1182140;1435709703;asciilifeform;so it turns out that i spoke too soon: 1182141;1435709726;asciilifeform;some time near after 208000, a block is rejected! 1182142;1435709770;asciilifeform;re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182007 1182143;1435709770;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 20:01:39; ascii_field: for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4 1182144;1435709781;asciilifeform;presently running the entire experiment again, to verify 1182145;1435709806;asciilifeform;the best-case scenario is that this is a 'cosmic ray' 1182146;1435709815;asciilifeform;thing was running on a portable, in a knapsack, in a car... 1182147;1435709832;mod6;will this have any impact on the hashes that are posted here? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz 1182148;1435709874;asciilifeform;will run those again also 1182149;1435709884;asciilifeform;on the output of the present 'eat' 1182150;1435709898;mod6;ok cool 1182151;1435709912;asciilifeform;it'll be hilarious if we're hitting the limits of non-ecc ram or the like 1182152;1435709982;asciilifeform;sha256(blk0001.dat) for this run: 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a 1182153;1435709989;asciilifeform;(same as for all my synced 0.5.3's) 1182154;1435709997;BingoBoingo;http://www.bitpixr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/image27.jpg << "Fart Rape" 1182155;1435709999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHN570 ) 1182156;1435710007;asciilifeform;if anyone can remember what blocks fit in there, please post 1182157;1435710062;mats;http://nytimes.com/2015/06/30/opinion/the-supreme-courts-lonely-hearts-club.html 1182158;1435710065;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHNaHN ) 1182159;1435710162;trinque;BingoBoingo: bahaha fart rape 1182160;1435710166;mats;http://www.indieshuffle.com/lewis-del-mar-loud-y 1182161;1435710168;assbot;[LISTEN] Lewis Del Mar - Loud(y) :: Indie Shuffle ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHNiqG ) 1182162;1435710318;mod6;i have 3 full-sync'd chains from between January and March, all have the same blk0001.dat hash: sha256sum blk0001.dat \ 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat 1182163;1435710343;trinque;BingoBoingo: I thought it was gonna be somebody being face-sat 1182164;1435710504;asciilifeform;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545 1182165;1435710515;asciilifeform;^ he got 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a as well 1182166;1435710530;asciilifeform;claims 188529 blocks 1182167;1435710534;*;asciilifeform has not verified the latter 1182168;1435710638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^^^^ 1182169;1435711142;*;asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear 1182170;1435711160;asciilifeform;'is it my instruments? lsd in the water?' 1182171;1435711223;asciilifeform;~3 hours from now, will know... 1182172;1435711250;asciilifeform;and this is just about my copy, not even starting with mircea_popescu's 1182173;1435711416;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear << We've outgrown everything but Z80+ECC and somehow that is too slow 1182174;1435711429;asciilifeform;z80 never supported ecc 1182175;1435711454;asciilifeform;(technically, one ~could~ retrofit it, with some glue logic) 1182176;1435711606;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181921 << the experiment in question, for anyone who missed 1182177;1435711606;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 19:12:49; ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works 1182178;1435711695;asciilifeform;the only thing i'm pretty sure of at this point is that nothing peculiar happened - at least on this machine - through block 188529. 1182179;1435711730;asciilifeform;(checksum spoken of earlier agrees with every copy of blk0001 i've been able to locate, other than the one cited by mircea_popescu) 1182180;1435711876;phf;is it possibly non-determenism from a dozen or so places where size_t is read into int? 1182181;1435711908;asciilifeform;phf: it is difficult to rule anything out at this point 1182182;1435711934;asciilifeform;one might naively imagine that obvious bugs cirta '12 will not turn up today 1182183;1435711939;asciilifeform;but devil only knows 1182184;1435711951;asciilifeform;*circa 1182185;1435712085;asciilifeform;original purpose of this experiment was to gather 'pmap -XX ' stats for plotting 1182186;1435712105;asciilifeform;it did not even occur to me that the 'eater' might barf 1182187;1435712161;asciilifeform;i set it up earlier today and mostly forgot about it 1182188;1435712213;asciilifeform;(recall, in a 'bastard-free' bitcoind - which is what i have - no block can be 'eaten' unless it squarely agrees with its immediate antecedent block) 1182189;1435712271;asciilifeform;in the 'longest chain' sense 1182190;1435712379;*;asciilifeform is trying and failing to think of a benign explanation for the anomaly 1182191;1435712442;phf;right, eatblock/dumpblock lets you construct any arbitrary correct chain, block by block, including the known blockchain, in a fully deterministic way. seem like important building blocks of proper engineering. 1182192;1435712484;asciilifeform;phf: why these were absent from the original bitcoin is still an enigma to me 1182193;1435712488;*;shinohai applauds 1182194;1435713257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00046004 = 13.3642 BTC [-] 1182195;1435713464;*;BingoBoingo would really like box powered by 3GHz Z80 with ecc and 64 bit address space bolted on 1182196;1435713816;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1307/4681642407_3537daf466_b.jpg 1182197;1435713817;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R35pDn ) 1182198;1435713867;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Exactly. That is one beautiful machine fulfilling its destiny to do REAL work. Not this pansy shit 'Murican pickup trucks do. 1182199;1435715360;decimation;asciilifeform: do you have the complete blockdump file? 1182200;1435716027;asciilifeform;of course 1182201;1435716084;decimation;can share? 1182202;1435716105;asciilifeform;will, once i find a place to drop these where i'm not paying per byte 1182203;1435716109;decimation;hehe 1182204;1435716113;decimation;how big is it? 1182205;1435716144;asciilifeform;the dataset in question - blocks pulled from mircea_popescu's node on the night of june 28-29 - is ~5.5GB 1182206;1435716178;asciilifeform;the sha512 checksums were posted earlier 1182207;1435716197;decimation;pity, that's a big too large for a cutout dropbox account 1182208;1435716199;asciilifeform;it should not be difficult to find out, right now, if you have the same blockchain 1182209;1435716208;decimation;good point. 1182210;1435716243;asciilifeform;if i replicate the anomaly, i will post the 'interesting' region 1182211;1435716288;asciilifeform;thing is just about past 177000 now 1182212;1435716298;asciilifeform;but the blocks are starting to get fatter there 1182213;1435716350;asciilifeform;the 'magic moment,' whatever its nature, happened well into blk0002 1182214;1435716499;decimation;?? block 2 is bad? 1182215;1435716523;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182166 1182216;1435716523;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 00:28:50; asciilifeform: claims 188529 blocks 1182217;1435716527;asciilifeform;^ in blk0001 1182218;1435716541;asciilifeform;blk0002 - a certain number, certainly smaller, after that 1182219;1435716551;decimation;oh you mean the bdb files? 1182220;1435716553;asciilifeform;aha 1182221;1435716559;decimation;interesting. 1182222;1435716560;asciilifeform;these aren't bdb though! 1182223;1435716563;asciilifeform;they're raw blocks 1182224;1435716569;asciilifeform;bdb only stores indices 1182225;1435716577;asciilifeform;which are derived from blocks 1182226;1435716585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu made same mistake earlier 1182227;1435716612;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182036 << see thread 1182228;1435716612;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 20:26:24; ascii_field: these aren't bdb files! 1182229;1435716630;asciilifeform;this is an important point 1182230;1435716649;asciilifeform;they have nothing to do with bdb and should not vary at all (once they reach full size, ~2GB) between nodes 1182231;1435716704;asciilifeform;(well, certainly not after longest-chain is established) 1182232;1435716882;decimation;lol he dumps to disk directly 1182233;1435716892;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0932 << required reading 1182234;1435716893;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrxIEC ) 1182235;1435716913;decimation;yeah I was looking at that 1182236;1435716955;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0643 << and. 1182237;1435716956;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jry6TC ) 1182238;1435717105;decimation;what does he use the database for then? faster lookup? 1182239;1435717119;asciilifeform;aha 1182240;1435717126;asciilifeform;otherwise you'd have O(N) 1182241;1435717145;asciilifeform;same reason anybody uses a db for anything.. 1182242;1435717178;decimation;yeah, but why also save flat file 1182243;1435717231;asciilifeform;because ultimately it is the canonical blockchain. 1182244;1435717247;decimation;7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat 1182245;1435717251;decimation;same as yours 1182246;1435717296;asciilifeform;well, anomaly didn't happen in that one 1182247;1435717301;asciilifeform;(except possibly on mircea_popescu's box...) 1182248;1435717306;decimation;796f65be10ef2e5fc27b97b09f312c9f8ddd7d1c3ab0f27f356a5b1dbf5a8963 blk0002.dat 1182249;1435717326;decimation;these were made with your thermonuke patch 1182250;1435717387;asciilifeform;^ is the same on the ~original~ (that is, received on that night from mircea_popescu) copy 1182251;1435717428;decimation;okay, that's good I guess 1182252;1435717443;decimation;what happens at block 188529 1182253;1435717505;mod6;all three of my chains from Jan-Mar 2015 have: 796f65be10ef2e5fc27b97b09f312c9f8ddd7d1c3ab0f27f356a5b1dbf5a8963 blk0002.dat 1182254;1435717721;decimation;blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat have the same size as this thread (at the bottom) https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545/ 1182255;1435717725;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=5 (ptpt52; Chen Minqiang's Personal Signing Key; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; Chen Minqiang (The only way out is through) ; ) 1182256;1435717727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS ) 1182257;1435717758;decimation;2097361271 blk0001.dat 2097295438 blk0002.dat 1182258;1435717776;decimation;heh 1182259;1435717827;mod6;104fca0e11fa866172414852b6e6ead095926eb7a283dc3169420a17e6b87cfb blk0003.dat 1182260;1435717866;decimation;my blk3 differs 1182261;1435717874;decimation;from that thread I mean 1182262;1435717915;decimation;^my blk3 matches mod6's 1182263;1435717980;BingoBoingo;lobbes: I'm liking you bot 1182264;1435718263;mod6;0856eedd40c7f5a1d78aec7480dc9861c2e0354aae75b72613aaffcf606a99ef blk0004.dat 1182265;1435718598;mod6;lol, im now doing 5-16 on all three chains at the same time: 02:42:27 up 2 days, 3:32, 5 users, load average: 2.88, 1.48, 0.71 1182266;1435718659;mod6;93e2d9ee02bf3fdd68d7809e353cec3bca93e54d3c382a286093ac6666c21ce3 blk0005.dat 1182267;1435718854;mod6;853a817eb6b644d3a75d0954c723f23e0d23fa6ec143e3cdc23a774c59c710ad blk0006.dat 1182268;1435718901;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182019 << uhoh 1182269;1435718901;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt 1182270;1435718936;mod6;e287f88803660c5f9fd99e9cdfcc5d7e4c38da953652efbbd2382f64441dba7c blk0007.dat 1182271;1435718991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00045477 = 16.781 BTC [-] {2} 1182272;1435719014;asciilifeform;^ not a single one of these lines up with mircea_popescu's 1182273;1435719014;mod6;yeah, i don't have any of those. 1182274;1435719045;decimation;^ mine match them all 1182275;1435719052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00045013 = 3.2409 BTC [-] 1182276;1435719054;mod6;mine were sync'd with some pre-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE [ v0.5.3 + some patches ], sync'd the old way from irc. 1182277;1435719074;mod6;*seeded via irc 1182278;1435719077;decimation;I'm afraid it's gonna take going over with a fine-tooth comb 1182279;1435719084;asciilifeform;now my current understanding is that mircea_popescu has an excuse: 1182280;1435719092;mod6;decimation: yours match mine, or mp's lis? 1182281;1435719093;mod6;*list 1182282;1435719112;decimation;matches yours 1182283;1435719113;asciilifeform;if his blk** are ~original~ - as in, they were formed ~as the blocks happened~ - they can contain orphaned (in the traditional sense) blocks 1182284;1435719121;decimation;yeah that's true 1182285;1435719130;asciilifeform;but any subsequent sync against his node is expected to match the canonicals. 1182286;1435719134;decimation;gonna have to 'reingest' them to sort them out 1182287;1435719182;asciilifeform;notice that there is no mechanism in bitcoind for ~erasing~ anything from the raw block files. 1182288;1435719265;mod6;huh, now i have one chain that has 2 that match and one that differs: f7ab989febce649e49f8373f1c5a5fbd44008dd21eaf16ce0d1b73e1070421f0 blk0008.dat && b1d0da3ff6b2b2d6da096f06cf7359ca98e08490ab61202f94468587f51aaee5 blk0008.dat 1182289;1435719270;decimation;no, but you could antimate a node, peer with it, force it to shit out 1182290;1435719306;asciilifeform;mod6: differs ~while being complete~ ? 1182291;1435719309;mod6;and all 3 of my blk0009.dat's do not match 1182292;1435719319;asciilifeform;that is, the differing files are followed by another ? 1182293;1435719335;asciilifeform;(because if sync is not complete, then naturally last blk**** will differ) 1182294;1435719369;decimation;yeah if it's the last file, it's incomplete 1182295;1435719373;asciilifeform;aha 1182296;1435719379;mod6;these were fully sync'd up to ~320`000 blocks or so. they were shutdown after full sync was achieved. each goes upto like blk0017.dat 1182297;1435719421;mod6;fa97f9f51bd130758910563ad7976014736b8b8ec021ed9f5dbc3c4b87d3703a blk0009.dat | 2f7acbd7b5603a845a5d380ffb6ff3be051ab8b192ae143b0916a07564d5cbc5 blk0009.dat | 1631edac873633135b9eb9b8214d6d2b30d708d00ec4dd1db6a9bf09f384551b blk0009.dat 1182298;1435719438;decimation;mine stops at blk0008.dat 1182299;1435719460;mod6;on a fully sync'd node? 1182300;1435719506;mod6;whats the full size of your blockchain? mine's like ... ~38Gb 1182301;1435719569;mod6;82397e804874de4709faa07515f6bedbeaa4b1cdc49846b96742bba925bad1cb blk0010.dat | d2bf09e41b6177d6f44a5b7983954c647ac2c983ac39af2e159261e8737f4662 blk0010.dat | baa5bbcdb388d707398d00de95df8d3c5d98d716842d1eea7ea51f3d4ed40695 blk0010.dat 1182302;1435719595;mod6;seems to diverge for me starting with blk0008.dat 1182303;1435719759;asciilifeform;8d8c80c9677d59856eb3ebb2e9d87ff2bc4cd416f02ae6d4d925e031fffb82e1 blk0001.dat 1182304;1435719759;asciilifeform;ebbeef1641ca8b921652577f4917ad2f7391cb5067b7857819ed4a5fb4a35091 blk0002.dat 1182305;1435719759;asciilifeform;c125ab7cbdf64b9d14c26adcc7638b2e7a62879cdd64a8897bbdb494360162569 blk0003.dat 1182306;1435719768;asciilifeform;^^^ from my box circa 2013 ! 1182307;1435719795;mod6;huh. yours dont match ours or mps 1182308;1435719799;asciilifeform;with ecc ram, no less 1182309;1435719803;asciilifeform;and raid5 1182310;1435719828;asciilifeform;(the latter with nightly parity checks!) 1182311;1435719913;decimation;with orphans? 1182312;1435719921;asciilifeform;almost certainly 1182313;1435719933;asciilifeform;(for the same reason as mircea_popescu's) 1182314;1435719956;asciilifeform;they were moved from an earlier disk, where the thing was going from late 2010 1182315;1435719958;asciilifeform;iirc 1182316;1435720249;*;asciilifeform observes that the 'eater' has completed blk0001 1182317;1435720259;asciilifeform;is presently past 189070 1182318;1435720266;asciilifeform;anomaly has not recurred yet 1182319;1435720272;asciilifeform;(but is not expected for a while) 1182320;1435720321;asciilifeform;sha256(blk0001.dat) is equal to the expected value. 1182321;1435720328;asciilifeform;(on the 'eater' node) 1182322;1435720351;mod6;18704088cd8518a05e173648622bdc86e695e6e551a9e669179dd26b4e40aab5 blk0011.dat | 18704088cd8518a05e173648622bdc86e695e6e551a9e669179dd26b4e40aab5 blk0011.dat | c39eeb00ee4489722f82f53667a71584aa571913c6c0116017682ed508e5adcd blk0011.dat 1182323;1435720393;mod6;bdabb513c4ced2b592897757d1a137263f7d709a86040c41772288caea55fb14 blk0012.dat | bdabb513c4ced2b592897757d1a137263f7d709a86040c41772288caea55fb14 blk0012.dat | 7da33b5bc03fcba571b854172938f000a9d5241757f3b186de93da34ddcb889f blk0012.dat 1182324;1435720442;mod6;35069477afe178861ddfe9d686625801e20fcb66b89d87b4a2730925aefd20a0 blk0013.dat | 35069477afe178861ddfe9d686625801e20fcb66b89d87b4a2730925aefd20a0 blk0013.dat | 25def233a2fa1c177169c74789070dc08de127b8447c7ee0784a8735353a42f8 blk0013.dat 1182325;1435720456;asciilifeform;mod6: where are the 3rd items in these triples from ? 1182326;1435720464;asciilifeform;anything peculiar about that node ? 1182327;1435720535;mod6;0a7c6b1127af5f47afe3138eb206c736d8452256826d0c3e030c5cd8c289b6e6 blk0014.dat | fc6f19747098be62ccadffda61c7c302d57748e05d2de95f5ee226ac250c71e5 blk0014.dat | fc6f19747098be62ccadffda61c7c302d57748e05d2de95f5ee226ac250c71e5 blk0014.dat 1182328;1435720572;mod6;so one of them seems to be more screwed up than the others. but there were blocks like blk0009.dat & 10 where all were different. 1182329;1435720583;mod6;one was done in january, one in february, and one in march. 1182330;1435720602;mod6;january was pre SSL 1.0.1g 1182331;1435720617;asciilifeform;this is probably when i say that it will be necessary to walk the blocks. 1182332;1435720626;asciilifeform;and compare individual ones 1182333;1435720760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00046595 = 5.2652 BTC [+] 1182334;1435720903;mod6;yeah, totally agree. 1182335;1435720930;mod6;im suprised they diverged that much. 1182336;1435720955;mod6;i would have though with all the same version (pretty much) that they would have all been the same hashes. 1182337;1435720957;asciilifeform;~recent~ syncs diverging is almost certainly a product of enemy fire 1182338;1435720961;mod6;glad I looked at that 1182339;1435721004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64550 @ 0.00048971 = 31.6108 BTC [+] {3} 1182340;1435721018;decimation;yeah, gotta take it block by block 1182341;1435721157;decimation;the question is, how do we make a portable tool to suck blocks from bitcoin nodes? 1182342;1435721167;decimation;something that parses .dat files? 1182343;1435721184;asciilifeform;decimation: one way is what i'm doing 1182344;1435721186;asciilifeform;but it's a bit slow 1182345;1435721193;decimation;yes true 1182346;1435721195;asciilifeform;there is a python thing floating around, iirc 1182347;1435721197;asciilifeform;can try that. 1182348;1435721207;asciilifeform;alternatively, write own (format is pretty simple) 1182349;1435721214;mod6;yah, there's asciilifeform's way, and there's that python thing 1182350;1435721230;asciilifeform;alternatively wait for me, but i'm up to my ears in backlog of work 1182351;1435721337;asciilifeform;where the hell is mircea_popescu 1182352;1435721344;asciilifeform;at this rate, he's gonna miss ragnarok. 1182353;1435721401;asciilifeform;(then again, this ragnarok will still be there tomorrow..) 1182354;1435721529;phf;fwiw dumpblock is expensive, because walks blockchain in order. a "dumpdb" that iterates over mapBlockIndex and does ReadFromDisk/<< for each block might be a reasonably fast way to split .db into separate block files 1182355;1435721551;asciilifeform;phf: by far the simplest possible way is to simply walk the binary 1182356;1435721576;asciilifeform;iirc, it is [mainortestchainflag][length][blockdata] repeated again and again 1182357;1435721593;phf;oh, bah 1182358;1435721619;asciilifeform;consult the src (linked earlier in this thread) 1182359;1435721675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41750 @ 0.00049034 = 20.4717 BTC [+] 1182360;1435722132;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: What does 'enemy fire' mean? 1182361;1435722166;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: the details remain to be learned 1182362;1435722214;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: Why do you call it "enemy fire" and why are you certain it is that? 1182363;1435722256;asciilifeform;if you want certainty, you will have to wait. 1182364;1435722346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00049172 = 33.4861 BTC [+] {2} 1182365;1435722405;decimation;midnightmagic: what do you think it means 1182366;1435722463;asciilifeform;see also the sacramental http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-11-2014#932006 1182367;1435722463;assbot;Logged on 23-11-2014 05:22:35; kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no the question was did someone abuse the britneychain 1182368;1435722548;midnightmagic;decimation: I'm not sure. That's why I'm asking. 1182369;1435722558;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: I don't want certainty. I'm fine with wild speculation actually. 1182370;1435722601;asciilifeform;then go, speculate. 1182371;1435722678;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: Congratulations on making simple interaction so expensive. 1182372;1435722735;midnightmagic;.. for literally no gain. 1182373;1435722948;decimation;;;ticker 1182374;1435722950;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 261.77, Best ask: 261.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 261.78, 24 hour volume: 44409.17613371, 24 hour low: 258.0, 24 hour high: 269.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1182375;1435723092;BingoBoingo;midnightmagic: For tremendous gain 1182376;1435723119;asciilifeform;aha. 1182377;1435723120;BingoBoingo;midnightmagic: God is sitting this one out, All we have is math. 1182378;1435723434;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so which obscure german academic is going to have 'known about this for a year' ? same fella as they trotted out for phuctor ? 1182379;1435723437;asciilifeform;or different one. 1182380;1435723464;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They'll pull out another. They can invent new ones when they run out. 1182381;1435723501;asciilifeform;poor overworked philippinos 1182382;1435723518;asciilifeform;thought they were signing up for a quiet life of sending viagra spam 1182383;1435723576;BingoBoingo;Indeed, all they wanted was to spam boner pills and invent people for FakeBook profiles 1182384;1435723727;asciilifeform;197380+, counting 1182385;1435723734;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/fuckeveryword/status/616093901401686017 1182386;1435723736;asciilifeform;eater - still eating 1182387;1435723756;danielpbarron;30 link clicks and counting.. 1182388;1435723848;midnightmagic;well. be sure to post your 'wow' signal somewhere prominent when you find it. 1182389;1435723855;asciilifeform;it'll be right here. 1182390;1435723957;decimation;lolz http://blog.samaltman.com/energy < sam altman has a great new startup idea (YC certified): nuclear fusion 1182391;1435723958;assbot;Energy - Sam Altman ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpwzyI ) 1182392;1435723993;asciilifeform;wake me up for the philosopher's stone startup 1182393;1435723998;decimation;heh 1182394;1435724033;decimation;asciilifeform: I shit you not: UPower: http://www.upowertech.com/ 1182395;1435724034;assbot;UPower Technologies, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpwL0V ) 1182396;1435724057;*;asciilifeform wonders how many modern charlatans would carry on business if the consequence of failure to deliver were molten lead down their throat, as it often was for alchemists 1182397;1435724060;decimation;and http://www.helionenergy.com/ < "By combining our years of experience in fusion, newly available electronics technologies, and a revolutionary design using cutting-edge physics, Helion is making a fusion engine 1,000 times smaller, over 500 times cheaper, and realizable 10 time faster than other projects." 1182398;1435724061;assbot; Helion Energy ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpwMC4 ) 1182399;1435724078;decimation;"this time it's even more realizable!!" 1182400;1435724084;asciilifeform;gotta love 'than other projects' part 1182401;1435724100;decimation;they are going the magnetic bottles route 1182402;1435724105;decimation;according to their infographic 1182403;1435724108;asciilifeform;'our perpetuum mobile is far more perpetual than that of other projects' 1182404;1435724112;trinque;ah man, I'll be able to bolt one of these to my emdrive and colonize mars 1182405;1435724120;decimation;and 10 times more realizable too! 1182406;1435724161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu correctly observed that perpetuum mobile is pretty much the only thing that could save the shitempire 1182407;1435724169;asciilifeform;and so expect it to become an obsession 1182408;1435724186;asciilifeform;qin shi huangdi's immortality pills. 1182409;1435724200;trinque;I will be so sad if a fusion breakthrough happens in the USA for that reason... 1182410;1435724221;decimation;http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/30/california-internet-outage/29521335/ 1182411;1435724221;assbot;FBI investigating 11 attacks on San Francisco-area Internet lines ... ( http://bit.ly/1IM47Tq ) 1182412;1435724231;asciilifeform;l0l 1182413;1435724239;asciilifeform;and they didn't even need a fusion-powered death ray, it seems 1182414;1435724261;trinque;ctrl-f "china" 1182415;1435724271;trinque;haven't blamed 'em yet 1182416;1435724273;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/20/the-immortality-financiers-the-billionaires-who-want-to-live-forever.html < larry ellison is literally demanding immortality pills 1182417;1435724275;assbot;The Immortality Financiers: The Billionaires Who Want to Live Forever - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1IM4cXi ) 1182418;1435724282;asciilifeform;there once was a time when usg cables were armoured in concrete tubes 1182419;1435724288;asciilifeform;and switch boxes - guarded 1182420;1435724313;asciilifeform;today they are in plastic pipes, and - unless belonging to cia/nsa in particular - marked with a bright orange public stake 1182421;1435724341;trinque;<< According to his biographer, Ellison sees death as “just another kind of corporate opponent he can outfox.” >> 1182422;1435724343;trinque;bahahahah 1182423;1435724346;asciilifeform;often the egress point, between the underground conduit and the switch box - is naked entirely 1182424;1435724356;trinque;culture of narcissists indeed 1182425;1435724367;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, because nobody gives a fuck 1182426;1435724386;asciilifeform;evidently ~somebody~ gave a fuck 1182427;1435724391;asciilifeform;a few hacks of axe's worth of fuck 1182428;1435724394;decimation;'they' have 'gotten away' with shit infrastructure for decades, why start now 1182429;1435724422;decimation;"Mark Peterson, a spokesman for Wave Broadband, said an unspecified number of Sacramento-area customers were knocked offline by the latest attack. He characterized the Tuesday attack as "coordinated" and said the company was working with Level 3 and Zayo to restore service." 1182430;1435724433;trinque;sci fi story idea: they claim to have invented the immortality treatment, is actually a procedure for implanting your mind control chip 1182431;1435724437;trinque;probably already done 100 times 1182432;1435724449;asciilifeform;trinque: ancient 1182433;1435724459;asciilifeform;!s dulap 1182434;1435724460;assbot;40 results for 'dulap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dulap 1182435;1435724463;asciilifeform;^ my personal favourite 1182436;1435724464;decimation;asciilifeform: let this be a wake up call, if you don't have your parachute ready... 1182437;1435724474;trinque;asciilifeform: cool 1182438;1435724504;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/romanian-bloggers-part-2 << mandatory 1182439;1435724505;assbot;Romanian bloggers, part 2 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IM4Kwt ) 1182440;1435724538;asciilifeform;And the Prince inquired, like all boys his age, upon finding out what The Ritual actually was : 1182441;1435724538;asciilifeform;- But do I actually have to cut off my cock and balls ?! Couldn't I just promise not to have kids and like, squirt outside ? 1182442;1435724538;asciilifeform;- It's a symbol, in the shitvi, explained his father, the King. You have to experience real loss to understand the importance of respecting the subterranean world and its rules. It's not easy to do. That's why when someone does it, he's considered truly an adult and counted with people. Until then his notions don't matter. I know what I say may seem absurd to you, but then again one day you'll be prepared, and willing to cut o 1182443;1435724539;asciilifeform;ff your cock and balls. That day you'll become a man. vii 1182444;1435724567;decimation;lol 1182445;1435724807;cazalla;wru deedbot 1182446;1435724809;phf;asciilifeform: blk format is magic 4 byte sequence (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1779), then int32 size, then cblock 1182447;1435724818;asciilifeform;aha 1182448;1435724827;asciilifeform;pretty much what i said earlier 1182449;1435724835;phf;yeap 1182450;1435724842;asciilifeform;btw, eater is still eating at 200158+ 1182451;1435724845;trinque;wat 1182452;1435724860;asciilifeform;not long now 1182453;1435724860;scoopbot_revived;Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2015 Statement http://qntra.net/2015/07/qntra-s-qntr-june-2015-statement/ 1182454;1435724860;*;trinque goes to beat deedbot with a wrench 1182455;1435724904;trinque;it thinks its connected on its end 1182456;1435724928;trinque;might be a fun common lisp weekend project to redo it in that 1182457;1435724935;trinque;I'm starting to dislike this golang bot 1182458;1435725034;trinque;cazalla: there he is if ya need it ^ 1182459;1435725046;cazalla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VBP07J.txt 1182460;1435725047;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpzkQI ) 1182461;1435725048;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1182462;1435725072;decimation;trinque: does he become 'netsplit'? 1182463;1435725095;trinque;decimation: I've seen that not handled well too, but this time he was just sitting there as if connected 1182464;1435725116;cazalla;tfw buying a deciduous tree in the winter and feel like i bought a stick for $20 lol (Hovenia dulcis if anyone cares as much) 1182465;1435725218;decimation;cazalla: I recently bought a new house, and I'm trying to figure out what trees I have 1182466;1435725226;decimation;I'm not sure if I have a walnut or mountain ash, for instance 1182467;1435725235;decimation;as Jesus says, you will know a tree by its fruit 1182468;1435725251;asciilifeform;201187+ 1182469;1435725253;cazalla;i've been buying em online, was a suss about that but all of em have turned up fine so far 1182470;1435725260;cazalla;a bit* even 1182471;1435725263;asciilifeform;i'm off to bed. will wake up to the boojum, if it appears. 1182472;1435725295;decimation;asciilifeform: 'night 1182473;1435725387;cazalla;decimation, walnut would be a bonus.. i want to get a few pine nut trees but can be up to 10 years before you get anything from it 1182474;1435725933;decimation;yeah, I agree, would be nice. Apparently the former owners let a weedy russian olive tree grow too 1182475;1435727302;trinque;speaking of which, the other weedy trees are legal here at midnight. 1182476;1435727415;BingoBoingo;Just avoid the black walnuts, Their culture kills everything around them 1182477;1435727836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00049302 = 25.6617 BTC [+] {3} 1182478;1435728263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59579 @ 0.00048228 = 28.7338 BTC [-] {3} 1182479;1435728426;ben_vulpes;trinque: waiwut? 1182480;1435728435;ben_vulpes;rly? 1182481;1435728447;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: heck of a find, brownie! 1182482;1435728489;*;ben_vulpes is unlikely to get dedicated testing time over the weekend 1182483;1435728590;ben_vulpes;escaping america day in canada 1182484;1435728651;mats;that's a confusing construction 1182485;1435728701;mats;i wondered if you had moved north 1182486;1435728747;ben_vulpes;eventually will 1182487;1435728760;ben_vulpes;population flows aren't hard to predict in this neck of the woods 1182488;1435728863;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: What about south or east? 1182489;1435728865;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this whole eatblock/dumpblock/compare hashes thing really is stellar 1182490;1435728902;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeh our renegade pot law goes into effect 1182491;1435728921;ben_vulpes;aha trinque well goodness me 1182492;1435728935;trinque;wont use the 10th amendment to piss in the NSA's cheerios, but we'll certainly use it for that! 1182493;1435728945;ben_vulpes;PISSS 1182494;1435729141;*;BingoBoingo just back from pissing on the runt rosebush, could use the nitrogen 1182495;1435729263;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve 1182496;1435729272;HeySteve;hey, thanks 1182497;1435729283;ben_vulpes;hey, seve 1182498;1435729286;ben_vulpes;fuck 1182499;1435729291;HeySteve;hi! 1182500;1435729302;ben_vulpes;how's it hangin? 1182501;1435729318;mats;heh, today's xkcd 1182502;1435729366;HeySteve;all good and your side, ben_vulpes? 1182503;1435729418;ben_vulpes;busy 1182504;1435729436;ben_vulpes;alf sez he has a boojum in the blockchain 1182505;1435729448;HeySteve;not that I've used their service but I've been reading about all the pushback Uber is getting around the world 1182506;1435729458;HeySteve;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-30/when-disruption-gets-too-disruptive 1182507;1435729459;assbot;When Disruption Gets Too Disruptive | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLDpt1 ) 1182508;1435729505;HeySteve;SA can be added to the list, lots of protests against Uber here. was wondering if there's a way to decentralise it... 1182509;1435729522;HeySteve;BitUber or something 1182510;1435729532;mats;lol 1182511;1435729760;HeySteve;Christine Walters, Johburg’s mayoral committee member for transport: "The city would like a South African flavour of black economic empowerment with Uber." - this sort of brain damage has taken over pretty much everything here 1182512;1435729813;mats;not everything can or should be decentralized 1182513;1435729827;mats;that's brain damage all on its own 1182514;1435729888;*;BingoBoingo kinda likes the parallel car systems 1182515;1435729947;mats;lyft was weird 1182516;1435729978;mats;driver insisted i sit in front, fist bump him, and talk the whole trip 1182517;1435729995;mats;deleted the app after i finished my free ride 1182518;1435730019;HeySteve;mats, I hear you 1182519;1435730039;HeySteve;but this is a case where it makes sense 1182520;1435730208;*;BingoBoingo owns plastic car for this reason. 1182521;1435730211;ben_vulpes;robot cars when 1182522;1435730218;HeySteve;so app that handles escrow of fare, oracle uses GPS to verify destination was reached within a certain time, that's it... right? 1182523;1435730240;ben_vulpes;i want to be able to put 5 million down on a fleet of robot cars and wreck an industry or 5 1182524;1435730247;ben_vulpes;trucks, whatever 1182525;1435730262;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Fuck robot cars. I like pointing my deadly road machine where I like. 1182526;1435730263;ben_vulpes;starting with cabs 1182527;1435730276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23619 @ 0.00046607 = 11.0081 BTC [-] 1182528;1435730285;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i dream of a world where the insurance to drive your own ass around is prohibitive for all but the ultra-rich 1182529;1435730321;ben_vulpes;stop burning all the fucking oil to get your dumb asses around! 1182530;1435730346;ben_vulpes;i'm speshul tho. i'm cool and i get to drive my car as much as i want :P 1182531;1435730393;BingoBoingo;Nah, insurance should be cheap. Getting insurance though should be hard through other means. 1182532;1435730399;mats;you gonna decentralize vehicle inspections, background checks, accounting, driver recruitment, commercial insurance, too? 1182533;1435730438;HeySteve;eh, sounds like a lot of unecessary paperwork to me 1182534;1435730441;ben_vulpes;no, i'm just going to put everyone involved with the piloting of vehicles out of work 1182535;1435730443;HeySteve;rep system ftw 1182536;1435730451;mats;... 1182537;1435730463;HeySteve;you worry too much, mats 1182538;1435730483;ben_vulpes;!b 2 1182539;1435730484;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TDGYCX.txt ) 1182540;1435730493;ben_vulpes;it's a hazard of the dude's occupation. 1182541;1435730570;HeySteve;ok but the big picture here is it'll give all the regulatory types a fit 1182542;1435730641;mats;and nobody will care after a dozen women disappear after their last known position was inside one of your cars 1182543;1435730684;ben_vulpes;dude video cameras 1182544;1435730688;ben_vulpes;embrace the surveillance state 1182545;1435730697;ben_vulpes;bezzle up! 1182546;1435730705;HeySteve;driver will get bad rep after first abduction, so doubt he'll make it to a dozen unless he changes nick and car 1182547;1435730711;ben_vulpes;WHAT DRIVER 1182548;1435730717;mats;oh right, we can decentralize the video feed too 1182549;1435730722;HeySteve;sorry, I mean the driverbot 1182550;1435730744;ben_vulpes;decentralize nothing 1182551;1435730748;ben_vulpes;own vehicles, record video 1182552;1435730770;BingoBoingo; it's a hazard of the dude's occupation. << No, it is a Hazzard, for a certain sort of Duke 1182553;1435730784;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ba-dump-psh 1182554;1435730787;HeySteve;lol 1182555;1435730828;mats;excellent troll 1182556;1435730833;mats;i concede 1182557;1435730845;ben_vulpes;what troll 1182558;1435730854;ben_vulpes;i'm going to buy a bunch of goddamn trucks. 1182559;1435730929;BingoBoingo; embrace the surveillance state << I may or may not have around 2009 driven a VIP across county and or state lines because they did not want their travel recorded. 1182560;1435730978;mats;am still amused by folks saying 'well it would be weird if uber wasn't spending tons to expand' after seeing term sheet 1182561;1435731014;mats;like its normal to run a half billion dollar net loss in a low margin low moat industry 1182562;1435731062;mats;would sure like to meet these folks at a poker table 1182563;1435731138;BingoBoingo; would sure like to meet these folks at a poker table << Honestly I'd just like to meet them at a bar or the pony track jsut to cycle the games they bleed through, because these colors don't run http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg 1182564;1435731139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLH368 ) 1182565;1435731185;*;funkenstein_ prefers decentralized hitchhiking 1182566;1435731219;HeySteve;el confedejito 1182567;1435731245;BingoBoingo; el confedejito << Indeed. Should have taken Mexico First 1182568;1435731275;funkenstein_;BingoBoingo, something about that rabbit makes me think it is about to dunk on a regulation basket 1182569;1435731304;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Not my rabbit, inquire with Chief edditoriador cazalla 1182570;1435731313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00047469 = 4.0823 BTC [+] 1182571;1435731341;trinque;ben_vulpes: so like... https://github.com/omcljs/ambly/wiki/ClojureScript-React-Native-Quick-Start 1182572;1435731343;assbot;ClojureScript React Native Quick Start · omcljs/ambly Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLHmOk ) 1182573;1435731379;cazalla;BingoBoingo, perhaps Chef would be the appropriate word? :P 1182574;1435731389;BingoBoingo;lol 1182575;1435731486;ben_vulpes; like its normal to run a half billion dollar net loss in a low margin low moat industry << normal american stock ponzi in action 1182576;1435731498;ben_vulpes;should be legal! let the chumps get chumped. 1182577;1435731540;ben_vulpes;trinque: you probly want reagent if it isn't rotting in place 1182578;1435731573;funkenstein_;blockchain getting hammered today, what is going on? 1182579;1435731592;ben_vulpes;trinque: i haven't done clj->js in 5-10 months, so everything i know is probably stale 1182580;1435731596;ben_vulpes;funkenstein_: "hammered"? 1182581;1435731615;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah you can use reagent in this manner 1182582;1435731624;funkenstein_;like, ddosed 1182583;1435731639;trinque;wanted to know if the native thing would eat clojurescript, in case I end up having to use it 1182584;1435731680;BingoBoingo; like, ddosed << No, "Stress Tested" which means showing how great present anti-spam limit is because spammers 1182585;1435731693;*;ben_vulpes goes to read trinque's thing 1182586;1435731731;ben_vulpes;oh naaaaitve 1182587;1435731744;ben_vulpes;trinque: long day 1182588;1435731851;ben_vulpes;good god man there are so many layers in that thing 1182589;1435731863;trinque;I know right? such complexity mountain 1182590;1435731887;ben_vulpes;i'm starting to wonder of 'clojure all the things' isn't a poettering-smell 1182591;1435731890;ben_vulpes;if 1182592;1435731910;trinque;of course it is 1182593;1435731917;trinque;and in this case there's a browser underneath 1182594;1435731926;trinque;so I'm not about to start preferring a particular flavor of shit 1182595;1435731928;trinque;:D 1182596;1435732045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7981 @ 0.000467 = 3.7271 BTC [-] 1182597;1435732139;ben_vulpes;it just takes the "duct tape the jet fighter to the submarine" mindset to a revolting degree 1182598;1435732149;ben_vulpes;and i say that as a guy who duct tapes jet fighters to submarines 1182599;1435732161;trinque;big time 1182600;1435732168;ben_vulpes;(to deliver a pair of socks that nobody asked for) 1182601;1435732173;trinque;hopefully this webassembly thing takes some pain out, but I'm sure it'll be a while on that 1182602;1435732178;ben_vulpes;(that arrive wet) 1182603;1435732181;trinque;haha 1182604;1435732208;ben_vulpes;(because "'we'll iterate on it, instead of asking the engineers") 1182605;1435732225;ben_vulpes;webasm huh? 1182606;1435732238;ben_vulpes;can that be a common lisp runtime? 1182607;1435732321;funkenstein_;well if TX channels do break, it is eventually the resonsibility of the spender to get the TX to a pool - using external channel 1182608;1435732335;ben_vulpes;sharp lisper might be able to sell software in that space. 1182609;1435732340;trinque;ben_vulpes: that's what I would like 1182610;1435732349;trinque;I've looked around for a common lisp on llvm, as that's what farts into webasm 1182611;1435732356;trinque;haven't found anything that looked like a good decision 1182612;1435732361;trinque;but maybe one's called for now 1182613;1435732441;ben_vulpes;di i still have to fuck with the dom in webasm? 1182614;1435732649;trinque;ben_vulpes: as I understand it, this is like... emscripten bytecode 1182615;1435732658;trinque;emscripten has an API to poke the DOM I think 1182616;1435732679;trinque;dunno whether you also get a lower level graphics api 1182617;1435732797;ben_vulpes;i'm uninterested in anything new that touches the dom 1182618;1435732847;ben_vulpes;but i'm a reluctant frontend guy to begin with. 1182619;1435732882;BingoBoingo;Seriously we need to storm an intel fab/fap and start pumping out Z80++/MIPS/and Scheme79 chips 1182620;1435732891;ben_vulpes;we'll be writing swift and javascript's successors until linus goes insane while still at the helm 1182621;1435732918;ben_vulpes;and the whole thing implodes 1182622;1435732924;BingoBoingo;I dunno swift and javascript need successors 1182623;1435732950;ben_vulpes;objc/dom tech, BingoBoingo 1182624;1435732958;ben_vulpes;java too likely 1182625;1435732975;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Do you really need those things? Or do you merely want them? 1182626;1435733018;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform would love to sleep forever, i would like to program in lisp all day 1182627;1435733045;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: what is the casing of an oil well made of? 1182628;1435733087;BingoBoingo;Steel. Because the well runs dry before it corrodes 1182629;1435733116;ben_vulpes;'tis a messy business. men lose hands, minds and lives. 1182630;1435733159;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1182631;1435733170;ben_vulpes;hands to the keyboard, minds to VN, lives to the altar of technology. 1182632;1435733224;BingoBoingo;Kill it with fire. We're already stuck with Boost 1182633;1435733249;*;ben_vulpes to bed, and tomorrow's blocknews 1182634;1435733265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3333 @ 0.00046535 = 1.551 BTC [-] 1182635;1435733664;BingoBoingo;lol at skills now "rare" http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33291036 1182636;1435733665;assbot;Computer museum seeks BBC Micro fixers - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLNjLa ) 1182637;1435734180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2386 @ 0.00046535 = 1.1103 BTC [-] 1182638;1435737779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00048352 = 8.099 BTC [+] 1182639;1435738206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52000 @ 0.00049524 = 25.7525 BTC [+] {2} 1182640;1435738633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00049585 = 20.1315 BTC [+] {3} 1182641;1435738697;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Plox pm me when you have a spare 3 minutes, gracias. 1182642;1435738697;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1182643;1435738762;BingoBoingo;shinohai jurov: Either of you find the set of electrum-server bitcoind patches? I'm running into some serious memory hole here. 1182644;1435738793;shinohai;I haven't yet BingoBoingo but have the same issue :/ 1182645;1435738816;shinohai;I need to hop over to their chan and try to catch someone online I guess. 1182646;1435738827;BingoBoingo;Fucking electrum-server github doesn't have any releases or milestones tagged 1182647;1435738880;*;BingoBoingo hates both Github and "rolling release" 1182648;1435738952;BingoBoingo;Even wikipedos save all historical states on those pages 1182649;1435738959;shinohai;Lol I probably would have gave up on that project for a while if you hadn't mentioned it. 1182650;1435738974;shinohai;So it piqued my interest. 1182651;1435739065;*;BingoBoingo this fall wants to be able to run a Foundation bitcoin release powering an electrum server with 200-500 connections. 1182652;1435739095;BingoBoingo;The electrum server being private and serving IRL known persons 1182653;1435739155;shinohai;That is what I was thinking, since you can connect only to a specific server 1182654;1435739222;BingoBoingo;Would also be nice if I could derp some authentication onto the electrum service. 1182655;1435739301;BingoBoingo;Also... "Ted 2" not so bad 1182656;1435739386;shinohai;Damn rt printed that damn story too: http://rt.com/usa/270550-bitcoin-energy-hog-critics/ 1182657;1435739386;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQf1Wk ) 1182658;1435739547;HeySteve;goddamn retards, did they factor in the energy cost of all the VISA execs driving to and from work, just for starters? 1182659;1435739571;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: Or Visa employing all those call center HamPlanets 1182660;1435739792;HeySteve;heh 1182661;1435739806;HeySteve;I wonder how much energy it takes to produce a credit card 1182662;1435739978;HeySteve;Krugman moaned about the energy costs too, not sure who came up with this nonsense originally but that was at least a year ago 1182663;1435740133;mats;zzz 1182664;1435740136;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/sOJr4Bv.jpg 1182665;1435740136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f03Vcn ) 1182666;1435741345;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: It takes a fuckton of calories of oil to stamp a plastic card indeed 1182667;1435741355;BingoBoingo;Not to mention the dyes 1182668;1435741773;funkenstein_;;;later tell copypaste please test coin-vote.com again, improved 1182669;1435741775;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1182670;1435742354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43034 @ 0.00049889 = 21.4692 BTC [+] 1182671;1435742945;HeySteve;https://medium.com/@FavorableCarry/relax-about-bitcoin-electricity-use-1ca2446ae5ab 1182672;1435742947;assbot;Relax About Bitcoin Electricity Use — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu402x ) 1182673;1435743091;BingoBoingo;"Bring it On" (2000) >> Best movie on USA racial relations in the 21st century 1182674;1435743600;cazalla;ya really got a thing for those black chicks eh :P 1182675;1435743870;BingoBoingo;Nah, narrative arc goes Whitey steals from Blackie, blackie gets angry but restrained by their better angels, blackie wins 1182676;1435743879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56850 @ 0.00050725 = 28.8372 BTC [+] {3} 1182677;1435743980;cazalla;i remember the trailer but never saw the movie, tbh i would assume the white girls win 1182678;1435744083;BingoBoingo;Watching atm following asciilifeform's earlier "Mean Girls" reccomendation 1182679;1435744090;cazalla;and if memory serves, i think this is the 2nd or 3rd time you've mentioned the movie so is it a personal fav? 1182680;1435744227;*;BingoBoingo just following reccomendations of his betters 1182681;1435744420;BingoBoingo;Also, the rare black chicks that aren't HamPlanets 1182682;1435745096;BingoBoingo;Also total shitlord movie: "Everyone eat half" 1182683;1435745171;BingoBoingo;"Fat people are harder to throw" 1182684;1435745934;mats;http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373008.htm 1182685;1435745935;assbot;China's top legislature ratifies BRICS bank agreement - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1eiuVTf ) 1182686;1435746086;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ya got a veg garden going with tomatoes or anything this summer? 1182687;1435746409;BingoBoingo;Mostly zucchini so far 1182688;1435746453;mats;http://s3.eurecom.fr/docs/dimva15_clementine.pdf << ' Cross-Cores Cache Covert Channel' 1182689;1435746455;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7kH9j ) 1182690;1435746717;cazalla;hmm, got a new warning http://i.imgur.com/66dgj00.png 1182691;1435746718;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7ljf9 ) 1182692;1435747295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00050185 = 16.8622 BTC [-] {2} 1182693;1435747692;mats;http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/grace/397064 1182694;1435747694;assbot;Obama's ‘Amazing Grace’ - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1eiyqcp ) 1182695;1435747927;mats;what an amazing piece of spin wrapped in love and grace 1182696;1435747927;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1182697;1435747939;mats;A+ 1182698;1435748393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00051346 = 27.2134 BTC [+] 1182699;1435748774;shinohai;@ cazalla what version did u get that warning with? http://i.imgur.com/66dgj00.png 1182700;1435748775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eizXzo ) 1182701;1435748882;cazalla;shinohai, 0.8.3 1182702;1435748980;shinohai;Oh ok, so the war drums are beating xD 1182703;1435749073;cazalla;i usually get the "warning: display tx may not be current, u need to update your shit or other nodes need to" one 1182704;1435749108;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/Me2lpYR.jpg 1182705;1435749109;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwG8x4 ) 1182706;1435749674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19626 @ 0.00049754 = 9.7647 BTC [-] 1182707;1435750588;punkman;;;ticker 1182708;1435750589;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.66, Best ask: 256.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 256.66, 24 hour volume: 31835.3990557, 24 hour low: 252.77, 24 hour high: 269.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1182709;1435750734;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/politics/fisa-surveillance-court-rules-nsa-can-resume-bulk-data-collection.html?_r=0 1182710;1435750737;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYUqmH ) 1182711;1435751536;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/DF17gFE.jpg 1182712;1435751537;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYWZoI ) 1182713;1435751870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00048188 = 19.5161 BTC [-] {2} 1182714;1435751922;shinohai;lol @ dat pic 1182715;1435752015;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jun/30/greece-capital-controls-confusion-foreign-transactions-credit-cards 1182716;1435752016;assbot;Greeks abroad have credit cards rejected amid confusion over capital controls | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYYnYw ) 1182717;1435752375;jurov;BingoBoingo: I suffered some hdd crashes and such patches were not backed up.. try looking into old revisions of readme 1182718;1435752387;jurov;on github 1182719;1435752419;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anomaly from last night ~wasn't~ replicated. eater successfully ate blocks through 217336 (shat the day before using 'dumpblock' from earlier sync with mircea_popescu's node) 1182720;1435752462;asciilifeform;not sure what to blame other than ram fault (experiment was taking place on a portable with non-ecc ram) 1182721;1435753721;mod6;thx for the update asciilifeform 1182722;1435754127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64630 @ 0.00050999 = 32.9607 BTC [+] {2} 1182723;1435756445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11704 @ 0.00048476 = 5.6736 BTC [-] 1182724;1435756723;punkman;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10115832/Chinese-farmer-jailed-for-making-a-rubber-alien.html 1182725;1435756724;assbot;Chinese farmer jailed for making a rubber alien - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1BY6Agv ) 1182726;1435757205;asciilifeform;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/11709753/Teenage-girl-with-toilet-phobia-dies-from-heart-attack-after-going-eight-weeks-without-using-loo.html << from earlier link 1182727;1435757206;assbot;Teenage girl with toilet phobia dies from heart attack after going eight weeks without using loo - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxgiea ) 1182728;1435757787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00048071 = 12.835 BTC [-] 1182729;1435757848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00047801 = 37.1414 BTC [-] {3} 1182730;1435758196;shinohai;"would frequently withhold her stools" 1182731;1435759312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00047487 = 24.0284 BTC [-] 1182732;1435759710;jurov;kek https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437 and related http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-August/022575.html 1182733;1435759712;assbot;timeX.google.com provide non standard time · Issue #437 · systemd/systemd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxolrp ) 1182734;1435759713;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxok6P ) 1182735;1435759767;jurov;"No. We don't add configuration options for a thousand different things. This is really not something I want to see in systemd upstream." 1182736;1435759838;jurov;(poettering) 1182737;1435759975;jurov;gavin should ask him to add bitcoin-nxt to systemd. i'm sure reddit would be euphoric beyond measure on that 1182738;1435759983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4596 @ 0.00048476 = 2.228 BTC [+] 1182739;1435760164;jurov;incredible, these lennards contortions "but we are not vendor, systemd is not a product" 1182740;1435761214;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! 1182741;1435761223;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html 1182742;1435761224;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxt8sZ ) 1182743;1435761229;asciilifeform;'Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots.' 1182744;1435761353;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/pss_2f32fc9570f505a65c46b118c415cae70d57d757.png << probably the figure of interest to most folks here 1182745;1435761353;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtuQd ) 1182746;1435761388;asciilifeform;note that the entire shebang is includes 1182747;1435761403;asciilifeform;(e.g., the pmap output processor, the gnuplot script) 1182748;1435761421;asciilifeform;also note that plots of figures which remained constant throughout the run were omitted. 1182749;1435761467;jurov;asciilifeform: iirc you wanted me to remove attachment size limit, what do you plan to send? 1182750;1435761498;asciilifeform;jurov: the other day, i tried to send these: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180989 1182751;1435761498;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 04:51:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig 1182752;1435761571;mod6;asciilifeform: nice charts. wd. 1182753;1435761579;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6: feel free to use the figures on your blog. they are rather painful to view from ml 1182754;1435761592;asciilifeform;also i think i have included everything needed to replicate this experiment. 1182755;1435761644;jurov;such "multimedia" stuff is better to publish on blog 1182756;1435761678;asciilifeform;jurov: would it be painful to modify turdatron such that it displays images, in the same way as .txt ? 1182757;1435761732;jurov;not much, but i'm behind on more important stuff, like less painful sigs tracking 1182758;1435761739;asciilifeform;ok 1182759;1435761782;mircea_popescu;good morning assets! 1182760;1435761787;mircea_popescu;did i actually miss teh ragnarok ? 1182761;1435761791;asciilifeform;i have omitted any discussion of yesterday's anomaly from this article, because i was unable to replicate it 1182762;1435761804;asciilifeform;hence by the ancient 'pics or it didn't happen' theorem, it didn't happen... 1182763;1435761865;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell, it was an ~actual~ cosmic ray 1182764;1435761868;mircea_popescu;ima go through two days of logs over here, pray for me. 1182765;1435761886;asciilifeform;(well, technically single-bit errors in dram are normally from alpha decay of the materials of which the damn thing itself is made) 1182766;1435761920;mircea_popescu;!up SirJacket_ 1182767;1435761939;*;asciilifeform bbl, spending some time in wheeled coffin 1182768;1435761962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re teh seed : ima hopefully have it either working or a better idea of wtf is the problem in ~3-4 hoursd. 1182769;1435762056;mircea_popescu;but so far : i put the chain on new server, moved over binary to work it (hey, should work right ?). it sort-of worked but with weird errors. had to have the thing recompiled, which lead to indicating the chain being broken. except the chain checked out, up to the last block. turns out human error on the splicing of the chain copy, so the ul had to be redone (not all , but the index is large) 1182770;1435762062;mircea_popescu;and that brings us to the present. 1182771;1435762194;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << the one thing left loose is that AFTER such, rms is not saying, to me or to anyone, "hey, drepper moved to the dark side, glibc was forked". the last thing you'd expect rms to be indicted for would be an inclination to "make things work" and fold for convenience rather than stand for principle. nevertheless... 1182772;1435762194;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 20:38:44; ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering c 1182773;1435762199;mircea_popescu;weird how the world works. 1182774;1435762346;jurov;asciilifeform: limit raised to 64M (allows for ~ 50M attachments) 1182775;1435762409;mircea_popescu;"*BUT*: updating the C library is no trivial task and it is very easy to damage one's system. Therefore, persons who do not exactly know what to do, should consider using a binary distribution instead, when it becomes available." 1182776;1435762608;mats;http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/270137312/Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15 1182777;1435762610;assbot;Bitstamp Incident Report 2-20-15 ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxy9lp ) 1182778;1435762665;mats;can drop /mobile/ from the url without issue 1182779;1435762679;mircea_popescu;can drop scribd too ? 1182780;1435762692;scoopbot_revived;Eulora mini update, July 1st http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-mini-update-july-1st/ 1182781;1435762708;decimation;mats, asciilifeform, others: http://gcc.godbolt.org/#{%22version%22%3A3%2C%22filterAsm%22%3A{%22labels%22%3Atrue%2C%22directives%22%3Atrue%2C%22commentOnly%22%3Atrue}%2C%22compilers%22%3A[{%22sourcez%22%3A%22PTAEBUE8AcFNUgewK4CdQGNEBN4AtZVYAaURdAG0QENtRqA7UWAD2oFtoLYA6AKACWDAC6hsiAO54B3ABQBKPgG8%2BoUENHUA3KrGIl1UAF56oANQBGLQF9QuqTNiyADPJ3W%2BgkaAaTpcxRV1b21dQxNqS3cgAA%3D%3D%22%2C%22compiler%22%3A%22icc1301%22%2C%22options%22%3A%22%22} 1182782;1435762709;assbot;Compiler Explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxyuEp ) 1182783;1435762724;decimation;^ to continue our 'useless do before while' thread 1182784;1435762746;mats;dear god that url 1182785;1435762748;mircea_popescu;that url scares me 1182786;1435762757;mircea_popescu;is it turing complete ? 1182787;1435762769;decimation;yeah, well except would you rather a 'link shortner' to the same? 1182788;1435762779;mircea_popescu;assbot provides 1182789;1435762789;decimation;exactly 1182790;1435762814;mircea_popescu;i just never saw a kernel url before is all. 1182791;1435762871;mircea_popescu;decimation maybe im slow, but what about it ? a push a pop two moves an imul 1182792;1435762993;decimation;no I'm trying to figure it out too 1182793;1435762998;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181359 << to expound on that : a trader is not a commodity enthusiast. in general enthusiasts make very poor traders, which is why all the gold bugs are poor. 1182794;1435762998;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:10:56; mircea_popescu: i have my doubts. 1182795;1435763000;decimation;I mean, it's legal C, but why both 1182796;1435763014;decimation;mircea_popescu: that was Taleb's point too 1182797;1435763019;mircea_popescu;aha 1182798;1435763035;decimation;I think it got cut off but the guy who thought 'green lumber' was literally boards painted green was an excellent trader 1182799;1435763048;mircea_popescu;yeah it's in there. 1182800;1435763099;decimation;and it is what Fat Tony was talking about: oil traders 'all thought' that they knew about oil and the iraq war, whereas he saw that 'geopolitical analysis' and 'oil trade' isn't the 'same ting' 1182801;1435763136;mircea_popescu;!up PFate 1182802;1435763182;mircea_popescu;same principle yields "great politicians" who have no particular interest in what the flag looks like. 1182803;1435763192;decimation;no I bring up the do{stuff} while(0) because it's in amazon's new openssl 'replacement' 1182804;1435763244;decimation;https://github.com/awslabs/s2n/blob/master/utils/s2n_safety.h < here in the memcpy_check 1182805;1435763245;assbot;s2n/s2n_safety.h at master · awslabs/s2n · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxAcpj ) 1182806;1435763253;decimation;the library is well written C99 1182807;1435763260;mats;http://www.docdroid.net/159hk/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf.html reupload to a 'free online document hosting tool' 1182808;1435763261;assbot;270137312-Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15.pdf - DocDroid ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxAgWn ) 1182809;1435763273;mats;BingoBoingo: ^ may be good for a scoop? not sure how new this information is 1182810;1435763288;decimation;#define memcpy_check( d, s, n ) do { notnull_check( (d) ); if ( memcpy( (d), (s), (n)) != (d) ) { S2N_ERROR(S2N_ERR_MEMCPY); } } while(0) 1182811;1435763325;decimation;asciilifeform: ^ can you explain why the do{} while(0) structure? 1182812;1435763327;mats;decimation: your link loads 'hello world' in the editor -- toss it into pastein? 1182813;1435763347;decimation;here's a working shortener http://goo.gl/w7e54H 1182814;1435763348;assbot;Compiler Explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxAGfb ) 1182815;1435763381;decimation;note that gcc creates exactly the same code for that structure 1182816;1435763381;mircea_popescu;!up stoon 1182817;1435763397;decimation;(compared to the non-do{}while(0) version) 1182818;1435763440;decimation;intel's icc just puts in a useless extra check 1182819;1435763488;*;decimation back to the mines 1182820;1435763535;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. 1182821;1435763649;mats;not sure either. am inquiring now. 1182822;1435763693;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181393 << spurious note left in accidentally. i was going to do some reverse tracking of the connecting ips, but in the end decided to just publish them, you can do yourself same thing. 1182823;1435763693;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:30:42; mike_c: mircea_popescu: You left us hanging there! Since it's missing, I must know what those points of interest are :) 1182824;1435763780;mike_c;ah, thanks. 1182825;1435763792;mats;decimation: man in #asm sez, normally one uses that in #define's due to limitations on preprocessor macro syntax 1182826;1435763837;mircea_popescu;mike_c sorry to have caused your genes distress :D 1182827;1435764036;mats;decimation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/923822/whats-the-use-of-do-while0-when-we-define-a-macro 1182828;1435764037;assbot;c - What's the use of do while(0) when we define a macro? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxDtVD ) 1182829;1435764169;decimation;mats: ah, ty. another link (from the above stackoverflow link) http://c-faq.com/cpp/multistmt.html 1182830;1435764170;assbot;Question 10.4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f19S8W ) 1182831;1435764178;*;decimation really back to mines :) 1182832;1435764523;mats;"One of these, UPE_application_form.doc, contained obfuscated malicious VBA script. When opened, this script ran automatically and pulled down a malicious file from IP address 185.31.209.145, thereby compromising [Kodric's] machine." 1182833;1435764545;mats;hue 1182834;1435764590;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181418 << it's very funny to me, this. idiots are carefully averting other idiots' eyes from important shit. which is altogether a good thing, last fucking thing anyone wants is a deluge of "well meaning" idiots and other "enthusiasts". at least if the anyone in question stops and thinks about it for five minutes. 1182835;1435764590;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:55:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181377 << my current understanding is that the blackout in 'reddit' et al. re: therealbitcoin is more or less total. 1182836;1435764616;mircea_popescu;this sort of service one couldn't pay for, but i doubt they providing it are aware. somehow it seems ot me it'd be pretty painful if they found out. 1182837;1435764632;mod6;forgot post this in here lastnight: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000106.html 1182838;1435764634;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxFNMs ) 1182839;1435764747;mircea_popescu;mats what is that ? 1182840;1435764794;mats;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182807 << Bitstamp Incident Report February 20, 2015 1182841;1435764794;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 15:07:40; mats: http://www.docdroid.net/159hk/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf.html reupload to a 'free online document hosting tool' 1182842;1435764808;mircea_popescu;bwhaahah. 1182843;1435764827;mircea_popescu;mind publishing the plaintext somewhere, say on your blog ? the turd is uselessly opaque, and for instance google doesn'ty know it 1182844;1435764833;mircea_popescu;google should know it. 1182845;1435764847;mats;gonna wait for BingoBoingo to wake up and get to it if you don't mind, i don't have a blog 1182846;1435764877;mircea_popescu;aite. 1182847;1435764886;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181432 << so it doesn't pay NOT to shoot at police. 1182848;1435764886;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 01:55:29; decimation: "Authorities have warned from the start that the pair of fugitives might get their hands on guns. Matt did. And it may have been his undoing at that moment. Matt didn't shoot, but he also didn't comply with officers' order, so they opened fire." 1182849;1435764898;mircea_popescu;just like it doesn't pay to NOT murder the chick you just raped. 1182850;1435764915;mircea_popescu;just like on and on. the stupidity of us law enforcement is ever more fantastic. 1182851;1435764954;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181438 << no, it was obvious. 1182852;1435764954;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 02:32:10; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: in case this was not clear, it is now possible for the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests of therealbitcoin (memory consumption, etc) by denying a node a net connection and syncing from disk using 'eatblock'. 1182853;1435765043;jurov;!mpif 1182854;1435765044;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021438 B (Total: 425.93 B). Delta: -0.03 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] 1182855;1435765051;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1182856;1435765051;assbot;Some are born to endless night. 1182857;1435765051;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181467 << o yeah. 1182858;1435765051;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 02:52:19; asciilifeform: it is now also possible to elementarily ferret out certain kinds of leaks - e.g., does importing the same bastard block ten thousand times result in an increase in ram footprint ? if so, we have leak 1182859;1435765076;mircea_popescu;jurov did not trade o.O 1182860;1435765103;jurov;in fact it did, but outside the book 1182861;1435765114;mircea_popescu;o.O 1182862;1435765130;jurov;ofc, report upcoming 1182863;1435765325;mircea_popescu;cool 1182864;1435765660;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181511 << there's a fascination with precarity i suspect the culprit here. to illustrate hwat i mean, suppose we take the island of hawaii cca 1815. at this point, the indigent savages are going about naked doing their indigent savagery, which does not much include murdering each other, and pointedly no writing or so on. 1182865;1435765660;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 03:33:43; asciilifeform: you can't even win 'underhanded c contest' with them. they're ~screamingly~ bad ideas. 1182866;1435765698;mircea_popescu;we introduce to these people the practice and contest of yachting. this is hard work, in that you have to make a yacht, and then sail it. 1182867;1435765721;mircea_popescu;some of the healty, sane boys will put a lot of work into it, and get good enough to compete with us. 1182868;1435765751;mircea_popescu;some of the anal children will instead make a "different" version of yachthing, which will consist of, for instance, birling. 1182869;1435765796;mircea_popescu;why ? because intelligence and ambition are unrelated, and the ambitiously ungifted have absolutely no incentive in recognizing their shortcoming. it's not that it's cheaper to pretend. it's that literally no other alternative is present. 1182870;1435765821;mircea_popescu;and so... they "are crypto entusiasts" and "You can go much stronger than that" and so on. 1182871;1435765847;mircea_popescu;all the avatars of orphaned boyhood, kids who grow up without a father have no idea what games to play are there. 1182872;1435765959;mircea_popescu;but they also don't have a retroactive abortion mechanism (not that they aren't trying, look at any ghetto ever). 1182873;1435766109;mod6;lol birling 1182874;1435766212;mircea_popescu;it's a thing. 1182875;1435766311;mircea_popescu;anyway, the broadly fraudulent proposition that "you can make yourself better through X Y Z" be they hard work or prayer or anything else fundamentally exists as a direly needed social control mechanism. because the social cost of the ambitiously ungifted is plainly immense, societies have universally and often independently constructed this method to deal with the afflicted. 1182876;1435766362;mircea_popescu;now, it existed as a cleaner, more useful thing before being coopted for this purpose, of course. much like anything else that's now being used to make large population densities possible was a lot nicer before being shat on 1182877;1435766506;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181539 << not anymore than putin'd buy greece. 1182878;1435766506;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 04:05:21; asciilifeform: if kim jong un had balls, perhaps he'd buy it. 1182879;1435766511;mircea_popescu;who buys old whores and for what purpose ? 1182880;1435766776;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181585 << there is something in the entire "cutting off nose to spite your own face" thing. absent this, the pissant has no incentive to uinderstand it is a tiny spec, and may even pretend itself equal to every other asshole out there. 1182881;1435766776;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 04:41:25; asciilifeform: hard to picture a sorrier bunch of bitter schmucks, eagerly taking it up the arse from history's biggest and most obscene communist mega-empire (usg) to spite their little piss-ant one 1182882;1435766880;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/#comment-29482 << can't tell if serious... 1182883;1435766881;assbot;Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV0ePi ) 1182884;1435766933;mircea_popescu;"The legislative act exempted pensions from all measures, with initial plans to open some bank branches on Wednesday and full pensions being paid out. " << dude, fuck this shit. since when can there be exceptions ? 1182885;1435766982;mircea_popescu;"The temporary prohibition is imposed in accordance with Article 20 of the Regulation (EU) No 236/2012 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 14 March 2012 on short selling and certain aspects of credit default swaps (OJ L 86/1, 2012)." << riiight. 1182886;1435767025;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181605 << more than twitter! IT COULD BUY RUSSIA!!1 1182887;1435767025;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 05:05:52; decimation: lol http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-30/uber-bonds-term-sheet-reveals-470-million-in-operating-losses < related 1182888;1435767028;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1182889;1435767121;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181635 << pretty good dilemma. too bad it is purely logical which means it has nothing to do with the electoral process. 1182890;1435767121;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 05:34:04; decimation: which defeats the point of asking individuals to make a decision for the group 1182891;1435767222;mircea_popescu;He admitted that it would be difficult to collect the money from the Kentucky man. 1182892;1435767223;mircea_popescu;Just because I get a judgement, its a piece of paperI can try to put a lien on his house, take his car, but he has various homestead exemptions, he added, citing a law in Kentucky and elsewhere that exists to protect homeowners with deceased spouses who owe money to creditors. 1182893;1435767225;mircea_popescu;heh. 1182894;1435767286;mircea_popescu;creditor owed can not bother the debtor. meanwhile usg can go burn down his house for no reason. 1182895;1435767425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00051312 = 8.133 BTC [+] {2} 1182896;1435767509;mircea_popescu;"These aren't words that an American or a European politician can utter in public, and perhaps not even whisper to their significant other while lying in bed, because the American eavesdroppers might overhear them, and then the politician in question would get the Dominique Strauss-Kahn treatment" 1182897;1435767517;mircea_popescu;heh. 1182898;1435767787;mircea_popescu;anyway, as usual for orlov : the intro is right : yes, the average expenditure average us citizen can expect to make reasonably is ~1 dollar a day. yes things are going the way of http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-137.333-137.381 1182899;1435767788;assbot;The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV2nud ) 1182900;1435767794;mircea_popescu;aka, "Pork bellies go for ~$1 per pound, and so do you". 1182901;1435767820;mircea_popescu;and so no, there's no serious question that the future of the us is anything else or anything different from the africa which it has for so long aimed to join. 1182902;1435767860;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the proposition that greece is a democracy is beyond laughable, and in general he takes a completely nonsequitur turn straight into nonsense midway. 1182903;1435767885;punkman;more like derpocracy 1182904;1435768019;mircea_popescu;sorta like italians but the chicks have bigger asses. 1182905;1435768037;mircea_popescu;otherwise, same tv-driven rank nonsense & feelings. 1182906;1435768689;mircea_popescu;!gettrust Jautenim 1182907;1435768692;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Jautenim: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Jautenim | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Jautenim/ 1182908;1435768714;mircea_popescu;aok than 1182909;1435768750;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? 1182910;1435768750;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 15:45:52; assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski 1182911;1435768787;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181774 << where the fuck doies cisco have money from ? they've made losses about on par with uber 1182912;1435768787;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 15:57:34; pete_dushenski: "Cisco Systems Inc (CSCO.O) said on Tuesday it would buy OpenDNS, a privately held cloud-based security company, for $635 million in cash and equity awards to beef up its security business." << might as well consolidate the crown corps, save on letterhead. 1182913;1435768794;mircea_popescu;o wait... same place uber gets it right ? 1182914;1435768808;mircea_popescu;"we want a db of everyone's travels, what is this bs where people can get a cab in peace" 1182915;1435768841;mircea_popescu;fucktards already. i'll use uber just after i go to work for a transvestite brothel in bang gook. 1182916;1435768950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37470 @ 0.00051412 = 19.2641 BTC [+] {2} 1182917;1435768962;mircea_popescu;woot! 1182918;1435769010;mircea_popescu;!up joshbuddy 1182919;1435769160;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181835 << that's really not the best idea. make it a hammoc, something. 1182920;1435769160;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 16:23:50; ben_vulpes: yeah some cosleeping to begin with 1182921;1435769255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181868 << yes he is. i just checked above. 1182922;1435769255;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 17:59:00; mod6: ah, i don't think you're in assbot's L2. Sorry if I wasted your time. Just send the patch to me: modsix@gmail.com 1182923;1435769282;mircea_popescu;jurov needs to stop keyboard-fu-ing eulora and fix the list!11eleventy. 1182924;1435769380;jurov;!gettrust assbot jautenim 1182925;1435769381;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user jautenim: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=jautenim | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/jautenim/ 1182926;1435769649;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1182927;1435769654;pete_dushenski;howdy howdy 1182928;1435769672;mircea_popescu;Jautenim voice yourself plox. 1182929;1435769681;Jautenim;worth noting that I used a subkey 1182930;1435769689;Jautenim;not the primary one 1182931;1435769694;mircea_popescu;that'd be it. 1182932;1435769719;jurov;Jautenim: try resending it 1182933;1435769737;Jautenim;damn 1182934;1435769743;Jautenim;it is locked away in the fuhrerbunker 1182935;1435769749;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182774 << ty jurov! 1182936;1435769749;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 14:52:26; jurov: asciilifeform: limit raised to 64M (allows for ~ 50M attachments) 1182937;1435769779;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182882 << based on 2nd comment, i'm going to say he's a troll 1182938;1435769779;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 16:08:00; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/#comment-29482 << can't tell if serious... 1182939;1435769793;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182780 << my broadcast will be out tonight, wanted to include the last experiment in it 1182940;1435769793;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 14:58:12; scoopbot_revived: Eulora mini update, July 1st http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-mini-update-july-1st/ 1182941;1435769807;pete_dushenski;the 'Keep the symbol in government forever.' bit it too rich to be real. 1182942;1435769828;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182771 << actually rms was 'for convenience' from day 1, when he abandoned the lispmachine 1182943;1435769828;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 14:49:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << the one thing left loose is that AFTER such, rms is not saying, to me or to anyone, "hey, drepper moved to the dark side, glibc was forked". the last thing you'd expect rms to be indicted for would be an inclination to "make things work" and fold for convenience rather than stand for principle. nevertheless... 1182944;1435769871;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182803 << NO! for fuxxsake, read it. it DOES NOT IMPLEMENT CRYPTO ROUTINES, rides on top of existing lib (e.g., openssl) 1182945;1435769871;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 15:06:32; decimation: no I bring up the do{stuff} while(0) because it's in amazon's new openssl 'replacement' 1182946;1435769877;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you im getting plenty sick of this entire "everything around is a bug's nest" 1182947;1435769878;ascii_field;media lied, as is sop 1182948;1435769886;mircea_popescu;i wasn't born a bug and how the fuck did i end up here ?! 1182949;1435769893;ascii_field;bzzzzpsshss 1182950;1435769931;mircea_popescu;wait, amazon is replacing shit by vacu-packing it in convenient, easy sized, value packs ? 1182951;1435769933;mircea_popescu;herp. 1182952;1435769942;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182832 << run moar winblowz!! 1182953;1435769942;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 15:28:43; mats: "One of these, UPE_application_form.doc, contained obfuscated malicious VBA script. When opened, this script ran automatically and pulled down a malicious file from IP address 185.31.209.145, thereby compromising [Kodric's] machine." 1182954;1435769991;mircea_popescu;how does this shit even work ? can their word editor open net connections !? 1182955;1435769995;mircea_popescu;what is it, emacs ? 1182956;1435769996;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182852 << did this. posted as of this morning to ml. 1182957;1435769996;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 15:35:54; assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 02:32:10; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: in case this was not clear, it is now possible for the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests of therealbitcoin (memory consumption, etc) by denying a node a net connection and syncing from disk using 'eatblock'. 1182958;1435770021;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182068 << yeah i know. 1182959;1435770021;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 21:48:04; shinohai: There is a slight spelling error in this document: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt 1182960;1435770023;kakobrekla;that was Nejces brother computer: "IT security, enterprise servers/storage. IT wizard @ Bitstamp" source: https://twitter.com/ilukeberry 1182961;1435770026;assbot;Luka Kodrič (@ilukeberry) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1B47o ) 1182962;1435770026;mircea_popescu;!s "i can't spell" 1182963;1435770027;assbot;4 results for '"i can't spell"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22i+can%27t+spell%22 1182964;1435770061;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla loller 1182965;1435770090;mats;and he still has responsibilities after losing bidness 18,000 BTC and 650k+ USD 1182966;1435770098;mats;what an organization 1182967;1435770138;mircea_popescu;that's ok, they'll make it back OUT OF BEING LEGAL AND COMPLIANT!!11 1182968;1435770144;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1182969;1435770147;mats;smells of inside job if i ever sniffed one 1182970;1435770175;jurov;And God spake unto them: "Go forth and regulate". 1182971;1435770190;chetty;careful what you sniff 1182972;1435770213;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182954 << of course it can ! 1182973;1435770213;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 16:59:51; mircea_popescu: how does this shit even work ? can their word editor open net connections !? 1182974;1435770237;mircea_popescu;who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? 1182975;1435770244;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182970 << misread, with last line, as 'go forth and sniff glue' 1182976;1435770244;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 17:02:55; jurov: And God spake unto them: "Go forth and regulate". 1182977;1435770252;mircea_popescu;i really don't get this "put all the things in all the things" nonsense. 1182978;1435770272;mircea_popescu;do these people's heads come with feet in them ? 1182979;1435770281;mircea_popescu;"oh you know, if your head needs to take a walk - now it can!" 1182980;1435770318;pete_dushenski;"why have a symphony when you can have a one-man-band !" 1182981;1435770332;jurov;and keep talking to google time servers 1182982;1435770335;pete_dushenski;"it's moar efficient!" 1182983;1435770370;mircea_popescu;"i got a new girlfriend - she came with a built in boyfriend!" 1182984;1435770371;mats;another goxxing is just a matter of time at this point 1182985;1435770395;mats;everybody in the org using windows, wtf 1182986;1435770414;mircea_popescu;mats so they're practically like the US DoD. 1182987;1435770536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00051466 = 19.8916 BTC [+] 1182988;1435770563;mats;it shocks the mind that such people are trusted with anything 1182989;1435770568;mircea_popescu;ascii_field : LoadBlockIndex(): hashBestChain=00000000000000001160 height=362808 << confirmed. my chain is fine, delay and difficulties to date due to operator error. 1182990;1435770589;mircea_popescu;the seeder is coming back online momentarily. for my own curiosity, re-start the syncing and compare the two sets you get. 1182991;1435770591;ascii_field;ahahahaha 1182992;1435770595;mats;and on the subject of shock... i still can't get over the fact that Stuxnet happened 1182993;1435770596;ascii_field;say when 1182994;1435770603;jurov;mats actually show me one person that is trusted with $$$ or lives and does *not* use windows 1182995;1435770612;jurov;we need some role models here 1182996;1435770623;mats;chinese, afaik 1182997;1435770638;jurov;that's not one person 1182998;1435770659;mircea_popescu;i've last used windows xp a decade ago to play might and magic. 1182999;1435770674;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they figured out how to make the old games run in emulator. 1183000;1435770735;jurov;my own fkn brother simlates megawatts of energy and kilotons of overheated steam using... excel. 1183001;1435770752;jurov;tried ooo, rejected in disgust 1183002;1435770753;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: connected, stalled 1183003;1435770768;mircea_popescu;ascii_field o.O 1183004;1435770770;jurov;and programming? why? 1183005;1435770773;mircea_popescu;you have got to be kidding me. 1183006;1435770791;ascii_field;same pattern as before 1183007;1435770797;mircea_popescu;this is ridiculous. 1183008;1435770800;ascii_field;short burst, followed by long period of wtf 1183009;1435770813;mircea_popescu;ok so last time there was a bona fide index/db problem, which made it be slow and painful. 1183010;1435770820;mats;ooo hasn't been patched in years 1183011;1435770822;mircea_popescu;but atm it's zipping around doing 2mbps 1183012;1435770830;mats;afaik 1183013;1435770862;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: all i can say is that i'm seeing ~exactly~ same pattern as before 1183014;1435770870;ascii_field;socket open, nothing moves 1183015;1435770884;mircea_popescu;so... it wasn't that then ?! 1183016;1435770887;*;mircea_popescu baffled. 1183017;1435770889;ascii_field;evidently not. 1183018;1435770915;jurov;tried to break in gdb? 1183019;1435770929;mircea_popescu;i mean, there were occasional spikes in load in the previous incarnation, and i figured those may be it. but now it's smooth as butter. 1183020;1435770932;ascii_field;jurov: try to make sense of any of it in gdb 1183021;1435770949;mircea_popescu;jurov you ever tried that nm lol. 1183022;1435770951;kakobrekla;anyone saved that buttstamp doc, scribd removed it 1183023;1435770980;jurov;http://www.docdroid.net/159hk/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf.html 1183024;1435770981;assbot;270137312-Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15.pdf - DocDroid ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1E6bX ) 1183025;1435770982;mircea_popescu;fucking hate scribd bs 1183026;1435771000;kakobrekla;thanks jurov 1183027;1435771004;mircea_popescu;which hate has apparently saved a bit of internet comedy from extinction. 1183028;1435771061;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: about 5 sec burst of data, followed by 40-infinity sec. of silence. 1183029;1435771099;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i can at this point guarantee to you it is not due to this machine. 1183030;1435771132;mircea_popescu;which just finished syncing, btw. 1183031;1435771133;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: pretty sure we are being fucked with downstream. 1183032;1435771148;mircea_popescu;is it possible your isp is being fucktarded ? 1183033;1435771157;mircea_popescu;like doesn't want you gaming or whatever the nutty fuck ? 1183034;1435771161;ascii_field;i'm sitting on a different, industrial isp, 100km away from home 1183035;1435771182;ascii_field;and i've never had the slightest problem of the kind suggested above, with either 1183036;1435771189;*;ascii_field pays serious coin for bandwidth 1183037;1435771200;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1183038;1435771209;kakobrekla;another mirror if that one gets taken down http://pdfsr.com/pdf/270137312-bitstamp-incident-report-2-20-15.pdf 1183039;1435771210;assbot;270137312-Bitstamp-Incident-Report-2-20-15.pdf - PdfSR.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1EN4O ) 1183040;1435771227;kakobrekla;hm 1183041;1435771233;ascii_field;kakobrekla: 'required adobe flash player' 1183042;1435771236;kakobrekla;i guess i can just put it on ba files server 1183043;1435771284;mircea_popescu;maybe bb or someone de-pdfs it already 1183044;1435771367;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/53844fb220f5d0917b9c844907c9f2f4/tumblr_nh26kcSHGN1ti99ofo1_1280.jpg 1183045;1435771369;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1FnQb ) 1183046;1435771422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182121 << aahhahaha check this out alfie! dept of propaganda thinks it's lost. 1183047;1435771422;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 22:40:30; shinohai: hue, motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-is-unsustainable?trk_source=homepage-lede 1183048;1435771446;mircea_popescu;go sustain yourselves on cocks, nameless "journalists". 1183049;1435771450;punkman;http://www.businessinsider.com/david-cameron-encryption-back-doors-iphone-whatsapp-2015-7 1183050;1435771451;assbot;David Cameron says he wants back doors in encyption products - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1FEm3 ) 1183051;1435771470;punkman;"We have always been able, on the authority of the home secretary, to sign a warrant and intercept a phone call, a mobile phone call or other media communications, but the question we must ask ourselves is whether, as technology develops, we are content to leave a safe space" 1183052;1435771484;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1183053;1435771489;punkman;"for terrorists to communicate with each other." 1183054;1435771490;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what is peculiar about this piece? reads like the same old crap 1183055;1435771512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00051466 = 10.4476 BTC [+] 1183056;1435771524;mircea_popescu;nah, they had the "unsustainable" crapola on the back burner for a coupla years, as they were hoping they may actually elbow themselves into relevancy all through 2013-14 1183057;1435771534;mircea_popescu;we're moving back to 2011-2012 it would seem. 1183058;1435771551;ascii_field;and as someone pointed out in last night's thread, let's compute the energy lost by failing to boil visa, mastercard execs into biodiesel 1183059;1435771569;mircea_popescu;the meta point is of interest here. 1183060;1435771576;mircea_popescu;they've realligned. 1183061;1435771579;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: your node continues to emit bursts 1183062;1435771612;mircea_popescu;as it is i have nfi what to do about it. 1183063;1435771632;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: put copy of same in another country, i'll compare. 1183064;1435771645;mircea_popescu;alrighty. 1183065;1435771701;mircea_popescu;it'll be a few days to get everything settled out. 1183066;1435771751;ascii_field;...and now it's rolling 1183067;1435771770;*;ascii_field wonders if it was transmitting into a philippino buffer 1183068;1435771774;ascii_field;which had to fill 1183069;1435771832;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1183070;1435771868;ascii_field;aha 1183071;1435771892;ascii_field;39000+ 1183072;1435771921;ascii_field;45000+ 1183073;1435771924;ascii_field;...and counting 1183074;1435771940;mircea_popescu;that sounds morel ike it. 1183075;1435772015;decimation;ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd 1183076;1435772023;decimation;s2n even 1183077;1435772025;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182162 << all clients that sync after a certain blkxxxx file was filled will get the exact same file (different from any of the ones of the peers they sync from). all clients that sync durin will get different ones 1183078;1435772025;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 00:25:18; mod6: i have 3 full-sync'd chains from between January and March, all have the same blk0001.dat hash: sha256sum blk0001.dat \ 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat 1183079;1435772028;decimation;wtf is the point 1183080;1435772042;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc i explained this last night 1183081;1435772046;mircea_popescu;ah ok. 1183082;1435772056;ascii_field;(thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src) 1183083;1435772070;mircea_popescu;i was doing like 5 things at once past coupla days and so ended up leaving all sorts of things unexplained fully. 1183084;1435772091;*;ascii_field also. 1183085;1435772096;decimation;mircea_popescu: bottom line, satoshi stores a binary blob of the blockchain AND also the bdb database 1183086;1435772114;decimation;in theory, if orphans are removed, we should yeild the same blockchain turds 1183087;1435772119;mircea_popescu;decimation well, it's so to speak "unstrained" if you're there, and "strained" if you hear about it later. 1183088;1435772126;mircea_popescu;nah cause also ordering issues 1183089;1435772133;ascii_field;mno 1183090;1435772139;decimation;blocks are stored in order 1183091;1435772140;ascii_field;not in the blkxxxx 1183092;1435772145;ascii_field;aha in order 1183093;1435772170;decimation;although it seems there might be disagreement between nodes in later blkxxxx.dat files 1183094;1435772171;mircea_popescu;i think some implementations end up with different gaps between them or something. 1183095;1435772190;mircea_popescu;something like that 1183096;1435772227;Jautenim;jurov nope 1183097;1435772252;Jautenim;i'm sending a blank email with these three attachments: http://dpaste.com/1YPE04M http://dpaste.com/2XV9P7V http://dpaste.com/2DDHFF4 1183098;1435772253;assbot;dpaste: 1YPE04M: something.txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1Ifwh ) 1183099;1435772254;assbot;dpaste: 2XV9P7V: jautenim_openssl_docs_snip.patch ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1IebW ) 1183100;1435772255;assbot;dpaste: 2DDHFF4: jautenim_openssl_docs_snip.patch.sig ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1Ifwl ) 1183101;1435772274;decimation;ascii_field: one wonders why bezos didn't order the creation of his own rsa code 1183102;1435772336;mircea_popescu;i am willing to take any odds on "he doesn't know this exists" 1183103;1435772349;ascii_field;Jautenim: we already have the install_sw thing - see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html 1183104;1435772350;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1IuaO ) 1183105;1435772367;mircea_popescu;from experience, most people's understanding of cryptography is comensurate with your average 1700s peasants' understanding of contraception. 1183106;1435772390;ascii_field;l0l! 1183107;1435772439;Jautenim;gah, I didn't check the new stator.sh 1183108;1435772444;Jautenim;allrighto 1183109;1435772449;decimation;yeah that seems about right 1183110;1435772504;decimation;mircea_popescu: but seemingly everyone is a "crypto enthusiast" today. 1183111;1435772518;mircea_popescu;only here. 1183112;1435772587;jurov;Jautenim: problem was here, all three came through 1183113;1435772589;mircea_popescu;anyway, it is interesting to point out that the first 2 gb blockindes fit a whopping 188k blocks 1183114;1435772597;mircea_popescu;these days they're still fitting 3-5k blocks. 1183115;1435772617;mircea_popescu;soon it will be a new 2gb file each two weeks. 1183116;1435772653;ascii_field;aha, that's about right for 10min, 1MB blocks 1183117;1435772657;ascii_field;(upper limit) 1183118;1435772680;decimation;you know with these 'blockchain bitrates' I would be concerned about bitrot on disks 1183119;1435772685;decimation;not like pogos have ecc 1183120;1435772697;ascii_field;decimation: i'm pretty certain that i experienced a bitflip last night 1183121;1435772715;decimation;actually, this is an excellent case for putting ecc in bitcoin 1183122;1435772728;ascii_field;decimation: ecc cannot be implemented in software 1183123;1435772732;decimation;or at least, in the disk-storage gismo 1183124;1435772734;decimation;why not 1183125;1435772738;ascii_field;(to an extent, sure, but ~any bit~ can flip) 1183126;1435772745;ascii_field;including arbitrary code bit 1183127;1435772764;decimation;yeah, but I don't give a shit if a pogo's code bit flips, probably will crash 1183128;1435772770;ascii_field;mno 1183129;1435772778;ascii_field;this is very much a mistake 1183130;1435772785;decimation;I do give a shit if none of the pogos have a coherent record of the blocks 1183131;1435772813;mircea_popescu;decimation very much so. 1183132;1435772813;mircea_popescu;there are many considerations here. for instance, as an exercise to the trainee : calculate the minimum storage space required to GUARANTEE bit=wise identity over X bytes of information. 1183133;1435772831;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that one's easy - infinity 1183134;1435772845;decimation;in noisy channels there are no guarantees 1183135;1435772850;ascii_field;^ 1183136;1435772877;mircea_popescu;obviously, for t = infinity the size -> infinity. 1183137;1435772877;mircea_popescu;wait, wut ?! 1183138;1435772880;ascii_field;best one can hope for is to get it an order of magnitude below 'asteroid hits your computer' probability 1183139;1435772903;decimation;ascii_field: the problem: try finding reliable statistics on your consumer grade hard drives 1183140;1435772915;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1183141;1435772931;mircea_popescu;because we live in the best possible world built on top of !!!science!!! so nothing is ever sold by any sort of spec. 1183142;1435772935;ascii_field;blockchain really belongs on combo of mask and antifuse rom 1183143;1435772942;ascii_field;afaik neither is manufactured today 1183144;1435772944;ascii_field;i tried to buy some 1183145;1435772968;ascii_field;(mask rom for known blocks from the past, antifuse for future ones) 1183146;1435772992;ascii_field;both are immune to anything short of room-melting level of radiation 1183147;1435773032;ascii_field;(on the former, no way to flip a bit - physically - at all; on the latter - need high current and moderately high voltage) 1183148;1435773037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36489 @ 0.00051236 = 18.6955 BTC [-] 1183149;1435773161;decimation;as for mechanical drives the best info I can find is here https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/ 1183150;1435773163;assbot;The Ultimate Hard Drive Test: What Hard Drive is Best? ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1MQ1M ) 1183151;1435773201;mircea_popescu;ascii_field still normal ? 1183152;1435773206;ascii_field;bursts 1183153;1435773215;mircea_popescu;it reverted to bursts ?! 1183154;1435773219;ascii_field;130799 1183155;1435773221;ascii_field;aha 1183156;1435773221;Jautenim;screw this -.- http://i.imgur.com/743Om34.png 1183157;1435773222;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1N1Kp ) 1183158;1435773223;Jautenim;sorry 1183159;1435773244;mircea_popescu;Jautenim lol wut is that. 1183160;1435773260;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/thread.html << this, apparently 1183161;1435773261;assbot;The BTC-dev July 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1NbBn ) 1183162;1435773293;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nuts. i tell you ... the load is < .2 and has not peaked above 1 (this is on 8 cpu machine). there is nothing deferred or anthing suspicious in the logs. the eth card is doing fine. two dozen connections, routinely hitting 1mbps. etc. 1183163;1435773309;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: downstream. 1183164;1435773311;ascii_field;must be. 1183165;1435773315;mircea_popescu;it must. 1183166;1435773328;ascii_field;this is gonna be a problem 1183167;1435773332;mircea_popescu;it might. 1183168;1435773342;ascii_field;i suspect we have come to a 'chinese' point 1183169;1435773351;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1183170;1435773353;jurov;try to run it in ssh tunnel? 1183171;1435773353;mircea_popescu;howssat ? 1183172;1435773361;ascii_field;where the buggers use what they have - control over backbones - to annoy people 1183173;1435773370;ascii_field;ssh tunnel is what i suggested earlier aha 1183174;1435773376;ascii_field;but not a long-term solution to anything 1183175;1435773385;*;ascii_field observes 5 sec. or so burst 1183176;1435773393;mircea_popescu;a) that, b) what would it do ? 1183177;1435773404;decimation;ascii_field: it could also be just misconfigured routers 1183178;1435773408;decimation;"buffer bloat" 1183179;1435773410;mircea_popescu;we know we can actually pass data between each other. what we wish to find out is what causes this behaviour and who to kill. 1183180;1435773428;mircea_popescu;decimation yes, but this server would not stand if that were the case. 1183181;1435773442;jurov;if ssh works fine, you'd confirm that someone is doing packet inspection 1183182;1435773449;ascii_field;^ 1183183;1435773457;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1183184;1435773465;mircea_popescu;ascii_field whadda ya need ? 1183185;1435773467;decimation;if you are using a standard linux distro, it's well known that older kernels had buffer bloat/tcp tuning issues 1183186;1435773469;ascii_field;except, who exactly needed to inspect 1183187;1435773474;ascii_field;mircea_popescu announced the box ip publicly 1183188;1435773480;mircea_popescu;decimation recent centos tho. 1183189;1435773487;ascii_field;after that, red phone in derpistan dept. of derp rang 1183190;1435773488;decimation;has ancient kernel 1183191;1435773511;decimation;I have experienced buffer bloat issues using a centos router 1183192;1435773525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00051466 = 14.5649 BTC [+] 1183193;1435773526;ascii_field;i'm gonna guess the entire link between anywhere i can go without taking a plane, and mircea_popescu's box, is burpy on account of packets hitting tape before they get to me 1183194;1435773535;jurov;well, that would show in netstat output? 1183195;1435773541;jurov;in SendQ column 1183196;1435773552;decimation;good point, probably work 1183197;1435773557;decimation;probably would show I mean 1183198;1435773675;ascii_field;'In addition, we have paid out approximately $250,000 to programmers hired to rebuild and improve our platform; paid approximately $250,000 (and counting) to the Stroz Friedberg team; and at least $150,000 more for various security reviews, and legal and financial advice. These out of pocket costs are continuing to accrue.' 1183199;1435773678;ascii_field;^ l0l!!! 1183200;1435773698;ascii_field;'In addition, to prevent future capital losses of this kind, we have contracted with a vendor to provide “multi-sig” technology to better protect our hot wallet (this particular transfer could not have happened today) and hired a skilled technology company, Xapo, to assist in managing our cold wallet.' 1183201;1435773701;ascii_field;^ ahahahahahaha 1183202;1435773769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.00051525 = 59.2022 BTC [+] {3} 1183203;1435773817;jurov;ya. no word about executives' filthy laptops. 1183204;1435773830;ascii_field;'The gambit for this phishing attack was to offer Mr Merlak free 1183205;1435773830;ascii_field;tickets to Punk Rock Holiday 2015. (Merlak is keen on punk rock and has played in a band.)' 1183206;1435773841;decimation;or why those filthy laptops can come anywhere near their 'hot wallet key' 1183207;1435773965;decimation;ascii_field: note the statistics from backblaze don't show the probability of single bit errors (undetected by the drive) 1183208;1435773994;ascii_field;decimation: dram bitflips are far more interesting 1183209;1435773999;ascii_field;because you can't get 'raid' for dram 1183210;1435774008;ascii_field;whereas nobody serious gives a fuck re: disks 1183211;1435774022;decimation;yeah, but we have jungle hardware, can't get ecc dram 1183212;1435774030;ascii_field;because P(bit-n-disk0 + bit-n-disk1) flip ~= 0 1183213;1435774048;decimation;right, but pogo class machine only has one drive 1183214;1435774051;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: connects, disconnects, without transfer of anything 1183215;1435774055;ascii_field;for ~10min now 1183216;1435774058;mircea_popescu;"the stroz friedberg team" ? wtfd is that. 1183217;1435774072;ascii_field;decimation: pogo is to have strength in numbers 1183218;1435774086;decimation;yeah, but if each pawn is too week to carry weapon, have nothing 1183219;1435774089;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: some 'cyber sek000r1ty!11!! firm' 1183220;1435774094;mircea_popescu;ridiculous. 1183221;1435774114;mircea_popescu;so they spent 250k (abnd counting) so as to lose 4mn off a schmuck's home connection ? 1183222;1435774142;mircea_popescu;whatever, owners' / investors' problem. 1183223;1435774186;mircea_popescu; or why those filthy laptops can come anywhere near their 'hot wallet key' << this is easy enough to answer, if you think about it. and if you don't... if you let history be your guide. 1183224;1435774213;mircea_popescu;i'd withdraw anything i had in that shithole by now, had i not withdrawn it long before, had i had anything in there in the first place. 1183225;1435774229;decimation;what's amusing is that nobody gets it right, or apparently even tries 1183226;1435774235;decimation;imagine how bad fiat systems are 1183227;1435774244;mircea_popescu;or at least, "no one you'd hear about on reddit" 1183228;1435774264;mircea_popescu;because yes, the point of life is to preserve that most valuable delusion - that "nobody could have foreseen..." 1183229;1435774267;decimation;well, as far as bitcoin exchanges are concerned 1183230;1435774278;mircea_popescu;essentially the adult version of "but daddy, all the kids in class got this question wrong too!" 1183231;1435774321;mircea_popescu;but to get back to jurov's more interesting thread 1183232;1435774327;mircea_popescu;netstat wut ? 1183233;1435774349;jurov;netstat -tnp 1183234;1435774350;*;mircea_popescu is trying to bootstrap the public interest in the matter into getting a networking education for himself. 1183235;1435774360;mircea_popescu;sudo ? or just plain ? 1183236;1435774368;jurov;and it shows all open connections, with kernel buffers 1183237;1435774371;jurov;usually sudo 1183238;1435774397;decimation;yeah, find ascii's connection and see what the sendQ value is 1183239;1435774416;jurov;with general conclusion that if SendQ buffer is empty then it's application fault 1183240;1435774449;decimation;assuming that this is the last machine that touches it before it goes to your isp 1183241;1435774450;jurov;otherwise either kernel stalls or pipe is congested(dropped packets, whatever) 1183242;1435774489;mircea_popescu;stuff like 422816 k in the sendq 1183243;1435774490;decimation;the stereotypical 'buffer bloat' problem is that you find packets become extremely lagged when there is heavy bandwidth use 1183244;1435774505;mircea_popescu;but atm i don't even see stan's client connected. 1183245;1435774563;mircea_popescu;<jurov> otherwise either kernel stalls or pipe is congested(dropped packets, whatever) << i thought this may well be it previously, as load was uncharacteristically high for this application. but solved that problem and apparently no improvement. 1183246;1435774641;mircea_popescu;decimation i know, but this is a major server doing all sorts of other things. it could not stand for five minutes if that were the problem. 1183247;1435774642;ascii_field;... and rolling again 1183248;1435774646;ascii_field;... and then not 1183249;1435774684;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration for ya! http://dpaste.com/0PSVYP8.txt 1183250;1435774686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZ7pWi ) 1183251;1435774686;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1183252;1435774736;ascii_field;and nobody even read the mega-experiment from this morning yet, afaik 1183253;1435774751;ascii_field;(result of the last 4 days) 1183254;1435774770;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182283 << aha there we go. 1183255;1435774770;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 02:51:53; asciilifeform: if his blk** are ~original~ - as in, they were formed ~as the blocks happened~ - they can contain orphaned (in the traditional sense) blocks 1183256;1435774787;mircea_popescu;i think they're called "stale" 1183257;1435774793;mircea_popescu;ie, were but are no longer longest chain 1183258;1435774804;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla and for uuuu! http://dpaste.com/3HH0TQE.txt 1183259;1435774805;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1THrW ) 1183260;1435774805;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1183261;1435774805;ascii_field;aha 1183262;1435774805;mircea_popescu;different from the orphan, which is "block with no known connection to the hcain" 1183263;1435774815;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1183264;1435774816;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the latter we now call 'bastard' 1183265;1435774833;mircea_popescu;alright. but the former's still stale rather than orphan 1183266;1435774842;mircea_popescu;as it does have a daddy, just, daddy got married with a wanton slut 1183267;1435774848;ascii_field;l0l aha 1183268;1435774854;mircea_popescu;romaian would be "dezmostenit" 1183269;1435774858;mircea_popescu;not sure english comprehends. 1183270;1435774896;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the terminology 'orphan' is used in the source, hence why i referred to it 1183271;1435774908;ascii_field;('stale' is a better term, but does not appear in src) 1183272;1435774922;mircea_popescu;aha. but anyway : yes all my blks are original in that sense, this bneing the whole point of the exercise. 1183273;1435774947;mircea_popescu;(i also have strained variants, obviously - but of what interest are they) 1183274;1435774986;ascii_field;another short burst 1183275;1435775027;mircea_popescu;!up Eulorian 1183276;1435775029;mircea_popescu;hey there. 1183277;1435775050;mircea_popescu;ascii_field are the bursts mechanically the same ? like, all 500kb or w/e ? 1183278;1435775066;ascii_field;no 1183279;1435775069;ascii_field;varies 1183280;1435775250;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182356 << i could have sworn there's some weird padding in there 1183281;1435775250;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 03:32:56; asciilifeform: iirc, it is [mainortestchainflag][length][blockdata] repeated again and again 1183282;1435775254;mircea_popescu;usure ? 1183283;1435775323;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1183284;1435775326;ascii_field;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29424.msg370335#msg370335 << as pictured here 1183285;1435775328;assbot;File formats -- blkindex.dat and blk0001.dat ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1Vm0F ) 1183286;1435775425;mircea_popescu;ascii_field eh. proceeding from the other direction : not only is the need for a bdb datastore directly indicative of allignment problems, but moreover its presence virtually guarantees them. so no, i don't think you can actually rely on "block after block" thing, but then again i can't be arsed to emacs a .dat 1183287;1435775477;mircea_popescu;honestly the only sane arrangement would be either a) store each block as a file, or else b) store blocks in arbitrary sized files, each starting at offsed 1Mb * block_count 1183288;1435775481;ascii_field;the bdb thing is for tx (and block-by-header) indexing 1183289;1435775489;ascii_field;as so the thing doesn't end up running in O(N) time 1183290;1435775505;ascii_field;'each block as a file' strains filesystem 1183291;1435775509;mircea_popescu;no fucking idea why it hasn't implemented a from the get go incidentally. 1183292;1435775512;ascii_field;(and kills winblowz dead of course) 1183293;1435775516;mircea_popescu;yeah but filesystem is who is supposed to deal with this. 1183294;1435775519;mircea_popescu;NOT MY JOB OMFG 1183295;1435775526;mircea_popescu;let the problem be solved once and solved well. 1183296;1435775529;ascii_field;filesystems (other than reiser) don't like dir full of millions of turdz 1183297;1435775537;mircea_popescu;so make it a dir tree. 1183298;1435775538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49923 @ 0.00051175 = 25.5481 BTC [-] {2} 1183299;1435775546;ascii_field;it is easy to solve. just define custom fs for blockchain 1183300;1435775549;ascii_field;we spoke of this ages ago 1183301;1435775554;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1183302;1435775558;ascii_field;let it have own block device. 1183303;1435775563;mircea_popescu;yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. 1183304;1435775579;mircea_popescu;because if you run bitcoin on that system, ALL the tradeoffs the kernel makes MUST be organised around its needs. 1183305;1435775584;ascii_field;it is what i wanted to do in the mythical msdos port 1183306;1435775602;mircea_popescu;maybe not msdos, but i think cp/m would actually suffice for everything involved. 1183307;1435775617;ascii_field;(msdos, as we know, won't eat a +2G fs - but doesn't give a damn what you say to the disk controller. so roll your own.) 1183308;1435775633;ascii_field;the only thing that even needs an os in the usual sense is the threading 1183309;1435775656;ascii_field;and not, as naive might suppose, the tcp/ip ! 1183310;1435775665;decimation;you could make a dirtree 1183311;1435775665;ascii_field;there are ~working~ tcp stacks for 'bare bios' 1183312;1435775667;ascii_field;i have one here 1183313;1435775668;mircea_popescu;in any case i regard the blkxxx scheme as a hare brained, buggy slow and stupid reimplementation of a filesystem in a kernel that's trying to be an app. 1183314;1435775677;ascii_field;aha 1183315;1435775679;decimation;I used one for 80806 1183316;1435775682;decimation;8086 1183317;1435775689;decimation;called 'ka9q nos' 1183318;1435775699;decimation;ran in dos 1183319;1435775711;jurov;iirc there's vfat driver for ms-dos.. some 200k 1183320;1435775718;ascii_field;fuck fat32 1183321;1435775730;ascii_field;it's how we got the blkxxxx turd in the 1st place 1183322;1435775734;ascii_field;with its 2g blobs 1183323;1435775737;mircea_popescu;ahaha wait 1183324;1435775742;mircea_popescu;THAT is how 2gb got picked ? 1183325;1435775749;ascii_field;how did you think 1183326;1435775753;decimation;I do agree that converting blkxxx to dirtree would be an improvement 1183327;1435775754;*;mircea_popescu reels at the realisation it never occured to him before 1183328;1435775768;mircea_popescu;i dunno dude, how the fuck should i know how people who use magic numbers pick the magic numbers to use./ 1183329;1435775775;ascii_field;because shitblowz 1183330;1435775794;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is such a fucking insult. 1183331;1435775802;ascii_field;sure is 1183332;1435775804;ascii_field;i barf from it daily 1183333;1435775810;ascii_field;every time i look at that thing. 1183334;1435775826;ascii_field;my brain pulsates like it wants to blow chunks 1183335;1435775854;decimation;oh, here's a c preprocessor macro to implement templates!! 1183336;1435775867;*;decimation barfs 1183337;1435775899;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182371 << honestly, i don't think he likes you. 1183338;1435775899;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 03:51:18; midnightmagic: asciilifeform: Congratulations on making simple interaction so expensive. 1183339;1435775931;*;ascii_field amused re: how that fella appears always at certain... occasions 1183340;1435775938;ascii_field;to express a very particular pov 1183341;1435775951;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182379 << different in what exact sense ? how is one wotless pleb different from another ? 1183342;1435775951;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 04:03:57; asciilifeform: or different one. 1183343;1435776042;ascii_field;muppet theatre has a box of masks, occasionally they rotate 1183344;1435776124;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182385 << i lolled, but "6/10 decent trolling but article is obviously rambling and unconvincing," ?? 1183345;1435776124;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 04:08:54; danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/fuckeveryword/status/616093901401686017 1183346;1435776128;mircea_popescu;what is this, defense by epithet ? 1183347;1435776146;mircea_popescu;"i'm fat and should work out but the science involved in mean so 6/10" ? 1183348;1435776223;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182390 << oh for crying out loud. 1183349;1435776223;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 04:12:37; decimation: lolz http://blog.samaltman.com/energy < sam altman has a great new startup idea (YC certified): nuclear fusion 1183350;1435776239;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i was promised rotation! WHAT IS THIS SCAM 1183351;1435776251;ascii_field;l0l 1183352;1435776267;mircea_popescu;will i live to be 90 and read all about "the very exciting technical development of 3d cinema", which apparently didn't fail convincingly enough the fiurst time jack warner trieds to beat television out of the amrket 1183353;1435776272;ascii_field;muppeteer's hand sticky with spoodge, frog got glued on 1183354;1435776273;mircea_popescu;and then "uber" and then "cold fusion 1183355;1435776279;mircea_popescu;and then etc ? 1183356;1435776281;mircea_popescu;it gets old. 1183357;1435776329;ascii_field;in yr 2500 there will be folks selling 'forever live' pills 1183358;1435776334;ascii_field;just as in year 500 1183359;1435776336;ascii_field;and -500 1183360;1435776342;mircea_popescu;fucking curse of an active intelligence : you don't, personalyl, get old. you just get to watch the entire world get very old very fast/ 1183361;1435776361;mircea_popescu;eventually you feel old just for being involved. 1183362;1435776374;*;ascii_field felt pretty old decade ago already 1183363;1435776418;mircea_popescu;i'm sitting here in the 80s romania laughing at 3d glasses. for fucks sake - FROSI, the communist german's youth magazine, sent me some very sturdy cardboard 3d glasses in one edition. was like 86 iirc. 1183364;1435776434;ascii_field;my father laughed at 3d glasses in 1960 1183365;1435776440;ascii_field;and his father in ww2 1183366;1435776460;ascii_field;(issued to artillerists, reading oddball experimental maps) 1183367;1435776466;trinque;yeah, but now they're called hololens, and you'll have to take out a credit card to purchase 1183368;1435776480;ascii_field;and i have it on good authority that folks in the age where 'sherlock holmes' is set also laughed 1183369;1435776487;mircea_popescu;wtf srsly, teh internets doesn't know about frosi ? 1183370;1435776518;ascii_field;'google' now sells a cardboard frame one can stuff a pNohe into, as 3d glasses. 1183371;1435776544;ascii_field;cheap tricks don't really change 1183372;1435776680;mircea_popescu;https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRSI ere we go. 1183373;1435776681;assbot;FRÖSI – Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1ZHkl ) 1183374;1435776742;mircea_popescu;http://www.ddr-comics.de/froesi/index/8507a.jpg << actually this might have been the exact edition. 1183375;1435776743;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1ZUnH ) 1183376;1435776869;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182397 << what the motherfucking shit is this. "our years of experience in something we've not done at all are to be combined in the following manner - if we jump one inch each day we'll have an olympic record before the year is out" 1183377;1435776869;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 04:14:20; decimation: and http://www.helionenergy.com/ < "By combining our years of experience in fusion, newly available electronics technologies, and a revolutionary design using cutting-edge physics, Helion is making a fusion engine 1,000 times smaller, over 500 times cheaper, and realizable 10 time faster than other projects." 1183378;1435776872;mircea_popescu;what in the actual shit. 1183379;1435776900;mircea_popescu;i could be back in school, listening to retarded 11yos describing their sexual experience in flamboyantly wrong detail. 1183380;1435776912;trinque;they've lived on a planet orbiting a massive fusion reaction; what more do you want? 1183381;1435776920;trinque;mircea_popescu: "peed in her butt" 1183382;1435776925;mircea_popescu;i think my dinner had comparable fusion experience. 1183383;1435776954;mircea_popescu;trinque no this was specifically that after summer vacation, guy told class agape this tall tale about the orgy he had going at his grandparent's rural house. 1183384;1435776969;mircea_popescu;so then i asked him where's the little worm thing on the girl's snatch, upside or downside ? 1183385;1435776970;trinque;lol 1183386;1435776981;mircea_popescu;and the dude went like wtf am i on about, there's no such thing. 1183387;1435777024;trinque;reminds me of a chick I remember in high school telling me that she had no idea her pussy had a hole in it until *way* later than a healthy human being should 1183388;1435777029;trinque;like... early teens 1183389;1435777038;ascii_field;'on which end is the soldering iron hot' 1183390;1435777040;mircea_popescu;"wut do you mean, i heard there's a little nubbin thing like a tip of a finger" "omfg get out of here 6/10 trolling" 1183391;1435777052;mircea_popescu;then the recess was over an' i told the gals all about it. was a very lulzy week. 1183392;1435777099;trinque;I guess this girl thought babies were shat... or something 1183393;1435777118;mircea_popescu;it has happened... 1183394;1435777122;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182404 << don't forget to 3d print it. 1183395;1435777122;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 04:15:12; trinque: ah man, I'll be able to bolt one of these to my emdrive and colonize mars 1183396;1435777129;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1183397;1435777129;trinque;ofc 1183398;1435777143;trinque;and turn the trip to mars into a reality tv show 1183399;1435777161;mircea_popescu;where you put a bunch of dumb teens in a room and nobody fucks anyone. 1183400;1435777168;mircea_popescu;muy reality. 1183401;1435777169;ascii_field;financed with kyc/aml compliant kickstartgogo 1183402;1435777181;mircea_popescu;to quote sammy l, "that's no reality i ever heard of. they speak english in reality ?" 1183403;1435777238;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: hi there. were you able to read through that book? if so, what'd you think? 1183404;1435777268;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: nah not finished yet; got distracted 1183405;1435777276;trinque;but I'm sure I'll get to it 1183406;1435777281;ag3nt_zer0;cool 1183407;1435777359;mod6;<+ascii_field> i barf from it daily << lol 1183408;1435777374;mircea_popescu;poor mod6 lol. 1183409;1435777383;mircea_popescu;he knows. 1183410;1435777389;ag3nt_zer0;any hikers in here? just did 5 days backpacking in yosemite... unbelievable! - highly recommended 1183411;1435777401;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: yeah, I do a bit of that around oregon 1183412;1435777403;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 some p[eople in portland were gazing at the nude biker chiks 1183413;1435777408;trinque;heh! 1183414;1435777454;trinque;lets just make the tits-out thing year-round 1183415;1435777486;mircea_popescu;it frosts there neh ? 1183416;1435777490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129350 @ 0.00051728 = 66.9102 BTC [+] {2} 1183417;1435777510;mircea_popescu;ANI is generally dependent on a warm climate and good central heating. 1183418;1435777520;mircea_popescu;but outdoors... 1183419;1435777536;trinque;sure, I'll accept inside-only 1183420;1435777545;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182464 << got some magnolias etc, same feeling. 1183421;1435777545;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 04:31:56; cazalla: tfw buying a deciduous tree in the winter and feel like i bought a stick for $20 lol (Hovenia dulcis if anyone cares as much) 1183422;1435777557;trinque;notable how happy everyone seems in town when everyone's ass-naked in the streets 1183423;1435777589;trinque;portland wants to break from the repressed sexuality of america so bad 1183424;1435777714;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182516 << wut ? lol. 1183425;1435777714;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 05:52:58; mats: driver insisted i sit in front, fist bump him, and talk the whole trip 1183426;1435777738;mats;'community ridesharing' 1183427;1435777748;mats;we're supposed to be buds 1183428;1435777749;mircea_popescu;what happened to pointing out to the driver he's to speak when spoken to. 1183429;1435777762;ascii_field;i like 'uber' more 1183430;1435777767;ascii_field;it simply took the money and ran 1183431;1435777779;mircea_popescu;quoth the runner : ubermore! 1183432;1435777780;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183410 <-- good work! Yosemite is amazing, I did some lines there years ago 1183433;1435777780;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1183434;1435777780;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 19:03:09; ag3nt_zer0: any hikers in here? just did 5 days backpacking in yosemite... unbelievable! - highly recommended 1183435;1435777788;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-06-2015#1166116 << see also 1183436;1435777788;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 15:01:15; asciilifeform: whereby a bunch of folks pretend to be an uber 'cabbie' and 'pick up' customers 1183437;1435777798;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you did cocaine off the mountain's asscrack ?! 1183438;1435777801;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.juliatourianski_.3:70bc5de51fb224a5e85a3b7da3bba658b99a22fdacd4c178f51c1206c73b308d 1183439;1435777802;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort 1183440;1435777804;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: you had asked what the hell is the sophia perennis anyway... well, a core and concise exposition of it can be found in more than a few works - here is one that stands at 134 pages and I would really love to hear some thoughts on it if you get a chance to sit down with it... if for no other reason than I struggle to find "holes" in it... http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_W 1183441;1435777806;assbot;404 - page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1f234I3 ) 1183442;1435777807;mircea_popescu;just how much was it 1183443;1435777821;funkenstein_;lol, definitely enough crack there to last a lifetime 1183444;1435777823;mircea_popescu;i had ? 1183445;1435777831;mircea_popescu;!s sophia perennis 1183446;1435777831;assbot;0 results for 'sophia perennis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sophia+perennis 1183447;1435777837;mircea_popescu;i don't think so ? 1183448;1435777882;ag3nt_zer0;maybe we were using the "perennial tradition" terms 1183449;1435777885;ag3nt_zer0;same thing 1183450;1435777890;funkenstein_;incidentally, one of the lines I did was called "the nose" 1183451;1435777915;mircea_popescu;!s perennial tradition 1183452;1435777916;assbot;0 results for 'perennial tradition' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=perennial+tradition 1183453;1435777933;mircea_popescu;suppose you actually link me ag3nt_zer0 ? 1183454;1435777966;ag3nt_zer0;I don't know how 1183455;1435777986;ag3nt_zer0;hold up 1183456;1435777990;mircea_popescu;you ever read the log ? 1183457;1435777991;funkenstein_;was linked here a couple days ago, with full url :) 1183458;1435778039;mircea_popescu;coupla monthgs ago i bought a couple of thin wooden sticks from an art store. impulse buy, i just happened to be next to them. 1183459;1435778066;mircea_popescu;i've since used them as switches, and broke them on ass. the parts i collected and since just about right thickenss, sharpened them 1183460;1435778081;mircea_popescu;and the shavings ? why, the shavings burn, creating this most pleasant wooden smoke atmosphere. 1183461;1435778085;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=perennialism 1183462;1435778086;assbot;2 results for 'perennialism' - #bitcoin-assets search 1183463;1435778089;mircea_popescu;best impulse buy ever. 1183464;1435778113;ascii_field;right thickness ? 1183465;1435778117;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-06-2015#1173212 << specifically ? 1183466;1435778117;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 03:05:44; mircea_popescu: and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ? 1183467;1435778121;mircea_popescu;ascii_field bout like a pencil 1183468;1435778123;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: yes I read the log 1183469;1435778130;ascii_field;like pencil, but cannot write ? 1183470;1435778139;ascii_field;or what, mircea_popescu took up cuneiform ? 1183471;1435778165;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: yes, specifically that 1183472;1435778175;*;ascii_field used to own such a stick, for putting maths graffiti in wet cement 1183473;1435778187;mircea_popescu;lol 1183474;1435778208;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 and your offering is a 404 ? 1183475;1435778214;*;funkenstein_ thinks ascii_field might know a thing or two about using switches 1183476;1435778232;mircea_popescu;he always struckl me like more of a semaphore kind of guy 1183477;1435778266;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182528 << me too. 1183478;1435778266;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 05:58:05; ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i dream of a world where the insurance to drive your own ass around is prohibitive for all but the ultra-rich 1183479;1435778288;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: hmmm... should be a pdf - http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.pdf 1183480;1435778291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhkQDg ) 1183481;1435778311;mircea_popescu;and what does mp say about pdfs with innerving regularity and peppered throughout teh logs ? 1183482;1435778318;ag3nt_zer0;oh 1183483;1435778321;ag3nt_zer0;sorry 1183484;1435778383;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, Rene Guenon, pico de la mirandola & friends. 1183485;1435778570;mircea_popescu;the other side of the earlier fox : http://40.media.tumblr.com/34fcf7d7d8f39cd0ae9d488aa89d714e/tumblr_nh26kcSHGN1ti99ofo2_1280.jpg 1183486;1435778571;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6W6zU ) 1183487;1435778590;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: yeah, I know. I refuse to the signal the in-tribe, and that seems to be giving him a reason to think I'm some kind of plant with an agenda. If he accepted the truth I think he'd calm down quite a bit, although at this point he'd probably never believe it. 1183488;1435778612;mircea_popescu;in the end what difference does it make. 1183489;1435778618;midnightmagic;I just read more than I comment is all. 1183490;1435778635;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1014374 << see also. 1183491;1435778635;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog" 1183492;1435778742;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999266 1183493;1435778742;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here. 1183494;1435778756;mircea_popescu;seems coherent enough. 1183495;1435778851;midnightmagic;So? Opinion doesn't mean action; and it doesn't follow that I'd waste my time reporting, or even communicating with an inverted totalitarianist state, given the literal costs of doing so in terms of freedom and money. 1183496;1435778870;ag3nt_zer0;interesting - have never heard of Mirandola referred to as a core "traditionalist" writer - Guenon, Schuon, Evola, Burkhardt and others - but not Mirandola. From a nothing read I can see a similarity in their attempt to legitimize these modalities of thought but I read that his ideas were influential in renaissance humanism which guenon appears to be highly critical of... ? 1183497;1435778890;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic you know not everyone you ever run into will like you. 1183498;1435778907;midnightmagic;Yes, I know. 1183499;1435778944;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 he's the original neoplatonician "ezoterist" or however you call this silly sort of romanticism that passes for "traditionalism" in postmodernism. 1183500;1435778960;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1183501;1435778973;ascii_field;153000+ 1183502;1435779013;mircea_popescu;evola, recently mentioned here, very much in the same vein 1183503;1435779025;*;ascii_field went once on an evola kick 1183504;1435779039;mircea_popescu;he's certainly above the usual productions of his peninsula. 1183505;1435779058;ascii_field;but it hardly gets deader than the thing that made him 1183506;1435779065;ascii_field;there is none of it to be had now. 1183507;1435779067;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: but you would consider evola "silly romanticism? 1183508;1435779077;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 quite. you wouldn't ? 1183509;1435779095;ag3nt_zer0;no i guess not 1183510;1435779146;mircea_popescu;i suppose the problem here is that to the children of today the women are grandmothers, but to they that rolled them on all their sides in the hay they'll stay about 20. 1183511;1435779163;mircea_popescu;in which line, i was recently shocked to realise my mother's retiring. when i met the woman she was young! 1183512;1435779172;ascii_field;l0l 1183513;1435779204;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201506.txt.asc 1183514;1435779205;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6XPVR ) 1183515;1435779205;scoopbot_revived;F.MPIF June 2015 trading statement http://explo.yt/post/2015/07/01/F.MPIF-June-2015-trading-statement 1183516;1435779206;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1183517;1435779211;jurov;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/attachment_e1cbe3cd7f4dececd2f4d5e8d619f57ca41ca69f.txt 1183518;1435779211;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6XQt4 ) 1183519;1435779212;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1183520;1435779248;mircea_popescu;this entire construction is pretty fuckin spiffy if i do so myself. 1183521;1435779253;*;mircea_popescu looks around rather pleased 1183522;1435779351;williamdunne;Our robot slaves treat us well 1183523;1435779355;funkenstein_;speaking of the vein of paranoia mentioned by midnightmagic, I would love some help to evaluate this comment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105109.msg11765764#msg11765764 1183524;1435779356;assbot;Coin-Vote testers wanted ... ( http://bit.ly/1f27C13 ) 1183525;1435779456;ascii_field;^ translation: 'we wanna get rich off our crackpot altcoin plz' 1183526;1435779484;ascii_field;('cryptovote' is a vastly overworked and tiresome subject in maths academia, for 20+yrs now) 1183527;1435779502;williamdunne;Pro democracy anarchist? Wut. 1183528;1435779521;mircea_popescu;is this some sort of ploy to drum up interest for tardstalk forum ? 1183529;1435779655;funkenstein_;lol, sorry.. guy kinda scared with his "you are dumber than DPR" 1183530;1435779662;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: but just becasue I do not consider it silly romanticism does not mean I could not be convinced if one were inclined to point out any inconsistencies in their thought... which is why I ask in this room... I suppose that if there were people able to help me peel back the layers a bit further, or demonstrate to me my own silly romantic tendencies that lead me to think most of this thought is "true", they migh 1183531;1435779679;ag3nt_zer0;again, I understand not having the time or patience as well... 1183532;1435779688;mircea_popescu;!gettrust ag3nt_zer0 1183533;1435779692;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/ 1183534;1435779708;mircea_popescu;why would it matter to me what you could or couldn't be ? 1183535;1435779767;ag3nt_zer0;it doesn't have to... it was out of respect that I asked 1183536;1435779803;mircea_popescu;not the point, tho. the point is, you're approaching it backwards. 1183537;1435779881;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/pss_2f32fc9570f505a65c46b118c415cae70d57d757.png << in other news, one can infer that bitcoin permanently sits down on ~300 byte per block ingested 1183538;1435779882;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtuQd ) 1183539;1435780068;mircea_popescu;padding! 1183540;1435780080;ascii_field;indices 1183541;1435780094;ascii_field;ought to move to a cached disk turd 1183542;1435780110;ascii_field;then we're left with the 30MB footprint of the bugger itself + mempools 1183543;1435780121;ascii_field;(+ said cache) 1183544;1435780237;ascii_field;incidentally, blkxxxx oughta be an mmap 1183545;1435780246;ascii_field;because we no longer are encumbered with winblowz 1183546;1435780418;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: might you offer a suggestion as to how to approach it in a more forward manner? 1183547;1435780541;ascii_field;and, for anyone who has not yet read the article: precisely same footprint ~whether blocks are eaten one by one, or bitcoind merely started with the results thereof~ 1183548;1435780545;mircea_popescu;alright. be specific, ask specific questions, construct syllogisms so that you can work tnd and the rest of the devices thought rests on... 1183549;1435780570;mircea_popescu;ascii_field padding! 1183550;1435780580;ascii_field;wut 1183551;1435780595;mircea_popescu;the unverified suspicion is that this exists as overflow protection. 1183552;1435780750;ascii_field;well we already knew that headers are stored forever in ram 1183553;1435780755;ascii_field;but this accounts for what, 81 bt ? 1183554;1435780784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00051733 = 21.8055 BTC [+] 1183555;1435780945;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: thanks. what's tnd? 1183556;1435780966;mircea_popescu;tertium non datur. 1183557;1435780988;mircea_popescu;along with reductio ad absurdum and friends, the infrastructure of all thought. 1183558;1435781003;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1183559;1435781006;ascii_field;^^^^ 1183560;1435781010;ag3nt_zer0;appreciate it 1183561;1435781042;jurov;vagina non olet 1183562;1435781055;*;ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' 1183563;1435781060;mircea_popescu;vagina olet, pecunia non clam interfecisset. 1183564;1435781090;mircea_popescu;ascii_field mere moving the gulp posts. "septimum non datur" or w/e 1183565;1435781099;ascii_field;l0lz 1183566;1435781103;mircea_popescu;the point is that unbounded lists are impermissible. 1183567;1435781114;ascii_field;tell it to hilbert & co 1183568;1435781118;mircea_popescu;i am. 1183569;1435781150;mircea_popescu;(they're not impermissible in nature - merely in thinking. you gotta know what you're talking about) 1183570;1435781190;mircea_popescu;otherwise, feel free to tell your compiler something like "so this program i wanna work on, right ? it has like a number of functions in it and stuff like that" 1183571;1435781192;ascii_field;it remains possible to deal with infinities of certain kinds whilst knowing what one is talking about 1183572;1435781199;mircea_popescu;i suppose this passes for "higher level language" in some circles. 1183573;1435781215;ascii_field;it is called 'human compiler' 1183574;1435781221;mircea_popescu;and it does what you mean! 1183575;1435781225;mircea_popescu;or else... it's mean! 1183576;1435781235;ascii_field;sorta like mold in bathtub does 'what you mean' 1183577;1435781241;mircea_popescu;aha. 1183578;1435781244;ascii_field;yes, you kinda put it there 1183579;1435781249;ascii_field;but go and try signing your name with it 1183580;1435781291;mircea_popescu;dude im sitting here cackling at my stupid latin wordplay wtf is wrong with me 1183581;1435781334;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-06-2015#1179369 << see also. 1183582;1435781334;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 21:50:42; jurov: https://lurkmore.to/Lingua_latina_non_penis_canina lmao 1183583;1435781411;mircea_popescu;anyway. vagina smells and money never hurt clams. 1183584;1435781422;mircea_popescu;cuz money IS clams 1183585;1435781425;mircea_popescu;and so are vaginas 1183586;1435781448;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.jwzguy.1:f446dc815dbbca084f820ec4495027452f793977737fde722e5409c9a99631e8 1183587;1435781448;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for jwzguy with note: met at porcfest 1183588;1435781483;williamdunne;Not all vaginas smell, so at least there's that 1183589;1435781489;mircea_popescu;yeah they do. 1183590;1435781503;danielpbarron;noses smell; vaginas stink 1183591;1435781511;williamdunne;Not all vaginas stink 1183592;1435781519;mircea_popescu;that's for sure 1183593;1435781545;williamdunne;Ok, well there's the confusion. By smell I thought you meant carries an odour 1183594;1435781582;mircea_popescu;that's what i meant. 1183595;1435781654;williamdunne;Oh, well I'll have to disagree. More often than not, at least with my (limited) experience they smell no different to the rest of whomever it belongs to 1183596;1435781663;williamdunne;Well, at least initially 1183597;1435781708;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder then that dogs don't stick the truffle straight into the girl's elbow. 1183598;1435781729;mircea_popescu;see ag3nt_zer0 ? syllogism! 1183599;1435781744;williamdunne;I'll give you that one, then again they have a slight advantage over myself when it comes to detection of it 1183600;1435781824;ag3nt_zer0;yes, fucking brilliant! 1183601;1435781888;williamdunne;b-a really helps with my vocabulary 1183602;1435781897;mircea_popescu;you didn't know it was called a truffle ? 1183603;1435782081;williamdunne;No, syllogism 1183604;1435782217;williamdunne;And a perfect example was provided with it 1183605;1435782383;mircea_popescu;ah 1183606;1435782553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 46850 @ 0.0003432 = 16.0789 BTC [+] 1183607;1435782701;mats;that was unexpected 1183608;1435782895;danielpbarron;deedbot-, http://danielpbarron.com/blk.asc.txt 1183609;1435782896;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ktvg3x ) 1183610;1435782897;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1183611;1435782941;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182882 <<< it gets better lol http://qntra.net/2015/07/qntra-s-qntr-june-2015-statement/#comments 1183612;1435782941;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 16:08:00; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/#comment-29482 << can't tell if serious... 1183613;1435782942;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2015 Statement | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ktvibw ) 1183614;1435783407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00051278 = 8.6147 BTC [-] 1183615;1435783541;scoopbot_revived;Europol & Eurojust Take Down Cybercriminal Group http://qntra.net/2015/07/europol-eurojust-take-down-cybercriminal-group/ 1183616;1435783565;lobbes;lol, qntra rabbit ain't giving in to federal pressure: http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg 1183617;1435783566;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dktinq ) 1183618;1435783685;williamdunne;Is there some back story to the Qntra rabbit? 1183619;1435783710;danielpbarron;just like qntra, the rabbit is now a part of cazalla 1183620;1435783798;cazalla;williamdunne, not really, if the rabbit mascot was still alive i'd have named him dixie 1183621;1435783825;mircea_popescu;terrorabbit 1183622;1435783914;cazalla;perhaps i'm still at that juvenile stage in my life where if someone tells me i can't have something (flag in this instance) i want it all the more 1183623;1435783969;mircea_popescu;they need to confront their impotence 1183624;1435783982;mircea_popescu;they need to confront it insistently and constantly. 1183625;1435784037;scoopbot_revived;Malware Ring Participants Arrested http://qntra.net/2015/07/malware-ring-participants-arrested/ 1183626;1435784061;cazalla;lol i put it up no less than 5 minutes ago BingoBoingo 1183627;1435784081;BingoBoingo;Ah, dammit 1183628;1435784200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152000 @ 0.00050558 = 76.8482 BTC [-] {3} 1183629;1435784924;pete_dushenski;cazalla: just noticed a typo there ... "cybercrimial" instead of "cybercriminal" in the opening sentence. fix plox :) 1183630;1435784934;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: ^ 1183631;1435784968;cazalla;pete_dushenski, fixed (i do read em before publishing but it's early :P ) 1183632;1435784985;pete_dushenski;cazalla: lol cheers mate 1183633;1435785004;pete_dushenski;o hey liking the new bunny header 1183634;1435785032;pete_dushenski;that's some handy dandy photoshwappin' 1183635;1435785357;cazalla;pete_dushenski, gimp and trademarks are not verbs dude http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressmaterials/pdfs/photoshop_guidelines_pr.pdf "For example: "The image was enhanced using Adobe Photoshop software." not . . . "The image was photoshopped." 1183636;1435785358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHwWe ) 1183637;1435785412;pete_dushenski;eh fuck that. i make my own words. 1183638;1435785417;*;danielpbarron gimped a confed flag into his twitter pic 1183639;1435785447;*;pete_dushenski checks dpb twitter 1183640;1435785452;pete_dushenski;lulz 1183641;1435785477;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1183642;1435785479;ascii_field;achtung, panzers! 1183643;1435785481;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: 1183644;1435785482;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html 1183645;1435785487;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHIVi ) 1183646;1435785489;ascii_field;'Here is a 'blkcut' utility. Cuts or counts.' 1183647;1435785502;mircea_popescu;haha 1183648;1435785508;mircea_popescu;made your own dulap have you 1183649;1435785513;ascii_field;schlllp. 1183650;1435785515;ascii_field;aha 1183651;1435785538;mircea_popescu;cazalla you knbow why they're pushing that right ? 1183652;1435785542;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: re: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/614855224864448513 << is this the same rassah from the ol' 'mycelium knows how to make rng for their entropy dongle now but won't because it's hard and other reasons' ? 1183653;1435785544;ascii_field;exercise for reader: 1183654;1435785547;ascii_field;make it hash'em 1183655;1435785550;ascii_field;instead of dumping 1183656;1435785559;shinohai;So this is a separate utility? 1183657;1435785566;ascii_field;yes 1183658;1435785568;ascii_field;1pager 1183659;1435785572;shinohai;^____________^ 1183660;1435785573;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/ 1183661;1435785574;assbot;Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn’t. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHQEr ) 1183662;1435785575;ascii_field;nothing earth-shaking here 1183663;1435785585;ascii_field;but afaik there was no simple, fast cutter 1183664;1435785586;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i can't imagine why tbh, the word is as synonymous to search as is google 1183665;1435785588;ascii_field;so here's one 1183666;1435785631;shinohai;I hate webchat, my shell got klined 1183667;1435785670;ascii_field;at any rate, you can call sha256sum on the resulting dir tree 1183668;1435785672;ascii_field;and get hashes 1183669;1435785674;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^ 1183670;1435785679;mod6;ascii_field: re: blkcut, neat! 1183671;1435785681;ascii_field;or anybody who gives a fuc 1183672;1435785690;mircea_popescu;cazalla if it's ruled a genericized term they lose the trademark. 1183673;1435785725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40658 @ 0.00049896 = 20.2867 BTC [-] 1183674;1435785727;mircea_popescu;hence "The image was enhanced using Adobe Photoshop" 1183675;1435785741;mircea_popescu;they'd put a in the if somehow it were feasible. 1183676;1435785769;cazalla;ah so really nothing more than token measure by legal derpartment to ensure they maintain the trademark? 1183677;1435785806;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, it's the same rassah that's in the WoT, so... probably the same guy? 1183678;1435785819;danielpbarron;reminds me i should give him a +1 or something 1183679;1435785828;mircea_popescu;more like pissing in the wind 1183680;1435785833;danielpbarron;he was one of the less annoying people I met last week 1183681;1435785838;pete_dushenski;!gettrust rassah 1183682;1435785838;assbot;Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=rassah | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rassah/ 1183683;1435785838;mircea_popescu;it doesn't matter what they say, if people use it as a generic term that's that. 1183684;1435785904;ascii_field;so, it is now possible to sync directly from a sliced-up blkxxxxx dir 1183685;1435785914;ascii_field;and theoretically end up with SAME blkxxxxx dir that you ate 1183686;1435785923;ascii_field;e.g., mircea_popescu's 'as it happened' bins 1183687;1435785928;ascii_field;(if he decides to post'em) 1183688;1435785935;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/07/europol-eurojust-take-down-cybercriminal-group/ << i don't get it, is this the same zeus that's been around for 10+ years ? 1183689;1435785936;assbot;Europol & Eurojust Take Down Cybercriminal Group | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOIguc ) 1183690;1435785985;mircea_popescu;ascii_field kinda too lazy to figure out how you start a torrent, and how the fuck am i going to serve 50gb dishes to the public ? 1183691;1435786003;ascii_field;the point, if anyone doesn't get it, is to hunt for nondeterminism ~anywhere~ in bitcoin 1183692;1435786007;ascii_field;where it oughtn't to be 1183693;1435786007;shinohai;You need a blockchain torrent? 1183694;1435786014;danielpbarron;> While I was away from the computer when Rassah finally stopped derping about "escrowless" escrow and his 1,000 BTC Prius and got down to business, here's what transpired when he did. << lol I got to see that thing in person and hear the "story" behind it 1183695;1435786049;ascii_field;yeah it'd have to be a torrent 1183696;1435786061;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah, guy's been around forever, i recall his story about selling out at the top cca $13 1183697;1435786064;danielpbarron;basically was "at least I didn't lose the 1k in mt gox" 1183698;1435786098;shinohai;making torrents is easy. Huge file, but doable 1183699;1435786110;danielpbarron;there's a t-shirt: "Mt. Gox went bankrupt and all I got was this lousy Prius." 1183700;1435786123;ascii_field;could also slice'em up with blkcut and serve as http! 1183701;1435786148;ascii_field;whoever wants, can download with script as he needs them 1183702;1435786257;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: same zues, yes. 1183703;1435786269;pete_dushenski;zeus* 1183704;1435786285;shinohai;how small can u make the files with blkcut ascii_field 1183705;1435786295;shinohai;and do i have to reassemble ? 1183706;1435786302;ascii_field;shinohai: eat one is entirely the size of the respective block 1183707;1435786307;ascii_field;however large it was 1183708;1435786309;ascii_field;this is elementary 1183709;1435786317;trinque;it's really called europol and eurojust? 1183710;1435786318;mircea_popescu;lol ok, good that they caught that zeus villain then 1183711;1435786322;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1183712;1435786324;shinohai;>.< 1183713;1435786328;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: at one point observed that 9 out of 10 malware samples i got to reverse were zeus variants 1183714;1435786329;mircea_popescu;euros have the most idiotic name shcemes. 1183715;1435786335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78644 @ 0.00051322 = 40.3617 BTC [+] {2} 1183716;1435786336;trinque;grexit! 1183717;1435786346;trinque;fucking moronic political neologisms 1183718;1435786347;ascii_field;incidentally the src of zeus was leaked long ago 1183719;1435786349;ascii_field;hence the variants 1183720;1435786355;trinque;at least our turd politicians aren't even clever enough to make those 1183721;1435786362;scoopbot_revived;MiniGame (S.MG), June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/ 1183722;1435786365;ascii_field;nothing earth-shaking, just a complete trojan system for idiots 1183723;1435786368;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: hades is in chains. 1183724;1435786378;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: that's... a lot. 1183725;1435786420;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.rassah.1:7d0963bfd9127d46031ea0f8bac168d9f8bb3a63d299918d83ce747fb96eb2f7 1183726;1435786421;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for rassah with note: met at porcfest 1183727;1435786454;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183705 << bitcoin will reassemble 1183728;1435786454;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 21:31:35; shinohai: and do i have to reassemble ? 1183729;1435786460;ascii_field;that's sorta the whole point 1183730;1435786478;ascii_field;load, feed into your eater 1183731;1435786498;ascii_field;at the end of the day, your ~/.bitcoin and other fella's should be identical. 1183732;1435786502;ascii_field;(save for debug.log) 1183733;1435786567;ascii_field;the only reason to do this, other than pgp-hardened out of band syncs, is to make your bitcoind walk the same logic path as other fella's 1183734;1435786572;ascii_field;(or your own from past) 1183735;1435786574;ascii_field;to test. 1183736;1435786635;*;ascii_field washes chopping block, picks up gavin feathers 1183737;1435786714;pete_dushenski;lol time to make a headdress, chief. 1183738;1435786736;ascii_field;when i've the whole set! 1183739;1435786765;pete_dushenski;to be donned at the annual ceremony where we'll burn more of mp's woodchips, 1183740;1435786773;mircea_popescu;stick shavings. 1183741;1435786782;pete_dushenski;stick shavings then. 1183742;1435786841;danielpbarron;the link to the file on my site is missing the 'h' from 'http' but i'm not sure i want to know what happens to my connection if that's corrected :/ 1183743;1435786844;pete_dushenski;and chant the cultiest chant there ever was while nubile princesses dance around our circle 1183744;1435786897;mircea_popescu;lol then i guess i leave it ? 1183745;1435786924;mircea_popescu;nothing'll happen, you're hosting a text file. 1183746;1435786934;mircea_popescu;problems mostly occur to idiots with a ton of js wrapped in who knows what 1183747;1435787025;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Tim Fiedler ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Tim Fiedler ; ) bootstrap.dat 1183853;1435791962;jurov;when later i got my hands on perma connection, UO's star faded or whatever 1183854;1435792521;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183832 << pretty basic. figured - ~somebody~ has to do that chore 1183855;1435792521;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 22:55:38; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this is lovely shit. 1183856;1435792535;asciilifeform;but now other folks are invited to repeat the experiment 1183857;1435792619;asciilifeform;next one (after i finish my broadcast..) will involve igprof per-function (yes) snapshots / block 1183858;1435792649;mircea_popescu;cool beans/ 1183859;1435792679;asciilifeform;the 30M baseline is jaw-dropping imho 1183860;1435792683;asciilifeform;i mean, wtf 1183861;1435792726;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183841 << eh, the 'too many joules' crowd has been going for ~2y+ now 1183862;1435792726;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 23:01:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note how smoothly the man switched from "we've always said bitcoin has to have larger blocks" to "we;ve always said bitcoin is using up too much electricity" in midsentence! 1183863;1435792735;asciilifeform;just on the envirowhiner-left side 1183864;1435792746;asciilifeform;(somehow al gore's jet is not counted as waste of joules, no) 1183865;1435792799;asciilifeform;student exercise: calculate joules/sec of herr gore's jet, and translate into gigahash 1183866;1435792810;scoopbot_revived;Jerry Seinfeld's Guide For Aspiring Stand-Up Comedians. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/01/jerry-seinfelds-guide-for-aspiring-stand-up-comedians/ 1183867;1435792841;mircea_popescu;"1. be as bland as possible ; 2. find an insecure fuckwit to leech off ; 3. get lucky" 1183868;1435792851;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183843 << i don't recall what was in this 1183869;1435792851;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 23:03:08; jurov: do you plan to kep it compatible with phoundation bootstrap.dat? 1183870;1435792908;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: bah, ya cynic. 1183871;1435792908;jurov;they say it's just <4-byte pchMessageStart><32-bit length> 1183872;1435792926;mircea_popescu;hehehe 1183873;1435792935;asciilifeform;same as blkxxxx then ? 1183874;1435792967;asciilifeform;^ try cutting one of them with http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html 1183875;1435792968;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVJXd3 ) 1183876;1435792971;asciilifeform;if cuts, then same format ! 1183877;1435792984;pete_dushenski;lol well, with two articles published today, ima sign off for the eve. a river cruise and fireworks await. cheers ! 1183878;1435792995;mircea_popescu;whereas i am going to go play my game 1183879;1435793001;mircea_popescu;except i mean that literally. 1183880;1435793010;*;asciilifeform off to eat caek 1183881;1435793828;trinque;http://www.ft.com/fastft/353721/worker-killed-volkswagen-robot-accident << "VW said the robot had not suffered a technical defect." << LOL! 1183882;1435793828;assbot;Worker killed in Volkswagen robot accident - fastFT: Market-moving news and views, 24 hours a day - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVLaRo ) 1183883;1435793865;trinque;gonna need security cam footage of this 1183884;1435794416;williamdunne;trinque: The guy walked into the security enclosure while the machine was operating 1183885;1435794417;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183815 << mno. that thing has an almost-new 1tb 'samsung' ssd, half-full 1183886;1435794417;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 22:49:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182720 << disk prolly skipped. 1183887;1435794467;trinque;williamdunne: yeah, I'm just amused as shit at the thought of some german guy shouting "EVERYSING IS VURKING ACCORDINK TO SPECIFICATION!" 1183888;1435794486;trinque;ZEE NORDIK SYSTEM IS VURKINK! 1183889;1435794486;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week 1183890;1435794486;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 23:46:56; williamdunne: trinque: The guy walked into the security enclosure while the machine was operating 1183891;1435794496;asciilifeform;but when 'robot!111!!!1!11' suddenly - news. 1183892;1435794502;williamdunne;Exactly 1183893;1435794511;williamdunne;trinque: Das ist gut, ya? 1183894;1435794563;*;asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done 1183895;1435794619;asciilifeform;(it was a stationary laboratory robot, ~2x1x1 metres. so all that was at stake was an odd hand or two) 1183896;1435794694;williamdunne;I could put up with losing my legs, but I would be fucked if I lost my hands 1183897;1435794705;asciilifeform;so don't lose'em 1183898;1435794730;asciilifeform;at any rate, more folks lose hands from ordinary qwerty than from any robot 1183899;1435794764;asciilifeform;pc keyboard, esp. the piece of shit most folks use, is a veritable 'dulap' for hands, yes 1183900;1435794772;mats;type with your feet! 1183901;1435794872;asciilifeform;with cock if you like 1183902;1435794895;asciilifeform;(or physicist s. hawking's rumoured arse joystick!) 1183903;1435794994;mats;how would that work? morse code? 1183904;1435795079;asciilifeform;ask'im 1183905;1435795160;williamdunne;I think its up-down 1183906;1435795166;williamdunne;So top half of alphabet 1183907;1435795169;williamdunne;Bottom half 1183908;1435795171;williamdunne;And keeps refining 1183909;1435795174;williamdunne;But could be wrong 1183910;1435795193;asciilifeform;or plain old morse 1183911;1435795219;asciilifeform;lesson: design your arsestick ~before~ you need it! 1183912;1435795241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241450 @ 0.00048227 = 116.4441 BTC [-] {5} 1183913;1435795317;williamdunne;Oh, its actually more simplistic than that 1183914;1435795318;williamdunne;http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html 1183915;1435795319;assbot;The Computer - Stephen Hawking ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVNzeX ) 1183916;1435795382;asciilifeform;l0l, 'eudora' still exists!? 1183917;1435795413;*;asciilifeform remembers it from his first commercial isp account 1183918;1435795417;asciilifeform;win 3.1 1183919;1435795954;asciilifeform;https://www.kernel.org/doc/gorman/html/understand/understand006.html << for anyone struggling to make sense of http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html 1183920;1435795956;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVORGQ ) 1183921;1435795957;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVORGU ) 1183922;1435796008;asciilifeform;https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt << see also. 1183923;1435796009;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVOUlS ) 1183924;1435796103;phf;asciilifeform: i did blockdump on 0..217336 and all the checksums come out to what's in sums.txt.gz. i'm going to eatblock them with a fresh datadir 1183925;1435796134;asciilifeform;phf: what kind of node was it ? 1183926;1435796141;asciilifeform;and when/where synced 1183927;1435796246;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=425201762403 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine 1184000;1435807187;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 15:45:52; assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski 1184001;1435807339;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context? 1184002;1435807339;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 16:46:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181835 << that's really not the best idea. make it a hammoc, something. 1184003;1435807344;ben_vulpes;people raise such idiots 1184004;1435807549;funkenstein_;mats, if interested, for completeness, https://web.archive.org/web/20030210220533/http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm 1184005;1435807551;assbot;New Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ekNzKi ) 1184006;1435807605;funkenstein_;it's all public, old, and fiction. great writer though. 1184007;1435808214;mats;i miss blowing things up 1184008;1435808844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00050398 = 40.3184 BTC [+] 1184009;1435809069;ben_vulpes; who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command? 1184010;1435809127;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm 1184011;1435809130;assbot;MICRO NUKES IN LONDON ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3umOp ) 1184012;1435809164;asciilifeform;'The April 1993 bomb was supposedly detonated in a parked garbage truck, but managed to create a huge crater in the road that was subsequently filmed by the media: another crucial error confirmed by independent explosives experts in Australia. The blast from most bombs takes the easiest path, in this case outwards then upwards to atmosphere. The crater could only have appeared if the bomb was dropped from an aircraft, or was b 1184013;1435809165;asciilifeform;uried in advance. Forget the "garbage truck", which was merely a decoy device. The crater is very impressive, measuring roughly forty feet deep by sixty feet in diameter.' 1184014;1435809262;asciilifeform;'... On the available evidence it seems the aspirations of a small arrogant bunch of men who decided to impose a "New World Order'" on a host of very unwilling small sovereign nations, did not think the exercise through to its perhaps inevitable conclusion. Those same arrogant men have placed tens of millions of citizens at risk because of their own gross incompetence and thirst for absolute power. The "New World Order" now se 1184015;1435809263;asciilifeform;ems set to face the unbridled wrath of large numbers of citizens for many years to come.' 1184016;1435809437;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183998 << author argues (in piece linked above) that the 'dirty bomb' meme was a fiction crafted as a pill against just this. 1184017;1435809437;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:44; mats: and you'd not be able to hide rad signatures from anybody bothering to look, i would think 1184018;1435809642;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes still awake ? 1184019;1435810011;mats;lol 1184020;1435810043;*;asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's shockwave sensor gadget (see old thread) has a dial mark for 'nuke' 1184021;1435810053;mats;http://jelmertiete.com/2015/06/30/Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650 1184022;1435810054;assbot;Difference between CC2630 and CC2650 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3wC8e ) 1184023;1435810120;decimation;asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies 1184024;1435810133;asciilifeform;mats: absolute sop. this practice dates back to at least the '486 sx' 1184025;1435810134;decimation;plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground 1184026;1435810188;asciilifeform;decimation: sorta like the notion that lead smelter in your back yard is no problem, because lead is found in the earth anyway 1184027;1435810305;asciilifeform;anyway the traditional narrative re: 'dirty bombz' is that the builder would use short-lived, highly-energetic isotopes, of the kind shipped out to specially-designated junkyards by the tonne from your local biotech zone 1184028;1435810358;decimation;actually molten lead is pretty harmless 1184029;1435810365;decimation;it's lead ingestion that's th eproblem 1184030;1435810383;decimation;asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy 1184031;1435810436;asciilifeform;when i was a student at 'nih', the story went that 'there was no serious bureaucracy surrounding lab waste until the p32-in-the-water-cooler incident' 1184032;1435810516;asciilifeform;mats: at this point it is rare for a commercial ic ~not~ to have functionality antifused out depending on product 'grade' 1184033;1435810549;decimation;yeah it's just too expensive to make lots of masks 1184034;1435810551;mats;right 1184035;1435810582;asciilifeform;to tie the two subjects together, it is very difficult for the amateur ic decapping enthusiast to buy hno3. 1184036;1435810585;asciilifeform;(in usa) 1184037;1435810678;decimation;you can make it yourself I think 1184038;1435810680;decimation;if you are nuts 1184039;1435810683;asciilifeform;you can make whatever. 1184040;1435810686;asciilifeform;just takes time. 1184041;1435810761;*;asciilifeform wonders about laser decapping 1184042;1435810796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00049705 = 26.9898 BTC [-] 1184043;1435810837;asciilifeform;speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle 1184044;1435810878;*;asciilifeform has not personally attempted this 1184045;1435811001;decimation;lol 1184046;1435811021;decimation;so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts? 1184047;1435811031;asciilifeform;aha 1184048;1435811040;asciilifeform;main problem, as i understand, is reflectivity of the metal 1184049;1435811060;asciilifeform;that, and the good heat conduction 1184050;1435811096;asciilifeform;dark-coloured items with poor heat conductivity - e.g., stone - cut well. 1184051;1435811125;asciilifeform;(though you get problems with stress fractures.) 1184052;1435811216;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=301&v=2yE7v4wkuZU < how to make fuming hno3 1184053;1435811217;assbot;Make Nitric Acid - The Complete Guide - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zAtr ) 1184054;1435811231;asciilifeform;http://jelmertiete.com/images/2015-06-30-Difference-between-CC2630-and-CC2650-18-small.jpg << balun 1184055;1435811233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zBNZ ) 1184056;1435811241;asciilifeform;(author did not identify it) 1184057;1435811253;decimation;asciilifeform: reflected multi-watt laser burns yer eye out 1184058;1435811263;asciilifeform;decimation: in box 1184059;1435811276;asciilifeform;problem is, your destroy mirrors, or - if very 'lucky' - your tube 1184060;1435811288;asciilifeform;the mirrors are, typically, a benjie or so each 1184061;1435811298;decimation;asciilifeform: it might be an inductor 1184062;1435811304;asciilifeform;which is not even the worst part, but the chore of aligning the replacements 1184063;1435811305;decimation;damn that's alot of cash for optics 1184064;1435811341;asciilifeform;typically rare earths 1184065;1435811393;decimation;I imagine it needs to be exotic to hold up to that kind of energy 1184066;1435811395;decimation;https://cbi-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/unbundlinghoneywell2.jpg 1184067;1435811397;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zYYI ) 1184068;1435811407;decimation;^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron 1184069;1435811527;decimation;the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets 1184070;1435811536;decimation;it will control per-room temps on demand. 1184071;1435811572;decimation;which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems 1184072;1435811640;asciilifeform;i do a low-tech orc version of this 1184073;1435811643;asciilifeform;with bare hands. 1184074;1435811662;asciilifeform;no ipNohe-controlled servo needed. 1184075;1435811694;decimation;aye me too 1184076;1435811965;decimation;actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents 1184077;1435813724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116550 @ 0.00048234 = 56.2167 BTC [-] {2} 1184078;1435816408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00048697 = 37.448 BTC [+] {2} 1184079;1435816774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00048723 = 29.5261 BTC [+] 1184080;1435817089;ben_vulpes; ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd << one stops being surprised eventually 1184081;1435817502;ben_vulpes; (thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src) << i missed this, somehow. link me? 1184082;1435821715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.00047682 = 41.5072 BTC [-] {2} 1184083;1435822606;ben_vulpes; yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. << linux's fate: hosting bitcoin. 1184084;1435822622;ben_vulpes;neat parallels to parasitism in nature. 1184085;1435822968;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story 1184086;1435822968;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort 1184087;1435823424;ben_vulpes;* ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' << never have i been so hooked on so much promiseware 1184088;1435823829;mats;lol @ rating 1184089;1435823905;mats;;;ticker --bitstamp 1184090;1435823906;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message) 1184091;1435823928;mats;;;ticker --market bitstamp 1184092;1435823929;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.09, Best ask: 255.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 255.1, 24 hour volume: 13766.60354772, 24 hour low: 253.81, 24 hour high: 260.89, 24 hour vwap: 257.267613042 1184093;1435823939;mats;it slides 1184094;1435823988;mats;speculators figured out greeks won't be buying coins huh 1184095;1435824057;shinohai`;The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such. 1184096;1435824644;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183894 << see i did the same thing but with a motoman up20, and only for like a day 1184097;1435824644;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done 1184098;1435824679;ben_vulpes;only way to get work done with *that* kind of robot is to put it into slow mode and hold dead-man switch 1184099;1435824783;ben_vulpes;i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me 1184100;1435824794;ben_vulpes;fun with coordinate system transforms! 1184101;1435824929;ben_vulpes; bonus points for testing on heathen compilers << rather 1184102;1435824941;ben_vulpes;i never got the static build on os x 1184103;1435825307;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184010 << served me this little wonder http://imgur.com/7aMTNRJ 1184104;1435825307;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 03:52:07; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm 1184105;1435825308;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2wjU8 ) 1184106;1435826122;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=725849473193 (Matthias Schmidt ; ) 1184107;1435826125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS ) 1184108;1435826154;punkman;lots of cosmic rays in germany eh 1184109;1435827327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.0004816 = 55.3358 BTC [+] {3} 1184110;1435829256;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=9 (Richard Monk ; ) 1184111;1435829258;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CczeuL ) 1184112;1435829401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2} 1184113;1435829471;shinohai;What the hell happened in Alemania ? 1184114;1435830072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00049671 = 11.6727 BTC [+] 1184115;1435830688;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/Wz48TiO.png 1184116;1435830689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcCXIH ) 1184117;1435832837;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=47244640267 (Carsten Lenz ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=33281701584453 (Carsten Lenz ; ) .> 1184142;1435842105;ronaz;on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients 1184143;1435842117;ronaz;ahh. i have the wot account from 2012 1184144;1435842137;ronaz;i wonder if i would find the key to sign myself in 1184145;1435842138;punkman;;;gettrust ronaz 1184146;1435842138;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user ronaz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=ronaz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronaz | Rated since: Wed Feb 19 00:42:51 2014 1184147;1435842181;punkman;you will need a GPG key to register with assbot 1184148;1435842188;punkman;!help 1184149;1435842188;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1184150;1435842189;ronaz;yup 1184151;1435842206;ronaz;thanks for help 1184152;1435842272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100756 @ 0.00048186 = 48.5503 BTC [+] {5} 1184153;1435842276;ronaz;punkman: on brolering side we have had over 30 000 individual clients and thus can claim to be a key player in Nordic BTC brokering 1184154;1435842330;punkman;how does it work? 1184155;1435842405;ronaz;creater order at website, pay through bank account transfer, and we check accounts three times pee day and run a batch for paid orders 1184156;1435842435;punkman;so you handle both fiat and bitcoin? 1184157;1435842446;ronaz;ye 1184158;1435842463;punkman;!up ronaz 1184159;1435842529;punkman;do you have an orderbook? 1184160;1435842556;ronaz;no not a public one 1184161;1435842572;ronaz;we do match orders and sells according to spot on exchange 1184162;1435842613;ronaz;*buys and sells 1184163;1435842629;punkman;which exchange? 1184164;1435842644;ronaz;mostly stamp 1184165;1435842723;punkman;is this to get around regulation related to exchanges? 1184166;1435842736;ronaz;no 1184167;1435842774;ronaz;one is to avoid providing a wallet service 1184168;1435842823;punkman;oh so you only handle the bitcoins for a short period? 1184169;1435842831;ronaz;yaman 1184170;1435842922;ronaz;so how are involved in Bitcoin business scene yourself? 1184171;1435842990;punkman;not involved in any bitcoin business for the time being 1184172;1435843061;ronaz;market sentiment has beem bad for volumes for 1,5 years :'( 1184173;1435843109;punkman;don't tell me you are brokering bitcents 1184174;1435843259;ronaz;20 eur minimum so yeah i guess 1184175;1435843302;punkman;is there a maximum? 1184176;1435845322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131107 @ 0.00049874 = 65.3883 BTC [+] {3} 1184177;1435845688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.00051364 = 43.608 BTC [+] {3} 1184178;1435849968;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu incoming gpg - june broadcast. 1184179;1435849968;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1184180;1435851117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130108 @ 0.00051836 = 67.4428 BTC [+] {3} 1184181;1435852309;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick 1184182;1435852309;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story 1184183;1435852337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2169 @ 0.00052466 = 1.138 BTC [+] 1184184;1435852412;shinohai;o/ danielpbarron 1184185;1435852459;danielpbarron;hi there 1184186;1435852519;shinohai;epic twitter avatar you are using now 1184187;1435852550;danielpbarron;I usually don't go along with those "change your profile pic to show support" things, but when I saw the qntra bunny... 1184188;1435852607;shinohai;If mircea_popescu changes the trilema background to that flag, I'll do it. 1184189;1435852614;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Carl Christoph Leimbrock ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Carl Christoph Leimbrock ; ) affecting 1184243;1435854757;decimation;no human could possibly manage the official federal government 1184244;1435854768;decimation;not to mention the vast unofficial government 1184245;1435854779;decimation;so it splits into fiefdoms 1184246;1435854829;ben_vulpes;and perhaps this is the hallmark of fascist states - how would I know, only recently having started to crawl out from under my brainwashing - that they can't possibly deliver on their promises of complete surveillance (let's just take tax collection for one tiny slice of the thing), but they freeze any individuals assets on a whim to prevent their fighting back on tax charges. 1184247;1435854863;ben_vulpes;and so everyone quakes in their boots and lines up to pay or report their neighbors or whatever it is that they want today 1184248;1435855097;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys. 1184249;1435855198;ben_vulpes;this torture won't be performed by the usg, but regular ol' bandits. 1184250;1435855211;ben_vulpes;by the time that happens, the two'll be indistinguishable. 1184251;1435855688;decimation;yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway 1184252;1435855692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68348 @ 0.0005266 = 35.9921 BTC [-] 1184253;1435855698;decimation;look at the report released by the senate on the torture of terrorists 1184254;1435855702;decimation;it was a mickey mouse operation 1184255;1435855779;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps 1184256;1435855779;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 06:17:16; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P 1184257;1435855901;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171902 << i prepared beforehand, a plastic gallon milk jug with most of the top cut out, for the purpose of vomiting without having to crawl to the bathroom 1184258;1435855901;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 06:23:08; BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time 1184259;1435856245;kakobrekla;wait i thought drugs were suppose to make one feel better, not worse? 1184260;1435856444;danielpbarron;i guess bingo has different genetics or something, but for me the vomiting is short lasting and not the focus of the experience 1184261;1435856460;danielpbarron;not that i recommend abusing otc cough suppressants 1184262;1435856582;mats;lol 1184263;1435857522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0005266 = 11.9644 BTC [-] 1184264;1435858082;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1184265;1435858110;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu node syncs without burping since sundown last night, and presently, 280480+ 1184266;1435858110;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1184267;1435858160;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what sort of speed ? 1184268;1435858204;ascii_field;approx same speed as when i sync from own lan 1184269;1435858213;ascii_field;i.e. cpu-bound 1184270;1435858312;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184251 << see the 'coke machine' thread 1184271;1435858312;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 16:48:08; decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway 1184272;1435858358;mircea_popescu;haha perfect. 1184273;1435858359;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184248 << 'until you give up' - l0l! it makes zero game-theoretical sense for them to ever stop until you're mincemeat 1184274;1435858359;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys. 1184275;1435858383;mircea_popescu;ascii_field or for you, for that matter. 1184276;1435858390;ascii_field;(ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!) 1184277;1435858390;mircea_popescu;hence the entire line on trilema re herr flondor. 1184278;1435858424;mircea_popescu;the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world. 1184279;1435858427;mircea_popescu;until such happens... 1184280;1435858467;decimation;note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board 1184281;1435858481;decimation;in case you forget who calls the shots 1184282;1435858507;decimation;at least, with respect to the project of making the president appear in charge 1184283;1435858523;ascii_field;'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.' 1184284;1435858573;decimation;ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles 1184285;1435859208;shinohai;I want to try and run a node on this xD https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/ 1184286;1435859209;assbot;Bitnodes Hardware - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzB2hQ ) 1184287;1435859261;ascii_field;shinohai: why? 1184288;1435859267;ascii_field;that thing costs literally 10x a pogo 1184289;1435859283;ascii_field;~and~ your purchase supports satan. 1184290;1435859320;shinohai;true. I found a pogo on craigslist *with* a HDD 1184291;1435859334;shinohai;even though i have like 4 1184292;1435859339;ascii_field;speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even 1184293;1435859390;jurov;anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe? 1184294;1435859426;ascii_field;jurov: i gave a few to davout, ask him if he'll part with one or two 1184295;1435859472;shinohai;I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt 1184296;1435859489;shinohai;I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece. 1184297;1435859539;ascii_field;shinohai: it all started with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988286 1184298;1435859539;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2015 19:36:33; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time. 1184299;1435859559;mircea_popescu;aha. 1184300;1435859570;shinohai;I had tried to do that with DD-WRT xD 1184301;1435859596;shinohai;just no place to store teh blockchain on my router 1184302;1435859633;ascii_field;shinohai: trick was that you need a 'nas' box, not router 1184303;1435859637;ascii_field;so then i found one 1184304;1435859725;shinohai;I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic 1184305;1435859746;ben_vulpes;problem is chips not boxes 1184306;1435859781;ascii_field;shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina 1184307;1435859817;ascii_field;and dc power brick 1184308;1435859903;shinohai;I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage. 1184309;1435859923;shinohai;So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them 1184310;1435860128;shinohai;I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well. 1184311;1435860156;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1184312;1435860162;ascii_field;shinohai: what's that 1184313;1435860183;shinohai;electrum bitcoin wallet 1184314;1435860187;ascii_field;what i mean is, 1184315;1435860195;ascii_field;why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home. 1184316;1435860234;shinohai;I dunno, BingoBoingo brought it up and I started playing with it. 1184317;1435860248;shinohai;Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken 1184318;1435860278;ascii_field;the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction. 1184319;1435860326;ascii_field;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-038-049.pdf << carl force plea 1184320;1435860331;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1184321;1435860358;shinohai;I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D 1184322;1435860674;trinque;ascii_field: what a hilariously inept crooked bastard. 1184323;1435860701;trinque;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nob 1184324;1435860702;assbot;Urban Dictionary: nob ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEt8n ) 1184325;1435860814;ascii_field;force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place' 1184326;1435860836;ascii_field;the annointed 'plum book' folks can take bribe, extort, to their heart's delight 1184327;1435860852;ascii_field;so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy 1184328;1435860853;mod6;ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator 1184329;1435860866;ascii_field;mod6: neato 1184330;1435860877;ascii_field;mod6: make sure you '-connect' 1184331;1435860885;ascii_field;rather than -addseed 1184332;1435860909;mod6;yeah? i used -addnode 1184333;1435860924;ascii_field;mod6: if so, you're almost certainly pulling from some random schmuck 1184334;1435860946;ascii_field;(one of my planned but yet-unwritten patches is a mechanism for fine-grained sync control) 1184335;1435860984;mod6;the reason i did is because of: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html 1184336;1435860986;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEWHC ) 1184337;1435860998;ascii_field;presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut' 1184338;1435861028;mod6;you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode. 1184339;1435861046;mod6;anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :] 1184340;1435861050;mod6;glad i asked! 1184341;1435861063;ascii_field;the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible 1184342;1435861068;ascii_field;and arbitrarily cycles between them 1184343;1435861071;ascii_field;whenever one disconnects 1184344;1435861089;ascii_field;'-connect' enables syncing from ~precisely one~ ip 1184345;1435861102;ascii_field;(though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water) 1184346;1435861107;ascii_field;^ another thing to fix 1184347;1435861119;trinque;the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing 1184348;1435861149;ascii_field;trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds) 1184349;1435861150;trinque;maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there 1184350;1435861161;trinque;I haven't written c++ in about 8 years 1184351;1435861174;trinque;wanna start getting my hands dirty 1184352;1435861186;ascii_field;trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway 1184353;1435861248;mod6;ascii_field: ok, all set. running & sync'ing actively with: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=W.X.Y.Z -connect=M.P.I.P & 1184354;1435861259;ascii_field;neat 1184355;1435861270;ascii_field;how many blocks in ? 1184356;1435861295;mod6;20k 1184357;1435861324;ascii_field;any stalls ? 1184358;1435861333;trinque;I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with 1184359;1435861333;mod6;not yet. 1184360;1435861349;mod6;i need to get MY pogo going! lol. it's just been sitting here in a box. 1184361;1435861357;trinque;yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand 1184362;1435861359;mod6;haven't had a chance to play iwth it yet. 1184363;1435861368;trinque;gonna have to wireshark it up and figure out what IP it had, lol 1184364;1435861375;trinque;rather, which it wants to give the boot console to 1184365;1435861603;ascii_field;https://blockchain.info/address/14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE << l0l, it's still full 1184366;1435861604;assbot;Bitcoin Address 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzG3H4 ) 1184367;1435861638;ascii_field;and who knew of it, to send the turds to ? 1184368;1435861713;mod6;sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr and then spit back info, or for %block or %tx 1184369;1435861752;kakobrekla;that address, what of it? 1184370;1435861763;ascii_field;kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession 1184371;1435861775;kakobrekla;ah 1184372;1435861780;ascii_field;somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his heap 1184373;1435861805;trinque;mod6: seems like that'd be cool 1184374;1435861808;trinque;moar botz! 1184375;1435861823;mod6;lemme see.. 1184376;1435862100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132200 @ 0.00047988 = 63.4401 BTC [-] {4} 1184377;1435862541;mod6;113k 1184378;1435862884;mod6;%h 1184379;1435862885;btcbot;[ %d | %diff ] [ %tx ] [ %bal
] [ %m | %mined ] [ %b | %block ] [ %lb ] [ %tslb ] [ %h | %help ] 1184380;1435862891;mod6;%bal 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE 1184381;1435862892;btcbot;[BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE Balance: 400.00101 Total Received: 400.00101 Number TXs: 4 1184382;1435862917;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1184383;1435862925;ascii_field;mod6: neat! how does it work ? 1184384;1435862948;mod6;it talks to btc.blockr.io and parses some JSON 1184385;1435862957;mod6;%d 1184386;1435862958;btcbot;[BTC Diff] Current Diff: 49402014931.23 Est. Next Diff: 48635521157.02 in 1380 blocks (#364896) Est. % Change: -1.55 1184387;1435862970;ascii_field;so essentially same thing as a 'blockchain.info' link, l0l 1184388;1435862990;mod6;yeah, except that doesn't tell you anything unless you click through it 1184389;1435863005;ascii_field;ah 1184390;1435863030;mod6;for instance: 1184391;1435863033;mod6;%bal 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 1184392;1435863034;btcbot;[BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0 1184393;1435863046;mod6;arg! lol 1184394;1435863075;mod6;somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that 1184395;1435863077;mod6;%tslb 1184396;1435863121;*;mod6 looks around 1184397;1435863150;mod6;aight might have to iron out some kinks. 1184398;1435863259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00050079 = 21.1083 BTC [+] 1184399;1435863544;ascii_field;;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html << looks like folks have tried the co2 laser ic decapping thing. tricky. 1184400;1435863545;assbot;Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKVpel ) 1184401;1435863545;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1184402;1435863724;ascii_field;;;later tell mats wonder if anybody's tried it under hard vacuum 1184403;1435863725;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1184404;1435863919;punkman;;;balance 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 1184405;1435863920;gribble;11.93446524 1184406;1435863955;jurov;i doubt, laser would generate plenty if gas... more like in inert atmosphere 1184407;1435863976;ascii_field;whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas 1184408;1435863981;ascii_field;which is pumped away 1184409;1435863996;ascii_field;in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate 1184410;1435864017;jurov;ic 1184411;1435864106;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11064341213388534269604581080473031895058 1184412;1435864108;assbot; Mall Operators Begin Cultivating Startups - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKWBi5 ) 1184413;1435864108;mod6;ah, punkman thanks lol. 1184414;1435864120;mod6;i didn't know it did that for some reason 1184415;1435864607;mats;azonenberg is p cool 1184416;1435864617;mats;i saw this some time ago when he tried with a cheaper laser: http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html 1184417;1435864618;assbot;Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKY2gf ) 1184418;1435864670;ascii_field;didn't i just like same 1184419;1435864675;ascii_field;*link same 1184420;1435864680;ascii_field;? 1184421;1435864706;mats;er 1184422;1435864723;mats;scuse me 1184423;1435864757;mats;i need some sleep 1184424;1435864842;mod6;!up ascii_field 1184425;1435865089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00049687 = 25.5888 BTC [-] 1184426;1435865821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049893 = 6.6108 BTC [+] {2} 1184427;1435865849;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182410 << incidentally, anyone remember the 'accidental' oceanic fiber cuts every few years, when nsa installs splitter taps ?! 1184428;1435865849;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 04:17:01; decimation: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/06/30/california-internet-outage/29521335/ 1184429;1435866083;mod6;164k 1184430;1435866248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051904 = 23.4606 BTC [+] {2} 1184431;1435866569;trinque;ascii_field: makes a guy want to take up amateur submarining 1184432;1435866685;mod6;!up ascii_field 1184433;1435867392;mircea_popescu;mod6 o hey. nice. 1184434;1435867421;mod6;well, maybe it doesn't make sense to do that if gribble does stuff. 1184435;1435867436;mod6;haha 1184436;1435867475;mod6;oh but yah, im sync'in 1184437;1435867651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00051905 = 29.8713 BTC [+] 1184438;1435867728;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183889 << i recall that grisly case when an elderly couple murdered-suicided themselves as the old lady was holding the stair for the gent who thought for some reason eh can use a chainsaw upside. 1184439;1435867728;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 23:48:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week 1184440;1435867730;mircea_popescu;and then fell. 1184441;1435867732;mircea_popescu;on her. 1184442;1435867896;ascii_field;'find some meat!' (tm) (r) ('doom2') 1184443;1435867904;mircea_popescu;o boy. 1184444;1435867926;mircea_popescu;"Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad. 1184445;1435868087;trinque;intel made his apparatus for him, iirc 1184446;1435868087;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183929 < nice. 1184447;1435868087;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 00:17:31; phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago 1184448;1435868103;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah there is that. 1184449;1435868154;mircea_popescu;phf you know minigame's looking for someone who can compile of apple so ben_vulpes can play. 1184450;1435868164;trinque;http://newsroom.intel.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-8690-5835/Hawking_press1.jpg << lol @ him being a (slowly) moving billboard 1184451;1435868166;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA4IvN ) 1184452;1435868190;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183935 <<< this is the chief criteria in the classical harem. so... because the "people" being hired are chattel ? 1184453;1435868190;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know 1184454;1435868228;ascii_field;more of a zoo. 'zebra died, we need a zebra' 1184455;1435868247;mircea_popescu;same thing. 1184456;1435868266;mircea_popescu;omfg hawking is SEVENTYthree. 1184457;1435868284;mircea_popescu;dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died. 1184458;1435868302;mircea_popescu;reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability. 1184459;1435868617;mod6;!up ascii_field 1184460;1435868635;funkenstein_;george clinton one year older, still on tour 1184461;1435868926;ascii_field;http://www.citlink.net/~bhima/emfcomp.htm << whole world of crackpottery. may be new to some folks 1184462;1435868926;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA7AZJ ) 1184463;1435869037;trinque;ascii_field: ah thanks; this old performa's CRT has been giving me hives 1184464;1435869584;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184349 << somebody oughta do a 'gcov' 1184465;1435869584;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there 1184466;1435869606;ascii_field;it isn't esp. hard, and would be tremendously useful 1184467;1435869639;ascii_field;https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Invoking-Gcov.html#Invoking-Gcov 1184468;1435869640;assbot;Invoking Gcov - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAa4aq ) 1184469;1435869870;ascii_field;'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).' 1184470;1435869872;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3bv90j/if_exchanges_arent_safe_places_to_store_bitcoin/cspt1hp 1184471;1435869873;assbot;the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvORjv ) 1184472;1435869881;ascii_field;^ anybody else regard this situation as shitgnomiferous ? 1184473;1435869884;ascii_field;and worthy of correction 1184474;1435869889;ascii_field;(speaking of 'getdata' here) 1184475;1435869989;ascii_field;shinohai: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-06-2015#1164408 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164411 1184476;1435869989;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts 1184477;1435869989;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov. 1184478;1435870107;kakobrekla;>Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]". 1184479;1435870108;kakobrekla;lol! 1184480;1435870234;trinque;ascii_field: testing tooling is probably a fine place to start for me; I'll look into gcov this weekend. 1184481;1435870236;trinque;ty 1184482;1435870277;mod6;180k 1184483;1435870287;ascii_field;290160+ 1184484;1435870311;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-07-2015#1184191 << shit, you are right. 1184485;1435870311;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked 1184486;1435870364;lobbes;Hmm, my first guess is that it is a character limit set somewhere, though I'm just pulling that out of my ass 1184487;1435870381;lobbes;thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it 1184488;1435870412;kakobrekla;lobbes yeah at least on ircd side 1184489;1435870416;punkman;irc limit 1184490;1435870418;shinohai;heh ascii_field 'tis difficult to buy BTC here for real. CoinBase has shuttered me twice. 1184491;1435870456;ascii_field;also need with what to buy! 1184492;1435870466;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field 1184493;1435870483;ascii_field;(laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit) 1184494;1435870554;decimation;shinohai: how did they 'shutter' you? 1184495;1435870571;ascii_field;(world's most reliable btc-selling phriendz could not help you if you haven't with what to buy it...) 1184496;1435870646;mircea_popescu;shinohai where is here ? 1184497;1435870700;shinohai;I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank 1184498;1435870723;shinohai;but meh, i hated coinbase anyway 1184499;1435870775;kakobrekla; for sending to a gambling site < here you can use this currency that you can freely use as long as you dont use it freely 1184500;1435870794;mircea_popescu;lol 1184501;1435870833;decimation;shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet? 1184502;1435870873;shinohai;yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down 1184503;1435870895;shinohai;Buying BTC is a "suspicious activity" 1184504;1435870907;ascii_field;isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ? 1184505;1435870911;kakobrekla;unless you are registered terrorist 1184506;1435870912;trinque;ayep 1184507;1435870925;shinohai;yeah, i no longer have a BoA account 1184508;1435870927;trinque;BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account 1184509;1435870936;trinque;then charges you overdraft fees 1184510;1435870937;trinque;goto 10 1184511;1435870938;ascii_field;why anyone uses it is beyond me 1184512;1435870960;kakobrekla;has 'america' in the name? 1184513;1435870994;ascii_field;my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now 1184514;1435870999;decimation;see, this is why usg doesn't need to actually 'make law' 1184515;1435871009;decimation;it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go 1184516;1435871011;ascii_field;(once became dominant) 1184517;1435871040;ascii_field;usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time 1184518;1435871045;decimation;it was the 'beneficiary' of many of the the 2008 'bad loans' 1184519;1435871049;ascii_field;(and yes, famously, he eventually had a bell installed) 1184520;1435871128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00052058 = 19.0272 BTC [+] {4} 1184521;1435871220;shinohai;;;ticker 1184522;1435871221;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.15, Best ask: 255.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 255.01, 24 hour volume: 18016.50885563, 24 hour low: 253.0, 24 hour high: 262.61, 24 hour vwap: None 1184523;1435871264;ascii_field;in other 'news', https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Disappointments.html#Disappointments 1184524;1435871265;assbot;Disappointments - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAgczp ) 1184525;1435871275;ascii_field;^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago 1184526;1435871297;ascii_field;'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.' 1184527;1435871309;ascii_field;'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.' 1184528;1435871326;ascii_field;(what hypothesis? that one - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1086641 ) 1184529;1435871326;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint. 1184530;1435871346;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184255 <<< most i did was 1000mg, sweet spot was around 600-700 for me 1184531;1435871346;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 16:49:39; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps 1184532;1435871350;trinque;did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened 1184533;1435871375;ascii_field;gotta love this attitude 1184534;1435871391;ascii_field;'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin' 1184535;1435871422;trinque;that one's on the disappointments page for the world's manual 1184536;1435871451;shinohai;The #b-a purple drank 1184537;1435871457;ascii_field;aha, and nobody mentioned it, nor did 'google' ever turn it up 1184538;1435871471;ascii_field;had to stumble across it while pursuing an entirely unrelated matter 1184539;1435871503;ascii_field;https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Fixed-Headers.html#Fixed-Headers 1184540;1435871505;assbot;Fixed Headers - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAh9b9 ) 1184541;1435871516;decimation;ascii_field: this must be a glibc vs gcc conflict? 1184542;1435871525;decimation;after all, there can be only one /usr/include 1184543;1435871532;*;ascii_field doesn't know, and, at this point, doesn't much care 1184544;1435871541;ascii_field;'hey hey, ho ho,' glibc 'has got to go' 1184545;1435871566;decimation;drepper presaged poettering 1184546;1435871566;ascii_field;shoot it, bury, pour cement. 1184547;1435871625;ascii_field;poettering is small change 1184548;1435871688;ascii_field;drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe 1184549;1435871903;trinque;and bezzlization burned down all alternative worlds 1184550;1435871934;ascii_field;long, long ago. 1184551;1435872328;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1184552;1435872331;ascii_field;http://ewontfix.com/12 1184553;1435872333;assbot;EWONTFIX - Breakincludes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkwi4 ) 1184554;1435872355;ascii_field;^ pretty lulzy site overall 1184555;1435872357;ascii_field;recommended. 1184556;1435872399;ascii_field;e.g., http://ewontfix.com/14 1184557;1435872401;assbot;EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkKpA ) 1184558;1435872412;decimation;the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl} 1184559;1435872462;decimation;^ from source package (.spec) 1184560;1435872464;ascii_field;decimation: relevant: 1184561;1435872465;ascii_field;'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by 1184562;1435872466;ascii_field;pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.' 1184563;1435872499;ascii_field;the whole thing just desperately needs to die 1184564;1435872519;ascii_field;http://ewontfix.com/1 1184565;1435872521;assbot;EWONTFIX - Introducing EWONTFIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAlcEb ) 1184566;1435872555;decimation;what I find amusing is that gcc comes with system include files, but 'also depends' on glibc 1184567;1435872596;ascii_field;'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race 1184568;1435872596;ascii_field;conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.' 1184569;1435872601;ascii_field;^ who wants to try ? 1184570;1435872641;ascii_field;(apparently 'ewontfix' is involved with 'musl') 1184571;1435872669;ascii_field;http://www.musl-libc.org/how.html << works - or claims to - with stock gcc on existing system 1184572;1435872670;assbot;musl - How to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwxQnI ) 1184573;1435872760;ascii_field;'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq) 1184574;1435872762;ascii_field;win. 1184575;1435872800;decimation;lol 1184576;1435872836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102930 @ 0.00053093 = 54.6486 BTC [+] 1184577;1435872839;ascii_field;'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo! 1184578;1435872918;ascii_field;'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl; 1184579;1435872918;ascii_field;however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.' 1184580;1435872941;ascii_field;^ not quite fire-and-forget 1184581;1435872969;phf;maze of twisty little passages, all alike 1184582;1435872971;decimation;well, nothing involving C++ is fire-and-forget 1184583;1435873001;decimation;did you see that 'were gonna increment C++99 to C+14!!!!' 1184584;1435873019;phf;mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac 1184585;1435873036;mircea_popescu;seems to be the consensus so far. 1184586;1435873077;decimation;ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols" 1184587;1435873084;cazalla;BingoBoingo, seems we have our first protestor http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/#comment-29863 1184588;1435873085;assbot;UK Gambling Commission Strongarms Some Bitcoin Based Gambling Websites | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAne7h ) 1184589;1435874889;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184315 << The appeal is not in the "light client" but in the server that indexes the full node's blockchain and makes "transaction observatory" easier. 1184590;1435874889;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 18:03:15; ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home. 1184591;1435875017;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1184592;1435875018;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184310 << Prolly need more power, once bitcoind is sync'd electrum-server generates a whole new tens of gigs database of its own... You can ask Jurov about that 1184593;1435875018;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well. 1184594;1435875059;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184577 << aaaaand to nobody's great surprise, go try, 'crossdev x86_64-pc-linux-musl', barfs in 'stage2' 1184595;1435875059;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 21:33:59; ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo! 1184596;1435875059;scoopbot_revived;Line betting on BitBet, June 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-june-2015/ 1184597;1435875090;ascii_field;and the only search result for the barf turns up: http://pastebin.com/U4Q3X7X0 1184598;1435875091;assbot;/var/tmp/portage/cross-x86_64-pc-linux-musl/gcc-4.6.3/work/build/./gcc/xgcc -sha - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEOsY ) 1184599;1435875095;ascii_field;circa 2012. 1184600;1435875187;hanbot;deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_062015.txt.asc 1184601;1435875188;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEZ7y ) 1184602;1435875190;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1184603;1435875210;shinohai;you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind 1184604;1435875225;ascii_field;wai wat 1184605;1435875310;ascii_field;shinohai: 'small bitcoind' vs what ? 1184606;1435875377;shinohai;vs. electrum 1184607;1435875476;ascii_field;weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way 1184608;1435875502;ascii_field;that is, by removing the retardation which made them appear necessary 1184609;1435875554;ascii_field;there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet' 1184610;1435875561;ascii_field;it was screamingly stupid from day 1. 1184611;1435875636;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183975 << what's it at by now ? 1184612;1435875636;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 02:03:20; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+ 1184613;1435875644;ascii_field;294300+ 1184614;1435875647;kakobrekla;well that one goes all the way back to satoshi. 1184615;1435875656;ascii_field;kakobrekla: aha 1184616;1435875662;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. that sounds like a properly connected node ove ran actually functioning link for cryssakes. 1184617;1435875666;mircea_popescu;cool. 1184618;1435875678;kakobrekla;from the era of unencrypted wallets 1184619;1435875687;ascii_field;kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks 1184620;1435875696;mircea_popescu;you both have a solid point. 1184621;1435875722;mircea_popescu;what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work 1184622;1435875731;mircea_popescu;while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display. 1184623;1435875764;ascii_field;hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves 1184624;1435875780;mircea_popescu;paid my foot. 1184625;1435875787;mircea_popescu;usg isn't even paying lawsky's pension. 1184626;1435875855;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc 1184627;1435875873;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183987 << wrong on a lot of things. the only thing dropping a nuke will do is ensure the dropper loses. 1184628;1435875873;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority 1184629;1435875884;ascii_field;http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman << like this 1184630;1435875885;assbot;CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwGnHf ) 1184631;1435875906;mircea_popescu;you're comparing britni with random ho waiting tables. 1184632;1435875921;ascii_field;possibly 1184633;1435875925;mircea_popescu;give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time 1184634;1435875935;mircea_popescu;nothing's fickler than the socialist. 1184635;1435875947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0004935 = 19.2712 BTC [-] 1184636;1435875994;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183999 << no i know, was just amusing. 1184637;1435875994;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:47; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine 1184638;1435876047;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed. 1184639;1435876047;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 03:22:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context? 1184640;1435876234;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin. 1184641;1435876234;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command? 1184642;1435876410;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184025 << nah, it's drastically visible. you're basically saying "i couldn't spot a firefly because everything generates a little radiation" 1184643;1435876410;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground 1184644;1435876605;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass. 1184645;1435876605;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story 1184646;1435876611;mircea_popescu;well... an inkling of an idea. 1184647;1435876613;decimation;no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb' 1184648;1435876623;decimation;to accomplish a similiar level of background 1184649;1435876647;decimation;to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself 1184650;1435876818;decimation;my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people' 1184651;1435876956;kakobrekla;like Semipalatinsk for example 1184652;1435876998;mircea_popescu;well your last point may well stand on its own. we really know precious little about radio-bio interaction. 1184653;1435877008;mircea_popescu;but the former does not. it IS very visible. 1184654;1435877179;decimation;yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs 1184655;1435877217;decimation;!up bitspill 1184656;1435877230;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173021 << i met a girl at porcfest who is either a maidsafe dev or in some way associated with them; she said to me "hey aren't you that guy who's always on about the WoT on twitter?" 1184657;1435877230;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 22:51:50; williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently? 1184658;1435877292;decimation;danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist? 1184659;1435877308;decimation;I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire 1184660;1435877313;danielpbarron;yeah but it doesn't amount to much 1184661;1435877323;trinque;16,832 of 20,000 according to the site 1184662;1435877327;trinque;committed to move 1184663;1435877327;danielpbarron;basically only attracts a bunch of losers 1184664;1435877337;trinque;^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community 1184665;1435877368;trinque;and the ron paul people 1184666;1435877395;danielpbarron;they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry 1184667;1435877399;decimation;well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists 1184668;1435877416;danielpbarron;euphemism* \\ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign 1184669;1435877433;decimation;as in, one woman for multiple men? 1184670;1435877438;danielpbarron;pretty much 1184671;1435877471;danielpbarron;they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is 1184672;1435877479;decimation;lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power 1184673;1435877482;danielpbarron;with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems 1184674;1435877493;trinque;danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female\ 1184675;1435877517;trinque;decimation: lol 1184676;1435877538;trinque;I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on 1184677;1435877572;trinque;in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it" 1184678;1435877606;danielpbarron;yep, that. 1184679;1435877627;danielpbarron;and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama 1184680;1435877677;danielpbarron;it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship 1184681;1435877706;shinohai;The single life for me 1184682;1435877712;trinque;framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is 1184683;1435877712;decimation;emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them? 1184684;1435877734;decimation;aka 'hazing', nearly all institutions have some form 1184685;1435877761;trinque;muh poor foreskin 1184686;1435877785;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already 1184687;1435877797;danielpbarron;at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures 1184688;1435877826;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate 1184689;1435877839;trinque;danielpbarron: mean bible guy lol 1184690;1435877869;trinque;least you actually read the book 1184691;1435877917;danielpbarron;it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment 1184692;1435877949;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs 1184693;1435877949;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama 1184694;1435877956;shinohai;Aren't you a Xtian danielpbarron ? 1184695;1435877962;danielpbarron;shinohai, ya 1184696;1435877986;shinohai;I thought I noticed something about it on your site. 1184697;1435878057;shinohai;I tend to avoid religious materials. 1184698;1435878074;danielpbarron;as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year 1184699;1435878109;danielpbarron;and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker) 1184700;1435878130;trinque;I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy. 1184701;1435878133;danielpbarron;last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others) 1184702;1435878209;trinque;so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you 1184703;1435878221;trinque;might've been something like what the USA was back when 1184704;1435878245;danielpbarron;you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery 1184705;1435878298;mats;lol 1184706;1435878300;trinque;danielpbarron: I've heard so called libertarians derp on about "libertarian socialism" 1184707;1435878342;decimation;yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations 1184708;1435878353;trinque;decimation: socialism plus weed! 1184709;1435878371;danielpbarron;lots of weed! 1184710;1435878375;decimation;note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed 1184711;1435878377;mats;how many asians you got walking around porcfest dpb 1184712;1435878383;danielpbarron;hahaha 1184713;1435878387;danielpbarron;i saw a bunch playing poker actually 1184714;1435878397;danielpbarron;one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian 1184715;1435878398;mats;maybe ill go next year 1184716;1435878402;danielpbarron;and took the host for over 1k 1184717;1435878408;danielpbarron;you totally should 1184718;1435878410;mats;i try not to stand out too much 1184719;1435878419;danielpbarron;you will be the coolest person there 1184720;1435878426;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot mats 1184721;1435878427;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mats/ 1184722;1435878491;danielpbarron;and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night 1184723;1435878530;danielpbarron;"i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough 1184724;1435878562;mats;how would these people know what that is 1184725;1435878591;danielpbarron;many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross 1184726;1435878607;decimation;lol. "crypto enthusiasts" 1184727;1435878651;mats;i have had a tricky time broaching the subject 1184728;1435878662;danielpbarron;which subject? 1184729;1435878667;mats;first impression goes well, second time around its like... 1184730;1435878695;mats;who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly 1184731;1435878707;shinohai;I like wot. it requires discipline. 1184732;1435878726;mats;bitcoin is stupid, man, it was at 1200 and now its at 250 1184733;1435878757;danielpbarron;if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place 1184734;1435878776;danielpbarron;people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing 1184735;1435878788;danielpbarron;even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it 1184736;1435878799;mats;invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists 1184737;1435878809;mats;and i get that 1184738;1435878817;danielpbarron;that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either 1184739;1435878839;decimation;me neither 1184740;1435878845;danielpbarron;i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast 1184741;1435878864;mats;well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents 1184742;1435878868;danielpbarron;one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt 1184743;1435878875;mats;being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing 1184744;1435878929;danielpbarron;i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that 1184745;1435878940;decimation;lulz 1184746;1435878977;mats;regular folk need https 1184747;1435879086;mats;we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful 1184748;1435879096;mats;it encourages mythical distrust of computers 1184749;1435879141;mats;things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks 1184750;1435879160;trinque;sure, from the mitm perspective 1184751;1435879167;trinque;they're still probably working on an utterly infested device 1184752;1435879233;trinque;mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https 1184753;1435879243;trinque;rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS 1184754;1435879303;danielpbarron;mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me 1184755;1435879318;trinque;lol @ "I'll expose you!" 1184756;1435879333;trinque;danielpbarron: was it this guy? 1184757;1435879335;trinque;http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0c9109c71ea0524d9fe840f91fabd67bb94a26a9/r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/onpolitics/2013/02/14/geraldo-3_4.jpg 1184758;1435879335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWoIme ) 1184759;1435879374;danielpbarron;no he had more of the meth addict look going for him 1184760;1435879377;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Andreas Fleig ; ) connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ? 1184847;1435887470;asciilifeform;and that's pretty much it 1184848;1435887497;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu ever feels like saying any more on the subject, he can. 1184849;1435887503;asciilifeform;other than that, 'take it or leave it' 1184850;1435887511;decimation;asciilifeform: what is electrum other than 'wallet split from node'? 1184851;1435887536;*;asciilifeform can't comment re: 'electrum', never used 1184852;1435887558;asciilifeform;does it know how to communicate over a serial cable with a full node ? 1184853;1435887578;asciilifeform;or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack 1184854;1435887622;shinohai;mircea_popescu has already provided an ample amount of reading between logs and trilema xD 1184855;1435887631;*;asciilifeform knows that one can 'theoretically' be turned into the other, but is not so much interested in the particulars as in the overall flavour of the design, as to whether it rejected networking to begin with 1184856;1435887639;decimation;it uses a tcp connection with a special block server I think 1184857;1435887645;asciilifeform;ugh 1184858;1435887649;asciilifeform;needs a custom bitcoind ? 1184859;1435887651;asciilifeform;wtf is the point 1184860;1435887663;decimation;yeah I think so, not sure 1184861;1435887705;decimation;https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server < "The server requires bitcoind, leveldb and plyvel" 1184862;1435887707;assbot;spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLtISX ) 1184863;1435887713;asciilifeform;ick 1184864;1435887714;decimation;apparently it gloms onto rpc port 1184865;1435887717;asciilifeform;no thx 1184866;1435887756;decimation;what would an 'electrum replacement' need? 1184867;1435887768;asciilifeform;what is the purpose of said replacement ? 1184868;1435887780;decimation;okay, you have serial line connected to bitcoind 1184869;1435887799;asciilifeform;elementary 1184870;1435887801;decimation;how do I find txns for accounting in my wallet 1184871;1435887807;decimation;and send txns 1184872;1435887807;asciilifeform;thing on the other side needs to know how to sign a tx 1184873;1435887813;decimation;aye 1184874;1435887824;asciilifeform;the bitcoind, in turn, needs to know how to 1) crap out a proper tx for it to sign 2) eat the result 1184875;1435887850;decimation;account belongs on the public side? 1184876;1435887861;asciilifeform;account ? 1184877;1435887868;asciilifeform;public ? 1184878;1435887873;decimation;essentially, querying the blockchain for my txns 1184879;1435887885;shinohai;I can't get electrum right for shit. I did a test tx using pywallet to import a privkey 1184880;1435887922;asciilifeform;decimation: neither side, properly speaking, ought to be 'public' 1184881;1435887931;decimation;this goes to the ancient thread about what bitcoind should do 1184882;1435887934;asciilifeform;the full node is '-connect'ed to a public-facing node, yes 1184883;1435887943;decimation;so need to query for my txns 1184884;1435887955;asciilifeform;query the cutout (said full node) 1184885;1435887964;decimation;across serial cable? 1184886;1435887967;asciilifeform;aha 1184887;1435887982;decimation;okay, well that's essentially what electrum server does I guess 1184888;1435887994;decimation;except this feature could be integrated into bitcoind 1184889;1435888000;asciilifeform;except i'm not sure why this requires GBytes of rubbish 1184890;1435888002;asciilifeform;and weird dependencies 1184891;1435888005;asciilifeform;aha 1184892;1435888007;decimation;well, yeah 1184893;1435888079;decimation;!gettrust DanyAlos assbot 1184894;1435888079;assbot;Trust relationship from user DanyAlos to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=DanyAlos&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/ 1184895;1435888245;asciilifeform;https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d << mega-l0l 1184896;1435888246;assbot;Breaking the house — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITq8zW ) 1184897;1435888261;decimation;http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33362472 < "She told the BBC that "Children with autism didn't show this modulation at all - they took the same sniff for the smell of shampoo as they did for rotten fish." "They also showed that the more severe the symptoms of autism the longer the children inhaled the unpleasant smells. " 1184898;1435888263;assbot;Sniffing could provide autism test - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqaYA ) 1184899;1435888290;asciilifeform;'Part of the functionality of our site is that we have to give out decrypted server seeds (to assure users no bet manipulation has occurred) and put a new random seed in place, essentially trashing the old revealed seed. Hufflepuff found a way to confuse our server, and made it give out a decrypted server seed that was also an active seed. This was done by sending it more requests than it could handle in a small time per 1184900;1435888290;asciilifeform;iod, think hundreds of requests in under a second. The result of this is that he knew all the information required to corroborate the outcomes of his bets. He knew whether if he would win or lose, and could wager accordingly.' 1184901;1435888378;decimation;lol why do they need to give seed 1184902;1435888391;asciilifeform;same reason 'satoshi dice' did ? 1184903;1435888407;asciilifeform;the whole 'provably fair' thing 1184904;1435888409;decimation;why not build physical source of entropy 1184905;1435888436;asciilifeform;because go & prove that it is a physical whatever, rather than a house-always-wins source 1184906;1435888452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00052155 = 10.6135 BTC [+] 1184907;1435888452;asciilifeform;same reason vegas uses prng (supplied, incidentally, by usg) 1184908;1435888470;decimation;if house always wins, people will realized and move on 1184909;1435888525;*;asciilifeform doesn't care for either kind of dice game, cannot comment re: the appeal of 'provable' ones 1184910;1435888570;asciilifeform;one obvious observation, however, is that 'house' can never prove that it had not shared its seeds with a shill 1184911;1435888581;decimation;yeah, me neither, but sending the server seed seems like you are putting your balls on the chopping block 1184912;1435888585;asciilifeform;whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day 1184913;1435888597;decimation;heh good point 1184914;1435888635;asciilifeform;iirc the satoshidice inventor offered a reward to anyone who might devise a means whereby he can prove that he doesn't do this 1184915;1435888639;asciilifeform;it was never claimed 1184916;1435888665;asciilifeform;now, it is not physically impossible to solve this problem 1184917;1435888681;asciilifeform;(see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol') 1184918;1435888688;asciilifeform;but afaik this was never pursued by anyone. 1184919;1435888697;decimation;I would think it would require examining the outcome of every player's bet 1184920;1435888803;asciilifeform;decimation: that is only needed when one is verifying the 'fair' bit 1184921;1435888851;asciilifeform;http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/poker-is-hard-especially-for.html << see also shamir's famous 'mental poker'. 1184922;1435888852;assbot;A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Poker is hard, especially for cryptographers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITruKY ) 1184923;1435888864;asciilifeform;^ contains a link to the original paper, for anyone unfamiliar. 1184924;1435888965;decimation;interesting. 1184925;1435889246;asciilifeform;http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << moar lulz. yet another (!) xen escape 1184926;1435889247;assbot;XSA-135 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLvIKF ) 1184927;1435889262;asciilifeform;based on yet another piece of qemu cruft 1184928;1435889275;decimation;how much worse is docker? 1184929;1435889285;asciilifeform;(not to be confused with the last such, which relied on a flawed emulation of pc floppy card. this one uses nic.) 1184930;1435889299;asciilifeform;decimation: not comparable 1184931;1435889306;asciilifeform;afaik 1184932;1435889310;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see the cache telegraphy escape? 1184933;1435889318;asciilifeform;decimation: that's not an escaper 1184934;1435889324;asciilifeform;it's a known backchannel, yes 1184935;1435889329;asciilifeform;but not an arbitrary code exec thing 1184936;1435889333;decimation;aye 1184937;1435889768;trinque;decimation: docker's a piece of shit for its own reasons 1184938;1435889864;trinque;yet another "lets try to layer tape upon the turd and hope that solves the underlying derp of the system" 1184939;1435889950;trinque;whereas xen is a hypervisor, docker uses the linux containers thing, which effectively gives you multiple userspaces 1184940;1435889978;trinque;the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root 1184941;1435889980;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea 1184942;1435889981;assbot;Rossem/RedditStorage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITu3wI ) 1184943;1435889981;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1184944;1435889990;decimation;people have emphasized docker's security benefits 1184945;1435890024;asciilifeform;gotta love the 's333k000r1ty benefitz' of running a blob of hipsterystrange as root 1184946;1435890027;trinque;assuming the hardware, kernel, distro, docker, distro, and your proggy are perfect, sure! 1184947;1435890102;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe you can use systemd to boot it 1184948;1435890122;trinque;I would expect (as admittedly a casual in the kernel space) to find the same kinds of break-out flaws in docker and linux containers as are found all the time in xen 1184949;1435890149;trinque;and also, docker sets up and manages its own fancy virtual network between your containers 1184950;1435890153;trinque;so probably loads to be done to that thing too 1184951;1435890197;shinohai;i use docker on hashbang, but it is like a Rube Goldberg cartoon 1184952;1435890229;trinque;shinohai: yeah I used it on deedbot to make a final judgment 1184953;1435890234;trinque;fuckinthingsucks.gif 1184954;1435890237;decimation;does docker actually emulate a hardware nic like qemu 1184955;1435890331;shinohai;For instance, this may have been a forerunner of BTCXT http://notquant.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rube.gif 1184956;1435890333;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuS8z ) 1184957;1435890353;trinque;decimation: I believe so; inside your container you have your own network device 1184958;1435890371;trinque;shinohai: not byzantine enough 1184959;1435890384;asciilifeform;http://torrentfreak.com/elsevier-cracks-down-on-pirated-scientific-articles-150609 << somehow missed this when it was 'news' 1184960;1435890384;assbot;Elsevier Cracks Down on Pirated Scientific Articles | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuXJs ) 1184961;1435890402;mats;no, it doesn't do device emulation 1184962;1435890416;decimation;asciilifeform: https://universonline.nl/2015/07/02/dutch-universities-start-their-elsevier-boycott-plan 1184963;1435890417;assbot;Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan | Univers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv2gh ) 1184964;1435890433;mats;http://www.slideshare.net/jpetazzo/introduction-to-docker-and-a-bit-more-at-lspe-meetup-sunnyvale << according to this doc 1184965;1435890436;assbot;Introduction to Docker (and a bit more) at LSPE meetup Sunnyvale ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv3kh ) 1184966;1435890465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14032 @ 0.00052155 = 7.3184 BTC [+] 1184967;1435890494;mats;slide 7 reads neither HVM nor PV 1184968;1435890525;decimation;asciilifeform: how are they gonna get an injunction against bookfi? 1184969;1435890536;decimation;isn't it based in ukraine? 1184970;1435890544;asciilifeform;usg colony 1184971;1435890552;asciilifeform;among the most eager to slurp up the cock 1184972;1435890562;decimation;seems lik an opportunity for ru 1184973;1435890585;asciilifeform;ru is on a 'dictatorship of the law' and 'property rights' kick 1184974;1435890587;asciilifeform;so doubtful 1184975;1435890629;decimation;lulz 1184976;1435890655;decimation;what about the days when su judge would consult telephone to moscow before ruling 1184977;1435890781;decimation;mats: it seems to be chroot with some device/pid/ipc space sharing 1184978;1435890933;trinque;mats: looks like it might be coming https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/9983 1184979;1435890935;assbot;Proposal: Network Drivers · Issue #9983 · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLxH1A ) 1184980;1435891336;mats;ic 1184981;1435892234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00052155 = 15.2032 BTC [+] 1184982;1435892234;decimation;http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat." 1184983;1435892235;assbot;Why Police Can Legally Shoot Fleeing Prison Escapees | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLzbsG ) 1184984;1435892269;decimation;apparently if you commit a felony involving violence, the police can summarily execute you if the 'feel you pose a threat' 1184985;1435892374;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it. 1184986;1435892399;decimation;only if they feel you 'pose a threat' 1184987;1435892481;decimation;http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/obama-confuses-white-house-for-prison/ < related "?We should be reforming our criminal justice system in such a way that we are not incarcerating nonviolent offenders in ways that renders them incapable of getting a job after they leave office,? Obama said, effectively comparing being in prison to being in office." 1184988;1435892482;assbot;Obama Confuses 'White House' For 'Prison' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTdNuj ) 1184989;1435892531;asciilifeform;related famous bushism: 'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.' 1184990;1435892539;decimation;heh 1184991;1435892958;decimation;http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/google-dev-apologizes-after-photos-app-tags-black-people-as-gorillas/ < lolz 1184992;1435892959;assbot;Google dev apologizes after Photos app tags black people as “gorillas” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA4BF ) 1184993;1435893000;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/gallery/Cwma0Kf << related mega-classic 1184994;1435893001;assbot; A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA8Bh ) 1184995;1435893075;decimation;asciilifeform: this is terrible news, now all learning algorithms are going to need 'political filters' 1184996;1435893087;decimation;like a party political officer in every server 1184997;1435893117;asciilifeform;logical extension of 'party member in every elevator ride in every office' 1184998;1435893187;decimation;maybe if we end up in the same sharishka we can work on identifying the voice of traitors together 1184999;1435893217;asciilifeform;iirc the israelis have that scamarket cornered for decades 1185000;1435893273;asciilifeform;(a scamarket, naturally, consists of a crown concession to perpetrate a particular kind of scam.) 1185001;1435893333;decimation;note that scamarkets were generally the only market for most of history 1185002;1435893342;asciilifeform;wai wut 1185003;1435893360;asciilifeform;thinking of the guild system ? 1185004;1435893412;decimation;yeah, plus 'crown monopolies' 1185005;1435894491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00051347 = 21.9252 BTC [-] 1185006;1435895277;mod6;107+ 1185007;1435895281;mod6;er 207+ 1185008;1435895290;asciilifeform;306200+ 1185009;1435895306;asciilifeform;looks like these are going at about same rate 1185010;1435895373;mod6;nice 1185011;1435895386;mod6;how long have you been sync'ing for now? 2 days? 1185012;1435895467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16849 @ 0.00051347 = 8.6515 BTC [-] 1185013;1435895479;asciilifeform;approx. 35 hrs 1185014;1435895490;mod6;ah sweet. 1185015;1435895512;mod6;typical sync via irc seeding took me ~6 days 1185016;1435895532;mod6;seems like this is going faster, but we'll see how long it takes to go from 300k-350k 1185017;1435896687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2115 @ 0.00051347 = 1.086 BTC [-] 1185018;1435897042;trinque;http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/smartphone-apps/facebook-wants-to-get-inside-your-brain-20150703-gi3jjg << lol, facebook is going to invent brain-computer interface telepathy! 1185019;1435897043;assbot;Why Facebook wants to get inside your brain ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdZ47E ) 1185020;1435897045;trinque;the bullshit never ends 1185021;1435897153;trinque;Since Facebook's 2012 IPO, it has needed a compelling "story" to tell corporate investors, says IBRS analyst Guy Cranswick. << btw the new meaning of the quotation mark in english is herein lie lies 1185022;1435897236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00052027 = 2.1721 BTC [+] {2} 1185023;1435897968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00052161 = 22.4553 BTC [+] {2} 1185024;1435898734;trinque;ffa 1185025;1435898745;trinque;whoops 1185026;1435898883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101950 @ 0.00052295 = 53.3148 BTC [+] {2} 1185027;1435898943;trinque;http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/cnn-to-broadcast-corporate-propaganda-as-news.html << "news-like" content 1185028;1435898944;assbot;CNN to Broadcast Corporate Propaganda as News? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAL4AS ) 1185029;1435899278;trinque;something suitable for the human-like creatures eating food-like matter on a couch-like object in a home-like hovel they quasi-own 1185030;1435899334;asciilifeform;lulzily, continuing old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181581 , http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/us-cuba-embassy.html 1185031;1435899334;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 04:33:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc 1185032;1435899335;assbot;US, Cuba to Reopen Embassies | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALG9P ) 1185033;1435899351;asciilifeform;or rather, http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/how-to-resolve-american-property-claims-in-cuba.html 1185034;1435899351;assbot;How To Resolve American Property Claims In Cuba? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALMy9 ) 1185035;1435899566;asciilifeform;(why not the claims of old spain? of indians?) 1185036;1435899759;trinque;in that case I'd like to claim my family's pre-mussolini wealth from italy 1185037;1435899812;trinque;adjusted for inflation, please. 1185038;1435901265;BingoBoingo;More of Reddit punching itself https://archive.is/x1dPs 1185039;1435901267;assbot;Why was /r/IAmA, along with a number of other large subreddits, made private? : OutOfTheLoop ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7tqbQ ) 1185040;1435901506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00052718 = 28.7577 BTC [+] {2} 1185041;1435903458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00052728 = 11.9165 BTC [+] 1185042;1435903641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53699 @ 0.00051251 = 27.5213 BTC [-] {3} 1185043;1435904617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00052728 = 32.5859 BTC [+] 1185044;1435905044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24527 @ 0.00052728 = 12.9326 BTC [+] 1185045;1435906203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00052893 = 42.7375 BTC [+] {2} 1185046;1435906386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19056 @ 0.00052919 = 10.0842 BTC [+] 1185047;1435908460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32253 @ 0.00051169 = 16.5035 BTC [-] 1185048;1435911632;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 248 @ 0.00429723 = 1.0657 BTC [+] {3} 1185049;1435913645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35248 @ 0.00051161 = 18.0332 BTC [-] {2} 1185050;1435914621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00051147 = 27.6194 BTC [-] 1185051;1435916024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00051469 = 33.7894 BTC [+] {2} 1185052;1435917915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28445 @ 0.00052969 = 15.067 BTC [+] {2} 1185053;1435918647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00053093 = 5.3889 BTC [+] 1185054;1435920738;davout;jurov: if you want a couple pogos i can send them to you 1185055;1435920799;jurov;davout yes, 2 pcs? 1185056;1435920812;davout;sure 1185057;1435920830;davout;pm me a postal address and i'll send them 1185058;1435920906;jurov;how much per? 1185059;1435920930;davout;well, zero 1185060;1435920951;jurov;lolk 1185061;1435921076;jurov; how come u get free shit? 1185062;1435921080;jurov;!up Vexual 1185063;1435921112;jurov;whaddaya know, maybe davout owes me some ...er... favors? 1185064;1435921137;jurov;or me to him? 1185065;1435921241;jurov;Vexual btw, if you have played eulora, you could have 1337 satoshi per day... for free 1185066;1435921261;jurov;plus some utterly vexing and hapless dreams gratis 1185067;1435921280;Vexual;you're dreaming eulora? 1185068;1435921292;jurov;yea 1185069;1435921303;Vexual;woah 1185070;1435921323;Vexual;that usually means its good 1185071;1435921380;jurov;and i'm not alone 1185072;1435921391;Vexual;i must say im more than a little intigued, even discounting the favours you mentioned 1185073;1435921453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00053093 = 18.1844 BTC [+] 1185074;1435921616;HeySteve;you too, jurov? 1185075;1435921719;jurov;(^ ^) 1185076;1435921731;Vexual;is it as you nod off, or during rem? 1185077;1435921765;jurov;i only remember morning dreams, so rem perhaps 1185078;1435921786;HeySteve;only other game I can remember dreaming about is original Doom 1185079;1435921805;HeySteve;probably does mean it's good or compelling in some way 1185080;1435921822;HeySteve;once I'm done with Witcher 3, I want to see if I can make some progress in figuring it out 1185081;1435921880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00053093 = 8.7338 BTC [+] 1185082;1435922118;jurov;HeySteve: there's mining delay in eulora now, so you can multitask :D 1185083;1435922200;jurov;!up julmac 1185084;1435922264;julmac;:o 1185085;1435922504;jurov;hello 1185086;1435922678;HeySteve;the thing about Witcher 3 is you can amass a huge inventory of weird parts, like monster tongues and bits of string 1185087;1435922717;HeySteve;but there's no experimenting in what you can make from them 1185088;1435922819;Vexual;is it multiplayer witcher? 1185089;1435922946;jurov;!up Vexual 1185090;1435923324;Vexual;"whats it all about?" "just try it" relational db importer 1185170;1435931272;ben_vulpes;attn aspiring asseteers! 1185171;1435931295;shinohai;>.> 1185172;1435931323;ben_vulpes;if you had the whole blockchain querieable in postgres, you could infer account balances in the usual fashion and sell reads over a pg connection 1185173;1435931363;decimation;yeah, or any relational database 1185174;1435931368;decimation;like bdb for instance 1185175;1435931377;ben_vulpes;has anyone verified the full chain as puked out from asciilifeform's `shitblock`? 1185176;1435931437;shinohai;I just now got connected to mp's node so i guess i got to start over 1185177;1435931494;ben_vulpes;huh bdb is actually relational? 1185178;1435931509;ben_vulpes;i was under the impression that it was either not relational or was only being used in bitcoind as a kv store 1185179;1435931527;ben_vulpes;p. sure the transaction indices were tossed for space saving reasons aka shitgnomery 1185180;1435931579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00050923 = 19.2998 BTC [+] 1185181;1435931629;decimation;ah you are right, it isn't relational, it's just a key value hash 1185182;1435931658;ben_vulpes;fucking kv stores 1185183;1435931667;decimation;I can see 'saving space' for the transactional table, but why also keep the blockchain in binary form? 1185184;1435931691;ben_vulpes;i've lost weeks, months of my life to the unqueriability of mongo and phriendz 1185185;1435931705;decimation;I suspect satoshi intended on making a transactional database using the block .dat files at a later date 1185186;1435931719;ben_vulpes;the whole thing should be in sqlite at the very least 1185187;1435931721;decimation;shitgnome bitcoin devs never bothered apparently 1185188;1435931722;decimation;aye 1185189;1435931735;ben_vulpes;but perhaps there's a good reason for writing the blocks directly to disk that i'm not grasping 1185190;1435931782;decimation;yeah I don't grasp it either 1185191;1435931792;decimation;other than 'wanting a backup copy' 1185192;1435931805;*;ben_vulpes does not see the problem with hashing values queried directly out of the db 1185193;1435931808;decimation;or using it to feed another tool, like has been accomplished 1185194;1435931824;decimation;mongo is the hotness these days 1185195;1435931827;ben_vulpes;if you're storing as the appropriate ints, floats, doubles, strings etc 1185196;1435931842;ben_vulpes;you can even derp the raw binary into pg if you're so inclined 1185197;1435931857;ben_vulpes;decimation: i'm finally seeing the tide receed from mongo's highwater 1185198;1435931865;ben_vulpes;recede 1185199;1435931881;decimation;yeah, there are situations where 'nosql' is appropriate, but plenty of situations where you want structured queries too 1185200;1435931907;ben_vulpes;no man 1185201;1435931927;ben_vulpes;i've yet to see the real world problem that a nosql db was actually the right solution to that wasn't actually a cacheing/cdn problem 1185202;1435931938;decimation;heh 1185203;1435931946;ben_vulpes;(and even that can be handled by mother postgres at rather high efficiencies these days) 1185204;1435931955;decimation;the only situation I can imagine is if you have a gigantic pile of disorganized data, that probably has a structure 1185205;1435931968;decimation;nosql can be used to sort through your shit into a proper db 1185206;1435931989;decimation;or if you are trying to be google 1185207;1435932033;ben_vulpes;dude if it has a hint of structure it belongs in a relational db 1185208;1435932061;ben_vulpes;otherwise you're going to start running the kind of braindamaged queries your 'nosql' layer support and then glomming it all together into something representing a query in application code 1185209;1435932074;decimation;well, yeah that's the real-world situation. 1185210;1435932097;ben_vulpes;much like any c project eventually grows a miserable half-assed implementation of an eighth of common lisp any nosql project eventually tries to implement relational alggebra 1185211;1435932116;decimation;I'm suggesting an intermediate step where you query your nosql db properly and place the results into a structured relational db 1185212;1435932147;decimation;but yeah I bet most people using 'nosql' just want caches 1185213;1435932162;ben_vulpes;and because none of them were designed for that in the first place because a) it's hard and b) fucking retards write nosql stores for hackernooz points the algebraic layer turns out to never actually work. or it locks everything up while running queries that a real db would plan handle like a boss 1185214;1435932182;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184581 << and fucking how 1185215;1435932182;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 21:36:09; phf: maze of twisty little passages, all alike 1185216;1435932190;decimation;^ also note most people are unwilling to pay for something who knows how to db 1185217;1435932198;decimation;s/something/somebody/ 1185218;1435932293;ben_vulpes;man you can get a sql user (not an expert, mind you, but someone who understands it has used it and can avoid common retardations) at half time for approximately half the cost of some hotshit "full stack developer" who thinks mongo's a good idea 1185219;1435932319;ben_vulpes;you'll spend less, they'll work less, and your systems will be vastly better for not having mongo in them 1185220;1435932358;decimation;I would pay more for someone who didn't know how to program 'front-end' 1185221;1435932388;*;ben_vulpes to breakfast with meatfriends 1185222;1435932396;decimation; have a good day 1185223;1435932407;ben_vulpes;more later, i have 2 hours of ferry ride coming up 1185224;1435932555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00051648 = 22.7509 BTC [+] 1185225;1435933897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00052134 = 14.6757 BTC [+] 1185226;1435934809;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184610 << aye aye 1185227;1435934809;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 22:19:21; ascii_field: it was screamingly stupid from day 1. 1185228;1435935054;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184638 << asciilifeform, could i get a re-link to that piece on SIDS/implied infanticide? 1185229;1435935054;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 22:27:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed. 1185230;1435935773;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184817 << paha goodness 1185231;1435935773;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:24:07; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0 1185232;1435935965;shinohai;LTC:USD sell = 4.08, buy = 4.11, last = 4.08; high = 4.13, low = 4.00, avg = 4.07 || via BTC-e on 2015-Jul-03 15:06:03 Z 1185233;1435936143;HeySteve;that hearn 1185234;1435936313;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/WCdOpg6.jpg 1185235;1435936314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBVa31 ) 1185236;1435937249;HeySteve;http://i.imgur.com/yzeVd1R.png 1185237;1435937250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhIKCB ) 1185238;1435937434;scoopbot_revived;Hits and misses of Ted "The Unabomber" Kaczynski. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/ 1185239;1435938253;kakobrekla;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33378778 << The Catholic Church wrote in comments submitted after the bill was proposed: "Should freedom of expression go so far as to mean that the identity of a person of faith can be freely insulted, then personal freedom - as individuals or groups - is undermined." 1185240;1435938254;assbot;Iceland makes blasphemy legal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMCDq ) 1185241;1435938256;kakobrekla;just like coinbase. 1185242;1435938288;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLYszpvyED4 oh god... 1185243;1435938289;assbot;Interview with Rashida Jones on Her Porn Documentary 'Hot Girls Wanted' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMKmu ) 1185244;1435938326;shinohai;resyncing to the mp node only, I am impressed with the speed at which I am syncing. 1185245;1435938370;mats;thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited 1185246;1435938777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00051648 = 7.489 BTC [-] 1185247;1435938868;shinohai;I also like that it doesn't use up a fuckton of memory and bandwidth during sync xD 1185248;1435939590;kakobrekla;http://rt.com/news/271435-kuwait-abuse-dna-database/ 1185249;1435939590;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dCv6Z8 ) 1185250;1435941339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00051671 = 17.7748 BTC [+] 1185251;1435941497;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1185252;1435941522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52754 @ 0.0005188 = 27.3688 BTC [+] {2} 1185253;1435941522;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185169 << published ? 1185254;1435941522;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 13:47:19; ben_vulpes: decimation: now is when i confess to a quarter-implemented blockchain->relational db importer 1185255;1435941538;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu 332732+ 1185256;1435941538;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1185257;1435941583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51346 @ 0.00050632 = 25.9975 BTC [-] {2} 1185258;1435941675;ascii_field;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185228 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174632 1185259;1435941675;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 14:50:54; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184638 << asciilifeform, could i get a re-link to that piece on SIDS/implied infanticide? 1185260;1435941675;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 23:15:25; gribble: Sarah Blaffer Hrdy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Sarah B. Hrdy — Anthropology: ; An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - Scientific ...: thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited << Honestly the documentary's content doesn't seem to support that point even though it advocates that point. 1185267;1435942965;scoopbot_revived;Survey: More Than a Third of American Adults Would Expatriate http://qntra.net/2015/07/survey-more-than-a-third-of-american-adults-would-expatriate/ 1185268;1435942991;BingoBoingo;mats: The actual evidence filmed supports the thesis that given the opportunity no one wants to work in fast food. 1185269;1435943459;pete_dushenski;"As there seems to be a political consensus in the U.S. around raising minimum wage to $12-15/hour, if we assume that Americans as a whole will respond to economic incentives in the same way as those who live in Puerto Rico, presumably the 50 states in 10 years will look like Puerto Rico today" 1185270;1435943489;pete_dushenski;^greenspun rehashing the 'usa becomes africa just like it always wanted' thing from the logs 1185271;1435943495;pete_dushenski;he reads 'em ! 1185272;1435943517;*;pete_dushenski waves to phil 1185273;1435943596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.0005095 = 18.8515 BTC [+] 1185274;1435943676;pete_dushenski;"We have 50 million people getting food stamps. What if, for at least one meal per day, those 50 million people were invited to come to a social meal? The same deal with SSDI. We could offer enhanced SSDI benefits for those who move to an “SSDI party village” where at least half of the neighbors are also on SSDI." 1185275;1435943677;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1185276;1435943683;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: link ? 1185277;1435943696;pete_dushenski;ok, that's kinda a lulzy idea...http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/03/can-puerto-rico-be-a-laboratory-for-the-future-of-the-rest-of-the-u-s/ 1185278;1435943750;ascii_field;'What if, for at least one meal per day, those 50 million people were invited to come to a social meal?' << kolhoz !! 1185279;1435943768;pete_dushenski;this 'ssdi party village' sounds like a soviet full moon party 1185280;1435943784;ascii_field;except that those folks ~worked~ 1185281;1435943805;pete_dushenski;sure, like kibbutz 1185282;1435943818;pete_dushenski;like everywhere without straight iv dole 1185283;1435943844;pete_dushenski;want to eat ? first, work. 1185284;1435943845;ascii_field;'straight dole' only works if coolies are breaking their backs somewhere 1185285;1435943881;pete_dushenski;or if bezzlars are being magicked into existence 1185286;1435943911;pete_dushenski;which, i suppose, only works when those bezzlars are being traded to back breaking labour across the pond somewheres 1185287;1435943923;pete_dushenski;s/to/for 1185288;1435944374;pete_dushenski;http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2015/07/apple-working-on-new-apple-pay-wallet-service-for-person-to-person-financial-transactions.html 1185289;1435944376;assbot;Apple Working on new Apple Pay Wallet service for Person-to-Person Financial Transactions - Patently Apple ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iz7DoE ) 1185290;1435944428;pete_dushenski;^usg tries to make p2p bitcoin transactions only legal using x in y place 1185291;1435944441;pete_dushenski;sorta a decentralised circle 1185292;1435944465;pete_dushenski;not gonna fly, obviously, but hey, rat always tries to swim before sinking 1185293;1435944545;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: ted k. had a book! 1185294;1435944552;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: written from jail. mega-recommended 1185295;1435944582;pete_dushenski;did not know that ! 1185296;1435944595;pete_dushenski;i knew of his two auto-biographies from his youth and early middle age 1185297;1435944605;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: 'Technological Slavery' 1185298;1435944633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00051722 = 1.6551 BTC [+] 1185299;1435944642;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: will add to roster of your mega-recommendations 1185300;1435944665;pete_dushenski;rise of early modern science is on shelf 1185301;1435944697;pete_dushenski;other b-a books include mp-advised 'secret life of dali' 1185302;1435944700;ascii_field;i dare say mr k's thing is a bit more... current 1185303;1435944712;ascii_field;in the sense of applicability to pete_dushenski's favourite subjects 1185304;1435944795;pete_dushenski;then a huntin' i shall go, a huntin' i shall go, hi ho the marry-o, a huntin' i shall go. 1185305;1435944804;ascii_field;now, plenty of folks predicted 'computer tyranny' - e.g, weizenbaum (of 'eliza' !) in his '70s 'computer power and human reason' - but, 1185306;1435944818;ascii_field;afaik nobody predicted that ~dysfunctional~ computing would be the mechanism 1185307;1435944847;pete_dushenski;well, 'dysfuntional' is a matter of perspective, isn't it 1185308;1435944854;mod6;237k+ 1185309;1435944868;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: in the sense of 'sorry, wasn't us, it was this bug' 1185310;1435944877;pete_dushenski;computers aren't rakes nor tractors, but they're fantastic noise machines. 1185311;1435945121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00051722 = 40.8087 BTC [+] 1185312;1435945302;ascii_field;in other nyooz, apparently 'reddit' has imploded and replaced with a very similar service, 'voat.co' 1185313;1435945311;BingoBoingo;Indeed. 1185314;1435945423;pete_dushenski;so voat.co/r/redditard ? 1185315;1435945445;BingoBoingo;Well voat.co/v/redditard 1185316;1435945452;ascii_field;looks like a straight clone 1185317;1435945468;punkman; pete_dushenski: computers aren't rakes nor tractors << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172051 1185318;1435945468;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 13:43:47; punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications" 1185319;1435945514;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: It's a workalike. Apparently had a few previous names it burned through before they decided to just wait for reddit to kill itself. 1185320;1435945553;pete_dushenski;punkman: ah yes, how farmers don't own the tools of their trade. sad story, that. 1185321;1435945607;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1185322;1435945610;ascii_field;can't wait for the first famine directly traceable to winblowz 1185323;1435945648;decimation;yeah, I was talking with a farmer once, apparently john deere etc are investing heavily in fully autonomous tractors 1185324;1435945662;decimation;because 1/1000 is too many working on the farms 1185325;1435945666;ascii_field;in other nyooz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/01/nz_swings_banhammer_at_trolls 1185326;1435945669;assbot;With Hobbit and LoTR in the can, Trolls no longer welcome in New Zealand • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYu4NH ) 1185327;1435945689;funkenstein_;i'm holding out for the john deere tin woman 1185328;1435945689;decimation;maybe in the future all farms will be owned by ADM, dept of usg agriculture 1185329;1435945724;decimation;actually I would pay good money for a robot that could wonder through a yard and pull weeds 1185330;1435945731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00051016 = 19.4881 BTC [-] {2} 1185331;1435945736;*;shinohai wants to use this version of windowze https://transfer.sh/BXQKy/windowze.jpg 1185332;1435945737;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYubc6 ) 1185333;1435945740;decimation;bonus points if it identifies species 1185334;1435945748;ascii_field;and http://www.cjr.org/watchdog/under_spains_gag_law_covering_the_news_could_cost_you.php 1185335;1435945749;assbot;Under Spain's gag law, covering the news could cost you - Columbia Journalism Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYubJ1 ) 1185336;1435945787;decimation;why doesn't vice/roshida jones cover actual abridgement of freedom of expression 1185337;1435945799;decimation;like, why can't I communicate the blockchain to anyone I wish, in any way I wish 1185338;1435945803;phf;i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties. 1185339;1435945803;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IzbYbq ) 1185340;1435945804;decimation;or bank in a way that I desire 1185341;1435945825;ascii_field;phf: neato! 1185342;1435945846;pete_dushenski;decimation: this is what roundup tries to do 1185343;1435945867;pete_dushenski;engineered biocide 1185344;1435945889;ascii_field;phf: post it to therealbitcoin.org ml! 1185345;1435945895;decimation;myeah, but it kills grass too 1185346;1435945932;pete_dushenski;decimation: well, it's a robot, not that bright y'know 1185347;1435945955;punkman;https://github.com/coinbase/toshi << this saves the blockchain in postgres btw 1185348;1435945957;assbot;coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYuyDs ) 1185349;1435945973;decimation;it would be neat if bitcoind could generate the same kinds of stats as blockchain.info 1185350;1435945975;ascii_field;punkman: is there one that isn't in a shitlang ? 1185351;1435945979;decimation;or perhaps a bolt-on 1185352;1435945993;punkman;ascii_field, probably a few of those 1185353;1435945996;pete_dushenski;decimation: besides, not like usafricanz are expensive labour. at least not within a decade 1185354;1435946001;shinohai;someone should write that in perl 1185355;1435946016;decimation;pete_dushenski: the problem is that usg bids up the price of otherwise servant labor 1185356;1435946026;ascii_field;most expensive in the world 1185357;1435946029;punkman;https://github.com/tinybike/coinbridge 1185358;1435946030;assbot;tinybike/coinbridge · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYuDHo ) 1185359;1435946048;decimation;usg wisely punishes you for working and rewards you for not 1185360;1435946049;pete_dushenski;decimation: ascii_field until people will take 'room and board' as compensation 1185361;1435946061;pete_dushenski;what minimum wage law can stop that arrangement ? 1185362;1435946070;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: not sure this will show any symptoms of happening any time prior to the die-off 1185363;1435946070;decimation;why would they when they can make $30-60k for being 'poor' 1185364;1435946079;decimation;^ 1185365;1435946091;*;funkenstein_ is looking for such a room and board position 1185366;1435946098;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: which die-off would this be now ? 1185367;1435946107;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: so many are ! 1185368;1435946108;ascii_field;anyway, 99+% of usa ALREADY works for room & board ! 1185369;1435946110;*;ascii_field does 1185370;1435946115;decimation;well, I was thinking of when all value passes through the bitcoin hole 1185371;1435946115;ascii_field;it is just done indirectly 1185372;1435946126;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: bullshit you do no such thing. 1185373;1435946134;decimation;ascii they give a little walking-around money too 1185374;1435946138;ascii_field;approximately 1185375;1435946143;pete_dushenski;room & board means ONLY ROOM & BOARD 1185376;1435946150;pete_dushenski;there are no approximations here 1185377;1435946158;pete_dushenski;certainly not ones off by 10%+ 1185378;1435946170;ascii_field;in that case, even in auschwitz folks didn't work for 'only room and board' 1185379;1435946190;funkenstein_;well that escalated quickly 1185380;1435946193;pete_dushenski;well, they worked to not be shot in back of head. 1185381;1435946201;ascii_field;not quite 1185382;1435946201;decimation;plus room and board 1185383;1435946204;ascii_field;money existed 1185384;1435946215;ascii_field;(at one point, a variant of paper reichsmark, but at all times - smokes) 1185385;1435946227;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: distributed by nazis ? i think not. 1185386;1435946236;pete_dushenski;used as iou amongst prisoners, sure 1185387;1435946238;ascii_field;well, more complicated 1185388;1435946247;ascii_field;germans paid 'bonuses' with favours 1185389;1435946257;ascii_field;(access to 'posh' jobs, fewer beatings, etc) 1185390;1435946262;ascii_field;which could in turn be traded 1185391;1435946271;ascii_field;this is amply described in the literature 1185392;1435946277;pete_dushenski;still covered under 'room & board' and still circumvents minimum wage fucktardery as presented 1185393;1435946321;pete_dushenski;so yes, auschwitzians lived under room & board arrangement, and no, you do not, ascii_field 1185394;1435946325;ascii_field;anyway, i reason in categories 1185395;1435946337;trinque;pete_dushenski: I had this notion regarding the bums all over portland, that someone should take them to nearby farms for day labor in exchange for meals, showers, and somewhere to be warehoused at night. 1185396;1435946345;trinque;it'd be a vast improvement for their lives 1185397;1435946348;ascii_field;if i'm not paid enough to 'reallocate capital' - to borrow mircea's terminology - than i am in same category as the 'room & board' folks 1185398;1435946381;pete_dushenski;trinque: most certainly. sounds like a swell idea to me. 1185399;1435946394;funkenstein_;Room and board are limited resources. Dorrars, not so much. Countereiters don't control food and bedding. 1185400;1435946402;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: you buying a case of z80s or pogos is reallocating capital 1185401;1435946406;pete_dushenski;however minor 1185402;1435946417;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: capital in the sense of machine-that-lets-you-eat-without-working 1185403;1435946432;ascii_field;not in the sense of my shoes 1185404;1435946437;ascii_field;and shirt 1185405;1435946527;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: this comes back again to the amount of $$$ you imagine is needed to 'eat like king' 1185406;1435946614;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: to the extent that the federal reserve is a counterfeiter, they most certainly control food (monsanto) and bedding (housing bubble) 1185407;1435946652;funkenstein_;only in so much as farmers and homeowners accept their counterfeits 1185408;1435946659;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: if you believe that i'm overpaying for something, i'd like to hear - for what 1185409;1435946680;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: and where ~you~ buy it, that wouldn't cost me the price of a fleet of 'boeings' to get to... 1185410;1435946772;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: which, sadly, they do. 1185411;1435946803;mats;BingoBoingo: 'There's no regulation', '... and it's really difficult to believe that the girls who were crying when they're being "raped" are always acting and performing' 1185412;1435946812;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: i guess i'll wait until i see a monthly budget breakdown on loper-os.com before i submit my analysis :) 1185413;1435946829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52150 @ 0.00051722 = 26.973 BTC [+] 1185414;1435946848;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: i'll give you something to chew on. for instance: i pay ~700+ usd / mo just to have the possibility of accessing basic medical care if i need it 1185415;1435946893;pete_dushenski;i just threw up in my mouth... 1185416;1435946901;mats;clever manipulation, this. imply women are being preyed on, that they haven't any agency, and that teens should be protected from themselves because she had no idea she was doing torture porn until she got to the set, and didn't resist at the critical moment 1185417;1435946903;funkenstein_;even assuming retarded farmers and homeowners accepting fiat, this is still not "control" in the sense of being able to issues a billion tons of rice. The stuff still has to exist and is limited. 1185418;1435946910;ascii_field;~2k usd to have reasonably spacious dwelling (90 sq m.) 1185419;1435946937;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: with health and living costs like that, how can you claim you're not overpaying for -anything- ?? 1185420;1435946948;funkenstein_;pete_dushenski, lol 1185421;1435946951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105609 @ 0.0005028 = 53.1002 BTC [-] {3} 1185422;1435946952;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: because i'm not in a market. 1185423;1435946956;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: can't go anywhere 1185424;1435946983;mats;rashida jones knows exactly what she's doing, and she believes she's manipulating folks into doing the right thing by preying on the viewer's instinct to protect women and children 1185425;1435946996;*;ascii_field would like to the eleven or so threads where he described this, but won't bother, probably everyone reading this recalls 1185426;1435947004;ascii_field;*like to link to 1185427;1435947022;mats;goering would be proud. 1185428;1435947035;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: fair enough, not exactly nyooz, this. 1185429;1435947037;ascii_field;mats: goebbels ? 1185430;1435947069;pete_dushenski;just the way the cookie crumbles for some (includes physical and mental outcomes) 1185431;1435947075;funkenstein_;ascii_field, have you considered that anything costing 700 USD per month is far more likely to be a detriment to health than a basic medical care? 1185432;1435947083;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: as a pathological example: just about anybody's living costs could be lowered by moving to africa, but for some reason very few takers 1185433;1435947118;mats;oops, yes, goebbels 1185434;1435947119;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: u.s. is a big place. not all are so afflicted. 1185435;1435947122;ascii_field;funkenstein_: i pay the 700 in order ~not to wake up with a bill for 500,000~ 1185436;1435947136;funkenstein_;the quickest way to an early grave is the AMA 1185437;1435947136;ascii_field;(can still wake up with a bill for 10,000!) 1185438;1435947162;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: for me, usa is this roughly 200 km. sq. spot where i can get to my meatwot 1185439;1435947174;ascii_field;without which i'm worth my weight in pork 1185440;1435947178;ascii_field;(to borrow mircea's term) 1185441;1435947201;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: worth to whom ? 1185442;1435947208;pete_dushenski;employer ? or meatwot ? 1185443;1435947217;ascii_field;same thing 1185444;1435947241;pete_dushenski;meatwot can mean fambly, no ? 1185445;1435947251;ascii_field;what family i've left is in it too 1185446;1435947296;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: well did you ever think that if maybe you weren't so darned talented, you'd have more options ? 1185447;1435947311;ascii_field;lol 1185448;1435947329;ascii_field;a corpse, buried at sea, has the most options: 1185449;1435947332;ascii_field;could go literally anywhere 1185450;1435947343;ascii_field;(though ashes-scattered-in-orbit, from what i hear, is even better) 1185451;1435947347;pete_dushenski;ahh, the good life... 1185452;1435947358;mats;on yesterday's subject of poker: the concept of revealing 'hole cards' as transparency to enable auditing and prevent cheating seems to keep coming up in my discussions about WoT poker with online poker players 1185453;1435947370;mats;is there some way of computing some function of the cards that reveals certain properties of the aggregate of the table without revealing people's particular cards 1185454;1435947378;ascii_field;mats: yes! 1185455;1435947380;mats;homomorphic properties of some crypto-system perhaps 1185456;1435947390;ascii_field;mats: see 'millionaire protocol' 1185457;1435947408;ascii_field;mats: see work of paillier et al 1185458;1435947408;mats;oh, doh, this was mentioned 1185459;1435947420;ascii_field;and shamir for the original poker 1185460;1435947455;mod6;!up ascii_field 1185461;1435947462;ascii_field;ty mod6 1185462;1435947465;mod6;np 1185463;1435947471;ascii_field;how goes your sync 1185464;1435947483;mod6;well! crusing right along. 1185465;1435947503;mod6;239k+ 1185466;1435947511;ascii_field;335+ 1185467;1435947524;mod6;oh wow, your nearly there. great! 1185468;1435947537;mod6;might be just over 48hrs or something for direct sync 1185469;1435947552;ascii_field;largely cpu-bound 1185470;1435947561;ascii_field;incidentally, anybody ever try parallelizing sigchecking ? 1185471;1435947569;mats;got a link/name to paillier paper(s)? 1185472;1435947595;ascii_field;mats: https://github.com/mikeivanov/paillier << example 1185473;1435947596;assbot;mikeivanov/paillier · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyrCFy ) 1185474;1435947617;ascii_field;http://mhe.github.io/jspaillier 1185475;1435947618;assbot;Javascript Paillier demo page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyrGVS ) 1185476;1435947618;ascii_field;etc 1185477;1435947643;mod6;<+ascii_field> incidentally, anybody ever try parallelizing sigchecking ? << this would be interesting to try & do some perf testing with. 1185478;1435947656;ascii_field;ought to parallelize linearly 1185479;1435947661;trinque;pete_dushenski | ascii_field: well did you ever think that if maybe you weren't so darned talented, you'd have more options ? << if you want to make money in the US economy, don't swim against the bezzle 1185480;1435947670;trinque;trying to do something requiring talent? that's swimming against the bezzle! 1185481;1435947699;pete_dushenski;trinque: lol same in canada 1185482;1435947714;pete_dushenski;i know, i used to work for the largest employer in the province, 5th largest in country 1185483;1435947719;pete_dushenski;100k+ employees 1185484;1435947733;pete_dushenski;cushy, well paid, and mortally dull 1185485;1435947770;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: well-paid ~per minute of actual work~ ? 1185486;1435947779;ascii_field;because 'mortally dull' sounds like they actually made you work 1185487;1435947783;BingoBoingo;OpenCL sig verification? 1185488;1435947789;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: ick 1185489;1435947802;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: worked 15-20 hrs per week, paid 37.75 1185490;1435947805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70551 @ 0.00049859 = 35.176 BTC [-] {3} 1185491;1435947819;pete_dushenski;*paid FOR 37.75 hrs per week 1185492;1435947822;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: might not be making myself clear here. you ~sat in chair~ for x hours, or ~worked~ 1185493;1435947856;pete_dushenski;when i sat in chair, about 7-10 hrs per week, i worked 1185494;1435947863;pete_dushenski;rest of the time 'in the field' 1185495;1435947867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00049171 = 10.3997 BTC [-] {2} 1185496;1435947896;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: what was your profession in those days ? 1185497;1435947912;pete_dushenski;public health inspector :) 1185498;1435947939;ascii_field;so got to see the secret rat-sized cockroaches in restaurants, etc ? 1185499;1435947944;pete_dushenski;2.5 years across food and housing mostly 1185500;1435947967;pete_dushenski;mould, bed bugs, water damage, flooding in housing 1185501;1435947968;*;ascii_field wonders now if pete_dushenski is physically able to eat in a restaurant now 1185502;1435947973;ascii_field;ah 1185503;1435947992;ascii_field;mats: http://acsc.cs.utexas.edu/libpaillier 1185504;1435947993;assbot;Advanced Crypto Software Collection ... ( http://bit.ly/1KysDgL ) 1185505;1435947999;ascii_field;^ uses gmp 1185506;1435948019;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: i eat out regularly ! 1185507;1435948040;pete_dushenski;even the lowest of the low restaurants here, outside chinatown at least, are quite good 1185508;1435948054;pete_dushenski;'always room for improvement' was what keeps inspectors busy 1185509;1435948070;pete_dushenski;was/is 1185510;1435948160;pete_dushenski;while in food program, i only ever issued one executive officer's order on the spot 1185511;1435948170;pete_dushenski;and it wasn't even a 'closure order' 1185512;1435948185;pete_dushenski;just 'no more games' order 1185513;1435948223;pete_dushenski;fines in alberta can be upwards of $100k for continual violations, plus court costs 1185514;1435948284;pete_dushenski;public health act in alberta has paramouncy over everything except human rights act. 1185515;1435948292;pete_dushenski;interventionism is taken seriously here ! 1185516;1435948430;mats;thanks, ascii_field 1185517;1435948643;mats;;;seen dignork 1185518;1435948644;gribble;dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: mircea_popescu: you wouldn't believe amount of horribly broken code which blows up in ipv6 environment, anything from integer overflows,crashes,malfunctions to firewalls leaving your machine exposed 1185519;1435948677;mats;;;later tell dignork http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025687 << this ever go anywhere? 1185520;1435948677;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2015 14:56:37; dignork: mircea_popescu: I can't currently handle it myself, but I can bring a friend and we'll split the work, would you be interested to cooperate? 1185521;1435948677;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1185522;1435948717;mats;oh, probably better to just ping mp about it. 1185523;1435948739;mats;!up dignork 1185524;1435948744;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 tried the new patches, failed utterly xD 1185525;1435948745;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1185526;1435948773;mats;dignork: sup. 1185527;1435948780;dignork;mats: it's still in dev, but yeah 1185528;1435948801;mats;got an eta? 1185529;1435948837;dignork;not solid, but beta in 2 weeks or so 1185530;1435948852;dignork;private beta so far 1185531;1435948880;ascii_field;dignork wrote a cryptographic poker ? 1185532;1435948923;dignork;ascii_field: it's less cooler than i wished :) For example there is an interesting problem with blind shuffling. 1185533;1435948941;dignork;but no such things in my project :) 1185534;1435948944;mircea_popescu;ascii_field o hey. sweet. anything unusual ? 1185535;1435948957;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: in node? not thus far 1185536;1435948974;mircea_popescu;ragnarok of dissapoint! 1185537;1435948989;ascii_field;well i haven't 'eatblock'ified anything past 217335 yet 1185538;1435949028;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1185539;1435949047;mircea_popescu;anyway i'll feel a lot better about this world and my life once this has been actually reviewed by third parties. ie , you. 1185540;1435949112;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: at present, i doubt that we'll turn up any oddities in the blocks per se 1185541;1435949131;mircea_popescu;right. i don't think so either. 1185542;1435949210;ascii_field;what i did learn is that mapBlockIndex grows linearly (300 bt) for every block ever seen. 1185543;1435949227;ascii_field;that that in order to change this, it'd have to live on disk 1185544;1435949232;ascii_field;(naturally, cached) 1185545;1435949277;mod6;!up ascii_field 1185546;1435949286;mod6;shinohai: ok let's work through it 1185547;1435949319;mats;dignork: i'm looking forward to a test drive 1185548;1435949328;shinohai;@ mod6 I think I should start with a bare build. the other one is fine, son't want to touch it xD 1185549;1435949333;shinohai;*don't 1185550;1435949360;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future. 1185551;1435949382;mircea_popescu;i suspek computing is moving towards joint ram/disk anyway. 1185552;1435949428;mod6;yeah, that's what i was saying before: leave your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE as-is. Then setup a new environment to give the "stator" build a try -- is pre-patched, so should be able to compile and run, or if your slightly more daring, just run the included pre-compiled (by alf) binary (ensure to check sigs first!) 1185553;1435949496;shinohai;kk but the whole reason I want to do this is so I can try the new patches by ascii_field, the blockdump 1185554;1435949529;mod6;sure, ok. so what we'll need to do (and even I haven't tried patching those in myself yet) is to extract the stator, then apply the patches. 1185555;1435949534;mats;that'll be interesting when the dichotomy vanishes. linux has been adding support for persistent memory afaik 1185556;1435949541;mats;'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked 1185557;1435949548;mod6;lemme give it a shot on my end first, see what happens so I can give you valid help 1185558;1435949553;mod6;just a minute here. 1185559;1435949573;mats;nothing merged so far though 1185560;1435949587;trinque;jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? requiring that on my mailserver's end has drastically cut down on spam, but I think that's causing me to miss mailing list messages 1185561;1435949593;trinque;it it's too much trouble, don't worry about it 1185562;1435949620;trinque;for some odd reason spam botnets don't seem to bother at all with tls being required 1185563;1435949626;trinque;maybe a performance thing 1185564;1435949672;trinque;I went from 100s of spamz a day to 0 with this one weird trick. 1185565;1435949692;punkman;mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release 1185566;1435949749;shinohai;There should be a super-secret #b-a mining pool. 1185567;1435949775;trinque;shinohai: isn't the idea that you want your pool as big as possible? 1185568;1435949787;trinque;(not that I don't like secret clubs) 1185569;1435949852;shinohai;^ truth 1185570;1435949909;shinohai;stratum mining proxy already forked to accept larger blocksize :/ 1185571;1435949999;trinque;meh, dunno why any miner would want that 1185572;1435950075;trinque;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum 1185573;1435950076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLWjFv ) 1185574;1435950097;mod6;one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures. 1185575;1435950142;mod6;punkman: ok. i thought we had decided to leave the miner in there for now. but yeah, thanks I'll let ya know. 1185576;1435950154;mod6;we've got quite a lot to do before we're there anyway. 1185577;1435950171;mircea_popescu;ascii_field http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/ 1185578;1435950172;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWpDKb ) 1185579;1435950212;trinque;is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ? 1185580;1435950233;*;trinque reads the ml message, derp 1185581;1435950262;mircea_popescu;mats quite. 1185582;1435950267;mircea_popescu;many people's ideal machine. 1185583;1435950306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86283 @ 0.00049137 = 42.3969 BTC [-] {3} 1185584;1435950517;BingoBoingo;OH SHIT /R/BUTTCOIN forcibly reopened by Chairman Pao https://i.imgur.com/1woKG9P.png 1185585;1435950517;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqavO ) 1185586;1435950551;trinque;important business lawl 1185587;1435950586;mats;BingoBoingo: this must be a hoax 1185588;1435950606;trinque;https://www.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-GB&q=Reddit+alternative#q=Reddit%20alternative&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B7 1185589;1435950607;assbot;Google Trends ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWqj26 ) 1185590;1435950607;BingoBoingo;Who knowsanymore with reddit 1185591;1435950714;mircea_popescu;lol it was closed ?! 1185592;1435950716;shinohai;The plot thickens 1185593;1435950718;mircea_popescu;why was it closed. 1185594;1435950738;punkman;because they fired some chick 1185595;1435950748;mircea_popescu;buttcoin had employees ?! 1185596;1435950769;mircea_popescu;check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits. 1185597;1435950771;punkman;no, reddit fired a chick, moderators closed down subreddits in protest 1185598;1435950773;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is this going on qntra ? 1185599;1435950800;mircea_popescu;goies nicely with the discussion of that time when they fucked up deleting a qntra article iirc. 1185600;1435950843;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Reddit death already had a big one. This one's getting a quick note 1185601;1435950850;phf;mod6: it would be nice to have an mbox or maildir tgz for the mailing list with all the attachments still included. took me couple of hours to reconstruct and verify patch list, while could've been done in matter of minutes with procmail and mimetools 1185602;1435950877;trinque;phf: you could crawl that patches page maybe 1185603;1435950882;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo kk 1185604;1435950920;trinque;I didn't know the patches page existed til today 1185605;1435951037;mircea_popescu;heddesk 1185606;1435951221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00048994 = 6.8018 BTC [-] 1185607;1435951222;scoopbot_revived;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement/ 1185608;1435951223;phf;trinque: tbh i thought it was broken, since it's missing chicken, gui, etc. only once i went through the exercise of making my own did i realize that those are not part of mailing list history 1185609;1435951246;trinque;ah, yeah 1185610;1435951269;mod6;So a bunch have patches have been submitted in the last month. A read through each of the emails is kindof required at this point because they all have specific instructions and dependantcies. 1185611;1435951292;mod6;I will work on a patch list and maybe a script later this month. It is a bit hard to follow. 1185612;1435951382;mod6;I'll work on something for that within the next week probably. 1185613;1435951593;scoopbot_revived;Further Reddit Outrage as Unpaid Moderators Rebel http://qntra.net/2015/07/further-reddit-outrage-as-unpaid-moderators-rebel/ 1185614;1435951674;BingoBoingo;On that note, I'll brb in a few units of time. 1185615;1435951684;mod6;phf: anyway, what exactly is it that you're trying to achieve? 1185616;1435951802;shinohai;The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try and take over the world! 1185617;1435951811;trinque;!b 2 1185618;1435951812;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CT1TGM.txt ) 1185619;1435951819;mod6;ex: are you trying to patch v0.5.3 to get to v0.5.3.1? (You can just download the release tarball). Are you trying to patch v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with alf's patches? (must read emails to figure out the deps, OR you can just build the stator which includes all of alf's patches with exception of dumpblock & eatblock), those must be patched post extraction of the stator tarball -- of which im actually testing now. 1185620;1435951864;*;trinque puts the laptop in the freezer while it builds boost 1185621;1435951865;mod6;which, btw, they hvae patched in just fine... building the whole thing now. 1185622;1435951880;mod6;(with openssl/bdb/boost) 1185623;1435951911;mod6;I'm creating a log of this, and will post for everyone to look at once complete. 1185624;1435951982;*;shinohai thanks mod6 for the dedication 1185625;1435951993;mod6;yw :] 1185626;1435952026;mod6;heh, this boost compile is taking a while, because i'm also syncing at the same time haha 1185627;1435952052;shinohai;I'm almost @ block 200000 1185628;1435952067;mod6;good deal! 1185629;1435952122;shinohai;Then when I get this new build up, I can sync up to the correct nodes, and .torrent dat chain. 1185630;1435952132;phf;mod6: i don't necessarily have problems, i have a bitcoind with all the patches up to eatblock (haven't looked at stator yet, but then i'm building with enemy tools). the way i assembled patches is by reading through web archive and saving/verifying each patch as i saw it 1185631;1435952154;mod6;ahhh 1185632;1435952171;mod6;can you point me to the web-archive you're using? just curious. 1185633;1435952211;phf;the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface 1185634;1435952240;phf;mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/thread.html etc. 1185635;1435952241;assbot;The BTC-dev October 2014 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1gf5e7s ) 1185636;1435952244;mod6;ahh. im not sure i remember mbox. and yeah, the whole thing is a bit... unwieldly 1185637;1435952296;mod6;so wait, you're just going through each email and pulling out patches? or are you on that part of jurov's website with the signed patches? 1185638;1435952360;phf;mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" 1185639;1435952380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00048928 = 3.2292 BTC [-] {2} 1185640;1435952406;mod6;<+phf> the process was needlessly complicated since my mail client lets me do a bunch of those steps (patching, gpg verifying, etc) with a single key, so if i had an mbox, i could just import it, and then use a more familiar interface << so, what I've done in the past was; create a perl script that pulls down and verifies all the patches and applies them to a common baseline. 1185641;1435952436;mod6;plus, create a How-To guide. Both of which need updating for the flurry of recent patches that have been submitted. Just haven't had a chance yet. 1185642;1435952473;mod6;<+phf> mod6: no no each email. i thought that was the whole point of ascii's approach, i.e. linux kernel style "read email, think, apply the patch" << im not sure what their process is. 1185643;1435952610;funkenstein_;"southern pride" spamming qntra in an effort to discredit the site methinks 1185644;1435952693;phf;mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the next email 1185645;1435952722;mod6;ok, i like mutt :] 1185646;1435952746;mod6;are you asking me to write an email client script? 1185647;1435952822;mod6;basically, instead of me making a whole bunch of different one-off scripts for peoples seperate clients and whatever stack they've got, I just create one script that will patch in & verify all the scripts at once. usually after I've tried and tested them all myself, peronsally. 1185648;1435952864;mod6;But I've only started scratching the surface with alf's latest, so this hasn't been done yet. All of these are still in my "Highly Experemental" category. AKA: use at your own risk. 1185649;1435952869;phf;mod6: no, i'm asking you to provide an archive of raw messages as they were received and stored by mailman. something like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October.txt, but withtout attachments split into separate files 1185650;1435952883;mod6;But as I get through more of these and test more of these, I'll put something together to make this process easier. 1185651;1435952944;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1185652;1435952975;shinohai;mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD 1185653;1435953023;mod6;phf: there are specific reasons why the attachments are split into separate files. 1185654;1435953054;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185550 << yes problem. because pogo. 1185655;1435953054;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:49:20; mircea_popescu: ascii_field in practice this may not be a problem. the gavincoin insanities aside, growing by 300 bytes every ten minutes may well be sustainable indefinitely into the future. 1185656;1435953066;ascii_field;and because infinitely growing data structures is what gods made disk for 1185657;1435953068;ascii_field;not ram 1185658;1435953089;phf;mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows 1185659;1435953096;ascii_field;('disk' in the broad sense of relatively slow, inexpensive place to park bits) 1185660;1435953112;mod6;phf: yeah, im not sure what you're asking for 1185661;1435953124;mod6;jurov: can you parse this and understand what he's talking about?? ^^^ 1185662;1435953126;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185556 << unix on a single-addressspace box is mega-l0l 1185663;1435953126;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:52:21; mats: 'pramfs' looked furthest along when i last checked 1185664;1435953176;mod6;[jurov run's the mailman stuff, so he'd be probably more apt to grok whatever your asking for ] 1185665;1435953183;trinque;what are you guys building stator on? 1185666;1435953194;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185565 << imho the miner must live 1185667;1435953194;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:54:52; punkman: mod6, let me know if you want me to rebase/resubmit cpuminer-snip or guicruft-snip before the next release 1185668;1435953200;ascii_field;(discussed in old threads) 1185669;1435953209;ascii_field;~reference client~ MUST have some example of working miner. 1185670;1435953253;ascii_field;put it this way, if tomorrow you are shipped to alpha centauri with just the reference client, you must be able to set up bitcoin there. 1185671;1435953262;jurov;um...er... if you want whole emails..then just receive them? 1185672;1435953289;jurov;i don't understand, either 1185673;1435953297;shinohai;ikr, I get it all in the mailing list, no confusion there. 1185674;1435953366;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185644 << terrible idea 1185675;1435953366;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:44:53; phf: mod6: well, lets say you have something like mutt open with the current email. it's pretty easy to write a script that takes current email and feeds it to an external script, that splits out patch, verifies it with the provided sig, and then applies it to the codebase (or pushes it into some queue of patches as a case may be). i.e. you read the email, push "p" to do everything for you, and then move on to the n 1185676;1435953376;ascii_field;may as well use 'git' etc. then 1185677;1435953402;trinque;could refine that to "and then presents me a buffer of the diff" 1185678;1435953406;trinque;which you can apply or not 1185679;1435953456;ascii_field;the point, which i've been trying and apparently failing to make for ages, is that if you are thinking about automating this, you are 'doing things wrong' 1185680;1435953481;ascii_field;the manual gymnastics on command line should be a ~VANISHINGLY~ small fraction of your efforts 1185681;1435953483;ascii_field;when reviewing patches 1185682;1435953492;ascii_field;if they loom large, it is because you are not spending the requisite effort 1185683;1435953494;ascii_field;in reading 1185684;1435953497;phf;jurov: i only joined the conversation recently, so i don't have a complete history of emails. of course i'm getting complete emails now, but not the past ones 1185685;1435953528;shinohai;I don't think I would want an automatic solution in that regard. 1185686;1435953560;ascii_field;my point is that this is Not Like Other Projects 1185687;1435953600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138950 @ 0.00048433 = 67.2977 BTC [-] {4} 1185688;1435953705;jurov;i have nothing against publishing the mailbox 1185689;1435953735;*;trinque respects the various buttons he's created for himself to do all kinds of destructive things 1185690;1435953740;jurov;but you sorely underestimate the work needed to put together http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html 1185691;1435953742;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gf74VU ) 1185692;1435953742;trinque;but I see the point clearly 1185693;1435953745;phf;ascii_field: having a turnkey solution is not the intent behind my request (though i prefer tools in my mail client to messing around with lynx/wget.) i'm interested in having a "take to mars" copy of bitcoind history. right now it's a bit all over the place. patches here, email text there, etc. 1185694;1435953759;ascii_field;fair 1185695;1435953768;jurov;and info for columns "released in"/"based on" must be done manually anyway 1185696;1435953793;jurov;(donations welcome) 1185697;1435953795;ascii_field;probably the most dire omission is any 'family tree' for the patches 1185698;1435953908;mats;no takers for 0.1BTC to pick up a pogo so far huh 1185699;1435953950;mats;ill bump it up to 0.25 to subsidize purchase of 1tb spinning disk or a SSD 1185700;1435953975;ascii_field;mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd 1185701;1435953984;ascii_field;or won't lay block in <10min 1185702;1435953990;ascii_field;(no ram for caching!) 1185703;1435953992;mats;o 1185704;1435954090;shinohai;@ mats O.o 0.1 to buy pogo wid ? 1185705;1435954100;mats;wid? 1185706;1435954106;shinohai;*with 1185707;1435954130;Jautenim;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180981 tried today and failed 1185708;1435954130;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 04:05:44; *: BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon 1185709;1435954131;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1185710;1435954136;mats;0.25 to buy pogo for purpose of setting up node, if you are L1/L2 1185711;1435954151;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185579 << no. stands alone (just add distfiles for deps) 1185712;1435954151;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:03:32; trinque: is this stator archive meant to be untarred overtop 0.5.3-RELEASE ? 1185713;1435954159;ascii_field;it was meant to be a picture of my (at the time) set 1185714;1435954160;shinohai;I *think* i am a lowly 1 >.< 1185715;1435954162;Jautenim;I coaxed it to compile the turd but segfaults straight away 1185716;1435954172;trinque;ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known 1185717;1435954183;ascii_field;^ where ? 1185718;1435954187;trinque;I'll paste 1185719;1435954188;ascii_field;uclibc ? 1185720;1435954194;ascii_field;or ordinary glibc 1185721;1435954196;trinque;no glibc and gentoo hardened 1185722;1435954205;ascii_field;odd 1185723;1435954221;trinque;I'll restart from the beginning and paste the whole thing 1185724;1435954235;mats;!gettrust shinohai assbot 1185725;1435954235;assbot;Trust relationship from user shinohai to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/ 1185726;1435954247;ascii_field;presently i suspect that 'musl' is the only glibc replacement that has any promise 1185727;1435954262;phf;jurov: i'm not in a position to make suggestions to the way things are done in the republic :) i used patches.html, i found some issues with it from the perspective of figuring out what transpired before i started paying attention, so i did extra work on top. cura te ipsum. i figured having mailbox available will make the works of others after me easier 1185728;1435954268;ascii_field;(author explicitly subscribes to the 'short, readable, and compatible' thing) 1185729;1435954286;mod6;i saw that comment yesterday, I briefly looked at it's page ascii_field, I'll take a deeper look at musl soon. hopefully that'll get us further? 1185730;1435954303;ascii_field;last night i looked into doing a 'buildroot' with it 1185731;1435954318;ascii_field;but presently haven't the time to do a proper job of it 1185732;1435954342;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185596 << i may be thick - what is being admitted to here ? 1185733;1435954342;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:12:49; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, us agitprop dept actuallky admits. 1185734;1435954412;jurov;phf why you're not in such and such position? 1185735;1435954473;mod6;ok shinohai: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt 1185736;1435954474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYJMZi ) 1185737;1435954515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00048783 = 22.367 BTC [+] 1185738;1435954673;shinohai;ty mod6 reading nau 1185739;1435954697;mod6;that btw, was built on x86-64 deb6/glibc env. 1185740;1435954718;shinohai;Should build on Jessie np 1185741;1435954742;mod6;it should allow you to sync off of mp's blockchain w/the appropriate cmdline params and then do dumpblock/eatblock when it's finished or whatever you like. 1185742;1435954770;shinohai;awesum 1185743;1435954771;mod6;!up ascii_field 1185744;1435954777;mod6;:] 1185745;1435954786;jurov; jurov: could the btc-dev mailing list send mail via tls? ok, considered 1185746;1435954805;ascii_field;mod6: waitasec, that's a valid build 1185747;1435954813;ascii_field;but didn't you say 'barfed' ? 1185748;1435954818;mod6;when? 1185749;1435954823;trinque;jurov: ty 1185750;1435954827;jurov; one of the things that pains me with the SHA1s re-written into the filenames, is if you pull these files with curl, you have to rename them to their original names before you can verify the signatures. << good point 1185751;1435954836;ascii_field;mod6: ah no, that was trinque 1185752;1435954841;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185716 1185753;1435954841;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 20:09:32; trinque: ascii_field: got a barf about fPIC in boost, which iirc is already known 1185754;1435954848;trinque;yar, rebuilding now 1185755;1435954852;mod6;ascii_field: i did have a problem with it a number of days ago when I first tried it, but it was just an environment related issue. this build, I literally just did it, worked fine. 1185756;1435954860;mod6;ah ok 1185757;1435954880;trinque;I wanna do some gcov work this weekend 1185758;1435954892;mod6;and trinque, did you hvae that -fPIC issue on gentoo with uClibC? that's the same error I was talking about all last month and in the SoBA 1185759;1435954902;trinque;yeah but this is glibc 1185760;1435954905;trinque;my lappy 1185761;1435954907;mod6;ah hmm 1185762;1435955119;mod6;so phf brings to light a good point, reading through the email list, especially if you haven't read the b-a logs from oct-14 on is probably more than a bit hard to follow. ascii_field brings up a good point about having a 'family tree' 1185763;1435955189;mod6;there are a number of different directions these emails go in; patching for v0.5.3.1, pogotronic, gentoo, etc, etc. so I'll try my best to make this apparent when I write up a patch list, etc. 1185764;1435955204;mod6;i'm not sure what to do about this as far as the email list is concerened, yet. 1185765;1435955208;ascii_field;mod6: i kinda assumed you and ben_vulpes would roll the patch sequence docs into releases 1185766;1435955225;ascii_field;(iirc this was the case in 5.3.1 actually) 1185767;1435955244;mod6;yah. we would certainly put all the patches applied to a specific baseline into RELEASE_NOTES.txt as it was for v0.5.3.1 1185768;1435955277;jurov;phf, if you can make better patchlist, are you willing to contribute your script? 1185769;1435955281;shinohai;That would be the easiest, releases 1185770;1435955311;mod6;but pre-milestone release, it does get hard to follow. and since I do believe it'll still be some time before we get the next milestone cut, I should prepare some sort of document so individuals can help test. (we very much appreciate the enthusiasm and the help!) 1185771;1435955356;shinohai;I have little better that piques the imagination 1185772;1435955438;mod6;anyway, we'll get there. 1185773;1435955455;mod6;a wise man told me once: life is short and art is long. 1185774;1435955491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00048783 = 16.9277 BTC [+] 1185775;1435955571;phf;jurov: i don't think there's complete understanding as to what should go into patchlist yet. the one we have now is fine, and i'm sure it will be improved 1185776;1435955631;phf;i was actually taking a harder position, if somebody wants to follow along they should read the mailing list from the beginning, and having it all accessible in one place for offline reading helps 1185777;1435955681;mod6;and really, if you wanna follow along, it helps to have the historical timeline 'in head' as well by reading the logs since last October. 1185778;1435955707;mod6;it can't hurt anyway 1185779;1435955901;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185572 << these appear to be in entirely random order... 1185780;1435955901;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:01:15; trinque: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ossum 1185781;1435955904;ascii_field;^ jurov ? 1185782;1435955925;jurov;i see 1185783;1435955991;mod6;oh yeah, now that page was the one i was referring to; i find it pretty unhelpful at all unless you're looking for just who submitted/signed & the sig. 1185784;1435956010;mod6;not that I have any better ideas at this point. 1185785;1435956018;mod6;phf: was this the page you were trying to follow? 1185786;1435956040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00049972 = 29.8583 BTC [+] {2} 1185787;1435956074;jurov;phf: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/btc-dev.mbox.xz 1185788;1435956076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBQtWt ) 1185789;1435956090;jurov;not auto updated, url subject to change 1185790;1435956130;phf;jurov: thanks! 1185791;1435956160;mod6;!rate shinohai 1 Helping to test the bitcoin Reference Implementation 1185792;1435956160;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/53372c05ce8628eb 1185793;1435956165;mats;https://i.imgur.com/mVkykL1.jpg 1185794;1435956166;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBQGce ) 1185795;1435956196;mod6;!rate trinque 2 Provided much assistance with Gentoo 1185796;1435956196;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/09935656edb7cd6f 1185797;1435956385;mircea_popescu;buncha amateurs the people in this country i swear... 1185798;1435956393;mircea_popescu;i've not seen the likes of it since romania. 1185799;1435956419;mod6;!assbot:mod6.rate.shinohai.1:166411dcdc19e0619447eec6756b67e99dd3dd7c8ac794832a8fdf651173e770 1185800;1435956427;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ? 1185801;1435956473;kakobrekla;mod6 the prefix is '!v' 1185802;1435956480;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.shinohai.1:166411dcdc19e0619447eec6756b67e99dd3dd7c8ac794832a8fdf651173e770 1185803;1435956480;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: Helping to test the bitcoin Reference Implementation 1185804;1435956484;mod6;thanks kakobrekla 1185805;1435956487;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.trinque.2:169cd6f50f90268d762985db26d2684aae73f0608210b216475944c337511014 1185806;1435956487;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 1 to 2 with note: Provided much assistance with Gentoo 1185807;1435956494;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what is "the very important business" a reddit chapter seeded and mostly fed by usg's own something awful crew would conceivably be doing iyo ? 1185808;1435956555;ascii_field;aha that 1185809;1435956584;ascii_field;was speaking of the 'in this country' bit 1185810;1435956588;shinohai;\o/ ty mod6 1185811;1435956605;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field 1185812;1435956623;mircea_popescu;ah. just a buncha stupid kids "trying" like the entire world were a kindergarten and "best effort" were a thing and really, we're just playing here. 1185813;1435956669;mod6;thanks for your help shinohai 1185814;1435956716;mircea_popescu;!rated shinohai 1185815;1435956716;assbot;You have not rated shinohai. 1185816;1435956717;shinohai;glad to be of at least some minuscule service 1185817;1435956723;mircea_popescu;!rate shinohai 1 New blood. 1185818;1435956723;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4a8228734ec58a72 1185819;1435956751;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.shinohai.1:69e4bc8a9153033824d3eb9343ba203c5b7eedd3510b7067e202e06cf4531194 1185820;1435956751;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: New blood. 1185821;1435956779;shinohai;ty mircea_popescu 1185822;1435957060;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184112 << either the only person figuring this shit's funny was german, or else they suffer from the disadvantage of being the second largest thing in nato. 1185823;1435957060;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 09:30:01; assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2} 1185824;1435957130;mats;eh 1185825;1435957170;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184130 << running out of random letter combinations over at the start-up culture plant/ 1185826;1435957170;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 12:44:57; punkman: just go wih it 1185827;1435957218;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184142 <<< o.O so this is worth what, like 30 bn or so ? 1185828;1435957218;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 13:01:45; ronaz: on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients 1185829;1435957298;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184181 o.O 1185830;1435957298;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 15:51:49; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick 1185831;1435957309;mircea_popescu;oh nm, 30k of which some actually did 20 euro alrighty. 1185832;1435957312;mats;https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc loll 1185833;1435957313;assbot;Pétition · Ellen K. Pao: Step down as CEO of Reddit Inc. · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBT0jw ) 1185834;1435957340;Duffer1;lmao 1185835;1435957352;mircea_popescu;no dude, she's doing a great job. let her stay. 1185836;1435957364;mircea_popescu;she's even better than that fucktardina chick that sunk hp 1185837;1435957393;ascii_field;'heightening the contradictions' (tm) 1185838;1435957414;mircea_popescu;!up bl4ckh4t 1185839;1435957419;mats;she may even be ready for a presidential run in 2020 1185840;1435957427;mircea_popescu;i gotta say i absolutely am loving the choices of women to put "in tech" the enema's makin'. 1185841;1435957428;mats;the first asian woman!!1 1185842;1435957431;mircea_popescu;straight out of asshole. 1185843;1435957437;mircea_popescu;!up aseriousgogetta 1185844;1435957441;mircea_popescu;mats he's azn ? 1185845;1435957447;mats;ellen pao is asian 1185846;1435957449;mircea_popescu;wasn't she from baltimore or something 1185847;1435957465;mats;i mean, she's yellow. kinda asian. 1185848;1435957548;mats;first-generation chinese-american 1185849;1435957558;mircea_popescu;a ok. 1185850;1435957563;*;mircea_popescu never got what difference it makes 1185851;1435957565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96300 @ 0.00050808 = 48.9281 BTC [+] {4} 1185852;1435957565;mircea_popescu;!up RH311ish 1185853;1435957580;mircea_popescu;o.O 1185854;1435957598;ascii_field;meowmix ? 1185855;1435957615;mats;well, further you get from immigrant parents, more retarded you usually get 1185856;1435957629;mircea_popescu;didn't work so well for obama this theory 1185857;1435957635;mircea_popescu;isn't he straight from kenya ? 1185858;1435957640;mircea_popescu;well... "hawaii"./ 1185859;1435957651;ascii_field;hawauenya 1185860;1435957661;mircea_popescu;is that the car brand ? 1185861;1435957734;mircea_popescu;mats i mean i could see it in usage like "e transilvanean de-ai nostri", ie, "he's one of ours". but that's for a minuscule and very culturally coherent ethnic group. 1185862;1435957743;mircea_popescu;"asian" is about as descriptive as "the country of earth"./ 1185863;1435957748;decimation;he's the bastard son of a kenyan 1185864;1435957819;mircea_popescu;i guess she does look distinctive enough, and since presidents are more about looks than actors... myeah ok 1185865;1435957849;mircea_popescu;alrighty, i'm sold. ellen pao 2016! 1185866;1435957865;ascii_field;ellen nao! 1185867;1435957867;mircea_popescu;first asian woman in tech president ftw. 1185868;1435957871;ascii_field;for emergency clitler 1185869;1435957873;mats;welp, she does speak mandarin fluently, so she has that going for her 1185870;1435957873;ascii_field;why wait 1185871;1435957880;shinohai;The WH lineup for 2016 is a circus already. 1185872;1435957891;mircea_popescu;mandarin is best spoken influently. 1185873;1435957892;decimation;note that obama is not 'black' in the sense of being ethnically like most black africans who live in the us 1185874;1435957897;ascii_field;can help organize the cn surrender, too 1185875;1435957900;mircea_popescu;but bar that, i guess fluently is good enough 1185876;1435957901;shinohai;* Herbert Hoover and his wife also spoke Mandarin, so what? 1185877;1435957903;decimation;they generally come from wester africa 1185878;1435957926;mircea_popescu;decimation i am broadly unconvinced the concept of ethnicity makes any sense in africa. 1185879;1435957942;mircea_popescu;the french just started using it cca 1800 as if, and nobody really discussed the matter. 1185880;1435957943;mats;i speak mandarin influently. my cantonese is pretty good, though. 1185881;1435957945;decimation;as in, doesn't exist? 1185882;1435957954;mircea_popescu;as in, is not meaningful. 1185883;1435957964;mats;this makes literacy... tricky 1185884;1435957967;mircea_popescu;for one thing, it's not clear what "ethnicity" without a written culture would be. 1185885;1435957984;shinohai;tradition 1185886;1435957999;mircea_popescu;this isn't a lego car where all the pieces match shinohai 1185887;1435958010;shinohai;lel no 1185888;1435958041;mircea_popescu;decimation gotta bear in mind that "ethnicity" is not a thing, just a word we use for the thing. it's a map. that a map is flat and a place is round does not mean the round place has no geography 1185889;1435958049;mircea_popescu;but it may mean the map doesnt work for describing it./ 1185890;1435958053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00050067 = 38.6768 BTC [-] {2} 1185891;1435958062;decimation;so there's 'no meaningful difference' between igbo in nigeria and a majang in ethiopia? 1185892;1435958071;mircea_popescu;i do not know. 1185893;1435958107;mircea_popescu;i do know it is upon the proponent to ~prove~ rather than just assert that the tools we developed to discuss and analyse the "terra irredenta" movements in italy cca 1800 are also applicable or meaningful in black africa. 1185894;1435958113;decimation;well, my point is that obama is from the Luo people 1185895;1435958161;*;mircea_popescu never bothered with it, but is this luo people an internal or an external identity ? 1185896;1435958195;decimation;my understanding is internal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_people_of_Kenya_and_Tanzania 1185897;1435958196;assbot;Luo people of Kenya and Tanzania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaA8fm ) 1185898;1435958209;mircea_popescu;ie, is it equivalent to saying "one of the terrorist people" or to "one of the lordship" ? 1185899;1435958272;decimation;they have their own language 1185900;1435958286;decimation;or at least dialect 1185901;1435958288;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_dialect 1185902;1435958289;assbot;Luo dialect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaAliD ) 1185903;1435958289;mircea_popescu;aha. 1185904;1435958308;decimation;"The main Luo livelihoods are fishing, farming and pastoral herding. Outside Luoland, the Luo comprise a significant fraction of East Africa's intellectual and skilled labour force in various professions. Others members work in eastern Africa as tenant fishermen, small scale farmers, and urban workers." 1185905;1435958324;mircea_popescu;impossible to discern how much is a case of "the missionary used a word to best describe what he saw" and "we have created a structure through normal function". anyway, minor point. 1185906;1435958327;mircea_popescu;like all of africa. 1185907;1435958359;ascii_field;in other nyooz, 340100+ 1185908;1435958393;shinohai;I finally hit 205000 1185909;1435958401;decimation;anyway, my earlier meta-point was that I theorize that many voted for obama because he was black but 'not that kind of black' 1185910;1435958408;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: trying to recall - was it you who tried to parallel-process the signature checks ? 1185911;1435958426;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1185912;1435958430;mircea_popescu;i do not think so ascii_field 1185913;1435958434;ascii_field;hm 1185914;1435958441;mircea_popescu;shinohai you also getting off mine ? 1185915;1435958448;ascii_field;notice that sync above block 200k or so is cpu-bound 1185916;1435958452;mircea_popescu;decimation prolly. who the hell knoiws why people vote 1185917;1435958460;mircea_popescu;ascii_field very much would be. 1185918;1435958468;shinohai;@ mircea_popescu yes your node is my sole connection. 1185919;1435958491;shinohai;I wanted clean db 1185920;1435958503;mircea_popescu;i think i said this before, but in any case bears repeating insistently : larger blocks are a complex discussion that will involve many and numerous benchmarking. it's not the simple matter idiots make it out. 1185921;1435958522;mircea_popescu;shinohai aha cool then. no spurts or weird disconnects or anything ? 1185922;1435958523;*;ascii_field believes that we already have pretty large blocks 1185923;1435958528;decimation;aye 1185924;1435958538;decimation;go to blockchain.info and watch the waterfall of txns 1185925;1435958560;mircea_popescu;ascii_field get a load of this : three days of random, odd internet behaviour, discussed here publicly, which then went away by itself. i did nothing to the server, i asssume neither did you. 1185926;1435958562;mircea_popescu;what is this magic / 1185927;1435958571;shinohai;No, mircea_popescu it has actually been faster than when I previously synced, less memory footprint ramwise 1185928;1435958572;mircea_popescu;i would expect a stuttering engine to go on stuttering until discarded. 1185929;1435958580;kakobrekla;the truth be this or that, if the majority of miners takes up big blocks pogos and company is phucked 1185930;1435958582;decimation;maybe it was the work of the volunteer diggers in san francisco 1185931;1435958603;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i welcome the verification of this theory in the field. 1185932;1435958609;decimation;kakobrekla: that's why the reference implementation ought to be written to appeal to miners 1185933;1435958621;kakobrekla;hah 1185934;1435958632;mats;yes, a model with 8mb and 20mb blocks would be interesting 1185935;1435958637;mircea_popescu;i imagine so would you : a bankrupt field of miners best chance to buy cheap mining rigs for a long time 1185936;1435958677;mircea_popescu;but in any case : money talks. not "power rangers" and not the 0.3% ROI miners. and if moneys says fuck you everyone goes home and tries something else for next year's costume party. 1185937;1435958694;decimation;kakobrekla: it's not as stupid as it sounds 1185938;1435958703;decimation;what miners want to deal with bitcoind correctness 1185939;1435958704;shinohai;What amazes me is it has synced this far in < 1 day 1185940;1435958719;mircea_popescu;shinohai why should it amaze you ? 1185941;1435958740;shinohai;It amazes me because it took 4-5 days before 1185942;1435958749;kakobrekla;but 'miners' are zombies, will eat whatever comes their way and cant count on them thinking about anything 1185943;1435958750;punkman;ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke 1185944;1435958764;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that's fine. they also have to make money somehow. 1185945;1435958770;decimation;kakobrekla: exactly, which is why they would use whatever other people say is good 1185946;1435958774;mircea_popescu;and that somehow is by selling what they mine. 1185947;1435958785;mircea_popescu;so yes, zombies. just, make sure you identify the necromancer driving them correctly 1185948;1435958786;kakobrekla;they are getting spammed with 'bitcoin upgrades' as we speak 1185949;1435958793;mircea_popescu;sure. 1185950;1435958796;kakobrekla;my guess is most wont have a second thought. 1185951;1435958806;decimation;exactly, so if they have brains this will wake them up to 'wtf is going on with bitcoind' 1185952;1435958812;mircea_popescu;and the same people will be selling the farm three to six months down the road. 1185953;1435958833;decimation;those withouth brains will be trying to sell used asics 1185954;1435958842;mircea_popescu;as eulora tips say, "a willingness to learn is not mandatory. neither is survival." 1185955;1435958931;mircea_popescu;anyway, i am very excited about this actually happening. 1185956;1435958941;mod6;<+punkman> ascii_field, does this sequence look right? >> 0.5.3.1-release + orphanage nuke + tx-orphanage + dnsseed_snipsnip + zap_hardcoded_seeds + zap_showmyip + dns thermonuke + irc nuke << looks right to me. 1185957;1435958954;mircea_popescu;the mass slaughter of a large contingent of people who act as if "doing what everyone else does is safe", and who lose millions at it is the best thing that can happen. 1185958;1435958968;kakobrekla;i cant have blockchain dead for a month 1185959;1435958973;mircea_popescu;a shining moment of "buying ibm gets you killed" is more valuable than asia. 1185960;1435959024;kakobrekla;thinking of who else is such case here, davout ? 1185961;1435959052;mod6;punkman: you may want the kills_integer_retardation in there, as well as nubs`'s gentoo sanity, at least the part with the copying over of the headers & libs in auto.sh check those out here: 1185962;1435959056;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html 1185963;1435959057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBWxhZ ) 1185964;1435959057;mod6;and here: 1185965;1435959066;mircea_popescu;last i heard davout was looking for ways to programatically exploit the shitcoin 1185966;1435959069;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html 1185967;1435959070;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBWvqk ) 1185968;1435959094;decimation;kakobrekla: what do you mean about 'having blockchain dead' 1185969;1435959219;kakobrekla;having a chain with a gazillion difficulty and no to little miners on it 1185970;1435959246;decimation;I find the probability of that happening to be very low 1185971;1435959310;kakobrekla;the switch happens when there is 90% of miners on the new chain (determined by checking last n blocks rolling window) 1185972;1435959323;kakobrekla;when this happens there already is such condition as i described give or take 1185973;1435959344;kakobrekla;and the even bringing that percentage even higher as some give up. 1185974;1435959350;kakobrekla;event* 1185975;1435959395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.0004959 = 13.3397 BTC [-] 1185976;1435959442;trinque;man dpaste sucks 1185977;1435959449;trinque;cannot paste the whole boost build log 1185978;1435959460;mod6;did yours fail? 1185979;1435959512;trinque;ascii_field: mod6: http://dpaste.com/1ZSXYK1.txt 1185980;1435959513;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TaCEm1 ) 1185981;1435959521;trinque;the tail end ^ 1185982;1435959574;trinque;hardened/linux/amd64 1185983;1435959580;trinque;with a pax/grsec kernel 1185984;1435959645;mod6;weird. that's basically the same problem i had with uClibC [ libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personali 1185985;1435959648;mod6;ty_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC ] 1185986;1435959661;mod6;except this is with glibc huh 1185987;1435959739;trinque;suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh? 1185988;1435959746;trinque;rather than which libc 1185989;1435959802;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla a loss of 90% mining power relates to blocks taking a little over an hour, not a month. 1185990;1435959818;mircea_popescu;in other words, they can go hang, won't be noticed, won't be missed. 1185991;1435959826;mircea_popescu;this is why miners are NOT actually seated at the table. 1185992;1435959833;mod6;<+trinque> suggests it's maybe a matter of the hardened toolchain eh? << yeah, i think this is a clue 1185993;1435959842;mircea_popescu;their job begins and ends with rejecting bad blocks. they are in no way involved in deciding what that means. 1185994;1435959849;mircea_popescu;exactly as it should be, incidentally. 1185995;1435959923;kakobrekla;90% < thats just the breaking point. once they figure out they have no wehre to send those coins short of mpex, those will be gone too. 1185996;1435959953;mircea_popescu;except vice-versa. 1185997;1435959975;kakobrekla;ah right the 1mb fits , forgot that. 1185998;1435960007;kakobrekla;i still see problems down the road. 1185999;1435960007;mod6;trinque: sometime this month I'll try to pay with 'default/linux/uclibc/amd64' instead. 1186000;1435960007;mircea_popescu;looky here : a) mpex makes more money than the entire faux & pretend ecosyustem of coinbases and whatnot. those COST, a shitton of money, for the services they fail to provide. 1186001;1435960011;decimation;zooming out, the game theory is definitely against someone trying to make bigger blocks 1186002;1435960028;mircea_popescu;if you think bitcoin is currently supported by people using bitpay to buy coffee, that is squarely your problem 1186003;1435960034;trinque;mod6: I'm going to re-run it with the "vanilla" gcc now 1186004;1435960040;mircea_popescu;well of course. problems down the road is what we signed up for. 1186005;1435960045;mod6;and if that doesn't work, maybe I can give 'hardened/linux/musl/amd64' (i don't see a non-hardened one available atm) 1186006;1435960048;mircea_popescu;otherwise we'd be working accounting on excel spreadsheets. 1186007;1435960056;mod6;trinque: aight, thanks! 1186008;1435960061;trinque;word 1186009;1435960122;mircea_popescu;meh. what causes optic mice to acquire pointer jitter ? 1186010;1435960151;trinque;crud? 1186011;1435960158;mircea_popescu;i just cleanned it 1186012;1435960158;mod6;sometimes a hair gets stuck in mine, and I have to pull it out. 1186013;1435960199;mod6;wireless or usb? 1186014;1435960256;mod6;!up assbot 1186015;1435960257;mircea_popescu;ps/2 1186016;1435960261;mod6;!up ascii_field 1186017;1435960275;mod6;ah, ps2. maybe just try disconnecting it and re-connecting it? 1186018;1435960324;mod6;otherwise, it could be something with the surface that you're using it on... like if its some how refracting in some strange way 1186019;1435960381;trinque;ah yeah, I've had mine move suddenly if I lifted the mouse while using it for that reason 1186020;1435960398;trinque;which I do habitually, as if trying to climb across the desk with the mouse 1186021;1435960441;mircea_popescu;lol 1186022;1435960445;mircea_popescu;nah it jitters upside down too 1186023;1435960981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00050759 = 26.2678 BTC [+] {3} 1186024;1435961023;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184196 << lol what is this retarded bullshit. 1186025;1435961023;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 16:16:04; decimation: https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no further attention." 1186026;1435961031;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants to "credit himself" with the retarded ? 1186027;1435961056;mircea_popescu;to "discredit yourself" in the estimation of boring old aunties and so forth is exactly what cool is all about. 1186028;1435961080;mircea_popescu;god help whosoever is held in high regard by "persons of even mid-level status". 1186029;1435961446;trinque;mod6: switching to vanilla gcc got past the fPIC barf 1186030;1435961447;decimation;I linked it partially for luls 1186031;1435961450;trinque;then this happened: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/libs/boost/patches/200-cstdint_missing_include.patch?rev=34635 1186032;1435961451;assbot; 200-cstdint_missing_include.patch in packages/libs/boost/patches – OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCy6Bd ) 1186033;1435961463;trinque;and now I've got one boost barf left 1186034;1435961470;mircea_popescu;decimation it is pretty lulzy in its self-referential dementia. 1186035;1435961473;trinque;will document what I ended up having to do to build it at the end 1186036;1435961691;scoopbot_revived;BitBet (S.BBET) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-june-2015-statement/ 1186037;1435961693;ascii_field;341521+ 1186038;1435961827;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1186039;1435961830;gribble;Current Blocks: 363701 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 1194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1186040;1435961839;mircea_popescu;almost there. be what, coupla hours 1186041;1435962035;decimation;almost where? 1186042;1435962049;mircea_popescu;his syncing. 22k to go 1186043;1435962063;trinque;mod6: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/6851 << had to do this as well, after which boost built 1186044;1435962148;*;trinque is astounded at the amount types wiggle platform to platform 1186045;1435962198;punkman;"I can't use ::int64_t as it not defined on all compilers for example on some platforms (Windows) we do not have stdint.h so we do not have int64_t in the global namespace. " 1186046;1435962248;shinohai;Thou shalt use linux. 1186047;1435962315;mircea_popescu;can't it just be aliased in precompiler directive ? 1186048;1435962408;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184203 << im sure if you make inquiries inside any prison, it's just a large collection of well meaning family fathers that have been put there by the conspiracy of fate and the iniquities of evil men. 1186049;1435962408;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 16:19:40; decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads 1186050;1435962419;mircea_popescu;heck, the way usg is going, this is actually becoming more and more true each decade. 1186051;1435962518;mircea_popescu;"Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine." 1186052;1435962528;mircea_popescu;omfg fuck this shit. outsiders do not wish a lever or care for one. 1186053;1435962537;mircea_popescu;i hope your machinery is built out of hammer resistant materials, 1186054;1435962553;mircea_popescu;because that means i'll have to bring forth the tracked 800kton one. 1186055;1435962590;trinque;and hey, I got a static bitcoind 1186056;1435962597;mircea_popescu;wd! 1186057;1435962599;trinque;ty 1186058;1435962601;trinque;"static" anyway 1186059;1435962603;mircea_popescu;syncs and errything ? 1186060;1435962609;trinque;bout to give it a run with gcov 1186061;1435963529;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184212 << spank it first. 1186062;1435963529;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 16:21:44; ben_vulpes: only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off. 1186063;1435965312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00049923 = 29.4546 BTC [-] {2} 1186064;1435965413;mircea_popescu;jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck. 1186065;1435965483;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184293 << yes. how many do you want ? 1186066;1435965483;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 17:49:50; jurov: anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe? 1186067;1435965586;mircea_popescu;!up DanyAlos 1186068;1435965606;DanyAlos;Hello there. 1186069;1435965612;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184328 << o hey! 1186070;1435965612;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 18:14:13; mod6: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator 1186071;1435965618;mircea_popescu;hello DanyAlos . who are you ? 1186072;1435965663;DanyAlos;What do you mean with "who are you"? 1186073;1435965674;DanyAlos;I am an individual. 1186074;1435965675;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184345 << this is not as bad as it sounds actually. 1186075;1435965675;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 18:18:22; ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water) 1186076;1435965682;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1186077;1435965751;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184352 << which puts trinque about on par with the average developer these days, who ALSO hasn't read anything in about five years. just wrote more unreadable chicken scribblings. each day. 1186078;1435965751;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:46; ascii_field: trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway 1186079;1435965972;mod6;<+trinque> and hey, I got a static bitcoind << nice!! i'll give this a shot here tonight yet 1186080;1435966006;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << incidentally, what is the republic's take on this ? 1186081;1435966006;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:30; ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).' 1186082;1435966013;mircea_popescu;do we allow arbitrary getdata ? 1186083;1435966016;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> jitter actually fixed by plug-unplug. da fuck. << good deal. maybe just needed reinitialization for whatever reason 1186084;1435966020;DanyAlos;mircea_popescu: Sorry if I misunderstand somthing. My english is not so fluid. 1186085;1435966045;DanyAlos;*something 1186086;1435966062;mircea_popescu;DanyAlos in general english wouldn't have much to do with one's identity, does it ? unl;ess you'd be shakespeare or something. 1186087;1435966108;DanyAlos;Haha. It english almost have nothing to do with me. 1186088;1435966119;DanyAlos;I use it as a tool 1186089;1435966125;mircea_popescu;kay then 1186090;1435966166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00049147 = 42.6104 BTC [-] {3} 1186091;1435966175;DanyAlos;But I supousse that if I speak spanish here nobody would get a thing. 1186092;1435966192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184474 << possibly. it's not directly cut, because permaindexes just add to the complexity of keeping a node. 1186093;1435966192;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:49; ascii_field: (speaking of 'getdata' here) 1186094;1435966198;mircea_popescu;yo hablo espanol. 1186095;1435966210;mircea_popescu;!s espanol 1186096;1435966211;assbot;6 results for 'espanol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=espanol 1186097;1435966219;DanyAlos;No sabía eso! 1186098;1435966236;DanyAlos;Pensé que solo inglés y rumano. 1186099;1435966273;mircea_popescu;alman, frances, italian etc. 1186100;1435966282;DanyAlos;¿Lo hablás en forma fluida? 1186101;1435966287;mircea_popescu;mas o menos. 1186102;1435966301;DanyAlos;Ok. Políglota, entonces. 1186103;1435966328;DanyAlos;El "más o menos" es muy argentino! 1186104;1435966337;mircea_popescu;:p 1186105;1435966430;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184504 << no, the america online of us internets 1186106;1435966430;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:47; ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ? 1186107;1435966432;mircea_popescu;oh... nm. 1186108;1435966470;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184505 << this is actually true. it pays to be a terrorist because then they don't hassle you in the hopes that you somehow don't notice that you're the only one unhassled by the gestapo in a field of obsequious peasants. 1186109;1435966470;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 21:01:51; kakobrekla: unless you are registered terrorist 1186110;1435966477;mircea_popescu;bureaucracies at work. 1186111;1435966547;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184517 << quite. this is how the fellow ends up having to do "enough" gestures. shcelling point 1186112;1435966547;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 21:04:00; ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time 1186113;1435966566;mircea_popescu;in its own perverse way, it's a leadership function. provides means for people to agree. 1186114;1435966635;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184534 << it is one of those final stages of cultural decay. "nothing means anything anymore" sort of situation. 1186115;1435966635;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 21:09:51; ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin' 1186116;1435966662;mircea_popescu;the obvious approach would be to protest these uppity kindergartners feel too special for their own good. but that's merely sympthom imo. 1186117;1435966908;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184654 << we'd have to do the math about it. but remember : stinkbombs don't work by actually choking anyone. 1186118;1435966908;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 22:46:19; decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs 1186119;1435966936;mircea_popescu;someone recently managed to close down a 12 block section of wash dc by literally saying "i think i heard gunshots". 1186120;1435966997;mircea_popescu;the cost to the enemy of any device is made out of a real and a perceived factor. these sometimes diverge. all radiation things diverge in the sense of perception overwhelming reality. 1186121;1435967020;assbot;[MPEX] [D.BSTP] 11 @ 0.099 = 1.089 BTC [+] 1186122;1435967069;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << women prefering to flock to a single male isn't misandry per se. more like reversal to normal. 1186123;1435967069;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry 1186124;1435967161;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184674 o.O 1186125;1435967161;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 22:51:33; trinque: danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female\ 1186126;1435967217;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184687 << signed what ? 1186127;1435967217;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 22:56:37; danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures 1186128;1435967228;mircea_popescu;oh oh i c. 1186129;1435967297;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184704 << dude you gotta wear a recording devince next and have someone transcribe it. 1186130;1435967297;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 23:04:05; danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery 1186131;1435967300;mircea_popescu;sounds like a riot. 1186132;1435967372;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184730 << ya srsly. 1186133;1435967372;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 23:11:35; mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly 1186134;1435967443;trinque;mircea_popescu: referring to the particular euphemism used around these parts to refer to the lifestyle where you get fucked up and fuck other dudes, and call it a sexual orientation 1186135;1435967444;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184743 << not like you have to you know. 1186136;1435967444;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 23:14:35; mats: being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing 1186137;1435967457;trinque;not various other multiple-partner arrangements 1186138;1435967473;mircea_popescu;trinque okay, but you know, the term both preexists and actually has genuine usage outside of whatever hipster subculture. 1186139;1435967483;trinque;yeah prolly does, granted 1186140;1435967496;trinque;^ euphemism for "I'm wrong" lol 1186141;1435967498;mircea_popescu;otherwise, women drinking themselves into beds has been a mainstay of post-colonial british empire. 1186142;1435967514;mircea_popescu;puritanism never really recovered after losing india. 1186143;1435967555;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184744 <<< bwahahaha oh teh win 1186144;1435967555;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 23:15:29; danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that 1186145;1435967598;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184746 << if you believe in "regular folks" why not also believe in slaveborn niggers and all azns are coolies ? 1186146;1435967598;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 23:16:17; mats: regular folk need https 1186147;1435967608;mircea_popescu;seems pretty much the same proposition. 1186148;1435967658;mircea_popescu;what exactly about this chick or that dude is making them be "regular folks", which is to say chattel rather than persons ? 1186149;1435967800;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184774 << no, i'm sure it works quite well. a good pick-up line is made out of two parts, one's a valuation and the other's an unknown. then conversation can proceed around the unknown and as it proceeds, etc. 1186150;1435967800;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 23:49:09; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184723 << wai wat ?! 1186151;1435967857;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184781 << i 1186152;1435967857;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 23:57:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.' 1186153;1435967866;mircea_popescu;ve never heard of a sexual market where men pay. 1186154;1435967903;mircea_popescu;this is rank nonsense if you think any about it. the only part of sex that's in short supply is the erect penis. everything else is overabundant. how exactly would the owners of the only rare part be paying anyone for anything whatsoever ? 1186155;1435968031;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184791 << it's not that far off, i was thinking g_l sounded a lot like a much younger rms. 1186156;1435968031;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 00:07:59; trinque: asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!" 1186157;1435968126;punkman;http://www.damninteresting.com/the-zero-armed-bandit/ 1186158;1435968127;assbot;The Zero-Armed Bandit • Damn Interesting ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ral2ZG ) 1186159;1435968146;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184817 << the loller of all time. when bitcoinj were making a 2nd implementation, the same crowd gnashed teeth about what a horribly bad and not good and dangerous and canned doom of an idea it is. 1186160;1435968146;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:24:07; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0 1186161;1435968171;mircea_popescu;now that usg finally arrayed enough ethereum shitfountains to imagine it can pull it off, the tune changed. and it changed mid sentence and full spin around. 1186162;1435968221;*;mircea_popescu loses interest after six lines or so. 1186163;1435968238;mircea_popescu;this is why i have people doing summaries of the shit, which summaries i generally do not read. 1186164;1435968260;mircea_popescu;i dunno how or why it'd be worth anyone's time, outside of the perverse interests of entomologists etc. 1186165;1435968312;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184828 << speaking of which : a) you folk are gonna publish ips once the sync's done yes ? and b) bringing a seed up on nsa hardware this month maybe ? 1186166;1435968312;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:27:53; asciilifeform: shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up 1186167;1435968381;shinohai;on block 217340, will publish ip when synced fully 1186168;1435968382;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184841 << was an important milestone this. at least for my internals. 1186169;1435968382;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:34:33; asciilifeform: all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks 1186170;1435968388;mircea_popescu;shinohai great. 1186171;1435968484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17321 @ 0.0005028 = 8.709 BTC [+] {2} 1186172;1435968505;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184853 << that 1186173;1435968505;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:39:38; asciilifeform: or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack 1186174;1435968680;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184908 << this is dubious. people failed to realise and walk away from us, why would they move away ever ? 1186175;1435968680;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:54:30; decimation: if house always wins, people will realized and move on 1186176;1435968740;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184912 << but you would have statistically visible "overwinning". 1186177;1435968740;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:56:25; asciilifeform: whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day 1186178;1435968789;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184940 << wait. 1186179;1435968789;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 02:19:38; trinque: the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root 1186180;1435968790;mircea_popescu;wut ?! 1186181;1435968858;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184941 << would be infinitely better if it used "english dictionary" instead of "base64" as an encoding mechanism. 1186182;1435968858;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 02:19:40; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea 1186183;1435968868;mircea_popescu;nobody could distinguish its output from normal reddit functioning. 1186184;1435969017;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184982 << there is a difference between "reason to believe poses a threat" and "no reason to believe doens't pose a threat". 1186185;1435969017;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 02:57:14; decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat." 1186186;1435969042;mircea_popescu;this difference is a lot more marked than the subtle contortions the supreme court's been using these last years to rule in favour of unexamined hipsterism 1186187;1435969315;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185066 o.O 1186188;1435969315;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 11:01:01; jurov: plus some utterly vexing and hapless dreams gratis 1186189;1435969326;mircea_popescu;want a loaf of tuber bread ? 1186190;1435969399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00051533 = 53.2594 BTC [+] 1186191;1435969469;shinohai;"due to there incompetence in securing there system" >>> http://redd.it/3c1n6r 1186192;1435969470;assbot;Blockchain paid 17 BTC belonging to me to scammer : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GV8M5f ) 1186193;1435969485;shinohai;[sic] their 1186194;1435969494;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185122 << dat sentence :D 1186195;1435969494;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 11:58:29; jurov: she wore out several of them 1186196;1435969496;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185130 << thread's not easy to wear out. 1186197;1435969496;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 12:03:45; diana_coman: very solid for a piece of thread basically :))) 1186198;1435969607;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185163 <<< but i thought they OWNED REDDIT NOTES!!11 1186199;1435969607;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 13:37:30; decimation: oh no the reddit owners treat the tens of thousands of people that work for them for free as slaves! 1186200;1435969611;mircea_popescu;fucktards srsly. 1186201;1435969666;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185164 << o has it ? mod6 you got any opinion on the subject ? 1186202;1435969666;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 13:43:50; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << this has *always* gotten up my nose 1186203;1435970024;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186165 << my idea is to bring up node on dulap as soon as syncs 1186204;1435970024;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 00:05:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184828 << speaking of which : a) you folk are gonna publish ips once the sync's done yes ? and b) bringing a seed up on nsa hardware this month maybe ? 1186205;1435970080;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186176 << not if done correctly. all the peanutgallery could see is 'the statistically expected number of players won' 1186206;1435970080;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 00:12:20; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184912 << but you would have statistically visible "overwinning". 1186207;1435970089;asciilifeform;they'd just all happen to be employees of the house. 1186208;1435970101;asciilifeform;(or rather, tx's issued by house.) 1186209;1435970184;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186154 << l0l, short supply ?! most plentiful thing on planet3 1186210;1435970184;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 23:58:23; mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense if you think any about it. the only part of sex that's in short supply is the erect penis. everything else is overabundant. how exactly would the owners of the only rare part be paying anyone for anything whatsoever ? 1186211;1435970223;asciilifeform;doesn't sell very well on its own. 1186212;1435970365;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anybody interested in multiprocessorizing bitcoin sig check ? 1186213;1435970373;asciilifeform;it'd be trivial 1186214;1435970390;asciilifeform;(but afaik, no one has done it yet... why ?) 1186215;1435970441;ben_vulpes;http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-/ << asciilifeform l0l 404! 1186216;1435970443;assbot;404 - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVa9AZ ) 1186217;1435970455;ben_vulpes;i am *not* logged up 1186218;1435970493;asciilifeform;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:acA0xSOPfrAJ:blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-mother-nature/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 1186219;1435970493;assbot;Raising Darwin's Consciousness: An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVaeVi ) 1186220;1435970509;asciilifeform;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rdkpk4a5oh4J:blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-the-evolutionary-lessons-of-motherhood/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 1186221;1435970510;assbot;Raising Darwin's Consciousness: Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on the Evolutionary Lessons of Motherhood - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVafIN ) 1186222;1435970514;ben_vulpes;http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy-on-mother-nature/ 1186223;1435970515;assbot;Raising Darwin's Consciousness: An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - The Primate Diaries - Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVafZf ) 1186224;1435970515;asciilifeform;^ up, for the time being 1186225;1435970541;ben_vulpes;lol @ btc->sexprs, asciilifeform 1186226;1435970565;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185338 << and the phf went & did 1186227;1435970565;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 17:50:03; phf: i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties. 1186228;1435970581;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: blockchain->sexprs or ragel parser 1186229;1435970587;asciilifeform;one of those beautiful magic momentz 1186230;1435970592;asciilifeform;when i don't have to do a chore personally 1186231;1435970628;ben_vulpes;leading any charge is risky and painful 1186232;1435970695;ben_vulpes;muchas gracias for the hrdy link 1186233;1435970701;asciilifeform;np 1186234;1435970709;asciilifeform;save the thing somewhere (archive.today ?) 1186235;1435970719;asciilifeform;i bet the linked turd is not long for this world 1186236;1435970750;ben_vulpes;first link already 404d 1186237;1435970796;ben_vulpes;https://archive.is/39iJE 1186238;1435970796;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFEWm ) 1186239;1435970829;ben_vulpes;how does this thing even work 1186240;1435970845;ben_vulpes;phf: ty for lisps 1186241;1435970873;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that cutblock c util was very instructive, ty 1186242;1435970900;ben_vulpes;phf: (v. instructive among other good things) 1186243;1435970903;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: could do an even shorter/sweeter bidirectional (!) version with 'binary-types' ( http://www.cliki.net/binary-types ) 1186244;1435970904;assbot;CLiki: Binary-types ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFNZH ) 1186245;1435970912;punkman;I run stator.sh and it barfed http://dpaste.com/3GHQRAC.txt 1186246;1435970913;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDFOwP ) 1186247;1435970936;asciilifeform;punkman: you gotta download the deps ! 1186248;1435970942;punkman;I did 1186249;1435970948;ben_vulpes;aha that's really nifty. 1186250;1435970958;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ^^ 1186251;1435970990;asciilifeform;punkman: your shell, for some reason, isn't seeing the install dir 1186252;1435970998;asciilifeform;and tries to create bdb's 'include' in root 1186253;1435971005;asciilifeform;whatcha building on ? 1186254;1435971007;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185122 << i grow curious about average hrs/user spent in eulora 1186255;1435971007;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 11:58:29; jurov: she wore out several of them 1186256;1435971010;asciilifeform;vax? 1186257;1435971010;ben_vulpes;of the active users. 1186258;1435971013;phf;ben_vulpes: like asciilifeform said there are better approaches, but yw 1186259;1435971016;punkman;some version of Mint 1186260;1435971028;ben_vulpes;phf: well hey like i said instructive 1186261;1435971036;asciilifeform;punkman: from here i can only conclude that your unixlike is braindamaged beyond repair! 1186262;1435971039;asciilifeform;get a gentoo ? 1186263;1435971051;asciilifeform;or what BingoBoingo or mod6 built on ? 1186264;1435971174;phf;the general pattern is a bunch of read-* functions, that are all ultimately reduced to read-byte or read-sequence. the an (unsigned-byte 8) stream and return whatever datrastructure 1186265;1435971188;phf;*they take 1186266;1435971231;asciilifeform;it is nifty and very educational and mega-recommended to all students of the subject ^ 1186267;1435971315;punkman;I think the problem was I didn't have "realpath" 1186268;1435971327;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185971 << wai wut, is kakobrekla now fearing gavinocalypse ? 1186269;1435971327;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 21:35:10; kakobrekla: the switch happens when there is 90% of miners on the new chain (determined by checking last n blocks rolling window) 1186270;1435971349;ben_vulpes;punkman: have you tried my a47.sh? 1186271;1435971365;punkman;ben_vulpes: no 1186272;1435971413;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186009 << a modern (vs. the infrared diode + mirror mat '80s kind) optic mouse is a pretty hefty computer by itself. complete with bugs 1186273;1435971413;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 21:48:42; mircea_popescu: meh. what causes optic mice to acquire pointer jitter ? 1186274;1435971428;asciilifeform;(there was a proggy posted some years ago to use one as a camera!) 1186275;1435971690;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186157 << mega-classic, and was discussed here before. including the fact that later bombmeisters have added the necessary detail of bar of soap and photocell (fluoresces under xray, sets off secondary detonator) 1186276;1435971690;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 00:02:06; punkman: http://www.damninteresting.com/the-zero-armed-bandit/ 1186277;1435971778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.00051396 = 49.6999 BTC [-] {2} 1186278;1435971916;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186241 << it has bug, i realized later, will die if finds testnet blocks 1186279;1435971916;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 00:47:53; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that cutblock c util was very instructive, ty 1186280;1435971917;asciilifeform;go, fix 1186281;1435971970;punkman;!s photocell 1186282;1435971971;assbot;3 results for 'photocell' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=photocell 1186283;1435972264;asciilifeform;phun phakt: you can't buy (new) halon fire extinguishers in usa, but you can get... freon (hcfc-123) 1186284;1435972270;*;asciilifeform just unpacked a crate with one 1186285;1435972401;asciilifeform;not cheap either. but you can still get! (until the envirowhiners get to it, too) 1186286;1435972456;*;asciilifeform wonders what mircea_popescu keeps in his fire extinguisher 1186287;1435972486;asciilifeform;(virgin tears? vodka ?) 1186288;1435972522;*;trinque gets a funny feeling like he's watching a fast-forward replay of history itself whenever syncing a new blockchain 1186289;1435972543;trinque;all the events which transpired which are marked by a particular transaction 1186290;1435972552;asciilifeform;trinque: you're only ~really~ replaying history if you 'eatblock' from mircea_popescu's raw blkxxxxen 1186291;1435972554;trinque;deedbot- fascinates me for precisely this reason 1186292;1435972564;asciilifeform;otherwise you're merely reenacting history 1186293;1435972570;trinque;good point 1186294;1435972575;asciilifeform;like those folks who play out old battles with dummy rounds 1186295;1435972632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00051544 = 28.8131 BTC [+] {2} 1186296;1435972734;trinque;pulled the trigger on this one just to see whether it'd fire up and work, but yeah, I'll use mircea_popescu's node for the gcov run 1186297;1435972752;asciilifeform;trinque: what's in your set ? 1186298;1435972765;trinque;I am currently syncing from deedbot-'s node 1186299;1435972773;asciilifeform;i meant, what patches 1186300;1435972787;trinque;oh, I am using stator with no additional patches 1186301;1435972791;trinque;which others should I apply? 1186302;1435972805;asciilifeform;trinque: ought to suffice 1186303;1435972817;asciilifeform;if you want 'dumpblock' and 'eatblock', those are not included in stator 1186304;1435972820;asciilifeform;gotta apply manually 1186305;1435972903;trinque;k 1186306;1435972931;asciilifeform;they don't really do much good in a 'civilian' bitcoin node, though 1186307;1435972934;asciilifeform;more for laboratory work. 1186308;1435973421;decimation;asciilifeform: it's lulzy that they regulate the shit of out freon for hvac, but use in fire extinguishers? 1186309;1435973469;decimation;seems like co2 would be useful for many situations 1186310;1435973859;punkman;ok, stator compiled successfully I think, anyone wanna give me a node IP? 1186311;1435974086;mod6;trinque: this may help you in your journey: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt 1186312;1435974088;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD75iv ) 1186313;1435974157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107000 @ 0.00050961 = 54.5283 BTC [-] {3} 1186314;1435974256;decimation;the 'realpath' thing is hilarious 1186315;1435974289;decimation;why do half the distros use it, others use readlink 1186316;1435974502;trinque;mod6: thank you sir 1186317;1435974513;trinque;I'm going to grab some food, then read up on gcov 1186318;1435975018;mod6;ok cool 1186319;1435975085;mod6;no prob 1186320;1435975616;DanyAlos;Sorry for the sudden change of topic: 1186321;1435975627;DanyAlos;I was looking for #bitcoin-assets on this search engine (http://irc.netsplit.de/channels), and realized that it is not listed. Is there any particular reason for not being there? 1186322;1435976170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00051748 = 21.1649 BTC [+] {3} 1186323;1435976350;mod6;258k+ 1186324;1435977046;punkman;updated my mirror with thermonuke branch https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commits/thermonuke 1186325;1435977048;assbot;Commits · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCmjCv ) 1186326;1435977212;asciilifeform;punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184829 1186327;1435977212;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 01:28:04; asciilifeform: 188.68.240.167 1186328;1435977245;asciilifeform;decimation: co2 extinguishers, are, interestingly, very expensive (largely on account of their size. you need a great lot of it) 1186329;1435977266;asciilifeform;also thermal shocks machinery 1186330;1435977270;punkman;asciilifeform: it's working, good job on the stator 1186331;1435977290;asciilifeform;punkman: it's an interim thing. still need to shoot glibc in the head 1186332;1435977304;punkman;it complained about getaddrinfo, that's to be expected then? 1186333;1435977321;asciilifeform;yes. but it never gets called in bitcoin 1186334;1435977329;asciilifeform;(not in the dns-free variant) 1186335;1435977343;punkman;yeah I tried to find it in the src, nothing there 1186336;1435977351;asciilifeform;something in 'boost' theoretically can invoke it, or rather - gcc is too dumb to know that it will never happen 1186337;1435977352;asciilifeform;so it whines 1186338;1435977358;asciilifeform;and puts a null stub there 1186339;1435977415;mats;DanyAlos: this channel has the flag +s, and so it is unlisted 1186340;1435977660;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186324 << very good for folks reading patches. but remember, the patches ~are~ the canonical patches... 1186341;1435977660;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 02:30:46; punkman: updated my mirror with thermonuke branch https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commits/thermonuke 1186342;1435977707;punkman;yeah I don't pull back from github, only push 1186343;1435977745;asciilifeform;so long as it is used as a 'graphical diff', oughta be harmless 1186344;1435977801;decimation;I'm syncing static node with some random ip, to see if I get the same blkxxxx.dat results 1186345;1435977811;decimation;one of them on mircea's list 1186346;1435977863;asciilifeform;the hash list ? 1186347;1435977871;decimation;no his trilema post 1186348;1435977874;asciilifeform;ah 1186349;1435977935;decimation;asciilifeform: did we do a thread on 'headers only' block data? 1186350;1435977947;asciilifeform;mentioned on several occasions 1186351;1435977955;decimation;it occurs to me that it would be useful to broadcast a digest of a block in addition to the actual block data 1186352;1435977968;decimation;mainly for users on bandwidth constrained channels 1186353;1435977971;asciilifeform;that'd be the header, no ? 1186354;1435977977;decimation;I guess. 1186355;1435977982;asciilifeform;node already has option of asking for those 1186356;1435977986;asciilifeform;it is part of the protocol 1186357;1435977995;decimation;ah, I will read the code 1186358;1435978006;asciilifeform;what i think would be considerably more useful is a provision for 'programmable checkpoints' 1186359;1435978009;decimation;For something like shortwave broadcast, this is what you would want 1186360;1435978019;asciilifeform;that is, an ascii file similar to my sums.txt.gz 1186361;1435978032;asciilifeform;signed with pgp, verified by user, dropped in .bitcoin 1186362;1435978066;decimation;aye, that would be useful for a 'starter pak' node 1186363;1435978070;DanyAlos;mats: Thx 1186364;1435978086;decimation;one wonders why this hasn't been done already, seems an obvious fix to 'node takes forever to sync' 1186365;1435978097;asciilifeform;won't make'em sync any faster 1186366;1435978117;asciilifeform;but will discourage some of the more hamfisted kinds of shitgnomery 1186367;1435978119;decimation;oh you just mean the sums 1186368;1435978121;asciilifeform;aha 1186369;1435978133;decimation;yeah okay, that would be useful for double-checking chain integrity yes 1186370;1435978180;decimation;for the headers thing, I'm imagining a scenario where someone is waiting for a transaction to clear 1186371;1435978193;decimation;it would be useful to know when a new block is found, so you can ask your peers for a copy 1186372;1435978258;asciilifeform;what's wrong with the old-fashioned 'inv' ? 1186373;1435978305;decimation;I suppose if a peer is available, you could do that. but then you are only trusting one node's say 1186374;1435978328;decimation;imagine three frequencies with three different nodes around the world, all with agreement on headers 1186375;1435978565;decimation;at any rate, I'm imagining ways to sew parachutes before they are needed 1186376;1435978596;asciilifeform;when else. 1186377;1435978710;decimation;unfortunately with the effective bandwidth needed by the current blockchain makes global synchronization quite expensive 1186378;1435978727;decimation;and internet-dependent 1186379;1435978815;decimation;weird, the last four blocks had no transactions 1186380;1435978825;asciilifeform;this may well be one of those things that can be made 'as simple as possible but not simpler' 1186381;1435978884;asciilifeform; weird, the last four blocks had no transactions << betcha somebody's playing with the 'tx selector' thing 1186382;1435978904;asciilifeform;and botched horribly 1186383;1435978922;decimation;I guess as long as they find a block that matches difficulty it will be valid 1186384;1435978955;decimation;it would sure make it simpler to devise a big asic machine to find hashes if it doesn't need to bother with transactions 1186385;1435978982;asciilifeform;not really 1186386;1435979000;decimation;although you would give up on fees 1186387;1435979002;asciilifeform;given the merkle tree thing, tx's don't really add to the load 1186388;1435979044;decimation;ah yeah good point 1186389;1435979055;asciilifeform;but it would stand to reason that miners will eventually exert more tx fee pressure 1186390;1435979063;asciilifeform;perhaps this is already happening. 1186391;1435979096;decimation;the big blocks are running nearly a mb or so 1186392;1435979100;asciilifeform;at any rate, various folks have mined empties before. afaik, it is not publicly known precisely why. 1186393;1435979137;asciilifeform;decimation: bozos are stuffing'em full of garbage tx, in an attempt to prop up gavinism 1186394;1435979159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90320 @ 0.00051341 = 46.3712 BTC [-] {2} 1186395;1435979343;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe the naked blocks are a counterpoint :) 1186396;1435979438;decimation;5 blocks. 4 are attributed to f2pool, one to antpool by blockchain.info 1186397;1435979464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13830 @ 0.00051629 = 7.1403 BTC [+] 1186398;1435979482;punkman;didn't those guys want 8mb blocks? 1186399;1435979734;*;asciilifeform kinda wants a wall-sized callgraph of therealbitcoin 1186400;1435979739;asciilifeform;possibly using http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/projects/codeviz 1186401;1435979740;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCXyX5 ) 1186402;1435979747;asciilifeform;nubbins` ^^^ 1186403;1435979758;decimation;asciilifeform: I've tried printing such things before, even on a big plotter the results are disappointing 1186404;1435979765;asciilifeform;how come ? 1186405;1435979780;decimation;plotter is usually limited to 4 ft rolls I think 1186406;1435979788;decimation;so you gotta make multiple passes 1186407;1435979807;asciilifeform;local printery has 4ft inkjets 1186408;1435979831;decimation;sure, but you gotta spend time massaging the graph into something legible even at that size 1186409;1435979841;decimation;what comes out of 'dot' tends to be fucktarded with complex graphs 1186410;1435979881;asciilifeform;so far i'm utterly failing to even get 'codeviz' to build. 1186411;1435979891;asciilifeform;it seems to insist on downloading an ancient gcc and fails 1186412;1435979897;decimation;heh 1186413;1435979904;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes ^^^ who wants to try 1186414;1435979916;decimation;to be clear, my experience is mainly with feeding dot such things, not from codeviz 1186415;1435979926;asciilifeform;i want the fucking callgraph 1186416;1435979928;asciilifeform;on my wall 1186417;1435979937;asciilifeform;tired of looking at the thing through a keyhole 1186418;1435979949;decimation;I think you can massage valgrind to dump callgraph 1186419;1435979962;asciilifeform;want static callgraph 1186420;1435979967;asciilifeform;rather than one which depends on a walk 1186421;1435979997;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, ben_vulpes ^^^ who wants to try << i might be able to give it a go later this weekend ... maybe. 1186422;1435980031;decimation;as in, all possible routes into and out of functions? 1186423;1435980045;mod6;any idea how old of a version is required? 1186424;1435980061;asciilifeform;mod6: it's 4.something but dies because not found on the gnu ftp 1186425;1435980083;asciilifeform;http://www.gson.org/egypt/egypt.html << another tool 1186426;1435980084;assbot;egypt - create call graph from gcc RTL dump ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCXWVC ) 1186427;1435980086;asciilifeform;not tried yet. 1186428;1435980109;mod6;ah, i can give it a go with something as old as like 4.5.4 for sure. 1186429;1435980122;asciilifeform;http://kcachegrind.sourceforge.net/html/Shot3Large.html << and yet another. 1186430;1435980123;assbot;KCachegrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCXYgf ) 1186431;1435980123;mod6;maybe even 4.0.4 (if it'll build) 1186432;1435980224;asciilifeform;^ refuses to build on my boxes also 1186433;1435980227;asciilifeform;qt retardation 1186434;1435980405;mod6;as always :] 1186435;1435980431;decimation;the egypt thing appears to have limited support for C++ 1186436;1435980491;cazalla;apparently network forked or some business 1186437;1435980698;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3c2cnj/f2pool_is_not_properly_validating_blocks_their/ 1186438;1435980699;assbot;F2Pool is not properly validating blocks, their fork is winning temporarily. SPV clients and Blockchain.info are inaccurate : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzrh5m ) 1186439;1435980702;punkman;shitgnomes strike again? 1186440;1435980736;decimation;why are they 'inaccurate' 1186441;1435980774;mats;o calamity 1186442;1435980867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10653 @ 0.00051757 = 5.5137 BTC [+] 1186443;1435980913;decimation;it does seem blockchain.info and insight.bitpay.com have two different chains 1186444;1435980973;punkman;"BIP66 protocol rule changes have gone active in part thanks to Antpool and F2Pool's support of it - but their pool appears to not actually be enforcing the new rules, and is now mining invalid blocks." 1186445;1435980989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84234 @ 0.00051578 = 43.4462 BTC [-] {3} 1186446;1435980998;punkman;"SPV nodes and Bitcoin Core prior to 0.10.0 may get false confirmations, possibly >6 blocks long, until this is resolved." 1186447;1435981333;mats;so you're saying now is the time to fleece bitpay 1186448;1435981384;decimation;here's the bip66 diff https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files 1186449;1435981386;assbot;Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzsolH ) 1186450;1435981683;mircea_popescu;sooo... we splitted hjuh ? 1186451;1435981711;decimation;looks like it yes 1186452;1435981721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.0005095 = 33.7799 BTC [-] {2} 1186453;1435981726;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1186454;1435981729;gribble;Current Blocks: 363736 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 1159 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1186455;1435981736;mircea_popescu;i see 736 throughout 1186456;1435981740;mats;it stalls 1186457;1435981746;decimation;and apparently several folks fucked it up too 1186458;1435981766;mircea_popescu;hm. 1186459;1435981776;decimation;so this 'IsSuperMajority' code is totally absent in 0.5.3.1 1186460;1435981822;mircea_popescu; they'd just all happen to be employees of the house. << if you only divulge winning tickets you get the natural occurence of winners + extras. 1186461;1435981847;mircea_popescu; ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anybody interested in multiprocessorizing bitcoin sig check ? << i don't see the benefit. 1186462;1435981874;mircea_popescu;decimation old nodes are all fine. 1186463;1435981879;mircea_popescu;apparently new nodes are all shit. 1186464;1435981887;mircea_popescu;news at 12:55, which happens to be the time here. 1186465;1435981941;mod6;heheh 1186466;1435981952;decimation;do they reject 0.5.3.1 blocks because the nVersion = 1? 1186467;1435981976;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Raising Darwin's Consciousness << all this "consciousness" bs reads to me like direct pastiche from "class consciousness" or however that nonsense was translated to english 1186468;1435982045;mircea_popescu;i don't run one so nfi what its problem would be. ion all likeliness something stupid. 1186469;1435982109;mats;looking forward to seeing the post mortem in the morning 1186470;1435982117;mircea_popescu; of the active users. << well, like a dozen or so people, spent a month in game last month. so like, 2 hrs / day or somesuch 1186471;1435982121;mats;and hopefully discount coins 1186472;1435982373;mircea_popescu;heh we actually are forked nao. i dun see any such 738 1186473;1435982408;decimation;yeah I think we were forked a long time ago actually 1186474;1435982423;decimation;this getconsensus stuff is lulzy 1186475;1435982580;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186461 << sync at line speed 1186476;1435982580;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 03:50:47; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anybody interested in multiprocessorizing bitcoin sig check ? << i don't see the benefit. 1186477;1435982584;asciilifeform;is the benefit. 1186478;1435982592;asciilifeform;having to wait for cpu on a 16 core box is retarded. 1186479;1435982595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform listen, seems the chain actually forked. 1186480;1435982600;asciilifeform;i see 1186481;1435982611;mircea_popescu;none of my nodes verify the imaginary 737-738 blockchain.info claims to exist. 1186482;1435982706;phf;somebody was saying bitcoind doesn't build on a 32 bit system? 1186483;1435982717;asciilifeform;phf: pogo is 32bit 1186484;1435982723;asciilifeform;builds beautifully 1186485;1435982727;mircea_popescu;accepted connection 148.251.238.178:55366 1186486;1435982728;mircea_popescu;version message: version 70002, blocks=363738 1186487;1435982746;phf;ah 1186488;1435982800;mircea_popescu;363738 16 minutes3204,982.79 BTC BitFury 180.66 1186489;1435982800;mircea_popescu;363737 21 minutes1663,059.67 BTC BW.COM 65.25 1186490;1435982810;mircea_popescu;anyone actually see these ? 1186491;1435982811;asciilifeform;axe-time, sword-time 1186492;1435982874;mircea_popescu;seems so. 1186493;1435982885;mircea_popescu;i guess they eventually settled on pretending it's an accident or what ? 1186494;1435982904;ben_vulpes;FORK 1186495;1435982905;ben_vulpes;FORK? 1186496;1435982907;ben_vulpes;FORK! 1186497;1435982915;ben_vulpes;forkforkforkforkfork 1186498;1435982916;asciilifeform;0.8 sees the phork 1186499;1435982923;ben_vulpes;ph0rk 1186500;1435982929;asciilifeform;phr0k 1186501;1435982944;mircea_popescu;i dun see another peer other than the 148 above that claims to have 738 1186502;1435982951;ben_vulpes;r4ngn4phr0k 1186503;1435982956;mircea_popescu; [ This is the only occurrence ] 1186504;1435982970;mircea_popescu;anyone see one ? 1186505;1435982985;*;asciilifeform envious of mircea_popescu's spiffy ph0rkdebugger 1186506;1435982995;mircea_popescu;( cat debug.log | grep -B3 "blocks=363738" if nothing else) 1186507;1435983022;asciilifeform;but yes, i've had sync scrolling for says, and seeing quite a few 'nonstandard tx, rejected...' 1186508;1435983036;mircea_popescu;yes, but those happen all teh time 1186509;1435983040;asciilifeform;yes. 1186510;1435983107;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/blocks << apparently they orphaned everything past bw.com's https://blockchain.info/block-height/363730 1186511;1435983107;assbot; Blocks mined on 04/07/2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXfKfp ) 1186512;1435983108;assbot;Bitcoin Blocks At Height 363730 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXfLQv ) 1186513;1435983141;mircea_popescu;looks a lot like a withholding chain attack tbh 1186514;1435983144;asciilifeform;363741 on 0.8 1186515;1435983155;mircea_popescu;note the orphaned is 8 blocks long 1186516;1435983159;mircea_popescu;the "lonmger chain" 6. 1186517;1435983169;mircea_popescu;sorry, i mean 6 and 5. 1186518;1435983191;mircea_popescu;anbd how teh fuck does it continue on an orphan block anyway 1186519;1435983216;ben_vulpes;"However, this also means they're not checking the new BIP66 rule, and are now mining invalid blocks because of it. (another miner happened to create an invalid, non-BIP66 respecting block) If you're not using Bitcoin Core, you might be accepting transactions that won't be on the longest valid chain when all this is fixed." << curious to see if 0.5.whatever comes out on top at the end of this 1186520;1435983258;ben_vulpes;my position being "if your notion of a valid block has to patch 0.5.*, get fucked." 1186521;1435983264;asciilifeform;^ 1186522;1435983276;decimation;yeah but this apparently happened awhile ago 1186523;1435983284;decimation;when they put the IsSuperMajority code check in 1186524;1435983292;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes tjhat's the only position. 1186525;1435983297;asciilifeform;i did say, no? 1186526;1435983298;ben_vulpes;"The majority of hashing power is mining an invalid chain - it's not going to "win" - they're just wasting their effort." << euheuheuheuheuheheehueheuheuheehu 1186527;1435983302;mircea_popescu;"new bip66 rule" my foot. 1186528;1435983306;asciilifeform;shitgnomatic bitcoin has been a fork since gavin turned 1186529;1435983308;asciilifeform;and likely prior. 1186530;1435983317;mircea_popescu;anyway. 1186531;1435983335;ben_vulpes;simple rehash of the "let's probe network cohesion strength" fork 1186532;1435983338;asciilifeform;a fork that hasn't sprung yet is still fok 1186533;1435983339;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wait, the usg dept of stupid is now on the record that miners don't, after all, decide ? 1186534;1435983340;asciilifeform;fork 1186535;1435983344;ben_vulpes;so what, f2pool and phrenz dies next week? 1186536;1435983344;mircea_popescu;can they make up their mind or something ? 1186537;1435983350;ben_vulpes;nigga pleez 1186538;1435983366;mircea_popescu;anyway, foundation ppl : plox to make a statement on this matter 1186539;1435983385;ben_vulpes;"Except BIP 66 received 95% support from the relevant group (miners). " << ehuehuehehueeueueueueueeeee 1186540;1435983387;mircea_popescu;gotta explain to the masses 1) how irresponsible it is to empower scammers, whjether they call themselves "pirate", "Gavin" or anything else 1186541;1435983393;mircea_popescu;and 2) retty much that. 1186542;1435983403;*;ben_vulpes sighs 1186543;1435983404;asciilifeform;3) не шагу назад 1186544;1435983414;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) (stalin) 1186545;1435983424;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: translation plox? 1186546;1435983430;asciilifeform;'not one step back' 1186547;1435983431;mircea_popescu;not a step bac 1186548;1435983455;asciilifeform;the title of a 'papal bull' he signed during the war 1186549;1435983482;mircea_popescu;BIP66 protocol rule changes have gone active in part thanks to Antpool and F2Pool's support of it - but their pool appears to not actually be enforcing the new rules, and is now mining invalid blocks << lulzy. 1186550;1435983488;mircea_popescu;"we just sittin' here noddin'" 1186551;1435983538;ben_vulpes;Bitcoin 0.5.3 is the canonical reference implementation. If a fork occurs and one side validates on the 0.5.3 codebase while the other does not, the chain that validates under 0.5.3 is the only valid chain. 1186552;1435983542;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin Core (after 0.10.0) rejects these invalid blocks, but a lot of other stuff doesn't. SPV Bitcoinj wallets do no validation what-so-ever, blindly following the longest chain. blockchain.info doesn't appear to do validation as well; who knows what else? << 1186553;1435983557;mircea_popescu;anyway, todd is right. the only way this affects us is that we don't really give much of a shit. 1186554;1435983562;ben_vulpes;mod6 if you feel compelled to elaborate on this, go ahead. 1186555;1435983564;mircea_popescu;let 'em figure out how to do soft forks or w/e. 1186556;1435983572;ben_vulpes;i have a porch of meatwot and babes that actually need attending to. 1186557;1435983577;ben_vulpes;frantic action is for the impotent. 1186558;1435983593;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how the power rangers imagine they'll manage a hardfork when they can't as much as get a "relevant support" softwork that's fairly uncontroversial. 1186559;1435983623;ben_vulpes;i've not yet accepted this soft/hardfork duality. 1186560;1435983629;asciilifeform;^ 1186561;1435983638;ben_vulpes;things either validate under 0.5.whatever or they don't. 1186562;1435983641;mircea_popescu;well, any people can at any time decide to narrow the rules. this makes some sense. 1186563;1435983641;decimation;they claim this is a softfork 1186564;1435983647;mircea_popescu;hard fork is enlarging the rules. 1186565;1435983654;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes all thios would validate under .5 1186566;1435983657;decimation;actually I think this is gonna be fine on 0.5 1186567;1435983665;mircea_popescu;the idea is they don't want to see some stuff that validates anymore 1186568;1435983670;mircea_popescu;this is no skin off my back, who cares. 1186569;1435983675;ben_vulpes;too bad, fuck them. 1186570;1435983675;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> Bitcoin 0.5.3 is the canonical reference implementation. If a fork occurs and one side validates on the 0.5.3 codebase while the other does not, the chain that validates under 0.5.3 is the only valid chain. << I have nothing further to add to this at this time. 1186571;1435983675;decimation;the problem is that 0.5.3 blocks generated by 0.5.3 won't validate if those IfSuperMajority rules check 1186572;1435983684;mircea_popescu;decimation provided their "mine support" actually materializes 1186573;1435983686;mircea_popescu;otherwise, no. 1186574;1435983694;decimation;well actually yes 1186575;1435983703;decimation;because they already did a 'softfork' on the nVersion 1186576;1435983711;decimation;I'm not sure if there are enough blocks to trigger it 1186577;1435983728;ben_vulpes;T.I.A.S. (tm) (r) (#emacs) 1186578;1435983770;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: anyone can narrow the rules, but whether that's "bitcoin" is an open question. 1186579;1435983884;mircea_popescu;i dun see it. the rule is "come to school dressed". if you all agree to wear skirts or all agree to wear cardigans, it's still school. 1186580;1435983891;*;ben_vulpes is also curious to see how much "political capital" the derpdation burns today 1186581;1435983910;decimation; if (block.nVersion < 2 && IsSuperMajority(2, pindexPrev, consensusParams.nMajorityRejectBlockOutdated, consensusParams)) 1186582;1435983912;mircea_popescu;o yea. that's part's gonna be epic. 1186583;1435983922;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes knows full well that it'll be blamed on 'wreckers' 1186584;1435983929;ben_vulpes;primarily, me. 1186585;1435983940;mircea_popescu;lmao right. 1186586;1435983945;mircea_popescu;get out. 1186587;1435983948;ben_vulpes;:P 1186588;1435983958;ben_vulpes;i never did anything, we all know that. joke's almost too easy. 1186589;1435984001;ben_vulpes;"Updating to the latest when what you have works is how you break things. 1186590;1435984003;ben_vulpes;" 1186591;1435984004;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is jit to lay kakobrekla's wonderments to rest. 1186592;1435984009;mircea_popescu;happy pappy ? 1186593;1435984012;ben_vulpes;"They're not running full nodes because the current 500KB blocks are too big. 1186594;1435984013;ben_vulpes;" 1186595;1435984015;ben_vulpes;ehueh 1186596;1435984022;mircea_popescu;lmao 1186597;1435984039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32404 @ 0.00051768 = 16.7749 BTC [+] 1186598;1435984042;ben_vulpes;reddit, for all the silencing and muting of the actual bitcoin foundation, seems to be turning the corner on sense 1186599;1435984046;mircea_popescu;this is such a goatfucked moment for teh schmucks... 1186600;1435984063;ben_vulpes;"Most likely this is caused by broken-by-design-for-profit mining code, but none of their stuff is open source AFAIK. Maybe more details will be known with time." 1186601;1435984072;ben_vulpes;<< lukejr 1186602;1435984092;ben_vulpes;;;later tell lukejr listen you gotta stop it wiht this "i can tell miners what's right and wrong" bs 1186603;1435984092;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1186604;1435984115;mircea_popescu;why ? he's a god fearing rotinculo from wisconsin or whatever. 1186605;1435984138;mircea_popescu;on the record having lied for profit and all that good stuff, but why should anything matter. 1186606;1435984153;ben_vulpes;man all i can do is nail this coffin closed 1186607;1435984158;ben_vulpes;one goddamn nail at a time 1186608;1435984168;ben_vulpes;hey kakobrekla how much can i cram into a rating field? 1186609;1435984170;asciilifeform;wait for'em all to get in 1186610;1435984173;asciilifeform;before nailin'. 1186611;1435984184;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: nodeps! 1186612;1435984200;ben_vulpes;i want a man in the ground, i don't make that dependent on his wife squirting or w/e 1186613;1435984243;mircea_popescu;Uh oh all these block explorers just flipped over to the invalid chain: 1186614;1435984243;mircea_popescu;http://btc.blockr.io/ <-- (seems to be flip flopping between the two chains) 1186615;1435984244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaBp8L ) 1186616;1435984244;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/ 1186617;1435984244;assbot;Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaBp8O ) 1186618;1435984244;mircea_popescu;https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/ 1186619;1435984246;assbot; Bitcoin Block Exporer | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaBp8Q ) 1186620;1435984246;mircea_popescu;Explorers on the good chain: 1186621;1435984246;mircea_popescu;https://insight.bitpay.com/ 1186622;1435984247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaBoBM ) 1186623;1435984247;mircea_popescu;https://chain.com/ 1186624;1435984248;assbot;Bitcoin API - Chain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaBoBO ) 1186625;1435984248;mircea_popescu;loller 1186626;1435984309;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/fFMZr for later. 1186627;1435984311;assbot;PSA: F2Pool is mining INVALID blocks : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaBqJG ) 1186628;1435984327;mircea_popescu;"Current status: F2Pool still broken; Antpool fixed (but no promise they won't intentionally re-break in the future)." is really all that one needs to lol 1186629;1435984345;decimation;this is the dumbest fucking thing I've seen in all my years with bitcoin 1186630;1435984373;decimation;if there's any reason why bitcoin will never be adopted, it's this kind of shit 1186631;1435984374;ben_vulpes;"re-break"? 1186632;1435984378;mircea_popescu;nah, the "we'll move to this new db system one schmuck that gofer'd coffee at google wrote with his chest hairs and nobody tested in any way" was the stupidest sahit 1186633;1435984390;ben_vulpes;meaning adopt the power ranger braindamage again? 1186634;1435984409;mircea_popescu;but the "we'll make wallet a plaintext file" and the "we'll target windows" and the "you know what's better than boost ? qt!" were pretty epic turn points too 1186635;1435984413;ben_vulpes;shinohai: you around? 1186636;1435984417;mod6;shinohai: is your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE node up to dayte? 1186637;1435984431;mircea_popescu;i don't think any sane nodes can be up to date atm, until this resolves. 1186638;1435984448;asciilifeform;i doubt anything can ever beat the 'i'll use c++, and on vs for good measure' moment 1186639;1435984451;mircea_popescu;anyway, having been duly amused for the evening, i retire to my eulorean empire. 1186640;1435984461;ben_vulpes;trinque: do you have a RI up-to-date? 1186641;1435984468;trinque;errr what's up to date? 1186642;1435984473;asciilifeform;i got one that's a few hrs away from sync 1186643;1435984474;trinque;I have a stator build 1186644;1435984492;mod6;the hope was to find if he can verify if v0.5.3.1 rejected or accepted the blocks in question; 363738 1186645;1435984495;ben_vulpes;synced 1186646;1435984501;trinque;ah no sir 1186647;1435984508;trinque;just deleted muh blockchain to resync 1186648;1435984513;mod6;mine is currently sync'ing against mp's seed. 1186649;1435984516;ben_vulpes;plz foar not to buhlete! 1186650;1435984522;trinque;I have others 1186651;1435984526;ben_vulpes;cp ~/.bitcoin.bak/ 1186652;1435984551;trinque;this laptop has not infinite gigs 1186653;1435984566;ben_vulpes;ah mhm. 1186654;1435984581;ben_vulpes;how's btcd handling r4gn4phr0k? 1186655;1435984634;trinque;the who and the whatnow? 1186656;1435984658;trinque;was syncing pretty quick, but I stopped and deleted for to be syncing against mircea_popescu's node 1186657;1435984681;trinque;got to like 150k I think before I stopped 1186658;1435984691;ben_vulpes;no no the conformal impl 1186659;1435984698;ben_vulpes;i thought you were running a conformal impl somewhere 1186660;1435984706;trinque;I am, how is it handling what though 1186661;1435984709;trinque;you got too 1337 on me 1186662;1435984712;ben_vulpes;there's a ph0rk in progress 1186663;1435984715;trinque;oh! 1186664;1435984720;trinque;lemme see muh logz 1186665;1435984730;ben_vulpes;check ur lawgz bru 1186666;1435984738;trinque;yeh just got home 1186667;1435984751;ben_vulpes;i'm nominally on vaycay but...panzer 1186668;1435984759;trinque;REORGANIZE 1186669;1435984767;trinque;quite a bit of that. 1186670;1435984768;ben_vulpes;euhue 1186671;1435984773;trinque;EXTEND FORK 1186672;1435984779;*;ben_vulpes has never seen a reorg happen live 1186673;1435984780;trinque;would the logs be interesting in any way? 1186674;1435984785;trinque;can paste 1186675;1435984797;mod6;sure, dpaste 'em up for maxtime 1186676;1435984801;trinque;kk 1186677;1435984802;ben_vulpes;foar posterity and posteriors 1186678;1435984857;asciilifeform;gavin alert out 1186679;1435984862;ben_vulpes;ugh man i kinda hate this 1186680;1435984874;ben_vulpes;"the chain that is the real chain is the chain that verifies under 0.5.3" 1186681;1435984895;ben_vulpes;this is almost as bad as defining a word with the word to be defined 1186682;1435984914;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: we're doing war, not mathematics 1186683;1435984934;asciilifeform;enemy is defined by pointing 'that one' 1186684;1435984949;asciilifeform;'the fella shooting our way' 1186685;1435985074;trinque;man chrome sucks at big pastes 1186686;1435985081;ben_vulpes;trinque: host it y'self. 1186687;1435985125;decimation;'you may not be interested in a fork, but...' 1186688;1435985136;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu, mod6, asciilifeform: i don't see a reason to make this much more than 25 words. do you think much detail or polemic is necessary here? 1186689;1435985157;asciilifeform;25 oughta do 1186690;1435985173;asciilifeform;'who comes to us with a fork, shall die by the fork' 1186691;1435985173;decimation;better to say less until we know wtf is going on 1186692;1435985205;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/02M3YRK.txt 1186693;1435985206;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eqM1hS ) 1186694;1435985215;*;mod6 looks 1186695;1435985234;ben_vulpes;perhaps a hash of the codebase instead of the semver crap? 1186696;1435985260;*;ben_vulpes is somewhat at sea w/r/t propaganda semantics 1186697;1435985266;decimation;I would say that on its face, bip66 isn't such a terrible idea 1186698;1435985275;decimation;but the way it's being forced is pretty stupid 1186699;1435985278;trinque;http://dpaste.com/2KR17VF.txt << btcd log of 2015/07/03 fork 1186700;1435985279;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eqM7Gq ) 1186701;1435985279;asciilifeform;if gavinists bring cure for cancer - it is bad idea. 1186702;1435985283;asciilifeform;this is an absolute. 1186703;1435985297;mod6;s/must be considered/is a/ ? 1186704;1435985309;decimation;yeah, it's not the bip66 issue, it's the mechanism they inserted for forcing change 1186705;1435985312;mod6;er /is an/ 1186706;1435985316;ben_vulpes;mod6: myeah entirely. 1186707;1435985341;asciilifeform;'bip66' is a grappling hook, yes 1186708;1435985347;ben_vulpes;well this signature issue is tricky as shit already - openssl is already blowing up validating the chain with anything other than... 1186709;1435985363;ben_vulpes;what was the version number of openssl we determined necessary to validate the full chain? 1186710;1435985373;mod6;1.0.1g 1186711;1435985381;ben_vulpes;ty, 1.0.1g 1186712;1435985384;mod6;otherwise we had issues on 168`001 iirc 1186713;1435985398;*;mod6 doublechecks the SoBAs 1186714;1435985413;asciilifeform;stator built on 1.0.1g. 1186715;1435985416;asciilifeform;for this reason. 1186716;1435985418;decimation;'please sir, accept my resonable patch in exchange for agreeing to forever accept what 'our mechanism' brings' 1186717;1435985445;asciilifeform;this is why shitgnomes are to be written out of the script permanently and unconditionally 1186718;1435985451;decimation;although as I've noted, they already incremented this machine 1186719;1435985452;mod6;yeah here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000055.html 1186720;1435985453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaCpJW ) 1186721;1435985457;asciilifeform;regardless of what they bring, or claim to bring, or promise to bring, to the table 1186722;1435985463;asciilifeform;political, rather than technical decision 1186723;1435985494;asciilifeform;(for as long as it carries under 'technical', the weasels can whine, wheedle, emit 'reasonable reasonings', even persuade the persuadable) 1186724;1435985503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00052134 = 4.2229 BTC [+] 1186725;1435985505;asciilifeform;political - and absolute. like blade of guillotine. 1186726;1435985528;decimation;asciilifeform: I can already hear jwz saying that he doesn't want politics, just to do the right thing 1186727;1435985528;ben_vulpes;mod6, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/367HMKF.txt 1186728;1435985529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaCwFj ) 1186729;1435985545;ben_vulpes;must be considered-> is an 1186730;1435985555;mod6;nice 1186731;1435985588;ben_vulpes;an informal signoff from y'bosses would be nice before i deposit this in the white porcelain turdotron 1186732;1435985625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33230 @ 0.0005207 = 17.3029 BTC [-] {2} 1186733;1435985640;*;ben_vulpes was looking through recent "bitcoin-core" pull requests, found many integration testing scripts 1186734;1435985652;ben_vulpes;looks like the shitgnomes have been working overtime to address my complaints. 1186735;1435985682;*;ben_vulpes is amused, but not honored. if ye'd only had actual management once upon a time, this'd not be a notable achievement. 1186736;1435985699;ben_vulpes;;;later tell gavinandresen ^^ 1186737;1435985700;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1186738;1435985710;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985338 < I think this is what he was talking about (nVersion) 1186739;1435985710;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 02:48:11; Luke-Jr: it can't, if you don't have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in.. 1186740;1435985752;decimation;err, no that was the bdb lock thing 1186741;1435985765;mod6;ok mp says he can see signing that statement ben_vulpes. go ahead, he'll even sign later when he gets on his other box. 1186742;1435985802;mod6;fire at will. 1186743;1435985815;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#985356 << this still hurts, every time i see it 1186744;1435985815;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2015 02:59:30; mod6: it was selected because "reasons" 1186745;1435985825;asciilifeform;'...let the motherfucker burn' 1186746;1435985869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33267 @ 0.00052134 = 17.3434 BTC [+] 1186747;1435985918;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> << this still hurts, every time i see it << awe! 1186748;1435986050;ben_vulpes;ah fml 1186749;1435986057;mod6;whatup? 1186750;1435986058;ben_vulpes;deedbot wru 1186751;1435986074;ben_vulpes;trinque: whar deedbot 1186752;1435986118;decimation;where did this consensus shit enter into the code base? 1186753;1435986119;mod6;anyway, you think i should have just called him out instead of saying "reasons"? 1186754;1435986157;mod6;or what hurts? 1186755;1435986174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84850 @ 0.00052155 = 44.2535 BTC [+] {2} 1186756;1435986189;ben_vulpes;"reasons" being that i wrote a blog post saying "i don't think much happened after this" 1186757;1435986230;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000114.html << ahaha fattest fingers. 1186758;1435986231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaCYUe ) 1186759;1435986275;mod6;ah... 1186760;1435986286;mod6;yeah, i should have just pointed him to your blog. 1186761;1435986295;mod6;my bad. 1186762;1435986320;mod6;lol 1186763;1435986335;ben_vulpes;those hafta be the 2 derpiest typos of my life. 1186764;1435986343;ben_vulpes;anyways 1186765;1435986635;trinque;awaken. 1186766;1435986684;trinque;ben_vulpes: ^ 1186767;1435986704;trinque;ben_vulpes: guess what else I'll be rewriting in cl at some point. 1186768;1435986722;trinque;the golang part gets into some dumb state where it wont reconnect. 1186769;1435986805;mod6;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1P0JEFS.txt 1186770;1435986806;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eqOLMh ) 1186771;1435986806;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1186772;1435986826;decimation;at any rate this whole rejection machine can be permanantly jammed by setting nversion to MAX_INT 1186773;1435987000;ben_vulpes;deedbot-: http://cascadianhacker.com/ph0rk.txt 1186774;1435987001;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eqP2yI ) 1186775;1435987002;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1186776;1435987253;decimation;I'm fairly certain that if 0.5.3.1 were used to mine a block with nVerion=1 it would be rejected 1186777;1435987288;decimation;as more than 950 blocks have passed since the first instance of the IsSuperMajority machine being used 1186778;1435987340;mod6;thanks ben_vulpes 1186779;1435987361;mod6;i put it out there on derp-media too 1186780;1435987605;decimation;I would also note that the bitcoind github commits and comments lie about the IsSuperMajority machine. They say that the mandatory rejection won't take effect until 95% of the blocks are incremented - but in fact it's only 950 1186781;1435987733;decimation;950 out of the last 1000 blocks 1186782;1435987751;decimation;hardly 'consensus' in view of the 363000 block history of bitcoin 1186783;1435987964;decimation;which amounts to one week of 'voting window' 1186784;1435987971;decimation;one week out of years of doing things a certain way 1186785;1435988309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16414 @ 0.0005214 = 8.5583 BTC [-] {2} 1186786;1435988564;decimation;at any rate this mechanism dates back to 2012 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1525 and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1526 1186787;1435988565;assbot;Use CTransaction/CBlock version numbers for smoother upgrades by gavinandresen · Pull Request #1525 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNKrVq ) 1186788;1435988567;assbot;Transition to requiring block height in block coinbases by gavinandresen · Pull Request #1526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNKrVs ) 1186789;1435988739;decimation;which would have been released in 0.7rc1 roughly 1186790;1435988919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.0005145 = 26.2395 BTC [-] {3} 1186791;1435988978;midnightmagic;decimation: 1000 blocks is a couple percent of all work done ever on the entire blockchain since inception, and the current hashrate could rewrite the entire history up to something like august 2014 in somewhere close to the span of time that non-vote took place over, times a very small number. :( unfortunately. 1186792;1435989003;ben_vulpes;oh look 1186793;1435989010;decimation;this machine is braindamaged in my opinion 1186794;1435989022;ben_vulpes;a midnightmagic 1186795;1435989024;decimation;at any rate, it's not like you couldn't jam it by changing nversion to an arbitrary value 1186796;1435989033;ben_vulpes;decimation: srsly. 1186797;1435989042;ben_vulpes;magic numbers and magic thinking. 1186798;1435989051;decimation;to spite, you could even pick a value between 4 and MAX_INT randomly 1186799;1435989054;ben_vulpes;another value for derpfiguration. 1186800;1435989058;ben_vulpes;euhue 1186801;1435989079;midnightmagic;i'm just saying that it sounds like a little bit in comparison to both time, and integerial block height, but actual work-wise it a significant chunk. again, very unfortunately. 1186802;1435989086;phf;ha, stator build on openbsd i386 1186803;1435989109;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: this is a basic feature of integrals and curves. 1186804;1435989149;ben_vulpes;lol 'integerial' 1186805;1435989168;decimation;midnightmagic: the "amount of work" argument utterly fails to impress 1186806;1435989199;decimation;also, it's probably not going to be true in a year or two as 14 nm asics fan out and become barely economic 1186807;1435989249;midnightmagic;that is the inverse of what will happen as more-efficient mining equipment arrives. 1186808;1435989293;decimation;also, your argument would also be true if nMajorityWindow=10000 or 100000 1186809;1435989359;ben_vulpes;decimation is ready to bet against diff increases? 1186810;1435989376;decimation;I think it's likely to level out in the coming year or two, maybe longer 1186811;1435989383;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic is ready to work more student exercises? 1186812;1435989403;decimation;unless someone can tell me exactly how they are going to 'get efficient' 1186813;1435989418;ben_vulpes;efficiency is not a prerequisite for fab runs. 1186814;1435989433;decimation;no, but it is for profitability in the face of non-zero electric rates 1186815;1435989465;ben_vulpes;since when has midnightmagic's employer given a shit about profitability? 1186816;1435989508;midnightmagic;ben_vulpes: #trollfail. That sort of thing doesn't work on me, especially when it comes from someone like you. 1186817;1435989527;ben_vulpes;lol and yet you bit 1186818;1435989560;midnightmagic;ben_vulpes: You would call a bite any response. That is the fundamental nature of #trollfail. 1186819;1435989602;ben_vulpes;y'ever hear the line: "don't feed the trolls"? 1186820;1435989605;midnightmagic;Regardless, a 1000-block window is not unreasonable if one accepts that mining hashpower is the vote that counts. 1186821;1435989614;decimation;I don't accept it. 1186822;1435989633;decimation;nor does this argument hold for 1000, because the same argument can be made for 50000 1186823;1435989665;ben_vulpes;i don't accept it either. 1186824;1435989714;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: you make this mistake of letting the plants control the conversation. "what's the right magic number of blocks to signal fork acceptance?" answer: there isn't. there is only the long-term behavior of the network. 1186825;1435989733;midnightmagic;Correct. I am saying your complaint about it being unreasonable is illogical by any measure of the mining work done: there *is* no other meaningful window, or measurement, of the bitcoin network without shifting to PoS or DPoS. But if you want to do that, fork bitshares. 1186826;1435989757;ben_vulpes;this moronic 'acceptance-in-blockchain' algo doesn't work, because hashpower can revert and rewrite an arbitrarily-lengthed blockchain. 1186827;1435989785;midnightmagic;ben_vulpes: On that at least, we agree. I agree with that: the current hashrate is as illegitimate as a vote of private keys would be in determining a softfork. What else is there? 1186828;1435989787;ben_vulpes;'s just no window. 1186829;1435989799;ben_vulpes;there's* just no window. 1186830;1435989839;ben_vulpes;just the network. that, only that, no more, no less. 1186831;1435989860;midnightmagic;Thus, backing up further, there is the legitimacy of BIP66 at all. If it is not legitimate, we have a consensus code failure every time openssl decides they want to change behaviour. 1186832;1435989881;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: art thou familiar with the 1.0.1g issue? 1186833;1435989897;decimation;you are subjugating human judgement to unthinking machinery - this can never be reasonable 1186834;1435989912;ben_vulpes;openssl changed behavior. bitcoin did not. 1186835;1435989961;decimation;midnightmagic: who is holding a gun to your head, requiring you to update openssl? 1186836;1435989974;midnightmagic;I'm familiar with the DER-encoding change they made, and I'm aware of, if not familiar with, every major bug in openssl since 2001 or so. Could I draw a line between releases that had bugs and releases that fixed them? No. Not even close. 1186837;1435990016;decimation;why isn't anyone seriously attempting to extract the open-ssl code paths used by bitcoin? 1186838;1435990016;ben_vulpes;bitcoind's built with openssl versions after 1.0.1g don't sync. 1186839;1435990037;ben_vulpes;this, i gather, is news to you. 1186840;1435990042;ben_vulpes;bitcoinds* 1186841;1435990047;midnightmagic;decimation: Nobody, of course. Then we go back to static builds and what happens when an actual bug hits and the fork is so old that the fix doesn't backport? How divergent are we willing to accept? 1186842;1435990064;midnightmagic;lol. No, it's not news to me. Yes, I already knew that. 1186843;1435990096;decimation;midnightmagic: the cure to that problem is not forcing changes of an uncertain nature, but to gain certainty in the codebase 1186844;1435990158;decimation;why wouldn't we want a static bitcoind that is correct for all time? 1186845;1435990169;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: you were probably just on the cusp of killing hitler too. 1186846;1435990274;ben_vulpes; why wouldn't we want a static bitcoind that is correct for all time? << we do. midnightmagic does not. 1186847;1435990281;midnightmagic;well, then we have the forking risk I mentioned above: what happens when the openssl people make a fix or the internet finds a bug in the component that we depend on? If we sit on 0.9.8 or whatever the version was before those idiots got their hands on it and started adding malicious exploits, what happens? 1186848;1435990301;decimation;understand the code, make sure it doesn't happen 1186849;1435990315;decimation;pretending like others are there to solve your problems seems like a poor approach 1186850;1435990317;midnightmagic;ben_vulpes: You can keep guessing what I mean without actually asking me, but you're no less wrong. 1186851;1435990346;ben_vulpes;decimation: no but you see we need to slurp the spitoon because if we don't something terrifying that we can't reason about won't happen! 1186852;1435990383;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: no less wrong than what now? 1186853;1435990405;midnightmagic;I'm not pretending that; I'm explicitly saying, divergence implies there is no reason to even *use* openssl at that point. strip out the components, use them, skip openssl entirely, and, I guess, trust in your ability to monitor the progenitor of your codebase for bugs that *explicitly affect your consensus-critical code*. 1186854;1435990438;decimation;agreed, except "consenus-critical" means "compatible with what satoshi wrote" in my book 1186855;1435990444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159666 @ 0.00052679 = 84.1105 BTC [+] {5} 1186856;1435990445;midnightmagic;or, do what sipa did and write a secp256k1 lib because the openssl people don't give a shit they're wrecking dependencies. 1186857;1435990484;midnightmagic;because, like I said, I think some people in there appear to be adding exploitable code with absurd frequency. 1186858;1435990488;decimation;again, nobody is forcing anybody use a version of openssl they don't want to use. 1186859;1435990579;midnightmagic;ehh. satoshi's code, bugs and all. we could also stick with bdb and accept the quirks like the old accidental fork post-leveldb. 1186860;1435990606;midnightmagic;.. which appears to have been a gavin/hearn originated bug. 1186861;1435990608;ben_vulpes;it's all well and good to say "strip out the components", i just don't buy that that's possible. 1186862;1435990619;decimation;his code sucks, I don't deny, but it's the closest thing to a spec that we have 1186863;1435990629;decimation;start there and iterate the code toward perfection 1186864;1435990660;decimation;ideally, writing a damn spec first 1186865;1435990717;midnightmagic;it's all a question of how much you trust your ability to make code that converges on consensus. are you so awesome you can either sit on an old openssl, or write your own replacements? are you so godlike you can write testcases for every corner-case, bugs and all? I know I'm not. Maybe you guys are. I dunno. 1186866;1435990749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69387 @ 0.00053112 = 36.8528 BTC [+] {2} 1186867;1435990776;midnightmagic;Say, why did you guys stop openly calling out Gavin and Hearn anyway? 1186868;1435990795;decimation;gavin is mentioned on here from time to time 1186869;1435990799;midnightmagic;Once everyone else started, you stopped. How come? 1186870;1435990806;decimation;!s usgavin 1186871;1435990807;assbot;43 results for 'usgavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=usgavin 1186872;1435990810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126663 @ 0.00053379 = 67.6114 BTC [+] {5} 1186873;1435990815;midnightmagic;Yeah, I mean aside from the grumbling in here which nobody but people *in here* seems to read. 1186874;1435990850;midnightmagic;For a while you were writing reddit posts and qntra articles and all sorts of stuff. Half the time you got Gavin himself "derping" as you put it, in your comments. 1186875;1435990863;decimation;well, it wasn't me doing any of this stuff 1186876;1435990869;midnightmagic;Or coming in here and randomly arguing with you. 1186877;1435990880;decimation;he did a few times, rather unimpressively 1186878;1435990957;ben_vulpes; Yeah, I mean aside from the grumbling in here which nobody but people *in here* seems to read. << how could you possible know 1186879;1435990960;ben_vulpes;possibly* 1186880;1435991000;ben_vulpes; Once everyone else started, you stopped. How come? << hipsters always move on, boss 1186881;1435991067;midnightmagic;Unless you are implying people outside the bitcoin world are voracious readers of the -ass logs, as far as I can tell in all the articles, reddit posts, twitter feeds, etc, I don't see more than a passing mention. But even if that weren't so, really I'm a little disappointed the wind all went out of your sails, as it were. 1186882;1435991071;ben_vulpes;6/10 #spergytrollfail 1186883;1435991110;decimation;I don't really read reddit or twitter, but I recall that gavin captiulated, more or less 1186884;1435991135;midnightmagic;And here they are, going on little half-drunken joke-rants about how maybe they should just remove everyone else's commit access and unilaterally take control again. 1186885;1435991174;decimation;who where is? 1186886;1435991178;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: reddit? twitter? d'you want to roll medium and perhaps bitcointalk.org into that as well? 1186887;1435991202;midnightmagic;You guys *heads* were exploding in here, and then when "the rest" of the bitcoin-core devs took up the flag you all went quiet again. wtf? 1186888;1435991212;ben_vulpes;for a grand coup of shit-as-what-don't-matter? 1186889;1435991244;ben_vulpes;so we won, and you want to 3/10 troll on the topic? 1186890;1435991252;midnightmagic;I presumed your head would explode if I mentioned forbes (due to its primary bitcoin author being a douchebag), or mainstream media. 1186891;1435991276;midnightmagic;He didn't capitulate. 1186892;1435991280;ben_vulpes;*derpboom* 1186893;1435991298;trinque;gcovr outputs a nice html version of the gcov output 1186894;1435991305;trinque;gonna let this run for a while, then I'll share the results 1186895;1435991310;midnightmagic;What? He's pushing his BIP and pullreq, and Hearn is busy doing pullreqs which he knows doesn't have a chance of making it. 1186896;1435991349;decimation;if bitcoin core devs agree with what people here are writing, why don't they venture here to make their case? 1186897;1435991368;midnightmagic;.. why would they do that? 1186898;1435991373;ben_vulpes;moreover, if the decisions made here trickle down to "bitcoin core", why should we pursue them further? 1186899;1435991403;decimation;umm, why would we give a shit about what they are saying otherwise? I donno bro, you're the one accusing here. 1186900;1435991441;midnightmagic;Besides, you went quiet well before he "capitulated". 1186901;1435991457;ben_vulpes;why bang on about points that are already settled? 1186902;1435991470;midnightmagic;I guess that answers my question. 1186903;1435991475;midnightmagic;fair enough. 1186904;1435991505;decimation;all I can say, for myself, is that folks write stuff on this channel, I would read; comment - as would others 1186905;1435991529;midnightmagic;I grok. 1186906;1435991577;decimation;with respect to bip 66 in particular, it's not a terrible idea, but it strikes me as backwards 1186907;1435991593;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: re #trollfail it's supposed to be lighthearted elbows-in-ribs 1186908;1435991603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00053547 = 19.4643 BTC [+] {2} 1186909;1435991608;decimation;why not solidify the questionable openssl code first, before lightly restricting certain signature forms? 1186910;1435991634;midnightmagic;ben_vulpes: Dude man, with the shit you guys say in here, I have no idea when you're ribbing someone, or promising a spear in the gut. :( 1186911;1435991684;ben_vulpes;you're not in line for a stake 1186912;1435991685;ben_vulpes;yet 1186913;1435991687;ben_vulpes;:P 1186914;1435991689;midnightmagic;lol 1186915;1435991703;decimation;at least you show up, comment 1186916;1435991710;ben_vulpes;myeah 1186917;1435991713;ben_vulpes;conflict is productive! 1186918;1435991725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00053567 = 34.3097 BTC [+] {2} 1186919;1435991808;ben_vulpes;anyways, chickens run around with their heads cut off for minutes. what of it? they still lost to the butcher. 1186920;1435991861;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: Dude man, with the shit you guys say in here, I have no idea when you're ribbing someone, or promising a spear in the gut. :( << the ambiguity has to be completely intolerable 1186921;1435991872;midnightmagic;Maybe my appraisal is just wrong. Could be. Seems to me they're just taking a breather to set up the schism. 1186922;1435991890;decimation;'they' being gavin et al? 1186923;1435991898;midnightmagic;Yeah, Gavin/Hearn. 1186924;1435991905;midnightmagic;The Satoshi-Halo-Wearers. 1186925;1435991914;decimation;yes. ultimately this is war, and we have a strategy 1186926;1435991914;thestringpuller;oh did i come back for drama? 1186927;1435991951;ben_vulpes;nah we seem to have defused the antagonism for now 1186928;1435991979;midnightmagic;thestringpuller: not at all, I mainly wanted to know why you all were being so quiet lately. :-P 1186929;1435992085;ben_vulpes;quiet!? 1186930;1435992112;ben_vulpes;dumpblock, eatblock, exposure of the ancient blockchain is quiet now? 1186931;1435992121;ben_vulpes;i thought you said you were reading logs!? 1186932;1435992134;decimation;midnightmagic: yeah actually we are mostly focusing on building a working, sane bitcoind 1186933;1435992135;thestringpuller;midnightmagic: cause I fucked up my shoulder being on the computer all day at work so I read comic books instead after work. 1186934;1435992138;midnightmagic;Yes, I saw all that. I mean *outwardly* quiet. 1186935;1435992181;decimation;I think there's a general ambivalence about what bitcoin-devs want or do 1186936;1435992205;thestringpuller;midnightmagic: there really isn't news. just gavin/hearn having a temper tantrum like a little kid because they want more subsidies for poor people. 1186937;1435992336;thestringpuller;midnightmagic: also mircea_popescu 's series on the subject (http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/) outlines and details the idiocy of every redditard comment that was, is, and will be on the subject 1186938;1435992380;decimation;at any rate, I'm going to sleep, I'm sure others will comment tomorrow on this discussion. 1186939;1435992496;ben_vulpes;midnightmagic: that's some wack ass disingenuous shit. you jumped in on the n block consensus line. 1186940;1435992884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10788 @ 0.00053569 = 5.779 BTC [+] 1186941;1435992895;midnightmagic;Just trying to be polite. 1186942;1435992945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115612 @ 0.00053634 = 62.0073 BTC [+] {3} 1186943;1435993357;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186287 << co2. still the best solution in any perspective. 1186944;1435993357;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 01:14:46; asciilifeform: (virgin tears? vodka ?) 1186945;1435993478;trinque;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mod6: http://bot.deedbot.org/stator-gcov/ << here's what my gcov run looks like so far. 135k 1186946;1435993480;assbot;Head ... ( http://bit.ly/1NFAlEp ) 1186947;1435993500;trinque;nice way to read the source 1186948;1435993519;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186321 << gotta ask whoever runs that site. 1186949;1435993519;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 02:07:07; DanyAlos: I was looking for #bitcoin-assets on this search engine (http://irc.netsplit.de/channels), and realized that it is not listed. Is there any particular reason for not being there? 1186950;1435993547;mircea_popescu;currently the cannonical b-a log service is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com 1186951;1435993549;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1NFAqb1 ) 1186952;1435993600;mircea_popescu;(an important point about co2 extinguishers is that they also cool when deployed. this effect is significant. heavier gases - not so much) 1186953;1435993675;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186358 << also touched upon in here a few times. definitely the right way to do this. 1186954;1435993675;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 02:46:46; asciilifeform: what i think would be considerably more useful is a provision for 'programmable checkpoints' 1186955;1435993775;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186389 << for a long time in 2012/2013 there were "gencoin only" miners, at the peak doing like 15% ish of total hashing 1186956;1435993775;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 03:04:15; asciilifeform: but it would stand to reason that miners will eventually exert more tx fee pressure 1186957;1435993775;mircea_popescu;no txn included. 1186958;1435993921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60112 @ 0.00053707 = 32.2844 BTC [+] {2} 1186959;1435993982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21038 @ 0.00053837 = 11.3262 BTC [+] 1186960;1435994135;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186697 << i dun think it does anything useful ; on the other hand it doesn't do anything whatsoever that wasn't either already done, or as good as already done. but whatever, let the flies buzzing in front of the truck get their fly trophies for opening the road to trucks. 1186961;1435994135;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 04:47:46; decimation: I would say that on its face, bip66 isn't such a terrible idea 1186962;1435994153;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, being critted for > 9k ironies over something like this is beyond comedic. 1186963;1435994163;mircea_popescu;fitting for the empire of stupid, but still. 1186964;1435994224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186699 << seems it handled it gracefully. 1186965;1435994224;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 04:47:58; trinque: http://dpaste.com/2KR17VF.txt << btcd log of 2015/07/03 fork 1186966;1435994321;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186723 << it has historically proven to have been a massive mistake, perhaps the largest mistake on record, that people in the early f/oss made to argue on supposed technical merits and play-pretend the "impartial scientists". 1186967;1435994321;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 04:51:34; asciilifeform: (for as long as it carries under 'technical', the weasels can whine, wheedle, emit 'reasonable reasonings', even persuade the persuadable) 1186968;1435994328;mircea_popescu;i believe the lesson was learned. 1186969;1435994432;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186772 << and watch the PR implementation crash and burn over division by negative zero and things. 1186970;1435994432;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 05:13:46; decimation: at any rate this whole rejection machine can be permanantly jammed by setting nversion to MAX_INT 1186971;1435994478;mircea_popescu;but at any rate : setting the "nversion" to maxint has at least the important symbolic significance of saying "this is the last version". 1186972;1435994482;mircea_popescu;which may be a valuable thing. 1186973;1435994565;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186780 << this is true, but broadly uninteresting. 1186974;1435994565;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 05:26:45; decimation: I would also note that the bitcoind github commits and comments lie about the IsSuperMajority machine. They say that the mandatory rejection won't take effect until 95% of the blocks are incremented - but in fact it's only 950 1186975;1435994592;mircea_popescu;i mean, other than painting the picture of the vermin in unflattering tones, which it does. in the field it can do precisely jack. 1186976;1435994668;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186807 << more efficient mining equipment is not really happening past this point. 1186977;1435994668;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 05:54:09; midnightmagic: that is the inverse of what will happen as more-efficient mining equipment arrives. 1186978;1435994677;mircea_popescu;certainly nothing like we've seen to date. 1186979;1435994805;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186836 << this is actually quite true. 1186980;1435994805;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:06:14; midnightmagic: I'm familiar with the DER-encoding change they made, and I'm aware of, if not familiar with, every major bug in openssl since 2001 or so. Could I draw a line between releases that had bugs and releases that fixed them? No. Not even close. 1186981;1435994822;mircea_popescu;pure spaghetti mess, wherein no soul can tell where the pasta ends and the cook's hairs begin 1186982;1435994859;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186837 << for the same reason no one's attempting any other flavour of serious works anywhere in the decaying west, on any topic, for any reason. too busy posturing in front of things. 1186983;1435994859;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:06:56; decimation: why isn't anyone seriously attempting to extract the open-ssl code paths used by bitcoin? 1186984;1435994915;mircea_popescu;an exquisitely african thing this, as late as 2000 one could notice that all the egyptians seem willing to do is stand in front of the pyramids with their chests pushed out, or else gesturing importantly. meanwhile... the people who built those things don't look anything like the arab mongrels currently populating the place, if extant statues are to be believed. 1186985;1435994923;mircea_popescu;similarly is the case of "americans". 1186986;1435994955;mircea_popescu;whose great-grand parents noticed, while taking the upper-middle class mandatory "tour of europe", that the italians similarly etc etc. 1186987;1435995107;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186847 << while this problem exists, i think the case that it is strictly preferable to attempt building a functional system than to bemoan one's fate of having been born to parents this poor, stupid and useless needs not be further pressed. 1186988;1435995107;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:11:21; midnightmagic: well, then we have the forking risk I mentioned above: what happens when the openssl people make a fix or the internet finds a bug in the component that we depend on? If we sit on 0.9.8 or whatever the version was before those idiots got their hands on it and started adding malicious exploits, what happens? 1186989;1435995132;midnightmagic;Almost like a sort of mass-ennui/retirement mentality. Tired of working for something they don't believe in anymore. 1186990;1435995155;mircea_popescu;it is in point of fact better to have a static build that specifically ennumerates blocks prior to height X and then proceeds from there, than to have the present situation. 1186991;1435995182;mircea_popescu;and that's 40 gb's worth of magic number. 1186992;1435995187;midnightmagic;I meant to suggest that the amount of effort of doing it oneself compared with the projected risk of it happening while someone else is working on it.. which option is less expensive/reliable? 1186993;1435995234;midnightmagic;And sipa, it seems, agrees with you, hence the existence of libsecpblah 1186994;1435995235;mircea_popescu;you familiar with my observation re alf's "folk with brains are useless - they want to use the brains" that in terms of "optimal impact", you're always better off waiting ? 1186995;1435995282;midnightmagic;No, but I do know for a fact that procrastination has saved my life at least six or seven times. :) 1186996;1435995285;mircea_popescu;this is not actually a rational reason to wait. 1186997;1435995290;mircea_popescu;sure, so it has. mine too. 1186998;1435995490;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186854 << it's a complex mess. satoshi generally wrote stuff that didn't actually work for the intended purpose. it is very far from inconceivable we shall in a year discover a fundamental bug in any of a dozen dozens different essential components. 1186999;1435995490;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:13:58; decimation: agreed, except "consenus-critical" means "compatible with what satoshi wrote" in my book 1187000;1435995594;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186857 << not just there. which is why the entire signed patches business. 1187001;1435995594;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:14:44; midnightmagic: because, like I said, I think some people in there appear to be adding exploitable code with absurd frequency. 1187002;1435995656;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186865 << time will definitely tell. 1187003;1435995656;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:18:37; midnightmagic: it's all a question of how much you trust your ability to make code that converges on consensus. are you so awesome you can either sit on an old openssl, or write your own replacements? are you so godlike you can write testcases for every corner-case, bugs and all? I know I'm not. Maybe you guys are. I dunno. 1187004;1435995680;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186869 << this is where policy is set, not followed. 1187005;1435995680;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:19:59; midnightmagic: Once everyone else started, you stopped. How come? 1187006;1435995757;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186881 lmao "hey guise, everyone is now playing to your tune, what do you mean everyone's playing to your tune ?!?!?! so sad to see wind out of your sails as everyone's playing to your tune!!!" 1187007;1435995757;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:24:27; midnightmagic: Unless you are implying people outside the bitcoin world are voracious readers of the -ass logs, as far as I can tell in all the articles, reddit posts, twitter feeds, etc, I don't see more than a passing mention. But even if that weren't so, really I'm a little disappointed the wind all went out of your sails, as it were. 1187008;1435995761;mircea_popescu;what are you, on vitamins ? 1187009;1435995891;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186909 << have you looked into that thing, god help you ? 1187010;1435995891;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:33:28; decimation: why not solidify the questionable openssl code first, before lightly restricting certain signature forms? 1187011;1435995903;mircea_popescu;it's a complete re-write. ask anyone. 1187012;1435996012;midnightmagic;:-P No, just wondering why you think anyone else is more capable than you are at ensuring a value-destroying fork doesn't happen. 1187013;1435996013;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186924 << hearn was never included in that. 1187014;1435996013;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:38:25; midnightmagic: The Satoshi-Halo-Wearers. 1187015;1435996034;midnightmagic;He is while he's riding around on Gavin's back. The Halo's right there above him. 1187016;1435996035;mircea_popescu;i think what ? how is this even a problem ? 1187017;1435996049;mircea_popescu;in this sense the halo's about as stretched as gavin's mother. 1187018;1435996051;midnightmagic;You "set the policy" and then stopped. 1187019;1435996076;mircea_popescu;stopped what ? 1187020;1435996104;midnightmagic;Externally combating a blocksize increase with articles, comments, and discussion external to -ass. 1187021;1435996157;mircea_popescu;why ? point's well made, everyone's happy to be part of bitcoin by standing on borrowed intelligence. let them. 1187022;1435996182;mircea_popescu;next time they'll need some they... ahem... won't read b-a logs etc once more. 1187023;1435996225;midnightmagic;Because they haven't stopped yet. Hearn's submitting pullreqs he's going to use as propaganda to push people to -XT, and Gavin's going through the bip/pullreq motions when he knows he's going to be voted down. Again. 1187024;1435996232;mircea_popescu;so ? 1187025;1435996249;mircea_popescu;and lawsky's going around trying to scam people like a resurected antonopopo derpopopop. 1187026;1435996258;midnightmagic;"Miners, merchants, and exchanges," all agree with him. Supposedly. 1187027;1435996264;mircea_popescu;any idea how long the list is ? even nefario is making the occasional reappearance. 1187028;1435996269;mircea_popescu;yes yes. 1187029;1435996281;mircea_popescu;every bum drunk has a story of greatness. go, listen. care. 1187030;1435996290;midnightmagic;What? Nefario is back?! His huge black eyes all healed up?! 1187031;1435996306;mircea_popescu;eh, they nibble discreetely at teh periphery. 1187032;1435996319;midnightmagic;Lawsky.. name sounds familiar. 1187033;1435996331;midnightmagic;oh, the litlicence guy. 1187034;1435996338;mircea_popescu;heck, kenna and the armandi fellow are prolly due for a novel attempt too 1187035;1435996392;mircea_popescu;the legions of hell are truely an infinite headcount. why do you care so much about some particular schmucks in the chorus ? why not that tv scammer dude while you're at it, what was his name 1187036;1435996422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00052491 = 14.9599 BTC [-] {2} 1187037;1435996427;mircea_popescu;keiser. 1187038;1435996467;midnightmagic;Dude wears the Halo. The other scammers don't matter so much. And if I really cared, I'd be doing something other than flicking out belly button lint in the shower. I'm just curious to know why *you guys* stopped. 1187039;1435996471;mircea_popescu;to you. 1187040;1435996491;mircea_popescu;he only wears the halo ~to you~. because you're a particular sort of inner build, and because you ate a particular diet. 1187041;1435996510;mircea_popescu;your experiences and inner life are not nearly as universal as you imagine before you examine it. 1187042;1435996531;midnightmagic;No, not to me. He wears the halo that makes large audiences cheer for him instead of throwing spitballs, when he says he should revoke everyone's commit access and be a dictator. 1187043;1435996550;mircea_popescu;to most everyone else, gavin's just another washed up website designer with a great story from five years ago. 1187044;1435996565;mircea_popescu;sort-of like how rassah bought a car or some guy bought a pizza. 1187045;1435996571;mircea_popescu;"dude i could have been so rich and important". 1187046;1435996573;midnightmagic;Nobody wears a halo to me. Well. Maybe Grigori Perelman.. 1187047;1435996576;mircea_popescu;yeah, sure. no shortage. 1187048;1435996593;mircea_popescu;"and then we came THIS CLOSE to selling out to amazon for 5 trtillion" 1187049;1435996603;mircea_popescu;go hang out in sf, see how often this comes up. 1187050;1435996643;mircea_popescu;anyways. my 2c. 1187051;1435996755;midnightmagic;(but Perelman's a safe bet because he's a recluse and there's no possibility of that image ever being shattered) 1187052;1435996780;mircea_popescu;he's still alive. never trust the living. for all you know he ends up like donald trump, doing reality shows in his 70s 1187053;1435997090;midnightmagic;blech 1187054;1435998374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00051343 = 30.4464 BTC [-] {2} 1187055;1435999106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30341 @ 0.0005312 = 16.1171 BTC [+] 1187056;1435999168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25159 @ 0.00053427 = 13.4417 BTC [+] 1187057;1435999838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16351 @ 0.00052446 = 8.5754 BTC [-] 1187058;1436000815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00053618 = 24.3426 BTC [+] 1187059;1436003682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.0005281 = 29.468 BTC [-] 1187060;1436004328;punkman;so... did the DER chain lose the race? 1187061;1436004471;punkman;I just started a stator patched to not skip VerifySignature, wonder if it'll work this time 1187062;1436005024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00053626 = 27.8319 BTC [+] {2} 1187063;1436005029;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/acrophobia/ << this one rocks 1187064;1436005029;assbot;Acrophobia ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0g322 ) 1187065;1436005111;punkman;next one was good too http://oglaf.com/rangerron/ 1187066;1436005113;assbot;Ranger Ron's Wilderness survival guide ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0gc5I ) 1187067;1436005313;Jautenim;dafuq https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2015-07-04-spv-mining 1187068;1436005315;assbot;Some Miners Generating Invalid Blocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1RaUyaC ) 1187069;1436006267;mircea_popescu;see logs mebbe ? 1187070;1436006289;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186613 < i dont see any difference? 1187071;1436006289;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 04:30:43; mircea_popescu: Uh oh all these block explorers just flipped over to the invalid chain: 1187072;1436006732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00053217 = 29.7483 BTC [-] 1187073;1436007361;*;kakobrekla caught up 1187074;1436007366;kakobrekla;so we are stuck on v3 now. 1187075;1436007666;shinohai;I'm at 254300 this morning, yay 1187076;1436007738;shinohai;so http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-07-2015#1186636 almost there mod6 1187077;1436007738;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 04:33:37; mod6: shinohai: is your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE node up to dayte? 1187078;1436007773;mircea_popescu;http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << at least they sign. 1187079;1436007774;assbot;XSA-135 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAf28N ) 1187080;1436007861;punkman;"We are using 10.2 but got this message anyway: "Your node software is out of date and may accept an invalid blockchain fork. Do not trust confirmation."" "There was a mistake made and an alert that showed up on v0.10.2 was sent out accidentally; should be now fixed." 1187081;1436007905;mircea_popescu;oh a mistake ? aww. 1187082;1436007918;punkman;petertodd's answer ^ 1187083;1436007931;punkman;lukejr: "Sorry, accident, ignore." 1187084;1436007961;punkman;petertodd: "Honestly I was half-expecting this to happen, and was actually busy writing up a warning for SPV wallets users when this issue came up." 1187085;1436008011;shinohai;http://redd.it/3c305f <<< whelp can't trust my 0.5.3 node /s 1187086;1436008013;assbot;If you are using any wallet other than Bitcoin Core 0.10.x or 0.9.5 (or something backed by one of those versions), then you should not trust incoming transactions until they have ~30 confirmations. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0jGVG ) 1187087;1436008019;kakobrekla;so if nothing else, cpu mining code needs to be updated in the ref implementation now or what 1187088;1436008019;mircea_popescu;honestly i fully expect fail to "happen" 1187089;1436008045;mircea_popescu;i thought reddit went private. 1187090;1436008045;punkman;cpu mining code probably needs more than a couple fixes 1187091;1436008057;kakobrekla;or does it need to work only on alpha centauri? 1187092;1436008070;kakobrekla;or should i say only not-earth 1187093;1436008110;mircea_popescu;check out all the miners that were mining off thin air, incidentally. because the bandwidth doubled so much. 1187094;1436008223;kakobrekla;fees not large enough to offset the finite speed of light 1187095;1436008249;shinohai;It appears f2p pool "almost" mined them out xD 1187096;1436008676;mircea_popescu;quantum computing will solve this. 1187097;1436009050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36150 @ 0.00052768 = 19.0756 BTC [-] {2} 1187098;1436009782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37849 @ 0.00052533 = 19.8832 BTC [-] {2} 1187099;1436010512;punkman;in other news, stator (with openssl1.0.1g) patched to not skip VerifySignature, has not barfed up to block 146k (previous attempt barfed earlier than that) 1187100;1436011246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143250 @ 0.00051227 = 73.3827 BTC [-] {4} 1187101;1436011796;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=140078 relevant to ^ 1187102;1436011799;assbot;New Bitcoin vulnerability: A transaction that takes at least 3 minutes to verify ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD6BHo ) 1187103;1436011885;cazalla;wow GG America, well and truly lost the plot now http://myfox8.com/2015/07/03/florida-teacher-who-had-sex-with-three-teens-sentenced-to-22-years-in-prison/ 1187104;1436011887;assbot;Florida teacher who had sex with three teens sentenced to 22 years in prison | myfox8.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD6N9w ) 1187105;1436011951;punkman;"Two other male students, both also 17 years old, came forward as victims after Fichter was arrested." << lol assholes 1187106;1436011978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00050978 = 19.0658 BTC [-] 1187107;1436012071;punkman;http://myfox8.com/2015/04/10/teacher-accused-of-threesome-with-student-avoids-jail-time-posts-gleeful-pic-to-instagram/ 1187108;1436012072;assbot;Teacher, accused of threesome with student, avoids jail time; posts gleeful pic to Instagram | myfox8.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HD738B ) 1187109;1436012129;shinohai;22 years, srsly ? 1187110;1436012360;cazalla;tbh at 17 i think i would've been willing to do 22 years to fuck my english teacher 1187111;1436012405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8034 @ 0.00050978 = 4.0956 BTC [-] 1187112;1436012452;shinohai;I always wanted to fuck my math teacher. She was smokin' 1187113;1436012548;cazalla;now and then i've thought of the few teacher's aids that would come for a school term as part of their studies.. they were so young and pretty but would be old bags now 1187114;1436013198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58519 @ 0.00050549 = 29.5808 BTC [-] 1187115;1436014662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.0005057 = 7.3327 BTC [+] 1187116;1436015760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66800 @ 0.00050579 = 33.7868 BTC [+] {2} 1187117;1436018688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12091 @ 0.00051471 = 6.2234 BTC [+] {2} 1187118;1436018749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5909 @ 0.00052578 = 3.1068 BTC [+] {2} 1187119;1436018932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25303 @ 0.00050549 = 12.7904 BTC [-] 1187120;1436019054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11639 @ 0.00050549 = 5.8834 BTC [-] {2} 1187121;1436019115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32411 @ 0.000505 = 16.3676 BTC [-] 1187122;1436019420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.000505 = 36.158 BTC [-] 1187123;1436019786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.000505 = 5.555 BTC [-] 1187124;1436020369;punkman;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/04#l1435978998.0 1187125;1436020371;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXhgsV ) 1187126;1436020701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90650 @ 0.00050402 = 45.6894 BTC [-] {4} 1187127;1436021128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136900 @ 0.00052845 = 72.3448 BTC [+] {3} 1187128;1436022470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143014 @ 0.00050724 = 72.5424 BTC [-] {3} 1187129;1436022653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2732 @ 0.00053217 = 1.4539 BTC [+] 1187130;1436023048;asciilifeform;363408 1187131;1436023056;asciilifeform;my sync is almost at axe-time... 1187132;1436023141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00053628 = 10.8597 BTC [+] 1187133;1436023158;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186971 << aha 1187134;1436023158;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 07:21:18; mircea_popescu: but at any rate : setting the "nversion" to maxint has at least the important symbolic significance of saying "this is the last version". 1187135;1436023197;asciilifeform;and from general principle, there is no reason ~not~ to make life maximally difficult for the enemy if this costs us nothing 1187136;1436023622;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187074 << vMAXINT ! 1187137;1436023622;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 10:56:06; kakobrekla: so we are stuck on v3 now. 1187138;1436023648;asciilifeform;the buggers like to monkey with versioning? fine - let's nail their ears to their heads. 1187139;1436023794;asciilifeform;363673... almost there 1187140;1436023933;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186991 << nah, more practically, a few dozen MB (sha512 sums) 1187141;1436023933;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 07:33:02; mircea_popescu: and that's 40 gb's worth of magic number. 1187142;1436024061;asciilifeform;... and now i'm synced with mircea_popescu. 1187143;1436024336;shinohai;congrats, I am still about 167k or so 1187144;1436024342;shinohai;*267k 1187145;1436025337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00053628 = 10.2698 BTC [+] 1187146;1436025676;punkman;no-verifysig-skipping stator reached 169k, so I'm gonnna call this a success for now. 1187147;1436025716;asciilifeform;somebody last night had problem building stator: 1187148;1436025726;asciilifeform;i did learn that many linux distros lack 'realpath' 1187149;1436025729;asciilifeform;which is used in the script 1187150;1436025746;punkman;maybe we should add a .conf option that lets whoever really wants it to skip VerifySig between checkpoints 1187151;1436025756;asciilifeform;as temporary workaround, replace the realpath thing (whole right side of equal sign) with the absolute path of 'ourlibs' 1187152;1436025765;punkman;yeah that's what I did 1187153;1436025768;asciilifeform;aha neat. 1187154;1436025829;punkman;asciilifeform: what do you think about making no-verifysig-skip the default for next release? 1187155;1436025840;asciilifeform;can't think of any reason not to 1187156;1436025980;punkman;as it is 0.5.3.1/0.5.4 versions will accept blocks of version 1 and 2, allowing shitgnomes to induce forks. what's gonna happen with this? 1187157;1436026048;punkman;(can be combined with very-slow-to-verify block for bonus points) 1187158;1436026092;punkman;sig op parallelism would help in that regard 1187159;1436026130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00053639 = 4.8275 BTC [+] 1187160;1436026252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00053639 = 1.0621 BTC [+] 1187161;1436026284;danielpbarron;http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-program-discussion/1169541-2-police-detectives-house-cyber-crime-yesterday-post20514733.html >> They said tax information and records were continually being pulled. They kept asking me questions about bitcoin, blah blah blah. 1187162;1436026287;assbot; 2 police detectives showed up to my house for cyber crime yesterday. - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1UlYt3p ) 1187163;1436026388;mod6;my stator is @ 281k 1187164;1436026624;asciilifeform;'nd that they sell over 30k student emails for $20, which I had bought;' << l337 sp4mz0r ? 1187165;1436026645;phf;so stator builds and syncs on openbsd 5.6 i386 1187166;1436026647;phf;OpenBSD 5.6 GENERIC#274 i386; -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5.0M Jul 4 02:34 bitcoind; bitcoind: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1, for OpenBSD, statically linked, stripped 1187167;1436026667;asciilifeform;phf: you may be the first to achieve openbsd build! consider posting recipe 1187168;1436026668;phf;i had to make some minor changes http://paste.lisp.org/display/151074 1187169;1436026669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um06hx ) 1187170;1436026686;asciilifeform;neat! 1187171;1436026698;asciilifeform;send it to the ml ? 1187172;1436026713;phf;asciilifeform: it pretty much builds out of the box. the only tricky part is the " -Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" business 1187173;1436026753;phf;apparently gcc doesn't always include all the necessary pthread bits (not just openbsd but other unixes), which results in segfault on launch 1187174;1436026791;asciilifeform;good work phf 1187175;1436026791;punkman;30k student email list? I scraped like 5mil for leet sv startup last year. 1187176;1436026796;phf;asciilifeform: i have a small backlog of things i want to send to the list, i'll wrap it up sometime over the weekend 1187177;1436026879;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu i built stator on dulap just now. unchanged from public recipe other than the 'realpath' thing (mentioned earlier.) same process ought to work on your other centos boxes. it will run as a public node as soon as i shove a blockchain in there. 1187178;1436026879;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1187179;1436027012;asciilifeform;has anybody as of this moment received a block past 363734 from mircea_popescu's node ? 1187180;1436027083;punkman;heh "I shook hands with the man I did most of the talking with and they took off... I was a little shooken up but realized I made a big mistake! I forgot to shake the black police detective's hand... shit!!! " 1187181;1436027203;*;williamdunne has a mailing list of 13,000 bitcoiners 1187182;1436028064;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct... 1187183;1436028064;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1187184;1436028086;asciilifeform;the miners ~are~ zombies 1187185;1436028262;mod6;<+asciilifeform> phf: you may be the first to achieve openbsd build! consider posting recipe << please do! 1187186;1436028276;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu any of your nodes past 363734 at this time ? 1187187;1436028277;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1187188;1436028300;mod6;<+phf> apparently gcc doesn't always include all the necessary pthread bits (not just openbsd but other unixes), which results in segfault on launch << on my obsd 5.6 on x86-64 that's the same problem i kept running into; segfault at execution time. 1187189;1436028354;mod6;<+asciilifeform> has anybody as of this moment received a block past 363734 from mircea_popescu's node ? << im a day a way or so yet 1187190;1436028358;mod6;*away 1187191;1436028376;mod6;height=281810 1187192;1436028379;asciilifeform;mod6: i've been synced for ~1hour and it looks like it's firmly stuck there 1187193;1436028401;asciilifeform;(not a connectivity problem - i'm getting mempoolisms just fine) 1187194;1436028684;punkman;http://images1.backpage.com/imager/u/large/175386055/slide-three.jpg 1187195;1436028685;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKyr6b ) 1187196;1436028692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00053639 = 12.927 BTC [+] 1187197;1436028722;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, mine stops at 36 http://danielpbarron.com/invalid_chain.txt 1187198;1436028723;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKywXD ) 1187199;1436028739;danielpbarron;my 0.7.2 node is at height=363815 1187200;1436028784;mod6;thx for posting dpb 1187201;1436028795;danielpbarron;the one stuck at 36 is not limited to one seed, but it is running 0.5.3.1ish on a pogo with archlinux 1187202;1436029126;danielpbarron;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1108304.0 >> F2Pool is building on a wrong side and there is fake confirmation since block 363731. (EDIT: the bogus chain of 363731 is already orphaned and not relevant to normal users) 1187203;1436029128;assbot;Blockchain split of 4 July 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKzxPt ) 1187204;1436029412;*;asciilifeform out to meatspace for most of the remaining day 1187205;1436029486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00053732 = 2.2567 BTC [+] 1187206;1436029546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203404 @ 0.0005391 = 109.6551 BTC [+] {4} 1187207;1436029711;trinque;I am seeing a bunch of ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() in my stator run 1187208;1436029894;punkman;trinque: what does it say after "AcceptToMemoryPool()" 1187209;1436029983;williamdunne;http://www.followingthetrend.com/2015/06/a-random-ass-kicking-of-wall-street/ 1187210;1436029985;assbot;A Random Ass Kicking of Wall Street | Following the Trend ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKBFH4 ) 1187211;1436030058;williamdunne;PRNGs selecting 50 random stocks each month from S&P 500 vs S&P 500 index: 1187212;1436030058;williamdunne;http://www.followingthetrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Figure-15-1-Benchmarking-Randomness.png 1187213;1436030060;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKBNX2 ) 1187214;1436030085;trinque;punkman: http://dpaste.com/2M49VAC.txt 1187215;1436030086;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKBSdf ) 1187216;1436030475;trinque;williamdunne: I tend to take stock market prices as inflation indicators these days 1187217;1436030495;trinque;I'm sure they used to mean something else, but we're in bizarro land where the length of a meter changes day to day 1187218;1436030573;williamdunne;I'm not going to disagree with you completely, but I do still believe that S&P500 beats inflation by a couple of percent 1187219;1436030584;williamdunne;Which still leaves room over official rates 1187220;1436030598;trinque;yeah, I'm being hyperbolic 1187221;1436030639;trinque;well, matters how you measure inflation too 1187222;1436030650;*;trinque wanders in search of coffee 1187223;1436030664;williamdunne;True, some things are deflationary too, dependent on how you measure 'em 1187224;1436030763;fluffypony;is that a post-coital penis joke? 1187225;1436030795;trinque;you have to measure inflation from the balls! 1187226;1436030949;punkman;trinque: I think that's to be expected with orphanage amputations. I have those and also plenty of "ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : nonstandard transaction type" 1187227;1436030958;trinque;ah ok 1187228;1436031072;williamdunne;fluffypony: Yes, well spotted 1187229;1436031094;williamdunne;trinque: I always measured from my asshole, am I doing something wrong? 1187230;1436031181;trinque;williamdunne: no one can tell you where your dick begins and ends... this is AMERICA! 1187231;1436031205;williamdunne;Wooo, now I get to brag about my 3 inch glory! 1187232;1436031498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00053612 = 10.6152 BTC [-] {2} 1187233;1436031603;danielpbarron;!up sergiohlb 1187234;1436031743;shinohai;Height=273952 :/ 1187235;1436031864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51717 @ 0.00054114 = 27.9861 BTC [+] {2} 1187236;1436031891;jurov;lol, that's actually true that dick continues deeper in the body 1187237;1436031891;mod6;shinohai: is that with your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE node? 1187238;1436031987;shinohai;@ mod6 yes, other one still not built yet 1187239;1436032134;mod6;ah ok thanks 1187240;1436032352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61337 @ 0.00054139 = 33.2072 BTC [+] 1187241;1436032886;williamdunne;jurov: Quite a bit further IIRC 1187242;1436033984;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186869 << it's not unlike my approach to Christianity -- most everyone already believes in the nice sounding bits, so why should I bother talking about them? I stick to the parts of the message that are not popular 1187243;1436033984;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 06:19:59; midnightmagic: Once everyone else started, you stopped. How come? 1187244;1436034365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.00054139 = 20.7623 BTC [+] 1187245;1436035219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36083 @ 0.00053589 = 19.3365 BTC [-] 1187246;1436035326;shinohai;@ danielpbarron I like table-flipping Jesus best. 1187247;1436036195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00054113 = 37.0945 BTC [+] {2} 1187248;1436036439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00054139 = 25.5536 BTC [+] 1187249;1436036596;trinque;shinohai: same 1187250;1436036599;trinque;with the whip iirc 1187251;1436037354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72200 @ 0.00054139 = 39.0884 BTC [+] 1187252;1436038208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00054147 = 16.4607 BTC [+] {2} 1187253;1436040082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the dispute was 730/736 1187254;1436040457;trinque;mircea_popescu: is your node down? 1187255;1436040460;trinque;getting connection refused 1187256;1436040479;mircea_popescu;ima look into it. 1187257;1436041014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00054188 = 18.5323 BTC [+] 1187258;1436041348;mircea_popescu;trinque i dun see anything 1187259;1436041420;punkman;^ works here 1187260;1436041444;trinque;I got connection refused starting at 07/04/15 20:02:12 UTC 1187261;1436041457;trinque;came back at 07/04/15 20:09:46 1187262;1436041462;*;trinque shrugs 1187263;1436041471;trinque;ass-goblins in the intertubes 1187264;1436041491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : "Reorg! 1187265;1436041491;mircea_popescu;Cut 6 start 000000000000000006a3 end 000000000000000013fe 1187266;1436041491;mircea_popescu;Add 7 start 000000000000000006a3 end 0000000000000000014e" 1187267;1436041499;mircea_popescu;they should. eventually. 1187268;1436041507;mircea_popescu;fork's only been actually resolved a few hours ago. 1187269;1436041783;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3c404r/shout_out_to_the_american_core_devs_that_are/ 1187270;1436041785;assbot;Shout out to the American Core Devs that are spending their 4th ensuring the health of the blockchain : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TcE1R7 ) 1187271;1436041800;trinque;pfff 1187272;1436041850;trinque;speaking of which, I'm adding the coverage flag to the deps too, and will regen that gcovr html thereafter 1187273;1436041893;trinque;I was surprised to find that bitcoin doesn't actually look that *big* compared to other C++ projects I've seen 1187274;1436041898;trinque;just... messy 1187275;1436041939;trinque;it'll be neat to see for example how much of boost or openssl is actually used 1187276;1436041949;trinque;might be able to just rip those bits off from the dep, then cut off the dep 1187277;1436041968;jurov;!s openssl monkeys 1187278;1436041969;assbot;1 results for 'openssl monkeys' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openssl+monkeys 1187279;1436041989;punkman;you can't cut off boost 1187280;1436041994;jurov;trinque and anyone other: mandatory reading 1187281;1436042002;trinque;jurov: hyper-lol 1187282;1436042007;trinque;punkman: whysat 1187283;1436042012;trinque;too interconnected? 1187284;1436042022;punkman;you'll just have to reimplement everything 1187285;1436042029;trinque;but what's "everything"? 1187286;1436042032;trinque;2% of boost? 1187287;1436042043;trinque;it'd be boost's interconnectedness that might prevent it, maybe 1187288;1436042067;trinque;anyhow this is what I wanna see with the gcov thing 1187289;1436042159;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-02-2015#1019971 1187290;1436042159;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2015 22:34:28; asciilifeform: 2) tearing out 'boost' while keeping the project in cpp will turn it into an unreadable morass of crud that makes the existing turd look like the finest sausage 1187291;1436042173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00054492 = 32.8042 BTC [+] {2} 1187292;1436042211;mircea_popescu;trinque, asciilifeform, wimc : if client fails to progress past 363736, the likely culprit is the db locks limit. look in derp.log (assuming standard derp) for "REORGANIZE\nREORGANIZE: Disconnect 6 blocks; 000000000000000006a3..000000000000000013fe\nREORGANIZE: Connect 7 blocks; 000000000000000006a3..0000000000000000014e\n\n\n************************\nEXCEPTION: 11DbException\nDb::get: Cannot allocate memory\nbitcoin i 1187293;1436042211;mircea_popescu;n ProcessMessage()\n\nProcessMessage(block, 947244 bytes) FAILED\n" which is the confirmation. then increase the number o' locks. 1187294;1436042232;trinque;k, ty 1187295;1436042242;mircea_popescu;alternatively, feed it the last few blocks through the mechanism discussed that alf created recently i guess. 1187296;1436042330;mircea_popescu; might be able to just rip those bits off from the dep, then cut off the dep <<< ahahaha you. 1187297;1436042394;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm about to see a nightmare when I pull the deps into the gcov thinger 1187298;1436042401;trinque;but bitcoin! it seems so simple! 1187299;1436042407;*;trinque shakes his head 1187300;1436042539;jurov;can gcov cope with templated function generated by macros? 1187301;1436042729;mod6;286k+ 1187302;1436042867;trinque;jurov: according to this you lose a lot of detail, i.e only get statistics for the line of the macro call http://codingfreak.blogspot.com/2009/02/gcov-analyzing-code-produced-with-gcc.html 1187303;1436042868;assbot;Gcov - analyzing code produced with GCC ~ Codingfreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPkDIz ) 1187304;1436042894;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186129 << a tape recorder is the one thing I forgot to bring (I had specifically prepared one for the event but forgot to pack it) -- the mere act of having such a device around free-staters would probably trigger them into a rage 1187305;1436042894;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 23:48:17; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184704 << dude you gotta wear a recording devince next and have someone transcribe it. 1187306;1436042926;trinque;danielpbarron: s-stop the surveillance! 1187307;1436043038;jurov;you can record with cellphone, no? 1187308;1436043059;jurov;or is removing battery mandatory at such meetings? 1187309;1436043148;mircea_popescu;incidentally, am i the only one finding it a wee bit suspicious that the orphan chain ended up 6 blocks long, ie, exactly the size normally deemed "safe" ? 1187310;1436043201;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you think there was a big transaction that got double-spent ? or... 1187311;1436043222;mircea_popescu;one could definitely have existed, on this basis. 1187312;1436043225;danielpbarron;jurov, by the time i can get my iphone out of pocket, unlocked, open the recording app, start recording.... the lunatic has already spouted off the gems worth recording 1187313;1436043231;pete_dushenski;what i can't figure out is why the hashrate didn't seem to split with the ph0rk... 1187314;1436043239;mircea_popescu;then again plenty of people do not even wait for one. 1187315;1436043256;jurov;pete_dushenski does anyone do such fine statistics? 1187316;1436043291;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186531 << the clients do seem to run into similar problems eh. 1187317;1436043291;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 04:15:35; ben_vulpes: simple rehash of the "let's probe network cohesion strength" fork 1187318;1436043311;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski 6 blocks wouldn't necessarily be visible. even three deep reorgs happen with some regularity naturally. 1187319;1436043370;pete_dushenski;jurov: perhaps not. 1187320;1436043458;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ok, but assuming those 6 invalid orphan blocks are off on their own, how is it that some sites (eg. bc.i) are reporting that this foundation of sand is still being built on ? 1187321;1436043483;mircea_popescu;are they ? i've not looked. 1187322;1436043516;pete_dushenski;bc.i is 1187323;1436043516;jurov;no it reports them as orphaned 1187324;1436043544;jurov;https://blockchain.info/blocks just the numbering is messed up 1187325;1436043545;assbot; Blocks mined on 04/07/2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXfKfp ) 1187326;1436043568;pete_dushenski;jurov: perhaps ima confoozed, but don't orphaned blocks have to be replaced with valid blocks in the main chain ? 1187327;1436043585;jurov;yes.. that's why i say numbers are messed up 1187328;1436043589;pete_dushenski;so the numbers are meaningless ? 1187329;1436043612;pete_dushenski;must be... 1187330;1436043618;mircea_popescu;here's what's the idea : after botching the soft fork, it seems illogical that the entire bip system should continue at all. 1187331;1436043630;mircea_popescu;these are people who have been so far causing nothing but problems for bitcoin. 1187332;1436043645;mircea_popescu;there can not be a single instance documented where they did anything useful to any degree or in any sense 1187333;1436043654;mircea_popescu;an abundance of instances can be documented where they fucked things up 1187334;1436043681;mircea_popescu;then they go on reddit to "explain" why what they fucked up isn't their fault, and "what really happened" , and collect cheap applause from the celenterates therein living. 1187335;1436043698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00054516 = 13.4655 BTC [+] 1187336;1436043707;*;pete_dushenski searches memory for instances of useful 'devs'... blank. 1187337;1436043714;mircea_popescu;this is EXACTLY how usg works throughout. first, cause black people to be poor and depenedent. then cause them to be violent. then go on press conferences about how "they're doing things about black violence" 1187338;1436043724;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 new build successful and now in sync ... 1187339;1436043724;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1187340;1436043725;mircea_popescu;right. splendid. how about go home and the problem goes away with you. 1187341;1436043742;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, BIP 999 : No more fucking BIPs. 1187342;1436043756;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: it's the broken window/car accident economy 1187343;1436043766;pete_dushenski;great for gdp. 1187344;1436043775;mircea_popescu;i do not see any gdp here. 1187345;1436043780;pete_dushenski;shitty for civilisation. 1187346;1436043806;mircea_popescu;for the unsubstantiated delusionsm of a few random geeks, working to make the world believe they're knowledgeable and important, bitcoin hiccups every so often. 1187347;1436044022;pete_dushenski;!gettrust travispatron 1187348;1436044022;assbot;travispatron is not registered in WoT. 1187349;1436044049;pete_dushenski;for when he does... 1187350;1436044125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170149 @ 0.00054549 = 92.8146 BTC [+] {4} 1187351;1436044135;pete_dushenski;;;later tell travispatron you sucked before, you suck now, and you will always suck. enjoy the periphery, derp. 1187352;1436044135;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1187353;1436044166;pete_dushenski;for posterity, because menahem's comment was beleeted once and it'll obviously happen again :https://archive.is/mKOij 1187354;1436044195;menahem;lulz 1187355;1436044371;jurov;pete_dushenski: looks like b.info is hopelessly stuck on showing only orphaned blocks 1187356;1436044388;jurov;http://btc.blockr.io/block/info/363736 vs. https://blockchain.info/block-height/363736 1187357;1436044389;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPnpNX ) 1187358;1436044391;assbot;Bitcoin Blocks At Height 363736 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPnpO1 ) 1187359;1436044425;jurov;(blockr is right) 1187360;1436044431;pete_dushenski;such vc funding... 1187361;1436044439;pete_dushenski;wait, who owns blockr again ? 1187362;1436044594;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> here's what's the idea : after botching the soft fork, it seems illogical that the entire bip system should continue at all. << Very much agreed. If someone wants to change something they should write to The Foundation's btc-dev mailing list and submit a patch. And if they can't because they're not in the WoT, well they're not in the WoT. They can make a personal appeal here in person. 1187363;1436044636;mircea_popescu;alternatively they could just shut down and stfu already. 1187364;1436044648;mod6;haha. yeah, that too. 1187365;1436044655;shinohai;lel 1187366;1436044662;mats;pete_dushenski: coinbase 1187367;1436044736;pete_dushenski;mats: aha thanks. just goes to show that there are shades of grey in the braindead morass of veecee moolah, not all are created equal. 1187368;1436044976;mircea_popescu;also lulzy for all the people using blockchain.info to validate txn. 1187369;1436045037;jurov;or b1ockchain.info or other similar derivatives 1187370;1436046017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58249 @ 0.00054577 = 31.7906 BTC [+] 1187371;1436046311;mircea_popescu;"wangchunLuke-Jr: I do not know how that v2 pool was relayed, log was lost in a screen session" 1187372;1436046317;mircea_popescu;this gotta be a... cultural thing. 1187373;1436046322;mats;le pgp key server almost done cooking 1187374;1436046365;mats;mircea_popescu: should i make it publicly available for auditing? 1187375;1436046396;mircea_popescu;mats of course. 1187376;1436046397;mats;or keep it in house; perhaps jurov or asciilifeform would be interested in doing it 1187377;1436046403;mats;alright 1187378;1436046407;mircea_popescu;consider sign and submit to list. 1187379;1436046534;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1187380;1436046551;mircea_popescu;apparently in the world we live in, the best way to ensure nobody reads something is to publish it as code anyway 1187381;1436046566;ascii_modem;so where are the pikes with the headz?? 1187382;1436046605;mircea_popescu;there is no physical punishment for being extremely ridiculous. 1187383;1436046624;ascii_modem;oh and no reorgs in my log 1187384;1436046629;mircea_popescu;there are some people that go around introducing themseves as "bitcoin devs" who just spectacularly failed the least controversial soft fork to date. 1187385;1436046633;mircea_popescu;this isn't washing 1187386;1436046669;mircea_popescu;but whatever, phantomcircuit is still the guy who ran "a security companmy" that oversaw 3 bitcoinica thefts, and still the guy who hacked a python one liner to send every customer an email with the full list of customer emails 1187387;1436046678;mircea_popescu;yet he's still walking around as if he were somehow still a person. 1187388;1436046694;mircea_popescu;the dead don't know they're dead ; the ridiculous don't know they're ridiculous. the world is well constructed for one's amusement. 1187389;1436046729;ascii_modem;the enemy accomplished his objective, which probably had something to do with discrediting chinese mines 1187390;1436046756;mircea_popescu;to pin objectives on brownian motion... 1187391;1436046765;mircea_popescu;"the enemy" is barely cogent enough to be enmitous at all. 1187392;1436046822;ascii_modem;not brownian - has very obvious aims (keeping turdalicious-bitcoind in circulation being one) 1187393;1436046849;mircea_popescu;i suspect this obviousness is a fruit of your eye, not of the thing you're lookling on. like people perceive souls in cats' eyes. 1187394;1436046866;mircea_popescu;just because you have one, and it's a very reflective surface, doesn't mean it has one too. 1187395;1436046870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00054735 = 13.848 BTC [+] 1187396;1436046930;mircea_popescu;neway, of more interesting things : confirmed my seeder's stuck on 363736. 1187397;1436046941;ascii_modem;aha 1187398;1436046952;ascii_modem;was when i last saw 1187399;1436047002;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem this is incidentally an exceptional opportunity to test our recent toolset. 1187400;1436047014;ascii_modem;hm? 1187401;1436047018;mircea_popescu;what happens if you import the 7 block alt-chain into the stator ? 1187402;1436047050;ascii_modem;innit in there now? or am i confused 1187403;1436047101;mircea_popescu;atm the situation is that block 363730 is forked. one chain, 6 blocks long, proceeds atop a v2 block. the current main chain proceeds from 363730 on v3 blocks. 1187404;1436047134;mircea_popescu;the difference between v3 and v2 is , as best anyone can determine, actual fucking validation for the openssl nonsense. hardly avoidable. 1187405;1436047161;mod6;!gettrust phf mod6 1187406;1436047161;assbot;Trust relationship from user phf to user mod6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=phf&to=mod6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mod6/ 1187407;1436047170;mircea_popescu;this, obviously, would also be where to bury who knows what. but if it's there, nobody's found it yet that i know 1187408;1436047184;ascii_modem;so evil wins? 1187409;1436047191;mircea_popescu;how so ? 1187410;1436047215;ascii_modem;we involuntarily backport a gavinism? 1187411;1436047236;mircea_popescu;how's it a gavinism to begin with ? 1187412;1436047251;ascii_modem;because not ours? 1187413;1436047263;mircea_popescu;lemme lay out the issue here in detail, i think it's mebbe getting fudged. 1187414;1436047314;mircea_popescu;so 1. it was observed that the idiots running openssl, who for historical reasons are actually wholesale pulled into bitcoin, decided to fuck up the way they do signatures, which is to say, make items signed come out in rnadom shapes. this is obviously very dangerous for bitcoin 1187415;1436047334;ascii_modem;aga i recall 1187416;1436047345;mircea_popescu;2. a voluntary, user-enforced change to the protocol was proposed (iirc by petertodd) where only DER sigs are accepted anymore. 1187417;1436047364;mircea_popescu;this is neither a bad idea nor in any sense avoidable. because, again, without it we'll fork daily. 1187418;1436047374;mircea_popescu;it'd have been ideal to not import the satoshism in question into bitcoin, but before our time. 1187419;1436047411;mircea_popescu;3. in order to avoid the situation that happened tonight, a supposed "voting" mechanism was deployed where people switched an irrelevant byte in the blocks they mined, to go from 2 to 3, to indicate they are ready and willing to follow the new rules. 1187420;1436047436;mircea_popescu;this, again, has nothing to do with us. if tomorrow miners decide as a social game to never communicate any blocks they find that hash to odd, it's THEIR problem 1187421;1436047438;ascii_modem;where were the daily forks b/w january (?) and now ? 1187422;1436047445;mircea_popescu;and we'll never see an odd hash block for as long as they keep at it. 1187423;1436047456;mircea_popescu;lemme finish 1187424;1436047512;mircea_popescu;4. the people who voted did so as all people voting ever do : blankly, mouth only. then, someone mined a v2 block on top of a v3 block (which to them look identical) and the supposed 95% majority that promised by that vote to distinguish failed to distinguish. well, half of them or so. the other half distinguished 1187425;1436047542;mircea_popescu;this utterly proves that a) the BIP system provides no benefit and should be disused ; b) the peoiple involved with all this nonsense should be muted ; c) voting does not work. nothing here is novel. 1187426;1436047562;mircea_popescu;none of this in any way invalidates anything about the new chain, nor is it a point of concern that i can distinguish 1187427;1436047572;mircea_popescu;done., 1187428;1436047641;ascii_modem;got plan? 1187429;1436047646;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem where were the daily forks b/w january (?) and now ? << costs a little to make one, nobody cared enough. (also lots of manual intervention and general ducttaping at the miner and relayer level - bitcoin is quickly becoming an excellent makework tool, keeping idiots both employed and in a delusion of importance) 1187430;1436047675;mircea_popescu;well, just let the chain reorg an' carry on, imo. 1187431;1436047691;mircea_popescu;i still don't see how it affects us / anything of concern. 1187432;1436047695;ascii_modem;where is my reorg? 1187433;1436047706;ascii_modem;my node is dead in the water 1187434;1436047709;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that the clients ain't reorging properly, which needs looking into/ 1187435;1436047783;mircea_popescu;which is why i said, perfect time to test our tools. 1187436;1436047791;ascii_modem;i saw no signs of blocks happening at all 1187437;1436047794;mircea_popescu;specifically, what happens if you put the new chain into a node 1187438;1436047805;mircea_popescu;well you're only looking at mine, and mine's not relaying. 1187439;1436047814;ascii_modem;ah 1187440;1436047836;mircea_popescu;which it's how it's made to work, better fail than be stupid. 1187441;1436047839;ascii_modem;gonna plug in the one on dulap when i get home 1187442;1436047859;mircea_popescu;now, since you're synced to my level, and you have a full validating node, i see no reason to not open the listen port. do you ? 1187443;1436047885;ascii_modem;open 1187444;1436047887;mircea_popescu;the original point of this thing i run here was to give all comers the historical chain as is in my custody. 1187445;1436047905;mircea_popescu;i do intend to replace it with a foundation one as soon as practicable. 1187446;1436047917;mircea_popescu;but for now it can stay as it is, because i think more people were syncing to it. 1187447;1436047952;mircea_popescu;im also going to have it unstuck, but i got a shitpile of stuff cooking atm. 1187448;1436047957;mircea_popescu;behind on reports and etc. 1187449;1436047971;ascii_modem;from your earlier pastes, mirceacoind has slightly spiffier debug...? than ri 1187450;1436047997;mircea_popescu;i dunno, mebbe 1187451;1436048006;mircea_popescu;i dun think i ever used the original. 1187452;1436048024;mircea_popescu;what's bitcoind debug toolset ? 1187453;1436048039;ascii_modem;just about nil 1187454;1436048048;ascii_modem;only the log 1187455;1436048049;mircea_popescu;then perforce ? 1187456;1436048070;ascii_modem;? 1187457;1436048072;trinque;ascii_modem: some lcov output for ya http://bot.deedbot.org/stator-lcov/ 1187458;1436048073;assbot;LCOV - coverage.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFihdx ) 1187459;1436048081;trinque;added the --coverage flag to all the deps 1187460;1436048083;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem anything will be spiffier than nil neh ? 1187461;1436048113;ascii_modem;trinque: neato - will read as soon as i'm not on street 1187462;1436048144;trinque;cool, just wanted to post the link 1187463;1436048208;ascii_modem;fellas, we gotta infer, divine, & reimplement mircea_popescu's mega-debugger 1187464;1436048240;mircea_popescu;i run a public company wut do you want from me, blood ? 1187465;1436048241;mircea_popescu;omaygerd 1187466;1436048300;ascii_modem;l0l 1187467;1436048348;mircea_popescu;anyway, i am very much amused at the way discussion with kakobrekla turned out. 600 hours "oh miners will just so and so " "nobody cares what miners do" ; 1800 "oh miners just so and so'd!!1" "and it turns out nobody cared". 1187468;1436048380;mircea_popescu;so what, is "95% consensus" going to gavincoin next ? for ... all of six blocks again ? cool. 1187469;1436048414;thestringpuller;!up ascii_modem 1187470;1436048458;ascii_modem;picture if we had pogos deployed 1187471;1436048467;mircea_popescu;wouldn't have changed anything. 1187472;1436048469;thestringpuller;d00d i can't spend shit this weekend. 1187473;1436048480;thestringpuller;"We need 20 confirms sorry" 1187474;1436048481;ascii_modem;how many other ways for fuckers to wedge us 1187475;1436048493;mircea_popescu;oh oh. 1187476;1436048496;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1187477;1436048517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142438 @ 0.00054539 = 77.6843 BTC [-] {2} 1187478;1436048517;mircea_popescu;this is a major problem, and the fact we're looking into it one of the few things giving me solace and better rest at night 1187479;1436048557;ascii_modem;this incident makes it very tempting to just unzip, piss on satoshid, and go ada sanityfork (tm) 1187480;1436048575;mircea_popescu;gotta make the fambly unit work alfie. 1187481;1436048591;ascii_modem;? 1187482;1436048620;mircea_popescu;i know she's stupid and fat and you want a divorce, but... 1187483;1436048625;mircea_popescu;gotta make the fambly unit work. 1187484;1436048638;ascii_modem;right now we got an anthill in the living room 1187485;1436048656;mircea_popescu;and you don't even know about the used condoms behind the bed headboard 1187486;1436048663;ascii_modem;there are different schools of thought re how to furnish a room 1187487;1436048669;punkman;I think we need to put a lot more comments on the code, kinda clunky to do through patches to ML though 1187488;1436048674;ascii_modem;but none include anthill 1187489;1436048676;thestringpuller;you married alf? 1187490;1436048695;mircea_popescu;punkman you can resubmit it commented. 1187491;1436048711;mircea_popescu;an' signed, an' people will prolly prefer referencing yours unless it's dumb 1187492;1436048724;mircea_popescu;in which case they'll prolly change it rather than start from the original. unles it's VERY dumb. 1187493;1436048738;mircea_popescu;which sort of reorg apparentyly happens, or used to happen, a whole lot. 1187494;1436048822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00054068 = 24.8172 BTC [-] 1187495;1436048831;ascii_modem;so far i'm not sure any of you apprehend just what a steaming turd the thing is 1187496;1436048872;punkman;in other news, ATMs getting ddos'd even at 1am. rejects transaction, spits out card, and you gotta start over. perhaps intentional rate-limiting. 1187497;1436048886;ascii_modem;where? 1187498;1436048905;mircea_popescu;he's in greece. 1187499;1436048911;mircea_popescu;anyway, the main sufferance in my head atm is that reading the chinese stuff (in translation) clarifies in my head an objection that may well be a second major flaw to the protocol, after the "relay nodes gotta do it for the glory" : its altogether unclear a purely financial incentive is the correct solution for miners. 1187500;1436048912;ascii_modem;ah! 1187501;1436048929;ascii_modem;^^^^ 1187502;1436048931;mircea_popescu;specifically : atm there is an arbitrage open, where you can either make money by "brute forcing" it ie hashing, 1187503;1436048960;mircea_popescu;or else by fucking up other people's miners. i ordered a listing of "all the ways you could exploit a miner with crafted comms for a hash advantage" 1187504;1436048969;mircea_popescu;the process hasn't returned yet, the list is already hundreds of entries long 1187505;1436048979;mircea_popescu;most only apply to specific implementationms etc, but! fuck me... 1187506;1436048982;ascii_modem;this is the exam thread all over again 1187507;1436048995;mircea_popescu;it pays more as a pool operator to be into skulldugery than into running your pool 1187508;1436049000;ascii_modem;where 'exams optimize for examsmanship' 1187509;1436049008;mircea_popescu;ipso facto "running pool" ===== "nefariousness in layers" 1187510;1436049034;mircea_popescu;sure, people don't do it yet. mostly because lazy, 2nd mostly because stupid, 3rd mostly because it's not even txn time yet. 1187511;1436049063;mircea_popescu;but when that begins all this may fucking collapse under the weight of... if money's the incentive to mine mining will not exactly allign with "securing the network" 1187512;1436049094;mircea_popescu;(txn time = when most miner revenue comes from block txn) 1187513;1436049116;ascii_modem;the mire scant the crumbs, the bloodier the crumbfight 1187514;1436049116;scoopbot_revived;Bitcoin's 4th of July : INDEPENDENCE FROM AMERICA DAY http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/04/bitcoins-4th-of-july-independence-from-america-day/ 1187515;1436049134;mircea_popescu;lol 1187516;1436049135;ascii_modem;*more 1187517;1436049159;pete_dushenski;^my modest post-mortem, perhaps early... 1187518;1436049162;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem more specifically put : currently everyone is mining with a "god given" known tx of 25 btc + whatever they pick off the ground. 1187519;1436049178;mircea_popescu;tomorrow, they will not KNOW immediately through act of god where that 25 btc comes from 1187520;1436049226;ascii_modem;12.5... 1187521;1436049258;mircea_popescu;atm 99.x% of income comes through this immediate, sent-from-heaven-above channel 1187522;1436049274;mircea_popescu;if as much as 66% comes that way and the other 33% has to be found out about... o baby. 1187523;1436049292;mircea_popescu;hard to convey what the changes in dynamic such a thing brings. 1187524;1436049313;ascii_modem;also touches on the mempool thread 1187525;1436049321;mircea_popescu;really the % of income "just known" vs "information acquired" is the proper measure. 1187526;1436049339;mircea_popescu;atm the split is .999 - .001 or somesuch. this will change monotoniucall;y the other way 1187527;1436049342;ascii_modem;whole thing is mostly duct tape by weight 1187528;1436049440;punkman;"A blockchain that does not validate under 0.5.3 is an altcoin blockchain." << both forks were valid in 0.5.3, right? 1187529;1436049443;ascii_modem;so far there is no structure remotely enough to take up the weight if the duct tape is ripped out 1187530;1436049469;mircea_popescu;punkman right. hence all the "We don't give a shit" verbiage here. 1187531;1436049546;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't envisage as much as an inkling of a solution. just more stuff to worry about. 1187532;1436049583;ascii_modem;one one hand, i don't give a shit, yes. on the other, a human turd pressed a button, my nodes are halted, and there is no guarantee that they don't have a bottomless magazine of these 1187533;1436049588;mircea_popescu;but this situation is why im so cold on your ada idea. sure, you go put all the god damned effort into writing a fully correct, fully specified implementation oif an... broken idea. 1187534;1436049595;mircea_popescu;i like you too much for something liek that. 1187535;1436049615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00053931 = 31.0643 BTC [-] {3} 1187536;1436049619;ascii_modem;so invent correct idea ? 1187537;1436049626;mircea_popescu;until we know exactly wtf to do about relayers, about miners now, there is no point. the prototype's still prototypin'. 1187538;1436049634;mircea_popescu;dude, how about you actually get some data first omfg. 1187539;1436049653;mircea_popescu;yea, i get it, may mean that this makes your fate be to muddle in the dirt, piling up data for your kid, who maybe might do it. 1187540;1436049663;mircea_popescu;fuck you, your grandparents were farmers. it's how this fucking world works. 1187541;1436049664;ascii_modem;would really help to have a fucking reasonable platform for this 1187542;1436049685;mircea_popescu;yes. it would really help. 1187543;1436049699;ascii_modem;that means not hairball 1187544;1436049705;mircea_popescu;no, i know. 1187545;1436049798;ascii_modem;actually ~my~ grandparents were approx. what i am now, l0l 1187546;1436049816;ascii_modem;the male ones at least 1187547;1436049842;ascii_modem;but farming is tempting, yes 1187548;1436049862;punkman;"Chrome extension "BitcoinWisdom Ads Remover" by MasterX will change your btce deposit address after page is loaded. Do not use this app or remove it if you installed." 1187549;1436049887;punkman;surprised we aren't seeing more of these 1187550;1436049893;ascii_modem;run moar chromedowz!! 1187551;1436049897;punkman;farming is tempting? 1187552;1436049908;ascii_modem;compared to c++ 1187553;1436049923;punkman;wait until you try to debug plants 1187554;1436049929;trinque;or a cow's arse 1187555;1436049978;ascii_modem;bbl 1187556;1436050148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just sayin, humanity was built by originally trudging the muck with no tools. 1187557;1436050160;mircea_popescu;there is no reason to expect any better in this new field. it is, after all, a field. 1187558;1436050176;mircea_popescu;and yes, most men died before seeing the thing they were working for. historically, to date. 1187559;1436050182;mircea_popescu;there's no reason to expect etc etc. 1187560;1436050248;mircea_popescu; wait until you try to debug plants << he has a point there. tho in fairness iirc alf debugged mice at some point. 1187561;1436050322;*;mircea_popescu is mildly impressed at alf's lineage in any case. my grandparents were teachers and whatnot, but great-grandparents deifnitely farmers. 1187562;1436050359;punkman;I get very frustrated at things like "o hey we've sprayed 12 different solutions at it and the damn lemon tree still has fungus" 1187563;1436050363;mircea_popescu;not really *that* far off 1187564;1436050417;mircea_popescu;punkman i had problems with, "artichoke does so well here, it actually STAYED GREEN THROUGH WINTER, suppoirting an inch of snow on its upturned broad leaves. meanwhile, magnolia sapplings grow < 1inch per year and will never flower" 1187565;1436050445;mircea_popescu;the town was fully of blooming magnolias and i never saw a single artichoke plant outside of my garden 1187566;1436050613;punkman;for a short time I believed in the mythical farmer that actually knows what he's doing. But after watching the experts debug these things, my only conclusion is they sometimes get lucky and that's the best I could hope for. 1187567;1436050643;punkman;maybe they got better corn science over in the US, dunno. 1187568;1436050644;mircea_popescu;just like coders. 1187569;1436050662;mircea_popescu;yeah, if you agree to make unedible crud you may have better control. 1187570;1436050688;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187199 << whoops. My 0.5.3.1ish pogo node is the one that is fully synched after today's craziness; it's my 0.7.2 node that is currently stuck.. 1187571;1436050688;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:52:19; danielpbarron: my 0.7.2 node is at height=363815 1187572;1436050710;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron are yuou up to date ? what's lastblock ? 1187573;1436050721;danielpbarron;height=363856 1187574;1436050721;punkman;I tried heirloom tomatos for a bit. I now know why everyone's using the same boring/bland strain. 1187575;1436050738;mircea_popescu;yeah that' right 1187576;1436050744;mircea_popescu;consider pubnlishing ip if not done so already 1187577;1436050760;danielpbarron;i don't have port forwarded to that machine 1187578;1436050761;mircea_popescu;punkman meanwhile hanbot used to grow cherry tomatoes on her windowsill. 1187579;1436050769;mircea_popescu;like... half pount per six inch tall plant 1187580;1436050931;danielpbarron;aha my isp provided modem/router is working again. will have ip in a moment 1187581;1436050952;danielpbarron;(previously forwarded all ports to one DMZ machine) 1187582;1436050993;hanbot;oh yeah, those windowtomatoes were great. 1187583;1436051009;mod6;<+danielpbarron> height=363856 << your v0.5.3.1ish node has this height? 1187584;1436051026;mircea_popescu;hanbot it still seems thermodynamically impossible. 1187585;1436051038;mircea_popescu;a two ounce leaf can not carry a twelve ounce load! 1187586;1436051059;mircea_popescu;mod6 the blockchain is not compromised. 1187587;1436051064;hanbot;you don't understand the way the windowmato works. 1187588;1436051074;mircea_popescu;just some nodes have trouble unsticking, which as i said above, great place to test our new block manip tools etc. 1187589;1436051084;danielpbarron;mod6, yes 1187590;1436051086;mod6;yeah, read that. 1187591;1436051104;mod6;mp, you're right, should test the new dump/eat tools with the orphan blocks 1187592;1436051115;mod6;see what happens. 1187593;1436051119;mircea_popescu;i still dunno why they do it. i've not yet managed to unstick a stuck one from last night 1187594;1436051120;mod6;danielpbarron: great! thanks 1187595;1436051141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.0005447 = 43.576 BTC [+] {2} 1187596;1436051154;mircea_popescu;superficially it seemed reorg blocks like it did in 2013, but maybe deeper than that. have not yet gone too deep into 1187597;1436051155;punkman;we need something that stores these forks for inspection and replaying. I think ben_vulpes had a thread about that 1187598;1436051169;mircea_popescu;punkman well now we have it! alf wrote the shitblock! 1187599;1436051198;mircea_popescu;this is exactly the sortt of situation the entire deterministic thing he was crowing about is meant for. 1187600;1436051213;mircea_popescu;which, in terms of parachutes.. .you gotta admit... perfect timing 1187601;1436051225;danielpbarron;71.232.150.212 port 8139 is a fully synched 0.5.3.1~ node 1187602;1436051233;mircea_popescu;almost as if someone was holding off hitting the muppets over the head with a 2x4 until b-a crowd had its ducks lined 1187603;1436051239;punkman;yeah but after reorg it throws the things away right? you'd have to shitblock at just the right time 1187604;1436051241;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187574 <<< never had a problem with them down under.. 4-5 day heat wave is the only thing that fucked my tomatoes 2 seasons ago 1187605;1436051241;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 22:58:41; punkman: I tried heirloom tomatos for a bit. I now know why everyone's using the same boring/bland strain. 1187606;1436051250;mircea_popescu;punkman which is why im keeping stuck nodes. 1187607;1436051262;mircea_popescu;the one i originally advertised for instance. 1187608;1436051271;punkman;cazalla: I fucked the up with too much sunlight many times. 1187609;1436051276;mircea_popescu;cazalla did you spray water ? 1187610;1436051335;cazalla;mircea_popescu, nope, good water in the evening and morning but the 4-5 days of 40-44 degree heat toppled em 1187611;1436051350;mircea_popescu;people in heatwave places have these fine nozzles 1187612;1436051365;mircea_popescu;a gallon of water makes half hour's mist, protects the plant if there's any air draft at all 1187613;1436051374;mircea_popescu;otherwise, stews it. which... 1187614;1436051505;cazalla;might've been the uv damage that killed em, i don't really know other than summer 2013 provide no tomatos 1187615;1436051506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00054735 = 9.7428 BTC [+] 1187616;1436051649;cazalla;thinking about making some tomato wine this coming summer but from what i've read, it isn't that nice 1187617;1436051679;ben_vulpes; alright << i'd love a read 1187618;1436051747;punkman;cazalla: might as well get some grapes 1187619;1436051815;cazalla;unfortunately i don't really have a place suitable for a few vines 1187620;1436051890;punkman;cazalla, you can grow a tall vine and have it hang from a pergola type thing 1187621;1436051908;mod6;phf: hey, i was able to apply your patch for OpenBSD onto stator, but I hit this problem after boost compiled: http://dpaste.com/0WRAK16.txt any thoughts? 1187622;1436051909;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0zgki ) 1187623;1436051949;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187419 << this was *so* stupid. 1187624;1436051949;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 22:03:31; mircea_popescu: 3. in order to avoid the situation that happened tonight, a supposed "voting" mechanism was deployed where people switched an irrelevant byte in the blocks they mined, to go from 2 to 3, to indicate they are ready and willing to follow the new rules. 1187625;1436051995;cazalla;punkman, no pergola but we have a clothesline i could commandeer but doubt the missus would like that heh 1187626;1436051996;scoopbot_revived;MPEx (S.MPOE) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-june-2015-statement/ 1187627;1436052036;punkman;cazalla: makes for a nice shade too, http://st.houzz.com/simgs/14316d7f0d69c5f6_4-2255/traditional-landscape.jpg 1187628;1436052060;cazalla;punkman, that's lovely, just wish i had the room :\ 1187629;1436052061;punkman;used to have one of these on 2nd floor roof, vine roots at ground floor 1187630;1436052106;punkman;shade's good for the bunnies too, such synergy 1187631;1436052160;cazalla;punkman, killed em off a while ago, might take em up again once i own a larger block of land 1187632;1436052421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165384 @ 0.00053421 = 88.3498 BTC [-] {3} 1187633;1436052498;punkman;https://twitter.com/_joac/status/617152001504378880 1187634;1436052518;punkman;"Después de encontrar una vulnerabilidad grave en el sistema de voto electrónico a #MSA estan allanando mi casa, los de delitos informaticos." 1187635;1436052531;punkman;(in argentina) 1187636;1436052787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57908 @ 0.00053236 = 30.8279 BTC [-] 1187637;1436052864;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187606 << thank you! very cool. 1187638;1436052864;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 23:07:30; mircea_popescu: punkman which is why im keeping stuck nodes. 1187639;1436052909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8306 @ 0.00053236 = 4.4218 BTC [-] 1187640;1436052947;gernika;For any interested: using phf's patch with a few mods for amd64 I have successfully built stator on OpenBSD. 1187641;1436052954;gernika;It is syncing 1187642;1436052973;punkman;gernika: cool 1187643;1436052978;ben_vulpes;so's this phr0k the nail in 20mb blocks' coffin? 1187644;1436053006;punkman;gernika, maybe write up your process/mods 1187645;1436053031;gernika;Will do. Need to sign up for the mailing list. 1187646;1436053039;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: "i sell bitcoins and bitcoin-backed derivatives" 1187647;1436053059;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes myeah. 1187648;1436053112;ben_vulpes;1mb's too big already. 1187649;1436053116;punkman;didn't need more nails 1187650;1436053118;ben_vulpes;how convenient! 1187651;1436053143;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: is now known as ben hill 1187652;1436053144;mircea_popescu; "Despus de encontrar una vulnerabilidad grave en el sistema de voto electrnico a #MSA estan allanando mi casa, los de delitos informaticos." << in case anyone else missed it, this country is mostly a parody. 1187653;1436053146;ben_vulpes;clearly you don't fight enough zombies 1187654;1436053152;mircea_popescu;gernika well done. 1187655;1436053156;mircea_popescu;!rated gernika 1187656;1436053156;assbot;You have not rated gernika. 1187657;1436053162;mircea_popescu;!rate gernika 1 New blood. 1187658;1436053162;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3cb6bf2132382215 1187659;1436053181;gernika;thanks mircea_popescu 1187660;1436053181;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gernika.1:eb318647a108e0be29f9865dd2fdfb67a3b866e012eab068bab5f31c1d2db831 1187661;1436053181;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gernika with note: New blood. 1187662;1436053181;ben_vulpes;wait gernika's new blood? 1187663;1436053188;mircea_popescu;is to me. 1187664;1436053215;mircea_popescu; gernika, maybe write up your process/mods << also a good idea. submit to mail list, now you can. 1187665;1436053240;punkman;he voiced himself, could post at ml already 1187666;1436053257;mircea_popescu;ah right. missed that. 1187667;1436053361;shinohai;@ ben_vulpes did you need anything important when you pinged me earlier? It was like 4 am here, so I missed it 1187668;1436053450;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: from whence this quote ? 1187669;1436053452;pete_dushenski;travis ? 1187670;1436053556;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187150 << i think this is a bad idea. 1187671;1436053556;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:02:26; punkman: maybe we should add a .conf option that lets whoever really wants it to skip VerifySig between checkpoints 1187672;1436053564;pete_dushenski;alas, some cabin and some party with some people beckon. a demain ! 1187673;1436053610;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187155 << this isn't the right aproach. can you think of any reason TO include it ? 1187674;1436053610;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:04:00; asciilifeform: can't think of any reason not to 1187675;1436053616;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185459 << i don't think this addresses collusion. 1187676;1436053616;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:17:00; ascii_field: and shamir for the original poker 1187677;1436053626;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187156 << how exactly would they do this ? by mining a block ? at this diff ? 1187678;1436053626;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:06:20; punkman: as it is 0.5.3.1/0.5.4 versions will accept blocks of version 1 and 2, allowing shitgnomes to induce forks. what's gonna happen with this? 1187679;1436053643;ben_vulpes;shinohai: wanted to know about your 0.5.3.1's behavior during the phr0k 1187680;1436053666;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski king of the hill: "i sell cars and car backed securities" 1187681;1436053667;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1187682;1436053669;shinohai;Oh it is still syncing 1187683;1436053672;punkman;mircea_popescu: well it costs 25btc, if they can doublespend more than that somewhere... 1187684;1436053735;mircea_popescu;if that costs 25btc then any chip alf wants costs ~50 cents 1187685;1436053738;mircea_popescu;cause that's "what chips cost" 1187686;1436053778;punkman;yeah that was stupid, never mind 1187687;1436053789;mircea_popescu;im not saying it's not possible, obviously. 1187688;1436053791;punkman;but still, any derpy miner can do this 1187689;1436053829;mircea_popescu;best i can discern, this is not only legitimate, but will be the ultimate end situaiton 1187690;1436053838;mircea_popescu;one day, someone WILL mine a version 1 block that WILL stick. 1187691;1436053852;mircea_popescu;the current power ranger derpitude is like america. 1187692;1436053861;mircea_popescu;"for as long as gargle lasts" 1187693;1436053895;ben_vulpes;eh, alf may actually get to the ada impl before a block v1 sticks again. 1187694;1436053924;mircea_popescu;he might. 1187695;1436053925;mircea_popescu;or he might not. 1187696;1436053928;mircea_popescu;management's about doors. 1187697;1436053982;ben_vulpes;howso? 1187698;1436053998;mircea_popescu;"I shook hands with the man I did most of the talking with and they took off... I was a little shooken up but realized I made a big mistake! I forgot to shake the black police detective's hand... shit!!!" 1187699;1436054004;mircea_popescu;heh. these people... adult infants i swear. 1187700;1436054009;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not a very good q. 1187701;1436054080;ben_vulpes;d'you mean that management is about "you may do XXX but not YYY" when you say "doors"? 1187702;1436054118;mircea_popescu;no, i mean, sure, maybe x will happen. but then again maybe x won't. 1187703;1436054120;mircea_popescu;like so : 1187704;1436054210;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/old-story/#selection-665.1-665.37 1187705;1436054211;assbot;Old story on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEzPWy ) 1187706;1436054295;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185611 << i keep a git repo on disk, i think someone else has one of these running in public as well 1187707;1436054295;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:21:32; mod6: I will work on a patch list and maybe a script later this month. It is a bit hard to follow. 1187708;1436054349;punkman;https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/commits/thermonuke 1187709;1436054350;assbot;Commits · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDVz4L ) 1187710;1436054354;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin << i keep the patches in their own directory 1187711;1436054355;assbot;extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDVzlg ) 1187712;1436054361;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187175 << there is a world under the ground we know little about. 1187713;1436054361;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:19:51; punkman: 30k student email list? I scraped like 5mil for leet sv startup last year. 1187714;1436054440;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187182 << add lying schmucks to a degree not experienced since kindergarten on pirate island. the f2pool admin's explanation is "we got the bad block from antpool, who we don't know how they got because they told us they only follow us" 1187715;1436054440;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct... 1187716;1436054463;mircea_popescu;because yes, we're fucktarded enough to not notice what's proposed here is a closed f2pool - antpool loop. they're over there in their own parallel universe. 1187717;1436054477;mircea_popescu;i dunno when it became fashionable to be infantile, but i'm getting pretty sick of it. 1187718;1436054559;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187220 << so are they :D 1187719;1436054559;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 17:23:18; trinque: yeah, I'm being hyperbolic 1187720;1436054614;ben_vulpes;ohai punkman 1187721;1436054737;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185652 << i really gotta post ak47.sh to the ml 1187722;1436054737;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:49:35; shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD 1187723;1436054784;mircea_popescu;"Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining had explicitly indicated that they would enforce the BIP66 rules. By not doing so, several large miners have lost over $50,000 dollars worth of mining income so far." 1187724;1436054796;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the inept spin they published, why the fuck are we pricing things in dollars. 1187725;1436054798;shinohai;I finally got it set up correctly this evening, it pays to look at things when you aren't fantastically drunk 1187726;1436054804;mircea_popescu;have the decency to use zimbabwe pula or something 1187727;1436055063;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185677 << ediff :P 1187728;1436055063;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:56:42; trinque: could refine that to "and then presents me a buffer of the diff" 1187729;1436055077;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185238 << lol asciilifeform check out how studious this guy is 1187730;1436055077;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 15:30:34; scoopbot_revived: Hits and misses of Ted "The Unabomber" Kaczynski. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/ 1187731;1436055124;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185240 << where the fuck was "blasphemy" ever illegal. 1187732;1436055124;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 15:44:14; assbot: Iceland makes blasphemy legal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMCDq ) 1187733;1436055130;mircea_popescu;dude i grew up sheltered in communist romania. 1187734;1436055175;williamdunne;How old are you MP? 1187735;1436055205;mircea_popescu;bout 35 1187736;1436055242;williamdunne;Oh that makes sense. 1187737;1436055248;williamdunne;Lovely potato monument celebrating it 1187738;1436055269;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1187739;1436055305;williamdunne;The revolutionary potato 1187740;1436055306;williamdunne;http://www.bucharestdailyphoto.com/photos/2009/09/IMG_9113.JPG 1187741;1436055307;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEB48g ) 1187742;1436055307;shinohai;>mfw I see a guy named "popescu" on the fbi wanted list. 1187743;1436055336;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185320 << incidentally, twelve generations of peasants died in a pool of their own blood to get ownership over the fucking tools, as a precursor to over the land and eventually their life. 1187744;1436055337;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 17:45:53; pete_dushenski: punkman: ah yes, how farmers don't own the tools of their trade. sad story, that. 1187745;1436055348;mircea_popescu;these idiots gave it all back because they gotta be jwz. 1187746;1436055385;mircea_popescu;no place on earth was ever such an openm insult to the human spirit as north america is these days. 1187747;1436055391;mircea_popescu;except, perhaps, for africa. again. 1187748;1436055444;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185329 << except cheaper to adapt the yard to the robot, as in all examination markets. so you get those round cultivated fields with a pillar in middle etc. 1187749;1436055444;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 17:48:44; decimation: actually I would pay good money for a robot that could wonder through a yard and pull weeds 1187750;1436055596;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185391 << they were, after all, jews 1187751;1436055596;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 17:57:51; ascii_field: this is amply described in the literature 1187752;1436055665;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185395 << ceausescu did exactly this. if police found you oin the street and you had no place of employment, you'd get a beating and get force-sent to either vocational prison-school if underage or work camp if overage. 1187753;1436055665;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 17:58:57; trinque: pete_dushenski: I had this notion regarding the bums all over portland, that someone should take them to nearby farms for day labor in exchange for meals, showers, and somewhere to be warehoused at night. 1187754;1436055697;mircea_popescu;this horrible trampling of rightrs and liberties resulted in a romania with absolutely no bums, and moreover, in the anedcodtic situation where i picked up a cab from the train station 1187755;1436055705;mircea_popescu;and the cab driver was looking at this bum laying down 1187756;1436055726;mircea_popescu;and he told me that he was an orphan, and that he got put by the commieus through the above grinder, and now he has a family and owns his car. 1187757;1436055735;mircea_popescu;and i agree it's a pity nobody cares enough to beat up that bum. 1187758;1436055739;mircea_popescu;so there we go. 1187759;1436055781;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185400 << he got you there you know. 1187760;1436055781;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:00:02; pete_dushenski: ascii_field: you buying a case of z80s or pogos is reallocating capital 1187761;1436055815;mircea_popescu;even not counting the nsa etc ; pogo is a capital good. 1187762;1436055841;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1187763;1436055892;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187759 << mno, capital (tm) shits money 1187764;1436055892;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 00:23:01; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185400 << he got you there you know. 1187765;1436055900;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185407 << plox to review the original discussion on the original list. http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.0-113.416 1187766;1436055900;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:04:12; funkenstein_: only in so much as farmers and homeowners accept their counterfeits 1187767;1436055901;assbot;Digging through archives yields gold on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEBNpS ) 1187768;1436055914;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem you're not going to redefine terms of art now, are you ? 1187769;1436055933;ascii_modem;iirc classic sense ? 1187770;1436055947;ascii_modem;i.e. my pants arent capital 1187771;1436055947;mircea_popescu;capital goods produce value. all there is to them. 1187772;1436055958;mircea_popescu;pogo is not your pants. 1187773;1436055991;mircea_popescu;as much as running your own server is controlling a capital good. not a very significant one, but that's a quantitative discussion 1187774;1436056034;mircea_popescu;arguably intelligence is similarly of a capital good, and you have enough control of it to, for instance, contribute here. other people do not have this luxury - for instance because they agreed some employer owns it all. 1187775;1436056037;mircea_popescu;so... no. 1187776;1436056046;ascii_modem;sorta like gravity. yes, sufficiently far from solar system, anyone can become a 'stellar body' if you shove him out airlock 1187777;1436056072;mircea_popescu;i thought you reasoned in categories. 1187778;1436056080;ascii_modem;aha 1187779;1436056082;mircea_popescu;what's this "quantity is the determinator of quality" approach then ? 1187780;1436056123;ascii_modem;original thread was re 'who is wageslave and who - capitalist' 1187781;1436056127;mircea_popescu;see ag3nt_zero, syllogism. reductio ad absurdum. present the op with a dilemma, so he can either explain what was misunderstood or correct what he misunderstood 1187782;1436056139;mircea_popescu;well sure, original thread. 1187783;1436056256;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185411 << they aren't always performing. most of them can't perform worth a shit. nevertheless, the sexual exploitation of women is an important element of mental health, including for the women in question, for women in general, for men in general... 1187784;1436056256;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:06:43; mats: BingoBoingo: 'There's no regulation', '... and it's really difficult to believe that the girls who were crying when they're being "raped" are always acting and performing' 1187785;1436056263;mircea_popescu;so i fully expect this to get "regulated". 1187786;1436056407;ascii_modem;pogo & the other junk is in different category than 'capital proper' in my mind because none of this stuff 'pays for itself' 1187787;1436056407;ascii_modem;as, e.g., fisherman's boat does 1187788;1436056418;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185445 << to hear him say it, he's like that beat up chimp in the experiments 1187789;1436056418;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:14:11; ascii_field: what family i've left is in it too 1187790;1436056432;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem so far seemingly phuctor does ? 1187791;1436056492;ascii_modem;it's a pet, apparently 1187792;1436056542;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185497 << what's the job mostly, looking at deep frozen pork bellies ? 1187793;1436056542;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:25:12; pete_dushenski: public health inspector :) 1187794;1436056571;ascii_modem;for those who don't know - mircea_popescu contributed the bix phuctor runs on 1187795;1436056587;ascii_modem;box 1187796;1436056589;mircea_popescu;comes out of nsa accts tho. eventually. 1187797;1436056594;ascii_modem;aha 1187798;1436056608;ascii_modem;so not clear how 'pays for self' 1187799;1436056615;mircea_popescu;thus ? 1187800;1436056627;ascii_modem;rather, running on battery like other things 1187801;1436056672;mircea_popescu;take the other side. i approved expenditure of ~7.5 btc on advertising as ceo of s.mg ; and of ~.25 (unreported, maybe next month i remember to put it in) on s.nsa. 1187802;1436056680;mircea_popescu;the roi for the first was 0, the roi for the 2nd not 0. 1187803;1436056685;mircea_popescu;how then, not "pay for self" ? 1187804;1436056830;ascii_modem;in other nyuz, i'm sitting under the megaphallus in washington, and blinking eye of sauron 1187805;1436056852;mircea_popescu;send our most heartfelt regards 1187806;1436056896;ascii_modem;traditional holiday here. and there is a spybot in the cloud. which is lulzy because there is a huge sign, 'no smoking'-style, with crossed-out chopper 1187807;1436056905;ascii_modem;'no droning' 1187808;1436057009;ascii_modem;pet saw it too, after i pointed where to look 1187809;1436057118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.0005477 = 15.1165 BTC [+] {2} 1187810;1436057118;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185519 << nowhere remarkable. why ? 1187811;1436057119;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 18:37:57; mats: ;;later tell dignork http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025687 << this ever go anywhere? 1187812;1436057259;mats;contemplating hiring someone to work on it but it appears dignork has made much progress 1187813;1436057276;mircea_popescu;eh, these hirign someone to work on things deals never work out. 1187814;1436057282;ascii_modem;shamir poker?!? 1187815;1436057335;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185643 << this works ? 1187816;1436057335;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:43:30; funkenstein_: "southern pride" spamming qntra in an effort to discredit the site methinks 1187817;1436057354;mats;yeah, ascii_modem 1187818;1436057365;mats;i'd ordinarily do all the work myself but carpal tunnel is a srs rate limiter 1187819;1436057410;ascii_modem;if kbd is your bottleneck, yerdoingitwrong 1187820;1436057434;punkman;all that scrolling takes a toll 1187821;1436057454;mats;probably. 1187822;1436057460;ascii_modem;ditto 1187823;1436057473;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185658 << this is not merely a difference of workflow, but a difference of philosophy. we are not interested in automation, we are interested in review and responsibility. the only concern that thing is adressing is that we find a critical bug tomorrow, i want to know who to negrate. 1187824;1436057473;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:51:29; phf: mod6: sorry, i wasn't really prepared to explain what i mean, i thought you would just grok the request as an obvious one. we probably just have very different workflows 1187825;1436057488;ascii_modem;if you have megatonne of code, yerdoingitwrong 1187826;1436057512;ascii_modem;i don't even care what domain 1187827;1436057522;punkman;I've never even learned to touchtype properly 1187828;1436057526;mircea_popescu;this follows in the wake of a few threads mostly brought to a head by the opnessl idiocies you might wish to review phf if you've not seen them before. 1187829;1436057539;ascii_modem;me neither 1187830;1436057544;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem harem, actually. "if you have a ton of babes, doing it wrong" 1187831;1436057547;mircea_popescu;(truth!) 1187832;1436057556;punkman;ascii_modem, oh good, thought it was just me 1187833;1436057565;mircea_popescu;i don't touch type either, not usually. 1187834;1436057589;williamdunne;How comes? 1187835;1436057589;ascii_modem;now i dont look at the buttonz, no 1187836;1436057590;mircea_popescu;touch typing is good if you're going to do straight typing for mintues at a time. i normally do not. i suppose you do not either, need a mouse, a this, a buffer, a that etc. 1187837;1436057620;mircea_popescu;most of the benefit of touch typing comes from not moving your "frame" above the kbd. 1187838;1436057637;mircea_popescu;hands on/hands off touch typing is nonsense. 1187839;1436057679;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem that's how i end up with stuff like ;; and xse in my history file :D 1187840;1436057733;williamdunne;The main issue I have with touch typing is occasionally my fingers landing in the wrong order or similar derpery 1187841;1436057800;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185688 << either that on a website-y thing or have an option for a new subscriber to get whole shebang ? 1187842;1436057800;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 20:01:45; jurov: i have nothing against publishing the mailbox 1187843;1436057856;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << this is a fact. 1187844;1436057856;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 20:06:15; ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd 1187845;1436058040;mircea_popescu;howlee sheit caught up on logs. 1187846;1436058054;mircea_popescu;monstrous task. 1187847;1436058078;punkman;lots of log forks 1187848;1436058127;mircea_popescu;lol 1187849;1436058448;williamdunne;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3c579i/yesterdays_fork_suggests_we_dont_need_a_blocksize/ 1187850;1436058449;assbot;Yesterday's fork suggests we don't need a blocksize limit : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFXckv ) 1187851;1436058453;williamdunne;Tardstalk citation 1187852;1436058649;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1187853;1436058657;mircea_popescu;how about it suggests we should stfu. 1187854;1436058735;williamdunne;burrnnnn 1187855;1436058765;williamdunne;The blocksizes at 1mb require broken mining, but bigger blocks will do... something 1187856;1436058766;williamdunne;Oh god 1187857;1436058770;williamdunne;my brain hurts 1187858;1436059066;punkman;I like this style of annotation http://underscorejs.org/docs/underscore.html 1187859;1436059067;assbot;underscore.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFXTdF ) 1187860;1436059395;trinque;punkman: probably a good format to annotate bitcoind 1187861;1436059404;punkman;https://github.com/brynbellomy/otis 1187862;1436059405;assbot;brynbellomy/otis · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFYhci ) 1187863;1436059410;punkman;if anyone wants to crank some js 1187864;1436059588;punkman;and a similar python thing, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyccoon/0.1.0 1187865;1436059590;assbot;pyccoon 0.1.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFYyM8 ) 1187866;1436059594;punkman;god there's a lot of these 1187867;1436059879;williamdunne;re: Brazillian currency rigging 1187868;1436059886;williamdunne;https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3c3ymy/fifteen_of_the_worlds_largest_banks_are_under/cssfbvs 1187869;1436059887;assbot;thats_bone comments on Fifteen of the world's largest banks are under investigation on suspicion of rigging the Brazilian currency, antitrust watchdog Cade said on Thursday, the first such probe in one of the busiest foreign exchange markets globally. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFYYSK ) 1187870;1436059887;williamdunne;>I think the punishment for trading currencies should include execution in certain cases. 1187871;1436059888;williamdunne;wut 1187872;1436059924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00054197 = 3.6041 BTC [-] 1187873;1436060411;williamdunne;Reddit is just a goldmine for retards 1187874;1436060413;williamdunne;https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3c3ymy/fifteen_of_the_worlds_largest_banks_are_under/css2ka0 1187875;1436060414;assbot;sovereign_citizen comments on Fifteen of the world's largest banks are under investigation on suspicion of rigging the Brazilian currency, antitrust watchdog Cade said on Thursday, the first such probe in one of the busiest foreign exchange markets globally. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFZDUn ) 1187876;1436060426;williamdunne;>Remember the Libor scandal and interest fixing cartel? 1187877;1436060426;williamdunne;>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scandal 1187878;1436060426;williamdunne;>That was massive and NO ONE WENT TO JAIL. No one will go to jail for this either unless there is massive protesting. I would like to see people attack bankers with as much fervor as they attack ISIS. Bankers are literally worse than ISIS. 1187879;1436060595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3587 @ 0.00054771 = 1.9646 BTC [+] 1187880;1436060865;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187182 < asciilifeform I recall a similar conversation we had > http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175692 1187881;1436060865;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct... 1187882;1436060865;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:44:07; decimation: knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind 1187883;1436061048;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187304 < why? it's not like their political positions are secret? 1187884;1436061048;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 20:48:14; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1186129 << a tape recorder is the one thing I forgot to bring (I had specifically prepared one for the event but forgot to pack it) -- the mere act of having such a device around free-staters would probably trigger them into a rage 1187885;1436061083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00054793 = 9.0408 BTC [+] {2} 1187886;1436061112;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187330 < amen. the 'cost' imposed by the version increment has hardly any benefit 1187887;1436061112;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 21:00:18; mircea_popescu: here's what's the idea : after botching the soft fork, it seems illogical that the entire bip system should continue at all. 1187888;1436061846;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187537 < yeah but meanwhile the shitgnomes dig deeper. surely there's a point where they muck things up? or perhaps there's nothing to be done about it. 1187889;1436061846;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 22:40:26; mircea_popescu: until we know exactly wtf to do about relayers, about miners now, there is no point. the prototype's still prototypin'. 1187890;1436062027;decimation;on the other hand, the shitgnomes are doing a great job at discrediting themselves 1187891;1436062839;mod6;292k+ 1187892;1436063038;decimation;asciilifeform: of mild interest from last night, apparently 'sipa' (Pieter Wuille) wrote a secp256k1 replacement library, apparently in attempt to ditch openssl https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1 1187893;1436063039;assbot;bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1gh7cnU ) 1187894;1436063058;decimation;he doesn't advertise it as complete or fully functional yet 1187895;1436063491;williamdunne;Meant to be notably faster too, no? 1187896;1436063498;decimation;yeah 1187897;1436063612;decimation;!up Vexual 1187898;1436063725;Vexual;ascii_modem might like a voice 1187899;1436063798;mircea_popescu;decimation the lib in question was discussed in log at the time too 1187900;1436063803;Vexual;perhaps it's just a succession of tunnels 1187901;1436063809;decimation;I looked for it 1187902;1436063831;mircea_popescu;it's the result of a for-profit venture of some sort, gmaxwell went on a reddit rampage explaining hopw they "found bugs" and how great the entire process is etc 1187903;1436063852;mircea_popescu;it wasn't that great or anything, but it doesn't have much competition either. 1187904;1436063893;mircea_popescu;obv bitcoin can't continue pulling in random code. this is an assault on sense, as far as we're concerned, and an assault on their turf as they perceive it, as far as the pr group is concerned. 1187905;1436063897;mircea_popescu;so yeah, check it out, agreement! 1187906;1436064025;decimation;now, as I pointed out with midnightmagic, it strikes me as backwards to develop a replacement before describing a spec 1187907;1436064090;mircea_popescu;more importantly there's doubts as to the suitability of the curve in question etc 1187908;1436064245;decimation;well, yeah that's a matter for a mathematiciansssss5 1187909;1436064262;decimation;stupid irissi 1187910;1436064323;Vexual;greeks can't count to ballotppaper 1187911;1436064335;decimation;!up asciilifeform 1187912;1436064337;decimation;doh 1187913;1436064343;decimation;!up ascii_modem 1187914;1436064365;mircea_popescu;!s libsecp256k1 from:mircea 1187915;1436064366;assbot;4 results for 'libsecp256k1 from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=libsecp256k1+from%3Amircea 1187916;1436064368;mircea_popescu;finally fouind it 1187917;1436064375;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: if could switch ecdsa curves, could as well have rsa! 1187918;1436064389;ascii_modem;ifwisheswerehorses 1187919;1436064421;ascii_modem;!s tinyecc 1187920;1436064421;assbot;0 results for 'tinyecc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tinyecc 1187921;1436064429;decimation;ah I was searching for "secp256k1" 1187922;1436064432;mircea_popescu;you'd have to pick something for your ada port. and there's not atm any way to pick. 1187923;1436064432;decimation;stupid stemmer 1187924;1436064444;mircea_popescu;if in a decade rsa is still as strong as today... 1187925;1436064451;decimation;yeah it seems like we are stuck with secp256k1 anyway 1187926;1436064453;ascii_modem;i'd pick my head 1187927;1436064453;mircea_popescu;imagine, forty years later, still stands. what else in computin ? 1187928;1436064461;mircea_popescu;your head can't be p2p 1187929;1436064505;mircea_popescu;neways, ima go play lalala 1187930;1436064517;ascii_modem;for ada port 1187931;1436064526;ascii_modem;it'd need no deps 1187932;1436064535;ascii_modem;but std compliant gcc 1187933;1436064547;ascii_modem;if done by honest people 1187934;1436064671;ascii_modem;plant it on bare metal. 1187935;1436064817;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8eJh4i8Lo mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000 << if it's a problem in block 168`001, i'm sure we hit this problem in february. but it should be resolved with openssl 1.0.1g. 1188038;1436074311;mod6;im looking for the exact txid we hit.. it's somewhere in the log im sure. 1188039;1436074332;mod6;you are using ssl 1.0.1g with stator right? 1188040;1436074457;gernika;mod6: I am indeed using 1.0.1g 1188041;1436074559;mod6;huh. this is the error we got, different txid and different error, but still, ~weird~: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007102 1188042;1436074597;mod6;bah: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007102 1188043;1436074597;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2015 00:36:21; mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 1188044;1436074668;mod6;speaking of compiling stator on openssl, i gave it a try today but hit this: http://dpaste.com/0WRAK16.txt 1188045;1436074670;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0zgki ) 1188046;1436074674;mod6;did you see the same? 1188047;1436074703;gernika;mod6: I'll check and make sure 1.0.1g was actually linked against tomorrow. I can say that it was built and copied to ./ourlibs. 1188048;1436074739;mod6;ok 1188049;1436074770;mod6;oh i just solved my own problem. derp. 1188050;1436074781;mod6;openbsd requires gmake to be in the stator.sh, not make. 1188051;1436074862;gernika;mod6: yeah I ran into that. Put it in my patch to stator.sh. Still need to go through the process of signing everything. 1188052;1436074871;mod6;no prob, thanks! 1188053;1436074871;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mmmyeah 1188054;1436074875;mod6;cc1plus: out of memory allocating 46376 bytes after a total of 0 bytes << lol 1188055;1436074889;mircea_popescu;mod6 dump the block ? 1188056;1436074913;gernika;mod6: had to run as root to get around openbsd memory limits on normal user accounts. There are other ways. 1188057;1436074927;mod6;mircea_popescu: (this is compiling stator on openbsd) 1188058;1436074946;mod6;gernika: yeah, just did `su`... 1188059;1436074969;mircea_popescu;mod6 i recall you were plagued by this 168k blessing 1188060;1436074971;mircea_popescu;before 1188061;1436075028;mod6;stator on openbsd did build, yet this: http://dpaste.com/0S8R7Z1.txt 1188062;1436075029;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2QimN ) 1188063;1436075102;mod6;here's the linking bit: http://dpaste.com/0AYS9MB.txt 1188064;1436075103;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2Qum4 ) 1188065;1436075134;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, we totally were. but it seems this time its a different error and a different txid! 1188066;1436075159;mircea_popescu;the lulz and the win of our times ;/ 1188067;1436075170;gernika;mod6: "There is no dynamic segment in this file." when I run the above command 1188068;1436075177;mod6;gernika: it might be helpful to patch in the dump block so we can examine your block(s) 168`000 & 168`001 and see what's going on there. 1188069;1436075196;mod6;gernika: hmm. weird. i might hvae screwed something up in there. 1188070;1436075199;gernika;k. will see if I can dig them up on the mailing list 1188071;1436075213;gernika;got to hit the hay 1188072;1436075274;mod6;yeah me too. 1188073;1436075283;mod6;i'll try again with obsd again tomorrow. 1188074;1436075334;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> the lulz and the win of our times ;/ << aint this the truth 1188075;1436075340;mircea_popescu;http://blog.ircmaxell.com/2015/03/security-issue-combining-bcrypt-with.html << this is pretty great 1188076;1436075341;assbot;ircmaxell's blog: Security Issue: Combining Bcrypt With Other Hash Functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2RdUm ) 1188077;1436075385;mircea_popescu;(via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr ) 1188078;1436075386;assbot;fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2Rnv7 ) 1188079;1436076295;mircea_popescu;(via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr ) 1188080;1436076296;assbot;fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2U5k7 ) 1188081;1436077798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00054293 = 9.8813 BTC [-] 1188082;1436079236;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/954a367723261183ce9a87f4c0eeb41b/tumblr_mkyovcTihG1s5vfv7o1_1280.jpg 1188083;1436079238;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZgY3I ) 1188084;1436079864;mircea_popescu;"20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait." 1188085;1436079879;mircea_popescu;quite. being a libertard is very much a SEXUAL behaviour. 1188086;1436079883;mircea_popescu;essentially onanism gone wild. 1188087;1436082007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054627 = 16.0603 BTC [+] {2} 1188088;1436082619;mircea_popescu;jurov 8242 s.qntra pushed. 1188089;1436083044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00054463 = 10.3207 BTC [-] 1188090;1436083528;scoopbot_revived;Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-june-2015-statement/ 1188091;1436083654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00054681 = 2.6247 BTC [+] 1188092;1436083831;mircea_popescu;http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html << check out glibc beating the shit out of everyone @strlen and strchr 1188093;1436083833;assbot;Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3fslm ) 1188094;1436083898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00054307 = 15.6133 BTC [-] {3} 1188095;1436084267;trinque;^ gutting docker from it. 1188096;1436084284;trinque;deedbot- is the one to use though 1188097;1436084325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28886 @ 0.00054416 = 15.7186 BTC [+] {3} 1188098;1436084386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4247 @ 0.00055022 = 2.3368 BTC [+] 1188099;1436084508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00055022 = 12.7651 BTC [+] 1188100;1436084543;mircea_popescu;heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl. 1188101;1436084752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00055022 = 2.8336 BTC [+] 1188102;1436085860;mircea_popescu;"In short, the work in progress has actually produced results. " http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-update-versus-ubuntu-update/ 1188103;1436085861;assbot;Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFx7Ud ) 1188104;1436085869;mircea_popescu;apologiez for linking to the retarded, but im trying to bother asciilifeform 1188105;1436088673;mircea_popescu;"UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)" 1188106;1436088690;mircea_popescu;aka, the world that could have been if we focused on the intelligent rather than on the fungal mass. mkay. 1188107;1436088717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00054119 = 11.6085 BTC [-] 1188108;1436089083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40369 @ 0.00054846 = 22.1408 BTC [+] {2} 1188109;1436089144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76431 @ 0.00055051 = 42.076 BTC [+] {3} 1188110;1436089449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00055195 = 15.841 BTC [+] {2} 1188111;1436090242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28094 @ 0.00053846 = 15.1275 BTC [-] {3} 1188112;1436090913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00054649 = 7.5416 BTC [+] {2} 1188113;1436090933;jurov;Qntra shares distributed to CoinBr. 1188114;1436091691;jurov;;;later tell wyrdmantis to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed 1188115;1436091691;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188116;1436091698;jurov;;;later tell punkman to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed 1188117;1436091699;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188118;1436092072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00055206 = 11.0136 BTC [+] 1188119;1436092743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00055261 = 14.9757 BTC [+] {2} 1188120;1436093012;punkman;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/000VZGG.txt 1188121;1436093013;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIza74 ) 1188122;1436093119;punkman;amidoinitwrong? 1188123;1436093368;punkman;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1RN0AFQ.txt 1188124;1436093368;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIzMcQ ) 1188125;1436093713;mats;http://chinadailymail.com/2015/07/04/chinas-new-mystery-midget-submarine-may-be-designed-for-attacking-taiwan/ 1188126;1436093714;assbot;China’s new mystery midget submarine may be designed for attacking Taiwan | China Daily Mail ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIAvea ) 1188127;1436093878;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT1AHDjzcsQ 1188128;1436093879;assbot;Keynesian Economic Theory As Applied To Private Sector Independent Contracting - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIAM0J ) 1188129;1436094348;punkman;mats, what lang did you use for they keyserver thing? 1188130;1436094368;mats;python 1188131;1436094452;punkman;cool, I'll give it a look when you publish 1188132;1436094515;mats;sounds good 1188133;1436094972;punkman;mod6, maybe a little script on the foundation website so we can upload and archive debug.logs (without shitting 50mb attachments all over the ml) 1188134;1436095000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00055277 = 20.5354 BTC [+] {2} 1188135;1436095078;mats;chinese-taiwanese fud is great 1188136;1436095089;punkman;on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes 1188137;1436095157;mats;imo the mainland is willing and capable of waiting decades (if not a century) to retake .tw 1188138;1436095157;scoopbot_revived;Peter Vessenes Attempts To Revive CoinLab (Again) http://qntra.net/2015/07/peter-vessenes-attempts-to-revive-coinlab-again/ 1188139;1436095472;mats;meanwhile the inhabitants of .tw are busy deluding themselves into thinking they're taiwanese, not chinese, and special snowflakes otherwise 1188140;1436095488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4733 @ 0.00055278 = 2.6163 BTC [+] 1188141;1436095673;jurov;punkman: good idea, maybe i'll do it. needs just a simple web form to upload file and signature 1188142;1436095846;punkman;jurov, maybe throw a pastebin up there while you are at it 1188143;1436095880;jurov;oh yes. and syntax coloring,. and inline images. and.. :D 1188144;1436095911;kakobrekla;https://i.imgur.com/n9YlRpZ.gifv 1188145;1436095912;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HF9vgG ) 1188146;1436095915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.0005364 = 19.4177 BTC [-] {2} 1188147;1436095999;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << in my experience, you can use spinning rust if you throw in 8GB RAM 1188148;1436095999;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 20:06:15; ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd 1188149;1436096033;jurov;obv not an option for pogo 1188150;1436096220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22002 @ 0.00054344 = 11.9568 BTC [+] 1188151;1436096867;jurov;i'll prolly try hybrid sshd with it 1188152;1436097055;jurov;!up hdbuck 1188153;1436097062;jurov;!up SuchWow 1188154;1436097100;hdbuck;hello jurov 1188155;1436097110;jurov;hello. who's there? 1188156;1436097146;hdbuck;some random internet dude, wondering in B-A 1188157;1436097281;hdbuck;any b-a official statement regarding yesturday’s f0rk attempt? 1188158;1436097353;jurov;yea: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html 1188159;1436097354;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFbmlC ) 1188160;1436097368;jurov;and next one 1188161;1436097379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00053085 = 17.5711 BTC [-] {3} 1188162;1436097745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00053059 = 17.987 BTC [-] 1188163;1436097968;hdbuck;is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins 1188164;1436097969;assbot;TV Giant CANAL+ Hacked, Hits Github With DMCA Complaint | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOuew2 ) 1188165;1436098042;jurov;ask cazalla or BingoBoingo 1188166;1436098111;jurov;!gettrust assbot hdbuck 1188167;1436098112;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=hdbuck | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/hdbuck/ 1188168;1436098134;jurov;in fact you can write and submit it to them yourself 1188169;1436098156;jurov;and you can !up yourself, too 1188170;1436098188;jurov;lol good rating "He follows instructions." 1188171;1436098192;hdbuck;ah will do then, thx 1188172;1436098206;hdbuck;lol 1188173;1436098660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38477 @ 0.00053737 = 20.6764 BTC [+] {2} 1188174;1436098722;mats;too light on actual details imo 1188175;1436099532;cazalla;from an aussie IPO - At 30 June 2015 1188176;1436099533;cazalla;Bitcoin Group 1188177;1436099533;cazalla;forecasts holding 1188178;1436099533;cazalla;1,932 1188179;1436099533;cazalla;Bitcoins with a fair value of 1188180;1436099533;cazalla;$0.7 1188181;1436099535;cazalla;2 1188182;1436099537;cazalla;million as investments and at 30 June 2016 1188183;1436099539;cazalla;Bitcoin Group 1188184;1436099541;cazalla;forecasts holding 1188185;1436099543;cazalla;51,824 1188186;1436099545;cazalla;Bitcoins with a fair value of 1188187;1436099547;cazalla;$47.10 1188188;1436099549;cazalla;million. 1188189;1436099553;cazalla;oops soz 1188190;1436099593;cazalla;so they expect their yet to be mined 52k coins to be worth about $900 1188191;1436100307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45208 @ 0.00053059 = 23.9869 BTC [-] 1188192;1436100913;punkman;cazalla: will they casually mine 5% of blocks in a year? 1188193;1436101009;punkman;;;halfreward 1188194;1436101010;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 28 18:56:49 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 3 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, and 0 seconds. 1188195;1436101213;cazalla;in the prospectus,they claim they bought some mining gear from ASICMiner back in January.. i wonder if these are the miners that disappeared same time as friedcat went awol 1188196;1436101222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00053903 = 13.2062 BTC [+] 1188197;1436101306;punkman;;;avgprc usd 7d 1188198;1436101307;gribble;259.32 1188199;1436101317;punkman;;;avgprc usd 30d 1188200;1436101317;gribble;246.22 1188201;1436101348;punkman;;;avgprice eur 7d 1188202;1436101349;gribble;Error: "avgprice" is not a valid command. 1188203;1436101356;punkman;;;avgprc eur 7d 1188204;1436101357;gribble;232.06 1188205;1436101374;punkman;;;baratio 1188206;1436101375;gribble;Bitfinex | Total bids: 5259068 USD. Total asks: 11822 BTC. Ratio: 444.82490 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds 1188207;1436101420;punkman;;;bc,xau 1188208;1436101421;gribble;1 XAU = 1168.9 USD = 4.45397043134 BTC 1188209;1436101581;punkman;;;bc,bull 1188210;1436101582;gribble;Next Price Estimate: 288.64 | Next Price In About 3 days, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 34 seconds 1188211;1436101708;mats;pgpdump really needs a rewrite... 1188212;1436101791;mats;the py port, at any rate 1188213;1436102154;shinohai;@ 310610 this morning, so abt a year behind. 1188214;1436103540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16747 @ 0.00055339 = 9.2676 BTC [+] 1188215;1436103845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15106 @ 0.0005371 = 8.1134 BTC [-] {2} 1188216;1436103906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37594 @ 0.00052886 = 19.882 BTC [-] {2} 1188217;1436104089;punkman;gave this a spin, works out the box https://github.com/ckald/pyccoon 1188218;1436104090;assbot;ckald/pyccoon · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGVPRs ) 1188219;1436104119;punkman;`pyccoon -s bitcoin/src -d docs` 1188220;1436104566;shinohai;heh punkman pyccoon looks pretty neat 1188221;1436105234;punkman;not a priority I know, but someone should exorcise that json_spirit crap (maybe with https://github.com/open-source-parsers/jsoncpp or https://github.com/giacomodrago/minijson_writer ) 1188222;1436105235;assbot;open-source-parsers/jsoncpp · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSAVu ) 1188223;1436105236;assbot;giacomodrago/minijson_writer · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSzB3 ) 1188224;1436105481;punkman;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6192 1188225;1436105483;assbot;rest: remove JSON input format for getutxos to avoid potential DoS problems · Issue #6192 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSYDx ) 1188226;1436107679;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=425201762403 (Stephan Urbach ; Herr Urbach ; ) the few i've spoken with personally did not seem especially happy re: their home being used as usg's 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' << hardly the case, and they're exceptionally deluded if they think so... 1188270;1436111884;mats;iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island 1188271;1436111914;mats;usg could deploy all their carrier groups to the region and it'd make no difference. 1188272;1436111958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00054337 = 14.997 BTC [+] {2} 1188273;1436112066;mats;and besides. tw is more dependent than ever on mainland money 1188274;1436112208;mats;the cost of living is extraordinarily high 1188275;1436112417;mats;analogous to going to .cn going to bat against usg over havana. good luck with that. 1188276;1436112448;mats;er, analogous to .cn going to bat against usg over havana 1188277;1436112568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00052341 = 7.7465 BTC [-] {2} 1188278;1436112960;asciilifeform;mats: iirc, the last time u.s. navy played an honest 'war game' with itself, the whole thing sank 1188279;1436112964;asciilifeform;('80s) 1188280;1436112993;asciilifeform;whole nato edifice has very little to do with physical reality 1188281;1436113283;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now.. 1188282;1436113284;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188283;1436113629;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: there was also the millenium challenge 2002 1188284;1436113639;asciilifeform;also sank? 1188285;1436113691;ben_vulpes;powers that be froze action, restarted game, provided script 1188286;1436113704;asciilifeform;which is why i said 'the last honest game' 1188287;1436113728;ben_vulpes;aha, missed that. 1188288;1436113731;*;ben_vulpes coffees. 1188289;1436113801;*;asciilifeform repeats the call for some hero to step up and produce a wall-printable callgraph for therealbitcoin. 1188290;1436113813;asciilifeform;i've wasted hours clicking through lxr crap 1188291;1436113824;ben_vulpes;what's wrong with etags? 1188292;1436113840;asciilifeform;I WANT TO SEE ALL OF IT IN FIELD OF VISION 1188293;1436113845;asciilifeform;on my wall. 1188294;1436113854;asciilifeform;navigate by moving eyeballs. 1188295;1436113855;ben_vulpes;you have the weirdest fetishes. 1188296;1436113874;*;ben_vulpes is sitting under a red sun 1188297;1436113880;asciilifeform;the one-function-at-a-time thing is like looking through a tank periscope 1188298;1436113936;ben_vulpes;a forest fire even further north than i is smogging up the world 1188299;1436113982;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is sitting under a red sun << one of my most favourite things about b-a voyage was being able to sit in the sun without checking dosimeter or smearing toxic sludge all over my skin 1188300;1436114055;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i still marvel at that. 1188301;1436114070;ben_vulpes;the stroll from office to tacos midday is almost guaranteed to pink me up a bit. 1188302;1436114078;ben_vulpes;and it's what - three blocks? 1188303;1436114091;ben_vulpes;whereas in bsas, i could walk for an hour plus without feeling the burn. 1188304;1436114105;asciilifeform;i bought dosimeter to find out precisely on what days i oughtn't to even go the three blocks 1188305;1436114125;mats;lol, white people 1188306;1436114156;ben_vulpes;(unrelatedly, whose moronic decision was it to produce keys that tab-complete before their public counterparts? looking at you, id_rsaa) 1188307;1436114337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00052225 = 19.1144 BTC [-] {3} 1188308;1436114581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16688 @ 0.00052067 = 8.6889 BTC [-] 1188309;1436115014;thestringpuller;mats: didn't know asian people said that too 1188310;1436115107;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188266 << this the build script I used -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt 1188311;1436115107;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 15:38:24; asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron what, if anything, is peculiar about your synced 0.5.x ? (i.e. what patch set it used? to whom connected ? for how long ? when ? ) 1188312;1436115108;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLNtTL ) 1188313;1436115864;gernika;mod6 I can dumpblock 168000, but not 168001. 168000 is available here: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/bsdwedge.bin. I'll share it differently if you'd rather I sign it and post it to the mailing list or anywhere else. 1188314;1436115865;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Te9aUm ) 1188315;1436116264;trinque;punkman | deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1RN0AFQ.txt << like so: 1188316;1436116264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ce6vpa ) 1188317;1436116273;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1RN0AFQ.txt 1188318;1436116274;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ce6xNM ) 1188319;1436116275;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1188320;1436116712;shinohai;I have not learned all the intricacies of deedbot yet, you can use it for anything? 1188321;1436116754;trinque;shinohai: you just feed it your key first (in the same way), then any gpg signed message 1188322;1436116768;trinque;so long as you're in good standing in the WoT, it'll let you use it 1188323;1436116780;shinohai;nice. 1188324;1436116814;shinohai;Membership has it's privileges 1188325;1436117122;kakobrekla;dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x 1188326;1436117216;shinohai;bit4x 1188327;1436117217;scoopbot_revived;Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken http://qntra.net/2015/07/chain-fork-reveals-bip-process-broken/ 1188328;1436117361;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1188329;1436117365;gribble;Current Blocks: 363970 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1188330;1436117994;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187883 << even though they are typically in favor of recording police officers in the line of duty, they hypocritically get very perturbed when others return the favor -- saying things like "I do not consent to be recorded" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-0EqoW8pWE 1188331;1436117994;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 01:50:48; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187304 < why? it's not like their political positions are secret? 1188332;1436117995;assbot;A Talk: Nick Ford Voltairine de Cleyre. Stephan Kinsella. Porcfest 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeaguF ) 1188333;1436118316;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap appears to have unwedged. by itself. or perhaps somebody fed it 1188334;1436118317;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188335;1436118858;asciilifeform;"errors" : "Warning: Please check that your computer's date and time are correct. If your clock is wrong Bitcoin will not work properly." 1188336;1436118893;asciilifeform;and plenty of 1188337;1436118896;asciilifeform;ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future 1188338;1436118896;asciilifeform;ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED 1188339;1436118903;asciilifeform;yet the clock is set correctly. what gives ? 1188340;1436118910;asciilifeform;anyone else experience this garbage ? 1188341;1436119029;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188246 what, sata is supposed to go inside? i'll just put it monkey-wire it outside anyway 1188342;1436119029;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 15:08:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188151 << do those even come in the form factor used by pogo? might be interesting to try 1188343;1436119060;asciilifeform;sure. just keep in mind the amperage of the dc power brick 1188344;1436119083;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io lies and declares that my public node is 'unreachable' 1188345;1436119084;assbot;Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1CecHNV ) 1188346;1436119113;asciilifeform;folks are welcome to try, 195.211.154.159:8333 1188347;1436119131;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << try pasting the expired url into the archive.is search box; I'm pretty good at catching them before they expire 1188348;1436119131;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes 1188349;1436119170;asciilifeform;also interestingly, it has 10 peers and no tx garbage scrolling in debug.log 1188350;1436119186;asciilifeform;just a very occasional new block 1188351;1436119205;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187148 << "Mint" like punkman was using lacks nearly all development tools including gcc out of the box. I chose it for shitty phree laptop to experiment with an Ubuntu-like without using ubuntu. Packages all come from Ubuntu repos, so... 1188352;1436119205;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:02:06; asciilifeform: i did learn that many linux distros lack 'realpath' 1188353;1436119226;asciilifeform;kinda wondering now if someone is building on top of the orphan chain 1188354;1436119231;danielpbarron;asciilifeform> anyone else experience this garbage ? << yes. I found the timestamp errors in my 0.7.2 (currently wedged) debug.log 1188355;1436119293;asciilifeform;received block 0000000000000000014e 1188356;1436119293;asciilifeform;REORGANIZE 1188357;1436119297;asciilifeform;^ from log 1188358;1436119303;asciilifeform;so there was a reorg 1188359;1436119339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00053316 = 11.8895 BTC [+] 1188360;1436119391;danielpbarron;i also see reorg attempts in my debug.log but none actually worked 1188361;1436119511;danielpbarron;;;later tell williamdunne your twitter scoopbot cuts off titles sometimes 1188362;1436119512;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188363;1436119644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00052416 = 6.3948 BTC [-] {2} 1188364;1436119979;asciilifeform;also looks like somebody's been sending 'extra-long-to-verify' blocks 1188365;1436120303;mod6;gernika: it makes sense that you can not dump 168`001. keep it posted at that url for a few days. I wanna see if I can replicate with obsd on my side (as soon as I can get it built statically), or when I free up my aws environment from its current sync process (if that should come first). I can use the aws one to cut out block 168`000 and compare the two. 1188366;1436120328;mod6;Maybe try to make sense of it somehow. 1188367;1436120381;mod6;310k+ 1188368;1436120391;mod6;should be done in about 24 hours or so? 1188369;1436120737;shinohai;I'm @ 319645 nothing out of the ordinary yet. 1188370;1436121244;trinque;remove docker -> set up same application like a normal person with runit and users substituting for containers -> free up 5gb 1188371;1436121247;trinque;fuck a docker. 1188372;1436122131;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188163 << If you want to write it up I don't see much wrong 1188373;1436122131;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 12:06:08; hdbuck: is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins 1188374;1436122810;mod6;i tried to build stator on obsd again, still ended up with some .so's in the output binary. 1188375;1436122815;mod6;same as yesterday. 1188376;1436122816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00053986 = 1.9165 BTC [+] 1188377;1436122966;decimation;I'm syncing stator+eatblock+dumpblock on some node, just cleared 200k blocks 1188378;1436122974;decimation;this is on rhel 1188379;1436122999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17167 @ 0.00054704 = 9.391 BTC [+] 1188380;1436123243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28670 @ 0.00054704 = 15.6836 BTC [+] 1188381;1436123353;mod6;decimation: cool! 1188382;1436123365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25298 @ 0.00055339 = 13.9997 BTC [+] 1188383;1436124097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00054704 = 23.2563 BTC [-] 1188384;1436124636;jurov;fu, onholy heat here and in most of europe 1188385;1436124641;jurov;*unholy 1188386;1436124650;ben_vulpes;global warming is a myth 1188387;1436124654;decimation;how hot? 1188388;1436124659;ben_vulpes;a liberal /myth/, jurov 1188389;1436124665;jurov;climbing to 40C 1188390;1436124675;decimation;yeah that is hot 1188391;1436124703;jurov;of course, exactly yesterday fetching keys of github finished and wait for me to crack them 1188392;1436124713;jurov;maybe later in the night 1188393;1436124786;jurov;so as not to cook myself alive :D 1188394;1436124796;decimation;have any of those github keys been among the compromised set? 1188395;1436124841;jurov;yes, of the first million ssh rsa keys several had factors like 3,5,7,11 1188396;1436124850;decimation;sad 1188397;1436124893;jurov;total will be about 10mil 1188398;1436124973;kakobrekla;jurov no ac? 1188399;1436124983;jurov;i hate ac 1188400;1436124991;kakobrekla;love heat then. 1188401;1436125014;mircea_popescu;some places aren't really livable w/o it 1188402;1436125038;jurov;that does not mean i should set my amd quadcore aglow on the top of it 1188403;1436125049;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eventually reorg succeeds. 1188404;1436125089;decimation;jurov: why hate ac? 1188405;1436125124;mircea_popescu;i bet you it's because all he had were cheapo units that always demoisturize to a certain % as result of their function, rather than actually CONDITION the air 1188406;1436125130;mircea_popescu;ie, put it out at a specified tem and humidity. 1188407;1436125134;jurov;it's seldom used here, so everywhere there's only that which just cools and recirculates bad air 1188408;1436125190;jurov;and everyone is setting them too cool, am getting headaches of that 1188409;1436125204;decimation;like miasma bad air? 1188410;1436125219;mircea_popescu;airplane air heh 1188411;1436125252;jurov;lol don't mention airplanes. last time i was sitting 10hrs in one i wanted to die 1188412;1436125283;mircea_popescu;bring girlies along next time. or, you know... boygirlies i guess. 1188413;1436125289;mircea_popescu;play tit-tag. 1188414;1436125297;jurov;aha 1188415;1436125347;decimation;airplane air is typically very dry http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/ " At around 12 percent humidity, it is drier than you will find in most deserts. This is chiefly a by-product of cruising at high-altitudes, where moisture content is somewhere between low and nonexistent." 1188416;1436125351;assbot;The truth about cabin air ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJIuaI ) 1188417;1436125362;mircea_popescu;i had no idea when i was young i'll live in such gender role confusion times. 1188418;1436125451;decimation;interesting: "The Boeing 787 has the healthiest air of any commercial plane, thanks to filters with an efficiency of 99.97 percent. Humidity too is substantially higher. The plane?s all-composite structure is less susceptible to condensation, and a unique circulation system pumps dry air through the lining between the cabin walls and exterior skin." 1188419;1436125457;jurov;yea we were supposed to have warp drive and mind upload by 2010 1188420;1436125460;decimation;having a non-metal skin would probably reduce condensation 1188421;1436125471;jurov;but gender confusdion? never!!!1 1188422;1436125478;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1188423;1436125497;decimation;I would settle for a manned expedition to juipter 1188424;1436125501;mircea_popescu;i was not told about this when we joined "the west" in 1990! 1188425;1436125514;mircea_popescu;it literally was, "play along for 20-30 years, you get mind uploads ands warp drives" 1188426;1436125520;mircea_popescu;WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY MIND WARPS!!1 1188427;1436125524;mircea_popescu;o shit. 1188428;1436125527;mircea_popescu;dude! 1188429;1436125537;trinque;you got warped minds instead! 1188430;1436125569;mircea_popescu;fucking shit. i bet you the whole thing runs on c++ and nobody did any bounds checking. 1188431;1436125578;mircea_popescu;"o mp, it has much faster string operations". fuck you. 1188432;1436126017;mod6;it checks 71 times! 1188433;1436126050;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1188434;1436126090;mod6;oh was just laughing about that link last night: The loops basically iterate 72 times << 72 i guess. heh 1188435;1436126113;mircea_popescu;oh. well they have to cause 72 bytes max lol 1188436;1436126119;mircea_popescu;but yea. 1188437;1436126415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1985 @ 0.000534 = 1.06 BTC [-] 1188438;1436126416;scoopbot_revived;French TV Venture CANAL+ Hacked, Suppresses News with DMCA http://qntra.net/2015/07/french-tv-venture-canal-hacked-suppresses-news-with-dmca/ 1188439;1436126460;mircea_popescu;kik 1188440;1436126476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.000534 = 1.3617 BTC [-] 1188441;1436126481;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is wrong with french speakers, they're so enamoured with this denial through legal process bs ? 1188442;1436126506;mircea_popescu;yo froggers : you don't have any "right to be forgotten", you don't get to abuse dmca out of fucking canada, and in general stfu. 1188443;1436126631;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust hdbuck 1188444;1436126632;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=hdbuck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hdbuck | Rated since: Tue Feb 3 13:50:17 2015 1188445;1436126649;mircea_popescu;!rate hdbuck 1 Latest qntra editor 1188446;1436126649;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/217fda67be96d99f 1188447;1436126675;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hdbuck.1:1dbf351613089fb79a798bdbb61614f211ae3e8f684a6abd682027df907aeb78 1188448;1436126676;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for hdbuck with note: Latest qntra editor 1188449;1436126740;BingoBoingo; Successfully added a rating of 1 for hdbuck with note: Latest qntra editor << Not editor, edited 1188450;1436126806;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't 1188451;1436126821;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo contributor eh ? 1188452;1436126825;mircea_popescu;!rate hdbuck 1 Latest qntra contributor 1188453;1436126825;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/aba560bb9c3690c8 1188454;1436126850;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hdbuck.1:054d7058b5e3cbe526b7ce2347cb387c46d70859cf71d140e888e743c872545e 1188455;1436126850;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for hdbuck from 1 to 1 with note: Latest qntra contributor 1188456;1436126852;mircea_popescu;there. 1188457;1436126886;BingoBoingo;July starting out as good month. 1188458;1436126978;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin "Core" sinking, true miner seekrit client existence proven, Frogs ignoring law again 1188459;1436127012;williamdunne;Price going up doesn't hurt 1188460;1436127091;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1188461;1436127093;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.52, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 271.53, 24 hour volume: 42989.06339824, 24 hour low: 256.88, 24 hour high: 275.88, 24 hour vwap: None 1188462;1436127104;ben_vulpes;hooer 1188463;1436127304;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo mmmyeah, remember a year or so ago when i was like "dude gtfo, nobody is using bitcoin pseudocore for any purpose" and the whole "community" of "experts" in their own dreams was liek "omfg mp spreading fuds and what does he know anyway!!1" 1188464;1436127357;mircea_popescu;o hey, 270. going to 300 is it. 1188465;1436127408;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina 1188466;1436127410;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.823599, Best ask: 271.316565, Bid-ask spread: 0.49297, Last trade: 271.316565, 24 hour volume: 28926.99150000, 24 hour low: 255.3435, 24 hour high: 274.474125, 24 hour vwap: 262.975360513 1188467;1436127457;mircea_popescu;quoth php manual : "?php /* * Makes the value of "result" congruent to "value1" modulo " value2"." 1188468;1436127467;mircea_popescu;dude i had no fucking idea number theory and geometry merged. 1188469;1436127481;mircea_popescu;how the fuck are numbers going to be congruent to anything. 1188470;1436127733;BingoBoingo;Wasn't there some Jewish thing where numbers had location or some shit. 1188471;1436127739;mircea_popescu;kaballa ? 1188472;1436127801;BingoBoingo;Yeah, that stuff Madonna was into 1188473;1436127915;mircea_popescu;aha 1188474;1436128571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in engl. numbertheory books, 'congruence' is the predicate with the 'triple equals sign', ≡ 1188475;1436128578;asciilifeform;http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Congruence.html 1188476;1436128580;assbot;Congruence -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGIXKh ) 1188477;1436128586;mircea_popescu;"exactly identical" ? 1188478;1436128601;asciilifeform;'congruent modulo m' 1188479;1436128606;mircea_popescu;oh wow 1188480;1436128608;mircea_popescu;i had nfi. 1188481;1436128633;asciilifeform;whatddaya call it in ro 1188482;1436128634;mircea_popescu;i like bitching here. i learn things. 1188483;1436128673;asciilifeform;in ru, the numbers are 'сравнимы по модулю' 1188484;1436128683;asciilifeform;(comparable on modulus) 1188485;1436128696;mircea_popescu;"egal cu X modulo Y" 1188486;1436128701;asciilifeform;aha so like ru. 1188487;1436128704;mircea_popescu;tho apparently the english usage has been spreading. 1188488;1436128738;mircea_popescu;tbh it's not a bad innovation 1188489;1436128754;asciilifeform;generally, barring pathological cases, shorter -> better in maths notation 1188490;1436128771;mircea_popescu;it does have significant similarities with actual congruence, so it's correcrtly oriented intuitively, and a word is prolly needed 1188491;1436128775;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1188492;1436128775;asciilifeform;aha. 1188493;1436128839;mircea_popescu;i just throw severe exceptions when reading math with unexpected words in it, for obvious reasons. 1188494;1436128862;asciilifeform;what kind of reader ~doesn't~ throw exceptions when encountering undefined symbol 1188495;1436128870;mircea_popescu;the reddit reader. 1188496;1436128878;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 363954 on dulap 1188497;1436128896;asciilifeform;363736 on local box -connect-ed to mircea_popescu-node 1188498;1436128911;mircea_popescu;it is, in fact, the one difference i see. there are the people who, when confronted with an unexpected symbol, DREAM UP a story involving it. then there are the people who fling the text across the room. 1188499;1436128913;asciilifeform;are there multiple forklets ? 1188500;1436128927;asciilifeform;anything peculiar at 363954 ? 1188501;1436128939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no idea how you'd have stopped at 54. 1188502;1436128947;asciilifeform;stalled for a few hrs now 1188503;1436128953;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1188504;1436128957;gribble;Current Blocks: 363989 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 906 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1188505;1436128969;mircea_popescu;i dun think there's another fork. 1188506;1436128983;mats;buttcoins rise again 1188507;1436129011;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's the height of your node ? 1188508;1436129035;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1188509;1436129036;mircea_popescu;dulap 1188510;1436129050;mircea_popescu;the one i published is gonna stay at the place it is for i wanna look at this fork more. 1188511;1436129055;asciilifeform;aha that one 1188512;1436129057;asciilifeform;ok 1188513;1436129060;mircea_popescu;it hurts nothing doing this, imo. 1188514;1436129076;asciilifeform;i have a snapshot btw 1188515;1436129081;mircea_popescu;ie, it still does what it was meant to do (publish the old blocks) and it keeps a valuable datapoint for the future. 1188516;1436129084;asciilifeform;in case anyone needs it for something 1188517;1436129085;mircea_popescu;good. 1188518;1436129096;asciilifeform;it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer 1188519;1436129102;mircea_popescu;right. 1188520;1436129154;mats;with all this going on, are you making progress on the cardano? 1188521;1436129172;asciilifeform;mats: if you are interested in cardano, take the time to read this month's broadcast. 1188522;1436129184;asciilifeform;mats: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement 1188523;1436129185;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR83sq ) 1188524;1436129193;asciilifeform;(it is always found on mircea_popescu's www) 1188525;1436129204;mats;alright 1188526;1436129259;*;asciilifeform bbl in a spell 1188527;1436130258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79460 @ 0.00052447 = 41.6744 BTC [-] {5} 1188528;1436130380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00052012 = 18.3082 BTC [-] {3} 1188529;1436130618;scoopbot_revived;Here's how you circumvent those draconianly stupid minimum wage laws. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/05/heres-how-you-circumvent-those-draconianly-stupid-minimum-wage-laws/ 1188530;1436130642;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/world/europe/greek-referendum-debt-crisis-vote.html 1188531;1436130645;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRb1gx ) 1188532;1436130710;pete_dushenski;greeks -reject- ?! 1188533;1436130735;pete_dushenski;"no moar austerity, we have our dignity" 1188534;1436130747;punkman;guess if your bank account is empty you don't care much about capital controls 1188535;1436130777;pete_dushenski;"we deserve it because our great^100-parents were useful and smart and had slaves and culture and everything" 1188536;1436130815;pete_dushenski;and if you've never used plastic, who cares that it's now limited in use 1188537;1436130982;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188325 << o hey cool. 1188538;1436130982;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 17:25:22; kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x 1188539;1436131046;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works, 1188540;1436131132;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can we has tickers ? 1188541;1436131138;williamdunne;kakobrekla: is bit4x profitable? 1188542;1436131154;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: I'd assume like a standard CFD brokerage but they hedge the bitcoins to USD also 1188543;1436131176;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: now that'd be neat. 1188544;1436131180;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly. 1188545;1436131189;mircea_popescu;hourly and large trade. 1188546;1436131195;pete_dushenski;start pricing assets in something other than, as you said, zimbabwean pula 1188547;1436131227;pete_dushenski;particularly the hard assets like oil, food, etc. 1188548;1436131251;mircea_popescu;yeh 1188549;1436131277;mircea_popescu;we kick the "btc balance bot" thing in gear, next thing you know i can sit here and go 1188550;1436131307;mircea_popescu;!buy C.WTI 185 && $pay ^ 1188551;1436131319;mircea_popescu;and end up with 1.8mn barrels o' oil. 1188552;1436131324;pete_dushenski;hehe 1188553;1436131349;pete_dushenski;that's so cool it's almost evil. 1188554;1436131357;mircea_popescu;isn't it ? 1188555;1436131369;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla show yourself! 1188556;1436131418;pete_dushenski;"on Saturday, China's top brokerages pledged to collectively buy at least 120 billion yuan ($19.3 billion) of shares to help steady the market, and would not sell holdings as long as the Shanghai Composite Index remained below 4,500." 1188557;1436131427;pete_dushenski;"Some analysts suggest total margin lending, both formal and informal, could add up to around 4 trillion yuan." 1188558;1436131443;pete_dushenski;"The government is anxiously awaiting the market opening on Monday to see if the new measures will halt a 30 percent plunge in the last three weeks," 1188559;1436131456;mircea_popescu;no it won't. 1188560;1436131463;pete_dushenski;not a fucking chance. 1188561;1436131473;mircea_popescu;ten-twenty years of building tin towns for tin women are catching up with them 1188562;1436131488;mircea_popescu;so much wastage hidden under the rug by the "communist party" that... well... 1188563;1436131490;pete_dushenski;the graph of the shanghai index is pointier than madonna's tits. 1188564;1436131499;williamdunne;The fact that they're having to do it, demonstrates the weakness of the markets and should surely inspire less confidence! Seems stoopid 1188565;1436131508;mircea_popescu;curious if this sends the chinese on a "democratizing" kick to texas. 1188566;1436131550;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: well, it IS stupid. also phree money for traders. 1188567;1436131566;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Stoopid is all over the shop 1188568;1436131569;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: what would that look like in your mind ? 1188569;1436131639;mircea_popescu;what ? 1188570;1436131700;trinque;mircea_popescu: btw deedbot.org is on a box that'll happily serve up the goods if referenced by another cname 1188571;1436131702;kakobrekla;yeah i can add some sort of ticker-on-demand at some point. 1188572;1436131713;trinque;moved the hosting from s3 to my own nginx 1188573;1436131739;trinque;got the fucker in a state where it'll be less of a pain in the arse to work on in the future 1188574;1436131747;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i guess you just meant chinese invading 'merica ? 1188575;1436131748;trinque;fancy one-script deploy and errethang 1188576;1436131769;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: cool beans. 1188577;1436131781;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now. 1188578;1436131792;mircea_popescu;and how about you do all this this week. i know i would trade on this system 1188579;1436131797;mircea_popescu;and i bet you i would not be the only one. 1188580;1436131837;williamdunne;I'd be an infrequent user 1188581;1436131863;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ah that. yes, like this always happens : chinese navy gets ordered to camp out between galveston and florida keys, us navy gets warned to stay the fuck out of their way. what are they going to do, fight ? the us is not fight worthy. 1188582;1436131881;mircea_popescu;and next thing you know it chinese soldiers are on the ground looking to arrest obama to take him before miloshevich's tribunal 1188583;1436131899;mircea_popescu;and to protect the citizens of baltimore from the criminal "federal government" with its long list of human rights abuses. 1188584;1436131918;trinque;that recent chinese assessment of USian human rights was pretty lulzy 1188585;1436131940;williamdunne;trinque: Source? 1188586;1436132002;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla oh and e) have it deedbot a statement gpg'd to the owner's key each month, listing their assets. 1188587;1436132008;trinque;williamdunne: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2015-06/26/c_134357934.htm 1188588;1436132009;assbot;Full text of Human Rights Record of the United States in 2014 - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRdibI ) 1188589;1436132009;kakobrekla;right now there are more urgent things on the plate, once api is working as id like we can do something like dat. until then you can run the platform with wine. 1188590;1436132025;mircea_popescu;gotta serve the customer kako. 1188591;1436132039;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i dun think the need for this will go away, so. take your time. 1188592;1436132053;williamdunne;trinque: Cheers 1188593;1436132090;trinque;williamdunne: "and you X negroes" more or less 1188594;1436132113;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188539 < feel free to try the demo 1188595;1436132113;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 21:17:26; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works, 1188596;1436132122;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: two outcomes from u.s. citizen perspective : a) "all hail the chinese, our lords and saviours" leading into much cock sucking, or b) "git off our turf yellow niggers !" leading into much guerilla warfare a la afghanistan 1188597;1436132137;trinque;gonna be B 1188598;1436132141;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski dude gtfo, there is no b. 1188599;1436132146;mircea_popescu;what b ? 1188600;1436132156;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: will look into it. thx ! 1188601;1436132156;trinque;I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation 1188602;1436132159;mircea_popescu;they're currently welcoming the rights of transsexuals and the obsese. what b? 1188603;1436132166;trinque;big country, still 1188604;1436132177;pete_dushenski;^ 1188605;1436132181;pete_dushenski;huge country 1188606;1436132181;mircea_popescu;yeah, im sure there's gonna be some guerilla. 1188607;1436132186;mircea_popescu;guess what ? there's some guerilla in the ukraine too. 1188608;1436132191;mircea_popescu;who ever interviews them ? 1188609;1436132195;trinque;oh yeah, not saying it'll *matter* 1188610;1436132203;mircea_popescu;well ok then. 1188611;1436132204;pete_dushenski;even 300 mn fat tards leaves, what, 30 mn fighters ? 1188612;1436132212;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you're off your rocker 1188613;1436132224;mircea_popescu;there are not 100k people able to fight a war in the us currently. 1188614;1436132244;pete_dushenski;so there's 80k, that's a lotta guerillas 1188615;1436132246;mircea_popescu;war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself. 1188616;1436132254;ben_vulpes;trinque: ain't gonna be b. 1188617;1436132263;mircea_popescu;80k is not a lot of mobsters. 1188618;1436132267;mircea_popescu;what lot of guerilla. 1188619;1436132271;trinque;ben_vulpes: you people never leave the cities, do you? 1188620;1436132279;trinque;there are still rednecks with assloads of weaponry 1188621;1436132283;trinque;whether they'll amount to anything, sure 1188622;1436132286;trinque;but people will get shot 1188623;1436132286;pete_dushenski;80k suicide bombers ? 1188624;1436132290;mircea_popescu;trinque dude, the gritted dissent of the peasantry was never a notable historical fact 1188625;1436132294;mircea_popescu;which is why it was never recorded. 1188626;1436132308;trinque;I just expect shitty times in between now and then, whenever then is 1188627;1436132312;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski right. except atm those people whio would suicide bomb hate obama more than the chinese 1188628;1436132324;mircea_popescu;because inept governance has managed to alienate all the people who matter to cater to the people who vote. 1188629;1436132336;trinque;mircea_popescu: but they hate obama mostly because they're having the reaction to "strange" you've noted 1188630;1436132336;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: anyways, not like i'm defending the toughness of the americans, i'm just saying that b exists, not same as it being probable 1188631;1436132340;trinque;not for any rational reason 1188632;1436132345;trinque;he's just black and smiles too much 1188633;1436132352;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt this. 1188634;1436132364;ben_vulpes;trinque: the rednecks will be the reason china gets involved. 1188635;1436132391;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: how so ? 1188636;1436132410;ben_vulpes;texas needs either zetas or chinks to hold its border to the north. 1188637;1436132443;ben_vulpes;and china's the only one of those two groups today with ships and ship-launched rockets with significant distance capabilities. 1188638;1436132449;mircea_popescu;<trinque> I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation << they seem to be dealing with a northern occupation just fine. 1188639;1436132466;BingoBoingo;I could see a mixture of A and B with the Chicoms tolerating B in the areas uneconomical to occupy. 1188640;1436132472;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. 1188641;1436132481;trinque;that's basically what I'm saying. 1188642;1436132483;mircea_popescu;and if you wanna b-talk, go to the b-tard reservation 1188643;1436132486;trinque;chaos everywhere that doesn't matter 1188644;1436132491;mircea_popescu;just like the us works now, so it won't even be strange. 1188645;1436132495;jurov;and i guess chicoms will be happy to leave all the desert to mexico 1188646;1436132510;mircea_popescu;what, you think maryland's not chaos everywhere "that doesn't matter" ? 1188647;1436132515;mircea_popescu;go walk the streets at night. 1188648;1436132538;trinque;I've been, not hungry enough yet though 1188649;1436132604;BingoBoingo;I mostly curious if the Chicoms farm Iowa or mine the uranium under Iowa 1188650;1436132656;trinque;^ this seems wishful to me 1188651;1436132662;mircea_popescu;that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. 1188652;1436132667;trinque;russia is not gone though the soviet union dissolved 1188653;1436132670;mircea_popescu;the chinese would farm the shit out of that thing, to the bare bedrock. 1188654;1436132683;mircea_popescu;in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive. 1188655;1436132694;mircea_popescu;and so... is no doubt in my mind the chinese are getting the us. 1188656;1436132698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00051999 = 11.0498 BTC [-] 1188657;1436132700;mircea_popescu;how and when, well... no idea 1188658;1436132740;ben_vulpes;i can see them either filling a power vacuum or backing an secession. 1188659;1436132744;ben_vulpes;a* 1188660;1436132752;trinque;ben_vulpes: now there's a theory that works a bit better imo 1188661;1436132768;trinque;something like the US is doing now in western ukraine 1188662;1436132772;mircea_popescu;(you may think "oh, wouldn't it be more logical to do africa first ?" and no, it wouldn't. africa's inhabited by monkeys currently, so it doesn't matter. same pattern played out in 1705 - napoleon went after europe not after the us. because in 1705 the us was africa) 1188663;1436132774;ben_vulpes;same thing i said before, really. 1188664;1436132776;BingoBoingo; that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. << Seriously big chunks or Arable land in Kansas went from farmed to feral in the past two decades. 1188665;1436132786;mircea_popescu;i know. 1188666;1436132794;trinque;ben_vulpes: far more plausible than china's going to land on the coast like normandy 1188667;1436132798;mircea_popescu;fallow not feral. feral's about animls. 1188668;1436132825;ben_vulpes;trinque: ah, i only meant to suggest that they might park an armada offshore to provide fire support. 1188669;1436132831;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Commercially I think there will be fairly rapidly increasing Chinese investment in parts of Africa. Although that is a different matter. 1188670;1436132849;mircea_popescu;williamdunne sure. and the us was built on european gold, look into the various panics culminating wit van buren 1188671;1436132850;BingoBoingo;Oh, no. Completely feral. No one knows who the last title holder was on chunks of the place. I'm not talking unfarmed because it is out of the rotation. I'm talking retired from the being farmed business. 1188672;1436132852;ben_vulpes;and with the work they're *doubtless* doing on autonomous flugenatoms that's going to be some impressive air support 1188673;1436132855;mircea_popescu;but that's a diff story as you say 1188674;1436132897;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes two things about chinese material research : a) american folk go "chinese have it so much better because their financing is secure" and b) they're spending about 10x more than the us 1188675;1436132915;mircea_popescu;(real terms, nobody cares you paid your neighbour ten cents to claim you paid him ten trillion billions so you're rich now) 1188676;1436132961;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Greeks are now facing the Disqus problem; https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/617750418479820800 1188677;1436132965;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188518 < ascii I was just thinking that a 'fork watcher' is desperately needed 1188678;1436132965;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 20:44:56; asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer 1188679;1436133023;mircea_popescu;williamdunne fuck the greeks. they should have bought btc for every penny they had. they did not 1188680;1436133030;mircea_popescu;why, because they're too good for their shit to stink ? 1188681;1436133044;mircea_popescu;i hope half the country starves and the rest gets sold into prostitution in rural india. 1188682;1436133056;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I'm not handing out sympathy here. But yes, I agree. Ah well, they're providing a lesson that is cheap for the rest of the world re; ownership 1188683;1436133068;mircea_popescu;rest of the world won't listen until it starves too 1188684;1436133076;mircea_popescu;not that i mind. 1188685;1436133080;williamdunne;It's fine, I'll start hoarding tins of beans 1188686;1436133186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19484 @ 0.00053808 = 10.484 BTC [+] {2} 1188687;1436133195;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187792 << like most things, it was relationship building. they challenge being that i was always starting out as the devil and had to spin my way into the good books. 1188688;1436133195;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 00:35:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185497 << what's the job mostly, looking at deep frozen pork bellies ? 1188689;1436133245;mircea_popescu;oic 1188690;1436133247;pete_dushenski;few restauranteurs and fewer landlords ever wanted a call from me, but too bad, i'm calling 1188691;1436133278;pete_dushenski;but since my stick was so large and cumbersome to use, i had to finesse my way around problems 1188692;1436133308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00055031 = 38.6042 BTC [+] {5} 1188693;1436133314;pete_dushenski;where stick = legislation 1188694;1436133389;williamdunne;When was there ever an agile stick? 1188695;1436133430;pete_dushenski;in the hands of a ninja ? 1188696;1436133440;decimation;People I know who are from greece tell me that anyone who is worth a shit left long ago 1188697;1436133442;williamdunne;turtles? 1188698;1436133456;decimation;it's become the puerto rico of europe 1188699;1436133517;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: yes. 1188700;1436133530;punkman;there are plenty of people left if you ask me :P 1188701;1436133540;mircea_popescu;decimation the particular thing that annoys me is that the fuctarded anglos traded greece for romania after ww2, because oh noes, got forbid the english "Aristocratic" fauntleroys get separated from the fabled homeland of collegiate faggotry. 1188702;1436133550;williamdunne;punkman: plenty of people, or plenty of people worth a shit? 1188703;1436133551;mircea_popescu;such a good deal this was, srsly. 1188704;1436133595;decimation;mircea_popescu: I wouldn't be too upset, the romanians are taking the piss from the uk right now - talk to any london cabbie 1188705;1436133608;punkman;williamdunne: only the latter is "people" 1188706;1436133620;mircea_popescu;i am not upset in the slightest, tis history. 1188707;1436133641;williamdunne;punkman: and the former are? 1188708;1436133646;mircea_popescu;people gotta know why their ears are nailed to which board. 1188709;1436133647;williamdunne;"The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK has risen by 15% year-on-year, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show. In the last three months of 2014 there were 172,000 people working in the UK who had been born in one of the two eastern European countries" 1188710;1436133652;williamdunne;Can't be taking the piss that much 1188711;1436133656;decimation;actually an enterprising young man from the uk ought to move to romania and start a factory 1188712;1436133668;mircea_popescu;that'll go over well :D 1188713;1436133674;punkman;williamdunne: the great unwashed, we don't care about those 1188714;1436133685;williamdunne;punkman: A shorter name available? 1188715;1436133698;mircea_popescu;williamdunne do those statistics distinguish romanians and gypsies ? 1188716;1436133729;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: They say born in Romania, so yeah I guess it includes Romani born in RO 1188717;1436133731;decimation;do pikeys count as gypies too? 1188718;1436133735;mircea_popescu;gypsies are a migratory sort, they're not anymore romanian than austrian, french or british 1188719;1436133742;mircea_popescu;decimation i think so. 1188720;1436133763;jurov;they are no longer migratory 1188721;1436133772;mircea_popescu;yeah, so said the sultan, cca 1400 1188722;1436133772;williamdunne;decimation: Generally people don't differentiate between Romani and the Irish traveller sort - all come under the name 'gypsy' in the common tongue 1188723;1436133818;mircea_popescu;williamdunne they're not really irish either lol. just called irish in england like they're called hungarian in some parts of romania 1188724;1436133860;williamdunne;Just throw it into the stew, why not 1188725;1436133915;decimation;it's interesting that they didn't really come to the us 1188726;1436134029;williamdunne;decimation: I was lead to believe there was a growing "Irish" traveller population in the US 1188727;1436134080;decimation;I've never seen one that was obvious 1188728;1436134090;trinque;there are stinking punk kids that call themselves "travelers" here 1188729;1436134099;cazalla;the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years 1188730;1436134110;decimation;then again there's enough land in the us that you could live in bumfuck nowhere and not bother folks so much 1188731;1436134114;punkman;trinque: lol I can picture that 1188732;1436134159;trinque;punkman: just losers in their 20s panhandling because as mircea_popescu said, nobody cares enough to beat them up for it 1188733;1436134186;decimation;those we got plenty of, but I never saw any evidence that they had families and culture 1188734;1436134192;trinque;no, nothing of the sort 1188735;1436134201;mircea_popescu;actually gypsy culture would stand out like the second coming in the us 1188736;1436134225;mircea_popescu;stuff like burning man etc stand for the peak of it there, but it's just about life 101 in gypsyland 1188737;1436134235;jurov;l0l 1188738;1436134305;mircea_popescu;anyway. actually genetic gypsy people don't drink well. this, they have in common with the hungarians. hence the entire thing in romania. 1188739;1436134350;mircea_popescu;contrairiwise, the irish drink quite well, russian-like 1188740;1436134350;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo "This incident highlight" << missing 's' 1188741;1436134350;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188742;1436134434;pete_dushenski;also "it is time for any last pretense of Bitcoin Core's development having any actual relationship to the actual living core of the Bitcoin Network." << time for what ? 1188743;1436134490;jurov;time for drink! 1188744;1436134544;mircea_popescu;with a yo ho ho 1188745;1436134633;cazalla;such talk is triggering 1188746;1436134720;mircea_popescu;i suppose the closest approximation of gypsy culture accessible in the us would be stuff like eve online. 1188747;1436134738;mircea_popescu;not exactly trolling, not exactly wot, not exactly industrious. something. 1188748;1436134772;jurov;nah, eve online has rules. more like eulora 1188749;1436134808;mircea_popescu;btw, did you hear i'm gonna fuck up skills next ? 1188750;1436134846;jurov;yes 1188751;1436134853;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188654 < oh, there's plenty that would resist an in-your-face takeover of the us by the chinese 1188752;1436134853;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:43; mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive. 1188753;1436134869;decimation;but nearly all of this opposition would be happy to work in exchange for chinese money 1188754;1436134871;mircea_popescu;decimation orly. 1188755;1436134875;mircea_popescu;hjahaha mkay. 1188756;1436134876;decimation;yeah definitely 1188757;1436134877;jurov;they don't need in-your-face 1188758;1436134882;decimation;no, they don't work that way 1188759;1436134886;mircea_popescu;the chinese don't do in your face anyway 1188760;1436134888;jurov;just buy the land with ..useless trinkets 1188761;1436134894;jurov;:D 1188762;1436134914;mircea_popescu;jurov shut up this facebook autoposter is great! really needed for it simplifies my lyf!!1 1188763;1436134945;mircea_popescu;also bought half dozen self licking icecream cones, you never know 1188764;1436135009;decimation;they just open a huawei factory in texas, texas pays them to do so http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Huawei-Moves-to-Legacy-Place-II-Promises-600-Jobs/116355 1188765;1436135011;assbot;Huawei Moves to Legacy Place II, Promises 600 Jobs - CoStar Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIgnZC ) 1188766;1436135054;decimation;because... they will help fund the real estate bezzletron 1188767;1436135094;mircea_popescu;or so the bezzletron thinks 1188768;1436135116;decimation;the chinese are willing to wait 100 years until your lease on hong-kong runs out 1188769;1436135129;decimation;they would be willing to wait until the locals capitulate and beg them for jobs 1188770;1436135130;mircea_popescu;oh, they won't dispute that. they will USE IT. 1188771;1436135140;*;williamdunne uses twitter autoposter 1188772;1436135147;mircea_popescu;"see, we're not even taking their lease on hong konmg. clearly we are the empire of law" 1188773;1436135169;decimation;oh yes round-eyed master, you are great 1188774;1436135169;mircea_popescu;you don't take over the enemy's things. you just make them be a burden to him now. 1188775;1436135198;mircea_popescu;or, as the ever wise azn someguy or the other observed, "what good is your gold to you now ?" 1188776;1436135288;decimation;on the freakonomics podcast, they had a guy on (retired army colonel) complaining that usg has nobody who thinks about anything strategic now 1188777;1436135300;decimation;not that they ever did, really 1188778;1436135314;mircea_popescu;arguably did at some point. 1188779;1436135372;decimation;plenty of folks in usg and elsewhere see the big picture problems, but the usg throne seems to always get itself into 'urgent but unimportant' problems that distract them from any kind of long-term strategy 1188780;1436135437;mircea_popescu;in any case, this all comes back to pete_dushenski attempts at education. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158290 1188781;1436135437;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 16:46:31; mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful. 1188782;1436135449;mircea_popescu;basically, the usg has managed to alienate itself from the thiny sliver of people who actually matter. 1188783;1436135458;mircea_popescu;this is a mortal sin nobody and nothing ever recovers from. 1188784;1436135502;mircea_popescu;if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there." 1188785;1436135518;mircea_popescu;once i observe it it's fucked. 1188786;1436135565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39949 @ 0.00051999 = 20.7731 BTC [-] 1188787;1436135567;mircea_popescu;decimation strategic thinking is not the result of "thinking about big problems". the epitome of this distinction is here : http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-35.0-35.271 1188788;1436135568;assbot;Agency and other notes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H25Ym5 ) 1188789;1436135578;mircea_popescu;that's a guy "thinking about big problems". he is no different from a dog thinking about bacon. 1188790;1436135688;mircea_popescu;moreover, the strategic problems are often disguised as mundane things. i know at least a coupla of times my clock fucking stopped right here, over apparently nothings. and what the inept represent as "big problems" is almost never a usable or even vaguely correct representation. all about 'em, their emotional conflux, stuff like that. 1188791;1436135742;decimation;often I find 'big problems' are unsolvable with any clear action anyway 1188792;1436135809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00052593 = 12.5697 BTC [+] 1188793;1436135827;mircea_popescu;and the epitome of ~that~ distinction is as far as i know best illustrated by tornatore. in "l'uomo delle stele". 1188794;1436135845;mircea_popescu;the plot is that a guy goes through villages with a broken camera, tricking people into paying him to make them cinema stars. 1188795;1436135878;mircea_popescu;one of the rural inhabitants of a post-war italy that looks like 1300 ad is a shepherd. and he tells, the story of sherperding, specifically, that he talks to the stars 1188796;1436135886;mircea_popescu;and sometimes wonders if the stars are real or the world is real. 1188797;1436135901;mircea_popescu;this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago. 1188798;1436135931;mircea_popescu;obviously if you restart the process of 5k years ago with the means of 5k years ago you will get the comensurate results. this is a fact, because the processors still work, and in the same way. 1188799;1436135943;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... this isn't, actualy, a big problem. hasn't been, for five millenia. 1188800;1436135955;mircea_popescu;god fucking help us if we have to fork human thought that deep. 1188801;1436135988;mircea_popescu;the general fate of "o noes, we will be poor" decay-of-civilisation ~small thinkers~ envisage is nothing compared. romania went through three of these in a century, was fine, will be fine. so will the us, if that's all it is. 1188802;1436135997;mircea_popescu;once you have to start forking the thoughts tho... that's gonna be hard. 1188803;1436136002;cazalla;BingoBoingo, why u no tell me this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3c86sd/influence_of_gavin_andresen_and_his_fellow/cst7qvu 1188804;1436136003;assbot;satoshi_pokemoto comments on Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H27rJ9 ) 1188805;1436136027;decimation;yeah I think I follow. it's kinda the root of ascii's complain about computing stuck in the 70's 1188806;1436136034;mircea_popescu;i suspect so. 1188807;1436136211;mircea_popescu;(the three, for the studious : 1929 ; 1945 ; 1989. the ww1 was not on the list, but instead a great time for romania. unexpectedly enough. young cvountry) 1188808;1436136307;williamdunne;cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism 1188809;1436136323;shinohai;> Did Gavin sleep with Mircea's wife or something? This article #9281 from qntra claiming that Gavin is incompetent. 1188810;1436136439;mircea_popescu;wasn't the guy married to some chick people were more or less jokingly proposing to be satoshi in early say 2010-2011 ? 1188811;1436136506;mircea_popescu;cazalla ahaha wait, BingoBoingo is mpoepr ?!?! 1188812;1436136512;mircea_popescu;bb show us your tits! 1188813;1436136814;mircea_popescu;cazalla here's a funny : one view shows the article at 5 votes and 8 comments. the other, 6 votes, 6 comments 1188814;1436136820;mircea_popescu;obviously these can't be both true. 1188815;1436136934;mircea_popescu;and yet qntra is supposed to be censoring stuff. go fig. 1188816;1436138255;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski fixed 1188817;1436138255;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188818;1436138424;BingoBoingo;Where is this comment calling me MPOE-PR? 1188819;1436138510;BingoBoingo;Apparently reddit ate those allegations/compliments 1188820;1436138515;williamdunne; /r/buttcoin 1188821;1436138554;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: No I clicked the link and it gave an error instead of showing great comment. 1188822;1436138600;BingoBoingo;See https://archive.is/dXGMy 1188823;1436138601;assbot;Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G26Qq1 ) 1188824;1436138606;williamdunne;Yeah, they deleted it before I could pay my witicisms 1188825;1436139130;asciilifeform;363954 1188826;1436139142;BingoBoingo;Does anyone have the actual text of the comment? 1188827;1436139502;cazalla;it was just a oneliner that you are probably mp 1188828;1436139564;BingoBoingo;Ah, I thought you were MP 1188829;1436139621;BingoBoingo;And anyways I thought you said they said I was MPOE-PR 1188830;1436139673;BingoBoingo;This is a crisis of existential proportions! I don't know who the Buttcoin public thinks I am. 1188831;1436139700;*;asciilifeform is pleased to not have this problem 1188832;1436139728;williamdunne;You're all MP 1188833;1436139730;williamdunne;We're all MP 1188834;1436139732;cazalla;nah, mircea_popescu said that, must've misread or we've gone inception or something 1188835;1436139733;williamdunne;I'm MP 1188836;1436139736;asciilifeform;bourbaki. 1188837;1436139833;cazalla;daily weather forecast if anyone needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePG6zUYvUZg 1188838;1436139833;assbot;Ozzy Man Reviews: Yanet Garcia & Mexican Weather - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G28h7G ) 1188839;1436140335;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188797 << very related thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#910176 1188840;1436140335;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 22:38:21; mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago. 1188841;1436140335;assbot;Logged on 05-11-2014 00:20:25; asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens. 1188842;1436140400;asciilifeform;or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end' 1188843;1436140500;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu points out, 'thought forks' are ruinously expensive 1188844;1436140517;asciilifeform;makes global thermonukefest look like a cheap carnival ride 1188845;1436140527;asciilifeform;if fork is deep enough. 1188846;1436140559;asciilifeform;look how much of the 'thoughtchain' the folks flying the mohammedan flag ended up having to ditch 1188847;1436140667;asciilifeform;(the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!) 1188848;1436140750;asciilifeform;the fella we keep bringing up, who directed his followers to use caesar's cipher, was actually being the very example of intellectual consistency here. 1188849;1436140844;asciilifeform;doing anything more recent - even, e.g., a 16th century italian cipher like gerolamo cardano's grille - would be quite inconsistent with the whole framework 1188850;1436140917;asciilifeform;why not, e.g., vernam (one time pad)? seemingly low-tech. but in point of fact, i can picture the conversation. 'provably unbreakable.' 'by what proof' '...' 'ah, but this mathematics is not in our wot.' 1188851;1436140998;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922690 << see also. 1188852;1436140998;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:37:34; asciilifeform: let's pretend that it just happened to fall upon the earth. 1188853;1436141011;asciilifeform;resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. 1188854;1436141029;asciilifeform;it is not even clear that this is something you would actually ~want~ a 'solution' to 1188855;1436142275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171075 @ 0.00052512 = 89.8349 BTC [-] {5} 1188856;1436143190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00054445 = 10.9162 BTC [+] {2} 1188857;1436143248;decimation;asciilifeform: indeed. it is an interesting point about the muslims, having to square the circle of islamic teaching forced them off the 'trunk' onto a backwards branchline 1188858;1436143262;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/06F9WDH << original sauce. 1188859;1436143264;assbot;dpaste: 06F9WDH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KENcIy ) 1188860;1436143323;BingoBoingo;ty 1188861;1436143407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that math wot reduces to, having the right people to laugh at you. 1188862;1436143416;decimation;I would also note that hardly anyone who builds on the mainline 'thought trunk' is aware of the fact that they are doing so 1188863;1436143431;decimation;as in their ideas only look foundational in retrospect 1188864;1436143471;mircea_popescu; (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!) << quite exactly this. 1188865;1436143497;decimation;spoils of which war? usg occupation? 1188866;1436143557;mircea_popescu;"that thing which the usg deems an occupation in the manner krill occupies a whale" 1188867;1436143594;decimation;the krill could claim to compose nearly all of the wale 1188868;1436143601;decimation;might even scheme to move the whale's path 1188869;1436143644;mircea_popescu; resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing. 1188870;1436143656;mircea_popescu;i've been peppering ag3ntzero guy with exactly this for the past week 1188871;1436143672;mircea_popescu;because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT. 1188872;1436143734;mircea_popescu;decimation their branchline is in no sense backwards. it is currently the consensus of thinking people (alf said "ru", but really, i agree, everyone with any sense agrees, ru is no determinant) that they are in point of fact broadly correct, 1188873;1436143755;mircea_popescu;just the fact that they enjoy a defacto monopoly on criticism makes YOU backward. 1188874;1436143810;mircea_popescu;the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast. 1188875;1436144936;mircea_popescu;btw nice article BingoBoingo 1188876;1436144948;BingoBoingo;thanks 1188877;1436145347;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it 1188878;1436145347;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes 1188879;1436145625;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188211 << apparently 1188880;1436145625;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 13:08:28; mats: pgpdump really needs a rewrite... 1188881;1436145631;mircea_popescu;by now it's getting to be a safe assumption ;/ 1188882;1436145687;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188232 << is this a problem after syncing ? 1188883;1436145687;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 14:50:21; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap is still wedged. and apparently this is not a terribly good place for a node, phuctor gets i/o-starved and dies 1188884;1436145798;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188251 << i can see this. 1188885;1436145798;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 15:11:48; asciilifeform: in general principle: destroy backups (the morons often make this possible!), produce leaks from which there ~can be no recovery~, etc 1188886;1436145823;mats;i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories 1188887;1436145841;mircea_popescu;"you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die." 1188888;1436146039;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188255 << i dunno that it's known as anything from there, but i'll point out to you that a) the only time this was ever successful was when the jews did it to hitler in the 30s. the cost was, a practical end to that ethnic group, because the jews calling themselves jewish today are not the central european hasids who were to jewry in 1920 what china is to asia today. they 1188889;1436146039;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 15:17:05; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188084 << this is known, from mr mold's articles, as the 'kick the dog till it bites then shoot it' algo 1188890;1436146039;mircea_popescu; got practically some indonesians or somesuch. not even counting the significant costs to the helpers - the british empire ended up dismantled as a result, in a manner very much reminiscent of the "fetlife dmca's mp, and as a result some random dc in the us pays for mp's yacht". 1188891;1436146046;mircea_popescu;and b) it has never worked since. never. 1188892;1436146092;mircea_popescu;so to sum up : not usian but jewish ; not effectual generally but once ; not effectual at all but VERY expensive. 1188893;1436146125;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the lefty "tactics" are purely sexual behaviours. if you examine it through the lens of "i am looking at an anal child", it's readily apparent they're seeking parental contact. 1188894;1436146214;mircea_popescu;btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped ? 1188895;1436146334;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188263 << this is true. 1188896;1436146334;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future. 1188897;1436146362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38689 @ 0.00054986 = 21.2735 BTC [+] {2} 1188898;1436146407;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188270 << they're as good as the entire us navy, which idem could not stop. so it makes sense, they're serving all the symbolic purpose that can be served, at the cost that can be borne. 1188899;1436146407;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 15:58:04; mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island 1188900;1436146445;mircea_popescu;as you say yourself lol. nm. 1188901;1436146642;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/bfc307fa93045657609cf07f10a3e124/tumblr_nodp2qkWTB1sjyuzzo1_1280.jpg 1188902;1436146643;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIeZrg ) 1188903;1436146728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00054986 = 12.8667 BTC [+] 1188904;1436147030;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-june-2015-statement/ << i kid you not , tangibles moved by 20.666 this month 1188905;1436147031;assbot;MPIF (F.MPIF) June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIg7LE ) 1188906;1436147180;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188295 <<< he has a point. how else to think ? 1188907;1436147180;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 16:30:55; ben_vulpes: you have the weirdest fetishes. 1188908;1436147215;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima support this. brb. 1188909;1436147399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00052461 = 5.2986 BTC [-] 1188910;1436147521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00052461 = 5.1674 BTC [-] 1188911;1436147582;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ << 1 btc. 1188912;1436147583;assbot;[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIhNVn ) 1188913;1436147756;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188349 << maybe all it's getting are "orphans" :D 1188914;1436147756;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 17:59:30; asciilifeform: also interestingly, it has 10 peers and no tx garbage scrolling in debug.log 1188915;1436148039;scoopbot_revived;MPIF (F.MPIF) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-june-2015-statement/ 1188916;1436148535;scoopbot_revived;[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ 1188917;1436148558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32250 @ 0.00053155 = 17.1425 BTC [+] 1188918;1436149314;mats;https://twitter.com/hackingteam/status/617852091390935040 1188919;1436149343;mats;HT does 'hax for hire' as USG subcontractor. lulz. 1188920;1436149378;mats;half a tb of emails and code there. 1188921;1436149412;mats;(they got pwned, if that wasn't clear) 1188922;1436149416;mats;http://i.imgur.com/OMbfNB9.png 1188923;1436149417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDA8S0 ) 1188924;1436149495;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ << 1 btc. << fwiw I did try creating the callgraphs in doxygen with SVG format; the graphs looked ok, but the links were all broken etc. maybe someone else has a better way to solve this. 1188925;1436149496;assbot;[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDAl7I ) 1188926;1436149635;mod6;( & perhaps a different tool ) 1188927;1436149660;decimation;!up ag3nt_zer0 1188928;1436149681;ag3nt_zer0;hey whats up decimation thanks 1188929;1436149700;ag3nt_zer0;just looking at the log here and feeling stupid haha 1188930;1436149734;decimation;critical self examination is the root of learning 1188931;1436149829;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188869 << well I am trying to grasp what is being talked about here and what I am missing 1188932;1436149829;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:24; mircea_popescu: resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing. 1188933;1436150693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00052461 = 4.3543 BTC [-] 1188934;1436150845;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188871 << please excuse my obtuseness, but what is "THAT"? ability to resolve "THE PROBLEM" of a thoughtchain fork? 1188935;1436150845;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:52; mircea_popescu: because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT. 1188936;1436151486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00053137 = 10.8399 BTC [+] {2} 1188937;1436151778;asciilifeform;mats, mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188920 << gotta mirror this 1188938;1436151778;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 02:22:58; mats: half a tb of emails and code there. 1188939;1436151806;asciilifeform;in other news, Run Moar Winblowz!!!11!! 1188940;1436151816;asciilifeform;esp usg subcontractorz plz. 1188941;1436151859;asciilifeform;in yet other nyooz, still wedged at 363954. 1188942;1436151879;mod6;318k+ 1188943;1436151907;asciilifeform;note that 363954 is 1) past the nominal ph0rkpoint 2) on a public node 1188944;1436152219;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188882 << see above 1188945;1436152219;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 01:21:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188232 << is this a problem after syncing ? 1188946;1436152255;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188886 << the only reason i found it readable 1188947;1436152255;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 01:23:43; mats: i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories 1188948;1436152282;asciilifeform;fuck oopisms 1188949;1436152315;asciilifeform;(oop systems which aren't clos (or possibly smalltalk's, and generally meta-object-able) are like btc securities exchanges which aren't mpex.) 1188950;1436152336;asciilifeform;better to have nothing than a shit-wine hybrid barrel. 1188951;1436152377;mats;you'll not enjoy reading the key server code then 1188952;1436152386;asciilifeform;which ? 1188953;1436152392;mats;mne 1188954;1436152399;asciilifeform;can't be any worse than bitcoind 1188955;1436152401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00052897 = 40.8894 BTC [-] {3} 1188956;1436152401;mats;mine* 1188957;1436152403;asciilifeform;(or could it) 1188958;1436152474;asciilifeform;kakobrekla, anybody else: can we get a mirror of that half-megatonne of shit ? 1188959;1436152478;mats;most complicated machinery is flask and a postgres wrapper 1188960;1436152489;mats;you'll just have to find out 1188961;1436152500;asciilifeform;mats: that's almost exactly a description of 'phuctor', l0l 1188962;1436152523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00052059 = 20.6674 BTC [-] {3} 1188963;1436152893;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188450 << all urls are shortened to the same length which is 22 characters, leaving 118 left for the title plus a space to separate it from the url. very few titles are longer than this 1188964;1436152893;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 20:06:46; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't 1188965;1436152999;decimation;lol that Piketty guy is now a paid shill for greece: https://medium.com/@gavinschalliol/thomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff 1188966;1436153000;assbot;Thomas Piketty: “Germany has never repaid.” — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGC7Ei ) 1188967;1436153025;decimation;"if you don't have a debt jubileee it's like you are shoveling jews into the furnace" 1188968;1436153100;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Thanks, I'll fix it to take that into account tomorrow 1188969;1436153540;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov http://www.gnu.org/software/global << interesting potential replacement for 'lxr' 1188970;1436153541;assbot;GNU GLOBAL source code tagging system ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHxhXK ) 1188971;1436153541;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188972;1436153989;asciilifeform;mats et al: http://yosefk.com/blog/fun-with-ub-in-c-returning-uninitialized-floats.html 1188973;1436153991;assbot; Fun with UB in C: returning uninitialized floats ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGDumw ) 1188974;1436154040;asciilifeform;'The average C/C++ programmer's intuition says that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't depend on their values. A more experienced programmer probably suspects that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't access them. ... Well, it turns out that even if the caller does nothing at all with the return value ever... ... the program might bomb.' 1188975;1436154169;mats;wat 1188976;1436154292;asciilifeform;aha. 1188977;1436154392;asciilifeform;http://www.brendangregg.com/FlameGraphs/cpuflamegraphs.html << interesting graphatron re: profiling 1188978;1436154393;assbot;CPU Flame Graphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHyDS8 ) 1188979;1436154528;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu minor nitpick with article: 'bitcoin core' is what the gavinists call their turd. the traditional client is generally known as 'bitcoind'. 1188980;1436154528;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1188981;1436154557;asciilifeform;i don't give a flying fuck personally, but the terminology might sow some confusion among readership 1188982;1436154841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3789 @ 0.00052781 = 1.9999 BTC [+] 1188983;1436154963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50724 @ 0.00052781 = 26.7726 BTC [+] 1188984;1436155043;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188874 << 'brightest' is not really the word 1188985;1436155043;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 00:50:10; mircea_popescu: the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast. 1188986;1436155099;asciilifeform;nor are the 'desert horde' exempt from the radiation damage of welfarism. ferfuxxsake they're getting free tanks by the column ! 1188987;1436155121;asciilifeform;just think of the moral degeneration from ~that~ 1188988;1436155136;decimation;not to mention the generations of inbreeding 1188989;1436155148;asciilifeform;eh, that one's survivable 1188990;1436155150;asciilifeform;ask the hassids 1188991;1436155169;decimation;nevertheless, isis is certainly where you would find someone who knows how to survive a shitstorm 1188992;1436155169;asciilifeform;(though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) 1188993;1436155183;asciilifeform;depends what means 'survive' and 'shitstorm' 1188994;1436155229;mats;iirc second cousins are safe 1188995;1436155346;mats;asciilifeform: after some consultation with my betters, one had this to say: "I'm not sure you can blame that on undefined behavior, except insofar as a SIGFPE is just as valid as nasal demons and such at that point." 1188996;1436155363;mats;"it is not a case of the compiler doing something crazy because of undefined behavior." 1188997;1436155376;asciilifeform;mats: fact of the matter is, the machine behaves in a way which will probably surprise most readers. 1188998;1436155388;asciilifeform;that is worth rubbing in peoples' faces. 1188999;1436155394;mats;yes 1189000;1436155399;asciilifeform;whether the compiler, the os, or satan is to blame - is secondary 1189001;1436155446;asciilifeform;if the effect were not so brute, it would've made a good star in an 'underhanded c contest' entry. 1189002;1436155576;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188872 << mistake to symlink 'the west is moribund' and 'la ilaha illa'llah Muhammadun rasul Allah' (tm) (r) 1189003;1436155576;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 00:48:54; mircea_popescu: decimation their branchline is in no sense backwards. it is currently the consensus of thinking people (alf said "ru", but really, i agree, everyone with any sense agrees, ru is no determinant) that they are in point of fact broadly correct, 1189004;1436155581;asciilifeform;very different items. 1189005;1436155588;decimation;http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/inbreeding/ 1189006;1436155589;assbot;Inbreeding | West Hunter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHAN4l ) 1189007;1436155636;decimation;asciilifeform: I've made those flamegraphs before, used 'perf' tool 1189008;1436155639;decimation;it comes with kernel 1189009;1436155652;asciilifeform;neat 1189010;1436155669;decimation;but getting it to cough up full stacktraces is a pain in the ass 1189011;1436155685;decimation;need libunwind, gdb configured correctly, etc 1189012;1436155711;decimation;actually gdb isn't involved 1189013;1436155744;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188887 << on top of this, the folks who informed 'amazon' and other usgtronic entities about the xen holes, etc. long before mortals were shown - are legitimate targets. 1189014;1436155744;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 01:24:01; mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die." 1189015;1436155793;decimation;ironically usg uses the same formula for 'extending protection' 1189016;1436155804;asciilifeform;i personally refuse to make any distinction between someone who wrote, e.g., 'heartbleed', into existence - and some other fella who ~knew of it and didn't tell me~ 1189017;1436155809;asciilifeform;they are exactly the same to me. 1189018;1436155827;decimation;even if done by mistake? 1189019;1436155843;asciilifeform;how am i to believe this? 1189020;1436155871;asciilifeform;every devil, great and small, held up by his hindlegs over the fire will say exactly same thing: 'mistake' 1189021;1436155877;decimation;true. 1189022;1436155913;decimation;then again, who are the innocents using openssl to secure themselves? 1189023;1436155931;asciilifeform;at any rate, the offenders for this last item are known, habitual, and loudly unrepentant. 1189024;1436156005;asciilifeform;what next, we are to care about the 'innocents' 'securing themselves' with winblows? 1189025;1436156023;asciilifeform;the hell they rot in is a strictly voluntary place 1189026;1436156051;decimation;well, then why not congratulate, rather than roast, said devil? 1189027;1436156094;asciilifeform;decimation: notice that 'winblows' now includes much of the unixlike world, in practice. 1189028;1436156192;asciilifeform;what i'd like to see happen is for all the poor schmucks who report, e.g., a 'xen' 0day, to 'cert' et al, to understand that they are ~weaponsmithing for usg for free~ 1189029;1436156200;asciilifeform;at the very least, ought to charge 1189030;1436156207;asciilifeform;if 'selling the rope with which to be hanged' 1189031;1436156216;decimation;even microsoft needs a tcp/ip stack - reminds me of your blog post on 'the burden of supporting all the world' 1189032;1436156244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12448 @ 0.00052781 = 6.5702 BTC [+] 1189033;1436156376;decimation;asciilifeform: what gets my goat are the constant pleadings for money money and power to do 'cyber' 1189034;1436156427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00054986 = 8.0829 BTC [+] {2} 1189035;1436156535;asciilifeform;decimation: the process of crafting, concealing, and then digging up '0days' is extremely labour-intensive 1189036;1436156555;asciilifeform;which also means that there is that much more to be embezzled via meta-armies of imaginary labourers 1189037;1436156586;asciilifeform;just like an f-35 engine compressor made from monocrystalline shitanium with unobtainium alloy blades is far more lucrative than an ordinary steel one 1189038;1436156617;asciilifeform;(because higher price tag + vapour delivery is far more lucrative than low + same vapour) 1189039;1436156786;decimation;asciilifeform: this is why the ru military were able to make fighters that match nato's for orders of magnitude less cash 1189040;1436156812;decimation;they only had to build planes, not employ zombies 1189041;1436156850;decimation;or at least fewer, cheaper zombies 1189042;1436156924;decimation;the supreme irony being that the story is that 'nato won' because of capitalist efficency 1189043;1436158379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6049 @ 0.00053927 = 3.262 BTC [-] 1189044;1436158515;mircea_popescu; HT does 'hax for hire' as USG subcontractor. lulz. << mmmyeah 1189045;1436158528;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah i know it should be doable. 1189046;1436158545;mircea_popescu;maybne iof anyone feels like posting the link where doxygen / svg experts gather. 1189047;1436158608;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am deliberately trampling that convention. fuck them. 1189048;1436158684;mircea_popescu;<mats> you'll not enjoy reading the key server code then << im kinda curious how this thing will go down :D 1189049;1436158712;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is not practical to keep tb sized backups on webservers. make a local copy, put on torrents. 1189050;1436158717;mircea_popescu;im sure it's there anyway, but hey. 1189051;1436158787;mircea_popescu; just think of the moral degeneration from ~that~ << those grapes aren't whine yet. 1189052;1436158894;mircea_popescu; very different items. << sure. 1189053;1436158992;ben_vulpes;jesus shit i blink and y'all crap out 400 lines? 1189054;1436159002;mircea_popescu;don't look at me, it's all them. 1189055;1436159035;mircea_popescu;an' with that, im off. have a great 5th of july erryone. 1189056;1436159075;decimation;ben_vulpes: I switched to erc, have seen the light 1189057;1436159094;ben_vulpes;decimation: lmk if you come up with an acceptable bouncer situation. 1189058;1436159142;decimation;tmux? 1189059;1436159166;ben_vulpes;sitrep: freshly provisioned server builds boost, bdb and openssl w/out a hitch, barfs on compiling bitcoind because lacking i b'leev integer retardation patch 1189060;1436159185;ben_vulpes;decimation: running more than one emacs chafes. 1189061;1436159185;decimation;what os? 1189062;1436159194;decimation;yeah that does suck I agree 1189063;1436159194;ben_vulpes;gentoo. 1189064;1436159208;ben_vulpes;decimation: have you looked into mosh? 1189065;1436159230;decimation;is that one of those client/server deals? 1189066;1436159252;ben_vulpes;can't say as i can tell from your question. 1189067;1436159283;decimation;bouncer server, remote clients? 1189068;1436159287;ben_vulpes;but it does new up a udp thinger. 1189069;1436159294;ben_vulpes;ah no, it's a tmuxalike 1189070;1436159298;decimation;oh wait is that the supposed ssh replacement 1189071;1436159301;ben_vulpes;but not a wm-wannabe 1189072;1436159307;ben_vulpes;more liek an ssh-wannabe 1189073;1436159316;ben_vulpes;mnno, not replacement 1189074;1436159327;ben_vulpes;but very good tool for persistent terminals on remote hosts. 1189075;1436159330;decimation;interesting 1189076;1436159348;decimation;yeah I get what you mean about more than one emacs 1189077;1436159352;ben_vulpes;good with high latency, network-hopping, all of the travails of diginomad life. 1189078;1436159372;decimation;want to cut/paste arbitrary things in emacs 1189079;1436159376;ben_vulpes;mhm 1189080;1436159391;ben_vulpes;i ran both znc and weechat as bouncers for a while 1189081;1436159393;ben_vulpes;shit was wack. 1189082;1436159407;decimation;heh yeah I looked at the znc config as said 'fuck this shit' 1189083;1436159442;ben_vulpes;oh you rejected it before you figured out that editing the config files while the thing waas running would fly it straight into the wall at 0.8 mach? 1189084;1436159455;decimation;I just didn't trust it by the smell 1189085;1436159472;ben_vulpes;i'm saying that my nose ain't that good yet 1189086;1436159493;decimation;heh do a few cycles in the gentoo barrel 1189087;1436159509;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mircea_popescu an irc bouncer job advert wouldn't go amiss 1189088;1436159509;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1189089;1436159519;decimation;aye 1189090;1436159526;decimation;or the gossipd thing 1189091;1436159527;ben_vulpes; the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << ugh i met another ozzie today 1189092;1436159546;ben_vulpes;decimation: re gossipd errything's gonna have to be reimplemented atop it 1189093;1436159553;decimation;indeed 1189094;1436159567;ben_vulpes;irc bouncer implementation's a good thing to have in the interim. 1189095;1436159570;decimation;emacs-gossipd 1189096;1436159581;ben_vulpes;"trivial", i'm sure 1189097;1436159601;ben_vulpes;(emacs-gd, that is) 1189098;1436159604;decimation;heh 1189099;1436159612;ben_vulpes;elisp! 1189100;1436159616;ben_vulpes;it's lisp, right? 1189101;1436159617;ben_vulpes;RIGHT 1189102;1436159635;decimation;heh. I'm not much of a lisp guy, but the ones I know aren't a fan of emacs lisp 1189103;1436159642;ben_vulpes; the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << met another ozzie this wknd 1189104;1436159663;ben_vulpes; still not a fan. 1189105;1436159668;ben_vulpes;caz passes, no idea why. 1189106;1436159690;ben_vulpes;decimation: it's p barbaric 1189107;1436159699;ben_vulpes;"poor man's lisp machine" 1189108;1436159715;ben_vulpes;look i'm just trying to make a mil or 5 over here 1189109;1436159718;decimation;yeah, I've seen the screenshots for 'zmacs' 1189110;1436159727;ben_vulpes;no time for reimplementing elisp or...emacs even. 1189111;1436159741;decimation;one day I will fire up that symbolics emulator 1189112;1436159743;ben_vulpes;although a barebones lisp editor is tempting. 1189113;1436159772;decimation;yeah I think I'm going to play with phf's blockchain code he wrote in lisp as an education 1189114;1436159775;ben_vulpes; with a yo ho ho << and a bottle of fun! 1189115;1436159782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00054986 = 3.794 BTC [+] 1189116;1436159792;ben_vulpes;decimation: take a look at binary-types, per asciilifeform's suggestion 1189117;1436159811;decimation;okay, will do 1189118;1436159825;decimation;by the way my stator node is slow as balls, I"m not sure if it's my machine or the node 1189119;1436159837;decimation;it's taken like 8 hours to go 10k blocks 1189120;1436159842;ben_vulpes;whose seed? 1189121;1436159853;decimation;some random one on mircea's list 1189122;1436159870;ben_vulpes;so you're not sure if node code, machine host or seed. 1189123;1436159888;decimation;aye 1189124;1436159899;ben_vulpes;try herr popescus node or perhaps herr form's 1189125;1436159914;decimation;yeah that's a good idea 1189126;1436159928;ben_vulpes;testing this thing is a goddamn nightmare. 1189127;1436159948;decimation;yes, you basically have to devote a fulll machine to it 1189128;1436159956;ben_vulpes;mhm. 1189129;1436160041;cazalla;ben_vulpes, so you base an entire nation on the few you've met.. gee get a load of this racist 1189130;1436160088;decimation;he's gonna complain about australian shitposting now 1189131;1436160093;ben_vulpes;hey i'm an empiricist what do you want 1189132;1436160114;ben_vulpes;well for as long as nobody here uses shithouse.tv nothing here can be considered actual shitposting. 1189133;1436160249;ben_vulpes; cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism << witticism, like witty 1189134;1436160313;cazalla;speaking of australia, our dollar is down to 5 year lows.. here's hoping it goes much lower http://i.imgur.com/FRus9l5.png 1189135;1436160313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZRjch ) 1189136;1436160346;ben_vulpes;may you stay long when it's good for you and go short when it's good for you, caz 1189137;1436160353;decimation;that means chinamen can pay less for your ores 1189138;1436160392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.000548 = 4.1374 BTC [-] 1189139;1436160483;ben_vulpes; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it << srsly 1189140;1436160483;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes 1189141;1436160552;decimation;Who do they think they are? snapchat? 1189142;1436160569;*;decimation to bed 1189143;1436160630;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << someone who knows, someone wh doesn't 1189144;1436160631;assbot;#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZRHHP ) 1189145;1436160636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34238 @ 0.00054802 = 18.7631 BTC [+] {2} 1189146;1436160785;ben_vulpes; (oop systems which aren't clos (or possibly smalltalk's, and generally meta-object-able) are like btc securities exchanges which aren't mpex.) << by virtue of living in the shit your whole life, you'll be able to read it. 1189147;1436160937;ben_vulpes; (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) << generally just the girls 1189148;1436161057;ben_vulpes; they are exactly the same to me. << and your own zero days? 1189149;1436161064;ben_vulpes;where arse those? 1189150;1436161278;ben_vulpes; heh do a few cycles in the gentoo barrel << tomorrow mayhap. tonight, the canadians have interesting ingestibles. 1189151;1436161296;ben_vulpes;night! 1189152;1436162100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00053927 = 10.8124 BTC [-] 1189153;1436163503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44333 @ 0.00053927 = 23.9075 BTC [-] 1189154;1436164789;cazalla;well Yanis Varoufakis fell on his sword, back to valve to make more hats i guess 1189155;1436164934;punkman;wait wut? 1189156;1436164991;punkman;he got the "no" he wanted 1189157;1436165001;punkman;guess the job doesn't pay well enough 1189158;1436165272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00054101 = 3.2461 BTC [+] 1189159;1436165776;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/06/175a29e69a614ab0a194d4bd3c1a5220.md.png << Related to the BIP process 1189160;1436165779;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2uVi8 ) 1189161;1436165786;cazalla;http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/06/minister-no-more/ 1189162;1436165787;assbot;Minister No More! | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2uVPl ) 1189163;1436166621;punkman;"The Greek Premier Alexis Tsipras is suffering from Herpes Labialis due to the stress of the last days." 1189164;1436166736;punkman;"I was running bitcoin core version 0.9 which accepted an invalid chain not adhering to the BIP66 protocol changes. This prompted me to upgrade immediately, however the new version is taking the already accepted blocks as already verified." 1189165;1436166859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00053783 = 22.1586 BTC [-] {3} 1189166;1436167528;BingoBoingo;punkman: Want to cover the latest stuff on the Greek beat? 1189167;1436167565;cazalla;https://twitter.com/TSAmedia_LisaF/status/615866332530278400 1189168;1436167593;jurov; [20150706 01:30] btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped << yes davout offered but then went silent 1189169;1436167632;punkman;BingoBoingo: was thinking of a "bailout timeline" thing after the dust settles 1189170;1436167678;BingoBoingo;k 1189171;1436167737;jurov;https://github.com/OpenGrok/OpenGrok/wiki/Comparison-with-Similar-Tools more lxr replacements, still does not even include doxygen 1189172;1436167738;assbot;Comparison with Similar Tools · OpenGrok/OpenGrok Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1giMvYK ) 1189173;1436167796;jurov;and call graph not mentioned, too 1189174;1436168264;cazalla;going on holidays.. don't forget your smoke grenades https://twitter.com/TSAmedia_LisaF/status/529714501663608832 1189175;1436168508;cazalla;with the amount of confiscated hand guns featured on this twitter account, how the fuck does it not make the news erry day or is it simply the case they run the story every 3 months to keep to fresh 1189176;1436168573;jurov;!mpif 1189177;1436168574;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021447 B (Total: 426.11 B). Delta: 0.15 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] 1189178;1436168591;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1189179;1436168591;assbot;Your actions are useless. 1189180;1436168810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.00053248 = 18.0777 BTC [-] {4} 1189181;1436169847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.000528 = 7.9464 BTC [-] 1189182;1436170045;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189087 << i have funded znc-otr development with *gasp* my own bitcoins 1189183;1436170045;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 05:11:49; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mircea_popescu an irc bouncer job advert wouldn't go amiss 1189184;1436170122;jurov;and generally find whole znc thing palatable 1189185;1436170468;jurov;!up rawplayer 1189186;1436170518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59550 @ 0.000528 = 31.4424 BTC [-] 1189187;1436170701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00054108 = 29.9758 BTC [+] {3} 1189188;1436171433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00054464 = 8.6053 BTC [+] {2} 1189189;1436171677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00055101 = 21.1037 BTC [+] {2} 1189190;1436171770;jurov;!up Drhelmut 1189191;1436171789;Drhelmut;hello 1189192;1436171805;Drhelmut;thx jurov, too lazy to voice myself 1189193;1436171819;jurov;!up hdbuck 1189194;1436173263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20457 @ 0.00055282 = 11.309 BTC [+] {3} 1189195;1436174276;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188958 < for blockchain or what ? 1189196;1436174276;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 03:14:34; asciilifeform: kakobrekla, anybody else: can we get a mirror of that half-megatonne of shit ? 1189197;1436174849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17315 @ 0.00053781 = 9.3122 BTC [-] 1189198;1436177655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38389 @ 0.00053956 = 20.7132 BTC [+] {2} 1189199;1436178021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00053244 = 17.8101 BTC [-] 1189200;1436178265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00053694 = 6.7654 BTC [+] 1189201;1436178387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00052437 = 34.4511 BTC [-] {5} 1189202;1436178576;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how do you mean ? 1189203;1436178814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88450 @ 0.00053608 = 47.4163 BTC [+] {4} 1189204;1436180094;mats;i just wanna read the code to their tools tbh 1189205;1436180828;kakobrekla;http://www.csoonline.com/article/2943968/data-breach/hacking-team-hacked-attackers-claim-400gb-in-dumped-data.html 1189206;1436180830;assbot;Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIWWBo ) 1189207;1436180865;mircea_popescu;was in logs, alf wanted it mirrored. 1189208;1436180975;jurov;anyonen has working torrent/magnet link? 1189209;1436180981;jurov;i found one, it's stalling 1189210;1436180991;jurov;or anyone downloaded it already? 1189211;1436181352;*;mircea_popescu confesses to not having bothered. 1189212;1436181355;mircea_popescu;is it gone nao ? 1189213;1436181370;kakobrekla;what is gone? 1189214;1436181392;mircea_popescu;the 400gb thing 1189215;1436181420;*;kakobrekla still has no idea wtf the thing is 1189216;1436181695;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla apparently a dump of emails and other things 1189217;1436181718;jurov;most of googling leads to a 10M PDF which i'm loathing to touch 1189218;1436182438;kakobrekla;if only id been awake 1189219;1436182764;jurov;they waited until noone was on watch in #b-a 1189220;1436182846;jurov;https://netzpolitik.org/2015/hacking-team-wird-zu-hacked-team-400-gb-interne-daten-von-ueberwachungssoftware-hersteller-veroeffentlicht/ 1189221;1436182847;assbot;Hacking Team wird zu Hacked Team: 400 GB interne Daten von Überwachungssoftware-Hersteller veröffentlicht | netzpolitik.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0fWpp ) 1189222;1436182869;jurov;but my deluge has serious problem digesting there linked torrent 1189223;1436182879;jurov;gotta wait and see 1189224;1436182962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00053741 = 7.685 BTC [+] 1189225;1436183068;jurov;haha and vuze says "too large to be a torrent" 1189226;1436183159;jurov;apparetly my pr0n toolchain of choice is insufficient for this task 1189227;1436183202;mircea_popescu;heh 1189228;1436183214;mircea_popescu;maybe you should give that 10mb pdf a second look :D 1189229;1436183389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00054262 = 10.7439 BTC [+] 1189230;1436183408;punkman;http://250bpm.com/blog:50 1189231;1436183409;assbot;Finish your stuff - 250bpm ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0gwn5 ) 1189232;1436183548;kakobrekla;http://img.hihi.si/Upload/JPGc.png 1189233;1436183549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSfqjr ) 1189234;1436183652;jurov;kakobrekla: using "Ein Torrent"? 1189235;1436183701;kakobrekla;fellows screenshot, from twitter mega torrent 1189236;1436184000;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron http://dpaste.com/1NYN9VX kthx. 1189237;1436184005;assbot;dpaste: 1NYN9VX ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSg3te ) 1189238;1436184304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44913 @ 0.00053179 = 23.8843 BTC [-] {2} 1189239;1436184339;mircea_popescu;ok well since everyone thinks this so important ima have a machine contribute too, just fgor the seeding 1189240;1436184365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4269 @ 0.00052534 = 2.2427 BTC [-] 1189241;1436184425;kakobrekla;http://img.hihi.si/Upload/n3t4.png 1189242;1436184426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0hWha ) 1189243;1436184448;kakobrekla;useless. 1189244;1436184514;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJNmcVNUAAAiGZ2.png:large 1189245;1436184515;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0i3ta ) 1189246;1436184533;punkman;Passw0rd!! 1189247;1436184548;mircea_popescu;loller 1189248;1436184578;williamdunne;I'll give it a seed 1189249;1436184585;williamdunne;Anything interesting particularly yet? 1189250;1436184598;mircea_popescu;The latest Tweets from Christian Pozzi (@christian_pozzi): "We are closing down. Bye Saudi Arabia. You paid us well. Allahuhakbah." 1189251;1436184600;mircea_popescu;nothing much 1189252;1436184631;williamdunne;kakobrekla: I particularly like that it includes their router password 1189253;1436184893;williamdunne;Wonder if the source code is worth shit 1189254;1436184959;mircea_popescu;not unless you get amir taaki to "open source" it. 1189255;1436184979;punkman;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/05/the-women-who-secretly-keep-isis-running.html 1189256;1436184981;assbot;The Women Who Secretly Keep ISIS Running - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0iHab ) 1189257;1436185012;mircea_popescu;sexual slavery eh. 1189258;1436185030;williamdunne;Mmm struggling to find as much as a magnet link for this 1189259;1436185219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63766 @ 0.00051937 = 33.1181 BTC [-] {4} 1189260;1436185421;mircea_popescu;maybe magnet:?dn=Hacked+Team&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fcoppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&xt=urn%3Abtih%3AKFQDX74I4CQ3HOWTSYTBJF4JFHE5E2KV ? 1189261;1436185460;williamdunne;Awesome, thanks 1189262;1436185517;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189127 << kinda the way it goes neh ? project this large, be happy if you can get away with just one machine. 1189263;1436185517;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 05:19:08; decimation: yes, you basically have to devote a fulll machine to it 1189264;1436185522;shinohai;@ jurov did u manage to get the torrent yet? 1189265;1436185531;punkman;https://medium.com/@nweaver/extra-unofficial-xkeyscore-guide-b8513600ad24 1189266;1436185532;assbot;Extra Unofficial XKEYSCORE Guide — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSif40 ) 1189267;1436185541;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189129 << i'm not getting a load off him, what, that's what he got a wife for. 1189268;1436185541;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 05:20:41; cazalla: ben_vulpes, so you base an entire nation on the few you've met.. gee get a load of this racist 1189269;1436185641;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189139 << ideally tho, dpaste is used for stuff like encrypted sends, in lieu of mail (which i love tbh, who knew irc + gpg obsoletes email!) or else for stuff like deedbotting. or generally, for spurious useless shit. 1189270;1436185641;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 05:28:03; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it << srsly 1189271;1436185709;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189147 << honestly i'm kinda surprised usians even know what cousins ARE. 1189272;1436185709;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 05:35:37; ben_vulpes: (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) << generally just the girls 1189273;1436185762;mircea_popescu;"Yanis Varoufakis, Greece's embattled finance minister, has resigned his post," 1189274;1436185799;mircea_popescu;ah nm cazalla had it :p 1189275;1436185933;mircea_popescu;"It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms." 1189276;1436185938;mircea_popescu;eh fuck this guy. wtf is wrong with people. 1189277;1436185961;mircea_popescu;real reforms = raping "the needy" with a pointed stick. it is morally wrong to be needy and full fucking stop. 1189278;1436186012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64624 @ 0.00051488 = 33.2736 BTC [-] {2} 1189279;1436186036;jurov;shinohai: yes, it works wrt rtorrent, 1% done 1189280;1436186057;shinohai;Aweome jurov, that is a hefty dump for sure 1189281;1436186076;mircea_popescu;curious if any qntrable articles come out of this. 1189282;1436186115;jurov;will be in ~day 1189283;1436186250;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189168 << danielpbarron plox send the man a dozen pogos an' me the shipping bill. jurov send him an address. 1189284;1436186250;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 07:26:33; jurov: [20150706 01:30] btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped << yes davout offered but then went silent 1189285;1436186256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00051412 = 29.4077 BTC [-] {3} 1189286;1436186337;jurov;if it's shipped from murica maybe it's better to disassemble them, mark as "parts" so that customs aren't tempted to "fix" the declared price 1189287;1436186347;davout;o hey 1189288;1436186364;davout;wasn't it only friday? 1189289;1436186375;jurov;yes i immediately pm'd you never got a reply 1189290;1436186396;*;shinohai is eagerly waiting on his pogo to arrive this week. 1189291;1436186404;davout;i did take note, planning on sending them during the week 1189292;1436186420;mircea_popescu;davout never mind, gotta send more into yurp anyway 1189293;1436186428;mircea_popescu;keep yours, he's getting a fresh dozen 1189294;1436186434;davout;whatever arbeitet 1189295;1436186457;jurov;aha ok, thanks you all, send as many as you wish, i can forward them 1189296;1436186469;mircea_popescu;jurov we see how this goes. 1189297;1436186493;mircea_popescu;also you'll need ssds for 'em, best start collecting 1189298;1436186683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181850 @ 0.00051204 = 93.1145 BTC [-] {5} 1189299;1436186802;jurov;lol, collect ssds from scrap? 1189300;1436186833;mircea_popescu;i dunno. whatever works. but you'll want a dozen ssds to run a dozen pogos. 1189301;1436186869;davout;with a bit of luck you'll be at the other end of the classical reddit: "o, i dumped my hdd with over 9000 btc on it and now i'm shoveling through the landfill" 1189302;1436186917;jurov;oh. i was not under impression that i'll be running them all. but 4-5 can be defo arranged 1189303;1436186956;mircea_popescu;well whoever runs htem 1189304;1436186969;mircea_popescu;davout wouldn't that be something :D 1189305;1436186984;williamdunne;davout: That actually resulted in a small army of people shovelling through a landfill 1189306;1436187903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00053558 = 13.3895 BTC [+] 1189307;1436187964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22617 @ 0.00052932 = 11.9716 BTC [-] 1189308;1436187968;shinohai;http://recode.net/2015/07/05/forget-bitcoin-what-is-the-blockchain-and-why-should-you-care/ 1189309;1436187969;assbot;Forget Bitcoin — What Is the Blockchain and Why Should You Care? | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1HHgk1p ) 1189310;1436187972;shinohai;^Etherum lol 1189311;1436188269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18980 @ 0.00053793 = 10.2099 BTC [+] {2} 1189312;1436188330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5970 @ 0.00054468 = 3.2517 BTC [+] 1189313;1436188804;williamdunne;intheorium 1189314;1436188839;williamdunne;intheoreum 1189315;1436189296;shinohai;I like your name for it better williamdunne 1189316;1436189399;punkman;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102810291 1189317;1436189401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4ZW40 ) 1189318;1436189409;punkman;"European Parliament president: Need to urgently discuss humanitarian aid for Greece" 1189319;1436189427;punkman;food drops? 1189320;1436189442;williamdunne;shinohai: Can't take all the credit.. http://intheoreum.org/ 1189321;1436189443;assbot;InTheoreum ... ( http://bit.ly/1H502bP ) 1189322;1436189450;williamdunne;punkman: New Africa 1189323;1436189509;shinohai;> Bob controls a worldwide public record of all transactions and is provably arbitrary. We call this record, the Bobchain. 1189324;1436189520;shinohai;lolz 1189325;1436189550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00054893 = 19.2126 BTC [+] {2} 1189326;1436189566;punkman;"The only limit on what you can do with Intheoreum is Bob himself. The Bobchain is nothing more than a man in a room maintaining the state of the intheoreum network with Number 2 Pencil technology." 1189327;1436189737;williamdunne;Intheoreum 1.0 will uses a cutting edge client/server hybrid peer to peer model. Bob is simultaneously your slave and your master. Our testing phase is complete and the Bobchain is live. 1189328;1436189737;williamdunne;Just ask Bob if you can use it today. 1189329;1436189761;williamdunne;"As worldwide interest in the Intheorum network increases success may overwhelm Bob alone. Foreseeing this problem we are planning Inthereum 2.0 technology to incorporate JENNYCHAIN, TIMCHAIN, SALLYCHAIN technology." 1189330;1436189775;williamdunne;"Powered in Theory" 1189331;1436190038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114950 @ 0.00055498 = 63.795 BTC [+] {6} 1189332;1436190383;mod6;haha 1189333;1436190587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00055649 = 23.5117 BTC [+] 1189334;1436191014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.0005593 = 18.7366 BTC [+] {3} 1189335;1436191807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00055956 = 5.5396 BTC [+] {2} 1189336;1436192112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24151 @ 0.00055704 = 13.4531 BTC [-] 1189337;1436192295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055503 = 16.1236 BTC [-] {2} 1189338;1436192445;asciilifeform;364035 1189339;1436192475;asciilifeform;and interestingly, a node '-connect'-ed to that one, is wedged at 363954 for 12+ hours now! 1189340;1436192501;asciilifeform;these are running 100% identical 'stator' 1189341;1436192543;punkman;asciilifeform: does it sit there doing nothing while wedged? 1189342;1436192554;asciilifeform;punkman: no, megatonnes of tx garbage 1189343;1436192580;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/853da9c157c3a3129d72bdf4892949fb/tumblr_mttcnr7D0x1sjgtlbo1_1280.jpg 1189344;1436192582;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7tYZv ) 1189345;1436192591;punkman;http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/5-1935/type_mask.jpg 1189346;1436192592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7tYst ) 1189347;1436192713;asciilifeform;seeing many thousands of 'ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : nonstandard transaction type' also. 1189348;1436192755;asciilifeform;and also, as before, ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED 1189349;1436192820;asciilifeform;this appears to be the proximate cause of the wedge 1189350;1436192844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35168 @ 0.00055985 = 19.6888 BTC [+] {2} 1189351;1436193056;pete_dushenski;is anyone actively typing up a eulogy for varoufakis ? 1189352;1436193066;pete_dushenski;^cazalla BingoBoingo punkman ? 1189353;1436193077;pete_dushenski;if not, i'm there 1189354;1436193086;punkman;go ahead 1189355;1436193094;pete_dushenski;aite. 1189356;1436193145;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu that box really hasn't sufficient i/o to comfortably house phuctor and node. but i presently haven't any other place to put a node. 1189357;1436193145;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1189358;1436193165;mircea_popescu;is it a disk issue ? 1189359;1436193171;asciilifeform;almost certainly 1189360;1436193268;asciilifeform;and is anyone else experiencing a wedged 0.5.x node of the precise kind i have ? 1189361;1436193336;asciilifeform;because what i am seeing has every mark of an orchestrated attack against degavinated network, under the smoke cover of the ph0rk aftermath 1189362;1436193376;asciilifeform;atm i don't have access to a usable bitcoin node at all! 1189363;1436193474;asciilifeform;wtf does that thing even care about timestamps 1189364;1436193502;*;asciilifeform bbl 1189365;1436193734;williamdunne;asciilifeform: What marks would these be? 1189366;1436193878;williamdunne;Hmmm.... 1189367;1436193879;williamdunne;https://www.coinbase.com/network 1189368;1436193880;assbot; Bitcoin Network Stats - Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEFuwm ) 1189369;1436193895;williamdunne;0 Peers Connected 1189370;1436193895;williamdunne;17 available 1189371;1436194186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9898 @ 0.00055425 = 5.486 BTC [-] 1189372;1436194308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0005373 = 4.0835 BTC [-] 1189373;1436194674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00054907 = 4.2553 BTC [+] {3} 1189374;1436194725;scoopbot_revived;Eulora skills update http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-skills-update/ 1189375;1436194760;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189283 << should I take them out of original packaging to save space? and jurov send me address whenever, encrypted with my key if you like 1189376;1436194760;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 12:37:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189168 << danielpbarron plox send the man a dozen pogos an' me the shipping bill. jurov send him an address. 1189377;1436195004;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ideally take them apart and send them as parts he says 1189378;1436195007;mircea_popescu;but in any case yes. 1189379;1436195034;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform of course, if phuctor is this starved for io, would it be a good idea to move that thing to ssd ? maybe even raid ? 1189380;1436195046;danielpbarron;apart as in unscrew the plastic shell of each unit? 1189381;1436195047;mircea_popescu;i always thought ram and cpu are the constraints there 1189382;1436195064;mircea_popescu;i dunno what he meant o.O 1189383;1436195315;shinohai;http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/adult-preschool-charges-hipsters-to-take-naps-play-with-glitter-glue-1.3007745 1189384;1436195315;assbot;'Adult preschool' charges hipsters to take naps, play with glitter glue - Trending - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWb4iY ) 1189385;1436195513;shinohai;I should be so clever as to come up with ideas like this, to relieve redditors of their monies. 1189386;1436195763;mod6;haha 1189387;1436196579;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/2MQJ46C.txt 1189388;1436196580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fhaLKx ) 1189389;1436196580;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1189390;1436196586;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: and nice fix :) 1189391;1436196673;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla and yours ! http://dpaste.com/2FKAE48.txt 1189392;1436196674;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fhaVBN ) 1189393;1436196674;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1189394;1436196700;pete_dushenski;and with that, ima sign off for nao. ciao ! 1189395;1436197175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00053775 = 1.9999 BTC [-] 1189396;1436197834;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1189397;1436197836;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 278.01, Best ask: 278.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 278.13, 24 hour volume: 71997.83403132, 24 hour low: 262.2, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None 1189398;1436197846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21718 @ 0.00053775 = 11.6789 BTC [-] 1189399;1436197857;mircea_popescu;yeah, who needs vwap for anything. 1189400;1436197859;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1189401;1436199347;punkman;asciilifeform: wtf does that thing even care about timestamps << for adjusting difficulty 1189402;1436199405;ben_vulpes;punkman: shouldn't that be a function of the number of blocks since the last difficulty adjustment? 1189403;1436199487;kakobrekla;every 2016 blocks 1189404;1436199493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00054389 = 11.0682 BTC [+] {2} 1189405;1436199554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00054778 = 24.3214 BTC [+] {2} 1189406;1436199599;jurov;ben_vulpes: yes it is, but also time elapsed 1189407;1436199600;punkman;ben_vulpes: network needs to know how long it's been in human time since last retarget 1189408;1436199602;kakobrekla;speed is a function of time and distance, so you need to know how much time has passed in the 2016 blocks, right? 1189409;1436200205;*;ben_vulpes bows 1189410;1436200584;punkman;https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-July/000037.html 1189411;1436200585;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH4AMW ) 1189412;1436200711;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1189413;1436200713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11433 @ 0.00052855 = 6.0429 BTC [-] {2} 1189414;1436200774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10632 @ 0.00052055 = 5.5345 BTC [-] 1189415;1436200884;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189410 << arsebleed! 1189416;1436200884;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 16:36:24; punkman: https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-July/000037.html 1189417;1436200926;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189407 << probably should've been more specific - why does it matter if timestamp is 'too far in future' ? 1189418;1436200926;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 16:20:00; punkman: ben_vulpes: network needs to know how long it's been in human time since last retarget 1189419;1436200983;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189377 << don't lose the steel plate that sits under the pcb - it's the only heatsink 1189420;1436200983;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 15:03:24; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ideally take them apart and send them as parts he says 1189421;1436201031;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189379 << not sure if it's solely disk, or also net, as of this moment. and simply getting 2nd box may be more cost-effective. 1189422;1436201031;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 15:03:54; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course, if phuctor is this starved for io, would it be a good idea to move that thing to ssd ? maybe even raid ? 1189423;1436201087;punkman;ascii_field:rejects too far in the future because it wants to keep "network time" within some bounds 1189424;1436201122;ascii_field;seems like logical thing to do would be to accept the block but not move the local epoch time if the block's time is an outlier ? 1189425;1436201140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00051493 = 9.2172 BTC [-] {2} 1189426;1436201203;punkman;ascii_field: not sure what you mean with "but not move the local epoch time" 1189427;1436201234;*;ascii_field possibly needs caffeine 1189428;1436201262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138856 @ 0.00054257 = 75.3391 BTC [+] {5} 1189429;1436201369;punkman;relevant code: https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/main.cpp#L1346 and https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/util.cpp#L823 1189430;1436201371;assbot;real-bitcoin/main.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH6YmO ) 1189431;1436201373;assbot;real-bitcoin/util.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH6YDd ) 1189432;1436201567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00055948 = 10.9099 BTC [+] 1189433;1436202360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00056184 = 26.2379 BTC [+] {5} 1189434;1436202372;ben_vulpes;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html << I don't know why the conservatives with all their hate for welfare programs aren't pro-free-contraception 1189435;1436202376;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH9CsN ) 1189436;1436202384;ben_vulpes;excellent long term cost reduction strategy imho 1189437;1436203069;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1189438;1436203085;ascii_field;in other nyooz, my portable test node is synced. 1189439;1436203345;mats;https://github.com/hackedteam/rcs-backdoor/blob/master/lib/rcs-backdoor/backdoor.rb#L180 1189440;1436203346;assbot;rcs-backdoor/backdoor.rb at master · hackedteam/rcs-backdoor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHcmpO ) 1189441;1436203454;ascii_field;l0l!! 1189442;1436203458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42346 @ 0.00056446 = 23.9026 BTC [+] {3} 1189443;1436203460;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's your seeder IP again? 1189444;1436203474;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: this one is behind a nat atm 1189445;1436203478;ben_vulpes;aha. 1189446;1436203485;ascii_field;the other one is at nosuchlabs.com 1189447;1436203495;ascii_field;but wasn't synced last i saw 1189448;1436203511;ascii_field;mats: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1189254 1189449;1436203511;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 12:15:59; mircea_popescu: not unless you get amir taaki to "open source" it. 1189450;1436203517;ascii_field;looks like ^ happened, aha 1189451;1436203518;ben_vulpes;stuck on a particular block, or still syncing? 1189452;1436203525;ascii_field;block 1189453;1436203531;mats;ain't the net a grand place? 1189454;1436203748;ascii_field;https://github.com/hackedteam/core-linux/blob/master/melter/src/main.c << debian rootkit ? 1189455;1436203749;assbot;core-linux/main.c at master · hackedteam/core-linux · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdB8H ) 1189456;1436203777;ascii_field;https://github.com/hackedteam/core-linux/tree/master/melter/lib/packages << diddled ssl ? 1189457;1436203779;assbot;core-linux/melter/lib/packages at master · hackedteam/core-linux · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdEkS ) 1189458;1436203782;ascii_field;too many lulz 1189459;1436203812;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: do cli flags get auto-munged into bitcoin.conf flags? 1189460;1436203830;ascii_field;https://github.com/hackedteam/GeoTrust << sign yer driverz! 1189461;1436203832;assbot;hackedteam/GeoTrust · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdKc0 ) 1189462;1436203836;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: whaddayamean 1189463;1436203858;ben_vulpes;take your myip flag - is that automagically a .conf file option as well? 1189464;1436203876;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: iirc 1189465;1436203877;ascii_field;try 1189466;1436203898;ben_vulpes;will 1189467;1436203913;ascii_field;gotta love how the morons had their private keys thrown to the wind 1189468;1436204111;ascii_field;gotta also love the clean, well-commented (italian!) cpp 1189469;1436204114;trinque;good morning all 1189470;1436204120;ascii_field;not some sp4mz0r, just a normal software co. 1189471;1436204125;ascii_field;they just happen to write turdware for usg. 1189472;1436204226;ben_vulpes;stator syncing 1189473;1436204235;*;ben_vulpes is late to the party. again. 1189474;1436204241;trinque;anyone know offhand if armv5tel-softfloat is the appropriate arch for pogo? 1189475;1436204246;ben_vulpes;but perhaps fashionably so? 1189476;1436204251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61022 @ 0.00056481 = 34.4658 BTC [+] {3} 1189477;1436204272;trinque;if not, we'll find out I suppose shortly 1189478;1436204286;ben_vulpes;does anyone know at a high level how nginx does the "swap binary while running" trick? 1189479;1436204300;ben_vulpes;trinque: is that info missing from asciilifeform's post to the ml? 1189480;1436204305;ben_vulpes;"pogotronic" iirc 1189481;1436204310;*;ben_vulpes to mu 1189482;1436204312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113316 @ 0.00056775 = 64.3352 BTC [+] {6} 1189483;1436204320;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh I can look, just poking your caches first 1189484;1436204336;trinque;I tried building stator with arm-linux-gnueabi and it segfaults on the pogo 1189485;1436204341;trinque;*cross-compiling, that is 1189486;1436204360;trinque;trying to get some repeatable builds going for arm 1189487;1436204366;ben_vulpes;neato 1189488;1436204368;ben_vulpes;ty 1189489;1436204391;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189474 << yes 1189490;1436204391;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 17:37:21; trinque: anyone know offhand if armv5tel-softfloat is the appropriate arch for pogo? 1189491;1436204396;trinque;ty 1189492;1436204397;ascii_field;this is in 'portatronic' 1189493;1436204423;ascii_field;the buildroot gives you the complete toolchain you need, independently from that of the box you're on 1189494;1436204428;ascii_field;i recommend using that 1189495;1436204474;trinque;k 1189496;1436204487;ascii_field;gotta be little-endian armv5 1189497;1436204492;ascii_field;or will barf spectacularly 1189498;1436204537;ascii_field;(for the exact instruction set supported, see the marvell datasheet posted ~6 mo. ago.) 1189499;1436204610;ben_vulpes;http://wiki.nginx.org/CommandLine#Upgrading_To_a_New_Binary_On_The_Fly 1189500;1436204611;assbot;CommandLine - Nginx Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHg4Qh ) 1189501;1436204617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.0005698 = 48.376 BTC [+] {2} 1189502;1436204808;ascii_field;https://github.com/hackedteam/vector-ipa/tree/master/src << quality wifi mitm-er 1189503;1436204809;assbot;vector-ipa/src at master · hackedteam/vector-ipa · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHgGpk ) 1189504;1436205776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00056706 = 15.9344 BTC [-] 1189505;1436206135;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1189506;1436206174;ascii_field;anyone who sees a 'martian' version number from nosuchlabs public node, please don't be alarmed. running an experiment today, to determine whether we are being corralled by gavinists using advertised version constant 1189507;1436206575;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: if you liked clements tall tales, you might get a kick out of Glynn-Ward's "Glamour of British Columbia" 1189508;1436206583;ascii_field;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/28440452/ << interesting 1189509;1436206584;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1M83QNX ) 1189510;1436206598;ascii_field;^ re: block timestamping 1189511;1436206735;ben_vulpes;"The English come out and travel through, knowing all about everything beforehand, as the English always do; and, having set standards, they compare the Fraser to the Thames (former too wide) and the Selkirks to the Cotswolds (former too high). They get out to spend a day or so at Lake Louise or Jasper, then get into the train again and stay there till they reach Vancouver. Then they go back to England and give vague lectures in town 1189512;1436206735;ben_vulpes;halls, about "great open spaces" and "the need for a population." But they know nothing of the real British Columbia. 1189513;1436206761;ascii_field;so i'm nearly certain that the timestamp ~2h epoch time window is the reason for wedged 0.5.x nodes, at this point 1189514;1436206780;ben_vulpes;The Americans come, with plenty of money, and stay at the much-advertised hotels, gulping down the Rockies in predigested doses, thenrace through in a Pullman car to the next big hotel on the coast. And how can they know anything of the province? 1189515;1436206790;kakobrekla;>but I can't fake the hashing power it needs to 1189516;1436206791;kakobrekla;generate one year's worth of hashes. < isnt this one year actually 10 min ? 1189517;1436206822;ben_vulpes;The little Jap who, laughing up and down his sleeve goes cheerfully about his business in a gas-boat up the coast, or picks out the best small-fruit land in the country; the ubiquitous Chinaman, steadily cornering all the loose cash in the land -- of a surety these two know more of British Columbia than most white men! 1189518;1436206833;ascii_field;kakobrekla: ^ if there were no record of the early blocks - then yes 1189519;1436206877;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: fascinating! what gears are failing to mesh here? 1189520;1436206945;kakobrekla;>you won't gain much by lying to your peers since your block won't be 1189521;1436206946;kakobrekla;accepted < like miners care 1189522;1436206952;kakobrekla;bah fuckin line breaks 1189523;1436206996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00056597 = 11.4326 BTC [-] {2} 1189524;1436207040;ben_vulpes;Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained that these two men had to be 1189525;1436207040;ben_vulpes;supplied -- and it was getting late in the autumn. 1189526;1436207103;ben_vulpes;So C. B. at once set off north again witha pack-train of sixty-eight horses. He had no very great hope of being able to make his destination before the hard weather came on, but he traveled with all the speed possible, to get over the worst places on the trail before ths first snow fell. But as ill-luck would have it, it began to snow one night just as he came to the rock ledges where the going was bad at the best of times. It snowed 1189527;1436207103;ben_vulpes;all next day and the following night without any let-up. 1189528;1436207150;ben_vulpes;Every now and then a horse would miss its footing and go over, sometimes into the rushing river below, to be lost forever. Then it froze, and the going was hopeless. One by one the horses slipped and went down until it was impossible to go onward. C. B. shrugged his shoulders and altered his plans. 1189529;1436207159;ben_vulpes; 1189530;1436207199;ben_vulpes;Those supplies had to be delivered to the men patiently waiting for them at the far end of the trail, So he cached the supplies, hoiseted as many carcases of the dead horses as possible into trees where the wolves could not get them, and went all the way back to Hazelton to get dog-teams. 1189531;1436207210;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: ??? 1189532;1436207275;ben_vulpes;(almost done, ascii_field) 1189533;1436207301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.00055906 = 4.2159 BTC [-] {2} 1189534;1436207313;punkman;ascii_field: see also http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html 1189535;1436207314;assbot;culubas: Timejacking & Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJPzK3 ) 1189536;1436207314;ben_vulpes;Again he started out, this time with a hundred and twenty-eight dogs, and when he came to the place where he had turned back, he was able to feed the dogs on dead horse-meat, and so get through to the cabin where to two men were waiting. But on the return trip, the going was heavy and slow and he found that the worlves had reached the cache of horse-meat and finished it up, so the dogs were short of food and though he killed one after 1189537;1436207315;ben_vulpes;another to feed the rest, they weakend and died on the trail. 1189538;1436207344;ben_vulpes;So it was that C. B. returned to Hazelton afoot, limping into the hotel one snowy night in midwinter, "broke to the wide", but otherwise unconcerned. 1189539;1436207356;ben_vulpes;"Oh, well, I had the contract, and I had to fill it!" And that was all he said. 1189540;1436207396;ben_vulpes;^^ the wot at work. ridiculous numbers aside, we tell stories of heroic deeds performed in service of the papers we sign. 1189541;1436207413;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character? 1189542;1436207413;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1189543;1436207423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33103 @ 0.00055826 = 18.4801 BTC [-] 1189544;1436207764;hdbuck;hello mircea_popescu, just passing by to say thx for the rating 1189545;1436207792;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: are blocks from headers-only miners coming out with timestamps too far in the future? 1189546;1436207796;jurov;ben_vulpes: nginx prolly just exec()s itself 1189547;1436207814;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i do not yet know the answer to this 1189548;1436207849;ben_vulpes;jurov: there's a bit more than that. did you read my subsequent link? 1189549;1436207859;ben_vulpes;there's a whole sig* song and dance. 1189550;1436207911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00055339 = 1.8799 BTC [-] 1189551;1436208009;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1189552;1436208017;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out it was the epoch time 1189553;1436208018;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1189554;1436208107;ascii_field;in other news, give my regards to http://dreyfus.umiacs.umd.edu 1189555;1436208108;assbot;dreyfus.umiacs.umd.edu ... ( http://bit.ly/1M88g7G ) 1189556;1436208110;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: how'd you run it down? 1189557;1436208139;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: moved it by hand 1189558;1436208148;ascii_field;this is a rather worrisome discovery 1189559;1436208157;ben_vulpes;"it" << specifically? 1189560;1436208171;ascii_field;(not the umd box. though betcha it belongs to the umd scamlab) 1189561;1436208173;ascii_field;the epoch thing 1189562;1436208189;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/main.cpp#L1347 << this? 1189563;1436208190;assbot;real-bitcoin/main.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1M88uLT ) 1189564;1436208206;ascii_field;aha 1189565;1436208231;ben_vulpes;is this a direct result of headers only mining? 1189566;1436208281;ascii_field;i had the box set to my local time instead of gmt 1189567;1436208291;ben_vulpes;awut 1189568;1436208309;ascii_field;but what this means is that no, the thing won't correct for clock offset 1189569;1436208313;ascii_field;it will just silently cough blood 1189570;1436208331;ben_vulpes;blee. so block validation relies on some absolute coordinated time? 1189571;1436208344;ben_vulpes;jesus shit. we'll have to run our own ntp cluster next. 1189572;1436208354;mircea_popescu;myeap. 1189573;1436208355;ascii_field;if |your_epoch - block_epoch| > 2hour then lose 1189574;1436208366;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i could have told you that 1189575;1436208370;mircea_popescu;sadly, was eating. 1189576;1436208382;ben_vulpes;node has been wedged for more than a lunch iirc 1189577;1436208386;ascii_field;i knew the basic fact of. but given as the box displayed correct wall time, did not think of it 1189578;1436208398;ascii_field;had to check by hand 1189579;1436208399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00055682 = 25.6416 BTC [+] {2} 1189580;1436208409;ascii_field; date +%s 1189581;1436208424;ascii_field;amazing that it ever worked 1189582;1436208424;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1189583;1436208458;kakobrekla;'your_epoch' is 'network-adjusted time' isnt it 1189584;1436208473;ascii_field;kakobrekla: theoretically, epoch time is 'one for all of us, like victory' 1189585;1436208479;ascii_field;normally gmt. 1189586;1436208489;kakobrekla;>A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you. 1189587;1436208498;kakobrekla;this suggests otherwise ? 1189588;1436208501;ascii_field;but since i refuse to run ntp on the box, i ended up setting date manually when i was given it 1189589;1436208506;ascii_field;and this, turns out, moved epoch time! 1189590;1436208510;ascii_field;instead of merely moving offset 1189591;1436208513;ben_vulpes;blee 1189592;1436208557;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that 1189593;1436208568;ascii_field;also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today 1189594;1436208569;assbot;Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1M89Bet ) 1189595;1436208573;mircea_popescu;how the fuck we ended up with this situation where diff machiens have unequal times is beyond me 1189596;1436208598;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it was intended to work as you stated above 1189597;1436208604;mircea_popescu;i know. 1189598;1436208647;ben_vulpes; also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today << eeeheuhe 1189599;1436208648;assbot;Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1M89Bet ) 1189600;1436208657;ben_vulpes;i actually think setting version to $maxint is a pretty great idea. 1189601;1436208675;mircea_popescu;it really makes very little difference 1189602;1436208675;ben_vulpes;why advertise version instead of just responding to network messages? 1189603;1436208682;mircea_popescu;if you mined and set the block version to maxint it might. 1189604;1436208723;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it doesn't make a practical difference, but it pins a pointless magic variable at its "infinity" value, in the zero, one infinity mapping. 1189605;1436208731;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i brought up this point before. asked mircea_popescu why we insist on making it so easy for gavinists to wall off our net from the rubes. iirc mircea_popescu said 'fuck them all' 1189606;1436208772;ben_vulpes;imho there are 3 things to be done 1189607;1436208781;ben_vulpes;1 be "honest" advertise some "version" 1189608;1436208797;ben_vulpes;2 be stealthy, advertise whatever "version" is "current" with the shitgnomes 1189609;1436208816;ben_vulpes;3 say "fu this shit is wrong and stupid", set version to $maxint 1189610;1436208832;*;ascii_field favours 3 and stated this some time ago 1189611;1436208842;ben_vulpes;i'm coming around. 1189612;1436208865;ben_vulpes;perhaps should be configgable for stealth in production. 1189613;1436208875;ben_vulpes;trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested. 1189614;1436208879;kakobrekla;i dont see how maxint is better than '0' except for the pride parade 1189615;1436208886;ascii_field;they could still attempt to filter, but it would have to be an open declaration of war. something the gavinists are rather averse to 1189616;1436208914;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: there's logic in even the RI codebase that does derpy shit if version numbers are below some critical value. 1189617;1436208935;ascii_field;aha 1189618;1436208955;ben_vulpes;ergo we can only ratchet forward. like evolution. 1189619;1436208956;kakobrekla;wait , and you want this to remain in? 1189620;1436208970;ben_vulpes;it is *live on the network* 1189621;1436208972;ascii_field;kakobrekla: which 'this' ? 1189622;1436208973;ben_vulpes;has nothing to do with our codebase. 1189623;1436209005;kakobrekla;ascii_field special low version logic 1189624;1436209012;ascii_field;kakobrekla: fact is, if one of our nodes says 'ver 0', everyone it connects to will throw turds in its face 1189625;1436209014;kakobrekla;it doesnt make sense to even use that 1189626;1436209022;ascii_field;kakobrekla: ~other people~ use it 1189627;1436209024;ben_vulpes;hehe turds 1189628;1436209032;kakobrekla;we care for other people now ? 1189629;1436209040;trinque;the thing's a network after all... 1189630;1436209045;ascii_field;kakobrekla: when we move to alpha centauri with own miners - we can stop 1189631;1436209063;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: actually this bears testing too. 1189632;1436209070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27294 @ 0.00054821 = 14.9628 BTC [-] {2} 1189633;1436209081;ben_vulpes;"does a node with version == 0 fail to sync?" 1189634;1436209104;*;ben_vulpes can barf up this patch sometime this week if not beaten to punch 1189635;1436209115;ben_vulpes;configgable patch, that is. 1189636;1436209129;ben_vulpes;because recompiling bitcoin to set its version number is fucking retarded. 1189637;1436209131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23256 @ 0.00052653 = 12.245 BTC [-] 1189638;1436209143;*;ben_vulpes also suspects that alf is holding this patch in abeyance 1189639;1436209144;kakobrekla;also try empty value while you are at it 1189640;1436209153;*;jurov votes for ver. num. 1337 1189641;1436209159;trinque;heh! 1189642;1436209168;ben_vulpes;8007135 1189643;1436209176;ben_vulpes;8008135 1189644;1436209190;ascii_field;when we get own planet, with own miners, then - all the solipsism you like 1189645;1436209202;ascii_field;until then, we get wedged nodes and other joys 1189646;1436209213;ben_vulpes;wait, wedge is related to version number? 1189647;1436209225;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: speaking here of block ver constant 1189648;1436209242;ascii_field;the other one appears to only affect 'phone books', which i'm not even certain matter 1189649;1436209257;ascii_field;(other than the low ver. corner cases mentioned earlier) 1189650;1436209272;kakobrekla;eh block ver doesnt not even matter until you can produce a block 1189651;1436209333;ascii_field;the epoch thing is a more pressing matter 1189652;1436209338;ascii_field;POGO HAS NO RTC CLOCK 1189653;1436209342;ascii_field;^^^^ 1189654;1436209375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00052595 = 13.5169 BTC [-] {2} 1189655;1436209380;ben_vulpes;myeah i'm troubled. 1189656;1436209436;punkman;pogo can use something like https://github.com/ioerror/tlsdate 1189657;1436209437;assbot;ioerror/tlsdate · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8cf44 ) 1189658;1436209457;punkman;or regular ntp 1189659;1436209460;ascii_field;punkman: ssl ? no thx 1189660;1436209481;ascii_field;not to mention that ANY AND ALL hardcoded addrs ~will~ be targets 1189661;1436209486;ben_vulpes;ascii_field:and why no ntp? 1189662;1436209488;ascii_field;every bit as bad as ntp 1189663;1436209492;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: because 100% usg 1189664;1436209507;ascii_field;hitler literally has a button that can set it to whatever. 1189665;1436209512;trinque;could you use the same sort of logic ntpd does against block timestamps? 1189666;1436209534;ascii_field;trinque: ~which~ blocks 1189667;1436209542;ascii_field;any and all turds that claim to be blocks ? 1189668;1436209553;ascii_field;this is a catch-22, realize 1189669;1436209557;trinque;seems you'd have to trust at least one node 1189670;1436209558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16854 @ 0.00053798 = 9.0671 BTC [+] 1189671;1436209560;trinque;yeah I do 1189672;1436209570;ascii_field;part of block validation is 'is the timestamp <2h from now' 1189673;1436209577;ascii_field;as discussed earlier in this thread 1189674;1436209608;punkman;"[OPEN] Reimplement NTP" 1189675;1436209618;kakobrekla;but time now is also determined by your peers 1189676;1436209618;ben_vulpes;hyu 1189677;1436209623;ascii_field;^ without centralization 1189678;1436209634;ascii_field;this is, incidentally, a much harder problem than the invention of bitcoin 1189679;1436209800;punkman;"Revenue from new accounts : 0 BTC" oh noes 1189680;1436209806;punkman;is this a first? 1189681;1436209849;ascii_field;perhaps the day finally came when everyone who could ever afford it - has bought 1189682;1436209876;punkman;!up ascii_field 1189683;1436209884;trinque;so there's "network adjusted time" right? 1189684;1436209892;trinque;that's already just the median time of the peers you know 1189685;1436209905;ascii_field;trinque: realize that this can be manipulated by the enemy 1189686;1436209909;ascii_field;to be whatever the fuck he wants 1189687;1436209915;ascii_field;just by sybiling your node 1189688;1436209927;trinque;sure 1189689;1436209941;trinque;I don't see a way of getting the time that *doesn't* suffer from that 1189690;1436209957;ascii_field;there ~is~ the way of having a working clock 1189691;1436209959;trinque;aside from having been set by me, using my cesium clock, then running on battery with an RTC thereafter 1189692;1436209960;ascii_field;but we don't have one. 1189693;1436209964;trinque;yeah 1189694;1436209978;ascii_field;even a $1 rtc chip, the kind found on old pc mobos, would suffice 1189695;1436209982;ascii_field;but we don't have even this. 1189696;1436210014;trinque;ascii_field: does not seem there's any sense in continuing on trying to do something distributed without an rtc 1189697;1436210037;ascii_field;trinque: realize that without pogo, you're paying literally 10+ TIMES more per node. 1189698;1436210081;ascii_field;the only solution i can presently think of is a variant of ntp over gossipd. 1189699;1436210093;ascii_field;that, or external physical rtc. 1189700;1436210177;punkman;solder rtc to serial interface? 1189701;1436210188;ascii_field;punkman: who wants to do this? you ? 1189702;1436210193;ascii_field;go, solder. 1189703;1436210199;trinque;surely there's a tiny USB rtc 1189704;1436210201;*;trinque is googling 1189705;1436210209;ascii_field;trinque: yes. costs about what the pogo does 1189706;1436210220;trinque;that's less than 10x 1189707;1436210228;ascii_field;'measely' 2x 1189708;1436210473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00056838 = 15.1757 BTC [+] {2} 1189709;1436210618;jurov;have we fixed the peer selection? if peers are to be configured manually, they are trustworthy enough to fetch time from, no? 1189710;1436210656;trinque;jurov: that was my thought. 1189711;1436210733;trinque;but then I suppose that suffers from attacks against the routing involved to get to that IP 1189712;1436210755;trinque;hence gossipd 1189713;1436210783;trinque;incidentally I have found tinc to be rather fucking nice for p2p networking 1189714;1436210808;jurov;okay, but line must be drawn somewhere 1189715;1436210840;jurov;i can't imagine what would have to be done if you expect your own pipe to be utterly hostile 1189716;1436210844;trinque;I dunno any additional complexity is "cheaper" than the extra 25 bucks or w/e for the clock 1189717;1436210852;ascii_field;jurov: realize that, at the moment, we do not have separate code for servicing peers you added manually vs ones dredged up from the seedlist 1189718;1436210919;ascii_field;and yes, i expect the pipe to be maximally hostile 1189719;1436210956;ascii_field;but more than anything, i expect that any centralized points of failure ~will~ be usgized 1189720;1436211022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51977 @ 0.00056989 = 29.6212 BTC [+] {5} 1189721;1436211064;trinque;this tlsdate thing is hilarious 1189722;1436211088;ascii_field;trinque: aha, just when i thought that nothing could be more retarded than ntp 1189723;1436211165;trinque;there's a github repo out there for everything 1189724;1436211169;*;trinque finds lunch 1189725;1436211183;ascii_field;the time problem has to be solved 1189726;1436211188;ascii_field;WITHOUT doing retarded things 1189727;1436211195;trinque;so you don't like the outboard rtc? 1189728;1436211200;ascii_field;no. 1189729;1436211202;punkman;the parasitic timestamp fetching is not a bad idea though 1189730;1436211203;ascii_field;because - again - cost 1189731;1436211212;ascii_field;punkman: again, no 1189732;1436211216;ascii_field;every bit as bad as ntp! 1189733;1436211219;ascii_field;uses servers! 1189734;1436211221;trinque;$50 does not seem prohibitive, but k 1189735;1436211231;ascii_field;trinque: 50 is almost TRIPLE the cost of a pogo 1189736;1436211245;trinque;was going off "double" and including pogo 1189737;1436211255;trinque;but in either case 1189738;1436211261;ascii_field;a solution that HALVES our fleet is ispo facto retarded! 1189739;1436211270;ascii_field;picture an admiral agreeing to lose 'only half' of his fleet 1189740;1436211277;trinque;sure sure 1189741;1436211291;trinque;but actual cost of a vessel is not yet determined 1189742;1436211292;punkman;what fleet 1189743;1436211300;trinque;maybe without the rtc it's a leaky boat 1189744;1436211319;trinque;but anyhow, could be retarded, sure 1189745;1436211348;*;trinque will ponder the mysteries of pogotime over food matter 1189746;1436211357;ascii_field;even if the thing had a battery-backed otc, there would remain the question of how to set it 1189747;1436211375;ascii_field;but it doesn't. 1189748;1436211388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53197 @ 0.00057204 = 30.4308 BTC [+] {3} 1189749;1436211435;ascii_field;i am reaching the conclusion that: to the extent bitcoin relies on political time AT ALL, it is broken. 1189750;1436211447;ben_vulpes;ascii_field:-connect means "ultimately trusted". 1189751;1436211449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00055261 = 6.4379 BTC [-] 1189752;1436211463;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: there wouldn't be any '-connect' on pogo net 1189753;1436211471;ascii_field;given that it turns your node into a boat anchor 1189754;1436211478;ascii_field;(no one can connect to it) 1189755;1436211516;ascii_field;it'd have to warm up with a few 'addnode's pointing to working boxes, to run at all, yes 1189756;1436211535;ascii_field;but given as the protocol has no authentication, these could vomit forth literally anything 1189757;1436211597;ben_vulpes;i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated. 1189758;1436211624;kakobrekla; trinque: 50 is almost TRIPLE the cost of a pogo < if you dont include ssd you dont have a working node 1189759;1436211643;ascii_field;kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop 1189760;1436211645;ben_vulpes;i must derp my ass down the coast now, however. 1189761;1436211649;jurov;i'm eyeing 64GB SSDs for 36 euro 1189762;1436211667;punkman;ben_vulpes: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1189265 regarding GPG-diddler automation 1189763;1436211667;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 12:25:31; punkman: https://medium.com/@nweaver/extra-unofficial-xkeyscore-guide-b8513600ad24 1189764;1436211676;jurov;should last 2 years, hoepfully then there will be sth much cheaper 1189765;1436211730;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field 1189766;1436211747;jurov;i don't have anything around to rip 1189767;1436211749;kakobrekla;ascii_field> kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop < maybe that is true for you and me but not the majority i dont think 1189768;1436211783;ascii_field;kakobrekla: even so, it is a bog-standard consumer product and could be obtained with massive bulk discount if we were to try in earnest 1189769;1436211792;ascii_field;the rest of the system - no 1189770;1436211813;kakobrekla;china usb rtc in bulk 5$? 1189771;1436211814;jurov;for example eeepcs had 8/19G SSDs, not suitable 1189772;1436211821;ascii_field;and presently, i am failing to turn up usb rtc modules for any price on mass market 1189773;1436211826;ascii_field;the ~20 usd figure came out of my arse 1189774;1436211831;ascii_field;based on component cost 1189775;1436211860;ascii_field;kakobrekla: if you know of one, plz link 1189776;1436211883;kakobrekla;i was chicomfying your turd only 1189777;1436211893;jurov;ssd business is so brisk, i doubt very much there will be significant bulk discounts 1189778;1436211903;kakobrekla;i agree 1189779;1436211937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00057267 = 5.3545 BTC [+] 1189780;1436211982;ascii_field;"errors" : "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range \nCInv::GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n" 1189781;1436211984;jurov;or $20 only fake 4G chips 1189782;1436211985;ascii_field;^ interesting 1189783;1436211989;jurov;marked as 64 1189784;1436212024;*;shinohai wants to start a pogo bitnode factory, ensure domination of therealbitcoin 1189785;1436212037;ascii_field;... and the node is 2 blocks ahead of 'blockchain.info' 1189786;1436212070;ascii_field;shinohai: good luck obtaining so much as ONE system-on-chip for the prototype 1189787;1436212079;ascii_field;i've been trying for ~6 months and could not. 1189788;1436212087;shinohai;T_T 1189789;1436212110;ascii_field;it appears to be utterly impossible to obtain the key components outside of cn 1189790;1436212114;punkman;ascii_field: I think that error means node is sending you command only present in later nodes 1189791;1436212115;ascii_field;and tw 1189792;1436212126;ascii_field;punkman: well, yes. but ~which~ 1189793;1436212132;kakobrekla;bc info seems sorta down 1189794;1436212142;punkman;need mega-debug-sanity patch 1189795;1436212159;ascii_field;works here 1189796;1436212161;*;kakobrekla fuckin hates the days when he has to worry about britneychain 1189797;1436212172;kakobrekla;the chain is down, not site 1189798;1436212174;ascii_field;and shows that the gavinists are busy bees, stuffing the britneychain full of liquid shit 1189799;1436212192;jurov;http://www.dx.com/p/ds1302-real-time-clock-module-blue-151999#.VZrNH5R9zmE and plenty of others there 1189800;1436212193;assbot;DS1302 Real Time Clock Module - Blue - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1J164vA ) 1189801;1436212214;ascii_field;jurov: NOT USB !!!! 1189802;1436212235;ascii_field;unless you'd like to personally solder these to all 5,000 theoretical pogos 1189803;1436212238;ascii_field;for free 1189804;1436212251;jurov;*shrug*. so? throw usbserial chip in? 1189805;1436212256;ascii_field;'throw' 1189806;1436212259;ascii_field;want to solder ? 1189807;1436212261;*;trinque waves hands 1189808;1436212295;ascii_field;just opening that plastic box is already adding more labour cost than everything we previously considered to be involved in setup put together 1189809;1436212307;jurov;surely there are monkeys around that can solver that 1189810;1436212312;jurov;*solder 1189811;1436212312;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189592 < this 1189812;1436212312;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 18:49:17; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that 1189813;1436212312;decimation; actually happens on linux as I understand. there's a thing 1189814;1436212312;decimation; called CLOCK_MONOTONIC 1189815;1436212312;decimation; http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3523442/difference-between-clock-realtime-and-clock-monotonic 1189816;1436212313;assbot;linux - Difference between CLOCK_REALTIME and CLOCK_MONOTONIC? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1J16jXw ) 1189817;1436212326;decimation;sorry for the munged spacing :( 1189818;1436212350;ascii_field;jurov: involving ~any~ monkey at all is astronomically outside of what we expected the cost to be. 1189819;1436212361;trinque;jurov: I have no slave monkeys that can solder 1189820;1436212383;ascii_field;right now, our pictured supply chain looks like 'any pogo -> any ethernet jack' 1189821;1436212400;ascii_field;if there is 'monkey' in between those, add many times the cost in transportation at the least. 1189822;1436212404;ascii_field;dead end. 1189823;1436212420;jurov;yes. and you so like to paint yourself into corner 1189824;1436212422;ascii_field;jurov probably noticed that just moving one of these from america to europe doubles the cost. 1189825;1436212449;punkman;"[OPEN] Reimplement pogo in chinese" 1189826;1436212453;jurov;http://www.dx.com/p/usb-to-ttl-cp2102-serial-module-red-309988#.VZrOeJR9zmE maybe even no soldering is required, just wire this to rtc module 1189827;1436212454;assbot;USB to TTL CP2102 Serial Module - Red - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1J16tOH ) 1189828;1436212461;decimation;why not write a lightweight client that gets the time from trusted bitcoind node network? 1189829;1436212470;ascii_field;decimation: because bitcoin doesn't use crypto 1189830;1436212476;ascii_field;there is no such thing as a 'trusted node' 1189831;1436212485;decimation;no, but latest block? 1189832;1436212490;ascii_field;circular logic 1189833;1436212497;ascii_field;whether a block can be 'latest' depends on local time! 1189834;1436212502;decimation;not if multiple nodes are queried 1189835;1436212509;ascii_field;sybils 1189836;1436212518;decimation;myeah 1189837;1436212547;decimation;if you actually want to keep time offline it's not gonna be cheap or easy 1189838;1436212572;jurov;then you painted yourself to a corner and need tiny webserver for user to set time manually 1189839;1436212574;danielpbarron;jurov mircea_popescu sent 1189840;1436212578;jurov;or some such 1189841;1436212583;decimation;what's wrong with usg timeservers? 1189842;1436212592;jurov;danielpbarron: how many? 1189843;1436212603;ascii_field;jurov: not sure if it is so much of a corner. perhaps it is possible to get a 'good enough' picture of political time via some clever means 1189844;1436212610;decimation;no need to run ntp, just ask for time once 1189845;1436212620;ascii_field;thing needs time every time it powers up 1189846;1436212621;danielpbarron;jurov, enough "parts" to make 12 1189847;1436212624;decimation;so? 1189848;1436212629;decimation;it asks for tiem when it powers up 1189849;1436212631;jurov;wow, thanks 1189850;1436212633;decimation;plenty of shit does that 1189851;1436212651;ascii_field;plenty of shit gets owned to pieces 1189852;1436212653;jurov; that's not clever enough for alf 1189853;1436212666;decimation;lol so you are gonna get diddled time? 1189854;1436212674;ascii_field;i fully expect it 1189855;1436212683;danielpbarron;a few of the inner plastic clips got cracked in the de-shelling process but they should still click back together no problem 1189856;1436212688;ascii_field;but more prosaically, ddosed servers 1189857;1436212704;decimation;okay if we are taking it that level, then you really need non-network time 1189858;1436212713;decimation;gps, shortwave, longwave, etc 1189859;1436212731;decimation;maybe it can come with a plug-in sextant? 1189860;1436212739;ascii_field;l0l gps time 1189861;1436212746;ascii_field;jammed for sport as we speak 1189862;1436212748;trinque;some way of signaling current time via invalid transactions? 1189863;1436212752;ascii_field;by fuck knows how many folks 1189864;1436212771;decimation;fine, glosnass, galileo 1189865;1436212775;ascii_field;same 1189866;1436212779;ascii_field;and no signature 1189867;1436212820;ascii_field;i am looking forward to hearing of some answer other than soldering iron or gossipd 1189868;1436212830;ascii_field;mircea_popescu awake ? 1189869;1436212839;decimation;or use WWVB and/or DCF77 and whatever else 1189870;1436212846;punkman;slavegirl must post signed timestamp every 10 minutes? 1189871;1436212853;ascii_field;decimation: quickest way to make sure any kid can set your clock to whatever he wants 1189872;1436212860;ascii_field;is to use un-rsasigned radio ! 1189873;1436212864;decimation;lol 1189874;1436212900;decimation;alright, apparently we need a #b-a radio clock transmitter too 1189875;1436212911;jurov;and if we have rsa-signed time, usg will pwn or jam that too 1189876;1436212914;ascii_field;and now we've turned bitcoin into a centralized turd 1189877;1436212922;ascii_field;as jurov points out. 1189878;1436212945;decimation;it was already such a turd, we are just trying to find out what to do about it 1189879;1436212950;ascii_field;aha. 1189880;1436212991;ascii_field;probably the only Right Thing (tm) solution is to somehow cleanse bitcoin of its dependence on wall time entirely 1189881;1436212992;decimation;if we are this paranoid about it, the only solution I can think of is to ship a separate box with an ethernet port 1189882;1436212997;trinque;ascii_field: what's wrong with the idea of signaling via specially crafted txn? 1189883;1436213010;ascii_field;trinque: crafted how ? 1189884;1436213013;decimation;that serves time via ntp server and has a push-button input on the front panel 1189885;1436213016;ascii_field;and what is the thing to do until it hears it ? 1189886;1436213029;ascii_field;decimation: gonna ship a gigabit switch also? 1189887;1436213035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13392 @ 0.00056806 = 7.6075 BTC [-] 1189888;1436213036;decimation;can be 10/100 1189889;1436213046;ascii_field;and now you've throttled the pogo to 10/100 1189890;1436213054;ascii_field;and who will produce magic box? martians? 1189891;1436213078;jurov;well.. nuke the time-related checks altogether? 1189892;1436213089;trinque;ascii_field: the script itself could be both properly signed and invalid right? 1189893;1436213096;trinque;could you encode the time into it? 1189894;1436213106;trinque;and consider certain addresses a valid source of time? 1189895;1436213116;ascii_field;jurov: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189534 1189896;1436213116;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 18:28:33; punkman: ascii_field: see also http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html 1189897;1436213125;decimation;I find the magic box unneeded when I can get rsa signed time from a variety of places via ntp 1189898;1436213139;ascii_field;trinque: who will encode? what time ? 1189899;1436213150;ascii_field;back to a magic public key a la gavin ? 1189900;1436213168;ascii_field;decimation: the point is that these 'places' are central points of failure, and are even now controlled by the enemy 1189901;1436213195;decimation;not really, nearly every non-orc (and some orc) governments and institutions have ntp 1189902;1436213203;ascii_field;the point i've been trying to make is ~not~ 'let's all go eat our pistols' but that the entire fiction of political time is poisonous when applied to bitcoin 1189903;1436213204;decimation;not sure about the signed part though, need to look into that 1189904;1436213221;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeh 1189905;1436213222;ascii_field;decimation: there is no ability to authenticate what you get from ntp connection 1189906;1436213231;trinque;ascii_field: yeah, I think that is the only possible way to avoid having a magic central something 1189907;1436213239;punkman;you can't have bitcoin without human time. meat rots. 1189908;1436213270;trinque;having bitcoin disregard time, which I'm sure has all kinds of implications around when you may consider a given block valid 1189909;1436213276;decimation;you can sign time with rsa in ntp http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config-adv.htm 1189910;1436213279;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgToKN ) 1189911;1436213283;ascii_field;decimation: who gets to sign ? 1189912;1436213289;trinque;bitcoin jesus of course 1189913;1436213293;ascii_field;hitler? me? mircea_popescu? 1189914;1436213297;decimation;sure 1189915;1436213302;ascii_field;any and all choices are terrible 1189916;1436213304;decimation;if they all give the same time, they are probably not lying 1189917;1436213323;ascii_field;if they all give the same time, it is probably because hitler killed the others and took their keys 1189918;1436213325;trinque;is the problem reducible to "all pogos agree on the time" ? 1189919;1436213337;ascii_field;trinque: within +/- 2h 1189920;1436213340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29346 @ 0.00055261 = 16.2169 BTC [-] 1189921;1436213343;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189615 << eh get out. 1189922;1436213343;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:46; ascii_field: they could still attempt to filter, but it would have to be an open declaration of war. something the gavinists are rather averse to 1189923;1436213357;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189613 << quite exactly. 1189924;1436213357;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:35; ben_vulpes: trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested. 1189925;1436213427;trinque;ascii_field: and then going down that route, anyone can diddle his pogo soon as it's in hand 1189926;1436213435;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189646 < nah 1189927;1436213435;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:00:13; ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number? 1189928;1436213450;ascii_field;^ see log. i determined that it is entirely on account of epoch time 1189929;1436213493;ascii_field;trinque: adjusting anything whatsoever on pogo is nontrivial for a 'civilian' 1189930;1436213502;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189680 <<< i think so 1189931;1436213502;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:10:06; punkman: is this a first? 1189932;1436213522;punkman;mazel tov 1189933;1436213608;trinque;so this decentralized ledger thing requires centralized time 1189934;1436213610;trinque;fascinating. 1189935;1436213616;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189717 << i have no idea why the 2nd set would even exist. 1189936;1436213616;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:27:32; ascii_field: jurov: realize that, at the moment, we do not have separate code for servicing peers you added manually vs ones dredged up from the seedlist 1189937;1436213625;mircea_popescu;why is pogo connecting to anything but good nodes again ? 1189938;1436213633;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1189939;1436213636;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1189940;1436213646;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field 1189941;1436213651;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there is presently no mechanism for 'pull blocks ONLY FROM THESE' 1189942;1436213656;ascii_field;there is only 'addnode' and 'connect' 1189943;1436213666;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1189944;1436213666;ascii_field;the latter turns the node into a kind of boat anchor while active 1189945;1436213669;ascii_field;(no one can connect TO it) 1189946;1436213678;mircea_popescu;well... 1189947;1436213680;ascii_field;the former treats the added ip as equal in status to those dug up from dirt 1189948;1436213698;ascii_field;but in ~both~ cases there is no protection from mitm 1189949;1436213730;trinque;anybody ever looked at tinc as a starting place for a gossipd? 1189950;1436213742;trinque;does p2p networking over RSA keys 1189951;1436213775;ascii_field;author in wot ? 1189952;1436213801;decimation;time is already centralized in the sense that we are all spinning on the same planet 1189953;1436213803;ascii_field;and why would i want to bridge nets 1189954;1436213815;decimation;the question is merely 'who do you trust to tell you the correct phase of rotation' 1189955;1436213828;punkman;http://www.tinc-vpn.org/documentation-1.1/Libraries.html#Libraries uses openssl 1189956;1436213828;assbot;tinc Manual: Libraries ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgUvtT ) 1189957;1436213838;ascii_field;punkman: ~barf~ 1189958;1436213840;trinque;kinda like that bitcoin thing 1189959;1436213924;trinque;or if the set of things which exist does not contain the thing desired, there you have it. 1189960;1436213926;punkman;what if you could do like tlsdate over ssh, you just dial random IPs at ssh port, get buncha timestamps 1189961;1436213960;ascii_field;punkman: 'pogo' has no rng... 1189962;1436213970;mike_c;block hash is rng 1189963;1436213972;ascii_field;so doing anything 'randomly' will be problematic. 1189964;1436213979;ascii_field;mike_c: when you have no blocks ? 1189965;1436213988;ascii_field;(upon unboxing) 1189966;1436214034;mike_c;i was trying to think of some way to use the block hash to determine "who" you ask for timestamps, but the list of "who" is unknowable/proveable.. ends up in the same place. 1189967;1436214049;mike_c;time sucks. 1189968;1436214059;ascii_field;mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. 1189969;1436214060;ascii_field;'fried ice' 1189970;1436214092;punkman;fried ice cream is a thing 1189971;1436214096;trinque;ascii_field: is it +/- 2hrs or is it no more than 2hrs in the future? 1189972;1436214101;decimation;if lizard hitler pwn's everyone's ntp servers, I think we all have bigger problems than block time epoch in bitcoin 1189973;1436214107;trinque;you can of course accept a block from the past 1189974;1436214110;ascii_field;decimation: it isn't an 'if' 1189975;1436214112;trinque;why does this matter? 1189976;1436214115;ascii_field;this is who owns them ~now~ 1189977;1436214145;ascii_field;because right now, hitler has, essentially, a button that makes just about the whole btc network shit its pants 1189978;1436214150;trinque;say I though a block from last year at your node, I don't see why it would matter that your clock is set to tomorrow 1189979;1436214150;ascii_field;i would like this to ~not~ be the case 1189980;1436214151;mike_c;but if they muck with ntp they'll break themselves too 1189981;1436214166;trinque;vs if you are set to yesterday and I give you a block from tomorrow 1189982;1436214177;decimation;ascii_field: but that would come at the cost of fucking *all clocks for all users* 1189983;1436214188;ascii_field;decimation: other users might not even notice 1189984;1436214191;ascii_field;if it is done briefly 1189985;1436214207;ascii_field;they will get apologies and a coupon for free blowjob at community whorehouse 1189986;1436214213;mike_c;markets break over the stupid leap second 1189987;1436214216;decimation;converable to dollars? 1189988;1436214224;ascii_field;zimbabwe dollars 1189989;1436214238;decimation;essentially there isn't such a thing as p2p time 1189990;1436214248;decimation;for whatever reason nobody has thought to scratch that itch 1189991;1436214251;ascii_field;only in so far as proof-of-work can be used 1189992;1436214256;ascii_field;is there a notion of p2p time. 1189993;1436214282;decimation;right, but that requires a trusted way to ask a bitcoind "what's the timestamp of the last verified block' 1189994;1436214327;decimation;in the existing network, I suspect 99% of the miners are using ntpd traceable to some usg organ 1189995;1436214343;ascii_field;and the 1% - .cn 1189996;1436214350;decimation;aye 1189997;1436214359;decimation;who knew that we needed a #b-a astronomer 1189998;1436214362;trinque;anyone clear on whether it's +/- 2hrs or what I said? 1189999;1436214368;ascii_field;but we already established that miners are clinically retarded 1190000;1436214370;*;trinque goes to inspect the function which does this 1190001;1436214404;decimation;ascii_field: I wonder if satoshi thought that these nodes would be anonymous? 1190002;1436214416;decimation;rather than the blatent centralizing points that they actually are? 1190003;1436214435;mircea_popescu;he thought that everyone will run one and so it'll be too noisy to follow them. 1190004;1436214453;mircea_popescu;because humanity is humanitarian and similar windows-powered bullshit. 1190005;1436214477;ascii_field;^^ 1190006;1436214486;decimation;yeah, seems legit 1190007;1436214518;*;decimation puts 'celesial navigation' on the library list 1190008;1436214523;ascii_field;did nobody ever discuss the time thing? i have trouble believing this 1190009;1436214531;mircea_popescu; markets break over the stupid leap second << no they don't. 1190010;1436214550;decimation;it's come up a couple of times here, but not in the context of the 2h epoch 1190011;1436214690;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189820 << well, and some "follow this text file with instructions for the software part". but yes. 1190012;1436214690;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:53:03; ascii_field: right now, our pictured supply chain looks like 'any pogo -> any ethernet jack' 1190013;1436214694;mircea_popescu;and this is mportant. 1190014;1436214704;ascii_field;aha 1190015;1436214763;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189839 << well done ty. 1190016;1436214763;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:56:14; danielpbarron: jurov mircea_popescu sent 1190017;1436214850;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189862 << you know there COULD be something here. 1190018;1436214850;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:59:08; trinque: some way of signaling current time via invalid transactions? 1190019;1436214856;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189541 << pretty much nada. 1190020;1436214856;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 18:30:13; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character? 1190021;1436214862;mircea_popescu;just as long as we put THE REAL TIME as a txn in every block, pogos can be fine 1190022;1436214874;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: my objection was 'uses magic key' 1190023;1436214882;mircea_popescu;so it does. there's no way out,. 1190024;1436214889;pete_dushenski;"6 July 04:00: A new fork occurred starting 5 July at 21:30 with three blocks before the valid chain again became the strongest chain." 1190025;1436214889;ascii_field;there's gotta be a way out. 1190026;1436214912;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski will the lulz never cease. 1190027;1436214917;ascii_field;l0l!! 1190028;1436214918;pete_dushenski;"Reports that the situation has passed are not correct. Please continue to wait 30 more confirmations than you usually would wait before accepting a transaction." 1190029;1436214940;trinque;the message processing story in bitcoin is a shitshow 1190030;1436214948;*;trinque digs further 1190031;1436214950;mircea_popescu;very useful, this network that takes 5 hours to confirm txn 1190032;1436214952;pete_dushenski;please to see "list of forks" https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2015-07-04-spv-mining#list-of-forks 1190033;1436214953;assbot;Some Miners Generating Invalid Blocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgWwpR ) 1190034;1436214954;mircea_popescu;thanks power rangers! 1190035;1436214987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00055396 = 4.3209 BTC [+] 1190036;1436214996;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189880 << this isn't possible. 1190037;1436214996;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 20:03:11; ascii_field: probably the only Right Thing (tm) solution is to somehow cleanse bitcoin of its dependence on wall time entirely 1190038;1436215003;pete_dushenski;*megazord tips his cap* 1190039;1436215011;trinque;maybe I'm an idiot, but I feel like you only get so many if statements per function.. 1190040;1436215031;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: why so certain that impossible ? 1190041;1436215059;trinque;"disconnect if we connected to ourself" << LOL 1190042;1436215071;mircea_popescu;because bitcoin is secured by mining which happens irl and the difficulty of mining is set on the basis of irl entropy. 1190043;1436215072;trinque;put your dick down, bitcoin 1190044;1436215075;mircea_popescu;this is not a fully virtual system 1190045;1436215092;ascii_field;why couldn't the difficulty be set based on accumulated work ? 1190046;1436215095;pete_dushenski;http://dorkshelf.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads//2014/05/600-power-rangers-comic-cluckster.png << eerily relevant : "time to wipe smile off that goofy clock's face" 1190047;1436215100;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgWM8k ) 1190048;1436215100;mircea_popescu;nope 1190049;1436215103;ascii_field;(yes, it would end up climbing monotonically...) 1190050;1436215111;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't make any further sense. 1190051;1436215137;ascii_field;the reward could still follow the same asymptotic 1190052;1436215148;ascii_field;assuming that nuclear war doesn't send us back to cpu mining 1190053;1436215264;ascii_field;'Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining...' << can haz network without 50% hash power belonging to diagnosable retarded folks plz ??!! 1190054;1436215293;decimation;does SPV mining really give you that much 'edge'? It seems dubious to me 1190055;1436215341;ascii_field;as (i think it was) mircea_popescu pointed out, it looks like the miners have not been sufficiently darwined yet 1190056;1436215351;jurov;estimated time to fully verify a block is 20 seconds 1190057;1436215356;ascii_field;and need a couplea catastrophic megadeaths 1190058;1436215364;jurov;;;calc 20/600 1190059;1436215364;gribble;0.0333333333333 1190060;1436215367;ascii_field;to help their collective iq move into the double digits at least 1190061;1436215370;jurov;3% advantage 1190062;1436215383;pete_dushenski;huge. 1190063;1436215392;ascii_field;jurov: let me guess, nobody's written a multicore verifier ? 1190064;1436215401;trinque;ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/stator-lcov/bitcoin/bitcoin/src/main.cpp.gcov.html << line #1265 appears to check for being in the future, not past 1190065;1436215413;jurov;even if multicore, there's still i/o 1190066;1436215424;trinque;so why can't my node's time just be far-future? 1190067;1436215427;ascii_field;jurov: on my measurements, it's almost entirely cpu-bound 1190068;1436215435;trinque;is this a worthwhile experiment? 1190069;1436215437;ascii_field;trinque: because then you can be attacked in various ways 1190070;1436215449;decimation;I wonder if someone could make money by 'brokering' txns on behalf of miners 1190071;1436215450;trinque;ascii_field: making me eat lots of invalid blocks? 1190072;1436215459;ascii_field;http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html ( linked earlier ) 1190073;1436215460;assbot;culubas: Timejacking & Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ezxqkc ) 1190074;1436215475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22280 @ 0.00053981 = 12.027 BTC [-] {2} 1190075;1436215494;trinque;!up ascii_field 1190076;1436215538;ascii_field;incidentally, does anyone else suspect that cn miners, on account of their microscopic profit margins, are ripe for usgization ? 1190077;1436215575;ascii_field;'you can make engineer's wages doing what you're doing. or you can do exactly same thing, but use spv and give us root, and your swiss account will grow by 100k/mo.' 1190078;1436215615;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-07-2015#1187499 << see also 1190079;1436215615;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 22:28:31; mircea_popescu: anyway, the main sufferance in my head atm is that reading the chinese stuff (in translation) clarifies in my head an objection that may well be a second major flaw to the protocol, after the "relay nodes gotta do it for the glory" : its altogether unclear a purely financial incentive is the correct solution for miners. 1190080;1436215683;mircea_popescu;of course they are. 1190081;1436215809;ascii_field;these folks' time horizon is perhaps... 2 weeks long ? 1190082;1436215830;ascii_field;i suppose all the 'proper confucians' with millenium-long time cocks are employed as colonels in pla or whatnot 1190083;1436215835;ascii_field;and not mining 1190084;1436215889;ascii_field;seems like collectively chinese see bitcoin the same way they saw crimea 1190085;1436215893;ascii_field;a place to farm to death, to the bedrock 1190086;1436215897;ascii_field;and leave 1190087;1436215901;ascii_field;like locusts 1190088;1436215902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00052881 = 18.2968 BTC [-] 1190089;1436215987;pete_dushenski;"ONE MILLION new lines of code hit Linux Kernel 4.2 rc1" 1190090;1436216023;ascii_field;go read, l0l 1190091;1436216029;pete_dushenski;"Most of those new lines of code come from “the new amd gpu register description header”, code that Torvalds says comprises “41 per cent of the entire patch” and has created a “... somewhat odd situation where a single driver is about half of the whole rc1 in number of lines.”" 1190092;1436216030;ascii_field;(probably mostly mods) 1190093;1436216079;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in fairness that's how they saw china too 1190094;1436216083;ascii_field;aha 1190095;1436216086;mircea_popescu;which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis 1190096;1436216095;ascii_field;who hasn't seen the rivers (literally) of toxic sludge 1190097;1436216103;ascii_field;the 'gutter oil' restaurants, etc 1190098;1436216239;punkman;https://www.bitpremier.com/5-real-estate/1570-luxury-villa-greece-kalamata-4025-sqm 1190099;1436216240;assbot;BitPremier — Luxury Villa, Kalamata, Greece ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgYNS6 ) 1190100;1436216346;punkman;I don't even want to know how much tax the owner is paying on that 1190101;1436216588;mircea_popescu;ascii_field gotta be a lot of magic numbers 1190102;1436216962;thestringpuller;d00d. why do I have to wait 30 confirmations?!? 1190103;1436217063;punkman;"We all got access to C. Pozzi's GPG key! https://paste.debian.net/279527/  #hackedteam" 1190104;1436217064;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rh0teo ) 1190105;1436217078;thestringpuller;ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node? 1190106;1436217231;scoopbot_revived;Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis Resigns in Failure http://qntra.net/2015/07/greek-finance-minister-varoufakis-resigns-in-failure/ 1190107;1436217305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45981 @ 0.00051916 = 23.8715 BTC [-] 1190108;1436217366;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1190109;1436217427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3852 @ 0.00051916 = 1.9998 BTC [-] 1190110;1436217549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14428 @ 0.00051911 = 7.4897 BTC [-] 1190111;1436217730;punkman;pete_dushenski: "in which Greek citizens refused to accept austerity measures" in case it wasn't clear, the referendum question was "do you like this deal? answer yes or no". and the next deal won't be much different either. 1190112;1436217768;pete_dushenski;i imagine you're right 1190113;1436217787;pete_dushenski;all that 'dignity' and yet no bread on the table 1190114;1436218281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00051916 = 8.6181 BTC [+] 1190115;1436218651;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo seems that the "yanis gaming industry" link was added twice in the same (3rd) paragraph 1190116;1436218830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59917 @ 0.00051916 = 31.1065 BTC [+] {2} 1190117;1436218920;BingoBoingo;Ah 1190118;1436218968;BingoBoingo;it works 1190119;1436219124;punkman;6th or 7th finance minister in 5 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid_Tsakalotos 1190120;1436219125;assbot;Euclid Tsakalotos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQwmnf ) 1190121;1436219187;punkman;;;ticker 1190122;1436219189;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 274.96, Best ask: 274.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 274.98, 24 hour volume: 56638.18757788, 24 hour low: 267.33, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None 1190123;1436219196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7120 @ 0.00052881 = 3.7651 BTC [+] 1190124;1436219200;punkman;;;ba,bull 1190125;1436219200;gribble;Error: "ba,bull" is not a valid command. 1190126;1436219207;punkman;;;bc,bull 1190127;1436219208;gribble;Next Price Estimate: 302.489 | Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 24 seconds 1190128;1436219297;BingoBoingo;;;bc,bear 1190129;1436219299;gribble;Next Price Estimate: 219.968 | Next Price In About 3 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds | It's tanking! 1190130;1436219474;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1190131;1436219502;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190105 << plz see today's log 1190132;1436219502;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:18; thestringpuller: ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node? 1190133;1436219515;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190103 << already censored 1190134;1436219515;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:03; punkman: "We all got access to C. Pozzi's GPG key! https://paste.debian.net/279527/  #hackedteam" 1190135;1436219585;ascii_field;speaking of which, i've often thought of adding an 'i know a private key!' box to phuctor 1190136;1436219623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00053521 = 4.8169 BTC [+] 1190137;1436219657;punkman;ascii_field: maybe better place for that in new keyserver? 1190138;1436219713;pete_dushenski;;;nethash 1190139;1436219714;gribble;396177655.034 1190140;1436219723;pete_dushenski;c'mon 400 ! 1190141;1436220176;BingoBoingo;stator up to 248926 1190142;1436220336;mod6;333k+ 1190143;1436220343;ascii_field;punkman: keyserver is presumably for use as a keyserver, rather than place to hang the severed heads of pwned folks ? 1190144;1436220448;ascii_field;incidentally, for anyone who missed, the public node is working and synced 1190145;1436220452;ascii_field;and go, connect to it. 1190146;1436220469;ascii_field;195.211.154.159 1190147;1436220624;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu please consider posting your blkxxxx which encompass the two most recent forks 1190148;1436220624;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1190149;1436220632;ascii_field;i would like to compare it with mine. 1190150;1436220802;BingoBoingo;Ah, public node has maxversion 1190151;1436220827;shinohai;I am *so close* to 350k 1190152;1436221109;TomServo;Ahoy all, just wanted to pass long: my 0.5.3 node is humming along, currently reporting blockheight 364171. 1190153;1436221119;TomServo;If that's of any significance. 1190154;1436221298;BingoBoingo;cool 1190155;1436221758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5118 @ 0.00053983 = 2.7628 BTC [+] 1190156;1436221892;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111974.msg0;boardseen#new 1190157;1436221894;assbot;HOT! Domain BTC .CO.DE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5bYeL ) 1190158;1436221906;shinohai;^ 10 BTC is steep for a domain name, but I like it 1190159;1436222067;kakobrekla;here i replied https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111974.msg11808524#msg11808524 1190160;1436222068;assbot;HOT! Domain BTC .CO.DE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk5WAt ) 1190161;1436222074;pete_dushenski;"CoinbaseAdrian 30 points an hour ago* : Sorry guys, we're looking into this. It appears to be an issue with our network provider (Cloudflare). We have an urgent ticket open with them and I'll update here with any details." << response to coinbase being offline 1190162;1436222208;danielpbarron;;;later tell asciilifeform I get a segmentation fault http://danielpbarron.com/blkcut.txt 1190163;1436222209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk6aHJ ) 1190164;1436222209;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1190165;1436222673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12608 @ 0.00051911 = 6.5449 BTC [-] {2} 1190166;1436222898;pete_dushenski;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cbuq1/im_the_author_of_the_bitcoin_revolution_an/ << oh travis tequilahead, how the mighty "thought leader" has fallen. you've stumbled from writing on your own blog to hacking up scamdesk, and now all the way down to the very bottom of the barrel with reddit. all in the course of, what, 2 weeks ? 1190167;1436222899;assbot;I'm the author of The Bitcoin Revolution: An Internet of Money and founder of Diginomics, Ask Me Anything! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5e12x ) 1190168;1436223036;pete_dushenski;"SuperSecretTech: How many bitcoin do you own?" TravisPatron: Not as many as I would like." 1190169;1436223047;pete_dushenski;and so it will always be, travis. so it will always be. 1190170;1436223105;pete_dushenski;looking forward to seeing tequilahead becoming the 8th greek finance minister in 5 years. 1190171;1436223110;pete_dushenski;they deserve each other. 1190172;1436223112;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189808 << can attest to this having opened 12 in a row today, although it goes sorta smoothly once you get the hang of it 1190173;1436223112;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:51:35; ascii_field: just opening that plastic box is already adding more labour cost than everything we previously considered to be involved in setup put together 1190174;1436223128;TomServo;pete_dushenski: Didja find a way to boot OpenBSD on the edgerouter from USB or are you using the nfs boot option? 1190175;1436223193;pete_dushenski;TomServo i found another computer with a serial port that actually talked to the serial cable i have. the usb adapter i bought was b0rked. 1190176;1436223260;pete_dushenski;using just rj45 to db9 1190177;1436223397;TomServo;But last I read booting OpenBSD required booting over the network, rather than install on the USB drive due to lack of a USB driver 1190178;1436223656;pete_dushenski;first you unplug the usb drive from inside the edgerouter, plug it into your computer, install openbsd on it, unpack it, reinstall the drive in the edgerouter, establish a serial connection, and start talking. 1190179;1436223664;pete_dushenski;!up aabtc 1190180;1436223687;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/06/us-boston-bombings-trial-idUSKCN0PG26R20150706 << "death to america" y'know... unless you wanna appeal your death sentence 1190181;1436223688;assbot; Boston Marathon bomber files motion seeking new trial| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk7MBn ) 1190182;1436223690;trinque;fuck that kid. 1190183;1436223838;TomServo;pete_dushenski: Ah cool, I'll give it a go. Thanks. 1190184;1436223859;pete_dushenski;np! 1190185;1436223898;*;pete_dushenski is pleased that his amateurishness is of use to anyone ever. 1190186;1436223930;pete_dushenski;or i should say, my tragedishness 1190187;1436223955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00052669 = 7.9004 BTC [+] 1190188;1436224178;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Win response http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/trading/uks-fca-issues-warning-against-bitcoin-brokers-bit4x-and-venetfx/ 1190189;1436224180;assbot;UK’s FCA Issues Warning Against Bitcoin Brokers Bit4X and VenetFX | Finance Magnates ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5gnhI ) 1190190;1436224259;kakobrekla;thats superold 1190191;1436224272;kakobrekla;but yeah, wouldnt it? 1190192;1436224287;pete_dushenski;you'd think so. 1190193;1436224442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00052008 = 10.6356 BTC [-] 1190194;1436224917;danielpbarron;!up slikers 1190195;1436224991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00052669 = 18.2761 BTC [+] 1190196;1436224995;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188147 << now that you mention it, it occurs to me that my 0.7.2 node had been fully synched (until the recent wedge) running on a single 5400 rpm drive and 8 gigs of ram 1190197;1436224995;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 11:33:19; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << in my experience, you can use spinning rust if you throw in 8GB RAM 1190198;1436225184;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188174 << it's a +1 ! those usually come with "details" like "fresh blood" 1190199;1436225184;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 12:18:42; mats: too light on actual details imo 1190200;1436225459;decimation;pete_dushenski: I thought that openbsd didn't support the usb storage driver for edgerouter 1190201;1436225470;decimation;if you are saying otherwise than that is good 1190202;1436225540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25884 @ 0.00052669 = 13.6328 BTC [+] 1190203;1436225933;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190162 << please consider modifying the proggy to print running block count, so i can try to replicate 1190204;1436225933;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 22:36:48; danielpbarron: ;;later tell asciilifeform I get a segmentation fault http://danielpbarron.com/blkcut.txt 1190205;1436225984;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190196 << it is very, very easy to use almost arbitrarily slow disk if you have ram for the kernel to cache it with 1190206;1436225984;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 23:23:15; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188147 << now that you mention it, it occurs to me that my 0.7.2 node had been fully synched (until the recent wedge) running on a single 5400 rpm drive and 8 gigs of ram 1190207;1436226000;asciilifeform;on pogo we very much have no such thing 1190208;1436226007;asciilifeform;need pretty much 100% of ram for logic 1190209;1436226040;asciilifeform;which is why i'd like to banish the block index to disk. so that the 128m of ram can be freed up to cache disk ~as required~ 1190210;1436226077;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i did my 'edgerouter' by building on pc and copying to the stick, yes 1190211;1436226138;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190150 << not sure if this is technically correct - there is, i think, room for another leading '9' ! 1190212;1436226138;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 22:13:22; BingoBoingo: Ah, public node has maxversion 1190213;1436226150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34133 @ 0.00052669 = 17.9775 BTC [+] 1190214;1436226274;asciilifeform;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/22/us-usa-new-york-parachute-idUSKBN0P229M20150622 << mega-l0l 1190215;1436226275;assbot; Three men convicted in parachute jump from New York's 1 World Trade Center| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5k8Ur ) 1190216;1436226327;asciilifeform;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/30/us-usa-maryland-swing-idUSKCN0PA2XC20150630 << moar l0l 1190217;1436226328;assbot; Death of Maryland boy pushed in swing for three days ruled homicide| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5keLE ) 1190218;1436226500;scoopbot_revived;Another Post BIP 66 Fork Dies after 3 Blocks http://qntra.net/2015/07/another-post-bip-66-fork-dies-after-3-blocks/ 1190219;1436226646;BingoBoingo;^ Hypothesis on one resolution path posited 1190220;1436226847;trinque;asciilifeform: #2 sounds like another case of bad psych meds 1190221;1436226946;coderwill;definitely not funny 1190222;1436227351;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/0A0tU 1190223;1436227352;assbot;its_bitney_bitch comments on How far behind are we due to the "stress test"? ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5m3Z9 ) 1190224;1436227375;pete_dushenski;decimation took some fiddling but i made it happen :) 1190225;1436227499;decimation;pete_dushenski: ah that's good news 1190226;1436227507;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cd4nd/unless_all_major_miners_begin_mining_with_fully/ 1190227;1436227508;assbot;Unless all major miners begin mining with fully validating node software... users of the latest versions of "Bitcoin Core" are at risk of finding themselves Altcoiners : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fiHTl5 ) 1190228;1436227508;decimation;now the question is: how bad is the routing performance 1190229;1436227535;pete_dushenski;decimation that's still tbd on my end. perhaps asciilifeform can comment ? 1190230;1436227547;asciilifeform;wai wut 1190231;1436227550;asciilifeform;comment on what 1190232;1436227572;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo bahahhaa omfg that's sweet. 1190233;1436227587;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform edgerouter routing performance 1190234;1436227618;decimation;running openbsd. I thought ascii had been using netbs 1190235;1436227625;asciilifeform;freebsd 1190236;1436227627;decimation;ah 1190237;1436227648;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo "The second fork persisted from 21:50 through to 23:40 on July 5th, 2015" << should include blockheight, neh ? 1190238;1436227665;decimation;given the proprietary kernel used by the edgerouter in its linux variant 1190239;1436227669;pete_dushenski;decimation aha. my bsd mistake 1190240;1436227675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19488 @ 0.00052093 = 10.1519 BTC [-] 1190241;1436227676;asciilifeform;routes at something quite like line speed; 1190242;1436227686;asciilifeform;100% uptime since i first plugged it in 1190243;1436227710;asciilifeform;ditto for their radio 'ufo', which i bitched about but then got 'openwrt' running on it 1190244;1436227712;decimation;interesting. I didn't see any updates on openbsd saying that the nfs turd was no longer needed 1190245;1436227712;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Haven't seen people talking blockheight. Really as fragile as the thing is atm fuckers ruined my dreams of blockheight as "canonical" measure of time 1190246;1436227732;decimation;pete_dushenski: I assume you are still using the stock uboot which ascii suspects? 1190247;1436227757;decimation;unfortunately blockheight is only a solid concept in retrospect 1190248;1436227783;asciilifeform;chainph0rk never prospers, for the reason, that if it prospers, none dare call it treason (tm) (r) 1190249;1436227783;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo hm. ya. fair nuff. 1190250;1436227803;decimation;asciilifeform: one could verify that one has the correct time by observing occultations 1190251;1436227820;asciilifeform;? 1190252;1436227827;decimation;of the moon and other bodies http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/iotandx.htm 1190253;1436227828;assbot;IOTA Main Table of Contents ... ( http://bit.ly/1fiJ2cy ) 1190254;1436227831;pete_dushenski;decimation stock uboot ? << me thinks so, yes. 1190255;1436227842;asciilifeform;decimation: my pogo didn't come with a gimbal telescope; did yours ? 1190256;1436227845;decimation;watching bodies pass in front of other bodies 1190257;1436227874;decimation;no, but the question is: who do you trust to tell you the time? 1190258;1436227887;asciilifeform;entirely separate problem from the one we have 1190259;1436227905;decimation;time (for the moment) still derived from the earth's rotation around the sun (and date by its orbit) 1190260;1436227914;decimation;err rotation about its axis I mean 1190261;1436227921;asciilifeform;epoch time is more related to cesium time 1190262;1436227931;asciilifeform;(which is the actual iso std) 1190263;1436227946;decimation;sure but that's why we have leap seconds 1190264;1436227947;*;asciilifeform is aware of the 'leap second' bullshit 1190265;1436227986;decimation;point being, someone derives time (the iers) from astronomy, sets the cesium, and broadcasts it 1190266;1436227996;asciilifeform;unrelated: folks competing for mircea_popescu's 1 btc prize for therealbitcoin callgraph can strike 'egypt' utility off the list. it is a worthless pile of shit, which produces worthless piles of shit (at least for cpp proggy) 1190267;1436228030;asciilifeform;the other thing is that we DON'T NEED A DYNAMIC CALLGRAPH FOR ANYTHING !!!! 1190268;1436228034;asciilifeform;at least ~i~ don't 1190269;1436228056;asciilifeform;which means that 'gprof' callgraph is out 1190270;1436228066;decimation;probably valgrind 'callgrind' too 1190271;1436228073;asciilifeform;as is kcachegrind, openpat, amd's codeanalyst, and makeppgraph. 1190272;1436228081;asciilifeform;leaving - afaik - NOTHING at all. 1190273;1436228100;decimation;note that there are plenty of tools that would work for C 1190274;1436228103;decimation;not for C++ 1190275;1436228104;asciilifeform;useless here 1190276;1436228106;asciilifeform;aha 1190277;1436228115;decimation;another reason why C++ sucks 1190278;1436228129;asciilifeform;i can't use a graph which contains munged names or misses virtual functions. 1190279;1436228144;asciilifeform;or, in the case of dynamic graphs, may omit some corner case which didn't get hit 1190280;1436228165;asciilifeform;dynamic graphs are useful for certain kinds of work, but is more or less the opposite of what i need here. 1190281;1436228183;decimation;the virtual functions thing probably eliminates all halfass attempts to use a C based-tool 1190282;1436228215;asciilifeform;sure do. 1190283;1436228219;asciilifeform;i just tried 'egypt' 1190284;1436228221;asciilifeform;total waste of time. 1190285;1436228225;asciilifeform;(for this reason) 1190286;1436228232;decimation;asciilifeform: one would think the compiler writers would need such a thing 1190287;1436228239;asciilifeform;why? 1190288;1436228263;decimation;To verify correctness? 1190289;1436228268;asciilifeform;i mean, yes, gcc turns cpp into an ast 1190290;1436228285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00052034 = 2.1594 BTC [-] {2} 1190291;1436228292;asciilifeform;but this functionality is deliberately not brought out to 'libraryizable' form, for reasons discussed in earlier threads re: rms 1190292;1436228326;decimation;what about clang? I thought stuff like this was the 'reason' it was built 1190293;1436228342;asciilifeform;anybody got a clang build? 1190294;1436228345;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ? 1190295;1436228356;asciilifeform;phf ? 1190296;1436228395;asciilifeform;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15458738/create-a-call-graph-for-a-file-with-clang 1190297;1436228396;assbot;graphviz - Create a call graph for a file with clang - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5oriF ) 1190298;1436228446;decimation;asciilifeform: what about http://scottmcpeak.com/elkhound/sources/elsa/index.html 1190299;1436228447;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5oDhS ) 1190300;1436228467;decimation;" Interesting in that virtual inheritance is represented properly; for example in/std/3.4.5.cc yields 3.4.5.png. " 1190301;1436228484;asciilifeform;i don't see call graph... 1190302;1436228489;asciilifeform;only #include graph 1190303;1436228495;asciilifeform;and inheritance graph 1190304;1436228499;asciilifeform;neither of which is useful to me 1190305;1436228575;asciilifeform;and before anybody asks, 1190306;1436228595;asciilifeform;i am definitely not interested in the output of any proprietary, closed (esp. winblowz) proggy that produces c++ callgraphs 1190307;1436228605;asciilifeform;because i won't be running it. 1190308;1436228644;decimation;it's possible that something like this does it http://www.semanticdesigns.com/Products/DMS/DMSToolkit.html 1190309;1436228645;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5p5g0 ) 1190310;1436228647;decimation;for $$$ 1190311;1436228655;asciilifeform;decimation: please see above! 1190312;1436228662;decimation;yeah. 1190313;1436228665;trinque;clang looks like it might be the thing 1190314;1436228673;decimation;but all you want is a chart 1190315;1436228680;decimation;someone else can do the dirty work 1190316;1436228682;asciilifeform;no 1190317;1436228688;asciilifeform;i want a chart that i can regenerate. 1190318;1436228691;decimation;ah. 1190319;1436228692;asciilifeform;on demand. 1190320;1436228829;asciilifeform;thought about using the output of 'lxr' 1190321;1436228834;asciilifeform;but then learned that it is retarded 1190322;1436228839;*;trinque cooks his balls recompiling llvm 1190323;1436228846;asciilifeform;and unable to distinguish between functions of same name in different classes 1190324;1436228850;asciilifeform;(when listing its 'who calls') 1190325;1436228882;asciilifeform;the chart ~must~ be semantically correct. this is not negotiable 1190326;1436228911;asciilifeform;(one which is not, is worse than useless) 1190327;1436229688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00052414 = 5.9752 BTC [+] 1190328;1436229932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00052004 = 21.0616 BTC [-] {2} 1190329;1436230725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19995 @ 0.00052414 = 10.4802 BTC [+] 1190330;1436231654;mats;https://twitter.com/w3bd3vil/status/618168863708962816 1190331;1436231851;trinque;mats: and so nice of google to ship that with their browser 1190332;1436231877;mats;the exploit is interesting 1190333;1436232067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00051884 = 23.7888 BTC [-] {3} 1190334;1436232505;asciilifeform;mats: tried it on the non-winblowz one ? 1190335;1436232634;mats;https://twitter.com/GammaGroupPR/status/617937092497178624 someone's taking credit for FinFisher and HT 1190336;1436232651;asciilifeform;run moar winblowz! 1190337;1436232652;mats;nope 1190338;1436232699;asciilifeform;in other nyooz that you will never read in english, 1190339;1436232715;asciilifeform;http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/07/06/022 << russian member of parliament busted, had 400 kg (!) of currency 1190340;1436232716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LP1i9u ) 1190341;1436232720;asciilifeform;nm, 100 1190342;1436232755;mats;what denomination notes? 1190343;1436232758;asciilifeform;400 m rubles (about 7 mn in u.s.) 1190344;1436232787;asciilifeform;!up nottooshitty 1190345;1436232801;nottooshitty;translation? 1190346;1436232848;trinque;^ was going to ask next "which currency" 1190347;1436232855;asciilifeform;the bugger was an infamous 'moralist' 1190348;1436232885;asciilifeform;tried to suppress abortion, even (a laughable nonstarter in ru) and 'fight alcoholism', etc, etc. 1190349;1436232911;asciilifeform;the dough was found in bank boxes, wouldn't even fit in the vault, was stored all over the place 1190350;1436232915;mats;asciilifeform: how am i to submit keys to phuctor without an api for the keyserver? just post? 1190351;1436232923;asciilifeform;mats: correct 1190352;1436232925;asciilifeform;no api needed 1190353;1436232928;asciilifeform;it takes a standard POST 1190354;1436232939;mats;am i supposed to parse the html or something for a response? 1190355;1436232943;mats;or just piss into the void 1190356;1436232952;asciilifeform;there can be no useful immediate response 1190357;1436232966;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1190358;1436233001;mats;yeah i should know better 1190359;1436233011;asciilifeform;so apparently they had to take the bank by storm. 1190360;1436233014;trinque;200 Eaten 1190361;1436233032;asciilifeform;eventually opened with battering ram 1190362;1436233113;*;funkenstein_ can't wait to buy USD by the kilogram 1190363;1436233144;asciilifeform;http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/07/06/192 << in unrelated nyooz, ru tu-95 bombers helped to celebrate '4th of july' in alaska & california, l0l 1190364;1436233145;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dIGkLC ) 1190365;1436233181;asciilifeform;putin, is claimed, was actually on the phone with obama, congratulating, while they buzzed the coast 1190366;1436233215;mats;lol 1190367;1436233216;trinque;that's style 1190368;1436233470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00052788 = 22.8572 BTC [+] {4} 1190369;1436233507;asciilifeform;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/195.211.154.159-8333 << lulz 1190370;1436233508;assbot;195.211.154.159:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1dIH57z ) 1190371;1436233682;asciilifeform;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Ender:3.14.15.94 << other lulz (not mine) 1190372;1436233683;assbot;Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LP2lX5 ) 1190373;1436233747;asciilifeform;apparently we don't even ~have~ a 'useragent' string in 0.5.x 1190374;1436233752;asciilifeform;somehow i missed this, l0l 1190375;1436233756;asciilifeform;who wants to make one up - can! 1190376;1436233765;nottooshitty;put time on it 1190377;1436233793;asciilifeform;nottooshitty: read the thread. it doesn't matter where you put it - it can't be believed 1190378;1436233848;nottooshitty;i know 1190379;1436233858;asciilifeform;we are, apparently, the #43 '- (1)' 1190380;1436233860;asciilifeform;in the list 1190381;1436233877;asciilifeform;on account of being the only node on the planet that passes the idiots' 70001 filter while ~not having a useragent string~ 1190382;1436233936;asciilifeform;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/UMD-Coinscope:0.0 << node mentioned much earlier, the one run by the umd dept. of sc4mz4tr0n1cs 1190383;1436233937;assbot;Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LP2NEA ) 1190384;1436234080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33383 @ 0.00053195 = 17.7581 BTC [+] {2} 1190385;1436234324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19927 @ 0.00053341 = 10.6293 BTC [+] {2} 1190386;1436234500;asciilifeform;https://www.btko.in << anyone ever heard of'em ? 1190387;1436234500;assbot;BTKO.in ... ( http://bit.ly/1dIJ8IO ) 1190388;1436234517;asciilifeform;advertised in a node userid, '/btko.in:0.11.99/ (70002)' 1190389;1436234560;nottooshitty;storm?? 1190390;1436234610;asciilifeform;idk 1190391;1436234655;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Really as fragile as the thing is atm fuckers ruined my dreams << twas a good dream 1190392;1436234766;asciilifeform;waiwut 1190393;1436234827;thestringpuller;^- that directed at me? 1190394;1436234833;asciilifeform;or BingoBoingo 1190395;1436234837;asciilifeform;what was the ruined dream 1190396;1436234857;thestringpuller;blockheight as canonical measure of time 1190397;1436234876;asciilifeform;it was never a measure of time 1190398;1436234900;asciilifeform;because, as mircea_popescu explained earlier, difficulty is defined in relation to wall time 1190399;1436235080;asciilifeform;for the record, i think this design is asinine 1190400;1436235099;asciilifeform;difficulty oughta have been defined in relation to the difficulty of the last solved block, solely. 1190401;1436235126;asciilifeform;yes, this means that martians can land, mine the remaining blocks in five minutes, and leave earth a smoking and bitcoinless crater 1190402;1436235135;asciilifeform;to which i say mircea_popescu's sacramental 'don't be poor' 1190403;1436235158;asciilifeform;do it to mars before mars - to us! 1190404;1436235203;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you make it sound like prison rape... 1190405;1436235311;asciilifeform;i really fail to grasp for what, precisely, it is, that we need the possibility of falling difficulty. 1190406;1436235315;mats;any folks very familiar with postgresql in here 1190407;1436235346;mats;id like to know how well caching is supported 1190408;1436235371;thestringpuller;mats: you ever use memcache? 1190409;1436235393;mats;i'm exploring the option of _not_ using additional things like redis or memcache 1190410;1436235421;trinque;what are you caching? 1190411;1436235422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00053474 = 9.358 BTC [+] {2} 1190412;1436235436;thestringpuller;oh well, never seena stack that's operated that way in production. would be interestig in what you come up with. 1190413;1436235438;trinque;mats: depending on the situation, maybe a materialized view is called for 1190414;1436235438;mats;key db 1190415;1436235499;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: if difficulty always goes up what happens in "nuke scenario"? 1190416;1436235504;trinque;mats: in my experience postgresql can do anything those other piles of shit can 1190417;1436235509;trinque;and often just as fast or faster 1190418;1436235509;asciilifeform;(in gedankenexperiment above, 'mine the remaining blocks' oughta be understood to mean 'mine all the blocks with substantial blockreward') 1190419;1436235547;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: in that scenario, bitcoin either dies with the last remaining man, or the beloved 'hardfork'. 1190420;1436235579;trinque;mats: what in particular is slow? 1190421;1436235605;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: or the survivors simply sign, on parchment, with their privkeys, ..., etc 1190422;1436235632;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this makes next block work a non obtainable resource tho? 1190423;1436235663;asciilifeform;the thing barely survives today, much less ww3 1190424;1436235694;mats;trinque: spec calls for displaying stats, which would probably require caching because pgsql reads from disk otherwise 1190425;1436235717;asciilifeform;incidentally, today i invented (hypothetical) very cheap 'clock': an sram with a beta source glued on top 1190426;1436235723;asciilifeform;(from, say, a smoke detector) 1190427;1436235741;asciilifeform;though one would probably prefer something with shorter halflife 1190428;1436235741;mats;depending how large db gets i would expect io to get choked 1190429;1436235748;trinque;mats: could write a view that generates your stats, then a materialized view which is refreshed at an interval with "refresh materialized view" or w/e it is 1190430;1436235779;trinque;I like this approach because there's both an interface that is "fast" and also one that is accurate 1190431;1436235813;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: it is seemingly surviving usgavination attempts. 1190432;1436235956;mats;trinque, ok to pm? 1190433;1436235980;trinque;sure 1190434;1436235984;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: unless i seriously misunderstand, 50%+ of the hash rate belongs to folks ~who aren't even running bitcoin~ but a toystore version 1190435;1436236154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00053216 = 2.9269 BTC [-] 1190436;1436236447;asciilifeform;http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3330352/post179877748 << historical. sov. sub. close-ups of internals. 1190437;1436236448;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJpbxH ) 1190438;1436236462;asciilifeform;1970-1998 1190439;1436236498;asciilifeform;interesting because traditional (diesel) motor. 1190440;1436236501;asciilifeform;as in ww2. 1190441;1436236540;asciilifeform;linked mainly on account of this http://russos.ru/img/trip/2009-kolskiy/b440-22.jpg mechanical computer. 1190442;1436236542;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJphVX ) 1190443;1436236761;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1190444;1436237009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00053423 = 27.0855 BTC [+] {2} 1190445;1436237128;mats;http://www.pcworld.com/article/2942267/why-ubuntu-plans-to-replace-traditional-linux-packages-with-something-better.html 1190446;1436237129;assbot;Why Ubuntu plans to replace traditional Linux packages with something better | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJqEnF ) 1190447;1436237256;decimation;asciilifeform: no pictures of the radio room? 1190448;1436237324;decimation;home | log | search | deeds | bash | stats | wiki 1190449;1436237325;decimation; 1190450;1436237325;decimation;PREV: 04-07-2015 1190451;1436237325;decimation; 1190452;1436237326;decimation;05-07-2015 show 1190453;1436237330;decimation;[ ] hide bots [ ] links only 1190454;1436237333;decimation; 1190455;1436237336;asciilifeform;decimation: one of them was 'radio room' 1190456;1436237336;decimation;NEXT: 06-07-2015 1190457;1436237339;decimation; 1190458;1436237343;decimation;Transcript for 05-07-2015, 1135 lines: 1190459;1436237346;decimation; 1190460;1436237346;asciilifeform;^ ?? 1190461;1436237349;decimation;00:00:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187182 << add lying schmucks to a degree not experienced since kindergarten on pirate island. the 1190462;1436237349;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners being dumb as bricks is essentially correct... 1190463;1436237350;decimation;f2pool admin's explanation is "we got the bad block from antpool, who we don't know how they got because they told us they only follow us" 1190464;1436237354;decimation; 1190465;1436237357;decimation;00:00:40 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:41:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla my current understanding of the ph0rk situation is that your hypothesis re: miners 1190466;1436237358;asciilifeform;decimation: !! 1190467;1436237360;decimation;being dumb as bricks is essentially correct... 1190468;1436237363;decimation; 1190469;1436237363;asciilifeform;!! 1190470;1436237366;decimation;00:01:03 mircea_popescu: because yes, we're fucktarded enough to not notice what's proposed here is a closed f2pool - antpool loop. they're over there in their own 1190471;1436237370;decimation;parallel universe. 1190472;1436237373;decimation; 1190473;1436237376;decimation;00:01:17 mircea_popescu: i dunno when it became fashionable to be infantile, but i'm getting pretty sick of it. 1190474;1436237379;decimation; 1190475;1436237380;decimation;00:02:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187220 << so are they :D 1190476;1436237380;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 17:23:18; trinque: yeah, I'm being hyperbolic 1190477;1436237384;decimation; 1190478;1436237387;decimation;00:02:39 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 17:23:18; trinque: yeah, I'm being hyperbolic 1190479;1436237390;decimation; 1190480;1436237393;decimation;00:03:34 ben_vulpes: ohai punkman 1190481;1436237396;decimation; 1190482;1436237399;decimation;00:05:37 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185652 << i really gotta post ak47.sh to the ml 1190483;1436237399;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 19:49:35; shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD 1190484;1436237402;decimation; 1190485;1436237405;decimation;00:05:37 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 19:49:35; shinohai: mod6: if you want another auto.sh, I'll try and help you when I understand this new build xD 1190486;1436237408;decimation; 1190487;1436237410;decimation;00:06:24 mircea_popescu: "Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining had explicitly indicated that they would enforce the BIP66 rules. By not doing so, 1190488;1436237412;asciilifeform;!! 1190489;1436237414;decimation;several large miners have lost over $50,000 dollars worth of mining income so far." 1190490;1436237417;decimation; 1190491;1436237420;decimation;00:06:36 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the inept spin they published, why the fuck are we pricing things in dollars. 1190492;1436237440;BingoBoingo;Bouncer aimed in the wrond direction? 1190493;1436237447;asciilifeform;probably pushed wrong pedal 1190494;1436237570;decimation;alright, that's the end of my adventure with erc 1190495;1436237611;trinque;lol, I stopped using it myself when I dumped an email to my father in another channel 1190496;1436237627;decimation;I wasn't hitting anything other C-x b 1190497;1436237642;decimation;decided to shit web browser logs from another buffer into chan 1190498;1436237674;trinque;M-x do-everything-and-lock-up 1190499;1436237802;asciilifeform;save-lisp-and-die 1190500;1436237836;decimation;one wonders how shitty lisp machine that emacs is emulating gets into such a sad state 1190501;1436237847;decimation;I'm sure rms would blame my non gnu extension 1190502;1436237882;trinque;probably chafing at the emacs|other boundary 1190503;1436237923;decimation;yeah to be fair I'm running stator on this machine, and it only has 2gb ram 1190504;1436237952;decimation;yeah and erc runs inferior process 1190505;1436237975;decimation;anyway I abandoned irssi because I thought it couldn't handle unicode, but apparently it was my tmux 1190506;1436237978;decimation;шара́жка 1190507;1436237996;trinque;I haven't been able to see non-ascii since I put the weechat instance on obsd 1190508;1436238040;trinque;hm could be tmux in my case too 1190509;1436238047;decimation;asciilifeform: re: ru aircraft: http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-grounds-entire-su-24-fleet-fighter-jets-after-deadly-crash-near-sea-japan-1996897 1190510;1436238049;assbot;Russia Grounds Entire Su-24 Fleet Of Fighter Jets After Deadly Crash Near Sea Of Japan ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJshBP ) 1190511;1436238061;decimation;yeah it turns out tmux is very picky about the terminal you are using when you create it 1190512;1436238069;decimation;plus you need to manipulate unicode options maybe 1190513;1436238112;trinque;yeah, it seemed pissed about my rxvt-unicode-256color when ssh'ing in 1190514;1436238118;trinque;copied over the termcap, which sort of helped 1190515;1436238190;trinque;hm I wonder if this tmux session actually predates copying the termcap 1190516;1436238363;trinque;and in fact, yes; it works now. 1190517;1436238380;trinque;шара́жка 1190518;1436238384;trinque;whatever that means 1190519;1436238385;trinque;:D 1190520;1436238427;trinque;!up Transisto2 1190521;1436238482;trinque;huh... then when disconnecting and reconnecting with tmux, gone. 1190522;1436238489;trinque;computers are hard 1190523;1436238876;decimation;it's 'sharashka' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharashka 1190524;1436238877;assbot;Sharashka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJu5uk ) 1190525;1436239146;decimation;!up bagels7 1190526;1436239221;bagels7;good morning, hwo do you do 1190527;1436239326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00052875 = 18.4005 BTC [-] 1190528;1436239448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00051761 = 21.7914 BTC [-] 1190529;1436239580;mats;how goes the money changing 1190530;1436239663;bagels7;well I was into IT then I got a sign from god and went a different path, physical, mental and spiritual fitness. body/mind/spirit all well 1190531;1436239778;asciilifeform;!b 3 1190532;1436239779;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VFDQZV.txt ) 1190533;1436239966;decimation;lol 1190534;1436239969;decimation;!up Vexual 1190535;1436239992;decimation;http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/617/jew_basic.jpg < happy money changer 1190536;1436239993;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJwi9h ) 1190537;1436240081;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.itworld.com/article/2944275/ad-fraud-trojan-updates-flash-player-so-that-other-malware-cant-get-in.html < lulzy trojan uses flash exploit and then helpfully updates flash after infection 1190538;1436240085;assbot;Ad fraud Trojan updates Flash Player so that other malware can't get in | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJwxkF ) 1190539;1436240085;Vexual;;;ticker 1190540;1436240086;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.5, Best ask: 271.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 270.48, 24 hour volume: 54919.01843139, 24 hour low: 267.74, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None 1190541;1436240180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32494 @ 0.00051493 = 16.7321 BTC [-] 1190542;1436240292;mats;http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html << news of your celebrity in .ar, bagels7 1190543;1436240295;assbot;Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4fBL ) 1190544;1436240302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00054157 = 26.6723 BTC [+] {3} 1190545;1436240320;asciilifeform;mats: i thought that was brendafdez 1190546;1436240327;asciilifeform;;;seen brendafdez 1190547;1436240327;gribble;brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering. 1190548;1436240333;mats;oh mixed em up nvm 1190549;1436240343;Vexual;lol 1190550;1436240463;Vexual;it happens 1190551;1436240527;decimation;mats: bagels7 is the trans 'person' 1190552;1436240537;asciilifeform;so was brendafdez ? 1190553;1436240543;asciilifeform;hence, i think, the confusion 1190554;1436240546;decimation;heh 1190555;1436240569;mats;oops 1190556;1436240571;decimation;!up slikers 1190557;1436240576;slikers;ok 1190558;1436240582;mats;haro 1190559;1436240584;decimation;slikers: are you using ipv6 1190560;1436240594;slikers;nope 1190561;1436240598;slikers;what is issue ? 1190562;1436240603;Vexual;we chack and chack again 1190563;1436240606;decimation;I thought irccloud put your ip 1190564;1436240609;decimation;interesting 1190565;1436240631;slikers;nope 1190566;1436240636;decimation;what brings you here slikers 1190567;1436240639;decimation;!up maximian 1190568;1436240772;Vexual;;;later tell cazala asx:ipo these kids had the melb free rent desks? 1190569;1436240772;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1190570;1436240842;ben_vulpes;punkman: i don't understand the point of your gpgdiddling link 1190571;1436240869;Vexual;3 months became a heady meatwot? 1190572;1436240993;Vexual;\query gribz 1190573;1436241057;Vexual;;;later tell cazzala ^^ 1190574;1436241058;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1190575;1436241095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36532 @ 0.00051493 = 18.8114 BTC [-] 1190576;1436241104;Vexual;;;seen naphex 1190577;1436241104;gribble;naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 10 hours, and 28 seconds ago: https://xotika.tv/#/channel115/LovelyTaya enjoy xD 1190578;1436241174;Vexual;tincans 1190579;1436241225;ben_vulpes; mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189757 << and by "diddle" i mean "use", if that wasn't clear. 1190580;1436241225;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 19:39:57; ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated. 1190581;1436241242;asciilifeform;well yes 1190582;1436241243;ben_vulpes;punkman: i think i see now 1190583;1436241278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00051493 = 4.0422 BTC [-] 1190584;1436241284;ben_vulpes;leastaways without a wholesale replacement of sync mechanism plus god only knows what else eventually. 1190585;1436241304;Vexual;time is hard 1190586;1436241318;Vexual;and soft 1190587;1436241332;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: thread was about how bitcoin as it exists is very much designed around 'political time' being a knowable and generally agreed-on thing 1190588;1436241398;ben_vulpes;i begin to understand. 1190589;1436241399;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/auth-ntp.cfm < apparently you need to sign up by post if you want to receive 'authenticated time service' from usg 1190590;1436241401;assbot;NIST Authenticated NTP Service ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti5JMe ) 1190591;1436241408;decimation;plus you need a static ip 1190592;1436241572;Vexual;have you read celetitial vagigation yet? 1190593;1436241578;decimation;hehe 1190594;1436241584;Vexual;typo 1190595;1436241609;decimation;http://www.occultations.org.nz/ 1190596;1436241611;assbot;Occultation Section - Royal Astronomical Society of New Zealand ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti60yN ) 1190597;1436241636;Vexual;you'll find the reduction tables for free at .mil 1190598;1436241674;decimation;the point about occultations is that you can get tables of when they are supposed to occur for your area. you don't need a fancy telescope, usually cheap bionoculars would suffice for observation 1190599;1436241707;decimation;find predictions for the time they are to occur and compare with your clock under test 1190600;1436241781;decimation;as asciilifeform pointed out this comparison would involve some time conversions 1190601;1436241799;Vexual;indeed 1190602;1436241816;Vexual;you'll do best to learn it with out of date info 1190603;1436241818;asciilifeform;very much useless for our current problem, i must again point out 1190604;1436241829;asciilifeform;pogo needs to plug into the wall and immediately fight 1190605;1436241834;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1190606;1436241855;decimation;asciilifeform: true, but if one person can find time and verify for themselves, they can provide services for others 1190607;1436241869;Vexual;i cant see a solution mut mp's 1190608;1436241879;decimation;even hitler can't move the moon's path 1190609;1436241887;asciilifeform;but he can diddle packets in flight 1190610;1436241894;asciilifeform;which is good enough 1190611;1436241900;Vexual;let the nodes confirm it 1190612;1436241902;decimation;aye, signed ntp server would be needed 1190613;1436241912;asciilifeform;which gets nuked 1190614;1436241917;asciilifeform;and you're back to square one 1190615;1436241918;decimation;or a large collection of them run by enthusiastic hobbyists 1190616;1436241948;asciilifeform;we have this now 1190617;1436241950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53301 @ 0.00054631 = 29.1189 BTC [+] {4} 1190618;1436241951;asciilifeform;it is worthless 1190619;1436241965;decimation;the hobbyists rarely bother with pki ntp 1190620;1436241980;asciilifeform;hardcoded keys suck 1190621;1436241993;asciilifeform;it is gavinism. 1190622;1436242017;decimation;as in, a symmetric pair for time transmission? 1190623;1436242028;asciilifeform;as in having keys in the box at all when it ships 1190624;1436242030;asciilifeform;of any kind 1190625;1436242043;asciilifeform;enemy captures magic private key, game over 1190626;1436242049;mats;asciilifeform: ever looked at safe stack in your professional adventures? 1190627;1436242071;asciilifeform;mats: nope 1190628;1436242073;decimation;asciilifeform: agreed, which is why you would need several different keys from different providers 1190629;1436242091;asciilifeform;decimation: thing is, we don't have a network where you connect by key instead of by ip 1190630;1436242129;decimation;asciilifeform: https://github.com/zrm/snow < I thought this could be it, but then saw the deps list 1190631;1436242130;assbot;zrm/snow · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClX3At ) 1190632;1436242134;asciilifeform;mats: what is interesting about it ? 1190633;1436242139;decimation;"snow is a layer 3 virtual network that abstracts the underlying network and allows public keys to be used in place of IP addresses. " 1190634;1436242163;asciilifeform;decimation: looks like a cheap clone of tor-onion 1190635;1436242165;asciilifeform;snore. 1190636;1436242190;asciilifeform;astonishingly useless no matter how implemented 1190637;1436242192;asciilifeform;openssl or not 1190638;1436242201;asciilifeform;because ultimately there are servers and 'magic' ips. 1190639;1436242232;asciilifeform;just like tor dies if the directory servers are ever unplugged. 1190640;1436242242;asciilifeform;(despite pretenses to the contrary) 1190641;1436242260;mats;moves stack based buffers to another segment, then stores reference 1190642;1436242272;mats;http://dslab.epfl.ch/pubs/cpi.pdf << 1190643;1436242274;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti6SmV ) 1190644;1436242283;asciilifeform;mats: as a rule, i am entirely uninterested in 'mitigations' 1190645;1436242288;asciilifeform;e.g., 'aslr' 1190646;1436242293;mats;:( 1190647;1436242307;asciilifeform;because they are expressions of surrender, of 'willing to live with' a pit of liquid shit 1190648;1436242315;asciilifeform;the thing to do with shit is to burn it. 1190649;1436242321;asciilifeform;until nothing remains. 1190650;1436242324;Vexual;cost is involved 1190651;1436242324;asciilifeform;not 'live with' it. 1190652;1436242326;mats;some folks gotta live with it 1190653;1436242332;mats;others wanna exploit it 1190654;1436242345;asciilifeform;mats: even the exploiting, i find, is deadly boring 1190655;1436242353;asciilifeform;the kind typically done by armies of coolies, 'fuzzing' 1190656;1436242360;asciilifeform;i have no wish to be a coolie. 1190657;1436242372;asciilifeform;or to be present anywhere at all in that supply chain. 1190658;1436242484;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah 'snow' seems to try to maintain a dht across the peers 1190659;1436242508;asciilifeform;decimation: for a successful example of this, see 'kademlia' 1190660;1436242534;mats;we diverge on this point 1190661;1436242543;decimation;how do you maintain such a dht without giving enemy a dictionary of ips to attack 1190662;1436242549;mats;thats the primary thing driving my interest in studying windows at all 1190663;1436242559;asciilifeform;decimation: you don't. the notion was that 'too many to hang' 1190664;1436242570;mats;otherwise i wouldn't subject myself to it 1190665;1436242575;asciilifeform;mats: the fungible coolie 0day isn't the only kind there is, you know 1190666;1436242582;asciilifeform;there is also the 'sui generis' 1190667;1436242638;asciilifeform;the kind you find by looking where literally nobody else has thought to look, perhaps even using tooling that literally no one else has. 1190668;1436242639;Vexual;champagnes protected 1190669;1436242672;asciilifeform;and, in the ultimate case, the kind created by somebody who was sure that it would never be looked for. 1190670;1436242704;asciilifeform;some smirking 'plum book' stuffed shirt who thinks that his ph.d. makes him a god 1190671;1436242738;Vexual;www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg-RIOATCbU 1190672;1436242748;asciilifeform;and that the only opponent is 'raghead' in goatfuckistan 1190673;1436242861;mats;well, i meant exploitation is what interests me 1190674;1436242891;mats;i don't care about fuzzing at all, folks have much better tooling than i do, and i have no resources of any kind to aid me in that 1190675;1436242909;asciilifeform;aha 1190676;1436242914;asciilifeform;then have to be very particular 1190677;1436242917;mats;computing power or particularly deep knowledge of the maths theory involved 1190678;1436242990;mats;if the latter is even necessary, i have no idea 1190679;1436243012;asciilifeform;doesn't hurt to know some maths 1190680;1436243018;asciilifeform;enough to understand, e.g., 'phuctor' 1190681;1436243031;Vexual;^failed 1190682;1436243051;asciilifeform;basic discretes is more important 1190683;1436243077;asciilifeform;e.g., my current colleagues were very surprised when i told them about needleman-wunsch and how one can make a non-retarded binary 'diff' 1190684;1436243089;asciilifeform;this was not taught to them 1190685;1436243170;asciilifeform;other pertinent maths include the proof of why 'homomorphic obfuscator' is impossible in the general case 1190686;1436243203;*;asciilifeform confesses that he did not know this proof, and, as a student, wasted a great deal of time trying to devise such a thing 1190687;1436243234;asciilifeform;and then of course there is basic crypto, but i am deliberately not mentioning it 1190688;1436243251;asciilifeform;anyone else have examples of 'maths an exploiter must know' ? 1190689;1436243271;asciilifeform;the 'byzantine generals' paper. 1190690;1436243316;mats;i was under the impression 'diff' implements a variation on 'needleman-wunsch' 1190691;1436243317;asciilifeform;lamport (same as of the 'generals') clock. 1190692;1436243325;mats;can't remember the name of the algo, though 1190693;1436243328;asciilifeform;mats: traditional diff, afaik, did not 1190694;1436243335;asciilifeform;more modern incarnations - hell knows 1190695;1436243355;decimation;it would be useful to know basic algorithms and associated time estimates 1190696;1436243370;asciilifeform;well these every civilized person knows 1190697;1436243375;decimation;heh 1190698;1436243393;asciilifeform;(e.g. what 'O(N)' or 'O(N^2)' means) 1190699;1436243408;mats;lol 1190700;1436243422;mats;week one computer science. 1190701;1436243486;Vexual;i saw funkensteins man playin, i could smell the 03 1190702;1436243608;mats;im off to eat an entire large papa johns pizza and re-read chapterhouse (dune) 1190703;1436243610;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rrOdcnFbAY > in fact, i did once negrate kako for fake "broker of the year" badges... 1190808;1436257657;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 23:09:38; BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Win response http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/trading/uks-fca-issues-warning-against-bitcoin-brokers-bit4x-and-venetfx/ 1190809;1436257698;jurov;they aren't still there only cuz mircea_popescu mediated it 1190810;1436258063;BingoBoingo;So much history 1190811;1436258218;kakobrekla;such scammer 1190812;1436258298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4526 @ 0.00054843 = 2.4822 BTC [-] 1190813;1436258664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00055897 = 1.3052 BTC [+] {2} 1190814;1436258725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23065 @ 0.00056224 = 12.9681 BTC [+] 1190815;1436258908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29527 @ 0.00056318 = 16.629 BTC [+] {2} 1190816;1436259081;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190801 < nobody expects the spanish exhibition 1190817;1436259081;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 07:58:09; punkman: http://www.openculture.com/2014/10/when-modern-art-was-used-as-torture-during-the-spanish-civil-war.html 1190818;1436259234;Adlai;!b 1 1190819;1436259235;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Y6WYBS.txt ) 1190820;1436259701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8295 @ 0.0005643 = 4.6809 BTC [+] 1190821;1436260189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32924 @ 0.00056697 = 18.6669 BTC [+] {2} 1190822;1436261835;punkman;http://blackflagbooks.tumblr.com/ 1190823;1436261837;assbot;Black Flag Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1dJr5SI ) 1190824;1436262046;cazalla;http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-cosby-said-got-drugs-women-sex-212247466.html 1190825;1436262048;assbot;APNewsBreak: Cosby said he got drugs to give women for sex - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1dJrq7V ) 1190826;1436262050;cazalla;hey hey hey 1190827;1436262630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00054806 = 28.1155 BTC [-] {3} 1190828;1436263667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36340 @ 0.00055224 = 20.0684 BTC [+] 1190829;1436263972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13202 @ 0.00054727 = 7.2251 BTC [-] 1190830;1436264643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20797 @ 0.00056001 = 11.6465 BTC [+] {3} 1190831;1436265375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56166 @ 0.00054614 = 30.6745 BTC [-] {2} 1190832;1436266232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform uh. the one published actually encompasses the first fork. i have other chains (also historical) that aren't wedged, but i had thought yours passed that point ? 1190833;1436266351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16375 @ 0.00053429 = 8.749 BTC [-] 1190834;1436266472;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190152 << cool! 1190835;1436266472;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 22:18:29; TomServo: Ahoy all, just wanted to pass long: my 0.5.3 node is humming along, currently reporting blockheight 364171. 1190836;1436266517;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190161 << roflmao. "oh hello we are a cutting edge bleedin' tech company. what we do is we put tickets in cloudflare." 1190837;1436266517;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 22:34:34; pete_dushenski: "CoinbaseAdrian 30 points an hour ago* : Sorry guys, we're looking into this. It appears to be an issue with our network provider (Cloudflare). We have an urgent ticket open with them and I'll update here with any details." << response to coinbase being offline 1190838;1436266681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the entire timing discussion : suppose the pogo gets started always with a realtime switch, -time=14blablabla, and after that gets its time from the most recent block it accepts and checks for next ones being within +-7200 seconds. 1190839;1436266688;mircea_popescu;obviously, a kludge. 1190840;1436266794;shinohai;I am at height 361167 his morning. Agonizingly slow. 1190841;1436266805;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1190842;1436266810;gribble;Current Blocks: 360472 | Current Difficulty: 47589591153.625 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 391 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1190843;1436266816;mircea_popescu;i beg your pardon ? 1190844;1436266833;punkman;lol 1190845;1436266851;shinohai;Either gribble is off or I am xD 1190846;1436266852;mircea_popescu;"o hai folks i'm talking from day after tomorrow. time is moving by really really too slow!!!1" 1190847;1436266859;shinohai;lol 1190848;1436266871;punkman;gribble is stuck 1190849;1436266884;mircea_popescu;,yeah 1190850;1436266884;punkman;364240 is current height 1190851;1436266916;mircea_popescu;i think we should have a network vote. 1190852;1436266934;mircea_popescu;everyone that thinks i should have smoked cheese and salmon breakfast, make your blocks v 666 1190853;1436266951;mircea_popescu;everyone that thinks i should have creme fraiche and strawberries, make your blocks v 1337 1190854;1436266973;mircea_popescu;best way to end up eating pork and beans or something 1190855;1436267002;shinohai;https://transfer.sh/9OKMj/fwdqupu.png 1190856;1436267004;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9YPA8 ) 1190857;1436267062;shinohai;Lox and eggs for me this morning. 1190858;1436267080;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190226 << the point that "bitcoin core" = unsafe at any version is really not made often enough. 1190859;1436267080;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 00:05:07; BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cd4nd/unless_all_major_miners_begin_mining_with_fully/ 1190860;1436267144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00053178 = 18.6921 BTC [-] 1190861;1436267182;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/cd2581c62617b5a509994b1e6cd4c4dd/tumblr_nbetwj6JLL1t0bn4lo1_1280.jpg 1190862;1436267183;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9ZGRx ) 1190863;1436267205;shinohai;She looks tall enough to ride this ride. 1190864;1436267314;shinohai;Just noticed dat tat 1190865;1436267324;mircea_popescu;"Market forces will prevail and miners will have to adapt." loller. 1190866;1436267327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00053461 = 10.5853 BTC [+] {2} 1190867;1436267335;mircea_popescu;i thought reddit didn't believe in "market forces". 1190868;1436267365;shinohai;reddit believes *they* are the market force, or so I thought. 1190869;1436267374;punkman;https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions 1190870;1436267375;assbot;Bitcoin Number Of transactions Per Day ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha0HZy ) 1190871;1436267394;punkman;apparently 200l+ transactions today 1190872;1436267397;punkman;*200k 1190873;1436267405;mircea_popescu;yeah, basically, whenever the market forces do what they expect they're all market-force-y, and when the market forces tell them to go dangle they're all democaca-y 1190874;1436267413;mircea_popescu;which is a sort of macaque. 1190875;1436267433;mircea_popescu;punkman there's some derps putting in like 1mn txn for 1 btc total fees. 1190876;1436267449;mircea_popescu;which has the excellent side effect of taking the piss out of all the redditard "unbanked" who were used to pay 0 fees. 1190877;1436267465;shinohai;So that explains the slow tx times today 1190878;1436267473;mircea_popescu;been going for weeks. 1190879;1436267534;punkman;does 0.0001 still get you in next block? 1190880;1436267551;mircea_popescu;iirc thats what they pay. 1190881;1436267563;mircea_popescu;so make it 0.00011 or something. 1190882;1436267565;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190247 << quite. 1190883;1436267565;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 00:09:17; decimation: unfortunately blockheight is only a solid concept in retrospect 1190884;1436267601;mircea_popescu;might have been 0.00001 what they paid, i dun recall. look at the backlog should be obvious 1190885;1436267654;shinohai;I thought that the 0.1% per 1 BTC transacted was reasonable, as set out in the Declaration of Sovereignty. 1190886;1436267676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190265 << a very stupid system incidentally. mirroring the unixtime idiocy. just take the cesium, base everytrhing on that. 1190887;1436267676;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 00:13:06; decimation: point being, someone derives time (the iers) from astronomy, sets the cesium, and broadcasts it 1190888;1436267696;punkman;"I run the restaurant from 1996, its a family business. I work here with my father and my mother. We only cook traditional Greek food. We accept Bitcoin for payments. They have come 6-8 people pay with Bitcoin from Spain, France, Italy, Ireland, Luxembourg but i hope for more people with Bitcoins" 1190889;1436267705;mircea_popescu;shinohai unrelated things tho. a tx is a tx, it charges by byte. 1190890;1436267718;punkman;6-8 people since 2012 :D 1190891;1436267720;mircea_popescu;punkman nb. name/address ? 1190892;1436267731;punkman;http://www.agelos.gr/ 1190893;1436267732;assbot;Page Redirection ... ( http://bit.ly/1gl86Qh ) 1190894;1436267758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190266 << so far the balance of what i got was "man this site is confusing" in various tongues. 1190895;1436267758;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 00:13:16; asciilifeform: unrelated: folks competing for mircea_popescu's 1 btc prize for therealbitcoin callgraph can strike 'egypt' utility off the list. it is a worthless pile of shit, which produces worthless piles of shit (at least for cpp proggy) 1190896;1436267825;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190284 << "if you need it, you'll have to write it" rule of nature stands undisturbed. 1190897;1436267825;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 00:17:01; asciilifeform: total waste of time. 1190898;1436267827;kakobrekla;punkman you are greek? 1190899;1436267836;mircea_popescu;i suppose we progressed from moore law's to this noore law. 1190900;1436267840;punkman;I'm transgreek 1190901;1436267844;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. 1190902;1436267848;mircea_popescu;wasn't he from crete ? 1190903;1436267854;mircea_popescu;which is greek in the sense etruria is latin ? 1190904;1436267899;punkman;aye, Creta is nice 1190905;1436267924;*;shinohai imagines punkman as a Spartan 1190906;1436267941;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190307 << if it makes the svg it made the svg eh. 1190907;1436267941;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 00:23:25; asciilifeform: because i won't be running it. 1190908;1436267976;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190323 << bwahahaha who the fuck does these things. 1190909;1436267976;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 00:27:26; asciilifeform: and unable to distinguish between functions of same name in different classes 1190910;1436267979;kakobrekla;greek islands are the best. i very much enjoyed them, perhaps mykonos the most. jurov would love it there, im sure. 1190911;1436268156;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190359 << i dun get it past "ru govt stole some dude's money". 1190912;1436268156;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 01:36:51; asciilifeform: so apparently they had to take the bank by storm. 1190913;1436268211;mircea_popescu;99999 Protocol version loller 1190914;1436268230;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/195.211.154.159-8333/ << lulz mebbe worth a write-up ? 1190915;1436268231;assbot;195.211.154.159:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1gl8Chj ) 1190916;1436268349;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190400 << nah. does not work. 1190917;1436268349;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 02:11:39; asciilifeform: difficulty oughta have been defined in relation to the difficulty of the last solved block, solely. 1190918;1436268357;mircea_popescu;the "difficulty of last solved block" does not exist 1190919;1436268364;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 473 @ 0.00408605 = 1.9327 BTC [-] {2} 1190920;1436268368;mircea_popescu;in that difficulty is a statistical measure and statistics of sets of one is undefined. 1190921;1436268411;punkman;difficulty target is a number 1190922;1436268417;mircea_popescu;that it is. 1190923;1436268425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00053144 = 9.9379 BTC [-] {2} 1190924;1436268458;mircea_popescu;for students of the bitcoin protocol actually interested in learning how it works, create a list of all block hashes, calculate implied difficulty on that basis, compare to actual difficulty at the time and calculate variance etc. nice graphs to be had. 1190925;1436268605;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190423 << experimentally, i have a lot more faith in things that barely survive than in Britannia eternal. experimentally, the former do survive, the latter crash on the jagged shores of time. 1190926;1436268605;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 02:21:03; asciilifeform: the thing barely survives today, much less ww3 1190927;1436268694;Adlai;mircea_popescu: too bad only the dumb&industrious students will do that. the smart&lazy just go to sipa's charts... 1190928;1436268701;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190434 << the hardware belongs to miners. miners direct the hashing at pools, doing very little validation whatsoever. so, 100% of mining power does in fact not run bitcoin at all. 1190929;1436268701;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 02:26:24; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: unless i seriously misunderstand, 50%+ of the hash rate belongs to folks ~who aren't even running bitcoin~ but a toystore version 1190930;1436268714;mircea_popescu;then, of THOSE POOLS it turned out that ~50% are too confused to even lie. 1190931;1436268729;mircea_popescu;they simply say things that bear an impredictable (to them first of all) relationship to reality. 1190932;1436268748;mircea_popescu;Adlai this sort of smartness i'll gladly do without. 1190933;1436268772;mircea_popescu;it is the smartness of the nor merely dumb, but unrescuably so. 1190934;1436268841;mircea_popescu;(yes, there's a smartness of the dumb, like there's a richness of the poor and a cleanliness of the filthy and honesty of politicians and so on and so forth.) 1190935;1436268858;Adlai;eloquence of the mute 1190936;1436268873;mircea_popescu;now that actually works. 1190937;1436268919;shinohai;http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1C4Q1RvUb3bzk4aaLVgGccnSnaHYFdESzY 1190938;1436268920;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha6VbS ) 1190939;1436268920;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190446 << riiight. hopefully they call them service packs. 1190940;1436268920;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 02:45:29; assbot: Why Ubuntu plans to replace traditional Linux packages with something better | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJqEnF ) 1190941;1436268935;punkman;heh 1190942;1436269086;shinohai;And LOL @ this address: http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1FUCK1oBgCmbbBjxaybjbEmvkh8RCUdgBx 1190943;1436269087;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gl9uCo ) 1190944;1436269143;mircea_popescu;lmao decimation ends up putting a dime in the pot ? 1190945;1436269162;punkman;shinohai imagines punkman as a Spartan << here have a cretan instead http://gallery.photo.net/photo/4849567-md.jpg 1190946;1436269163;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gl9Etr ) 1190947;1436269169;Adlai;vanity address of a stressed tester 1190948;1436269194;shinohai;punkman: I like it, he smokes. 1190949;1436269365;kakobrekla;dunno, my txes get confirmed in first block w/o any fees. you people don't know how to curate your outputs. 1190950;1436269398;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you have old coinbases. 1190951;1436269410;mircea_popescu;we're talking the problems of poorfags here. 1190952;1436269415;kakobrekla;old, big, curated etc 1190953;1436269428;mircea_popescu;aham. but all the curation in the world won 1190954;1436269435;mircea_popescu;'t help your .5 btc you just got from coinbase. 1190955;1436269518;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190542 <<==>> http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ 1190956;1436269518;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 03:38:12; mats: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html << news of your celebrity in .ar, bagels7 1190957;1436269519;assbot;Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha9vyF ) 1190958;1436269523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.0005312 = 3.4528 BTC [-] 1190959;1436269525;mircea_popescu;the "press" is on a repeater mode with that crud 1190960;1436269530;mircea_popescu;it has exactly 0 reporting value. 1190961;1436269659;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190599 << you have changed nothing in the scheme, just made its problems perhaps less easy to observe because hey, frantic activity with b inoculars now. 1190962;1436269659;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 04:01:47; decimation: find predictions for the time they are to occur and compare with your clock under test 1190963;1436269675;mircea_popescu;what is the difference between ntp telling you what time it is and *tp telling you what to observe ? 1190964;1436269827;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190669 << there are so many of these by now, all it takes is a little phuctor scratching to send the hive crazy. 1190965;1436269827;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 04:17:52; asciilifeform: and, in the ultimate case, the kind created by somebody who was sure that it would never be looked for. 1190966;1436269869;mircea_popescu;because "people" of the pale complexion have allowed themselves to be trained in such god-awful conformity, and the space of possibilities has lain fallow for so long, to be shat into by alf's smirking plumbooker, that it's getting fucking filled. 1190967;1436269906;shinohai;http://onerng.info/ 1190968;1436269907;assbot;OneRNG - Hardware Random Number Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1glaxCo ) 1190969;1436269923;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190686 << i still do not approve of the proof. 1190970;1436269923;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 04:26:43; *: asciilifeform confesses that he did not know this proof, and, as a student, wasted a great deal of time trying to devise such a thing 1190971;1436269978;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190714 << i thought alphabetical the most logical tbh. 1190972;1436269978;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 04:42:30; asciilifeform: other thing is, ideally the graph would be in some logical arrangement 1190973;1436270012;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190747 << heh. buy moar pmbs!! 1190974;1436270012;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 06:55:52; cazalla: well bitcoin group lost like 250k mining so the model is really just finding people to bail em out 1190975;1436270102;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190800 << which explains why they gotta be both "professionals" and "scholars'. random schmucks not a good enough descriptor, specifically ebcause it fits so well. 1190976;1436270102;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 07:51:18; punkman: "professional scholars of international relations" "30 percent of American researchers in the field say that they have a working knowledge of no language other than English, and more than half say that they rarely or never cite non-English sources in their work." 1190977;1436270123;mircea_popescu;then stolfi wonders whether i want to be this or that title. as if a title is in any way useful or related to me. 1190978;1436270131;mircea_popescu;but hey. professional scholars. all that fits in their head are names. 1190979;1436270133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12251 @ 0.00053486 = 6.5526 BTC [+] 1190980;1436270178;mircea_popescu;the names of the places they'll never see. what exactly is the difference between an academitard and a housewife watching discovery channel i shall never know. 1190981;1436270183;punkman;does US have translators that only speak English? 1190982;1436270189;mircea_popescu;they both engage in making predictions, which are about as interesting and useful. 1190983;1436270193;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1190984;1436270255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23763 @ 0.0005312 = 12.6229 BTC [-] 1190985;1436270283;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190807 << actually, muh intel found the exact stuff fca derps are derping about today, soime point in 2013. kakobrekla got put through some questioning at the time, which iirc is on the public record 1190986;1436270283;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 08:27:37; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190188 >> in fact, i did once negrate kako for fake "broker of the year" badges... 1190987;1436270312;mircea_popescu;in the end it came to exactly the same thing, not scammed anyone to anyone's knowledge, and why exactly would i put so much power in the hands of inept fiat "regulatory bodies" 1190988;1436270337;punkman;it was an old article, I also posted it before I think 1190989;1436270376;mircea_popescu;could be. 1190990;1436270395;punkman;can't find it in the logs :( 1190991;1436270492;mircea_popescu;in any case i recall f.mpif had an investment with a derivative something for a few months. 1190992;1436270526;mircea_popescu;but iirc the star trader quit and the fund closed down or somesuch. 1190993;1436270584;mircea_popescu;anyway, if he does the assbot thing i'm definitely going to allow selected l2 people to manage f.mpif pcs. 1190994;1436270587;mircea_popescu;should be the fun of all time. 1190995;1436270620;kakobrekla;well, not really quit, but euro decided to go to shit and specifications of fund did not go along with that 1190996;1436270623;punkman;why is assbot wallet needed for mpif pcs? 1190997;1436270651;mircea_popescu;punkman cuz i say ? 1190998;1436270715;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla a, right, volatility went up right then 1190999;1436270718;mircea_popescu;i recall now. 1191000;1436270724;punkman;mircea_popescu: well, sure. 1191001;1436270748;kakobrekla;there was just one possible winning move, short and dont look. 1191002;1436270809;mircea_popescu;anyway, im out. bbl. 1191003;1436271475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00053486 = 11.2588 BTC [+] 1191004;1436272512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00053307 = 12.3672 BTC [-] 1191005;1436274098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00053591 = 15.327 BTC [+] {3} 1191006;1436274341;shinohai;http://descrier.co.uk/news/uk/hsbc-employees-sacked-after-staging-isis-style-mock-execution-during-team-building-exercise/ 1191007;1436274342;assbot;HSBC employees sacked after staging ISIS-style mock execution during team building exercise | Descrier News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRt96I ) 1191008;1436274525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22418 @ 0.0005312 = 11.9084 BTC [-] 1191009;1436275684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00053854 = 22.9418 BTC [+] {3} 1191010;1436277148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34356 @ 0.0005405 = 18.5694 BTC [+] {2} 1191011;1436277392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.0005312 = 32.1907 BTC [-] 1191012;1436277770;mats;nobody can take a joke anymore 1191013;1436277957;shinohai;? 1191014;1436277970;shinohai;Oh, the article you must mean 1191015;1436278685;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190832 << yes. node - synced (as discussed yesterday.) wanted copy for study. 1191016;1436278685;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 10:50:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uh. the one published actually encompasses the first fork. i have other chains (also historical) that aren't wedged, but i had thought yours passed that point ? 1191017;1436278769;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190838 << pogo has to work when plugged into the wall! what 'switch' ?!! and you cannot learn ~anything~ about the current time from a purported block. this is circular logic!1111 block is only valid ~if~ within 2h of current time. any backflow can and will result in enemies 'nudging' the time 1191018;1436278769;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 10:58:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the entire timing discussion : suppose the pogo gets started always with a realtime switch, -time=14blablabla, and after that gets its time from the most recent block it accepts and checks for next ones being within +-7200 seconds. 1191019;1436278795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00053472 = 10.8013 BTC [+] 1191020;1436278798;asciilifeform;'gets its time from the most recent block it accepts' is a logical impossibility given the current algo for 'accept' 1191021;1436278856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00054057 = 5.4327 BTC [+] 1191022;1436278880;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190896 << by far the most interesting thing here is that every cpp programmer needs this. and it is available from dozens of vendors, as winblowz turdware of course. because ~nobody else uses cpp~ for anything 1191023;1436278880;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 11:17:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190284 << "if you need it, you'll have to write it" rule of nature stands undisturbed. 1191024;1436278950;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190906 << if i can't see how it made it, and repeat the process, it is useless to me 1191025;1436278950;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 11:19:01; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190307 << if it makes the svg it made the svg eh. 1191026;1436279051;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190911 << perhaps i should explain. dude was an odious, moralizing twerp, who played the 'holier than thou' game for ages. ru law requires ministers to declare income. he declared perhaps 1% of it. nailed fair and square. and if there is some way for him to have made that dough other than straight bribery, monkeys will fly from my arse. 1191027;1436279051;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 11:22:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190359 << i dun get it past "ru govt stole some dude's money". 1191028;1436279143;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190921 << precisely. what i was suggesting is to monotonically move the target 'harder'. 1191029;1436279143;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 11:26:51; punkman: difficulty target is a number 1191030;1436279161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00054525 = 28.5711 BTC [+] {3} 1191031;1436279161;asciilifeform;say, you get n blocks at a given target, and then the bit slides. 1191032;1436279167;shinohai;Whelp looks like I am stuck on block 363726 1191033;1436279196;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190967 << see logs. 1191034;1436279196;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 11:51:46; shinohai: http://onerng.info/ 1191035;1436279199;asciilifeform;!s onerng 1191036;1436279200;assbot;11 results for 'onerng' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=onerng 1191037;1436279222;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190969 << i would very much like to hear why ! 1191038;1436279222;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 11:52:03; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190686 << i still do not approve of the proof. 1191039;1436279261;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190971 << absolutely not. the most 'connected' node of the graph ought to live in the center of field of vision, and so forth 1191040;1436279261;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 11:52:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190714 << i thought alphabetical the most logical tbh. 1191041;1436279320;punkman;asciilifeform: how do we do infinite growth on the mining side though? 1191042;1436279321;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190768 << the solution is 'don't be poor.' 1191043;1436279321;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 07:09:24; punkman: asciilifeform: i really fail to grasp for what, precisely, it is, that we need the possibility of falling difficulty. << remember Altcoin? do you prefer the possibility of 1 block per month? 1191044;1436279343;asciilifeform;punkman: for what do you need the infinite growth ? 1191045;1436279356;punkman;asciilifeform: monotonically increasing difficulty 1191046;1436279382;asciilifeform;punkman: the solution, i now realize, is difficulty which ratchets based on actual mass of work 1191047;1436279391;asciilifeform;rather than time or block count 1191048;1436279435;asciilifeform;so target would move once sufficient work matches a harder target 1191049;1436279459;asciilifeform;(how to make this recurse correctly is an exercise for the reader) 1191050;1436279485;asciilifeform;as for why anyone would willingly move the target by solving a harder-than-required one - this ought to be obvious 1191051;1436279488;punkman;so I use a lot of hashing power for 1 hour and then make you wait 1 month for next block? 1191052;1436279501;asciilifeform;(miners want to fuck up other miners more than they wish to do anything else, it turns out) 1191053;1436279520;asciilifeform;punkman: this works only if you are the world champion by an unreasonable margin 1191054;1436279531;asciilifeform;which is why it only happens to crackpot altcoins 1191055;1436279547;asciilifeform;where such 'champions' exist 1191056;1436279615;asciilifeform;my point here is that the time thing ~will~ have to be solved, because it is by far the most comically usg-dependent aspect of bitcoin 1191057;1436279629;asciilifeform;network time is an extremely fragile political fiction 1191058;1436279633;decimation;asciilifeform: what about waiting for a few hours to observe several blocks upon pogo boot? 1191059;1436279636;asciilifeform;and to the extent bitcoind depends on it, it is broken by design. 1191060;1436279651;asciilifeform;decimation: the blocks can be 'time travelers' 1191061;1436279659;asciilifeform;transmitted just for the purpose of fucking with pogo 1191062;1436279675;asciilifeform;must understand, time is presently a criterion in whether a block is a block 1191063;1436279677;decimation;wouldn't they be rejected if 2 hours away? 1191064;1436279682;asciilifeform;from what/?? 1191065;1436279690;asciilifeform;we have no clock on powerup! 1191066;1436279724;decimation;yes, connect to a couple of remote nodes, wait for several blocks to verify (while keeping your own clock) 1191067;1436279725;asciilifeform;say i feed your pogo the entire sequence of blocks 0,5000 with the period times. now it believes that it's 2009 ? 1191068;1436279731;asciilifeform;decimation: sybils 1191069;1436279732;asciilifeform;srsly 1191070;1436279747;decimation;yes, but your sybil objection applies to all of bitcoin 1191071;1436279757;asciilifeform;not in so far as it depends on proof of work 1191072;1436279759;asciilifeform;rather than clocks 1191073;1436279760;decimation;how does anyeone know they aren't being fed bullshit? 1191074;1436279770;asciilifeform;because proof of work. 1191075;1436279771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31276 @ 0.00054622 = 17.0836 BTC [+] 1191076;1436279776;decimation;precisely 1191077;1436279785;asciilifeform;whereas we have no means of agreeing on the time. 1191078;1436279797;decimation;do you trust your own clock on the pogo? 1191079;1436279822;asciilifeform;pogo is able to keep time, in the relative sense, similar to how msdos did (periodic interrupt) 1191080;1436279829;asciilifeform;but has no notion whatsoever of political time on power-up 1191081;1436279833;Adlai;asciilifeform: actually, it also happens to non-crackpot altcoins (if such a thing exists), and multipools need to take care not to mine them too hard and kill their own geese 1191082;1436279844;decimation;precisely. pogo starts its own stopwatch, and starts watching for blocks to verify 1191083;1436279860;shinohai;https://blockchain.info/block-height/363736 <<< hmmm 1191084;1436279862;assbot;Bitcoin Blocks At Height 363736 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKcswk ) 1191085;1436279865;asciilifeform;decimation: presently, by definition they cannot verify 1191086;1436279865;decimation;over time, a chain is built which contains timestamps and relative timestamps from the pogo 1191087;1436279872;asciilifeform;because clock thinks it is 1969 1191088;1436279883;asciilifeform;and so genesis block is more than 2h in the future 1191089;1436279903;decimation;then the pogo can average the timestamps relative to its own samples of block times 1191090;1436279903;asciilifeform;if you allow purported blocks to set your rtc, you are setting yourself up for a rewind attack 1191091;1436279914;asciilifeform;if you allow it to ever move the rtc at all! 1191092;1436279916;asciilifeform;please think about it 1191093;1436279934;decimation;I agree but the enemy would have to know that this is a pogo vs. other bitcoin node 1191094;1436279950;decimation;and the node feeding bullshit would be easily identified by a running bitcoind 1191095;1436279954;Adlai;these guys have had trouble milking the udders off their cows: https://prohashing.com/help.html#payouts-computation 1191096;1436279957;asciilifeform;i can feed you easy blocks from the past and move the average wherever i want 1191097;1436279975;asciilifeform;decimation: once we are in the position of trying to 'identify bullshit' we're lost in the sea. 1191098;1436279984;asciilifeform;the thing is supposed to be solidly automatic. 1191099;1436279991;asciilifeform;with no display, keyboard, or setup ritual 1191100;1436280028;decimation;why not "reject all blocks before timestamp X" for the purpose of setting clock 1191101;1436280131;asciilifeform;the point which i am trying - and apparently failing - to make, is that the bitcoin protocol as we know it requires time to be an invariant, by which blocks are judged 1191102;1436280134;asciilifeform;and never the reverse 1191103;1436280142;asciilifeform;i didn't design the thing 1191104;1436280154;asciilifeform;but it is screamingly apparent from the design 1191105;1436280169;asciilifeform;and breaking it this way is certain to have unforeseen effects 1191106;1436280179;asciilifeform;(some of which i foresee quite clearly) 1191107;1436280225;asciilifeform;if you set the clock based on what is happening on the bitcoin network in any way, you are then in a state of sin. 1191108;1436280234;asciilifeform;(to borrow von neumann's phrase) 1191109;1436280238;decimation;agreed, it is self referential 1191110;1436280258;decimation;but apparently setting it with a sextant is also a terrible idea? 1191111;1436280266;asciilifeform;because needs hands 1191112;1436280271;asciilifeform;it has to plug into the wall and go! 1191113;1436280282;decimation;right, so push button plus astronomer in your wot 1191114;1436280288;asciilifeform;button that does what ? 1191115;1436280292;asciilifeform;hardcoded ip ? 1191116;1436280300;decimation;nope. has clock, you set 1191117;1436280308;asciilifeform;like an alarm clock ? 1191118;1436280312;decimation;sure why not 1191119;1436280314;asciilifeform;pogo has no buttons and no displays. 1191120;1436280322;decimation;well, that's a difficulty 1191121;1436280325;asciilifeform;you go to war with the pogo you have, not the pogo you wish you had, to borrow a bushism 1191122;1436280343;asciilifeform;i'd put an oven oscillator in there, and 50 years of lithium battery, sure 1191123;1436280347;decimation;the only 'fix' in that case is a separate box that serves time, under your own control 1191124;1436280348;asciilifeform;but we haven't this option. 1191125;1436280359;asciilifeform;we haven't any additional hardware 1191126;1436280366;asciilifeform;adding so much as a shoelace to pogo would multiply the cost. 1191127;1436280395;decimation;something like this chip would keep time for a long time http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/digital/real-time-clocks/DS3232.html 1191128;1436280397;assbot;DS3232 Extremely Accurate I²C RTC with Integrated Crystal and SRAM - Maxim ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKdmsR ) 1191129;1436280406;asciilifeform;there is ~no shortage~ of parts for this 1191130;1436280413;asciilifeform;we just don't have the option to use any of them. 1191131;1436280428;asciilifeform;so much as opening pogo and touching inside multiplies the cost of the operation. 1191132;1436280452;asciilifeform;incidentally, there is even an empty landing pad inside for rtc 1191133;1436280456;asciilifeform;(it was designed for one!) 1191134;1436280492;asciilifeform;but again, having this done would not only multiply the cost of the unit but add many times its cost in logistics to wherever this is done and then again to the destination. 1191135;1436280541;asciilifeform;(...and then someone has to set the fucking clocks and wrap them back in the crate? who will it be? you? me? mircea_popescu?) 1191136;1436280597;thestringpuller;i vote asciilifeform since he doesn't like leaving the house 1191137;1436280624;asciilifeform;the other thing about the whole 'let's piss on the bitcoin protocol and let blockchain move the clock' thing is that it does ~NOT~ guarantee the required accuracy! 1191138;1436280638;asciilifeform;drift by more than 2h and you're not only fucked, but will mislead others 1191139;1436280646;asciilifeform;(depending on how the clock sync is done) 1191140;1436280653;asciilifeform;this is a potentially catastrophic situation 1191141;1436280672;asciilifeform;whereas if you rely on blocks, rather than nodes, you are permitting miners to induce clockdriftforks! 1191142;1436280684;asciilifeform;which promises to be hilarious 1191143;1436280752;asciilifeform;try to remember that we are talking about deploying potentially thousands of these 1191144;1436280761;asciilifeform;the behaviour of these boxes ~actually matters~ 1191145;1436280770;asciilifeform;in that extreme dysfunction could actually frag the net 1191146;1436280799;asciilifeform;in the worst case, converting them to sybils in the service of the enemy. 1191147;1436280831;asciilifeform;i do not at present know of a non-retarded solution 1191148;1436280872;asciilifeform;but it will have to come out of somebody's arse 1191149;1436280878;asciilifeform;because the only alternative is retardation 1191150;1436280948;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu find the time to visit 'arkakao' and load up on the highest octane sugar-bomb you can! and try to conceive of a solution to this mega-conundrum 1191151;1436280950;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1191152;1436280969;asciilifeform;i shall be doing the equivalent, this week 1191153;1436280996;asciilifeform;because this is a truly dire problem, it cannot be waved away. 1191154;1436281351;asciilifeform;i will leave this with one more analogy: why did marching armies use drummers, instead of having each man push the next fellow, like in a crowded train ? 1191155;1436281376;asciilifeform;letting nodes set own clocks based on what they can see on the net is rather like the train pushers. 1191156;1436281404;asciilifeform;yes, they move... 1191157;1436281418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00054868 = 9.7116 BTC [+] 1191158;1436281476;asciilifeform;for folks who are seriously working on the problem: i presently suspect that the solution will resemble some mix of 'lamport clock' and 'the firing squad problem' 1191159;1436281479;jurov;so, to summarize. 1. time can't come from net because net ==== usg. 2. time can't come from any additional hw cuz cost 1191160;1436281493;asciilifeform;ntp == usg 1191161;1436281504;asciilifeform;bitcoin net == self-referential 1191162;1436281510;jurov;the objections can be extended to any other protocol 1191163;1436281530;thestringpuller;can't we just use sundials or something 1191164;1436281532;asciilifeform;additional hw could be acceptable if we find somebody selling usb clocks, battery included, for a few bux 1191165;1436281536;punkman;current phoundation version seems different https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/9546a977d354b2ec6cd8455538e68fe4ba343a44/src/main.cpp#L2628 1191166;1436281538;assbot;bitcoin/main.cpp at 9546a977d354b2ec6cd8455538e68fe4ba343a44 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRIhRu ) 1191167;1436281548;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: machine with no keyboard, or display, or presumption of literate owner 1191168;1436281549;punkman;I don't see local time in there 1191169;1436281575;punkman;GetMedian https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/ce56f5621a94dcc2159ebe57e43da727eab18e6c/src/chain.h#L232 1191170;1436281576;assbot;bitcoin/chain.h at ce56f5621a94dcc2159ebe57e43da727eab18e6c · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRIowv ) 1191171;1436281600;jurov;why going to such contortions with time before the rest of proto is secured? 1191172;1436281600;asciilifeform;punkman: we already know that it is a monstrous perversion that has approximately same relation to bitcoin as american 'chocolate' does to chocolate 1191173;1436281617;asciilifeform;jurov: because ~we don't have a workable scheme~ for pogo 1191174;1436281620;asciilifeform;presently 1191175;1436281635;jurov;i'm fine with ntp 1191176;1436281635;asciilifeform;i firmly believe that all of the answers proposed so far are disastrously bad 1191177;1436281662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00055025 = 20.4968 BTC [+] {2} 1191178;1436281662;asciilifeform;ntp has serious problems even aside from the central control 1191179;1436281665;asciilifeform;as a protocol 1191180;1436281667;jurov;and when there's whispernet, it can do time, too 1191181;1436281699;asciilifeform;hell, n00bz to this channel get ddosed with what else if not a thousand ntp boxes ! 1191182;1436281723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28573 @ 0.00055872 = 15.9643 BTC [+] {2} 1191183;1436281761;asciilifeform;jurov: i personally am not very interested in building a weapon of war which enemy can turn off, collectively, by flipping a switch 1191184;1436281770;jurov;oh i forgot to add to summary 3. no maintenance 1191185;1436281801;asciilifeform;jurov: unless i am mistaken, the plan was to deploy these to the homes of cooperating civilians 1191186;1436281806;asciilifeform;for 100% unattended operation 1191187;1436281823;jurov;if they're going to ddos known pogo addresses then this has no solution 1191188;1436281832;asciilifeform;don't have known addresses 1191189;1436281838;asciilifeform;or ddos mechanisms which preferentially affect pogo. 1191190;1436281841;asciilifeform;'don't be poor' 1191191;1436281869;asciilifeform;we know the basic shape of the answer, just not the particulars. 1191192;1436281917;jurov;and how'd pogos masquerade? scanning and identifying btc nodes is easy 1191193;1436281943;asciilifeform;who, precisely, can ddos (in the traditional sense) 5,000 ip ? 1191194;1436281968;punkman;usg? 1191195;1436281970;asciilifeform;the 'ddos' i'm concerned with is more that we are setting up a box with unique vulnerabilities 1191196;1436281974;jurov;if it's 5000 residential lines, then it's easy 1191197;1436281992;jurov;the civilians or their isps will stopp cooperate very quickly 1191198;1436282000;asciilifeform;jurov: if they're 5000 residential lines in usa, just send the gasenwagen, aha 1191199;1436282010;asciilifeform;this is not a mechanical problem, yes 1191200;1436282036;asciilifeform;i am concerned with 'pogos will fall like dominoes from simple and cheap nudge' rather than 'in the dark future where being a known bitcoin user merits gassing' 1191201;1436282039;jurov;so, ntp is the least worry atm 1191202;1436282044;asciilifeform;(the latter is an entirely separate conversation) 1191203;1436282070;asciilifeform;ntp means that you now have a multimegabyte leprous turd on your box. 1191204;1436282118;asciilifeform;and that the thing can be taken out of commission entirely by the cheapest mitm. 1191205;1436282122;jurov;btw, just today i got an offer for "small business" connection, it included ToS 1191206;1436282137;asciilifeform;jurov: neato 1191207;1436282143;jurov;guess what did it say? listed allowed server services 1191208;1436282151;jurov;obv. no p2p there 1191209;1436282160;punkman;asciilifeform: don't even need mitm, dozens of DoS vectors in there 1191210;1436282163;asciilifeform;jurov: residential ? 1191211;1436282164;jurov;and "must not disturb other users" 1191212;1436282178;asciilifeform;jurov: classic chumpatron. exists on this side of the atlantic, too 1191213;1436282180;punkman;reading the code is quite discouraging 1191214;1436282192;asciilifeform;'pay double for your residential line! because you are a moron and want to show it off!' 1191215;1436282203;asciilifeform;'get nothing in return but the word 'business' !!' 1191216;1436282223;jurov;and where are these mythincal civilian nonresidential lines pogo is supposed to be on? 1191217;1436282263;asciilifeform;jurov: plenty of folks lease office space. or have a non-retarded isp. etc 1191218;1436282280;jurov;lol, having your employer ddoes, yet better! 1191219;1436282292;asciilifeform;i've been running public node at home for years, in the heart of mordor 1191220;1436282297;asciilifeform;never had problem. 1191221;1436282312;jurov;so, stfu about ddosing then 1191222;1436282313;shinohai;I just pay for business class internet so no one bothers me about my activities 1191223;1436282341;asciilifeform;jurov: again, i was speaking of ddos in the sense of 'if it is trivial to take out pogo with a nudge that no one else will notice, it will be done' 1191224;1436282352;asciilifeform;rather than the classical 'ocean of shit down your pipe' sense 1191225;1436282372;jurov;but ntp flood is ocean of shit 1191226;1436282373;asciilifeform;shinohai: jurov just described a 'business class' that ~will bother~ 1191227;1436282383;asciilifeform;jurov: flood is not the only known past ntp vuln 1191228;1436282402;shinohai;T_T 1191229;1436282424;asciilifeform;what'll folks propose to put on this poor box next? 'samba' ? 1191230;1436282435;jurov;ah, so you suppose someone has ntp 0day in store for us 1191231;1436282456;asciilifeform;familiar with term 'attack surface' ? 1191232;1436282488;jurov;as opposed to "simple as possible, but no simpler"? 1191233;1436282520;jurov;ntp is simple enough in this situation 1191234;1436282529;asciilifeform;what is the shortest known implementation ? 1191235;1436282538;asciilifeform;as in, one that jurov would be willing to read & sign 1191236;1436282554;asciilifeform;must also work on uclibc and, possibly, musl 1191237;1436282557;asciilifeform;and work without invoking dns 1191238;1436282653;*;asciilifeform bbl 1191239;1436282742;jurov;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10757575/how-to-write-a-ntp-client 1191240;1436282743;assbot;c - How to write a NTP client? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQjQX7 ) 1191241;1436282759;thestringpuller;so there is no way they can increase the block size 1191242;1436282778;thestringpuller;my internet is drained right now relaying blocks, I had to shut my node off 1191243;1436282795;thestringpuller;so i can stream music from my library. these people don't know what they're talking about. 1191244;1436282862;jurov;heh. if you had a pogo, you'd just yank it from power 1191245;1436282919;jurov;i don't see where to find 5000 ppl that would tolerate such bw hog 1191246;1436282943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00056188 = 21.8571 BTC [+] {2} 1191247;1436283042;thestringpuller;jurov: if i had a pogo i would connect it to the neighbors unsecured wifi XD 1191248;1436283075;punkman;from 0.5.3 source "/// when NTP implemented, change to just nTime = GetAdjustedTime()" 1191249;1436283079;punkman;:P 1191250;1436283169;jurov;thestringpuller wih $10 wifi nic you can route bitcoind there right now, no? 1191251;1436283341;decimation;I don't get it, why do we need to run the ntp daemon to use ntp? 1191252;1436283346;decimation;just use ntpdate to set the clock once and be done 1191253;1436283350;decimation;will work for a year or two 1191254;1436283374;decimation;'civilian' chumper's electricity is probably not more reliable than that anyway 1191255;1436283431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00055182 = 22.2935 BTC [-] 1191256;1436283462;decimation;and the 'attack surface' consists of a few packets asking for the time 1191257;1436283502;thestringpuller;jurov: yea and assuming the neighbor's wifi is setup to allow incoming connections to 8333 1191258;1436283558;thestringpuller;but the main issue is that my upstream limitations are greater restricted than downstream, so when I relay blocks and tx data esp. when mempool is getting big, it chokes me from doing anything remote (like ssh is even slow) 1191259;1436283593;jurov;if you had sane router like dd-wrt or mikrotik 1191260;1436283606;jurov;you could set ougoing traffic shaper 1191261;1436283608;mike_c;omg - this better not turn out like the robot ping pong match: http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/giant-robots-set-to-fight-after-u-s-company-issues-video-challenge-to-japanese-rival-1.2456864 1191262;1436283609;assbot;Giant robots set to fight after U.S. company issues video challenge to Japanese rival | CTV News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdzqZu ) 1191263;1436283640;punkman;I can barely do 20-30kbps up without router getting constipated, at least when seeding torrents 1191264;1436283704;thestringpuller;punkman: jurov i can do up to 600kbps on torrents without seeing constipation 1191265;1436283716;thestringpuller;but bitcoind is demanding like 1mbps 1191266;1436283733;thestringpuller;which is like the upward limits set by the ISP 1191267;1436283803;jurov;the idea is, if you limit the uplink yourself before isp does, you can set priority for misc traffic 1191268;1436283837;thestringpuller;yea. torrent clients (rtorrent) let you limit from within the client 1191269;1436283866;thestringpuller;i don't understand why I should have to set iptable rules 1191270;1436283922;jurov;because bitcoind does not know how to limit itself 1191271;1436283987;jurov;in companies where i did sysadmin, outgoing email was prone to slow everything to crawl with ADSL, and obv setting limits on everyone's email clients was impractical 1191272;1436284004;jurov;after shaping and setting priorities all went fine 1191273;1436284122;decimation;at the cost of slowing email delivery 1191274;1436284130;decimation;'plox to make email faster' 1191275;1436284226;jurov;haha yes. but most of the time it just throttled it from gobbling full 768k down to 600k, not very noticeable 1191276;1436285371;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByTeP7JCMAEEymF.jpg <<< ASSet of the day. 1191277;1436285372;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKlA4a ) 1191278;1436285505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00055428 = 45.5064 BTC [+] {3} 1191279;1436286049;mats;http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid 1191280;1436286050;assbot;I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2tArT ) 1191281;1436286056;mats;loled 1191282;1436286969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00054838 = 3.6741 BTC [-] 1191283;1436287259;pete_dushenski;"The real problem: a simplistic, unworkable, and ultimately stifling conception of social justice" << sounds about right. 1191284;1436287334;lobbes;"So it's not just that students refuse to countenance uncomfortable ideas — they refuse to engage them, period. Engagement is considered unnecessary, as the immediate, emotional reactions of students contain all the analysis and judgment that sensitive issues demand." << ayup 1191285;1436287345;pete_dushenski;"All the old, enlightened means of discussion and analysis —from due process to scientific method — are dismissed as being blind to emotional concerns and therefore unfairly skewed toward the interest of straight white males" << moar gold. 1191286;1436287857;punkman;"I have intentionally adjusted my teaching materials as the political winds have shifted." "While I used to pride myself on getting students to question themselves and engage with difficult concepts and texts, I now hesitate. What if this hurts my evaluations and I don't get tenure?" 1191287;1436287877;punkman;yeah what if you don't get tenure 1191288;1436288189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7856 @ 0.00056463 = 4.4357 BTC [+] 1191289;1436288913;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-06-2015#1153360 << previous thread 1191290;1436288913;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 17:58:37; ben_vulpes: (unrelated: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid) 1191291;1436289409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00056659 = 19.6607 BTC [+] {2} 1191292;1436289948;trinque;punkman | does 0.0001 still get you in next block? << this is what deedbot- pays 1191293;1436290176;trinque;asciilifeform: I got clang to fart out a graphviz dot file; so far, every tool that can eat the thing results in a horrid ball of yarn 1191294;1436290194;trinque;noticed that many of the tools there are more or less the same java program 1191295;1436290229;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1191296;1436290236;trinque;I'm not even going to share the result; just take a pen and go nuts on a piece of paper and you'll have it 1191297;1436290263;ascii_field;trinque: the 'dot' file, does it contain something like a logical flow graph ? 1191298;1436290265;ascii_field;in whatever format 1191299;1436290327;trinque;yeah it's a directed graph; however, clang also barfed lots of unnamed nodes 1191300;1436290332;trinque;Node0xd2ace8391f0 1191301;1436290335;trinque;so on 1191302;1436290337;ascii_field;then useless 1191303;1436290339;trinque;yep 1191304;1436290368;ascii_field;this is so infuriatingly basic 1191305;1436290376;ascii_field;just want a matrix of what calls what 1191306;1436290378;shinohai;https://github.com/zrm/snowhttps://github.com/zrm/snow 1191307;1436290379;assbot;Page not found · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLjHlY ) 1191308;1436290385;trinque;I cannot see how this tool does not exist 1191309;1436290391;shinohai;bleh: https://github.com/zrm/snow 1191310;1436290392;assbot;zrm/snow · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLjFKO ) 1191311;1436290392;trinque;except that C++ itself foils any attempt 1191312;1436290403;ascii_field;shinohai: see log 1191313;1436290413;trinque;!s 1191314;1436290413;assbot;Need a search term. 1191315;1436290415;trinque;!s snow 1191316;1436290416;assbot;173 results for 'snow' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=snow 1191317;1436290437;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-07-2015#1190630 1191318;1436290437;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 04:08:49; decimation: asciilifeform: https://github.com/zrm/snow < I thought this could be it, but then saw the deps list 1191319;1436290438;ascii_field;shinohai,: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190632 1191320;1436290438;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 04:08:54; asciilifeform: mats: what is interesting about it ? 1191321;1436290457;shinohai;Hmm missed that. Interesting concept 1191322;1436290495;ascii_field;nah 1191323;1436290499;ascii_field;same crud as 'tor' 1191324;1436290502;ascii_field;for same reason. 1191325;1436290511;ascii_field;faux p2p 1191326;1436290629;trinque;ascii_field: did you see the awesome glsa on icu yesterday? 1191327;1436290635;trinque;https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/201507-04 1191328;1436290635;assbot;Gentoo Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL0QJY ) 1191329;1436290693;trinque;notable packages linked against icu on my box include.... firefox 1191330;1436290698;ascii_field;aha 1191331;1436290711;trinque;lol and chrome has it too 1191332;1436290731;jurov;trinque deedbot now has only enough for 27 blocks? 1191333;1436290744;trinque;jurov: enough of a balance? 1191334;1436290750;jurov;yes 1191335;1436290759;trinque;there are a few other unspent outputs 1191336;1436290763;trinque;it will switch to the next 1191337;1436290785;jurov;oh i see 1191338;1436290844;trinque;and if it gets low, feel free to throw some bitdust in the tank 1191339;1436290849;trinque;should be good for a while though 1191340;1436290859;trinque;I see 0.1028202 BTC 1191341;1436290931;trinque;now that the de-dockerization is complete, I may have it announce its current balance along with newly uploaded deeds 1191342;1436291178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00056737 = 12.8793 BTC [+] {2} 1191343;1436291216;ascii_field;trinque: and guess what, rebuilding all the deps of that thing would take a month+ on my box 1191344;1436291225;ascii_field;and that's ~after~ resolving the circular dependencies 1191345;1436291283;trinque;I will never mock stallman emailing himself static html ever again. 1191346;1436291335;trinque;I've half considered trying to stop using the web so much, aside from maybe syncing certain sites to a local box. 1191347;1436291344;trinque;it's clearly *all* irreparably fucked. 1191348;1436291544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00056658 = 4.1927 BTC [-] 1191349;1436291630;ascii_field;.... and how much shitgnomism is rolled into the 'updated' version of 10,001 proggies that will install. 1191350;1436291847;trinque;nowhere clearer than the recent 1m+ lines-changed linux release 1191351;1436291910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00056872 = 33.327 BTC [+] {3} 1191352;1436291988;ascii_field;at this point, any unixlike box with a graphical display may as well be running winblowz 1191353;1436292398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00056891 = 9.4439 BTC [+] {2} 1191354;1436292611;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1191355;1436292624;ascii_field;everyone who ever made fun of rms deserves to be fed a litre of 'toe jam' now. 1191356;1436292627;ascii_field;and every day. 1191357;1436292739;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i know i'm fed up with random shit depending on random shit, but it's not mere stupidity. it's just them trying to make sure shit permeates everywhere. 1191358;1436292751;ascii_field;aha 1191359;1436292751;mircea_popescu;oh, openssl put out a bug ? best make sure the fucking calculator pulls it in. 1191360;1436292766;punkman;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/drone-fires-burgers-at-the-homeless-in-charity-viral-video-gone-wrong-10372457.html 1191361;1436292767;assbot;Drone fires burgers at the homeless in charity viral video gone wrong - Americas - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdQJcW ) 1191362;1436292767;ascii_field;elementary. 1191363;1436292770;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the switch : let's talk it through. 1191364;1436292785;*;ascii_field stands up ears 1191365;1436292788;mircea_popescu;so, when you start the pogo, you provide it with the human touch, divine spark, politica time. 1191366;1436292799;mircea_popescu;this, you have to do. like it or not we dunno how to abstract it away. 1191367;1436292811;mircea_popescu;from there on, iut carries on by simply syncing its clock to last accepted block. 1191368;1436292811;ascii_field;howabout at 4am on a sunday when the mains flickers ? 1191369;1436292817;mircea_popescu;yes this opens it up to attack, but 1191370;1436292825;mircea_popescu;you take it down and start it over with new magic touch 1191371;1436292833;ascii_field;congrats, now pogo behaves like the clock on my stove 1191372;1436292834;mircea_popescu;inconvenience is not a controlling point here. 1191373;1436292837;mircea_popescu;it does yes. 1191374;1436292839;ascii_field;except with no display ! 1191375;1436292840;mircea_popescu;what can we do ? 1191376;1436292845;ascii_field;what, i'm to poll it ? 1191377;1436292857;mircea_popescu;its principal function ius being polled anyway 1191378;1436292867;ascii_field;now it is no longer a civilian box 1191379;1436292879;mircea_popescu;i am sorry you can't have candy kalash. 1191380;1436292883;ascii_field;whole point was 'here let me fuck you and plug this box into your router' 1191381;1436292900;ascii_field;not 'learn to maintain this steam engine' 1191382;1436292908;mircea_popescu;it is held together by the superficial tension of frog entails. 1191383;1436292916;mircea_popescu;nevertyheless, that is a marked improvement over the current situation 1191384;1436292926;ascii_field;i am not sure how this improves on anything 1191385;1436292927;mircea_popescu;held together by the superficial tension of hemorhagic diarhea 1191386;1436292951;mircea_popescu;illustrate an attack for my benefit. 1191387;1436292962;danielpbarron;isn't there supposed to be a way to send commands to the pogo? otherwise how is it useful to me as a "full node" if I can't query it for blocks/transactions and relay new ones I have created for it? 1191388;1436292963;ascii_field;with the scheme described, you don't even need an attack 1191389;1436292966;ascii_field;they never get off the ground at all 1191390;1436292979;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron query yes, order notrly. 1191391;1436293008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00055975 = 12.4265 BTC [-] {2} 1191392;1436293020;mircea_popescu;ascii_field is the things' processor freq known ? 1191393;1436293025;ascii_field;the idea, as i understood it, was to let folks set up nodes without human committment 1191394;1436293040;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes, though i've forgotten the exact number. 500MHz i think it was. 1191395;1436293048;mircea_popescu;this obviously can be measured 1191396;1436293053;ascii_field;it keeps time fine! 1191397;1436293055;ascii_field;i said this 1191398;1436293057;mircea_popescu;i mean, by siomething running on the box in question 1191399;1436293061;ascii_field;just not when powered down! 1191400;1436293073;ascii_field;but keeps perfect interrupt-based clock when running 1191401;1436293077;ascii_field;at least as good as pc 1191402;1436293091;ascii_field;this doesn't need any magic, it works on trad kernel 1191403;1436293096;ascii_field;right now. 1191404;1436293108;mircea_popescu;and you don't like having to start it by manual command because myeah. 1191405;1436293130;ascii_field;because these are to be given to folks who will not volunteer any meat commitment 1191406;1436293134;ascii_field;but will agree to plug in box 1191407;1436293137;ascii_field;or so was my understanding 1191408;1436293144;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1191409;1436293184;mircea_popescu;and setting the time to "timestamp of the last block it actually has on disk" is going to what ? 1191410;1436293193;ascii_field;see today's thread 1191411;1436293194;ascii_field;plz 1191412;1436293203;mircea_popescu;i have. but tell me again. 1191413;1436293208;ascii_field;for one thing, there may not be any blocks on disk 1191414;1436293209;mircea_popescu;repetition is not always a sin. 1191415;1436293214;ascii_field;for another, it could be days, weeks, months old 1191416;1436293228;mircea_popescu;but the next block it gets wouldn't be more than two hours off. 1191417;1436293232;mircea_popescu;even if it is months old. 1191418;1436293233;ascii_field;wat???? 1191419;1436293241;ascii_field;it'll be 2 hrs delta to the last known! 1191420;1436293243;mircea_popescu;if last block it has is x, 5 weeks old 1191421;1436293244;ascii_field;this is elementary 1191422;1436293248;mircea_popescu;block x+1 will not be current 1191423;1436293256;ascii_field;it will be 'from the future' 1191424;1436293262;mircea_popescu;it will be 5 weeks old +- 10 minutes 1191425;1436293263;ascii_field;because machine thinks it is '69 1191426;1436293263;mircea_popescu;mno 1191427;1436293270;mircea_popescu;ah if nothing on disk yes. 1191428;1436293277;mircea_popescu;but we were discussing "block on disk is 5 weeks old" 1191429;1436293281;ascii_field;and if something on disk, then perhaps it is 2009 1191430;1436293285;mircea_popescu;so ? 1191431;1436293285;ascii_field;from the cpu's pov 1191432;1436293294;ascii_field;and any incoming block is invalid, because 'from the future' 1191433;1436293295;mircea_popescu;the next block to wahtever it has on disk is not going to be too much from the future. 1191434;1436293298;mircea_popescu;no. 1191435;1436293303;ascii_field;>2h --> too far 1191436;1436293309;ascii_field;according to the traditional bitcoin protocol. 1191437;1436293315;mircea_popescu;again : if you have block x, from a year ago, when you get block x+1, the styamp on block x+1 will be, 1year ago + 10 minutes 1191438;1436293317;ascii_field;realize, time is specified as an invariant 1191439;1436293334;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1191440;1436293341;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if we lack a clock, we are wide open to replay attack 1191441;1436293349;mircea_popescu;illustrate. 1191442;1436293349;ascii_field;because the box has no idea what year it actually is 1191443;1436293357;ascii_field;much less what time 1191444;1436293375;ascii_field;even if you weasel out of this one by hardcoding block hashes, etc 1191445;1436293385;mircea_popescu;just build an example wouldja. 1191446;1436293386;ascii_field;you are still open to crafted, induced clock drift 1191447;1436293411;ascii_field;fine, example. malicious miner starts crapping out blocks with timestamp more and more off in the future 1191448;1436293420;ascii_field;little by little, 5000 pogos slide with it 1191449;1436293425;ascii_field;eventually fork. 1191450;1436293430;mircea_popescu;wait a second. 1191451;1436293434;mircea_popescu;what % hash does this miner have ? 1191452;1436293435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4454 @ 0.0005699 = 2.5383 BTC [+] 1191453;1436293435;ascii_field;not a proper fork 1191454;1436293439;ascii_field;but a network split 1191455;1436293454;ascii_field;where pogo fleet is now own parallel universe 1191456;1436293476;mircea_popescu;this is a horribru example. so, miner has 10% of the hash, 10% of the bnlocks are badly timed. what of it, pogo resets on the remainder. 1191457;1436293482;mircea_popescu;this isn't an attack. 1191458;1436293489;ascii_field;resets ? 1191459;1436293491;ascii_field;why ? 1191460;1436293506;mircea_popescu;because you mined block 5, with a bad time, someone else mines 6 with a right time, pogo is now on block 6. 1191461;1436293508;ascii_field;all it sees is 'block was broadcast, has timestamp t, average it now' 1191462;1436293523;ascii_field;there is no 'bad time', normally there is 2hrs of 'play' in the gears 1191463;1436293523;mircea_popescu;no average. set clock = timestamp of last block 1191464;1436293534;ascii_field;all the malicious miner needs to do is keep nudging withing the allowed bounds 1191465;1436293546;mircea_popescu;you've not yet constructed a credible example. 1191466;1436293565;ascii_field;let's suppose a powered-up pogo sets clock using first block it sees 1191467;1436293570;ascii_field;what if said block is a 'martian' block ? 1191468;1436293572;mircea_popescu;last it sees on disk. 1191469;1436293576;mircea_popescu;not first block it sees. 1191470;1436293581;ascii_field;clean disk! 1191471;1436293586;mircea_popescu;forget that for a moment. 1191472;1436293593;mircea_popescu;let's consider the not clean disk situation 1191473;1436293604;ascii_field;how did the disk become not empty ? 1191474;1436293610;ascii_field;dropped by god ? 1191475;1436293611;mircea_popescu;can you forget that for a moment ? 1191476;1436293614;ascii_field;ok... 1191477;1436293621;mircea_popescu;suppose it's not empty. so, pogo thinks time = last block on disk 1191478;1436293630;mircea_popescu;once it accepts a further block, it resets its clock too. 1191479;1436293638;jurov;because you mined block 5, with a bad time, someone else mines 6 << and it will get dropped because pogo considers delta from 5 invalid 1191480;1436293643;mircea_popescu;now, this theoretically is vulnerable. but practically, can you construct the attack for me ? 1191481;1436293643;ascii_field;^^^^ 1191482;1436293651;ascii_field;ok: 1191483;1436293658;mircea_popescu;jurov 5 couldn't have been that far off and be accepted from 4. 1191484;1436293667;jurov;whuy not? 1191485;1436293673;ascii_field;next block is from hitler. it has timestamp of... yesterday. 1191486;1436293681;mircea_popescu;it gets rejected 1191487;1436293686;mircea_popescu;can't be next block. hitler lost. 1191488;1436293686;ascii_field;then genuine block appears. it now appears to be 'from the future' 1191489;1436293688;ascii_field;is rejected. 1191490;1436293690;mircea_popescu;nope. 1191491;1436293695;mircea_popescu;hitler's block was already rejected. 1191492;1436293699;ascii_field;why? 1191493;1436293704;mircea_popescu;because it was from yesterday. 1191494;1436293713;ascii_field;how does node know this? 1191495;1436293719;ascii_field;how old is the chain on disk 1191496;1436293726;mircea_popescu;because when hitler block shows up, the disk has a block it ends with 1191497;1436293742;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter how old that block is. the block coming after it will be ~10 minutes later. 1191498;1436293748;ascii_field;in order for it to be rejected. the chain on disk will have to be no more than a day behind 1191499;1436293754;mircea_popescu;not so. 1191500;1436293765;ascii_field;ok, say chain is a week out of date 1191501;1436293768;mircea_popescu;lemme model this maybe i'm saying it stupidly. 1191502;1436293770;ascii_field;on what basis is hitler's block rejected ? 1191503;1436293781;mircea_popescu;so, pogo has on disk last block 5, bvlock timestamp 1000 1191504;1436293784;ascii_field;the cpu clock is currently 1969 midnight 1191505;1436293788;mircea_popescu;at real timestamp 5000 pogo starts 1191506;1436293796;mircea_popescu;it receives block 6, with timestamp 1010. accepts it. 1191507;1436293806;mircea_popescu;it receives alt block 6, timestamp 990. it rejects it 1191508;1436293845;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i can see where you're going. but it still can be sunk 1191509;1436293858;mircea_popescu;to answer your q : hitler's block is rejected on the basis that it's too far off from the last block pogo accepted. 1191510;1436293863;mircea_popescu;well, i suppose maybe it can, but show it to me ? 1191511;1436293884;ascii_field;hitler uses his week while your node was in the crate to re-mine the blocks from the last place you have on disk, with minimal plausible monotonically stepping time deltas 1191512;1436293894;ascii_field;you are now four hours, say, behind the actual earth time 1191513;1436293897;mircea_popescu;ok. but the expense of this is staggering. 1191514;1436293902;ascii_field;next block appears to be from the future 1191515;1436293917;mircea_popescu;yes. the only way this attack would work is with a major chain replacement investment. 1191516;1436293920;ascii_field;only staggering if all he has is a week 1191517;1436293923;mircea_popescu;i daresay this is within engineering tolerance. 1191518;1436293924;ascii_field;if he has a year ? 1191519;1436293928;mircea_popescu;even if he has a year 1191520;1436293938;mircea_popescu;in a year he has to replace a million btc worth of blocks. 1191521;1436293960;ascii_field;hitler is only half of the problem here 1191522;1436293965;ascii_field;other half is natural drift 1191523;1436293965;mircea_popescu;go on. 1191524;1436293975;mircea_popescu;natural drift is a problem, yes, but you reset on each block. 1191525;1436293976;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191154 1191526;1436293976;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 15:02:31; asciilifeform: i will leave this with one more analogy: why did marching armies use drummers, instead of having each man push the next fellow, like in a crowded train ? 1191527;1436293996;mircea_popescu;it is a form of dead reckoning, yes. so bad in principle. 1191528;1436293999;mircea_popescu;in practice, it's mediated 1191529;1436294012;ascii_field;so now miners get to move pogo clocks around collectively. 1191530;1436294016;mircea_popescu;ie, exactly like drummers (if you think about it, drummers are EXACTLY each guy pushing the other, sound has a speed, and it pushes ears) 1191531;1436294018;ascii_field;as if miners were not enough of an evil 1191532;1436294026;mircea_popescu;they are not an evil you may divorce. 1191533;1436294045;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the speed of the sound of the drum is negligible in comparison to the speed at which push wave propagates through a crowd 1191534;1436294052;mircea_popescu;exactly what im saying here. 1191535;1436294053;ascii_field;unless the crowd is in a gasenwagen and behaves like a solid 1191536;1436294057;mircea_popescu;natural drift and alt-chain attacks have a cost. 1191537;1436294075;ascii_field;delay is negligible, rather 1191538;1436294077;ascii_field;not speed 1191539;1436294078;ascii_field;lol 1191540;1436294103;mircea_popescu;just pointing out that drums were good enough for marching and not good enough for precision bomb strike 1191541;1436294107;mircea_popescu;just so here. 1191542;1436294141;jurov;how is the timing attack different from normal orphans? 1191543;1436294159;mircea_popescu;orphans are judged on sheer blockchain length 1191544;1436294160;ascii_field;jurov: mainly in that it affects pogos and nobody else 1191545;1436294173;jurov;pogo will eventually reorganize, and reset the time back to where the for started 1191546;1436294179;jurov;*fork 1191547;1436294192;mircea_popescu;ascii_field anyway, mind that pogos are not intended to be THE ONLY solution to relaying. they are just supposed to be a type of solution. 1191548;1436294213;mircea_popescu;so yes, the rifle regiment wouldn't survive cavalry charge from the side. alrighty then, put them on a hillltop. 1191549;1436294255;ascii_field;thing is, i can easily see these becoming 99% of the relay mass 1191550;1436294267;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1191551;1436294301;mircea_popescu;it's not that i don't appreciate your intellectual purity. it's merely that things must be made as correct as possible and no correcter than that. 1191552;1436294331;ascii_field;this terrible kludge would probably go well with jurov's 1191553;1436294336;ascii_field;alone, either is nightmarish 1191554;1436294342;ascii_field;but together they sorta cancel out 1191555;1436294347;mircea_popescu;the only correct solution to the problems of humanity is killing all the people. 1191556;1436294355;mircea_popescu;we really want to stop somewhere short of this. 1191557;1436294394;mircea_popescu;anyway, not that i'm saying this must be done or anything. but i do not think it'd be the end of the world if it has to be. 1191558;1436294411;ascii_field;so far there appear to be just these two solutions 1191559;1436294417;ascii_field;no one else has proposed anything like a third 1191560;1436294433;mircea_popescu;yes, but you didn't care much for it. usb timer dongle thinger 1191561;1436294434;ascii_field;(anything requiring the pogo keeper to have hands and brain is not a solution) 1191562;1436294441;mircea_popescu;it has the major problem of costing more money. 1191563;1436294445;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: may as well ship a pc then! 1191564;1436294449;mircea_popescu;quite. 1191565;1436294482;mircea_popescu;it is not your fault, or mine, or his, that "the time" does not come engraved in the wave fucntion you know. 1191566;1436294485;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1191567;1436294494;mircea_popescu;the time is nonsense in the first place. 1191568;1436294495;ascii_field;that this was a constraint, i warned from day 1 1191569;1436294517;ascii_field;and i still think that dependence on political time is a serious flaw in bitcoin proper 1191570;1436294535;jurov;also there is my doubt of finding 5000 or how many ppl that won't mind pogo trampling upon their connection and likely inviting attacks 1191571;1436294543;mircea_popescu;ok, how about this alternative : put a special time server on the pogo itself, have the pogo sync its time from the list of approved upstream sources. 1191572;1436294560;mircea_popescu;(same list as it takes blocks from) 1191573;1436294564;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you realize that is exactly how the ntp nodes with which we're ddosed work 1191574;1436294587;mircea_popescu;yes i realise. but at least these are our evil nodes rather than obama's evil nodes. 1191575;1436294596;mircea_popescu;look, there's only so many corners to a square box. 1191576;1436294600;ascii_field;so now we're asking for a non-retarded complete reimplementation of ntp. 1191577;1436294614;mircea_popescu;i blame you. 1191578;1436294632;ascii_field;i blame retardatoshi 1191579;1436294649;mircea_popescu;anyway. the problem of time (as you rightly observe) is a larger problem than anything bitcoin solves 1191580;1436294659;mircea_popescu;thus, can't really blame it for the situation. 1191581;1436294670;ascii_field;bitcoin did not have to depend on it 1191582;1436294675;mircea_popescu;yes, it did. 1191583;1436294687;ascii_field;what's wrong with monotonic retargeting ? 1191584;1436294700;mircea_popescu;didja miss the line where i said you can't have a statistical sample of one ? 1191585;1436294707;ascii_field;no need for sample 1191586;1436294731;mircea_popescu;there is no way to distinguish between a block mined at difficulty x that came out with 9 leading zeroes and a block mined at difficulty 1 that came out randomly with that many zeroes. 1191587;1436294738;ascii_field;say, anyone who can hash faster than strictly required to win the race, ends up pushing the target towards hardness 1191588;1436294748;mircea_popescu;this dies. 1191589;1436294752;ascii_field;hm? 1191590;1436294766;mircea_popescu;this dies, because you will find a random block which is 00000000000000000000000000000f and game over. 1191591;1436294769;mircea_popescu;can't replicate your luck. 1191592;1436294771;ascii_field;for so long as the 'lucky strikes' can't nudge too far 1191593;1436294773;ascii_field;it lives 1191594;1436294774;ascii_field;no? 1191595;1436294776;mircea_popescu;wrong you are 1191596;1436294782;mircea_popescu;luck can come out any way it pleases. 1191597;1436294787;ascii_field;would be interesting to model this 1191598;1436294790;mircea_popescu;go right ahead. 1191599;1436294802;ascii_field;it is rather reminiscent of 'there is nonzero chance for you to fall through the floor' 1191600;1436294806;mircea_popescu;the chance to die approaches infinity much before you even get a third halving 1191601;1436294838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19998 @ 0.0005699 = 11.3969 BTC [+] 1191602;1436294838;mircea_popescu;you're basically proposing we do a "your rent is a tenth of your income or more, forever. and you play the lottery daily." 1191603;1436294861;mircea_popescu;what do you do two weeks after you won the lottery ? 1191604;1436294867;mircea_popescu;win it again ? with what money ? 1191605;1436294890;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you've described... farming! 1191606;1436294895;mircea_popescu;so i have. 1191607;1436294896;ascii_field;gotta eat every day 1191608;1436294899;mircea_popescu;farming, you will notice, died out. 1191609;1436294902;ascii_field;crop can die, if it wants 1191610;1436294923;mircea_popescu;moreover, this retarded version of farming is more like, "Farming done by bacteria colony. doubles every time there's food." 1191611;1436294937;mircea_popescu;ie, african farming. 1191612;1436294939;ascii_field;the 'double' thing is negotiable, potentially 1191613;1436294948;ascii_field;recall, we are thinking of all possible formulations 1191614;1436294954;mircea_popescu;not so negotiable. anyway, you DO need the sampling, and that fucks it all up 1191615;1436294955;ascii_field;not merely the one we use now 1191616;1436294959;mircea_popescu;even so. 1191617;1436294989;mircea_popescu;do not let me stand in between you and greatness. but until the day you shit out that magic, it's no magic time. 1191618;1436295022;ascii_field;not that i seriously disagree with mircea_popescu's intuition, but it is not obviously clear to me that we're speaking of a perpetuum mobile 1191619;1436295035;ascii_field;perhaps i will need more ice cream to work through this one 1191620;1436295041;mircea_popescu;which is why i say. 1191621;1436295046;mircea_popescu;go, find. 1191622;1436295083;ascii_field;i agree, this is very much a 'go, find' rather than 'sure to be found' 1191623;1436295103;ascii_field;let's imagine, briefly, that i ~do~ find. 1191624;1436295105;ascii_field;then? 1191625;1436295106;mircea_popescu;back at sad farm, there's really little we can do with the bitcoin as it is, other than acquiesce to the filth of human notions of time. 1191626;1436295113;mircea_popescu;then maybe it's time for ada. 1191627;1436295191;ascii_field;incidentally, the answer, if it exists to be found, probably involves what fuller might've labeled 'tensegrity' 1191628;1436295196;mircea_popescu;i am maybe not the first but definitely not the last to admit when satoshi did the dumb. nevertheless, here he did no such thing. there is no alternative known to literature, and you can't fault a man for not coming up with a novel star. 1191629;1436295203;ascii_field;where there is a 'tug of war' among top contenders for pulling difficulty up 1191630;1436295211;ascii_field;and nobody can get too lucky 1191631;1436295213;mircea_popescu;that centralizes 1191632;1436295229;mircea_popescu;because it is game theoretically advantageous to have a central scheduler. 1191633;1436295245;ascii_field;gotta have the prisoner's dilemma come out against it 1191634;1436295249;ascii_field;that is, for defection to be +ev 1191635;1436295251;mircea_popescu;not that bitcoin doesn't centralize, a little. but this is criminal. 1191636;1436295265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30009 @ 0.00057011 = 17.1084 BTC [+] {2} 1191637;1436295265;mircea_popescu;not sure that can be arranged. prolly can be made to appear it was arranged, but... 1191638;1436295273;ascii_field;could one design a system where fucking the lizards is always +ev ? 1191639;1436295283;mircea_popescu;no. 1191640;1436295290;mircea_popescu;this is necessarily the case, if you think about it. 1191641;1436295317;ascii_field;not lizard unless untouchable ? 1191642;1436295335;mircea_popescu;depends how you define it, but there's also the problem of "you're the lizard, bob." 1191643;1436295351;mircea_popescu;you know, when the holy paladin marches into the forest to kill the unseen devils that have been upsetting the natural order of the land 1191644;1436295358;mircea_popescu;oinly to discover that indeed such devils do exist. him. 1191645;1436295376;ascii_field;methinks we're at the point here where one could actually build a mathematical thing 1191646;1436295380;ascii_field;and play with the knobs 1191647;1436295391;mircea_popescu;i think it's prolly premature 1191648;1436295396;mircea_popescu;but i think we eventually will. 1191649;1436295491;ascii_field;another suggestion: vectorize the difficulty 1191650;1436295502;ascii_field;(presently, it is a scalar; but doesn't have to be) 1191651;1436295565;mircea_popescu;you are aware of the complexity that introduces in say an attempt at mathematical provability re the entire shenanigan ? 1191652;1436295566;ascii_field;http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/basni/20026929/902/902_320.jpg 1191653;1436295566;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHqsGd ) 1191654;1436295573;ascii_field;^ anyone ~not~ know this folktale ? 1191655;1436295591;mircea_popescu;"racul, broasca si o stiuca" 1191656;1436295596;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually it may very well be formalizable game-theoretically 1191657;1436295606;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes!! 1191658;1436295616;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI08e8UbRBU << there you go, ~ROMANIAN~ oldies. 1191659;1436295617;assbot;Semnal M - Racul, broasca si o stiuca [Romanian Oldies] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHqA8K ) 1191660;1436295629;*;ascii_field wonders if it was originally a ro tale 1191661;1436295641;ascii_field;or hell knows, visigoth 1191662;1436295646;mircea_popescu;i think it was eastern european folklore 1191663;1436295657;mircea_popescu;prolly yidish 1191664;1436295670;ascii_field;has the flavour, yes 1191665;1436295674;mircea_popescu;anyway, took down (as folklore) by one alexandru donici in the 1800s 1191666;1436295783;ascii_field;proof of work as hilbert space... 1191667;1436295801;mircea_popescu;you know the recourse to complexity is an academic habit. 1191668;1436295808;ascii_field;not complexity ! 1191669;1436295818;ascii_field;what we have now - ~that~ is complexity. just unexamined kind. 1191670;1436295825;mircea_popescu;also true. 1191671;1436295844;ascii_field;when you ~actually~ (vs. academitard-pretend) nail something down - that is a reduction in complexity. 1191672;1436295859;mircea_popescu;but you've not nailed something down. you just hope saint hilbert may. 1191673;1436295860;ascii_field;can't promise this 'before next tuesday' 1191674;1436295865;ascii_field;but the possibility is there 1191675;1436295885;mircea_popescu;all sorts of possibilities are here, provided you don't go into geographical details 1191676;1436295895;ascii_field;yes, possibly i triggered somebody's allergy by mentioning a maths dude 1191677;1436295920;mircea_popescu;no, we're friends with hilbert, and i don't think it's a bad idea, either. 1191678;1436295923;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... 1191679;1436295936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00057071 = 10.9576 BTC [+] 1191680;1436295987;punkman;mircea_popescu: this dies, because you will find a random block which is 00000000000000000000000000000f and game over. << this is incorrect. you don't infer the target from the hash. 256bit target is included in all block headers. 1191681;1436296006;mircea_popescu;punkman he wants to infer the target from the hash. 1191682;1436296020;ascii_field;punkman: we were contemplating a hypothetical clockless blockchain 1191683;1436296031;ascii_field;where miners slowly make life harder for themselves 1191684;1436296036;ascii_field;but not too slowly, and not too quickly 1191685;1436296044;punkman;you could very easily have monotonically increasing target 1191686;1436296047;ascii_field;and - somehow - can't collude 1191687;1436296055;mircea_popescu;basically he could be in government : he's decided to externalise the cost he can't bore 1191688;1436296056;ascii_field;punkman: no good, as pointed out earlier, because finite planet 1191689;1436296058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25708 @ 0.00055537 = 14.2775 BTC [-] {2} 1191690;1436296062;mircea_popescu;and he's picked the dumbest link to do it to 1191691;1436296071;mircea_popescu;wash dc is washing on you alfie. 1191692;1436296077;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: right now we have usg clock! 1191693;1436296081;ascii_field;what could possibly be worse 1191694;1436296084;punkman;ascii_field: well yeah that was my objection, need to be able to adjust downward 1191695;1436296085;mircea_popescu;chinese miners. 1191696;1436296109;mircea_popescu;you remember ? locusts ? 1191697;1436296139;*;ascii_field feels like he took that potion from lem's 'futurological congress', which makes one realize that he had no robot servants, just leprous wretches dressed in gabage cans clanking around as 'robots' 1191698;1436296149;ascii_field;and they aren't sweeping the house, but shitting on the carpet 1191699;1436296159;mircea_popescu;shweeping. 1191700;1436296163;ascii_field;aha. 1191701;1436296209;jurov;actually, we have an usg internet, too 1191702;1436296220;mircea_popescu;the only new thing in the world is the history you didn't know, and the only thing that's worse than what we have today 1191703;1436296222;mircea_popescu;is what comes tomorrow. 1191704;1436296243;decimation;I didn't realize that usg owns time now too 1191705;1436296248;ascii_field;jurov: it is at least theoretically possible to build a non-usg network 1191706;1436296250;decimation;can't someone in china look at the sky? 1191707;1436296254;mircea_popescu;decimation the human idea of time, yes. 1191708;1436296267;ascii_field;but the mystery of building a non-usg and non-usg-pushable political clock remains, afaik, a mystery 1191709;1436296276;decimation;don't need cesium to keep time to 2hr window 1191710;1436296289;mircea_popescu;you don't appreciate the depth of this problem 1191711;1436296293;ascii_field;^ 1191712;1436296303;mircea_popescu;think of time as capital, and think you're that anon president that opposed hamilton 1191713;1436296330;mircea_popescu;and think "hey, my clock can keep time within two hours, how would those newfangled financial traders and hedge funds render me destitute on the cointinent my fathers conquered ?!?!?!" 1191714;1436296335;decimation;adams? 1191715;1436296339;mircea_popescu;mno. 1191716;1436296341;mircea_popescu;jefferson. 1191717;1436296362;jurov;"imperial time" 1191718;1436296386;jurov;gotta revert to julian calendar? 1191719;1436296397;mircea_popescu;precision is the problem 1191720;1436296410;decimation;umm, okay 1191721;1436296412;mircea_popescu;unless you discover a more precise clock, and keep it from the enemy, such that you can exploit his misclicks and take his women 1191722;1436296416;mircea_popescu;you ain't got nottin. 1191723;1436296435;decimation;well, if you only used the sun and the rotation of the earth, you would be ~60 seconds of utc (starting around 1960) 1191724;1436296437;mircea_popescu;it is not coincidental that "finance" reduced to hft. 1191725;1436296446;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1191726;1436296449;ascii_field;https://blog.8thlight.com/rylan-dirksen/2013/10/04/synchronization-in-a-distributed-system.html << obligatory 1191727;1436296450;assbot;Synchronization in a Distributed System | 8th Light ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHrSjS ) 1191728;1436296465;ascii_field;^ state of the art for p2p ~ordering of events~ - rather than absolute time 1191729;1436296469;decimation;are we worrying about relativistic bitcoin? 1191730;1436296480;mircea_popescu;ordering has jack shit to do with timekeeping 1191731;1436296486;mircea_popescu;i dunno why people keep mushin them together 1191732;1436296491;mircea_popescu;they're like sleeping and fucking 1191733;1436296494;punkman;blockchain doesn't order events based on time 1191734;1436296497;mircea_popescu;"oh, happens in bed" "really ? fuck you." 1191735;1436296500;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: almost all timekeeping is really for ordering! 1191736;1436296503;ascii_field;including in bitcoin 1191737;1436296507;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter! 1191738;1436296554;jurov;why? in hft order doesn't matter? 1191739;1436296560;mircea_popescu;punkman it actually DOES order events to some degree based on time. 1191740;1436296566;mircea_popescu;hence rejected blocks from the future. 1191741;1436296573;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191733 << the machine tried to keep folks from 'rewriting history' 1191742;1436296573;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 19:14:54; punkman: blockchain doesn't order events based on time 1191743;1436296581;mircea_popescu;jurov the way you use the cow's teat is not the alpha and omega of what the cow teat is. 1191744;1436296582;ascii_field;sorta the whole point 1191745;1436296606;ascii_field;lamport's achievement was to abstract out some of the attributes of timekeeping we actually ~need~ 1191746;1436296615;mircea_popescu;sure. but this does not reflect on timekeeping 1191747;1436296618;mircea_popescu;it reflects on us. 1191748;1436296618;ascii_field;aha 1191749;1436296637;punkman;I don't see how lamport clock would help 1191750;1436296643;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't. 1191751;1436296648;ascii_field;not that virtually no one ~actually cares how many seconds it's been since midnight jan 1 1969~ 1191752;1436296668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69700 @ 0.00057153 = 39.8356 BTC [+] {3} 1191753;1436296674;mircea_popescu;ascii_field they don't care now in the manner they don't care about how well oiled their rifle is. 1191754;1436296682;mircea_popescu;once it comes to it, they care or they go away. 1191755;1436296684;ascii_field;just that 'oiled enough' 1191756;1436296739;mircea_popescu;like the housewives, you know, "oph, i don;t care about the crisis, my husband does all that money stuff" "orly ? shut up and sit down, goose." 1191757;1436296783;ascii_field;evidently i failed to make the minor point here 1191758;1436296789;BingoBoingo; so now we're asking for a non-retarded complete reimplementation of ntp. << reimplemented, can't guarentee not retarded in its own way 1191759;1436296792;ascii_field;the 1969 thing is an arbitrary aspect of the mechanism 1191760;1436296803;ascii_field;rather than the essential 1191761;1436296806;mircea_popescu;well sure. 1191762;1436296822;decimation;ascii_field: you seem to imply that you need to run ntp daemon to use ntp 1191763;1436296830;mircea_popescu;to TRUST ntp 1191764;1436296832;ascii_field;decimation: it is well known that you don't 1191765;1436296839;ascii_field;can ask for time once, yes 1191766;1436296841;ascii_field;but from whom? 1191767;1436296844;decimation;exactly 1191768;1436296847;ascii_field;and if you don't hear an answer ? 1191769;1436296861;ascii_field;and how do you know the answer did not come from satanic isp ? 1191770;1436296872;decimation;well, there is such a thing as signed ntp 1191771;1436296878;decimation;I'm not sure how simple it would be to implement 1191772;1436296881;ascii_field;now hitler controls your box 1191773;1436296882;mircea_popescu;you know how satoshi would have solved this problem, rigth ? 1191774;1436296894;decimation;don't need to only rely on the ntp reply 1191775;1436296895;ascii_field;we already know how he solved it 1191776;1436296898;mircea_popescu;nono. 1191777;1436296901;ascii_field;by asking winblows for the time. 1191778;1436296906;decimation;it can be hyptothetical until blocks start rolling in 1191779;1436296907;mircea_popescu;hardcode http://whattimeitis.com in the cpp 1191780;1436296909;assbot;Coming Events In Bible Prophecy ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2Lpah ) 1191781;1436296912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15195 @ 0.00057196 = 8.6909 BTC [+] {2} 1191782;1436296918;ascii_field;see, i almost guessed. 1191783;1436296925;decimation;hitler cannot change the clock on the pogo 1191784;1436296935;decimation;pogo can record times he observes new blocks since boot 1191785;1436296937;ascii_field;he can if it treats his signet as ultimate authority 1191786;1436296966;decimation;doesn't need to, treats as man on the street 1191787;1436296971;mircea_popescu;in other news i am pleased to inform the general public that my pyromania is progressing nicely. 1191788;1436296973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33605 @ 0.00057273 = 19.2466 BTC [+] {2} 1191789;1436297032;ascii_field;hm? 1191790;1436297134;mircea_popescu;listen, can't the thing ask the local isp for time ? 1191791;1436297144;decimation;hitler controls time and your isp 1191792;1436297159;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ???!!!????? 1191793;1436297180;ascii_field;there is no widespread custom of isp running a time server 1191794;1436297185;mircea_popescu;really ? 1191795;1436297188;ascii_field;certainly not on this side of the ocean 1191796;1436297196;mircea_popescu;they run dns but not time ? 1191797;1436297200;ascii_field;aha 1191798;1436297207;mircea_popescu;logical. 1191799;1436297210;ascii_field;conceivably, ~somewhere~ they do 1191800;1436297217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00055558 = 6.9448 BTC [-] 1191801;1436297232;mircea_popescu;last i looked into it my isp actually fed you time, on special port. 1191802;1436297245;ascii_field;ntp is low-enough traffic that most of the planet asks usg more or less directly 1191803;1436297245;mircea_popescu;off of their own atomic clock no less 1191804;1436297251;ascii_field;and comically, without authentication of any kind 1191805;1436297256;mircea_popescu;(also telco and radio provider etc) 1191806;1436297274;ascii_field;anyone recall old thread about banks getting time from gps antennae ? 1191807;1436297275;decimation;mircea_popescu: all of those could be forged by hitler 1191808;1436297281;ascii_field;(also without authentication) 1191809;1436297290;ascii_field;don't even need hitler there. just a kid with an sdr card 1191810;1436297291;mircea_popescu;decimation intranet ? notrly. 1191811;1436297312;mircea_popescu;are you being parodic ? 1191812;1436297329;ascii_field;the banks thing really happens 1191813;1436297334;decimation;I'm telling you things I"ve been told 1191814;1436297355;ascii_field;someone, iirc, discovered that you could move the clock on most 'atm' machines this way 1191815;1436297366;decimation;nobody has told me why I can't observe the position of the sun in the sky, use today's date, and reduce the time 1191816;1436297376;decimation;then setup an ntp server 1191817;1436297399;ascii_field;decimation: you can do this, and sign the result with your gossipd key, etc. sure 1191818;1436297402;mircea_popescu;decimation what i said was that if you use usg-supplied cutouts for that reduction, you're just doing a roundabout ntp call. might as well ask directly 1191819;1436297404;ascii_field;but this does not exist today. 1191820;1436297413;ascii_field;and if it did, hitler could simply delay the packet 1191821;1436297420;ascii_field;realize that we are talking about ~time~ 1191822;1436297431;decimation;as in, a printed table? 1191823;1436297433;ascii_field;mitm can make the answer 1) verify sig correctly 2) be arbitrarily wrong 1191824;1436297436;decimation;what usg cutouts? 1191825;1436297455;mircea_popescu;how do you get the calibration data ? 1191826;1436297505;decimation;there exist astronomy libraries like http://www.hs.uni-hamburg.de/DE/Ins/Per/Czesla/PyA/PyA/pyaslDoc/pyasl.html that could be used to make such tables 1191827;1436297506;assbot;Python AstroLib — PyAstronomy 0.8.1 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHtgDe ) 1191828;1436297515;mircea_popescu;for your locale ? 1191829;1436297526;decimation;absolutely 1191830;1436297531;mircea_popescu;i do not dispute they exist. what i said, again, was that if you use a nist table you're basically querying ntp. 1191831;1436297547;ascii_field;^^ 1191832;1436297549;decimation;well, yes, but the math is not very difficult to verify 1191833;1436297554;mircea_popescu;yes, it is :) 1191834;1436297562;mircea_popescu;because you need a clock. 1191835;1436297563;ascii_field;verify against ~what~ ? 1191836;1436297567;mircea_popescu;lol 1191837;1436297569;decimation;occultations 1191838;1436297572;ascii_field;realize that earth time is a political fiction 1191839;1436297585;mircea_popescu;well, a convention, but anyway. 1191840;1436297594;ascii_field;think of it this way 1191841;1436297597;decimation;a political fiction that for the time being is tied to observable astronomic phenomenon 1191842;1436297601;ascii_field;decimation measures the time, by observing a pulsar 1191843;1436297609;ascii_field;(one of the most accurate timebases found in nature) 1191844;1436297609;mircea_popescu;there's no "truthful" means to breach a convention by getting the REAL reality of it. just like you can't deduce a girl out of her panties. 1191845;1436297617;ascii_field;but now he wants to ~tell mircea_popescu the time~ 1191846;1436297621;mircea_popescu;decimation it's "tied" in a conventional manner. 1191847;1436297624;ascii_field;i.e. how many counts since last time mircea_popescu asked 1191848;1436297631;ascii_field;and this is where the boojum comes in! 1191849;1436297637;ascii_field;they are a continent apart 1191850;1436297640;ascii_field;between, are devils 1191851;1436297648;mircea_popescu;nah, they left. 1191852;1436297649;ascii_field;who can delay the messages at will 1191853;1436297654;ascii_field;l0l 1191854;1436297664;mircea_popescu;so are we putting a pulsar on the pogo usb or what. 1191855;1436297676;mircea_popescu;can be a small one off amazon. 1191856;1436297677;ascii_field;trying to illustrate the notion of 'political time' here 1191857;1436297715;decimation;I can tell him that a mutually observable passing of mercury in front of a star will be at 6pm 1191858;1436297732;decimation;(assuming same hemisphere roughly) 1191859;1436297737;ascii_field;then it rains 1191860;1436297742;ascii_field;and one or both of you miss it. 1191861;1436297743;ascii_field;then waht 1191862;1436297751;mircea_popescu;he has a point, he ~can~ sync like that, but only provided he actually did the measurements as to which star himself. 1191863;1436297752;decimation;use hitler's time until it can be verified 1191864;1436297787;ascii_field;why not use it every day then 1191865;1436297808;ascii_field;whole problem with bitcoin is that hitler can induce permanent damage by playing with the clock on rare occasions and in localized ways 1191866;1436297821;decimation;not if you only ntp once 1191867;1436297830;ascii_field;on powerup 1191868;1436297832;decimation;yep 1191869;1436297837;mircea_popescu;if only once were a thing. 1191870;1436297838;ascii_field;then hitler knows exactly when to fuck with ntp! 1191871;1436297846;ascii_field;when a city loses power 1191872;1436297855;decimation;and then ditch hitler's time once you have synced with block chain and can use its timestamps 1191873;1436297861;ascii_field;as mircea_popescu points out, 'once' is a many-time thing here 1191874;1436297865;decimation;relative to your pogo's clock 1191875;1436297879;ascii_field;decimation: i discussed the problem with letting blockchain affect the time, earlier 1191876;1436297884;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you still don't like my, "-time=blabla" in start-up call ? 1191877;1436297893;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is inapplicable for pogo 1191878;1436297905;jurov;i propose to wire electrodes up on the pogo chassis and synchronize time using chosen woman's periods 1191879;1436297912;decimation;lulz 1191880;1436297913;ascii_field;^^^ winner 1191881;1436297929;ascii_field;except, make pogo go in 1191882;1436297934;mircea_popescu;fertility THAT bad in slovakia ? 1191883;1436298097;ascii_field;l0l 1191884;1436298127;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191138 << you can't actually mislead anyone 1191885;1436298127;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 14:50:38; asciilifeform: drift by more than 2h and you're not only fucked, but will mislead others 1191886;1436298130;mircea_popescu;you can't rewrite the blocks. 1191887;1436298143;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: we were discussion a variant where nodes ask one another 1191888;1436298165;ascii_field;the one where blocks - sure 1191889;1436298171;mircea_popescu;i thought from your prev line you weren't but anywa 1191890;1436298178;ascii_field;iirc decimation suggested one 1191891;1436298230;ascii_field;but yes, if using block timestamps, pogos can only be mislead, cannot mislead others (unless some fool were to mine via 'getwork'-ing a pogo!) 1191892;1436298248;trinque;http://www.lindy-usa.com/usb-precision-clock-20984.html << "This item has been discontinued." 1191893;1436298249;assbot;USB Precision Clock ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHuaj1 ) 1191894;1436298249;trinque;:( 1191895;1436298262;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1191896;1436298263;*;trinque was born just after everything cool was discontinued 1191897;1436298270;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191187 << use them in various attacks he means 1191898;1436298270;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 15:10:23; jurov: if they're going to ddos known pogo addresses then this has no solution 1191899;1436298272;ascii_field;trinque: not only discontinued, but costs like 4+ pogos !!! 1191900;1436298283;trinque;oh bah 1191901;1436298286;mircea_popescu;i don't feel too good about asking people who trust me to put a box on the net that's open to flooding people. 1191902;1436298287;trinque;the cost is not prohibitive 1191903;1436298288;ascii_field;plus shipping. 1191904;1436298294;trinque;how poor are people? 1191905;1436298299;trinque;spend more on a heavy night drinking 1191906;1436298303;ascii_field;trinque: please understand, for this cost you can ship a pc! 1191907;1436298307;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that foolk is not so much of a fool 1191908;1436298308;ascii_field;no need for pogo then! 1191909;1436298315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00056712 = 3.1759 BTC [+] 1191910;1436298320;mircea_popescu;i was entertaining delusions of pogos being used as net propo for small home miners. 1191911;1436298322;trinque;sure but then no sweet usb radio clock 1191912;1436298329;ascii_field;trinque: the entire point is to use THE $20 BOX WE HAVE 1191913;1436298335;trinque;fine fine 1191914;1436298345;ascii_field;without turning it into a shittier version of the $150 box phoundation et al have 1191915;1436298348;ascii_field;that any idiot can have 1191916;1436298356;mircea_popescu;that also doesn't keep time./ 1191917;1436298371;ascii_field;pretty sure theirs has rtc 1191918;1436298380;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191193 << me lol. 1191919;1436298380;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 15:12:23; asciilifeform: who, precisely, can ddos (in the traditional sense) 5,000 ip ? 1191920;1436298381;ascii_field;the 100 usd 'pc engines' board i mentioned a few weeks ago does. 1191921;1436298387;jurov;i did not mean for pogo to promiscuously accept or even emit ntp packets! 1191922;1436298393;mircea_popescu;what, you think 1k is a barrier ? 1mn is a barriere. maybe. 1k is not a barrier. 1191923;1436298423;ascii_field;did not say 'barrier', necessarily, but it does raise the number of bots required 1191924;1436298429;decimation;I guess I percieve the reliance on an ntp server for time as being a much smaller attack surface than relying on operating bitcoind nodes for sync 1191925;1436298432;mircea_popescu;jurov i think there is at least one attack where lamer is made to think victim is ntp server 1191926;1436298452;jurov;yes but that does not depend on victim 1191927;1436298460;ascii_field;the basic, irrecoverable problem with ntp is that one can 'amplify' 1191928;1436298465;ascii_field;that is, forge a request for the time 1191929;1436298478;ascii_field;and get more bits back (to victim, that is) than you had to send. 1191930;1436298512;jurov;you mean , pogo issues ntp requests, get million packets within seconds? 1191931;1436298533;mircea_popescu;jurov i mean, pogo asks for ntp time, malicious server sayus "ask a.b.c.d" pogo asks. 1191932;1436298534;ascii_field;jurov: worse. it'll be among those ~sending~ the replies 1191933;1436298537;mircea_popescu;one thousand pogos ask. 1191934;1436298548;decimation;ascii_field: it's trival to stop that 1191935;1436298552;ascii_field;ntp is retarded fractally, on every scale 1191936;1436298567;ascii_field;decimation: and when new bug is discovered? then? 1191937;1436298567;decimation;and once again, you are talking about the daemon 1191938;1436298576;mircea_popescu;i;m not a great fan either ; nevertheless i suspect it is a marginally better solution than the current best which is "just taker block". 1191939;1436298578;jurov;NOT a daemon 1191940;1436298585;ascii_field;decimation: the variant where it asks on powerup is also retarded 1191941;1436298592;jurov;just a ting that issues one packet, receives one and shuts itself 1191942;1436298594;mircea_popescu;for one thing : it costs us 20k to deploy 1k of these. i doubt hitler wants to ruin his ntp for 20k 1191943;1436298595;ascii_field;because it will happily accept any answer 1191944;1436298622;decimation;mircea_popescu: not to mention also ruin $1000000k commerce in the process 1191945;1436298631;ascii_field;ntp from random selection among 1,000 ip (not dns, but ip) ntp nodes, PLUS sanity check using blockchain, could be a practical answer. 1191946;1436298631;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191237 << lmao get out. 1191947;1436298631;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 15:22:37; asciilifeform: and work without invoking dns 1191948;1436298641;ascii_field;fuck dns 1191949;1436298646;ascii_field;i don't want dns in there. anywhere. 1191950;1436298647;mircea_popescu;you can't have ntp without windows solitaire, what world do you live on 1191951;1436298657;mircea_popescu;DEPENDENCIES 1191952;1436298664;decimation;all you are doing is asking some shlub for the time 1191953;1436298665;ascii_field;pour gasoline on them. 1191954;1436298677;decimation;ask 10 randomly, and if they all give nonsense then you are fucked 1191955;1436298689;decimation;might as well buy a telescope and start with your navigation tables 1191956;1436298695;mircea_popescu;decimation naaah, average it out 1191957;1436298696;ascii_field;decimation: the idea is that they will all agree, because you're actually taking to room 101 at your isp 1191958;1436298701;mircea_popescu;that's how france kept time up until 1990 1191959;1436298701;ascii_field;and not any ntp servers at all 1191960;1436298721;decimation;well, it's a separate question about signed ntp requests 1191961;1436298724;decimation;which addresses that issue 1191962;1436298735;decimation;now hitler must pwn random boxes unknown to him beforehand 1191963;1436298738;ascii_field;the only folks willing to sign ntp (for a fee!) is us navy 1191964;1436298756;ascii_field;decimation: he does not need to pwn random boxes! only intercept ntp on your line. 1191965;1436298758;jurov;if that, you will actually talk to one bitcoind at isp, too 1191966;1436298761;jurov;what now? 1191967;1436298766;decimation;^ exactly 1191968;1436298768;ascii_field;jurov: this is harder because proof-of-wortk 1191969;1436298770;decimation;feeds your pogo bullshit too 1191970;1436298788;ascii_field;a faux blockchain is considerably more of an undertaking to arrange 1191971;1436298789;decimation;not if it controls everything, can make up bullshit chain with 0 difficult 1191972;1436298809;ascii_field;decimation: is it not obvious that this is far easier to detect via mechanical means ? 1191973;1436298814;jurov;it's certainly more attractive to isp than mucking with ntp 1191974;1436298815;mircea_popescu;so ntp is actually emerging towards consensus here ? over alf's dead body / 1191975;1436298820;mircea_popescu;mod6 you there ? 1191976;1436298823;decimation;easier than noting wallclock time? 1191977;1436298830;ascii_field;hell, folks in here were ringing the alarm on account of empty blocks 1191978;1436298833;ascii_field;before ph0rk was apparent 1191979;1436298839;mod6;yeah. haven't been able to follow for the last 45 minutes though. 1191980;1436298840;decimation;I was yes 1191981;1436298845;*;mod6 reads scrollback 1191982;1436298863;decimation;maybe I should start watching venus too 1191983;1436298887;ascii_field;realize, i don't have a better solution than ntp. but it has to be done sanely (no dns; builds under musl or uclibc; doesn't introduce more than a few dozen lines of code; and picks from $bigint ip on powerup; and sanity-checked from blockchain ) 1191984;1436298898;mircea_popescu;dozen ? 1191985;1436298901;mircea_popescu;aahahahahaha 1191986;1436298903;ascii_field;see jurov's link 1191987;1436298914;mircea_popescu;no i really wish to see this 1191988;1436298917;jurov;parsing ntp reply doesn't need lots of code 1191989;1436298921;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191239 1191990;1436298921;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 15:25:42; jurov: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10757575/how-to-write-a-ntp-client 1191991;1436298926;ascii_field;^ example 1191992;1436298936;*;trinque mutters about there being low-frequency radio time signals passing through his body this moment, and cannot find a single distributor for a sane, cheap usb receiver 1191993;1436298942;trinque;the fucking world we live in 1191994;1436298952;decimation;trinque: I've tried too 1191995;1436298958;ascii_field;trinque: gps has timebase. but any moron can fool it 1191996;1436298961;decimation;came to the conclusion that must do self 1191997;1436298961;ascii_field;with stronger signal 1191998;1436298971;mircea_popescu;actually that's not so horrible as i thought. 1191999;1436298972;mircea_popescu;what's #include ? 1192000;1436298976;decimation;ru, us, others alll broadcast multiple signals 1192001;1436298983;decimation;that's a standard socket header 1192002;1436298990;ascii_field;decimation: yes, and the kid across the street has the strongest signal 1192003;1436298992;ascii_field;if he wants to 1192004;1436298994;ascii_field;for us, ru, cn 1192005;1436299005;mod6;as dumb as it sounds, i thought about ICMP 13 (dispite it being often fw'd) and checking TS against default route. 1192006;1436299021;mircea_popescu;how;s that get you time ? 1192007;1436299037;mod6;it returns a timestamp 1192008;1436299059;ascii_field;not all isp will even let through icmp, no ? 1192009;1436299070;mod6;(often fw'd) 1192010;1436299075;decimation;nobody runs standard unix services anymore 1192011;1436299085;decimation;like finger or chargen 1192012;1436299085;mod6;but... if it's behind a NAT< then you can control the default route 1192013;1436299087;ascii_field;seems like a sure way to end up with wild numbers 1192014;1436299098;mod6;maybe you set your router to respond to this? i dunno. was a passing thought. 1192015;1436299128;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191281 << actually was on trilema. http://trilema.com/2015/so-i-found-the-libertard-motherlode/ 1192016;1436299128;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 16:20:56; mats: loled 1192017;1436299129;assbot;So I found the libertard motherlode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjpCCB ) 1192018;1436299164;mircea_popescu;mod6 i think this is related to "askl your isp" 1192019;1436299174;mircea_popescu;in the best case you end up with a ntp pt 1192020;1436299189;ascii_field;mod6: anything that requires the operator to even know that routers exist is inapplicable for pogo 1192021;1436299212;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 i think this is related to "askl your isp" << yeah. 1192022;1436299213;ascii_field;may as well ask him (her!) to set up a gentoo 1192023;1436299221;mircea_popescu;o wait, that was a DIFFERENT liberal professor bitching abotu the hell of their own making 1192024;1436299223;mircea_popescu;my bad mats 1192025;1436299246;mod6;<+ascii_field> mod6: anything that requires the operator to even know that routers exist is inapplicable for pogo << yeah was reading what you guys were saying. basically why I didn't bring it up. too hard for mom & pop. 1192026;1436299265;ascii_field;bad enough that this thing will need upnp 1192027;1436299274;ascii_field;and will fail to be externally reachable at all a good chunk of the time 1192028;1436299277;decimation;'this system where we take turns accusing each other of being an enemy of the revolution can come around to bite me!' 1192029;1436299296;shinohai;@ mircea_popescu I *think* I sent an email correctly in order to purchase some trilema credits 1192030;1436299327;mircea_popescu;shinohai didja pay ? 1192031;1436299356;mircea_popescu;decimation that's ok, we have a good sense of humour about it. 1192032;1436299357;mircea_popescu;yet. 1192033;1436299367;shinohai;Was waiting on a reply email. I filled out form but was unsure if it was accepted. 1192034;1436299384;mircea_popescu;not liable to get anything unless you pay. 1192035;1436299404;mircea_popescu;(why would you, there's no indication it's your email) 1192036;1436299415;ascii_field;'when the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs' (tm) (r) 1192037;1436299463;shinohai;I misunderstand then. I thought an address for deposit is emailed to you. 1192038;1436299498;*;mircea_popescu looks at this thing 1192039;1436299503;mircea_popescu;it's been in place for so long i forgot 1192040;1436299535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16325969 = 1.6326 BTC [-] 1192041;1436299583;jurov;folks. "hackedteam" leak is 99% downloaded, but i don't really have a place to publicly host it 1192042;1436299596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47151 @ 0.00056758 = 26.762 BTC [+] {2} 1192043;1436299596;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^ ? 1192044;1436299603;jurov;if i'm to put it on s3, only private 1192045;1436299613;ascii_field;not a bad test of how 'bulletproof' mircea_popescu's new fleet of boxes is ? 1192046;1436299615;mircea_popescu;shinohai well yeah, you put your email in there, get an email with address. didja ? 1192047;1436299628;mircea_popescu;jurov feel free to put it on your binaries acct. 1192048;1436299636;ascii_field;perhaps untar it first 1192049;1436299638;ascii_field;so it's browsable 1192050;1436299642;mircea_popescu;^ 1192051;1436299646;jurov;it's untarred 1192052;1436299651;ascii_field;not everybody wants the whole ball of shit 1192053;1436299653;mircea_popescu;please DO untar it either first or there before publishing 1192054;1436299660;jurov;it comes untarred, i mean 1192055;1436299665;ascii_field;ah 1192056;1436299684;mircea_popescu;aite. 1192057;1436299709;mircea_popescu;jurov let me know when it's uploaded so i can mirror it. 1192058;1436299725;jurov;yea, eta 20hours 1192059;1436299733;mircea_popescu;lolk 1192060;1436299755;*;mircea_popescu will put it online under trilema/uploads 1192061;1436299779;ascii_field;neato! 1192062;1436299845;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4b6af150ffaa49ba706d7e0acec667c0/tumblr_n84guwKh6K1t1cjcho1_1280.jpg 1192063;1436299847;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjroDX ) 1192064;1436299870;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: where was your article with the boy, gurl, two frag grenades, and a length of twine ? 1192065;1436299881;mircea_popescu;haha hmmm 1192066;1436299883;ascii_field;the vectorized difficulty thing made me recall it 1192067;1436299901;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-twu-luv-torture/ 1192068;1436299902;assbot;The twu luv torture on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjrv2m ) 1192069;1436299906;ascii_field;aha! 1192070;1436299909;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu 1192071;1436299922;shinohai;I love sdf.org, but damn their mail server is so slow. 1192072;1436299929;jurov;just check there's 400G free and 190k inodes 1192073;1436299951;jurov;mircea_popescu: ^ 1192074;1436299977;*;mircea_popescu checks 1192075;1436300045;mod6;I'm currently a bit distracted. I'll re-read all of this discussion on my way back and think about it. 1192076;1436300051;mircea_popescu;inodes 58M iused 374K ifree 58M 1192077;1436300055;shinohai;Todays crypto financial genius award goes to: http://redd.it/3cfd05 1192078;1436300057;assbot;I took a loan at 25% on prosper and put it on ltc - panic attack from the price going down : litecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHx47D ) 1192079;1436300090;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1192080;1436300099;ascii_field;wtf is 'prosper' 1192081;1436300108;mircea_popescu;don't ask and you won't have to find out. 1192082;1436300126;shinohai;https://www.prosper.com/ 1192083;1436300127;assbot;Prosper | Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHx8UL ) 1192084;1436300131;mircea_popescu;"wtf is citizen dentistry ?" "really ?" 1192085;1436300152;*;ascii_field true to form, is sorry he found out 1192086;1436300192;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima go play my game. 1192087;1436300199;mircea_popescu;yallz are missing out! 1192088;1436300208;jurov;mircea_popescu: you need to do sth with the inodes 1192089;1436300211;mircea_popescu;o first 1192090;1436300212;*;shinohai never could get into gaming 1192091;1436300213;mircea_popescu;jurov hm ? 1192092;1436300222;jurov;oh, it has 58M inodes? okay then 1192093;1436300223;mircea_popescu;jurov you making me the irc game client ? 1192094;1436300230;jurov;yes. 1192095;1436300233;mircea_popescu;yay. 1192096;1436300236;jurov;for 2BTC 1192097;1436300241;mircea_popescu;hm. 1192098;1436300249;mircea_popescu;is it actually going to work ? 1192099;1436300270;mircea_popescu;are you providing a "mp satisfaction guarantee" with it ? 1192100;1436300270;jurov;well, you pay after 1192101;1436300279;mircea_popescu;then it's a deal. 1192102;1436300291;jurov;maybe i'll catch aneurysm from that cpp turd first 1192103;1436300307;mircea_popescu;i see it likely 1192104;1436300309;ascii_field;wai wat 1192105;1436300315;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : it doesn't handle pasting atm har har.) 1192106;1436300316;ascii_field;was this an open rfc ? 1192107;1436300324;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i just asked him yest. 1192108;1436300331;jurov;yes. you don't read trilema? 1192109;1436300332;ascii_field;ah just for jurov then 1192110;1436300348;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't want you to be doingm it, you do useful things with your time 1192111;1436300354;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: fair 1192112;1436300355;mircea_popescu;like being unreasonable with the pogos 1192113;1436300363;ascii_field;though i'll probably end up with the bounty for the callgraph 1192114;1436300365;ascii_field;if anyone does 1192115;1436300379;ascii_field;because no one seems to be giving a flying fuck 1192116;1436300385;jurov;and btw, there's 0.5BTC bounty for eulora on mac. 1192117;1436300387;ascii_field;and that thing needs to happen 1192118;1436300393;trinque;ascii_field: I spent a good part of last evening working on it 1192119;1436300396;trinque;tools are all dogshit 1192120;1436300398;trinque;https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3073/2767638386_d8efc6fb1f.jpg 1192121;1436300398;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjsD5W ) 1192122;1436300399;ascii_field;trinque: yes, i recall 1192123;1436300405;jurov;be quick before it gets on my nerves and i'll get some apple machine 1192124;1436300408;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i think a few people are trying, but yes, as trinque says 1192125;1436300416;ascii_field;there is no tool to work with, afaik 1192126;1436300418;mircea_popescu;nobody realises they live in a house of shit until they try to go out the door 1192127;1436300437;*;shinohai > mfw there is no cloud, only someone else's computer ... 1192128;1436300446;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/07/chain-fork-reveals-bip-process-broken/#comment-30536 1192129;1436300447;assbot;Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjsJuf ) 1192130;1436300450;ascii_field;the chart needs to account for literally 100% of the src lines 1192131;1436300458;ascii_field;and, conversely, contain nothing extraneous 1192132;1436300463;mircea_popescu;careful shinohai next you'll buy into the cult koolaid that milk doesn't come from supermarket 1192133;1436300467;mircea_popescu;and then where'll you be 1192134;1436300487;shinohai;Then I'll have to buy a cow. Or marry one. 1192135;1436300504;shinohai;I'm close to the state of Alabama, shouldn't be hard. 1192136;1436300539;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: surprised it took so long for the shitgang to start rolling out obfuscatory smoke ? 1192137;1436300554;ascii_field;'it wasn't us, because we're the core devs, and ergo it wasn't us, fuck you' 1192138;1436300554;jurov;mircea_popescu: owait, the task includes copy/paste from/to eulora? 1192139;1436300561;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Well, gavin stopped. I guess now they roll on to the next one. 1192140;1436300569;ascii_field;wai wut 1192141;1436300571;ascii_field;stopped what 1192142;1436300580;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Stopped commenting on qntra 1192143;1436300592;ascii_field;ah 1192144;1436300656;BingoBoingo;" 1192145;1436300656;BingoBoingo;Obviously something went wrong, but blaming the process, or Bitcoin Core's implementation is disingenious. Neither was this caused by wide use of old software, because old software would simply keep producing v2 blocks, so the change would never have triggered." << Ergo these new multi-block forks aren't happening 1192146;1436300684;ascii_field;gotta love the philippinos 1192147;1436300700;ascii_field;can crap out four paragraphs of acceptable english, adding up to nothing at all 1192148;1436300741;mircea_popescu;jurov how am i going to speak here if i can't paste the assbot text ? 1192149;1436300750;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/07/chain-fork-reveals-bip-process-broken/#comment-30584 1192150;1436300751;assbot;Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjt7ZY ) 1192151;1436300836;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i assume that's laanwj 1192152;1436300853;BingoBoingo;Well, he didn't sign the comment 1192153;1436300872;mircea_popescu;hence assume. 1192154;1436300888;mircea_popescu;because why sign things when you're "in crypto". he's an expert at counting fucking goats 1192155;1436300903;ascii_field;voats 1192156;1436300922;mircea_popescu;"what shall we fuck today ?" "nine" 1192157;1436300943;*;ascii_field has taken to pronouncing 'goat', 'voat', with accent on syllables, as in 'coax' cabl 1192158;1436301772;pete_dushenski;https://blockchain.info/tx/bb41a757f405890fb0f5856228e23b715702d714d59bf2b1feb70d8b2b4e3e08 << 999,657 byte transaction with 9 confirmations. 1192159;1436301831;trinque;blockchain wont load on this end 1192160;1436301836;trinque;.info that is 1192161;1436301849;trinque;ah there it went 1192162;1436301869;trinque;"Warning! this transaction is a double spend. You should be extremely careful when trusting any transactions to/from this sender." 1192163;1436301983;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1192164;1436301989;ascii_field;http://gsg-elektronik.de/?id=92 1192165;1436301990;assbot;GSG-Elektronik - Seagate Dockstar RTC-MOD ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrcFL ) 1192166;1436302003;ascii_field;^ adding the missing rtc crystal & power source to 'dockstart', machine using same chipset as pogo 1192167;1436302011;ascii_field;not practical for 5,000 1192168;1436302016;ascii_field;unless someone has a stable of slaves 1192169;1436302030;ascii_field;http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=258&start=10 << english, better photos 1192170;1436302031;assbot;Arch Linux ARM • View topic - Dockstar Pinout SDHC Card and I2C ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrhta ) 1192171;1436302080;pete_dushenski;'double spend' block is crazy close to 1,000,000 byte over-under here : https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ 1192172;1436302080;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 3.84 B (13%) on Yes, 25.68 B (87%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 41`573 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrrAF ) 1192173;1436302271;ascii_field;http://www.plugcomputer.org/405/us/plug-basic/documentation/Plug-DevKit-Reference-Design-Rev1.1.pdf << incidentally, this is the reference design on which 'pogo' is based 1192174;1436302273;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrVa1 ) 1192175;1436302273;danielpbarron;!up flabkebab 1192176;1436302282;ascii_field;complete schematics and pedantically agonizing docs 1192177;1436302295;ascii_field;or nm, not complete 1192178;1436302308;*;ascii_field is quite certain he saw the whole thing somewhere ! 1192179;1436302406;ascii_field;http://www.plugcomputer.org/405/us/plug-basic/documentation/Plug-6.0.1-Schematic.pdf << it 1192180;1436302407;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1flsbFP ) 1192181;1436302417;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, guy paid 0 fees to make that thing 1192182;1436302478;pete_dushenski;lol ya i guess so eh 1192183;1436302492;pete_dushenski;12 confs on it too 1192184;1436302540;trinque;the system works? 1192185;1436302554;trinque;or was that not what the "stress testers" were trying to demonstrate 1192186;1436302575;ascii_field;http://www.plugcomputer.org/405/us/plug-basic/documentation/Plug-PowerPlug-V1.3.pdf << another version 1192187;1436302578;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eDB5gV ) 1192188;1436302595;danielpbarron;the outputs must be old enough to not set off spam filters or whatever 1192189;1436302604;danielpbarron;or the guy knows an actual miner 1192190;1436302722;danielpbarron;i like how the block-filling transaction cost nothing, meanwhile redditards are flipping out that they would have to pay 0.0002 if they actually had bitcoin to spend 1192191;1436302789;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1192192;1436302789;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/21VCJX6.txt ) 1192193;1436302822;pete_dushenski;https://admin.govexec.com/media/gbc/docs/pdfs_edit/price_scheme_2015q3.pdf << 40k euros for 'hacking team' to implant agent to track opponent's bitcoin transactions 1192194;1436302828;pete_dushenski;not cheap ! 1192195;1436302834;pete_dushenski;(sorry about pdfturd) 1192196;1436302856;trinque;danielpbarron: my point exactly; bitcoin's own fee mechanism defends against this bullshit 1192197;1436302896;trinque;if someone really wants to "spam" let him pay the fees sufficient to do so, and he can keep that up for as many blocks as he likes, bidding against every other person who wants in the block 1192198;1436302922;trinque;I have no idea what they think the 'stress test' is meant to demonstrate 1192199;1436302974;trinque;'cept that when the best platform for capitalism ever devised appears, fucktards still think markets wont work within it 1192200;1436302993;ascii_field;trinque: it is abundantly clear what they are trying to do 1192201;1436302998;BingoBoingo;stress test demonstrates 1MB is plenty big to allow for periodic spam attacks, and bigger blocks would make bloat attacks still cheaper 1192202;1436303011;ascii_field;it being, price themselves out of tx, and then clamour for 'deeeeemooocracy' 1192203;1436303030;ascii_field;the bloat attack is deliberat 1192204;1436303035;trinque;of course it is 1192205;1436303036;pete_dushenski;or make nodes drop off network 1192206;1436303040;trinque;yet I can still get transactions through just fine 1192207;1436303053;trinque;with a pittance of a fee 1192208;1436303054;ascii_field;it also has the purpose of trying to thin the node herd 1192209;1436303059;ascii_field;and push more fools onto 'spv' 1192210;1436303068;ascii_field;for ease of usgification 1192211;1436303096;trinque;sort mempool by fee and fuck the poor? 1192212;1436303113;ascii_field;i still can't fathom why this wasn't sop from day 1. 1192213;1436303142;flabkebab;hello 1192214;1436303165;trinque;flabkebab: good afternoon 1192215;1436303178;pete_dushenski;ascii_field took time for the drones to be lined up, meetings to be had, coffee to be drunk, etc. 1192216;1436303193;danielpbarron;i have not noticed the "network test" except that my actual full nodes sometimes differ by (sometimes rarely) as much as a few dozen blocks before eventually settling in on the true height. My transaction sending has been uneffected. 1192217;1436303195;pete_dushenski;it's not like bureaucracy, y'know, works or anything 1192218;1436303252;flabkebab;So I've been having a go at the callgraph thing 1192219;1436303354;danielpbarron;!up flabkebab_ 1192220;1436303401;flabkebab_;thanks, xchat crashed 1192221;1436303412;flabkebab_;so here is the mess I have so far: http://46.101.49.39/graph.svg 1192222;1436303413;assbot;G ... ( http://bit.ly/1eDDLvf ) 1192223;1436303414;ascii_field;flabkebab_: so you got a callgraph ? 1192224;1436303422;*;ascii_field looks 1192225;1436303443;trinque;looks better than my rat-king 1192226;1436303459;ascii_field;that still doesn't look like ~all~ the unique symbols in the tree 1192227;1436303470;ascii_field;not to mention that it is unreadable 1192228;1436303498;ascii_field;my patience for 'help the mouse find the cheese' ran out when i was four 1192229;1436303509;trinque;lol 1192230;1436303514;ascii_field;not interested in balls of yarn 1192231;1436303523;trinque;ascii_field: it's gonna take something where you can grab a node and have it trace only that one 1192232;1436303534;ascii_field;trinque: we have this already!!!! 1192233;1436303534;ascii_field;lxr 1192234;1436303536;trinque;I was using "gephi" for this 1192235;1436303538;ascii_field;i DON'T WANT that 1192236;1436303542;trinque;no 1192237;1436303544;ascii_field;want a fucking WALL POSTER 1192238;1436303547;trinque;I mean an interface to the dot 1192239;1436303553;trinque;yeah well the call graph itself is tangled 1192240;1436303557;flabkebab_;hmm 1192241;1436303559;trinque;can probably not be untangled in 2d 1192242;1436303568;ascii_field;this one doesn't look like it even tried 1192243;1436303576;flabkebab_;I also tried something less... ball-yarny 1192244;1436303586;flabkebab_;Edges too close together and was also unreadbale 1192245;1436303586;trinque;gephi will shake the graph out for ya with various plugins 1192246;1436303593;flabkebab_;*unreadable 1192247;1436303594;trinque;can change attraction params on a node, so on 1192248;1436303598;trinque;still looked like shi 1192249;1436303600;trinque;*shit 1192250;1436303612;ascii_field;all related objects must be near one another 1192251;1436303644;jurov;mircea_popescu: is the ftp server in the vicinity of your bitcoin node? it went full speed for minutes, then it suddenly throttled to 6kbps 1192252;1436303652;trinque;jurov: room 101 1192253;1436303681;jurov;and it's going up again 1192254;1436303683;flabkebab_;ascii_field: as in, same file, or as in same cluster of linked nodes? 1192255;1436303698;ascii_field;trinque: technically, packets are diddled in room 641a. room 101 is where they put rats in your face 1192256;1436303711;ascii_field;flabkebab_: as in, on the picture 1192257;1436303717;trinque;ah right 1192258;1436303720;ascii_field;look at your picture. would you, personally, get any use out of this ? 1192259;1436303723;trinque;101 diddles *you* 1192260;1436303729;ascii_field;if the answer is no - what makes you think ~i~ could 1192261;1436303774;flabkebab_;ya I see. 1192262;1436303799;ascii_field;http://iphome.hhi.de/suehring/tml/doc/lenc/html/image_8h_b1e3d8088c78040d3bf44c9ea3293ed7_cgraph.png << example of a ~readable~ callgraph 1192263;1436303800;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eDEMTS ) 1192264;1436303803;ascii_field;taken, at random, from the net 1192265;1436303806;trinque;I wrote a thing that did a force directed graph for an ebnf once 1192266;1436303824;trinque;but the ebnf I was modeling wasn't convoluted inward on itself this haphazardly 1192267;1436303830;trinque;!up ascii_field 1192268;1436303839;ascii_field;https://romanegloo.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/callgraph_mmap_region.png << another example 1192269;1436303840;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eDESuV ) 1192270;1436303858;trinque;that code is way simpler, or missing nodes 1192271;1436303867;ascii_field;this does not follow 1192272;1436303908;trinque;lemme see if I can screenshot gephi before my laptop dies 1192273;1436303931;ascii_field;the graph flabkebab_ showed does not even attempt to place symbols ~anywhere near~ even one of their links !! 1192274;1436303948;ascii_field;they are just dropped down in columns, in apparently random order 1192275;1436303989;danielpbarron;on the topic of time and the pogo, I should point out that I recently had to update the time on my blue pogo (the one i'm using as a web server / irc client) because it had drifted from the real time by as much as a quarter hour in the few months it had been running continuously 1192276;1436303996;*;jurov expects a discovery that satoshi cast and called functions from void* 1192277;1436304018;ascii_field;danielpbarron: this is correct and unsurprising, and blows up the 'ntp once on powerup' thing 1192278;1436304024;ascii_field;it has interrupt-based timekeeping 1192279;1436304034;ascii_field;which means that it is severely pushed off course by events outside of its control 1192280;1436304047;ascii_field;many interrupts - skipped moves of emulated clock 1192281;1436304058;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^ 1192282;1436304110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00055754 = 9.06 BTC [-] {2} 1192283;1436304232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00055558 = 3.5002 BTC [-] 1192284;1436304561;ascii_field;the callgraph thing is a straight 'travelling salesman' problem 1192285;1436304574;ascii_field;but gotta minimize the crossings of the paths. 1192286;1436304621;ascii_field;likewise, the 'bubbles' ought to be sized proportional to their connectivity degree. 1192287;1436304953;jurov;mircea_popescu: one hour of uploading looked like this: http://www.explo.yt/net.jpg 1192288;1436304955;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eDIVar ) 1192289;1436305327;BingoBoingo; danielpbarron: this is correct and unsurprising, and blows up the 'ntp once on powerup' thing << query timeserver every modulo(rand) seconds? 1192290;1436305391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00055432 = 20.9533 BTC [-] {3} 1192291;1436305526;mats;http://blog.cr4.sh/2015/07/building-reliable-smm-backdoor-for-uefi.html 1192292;1436305527;assbot;My aimful life: Building reliable SMM backdoor for UEFI based platforms ... ( http://bit.ly/1gmuBEr ) 1192293;1436306062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00056168 = 2.4714 BTC [+] 1192294;1436306123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52042 @ 0.00055206 = 28.7303 BTC [-] {2} 1192295;1436306427;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1192296;1436306429;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: querying it at all is problematic. see today's thread. 1192297;1436306440;ascii_field;mats: read that last night. notice how it wants you to build with microshit vs!!! 1192298;1436306447;ascii_field;what a disgrace 1192299;1436306495;BingoBoingo;querying at all is problematic. If it must be queried though best to make the timing of queries less predictable. 1192300;1436306496;ascii_field;(and before anyone chimes in with 'of course vs' - this is empirically false. can build arbitrarily complicated crapware for winblows with gcc) 1192301;1436306510;BingoBoingo;^ like Bitcoin 1192302;1436306529;ascii_field;i've build drivers for winblows with mingw (gcc) 1192303;1436306569;ascii_field;it is possible to develop for winblows and remain sane if you treat it like a 'nintendo' 1192304;1436306572;ascii_field;that is, only for testing 1192305;1436306584;ascii_field;no one writes code for nintendo ~on~ a nintendo 1192306;1436306594;mats;i wonder why it failed to build on OS X 1192307;1436306609;ascii_field;mats: which 'it' ? 1192308;1436306611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27024 @ 0.00055973 = 15.1261 BTC [+] {2} 1192309;1436306633;mats;driver 1192310;1436306666;ascii_field;ask him 1192311;1436306836;danielpbarron;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960.msg13833#msg13833 >> I don't understand, are you under the impression that the program sets the system clock? It doesn't. << Satoshi on bitcoin time 1192312;1436306837;assbot;Warning : Check your system clock (help me) ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZeqSd ) 1192313;1436306856;ascii_field;we know that it doesn't 1192314;1436306874;ascii_field;danielpbarron: if you missed the thread - it was about how we have no clock on pogo 1192315;1436306935;danielpbarron;i have read it all; just happened upon this relevant thread coincidentally 1192316;1436306968;danielpbarron;in 2010 a very similar conversation was being had over on the forum 1192317;1436307155;ascii_field;and notice how it ended 1192318;1436307162;ascii_field;'folks will be expected to use ntp' 1192319;1436307285;trinque;ascii_field: seems like this has to have the information you want >> https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?q=%2Bcallers%3Amozilla%3A%3Aa11y%3A%3AAccessibleWrap%3A%3AShutdown%28%29 1192320;1436307289;assbot;+callers:mozilla::a11y::AccessibleWrap::Shutdown() - DXR Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZfm97 ) 1192321;1436307289;trinque;dxr, that is 1192322;1436307292;trinque;uses clang 1192323;1436307302;trinque;that's a virtual method 1192324;1436307308;ascii_field;wai wat 1192325;1436307325;trinque;so perhaps if I can find where it stores the symbol table, I can get the data out of this vast piece of mozilla 1192326;1436307356;ascii_field;this is the output of a proggy that can take any cpp tree ? 1192327;1436307369;trinque;yeah 1192328;1436307382;ascii_field;what does mozilla have to do with it 1192329;1436307404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3619 @ 0.00055252 = 1.9996 BTC [-] 1192330;1436307409;trinque;ascii_field: mozilla made dxr 1192331;1436307414;ascii_field;ah 1192332;1436307416;trinque;presumably to help work on their vast wad o cpp 1192333;1436307439;trinque;https://wiki.mozilla.org/DXR 1192334;1436307441;assbot;DXR - MozillaWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1CobcNo ) 1192335;1436307441;ascii_field;this is 1/10 the battle 1192336;1436307442;ascii_field;still gotta do the plot 1192337;1436307445;trinque;sure sure 1192338;1436307449;trinque;I am not declaring victory 1192339;1436307452;trinque;just a radar blip 1192340;1436307461;*;ascii_field bbl 1192341;1436307526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00054687 = 22.9412 BTC [-] {3} 1192342;1436307780;fluffypony;https://i.imgur.com/GnZuV5D.jpg 1192343;1436307780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZgEBd ) 1192344;1436308220;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Alex Sosa ; Xlex Sosa ; ) 1192345;1436308223;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eKZkup ) 1192346;1436308625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00055259 = 10.1124 BTC [+] {2} 1192347;1436309052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53259 @ 0.00054563 = 29.0597 BTC [-] {3} 1192348;1436309277;trinque;haha holy shit, dxr's "install" method is vagrant 1192349;1436309295;trinque;A FUCKING VM FOR A STATIC HTML GENERATOR 1192350;1436309307;trinque;BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE DONE TODAY 1192351;1436309314;trinque;:D 1192352;1436309356;mats;http://www.agner.org/optimize/ 1192353;1436309358;assbot;Software optimization resources. C++ and assembly. Windows, Linux, BSD, Mac OS X ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoeLTW ) 1192354;1436309366;trinque;these earth humans need a ritual which tests for mindless imitation in children 1192355;1436309390;trinque;the ritual should be arranged such that imitating someone else without reflecting on the outcome first results in death 1192356;1436309575;trinque;better yet, rather than death, a life of moving heavy objects 1192357;1436309724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00054391 = 16.0181 BTC [-] 1192358;1436310273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22701 @ 0.00054391 = 12.3473 BTC [-] 1192359;1436310541;scoopbot_revived;Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/ 1192360;1436310780;pete_dushenski;nice one bb 1192361;1436310816;shinohai;I wish my node would sync to either IP, as it is I'm stuck atm. 1192362;1436310906;mod6;349k+ 1192363;1436310963;shinohai;363736 with 0 connections nau 1192364;1436311034;mod6;i seem to remember asciilifeform switching over to -addnode after he got stuck. but let's see what he says about it. i'll probably hit the same issue myself. 1192365;1436311110;BingoBoingo;ty pete_dushenski 1192366;1436311249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8449 @ 0.00054153 = 4.5754 BTC [-] 1192367;1436311274;shinohai;I'll give that a shot mod6, been using -connect 1192368;1436311297;mod6;alright, as you wish. let me know how it goes. 1192369;1436311366;shinohai;Of course 1192370;1436311676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00055278 = 19.8448 BTC [+] 1192371;1436311765;*;BingoBoingo finally trying to recreate my OpenBSD 0.7.2-ish qt build. Must have lost the original sources that worked somewhere down the line 1192372;1436312285;BingoBoingo;Well, not really re-create. Just fucking up the version strings in the name of lulz 1192373;1436312439;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 1192374;1436312451;shinohai;It's always in the name of lulz BingoBoingo 1192375;1436312828;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1 1192376;1436312928;BingoBoingo;!up btcdrak 1192377;1436313043;ben_vulpes; i seem to remember asciilifeform switching over to -addnode after he got stuck. but let's see what he says about it. i'll probably hit the same issue myself. << i don't think he did 1192378;1436313091;ben_vulpes;my stator's at 225753, btw 1192379;1436313104;shinohai;I switched my config to addnode, got unstuck then stopped it 1192380;1436313201;BingoBoingo;255903 on stator 1192381;1436313538;shinohai;I made the sync fine until that orphaned block on the 4th 1192382;1436313663;shinohai;http://fusion.net/story/162651/bitcoin-greece-varoufakis-blockchain/ 1192383;1436313665;assbot;Why Greece should befriend its bitcoin foes | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMub4S ) 1192384;1436313828;BingoBoingo;shinohai: My stator testbed is lucky it is too slow to have been anywhere close in time to that having been an issue, though that is still an enduring issue. 1192385;1436313895;shinohai;I have a stator build working, just waiting on my pogo to get here first. Using the 0.5.3 RELEASE on my shell 1192386;1436314056;BingoBoingo;My stator is just on an awfully underpowered AMD64 machine 1192387;1436314290;mod6;here's something I missed: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187292 1192388;1436314392;mod6;i'll have to see when i get there i guess. 1192389;1436314435;mats;it doesn't look like bitcoin is ready for prime time 1192390;1436314480;shinohai;Good find mod6, I hadn't got that far back yet 1192391;1436314588;BingoBoingo; here's something I missed: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187292 << May have to increase locks limit (why it must be there idk) for reorg robustness 1192392;1436314758;mod6;max_locks & max_objects were bumped from 10000 to 40000 in this patch: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000024.html But yeah, perhaps it needs to go higher. I'll dig in when I get wedged. 1192393;1436314759;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMwFQK ) 1192394;1436314801;mod6;for those who don't remember, we used to get stuck at block 252`450 before with only 10000 locks set 1192395;1436314848;shinohai;Must have been before I discovered La Serenissima 1192396;1436314870;mod6;it was last december. 1192397;1436315055;BingoBoingo;Yeah, it was necessary to keep up with 0.8 normal. May need a still bigger boost for reorgs though. 1192398;1436315519;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 268 @ 0.00406002 = 1.0881 BTC [-] {4} 1192399;1436315604;phf;BingoBoingo: have you tried making static build on openbsd? i seem to recall you were running a bunch of openbsd boxes 1192400;1436315613;BingoBoingo;But the whole max locks thing is a mess 1192401;1436315643;mod6;phf: i built on 5.6 but I can't seem to get mine to be be statically built :( 1192402;1436315648;BingoBoingo;phf: No, not yet. On OpenBSD I'm running an 0.7.2 derivative with LibreSSL 2.0 just to see how it behaves. 1192403;1436315674;phf;mod6: is that with the patch i posted to ml? 1192404;1436315729;mod6;it was from a patch, but not from the email you just sent in... 1192405;1436315733;phf;BingoBoingo: that's a good idea, i decided to punt on it, because i don't fully understand the reasoning behind the whole 1.0.1g freeze 1192406;1436315765;BingoBoingo; phf: i built on 5.6 but I can't seem to get mine to be be statically built :( << First thing to understand about OpenBSD is that it is a weird unix. Not as weird as Linux, but differently weird. 1192407;1436315785;phf;mod6: nudge nudge wink wink 1192408;1436315786;mod6;phf: maybe you posted this to the channel? anyway, this is the one I used: http://dpaste.com/28PF9DV.txt 1192409;1436315787;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRdVAX ) 1192410;1436315799;BingoBoingo;phf: It sync'd and so far it hasn't forked outside of the ways other Bitcoins have 1192411;1436315806;mod6;ok, so I should just use your patches just posted then 1192412;1436315843;phf;mod6: yes, though they are conceptually similar to the one from dpaste 1192413;1436315923;mod6;read your readme... so yeah, months and months ago I was able to build a dynamic bitcoind on openbsd, but that was the exact issue after statically linked: seg fault. 1192414;1436315951;mod6;lemme try this out :] 1192415;1436315958;phf;cool! 1192416;1436316125;BingoBoingo;In other news http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/07/07/police-investigation-under-way--home--subway-pitchman-jared-fogle/29807473/ 1192417;1436316128;assbot;How will Subway pitchman Jared Fogle weather FBI investigation? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMzYHs ) 1192418;1436316150;BingoBoingo;^ expect in channel soon? 1192419;1436316290;BingoBoingo;Like Shrem? 1192420;1436316306;trinque;lol 1192421;1436316312;BingoBoingo;Or does he walk with Brock in YCombinator 1192422;1436316316;trinque;why do all the chimos have a certain look about them? 1192423;1436316369;BingoBoingo;Thur Genetics? 1192424;1436316396;trinque;who knows 1192425;1436316416;trinque;there's a sort of pudgy, sunken-eyed, pasty-white I invariably associate with "hide yo kids" 1192426;1436316500;BingoBoingo;But still, that isn't the complete type. It's the entire shape of the face: very, very Anglo 1192427;1436316539;*;funkenstein_ is loving the discussion of time in the logs 1192428;1436316680;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34400000/The-Queen-And-The-Duke-of-Edinburgh-Arrive-in-Slovenia-queen-elizabeth-ii-34496339-691-1024.jpg 1192429;1436316681;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRfbUI ) 1192430;1436316710;BingoBoingo;trinque: Looks just like it 1192431;1436316719;trinque;heh 1192432;1436316797;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr 1192433;1436316960;williamdunne;;;later tell gabriel_laddel was checking my rates, out of interest what is my association with gamingfurry.tumblr.com? 1192434;1436316961;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1192435;1436316968;williamdunne;Morning all 1192436;1436317047;mod6;Buenos Dias 1192437;1436317078;*;mod6 has to ramp up on espanol for c4 1192438;1436317162;williamdunne;I would also like to learn Spanish, on my to do list 1192439;1436317202;*;williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising 1192440;1436317215;mod6;i used to be fairly fluent 10 years ago, now. not so much lol. 1192441;1436317286;williamdunne;I had compulsory German and French lessons for 4 years in state education. Went about as well as expected. My entire vocabulary in both languages is "Bonjour", "Guten Tag", "Ich habe ein gross hose schlange", and "Ich bin zwolf jahre alt", along with a few words of no use on their own 1192442;1436317313;mod6;haha, sounds familiar. 1192443;1436317315;trinque;williamdunne: ich arbeit im krankenhaus 1192444;1436317325;trinque;there, that about does it for my german 1192445;1436317351;williamdunne;State education? 1192446;1436317364;trinque;duolingo lol 1192447;1436317374;trinque;took spanish in high school; I can understand more than I can say 1192448;1436317386;williamdunne;I couldn't even update "Ich bin zwolf jahre alt" to make sense in my current state without the assistance from google translate. 1192449;1436317402;williamdunne;In fairness, even in RO I could understand half the crap because its still latin 1192450;1436317417;williamdunne;Reading French is even easier IMO 1192451;1436317448;shinohai;I speak fluent Taco Bell 1192452;1436317450;shinohai;j/k 1192453;1436317476;*;williamdunne notably did qualify for a non-state school scholarship at a language school, after passing the aptitude tests. Further highlighting the failure of state education 1192454;1436317554;trinque;"puedo comprender mas que puedo hablar" ?? 1192455;1436317559;*;trinque checks himself with google 1192456;1436317608;trinque;google likes it I guess 1192457;1436317649;shinohai;I'm ok with Spanish. Could probably carry on a convo though it has been a while/ 1192458;1436317704;trinque;german I've yet to get past the myriad articles 1192459;1436317721;trinque;near as I can tell, there is no logic to them 1192460;1436317740;shinohai;I'm always impressed with how well Germans speak English 1192461;1436317750;trinque;you just grow up knowing that "*der* Tisch" 1192462;1436317769;trinque;shinohai: heh maybe it's german easy-mode 1192463;1436317802;shinohai;Nearly every one I have met speaks far better English than half the Americans I know. 1192464;1436317823;trinque;having merely dabbled in german, there seems to be a preciseness or specificity to it 1192465;1436317829;trinque;all the articles for example 1192466;1436317842;trinque;"this one out of the set" vs "this one" vs "that" ... so on 1192467;1436317847;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm pretty sure i... solved it! 1192468;1436317847;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1192469;1436317854;trinque;asciilifeform: time? 1192470;1436317859;asciilifeform;it. 1192471;1436317876;asciilifeform;doesn't help pogo 1192472;1436317876;*;trinque sounds the horn 1192473;1436317889;asciilifeform;the ~other~ time 1192474;1436317899;*;shinohai passes a glass of his Absinthe to asciilifeform 1192475;1436317905;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191623 << that one 1192476;1436317905;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 18:51:43; ascii_field: let's imagine, briefly, that i ~do~ find. 1192477;1436317915;asciilifeform;not sure how much good this'll do anyone. 1192478;1436317923;phf;that would be second famous margin note, after fermat's 1192479;1436317929;asciilifeform;phf has it 1192480;1436317939;asciilifeform;which is why before saying any more, i will have to model it. 1192481;1436317970;trinque;fascinating 1192482;1436317998;asciilifeform;other folks can perhaps work it out if i say that the solution is based on dynamic 'predator-prey' equilibrium 1192483;1436318042;asciilifeform;the realization comes from the fact that you don't really need accurate time, just an oscillator that is reasonably independence of amplitude 1192484;1436318046;asciilifeform;*independent 1192485;1436318067;asciilifeform;that cannot be slowed or sped up at will by any given participant 1192486;1436318076;*;asciilifeform off to eat 1192487;1436318172;phf;lamport clocks? 1192488;1436318345;trinque;http://www.thelocal.de/20150707/german-missiles-taken-over-by-hackers << next war will start and end in a flash 1192489;1436318346;assbot;'Hackers' give orders to German missile battery - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRh8Au ) 1192490;1436318497;mod6;phf: do you patches depend on anything besides stator? 1192491;1436318525;mod6;( i patched in ascii's dump/eat block as well, but got a bunch of errors I didn't get last time ): http://dpaste.com/0C67TTN.txt 1192492;1436318526;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dKPE1v ) 1192493;1436318546;phf;mod6: that's the last part of readme, you want to build with gmake instead of make (pkg_add gmake) 1192494;1436318557;phf;ooh, wait 1192495;1436318571;phf;i think that's the errors from environment variables not being set 1192496;1436318572;mod6;oh nevremind. 1192497;1436318585;mod6;i screwed up i don't have realpath installed. 1192498;1436318856;mod6;ok rebuilding 1192499;1436319069;trinque;mod6: which openbsd package provides realpath? 1192500;1436319112;mod6;no idea. i just swapped that stuff out for the fullpath, but gernika reminded me that one can usese readlink -f 1192501;1436319118;mod6;*use 1192502;1436319348;trinque;ah k 1192503;1436319372;BingoBoingo;lol hipsters http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-city-police-20150705-story.html 1192504;1436319373;assbot;Police add insult to injury after mugging - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRi2Nj ) 1192505;1436319533;mircea_popescu;http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10370250.ece/alternates/w620/6-Yanis-Varoufakis-AFP.jpg << wouldja look at the icons of the current adolescent. 1192506;1436319534;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dKRpMg ) 1192507;1436319539;mircea_popescu;fucking pizza delivery man ++ 1192508;1436319562;mircea_popescu;i dunno there's a sadder indictment of the decaying west. 1192509;1436319570;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hm ? 1192510;1436319633;mircea_popescu;and since we're on painful imagery, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e8a70299f0c5800ff75710a46e278040/tumblr_mm38px73ds1rdbtrjo2_1280.jpg 1192511;1436319633;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dKRCz2 ) 1192512;1436319757;BingoBoingo;http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/06/race-in-the-early-films-of-d-w-griffith/ 1192513;1436319759;assbot;Andrew Hamilton, "Race in the Early Films of D. W. Griffith" | Counter-Currents Publishing ... ( http://bit.ly/1dKROyb ) 1192514;1436319829;menahem;omg what is that photo ? insert and expand ? 1192515;1436319841;BingoBoingo;menahem: You must be new here 1192516;1436319861;menahem;ha, fairly. mostly read. 1192517;1436319883;mircea_popescu;in that photo is a mechanical pear 1192518;1436319944;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1192194 << basically holy water. 1192519;1436319944;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 21:00:28; pete_dushenski: not cheap ! 1192520;1436319948;menahem;ahh ok, used in the mouth! 1192521;1436319984;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1192198 << it meant to demonstrate bitcoin doesn't work if it doesn't work on the redditards' terms. it managed to demonstrate instead redditards don't matter, even when they pay for the voice. 1192522;1436319984;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 21:02:02; trinque: I have no idea what they think the 'stress test' is meant to demonstrate 1192523;1436319992;mircea_popescu;which is why this place (ie, bitcoin) is so fucking beautiful. 1192524;1436320000;mircea_popescu;also why it's so fucking disconcerting to the welfare mass. 1192525;1436320015;mircea_popescu;they truely believe it is a natural truth that their existence is all that's needed. 1192526;1436320059;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1192416 < i've heard that the reason he lost so much weight at subway was because he was stalking some chick who worked there 1192527;1436320059;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 00:42:05; BingoBoingo: In other news http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/07/07/police-investigation-under-way--home--subway-pitchman-jared-fogle/29807473/ 1192528;1436320094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35907 @ 0.000557 = 20.0002 BTC [+] {2} 1192529;1436320155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76993 @ 0.00056793 = 43.7266 BTC [+] {4} 1192530;1436320171;mats;thats the first positive outcome to stalking i've heard of 1192531;1436320193;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1192212 << because stupid and lazy. 1192532;1436320193;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 21:05:13; ascii_field: i still can't fathom why this wasn't sop from day 1. 1192533;1436320207;mats;lose a shitload of weight, gain eight digits in your bank 1192534;1436320216;mircea_popescu;mats you know all the girls i knew for the first i dunno, decade of my life i got through stalking ? 1192535;1436320244;mats;define stalking 1192536;1436320278;mats;hiding in the bushes, tracking movements, masturbating to her shadowy figure in the shower? 1192537;1436320291;mircea_popescu;well, the most famous and i guess exemplare case is, mp stops car, tells shadow : follow that girl. guy gets an address, mp gets a phone number, talks to puzzled woman. explains that he had her stalked, would she like to have a cup of coffee 1192538;1436320295;decimation;asciilifeform: I'm not sure what you are thinking, but my idea is to use the 10 minute block time as a noisy oscillator 1192539;1436320306;mircea_popescu;she says sure, she's going for a cup of coffee. i ask where, she says "tell your guy to find out" 1192540;1436320313;mircea_popescu;mad scramble throughout town ensues. 1192541;1436320354;mircea_popescu;i would like to assure the concerned public that no flower bouquets were involved in any of this at any point. 1192542;1436320371;BingoBoingo;!b 8 1192543;1436320371;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q31J0Z.txt ) 1192544;1436320373;williamdunne;Oh good, flowers really would have made the whole situation rather strange 1192545;1436320392;mircea_popescu;williamdunne it's a reference. 1192546;1436320555;decimation;pogo can keep time by comparing its clock to the block discovery interval, averaging over a long period 1192547;1436320587;mircea_popescu;decimation and expect it to come to what, 9 ? 1192548;1436320612;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1192549;1436320615;gribble;Current Blocks: 364334 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 561 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 33 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1192550;1436320627;mircea_popescu;;;calc 364334 / 6/ 24/365 1192551;1436320627;gribble;6.93177321157 1192552;1436320629;decimation;it would take a few difficulty inervals 1192553;1436320637;mircea_popescu;it would appear we are no less than a year into the future. 1192554;1436320643;decimation;heh 1192555;1436320673;decimation;what is the rate at which new blocks are found? 1192556;1436320675;decimation;in seconds? 1192557;1436320684;mircea_popescu;600 1192558;1436320692;mircea_popescu;ideally. irl more like 530ish 1192559;1436320732;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1192251 << nope. exactly unrelated 1192560;1436320732;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 21:14:04; jurov: mircea_popescu: is the ftp server in the vicinity of your bitcoin node? it went full speed for minutes, then it suddenly throttled to 6kbps 1192561;1436320793;mircea_popescu;in like utah or some shit 1192562;1436320842;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1192286 << this. 1192563;1436320842;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 21:30:21; ascii_field: likewise, the 'bubbles' ought to be sized proportional to their connectivity degree. 1192564;1436320874;mircea_popescu;jurov that's a pretty weird graph considering the gaps aren't even same size o.O 1192565;1436320949;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: 530 is pretty ideal, no? Sign of difficulty growth 1192566;1436320988;decimation;you could fit a curve instead of line over a given interval 1192567;1436320992;mircea_popescu;well ideal in what sense ? it's very unideal for his idea of timekeeping, because it proves (what we already knew) : time is meaningless and political time conventional, and all sorts of nutty fashions can endure a long time. ie, 350k blocks in this case. 1192568;1436320999;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191982 <-- i thought she was going to jump back into jupiter's head a few days ago.. off on her merry way again 1192569;1436320999;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 19:54:23; decimation: maybe I should start watching venus too 1192570;1436321014;mircea_popescu;decimation the problem of fitting real time to blocks is in fact going straight to the root of the world. solve it, get nobel. 1192571;1436321015;decimation;funkenstein_: lol 1192572;1436321019;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I guess. At the very least the cause of it is good though 1192573;1436321021;mircea_popescu;or whatever actual respectable prize the nobel used to be 1192574;1436321043;decimation;eh, it demands some modeling 1192575;1436321055;mircea_popescu;noit a bad way to burn time, this assay. 1192576;1436321056;williamdunne;I did a judging thing at teh loebner prize before. Was pretty lulzy 1192577;1436321064;funkenstein_;i've heard tell of a distributed clock that might meet your needs 1192578;1436321070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00057271 = 40.0324 BTC [+] {4} 1192579;1436321072;decimation;heh I got your entendre 1192580;1436321097;funkenstein_;it's a prototype, the code might need some cleaning up 1192581;1436321098;decimation;funkenstein_: what's that 1192582;1436321118;funkenstein_;some financial software or other ;) 1192583;1436321161;decimation;funkenstein_: were you the one studying clock intervals in bitcoin 1192584;1436321183;funkenstein_;yes, i speak of bitcoin :) 1192585;1436321237;funkenstein_;the quantity the a miner needs to report is the time since the last difficulty change 1192586;1436321239;mircea_popescu;listen shorty, you read the log ? 1192587;1436321259;funkenstein_;yes, enjoyed it.. sorry you are probably sick of this time talk already 1192588;1436321277;mircea_popescu;wel lcause youre approaching it fresh 1192589;1436321279;funkenstein_;other than that quantity, the rest is offset 1192590;1436321301;mircea_popescu;yes, magical offset in that you don't know who's lying. 1192591;1436321320;funkenstein_;genesis block tells you most of that offset 1192592;1436321336;mircea_popescu;does not. looky here. block is 100, timestamp is 100, allowable max drift is 100. 1192593;1436321350;mircea_popescu;block 101 arrives, at timestamp 150, advertising timestamp 101. 1192594;1436321354;mircea_popescu;you set your timestamp to 101 1192595;1436321366;mircea_popescu;block 102 arrives, at timestamp 200, advertising timestamp 250. 1192596;1436321370;mircea_popescu;you reject it and now you're forked. 1192597;1436321393;funkenstein_;the longest chain wins 1192598;1436321396;mircea_popescu;no. 1192599;1436321402;mircea_popescu;the longest ACCEPTABLE chain wins. 1192600;1436321411;funkenstein_;right right 1192601;1436321422;mircea_popescu;kneejerk the dwarf wtf! 1192602;1436321475;funkenstein_;we can't know what procedure miners are using to set their own clocks 1192603;1436321485;mircea_popescu;that'd be the problem. 1192604;1436321497;funkenstein_;it's basically a jury duty scenario, you found a block, do your best to tell us what time it is 1192605;1436321507;mircea_popescu;that's not how trustless works. 1192606;1436321553;funkenstein_;well I think asciilifeform is formulating a more specific attack so that should be interesting 1192607;1436321564;ben_vulpes; so much as opening pogo and touching inside multiplies the cost of the operation. << and yet mircea_popescu had this done 1192608;1436321572;ben_vulpes;for lulz as far as i can tell 1192609;1436321609;mircea_popescu;for tests. 1192610;1436321623;mircea_popescu;now if i ask dpb something about it, he can answer sensibly. 1192611;1436321628;ben_vulpes;well clearly. just making a joke. 1192612;1436321649;ben_vulpes;now, as you say, interested parties could find a rate for diddled pogos. 1192613;1436321697;ben_vulpes;and on top of that, his error rate cracking them open is probably zero. small sample size, but... 1192614;1436321710;mircea_popescu;no, it's not. he said some bits got broken 1192615;1436321717;ben_vulpes;ah, my mistake 1192616;1436321751;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual 1192617;1436321842;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1192433 << bwhahaah 1192618;1436321842;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 00:56:00; williamdunne: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel was checking my rates, out of interest what is my association with gamingfurry.tumblr.com? 1192619;1436321845;mircea_popescu;the .. .baby face ? 1192620;1436321876;williamdunne;Furry definitely isn't something I'd label myself with 1192621;1436321885;danielpbarron;it's kinda tricky getting them open. I had to scuff up a credit card and yeah some of the inner clips got cracked 1192622;1436321909;danielpbarron;and it took about an hour to do 12 of them 1192623;1436321922;williamdunne;I might be into some things, but anthropomorphic animals aren't one of those things 1192624;1436321922;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1192570 << at the risk of 'fleischmanning', i will say a little about the concept even though i am not yet done working it out 1192625;1436321922;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 02:03:34; mircea_popescu: decimation the problem of fitting real time to blocks is in fact going straight to the root of the world. solve it, get nobel. 1192626;1436321942;asciilifeform;won't be earning any 'nobels', there is no way in heaven or hell that it could be retrofitted to bitcoin proper 1192627;1436321954;mircea_popescu;take yer time 1192628;1436322037;*;asciilifeform takes mircea_popescu's advice, hushes 1192629;1436322039;Vexual;hehe 1192630;1436322187;mircea_popescu;ands now i shall leave you with http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f930017bebc54ed7b2723594a70d5f0/tumblr_n8xsxzmnYv1r8wl2xo1_1280.jpg while i go make moar coarse frangible threads 1192631;1436322188;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPW3BI ) 1192632;1436322234;menahem;ahh shit thats cray. :D 1192633;1436322881;BingoBoingo;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tinder-date-woman-finds-novel-6010597 1192634;1436322882;assbot;Tinder date woman finds novel way to hit back at man who told her she was too fat to fancy - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZxPmc ) 1192635;1436322882;mod6;phf: hey it worked! sync'ing now... http://dpaste.com/1SZSGAJ.txt 1192636;1436322883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZxQXj ) 1192637;1436322947;funkenstein_;mod6, nice! 1192638;1436322975;mod6;yes, this is fantastic really. 1192639;1436323114;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: could he have been much nicer about it? 1192640;1436323137;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Not at all, bitch needs to stop being a Ham. 1192641;1436323140;asciilifeform;http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/21730/how-does-the-kimoto-gravity-well-regulate-difficulty << not related either to my idea or to pogo. mechanism used in one crackpot altcoin to dispense with need for absolute clock 1192642;1436323141;assbot;algorithms - How does the Kimoto Gravity Well regulate difficulty? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZy3tA ) 1192643;1436323146;asciilifeform;(just need to time a block interval) 1192644;1436323188;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Tinder causes this issue, experienced it in RO 1192645;1436323213;BingoBoingo;Really 1192646;1436323251;williamdunne;Aye, which was remarkable really. Didn't see any others. She was very nice and I still talk to her, but headshots and angles are good at lying 1192647;1436323257;asciilifeform;http://blog.vertcoin.org/?p=5 << critic 1192648;1436323258;assbot;Development update | Vertcoin Developers Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZydRx ) 1192649;1436323267;asciilifeform;from ~other~ crackpot alt. 1192650;1436323289;*;asciilifeform changes gloves, gas mask filter 1192651;1436323390;funkenstein_;seemingly a PID controller would be best for difficulty adjustment, however simplicity is a stronger argument 1192652;1436323430;asciilifeform;this, again, isn't even related to what i was thinking of. but encountered by accident. 1192653;1436323438;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform changes gloves, gas mask filter << Shouldn't you step away from the cesium dust first? 1192654;1436323445;*;asciilifeform has not been keeping track of crackpot 'coins' since 'litecoin' 1192655;1436323459;funkenstein_;speaking thereof: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ci25k/the_current_spam_attack_on_bitcoin_is_not/ 1192656;1436323460;assbot;The current spam attack on Bitcoin is not economically feasible on Litecoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZywvF ) 1192657;1436323561;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Here the pic/reality discrepancy is so bad in a lot of cases it is like a fat person killed a normal with similar hair and started living their life. 1192658;1436323585;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Yeah, she was definitely the same person. Only the body was not what the angles would have you believe 1192659;1436323603;williamdunne;Don't believe she was wearing someone else's face either 1192660;1436323619;asciilifeform;https://blockchain.info/address/162TRPRZvdgLVNksMoMyGJsYBfYtB4Q8tM >> who typically gets these ? 1192661;1436323620;assbot;Bitcoin Address 162TRPRZvdgLVNksMoMyGJsYBfYtB4Q8tM ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZyTGB ) 1192662;1436323632;williamdunne;funkenstein_: In his defence, the litecoin solution actually seemed like a pretty good way to handle it 1192663;1436323633;BingoBoingo;I mean seriously here, the faces look different. Literally have to be using other people's pictures. 1192664;1436323642;asciilifeform;i mean, why has nobody picked it up 1192665;1436323648;asciilifeform;0.00541 is good money 1192666;1436323665;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: I don't understand how they don't think "oh, maybe they'll be confused when they see me in person?" 1192667;1436323809;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: hollywood gave them broken expectations. The moral they complain about is "look good get laid" when they take the worse insane moral of "the protagonist is witty and spechial" 1192668;1436323840;williamdunne;!b 5 1192669;1436323840;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/21AC41Z.txt ) 1192670;1436323851;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: like anything else that works even though 'shouldn't', this works 1192671;1436323889;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Are you suggesting that our tumblrina protagonist isn't witty, or special like the most specialist of snowflakes 1192672;1436324056;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: except none of that crud is operative, it works from an elementary 'pigeonhole theorem' - many cocks, few parking spots 1192673;1436324082;williamdunne;Drinking law in the UK is even more lax than I had realized 1192674;1436324083;williamdunne;https://www.gov.uk/alcohol-young-people-law 1192675;1436324084;assbot;Alcohol and young people - GOV.UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZzPe9 ) 1192676;1436324139;BingoBoingo;No, example. Drinking at the bar with some friends. One fire up "Tinder" girl with nice pictures takes a cab across the mississippi river and walk into the bar. Diameter more than half her height. Recognizes friend, friend has no idea who she is. 1192677;1436324172;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: she will get laid that day. whereas 90%+ of normal-looking blokes - won't. 1192678;1436324178;asciilifeform;l337 m4rk3tz 1192679;1436324199;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Note that in North America gay rights became popular as femal obesity rates spiked 1192680;1436324216;decimation;lol blockchain.info is still posting 1-size blocks 1192681;1436324242;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i suspect that everybody who came from the factory with that vernier not glued down, is turning it, yes 1192682;1436324244;asciilifeform;decimation: link ? 1192683;1436324258;decimation;https://blockchain.info/ 1192684;1436324259;assbot;Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZA5db ) 1192685;1436324265;mats;lol 1192686;1436324267;decimation;2 in the last 30 minutes 1192687;1436324275;mats;such social commentary 1192688;1436324276;asciilifeform;ph0rkz!!! 1192689;1436324282;decimation;I guess. 1192690;1436324292;asciilifeform;ph0rkr4pht! 1192691;1436324293;decimation;it would be interesting to know how blockchain.info gets its data 1192692;1436324318;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: she will get laid that day. whereas 90%+ of normal-looking blokes - won't. << She apparently even managed to fuck this up. Reportedly gave friend sad handjob and blackmailed for attention the next day with promise of putting out eventually. Was driven to bar in the ghetto and left (could not run to vehicle in time to stop it) 1192693;1436324325;*;williamdunne for a while no longer has to worry about getting laid 1192694;1436324338;williamdunne;decimation: carrier pigeon, although it's suffering with pattern baldness 1192695;1436324338;decimation;I hope those 'bitcoin core' dumbfucks are happy with the progress they are making 1192696;1436324343;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: i suspect that everybody who came from the factory with that vernier not glued down, is turning it, yes << 31337 social engineering 1192697;1436324359;williamdunne;It really is remarkable how blockchain.info didn't go down the goxhole, they just consistently break 1192698;1436324378;asciilifeform;because nobody really relies on it for anything 1192699;1436324382;asciilifeform;hence failure - no problem 1192700;1436324401;asciilifeform;https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000abdbee0b1c681c7bd3ebd5753af822fdaf7a6754e154b50 1192701;1436324402;assbot;Bitcoin Block #364343 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZAcW6 ) 1192702;1436324406;williamdunne;"MyWallet" ? 1192703;1436324407;asciilifeform;https://blockchain.info/block/000000000000000009ba590de2819dd4b4f7741fc4b9fc9d45c2e1e00d0ca6ec 1192704;1436324407;assbot;Bitcoin Block #364339 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZAdcG ) 1192705;1436324546;decimation;interesting 364343 was relayed by 65.182.235.207 1192706;1436324571;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: When piuk rolled out blockchain.info it was the best block explorer. Once he stopped doing everything it swiftly went to shit and got Andreas'd 1192707;1436324576;decimation;which is purported to be in canby, oregon 1192708;1436324594;decimation;wasn't that where the bctc guy lived? 1192709;1436324625;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: I can't tolerate any of them currently. Blockchain.info is constantly broken, and all the others have these horrible gaudy interfaces. 1192710;1436324673;decimation;it appears the coinbase one agrees with blockchain.info https://bitcoin.toshi.io/#block 1192711;1436324675;assbot;Toshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZACM6 ) 1192712;1436324681;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: And this is what temps me to fuck with running an electrum server. To run a private block explorer accountable only to me when it barfs 1192713;1436324702;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: no bootstrap plz 1192714;1436324763;BingoBoingo;WHen have I ever used bootstrap? 1192715;1436324791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0005515 = 4.9635 BTC [-] 1192716;1436324791;williamdunne;It seems to be a default option, not a personal accusation 1192717;1436324800;williamdunne;Qntra style would be lovely <3 1192718;1436324854;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB08E08EEF3C71AEC185767B076C306E945E535BE55A8CAAAB9378A9F7CD4D1 << missed by scoopbot ? 1192719;1436324859;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZAQ5O ) 1192720;1436324902;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Scoopbot doesn't deal with phuctor, that's trinquebot 1192721;1436324904;asciilifeform;and what is 'marketplace.i2p' ? 1192722;1436324913;asciilifeform;( as seen in http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4FC297377727D7EDA1512181888ECF02A8A5E5BC9B8406B2BF852B84F32FD55A ) 1192723;1436324918;williamdunne;asciilifeform: I'd presume a marketplace on i2p 1192724;1436324921;asciilifeform;well sure 1192725;1436324924;asciilifeform;but ~what~ 1192726;1436324931;asciilifeform;anybody got a box running i2p? 1192727;1436324933;asciilifeform;i can't be arsed 1192728;1436324956;williamdunne;https://www.reddit.com/r/themarketplace/ 1192729;1436324958;assbot;The Market Place - An Anonymous Market Built To Enable Trustless Transactions. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZB4de ) 1192730;1436324964;williamdunne;mabbeh that one 1192731;1436325287;decimation;asciilifeform: it strikes me that your choice of location is to some degree a 'prisoner's dilemma'. 1192732;1436325298;asciilifeform;? 1192733;1436325308;decimation;everyone in your meatwot could probably get a better deal if they lived somewhere cheaper 1192734;1436325322;asciilifeform;like botswana 1192735;1436325329;decimation;but 'cooperation' in moving together is much more expensive than 'defection' to the local area 1192736;1436325338;decimation;hell, west virginia 1192737;1436325342;asciilifeform;one fella did 1192738;1436325350;asciilifeform;now he sits in car for 4 hours instead of 2 1192739;1436325353;trinque;to be fair, west virginia is a shithole 1192740;1436325359;decimation;heh well that's not very much moving 1192741;1436325369;decimation;trinque: sure, but it wouldn't be if people moved there 1192742;1436325384;trinque;maybe so 1192743;1436325384;decimation;why do they all defect to the big city every day 1192744;1436325391;asciilifeform;it would also cost what maryland costs 1192745;1436325394;asciilifeform;if folks moved there 1192746;1436325395;trinque;most notable thing I recall about WV is that giant teapot 1192747;1436325395;asciilifeform;elementary. 1192748;1436325407;asciilifeform;as soon as you start moving in folks with money, it stops 'being cheap' 1192749;1436325412;asciilifeform;the rent collectors don't sleep 1192750;1436325429;decimation;asciilifeform: partially because more dollars are 'created' to bid up assets 1192751;1436325442;williamdunne;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33414264 1192752;1436325443;assbot;Canadian flew over Calgary in chair carried by balloons - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZBMqN ) 1192753;1436325443;williamdunne;Hilarious, he's being charged for this 1192754;1436325443;asciilifeform;even if dollars were conserved 1192755;1436325443;decimation;I suspect that problem wouldn't be as pronounced with a hard-banking hard currency 1192756;1436325483;decimation;sure, folks would bid up assets, but the vast majority of bids in the wash dc area are 'zombies' 1192757;1436325489;decimation;ie usg passthroughs 1192758;1436325504;asciilifeform;and our collective salaries - aren't ? 1192759;1436325512;trinque;"Mr Boria has been charged with mischief causing danger to life and could face further charges." << wait... his? 1192760;1436325513;decimation;heh good point 1192761;1436325539;decimation;the question is: how much of the money that is 'freshly printed' by the fed or a bank part of the wash dc bid? 1192762;1436325547;decimation;that's theoretically measurable 1192763;1436325568;asciilifeform;at this point, i don't regard any aspect of the whole orchestra as honestly measurable 1192764;1436325577;asciilifeform;other than - just possibly - by the perpetrators 1192765;1436325579;williamdunne;trinque: Yes, his. Unless they're suggesting his stray garden chair could mysteriously strike someone down 1192766;1436325597;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778096 << see also 1192767;1436325598;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:29; asciilifeform: g: 'show me the real budget.' a: 'you're asking too much. that's off limits to you.' 1192768;1436325625;decimation;you could multiply direct gov spending by the 'print factor' 1192769;1436325648;decimation;but that would only capture a portion - it would exclude the portion magicked into existance by banks 1192770;1436325651;asciilifeform;what does one get from multiplying one work of fiction by another ? 1192771;1436325657;decimation;heh 1192772;1436325665;asciilifeform;let's multiply width of unicorn's horn at its base by the length of yeti's cock 1192773;1436325678;asciilifeform;equals depth of mermaid's snatch ? 1192774;1436325683;decimation;then map the yeti/uni/heat cock 1192775;1436325718;decimation;I guess it would be a useful as the map that nyt ran which indicated the density of racists over usa 1192776;1436325727;asciilifeform;aha 1192777;1436325743;*;asciilifeform wonders if they recycled map of communists from '50s or bothered to make a new one 1192778;1436325812;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/f-16-and-small-private-plane-collide-in-midair-over-south-carolina.html < usg cares for its people 1192779;1436325815;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZCowG ) 1192780;1436325882;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/gun-shaped-iphone-case-is-a-terrible-idea-police-officials-warn.html << in other lulz 1192781;1436325885;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZCuEv ) 1192782;1436325943;asciilifeform;'Mr. Schumer said a federal law requires toy or imitation guns to feature a highly visible orange mark at the end of the barrel to identify them as harmless. Since the phone case does not have the marker, he said, he would work with customs officials to block its import and sale.' << l0l! srsly? 1192783;1436325982;asciilifeform;1) spray orange paint on 'thompson' 2) pull out in front of police 3) ??? 4) profit!!!111! 1192784;1436326084;decimation;asciilifeform: note that the police are rarely punished for shooting innocents 1192785;1436326132;decimation;http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html# < note that 'nigger' correlates with large black populations, similar for others 1192786;1436326133;assbot;Hate Map ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZCQv1 ) 1192787;1436326169;asciilifeform;latest memo to police almost certainly reads 'plz shoot only white, thx' 1192788;1436326220;mats;'chink' doesn't correlate to california at all 1192789;1436326255;mats;or any place with large asian populations that i'm aware of 1192790;1436326281;mats;worst app ever 1192791;1436326296;asciilifeform;mats is surprised to discover that unicorn's snatch depth does not correlate with mermaid's cock length ? 1192792;1436326299;decimation;mats: note that the 'normalize by the number of tweets' 1192793;1436326312;decimation;thus effectively discounting the liberal population centers 1192794;1436326326;asciilifeform;thttp://www.hardforkcoin.org << for entomologists only!111!!1 1192795;1436326329;decimation;so the self-serving bastards can come to the conclusion that those rednecks out in the sticks are the real racists 1192796;1436326346;mats;so what i need an inverse contrast map 1192797;1436326350;mats;and avoid everything else 1192798;1436326354;decimation;heh yeah 1192799;1436326361;mats;thats a lot of america 1192800;1436326366;mats;but i knew that already 1192801;1436326493;funkenstein_;metastudies of tweets <-- totally useless waste of time 1192802;1436326558;decimation;funkenstein_: my favorite study of the issue: http://unamusementpark.com/2011/07/blacks-ruin-fourth-of-july-in-baltimore-media-censor-race/ 1192803;1436326560;assbot;Unamusement Park » Blog Archive » Blacks ruin Fourth of July in Baltimore; media censor race ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMCsW0 ) 1192804;1436326592;decimation;guy found tweets by black people in baltimore back during fourth of july 2011, when there was violence 1192805;1436326599;asciilifeform;isn't that the fella who got 'beaten to death by accident' in a johannesburg police station ? 1192806;1436326607;decimation;heh it might be 1192807;1436326612;asciilifeform;i recall the liberast blogosphere laughing maniacally about this 1192808;1436326617;asciilifeform;'racist gets just deserts' 1192809;1436326731;decimation;he seems to have posted in janurary 1192810;1436326750;asciilifeform;perhaps it was the one who did 'across difficult country' 1192811;1436326752;asciilifeform;i forget. 1192812;1436326758;asciilifeform;don't give much of a shit any more 1192813;1436326804;mats;i'm enjoying the tweets on that link, decimation 1192814;1436326829;mats;ebonics has so much... variety 1192815;1436326845;funkenstein_;i talk with criminal slang 1192816;1436326922;funkenstein_;i read some tweets once, it was when dorian was being collected 1192817;1436326927;funkenstein_;after that i vowed never again 1192818;1436327057;decimation;mats: amusingly 'unamusement park' is totally blacklisted from all search engines 1192819;1436327287;decimation;!up Vexual 1192820;1436327444;Vexual;i think alf set his clock 1192821;1436327492;funkenstein_;reminds me of Eddie Murphy's grandmother: "What time is it?" 1192822;1436327550;funkenstein_;it might be an interesting simulation to see what would happen if not only all nodes but all miners had no real clock 1192823;1436327581;funkenstein_;difficulty would stay constant I suppose 1192824;1436327633;Vexual;can you describe celestial navigation to decimation? 1192825;1436327651;funkenstein_;well the latitude is easy 1192826;1436327691;funkenstein_;for longitude, i believe there is a book by sobel or something 1192827;1436327713;decimation;http://asteroidoccultation.com/asteroid.htm < you can see local asteroid occulations 1192828;1436327716;assbot; Asteroid Occultation Predictions (Current) ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZEfl2 ) 1192829;1436327755;decimation;you can calculate them yourself with winblows turdware and usg provided emphemeris data http://www.lunar-occultations.com/iota/occult4.htm 1192830;1436327756;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZEigZ ) 1192831;1436327773;decimation;longitude requires knowledge of time 1192832;1436327808;Vexual;what if your tables are from 1997? 1192833;1436327879;funkenstein_;nothing under magnitude 10, makes it difficult on my canoe 1192834;1436327900;funkenstein_;but I like it anyway 1192835;1436327901;Vexual;what canoe? 1192836;1436327915;Vexual;how far do you paddle? 1192837;1436327974;funkenstein_;figure of speech 1192838;1436327988;Vexual;aha 1192839;1436328051;decimation;http://www.amazon.com/Long-Term-Almanac-2000-2050-Reduction/dp/0914025104 < tables to 2050 1192840;1436328053;assbot;Long Term Almanac 2000-2050: For the Sun and Selected Stars With Concise Sight Reduction Tables, 2nd Edition: Geoffrey Kolbe: 9780914025108: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMFRnX ) 1192841;1436328067;Vexual;decimation: sight redution tables for nother lats are avail from .mil in pdf 1192842;1436328118;Vexual;if you have a printer 1192843;1436328327;Vexual;whats ur approx lat decimation? 1192844;1436328358;Vexual;n/s? 1192845;1436328405;decimation;around 40 n 1192846;1436328433;Vexual;fuck thats a long way north 1192847;1436328480;decimation;yeah, and uk is even father 1192848;1436328483;decimation;farther 1192849;1436328499;Vexual;really? 1192850;1436328511;Vexual;i cant even geography 1192851;1436328555;decimation;usg charges for their nautical almanacs 1192852;1436328556;decimation;http://bookstore.gpo.gov/agency/1449 1192853;1436328559;assbot;Nautical Almanac Office | U.S. Government Bookstore ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZEU67 ) 1192854;1436328571;Vexual;same infos free on .mil 1192855;1436328581;decimation;australian? 1192856;1436328592;Vexual;maybe, i dunno whats in thr almanac 1192857;1436328597;Vexual;yes 1192858;1436328598;decimation;yeah uk is roughly 50-60 n 1192859;1436328615;decimation;london is 51 n 1192860;1436328624;decimation;it's relatively warm because of the gulf stream 1192861;1436328639;Vexual;50s at aussie long is firmly in a world of shit 1192862;1436328670;decimation;ottawa, canada is roughly 45 n for instance 1192863;1436328673;decimation;but much colder 1192864;1436328693;Vexual;theres no land to slow the wind at 50s 1192865;1436328728;decimation;50 s is well south of tasmania 1192866;1436328821;decimation;that's probably why nobody lives on macquarie island 1192867;1436328890;Vexual;it might be national park 1192868;1436328922;Vexual;on eny given day you might meet a horny marine biologist 1192869;1436328982;decimation;yeah apparently they killed all the mammals 1192870;1436329071;ben_vulpes;http://people.csail.mit.edu/hofma/Assets/Thesis_12_02_2005.pdf << okay now this is cool 1192871;1436329079;Vexual;yeah rats, i saw that 1192872;1436329503;mats;man 1192873;1436329523;mats;i set up a raid0 with two SSDs 1192874;1436329537;mats;and windoze updates on this box still takes hours wtf 1192875;1436329600;mats;\o/ 1192876;1436330108;ben_vulpes;> windows 1192877;1436330110;ben_vulpes;mk 1192878;1436330123;ben_vulpes;help i am 1200 lines behind 1192879;1436330154;mircea_popescu;have less sex. 1192880;1436330371;ben_vulpes;do y'all eventually get to why averaging out umpteen 2016 blocks won't work in place of timekeeping? 1192881;1436330373;asciilifeform;!b 3 1192882;1436330374;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2J2VN7A.txt ) 1192883;1436330387;decimation;about 80% of it: use ntp! no time itself is owned by usg and so are all servers and isps! 1192884;1436330390;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: for the same reason pulling one's cock doesn't work as a means of flight 1192885;1436330405;ben_vulpes;what? 1192886;1436330421;asciilifeform;'in place of timekeeping' 1192887;1436330454;ben_vulpes;sorry, diff adjustments. 1192888;1436330472;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they take place with wall clock as invariant 1192889;1436330482;asciilifeform;i spent all morning trying to hammer this into thick headz 1192890;1436330516;asciilifeform;if you plug block times into wall clock, letting the former adjust the latter, you've plugged arse into mouth 1192891;1436330518;ben_vulpes;made good progress i see 1192892;1436330521;asciilifeform;and are no longer using classical bitcoin 1192893;1436330546;ben_vulpes;alas. 1192894;1436330559;ben_vulpes;the thing is miserably bad anyways, why would anyone want to use it? 1192895;1436330567;asciilifeform;still lost on me 1192896;1436330590;ben_vulpes;anyways, how do you plan to handle this on pogos? 1192897;1436330617;asciilifeform;no idea 1192898;1436330624;asciilifeform;left it to ben_vulpes to solve 1192899;1436330648;ben_vulpes;you know i'm not even convinced a node *should* be stood up without human intervention. 1192900;1436330658;asciilifeform;then shouldn't have any interest in pogo 1192901;1436330667;asciilifeform;because whole fucking point of it is that and only that. 1192902;1436330678;ben_vulpes;well "should" is a strong word 1192903;1436330704;asciilifeform;point of pogo is to allow well-meaning but illiterate or even stupid people to run therealbitcoin. 1192904;1436330715;asciilifeform;(and don't forget the merely lazy) 1192905;1436330721;decimation;ben_vulpes: it seemed that there was some some concensus around the idea of randomly selecting a small set of ntp servers out of a large pre-defined set 1192906;1436330739;decimation;this doesn't solve the "pogo clock is shit" problem 1192907;1436330741;asciilifeform;except then danielpbarron reminded us that this will have to happen regularly 1192908;1436330745;asciilifeform;because the thing drifts to all hell 1192909;1436330769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00055147 = 37.7205 BTC [-] {2} 1192910;1436330775;asciilifeform;(marvell chipset ~has~ rtc, but the vendor omitted the 32kHz crystal and power source.) 1192911;1436330777;ben_vulpes;i'm sure moreso under load 1192912;1436330782;asciilifeform;so it uses interrupt-based timing, like msdos 1192913;1436330785;asciilifeform;aha, ben_vulpes has it 1192914;1436330794;decimation;which means continous correction is nearly required 1192915;1436330834;ben_vulpes;myeah, i see that. 1192916;1436330861;decimation;asciilifeform: as to ass-to-mouth system, it depends on your error model for thblock timestamps 1192917;1436330876;asciilifeform;arse-to-mouth is a strictly fact-of thing 1192918;1436330877;decimation;imagine each miner has his own cesium clock 1192919;1436330885;asciilifeform;and meet in the flesh to sync it ? 1192920;1436330890;asciilifeform;let's also imagine dragons. 1192921;1436330908;asciilifeform;try to grasp why political time is a fiction 1192922;1436330914;asciilifeform;and why rsa signatures do not make it less of one 1192923;1436330937;decimation;asciilifeform: it's really hard to imagine when < 100 ns accuracy is nearly freely and reliably avaialable 1192924;1436330942;asciilifeform;picture the proverbial devil in the cable. he perhaps cannot diddle your packets (because you signed them, and have traded pubkeys in person) but he can... delay them 1192925;1436330945;asciilifeform;as long as he likes 1192926;1436330948;asciilifeform;and also can replay. 1192927;1436330969;asciilifeform;the accuracy doesn't matter because you have no way of knowing whether the above have been done to you 1192928;1436330970;asciilifeform;and when 1192929;1436331064;asciilifeform;much of our thought takes place in an imaginary world where communication is instantaneous, perfectly reliable, and perfectly incorruptible. but we do not actually live in that world. 1192930;1436331095;asciilifeform;nor do we get the luxury of precise, predictable delta from that world. 1192931;1436331191;decimation;ntp has provisions against replay and deplay attacks 1192932;1436331204;asciilifeform;replay i can see 1192933;1436331207;asciilifeform;but delay ? 1192934;1436331213;asciilifeform;how ? 1192935;1436331226;asciilifeform;let me guess, by comparing the behaviour of one node with others 1192936;1436331232;asciilifeform;aka lifting yourself up by own cock. 1192937;1436331270;asciilifeform;in my expected battlefield, chances are that either none of your links are sybils, or ALL OF THEM ARE 1192938;1436331291;asciilifeform;comparing a subset of your field of vision with the rest does nothing against the latter. 1192939;1436331304;decimation;plus the behaviour of one node over time 1192940;1436331312;asciilifeform;can be perfectly consistent 1192941;1436331316;asciilifeform;while leading you straight to hell 1192942;1436331407;asciilifeform;all of this goes back to the 'protocol vs promises' discussion 1192943;1436331421;asciilifeform;it is possible to count the pulses of a pulsar, of cesium atom, of quartz, etc 1192944;1436331435;asciilifeform;but as soon as you ask another person 'what time is it' you are playing political games 1192945;1436331442;decimation;http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/onwire.html The symmetric modes operate using a sequence of rounds, each consisting of a transmit packet followed by a receive packet, but either of both of these packets could be lost. A round is correct if both packets are correctly received. In order to verify correctness of the protocol, it is necessary to prove a liveness assertion; that is, the protocol always yields a correct round even if after 1192946;1436331443;assbot;Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9O7t ) 1192947;1436331443;asciilifeform;there is not actually a way out of this 1192948;1436331463;mircea_popescu; you know i'm not even convinced a node *should* be stood up without human intervention. << this may be true. 1192949;1436331491;asciilifeform;^ then there ought to be 100 nodes, running on 'microvax' 1192950;1436331495;mircea_popescu;and the followin line does not follow. some intelligent people are poor, or more to wit : some poor people are (allegedly) intelligent. i doub this is true. but if it were, pogo is their way out. 1192951;1436331499;asciilifeform;because that's how many people alive are ~actually qualified~ 1192952;1436331503;mircea_popescu;and if they fail to find it, or to take it, you have no case. 1192953;1436331530;mircea_popescu; point of pogo is to allow well-meaning but illiterate or even stupid people to run therealbitcoin. << no. well meaning stupid is the LAST thing we want. i'd rather import us academia. 1192954;1436331540;asciilifeform;then wtf is the point 1192955;1436331548;mircea_popescu;what you want is the alleged minialfs who exist. people who supposedly could use the head, but somehow magically "not enough fuel" 1192956;1436331572;asciilifeform;and if it has to be blessed with the magical breath of life of intelligence every time mains power flickers, it is a proverbial 'assembly line requiring ph.d.s' to borrow from al schwartz 1192957;1436331575;asciilifeform;i.e. a sad joke 1192958;1436331579;mircea_popescu;now this is true 1192959;1436331587;mircea_popescu;but notice that this does not run as far as the previous 1192960;1436331588;asciilifeform;that's all i was trying to say 1192961;1436331596;mircea_popescu;aite. 1192962;1436331623;asciilifeform;there is also cuckoldry aspect here 1192963;1436331630;asciilifeform;one ought to be able to drop pogos on a dumb corp's net 1192964;1436331635;asciilifeform;and have them operate 1192965;1436331663;asciilifeform;no shortage of eligible cuckolds and cuckolders for this 1192966;1436331670;asciilifeform;but it has to be practical 1192967;1436331673;decimation;I view the firewall/nat problem as much bigger 1192968;1436331673;mircea_popescu;if you can do that, comandeer a server. 1192969;1436331678;mircea_popescu;less noticeable than "wtf is this new item" 1192970;1436331691;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: many, many more people who can 'commandeer' a broom closet with ethernet 1192971;1436331693;asciilifeform;believe. 1192972;1436331710;asciilifeform;and hardly ever anyone asks 'what is this' 1192973;1436331711;mircea_popescu;so no, i do not believe pogo has anything to do with http://trilema.com/open-parasitic-p2p-relay 1192974;1436331712;assbot;[OPEN] Parasitic P2P Relay on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNaB8D ) 1192975;1436331719;asciilifeform;not directly. 1192976;1436331732;mircea_popescu;also in the news : the well rounded education. http://41.media.tumblr.com/00c3d0c2cdb22bedb8754888b020266e/tumblr_mtfjsjpKCf1ryftdoo1_1280.jpg 1192977;1436331734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNaCJC ) 1192978;1436331741;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you need a million tyler durdens. 1192979;1436331759;ben_vulpes;and they *can* bless a pogo. 1192980;1436331767;asciilifeform;i thought those just set things on fire ? 1192981;1436331787;ben_vulpes;and pogo is? 1192982;1436331792;decimation;http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-mob-technology-consultants-help-drug-traffickers/ < "The device they built looked like a European version of a power strip. Tucked inside a 15-by-5-inch casing was a tiny Linux computer running powerful hacking software called Metasploit. The pwnie sent out data via cellular networks, which meant they could be accessed from anywhere." 1192983;1436331792;assbot;The Mob's IT Department | Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNaNVl ) 1192984;1436331805;asciilifeform;a land mine that has to be rebooted by hand every few weeks is a sad joke. 1192985;1436331807;asciilifeform;i stand by this. 1192986;1436331821;decimation;maybe the land mine reboots you 1192987;1436331836;asciilifeform;decimation: not only classic, but so cliche that there are 1,001 commercial copies 1192988;1436331837;mircea_popescu;" running powerful hacking software called Metasploit" 1192989;1436331838;decimation;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114367/ 1192990;1436331839;assbot;Planète hurlante (1995) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNaSbF ) 1192991;1436331841;mircea_popescu;who the fuck still reads these things 1192992;1436331850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, actually, it's a good idea. 1192993;1436331866;mircea_popescu;i'd like land mines like that. so would every army out there. 1192994;1436331866;decimation;apparently some mobster in amsterdam recruited a couple of nerds to exploit shipping companies 1192995;1436331881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you want them on the other side, aha 1192996;1436331891;asciilifeform;shoot the idiots while they crawl around rebooting. 1192997;1436331898;mircea_popescu;no, the problem with landmines atm is that they can't be safely defused 1192998;1436331905;mircea_popescu;if you got 100% guaranteed 2 week only mines, o boy. 1192999;1436331911;asciilifeform;the 'safe defuse with key' thing already exists 1193000;1436331911;mircea_popescu;you'd be rich with this. fo realz. 1193001;1436331915;asciilifeform;notice, not popular 1193002;1436331923;mircea_popescu;cuz not reliable. 1193003;1436331930;asciilifeform;dun think thats why 1193004;1436331936;asciilifeform;rather, because winblowz 1193005;1436331936;mircea_popescu;a 99.999% success rate is the last thing you want. 1193006;1436331941;mircea_popescu;drop 1mn mines, get killed 10 times. 1193007;1436331946;asciilifeform;this is sop btw 1193008;1436331953;asciilifeform;ask folks who work with frags 1193009;1436331963;asciilifeform;there is a certain statistic for how many have, e.g., 1sec fuse 1193010;1436331970;asciilifeform;(if rated is 5) 1193011;1436331988;asciilifeform;'get killed 10 times' is actually doing pretty well ahead of the curve! 1193012;1436332031;decimation;yeah plenty of folks die trying to learn how to throw gernades 1193013;1436332037;asciilifeform;the reason, afaik, why 'defuse with key' did not catch on is a ~well-founded~ distrust of computer 1193014;1436332069;asciilifeform;'computer', to an experienced commander, means 'twerp will cast a spell and enemy will walk clean across, shredding you' 1193015;1436332085;asciilifeform;this is what 25 yrs of winblowz did to the mind 1193016;1436332103;asciilifeform;it'll be generations after a sane computer exists that this kind of thinking even gets a chance of drawing to a close. 1193017;1436332109;decimation;also 'we need soldiers who can do that' 1193018;1436332154;ben_vulpes; want a fucking WALL POSTER << codebase isn't that bad, should be doable by hand :P 1193019;1436332160;asciilifeform;for contrast: i just finished a neat little book (ru) on early artillery 1193020;1436332179;asciilifeform;early cannoneers accepted double-digit chances of being blown up by own barrel 1193021;1436332188;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: go, do 1193022;1436332194;ben_vulpes;no, u 1193023;1436332197;asciilifeform;then swear with your life that it's 100% covered 1193024;1436332216;asciilifeform;'isn't that bad' l0l 1193025;1436332230;ben_vulpes;heh 1193026;1436332350;asciilifeform;decimation: re: 'round trip' ntp - you still are at the mercy of local clock's accuracy when computing the trip time 1193027;1436332364;ben_vulpes; haha holy shit, dxr's "install" method is vagrant << see also gitlab 1193028;1436332366;asciilifeform;if your local clock is shit, i can still induce you to rely on it more, more 1193029;1436332370;asciilifeform;and drift. 1193030;1436332381;decimation;yes, true 1193031;1436332381;ben_vulpes;vast quantities of braindamage. 1193032;1436332399;decimation;ultimately there's no substitute for good hardware 1193033;1436332426;asciilifeform;i am trying - and apparently failing - to make the point that there is no such thing as 'good hardware' for finding out 'what time' it is on ~my~ atomic clock from across an ocean. 1193034;1436332438;asciilifeform;just so happens that the universe is 'bad hardware' for that. 1193035;1436332448;asciilifeform;even before you add a war 1193036;1436332480;decimation;and yet, even usg manages to keep orbital rb clocks ticking 1193037;1436332484;ben_vulpes; phf: No, not yet. On OpenBSD I'm running an 0.7.2 derivative with LibreSSL 2.0 just to see how it behaves. << how's the libressl build going? 1193038;1436332496;asciilifeform;decimation: timebases! 1193039;1436332497;asciilifeform;not clocks 1193040;1436332502;asciilifeform;try to grasp the difference 1193041;1436332512;asciilifeform;and notice how easy it is to spoof'em 1193042;1436332523;asciilifeform;the thing is a house of cards 1193043;1436332564;decimation;if your point is that they are centrally disciplined that's probably true 1193044;1436332571;asciilifeform;not only 1193045;1436332580;asciilifeform;but defenseless against a kid with sdr card. 1193046;1436332587;ben_vulpes;* williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising << furries, asphyxiation... 1193047;1436332622;asciilifeform;chunk of meat in the desert, that flies have not found yet 1193048;1436332657;decimation;at any rate, your objection to coordinating clocks seems to boil down to "can't carry messages of a known latency over spacetime" 1193049;1436332665;decimation;how is this not the case? 1193050;1436332734;asciilifeform;if we were in space war, could probably carry on with something like the naive notion of clocks 1193051;1436332738;asciilifeform;limited only by sr, etc 1193052;1436332742;asciilifeform;but we are not in space. 1193053;1436332747;asciilifeform;but in a hell, with devils 1193054;1436332752;asciilifeform;on every wire. 1193055;1436332766;decimation;so your objection boils down to 'enemy controls means of communication' 1193056;1436332770;asciilifeform;aha. 1193057;1436332770;decimation;which is a reasonable point 1193058;1436332780;decimation;but is applicable to the entire bitcoin enterprise equally 1193059;1436332784;asciilifeform;it is not. 1193060;1436332787;asciilifeform;because proof-of-work. 1193061;1436332795;asciilifeform;i can tell a zero-diff block and so can you 1193062;1436332805;asciilifeform;some things cannot be faked. 1193063;1436332822;asciilifeform;rsa also exists, and this prevents certain other spurious items 1193064;1436332832;asciilifeform;but these do not add up to a trustworthy clock. 1193065;1436332867;decimation;this only emphasizes the point that there needs to be alternate communication media available 1193066;1436332884;decimation;ionosphere will relay for free, cannot be pwned by usg 1193067;1436332895;asciilifeform;most fundamental problem is that distributed clocks are infinitely sybilable. 1193068;1436332905;asciilifeform;how the fuck do i know what is on the other end of ionosphere? 1193069;1436332908;asciilifeform;man, or usg gnome ? 1193070;1436332914;decimation;you just said, rsa can solve that problem 1193071;1436332928;asciilifeform;only if i'm personally friends with fella who owns clock 1193072;1436332935;decimation;indeed. 1193073;1436332936;asciilifeform;and the wall time i want to know is specifically his 1193074;1436332940;decimation;or he's in your wot somehow 1193075;1436332968;decimation;if 99% of miners use usg time, what's the use of wot-time? 1193076;1436332994;asciilifeform;if 99% of miners use gavincoin and spv, what is the use of therealbitcoin ? 1193077;1436333002;decimation;excellent question 1193078;1436333040;asciilifeform;i suspect that mircea_popescu might answer that it is for the next set of miners 1193079;1436333047;asciilifeform;after the current set gets ddt sprayed on them 1193080;1436333054;asciilifeform;like all locusts deserve 1193081;1436333113;decimation;the idea of a crypto-radio-clock intrigues me 1193082;1436333162;decimation;I have a few sketches for such a thing, but I can't get around the problem of fixed keys that need to be distributed to listeners 1193083;1436333165;asciilifeform;i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. 1193084;1436333170;asciilifeform;at least, clocks in the usual political sense. 1193085;1436333191;decimation;that auto-scaling-difficulty thing seems crazy though 1193086;1436333198;decimation;at least on a per-block basis 1193087;1436333207;asciilifeform;it is clearly not the solution 1193088;1436333214;asciilifeform;i linked to it to illustrate the sheer batshit 1193089;1436333218;decimation;heh 1193090;1436333245;asciilifeform;the solution is to force the miners themselves into behaving like a pendulum with a period from which they, collectively, deviate at their peril. 1193091;1436333252;asciilifeform;i promise to explain this later. 1193092;1436333278;decimation;sounds like it would involve incrementing the protocol version 1193093;1436333290;asciilifeform;it absolutely cannot work with classical bitcoin 1193094;1436333295;decimation;but it is an interesting idea 1193095;1436333301;asciilifeform;and thus i am not entirely sure who would find it interesting here, and why 1193096;1436333330;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Still sync'd on BritneyChain 1193097;1436333373;asciilifeform;basic idea involves 'left-handed' and 'right-handed' miners, with game-theoretical reward matrix of being one depending on the first derivative in the hashing power of the other. 1193098;1436333396;asciilifeform;still trying to model this. 1193099;1436333420;ben_vulpes;i think mircea_popescu designed something like that for eulora 1193100;1436333424;asciilifeform;did he ? 1193101;1436333432;asciilifeform;link ? 1193102;1436333443;ben_vulpes;players vs. the game. conversation in ars. 1193103;1436333449;asciilifeform;hm 1193104;1436333457;asciilifeform;i suppose he can answer when reads log.. 1193105;1436333465;ben_vulpes;balancing of rewards for being mage/barbarian/etc over time 1193106;1436333492;asciilifeform;essentially you want the entire network to have a 'resonant frequency' 1193107;1436333498;asciilifeform;which can now be your timebase. 1193108;1436333557;asciilifeform;why settle for little quartz crystals 1193109;1436333572;asciilifeform;when you can use a planet-sized resonator. 1193110;1436333573;decimation;that reminds me of schumann resonances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances 1193111;1436333573;assbot;Schumann resonances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIq0aS ) 1193112;1436333588;asciilifeform;decimation: i'm still waiting to read a non-batshit explanation of schumann 1193113;1436333593;asciilifeform;(was also thinking of it earlier today) 1193114;1436333596;decimation;hehe 1193115;1436333613;decimation;it's lightning sprites and earthquakes 1193116;1436333629;decimation;actually I suspect the solar wind buffeting the magnetosphere is a factor 1193117;1436333657;asciilifeform;what i meant was, i'd like to see a rational calculation of why the freq. 1193118;1436333667;asciilifeform;until then, it's voodo 1193119;1436333719;decimation;this crazy czech runs a vaccum-pendulum radio clock http://ok0epb.nagano.cz/index.php?page=Main+page/ 1193120;1436333719;assbot;Main page - OK0EPB - 7 039,4 kHz ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIqgXm ) 1193121;1436333744;asciilifeform;state-of-the-art till the '50s iirc 1193122;1436333897;*;asciilifeform bbl 1193123;1436336479;ag3nt_zer0;!rate trinque 1 very helpful to noob 1193124;1436336479;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c39f0df9608c7058 1193125;1436336551;ag3nt_zer0;!rate shinohai 1 great help to noob 1193126;1436336551;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/49ae2cc4cb75f970 1193127;1436336625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84300 @ 0.00054193 = 45.6847 BTC [-] {4} 1193128;1436337204;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: thanks guy 1193129;1436337218;trinque;ben_vulpes: so pipelinedb turned out to be YC shitware 1193130;1436337226;trinque;http://www.pipelinedb.com/ 1193131;1436337227;assbot;PipelineDB—The Streaming SQL Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjMpkj ) 1193132;1436337265;trinque;all they did can be done with triggers, background workers and materialized views 1193133;1436337275;trinque;and they had the nerve to *RENAME POSTGRESQL TO SOMETHING ELSE* 1193134;1436337409;trinque;meanwhile they did not do the one thing that might've been interesting (that I can see), which would've been to fire pg_notify events when the results of a given view change 1193135;1436338769;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-08/china-trade-halts-hit-2-2-trillion-as-state-intervention-fails 1193136;1436338770;assbot;China Stock Sellers Frozen Out of 71% of Market - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjP4KO ) 1193137;1436339066;punkman;"The eurozone has given Greece until Thursday to present new proposals to secure a deal with creditors, and has called a full EU summit for Sunday." 1193138;1436339692;mircea_popescu;yep, it's the end of the world. 1193139;1436339713;mircea_popescu;after this unwinds 1929 will look like glbse by comparison. 1193140;1436339745;punkman;I'll stock up on Tetris http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27846-tetris-blocks-traumatic-flashbacks-even-after-the-memory-is-fixed.html 1193141;1436339746;assbot;Tetris blocks traumatic flashbacks even after the memory is fixed - health - 06 July 2015 - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjR4mf ) 1193142;1436340013;punkman;lots of greek banks in the balkans, I wonder what's gonna happen with those 1193143;1436340221;punkman;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e2a57c5e809f4da3a46aa7c1ba94bf10/exposed-greek-banks-balkans-brace-trouble 1193144;1436340222;assbot;Exposed to Greek banks, Balkans brace for trouble ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjRY22 ) 1193145;1436340309;mircea_popescu;PatentChina 1 hour ago 1193146;1436340309;mircea_popescu;imagine what will happen if month later no china crash is seen? but USA has advantage that it will never feel shame. one lie does not come true, there is another one. and in the end they can still say china has hacked usa without any evidences. Repeating lies 1000 times, it becomes truth. that is how USA invaded Iraq. 1193147;1436340310;mircea_popescu;lol 1193148;1436340458;mircea_popescu;anyway, hopefully they manage to prop it, because if they do not and people start unwinding us holdings on the grounds of the massive yuan profits to be thus made, that's that. 1193149;1436340611;mircea_popescu;!up ValentinJesse 1193150;1436341299;ag3nt_zer0;"But getting the game into a person's hands immediately after they have been raped, for example, won't always be practical, so the team tested whether it could still work a day later – after the memory had been consolidated and slept on." haha 1193151;1436342678;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1192874 not TRIMmed, praps? 1193152;1436342678;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 04:25:37; mats: and windoze updates on this box still takes hours wtf 1193153;1436346025;cazalla;good logs, good meal, no good wine to go with it but 2/3 ain't bad eh 1193154;1436347849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00055343 = 25.015 BTC [+] {2} 1193155;1436351443;gabriel_laddel;williamdunne: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-06-2015#1153851 1193156;1436351443;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 15:16:44; williamdunne: http://gamingfurry.tumblr.com/ 1193157;1436351744;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193046 << bahahaha 1193158;1436351744;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 05:16:27; ben_vulpes: * williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising << furries, asphyxiation... 1193159;1436356633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40748 @ 0.00055343 = 22.5512 BTC [+] 1193160;1436357885;funkenstein_; i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. <-- there was one called liquidcoin 1193161;1436358061;funkenstein_;the problem of what kind of clock foot soldier P needs depends on exact specification of role foot soldier P needs to play 1193162;1436358155;funkenstein_;a node with no clock could still be a useful one, depending on what you had in mind 1193163;1436358981;punkman;;;view 22382 1193164;1436358983;gribble;#22382 Wed Jul 8 08:30:46 2015 punkman SELL 1.0 night @ 1.3 btc (Seaside villa in Creta, Greece. 4bdr, sleeps 8, a/c, wifi, etc. 3min walk to beach. discounts on certain dates. http://i.imgur.com/DqYiA5O.jpg) 1193165;1436359087;gabriel_laddel;!up diana_coman 1193166;1436359093;kakobrekla;punkman yours? 1193167;1436359155;punkman;kakobrekla: no, but I've been there a few times 1193168;1436359257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8202 @ 0.00055343 = 4.5392 BTC [+] 1193169;1436360519;kakobrekla;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/in-russia-selfie-takes-you-prompts-official-safety-selfie-warning/ 1193170;1436360520;assbot;In Russia, selfie takes you, prompts official “safety selfie” warning | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSgQIW ) 1193171;1436360591;bagels7;Hi, does anyone happen to know the title of that trilema article that explains how women are immature and basically blame men for their shortcomings 1193172;1436360795;bagels7;who needs money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjUJIziMe-4 1193173;1436360796;assbot;Ten Years After - I'd Love To Change The World (lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NShKVE ) 1193174;1436360823;gabriel_laddel;!rated bagels7 1193175;1436360823;assbot;You have not rated bagels7. 1193176;1436360829;gabriel_laddel;!gettrust bagels7 1193177;1436360829;assbot;Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=gabriel_laddel&to=bagels7 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/bagels7/ 1193178;1436364445;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/days-after-hacking-team-breach-nobody-fired-no-customers-lost << mega-l0l 1193179;1436364447;assbot;Days after Hacking Team breach, nobody fired, no customers lost | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1MeFt1k ) 1193180;1436364447;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1193181;1436364491;thestringpuller;cazalla: BingoBoingo http://www.comcastro.com/podcast-virtual-currency-bitcoin-new-world-order-stevie-frederick/ << i did a qntra shoutout there 1193182;1436364513;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193160 << 'Fixed difficulty (0.05) / Block reward reduces 4% every 1000 blocks' (from tardstalk) 1193183;1436364513;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 12:18:05; funkenstein_: i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. <-- there was one called liquidcoin 1193184;1436364538;asciilifeform;and appears to be long-dead... to nobody's great surprise 1193185;1436364555;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193162 << can be very useful as a boat anchor! or balloon ballast. 1193186;1436364555;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 12:22:35; funkenstein_: a node with no clock could still be a useful one, depending on what you had in mind 1193187;1436364713;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: when you can use a planet-sized resonator. << each planet would have a different frequency 1193188;1436364739;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: was not speaking of the chunk of rock per se. see thread. 1193189;1436365289;asciilifeform;'...Greece's creditors refuse to consider declaring all of this bad debt null and voidnot because of anything having to do with Greece, which is small enough to be forgiven much of its bad debt without causing major damage, but because of Spain, Italy and others, which, if similarly forgiven, would blow up the finances of the entire European Union. Thus, it is rather obvious that Greece is being punished to keep other count 1193190;1436365289;asciilifeform;ries in line... Add to this a double-helping of double standards. The IMF won't lend to Greece because it requires some assurance of repayment; but it will continue to lend to the Ukraine, which is in default and collapsing rapidly, without any such assurances because, you see, the decision is a political one. The European Central Bank no longer accepts Greek bonds as collateral because, you see, it considers them to be junk; 1193191;1436365290;asciilifeform;but it will continue to suck in all sorts of other financial garbage and use it to spew forth Euros without comment, keeping other European countries on financial life support simply because they aren't Greece.' 1193192;1436365304;asciilifeform;( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/07/financial-nonsense-overload.html ) 1193193;1436365305;assbot;ClubOrlov: Financial Nonsense Overload ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnSkEf ) 1193194;1436365686;decimation;http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/07/08/report-big-job-cuts-expected-microsoft/29853657/ "Microsoft's deal to acquire Nokia's handset business in 2013 -- one of the last acts of outgoing CEO Steve Ballmer -- has been a "head-scratcher" from the beginning, says FBR Capital Markets analyst Daniel Ives." 1193195;1436365687;assbot;Microsoft cutting up to 7,800 jobs ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnTuzw ) 1193196;1436365954;asciilifeform;decimation: just how many people does the redmond beast need to collect winblowz rent and craft 'bugs' ? 1193197;1436365969;asciilifeform;i doubt they need as many as 700 1193198;1436366063;funkenstein_;masked gunman to clerk: "I'm here to keep you on financial life support" 1193199;1436366082;asciilifeform;!b 1 1193200;1436366083;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/20MK5PF.txt ) 1193201;1436366121;mats;http://www.fpgarelated.com/showarticle/790.php 1193202;1436366122;assbot;Homebrew CPUs: Messing around with a J1 - Victor Yurkovsky ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnUJir ) 1193203;1436366180;asciilifeform;mats: i remember that one - pretty neat! http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html << original www of it 1193204;1436366182;assbot;The J1 Forth CPU — excamera ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnUVOA ) 1193205;1436366516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76353 @ 0.00057177 = 43.6564 BTC [+] {3} 1193206;1436366668;jurov;;;ticker 1193207;1436366669;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 273.09, Best ask: 273.16, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 273.08, 24 hour volume: 28460.65127183, 24 hour low: 263.0, 24 hour high: 274.11, 24 hour vwap: None 1193208;1436367770;decimation;that forth cpu seems similar to that 'picolisp' cpu 1193209;1436367826;mats;o lawd 1193210;1436367833;mats;the end is nigh 1193211;1436368761;funkenstein_;http://pastebin.com/EdtwCsw1 <-- just for fun i made signed 250kb TX sending 11 millies from "cat" spam address to thebitcoin.foundation treasury 1193212;1436368762;assbot;01000000fdb40402806ffd51e0b01cc9254067cd12878c9b5869d7ee30a56843c9e16590fea57b02 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSGH3p ) 1193213;1436368775;funkenstein_;but i was unable to broadcast 1193214;1436369079;danielpbarron;apparently transactions larger than some magic number cannot even get relayed by nodes, and only a miner can forcibly include it in a block 1193215;1436369332;jurov;mircea hit that with bitbet payouts, there's vitriolic trilema piece somewhere 1193216;1436369357;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i was more imagining each planet having it's own blockchain, but I guess that's 1193217;1436369367;jurov;danielpbarron: you tried to feed it to 0.5.3.1 ? 1193218;1436369687;mod6;thestringpuller: if they did, it'd be an altcoin aka; marscoin, uranuscoin etc 1193219;1436369842;thestringpuller;mod6: lol ur-anus-coin 1193220;1436369846;thestringpuller;hue hue 1193221;1436369896;mod6;=] 1193222;1436370270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would they fire anyone ? 1193223;1436370281;mircea_popescu;they're lucky anyone at all wants to work for them as it is. 1193224;1436370482;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193020 << sure, this is a fact. 1193225;1436370482;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 05:09:39; asciilifeform: early cannoneers accepted double-digit chances of being blown up by own barrel 1193226;1436370536;shinohai;heh: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102806720 1193227;1436370541;danielpbarron;jurov> danielpbarron: you tried to feed it to 0.5.3.1 << is it possible? when I type 'bitcoind help' I do not see the "send raw signed transaction" command 1193228;1436370569;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193059 << myeah. 1193229;1436370569;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 05:19:44; asciilifeform: it is not. 1193230;1436370583;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron iirc asciilifeform made a patch 1193231;1436370596;mircea_popescu;o nm that was fpr whole blocks 1193232;1436370604;jurov;maybe i'm mistaken, i thought it was alwas possible to submit tx 1193233;1436370631;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193066 << i would not bet on that. 1193234;1436370631;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 05:21:24; decimation: ionosphere will relay for free, cannot be pwned by usg 1193235;1436370648;mircea_popescu;nah jurov i recall people using their own tools for that throughout 1193236;1436370687;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193079 << miners have no identity. 1193237;1436370687;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 05:24:07; asciilifeform: after the current set gets ddt sprayed on them 1193238;1436370715;mircea_popescu;they are the exact equivalent of materiel. the humvees the usg lost to isis work for isis just as well. 1193239;1436370793;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193083 << this is rank nonsense. to be money it will have to handle time. 1193240;1436370793;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 05:26:05; asciilifeform: i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. 1193241;1436370807;danielpbarron;> bitcoind: Argument list too long << my 0.7.2 node didn't like it 1193242;1436370809;mircea_popescu;what you're saying is basically "i'm more interested in food that doesn't rely on being digested" 1193243;1436371035;danielpbarron;i don't think it's even checking the validity of the tx, and is instead rejecting the hex string as being too long; I can get my 0.5.3 node to give the same error and it doesn't recognize the method 1193244;1436371118;mircea_popescu;lol 0.7 implemented tx manipulation that doesn't work on 1mb sized txn ? 1193245;1436371422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193153 << better than the queen gets. 1193246;1436371422;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 09:00:25; cazalla: good logs, good meal, no good wine to go with it but 2/3 ain't bad eh 1193247;1436371460;jurov;danielpbarron i tried electrum, it parsed tx properly 1193248;1436371472;jurov;but broadcast error: {u'message': u'64: tx-size', u'code': -26} 1193249;1436371617;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193046 << nah, I wasn't the one being asphyxiated, and the marks are not the result of it 1193250;1436371617;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 05:16:27; ben_vulpes: * williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising << furries, asphyxiation... 1193251;1436371697;gabriel_laddel;it's okay, no one here will judge you :p 1193252;1436371746;*;williamdunne pondering on confessing to my skat fetish 1193253;1436371765;gabriel_laddel;;; ud skat 1193254;1436371766;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skat | skat. taking a shit in someones mouth and having them eat it. I love getting a big load of skat in my mouth its so good. by skat eater September 20, 2003. 419 333. 1193255;1436371788;mircea_popescu;o.o 1193256;1436371799;mircea_popescu;;;google scatman 1193257;1436371800;gribble;THE SCATMAN - Scatman John HD1080p - YouTube: ; Scatman (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-bop) Official Video HD -Scatman John ...: ; Scatman John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 1193258;1436372342;williamdunne;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/07/us-usa-crime-childporn-idUSKCN0PH24C20150707 1193259;1436372344;assbot; FBI seized child porn website with 215,000 users: court filing| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJsTYO ) 1193260;1436372344;williamdunne;North 1193261;1436372344;williamdunne;Carolina 1193262;1436372345;williamdunne;Server 1193263;1436372548;gabriel_laddel;what are cat cables and how do I network computers together without a web browser. 1193264;1436372760;williamdunne;You've got to connect the CAT 3 BSD cable into your Universal Parallel Networking port and install the latest ApacheBSD drivers, and then BGP route your HardDrive into the global local network, repeating these steps for each computer on the network. And once this is complete you plug cables into each of your available body holes and pray for IP issuance, prior to jamming each cable into your nearest USB hub 1193265;1436372811;jurov;that reads like eulora recipes 1193266;1436372840;gabriel_laddel;oh, sorry, I should have made it clear I was referring to the child pornography thing 1193267;1436372885;williamdunne;jurov: Well, I'm employable 1193268;1436372964;gernika;mod6 I've attempted syncing on OpenBSD again and am now past block 168000 and have reached 185126. It's going very very slowly though. 1193269;1436372979;gabriel_laddel;!up _biO_ 1193270;1436373043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00057258 = 15.5169 BTC [+] 1193271;1436373110;ben_vulpes;buenos dias 1193272;1436373123;gabriel_laddel;hola 1193273;1436373129;gabriel_laddel;como estas? 1193274;1436373144;ben_vulpes;muy bien 1193275;1436373153;ben_vulpes;¿y tu, comrade? 1193276;1436373201;gabriel_laddel;fenomenal 1193277;1436373215;ben_vulpes;¿de veras? ¿porque? 1193278;1436373227;mircea_popescu;companero ? compadre ? 1193279;1436373248;ben_vulpes;'twas a sovietism 1193280;1436373284;gabriel_laddel;Aterricé un trabajo 1193281;1436373294;gabriel_laddel;writing CL + mcclim 1193282;1436373296;mircea_popescu;the sovietism is tovarash 1193283;1436373296;gabriel_laddel;go me 1193284;1436373307;ben_vulpes;oh fuck you srsly 1193285;1436373314;mircea_popescu;the world is not my fault! 1193286;1436373321;ben_vulpes;not you, gabriel_laddel 1193287;1436373329;mircea_popescu;olol 1193288;1436373365;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: let me tell you of the salt mines of my homeworld... 1193289;1436373369;mod6;<+gernika> mod6 I've attempted syncing on OpenBSD again and am now past block 168000 and have reached 185126. It's going very very slowly though. << good to hear though 1193290;1436373384;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: go on ahead 1193291;1436373388;ben_vulpes;there is a SaaS that handles users for people who for whatever reason don't want to stand up their own services and servers. 1193292;1436373418;ben_vulpes;developers working with this service can alter its behavior by providing it 'node' code that it executes on login/registration events 1193293;1436373429;ben_vulpes;their sandbox provides precisely one map of dummy data. 1193294;1436373446;ben_vulpes;it is not configurable in any way. 1193295;1436373460;ben_vulpes;the suggested way to cram code into their orifices is by pasting it into text fields. 1193296;1436373481;ben_vulpes;one can configure post-commit hooks in git, but their logic importer a) only works with github and b) only works with public repositories. 1193297;1436373492;gabriel_laddel;... 1193298;1436373523;ben_vulpes;now on one hand that this thing doesn't give programmers any handles to alter test data is fine, in that it forces one to either work in a js repl or you know /actually write tests/ 1193299;1436373525;ben_vulpes;otoh 1193300;1436373526;ben_vulpes;braindamage. 1193301;1436373552;ben_vulpes;anyways i don't believe you nobody gets paid to write common lisp lalala i can't hear you 1193302;1436373563;gabriel_laddel;I suggest you don't contemplate the loper device. 1193303;1436373573;gabriel_laddel;it might be a danger to your health 1193304;1436373581;ben_vulpes;you say that as though there were an option. 1193305;1436373907;jurov;i daresay loper machine depends on solved halting problem 1193306;1436373923;mod6;359k+ 1193307;1436373931;gabriel_laddel;jurov: how so? 1193308;1436373939;gabriel_laddel;jurov: the routing can't be that difficult 1193309;1436373954;jurov;it's supposed to predict resources exhaustion at any time so that operator can be alerted 1193310;1436374010;gabriel_laddel;jurov: No it isn't. It just eats all required resources and (maybe) returns. 1193311;1436374012;gabriel_laddel;(I think) 1193312;1436374063;gabriel_laddel;What happens if I (loop while t do ...) on a von n. arch? it just runs forever. Same thing. 1193313;1436374066;gabriel_laddel;Don't do that. 1193314;1436374109;gabriel_laddel;Now, I think the "language constructs" map directly to routing logic, so the AST "unrolls" onto the hardware 1193315;1436374122;gabriel_laddel;but I've not sat down to work it out 1193316;1436374131;williamdunne;Lol 1193317;1436374144;williamdunne;One of the "lizardsquad" guys just got charged with 50,700 offences 1193318;1436374161;jurov;if i learned anything from my haskell stint, it's how computer is utterly bad to manage its memory and other resources 1193319;1436374211;jurov;even if you specify in most precise detail how to do stuff without side effects, you still have to hold its hand in order to not exhaust the memory 1193320;1436374244;mircea_popescu; it's supposed to predict resources exhaustion at any time so that operator can be alerted << in principle machine does not have to proceed before it wants to. 1193321;1436374270;mircea_popescu;i am sure gabriel_laddel proposed "don't do that" won' cut it with alf - but i am also sure a "sometimes warn before" behaviour would be acceptable. 1193322;1436374508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.157 = 1.099 BTC [-] {2} 1193323;1436374606;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1193324;1436374638;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193223 << there are not so many of these. 1193325;1436374638;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 15:44:41; mircea_popescu: they're lucky anyone at all wants to work for them as it is. 1193326;1436374665;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut ? 1193327;1436374684;mircea_popescu;dude get out, they're the website of 2015. every two bit 20something schmuck with two friends and a girlfriend has started one, last year. 1193328;1436374697;ascii_field;places for folks to write malware and get serious clean money for it 1193329;1436374706;mircea_popescu;there is at least one million of them. i have stopped even trying to count past 100k last year. 1193330;1436374712;ascii_field;SERIOUS money 1193331;1436374715;mircea_popescu;get out 1193332;1436374721;mircea_popescu;they never saw even a decent salary. 1193333;1436374721;ascii_field;not 'work 12 hours to make min wage while you sleep' 1193334;1436374736;mircea_popescu;this recently raped one made less than gawker. 1193335;1436374750;ascii_field;cut how many ways ? 1193336;1436374765;ascii_field;(i assume the truth lies somewhere in those 500 GB...) 1193337;1436374792;mircea_popescu;the boys made slightly more than they'd have made working for gawker, on the grounds that they're asocial weirdos. 1193338;1436374795;mircea_popescu;the girls made about the same. 1193339;1436374809;ascii_field;there were girls ?!! 1193340;1436374811;mircea_popescu;we're not talking enough to be middle class here. 1193341;1436374813;mircea_popescu;yes. 1193342;1436374817;ascii_field;where ? 1193343;1436374822;mircea_popescu;guy's gf. 1193344;1436374830;ascii_field;didn't see any obvious ones in the 'git' login config 1193345;1436374839;mircea_popescu;right. 1193346;1436374860;mircea_popescu;someone did the accounting and the sucking sudanese cock you know. 1193347;1436374870;ascii_field;aha 1193348;1436374873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.157 = 1.413 BTC [-] {2} 1193349;1436374891;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193239 << 'handle time' != 'use customary electronic clocks' 1193350;1436374891;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 15:53:13; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193083 << this is rank nonsense. to be money it will have to handle time. 1193351;1436374903;mircea_popescu;granted 1193352;1436374907;mircea_popescu;but you're not taking time out of it. 1193353;1436374912;ascii_field;time is in. 1193354;1436374916;mircea_popescu;aite. 1193355;1436375030;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193275 << compadre 1193356;1436375030;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 16:32:33; ben_vulpes: ¿y tu, comrade? 1193357;1436375033;*;ascii_field buys ben_vulpes dictionary 1193358;1436375050;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is what powers my disinterest in the matter. i saw in logs this pov is divergent with teh republic, so i'll entertain the alternative viewpoint, but just for the sake of records. 1193359;1436375098;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: which ? 1193360;1436375098;scoopbot_revived;The situation of Greece http://trilema.com/2015/the-situation-of-greece/ 1193361;1436375114;mircea_popescu;ascii_field re the "yet another bedroom derpitude" thread just before. 1193362;1436375153;ascii_field;the clocks? 1193363;1436375166;ascii_field;'hackteam' ? 1193364;1436375171;ascii_field;which derpitude ? 1193365;1436375222;ascii_field;jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193305 << if at some point i proposed a thing that requires 'solved halting problem' please say! 1193366;1436375222;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 16:45:07; jurov: i daresay loper machine depends on solved halting problem 1193367;1436375223;mircea_popescu;hackteam 1193368;1436375228;mircea_popescu;o look at teh nyse btw. 1193369;1436375254;ascii_field;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102806720 << lulz 1193370;1436375256;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hh3uAu ) 1193371;1436375272;ascii_field;Run Moar Winblowz!!! 1193372;1436375302;mod6;trades haulted, no suprise there. 1193373;1436375310;mod6;*halted 1193374;1436375322;williamdunne;I wonder if any sysadmins are gonna jump out of some windows 1193375;1436375326;mod6;next, like .cn, selling banned 1193376;1436375338;mircea_popescu;mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1" 1193377;1436375339;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1193378;1436375348;mircea_popescu;and this is somehow ~not a scam~ 1193379;1436375351;mod6;right 1193380;1436375353;mircea_popescu;then they want to "regulate" biutcoin 1193381;1436375358;mircea_popescu;make it more like the fiat ponzi system 1193382;1436375362;mircea_popescu;the gall. 1193383;1436375366;mod6;srsly. 1193384;1436375414;gabriel_laddel;!b 10 1193385;1436375415;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3263M1Y.txt ) 1193386;1436375416;ascii_field;i fully expected this after hearing the cn thing 1193387;1436375422;decimation;they totally know it's not a 'cyber attack' 1193388;1436375424;mircea_popescu;anyway, they had no choice. 1193389;1436375429;mircea_popescu;chinese decided to unwind 1193390;1436375437;ascii_field;raise yer hand if you thought ft meade would leave nyse switched on 1193391;1436375444;mircea_popescu;nah was not possibru. 1193392;1436375479;decimation;ft meade does what wall st wants, not vice versa 1193393;1436375489;mircea_popescu;really a distinction without a difference 1193394;1436375493;davout;so i'm trying to build the stator, getting "headers.h:21:27: fatal error: openssl/ecdsa.h: No such file or directory" 1193395;1436375497;mircea_popescu;does liver do what spleen wants or spleen, liver 1193396;1436375503;williamdunne;Chinese dumping US stocks now, I'm presuming. Need to pump some filthy fiat into their own markets 1193397;1436375506;ascii_field;davout: your openssl did not build 1193398;1436375517;ascii_field;davout: did you have the tarballs in place ? 1193399;1436375518;mircea_popescu;also make sure you build the right one 1193400;1436375525;ascii_field;there is a MANIFEST 1193401;1436375535;davout;i have openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz in distfiles 1193402;1436375538;decimation;check the hashes plus sigs 1193403;1436375541;mircea_popescu;that one yea 1193404;1436375546;davout;(using mod6's build script) 1193405;1436375559;ascii_field;^^^^ ~that~'s why doesn't work 1193406;1436375563;ascii_field;his scripts never worked for me 1193407;1436375564;mod6;you need to use "stator.sh" that comes with the stator tarball 1193408;1436375574;decimation;you probably have the 'realpath' issue 1193409;1436375580;decimation;which is because debian is fucktarded 1193410;1436375580;mod6;this too ^^ 1193411;1436375581;davout;ok, i'll do this, thank yall! 1193412;1436375583;mircea_popescu;a could be 1193413;1436375597;mod6;davout: what os? 1193414;1436375602;davout;gentoo 1193415;1436375612;mircea_popescu;tech support at its best is keeping a list of who's fucktarded. 1193416;1436375612;mod6;yeah, that auto.sh has problems there. 1193417;1436375616;mircea_popescu;sad state of affairs. 1193418;1436375630;ascii_field;davout: for now, skip the auto.sh and use my scripts 1193419;1436375634;ascii_field;very short and simple to grasp 1193420;1436375645;ascii_field;and pretty much guaranteed to work on gentoo 1193421;1436375652;decimation;just be sure to check the distfile hashes 1193422;1436375657;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzevzzvPKk1rovqsto1_500.gif 1193423;1436375658;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoVT6S ) 1193424;1436375658;decimation;don't grab the wrong ones 1193425;1436375659;ascii_field;aha. this is not automated in mine 1193426;1436375667;davout;ok 1193427;1436375681;davout;where's the stator tarball? 1193428;1436375682;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: brilliant. ought to be installed in every american gym 1193429;1436375692;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: For some reason she looks like a giant 1193430;1436375716;mod6;davout: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html 1193431;1436375717;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CoW4z5 ) 1193432;1436375718;mircea_popescu;low camera williamdunne 1193433;1436375742;*;williamdunne was a terrible art student 1193434;1436375749;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: you're right 1193435;1436375793;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: let's have the finale of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193367 ? 1193436;1436375793;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 17:07:03; mircea_popescu: hackteam 1193437;1436375806;mircea_popescu;generally the difference between advertising set and porn set is that porn set cameras all set crotch height 1193438;1436375820;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what's more to say ? 1193439;1436375823;mod6;grab those, verify, unpack; beware that you need to drop openssl/bdb/boost in distfiles by hand. and ascii_field's script doesn't want boost.tar.gz, wants boost.tar.bz 1193440;1436375827;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: no, it isn't 'greatest leak ever' - but certainly the most complete gutting of a usg contractor in history 1193441;1436375831;mod6;follow this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/stator-buildlog-wDumpBlockAndEatBlockApplied.txt 1193442;1436375833;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYJMZi ) 1193443;1436375833;ascii_field;everything but the ashtray 1193444;1436375836;mircea_popescu;no argument. 1193445;1436375853;mircea_popescu;you will notice it is not actually a usg contractor. it's a sudanese contractor. 1193446;1436375870;williamdunne;These "decentralize all the things" fuckwads are really pissing me off re: NYSE 1193447;1436375882;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: usg was a major client 1193448;1436375887;mircea_popescu;the difference between this and an "etsy shop" is color scheme. 1193449;1436375898;ascii_field;and of course it was the крыша 1193450;1436375899;mircea_popescu;i dunno, seems more like it was a major alleged client. 1193451;1436375910;ascii_field;picture what would happen if ~i~ tried to open a 'hackteam' 1193452;1436375916;mircea_popescu;dunno how much you know about how teenaged girls suck cock these days 1193453;1436375925;mircea_popescu;but the way it goes, they pretend to be selling to X so Y may buy 1193454;1436375929;ascii_field;about as much as i know of penguins 1193455;1436375933;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nobody would even notice. 1193456;1436375935;mircea_popescu;it's all in your head. 1193457;1436375946;mircea_popescu;i bet half of your coworkers are "secretly" part of one. 1193458;1436375953;mircea_popescu;it truely is the band of 2015. 1193459;1436375967;ascii_field;l0l 1193460;1436375985;mircea_popescu;i kid you not. but i do not expect anyone to take this on faith. 1193461;1436375990;ascii_field;fact is, monetizing virii requires a крыша 1193462;1436376004;mircea_popescu;dude... 1193463;1436376009;ascii_field;no srsly 1193464;1436376018;ascii_field;unlike penguin and gurlz, i know this from direct observation 1193465;1436376023;mircea_popescu;are you even from this planet at ALL ? do you know how much can be passed off as work before even as much as touching a tool ? 1193466;1436376033;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Some are pretty enthusiastic about it 1193467;1436376040;mircea_popescu;yes, playing in a band requires a guitar. 1193468;1436376043;mircea_popescu;so ? got any sticks ? 1193469;1436376050;ascii_field;music with no ears. 1193470;1436376067;mircea_popescu;every kid in a barage gand in 1955 had ear ? 1193471;1436376072;mircea_popescu;what ear. they're americans. 1193472;1436376073;ascii_field;anybody can write turdware, yes 1193473;1436376085;ascii_field;i am speaking of ~money~ 1193474;1436376094;mircea_popescu;also all in your head. 1193475;1436376110;williamdunne;https://twitter.com/cgledhill/status/618830161144901632 1193476;1436376112;williamdunne;People must care because SJWs signed a petition, wao 1193477;1436376112;mircea_popescu;these particular kids would have made more scamming in eve 1193478;1436376113;mircea_popescu;but hey. 1193479;1436376117;williamdunne;#1 fintech influencer supposedly 1193480;1436376150;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: from what i can tell, the 'hackteam' folks were paid hundreds of thousands of euros to do things that i consider a weekend's work 1193481;1436376155;ascii_field;this is called 'crown concession' 1193482;1436376182;mircea_popescu;start one then. 1193483;1436376187;ascii_field;l0l 1193484;1436376190;mircea_popescu;all you need is the girlie to suck sudan cock. 1193485;1436376194;mircea_popescu;ask on craigslist 1193486;1436376222;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2015#1002367 1193487;1436376222;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2015 07:04:28; asciilifeform: dude really, it is very easy to fly. just bend your arms into an effective lift surface, right angle of attack, and fart really hard. 1193488;1436376237;mircea_popescu;ask.on.craigslist. 1193489;1436376269;*;ascii_field utterly fails to grasp what mircea_popescu is speaking of 1193490;1436376279;mircea_popescu;say "Very gifted reverse engineer, looking for outgoing, persuasive, experienced slut to start hackteam together. You'll have to suck bureaucrat cock to get us contracts, I'll fill them, we split the loot." 1193491;1436376305;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: guess where i'm posting from 1193492;1436376312;ascii_field;it doesn't work unless you have access to the right cock 1193493;1436376316;mircea_popescu;the congress library 1193494;1436376318;ascii_field;and we - thus far - don't. 1193495;1436376322;mircea_popescu;eh get outta here. 1193496;1436376326;ascii_field;srsly 1193497;1436376330;mircea_popescu;that's HER job. 1193498;1436376348;ascii_field;despite, for instance, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1175261 1193499;1436376348;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 03:01:25; asciilifeform: i built it. 1193500;1436376352;mircea_popescu;pack her off to whatever, sierra leone 1193501;1436376359;ascii_field;we don't have any gurlz though 1193502;1436376374;mircea_popescu;sucks to be us. 1193503;1436376375;thestringpuller;i think the network just forked again 1193504;1436376391;ascii_field;thing i'm beginning to suspect is that nobody gives half a shit about reversing, or 'security', or any of it 1193505;1436376395;ascii_field;but only launders usg money 1193506;1436376401;ascii_field;with pre-selected butt buddies 1193507;1436376407;gabriel_laddel;^ 1193508;1436376430;mircea_popescu;the first part is right. 1193509;1436376436;ascii_field;ph0rk! 1193510;1436376441;mircea_popescu;mmyeah. 1193511;1436376463;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1193512;1436376564;mircea_popescu;and ima go play eulora in celebration. 1193513;1436377285;ascii_field;unph0rk3d ? 1193514;1436377300;ascii_field;aaaand https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000024d5e8b9010d61d93550bfd022a5d8f613f7daa620456f8 l0l 1193515;1436377301;assbot;Bitcoin Block #364437 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cp22jF ) 1193516;1436377302;williamdunne;It's okay guyz, NYSE is turning itself off and on again 1193517;1436377349;jurov;nyse mining bitcoins? 1193518;1436377646;williamdunne;Yeah, they've got some celerons on the job 1193519;1436378335;gabriel_laddel;!up ascii_field 1193520;1436378335;gabriel_laddel;http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/ 1193521;1436378335;assbot;Project IceStorm ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKXug8 ) 1193522;1436378360;gabriel_laddel;^ some people reverse engineered an fpga's bitstream format 1193523;1436378372;gabriel_laddel;*a fpga... 1193524;1436378396;ascii_field;'We have enough bits mapped that we can create a functional verilog model for almost all bitstreams generated by Lattice iCEcube2 for the iCE40 HX1K-TQ144, as long as no block memories or PLLs are used. ' << wake me up when that last part changes. and when i can get this chip from ten different chinese foundries. 1193525;1436378406;ascii_field;this all happened before, with xilinx 1193526;1436378409;ascii_field;and we know how it ends. 1193527;1436378486;ascii_field;'Next on the TODO list: PLLs, Timing Analysis...' << ahahahahahaha 1193528;1436378510;ascii_field;try synthesizing ~anything~ of any serious complexity without exact timing data for ~every piece of shit on the die~ 1193529;1436378546;ascii_field;i gotta take my hat off to these folks for sheer effort, but the fact remains that they are scooping out the sea with the proverbial thimble. 1193530;1436378746;gabriel_laddel;To any "hackers" reading the logs - rather than going after hackteam, try xilinx, lattice semiconductor next time? 1193531;1436378752;ascii_field;('how it ends,' for the uninitiated, is that some time around when these fine folks are about half done, the chip will go out of print. and be replaced by an entirely incompatible one.) 1193532;1436378768;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: this doesn't help either. no one can force them to keep making the 'doxxed' chip. 1193533;1436378812;ascii_field;a 'doxxed' fpga is entirely useless if you can't get it! 1193534;1436378829;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: imho this is going to be a slow process of ad-hoc reverse engineering of a design, finding chiacom manufactures... 1193535;1436378829;ascii_field;it is, after all, a physical object. 1193536;1436378837;gabriel_laddel;someone needs to carry the water. 1193537;1436378841;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: there is no mass market for these. 1193538;1436378845;ascii_field;we had this thread before. 1193539;1436378854;gabriel_laddel;!s bribery 1193540;1436378855;assbot;9 results for 'bribery' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bribery 1193541;1436378874;ascii_field;not bribery as such, just that you'd have to pay the fab up front, cash on the barrel 1193542;1436378877;ascii_field;to have any made. 1193543;1436378918;ascii_field;not a bribe, but straightforward commerce 1193544;1436378997;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: another detail that must be understood is that reversing for the purpose of programming is a very different animal from reversing for the purpose of rebuilding. 1193545;1436379017;ascii_field;in the case of the latter, it is necessary to have a ~complete~ picture of the vital organs 1193546;1436379031;ascii_field;including aspects that a programmer doesn't give a flying fuck about, like chemistry 1193547;1436379050;ascii_field;and in-circuit testing 1193548;1436379249;gabriel_laddel;Unrelated: Uncle Al's disqus profile. It is a treat. https://disqus.com/by/Xemist/ 1193549;1436379250;assbot;Disqus Profile - Xemist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cp6BdM ) 1193550;1436379282;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: good to see that he's still kicking, somewhere 1193551;1436379316;gabriel_laddel;Orange County iirc? 1193552;1436379362;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: i suspected he might have 'went perelman' 1193553;1436379366;williamdunne;gabriel_laddel: About 12 months ago I was tasked with checking the security of a fiat institution. Within three hours I had found two different bugs to send money from accounts that weren't mine, and two different bugs to view all account details that weren't mine, and another to see all transaction details that weren't mine. 1193554;1436379395;gabriel_laddel;williamdunne: ! 1193555;1436379449;williamdunne;IKR, the operator was a friend of mine, but he was very concerned when I sent him the details for a large transaction from themselves to a law firm they employ 1193556;1436379486;gabriel_laddel;Speaking of Uncle Al - not only did the 'gentlemen' at the eot wash group modify their URL scheme so that his links appear "dead", but Stanford has also moved the single link in qz4.html 1193557;1436379488;ascii_field;williamdunne: and that was when he put out your eyes and cut out your tongue ? 1193558;1436379503;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: big fat surprise 1193559;1436379505;gabriel_laddel;lol check this out 1193560;1436379506;gabriel_laddel;http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/sites/www.npl.washington.edu.eotwash/files/webfiles/publications/pdfs/lowfrontier2.pdf 1193561;1436379510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cp7fb7 ) 1193562;1436379511;williamdunne;ascii_field: not quite, although I do regret agreeing to do it pro-bono 1193563;1436379512;gabriel_laddel;^ new url scheme vs. 1193564;1436379519;gabriel_laddel;http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/publications/pdf/lowfrontier2.pdf 1193565;1436379520;assbot;Page not found | The Eöt-Wash Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cp7hj7 ) 1193566;1436379634;gabriel_laddel;williamdunne: so you're the guy who makes the spice flow? 1193567;1436379644;gabriel_laddel;what exactly do you do? 1193568;1436379676;williamdunne;Hard to pin that one down 1193569;1436379692;gabriel_laddel;doya have a cv or the like? 1193570;1436379712;ascii_field;https://disqus.com/home/discussion/neuroskeptic/the_strange_world_of_8220reward_deficiency_syndrome8221_part_2/#comment-2118094177 1193571;1436379713;assbot;Disqus - The Strange World of “Reward Deficiency Syndrome” (Part 2) ... ( http://bit.ly/1TlSFWh ) 1193572;1436379714;ascii_field;many lulz 1193573;1436379739;ascii_field;'Be homicidally depressed and aim at the top. That is like voting, except the count is honest and meaningful.' 1193574;1436379743;gabriel_laddel;ahahaha 1193575;1436379757;williamdunne;I've never received a job by anything but reference. First job when I was 14 was a game programmer, second job when 15 was working at a military intelligence company in London doing some infosec and accounting type stuff. Lots of freelancing stuff 1193576;1436379771;williamdunne;Security, programming, pretty much anything with a keyboard 1193577;1436379852;williamdunne;Recently did some stuff for the BitFinex guys, that wasn't much fun but y'know. Pays for stuff. Think I'll have more with them in future 1193578;1436380186;gabriel_laddel;!up ascii_field 1193579;1436380217;gabriel_laddel;!up NewLiberty 1193580;1436380344;williamdunne;What happened to that German socialist girl, she ever come back to continue her derping? 1193581;1436381080;ascii_field;http://polymatharchives.blogspot.in/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html << l0ltr0n1c 1193582;1436381080;assbot;The Polymath Archives: The Inappropriately Excluded ... ( http://bit.ly/1TlVir1 ) 1193583;1436381392;gabriel_laddel;"The antidote to national social and financial collapse is war. War clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of social and economic realities. It rewards the creative, productive, and effective. It reduces redundant populations. North Korea, India, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia (paid for Paki research, repaid by Paki nukes) stare down some 1000 exceptionally well-crafted and deliverable Israeli thermonukes. 1193584;1436381392;gabriel_laddel;Fukishima effluent on California's coast chews up the food chain to seals. 39 million person California, tremendously government subsidized, is collapsed. Its unsecured debt is the Saudi GNP while its $45 billion/year agriculture Central Valley has returned to desert, unemploying a million Mexican slaves with nowhere to go. Let's run the Battle of the Somme again, and soon. The jet stream dips south in autumn." (fr 1193585;1436381392;gabriel_laddel;om Uncle Al) 1193586;1436381623;trinque;war doesn't really reduce redundant population 1193587;1436381637;trinque;bounces right back after the war, if there's a dip at all 1193588;1436381898;mats;uh 1193589;1436382131;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1193590;1436382151;ascii_field;'If you want to end ISIS, teach it game theory and casebooks. "They['ll] get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do," and lose.' (from the al schwartz link earlier) 1193591;1436382249;trinque;mats: I am not finding a good graph of the russian population per year, yet I recall ww2 being a temporary blip downward that was rapidly recovered 1193592;1436382257;trinque;and they sustained huge casualties 1193593;1436382626;mats;the specific claim being made is 'redundant populations' 1193594;1436382650;mats;how do we evaluate this claim 1193595;1436382793;trinque;there'd have to be some correlation between an indicator of this redundancy before the war and which soldiers died 1193596;1436382857;trinque;"unskilled laborers died more often than ..." << maybe something like that 1193597;1436383030;ascii_field;'12 years public school, 4 years undergrad, 6 years PhD, 4 years post-doc. You are now over 30, deeply in debt, and starting life. Your idiot high school classmate who held a STOP sign at a construction site has been pulling $80K/year, has a fine home, wife, three kids, and a motor boat. His eldest son rakes in $850K/year tax-free facilitating recreational pharmaceuticals and an escort service.' << schwartz 1193598;1436383118;trinque;mats: but then even if the stupid tend to die more often, it could still be so that the stupid back home fuck enough to replenish stocks 1193599;1436383248;mats;ain't social science great 1193600;1436383279;ascii_field;trinque: intelligence doesn't breed true. (stupidity, however, does. this confuses folks) 1193601;1436383597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00057258 = 8.5314 BTC [+] 1193602;1436383814;trinque;ascii_field: I don't follow 1193603;1436383837;trinque;ah that intelligence is not necessarily passed down genetically? 1193604;1436383851;trinque;definitely not 1193605;1436383975;trinque;!up ascii_field 1193606;1436384028;ascii_field;trinque: also most folks who idly ponder the subject end up conflating several distinct things under 'intelligence' 1193607;1436384069;ascii_field;far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism' 1193608;1436384092;ascii_field;which is the thing without which arbitrarily strong 'intelligence' ends up a chinese exam taker 1193609;1436384121;ascii_field;interestingly, old norse, even, had a very specific word for this trait 1193610;1436384167;*;ascii_field does not have the link with him. if anyone recalls the answer, do chime in 1193611;1436384188;trinque;old norse probably had an honorable term for the thing 1193612;1436384267;trinque;ascii_field: something like the combination of dominance and being a social supernode? 1193613;1436384273;ascii_field;no. 1193614;1436384290;ascii_field;mircea_popescu chronically links the two, but they are entirely independent 1193615;1436384302;ascii_field;one can have one coming out of ears and arse, and lack the other entirely 1193616;1436384400;ascii_field;specifically, you can have arbitrarily high 'psychoticism' in the sense of being perelman and no 'dominance' or 'social supernode' to speak of. 1193617;1436384604;trinque;ascii_field: then is it a measure of the willingness to fight other people? 1193618;1436384611;ascii_field;again no 1193619;1436384637;ascii_field;if you must reduce it to a soundbite - it is just a measure of the quality of the rng in your head 1193620;1436384652;ascii_field;nothing to do with relating to other people. 1193621;1436384666;trinque;ascii_field: I am promting you to define the term instead of merely restating it 1193622;1436384675;trinque;I do not follow that definition either 1193623;1436384713;ascii_field;trinque: i am certain that, just like everyone else here, you have met both kinds of 'intelligence' 1193624;1436384726;ascii_field;i.e. 'champion at exams' vs the other kind. 1193625;1436384760;trinque;sure, and the former is deeply embedded in a group concept of what he ought to be doing 1193626;1436384765;trinque;and the latter has his own idea 1193627;1436384767;ascii_field;what makes the exam champ the waste of oxygen that he is ? 1193628;1436384868;trinque;general obedience is what I see 1193629;1436384874;jurov;!up jborkl 1193630;1436384962;trinque;ascii_field: by good RNG do you mean that they are capable of novel thoughts? 1193631;1436384991;trinque;rather, that they have a greater capacity for ... 1193632;1436385015;jborkl;The way it has been before, not all nodes have the same amount of txns in mempool - I never got enough of a explanation to discuss it 1193633;1436385045;jborkl;mine has 32000 currently and blockchain has 21000 1193634;1436385048;ascii_field;trinque: capable+inclined 1193635;1436385059;trinque;then yes, I see your point 1193636;1436385106;ascii_field;the 'capable' part is definitely key. who hasn't met his fair share of hack writers, for instance, poor schmucks grasping desperately for one singe original idea? and never finding it 1193637;1436385108;jurov;jborkl: maybe different antispam rules 1193638;1436385184;trinque;ascii_field: haha, my former bosses for instance 1193639;1436385188;jborkl;possible, there are a ton of waiting txns either way and the spike has been recently 1193640;1436385226;jborkl;although I have just been watching from the sideline for a long time (not active) 1193641;1436385292;trinque;ascii_field: it would make a great deal of sense to me if there were a connection between this kind of intelligence and personality traits which cause him to have a much lower default level of regard for any particular human off the street. 1193642;1436385354;trinque;if he in fact has the capability, then the empathy which might cause him to accept someone else's perspective instead would only be a hindrance 1193643;1436385425;trinque;and if he doesn't, you get http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/norton.html 1193644;1436385426;assbot;Norton I, Emperor of the UnitedStates ... ( http://bit.ly/1eGKHYw ) 1193645;1436385437;ascii_field;trinque: bad example. norton was popular. 1193646;1436385458;ascii_field;a true social butterfly, even. 1193647;1436385466;trinque;hah oh, my mistake 1193648;1436385489;trinque;maybe someone that secretly collects human skin furniture then 1193649;1436385503;ascii_field;do you collect dead ants ? 1193650;1436385567;ascii_field;or kill ants for sport ? 1193651;1436385568;*;trinque can see he will never earn the honorific "the Terrible" 1193652;1436385608;ascii_field;true Not Giving A Fuck doesn't have a plus or minus sign. it's just a big fat zero. 1193653;1436385630;trinque;ah 1193654;1436385691;decimation;re: stupid breeding true < I thought 'reversion to the population mean' was the general outcome 1193655;1436385698;ascii_field;aha 1193656;1436385710;ascii_field;and stupidity is perfectly normal 1193657;1436385733;decimation;I suppose tragically stupid parents are likely to have slightly smarter children 1193658;1436385737;decimation;but not many worry about that case 1193659;1436385743;ascii_field;not speaking here of extreme deformities 1193660;1436385747;ascii_field;extra chromosomes, etc 1193661;1436385751;decimation;right 1193662;1436385752;ascii_field;just the factory-standard mind 1193663;1436385769;decimation;but two iq 90 parents are likely to have children that score a little closer to 100 1193664;1436385773;decimation;(for whites in the us) 1193665;1436385796;decimation;who would be lost in the unwashed 1st std deviation anyway 1193666;1436385823;lobbes;!up ascii_field 1193667;1436385918;danielpbarron;;;later tell mjr_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791843 << you can now 1193668;1436385918;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2014 00:44:36; mjr_: by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin? 1193669;1436385919;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1193670;1436386102;decimation;re: political time < it occurred to me that the far more obvious way of synchronizing a clock is to simply take note of the sunrise and/or sunset 1193671;1436386132;decimation;in fact, someone who depises 'astronomical time' in favor of cesium time is also fully in favor of 'usg time' 1193672;1436386134;ascii_field;decimation: and if it rains ? 1193673;1436386142;decimation;wait till tomorrow 1193674;1436386144;ascii_field;and if you are in submarine ? 1193675;1436386146;ascii_field;can't wait 1193676;1436386157;ascii_field;you're running a node. 1193677;1436386158;ascii_field;in real time 1193678;1436386161;decimation;actually it would be neat to build a nutrino detector 1193679;1436386169;decimation;in your submarine 1193680;1436386179;ascii_field;afaik there is no useful timing info in solar neutrono flows 1193681;1436386184;ascii_field;*neutrino flow 1193682;1436386205;decimation;you might be able to determine the angle of the sun w.r.t. the earth's surface 1193683;1436386235;ascii_field;and, considering the famous formula ('50/50 interactions when passing through light-year of lead') portable detector is a questionable affair 1193684;1436386257;decimation;sure but you got water everywhere 1193685;1436386263;decimation;although biologics would probably jam your signal 1193686;1436386271;ascii_field;aha 1193687;1436386281;ascii_field;examine the construction of a neutrino observatory. 1193688;1436386306;ascii_field;(typically, abandoned mine filled with salt water and thousands of photomultiplier tubes on the walls, each the size of a man's torso) 1193689;1436386314;decimation;indeed. 1193690;1436386398;ascii_field;anyway, since this thread came back to life, i will point out that mircea_popescu is right re: the notion of time being necessary for a bitcoin net. but it doesn't have to come from a clock as traditionally understood 1193691;1436386458;ascii_field;it just has to be a reasonably-periodic signal that all nodes can see, whose period is not affected by the aggregate hash rate, nor can be manipulated at reasonable expense by gnomes 1193692;1436386510;decimation;perhaps the pogo should come with a sunlight detector 1193693;1436386541;ascii_field;natural phenomena don't fit the bill 1193694;1436386559;ascii_field;not only because they are not reliably detectable (rain, clouds, being in a submarine) 1193695;1436386568;ascii_field;but because can be faked in various 'good enough' ways 1193696;1436386623;ascii_field;and, on the other end, require specialized hardware 1193697;1436386695;decimation;if usg can spam uv over a large area for hours, then you probably have bigger problems than money 1193698;1436386721;ascii_field;decimation: thinking more of hacks like rf detection of sunspot cycle 1193699;1436386726;ascii_field;or schumann's resonance, etc 1193700;1436386762;decimation;yeah. ultimately a thinking person can observe sunrise, sunset, set own clock (calendar might be another matter) 1193701;1436386790;decimation;of course 'set clock' algorithm needs your lat/lon 1193702;1436386820;lobbes;plus, then you are back to 'who sets the clocks' problem 1193703;1436386827;ascii_field;aha 1193704;1436386828;decimation;the sun does. 1193705;1436386841;ascii_field;and what of when you cannot see the sunrise ? 1193706;1436386853;decimation;then you ought to have made preparations 1193707;1436386865;ascii_field;such as ? 1193708;1436386876;decimation;if you have a submarine, you probably ought to have high quality timekeeping equipment 1193709;1436386890;ascii_field;so we're back to clock, then 1193710;1436386901;ascii_field;we already know how to meet and set clocks, last i checked 1193711;1436386915;decimation;you could even use a sundial 1193712;1436386924;ascii_field;on submarine. 1193713;1436386941;decimation;submarine needs clock, yes. 1193714;1436386949;ascii_field;let's try to define the basic puzzle here 1193715;1436386986;ascii_field;two (at minimum) geographically separated people, with enemies in between, wish to agree re: how much time has passed since they last spoke, 2016 blocks ago. 1193716;1436387015;decimation;they don't own clocks and can't see the sunrise and don't know where they are too? 1193717;1436387033;ascii_field;let's suppose they traded pgp keys and can communicate securely. however, they cannot prevent the enemy from delaying messages 1193718;1436387040;ascii_field;or sometimes 'losing' them entirely 1193719;1436387045;decimation;sure. 1193720;1436387074;ascii_field;say they own very poor clocks, which drift by a second - or more - per minute. 1193721;1436387092;decimation;heh ok 1193722;1436387098;ascii_field;(pogo...) 1193723;1436387107;decimation;it's not quite that bad 1193724;1436387112;decimation;but not great, granted 1193725;1436387114;ascii_field;for the sake of argument. 1193726;1436387115;ascii_field;aha 1193727;1436387165;ascii_field;and now compound the problem by supposing that it is not you and your best friend, but you and a network consisting, to an unknown degree, of devils 1193728;1436387230;decimation;devils who reluctantly serve up blocksl 1193729;1436387249;ascii_field;devils who do whatever it takes to camouflage as men 1193730;1436387259;ascii_field;while dishing out max damage 1193731;1436387318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92665 @ 0.00057468 = 53.2527 BTC [+] {4} 1193732;1436387512;funkenstein_;consider a node that passes on valid TXs, checks new blocks for proper work and passes them on. it ignores timestamps and lets miners say what current difficulty is. useless or not? 1193733;1436387541;ascii_field;vulnerable to rewinds. 1193734;1436387549;ascii_field;and to other induced forkage. 1193735;1436387584;ascii_field;(will accept blocks that are not, by the traditional bitcoin rules, valid. and predicate acceptance of future blocks on these turds - which is what 'accept a block' means) 1193736;1436387585;ben_vulpes;what is a rewind attack? 1193737;1436387592;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: being fed an alternate past 1193738;1436387602;ascii_field;typically from when mining was considerably 'easier' 1193739;1436387607;ascii_field;but not necessarily 1193740;1436387610;ascii_field;(can be recent past) 1193741;1436387628;ben_vulpes;i'm sure you've gone into this in depth, but doesn't the length of the current main chain make that ludicrously expensive? 1193742;1436387656;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: why would it ? 1193743;1436387672;ascii_field;certain variants of the attack are prohibitively costly, yes 1193744;1436387674;ascii_field;others - no 1193745;1436387689;ben_vulpes;which variants are cheap? 1193746;1436387695;funkenstein_;!up ascii_field 1193747;1436387726;ben_vulpes;aha the one where you simply hold difficulty constant and mine a long-ass chain. 1193748;1436387734;ascii_field;aha 1193749;1436387749;funkenstein_;the chain with the most work demonstrated wins 1193750;1436387749;ascii_field;or feeding a whole alternate universe to a virginal (has nothing but genesis) node 1193751;1436387758;decimation;I donno, it strikes me that having a sundial and knowing how to use it (convert to universal time) is a pretty cheap counter 1193752;1436387767;ascii_field;which yes, you can defend against with crude kludges like storing sums, but this is 'enumerated badness' 1193753;1436387777;ben_vulpes;decimation: but then people would have to touch it !!111twelve1 1193754;1436387778;ascii_field;decimation: now you have a human slave in the loop 1193755;1436387787;ascii_field;straight to 'slavecoin' 1193756;1436387791;ascii_field;don't even need a computer. 1193757;1436387800;decimation;yeah, slave tells you time of day 1193758;1436387808;ascii_field;and hashes with goose feather pen 1193759;1436387814;ascii_field;as described in mircea_popescu's tale 1193760;1436387834;decimation;well, if slave tells you time of day, the class of attacks you describe become much more difficult 1193761;1436387855;ascii_field;except that the attacks now include having one's throat cut at night, aha 1193762;1436387891;ascii_field;at any rate, we don't actually know how to do 'proof of work' thing using meat. 1193763;1436387902;ascii_field;if we did, 'hawala' would have used it 2000 y ago. 1193764;1436387926;decimation;yes, true. 1193765;1436387945;ascii_field;in my mind, that's sorta the whole point of bitcoin. 1193766;1436387950;ben_vulpes;(unrelatedly: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/opinion/15pubed.html?_r=1) 1193767;1436387952;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1BLmt ) 1193768;1436387968;ben_vulpes;(on the use of "torture" in the nyt) 1193769;1436388022;decimation;why does the fact that your throat can be cut invalidate proof of work? 1193770;1436388041;ascii_field;it doesn't 1193771;1436388044;ascii_field;separate problems. 1193772;1436388053;shinohai;I should say having one's throat cut invalidates a lot of things. 1193773;1436388061;decimation;not for me 1193774;1436388073;decimation;(your throat i mean) 1193775;1436388093;ascii_field;the unfortunate thing is that the 'easy to verify, hard to produce' thing very much requires machines. 1193776;1436388102;decimation;at any rate, I fully admit that bitcoin requires slaves to feed computers the right data and configure them 1193777;1436388165;*;decimation wonders if skynet will need an 'economy' or will just directly solve the 'need things/have things' trade matrix 1193778;1436388165;bagels7;i'll be your slave for a million dollars on a 5 year basis 1193779;1436388167;ascii_field;decimation: do you know the story of how the concept of 'space station' came about? 1193780;1436388180;decimation;not precisely no 1193781;1436388205;ascii_field;well, afaik the 'precise' is not publicly known. but the ancient rumour that was taught to me was that it was a usg military propaganda trick 1193782;1436388213;ascii_field;see, somebody's gotta change the vacuum tubes 1193783;1436388218;ascii_field;in spy satellites. 1193784;1436388235;ascii_field;except when they don't. then, suddenly, much less talk of space stations 1193785;1436388270;decimation;yeah, that's true I think. the soviets believed it anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz 1193786;1436388271;assbot;Almaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlbOKo ) 1193787;1436388317;decimation;su actually built 'manned spy satellites' - became 'civilian peace stations' in the 80's 1193788;1436388322;ascii_field;aha. 1193789;1436388346;ascii_field;just as usg turned their orbital nuke dropper into 'space shuttle' 1193790;1436388355;decimation;but I do see your point, if we can make the hardware 'reliable' 1193791;1436388374;ascii_field;a pogo, as i envision it, has much in common with a comm satellite 1193792;1436388431;shinohai;Is there a history of the pogo somewhere? 1193793;1436388445;ascii_field;shinohai: of the pogo as it comes from the vendor ? 1193794;1436388449;ascii_field;or of our particular dealings with it 1193795;1436388470;shinohai;Of your particular dealings. How the idea of using it came about. 1193796;1436388480;shinohai;I was just curious. 1193797;1436388506;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184297 1193798;1436388506;assbot;Logged on 02-07-2015 17:52:19; ascii_field: shinohai: it all started with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988286 1193799;1436388548;ascii_field;mircea_popescu posed the question of what is the cheapest mass-produced piece of equipment that could be pressed into service to run therealbitcoin. 1193800;1436388556;ascii_field;the answer turned out to be pogo. 1193801;1436388560;ascii_field;by a factor of 6 or so. 1193802;1436388576;ascii_field;mainly because it is (or rather was) sold far below cost by the manufacturer 1193803;1436388584;ascii_field;who was pushing a weirdo 'cloud subscription' thing with it 1193804;1436388632;shinohai;I am fascinated by how mircea_popescu envisioned that. I tried for well over a year to figure out how to busybox it. 1193805;1436388636;shinohai;And failed. 1193806;1436388641;ascii_field;shinohai: he didn't 1193807;1436388649;ascii_field;just asked the question. 1193808;1436388656;ascii_field;i answered it, experimentally 1193809;1436388669;ascii_field;ported netbsd to the thing, too 1193810;1436388674;ascii_field;which turned out to be a waste of time 1193811;1436388686;ascii_field;(certain necessaries did not work correctly) 1193812;1436388792;shinohai;I was hoping my pogo would arrive today, but postman has already come. :/ 1193813;1436388965;ascii_field;shinohai: most of what i've done re: therealbitcoin so far revolves around getting memory footprint under control 1193814;1436388978;ascii_field;shinohai: pogo has 128M of ram, soldered on. 1193815;1436389026;shinohai;And it is fantastic work, imho. My shell provider doesn't bitch at me about bandwidth anymore either. 1193816;1436389033;ascii_field;um 1193817;1436389038;williamdunne;Wait, people are successful at running bitcoin on summin with 128m of ram? 1193818;1436389040;williamdunne;Wao 1193819;1436389044;ascii_field;everything i did only ~increases~ bandwidth consumption 1193820;1436389054;ascii_field;williamdunne: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html 1193821;1436389054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rld7c9 ) 1193822;1436389075;ascii_field;williamdunne: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/rss_d1746f76523316edcdc82326213f8953bf6f0d09.png 1193823;1436389076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RldaVB ) 1193824;1436389087;shinohai;For some reason mine has dropped, but probably because I'm not connecting to a bzillion nodes 1193825;1436389106;ascii_field;(this was a node, i must remind the reader, with no mempool, on account of having no net connection and being fed blocks 'intravenously' if you will) 1193826;1436389124;ascii_field;vertical axis is in kB 1193827;1436389183;ascii_field;the thing here, as discussed in the past, is that 300 bytes (block header and overhead) are kept in ram at all times per ~known block~ 1193828;1436389211;ascii_field;now if the node is 'live' and has net connection, hears tx, suffers possible fragging (see old threads) - then even more consumption. 1193829;1436389221;ascii_field;but what you see in that graph is the only 'leak' in the usual sense 1193830;1436389243;ascii_field;as in, the one thing that is guaranteed to grow monotonically 1193831;1436389445;ascii_field;https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000cf530b3346a39156f56eb9259e5d7fd97a6e9168ffaf91e << l0l 1193832;1436389446;assbot;Bitcoin Block #364463 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RldQKx ) 1193833;1436389513;shinohai;test 1193834;1436389524;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1193835;1436389563;ascii_field;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3clbk6/bitcoin_xt_status_update/cswlmk4 << l0l 1193836;1436389564;assbot;HostFat comments on Bitcoin XT Status Update ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rle4kR ) 1193837;1436389595;ascii_field;'As you may have noticed, Bitcoin unfortunately has run out of capacity due to someone DoS attacking the network.' 1193838;1436389598;ascii_field;'run out' 1193839;1436389599;ascii_field;'someone' 1193840;1436389612;ascii_field;'bigger blocks' 1193841;1436389620;ascii_field;(hearn, of course) 1193842;1436389697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14762 @ 0.00056898 = 8.3993 BTC [-] 1193843;1436389725;trinque;"I suspect it can be mitigated through heavier reliance on coin age priority, as coin age is not something that can be trivially bought on the spot, unlike fee priority." 1193844;1436389736;trinque;same idiot argument re: spam as Luke-Jr 1193845;1436389753;trinque;IF IT HAS A FEE ATTACHED AND IS A VALID TXN, IT'S NOT SPAM 1193846;1436389757;ascii_field;^ 1193847;1436389864;ascii_field;though gotta wonder if this is still fair to say re: a gigantic sack of shit with the words 'this is spam, and fuck you' printed right on it 1193848;1436389873;ascii_field;(the tx sent to brainwallet('password') etc) 1193849;1436389923;trinque;sure, one can imagine some sane criteria on determining spamitude 1193850;1436389927;ascii_field;but aside from that, bidding up space in blocks by blowing one's own coin is a perfectly legit thing to do 1193851;1436389931;ascii_field;as per the protocol rules 1193852;1436389944;trinque;it's telling that they are not even willing to consider using, you know, a fucking market for this 1193853;1436389947;ascii_field;if usg wants to spend its coin this way, it can 1193854;1436389999;mats;its an ideological matter to hear Luke-Jr tell it 1193855;1436390002;ascii_field;as i pointed out before, it is being done for two disjoint reasons. one is so that hearn can write the turd linked above, re: 'it is crowded and we need blocks of $maxint size' 1193856;1436390017;ascii_field;the other is so that gavin & co. can try to persuade miners to use their turdball 1193857;1436390019;mats;'i dun wanna hold gigs of "spam" on my drive, and nobody else does either' 1193858;1436390027;ascii_field;by promising 'tx fee ordering' as a feature 1193859;1436390120;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193852 << the fucking market is there. nobody broke it. but to redditards, 'market won't supply me with free shit' == 'market has failed' 1193860;1436390121;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 21:12:24; trinque: it's telling that they are not even willing to consider using, you know, a fucking market for this 1193861;1436390152;trinque;right, I said this yesterday 1193862;1436390160;trinque;stress test seems to prove the system works from where I sit 1193863;1436390170;ascii_field;trinque: not if you ask the tards 1193864;1436390173;ascii_field;for them, 'it broke' 1193865;1436390192;ascii_field;because they can't send their 0.01 btc without fee 1193866;1436390249;mod6;'don't be poor' 1193867;1436390255;ascii_field;one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them 1193868;1436390269;ascii_field;when they cannot pay 1193869;1436390290;shinohai;my tunnel collapsed 1193870;1436390295;shinohai;sorry for the flood 1193871;1436390342;trinque;ascii_field: reminds me of mircea_popescu's recent comments to the effect of roughly "We've done it! I exist!" 1193872;1436390353;trinque;cannot think of a more vulgar mentality 1193873;1436390354;ascii_field;l0l wut 1193874;1436390364;trinque;the redditard mentality 1193875;1436390377;trinque;that the fact of their pulse is by itself something special and important 1193876;1436390432;mats;we're all equals, man 1193877;1436390450;mats;we must has equal outcomes or else fascism 1193878;1436390679;ascii_field;https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000dd2101c3f08f3e4ad16f90c37a2780f5012358c18371642 1193879;1436390679;assbot;Bitcoin Block #364467 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlfOdZ ) 1193880;1436390723;thestringpuller;ascii_field: so what's the problem here? 1193881;1436390732;thestringpuller;we get fee market. fuck the people who can't pay for their nice things 1193882;1436390743;thestringpuller;get a fucking job already 1193883;1436390761;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1193884;1436390761;thestringpuller;stop complaining about "waah my transactions is unconfirmed waaaah" 1193885;1436390762;*;BingoBoingo just switched own nodes to 0.001 min fee for transaction relay 1193886;1436390766;ascii_field;thestringpuller: ask'em 1193887;1436390801;*;shinohai likes how BingoBoingo thinks. 1193888;1436390816;ascii_field;thestringpuller: i'm not even certain that the 'ocean of complaint' consists of real people 1193889;1436390826;ascii_field;rather than philippino meat puppets for-hire 1193890;1436390859;BingoBoingo;Impact of my relay policy change on the network will be near nil, but policy is policy 1193891;1436390880;funkenstein_;meanwhile litecoin users enjoying "stress test" popcorn 1193892;1436390890;funkenstein_;i've never understood the philippino references i see here 1193893;1436390898;ascii_field;funkenstein_: it's in the log 1193894;1436390910;thestringpuller;!s philippino 1193895;1436390910;assbot;1 results for 'philippino' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=philippino 1193896;1436390915;shinohai;!s philippino meat puppets for-hire 1193897;1436390916;assbot;0 results for 'philippino meat puppets for-hire' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=philippino+meat+puppets+for-hire 1193898;1436390920;thestringpuller;!s phillipino 1193899;1436390920;assbot;2 results for 'phillipino' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phillipino 1193900;1436390930;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2015#1003223 1193901;1436390930;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2015 23:04:03; mircea_popescu: it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms. 1193902;1436390932;ascii_field;^ 1193903;1436390937;fluffypony;itt: nobody can spell phillllippppinnnnooooo 1193904;1436390954;shinohai;i copy-pasta'd xD 1193905;1436390974;ascii_field;see whole thread 1193906;1436390994;ascii_field;particularly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2015#1003221 1193907;1436390994;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2015 23:03:08; mircea_popescu: "I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue." 1193908;1436391622;williamdunne;WTF 1193909;1436391630;williamdunne;It starts with an F? What's this shit 1193910;1436391631;williamdunne;filipino 1193911;1436391800;trinque;who gives a shit about arbitrary distinctions such as that? 1193912;1436391813;trinque;only asciilifeform's test takers 1193913;1436391821;trinque;and players of dwarf fortress 1193914;1436391989;funkenstein_;bad spellers of the world: untie! 1193915;1436392016;williamdunne;Sorta like how dyslexic is probably pretty hard to spell if you're dyslexic 1193916;1436392107;trinque;brings to mind http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/european-commission.html 1193917;1436392108;assbot;Jokes - European Commission ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlhwMq ) 1193918;1436392292;williamdunne;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/greece-illustrates-150-years-socialist-failure-europe 1193919;1436392293;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlhKmF ) 1193920;1436392786;*;BingoBoingo is guessing that at some point Rubidium standards are going to become #b-a coture 1193921;1436394688;BingoBoingo;Apparently Microshit is copying MP nao http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html 1193922;1436394689;assbot;Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hi3NLe ) 1193923;1436395712;decimation;BingoBoingo: actually high quality ovenized quartz can be nearly as good as rubidium 1193924;1436395764;BingoBoingo;Suffers labeling issues though. Hard to tell buy ordering if you get actual part or Chicom turd 1193925;1436395791;decimation;not if you are willing to pay $$$ 1193926;1436395885;decimation;here's a reasonable text on celestial navigation http://www2.arnes.si/~gljsentvid10/page2.htm 1193927;1436395886;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPIZ4W ) 1193928;1436395904;decimation;there is a description on how to derive time by measuring the moon's motion relative to other objects in the sky 1193929;1436396041;decimation;actually better link to the book here http://www.celnav.de/page2.htm 1193930;1436396042;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hi8RPQ ) 1193931;1436396282;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the fixation on physical clocks, astronomical magic, etc. is unproductive re: the original problem posed. 1193932;1436396290;asciilifeform;(though by no means useless in general) 1193933;1436396308;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, for different, later problems 1193934;1436396329;asciilifeform;we, afaik, do not have those problems yet. must still graduate to them. 1193935;1436396389;BingoBoingo;At somepoint though we will have the problem on when to start decelerating the starship lest we crashland into Alpha Centurai 1193936;1436396411;asciilifeform;right now we have the very different problem of how not to drown in own shit. 1193937;1436396454;BingoBoingo;And the way to not drown might just be space ship 1193938;1436396462;BingoBoingo;Or Space shit 1193939;1436396493;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you have a tip re: how to make perfectly synchronized with one another rubidium clocks materialize in the existing $20 pogos, i'm all ears.. 1193940;1436396509;BingoBoingo;No idea about that. 1193941;1436396534;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: might wanna read that thread, it's pretty lulzy 1193942;1436396555;asciilifeform;it's where i describe how bitcoin is not actually decentralized at all, but depends on a thoroughly usgificated network of political clocks 1193943;1436396586;decimation;^ clocks that could be, but probably are not, checked for accuracy 1193944;1436396614;BingoBoingo;I read the thread. closest I have to solutions are either Noping ft. meade off the earth into the sun or Noping out and taking stator to ALpha Centurai 1193945;1436397013;BingoBoingo;But I dunno. Maybe at some point radio hashes happens. 1193946;1436397066;BingoBoingo;Disguise the signal as over the horizon radar 1193947;1436397110;BingoBoingo;And at that point why not have competing political time broadcast on that signal, signed 1193948;1436397311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't acvtually depend on it. 1193949;1436397317;mircea_popescu;owner of node may choose to depend on it 1193950;1436397323;mircea_popescu;otherwise, nothing keeps you from keeping your own time. 1193951;1436397564;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193532 << no one can force them to know it was doxxed, either. 1193952;1436397564;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 18:06:08; ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: this doesn't help either. no one can force them to keep making the 'doxxed' chip. 1193953;1436397751;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193580 << no. 1193954;1436397751;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 18:32:24; williamdunne: What happened to that German socialist girl, she ever come back to continue her derping? 1193955;1436397751;decimation;also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic 1193956;1436397763;mircea_popescu;and ftr she looked like a guy to me. 1193957;1436397776;mircea_popescu;decimation time is not a natural phenomenon. 1193958;1436397777;trinque;^ found that googling as well 1193959;1436397793;decimation;spacetime doesn't exist? 1193960;1436397795;trinque;women in technology == technologically produced womyn 1193961;1436397797;mircea_popescu;but that aside, this is conventional time. 1193962;1436397805;mircea_popescu;spacetime is an artefact of the observation being carried out. 1193963;1436397825;mircea_popescu;and also, it is not ~time~. it is space-time. 1193964;1436397834;decimation;as opposed to what? being derived from platonic ideals? 1193965;1436397845;mircea_popescu;as opposed to mass. 1193966;1436397973;BingoBoingo; spacetime doesn't exist? << It isn't space or time, merely the manifold until it is intuited by the apperception 1193967;1436398008;decimation;same could be said of quarks 1193968;1436398111;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193590 << he is basically saying http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-06-2015#1170141 and in that he is right. for the exact reason in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169850 1193969;1436398111;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:02:31; ascii_field: 'If you want to end ISIS, teach it game theory and casebooks. "They['ll] get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do," and lose.' (from the al schwartz link earlier) 1193970;1436398111;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 23:17:19; asciilifeform: but no, he wants to use what the gods gave him. 1193971;1436398111;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 19:29:12; mircea_popescu: the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms 1193972;1436398122;mircea_popescu;specifically, that if you wait for the "optimal" you're waiting forever. 1193973;1436398154;mircea_popescu;decimation in any case, the time bitcoin uses is a political construct. 1193974;1436398169;mircea_popescu;a matter of conventional agreementr, currently overseen by exactly usg. 1193975;1436398183;mircea_popescu;unless you wish to experimentally prove that ~you~ can insert leap seconds into places. 1193976;1436398233;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193597 exactly http://trilema.com/2009/hai-sa-facem-o-socoteala/ :D 1193977;1436398233;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:17:10; ascii_field: '12 years public school, 4 years undergrad, 6 years PhD, 4 years post-doc. You are now over 30, deeply in debt, and starting life. Your idiot high school classmate who held a STOP sign at a construction site has been pulling $80K/year, has a fine home, wife, three kids, and a motor boat. His eldest son rakes in $850K/year tax-free facilitating recreational pharmaceuticals and an escort service.' << schw 1193978;1436398234;assbot;Hai sa facem o socoteala. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcsbyU ) 1193979;1436398320;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193615 << this is a hollywood fiction. "the strong, silent type". not found in nature. 1193980;1436398320;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:38:22; ascii_field: one can have one coming out of ears and arse, and lack the other entirely 1193981;1436398393;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193627 << this is not unlike inquiring "what makes the sterile woman the waste of chocolate that she is". she only becomes that if you put her in a matronly role. otherwise, i wouldn't want a fertile catwoman. 1193982;1436398393;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:46:07; ascii_field: what makes the exam champ the waste of oxygen that he is ? 1193983;1436398409;mircea_popescu;so the problem there is of management not of nature. chinese exam taker is a great asset in any sanely balanced system. 1193984;1436398438;mircea_popescu;and generally, the quality of a system is to be measured by how many people it can make life meaningful for, not how many people it has to kill to survive. 1193985;1436398591;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193636 << consider many of the things we regularly discuss here. most people are neither willing to consider not even willing to look upon the outrage that goes on daily, hourly. be it icons of say badly beaten up women, or whatever else. plenty of people keep lists of words they won't ever say. this disinclination ~to consider~, however the subject justifies it, is the c 1193986;1436398591;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:51:46; ascii_field: the 'capable' part is definitely key. who hasn't met his fair share of hack writers, for instance, poor schmucks grasping desperately for one singe original idea? and never finding it 1193987;1436398591;mircea_popescu;ertainest macula of intellectual ineptitude. 1193988;1436398630;mircea_popescu;fact is, if you're not willing to consider the things you aren't going to do, your not doing them is not any sort merit, and it certainly won't ever work in your favour. 1193989;1436398676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193642 << is this an actual perspective, or is it a knot of nonsense ? 1193990;1436398676;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 19:55:54; trinque: if he in fact has the capability, then the empathy which might cause him to accept someone else's perspective instead would only be a hindrance 1193991;1436398746;mircea_popescu;http://polymatharchives.blogspot.in/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html << this thing is such bs. if the intelligent need to whine on an obscure blog, and for "society" to GIVE THEM shit they're about as intelligent as a mensa chapter. which isn't all that flattering. 1193992;1436398747;assbot;The Polymath Archives: The Inappropriately Excluded ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hct624 ) 1193993;1436398775;trinque;that's more or less what I got from asciilifeform, that he was describing a person which, to put it in idiot's terms "does what makes sense to him" 1193994;1436398785;trinque;could not find much clinical "psychopathy" in that 1193995;1436398795;trinque;which leads me to suspect the term itself is stupid 1193996;1436398834;mircea_popescu;not sure i follow. 1193997;1436398953;trinque;I (perhaps incorrectly) take "psychopath" to be a political term, akin to "sociopath" 1193998;1436398976;trinque;the former something like "does what he wants to, even if people cry" and the latter maybe "lies to his enemies, effectively" 1193999;1436398995;mircea_popescu;hm 1194000;1436398997;mircea_popescu;go on ? 1194001;1436399050;trinque;mostly just that; I hear these terms most often used by someone who thinks someone else has been unfair, and ought to be restrained by the state 1194002;1436399058;trinque;was otherwise fishing for asciilifeform's definition of the term. 1194003;1436399162;punkman;mircea_popescu: does romanian have a word for sociopath? 1194004;1436399175;mircea_popescu;sociopat 1194005;1436399202;mircea_popescu;just like in english, it doesn't actually mean anything, unlike english it is not used by the hipstery youth. 1194006;1436399241;punkman;there's an academic word for it in greek, nobody ever uses it though 1194007;1436399252;mircea_popescu;there is aschilopat, which is a purely nonsense word that is use to convey roughly the same notion, "invisible gross diformity worthy of pity" but it's blue collar slang mostly. 1194008;1436399314;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia << this one's pretty good 1194009;1436399315;assbot;Sluggish schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPONLJ ) 1194010;1436399327;trinque;!s borderline 1194011;1436399328;assbot;30 results for 'borderline' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=borderline 1194012;1436399364;trinque;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/the_diagnosis_of_borderline_pe.html << found it 1194013;1436399366;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder: What Does It Really Mean? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPORuX ) 1194014;1436399426;*;mircea_popescu drops http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ since we're on it 1194015;1436399426;assbot;The definitive tract on sociopathy on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPOXmf ) 1194016;1436399499;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193670 << the mother of all occultations yes 1194017;1436399499;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 20:08:22; decimation: re: political time < it occurred to me that the far more obvious way of synchronizing a clock is to simply take note of the sunrise and/or sunset 1194018;1436399682;trinque;"This is what sociopathy is : what the scum of the earth currently calls its betters." << right, soon to give way to "fagtalkers" 1194019;1436399698;trinque;though one hopes it doesn't take long enough for that 1194020;1436399745;trinque;I keep wanting to call that "inversion" 1194021;1436399761;trinque;where something unnatural persists for so long it becomes the basis of comparison 1194022;1436399767;trinque;eh unnatural is problematic 1194023;1436399767;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193749 << this is an important point that i don't think asciilifeform fully digested. replay attacks that rely on block count do not work. actuall superior WORK has to be shown. 1194024;1436399767;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 20:35:49; funkenstein_: the chain with the most work demonstrated wins 1194025;1436399768;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/tTqFfvF.jpg 1194026;1436399769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPPp3Y ) 1194027;1436399790;punkman;mircea_popescu: I liked the toilet analogy 1194028;1436399793;mircea_popescu;trinque magic thinking is this all through 1194029;1436399799;trinque;mhm 1194030;1436399802;mircea_popescu;punkman how far off do you think tyhat piece is, as a local ? 1194031;1436399876;mircea_popescu;!up solrodar 1194032;1436399899;solrodar;hello 1194033;1436399902;punkman;mircea_popescu: close enough 1194034;1436399914;*;mircea_popescu is impressed with himself. 1194035;1436399919;mircea_popescu;hello solrodar. who're you ? 1194036;1436399944;punkman;maybe a good time for a translation of the older ones? gtranslate not doing them justice 1194037;1436399959;solrodar;mircea_popescu: one of your blog readers 1194038;1436399961;solrodar;I've made an attempt at the call graph you requested 1194039;1436399970;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1194040;1436399972;solrodar;http://imgh.us/bitcoin-dot.svg 1194041;1436399975;assbot;Call graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hcvoyr ) 1194042;1436399978;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ 1194043;1436399988;mircea_popescu;solrodar do you know what gpg is ? 1194044;1436400004;solrodar;yes, but not used it 1194045;1436400009;mircea_popescu;!h 1194046;1436400009;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1194047;1436400028;mircea_popescu;solrodar consider register a signature with the bot. 1194048;1436400033;mircea_popescu;registering* 1194049;1436400058;solrodar;ok 1194050;1436400092;mircea_popescu;also consider leaving a comment with the link and a functional email address on the trilema post. 1194051;1436400114;mircea_popescu;(trying to make sure you can actually claim your prize - as it is anyone can in principle use a freenode nick) 1194052;1436400723;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1194053;1436400741;gribble;Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 13 hours, 16 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1194054;1436401988;BingoBoingo;!up solrodar 1194055;1436402429;solrodar;!rate assbot 1 testing 1194056;1436402429;assbot;You must be rated before you can rate. 1194057;1436402435;solrodar;heh 1194058;1436402607;ben_vulpes;!rate solrodar 1 doolb wen 1194059;1436402607;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f2cf461b4bf2e335 1194060;1436402674;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.solrodar.1:898d1835333b88e8a1aeafa9acb92bbad9b839fc1cf4135f8a2ea7ea45bf4c5f 1194061;1436402675;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for solrodar with note: doolb wen 1194062;1436402738;BingoBoingo;solrodar: Now !up yourself 1194063;1436402873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00057586 = 6.3345 BTC [+] 1194064;1436402894;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1194040 << sorry, totally useless 1194065;1436402894;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 23:59:32; solrodar: http://imgh.us/bitcoin-dot.svg 1194066;1436402907;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-07-2015#1192228 << see thread 1194067;1436402907;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 21:11:38; ascii_field: my patience for 'help the mouse find the cheese' ran out when i was four 1194068;1436402942;solrodar;it's not great I know 1194069;1436402959;solrodar;but if that's the actual structure of the code then what else can you do? 1194070;1436403001;shinohai;I need a projector to see it 1194071;1436403006;asciilifeform;solrodar: gonna tell me that the structure requires putting, e.g., CWalletDB::ReadBestBlock a mile away from AppInit2, even though the former connects to ~nothing else~ ???!! 1194072;1436403080;asciilifeform;and see example of CreateNewBlock 1194073;1436403085;asciilifeform;if you had ~only~ this chart, 1194074;1436403091;asciilifeform;could you say what it calls ? 1194075;1436403099;asciilifeform;i'd be lying if i said yes 1194076;1436403144;asciilifeform;not trying to be a spoilsport, but pointing out fact 1194077;1436403167;solrodar;yeah some things are oddly positioned 1194078;1436403178;trinque;it's gonna take manual arrangement 1194079;1436403181;trinque;no way around it 1194080;1436403188;asciilifeform;trinque: i really don't understand why 1194081;1436403201;asciilifeform;the most obvious problems have nothing to do with shortest paths 1194082;1436403216;trinque;and/or some really nice force directed graph thing 1194083;1436403222;trinque;of which I've found nothing but shit 1194084;1436403223;asciilifeform;another problem is abominably small print 1194085;1436403232;asciilifeform;at least 10% of the page should be occupied by letters. 1194086;1436403253;solrodar;I don't think any amount of manual arrangement would shrink the overall size that much 1194087;1436403328;asciilifeform;solrodar: tell you what. i'm not the one who put up the bounty (that was mircea_popescu) but i was the one who asked for the chart. if you can produce a dependency graph in s-expression format, embodying the info in this graph, ~and~ show me how to get same using open source utils, i will say the job is done 1194088;1436403335;solrodar;there are so many edges that you need to leave space between the nodes to keep them from overlapping too much 1194089;1436403359;asciilifeform;(the job won't be done, but it will become possible for me to do it) 1194090;1436403385;asciilifeform;you know, there is no reason why all the letters have to be parallel with the bottom of the page 1194091;1436403397;asciilifeform;plenty of room if you remove that limit 1194092;1436403517;solrodar;I don't follow you 1194093;1436403533;solrodar;what's parallel with what? 1194094;1436403541;asciilifeform;the captions 1194095;1436403543;asciilifeform;are all horizontal 1194096;1436403548;asciilifeform;they don't have to be 1194097;1436403655;solrodar;I don't see how changing that would give you more space 1194098;1436403669;BingoBoingo;!b 9 1194099;1436403670;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SZRD5W.txt ) 1194100;1436403683;asciilifeform;ferfuxxake 1194101;1436403698;asciilifeform;i could draw the picture and explain. but then i will have drawn the picture 1194102;1436403715;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1194103;1436403715;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0B3S7RR.txt ) 1194104;1436403776;solrodar;I mean it's the positioning of the boxes which is the problem 1194105;1436403826;BingoBoingo;The problem is the thing being modeled, hence the bounty 1194106;1436403856;asciilifeform;!up solrodar 1194107;1436403875;solrodar;you can get dot to lay the graph out from top to bottom rather than left to right, but it won't be any better 1194108;1436403892;asciilifeform;wasn't the idea 1194109;1436403904;asciilifeform;idea is, to make the text sit down at whatever angle is needed 1194110;1436403910;asciilifeform;31 degrees if need be 1194111;1436403911;asciilifeform;or 5 1194112;1436403919;asciilifeform;to maximize space for the arrows. 1194113;1436403998;asciilifeform;and other thing, if a node is a leaf of only one stem, it should be right next to it 1194114;1436404001;asciilifeform;and not half the page away. 1194115;1436404010;asciilifeform;there is room for this to be the case everywhere. 1194116;1436404037;solrodar;yeah, I don't know why it doesn't always do that 1194117;1436404048;solrodar;it's clearly doing it in some places 1194118;1436404050;asciilifeform;because the tool is retarded 1194119;1436404055;asciilifeform;i can use that tool too, you know. 1194120;1436404068;asciilifeform;i don't need the garbage that comes out of codeviz or those other 3 1194121;1436404072;asciilifeform;i need a usable graph 1194122;1436404093;asciilifeform;this is probably more than 1 btc worth of work 1194123;1436404105;asciilifeform;and so i'm not holding my breath waiting for it to get done by anybody. 1194124;1436404105;solrodar;looks that way 1194125;1436404156;solrodar;so if I provide the graph in s-expression format with instructions, do you have any specific plan for visualizing it? 1194126;1436404209;solrodar;or you just want the data to experiment? 1194127;1436404215;asciilifeform;data. 1194128;1436404224;asciilifeform;but not only it, but a complete recipe whereby i can regenerate it. 1194129;1436404238;solrodar;of course 1194130;1436404306;asciilifeform;solrodar: might wanna ask mircea_popescu if he will award the prize for this item, which is not what he asked for, before putting in serious effort 1194131;1436404363;solrodar;at this stage the only extra effort is to output it in sexpr format rather than dot format 1194132;1436404387;solrodar;I'm already pulling the graph into a script to do some filtering 1194133;1436404395;asciilifeform;neat. 1194134;1436404403;*;BingoBoingo wonders how his 0.7.2 qt build ever worked on OpenBSD 1194135;1436404406;asciilifeform;thank you for the effort, solrodar 1194136;1436404429;solrodar;because if you include all the low-level functions and bignum classes and so forth in the graph then it'll be 10 times worse 1194137;1436404435;asciilifeform;eheheheeh wat 1194138;1436404439;asciilifeform;these are missing?!!! 1194139;1436404443;asciilifeform;then entirely useless 1194140;1436404445;asciilifeform;i want every token 1194141;1436404451;asciilifeform;in *.cpp and *.h 1194142;1436404453;asciilifeform;in that tree. 1194143;1436404455;solrodar;you can have every token 1194144;1436404461;asciilifeform;gotta have those. 1194145;1436404465;solrodar;including std:: and boost:: 1194146;1436404469;asciilifeform;how did you even choose what to exclude ? 1194147;1436404473;solrodar;just remove the filters 1194148;1436404484;asciilifeform;where did the filter come from ? 1194149;1436404490;solrodar;started with the standard library 1194150;1436404528;solrodar;then cut out nodes with very high in-degree which appeared to be low-level functions 1194151;1436404534;punkman;btw aren't all those stacked "using namespace std;" "using namespace boost;" statements a bad idea? 1194152;1436404536;asciilifeform;would like a way of adjusting this 1194153;1436404563;solrodar;yeah, it's just a list of regexes, you can change them as you like 1194154;1436404567;asciilifeform;ok 1194155;1436404622;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193949 << virtually all of them do, however. whether ~i~ choose to run ntp or not does not change the fact that the bulk of the network (including - though i can only suspect! - the mining bulk) does. 1194156;1436404622;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 23:15:17; mircea_popescu: owner of node may choose to depend on it 1194157;1436404628;BingoBoingo;solrodar: If your recipe works a narrative of it could be welcome qntra material 1194158;1436404658;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193950 << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what 1194159;1436404658;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 23:15:23; mircea_popescu: otherwise, nothing keeps you from keeping your own time. 1194160;1436404674;solrodar;the one thing which is missing which you asked for is virtual function calls, which are only used in the keystore base class 1194161;1436404691;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193951 << it's why they produce incompatible ones regularly. because no way to know if it happened or not yet, save for passage of time 1194162;1436404691;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 23:19:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193532 << no one can force them to know it was doxxed, either. 1194163;1436404712;solrodar;they don't appear to be in the clang output 1194164;1436404757;asciilifeform;solrodar: your tool doesn't see virtual functions ? 1194165;1436404802;solrodar;it sees their implementations but it doesn't see calls to them via the virtual lookup mechanism 1194166;1436404841;asciilifeform;solrodar: and how do you know that they are only used in keystore base class ? 1194167;1436404867;solrodar;grep virtual *.h :) 1194168;1436404909;asciilifeform;fair enough. 1194169;1436404966;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193979 << mircea_popescu misunderstood my point entirely. which was, that it is possible to have arbitrarily original ideas in, e.g., mathematics, while being certifiably worthless at 'making phriends and influencing people' 1194170;1436404966;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 23:32:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193615 << this is a hollywood fiction. "the strong, silent type". not found in nature. 1194171;1436404967;scoopbot_revived;S.MPOE: Trader's Delight. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/08/s-mpoe-traders-delight/ 1194172;1436404967;BingoBoingo; ... << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what << How often? A minute over a century and ignoring should be fine 1194173;1436404989;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and if they decide that 'national s33k0000r1ty' requires a leap week ? 1194174;1436404998;asciilifeform;to thwart 'financial terrorizm!!!1111' 1194175;1436405007;asciilifeform;(aka bitcoin use) 1194176;1436405027;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The time nerds burn the... Well QuickTrip and CVS were done so I guess WalMart 1194177;1436405050;solrodar;!rate ben_vulpes 1 welcomed me to #b-a 1194178;1436405050;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8c4aa8cc715c6d75 1194179;1436405076;asciilifeform;!rate solrodar 1 flow graphs 1194180;1436405076;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ebf2651b9eb17fd5 1194181;1436405106;solrodar;!v assbot:solrodar.rate.ben_vulpes.1:be7ce5a08c6698de2492a0c464338aa0a12c9c6070b6d7a9a6feffbe27ef763a 1194182;1436405106;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: welcomed me to #b-a 1194183;1436405108;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.solrodar.1:0a8d0ab5914fc2d41371f84fe250e40f9eab92aab2afdf54f7774066895e50c5 1194184;1436405108;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for solrodar with note: flow graphs 1194185;1436405139;BingoBoingo;Leapweek would purely put USG time in the realm of clearly fiat time 1194186;1436405148;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it was always fiat time 1194187;1436405162;asciilifeform;just as argentine peso was fiat when it was still worth real money 1194188;1436405180;asciilifeform;we haven't invented non-fiat time yet 1194189;1436405208;BingoBoingo;Yes, even with the Romans fiat time. But poerverted like now dollar fiat time. At present still enjoy 1934 dollar fiat time 1194190;1436405230;asciilifeform;(yes, decimation will teach you to tell epoch time within +/1 1000 by using the stars and moon. that does not change the essence of the fact that global epoch synchronized by machines is a fiat - specifically usg - creature) 1194191;1436405237;decimation;asciilifeform: how is 'mean solar day is split into two parts; divided into 24 peices' fiat time? 1194192;1436405251;decimation;you were the one arguing to ditch leap seconds 1194193;1436405252;asciilifeform;it is fiat if i can't see the sun and rely on the kind to tell me 1194194;1436405257;asciilifeform;*king 1194195;1436405263;decimation;okay. 1194196;1436405263;BingoBoingo;As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain 1194197;1436405272;asciilifeform;this is a subtle point, granted 1194198;1436405279;asciilifeform;and i don't expect everyone to grasp it immediately 1194199;1436405284;decimation;time is absolute, space squishes and streches to nail to its strictures 1194200;1436405325;decimation;asciilifeform: what does 'time outside of humanity' even mean? 1194201;1436405331;BingoBoingo;decimation: Astronomical time is probelematic in that we do not know if LizardHitler mothership can subtly tow sun a few miles or give the moon a push 1194202;1436405346;decimation;sure, he could do that 1194203;1436405349;asciilifeform;decimation: 'outside of humanity' is a tall order. and not what anybody was asking for 1194204;1436405361;asciilifeform;just needs to be 'outside' to the same extent bitcoin is (or naively appears to be) 1194205;1436405378;asciilifeform;that is, massively resistant to organized diddling 1194206;1436405386;decimation;what's the use of 'bitcoin outside of humanity' 1194207;1436405406;asciilifeform;!s martian bank 1194208;1436405406;assbot;6 results for 'martian bank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=martian+bank 1194209;1436405433;decimation;even martians could live with a 24-hour earth day 1194210;1436405440;decimation;'dude just tell us how to set our clocks' 1194211;1436405482;asciilifeform;because they can all see the sun 1194212;1436405486;asciilifeform;and feel its warmth 1194213;1436405492;asciilifeform;but say they lived underground, and could not. 1194214;1436405520;asciilifeform;the sun is almost literally blinding decimation, making the problem look far easier than it actually is for us 1194215;1436405523;asciilifeform;pogo cannot see the sun! 1194216;1436405530;decimation;aye, that's a problem 1194217;1436405537;decimation;but quite separate than 'we depend on time' 1194218;1436405543;asciilifeform;it cannot see the moon, or the stars 1194219;1436405557;decimation;I guess I just can't see 'we need to sun' to be a huge limitation on any human endeavour 1194220;1436405575;asciilifeform;in so far as you, i, and every other fella on the net wants to know 'what second' it is 'right now', we are dealing in usgtronics 1194221;1436405580;asciilifeform;because there is no other known way to do it 1194222;1436405586;asciilifeform;within any kind of serious accuracy 1194223;1436405589;decimation;yes, but that's conditional 1194224;1436405594;decimation;and we don't need serious accuracy 1194225;1436405603;decimation;+/- 5 min would be fine 1194226;1436405606;decimation;or even more 1194227;1436405612;asciilifeform;actually we do 1194228;1436405614;asciilifeform;because drift 1194229;1436405618;decimation;easily achieved with stopwatch and gnomon 1194230;1436405624;asciilifeform;long enough at +/- 5m and we get >2h off 1194231;1436405626;asciilifeform;and it's game over. 1194232;1436405635;decimation;yeah but these aren't launching into space 1194233;1436405640;asciilifeform;they sorta are. 1194234;1436405641;decimation;can emerge, get reset 1194235;1436405654;asciilifeform;not from under the bed of the gurlz mircea_popescu picks up and pogopregnates 1194236;1436405658;decimation;well, if that were a hard spec I would agree, need txco or ocxo 1194237;1436405676;decimation;and there's no way around it, if actual human cannot set 1194238;1436405677;williamdunne;From the looks of things, S.MPOE used to have a thousand BTC or so volume per day 1194239;1436405680;williamdunne;Pretty solid 1194240;1436405684;decimation;or we cannot build a trusted network of time sources 1194241;1436405716;asciilifeform;my argument was that this apparently-unsolvable problem can be solved 1194242;1436405722;asciilifeform;if a certain constraint is loosenes 1194243;1436405756;decimation;you mean modifying the bitcoind to accept wider windows of blocks? 1194244;1436405756;BingoBoingo; easily achieved with stopwatch and gnomon << This leads you to my world, where my mechinical autowinding watch is always perfectly accurate because I declare it so 1194245;1436405758;asciilifeform;to have the concept of difficulty, nodes only need to know that time has passed, using a timebase that 1) is independent variable from aggregate hash 2) is prohibitively expensive to manipulate 1194246;1436405778;decimation;BingoBoingo: can you use your winding to predict the sunrise 1194247;1436405780;asciilifeform;i possibly have a scheme for this. but it won't help pogo, because this is no longer bitcoin 1194248;1436405799;asciilifeform;right now i don't know how to help the pogo problem. 1194249;1436405807;mats;recently S.MPOE has stood still 1194250;1436405809;decimation;asciilifeform: you do, it involves hardware 1194251;1436405812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al were contemplating a surrender to ntp even. 1194252;1436405814;mats;its a real bummer 1194253;1436405814;decimation;unless you just want to give into ntp 1194254;1436405815;BingoBoingo;decimation: Realtive to UTC, yes. I live about a minute in a half to UTC's future 1194255;1436405830;asciilifeform;decimation: adding any hardware at all will raise the cost to where we no longer have anything over the phoundation. 1194256;1436405839;asciilifeform;and their standard x86 turd boards. 1194257;1436405849;decimation;well, if that's a hard spec, and 'launch into space' is a hard spec, the project is a failure 1194258;1436405881;decimation;unless you are willing to accept the risk of a global ntp/router delay attack 1194259;1436405963;BingoBoingo;to the extent ntp is depended upon by other implementations, it seems ntp servers may need to be polled. If they need to be polled the prolly ought to be polled at arc4random() intervals selecting arc4random() out of the pool each go 1194260;1436405986;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my concern was blackholing 1194261;1436405997;decimation;BingoBoingo: ascii's argument is that method is defeated if enemy controlls isp 1194262;1436405997;BingoBoingo;Serious concern 1194263;1436405999;asciilifeform;where every single ntp query gets picked up by your isp and replaced. 1194264;1436406033;asciilifeform;this is realistic, because nothing but pogo will seriously fail if this were done 1194265;1436406043;asciilifeform;it's a cheap bullet with our name on it 1194266;1436406060;shinohai;T_T 1194267;1436406076;decimation;I dispuse the 'nothing but pogo would fail' 1194268;1436406087;decimation;plenty of shit is poorly engineered into depending on that kind of stuff 1194269;1436406102;asciilifeform;say my isp makes all ntp queries chronically 3 minutes off into the past 1194270;1436406102;BingoBoingo;Only way to truly defeat ISP is mock over the horizon radar which can force PCB to recieve all data as an involuntary antenna. 1194271;1436406128;BingoBoingo; say my isp makes all ntp queries chronically 3 minutes off into the past << Burn a Walmart 1194272;1436406129;asciilifeform;eventually pogo drifts off into neverneverland 1194273;1436406143;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you won't know that you have segmented into a parallel universe 1194274;1436406164;asciilifeform;not like pogo has a screen, where it tells you that it is (or is not) receiving valid blocks 1194275;1436406174;asciilifeform;for that matter, 'you' may be one of mircea_popescu's pogopregnated chixxx 1194276;1436406178;asciilifeform;and have no idea what a block is. 1194277;1436406185;asciilifeform;or what that box he plugged into your wall is for 1194278;1436406211;BingoBoingo;Perhaps L1 and L2 pogo impregnators should herd the impregnated pogos 1194279;1436406223;asciilifeform;all ~100 of us ? 1194280;1436406224;asciilifeform;lol 1194281;1436406227;decimation;no just pogo but all ntp clients 1194282;1436406304;decimation;and such an error, if it ends up driving the clock off by several minutes, would be detectable in a variety of ways 1194283;1436406313;asciilifeform;how? 1194284;1436406318;BingoBoingo;NBC 1194285;1436406320;asciilifeform;detecting an off clock requires another 1194286;1436406323;decimation;well, predicting sunrise for one 1194287;1436406328;BingoBoingo;ABC, FOX, et al 1194288;1436406330;asciilifeform;again with the sun and stars 1194289;1436406331;decimation;some other isp client finds his computer is 'off' 1194290;1436406347;asciilifeform;again with the human eyes and hands. 1194291;1436406375;asciilifeform;i specified a problem. what is the point of saying 'no, let's solve this other trivial problem' 1194292;1436406378;decimation;your scenario would imply that no human looks at the time served by said isp 1194293;1436406380;asciilifeform;i already know how to do that. 1194294;1436406466;decimation;I'm emphasizing the sun because that's the policy by which time is defined 1194295;1436406493;decimation;usg didn't make this policy any more than england did 1194296;1436406510;asciilifeform;sure 1194297;1436406538;decimation;and usg fucking with the way computers distribute time would ultimately be noticed by some innocent bystander 1194298;1436406539;asciilifeform;but we don't have a mechanism of syncing n-bit counters with second resolution across a planet that ~doesn't~ operate at hitler's pleasure. 1194299;1436406551;decimation;don't need second resolution 1194300;1436406559;asciilifeform;decimation: one very obvious way for it to fuck, and be noticed, is to simply fail 1194301;1436406590;decimation;as in, terminate all ntp services? 1194302;1436406593;asciilifeform;aha 1194303;1436406607;asciilifeform;from lack of money to pay the electric bill, say. 1194304;1436406629;decimation;I would also note that if the pogo clock varies in a systematic way (constant frequency error) 1194305;1436406640;decimation;it could be corrected 1194306;1436406648;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, it does not. 1194307;1436406654;asciilifeform;and the reason is no mystery 1194308;1436406661;asciilifeform;(interrupts vary quite unpredictably) 1194309;1436406666;decimation;yeah, makes sens 1194310;1436406697;decimation;so if the pogo syncs to a random node once per month and keeps time within a few minutes, it'll be fine 1194311;1436406716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31452 @ 0.00057008 = 17.9302 BTC [-] {2} 1194312;1436406722;decimation;is it vulnerable? yes. more vulnerable than proof-of-work? yes, if in the hands of an idiot 1194313;1436406729;asciilifeform;random node ? 1194314;1436406733;asciilifeform;which also gets to drift ? 1194315;1436406734;decimation;ntp node 1194316;1436406757;decimation;most ntp nodes are tracable to some source (yes often usg) to two layers 1194317;1436406774;decimation;but that usg clock is depended on by and awful lot of shit 1194318;1436406789;decimation;if usg starts messing with gps it would be quickly noticed and shouted at 1194319;1436406817;asciilifeform;decimation: there is no reason why ~all~ ntp servers proper would have to be diddled 1194320;1436406826;asciilifeform;just the queries from known bitcoin nodes 1194321;1436406827;asciilifeform;incl pogo 1194322;1436406836;asciilifeform;not like it's a secret who they are. 1194323;1436406847;decimation;agreed, but to selectively fuck with known bitcoin nodes would imply the deployment of an awful lot of hardware and expertise globally 1194324;1436406852;asciilifeform;tomorrow hitler says 'anybody talking on 8333 gets timewarped' 1194325;1436406856;asciilifeform;won't affect anything else. 1194326;1436406862;decimation;hitler spends $100 mil to do it? 1194327;1436406864;asciilifeform;it's deployed! 1194328;1436406865;asciilifeform;already! 1194329;1436406867;asciilifeform;srsly 1194330;1436406875;asciilifeform;what do you suppose 'narus' makes ? 1194331;1436406893;decimation;you think you could call up your local comcastic office, pretend to be hitler, and demand that a particular protocol be selectively fucked with? 1194332;1436406900;asciilifeform;you - no 1194333;1436406904;asciilifeform;the folks with the key to room 641a - yes 1194334;1436406910;decimation;that's one chokepoint 1194335;1436406912;asciilifeform;they don't work for crapcast either 1194336;1436406918;asciilifeform;they come and go when they want. 1194337;1436406919;decimation;no reason your ntp query need cross it 1194338;1436406929;asciilifeform;it is merely an example 1194339;1436406931;asciilifeform;of how it is done 1194340;1436406937;decimation;yes, and I"m sure it's not cheap 1194341;1436406942;decimation;nor easily mass deployed 1194342;1436406945;asciilifeform;there is a 'room 641a' at every single major infrastructural junction 1194343;1436406949;asciilifeform;certainly in nato-reich 1194344;1436406956;decimation;not every isp office 1194345;1436406957;asciilifeform;and similar in ru, cn 1194346;1436406966;asciilifeform;every backbone. 1194347;1436406984;decimation;so, don't cross backbones 1194348;1436406993;decimation;or, cross several 1194349;1436406995;asciilifeform;and the argument that some backwards isp, somewhere, may not be 'up to date', does not sway me. 1194350;1436407030;BingoBoingo;I guess Bitcoin builds an Argentina, Phillipines, somolia, ISIS backbone and moves geographically 1194351;1436407032;decimation;but your 'fucked with at the isp level' argument falls apart in that case 1194352;1436407049;asciilifeform;at what level the fucking will be done, is debatable 1194353;1436407067;asciilifeform;but that it is doable, and trivial, and can be carried out in such a way as to affect only known bitcoin nodes, seems obvious to me 1194354;1436407094;decimation;I would agree that if the pogo needs to be launched into space, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if it knew where it was on the internet topology, especially relative to other bitcoin nodes 1194355;1436407109;decimation;asciilifeform: it's possible but again it requires expertise and equipment 1194356;1436407122;decimation;comcast can barely keeps the lights running 1194357;1436407128;asciilifeform;comcast - sure 1194358;1436407130;asciilifeform;upstream - no 1194359;1436407144;asciilifeform;and this kind of dull, mechanistic diddlage is precisely what usg specializes in 1194360;1436407151;asciilifeform;no imagination needed 1194361;1436407157;asciilifeform;just mutilate packets if regexp matches. 1194362;1436407189;decimation;what usg agency would perform this work domestically? 1194363;1436407233;asciilifeform;at&t. 1194364;1436407247;decimation;they ain't gonna do it for free 1194365;1436407266;decimation;and 'fucking with bitcoin' is probably pretty low on usg's hitlist (not that it should be so low) 1194366;1436407281;asciilifeform;how the hell would i (or anyone else) know where it is on what list ? 1194367;1436407287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's intel dept. - possibly 1194368;1436407290;asciilifeform;me? no 1194369;1436407304;asciilifeform;but i don't get to say 'it's low on the list, let's all sleep' 1194370;1436407314;BingoBoingo;I doubt that after today. After the Chicom stockmarket sell embargo and NYSE glitch 1194371;1436407343;decimation;neither do I. but assuming the pogo isn't a complete bust, someone's gonna have to evaluate the risk 1194372;1436407346;asciilifeform;my point is that this kind of attack is not only the kind of thing usg specializes in, but pretty much the only thing they know how to do at all 1194373;1436407378;decimation;how would you know that, if you don't know the hitlist 1194374;1436407396;asciilifeform;can't know. only conjecture. 1194375;1436407431;asciilifeform;based on existing nonsense coming out of the we-don't-know-how-to-break-rsa-yet-agency 1194376;1436407438;asciilifeform;no idea what the ~other~ nsa does 1194377;1436407447;asciilifeform;that gun hasn't publicly fired yet. 1194378;1436407689;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1194379;1436407692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00056898 = 6.2588 BTC [-] 1194380;1436407763;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193991 << was linked as 'entomological sample' ! specifically, example of folks 'spinning their wheels' 1194381;1436407763;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 23:39:06; mircea_popescu: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.in/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html << this thing is such bs. if the intelligent need to whine on an obscure blog, and for "society" to GIVE THEM shit they're about as intelligent as a mensa chapter. which isn't all that flattering. 1194382;1436407801;asciilifeform;i bet if some helpful fella gave them a few kg of plastique each, they would put it to good use... 1194383;1436407812;asciilifeform;just as mr stack probably would have 1194384;1436407851;asciilifeform;and what, precisely, ought one expect of folks raised in a zoo? 1194385;1436407868;asciilifeform;how do lions in the zoo get things, other than being 'given' ? 1194386;1436407989;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188651 < a map that demonstrates your point: http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/07/mapping-the-us-by-property-value-instead-of-land-area/397841/ 1194387;1436407989;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:22; mircea_popescu: that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. 1194388;1436407990;assbot;A Map of the U.S. by Property Value Instead of Land Area - CityLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmJRPW ) 1194389;1436408017;asciilifeform;the coasts are where usg hands out payola. 1194390;1436408019;decimation;"The total value of all the residential property in Kentucky ($300 billion) falls just short of the value of all the housing property in Queens ($317 billion). The housing value of the Upper East Side all by itself is greater than that of six states." 1194391;1436408021;asciilifeform;hence folks live there. 1194392;1436408028;decimation;aye 1194393;1436408065;asciilifeform;it hands it out there for historical reasons (it is where the majority of the chump candidates live, given as that is where the anthill mega-cities are found) 1194394;1436408081;asciilifeform;on account of having been built there back when actual honest commerce was a thing 1194395;1436408144;asciilifeform;but point of fact is, to ~me~ kentucky may as well be pluto 1194396;1436408152;asciilifeform;and to everyone i know. 1194397;1436408153;BingoBoingo;decimation: Too be fair Kentucky isn't "flat" enough for intentive Monsanto'ing 1194398;1436408166;decimation;asciilifeform: it's actually a pretty nice place 1194399;1436408169;asciilifeform;aha 1194400;1436408172;asciilifeform;pluto is nice too, i hear 1194401;1436408179;asciilifeform;in its own way 1194402;1436408206;decimation;nydwracu pointed out how coast elites treat anywhere 100 miles inland in the us as 'foriegn country' 1194403;1436408211;BingoBoingo;Kentucky is beautiful. Like Southern Illinois, but entirely politically divorced from Chicago aside from Obola 1194404;1436408213;asciilifeform;because it is. 1194405;1436408223;asciilifeform;because wtf can you live on there. 1194406;1436408237;BingoBoingo; nydwracu pointed out how coast elites treat anywhere 100 miles inland in the us as 'foriegn country' << I prefer this arrangement 1194407;1436408242;asciilifeform;that's what 'foreign country' even ~means~, historically 1194408;1436408245;asciilifeform;that one is not wanted there. 1194409;1436408281;asciilifeform;kentucky, or argentina, etc, literally don't need me in particular for anything but 'weight in pork' 1194410;1436408283;asciilifeform;if that. 1194411;1436408340;asciilifeform;doesn't mean that i dislike those places, or their inhabitants 1194412;1436408345;asciilifeform;ar, in particular, i liked very much. 1194413;1436408359;asciilifeform;and the inhabitants. 1194414;1436408460;decimation;yeah, I get it, the meatwot is important 1194415;1436408481;decimation;also being within 'reasonable transport' distance of good food, places of learning, etc 1194416;1436408510;decimation;I predict that if the 'hyperloop' actually works (dubious) it would rot the suburbs around megacities 1194417;1436408542;decimation;a sizable chunk of the wash dc population would move 100-200 miles away if they could commute in 15 minutes 1194418;1436408549;decimation;if not farther 1194419;1436408661;decimation;!up The20YearIRCloud 1194420;1436408674;The20YearIRCloud;It's alive! 1194421;1436408735;williamdunne;What's alive? 1194422;1436408756;The20YearIRCloud;Boy I had a crappy day, one of the renters called me and nothing would drain. Only to find out they've been parking a car on the main drain line. I offered to go out rather than my crew to take care of it, 3hrs later and $400 we've determined that it's all due to someone parking on the drain line and actually pushing it out of the fittings. 1194423;1436408758;The20YearIRCloud;The chat! 1194424;1436408793;asciilifeform;wai wat 1194425;1436408799;asciilifeform;these drains are made of rubber ?! 1194426;1436408813;Vexual;u charged 400? 1194427;1436408817;asciilifeform;The20YearIRCloud: how is it even physically possible ? 1194428;1436408831;asciilifeform;i, for instance, park on top of my house's drain pipe every single day. 1194429;1436408832;decimation;yeah, like did they forget to use pvc cement? 1194430;1436408835;The20YearIRCloud;loose soil, 3000lbs car sitting on it ~10hrs/day 1194431;1436408843;asciilifeform;i know where it is, because the city excavated it last year. 1194432;1436408851;asciilifeform;it is two metres under the asphalt. 1194433;1436408855;asciilifeform;ah 1194434;1436408866;The20YearIRCloud;there was a 8ft PVC section between two clay drain sections 1194435;1436408880;The20YearIRCloud;This was 4ft under soil 1194436;1436408882;decimation;clay drain? Like terra cotta? 1194437;1436408890;The20YearIRCloud;yep 1194438;1436408895;The20YearIRCloud;110 year old drain 1194439;1436408895;asciilifeform;where was this? africa ? 1194440;1436408900;decimation;lul 1194441;1436408908;The20YearIRCloud;still works somewhat well, but parking on it certainly hasn't helped things 1194442;1436408922;The20YearIRCloud;Part of that $400 was to have a guy come out with a camera and inspect the line 1194443;1436408960;Vexual;plus cakes for you while u lurk? 1194444;1436408977;decimation;the 'loose soil' must be underneath the pipe 1194445;1436408987;decimation;I would guess the drain is eroding the surrounding soil 1194446;1436409021;The20YearIRCloud;Quite possibly, there's a concrete walkway that's actually sunk down about 6" 1194447;1436409027;decimation;lul 1194448;1436409028;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194417 << remember how the spiel went when the highways were built ? 1194449;1436409028;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 02:22:22; decimation: a sizable chunk of the wash dc population would move 100-200 miles away if they could commute in 15 minutes 1194450;1436409048;Vexual;is it being dug up now? 1194451;1436409050;decimation;asciilifeform: except the highways were ultimately not built 1194452;1436409051;asciilifeform;the only thing new infrastructure is used for, in usa, is to pack in more chumps for same kind of life. 1194453;1436409068;asciilifeform;there will simply be more folks who get to drive the obligatory 1-2 hr 1194454;1436409073;decimation;md 200 should be a full freeway, connect with 95 on at least two other river crossings 1194455;1436409093;asciilifeform;and if it were ? 1194456;1436409102;asciilifeform;they'd just put 2x as many 500k houses in. 1194457;1436409111;decimation;asciilifeform: yes but I'm convinced the reason that people live 2 hours away is because of zoning policy 1194458;1436409136;decimation;could easily fit the entire metro area's population inside the beltway (affordably) if you could build 50 story highrises 1194459;1436409161;decimation;but there's this weird need to have 'own country estate' in the us 1194460;1436409179;asciilifeform;not weird at all 1194461;1436409193;asciilifeform;~i~ want to put as much distance as possible between own arse and these folks. 1194462;1436409202;asciilifeform;it makes god's own sense to me 1194463;1436409208;asciilifeform;that they would feel same way. 1194464;1436409218;decimation;actually I agree with you, I feel the same way to some degree 1194465;1436409232;decimation;my theory is that the space you had as a child 'imprints' 1194466;1436409237;asciilifeform;aha 1194467;1436409239;decimation;city kid can live in apartment for life 1194468;1436409245;decimation;suburb kid needs a suburb 1194469;1436409267;The20YearIRCloud;Not all people are like that, in Columbus they're building lots of 30-40 story apartments because people want em 1194470;1436409279;asciilifeform;i grew up in a city 1194471;1436409283;The20YearIRCloud;They're relatively cheap - $150k-$200k in really well-to-do areas, people want em because they're in the middle of everything and cheap 1194472;1436409284;asciilifeform;but it had almost no traffic 1194473;1436409286;Vexual;opposition leader is explaining to the royal commission here on tv, how to build roads that don't need fixing all the time 1194474;1436409291;The20YearIRCloud;But personally, I'd never want to live there 1194475;1436409292;asciilifeform;so traffic noises drive me batshit 1194476;1436409301;asciilifeform;as do screaming morons 1194477;1436409302;decimation;The20YearIRCloud: yeah but in columbus at least it is legal to build more than 5 stories 1194478;1436409304;asciilifeform;we didn't have those, either 1194479;1436409308;The20YearIRCloud;Correct, why it's cheap 1194480;1436409314;trinque;I spent time on a large farm as a kid, cannot stand the population density of cities 1194481;1436409319;trinque;so naturally I live in one 1194482;1436409328;The20YearIRCloud;I can't wait to go back to a farm setting 1194483;1436409351;trinque;just the background noise is irritating, like living in an engine room 1194484;1436409362;The20YearIRCloud;Yeah 1194485;1436409376;The20YearIRCloud;I don't like that, but i REALLY don't like not being able to stand on the back porch and not see anything 1194486;1436409381;decimation;but this means that there are probably many people who are 'trapped' - desire more space between themselves and others - but cannot move away in order to keep a job 1194487;1436409395;The20YearIRCloud;As it stands now ,if I do that here I see tall grass, a trailer, a half plywood house, then a large agricultural facility 1194488;1436409398;trinque;The20YearIRCloud: ah man, best thing in the world is to not see another human in any direction 1194489;1436409401;decimation;70-80% of the population in cities ? 1194490;1436409401;trinque;but to each his own 1194491;1436409413;asciilifeform;what trinque said 1194492;1436409415;The20YearIRCloud;Off the back porch on the farm, the closest house was 2mi 1194493;1436409422;asciilifeform;except that i also want to not have to see them ever 1194494;1436409432;decimation;asciilifeform: you should buy a farm in kentucky 1194495;1436409445;asciilifeform;that sounds like actual work 1194496;1436409447;asciilifeform;fuck that 1194497;1436409468;The20YearIRCloud;We have areas here in ohio that have less population than many in kentucky 1194498;1436409483;decimation;go 'full perelman' 1194499;1436409494;asciilifeform;perelman, as i understand, lives off his mother's pension. 1194500;1436409506;trinque;I'm thinking getting some land in Washington state might be ideal 1194501;1436409517;decimation;trinque: not west of the mountains? 1194502;1436409518;trinque;close enough to drive to seattle shortly, but far enough to not know it 1194503;1436409561;decimation;!up warptangent 1194504;1436409563;decimation;!up Vexual 1194505;1436409577;trinque;decimation: not sure, I've yet to spend time east of them 1194506;1436409604;trinque;maybe there's something nice down 90 waiting for me 1194507;1436409625;phf;i lived 8 hours north of anchorage for 6 months or so, working remote. when i get out of the house in the morning my ears would heart from the silence. best 6 months of my life 1194508;1436409638;asciilifeform;^ 1194509;1436409644;trinque;sounds lovely. 1194510;1436409645;The20YearIRCloud;hurt or heart? 1194511;1436409656;The20YearIRCloud;Silence? No wind or animals? 1194512;1436409681;trinque;and the concentration that can be mustered (in my case at least) cannot be matched inside the engine room 1194513;1436409681;phf;The20YearIRCloud: after a bit your start hearing the trees lightly creaking in the wind 1194514;1436409728;The20YearIRCloud;I know on the farm it wasn't really ever quiet, there was always something 1194515;1436409738;The20YearIRCloud;but going from that to the city is very, very hard 1194516;1436409742;asciilifeform;another device that did not exist in the city where i grew up was: the subwoofer 1194517;1436409743;trinque;sure, wind, bugs 1194518;1436409752;trinque;but things your mind is quite used to 1194519;1436409762;decimation;asciilifeform: especially mobile ones? 1194520;1436409765;asciilifeform;any kind 1194521;1436409773;phf;The20YearIRCloud: this was on denali highway which is a kind of a wind tunnel nearby from a glacier. most of it is freezing all the way till mid summer (though i don't know, i spent a winter there) 1194522;1436409788;*;decimation has subwoofers, but attenuates by 30 dB at least 1194523;1436409789;trinque;as opposed to the hiss of hydraulic brakes, blare of horns, rumble of combustion engines 1194524;1436409796;decimation;I find it really annoying to have muddled bass 1194525;1436409797;Vexual;alf had a crystal set 1194526;1436409798;trinque;bugs I can tune out easily 1194527;1436409802;asciilifeform;it isn't even that su didn't know how to make loudspeakers 1194528;1436409816;asciilifeform;but that the idea of turning one on inside a block of flats... 1194529;1436409852;phf;The20YearIRCloud: but when the wind dies down (mornings mostly) it's what i would call dignified solitude. mountains, quiet. lots of interesting people living within 100 mile range :> 1194530;1436409884;The20YearIRCloud;hmm 1194531;1436410104;Vexual;for a day of funk phreakers blowing holes in speakers, a discussion on silence is delicious 1194532;1436410230;phf;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rw9Z6h3DDMo/TrTY5FJydDI/AAAAAAAAG4Y/m-uVqliksdA/s1600/denali%2Bhwy-6.jpg 1194533;1436410230;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dNhE4G ) 1194534;1436410351;Vexual;you'd notice a bear from miles away 1194535;1436410401;Vexual;and the inverse i guess 1194536;1436410493;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193778 << the going rate in that market is a few hundred. 1194537;1436410493;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 20:42:45; bagels7: i'll be your slave for a million dollars on a 5 year basis 1194538;1436410517;mircea_popescu;an' for that matter the "basis" doesn't work like you imagine it does. 1194539;1436410713;Vexual;hey funk i saw clinton play, guy made ozone, ya could smell it 1194540;1436410798;phf;Vexual: kodiak bears stay away mostly. sometimes you get teenage bears looking for trouble, but i've only heard second hand stories 1194541;1436410845;Vexual;what happenis if theres a bear looking for trouble? do you run away? 1194542;1436410852;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193856 << yeah lol, that'll work better than befoar. 1194543;1436410852;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 21:13:37; ascii_field: the other is so that gavin & co. can try to persuade miners to use their turdball 1194544;1436410853;phf;bear mace :) 1194545;1436410878;Vexual;kinda short range ?? 1194546;1436411082;phf;that specific breed of bears is tame. mostly you spook them and they run away, or you stay and wait for them to sniff and leave. after a few encounters like that the idea of macing a bear from close range doesn't seem particularly disconcerting 1194547;1436411128;funkenstein_;Vexual, awesome :) where was the show? 1194548;1436411142;Vexual;bluesfest byron bay 1194549;1436411161;funkenstein_;were you singing? 1194550;1436411176;Vexual;no, i din't even yell out 1194551;1436411221;funkenstein_;lol yeah right 1194552;1436411224;funkenstein_;this year? 1194553;1436411231;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193867 >> pretty much. reddit being shut out of bitcoin is a sign of bitcoin working correctly. 1194554;1436411231;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 21:17:35; ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them 1194555;1436411234;Vexual;few years back, i forget 1194556;1436411254;mircea_popescu;reddit then creating a new dogecoin to serve its perceived needs is a sign of reddit staying reddit, which is top say fucktarded and unable to learn from its mistakes. 1194557;1436411273;mircea_popescu;this is a necessity, given that reddit simply is "that collection of people at the age and level of stupidity of a redditard" 1194558;1436411288;mircea_popescu;so, whatever, dogecon, keisercoin, auroracoin, gavincoin, blablacoin, let the kids have fun 1194559;1436411311;funkenstein_;better than playing video games 1194560;1436411327;funkenstein_;well, mostly ;) 1194561;1436411332;mircea_popescu;the shitty videogames they have now, for sure. 1194562;1436411347;mircea_popescu;also better than watching vr mj or whatever it is emi puts out 1194563;1436411378;funkenstein_;reminds me, showed girl b-a channel yesterday. respones, wow cool.. people chat online who aren't just trying to get laid? 1194564;1436411406;mircea_popescu;lol how did she meet you ? 1194565;1436411426;funkenstein_;er, you got me there 1194566;1436411475;mircea_popescu;who else has she met ? :D 1194567;1436411589;funkenstein_;one never knows, could be more but not so few as indicating severe problems 1194568;1436411701;mod6;height=363734 << wedged here for ~2 hours. 1194569;1436411728;mod6;I don't see any attempt to reorg... but i'm gonna increase the db locks * 2 and see if that changes anything. 1194570;1436411758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194085 << svg is svg yo. not had to fix that part 1194571;1436411758;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 00:53:52; asciilifeform: at least 10% of the page should be occupied by letters. 1194572;1436411777;mircea_popescu;mod6 iirc asciilifeform saw the same wedge spot for a bit. 1194573;1436411794;mod6;yeah, im fairly sure that he did. 1194574;1436411828;mod6;asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period? 1194575;1436411911;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194155 << unreliably. maybe they decide to stop. 1194576;1436411911;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 01:17:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193949 << virtually all of them do, however. whether ~i~ choose to run ntp or not does not change the fact that the bulk of the network (including - though i can only suspect! - the mining bulk) does. 1194577;1436411938;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194158 << bitcoin actually has enough power structure to enforce a uniform rejection of usg leap second. 1194578;1436411938;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 01:17:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193950 << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what 1194579;1436411945;mircea_popescu;this is a power not to be neglected in the slightest. 1194580;1436411970;mircea_popescu;it already allows me to publicly mock all sorts of traditional power structures, reject nist, what have you. 1194581;1436412080;decimation;wait, to be anti-leap second is to be pro-'usg controls time' 1194582;1436412104;decimation;the policy becomes 'time is what my clock in my fortress says' not 'what the sun does' 1194583;1436412106;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194169 << i didn't misunderstand it. i simply do not credit it at all, just like i don't credit that an object could be arbitrarily pink but shapeless. 1194584;1436412106;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 01:22:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193979 << mircea_popescu misunderstood my point entirely. which was, that it is possible to have arbitrarily original ideas in, e.g., mathematics, while being certifiably worthless at 'making phriends and influencing people' 1194585;1436412140;mircea_popescu;decimation there is no "sun does" immediately. sun doesn't. what there is, is, "here's what i say the sun does". 1194586;1436412154;decimation;umm okay 1194587;1436412171;mircea_popescu;the original leap second is http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/#selection-229.0-229.213 1194588;1436412172;assbot;This is why medicine is not a liberal profession, but a servile career on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2i8dP ) 1194589;1436412202;BingoBoingo; close enough to drive to seattle shortly, but far enough to not know it << I would not mind life in Duquoin Illinois if I could support myself there. Trains to Chicago and St Louis, bars walkable. Secondary State Fair. Just everything else... ick 1194590;1436412231;decimation;the only reason leap seconds are even a thing is because clocks have become more precise than the sun 1194591;1436412241;funkenstein_;the concept of "fiat time" is interesting. If we are going to think about what is money ourselves instead of believing the guy in the funny hat, should we also do the same when asked what time it is? 1194592;1436412277;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ turtles all the way down. 1194593;1436412292;decimation;funkenstein_: sure, but note that humanity has a pretty solid informal standard going, has for a long time 1194594;1436412297;mircea_popescu;decimation if this facetious "precision" were the point, it wouldn't be t here and t+1 hour a km away. 1194595;1436412304;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194574 << moved the clock. hence the clock thread. 1194596;1436412304;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 03:17:08; mod6: asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period? 1194597;1436412305;mircea_popescu;it's not precision. it's political influence. 1194598;1436412322;BingoBoingo; ... << the going rate in that market is a few hundred. << I read the original message as hope for a winning "ticket" 1194599;1436412325;decimation;okay, if it's political influence, what's the policy? 1194600;1436412331;mircea_popescu;there is no policy. 1194601;1436412339;mircea_popescu;"do what we tell you - it's a useful habit for later" 1194602;1436412343;funkenstein_;decimation, not really.. the adjustments are to sync the cycles together 1194603;1436412344;mircea_popescu;it is. just, wrong source. 1194604;1436412346;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194577 << if mircea_popescu has figured out how to 'reject usg time', i'm all ears. 1194605;1436412346;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 03:18:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194158 << bitcoin actually has enough power structure to enforce a uniform rejection of usg leap second. 1194606;1436412364;decimation;funkenstein_: you mean leap seconds? 1194607;1436412369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if bitcoin nodes agree to any different time, it's rejected. 1194608;1436412376;asciilifeform;how are they to agree ? 1194609;1436412378;mircea_popescu;again, the possibility is here more important than the actuality. 1194610;1436412380;funkenstein_;yeah. the mayans had a better system 1194611;1436412381;mircea_popescu;never you mind. 1194612;1436412385;asciilifeform;we haven't invented the mechanism ! 1194613;1436412394;asciilifeform;'if enemy comes, we will shoot him with death ray' 1194614;1436412396;decimation;funkenstein_: you are confusing calendar and clock 1194615;1436412398;asciilifeform;'what death ray' 1194616;1436412426;mircea_popescu;you've just described "atomic balance" 1194617;1436412432;mircea_popescu;or w/e it's called. 1194618;1436412463;asciilifeform;i described the 'death ray balance' envisioned by tesla. 1194619;1436412475;asciilifeform;who, as far as we know, did not actually have a working electron cannon 1194620;1436412481;asciilifeform;but 'so close' in his own mind. 1194621;1436412494;*;BingoBoingo notes that in most client software not handling leap seconds seems safe http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150628132834 1194622;1436412495;assbot;Handling Leap Seconds the OpenBSD Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2iq4n ) 1194623;1436412504;mircea_popescu;no, the thing they spent a trillion to build missiles and subs 1194624;1436412546;decimation;there are three important periodic behaviours. the orbit of the earth about the sun, (lesser - moon about the earth), the rotation of the earth about its axis, and the vibration of cesium atoms. leap seconds syncronise earth's rotation with cesium. calendar synchronizes earth's rotation with its orbit 1194625;1436412552;BingoBoingo; the only reason leap seconds are even a thing is because clocks have become more precise than the sun << No, it is because Sun and Cesium disagree 1194626;1436412572;asciilifeform;decimation: vibrations of atom don't come with indices. nor do sunrises. 1194627;1436412577;asciilifeform;is this such a difficult concept ? 1194628;1436412580;decimation;nope, nor do years 1194629;1436412583;asciilifeform;aha 1194630;1436412587;decimation;it's not to me 1194631;1436412589;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194235 << i really don't think that's the primary mission for it 1194632;1436412589;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 01:34:14; asciilifeform: not from under the bed of the gurlz mircea_popescu picks up and pogopregnates 1194633;1436412619;funkenstein_;decimation, you miss the long cycle, but thanks for the distinction between leap second and leap year 1194634;1436412628;decimation;yet, I can use cesium to predict sunrises and use sunrises to predict cesium 1194635;1436412640;asciilifeform;i must confess that i'm not 100% clear on the primary mission. but did have the distinct impression that it involves making use of net jacks that don't have literate and attentive humans attached to them 1194636;1436412698;mircea_popescu;the idea was to make use of net jacks in people's houses 1194637;1436412700;mircea_popescu;~people~s. 1194638;1436412706;decimation;if we were to ditch leap seconds, I would need to know the 'current delta' to predict cesium from sunrises and vice versa 1194639;1436412718;*;BingoBoingo watches "Gladiator(2000)" for the first time. Damn the Nordic system sucks. 1194640;1436412721;mircea_popescu;"so you'd like to learn more about bitcoin ? here's a pogo and here's a webpage, make it work" 1194641;1436412743;asciilifeform;and what of cuckoldry ? 1194642;1436412764;asciilifeform;ethernet jack in broom closet ? 1194643;1436412766;decimation;"Step one: configure an accurate ntp server. if you don't know how to check the time, ask your parents" 1194644;1436412770;asciilifeform;that's where $20 pogo really shines 1194645;1436412781;*;asciilifeform head-desks 1194646;1436412827;decimation;or alternatively "Step one: after booting, ensure the pogo has acquired accurate time" 1194647;1436412871;decimation;asciilifeform does have a good point, it seems like a 'sealed system' would have a wider application 1194648;1436412888;asciilifeform;the ~only~ advantage pogo has over pc 1194649;1436412912;asciilifeform;is that you can stuff it in broom closet, camouflage with old bum rags, get on motorcycle and never see the place again. 1194650;1436412944;decimation;better yet, build one in the shape of a power strip (with wifi) and install in local starbucks 1194651;1436412961;asciilifeform;sorta like what aaron swartz went around doing before he was hanged 1194652;1436412975;asciilifeform;decimation: no upnp in starbucks 1194653;1436412979;asciilifeform;gotta have that external 8333 1194654;1436412988;decimation;yeah that's a major sticking point 1194655;1436412995;decimation;upnp hardly works anywhere 1194656;1436413002;decimation;other than as an orifice 1194657;1436413011;asciilifeform;the most problematic aspect, possibly 1194658;1436413019;asciilifeform;i suspect that perhaps 1 in 5 pogos will actually run 1194659;1436413024;asciilifeform;solely on account of this 1194660;1436413110;decimation;you might be able to hijack "STUN" servers meant for sip 1194661;1436413118;decimation;but they might only tunnel udp 1194662;1436413130;asciilifeform;lol, fat lot of good that does. 1194663;1436413147;BingoBoingo;By argument via Hollywood /me has no idea how Romans beat Spartans to conquer Greece 1194664;1436413182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.00056898 = 7.2898 BTC [-] 1194665;1436413219;decimation;http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/interactive-connectivity-establishment 1194666;1436413220;assbot;Interactive Connectivity Establishment | Internet Society ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cqdong ) 1194667;1436413249;decimation;https://code.google.com/p/rfc5766-turn-server/ 1194668;1436413250;assbot; rfc5766-turn-server - High-performance free open source TURN and STUN Server implementation. VoIP media traffic NAT traversal and gateway. TURN client library included. - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqdsDz ) 1194669;1436413261;decimation;^ would create a choke point of course 1194670;1436413267;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as i said, this wasn't to my mind related to the p2p relay thing 1194671;1436413273;asciilifeform;umm let's ~not~ tunnel through microshit ?? 1194672;1436413283;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha i know 1194673;1436413297;mircea_popescu;we will never have enough of these to simply throw away either 1194674;1436413299;mircea_popescu;you realise 1194675;1436413305;asciilifeform;throw away, no 1194676;1436413307;mircea_popescu;this is a $100 dollar gift, why make it to idiots. 1194677;1436413314;asciilifeform;deploy in places where pc cannot work - yes 1194678;1436413334;mircea_popescu;well, an item has the advantage that it can be used as it can be used, rather than as can be intended. 1194679;1436413335;asciilifeform;also 'never say never' 1194680;1436413347;mircea_popescu;but the idea throughout, at least in my head, was to have something to give new bloods 1194681;1436413362;asciilifeform;at some point i ~will~ locate the pieces to make something like pogo en masse 1194682;1436413396;asciilifeform;hell, 'hootoo' would be it right now if we could sit down in 32m. 1194683;1436413415;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194264 << eh get out. 1194684;1436413415;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 01:40:33; asciilifeform: this is realistic, because nothing but pogo will seriously fail if this were done 1194685;1436413469;asciilifeform;i'll bite. what else will perma-wedge if usg clock moves 2h into the past for a day ? 1194686;1436413489;asciilifeform;it can be passed off as 'botched daylight savings' in my locale 1194687;1436413521;decimation;bank, local merchant shop cash register, games, winblowz, local govt, etc 1194688;1436413532;asciilifeform;winblows - reboot as always 1194689;1436413533;decimation;and that's the unimportant shit 1194690;1436413539;asciilifeform;merchant shop - fails every other day 1194691;1436413547;mircea_popescu;decimation: what usg agency would perform this work domestically? asciilifeform:at&t. << top kek 1194692;1436413550;decimation;what do trains, planes rely on? 1194693;1436413556;asciilifeform;all of it is reparable because it customarily breaks every morning six times before breakfast 1194694;1436413565;asciilifeform;like all of fiatworld 1194695;1436413572;asciilifeform;esp on winblowz 1194696;1436413575;mircea_popescu;you're moving your goalposts asciilifeform 1194697;1436413580;asciilifeform;? 1194698;1436413589;mircea_popescu;yes the shop fails every other day. 1194699;1436413592;mircea_popescu;it still would fail. 1194700;1436413608;asciilifeform;btw this is not uncommon where i live 1194701;1436413630;asciilifeform;quite often 'creditcard machine ain't working today. but we dusted off this carbon paper and press...' 1194702;1436413670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8888 @ 0.00056898 = 5.0571 BTC [-] 1194703;1436413679;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194389 << argentine govt does exactly same stupid failure mode bs 1194704;1436413679;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 02:13:37; asciilifeform: the coasts are where usg hands out payola. 1194705;1436413682;asciilifeform;at any rate, down in the log, i point out that it would be absolutely trivial to serve diddled ntp solely to known btc nodess. 1194706;1436413686;mircea_popescu;borrows in europe, distributes loot to people in capital 1194707;1436413697;asciilifeform;where else? in pampas, to the pampas cats? 1194708;1436413698;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do these schmucks need as much as a cigarette butt ? 1194709;1436413703;mircea_popescu;give it to the people going deeply inside. 1194710;1436413707;decimation;I think "absolutely trivial" is a bit of an overstatement 1194711;1436413710;mircea_popescu;that way you won't lose wars with fucking peri 1194712;1436413712;mircea_popescu;peru* 1194713;1436413724;asciilifeform;l0l! 1194714;1436413730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. like the us did it back when it mattered. 1194715;1436413740;mircea_popescu;50 acres and a mule, if you swear to never go to town 1194716;1436413756;asciilifeform;that was before monsanto and winblowz-traktor 1194717;1436413757;asciilifeform;aha 1194718;1436413770;mircea_popescu;they wanna be independent 1194719;1436413778;mircea_popescu;and "patria doesn't give blowjobs" bs 1194720;1436413783;decimation;those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today 1194721;1436413830;mircea_popescu;one of the lulziest electroal slogans here (in the line of "podremos vivir mejor", of course) was... "hay mas futuro" 1194722;1436413835;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1194723;1436413836;mircea_popescu;hipster country. 1194724;1436413855;mircea_popescu;who the fuck even comes up with this shit. "there's future left" 1194725;1436413866;decimation;sounds like an obamaism 1194726;1436413867;asciilifeform;'no there isn't' 1194727;1436413878;decimation;"we are the ones we have been waiting for" 1194728;1436413925;decimation;"things are getting better comrades" 1194729;1436413969;mircea_popescu;"that's not the plumber in your mother's bedroom" 1194730;1436413973;mircea_popescu;actually this could be a film. 1194731;1436413976;asciilifeform;http://image1.thematicnews.com/uploads/topics/preview/00/01/24/91/a5825d35bb.jpg 1194732;1436413977;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2jLbs ) 1194733;1436414121;decimation;asciilifeform: what does it say? 1194734;1436414156;asciilifeform;'living's become better, living's become merrier' 1194735;1436414164;asciilifeform;famously attributed to stalin circa '37 1194736;1436414199;decimation;heh yeah 1194737;1436414236;mircea_popescu;well... keynesian logic. if consumption drives production then clearly the economy's never been ion a better shape 1194738;1436414296;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194583 << would like to see this expanded if mircea_popescu has time. 1194739;1436414296;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 03:21:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194169 << i didn't misunderstand it. i simply do not credit it at all, just like i don't credit that an object could be arbitrarily pink but shapeless. 1194740;1436414454;*;asciilifeform bbl 1194741;1436414985;Vexual;so if we have sealevel sattelites that don't move... 1194742;1436415247;BingoBoingo;Fuck, in Gladiator (2000) there are plain tire tracks on the cravel roads 1194743;1436415264;Vexual;!g filipino black eyed peas 1194744;1436415283;Vexual;;;g filipino 1194745;1436415283;gribble;Error: "g" is not a valid command. 1194746;1436415323;BingoBoingo; those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today << Please point me to 50 US acres that are truly abadon. No "owner" no renter, no Sheriff. 1194747;1436415336;Vexual;you mean like a cinemagraphical error? 1194748;1436415359;BingoBoingo;Especially the last point because sheriff usually enforces abadon remaining verboten 1194749;1436415368;BingoBoingo;Vexual: More like lazy cinema 1194750;1436415384;Vexual;the eyes have it 1194751;1436415667;decimation;BingoBoingo: there's plenty of 'wasteland' out west 1194752;1436415674;decimation;but certainly has sheriff 1194753;1436415702;BingoBoingo;WHich is problem. Even if you shoot sheriff, there exists deputy 1194754;1436415709;funkenstein_;sheriff shows up sometime after you put something valuable there 1194755;1436415768;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Nah, they don't want hippies, chase away merely warm bodies 1194756;1436415819;*;funkenstein_ recalls being woken "can't sleep here" on various travels 1194757;1436415920;BingoBoingo;Anecdotally Urban US squats safer than rural US squats 1194758;1436415957;funkenstein_;read my mind; i was just going to ask about when will squat culture arise 1194759;1436416301;BingoBoingo;Squat conture arised in USia 60 years ago 1194760;1436416354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00057357 = 3.212 BTC [+] 1194761;1436416358;funkenstein_;somehow it appears stronger in continental europe 1194762;1436416441;funkenstein_;could also be who i was rolling with at the time 1194763;1436416536;funkenstein_;1950s eh? 1194764;1436416756;BingoBoingo;Continental Europe had a head start 1194765;1436416769;BingoBoingo;See Christiantown 1194766;1436417322;decimation;I'm watching a youtube of some uk guy who decided to hop freight trains in canada 1194767;1436417344;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-FYjiGEtsU 1194768;1436417345;assbot;Brave Dave's Canadian Catch Out - Freight Train Hopping In Canada - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgHJF2 ) 1194769;1436417436;decimation;he decides to be a hobo for fun I guess 1194770;1436418916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00057362 = 28.2795 BTC [+] {2} 1194771;1436418977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5589 @ 0.00057586 = 3.2185 BTC [+] 1194772;1436424625;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2623&pr=1 1194773;1436424626;assbot;JL: Being Joe’s Bitch ... ( http://bit.ly/1eI4MO8 ) 1194774;1436425138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00057586 = 2.8793 BTC [+] {2} 1194775;1436425870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27914 @ 0.00057778 = 16.1282 BTC [+] {4} 1194776;1436425931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3136 @ 0.00057877 = 1.815 BTC [+] 1194777;1436426541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00056751 = 12.2015 BTC [-] {2} 1194778;1436427334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22641 @ 0.00056664 = 12.8293 BTC [-] 1194779;1436429530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00056072 = 3.0279 BTC [-] {2} 1194780;1436430868;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/user/Bitcoin_SS <<< rofl this is the funniest shit evah 1194781;1436430870;assbot;overview for Bitcoin_SS ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqIyLv ) 1194782;1436431203;punkman;not bad 1194783;1436431270;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194359 so there should be plenty examples of usg diddling a traffic on the backbone, could you please post one? 1194784;1436431270;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 01:59:04; asciilifeform: and this kind of dull, mechanistic diddlage is precisely what usg specializes in 1194785;1436431276;jurov;shiffing, yes. 1194786;1436431285;jurov;*sniffing 1194787;1436431326;jurov;but actively intercepting and replacing individual packets is much more complicated effort 1194788;1436431353;jurov;so far only china managed that with any degree of success 1194789;1436431427;BingoBoingo;shinohai: If you must link to reddit no np.reddit links, for they are a trap to preserve their platform 1194790;1436431452;jurov;and it needs so much manpower that someone from "terrorist-packets-on-backbone-diddling-dept." would already spill the beans 1194791;1436431474;shinohai;I fergotI forgot i was laughing so hard BingoBoingo 1194792;1436431493;shinohai;It is EXACTLY like them 1194793;1436431740;jurov;say, let's put time.windows.com or google's addy among there and make the occassional packet look like systemd or windows emit 1194794;1436431766;jurov;what is usg to do? risk diddling time on throngs of linux/windows machines? 1194795;1436431806;jurov;or try to precisely pinpoint which packet is from pogo and which is from other machines? 1194796;1436431884;jurov;or make buth m$/google move the servers to different IPs? no way that wouldn't get noticed, actually would be useful signal for us 1194797;1436432424;punkman;BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2623&pr=1 << is that part of a series or one-off? 1194798;1436432425;assbot;JL: Being Joe’s Bitch ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqLsQ9 ) 1194799;1436432434;BingoBoingo;punkman: Both? 1194800;1436433678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2013 @ 0.00056826 = 1.1439 BTC [+] 1194801;1436434349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00056826 = 8.5807 BTC [+] 1194802;1436435813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13143 @ 0.00056455 = 7.4199 BTC [-] {2} 1194803;1436435861;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/08/silvio-berlusconi-sentenced-to-3-years-for-bribing-italian-senator 1194804;1436435862;assbot;Silvio Berlusconi sentenced to 3 years for bribing Italian senator | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqY7mJ ) 1194805;1436435874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11917 @ 0.00055623 = 6.6286 BTC [-] 1194806;1436435911;punkman;"Berlusconi, 78, will not have to serve the sentence as the statute of limitations expires later this year, well before a final ruling will have been reached on appeal." 1194807;1436436118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40689 @ 0.00056581 = 23.0222 BTC [+] {3} 1194808;1436436606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4917 @ 0.00055282 = 2.7182 BTC [-] {2} 1194809;1436436850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.0005789 = 2.5761 BTC [+] 1194810;1436437704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00055098 = 5.4817 BTC [-] {2} 1194811;1436437765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48629 @ 0.00054501 = 26.5033 BTC [-] {4} 1194812;1436442025;punkman;http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228440.700-dotdashdiss-the-gentleman-hackers-1903-lulz.html 1194813;1436442026;assbot;Dot-dash-diss: The gentleman hacker's 1903 lulz - tech - 27 December 2011 - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaI79R ) 1194814;1436442523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00055023 = 8.1709 BTC [+] 1194815;1436443194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00054715 = 3.2282 BTC [-] 1194816;1436445634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00055492 = 11.2649 BTC [+] {2} 1194817;1436446274;thestringpuller;;;later tell mircea_popescu On Qntra you said, "This is a resource war and you people are poor." Well some poor redditard was venting this morning and in his rage said, "I wish I had the money to...do xyz". Ironic how denial turns to anger, almost like stages of grief. 1194818;1436446274;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1194819;1436446396;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cnobx/regarding_raising_the_1mb_block_size_limit_just/ << for those interested in some more "hard fork lulz" 1194820;1436446706;punkman;"I wish I had the money to setup enough miners myself to get 95% hashing power and just freaking fork already." 1194821;1436446879;shinohai;rofl 1194822;1436446915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00056266 = 4.5013 BTC [+] {2} 1194823;1436446917;punkman;yeah because people are gonna stay on your stupid fork of course 1194824;1436447542;punkman;https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitfury 1194825;1436447543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HhPSrH ) 1194826;1436448942;shinohai;np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3cnw86/bitcoiners_throws_temper_tantrum_as_miners_fail/ 1194827;1436448996;kakobrekla;1 hour 52 minutes ago974.7 kB ? 1194828;1436449416;jurov;;;bc,tslb 1194829;1436449417;gribble;Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command. 1194830;1436449423;jurov;;;tslb 1194831;1436449430;gribble;Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. 1194832;1436449599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83123 @ 0.00054175 = 45.0319 BTC [-] {2} 1194833;1436451002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12668 @ 0.00054166 = 6.8617 BTC [-] 1194834;1436452039;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3co3x5/safello_now_buys_4611_sek_and_sells_at_2388_sek/ 1194835;1436452040;assbot;Safello now buys @ 4611 SEK and sells at 2388 SEK per Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NR5VOT ) 1194836;1436452110;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/PHjb0ah.png 1194837;1436452111;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NR66d4 ) 1194838;1436452588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00054166 = 2.2782 BTC [-] 1194839;1436453145;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194783 << 'quantuminsert' and 'ferretcannon', just off the top of my head (from the snowden papers) 1194840;1436453145;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 08:41:10; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194359 so there should be plenty examples of usg diddling a traffic on the backbone, could you please post one? 1194841;1436453169;asciilifeform;iirc there were other 'postbox names' in there, amounting to the same idea 1194842;1436453286;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194795 << feed diddled ntp to ~known public bitcoin nodes~. 1194843;1436453286;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 08:50:06; jurov: or try to precisely pinpoint which packet is from pogo and which is from other machines? 1194844;1436453321;asciilifeform;it won't happen every day, naturally. just when 'national s333k000r1ty' requires a stinkbomb dropped on the network - to keep a certain tx from getting relayed, say 1194845;1436453327;jurov;how do you know ntp is from the bitcoin node and not from other machine on the same network? 1194846;1436453346;asciilifeform;naturally, you don't 1194847;1436453381;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/us/south-carolina-representative-jenny-anderson-horne-flag-speech.html < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1025531 1194848;1436453384;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1gq7gBU ) 1194849;1436453384;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2015 03:34:05; mircea_popescu: In addition, anti-fascism was never to have as cheap as today. Previously, he could cost you your life, today it costs no more than lip service among peers - and heard to this, the exclusive circle of the upright, decent, brave. The fighters against law form the peerage of enlightened society. Or even a shot polemical: Here is an indulgence trade takes place; the moral superiority can be acquired sim 1194850;1436453384;asciilifeform;i can envision other scenarios 1194851;1436453385;jurov;so, instruct chumps "scream if you notice weird time" 1194852;1436453435;asciilifeform;we launch the pogos, and suddenly 'ntp is obsolete, dontchaknow,' here is a new replacement by poettering, 85% consensus1111!!!1111!!! within weeks, plug pulled on ntp servers 1194853;1436453458;decimation;asciilifeform: read the description of room 641a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A 1194854;1436453459;assbot;Room 641A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1gq7okT ) 1194855;1436453470;asciilifeform;jurov: idea is that no one will 'notice weird time', nodes will just silently drift off the network 1194856;1436453471;decimation;reportedly it was a passive beam splitter 1194857;1436453484;decimation;how you gonna delay packets with that 1194858;1436453514;asciilifeform;decimation: i can't comment on what's in the other '641a's. 1194859;1436453519;asciilifeform;or for that matter, in the original 1194860;1436453529;asciilifeform;(today, that is) 1194861;1436453530;jurov;asciilifeform: and my idea is that pogos will be together with other computers behind the NAT 1194862;1436453552;jurov;and these other computers can server as canary, users *do* notice time off by hour 1194863;1436453625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00054579 = 13.0171 BTC [+] {2} 1194864;1436453647;asciilifeform;jurov: gotta understand, my allergy to ntp is more of a 'reason from causes, not from purposes'-theorem application 1194865;1436453661;asciilifeform;than dread of a specific boojum 1194866;1436453676;jurov;if it is not specific, how it can be a cause? 1194867;1436453682;asciilifeform;i believe that it is wrong for a large network of bitcoin nodes to depend on a usg institution. 1194868;1436453695;asciilifeform;i am only dreaming up specifics because asked to 1194869;1436453709;asciilifeform;since everybody seems to insist on doing mental gymnastics to come to peace with using ntp 1194870;1436453726;jurov;and i keep telling you they already do cuz internet *is* usg institution 1194871;1436453775;asciilifeform;once 'gossip' is running, the only thing enemy will be able to do is pull plugs 1194872;1436453791;jurov;jam tomorrow 1194873;1436453795;asciilifeform;so in that sense it is 'usg institution' in exactly the way my house, and my earthly carcass, are 1194874;1436453827;asciilifeform;jurov: the particular example, 'gossip', ~is~ jam tomorrow, yes. but it is possible to run encrypted tunnels of various sorts even today. 1194875;1436453834;asciilifeform;enemy is stuck pulling plugs. 1194876;1436453858;asciilifeform;ntp, on other hand, is a pants-down unauthenticated plaintext (for reasons explained previously, this cannot really be helped) 1194877;1436453967;jurov;we're stuck with ntp since you rejected everything other short of bitcoin reimplementation 1194878;1436454019;jurov;if we agree to ship with pogos also 100 of authed ntp servers, I'm all for it 1194879;1436454028;asciilifeform;jurov: probably 1194880;1436454033;jurov;(provide, i mean) 1194881;1436454044;asciilifeform;gotta think of a way to sanity-check it 1194882;1436454104;jurov;just that in your scenario of hostile isp and everything, they will be yet more easy to block than time.windows.com 1194883;1436454138;asciilifeform;hence sanity-check rather than reliance 1194884;1436454148;jurov;aha 1194885;1436454216;asciilifeform;i've also thought about personally retrofitting the pogos with the crystals 1194886;1436454268;asciilifeform;(it also needs a capacitor or li battery on the power input to the rtc) 1194887;1436454321;asciilifeform;could probably do several hundred in a weekend, if they were sent to me disassembled 1194888;1436454415;asciilifeform;i also learned last night that chinese rtc modules, complete with battery, are about fifty cents in quantity 1194889;1436454422;asciilifeform;can be attached to the gpio in pogo 1194890;1436454450;asciilifeform;http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-New-RTC-DS1302-Real-Time-Clock-Module-For-AVR-ARM-PIC-SMD-Arduino-Y5RP-/311396590299 << example 1194891;1436454452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gq98dW ) 1194892;1436454495;asciilifeform;these clocks would still have to be ~set~, but it can be done en masse, once. 1194893;1436454552;decimation;it could be altuh 1194894;1436454563;decimation;~. 1194895;1436454566;asciilifeform;? 1194896;1436454624;decimation;sorry tmux died 1194897;1436454635;asciilifeform;incidentally, if anybody feels up to falling on this grenade with me, please speak up 1194898;1436454650;decimation;asciilifeform: are there specs for the rtc modules? specifically thermal stability? 1194899;1436454665;asciilifeform;decimation: not afaik. probably best to assume the worst. 1194900;1436454696;asciilifeform;but overall i'm much less allergic to the idea of letting ntp adjust a running clock by a percent now and then 1194901;1436454710;asciilifeform;than straight intravenous injection from ntp into a machine with no clock to speak of 1194902;1436454729;decimation;aye 1194903;1436455128;lobbes;heh, we need a b-a factory. 1194904;1436455168;asciilifeform;lobbes: we don't even have a b-a restaurant yet. 1194905;1436455446;kakobrekla;i have a soldering station, but no pogos. 1194906;1436455521;kakobrekla;or the need for one. can service others in yurop i guess. 1194907;1436456485;williamdunne;Cheap Romanian labour for #b-a factory? 1194908;1436456684;punkman;http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/woman-staged-rape-scene-with-knife-vodka-called--/article_9295bdbe-167c-11e5-b6eb-07d1288cc937.html 1194909;1436456685;assbot;Woman staged 'rape' scene with knife, vodka, called 9-1-1, police say - LancasterOnline: Local News ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqZ83K ) 1194910;1436456708;punkman;"However, a Fitbit device Risley was wearing told a different story, the affidavit shows. The device, which monitors a person’s activity and sleep, showed Risley was awake and walking around at the time she claimed she was sleeping." 1194911;1436456849;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yeawell... 1194912;1436456862;punkman;http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150709.txt 1194913;1436456863;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhYXSF ) 1194914;1436456986;asciilifeform;punkman: lulziez! 1194915;1436456996;asciilifeform;why is anyone using that thing again...? 1194916;1436457085;mircea_popescu;because bitcoin uses it 1194917;1436457100;asciilifeform;not the cert crud 1194918;1436457121;mircea_popescu;people don't know. "openssl" right ? 1194919;1436457133;mircea_popescu;"During certificate verification, OpenSSL (starting from version 1.0.1n and 1.0.2b) will attempt to find an alternative certificate chain if the first attempt to build such a chain fails. An error in the implementation of this logic can mean that an attacker could cause certain checks on untrusted certificates to be bypassed, such as the CA flag, enabling them to use a valid leaf certificate to act as a CA and "issue" 1194920;1436457133;mircea_popescu;an invalid certificate." 1194921;1436457133;asciilifeform;(though it's been a while since i looked at the turdation's tree - perhaps they do ?) 1194922;1436457165;mircea_popescu;and yet, "we do not feel compelled to denounce the person who added this hole in our codebase, and call for a boycott from everyone on it against their sorry ass. because, fundamentally... it's us." 1194923;1436457194;asciilifeform;who else. 1194924;1436457197;asciilifeform;not martians, no. 1194925;1436457212;mircea_popescu;"As per our previous announcements and our Release Strategy (https://www.openssl.org/about/releasestrat.html), support for OpenSSL versions 1.0.0 and 0.9.8 will cease on 31st December 2015. No security updates for these releases will be provided after that date. Users of these releases are advised to upgrade." 1194926;1436457216;mircea_popescu;non sequitur prize of the year. 1194927;1436457242;mircea_popescu;"we will stop deliberately adding holes to these versions aftyer this date, and you are please asked to upgrade because we won't be sending patches a quarter afterwards, either" 1194928;1436457242;mircea_popescu;herp. 1194929;1436457250;mircea_popescu;DO NOT EVER FUCKING UPGRADE ANYTHING. 1194930;1436457265;mircea_popescu;that way, you won't need "security patches" in the first place. 1194931;1436457306;asciilifeform;incidentally, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191327 << this thread fell through the cracks, i think 1194932;1436457306;assbot;Logged on 07-07-2015 17:37:15; trinque: https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/201507-04 1194933;1436457311;asciilifeform;relates. 1194934;1436457325;mircea_popescu;you may be the only one here seriously following gentoo. 1194935;1436457345;asciilifeform;it isn't a gentoo-specific thing 1194936;1436457346;asciilifeform;unfortunately 1194937;1436457354;asciilifeform;it is in ~EVERYTHING THAT USES UNICODE~ 1194938;1436457359;asciilifeform;more or less. 1194939;1436457422;mircea_popescu;guess that wasn't apparent. 1194940;1436457425;asciilifeform;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedrib/PoC/master/generic/i-c-u-fail.txt 1194941;1436457426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fr1Kie ) 1194942;1436457429;asciilifeform;^ proof of concept 1194943;1436457437;asciilifeform;or wait, no 1194944;1436457443;asciilifeform;just the raw animal 1194945;1436457445;mircea_popescu;Workaround There is no known workaround at this time. 1194946;1436457456;mircea_popescu;yes there ios a known workaround. has been known since 1985. FUCK UNICODE. 1194947;1436457466;shinohai;whelp I hve a pogo now. A blank canvas, if you will. 1194948;1436457478;mircea_popescu;shinohai wd. follow danielpbarron's instructions 1194949;1436457478;*;shinohai graciously thanks mats again ... 1194950;1436457486;mircea_popescu;!rated mats 1194951;1436457486;assbot;You rated user mats on 08-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Lotta paralegal work on http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/. 1194952;1436457531;mircea_popescu;!rate mats 2 http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 ; helping people get pogos, stuff. 1194953;1436457531;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1be7db6ba38c2aa6 1194954;1436457532;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fr25Bn ) 1194955;1436457551;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mats.2:69e8f3590c3e3179d8606f89cade86164889b7457861391f4944b9ffca387e6d 1194956;1436457551;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mats from 1 to 2 with note: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 ; helping people get pogos, stuff. 1194957;1436457557;mircea_popescu;!rated lobbes 1194958;1436457557;assbot;You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory.... 1194959;1436457572;mircea_popescu;!rate lobbes 2 #eulora logs bot 1194960;1436457572;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8d485e72deea6e0b 1194961;1436457578;shinohai;I am sorry to report that I have not yet received an email from trilema with a deposit addy 1194962;1436457593;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.lobbes.2:81f948807d830af41e59c4726108dd6ddae1f995b52730f156735b2897c1a68b 1194963;1436457593;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for lobbes from 1 to 2 with note: #eulora logs bot 1194964;1436457599;mircea_popescu;shinohai spam filters ? 1194965;1436457603;mircea_popescu;!rated danielpbarron 1194966;1436457603;assbot;You rated user danielpbarron on 29-Jul-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Logician in charge of logistics.. 1194967;1436457615;shinohai;I dunno. I get the dev mailing list. 1194968;1436457639;shinohai;but not trilema, and nothing in spam folder so i dunno :/ 1194969;1436457662;shinohai;I could send to deedbot or something? 1194970;1436457688;mircea_popescu;lemme send you an email now and we see. addy ? 1194971;1436457694;mircea_popescu;(pm if you want) 1194972;1436457834;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJe3A19W8AA9DgO.png:large 1194973;1436457835;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mi1Enb ) 1194974;1436458017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00055059 = 1.2113 BTC [+] 1194975;1436458032;mircea_popescu;whassat punkman ? 1194976;1436458046;mircea_popescu;the dram thing ? 1194977;1436458052;punkman;javascript corrupting memory 1194978;1436458088;mircea_popescu;http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com.ar/2015/03/exploiting-dram-rowhammer-bug-to-gain.html 1194979;1436458089;assbot;Project Zero: Exploiting the DRAM rowhammer bug to gain kernel privileges ... ( http://bit.ly/1fr43lp ) 1194980;1436458095;mircea_popescu;for background 1194981;1436458100;*;asciilifeform remembers very well 1194982;1436458456;shinohai;Not seeing my drive :/ 1194983;1436458488;asciilifeform;shinohai: what are you running ? 1194984;1436458510;shinohai;Busybox on pogo mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/usb failed: Invalid argument 1194985;1436458531;asciilifeform;what's on the drive ? 1194986;1436458565;shinohai;nothing 1194987;1436458581;asciilifeform;of course it won't mount 1194988;1436458586;asciilifeform;gotta partition it 1194989;1436458597;punkman;the "spam" is now up to 0.00034513 fee 1194990;1436458640;*;shinohai checks 1194991;1436458705;shinohai;Fer crissakes I forgot to partition fr. 1194992;1436458717;shinohai;But it must wait until sfter lunch. 1194993;1436458722;shinohai;*after 1194994;1436459301;mircea_popescu;shinohai got email ? 1194995;1436459317;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00034513 * 270 1194996;1436459317;gribble;0.0931851 1194997;1436459323;mircea_popescu;10 cents, not bad. 1194998;1436459389;shinohai;got email 1194999;1436459503;asciilifeform;'brother can you spare a dime' 1195000;1436459506;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) 1195001;1436459744;decimation;asciilifeform: www.ebay.com/itm/INBOARD-RTC-DS3232-Real-Time-Clock-and-Temperature-Sensor-I2C-BUS-PIC-AVR-ARM-/120841157983 < hi-spec part 1195002;1436459763;decimation;unlike alot of the other rtcs, the crystal is on-chip and temp compensated 1195003;1436459776;mircea_popescu;that's a spiffy clock. 1195004;1436459793;decimation;my reading of the spec sheet is that combined aging and temperature stability (assuming 0-40C) would be about 8.5 ppm 1195005;1436459803;decimation;which means about 4.5 minutes per year 1195006;1436459811;decimation;for 10 years 1195007;1436459826;mircea_popescu;yeah it's good for a decade, since we have ~2 hours to spare 1195008;1436459828;decimation;likely, the cr1203 battery wouldn't last that log 1195009;1436459840;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised. those damned things... i've had one for a decade. 1195010;1436459866;asciilifeform;i have a 15 yr-old one that's still going 1195011;1436459874;asciilifeform;and i've had ones die after <5 1195012;1436459878;decimation;but as you can see it isn't cheap, the chip is about $9 in single quantity and about $4 in units of 1000 1195013;1436459881;asciilifeform;'your mileage may vary' 1195014;1436459884;mircea_popescu;yeah. like hdds : either dead in six months or good forever. 1195015;1436459897;mircea_popescu;like humans, actually. either die as a youthful ape, or else get cancer, or else... age 150 1195016;1436459940;asciilifeform;decimation: the thing you linked to costs more than pogo... 1195017;1436459946;decimation;I know :( 1195018;1436459949;asciilifeform;may as well suggest atomic 1195019;1436459962;shinohai;I got a really old SATA with debian wheezy on it 1195020;1436459985;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's still a very good clock by the looks of it. 1195021;1436459989;asciilifeform;it is 1195022;1436459994;decimation;unfortunately the really cheap ($1) rtcs available do not come with specs, it would be interesting to know what they are 1195023;1436459995;asciilifeform;probably better than most pc mobos 1195024;1436460000;decimation;yes, it certainly is 1195025;1436460001;mircea_popescu;definitely. 1195026;1436460020;decimation;also I'm not sure if pogo has i2c bus 1195027;1436460026;mircea_popescu;iirc - no. 1195028;1436460028;asciilifeform;l0l i think ~it~ is on my mobo 1195029;1436460036;asciilifeform;the very same 1195030;1436460042;mircea_popescu;maybe on the better ones 1195031;1436460067;asciilifeform;highest end amd mobo of ~8 yrs ago 1195032;1436460073;decimation;asciilifeform: you can configure ntp to ignore the network and use RTC 1195033;1436460084;mircea_popescu;i don't expect technologee changed these much since the 90s 1195034;1436460087;asciilifeform;decimation: what good does that do ? 1195035;1436460099;decimation;you set rtc, usg doesn't set your clock? 1195036;1436460109;asciilifeform;then why ntp 1195037;1436460112;mircea_popescu;he doesn't want to set anything 1195038;1436460119;decimation;to discipline the kernel timebase 1195039;1436460119;mircea_popescu;he just wants things to do shit! 1195040;1436460149;decimation;likely the rtc has a more stable clock than the 2ghz clock that runs your cpu 1195041;1436460155;asciilifeform;decimation: and can't do this without a proggy that opens sockets ? 1195042;1436460159;asciilifeform;why the fuck not ? 1195043;1436460172;mircea_popescu;moar unpnp ? :D 1195044;1436460184;decimation;well, the advantage that ntp brings is the long-term PLL that gently corrects 1195045;1436460197;decimation;but you could periodically bang the clock 1195046;1436460197;asciilifeform;decimation: i'd have bitcoind snarf time straight from the rtc chip 1195047;1436460199;asciilifeform;why the ceremonies. 1195048;1436460209;decimation;in the case of bitcoind that would work 1195049;1436460217;decimation;for other applications moving the clock around might make them sad 1195050;1436460226;asciilifeform;there are no other proggies on pogo 1195051;1436460228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ready for the will/intelligence discussion ? 1195052;1436460236;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fire away 1195053;1436460250;*;decimation back to mines 1195054;1436460250;scoopbot_revived;Eulora News Bulletin of today. http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-news-bulletin-of-today/ 1195055;1436460258;mircea_popescu;me ? you're the one to fire. you proposed pink shapeless. 1195056;1436460272;mircea_popescu;o incidentally. that article ^ prolly interests you 1195057;1436460273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well, the impression i get is that you think 'will' is a scalar 1195058;1436460552;asciilifeform;will is not a scalar. perelman has will, mircea_popescu has will, i have will, and napoleon had will, and comparing magnitudes alone is rank nonsense 1195059;1436460587;mircea_popescu;but that's not where the problem lies. the problem lies at the spot where you propose there exists an "intelligence" that nevertheless does not have control of the processor. 1195060;1436460605;mircea_popescu;if one is purportedly intelligent, how is it then that his brain does not work intelligently ? 1195061;1436460619;asciilifeform;intelligence is 'car,' will is 'driver' 1195062;1436460628;mircea_popescu;then intelligence is no sort of intelligence at all. 1195063;1436460634;mircea_popescu;i dub it "derp" and rename your will intelligence. 1195064;1436460655;asciilifeform;driver sans car sits and makes 'vroom, vroom' noises; car without driver - sits, rusts. 1195065;1436460664;mircea_popescu;for this is the definition of intellectual faculty : the driver. 1195066;1436460669;mircea_popescu;everything else, muscle power. 1195067;1436460743;mircea_popescu;and yes, redditards are not necessarily unintelligent in the sense of derp. 1195068;1436460746;mircea_popescu;they're actually very derpy. 1195069;1436460752;mircea_popescu;problem is they're dumb as rocks, is all. 1195070;1436460790;asciilifeform;other thing is that the meat brain is not a von neumann machine, and has specific circuits for certain problems. it is possible to walk around with those damaged and others - functional 1195071;1436460817;mircea_popescu;so is a guy paralised on half his body half an athlete ? 1195072;1436460832;asciilifeform;if he's an arm wrestling champ ! 1195073;1436460839;asciilifeform;and has his working arm. 1195074;1436460855;mircea_popescu;kinda why arm wrestling is not athletics :) 1195075;1436460868;mircea_popescu;in any case, weren't you bravely accusing ME of viewing things as scalars ? 1195076;1436460877;mircea_popescu;how come they're now divisible with 2. 1195077;1436460931;funkenstein_;there is a special space in the hilbert space of stupidity for those who think intelligence can be well described with a scalar 1195078;1436460942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my contention was that you describe will as a spectrum, perhaps between 'spineless clerk' and 'napoleon' 1195079;1436460952;mircea_popescu;i dun think i do. 1195080;1436460978;mircea_popescu;there is an ennumerable list of people by their intelligence. this usually reduces to sorting them by score 1195081;1436460981;asciilifeform;whereas i contend that it is possible to be 'napoleon' with theorems and 'spineless piece of shit' with girlz 1195082;1436460982;mircea_popescu;and that score is how much money they have. 1195083;1436460984;asciilifeform;or vice-versa 1195084;1436460997;mircea_popescu;only if one WANTS TO 1195085;1436461023;funkenstein_;i have found fiat wealth correlates linearly with a broad integral of stupidity 1195086;1436461024;asciilifeform;well that'd be a kind of perverse but technically correct definition of 'will' 1195087;1436461025;mircea_popescu;"oh it can be the case i can lift rocks but not railroad metal" 1195088;1436461025;mircea_popescu;rly. 1195089;1436461028;asciilifeform;how strong is your 'want muscle' 1195090;1436461042;asciilifeform;it's more of a 'i can lift rocks but not porcupines' 1195091;1436461070;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as they both exist, they both exist. inasmuch as the one you're good at doesn't exist, you're basically wanking. 1195092;1436461090;*;asciilifeform confused 1195093;1436461093;mircea_popescu;the curse of existence is that it is approachable. just like a tool has its uses, irrespective of a maker's intention. 1195094;1436461100;mircea_popescu;everything that is, is. which has some effects. 1195095;1436461123;asciilifeform;which is the item mircea_popescu is describing as not existing? and which - not ? 1195096;1436461137;mircea_popescu;i am doing no such thing. 1195097;1436461154;mircea_popescu;i am merely pointing out that if both things you discuss exist, then both necessarily, by definition of existence, are approachable. 1195098;1436461178;mircea_popescu;this is traditonally pointed out to the shy young male as "you know, even the lady of your heart farts" 1195099;1436461193;mircea_popescu;or whatever, your hero also bleeds, there's a lengthy cultural history of this idealisation problem. 1195100;1436461224;asciilifeform;proof of twin-primes conjecture is also 'approachable' by this token 1195101;1436461233;asciilifeform;in that it is sitting 'there' to be dug up 1195102;1436461237;mircea_popescu;only if it exists :) 1195103;1436461242;mircea_popescu;which atm we do not know. 1195104;1436461251;asciilifeform;it is possible that it does not exist 1195105;1436461255;mircea_popescu;but if it does exist, then yes, it will necessarily be found eventually. 1195106;1436461256;asciilifeform;better example - pluto 1195107;1436461259;asciilifeform;we know where it sits 1195108;1436461262;asciilifeform;come, get. 1195109;1436461265;mircea_popescu;get what ? 1195110;1436461270;asciilifeform;a piece of pluto. 1195111;1436461282;mircea_popescu;so you are saying mining pluto is an impossibility. 1195112;1436461301;mircea_popescu;and why not ceres ? she's just as big! 1195113;1436461309;mircea_popescu;nobody ever thinks of ceres. 1195114;1436461317;asciilifeform;not impossible, but not strictly a matter of 'wanting to' either 1195115;1436461325;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1195116;1436461342;mircea_popescu;and if it were the case the commercial value of piece of pluto ten times exceeded the commercial cost of sending miner ? 1195117;1436461348;mircea_popescu;it'd be mined next week. 1195118;1436461363;mircea_popescu;so no, we currently do not wish to, is all. 1195119;1436461381;asciilifeform;this is logical, but for some reason this scenario did not play out re: bitcoin asics 1195120;1436461383;asciilifeform;why? 1195121;1436461391;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1195122;1436461392;asciilifeform;(afaik, there are still no true asics!) 1195123;1436461403;mircea_popescu;too low margins 1195124;1436461411;mircea_popescu;do the math, sometime. a miner earns 0.2% or some shit. 1195125;1436461428;asciilifeform;partly this is on account of using 'hardcopy fpga' 1195126;1436461431;mircea_popescu;currently foundries are working on .9% 1195127;1436461436;asciilifeform;which is 100% of what is presently sold as 'btcasic' 1195128;1436461441;mircea_popescu;yeah 1195129;1436461458;mircea_popescu;of course, sold != deployed, but the error isn't great. 1195130;1436461463;asciilifeform;partly this is on account of the derpitude of keeping them all in a warehouse, rather than having chumps pay for power 1195131;1436461469;asciilifeform;(as discussed in 2013 here) 1195132;1436461484;mircea_popescu;they are kept in warehouse for same reasdon you want untouched pogo 1195133;1436461489;asciilifeform;but that 0.2% is made of a long list of bad decisions 1195134;1436461493;mircea_popescu;people have this fixed idea that getting others involved is the worst play. 1195135;1436461502;mircea_popescu;it isn't the worst play, but hard to get the notion through. 1195136;1436461517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. chief among them, a poor handling of cooperation. 1195137;1436461527;asciilifeform;aha 1195138;1436461549;asciilifeform;think of what just one backroom cocksucking deal with a major microcontroller maker to include hidden miner would have been worth. 1195139;1436461566;mircea_popescu;~nothing much 1195140;1436461584;asciilifeform;what's the logic here? 1195141;1436461596;mircea_popescu;hard to explain, but i will give the anecdotic. 1195142;1436461614;mircea_popescu;i am not unaware of this possibility, yet i apparently discounted it, preferring a divergent approach. maybe i'm just that dumb. 1195143;1436461634;asciilifeform;(that the hidden boojum would not stay hidden, is a no-brainer. idea would be to exploit the first-mover advantage, naturally) 1195144;1436461648;mircea_popescu;shitty thing to build a life of. 1195145;1436461656;mircea_popescu;you want last-mover advantage. if you can get it. 1195146;1436461665;asciilifeform;life of miner is a life of a soldier, disposable, as mircea_popescu reminded us last night 1195147;1436461676;mircea_popescu;what else has first mover advantage ? making a bitcoin foundation ? 1195148;1436461678;mircea_popescu;they lost. 1195149;1436461679;asciilifeform;l0l 1195150;1436461695;asciilifeform;there is a whole array of strange things that miner builders do, which puzzle me greatly 1195151;1436461696;mircea_popescu;o, wait, that schmucky chick. what was it, chamber of buttsex ? 1195152;1436461718;asciilifeform;i'll name just one (because i am not in the business of handing out free advice to derpatronicists) - 1195153;1436461733;asciilifeform;why the fuck does 'as much has as possible' have to be packed in one die ? 1195154;1436461740;asciilifeform;creates the heat nightmare 1195155;1436461743;mircea_popescu;!up cosmo 1195156;1436461764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're just going through the motions. they don't really know what they're doing, nobodyu sat dowqn and thought things through. 1195157;1436461769;asciilifeform;and it isn't like ten dies would take up unpalatable floor space 1195158;1436461775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it 1195159;1436461779;mircea_popescu;the packing thing is a result of the consumer electronics market 1195160;1436461796;mircea_popescu;they don't understand that if you sell for yourself, and not to put in a desktop, you have diff engineering constraints 1195161;1436461810;asciilifeform;so what i'm saying is, pluto is sitting there, made of priceless unobtainium, and schmucks are schmucking around 1195162;1436461812;mircea_popescu;actually more floor space = better for a short interval at the place they're now. 1195163;1436461863;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and at some point, america teemed with fucktarded savages and nobody came to kill the males and rape the females. 1195164;1436461865;mircea_popescu;sure, nobody did. 1195165;1436461868;mircea_popescu;for... a little bit. 1195166;1436461884;mircea_popescu;and ... nobody will ever again. 1195167;1436461894;mircea_popescu;for... hm. for EVER AND EVER THIS TIME!!11 1195168;1436461900;asciilifeform;8k years was 'a little bit' ? 1195169;1436461904;asciilifeform;i suppose - geologically... 1195170;1436461926;mircea_popescu;iirc the vikings did a little recuntissance 1195171;1436461968;asciilifeform;recuntissance by fire (tm) 1195172;1436462122;asciilifeform;back to the miners, i say that if money were the handy iq test mircea_popescu suggests it is, this kind of situation would be quite impossible. 1195173;1436462132;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ << that's basically the ideology of butthurt. 1195174;1436462147;mircea_popescu;it is drastically unwise to imagine a certificate of intelligence as a sort of consolation prize. 1195175;1436462150;funkenstein_;the point at which Americas so teemed began in 1600 or so 1195176;1436462165;mircea_popescu;that's what late empire matrons tell their effette offspring that just lost at the races to the hearty barbarians : "don 1195177;1436462170;mircea_popescu;'t woprry honey, they're stupid" 1195178;1436462186;mircea_popescu;they're not so stupid, and the measure of their superior intelligence is to be found in the joyous cries of the noble roman's girlfriend. 1195179;1436462196;funkenstein_;it's not a question of "don't worry" .. actually, we should be worried 1195180;1436462222;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. improbable, which all reality ever is. 1195181;1436462228;mircea_popescu;not impossible, nor long of this world. 1195182;1436462236;asciilifeform;there very much ~is~ such a thing as 'stupid and effective' 1195183;1436462246;asciilifeform;such as the bacteria that eventually eat everybody's girlfriend 1195184;1436462247;mircea_popescu;like how would that be ? 1195185;1436462249;asciilifeform;(along with anyone else) 1195186;1436462253;mircea_popescu;is gcd stupid but effective ? 1195187;1436462255;funkenstein_;the reason wealth is often correlated with dumb is probably similar to why gps ownership is correlated with poor navigation skills 1195188;1436462267;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ such as in sattelites and missiles ? 1195189;1436462273;mircea_popescu;glwt. 1195190;1436462300;mircea_popescu;i propose that gcd is one of the few smart things we know. 1195191;1436462304;mircea_popescu;it is smart enough to be the END of a class. 1195192;1436462325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja know that paul erdos had a story about these ? 1195193;1436462326;asciilifeform;this class. 1195194;1436462333;mircea_popescu;nope 1195195;1436462343;asciilifeform;he liked to say that god had a book, containing the best possible proof of each theorem 1195196;1436462348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00054405 = 5.0053 BTC [-] 1195197;1436462355;asciilifeform;highest compliment paul e. could give a colleague was to say 'this is from The Book' 1195198;1436462363;mircea_popescu;ahaha not bad. 1195199;1436462373;asciilifeform;hence 'end of a class' 1195200;1436462380;mircea_popescu;makes sense, dunnit ? even without being jewish. 1195201;1436462380;asciilifeform;it is actually a very rare thing 1195202;1436462394;asciilifeform;(being able to prove that you can't do better runtime than particular algo, say) 1195203;1436462451;asciilifeform;however, there are still interesting boojums: 1195204;1436462459;funkenstein_;see e.g. the god algorithm for cube solving 1195205;1436462469;asciilifeform;romans could very well have 'proved' that their arithmetic is 'optimal' 1195206;1436462475;asciilifeform;while being entirely wrong by our lights 1195207;1436462486;mircea_popescu;even gods bite it eventually. 1195208;1436462486;asciilifeform;because 'notation is worth 80 iq' 1195209;1436462490;asciilifeform;^ 1195210;1436462503;mircea_popescu;kinda why i do not actually regret golden antiquity. 1195211;1436462508;mircea_popescu;had a good run, but it did run its course. 1195212;1436462530;mircea_popescu;and so it came to pass zeus eventually ran out of book. 1195213;1436462551;asciilifeform;everybody eventually runs out of book. 1195214;1436462588;mircea_popescu;for my curiosity, how'd such a roman proof look like ? 1195215;1436462592;mircea_popescu;i don't readily see it. 1195216;1436462659;mircea_popescu;(but this is perhaps the most obscure field of all scholarship - constructive cultural antrhopology, which is to say : construct FUTURE development of science on the basis and with the methods available in X context. 1195217;1436462678;mircea_popescu;a superlative form of hermeneutics if you wish. certainly decent training exercise for the more advanced students. 1195218;1436462704;asciilifeform;this is normally where 'alt history' storytellers fail, yes 1195219;1436462710;mircea_popescu;ayup 1195220;1436462715;asciilifeform;'show me nazi internet' (mr mold) 1195221;1436462720;mircea_popescu;even the most cursory effort to consider the matter sunks people like orlov. 1195222;1436462739;mircea_popescu;it should be standard class in disinfo ministry, but hey. they're also saving these days. 1195223;1436462806;asciilifeform;sometimes the 'construct future with past' thing gets taken up and run ragged, though. as in the case of 'square the circle with ruler and compass' problem that drove folks batshit until 19th c even. 1195224;1436462815;mircea_popescu;aha. 1195225;1436462841;asciilifeform;and there are still legions of crackpots trying to prove ftl with what they studied in school. 1195226;1436462859;mircea_popescu;where is that discussion with cads 1195227;1436462864;asciilifeform;a maths prof informed me that until recently, it was customary to answer their letters. but not any more. 1195228;1436462875;mircea_popescu;!s riemann 1195229;1436462875;assbot;1 results for 'riemann' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=riemann 1195230;1436462947;mircea_popescu;hm 1195231;1436462984;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/squares-do-morals-a-porno/#footnote_9_49613 1195232;1436462986;assbot;Squares do Morals. A Porno. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Toj2L7 ) 1195233;1436463139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: y'know, all kinds of folks spent whole lives 'lala i can't hear you' to cantor's diagonal. 1195234;1436463142;asciilifeform;probably even now 1195235;1436463151;asciilifeform;something about it pisses off certain types 1195236;1436463160;mircea_popescu;aham. 1195237;1436463181;mircea_popescu;anyway, re nazi internet : minitel 1195238;1436463191;asciilifeform;probably not too far off! 1195239;1436463201;mircea_popescu;mhm 1195240;1436463253;asciilifeform;(twist: rewrite orwell's '1984' where 'minilove' is actually a dour and heavily bureaucratized network of official brothels.) 1195241;1436463290;mircea_popescu;not bad idea. 1195242;1436463304;mircea_popescu;like they have in indonesia / poor asia generally and it fascinated tarantino 1195243;1436463313;asciilifeform;them. 1195244;1436463324;mircea_popescu;ever seen the sexploitations in question ? women on cots, 500 to a hall, separated by hanging sheets ? 1195245;1436463338;asciilifeform;didn't see alive, no. but who hasn't seen photos. 1195246;1436463343;asciilifeform;sorta like an old military hospital 1195247;1436463346;*;mircea_popescu visited one such thing, in costa rica. it is the closest i ever got to a medieval hospital. 1195248;1436463350;mircea_popescu;ha! 1195249;1436463360;asciilifeform;obvious mental association 1195250;1436463366;mircea_popescu;sexploitation = a movie 1195251;1436463374;asciilifeform;haven't seen, no 1195252;1436463379;*;asciilifeform adds to list 1195253;1436463431;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/women-in-cages/ 1195254;1436463432;assbot;Women In Cages on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmuYQ9 ) 1195255;1436463633;asciilifeform;'Anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, I wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch. Everything else was tried to death.' (from mircea_popescu's www) <<<< 'ftl drive will be discovered by an ee student on the verge of flunking, designing stero amps.' (al schwartz) 1195256;1436463716;asciilifeform;incidentally, for anyone who missed, gabriel_laddel found that schwartz is not only alive but cranking out nonstop commentary re: everything, largely on some godforsaken redditron 1195257;1436463736;asciilifeform;might be time to attempt persuading him to visit, again. 1195258;1436464070;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-IIC-Module-Real-Time-Clock-Memory-Module-For-Arduino-DS3231-AT24C32-/400932997447 << also temp-compensated ? 1195259;1436464072;assbot; High Quality IIC Module Real Time Clock Memory Module for Arduino DS3231 AT24C32 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmwFwO ) 1195260;1436464082;asciilifeform;~88 cent 1195261;1436464129;asciilifeform;(plus battery) 1195262;1436464377;asciilifeform;what i wonder is where these are typically used. 1195263;1436464385;asciilifeform;they are produced, and apparently sold, in vast quantities. 1195264;1436464395;asciilifeform;clearly ~somebody~ isn't eager to use ntp for everything. 1195265;1436464449;asciilifeform;where do these little modules go? toasters? time bombs in afghan ? 1195266;1436464691;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah DS3231 is the older version of the same chip that doesn't have any onboard sram 1195267;1436464694;decimation;would work fine 1195268;1436464703;decimation;I think the 3231 is end of life, probably trying to ditch stock 1195269;1436464732;decimation;asciilifeform: I think at least one use is utility meters 1195270;1436464749;decimation;any case where you have a cheap sensor that you 'launch' 1195271;1436464796;asciilifeform;sram could be useful, to keep 'last seeds' in or whatnot. but entirely luxury. 1195272;1436464813;decimation;aye 1195273;1436464835;decimation;oh they also use them in gps receivers 1195274;1436464838;decimation;for 'cold start' 1195275;1436464849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9920 @ 0.00054166 = 5.3733 BTC [-] {2} 1195276;1436464879;decimation;yeah the ds3231 has the same spec for time performance 1195277;1436464951;asciilifeform;and costs 18x less, l0l 1195278;1436464955;asciilifeform;(than earlier link) 1195279;1436464959;decimation;someone must be ditching stock 1195280;1436464964;asciilifeform;like pogo.. 1195281;1436464996;decimation;'cause a 3231 costs like $4.50 from digikey in qty 1000 1195282;1436465011;asciilifeform;^ not including pcb, battery holder, etc 1195283;1436465012;asciilifeform;xtal 1195284;1436465018;decimation;no xtal is in chip 1195285;1436465022;asciilifeform;ah hm. 1195286;1436465025;asciilifeform;even so. 1195287;1436465027;decimation;but yeah 1195288;1436465573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. 1195289;1436465709;mircea_popescu;yeah somebody with still a reddit acct plox ask scwhartz to come over. 1195290;1436465719;asciilifeform;it wasn't reddit 1195291;1436465722;*;asciilifeform digs in log 1195292;1436465723;danielpbarron;discus 1195293;1436465730;mircea_popescu;meh. 1195294;1436465736;mircea_popescu;fucking discus. what the fuck is wrong with that guy. 1195295;1436465743;asciilifeform;it 1195296;1436465751;mircea_popescu;i mean of all the places... no wonder it took forever to find him. 1195297;1436465763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's a compulsive ant-stomper. went where the enviro-whiners congregate 1195298;1436465771;asciilifeform;to apply his futile flamethrower 1195299;1436465776;asciilifeform;every 15 min. or so, all day... 1195300;1436465797;asciilifeform;i guess his isp finally stopped carrying usenet.. 1195301;1436465814;mircea_popescu;he should be here, i'm sick of being the most lines. 1195302;1436465825;*;asciilifeform sick of being 2nd-most-lines 1195303;1436465868;asciilifeform;somebody oughta send him a link with b-a search string of his name, or whatnot 1195304;1436465886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00054405 = 4.842 BTC [+] 1195305;1436465950;mircea_popescu;or the discussion of the apparatus 1195306;1436465985;asciilifeform;definitely it. 1195307;1436466004;asciilifeform;or gabriel_laddel going over his dozen favourite al essays 1195308;1436466013;asciilifeform;or this thread! 1195309;1436466020;asciilifeform;ferfuxxsake. 1195310;1436466091;asciilifeform;come visit us, uncle al! we'll dine on adelberger's roasted ballsack and wash it down with lagavulin ! 1195311;1436466128;ag3nt_zer0;anyone seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD5oMxbMcHM 1195312;1436466129;assbot;The Act of Killing - Official Trailer (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SboL4C ) 1195313;1436466131;asciilifeform;and while you're here, bring penny and anybody else still alive from mensa.talk.misc 1195314;1436466223;funkenstein_;i think i saw him on sci.physics.relativity a decade ago 1195315;1436466224;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 youtube stopped working for me with some update or other. 1195316;1436466256;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: he was all over sci.* a decade+ ago 1195317;1436466264;asciilifeform;1990-2004 or so 1195318;1436466297;asciilifeform;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal << www still up! 1195319;1436466300;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SboXRn ) 1195320;1436466302;asciilifeform;no new essays for some years though 1195321;1436466323;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/0ff0aff9dffec8a9a978794148cd219e/tumblr_mjw7i4bmlm1qfaf1fo1_1280.jpg 1195322;1436466324;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SboYEI ) 1195323;1436466334;*;asciilifeform recalls the ordeal of convincing mircea_popescu that al schwartz isn't a 'timecube' 1195324;1436466340;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: I watched that last week. 1195325;1436466364;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=34&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQtwIwAzge&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F58004844&ei=pLyeVcuAEcm2ogSx-5rgBg&usg=AFQjCNH_j-TsYTnEvRDHiEZH3WbYMAwywg&sig2=JNwKq1S17c8cSu5k9ZR6sA&bvm=bv.96952980,d.cGU 1195326;1436466365;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbp5jL ) 1195327;1436466369;ag3nt_zer0;wtf sorry 1195328;1436466373;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am not even convinced yet. just, not particularly convinced of the contrapositive. 1195329;1436466374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00054499 = 3.1882 BTC [+] {2} 1195330;1436466394;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 vimeo never worked. for some reason html5 standards are too hard for these schmucks 1195331;1436466406;mircea_popescu;(that reason being, obviously, that they can't get to play their inept advertising with it) 1195332;1436466429;*;asciilifeform convinced, but it took many years of actually working through the maths 1195333;1436466436;*;asciilifeform does not expect anyone here to do this. 1195334;1436466453;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: well, it's called The Act Of Killing and you should look at it 1195335;1436466455;mircea_popescu;maybe after teh war. 1195336;1436466458;asciilifeform;after. 1195337;1436466464;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 can it be a text ? 1195338;1436466479;mircea_popescu;i had no idea just how iconoclastic i actually am, before b-a 1195339;1436466516;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: a text? don't understand 1195340;1436466534;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195308 << https://disqus.com/home/discussion/neuroskeptic/could_travelling_waves_upset_cognitive_neuroscience/#comment-2127007121 1195341;1436466534;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 18:20:13; asciilifeform: or this thread! 1195342;1436466535;assbot;Disqus - Could Travelling Waves Upset Cognitive Neuroscience? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbpgvv ) 1195343;1436466537;mircea_popescu;that film or whatever it is, does it have a script or some such textual equivalent ? 1195344;1436466551;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: what'd you think? fucking bizarre? 1195345;1436466633;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: no script... it's like nothing else I have seen - http://www.theactofkilling.com/ 1195346;1436466634;assbot;The Act of Killing ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbpkey ) 1195347;1436466668;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: eh them recalling the days of murdering people... it seemed rather natural 1195348;1436466712;trinque;having them reenact the events was a little strange, but what I was struck with was the matter-of-fact attitude they had towards the events, mostly 1195349;1436466715;funkenstein_;wait violence and killing in movies? what a novel idea 1195350;1436466726;trinque;I figure I live a pretty padded life not knowing what that's like 1195351;1436466760;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yeah, natural in a way... but the vibrant colors, the recreations, them watching the takes and commenting... the translations... fucking crazy 1195352;1436466780;mircea_popescu;"The government chose not to enact coercive measures, however, stating that the regulation of the online activities of children was up to parents, not the government. " << most important thing about minitel. 1195353;1436466782;trinque;funkenstein_: docu has folks from kissinger's indonesian bloodletting reenacting and recounting their stories 1195354;1436466789;mircea_popescu;i'd have much rather had french internet than ustardian internet. 1195355;1436466791;mircea_popescu;!up mike_c_alt 1195356;1436466798;ag3nt_zer0;I wasn't in the mood the first few times I started it, so I stopped... finally last night had the receptivity and it hit pretty good... 1195357;1436466818;mircea_popescu;and generally, the world will be broadly a better place once the colonies get their voice turned down to the 1.6-2.2 they deserve. 1195358;1436466842;mircea_popescu;there is no conceivable reason the combined cultural pull of us should exceed that of greece. they're about the same toilet. 1195359;1436466907;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: there's another along these lines, was pretty good 1195360;1436466911;trinque;I'm trying to recall the name 1195361;1436466913;mike_c;Sorry for part spam.. different client/computer than usual. 1195362;1436466933;trinque;had 'nam vets and such talking about how they couldn't come back from war mentally because they liked war so much 1195363;1436466944;trinque;wasn't the majority of them, but some felt that way 1195364;1436466952;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: added mine, for what it's worth 1195365;1436466967;trinque;the idea of a "warrior" seems foreign these days, I guess 1195366;1436466984;mircea_popescu;mike_c how you doin' these days 1195367;1436467025;mike_c;Who knows. I try not to think about it. 1195368;1436467042;mircea_popescu;o.O 1195369;1436467061;mike_c;way too busy! 1195370;1436467072;trinque;heh, I know that feeling 1195371;1436467072;mircea_popescu;sounds like you reached the age of cazalla 1195372;1436467078;mike_c;got a couple of good blog posts coming up though that are half way done. 1195373;1436467080;mircea_popescu;but experimentally, it seems to be a transient phase 1195374;1436467082;asciilifeform;mike_c: good busy or bad busy 1195375;1436467101;mike_c;bad busy. Time is sucked away on things that aren't worth it. 1195376;1436467115;mircea_popescu;sucks. 1195377;1436467120;*;asciilifeform is ^ much of the time 1195378;1436467242;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yeah I suppose... unless you have to sit through a multiculturalism focused education program in humboldt county run by marxism-hypnotized dykes... then noticing fruits of their labor in Silly Valley public ed... then start thinking warrior again 1195379;1436467259;ag3nt_zer0;haha it isnt even just under the surface 1195380;1436467279;mircea_popescu;so argue them into the dirt. 1195381;1436467304;ag3nt_zer0;yeah working on it 1195382;1436467319;mircea_popescu;fwif i'm a multiculturalism fan. 1195383;1436467329;ag3nt_zer0;why? 1195384;1436467336;mircea_popescu;cuz i'm from central europe ? 1195385;1436467341;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1195386;1436467345;asciilifeform;usa does nulliculturalism 1195387;1436467346;asciilifeform;not multi 1195388;1436467349;mircea_popescu;just because they sell shit under imported names in the us doesn't mean the originals are bad 1195389;1436467355;mircea_popescu;it just means the us destroys everything it touches 1195390;1436467373;trinque;asciilifeform: hey, they change the holiday aisle at walmart for cinco de mayo! 1195391;1436467401;ag3nt_zer0;I am a fan of apple because I live in silly valley 1195392;1436467427;mircea_popescu;nah, doesn't reduce to that. central europe used to be run by a multicultural empire. 1195393;1436467437;mircea_popescu;we did the funny naming conventions they used here before 1195394;1436467441;mircea_popescu;!s cezaro-craiesc 1195395;1436467442;assbot;0 results for 'cezaro-craiesc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cezaro-craiesc 1195396;1436467446;mircea_popescu;no fucking way ?! 1195397;1436467471;asciilifeform;!s царь-государь 1195398;1436467471;assbot;0 results for 'царь-государь' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C 1195399;1436467472;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: multi-racial? or just multicult? 1195400;1436467477;asciilifeform;ferfuxsake 1195401;1436467480;asciilifeform;search is broken. 1195402;1436467482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i blame you and your antistemming policies. 1195403;1436467490;asciilifeform;CAN HAZ GREP PLZ 1195404;1436467495;asciilifeform;as in, exact same behaviour 1195405;1436467495;asciilifeform;? 1195406;1436467505;asciilifeform;why does b-a search have to not be grep ? 1195407;1436467510;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 let's put it this way : you couldn't as a middle class woman marry some douche who didn't speak multiple languages. because your parents wouldn't let you. 1195408;1436467536;mircea_popescu;because that meant he is stupid. 1195409;1436467579;asciilifeform;sorta like illiteracy today 1195410;1436467583;mircea_popescu;quite like. 1195411;1436467591;asciilifeform;or iprogrammacy tomorrow 1195412;1436467597;mircea_popescu;doubt that. 1195413;1436467602;*;asciilifeform also doubts 1195414;1436467607;mircea_popescu;but hopes ? lol 1195415;1436467607;asciilifeform;but there once was this notion. 1195416;1436467608;trinque;along those lines, I only just found naggum's hyperspec.el 1195417;1436467621;trinque;let it be known that I resent having had to search the landfill for this shit 1195418;1436467647;ag3nt_zer0;I mean maybe we aren't speaking of the same thing... here, in US, multiculti is synonymous with "tolerance" and "diversity" and cultural relativism.... which translates to, in many cases, classrooms full of unruly mexican children claiming racism if you say that 2+2=4 1195419;1436467652;asciilifeform;trinque: i've spent years trying to pull naggum, uncle al schwartz, et al out of the landfill 1195420;1436467668;asciilifeform;trinque: it is one of those things that has to be done. 1195421;1436467681;asciilifeform;like the excavation of aristotle in the old days 1195422;1436467685;mircea_popescu;and i bet you they told you all you needed to hear about gravity wells and whatnot. 1195423;1436467717;ag3nt_zer0;meanwhile, any good student, mexican, white, asian, whatever, is completely fucked and her education is retarded even more than it would be normally, just by virtue of the PE system... but this shit makes it so much worse 1195424;1436467732;asciilifeform;gravity wells ? 1195425;1436467736;mircea_popescu;what's pe ? 1195426;1436467746;asciilifeform;public ed? 1195427;1436467747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, can't leave disqus because that's where his discwot is. 1195428;1436467749;mircea_popescu;aok 1195429;1436467765;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doubt it. he's switched 'discuses' a couplea times in the past few yrs, it looks like 1195430;1436467777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35257 @ 0.00054529 = 19.2253 BTC [+] {2} 1195431;1436467786;asciilifeform;doesn't seem to have much positive to say re: the folks therein 1195432;1436467787;mircea_popescu;yeah. and if us falls over how many folk will go to canada. 1195433;1436467789;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: that reduces to "you should, as the teacher, be in charge of the fucking room." 1195434;1436467801;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think he plays a role similar to what hanbot once did on tardstalk 1195435;1436467807;asciilifeform;but without any good reason to 1195436;1436467811;mircea_popescu;he can not. for who is the employer 1195437;1436467813;mircea_popescu;aha 1195438;1436467816;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.archive.org/stream/bugbearofliterac035352mbp/bugbearofliterac035352mbp_djvu.txt 1195439;1436467819;assbot;Full text of "The_Bugbear_Of_Literacy" ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbqU04 ) 1195440;1436467849;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194783 << zing. 1195441;1436467849;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 08:41:10; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194359 so there should be plenty examples of usg diddling a traffic on the backbone, could you please post one? 1195442;1436467865;*;asciilifeform answered that one... 1195443;1436467910;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194806 << typically italian. 1195444;1436467910;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 09:58:31; punkman: "Berlusconi, 78, will not have to serve the sentence as the statute of limitations expires later this year, well before a final ruling will have been reached on appeal." 1195445;1436467958;asciilifeform;mr b is probably closest thing southern europe has to a 'lizard' 1195446;1436467987;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194820 << the reason he doesn't have the ~2 trillion required is EXACTLY that he would do this with it. and it's a stupid idea and it shouldt be done. in the general case, money works to limit the power of influencing the course of events people have, and gathers itself in the hands of those who ~SHOULD~ have most to say. 1195447;1436467987;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 12:58:26; punkman: "I wish I had the money to setup enough miners myself to get 95% hashing power and just freaking fork already." 1195448;1436467989;mircea_popescu;that's whgat it is. 1195449;1436467990;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yes but these ridiculously reductionist tolerance ideas put into the heads of idiots just amounts to, as MP says something about in a blurb about professionalism on trilema, amateurs playing the racist card or what not... any number of limp-dicked excuses and diversions from what should be the teacher's right to maintain a fucking orderly environment 1195450;1436468010;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: sounds kinda like men's rights 1195451;1436468020;trinque;what I'm saying is if you were in power in the situation it wouldn't matter 1195452;1436468031;trinque;the idea that a bunch of kids can overrule you is insane, aside from a fantasy 1195453;1436468036;asciilifeform;re: market, see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193867 1195454;1436468036;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 21:17:35; ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them 1195455;1436468052;asciilifeform;imagine if 'reddit' folk actually had anything 1195456;1436468084;asciilifeform;we still haven't recovered from their species having net connections 1195457;1436468108;mircea_popescu;BitFury pool (~ 16% of hashrate) drops their max block size to 135 kB amidst large mempool backlog << check out all the gavin miner support. 1195458;1436468116;mircea_popescu;they should have a vote! 1195459;1436468118;trinque;haw! 1195460;1436468123;mircea_popescu;make the block version be 81! 1195461;1436468130;mircea_popescu;noi wait 42. 42 is the right version to have. 1195462;1436468145;kakobrekla;BitFury pool < back to 974 1195463;1436468151;asciilifeform;maxint. 1195464;1436468166;kakobrekla;kb 1195465;1436468174;mircea_popescu;"You can't solve a problem of lack of bandwidth by higher fees for access. A system that is too bandwidth limited to serve it's users isn't fixed by making the service more expensive." 1195466;1436468175;mircea_popescu;herp. 1195467;1436468184;mircea_popescu;i gotta love idiots, srsly. if not me, then who. 1195468;1436468208;asciilifeform;i wonder if any of them ever encountered phrase 'load shedding' 1195469;1436468227;asciilifeform;i bet they ~will~, but only when the words appear on their - final - electric bill. 1195470;1436468232;asciilifeform;some time this decade. 1195471;1436468256;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah. 1195472;1436468288;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: to reword what I was saying, thinking in terms of rights means somebody else is in charge, doesn't it? 1195473;1436468289;mircea_popescu;"bandwidth just comes from whining to dad, money has nothing to do with it. why should i get a summere job ??!?!?!" 1195474;1436468311;trinque;whereas the problem you describe is one of *you* not being in charge 1195475;1436468317;asciilifeform;in related newz, i sometimes go to a 'dry cleaner' shop. their price, unchanged for a decade+, has gone up 50%. it was actually part of the chain's name, and they have to put garbage bags over the neon signs... 1195476;1436468326;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: to be fair, I was subbing last year, and so these were not "my" classrooms, but still, it is just so fucking degenerate man... but check this: even of it IS your classroom it can still be quite dufficult with these fucking democratically programmed idiots in charge 1195477;1436468326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform two words from a pile of paper you yourself regard as disinfo ? 1195478;1436468328;asciilifeform;'inflation doesn't exist. if exists, doesn't matter. and fuckyou for asking' 1195479;1436468332;mircea_popescu;very shitty answer, afl. 1195480;1436468347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which pile 1195481;1436468350;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: oh I know; I think it's too fucked to salvage 1195482;1436468356;mircea_popescu;ferretsomething 1195483;1436468373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'hangout' != fiction 1195484;1436468392;asciilifeform;best hangout is to expose a genuine secret. just one that still 'works' fine after exposed. 1195485;1436468398;mircea_popescu;that rope's gettin' tight. 1195486;1436468403;asciilifeform;that cannon's still shootin'. 1195487;1436468403;mircea_popescu;point out just one ? for love ? 1195488;1436468426;ag3nt_zer0;for instance, I just got a job teaching music at a school 2 days a week... so it's my own classroom. however, I have already been told that "we don't ever raise our voices here"... "we all go by our first names"... etc all this hippy slop 1195489;1436468454;ag3nt_zer0;and also "we use a program called "positive discipline".... 1195490;1436468458;trinque;lol! 1195491;1436468479;ag3nt_zer0;so i resisted for a while, then finally looked it up thinkning "ok, I'll have a good go at it and backburner my cynicism" 1195492;1436468488;*;asciilifeform bbl 1195493;1436468491;ag3nt_zer0;well gwt this fucking shit! 1195494;1436468493;trinque;and when the child screams for another cupcake, you shall deliver it to him in no less than 15 seconds 1195495;1436468496;ag3nt_zer0;I looked it up 1195496;1436468502;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194852 << this would be a massive win situation 1195497;1436468502;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 14:50:35; asciilifeform: we launch the pogos, and suddenly 'ntp is obsolete, dontchaknow,' here is a new replacement by poettering, 85% consensus1111!!!1111!!! within weeks, plug pulled on ntp servers 1195498;1436468512;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the "here's gavin's head on a plate, fuckwits. now what ?" 1195499;1436468530;ag3nt_zer0;and it turns out the entire thing was created by a guy who commited suicide in a hotel room after he was accused of molesting kids 1195500;1436468538;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 so you told them that "maybe YOU do, miss derp, but I do not. anything else ?" 1195501;1436468546;mircea_popescu;did you or didn't you ? 1195502;1436468581;trinque;really do have to be willing to fight people to keep any sanity in the states 1195503;1436468583;ag3nt_zer0;and trinque, this is a PARENT PARTICIPATION school... and none of these motherfuckers seem to know that their entire discipline system was created by this jack ass 1195504;1436468603;trinque;so piss in all their cheerios or leave, mang 1195505;1436468607;trinque;and/or 1195506;1436468609;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194866 << zing. 1195507;1436468609;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 14:54:36; jurov: if it is not specific, how it can be a cause? 1195508;1436468613;mircea_popescu;i like jurov's logic machine. 1195509;1436468616;ag3nt_zer0;but I won't say anything till I make my money to travel the world next year... then when I quit I will mention that they should look into their shit a little more 1195510;1436468618;shinohai;pogo is up mats \o/ 1195511;1436468629;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: hell I've written php for rent 1195512;1436468637;mircea_popescu;wd shinohai 1195513;1436468639;trinque;the whole thing's coming down anyway 1195514;1436468656;trinque;it's not like you're going to save that public school from itself and then that'll somehow mean the empire doesn't fall over anyway 1195515;1436468679;trinque;sling php with abandon, I say, and study common lisp all evening and night 1195516;1436468686;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: the principal said that I have a choice... but it was just a sidelined statement really 1195517;1436468698;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194889 << i also like his pincered skullcap :D 1195518;1436468698;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 15:07:02; asciilifeform: can be attached to the gpio in pogo 1195519;1436468712;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 looky here. nobody asked him anything. 1195520;1436468732;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: yes 1195521;1436468736;mircea_popescu;you went to school, learned a trade, now youy're gonna aplly it. 1195522;1436468741;mircea_popescu;they don't like it, they can call the union 1195523;1436468759;mircea_popescu;you, of all the only people here, are in the best position. stop making up random excuses. 1195524;1436468782;mircea_popescu;"i don't care how you do it. this is how i do it. get out of my classroom." 1195525;1436468788;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: yes, I still have to learn the ropes in these ways... don't fret, my inner psychopath is learning 1195526;1436468821;mircea_popescu;nay! it stands for, "nobody asked you". 1195527;1436468828;trinque;!b 1 1195528;1436468829;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19NRB2V.txt ) 1195529;1436468936;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194905 << this can prolly be arranged, if we actually decide to humour this patent insanity 1195530;1436468936;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 15:24:06; kakobrekla: i have a soldering station, but no pogos. 1195531;1436468944;mircea_popescu;instead of just eating ntp shitsandwich 1195532;1436468959;mircea_popescu;the life and times and the choices before us, good lord. 1195533;1436469011;ag3nt_zer0;my problem is that I get so fucking mad at these poseurs who have the nerve to claim that they carry the flame of knowledge to pass on to these kids... when all they are doing is trying to make themselves appear nice in their own mirrors 1195534;1436469020;mircea_popescu;so tell them that. 1195535;1436469066;mircea_popescu;if it makes you feel; any better, this is a traditional problem of teaching as practiced since that bismarck's invention of the "school" 1195536;1436469076;ag3nt_zer0;yeah... it's coming... just need to do it wisely 1195537;1436469085;mircea_popescu;one kid unhappy with the other poseurs in the "cancelarie" of romanian schools cca 1980. maybe two. in each school. 1195538;1436469087;mircea_popescu;60s, same. 1195539;1436469133;mircea_popescu;;;google tovarasul profesor isoscel 1195540;1436469134;gribble;Tamara Buciuceanu - Wikipedia: ; extemporal la dirigentie: profa de mate - scena 1 - YouTube: ; Tamara Buciuceanu - Actor - CineMagia.ro: 1195541;1436469245;ag3nt_zer0;thanks for the words of encouragement 1195542;1436469480;mats;good to hear shinohai 1195543;1436469512;shinohai;I have everything except a working static build of bitcoind 1195544;1436470305;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmZsstddULc&list=PL7M0G2a-TISfqmuk24assKLdQQz87lPzZ << great metal album 1195545;1436470306;assbot;El Altar Del Dios Desconocido - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWBQOD ) 1195546;1436471132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24875 @ 0.00053783 = 13.3785 BTC [-] {2} 1195547;1436471180;asciilifeform;http://www.businessinsider.com/heartbleed-fix-faw-openssl-hacking 1195548;1436471181;assbot;Fresh 'high severity' security flaw found in OpenSSL - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQxeuj ) 1195549;1436471190;asciilifeform;l0l re: 'team discovered' 1195550;1436471194;asciilifeform;~created~. 1195551;1436471196;decimation;;;later tell pete_dushenski There is no 1195552;1436471196;decimation; USB support yet, which means that there is no local storage 1195553;1436471197;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1195554;1436471202;decimation; (no onboard CompactFlash). 1195555;1436471223;decimation;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.7/octeon/INSTALL.octeon < they claim that openbsd doesn't support usb storage 1195556;1436471225;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQxmKi ) 1195557;1436471225;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1195558;1436471415;asciilifeform;in other 'news,' my node has 44 connections 1195559;1436471423;asciilifeform;afaik that's a new record. 1195560;1436471531;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/07/caspar-bowden-cpunks-1996-98.txt << unrelated, historical lulz 1195561;1436471532;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWEqEm ) 1195562;1436471537;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/static/munin/main/main/mbitcoin_transactions.html for the interested 1195563;1436471538;assbot;Munin :: main :: main :: mbitcoin transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWEqUO ) 1195564;1436472577;shinohai;44 O.o 1195565;1436472598;danielpbarron;!up opus8 1195566;1436472725;shinohai;udev 1195567;1436472804;trinque;anybody recommend a decent web crawler/archiver? 1195568;1436472826;trinque;I'm archiving things for the derpocalypse 1195569;1436472839;danielpbarron;you mean like archive.is ? 1195570;1436472870;trinque;nah a command line thinger I can toss a url or regexes at and have it duplicate the site locally 1195571;1436472888;punkman;trinque: there is no hope 1195572;1436472915;trinque;lol, at least it will give me something to read til the power goes out 1195573;1436473013;punkman;wget can recurse a bit 1195574;1436473034;shinohai;snapshill bot 1195575;1436473167;trinque;shinohai: link? 1195576;1436473191;trinque;https://github.com/justcool393/SnapshillBot << this? 1195577;1436473192;assbot;justcool393/SnapshillBot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWHW1j ) 1195578;1436473214;trinque;has a bunch of shit regarding those archive sites in it 1195579;1436473225;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBot.rss 1195580;1436473226;assbot;SSBot: this subreddit is private ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWI1lE ) 1195581;1436473246;shinohai;whelp thats dead 1195582;1436473257;trinque;I'm just gonna bash script it up 1195583;1436473286;trinque;regex match URLs, if it's from the same domain and not on disk, wget the shit 1195584;1436473288;trinque;sounds easy 1195585;1436473307;punkman;you'll be pulling your hair out soon enough 1195586;1436473338;trinque;WHAT COULD GO WRONG 1195587;1436473607;trinque;also keeping a running archive of my /usr/portage/distfiles 1195588;1436473950;punkman;trinque: http://www.httrack.com/ might be of interest 1195589;1436473951;assbot;HTTrack Website Copier - Free Software Offline Browser (GNU GPL) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWJM2i ) 1195590;1436473995;trinque;punkman: sweet, it's in portage. ty 1195591;1436474720;trinque;punkman: that thing works great. 1195592;1436474753;trinque;did exactly what I wanted; sane defaults; a++++ 1195593;1436475426;decimation;asciilifeform: amusing thread re: Guido et.al. discussing how how exactly they should fuck somebody trying to just 'import pkg' https://mail.python.org/pipermail/import-sig/2012-March/000430.html 1195594;1436475427;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWNgBZ ) 1195595;1436476373;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174822 << that was me and juliatourianski_ at the "bitcoin free-roll" poker tourny at porcfest. We made it to the final table; she busted out on the bubble and I busted out right after that. Sold my 0.3 prize on the spot for 75 dollars (since USD is not so ironically the most liquid asset, even at a libertarian festival) 1195596;1436476373;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:19:40; mircea_popescu: is blondy swallowing a casino chip ? 1195597;1436476419;mircea_popescu;ic 1195598;1436476507;danielpbarron;related: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIhnfgZUcAEeEXG.jpg << b-a WoT group photo 1195599;1436476508;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWQVzR ) 1195600;1436476547;mircea_popescu;o hey, pretty cool 1195601;1436476582;asciilifeform;http://bgr.com/2015/07/08/hacking-tools-pita-encryption-keys-radio-waves << why is this ~2 yrs. plus-old project constantly in the nyooz 1195602;1436476584;assbot;Hacking Tools: PITA uses radio waves to steal encryption keys | BGR ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWR4mK ) 1195603;1436476591;asciilifeform;while interesting things - nowhere to be found 1195604;1436476591;danielpbarron;that's julia, me, birdman, and rassah (in the group photo) 1195605;1436476593;asciilifeform;rhetorical q. 1195606;1436476667;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195567 << what's wrong with 'wget -m' ??! 1195607;1436476667;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 20:13:24; trinque: anybody recommend a decent web crawler/archiver? 1195608;1436476716;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195171 << Viking recuntissance in North America happened at a pre-Apocalyptic time. By the Anglo Arrival diseases brought by the Spanish had left North America post-apocolyptic 1195609;1436476716;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 17:12:48; asciilifeform: recuntissance by fire (tm) 1195610;1436476866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 140 @ 0.07996427 = 11.195 BTC [+] {6} 1195611;1436476867;BingoBoingo;Squanto was actual IRL implementation of a helpful NPC from Fallout 1195612;1436476891;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/07/09/hack-of-security-clearance-system-affected-21-5-million-people-federal-authorities-say/ "However, some U.S. officials caution against taking actions against foreign states when the cyber theft is conducted for traditional spying motives. The United States has not officially named China or the motive, but privately officials say it appears China was conducting a form of trad 1195613;1436476892;assbot; Hack of security clearance system affected 21.5 million people, federal authorities say - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWRQ3f ) 1195614;1436476900;decimation;wait wait let's not be too hasty here... 1195615;1436476919;asciilifeform;Run Moar Winblowz! 1195616;1436476924;decimation;heh 1195617;1436476999;decimation;I would like to see the moral reasoning that leads one to believe it is 'ok' to 'conduct traditional espionage' but not the kind that 'can benefit industry' 1195618;1436477086;decimation;I guess it's roughly the same logic that leads one to conqueror Iraq (or Afghanistan) and then pretend that extracting tribute is immoral 1195619;1436477088;mircea_popescu;the only scandal here is that 21.5 mn people worked for the government. 1195620;1436477092;asciilifeform;decimation: there is an official usg fiction that dirt lifted from 'airbus' isn't passed straight to 'boeing', etc 1195621;1436477099;mircea_popescu;really, this should be in the constitution : not more than one person per million. 1195622;1436477099;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try 300 mn 1195623;1436477125;mircea_popescu;!up Xemist 1195624;1436477130;mircea_popescu;Xemist you wouldn't be al would you ? 1195625;1436477136;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the funny part is that there are various limits, in fact, because actual civil servant gets pension, health cover, holidays, statutorily 1195626;1436477147;mircea_popescu;decimation i like that the only thing said there is "we like china cock - so delishious!!1" 1195627;1436477154;asciilifeform;so when i worked in an army lab, it was 1 actual usg 'green badge' for 25-30 'purples' 1195628;1436477164;asciilifeform;(the latter - us, coolies - contractors) 1195629;1436477187;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195302 << http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ Between asciilifeform and ascii_field actually most lines past 7 and 30 days 1195630;1436477187;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 18:17:05; *: asciilifeform sick of being 2nd-most-lines 1195631;1436477188;assbot;#bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqTuPn ) 1195632;1436477200;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: damn, that's even worse 1195633;1436477206;mircea_popescu;get a lyf alf! 1195634;1436477268;decimation;mircea_popescu: it was more like "what china is doing is okay because we do it too!" 1195635;1436477270;asciilifeform;'Not every spys data is in the system. The CIA conducts its own security clearance investigations and keeps that data to itself. Even so, some U.S. officials have said that a foreign spy service might be able to identify U.S. intelligence operatives by comparing stolen OPM records with rosters of U.S. personnel at embassies overseas.' 1195636;1436477287;asciilifeform;^ trivial. if fella works at embassy and ~isn't~ in the list, he's cia 1195637;1436477314;mircea_popescu;decimation not at all. 1195638;1436477326;mircea_popescu;it was, literally, "we like this kind of rape - the guy is strong enough." 1195639;1436477516;asciilifeform;hey, the mega-cunt left vacant by su had to be filled 1195640;1436477534;asciilifeform;cn fills it, if you also add a few pillows 1195641;1436477547;mircea_popescu;i dun follow. 1195642;1436477567;mircea_popescu;all i see here is, the usg is no longer a virgin. today, china raped them and they thanked it for the service. 1195643;1436477576;mircea_popescu;tomorrow, i rape them, and they give me a congressional medal of honor for it. 1195644;1436477593;mircea_popescu;either before that tomorrow or after that tomorrow, some arab kids too. 1195645;1436477612;asciilifeform;the 'thanking' is not wholly stockholm syndrome, but is used to justify giving every other printed usd to the .mil contractors 1195646;1436477616;asciilifeform;(the favourite sons) 1195647;1436477631;decimation;^ 1195648;1436477657;asciilifeform;which recently pioneered mega-innovations like switching to wholly-imaginary, rather than merely underpowered, airplanes 1195649;1436477665;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter WHY she claims to have liked it. 1195650;1436477670;asciilifeform;'cybers33k0000rity' systems which actually spread crapware 1195651;1436477671;asciilifeform;etc 1195652;1436477685;decimation;mircea_popescu: sure it does, if she has a strap-on and another 300 men lined up 1195653;1436477688;mircea_popescu;obviously it was for the children 1195654;1436477697;mircea_popescu;whateverfor else 1195655;1436477747;decimation;actually I predict this event will mark a turning point for usg 1195656;1436477756;asciilifeform;how? 1195657;1436477770;decimation;because now even the little kids growing up today will know what they are signing up for if they work for usg 1195658;1436477779;asciilifeform;decimation: and in vietnam war they didn't ? 1195659;1436477791;decimation;that didn't affect folks who just pushed paper 1195660;1436477800;asciilifeform;so far i don't see any 'affect' 1195661;1436477814;decimation;now even the janitors have to worry 1195662;1436477819;*;asciilifeform looks out window for chinese gasenwagen rounding up folks on list 1195663;1436477821;*;asciilifeform doesn't see one 1195664;1436477837;decimation;well, if they are smart they will be a bit more subtle than that, but it's a fair point 1195665;1436477858;asciilifeform;this is precisely what the pencilpushers mean by 'standard traditional intelligence gathering' 1195666;1436477865;asciilifeform;it means 'business as usual', no gassings 1195667;1436477872;asciilifeform;'they have list' - 'we have list' 1195668;1436477877;asciilifeform;'parity' 1195669;1436477887;asciilifeform;'nothing happens, your bills are still due' 1195670;1436477898;mircea_popescu;isn't asciilifeform cute :D 1195671;1436477905;decimation;asciilifeform: the irony is that cn govt and us govt know what is going on, but the average usian voter is kept in the dark 1195672;1436477918;mircea_popescu;what parity ? 1195673;1436477920;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/07/08/map-how-much-100-is-really-worth-in-every-state-2 << now check out new low of loathsome garbage 1195674;1436477921;assbot; Map: How much $100 is really worth in every state - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqUrqP ) 1195675;1436477923;mircea_popescu;who exactly has the chinese lists ? 1195676;1436477928;mircea_popescu;what on EARTH are you talking about ? 1195677;1436477935;mircea_popescu;the us doesn't even have a fgucking missile spec sheet. 1195678;1436477935;asciilifeform;(^ it is very plain that they disregarded real estate) 1195679;1436477965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Official Truth is that all cn rockets are still run on asymmetric hydrazine 1195680;1436477973;asciilifeform;and take ~20h to fill up 1195681;1436477981;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1195682;1436477988;asciilifeform;as designed by korolev. 1195683;1436477999;asciilifeform;in '59 1195684;1436478174;decimation;"The RPPs are calculated using price quotes for a wide array of items from the CPI, which are aggregated into broader expenditure categories (such as food, transportation, or education)1. Data on rents are obtained separately from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey (ACS). The expenditure weights for each category are constructed using CPI expenditure weights, BEA's Personal Consumption Expenditures, and ACS rents expenditur 1195685;1436478205;asciilifeform;fact is, there are 20k usd houses and same building elsewhere for 2mil. 1195686;1436478219;decimation;yeah, well virginia is especially lulzy 1195687;1436478230;asciilifeform;and you would not ever guess this fact, from the linked chart. 1195688;1436478240;decimation;as if the vast collection of trailer parks 'downstate' makes up for the $mil condos in arlington 1195689;1436478244;asciilifeform;because its entire purpose is to throw smoke on it. 1195690;1436478283;decimation;you would end up with that chart I posted yesterday, which shows that 10 counties 'own' the majority of us real estate wealth 1195691;1436478317;asciilifeform;own?! 1195692;1436478318;asciilifeform;l0l 1195693;1436478321;asciilifeform;get fleeced, rather 1195694;1436478331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75521 @ 0.0005334 = 40.2829 BTC [-] {3} 1195695;1436478342;asciilifeform;by bank first, by tax collectors - perpetually 1195696;1436478357;decimation;yeah, good point. the vast majority of the 'real estate wealth' I just mentioned is actually notional value on some bank's loan sheet 1195697;1436478368;trinque;asciilifeform: this thing punkman linked lets me feed it regexes of interesting stuff to look for 1195698;1436478381;asciilifeform;trinque: neat 1195699;1436478400;asciilifeform;could use wget+perl 1195700;1436478418;trinque;yeah that would work 1195701;1436478427;decimation;anyway, the net effect of this 'govt secrecy' racket seems to be to keep secrets from usians, not from foreign spies 1195702;1436478483;asciilifeform;in other newz, uncle al was smart. emailed me at my consulting co. to see if comment was from an actual human 1195703;1436478488;asciilifeform;let's see if he remembers how to pgp 1195704;1436478521;mircea_popescu;win. 1195705;1436478592;pete_dushenski;decimation i continue to confuse the bsd's... for the edgerouter, i used freebsd as well ! 1195706;1436478601;decimation;ah that explains it then 1195707;1436478624;asciilifeform;from thread on www: '"8^>) I'll stop by as soon as I push back some alligators.' 1195708;1436478625;pete_dushenski;ayup. i can't seem to keep them straight. 1195709;1436478643;asciilifeform;danielpbarron ^ 1195710;1436478645;asciilifeform;see thread 1195711;1436478658;pete_dushenski;decimation mebbe if i knew wtf the difference was, i'd be of more use to others 1195712;1436478742;danielpbarron;neato, and in "other news" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJgOvqFUwAAzEKy.jpg 1195713;1436478743;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVlUl ) 1195714;1436478785;punkman;http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-09/market-complexity-broke-the-nyse-before-saving-it 1195715;1436478786;assbot;Market Complexity Broke the NYSE Before Saving It - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVkjc ) 1195716;1436478786;scoopbot_revived;Female Trouble http://trilema.com/2015/female-trouble/ 1195717;1436478861;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lmao you are there are you ? 1195718;1436478992;danielpbarron;i wish, i suppose 1195719;1436479024;decimation;https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future 1195720;1436479025;assbot;Re: NetBSD has now support for USB on EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVxD1 ) 1195721;1436479032;decimation;at least, that's what I got out of that email 1195722;1436479065;asciilifeform;if i were setting that thing up ~today~, i'd probably roll a 'buildroot' linux for it 1195723;1436479079;asciilifeform;because to hell with having items that aren't in constant required use, in there. 1195724;1436479080;decimation;asciilifeform: would you include binary driver turd? 1195725;1436479081;asciilifeform;at all. 1195726;1436479086;asciilifeform;decimation: why'd i do that 1195727;1436479090;decimation;hehe 1195728;1436479094;decimation;performance? 1195729;1436479098;asciilifeform;it performs now. 1195730;1436479102;asciilifeform;sans turds 1195731;1436479102;pete_dushenski;o hey bloombergview figured out footnotes. they're catching on to the style, those nooz types, next is qntra-level content. 1195732;1436479110;asciilifeform;100% uptime since plugged in, early february 1195733;1436479117;decimation;so is there an open source replacement for that driver then? 1195734;1436479117;asciilifeform;never once coughed, sputtered 1195735;1436479122;asciilifeform;decimation: there is not. 1195736;1436479131;asciilifeform;it is running without the weird acceleration crap 1195737;1436479156;decimation;well, there must be some level of 'basic functionality' the eth device supplies without it 1195738;1436479165;asciilifeform;aha, like other chipsets 1195739;1436479176;asciilifeform;it moves packets fast enough to keep up with my rotating disks 1195740;1436479184;asciilifeform;i fail to see why i would need them to move any faster. 1195741;1436479206;trinque;heh so far ate moldbug and uncle al's sites 1195742;1436479269;trinque;trilema and loper I expect to be able to get via hamsterwheel shortwave gossipd someday 1195743;1436479275;danielpbarron;trinque, is this a good candidate for archival? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts;start=0 1195744;1436479276;assbot;Latest posts of: satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToGJmx ) 1195745;1436479281;asciilifeform;trinque: if you need my site for anything, it's there 1195746;1436479295;asciilifeform;no paywall 1195747;1436479309;mircea_popescu;nice uptime. 1195748;1436479326;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's plugged into a massive ups 1195749;1436479335;trinque;danielpbarron: the whole forum? 1195750;1436479338;asciilifeform;(along with everything else that is worth anything) 1195751;1436479345;danielpbarron;i lost my nearly 4 month uptime on my pogos when a tree took the power out yesterday afternoon :/ 1195752;1436479345;mircea_popescu;aha 1195753;1436479359;danielpbarron;trinque, just satoshi's posts 1195754;1436479372;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: there is a dead-tree book containing 'satoshi's posts' 1195755;1436479385;asciilifeform;i have it. has some extraneous garbage, but appears to actually contain... satoshi's complete posts 1195756;1436479401;danielpbarron;is published somewhere? 1195757;1436479407;*;danielpbarron will go, buy. 1195758;1436479418;asciilifeform;http://www.bookofsatoshi.com 1195759;1436479419;assbot;The Book of Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVV4n ) 1195760;1436479423;asciilifeform;download for phree 1195761;1436479424;trinque;call me paranoid, but yeah, I'm stockpiling information from now on. 1195762;1436479427;asciilifeform;buy if you like dead tree 1195763;1436479439;pete_dushenski;"Overall, the fact that the rise of top incomes has been much greater in certain sectors, such as finance, and among senior executives is more consistent with a pattern of rent (excess earnings relative to market-determined earnings) creation and extraction specific to those sectors than with a competitive market for skills." << because "market" is now synonymous with "fair". donchaknow. 1195764;1436479453;asciilifeform;someone here might have told me that the fella who put that book together later turned sc4mz0r somehow 1195765;1436479470;trinque;pete_dushenski: god.. the "fair market" is ripe for use as a propaganda term on their end 1195766;1436479482;pete_dushenski;and because "competition" means worse people getting more shit free ! 1195767;1436479490;pete_dushenski;trinque seems to be moving that way 1195768;1436479509;pete_dushenski;another word for socialists to reappropriate 1195769;1436479540;pete_dushenski;because "the market doesn't work unless we make it work" 1195770;1436479549;mircea_popescu;you generally know who the retards wish to be by looking whose words they try to misuse. 1195771;1436479555;pete_dushenski;fascinating hubris, these guys. 1195772;1436479558;mircea_popescu;currently, all signs point to... us. 1195773;1436479579;pete_dushenski;'all roads lead to rome' 1195774;1436479605;pete_dushenski;or venice, as the case may be. 1195775;1436479659;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, aha the forward of the book is by berwick, the galt's gulch guy who got a write up in trilema 1195776;1436479662;asciilifeform;what part of the linked text is false ? 1195777;1436479710;asciilifeform;gonna tell me that the folks who service the money printers are paid 'for unique skills' rather than 'because who will stop them from taking every other bucket home' ? 1195778;1436479759;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/be78def1cabf80ec440a73edf5dbbd7b/tumblr_n9svk1RoIs1s6dk4zo1_500.jpg 1195779;1436479760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqWfjD ) 1195780;1436479789;asciilifeform;is that even female. 1195781;1436479806;mircea_popescu;sexist. 1195782;1436479933;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195371 <<< what can i say other than the longer i am sober the more inclined i am to head outside than sit here on pc 1195783;1436479933;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 18:37:52; mircea_popescu: sounds like you reached the age of cazalla 1195784;1436479936;*;trinque is slurping naggum posts from here http://xach.com/naggum/articles/ 1195785;1436479937;assbot;Erik Naggum comp.lang.lisp archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqWpaQ ) 1195786;1436479987;asciilifeform;trinque: have you tried emailing xach for a copy of the archive and very spiffy browsing scripts ? 1195787;1436479991;asciilifeform;that'd be the real deal 1195788;1436480020;asciilifeform;incidentally, he's - as fas as i can tell - an actual person and probably would belong here. 1195789;1436480097;trinque;I have not; could do that, yeah 1195790;1436480183;trinque;would be great to grab all these http://www.xach.com/naggum/books/ 1195791;1436480184;assbot;The Erik Naggum Bookshelf ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqWICs ) 1195792;1436480207;asciilifeform;trinque: your stockpile probably isn't complete without a stack of 'mitsui' gold-reflector cd burns 1195793;1436480229;asciilifeform;trinque: i bid on some of those 1195794;1436480239;asciilifeform;the coveted ansi standard, in particular 1195795;1436480242;trinque;baby-archivist steps so far, but I was looking at tape archive systems earlier :p 1195796;1436480246;asciilifeform;it was gone seemingly minutes after he died 1195797;1436480249;asciilifeform;never had a chance 1195798;1436480273;asciilifeform;(the pdf you get if you're an idiot and pay ansi $20, or on warez - same, is an almost unreadable scan) 1195799;1436480308;asciilifeform;i have wanted that thing for years. but i;m not paying usg 500 for a book 1195800;1436480332;asciilifeform;esp. since i have it on good authority that they've been laser-printing that pdf 1195801;1436480336;asciilifeform;for anyone dumb enough to pay 1195802;1436480360;trinque;lol 1195803;1436480456;asciilifeform;waitasec 1195804;1436480462;asciilifeform;those aren't naggum's books! 1195805;1436480463;asciilifeform;scam! 1195806;1436480468;asciilifeform;fucktonnes of garbage 1195807;1436480476;trinque;orly 1195808;1436480477;asciilifeform;and i ~remember~ the list from his estate sale 1195809;1436480520;trinque;yeah "adobe flex for dummies" lol?! 1195810;1436480558;trinque;I dunno, maybe this included the basement books 1195811;1436480585;trinque;heh osu has throttled me for pulling too many distfiles from them 1195812;1436480602;asciilifeform;original was at http://www.flownet.com/ron/Cat_Naggum.06.10.pdf 1195813;1436480604;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqX9wI ) 1195814;1436480604;asciilifeform;but long gone 1195815;1436480610;asciilifeform;it did not have garbage. 1195816;1436480689;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/books/catalog.pdf << here we go 1195817;1436480690;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqXdfI ) 1195818;1436480718;asciilifeform;notice, none of the american pablum 1195819;1436480724;asciilifeform;and none of the microshit 1195820;1436480730;asciilifeform;how those got in the other list, i do not know 1195821;1436480796;trinque;cool, ty 1195822;1436480862;asciilifeform;about to post a de-pdf'd version 1195823;1436480999;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt 1195824;1436481002;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToJHYb ) 1195825;1436481026;trinque;nice 1195826;1436481037;trinque;deedbot- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt 1195827;1436481039;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToJOTN ) 1195828;1436481039;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1195829;1436481040;trinque;derp 1195830;1436481045;trinque;not signed 1195831;1436481051;asciilifeform;1sec 1195832;1436481138;asciilifeform;try now 1195833;1436481146;trinque;deedbot- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt 1195834;1436481149;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToJTXE ) 1195835;1436481149;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1195836;1436481153;asciilifeform;dafuq 1195837;1436481158;trinque;bwah? 1195838;1436481163;asciilifeform;i motherfucking signed it 1195839;1436481169;trinque;yeh, I'll figure it out 1195840;1436481277;asciilifeform;wtf did that ~other~ list come from 1195841;1436481281;danielpbarron;idk if anyone else had tried this already, but I sent some bitcoin to an address created by 0.5.3.1-beta on my pogo, and I think I have successfully sent it all back out but bc.i doesn't want to admit my transaction exists yet 1195842;1436481281;asciilifeform;it made me want to throw up 1195843;1436481311;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: when carrying out this experiment, please remember that pogo HAS NO RNG 1195844;1436481326;kakobrekla;yet 1195845;1436481327;danielpbarron;i sent in 0.001 and sent out 0.0005 with a 0.0005 fee 1195846;1436481331;kakobrekla;we will be bolting it on shorty. 1195847;1436481333;kakobrekla;lulz 1195848;1436481351;trinque; http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/c/cd/Locutus_complexion_drain.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130214005126&path-prefix=en 1195849;1436481353;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToKgkW ) 1195850;1436481471;danielpbarron;also, BingoBoingo's proposed change to 0.001 of the minrelayfee is very handy for keeping pogo synced 1195851;1436481498;asciilifeform;^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^ 1195852;1436481503;trinque;this python-gnupg is a motherfucking piece of shit 1195853;1436481514;danielpbarron;was formerly a dozen or so blocks behind, after restart with new setting, almost fully synced in half an hour 1195854;1436481516;asciilifeform;sure is! 1195855;1436481529;danielpbarron;no patch necessary; it's a config option 1195856;1436481674;trinque;like... I'm just going to shell out to the gpg binary 1195857;1436481680;trinque;ENOUGH. 1195858;1436481816;asciilifeform;trinque: know that gpg was built just like this. 1195859;1436481819;asciilifeform;like gcc was 1195860;1436481827;asciilifeform;doesn't 'libraryize' at all - by design. 1195861;1436481844;asciilifeform;i imagine this was done for similar reasons as for gcc. 1195862;1436482097;BingoBoingo; ^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^ << This is a bitcoin.conf option 1195863;1436482316;decimation;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Datum-Symmetricom-BC635PCI-U-PCI-Time-and-Frequency-Card-BC635PCI-QTY-Avail-/161733020476 < for folks wishing to create their own usg-free ntp server 1195864;1436482318;assbot; Datum Symmetricom BC635PCI U PCI Time and Frequency Card BC635PCI Qty Avail | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToLWe6 ) 1195865;1436482625;decimation;appears to have onboard ocxo, which the datasheet claims 5e-8 stability - about +/- 1.5 seconds per year 1195866;1436482722;jurov;..at 25 +/- 0.1 C , no? 1195867;1436482760;hanbot;!rated jurov 1195868;1436482760;assbot;You rated user jurov on 24-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: A dili-, intelli-, gent.. 1195869;1436482782;jurov;lol my name's day here 1195870;1436482867;hanbot;!rate jurov 3 A dili-, intelli-, gent. Eulora copper merchant extraordinaire. 1195871;1436482867;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4b856e57905757bc 1195872;1436482927;hanbot;!v assbot:hanbot.rate.jurov.3:7d94608b06d5546bfb17e08573890583b92baec4a8e2116ff570e0ffe5a8f477 1195873;1436482927;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 1 to 3 with note: A dili-, intelli-, gent. Eulora copper merchant extraordinaire. 1195874;1436482987;jurov;meh. not exactly cutting my own throat 1195875;1436483413;ben_vulpes;GOOD AFTERNOON 1195876;1436483474;BingoBoingo;Oh United Nuclear has graduated to selling metallic Uranium in quantity https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_8&products_id=1078&zenid=b7a1b3d5deedd67923024b5154d3d3ea 1195877;1436483476;assbot;Uranium Metal, large samples : United Nuclear , Scientific Equipment & Supplies ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsMVpi ) 1195878;1436483813;asciilifeform;decimation: what's that thing do 1195879;1436483819;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't see anything oven-like 1195880;1436483825;asciilifeform;or large enough to be a ru oscillato 1195881;1436483826;asciilifeform;r 1195882;1436484097;BingoBoingo;^ 1195883;1436484126;asciilifeform;http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Cesium-Beam-Frequency-Standard-5061A/151274829277 << cheap! 1195884;1436484128;assbot; HP Cesium Beam Frequency Standard 5061A | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToP1Ln ) 1195885;1436484143;asciilifeform;less than my computer, even 1195886;1436484233;asciilifeform;http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp50/primary-frequency-standards.cfm << illustration for n00bs, of usg's cesium fountain 1195887;1436484234;assbot;primary frequency standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToPahF ) 1195888;1436484940;asciilifeform;iirc the tube's good for about a decade 1195889;1436484946;asciilifeform;so probably not such a deal after all. 1195890;1436485163;asciilifeform;http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/history-atomichron.asp << historical 1195891;1436485165;assbot;IEEE UFFC | History | Atomichron: The Atomic Clock from Concept to Commercial Product ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToQzVJ ) 1195892;1436485250;trinque;asciilifeform: the text of that message silently crashes or hangs python when **printed!!** 1195893;1436485268;asciilifeform;'Though the instrument spoke well for itself, National continued its promotional efforts. These were misplaced, for there was in those early years no commercial market. Ninety percent of those first fifty Atomichrons were purchased by military agencies for their own installations and for loan to other government facilities, university-operated military laboratories, and university laboratories. The other 10 percent were purcha 1195894;1436485268;asciilifeform;sed by other U.S. and foreign government agencies. Apart from their evident utility as frequency standards in laboratories engaged in research in that field, or responsible for the maintenance and transmission of standard frequency and time signals, there was at first no well-established application for these instruments. ' 1195895;1436485273;asciilifeform;trinque: wai wat 1195896;1436485276;asciilifeform;which messag 1195897;1436485281;trinque;also cannot copy/paste and reupload to dpaste. dpaste gives me a blank screen after POST 1195898;1436485288;trinque;asciilifeform: naggum's lib on your server 1195899;1436485290;asciilifeform;dpaste gave me a 'too long' 1195900;1436485307;trinque;I just grabbed it with requests *and* verified it with the gnupg turd by hand 1195901;1436485312;asciilifeform;trinque: can you get me any output from the crash ? 1195902;1436485320;trinque;it doesn't say shit, but trying, yeah 1195903;1436485589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00053037 = 3.7391 BTC [-] 1195904;1436485860;*;asciilifeform realizes with horror that he owns perhaps 90% of the titles in naggum's library list 1195905;1436485868;asciilifeform;if not more 1195906;1436486021;mats;u r naggum 1195907;1436486029;asciilifeform;not dead of colitis yet... 1195908;1436486047;asciilifeform;i suppose when i end up with ~all~ the bookz - then. 1195909;1436486065;trinque;deedbot- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt 1195910;1436486068;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToRWnk ) 1195911;1436486068;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1195912;1436486076;asciilifeform;trinque: so what was that about 1195913;1436486076;trinque;solution being... use less python 1195914;1436486123;trinque;asciilifeform: dunno, python was choking on the string silently; maybe I'll investigate more later 1195915;1436486134;asciilifeform;python 2 or 3 ? 1195916;1436486135;trinque;as for now, I made curl and gpg kiss via the shell (quoted of course) 1195917;1436486138;trinque;python 2 1195918;1436486157;asciilifeform;iirc 2 chokes on just about anything other than straight ascii 1195919;1436486163;asciilifeform;guess there was a uniturd in there, somewhere 1195920;1436486167;asciilifeform;probably the norwegian titles 1195921;1436486170;trinque;towards the end, yeah 1195922;1436486263;trinque;and I'll be curious at 5:15 whether it shits something verifiable on deedbot.org 1195923;1436486268;trinque;for now, I depart 1195924;1436486278;asciilifeform;later. 1195925;1436486382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19392 @ 0.00052413 = 10.1639 BTC [-] {2} 1195926;1436486443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60508 @ 0.00051431 = 31.1199 BTC [-] 1195927;1436487051;whaack;I'm working on installing the eulora client on mac, and I have two questions 1195928;1436487180;whaack;(1) When you unzip the tar you get a directory with Eulora, data-cs, and a readme. Do you want people installing the game to remove the data-cs and readme and rename the "Eulora" directory to eulora-src? 1195929;1436487270;whaack;If not, it seems that every instruction on the wiki should be .../eulora-src/Eulora/... instead of /eulora-src/ 1195930;1436487350;whaack;(2) The last instruction says to run ./configure inside of eulora-src, but there is no configure file 1195931;1436487480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00052319 = 17.056 BTC [+] 1195932;1436487598;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo the min fee thing isn't, as far as i can tell, in therealbitcoin. interested in writing a patch ? 1195933;1436487598;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1195934;1436487688;BingoBoingo;I'm not sure I am good enough at create new code. I might dig and mail code I pull from turdmeister's 0.7.3 version for this and getpeerinfo, unsure if I can put together something that *works* 1195935;1436487713;williamdunne;jurov: Any plans to get Eurola on steam? 1195936;1436487727;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0527 1195937;1436487728;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1INoy6R ) 1195938;1436487734;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ what we have 1195939;1436487754;mircea_popescu;whaack the mac instructyions may be a little stale 1195940;1436487768;mircea_popescu;give a look at the nix stuff maybe it clarifies ? 1195941;1436487786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41108 @ 0.0005126 = 21.072 BTC [-] {2} 1195942;1436487809;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: GetMinFee figures in AcceptToMemoryPool and CreateNewBlock 1195943;1436487812;asciilifeform;just as one might expect. 1195944;1436487819;BingoBoingo;Ah 1195945;1436487825;asciilifeform;and in CreateTransaction 1195946;1436487871;asciilifeform;the way i see it, what to relay is really a personal choice for node operator 1195947;1436487897;asciilifeform;last i saw, the 'spammer' was sending 'old coins' though 1195948;1436487922;asciilifeform;presently i'm not certain why i should give a fuck re: the spam 1195949;1436487986;*;asciilifeform not a big fan of the whole 'mempool' scheme, but has said this before, it's in the logz 1195950;1436488592;*;williamdunne has nearly got Eurola running, interface reminds me of a game I worked on once upon a time 1195951;1436488646;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Would y'mind setting me up with an account? 1195952;1436488737;mircea_popescu;nope 1195953;1436488741;mircea_popescu;onesec 1195954;1436488899;williamdunne;God, now I'm having flashbacks to working with scaleform and Adobe Flash 1195955;1436488957;mircea_popescu;lol no flahs here 1195956;1436488963;whaack;mircea_popescu: yeah it seems there was an instruction that was missing that was in the other sections, I've updated the wiki 1195957;1436488970;mircea_popescu;tyvm. 1195958;1436488978;mircea_popescu;usually how these things go 1195959;1436488987;mircea_popescu;you want an acct too ? 1195960;1436489085;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well, IIRC it wasn't flash directly, but for some retarded reason they thought it'd be a good idea to reverse engineer the flash format so you'd do some coding and the design in adobe flash 1195961;1436489105;williamdunne;So the process was create frames in Photoshop, import to flash, add some actioncrap, and then export to scaleform 1195962;1436489112;williamdunne;Which 50% of the time wouldn't work 1195963;1436489163;mircea_popescu;williamdunne http://dpaste.com/3EYNJJP 1195964;1436489164;assbot;dpaste: 3EYNJJP ... ( http://bit.ly/1INrgt8 ) 1195965;1436489188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54042 @ 0.00051194 = 27.6663 BTC [-] {2} 1195966;1436489244;whaack;mircea_popescu: yes please, but I'm still working on getting the client running 1195967;1436489249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48158 @ 0.00050997 = 24.5591 BTC [-] {3} 1195968;1436489253;mircea_popescu;aite 1195969;1436489283;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Thanks, seems to be working so far 1195970;1436489289;mircea_popescu;o hey 1195971;1436489296;mircea_popescu;ima be in there in a few mins get you started :) 1195972;1436489357;williamdunne;Awesome 1195973;1436489454;mircea_popescu;whaack http://dpaste.com/3KT2S67 1195974;1436489455;assbot;dpaste: 3KT2S67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1INrSio ) 1195975;1436489625;BingoBoingo;Ah, the minrelaytxfee flag I thought I was using was doing nothing, because it apparently didn't exist until 0.9 1195976;1436489920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.000534 = 15.486 BTC [+] 1195977;1436490103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00053839 = 1.9382 BTC [+] 1195978;1436490423;shinohai;!up SuchWow 1195979;1436490445;SuchWow;is there a litecoin-assets yet lol 1195980;1436490464;shinohai;ren't you a dogecoiner SuchWow ? 1195981;1436490519;ben_vulpes;SuchWow: what's litecoin? 1195982;1436490529;shinohai;kek 1195983;1436490572;ben_vulpes;271609 1195984;1436490610;ben_vulpes; i want every token << you probably want the serialization insanity as well 1195985;1436490671;BingoBoingo;Ah, the pull request that created the -minrelaytxfee flag https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files 1195986;1436490673;assbot;Treat dust outputs as non-standard, un-hardcode TX_FEE constants by gavinandresen · Pull Request #2577 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1INtRTZ ) 1195987;1436490686;ben_vulpes;anyways with all this froofraw it'd be nice to have a mining pool that ran 0.5.3 1195988;1436490753;SuchWow;shinohai: dogecoin is just what got me into crypo in dec 2013, i then daytraded btc/usc (and occasionally alts, plus a small mining venture) from Jan-July '13, and have been back to just working a day job for the last year or so 1195989;1436490764;SuchWow;i still find it fun and useful to keep a close eye on cryptos daily 1195990;1436490777;SuchWow;that 'future' gonna be here quicker than we know it :) 1195991;1436490778;ben_vulpes;> fun 1195992;1436490783;ben_vulpes;nothing is fun 1195993;1436490786;ben_vulpes;arbeith macht frei 1195994;1436490818;SuchWow;o/ 1195995;1436490824;SuchWow;;p 1195996;1436490892;ben_vulpes; As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain << hear hear 1195997;1436490919;ben_vulpes;but it's not so much the brain as the necessity of linearization of memory for things that travel along a 3-brane 1195998;1436490936;ben_vulpes;(that itself is drifting steadily along another axis) 1195999;1436490978;ben_vulpes;too heady for you, SuchWow? 1196000;1436491108;ben_vulpes; pogo cannot see the sun! << i hazard that pogo is not the thing 1196001;1436491114;ben_vulpes;but the people setting pogos up is the thing 1196002;1436491120;ben_vulpes;the difference between "fire and forget" 1196003;1436491140;ben_vulpes;and giving some random noobs the opportunity to play bitcoinrpb 1196004;1436491145;ben_vulpes;bitcoingrpg* 1196005;1436491156;ben_vulpes;see there's eulora for the gamers 1196006;1436491164;ben_vulpes;qntra for the writers 1196007;1436491169;ben_vulpes;and the real bitcoin for the hackers 1196008;1436491172;SuchWow;sry, super sleep dep, 14 hour workdays, being engaged on multiple chans 1196009;1436491174;SuchWow;reading 1196010;1436491201;ben_vulpes;it's okay suchwaoender, i'm approximately 1.8lol behind 1196011;1436491212;SuchWow;we need lolyears 1196012;1436491226;ben_vulpes;1.8klol* 1196013;1436491236;ben_vulpes;a lol is a "line of log", SuchWow. 1196014;1436491236;SuchWow;whereas the speed of lol is somehow inversely proportional to the speed of gossip on the interent or some such 1196015;1436491243;SuchWow;or that would work to 1196016;1436491249;ben_vulpes;gossip is already a reserved term, sorry. 1196017;1436491252;SuchWow;*too 1196018;1436491284;SuchWow;yeah, no, i'm seriously too wasted (exhausted) to have much intelligent discourse. Thanks for the up tho, next time :) 1196019;1436491313;ben_vulpes;SuchWow: get a fucking key. 1196020;1436491315;ben_vulpes;fucking register. 1196021;1436491334;ben_vulpes;shinohai: you up him again... 1196022;1436491338;ben_vulpes;I KEEL U 1196023;1436491343;SuchWow;this is irc lol 1196024;1436491353;SuchWow;i will not register with anything for the ability to speak in an irc chan 1196025;1436491357;SuchWow;it's just ludicrous imo 1196026;1436491364;SuchWow;exercise basic chan mgmt :) 1196027;1436491372;SuchWow;i opped #dogecoin for 18 months 1196028;1436491375;SuchWow;it *can* be done lol 1196029;1436491376;shinohai;ludicrous how? to verify your identity securely? 1196030;1436491385;SuchWow;i regged with nickserv 1196031;1436491387;SuchWow;that's plenty 1196032;1436491389;*;shinohai dogecoin is a scam 1196033;1436491402;SuchWow;i haven't paid attention to dogecoin in the longest time 1196034;1436491421;BingoBoingo;Wow, init.cpp got bloated between 0.5.3 and 0.9 1196035;1436491440;shinohai;http://bit.ly/1glId2X 1196036;1436491441;assbot;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1INvd14 ) 1196037;1436491464;BingoBoingo;More than doubled in size 1196038;1436491500;SuchWow;i think dogecoin is mainly just investor speculation at this point, and obviously several very large investors from early on and probably throughout 1196039;1436491520;SuchWow;the community has shrunk almost as exponentially as it grew over the last year 1196040;1436491535;SuchWow;but i don't think this chan is about that kind of stuff? 1196041;1436491566;SuchWow;everytime i talk here, you all start bring up dogecoin - for the record, it has never once been me. 1196042;1436491641;shinohai;> but i don't think this chan is about that kind of stuff? 1196043;1436491679;shinohai;anywho ben_vulpes did u say i no can give cheezburger to SuchWow ? 1196044;1436491697;SuchWow;he's just fuckin around cuz he wants me to register with your bot or something 1196045;1436491705;SuchWow;it's cool lol 1196046;1436491714;SuchWow;at least i don't bitch about being upped anymore :) 1196047;1436491810;williamdunne;Oh god, Eurola has got me looking over some of the work I had done previously. Not all of em' are good uns' 1196048;1436491857;mats;so, interestingly, one 'Vitaliy Toropov' appears to be a current employee of ZDI (as of 29Apr2015) and... appears to have sold exploits to HT 1196049;1436491864;mats;hue hue hue 1196050;1436491888;mats;er, as of that date, afaik 1196051;1436491908;shinohai;not my bot ftr 1196052;1436492188;mats;https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/48098 1196053;1436492189;assbot;WikiLeaks - The Hackingteam Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1INwIfG ) 1196054;1436492421;mats;actually, strike that, having difficulty confirming whether he's actually an employee 1196055;1436492582;shinohai;arch is kinda neat 1196056;1436492777;mircea_popescu;SuchWow investor may not mean what you think it means. 1196057;1436492778;*;BingoBoingo actually trying to put this knob together. ;;;; 1196058;1436492782;mircea_popescu;it's not directly equivalent to "spent money". 1196059;1436494081;shinohai;Erik Voorhees to the rescue again http://coinivore.com/2015/07/09/litecoin-exchange-volume-outpaces-bitcoin-for-first-time/ 1196060;1436494083;assbot;Litecoin Exchange Volume Outpaces Bitcoin For First Time - Coinivore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaOHWU ) 1196061;1436494412;mod6;So I was stuck on block: 363734, then updated time, restarted bitcoind, now seem be be stuck on 363736 for >24 hours. 1196062;1436494432;asciilifeform;mod6: who are you peered with ? 1196063;1436494438;mod6;mp 1196064;1436494444;asciilifeform;he's wedged iirc ! 1196065;1436494452;asciilifeform;stop peering with him until he unwedges 1196066;1436494461;asciilifeform;betcha his clock is off too. 1196067;1436494498;mod6;ok, i had thought that I read somewhere that he said he was gonna let it be until he could examine the fork closer. I never could find it in the log though. Thought maybe I imagined it. 1196068;1436494525;asciilifeform;he did 1196069;1436494532;asciilifeform;and apparently letting it be didn't unwedge it 1196070;1436494542;mod6;ah. 1196071;1436494548;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts his clock is off. 1196072;1436494550;asciilifeform;like mine was. 1196073;1436494560;mod6;mine was 25 seconds behind or something. 1196074;1436494586;asciilifeform;that's not enough to wedge 1196075;1436494659;mod6;hrm. maybe im misinterpreted the output 1196076;1436494715;mod6;anyway, it might not be a bad time for me to stop it now anyway, and break off to try some other things. I wanna test build stator on gentoo. 1196077;1436494741;asciilifeform;its natural habitat! 1196078;1436494744;asciilifeform;test, test. 1196079;1436494759;mod6;I see that nubs' gentoo sanity patch isn't applied, wanna get some testing in there. I'm putting a guide together so someone can patch by hand if they like. 1196080;1436494782;asciilifeform;i never needed that one 1196081;1436494785;asciilifeform;to run on my gentoos 1196082;1436494794;asciilifeform;so i never applied it 1196083;1436494800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40332 @ 0.00053839 = 21.7143 BTC [+] 1196084;1436494809;asciilifeform;though i think one or two things in it are in my kills_integer_retardation patch 1196085;1436494825;mod6;ok, good to know. i'll give it a shot on my end. will report back sometime next day or so. 1196086;1436494878;mod6;yah. and that is included. 1196087;1436494922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43576 @ 0.00053862 = 23.4709 BTC [+] 1196088;1436495010;mod6;in particular, this test will be with vanilla gcc (glibc) and not uclibc. With uclibc, I had to do some extra tweaks: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160161 1196089;1436495010;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 02:57:07; mod6: no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include '' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok. 1196090;1436495033;asciilifeform;i thought nobody got anywhere with uclibc ... ? 1196091;1436495049;mod6;well, no, never did link for me properly 1196092;1436495058;asciilifeform;anyone try musl yet ? 1196093;1436495076;mod6;but these problems arose during compiliation. and once the above was applied, was seemingly resolved. 1196094;1436495077;williamdunne;https://github.com/hackedteam/rcs-common/blob/master/lib/rcs-common/evidence/file.rb#L17 1196095;1436495078;assbot;rcs-common/file.rb at master · hackedteam/rcs-common · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaQg7x ) 1196096;1436495086;mod6;haven't tried musl yet no. 1196097;1436495091;mod6;it's on the list. 1196098;1436495104;mod6;heh, it's a long list. :] 1196099;1436495111;asciilifeform;williamdunne: l0l! 1196100;1436495112;mod6;i'll get there though. 1196101;1436495201;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Wonder how many times it was used 1196102;1436495224;williamdunne;Looks like that feature was created at the request of the Italian gov mabbeh 1196103;1436495226;mod6;williamdunne: did you get setup in euloraland? 1196104;1436495240;williamdunne;mod6: Ish, I did all the beginner stuff, and then died 1196105;1436495277;mircea_popescu;mined anything ? 1196106;1436495297;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: No, dieded. Then had some marketing work I figured I ought to be doing 1196107;1436495302;williamdunne;To be continued 1196108;1436495380;mircea_popescu;mod6 it won't go past that for a while. 1196109;1436495395;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is your node still wedged ? 1196110;1436495411;mircea_popescu;im sure it is. 1196111;1436495422;asciilifeform;and clock ? 1196112;1436495426;mircea_popescu;hm 1196113;1436495447;asciilifeform;make sure to compare epoch clock 1196114;1436495450;asciilifeform;not calendar 1196115;1436495454;mircea_popescu;$date 1196116;1436495454;mircea_popescu;Thu Jul 9 22:30:43 EDT 2015 1196117;1436495457;mod6;hi mircea_popescu! ok thanks. ima shut it down for now. although, im gonna sync against it with obsd here in the next few days.. different env. 1196118;1436495472;*;BingoBoingo nearing -minrelaytxfee recipe 1196119;1436495488;mircea_popescu;$hwclock 1196120;1436495488;mircea_popescu;Thu 09 Jul 2015 10:30:49 PM EDT -0.727640 seconds 1196121;1436495490;mircea_popescu;better ? 1196122;1436495534;asciilifeform;date +%s 1196123;1436495536;asciilifeform;^^^^^^^ 1196124;1436495563;mircea_popescu;1436495557 1196125;1436495568;mod6;1436495564 1196126;1436495591;asciilifeform;hm matches mine within a few s 1196127;1436495595;mod6;yea 1196128;1436495600;asciilifeform;and still at original wedgepoint ? 1196129;1436495605;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1196130;1436495612;asciilifeform;peer count ? 1196131;1436495707;mircea_popescu;netstat -ao | grep "8333" | wc -l 1196132;1436495707;mircea_popescu;55 1196133;1436495751;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescucoind keep logs ? 1196134;1436495758;mircea_popescu;sure. 1196135;1436495758;asciilifeform;anything re: rejected blocks in those 1196136;1436495799;mircea_popescu;nah just spam txn rejected. 1196137;1436495832;asciilifeform;that'd be most peculiar 1196138;1436495863;asciilifeform;it would mean, if there is nothing peculiarly tight-lipped about mircea_popescucoind's logging mechanism, that no one has so much as tried throwing the recent blocks at it 1196139;1436495904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so was the xemist guy nobody voiced actually al ? 1196140;1436495910;asciilifeform;waitasec 1196141;1436495911;asciilifeform;when was that 1196142;1436495914;asciilifeform;fuck 1196143;1436495938;mircea_popescu;heh. paymoar attention 1196144;1436495955;*;asciilifeform scrolls 1196145;1436495960;*;asciilifeform was... elsewhere 1196146;1436495962;mircea_popescu;anyway, i shall be off playin 1196147;1436495966;mircea_popescu;laters! 1196148;1436495969;asciilifeform;come back, Xemist 1196149;1436495971;asciilifeform;damn. 1196150;1436496030;*;asciilifeform sent him a mail with link to this logtime.. 1196151;1436496054;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> !up Xemist 1196152;1436496072;mod6;he came here, was here for 5 minutes, was up'd while here, never said anything. 1196153;1436496082;asciilifeform;hm 1196154;1436496099;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> Xemist you wouldn't be al would you ? 1196155;1436496113;mod6;no response to that either. 1196156;1436496131;asciilifeform;mod6: netsplit ?? 1196157;1436496134;asciilifeform;i don't see this up 1196158;1436496135;asciilifeform;or the convo 1196159;1436496158;asciilifeform;OR he got ddosed 1196160;1436496161;mod6;lemme check for split, and i'll paste the log. 1196161;1436496163;asciilifeform;which is still a thing 1196162;1436496185;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu when do we get the ddoser's head on a stick? 1196163;1436496185;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1196164;1436496250;mod6;i don't see any splits in my log, but here's the log from b-a: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195623 1196165;1436496250;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 21:25:25; mircea_popescu: !up Xemist 1196166;1436496271;asciilifeform;it isn't in my log! 1196167;1436496282;asciilifeform;or in log.bitcoin-assets.com ! 1196168;1436496287;asciilifeform;go, see 1196169;1436496294;mod6;i can paste mine if that helps, but connect/disconnect msgs included 1196170;1436496299;asciilifeform;i believe 1196171;1436496305;asciilifeform;but ipso facto netsplit 1196172;1436496321;mod6;check the log link I just posted above. 1196173;1436496321;scoopbot_revived;Mouse / Keyboard Automation for Linux http://trilema.com/2015/mouse-keyboard-automation-for-linux/ 1196174;1436496366;asciilifeform;mod6: apologies, i had the 10-7 page up 1196175;1436496371;asciilifeform;yes, it's in there. 1196176;1436496381;asciilifeform;gonna guess he got ddosed. 1196177;1436496400;mod6;ah, ok. he came in from webchat, looks like to me. 1196178;1436496414;asciilifeform;aha, iirc danielpbarron invited him to. 1196179;1436496428;mod6;ah 1196180;1436496470;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1196181;1436496808;asciilifeform;for completeness, i will also mention the possibility that we (or what al can see of us in his light-cone) didn't pass his bozo filter. 1196182;1436496824;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/3V1972C.txt 1196183;1436496824;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPsXcE ) 1196184;1436496874;BingoBoingo;^ recipe for adding flag to stator 1196185;1436496931;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: methinks you left something out ? 1196186;1436496950;asciilifeform;grep -i nMinRelayTxFee * | wc -l 1196187;1436496950;asciilifeform;0 1196188;1436497018;BingoBoingo;Ah, wrong version 1196189;1436497052;asciilifeform;what version was the patch for ? 1196190;1436497082;BingoBoingo;stator. I mean wrong version of the revision, lemme pull up init.cpp and fix this 1196191;1436497096;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no reason to hurry 1196192;1436497114;mod6;true. and perhaps use unified diff 1196193;1436497127;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i normally post patches after i read five times or so, and test them (to the point where 150,000+ blocks are pulled) 1196194;1436497135;BingoBoingo;no idea what unified diff means 1196195;1436497151;BingoBoingo;By yes, playing with this one first. 1196196;1436497151;asciilifeform;there's a handy page on therealbitcoin.org 1196197;1436497160;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html 1196198;1436497161;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPtbjZ ) 1196199;1436497182;mod6;asciilifeform is quicker on the draw than me tonight. 1196200;1436497187;asciilifeform;congrats to BingoBoingo though, for taking the gloves off and going at the patch game 1196201;1436497188;mod6;i just had that in hand. 1196202;1436497194;mod6;yeah, thasnks BingoBoingo 1196203;1436497220;mod6;anyway, that link is a bit old as it describes the directories as: bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b 1196204;1436497225;mod6;but you'll get the general idea. 1196205;1436497277;mod6;ask in here if you get stuck, but again, no rush. 1196206;1436497363;BingoBoingo;Actual changes http://dpaste.com/1Y0MG37 will look at actually submitting after more reading and testing and learning process 1196207;1436497364;assbot;dpaste: 1Y0MG37 ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPthIi ) 1196208;1436497395;BingoBoingo;Surprised how little change this seems to take vs. 0.9 Bitcoin CORE implementation of flag 1196209;1436497486;asciilifeform;wai didja just return printf("... ? 1196210;1436497504;BingoBoingo;I know nothing better to do 1196211;1436497613;asciilifeform;a few other nitpicks. the all-caps convention in bitcoind refers to constants 1196212;1436497673;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: printf happens to return 1 (true) if it succeeded in printf-ing 1196213;1436497686;asciilifeform;so you'd want to printf and then return false 1196214;1436497722;asciilifeform;this is not seriously important in this case, but it follows 'unix philosophy' in the sense that a proggy returning false lets you use its failure as part of a shell script 1196215;1436497762;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it. 1196216;1436497867;asciilifeform;not a bad start BingoBoingo 1196217;1436497880;asciilifeform;this patch is gonna be a first-class bitch to actually test though.. 1196218;1436497915;asciilifeform;really gotta write a proper node monitor 1196219;1436497924;asciilifeform;(tx incoming, tx relayed, blocks...) 1196220;1436497950;asciilifeform;('incoming' in the network may-or-may-not-relay sense, rather than coins sense) 1196221;1436497990;asciilifeform;oughta be able to watch the 'vital signs' of a node, if one wishes 1196222;1436498009;asciilifeform;see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc. 1196223;1436498020;asciilifeform;anybody here likes programming for x11 ? 1196224;1436498026;*;asciilifeform listens to the sound of silence 1196225;1436498087;asciilifeform;~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx 1196226;1436498091;asciilifeform;which would collect, in a zoo 1196227;1436498102;asciilifeform;who is sending what kind of retarded tx, and why? 1196228;1436498117;asciilifeform;how often - bad sig 1196229;1436498129;asciilifeform;and how often is the latter a plausible result of bitrot 1196230;1436498156;asciilifeform;how often is bad tx resulting from the use of some peculiar 'hearnia' ? (on my node - apparently, quite often) 1196231;1436498165;BingoBoingo;So ever so slightly less shitty revision? http://dpaste.com/0SBAYB4 1196232;1436498166;assbot;dpaste: 0SBAYB4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRlVQS ) 1196233;1436498191;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the return never happens 1196234;1436498206;mod6;<+asciilifeform> see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc. << ncurses instead of x11? 1196235;1436498209;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: c n00b mistake. need else { ... ... } 1196236;1436498216;asciilifeform;mod6: gonna be ugly 1196237;1436498219;asciilifeform;mod6: could try 1196238;1436498244;asciilifeform;i fucking hate ncurses-mouse proggies 1196239;1436498249;*;BingoBoingo ptolly needs to practice C 1196240;1436498255;asciilifeform;and not sure if there is a simple way to weasel out of using the rodent here 1196241;1436498261;mod6;fair enough. i guess if it were me, it'd be great start to just dump the block txs to a file or STDOUT or something. 1196242;1436498266;*;asciilifeform not ui specialist 1196243;1436498274;asciilifeform;mod6: phf wrote a tx dumper 1196244;1436498278;mod6;me either 1196245;1436498281;mod6;really? 1196246;1436498287;asciilifeform;aha 1196247;1436498288;asciilifeform;see log 1196248;1436498296;*;mod6 looks 1196249;1436498322;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/3XVTZ6H << last go at de shittening for a while 1196250;1436498324;assbot;dpaste: 3XVTZ6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPtP0U ) 1196251;1436498370;asciilifeform;mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185338 1196252;1436498370;assbot;Logged on 03-07-2015 17:50:03; phf: i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties. 1196253;1436498383;BingoBoingo;It's only been a decade since I touched C++ source with anything other than delete key 1196254;1436498392;mod6;thx ascii 1196255;1436498407;mod6;oh yeah, i remember now. 1196256;1436498450;mod6;i know exactly jack & squat about lisp 1196257;1436498498;mod6;i'll have to give this a try sometime. 1196258;1436498656;mod6;well, i guess i kinda got my toe wet with Nock. 1196259;1436498701;mod6;anyway, another thing for the list :] 1196260;1436499493;decimation;re: pci ocxo < yeah the ocxo is the metal case in the lower left 1196261;1436499528;decimation;and yeah that cesium standard is cheap - suspiciously so. cesium only lasts so long. 1196262;1436499788;asciilifeform;decimation: tube's good for ~decade 1196263;1436499797;asciilifeform;decimation: that can looks like a normal quartz resonator 1196264;1436499960;williamdunne;..... this is a thing: 1196265;1436499960;williamdunne;https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js/tree/master 1196266;1436499961;assbot;trevorlinton/webkit.js · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPuKhX ) 1196267;1436499982;asciilifeform;wai wat 1196268;1436499997;asciilifeform;or rather, why??!!! 1196269;1436500062;trinque;because his github picture is professionally shot 1196270;1436500096;trinque;yet he wore a hoodie 1196271;1436500105;trinque;but also a jacket, y'see 1196272;1436500109;*;asciilifeform doesn't see a picture 1196273;1436500118;trinque;https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/3111873?v=3&s=400 1196274;1436500119;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0y4nA ) 1196275;1436500135;decimation;nah ocxo often looks like a can 1196276;1436500151;decimation;but admittedly I can't say for sure, and they do have versions of the card with tcxo 1196277;1436500193;asciilifeform;http://www.eevblog.com/2012/01/14/eevblog-236-fe-5680a-rubidium-standard-teardown << interesting 1196278;1436500194;assbot;EEVblog #236 - FE-5680A Rubidium Standard Teardown | EEVblog - The Electronics Engineering Video Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0yiLs ) 1196279;1436500214;decimation;http://www.mti-milliren.com/ocxo_260_ocxo.html < this ocxo is as good as rubidium in terms of thermal stability 1196280;1436500216;assbot;MTI-Milliren Technologies, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0yni0 ) 1196281;1436500222;decimation;and quartz typically has better phase noise than rb 1196282;1436500239;decimation;but a new one will be >$500 in small qty 1196283;1436500241;asciilifeform;what's the point of rb then 1196284;1436500287;decimation;it does have slightly better aging 1196285;1436500304;decimation;but a new rb is like $2.5k 1196286;1436500350;decimation;note, these are well beyon pedestrian clocks, only for folks who 'need' less than miliseconds per year 1196287;1436500377;*;asciilifeform always thought that a 'proper' computer oughta include a bnc jack for rb or cesiumfountain on front panel 1196288;1436500382;asciilifeform;superceding the usual clock 1196289;1436500386;asciilifeform;(for cpu and rtc both) 1196290;1436500386;decimation;agreed 1196291;1436500394;decimation;it's rediculous that doesn't exist actually 1196292;1436500424;decimation;also the timing hardware available on typical x86 is usually shitty 1196293;1436500526;decimation;asciilifeform: the thing that's odd is that this kind of feature isn't 'avaiable for any price' 1196294;1436500530;decimation;at least on x86 servers 1196295;1436500537;decimation;surely the market is nonzero 1196296;1436500538;asciilifeform;on any machine i know o 1196297;1436500538;asciilifeform;f 1196298;1436500562;asciilifeform;... except for my biggest fpga board 1196299;1436500575;decimation;I think I linked an sbc that folks modded for this 1196300;1436500577;asciilifeform;it's got goldplated coax 'in's for clocking 1196301;1436500588;asciilifeform;no less than 4 of'em 1196302;1436500666;decimation;yeah that's typical for fpgas 1196303;1436500674;decimation;because people use for actual hard timing specs 1196304;1436501165;asciilifeform;http://www.periodictable.ru/037Rb/Rb_en.html 1196305;1436501166;assbot;Rubidium ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0ANxf ) 1196306;1436501326;asciilifeform;http://www.mar.li/memento_mori.php << lulz 1196307;1436501327;assbot;Martin Bircher - Art (www.mar.li) ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPwiZ3 ) 1196308;1436501517;decimation;lol 1196309;1436501537;decimation;asciilifeform: you should make one and calibrate in micromorts 1196310;1436501745;asciilifeform;http://pmonta.com/blog << also neat 1196311;1436501747;assbot;Signal and noise | Peter Monta's projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0Chr7 ) 1196312;1436501815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131236 @ 0.00053662 = 70.4239 BTC [-] {3} 1196313;1436501969;asciilifeform;http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill << lulz. 1196314;1436501970;assbot;First Atomic Clock Wristwatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0CNWg ) 1196315;1436501992;asciilifeform;'The watch keeps time to a few nanoseconds per day. The attractive display is based on 7-segment red LED technology. Batteries are included (they last about 45 minutes but are rechargeable). AC adapter included. There are no adjustments for daylight saving time; however the clock does handle leap seconds and keeps track of the [Modified Julian] date. This HP wristwatch includes 5/10 MHz and 1 PPS outputs. An internal keypad is 1196316;1436501992;asciilifeform; used to set the date and time. Not waterproof nor even water resistant. ' 1196317;1436502072;asciilifeform;http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-tom << moar. 1196318;1436502073;assbot;Climbing with Atomic Clocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0D9vV ) 1196319;1436502074;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Paul Okkerse (Hoofd ICT) ; ) 1196320;1436502076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS ) 1196321;1436502076;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Paul Okkerse (Hoofd ICT) ; ) 1196322;1436502078;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 ) 1196323;1436502085;decimation;that's a neat project (the gps receiver) 1196324;1436502106;decimation;lolz 1196325;1436502156;decimation;his 'wristwatch' still relies on wwvb 1196326;1436502168;decimation;oh wait, no it's cesium 1196327;1436502169;decimation;lol 1196328;1436502209;decimation;Are these more pirate partai types 1196329;1436502236;asciilifeform;devil knows 1196330;1436502283;decimation;oh he was on mircea's list already 1196331;1436502315;asciilifeform;that list oughta contain ~all~ the 4294967297 folk (see old log as to why) 1196332;1436502353;decimation;okay makes sense 1196333;1436502366;decimation;http://rondomvoetbal.nl/jonathan-steelt-punt-van-valleivogels/ apparently there's a paul okkerse who plays soccer 1196334;1436502368;assbot;Jonathan steelt punt van Valleivogels | Rondom Voetbal ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0DQpe ) 1196335;1436502462;asciilifeform;the 'leapsecond' blog is a goldmine 1196336;1436502537;asciilifeform;'The talk concludes with a first-hand description of Project GREAT, perhaps the ultimate DIY clock experiment. Van Baak methodically selected three of his best portable cesium clocks, outfitted the family minivan (with his wife's permission) as a traveling time laboratory, and drove with his three children up the highest mountain in Washington State. After staying on Mt. Rainier for a long weekend they returned home to compare 1196337;1436502537;asciilifeform; the traveling clocks against several atomic clocks left at home. Measurements confirmed that the clocks returned 22 nanoseconds ahead in time. ' << try sr at home! 1196338;1436502558;decimation;lol 1196339;1436502586;decimation;that's alot of cash to invest in 'diy' 1196340;1436502597;asciilifeform;the fella collects, builds, clocks 1196341;1436502601;decimation;!up Vexual 1196342;1436502641;asciilifeform;http://www.leapsecond.com/images/LabJan2001r.jpg 1196343;1436502642;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0Ex1N ) 1196344;1436502662;decimation;" A 5071A uses about 50 W at 24 VDC (~2 A)." damn that's alot of battery power 1196345;1436502685;Vexual;BingoBoingo, hows that red/green watch running? 1196346;1436502690;decimation;wow that's probably at least $500k in equipment 1196347;1436502725;decimation;he must have a 'golden toilet' job 1196348;1436502752;asciilifeform;... or retired and he cut a zero or three of the price tags by repairing with own hands 1196349;1436502764;decimation;heh yeah possibly 1196350;1436502833;decimation;I bet he runs an ntp server 1196351;1436502914;asciilifeform;http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/saoff << when clinton ordered gps to be made useful to public 1196352;1436502915;assbot; Effect of no SA on HP 58503A GPS Time & Frequency Receiver ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0FeYI ) 1196353;1436502982;decimation;the stability and accuracy of modern clocks actually enables a great deal of science and engineering 1196354;1436503068;decimation;interesting selective availability messed with time stability by a factor of 3 1196355;1436503087;Vexual;shit bb finds c++, suddenly both wrists show the same time, so is alfs predator time 1196356;1436503172;asciilifeform;clinton's announcement was a little disingenuous - the random noise is gone, yes, and the recent sats don't have it - however they do have option of beam-forming and denying gps to geography of hitler's choice 1196357;1436503199;asciilifeform;(if anyone remembers the old eu/galileo thread, where usg pissed and moaned about not being given root on galileo) 1196358;1436503223;asciilifeform;'give us root or we'll shoot' was the actual statement 1196359;1436503319;decimation;heh 1196360;1436503323;decimation;and then there's glosnas 1196361;1436503342;asciilifeform;one interesting aspect of the 'selective availability' era was that folks would actually collect the crud and broadcast... corrections! from an accurately-surveyed point 1196362;1436503351;asciilifeform;neatly cancelling out the fuzz 1196363;1436503363;asciilifeform;there was a whole industry, almost, devoted to this. 1196364;1436503477;asciilifeform;galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it 1196365;1436503573;decimation;that tom von baak character is a regular on time-nuts http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.nuts 1196366;1436503574;assbot;Gmane -- Mail To News And Back Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY9l1G ) 1196367;1436503601;decimation;surely the ru generals saw the writing on the wall 1196368;1436503620;asciilifeform;decimation: there was no money 1196369;1436503635;decimation;also, that kind of 'correction' is now broadcast from satellite today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System 1196370;1436503636;assbot;Wide Area Augmentation System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY9pyq ) 1196371;1436503672;decimation;^ attempts to correct for the ionoshere messing with the gps frequency band as it goes through 1196372;1436503706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00053863 = 38.4582 BTC [+] {2} 1196373;1436503730;decimation;so that gps users can approach 1m accuracy with simple equipment 1196374;1436503820;decimation;"Aircraft conducting WAAS approaches must possess certified GPS receivers, which are much more expensive than non-certified units. In 2006, Garmin's least expensive certified receiver, the GNS 430W, had a suggested retail price of US$10,750.[27]" 1196375;1436503873;decimation;aircraft are very effective at bleeding rich folk 1196376;1436503950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29540 @ 0.00052766 = 15.5871 BTC [-] 1196377;1436503979;Vexual;only if you admit 1196378;1436503989;decimation;admit to owning one? 1196379;1436504040;Vexual;yeah 1196380;1436504063;Vexual;some bitch will always go back for her shoes 1196381;1436504066;decimation;I wish; I view blowing a few $k on computers and electronics to be a big expense 1196382;1436504097;decimation;yet along paying $10k for something that can be had for $200 or less 1196383;1436504269;asciilifeform;other thing re: gps is that there is ~still~ an encrypted band (as of a few yrs ago, ~two~ separate ones) 1196384;1436504284;Vexual;wait wot? 1196385;1436504288;asciilifeform;idea being that hitler can order the public band jammed, when he wants. 1196386;1436504326;Vexual;oh, yes 1196387;1436504340;decimation;yeah I think there are still two encrypted signals 1196388;1436504359;Vexual;still look for mountains 1196389;1436504377;decimation;hitler would only do this (in a civilized place) at the cost of massive disruption to many things 1196390;1436504398;decimation;to the point where it's probably almost unthinkable unless under threat of immediate attack 1196391;1436504408;Vexual;it happens a lot 1196392;1436504429;Vexual;for sport as ascii said 1196393;1436504438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00052766 = 5.2835 BTC [-] 1196394;1436504445;decimation;!up Vexual 1196395;1436504470;decimation;Vexual: it would be a big deal if civilian gps service were degraded 1196396;1436504493;Vexual;no 1196397;1436504500;asciilifeform;anybody's guess whether gps will decay from sat attrition (as glonas did in the 'roarin' 90s' ru) before usa implodes, civilian aviation on its territory Officially ends, and public freebie is turned off 1196398;1436504516;decimation;^ yeah that's honestly a bigger threat 1196399;1436504530;asciilifeform;sorta one of the places i was going with ntp. 1196400;1436504530;decimation;usg can no longer employ/manage to keep the thing running 1196401;1436504538;asciilifeform;can't/won't/forgot 1196402;1436504589;decimation;http://gpsworld.com/next-gen-gps-ground-control-system-in-question/ "A March 2013 report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) seems to claim that the projected cost of the next-generation GPS ground-control system, known as OCX, increased by 43 percent, or $1 billion over the past year, to a total cost estimate of $3.7 billion." 1196403;1436504590;assbot; GPS OCX Ground Control in GAO Report : GPS World ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaCpm ) 1196404;1436504622;asciilifeform;if cheap autonomous flying machines haven't reignited usg interest in geographically-selected gps jamming, nothing will 1196405;1436504647;asciilifeform;i suspect the equipment, protocol, the inescapable 3-ring binders, are all in place. 1196406;1436504653;Vexual;hey you're getting cheap clocks 1196407;1436504661;decimation;http://www.insidegnss.com/node/3054 "“We'll be ready to launch the first GPS III in 2015, but it now appears the next generation GPS Operational Control System, or OCX, won't be ready for about a year or two after that,” General William L. Shelton, commander of Air Force Space Command told attendees at the 28th Annual National Space Symposium. " 1196408;1436504662;assbot;First GPS III Launch Delayed by Up to a Year, OCX by Two Years | Inside GNSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaI0q ) 1196409;1436504692;decimation;asciilifeform: sure, but it takes balls to pull the trigger 1196410;1436504716;asciilifeform;why? 1196411;1436504731;decimation;http://spacenews.com/launch-of-first-gps-3-satellite-now-not-expected-until-2017/ 1196412;1436504732;assbot;Launch of First GPS 3 Satellite Now Not Expected Until 2017 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaMNG ) 1196413;1436504747;decimation;if over a civilized area there are going to be lots of innocent bystanders 1196414;1436504747;asciilifeform;that particular trigger is pulled every time fuhrer rolls by in his fuhrermobile 1196415;1436504769;asciilifeform;i sometimes drive around with gps display, and more than once found myself in africa 1196416;1436504772;decimation;it would be interesting to know if they actually jam gps 1196417;1436504774;asciilifeform;or an ocean 1196418;1436504781;asciilifeform;they do. 1196419;1436504785;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cxr1-b6Xkc 1196420;1436504800;decimation;that's a big deal, especially with all the aircraft around wash dc 1196421;1436504804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16337 @ 0.0005292 = 8.6455 BTC [+] 1196422;1436504813;asciilifeform;aircraft in usa are not permitted to rely solely on gps! 1196423;1436504821;decimation;no, but still 1196424;1436504834;Vexual;don't be messing with the 55 track! 1196425;1436504837;asciilifeform;http://www.quora.com/What-would-be-the-consequences-of-reinstating-GPS-selective-availability 1196426;1436504838;assbot;What would be the consequences of reinstating GPS selective availability? - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaTsC ) 1196427;1436504838;decimation;not for precision approach in heavy weather anyway 1196428;1436504840;asciilifeform;^ as described here 1196429;1436504861;decimation;there's a huge difference between selective availablity and turning off service 1196430;1436504865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63182 @ 0.00051183 = 32.3384 BTC [-] {4} 1196431;1436504890;decimation;I suppose now is the time to buy your H-maser 1196432;1436504906;decimation;instead of when gps is kaput 1196433;1436504925;asciilifeform;i personally don't expect to outlive gps by an especially long time. 1196434;1436504926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18790 @ 0.00050776 = 9.5408 BTC [-] {2} 1196435;1436504932;Vexual;its kaput in any sector every day 1196436;1436504971;Vexual;you can't tell coz its under 2 hours 1196437;1436504996;*;decimation to bed, to dream of all the lion's mouths into which his head is voluntarily stuck 1196438;1436505006;*;asciilifeform also off to bed 1196439;1436505127;Vexual;suchvolcano 1196440;1436505292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37648 @ 0.00050707 = 19.0902 BTC [-] {2} 1196441;1436505323;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRl1eQXsbs 1196442;1436505353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7129 @ 0.00050505 = 3.6005 BTC [-] 1196443;1436505427;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmpGFcdFyE 1196444;1436508586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49533 @ 0.00050097 = 24.8145 BTC [-] {4} 1196445;1436509675;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/09/us-japan-nato-missile-exclusive-idUSKCN0PJ2RV20150709 1196446;1436509676;assbot; Exclusive: Japan interested in joining NATO missile consortium| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Scte70 ) 1196447;1436510402;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/1DxCMWo.png 1196448;1436510403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRBN5H ) 1196449;1436511685;punkman;trinque: this python-gnupg is a motherfucking piece of shit << which one are you using? 1196450;1436511746;trinque;https://pythonhosted.org/python-gnupg/ << newest of this 1196451;1436511750;assbot;python-gnupg - A Python wrapper for GnuPG — Python Wrapper for GnuPG v0.3.7 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1HREcxs ) 1196452;1436511771;punkman;you want this one https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg 1196453;1436511772;assbot;isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HREh46 ) 1196454;1436511807;punkman;asciilifeform: iirc 2 chokes on just about anything other than straight ascii << I rarely have problems with that 1196455;1436511807;trinque;punkman: cool, I'll try that out 1196456;1436512340;punkman;there's also python-gpgme that skips the "pipe to shell" retardation 1196457;1436512349;punkman;though nobody uses gpgme so I'm wary 1196458;1436512630;punkman;(here it is https://launchpad.net/pygpgme ) 1196459;1436512631;assbot;PyGPGME in Launchpad ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScxuDE ) 1196460;1436512965;mircea_popescu;shinohai so never got an email huh ? 1196461;1436512977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hm ? 1196462;1436513147;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196167 << kinda weird. i have it in my log, but it's not on website log. did assbot get split or something ? 1196463;1436513147;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 02:44:42; asciilifeform: or in log.bitcoin-assets.com ! 1196464;1436513202;mircea_popescu;heh i also had the wrong one up. nm 1196465;1436513245;punkman;Al walked in when the doge was derping, unfortunate 1196466;1436513296;punkman;(no ddos, he closed the page both times) 1196467;1436513306;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196225 << yes. and published. 1196468;1436513306;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 03:14:47; asciilifeform: ~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx 1196469;1436513326;mircea_popescu;punkman the time intervals don't at all match a ddos. that's usually a 5 minute stay. 1196470;1436513466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48138 @ 0.00049707 = 23.928 BTC [-] {2} 1196471;1436513474;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196295 << i dunno man... fatties destroying scales and you expect lazy aspies to wanna buy clocks ? 1196472;1436513474;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 03:55:37; decimation: surely the market is nonzero 1196473;1436513527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4422 @ 0.00049706 = 2.198 BTC [-] 1196474;1436513701;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196364 << only failed because the euros decided to waste moar moneyz 1196475;1436513701;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 04:44:37; asciilifeform: galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it 1196476;1436513980;punkman;"Gogglebox is a British observational documentary which has aired on Channel 4 since 7 March 2013. The show features recurring couples, families and friends from across the United Kingdom sitting in their living rooms watching weekly British television shows." 1196477;1436513983;punkman;such meta 1196478;1436514020;fluffypony;I read that as Googlebox 1196479;1436514030;mircea_popescu;"observational documentary" ? wtf, new words = no content. 1196480;1436514072;punkman;apparently it's been copied by US, AU, Canada, Italy, Poland, Slovenia, Israel and Germany. 1196481;1436514116;mircea_popescu;sure, cheap format. 1196482;1436514141;mircea_popescu;i was walking through town today, and tons of advertising for... ANT MAN. 1196483;1436514151;mircea_popescu;which is yet another "dude in scooba gear" "movie". 1196484;1436514160;mircea_popescu;question : why all these masked "hero" bullshits ? 1196485;1436514160;punkman;hah 1196486;1436514198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34024 @ 0.00049706 = 16.912 BTC [-] 1196487;1436514216;punkman;kabuki of "super heroes" 1196488;1436514238;mircea_popescu;answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good. 1196489;1436514242;mircea_popescu;wear the fucking mask. 1196490;1436514251;mircea_popescu;i dunno how the screen guild stands for it, but... it does. 1196491;1436514335;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg 1196492;1436514336;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVvv6O ) 1196493;1436514365;punkman;cute 1196494;1436514368;BingoBoingo; answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good. << This. Also they don't have to write new stories which they couldn't. 1196495;1436514396;mircea_popescu;right. no more of that "seinfeld doesn't wanna do more shows so he gets a bn dollars and then decides when to end the series" 1196496;1436514401;mircea_popescu;mask. 1196497;1436514430;punkman;but they don't wear the mask during the whole movie 1196498;1436514472;punkman;usually have long sequences of unmasked derpy "clark" 1196499;1436514497;BingoBoingo;Well with the superhero movies now it the standard seems to be signing the actors to 7-10 movie long contracts. 1196500;1436514524;mircea_popescu;!up heh too slow. 1196501;1436514539;mircea_popescu;;;later tell xemist you know this is irc not a forum. you gotta stick around for anything to work. 1196502;1436514539;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1196503;1436514555;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo options, not pop. 1196504;1436514575;BingoBoingo;sure 1196505;1436514635;punkman;interesting https://github.com/gigablast/open-source-search-engine 1196506;1436514637;assbot;gigablast/open-source-search-engine · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjDHdW ) 1196507;1436514722;mircea_popescu;lots of these neh ? 1196508;1436514733;BingoBoingo;So stator with experimental minrelaytxfee option patch was syncing well as a drop in replacement for previous stator on testbed then laptop became unplugged and battery dead. Restarted with -rescan because BDB hates stopping suddenly and the blockindex is screwed. 1196509;1436514741;punkman;mircea_popescu: not really 1196510;1436514761;BingoBoingo;Other than the hardware/filesystem hiccup seems to work so far. 1196511;1436514832;mircea_popescu;http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131813/postmortem_irrational_games_.php < vaguely interesting. 1196512;1436514833;assbot;Gamasutra - Postmortem: Irrational Games' System Shock 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjDQhF ) 1196513;1436514847;mircea_popescu;from that "how start-up fails" angle, for the collector. 1196514;1436515451;*;BingoBoingo still amazed at the difference between http://dpaste.com/3XVTZ6H and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files seriously can't wait for that tool to measure behavior to tell if it actually works. 1196515;1436515452;assbot;dpaste: 3XVTZ6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVxFmZ ) 1196516;1436515454;assbot;Treat dust outputs as non-standard, un-hardcode TX_FEE constants by gavinandresen · Pull Request #2577 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVxF6A ) 1196517;1436515454;scoopbot_revived;What the market is and what it isn't. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/10/what-the-market-is-and-what-it-isnt/ 1196518;1436516050;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttfinex 1196519;1436516052;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.31, Best ask: 271.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 271.4, 24 hour volume: 25826.5008129, 24 hour low: 267.81, 24 hour high: 273.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1196520;1436516394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106500 @ 0.00050315 = 53.5855 BTC [+] {2} 1196521;1436516943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70450 @ 0.00049894 = 35.1503 BTC [-] {2} 1196522;1436517516;punkman;http://www.gigablast.com/admin.html#features 1196523;1436517518;assbot;FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRs2GJ ) 1196524;1436518346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00049703 = 28.4798 BTC [-] {2} 1196525;1436518948;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve 1196526;1436518953;BingoBoingo;!up shinohai 1196527;1436518959;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1196528;1436518965;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo 1196529;1436518970;HeySteve;hi, thanks 1196530;1436519039;scoopbot_revived;Transaction Fee Market Develops Amid Surge in Transaction Volume http://qntra.net/2015/07/transaction-fee-market-develops-amid-surge-in-transaction-volume/ 1196531;1436519218;BingoBoingo;So recovered the instance of bitcoind-stator-minrelaytxfeeconfflag to resume old stator's sync. And now I started it on a fresh one. 1196532;1436519262;jurov;williamdunne: why do you ask me of all people about steam? 1196533;1436519326;shinohai;I have to do another build sometime this weekend I guess 1196534;1436519349;felipelalli;hi BingoBoingo! Thanks for remember. How are you? 1196535;1436519360;BingoBoingo;not bad 1196536;1436519367;felipelalli;not bad is bad. 1196537;1436519462;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I don't have a formal patch for this, just a recipe in dpaste. Not comfortable enough to formally submit. All it is supposed to do is allow you to set the -minrelaytxfee flag in Bitcoin.conf which isn't a big deal because if you are building it you can just change the number in main.h 1196538;1436519472;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: It really isn't bad at all. 1196539;1436519506;shinohai;That's what i did was change main.h 1196540;1436519531;shinohai;but i goofed somewhere and my static build isn't very static on the pogo. 1196541;1436519627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00050099 = 23.0455 BTC [+] {2} 1196542;1436519688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050562 = 12.1349 BTC [+] {2} 1196543;1436519833;punkman;http://www.miningpool.co.uk/amir-taaki-backs-up-ross-ulbrichts-claim-of-leaving-silk-road-after-creating-it/ 1196544;1436519836;assbot;Amir Taaki Backs Up Ross Ulbricht’s Claim of Leaving Silk Road After Creating It - Mining Pool ... ( http://bit.ly/1HROMEL ) 1196545;1436519850;punkman;well if amir is backing it... 1196546;1436519915;punkman;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11729659/Taxman-gets-new-US-style-powers-to-raid-tens-of-thousands-of-personal-bank-accounts-to-recover-debts.html 1196547;1436519916;assbot;Taxman gets new US-style powers to raid tens of thousands of personal bank accounts to recover debts - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1HROUns ) 1196548;1436520596;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/qiVeJ 1196549;1436520597;assbot;Bitcoin price rallies sharply as robust transaction fee market develops proving the naysayers were wrong. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRPMbS ) 1196550;1436520914;BingoBoingo;Qntra bunny is now in 10th place on /r/bitcoin's front page 1196551;1436521040;shinohai;\o/ 1196552;1436521065;shinohai;./|\ 1196553;1436521091;BingoBoingo;It's been a while 1196554;1436521139;shinohai;I used to have like a ton of reddit troll accounts 1196555;1436521150;BingoBoingo;This one was not one of mine 1196556;1436521172;BingoBoingo;Also F2Pool celebrating the TxMarket https://blockchain.info/tx/cb550c9a1c63498f7ecb7bafc6f915318f16bb54069ff6257b4e069b97b367c8?show_adv=true 1196557;1436521177;shinohai;Still good for qntra 1196558;1436521213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00050654 = 20.5655 BTC [+] 1196559;1436521237;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1196560;1436521275;BingoBoingo;I stopped submitting qntra to reddit myself, because I'd rather just make reddit a more miserable place on my own without the bunny drawing aggro 1196561;1436521289;shinohai;I like stirring thee pot with r/crypto too. 1196562;1436521340;shinohai;I posted a qntra article there and got the most downvotes EVAH 1196563;1436521437;BingoBoingo;lol 1196564;1436521457;shinohai;http://redd.it/3crw7p 1196565;1436521458;assbot;Is there any code left written by Satoshi? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRQOV9 ) 1196566;1436521459;BingoBoingo;I honestly prefer dropping qntra links in /buttcoin 1196567;1436521464;shinohai;^ therealbitcoin heh 1196568;1436521506;shinohai;I had snapshill bot working so perfect before the blackout 1196569;1436522372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.0005076 = 31.6996 BTC [+] {2} 1196570;1436522799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56301 @ 0.00050079 = 28.195 BTC [-] {2} 1196571;1436522860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17449 @ 0.0004969 = 8.6704 BTC [-] 1196572;1436523193;shinohai;>>> http://cryptomatic.io/products/the-cryptomat-silver 1196573;1436523194;assbot;THE CRYPTOMAT MONOCHROME SILVER LIMITED EDITION - CRYPTOMATIC ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbuiRO ) 1196574;1436524446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97260 @ 0.00051073 = 49.6736 BTC [+] {3} 1196575;1436524629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00051403 = 5.8085 BTC [+] 1196576;1436525422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 45 @ 0.08 = 3.6 BTC [+] 1196577;1436526093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109550 @ 0.00051504 = 56.4226 BTC [+] {2} 1196578;1436527266;jurov;;;ticker 1196579;1436527267;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 286.43, Best ask: 286.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 286.43, 24 hour volume: 60789.47237163, 24 hour low: 267.81, 24 hour high: 292.66, 24 hour vwap: None 1196580;1436527275;jurov;!t m x.eur 1196581;1436527275;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00404251 / 0.0040653 / 0.00407783 (292 shares, 1.19 BTC), 7D: 0.00404251 / 0.0040951 / 0.00435631 (2398 shares, 9.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00136203 / 0.00431765 / 0.00494794 (6607 shares, 28.53 BTC) 1196582;1436527314;jurov;;;calc 1/0.00397737 1196583;1436527314;gribble;251.422422354 1196584;1436530729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27634 @ 0.00049654 = 13.7214 BTC [-] {4} 1196585;1436536707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00050037 = 29.2216 BTC [+] 1196586;1436537866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88950 @ 0.00050708 = 45.1048 BTC [+] {3} 1196587;1436538596;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/07/ht-email-addresses.htm 1196588;1436538598;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UJI0WT ) 1196589;1436539079;asciilifeform;Xemist was here ? 1196590;1436539086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00051811 = 29.7913 BTC [+] 1196591;1436539142;decimation;yes, from two different ips apparently 1196592;1436539153;asciilifeform;probably looking for a proxy that works 1196593;1436539161;asciilifeform;three differents, so far 1196594;1436539361;asciilifeform;has anyone recently probed for the continued existence of the ddos bot ? 1196595;1436539375;asciilifeform;because i'm pretty sure it's still here. 1196596;1436539490;*;Adlai may have gotten whacked by it, a while back 1196597;1436539516;decimation;he might have come back after the latest excitement 1196598;1436539527;Adlai;while = 2-3 weeks 1196599;1436539574;asciilifeform;i still don't see why kakobrekla doesn't make the chan invite-only. anyone who wants in would pm one of the folks speaking. just like voice currently works 1196600;1436539584;asciilifeform;what do we need the idling remoras for ? 1196601;1436539629;Adlai;well there is something to be said for openness, although "requests will be honored by default" is still rather open 1196602;1436539664;asciilifeform;what openness, when tomorrow, e.g., taleb, logs in, and gets ddosed off by a tard 1196603;1436539696;asciilifeform;who wants just to read - can read the www log 1196604;1436539777;decimation;how about a policy of randomly kicking people who are remoras? 1196605;1436539794;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't understand why there has to be anything random about it 1196606;1436539800;asciilifeform;FUCK THEM 1196607;1436539803;asciilifeform;all of them 1196608;1436539826;asciilifeform;l0l 1196609;1436539828;kakobrekla;you do it. 1196610;1436539833;decimation;awesome 1196611;1436539842;mats;what's to say someone that's voiced isn't feeding IPs for ddos 1196612;1436539850;mats;? 1196613;1436539858;asciilifeform;mats: a fungus among us! (tm) (R) 1196614;1436539878;*;asciilifeform checks back of head for parasite crab 1196615;1436539883;decimation;gabriel_laddel: did you get ddos-kicked? 1196616;1436539898;Adlai;mats is right.anybody doing ddos-botting is already feeding links into the channel 1196617;1436539932;Adlai;if you mean lurking for ips through uncloaked hosts... the uncloaked fools should know better -_- 1196618;1436539941;decimation;well, that was kinda the conclusion last time 1196619;1436539947;decimation;it was a service provided by tards 1196620;1436539962;Adlai;!s fivezerotwo 1196621;1436539963;assbot;206 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fivezerotwo 1196622;1436539979;Adlai;for the tards, of the tards, by the tards 1196623;1436539987;decimation;but there exists a class of non-irc-savvy people who are actual people 1196624;1436539997;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to the uranium mines 1196625;1436539997;Adlai;lies 1196626;1436540005;*;decimation too 1196627;1436540026;kakobrekla;what, dont you dare to press the button? 1196628;1436540039;*;asciilifeform promises to press some buttons, later. 1196629;1436540047;kakobrekla;k 1196630;1436540197;punkman;btw, you could probably decloak everyone without even being in channel 1196631;1436540210;kakobrekla;true 1196632;1436540211;punkman;unless freenode patched it 1196633;1436540432;Adlai;you'd have no list of 'everyone' 1196634;1436540442;kakobrekla;log is enough 1196635;1436540461;Adlai;log doesn't have lurkers 1196636;1436540476;kakobrekla;but if you have only lurkers you dont have a chan really 1196637;1436540611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00051693 = 28.3536 BTC [-] 1196638;1436540706;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-10/markets-love-the-greek-proposal 1196639;1436540707;assbot;Markets Love the Greek Proposal - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZT1Ay ) 1196640;1436540737;shinohai;i lurk >.> 1196641;1436540756;shinohai;Halls of the #b-a monastery 1196642;1436540917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82350 @ 0.00051941 = 42.7734 BTC [+] 1196643;1436541263;Adlai;true lurkers don't even /join, what else are logs for 1196644;1436541347;Naphex;lurkers gonna lurk 1196645;1436541351;Naphex;don't tell me what to do ;] 1196646;1436541404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00051693 = 18.5061 BTC [-] 1196647;1436541597;williamdunne;jurov: There was a thought process behind it, but not a though process to be proud of. 1196648;1436541892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00050928 = 10.9241 BTC [-] 1196649;1436542839;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Matthias_Schmidt ; ) 1196650;1436542841;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 ) 1196651;1436543600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00050928 = 19.5054 BTC [-] 1196652;1436544332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23904 @ 0.00050638 = 12.1045 BTC [-] 1196653;1436546162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 61000 @ 0.00003009 = 1.8355 BTC [-] {4} 1196654;1436546626;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196593 << eh I bet it's just other disqus users who were curious about the link 1196655;1436546626;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 14:39:21; asciilifeform: three differents, so far 1196656;1436546739;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196617 << i've been uncloaked through the whole thing and only once or twice was i knocked off and even in those cases i'm not sure it was the ddosser 1196657;1436546739;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 14:52:12; Adlai: if you mean lurking for ips through uncloaked hosts... the uncloaked fools should know better -_- 1196658;1436547213;Adlai;then perhaps they were targeting based on link-follows 1196659;1436547223;Adlai;which is tbh more consistent with what happened a few weeks ago 1196660;1436547246;*;Adlai experienced sudden router failure mere moments after rejoining freenode, same router had functioned just fine for a while before 1196661;1436547267;danielpbarron;i "click" most of the links here by pasting them into archive.is 1196662;1436547287;Adlai;aka "why is wotnet notyet" 1196663;1436547328;*;danielpbarron wonders if assbot can automatically submit urls to archive.is like he currently submits them to bit.ly 1196664;1436547349;Adlai;no that is clearly a violation of intergalactic law 1196665;1436547378;*;danielpbarron also wonders what is the correct gender pronoun for a bot, and in particular, assbot 1196666;1436547455;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2wbRWb9xI "obligatory" and also has tits 1196667;1436547456;assbot;Basshunter - Boten Anna (Original Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUj1Ni ) 1196668;1436547533;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1196669;1436547712;ascii_field;one possible idea re: how to let n00bs speak: host a few 'bathyscaphe' bots, having www-based chat on one end and a pre-regged cloaked account on the other. but if a bozo connect to one, can be signalled from here to add his ip to ban list. 1196670;1436547767;ascii_field;i can already guess what mircea_popescu will say to this: 'we don't dignify sp4mz0rz by reacting to anything they do' 1196671;1436547781;ascii_field;kakobrekla will answer, not unreasonably, 'how about ~you~ do this' 1196672;1436547794;ascii_field;i will answer 'i shall do it, in my Copious Spare Time! (tm)' 1196673;1436547934;ascii_field;meanwhile taleb and uncleal will log in, witness a thread about dogecoin, then get a flood of ddos, vomit, and never return 1196674;1436547939;fluffypony;danielpbarron: the lyrics are my favourite: http://artists.letssingit.com/basshunter-lyrics-boten-anna-translated-to-english-4z56w84 1196675;1436547941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUjU8D ) 1196676;1436547946;fluffypony;"she can ban, ban you so hard" 1196677;1436548036;ascii_field;my current hypothesis is that all the relevant folks are waiting for 'gossipd' and don't give much of a fuck 1196678;1436548094;ascii_field;however, some of the same work will have to be done then 1196679;1436548128;ascii_field;in particular, www gateways to gossip net will necessarily resemble the 'bathyscaphe' i described above 1196680;1436548136;ascii_field;and will come under every conceivable kind of attack 1196681;1436548169;ascii_field;~precisely~ in order to get us to switch them off 1196682;1436548202;ascii_field;this entire line of thought is not entirely disconnected from the 'transaction spam' thread 1196683;1436548384;trinque;Adlai | aka "why is wotnet notyet" << hear hear 1196684;1436548394;Adlai;artifexd: wtf 1196685;1436548414;Adlai;where's the grindstone and where's your nose, and why are neither bloody 1196686;1436548468;Adlai;ascii_field: the lack of dignification is aka the refusal to be terrosrized 1196687;1436548505;Adlai;which is largely how the lost long before the first grunt printed the first boot in the desert 1196688;1436548607;ascii_field;Adlai: i think he went off to learn c 1196689;1436548619;Adlai;lolololotroll 1196690;1436548627;trinque;really isn't a "learn C" task eh? 1196691;1436548652;Adlai;tbpfh, wotnet could be build using the shell, even pre-rebirth 1196692;1436548662;ascii_field;mno. 1196693;1436548667;trinque;Adlai: heh I wrote two bash oneliners for cheap p2p chat 1196694;1436548676;ascii_field;'wall' 1196695;1436548676;Adlai;mya. 1196696;1436548678;ascii_field;comes with unix5 1196697;1436548683;ascii_field;but NOT WOTNET 1196698;1436548734;Adlai;wake me up when eternal september ends. 1196699;1436548774;ascii_field;ends when we end it. 1196700;1436548782;trinque;the luser final solution. 1196701;1436548789;ascii_field;luserwagen. 1196702;1436548826;Adlai;"we"L 1196703;1436548849;*;Adlai educates the qwerty-sheltered public that L is a common dvorak typo for the query suffix 1196704;1436548885;Adlai;who knows how many log-lurkers there are! 1196705;1436548916;trinque;!up Xuthus 1196706;1436548928;Adlai;!s xuthus 1196707;1436548929;assbot;23 results for 'xuthus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xuthus 1196708;1436548954;trinque;!down Xuthus 1196709;1436548994;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1022379 LOL 1196710;1436548994;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2015 18:00:13; Xuthus: mircea_popescu, why don't you go and code something ? 1196711;1436549033;decimation;http://blog.bofh.it/id_456 < "Short summary: if these emails are true, and so far nobody has found any credible reason to believe that they are not, then some major italian ISPs hijacked the IP addresses of a foreign ISP on request of the section of the Carabinieri which investigates terrorism and organized crime." 1196712;1436549034;assbot;Hacking Team and a case of BGP hijacking ... ( http://bit.ly/1eNgU0e ) 1196713;1436549086;Adlai;"never trust a fart^H^H^H^H^Hn IP address" - bill murray 1196714;1436549131;ascii_field;jurov ^ 1196715;1436549136;ascii_field;re: ntp thread. 1196716;1436549411;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1196717;1436549662;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cs3q8/bitcoin_price_rallies_sharply_as_robust/ << cazalla BingoBoingo massive lulz and butthurt 1196718;1436549822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118300 @ 0.00050928 = 60.2478 BTC [+] 1196719;1436549874;ascii_field;oderint dum metuant (tm) (r) 1196720;1436549985;thestringpuller;nigga, hate fuels MPOE stock prices. we'll probably be able to trade hate as a currency soon with all the butthurt. 1196721;1436550202;shinohai;hmm [MPEX] [HATE] *fueled by reddit 1196722;1436550383;thestringpuller;I always wondered about archiving the most idiotic of the reddit comments on bitcoin somewhere as entertainment 1196723;1436550554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00050928 = 6.748 BTC [+] 1196724;1436550722;trinque;no, lisp and other wonderful things were thrown down the memory hole by these fucks 1196725;1436550726;trinque;it's their turn to be forgotten. 1196726;1436550769;ascii_field;trinque: important to remember that these folks are just as powerless to do constructive things as they are to do serious damage 1196727;1436550778;ascii_field;what if they ~had~ wished for lisp machine? 1196728;1436550788;ascii_field;i'll have you know that reddit circa 2006-2007 - sorta did! 1196729;1436550796;trinque;ascii_field: yeah, I recall 1196730;1436550800;trinque;was written in CL first 1196731;1436550809;ascii_field;not the operators 1196732;1436550814;ascii_field;but the regulars on the site 1196733;1436550825;ascii_field;were sympathetic to the idea. but nothing came of it, as nothing could have 1196734;1436550831;trinque;yeah, I see your point about good ideas in the wrong hands 1196735;1436550832;ascii_field;you can't crowdsource a moonshot. 1196736;1436550855;ascii_field;a pile of shit? happily 1196737;1436550936;trinque;all the better reason for them to be forgotten 1196738;1436550950;ascii_field;who? 1196739;1436550951;trinque;whatever's left of them can keep an oral tradition 1196740;1436550954;trinque;redditards 1196741;1436550969;ascii_field;reddit clearly doesn't try to remember anything 1196742;1436550980;ascii_field;i once logged in, and for amusement tried to access some of my old posts 1196743;1436550981;ascii_field;gone 1196744;1436550996;trinque;heh, plowed under 1196745;1436551016;ascii_field;most recently, when digging out the 'mother nature' infanticide study link for ben_vulpes 1196746;1436551031;ascii_field;for several years, my link to it was among the top few all-time hits on reddit 1196747;1436551101;trinque;when it had one subreddit and wasn't well known you could almost have a conversation on there 1196748;1436551107;trinque;s/sub// 1196749;1436551108;ascii_field;aha 1196750;1436551459;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1196751;1436551470;mircea_popescu;hallo ascii_field 1196752;1436551485;ascii_field;http://wrtnode.com << now only a factor of ~2 away from pogo bang/bux 1196753;1436551487;assbot;WRTnode Opened for $25 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsurI ) 1196754;1436551513;ascii_field;(it still needs a chassis, power, storage, ... clock!) 1196755;1436551534;*;ascii_field has not tried this device 1196756;1436551686;ascii_field;https://wikidevi.com/wiki/MediaTek_MT7620 << fairly classic 1196757;1436551688;assbot;MediaTek MT7620 - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsLLc ) 1196758;1436551715;ascii_field;http://www.anz.ru/files/mediatek/MT7620_Datasheet.pdf 1196759;1436551759;ascii_field;iirc it is similar to the chipset in 'hootoo' 1196760;1436551799;ascii_field;http://www.aliexpress.com/price/mt7620_price.html << can, supposedly, be sourced ! 1196761;1436551801;assbot;Compare Prices on Mt7620- Online Shopping/Buy Low Price Mt7620 at Factory Price | Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsW9m ) 1196762;1436551974;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/IeZdl << Oh the lulz 1196763;1436551977;assbot;Bitcoin price rallies sharply as robust transaction fee market develops proving the naysayers were wrong. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cva2Q0 ) 1196764;1436552089;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1196765;1436552121;*;trinque notices the confederate flag under the rabbit 1196766;1436552122;trinque;loool 1196767;1436552146;ascii_field;Xiaomi Router sells 7620-based routers for ~25-35 usd, with usb jacks (but 128m ram, as pogo) 1196768;1436552159;mircea_popescu;qntra comtinues to bring home the wins. 1196769;1436552181;ascii_field;http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini << them. 1196770;1436552182;assbot;Xiaomi MiWiFi Mini [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GctImA ) 1196771;1436552196;*;ascii_field not overly fond of 'wifi' 1196772;1436552219;BingoBoingo;Reddit still shows 40+ points inspite of being 40% downvoted. 1196773;1436552251;mircea_popescu;dude, the wishful thinking of the empire of fail matters so very much... 1196774;1436552262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99748 @ 0.00050149 = 50.0226 BTC [-] {3} 1196775;1436552262;mircea_popescu;every mother warned her daughter about the perils of fast cars throughout the 60s. 1196776;1436552267;mircea_popescu;so very well that worked, srsly. 1196777;1436552295;ben_vulpes;anyone running dd-wrt have a recommendation on midprice router hardware? 1196778;1436552310;trinque;ben_vulpes: I had it running on a buffalo something 1196779;1436552313;trinque;was cheap, did the job 1196780;1436552318;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: it will run on just about anything 1196781;1436552340;ben_vulpes;certainly, but i'd like something nice-/ish/ 1196782;1436552358;ben_vulpes;i have eight people here and this consumer object is falling over 1196783;1436552375;mircea_popescu;omg get them to play eulora!!11 1196784;1436552383;ben_vulpes;get outta heah! 1196785;1436552410;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: that 'ufo'-like thing by the people who made 'edgerouter' - the same one i whined about and posted disassembly photos - runs wrt pretty well 1196786;1436552414;ascii_field;100% uptime since feb. 1196787;1436552415;mircea_popescu;no u! it's graet gaem 1196788;1436552444;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1196789;1436552449;gribble;Current Blocks: 364739 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 156 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.55833 1196790;1436552449;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1196791;1436552451;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 288.64, Best ask: 288.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 288.73, 24 hour volume: 70201.9012057, 24 hour low: 268.58, 24 hour high: 292.66, 24 hour vwap: None 1196792;1436552457;mircea_popescu;mmkay 1196793;1436552463;ben_vulpes;rallymoad? 1196794;1436552481;trinque;iirc mircea_popescu called 300 a week or two ago 1196795;1436552519;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: "unifi ap"? 1196796;1436552523;ascii_field;aha 1196797;1436552531;ascii_field;but don't even think about trying to use the included firmware 1196798;1436552533;mircea_popescu;trinque thought it was more like 5 days or somesuch 1196799;1436552534;ascii_field;it's worthless 1196800;1436552539;BingoBoingo;More lulz today http://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/07/iowa-makes-a-bold-admission-we-need-fewer-roads/398021/ << Iowas gives up on Roads!!! 1196801;1436552539;assbot;Iowa's DOT Chief Expects the State's Road Network to Shrink - CityLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcuccA ) 1196802;1436552542;trinque;mircea_popescu: ya could've been 1196803;1436552546;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: wipe and slam with dd-wrt? 1196804;1436552554;ascii_field;or other unixlike 1196805;1436552576;ben_vulpes;ah that's delightfully affordable 1196806;1436552590;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: comes with power-over-ethernet brick 1196807;1436552595;ascii_field;at least, mine did 1196808;1436552596;punkman;have a look at http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page 1196809;1436552597;assbot;linux-sunxi.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcugZX ) 1196810;1436552611;punkman;supports a lot of chinese boxes 1196811;1436552612;ascii_field;(the 'ufo' has no dc jack. gotta supply dc bias on the ethernet cable) 1196812;1436552688;ben_vulpes;neat trick. 1196813;1436552984;mircea_popescu;williamdunne btw you know about #eulora do you ? 1196814;1436553017;thestringpuller;ascii_field: can't crowdsource a cumshot. save that for the professionals. 1196815;1436553030;mircea_popescu;lmao say wut ? 1196816;1436553036;mircea_popescu;!s bukkake 1196817;1436553037;assbot;15 results for 'bukkake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bukkake 1196818;1436553052;ascii_field;!b 5 1196819;1436553052;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RJ7SW.txt ) 1196820;1436553308;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1196821;1436553318;asciilifeform;!up Gabriel-work 1196822;1436553365;mircea_popescu;gabriel WORK !? 1196823;1436553373;mircea_popescu;da fuck last thing i ever expected to see. 1196824;1436553379;Gabriel-work;lol 1196825;1436553391;mircea_popescu;what do you work ? :D 1196826;1436553404;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he might know how to eat tree bark, but still has to pay for bandwidth, no ? 1196827;1436553413;mircea_popescu;ascii_field btw is mr xemist all butthurt at our new fangled techs ? 1196828;1436553414;Gabriel-work;ascii_field: other people pay for my bandwith 1196829;1436553416;Gabriel-work;and my food 1196830;1436553421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00051949 = 31.1694 BTC [+] {2} 1196831;1436553425;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he hasn't mailed me back 1196832;1436553427;*;Gabriel-work had antipasta for breakfast 1196833;1436553431;mircea_popescu;he could be a woman in tech, if he had any tits. 1196834;1436553445;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and i could be an anteater 1196835;1436553457;Gabriel-work;anyways, I work with lab equipment and CL 1196836;1436553457;*;ascii_field signs up for ant-eating academy 1196837;1436553458;mircea_popescu;if you had the nose. 1196838;1436553459;Gabriel-work;and russians 1196839;1436553463;ascii_field;precisely, if the nose 1196840;1436553474;mircea_popescu;Gabriel-work the heavy drinking, lithe natasha type ? 1196841;1436553479;mircea_popescu;or the noseless ant eater type ? 1196842;1436553485;Gabriel-work;the latter 1196843;1436553494;Gabriel-work;I think they'd like Stas 1196844;1436554031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45913 @ 0.00049609 = 22.777 BTC [-] {2} 1196845;1436554081;mircea_popescu;!up qntranet 1196846;1436554184;mircea_popescu;http://mmocadet.com/ << 1196847;1436554185;assbot;MMO Cadet - YOUR GUIDE TO THE VERSE-ES ... ( http://bit.ly/1M05PXV ) 1196848;1436554189;mircea_popescu;inaugural post. also happens to be last post. 1196849;1436554197;mircea_popescu;the internet is so full of sad stories. 1196850;1436554304;mircea_popescu;but, on the brighter side, also a lot of butthurt. http://40.media.tumblr.com/aaacdb7330ec2c3cf1a1bcc07580c961/tumblr_n02tli4eQH1trou22o1_1280.jpg 1196851;1436554305;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M05W5y ) 1196852;1436554499;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195844 << incidentally kako has a golden point. if you actually solder a clock in there, suddenly it does have rng 1196853;1436554499;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 22:35:26; kakobrekla: yet 1196854;1436554511;ascii_field;clock != rng 1196855;1436554525;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195851 << should be user-settable! 1196856;1436554525;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 22:38:18; asciilifeform: ^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^ 1196857;1436554535;mircea_popescu;ascii_field close enough, since any two clocks are an entropy measuring tool. 1196858;1436554557;ascii_field;pretty bad tool unless the resolution of said clocks is high 1196859;1436554560;mircea_popescu;and any programmable computer necessarily has an interrupt clock 1196860;1436554562;ascii_field;(1sec certainly doesn't cut it) 1196861;1436554565;mircea_popescu;so adding a 2nd => rng. 1196862;1436554601;ascii_field;thing is, rng needs attributes ~other~ than 'shits entropy'. namely, not to be correlated with variables manipulable or monitorable by enemy 1196863;1436554603;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i have no idea what sort of an argument is this. there's no such thing as good or bad entropy. the thing is unqualifiable by definition. do you mean that you'd have to wait longer to generate a strong address? so you would. 1196864;1436554612;ascii_field;interrupts are precisely the wrong kind of animal 1196865;1436554614;mircea_popescu;at the rate people use adresses you need something like 1 byte of entropy per hour. 1196866;1436554730;ascii_field;'bad entropy' is easy: the kind which the enemy can cut you off from by silencing your net connection; or the kind he can guess some bits of, by watching packets (no interrupt source in pogo is in any sense entropic other than the NIC's) 1196867;1436554793;mircea_popescu;i guess, but there's some practical security considerations here. 1196868;1436554799;ascii_field;at any rate, if you really must have rng on pogo for some perverse reason, can do it right now 1196869;1436554800;mircea_popescu;yes, you can't run satoshi dice off a pogo. 1196870;1436554802;ascii_field;using the emulated rtc 1196871;1436554811;mircea_popescu;yes, you'll prolly be safe to keep a coupla btc for going to porcfest. 1196872;1436554814;ascii_field;you don't need calendar date for rng-from-interrupts 1196873;1436554858;shinohai;$poker 1196874;1436554859;mircea_popescu;rtc/interrupts seems to me a much worse scheme than ic2 clock / interrupts 1196875;1436555047;ascii_field;ic2 ? 1196876;1436555192;ben_vulpes;k 1196877;1436555198;mircea_popescu;i2c 1196878;1436555249;mircea_popescu;incidentally, gotta say that laser cooled cesium clock thing is pretty spiffy an idea. 1196879;1436555267;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1196880;1436555270;ascii_field;1950s idea 1196881;1436555312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235200 @ 0.00052394 = 123.2307 BTC [+] {5} 1196882;1436555325;mircea_popescu;most good ideas are half a century old or mopre. 1196883;1436555460;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196545 << butt did he open source it! 1196884;1436555460;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 09:17:30; punkman: well if amir is backing it... 1196885;1436555572;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196594 << multiple times over the past ~6 months. behaviour was not reproducible. 1196886;1436555572;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 14:42:41; asciilifeform: has anyone recently probed for the continued existence of the ddos bot ? 1196887;1436555579;mircea_popescu;as best anyone knows, kid moved on. 1196888;1436555652;shinohai;is it the same guy that is is in dogecoin 1196889;1436555660;mircea_popescu;no idea 1196890;1436555671;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196600 << omg stop improving it. 1196891;1436555671;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 14:46:24; asciilifeform: what do we need the idling remoras for ? 1196892;1436555718;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196602 << everyone gets to have their basic skills tested. if old hand can't breathe, old hand dies. i'll be the first to regret it with you, and the last to change the requirement for continued breathing because old man mcschmuck can do it no longer. 1196893;1436555718;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 14:47:44; asciilifeform: what openness, when tomorrow, e.g., taleb, logs in, and gets ddosed off by a tard 1196894;1436555733;mircea_popescu;it's a pity ulcer got naggum. it is out of the question we change how ulcer works to get people. 1196895;1436555737;ascii_field;shovel derp != breathe 1196896;1436555742;mircea_popescu;so you think. 1196897;1436555746;mircea_popescu;ask the afids on your eyelids. 1196898;1436555901;ascii_field;i mean, mircea_popescu does have a point 1196899;1436555919;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196623 << just like there exists a class of innocent nazi ministers, and nice soviet officials, and respectable usg civil servants and so on. THEORETICALLY. in practice, no. 1196900;1436555919;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 14:53:07; decimation: but there exists a class of non-irc-savvy people who are actual people 1196901;1436555924;ascii_field;but put yourself in the place of herr schwartz. you get invited, and then some rotter throws shit in your face 1196902;1436555934;mircea_popescu;i know i know. 1196903;1436555944;mircea_popescu;it is unfortunate at best. 1196904;1436555952;mircea_popescu;but the obvious solution happens to be wrong is all. 1196905;1436555966;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I didn't know about #eurola, I'll join 1196906;1436555982;mircea_popescu;incidentally, clinton had the same problem. "gee, mr yeltsin, i wish i could say the same" 1196907;1436556012;williamdunne;Ehhh I appear to me on my own in #eurola 1196908;1436556023;mircea_popescu;also try dylsexia. 1196909;1436556217;mircea_popescu;in other news, facebook clone passes one trillion users! ---> http://vk.com/id74024866 1196910;1436556218;assbot;Dfgf Vby ... ( http://bit.ly/1HqMS9x ) 1196911;1436556227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00049572 = 32.8662 BTC [-] {2} 1196912;1436556260;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: why would a fella who owns 'rpg7' need inflatable gurl ? 1196913;1436556277;mircea_popescu;you mean the dildo in the pic ? 1196914;1436556281;ascii_field;aha 1196915;1436556284;ascii_field;both of'em 1196916;1436556314;mircea_popescu;with great dongs comes great need for inflatable support ? 1196917;1436556363;*;mircea_popescu kinda likes the fake look, ftr. if nothing else, it shows the girl is trying, and willing to go to extreme inconvenience for an idea. and it's the right sort of idea, too : pleasing others. 1196918;1436556374;mircea_popescu;much better than the alternative "career woman" from a purely moral standpoint. 1196919;1436556430;mircea_popescu;the latter may be right, but in principle she'll be right some of the time and it's necessarily hard to separate them. the latter's gonna be nice, also some of the time, but much easier to separate. 1196920;1436556446;mircea_popescu;as it mostly scales with age. 1196921;1436556475;shinohai;! s pr0n mpex 1196922;1436556524;trinque;hm, time to work on some hunchentootage 1196923;1436556527;*;trinque pushes one button 1196924;1436556538;ascii_field;trinque: it's pretty spiffy 1196925;1436556553;Adlai;more than just an opera! 1196926;1436556588;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196645 << heh. 1196927;1436556588;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 15:15:51; Naphex: don't tell me what to do ;] 1196928;1436556589;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the 'fake look' to me suggests that there's 'nobody home', rather than organism 'trying' anything 1196929;1436556600;mircea_popescu;and why is this, ascii_field ? 1196930;1436556619;ascii_field;solely from personal experience with creatures having this appearance 1196931;1436556637;ascii_field;where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so 1196932;1436556664;ascii_field;on mircea_popescu's planet - different ? 1196933;1436556675;mircea_popescu;do you prefer a 12 yo with fake tits or an obnoxious 12yo ? 1196934;1436556682;mircea_popescu;becauyse guess what ? the 12yo mental age IS A GIVEN 1196935;1436556691;ascii_field;why?! 1196936;1436556694;ascii_field;why a given 1196937;1436556709;mircea_popescu;because there's not enough brains to feed seven billion heads. 1196938;1436556735;ascii_field;and not enough room in block for phree tx for 7 trillion redditors, aha 1196939;1436556744;ascii_field;and not enough rubidium lamps for every pc 1196940;1436556747;ascii_field;etc 1196941;1436556752;mircea_popescu;that's the point. once you know she's gonna be 12 for the rest of your life - would you rather have the sort that goes under the knife for approval or the sort that smashes scales ? 1196942;1436556772;mthreat;hola todos 1196943;1436556778;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: to borrow from herr churchill, 'if she were my wife, i'd drink it' 1196944;1436556779;mircea_popescu;seems to me the former's by far the morally apt posture. 1196945;1436556781;shinohai;hola pues 1196946;1436556784;mircea_popescu;hola mthreat. how goes ? 1196947;1436556796;shinohai;que hay de bueno 1196948;1436556800;mthreat;not bad... just got the itch to poke my head in here 1196949;1436556812;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i still have no idea why anyone'd get married, but then again i'm weird like that. 1196950;1436556826;mircea_popescu;mthreat hey, you gonna try eulora ? :D 1196951;1436556835;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: all i can say is that here in mordor, they do it because health 'insurance' 1196952;1436556842;mthreat;mircea_popescu: some financial reasons - inheritence, taxes, citizenship, etc 1196953;1436556842;ascii_field;and sometimes for passport 1196954;1436556842;shinohai;make eulora a MUD xD 1196955;1436556847;mircea_popescu;ascii_field aka "their mental age is 15" ? 1196956;1436556892;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aka no signature - no doctor 1196957;1436556893;mthreat;oh also, to avoid being forced to testify 1196958;1436556903;trinque;^ that one's not bad 1196959;1436556904;mircea_popescu;lol that's a good one. 1196960;1436556935;mthreat;although these days they just throw both the man and woman in jail to make that hard 1196961;1436556953;mircea_popescu;in any case, disparaging the owner of a technologically improved sexual body while at the same time holding notionm like, "marry - to satisfy social expectations, be they in the form of taxation or citizenship or anythin else" seems confused. 1196962;1436556982;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ftr i don't give a flying fuck how much of the gurl is made of what polymer 1196963;1436556985;ascii_field;just that 'nobody's home' 1196964;1436556999;mircea_popescu;note that i'm not for a moment proposing a course of action. nevertheless, holding the owner of 50k in silicone dispersed through her fat tissue in less regard than the mean seems nonsensical. 1196965;1436557002;ascii_field;entirely separate concerns 1196966;1436557016;ascii_field;(not that my opinion is relevant to any of the folks involved. they and i live on separate planets) 1196967;1436557017;mircea_popescu;i can see that. but then again, how're you to know from a pic. 1196968;1436557020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154700 @ 0.0004944 = 76.4837 BTC [-] {5} 1196969;1436557064;ascii_field;'different strokez for different folks', i don't give a damn if she bought 50k of plastic tit or of 'cessna' 1196970;1436557068;mircea_popescu;and especially nonsensical given that there's an exactly just as silly, but opposite direction social convention : people going around with a prosthetic leg are apparently GREAT!11 1196971;1436557074;mircea_popescu;seems just more puritan nonsense at wurk. 1196972;1436557085;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1196973;1436557122;ascii_field;prosthetic leg - only great if comes with good war story. (or pirate!) 1196974;1436557132;ascii_field;and only for 5min or so. 1196975;1436557136;trinque;prosthetic pussy is its own war story 1196976;1436557143;mircea_popescu;you know... retrospecitvely i agree ? i think we found the common ground! 1196977;1436557155;mircea_popescu;for to my eyes too, "Fake tits only great if come with great whoredom story" 1196978;1436557156;ascii_field;trinque: see opera 'hedwig and the angry inch' 1196979;1436557165;trinque;ascii_field: I have a cat named hedwig! 1196980;1436557166;trinque;male 1196981;1436557168;trinque;or was! 1196982;1436557173;ascii_field;l0l 1196983;1436557175;mircea_popescu;does he have a helmet ? 1196984;1436557202;trinque;heh he does not 1196985;1436557212;trinque;thought he was female, then the day of spaying his balls dropped 1196986;1436557218;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196659 << assbot does the bitly for this reason - use it 1196987;1436557218;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 16:53:43; Adlai: which is tbh more consistent with what happened a few weeks ago 1196988;1436557220;ascii_field;!s a pig like that 1196989;1436557221;assbot;3 results for 'a pig like that' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+pig+like+that 1196990;1436557318;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196677 << some of the relevant folk are so far behind what passes for banal standard here, takes them a week of meditation to get to a place where it can be arranged into a semblance of sense. 1196991;1436557318;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 17:07:16; ascii_field: my current hypothesis is that all the relevant folks are waiting for 'gossipd' and don't give much of a fuck 1196992;1436557320;mircea_popescu;ask around. 1196993;1436557374;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i meant - the lot of us. nobody wants to really break a sweat for channel housekeeping because gossipd is 'the right thing' 1196994;1436557457;ascii_field;but i suspect that the puzzle of how to get 'talebs' in here without the doorway being permanently plugged with reddit turds will remain 1196995;1436557463;*;shinohai will work here 1196996;1436557660;mircea_popescu;no, i happen to think your housekeeping ideas are a short path to hell. 1196997;1436557667;ascii_field;probably 1196998;1436557705;ascii_field;kakobrekla did point out (later in thread) that none of it would make a whit of difference 1196999;1436557767;mircea_popescu;to make things too pointed for life : tyhis place doesn't need X, for any given x. it can use x, but it has alternatives. X however, ~does not~ have alternatives. he pretends like he does and perceives that he does. he does not. the reason this is the case is specifically for particularities of this place that should never be fixed. 1197000;1436557787;mircea_popescu;for should they ever be fixed, yes, it'd perhaps be "easier" for x to get involved. nevertheless, it'll also be pointless for anyone to get involved. 1197001;1436557866;ascii_field;this is a good summary of why, e.g., voice model and gpg mechanizm 1197002;1436557888;mircea_popescu;exaclty. 1197003;1436557894;ascii_field;but the n00bs-get-ddosed turd still stinks. no matter how dresses as sausage 1197004;1436557906;mircea_popescu;obviously invite-only would solve all the same conundrums we currently solve in this particularly circumlocutionary manner 1197005;1436557924;mircea_popescu;this isn't because we're circumlocutory idiots. it's because it's actually necessary, for very good reasons. 1197006;1436557929;mircea_popescu;and yes shit will still stink. 1197007;1436557935;mircea_popescu;!up Gabriel-work 1197008;1436557946;Gabriel-work;thank you 1197009;1436557948;mircea_popescu;np 1197010;1436557949;Gabriel-work;IMHO 1197011;1436557955;Gabriel-work;there are only three or four "talebs" 1197012;1436557966;mircea_popescu;you're only counting the old ones. 1197013;1436557967;Gabriel-work;in the invite, let them know about the DDOS bot 1197014;1436557971;mircea_popescu;this is worse than useless. 1197015;1436557974;Gabriel-work;? 1197016;1436557975;Gabriel-work;how so? 1197017;1436557979;mircea_popescu;"oh there's only three or four spent cartridges on the floor" 1197018;1436557988;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares. i want the taleb in his 20s not the taleb in his 70s. 1197019;1436557996;mircea_popescu;not that i MIND the later. but neither to i drastically care. 1197020;1436558006;Gabriel-work;Ahhh 1197021;1436558006;*;ascii_field was a sort of borderline case when invited to bitcoin-assets by hanbot 1197022;1436558053;mircea_popescu;anyway, all this too pointed for life discussion. i tire of it. 1197023;1436558057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109007 @ 0.00052684 = 57.4292 BTC [+] {2} 1197024;1436558058;Gabriel-work;taleb in his 20s will find his way here 1197025;1436558063;mircea_popescu;fact remains, there's going to be some inconvenience. 1197026;1436558066;Gabriel-work;taleb in his 70s needs to be invited 1197027;1436558067;mircea_popescu;sorry about that. 1197028;1436558157;ascii_field;i suspect that '20-y.o. taleb' may be a contradiction in terms 1197029;1436558161;ascii_field;like 20.y.o. socrates 1197030;1436558166;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196739 << don't knock it, it's how women survived for millenia before there were fake knockers. 1197031;1436558166;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 17:55:51; trinque: whatever's left of them can keep an oral tradition 1197032;1436558169;ascii_field;man life cycle doesn't quite work that way 1197033;1436558176;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but socrates was factually 20. 1197034;1436558183;ascii_field;aha 1197035;1436558187;ascii_field;was 2, too 1197036;1436558190;mircea_popescu;right., 1197037;1436558198;ascii_field;but 'not socrates yet' 1197038;1436558202;mircea_popescu;i always thought that's the king of pedos : the guy that fucks future stars only 1197039;1436558204;mircea_popescu;when they're 5. 1197040;1436558218;mircea_popescu;then buys their records, 15 years later. 1197041;1436558344;Adlai;and forever regrets, "if only i'd bought her that lollipop" 1197042;1436558379;mircea_popescu;lol nah, this'd be a more frank-the-ditch-esque personality. 1197043;1436558389;mircea_popescu;dumps them when they're 7, too old now, going to school. 1197044;1436558403;Adlai;which ditch is called frank? 1197045;1436558410;mircea_popescu;;;google frank the ditch 1197046;1436558411;gribble;Doing 'The Ditch' Capt. Frank's Way - Inside Practical Sailor Blog ...: ; SOLUTION: Dave can dig a ditch in 6 hours, and Sam can ... - Algebra: ; Arizona: Water It Makes a Village | The Nature Conservancy: (1 more message) 1197047;1436558416;mircea_popescu;pff google! 1197048;1436558427;*;Adlai has not the ability to load google from this client 1197049;1436558434;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/frank-the-ditch/ 1197050;1436558435;assbot;Frank the Ditch on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUBR59 ) 1197051;1436558437;Adlai;google is too much cruft 1197052;1436558443;mircea_popescu;still gives hanbot nightmares. 1197053;1436558487;mircea_popescu;and with that... of to craft! 1197054;1436558515;*;Adlai stops reading after the first sentence of every paragraph! 1197055;1436558526;Adlai;again and again. fancy that. 1197056;1436558532;punkman;I'd setup a gigablast instance fed by log links 1197057;1436558532;*;Adlai goes back to work 1197058;1436558571;punkman;that fortress of code looks impenetrable on one hand, seems to work out the box on the other 1197059;1436558656;*;trinque thinks mircea_popescu would write good metal lyrics 1197060;1436558757;ascii_field;http://labs.bromium.com/2015/07/10/government-grade-malware-a-look-at-hackingteams-rat << analysis of some of the ht turdwarez 1197061;1436558758;assbot;Government Grade Malware: a Look at HackingTeam’s RAT | Bromium Labs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUDjUY ) 1197062;1436558892;trinque;ascii_field: heh some of this we did at a previous job as "parental controls" software 1197063;1436558904;trinque;the IM interception and social website session hijacking 1197064;1436558908;trinque;was a lot of fun actually 1197065;1436558916;trinque;!up ascii_field 1197066;1436558920;ascii_field;trinque: aha, sop 1197067;1436558940;ascii_field;nothing really remarkable in the turd, just a 'complete set' 1197068;1436558976;trinque;yeah, looks like the list of features on sub7 or back orifice 1197069;1436558997;BingoBoingo;I'll be back in a few 1197070;1436559030;trinque;my god they have antivirus detection functions! 1197071;1436559036;trinque;twenty-six of them! 1197072;1436559064;trinque;hopefully this means the government will spend more of my future on cybersecurity 1197073;1436559092;mircea_popescu;http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/ << if anyone cares. 1197074;1436559108;assbot;Index of /jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked Team 1197075;1436559215;ascii_field;^ neat! 1197076;1436559239;mircea_popescu;there is no guarantee that it will stay up forever. 1197077;1436559261;ascii_field;not a bad test of 'bulletproof' host 1197078;1436559271;ascii_field;the bullets - will fly 1197079;1436559282;mircea_popescu;dobut they will and this isn't even bulletproof. 1197080;1436559376;ascii_field;this might be the first lulzleak where i think it is interesting and mircea_popescu proclaims snorefest 1197081;1436559448;mats;it's interesting because the capability is wide 1197082;1436559465;mats;and snorefest because it's relatively easy 1197083;1436559478;ascii_field;mats: the code is by far the most boring part 1197084;1436559499;ascii_field;the interesting part is that these folks were in the buttbuddy s333k000r1ty wot 1197085;1436559508;ascii_field;and handsomely paid to do trivial shit 1197086;1436559555;mats;but if you're a nation-state without access to the wot or a skilled pool of devs 1197087;1436559560;ascii_field;(iirc mircea_popescu had some unnamed intelligence that the 'handsomely paid' part didn't happen...?) 1197088;1436559582;mats;and you've got an op you need talent for, folks like HT to aid you 1197089;1436559594;ascii_field;that wasn't the unknown in the equation 1197090;1436559601;ascii_field;but rather 'why does ht get to do this' 1197091;1436559612;mats;rather than force you to forego the opportunity the op presents, or spend six months to a year spinning up 1197092;1436559644;mats;er, folks like HT exist to aid you 1197093;1436559702;ascii_field;my point is that if i, or mats, write to, e.g., saudi, offering ht work, will be laughed out of the room; and, since these twits don't believe in pgp, we'd get a visit from gasenwagen the next day 1197094;1436559733;ascii_field;ergo, ht et al carry out their trade under crown concession. 1197095;1436559783;mats;sure 1197096;1436559785;ascii_field;on one side of the coin - someone to vouch for them, prevent laugh-out-of-the-room; on other - to avoid 'having problems', wash the money, handle employees who might like to go free-agent 1197097;1436559785;trinque;maybe one of them got arrested back in the day 1197098;1436559825;mats;and one day we may have the same fellas at the fringes of our wot, tryna get in 1197099;1436559905;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-02-2015#1023860 << see also 1197100;1436559905;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away" 1197101;1436559943;ascii_field;^ namely, the fact that we even think about 'moles' is indicative of how low the entire computing thing has fallen 1197102;1436560305;*;trinque thumps emacs on the side of the head 1197103;1436560312;trinque;it's off dreaming of electric sheep again 1197104;1436560393;ascii_field;http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/m.romeo/screenshots/HsCzCKRf.jpeg 1197105;1436560395;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPNOJU ) 1197106;1436560395;ascii_field;^ l0l 1197107;1436560584;ascii_field;^ Run Moar Winblowz 1197108;1436560626;shinohai;is webchat obsolete? 1197109;1436560633;ascii_field;i'm still floored by all the drooling morons who think that you need to build code under microshit's compiler, when writing turdware 1197110;1436560679;trinque;impostors posing as human beings everywhere 1197111;1436560689;shinohai;if everyone voiced here was in my irc then i could sync node 1197112;1436560707;ascii_field;shinohai: wai wat 1197113;1436560709;trinque;they saw other Very Serious People using windoze, and so that's what they do 1197114;1436560738;ascii_field;trinque: even the 'project olympic games' team at nsa seems to use 100% vs 1197115;1436560745;ascii_field;what a sad joke 1197116;1436560755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46150 @ 0.000524 = 24.1826 BTC [-] 1197117;1436560791;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1197118;1436560817;ascii_field;i'm not sure how a compiler which produces a 300KB 'hello world' and 800KB 'virus' could evoke anything but derisive laughter 1197119;1436560869;trinque;ascii_field: I saw a picture somewhere that drove it home 1197120;1436560879;trinque;super serious NSA guy at some congressional hearing 1197121;1436560894;trinque;on his windows laptop, some daytime television FireEye screen 1197122;1436560911;trinque;they're all morons acting out a terrible show 1197123;1436560939;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756107 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756108 1197124;1436560939;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:27; asciilifeform: one of my first job interviews out of uni. telephone. a fellow from one of the giant gov. contractors was really intrigued that i know x86 asm., have reversed crud for money. i ask him 'what's the job'. he: automated reversing. me: of what. he: ever hear of karatsuba's algo? me: sure. bignum mult. him: well, we wanna find encryption softs on terrorist drives! 1197125;1436560939;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me. 1197126;1436560943;jurov;http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/c.pozzi/screenshots/eflMbLTM.jpeg obligatory solitaire 1197127;1436560946;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hr77Ut ) 1197128;1436560983;jurov;why such hate? it pays the bills 1197129;1436560999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00052587 = 27.6608 BTC [+] {2} 1197130;1436561007;trinque;jokes on us, libjpeg is pwn3d, and we all just got rooted 1197131;1436561013;trinque;gg haxor team 1197132;1436561068;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel 1197133;1436561100;gabriel_laddel;ty 1197134;1436561103;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197128 << because why should it pay ~their~ billz 1197135;1436561103;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 20:43:03; jurov: why such hate? it pays the bills 1197136;1436561105;gabriel_laddel;trinque: how goes 1197137;1436561217;trinque;not bad, hunchentootin' today 1197138;1436561219;trinque;and you? 1197139;1436561400;ascii_field;trinque: perhaps meta-nsa doesn't need the libjpeg 0day, given as we'll confess in the coke machine anyway 1197140;1436561421;trinque;heh 1197141;1436562097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106350 @ 0.00052862 = 56.2187 BTC [+] {2} 1197142;1436562181;williamdunne;lol 1197143;1436562182;williamdunne;https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/619610930335191040 1197144;1436562341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052058 = 10.9322 BTC [-] 1197145;1436562369;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: good afternoon 1197146;1436562463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7662 @ 0.00052058 = 3.9887 BTC [-] 1197147;1436562665;shinohai;O.o hay +O 1197148;1436562767;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: hey what's happenin 1197149;1436563202;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: hacking the day away, yourself? 1197150;1436563953;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1197151;1436563963;ascii_field;https://blockchain.info/ip-address/195.211.154.159 << l0l, didn't know this pheature existed 1197152;1436563964;assbot;Transactions Relayed By 195.211.154.159 - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkVpOb ) 1197153;1436564257;ascii_field;https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-chains-longer-than-10 << l33t sp4mz0rz 1197154;1436564258;assbot;Bitcoin Number of Transactions Excluding Chains Longer Than 10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkW1DF ) 1197155;1436564393;trinque;https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees << and a little bump here too 1197156;1436564394;assbot;Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkWh5p ) 1197157;1436564397;decimation;'chains longer than 10' does that mean that there are 10 transactions that end up consolidating into one account? 1197158;1436564480;decimation;at any rate it is clear someone revved up spam machine 1197159;1436564517;decimation;ascii_field: http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=522 1197160;1436564519;assbot; The Megatransaction: Why Does It Take 25 Seconds? - Rusty Russell's Coding Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkWAx0 ) 1197161;1436564532;decimation;https://blockchain.info/tx/bb41a757f405890fb0f5856228e23b715702d714d59bf2b1feb70d8b2b4e3e08 1197162;1436564563;decimation;someone laid a mega-fecolith into the blockchain 1197163;1436564583;ascii_field;0 fee, aha 1197164;1436564626;jurov;"Chains Longer Than 10" imo chains of unconfirmed txs 1197165;1436564640;ascii_field;decimation: parallelizing the sig verify thing would be pretty simple 1197166;1436564650;decimation;aye 1197167;1436564727;decimation;jurov: ah that kinda makes sense. would be useful if they had docs 1197168;1436564897;jurov;what dox? nice pix that pay their bills suffice. 1197169;1436565362;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/10/us-usa-reddit-resignation-idUSKCN0PK2HZ20150710 << lol! 1197170;1436565363;assbot; Ellen Pao resigning as CEO of Reddit: source| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkYfD0 ) 1197171;1436565366;mircea_popescu;"It was widely reported to take about 25 seconds for bitcoin core to process this block: this is far worse than my 2 seconds per MB result in my last post, which was considered a pretty bad case. Lets look at why." 1197172;1436565378;mircea_popescu;clearly, 20 mb blocks HAVE CONSENSUS BEHIND THEM 1197173;1436565381;mircea_popescu;the consensus of bleating idiots 1197174;1436565392;trinque;and they are losing their glorious leader, it seems 1197175;1436565407;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is that gavin idiot now ? where are all the twerps that were going on about how my article describing him in terms of mental retardation was, to any degree, off mark ? 1197176;1436565415;ascii_field;we know where 1197177;1436565420;ascii_field;at noblis et al, spamming tx 1197178;1436565421;mircea_popescu;the man belongs in an institution for the developmentally delayed. 1197179;1436565492;mircea_popescu;Short Term Steps Use the Intel and ARM optimized SHA256 routines, which increase SHA256 speed by about 80%. << NO. 1197180;1436565494;mircea_popescu;not now, not EVER. 1197181;1436565514;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: pretty transparent that the derps ~want~ to tempt the easily tempted 1197182;1436565521;ascii_field;with 'magic accelerator' 1197183;1436565526;mircea_popescu;sure. nevertheless... 1197184;1436565551;mircea_popescu;fucking hell, having usg-ssh imported into bitcoin wasn't bad enough 1197185;1436565555;mircea_popescu;let's also import "intel". 1197186;1436565567;mircea_popescu;five billion lines of proprietary code in an unknown language that nobody has ever seen. 1197187;1436565582;ascii_field;decimation et al: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/fud-halt-all-trading-very-important-info-inside-42.246888 << one of the few search hits for that 19VAb9zAhpWLaWfEuqw9HXup2zaNoNPPyE 1197188;1436565608;mircea_popescu;is this going to be another scammer doing the goat routine ? 1197189;1436565620;ascii_field;who or wat it was, i do not know 1197190;1436565631;ascii_field;but that's the source of the 1mb monolithic tx turd from earlier 1197191;1436565665;ascii_field;(or rather, ~a~ source) 1197192;1436565668;mircea_popescu;ah that 1197193;1436565671;mircea_popescu;it's meaningless really. 1197194;1436565717;jurov;http://www.businessinsider.com/the-military-tested-bacterial-weapons-in-san-francisco-2015-7 1197195;1436565718;assbot;The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkYSMI ) 1197196;1436565721;mircea_popescu;!s a-ads 1197197;1436565722;assbot;7 results for 'a-ads' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a-ads 1197198;1436565731;ascii_field;not entirely. these, after all, aren't raindrops, they have arms and legs growing out of them somewhere. 1197199;1436565739;ascii_field;jurov: i thought this was well-known for decades? 1197200;1436565754;jurov;not by me 1197201;1436565799;trinque;jurov: "This is a crazy story; one that seems like it must be a conspiracy theory." << beatings for people who do this 1197202;1436565844;trinque;it's fucking 2015 1197203;1436565855;trinque;the govt testing bioweapons on the population is not weird or fringe 1197204;1436565873;trinque;people are just cowards and must remind themselves that "they wouldn't dare!" like an autistic tic 1197205;1436565885;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski "Im not sure how this level of thrills compares with, say, Eulora" << disfavourably. 50% returns not that uncommon, but i just brought home 4200 grass on a 2 axes + 400 threads run (like 220%). 1197206;1436565885;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1197207;1436565942;jurov;oh yes. and then it lands on my fucking body and needs several tests and cultivations to ascertain what it is and how to cure it 1197208;1436565952;jurov;presently, in my left ear 1197209;1436565989;mircea_popescu;an actual bacteria ?! 1197210;1436566007;jurov;that was the first hypothesis 1197211;1436566056;jurov;now the doc was like "hm, something still there, looks like fungi or yeast 1197212;1436566068;mircea_popescu;did you get the streptomycin/cephalosporin/etc barage ? 1197213;1436566077;mircea_popescu;oh. see, that's a different story. 1197214;1436566108;mircea_popescu;it is rare to see bacteria giving trouble to imuno-indemn individuals. yeasts on the other hand... ask an adult woman. 1197215;1436566109;jurov;no bacteria was cultivated, and i avoid atb until strictly necessary 1197216;1436566149;jurov;as our whole family is half deaf thanks to them 1197217;1436566191;mircea_popescu;hm 1197218;1436566197;mircea_popescu;how's that work ? 1197219;1436566197;jurov;specifically, streptomycin, erythromycin and one more i forgot 1197220;1436566210;jurov;it just kills ear nerve endings 1197221;1436566218;mircea_popescu;yeah. it's a bitch - best way to handle staph aureus (guy on skin), but ototoxic 1197222;1436566304;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197080 << so we complement each other. 1197223;1436566304;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 20:16:16; ascii_field: this might be the first lulzleak where i think it is interesting and mircea_popescu proclaims snorefest 1197224;1436566362;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197087 << it's really one step up from getafreelancer, that stuff. which is why not terribru interesting to me. 1197225;1436566362;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 20:19:20; ascii_field: (iirc mircea_popescu had some unnamed intelligence that the 'handsomely paid' part didn't happen...?) 1197226;1436566375;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1197227;1436566382;ascii_field;notice, sometimes i have to try run a mircea_popescu under emulation, when the real one is asleep 1197228;1436566400;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197093 << "go talk to her then" "i'd be laugh out of the room" "yes, now you will be." 1197229;1436566400;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 20:21:42; ascii_field: my point is that if i, or mats, write to, e.g., saudi, offering ht work, will be laughed out of the room; and, since these twits don't believe in pgp, we'd get a visit from gasenwagen the next day 1197230;1436566427;mircea_popescu;lol emulated mp 1197231;1436566454;jurov;mircea_popescu has forked as eulora owner/player, maybe he can do again for you 1197232;1436566470;ascii_field;incidentally, if we ever abandon this place for gossipd etc. someone oughta leave shannonized (from logs) versions of us 1197233;1436566475;ascii_field;let'em converse. 1197234;1436566486;trinque;hahaha 1197235;1436566492;trinque;the first test is whether you notice 1197236;1436566511;mircea_popescu;im sure this is happening as we speak. 1197237;1436566517;mircea_popescu;some kids in a private chan somewhere. 1197238;1436566517;ascii_field;betcha it'd still make for better reading (or fuck, even conversation) than 'reddit' et al 1197239;1436566557;mircea_popescu;www.metacafe.com/.../a_bronx_tale_1993_imitating_sonny_and_his_crew/‎ << 1197240;1436566599;jurov;http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl << mircea_popescu is step ahead as always 1197241;1436566600;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl0eHj ) 1197242;1436566627;ascii_field;l0l! 1197243;1436566632;ascii_field;was that nubbins`'s work ? 1197244;1436566634;mircea_popescu;ahaha that was nubbins` ? 1197245;1436566638;mircea_popescu;ye 1197246;1436566641;jurov;y 1197247;1436566645;mircea_popescu;i particularly like the tuft 1197248;1436566666;*;ascii_field wonders what his buttons would be 1197249;1436566684;mircea_popescu;gotta be lizard hitler in there. 1197250;1436566690;trinque;"mega-l0l" 1197251;1436566698;ascii_field;nah those are separate keys 1197252;1436566701;jurov;"tron" compose key 1197253;1436566705;trinque;hehe 1197254;1436566708;mircea_popescu;i never saw anything but mega-lol. 1197255;1436566728;ascii_field;eh, plenty 1197256;1436566734;mircea_popescu;!s plenty-lol 1197257;1436566735;assbot;1 results for 'plenty-lol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plenty-lol 1197258;1436566735;ascii_field;mega-b00kz 1197259;1436566741;trinque;!s mega-snore 1197260;1436566742;assbot;8 results for 'mega-snore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mega-snore 1197261;1436566744;trinque;^ 1197262;1436566748;mircea_popescu;other than mega not other than lol! 1197263;1436566775;ascii_field;we live in intense time. not many centi-, kilo-, snores 1197264;1436566786;mircea_popescu;centisnore! 1197265;1436566797;jurov;nanosnore :D 1197266;1436566833;ascii_field;^ one 10**9th of the boredom required to actually fall asleep ? 1197267;1436566850;mircea_popescu;you know if you snore when you sleep it's apnea 1197268;1436566870;*;ascii_field apparently doesn't 1197269;1436566916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80140 @ 0.00051988 = 41.6632 BTC [-] {2} 1197270;1436566926;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone wanna make an emacs eulora client ? 1197271;1436567163;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197125 << in translation, "we prefer to hope they will than consider the matter. because if we considered the matter, i'd have to find a diff job, and so would my boss." 1197272;1436567163;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 20:42:19; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me. 1197273;1436567433;mircea_popescu;in related news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/97293b64e3203aa8ea15eaba7f01905e/tumblr_n00c2qbmB51r5dekpo1_1280.jpg 1197274;1436567435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTzmQc ) 1197275;1436567689;mthreat;!s "in other news" from:mircea 1197276;1436567690;assbot;279 results for '"in other news" from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22in+other+news%22+from%3Amircea 1197277;1436568129;williamdunne;You can do !s http:// from:mircea_popescu and get vast quantities of porn 1197278;1436568135;williamdunne;!s http:// from:mircea_popescu 1197279;1436568137;assbot;9006 results for 'http:// from:mircea_popescu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2F+from%3Amircea_popescu 1197280;1436568320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111055 @ 0.00052703 = 58.5293 BTC [+] {2} 1197281;1436568381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3495 @ 0.00052894 = 1.8486 BTC [+] 1197282;1436571244;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1197283;1436571253;ascii_field;achtung, panzerz! 1197284;1436571261;ascii_field;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: 1197285;1436571268;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000119.html 1197286;1436571269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcYRGL ) 1197287;1436571275;ascii_field;(EXPERIMENTAL) A farewell to 'testnet.' 1197288;1436571277;ascii_field;and 1197289;1436571285;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000120.html 1197290;1436571286;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcYUCu ) 1197291;1436571294;ascii_field;(EXPERIMENTAL) Add '-verifyall' option. 1197292;1436571359;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: same here little of this and little of that 1197293;1436571399;ascii_field;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: so far, no one has signed any of my patches... am i to conclude that nobody reads these things? 1197294;1436571415;ascii_field;or that nobody understands what is inside? 1197295;1436571420;ascii_field;because if so, i can try to help... 1197296;1436571443;ascii_field;or is it that jurov doesn't have a handy mechanical way to group these sigs together yet ? 1197297;1436573103;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: shiva indeed 1197298;1436573200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00052894 = 23.9081 BTC [+] 1197299;1436573932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.0005302 = 19.3788 BTC [+] {2} 1197300;1436574469;hanbot;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html 1197301;1436574472;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSTHXM ) 1197302;1436574908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00053278 = 24.1349 BTC [+] {2} 1197303;1436575024;gernika;"Ellen Pao, the interim chief executive officer of Reddit, will be succeeded by Steve Huffman." << Met this guy (Steve Huffman) years ago at a YC startup school event. Had a brief discussion with him about lisp (don't recall the dialect he used). 1197304;1436575685;mod6;asciilifeform: thakns for the latest submissions! 1197305;1436575720;mod6;<+ascii_field> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: so far, no one has signed any of my patches... am i to conclude that nobody reads these things? << I've read them all (except the 2 you just posted, about to read here in a moment) but I don't sign patches until release is prepared. 1197306;1436576030;mod6;i like -verifyall as a cmdline option! 1197307;1436576067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052592 = 11.0443 BTC [-] 1197308;1436576094;cazalla;http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/despite-hacking-teams-poor-opsec-ceo-came-from-early-days-of-pgp/ 1197309;1436576095;assbot;Despite Hacking Team’s poor opsec, CEO came from early days of PGP | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd8mFR ) 1197310;1436576555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64250 @ 0.00053004 = 34.0551 BTC [+] {3} 1197311;1436577017;decimation;"Sanfilippo described Vincenzetti as a very liberal person interested in protecting free speech, someone who saw cryptography as "a means to protect communications." But over time, Vincenzetti's view evidently evolved to allow the security professional to found Hacking Team. " 1197312;1436577031;decimation;gee, I wonder if cash and the fetish of power changed his mind 1197313;1436577043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114700 @ 0.00052502 = 60.2198 BTC [-] {2} 1197314;1436577104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38730 @ 0.00052081 = 20.171 BTC [-] 1197315;1436577174;mod6;asciilifeform: testnet patch looks good at first read-through. i'll apply these to my sources bases (on top of stator + patches { dump/eat block }) and continue testing. i'll also add these to my build-with-patches guide. 1197316;1436577546;decimation;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2533 < "These employees will bring their families to the area. There will also be an influx of welfare families fleeing the city ahead of the drug gangs and predatory police along the bus lines set up at tax payer expense so that you can save 25 cents on a dozen eggs, which requires some schlep to stock them in that upright cooler on a wage that cannot support an automobile." 1197317;1436577548;assbot;JL: The Hoodrat Hatchery ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gdanlg ) 1197318;1436577554;decimation;"These families—by law—may not have a father. Therefore, 15 years from that Wal-Mart going up, you will have a full generation of violent, rootless, fatherless youth grown up with no sense of community, responsibility, or decency, who will instead be infused with a sense of entitlement, righteous oppression, and slave class envy for you, the guy buying the house down the street as its value plummets. " 1197319;1436577592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00053341 = 8.6412 BTC [+] 1197320;1436577661;decimation;He's describing the classic 'baptists and bootleggers' economy 1197321;1436577749;decimation;!up Luke-Jr 1197322;1436577775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25528 @ 0.00053341 = 13.6169 BTC [+] 1197323;1436577930;Luke-Jr;… 1197324;1436577935;trinque;it's somewhat interesting to note that wikipedia has a german page on hunchentoot, but the english one was deleted. 1197325;1436578011;decimation;Luke did you read the logs in here about the 2hr block time window? 1197326;1436578224;decimation;trinque: that is a bit odd 1197327;1436578307;trinque;deleted by some guy that edits a lot of movie/tv pages, south park in particular. 1197328;1436578310;Luke-Jr;decimation: no. 1197329;1436578310;trinque;it's just as well. 1197330;1436578322;trinque;happened upon that pulling up docs elsewhere 1197331;1436578374;decimation;Luke-Jr: what is your opinion on the recent soft-fork/mining fiasco? Do you think that 950/1000 blocks constitutes any kind of 'consensus'? 1197332;1436578391;Luke-Jr;decimation: softforks require only a majority of miners, not a consensus. 1197333;1436578434;decimation;okay maybe I'm using the term 'soft-fork' to mean something different. What do you call 'block revision increment'? 1197334;1436578479;Luke-Jr;'block revision increment' has no meaning to me 1197335;1436578546;trinque;Luke-Jr: blocks have a version, do they not? 1197336;1436578567;decimation;err yeah 'version' not 'revision' 1197337;1436578569;Luke-Jr;trinque: sure, but they have no particular meaning until defined 1197338;1436578696;decimation;yes, and the meaning is used in the concensus code, which 'activates' after 950/1000 blocks with the new version are seen 1197339;1436578708;decimation;do you think this mechanism is sound? 1197340;1436579554;gabriel_laddel;The elephant trunk (well, close)! http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/01/today-in-robotentacle-news-4/ 1197341;1436579556;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjJUo9 ) 1197342;1436579788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.0005302 = 26.2449 BTC [-] 1197343;1436579959;decimation;Qui tacet consentit 1197344;1436580050;decimation;!up Luke-Jr 1197345;1436580056;Luke-Jr;decimation: the 950/1000 block definition is specific to BIP66/v3; it's fairly sound, and the recent fiasco is basically unrelated to it 1197346;1436580071;decimation;other than it being the very mechanism which activated it 1197347;1436580110;Luke-Jr;except it wasn't; it just meant there were suddenly people mining invalid blocks 1197348;1436580114;Luke-Jr;(the remaining 5%) 1197349;1436580132;Luke-Jr;had anyone else mined an invalid block for any reason, the SPV miners would have continued those chains too 1197350;1436580156;decimation;'suddenly invalid'? as if nature itself rejected it? 1197351;1436580175;decimation;1000 blocks (1 week) seems like a fairly small period to change things 1197352;1436580188;Luke-Jr;I didn't say "suddenly invalid" 1197353;1436580203;Luke-Jr;95% for 1000 blocks, while only 51% is needed 1197354;1436580218;Luke-Jr;also, it was an ongoing migration that took months 1197355;1436580270;decimation;I get that, but it still seems like a short period 1197356;1436580276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00052698 = 22.5284 BTC [-] {2} 1197357;1436580288;decimation;'is needed'? who judges that? 1197358;1436580310;Luke-Jr;that's just the nature of softforks 1197359;1436580325;decimation;oh, I see. handed down from the ancients who wrote 0.7? 1197360;1436580375;decimation;the point I am driving at is that someone can mine blocks without consenting to anything w.r.t. the codebase 1197361;1436580380;decimation;as has been quite aptly demonstrated 1197362;1436580400;Luke-Jr;it's not a human-made decision at all, it's just how things are 1197363;1436580418;Luke-Jr;I don't see your point. Someone can mine invalid blocks. so what? 1197364;1436580437;decimation;because the meaning of 'invalid' was changed 1197365;1436580482;decimation;before 0.7 there was no code that 'gathered consensus' 1197366;1436580520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29863 @ 0.00052433 = 15.6581 BTC [-] {2} 1197367;1436580550;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197137 << And how did this turn out? 1197368;1436580550;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 20:46:57; trinque: not bad, hunchentootin' today 1197369;1436580564;Luke-Jr;decimation: it was still possible 1197370;1436580597;Luke-Jr;also there was technically the P2SH code before 0.7 IIRC 1197371;1436580618;trinque;gabriel_laddel: oh, lovely. write a handler, c-x c-k, try it out, repeat 1197372;1436580658;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I heard you just got hyperspec.el setup - do you have SLIME presentations enabled? 1197373;1436580671;trinque;hm, maybe not 1197374;1436580686;trinque;what would that do? 1197375;1436580698;gabriel_laddel;you can "inspect" objects returned at the repl by clicking on them 1197376;1436580705;gabriel_laddel;modify their state etc 1197377;1436580711;gabriel_laddel;via the slime-inspector 1197378;1436580715;gabriel_laddel;which you've used? 1197379;1436580720;trinque;# 1197380;1436580723;trinque;yep 1197381;1436580767;gabriel_laddel;o nice, then you've pretty much the best of what emacs has to offer for CL development. 1197382;1436580788;trinque;I am still new enough to this to be having a fantastic time. 1197383;1436580803;trinque;though, as it stays out of the goddamn way of the task of programming, I could see never tiring of it 1197384;1436580805;gabriel_laddel;me too 1197385;1436580832;gabriel_laddel;I got serial ports comms working in a *single line* of cl today. 1197386;1436580835;gabriel_laddel;yay 1197387;1436580849;gabriel_laddel;(well, a single line setup + other crud) 1197388;1436580979;trinque;people who prefer more complicated and disorderly systems seem to think there's some virtue in being able to cram it all into the head (C++...) 1197389;1436580997;trinque;doesn't seem like they then consider whether they have any cranial space left for their problem 1197390;1436581003;gabriel_laddel;yep 1197391;1436581034;trinque;saw you found work writing cl, pretty cool 1197392;1436581041;gabriel_laddel;This is my experience. The C++/.NET code for the device I was communicating with today - 250 lines of code to do what my single line does. 1197393;1436581065;Luke-Jr;k, highlight me if there's more 1197394;1436581066;gabriel_laddel;^^ I seem to be good at making business people feel confident / happy with me. 1197395;1436581069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00052873 = 12.8746 BTC [+] {2} 1197396;1436581087;gabriel_laddel;I'm noodling around with the idea of my hunting down contracts for CL people 1197397;1436581092;gabriel_laddel;sort of like a recruiter 1197398;1436581116;decimation;Luke-Jr: I need to do more research, thank you for your candor. 1197399;1436581116;gabriel_laddel;But perhaps handling some of the business side of things + gnarly technical tasks. 1197400;1436581149;trinque;depending on the type of consulting, it may be more or less up to you how to actually implement whatever's called for 1197401;1436581150;Luke-Jr;decimation: this may be of interested to you; it is a WIP https://gist.github.com/sipa/bf69659f43e763540550 1197402;1436581151;assbot;Version bits BIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMqKU ) 1197403;1436581180;gabriel_laddel;trinque: in this particular they wanted something that *actually works* 1197404;1436581196;trinque;heh! 1197405;1436581201;gabriel_laddel;a surprising amount of people simply want subordinates to order around 1197406;1436581228;gabriel_laddel;at least, this is what I've seen so far 1197407;1436581238;Luke-Jr;decimation: there is also https://github.com/jtimon/bips/blob/bip-forks/bip-forks.org , but IIRC it had some problems 1197408;1436581239;assbot;bips/bip-forks.org at bip-forks · jtimon/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMzhF ) 1197409;1436581298;gabriel_laddel;trinque: are you just playing around with hunchentoot, or writing a production system? 1197410;1436581303;trinque;production system 1197411;1436581307;trinque;api thing that pokes a db 1197412;1436581343;gabriel_laddel;And you talk to the thing in CL? 1197413;1436581371;trinque;got something out in the world that runs cl, talks to a web api 1197414;1436581376;trinque;this will be the first server side component 1197415;1436581402;trinque;to replace: https://github.com/begriffs/postgrest which I do not like 1197416;1436581403;assbot;begriffs/postgrest · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMQRv ) 1197417;1436581431;trinque;haven't used the latter with anything mission critical; it was a matter of evaluating it 1197418;1436581438;trinque;but that's the thing I'm rewriting... "pgtoot" 1197419;1436581447;decimation;Luke-Jr: this whole line of action strikes me as backwards. why not produce a spec before forcing changes from the de-facto standard? 1197420;1436581477;gabriel_laddel;so you have a few function calls that diddle the db and you're tying those to routes? 1197421;1436581483;trinque;yep 1197422;1436581487;Luke-Jr;decimation: what? BIP 66 has been a spec since January 1197423;1436581514;decimation;I mean a spec that desribes the behaviour of the entire codebase 1197424;1436581538;gabriel_laddel;I wish someone would automate this already. I write the functions, then pass them into `export-functions' which walks the program, generates POST routes for all of them. 1197425;1436581539;Luke-Jr;decimation: because people might interpret it as a spec 1197426;1436581548;trinque;gabriel_laddel: that is precisely what I'm doing 1197427;1436581549;decimation;??? 1197428;1436581553;gabriel_laddel;trinque: ! 1197429;1436581556;trinque;I've written this in python already 1197430;1436581573;trinque;postgrest looked like it might have a clue early on 1197431;1436581578;trinque;becoming a features katamari shitshow 1197432;1436581584;Luke-Jr;decimation: Bitcoin's rules by nature are defined by the actual software people are using. If a "spec" disagrees with those de facto rules, the "spec" is wrong. 1197433;1436581607;trinque;gabriel_laddel: every web-app ever is just a matter of bolting some table or view to a ui component 1197434;1436581617;trinque;and then letting that component know when the data in question changes 1197435;1436581618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26560 @ 0.00052016 = 13.8154 BTC [-] {2} 1197436;1436581620;gabriel_laddel;yeah 1197437;1436581625;gabriel_laddel;dancing around presentations 1197438;1436581627;gabriel_laddel;forever 1197439;1436581634;Luke-Jr;decimation: this is why Bitcoin Core 0.8.0's bug was a bug in 0.8.0 and not the (commonly used) older versions 1197440;1436581683;decimation;Luke-Jr: you see how this has the convinent side-effect of ceding complete authority over 'bitcoin' to the 'bitcoin core' committers? 1197441;1436581709;Luke-Jr;decimation: no, it is to the users - Bitcoin Core 0.8.0 changed the rules, but was not adopted as the new protocol, so it was wrong 1197442;1436581746;Luke-Jr;(it's ironic but true that Mike Hearn has written two changes in Bitcoin Core, and both of them introduced serious bugs..) 1197443;1436581797;mod6;!b 1 1197444;1436581798;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E6JFXW.txt ) 1197445;1436581820;Luke-Jr;:< 1197446;1436581829;Luke-Jr;I didn't really want to be quoted on that 1197447;1436581835;gabriel_laddel;http://wcp.sdf-eu.org/software/ 1197448;1436581836;assbot;Software bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjNuOZ ) 1197449;1436581853;gabriel_laddel; BINGE is a FFI generator for Common Lisp. It parses C source files (header or code, it doesn't mind) and spits out a FFI for your Lisp system of choice. Functions, global variables, types and symbolic constants can be extracted just naming them. Its design is modular so that adding a new FFI API is a matter of few hours. Back-ends for SBCL, CMUCL, LispWorks, UFFI and CLISP are provided. 1197450;1436581854;gabriel_laddel;... 1197451;1436581856;gabriel_laddel;please work 1197452;1436581871;trinque;"binge" << lol 1197453;1436581874;trinque;that's pretty good 1197454;1436582167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23649 @ 0.00051962 = 12.2885 BTC [-] 1197455;1436582182;mats;!rate moneycat 1 new guy 1197456;1436582182;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7843dc19ee725420 1197457;1436582374;mats;!v assbot:mats.rate.moneycat.1:801ec5c77ea271e6dad662052dfc4363a1843c6cc5bc53dc6609361c20777a5 1197458;1436582374;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1197459;1436582377;mats;gah 1197460;1436582447;mats;!v assbot:mats.rate.moneycat.1:801ec5c77ea271e6dad662052dfc4363a1843c6cc5bc53dcd6609361c20777a5 1197461;1436582447;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for moneycat with note: new guy 1197462;1436582838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6659 @ 0.00053341 = 3.552 BTC [+] 1197463;1436582923;mats;;;bc,24hprc 1197464;1436582924;gribble;284.73 1197465;1436583204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00052739 = 32.54 BTC [-] 1197466;1436583313;williamdunne;!up Luke-Jr 1197467;1436583333;williamdunne;Luke-Jr: In fairness, the fact that this is a public logged channel is made quite clear 1197468;1436583342;Luke-Jr;sure 1197469;1436584034;mats;https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-July/000040.html 1197470;1436584035;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mlz98e ) 1197471;1436584088;mats;yet another mitm bug 1197472;1436584119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10980 @ 0.00052216 = 5.7333 BTC [-] {2} 1197473;1436584180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9405 @ 0.00051075 = 4.8036 BTC [-] 1197474;1436584419;mats;"Every person given a government background check for the last 15 years was probably affected, the Office of Personnel Management said in announcing the results of a forensic investigation of the episode, whose existence was known but not its sweeping toll." << lol, fuck. i'm in this db. 1197475;1436584424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00053341 = 2.3737 BTC [+] 1197476;1436584451;ag3nt_zer0;Wonder if anyone can help ... Am I missing a step when trying to rate somebody? do I have to do something beyond "!rate" command? I ask because I do not see my rating as having appeared to the recipients via BTC Alpha... should I see it or is my rating just not appearing amongst the others because I am not a trusted relationship at this point? 1197477;1436584470;mats;btcalpha updates once a day, ag3nt_zer0 1197478;1436584573;ag3nt_zer0;mats: it's been a couple days 1197479;1436584628;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193125<< is that all I was supposed to do? 1197480;1436584628;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 06:22:31; ag3nt_zer0: !rate shinohai 1 great help to noob 1197481;1436584639;mats;did you decrypt the otp and send it to assbot? 1197482;1436584653;ag3nt_zer0;nope haha 1197483;1436584695;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197460 << !v 1197484;1436584695;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 02:40:47; mats: !v assbot:mats.rate.moneycat.1:801ec5c77ea271e6dad662052dfc4363a1843c6cc5bc53dcd6609361c20777a5 1197485;1436584910;ag3nt_zer0;how long before an otp expires? 1197486;1436584998;gabriel_laddel;trinque: fyi `trace' doesn't trace across threads in mcclim unless you use M-x slime-trace-dialog 1197487;1436585016;ag3nt_zer0;i mean how long before otp link expires... those arent working from the other day 1197488;1436585031;mats;no idea 1197489;1436585040;ag3nt_zer0;cool thx 1197490;1436585067;ag3nt_zer0;try this again 1197491;1436585071;ag3nt_zer0; !rate trinque 1 very helpful to noob 1197492;1436585160;mats;extraneous space prepended there 1197493;1436585259;ag3nt_zer0;!rate trinque 1 very helpful to noob 1197494;1436585259;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/70fced5bf301b100 1197495;1436585269;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1197496;1436585409;ag3nt_zer0;!v assbot:ag3nt_zer0.rate.trinque.1:6cfc2b3e5683499ec7116014e0dccbd14c25d77d8ed9adc92f6df57d4ea8f7f8 1197497;1436585409;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for trinque with note: very helpful to noob 1197498;1436585514;ag3nt_zer0;;;rate shinohai 1 great assist to newb 1197499;1436585514;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. 1197500;1436585538;ag3nt_zer0;!rate shinohai 1 great assist to newb 1197501;1436585538;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7c23d2b18b359e01 1197502;1436585605;ag3nt_zer0;!v assbot:ag3nt_zer0.rate.shinohai.1:eecbbcd8e1da919dc77a78e03fc9ef6eb780d132a98b002b39c375244bf75a83 1197503;1436585605;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: great assist to newb 1197504;1436585639;ag3nt_zer0;mats: thanks 1197505;1436585679;mats;np. fwiw, you can talk to assbot in PM 1197506;1436585693;ag3nt_zer0;oh ok thx 1197507;1436585708;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178327 << What is the 'lisp' of mathematics? 1197508;1436585708;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 21:39:21; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178148 << will add to this. in every single field i dive into, i find these 'lisps' - i.e., the ~actual~ state-of-the-art buried under piles of shit strategically crapped out by one, two, more generations of mediocrities 1197509;1436585775;gabriel_laddel;I'd love to have a list of lisps all fields you've dived into if possible. 1197510;1436585827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31621 @ 0.00051075 = 16.1504 BTC [-] 1197511;1436586132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35130 @ 0.00052178 = 18.3301 BTC [+] 1197512;1436586254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5770 @ 0.00052178 = 3.0107 BTC [+] 1197513;1436586289;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, apparently no one signs them. 1197514;1436586315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34930 @ 0.00053341 = 18.632 BTC [+] 1197515;1436586559;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197311 << all this meta comentatory bs. "what has luigi's wive said about giovanni's girlfriend ? what has the mother of the coach's sister said about what the wife said about the girlfriend ? what are people saying about what people said about what was said about some talks some said they had at some point regarding what was said earlier ?" 1197516;1436586559;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 01:10:17; decimation: "Sanfilippo described Vincenzetti as a very liberal person interested in protecting free speech, someone who saw cryptography as "a means to protect communications." But over time, Vincenzetti's view evidently evolved to allow the security professional to found Hacking Team. " 1197517;1436586571;mircea_popescu;italian daytime tv conquered the fucking world. 1197518;1436586588;decimation;heh yeah pretty much 1197519;1436586619;decimation;I think most 'adults' in the west would prefer to live in a tv program 1197520;1436586630;decimation;and/or imagine that they would be 'good' in one 1197521;1436586631;mircea_popescu;i don't even give a shit who this vincenzetti derp is. why the fuck would i now care about a sanfilippo derp 1197522;1436586689;cazalla;meh i just saw pgp in the headline, read it and thought perhaps might appeal to others here 1197523;1436586708;mircea_popescu;equires some schlep << why do people insist to use words in languages they don't speak. 1197524;1436586716;mircea_popescu;it's almost as bad as sleeping with women you don't own. 1197525;1436586737;decimation;mircea_popescu: 90% of modern 'journalism' is 'the story behind the story behind the story', most of which is bullshit 1197526;1436586751;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1197527;1436586912;*;mircea_popescu skips the Luke-Jr, vexual etc lines in the logs. not sure why people keep feeding the weird, but anway. 1197528;1436587011;decimation;I was curious about the particular census mechanism, and the degree of support amoung 'bitcoin core' 'devs' 1197529;1436587059;mircea_popescu;might as well ask whats his face "bitcoin godfather" about gaming or keiser's ho whatever her name was about "telejournalism" 1197530;1436587120;decimation;it would make great foddler for journalism, his answers 1197531;1436587155;mircea_popescu;just... you know, go ask reddit what it thinks on reddit, and the power rangers on #power-rangers or wherever the fuck they hang out these days. 1197532;1436587182;mircea_popescu;i especially do not appreciate the b-a equivalent of a convicted felon being treated as he may have an opinion on matters. 1197533;1436587189;mircea_popescu;the man lied. publicly. for profit. 1197534;1436587193;mircea_popescu;why entertain such scum ? 1197535;1436587200;decimation;luke-jr? 1197536;1436587203;mircea_popescu;yes luke-jr 1197537;1436587336;mircea_popescu;an entire den of fraudsters and con men they got going there, not like phantomcircuit's anyone else than the bitcoinica thief etc. 1197538;1436587595;mircea_popescu;" As Wal-Mart gets the lions share of food stamp transfers [EBT cash and food] than this operation amounts to a 19th century Appalachian coal mine with its own company store, with over half of the employees spending mostor even more thantheir salary at the Wal-Mart register, literally a captive market and labor force in one." 1197539;1436587608;mircea_popescu;this is actually an excellent point - walmart is not a shop, it's a shit circuit. 1197540;1436587678;decimation;it's been well covered in the us media that walmart 'arbitrages' usg benefits/slaves into profit 1197541;1436587773;decimation;mr. lafound makes a novel point (to me) that the rich folk (think jwz) are equally complict, thinking that saving $0.25 on eggs at walmart is purely neutral 1197542;1436587868;mircea_popescu;i dun think this is much of a novel point. fundamental point. "be the change you wish to see" etc. 1197543;1436588051;hanbot;people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious" 1197544;1436588084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00053341 = 27.8973 BTC [+] 1197545;1436588140;decimation;in the us, to be against 'walmart profits' is to be labeled a socialist. it's rarely the case that someone points out the degree to which walmart profits are dependent on socialism themselves 1197546;1436588253;hanbot;right, because why proclaim something that might lead to having to do more work 1197547;1436588572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64423 @ 0.00051817 = 33.3821 BTC [-] {2} 1197548;1436589853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51409 @ 0.00052203 = 26.837 BTC [+] {2} 1197549;1436591683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9647 @ 0.00052634 = 5.0776 BTC [+] 1197550;1436592964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00051761 = 24.3277 BTC [-] 1197551;1436593879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00051072 = 32.5329 BTC [-] {3} 1197552;1436594611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43819 @ 0.00051202 = 22.4362 BTC [+] 1197553;1436594804;Naphex;04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often 1197554;1436594855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00051063 = 35.0037 BTC [-] 1197555;1436595080;punkman;how do you decide a good egg yolk? 1197556;1436595282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27092 @ 0.00051063 = 13.834 BTC [-] 1197557;1436595770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00050955 = 15.9744 BTC [-] {2} 1197558;1436595831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56194 @ 0.00051202 = 28.7725 BTC [+] 1197559;1436596685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00051159 = 26.1422 BTC [-] 1197560;1436598210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36402 @ 0.00051292 = 18.6713 BTC [+] {3} 1197561;1436599247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00051618 = 16.3113 BTC [+] 1197562;1436599735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37214 @ 0.00050521 = 18.8009 BTC [-] 1197563;1436600650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00050406 = 28.4794 BTC [-] {2} 1197564;1436600894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00051621 = 19.2546 BTC [+] {2} 1197565;1436601366;jurov;punkman: it has vivid yellow color 1197566;1436601382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00052065 = 22.3359 BTC [+] {2} 1197567;1436601390;jurov;and when used as ingredients, it colors the dough or whatever, too 1197568;1436601610;punkman;jurov, people like the darker orange yolks here 1197569;1436601641;punkman;yellow yolk means it's probably eating corn 1197570;1436601654;jurov;they can be orange, too, no prob... just the color is weak 1197571;1436601683;cazalla;whites not runny either! 1197572;1436601709;jurov;yolk racism? 1197573;1436601783;punkman;I mostly care about whether the owner of the chickens is in wot rather than colour 1197574;1436601886;jurov;oh, if you scarcely have eggs from supermarket, then it's hard to explain, either :) 1197575;1436601993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00052629 = 19.9201 BTC [+] {2} 1197576;1436602016;cazalla;miss my chickens, rip in peace http://i.imgur.com/5UdH5PC.png gonna get some new ones in the spring 1197577;1436602017;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1pJBM ) 1197578;1436602022;punkman;http://aspajournal.it/index.php/ijas/article/viewFile/1745/html_9/8434 1197579;1436602024;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1pKFI ) 1197580;1436602054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00050847 = 8.6694 BTC [-] 1197581;1436602391;jurov;cazalla what happened to them? 1197582;1436602396;cazalla;fox 1197583;1436602420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70550 @ 0.00050847 = 35.8726 BTC [-] 1197584;1436602426;cazalla;or inattentive chicken shepherd 1197585;1436602664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212391 @ 0.0005306 = 112.6947 BTC [+] {3} 1197586;1436603091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22280 @ 0.00050398 = 11.2287 BTC [-] {2} 1197587;1436605513;jurov;http://www.boredpanda.com/dead-raccoon-memorial-shrine-mourning-deadraccoonto-toronto/ canada :) 1197588;1436605515;assbot;People In Toronto Made Memorial For Dead Raccoon After City Forgot To Pick It Up For 12 Hrs | Bored Panda ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVJ5Wh ) 1197589;1436605775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87400 @ 0.00050268 = 43.9342 BTC [-] {5} 1197590;1436606032;shinohai;lol 1197591;1436607106;jurov;https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150710-genetic-alphabet/ heh, "shoulda switch DNA to ternary" 1197592;1436607108;assbot;New Letters Added to the Genetic Alphabet | Quanta Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVLmks ) 1197593;1436607544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00051275 = 16.5875 BTC [+] 1197594;1436608032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19289 @ 0.00051275 = 9.8904 BTC [+] 1197595;1436608947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29320 @ 0.00051536 = 15.1104 BTC [+] {2} 1197596;1436609374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00053341 = 1.3069 BTC [+] 1197597;1436609740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00053341 = 30.7778 BTC [+] 1197598;1436610411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43650 @ 0.00053303 = 23.2668 BTC [-] {2} 1197599;1436610777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46032 @ 0.00053391 = 24.5769 BTC [+] {2} 1197600;1436610795;shinohai;censorship >>>> https://coincafe.com/special_message.php 1197601;1436610796;assbot;Backpage.com policy | CoinCafe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkyFvD ) 1197602;1436611387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00053489 = 32.5748 BTC [+] {2} 1197603;1436612546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101148 @ 0.00052037 = 52.6344 BTC [-] {3} 1197604;1436612973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9835 @ 0.00049302 = 4.8489 BTC [-] 1197605;1436613888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00053665 = 12.1283 BTC [+] 1197606;1436614279;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Andreas Heimann ; ) 1197607;1436614281;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZYxN9 ) 1197608;1436614376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64550 @ 0.00053665 = 34.6408 BTC [+] 1197609;1436614791;kakobrekla;Andreas Heimann 1197610;1436614791;kakobrekla; @ACHeimann 1197611;1436614791;kakobrekla;ist Journalist in Berlin, leitet den dpa-Themendienst und twittert hier privat vor allem zu Medienthemen. 1197612;1436614885;kakobrekla;imma guess 1197613;1436615108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97850 @ 0.00053673 = 52.519 BTC [+] {4} 1197614;1436615352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00050946 = 20.1237 BTC [-] {2} 1197615;1436616796;mats;heh, former US AG Holder went back to Covington & Burling 1197616;1436616816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00053741 = 38.5323 BTC [+] {2} 1197617;1436617060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00053765 = 9.0863 BTC [+] 1197618;1436617349;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/3cuvhz/its_ok_folks_lets_regroup/ 1197619;1436617351;assbot;It's ok folks, let's regroup : litecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1gtV4QB ) 1197620;1436617365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35008 @ 0.00053765 = 18.8221 BTC [+] 1197621;1436618402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00053765 = 19.8931 BTC [+] 1197622;1436618757;funkenstein_;"Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ?? 1197623;1436618890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00052014 = 19.9994 BTC [-] {2} 1197624;1436619339;*;funkenstein_ ponders total silence surrounding continued phuctoring 1197625;1436620148;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197401 <-- this is a good start but version numbers should also include P and Z 1197626;1436620148;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 02:19:10; Luke-Jr: decimation: this may be of interested to you; it is a WIP https://gist.github.com/sipa/bf69659f43e763540550 1197627;1436620232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00051235 = 15.9597 BTC [-] {3} 1197628;1436620241;funkenstein_;!up SuchWow 1197629;1436620720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00052153 = 26.8588 BTC [+] 1197630;1436620887;shinohai;wow 1197631;1436621757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40510 @ 0.00053765 = 21.7802 BTC [+] 1197632;1436622062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00053765 = 18.9253 BTC [+] 1197633;1436622306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00053788 = 25.3879 BTC [+] {2} 1197634;1436624624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116600 @ 0.00054029 = 62.9978 BTC [+] {2} 1197635;1436624990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00054156 = 17.2216 BTC [+] 1197636;1436625478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13358 @ 0.00054156 = 7.2342 BTC [+] 1197637;1436626332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00053443 = 17.369 BTC [-] {2} 1197638;1436627064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00054156 = 15.0012 BTC [+] 1197639;1436627369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00054225 = 28.0614 BTC [+] {2} 1197640;1436627857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26132 @ 0.00054229 = 14.1711 BTC [+] 1197641;1436628040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34968 @ 0.00054229 = 18.9628 BTC [+] 1197642;1436628223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28151 @ 0.00052827 = 14.8713 BTC [-] {2} 1197643;1436629443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123000 @ 0.00050419 = 62.0154 BTC [-] {5} 1197644;1436630172;mircea_popescu;;;seen diametric 1197645;1436630174;gribble;diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: possible to get a sample capture? 1197646;1436630225;mircea_popescu;diametric you're getting ddos'd again, and apparently it's ever more impressive. you want a filter in front of this thing or what. 1197647;1436630292;mircea_popescu;which reminds me, shinohai you ever got email ? 1197648;1436630400;shinohai;nope never got another email :/ 1197649;1436630439;shinohai;plus i only have one good wallet and it broke, so i am 34 weeks behind xD 1197650;1436630496;mircea_popescu;lol k 1197651;1436630550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197303 << is he a bit of an autist ? 1197652;1436630550;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 00:37:04; gernika: "Ellen Pao, the interim chief executive officer of Reddit, will be succeeded by Steve Huffman." << Met this guy (Steve Huffman) years ago at a YC startup school event. Had a brief discussion with him about lisp (don't recall the dialect he used). 1197653;1436630694;mircea_popescu;in any case reddit's a chapter right out of the lolbook of failmanagement, you get an interim ceo to ease the transition to... one of the old founders ? that board is so stupid it can sit with the worst of 'em, http://trilema.com/2010/cel-mai-prost-board-din-istorie/ and so on. 1197654;1436630695;assbot;Cel mai prost Board din istorie on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0QyCY ) 1197655;1436631254;gernika;mircea_popescu no he seemed to make eye-contact, connect, etc. Aaron Schwartz, who I met at a similar such party (possibly even the same one) struck me as being much more of an autist. 1197656;1436631312;mircea_popescu;aha 1197657;1436631465;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bingoboingo for your qind qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/3FCEZ41.txt 1197658;1436631467;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0R83o ) 1197659;1436631467;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1197660;1436631569;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla and yours ! http://dpaste.com/2W2J79K.txt 1197661;1436631570;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0RdnG ) 1197662;1436631570;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1197663;1436631596;mircea_popescu;lol you got one for each ? 1197664;1436631608;pete_dushenski;lol no ? 1197665;1436631621;mircea_popescu;ah k 1197666;1436631621;pete_dushenski;same article, encrypted to each of their keys 1197667;1436631624;pete_dushenski;usual protocol 1197668;1436631640;mircea_popescu;you knoiw you can just do gpg --encrypt --armor -r one -r theother righjt ? 1197669;1436631661;pete_dushenski;this is true. 1197670;1436631680;pete_dushenski;dunno why i'm in the habit of giving them each one. 1197671;1436631702;pete_dushenski;presents are moar speshul when they're just for you ! 1197672;1436631756;mircea_popescu;and in other news : eulora is currently being practically re-written, because fucking idiots and their fucktarded assumptions. "oh, nobody could POSSIBLY ever want an int other than ~16!!!!~ bit". as a result, the skill display in game behaves eratically. as a result, all places that use ints and were apparently not upgraded to 32 bit because too much fucking work are now getting redefined as 64 bits. 1197673;1436631761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00050081 = 21.1342 BTC [-] 1197674;1436631768;mircea_popescu;because it's apparently still 1959 and nobody came up with a "machine length" int yet. 1197675;1436631826;pete_dushenski;lame. 1197676;1436631862;pete_dushenski;eulora thrills > mpoe thrills eh 1197677;1436631871;pete_dushenski;no one rewriting mpoe anytime soon 1197678;1436631918;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1197679;1436632032;pete_dushenski;so eta on new eulora ? 1197680;1436632065;mircea_popescu;it's sitll going as it is, just the experience filling bar of skills is fucked up 1197681;1436632073;mircea_popescu;minor visual glitch 1197682;1436632121;pete_dushenski;ah cool beans 1197683;1436632299;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1197684;1436632300;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 293.45, Best ask: 293.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 293.49, 24 hour volume: 55886.98510595, 24 hour low: 282.7, 24 hour high: 299.56, 24 hour vwap: None 1197685;1436632327;pete_dushenski;*that* close to 300 1197686;1436632676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00051186 = 15.3558 BTC [+] 1197687;1436633225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14049 @ 0.00051186 = 7.1911 BTC [+] 1197688;1436633286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2175 @ 0.00052321 = 1.138 BTC [+] 1197689;1436634357;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_modem 1197690;1436634376;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197674 << int 1197691;1436634376;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 16:22:48; mircea_popescu: because it's apparently still 1959 and nobody came up with a "machine length" int yet. 1197692;1436634438;ascii_modem;long int 1197693;1436634567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00051124 = 35.5567 BTC [-] {2} 1197694;1436636214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14527 @ 0.00050133 = 7.2828 BTC [-] {2} 1197695;1436636275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23541 @ 0.00049944 = 11.7573 BTC [-] {3} 1197696;1436638166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00051577 = 27.1553 BTC [+] 1197697;1436638471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00051614 = 16.4778 BTC [+] {2} 1197698;1436639020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52845 @ 0.00051204 = 27.0588 BTC [-] {2} 1197699;1436640545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11924 @ 0.00051141 = 6.0981 BTC [-] 1197700;1436641155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67850 @ 0.00050823 = 34.4834 BTC [-] {3} 1197701;1436641338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00050435 = 26.1001 BTC [-] {2} 1197702;1436642436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38461 @ 0.00051887 = 19.9563 BTC [+] {3} 1197703;1436642863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110500 @ 0.0005224 = 57.7252 BTC [+] {2} 1197704;1436643168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00051176 = 10.4911 BTC [-] 1197705;1436643534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00051176 = 12.7172 BTC [-] 1197706;1436644144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64606 @ 0.0005236 = 33.8277 BTC [+] {2} 1197707;1436644205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.0005365 = 1.2844 BTC [+] {2} 1197708;1436645242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50264 @ 0.00053656 = 26.9697 BTC [+] {2} 1197709;1436645447;punkman;heh "Finnish media reports that Germany, Holland, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovakia and Slovenia want "temporary" #Grexit" 1197710;1436645785;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196949 << 1 Corinthians 7:8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. 1197711;1436645785;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 19:33:32; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i still have no idea why anyone'd get married, but then again i'm weird like that. 1197712;1436645852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00053657 = 11.6972 BTC [+] 1197713;1436645974;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196970 << leg is different from boobs because child born of the former can still be expected to look similar to parents while child of latter may not 1197714;1436645974;assbot;Logged on 10-07-2015 19:37:48; mircea_popescu: and especially nonsensical given that there's an exactly just as silly, but opposite direction social convention : people going around with a prosthetic leg are apparently GREAT!11 1197715;1436646097;danielpbarron;;;isitup search.bitcoin-assets.com 1197716;1436646097;gribble;Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. 1197717;1436646104;danielpbarron;;;isdown search.bitcoin-assets.com 1197718;1436646104;gribble;Error: "isdown" is not a valid command. 1197719;1436646113;danielpbarron;;;isup search.bitcoin-assets.com 1197720;1436646117;gribble;search.bitcoin-assets.com is down 1197721;1436646123;jurov;danielpbarron: did jesus set a limit for # of wives? 1197722;1436646147;danielpbarron;no, but we know from Solomon that there is an upward bound that isn't specified 1197723;1436646191;danielpbarron;!s Jian Feng 1197724;1436646252;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Jian+Feng 1197725;1436646260;jurov;solomon, the first C programmer 1197726;1436646313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00053657 = 4.6413 BTC [+] 1197727;1436646327;danielpbarron;Deuteronomy 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the Lord has said to you, 'You shall not return that way again.' 17 Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself. 1197728;1436646350;danielpbarron;http://www.atruechurch.info/polygamy.html >> As for a king who breached Deuteronomy 17:17, Solomon is the classic example. He had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Yet, even though Solomon obviously multiplied wives to himself, the Lord condemns Solomon, in particular, for his marriage of foreign women (1 Kings 11:1-2; Deuteronomy 7:1-4) and the resultant idolatry (1 Kings 11:4). 1197729;1436646351;assbot;A True Church - Polygamy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hv0PTP ) 1197730;1436647045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8523 @ 0.00052006 = 4.4325 BTC [-] 1197731;1436647289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00053657 = 6.8681 BTC [+] 1197732;1436648265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00053657 = 20.0141 BTC [+] 1197733;1436648570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16659 @ 0.000536 = 8.9292 BTC [-] 1197734;1436648844;scoopbot_revived;Pirate Bay Four Acquitted Of Charges http://qntra.net/2015/07/pirate-bay-four-acquitted-of-charges/ 1197735;1436649507;trinque;am I noticing that the price of mpex trends upward before the price of bitcoin does? 1197736;1436649507;scoopbot_revived;Mining Difficulty Reaches New High http://qntra.net/2015/07/mining-difficulty-reaches-new-high/ 1197737;1436649511;trinque;I'd like to see that graph 1197738;1436649516;*;trinque goes to check out btcalpha 1197739;1436649546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13341 @ 0.00052006 = 6.9381 BTC [-] 1197740;1436649607;mats;dun think there's any correlation 1197741;1436649745;trinque;maybe not 1197742;1436650149;trinque;gabriel_laddel: got a recommendation on something that'll bust out docs for *any* symbol? 1197743;1436650160;trinque;I want hyperspec.el for errethang 1197744;1436650212;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197651 <<< does not appear he will ban /r/coontown https://archive.is/UE0n9 meanwhile coontown banned me from their irc channel 1197745;1436650212;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 16:02:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197303 << is he a bit of an autist ? 1197746;1436650213;assbot;airwx comments on I am Steve Huffman, the new CEO of reddit. AMA. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYrH4T ) 1197747;1436650313;trinque;maybe just getting eldoc to barf out the docstring for the thing at point would suffice 1197748;1436650611;gabriel_laddel;trinque: M-x slime-describe-symbol 1197749;1436650661;trinque;yeah, I basically want that guy jammed into eldoc 1197750;1436650671;gabriel_laddel;trinque: do you know elisp? 1197751;1436650677;trinque;I can fart around in it 1197752;1436650689;gabriel_laddel;trinque: alright, gimme a minute and I'll write it for ya 1197753;1436650700;trinque;cool! 1197754;1436650734;gabriel_laddel;ftr, no one should have to learn elisp. it is a shit language. 1197755;1436651254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00052345 = 15.2324 BTC [+] 1197756;1436651486;gabriel_laddel;trinque: wait, is this for CL or elisp 1197757;1436651490;gabriel_laddel;or both 1197758;1436651505;trinque;CL 1197759;1436651507;trinque;but both sure 1197760;1436651523;gabriel_laddel;well, doing both is sorta a PITA, so I'll prolly decline that 1197761;1436651528;trinque;heh, np 1197762;1436651536;trinque;don't even have to do the former unless you want to 1197763;1436651538;gabriel_laddel;but there already exists a printer for the value of the symbol at point 1197764;1436651548;gabriel_laddel;so I just have to find that, modify the format string 1197765;1436651549;gabriel_laddel;the end 1197766;1436651553;trinque;I'll take all the CL prosthetics I can get 1197767;1436651590;gabriel_laddel;trinque: have you been using the CLIM listener in your CL hacking? 1197768;1436651619;trinque;I haven't really, other than with the intent to learn about CLIM 1197769;1436651635;trinque;current thing I'm hacking on is that api server guy 1197770;1436651642;trinque;I'm open to hearing how I'd use CLIM there 1197771;1436651666;gabriel_laddel;I can't speak to that, but using the class browser is a great boon to CL development. 1197772;1436651681;gabriel_laddel;I ended up binding it to f8, as was tired of pulling it up all the time. 1197773;1436651705;trinque;ah ok; yeah, paging through the hyperspec is my current method of discovering new functions to use 1197774;1436651727;trinque;I'll try your suggestion there 1197775;1436651763;gabriel_laddel;trinque: try `apropos' and note that you can display all generic functions for a class using the left click. 1197776;1436651880;phf;gabriel_laddel: have you been using mcclim for day to day hacking? last time i tried it, it was very slow. but then it was on a ppc machine, so maybe moore's law took care of that 1197777;1436651946;gabriel_laddel;phf: My dashboard (which I use every day) is CLIM. I edit text in CLIMACS from time to time, use the listener to browse classes. 1197778;1436651963;gabriel_laddel;earlier I started to modify the address book to handle my rolodex 1197779;1436651972;gabriel_laddel;also, I'm using it at work 1197780;1436651974;gabriel_laddel;:/ 1197781;1436651975;gabriel_laddel;so yet? 1197782;1436651978;gabriel_laddel;*yes? 1197783;1436652076;phf;hmm, might be worth giving it a try then. i wrote some code with clim a while back, but that was using lispworks 1197784;1436652102;gabriel_laddel;phf: the whole "backends" thing (which lispworks uses) is retarded. 1197785;1436652109;gabriel_laddel;the only way to go is all lisp 1197786;1436652117;gabriel_laddel;CLX+stumpwm+CLIM 1197787;1436652132;gabriel_laddel;perhaps someone will take the time to hack the "zen" X server into this stack 1197788;1436652258;trinque;I'll be fine seeing someone stick a chisel in the ear of emacs, breaking it into the several pieces it should've been 1197789;1436652272;phf;lispworks clim is a life support for legacy systems, and as such their technical decisions have merit 1197790;1436652291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31586 @ 0.00051847 = 16.3764 BTC [-] {2} 1197791;1436652328;trinque;gabriel_laddel: seems the further down the stack lisp might reach, the more the argument that it should be coming from the bottom up applies 1197792;1436652354;gabriel_laddel;trinque: sure. 1197793;1436652366;gabriel_laddel;phf: yeah, sure. but being a hospice cog isn't fun 1197794;1436652407;gabriel_laddel;trinque: fundamentally the only way I see this happening is by getting a great prince to "see" why it is one would like such a thing. 1197795;1436652417;gabriel_laddel;hence, I'm pushing for lispy demos everywhere 1197796;1436652428;gabriel_laddel;so they go back to windows and rage 1197797;1436652432;trinque;gabriel_laddel: indeed, I "see what you did there" so to speak 1197798;1436652459;gabriel_laddel;I'd never phrase it like that, but sure. 1197799;1436652469;gabriel_laddel;MP is on the verge of understanding. 1197800;1436652480;trinque;well more specifically 1197801;1436652494;trinque;I wouldn't even be bothering now if I hadn't used emacs for years prior 1197802;1436652508;trinque;I compared masamune to emacs somewhere in teh logz 1197803;1436652525;gabriel_laddel;I'm not really sure what you're getting at? 1197804;1436652536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.0005033 = 18.6976 BTC [-] 1197805;1436652536;gabriel_laddel;I saw that. 1197806;1436652550;trinque;emacs is what a guy whose seen a lisp machine builds on unix 1197807;1436652559;trinque;with the pragmatism dial set somewhere middling 1197808;1436652593;gabriel_laddel;Emacs is Stallman hating the lisp machine. Pragmatic my arse. 1197809;1436652643;trinque;gabriel_laddel: dunno if my point is coming across. 1197810;1436652648;gabriel_laddel;not at all 1197811;1436652652;gabriel_laddel;Spending a year learning elisp, and then a year unlearning it because it's a dead end isn't pragmatic at all. 1197812;1436652659;gabriel_laddel;fucking stallman 1197813;1436652663;trinque;I use pragmatic as a dirty word 1197814;1436652664;gabriel_laddel;should have just used CL 1197815;1436652721;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I'm still not sure what you're getting at... 1197816;1436652739;trinque;emacs is the closest thing I as a derp coming into the industry in 2006 would ever find which somewhat resembled the experience that was possible *before I was goddamn born* 1197817;1436652763;trinque;*dev experience 1197818;1436652911;gabriel_laddel;hrm.. I'll drop something in the logs about forwards compatibility sometime. 1197819;1436652965;trinque;I'm trying to say something about acts of desperation around preserving a dying (better) culture in the midst of an insane one. 1197820;1436652974;trinque;coming up short atm, and gotta run 1197821;1436653015;trinque;obviously I want stan's fucking c-gate flowputer if it would mean I can actually reason about the machine's behavior 1197822;1436653027;trinque;barring that... sbcl on unix? or some other compromise? 1197823;1436653111;trinque;if you'd cracked warp drives, yet were surrounded by imbeciles that couldn't use the knowledge if they tried, maybe you might try to stash the knowledge in some corner of the world where it may re-emerge later 1197824;1436653146;trinque;*from which it 1197825;1436653152;trinque;bbl 1197826;1436653694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.0005033 = 20.887 BTC [-] 1197827;1436653945;gabriel_laddel;!rated mjr_ 1197828;1436653945;assbot;mjr_ is not registered in WoT. 1197829;1436654062;phf;gabriel_laddel: have you seen, nyef is making a new clim version, i think i read something about framebuffer backend 1197830;1436654086;phf;https://github.com/abridgewater/nq-clim 1197831;1436654088;assbot;abridgewater/nq-clim · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2m4Sr ) 1197832;1436654122;gabriel_laddel;phf: I had not seen this, thanks. 1197833;1436654171;gabriel_laddel;Though I wish everyone would *stop it* with making new CLIM, CLIMACS etc. and just make what we have work. 1197834;1436654290;*;gabriel_laddel mumbles "forwards compatibility!" 1197835;1436654429;phf;yeah yeah, but it's cockroaches all the way down. anyone sane who's attempted ends up like asciilifeform, rejecting von neumann architecture, and ultimately giving up 1197836;1436654461;gabriel_laddel;I was going to put this off until later - but whatever. 1197837;1436654481;gabriel_laddel;Look, there is no reason we can't take SBCL and incrementally modify it to work on a loper device 1197838;1436654517;gabriel_laddel;People keep bitching about "all the things wrong with common lisp" while completely ignoring that you can meaningfully upgrade the language without throwing away all the work that has been done over the years. 1197839;1436654548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63638 @ 0.00051164 = 32.5597 BTC [+] {2} 1197840;1436654622;gabriel_laddel;For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever. 1197841;1436654648;gabriel_laddel;the compiler can then be modified to take this into account. 1197842;1436654665;gabriel_laddel;I, for example, dislike having both defstruct and defclass in the language. 1197843;1436654673;gabriel_laddel;Am currently waiting for an intern to fix this. 1197844;1436654709;gabriel_laddel;Over the course of a few years we can work the language down to something much smaller without at any point making it unsuitable for production work. 1197845;1436654751;gabriel_laddel;Even with a Loper device you'll still have programs composed of the same primitives: draw-circle*, draw-sphere* 1197846;1436654792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 108852 @ 0.00002602 = 2.8323 BTC [-] {14} 1197847;1436654808;gabriel_laddel;Work CL down to the core language and then when you get something new to play with you can build up that core and run (some) 'CL' programs on it. 1197848;1436654853;gabriel_laddel;These metaprograms are great tasks for interns, especially those who don't "get lisp" yet. 1197849;1436654871;phf;i'm not one of those people you're arguing against, i like cl standard just fine. i did paid common lisp consulting on and off for the past 10 years. 1197850;1436654934;gabriel_laddel;phf: o cool 1197851;1436654956;gabriel_laddel;phf: also, I think the loper device will end up being designed on top of CLIM. 1197852;1436654960;gabriel_laddel;there are not really any other options 1197853;1436654975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00051604 = 14.4749 BTC [+] 1197854;1436655006;gabriel_laddel;!up ascii_modem 1197855;1436655030;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197840 << that'd be 'scheme' 1197856;1436655030;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever. 1197857;1436655065;gabriel_laddel;ascii_modem: there is a scheme which didn't throw away the CL compiler and start from scratch? 1197858;1436655091;ascii_modem;which compiler 1197859;1436655118;gabriel_laddel;If *any* of them did this, for any compiler, I'd be rather surprised. 1197860;1436655128;ascii_modem;sbcl, ccl, allegro, lispworks - each had own 1197861;1436655171;ascii_modem;basic boojum with ~all~ lisps on x86 - is same 1197862;1436655197;gabriel_laddel;sbcl, ccl, allegro, lispworks - each had own << You can still take portable CL programs and run the upgrade program on them without forcing compiler changes. 1197863;1436655205;ascii_modem;the retarded os, in turn forced into being by retarded hw 1197864;1436655213;gabriel_laddel;I know, I know. 1197865;1436655264;phf;i think "minimal set of common lisp primitives" is a common theme on #lisp, not surprisingly with different answers every time 1197866;1436655302;gabriel_laddel;phf: no one has done so much as even drafting a document specifying what is to be removed. 1197867;1436655305;ascii_modem;you won't appreciate the full weight of this until you try to do something with, e.g., graphics, or signal process 1197868;1436655309;gabriel_laddel;I read the relevent cliki page. 1197869;1436655337;*;gabriel_laddel has a document collecting these links, ideas 1197870;1436655354;gabriel_laddel;ascii_modem: like what with graphics? 1197871;1436655364;gabriel_laddel;ascii_modem: I am currently using CLIM, opengl 1197872;1436655379;ascii_modem;rearranging 'elt' and 'nth' ~~ 'deck chairs on titanic' 1197873;1436655389;gabriel_laddel;heh 1197874;1436655396;gabriel_laddel;defstruct and defclass? 1197875;1436655407;ascii_modem;fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics 1197876;1436655431;ascii_modem;fuck wrapping abstractions around gpu ops 1197877;1436655485;ascii_modem;fuck 2 machines showing 2 different bitmaps from same graphics op 1197878;1436655502;ascii_modem;pc - retarded. 1197879;1436655585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00052345 = 14.5257 BTC [+] 1197880;1436655662;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197814 << cl on pc only really became tolerably livable with in late '90s 1197881;1436655662;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 22:11:04; gabriel_laddel: should have just used CL 1197882;1436655717;phf;gabriel_laddel: that's because "removing" is not a particularly worthwhile activity in this case 1197883;1436655759;gabriel_laddel;phf: then wtf is everyone discussing on #lisp? 1197884;1436655770;phf;gabriel_laddel: intellectual exercise :) 1197885;1436655800;ascii_modem;all of these turd polishings are 20+ years of wank by now, 1197886;1436655802;phf;in practical terms, common lisp quirks are direct result of underlying machine level architecture 1197887;1436655811;gabriel_laddel;I suppose masturbation counts as exercise. 1197888;1436655840;ascii_modem;and distract from the fact that the ~machine~ is terminally retarded 1197889;1436655880;gabriel_laddel;ascii_modem: dija read the part where I specified the reason for this is to impress a prince? 1197890;1436655900;ascii_modem;if i were prince - i'd spit 1197891;1436655907;phf;at some point i assume it wasn't retarded, more like "what can i do with these resistors and a soldering iron", became retarded later 1197892;1436655924;phf;because technology change, but thinking basically remained the same 1197893;1436655974;gabriel_laddel;ascii_modem: notice that you're not a prince. 1197894;1436655983;ascii_modem;notice - princes - they spit 1197895;1436655995;ascii_modem;and i know why. 1197896;1436656005;ascii_modem;go ask'em 1197897;1436656016;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: explain please. 1197898;1436656046;gabriel_laddel;trinque: yeah, so fyi there is no obvious way to add the docstring to eldoc 1197899;1436656055;gabriel_laddel;trinque: takes too much work. I give up. 1197900;1436656075;ascii_modem;bbl. 1197901;1436657293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89858 @ 0.00051034 = 45.8581 BTC [-] {4} 1197902;1436657354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00051684 = 6.538 BTC [+] 1197903;1436657903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.0005033 = 2.0635 BTC [-] 1197904;1436659002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15098 @ 0.00050439 = 7.6153 BTC [+] 1197905;1436659245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56311 @ 0.00051286 = 28.8797 BTC [+] {2} 1197906;1436659306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9089 @ 0.00052105 = 4.7358 BTC [+] 1197907;1436659341;gabriel_laddel;To those reading along, how do I know http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197799 ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-05-2015#1144266 1197908;1436659341;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 22:07:49; gabriel_laddel: MP is on the verge of understanding. 1197909;1436659341;assbot;Logged on 23-05-2015 07:11:21; mircea_popescu: seems the sort of meta-prograsmming task for which lisp was invented anyway. keep your code as a s-expr of the code you deliver. 1197910;1436659672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116011 @ 0.00052225 = 60.5867 BTC [+] {3} 1197911;1436660587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43175 @ 0.00053951 = 23.2933 BTC [+] {2} 1197912;1436660648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27225 @ 0.00054233 = 14.7649 BTC [+] {2} 1197913;1436660953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46937 @ 0.00053472 = 25.0982 BTC [-] 1197914;1436661017;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbHKzpzlgkc 1197915;1436661019;assbot;top breech - YouTube ... 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( http://bit.ly/1eRfe5Y ) 1197921;1436662901;shinohai;lolz 1197922;1436662966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93550 @ 0.00051902 = 48.5543 BTC [-] 1197923;1436663831;trinque;gabriel_laddel | trinque: yeah, so fyi there is no obvious way to add the docstring to eldoc << thanks for the crack at it 1197924;1436663868;trinque;might be easier for me to forget about eldoc and try writing what I actually want from scratch 1197925;1436663971;gabriel_laddel;trinque: well, you could do that, but it will interact with eldoc and slime-autodoc 1197926;1436663976;gabriel_laddel;which are on idle timers 1197927;1436664005;trinque;yes that might be the right way; I'm not in a position where I feel I know the best way yet. 1197928;1436664019;gabriel_laddel;lol, idle timers are the ONLY way to do that 1197929;1436664036;trinque;I want two things, at any point I want to know what I have available to me in the context I'm in 1197930;1436664059;trinque;I want to have that broken apart into sensible categories of action, a tree structure of sorts from the current point outward to wherever else I might go 1197931;1436664108;gabriel_laddel;:/ I know. Climacs is the inevitable conclusion. Doing the elisp dance around the cl package system just isn't fun. 1197932;1436664115;gabriel_laddel;and eldoc is integrated into elisp 1197933;1436664119;trinque;yeah you already know two 1197934;1436664120;gabriel_laddel;polluting it. 1197935;1436664131;trinque;gimme the same thing for *THIS* I've chosen 1197936;1436664152;trinque;the docs for it, and a way to traverse to related things I might want to use instead 1197937;1436664181;gabriel_laddel;Generic functions for this class, sorted by if they're implemented yet, things that have been passed this type in the past... 1197938;1436664194;trinque;certainly 1197939;1436664200;trinque;what does the whole goddamn world look like from this point 1197940;1436664218;trinque;I am a very visual/spatial thinker 1197941;1436664243;trinque;and only grow proficient in a domain when I have a sort of physical model of the space 1197942;1436664276;gabriel_laddel;how the fuck did you ever get good at python 1197943;1436664289;gabriel_laddel;related: I want to be able to inspect an object, mark it, then jump around through a bunch of other objects and hit a key to get a sexpr representing the accessor corresponding to my traversal. 1197944;1436664322;trinque;gabriel_laddel | how the fuck did you ever get good at python << by forcing myself to work through it 1197945;1436664348;trinque;eventually acquiring the mental picture of python's insane world 1197946;1436664369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15387 @ 0.00053591 = 8.246 BTC [+] 1197947;1436664392;trinque;and tbh I write python in a functional style over mostly primitive types 1197948;1436664417;trinque;I am a simpleton. 1197949;1436664477;trinque;gabriel_laddel: that example of taking action *once* and being able to turn that sort of "recorded" action into an abstraction, exactly fucking right 1197950;1436664528;gabriel_laddel;Even if the indicies are hardcoded... still useful. 1197951;1436664537;trinque;our merry band of madmen got things such as these done once upon a time by representing the ASTs of SQL queries as table structures in postresql 1197952;1436664552;gabriel_laddel;madmen indeed 1197953;1436664564;trinque;that was where I accidentally bumped into the power of a homoiconic language 1197954;1436664572;trinque;because we... lol... forced SQL to behave like one 1197955;1436664607;gabriel_laddel;fyi: http://lisptips.com/post/20871695085/printing-package-qualified-symbols 1197956;1436664608;assbot;Printing package-qualified symbols ... ( http://bit.ly/1HvFRUE ) 1197957;1436664635;trinque;model ebnf as tables -> describe some particular grammar in those tables -> derive schema for statements in that grammar -> derive parser for farting ASTs into tables -> so on so on 1197958;1436664676;trinque;it's just everything is data, including that which is used to model and manipulate the data 1197959;1436664679;trinque;lisp did it far far better 1197960;1436664730;trinque;incidentally we had the ebnf one bootstrapped such that it contained the description of its own structure 1197961;1436664736;trinque;and could revise it from there 1197962;1436664740;trinque;transactionally even 1197963;1436664748;trinque;and that was super powerful as well, and I don't know how to get that on the CL side 1197964;1436664796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46471 @ 0.00053591 = 24.9043 BTC [+] 1197965;1436664822;gabriel_laddel;what, transactions? 1197966;1436664839;gabriel_laddel;why would you want to revise sexprs? 1197967;1436664853;trinque;yeah, I want to go insane in an arbitrary direction changing some data structure, then decide nope arbitrarily later 1197968;1436664858;trinque;or even better, have it fail some constraint and do so 1197969;1436664863;trinque;or in other words... "database" 1197970;1436664898;gabriel_laddel;yeah, I wish you the best of luck on that quest. It is straightforwards, but ugh. 1197971;1436664903;trinque;I would have to describe better how I've leaned on there being a declared schema which is also data 1197972;1436664943;gabriel_laddel;defclass, plists, alists 1197973;1436664959;trinque;for example an inner join between the schema-describing-tables and the rows describing the grammar was how I wrote a generic to-string for any language in the ebnf tables 1197974;1436665059;gabriel_laddel;fucking ayy man 1197975;1436665093;gabriel_laddel;I hope you don't take offense to this but... 1197976;1436665105;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: this is what I mean by "we need people to carry the water" 1197977;1436665120;gabriel_laddel;seriously, redirecting a trinque at CL would make the development 100x better. 1197978;1436665131;gabriel_laddel;*the development experience 1197979;1436665144;trinque;if you mean somebody should've kicked my ass ten years ago for not writing CL, I agree. 1197980;1436665188;gabriel_laddel;I mean that someone should have paid for you to write CL, preferable packaging it up as an unchanging distro supporting only a subset of hardware. 1197981;1436665211;trinque;so, here's what I do in real life, right? 1197982;1436665225;trinque;I model people's businesses using a database 1197983;1436665238;trinque;so to the extent that you put a better tool in my hands to do that, I'll only be appreciative. 1197984;1436665248;trinque;s/appreciative/paying you/ 1197985;1436665271;trinque;I'm not personally out to revolutionize computing by focusing all my time on that as such 1197986;1436665277;trinque;make sense? 1197987;1436665285;gabriel_laddel;Yep. This is what I'm trying to get ascii to see. 1197988;1436665528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127628 @ 0.00051856 = 66.1828 BTC [-] {2} 1197989;1436665618;trinque;model a business, describe business rules which constrain the changes possible to the model, present the state of the model in various useful ways, attach behavior to changes permitted by the model 1197990;1436665625;trinque;this is every goddamn application I've ever sold 1197991;1436665642;trinque;and a tool which allows me to rapidly do that will drastically increase the rate of said selling 1197992;1436665667;trinque;and you could stack corpses to the sky replacing products which were specific incarnations of such a database, rather than attacking the general problem described above. 1197993;1436665680;trinque;and then when you've got fat stacks from all the killing you've been doing, hell, build some hardware why don't you? 1197994;1436665798;trinque;this I think hits the problem of "the sale wants their particular problem solved head on" vs "to be a successful software business I must generalize" squarely 1197995;1436666175;gabriel_laddel;!s dawg just make the cardano already so we can sell em 1197996;1436666235;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dawg+just+make+the+cardano+already+so+we+can+sell+em 1197997;1436666235;gabriel_laddel;kakobrekla: search is down? 1197998;1436666294;phf;were you guys trying to put symbol documentation into slime-autodoc results? that seems pretty easy, just patch whatever swank:autodoc returns. though seems like it would be distracting since multiline docs will keep resizing modeline every time your point is at a new function 1197999;1436666367;phf;there's also C-c C-d d which brings up a window with symbol's description 1198000;1436666491;gabriel_laddel;phf: C-c C-d d << M-x slime-describe-symbol 1198001;1436666567;trinque;bbl 1198002;1436666616;phf;gabriel_laddel: i'm not sure what you're trying to say 1198003;1436666711;gabriel_laddel;phf: Nothing interesting. Twas already covered in the logs... 1198004;1436666866;phf;gabriel_laddel: oh you're right, i'm behind on my readin' 1198005;1436667333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133450 @ 0.00053473 = 71.3597 BTC [+] 1198006;1436667515;gabriel_laddel;!up trixbutt 1198007;1436667520;gabriel_laddel;!up cosmo 1198008;1436668255;gernika;I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow." 1198009;1436668430;gabriel_laddel;gernika: odd. 1198010;1436668431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107415 @ 0.00054072 = 58.0814 BTC [+] {2} 1198011;1436668439;gabriel_laddel;gernika: you live in the valley? 1198012;1436668466;gernika;Close to there. I'm more on the peninsula. 1198013;1436668492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17585 @ 0.00054623 = 9.6055 BTC [+] 1198014;1436668619;phf;trinque, gabriel_laddel http://paste.lisp.org/display/151403 1198015;1436668621;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXq6L4 ) 1198016;1436669074;gabriel_laddel;!rate phf 2 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198014 1198017;1436669075;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9dd9f91f07d236ef 1198018;1436669075;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 02:36:59; phf: trinque, gabriel_laddel http://paste.lisp.org/display/151403 1198019;1436669163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81275 @ 0.0005413 = 43.9942 BTC [-] 1198020;1436670549;mircea_popescu;!up trixbutt 1198021;1436670688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39844 @ 0.00052301 = 20.8388 BTC [-] 1198022;1436671028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-august-2014-statement/#comment-114754 << don't you find it a little odd that even on an obscure liuttle game such as eulora, someone does find the time to carefully probe me about aes ? 1198023;1436671029;assbot;MiniGame (S.MG), August 2014 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYIZ1N ) 1198024;1436671278;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << whatever have you two done. 1198025;1436671280;assbot; Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeTElh ) 1198026;1436671298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42181 @ 0.00052301 = 22.0611 BTC [-] 1198027;1436671354;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seems to be traction from the transaction fees article 1198028;1436671361;mircea_popescu;nb. 1198029;1436671374;mircea_popescu;it's like, almost february all over again. 1198030;1436671434;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197553 << they are disconcertingly yellow... 1198031;1436671434;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 06:06:44; Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often 1198032;1436671483;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197584 << haha well that fox had a good meal for surer 1198033;1436671483;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 08:13:46; cazalla: or inattentive chicken shepherd 1198034;1436671527;hanbot;good sort of yellow tho'. of course, how would you know if you hadn't had good eggs /turmeric/etc 1198035;1436671563;mircea_popescu;"waiter, i ordered soffran rice and what the fuck is this yellow poison looking shit!" 1198036;1436671585;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197622 << anything but a science that renders journos unnecessary! 1198037;1436671585;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 12:45:57; funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ?? 1198038;1436671613;mircea_popescu;"At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ? 1198039;1436671620;mircea_popescu;well done, whoever. 1198040;1436671699;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk 1198041;1436671723;phillipsjk;I really should auth with the bot with pgp though. 1198042;1436671734;mircea_popescu;so go ahead. 1198043;1436671848;cazalla;BingoBoingo, that bio lol https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/crypto/ 1198044;1436671849;assbot;Jonas Borchgrevink, Author at CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnOTYj ) 1198045;1436671856;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197713 << i don't follow. how's the daugther of boob implant woman not able to look the same as mom ? 1198046;1436671856;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 20:19:34; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196970 << leg is different from boobs because child born of the former can still be expected to look similar to parents while child of latter may not 1198047;1436672109;hanbot;mircea_popescu i think the point is able!=expected 1198048;1436672132;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Scam bio 1198049;1436672152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90053 @ 0.00054288 = 48.888 BTC [+] 1198050;1436672527;mircea_popescu;lol 1198051;1436672544;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel btw, you use emacs ? 1198052;1436672648;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: yeah 1198053;1436672658;mircea_popescu;an' you hate it basically ? 1198054;1436672661;phillipsjk;I am not sure I can auth with assbot. to verify I need to decrypt a OTP, but I need a rating of 2 for the !up command to challenge me with one. 1198055;1436672674;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: yep. 1198056;1436672675;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk no you don't ? you just pm assbot !up 1198057;1436672686;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel well there goes that idea. 1198058;1436672708;gabriel_laddel;eurlora client? 1198059;1436672729;gabriel_laddel;*eulora 1198060;1436672733;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1198061;1436672736;phillipsjk;assbot says: "You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)" 1198062;1436672755;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197840 << this is basically how the libc hack of template files works eh. 1198063;1436672755;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever. 1198064;1436672766;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot phillipsjk 1198065;1436672767;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=phillipsjk | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phillipsjk/ 1198066;1436672779;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk apparently you can't actually self-voice. 1198067;1436672810;phillipsjk;Can I auth with the bot without voicing? 1198068;1436672815;mircea_popescu;nope. 1198069;1436672836;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: the problem with templates is that generating syntatically correct code is fucking impossible. 1198070;1436672841;mircea_popescu;in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink. 1198071;1436672872;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i think the principle of machine-fixed code is broken, but hey. maybe you're in a narrow enough case you can pull it off. 1198072;1436672896;mircea_popescu;if you can actually write programs to fix programs - why haven't you yet and why are we still running broken code everywhere. 1198073;1436672908;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: because I'm lazy? 1198074;1436672912;gabriel_laddel;I need interns 1198075;1436672942;mircea_popescu;that process works better the other way. ("i need to intern for this guy" vs "i need people to intern for me") 1198076;1436673005;gabriel_laddel;I want to move *up* the ladder of abstraction. Purely mechanical lisping doesn't interest me. 1198077;1436673033;phillipsjk;Anyway, I screwed up with my AES comment: naivly encrypting game commands with a fixed key will give you the same cipher text given the same input. Chipher modes are not my field of expertise though. 1198078;1436673053;gabriel_laddel;Even if what I'm suggesting for interns is state of the art for some people. 1198079;1436673074;gabriel_laddel;I could go to africa (or stanford) if I wanted to be "considered intelligent" 1198080;1436673079;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk i've not put much design effort into that yet at any rate. 1198081;1436673144;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197875 << having been more or less peripherally aware of gfx software the past coupla decades, i gotta tell you opengl is both come very far and possibly one of the worst retarded solutions ever seen. 1198082;1436673144;assbot;Logged on 11-07-2015 22:56:47; ascii_modem: fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics 1198083;1436673153;mircea_popescu;granted this isn't much seeing just how retarded that field is, but anway 1198084;1436673173;mircea_popescu;i am thankful directx fucking died, that's for use. 1198085;1436673176;mircea_popescu;sure* 1198086;1436673203;mircea_popescu;worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx 1198087;1436673271;mircea_popescu;hm. by "worst retarded" i actually mean "least retarded". 1198088;1436673335;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif 1198089;1436673336;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD ) 1198090;1436673422;decimation;mircea_popescu: I buy your political reasons, but aes was the 'winner' of a fairly large and open 'competition' and was then recommended by usg. How is that 'coming out of nowhere'? 1198091;1436673457;mircea_popescu;blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ? 1198092;1436673502;mircea_popescu;i dunno about you, or anyone else. but to me, winning a competition is a discomendation. 1198093;1436673522;mircea_popescu;you know, like i don't expect a film to be good because it got 7 oscars. i expect it to suck. 1198094;1436673537;mircea_popescu;and i don't expect a dude to have something meaningful to say because he got a nobel prize, but IN SPITE of getting it. 1198095;1436673538;mircea_popescu;etc. 1198096;1436673560;mircea_popescu;!up phillipsjk 1198097;1436673561;decimation;yeah that seems like a reasonable objection 1198098;1436673582;mircea_popescu;i guess "purely political" is not even the best way to state it. purely idiosyncratic. 1198099;1436673639;mircea_popescu;o look at that, actually an english word. cool. 1198100;1436673921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00052863 = 7.4537 BTC [-] 1198101;1436673941;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1198102;1436673942;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 303.79, Best ask: 303.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 303.8, 24 hour volume: 45768.38673079, 24 hour low: 285.29, 24 hour high: 308.42, 24 hour vwap: None 1198103;1436673950;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1198104;1436673957;punkman;guten tag 1198105;1436673983;mircea_popescu;καλή μέρα 1198106;1436674008;mircea_popescu;(amusingly enough, that says "inkwell" in romanian, phonetically) 1198107;1436674042;punkman;mircea_popescu: o look at that, actually an english word. cool. << which? 1198108;1436674056;mircea_popescu;idiosyncratic 1198109;1436674065;punkman;that's a very greek word actually 1198110;1436674072;mircea_popescu;originally, obviously. 1198111;1436674081;mircea_popescu;but surprisingly enough, exists in english. 1198112;1436674135;mircea_popescu;(yes, i confess, mp doesn't generally use natural language "as it is", but "as it should be", like any serious autist. it's wonder anything i say's comprehensible to any degree) 1198113;1436674206;phillipsjk;After a little research, I found that twofish was one of the finalists in that competition. (Apparently the 64bit block size of blowfish it a little small for some applications like encrypting over 4GB) You are probing me now :) 1198114;1436674267;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198088 similar appeal as the dressed/undressed sets 1198115;1436674267;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 03:55:35; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif 1198116;1436674278;mircea_popescu;phillipsjk yes, but that's both trivial to fix and in practice long fixed (twofish, threefish, etc). it is in point of fact a VERY promising cypher branch, mostly on the account of its extremely complex schedule 1198117;1436674288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58069 @ 0.00052863 = 30.697 BTC [-] 1198118;1436674307;mircea_popescu;cazalla i liked the fact that the only pictures in which she displays good posture, she's wearing "slave" or whatever you'd call it garb. 1198119;1436674345;mircea_popescu;this is shocking but factual : rarely will you see women carrying themselves like actual people outside of dance school and the slave quarters. 1198120;1436674421;cazalla;you're big on posture eh? mentioned numerous times now 1198121;1436674431;mircea_popescu;yes, i'm big on posture. 1198122;1436674469;cazalla;not that i enjoy a slouch, just not something i've considered before either 1198123;1436674492;trinque;I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it 1198124;1436674511;trinque;fascinating observation re: the slave gear 1198125;1436674533;mircea_popescu;put a woman naked on a horse, it'll tell you all you need to know about the "empowerment of feminism" and whatnot. 1198126;1436674550;punkman;I got the impression she was looking at her belly with most outfits 1198127;1436674592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138750 @ 0.000516 = 71.595 BTC [-] {3} 1198128;1436674625;mircea_popescu;punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis. 1198129;1436674653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125200 @ 0.00051131 = 64.016 BTC [-] {2} 1198130;1436674667;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198123 <<< i was being specific to women fwiw.. all australian men walk around with their chest out, shoulders back asking if ya wanna have a go, cunt? 1198131;1436674667;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 04:14:52; trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it 1198132;1436674716;mircea_popescu;so what happens when two meet ? 1198133;1436674747;punkman;chest-bump or fist-fight 1198134;1436674878;cazalla;or a fist bump and they go their seperate ways 1198135;1436674907;trinque;cazalla: yeah, specifically to the chick; she's in this garb that evokes a certain narrative, suddenly perked as though immediately at home in that context 1198136;1436674938;trinque;but also hell, I like wearing a good suit (and I'm sure by better standards I've never worn one) 1198137;1436674964;mircea_popescu;so come to ba, have one made. 1198138;1436674970;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1198139;1436675020;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198086 << wat. 1198140;1436675020;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 03:53:23; mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx 1198141;1436675031;ascii_modem;never lived, in my eyes 1198142;1436675031;mircea_popescu;yes. 1198143;1436675055;mircea_popescu;yeah, but you also don't play. 1198144;1436675058;ascii_modem;who the fuk cares what microshit did or will do 1198145;1436675064;mircea_popescu;people who like games. 1198146;1436675071;ascii_modem;i like 1198147;1436675071;mircea_popescu;did. at the time. 1198148;1436675078;ascii_modem;dos!! 1198149;1436675088;mircea_popescu;2004 kinda late for dos. 1198150;1436675129;ascii_modem;i played 'edna' (1996!) just now. in czech. 1198151;1436675138;ascii_modem;dos. 1198152;1436675150;ascii_modem;mega-adventur 1198153;1436675152;mircea_popescu;i spent the decade playing homm2 and mm6/7. nevertheless... some people actually cared about everquest and wow and whatnot. 1198154;1436675164;ascii_modem;pff. 1198155;1436675188;mircea_popescu;look, you dun have to be a fan to admit it looked bleak in 2002. 1198156;1436675224;ascii_modem;aha. 1198157;1436675242;mircea_popescu;the only performance edge ms ever had in its entire history. ever. directx 6-7 1198158;1436675251;mircea_popescu;blessfully they choked on it. 1198159;1436675254;cazalla;my brother played a lot of homm2 (mind you, here is retarded so probably didn't play it well despite sinking so much time into it, never wanted to play it over LAN with me for some reason).. i prefrered EQ.. 1198160;1436675263;ascii_modem;in '95 too. for me, winblows was the beginning of the end, gamewise 1198161;1436675314;cazalla;i liked that ghetto version of homm2 which came on the cd, forget the name of it 1198162;1436675330;ascii_modem;the only edge microshit ever had anywhere was from collusion with hw vendors. 1198163;1436675338;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. 1198164;1436675344;ascii_modem;just as today. 1198165;1436675352;mircea_popescu;at the time, as a game maker, it was "directx or go home" 1198166;1436675358;mircea_popescu;today, i can make an opengl game and simply not care 1198167;1436675365;mircea_popescu;this is foundational. 1198168;1436675383;ben_vulpes;hate to interrupt, but ascii_modem did you ever post a hack for speedily dumping all blocks via a -dumpblock analog or am i misremembering? 1198169;1436675387;mircea_popescu;it allows minigame to exist, at any rate. 1198170;1436675397;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wasn't that speedy but yes he did. 1198171;1436675427;ben_vulpes;link plx? ascii_modem 1198172;1436675441;ascii_modem;i wanted to explain that i don't evaluate softs in comparison with microshit. just as i don't evaluate meal by comparing with a tall glass of liquishit. 1198173;1436675446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142437 @ 0.00053258 = 75.8591 BTC [+] {2} 1198174;1436675476;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes: no, but trivial. go, write 1198175;1436675492;*;ben_vulpes nods 1198176;1436675494;ascii_modem;or nm 1198177;1436675499;ascii_modem;i did 1198178;1436675500;ben_vulpes;? 1198179;1436675506;ben_vulpes;didja now? 1198180;1436675522;ascii_modem;in the ram plot article 1198181;1436675563;ascii_modem;though i may have neglected to attach it. check. 1198182;1436675595;ascii_modem;what didja have in mind ? 1198183;1436675596;ben_vulpes;all of your mails coming through in .txt makes finding your utterances annoying, because i don't index attachments 1198184;1436675617;ben_vulpes;it's fine tho i'll just buy a little more rsi :P 1198185;1436675619;ascii_modem;read www like everyone else? 1198186;1436675635;ben_vulpes;we broke email. notrly surprised. 1198187;1436675649;ascii_modem;i attach so jurov's script stops raping 1198188;1436675704;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << this one? 1198189;1436675705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqTrns ) 1198190;1436675717;ben_vulpes;surely not... 1198191;1436675725;ascii_modem;it 1198192;1436675784;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198091 <<< so many lulz! recall 'serpent' and the Official Truth re: its rejection? 1198193;1436675784;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 03:57:37; mircea_popescu: blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ? 1198194;1436675804;mircea_popescu;not right off. 1198195;1436675829;ascii_modem;worth a read 1198196;1436675848;ascii_modem;it was spiffier in just about every known way 1198197;1436675865;ascii_modem;iirc 1198198;1436675897;mircea_popescu;where was this discussed ? 1198199;1436675907;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198074 << holyfuk wat is this. 1198200;1436675907;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 03:48:32; gabriel_laddel: I need interns 1198201;1436675979;ascii_modem;serpent? in crc crypto encyclopaedia, and had citations. but largely, wank on sci.crypt 1198202;1436676143;ben_vulpes;ascii_modem: forgive the idiocy, i don't see any scriptage around the `dumpblock'ing 1198203;1436676184;ben_vulpes;just curious to know if you had done something clever to dump the blocks. 1198204;1436676357;ascii_modem;ben_vulpes: it was a 4line bash 1198205;1436676368;ascii_modem;deadly boring 1198206;1436676372;phf;ben_vulpes: i started writing a patch that would let dumpblock accept cut's number range syntax, i.e. 1,7-100,200- but didn't think anyone would need it. i can pick it up again in a day or two, though i suspect you need it now? 1198207;1436676397;ascii_modem;waiwut 1198208;1436676403;ascii_modem;my cut? 1198209;1436676411;ascii_modem;had no such thing 1198210;1436676427;phf;ascii_modem: cut as in unix utility 1198211;1436676428;ben_vulpes;cutblock wasn't you? 1198212;1436676443;ascii_modem;cutblock was mine 1198213;1436676444;ben_vulpes;o nm 1198214;1436676451;ben_vulpes;phf: nifty 1198215;1436676459;ascii_modem;but no built-in knobs 1198216;1436676473;ascii_modem;unixphilosophy! 1198217;1436676499;ben_vulpes;mhm 1198218;1436676503;ascii_modem;feed output to your favourite whatevers. 1198219;1436676541;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai Look what I found https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server/commit/a431496a0a22838e7767db4a71d556ad67b92655 1198220;1436676543;assbot;remove unneeded patch · spesmilo/electrum-server@a431496 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9hnjm ) 1198221;1436676543;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1198222;1436676605;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 << lol, see mp's 'psychology of bag...' 1198223;1436676605;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ? 1198224;1436676647;decimation;unixphilosophy > "modular is better, can process any text stream" <> "modular is always worse than 'done at bedrock'" 1198225;1436676674;ascii_modem;can anyone tell me what the point of litecoin is after scryptasic finally happened ?? 1198226;1436676699;decimation;it's an altcoin amoung altcoins 1198227;1436676743;ascii_modem;decimation: there is no reason to reimplement bash loop, etc in something like blkcut 1198228;1436676749;ascii_modem;its retarded 1198229;1436676766;decimation;agreed, I was just making point about 'unixphilosophy' 1198230;1436676769;ascii_modem;that is what 'unixphilosophy' meant to mean 1198231;1436676798;decimation;!up ascii_modem 1198232;1436676867;phf;ascii_modem: that's what kept me from continuing to work on that patch, but i still ended up hacking the code for bulk export, since O(n^3) 1198233;1436676879;decimation;what would it look like to have 'modular bedrock'? feed output of 'cut' circuit to 'sort' circuit? 1198234;1436676910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119850 @ 0.00053857 = 64.5476 BTC [+] 1198235;1436676932;ascii_modem;basic idea similar 1198236;1436676971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.0005377 = 16.4536 BTC [-] 1198237;1436677008;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem same as bitcoin, really. it's there. 1198238;1436677074;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198070 << this goes far, far deeper. from my own explorations: 1) there is NO rationale public for just about any aspect of blockcipher -ANY of them - design; 1198239;1436677074;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 03:47:21; mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink. 1198240;1436677093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12556 @ 0.0005377 = 6.7514 BTC [-] 1198241;1436677120;ascii_modem;2) just about 'anyone who's anyone' in that entire subdiscipline is a usg career 1198242;1436677133;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1198243;1436677155;mircea_popescu;that's a major point incidentally. we'll have to make our own crypto oscars, this usg situation is untenable 1198244;1436677160;mircea_popescu;definitely higher concern than the ntp 1198245;1436677167;ascii_modem;try example 1198246;1436677179;ascii_modem;why feistel networks!!???? 1198247;1436677199;ascii_modem;no reason. 'because', 'shuddup' 1198248;1436677224;ascii_modem;fuck'em with a horse. 1198249;1436677426;mircea_popescu;they gotta pick something neh ? 1198250;1436677449;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198128 << is this even a thing ~other than~ for the ones perma-wedged at mental age 12 ?? 1198251;1436677449;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 04:17:05; mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis. 1198252;1436677468;mircea_popescu;yes. 1198253;1436677478;mircea_popescu;i bet you your gf hates her thighs. 1198254;1436677498;ascii_modem;not detectably 1198255;1436677528;ascii_modem;hence observation above 1198256;1436677528;decimation;http://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/3ce0s8/dear_amazon_interns_some_advice_from_an_old_man/ < lulzy massive thread where purported employees of amazon (and 'the big 4') complain about how they are assraped by amazon/google/ms etc 1198257;1436677531;assbot;Dear Amazon interns, some advice from an old man who has been at Amazon way too long. : Seattle ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7fLgt ) 1198258;1436677580;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198199 << Would an intern be more useful working for you or some node.js type? 1198259;1436677580;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 04:38:27; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198074 << holyfuk wat is this. 1198260;1436677582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115009 @ 0.0005377 = 61.8403 BTC [-] 1198261;1436677626;mircea_popescu;"Now, the average employee stays at Amazon for LESS than two years, so when you do the math to compare offers from various companies go ahead and factor that in. The entire system is designed to bring you in, burn you out, and send you on your way with as little equity lost as possible." 1198262;1436677627;mircea_popescu;heh. 1198263;1436677633;mircea_popescu;as opposed to what. google ? 1198264;1436677649;ascii_modem;lol re the 'bonus' 1198265;1436677661;ascii_modem;thats gotta be a new low 1198266;1436677678;*;ben_vulpes avoids 1198267;1436677693;ben_vulpes;had enough of that flavor of chumpatronics, tyvm. 1198268;1436677696;decimation;next it'll be 'we charge you for the electricity you used while here' 1198269;1436677701;ascii_modem;why would anyone not mail it back immediately ? 1198270;1436677741;decimation;It's a real problem for young people in the us though 1198271;1436677757;ascii_modem;what is 1198272;1436677761;decimation;where is a bright young engineer going to work? 1198273;1436677765;ascii_modem;gullibility? 1198274;1436677766;decimation;usg or 'big 4' 1198275;1436677779;ascii_modem;its all usg 1198276;1436677785;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem it is new if you're from 2005. 1198277;1436677789;decimation;or academitarditron 1198278;1436677799;ascii_modem;hotdog stand in podunk? usg, yes 1198279;1436677810;decimation;farm? also usg 1198280;1436677868;ascii_modem;both the money and the meat - countereconomic voodoo creations of usg 1198281;1436677876;ascii_modem;in this example 1198282;1436677939;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: new to me 1198283;1436677956;ascii_modem;but i'm not a pro entomologist 1198284;1436677957;mircea_popescu;i am not aware of ANY stock option deal that is not a scam outside of mpex to date. 1198285;1436677962;mircea_popescu;i mean that stringently and quite literally. 1198286;1436677971;decimation;yeah, it's just depressing. I would note that the above 'big 4' are exactly what everyone in the us is banking on to save the entire system 1198287;1436678031;ascii_modem;aha, the normal deal is straight classical 'jam tomorrow' 1198288;1436678180;punkman;decimation: will be fun when they have to bailout google 1198289;1436678211;ascii_modem;will be with usg ads! 1198290;1436678224;ascii_modem;naturally 1198291;1436678239;decimation;I suspect google already has some kind of sweetheart regulation somewhere 1198292;1436678243;decimation;that could be counted as an asset 1198293;1436678247;punkman;they all have 1198294;1436678284;ascii_modem;#1 voluntary nsa dossier toilet 1198295;1436678298;decimation;still, countereconomic as it might be, there's an opportunity here 1198296;1436678304;mircea_popescu;decimation they didn't end up paying ten billion over the rico conspiracy thing they had with the wage fixing did they ? 1198297;1436678310;ascii_modem;it is holy to the lizard throne. 1198298;1436678310;decimation;surely at least some of the meat doesn't want to enter the chumpatron 1198299;1436678311;mircea_popescu;that's only for when italian dudes run their own independent govt. 1198300;1436678330;decimation;heh you mean the wage fixing 1198301;1436678335;mircea_popescu;brave sir robert got some bank to pay for "helpying money laundering", right ? 1198302;1436678342;mircea_popescu;price fixing is not in this bucket tho. 1198303;1436678346;decimation;didn't the judge throw it out because it was rediculously low 1198304;1436678360;decimation;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/03/end_to_google_apple_et_al_wagefixing_lawsuit_in_sight/ < lol 1198305;1436678361;assbot;End in sight for Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe wage-fixing lawsuit • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7gXQV ) 1198306;1436678375;decimation;judge threw it out at $325 mil, they upped it to $450 mil 1198307;1436678387;ascii_modem;if they dont fx prices - to borrow bushism - 'that sucker will go down' 1198308;1436678387;scoopbot_revived;Ultima Online http://trilema.com/2015/ultima-online/ 1198309;1436678389;decimation;er $415 1198310;1436678394;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how it can cost them less than 10-20 billion 1198311;1436678440;mircea_popescu;i mean gimme a break, even junk like sr was supposedly doing more damage than this. 1198312;1436678448;mircea_popescu;what, google is now less of a thing than silk road ? 1198313;1436678460;decimation;lol because the suing class consists entirely of people who willingly entered the aforementioned chumpatron 1198314;1436678527;mircea_popescu;"willingly". 1198315;1436678550;mircea_popescu;you know what, women willingly entered the workforce, what the fuck is with these "civil rights" lawsuits. 1198316;1436678559;mircea_popescu;and iirc the woman with mcdonalds willingly bought coffee. 1198317;1436678596;decimation;about 80% of usg depends on these kinds of 'willingly' gotchas 1198318;1436678601;decimation;YOU AGREED 1198319;1436678627;decimation;!up ascii_modem 1198320;1436678635;ascii_modem;nah they 'willed' to enjoy warm fuzzies not the butugchag of reality 1198321;1436678644;decimation;heh 1198322;1436678678;ascii_modem;'will' means something very peculiar to a muppet 1198323;1436678706;ascii_modem;i'm not quite enough entomolgist to say precisely what. 1198324;1436678711;decimation;;;calc 415000000/65000 1198325;1436678712;gribble;6384.61538462 1198326;1436678727;decimation;^ split when given to the 65k employees 1198327;1436678734;decimation;not counting the half for lawyers and admin 1198328;1436678735;mircea_popescu;i guess as the flesh sears under the hot tongs, "high ranking" usg employees will scream how people "willingly paid taxes" 1198329;1436678740;ascii_modem;~0 1198330;1436678767;decimation;and voting too! 1198331;1436678767;mircea_popescu;decimation from any settlement under 2-3 bn, the actuasl employees get zilch. 1198332;1436678789;ascii_modem;lol sop 1198333;1436678792;decimation;this goes to ascii's (orlovs?) deer who kneels down in front of the hunter 1198334;1436678876;ascii_modem;fact, they ~must~ fix wages, or die 1198335;1436678907;ascii_modem;only brake on the realestate blackhole. 1198336;1436678913;decimation;yeah if they doubled 'slave wage' in sillycon valley it would only double housing expenses 1198337;1436678927;ascii_modem;triple 1198338;1436678977;decimation;and then interns would be happy to live 10 per apartment mexican-style for the very small chance that they can get some google equity 1198339;1436678992;ascii_modem;as now 1198340;1436679007;mircea_popescu;well, let thjem come out and say that then 1198341;1436679050;ascii_modem;'spartan speaks with sword' 1198342;1436679054;decimation;this is obviously countereconomic, what puzzles me is why hasn't someone exploited the opportunity? 1198343;1436679066;ascii_modem;what opportunity 1198344;1436679089;decimation;hire non-idiots who don't want to enter the chumpatron somewhere where feeding real estate isn't the entire economy 1198345;1436679126;ascii_modem;where? doing what? paid with what? lol 1198346;1436679143;mircea_popescu;da fuck is b,tmsr~ doing ? 1198347;1436679149;ascii_modem;and realestate harvester kept out how? 1198348;1436679162;mircea_popescu;by refusing geography. 1198349;1436679170;mircea_popescu;and ESPECIALLY centralization by geography 1198350;1436679179;mircea_popescu;"oh guise let's make a country" "stfu" 1198351;1436679185;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: it hired somebody ???!? 1198352;1436679189;mircea_popescu;nope. 1198353;1436679197;mircea_popescu;but it IS exploiting the opportunity. 1198354;1436679221;ascii_modem;i dun see it 1198355;1436679238;gabriel_laddel;decimation: what happened to that "new country on unclaimed land" 1198356;1436679246;gabriel_laddel;? 1198357;1436679252;decimation;eh? 1198358;1436679279;ascii_modem;gabriel_laddel: usg claims earth and all of known unviverse 1198359;1436679288;gabriel_laddel;^ 1198360;1436679292;gabriel_laddel;this is what I'm pointing out 1198361;1436679294;ascii_modem;fuck i hate this machne 1198362;1436679302;ascii_modem;tardablet 1198363;1436679305;decimation;hehe 1198364;1436679316;decimation;touchscreen keyboard? 1198365;1436679324;ascii_modem;a 1198366;1436679336;mircea_popescu;no fucking way ? you actually inputting text on a tablet ?! 1198367;1436679345;ascii_modem;trying to 1198368;1436679355;mircea_popescu;you know this is like asking god for MS 1198369;1436679360;mircea_popescu;(multiple sclerosis) 1198370;1436679373;ascii_modem;why not plague 1198371;1436679410;mircea_popescu;because this is what stephen king got : a tablet. 1198372;1436679417;mircea_popescu;uh. nm, the other one. 1198373;1436679419;mircea_popescu;haw-king. 1198374;1436679445;ascii_modem;i thought he had arsejoystick 1198375;1436679446;decimation;poor ascii still yearns for his bed computer 1198376;1436679463;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198008 << anything good ? 1198377;1436679463;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 02:30:55; gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow." 1198378;1436679490;ascii_modem;i just need to memorize morse for 'shoot me now plz' 1198379;1436679501;mircea_popescu;i wonder if google telepathy keyboard will work intermediately. secretary on her back with the things attacked, you stick your cock into her and write your next article. 1198380;1436679525;mircea_popescu;mental moan dictation. 1198381;1436679533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17570 @ 0.0005377 = 9.4474 BTC [-] 1198382;1436679554;ascii_modem;for mircea_popescu - dictation 1198383;1436679571;ascii_modem;for us - 'last bullet plz' 1198384;1436679639;ascii_modem;wonder if anyone sells morse-bluetooth-kbd 1198385;1436679687;*;decimation would buy one 1198386;1436679730;mircea_popescu;punkman http://trilema.com/2012/filozoful-blogomirea-editie-revazuta-adaugita-si-completata/#selection-27.36-27.45 << inkwell. 1198387;1436679731;assbot;Filozoful Blogomirea, editie revazuta, adaugita si completata. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7iYN6 ) 1198388;1436679735;mircea_popescu;perhaps my best poem. 1198389;1436679781;decimation;heh apparently usg paid its think tank to identify the top open source projects that 'need security investments' https://github.com/linuxfoundation/cii-census/blob/master/results.csv 1198390;1436679783;assbot;cii-census/results.csv at master · linuxfoundation/cii-census · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7j3QI ) 1198391;1436679796;ascii_modem;l0l!! 1198392;1436679804;decimation;top of the list: ftp, netcat, tcpd, whois, at 1198393;1436679824;*;decimation expects nothing to come of this 1198394;1436679880;punkman;decimation: so that's... everything? 1198395;1436679909;decimation;yeah, pretty much - which is the honest answer 1198396;1436679930;gabriel_laddel;"security investments" 1198397;1436679941;gabriel_laddel;!s embrace and extinguish 1198398;1436680002;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=embrace+and+extinguish 1198399;1436680002;decimation;The Linux Foundation (LF) Core Infrastructure Initiative (CII) is trying to identify OSS projects that need special focus/help for security so that it can best identify OSS projects needing investment. 1198400;1436680002;decimation;"Similarly, the Department of Homeland Security Homeland Open Security Technology (DHS HOST) program’s goal is to “help facilitate the continued adoption of open technology solutions (including OSS)...to improve system security....” They have asked the Institute for Defense Analyses to identify and collect metrics to help identify OSS projects that may especially need investment for security." 1198401;1436680016;mircea_popescu;dhs host ahaha 1198402;1436680023;mircea_popescu;somebody likes sigourney weaver 1198403;1436680056;ascii_modem;meta. collector for candidates for gavinization academy. 1198404;1436680113;ascii_modem;'you wanna eat off project? we knew! great, innit? just one little thing we want in return...' 1198405;1436680113;decimation;ascii_modem: that's giving too much credit 1198406;1436680115;punkman;they must be pleased with systemd results 1198407;1436680135;decimation;usg's classic move is to pay $mil to contractor to tell it how it sucks, and then do nothing with the results 1198408;1436680180;ascii_modem;nah thats favouriteson sop 1198409;1436680189;ascii_modem;this - different 1198410;1436680245;ascii_modem;this - probably our best picture of operation of the gavinfactories. 1198411;1436680273;ascii_modem;they gotta come from somewhere. 1198412;1436680295;ascii_modem;'i wanna eat' 1198413;1436680299;decimation;I would note that it seems this is in coordiation with the "linux foundation" 1198414;1436680309;decimation;so it would indirectly funded by usg at best 1198415;1436680318;ascii_modem;'hereyago' 1198416;1436680321;mircea_popescu; they must be pleased with systemd results << they are. and mostly on the grounds that they're measuring badly. 1198417;1436680323;decimation;but by their favorite sons, sure 1198418;1436680327;mircea_popescu;systemd was an utter disaster for 'em. 1198419;1436680363;punkman;how's that? 1198420;1436680391;mircea_popescu;exactly how "war on terror" was a disaster for them. "oh we conquered iraq". "you won't be able to hold it" 1198421;1436680394;mircea_popescu;wrong metrics. 1198422;1436680407;decimation;"The “libapache2-mod-gnutls” package is especially concerning; this is a key glue mechanism between Apache and GnuTLS, but it seems to be minimally maintained. The others are libraries for processing various formats (images, compression, and XML) that are the basis for many other functions that do not seem to be well maintained. " 1198423;1436680436;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1198424;1436680454;ascii_modem;usg hasnt given a fuk re conquest in the normal sense of the word since war with spain. 1198425;1436680471;mircea_popescu;gnutls was marked for death along with everythning else i nthe pki scabies pile 1198426;1436680491;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem understand that it doesn't matter what the loser of a contest cares about. 1198427;1436680499;mircea_popescu;this is always the loser's excuse, of course. 1198428;1436680541;decimation;"we were intending to bring peace and freedom, not exploit the colony's resources" 1198429;1436680559;ascii_modem;where is the losing? plebes lost, sure (when did they not?) - lizards - won 1198430;1436680564;mircea_popescu;this exploiting that costs one more than his wife... 1198431;1436680581;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem only in your alt-world where meta-win is a win and meta-nsa a thing. 1198432;1436680606;ascii_modem;lockheed et all are drowning in win 1198433;1436680608;punkman;what would be not-meta win for systemd? 1198434;1436680662;mircea_popescu;punkman if nothing else, i have a very convenient rally point. 1198435;1436680677;mircea_popescu;this is not repaid by having five billion more schmucks use ubunwindows. 1198436;1436680679;ascii_modem;vaterland s33k000rity 'industry' is choking on money 1198437;1436680689;mircea_popescu;no, it's not. 1198438;1436680707;mircea_popescu;it's choking on money like gawker and reddit are. 1198439;1436680757;decimation;http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/426/086/e48.jpg 1198440;1436680758;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7kuP3 ) 1198441;1436680762;ascii_modem;entirely different hallucination, much stronger lsd in use 1198442;1436680795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122450 @ 0.00053857 = 65.9479 BTC [+] 1198443;1436680825;ascii_modem;i dont see the gawker similarity at all 1198444;1436680833;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1198445;1436680846;ascii_modem;aside from the overall scamitude 1198446;1436680875;mircea_popescu;not a debate that can be resolved at any rate. 1198447;1436680894;mircea_popescu;but, without committing to being in any sense persuaded, or anything, consider the following : 1198448;1436680905;mircea_popescu;by the time i can actually point to something, that side's lost. 1198449;1436680910;ascii_modem;lets say this. gawker pays for hippie house , 5 bois per room 1198450;1436680921;mircea_popescu;by the time we have "politically correct" as a concept, us liberalism is dead. 1198451;1436680925;ascii_modem;lockheed - 1 1198452;1436680931;mircea_popescu;by the time "systemd" is a word, usg-as-nsa is no longer. 1198453;1436680934;mircea_popescu;does this make any sense to you ? 1198454;1436680963;ascii_modem;only in wizard universe where names kill things 1198455;1436680972;mircea_popescu;it is not that the name killed things 1198456;1436680988;mircea_popescu;it is that by the time the mistakes got a name, the mistakes are by now too numerous to allow victory anymore. 1198457;1436681005;mircea_popescu;that's the problem here - to make a name you need a concept, and the concept's only circumscribed enough when there's enough errors on the table. 1198458;1436681013;mircea_popescu;and that enough is always > the enough for losing. 1198459;1436681017;ascii_modem;i get that the reich is not 1000year, aha 1198460;1436681038;mircea_popescu;well, i have not the instrumentation to make this point rigurouslyt 1198461;1436681043;ascii_modem;but i'm still crunchng. crunching under nazi boot 1198462;1436681045;mircea_popescu;we don't know each other long enough. but eventually. 1198463;1436681053;mircea_popescu;yeah, but you enjoy it. 1198464;1436681076;ascii_modem;no? 1198465;1436681104;mircea_popescu;the whores i've known in my lyf taught me to not take a man's own word on that score. 1198466;1436681136;ascii_modem;would really rather perelman. 1198467;1436681270;punkman;perelman but like gentleman? 1198468;1436681278;ascii_modem;aha! 1198469;1436681309;ascii_modem;taleb. 1198470;1436681314;ascii_modem;mthreat. 1198471;1436681318;ascii_modem;et al 1198472;1436681384;mircea_popescu;ha! i think he'll be flattered to hear that. 1198473;1436681396;ascii_modem;five walls and radioactive dragons guarding each, between one's arse & economic reality 1198474;1436681436;mircea_popescu;u kno there's no such thing rite 1198475;1436681457;ascii_modem;and wage labour being in same mental category as ebola 1198476;1436681478;ascii_modem;as in, yes, theoretically, could touch you... 1198477;1436681545;mircea_popescu;the dragons are made of economic reality :) 1198478;1436681580;mircea_popescu;said the daymio to the assassin : why would i want protection from contact with assassins ? you're giving exceptional blowjobs! 1198479;1436681585;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198474 << notice, i didnt say 'infinite'! said - 5! 1198480;1436681585;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 06:10:36; mircea_popescu: u kno there's no such thing rite 1198481;1436681596;ascii_modem;5 is doable! 1198482;1436681619;ascii_modem;plus they got doors. 1198483;1436681637;ascii_modem;but you walk out when ~you~ want 1198484;1436681660;ascii_modem;reality uninvited - can pound sand. 1198485;1436681677;mircea_popescu;this sounds like a great title for something. 1198486;1436681681;mircea_popescu;"Reality uninvited" 1198487;1436681704;ascii_modem;death? 1198488;1436681720;ascii_modem;see, a taleb only dies once 1198489;1436681730;ascii_modem;wage labourer? daily. 1198490;1436681804;ascii_modem;hell, hourly 1198491;1436681854;ascii_modem;every time i burn to work on one of 'tmsr' items but nope, because slave 1198492;1436681925;mircea_popescu;;;google "suferinta-i ziditoare" 1198493;1436681926;gribble;Geneza 4 Romanian: Cornilescu - Bible Hub: ; Un cub negru | Simple ganduri ale unei fiinte absurde.: ; George Mocanu | „Diseară vântul va lustrui stelele din nou…”: 1198494;1436681941;ascii_modem;?? 1198495;1436681963;mircea_popescu;how you say this in russian ? ziditor, literally, building, but it's only used in that form in a churchly context, "building into christ" 1198496;1436682056;ascii_modem;no exact transl 1198497;1436682064;mircea_popescu;ah must be 1198498;1436682074;mircea_popescu;im positive romanian sniped it off slavonic 1198499;1436682094;mircea_popescu;and speaking of dragons, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdcgj5SEd11r4y7oeo1_1280.jpg 1198500;1436682094;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7muXL ) 1198501;1436682096;ascii_modem;зодчий 1198502;1436682193;mircea_popescu;страдание поучительно. 1198503;1436682209;ascii_modem;anyway everything i spoke of zips up under 'sleep ad libitum' 1198504;1436682259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00054252 = 91.6859 BTC [+] {3} 1198505;1436682274;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1198506;1436682288;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: to a point. what does pirannha bath teach? 1198507;1436682303;mircea_popescu;how would i know that. 1198508;1436682306;ascii_modem;and, wanna learn? why not? 1198509;1436682382;mircea_popescu;don't you need to bleed first ? 1198510;1436682503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42128 @ 0.00054446 = 22.937 BTC [+] 1198511;1436682522;ascii_modem;papercut suffice 1198512;1436682554;mircea_popescu;but i don't have a papercut. 1198513;1436682558;ascii_modem;point was, the famous theorem, has a corollary: 1198514;1436682590;ascii_modem;'that which kills you, does not make you stronger.' 1198515;1436682686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58802 @ 0.00053536 = 31.4802 BTC [-] {2} 1198516;1436682701;mircea_popescu;worked for malcom x. 1198517;1436682726;mircea_popescu;but forget obscure commie activists. 1198518;1436682736;mircea_popescu;what's the name of that black schmuck ? i forget. 1198519;1436682736;ascii_modem;haven't seen him strengthng around lately 1198520;1436682748;mircea_popescu;the one that'd never have amounted to a hill of beans until some cop shot him ? 1198521;1436682798;ascii_modem;'martyrdom is singularly unprofitable for the martyr' (tm) (r) (uncle al) 1198522;1436682823;mircea_popescu;is it ? 1198523;1436682843;mircea_popescu;is perelmanism singularly unprofitable for the perelman ? 1198524;1436682863;ascii_modem;nah 1198525;1436682865;mircea_popescu;all this suicide "indicting" has a single source : "you owe us" 1198526;1436682893;ascii_modem;just that being a live hero beats the other kind 1198527;1436682911;mircea_popescu;objectively or iye ? 1198528;1436682939;ascii_modem;screw 'indicting', i'm just not quite ripe to be buried yet 1198529;1436683008;mircea_popescu;well... others are. 1198530;1436683060;ascii_modem;'... in the next attack, i promise to burn up!' (tm) (r) 1198531;1436683171;ascii_modem;( http://www.gr-oborona.ru/texts/1083496454.html ) 1198532;1436683172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7o8bZ ) 1198533;1436683251;mircea_popescu;"Tokyo police are investigating whether a man who cooked his own severed genitals and served them to five paying diners committed a crime, the force said Tuesday." 1198534;1436683287;ascii_modem;^ not first!! 1198535;1436683290;mircea_popescu;Diners each paid 20,000 yen ($250) for a portion. 1198536;1436683540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174200 @ 0.00053379 = 92.9862 BTC [-] {2} 1198537;1436683601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00054593 = 4.8042 BTC [+] 1198538;1436683884;mircea_popescu;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26452755/php-curl-with-nss-is-probably-using-sslv3-insted-of-tls-when-connecting-to-htt << random fun with nss. 1198539;1436683885;assbot;ssl - PHP Curl (with NSS) is probably using SSLv3 insted of TLS when connecting to https - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbPMQD ) 1198540;1436684028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00054593 = 9.9086 BTC [+] 1198541;1436685005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00053405 = 34.7133 BTC [-] {2} 1198542;1436687383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00054614 = 50.791 BTC [+] {2} 1198543;1436687626;scoopbot_revived;On Walmart. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/12/on-walmart/ 1198544;1436688542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103250 @ 0.00053358 = 55.0921 BTC [-] 1198545;1436689335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126450 @ 0.00053137 = 67.1917 BTC [-] {3} 1198546;1436689396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116417 @ 0.00053358 = 62.1178 BTC [+] 1198547;1436689701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213750 @ 0.00054545 = 116.5899 BTC [+] {4} 1198548;1436691361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58998 @ 0.00054716 = 32.2813 BTC [+] {2} 1198549;1436691422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58452 @ 0.00055169 = 32.2474 BTC [+] {3} 1198550;1436691544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00055312 = 74.1181 BTC [+] {4} 1198551;1436692459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88750 @ 0.0005542 = 49.1853 BTC [+] {3} 1198552;1436693314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151796 @ 0.00055435 = 84.1481 BTC [+] {2} 1198553;1436695265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152193 @ 0.00055436 = 84.3697 BTC [+] 1198554;1436695510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00055436 = 33.4833 BTC [+] 1198555;1436696119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230800 @ 0.00055218 = 127.4431 BTC [-] {3} 1198556;1436696607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159300 @ 0.00052834 = 84.1646 BTC [-] {2} 1198557;1436696668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97000 @ 0.00052427 = 50.8542 BTC [-] 1198558;1436696973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98850 @ 0.00051307 = 50.717 BTC [-] 1198559;1436697034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119761 @ 0.00051181 = 61.2949 BTC [-] {2} 1198560;1436697095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29639 @ 0.00051108 = 15.1479 BTC [-] 1198561;1436698498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139200 @ 0.00050944 = 70.914 BTC [-] {2} 1198562;1436698864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00051296 = 25.648 BTC [+] 1198563;1436700206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27731 @ 0.00051296 = 14.2249 BTC [+] 1198564;1436700639;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 < turns out you know the guy https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/619253918468444161 1198565;1436700639;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ? 1198566;1436701213;shinohai;yes erik voorhees wants artificiall price inflation on ltc and other shitty alts to keeps his shapeshift scam afloat 1198567;1436701243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145400 @ 0.00051442 = 74.7967 BTC [+] {4} 1198568;1436702707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176600 @ 0.00050804 = 89.7199 BTC [-] {2} 1198569;1436703134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89778 @ 0.00050391 = 45.24 BTC [-] {4} 1198570;1436703195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269920 @ 0.00050108 = 135.2515 BTC [-] {4} 1198571;1436703256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29602 @ 0.00049732 = 14.7217 BTC [-] {2} 1198572;1436703561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91260 @ 0.00052873 = 48.2519 BTC [+] {2} 1198573;1436706733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132600 @ 0.00052656 = 69.8219 BTC [-] {2} 1198574;1436706794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111500 @ 0.00049953 = 55.6976 BTC [-] 1198575;1436708807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45005 @ 0.00051582 = 23.2145 BTC [+] 1198576;1436711500;gernika;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198376 << No nothing good. It was a centralized blockchain with reversible transactions using a custom implementation of ECC. 1198577;1436711500;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 05:37:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198008 << anything good ? 1198578;1436711500;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1198579;1436711575;punkman;gernika: why even have a blockchain in that thing 1198580;1436711613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81806 @ 0.00051233 = 41.9117 BTC [-] 1198581;1436711622;gernika;punkman: So you can verify that lizardhitler approves your transaction? idk... 1198582;1436711735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.15849999 = 2.536 BTC [+] {4} 1198583;1436711982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104500 @ 0.00050798 = 53.0839 BTC [-] {2} 1198584;1436712040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133545 @ 0.00051996 = 69.4381 BTC [+] {2} 1198585;1436712101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7705 @ 0.0005274 = 4.0636 BTC [+] 1198586;1436712467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118881 @ 0.00052639 = 62.5778 BTC [-] {2} 1198587;1436713790;punkman;El Chapo "slipped out of the prison through a rectangular passage in the shower area of his cell that led to a nearly mile-long tunnel running underneath the prison" 1198588;1436713891;punkman;"Soldiers occupied Mexico City’s international airport, flights were temporarily suspended at the nearby Toluca airport, near where the prison is located, and roadblocks were set up at numerous spots" 1198589;1436714175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.0005292 = 43.9765 BTC [+] {4} 1198590;1436714187;punkman;...and derps at Brussels still can't make a decision, council meeting canceled. 1198591;1436714230;punkman;I couldn't find any mushrooms at the market yesterday! 1198592;1436714826;thestringpuller;qntra down? 1198593;1436715029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207700 @ 0.00051946 = 107.8918 BTC [-] {2} 1198594;1436715040;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 1198595;1436715044;gribble;qntra.net is down 1198596;1436715883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62555 @ 0.00053573 = 33.5126 BTC [+] {2} 1198597;1436718079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00051197 = 21.2468 BTC [-] 1198598;1436718445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.00052007 = 46.4943 BTC [+] {2} 1198599;1436718567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96254 @ 0.00053299 = 51.3024 BTC [+] {2} 1198600;1436718628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5166 @ 0.00053922 = 2.7856 BTC [+] 1198601;1436718750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00051197 = 24.7793 BTC [-] 1198602;1436719042;mircea_popescu;gernika jesus wtf is wrong with people. 1198603;1436719538;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1198604;1436719540;mircea_popescu;!up twixisowned 1198605;1436719804;mod6;!up ascii_modem 1198606;1436719810;ascii_modem;ty mod6 1198607;1436719814;mod6;np 1198608;1436719919;ascii_modem;mod6 et at: i've a hypothesis: if we had parallel sig verification, miners would have a strong game-theoretic immediate incentive to seek out & use therealbitcoin nodes 1198609;1436719948;ascii_modem;faster verif. >> less chance of orphanchaining 1198610;1436719983;mircea_popescu;im not sure how this works ? 1198611;1436720012;ascii_modem;have some icecream, think about this 1198612;1436720097;mircea_popescu;i'm a miner, i can think. i run my own nodes, i run my own pool, i couldn't care less about you. 1198613;1436720102;ascii_modem;the funny part is that only the coming of the mega-txspam could have brought this possibility about 1198614;1436720110;mircea_popescu;i'm a miner, i can't think. i run some random derp pool, i couldn't care less about you. 1198615;1436720111;mircea_popescu;which ? 1198616;1436720136;ascii_modem;own nodes aha. but gotta know you're on longest chain 1198617;1436720153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10857 @ 0.00050443 = 5.4766 BTC [-] {2} 1198618;1436720155;mircea_popescu;apparently you don't lol 1198619;1436720169;ascii_modem;hence tuned into blks coming out of other miners 1198620;1436720214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71343 @ 0.00050105 = 35.7464 BTC [-] 1198621;1436720314;ascii_modem;miner working on chain that's been orphaned is pissing in the wind 1198622;1436720326;mod6;ascii_modem: qq about stator build script: I was taking a closer look at this and it seems that your version removes 'no-shared' from the openssl configuration parameters and replaces it with 'threads'. Any main reason here? I thought we needed 'no-shared'? Just curious since your script seems to work well. 1198623;1436720340;ascii_modem;to know precisely when to stop, he listens to incoming blks 1198624;1436720389;ascii_modem;mod6: no idea, i didn't even remember what was in your original 1198625;1436720390;punkman;0.5.3 getwork is not compatible with anything they use 1198626;1436720405;ascii_modem;punkman: ? 1198627;1436720523;punkman;will be hard to use 0.5.3 for mining at this point 1198628;1436720533;ascii_modem;why? 1198629;1436720584;punkman;because we don't have getblocktemplate 1198630;1436720598;ascii_modem;so? 1198631;1436720618;ascii_modem;workfnction has not changed! 1198632;1436720619;mircea_popescu;so, again : if they can think they don't need you. if they can't think, they wouldn't even know you exist. 1198633;1436720636;mircea_popescu;game theopretically, bitcoind is irrelevant for mining. 1198634;1436720651;mircea_popescu;but do not despair : the same situation was in place back when the power rangers maintained it. 1198635;1436720669;ascii_modem;so the few miners who use parallel ver ~waste fewer cycles on orphan chain~ and wipe the floor with the rest 1198636;1436720702;mircea_popescu;are you like deliberately not reading ? 1198637;1436720728;ascii_modem;expand the 'cant think' 1198638;1436720743;mircea_popescu;you know, spend three hours mining a spv verified chain because they just don't give a fuck. 1198639;1436720752;mircea_popescu;dumb enough to point THEIR hash at antminer or w/e 1198640;1436720769;ascii_modem;and now the 'can think' 1198641;1436720781;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) 1198642;1436720783;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e ) 1198643;1436720783;mircea_popescu;wrote own software, been doing parallel sigcheck since 2013. 1198644;1436720791;punkman;schmuckley! 1198645;1436720796;mod6;hah Joe Schmuckley 1198646;1436720798;mircea_popescu;ahaha great name 1198647;1436720817;ascii_modem;do we have any detectable sign of 'can think' existing in the wild ? 1198648;1436720823;punkman;yes 1198649;1436720832;mircea_popescu;depends what we means. 1198650;1436720897;ascii_modem;and i'll point out that if these people aren't talking ~directly~ to each other, they would still be verifying at speed of slowest link 1198651;1436720908;mircea_popescu;why wouldn't they be talking directly. 1198652;1436720918;mircea_popescu;even the schmucks figured that one out apparently. 1198653;1436720922;ascii_modem;'we' being something i could read 1198654;1436720951;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem yeah, it's on the shelf right next to the secret cypher suites, have at. 1198655;1436720962;ascii_modem;l0lz 1198656;1436721007;mircea_popescu;understand : unlike most usecases for software, bitcoin mining presents exactly zero incentive to share code. 1198657;1436721012;ascii_modem;aha 1198658;1436721013;mircea_popescu;you DO NOT benefit from more people using your software. 1198659;1436721040;mircea_popescu;this isn't wordpress, or red hat, where you hope to make money downstream out of basically, advertising. 1198660;1436721054;mircea_popescu;there's a revenue model in place, and traditional software paradigms plainly do not matter. 1198661;1436721056;ascii_modem;aha it's nuke war 1198662;1436721126;ascii_modem;i would personally be surprised to learn that anyone bothered to implement multicpu ver prior to 950+kb blocks 1198663;1436721143;mircea_popescu;what the current outsider schmucks (on #bitcoin-dev and etc) hope to achieve with their time is, release enough code that nobody* uses to give the impression they know their shit, so they can one day maybe join the actual miners as a junior analyst, and until then survive on conference rubber chicken. 1198664;1436721147;ascii_modem;but sure, why not 1198665;1436721153;mircea_popescu;it's a shitty game plan, but then again there's women aspiring to be singers, so. 1198666;1436721173;mircea_popescu;iirc the first > 500kb block was a year ago 1198667;1436721183;ascii_modem;sure 1198668;1436721197;ascii_modem;but it being sop - pretty new? 1198669;1436721207;ascii_modem;needs spam 1198670;1436721208;mircea_popescu;sop is meaningless for the aforementioned reasons 1198671;1436721225;mircea_popescu;this isn't a field where such a thing as sop may be a defined symbol. 1198672;1436721246;ascii_modem;just that without heavy blocks, multicpu makes no appreciable difference 1198673;1436721264;mircea_popescu;on olne hand, you'd be surprised what is appreciable for mining 1198674;1436721269;mircea_popescu;a quarter second is actually money 1198675;1436721278;ascii_modem;then yes 1198676;1436721280;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, some people do code defensively. rare but exists 1198677;1436721334;ascii_modem;if mircea_popescu tells us that this exists alive somewhere, i'm inclined to at least consider it 1198678;1436721337;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198564 << turns out. 1198679;1436721337;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 11:30:39; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198038 < turns out you know the guy https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/619253918468444161 1198680;1436721390;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem the gist of what i'm saying is that while foundation publishing the best code possible is a very useful and very worthy thing, you do not have game theoretic reasons to expect the things you were claiming to ewxpect 1198681;1436721398;mircea_popescu;chiefly because that game doesn't exist, in a number of wayus. 1198682;1436721412;ascii_modem;but will point out that we could easily have uptake among the not-quite-13373st but not the most ludicrously idiotic minerz 1198683;1436721431;ascii_modem;with a public multicpu apparatus 1198684;1436721437;mircea_popescu;this middle may perhaps exist, sure. sadly it's hard to observe 1198685;1436721443;mircea_popescu;which is a very concerning thing, as it happens 1198686;1436721459;ascii_modem;this'd be a spiffy litmus for it 1198687;1436721466;ascii_modem;exists or not?! 1198688;1436721495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144076 @ 0.00050498 = 72.7555 BTC [+] 1198689;1436721496;mircea_popescu;the broader problem is that the way mining works is very much discouraging middle, which is a serious problem, as death of the middle class always precedes centralization. 1198690;1436721497;ascii_modem;would soon learn 1198691;1436721517;mircea_popescu;the way this works is : if you're any good as a miner, you're going to have your own infrastructure. you might keep the pool closed, 1198692;1436721524;mircea_popescu;but it also costs you nothing to keep it open 1198693;1436721540;mircea_popescu;and so, once it's open, people that aren't every bit as good as you no longer have any incentive to continue 1198694;1436721544;mircea_popescu;instead, they point at you. 1198695;1436721553;mircea_popescu;this is how the current "45% of network is dumb as rocks" thing has appeared 1198696;1436721567;mircea_popescu;it was slowly nursed over half a decade by the above unfortunate centralizing force. 1198697;1436721596;mircea_popescu;not that this problem wasn't broadly predicted and discussed 2010-2011. the solution, predictably, from white young adult us schmucks, was "honor!1!" 1198698;1436721600;mircea_popescu;it failed, predictably. 1198699;1436721621;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem 1198700;1436721742;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: so you see a way to reinvigorate the middle ? 1198701;1436721749;mircea_popescu;no. 1198702;1436721765;ascii_modem;i've been thinking of the mechanics of miner war 1198703;1436721800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42824 @ 0.00050498 = 21.6253 BTC [+] 1198704;1436721837;ascii_modem;none of it points anywhere but moar centralized mines 1198705;1436721853;pete_dushenski;next to hydroelectric dams 1198706;1436721862;mircea_popescu;there fundamentally can not be a way to organize mining that's not centralizing, BECAUSE mining is going to have to follow the same rules, as that's what it does for bitcoin : checks them. 1198707;1436721866;ascii_modem;mno 1198708;1436721873;ascii_modem;plastique is cheap 1198709;1436721883;ascii_modem;dams - fragile 1198710;1436721919;pete_dushenski;ascii_modem: 'plastique' makes me think of explosives, but that can't be what you mean ? 1198711;1436721929;ascii_modem;what else 1198712;1436721946;ascii_modem;what, you think they won't ? 1198713;1436721948;pete_dushenski;aha got it now. 1198714;1436721949;mircea_popescu;it may very well turn out that bitcoin is a case of wishful thinking, entirely being powered by the illusion that we've managed to "get free energy" for as long as this illusion that "miners can be centrally verifying in a decentralizewd manner" lasts. 1198715;1436721981;mircea_popescu;just like, you know, "coal burns in the furnace, yet coal in the mine will never run out" or whatever 1198716;1436722015;ascii_modem;slavecoin then. 1198717;1436722020;mircea_popescu;goes right into the discussion re monetary incentives a week or two ago. 1198718;1436722027;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem again with the "Honor!!11" ? 1198719;1436722030;mircea_popescu;what is with you people! 1198720;1436722043;ascii_modem;honor? 1198721;1436722049;mircea_popescu;yes. what else is slave coin ? 1198722;1436722064;ascii_modem;just a different workfunct 1198723;1436722069;mircea_popescu;slavecoin is honorcoin, 1198724;1436722072;mircea_popescu;no two ways about it 1198725;1436722081;ascii_modem;i dun see it 1198726;1436722093;mircea_popescu;why are the slaves mining ? 1198727;1436722118;ascii_modem;because fed to ants if they slack? 1198728;1436722124;mircea_popescu;so honor. 1198729;1436722148;pete_dushenski;survival = honour ? 1198730;1436722156;ascii_modem;can automate the punishment a la cokemachine 1198731;1436722164;pete_dushenski;what is this, greece ? 1198732;1436722166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157529 @ 0.00051909 = 81.7717 BTC [+] {3} 1198733;1436722174;mircea_popescu;even if you do. the ants are adversity. what's the definition of honorable if not "perseverent in the face of adversity" ? 1198734;1436722175;punkman;!s slavecoin 1198735;1436722235;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=slavecoin 1198736;1436722235;mircea_popescu;and since an image's worth a thousand moans, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_1280.png 1198737;1436722237;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrMqTg ) 1198738;1436722244;ascii_modem;is mircea_popescu posting from some planet inhabited by beings who die rather than slaving, en.masse? 1198739;1436722258;ascii_modem;can't say i ever visited there 1198740;1436722272;mircea_popescu;why do you think this matters ? 1198741;1436722314;mircea_popescu;objectively, what difference can you see between the slave that mines slavecoin because otherwise the ants and the holy paladin that doesn't ravish the maid because... "he couldn't live with himself" otherwise ? 1198742;1436722319;mircea_popescu;no difference. it's all "for honor". 1198743;1436722346;mircea_popescu;they learned it the same way, too : by having it beaten into them as children. 1198744;1436722371;ascii_modem;well as i understood, you contend that the ant death is 'promise, not protocol'. when i suggest that it can be protocol, answered 'they will take the ants' - no ? 1198745;1436722378;mircea_popescu;no. 1198746;1436722410;mircea_popescu;i answered that in not taking the ants, they're doing exactly what people proposed miners do in 2010 : "well it's centralizing but they should honorably resist" 1198747;1436722414;mircea_popescu;sure. they'll honorably resist 1198748;1436722417;mircea_popescu;until the body gives way. 1198749;1436722425;mircea_popescu;which is an economic process. 1198750;1436722463;mircea_popescu;i suppose i'm not putting enough explicit into this which i know from experience but perhaps alone. there is this thing that happens to a slave, when she's naked 1198751;1436722464;ascii_modem;i'm posting from planet where maxint folks lived and died slaving with considerably less pushing than 'or ants!' 1198752;1436722474;mircea_popescu;and i mean, mentally naked, not without clothes, but without any ideology 1198753;1436722479;mircea_popescu;she can still fail. 1198754;1436722512;mircea_popescu;not because lazy, not because princess in her own head, but simply because there's an end to things. at which point she gets the ants. 1198755;1436722531;ascii_modem;ah - that! 1198756;1436722533;mircea_popescu;but up until that point... the whole charade had been powered by her trying to deny this. which is substantially what honor is. 1198757;1436722554;ascii_modem;so next one picks up the hashng 1198758;1436722564;ascii_modem;when n-1th is antfood 1198759;1436722584;mircea_popescu;turning a broken system into an extensive broken system does not fix the system. 1198760;1436722588;mircea_popescu;what are you, stalin ? 1198761;1436722600;mircea_popescu;"i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ? 1198762;1436722610;ascii_modem;he did though 1198763;1436722619;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1198764;1436722624;mircea_popescu;even hruschev laughed at him. 1198765;1436722630;mircea_popescu;imagine that. hruschev! O! 1198766;1436722652;ascii_modem;except that two continents still largely run on what he built 'at a loss' 1198767;1436722658;mircea_popescu;so ? 1198768;1436722686;mircea_popescu;"oh, this shit's pretty stupid" "dude, ITS HUGE!!" 1198769;1436722689;mircea_popescu;what are you, from redmond ? 1198770;1436722696;ascii_modem;h's laughter was the laugh of hyena eating the dead lion 1198771;1436722702;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1198772;1436722714;mircea_popescu;imo that'd be more like beria, but anyway 1198773;1436722726;ascii_modem;the lot of'em 1198774;1436722735;mircea_popescu;like... you ? 1198775;1436722748;mircea_popescu;or just them, the lot of them, up to an unspecified and unspecifiable border 1198776;1436722770;ascii_modem;i'm a flea on a rat who ate hyena who.... 1198777;1436722793;ascii_modem;how else. 1198778;1436722795;pete_dushenski;....father bought for two tzutzim 1198779;1436722804;ascii_modem;^ 1198780;1436722807;mircea_popescu;lol 1198781;1436722819;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i dun feel cosubstantial with the idiots of the past. 1198782;1436722825;mircea_popescu;maybe another case of wishful thinking. 1198783;1436722838;ascii_modem;i wish i did not 1198784;1436722850;ascii_modem;but reality gets in the way 1198785;1436722865;mircea_popescu;(this term, which probably does not exist in english, should probably be very much akin the xtian practice of eating crackers) 1198786;1436722888;ascii_modem;i've never lived in anything but the ribcages of long-dead dragons. 1198787;1436722913;*;pete_dushenski idem 1198788;1436722966;mircea_popescu;this is fascinating. perhaps the only advantage of being romanian, but also perhaps the only advantage that could truly be called an advantage 1198789;1436722986;mircea_popescu;you get to be the first dragon, for lack of notable historical anything. 1198790;1436723039;pete_dushenski;but what of 'transylvania mops the floor with rest of country' ? 1198791;1436723046;pete_dushenski;what is that if not history ? 1198792;1436723086;mircea_popescu;so the anteaters won the battle with the lemurs ? 1198793;1436723096;mircea_popescu;yay. you kidding me, these shits stand two feet tall 1198794;1436723177;pete_dushenski;mebbe. 1198795;1436723202;mircea_popescu;there were like.... maaaybe two notable romanians. one was german 1198796;1436723204;mircea_popescu;the other was greek. 1198797;1436723208;pete_dushenski;but that shit was still the mold for the dragon. 1198798;1436723225;pete_dushenski;or at least his fertilizer 1198799;1436723242;mircea_popescu;color me skeptical. 1198800;1436723257;pete_dushenski;so you're to be the first notable romanian in history then ? 1198801;1436723265;pete_dushenski;'romanian' romanina 1198802;1436723285;pete_dushenski;*romanian 1198803;1436723294;mircea_popescu;i dunno that i'm all that romanian, tbh. 1198804;1436723327;ascii_modem;l0l 1198805;1436723338;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: than how do you have 'advantage' ? 1198806;1436723342;ascii_modem;where then 1198807;1436723353;mircea_popescu;how did that quote go, "In confronting that which they feared, he had become something else in their eyes...and no longer their champion." 1198808;1436723382;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski there's an equivocation at work tho. 1198809;1436723465;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_modem 1198810;1436723508;ascii_modem;what next, vlad t. also not romanian !? 1198811;1436723538;pete_dushenski;thus is the fluidity of nationality as a concept 1198812;1436723553;pete_dushenski;it's there when you need it and tucked away when you don't 1198813;1436723561;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem pretty certain he was a basarabi 1198814;1436723573;mircea_popescu;which is an ancient pecenegian clan. about as romanian as it gets. 1198815;1436723585;ascii_modem;aha 1198816;1436723686;mircea_popescu;(pecenegs are a turkic people, migrated in the 500s) 1198817;1436723739;mircea_popescu;anyway, what i meant was merely that i don't generally seem very romanian to romanians themselves 1198818;1436723759;mircea_popescu;chiefly on the grounds of not subscribing to various idiocies that there as anywhere constitute the spirit of propriety. 1198819;1436723812;pete_dushenski;that adverse response by 'the locals' is almost the entrance exam for la serenissima 1198820;1436723816;mircea_popescu;best anecdote to illustrate this being, of course, that i had a (us born) woman over, many years ago, and she made some local friends (clueless kids all excioted about this english speaking american woman that knows computers and with nary an idea about the world around them) 1198821;1436723821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00050932 = 13.5734 BTC [-] 1198822;1436723833;mircea_popescu;so then when i wanted to meet them she arranged a meeting and they were liek "oh, he's definitely not romanian" 1198823;1436723833;pete_dushenski;if you're 'one of the gang' you're not using your noodle well enough 1198824;1436723845;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, i actually owned the town and their sorry asses to boot. but hey. 1198825;1436723887;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you gotta appreciate, at least at the time, being romanian was, to romanians, mostly a derogation. 1198826;1436723907;mircea_popescu;ie, the first step to establish if some item sucked was, "is it romanian made ?" for if it were... 1198827;1436723918;ascii_modem;orcish sop 1198828;1436723925;pete_dushenski;yes, i recall the 'working for foreign company' prestige 1198829;1436723932;ascii_modem;same in ru (of the period) 1198830;1436723960;pete_dushenski;strangely in usa right now, 'made in america' is mark of pride. 1198831;1436723973;ascii_modem;aha 1198832;1436723978;pete_dushenski;basically because corn doesn't have country of manufacture stamp 1198833;1436723981;ascii_modem;at least if not car 1198834;1436723992;pete_dushenski;so finished goods are rarity 1198835;1436723993;mircea_popescu;yeah, as in all dead empires. caragiale notes the case of the 1900s hungarian who declares that he'd rather eat soap wrapped in the hungarian flag than cheese in plain white paper. 1198836;1436724003;ascii_modem;mno 1198837;1436724004;pete_dushenski;the cars are basically corn at this point. see 'bioplastics' 1198838;1436724035;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone know the fascinating story of one guadalupe leija serrano ? 1198839;1436724065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109950 @ 0.00051082 = 56.1647 BTC [+] {2} 1198840;1436724070;mircea_popescu;this was a woman, married, with children. to a drug cartel boss. whose enemies sent a slick kid to seduce her, which the kid did. and he convinced her to withdraw millions of $ from her husband's secret stashes in the us 1198841;1436724076;mircea_popescu;after which, beheaded her, and sent him the head. 1198842;1436724084;mircea_popescu;how is such a great story not in hollywood i wish to know. 1198843;1436724106;mircea_popescu;first mexican beheading, a woman. not empowering enough for the derpstablishment ? 1198844;1436724115;pete_dushenski;more like bollywood material 1198845;1436724115;ascii_modem;made in usa at this time (if not car) means that labour was ruinously expensive - and so there was no sense in saving five cents to make all the parts 'zamac' 1198846;1436724122;pete_dushenski;speaking of which : "Mexico's most notorious drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman broke out of a high security prison on Saturday night for the second time, escaping in a tunnel built right under his cell" 1198847;1436724124;mircea_popescu;!up bosma 1198848;1436724143;mircea_popescu;yeah punkman put it in earlier 1198849;1436724157;pete_dushenski;my bad. 1198850;1436724164;punkman;pete_dushenski: and the US officials are angry http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/12/politics/el-chapo-escape-us-officials-angry/ 1198851;1436724166;assbot;U.S. officials angry over Chapo escape in Mexico - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shfqs5 ) 1198852;1436724166;ascii_modem;neato 1198853;1436724192;punkman;oh noes he will rape us harder now 1198854;1436724195;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: and 'first' mexican beheading ? what of aztecs playing soccer with heads of enemies ? 1198855;1436724198;mircea_popescu;who asked them anything ? 1198856;1436724201;ascii_modem;wake me up when he puts put cigars in ashtray made from usitler's skull 1198857;1436724204;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well, modernly. 1198858;1436724215;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem you sleep too much. 1198859;1436724275;ascii_modem;not enough 1198860;1436724286;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well aren't we just the largest, bestest bitcoin company evar ;) 1198861;1436724304;mircea_popescu;lol 1198862;1436724315;mircea_popescu;hey, "aztec" !==== "mexican" k ? 1198863;1436724336;pete_dushenski;mayan ? i always confuse them lol 1198864;1436724420;pete_dushenski;p.s. where's qntra ? i have a bullet in the chamber 1198865;1436724438;punkman;qntra and search down here 1198866;1436724474;ascii_modem;perhaps the people-who-dont-matter things-that-make-no-difference-d them? 1198867;1436724500;punkman;heh 1198868;1436724618;ascii_modem;back to the mexican fella - in a very important sense he is more dependent on usg staying in business than a u.s. post office director 1198869;1436724642;ascii_modem;no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa 1198870;1436724675;ascii_modem;unless can retool for slave trade 1198871;1436724791;pete_dushenski;and vice versa. co-dependent relationship between 'war' and sinoloa 1198872;1436724840;pete_dushenski;this was also lafond's point in the walmart piece. 1198873;1436724876;pete_dushenski;that communities must be destroyed and middle class businesses bankrupted in order to fuel fight against nouns 1198874;1436725101;punkman;ascii_modem: unless can retool for slave trade << you think they won't find new business? 1198875;1436725268;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1198876;1436725269;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 308.26, Best ask: 308.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 308.27, 24 hour volume: 59155.72683874, 24 hour low: 291.81, 24 hour high: 316.23, 24 hour vwap: None 1198877;1436725754;pete_dushenski;https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.11.0 << derps still derpin', giving "the community" more options that no one will use, least of all the miners. 1198878;1436725755;assbot;Bitcoin Core version 0.11.0 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShhoZp ) 1198879;1436725849;pete_dushenski;highlight : "Block pruning allows Bitcoin Core to delete the raw block and undo data once it’s been validated and used to build the databases. " 1198880;1436725948;pete_dushenski;"The minimum was chosen so that Bitcoin Core will be able to maintain at least 288 blocks on disk (two days worth of blocks at 10 minutes per block). In rare instances it is possible that the amount of space used will exceed the pruning target in order to keep the required last 288 blocks on disk." << RARE ! 1198881;1436725966;punkman;I'm working on some bitcoind debug improvements, I'm losing count of all the different printing functions 1198882;1436726005;pete_dushenski;"Block pruning works during initial sync in the same way as during steady state, by deleting block files “as you go” whenever disk space is allocated. Thus, if the user specifies 550MB, once that level is reached the program will begin deleting the oldest block and undo files, while continuing to download the blockchain." 1198883;1436726015;pete_dushenski;^some funky shit, this. 1198884;1436726068;punkman;paving the way for bigger blocks? 1198885;1436726163;pete_dushenski;the 'dev' aren't paving their way towards anything. 1198886;1436726204;pete_dushenski;every road they've built thus far has resulted in them chasing the roadrunner well after they'd already passed the edge of the cliff 1198887;1436726225;punkman;sure 1198888;1436726226;pete_dushenski;once in a while they realize that there's no ground under their feet. 1198889;1436726239;pete_dushenski;and they apologize and 'fix' and blah blah 1198890;1436726259;pete_dushenski;much to the delight of redditards 1198891;1436726266;pete_dushenski;and much to our continued bemusement 1198892;1436726297;pete_dushenski;and then they come back with another 'acme' product with which to catch that elusive little bird. 1198893;1436726320;pete_dushenski;gavin and hearn are really cartoon characters 1198894;1436726333;pete_dushenski;not even 'come to life', just plain ol' fashioned cartoon characters 1198895;1436726403;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/charlieshrem/status/620241950193643520 << bwahah trading smokes and buttlove for btc now ! 1198896;1436726551;pete_dushenski;https://www.bitcoin.com/en/bitcoin-news/1890688665366203630-how-to-get-paid-for-spreading-bitcoin << make money in your sleep ! 1198897;1436726552;assbot;Bitcoin.com - Daily Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShijJo ) 1198898;1436726560;pete_dushenski;" How to help spread Bitcoin awareness while earning money at the same time." 1198899;1436726586;pete_dushenski;basically, arbitrage starbucks gift card deals 1198900;1436726688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.00052935 = 25.6999 BTC [+] {2} 1198901;1436726871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10714 @ 0.00052796 = 5.6566 BTC [-] 1198902;1436727664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74650 @ 0.00052638 = 39.2943 BTC [-] {2} 1198903;1436727734;pete_dushenski;!up ani 1198904;1436727738;pete_dushenski;!up anig 1198905;1436727786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2824 @ 0.00052027 = 1.4692 BTC [-] 1198906;1436729616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21133 @ 0.00052027 = 10.9949 BTC [-] 1198907;1436731202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153050 @ 0.00053598 = 82.0317 BTC [+] {2} 1198908;1436731587;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/xgadx 1198909;1436731588;assbot;yishan comments on What's the best "long con" you ever pulled? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVwVOW ) 1198910;1436732544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00052027 = 28.875 BTC [-] 1198911;1436733154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00051911 = 16.4298 BTC [-] {2} 1198912;1436733406;*;ben_vulpes is sitting at the glider port 1198913;1436733419;ben_vulpes;$bizpartner is going to shoop us around in a fiberglass meattube 1198914;1436733758;BingoBoingo;nice 1198915;1436733772;BingoBoingo;Watch out for drones 1198916;1436733783;jurov;and geese 1198917;1436734010;BingoBoingo;;;isup qntra.net 1198918;1436734014;gribble;qntra.net is down 1198919;1436734017;BingoBoingo;^ :( 1198920;1436734047;decimation;ben_vulpes: sounds like fun, good luck 1198921;1436734075;phf;i just did tandem paragliding at la jolla couple days ago, lots of fun 1198922;1436734313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68800 @ 0.00051843 = 35.668 BTC [-] 1198923;1436734679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226000 @ 0.00051011 = 115.2849 BTC [-] {3} 1198924;1436734740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27935 @ 0.0005234 = 14.6212 BTC [+] 1198925;1436734873;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198592 <<< seems to still be down as of my waking up 1198926;1436734873;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 15:27:06; thestringpuller: qntra down? 1198927;1436735129;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1198928;1436735135;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 308.44, vol: 22095.17486434 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 305.085, vol: 11840.51127 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 308.48, vol: 59735.86157865 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 312.0, vol: 9.70670778 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 315.00777, vol: 24737.37490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 306.17251, vol: 138.4311849 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 310.1339889, vol: 184.89998436 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1198929;1436735137;BingoBoingo;;;more 1198930;1436735137;gribble;average: 309.49411592 1198931;1436735198;decimation;wow btcusd is on a roll 1198932;1436735472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52015 @ 0.0005234 = 27.2247 BTC [+] 1198933;1436736143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79800 @ 0.0005364 = 42.8047 BTC [+] 1198934;1436737061;mircea_popescu; no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa << dude, forget it. he was there before the us, he'll be there after. 1198935;1436737074;mircea_popescu;this mental masturbation of inserting us into things as if it matters. it doesn't. 1198936;1436737076;mircea_popescu;never has. 1198937;1436737078;mircea_popescu;never will. 1198938;1436737156;mircea_popescu;punkman "let's put the blockchain into such a state it's no longer a blochcain" 1198939;1436737168;mircea_popescu;no fucking idea what they think it'll do, not like we don't have original copies. 1198940;1436737211;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah dunno wtf that host is doing 1198941;1436737242;mircea_popescu;;;isup qntra.net 1198942;1436737243;gribble;qntra.net is up 1198943;1436737280;shinohai;\o/ 1198944;1436737424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00053515 = 18.2486 BTC [-] 1198945;1436737565;shinohai;$ticker 1198946;1436738296;decimation;my conversation with luke on friday night was enough to convince me that the bitcoin devs 'know what they are doing' 1198947;1436738344;decimation;they think they can arbitrage their github commit credentials into power over bitcoin 1198948;1436738680;shinohai;lolz http://cloudminr.io/ 1198949;1436738681;assbot;cloudminr.io users database for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU774R ) 1198950;1436738946;kakobrekla;yup, thats the business model. 1198951;1436738976;decimation;was that a 'cloud mining' business that has gone 'full scam'? 1198952;1436739050;kakobrekla;looking at this, https://archive.is/cloudminr.io , its full scam going full scam 1198953;1436739051;assbot;cloudminr.io: users database for sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU7z2T ) 1198954;1436739315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128391 @ 0.00053149 = 68.2385 BTC [-] {2} 1198955;1436739475;decimation;that's hilarious 1198956;1436739481;decimation;takes chutzpah 1198957;1436739517;decimation;http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/the-99-99-pure-climate-consensus-how-to-ignore-thousands-of-skeptical-scientists/ "One fan, James Powell, was so enthused he spent nine months reading titles and abstracts of 24,000 papers, and found only four scientists (4!) who didn’t agree with the consensus. Some 69,402 other scientists apparently endorse “the consensus” (whatever it is) because they used the terms “climate change”, or 1198958;1436739522;assbot;The 99.99% pure climate consensus – how to ignore thousands of skeptical scientists « JoNova ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU89O8 ) 1198959;1436739613;decimation;related: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm "A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to 1198960;1436739613;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IU8hwZ ) 1198961;1436739810;mircea_popescu;heh. 1198962;1436739871;jurov;http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2015/08/features/moores-law/viewall 1198963;1436739872;assbot;After Moore's Law: how phones are becoming open-source (Wired UK) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShGpUn ) 1198964;1436739879;*;jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^ 1198965;1436739936;jurov;tl;dr: "chinese are still competitive at 40nm due to moore's stalling" 1198966;1436740047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151344 @ 0.00053608 = 81.1325 BTC [+] {2} 1198967;1436740069;decimation;this is the same stuff bunnie has been selling for awhile 1198968;1436740071;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 1198969;1436740072;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00049705 / 0.00052663 / 0.00055436 (9040275 shares, 4,760.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00049302 / 0.00053002 / 0.0005789 (24834822 shares, 13,162.96 BTC), 30D: 0.0003539 / 0.00046213 / 0.0005789 (91786996 shares, 42,417.63 BTC) 1198970;1436740082;jurov;who's bunnie? 1198971;1436740087;decimation;I wonder if they have open source baseband firmware 1198972;1436740099;decimation;the author of your linked article 1198973;1436740213;decimation;ascii would probably emphasize the signficant distance between schmatic of iphone pcb and an actual 'full model' of how iphone works - and the even further distance between that and something 'hand verifyible' 1198974;1436740229;decimation;except he would spell properly 1198975;1436740264;jurov;yes he'd say 'iPnohe' 1198976;1436740312;jurov;but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice 1198977;1436741567;phf;jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop 1198978;1436741749;punkman;"Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s" doesn't sound like a good time to be settling in northern latitudes 1198979;1436742216;scoopbot_revived;Scamazon. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/12/scamazon/ 1198980;1436742452;PeterL;howdy all 1198981;1436743763;ben_vulpes;http://imgur.com/r0gv5oQ 1198982;1436743764;assbot; Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzfXne ) 1198983;1436744378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69350 @ 0.0005352 = 37.1161 BTC [-] {2} 1198984;1436744439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102600 @ 0.00053962 = 55.365 BTC [+] {3} 1198985;1436744866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110950 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2728 BTC [-] 1198986;1436745410;scoopbot_revived;US Missiles Carry Out "unexplained" Commands in the Field http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-missiles-carry-out-unexplained-commands-in-the-field/ 1198987;1436745726;solrodar;asciilifeform: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py and http://178.62.64.22/bitcoin.sexpr 1198988;1436745727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jd68IO ) 1198989;1436745727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jd68Z4 ) 1198990;1436745842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00052569 = 19.8711 BTC [-] {2} 1198991;1436746577;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/07/12/ennio_morricone_to_score_the_hateful_eight_tarantino_s_film_will_be_morricone.html 1198992;1436746578;assbot;Ennio Morricone to score The Hateful Eight: Tarantino’s film will be Morricone’s first Western in four decades. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9JzZZ ) 1198993;1436747001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101020 @ 0.0005185 = 52.3789 BTC [-] {2} 1198994;1436748587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106700 @ 0.00053996 = 57.6137 BTC [+] {3} 1198995;1436748602;mircea_popescu;punkman indeed. 1198996;1436749672;mircea_popescu;From: Contadura Policia de San Juan 1198997;1436749673;mircea_popescu;To: Undisclosed recipients:; 1198998;1436749687;mircea_popescu;Are you in need of a loan or Investment funding ? if yes contact Jimmy Lien(Broker) 1198999;1436749687;mircea_popescu;via email for more info < autocfld13@gmail.com > 1199000;1436749687;mircea_popescu;________________________________ 1199001;1436749687;mircea_popescu;El contenido del presente mensaje tiene carcter de privado y confidencial. Si usted 1199002;1436749688;mircea_popescu;no fuera el destinatario original de este mensaje y lo hubiera recibido, por favor, 1199003;1436749690;mircea_popescu;tenga a bien eliminarlo. 1199004;1436749700;mircea_popescu;such country. 1199005;1436752463;mircea_popescu;https://www.portalarium.com/ << 1199006;1436752465;assbot;Home - Portalarium ... ( http://bit.ly/1USz81e ) 1199007;1436752468;mircea_popescu;The Buzz 1199008;1436752469;mircea_popescu;Richard Garriott's Shroud of the Avatar from Portalarium Raises Two Million Dollars in Crowd Funding 1199009;1436752469;mircea_popescu;April 08, 2013 1199010;1436752483;mircea_popescu;such sad story, this crowdfunding thing. 1199011;1436752804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00051222 = 3.3294 BTC [-] 1199012;1436753085;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1199013;1436753089;gribble;Current Blocks: 365065 | Current Difficulty: 5.1076366303481926E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 366911 | Next Difficulty In: 1846 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.68703 1199014;1436754512;ag3nt_zer0;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/01/0110_030113_organpipeclynes.html 1199015;1436754513;assbot;Arizona Park "Most Dangerous" in U.S. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HplN9O ) 1199016;1436754570;ag3nt_zer0;" "Our budget isn't considered part of homeland defense, so it wasn't a priority," Thompson said, as he drove past the 20-foot (6-meter) hole in the border fence that Eggle's killer drove through. "But how long will it be until someone figures out that you could easily drive a semi-truck with a nuclear device through here?" 1199017;1436754604;ag3nt_zer0;it'll be just about that long, Thompson. 1199018;1436754634;ag3nt_zer0;just after we go to press! 1199019;1436755010;decimation;"Meanwhile, a highly critical Interior Department report says that the department's law enforcement program is in disarray, and that the Park Service suffers from extreme organizational dysfunction. " 1199020;1436755657;ag3nt_zer0;yeah sure... having been to yosemite a few times recently and being so struck by the beauty I don't really dig the story - not to mention the mass media blackouts on the issue 1199021;1436756237;mod6;i went camping there once. 1199022;1436756258;ag3nt_zer0;yosemite? 1199023;1436756265;mod6;organ pipe 1199024;1436756290;decimation;mod6: apparently you were lucky not to be murdered by wondering drug gangs 1199025;1436756329;ag3nt_zer0;oh nice... arizona really is beautiful... lived all over that place at one tiem or another 1199026;1436756439;mod6;it wasn't quite as bad back then. there was still a lot of people crossing the border in the area -- especially across the tohono o'odham resvervation boarder. there the tribe refuses to enforce the boarder because they claim that for thousands of years, there was no boarder. 1199027;1436756472;mod6;the reservation is adjacent (due east) of organ pipe 1199028;1436756517;ag3nt_zer0;there wasn't any fire water either but they got no prob with that 1199029;1436756568;mod6;true enough. 1199030;1436756586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73210 @ 0.00051222 = 37.4996 BTC [-] 1199031;1436757025;mircea_popescu;lol nucular devices! 1199032;1436757966;trinque;ben_vulpes: so parenscript isn't so bad 1199033;1436758052;trinque;spent some time with it over the weekend; though I'm not actually writing CL on the client side it's close enough that I don't feel like I'm context switching between server and client 1199034;1436758075;trinque;the JS produced is entirely readable 1199035;1436758183;PeterL;re American Manufacturing thread earlier, as one who works in a US manufacturing plant, I feel like I have to point out that not all US manufacturing is shit, and my job is to make sure of that 1199036;1436758253;PeterL;oh, by the way, I don't think I have mentioned it here yet, I have loinfruit number 4 on the way, due about January 1199037;1436758772;BingoBoingo;Congrats PeterL 1199038;1436758783;PeterL;thanks 1199039;1436758855;PeterL;You guys have an opinion about Meghan Trainor "all about the base"? Disgusting meat planet or fresh breath of honesty? 1199040;1436758935;BingoBoingo;HamPlanet enabler 1199041;1436759038;PeterL;She is shaped kinda like my wife, but not as cute. What can I say, I like em curvy? 1199042;1436759153;BingoBoingo;Her body isn't the problem. It's her message 1199043;1436759268;BingoBoingo;Trainor doesn't look bad, but her message gives the real FUPAtroopers unwarranted positive encouragement 1199044;1436759312;PeterL;maybe we should just let them feel good about themself and they will stop bothering us about making them feel bad? 1199045;1436759535;BingoBoingo;No 1199046;1436759559;BingoBoingo;That just encourages more of them to exist 1199047;1436759738;gernika;Never quite understood the publicity push encouraging people to eat healthy. Who are these magical people that live healthy lives and then die conveniently, without requiring expensive medical treatment? Is it that they must live long lives and pay enough taxes to afford their death, and that those that die earlier are shirking? 1199048;1436759805;PeterL;Perhaps the hope is that instead of a long decline, people will have a strong life until they suddenly drop dead at the end? 1199049;1436759826;PeterL;Must be strong until pushed into gasenwagen? 1199050;1436759839;asciilifeform;Last Bullet Health and Life Insurance Corp. 1199051;1436759893;PeterL;Should the government health-care supervisors be pushing for doctor-assisted suicide at the onset of terminal diseases? 1199052;1436760017;gernika;Well, they shouldn't outlaw it, at least. 1199053;1436760102;BingoBoingo;It's about aesthetics 1199054;1436760422;PeterL;aesthetics or anesthetics? 1199055;1436760526;mats;http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/army-details-cuts-alaska-georgia-texas-hit-hardest/ 1199056;1436760527;assbot;Army Cuts Hit Alaska, Georgia, Texas Hardest « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBnsjr ) 1199057;1436760819;PeterL;" “At that point,” Allyn continued, “we will no longer be capable of fulfilling our responsibilities in accordance with the national security strategy.” " << Maybe they should bring some troops home from around the world? 1199058;1436760861;mats;meh, hire Triple Canopy. 1199059;1436760881;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Totally about aesthetics 1199060;1436760919;mats;this reduction in force has been planned for a decade 1199061;1436760935;mats;by... politicians 1199062;1436760980;PeterL;well, the army is the biggest item in the budget, so if you want to make a dent it is the obvious place to start 1199063;1436761262;mats;my understanding is that the long term plan has been to reduce the size of conventional troops to pay for more stuff in the socom budget 1199064;1436761266;mats;since rumsfeld/bush 1199065;1436761447;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/synod/ 1199066;1436761448;assbot;Cadaver Synod ... ( http://bit.ly/1O54gpA ) 1199067;1436761466;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf << carl force confiscations 1199068;1436761470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O54fCg ) 1199069;1436761479;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty 1199070;1436761506;cazalla;PeterL, hey congrats! missus and i banged it out a few times last month trying for another.. find out if it took this week 1199071;1436761514;asciilifeform;^ long live the waterfall, aha 1199072;1436761533;PeterL;it's funner if it takes longer 1199073;1436761533;asciilifeform;or will it pay for tx fees once gavinspam runs short of oldcoinz ? 1199074;1436761558;asciilifeform;(letting blocks fall under 950kB is out of the question, dontchaknow) 1199075;1436761697;cazalla;what medication is that guy on? anti-depressants? 1199076;1436761729;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: My guess is txfeespam 1199077;1436761838;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/poor-door-nyc/poor-door-nyc.htm << also lulzy 1199078;1436761839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O54YDn ) 1199079;1436761843;*;asciilifeform did not know ^ existed 1199080;1436763052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00054017 = 7.4814 BTC [+] {2} 1199081;1436763140;BingoBoingo;poor door is SOP in larger US cities 1199082;1436765260;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl congrats. boy or girl ? 1199083;1436765260;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1199084;1436765308;mircea_popescu;gernika certainly a good objection. 1199085;1436765330;mircea_popescu;seems beyond fucking stupid to frame that discussion in terms of banning tobacco. or for that matter, banning tobacco. 1199086;1436765342;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, obese people are an offense to humanity. 1199087;1436765405;mircea_popescu;and speaking of motivation to act healthy - http://31.media.tumblr.com/970b9af35bd767902b45116e3b5ab04a/tumblr_n7k8g6t70m1rl2fgko1_500.gif 1199088;1436765407;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SipssW ) 1199089;1436766163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34268 @ 0.00053256 = 18.2498 BTC [-] 1199090;1436766468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15826 @ 0.00053256 = 8.4283 BTC [-] 1199091;1436766991;BingoBoingo;SO finally got 0.7.2 ish built on OpenBSD 5.6 again. Turns out the problem this whole week was pointing at the wrong BDB version 1199092;1436769015;mthreat;I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then. 1199093;1436769033;mthreat;I'm going to move it to a different server soon to avoid this problem. 1199094;1436769329;cazalla;;;isup qntra.net 1199095;1436769332;gribble;qntra.net is down 1199096;1436771961;mircea_popescu;mthreat send you a btc to help bills along ? 1199097;1436771964;mircea_popescu;cazalla lookin into it 1199098;1436772426;mircea_popescu;206.144.86.90 - - [13/Jul/2015:02:19:37 -0400] "GET /2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/ HTTP/1.1" 200 6182 "http://qntra.net/" "PHP/5.{3|2}.{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}" 1199099;1436772442;mircea_popescu;lol somebody doesn't grok this entire regex thing 1199100;1436772783;punkman;"Greece 'strikes deal with creditors' after all-night talks finally end in agreement following 17 hours of tense negotiations " 1199101;1436772834;mircea_popescu;what's the highlights ? 1199102;1436772837;punkman;you know, same deal as the one people voted off as "NO" 1199103;1436772843;mircea_popescu;lol. 1199104;1436772848;punkman;but now we've killed all trust in banks 1199105;1436772848;mircea_popescu;oxicodone. 1199106;1436772866;punkman;which is a good thing of course 1199107;1436772878;mircea_popescu;eh, trust. 1199108;1436772889;punkman;maybe they wanna buy up Greece before the "long winter" ? 1199109;1436772891;mircea_popescu;aren't these the same banks that stole 90% of cypriot funds a coupla years ago ? what trust. 1199110;1436772915;mircea_popescu;nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100% 1199111;1436772936;mircea_popescu;much like idiot couples that "can't stand each other" to hear them talk, but then go have bad sex twice a week. 1199112;1436772975;punkman;I don't see how they can remove capital controls anytime soon without... going more bankrupt? 1199113;1436773172;mircea_popescu;it's probably coming out of land values. 1199114;1436773201;mircea_popescu;what's a thousand sq ft in downtown athens go for these days ? 1199115;1436773272;punkman;no idea, but the europeans have been eyeing all that land owned by greek church 1199116;1436773303;mircea_popescu;o 1199117;1436773306;mircea_popescu;that gotta go. 1199118;1436773541;punkman;they'll definitely sell off the telecom company to ze germans, which owns most cables and rents them out to the private telecoms 1199119;1436773604;mircea_popescu;the eternal dilemma of the margins : self owned by the local idiots ? or by a distant, thus disinterested if actually competent empire. 1199120;1436773653;punkman;Deutsche Telekom owns 40% already 1199121;1436773663;mircea_popescu;"Since I am no longer at the helm of UO, lets look at where it has gone in my absence. Elves and ninjas have been added into the game, things I specifically had banned. This is only a small example of why and how Ultima has drifted away from Richard Garriott, but I have not drifted away from Ultima. Overused, irrelevant & reused RPG elements are not the essence of my Ultimate RPG. 1199122;1436773663;mircea_popescu; 1199123;1436773663;mircea_popescu;It is clear to me that I, Richard Garriott, am an essential ingredient of at least the Ultimate Ultima, if not more broadly the Ultimate RPG. Perhaps one day, now that the people who pushed me out of EA more than a decade ago are long since gone, EA will recognize that together, we could rebuild that franchise in a way that they have failed to do in the intervening years. Richard Garriott is an essential ingredient in 1199124;1436773665;mircea_popescu;the Ultimate Ultima!" 1199125;1436773666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22756 @ 0.00053256 = 12.1189 BTC [-] 1199126;1436773691;mircea_popescu;for every actual steve jobs... 1199127;1436773771;punkman;is that the portalarium guy? 1199128;1436773831;mircea_popescu;well, legendary ultima creator, lord british etc. yes. 1199129;1436773847;punkman;all the old game devs are trying to crowdfund games these days 1199130;1436773870;punkman;idiots even bought back rights to Carmageddon 1199131;1436773938;mircea_popescu;when it rains money, who's not gonna spare a pail ? 1199132;1436773990;mircea_popescu;anyway, guy sold origin for 30mn. fucking nuts. 1199133;1436774012;mircea_popescu;imagine, origin worth 30mn in 1992, watsap worth 20 bn in 2014. 1199134;1436774468;punkman;I don't remember playing any of his games, were they good? 1199135;1436775087;mircea_popescu;supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series. 1199136;1436775095;mircea_popescu;;;later tell whaack ever got it to run ? 1199137;1436775096;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1199138;1436775831;punkman;http://www.gamesradar.com/why-do-we-keep-forgiving-double-fine/ 1199139;1436775832;assbot; Why do we keep forgiving Double Fine? | GamesRadar ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwqmV0 ) 1199140;1436776940;BingoBoingo;punkman: So now that there's a deal do you want to write up Greece again? 1199141;1436776987;mircea_popescu;dat piece o shit site. 3k lines page, content starts at line 798 1199142;1436777258;mircea_popescu;aaaaand by line 862 the schmuck's rehashed the same intro three times while proposing his spin on it also three times. substantiation is still implicitly promised but i lost hope of delivery and who the fuck is the author anyway ? 1199143;1436777278;mircea_popescu;unemployed lousy public school teachers on the rampage. 1199144;1436777355;punkman;heh 1199145;1436777411;punkman;BingoBoingo: maybe end of this week, no reason to cover the derps move-by-move 1199146;1436777419;BingoBoingo;Alright 1199147;1436777472;mircea_popescu;when did this become a discursive style anyway, "general statement, unsubstantiated claim, restatement of general statement, restatement of unsubstantiated claim, second restatement of general statement, second restatement of unsubstantiated claim, and then move into "we" territory. 1199148;1436777474;mircea_popescu;what fucking we. 1199149;1436777497;punkman;the psychology of crowdfunders ^ 1199150;1436779583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00051355 = 7.3951 BTC [-] 1199151;1436782144;scoopbot_revived;An image worth ten thousand words of sadness. http://trilema.com/2015/an-image-worth-ten-thousand-words-of-sadness/ 1199152;1436782282;punkman;"One intriguing detail with the EU statement: as part of market reforms designed to boost the economy, Greece will have to bring in Sunday trading hours." 1199153;1436783121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17814 @ 0.00051757 = 9.22 BTC [+] {2} 1199154;1436784578;cazalla;;;isup qntra.net 1199155;1436784582;gribble;qntra.net is down 1199156;1436785925;punkman;jurov, did ml barf at my last email? 1199157;1436786051;jurov;gpg: BAD signature from "punkman" 1199158;1436786080;punkman;I wrapped at 74 columns before signing :/ 1199159;1436786114;jurov;try copying from sent mail and verifying 1199160;1436786245;jurov;there are zillions of way how mail clients try to be helpful with autoformatting body text, not just wordwrap 1199161;1436786264;jurov;better be safe and send clearsigned stuff as first attachment 1199162;1436786278;jurov;^ explanation also for ben_vulpes 1199163;1436786456;punkman;ok, it worked now 1199164;1436786463;jurov;what was it? 1199165;1436786485;punkman;I suppose squirrelmail did something to the message 1199166;1436786551;jurov;one client that can be easily configured and relied on to keep body text intact, is kmail. maybe that's why kdepim shitgnome devs (reportedly) use thunderbird instead :D 1199167;1436786593;punkman;made this patch with "git diff", hope it works 1199168;1436786665;jurov;looks fine. pls, what version it applies on ? 1199169;1436786680;jurov;oh thermonuke 1199170;1436786946;jurov;still not added to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html .. this is hopeless 1199171;1436786947;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZZDZT ) 1199172;1436786987;jurov;i'm tempted to just abandon it ane let someone else try making turdatron_revived 1199173;1436787020;punkman;how did I break patches.html? 1199174;1436787031;jurov;not you 1199175;1436787063;jurov;it's most likely my cancerous addon to gnu mailman that failed to process it 1199176;1436787100;punkman;maybe it doesn't like git diff output? 1199177;1436787116;jurov;it does not read the patch at all 1199178;1436787148;jurov;if you sent lenna_full.jpg and lenna_full.jpg.sig it should add them to list, too 1199179;1436787204;punkman;my .sig verifies right? 1199180;1436787228;jurov;just checked.. it does not 1199181;1436787288;punkman;wtf 1199182;1436787305;jurov;it checks at your side? 1199183;1436787313;punkman;yes 1199184;1436787365;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000122.html the sha1sums of your files are as shown here? 1199185;1436787366;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fCl6kl ) 1199186;1436787374;punkman;also works if I download .sig and --verify it 1199187;1436787410;jurov;haven't you updated your key recently? 1199188;1436787429;punkman;hmm I downloaded .patch attachment and it fails indeed 1199189;1436787442;jurov;check the sums pls 1199190;1436787536;jurov;if different, send me your ones and upload the patch, say, to dpaste for me to compare 1199191;1436787563;punkman;I think something stripped a newline at eof 1199192;1436787648;jurov;there is one empty line in the end of received .patch 1199193;1436787849;punkman;I see sent patch ending with "}\n " and original with "}\n \n" 1199194;1436787858;*;punkman flaps hands 1199195;1436787895;*;jurov flails hands 1199196;1436787984;jurov;cancer, indeed 1199197;1436788157;punkman;does it work with --sign --armor files? 1199198;1436788198;jurov;no it expects detached sigs 1199199;1436789160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00051222 = 13.7787 BTC [-] {2} 1199200;1436789476;punkman;it stripped the last newline from readme_s.txt as well 1199201;1436790061;punkman;well if it doesn't reject files that don't match .sig, I could just put them in a tar.gz 1199202;1436790278;jurov;it won't reject any files, it just won't track them either 1199203;1436790282;BingoBoingo;The solution to this problem really seems to be all of the retarded mail clients. 1199204;1436790423;punkman;guess I should try sending with mutt 1199205;1436790423;jurov;BingoBoingo: what do you mean? 1199206;1436790449;jurov;punkman: it was squirrelmail that removed these newlines? 1199207;1436790496;BingoBoingo;There's just a huge disconnect between how people expect their mail client to behave and how they actually do 1199208;1436790529;jurov;punkman pls check the outgoing folder (if you have any), we need to know what caused this 1199209;1436790546;punkman;jurov, well I assume turdatron didn't do this, so must be squirrel or something inbetween 1199210;1436790582;jurov;and i assume turdatron did. so let's get rid of these assumptions, don the gloves and check what's there 1199211;1436790626;jurov;it won't help me if you resend .tar.gz and forget 1199212;1436790651;punkman;the attachments in my "sent" folder had stripped newlines 1199213;1436790674;jurov;okay. so it's squirrelmail, thanks for info 1199214;1436790712;punkman;trying to google "squirrelmail strips newlines" and I get nothing though 1199215;1436790716;jurov;and that's why i put "check if your outgoiug mail verifies" in the manual nobody reads 1199216;1436790741;jurov;!s squirrelmail 1199217;1436790802;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=squirrelmail 1199218;1436790802;jurov;oh search down again? 1199219;1436790947;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199092 1199220;1436790947;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 06:30:15; mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then. 1199221;1436791036;jurov;what a flashback to rg times "nm, phriend pays" :) 1199222;1436791292;BingoBoingo;Oh, before my time 1199223;1436791457;jurov;basically, rg IPOed bitvps, happily paid divs, even submitted something resmbling monthly reports at first... until DC subscription ran out and nobody was around to pay it in fiat 1199224;1436791756;nubbins`;heh 1199225;1436791774;nubbins`;that's what happens when you let a 12yo run a business 1199226;1436791803;nubbins`;those of you who are familiar with romance languages (mircea_popescu, davout, etc) may find this Canadian road sign amusing: http://i.imgur.com/GAdlYEM.jpg 1199227;1436791804;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhfOQh ) 1199228;1436791960;nubbins`;(literal translation of french: "men's holes on the students") 1199229;1436797451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.0005184 = 7.8278 BTC [+] 1199230;1436797980;asciilifeform;punkman: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150713/punkman_debug_sanity_part1_f0023d64470b05705a891da5b52bb1c24eed955b.patch << neato 1199231;1436797981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HqpgCT ) 1199232;1436797995;asciilifeform;punkman: but, tell me this, what was the rationale for nuking the random rpc pw generator thing ? 1199233;1436798034;punkman;asciilifeform: not particularly needed is it? 1199234;1436798048;asciilifeform;imho it was precisely the correct thing. i don't use remote rpc, i don't give a fuck what the pw is so long as it can't be guessed 1199235;1436798067;punkman;can put it back 1199236;1436798067;asciilifeform;and i don't relish having to create it manually on every new machine 1199237;1436798086;asciilifeform;punkman: well, not necessarily put it back, but think of whether there might be a more elegant pill 1199238;1436798119;punkman;conf generator bash script that generates one? 1199239;1436798127;asciilifeform;aha 1199240;1436798132;asciilifeform;in that spirit. 1199241;1436798141;asciilifeform;keep in mind that not all systems will have bash 1199242;1436798147;asciilifeform;(iirc my pogo build does not) 1199243;1436798159;asciilifeform;nor perl, etc 1199244;1436798174;punkman;put it in makefile? 1199245;1436798208;asciilifeform;i'm not even sure how to do this, other than in c, on a machine with no bash, perl, python, etc 1199246;1436798220;asciilifeform;for now i'd just let that thing live 1199247;1436798317;asciilifeform;other nitpick: the removal of the wx cruft is spiffy - it was next on my personal list. but i'd replace InitMessage with fprintf(FOO, ..... with FOO equalling stdout by default. this is because we might one day have a device with a character lcd screen, or teletype, or whatnot, and preserving the semantics of 'this is an init message' isn't entirely useless 1199248;1436798357;punkman;InitMessage already had printf next to it 1199249;1436798371;asciilifeform;ah hm 1199250;1436798386;asciilifeform;what a crock of shit this thing was, from day 1... 1199251;1436798403;punkman;perhaps some things that go to stderr currently, should also go to debug log 1199252;1436798416;asciilifeform;ideally it'd all go to debug.log 1199253;1436798471;punkman;it's still a mess, will need debug_sanity_part2.patch 1199254;1436798480;asciilifeform;what's in that one ? 1199255;1436798487;punkman;nothing yet 1199256;1436798536;asciilifeform;and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ? 1199257;1436798554;punkman;I remember people complaining about that 1199258;1436798564;asciilifeform;it needs to be switchable off, yes 1199259;1436798571;asciilifeform;but if it is absent entirely, log will fill disk 1199260;1436798575;punkman;if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate? 1199261;1436798593;asciilifeform;one more MB of shit for pogo rom ? 1199262;1436798594;asciilifeform;no thx 1199263;1436798612;punkman;ok so I'll resubmit with those two back in 1199264;1436798616;asciilifeform;better solution is loglevels 1199265;1436798624;asciilifeform;max retains all, as your version does 1199266;1436798633;asciilifeform;min produces no log whatsoever 1199267;1436798649;asciilifeform;this one was on my list. 1199268;1436798663;asciilifeform;but i'm very much behind with my list. 1199269;1436798667;punkman;what's inbetween min/max? 1199270;1436798682;asciilifeform;the replacement of various 'if debug ...'-isms 1199271;1436798703;asciilifeform;these are to be displayed on max, but not on 'normal' 1199272;1436798727;punkman;if(fDebug) is not used much though 1199273;1436798757;asciilifeform;was gonna add verbosity in various spots, also, for 'max' 1199274;1436798790;asciilifeform;still, nice work punkman 1199275;1436798826;asciilifeform;i was certain i'd have to do this bit of cleaning myself, and it is a pleasant surprise not having to 1199276;1436798846;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199135 << wouldjabelieve i played the whole series ~BUT~ for 9 and 'Online' ? 1199277;1436798846;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 08:11:27; mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series. 1199278;1436798874;asciilifeform;yes, especially loved the 1980s (commodore-64!) through '5' 1199279;1436798895;asciilifeform;but i never got into mmporgs at all. what sort of game is it where player is not the hero! 1199280;1436798947;asciilifeform;i can sorta picture the appeal of eulora, by imagining it as a kind of animated #b-a 1199281;1436798966;asciilifeform;but items like 'ultima online' never got me hot&bothered 1199282;1436799035;solrodar;asciilifeform: hello again, did you get my links above? 1199283;1436799045;asciilifeform;solrodar: aha 1199284;1436799049;asciilifeform;where's the recipe? 1199285;1436799057;solrodar;at the top of the script 1199286;1436799085;asciilifeform;neato 1199287;1436799118;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu as soon as somebody reports a successful replication of solrodar's recipe, imho he ought get the prize 1199288;1436799119;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1199289;1436799152;punkman;where's the link? 1199290;1436799156;solrodar;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1198987 1199291;1436799156;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 00:02:06; solrodar: asciilifeform: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py and http://178.62.64.22/bitcoin.sexpr 1199292;1436799178;solrodar;the latter being the output of the former 1199293;1436799197;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199110 << re: banks, they are a furniture in the jail. so i apply solzhenitsyn's formula, 'НЕ верь, НЕ бойся, НЕ проси' - don't trust, don't fear, don't ask anything of it. 1199294;1436799197;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 07:35:15; mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100% 1199295;1436799268;punkman;worthy to note that greece always had huge cash economy 1199296;1436799270;asciilifeform;some folks have the meatwot to avoid or mostly avoid fiat banks. (a few of them here, iirc.) good for them. 1199297;1436799279;asciilifeform;punkman: so does usa 1199298;1436799285;asciilifeform;but not everybody gets to be part of it. 1199299;1436799405;asciilifeform;solrodar: there is information loss in your s-expression output. 1199300;1436799421;asciilifeform;in particular, i have no idea how many times function x calls y 1199301;1436799447;asciilifeform;nor do the 'edges' specify in what direction goes the flow 1199302;1436799454;asciilifeform;(is this standardized and implicit ?) 1199303;1436799467;solrodar;the order is source and destination 1199304;1436799474;asciilifeform;aha thx 1199305;1436799492;asciilifeform;then this is usable. 1199306;1436799526;punkman;are those nodes the filtered ones? 1199307;1436799534;asciilifeform;looks like it 1199308;1436799546;solrodar;yes, and overloads and template expansions have been merged into single nodes 1199309;1436799557;solrodar;if you don't want that then you can comment out the call to merge_overloads 1199310;1436799603;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199113 << there is an interesting caveat, which is that land prices in the nato reich are proclaimed 'too big to fail' in the sense that they will never be permitted to fall into where a schmuck can buy a serious land holding 1199311;1436799603;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 07:39:32; mircea_popescu: it's probably coming out of land values. 1199312;1436799680;asciilifeform;e.g., near where i live there is baltimore, md. a city where there are 5k usd plots of land. but i go and try to buy, and learn that it comes with a $maxint obligation to clean, build, guard... 1199313;1436799685;asciilifeform;fuck that 1199314;1436799735;asciilifeform;but logic suggests that if it were not for this 'small print', it'd be the same 200k as in washington 1199315;1436799775;asciilifeform;in that sense, all cheap real estate is a mirage. if it could be had for $smallint, a speculator would already own it. 1199316;1436799799;asciilifeform;(a large, industrial speculator, that is) 1199317;1436799847;*;asciilifeform bll 1199318;1436799850;*;asciilifeform bbl 1199319;1436800578;mod6;punkman: thanks for your patch submission! 1199320;1436800658;mod6;I tried to patch it in as it says in your email, but hit a snag in src/wallet.cpp -- any idea what might be going wrong here? : http://dpaste.com/24ZM2S0.txt 1199321;1436800659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3XjE5 ) 1199322;1436800689;punkman;mod6: try adding a newline at end of .patch file 1199323;1436800775;mod6;there alredy was one there. i can add a new one, but then ofc your sha1 wont match. no worries, will try. 1199324;1436800834;punkman;mail client ate last line which was part of diff context 1199325;1436800867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28278 @ 0.00051208 = 14.4806 BTC [-] {2} 1199326;1436801006;mod6;ok, so there is an 0a at the end of the file. tail doens't show it, but when I open it in ViM it's there... weird!: dpaste.com/0F8R1VJ.txt 1199327;1436801054;jurov;punkman: just resend it with another mail client 1199328;1436801089;punkman;I'll send new one with asciilifeform's suggestions 1199329;1436801129;mod6;alright, cool. thx! 1199330;1436801404;punkman;mod6, when you have a moment, could you have a look at my_snprintf, strprintf and error() in util.cpp? do we need all that? 1199331;1436802502;mod6;punkman: yeah, sure. i'll take a closer look at it here in just a bit. that work? 1199332;1436803059;mod6;might be better to use `diff -uNr a b` on your changes as opposed to `git --diff` too. 1199333;1436803078;mod6;or `diff --git` w/e. 1199334;1436803620;mod6;makes it /slightly/ easier to read. 1199335;1436803756;mod6;i have no idea why (as a lot of things in this code) this is done: btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0080 1199336;1436803773;mod6;so getting rid of that and just calling vsnprintf looks fine to me. 1199337;1436803833;*;mod6 looks at others. 1199338;1436804354;punkman;mod6: that's the output of "git diff -p" command. I don't see any differences besides the "index d91d969..6b38259 100644" sections. 1199339;1436804771;mod6;if nothing else could you try with `git diff -pU`? 1199340;1436804850;jurov;mod6 i happen to know exactly why _vsnprintf, it's windowsism 1199341;1436804858;mod6;the main annoying thing here is that we see (ex): @@ -77,7 +72,6 @@ T* alignup(T* p) 1199342;1436804861;mod6;type of stuff 1199343;1436804873;mod6;jurov: ahh, ok didn't know that. 1199344;1436804919;punkman;it's in std lib http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/cstdio/vsnprintf/ 1199345;1436804920;assbot;vsnprintf - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1gxiRPC ) 1199346;1436804952;jurov;wanted to use snprintf in a win school project, had to call it as _snprintf 1199347;1436804976;mod6;yeah, `man 3 printf` 1199348;1436804980;jurov;never did further research why m$ did this 1199349;1436805057;jurov;neither did satoshi, apparently :D 1199350;1436805686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.0005184 = 27.8122 BTC [+] 1199351;1436805707;mod6;punkman: your changes to strprintf, error and my_snprintf to utilize vsnprintf directly look fine. I see in FormatException you changed snprintf to my_snprintf, which is apparently designed to be "safer". 1199352;1436805715;mod6;Looks related to this: Concerning the return value of snprintf(), SUSv2 and C99 contradict each other: when snprintf() is called with size=0 then SUSv2 stipulates an unspecified return value less than 1, while C99 allows str to be NULL in this case, and gives the 1199353;1436805720;mod6; return value (as always) as the number of characters that would have been written in case the output string has been large enough. SUSv3 and later align their specification of snprintf() with C99. 1199354;1436805724;mod6;Is that the rationale there? 1199355;1436805790;punkman;mod6, I just thought I'd remove some useless #defines, I got absolutely no clue what's going on there 1199356;1436805984;mod6;looks like error(const std::string &&format, ...) does the same gyrations as around _vsnprintf/vsnprintf as my_snprintf. which is kinda strange. my_snprintf must have been added later. 1199357;1436806021;mod6;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0232 1199358;1436806022;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1SjtQYu ) 1199359;1436806114;mod6;and strprintf (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0205) except it checks (ret >= 0 && ret < limit) as well as a few other things. 1199360;1436806435;mod6;!up ascii_field 1199361;1436806686;mod6;punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf (which inturn calls vsnprintf) might be a good change. but unless we know why we're doing it, maybe we should just leave that alone. 1199362;1436806701;mod6;(in FormatException) 1199363;1436807141;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, trinque, other apple users: http://www.lispworks.com/images/lw-ide-cocoa.png << apparently they have lower prices now. if you're still into commercial lisps 1199364;1436807143;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAmuhJ ) 1199365;1436807171;ascii_field;('lispworks ltd.') 1199366;1436807224;ascii_field;^ firm was once infamous for charging royalties on runtime (!!!) for commercial apps. apparently no more. 1199367;1436807238;thestringpuller;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d4gbu/no_we_dont_we_dont_owe_you_anything/ << more hippie talk of hippies saying "Bitcoin will make poor people rich social justic and income inequality" 1199368;1436807239;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1199369;1436807325;mod6;punkman: also, there is a commandline option for -logtimestamps so maybe just leave fLogTimestamps = false; 1199370;1436807548;mod6;why are boost/function.hpp and wallet.h added to headers.h ? 1199371;1436807579;ascii_field;mod6: they used to be in noui.h 1199372;1436807586;mod6;Ah! 1199373;1436807588;mod6;ok. 1199374;1436807628;ascii_field;thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d4gbu/no_we_dont_we_dont_owe_you_anything/ct1rfi0 1199375;1436807629;assbot;scrimrot comments on "No we don't. We don't owe you anything." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sjv8CS ) 1199376;1436807652;mod6;so other than what I said above about keeping FormatException the same, and leaving fLogTimestamps = false, and asciilifeforms' notes above, looks pretty good :] 1199377;1436807680;mod6;thanks for putting effort into cleaning this stuff up. 1199378;1436807682;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199256 << maybe have two config options, one that determines which things go into log file (min/normal/max) and another option which limits how big that file can get? 1199379;1436807682;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:16; asciilifeform: and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ? 1199380;1436807691;punkman;mod6: what kind of insane person doesn't timestamp logs? 1199381;1436807692;ascii_field;thestringpuller: the obsession with 'fair' is interesting - psychiatrically 1199382;1436807704;mod6;punkman: my thoughts too. 1199383;1436807723;mod6;but if we /always/ want them in there, maybe we should remove the commandline flag. 1199384;1436807740;punkman;yeah forgot to remove that, will do 1199385;1436807859;mod6;phf: thanks for your submission be aware that this exists : http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0046 1199386;1436807860;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAnhz6 ) 1199387;1436807882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54400 @ 0.00051166 = 27.8343 BTC [-] 1199388;1436808155;phf;mod6: ah good to know. i'll resubmit, not sure how my patch interacts with recent changes from punkman yet 1199389;1436808354;punkman;punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf << there was a "#define snprintf my_snprintf" before, which I removed 1199390;1436808393;mod6;phf: yah was just about to say, maybe wait until he submits his, then you can apply yours on top. 1199391;1436808423;phf;it might be worthwhile to replace all those printfs with syslog(3) calls, specifically introducing the priority as the first argument, i.e. LOG_ALERT, LOG_WARNING, LOG_DEBUG. maybe have it conditional compilation, so that real bitcoin instance will log to syslog, where's debug instance will still write to file 1199392;1436808424;mod6;punkman: ah, ok. 1199393;1436808453;mod6;i see that now. that's fine then. 1199394;1436808462;mod6;thx 1199395;1436808476;phf;this will also let us remove dodgy log rotation and management functionality altogether 1199396;1436808567;mod6;sounds nice, but im wary about relying on outside daemons 1199397;1436808621;mod6;ben_vulpes, ascii_field, et. al. anyone have any other thoughts on this ^^ 1199398;1436808737;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1199399;1436808774;ascii_field;see thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199260 1199400;1436808774;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:55; punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate? 1199401;1436808999;mod6;ah, thx. 1199402;1436809012;phf;ascii_field: we seem to agree on loglevels, but what's your take on feeding logs into syslog? 1199403;1436809039;ascii_field;phf: i'm biased in the direction of rolling functionality ~into~ bitcoind, rather than ~out~ to unixland 1199404;1436809050;phf;understood 1199405;1436809087;punkman;I just added a -shrinkdebug option 1199406;1436809095;ascii_field;i'll let others comment. maybe i'm wrong about this one 1199407;1436809104;ascii_field;and log rotation, etc. ought to happen in separate proggies 1199408;1436809126;punkman;doesn't pogo have logrotate or anything already? 1199409;1436809128;ascii_field;but keep in mind that the thing needs to work on machines with no perl, no bash, etc 1199410;1436809132;ascii_field;punkman: not afaik 1199411;1436809140;punkman;what does it do with logs? 1199412;1436809150;ascii_field;iirc it has none 1199413;1436809163;mod6;:D 1199414;1436809205;punkman;so shall I remove -logtimestamps? 1199415;1436809205;phf;i think libc's syslog facility tries to pass messages to syslog and if the daemon is not running, they go into /dev/console instead 1199416;1436809314;phf;but i think the easiest option is to adopt syslog interface (since they already have a reasonable list of priority tags), make it go to debug.log by default, and then interested parties can just do #define log syslog 1199417;1436809374;nubbins`;people seem to think fair means "everyone has the same things" 1199418;1436809382;nubbins`;but that's rarely, if ever, fair 1199419;1436809383;ben_vulpes;wb nubbins` 1199420;1436809385;nubbins`;ty 1199421;1436809410;nubbins`;fair generally means "people have vastly different quantity and quality of things" 1199422;1436809453;ben_vulpes;phf: i'd rather not have compilation involved in configuring logs. 1199423;1436809474;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: the debug.log thing is horrendous imho 1199424;1436809512;punkman;ben_vulpes: agreed, I'd like to make the log more parsable 1199425;1436809514;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i'm all ears re: an alternative that doesn't turn my 5MB pogo rom into 10 1199426;1436809517;nubbins`;jesus that reddit diatribe was rough 1199427;1436809529;ben_vulpes;great big screaming steamer of "i cannot reason about this system" 1199428;1436809549;trinque;I'm sure my cats would have things to say about fair if I stopped feeding them. 1199429;1436809566;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: turn it off on the pogo. they're fire and forget, are they not? 1199430;1436809601;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: thing is, i like cutting code. but i dislike inserting dependencies on complicated unixisms like autorotators. 1199431;1436809622;ascii_field;i also dislike increasing the subset of libc we use 1199432;1436809665;trinque;what about a signal for it to close and reopen the log, and then people can do whatever they please outside it? 1199433;1436809668;ben_vulpes;is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you? 1199434;1436809671;trinque;(I'm not aware of whether it already has this) 1199435;1436809683;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: no. 1199436;1436809696;ascii_field;i want log on mine, for example. 1199437;1436809708;phf;ascii_field: autorotators exist because people don't know how to syslog mostly. i.e. you build a syslog demon based on the constraints of your system, i.e. on pogo might just be busybox's syslog, that does rudimentary truncation. elsewhere syslog writes to postgresql or whatever 1199438;1436809779;phf;not running any syslog daemon turns it into fire and forget, so you won't get any logs unless you are physically connected to console 1199439;1436809889;ascii_field;again this is entirely logical except that it creates a new dependency 1199440;1436809898;ascii_field;i.e. one more thing i'd have to reimplement for msdos or bare-metal port. 1199441;1436809962;ben_vulpes;can we get the best of both worlds? eg log to standard debug.log if unconfigured, syslog if configured? 1199442;1436809964;trinque;you could have the best of both by having it just fart messages out stdout and stderr, then attaching it to something like svlogd if/when you want that in a file 1199443;1436809976;ascii_field;^ 1199444;1436809978;trinque;^ my usual setup when running services with runit 1199445;1436810003;trinque;dat unix philosophy 1199446;1436810007;ascii_field;^ 1199447;1436810024;ben_vulpes;also logging is a pretty low priority ticket. if it looks better, has more information, is less braindamaged, is more consistent, great. does not deserve major surgery atm imho. 1199448;1436810029;ben_vulpes;"ticket" 1199449;1436810037;*;ben_vulpes still booting 1199450;1436810109;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d26tk/did_mike_hearn_work_in_sigint_does_he_now/ 1199451;1436810111;assbot;Did Mike Hearn work in SIGINT? Does he now? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY5wvQ ) 1199452;1436810154;punkman;ben_vulpes: I disagree, how the hell are we supposed to debug with insane logs? 1199453;1436810167;trinque;"But if so, he'd be the least well hidden operative ever." << lol 1199454;1436810180;trinque;yes because you as a reddit user know what an operative looks like 1199455;1436810187;trinque;having watched many movies on the subject 1199456;1436810194;ascii_field;https://archive.is/nAitN << archive-d. somebody wanna deedbot this ? 1199457;1436810195;assbot;Mike Hearn - Binding to a specified symbol version ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY5MLg ) 1199458;1436810207;trinque;sure 1199459;1436810356;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2W904B9.txt 1199460;1436810357;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY6acT ) 1199461;1436810357;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1199462;1436810439;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/262H0V4.txt 1199463;1436810440;assbot;Mike Hearn - Binding to a specified symbol version ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY6pEO ) 1199464;1436810441;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1199465;1436810455;trinque;both direct and as seen by archive.is 1199466;1436810607;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1199467;1436811974;felipelalli;is gribble down? 1199468;1436812016;ascii_field;'Disconnected by services' << ??? 1199469;1436812043;ascii_field;qntra also down ? 1199470;1436812112;felipelalli;ascii_field, yes. http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://qntra.net/ 1199471;1436812115;assbot;Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYak4v ) 1199472;1436812132;felipelalli;!8ball 1199473;1436812144;felipelalli;gribble seems sick. 1199474;1436812153;felipelalli;;;8ball 1199475;1436812158;felipelalli;nothing. 1199476;1436812195;gribble;I doubt it very much. 1199477;1436812211;felipelalli;ah! up again. 1199478;1436812314;ben_vulpes;punkman: i'm not advocating insane logs, i'm just saying pretty it up and make it consistent but perhaps we don't waste too much time arguing about syslog and logrotation at precisely this moment? 1199479;1436812468;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field 1199480;1436812512;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: actually sane logs are rather essential for other work 1199481;1436812633;ben_vulpes;i'm not arguing against sane logs! 1199482;1436812644;ben_vulpes;out of curiosity, what is 'other work'? 1199483;1436812677;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: say, figuring out how long it takes to verify block N 1199484;1436812686;ascii_field;would be neat if i could learn this from looking at timestamps 1199485;1436812702;ben_vulpes;ah indeed 1199486;1436812712;ascii_field;or say i wanna pipe my node's log to a thermal printer. 1199487;1436812713;ben_vulpes;eatblock doesn't provide for that? 1199488;1436812727;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: eatblock returns immediately 1199489;1436812742;ben_vulpes;hm 1199490;1436812773;ascii_field;(iirc the process is asynchronous.) 1199491;1436812789;ben_vulpes;relatedly, i'm always amazed at how `getinfo' blocks on...something. 1199492;1436812833;ascii_field;prolly the innumerable 'critical section' nonsense 1199493;1436812844;phf;ascii_field: i don't think that's the case. i changed block processing to return false when the block is bastard, and eatblock started returning false for those. 1199494;1436812876;ascii_field;neato 1199495;1436812880;ascii_field;phf: post patch ? 1199496;1436812896;ascii_field;in other nyooz, 1199497;1436812899;ascii_field;https://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/2502 << mega-l0l 1199498;1436812900;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOh16 ) 1199499;1436812914;ascii_field;'Trend Micro Threat Intelligence Manager installs a secure web interface (httpd.exe, tcp port 443/https) which listens for incoming requests. Several vulnerabilities have been found in the product that would allow a remote attacker to cause the product to execute arbitrary code.' 1199500;1436812932;trinque;lol! 1199501;1436812939;trinque;yet they called it a "secure web interface" 1199502;1436812981;ascii_field;http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 << other lulz of the day 1199503;1436812982;assbot;ProxyHam anonymising router project mysteriously closed down - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOp0F ) 1199504;1436813026;ascii_field;^ seems to be a modernization of the ancient 'gold box' 1199505;1436813038;ascii_field;( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_box_(phreaking) ) 1199506;1436813039;assbot;Gold box (phreaking) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOwt4 ) 1199507;1436813071;ascii_field;pretty snoreworthy idea, but apparently hamhandedly desaparecido by usg 1199508;1436813075;ascii_field;and now famous as result. 1199509;1436813169;ascii_field;'Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device... Existing #proxyham units will be disposed of and no longer be made available at @_defcon_' 1199510;1436813310;ascii_field;'it appears that his hand was forced – legally – complete with gags and destruction orders.' 1199511;1436813320;ascii_field;( http://www.csoonline.com/article/2947377/network-security/privacy-talk-at-def-con-canceled-under-questionable-circumstances.html ) 1199512;1436813323;assbot;Privacy talk at DEF CON canceled under questionable circumstances | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYc5yq ) 1199513;1436813982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20030 @ 0.0005184 = 10.3836 BTC [+] 1199514;1436815008;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1199515;1436815039;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198964 << the 'open source chinese phones' thing is a complete snorefest. wake me up when street urchins can fab even a, e.g., z80 1199516;1436815039;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 22:24:39; *: jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^ 1199517;1436815048;ascii_field;any moron can get a pinout. 1199518;1436815090;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198977 << we had a 'novena' thread. sad joke 1199519;1436815090;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 22:52:47; phf: jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop 1199520;1436815114;jurov;z80 is closed source turd, too, no? 1199521;1436815115;ascii_field;perhaps the ultimate joke. yet another schmuck helping to redefine what 'open' means, to the peanut gallery 1199522;1436815128;ascii_field;jurov: not if you can read ru! 1199523;1436815149;punkman;"Designed to augment existing privacy tools, ProxyHam is a Raspberry Pi computer with Wi-Fi enabled." << gag order for this?? 1199524;1436815186;ascii_field;punkman: not like usg considers the question 'is this trivial to make' before they gag 1199525;1436815236;ascii_field;for all we know, usg just finished installing 900Mhz intercept network and now is banking on 'streisand effect' to get us to use it. 1199526;1436815294;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198976 << the point i'm trying to make is that 'open' design is meaningless if it cannot be made, or, once made, verified at reasonable expense 1199527;1436815294;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 22:31:52; jurov: but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice 1199528;1436815309;ascii_field;in that sense jurov is right, all microprocessors ever made are 'closed source' 1199529;1436815332;jurov;what russians did with z80 was not "reasonable expense" 1199530;1436815346;ascii_field;aha 1199531;1436815348;ascii_field;jurov has it. 1199532;1436815370;*;ascii_field idly wonders how big z80 would be if turned into discrete ttl 1199533;1436815478;ascii_field;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MXCHIP/MICO/master/MICO/Library/RF%20driver/wlan_firmware.c << and ~here~ is an example of what chinese consider to be 'open source'. 1199534;1436815480;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuHM70 ) 1199535;1436815505;punkman;verified at reasonable expense << can you ever verify SoC in jungle conditions? 1199536;1436815511;punkman;or back to wirewrap? 1199537;1436815531;ascii_field;why wirewrap ? 1199538;1436815543;ascii_field;solder. 1199539;1436815595;mod6;haha @ wlan_firmware.c 1199540;1436816344;nubbins`;nasty magenta print head clog 1199541;1436816361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30670 @ 0.00052756 = 16.1803 BTC [+] 1199542;1436816365;nubbins`;turns out it's an issue with the cartridge in the CIS kit 1199543;1436816371;nubbins`;or so they say, anyway 1199544;1436816381;nubbins`;replacement part otw 1199545;1436816677;punkman;ascii_field: solder, sure. what's the most complicated component we can verify in jungle? (is there previous thread?) 1199546;1436816683;ascii_field;ttl 1199547;1436816732;ascii_field;other thing is, items like z80 or rom of ~known vintage~ can be considered 'verifiable' in a weaker sense of the word 1199548;1436816745;ascii_field;stockpile ~now~ 1199549;1436816760;ascii_field;not 5 years from now when the fakes are stamped out by the millions. 1199550;1436816866;punkman;ttl? 1199551;1436816875;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1199552;1436816905;punkman;oh nm, found it 1199553;1436817152;trinque;ascii_field: might be cool to get a rough list of interesting historic artifacts from you sometime 1199554;1436817168;ascii_field;trinque: what is interesting to one is just old junk to another. 1199555;1436817215;ascii_field;but i like the idea of owning a lifetime's supply of non-nato cpu. 1199556;1436817298;mats;http://i.imgur.com/3E4znLe.gifv 1199557;1436817298;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4pJ0F ) 1199558;1436817353;ascii_field;wat. 1199559;1436817684;punkman;ascii_field: so btc node on some kind of cray-sized monstrosity? 1199560;1436817706;ascii_field;doubtful 1199561;1436817765;ascii_field;in other news, 1199562;1436817783;ascii_field;http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/2/9/0/4/1/1/4/md321_front.jpg?key=4vm4IxchvTR9PpuKsJQPcQ&ts=1436817817 1199563;1436817785;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4qaIa ) 1199564;1436817844;ascii_field;arm a9, 256M ram, video, usb; $12 or so in qty. 1 from cn 1199565;1436817854;ascii_field;but afaik there is no (public) linux port 1199566;1436817868;ascii_field;these are sold as 'miracast wireless hdmi receiver' 1199567;1436817880;ascii_field;802.11 built in 1199568;1436817890;mats;I have one like it 1199569;1436817897;ascii_field;mats: ported linux to it ? 1199570;1436817904;mats;ran openelec on it 1199571;1436817905;trinque;http://www.rock-chips.com/a/en/products/index.html 1199572;1436817908;mats;nope 1199573;1436817913;ascii_field;the included one, afaik, does not support the usb port 1199574;1436817915;trinque;pretty cool 1199575;1436817918;ascii_field;which is the only means of adding storage 1199576;1436817936;ascii_field;(whether it even is usb2, is unknown to me) 1199577;1436817945;ascii_field;if yes, this can run a node 1199578;1436817950;ascii_field;and is price-comparable with pogo 1199579;1436817956;ascii_field;and available in qty. MAXINT 1199580;1436818097;ascii_field;http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/29/acer-aerialcast-miracast-adapter-powered-by-realtek-rtd1185pa-rtl8192dv << similar device 1199581;1436818100;assbot; Acer AerialCast Miracast Adapter Powered by Realtek RTD1185PA + RTL8192DV ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC7Fel ) 1199582;1436818117;ascii_field;apparently these are rather plentiful 1199583;1436818198;trinque;https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Realtek << looks like that realtek chip speaks usb2.0 1199584;1436818200;assbot;Realtek - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC83t9 ) 1199585;1436818202;trinque;so there's some hope 1199586;1436818278;trinque;the one on the xda link, I mean. 1199587;1436818478;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199544 << not the kind of "replacement part" I usually hear about in regards to a "CIS kit" 1199588;1436818478;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 19:39:41; nubbins`: replacement part otw 1199589;1436818516;ascii_field;http://www.pandawill.com/e6-wireless-display-dongle-miracast-hdmi-wifi-display-tv-stick-black-p94914.html 1199590;1436818518;assbot;E6 Wireless Display Dongle Miracast HDMI WiFi Display TV Stick Black ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC93h7 ) 1199591;1436818542;ascii_field;slightly costlier than pogo; comparable specs; would need a mechanical adapter for usb drive 1199592;1436818555;ascii_field;user would have to plug the thing into a tv set to configure 802.11 1199593;1436818563;ascii_field;and 1199594;1436818574;ascii_field;i suppose it could display a spiffy graphical representation of blockchain, etc. 1199595;1436818581;ascii_field;because, after all, has video jack 1199596;1436818620;ascii_field;http://www.cnx-software.com/tag/mini-pc/page/30 << buncha material re: these machines. 1199597;1436818623;assbot; mini-pc | Page 30 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC9qrK ) 1199598;1436818762;nubbins`;danielpbarron 8) 1199599;1436818819;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1199600;1436818821;thestringpuller;ascii_field: keep your css fingers off my bitcoins 1199601;1436818829;ascii_field;l0l 1199602;1436818835;ascii_field;none of these things have rtc, i must note. 1199603;1436818862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29557 @ 0.00051166 = 15.1231 BTC [-] {2} 1199604;1436818863;ascii_field;thestringpuller: you can have the thing display 'screensaver' kaleidoscope if you like. 1199605;1436818870;ascii_field;just, if you have vga, why not use. 1199606;1436818887;nubbins`;pipe log to it 8) 1199607;1436818895;trinque;I'm a sucker for cool viz 1199608;1436818981;ascii_field;but the point stands - after several months of on and off searching, i did find a box which 1) is less than 2x cost of 'pogo' 2) very close in cpu and has NOT LESS ram than pogo 3) available in virtually unlimited quantities for the foreseeable future 1199609;1436818990;ascii_field;on top of this, 4) from multiple competing vendors 1199610;1436819008;nubbins`;toldja 1199611;1436819052;ascii_field;it still remains to be seen 1) whether a sane linux port is possible for these 2) whether usb flash, of reasonable cost, can keep up - on these boxes - with blockchain. 1199612;1436819080;ascii_field;and 3) whether these can be configured by users without resorting to black magic, 1199613;1436819157;nubbins`;still, a promising sign 1199614;1436819189;ascii_field;anyone who tries this - write in. 1199615;1436819226;nubbins`;!s force-052-050.pdf 1199616;1436819286;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=force-052-050.pdf 1199617;1436819286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9309 @ 0.00052756 = 4.9111 BTC [+] 1199618;1436819286;ascii_field;nubbins`: search is down 1199619;1436819286;nubbins`;then i apologize if repost 1199620;1436819286;nubbins`;http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf 1199621;1436819288;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCbIau ) 1199622;1436819288;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199067 1199623;1436819288;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 04:24:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf << carl force confiscations 1199624;1436819288;ascii_field;^ thread 1199625;1436819288;nubbins`;ty 1199626;1436819288;kakobrekla;search down but alf still works. 1199627;1436819324;nubbins`;order of forfeiture listing btc addresses, wonder if that's a first? 1199628;1436819332;ascii_field;nah that was in the earlier one 1199629;1436819339;nubbins`;ah 1199630;1436819366;nubbins`;couple minor lels: 1199631;1436819371;nubbins`;"49.999 BTC in 1YCMDxDoYwRApGjyoPVi5onrN8JRLt383;" 1199632;1436819388;nubbins`;sent 50btc, took tx fee out of it 1199633;1436819396;nubbins`;later learned his lesson: 1199634;1436819402;nubbins`;"400.00101 BTC in 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE;" 1199635;1436819589;nubbins`;wow, typos in THREE of the listed addresses? 1199636;1436819688;trinque;I'll never be able to understand how someone working for an entity with a goddamn NSA thought he'd get away with it. 1199637;1436819693;trinque;the whole thing stinks of bullshit 1199638;1436820353;*;ascii_field bought a few of these boxes, of different makes 1199639;1436820411;ascii_field;for subscribers of 'amazon', if you go for hong kong you can get one of the clones for ~$6 each (incl postage) 1199640;1436820414;phf;ascii_field: novena's "open" is identity thing. kind of like "maker" means a person who buys lego pieces from adafruit website and then connects them using a tutorial. it just means that the buying demographic are the same people who have a handful of o'reilly books and run ubuntu 1199641;1436820423;punkman;http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/13/donald-trump-el-chapo-fbi-son-tweet-death-threat/ 1199642;1436820424;assbot;Donald Trump Calls in FBI Over Death Threats Involving El Chapo | TMZ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1Nxmr ) 1199643;1436820436;ascii_field;phf: aha 1199644;1436820444;ascii_field;phf: 'make magazine disease' 1199645;1436820514;ascii_field;phf: meanwhile, actual-open disappeared as a thing from the world 1199646;1436820520;ascii_field;and perhaps a dozen people noticed. 1199647;1436820531;nubbins`;perhaps a dozen cared to begin with 1199648;1436820551;nubbins`;actually cared, not "signed this change.org petition" cared 1199649;1436820557;ascii_field;the rest will only contemplate 'caring' when the dildoes stop buzzing 1199650;1436820784;mod6;!up ascii_field 1199651;1436820867;phf;well, it was a recent mp thread, that i'm going to butcher, since i don't grok it fully yet, but it was something about how presence of the word already indicates the failure of described concept 1199652;1436820937;ascii_field;aha, sorta like if it were usual for a bakery to advertise 'shit-free bread' 1199653;1436820960;phf;"doesn't contain asbestos!" 1199654;1436821031;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-embassy-used-as-safe-haven-during-ukraine-uprising-investigation-finds-1.3148719 1199655;1436821033;assbot;Canadian embassy used as safe haven during Ukraine uprising, investigation finds - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1OYRX ) 1199656;1436821079;nubbins`;unrelated: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/arseniy-yatsenyuk-stephen-harper-to-sign-canada-ukraine-trade-deal-tuesday-1.3149875 1199657;1436821081;assbot;Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Stephen Harper to sign Canada-Ukraine trade deal Tuesday - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1P5wI ) 1199658;1436821216;ascii_field;l0l! 1199659;1436821221;ascii_field;what do the urks intend to sell ? 1199660;1436821229;ascii_field;stray dogs, for soap ? 1199661;1436821234;ascii_field;themselves, idem ? 1199662;1436821364;punkman;babies to all the new gay families? 1199663;1436821374;nubbins`;O.O 1199664;1436821408;punkman;oh wait it has been legal for a while in canada? 1199665;1436823282;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1199666;1436823288;ascii_field;https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-April/037549.html << lulzy 1199667;1436823289;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDX1Qd ) 1199668;1436823868;trinque;ascii_field: lol @ the "bad exit node" whack-a-mole 1199669;1436824114;ascii_field;i especially love how nobody suspects the isp 1199670;1436824133;ascii_field;who could just as easily be the one to have fallen into the honeypot 'fake btc exchange login' 1199671;1436824164;ascii_field;or the sheer militant idiocy in proclaiming the other exits innocent (by implication) 1199672;1436824264;punkman;also https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/3a3ckb/introducing_new_bitcoin_mixertumbler_payshield_by/ 1199673;1436824265;assbot;Introducing new Bitcoin Mixer/Tumbler: PayShield by Sigaint : onions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HE0caB ) 1199674;1436824323;punkman;Signed, SIGAINT Administration, Ministry of Darknet Finance 1199675;1436824325;trinque;"guys look we're fighting the good fight against teh fedz! also pls to be using our tumbler!" 1199676;1436824327;trinque;uh huh. 1199677;1436824410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26897 @ 0.00053586 = 14.413 BTC [+] 1199678;1436825314;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1199679;1436825637;scoopbot_revived;UK Student Convicted On Darknet Drugs Purchase http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-student-convicted-on-darknet-drugs-purchase/ 1199680;1436825701;ascii_field;nubbins` ^ 1199681;1436825716;ascii_field;and other 'it is not illegal to get a parcel with dope' folks ^ 1199682;1436826066;cazalla;i actually found the guy on steam, waiting for him to come online to ask if he confessed under duress (i don't really expect much of an answer) 1199683;1436826097;ascii_field;typically, being accused is duress enough 1199684;1436826122;punkman;"confess and you only get community service" 1199685;1436826141;ascii_field;just same now as in inquisition 500 yrs ago. 1199686;1436826155;ascii_field;'confess and you get penance' 1199687;1436826160;trinque;I remember being taught that the evil USSR forced confessions... 1199688;1436826226;ascii_field;no more and no less than the example here. 1199689;1436826266;trinque;yep, wondering aloud where this "good" other side might be 1199690;1436826313;ascii_field;l0l 1199691;1436826717;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198641 << looks like this one was made for the occasion. student l0lpr0ject? 1199692;1436826717;assbot;Logged on 12-07-2015 17:06:21; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) 1199693;1436826832;punkman;ascii_field, was it a direct submission? 1199694;1436826934;punkman;http://shoestringfoundation.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2004/07/01 1199695;1436826935;assbot;The Shœstring Foundation Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1M72vtT ) 1199696;1436826954;ascii_field;punkman: it appears to be in the sks data set 1199697;1436826959;ascii_field;how it got there, is anyone's guess 1199698;1436826985;punkman;^ someone found Joe before 1199699;1436827001;ascii_field;^ does anyone have evidence that this text existed prior to may 20 ? 1199700;1436827058;punkman;wayback machine has it 1199701;1436827074;punkman;http://web.archive.org/web/20041119061023/http://shoestringfoundation.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2004/07/01 1199702;1436827075;assbot;The Bin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BxzP ) 1199703;1436827094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55653 @ 0.00053068 = 29.5339 BTC [-] {2} 1199704;1436827160;punkman;"Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps 1199705;1436827399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66347 @ 0.0005111 = 33.91 BTC [-] 1199706;1436827512;punkman;http://www.joshwieder.net/2015/03/wikileaks-global-intelligence-file-dump.html 1199707;1436827513;assbot;Josh Wieder: Wikileaks Global Intelligence File Dump is Loaded With Malicious Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1M73muP ) 1199708;1436828051;trinque;very interesting. 1199709;1436828417;trinque;"As of this writing (3PM @ 7-13-2015) Wikileaks continues to provide a torrent file with an identical timestamp, filename and byte size as the one I analyzed without any warning message notifying users of the danger of handling the files." 1199710;1436828470;pete_dushenski;another one via josh : http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.7476 1199711;1436828471;assbot;[1303.7476] Conspiratorial cosmology - the case against the Universe ... ( http://bit.ly/1M74yOL ) 1199712;1436828492;trinque;side note of... people gotta learn to UTC or specify time zone on the internet 1199713;1436828494;pete_dushenski;"Based on the cosmological results of the Planck Mission, we show that all parameters describing our Universe within the \Lambda CDM model can be constructed from a small set of numbers known from conspiracy theory. Our finding is confirmed by recent data from high energy particle physics. This clearly demonstrates that our Universe is a plot initiated by an unknown interest group or lodge. We analyse possible 1199714;1436828495;pete_dushenski; scenarios for this conspiracy, and conclude that the belief in the existence of our Universe is an illusion, as previously assumed by ancient philosophers, 20th century science fiction authors and contemporary film makers." 1199715;1436828504;*;pete_dushenski is reading the paper now 1199716;1436828551;punkman;" Journal of Comparative Irrelevance" 1199717;1436828557;trinque;heh! 1199718;1436828580;pete_dushenski;it's a joke ? 1199719;1436828584;punkman;doesn't seem to exist unfortunately 1199720;1436828616;pete_dushenski;sure it does. 1199721;1436828631;pete_dushenski;it's just called 'journal of epidemiology' 1199722;1436828641;pete_dushenski;or 'journal of behavioural economics' 1199723;1436828658;pete_dushenski;same concept. 1199724;1436828682;trinque;April 1, 2013 1199725;1436828691;trinque;also copyright "dada" may be part of the joke 1199726;1436828868;punkman;http://lolmythesis.com/ 1199727;1436828870;assbot;lol my thesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1M74X3w ) 1199728;1436829002;pete_dushenski;heya mp 1199729;1436829004;mircea_popescu;heya! 1199730;1436829059;pete_dushenski;someone's excited to be here :) 1199731;1436829060;mircea_popescu;what's new ? 1199732;1436829102;pete_dushenski;it's hot as shit here. 30C+ 1199733;1436829145;mircea_popescu;very pleasant 12ish here 1199734;1436829223;pete_dushenski;a bit cool, but really quite livable for the south's 'january' 1199735;1436829252;mircea_popescu;yeh i have no comp;laints 1199736;1436829273;pete_dushenski;also, i just brought back the old skool razr phone into service 1199737;1436829276;pete_dushenski;black 1199738;1436829283;pete_dushenski;it's insanely cool. 1199739;1436829296;punkman;12c, are they all wearing heavy coats and furs now? 1199740;1436829331;pete_dushenski;the razr really makes me wonder why people with laptops or desktops would have 'smartphones' 1199741;1436829340;mircea_popescu;punkman like you wouldn't believe 1199742;1436829412;pete_dushenski;is there an argentinian equivalent to the canadian 'toque' ? 1199743;1436829426;mircea_popescu;everyone's office in microcentro is like, you know, 1/4 mile away at most, i usually go around in a suit. you'd think i'm in swimming trunks for the looks teh women give out. 1199744;1436829460;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski iirc that's a roman thing. but they wear coats and gloves and shit, it's ridiculous. 1199745;1436829526;pete_dushenski;i seem to recall that women covering their heads the way we think 'muslims' do is in fact a byzantine tradition, but not sure about the men. 1199746;1436829529;punkman;;;ud toque 1199747;1436829530;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=toque | toque. the ultimate in high Canadian fashion. worn year round whether it's cold or warm outside. and yes it does get warm in Canada! "I never leave the house ... 1199748;1436829623;mircea_popescu;eastern, i think it predates the byzantines 1199749;1436829664;pete_dushenski;punkman http://globedia.com/imagenes/noticias/2014/1/15/moda-invierno-2014-chicos-dsquared2_4_1956833.jpg << the highest of high fashions 1199750;1436829665;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M75UZM ) 1199751;1436829689;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu makes sense 1199752;1436829700;punkman;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/heinz-forced-to-apologise-after-qr-code-on-ketchup-bottle-linked-to-hardcore-porn-site-10327313.html 1199753;1436829700;assbot;Heinz forced to apologise after QR code on ketchup bottle linked to hardcore porn site - News - Food and Drink - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1M75ZwA ) 1199754;1436829800;pete_dushenski;baahhahah 1199755;1436829818;pete_dushenski;too cheap to register the domain name for as long as the product isn't expired. 1199756;1436829849;punkman;does Heinz even expire? 1199757;1436829925;trinque;"Taking advantage of the free advertising, Fundorado also comment on the photo, and offered Korell a free year's subscription." << epic lols 1199758;1436829942;pete_dushenski;punkman even if it doesn't, they still have to list one by law 1199759;1436829958;pete_dushenski;not like kraft singles ever go bad either, still have label requirements 1199760;1436830003;pete_dushenski;"Newly released records show the federal [canadian] revenue agency has written off at least $4 billion in debts in the last two years" 1199761;1436830030;pete_dushenski;"The outstanding balance in undisputed, unpaid taxes was $29 billion as of March 31, 2012" 1199762;1436830034;punkman;was it loans to Greece? 1199763;1436830092;pete_dushenski;probably just canadian greeks using their deferred tax payments to buy real estate on mykonos 'while it's cheap' and getting roasted 1199764;1436830106;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/UXCBWlW.gifv 1199765;1436830107;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TyBb9h ) 1199766;1436830108;punkman;there is no real eastate on mykonos 1199767;1436830122;pete_dushenski;thus the scam! 1199768;1436830156;mircea_popescu;lol 1199769;1436830180;mircea_popescu;;;buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar 1199770;1436830180;gribble;Error: 'mykonos' is not a valid positive floating point number. 1199771;1436830183;mircea_popescu;;;google buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar 1199772;1436830185;gribble;Why You Should Be Investing Your Money In Real Estate: ; Investing in Commercial Real Estate - Entrepreneur: ; Real estate investing vs. buying a business (tenant, 7 ...: 1199773;1436830193;mircea_popescu;right. 1199774;1436830222;punkman;heh 1199775;1436830467;cazalla;http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2015/07/13/rapper-50-cent-files-for-bankruptcy/ 1199776;1436830468;assbot; Rapper 50 Cent Files for Bankruptcy - Bankruptcy Beat - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1M76NBx ) 1199777;1436830491;punkman;worth what it says on tin ^ 1199778;1436830498;punkman;not bad 1199779;1436830520;pete_dushenski;i guess his little cameo in 'spy' didn't cut the escalade-flavoured mustard 1199780;1436830554;punkman;"he was supposed to appear in a New York state court to determine whether he owes punitive damages in a 2010 lawsuit filed by Lastonia Leviston, rapper Rick Ross’s ex-girlfriend" 1199781;1436830563;punkman;more sextape 1199782;1436830635;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199706 << Run Moar Winblowz!! 1199783;1436830635;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 22:45:12; punkman: http://www.joshwieder.net/2015/03/wikileaks-global-intelligence-file-dump.html 1199784;1436830930;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199704 << he used ordinary sks, as far as i can tell. 1199785;1436830930;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 22:39:20; punkman: "Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps 1199786;1436830949;asciilifeform;quite enough keys 'to eat with one's arse' 1199787;1436830965;punkman;asciilifeform: historical copies might also be interesting 1199788;1436830983;asciilifeform;punkman: theoretically, keys are never removed 1199789;1436830992;asciilifeform;finding this, alone, would be newsworthy 1199790;1436831014;asciilifeform;(that is, evidence that any historical copies are anything other than subsets of the current snapshot) 1199791;1436831016;punkman;would be interesting to diff 2004 sks dump with 2015 1199792;1436831021;asciilifeform;aha. 1199793;1436831040;asciilifeform;keys that are altered or missing would be insta-newz. 1199794;1436831059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55399 @ 0.00052554 = 29.1144 BTC [+] 1199795;1436831062;asciilifeform;if anybody in my wot has such a snapshot - please write in. 1199796;1436831169;punkman;"Going forward, Greece will have to stash its assets in a specially created fund and prepare them for sale “under the supervision of the relevant European Institutions,” “That may include buildings, possible areas of land, and even islands,” he says." 1199797;1436831172;punkman;"To protect the natural, historical and archaeological value of such real estate, Greece would need to pass laws and empower oversight bodies to make sure that “the new owner does not abuse or damage the property,” " 1199798;1436831207;asciilifeform;rapetime, aha 1199799;1436831345;mircea_popescu;lawl. 1199800;1436831347;punkman;"The idea of selling the Acropolis came up early in Greece’s debt crisis. In 2010, two conservative German lawmakers caused a furor in Greece by suggesting that ancient ruins should not be off limits to privatization. " 1199801;1436831352;mircea_popescu;so the euros do not wish the russians to buy this ? 1199802;1436831412;mircea_popescu;neways, after all the "dignity" talk, are these supposed people of greece actually beheading the politicos in front of the temple ? or ? 1199803;1436831412;punkman;oh no, they already said Tsipras should stop talking to Putin, the Enemy of All Things European 1199804;1436831463;mircea_popescu;"we had a referendum, said no. you agreed with the euros. here's your death sentence. it covers your parents and offspring" 1199805;1436831482;mircea_popescu;beheading five year olds similarly should not be off limits, what's zee german conservatives say ? 1199806;1436831511;mircea_popescu;rich cultural heritage and all that. 1199807;1436831547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64456 @ 0.0005038 = 32.4729 BTC [-] {2} 1199808;1436831554;mircea_popescu;i suppose dignity's a lot like property, erryone's more than happy to claim it for as long as it's free. 1199809;1436831614;asciilifeform;they behead, the trucks full of freebies stop coming. 1199810;1436831621;punkman;no time for dignity now, have to work on penance 1199811;1436831621;asciilifeform;and other trucks come instead 1199812;1436831633;mircea_popescu;dude, but the dignitit. 1199813;1436831650;asciilifeform;it isn't even a forebrain syllogism, they know this with their arse 1199814;1436831655;asciilifeform;just like the rest of the 'civilized' world 1199815;1436831662;asciilifeform;and, esp., its outskirts 1199816;1436831673;mircea_popescu;i'd do it, honestly. 1199817;1436831695;asciilifeform;easy, when you don't need the 'normality' for anything. 1199818;1436831714;mircea_popescu;not nearly enough beheaded politicos in a whole decade to pay for one single week. 1199819;1436831728;punkman;we kinda run out of terrorist in the last few years 1199820;1436831735;punkman;*terrorists 1199821;1436831741;trinque;shortages everywhere... *sigh* 1199822;1436831748;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1199823;1436831750;mircea_popescu;zing. 1199824;1436831750;pete_dushenski;except in syria 1199825;1436831795;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Organization_17_November#Victims 1199826;1436831795;assbot;Revolutionary Organization 17 November - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1M77WsV ) 1199827;1436831795;mircea_popescu;aite, so then time to move the greeks off to the zoo. 1199828;1436831805;asciilifeform;they were ever out of the zoo ? 1199829;1436831811;mircea_popescu;yes 1199830;1436831833;mircea_popescu;last time i was in athens, these objectionable things were all over the acropolis, filling the cafes, pretending they're like human beings an' everything. 1199831;1436831841;mircea_popescu;apparently i wasn't the only foreigner disgusted by the display. 1199832;1436831856;asciilifeform;which ? 1199833;1436831878;mircea_popescu;teh locals 1199834;1436831936;pete_dushenski;http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/48967.html << 'Shoeshine boy trading club, China chapter' is a kid on... bitcoinwisdom 1199835;1436831937;assbot;Chicago Boyz » Blog Archive » Sic Transit Gloria China ... ( http://bit.ly/1M782Rm ) 1199836;1436831983;pete_dushenski;bananacoin trader 1199837;1436832001;mircea_popescu;o.O 1199838;1436832004;pete_dushenski;http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/04-overflow/20150424_china.jpg << direct link 1199839;1436832004;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7877s ) 1199840;1436832027;punkman;looks shopped 1199841;1436832079;trinque;screen is kinda bright for outside eh? 1199842;1436832083;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199825 << not all greeks wanted to live in a natoreich zoo, aha. 1199843;1436832083;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 23:56:35; punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Organization_17_November#Victims 1199844;1436832092;trinque;otoh china is smoghell 1199845;1436832178;mircea_popescu;punkman anyway, terrorism's useless for this purpose. 1199846;1436832191;mircea_popescu;gotta convict them to be beheaded, along with the entire fambly, through plain legal proceedings. 1199847;1436832196;mircea_popescu;then carry it out. 1199848;1436832382;punkman;gonna be a long wait for that 1199849;1436832596;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 1199850;1436832617;punkman;the terrorists never did much anyway, firebomb here and there every few weeks for a while 1199851;1436832646;punkman;very few casualties 1199852;1436832767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37701 @ 0.00053428 = 20.1429 BTC [+] {3} 1199853;1436832772;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.info/fm30-31b/FM30-31B.htm << relevant historical mega-l0l 1199854;1436832773;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HErFsD ) 1199855;1436832774;mircea_popescu;iirc they killed some cia dude then tapered off after that 1199856;1436832821;asciilifeform;(Official Truth holds that 'field manual 30-31b' is a ru forgery) 1199857;1436832823;punkman;CIA station chief was their first one, then they killed some people in the 80s 1199858;1436832828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46399 @ 0.00054175 = 25.1367 BTC [+] {4} 1199859;1436832936;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/cia-FM30-31B.htm << moar re: same. 1199860;1436832938;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEs5z8 ) 1199861;1436833038;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1199862;1436833039;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.05, Best ask: 291.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 291.28, 24 hour volume: 74167.38437043, 24 hour low: 281.5, 24 hour high: 312.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1199863;1436833095;punkman;"the Baris journalist who had come into the possession of FM 30-31B disappeared and was never heard of again" 1199864;1436833112;punkman;but it's totally a soviet forgery 1199865;1436833138;asciilifeform;'The Pentagon document first surfaced in Turkey in 1973 where the newspaper Baris in the midst of a whole range of mysterious acts of violence and brutality which shocked the Turkish society announced the publication of a secretive US document. Thereafter the Baris journalist who had come into the possession of FM 30-31B disappeared and was never heard of again. Despite the apparent danger Turkish Colonel Talat Turhan two year 1199866;1436833138;asciilifeform;s later published a Turkish translation of the top-secret FM 30-31 and revealed that in Turkey NATOs secret stay-behind army was codenamed Counter-Guerrilla directed by the Special Warfare Department. From Turkey the document found its way to Spain where in 1976 the newspaper Triunfo, despite heavy pressures to prevent the publication, published excerpts of FM 30-31B upon the fall of the Franco dictatorship. In Italy 1199867;1436833139;asciilifeform;on 27 October 1978 excerpts of FM 30-31B were published by the political magazine L'Europeo, whereupon the printed issues of the magazine were confiscated. The breakthrough for the document came arguably not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s, when in Italy the secret anticommunist P2 Freemason lodge of Licio Gelli was discovered. Among the documents seized by the Italian police ranged also FM 30-31B. The Italian parliamentary inv 1199868;1436833146;asciilifeform;estigation into P2 decided to publish FM 30-31B in the appendix of the final public parliamentary report on P2 in 1987.' 1199869;1436833163;*;asciilifeform read the whole thing and observes that if it is a scam, it is a very high quality scam 1199870;1436833256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112852 @ 0.00054015 = 60.957 BTC [-] 1199871;1436833256;trinque;someday... it's going to be either the longest or shortest trial there ever was 1199872;1436833288;asciilifeform;who will try these folks? martians ? 1199873;1436833294;asciilifeform;or 'the beoble' ? 1199874;1436833377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00054542 = 51.5967 BTC [+] {4} 1199875;1436833405;trinque;who knows what the future will bring 1199876;1436833491;mircea_popescu;nothing is ever more common than the delusional notion that "these people" will escape. 1199877;1436833497;mircea_popescu;it hasn't yet occured to date anyone did escape. 1199878;1436833510;mircea_popescu;yet it hasn't yet occured to date anyone skipped on the "impossibru" sauce, either. 1199879;1436833565;asciilifeform; it hasn't yet occured to date anyone did escape. << if 'escape' means 'die of old age, not beheading, and pass throne to successor' than hardly any of 'these people' ever ~did not~ escape.. 1199880;1436833574;asciilifeform;am i thick or what. i dun get it 1199881;1436833585;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1199882;1436833587;trinque;uk ruled the whole world; look at them now 1199883;1436833593;trinque;from where I sit they got theirs 1199884;1436833607;asciilifeform;anglos still rule their reich 1199885;1436833613;asciilifeform;just a different branch of family tree 1199886;1436833625;asciilifeform;smooth change of management, w/out skipping a beat 1199887;1436833626;trinque;maybe so, and maybe someone will say that's still true of the next thing 1199888;1436833634;mircea_popescu;someone will definitely say that. 1199889;1436833639;mircea_popescu;easiest thing in the world to say, after all. 1199890;1436833697;asciilifeform;^ incidentally, this touches on what imho was the major reason for the appeal of the soviet offering in the 'turd world.' 1199891;1436833707;asciilifeform;namely, that, whatever else could be said about it, 1199892;1436833714;asciilifeform;no one could confuse it with the anglo offerings. 1199893;1436833802;mircea_popescu;no shortage of the confused. 1199894;1436833883;asciilifeform;who and where ? 1199895;1436833888;BingoBoingo;Kicks, further documented http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2643 1199896;1436833889;assbot;JL: Entitlement Based Aggression ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEvcr1 ) 1199897;1436833970;mircea_popescu;"This has become the case with many white employees in retain food establishments who spend their shifts being harangued, threatened and demeaned by hate-spewing black customers who typically spend more on groceries in a visit than many retail food employees make in two weeks. Being a white employee in a city supermarket is like being a peasant on a medieval lords land." 1199898;1436833974;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is this a race issue ? 1199899;1436833984;mircea_popescu;servants getting uppity ffs. 1199900;1436834000;mircea_popescu;guy's got money and you're the clerk. go suck his fucking cock omfg. 1199901;1436834019;asciilifeform;because when the colours are reversed, 'omg111!!111!!1' r4c1sm!! 1199902;1436834026;mircea_popescu;of course being an employee in a supermarket is being a peasant on a lord's land. that is EXACTLY what it is. 1199903;1436834039;mircea_popescu;also exactly what it should be. 1199904;1436834066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh mkay, let's fix stupid by being stupid the other way!!1 1199905;1436834079;trinque;#killallmen 1199906;1436834098;mircea_popescu;wtf's next, we're all equal to the supermarket bozo and #holdhands ? 1199907;1436834169;mircea_popescu;anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo. 1199908;1436834170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00053767 = 46.5085 BTC [-] 1199909;1436834190;mircea_popescu;i suppose he doesn't know this, but hey, his loss. 1199910;1436834192;trinque;god damn that cat in the sandal is hilarious 1199911;1436834197;trinque;4th time opening it 1199912;1436834217;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2015cd0f31424b30b7022c8ac229cefa/tumblr_n82k4dCqBH1t0jb24o1_1280.jpg 1199913;1436834220;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEwemN ) 1199914;1436834353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00051702 = 15.614 BTC [-] 1199915;1436834411;BingoBoingo; anyway, petty supermarket hostility bs. guy has better posts imo. << Supermarket guy is rightly in a low place. Welafare orcs excessively elevated. It's this sort of mess that will take Aztalan all the way to Long Island. 1199916;1436834463;mircea_popescu;i dunno dude, seems nuts to me. some derp wishes to justify his being an asshole to some woman on the grounds of wide reaching sociodynamics ? 1199917;1436834475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12015 @ 0.00052569 = 6.3162 BTC [+] 1199918;1436834480;mircea_popescu;what, he's a faitful soldier in the war of whitehood against the evil blacks through not holding the door to some woman ? 1199919;1436834497;mircea_popescu;some people are born to die on plastic carpeting under fluorescent lights srsly. 1199920;1436834550;BingoBoingo;Dude seems rather obviously nuts, but it seems a symptom of the larger American decay. 1199921;1436834556;mircea_popescu;there was some random retard of equivalent potency i loled at the expense of on trilema. this one was on a trip about how he "is trying to live to the server's expectations" or some shit in a restaurant. 1199922;1436834570;mircea_popescu;the issues people have in their own heads, when those heads are squarely devoid of anything worthwhile... 1199923;1436834588;mircea_popescu;hanbot do you recall which article that was ? 1199924;1436834593;asciilifeform;from my reading, this is one of those 'nouveau poor', if you will. the absolute most abjectly miserable thing to be in usistan. 1199925;1436834601;mircea_popescu;FOR HIS SINS 1199926;1436834623;mircea_popescu;he's supposed to go "i'm a fuckwad of a lifeform, and not only i deserve every bit of the shit i get, but if i keep course there's going to be more" 1199927;1436834628;asciilifeform;folks with no experience of 'orcraft', of navigating that world, and having all the 'wrong' 'branded on the tongue' class markers, habits, etc. which set the buggers off 1199928;1436834632;mircea_popescu;not this retarded "blacks made me be stupid and lousy" nonsense 1199929;1436834676;mircea_popescu;asshole comes from a three generations line of jwz "i only wanted to...", and now he doesn't like the just dessers ? 1199930;1436834678;mircea_popescu;fuck him. 1199931;1436834684;mircea_popescu;should have beheaded tsipras when he had the chance. 1199932;1436834692;asciilifeform;beheaded hamilton. 1199933;1436834696;mircea_popescu;whosoever. 1199934;1436834707;asciilifeform;(the actual plot of a famous 'alt-history' in usa) 1199935;1436834708;mircea_popescu;lincoln, really, but anyway. 1199936;1436834730;asciilifeform;'the probability broach' 1199937;1436834754;asciilifeform;was even turned into a comic book.. 1199938;1436834792;asciilifeform;http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn << now phree on publisher's www. 1199939;1436834793;assbot;Big Head Press - Thoughtful Stories, Graphic Novels Online And In Print - The Probability Broach: The Graphic Novel, by L. Neil Smith and Scott Bieser ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZrrkg ) 1199940;1436834795;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy 1199941;1436834808;BingoBoingo;Millions of noveau poor USians emerge from school every year disadvantaged because they went to "good" schools in the suburbs that insulated them from orcraft 1199942;1436834829;mircea_popescu;i thought us supermarkets all have those sliding autodoors anyway, specifically to deal with the ever growing social awkwardness of usians. 1199943;1436834837;trinque;sucks to be them; I went to those shitty suburban schools too 1199944;1436834843;asciilifeform;doors - sop 1199945;1436834850;asciilifeform;but the people still meet. 1199946;1436834857;mircea_popescu;the fucking problems to have, seriously. 1199947;1436834869;mircea_popescu;they're in kindergarten, there's no other way to look at it. 1199948;1436834880;mircea_popescu;they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes. 1199949;1436834903;BingoBoingo; they're in kindergarten and they're whacking each other over the head with the cubes. << Seriously can't even have a good riot 1199950;1436834983;mircea_popescu;anyway, alf's point re the recent poor is well taken 1199951;1436834991;mircea_popescu;what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs. 1199952;1436835002;mircea_popescu;THEY are to blame, for having believed bush or whoever the fuck they believed. 1199953;1436835003;trinque;because they're there, and different 1199954;1436835008;trinque;nothing more 1199955;1436835009;mircea_popescu;in any case, the blacks WERE THERE 1199956;1436835016;asciilifeform;they will take it out on themselves once a hitler shows up to help with this process. 1199957;1436835019;mircea_popescu;like, before. and for that matter, know the terrain a lot better. 1199958;1436835045;mircea_popescu;i suppose these are the same typically retarded usians that go to india and blame the indians for their inability to dowhatever X they wish to do. 1199959;1436835058;BingoBoingo; what i don't understand is why do they take it out on the blacks ffs. << noveau poor envies the comforts of the old poor 1199960;1436835065;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo has it 1199961;1436835073;mircea_popescu;not like black dude cold-called you and persuaded you to be poor, motherfuckar! 1199962;1436835078;mircea_popescu;it was your state senator, go talk to him. 1199963;1436835080;asciilifeform;usa was a very different-flavoured place under the old white gov. 1199964;1436835086;mircea_popescu;yaya 1199965;1436835128;trinque;cowards, simple as that. 1199966;1436835129;BingoBoingo;Mostly noveau poor lacks the refinement of the old poor which prevents them from going full orc and riding the welfare train 1199967;1436835131;mircea_popescu;if white bitches spent more time learning how to twerk at age 6, perhaps anyone'd give a lot more of a shit about the problems of white trash. 1199968;1436835149;hanbot; hanbot do you recall which article that was ? < i apparently don't 1199969;1436835158;trinque;americans are subconsciously terrified of their own govt 1199970;1436835158;mircea_popescu;what, he's special or something ? can't fit a shoeshine box in his hands ? 1199971;1436835162;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not just. all sorts of bureaucratic gears won't turn for you if you have wrong face 1199972;1436835167;trinque;they simultaneously derive some kind of self-esteem from this fact 1199973;1436835181;trinque;so no, they're not going to lash out at the monster, just some weird looking guy if they run across one 1199974;1436835183;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so don't hold open the door to THAT OFFICE then! 1199975;1436835195;mircea_popescu;trinque or an incapacitated woman with children, why not 1199976;1436835199;mircea_popescu;what's she gonna do, bleed on you ? 1199977;1436835209;trinque;yeah 1199978;1436835230;trinque;the louder my "countrymen" shout about nonsense the more I smell pissed pants 1199979;1436835233;mircea_popescu;dude's such a public danger, why doesn't he go around at night through the ghetto bumping into derps and immitating anything they say! 1199980;1436835254;mircea_popescu;(yes, i used to do that, at that age. it was fun, fwiww.) 1199981;1436835276;trinque;why's every american an anxiety-ridden, pill-popping nutcase? 1199982;1436835296;mircea_popescu;that's what i wanna know! 1199983;1436835296;trinque;couldn't possibly be the unpredictable insanity of the economic system, or the brutal, violent govt 1199984;1436835299;trinque;probably the black bitch 1199985;1436835305;mircea_popescu;trinque, abbot, costello &mp 1199986;1436835319;trinque;heh 1199987;1436835321;hanbot;mircea_popescu scratch that, comments section of fried chicken: http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ 1199988;1436835322;assbot;Fried chicken on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZsbWH ) 1199989;1436835338;mircea_popescu;hanbot oh right! i knew we had a lol at that thing 1199990;1436835451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116100 @ 0.00052869 = 61.3809 BTC [+] {3} 1199991;1436835512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ironically enough, with a beheaded hamilton the us would still to this day be a sort of congo. 1199992;1436835532;mircea_popescu;the brief excursion into world relevancy of the shithole in question is wholly owed to hamilton & co. 1199993;1436835538;mircea_popescu;the "evil bankers & capitalists" 1199994;1436835563;mircea_popescu;true enough that it doesn't seem to last, congo is congo. but... it was a decent trip, for as long as it lasted. 1199995;1436835703;punkman;I got a couple scamcalls from the Congo few months ago 1199996;1436835758;mircea_popescu;bride ? 1199997;1436835785;punkman;no idea, didn't pick up in time, just saw them in logs 1199998;1436835803;mircea_popescu;twist : punkman's half brother has been in prison in congo since feb 1199999;1436835873;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i wonder if this is going to lead to a new musical genre off the old superhero comics tree. just like destitute niggers had their stupid gangsta shit. 1200000;1436835884;mircea_popescu;christian glam rock bands singin' about how they don't hold doors open at supermarket 1200001;1436835897;mircea_popescu;"whatever... i slam doors and i kill people! it's my hot country and i do what i want!" 1200002;1436835902;trinque;there's some kind of shitty white supremacist "punk" I think 1200003;1436835937;trinque;I've long wondered where all the supposed neonazis are; met one a while back and I think all he did was shoot guns and get tattoes 1200004;1436835946;mircea_popescu;should make for some pretty easy enthusiastic teenage poon, if it ever takes off. 1200005;1436836148;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I don't see how it doesn't happen as I only anticipate the rape of white trash to increase. 1200006;1436836164;mircea_popescu;i dunno... there really aren't that many blacks. 1200007;1436836172;trinque;it's strange; there's something similar between the guy's door-holding and the utter lack of any dangerous subculture 1200008;1436836188;trinque;as if all we can do is "act as if X" 1200009;1436836211;trinque;somebody more well-read could identify what's malfunctioning in american identity-synthesis there 1200010;1436836234;mircea_popescu;!s not a country 1200011;1436836295;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=not+a+country 1200012;1436836295;mircea_popescu;who was i having this discussion with ? 1200013;1436836295;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's going to be a lot more Chinese. It also really doesn't help the newer generations of white trash that they are ill equipped mentally, physically, and morally to cope. 1200014;1436836295;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah, what you said about a country being a place where young men know who they are, it's right on the mark 1200015;1436836295;trinque;I considered that particular line for a long while after 1200016;1436836295;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo on the positive side, all good things ever come out of an ill equipped kid stuck in a blender. 1200017;1436836316;BingoBoingo;Of course. 1200018;1436836361;kakobrekla;the timeout on the search is outrageous. 1200019;1436836375;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla mthreat said it's being moved to another server. 1200020;1436836412;kakobrekla;aha, i had that particular http request in mind, but good to know 1200021;1436836448;kakobrekla;60 seconds, exactly. 1200022;1436836487;mircea_popescu;trinque and that's what multiculturalism actually is, ftr. given that it is SO COMPLICATED to have a cultural superstructure that allows any semblance of passible solution to that, and given that any sort of formal proof of superiority and inferiority ~AMONG THAT SET~, strictly, strictly among that set is so hopeless, 1200023;1436836503;mircea_popescu;you're way the fuck better off just letting everybody use their own answers than trying to force some sort of homogenity. 1200024;1436836543;mircea_popescu;obviously you can't have "multiculturalism" among things that aren't even subcultures, let alone cultures in their own right. 1200025;1436836575;mircea_popescu;but go explain to taleb why he should stop wearing the facial hair style he does. because why ? reasons ? he got reasons too. 1200026;1436836720;BingoBoingo;;;google knockout game 1200027;1436836721;gribble;Knockout game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Man Punches Pregnant Woman In Brutal 'Knockout Game' Attack ...: ; Pregnant woman sucker-punched in unprovoked attack | New York ...: modified how ? << with stator, I needed to add back in 'no-shared', according to http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation this is required for us (probably). And I also needed to modify your line `cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;` to `cd bitcoin/src;`. All of the things are in the build log, I tried not to leave anything out. 1200208;1436841229;assbot;Compilation and Installation - OpenSSLWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY67An ) 1200209;1436841257;ag3nt_zer0;several months back I was at the plug and play bitcoin meetup... Nathaniel Popper was there talking about his book... anyway, after the talk I was standing in line to ask him to clarify something when this familiar-looking chap gets in line behind me. asks me who what etc... 1200210;1436841260;mod6;Those were the only changes to stator that were required to make it fit with the release artifact. 1200211;1436841297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74689 @ 0.00053922 = 40.2738 BTC [+] {2} 1200212;1436841310;mod6;thx trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et al. :] 1200213;1436841358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198721 @ 0.00055277 = 109.847 BTC [+] {5} 1200214;1436841419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182100 @ 0.000534 = 97.2414 BTC [-] {4} 1200215;1436841437;ag3nt_zer0;at the time I was all zigzagged about Trilema and so I asked him if he had heard of it... he scanned the files that the eye accesses when it looks down/right and there was a spark... he said "what's that?"... I said "dunno, run by this guy Mircea something or other"... he said "oh, that guy doesnt like me"... later he asked for my number and when he pulled out his phone I saw his name was Tim Swanson 1200216;1436841489;BingoBoingo;!b 1 1200217;1436841490;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TF5RBP.txt ) 1200218;1436841526;ag3nt_zer0;trivial perhaps, and not to make fun of him, but I thought it was pretty funny... 1200219;1436841642;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 1200220;1436841643;assbot;ProxyHam anonymising router project mysteriously closed down - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1eY72kr ) 1200221;1436841660;decimation;ag3nt_zer0: was already done, look in the logs 1200222;1436841928;ag3nt_zer0;decimation: thanks. guess I should make that a habit before posting here... 1200223;1436841953;trinque;'tis the custom 1200224;1436841967;cazalla;i think the tim swanson story more than makes up for it ag3nt_zer0 1200225;1436842026;ag3nt_zer0;hehe 1200226;1436842029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51444 @ 0.00055465 = 28.5334 BTC [+] {2} 1200227;1436842090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117256 @ 0.00055519 = 65.0994 BTC [+] 1200228;1436842335;asciilifeform;mod6: rather peculiar that you had to add in 'no-shared' - witness that there are no shared deps in my executable (attached to 'stator' post on ml) 1200229;1436842571;mod6;well, actually, I didn't /have/ to at all. 1200230;1436842585;mod6;every time i've built the 'stator' before, the output binary was fine. 1200231;1436842594;asciilifeform;mod6: have you made any experiment to learn whether binary changes at all when this flag is set ? 1200232;1436842599;asciilifeform;might be interesting 1200233;1436842611;mod6;statically built. but I recall going through this in march how we needed that in there... just maybe overly paranoid. 1200234;1436842637;mod6;<@asciilifeform> might be interesting << i have not, as of yet. 1200235;1436842646;trinque;didn't openssl itself have some derpy module-loader thing? 1200236;1436842646;mod6;would be easy for me to try now though. 1200237;1436842653;trinque;perhaps the flag enables/disables that 1200238;1436842804;decimation;yes, openssl had a dynamic library loader flag 1200239;1436842817;asciilifeform;aha 1200240;1436842820;asciilifeform;what was it 1200241;1436842833;decimation;sigh, search is down 1200242;1436842863;asciilifeform;no-dso iirc 1200243;1436842864;mircea_popescu; I have created a simple build script << you may consider signing some of the things you pull 1200244;1436842872;asciilifeform;^^^ 1200245;1436842883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00055519 = 6.6068 BTC [+] 1200246;1436842890;asciilifeform;pleez folks, sign 1200247;1436842895;asciilifeform;if you read, understood - sign. 1200248;1436842907;mod6;sign the patches before pulling? 1200249;1436842907;asciilifeform;can sign and say 'this is a bad idea', note 1200250;1436842914;mod6;this is for *Experimental* only. 1200251;1436842915;asciilifeform;doesn't imply endorsement 1200252;1436842929;decimation;yeah no-dso http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation 1200253;1436842930;assbot;Compilation and Installation - OpenSSLWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZBy91 ) 1200254;1436842930;mod6;I only stamp approval at release time. 1200255;1436842963;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 i dun particularly care one way or the other. the discussion's in teh logs which atm can't be searched it seems. 1200256;1436842970;asciilifeform;a signature from a reasonably literate wot face, 'i read this and it made sense', is worth something. 1200257;1436842974;asciilifeform;to me, at least. 1200258;1436842982;decimation;mthreat explained his hosting guy forgot to pay the bills 1200259;1436842989;ag3nt_zer0;yeah was just gonna say search not working 1200260;1436843006;mod6;There are some very far reaching effects of the patches applied in these build logs. They appear to "work", but as of yet, they're basically untested. 1200261;1436843016;mircea_popescu;mod6 not strongarming you 1200262;1436843021;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199502 << thread 1200263;1436843021;assbot;Logged on 13-07-2015 18:43:01; ascii_field: http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 << other lulz of the day 1200264;1436843036;mod6;not taken that way :] 1200265;1436843053;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: yes I found that... thx 1200266;1436843059;asciilifeform;mod6: thus far the longest-running test is the s.nsa node. 1200267;1436843072;asciilifeform;it features my entire shebang through 'stator'. 1200268;1436843073;mod6;that's good! 1200269;1436843124;ag3nt_zer0;was just looking up z86 heh 1200270;1436843125;asciilifeform;presently 47 connections, incl. a bunch of cn, interestingly 1200271;1436843147;mircea_popescu;nb. 1200272;1436843149;ag3nt_zer0;z80 1200273;1436843165;asciilifeform;usually hovers between 35-50 1200274;1436843214;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pay it a visit, log in, see if spot anybody you know... 1200275;1436843232;mircea_popescu;eh, im working on an eulora release rightnao 1200276;1436843241;asciilifeform;neat 1200277;1436843287;mod6;ok building again without 'no-shared' for binary examination 1200278;1436843357;mod6;<@asciilifeform> doesn't imply endorsement << ok. i was just under the impression that's excatly what it meant. 1200279;1436843383;mod6;I emboss cryptographically, stating that I've read, comprehended, approved and would apply in my own battlestation. 1200280;1436843403;asciilifeform;normally folks say why they're signing something 1200281;1436843406;asciilifeform;when they sign it 1200282;1436843423;mod6;That's fair if it has a disclaimer. 1200283;1436843441;mod6;lol, guess I just didn't wanna clutter up the turdomatic or confuse anyone either. 1200284;1436843455;asciilifeform;compared to most similar boards, it is practically empty 1200285;1436843469;asciilifeform;(imho a 'feature, not bug') 1200286;1436843484;mod6;less is more, as always. if there's too much in there, it's less likely to be read. 1200287;1436843485;asciilifeform;has plenty of room for assorted strange. 1200288;1436843492;asciilifeform;without becoming crowded. 1200289;1436843538;mod6;I see, we just have a bit different view of the thing. I only wanna send stuff in that I can pretty much stand behind. 1200290;1436843552;mod6;One of the resasons that I haven't even posted the gentoo build guide to the list either. 1200291;1436843613;mod6;I've tested it, trinque has tested it, but we need a third party to independantly verify so I know what I'm publishing there is as correct as it can be. 1200292;1436843671;mod6;I'll give this some further thought going forward. I don't wanna hold off on pulling the trigger on this stuff if all I need is simple skull & cross bones. 1200293;1436843697;trinque;I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 1200294;1436843700;asciilifeform;feel free to use a different graphic if the old 'jolly roger' has gotten boring 1200295;1436843702;trinque;with some note 1200296;1436843707;trinque;ascii-dickbutt 1200297;1436843718;mod6;asciilifeform: noted. 1200298;1436843776;mod6;<+trinque> I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 << in that it would have been 1/2 of the foundation's official seal? 1200299;1436843816;mod6;i thought so too. and it's a credit to my trust of asciilifeform that I verify his signature, and we have a L1 trust between us. 1200300;1436843847;mod6;eh, that was poorly worded. I think you all understand my meaning. 1200301;1436843862;asciilifeform;trust & fuzzies is great, but i'd really like folks to start reading the patches 1200302;1436843868;asciilifeform;(mod6 does. ben_vulpes? who else) 1200303;1436843870;asciilifeform;trinque? 1200304;1436843870;trinque;I mean that it indelibly marks the text in question with the involvement of the signers 1200305;1436843891;asciilifeform;and yes, after read, and think - sign. 1200306;1436843895;trinque;I do read the mailing list, yes 1200307;1436843901;asciilifeform;'i read this, grasped it' 1200308;1436843914;asciilifeform;or even 'i read this and it made no fucking sense and wtf' 1200309;1436843925;trinque;oh that reminds me 1200310;1436843938;trinque;jurov: tls outbound smtp for the mailing list plz? 1200311;1436843945;trinque;should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf 1200312;1436843951;trinque;(if postfix) 1200313;1436843968;trinque;for no better reason than I've required it on my end and it cut spam by 100x 1200314;1436843970;asciilifeform;trinque: why was this needed ? 1200315;1436843976;asciilifeform;hm 1200316;1436843977;mod6;asciilifeform: point taken. glad we talked about it. and yeah, very much so read and examine every patch. 1200317;1436843987;asciilifeform;trinque: it's also how you get the next 'hearbleed' on your box 1200318;1436843993;asciilifeform;*heart 1200319;1436843996;trinque;yeah that is true 1200320;1436844013;asciilifeform;this atmosphere where 'gotta have ssl or else' is an engineered product 1200321;1436844024;trinque;sure, I wasn't saying that 1200322;1436844024;asciilifeform;i advocate - resistance. 1200323;1436844031;trinque;the box was getting ass-blasted with spam 1200324;1436844036;asciilifeform;there are other ways to filter spam, no ? 1200325;1436844042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00054366 = 4.7842 BTC [-] 1200326;1436844044;trinque;sure, was running spamassassin and whatnot 1200327;1436844052;trinque;your point about heartbleed is well taken 1200328;1436844120;asciilifeform;i also have a habit, of compulsively re-reading own patches 1200329;1436844123;asciilifeform;to see if made a mistake. 1200330;1436844127;asciilifeform;i recommend this habit. 1200331;1436844151;mod6;it does help. i often have to come back to it like a day later and re-read my own stuff for the 9th time. 1200332;1436844160;asciilifeform;a mistake that is owned up to, before it sinks any ships - can perhaps be accepted as a mistake, and forgiven 1200333;1436844164;asciilifeform;not sure about other kinds 1200334;1436844167;asciilifeform;as the war heats up. 1200335;1436844172;mod6;also more eyes help too. sometimes we all miss stuff. 1200336;1436844225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00054366 = 12.9119 BTC [-] 1200337;1436844328;trinque;I'm off; gnite gents 1200338;1436844333;mod6;night trinque 1200339;1436844338;asciilifeform;later 1200340;1436844414;mod6;I'll make an effort this week to sign the patches I've read and understand, even if still experimental at this time. 1200341;1436844461;asciilifeform;i recall that last we spoke of this, folks signed and noticed that jurov's patch sig widget didn't eat them correctly 1200342;1436844463;asciilifeform;and stopped 1200343;1436844463;mod6;and I'll find a new ascii art instead of the jolly roger ;) 1200344;1436844469;asciilifeform;possibly i misremember. 1200345;1436844475;asciilifeform;check, when search comes back 1200346;1436844515;mod6;ah, yeah... hm. I believe when I went to sign all the patches from the last release, I had to pull the patches, and then sign them as if I had wrote them myself for them to be accepted. 1200347;1436844534;mod6;They needed to basically have the same SHA1s as the originals, with my own detatched sig. 1200348;1436844613;mod6;Anyway, yah, will take a look when search comes back. 1200349;1436844635;mod6;Someday, we're gonna get the kinks worked out of this system. 1200350;1436844652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87466 @ 0.00054424 = 47.6025 BTC [+] {2} 1200351;1436844736;mod6;ok this build is just about done... 1200352;1436844902;ag3nt_zer0;good night 1200353;1436844926;mod6;ni 1200354;1436844942;ag3nt_zer0;whoops that was for trinque... hadn' scrolled 1200355;1436844981;phf;ben_vulpes: http://glyf.org/screenshots/eulora3.png! 1200356;1436844982;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1CB8eW2 ) 1200357;1436845033;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, compile complete. 1200358;1436845153;asciilifeform;http://janestreet.github.io << unrelated l0lpharm, for connoisseurs of 'functional' prog. styles 1200359;1436845154;assbot;Open Source @ Jane Street ... ( http://bit.ly/1CB8p3M ) 1200360;1436845177;mod6;welp, they do hvae differenet hashes. that at least is obv. 1200361;1436845195;asciilifeform;mod6: hexdump -C, then diff 1200362;1436845297;mod6;ok, i was just gonna do a quick `xxd | less` and look at 'em side by side. 1200363;1436845546;mod6;ok looking through the hexdump -C diff now.... 1200364;1436845595;asciilifeform;mod6: also worth comparing objdump output 1200365;1436845603;asciilifeform;probably oughta begin there, vs the hex 1200366;1436845691;*;asciilifeform bbl 1200367;1436845718;mod6;yeah, i thought about that first actually. but gotta recompile since bins are striped 1200368;1436845734;mod6;*stripped 1200369;1436845952;mod6;i'll tackle that tomorrow i think. 1200370;1436846033;mod6;night all! 1200371;1436846346;ag3nt_zer0;Gute Nacht! 1200372;1436846604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67637 @ 0.00055146 = 37.2991 BTC [+] {2} 1200373;1436846970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00055533 = 17.0764 BTC [+] {2} 1200374;1436847059;mircea_popescu;holy shit phf you found wooly mushroom ?! 1200375;1436847824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00055536 = 28.9065 BTC [+] 1200376;1436848185;phf;i will neither confirm nor deny it until i understand the implications :> 1200377;1436848418;danielpbarron;i'll buy your keys+enumerations 1200378;1436848678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49636 @ 0.00054258 = 26.9315 BTC [-] {2} 1200379;1436848816;phf;speaking of, why are keys get turned into little bit o' nothings? 1200380;1436849048;mircea_popescu;nothing's forever. 1200381;1436849051;mircea_popescu;!up moneycat 1200382;1436849065;mircea_popescu;phf http://trilema.com/2015/an-image-worth-ten-thousand-words-of-sadness/ << implications 1200383;1436849066;assbot;An image worth ten thousand words of sadness. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdHlSN ) 1200384;1436849227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114400 @ 0.00055561 = 63.5618 BTC [+] {2} 1200385;1436849715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66762 @ 0.0005416 = 36.1583 BTC [-] 1200386;1436849837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00053454 = 21.9161 BTC [-] {2} 1200387;1436850921;cazalla;mircea_popescu, is this ddos on qntra or something else? 1200388;1436850927;mircea_popescu;ddos. 1200389;1436850947;mircea_popescu;its up right now neh ? 1200390;1436851846;cazalla;not from here 1200391;1436851995;BingoBoingo;Seems down 1200392;1436852232;mircea_popescu;now it is lol 1200393;1436852255;mircea_popescu;actually... i see it. 1200394;1436852259;mircea_popescu;slow tho. 1200395;1436852460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00054874 = 16.6817 BTC [+] 1200396;1436852755;phf;well, that was my first eulora drama, came back to find my future fortune literally crumble to little bits o' nothing. tracked the coordinates, explored.. nothing. literally feels like i just frantically dug a bunch of earth looking for wooly mushrooms that are no longer there 1200397;1436852789;mircea_popescu;aw! why didn't you dig therm up on the spot like ? 1200398;1436852860;phf;i had no time to, i was enjoying the scenery :) 1200399;1436852864;mircea_popescu;lol 1200400;1436852872;mircea_popescu;sucks, the mushrooms are in short supply. 1200401;1436852948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00055472 = 19.1101 BTC [+] 1200402;1436852960;phf;scuffed up my pick for nothing too. eulora is unforgiving! 1200403;1436853104;mircea_popescu;well... so how do youi like the scenery ? 1200404;1436853365;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1200405;1436853366;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 289.0, Best ask: 289.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 289.0, 24 hour volume: 69603.92785995, 24 hour low: 281.5, 24 hour high: 308.8, 24 hour vwap: None 1200406;1436853375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20019 @ 0.00055472 = 11.1049 BTC [+] 1200407;1436853441;phf;it's amusing, old school. reminds me of early 3d rpgs. i didn't realize how small the island is though. needs more scenery 1200408;1436853525;mircea_popescu;incientally, you can lock claims you know ? 1200409;1436853542;phf;mircea_popescu: oh, then and they stick around? 1200410;1436853552;mircea_popescu;ya 1200411;1436853618;mircea_popescu;anyway, as the population progresses there's gonna be moar maps, but atm too noobish :D 1200412;1436853629;mircea_popescu;you folk haven't even built a ship yet! 1200413;1436853634;phf;:o 1200414;1436853665;mircea_popescu;or an escherian trestlework even 1200415;1436853672;phf;i saw someone's tent so i assume that was possible, but a ship 1200416;1436853757;phf;are you thinking of extending the same map, or completely new locations via teleports or such? 1200417;1436853862;mircea_popescu;the latter. 1200418;1436853863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00055472 = 15.6986 BTC [+] 1200419;1436853925;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole thing is very much player driven. for instance, out of the ~dozen skills available, afaik players found like .. 4 so far ? i guess 5. 1200420;1436853960;mircea_popescu;there's going to be an update this week adding more, but i doubt anyone's gonna see it this month. maybe. depends how seriously ppl play. 1200421;1436854034;mircea_popescu;and generally, i expect expansions to be there long before anyone actually reached the point where they can play them 1200422;1436854040;mircea_popescu;at least, that's the intended strategy. 1200423;1436854148;phf;well, my initial impression is that it would be hard to discover all the available functionality 1200424;1436854177;BingoBoingo;Does Eulora have chairs yet, so that they may be stacked for space exploration purposes? 1200425;1436854186;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yes. 1200426;1436854204;phf;i started with help, but there wasn't even a mention of mining, and some of the commands that are in help are not implemented (e.g. /dig) 1200427;1436854206;mircea_popescu;crucial tool for mcguyvering too. 1200428;1436854219;mircea_popescu;phf yeah the helpfile as bundled with the client is a mess atm. 1200429;1436854253;phf;oh i thought that was pulled from the server 1200430;1436854271;mircea_popescu;if you read the first node, which is really all that i've bothered with, it even tells you the location on disk 1200431;1436854274;mircea_popescu;make your own :D 1200432;1436854288;phf;ha 1200433;1436854315;phf;"lock yo shit!" 1200434;1436854356;mircea_popescu;it'll get wiped eventually even if locked, but you get more than the unlocked hour. 1200435;1436854412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83137 @ 0.00055533 = 46.1685 BTC [+] {4} 1200436;1436854437;mircea_popescu;anyway, the current eulora problem as far as miners are concerned is : there's a single shot very powerful mining tool, which seems like the oinly hope to acquire essential resources choking toolmaking and cooking. since these are in short supply, people are working to make a map of known resources, so as to explore the unknown spots 1200437;1436854444;mircea_popescu;so you can help with that. 1200438;1436854473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146113 @ 0.00055648 = 81.309 BTC [+] {3} 1200439;1436854513;mircea_popescu;or alternatively you could find someone to sell you the crafting starter item and try to get skill starter drops 1200440;1436854520;mircea_popescu;which has also been pretty slow. 1200441;1436854627;phf;it's very much a scarcity world 1200442;1436854641;mircea_popescu;well, the copper's bitcoin based, so. 1200443;1436854660;phf;right, exactly i was about to say, necessary with the funding model 1200444;1436854689;mircea_popescu;not even the funding model, it deliberately has a strong currency for purely game design concerns 1200445;1436854709;mircea_popescu;none of that bullshit bezzle game economics, ima puke if i see another SoJ 1200446;1436854711;mircea_popescu;!up CrazyLoafer 1200447;1436854730;CrazyLoafer;wow this is where all the celebrities hang out :O 1200448;1436854740;CrazyLoafer;i enjoy your writings mircea_popescu :) 1200449;1436854740;mircea_popescu;an' who might you be ? 1200450;1436854744;mircea_popescu;cool. 1200451;1436854757;CrazyLoafer;just a crypto investor; saw a mention of this site and wanted to check it out 1200452;1436854797;mircea_popescu;!topic 1200453;1436854800;cazalla;CrazyLoafer, what are your investments? 1200454;1436854811;mircea_popescu;hm that dun work huh. anyway, logs are in teh topic. 1200455;1436854821;CrazyLoafer;BTC, LTC, XMR, some other smaller alts 1200456;1436854831;mircea_popescu;which was xmr again ? 1200457;1436854834;CrazyLoafer;monero 1200458;1436854841;CrazyLoafer;rpietila's coin :P 1200459;1436854847;mircea_popescu;haha i thought it was fluffypony 's 1200460;1436854852;CrazyLoafer;well his too 1200461;1436854861;mircea_popescu;wait. 1200462;1436854874;mircea_popescu;fluffypony you actually met the silver baron dude ? 1200463;1436855195;mircea_popescu;!up artilectinc 1200464;1436855229;mircea_popescu;phf or for that matter wow style "rares" which everyone has. wtf is achievement even supposed to mean outside of a scarcity world. 1200465;1436855244;mircea_popescu;dumbass ipad games, you tap the screen twice and it's CONGRATULATIONS! you're level 5. 1200466;1436855327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114303 @ 0.00055811 = 63.7936 BTC [+] {4} 1200467;1436855328;mircea_popescu;which obviously, together with their inability to model, makes bullshit like "level caps" unavoidable and on and fucking on 1200468;1436855334;*;mircea_popescu doesn't actually like anything about current games. 1200469;1436855367;mircea_popescu;i guess the melonsized tits are ok, if pressed. 1200470;1436855372;*;BingoBoingo built cal3d, building crystalspace, seeing later if Eulora builds 1200471;1436855387;mircea_popescu;what on, ubuntu ? tis breezy 1200472;1436855392;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: OpenBSD 1200473;1436855396;phf;3d jiggle technologies have gone a long way 1200474;1436855415;BingoBoingo;cal3d was in ports, so yay 1200475;1436855422;mircea_popescu;phf cheaper to just put one slave girl on twerk detail while playing an actual game 1200476;1436855430;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo mind that you need a specific one. 1200477;1436855431;phf;:D 1200478;1436855485;BingoBoingo;Well only one way to find out 1200479;1436855693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63595 @ 0.00053865 = 34.2554 BTC [-] {2} 1200480;1436855715;mircea_popescu;this is true. 1200481;1436855754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11098 @ 0.0005376 = 5.9663 BTC [-] 1200482;1436855765;mircea_popescu;if you manage to get it going on openbsd put the recipe in http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora ima give you some gin or wine or something 1200483;1436855768;assbot;Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXaQhR ) 1200484;1436855803;BingoBoingo;K 1200485;1436855860;phf;it seems like a tricky balance between integrity and fun. i've not thought about this enough, but it seems the more integrity you have in game the more you gain by not actually directly playing the game 1200486;1436855862;BingoBoingo;I'm just trying the lazy way before actually hunting down the "correct" versions of Cal3d and crystalspace 1200487;1436855900;phf;mining for example is usually solved either by people who have nothing better to do but grind, or else heavy scripting 1200488;1436856111;mircea_popescu;eulora mining is complex. 1200489;1436856242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00056078 = 15.0289 BTC [+] {3} 1200490;1436856547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78600 @ 0.00056172 = 44.1512 BTC [+] 1200491;1436856587;mircea_popescu;phf in any case, there is no actual incentive to bot, or i suppose the proper format would be to say everyone can bot just as well. 1200492;1436856669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00056172 = 37.0173 BTC [+] {2} 1200493;1436856774;phf;i'm thinking i don't know enough about how eulora world works to say much. you mentioned that people are mapping mining locations, but then i tried searching for mushrooms around a location where i found them previously and couldn't find any 1200494;1436856806;phf;so i'm sure there's some kind of logic there that i don't yet understand 1200495;1436856836;mircea_popescu;sure. 1200496;1436856867;mircea_popescu;but basically, from a player pov, the economy is elastic enough you can choose. you wish to risk 100 coppers per click, do X. you wish to risk 10k per click, no need to do X 100 times, can just as well do Y. 1200497;1436856889;mircea_popescu;whereas in stupid games, it's "faucet X is the biggest, gotta bot this or bust". 1200498;1436856907;mircea_popescu;and it has little to dowith bottage, it becomes a time arbitrage - if bots are prevented chinese farms will do it by hand 1200499;1436856908;phf;seems like if i wanted to find them, i might as well write a bot that would do random walk, then explore, etc. let it run for a day. though that will cost me in pick quality. hmm 1200500;1436856916;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1200501;1436856921;mircea_popescu;that's exactly it. 1200502;1436856922;phf;i see what you mean above 1200503;1436856924;phf;right 1200504;1436856967;mircea_popescu;some people enjoy the detail, they can do X. some people enjoy pacino's puckered asshole... let them do y. 1200505;1436856975;mircea_popescu;there's no level cap either, you can craft anything as a noob. 1200506;1436856977;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yep I have, although afaik he's getting out the silver game 1200507;1436856986;mircea_popescu;so is he for real ? 1200508;1436857001;mircea_popescu;had the longest standing debate with hanbot, whether he's a superellaborate troll or what. 1200509;1436857006;fluffypony;yeah, and he's a nice enough guy, had fun drinking with him in Berlin 1200510;1436857017;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1200511;1436857033;fluffypony;which of you said he isn't a troll? 1200512;1436857047;mircea_popescu;amusingly, we took turns at it over the years. 1200513;1436857049;fluffypony;lol 1200514;1436857077;mircea_popescu;but mostly, her. 1200515;1436857102;fluffypony;CrazyLoafer: Risto holds XMR, and he's vocal, but he's not responsible for directing it in any way - https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/people 1200516;1436857103;assbot;The People Behind Monero | Monero - secure, private, untraceable ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5fpFN ) 1200517;1436857195;scoopbot_revived;The increasingly tricky proposition of multiculturalism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/14/the-increasingly-tricky-proposition-of-multiculturalism/ 1200518;1436857271;mircea_popescu;phf which is why it's fun - actually fun. because you gotta find a way. it's too complex to effectually model even, at least so far, so therefore what bots. 1200519;1436857301;mircea_popescu;now, granted, this isn'tr most people's idea of fun - having an untractable problem in their lap. 1200520;1436857307;mircea_popescu;then again, i don't give a shit about most people. 1200521;1436857462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58300 @ 0.0005575 = 32.5023 BTC [-] 1200522;1436857517;phf;well, it was naive of me to expect a b-a game to be mindless ;) 1200523;1436857694;mircea_popescu;it is pretty disruptive, or in the converse expression, it isn't at all described by what people think when they hear the word mmorpg. 1200524;1436858115;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` btw, phf managed to get it going on os/x 1200525;1436858115;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1200526;1436858436;trinque;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/13/donald-trump-el-chapo_n_7788128.html 1200527;1436858437;assbot;Donald Trump Calls FBI After El Chapo, Escaped Drug Lord, Threatens Him On Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3C4Fb ) 1200528;1436858473;mircea_popescu;they'd better shut down his account! 1200529;1436858483;trinque;seriously where are the administrators 1200530;1436858485;mircea_popescu;threats are a serious matter. expecially on the internets! 1200531;1436858489;trinque;lol 1200532;1436858533;trinque;this would be the best publicity yet for mr trump 1200533;1436858574;mircea_popescu;and especiallymost when directed at random starlets so desperate for publicity they'd eat their own head 1200534;1436858650;ag3nt_zer0;I struggle to see how cultural relativism, multiculturalism as manisfest in states, offers any sort of couldn't-do-without-benefit to the western civilizational heritage... It seems to be manifested as a hugely destructive and degenerative force in US regarding everything from lowered national debate standards to laxed educational standards, erosion of free speech, critical theory where it doesn't really belong, poltical 1200535;1436858669;ag3nt_zer0;past and thus no concern for the future,, etc 1200536;1436858780;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 cultural relativism has just about nothing to do with multiculturalism 1200537;1436858792;mircea_popescu;the relationship is quite akin fast food and cuisine. 1200538;1436858811;mircea_popescu;mr tricatel isn't in any sense part of the academie francaise, that's for mr. duchemin 1200539;1436858834;mircea_popescu;(you seen l'aile ou la cuisse ?) 1200540;1436858854;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: in the states this is what it is 1200541;1436858864;mircea_popescu;mno 1200542;1436858883;mircea_popescu;"the states" isn't a special place where the derps can get 5 to be an transcendental if they so agree. 1200543;1436858901;ag3nt_zer0;I think we are talking about different thnigs here 1200544;1436858937;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1200545;1436858941;ag3nt_zer0;Here it becomes simply a term that excuses all of that shit I described 1200546;1436858961;trinque;I think we just wiped our ass with our only copy of the language. 1200547;1436858970;mircea_popescu;sure, and there you also have "the country of africa" and assorted other fictions 1200548;1436858971;ag3nt_zer0;its lumped right there with tolerance and diversity 1200549;1436859127;ag3nt_zer0;I think Mark Steyn said multiculturalism is a unicultural phenomena 1200550;1436859211;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: if that was for me, I haven't seen l'aile ou la cuisse 1200551;1436859219;trinque;whatever one can say about multiculturalism, it's not going to come from any observation of the modern usa 1200552;1436859239;mircea_popescu;so maybe check it out. it's the same discussion, except carried out in the 70s 1200553;1436859268;ag3nt_zer0;what about Sharia law in London? 1200554;1436859319;mircea_popescu;what about it ? 1200555;1436859341;ag3nt_zer0;I mean I like the mexicans tacos for sure but the culture doesnt respect education in the same way... so there is a clash there 1200556;1436859369;trinque;the education problem isn't their culture, it's the school's culture 1200557;1436859377;ag3nt_zer0;and the way it is dealt with in the west these days seems to just LCD everything 1200558;1436859385;mircea_popescu;the who to the what now ? 1200559;1436859442;ag3nt_zer0;ok. does not Sharia Law conflict in a number of ways with the western "liberty traditon"? 1200560;1436859472;mircea_popescu;i dunno. like which ways ? 1200561;1436859511;ag3nt_zer0;well for instance what's the left gonna do when the gays have issues with the muslims? 1200562;1436859537;mircea_popescu;this you gotta ask the left :) 1200563;1436859573;mircea_popescu;but from the little i cared to read, it'd seem to me "sharia law" applies in london within sharia laws communities, which is not actually relevant to you. 1200564;1436859589;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: I don't think thats the reason... Intelligence and motivation are greater than facilities and even teachers 1200565;1436859593;mircea_popescu;what about "amish law" and whatever./ 1200566;1436859609;ag3nt_zer0;check US Ed Reform black hole for supporting statistics 1200567;1436859622;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: my comment was about why you have to care whether they "respect education" 1200568;1436859628;trinque;if so why are they in school 1200569;1436859634;trinque;once they're there, how do you expect to fix it? 1200570;1436859675;trinque;as for the sharia thing, they play that a lot in the "right" leaning news here 1200571;1436859681;trinque;that europe is falling to teh muslims 1200572;1436859690;trinque;probably about like maryland is falling to the blacks 1200573;1436859722;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: I don't know what about Amish Law. 1200574;1436859740;mircea_popescu;but there's this community of weirdos doing things like forcing kids to go without electricity. 1200575;1436859754;ag3nt_zer0;I see multiculturalism as about as well-intentioned as the food court in the mall 1200576;1436859757;mircea_popescu;not to even go into the no-transfusion groups or whatnot. 1200577;1436859774;ag3nt_zer0;hmmm 1200578;1436859778;ag3nt_zer0;well I dont mind that 1200579;1436859785;mircea_popescu;bully for you 1200580;1436859789;cazalla;the no transfusion thing is bullshit .. i grew up with that and when push comes to shove, most opt to take blood 1200581;1436859795;mircea_popescu;so what's this, we're gonna tailor the shoulds and should nots by what you mind ? 1200582;1436859801;ag3nt_zer0;haha no 1200583;1436859806;ag3nt_zer0;I dont see the connection 1200584;1436859833;mircea_popescu;some people keep the kids in blessed underwear ; some people keep the kids without ipads ; some other people keep the kids in burkas 1200585;1436859852;ag3nt_zer0;Have you seen detroit? 1200586;1436859857;trinque;yes but I don't like the burkas 1200587;1436859861;mircea_popescu;what exactly is your choice paradigm to distinguish between these, and why exactly is it that the utah mormons don't bother you but the london muslims do. 1200588;1436859891;trinque;that totalitarian thought gets buried deep. 1200589;1436859900;mircea_popescu;to not even go into the chinatowns. those people put VINEGAR into their COOKED food, and sugar in things which are not desert. 1200590;1436859903;ag3nt_zer0;because the utah mormans are still under the umbrella of western aeonic development 1200591;1436859906;mircea_popescu;this, in romania, is excomunication. 1200592;1436859914;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut. 1200593;1436859996;chetty;the difference is the mormons dont try to insist everyone should wear their underwear, the muslims get pretty insistant about burkas 1200594;1436860002;mircea_popescu;o really ? 1200595;1436860017;ag3nt_zer0;different peoples just have different ways of doing things... this also means that they have different ways of doing civilization... so that maybe one group can't take the reigns from another without significant hardship and the potential high risk for failure and disaster 1200596;1436860021;ag3nt_zer0;see detroit maybe 1200597;1436860026;mircea_popescu;i take it you've never had jehovites at the door chetty ? 1200598;1436860033;ag3nt_zer0;sure i have 1200599;1436860053;chetty;well none of them ever tried to behead me for not listening 1200600;1436860062;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 yeah well if the brits weren't some unvigorous waster cunts, mayb the muslims wouldn't HAVE TO take their country from them 1200601;1436860064;mircea_popescu;how about that. 1200602;1436860068;trinque;chetty: sounds like a defense problem 1200603;1436860077;trinque;technology should solve that one 1200604;1436860094;mircea_popescu;chetty as proven by what, that you still have your head ? maybe they tried but ineptly, like anything else they do 1200605;1436860105;chetty;hahahaha 1200606;1436860108;mircea_popescu;lol 1200607;1436860129;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: how bout it. might be somethin to that 1200608;1436860154;trinque;they did after all blow up that building that time 1200609;1436860154;mircea_popescu;i dunno that muslims pester non muslim women to wear burkas. not anymore than catholics pester non catholic women about how to raise the children 1200610;1436860156;trinque;and some other ones 1200611;1436860196;mircea_popescu;but i did find out with dismay that the fucktarded usians convicted some dude to hard prison for fucking his partner on some beach 1200612;1436860205;trinque;"florida man" 1200613;1436860209;mircea_popescu;which to me personally is about as offensive as anything the mulsims do in their god forsaken desert shithole. 1200614;1436860214;ag3nt_zer0;"partner" haha 1200615;1436860219;chetty;well if the news can be believed they are killing a lot of christians in the ME for not converting ... 1200616;1436860232;trinque;it's really sad. reported as a pair of perverts because gasp, a 4 year old saw 1200617;1436860234;mircea_popescu;what, like the us is killing a buncha ukrainians for same ? 1200618;1436860240;mircea_popescu;war is war. tana-nanana 1200619;1436860247;ag3nt_zer0;oh thats bad 1200620;1436860251;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI 1200621;1436860252;assbot;Live is Life - Opus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEHOIO ) 1200622;1436860312;ag3nt_zer0;let's talk about this again in 20 years! 1200623;1436860316;chetty;MP just might feel a little different if he were female 1200624;1436860336;mircea_popescu;well you'd feel a lot different if you were a lobster 1200625;1436860337;ag3nt_zer0;I, for one, can't wait for the premiere of I am Cait! 1200626;1436860342;mircea_popescu;cuz iirc they don't eat lobster. 1200627;1436860354;mircea_popescu;or wait, that's the jess 1200628;1436860356;mircea_popescu;jews* 1200629;1436860429;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, are ya gonna gather the family round and watch together? 1200630;1436860450;ag3nt_zer0;given that the suicide rate is like 10 times higher if you are by "nature" transgender, I have this sick thought that it would be epic if I am Cait ended with a self inflicted shotgun blast to the head... 1200631;1436860479;trinque;so this guy cut his dick off to land a TV series? 1200632;1436860505;mircea_popescu;what's this thing anyway ? 1200633;1436860511;ag3nt_zer0;cazalla: yes 1200634;1436860539;ag3nt_zer0;Bruce Jender 1200635;1436860641;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a very readily obvious and openly available method to not have to suffer the indignities of the defeated. 1200636;1436860643;mircea_popescu;don't fucking lose. 1200637;1436860667;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4MvD9IEAE 1200638;1436860668;assbot;The European Grammar of Self-Intolerance [Jonathan Bowden] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEIxcW ) 1200639;1436860992;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, the white guilt shit in that video, i don't really understand or grasp why people suffer from that 1200640;1436860996;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/14/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKCN0PM0CE20150714 1200641;1436860997;assbot; Iran, big powers clinch landmark nuclear deal| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEJ52l ) 1200642;1436861011;trinque;so how long before saudi asks pakistan for one of its preordered nukes? 1200643;1436861031;trinque;cazalla: me either 1200644;1436861111;ag3nt_zer0;well, ... the video is 12 minutes long and i posted it 6 minutes ago... maybe at least give the whole thought a listen 1200645;1436861130;cazalla;ya, only 4m in 1200646;1436861183;ag3nt_zer0;fwiw, I sat through college lectures on "micro-aggressions" where the big bad white man just sat there and took it that he was the bad guy 1200647;1436861189;trinque;I'm still listening to it 1200648;1436861190;ag3nt_zer0;that's the guilt 1200649;1436861196;ag3nt_zer0;or the cowardice 1200650;1436861199;ag3nt_zer0;whatever 1200651;1436861200;trinque;yeah, american college is terrible 1200652;1436861206;trinque;I was paid to go and still left 1200653;1436861207;punkman;"“We’re dealing with basically tourists,” Dafonseca said. “They’re here on the beaches of Manatee County, our public beaches. So you want to make sure that this isn’t something that just goes by the wayside. And that it is well known to the community what will be tolerated and what won’t be.”" 1200654;1436861209;punkman;ahaha 1200655;1436861232;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: what guilt? the class is on teaching you that you're guilty. 1200656;1436861238;trinque;so tell them to fuck themselves? 1200657;1436861245;ag3nt_zer0;yeah maybe 1200658;1436861251;ag3nt_zer0;but when you put in 7 years 1200659;1436861257;ag3nt_zer0;most arent willing to do that 1200660;1436861262;ag3nt_zer0;I did. 1200661;1436861264;trinque;too bad for 'em 1200662;1436861266;ag3nt_zer0;but I was alone 1200663;1436861280;ag3nt_zer0;they were all busy loving 1200664;1436861296;ag3nt_zer0;or chasing that psper 1200665;1436861311;ag3nt_zer0;I was terrified while I was doing it man... they held the power 1200666;1436861323;ag3nt_zer0;and I did it for stupid idealistic shit 1200667;1436861324;trinque;I'm just a bag of mineral water walking around, man 1200668;1436861332;trinque;fuck a national or cultural identity 1200669;1436861334;mircea_popescu;haha mineral water srsly. 1200670;1436861336;ag3nt_zer0;like "if I dont stand up now, I cant tell studetns to later" 1200671;1436861353;ag3nt_zer0;haha... fortunately it worked out 1200672;1436861376;trinque;this guy said hegemonic 1200673;1436861427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00056235 = 43.5821 BTC [+] {2} 1200674;1436861453;trinque;yeah man, he's just giving people excuses for being confused about who they are 1200675;1436861479;trinque;maybe it is harder in the shit ocean, but sucks for them 1200676;1436861480;ag3nt_zer0;Oh I love Bowden man 1200677;1436861484;trinque;otherwise what, a better church? 1200678;1436861486;trinque;or a mother-state? 1200679;1436861488;ag3nt_zer0;it's like medicine for california disease 1200680;1436861561;trinque;I am always suspicious of a person giving someone a very serious sounding description of an abstract mental dysfunction they have. 1200681;1436861565;trinque;apply that to whatever you like 1200682;1436861583;trinque;church, public school bureaucrats, so on 1200683;1436861593;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, i never finished school but by paying to attend these places of higher education, you are buying what they're selling whether it be white guilt or what not.. i ran into this type of shit in different jobs but i always just refused to go along with it and they were always stumped as what to do next 1200684;1436861608;trinque;both for the obvious reason and because for the person hearing it, it sounds like a damned fancy excuse to not put themselves together 1200685;1436861671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00056159 = 26.2824 BTC [-] 1200686;1436861696;cazalla;in the mid 90s students were asked to sign a "sorry book" apologising to the australian aboriginies.. i just refused to sign it and that was that, if the other students had simply done the same, it would not have gained any traction, there was no consequence for not signing the stupid fucking book 1200687;1436861699;punkman;"Jose Caballero, 40, was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison today for an X-rated beach frolic he had with Elissa Alvarez, 21, last July. Both Caballero and Alvarez will both have to register as sex offenders for their mischief, which involved copulating on a crowded beach, in the middle of the day, in front of a four-year-old." 1200688;1436861705;trinque;lol! sorry book! 1200689;1436861706;punkman;only 2.5 years 1200690;1436861712;trinque;cazalla: that's hilarious 1200691;1436861727;trinque;we're just supposed to look sadly at the page of the book on the trail of tears for a few minutes, then move on 1200692;1436861734;cazalla;but these fucking drones just signed it and passed it to the next person, i never really understood that 1200693;1436861750;punkman;sorry book indeed 1200694;1436861773;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: fuck a national or cultural identity - i used to feel that way... but I always felt like you can go the other way too... thinking that things matter. So, it's from there that I would ask are a culture and, much later, a nation, originally expressions of individual races? 1200695;1436861849;cazalla;but anyway.. what is that saying.. a nation can survive anything but treachery from within.. mircea_popescu is right that if you don't want to suffer this, don't be on the losing team.. if muslims ride into battle and rape and kill all the english (or australians) than i guess so be it, only thing i despite more than the muslims are the limp wristed whites 1200696;1436861868;mircea_popescu;it'll do them a lot of good 1200697;1436861884;mircea_popescu;the people born of that will not suck so much 1200698;1436861936;mircea_popescu;punkman and she's pretty, too. 1200699;1436861962;trinque;she got less time, maybe because of that? 1200700;1436861989;trinque;or maybe she turned on him and signed the "yes we actually fucked" papers 1200701;1436861994;mircea_popescu;cazalla so people wanna play this kink for a while, big whoop. 1200702;1436862012;mircea_popescu;trinque or maybe they just dunno wtf they're doing, spinning the wheel of morality over there 1200703;1436862029;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: I still feel that way btw... I just oscillate in efforts to destroy what I thought earlier 1200704;1436862030;trinque;who trusted us with a country 1200705;1436862036;mircea_popescu;"in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ? 1200706;1436862037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20943 @ 0.00056159 = 11.7614 BTC [-] 1200707;1436862049;mircea_popescu;nothing can happen "in front of a four year old". because no four year old is the fucking axis of thew world already 1200708;1436862120;punkman;trinque: she got no time 1200709;1436862124;trinque;lol! 1200710;1436862133;trinque;well good, it's only penises that are illegal anyway 1200711;1436862152;ag3nt_zer0;cazalla: yes I bought what they sold and willingly... and I am that now 1200712;1436862189;punkman;http://fusion.net/story/136443/this-rapper-shot-a-police-officer-will-stand-your-ground-set-him-free/ 1200713;1436862191;assbot;This rapper shot a police officer. Will 'Stand Your Ground' set him free? | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEKWEt ) 1200714;1436862218;BingoBoingo;What's the weirdest node useragent everyone is connected to right now. I'm apparently peering with: "subver" : "/Satoshi:0.11.99/Gangnam Style:v1.00XL", 1200715;1436862525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144500 @ 0.0005588 = 80.7466 BTC [-] {2} 1200716;1436862576;cazalla;what is the command BingoBoingo 1200717;1436862608;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Depends on your version. In 0.7 getpeerinfo was introduced 1200718;1436862626;BingoBoingo;Otherwise I guess you gotta check the logs 1200719;1436862693;cazalla;"subver" : "/btcwire:0.2.0/", have not seen this one before 1200720;1436862708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.0005575 = 39.4153 BTC [-] 1200721;1436862779;cazalla;meh nothing interesting, only 30 odd connections.. was over 100 for a few weeks but dropped off for some reason 1200722;1436863260;punkman;(´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀) 1200723;1436863318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49209 @ 0.00056288 = 27.6988 BTC [+] 1200724;1436863384;mircea_popescu;!up Itile 1200725;1436863501;Itile;Hi all. When bet 1158 will be payed, who know? 1200726;1436863592;cazalla;Itile, you win that one too eh? 1200727;1436863612;mircea_popescu;tonight prolly. 1200728;1436863617;cazalla;i believe bets are paid 2 days from resolved now 1200729;1436863649;Itile;3 days 7 hours 1200730;1436863703;*;mircea_popescu blames bitcoin. 1200731;1436863707;cazalla;poor Itile, waiting like patience on a monument over here 1200732;1436863729;mircea_popescu;guy got a point. 1200733;1436863766;Itile;What is maximum of delaying in days? Faq not answer this. 1200734;1436863766;cazalla;eh i'm waiting too, i could bitch that kakobrekla should pay as fast as he collects but who'd listen, i'm sure it'll be paid 1200735;1436863785;*;cazalla drinking... drought has ended, whiskey rains from the sky 1200736;1436863806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97550 @ 0.00056311 = 54.9314 BTC [+] {3} 1200737;1436863809;punkman;how long did ya hold out cazalla 1200738;1436863825;mircea_popescu;Itile you mean maximum so far ? i dunno, something like a week on contentious bets iirc. 1200739;1436863842;cazalla;punkman, about 6 weeks.. not drinking sorta reminded me of why i drank in the first place 1200740;1436863927;BingoBoingo;Ah, an empty block 365248 https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000001231d5e7302cbb649f6e6e7aa2abe280b441a07da2229bed 1200741;1436863927;assbot;Bitcoin Block #365248 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiNNaZ ) 1200742;1436863939;mircea_popescu;why was that ? 1200743;1436864006;cazalla;mircea_popescu, me? 1200744;1436864011;mircea_popescu;ya 1200745;1436864085;cazalla;meh i dunno, it's a good friend in that you don't see it for a while but you just pick up where you left off 1200746;1436864101;cazalla;can't say that about many other people in my life 1200747;1436864164;BingoBoingo;So, asciilifeform's node is connected to blockchain.info https://blockchain.info/ip-address/195.211.154.159 1200748;1436864165;assbot;Transactions Relayed By 195.211.154.159 - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiO91j ) 1200749;1436864224;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You had a good run 1200750;1436864287;Itile;Bet 1090 was resolved 30-06, but payed 11-07. Why so long period? 11 days! 1200751;1436864366;BingoBoingo;Very contentious stuff that bat 1200752;1436864440;cazalla;BingoBoingo, yeah longer than i thought i'd last.. i'll enjoy this bottle and then take another break i think 1200753;1436864447;mircea_popescu;Itile a contentious bet can linger forever. 1200754;1436864727;punkman;was USMS the longest bet? 1200755;1436864757;mircea_popescu;possibru 1200756;1436864763;mircea_popescu;bfl was also open for a while 1200757;1436865270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50566 @ 0.00056323 = 28.4803 BTC [+] 1200758;1436865636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00056324 = 15.2075 BTC [+] {2} 1200759;1436866185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00056405 = 37.3119 BTC [+] 1200760;1436866263;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/1ZjkiF2.jpg 1200761;1436866264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGcgrZ ) 1200762;1436866490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056407 = 44.8154 BTC [+] {2} 1200763;1436868198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121558 @ 0.00055694 = 67.7005 BTC [-] {2} 1200764;1436868242;cazalla;preddy sure million dorrrah extreme is best evar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfdFNS6ycgo 1200765;1436868243;assbot;Techno Toys - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiVbDd ) 1200766;1436869235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00055668 = 6.7358 BTC [-] 1200767;1436869266;cazalla;hehe http://dpaste.com/187N8ZX.txt 1200768;1436869268;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiXaY8 ) 1200769;1436869405;punkman;wtf is that 1200770;1436869518;cazalla;i gotta deedbot it son 1200771;1436869533;cazalla;but i am so drunk i forget how 1200772;1436869546;cazalla;fuck, i know this 1200773;1436869568;cazalla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/187N8ZX.txt 1200774;1436869569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiXK8n ) 1200775;1436869569;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1200776;1436869610;punkman;you gotta sign it, but maybe wait until tomorrow 1200777;1436870040;cazalla;ya, can't even sign my own name at this point 1200778;1436870064;punkman;just don't dpaste your private key 1200779;1436871126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120900 @ 0.00055944 = 67.6363 BTC [+] 1200780;1436871451;cazalla;nah it'd have to be deliberate to do such a thing 1200781;1436872041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91070 @ 0.00056172 = 51.1558 BTC [+] {4} 1200782;1436872102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12030 @ 0.00056458 = 6.7919 BTC [+] {2} 1200783;1436872139;cazalla;BingoBoingo, you put any faith in this rumour that da williams sisters are actually men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwrP1zHC5Eo 1200784;1436872140;assbot;IRREFUTABLE PROOF that Serena Williams IS A MAN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5wlfa ) 1200785;1436872545;fluffypony;omg 1200786;1436872546;fluffypony;a flag fell, so therefore 1200787;1436872549;fluffypony;what am I watching 1200788;1436872609;fluffypony;oh apparently Michelle Obama is a man too 1200789;1436872648;cazalla;yeah this is some deep level alex jones type shit fluffypony 1200790;1436872694;cazalla;new ISIS movie is preddy gud 1200791;1436872699;cazalla;"kill them wherever you find em" 1200792;1436872751;cazalla;headshotting helicopters 1200793;1436872796;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC72WsPCPMk 1200794;1436872797;assbot;Islamic state fighter shoots down Iraqi helicopter with MANPADS in Salahuddin province (July, 2015) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5x00a ) 1200795;1436872849;fluffypony;shot down with a mani-pedi? 1200796;1436872856;fluffypony;salon staff are getting violent 1200797;1436873136;shinohai;experimental pogo landing page: http://i.imgur.com/fXrKnMe.png?1 1200798;1436873137;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXx9Ee ) 1200799;1436873627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00056531 = 23.0364 BTC [+] 1200800;1436873993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00056415 = 24.7662 BTC [-] 1200801;1436874664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58154 @ 0.00056415 = 32.8076 BTC [-] 1200802;1436875049;punkman;http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may042013/visner-michigan-tk.php 1200803;1436875134;punkman;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4d_1436834334 1200804;1436875135;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Guy Threatens To Shoot Out With Sheriff ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7S7SA ) 1200805;1436875945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49175 @ 0.00055885 = 27.4814 BTC [-] {2} 1200806;1436876434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00055118 = 7.0551 BTC [-] 1200807;1436877132;jurov;;;isup qntra.net 1200808;1436877136;gribble;qntra.net is down 1200809;1436877531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97150 @ 0.00056444 = 54.8353 BTC [+] {2} 1200810;1436878262;jurov; [20150714 03:19] should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf << no, it needs own valid cert, otherwise peers will go "wtf is this. disconnect!" 1200811;1436879239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00056215 = 21.1368 BTC [-] 1200812;1436879483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44271 @ 0.00056253 = 24.9038 BTC [+] {2} 1200813;1436879544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29629 @ 0.00056554 = 16.7564 BTC [+] 1200814;1436879910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193300 @ 0.00055437 = 107.1597 BTC [-] {4} 1200815;1436880520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109935 @ 0.00056581 = 62.2023 BTC [+] {3} 1200816;1436882045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33109 @ 0.00054846 = 18.159 BTC [-] 1200817;1436882716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50568 @ 0.00056158 = 28.398 BTC [+] {2} 1200818;1436883265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00056676 = 47.7212 BTC [+] {2} 1200819;1436883497;shinohai;Here is the beast that will solve all your time issues: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Computer-Terminal-and-Monitor-LCD-Quartz-Mini-Clock/111704622008?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29980%26meid%3Deaed39f400a34191b05cad268f8d3baf%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D111680976291 1200820;1436883499;assbot; IBM Computer Terminal and Monitor LCD Quartz Mini Clock | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1GjpYQg ) 1200821;1436883807;jurov;lol why not these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Betty-White-Bea-Arthur-Golden-GIrls-TV-Show-Television-Wall-Clock/141715392312 1200822;1436883809;assbot; Betty White Bea Arthur Golden Girls TV Show Television Wall Clock | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBMut7 ) 1200823;1436883905;jurov;http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-17-Flying-Fortress-Pin-Up-Girl-Bomber-Wall-Clock-51/131554091879 1200824;1436883907;assbot; B 17 Flying Fortress Pin Up Girl Bomber Wall Clock 51 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBMCsL ) 1200825;1436883971;thestringpuller;why is qntra getting hammered? they hate us cause they ain't us? 1200826;1436884180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67173 @ 0.00055695 = 37.412 BTC [-] {2} 1200827;1436884607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99261 @ 0.00056477 = 56.0596 BTC [+] {3} 1200828;1436885016;fluffypony;why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive 1200829;1436885141;mats;ideology. 1200830;1436885626;asciilifeform;from the lulzfarms: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d8z5x/today_ebay_bans_bitcoin 1200831;1436885627;assbot;Today, eBay bans bitcoin... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtB86T ) 1200832;1436885705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27015 @ 0.00056692 = 15.3153 BTC [+] {2} 1200833;1436885766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59235 @ 0.00056707 = 33.5904 BTC [+] 1200834;1436885847;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, just the mempool on the s.nsa node is a GB and a half 1200835;1436885868;asciilifeform;pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism. 1200836;1436885927;asciilifeform;what kind of imbecile thought that it was proper to have an unbounded data structure ? 1200837;1436885947;asciilifeform;that eats arbitrary tonnage of shit fed in from the net, no less. 1200838;1436886141;decimation;asciilifeform: it is taking weeks for my 2gb ram server ti sync 1200839;1436886222;decimation;it's not even hitting swap all that hard 1200840;1436886322;jurov;decimation: it has hdd/ssd? 1200841;1436886330;decimation;mechanical hdd 1200842;1436886332;decimation;plenty of space 1200843;1436886363;jurov;well.... that's just too slow. either add RAM or change to SSD 1200844;1436886372;jurov;or some unholy combination, perhaps 1200845;1436886450;decimation;yeah I think it is I/O limited 1200846;1436886518;decimation;it seems to be maxing disk reads at around 16 megabit/s and writes at 8 megabit/s 1200847;1436886519;jurov;dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come 1200848;1436886552;jurov;now if these ssds in msata format were actually cheap 1200849;1436886742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00054607 = 22.7711 BTC [-] 1200850;1436886940;decimation;ah, I had cstate shit enabled, might be part of the problem 1200851;1436887318;mats;hm, seems all versions of Flash on Firefox are blocked by default right now 1200852;1436887414;danielpbarron;!up junseth 1200853;1436887428;junseth;Hi everyone. thought i'd come by for another flogging :) 1200854;1436887620;funkenstein_;junseth, don't give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings 1200855;1436887644;junseth;yes more! 1200856;1436887671;funkenstein_;hehe, actually I'm in line with you 1200857;1436887699;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200835 <-- need a patch to nuke all TX relaying 1200858;1436887699;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism. 1200859;1436887723;jurov;FREE FLOGGINGS 1200860;1436887763;jurov;funkenstein_: imo tx relaying is fine.. but holding them in memory beyond that is problematic 1200861;1436887962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00054607 = 15.29 BTC [-] 1200862;1436888140;funkenstein_;jurov, true, one could have a max size or max bandwidth even as command line flags with a bit of work. 1200863;1436888151;funkenstein_;i was sorta under the assumption the main purpose was to be present en masse in block relaying network, hence providing some sanity in block verification 1200864;1436888214;jurov;and who will relay transactions? 1200865;1436888267;funkenstein_;that is responsibility of tx publisher to get them to a miner 1200866;1436888296;funkenstein_;though plenty of full nodes on real iron still will relay 1200867;1436888358;funkenstein_;tx relaying is strictly philanthropic at the moment if iiuc 1200868;1436888386;jurov;so you yourself connect directly to miners and never need tx relaying services? 1200869;1436888448;funkenstein_;for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners 1200870;1436888492;funkenstein_;with increasing use i expect it to get harder and harder 1200871;1436888518;jurov;O.o i cant even 1200872;1436888579;funkenstein_;my point is, tx relaying is useful but non-essential 1200873;1436888642;jurov;how it is non-essential? 1200874;1436888717;jurov;are you using bitcoin at all? 1200875;1436888720;funkenstein_;integrity of blockchain and consensus is essential. How TXs get to miners is not. They could go by pigeon to Luke-JR's kitchen if need be. 1200876;1436888755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131050 @ 0.00054559 = 71.4996 BTC [-] {2} 1200877;1436888772;jurov;"blockchain is more important than bitcoin" i heard it somewhere 1200878;1436888788;funkenstein_;my argument is bitcoin is more important than TX relaying 1200879;1436888864;jurov;and my experience is that having a stable long-running and well-connected node gives me an edge with my transactions propagations 1200880;1436888903;jurov;why even running a node otherwise? 1200881;1436888945;jurov;lets just submit everything to blockchain.info and verify their blocks and sleep tight 1200882;1436888947;jurov;? 1200883;1436888948;funkenstein_;so you can check yourself the coin you receive 1200884;1436889009;jurov;how? pogo will not have wallet nor block explorer 1200885;1436889049;jurov;also, what happens when blockchain.info screws up like recently? how are the tx gonna go to miners? 1200886;1436889098;funkenstein_;ok pogo is a different story again.. for me broadcasting a tx is not as time important usually as your needs i bet 1200887;1436889198;gernika;<+mats> ideology. << what about a qntra email list? I'd search the logs to see if this has been proposed in the past but ... can't. 1200888;1436889602;mats;dun think so 1200889;1436889914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00054559 = 33.772 BTC [-] 1200890;1436890114;gernika;My OpenBSD bitcoind has stopped syncing: trying connection x.x.x.x:8333 lastseen=-371358.4hrs lasttry=-399136.2hrs | it had been syncing from the address in the qntra post. 1200891;1436890280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00054559 = 9.0568 BTC [-] 1200892;1436890707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186085 @ 0.00054559 = 101.5261 BTC [-] 1200893;1436890770;mod6;what block? 1200894;1436890784;mod6;# 1200895;1436890890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84987 @ 0.00054607 = 46.4089 BTC [+] 1200896;1436891012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76650 @ 0.00054533 = 41.7995 BTC [-] {3} 1200897;1436891077;gernika;mod6 250694 1200898;1436891101;mod6;ok, yeah, im getting the same thing. 1200899;1436891115;mod6;(gentoo) turned mine on to try. node must be down or something. 1200900;1436891439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50064 @ 0.00054509 = 27.2894 BTC [-] 1200901;1436891481;danielpbarron;my 0.5.3.1-beta node has also stopped syncing 1200902;1436891492;danielpbarron;"blocks" : 365253, 1200903;1436891566;danielpbarron;ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : not enough fees << lots of this in my debug.log 1200904;1436891657;danielpbarron;!up fromphuctor 1200905;1436891726;fromphuctor;hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com? 1200906;1436891768;danielpbarron;i don't think you can, but asciilifeform and mircea_popescu are the ones that could do it if it can be done 1200907;1436891786;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200705 << a guy threatened to punch me in the face for offering him some cannabis infront of his 4ish year old the other day 1200908;1436891786;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 08:20:36; mircea_popescu: "in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ? 1200909;1436891827;fromphuctor;so should I private message them or wait here? 1200910;1436891856;danielpbarron;wait here 1200911;1436891909;jurov;fromphuctor: did you remove the info from SKS keyserver, too? 1200912;1436891945;jurov;also, other keyservers might mirror it 1200913;1436891987;fromphuctor;i havent but when I google my name it's only showing up at nosuchlabs.com 1200914;1436892066;danielpbarron;is your key phucked? 1200915;1436892280;nubbins`;yeah, is your key phucked? 1200916;1436892288;nubbins`;curious minds wish to know 1200917;1436892396;mod6;danielpbarron: so you're like 50 blocks behind now? 1200918;1436892425;danielpbarron;yeh 1200919;1436892443;fromphuctor;I no longer use the key and I just dont want my info being indexed by google 1200920;1436892477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90885 @ 0.00054509 = 49.5405 BTC [-] 1200921;1436892593;danielpbarron;fromphuctor, but is the key cracked? I'm sure a bunch of people would like to know how you created it if it was. 1200922;1436892600;mod6;hmm, that error comes from one place: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0442 << perhaps thats when all of those tiny tx's started filling up the block space? 1200923;1436892601;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu16at ) 1200924;1436892659;fromphuctor;danielpbarron. I have no idea, I longer use it 1200925;1436892667;fromphuctor;no longer* 1200926;1436892709;trinque;fromphuctor: maybe you don't understand the purpose of phuctor? 1200927;1436892731;fromphuctor;sure it's to store my public gpg key 1200928;1436892734;nubbins`;nope 1200929;1436892737;trinque;incorrect 1200930;1436892741;nubbins`;it's to find keys that were generated insecurely 1200931;1436892744;trinque;^ 1200932;1436892750;danielpbarron;fromphuctor, was the text all a happy green or a mean red? 1200933;1436892764;nubbins`;phuctor is smashing numbers together, right now, churning through huge data sets of pgp keys 1200934;1436892775;mod6;its purpose is to factor keys with GCD 1200935;1436892784;mod6;rsa keys 1200936;1436892787;nubbins`;trying to find clues as to broken implementations, flaws in rsa, etc 1200937;1436892791;trinque;fromphuctor: sks is the system which distributes public keys 1200938;1436892801;fromphuctor;GCD(N, Π(∀n)): 1 (Ok, for now!) 1200939;1436892815;fromphuctor;not sure what that means but it's green 1200940;1436892819;trinque;fromphuctor: then why would you want that info taken off the internet? 1200941;1436892826;trinque;this means your key is *not* broken 1200942;1436892827;nubbins`;means nobody else's key is suspiciously similar to yours :D 1200943;1436892831;nubbins`;(yet!) 1200944;1436892842;fromphuctor;I dont want the other associated info on the net 1200945;1436892843;trinque;fromphuctor: a public key is called public because it is safe to distribute 1200946;1436892852;fromphuctor;I'm aware of that 1200947;1436892857;trinque;what is this, the right to be forgotten? 1200948;1436892861;nubbins`;heh 1200949;1436892872;danielpbarron;well so far he's only asked nicely 1200950;1436892875;nubbins`;fromphuctor, i can only imagine your key was gleaned from some other publicly-accessible key server 1200951;1436892891;mod6;yeah, iirc keys will not be removed from the phuctor pool. 1200952;1436892894;danielpbarron;and makes a good point: only nosuchlabs shows up in google search 1200953;1436892917;mod6;!up ascii_field 1200954;1436892917;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field 1200955;1436893026;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200905 << ahahahahahaha. you can't. deal with it. 1200956;1436893026;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 16:35:26; fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com? 1200957;1436893115;fromphuctor;im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed 1200958;1436893137;ascii_field;in my country, you cannot copyright your name. 1200959;1436893143;ascii_field;(which we don't even know) 1200960;1436893144;danielpbarron;oo here we go! 1200961;1436893150;*;danielpbarron "grabs popcorn" or w/e 1200962;1436893178;fromphuctor;which country is that 1200963;1436893183;ascii_field;usa. 1200964;1436893327;trinque;I'm still perplexed by the idea that someone would be bothered by what is a highly beneficial *free* service annotating entirely *public* data 1200965;1436893331;fluffypony;but pubkeys are easily browsable on other key servers 1200966;1436893335;trinque;^ 1200967;1436893346;ascii_field;aha, virtually all of the pubkeys in phuctor come from sks. 1200968;1436893346;trinque;but it's really important that *this* one be taken down 1200969;1436893353;ascii_field;which is mirrored 1,001 times worldwide. 1200970;1436893364;fluffypony;look, fromphuctor, here's mine: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7455C5E3C0CDCEB9 1200971;1436893365;assbot;Search results for '0x7455c5e3c0cdceb9' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu3PRo ) 1200972;1436893368;fluffypony;publicly visible 1200973;1436893373;fluffypony;with *gasp* personal information 1200974;1436893391;fluffypony;hosted by the Glorious Defenders of Privacy at MIT 1200975;1436893444;fromphuctor;if my info disappeared from sks, would it be removed from nosuchlabs 1200976;1436893458;ascii_field;fromphuctor: afaik nothing has ever disappeared from sks. 1200977;1436893471;fromphuctor;that doesnt answer my question 1200978;1436893479;ascii_field;the answer is no. 1200979;1436893509;fromphuctor;do you maintain the database for nosuchlabs 1200980;1436893511;ascii_field;fromphuctor: realize that anyone can submit anything to sks 1200981;1436893530;asciilifeform;!up fromphuctor 1200982;1436893531;fluffypony;SKS doesn't mandate that you remove data to keep in sync 1200983;1436893542;ascii_field;i.e. your enemy can submit the key again 1200984;1436893568;fluffypony;yup 1200985;1436893569;fluffypony;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_server_(cryptographic)#Problems_with_keyservers 1200986;1436893570;assbot;Key server (cryptographic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0QyDm ) 1200987;1436893570;ascii_field;i am under no obligation to modify my code to make 'mr x' (whose name we do not yet know, nor have any proof that 'his' key is his) disappear every time someone submits him. 1200988;1436893586;fluffypony;'Once a public key has been uploaded, it is difficult to remove. Some users stop using their public keys for various reasons, such as when they forget their pass phrase, or if their private key is compromised or lost. In those cases, it was hard to delete a public key from the server, and even if it were deleted, someone else can upload a fresh copy of the same public key to the server. This leads to an accumulation of old fossil 1200989;1436893586;fluffypony; public keys that never go away, a form of "keyserver plaque".' 1200990;1436893596;fluffypony;also known as the "sorry for you" problem 1200991;1436893623;funkenstein_;maybe one day we will learn to use namecoin 1200992;1436893640;fromphuctor;im not concerned about the key floating around, just the other information listed on nosuchlabs 1200993;1436893642;ascii_field;fromphuctor: we even have a list of folks for whom some hooligan submitted entirely fraudulent (as far as we can tell) keys. nothing can be done about this. 1200994;1436893658;fromphuctor;sounds solid 1200995;1436893673;ascii_field;fromphuctor: what other information? the only things visible are what is in your key - the name and email addr entered when it was generated. 1200996;1436893686;fromphuctor;right, and I want that removed 1200997;1436893719;ascii_field;fromphuctor: did you upload your key to sks? or did it live under your pillow, and you are telling us that someone stole it and uploaded it ? 1200998;1436893765;fromphuctor;I'm pretty sure I uploaded it to sks years ago 1200999;1436893779;ascii_field;then you are officially fucked and i officially have zero sympathy. 1201000;1436893814;ascii_field;you are welcome to wait until mircea_popescu logs on, and ask him for a contact address where to file a frivolous lawsuit. he loves winning those. 1201001;1436893818;fromphuctor;im not asking for sympathy, Im asking you to remove my name and information from your website 1201002;1436893821;jurov;name and email (optionally even photo!) are part of public key and thus public. 1201003;1436893830;ascii_field;fromphuctor: the answer is no. any other questions ? 1201004;1436893859;fromphuctor;sure, ill wait for mircea 1201005;1436893877;fluffypony;so you can hear the same thing again? 1201006;1436893890;ascii_field;fluffypony: nah he wants to give mp his money 1201007;1436893893;fromphuctor;nah, ill take your compan's info 1201008;1436893901;fluffypony;my company? 1201009;1436893910;fluffypony;my company doesn't have a public key in SKS 1201010;1436893916;fluffypony;although you do remind me of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3cd6oj/im_in_highschool_and_money_was_stolen_from_my/ 1201011;1436893918;assbot;I’m in highschool and money was stolen from my bank account. I need help NOW : legaladvice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu5TJ9 ) 1201012;1436893950;trinque;encounters strange... gets scared and angry... 1201013;1436893960;trinque;they ought to have a test for this in early childhood 1201014;1436893979;trinque;fromphuctor: you've been done a service at another's expense, and you're behaving like a fool 1201015;1436894021;ascii_field;trinque: we haven't even any reason to believe that mr x owns the private key to this pubkey (which? also no idea) 1201016;1436894028;trinque;course not 1201017;1436894051;ascii_field;nor that this fella's mother gave him this name (again, which name?) 1201018;1436894061;trinque;sure, but y'know he's gonna SUE 1201019;1436894085;fluffypony;I do find the righteous indignation humorous 1201020;1436894094;ascii_field;aha. not even in schmuckistan where i live, can you win this. 1201021;1436894098;fluffypony;it's not like this is a revenge porn site and we're laughing at the diminutive size of his member 1201022;1436894115;trinque;it's a goddamn public phone book 1201023;1436894136;ascii_field;mirror of phonebook with 1,001 mirrors. 1201024;1436894156;ascii_field;none of which the fool wrote to, presumably 1201025;1436894165;ascii_field;nor google, which appears to be the proximate cause of his sorrows 1201026;1436894179;ascii_field;(why not write to google? they censor first, ask questions later) 1201027;1436894291;trinque;anyone else noticed the from* pattern of nicks? 1201028;1436894300;ascii_field;trinque: that's proper 1201029;1436894306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100300 @ 0.00054607 = 54.7708 BTC [+] 1201030;1436894314;ascii_field;trinque: folks who click the link on phuctor www get a webportal into freenode 1201031;1436894317;ascii_field;and that's the default nick 1201032;1436894319;trinque;ah I see 1201033;1436894733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00054164 = 77.5628 BTC [-] {4} 1201034;1436895160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97200 @ 0.00053789 = 52.2829 BTC [-] 1201035;1436895270;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1201036;1436895288;ascii_field;https://www.os3.nl/_media/2013-2014/courses/ccf/chromecast-cedric-peter.pdf << re: the device spoken of yesterday. discusses fw reflashing 1201037;1436895290;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HubrmW ) 1201038;1436895369;ascii_field;in other lulz, http://cryptome.org/2015/07/spooky-aircraft.htm 1201039;1436895370;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HubVcw ) 1201040;1436895409;ascii_field;BingoBoingo ^ 1201041;1436895518;danielpbarron;SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000000581 height=365258 work=10171447580846858256181698 << my 0.5.3.1-beta node is syncing again 1201042;1436895532;ascii_field;danielpbarron: was this a clock problem ? 1201043;1436895546;danielpbarron;don't think so, or at least I did nothing to correct anything 1201044;1436895603;danielpbarron;didn't even restart it 1201045;1436895639;mod6;now it's workin? 1201046;1436895678;mod6;ok so you've moved up 5 blocks. 1201047;1436895837;mod6;would be inetersting/nice to see the ms time on how long it takes to process blocks {365`251, 365`252}; blocks > 900kb 1201048;1436895861;danielpbarron;on a pogo the answer is a few minutes 1201049;1436895887;mod6;hmm 1201050;1436895921;danielpbarron;height=365259 1201051;1436895953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130150 @ 0.00053554 = 69.7005 BTC [-] {6} 1201052;1436896097;danielpbarron;height=365260 1201053;1436896368;thestringpuller;mod6: "The bitcoin foundation doesn't care reddit-people." - Kanye West 1201054;1436896441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40670 @ 0.00053319 = 21.6848 BTC [-] {3} 1201055;1436896528;danielpbarron;height=365261 1201056;1436896604;mod6;thestringpuller: ha 1201057;1436896625;mod6;danielpbarron: ah ok 1201058;1436896671;mod6;365259 = 908.97k - 1090 tx's 1201059;1436896704;mod6;365260 = 249.83kB - 467 txs 1201060;1436896731;mod6;365261 = 909.83kB - 693 txs 1201061;1436897104;gernika;Still seeing: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused 1201062;1436897121;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1201063;1436897123;ascii_field;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/inside-an-online-content-mill-or-writing-4156-words-a-day-just-to-earn-lunch-money << re: philippinoization 1201064;1436897125;assbot;True confessions: I wrote for an Internet content mill | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0c6lC ) 1201065;1436897180;gernika;Maybe the qntra node is running short of connections? 1201066;1436897198;ascii_field;'The site’s support documentation explains how it works: “First you write a normal original article. Then you make two rewrites of it. All three articles (PDF) must have the same number of paragraphs and each paragraph of each article must have about the same meaning.” This is because the end product is cut up, chopped, and changed to create even more alternative stories. In the content-producing machine 1201067;1436897198;ascii_field;, the sausage is just the start of it—that's ground up and made into meatballs, meatloaf, and a million other products.' 1201068;1436897250;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 1201069;1436897254;gribble;qntra.net is down 1201070;1436897258;thestringpuller;qntra has been down all day 1201071;1436897265;thestringpuller;gernika ^^^ 1201072;1436897306;gernika;sorry, not qntra node, bitcoind node referenced in qntra article. canonical bitcoind node is a better term? 1201073;1436897344;thestringpuller;you talking about the real bitcoin? or bitcoind? 1201074;1436897380;ascii_field;https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2164585-web-article-7-13-final.html << lolz! 1201075;1436897381;assbot;Web Article 7 13 Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0crEF ) 1201076;1436897393;ascii_field;^ purportedly official statement from 'hackteam' 1201077;1436897403;ascii_field;(they don't appear to believe in pgp, so i cannot say if authentic) 1201078;1436897417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00054551 = 8.2918 BTC [+] 1201079;1436897478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73842 @ 0.00054667 = 40.3672 BTC [+] {2} 1201080;1436897659;gernika;thestringpuller: mp's seed node listed here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4a4Og6KrsB4J:qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 1201081;1436897660;assbot;Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hul30K ) 1201082;1436897668;funkenstein_;http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/11/staged-isis-beheading-video-hacked-from-mccain-staffer/ <-- more nice hack story 1201083;1436897670;assbot;Staged ISIS Beheading Video Hacked from McCain Staffer | Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hul4lp ) 1201084;1436898003;ascii_field;https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/11/why-did-victims-in-islamic-state-beheading-videos-look-so-calm-they-didnt-know-it-was-real << usg's canned response to ^ 1201085;1436898006;assbot; Why did victims in Islamic State beheading videos look so calm? They didn’t know it was real. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0dtRl ) 1201086;1436898242;thestringpuller;ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root#Overview_of_the_code 1201087;1436898259;thestringpuller;tell me about this magic i've found 1201088;1436898264;ascii_field;famous! 1201089;1436898286;ascii_field;appears to be fully explained in the lined article. 1201090;1436898328;ascii_field;*linked 1201091;1436898332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69400 @ 0.00053921 = 37.4212 BTC [-] {3} 1201092;1436898643;funkenstein_;thestringpuller, wow that is awesome. do people use this in grav. or e&m simulations? 1201093;1436898669;ascii_field;funkenstein_: mno. it's accurate enough for 3d shooter, that's more or less it 1201094;1436898709;ascii_field;then again, i wouldn't put it past some chinese grad student to throw it in somewhere 1201095;1436898760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162100 @ 0.00054833 = 88.8843 BTC [+] {2} 1201096;1436899140;punkman;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000123.html 1201097;1436899141;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0h2XA ) 1201098;1436899156;punkman;why no title assbot 1201099;1436899164;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1201100;1436899185;ascii_field;i'm not really happy with the removal of the rpc password generator 1201101;1436899187;ascii_field;but already said this. 1201102;1436899191;punkman;is back 1201103;1436899198;ascii_field;i suppose mod6 and ben_vulpes ought to make the call 1201104;1436899239;danielpbarron;my node is held up again, this time at height=365262 1201105;1436899247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00053508 = 25.1488 BTC [-] {2} 1201106;1436899256;ascii_field;danielpbarron: anything about rejected blocks in the debug.log ? 1201107;1436899293;danielpbarron;not that I'm aware of 1201108;1436899313;danielpbarron;grep for rejected shows nothing 1201109;1436899329;punkman;danielpbarron: you have any logs with a reorg? 1201110;1436899370;punkman;whoever does, maybe post to mailing list 1201111;1436899446;danielpbarron;yeah, this same node has reorganized in the past, but that's not the case with this latest hold up 1201112;1436899743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 227100 @ 0.00055471 = 125.9746 BTC [+] {6} 1201113;1436899918;kakobrekla;[20:38:58] http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000123.html 1201114;1436899919;assbot;[BTC-dev] updated debug_sanity ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0jsWa ) 1201115;1436899919;kakobrekla;[20:39:00] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0h2XA ) 1201116;1436899920;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0jrl2 ) 1201117;1436899920;kakobrekla;[20:39:14] why no title assbot 1201118;1436899923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9584 @ 0.00055851 = 5.3528 BTC [+] 1201119;1436899983;punkman;kakobrekla: 10/10 customer support, would buy again 1201120;1436900350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00055941 = 21.2016 BTC [+] 1201121;1436900564;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html and it found its way here, too 1201122;1436900565;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6Zy ) 1201123;1436900716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21263 @ 0.00055874 = 11.8805 BTC [-] 1201124;1436900960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140800 @ 0.00056568 = 79.6477 BTC [+] {4} 1201125;1436901019;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200807 << myeah working on it. 1201126;1436901019;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 12:32:12; jurov: ;;isup qntra.net 1201127;1436901045;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200828 << i am never using cloudflare. 1201128;1436901045;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 14:43:36; fluffypony: why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive 1201129;1436901049;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1201130;1436901057;mircea_popescu;and the infortmation of WHO READS IT is not usg's business. 1201131;1436901062;nubbins`;why not use windows for casual web browsing? 1201132;1436901065;nubbins`;it's not like the etc etc 1201133;1436901085;nubbins`;why not smash your dick with a hammer? 1201134;1436901095;nubbins`;etc 1201135;1436901106;mircea_popescu;"Please understand that you mentioned you accept "Bitcoin" as a method of payment. Some online payment companies are fairly new and inexperienced and they do not provide sufficient fraud protection to members. When we review payment methods to determine whether they are allowed on eBay, two key factors that we consider are "Security and Safety" and "Ease of use". Please do not offer this payment method." 1201136;1436901107;mircea_popescu;fucktards. 1201137;1436901122;mircea_popescu;"ideology" ? yeah, that's right : usg's fucking ideology. 1201138;1436901176;ascii_field;ferfuxxake, direct fiefdom of paypal 1201139;1436901183;ascii_field;who exactly expected to be able to use btc there 1201140;1436901184;ag3nt_zer0;good morning 1201141;1436901208;mircea_popescu;dude, forget this expecting. 1201142;1436901217;mircea_popescu;im not setting mental limits on the basis of implicit conventions. 1201143;1436901231;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200835 << myeah. 1201144;1436901231;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism. 1201145;1436901248;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I didn't mean indefinitely 1201146;1436901253;fluffypony;I meant whilst this is going on 1201147;1436901269;mircea_popescu;if i recall this was discussed, i was spouting things like "sort the tx pool by value per byte, kick out bad txn and nodes that propose them, always offer a buttered selection to askers" 1201148;1436901272;ascii_field;no, i meant what i said and i said what i meant, walrus is certain one hundred percent (tm) (r) 1201149;1436901286;ascii_field;gotta evict from cache or crash 1201150;1436901332;ascii_field;unbounded data structure + finite ram == barf 1201151;1436901342;ag3nt_zer0;the funnies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA&feature=youtu.be 1201152;1436901343;assbot;Philosophers Football - Monty Python's Fliegender Zirkus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0n6ze ) 1201153;1436901358;ascii_field;we have two of these left: the block index (discussed previously, 300 byte per blk) and the mempool. 1201154;1436901428;thestringpuller;ascii_field: you can set the policy to drop tx's without fees from the mempool i though 1201155;1436901433;trinque;buhhh no search 1201156;1436901446;trinque;so suppose I dropped a link to last night's islam thread 1201157;1436901453;ascii_field;thestringpuller: not the answer to 'potentially infinite liquid shit in a finite bag' 1201158;1436901482;trinque;it's a problem solved by both the WoT and building cities according to a concept of "good standing == access" not universal access for all 1201159;1436901483;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dun parse that, are you disagreeing or wut ? 1201160;1436901498;trinque;cardano would be a nice device for this 1201161;1436901513;trinque;you go up to some gate and do assbot-style authentication 1201162;1436901515;trinque;and either enter or don't 1201163;1436901523;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: was trying to point out that we need a mechanism to manage mempool on the node. just simple oldest-evict for starters. 1201164;1436901532;ascii_field;rather than 'oomkill because retarded' 1201165;1436901546;mircea_popescu;if we're going to do this, which is nonstandard, a) better make it good. 1201166;1436901556;ascii_field;like i said for the orphans, 1201167;1436901558;ascii_field;IT ALREADY DIES 1201168;1436901562;mircea_popescu;there is no benefit to half-solving the problem. 1201169;1436901563;ascii_field;already has the limit 1201170;1436901568;ascii_field;sheer physical limit. 1201171;1436901610;ascii_field;so where is this 'nonstandard.' ~ANY~ machine has finite ram, it is entirely standard. 1201172;1436901628;thestringpuller;would this be first in first out type of mechanism? 1201173;1436901631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41922 @ 0.00055874 = 23.4235 BTC [-] 1201174;1436901641;thestringpuller;oldest tx's get evicted first for newer tx's received? 1201175;1436901648;ascii_field;for starters. 1201176;1436901661;ascii_field;this is closest to the default behavior (death of whole node) 1201177;1436901663;mircea_popescu;so, how about, something like this : 1. pogo acquires max memory to be used for tx pool ; 2. pogo accepts txn into this until full ; 3. pogo calculates per byte value for eacxh accepted txn ; 4. pogo accepts new txn only if their per-byte value constitutes an increase to its pool ; 5. pogo keeps a score on all nodes ir EVER SAW, by IP! as to what txn it sent : -so much for sending unacceptable txn, + so much for sendin 1201178;1436901663;mircea_popescu;g accepted txn. then it refuses connectioon to shit nodes. permanently. it still reads from them, but sends nothing. 1201179;1436901690;ascii_field;did mircea_popescu just ask for a <=4GB db ? 1201180;1436901701;mircea_popescu;this way, our nonstandard behaviour can at least be excused, nodes will continue to peer us for economic reasons, and your dream fo someday someone mining off a pogo may come closer. 1201181;1436901731;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nothing wrong with keeping a finite ip db and flushing the lowest entries as needed, just like iptables works. 1201182;1436901841;mircea_popescu;ideally the -so much, +so much and min_node_value are to be set in config file by user. 1201183;1436901849;ascii_field;this is not a bad scheme, but - complicated 1201184;1436901861;mircea_popescu;not worth doing the other one. you'll just end up isolated on the network. 1201185;1436901865;ascii_field;'why not start small, he said, offering the yoga n00b a single nail' 1201186;1436901875;ascii_field;no more isolated than if you do nothing 1201187;1436901880;ascii_field;and crash 1201188;1436901883;*;mircea_popescu , master of bitesizes. 1201189;1436901889;mircea_popescu;yes. that's isolated. 1201190;1436901942;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: briefly describe hypothesis re: why an evict-oldest mempool node would end up isolated 1201191;1436901973;mircea_popescu;because you present an arbitrary fraction of the current mempool, there is no incentive for anyone to peer you. 1201192;1436901999;mircea_popescu;you may either present : a) the whole mempool (current best behaviour) or b) a selected fraction (hopefully future best behaviour) 1201193;1436902007;ascii_field;this is different from 'isolated.' isolated would mean that extant nodes auto-drop you 1201194;1436902031;ascii_field;'no incentive' for most of the network participants to do what they are doing - is the current situation. 1201195;1436902041;mircea_popescu;i didn't mean that isolated. i just meant, "and it never amounted to anything" isolated 1201196;1436902046;ascii_field;ok 1201197;1436902053;ascii_field;then - yes 1201198;1436902086;*;ascii_field hopes that no one is waiting for ~him~ to write this, is occupied with other things presently 1201199;1436902169;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200847 << this is actually not bad an idea 1201200;1436902169;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 15:08:39; jurov: dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come 1201201;1436902242;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200869 << eh stfu. 1201202;1436902242;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 15:40:48; funkenstein_: for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners 1201203;1436902293;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains. 1201204;1436902323;ascii_field;possibly the most dangerous change yet proposed 1201205;1436902327;mircea_popescu;but it is i think the first chance to actually improve on extant code by writing something since the start of this project. rather than just cutting warts off and sewing the crater together 1201206;1436902328;mircea_popescu;yes. 1201207;1436902345;ascii_field;i dare say the second 1201208;1436902351;ascii_field;parallel verif. - also useful 1201209;1436902359;ascii_field;(and approximately same complexity) 1201210;1436902363;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> who exactly expected to be able to use btc there <<< once listed a casascius coin on ebay. a buyer messaged me through the site asking to pay in btc :o 1201211;1436902368;mircea_popescu;ah right 1201212;1436902385;ascii_field;nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine 1201213;1436902385;mircea_popescu;o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ? 1201214;1436902397;mircea_popescu;ascii_field his point was "who expects". apparently, buyer. 1201215;1436902404;ascii_field;but if you accept anything but paypal - can be thrown out of 'ebay' 1201216;1436902413;ascii_field;aha 1201217;1436902665;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201203 << consider posting some pseudocode for this, if you have a notion of how it oughta work 1201218;1436902665;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 19:31:33; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains. 1201219;1436902688;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: why would the network isolate you if you're dropping tx's out of the mempool? 1201220;1436902750;thestringpuller;it seems this is broken, if tx's oom a nodes' mempool wouldn't this technically be a fraction of the mempool shared by other nodes with more memory? 1201221;1436902761;thestringpuller;this being the default functionality 1201222;1436902767;ascii_field;precisely what i said. 1201223;1436902779;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200905 << you can't, and fuck your stupid mother for fucking the lousy drunk that would spring forth an attempted abortion such as yourself for EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT. 1201224;1436902779;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 16:35:26; fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com? 1201225;1436902815;ascii_field;thestringpuller: but it is also true that most nodes presently have sufficient physical ram to hold the mempool 1201226;1436902822;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the notion that bitcoin is open "to everyone" does not include fromfuctorhead above. 1201227;1436902836;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is open for everyone who can keep the whole thing. the whole blockchain, the whole mempool, etc. 1201228;1436902856;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1201229;1436903095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00056844 = 24.6703 BTC [+] {2} 1201230;1436903103;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200957 << o motherfucker will there be no end of this idiocy 1201231;1436903103;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 16:58:35; fromphuctor: im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed 1201232;1436903136;ben_vulpes;phrance! 1201233;1436903149;ben_vulpes;whoa mp's getting out the banhammer 1201234;1436903211;mircea_popescu;no dude, "the consumers have come to expect". pssshhh 1201235;1436903256;trinque;... and it's a beneficial service?! 1201236;1436903258;trinque;for free!! 1201237;1436903265;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you know that's the shared arse for everyone who comes in from nosuchlabs.com, right ? 1201238;1436903269;trinque;say "thank you" 1201239;1436903278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86082 @ 0.00056869 = 48.954 BTC [+] {2} 1201240;1436903284;mircea_popescu;ascii_field on the same ip. 1201241;1436903287;ascii_field;ah 1201242;1436903289;trinque;ascii_field: but he banned the specific mask for that user 1201243;1436903297;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ? <<< just coming up for air 8) 1201244;1436903299;ascii_field;ah i c 1201245;1436903304;ascii_field;l0lz 1201246;1436903316;ascii_field;imho the fella was trolling 1201247;1436903326;ascii_field;he didn't claim a name, or a key, much less a signature of one with the other 1201248;1436903339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33529 @ 0.00056879 = 19.071 BTC [+] 1201249;1436903341;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine <<< i suggested to buyer we take tx off-site; he agreed. mildly surprised message filters or smth didn't get in the way 1201250;1436903347;ascii_field;and readily admitted to having uploaded it himself, to sks 1201251;1436903390;ascii_field;nubbins`: 'How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. but at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard...' 1201252;1436903402;ben_vulpes;trinque: the hsa company can't figure out their ssl cert 1201253;1436903403;nubbins`;8) 1201254;1436903405;ascii_field;(tm) (r) 1201255;1436903410;nubbins`;and yet here we are 1201256;1436903416;ben_vulpes;trinque: and emails passwords baaack to users in plaintext 1201257;1436903420;ben_vulpes;WOO 1201258;1436903436;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes everyone emails passwords in plaintext. EVERYONE 1201259;1436903440;mircea_popescu;it's fucking retarded. 1201260;1436903448;ben_vulpes;the *stored* password 1201261;1436903459;ben_vulpes;the *unsalted* *unhashed* *stored* password 1201262;1436903464;nubbins`;i used to work for big insurance co 1201263;1436903473;mircea_popescu;well if you email it anyway... why bother with bcrypt ? 1201264;1436903479;nubbins`;called helpdesk one day with an issue 1201265;1436903479;mircea_popescu;cheaper to sniff mail than to break server. 1201266;1436903484;nubbins`;they asked me for my password over the phone 1201267;1436903497;nubbins`;"you want me to just say it?" 1201268;1436903503;mircea_popescu;and it happened to be drop table if exist dash dash ? 1201269;1436903520;trinque;ben_vulpes: lawl 1201270;1436903523;nubbins`;"but i work in a cubicle" 1201271;1436903636;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 1201272;1436903639;gribble;qntra.net is down 1201273;1436903646;thestringpuller;damn. down all day. 1201274;1436903695;trinque;that idea of opening a gate with a cardano... really fun 1201275;1436903699;trinque;I can't wait to hold one in my hands 1201276;1436903732;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1201277;1436903739;ascii_field;waitwut 1201278;1436903741;ascii_field;opening a gate ? 1201279;1436903759;ascii_field;i can't wait to see all the nails folks try to pound in with this microscope. 1201280;1436903780;trinque;ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence 1201281;1436903799;trinque;I've actually had a few dreams about such a place 1201282;1436903805;thestringpuller;what if someone steals your cardano? 1201283;1436903807;thestringpuller;lol 1201284;1436903818;trinque;thestringpuller: same answer as if someone steals your anything 1201285;1436903852;trinque;what's better, a retinal scan? lol 1201286;1436903855;ascii_field;we had this thread 1201287;1436903862;ascii_field;with mr ninjaspam 1201288;1436903871;ascii_field;see logz. 1201289;1436903880;trinque;ascii_field: which? stolen cardano? 1201290;1436903884;ascii_field;aha 1201291;1436903922;trinque;seems you'd have some other key elsewhere, you'd sign your cardano key 1201292;1436903934;trinque;and you could perhaps sign a "my cardano was stolen" message to address thestringpuller 1201293;1436903946;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201280 << this appears in, among other places, 'beneath a steel sky'. 1201294;1436903946;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 19:56:20; trinque: ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence 1201295;1436903947;mircea_popescu;ascii_field garage door! 1201296;1436903959;trinque;ascii_field: neat 1201297;1436903990;ascii_field;trinque: also not so easy. see the key revocation thread of last month. 1201298;1436903996;trinque;k 1201299;1436904053;trinque;in this case presumably the city itself would be controlled by someone in particular 1201300;1436904057;trinque;so it is a centralized problem 1201301;1436904065;trinque;*he* grants you access or does not 1201302;1436904073;ben_vulpes;zhe 1201303;1436904075;trinque;so there is a central point which can reject the key in the future 1201304;1436904096;trinque;ben_vulpes: the lesbian dreadfort notwithstanding 1201305;1436904133;ascii_field;assbotburg 1201306;1436904167;ascii_field;perhaps folks who are '! downed' will slide, literally, down a chute. 1201307;1436904193;mircea_popescu;cryptoguillotine ? 1201308;1436904199;ascii_field;cryptodulap. 1201309;1436904206;mircea_popescu;not sure i wanna see that. 1201310;1436904381;nubbins`;cryptooubliette 1201311;1436904389;nubbins`;hm. cryptoubliette? 1201312;1436904416;ascii_field;we did that one here 1201313;1436904419;ascii_field;'coke machine' 1201314;1436904515;nubbins`;bbl 1201315;1436904730;thestringpuller;#b-a labeled gasenwagens? 1201316;1436904742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00057034 = 33.0797 BTC [+] {2} 1201317;1436905169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120100 @ 0.00056091 = 67.3653 BTC [-] {2} 1201318;1436905186;mod6;!up ascii_field 1201319;1436905564;mircea_popescu;gernika_ it's up and down as i have the 363736 issue examined. 1201320;1436905590;mircea_popescu;by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain. 1201321;1436905657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25126 @ 0.00055874 = 14.0389 BTC [-] 1201322;1436905900;mircea_popescu;relatedly : i am reasonably satisfied the ~950 kb single tx a few days ago was trying its best to make pre 0.10 clients unable to verify the chain anymore. 1201323;1436905913;ascii_field;^ mechanism ? 1201324;1436905921;mircea_popescu;it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have. 1201325;1436905930;ascii_field;would love to read the logic behind this hypothesis 1201326;1436905944;ascii_field;(i 1201327;1436905950;ascii_field;'ve been looking myself, for this) 1201328;1436905951;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not fully understood yet, but it seems to exploit a buffer overflow in their own fucktarded code. 1201329;1436905963;mircea_popescu;anyway, run your own .6 or .7 and see what happens. 1201330;1436905973;ascii_field;i still have a 0.8, it runs 1201331;1436905989;mircea_popescu;but i said 6 or 7 1201332;1436905994;ascii_field;ah hm 1201333;1436906004;ascii_field;BingoBoingo ^ ? 1201334;1436906034;mircea_popescu;it doesn't work ALL the time either 1201335;1436906081;ascii_field;broomstick only needs to shoot once 1201336;1436906148;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201324 << waitasec, how's that work 1201337;1436906148;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 20:32:01; mircea_popescu: it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have. 1201338;1436906172;ascii_field;afaik i'm the only one actually running a public-facing realbitcoinotron 1201339;1436906180;mircea_popescu;the stator nodes don't suffer from it 1201340;1436906195;ascii_field;ah 1201341;1436906204;mircea_popescu;and no, i have nfi why 1201342;1436906219;ascii_field;actually i think i do 1201343;1436906226;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1201344;1436906254;ascii_field;we cremate orphan tx. and the 'tx spam' is sent in rapid succession, and depends on previous instances of same, and hence spends much of its life cycle as 'orphan tx' 1201345;1436906264;mircea_popescu;oh 1201346;1436906267;ascii_field;aha. 1201347;1436906269;mircea_popescu;yeah very probable. 1201348;1436906287;*;ascii_field does these things for actual reasonz 1201349;1436906316;mircea_popescu;yeah you know what, this work actually made a difference. 1201350;1436906325;ascii_field;spiffy. 1201351;1436906331;mircea_popescu;i have nfi where i'd be had b-a never happened and foundation never happened and etc, trying to make sense of this situation 1201352;1436906345;ascii_field;probably somewhere deep in the 2012 shitter 1201353;1436906349;mircea_popescu;as it is, i'll be moving infrastructure to strator. 1201354;1436906388;*;ascii_field will enjoy reading mircea_popescu's old node if he ever gets tired of it and prints it 1201355;1436906391;mircea_popescu;*towards* i guess, is the better word 1201356;1436906434;mircea_popescu;neway, needless to say, i'm actually impressed. for once world of shit averted. 1201357;1436906450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113593 @ 0.00054082 = 61.4334 BTC [-] {2} 1201358;1436906450;ascii_field;how, i must say i wonder, did mircea_popescu even persuade anyone to shovel the sheer tonnage of shit to write his soviet pdp clone 0.6 1201359;1436906451;mircea_popescu;had no particular expectation to see anything like this yet, either. 1201360;1436906464;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's complicated. 1201361;1436906488;ascii_field;if it was written by a phriend, i would love to see him among our number here. 1201362;1436906493;mircea_popescu;but the truth, in general, is that closed systems have a very short shelf life. you can get away with it for a matter of years, maybe, if you're very good at managing it. not decades. 1201363;1436906500;gernika;<+mircea_popescu> by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain. << got it. switched to another node and now syncing. 1201364;1436906834;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Takes about as much time as any other "problematic" block but gets chewed through just the same 1201365;1436906867;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: 0.7 ? 1201366;1436906899;mircea_popescu;what machine ? what's logs say ? 1201367;1436906936;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: 0.7.2 Just renumbered it to advertise as 0.7.3.9 1201368;1436906949;ascii_field;incidentally, there's never been a better time to open a zoo of these 1201369;1436906954;ascii_field;all known versions, etc 1201370;1436906954;mircea_popescu;hm. might be too late. 1201371;1436906957;mircea_popescu;yes. 1201372;1436906980;mircea_popescu;very much so. 1201373;1436906981;ascii_field;not too late, flood of crud still going strong. 1201374;1436906995;mircea_popescu;the "tx spam" bs never did anything. 1201375;1436906999;mircea_popescu;best i could tell anyway 1201376;1436907003;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1201377;1436907021;ascii_field;it 'did' the 950+kB blox, what else 1201378;1436907032;mircea_popescu;ah in that sense 1201379;1436907036;ascii_field;aha. 1201380;1436907043;mircea_popescu;nah, that block was a single tx. 1201381;1436907054;mircea_popescu;and it was not even relayed (as it's not in fact relayable) 1201382;1436907061;ascii_field;the one moving to/from 6-char brainwallets 1201383;1436907075;ascii_field;afaik it is part of the overall crap fleet. 1201384;1436907120;mircea_popescu;!up arhuaco 1201385;1436907182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00054811 = 64.677 BTC [+] 1201386;1436907356;BingoBoingo;Ah, looks like megatx never got here 1201387;1436907365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94426 @ 0.00053831 = 50.8305 BTC [-] 1201388;1436907638;mircea_popescu;well that'd explain it. 1201389;1436907688;thestringpuller;http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/win-win-blocksize/ << interesting haven't finished it tho 1201390;1436907704;thestringpuller;but love the line "This compulsion means that, for the first time, the opinion of the ignorant masses (if misled, or merely divided) can actually destroy Bitcoin." 1201391;1436908147;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200342 << twas my assperience 1201392;1436908147;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 03:27:43; asciilifeform: and stopped 1201393;1436908179;ben_vulpes;phf: didja grunt out a script or something else i could try? 1201394;1436908219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11323 @ 0.00053831 = 6.0953 BTC [-] {2} 1201395;1436908355;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/4f9a3353edb5edf22b8f889c0bc2486f/tumblr_n2apt70IYI1tsigedo1_1280.jpg << here's the woman, and here's the tech. therefore, woman in tech. 1201396;1436908357;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SlHgDk ) 1201397;1436908357;mircea_popescu;any questions 1201398;1436908937;mod6;!up assbot 1201399;1436908941;mod6;!up ascii_field 1201400;1436909256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107850 @ 0.00053831 = 58.0567 BTC [-] 1201401;1436909306;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: don't you mean tech in women? 1201402;1436909858;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: aka teledildonics? 1201403;1436909927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160874 @ 0.00055702 = 89.61 BTC [+] {3} 1201404;1436910232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146700 @ 0.00057024 = 83.6542 BTC [+] {4} 1201405;1436910556;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/39WJ5B5.txt 1201406;1436910557;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f0YpFG ) 1201407;1436910720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36924 @ 0.00053974 = 19.9294 BTC [-] 1201408;1436911208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36787 @ 0.00055576 = 20.4447 BTC [+] 1201409;1436912062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95431 @ 0.00055576 = 53.0367 BTC [+] 1201410;1436912150;Adlai;straw poll here, please 1201411;1436912160;Adlai;who's ever had somebody try to sell them bitcoins unsolicited? 1201412;1436912166;fluffypony;everyone 1201413;1436912175;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1201414;1436912176;*;Adlai only lost that cherry tonight 1201415;1436912180;ascii_field;Adlai: not me 1201416;1436912182;Adlai;aha 1201417;1436912183;*;trinque raises hand 1201418;1436912184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2000 @ 0.00111 = 2.22 BTC 1201419;1436912196;trinque;then the guy tried to give me some oddly 1201420;1436912199;mats;smells like a trap 1201421;1436912200;trinque;a miniscule amount 1201422;1436912202;*;Adlai is guessing that ascii_field steers clear of bitcoin "meetups", of all their shapes and forms 1201423;1436912224;trinque;mine was some scamzor from otc 1201424;1436912224;Adlai;exactly. i ratted the guy out in front of the group, it was a little hilarious 1201425;1436912232;*;ascii_field never went to anything even vaguely bitcoin-related in the flesh other than for mircea_popescu's c2 and c3 1201426;1436912232;Adlai;suddenly everybody tries to buy 1201427;1436912251;Adlai;HOW MUCH DID HE WANT etc 1201428;1436912265;Adlai;ascii_field: bitcoin != Bitcoins 1201429;1436912268;Adlai;shit 1201430;1436912272;Adlai;but you get the idea 1201431;1436912275;Adlai;one of those was a typo 1201432;1436912277;ascii_field;not them, either 1201433;1436912299;ascii_field;i live in wrong part of the world for this 1201434;1436912306;Adlai;as though i'm in the right part! 1201435;1436912311;Adlai;now it's my turn to 'lol' 1201436;1436912319;ascii_field;although university of maryland did have buterin over as guest speaker, apparently, some months ago 1201437;1436912328;ascii_field;i entirely missed this. 1201438;1436912349;Adlai;one good thing did come of the meetup, my new Bitcoin Price Index is fees/coin 1201439;1436912352;ascii_field;(they also had obama, no less than twice. also missed that. snore.) 1201440;1436912363;Adlai;the question is... which percentile of "fees" is used in the calculation 1201441;1436912375;Adlai;thus our answer is in fact just another question 1201442;1436912409;mats;missed it? as in, you wanted to go? 1201443;1436912416;ascii_field;no. 1201444;1436912437;ascii_field;missed as in, was vaguely aware and didn't give a flying fuck 1201445;1436912482;Adlai;please tell me it was the same event 1201446;1436912489;ascii_field;dun think so 1201447;1436912507;Adlai;last i heard, from the most reputable of reputables, obama was gunna "crush" bitcoin 1201448;1436912538;Adlai;few days later, 300, 160, who knows what. here we are today. 1201449;1436912543;*;Adlai goodnight 1201450;1436912703;pete_dushenski;the only thing obama is gonna crush are his video game enemies in 'easy' mode. 1201451;1436912749;pete_dushenski;the dude couldn't even put boots on the ground in syria, as fucking if he could do better than gavin and hearn. 1201452;1436912785;mats;hey, he armed ISIS. close enough to 'boots on the ground'. 1201453;1436912792;pete_dushenski;he could -maybe- throw a wrench in some up and coming social media app. maybe.. 1201454;1436912817;pete_dushenski;mats lol. now helping the enemy win is a victory ! 1201455;1436912836;pete_dushenski;because hey, can't just be losing wars for two generations straight. 1201456;1436912855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35231 @ 0.00054945 = 19.3577 BTC [-] {2} 1201457;1436912862;pete_dushenski;gotta find victories wherever you can. and, hell, just create them ex nihilo everywhere else. 1201458;1436912908;mats;well, they weren't the enemy at the time. just 'moderates' looking for cash and weapons to fight al-Assad 1201459;1436912916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75769 @ 0.00054324 = 41.1608 BTC [-] 1201460;1436912918;mats;circa 2011 iirc 1201461;1436912929;pete_dushenski;maybe if obama promises to pay eternal tribute to the caliphate, isis won't wipe his face in his own vomit. 1201462;1436912961;mats;hard to anticipate, they've gotta take baghdad first 1201463;1436912976;pete_dushenski;mats sure, in dreamlandia where anyone can be allies with the devil and then turn their back on him whenever they feel like it with no repercussions. 1201464;1436912979;mats;iran and the saudis are active in the region and may crush them yet 1201465;1436913010;mats;out of sheer self-interest and to return the balance of power to as it was 1201466;1436913015;pete_dushenski;saudis will fall to isis. 1201467;1436913025;pete_dushenski;there's little doubt of that. 1201468;1436913052;mats;i doubt it. 1201469;1436913080;pete_dushenski;saudis are already teetering on the bring of self-immolation post-abdullah 1201470;1436913086;pete_dushenski;brink* 1201471;1436913099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00057093 = 27.4332 BTC [+] 1201472;1436913122;pete_dushenski;i dun seriously think that the saudis are ruthless enough nor rich enough to win this contest 1201473;1436913146;trinque;and ISIS is rich enough? 1201474;1436913152;trinque;how many oil fields do they have now? 1201475;1436913166;pete_dushenski;a couple anyways. 1201476;1436913199;pete_dushenski;but isis has a sufficiently powerful 'why' that their soldiers are cheap and oh so very cut throat 1201477;1436913207;trinque;this much is true, yet 1201478;1436913213;*;trinque checks over his shoulder 1201479;1436913214;pete_dushenski;saudis don't stand for jack shit 1201480;1436913217;trinque;no isis yet boss 1201481;1436913225;trinque;just a lovely landscape 1201482;1436913258;trinque;among other things I think whatever successes ISIS has had reflect that nobody really wants to have Iraq or Syria be their problem 1201483;1436913295;pete_dushenski;and why should the middle east be anyone's problem other than that of the middle easterners ? 1201484;1436913304;trinque;I am talking about middle eastern powers 1201485;1436913342;trinque;I am not a scholar on the subject, but it seems as an outsider that the major factors are Saudi, Iran and Israel 1201486;1436913392;trinque;those seem to be perpetually beating war drums against eachother; perhaps ISIS is a complicating factor in that situation which none want to approach lest they unbalance the former 1201487;1436913402;decimation;saudis are not ruthless enough < I strongly doubt. Saudis would throw every merc in the world at someone challenging their rule 1201488;1436913404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54050 @ 0.00057227 = 30.9312 BTC [+] {2} 1201489;1436913411;decimation;also they would very likely summon usg 1201490;1436913434;pete_dushenski;trinque those 3, yes, plus usa currently holding down the eastern corners of the mediterranean with turkey and egypt 1201491;1436913445;pete_dushenski;decimation again, only if they can afford it 1201492;1436913484;pete_dushenski;it's incredibly, almost impossibly expensive to fight against an opponent as ideologically driven as isis (or b, tmsr~) 1201493;1436913485;decimation;if there's a threat to saudi rule - it's their own stomachs: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/saudis-solar-energy/395315/ 1201494;1436913487;assbot;Why the Saudis Are Going Solar - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBbTaz ) 1201495;1436913519;decimation;pete_dushenski: not really, it's quite simple, they would fall to a single marine division if on the field in open battle 1201496;1436913534;decimation;however, trying to dislodge them in an occupation war is another matter 1201497;1436913541;trinque;right 1201498;1436913585;pete_dushenski;aha, again, the expense of occupation of syria/lebanon is more than any soi-dissant 'world power' can seem to muster. 1201499;1436913594;decimation;yes, agreed 1201500;1436913609;decimation;mainly because nobody can convince themselves to give enough of a shit 1201501;1436913618;pete_dushenski;so battles can be won against isis, wars will be lost. 1201502;1436913618;trinque;it's reasonable to say that the appetite for total war in the west... ^ 1201503;1436913620;trinque;right 1201504;1436913647;decimation;yes, isis is much too young to expand beyond iraq/syria 1201505;1436913654;decimation;in 30 years after their rule is solidified... 1201506;1436913688;trinque;if what's said about their regressiveness regarding science is true, they're not going to amount to anything 1201507;1436913688;pete_dushenski;it won't take a generation if the saudi's run out of oil money 1201508;1436913694;decimation;aye, true 1201509;1436913715;trinque;they're going to what, shout about allah and shoot hand-me-down russian weapons? 1201510;1436913723;trinque;and the force of their will alone will overcome? 1201511;1436913726;trinque;I don't buy it at all 1201512;1436913735;pete_dushenski;trinque well, the west's 'science' is a largely (if not entirely) a lot of fluff 'epidemiology' 1201513;1436913736;trinque;they're a nuisance and if they become anything more they'll all be killed 1201514;1436913758;trinque;pete_dushenski: that has little to do with them ignoring the subject entirely 1201515;1436913772;trinque;I bet central americans had a great deal of "will" too 1201516;1436913782;pete_dushenski;i see them as being quite related, if throwing out the baby with the bathwater. 1201517;1436913823;pete_dushenski;trinque sorry, you're saying that isis is a nuisance that'll be wiped out if they get too uppity ?? 1201518;1436913835;trinque;I am indeed. 1201519;1436913863;decimation;it's political suicide in the us to commit to another full-scale middle east war, which is what is giving isis breathing room 1201520;1436913871;pete_dushenski;hm. i don't underestimate them to the same degree. 1201521;1436913883;trinque;pete_dushenski: I could very well see something 20 years down the line that's much different 1201522;1436913897;trinque;but it would require them getting that far 1201523;1436913906;pete_dushenski;isis will continue to grow, because that's what lifeforms do : they grow. 1201524;1436913917;trinque;they also go extinct 1201525;1436913919;pete_dushenski;so it'll start with syria/lebanon and keep going 1201526;1436913929;trinque;one might speculate it will; we'll see 1201527;1436913931;pete_dushenski;to saudi arabia, yemen, egypt, etc. 1201528;1436913952;decimation;maybe, but if this happens it probably won't be through open battle 1201529;1436913964;pete_dushenski;decimation i'm with you there. 1201530;1436913976;pete_dushenski;if isis is undone, it'll be from 'multicultural' technology 1201531;1436913984;pete_dushenski;from the inside out. 1201532;1436914016;pete_dushenski;i don't see an external player that has the means or the will to take them down. they're no wimpy upstart. isis means business. 1201533;1436914030;trinque;sure, and their ideology is based on magical thinking 1201534;1436914051;pete_dushenski;as all populist ideologies must be. 1201535;1436914075;pete_dushenski;hell, even the 'elite' ideologies can fall victim to dreams. 1201536;1436914093;trinque;let me put it this way: if something doesn't come along that could squash an ISIS in a moment, that's on us. 1201537;1436914110;trinque;they're primitive morons with weapons somebody else's war machine manufactured 1201538;1436914117;trinque;sitting on oil wells they didn't drill 1201539;1436914152;pete_dushenski;so what, bitcoin made the computers, chips, and internet infrastructure that it's taking over the world with ? 1201540;1436914182;pete_dushenski;we're all sitting on 5-10 year old hardware. idjits would readily call this 'primitive' 1201541;1436914185;trinque;I do not see the equivalence at all 1201542;1436914196;pete_dushenski;what you want 'advanced' weapons like nukes ? 1201543;1436914224;trinque;isis is a cargo cult thinking allah will bring them more russian or american weapons if they piss in the wind some more 1201544;1436914230;trinque;they will never make anything themselves 1201545;1436914242;decimation;tribalism is in the bones over there, I find it unlikely that a political entity could centralize power effectively 1201546;1436914247;pete_dushenski;trinque the equivalence is in the disruptive potential 1201547;1436914247;trinque;as for bitcoin, one *would* hope those working within it do understand the mechanics of the technology involved 1201548;1436914283;trinque;pete_dushenski: of what 1201549;1436914288;trinque;on ISIS' side 1201550;1436914300;trinque;there's nothing novel or interesting about their ideology 1201551;1436914307;pete_dushenski;the nation states of the middle east as we know/knew them. 1201552;1436914309;trinque;mongols they are not 1201553;1436914319;trinque;they're not going to build a working empire when they're done 1201554;1436914346;pete_dushenski;doesn't appear to me that they're trying to build an 'empire' in the centralised sense of the term 1201555;1436914386;pete_dushenski;decimation perhaps not. though if you spill enough blood... 1201556;1436914398;phf;ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle 1201557;1436914423;pete_dushenski;trinque i mean hey, if isis were going the centralised route, don't you think they'd have a king or ruler already ? 1201558;1436914443;trinque;they've got that baghdadi guy 1201559;1436914454;decimation;they do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi 1201560;1436914455;assbot;Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBdvRI ) 1201561;1436914462;trinque;and if they can't organize past that level, all the better 1201562;1436914463;pete_dushenski;instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag 1201563;1436914478;trinque;mongols had a khan 1201564;1436914539;trinque;furthermore if all they can manage is guns and missiles, the non-morons that understand science can respond with defensive technology that makes that irrelevant 1201565;1436914567;pete_dushenski;not necessarily 1201566;1436914587;pete_dushenski;under your defensive technology is a satellite colony orbiting the earth 1201567;1436914606;trinque;cities have defended themselves well against raiding hordes of morons before 1201568;1436914611;pete_dushenski;ideologies will rip through the heart of whatever armour you've got. 1201569;1436914615;trinque;we build them today like they're safe from all that 1201570;1436914618;trinque;doesn't mean we have to 1201571;1436914624;trinque;and theirs is what? 1201572;1436914634;trinque;praise be to allah the space god and pass the ammunition? 1201573;1436914637;trinque;come on 1201574;1436914637;pete_dushenski;trinque pre-instant communication tech, sure. 1201575;1436914664;pete_dushenski;protecting yourself used to be a physical issue. 1201576;1436914678;trinque;and how is their ideology going to rip through my heart? 1201577;1436914749;pete_dushenski;i'm not saying it will. 1201578;1436914756;pete_dushenski;i'm saying that it's war. 1201579;1436914763;trinque;ah well there we agree 1201580;1436914765;pete_dushenski;only the losers get ripped. 1201581;1436914772;trinque;I would just like to see bitcoin kill these morons too 1201582;1436914793;trinque;2015 is no place for desert gods 1201583;1436914812;trinque;(unless as I said, it's outside great cryptographic walls) 1201584;1436914815;pete_dushenski;well, human brains are still human brains, i'm afraid 1201585;1436914852;trinque;might very well be that something like ISIS will kill a great many "westerners" in the future 1201586;1436914853;pete_dushenski;and it'll take more than a generation, or even a hundred, to change our defaults 1201587;1436914858;trinque;and I could still imagine a world where I don't care 1201588;1436914900;pete_dushenski;trinque for sure, because those 'westerners' are a bunch of blinded sheep who could use a good raping 1201589;1436914998;trinque;I had this incredibly vivid dream years ago of a city which denied access based on some mechanism (undefined in the dream) of verifying identity and relationship to those dwelling within 1201590;1436915021;trinque;walls and automated weapons prevented entry by unsanctioned means 1201591;1436915027;trinque;entering the gate meant being approved to do so 1201592;1436915031;trinque;ancient as it gets 1201593;1436915039;trinque;this is what I would like to live within someday 1201594;1436915041;pete_dushenski;like babylon eh 1201595;1436915047;trinque;not something where every moron can piss on my front lawn 1201596;1436915051;pete_dushenski;walls 30 stories tall 1201597;1436915054;trinque;indeed 1201598;1436915061;trinque;and if ISIS wants to keep the outsiders busy, have at it 1201599;1436915175;pete_dushenski;well as long as you don't move the middle east, you can probably get by where you are, even without the ginormous walls. 1201600;1436915230;pete_dushenski;it's one thing for isis to whip their compatriots into shape, it'd be an order of magnitude more resource intensive to bother with us.istan. 1201601;1436915247;trinque;usistan may fall over on its own before they come of age 1201602;1436915298;pete_dushenski;federal gov may 'fall over' but the only thing most people will notice is how much lighter the weight on their shoulders is 1201603;1436915305;pete_dushenski;life will go on. 1201604;1436915308;trinque;heh, true enough 1201605;1436915374;pete_dushenski;mebbe chinese come in to rape the blondies and suck up the minerals, maybe they can't be bothered and they leave the peoples formerly known as 'americans' to reoganise themselves 1201606;1436915405;pete_dushenski;that could be along existing state lines, or regions could be smaller or larger. 1201607;1436915411;pete_dushenski;hard to say, really. 1201608;1436915758;pete_dushenski;anyways, i'm off. don't be surprised if this convo makes it into a post :D 1201609;1436915844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162697 @ 0.00056912 = 92.5941 BTC [-] {4} 1201610;1436915905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59332 @ 0.0005728 = 33.9854 BTC [+] {3} 1201611;1436916017;trinque;;;later tell pete_dushenski I've enjoyed when they do. 1201612;1436916018;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1201613;1436916053;BingoBoingo;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143645596526530&w=2 1201614;1436916055;assbot;'BitCoin donations to the OpenBSD Foundation.' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBgUQe ) 1201615;1436916087;trinque;so don't use bitpay, guy 1201616;1436916102;trinque;"Sorry for any inconvenience, this is just how these things work." << lol 1201617;1436916376;mircea_popescu;derp. 1201618;1436916391;BingoBoingo;;;google site:trilema.com Bob Beck 1201619;1436916392;gribble;The public burning of Bob Beck on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on Trilema ...: ; "I saw, and was saddened." on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: 1201620;1436916454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73869 @ 0.00057393 = 42.3956 BTC [+] {2} 1201621;1436917791;mircea_popescu;they've decided they wanna hang out with wintel and the rest of the "good guys in their own mind" club 1201622;1436918061;BingoBoingo;At least Bob Beck's financial crowd. Thing was saved by the forces of good, then the forces of Microshit came with ongoing whatever the fuck 1201623;1436918307;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1201624;1436918314;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 287.42, vol: 10360.89110159 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.2, vol: 7314.37326 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 287.21, vol: 23271.55971267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 298.0, vol: 4.75786649 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 287.816427, vol: 16983.68120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 288.70809, vol: 36.26405777 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 280.990219008, vol: 72.01758395 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1201625;1436918317;BingoBoingo;;;more 1201626;1436918317;gribble;average: 286.913709409 1201627;1436918467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38353 @ 0.00057406 = 22.0169 BTC [+] {2} 1201628;1436918833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205357 @ 0.00057561 = 118.2055 BTC [+] {3} 1201629;1436919504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2147 @ 0.00111 = 2.3832 BTC 1201630;1436919626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60043 @ 0.00057715 = 34.6538 BTC [+] 1201631;1436920309;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1 1201632;1436920602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10217 @ 0.00054324 = 5.5503 BTC [-] 1201633;1436920964;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/W8l1edn 1201634;1436920965;assbot;Sorry for potato quality - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtiZZ3 ) 1201635;1436920968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70685 @ 0.00057736 = 40.8107 BTC [+] {3} 1201636;1436921074;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/276763 1201637;1436921074;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1Htj9jc ) 1201638;1436921273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99314 @ 0.00054324 = 53.9513 BTC [-] 1201639;1436921402;BingoBoingo;Even today, nasa with the JPEG plumes https://www.xkcd.com/ 1201640;1436921402;assbot;xkcd: Pluto ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtjCCa ) 1201641;1436921550;trinque;https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/sys/5083994161.html << I am considering grabbing this thing if it doesn't look too beat-up in person. 1201642;1436921552;assbot;HP DL 585 Server ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtjOBa ) 1201643;1436921567;trinque;seems like a decent box for bitcoin dev and other projects 1201644;1436921575;BingoBoingo;https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html 1201645;1436921576;assbot;FreeBSD Code of Conduct ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtjUZu ) 1201646;1436921589;trinque;price is a little oddly low 1201647;1436921601;BingoBoingo;trinque: Pull the trigger 1201648;1436921615;trinque;waiting on the guy's response 1201649;1436921639;BingoBoingo;24BG of RAM on an Opteron machine at that price, shit is better than Ebay 1201650;1436921761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42921 @ 0.00053831 = 23.1048 BTC [-] 1201651;1436922057;gernika;BingoBoingo I paid roughly 7x for a similar configuration (new) 1201652;1436922073;BingoBoingo;I know that is a fucking steal. 1201653;1436922184;cazalla;https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/ 1201654;1436922185;assbot;Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. : announcements ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtkMgP ) 1201655;1436922271;cazalla;"Neither Alexis nor I created reddit to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen: These are very complicated issues, and we are putting a lot of thought into it." bit of a contradiction eh 1201656;1436922346;trinque;eh, cowards 1201657;1436922355;trinque;how's voat doing? 1201658;1436922357;*;trinque checks 1201659;1436922444;trinque;not too bad actually 1201660;1436922531;BingoBoingo;Voat just has growing pains. The fat hate movement isn't the only thing carrying Voat anymore. 1201661;1436922737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84048 @ 0.00054298 = 45.6364 BTC [+] 1201662;1436922989;trinque;aw yeah, hp server guy replied 1201663;1436923032;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1201664;1436923166;trinque;claims it lived in a climate-controlled data center its whole life 1201665;1436923170;trinque;probably true, given what it is 1201666;1436923175;trinque;I wonder if a local tech company went under 1201667;1436923334;BingoBoingo;Likely 1201668;1436923369;asciilifeform;rip openbsd. 1201669;1436923369;*;BingoBoingo contemplating blasphemy and getting a "late model" mac 1201670;1436923393;*;asciilifeform would also say 'rip freebsd' but it died for him when it went with clang 1201671;1436923445;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al: that's approx. the correct price for a machine of that type and vintage, if one buys from a local scrap dealer 1201672;1436923449;*;asciilifeform sometimes does 1201673;1436923469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.000574 = 16.359 BTC [+] 1201674;1436923481;asciilifeform;'server' mobos have an annoying habit of including 'remote management' crapolade, however. caveat emptor. 1201675;1436923493;trinque;can I neuter that? 1201676;1436923502;*;BingoBoingo getting tempted into a mac mini by cheap machine spacific colo offers 1201677;1436923503;asciilifeform;best neuter is for it not to be there. 1201678;1436923523;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: worst possible choice. plenty of boxes with identical specs costing 50-60% of what crapple wants 1201679;1436923530;asciilifeform;(specs including size and mass) 1201680;1436923538;trinque;seems otherwise like a good snag of amd hardware 1201681;1436923565;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: probably physically smallest amd x86-64 is the 'pcengines' linked in earlier thread 1201682;1436923575;asciilifeform;i have several, at $dayjob 1201683;1436923578;asciilifeform;comes with schematics even. 1201684;1436923579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Looking used. Trying to find hosts that take similar machines for colo at similar prices. 1201685;1436923589;asciilifeform;it is about 7/8th inch tall. 1201686;1436923621;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm << it 1201687;1436923622;assbot;PC Engines apu system boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtmS06 ) 1201688;1436923632;asciilifeform;they also sell smaller x86 boards, 1201689;1436923640;asciilifeform;(cpu soldered down on all of them) 1201690;1436923646;BingoBoingo;I might start mailing some of these people about whenther they take machines smaller than mac mini at mac mini rate 1201691;1436923657;asciilifeform;i esp. like the 100% open bios 1201692;1436923671;asciilifeform;one of the few x86 boxes still manufactured, which supports this 1201693;1436923685;asciilifeform;down sides include a total absence of video 1201694;1436923707;asciilifeform;you will not be connecting a tele-kvm to this thing - unless your colo has the serial port kind 1201695;1436923746;asciilifeform;also i'm not entirely certain why your colo box has to be an x86 1201696;1436923755;asciilifeform;but as far as those go, this is probably the size/mass/cost champ 1201697;1436923807;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well I'm looking at services like this http://macstadium.com/colo and a few other options that go down to $25-26, but so far this one has the least objectional terms 1201698;1436923808;assbot;MacStadium - Dedicated Mac Mini Hosting, Colocation, and Cloud Solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Htn7Za ) 1201699;1436923917;asciilifeform;ugh 1201700;1436923924;asciilifeform;betcha crapple subsidizes. 1201701;1436923930;BingoBoingo;Would use to run many-connections bitcoin node plus services, and maybe a couple static html pages 1201702;1436923962;BingoBoingo;Eh, they let you supply own box. 1201703;1436923984;BingoBoingo;May try shoving pc engines in mac mini chassis 1201704;1436924013;asciilifeform;they let you supply own, but probably has to be the apple 1201705;1436924028;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you do the switcheroo, make sure thing has ethernet mac addr from the old unit 1201706;1436924040;asciilifeform;or rather, an addr in apple's registered range 1201707;1436924052;asciilifeform;(hope to not get lucky & get existing) 1201708;1436924060;BingoBoingo;Seems a sensible precaution. 1201709;1436924093;asciilifeform;not sure where you'd get a mobo that fits in the original case without looking odd 1201710;1436924101;asciilifeform;(the jacks have to line up with the holes, no?) 1201711;1436924106;BingoBoingo;Generally been pricing 2011 and earlier minis (including G4 models) 1201712;1436924112;asciilifeform;ugh 1201713;1436924129;BingoBoingo; (the jacks have to line up with the holes, no?) Only eth0 jack matters... Arts&Crafts 1201714;1436924134;asciilifeform;can get hosting on an old p3 (equiv. of fastest g4) for less than the quoted price 1201715;1436924139;asciilifeform;with hoster-supplied box, too 1201716;1436924159;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: eth0, dc in, usb for the telekvm... 1201717;1436924182;BingoBoingo;If configured at home is kvm even necessary? 1201718;1436924204;asciilifeform;perhaps not 1201719;1436924226;BingoBoingo;Most of these services seem to have a daily charge for troubleshooting with their KVM adapters 1201720;1436924237;asciilifeform;whole thing sounds scammy 1201721;1436924254;asciilifeform;why colo host, to begin with ? 1201722;1436924260;BingoBoingo;It does. 1201723;1436924265;asciilifeform;i can think of a few cases where it makes sense, but is this one ? 1201724;1436924284;BingoBoingo;Colo host to get box out of house so I don't have to see macbomination 1201725;1436924301;asciilifeform;don't have to see it if you don't buy one, l0l 1201726;1436924327;BingoBoingo;Also configure at home seems like a nice alternative to cpanel dedibortion or vps. 1201727;1436924362;asciilifeform;that, it does 1201728;1436924366;BingoBoingo;Want machine to live in datacenter, not eating home bandwidth. getting maximal bitcoind connections at min dollars 1201729;1436924377;*;asciilifeform lulz at the memory of how never saw 'cpanel' anywhere until mircea_popescu's 1201730;1436924382;BingoBoingo;lol 1201731;1436924402;BingoBoingo;Saw at Godaddy in the past... Apparently powers their shared hosting 1201732;1436924440;trinque;we (which is to say they) used it at an old shitty php job 1201733;1436924473;trinque;specifically whm I guess 1201734;1436924513;trinque;that was a lulzy job; worked on software for those ebay pawn shops 1201735;1436924613;*;BingoBoingo was planning if acquired mac mini to install max ram, max sub $200 SSD, OpenBSD 5.6, Set up SSH keys, bitcoind sync, and ship 1201736;1436924639;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201562 << those folks have 'ideology' like a forest fire does. 1201737;1436924639;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 22:54:23; pete_dushenski: instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag 1201738;1436924657;asciilifeform;i suppose 'combustible things must combust' is ideology then. 1201739;1436924691;mod6;BingoBoingo: i was kinda thinkin the same thing, could be a market for someone to just ship a drive ready to go. 1201740;1436924713;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201563 << mongols were able to produce the state-of-art weapons of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own. 1201741;1436924713;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 22:54:38; trinque: mongols had a khan 1201742;1436924729;trinque;state of the art fighting techniques too 1201743;1436924759;trinque;and then held down a vast empire with a sane legal system and so on 1201744;1436924771;trinque;these are a bunch of twitter-posting imbeciles with AKs 1201745;1436924811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43546 @ 0.00055289 = 24.0761 BTC [-] 1201746;1436924823;trinque;that's not really fair, they are also whatever's left of saddam's army 1201747;1436924839;BingoBoingo;ISIS takes state of the art fighting weapons and USia spends Imperial treasure on F-35 redefining state of the art as shittier 1201748;1436924875;asciilifeform;wake me up when the untermenschen can produce so much as one brass shell. 1201749;1436924877;asciilifeform;on their own. 1201750;1436924933;mats;plenty of war materiel and munitions for purchase 1201751;1436924985;asciilifeform;mats: presently - for phree! 1201752;1436924991;mats;no reason why they can't subsist on ru supply chain indefinitely 1201753;1436925002;asciilifeform;while supplies last (tm) 1201754;1436925043;asciilifeform;ru newz media are kinda lulzy in re: 'isis': invariably prefix with 'islamic army, the organization banned in our country, has...' 1201755;1436925047;mats;NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price 1201756;1436925067;mats;just, you know, not directly. 1201757;1436925083;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201615 << i'd like to know what he oughta use. to turn those coins into food, rent, mains power. 1201758;1436925083;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 23:21:27; trinque: so don't use bitpay, guy 1201759;1436925091;asciilifeform;dealer in dark alley ? 1201760;1436925114;mats;-otc? 1201761;1436925115;asciilifeform;i mean, yes, bitpay is a usg op 1201762;1436925118;asciilifeform;what otc. 1201763;1436925129;asciilifeform;the one that's just about entirely dead, as far as my naked eye can see ? 1201764;1436925216;danielpbarron;mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << reminds me of Milo from Catch-22 1201765;1436925252;mats;;;book BTC 1201766;1436925253;gribble;Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=BTC to see list of orders for this item. 1201767;1436925319;trinque;asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels 1201768;1436925350;trinque;or CAD or whatever they like best 1201769;1436925352;mats;;;book USD 1201770;1436925352;gribble;Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=USD to see list of orders for this item. 1201771;1436925376;mats;plenty of middlemen to be had for the right price as far as i can see 1201772;1436925413;trinque;well I'm not sure, is there a sort of AML/KYC equivalent for donations? 1201773;1436925475;mats;for the folks cashing btc, prob 1201774;1436925586;trinque;if so, it plainly illustrates the degree to which these things have crept forward.. 1201775;1436925615;trinque;I can toss a 50 into the goodwill box anonymously, but not BTC 1201776;1436925655;trinque;no one ever busted up a piss-odorous santa ringing his bell outside walmart 1201777;1436926040;BingoBoingo; i mean, yes, bitpay is a usg op << My impression is BitPay is under such constraints because born insufficiently USG, now merely avoiding a Shreming 1201778;1436926153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00053831 = 4.145 BTC [-] {2} 1201779;1436926377;BingoBoingo;And all the pederasty that comes with it 1201780;1436926716;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201329 << confirmed. I haven't bothered to boot my 0.7.2 node back up since my power outage because it was completely wedged from this thing 1201781;1436926716;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 20:32:43; mircea_popescu: anyway, run your own .6 or .7 and see what happens. 1201782;1436926741;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: try it now ? 1201783;1436926770;danielpbarron;you want me to boot it up? I bet it will still be wedged as I haven't done anything to it 1201784;1436926774;asciilifeform;aha 1201785;1436926791;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1201767 << if you have a usd-denominated bank account, it probably does not matter through which channels you turn btc into usd 1201786;1436926791;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 01:55:19; trinque: asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels 1201787;1436926807;asciilifeform;every single movement of the bank is reported. 1201788;1436926809;danielpbarron;i'm sure I can manually feed it blocks or whatever the fix is, but my 0.5.3.1-beta node didn't need manual intervention / is currently synced 1201789;1436926821;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i specifically want to see what ends up in the log 1201790;1436926828;asciilifeform;as it tries to catch up 1201791;1436926845;danielpbarron;you want my debug.log files? 1201792;1436926848;*;trinque departs to pick up new puter 1201793;1436926849;asciilifeform;tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log > somewhere.txt 1201794;1436926856;asciilifeform;as it runs. 1201795;1436926867;danielpbarron;also i've been saving up debug.log between restarts via cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log 1201796;1436926880;asciilifeform;above works better 1201797;1436926897;danielpbarron;yes I now see why that would be better and feel foolish for the way I had been doing it 1201798;1436926927;danielpbarron;funny too because I have tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log going 24/7 but as a way of monitoring it 1201799;1436927403;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33414358 << historical lulz 1201800;1436927404;assbot;Eric Roberts: The spy who suffered - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4O3BQ ) 1201801;1436927434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155114 @ 0.00054444 = 84.4503 BTC [+] {2} 1201802;1436927495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60536 @ 0.00053788 = 32.5611 BTC [-] 1201803;1436927527;ag3nt_zer0;cause for concern? or just another wiggle-the-sore-tooth obsession? http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-racist_mathematics 1201804;1436927528;assbot;Anti-racist mathematics - Psychology Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OcVZ ) 1201805;1436927551;ag3nt_zer0;"While Western mathematicians often claim Western mathematics is universal, anti-racist mathematics and ethnomathematics scholars share the assumption that any given mathematical understanding or practice is a product of a particular culture.[4] Scholars such as C. K. Raju have advocated multicultural mathematics, in which different cultures can develop different forms of mathematics." 1201806;1436927633;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: the (present-day) west's academitardia is trolling. ignore the lot of'em. 1201807;1436927700;ag3nt_zer0;yes but the entertsinment! 1201808;1436927709;ag3nt_zer0;heh 1201809;1436927769;ag3nt_zer0;how's your day asciilifeform? 1201810;1436927773;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26365085 << related, re: provocateurs 1201811;1436927774;assbot;MI5 spy controlled UK Nazi group, files reveal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OkES ) 1201812;1436927817;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) 1201813;1436927845;asciilifeform;'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime' 1201814;1436927861;mircea_popescu;cazalla ah the mystery unravels, they wanted the guy as ceo so as to buy some legitimacy for something stupid they want to do. 1201815;1436927970;ag3nt_zer0;whats a pr013? proletariat? 1201816;1436927974;mircea_popescu;in other news : i am satisfied that the 363730 fork and the 363730-363736 dead chain contain nothing remarkable from a "hey guise they switched out the blokchanin" perspective. so i'm letting this rest. 1201817;1436927990;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: hard to describe unless you live here. 1201818;1436928004;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: the 'offensively poor' as described in mircea_popescu's articles. 1201819;1436928032;asciilifeform;and the accoutrements that go with them (blatantly recycled food, tabloids, lottery crapolade, etc) 1201820;1436928053;mircea_popescu;iirc the term was lumpen 1201821;1436928054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was largely empty, iirc ! 1201822;1436928059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it! lumpens. 1201823;1436928061;mircea_popescu;as in lumpenproletariat 1201824;1436928068;asciilifeform;aha 1201825;1436928077;asciilifeform;but these have somewhat different flavours in different places. 1201826;1436928158;mircea_popescu;of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own. << in no way did they do this. they merely went around with a horde of gypsies, chinese, etc. heck, the siege of byzantium used a hungarian cannonmaster. 1201827;1436928171;mircea_popescu;in this sense, the few captive "us trainers" they have work exactly like the mongols' 1201828;1436928172;asciilifeform;turks 1201829;1436928181;asciilifeform;hungarian cannonmaster, siege, -- turks 1201830;1436928224;mircea_popescu; NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << god knows romania has been doing it for a decade straight. 1201831;1436928224;asciilifeform;but point taken. there is actually a mega-lulzy ru film about a captive ru derp used as 'computermaster' by chechens 1201832;1436928301;ag3nt_zer0;it would be cool if readers in this group had a "Recommended readings" list or something... that would be awesome actually 1201833;1436928326;mats;costco is great 1201834;1436928328;ag3nt_zer0;well, I would love it at any rate 1201835;1436928349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80787 @ 0.00054878 = 44.3343 BTC [+] 1201836;1436928357;asciilifeform;mats: i kinda wonder how many subscribers are paying not to see the lumpens 1201837;1436928371;asciilifeform;rather than for the 2 percent off chumpatronics 1201838;1436928371;mircea_popescu; 'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime' << used to shop at their equiv in ro. "selgros". 1201839;1436928399;mats;dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol 1201840;1436928404;danielpbarron;ag3nt_zer0, http://danielpbarron.com/ascii_book_list.txt 1201841;1436928405;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OJam ) 1201842;1436928416;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: php got Eulora running on OSX... did he do anything different than is on the wiki? 1201843;1436928431;mircea_popescu;iirc he updated the wiki to reflect his experience. 1201844;1436928434;mats;they can't exclude plebs for those particular purchases i believe 1201845;1436928445;asciilifeform;mats: the one i went to had a bouncer. 1201846;1436928451;asciilifeform;no photo card - no enter. 1201847;1436928472;mats;lol 1201848;1436928478;asciilifeform;also no credit cards, but 'amex' 1201849;1436928501;mircea_popescu;the romania version requires you to have a corp registered 1201850;1436928504;mats;really? no MC/Visa? 1201851;1436928506;ag3nt_zer0;I was following then got all paranoid and been stuck on researching what GCC is, whether or not it can compromise system, and whether this is all an elaborate scam to get my non-existent bitcoins 1201852;1436928508;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1201853;1436928509;asciilifeform;mats: aha. nope 1201854;1436928523;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 gcc is the basic compiler. your kernel was compiled in it. 1201855;1436928530;mats;never seen one like that. but i have been tempted to get a 'costco amex', the rates are good and amex has historically had great customer service 1201856;1436928541;mats;and i hear their entire back-end is mostly paper 1201857;1436928549;asciilifeform;mats: the clerk informed me (when collecting my hundy) that their amex thing will vanish next year. 1201858;1436928554;*;danielpbarron has amex 1201859;1436928555;asciilifeform;leaving hell knows what, if anything 1201860;1436928569;ag3nt_zer0;danielpbarron: thanks! 1201861;1436928588;BingoBoingo; mats: aha. nope << Other cards still work if processed as "debit" rather than "credit" 1201862;1436928591;mod6;so i've got the two binaries recompiled, not stripped. not exactly sure what i'm looking for in here. doing a diff with objdump. 1201863;1436928594;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha 1201864;1436928597;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/Lqg4D 1201865;1436928598;assbot;tootie comments on Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OU5i ) 1201866;1436928598;mod6;i have serached forward to SSL 1201867;1436928615;mats;that sounds dicey. wouldn't want to input a PIN at their POS 1201868;1436928639;asciilifeform;iirc they also take old-fashioned money. 1201869;1436928666;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's a miracle of fiat makingall sorts of distinctions where same accounts use many different payment network messes 1201870;1436928687;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the operative distinction is 'no chargebacks', i think 1201871;1436928716;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's the terms of chargebacks more often 1201872;1436928727;BingoBoingo;fiat is weird 1201873;1436928745;*;danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" 1201874;1436928757;mats;asciilifeform: is there a repository on the internets somewhere for windows symbol files (not Windows Symbol Server)? 1201875;1436928771;asciilifeform;mats: not afaik 1201876;1436928778;asciilifeform;but if exists, probably .ru 1201877;1436928781;asciilifeform;try yandex. 1201878;1436928786;mats;i'm looking for a pdb to 'vwififlt.sys', for an intel wifi card i believe 1201879;1436928811;mats;ok 1201880;1436928812;asciilifeform;i can't think of a reason to suspect that this was ever public, but doesn't hurt to look. 1201881;1436928838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65888 @ 0.00053749 = 35.4141 BTC [-] {2} 1201882;1436928857;ag3nt_zer0;Today I was looking at LoperOS and one of the things I read was his article about the kill switch... searched the logs for commentary but didn't find too much. But I thought maybe I had read something addressing it on Trilema... is that right? 1201883;1436928899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19362 @ 0.00053467 = 10.3523 BTC [-] 1201884;1436928929;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys' 1201885;1436928937;asciilifeform;why this was - i can't recall. might like to ask him. 1201886;1436928950;BingoBoingo; dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol << Rules for this happen on a state-by-state basis. Normally the "shame" keeps all but saviest lumps out 1201887;1436928963;ag3nt_zer0;was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address? 1201888;1436928984;BingoBoingo; was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address? << at the time likely in part 1201889;1436928991;decimation;re: costco amex < yeah I posted about this awhile ago. turns out amex didn't want to 'make a deal' to keep costco, and instead steer their business toward servicing poor folks at walmart 1201890;1436929012;asciilifeform;decimation: this is doubly lulzy because amex is the 'pay to play' cc issuer 1201891;1436929013;*;decimation has costco amex, will drop when replaced next year 1201892;1436929041;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah it is lulzy. I've heard from some small time merchants that amex dropped their transaction fees below visa/mc 1201893;1436929051;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: hard to argue that ~coins that never move~ are 'e-wallets behind one address' 1201894;1436929057;decimation;they know a huge chunk of their business comes from rich folks with costco amex cards 1201895;1436929125;decimation;asciilifeform: also somewhat little known about costco amex: you can walk in with your annual refund check and they will pay you in cash 1201896;1436929146;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: could be wrong but I thought he was addressing the tx volume with that statement 1201897;1436929217;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: the 'atomic bomb' is - now, as when i wrote the piece- -- the mega-holdings under a sole key, which never move. 1201898;1436929242;asciilifeform;this bomb is there, whether anyone wants to talk about it or not, and may - or may not - explode one day 1201899;1436929268;asciilifeform;one might suppose that its existence is 'priced into the market' somehow. 1201900;1436929288;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: oh that was you... very enjoyable reading btw... 1201901;1436929311;decimation;asciilifeform: all that early btc is probably offset by the big chunk that has been lost forever 1201902;1436929313;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: the paper referenced in the article, however, has nothing to do with me 1201903;1436929316;BingoBoingo;So Iran nuclear deal... Only actual impact is Persian agricultural goods pricing Israeli agricultural goods out of the market? 1201904;1436929325;asciilifeform;decimation: thing is, nothing can ever be proven 'lost forever' 1201905;1436929331;decimation;true. 1201906;1436929335;asciilifeform;one, or none, of those keys - may turn up. 1201907;1436929346;decimation;same with the 'satoshi horde' 1201908;1436929355;asciilifeform;speaking broadly, of all of'em. 1201909;1436929600;mod6;well, at least `objdump -T bitcoind` shows: objdump: bitcoind-woNoShared: not a dynamic object \ DYNAMIC SYMBOL TABLE: \ no symbols 1201910;1436929611;mircea_popescu;sounds legit. 1201911;1436929643;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: do you still consider the bitcoin-p option as viable? 1201912;1436929683;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: it wasn't especially viable then. and after adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form, i can't think of who might voluntarily work with such a thing today 1201913;1436929685;asciilifeform;other than the moles 1201914;1436929711;asciilifeform;i certainly have no interest in it now. 1201915;1436929736;asciilifeform;was mainly a gedankenexperiment, of somehow attaching wot ratings to coin in a permanent way. 1201916;1436929748;ag3nt_zer0;"adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form" << via buterin's waterfall? 1201917;1436929752;asciilifeform;nah 1201918;1436929753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232300 @ 0.00055483 = 128.887 BTC [+] {3} 1201919;1436929756;asciilifeform;'red/white-listing' 1201920;1436929764;asciilifeform;see hearn 1201921;1436929995;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see the lulzy quote: http://dpaste.com/0E6JFXW.txt 1201922;1436929996;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Htub8e ) 1201923;1436930024;asciilifeform;aha 1201924;1436930155;mircea_popescu;til that if you chown public_html away from apache squirrelmail fails to function anymore 1201925;1436930159;mircea_popescu;all this logic... 1201926;1436930221;BingoBoingo;In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese 1201927;1436930263;decimation;asciilifeform: you should try 'wegmans' 1201928;1436930280;trinque;if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?! 1201929;1436930293;mod6;475M bitcoind-woNoShared.s << lol 1201930;1436930293;BingoBoingo;lol, take it trinque 1201931;1436930296;asciilifeform;decimation: there's no shortage of this kind of thing, as i understand 1201932;1436930297;trinque;BingoBoingo: I did! 1201933;1436930304;BingoBoingo;Nice trinque 1201934;1436930321;trinque;alright, so how do we find the govt-grade malware embedded in this thing's mobo? 1201935;1436930323;trinque;asciilifeform: ^ 1201936;1436930327;mircea_popescu;lol 1201937;1436930330;asciilifeform;trinque: l0l 1201938;1436930336;mod6;<+trinque> if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?! << wat srsly? 1201939;1436930338;mircea_popescu;no but i like how he thinks 1201940;1436930347;asciilifeform;trinque: at least do it the honour of preserving the stray bits on the hdds 1201941;1436930351;trinque;certainly 1201942;1436930362;trinque;though it's been wiped by the owner in between me and kernel.org 1201943;1436930376;trinque;got 8 scsi drives though, so maybe there are goods to be found 1201944;1436930417;asciilifeform;a local scrap dealer i will not presently name, sells retired usg contractors' boxes, often with whole shebang still in. 1201945;1436930429;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lryivdvQt21r2lyd3o1_1280.jpg 1201946;1436930431;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtuPCK ) 1201947;1436930445;mod6;let's see if i can break diff... 1201948;1436930455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hmmpppfffmf! 1201949;1436930512;decimation;asciilifeform: lol they don't wipe drives? 1201950;1436930518;asciilifeform;apparently not. 1201951;1436930566;asciilifeform;(firms that actually go under, will often leave intact 'fossils' of themselves) 1201952;1436930588;decimation;too bad you don't have such goods for smbx 1201953;1436930599;asciilifeform;decade+ too late 1201954;1436930603;asciilifeform;quite possibly others - do 1201955;1436930649;asciilifeform;i've said it before, and will say again - smbx is a dead end. i will not maintain crapcode that mit undergrads wrote in 1979. 1201956;1436930658;asciilifeform;in all caps, no less. 1201957;1436930665;asciilifeform;it is educational - yes. 1201958;1436930670;trinque;https://i.imgur.com/7zzMNgv.jpg << tramp stamp 1201959;1436930671;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Htv80h ) 1201960;1436930686;asciilifeform;building new things on it? even if usg were not getting in the way? not so appealing imho 1201961;1436930774;asciilifeform;(for completeness, i will note that i will not maintain code mit undergrads wrote in '89. or '99. or '09. or at all.) 1201962;1436930954;BingoBoingo;Anyone as of yet spot my OpenBSD 0.7-ish build in the wild. Returns version 0.7.3.9 for the time being 1201963;1436930997;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm still burning to learn why you're maintaining 0.7 1201964;1436930999;asciilifeform;if it's no secret 1201965;1436931039;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Build on OpenBSD with flags I use and missing from 0.5.x atm like getpeerinfo 1201966;1436931066;BingoBoingo;Also last pre-Hearnia release 1201967;1436931228;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'getpeerinfo' isn't so hard. consider contributing a patch ? 1201968;1436931260;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: working on understanding it first 1201969;1436931535;BingoBoingo;Will likely get actual minrelaytxfee patch in first 1201970;1436931684;BingoBoingo;turns out in original I had helpfile line wrong 1201971;1436931978;decimation;asciilifeform: the most interesting part to me are the silicon design tools 1201972;1436931999;asciilifeform;i specifically asked dks for those 1201973;1436932007;asciilifeform;he (unsurprisingly) refused 1201974;1436932010;decimation;heh 1201975;1436932029;asciilifeform;could easily be the only part of the corp that's worth something on the open market 1201976;1436932043;decimation;they might be shitware, but could be the nucleus of non-winblows designware 1201977;1436932064;asciilifeform;nothing that existed and worked in '86 could really pass as shitware by today's standards. 1201978;1436932075;decimation;yeah, good point 1201979;1436932082;decimation;everything had to work and not be bloatware 1201980;1436932120;asciilifeform;a toolchain that works ~without even a part per billion of microshit~ is pure plutonium, plain and simple 1201981;1436932123;asciilifeform;by today's lights. 1201982;1436932144;decimation;asciilifeform: do you sometimes phantasize about locking a group of promising young grads on an deserted island with only circa 1985 tools? 1201983;1436932160;asciilifeform;nah just self 1201984;1436932165;decimation;heh 1201985;1436932166;asciilifeform;what do i need the derps for ? 1201986;1436932173;asciilifeform;to cook my dinner, i suppose 1201987;1436932175;decimation;staff 1201988;1436932189;decimation;they could be human macros 1201989;1436932196;asciilifeform;would almost rather cook own dinner, and not have to deal with derps in any capacity. 1201990;1436932206;asciilifeform;this is one of the ways i differ from mircea_popescu 1201991;1436932261;BingoBoingo; to cook my dinner, i suppose << Janatorial duties 1201992;1436932301;trinque;I'd much rather automate things than have help 1201993;1436932306;asciilifeform;^ 1201994;1436932335;asciilifeform;if anything, the turdalicious computer systems we have today are a consequence of cheap labour. 1201995;1436932379;asciilifeform;why engineer anything, when a bottomless supply of monkeys with 'duct tape' can be had. 1201996;1436932384;trinque;as if to drive the point home, some fucking drunk bum is hollering 1201997;1436932405;decimation;asciilifeform: can shape desired object out of bondo? 1201998;1436932473;asciilifeform;'bondo, sanded to perfection' (mr mold) 1201999;1436932487;trinque;cannot find a single mention on the web for geb2.kernel.org 1202000;1436932498;trinque;maybe it was an internal hostname 1202001;1436932521;trinque;however I do find mention of these model HP servers being donated 1202002;1436932890;BingoBoingo;Image the Hard drives, wipe all the everything 1202003;1436932924;trinque;oh of course 1202004;1436932932;trinque;I've got a 2tb I can dd all the drives to 1202005;1436932959;decimation;heh I forgot that paragraph from yarvin: " 1202006;1436932960;decimation;The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office." 1202007;1436932968;decimation;"But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care." 1202008;1436933005;trinque;not bad 1202009;1436933014;trinque;and yet, yachts, hookers and blow have already been invented 1202010;1436933018;asciilifeform;mr mold at his best 1202011;1436933050;trinque;another website I've snapped up in entirety 1202012;1436933587;ag3nt_zer0;danielpbarron: is that your booklist? I would be happy to see your list, the ones that cater to or inform your self-identification as a religious thinker, if you ever have the inclination to share... 1202013;1436935103;danielpbarron;ag3nt_zer0, that's a simple list: The Bible. 1202014;1436935225;pete_dushenski;shanghai composite was on track for another losing day and now it's, well, FLATLINED 1202015;1436935227;pete_dushenski;http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND 1202016;1436935228;assbot;SHCOMP Quote - Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index - Bloomberg Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1j49X ) 1202017;1436935257;pete_dushenski;guessing the federalis stepped in again to make sure that 'confidence is restored' or some such 1202018;1436935298;pete_dushenski;pretty lulzy way to operate a 'market' but hey, you don't mess with the emperor over there 1202019;1436935304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63279 @ 0.00054694 = 34.6098 BTC [-] {2} 1202020;1436935397;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: reminiscent of the cn reply to wester whiners re: 'tiananmen incident.' which was 'over here, we don't have total control like you, public opinion matters, ergo seditionists not tolerated. and we don't stock riot gear either, we're a poor country. they knew they signed up to crunch under tanks' 1202021;1436935459;pete_dushenski;lol 1202022;1436935524;mthreat;!s wtf 1202023;1436935525;assbot;2267 results for 'wtf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wtf 1202024;1436935544;pete_dushenski;on the canadian side of the world of skewed incentives, this waterloo police officer plead guilty for breach of trust and was paid $350k over the next 3 years to golf and suntan. 1202025;1436935558;mthreat;search is back up. I'll be moving it to another server soon. 1202026;1436935559;pete_dushenski;then he had the audacity to brag about it http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/dream-come-true-ex-waterloo-region-police-officer-mockingly-thanks-them-for-paid-suspension 1202027;1436935560;assbot;‘Dream come true': Ex-Waterloo Regional Police officer mockingly thanks force for paid suspension | National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1jEUY ) 1202028;1436935567;pete_dushenski;mthreat: huzzah ! 1202029;1436935578;pete_dushenski;!rated mthreat 1202030;1436935578;assbot;You rated user mthreat on 27-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: maker of supremely useful #bitcoin-assets search. 1202031;1436935630;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.vox.com/2014/6/3/5775918/25-years-after-tiananmen-most-chinese-univeristy-students-have-never 1202032;1436935632;assbot;25 years after Tiananmen, most Chinese university students have never heard of it - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1jLQu ) 1202033;1436935672;asciilifeform;of 'it' or the western lies ? 1202034;1436935682;pete_dushenski;have most american students ? 1202035;1436935709;pete_dushenski;i sorta doubt that many 18-20 year olds today are up on chinese 'democratic' history from before they were born 1202036;1436935735;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: can you enlighten me re: 'actual account' ? 1202037;1436935751;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i believe it is in the logz 1202038;1436935762;asciilifeform;mthreat fixed search - spiffy 1202039;1436935799;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-12-2014#945925 1202040;1436935799;assbot;Logged on 05-12-2014 05:09:14; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?' 1202041;1436935804;asciilifeform;possibly others 1202042;1436935810;ag3nt_zer0;fair enough, maybe I am a gland junkie but I still find some of this stuff mildly shocking 1202043;1436935867;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2014#461122 << esp. that one 1202044;1436935867;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:12; asciilifeform: btw the chinese have scholars, of 'soviet collapse studies,' and some of their output is rather interesting and educational 1202045;1436935908;ag3nt_zer0;yeah the accounts by the reporters in the hotel of the sounds of the bones and skulls being crushed kind of got my endocrines goin 1202046;1436935909;pete_dushenski;ah excellent 1202047;1436935956;pete_dushenski;that it's already in the logs... i dun really give a shit about ag3nt_zer0's hormones ! 1202048;1436935975;asciilifeform;u.s. dept of state & cia tried to turn cn into 1990s ru. failed. 1202049;1436935979;ag3nt_zer0;forgot the documentary but it was about the guy who shot the tank man video... and how that video barely made it out 1202050;1436935994;asciilifeform;have been pissing and moaning about it through their maxint mouthpiece orchestra ever since. 1202051;1436936009;pete_dushenski;the one that got away (tm) 1202052;1436936044;ag3nt_zer0;with a mild speculative inference that it was instrumental in inspiring the geramns to topple the wall 1202053;1436936053;ag3nt_zer0;and what if it hadnt gotten out? 1202054;1436936105;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: when you build mental world out of usg's 'legos', don't be surprised if you find yourself reaching their 'recommended' conclusions. 1202055;1436936146;ag3nt_zer0;what conclusion? 1202056;1436936213;asciilifeform;any number of'em 1202057;1436936223;pete_dushenski;http://news.domain.com.au/domain/real-estate-news/china-doubles-down-on-australian-real-estate-20150715-gicgju.html << don't imagine this'll cheer up cazalla but i might be wrong. 1202058;1436936224;assbot;China doubles down on Australian real estate ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1kKjI ) 1202059;1436936251;asciilifeform;like any industrial-strength chumpamatic, usg-history typically leads you to 'conclude'... the very premises of the syllogism behind the conclusions. 1202060;1436936257;asciilifeform;as in the 'berlin wall' example above. 1202061;1436936287;pete_dushenski;cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver. 1202062;1436936311;ag3nt_zer0;yeah I hear you. ftr I didn't mean to imply that I concluded anything... 1202063;1436936320;pete_dushenski;not that i really give a shit about vancouver, mind you, but it's sorta kinda not really in my backyard atm. 1202064;1436936372;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: examine the premises. for instance, ever wonder why the obsession with berlin wall ? 1202065;1436936425;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: I am guessing not in the way that you might be about to tell me? 1202066;1436936481;asciilifeform;i'm about to go to sleep, actually 1202067;1436936485;ag3nt_zer0;hehe 1202068;1436936488;asciilifeform;but trying to encourage folks to think. 1202069;1436936499;ag3nt_zer0;no I appreciate it! 1202070;1436936505;ag3nt_zer0;I am interested 1202071;1436936512;ag3nt_zer0;maybe can tell me later 1202072;1436936777;pete_dushenski;http://www.sse.com.cn/ << bwahaha the bleeding idiots have green-coloured losses and red-coloured gains on their stock ticker ! 1202073;1436936797;ag3nt_zer0;danielpbarron: thx again 1202074;1436936804;asciilifeform;what next, complain about the blue traffic lights in japan ? 1202075;1436936828;pete_dushenski;"hey u guise, i have a capital idea ! mebbe no one will notice that we've inflated trillion of worthless rmb into our 'markets' if we change the colours of the stop lights at the intersection !" 1202076;1436936907;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: bah, get out. there's a recipe for stock market accounting and sse is playing games. 1202077;1436936924;pete_dushenski;or mebbe i'm a johnny come lately cynic. also possibru. 1202078;1436936933;asciilifeform;i actually have no idea what their colours were prior. 1202079;1436937023;pete_dushenski;is it some kind of fucking mid-day national holiday in shanghai ? 1202080;1436937030;pete_dushenski;http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/se_composite/ << another dead price feed. 1202081;1436937031;assbot;SHCOMP - Shanghai SE Composite Index - CNNMoney.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5pYcp ) 1202082;1436937058;pete_dushenski;and i can't seem to source an explanation for the bloody thing 1202083;1436937136;pete_dushenski;"Roman Dahl ‏@dahlroman 2m2 minutes ago #Chinese GDP beats the estm. 7% Y/Y vs 6.8%; Shanghai -2.17%; 24% of firms in trading halt." 1202084;1436937199;pete_dushenski;another halt. so that's two in the past 5 trading sessions then ? 1202085;1436937245;pete_dushenski;"nothing to see here, folks, just business as usual." 1202086;1436937267;pete_dushenski;fuck, no wonder even 'foxconn' is getting the hell outta dodge and moving 1 mn workers to india 1202087;1436937271;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193376 << see also. 1202088;1436937271;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1" 1202089;1436937312;pete_dushenski;of course, the ever-convenient nyse 'glitch' 1202090;1436937313;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: notice the basic dynamic, of 'indias' being a non-renewable resource. 1202091;1436937380;pete_dushenski;"A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. 1202092;1436937382;asciilifeform;there is a common misconception that collapse followed by sufficiently-many generations of starvation and abject degradation can 'reset' and get you a new 'india' in place of a worn-out, 'consumerized' husk 1202093;1436937386;asciilifeform;this is not actually true. 1202094;1436937393;asciilifeform;you are far more likely to get a new afghanistan. 1202095;1436937409;asciilifeform;(notice that no one is building factories there) 1202096;1436937424;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 'likely' being based on the peoples and their geography 1202097;1436937439;asciilifeform;'indias' are produces by a uniquely 20th c. process of industrially-powered overpopulation 1202098;1436937440;pete_dushenski;let europeans starve and they'll reset alright 1202099;1436937448;asciilifeform;they'll reset to pashtun mode 1202100;1436937455;asciilifeform;go, exploit'em 1202101;1436937493;pete_dushenski;i'm... busy. 1202102;1436937494;asciilifeform;to round this off, in as far as i understand, india is the last remaining 'india'. 1202103;1436937516;asciilifeform;(of those usable, at any rate.) 1202104;1436937542;pete_dushenski;well to be fair to afghanistan, it's producing heroin like never before 1202105;1436937564;pete_dushenski;gotta use what's available, not just whatever you'd like 1202106;1436937575;danielpbarron;asciilifeform> i actually have no idea what their colours were prior. << someone archived it -- was red in 2012 https://archive.is/iLdQ 1202107;1436937577;assbot;上海证券交易所 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5qVl1 ) 1202108;1436937578;asciilifeform;agrarian system 1202109;1436937599;asciilifeform;you don't need an 'india' to grow shit. 1202110;1436937601;pete_dushenski;so mebbe factories are better in india and china, and poppy plantations are better in afghanistan, and wheat fields in ukraine 1202111;1436937629;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the 'factories better' thing is the specific item i meant by 'an india' 1202112;1436937644;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: o hey, nice work. sorry sse ! 1202113;1436937647;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724474 << see also. 1202114;1436937647;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2014 03:28:22; asciilifeform: because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc 1202115;1436937666;asciilifeform;scroll up in thread. 1202116;1436937712;asciilifeform;specifically, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724465 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724467 1202117;1436937712;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:01; asciilifeform: japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource' 1202118;1436937712;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:18; asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice 1202119;1436937803;pete_dushenski;indonesia'd seem to be another by this definition 1202120;1436937805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.0005461 = 31.4281 BTC [-] 1202121;1436937878;pete_dushenski;255 mn people. ready water access for transport. 1202122;1436938035;pete_dushenski;https://www.google.ca/finance?q=SHA%3A000001&ei=4eKlVbnyNcmpmAGzyoXICw << aha ! magicked back into existence... and down a quick 1% for a total of -3.65% on the day. 1202123;1436938036;assbot;SSE Composite Index: SHA:000001 quotes & news – Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5rATA ) 1202124;1436938045;pete_dushenski;way to go regulators ! 1202125;1436938103;mircea_popescu;!up welshjf 1202126;1436938144;welshjf;howdy mircea_popescu, just lurking :) 1202127;1436938232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89200 @ 0.00053906 = 48.0842 BTC [-] {2} 1202128;1436938554;ben_vulpes; ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle << bwahahahahahaha 1202129;1436938634;ben_vulpes; ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) << the things you find entertaining, i swear 1202130;1436938715;ben_vulpes; no photo card - no enter. << that this is enforced at yours is very indicative of the differences between our corners of usistan 1202131;1436938812;ben_vulpes;* danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" << where i come we call this the "cascadian discount" 1202132;1436938819;ben_vulpes;come from* 1202133;1436938866;ben_vulpes;pay in cash for a 15% discount. half of the savings from not paying the tax man to the person paying, half to the merchant. 1202134;1436938873;ben_vulpes;why anyone would pay cash without this arrangement boggles. 1202135;1436939216;ben_vulpes; In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese << what hellhole do you live in that doesn't have fresh cheese maiden made at every monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and sunday farmer's market? 1202136;1436939314;ben_vulpes;in other news, my bloodily hacked together stator has achieved block 331707 1202137;1436939384;mircea_popescu;wd! 1202138;1436939389;mircea_popescu;hello welshjf 1202139;1436939410;ben_vulpes;lol nothing to it beyond applying patches 1202140;1436939424;ben_vulpes;the most marvelous achievement of mine is the time allocated to reading patches 1202141;1436939427;ben_vulpes;and yes asciilifeform - i do 1202142;1436939436;ben_vulpes;religiously. 1202143;1436939440;ben_vulpes;my one sacrament. 1202144;1436939481;ben_vulpes; another website I've snapped up in entirety << have you pared it down to just text yet? 1202145;1436939507;mircea_popescu;sign em too then 1202146;1436939515;trinque;no, probably trivial with w3m or something 1202147;1436939520;ben_vulpes;oh twisting my arm too eh? 1202148;1436939537;*;ben_vulpes will 1202149;1436939551;ben_vulpes;i have a whole weekend of plane flights and insane fambly ahead 1202150;1436939564;ben_vulpes;best thing to possibly have on the screen are gpg-grams and cpp 1202151;1436939590;ben_vulpes;although i'm going to miss my new ergonomic keyboard 1202152;1436939598;ben_vulpes;the rsi is setting in 1202153;1436939612;ben_vulpes;it set in on a particularly long bike ride on a particularly shitty bike 1202154;1436939635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97450 @ 0.00054982 = 53.58 BTC [+] {3} 1202155;1436939640;ben_vulpes;after which i mused to myself about vibrating handles and mircea_popescu's computer use wisdom 1202156;1436939649;ben_vulpes;how boss do you battle the rsi? 1202157;1436939687;ben_vulpes; !s wtf << ty! 1202158;1436940120;trinque;^ which causes me to notice... 1202159;1436940334;ben_vulpes; "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. << i can't figure for whom this is a problem 1202160;1436940368;ben_vulpes;ohai deedbot- 1202161;1436940372;trinque;getting pretty unimpressed with tenyks. 1202162;1436940374;ben_vulpes;rewritten in cl yet trinque? 1202163;1436940377;trinque;nope, not yet 1202164;1436940419;ben_vulpes;i for one have fondled and been fondled on many a flight with zero harrasment from either other passengers or flight staff 1202165;1436940449;ben_vulpes;perhaps i do not intend to 'own the space' as mircea_popescu describes the act 1202166;1436940457;ben_vulpes;couldn't tell ya 1202167;1436940596;ben_vulpes;the funny thing about my stator is that i have a binary called bitcoind-7-11-patched-with-dumpblock 1202168;1436940602;ben_vulpes;that was not patched with dumpblock 1202169;1436940603;trinque;heh, I did the same on a school trip's flight back from colorado 1202170;1436940604;ben_vulpes;herpa derpa doo 1202171;1436940610;trinque;with a chick I hooked up with on the trip 1202172;1436940613;trinque;come and get me, canada 1202173;1436940846;ben_vulpes;come at me fascists 1202174;1436940999;ben_vulpes;http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares 1202175;1436941000;assbot;Banks Forgot Who Was Supposed to Own Dell Shares - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1M517Hn ) 1202176;1436941160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28363 @ 0.00054828 = 15.5509 BTC [-] 1202177;1436941404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.0005537 = 16.3342 BTC [+] 1202178;1436941954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53488 @ 0.0005537 = 29.6163 BTC [+] {2} 1202179;1436942380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00055477 = 22.0798 BTC [+] 1202180;1436942593;ben_vulpes;hey trinque 1202181;1436942597;ben_vulpes;have some braindamage: https://github.com/mck-/heroku-cl-example/blob/master/src/util/model-utils.lisp 1202182;1436942598;assbot;heroku-cl-example/model-utils.lisp at master · mck-/heroku-cl-example · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Smp64x ) 1202183;1436943089;trinque;looks like cldjango to me 1202184;1436943115;ben_vulpes;lisprails, but yeah 1202185;1436943143;trinque;so far I tend to think the object system is for UI doodads, not for the data model 1202186;1436943162;ben_vulpes;but imagine if you were actually into self-serializing data structures you could hang all sorts of useful stuff off of CLOS classes that did db queries transparently 1202187;1436943166;ben_vulpes;(and oop) 1202188;1436943194;trinque;I tend to think Table is an object, not Customer 1202189;1436943231;trinque;otherwise you have two ever-diverging data models to constantly sync up 1202190;1436943234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00055522 = 45.0283 BTC [+] {3} 1202191;1436943237;trinque;or you only use the features in the "upper" model 1202192;1436943253;trinque;I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db 1202193;1436943256;ben_vulpes;want to hear a dirty secret? 1202194;1436943263;trinque;sure 1202195;1436943271;ben_vulpes;our lispy crud stuff doesn't even formalize 'models' 1202196;1436943310;ben_vulpes;we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever 1202197;1436943315;trinque;I think that's the right way. 1202198;1436943324;ben_vulpes;that poke mother pg in all of the right spots 1202199;1436943328;trinque;100% right 1202200;1436943351;ben_vulpes;the weakness is that we don't use database constraints, which is where the oop model shines a bit 1202201;1436943356;ben_vulpes;(in comparison at least) 1202202;1436943371;ben_vulpes;we just kinda hand-wave and say "yeah man there are users, and this is how we diddle them in the database in this particular way" 1202203;1436943377;trinque;can always throw an error if a particular slot is initialized to nil 1202204;1436943380;trinque;in clos 1202205;1436943384;ben_vulpes;sure 1202206;1436943397;ben_vulpes;i guess this is the "small teams and discipline" approach 1202207;1436943405;ben_vulpes;db constraints seem like a decent step. 1202208;1436943417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21013 @ 0.00055579 = 11.6788 BTC [+] 1202209;1436943430;ben_vulpes;but on the flipside, another deploy target 1202210;1436943454;trinque;in particular what I like about the approach of just editing the db is it doesn't try to say this is a "customer" action or an "order" or so on 1202211;1436943468;trinque;bolting the behavior to anything other than a symbol is retarded 1202212;1436943478;trinque;if you wanna mention "customer" in the name of the function, great 1202213;1436943493;trinque;hm from a perspective that is advocating a lack of constraints 1202214;1436943498;trinque;on that subj 1202215;1436943524;trinque;as for db constraints, they can at least help when some logic is easier expressed if it is assumed that the data model has some expected structure 1202216;1436943536;trinque;rather than having if statements handling the lack of that part of the data model in code 1202217;1436943600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14822 @ 0.00055477 = 8.2228 BTC [-] 1202218;1436943723;ben_vulpes;this problem sucks 1202219;1436943732;ben_vulpes;fuck the web 1202220;1436943748;trinque;ayep 1202221;1436943759;ben_vulpes;would you fix this, please? 1202222;1436943783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00055625 = 46.725 BTC [+] {2} 1202223;1436943810;trinque;I wanna build a bastard lisp for the webasm thing 1202224;1436943821;ben_vulpes;minimal browserlisp 1202225;1436943822;ben_vulpes;let's go 1202226;1436943823;trinque;and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl 1202227;1436943830;trinque;and fuck the dom 1202228;1436943830;ben_vulpes;p-please 1202229;1436943837;ben_vulpes;don't get my hopes up 1202230;1436944637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10219 @ 0.00055554 = 5.6771 BTC [-] 1202231;1436945613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113129 @ 0.00054828 = 62.0264 BTC [-] 1202232;1436945940;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202061 <<< vancouver may as well be on another planet for all i care tbh but point taken all the same 1202233;1436945940;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 04:58:07; pete_dushenski: cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver. 1202234;1436946336;cazalla;;;isup qntra.net 1202235;1436946339;gribble;qntra.net is down 1202236;1436947303;mircea_popescu;sigh 1202237;1436947352;chetty;just think how great the net would be if all of a sudden all the ddos stopped, wonder what % of net traffic is that? 1202238;1436947404;mircea_popescu;i got a better idea. 1202239;1436947424;mircea_popescu;suppose all the idiots running stupid shit, random nat routers, bad wp installs, etc, got forbidden from the net. 1202240;1436947445;mircea_popescu;take aol back. we don't want it, we never wanted it, fuck the fucking open-to-idiots internet. 1202241;1436947487;mircea_popescu;the bovine sort of "people" libertardism/welfarism produces have really no place. not on the net, not under the sun, not anywhere. drop dead and spare the earth spurious shadows. 1202242;1436947571;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes rsi ? 1202243;1436947656;ben_vulpes;"i have been typing a lot and my hand hurts" 1202244;1436947730;dignork;mircea_popescu: it sounds almost possible – claim damages against each of DDOS participants, 0.5 btc each for example. But these claims cannot be enforced. 1202245;1436947739;ben_vulpes;i would like to know how mircea_popescu operates the computer machine healthily if he does not suffer from this affliction, or fear it 1202246;1436947763;mircea_popescu;eh, just put things on gossipd and never invite them. 1202247;1436947776;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i just use a desktop. 1202248;1436947992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00055591 = 27.7955 BTC [+] 1202249;1436948014;cazalla;we have another name for rsi down under.. wankers cramp 1202250;1436948025;mircea_popescu;heh 1202251;1436948164;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107387 1202252;1436948164;assbot;Logged on 22-04-2015 22:11:24; artifexd: Bottom line, I expect to have something to share for testing in 4 weeks. 1202253;1436948191;trinque;artifexd: any progress? eagerly awaited 1202254;1436948221;trinque;much better platform than this webapp bullshit 1202255;1436948419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15522 @ 0.00055591 = 8.6288 BTC [+] 1202256;1436948602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49350 @ 0.0005506 = 27.1721 BTC [-] 1202257;1436948846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66935 @ 0.00054422 = 36.4274 BTC [-] {4} 1202258;1436949212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.00053641 = 55.4648 BTC [-] {2} 1202259;1436951189;punkman;ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares << crazy 1202260;1436951190;assbot;Banks Forgot Who Was Supposed to Own Dell Shares - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1TpSf ) 1202261;1436951408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59312 @ 0.00053821 = 31.9223 BTC [+] 1202262;1436951530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42903 @ 0.00054397 = 23.3379 BTC [+] {3} 1202263;1436952018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00054519 = 64.8231 BTC [+] {2} 1202264;1436953116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92006 @ 0.00055328 = 50.9051 BTC [+] 1202265;1436953162;shinohai;@ shesek: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/50272987.jpg 1202266;1436953163;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TC77tl ) 1202267;1436953425;dignork;Genius - https://github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js 1202268;1436953426;assbot;tessalt/echo-chamber-js · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2E6TM ) 1202269;1436955373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.0005464 = 16.7472 BTC [-] 1202270;1436955434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159100 @ 0.00053865 = 85.6992 BTC [-] {4} 1202271;1436955495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51759 @ 0.00053467 = 27.674 BTC [-] 1202272;1436957386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71250 @ 0.00054857 = 39.0856 BTC [+] {2} 1202273;1436957447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39521 @ 0.00055402 = 21.8954 BTC [+] {3} 1202274;1436957448;scoopbot_revived;Continued DDoS Attack Against Qntra http://qntra.net/2015/07/continued-ddos-attack-against-qntra/ 1202275;1436959691;mircea_popescu;!up thomas 1202276;1436959882;fluffypony;oh wow, we're graced by a Freenode staff member 1202277;1436959913;fluffypony;maybe we'll all get vanity cloaks :) 1202278;1436959972;mircea_popescu;!up execut3 1202279;1436959995;mircea_popescu;!up dooglus 1202280;1436960000;mircea_popescu;pretty sure i saw the guy before. 1202281;1436960070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72229 @ 0.00055657 = 40.2005 BTC [+] 1202282;1436960252;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000022149d63270ab40d6eb8b1575f14151a1acdee6a22dad83 << so is this actually a nonstandard block ? 1202283;1436960271;mircea_popescu;full of crap like https://blockchain.info/tx/48d38617f4953225279d0a41f0d3e3ceaef7667d834a4b0e46810e7d679e4dd8 1202284;1436960272;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 48d38617f4953225279d0a41f0d3e3ceaef7667d834a4b0e46810e7d679e4dd8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OcZfvb ) 1202285;1436960386;mircea_popescu;4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days) 1202286;1436960501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00054514 = 9.4309 BTC [-] 1202287;1436960867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00054119 = 23.8665 BTC [-] 1202288;1436961160;cazalla;more drama https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/ct3n7hc 1202289;1436961164;assbot;yishan comments on Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Od1ezL ) 1202290;1436961231;Naphex;cazalla: reddit has been hit hard by the eternal september. you gotta be brain dead to even lurk around nowadays 1202291;1436961233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00054119 = 4.3295 BTC [-] 1202292;1436961267;mircea_popescu;cazalla steering towards wall confirmed. 1202293;1436961274;mircea_popescu;glhf as they say. 1202294;1436961340;Naphex;http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/TheSeptemberThatNeverEnded 1202295;1436961341;assbot;Meatball Wiki: TheSeptemberThatNeverEnded ... ( http://bit.ly/1Od1HBT ) 1202296;1436961357;mircea_popescu;"But... the most delicious part of this is that on at least two separate occasions, the board pressed /u/ekjp to outright ban ALL the hate subreddits in a sweeping purge. She resisted, knowing the community, claiming it would be a shitshow. Ellen isn't some "evil, manipulative, out-of-touch incompetent she-devil" as was often depicted. She was approved by the board and recommended by me because when I left, she was the 1202297;1436961357;mircea_popescu; only technology executive anywhere who had the chops and experience to manage a startup of this size, AND who understood what reddit was all about. " 1202298;1436961363;mircea_popescu;chops ? expertise ? start-up ?! 1202299;1436961366;mircea_popescu;pass the pipe brothar. 1202300;1436961395;mircea_popescu;she's a fucktard, she has exactly no expertise or chops, and decade old failures are start-ups just like fifty year old starlets. 1202301;1436961436;mircea_popescu;in any case, it's refreshing to see the new/old tarddit ceo is just as unreadable / mentally disorganised / clueless as the average poster there. 1202302;1436961438;Naphex;how long can you be called a startup anyway? reddit is like 10 years old or what o.O; 1202303;1436961456;mircea_popescu;well in lalaland words don't necessarily mean anything. especially if they sound good. 1202304;1436961475;mircea_popescu;(where sound good = "i've heard it a lot, and the context seemed to me positive") 1202305;1436961538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102247 @ 0.00053328 = 54.5263 BTC [-] {2} 1202306;1436961617;mircea_popescu;anyway, how's the cunt biz, Naphex ? 1202307;1436961706;Naphex;mircea_popescu: decent. trafic slowed down a bit. 1202308;1436961725;Naphex;working on getting more girls and studios on board, while trying to avoid all the chicken and eggs 1202309;1436961732;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1202310;1436961748;mircea_popescu;if you ever decide for a big move, i wanna hear all about how it went. 1202311;1436961750;Naphex;trafic slowing down and hard as hell to sync the girls with the customers but happens on the rare ocasions 1202312;1436961755;mircea_popescu;i'm currently very meh on the entire "advertising" bs. 1202313;1436961791;mircea_popescu;"i know half my advertising money is wasted, and i can tell you exactly which half : both of them!" 1202314;1436961832;Naphex;advertising doesn't work at all atm 1202315;1436961836;cazalla;Naphex, how do you compete with something like mfc and livejasmin? 1202316;1436961844;Naphex;every try failed, hard so its all organic trafic 1202317;1436961928;Naphex;cazalla: easy. fast setup, fast payouts and none of the stupid shitty rules. 1202318;1436962233;Naphex;i'll be launching a refferal program for xotika.tv later this week. hopefully it will help with the activit 1202319;1436962236;Naphex;activity* 1202320;1436962290;Naphex;thinking 5...10% of the mbtc tips routed to the referral 1202321;1436962465;cazalla;can't imagine how i'd market it seeing i jump straight to mfc and don't bother googling .. perhaps keywords related to the country the girl is from might work "korean cam girl" type phrases 1202322;1436962817;fluffypony;cazalla: yeah, I'd also guess that long-tail keywords are good in that space 1202323;1436963174;cazalla;fluffypony, yeah i'd target that and if Naphex is offering 5-10% of the the tips as referall payments, pay those you sign up 1/3 to 1/2 of that to sweeten it and incentivise em to use your links (i wonder how this would work with coinbase $25 sign up.. offer em $10 additional bonus) 1202324;1436963246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36714 @ 0.00055706 = 20.4519 BTC [+] {2} 1202325;1436963307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00055928 = 3.3199 BTC [+] 1202326;1436964161;mircea_popescu;coinbase will prolly shot you 1202327;1436964191;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, if you wish to try for it : buysellads takes btc and handles coinbase. they do a patently insane .1 btc CPM so i really don't advise it. 1202328;1436964389;cazalla;not too keen, can't imagine the demand for new coinbase accounts is that great unless they're coming from stolen ids and shit 1202329;1436964596;shinohai;coinbase will pay u up to $20 for a legit new account. whiz bang! 1202330;1436964646;cazalla;$25 i thought.. but really, that method isn't much different from roger ver's idea to set up a table in starbucks and sell starbuck vouchers via that bitcoin site wahtever the fuck it is called, forget 1202331;1436964778;nubbins`;gryft or smth 1202332;1436964792;cazalla;e-grifter 1202333;1436964801;nubbins`;starbucks would 100% kick you out 1202334;1436964811;nubbins`;you're not even allowed to take photographs inside one 1202335;1436964832;Naphex; cazalla YOU MARKET TO BITCOINERS 1202336;1436964835;Naphex;sorry caps 1202337;1436965028;nubbins`;for alf: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/Silk_Road_JTAN_com_Search_Warrant.pdf 1202338;1436965029;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtOovT ) 1202339;1436965057;nubbins`;"The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. " 1202340;1436965160;shinohai;There was a guy caught filming women whizzing in the bathroom at a starbucks near me. 1202341;1436965184;cazalla;shinohai, they made that illegal here even if done in public 1202342;1436965241;cazalla;that sparked some reading into the issue where i learned some dudes are so keen on this and they have shoe spy cams 1202343;1436965252;shinohai;yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen 1202344;1436965563;cazalla;Naphex, tough sell to market to bitcoiners though.. i don't know what the numbers for mfc are like but i don't imagine more than 5% of visitors actually buy coins to tip the ladies with.. fewer people have bitcoins and i'd bet a smaller percent would be willing to part with em for cam girls, at least at this point in time 1202345;1436965611;mircea_popescu;i dunno bout' that. 1202346;1436965626;Naphex;cazalla: they actually do convert 1202347;1436965644;cazalla;mircea_popescu, any idea what a site like mfc converts at? 1202348;1436965662;mircea_popescu;i've been out too long, nfi anymore. 1202349;1436965668;mircea_popescu;when they first came out they were actually doing pretty good 1202350;1436965688;mircea_popescu;for a brief year or two it actually looked like they may save pron from the tubedeath. 1202351;1436965694;mircea_popescu;didn't really work out tho afaik. 1202352;1436965699;cazalla;there are so many girls on mfc giving it up for free too 1202353;1436965724;mircea_popescu;problem with this as anything else - no pros. 1202354;1436965728;Naphex;Amt: 9.69881492 btcdrak AFKey: directCount:14277 <- xotika stats, first month 1202355;1436965740;Naphex;so its actually pretty good 1202356;1436965760;mircea_popescu;Naphex you know eulora made just about half that ? :D 1202357;1436965762;Naphex;the count is the # of unique sessions, viewed stream 1202358;1436965804;Naphex;:D 1202359;1436965820;cazalla;i wonder if a clips4sale.com bitcoin clone might do ok 1202360;1436965824;*;mircea_popescu dreams of a future where xotika-eulora have integration and people can go wank in a mmorpg 1202361;1436965825;cazalla;those type of sites seem popular 1202362;1436966080;Naphex;xD 1202363;1436966119;Naphex;my biggest problem atm is getting rid of the damn blockings. Performers will come check the site for visitors before streaaming 1202364;1436966138;Naphex;viewers check for online channels 1202365;1436966142;Naphex;and nobody does a thing lol 1202366;1436966310;mircea_popescu;heh 1202367;1436966418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00055871 = 28.997 BTC [-] {2} 1202368;1436967089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42064 @ 0.00055929 = 23.526 BTC [+] {2} 1202369;1436968081;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202343 << this contemptible bit of usgism suggests that one ought to use modern crypto in the camera. that would make it quite impossible for the enemy to determine that it had taken a photo of anyone in particular - or for that matter how many; or for it to disgorge any bits whatsoever to an enemy probe. 1202370;1436968081;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 13:00:52; shinohai: yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen 1202371;1436968098;asciilifeform;this is not hard. 1202372;1436968119;shinohai;twas icrap iirc 1202373;1436968140;asciilifeform;live by the shitputer, die by the shitputer 1202374;1436968231;mircea_popescu;so then they can convict him for using a terrorist device in furterance of a terrorist plot. 1202375;1436968235;mircea_popescu;hurr durr. 1202376;1436968245;mircea_popescu;there exist no technical solutions to political problems. 1202377;1436968252;asciilifeform;well naturally. 1202378;1436968266;mircea_popescu;the solution to political problems is, was always and will forever remain, the beheading of the individuals causing it. 1202379;1436968267;asciilifeform;but i'd rather hang for 'infernal device' than 'idiot perv' 1202380;1436968275;asciilifeform;aesthetic matter. 1202381;1436968278;mircea_popescu;yes but this is a purely aesthetic option on your part 1202382;1436968286;mircea_popescu;like some women would rather go around nude in high heels. 1202383;1436968324;asciilifeform;the other thing i never understood is why they have to physically retrieve the cam 1202384;1436968340;asciilifeform;owner really ought to stroll by with a radio gizmo, no ? 1202385;1436968354;asciilifeform;this is what, 1970s state of the art among pro operatives 1202386;1436968482;nubbins`;tradecraft sorta died out 1202387;1436968495;nubbins`;only so much you can learn from a manual 1202388;1436968600;asciilifeform;http://rt.com/usa/273436-jade-helm-drill-explained << in other lulz ! 1202389;1436968601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxkKlO ) 1202390;1436968625;asciilifeform;^ usg training drills for cw2 1202391;1436968736;asciilifeform;'Former marine Pete Lanteri has formed 'Counter Jade Helm', a volunteer group that will monitor the soldiers as they operate in Texas, with similar organizations springing up in other states involved in the war games.' 1202392;1436968777;asciilifeform;'Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott has charged the Texas State Guard, a traditional militia that numbers 1,900 and cannot be recruited into the federal army at times of war, with observing the actions of the special forces units.' 1202393;1436969136;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202285 << this is the bomb. it is intended to be set off by phoundation client decoding the 'undecodable', perma-forking the net. 1202394;1436969136;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 11:39:46; mircea_popescu: 4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days) 1202395;1436969157;asciilifeform;axe-time, sword-time. 1202396;1436969171;mircea_popescu;mmm 1202397;1436969176;mircea_popescu;possibru. 1202398;1436969187;mircea_popescu;except those look empty. 1202399;1436969197;asciilifeform;didja hand-decode'em ? 1202400;1436969208;mircea_popescu;i'm not sure ;/ 1202401;1436969220;asciilifeform;anybody got a raw bitwise dump of that block handy ? 1202402;1436969241;mircea_popescu;my nodes won't currently eat it. 1202403;1436969242;scoopbot_revived;Good Morning ISIS. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/15/good-morning-isis/ 1202404;1436969247;mircea_popescu;yet strator does. 1202405;1436969311;*;asciilifeform has spoken before re: the need for actual debug visibility into known tx on a node 1202406;1436969332;asciilifeform;i would dearly like to know what it thinks it has eaten. 1202407;1436969499;mircea_popescu;your own node is past 364671 is it not ? 1202408;1436969507;asciilifeform;long past. 1202409;1436969528;asciilifeform;s.nsa node has been fully synced in real time since the clock thing 1202410;1436969531;mircea_popescu;so you can spit it out 1202411;1436969542;asciilifeform;365435 at this moment 1202412;1436969544;mircea_popescu;tell me if they're empty too. 1202413;1436969558;asciilifeform;it is running plain 'stator' without the shitter/eater at present 1202414;1436969570;asciilifeform;(i will be updating it some time this week) 1202415;1436969581;mircea_popescu;ah. k. 1202416;1436969623;asciilifeform;50 connections presently. 1202417;1436969775;nubbins`;i gotta get on that 1202418;1436969778;nubbins`;so little time tho 1202419;1436969930;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 1202420;1436969933;gribble;qntra.net is down 1202421;1436969950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also why is my reverse dns 'archive.today' 1202422;1436969958;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1202423;1436969961;asciilifeform;s.nsa box 1202424;1436969969;mircea_popescu;i've not touched it. 1202425;1436969978;asciilifeform;oh it was like this from day1 1202426;1436969986;*;mircea_popescu has no idea. 1202427;1436969991;asciilifeform;i think the keeper never reset the reverse dns 1202428;1436969998;nubbins`;heh 1202429;1436969998;asciilifeform;might like to politely ask him. 1202430;1436969999;mircea_popescu;you set up that thing iirc. 1202431;1436970004;asciilifeform;i have no access to this 1202432;1436970009;asciilifeform;it isn't on the box proper. 1202433;1436970012;mircea_popescu;dns zone ? it's on the machine no ? 1202434;1436970016;mircea_popescu;what ns it uses ? 1202435;1436970078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73419 @ 0.00055935 = 41.0669 BTC [+] {2} 1202436;1436970079;*;asciilifeform digs 1202437;1436970251;mircea_popescu;dns1-5.registrar-servers.com looks like the registrar maintains your ns. 1202438;1436970258;*;asciilifeform may have fixed, but is loathe to restart the box and lose a week+ of phuctor 1202439;1436970272;mircea_popescu;does reverse dns make a diff to you anwyay ? 1202440;1436970281;asciilifeform;not a titanic difference 1202441;1436970300;mircea_popescu;so it'll kick in next it reboots. 1202442;1436970301;asciilifeform;but places like the 'bitnodes' phonebook etc are showing 'archive.today' which is mildly confusing 1202443;1436970302;mircea_popescu;pray for rain 1202444;1436970305;asciilifeform;l0l aha. 1202445;1436970395;*;asciilifeform is marvelling at the sheer winblowzistic retardation of having to restart anything to change a simple knob 1202446;1436970396;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/ 1202447;1436970397;assbot;Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn3Zix ) 1202448;1436970401;mircea_popescu;ahh, the perfume of antiques. 1202449;1436970424;nubbins`;like having to let the stove cool down before switching pots 1202450;1436970435;asciilifeform;btw this is a glibcism! 1202451;1436970458;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is rather more like having to demolish and rebuild your kitchen when switching pots. 1202452;1436970505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52769 @ 0.00056314 = 29.7163 BTC [+] {2} 1202453;1436970534;nubbins`;heh 1202454;1436970541;nubbins`;cut the breaker at the box, let the iron cool 1202455;1436970589;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202337 1202456;1436970589;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:08; nubbins`: for alf: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/Silk_Road_JTAN_com_Search_Warrant.pdf 1202457;1436970598;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202339 1202458;1436970598;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. " 1202459;1436970612;nubbins`;of course, past performance is not an indicator of &c &c 1202460;1436970687;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c766d065a39cb0232f82030f79f3e8bf/tumblr_n7o3uw4HGH1tf0vpqo1_1280.jpg 1202461;1436970689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7rNIa ) 1202462;1436970788;nubbins`;ehh 1202463;1436970809;nubbins`;this kicked up a bit of a stink here yesterday: 1202464;1436970811;nubbins`;http://www.thetelegram.com/Opinion/Letter-to-the-editor/2015-07-11/article-4208931/City-invades-private-homes/1 1202465;1436970812;assbot;City invades private homes - Letter to the editor - The Telegram ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7rZqG ) 1202466;1436970848;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202458 << usg sop. consider, if they did not proclaim to have found 'quality dope', might have to let him go 1202467;1436970848;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 14:29:58; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. " 1202468;1436970873;scoopbot_revived;Eulora Sunday Event - July the 19th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-sunday-event-july-the-19th/ 1202469;1436970919;asciilifeform;nubbins`: afaik house-to-house searches are perfectly legal in ca ? 1202470;1436970920;nubbins`;asciilifeform iirc, a kg of brown substance that's 5% hashish and 95% chocolate is considered a kg of hash 1202471;1436970930;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha. this is especially lulzy re: lsd 1202472;1436970936;nubbins`;8) 1202473;1436970946;nubbins`;.005% active ingredient 1202474;1436970961;nubbins`;asciilifeform this was a city assessor demanding entry under threat of fines 1202475;1436970976;nubbins`;council decided they'd better clear the air today: 1202476;1436970979;nubbins`;http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2015-07-14/article-4214517/Residents-don%26rsquo%3Bt-have-to-allow-assessors-in%2C-says-councillor/1 1202477;1436970980;assbot;Residents don’t have to allow assessors in, says councillor - Local - The Telegram ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn4Pfh ) 1202478;1436970993;nubbins`;“If you refuse them entry into the home, that’s fine. The assessor won’t go any further with that. The assessment work is then done from outside the home.” 1202479;1436970995;nubbins`;lel 1202480;1436971027;asciilifeform;nubbins`: btw this is sop for rented dwellings in usa 1202481;1436971039;asciilifeform;i actually had an assessor visit a month or so ago 1202482;1436971041;nubbins`;apparently sop here too 1202483;1436971047;asciilifeform;took photos, too. every room 1202484;1436971054;asciilifeform;100% in the contract. 1202485;1436971055;nubbins`;council clarified they're specifically not "inspecting" or looking for code violations 1202486;1436971064;nubbins`;just extra apartments, additions, etc that'd impact prop tax 1202487;1436971112;nubbins`;asciilifeform landlords have the right to inspect property here with 24h notice 1202488;1436971120;asciilifeform;aha 1202489;1436971131;nubbins`;somewhat related, we've decided to keep the second house for another 5 1202490;1436971143;nubbins`;i am two mortgages, hear me roar 1202491;1436971152;asciilifeform;and over here, it even includes photos. for sale ad, or 'refinance', etc 1202492;1436971164;asciilifeform;don't leave the seekrit documentz out. 1202493;1436971234;asciilifeform;(if strangers ~don't~ ever invade your house, but the latter has... windows - same applies) 1202494;1436971239;nubbins`;heh 1202495;1436971248;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ? 1202496;1436971253;asciilifeform;aha 1202497;1436971254;nubbins`;somewhat related, the interest rates on mortgages are INSANE right now 1202498;1436971257;mircea_popescu;DID THEY CHECK EVERY OTHER SINGLE LAB ACROSS THE US ? 1202499;1436971271;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not afaik. why would they. 1202500;1436971280;nubbins`;they wouldn't because then there would be no labs left 1202501;1436971282;asciilifeform;not like they ~want~ to find more of this. 1202502;1436971283;mircea_popescu;so... yeah. it's probably rampant, half the labs just fgind what the da says and the rest have no clue what year it is. 1202503;1436971319;nubbins`;i think we renewed at smth like 2.5%? 1202504;1436971388;mircea_popescu;anything over 0.3 or so is a joek. 1202505;1436971401;nubbins`;hey, 's life 1202506;1436971413;nubbins`;mine from ~4 years ago is around 3.6% 1202507;1436971439;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54dae92e84d836c68e2a667f7d45dba/tumblr_n15ldcHA9o1rtx81jo1_1280.jpg << guard room to the slavecoin mining facility. 1202508;1436971439;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn5IEv ) 1202509;1436971446;nubbins`;thought about selling the second home 1202510;1436971463;nubbins`;decided we probably would not be in a position to repurchase a second home in the future, should we so desire 1202511;1436971472;nubbins`;& so 1202512;1436971473;gribble;Error: "so" is not a valid command. 1202513;1436971476;nubbins`;... 1202514;1436971513;*;asciilifeform repurchases shirt on his back 1202515;1436971530;*;asciilifeform refinances 2nd shirt 1202516;1436971556;mircea_popescu;see, if you didn't do enough drugs in your youth ? nubbins` got you licked. 1202517;1436971563;asciilifeform;aha. 1202518;1436971707;asciilifeform;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Marilyn:0.9.99 << anyone know ? 1202519;1436971709;assbot;Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7u06b ) 1202520;1436971732;asciilifeform;could easily be a 'second us' 1202521;1436971753;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thisisthat/texas-sugar-water-bring-your-kids-to-work-day-newfoundland-apology-no-gambling-casino-1.2843567/texas-town-adds-sugar-to-water-supply-to-encourage-residents-to-drink-more-water-1.2843568?segtest=1 1202522;1436971754;assbot;Texas town adds sugar to water supply to encourage residents to drink more water - Home | This is That with Pat Kelly and Peter Oldring | CBC Radio ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7u3Pv ) 1202523;1436971775;nubbins`;i read this with wide-eyed amazement until they said 4 tbsp of sugar per 8oz water 1202524;1436971784;nubbins`;then was mildly annoyed at myself 1202525;1436971813;asciilifeform;'the onion' ? 1202526;1436971830;nubbins`;cbc equiv 1202527;1436971841;nubbins`;"we don't just talk about the issues, we fabricate them" 1202528;1436971870;nubbins`;asciilifeform refinancing anything isn't in the books 1202529;1436971880;nubbins`;it would be fairly difficult to lose money on this 1202530;1436971921;nubbins`;in fact, due to accelerated payments, the house could lose 40% of its value over the next 5 years and we could still sell it for a profit 1202531;1436971944;asciilifeform;neat 1202532;1436971958;asciilifeform;i'm not sure even my organs will be sold at a profit. 1202533;1436971978;nubbins`;not by you, anyway! 1202534;1436971998;asciilifeform;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Ender:3.14.15.94 1202535;1436971999;assbot;Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn7iGr ) 1202536;1436972002;nubbins`;my biggest worry was some sort of major catastrophe happening and not being able to cover repairs 1202537;1436972010;nubbins`;but i think at this point, everything that could go wrong already has 1202538;1436972014;asciilifeform;nubbins`: they haven't invented insurance yet in ca ? 1202539;1436972026;nubbins`;there's a lotta shit insurance doesn't cover 1202540;1436972048;nubbins`;even if it does cover it, takes weeks/months to settle claim 1202541;1436972057;asciilifeform;so get moar insurance ? 1202542;1436972062;nubbins`;meantime, you've got a hole in the side of your house or a flooded basement or w/e 1202543;1436972080;nubbins`;water damage is specifically excluded from most insurance contracts 1202544;1436972096;nubbins`;anyway, i'm pretty much a home repair expert by now 1202545;1436972098;nubbins`;trial by fire 1202546;1436972118;nubbins`;"yeah, we have rent here for you... and there's a gallon a minute pouring through the first floor ceiling" 1202547;1436972187;mats;10:40:46 <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ? << another chick was found to be doing the same thing in 2014 1202548;1436972203;mats;http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/01/chemist.html 1202549;1436972204;assbot;Northampton chemist Sonja Farak gets 18 months in jail for tampering with drug samples | masslive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn7WUd ) 1202550;1436972222;mats;another one in MA, no less 1202551;1436972269;asciilifeform;l0l, that's a woman ? 1202552;1436972273;chetty;https://archive.is/ybntU 1202553;1436972274;assbot;Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn8dGI ) 1202554;1436972292;asciilifeform;chetty: qntra loads here 1202555;1436972342;chetty;yeah its good here too, now 1202556;1436972363;asciilifeform;'By stealing cocaine from the crime lab at the University of Massachusetts, Farak undermined public faith in the criminal justice system and sabotaged drug prosecutions in four western counties, Rup said during a hearing' << l0l!! 1202557;1436972366;asciilifeform;stole, ate ? 1202558;1436972409;asciilifeform;'For Farak, crack cocaine was not a party drug, but a way of controlling depression, Pourinski said. It was about coping; it certainly wasnt about having fun; I dont think shes had fun in quite a while, she added.' << paging tlp! 1202559;1436972458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.0005587 = 57.6578 BTC [-] 1202560;1436972462;nubbins`;heh 1202561;1436972467;nubbins`;WELL IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE FUN 1202562;1436972477;nubbins`;implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun. 1202563;1436972480;*;nubbins` chuckles 1202564;1436972503;asciilifeform;http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/07/crd_metalworks_denied_special.html << from same rag 1202565;1436972504;assbot;Confederate flag-flying CRD Metalworks may move 14 jobs from Williamsburg to Hatfield | masslive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn90aJ ) 1202566;1436972513;nubbins`;implying that regular cocaine users don't just use it to cope 1202567;1436972515;nubbins`;etc 1202568;1436972519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51489 @ 0.00055838 = 28.7504 BTC [-] 1202569;1436972542;nubbins`;For Farak, crack cocaine was used for the same goddamn reason everyone else uses it, Pourinski didn't but should have said 1202570;1436972564;asciilifeform;'"I was not happy that we had to find this way," said Locke. "CRD employs 10 to 15 people, and they make a good, well-designed product. But we had to follow the rules." Issues around the Confederate battle flag did not enter into the Planning Board's deliberations, said Locke, adding in an email that "this is a very successful business that outgrew its existing location and permitting."' 1202571;1436972577;asciilifeform;can't make this shit up if i tried. 1202572;1436972582;shinohai;https://mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg00500.html 1202573;1436972584;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] Significant losses by double-spending unconfirmedtransactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn9bD8 ) 1202574;1436972602;nubbins`;it outgrew its permits 1202575;1436972603;nubbins`;heh 1202576;1436972624;asciilifeform;^ zeroconf idiocy, news at 11? 1202577;1436972660;nubbins`;"loltasticly a Mike Hearn Bitcoin XT node was used to relay the double-spends" 1202578;1436972955;asciilifeform;who the fuck uses zeroconf and why. 1202579;1436973043;nubbins`;all the rubes buying coffees? 1202580;1436973066;nubbins`;hm, wonder if there are any plantations accepting btc 1202581;1436973192;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hN89U_XD9E 1202582;1436973193;assbot;Interview With Creepy Hand Model (CBS Interview) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7xdmq ) 1202583;1436973312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47721 @ 0.00055717 = 26.5887 BTC [-] 1202584;1436973800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48129 @ 0.00055717 = 26.816 BTC [-] 1202585;1436973984;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/marvel-targets-tiny-town-tilt-cove-for-ant-man-marketing-campaign-1.3152593 1202586;1436973985;assbot;Marvel targets tiny-town Tilt Cove for Ant-Man marketing campaign - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7yI3O ) 1202587;1436974471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54808 @ 0.00055571 = 30.4574 BTC [-] {2} 1202588;1436974532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29848 @ 0.00057146 = 17.0569 BTC [+] 1202589;1436974837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00054809 = 34.3652 BTC [-] 1202590;1436975081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00057146 = 30.5731 BTC [+] 1202591;1436975630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36252 @ 0.00057146 = 20.7166 BTC [+] {2} 1202592;1436975691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75948 @ 0.00057369 = 43.5706 BTC [+] {3} 1202593;1436976301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105000 @ 0.00055533 = 58.3097 BTC [-] {2} 1202594;1436976520;decimation;http://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/07/blastoff-atlas-v-successfully-launched-from-cape-canaveral-air-force-station/ < usg manages to lauch another gps satellite 1202595;1436976521;assbot;BLASTOFF! Atlas V Successfully Launched From Cape Canaveral Air Force Station | ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJrcQd ) 1202596;1436976911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.0005763 = 26.6827 BTC [+] {2} 1202597;1436977826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71715 @ 0.00055341 = 39.6878 BTC [-] {2} 1202598;1436978253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22235 @ 0.00054194 = 12.05 BTC [-] 1202599;1436979473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.000575 = 10.1775 BTC [+] 1202600;1436980022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00057798 = 13.727 BTC [+] {3} 1202601;1436980090;Adlai;n/bu37 1202602;1436980093;Adlai;oops 1202603;1436981060;chetty;brace yourselves, there is something new under the sun, the price of a pack of smokes went down. 1202604;1436981341;Adlai;duty free? 1202605;1436981380;ben_vulpes;no wai chetty 1202606;1436981538;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: dumpblock killed my stator when i misscalled it 1202607;1436981551;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1202608;1436981559;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: say more ? 1202609;1436981568;ben_vulpes;myes, let me dpaste you a thing 1202610;1436981765;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/31KP5N7 1202611;1436981767;assbot;dpaste: 31KP5N7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1gCjuY7 ) 1202612;1436981772;ben_vulpes;you'll want more from debug, so hang plz 1202613;1436981803;ben_vulpes;anowait, the dumpblock rpc is right there 1202614;1436981889;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: paste whole log ? 1202615;1436981918;ascii_field;i'm a bit puzzled what happened between '"blocks" : 331976' and 'SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000000138 height=335023' 1202616;1436981981;ben_vulpes;quite a bit of time went by 1202617;1436982016;ben_vulpes;debug.log is 500M, you want the whole thing? 1202618;1436982164;ascii_field;nah 1202619;1436982168;ascii_field;just between those 2 events 1202620;1436982174;ascii_field;or hell, to the crash point 1202621;1436982237;ascii_field;and see system log for segfault or the like 1202622;1436982257;ascii_field;was there a reorg at that block ? 1202623;1436982263;ascii_field;wonder if that was it 1202624;1436982279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00054442 = 22.2668 BTC [-] 1202625;1436982349;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/1DZN9W3 << last 500 lines, lmk if you want more 1202626;1436982353;assbot;dpaste: 1DZN9W3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1gCkyLA ) 1202627;1436982395;ascii_field;i see no useful clues therein 1202628;1436982468;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1DGVBQK 1202629;1436982469;assbot;dpaste: 1DGVBQK ... ( http://bit.ly/1gCkGe1 ) 1202630;1436982469;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1202631;1436982593;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: try the mistaken param again 1202632;1436982597;ascii_field;notice, no error checking with the filename 1202633;1436982621;ascii_field;if this reliably kills, then blame yourself 1202634;1436982639;ascii_field;take more care with the pistol. don't point at own head 1202635;1436983011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85558 @ 0.00054442 = 46.5795 BTC [-] {2} 1202636;1436983072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28504 @ 0.00053851 = 15.3497 BTC [-] {2} 1202637;1436983281;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/2HZD4WN and http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xbtXn2xM and also http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CUjm6ZsF 1202638;1436983285;assbot;dpaste: 2HZD4WN ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvHrP ) 1202639;1436983286;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvHrZ ) 1202640;1436983287;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvJ31 ) 1202641;1436983287;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1202642;1436983290;ascii_field;and probably many more will come. 1202643;1436983386;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1202644;1436983388;ascii_field;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-November/006878.html << see also. 1202645;1436983389;assbot;[Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvTr0 ) 1202646;1436983440;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-November/006878.html 1202647;1436983441;assbot;[Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuvXHp ) 1202648;1436983441;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1202649;1436983682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119600 @ 0.00055304 = 66.1436 BTC [+] {2} 1202650;1436983915;nubbins`;ascii_field, posts like that make me feel like liquidating 1202651;1436983946;nubbins`;and putting the money in something safe, like penny stocks or mediterranean economies 1202652;1436983970;ascii_field;nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing 1202653;1436983985;ascii_field;for me, this whole thing is a game. 1202654;1436984010;nubbins`;i envy your workshop(s), which i imagine is/are full of wonder and strange 1202655;1436984022;nubbins`;for me, too, this is a game 8) 1202656;1436984086;*;nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00 1202657;1436984088;danielpbarron;nubbins`> ascii_field, posts like that make me feel like liquidating << haha i had similar thought 1202658;1436984135;nubbins`;danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity 1202659;1436984148;nubbins`;should make for an interesting future 1202660;1436984153;danielpbarron;such is life 1202661;1436984217;nubbins`;harry belafonte should write a song about bitcoin 1202662;1436984286;danielpbarron;i do not worry or envy though -- that there exists bitcoin as it is today and other things that go with it like what's done in here is like a miracle to me 1202663;1436984330;danielpbarron;my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid 1202664;1436984336;nubbins`;sure 1202665;1436984346;nubbins`;but you do find beautiful flowers in the strangest of places, huh? 1202666;1436984745;ascii_field;holy fuck is the mempool full of boiling liquid shit right now. 1202667;1436984753;ascii_field;'not enough fees' 100s in a row 1202668;1436984955;danielpbarron;height=365405 1202669;1436984966;danielpbarron;dang i'm more than 50 behind 1202670;1436984989;ascii_field;danielpbarron: where are you syncing from ? 1202671;1436985016;kakobrekla;pogo has trouble keeping up with real-time? 1202672;1436985029;ascii_field;this was a pogo ? 1202673;1436985043;kakobrekla;o was it not? 1202674;1436985045;danielpbarron;yes it is a pogo, and it's not syncing from any particular node 1202675;1436985063;ascii_field;what's in the pogo ? 1202676;1436985073;danielpbarron;0.5.3.1-beta it says when it starts up 1202677;1436985117;ascii_field;ssd? 1202678;1436985144;ascii_field;and, presumably, configured for swap ? 1202679;1436985193;danielpbarron;yes 1202680;1436985199;danielpbarron;2 gigs swap on a solid state drive 1202681;1436985256;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1202682;1436985267;ascii_field;i would not be greatly surprised to learn that it does not keep up 1202683;1436985277;ascii_field;also will not surprise me if that flash disk doesn't last the year 1202684;1436985301;ascii_field;the keep-whole-block-index-in-ram thing is retarded and Must Die (tm) 1202685;1436985307;ascii_field;ditto unlimited mempool 1202686;1436985310;ascii_field;(see yesterday's thread) 1202687;1436985324;ascii_field;the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there 1202688;1436985334;*;danielpbarron shrugs 1202689;1436985634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111623 @ 0.00055305 = 61.7331 BTC [+] 1202690;1436985785;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/364671.bin 1202691;1436985789;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JimWOr ) 1202692;1436985789;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1202693;1436985965;ascii_field;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DaJcdsyqQSs/UsiTXNHP-0I/AAAAAAAATC0/kiFRowh-J18/s1600/blockchain.png << see also. 1202694;1436985966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzIoIo ) 1202695;1436987066;mod6;magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671 1202696;1436987092;ascii_field;?? 1202697;1436987105;mod6;!up ascii_field 1202698;1436987110;mod6;is that what you saw in that block too? 1202699;1436987122;mod6;im looking at the block, i don't see the magic number in there. 1202700;1436987205;ascii_field;woah 1202701;1436987246;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2J1JRCR.txt 1202702;1436987247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiqujQ ) 1202703;1436987261;ascii_field;aha it 1202704;1436987264;mod6;that's the first part of the block... 1202705;1436987283;ascii_field;your copy same as mine, or no ? 1202706;1436987321;mod6;http://dpaste.com/24VDKVN.txt 1202707;1436987322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiqIHN ) 1202708;1436987350;mod6;maybe i got a bad copy? 1202709;1436987352;ascii_field;same as mine 1202710;1436987361;ascii_field;and now we know how blkcut died 1202711;1436987443;nubbins`;it was pluto's fault 1202712;1436987492;ascii_field;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0914 << blocks get written with this header, apparently, but it is never checked 1202713;1436987494;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzLOuM ) 1202714;1436987511;ascii_field;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=pchMessageStart 1202715;1436987511;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: pchMessageStart ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzLQ62 ) 1202716;1436987557;ascii_field;unless i overlooked something 1202717;1436987647;ascii_field;methings some clever fella is trying a frame-shift attack 1202718;1436987667;ascii_field;*thinks 1202719;1436987708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114976 @ 0.00054244 = 62.3676 BTC [-] {2} 1202720;1436987769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11774 @ 0.00053801 = 6.3345 BTC [-] 1202721;1436987878;mod6;anyone see where the code serializes the magic number itself? 1202722;1436987897;ascii_field;linked above 1202723;1436987926;mod6;sorry /me looks again 1202724;1436987936;ascii_field;pchMessageStart 1202725;1436987977;punkman;which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do? 1202726;1436987986;ascii_field;0.5.3 1202727;1436988023;ascii_field;punkman: see also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000116.html 1202728;1436988024;assbot;[BTC-dev] bip66 resolution criteria (corrected) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzN2q1 ) 1202729;1436988024;assbot;[BTC-dev] bip66 resolution criteria ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzMZKN ) 1202730;1436988132;solrodar;sorry to butt in, but could one of you gentlemen working on this take a few minutes to check my call graph script so I can claim my payment? 1202731;1436988135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79562 @ 0.00055349 = 44.0368 BTC [+] {2} 1202732;1436988181;ascii_field;it'll have to be ben_vulpes or trinque; i don't presently have an install of 'clang'. 1202733;1436988196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29438 @ 0.00055835 = 16.4367 BTC [+] 1202734;1436988226;mod6;same 1202735;1436988242;solrodar;what OSs are you working on? 1202736;1436988283;nubbins`;where's your call graph script 1202737;1436988310;solrodar;http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top 1202738;1436988311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jit4WU ) 1202739;1436988938;nubbins`;and then i found myself installing llvm 1202740;1436988943;nubbins`;!up ascii_field 1202741;1436989233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127200 @ 0.00055863 = 71.0577 BTC [+] {2} 1202742;1436989376;trinque;ascii_field | it'll have to be ben_vulpes or trinque; i don't presently have an install of 'clang'. << solrodar: maybe later, doing irl work presently 1202743;1436989947;solrodar;trinque: thanks 1202744;1436990524;jurov;http://www.dx.com/p/islamic-muslim-style-home-decoration-removable-pvc-wall-sticker-decal-black-395762 lol anyone? 1202745;1436990527;assbot;Islamic Muslim Style Home Decoration Removable PVC Wall Sticker Decal - Black - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1GmyXjT ) 1202746;1436990697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00055606 = 13.0396 BTC [-] 1202747;1436991310;mod6;!up ascii_field 1202748;1436992283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151347 @ 0.00055798 = 84.4486 BTC [+] {3} 1202749;1436992381;mats;looks like the Black Standard, jurov 1202750;1436993366;mod6;!up ascii_field 1202751;1436993442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38512 @ 0.00056837 = 21.8891 BTC [+] 1202752;1436994174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00056837 = 16.4827 BTC [+] 1202753;1436994357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00057127 = 17.4237 BTC [+] {2} 1202754;1436994845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87791 @ 0.00056837 = 49.8978 BTC [-] 1202755;1436995028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98345 @ 0.00053801 = 52.9106 BTC [-] {2} 1202756;1436995089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00053765 = 8.1723 BTC [-] 1202757;1436995300;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1202758;1436995333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9835 @ 0.00053423 = 5.2542 BTC [-] 1202759;1436995353;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202572 << actually a pretty lulzy damnation of hearn. guy's the swiss cheese of software designers. 1202760;1436995353;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 15:03:02; shinohai: https://mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg00500.html 1202761;1436995485;pete_dushenski;ascii_field so what's the deal with this 'out of range' signaturehash stuff ? 1202762;1436995496;pete_dushenski;i read the linked articles but they didn't mean much to me. 1202763;1436995593;pete_dushenski;other than the obvious : bitcoin was written by the retarded. 1202764;1436995849;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 << always with the russian orthodox jew schtick, this guy. 1202765;1436995849;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing 1202766;1436995875;pete_dushenski;"being a slave is better than you'd think. being a freeman is for delusional suckers !" 1202767;1436995895;pete_dushenski;bah, i dun buy it. 1202768;1436995925;thestringpuller;not everyone can grow a jew fro pete_dushenski 1202769;1436995935;nubbins`;a freeman o.o 1202770;1436995954;pete_dushenski;nubbins` not freemason, now. 1202771;1436995959;nubbins`;i know what you said 1202772;1436995970;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller i bet alf could ;) 1202773;1436996015;pete_dushenski;anyways, bitcoin is bricolage, even if it's 'elemental' 1202774;1436996034;pete_dushenski;nubbins` so why the 'o.o' ? 1202775;1436996054;nubbins`;do you consider yourself a 'freeman'? 1202776;1436996160;pete_dushenski;i would. 1202777;1436996165;pete_dushenski;brb. 1202778;1436996263;nubbins`;the o.o is because being a 'freeman' implies you're a kook, simply by virtue of all the assorted kookiness 'freemen' get into 1202779;1436996267;nubbins`;gibberish documents etc 1202780;1436996275;nubbins`;arcane declarations in courts 1202781;1436996281;ascii_field;phreeman 1202782;1436996286;nubbins`;right? 1202783;1436996294;nubbins`;the word's tainted 1202784;1436996347;nubbins`;it is like alf calling himself a 'maker' because he's creating a pick & place from scratch 1202785;1436996369;nubbins`;and thusly putting himself in the same bin as people making secret knock unlock devices w/ arduinos using prewritten libraries 1202786;1436996373;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants 1202787;1436996373;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:31:15; pete_dushenski: "being a slave is better than you'd think. being a freeman is for delusional suckers !" 1202788;1436996426;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202761 << bitcoind is finally getting the fuzz-testing it ought to have had in 2011. 1202789;1436996426;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:24:45; pete_dushenski: ascii_field so what's the deal with this 'out of range' signaturehash stuff ? 1202790;1436996450;ascii_field;and the enemy is in 'tilt' and decided to do it publicly 1202791;1436996454;nubbins`;ascii_field it's an upside of not having put money you thought you didn't need but actually sorta do need into bitcoin. 1202792;1436996675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275950 @ 0.00053311 = 147.1117 BTC [-] {2} 1202793;1436996797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41868 @ 0.00053695 = 22.481 BTC [+] 1202794;1436996939;pete_dushenski;back 1202795;1436996962;pete_dushenski;aha. see 'freeman' to me is simply free. man. 1202796;1436996972;pete_dushenski;sleep ad libitum equivalent 1202797;1436997049;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << true. you don't have mp's 'problems' 1202798;1436997049;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:39:33; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants 1202799;1436997100;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202790 << hehe. 1202800;1436997100;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:40:50; ascii_field: and the enemy is in 'tilt' and decided to do it publicly 1202801;1436997175;*;pete_dushenski imagines uncle sam at heads-up poker table with stan, the two staring each other down, sweat beading on their brows, knowing that the winner takes home the cash, the loser hangs by his guts 1202802;1436997203;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1202803;1436997221;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202797 << iirc he doesn't have this problem. fella was rich long before bitcoin 1202804;1436997221;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:50:49; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << true. you don't have mp's 'problems' 1202805;1436997262;pete_dushenski;different level, but you're right. 1202806;1436997298;ascii_field;at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin' 1202807;1436997312;ascii_field;all artifacts of the cpp turd's bottomless well of stupid 1202808;1436997379;pete_dushenski;ascii_field well adacoin couldn't wait until 2020 or w/e 1202809;1436997398;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: it will wait until someone gives a sufficient fuck to pay for it. 1202810;1436997432;ascii_field;could be a hundred years, could be yesterday 1202811;1436997491;pete_dushenski;that and 'computers' 1202812;1436997528;ascii_field;i say 'yesterday' because, as mircea_popescu is fond of reminding us, no one knows what is used on the planets where the miners live 1202813;1436997557;pete_dushenski;well, we know a chunk of them were/are using spv 1202814;1436997559;ascii_field;however presently his 'smart miners' live in the same hypothetical world as my 'meta-nsa' 1202815;1436997590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00054983 = 1.0997 BTC [+] 1202816;1436997591;ascii_field;i.e. by all signs they ~ought to~ exist, somewhere, but the evidence accessible to the naked eye is very thin. 1202817;1436997662;pete_dushenski;i see mp's smart miners as a 'one day' phenomenon, and therefore more akin to your talebian dream life 1202818;1436997678;pete_dushenski;both of which may well happen. just not yet. 1202819;1436997689;pete_dushenski;'after the war' to borrow a term 1202820;1436997715;ascii_field;mno, my understanding is that he believes them to exist ~now~ 1202821;1436997727;pete_dushenski;that may well be. 1202822;1436997730;ascii_field;ask him when he wakes up. 1202823;1436997783;pete_dushenski;it may also be that we are 'after the war' already but don't know it (not that i necessarily subscribe to this theory). 1202824;1436997809;pete_dushenski;that we imagine the enemy's cannon range to be far greater than it really is, and our defenses stronger than they are. 1202825;1436997853;pete_dushenski;this seems to me unlikely, but not impossible. 1202826;1436997869;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: didja miss the thread where mircea_popescu told us that is appears my nodes are the last remaining known pre-0.8s which are unwedged presently ? 1202827;1436997887;ascii_field;his - hosed, as of last night 1202828;1436997932;ascii_field;well - 'node'-singular 1202829;1436997936;pete_dushenski;i recall him thanking the heavens that #b-a exists, yes. 1202830;1436997945;ascii_field;(i have two but only one is on a serious pipe and running 24/7) 1202831;1436999359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80412 @ 0.00055923 = 44.9688 BTC [+] {2} 1202832;1436999420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19288 @ 0.00056764 = 10.9486 BTC [+] {2} 1202833;1437000864;punkman;https://keybase.io/blog/2015-07-15/keybase-raises-series-a 1202834;1437000865;assbot;Keybase raises $10.8M ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHYvwW ) 1202835;1437000939;punkman;"Only since the advent of smartphones can we create good public key software that doesn't need to say the word "key." As an added bonus: the more devices you have, the safer you are when one is lost." 1202836;1437000945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98200 @ 0.00055715 = 54.7121 BTC [-] {2} 1202837;1437000978;mats;wat 1202838;1437000988;punkman;I don't know 1202839;1437001094;nubbins`;... 1202840;1437001228;punkman;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0718/450-year-old-debt.-Trillions-owed.-But-will-German-village-get-repaid 1202841;1437001229;assbot;450-year-old debt. Trillions owed. But will German village get repaid? - CSMonitor.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHZdKG ) 1202842;1437001317;punkman;in other news, greek parliament just voted for 3rd bailout deal 1202843;1437001372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00056323 = 27.9362 BTC [+] {2} 1202844;1437001386;BingoBoingo;punkman: Really? The Greeks aren't going to conspire with Mittenwald against Berlin? 1202845;1437001439;punkman;they played the ww2 debt card already 1202846;1437001452;BingoBoingo;Ah 1202847;1437001474;BingoBoingo;But the Greek Debt is nothing compared to Berlin's Debts 1202848;1437001490;punkman;indeed 1202849;1437001610;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/1FZ3GS7.txt 1202850;1437001611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI065O ) 1202851;1437001626;pete_dushenski;:) 1202852;1437001641;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: DoS returned. Will try to get it up when possible. 1202853;1437001651;pete_dushenski;sounds good man 1202854;1437001721;pete_dushenski;with that, ima sign off. cheerio ! 1202855;1437001737;mthreat;;;seen kakobrekla 1202856;1437001737;gribble;kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: o was it not? 1202857;1437001757;kakobrekla;m? 1202858;1437001805;mthreat;i've moved the search.b-a to a new server, although it's running on the old one for another 2 weeks 1202859;1437001819;mthreat;you control the dns on that right? 1202860;1437001848;kakobrekla;want to change ip now? 1202861;1437001857;mthreat;sure, the new one is 45.79.3.24 1202862;1437001962;kakobrekla;done 1202863;1437001974;mthreat;alright, thanks! 1202864;1437001980;kakobrekla;ty 1202865;1437002105;punkman;http://adage.com/article/digital/alibaba-yanks-job-ad-seeking-candidates-pornstar-qualities/298387/ 1202866;1437002107;assbot;Alibaba Yanks Job Ad Seeking Candidates With Porn Qualities | Digital - Advertising Age ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI1cP0 ) 1202867;1437003056;mats;http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/07/15/fireeye-intern-dendroid-charges/ 1202868;1437003057;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CI2Xf6 ) 1202869;1437003413;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202744 <<< this would go sick in the rear window of my car 1202870;1437003413;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 20:02:04; jurov: http://www.dx.com/p/islamic-muslim-style-home-decoration-removable-pvc-wall-sticker-decal-black-395762 lol anyone? 1202871;1437003446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81650 @ 0.00057481 = 46.9332 BTC [+] {5} 1202872;1437003629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37599 @ 0.00058019 = 21.8146 BTC [+] 1202873;1437005063;mthreat;chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements. 1202874;1437005064;assbot;Indeed 中国 | 招聘信息搜索引擎 | 天下职位，一网搜尽 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhUbPZ ) 1202875;1437005087;mthreat;and then use google translate to read them, unless you happen to read chinese 1202876;1437005182;mthreat;looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements 1202877;1437005234;mthreat;ah here's one: http://search.51job.com/job/70188621,c.html 1202878;1437005265;mthreat;translation of requirements: 1, have a good image quality, height 162-168CM 1202879;1437005268;mthreat;2, bust 83-85CM, waist 59-62CM, hip 88-91CM, Shoulder 37-38CM 1202880;1437005437;scoopbot_revived;US Seeks Extradition Of Irish Silk Road Administrator http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-seeks-extradition-of-irish-silk-road-administrator/ 1202881;1437005441;gernika;I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable. 1202882;1437005457;asciilifeform;mats: write it up for qntra ? 1202883;1437005464;asciilifeform;hilarious nyooz 1202884;1437005505;asciilifeform;http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth 1202885;1437005506;assbot;Major Computer Hacking Forum Dismantled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb5eCv ) 1202886;1437005562;scoopbot_revived;Tsinghua Unigroup Flirts With Acquisition of DRAM Maker Micron http://qntra.net/2015/07/tsinghua-unigroup-flirts-with-acquisition-of-dram-maker-micron/ 1202887;1437005715;asciilifeform;'The charges announced today are part of a coordinated effort by a coalition of law enforcement authorities from 20 nations to charge, arrest or search 70 Darkode members and associates around the world. The nations comprising the coalition include Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Israel, Latvia, Macedonia, Nigeria, Romania, Serbia, Sweden, th 1202888;1437005715;asciilifeform;e United Kingdom and the United States. Todays actions represent the largest coordinated international law enforcement effort ever directed at an online cyber-criminal forum.' << mega-l0l 1202889;1437005767;trinque;someone tell me again how this country that holds tons of our debt - and is buying up everything left of value in our country - is inferior to us 1202890;1437005778;trinque;@ scoop 1202891;1437005822;asciilifeform;(earlier link has links in turn to the indictments) 1202892;1437005823;scoopbot_revived;Darkode Goes Dark: Members Charged as "Cybercriminals" http://qntra.net/2015/07/darkode-goes-dark-members-charged-as-cybercriminals/ 1202893;1437005853;BingoBoingo;Sorry DoS left Qntra a bit constipated, news bowels should be clearer for a bit 1202894;1437005999;asciilifeform;from cursory reading of the indictments thus far, seems like these were all classic derps with atrociously retarded opsec 1202895;1437006058;asciilifeform;kakobrekla will be stimulated to learn that they are requesting the rendition of a slovenian fella 1202896;1437006071;asciilifeform;one mr skorjanc. 1202897;1437006117;asciilifeform;and even another, one mr leniqi. 1202898;1437006185;gernika;Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop. 1202899;1437006187;asciilifeform;skorjanc, usg claims, was ratted out by a stoolie 1202900;1437006198;asciilifeform;vax?! 1202901;1437006200;asciilifeform;'80s ? 1202902;1437006214;gernika;1999ish? 1202903;1437006219;asciilifeform;l0l 1202904;1437006276;gernika;AMD only did one drug test, so just extended my internship there instead. 1202905;1437006283;asciilifeform;to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments. 1202906;1437006407;mircea_popescu;lol hello gribble. how are you today dear. 1202907;1437006628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup. 1202908;1437006636;asciilifeform;which 1202909;1437006639;mircea_popescu;very nice work. nevertheless, it's still empty. 1202910;1437006646;mircea_popescu;the lot. 1202911;1437006657;asciilifeform;not empty. full of nonstd crud a la 'darkwallet' 1202912;1437006688;asciilifeform;or rather, speaking of the wedge block 1202913;1437006690;mircea_popescu;it's still "1" 1202914;1437006694;asciilifeform;the 3 linked - i have not yet cut open 1202915;1437006708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read the linked ml turd yet ? 1202916;1437006716;mircea_popescu;yes. 1202917;1437006721;mircea_popescu;(i had read it before, too) 1202918;1437006725;asciilifeform;aha! 1202919;1437006743;asciilifeform;my present understanding is that these are wedgebombz 1202920;1437006751;asciilifeform;that have not yet gone off. 1202921;1437006776;mircea_popescu;well, inasmuch as my bitcoin doesn't eat the block, they have. 1202922;1437006810;mircea_popescu;what i gathered from what you were saying yest was that they contain an actual spendable tx that will be accepted as input for future txn by future usg clients, thus forking off the legitimate network 1202923;1437006822;mircea_popescu;which is obviously always a possibility but atm i don't see how it'd work. 1202924;1437006840;asciilifeform;my current hypothesis re: 364671. 1202925;1437006850;mircea_popescu;something like http://i.imgur.com/vTifdh5.gifv 1202926;1437006851;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb7QQP ) 1202927;1437006929;asciilifeform;this particular shit sandwich has multiple layers. for instance, how did that thing even become a block. 1202928;1437006945;mircea_popescu;miner can mine it. 1202929;1437006949;mircea_popescu;if other miners don't reject it... 1202930;1437006953;asciilifeform;who the fuck relayed it? or was it shat straight into the mouth of a tame miner 1202931;1437006953;mircea_popescu;exactly as recent fork happened. 1202932;1437006960;mircea_popescu;nobody relayed it it is not relayable. 1202933;1437006964;mircea_popescu;it was miner manufactured. 1202934;1437006971;asciilifeform;seems pretty clear, this. 1202935;1437006988;asciilifeform;though iirc hearniated client relays it. 1202936;1437007089;asciilifeform;and there is also the oddity, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202695 1202937;1437007089;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 19:04:26; mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671 1202938;1437007118;mircea_popescu;i've not kept up with all the idiocy spweing out of that shit-for-brains, so maybe., 1202939;1437007125;mod6;guess i should have said "first four bytes are not..." 1202940;1437007138;mircea_popescu;anyway, we for sure live in interesting times. 1202941;1437007822;*;kakobrekla is stimulated 1202942;1437007932;trinque;ben_vulpes: thought some more about db testing strategy 1202943;1437007945;trinque;make rules -> try to break them -> if you can't, test passes 1202944;1437007952;trinque;so the pass is a db exception 1202945;1437007995;trinque;I prefer to just inspect the thing myself and see that the constraint's there, but that's an option if ya want tests 1202946;1437008114;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uvMzriPA00 1202947;1437008115;assbot;GULL - Fast Enough - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lba2rs ) 1202948;1437008228;trinque;damn, impressive 1202949;1437008234;trinque;sounds good too 1202950;1437008293;trinque;so one day nobody showed up for band practice, and the guy said "FUCK IT, I AM THE BAND" 1202951;1437008295;trinque;haha 1202952;1437008306;nubbins`;<+gernika> I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable. <<< did same for teaching job in sk 1202953;1437008380;nubbins`;<@asciilifeform> http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth <<< “Through this operation, we have dismantled a cyber hornets’ nest" :0 1202954;1437008381;assbot;Major Computer Hacking Forum Dismantled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1vWyB ) 1202955;1437008432;mircea_popescu;give the man cyber milk & cookies. 1202956;1437008501;nubbins`;right> 1202957;1437008512;mircea_popescu;cyberright! 1202958;1437008519;nubbins`;!! 1202959;1437008542;nubbins`;hornets' cybernest sounds better 1202960;1437008585;mats;asciilifeform: what's there to write about, folks have covered all the interesting bits already 1202961;1437008623;asciilifeform;apparently. 1202962;1437008726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got a signed centos6.5 iso around perchance ? 1202963;1437008751;mircea_popescu;mnope 1202964;1437008769;mircea_popescu;and besides, i don't release centos wtf is this !? 1202965;1437008783;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu doesn't release bitcoin 0.1 either, l0l 1202966;1437008816;asciilifeform;this kind of wankatronix is, sadly, the only known defence against history-diddlers 1202967;1437008858;mircea_popescu;myeah. i dun have anythin' tho. 1202968;1437008861;mircea_popescu;do you ? 1202969;1437008890;asciilifeform;probably. but will have to dig, open old crates, read decaying disks. hence why asked.. 1202970;1437009118;mircea_popescu;http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened". 1202971;1437009119;assbot;United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbbJoW ) 1202972;1437009123;mircea_popescu;why is stupidity so common. 1202973;1437009553;asciilifeform;csv ? 1202974;1437009563;nubbins`;XD 1202975;1437009572;nubbins`;comma veparated salues 1202976;1437009572;*;asciilifeform puzzled over above for a whole minute 1202977;1437009590;nubbins`;content versioning system 1202978;1437009800;mircea_popescu;csv csv. 1202979;1437009824;mircea_popescu;sorry for my altenrative alibities. 1202980;1437010044;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202562 << admitting that the entire point of the usg is to prevent fun. 1202981;1437010044;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 15:01:17; nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun. 1202982;1437010069;mircea_popescu;this is a defense now, "well... not like i was having fun". so... fuck you for being dumb ? 1202983;1437010213;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202658 << the kludges and bugs are baked into anything humans do, for as long as they stick. 1202984;1437010213;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 18:15:35; nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity 1202985;1437010219;mircea_popescu;what, you think calgary's perfectly laid out ? 1202986;1437010302;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202663 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202656 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202970 these three are all exactly the same statement. 1202987;1437010302;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 18:18:50; danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid 1202988;1437010302;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 18:14:46; *: nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00 1202989;1437010302;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 01:11:58; mircea_popescu: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened". 1202990;1437010362;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202687 << never be surprised at any tests, they're always a good idea. 1202991;1437010362;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 18:35:24; ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there 1202992;1437010422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202725 << how won't it do ? 1202993;1437010422;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 19:19:37; punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do? 1202994;1437010476;*;asciilifeform was also puzzled by that question 1202995;1437010501;asciilifeform;i suspect that a number of readers presently believe that we are hosed 1202996;1437010501;mircea_popescu;so, anyone checked solrodar's werk ? 1202997;1437010502;trinque;maybe he's asking what if anything shall be backported 1202998;1437010504;asciilifeform;we are not hosed. 1202999;1437010517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as best i can determine atm we're not (yet) hosed. 1203000;1437010529;asciilifeform;well, ~my~ node worx. 1203001;1437010542;asciilifeform;and i'm about to stand up another. 1203002;1437010546;mircea_popescu;but if the shitshow continues where imbeciles simply do random things, we will certainly end up hosed. 1203003;1437010546;scoopbot_revived;BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/ 1203004;1437010549;mircea_popescu;it's in the nature of things. 1203005;1437010573;mircea_popescu;"I'm not allowed to see the final agreement between the government and my husband. " 1203006;1437010574;mircea_popescu;herp. 1203007;1437010576;mircea_popescu;!rated burtw 1203008;1437010576;assbot;burtw is not registered in WoT. 1203009;1437010582;mircea_popescu;figgers. 1203010;1437010590;asciilifeform;' I can only assume it is a non-prosecution agreement since Burt has to forfeit cash and Bitcoins to have the case dismissed.' 1203011;1437010597;asciilifeform;long live ze waterfall. 1203012;1437010667;asciilifeform;gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move 1203013;1437010709;mircea_popescu;afaik they misjudge both their technical ability and the actual state of the network, but hey, if that's what the excel model said... 1203014;1437010847;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/#comment-32151 1203015;1437010848;assbot;BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TDwH0X ) 1203016;1437010907;punkman;0.5.3 will accept new v2 blocks for example. is that a good idea right now? 1203017;1437010924;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202764 << he has a point, you know ? 1203018;1437010924;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:30:49; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 << always with the russian orthodox jew schtick, this guy. 1203019;1437010927;mircea_popescu;punkman yes. now and forever. 1203020;1437010960;mircea_popescu;just like every single last schmuck working for the usg must know that one day we will hang him for ~THAT~ crime, just so every schmuck fucking around with "bitcoiin development" must know that one day, his efforts will be undone and we revert. 1203021;1437010976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has a russian expression to explain this concept. it originates, mythically, with stalin. 1203022;1437010993;asciilifeform;'no man, no...' 1203023;1437011002;mircea_popescu;nah, not that one. 1203024;1437011037;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186543 1203025;1437011037;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 04:16:44; asciilifeform: 3) не шагу назад 1203026;1437011088;mircea_popescu;there is nothing that the usg has ever done or could ever do that has even the faintest whiff of permanence. not one thing. 1203027;1437011092;asciilifeform;^ not mythical, but the name of a 'papal bull' he issued 1203028;1437011117;mircea_popescu;im still not convinced he wrotye his own stuff. 1203029;1437011292;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << you probably misunderstand how attached men that made fortunes get to the fortunes in question. a year evaporated 90% of my billion net worth, i can assure you the only thing i pissed on were womenz. 1203030;1437011292;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:39:33; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants 1203031;1437011324;asciilifeform;but didn't lose sleep-ad-libitum 1203032;1437011344;asciilifeform;i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. 1203033;1437011456;decimation;asciilifeform: besides, even if you had $x mil, what difference would it really make 1203034;1437011467;decimation;other than 'had, then lost' rather than 'never had' 1203035;1437011483;cazalla;i figured most if not all people here are well prepared if upon waking bitcoin is $0 or dead.. i would go work in the garden as i did yesterday and will tmw so bit surprised to read this one from asciilifeform 1203036;1437011497;asciilifeform;read what 1203037;1437011501;asciilifeform;clearly did not read carefully. 1203038;1437011619;*;asciilifeform astonished at the sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme 1203039;1437011624;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 <<< this part.. what is to envy? 1203040;1437011625;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing 1203041;1437011632;decimation;asciilifeform: it's just a knock off of redhat 1203042;1437011642;decimation;what part strikes you as more retarded: the partitions or the lvm? 1203043;1437011649;asciilifeform;both 1203044;1437011660;decimation;yeah I find lvm is a 'solution in search of a problem' 1203045;1437011710;mircea_popescu;sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme << what's wrong with it ? asked he cluelessly. 1203046;1437011738;asciilifeform;1) lvm exists 2) asinine 50/50 split of disk between 'root' and 'home' 1203047;1437011870;asciilifeform;every time i ever used a binary dist of linux, ended up barfing from something like this 1203048;1437011877;asciilifeform;i mean, 'what even' (tm) (r) 1203049;1437011885;asciilifeform;someone was dropped as a baby ? 1203050;1437011891;mats;lol. 1203051;1437011900;decimation;asciilifeform: in fairness, what would a 'sane' scheme be? 1203052;1437011918;decimation;one that uses no lvm and allocates most space to 'home' 1203053;1437011922;asciilifeform;there was a menu thingie, 'use all disk' 1203054;1437011928;asciilifeform;the sane thing to do is to NOT LIE MOTHERFUCKERS 1203055;1437011932;asciilifeform;and actually use whole disk 1203056;1437011938;decimation;for what? /boot? 1203057;1437011947;asciilifeform; / 1203058;1437011951;decimation;aye, agreed 1203059;1437011997;decimation;it has to insert itself into your business I guess 1203060;1437012013;decimation;anyone serious does their own partition scheme 1203061;1437012472;mircea_popescu;uh 1203062;1437012479;mircea_popescu;50/50 root/home split forced ?! 1203063;1437012489;mircea_popescu;this sounds insane. i've never seen it on any centos server i ever owned. 1203064;1437012502;decimation;I think he's talking about what happens when you click the default entry 1203065;1437012526;mircea_popescu;ah 1203066;1437012538;mircea_popescu;thefaults are broken throughout nix world. 1203067;1437012603;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202806 < aye verily. 1203068;1437012603;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 21:54:58; ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin' 1203069;1437012707;asciilifeform;that is the one kind of thing for which the buggers have nothing up their sleeves 1203070;1437012714;asciilifeform;(other than perhaps the long-awaited bullet in my head) 1203071;1437012783;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is a) game currency and b) prototype. pick as needed. 1203072;1437012810;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202873 << this i count in favour of the chinese. 1203073;1437012810;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 00:04:23; mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements. 1203074;1437012852;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202876 << this used to be the convention in the romania of the 90s : "90/60/90 or gtfo". 1203075;1437012852;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 00:06:22; mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements 1203076;1437012863;mircea_popescu;suddenly makes implants a business expense. 1203077;1437013104;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202898 o.O 1203078;1437013104;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 00:23:05; gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop. 1203079;1437013115;mircea_popescu;sometimes i think i'm the last dude left that doesn't do drugs. 1203080;1437013145;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202905 << obviously. 1203081;1437013145;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 00:24:43; asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments. 1203082;1437013148;asciilifeform;i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do' 1203083;1437013161;mircea_popescu;honestly i have a lot of trouble distinguishing this "law enforcement" push from "hiring spree" 1203084;1437013170;asciilifeform;or does 'do' require daily indulgence 1203085;1437013172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform say wut ? 1203086;1437013196;mircea_popescu;i don't even drink a notable amount of coffee fer crissakes. 1203087;1437013225;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829508 1203088;1437013226;assbot;Logged on 15-09-2014 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: speaking of high, the pot here is infucking credible. 1203089;1437013255;mod6;If bitcoin should perish, we will write it's successor: the revolution will not be stopped. Crypto-currency is here to stay. Full stop. 1203090;1437013267;mircea_popescu;so it is. and i say so on the basis of dragging twice off a chick's joint. 1203091;1437013286;asciilifeform;this is not a 'do' ? 1203092;1437013293;mircea_popescu;i guess it is. 1203093;1437013310;mircea_popescu;course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot. 1203094;1437013315;asciilifeform;aha 1203095;1437013323;mircea_popescu;different things these or no ? 1203096;1437013361;asciilifeform;'do' is a variable thing. erdos, for instance, has to this day reputation of 'speed head' but the amount he is said to have taken, in a year, is quite possibly less than a typical addict eats in a week 1203097;1437013388;mircea_popescu;ftr, it's not like i'm on some sort of war on drugs mission or anything. i can appreciate good cocaine just as i can appreciate good steak, i've a refined palate etc. 1203098;1437013392;mircea_popescu;i just don't happen to care for it. 1203099;1437013416;asciilifeform;probably the only folks who can really appreciate dope, hilariously, are those who don't care for it 1203100;1437013419;mod6;also: http://thebicoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html 1203101;1437013442;mircea_popescu;i guess that's a point 1203102;1437013458;hanbot;mod6 is that an altcoin that swings both ways? 1203103;1437013481;asciilifeform;mod6: that host doesn't resolve for me, interestingly 1203104;1437013491;mod6;oh fuk 1203105;1437013493;mod6;sorry 1203106;1437013506;asciilifeform;(i'm still able to read the msg on therealbitcoin.org) 1203107;1437013506;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html 1203108;1437013507;assbot;[BTC-dev] WARNING! Comparing Binaries for differences with & without OpenSSL configuration flag: no-shared ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dgu9 ) 1203109;1437013516;asciilifeform;l0l there. 1203110;1437013522;mod6;missed the 't' 1203111;1437013534;mod6;hanbot: haha 1203112;1437013589;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cazalla you know the qntra after a day's blackout is actually quite good! 1203113;1437013601;BingoBoingo;It really is 1203114;1437013913;punkman;https://archive.org/details/dnmarchives potential source for gpg keys not found on public keyservers 1203115;1437013915;assbot;Dark Net Market archives, 2011-2015 : Gwern Branwen : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dt0B ) 1203116;1437013927;mircea_popescu;"Points of objection to the extradition put forth by Davis's counsel claim he would be subjected to inhuman and degrading conditions if convicted and that as he suffers from depression and aspergers, his mental health would be put at risk. Counsel also argued that Davis should have been charged with the offences he is alleged to have committed in Ireland and not in the US. Despite this, the Irish DPP has not investigat 1203117;1437013927;mircea_popescu;ed nor has any intention of charging Davis in relation to his alleged Silk Road activity." 1203118;1437013985;asciilifeform;punkman: neato. let me know if you found anything of interest therein 1203119;1437014001;mircea_popescu;!up trixisowned 1203120;1437014020;trixisowned;[22:55:27] and i have heard "something", just nothing particularly substantial. 1203121;1437014022;trixisowned;oops 1203122;1437014029;trixisowned;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125214.0 1203123;1437014033;assbot;The Golden Ratio Attack. Blocks more than half full lead to mining monopoly. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1DAcx ) 1203124;1437014035;trixisowned;sorry that was a accidental backcoppy 1203125;1437014044;trixisowned;irc auto copy highlight :P 1203126;1437014056;trixisowned;this sounds fairly legit 1203127;1437014059;trixisowned;and a actuall problem. 1203128;1437014081;mircea_popescu;yes the backlog is going to be permanent. who exactly is surprised by this ? 1203129;1437014087;mircea_popescu;or what am i missing here. 1203130;1437014139;mircea_popescu;again : bitcoin is not for the poor. there's articles on trilema detailing this going all the way back to 2012. what, this never happened ? 1203131;1437014149;trixisowned;you can force your blocks to have more of a backlog than other blocks, which is also prioritized via the client 1203132;1437014160;trixisowned;which could cause them to profit by stuffing their own blocks 1203133;1437014164;trixisowned;with their own transactions 1203134;1437014176;trixisowned;and not relaying those transactions to other nodes 1203135;1437014215;mircea_popescu;trixisowned have you been reading the log here ? 1203136;1437014228;mircea_popescu;all this was discussed days ago. 1203137;1437014236;trixisowned;nah i havent sorry 1203138;1437014277;mircea_popescu;kay. 1203139;1437014662;trinque;doesn't look like anything fun is left on these drives but a gigabyte of a base ubuntu install 1203140;1437014671;trinque;at least for anyone lacking a scanning electron microscope 1203141;1437014679;*;trinque just fired up the jet engine in his closet 1203142;1437014680;asciilifeform;or a copy of dd 1203143;1437014709;asciilifeform;and 'foremost' or 1,001 other/better proggies 1203144;1437014715;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah I'll still dd the thing somewhere 1203145;1437014725;trinque;and there are 4 other drives not installed for additional phun 1203146;1437014735;asciilifeform;stow the originals, put in own. 1203147;1437014887;trinque;yeah, ass-goblins in the hd firmware right? 1203148;1437014912;asciilifeform;nah, just to keep the old bits 1203149;1437014918;asciilifeform;(i forget why you wanted'em) 1203150;1437014918;trinque;ah ok 1203151;1437014926;trinque;meh, no real reason, lol 1203152;1437014943;trinque;I assume this box is no more owned than the lenovo laptop I'm fiddling with it from 1203153;1437015489;decimation;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/16/us-usa-obama-internet-idUSKCN0PP1JI20150716 " U.S. President Barack Obama announced a pilot project on Wednesday aimed at expanding broadband access for people who live in public housing, part of an effort to close what Obama called the "digital divide" between rich and poor." 1203154;1437015490;assbot;Obama launches project for more broadband in public housing| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VmZH ) 1203155;1437015724;mircea_popescu;heh. 1203156;1437015754;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/beac9a516b31a08bd0b2d76400e54306/tumblr_n83jbs1pqJ1rpyus3o1_500.gif 1203157;1437015755;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VFnh ) 1203158;1437015857;decimation;Hey there's 'women in tech', why not 'poor in tech' and 'alternatively housed in tech' 1203159;1437015894;decimation;http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-13/algorithms-had-themselves-a-treasury-flash-crash "Around 9:39 ET, the sudden visibility of certain sell limit orders in the futures market seemed to have coincided with the reversal in prices. Recall that only 10 levels of order prices above and below the best bid and ask price are visible to futures market participants. Around 9:39 ET, with prices still moving higher, a number of previ 1203160;1437015896;assbot;Algorithms Had Themselves a Treasury Flash Crash - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VPuU ) 1203161;1437015937;decimation;" The sudden visibility of these sell orders significantly shifted the visible order imbalance in that contract, and it coincided with the beginning of the reversal of its price (the top of the price spike). Most of these limit orders were not executed, as the price did not rise to their levels. 1203162;1437015986;decimation;ah the missing bit in the middle "a number of previously posted large sell orders suddenly became visible in the order book above the current 30-year futures price (as well as in smaller size in 10-year futures)." 1203163;1437016030;decimation;also: "At the peak of the flash crash, self-trading in the 10-year "reached 14.9 percent and 11.5 percent for cash and futures" volume, respectively, and was even higher in the 5-year" 1203164;1437016034;mircea_popescu;managed to cross the wire ? 1203165;1437016039;mircea_popescu;well done glbse! 1203166;1437016044;mircea_popescu;!up TheRealJohnGalt 1203167;1437016055;decimation;^ I conclude that the high rent firms who run the hft bots are just as clueless as spv miners 1203168;1437016075;decimation;" Self-trading, for the purpose of this report, is defined as a transaction in which the same entity takes both sides of the trade so that no change in beneficial ownership results." 1203169;1437016092;decimation;so they are running a gaggle of bots and they have no fuckin' clue how they interact 1203170;1437016098;mod6;aka wash trades 1203171;1437016133;decimation;mod6: perhaps, it's not clear to me how selling something to yourself is beneficial in tax terms 1203172;1437016192;decimation;punkman posted this yesterday http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202259 1203173;1437016192;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 09:06:29; punkman: ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares << crazy 1203174;1437016204;mircea_popescu;decimation conclusion is certainly correct. they have no clue and no future. 1203175;1437016239;mircea_popescu;"The modern traveller " thy name is legion " proposing to visit some " lost paradise " such as Bali, often asks whether or not it has yet been " spoiled." It makes a naive, and even tragic, confession. For this man does not reflect that he is condemning him- self ; that what his question asks is whether or not the sources of equilibrium and grace in the other civilizations have yet been poisoned by contact with men lik 1203176;1437016240;mircea_popescu;e him- self and the culture of which he is a product." << this is deeply self-flattering but just as deeply wrong. if a man asks if a woman is a virgin, he also condemns himself ? 1203177;1437016249;decimation;^ apparently most 'stock ownership' is a complete mirage 1203178;1437016271;decimation;the state of delaware doesn't even acknowledge that your broker owns the stock, yet alone you 1203179;1437016311;mircea_popescu;" it is to be feared that the gradual breaking down of their institutions, together with the drain on their national wealth, will make coolies, thieves, beggars and prostitutes of the proud and honourable Balinese of this generation, and will" prostitution is not to be feared. prostitution is the realisation of the feminine ideal finally liberated of all the slag of fear and hypocrisy. 1203180;1437016344;mircea_popescu;anyway. i still can't fucking stand that wamy fellow, nothing's changed in a decade. 1203181;1437016366;mircea_popescu;i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have. 1203182;1437016414;mircea_popescu;decimation you can get proper ownership if you want, to this day (a point fucktarded articles deliberately omit to mention) 1203183;1437016417;decimation;that passage sounds like the seeds of 'liberal guilt' 1203184;1437016418;mircea_popescu;i had a pile. 1203185;1437016431;decimation;as in actual stock ceritficates? 1203186;1437016439;mircea_popescu;yes. 1203187;1437016475;decimation;yeah, apparently the common method is a big dumb 'depository company' holds them on behalf of another company who holds them on behalf of a broker who 'sells' them to you 1203188;1437016475;mircea_popescu;i think i even have unissued ones from old corps in storage somewhere as well. 1203189;1437016485;mircea_popescu;nobody forces you to participate. 1203190;1437016494;decimation;you need to actually hold a certificate to be an owner in delaware apparently 1203191;1437016502;decimation;or at least have a warehouse receipt for the same 1203192;1437016505;mircea_popescu;how else would you do it ? 1203193;1437016512;mircea_popescu;no, no "at least". have the cert or walk. 1203194;1437016518;mircea_popescu;go ask your dad or w/e it is that has it. 1203195;1437016522;decimation;well, when I give the broker money for a stock or fund, what am I buying? 1203196;1437016547;mircea_popescu;best ask him neh ? 1203197;1437016558;decimation;indeed, it's an interesting question 1203198;1437016567;mircea_popescu;again nobody forces you to buy something you don't wanna buy 1203199;1437016580;decimation;actually in the us they kinda do sometimes 1203200;1437016591;decimation;for instance if you have a forced menu on your company's retirement plan 1203201;1437016591;mircea_popescu;(yes they'll ship you the certs if you so wish, and aren't one of the reddit "but i expect everyything for free" consumer crowd) 1203202;1437016610;gernika;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203093 << didn't fail any tests, just didn't take any. I happened to have roommates that smoked pot every day, and for the brief period I lived with them, I partook. 1203203;1437016610;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 02:21:50; mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot. 1203204;1437016612;mircea_popescu;decimation how's this menu work ? 1203205;1437016625;mircea_popescu;gernika they actually test ~for pot~ ? 1203206;1437016630;mircea_popescu;even the nsa had to drop that one. 1203207;1437016640;mircea_popescu;what, chinese are special? 1203208;1437016641;decimation;very typically your company will have a short list of 'funds' in which you can invest your usg-blessed 'deferred tax' money 1203209;1437016673;gernika;mircea_popescu They did, some 15 years ago. This is Idaho and Texas we're talking about. 1203210;1437016676;mircea_popescu;decimation i would expect you can get certs for your fund participation. you don't own what they own, just a piece of them. 1203211;1437016689;mircea_popescu;gernika sorry for some reason i thought it was china. 1203212;1437016709;decimation;mircea_popescu: possibly, I'll have to look into it. 1203213;1437016731;mircea_popescu;decimation obviously, ownership is not without its pitfals. if you manage to burn them down you may have a problem on your hands. 1203214;1437016741;mircea_popescu;people prefer not to own for all sorts of reasons. 1203215;1437016744;gernika;mircea_popescu Aha no the Chinese thing was a test of my appearance via a photo, which I passed. 1203216;1437016747;decimation;did you know that nearly all retail 'financial advisors' in the us are not actually fiduciary? 1203217;1437016757;mircea_popescu;how would they be lol. 1203218;1437016774;mircea_popescu;think about it. how much does insurance cost ? how'd you make it so random schmuck with 50 bucks in his pocket can afford one ? 1203219;1437016790;decimation;you make it so nobody is liable for suckering him 1203220;1437016808;decimation;which is roughly the state of the computer industry that ascii bemoans 1203221;1437016812;mircea_popescu;the elephant in the room is that ten thousand today are not worth a hundred in 1920, whcih is the last release year of most of this stuff. 1203222;1437016817;mircea_popescu;so consequently... 1203223;1437016845;decimation;yeah ownership dilusion is rampant too 1203224;1437016857;mircea_popescu;people with less than a million liquid are not in any sense anything but the shoeshine boys and shop maids investing their nickles and dimes, which famously made carnegie quit or who was it 1203225;1437016944;mod6;joe kennedy 1203226;1437016964;mircea_popescu;alright. 1203227;1437016973;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi. 1203228;1437016974;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6Zedc ) 1203229;1437016994;decimation;how did greenspun put it: http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/investing " Note that Harvard's total is 105 percent because of leverage, i.e., situations in which they've borrowed money to purchase investments. Conspicuously absent from these portfolios are heavy investments in American companies run by Harvard and Yale graduates. "Domestic Equity" are publicly traded stocks such as GE and Microsoft. Harvard and Ya 1203230;1437016995;assbot;Early Retirement: Investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6ZlFu ) 1203231;1437017026;mircea_popescu;lmao 1203232;1437017028;decimation;"Harvard and Yale have faith that their graduates will make a lot of money for themselves, but no faith that they will make money for their shareholders. " 1203233;1437017038;mircea_popescu;harvard has a lot better sense than to buy the toxic spew of its own "start-up culture". 1203234;1437017050;decimation;yeah, they buy timber land and private equity 1203235;1437017219;decimation;also note that yale hardly buys bonds too 1203236;1437017264;decimation;but the bottom line is that 70% of their wealth is invested in stuff that isn't available to the above shoeshine boys 1203237;1437017415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 3550 @ 0.00051 = 1.8105 BTC [-] {2} 1203238;1437018195;decimation;!up TheRealJohnGalt 1203239;1437018778;BingoBoingo;!up GoonClooney 1203240;1437019053;decimation;asciilifeform: did you go on a kicking spreee 1203241;1437019063;asciilifeform;l0lwat 1203242;1437019099;decimation;I just saw about 20 people quit 1203243;1437019102;decimation;maybe netsplit 1203244;1437019106;asciilifeform;prolly 1203245;1437019135;decimation;nearly all of them were on irccloud.com actually 1203246;1437019142;decimation;I wonder if that's where our lurkers come from 1203247;1437019201;decimation;I've been reading that 'thinking forth' book, it's rather enjoyable 1203248;1437019219;decimation;I can see the elegance of the stack-based design 1203249;1437019233;decimation;where even function arguments are implict 1203250;1437019256;decimation;also the rpn makes me yearn for my hp calc 1203251;1437019308;asciilifeform;it is pretty neat, aha 1203252;1437019359;decimation;asciilifeform: I see the wisdom in writing bitcoin in ada strictly to attract the kinds of programmers we actually want 1203253;1437019398;asciilifeform;that kinda thing is more of a concern for wilderness folks (who have no wot) 1203254;1437019478;mats;http://www.rc4nomore.com 1203255;1437019490;assbot;RC4 NOMORE ... ( http://bit.ly/1K95Jg7 ) 1203256;1437020208;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202196 1203257;1437020208;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 06:55:10; ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever 1203258;1437020242;gabriel_laddel;^ some people would like to have CLOS "models" http://web.archive.org/web/20140711171553/http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=2316 (see the section "An Interface/API Mechanism") 1203259;1437020244;assbot;Things I Want in Common Lisp « Symbo1ics Ideas ... ( http://bit.ly/1K974Ua ) 1203260;1437020269;gabriel_laddel;Should be easy enough to add on top of CLOS if one really needs it. 1203261;1437020371;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202192 << You wouldn't use CLOS for this afaik? Write a (generic?) function that performs the necessary data munging and deal with these unnamed structures using `cons', `append', `car' etc. 1203262;1437020371;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 06:54:13; trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db 1203263;1437020404;gabriel_laddel;!up artifexd 1203264;1437020467;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202226 1203265;1437020467;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 07:03:43; trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl 1203266;1437020472;gabriel_laddel;^ wtf why 1203267;1437020479;gabriel_laddel;CLIM!? 1203268;1437020561;gabriel_laddel;Sure it doesn't run "on the web" but one can socket one lisp proc into another and done? 1203269;1437020611;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! 1203270;1437020618;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al! 1203271;1437020656;asciilifeform;gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. 1203272;1437020669;asciilifeform;(remember to always add by ip, stator does not support dns) 1203273;1437020790;asciilifeform;96.241.120.166:8333 1203274;1437020797;asciilifeform;(for now.) 1203275;1437021138;asciilifeform;aaaand i think we might be ph0rk3d again just now. 1203276;1437021165;mod6;<+asciilifeform> gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. << cool! 1203277;1437021219;mod6;are you stuck on block 365`521? 1203278;1437021271;asciilifeform;-20 1203279;1437021294;asciilifeform;(the flagship node, interestingly, isn't) 1203280;1437021428;trinque;gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL 1203281;1437021450;trinque;however I can see a use for CLIM on the backend 1203282;1437021899;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol 1203283;1437021899;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 02:19:08; asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do' 1203284;1437021908;asciilifeform;aha 1203285;1437021926;asciilifeform;but iirc he quit, yes 1203286;1437022099;trinque;double latte is as far as I go into that territory these days 1203287;1437022150;*;mircea_popescu claps zoolag 1203288;1437022180;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203280 << wtf why would you target "internet users". 1203289;1437022180;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 04:37:08; trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL 1203290;1437022187;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/4ac85d1e67774ad97b370692cd87ca40/tumblr_n7fin8iqVA1t6sn51o1_400.gif << check out the sudden improvement in posture once the stick connects. 1203291;1437022188;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAB7Iq ) 1203292;1437022196;trinque;gabriel_laddel: who says I'm "targeting" still 1203293;1437022207;trinque;turns out you can make money in hubcaps and all sorts of other mundane things. 1203294;1437022213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lordosis ! 1203295;1437022415;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203282 << there are three relevent trilema articles. One describes MP's stance on drug legality (perhaps they should be illegal b/c else they'd be mandatory) the second doesn't have a comments section and shows off some MDMA on a tea tray (biz meeting iirc?) and the third mentions the purity of Ar cocaine in the footnotes. 1203296;1437022415;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 04:44:59; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol 1203297;1437022443;trinque;mdma is a truly lovely drug. 1203298;1437022457;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i think there was a fourth where he appreciated hand-blown light bulbs. but under the influence of what, precisely - was not specified. 1203299;1437022548;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: hrm. I don't remember that one, but now that I think about it, there is a comment you made on a nonsense article ~"MP took a delivery of some potent smokables?". 1203300;1437022566;gabriel_laddel;oh, and the liquid-acid restaurant. 1203301;1437022566;asciilifeform;can't recall 1203302;1437022574;gabriel_laddel;"less liquid, less acid" 1203303;1437022580;asciilifeform;probably was a hypothetical 1203304;1437022622;gabriel_laddel;;; google site: trilema.com "this is my attempt at trolling the electrical engineers" 1203305;1437022623;gribble;Shots from a voyage on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Proverb or expression for a situation with two choices, both leading ...: ; Mainstream French Science Magazine Science et Vie on Cold ...: (1 more message) 1203306;1437022670;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=641 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1203307;1437022674;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 ) 1203308;1437022674;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1203309;1437022678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpoJ9K ) 1203310;1437022678;asciilifeform;lulziez 1203311;1437022728;gabriel_laddel;trinque: ben_vulpes: http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Programming-COMMON-LISP-Programmers/dp/0201175894/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437016401&sr=8-1&keywords=a+programmers+guide+CLOS 1203312;1437022730;assbot;Object-Oriented Programming in COMMON LISP: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS: Sonya E. Keene: 0785342175899: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1RABHWB ) 1203313;1437022735;asciilifeform;^ mega-b00k 1203314;1437022738;asciilifeform;recommended. 1203315;1437022738;trinque;cool. 1203316;1437022806;asciilifeform;i suppose this is when i point out that symbolics co. employed a surprising (to modern reader) number of gurlz 1203317;1437022840;asciilifeform;prior to the 'tournamentization' of the programming trade in usa, it was a perfectly respectable profession 1203318;1437022850;asciilifeform;for all kinds of folks 1203319;1437022890;gabriel_laddel;danielpbarron: asciibooklist is missing "China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China". It is quite good. 1203320;1437022891;asciilifeform;but it had to be converted to 'let's you all 19 y.o. derps fight to the death over scraps' 1203321;1437022904;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: missing a fuckton of things, but i was not the one who made the list 1203322;1437022961;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel pretty sure was one about costa rica cocaine being ferried off by us coast guard by the cruiser 1203323;1437022975;mircea_popescu;because the locals don't have an army and happened upon a huge shipment 1203324;1437022995;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I've not read that one. 1203325;1437023024;decimation;asciilifeform: better than 'the art of the metaobject protocol'? 1203326;1437023039;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: now that I think about it, you mentioned it in one of the few articles discussing your budding romance with Ar. 1203327;1437023045;asciilifeform;decimation: different subject 1203328;1437023058;asciilifeform;decimation: keene concerns conventional workaday clos 1203329;1437023089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform minigame is slowly turning into an all girls outfit 1203330;1437023130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that once you bugspray the 19yo. pork, a craftsmanship sort of profession would tend to. 1203331;1437023130;scoopbot_revived;A Megaton Load of Grassy Debris http://thewhet.net/2015/a-megaton-load-of-grassy-debris/ 1203332;1437023134;asciilifeform;like medicine did in ussr. 1203333;1437023183;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha speaking of which. 1203334;1437023188;mircea_popescu;holy shit 51k 1203335;1437023190;mircea_popescu;wd hanbot 1203336;1437023227;cazalla;poor pogo must be getting desperate.. offering 30Gb for free now https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/202943 1203337;1437023229;assbot;Pogoplug 30GB Cloud Storage FREE - OzBargain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RACarU ) 1203338;1437023236;asciilifeform;l0l 1203339;1437023246;asciilifeform;cazalla: our pogo4 is officially out of print btz 1203340;1437023248;asciilifeform;*btw 1203341;1437023288;hanbot;ty mircea_popescu 1203342;1437023316;mircea_popescu;i think they muyst have meanwhile figured out the "less head more butt meat, stupid!" design principle. 1203343;1437023321;mircea_popescu;30gb, z80 cpu 1203344;1437023338;asciilifeform;wake me up when this. 1203345;1437023402;mircea_popescu;hanbot so this is 11 for the little bit turned into what, 1203346;1437023414;mircea_popescu;;;calc 51000 * 60 * .8 1203347;1437023414;gribble;2448000 1203348;1437023419;mircea_popescu;two and a half mil ? 1203349;1437023469;hanbot;25 for my quality 225 bit, 202 swipe of axe. :D 1203350;1437023488;asciilifeform;anybody notice the blockless hour+ ~2h ago ? 1203351;1437023515;mircea_popescu;so basically 1`000`000% returns. gotta be a record 1203352;1437023521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but by now this is a weekly thing 1203353;1437023526;asciilifeform;aha 1203354;1437023530;asciilifeform;still gets me tho 1203355;1437023558;*;asciilifeform bbl 1203356;1437023609;trinque;gabriel_laddel: bought for 9 bucks 1203357;1437023622;trinque;er 13 shipped 1203358;1437023817;gabriel_laddel;trinque: Congrats. It is a lovely book. Simple, to the point, and clearly the product of someone who understood *exactly* the limitations of their tooling. 1203359;1437023855;gabriel_laddel;ftr, I think the 3 canonical CL books are CLtL2, Keene and Art of the MOP 1203360;1437023867;gabriel_laddel;Would appreciate any input. 1203361;1437023884;trinque;cool, I'll let you know what I think of them. 1203362;1437024736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177201 @ 0.0005435 = 96.3087 BTC [-] {5} 1203363;1437024797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153199 @ 0.0005322 = 81.5325 BTC [-] {2} 1203364;1437026114;ben_vulpes; 96.241.120.166:8333 << ah hey! 1203365;1437026124;ben_vulpes;anuzza for my .config 1203366;1437026324;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203012 << i suppose, but...the waste is still shortsighted. 1203367;1437026324;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 01:37:47; asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move 1203368;1437026376;ben_vulpes; i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though... 1203369;1437026444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97900 @ 0.00055949 = 54.7741 BTC [+] {2} 1203370;1437026749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13168 @ 0.00056322 = 7.4165 BTC [+] 1203371;1437027500;ben_vulpes;girl is bolting her dress together tonight 1203372;1437027507;ben_vulpes;rediscovers static friction 1203373;1437027513;ben_vulpes;rediscovered* 1203374;1437027758;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203227 << didn't you do these already? 1203375;1437027758;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 03:22:53; mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi. 1203376;1437028811;scoopbot_revived;Gwern Releases 1.5TB DNM Archive, Steps Down As /r/DarkNetMarkets Moderator http://qntra.net/2015/07/gwern-releases-1-5tb-dnm-archive-steps-down-as-rdarknetmarkets-moderator/ 1203377;1437029982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00053088 = 21.7926 BTC [-] {2} 1203378;1437030279;ben_vulpes;any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/ 1203379;1437030280;assbot;The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8Ndll ) 1203380;1437034984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00053423 = 37.1557 BTC [+] 1203381;1437038858;mircea_popescu;ok ben_vulpes, jus' for you then. http://41.media.tumblr.com/cde5e3b233b4ed7f7d98efcb31f4e3ec/tumblr_mh4wtihA9v1s3kc85o1_1280.jpg 1203382;1437038859;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc97qT ) 1203383;1437040818;punkman;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/sex-toys-have-been-mysteriously-appearing-on-power-lines-in-the-us-city-of-portland-oregon-10392252.html 1203384;1437040819;assbot;Sex toys have been mysteriously appearing on power lines in the US city of Portland, Oregon - Weird News - News - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfw1v ) 1203385;1437040841;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/96f8e81b00bf0618805f7d9fe3af59f6/tumblr_n6543uxBHt1tv5p19o1_400.gif 1203386;1437040844;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfxlX ) 1203387;1437040844;mircea_popescu;mystery solved. 1203388;1437040916;punkman;"A spokesman for public utility Portland General Electric said the dildos do not pose a fire hazard." 1203389;1437040933;mircea_popescu;aren't they hot ? 1203390;1437040953;punkman;not hot enough apparently 1203391;1437040978;mircea_popescu;that's refreshing. 1203392;1437041023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110877 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2338 BTC [+] 1203393;1437041341;punkman;http://www.hudaelislam.org/es/info/fo/alharam/alharam/Mecca-019.jpg 1203394;1437041343;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DiFnAA ) 1203395;1437041393;mircea_popescu;hey, how's greece two days after everyone stopped talking about it ? 1203396;1437041413;punkman;same as last week 1203397;1437041470;mircea_popescu;aha. 1203398;1437041617;punkman;"Euro Area said to agree in principle to €7bn #Greece bridge loan. Eurozone bridge loan to Greece would be announced tomorrow" 1203399;1437041756;mircea_popescu;aha. 1203400;1437041771;mircea_popescu;"(iii) COLOUR FEELING. The old-style contemptuous attitude towards 'natives' has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned.[Note, below] Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among Englis 1203401;1437041771;mircea_popescu;h intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements." 1203402;1437041772;mircea_popescu;word. 1203403;1437041779;punkman;I'm wondering how they'll limit outgoing transactions if/when banks reopen 1203404;1437041826;mircea_popescu;prolly a 30% tax. 1203405;1437041856;punkman;problem is greece imports too much stuff 1203406;1437041893;mircea_popescu;yes, this is aproblem, but not the way you think. 1203407;1437041910;mircea_popescu;if it imported half that much it'd be in much better a shape. 1203408;1437041983;mircea_popescu;anyway, 30% tax is what the usians are doing, and there aren't multiple thinkers going in the western world, so. 1203409;1437042017;mircea_popescu;"Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes." 1203410;1437042026;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this stupid shit' sapparently a century old. 1203411;1437042044;punkman;older than that 1203412;1437042185;mircea_popescu;ironically, the anthropologic record is unmistakingly opposite : black WOMEN have a lot of sex. 1203413;1437042669;cazalla;ya seen black women lately though? make hottentot look like a size 6 1203414;1437042752;BingoBoingo;!b 8 1203415;1437042753;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0EH7CQR.txt ) 1203416;1437042841;mircea_popescu;i have, actually. positively lithe 1203417;1437042854;mircea_popescu;not all black women come from samoa you know. 1203418;1437043063;cazalla;not sure i've even come across samoan/poly/maori women in porn before 1203419;1437043171;davout;mircea_popescu: ohai plz to x.eur 1203420;1437043184;mircea_popescu;hi there. 1203421;1437043306;cazalla;http://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Provincial/15/07/14/Vancouver_Based_Dating_Site_Plenty_of_Fish_Sold_for_575_Million 1203422;1437043307;assbot;Vancouver-Based Dating Site PlentyofFish Sold for $575 Million ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDhGhI ) 1203423;1437043353;mircea_popescu;o.O 1203424;1437043358;mircea_popescu;no 500 trillion ??!?! 1203425;1437043404;cazalla;"There are an estimated 100,000,000 users on PlentyOfFish." sounds like plenty of fish to me.. anyway this guy use to be a regular on wickedfire.com and got that site started creating fake profiles back in the day 1203426;1437043685;nubbins`;with ASP.NET technology, no less. 1203427;1437043711;mircea_popescu;ayup 1203428;1437043751;cazalla;ah well good on him, never took the startup route with investors and shit 1203429;1437043874;mircea_popescu;5.75 an user ? 1203430;1437043876;nubbins`;turns out if you wait long enough they'll suck your cock instead of the other way around 1203431;1437043881;mircea_popescu;still seems insane to me. 1203432;1437043899;mircea_popescu;nubbins` this is possibly the oldest rule in the book. 1203433;1437043907;nubbins`;nod 1203434;1437043919;nubbins`;does the site even make money these days? 1203435;1437043926;nubbins`;used to be free / ad-supported 1203436;1437043989;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1123066.0 1203437;1437043991;assbot;❎►฿ Smoothie's Hawaiian Property (gauging interest for now) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQwwap ) 1203438;1437044002;nubbins`;hawaii, to me, seems to be a nice place to visit but a really shitty run-down place to live 1203439;1437044004;mircea_popescu;i don't see that it'd make enough to pay for the servers. 1203440;1437044013;nubbins`;sort of like how i imagine florida, complete w/ meth heads 1203441;1437044040;mircea_popescu;all islands suck to live on 1203442;1437044047;mircea_popescu;if you're larger than a rat, at any rate. 1203443;1437044048;nubbins`;heh, tell me about it. 1203444;1437044060;nubbins`;;;google the island of newfoundland 1203445;1437044060;gribble;Newfoundland (island) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Newfoundland and Labrador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Welcome to Newfoundland :: Where is Newfoundland?: 1203446;1437044065;mircea_popescu;lol 1203447;1437044084;mircea_popescu;isn't onedog of twodogs larger than europe ? 1203448;1437044125;nubbins`;labrador ("the big land" is around 300km^2 1203449;1437044134;nubbins`;newfoundland is 400ish 1203450;1437044165;mircea_popescu;oh that tiny ? 1203451;1437044166;nubbins`;.ro, around 240 1203452;1437044175;mircea_popescu;you mean thousand km^2 ? 1203453;1437044182;nubbins`;hahah. yes. :/ 1203454;1437044186;mircea_popescu;aok 1203455;1437044260;nubbins`;nf is notable for being one of very few places in the world which has its own name in the irish language 1203456;1437044283;nubbins`;"talamh an éisc" 1203457;1437044415;nubbins`;the irish, in turn, blessed nf english with such words as "scrob", "streel", and "sleveen" 1203458;1437044437;nubbins`;as well as several bizarre grammatical structures 1203459;1437044461;nubbins`;e.g. "Oh, he's already after leaving" 1203460;1437044588;nubbins`;jesus. who cares? 1203461;1437044593;nubbins`;hey, steve 1203462;1437044598;HeySteve;hello there 1203463;1437044616;HeySteve;re: plenty of fish - http://postimg.org/image/upib72xjl/ 1203464;1437044616;assbot;View image: 11755092 1152768334738729 4554841114117486960 n ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQymYQ ) 1203465;1437044636;HeySteve;"there's a bunch of fish in the sea... but how do you catch one if your line's so short!" 1203466;1437044732;mircea_popescu;there's also drinks. http://41.media.tumblr.com/ca7613e9663326cd0ba60becf72f1cb9/tumblr_mxji2civUi1rz73x8o1_1280.jpg 1203467;1437044734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQyQhm ) 1203468;1437044915;HeySteve;tasty 1203469;1437045176;nubbins`;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/16/0020246/fbi-helps-shut-down-piracy-sites-in-romania 1203470;1437045177;assbot;FBI Helps Shut Down Piracy Sites In Romania - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAdN7 ) 1203471;1437045229;nubbins`;somewhat more interesting: http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/medical-robots/rewalk-robotics-new-exoskeleton-lets-paraplegic-stroll-the-streets-of-nyc 1203472;1437045230;assbot;ReWalk Robotics's New Exoskeleton Lets Paraplegic Stroll the Streets of NYC - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAn7i ) 1203473;1437045283;nubbins`;"He got a few curious looks as he strode forward in his sleek black gear, but the fast-walking New Yorkers didn’t slow down or clear space for him." 1203474;1437045304;nubbins`;imagine, midtown manhattan and people didn't clear space for a guy wearing something weird 1203475;1437045513;nubbins`;"The ReWalk 6.0 has a steep list price: US $77,000. Woo said there’s no chance his insurance provider will reimburse him: “They won’t even pay for my wheelchair,” he said." 1203476;1437045515;nubbins`;o.O 1203477;1437045523;nubbins`;america: don't get sick 1203478;1437045738;scoopbot_revived;X.EUR July 16th statement http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/ 1203479;1437045783;HeySteve;"stair mode hasn’t been approved by U.S. regulators yet, so ReWalks bought here currently have that function blocked." 1203480;1437045842;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 374 @ 0.00395346 = 1.4786 BTC [-] {5} 1203481;1437045888;nubbins`;yeah heh. 1203482;1437045898;nubbins`;canadian regulators apparently DGAF and allow stair mode 1203483;1437046152;nubbins`;"Home cooking is still the best way to control the calories, fat, sugar and other nutrients that families consume, a new U.S. study suggests." 1203484;1437046168;nubbins`;can you purchase forks specifically made for poking eyes out? 1203485;1437046693;mod6;hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :] 1203486;1437046818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66850 @ 0.00053052 = 35.4653 BTC [-] {2} 1203487;1437047749;fluffypony;this is my favourite slide from the Bitcoin Africa conference 1203488;1437047750;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9o88m8gS4#t=4m30s 1203489;1437047751;assbot;Gareth Grobler - New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K94YAZ ) 1203490;1437047770;fluffypony;I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future 1203491;1437051881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27479 @ 0.00053009 = 14.5663 BTC [-] {2} 1203492;1437051942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75227 @ 0.00052903 = 39.7973 BTC [-] {2} 1203493;1437053406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00053459 = 13.0707 BTC [+] 1203494;1437053894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0005289 = 20.4155 BTC [-] 1203495;1437054375;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203378 << aha. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1157467 >> it is spiffy, but difficult to build at first 1203496;1437054375;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 07:04:39; ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/ 1203497;1437054375;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 02:03:19; asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant' 1203498;1437054461;asciilifeform;it almost succeeds at shooting the very concept of db in the head ('i will do whatever i want to this data structure, and it will still be there if machine resets, without my having mutilated it in any way to make this possible') 1203499;1437054748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67650 @ 0.00052841 = 35.7469 BTC [-] {2} 1203500;1437055100;asciilifeform;;;isup qntra.net 1203501;1437055104;gribble;qntra.net is down 1203502;1437055297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26529 @ 0.00053459 = 14.1821 BTC [+] 1203503;1437055765;thestringpuller;asciilifeform beat me to it 1203504;1437056469;asciilifeform;also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support 1203505;1437056555;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: we might wanna catch that exception instead of letting it propagate to the 'errors:' buffer 1203506;1437056562;ben_vulpes;indeed 1203507;1437056565;ben_vulpes;achtung, etc 1203508;1437056596;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest" 1203509;1437056607;asciilifeform;^ elephant 1203510;1437056617;asciilifeform;(the only public example i know of) 1203511;1437056680;asciilifeform;symbolics corp. had some very interesting commercial lisp db, e.g., 'statice' 1203512;1437056689;asciilifeform;but it is now of archaeological interest only 1203513;1437056700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00052784 = 29.7174 BTC [-] {2} 1203514;1437056861;asciilifeform;https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics?&sort=-downloads&page=2 << incidentally 1203515;1437056864;assbot;The BITSAVERS.ORG Documents Library: Symbolics : Free Texts : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1McFciw ) 1203516;1437057108;ben_vulpes;those manual covers are gorgeous 1203517;1437057131;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: apparently no one on the net has the statice book up. so here it is, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/statice.pdf 1203518;1437057135;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1McFHZO ) 1203519;1437057156;asciilifeform;enough to get a good sense of the flavour. 1203520;1437057191;asciilifeform;re: 'elephant', note that the backend is not pure lisp 1203521;1437057219;asciilifeform;has the consequence of making it a first-class bitch to set up on a given box 1203522;1437057239;asciilifeform;(the ffi crud has to be just-so, etc) 1203523;1437057524;ben_vulpes;neat, ty asciilifeform 1203524;1437057536;ben_vulpes;o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for 1203525;1437057545;asciilifeform;the backend 1203526;1437057569;asciilifeform;bdb 1203527;1437057573;ben_vulpes;aha 1203528;1437057579;ben_vulpes;ever try it with pg? 1203529;1437057586;asciilifeform;https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant << see docs. 1203530;1437057587;assbot;The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u88z ) 1203531;1437057590;ben_vulpes;(i can see why a bdb impl would need it) 1203532;1437057610;asciilifeform;it claims to work with pg, but i was never able to achieve this 1203533;1437057622;asciilifeform;worth a shot, if you have a serious use for this 1203534;1437057654;ben_vulpes;making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful 1203535;1437057674;ben_vulpes;especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store 1203536;1437057747;ben_vulpes;no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant? 1203537;1437057759;ben_vulpes;s/'s// 1203538;1437057760;asciilifeform;whossat 1203539;1437057774;ben_vulpes;colored coins iirc 1203540;1437057782;asciilifeform;never heard of 1203541;1437057867;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: looks like they might be two separate people 1203542;1437057912;ben_vulpes;well there's that then 1203543;1437058013;asciilifeform;.. or not 1203544;1437058020;asciilifeform;found at least two of'em 1203545;1437058036;asciilifeform;but one is a journo-spammer and doesn't appear to have any part in software 1203546;1437058103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31782 @ 0.00053619 = 17.0412 BTC [+] {2} 1203547;1437058122;*;asciilifeform bbl 1203548;1437060302;mats;http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge 1203549;1437060303;assbot;How We Fared in the Cyber Grand Challenge – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1SpuV1a ) 1203550;1437060385;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2egL4y_VpYg 1203551;1437060386;assbot;Bjarne Stroustrup - What – if anything – have we learned from C++? - PLE'15 Keynote/Curry On - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Spv1G1 ) 1203552;1437060401;thestringpuller;^^^ trigger warning 1203553;1437061641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101400 @ 0.00052685 = 53.4226 BTC [-] {2} 1203554;1437061843;mats;? 1203555;1437062063;mats;ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach 1203556;1437062182;mats;nobody gains anything from a circlejerk about how machines suck 1203557;1437067658;danielpbarron;my pogo is currently -connect'd to ascii's thing, now is getting blocks in a reasonable timeframe 1203558;1437067694;danielpbarron;i don't think it can fully sync anymore as-is without direct connect to a "blessed" node 1203559;1437067723;danielpbarron;what with this nonStandard tx spam probably being the new norm 1203560;1437067810;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: it still wedges? 1203561;1437067818;thestringpuller;(with "normal" nodes)? 1203562;1437067819;danielpbarron;no, but it can't keep up either 1203563;1437067848;danielpbarron;gets bogged down trying to recieve and relay so many spam transactions 1203564;1437067871;thestringpuller;That was happening on my full node too so I had to shut it down. 1203565;1437067881;danielpbarron;the blocks themselves take no more than a few minutes to verify, but it isn't always verifying blocks 1203566;1437067935;danielpbarron;i think much of the issue is solved with BingoBoingo's patch that lets 0.5.3 bitcoin.conf have a line defining the minimum tx fee for relaying 1203567;1437067942;thestringpuller;Does it max on it's bandwidth or is it slow in "verifying" new tx's? 1203568;1437067962;danielpbarron;i don't know enough to answer that, but i doubt it's bandwidth 1203569;1437067985;danielpbarron;although come to think of it, my home internet did seem kinda sluggish as of late 1203570;1437067993;thestringpuller;Also I thought if your mempool doesn't match another node's that node will isolate you. 1203571;1437068004;danielpbarron;could be coincidence, like summer people on vacation flooding my shared cable lines 1203572;1437068021;danielpbarron;hah like i care what non foundation nodes do 1203573;1437068039;danielpbarron;all i care is, do other 0.5.3.1 nodes like me? ok good. 1203574;1437068084;thestringpuller;0.5.3.1 nodes are sleeper cells atm too, (vis-a-vis ascii's node being recognized by bitnodes.io) 1203575;1437068182;thestringpuller;I found that during the "spam attack" my node was using almost 90% of it's upstream bandwidth relaying transactions. 1203576;1437068291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00054542 = 22.5258 BTC [+] {2} 1203577;1437070416;BingoBoingo;https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NSA-KDBUS-Credentials 1203578;1437070417;assbot;The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1OhdYFA ) 1203579;1437071173;trinque;"Why don't you let people define their own abstractions, and put the abstraction mechanism into the language?" 1203580;1437071178;trinque;from Stroustrup talk 1203581;1437071180;*;trinque closes it 1203582;1437071644;ben_vulpes;kill the mempool, kill the relay 1203583;1437072463;Naphex;Will be launching a non x-rated Xotika.TV spin-off called otika.tv. For whatever people wanna stream that doesn't need lots of disclaimers ;] 1203584;1437072885;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1203585;1437072886;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.85, Best ask: 275.86, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.85, 24 hour volume: 53972.57780706, 24 hour low: 275.21, 24 hour high: 295.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1203586;1437074446;jurov;danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: wd, pogos arrived complete with "no customs duty" sticker 1203587;1437074475;danielpbarron;yay 1203588;1437074479;jurov;daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back 1203589;1437074527;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1203590;1437074534;ascii_field;congrats jurov, danielpbarron 1203591;1437074576;kakobrekla;did you ship them disassembled? 1203592;1437074586;danielpbarron;i did, yes 1203593;1437074637;*;trinque just brought "monolith" up on gentoo 1203594;1437074645;trinque;so much room for blockchainz 1203595;1437074776;BingoBoingo; kill the mempool, kill the relay << On some level relay is still necessary. 1203596;1437076569;*;shinohai 's pogo is very happy so far. 1203597;1437076830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14090 @ 0.0005475 = 7.7143 BTC [+] 1203598;1437077127;mircea_popescu;jurov cool, have fun 1203599;1437077140;trinque;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/chattanooga-tennessee-shooting.html << another one went pop 1203600;1437077143;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkEoj ) 1203601;1437077433;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203485 << nuts huh 1203602;1437077433;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 11:38:13; mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :] 1203603;1437077467;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203490 << can it be text summary or image ? youtube decided to cease working on non-retarded systems meanwhile. 1203604;1437077467;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 11:56:10; fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future 1203605;1437077505;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203504 << right. 1203606;1437077505;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support 1203607;1437077518;mircea_popescu;should insta-ban a node sending that, just waste of bw. 1203608;1437077544;mats;http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/intel-confirms-tick-tock-shattering-kaby-lake-processor-as-moores-law-falters/ 1203609;1437077545;assbot;Intel confirms tick-tock-shattering Kaby Lake processor as Moore’s Law falters | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1gE8r0K ) 1203610;1437077583;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1203611;1437077688;mircea_popescu;aww! 1203612;1437077701;diametric;hmm my bouncer is terrible 1203613;1437077701;mircea_popescu;who was arguing the point with me, decimation ? 1203614;1437077703;thestringpuller;but i'll email you as soon as I get to my home machine. probably will boot it up tonight instead of reading comics. 1203615;1437077721;diametric;i explicitly use it to save pms, and it fails at it. 1203616;1437077749;thestringpuller;Booooo. irssi stop spamming channel 1203617;1437077756;mircea_popescu;what's that schmuck's handle 1203618;1437077766;mircea_popescu;;;seen gavinanderssen 1203619;1437077767;gribble;I have not seen gavinanderssen. 1203620;1437077775;mircea_popescu;;;google gavin the bitcoin shithead 1203621;1437077775;gribble;The Bitcoin Dumping Charade | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: ; "The Bitcoin protocol doesn't exist." : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; ELI5: If Bitcoin is decentralized, why are there centralized people in ...: (1 more message) 1203622;1437077804;mircea_popescu;sucks trying to talk to the anon herd already. 1203623;1437077805;mod6;<+jurov> daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back << :> 1203624;1437077821;thestringpuller;;;seen gavinandressen 1203625;1437077822;gribble;I have not seen gavinandressen. 1203626;1437077825;mircea_popescu;;;seen GavinAndresen 1203627;1437077826;gribble;GavinAndresen was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: I’ve gotta go. Pierre_Rochard, nice chatting with you. 1203628;1437077828;mircea_popescu;aha 1203629;1437077841;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: as of this morning, 'zoolag' was fully synced and happily serving 40 or so connections 1203630;1437077842;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gavinandresen how's the moore law coming along, shithead ? 1203631;1437077842;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1203632;1437077878;mod6;ascii_field: cool! 1203633;1437077921;mircea_popescu;ascii_field good. i still can't get my nodes to eat the block in question. 1203634;1437077945;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i suppose when you quit using that thing and post the src, i will be able to tell you why ! 1203635;1437077948;mod6;<< nuts huh << off of a Tiny, with 1 BON!! that's one for the books 1203636;1437077981;mircea_popescu;myeah. you got better stuff to do. 1203637;1437078069;ascii_field;it'd take all of half an hour. but anyway. 1203638;1437078289;nubbins`;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3di6zc/nick_szabos_hidden_work/ct5fk9s 1203639;1437078290;assbot;mike_hearn comments on Nick Szabo's hidden work ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSoc9Z ) 1203640;1437078292;mircea_popescu;the big problem intel faces is that in a world where you can get a billion dollars for free just for being where the pellet landed in iraq, 1203641;1437078304;mircea_popescu;it makes very little sense to actually bother even trying to get the fine shit alligned 1203642;1437078355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9003 @ 0.00054649 = 4.92 BTC [-] 1203643;1437078388;nubbins`;"And the defect rate is particularly notable; at inception the software was unusually free of defect. Unlike many other initial Bitcoin packages which in their first releases were full of crashes and deadlocks Bitcoin was nearly free of them. Most of the serious bugs fixed subsequently were added by other people." 1203644;1437078403;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1203645;1437078407;nubbins`;^ guy disagreeing with hearn's opinion that satoshi's code was diarrhoea splatter 1203646;1437078409;mircea_popescu;"other people" 1203647;1437078413;nubbins`;heheheheh. 1203648;1437078416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26680 @ 0.00054649 = 14.5804 BTC [-] 1203649;1437078417;mircea_popescu;they were added by you (ie, hearn), and by gavin and so on. 1203650;1437078419;nubbins`;l'enfer 1203651;1437078461;mircea_popescu;anyway. the claim is not that the original code is bad as in, bad penmanship. the claim is that the original code is no good as in, not sane design. this is consistent with a prototype and not particularly reflective on the capacity of the author. 1203652;1437078467;nubbins`;yup 1203653;1437078477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0005475 = 15.0836 BTC [+] 1203654;1437078546;mircea_popescu;the chicken scriblings coming after were originally excused under the "they're kids and they mean well" header. 1203655;1437078560;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, it became apparent that they're not kids but actually mentally retarded, and they certainly do not mean well. 1203656;1437078630;BingoBoingo; Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support << From my limited understanding it isn't Phoundation nodes, but SPV shit running Hearnia's BitcoinJ doing that 1203657;1437078639;BingoBoingo;Phoundation nodes just respond 1203658;1437078669;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0037.mediawiki << apparently 1203659;1437078670;assbot;bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSpl1h ) 1203660;1437078710;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/xRHwZ 1203661;1437078711;assbot;Box I found in my apartment - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSptOs ) 1203662;1437078731;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203555 << these are separate issues. whether love or hate and whether curiosity or uncuriosity are perfectly orthogonal concerns. you can be lovingly uncurious, you can be hatefully curious, and the other two combos as well. 1203663;1437078731;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 15:54:23; mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach 1203664;1437078758;mircea_popescu;moreover, and more importantly, other than the "palatable" part, which is entirely your own aesthetic judgement, i'd like some substantiation as to the "nobody gains" part. how do you know this ? 1203665;1437078797;ascii_field;nubbins`: yours? they look like cheapo surplus 9mm luger 1203666;1437078798;mircea_popescu;as best i can discern atm, a curiosity steeped in burning hate is by far the best approach when dealing with maggot swamps. 1203667;1437078807;mircea_popescu;such as you know, things written by english native speakers. 1203668;1437079074;ascii_field;this is the kind of field i refer to as 'of entomological interest' 1203669;1437079102;mircea_popescu;i imagined so. 1203670;1437079115;ascii_field;'who said lawyer cannot be an anarchist? must a doctor love disease?' (eben moglen, rms's lawyer) 1203671;1437079152;nubbins`;ascii_field not mine 1203672;1437079162;nubbins`;i don't have w/e paperwork is required to purchase guns or ammo 1203673;1437079165;mircea_popescu;well, the role of b-a in most people's lives at this point is i suppose this critical if at times forcible examination of mental habits and automatisms they hold dear unexamidely. 1203674;1437079181;mircea_popescu;ironically, half the time this happens in response to someone asking b-a to stop being so radically self-centered. 1203675;1437079319;mircea_popescu;anyway, the root is, i suppose, the unwarranted expectation that choice predates existence, and that it necessarily is (not even by god's grace or anything, but immediately) accessible to "thinking people" which the subject will always see himself as. consequently, given that choice predates existence, and given that it is necessarily accessible, it then follows that one may only be informed by things one approves of. 1203676;1437079348;mircea_popescu;so you know, if you decide you hate it then you couldn't possibly (in this worldview) ever learn anything from it, or even examine it critically. 1203677;1437079375;mircea_popescu;so the doctor example is particularly cogent. the doctor, and more generally the scholar (called scientist these days) is the person whose curiosity is inflamed by what makes others puke. 1203678;1437079415;mircea_popescu;a rare enough trait, which is why periods of abundance do not increase the population. 1203679;1437079419;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1203680;1437079462;ascii_field;think of the fella who first loaded own spoodge onto a microscope slide. 1203681;1437079479;ascii_field;(fairly arbitrary example) 1203682;1437079483;mircea_popescu;things like how trilema shapes the future irrespective of how many derps deem themselves to be "offended" by it and attempt in their meagre way to resist are obviously not well explained by that theory. 1203683;1437079899;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine general's problem 1203684;1437079964;mircea_popescu;oh ok... 1203685;1437080235;mats;it is certainly an aesthetic concern 1203686;1437080256;mats;and here is why: i don't think its possible to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather than curiousity. 1203687;1437080270;mircea_popescu;why ? 1203688;1437080304;mircea_popescu;do you suppose torquemada was the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike the other jews, he was contempt-powered ? 1203689;1437080306;mats;because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did 1203690;1437080310;trinque;mats: sure you can; you never smelled something even though you already knew it was rotten? 1203691;1437080317;trinque;there's humor in that 1203692;1437080326;mircea_popescu;mats so anecdotally ? 1203693;1437080348;mats;yes. 1203694;1437080369;mircea_popescu;i dunno, the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was. 1203695;1437080391;mircea_popescu;and i do mean this no. prolly met more mothers than you met reverse engineers, too. 1203696;1437080562;mircea_popescu;anyway. historically there's no impact. for many years teachers soundly and loudly despised their pupils. this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked them to love the kids didn 1203697;1437080563;mircea_popescu;'t ya ?!), the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy twerps. 1203698;1437080573;mircea_popescu;the proportion of actual humans coming out, about the same throughout. 1203699;1437080579;mircea_popescu;it just doesn't matter, imo. 1203700;1437080800;nubbins`;<+mats> because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did <<< those who think they know X have those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions to one 1203701;1437080879;mats;if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters 1203702;1437080906;mircea_popescu;this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing THAT is even in the rules, such as they are. 1203703;1437080912;mats;it stinks of intellectual laziness 1203704;1437080946;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow their betters just to maintain the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence" they do not actually possess. 1203705;1437080960;nubbins`;heh. 1203706;1437080962;mircea_popescu;in short, unpalatable as this is, im afraid it'd be a field where no formal examination is possible. 1203707;1437081004;ascii_field;who is surprised by this ? 1203708;1437081078;trinque;ftr I listened to the talk; the way the man thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing the whole history of the field and designing from that perspective. 1203709;1437081103;trinque;I deeply and passionately resent everyone in the field which put systems such as these in my lap and told me they were "industry standards" and so on 1203710;1437081113;trinque;and am glad I didn't waste more of my career. 1203711;1437081168;mircea_popescu;yet most of everything that works was built by people doing the incremental bs. 1203712;1437081173;mircea_popescu;the other sort broadly make titanics. 1203713;1437081174;*;ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match 1203714;1437081208;mircea_popescu;i think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's the problem with derps "reviewing the whole history" 1203715;1437081211;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: titanic is the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall the piece re: the officers ? 1203716;1437081220;trinque;mircea_popescu: I see that point too 1203717;1437081226;trinque;!up ascii_field 1203718;1437081228;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the problem lies with 'derps' not with the 'rewrite' 1203719;1437081239;mircea_popescu;ascii_field beheading the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire. 1203720;1437081270;ascii_field;does not follow that the heads ought to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes 1203721;1437081282;mircea_popescu;neither. 1203722;1437081294;mircea_popescu;but yes, it does not follow that the heads ought to stay on. 1203723;1437081362;ascii_field;!s lightoller 1203724;1437081364;assbot;5 results for 'lightoller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lightoller 1203725;1437081383;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#921779 << old thread 1203726;1437081383;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, the experience of years and what we have always done outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.' 1203727;1437081771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21789 @ 0.00054649 = 11.9075 BTC [-] 1203728;1437081801;punkman;ascii_field, what did Lightoller do? 1203729;1437081952;mircea_popescu;well he didnb't MAKE the titanic, in any case. 1203730;1437081966;mircea_popescu;he just got stuck trying to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed to the headboard when he couldn't. 1203731;1437082216;ascii_field;he was the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm' 1203732;1437082244;mircea_popescu;at the one time when buying ibm was actually the rigfht move. 1203733;1437082256;mircea_popescu;nothing matches the perversity of justice. 1203734;1437082274;ascii_field;why the right move? 1203735;1437082284;ascii_field;i dun see it 1203736;1437082512;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdRycY2Xtg4 1203737;1437082513;assbot;Angela Merkel tells sobbing asylum seeker why she cannot stay in Germany - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9ObxF ) 1203738;1437082750;mircea_popescu;because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research 1203739;1437082802;mircea_popescu;"During the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of those programs and rewrite 94 of them to eliminate bugs built in their code. This proves, without a doubt, that it is not only possible but achievable to automate the actions of a talented software auditor." 1203740;1437082812;mircea_popescu;doesn't this prove without a doubt that half the bugs were left behind ? 1203741;1437083064;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1203742;1437084211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54590 @ 0.00055152 = 30.1075 BTC [+] {2} 1203743;1437084672;mircea_popescu;ah what the hell, i'll bite. 1203744;1437084690;mats;well, yeah. its a hard problem 1203745;1437084700;mats;black box and all 1203746;1437084747;ascii_field;wai wut 1203747;1437084753;*;ascii_field must have missed 1203748;1437084768;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203713 << allow me to please you by pointing out that in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1201884 and similar, you actually misrepresent the strategic situation by failing to look at the whole history :D 1203749;1437084768;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match 1203750;1437084768;assbot;Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys' 1203751;1437084771;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203548 1203752;1437084771;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 15:25:02; mats: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge 1203753;1437084772;mircea_popescu;specifically what i mean is this : 1203754;1437084810;mircea_popescu;the satoshi hoard poses very little threat to bitcoin as is. the real threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging, that's thje actual son of the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense. 1203755;1437084813;mircea_popescu;signed by the right key. 1203756;1437084829;mircea_popescu;normally the switchover from prototype to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes. 1203757;1437084833;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to be the only one pushing the heresy, no 1203758;1437084850;mircea_popescu;but in actual fact the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying themselves, that it likely wouldn't even be needed, today. 1203759;1437084865;mircea_popescu;"orthodoxy" is such a laughingstock people'd just switch with a sigh of relief. 1203760;1437084873;mircea_popescu;ya see ? 1203761;1437084899;mircea_popescu;you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for the plain reason that history is something you only know once it no longer matters 1203762;1437084906;mircea_popescu;(formally, once it no longer can be used to make predictions) 1203763;1437084908;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1203764;1437084935;*;ascii_field a little confused. possibly from too much x86 asm today 1203765;1437084978;ascii_field;what is it that people would switch to ? 1203766;1437084992;mircea_popescu;satoshi's own bitcoin 1.0 1203767;1437085033;ascii_field;built with vs, aha 1203768;1437085036;ascii_field;hurry, switch. 1203769;1437085036;mircea_popescu;mno. 1203770;1437085065;mircea_popescu;about the messiah, no factual claims may be made :) 1203771;1437085085;ascii_field;the more i work with the eldritch horror, the less respect i have for this 'messiah' 1203772;1437085091;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203738 << uh, try reading up on the titanic crash? 1203773;1437085091;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research 1203774;1437085116;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel what specifically ? 1203775;1437085130;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nevertheless, the strategic considerations involved are what they are. 1203776;1437085146;mircea_popescu;the very notable reserve power behind it all is not the hoard. 1203777;1437085168;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his thing ~long before~ the ship began to sink 1203778;1437085173;ascii_field;before it hit the ice. 1203779;1437085181;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: yep. 1203780;1437085186;mircea_popescu;wasn't he the guy organising the raft boats ? 1203781;1437085211;gabriel_laddel;there was one man who wanted to prosecute the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name... 1203782;1437085218;ascii_field;http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf << original article 1203783;1437085220;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gEijrg ) 1203784;1437085243;gabriel_laddel;exact article I was thinking of 1203785;1437085268;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what is the 'reserve power' here ? 1203786;1437085276;gabriel_laddel;mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking their hatred? 1203787;1437085279;mircea_popescu;"here is the new bitcoin" 1203788;1437085291;ascii_field;if it is the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts 1203789;1437085315;mircea_popescu;combined with the hoard you may keep your doubtrs 1203790;1437085347;mircea_popescu;but as things stand today, after two years of idiocy from the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it. 1203791;1437085495;ascii_field;so mircea_popescu would run a festering heap of shit like bitcoin 0.1, so long as it were signed with satoshi ? 1203792;1437085579;gabriel_laddel;http://www.shagbase.com/one-piece-off-ass/ << lovely captions 1203793;1437085581;assbot;Shagbase - One Piece of Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1gEiN0p ) 1203794;1437085581;mircea_popescu;no. 1203795;1437085590;ascii_field;i'll confess that my first thought, if anything were ever to appear signed with satoshi's key, that he has finally been found, killed, and usgificated. 1203796;1437085602;mircea_popescu;depends what it says. 1203797;1437085611;mircea_popescu;there is no structural way to scoure a message outside of it. 1203798;1437085620;ascii_field;well yes. 1203799;1437085641;mircea_popescu;moreover : the solution to the challenge is plainly there. 1203800;1437085653;mircea_popescu;~that~ is what the hoard is for. 1203801;1437085671;ascii_field;but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ 1203802;1437085677;ascii_field;vs merely a club. 1203803;1437085682;mircea_popescu;anyway. ima be off ot eat. 1203804;1437085685;mircea_popescu;we can continue later! 1203805;1437088109;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2601&pr=0 1203806;1437088110;assbot;JL: Your Stolen Man Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxTq9g ) 1203807;1437088481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64128 @ 0.00054481 = 34.9376 BTC [-] {2} 1203808;1437089701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21972 @ 0.00053338 = 11.7194 BTC [-] 1203809;1437090293;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is the only real way to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due to the game's inherent challenge vs. The game being an unfinished piece of shit 1203810;1437090293;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1203811;1437091898;danielpbarron;!up popmechanic 1203812;1437091928;BingoBoingo;Hello popmechanic 1203813;1437091935;popmechanic;Greetings:) 1203814;1437092080;BingoBoingo;Hello 1203815;1437092090;BingoBoingo;Anything in particular bring you here today? 1203816;1437092141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00052484 = 36.004 BTC [-] 1203817;1437092245;BingoBoingo;Avalon Jeff falls to senility https://archive.is/L3paQ 1203818;1437092246;assbot;SwagPokerz comments on BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB on Nov 11, 2015. by jgarzik · Pull Request #6451 · bitcoin/bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oih8ZJ ) 1203819;1437092632;popmechanic;Michael Goldstein referenced this channel on Twitter today. I hadn’t heard of it and am interested in Bitcoin so I thought I’d lurk for, oh, 6 months or so;) 1203820;1437092751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68194 @ 0.00054844 = 37.4003 BTC [+] {2} 1203821;1437092768;BingoBoingo;popmechanic: Sounds like a solid plan. Probably would be prudent to register. The you can self voice to ask questions. WHen asking questions you will probably get links which will lead you to the golden six months of logs to read. 1203822;1437092805;Adlai;!h 1203823;1437092805;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1203824;1437093222;popmechanic;!register 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF 1203825;1437093222;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF. This may take a few moments. 1203826;1437093223;assbot;Key C6E7BDCF / "keybase.io/marcusestes " successfully imported. 1203827;1437093223;assbot;Registration successful. 1203828;1437093231;mats;oh lawd 1203829;1437093244;mats;does keybase have your private key, popmechanic? 1203830;1437093256;popmechanic;no 1203831;1437093261;mats;ok good 1203832;1437093325;BingoBoingo;popmechanic: DO you work for Keybase or do they just offer email addy's at their domain. 1203833;1437093396;danielpbarron;that means his key was generated in web browser via javascript, I think 1203834;1437093431;popmechanic;Apparently they just offer email addresses? Not sure, first time I’ve used the service. I totally understand and am prepared to agree with a predjudice against a service like this, because they’re going to end up sitting on private keys. But it’s optional, and actually a pretty handy way to manage a few aspects of PGP management. 1203835;1437093453;popmechanic;Correct, I believe the key is generated client side. 1203836;1437093467;trinque;eh if it was generated in a browser it's still unsafe 1203837;1437093484;trinque;how can you be sure you're running the JS they intended? (or that their JS intends well) 1203838;1437093492;danielpbarron;it is possible to make your own key offline through keybase but I just don't see the point 1203839;1437093498;BingoBoingo;popmechanic: What OS are you on? Javascript RNGs are notoriously unsafe. As unsafe as Pirate Party RNGs 1203840;1437093529;popmechanic;Mac OS 1203841;1437093558;mats;popmechanic: piling on a bit here, but i suggest running it through Phuctor, a service that attempts to factor keys with weak moduli -- http://nosuchlabs.com 1203842;1437093585;BingoBoingo;popmechanic: Do you run Mac Ports? 1203843;1437093610;mats;to date, Phuctor has broken 300+ keys. see: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats 1203844;1437093617;popmechanic;I do, yes. 1203845;1437093654;BingoBoingo;popmechanic: Build GPG, preferably a 1.4.x series version and do the key generation thing again 1203846;1437093770;BingoBoingo;!up popmechanic 1203847;1437093898;Adlai;mats: i'm not sure you're reading that quite right 1203848;1437093980;BingoBoingo;mats: Phuctor broke 95. The duplicate modulus is a different kind of warning than broken 1203849;1437094479;danielpbarron;!up hazirafel 1203850;1437094847;mats;oops 1203851;1437094876;BingoBoingo;mats: happens 1203852;1437095121;scoopbot_revived;Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/ 1203853;1437095252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00054866 = 28.9418 BTC [+] 1203854;1437095618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00054446 = 60.3806 BTC [-] {2} 1203855;1437095795;asciilifeform;received block 0000000000000000123a 1203856;1437095795;asciilifeform;REORGANIZE 1203857;1437095797;asciilifeform;l0l 1203858;1437095838;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/295882 1203859;1437095839;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBU4AC ) 1203860;1437095844;BingoBoingo;OH SHIT REORG 1203861;1437095894;asciilifeform;eh, sop 1203862;1437095922;asciilifeform;just lulzy to see it when i randomly chanced to look at the latest crud scrolling by. 1203863;1437095954;asciilifeform;sorta like phosphenes 1203864;1437095979;asciilifeform;normally those happen once in a blue moon, largely for entirely harmless reasons, but, 1203865;1437095991;asciilifeform;when one is being irradiated to death, sees quite a few of'em 1203866;1437095995;asciilifeform;(or so i was told) 1203867;1437096045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162500 @ 0.00052823 = 85.8374 BTC [-] 1203868;1437096108;BingoBoingo;This is indeed an irradiating time 1203869;1437096294;BingoBoingo;!up TheRealJohnGalt 1203870;1437096504;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.04003,-80.595088,3a,75y,3.38h,89.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1supX6Yd_ND2dyvMRDvs96Yw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x88de12494bab5cdb:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1?hl=en << usg miner 1203871;1437096505;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zkGj ) 1203872;1437096623;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's a big dish 1203873;1437096782;asciilifeform;http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-206-397-1975/4#p633425372283376590 << also lulzy rumour turd re: 'telco 214' 1203874;1437096783;assbot;Getting calls from 206-397-1975? 4/9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zJZr ) 1203875;1437097091;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever write a piece about bernie cornfeld (1927-1995) ? 1203876;1437097092;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1203877;1437097398;decimation;what does this 'reorg' business imply 1203878;1437097430;asciilifeform;forklet 1203879;1437097633;asciilifeform;more lulz, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471&aggregateId=domp-p97000056647-66b1a73f-30ca-492d-9daf-a39cf89e72cb&searchTerm=Telco%20214%20Us%2C%20Inc.&listNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471 1203880;1437097634;assbot;Detail by Entity Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ANwq ) 1203881;1437097639;asciilifeform;and in particular, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/ConvertTiffToPDF?storagePath=COR1%5C2003%5C0421%5C80916068.Tif&documentNumber=P97000056647 1203882;1437097642;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3AOjK ) 1203883;1437097682;asciilifeform;amendment. change name from 'IBSA, US, Inc' to 'Telco 214 US, Inc'. March 13, '03 1203884;1437097743;asciilifeform;neither had any detectable public presence. 1203885;1437097753;asciilifeform;(other than the earlier link) 1203886;1437097806;decimation;asciilifeform: what do these companies do? 1203887;1437097810;asciilifeform;reminiscent of nothing more than the faux airlines used by cia 1203888;1437097846;asciilifeform;decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash. 1203889;1437097853;decimation;lulz 1203890;1437097874;asciilifeform;(why not parcel it through sp4mz0rpr0x13z!!111 like everybody else? damned if i know) 1203891;1437098023;mats;heh, how did you come upon this? 1203892;1437098025;decimation;https://www.google.com/maps/place/2571+Kirby+Cir+NE,+Palm+Bay,+FL+32905 < check out their 'principle place of business' listed in their annual report 1203893;1437098026;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kaa5AY ) 1203894;1437098043;asciilifeform;mats: sheer accident 1203895;1437098057;asciilifeform;decimation: linked earlier 1203896;1437098061;decimation;massive satellite dishes, multiple 1203897;1437098189;decimation;biggest one is 12m according to google earth 1203898;1437098210;asciilifeform;http://whomined.com/#miner/37 1203899;1437098245;*;asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this survey, but it is not uninteresting 1203900;1437098357;asciilifeform;http://cpsociety.org/thomas-ndomb << lulzy. the one other public mention of 'telco 214' i've found so far. 1203901;1437098359;assbot;Thomas Ndomb « Cameroon Professional Society (CPS) Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaaNhq ) 1203902;1437098461;asciilifeform;https://openvpn.net/index.php/about-menu/advisory-board.html << and. 1203903;1437098463;assbot;Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab2cj ) 1203904;1437098475;mats;http://defcon.ws luls 1203905;1437098476;assbot;DEF CON Cancellation: An Open Letter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab5oK ) 1203906;1437098488;decimation;lemme see if I can figure out which satellite the minor dishes are pointed at 1203907;1437098489;asciilifeform;'Mr. Haba was Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Telco 214, an emerging leader in the international voice market that was successful in winning large market share from AT&T, MCI and Sprint. Mr. Haba began his career at Symetrics Industries, a publicly traded defense communications and computer telephony integrator....' 1203908;1437098498;asciilifeform;^ the fl gov paperwork mentions haba 1203909;1437098506;asciilifeform;he was one of the two founding partners. 1203910;1437098530;mats;"I believe that we are in a post-hacker world ... We should strive to be professionals, making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists. This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others" 1203911;1437098556;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1203912;1437098561;asciilifeform;Had Problemz!! 1203913;1437098575;asciilifeform;'Professionals have professional credentials. If you want to participate in the security industry, you should obtain the appropriate certifications. ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications. ' 1203914;1437098591;asciilifeform;'I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately 1203915;1437098591;asciilifeform;, I can't reveal the details to support this statement but, knowing my honestly and character, you'll have to take me at my word. ' 1203916;1437098593;asciilifeform;trol0l0l0l 1203917;1437098596;mats;DEFCON is not canceled, this is satire, for any casual observers 1203918;1437098604;asciilifeform;took me 30 sec or so 1203919;1437098630;asciilifeform;my first hypothesis was 'fella got truecrypted' 1203920;1437098721;decimation;asciilifeform: the northern two dishes appear to be pointed toward a heading of 107 degrees (true) 1203921;1437098727;decimation;that would line them up with Intelsat 905 1203922;1437098737;asciilifeform;l0l! 1203923;1437098744;asciilifeform;!b 3 1203924;1437098745;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KZ6Y7E.txt ) 1203925;1437098759;decimation;it's easier than you would think to figure this out http://www.dishpointer.com/ 1203926;1437098760;assbot;Satellite Finder / Dish Alignment Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KabFTs ) 1203927;1437098771;decimation;could also be SES-4 1203928;1437098779;asciilifeform;it is not difficult, where i come from it was done with paper and pen 1203929;1437098788;decimation;unfortunately the 12 meter dish is pointing up (probably 'safed') so I can't determine its bearing 1203930;1437098790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00054878 = 28.5914 BTC [+] {2} 1203931;1437098794;asciilifeform;not like you can hide a four-tonne tub of shit in orbit 1203932;1437098875;decimation;at any rate here's its orbital footprint http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/footprints/Intelsat-905-Global.html 1203933;1437098876;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KabY0k ) 1203934;1437098912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43414 @ 0.00055299 = 24.0075 BTC [+] {2} 1203935;1437098921;asciilifeform;consistent with 'spam phones for africa' 1203936;1437098927;decimation;it has spot beams that cover africa, europe - and here's its 'public transponder listing' http://www.lyngsat.com/Intelsat-905.html 1203937;1437098928;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3CzgW ) 1203938;1437098932;asciilifeform;(the nominal business profile, to the extent one is known) 1203939;1437099075;decimation;http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020605.html "Each of the new Intelsat IX series satellites carries 76 C-band and 22 Ku-band operating transponders (in 36 MHz equivalents), and its solar arrays will generate more than 8.6 kilowatts of power (beginning of life)." 1203940;1437099076;assbot;LORAL-BUILT INTELSAT 905 TELECOMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE SUCCESSFULLY LAUNCHED ... ( http://bit.ly/1KacmMu ) 1203941;1437099085;decimation;plenty of bandwidth for an african isp 1203942;1437099109;asciilifeform;sounds like they're speaking of analogue bandwidth, to be fair 1203943;1437099115;decimation;yes, of course 1203944;1437099188;decimation;but they typically use 8 or 4 psk in those analog segments 1203945;1437099249;asciilifeform;from 'intelsat' www, it would appear that they serve nigerian sp4mz0r and homeland severity alike 1203946;1437099319;decimation;the lyngsat page says that at least two of the 30 MHz transponders are dedicated to AOL 1203947;1437099378;decimation;employing "ACM" which apparently switches between 4psk and 16 qam, which would allow a gross throughput of approx 60-120 megabit/sec 1203948;1437099388;decimation;per 30 mhz channel 1203949;1437099474;decimation;now, if these folks are running miners, the question is 'why over sat link' 1203950;1437099490;asciilifeform;https://ipinfo.io/AS35863 1203951;1437099490;assbot;AS35863 Telco 214, Inc. - ipinfo.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3DgqG ) 1203952;1437099496;asciilifeform;and who said it was over satlink 1203953;1437099517;decimation;well, that office doesn't look like a very big data center 1203954;1437099536;decimation;also, did you note the military looking vehicles in their parking lot? 1203955;1437099611;asciilifeform;i only see ordinary cars 1203956;1437099648;asciilifeform;4 of'em 1203957;1437099669;asciilifeform;(google 'street' dated april '11) 1203958;1437099711;decimation;no, look in the back of the lot 1203959;1437099718;decimation;you can see on streeview from the east side 1203960;1437099742;asciilifeform;link? 1203961;1437099751;decimation;I donno if you can link streetview 1203962;1437099756;asciilifeform;sure you can 1203963;1437099860;decimation;https://www.google.com/maps/@28.04002,-80.594633,3a,15y,350.65h,88.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szEyWP8_Z1sLrfJUNbmMH6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 1203964;1437099860;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kae1l2 ) 1203965;1437099914;asciilifeform;l0l aha 1203966;1437099949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35512 @ 0.00055305 = 19.6399 BTC [+] 1203967;1437100107;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.0411393,-80.5949096,217m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1 1203968;1437100108;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaezY6 ) 1203969;1437100121;asciilifeform;entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. 1203970;1437100140;decimation;yeah, that's my first guess too 1203971;1437100145;decimation;an odd business anyway 1203972;1437100156;decimation;it's odd they have such a massive dish too 1203973;1437100168;asciilifeform;i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it 1203974;1437100194;decimation;it's possible they use the massive dish to hit geo stuff that's very low on the horizon 1203975;1437100207;decimation;but that dish would cost a couple $ mil easy 1203976;1437100283;decimation;one wild theory: this isp and its hangers-on are 'owned' by some tinpot dictator in africa 1203977;1437100294;decimation;who also has access to 'free' electricity - which he uses to mine 1203978;1437100367;decimation;nigeria, for example, is drowning in cheap crude oil - could be 'diverted' to power someone's bitcoin mining operation 1203979;1437100378;decimation;for what reason God only knows 1203980;1437100558;BingoBoingo; entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. << I remember in the old Tom Clancy novels his various supposed NatSec agencies being funded by "spamzors" and their financial equivalent. 1203981;1437100563;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not afaik. 1203982;1437100595;BingoBoingo; i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it << Truck like that keeps itself 1203983;1437100613;decimation;??? how 1203984;1437100808;BingoBoingo;decimation: How does truck keep self? 1203985;1437100845;decimation;yeah? rusts, burns oil 1203986;1437100868;mircea_popescu;crude oil is not realy useful to power an electric plant. 1203987;1437100925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144950 @ 0.00054623 = 79.176 BTC [-] {4} 1203988;1437100930;decimation;sure, if you don't give a shit about nasty emissions 1203989;1437100959;mircea_popescu;nah. gotta appreciate, power plants are products of industry like anything else 1203990;1437100971;mircea_popescu;plenty of models made to run onm the heavy stuff left after gas distillation 1203991;1437100980;mircea_popescu;none of them run on crude, not since 1880 at any rate. 1203992;1437100996;mircea_popescu;putting gasoline in a diesel engine is not unlike putting crude oil in a tar or coal plant. 1203993;1437101011;mircea_popescu;and obv the naturasl gas models won't burn it 1203994;1437101023;BingoBoingo;decimation: I was more thinking about how such vehicles create space for themselves. 1203995;1437101187;decimation;mircea_popescu: ships, big power plants run on heavy fuel oil 1203996;1437101205;BingoBoingo;Sure, but heavy oil is not crude 1203997;1437101365;decimation;www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/ < they literally refine it in jungle conditions 1203998;1437101366;TomServo;In other news, I noticed this blurb on the OpenBSD octeon page today: "In June 2015 USB support was added which finally allowed installing to local disk on machines lacking a CF slot." 1203999;1437101381;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Cool 1204000;1437101390;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-07-2015#1195719 1204001;1437101390;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2015 21:57:04; decimation: https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future 1204002;1437101400;TomServo;The docs don't exactly reflect it, but I can confirm the snapshot of 5.8 does see and boot from usb. 1204003;1437101416;decimation;TomServo: did you install directly onto usb? 1204004;1437101421;BingoBoingo;Nice, made it in before 5.8 hit Beta this week 1204005;1437101428;decimation;or did you write image from another computer? 1204006;1437101443;TomServo;Booted via tftp, installed from there 1204007;1437101452;decimation;ah, thanks for the good report 1204008;1437101463;TomServo;np 1204009;1437101479;TomServo;excited to have just gotten my first console on the edgerouter 1204010;1437101535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70789 @ 0.00055363 = 39.1909 BTC [+] {2} 1204011;1437101706;decimation;so the 5.8 release will probably be in the autumn sometime? 1204012;1437101719;decimation;http://www.utahrails.net/up/bunker-c.php < interesting discussion on bunker-c fuel oil 1204013;1437101720;assbot;Union Pacific, Bunker 'C' ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkAA2 ) 1204014;1437101727;TomServo;November, if I recall correctly. 1204015;1437101739;decimation;"Most oil-fired steam locomotives used Bunker C, although in some parts of the country they actually burned raw crude oil. As noted before, Bunker C was readily available and dirt cheap. (Steve Lee, April 18, 2000, via email to The Streamliner discussion group)" 1204016;1437101814;BingoBoingo;decimation: November 1204017;1437101823;decimation;https://powergen.gepower.com/plan-build/products/gas-turbines/9e-03-gas-turbine.html < would burn in something like this 1204018;1437101825;assbot;9E.03 / 9E.04 Gas Turbine (50 Hz) | GE Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkVTo ) 1204019;1437101834;BingoBoingo;decimation: Point releases happen in May and November on the first 1204020;1437101852;decimation;BingoBoingo: ah thanks 1204021;1437101902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44551 @ 0.00055454 = 24.7053 BTC [+] {2} 1204022;1437102235;mircea_popescu;there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps 1204023;1437102242;mircea_popescu;because who the fuck else would not know what fuel he wants to burn 1204024;1437102250;mircea_popescu;in any case the generality comes at an efficiency cost. 1204025;1437102289;decimation;well, a turbine can burn anything. but it's true that if you are burning raw crude it will foul your turbine and require much more maintenance 1204026;1437102313;decimation;because of all the solvents and other shit in the oil 1204027;1437102381;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_GTELs < us railroads used to run these right through the middle of the countryside, belching foul shit 1204028;1437102382;assbot;Union Pacific GTELs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOmIro ) 1204029;1437102409;BingoBoingo;They still run through the middle of my countryside, still belch foul shit 1204030;1437102424;decimation;yeah but probably all diesel now 1204031;1437102616;decimation;it seems the real problem with burning crude or heavy fuel oil is that if you have enough civilization to refine the oil, you can make it into much more profitable products 1204032;1437102649;decimation;the net effect being that the amount of 'heavy fuel' (bunker b and c) has shrunk compared to old process - making it more expensive than just using diesel 1204033;1437102669;decimation;this isn't really true in areas that have no advanced refining available 1204034;1437102757;mircea_popescu;soo... imo musk's electric car has failed to reach the sort of growth patterns and penetration goals it needed to survive. it therefore peaked sometime last year, and it will go the same way all the numerous attempts at an electric car since the 20s have went. 1204035;1437102765;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna enter into a tesla stock swap with me / 1204036;1437102766;mircea_popescu;? 1204037;1437102770;decimation;lul 1204038;1437102784;decimation;you should make a F.DERP for it? 1204039;1437102845;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204022 << the ultimate such is said to be... 'abrams' tank. 1204040;1437102845;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 03:03:55; mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps 1204041;1437102869;asciilifeform;which burns, iirc, ten litres, just to start 1204042;1437102905;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, but could probably run on 'jungle oil' if it isn't solidified 1204043;1437102923;mircea_popescu;there is good reason to build a universal engine into a tank intended for 1950s style attreition war. 1204044;1437103029;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Union_Pacific_first_generation_GTEL_locomotive_1953.JPG << electric car, ftr. 1204045;1437103030;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOop8j ) 1204046;1437103033;mircea_popescu;1923 Detroit Electric. 1204047;1437103070;asciilifeform;late in the game, too 1204048;1437103083;asciilifeform;height of electromobile was 1890s 1204049;1437103091;mircea_popescu;(exactly the hipster car of today, incdentally. marketed to women and doctors, had curved glass panes, etc) 1204050;1437103096;decimation;honestly elon musk strikes me as a highbrow scammer 1204051;1437103116;decimation;he's figured out how to sell 'dreams' in exchange for usg subsidy and hype 1204052;1437103155;mircea_popescu;this is the case of all us "entrepreneurs" active today. 1204053;1437103177;mircea_popescu;what's mark cuban ? 1204054;1437103180;decimation;to be fair, he does deliver products - rockets, cars, etc 1204055;1437103182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: musk is different in the sense of not running the usual 'populist' chumpatron 1204056;1437103183;mircea_popescu;scammed yahoo out of a billion, once 1204057;1437103192;mircea_popescu;made 100 different decisions since, 100 of which were wrong. 1204058;1437103197;decimation;but the economic prospects appear highly dubious 1204059;1437103206;mircea_popescu;a man batting < 1% is certainly not possessed of a clue in the field. 1204060;1437103218;asciilifeform;yet he sleeps ad libitum. 1204061;1437103226;mircea_popescu;all idiots sleep well. 1204062;1437103230;mircea_popescu;that's the mark of idiocy. 1204063;1437103231;asciilifeform;sorta the converse of the usual 'if yer so smart, why aitcha rich' line 1204064;1437103249;asciilifeform;'if he's such a moron, why does he sleep ad libitum and has no fear of having to do honest wurk' 1204065;1437103274;asciilifeform;ditto branson 1204066;1437103282;mircea_popescu;lol branson, another fine example. 1204067;1437103291;mircea_popescu;he's the business world equivalent of a russian prison whore. 1204068;1437103298;mircea_popescu;every cock was in his asshole. 1204069;1437103329;asciilifeform;yet no matter what these folks do, they never seem to end up begging for change 1204070;1437103334;asciilifeform;or washing cars 1204071;1437103349;asciilifeform;'wouldn't do', to have royalty besmirched thus 1204072;1437103560;mircea_popescu;msot of them do, yes. 1204073;1437103594;mircea_popescu;the substantial difference between the subset here named and the rest of the set consisting of various reddit experts and your spamming friend has nothing to do with them 1204074;1437103613;asciilifeform;re: oils: was very surprised to discover english (!) piece, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazut 1204075;1437103614;assbot;Mazut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTrt98 ) 1204076;1437103618;mircea_popescu;some earthworms find incredible caches of forgotten artefacts. doth not qualify them as archeologists. 1204077;1437103663;mats;tesla doesn't sell electric cars 1204078;1437103680;mats;they sell batteries and infrastructure 1204079;1437103681;mircea_popescu;romania has a bunch of these "intreprinzatori de carton", ie, cardboard entrepreneurs. one notable case (currently in jail) got to keep ~2bn worth of romanian govt money in 1989, on condition of supporting his friends. 1204080;1437103693;mircea_popescu;kept getting 3-500mn/year after that 1204081;1437103703;mircea_popescu;never actually supported anyone worth a squat and is now ~broke 1204082;1437103717;decimation;mats: ?? they have dealer rooms? 1204083;1437103731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005594 = 23.9144 BTC [+] {2} 1204084;1437103748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are sop in the orc world, ru being perhaps the absolute epicentre. but in usa they are especially lulzy on account of the elaborate presences of 'doing business' 1204085;1437103748;mats;that was hyperbolic but you see my point yes? 1204086;1437103762;mircea_popescu;mats the offer stands, you know. 1204087;1437103774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just as ellaborate on the other side. 1204088;1437103776;mats;hey, didn't say i'd bet against you 1204089;1437103785;mircea_popescu;catering to different expecations, yes, but anyway 1204090;1437103794;mats;they are massively overvalued right now and i would not be interested in taking the other side 1204091;1437103799;mircea_popescu;aha. 1204092;1437103819;mats;decimation: http://www.cnet.com/news/teslas-elon-musk-introduces-beautiful-money-saving-home-battery-back-up-system etc 1204093;1437103820;assbot;Tesla's Elon Musk introduces 'beautiful' money-saving home battery backup system - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTs0I1 ) 1204094;1437103836;decimation;yes, note that this battery system costs many times more than lead-acid 1204095;1437103866;decimation;thus appealing to the kinds of people who want to store electricity but don't care about how much things cost 1204096;1437103888;trinque;I've seen a great many Solar City fliers around, speaking of Musk. 1204097;1437103891;trinque;(in Portland) 1204098;1437103902;trinque;hilariously, these would be useless during the rainy season 1204099;1437103906;asciilifeform;decimation: who 'doesn't care what it costs' - uses pumped hydro 1204100;1437103909;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes they produce cars, and the model s sold a whopping... 75k units 1204101;1437103914;decimation;trinque: they also rely heavily on subsidy 1204102;1437103920;mircea_popescu;that's exactly detroit electric volume touched up for the intervening century. 1204103;1437103921;trinque;decimation: certainly, and loose financing 1204104;1437103942;mats;asciilifeform: yes, and all usable sources have already been dammed 1204105;1437103951;asciilifeform;mats: ~pumped~ 1204106;1437103959;asciilifeform;as in, gigantic bottles. 1204107;1437103961;mircea_popescu;in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. 1204108;1437103969;asciilifeform;mats: energy storage. 1204109;1437103970;mats;oh, right. up and down hills and mountains. 1204110;1437103979;mats;i forgot how efficient it is 1204111;1437103986;asciilifeform;beats li ion 1204112;1437103999;asciilifeform;and the water - doesn't wear out after 200 cycles 1204113;1437104000;decimation;yeah, as in pumping to high lake and draining when needed, like this plant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station 1204114;1437104000;assbot;Dinorwig Power Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTskGR ) 1204115;1437104073;mats;fuck, people are still setting off fireworks in my area 1204116;1437104079;asciilifeform;usg actually had (has?) some chick leading a crackpot mains current to hydrocarbon (yes, electrolysis + oddball catalysts) mega-wunderwaffen dept. in the navy 1204117;1437104100;asciilifeform;no idea if it ever came up with a working nuke-to-petrol magic box. 1204118;1437104104;decimation;asciilifeform: whatever for? 1204119;1437104106;decimation;lol 1204120;1437104126;decimation;if you wanna waste electricity like that, might as well just split water and use hydrogen 1204121;1437104127;asciilifeform;fueling up jets from seawater + nuke plant, was the notion. 1204122;1437104136;asciilifeform;can't do worth shit with h2 1204123;1437104144;asciilifeform;certainly not in a jet 1204124;1437104155;decimation;yeah at least not in any existing ones 1204125;1437104158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.0005649 = 14.9134 BTC [+] 1204126;1437104162;asciilifeform;anything involving gaseous h2 is the archetypical 'assembly line for ph.d.' 1204127;1437104168;asciilifeform;ever seen a hose for liquid h ? 1204128;1437104175;decimation;heh I've seen pictures 1204129;1437104186;mats;any idea what fuels modern jets? certainly not jp-9 anymore? 1204130;1437104192;mircea_popescu;just about. 1204131;1437104205;asciilifeform;iirc same thing everyone else burns 1204132;1437104212;decimation;kerosene, more or less 1204133;1437104214;mircea_popescu;iirc the "ethanol jet" thing got canned 1204134;1437104215;asciilifeform;jp-a 1204135;1437104280;mats;>A kerosene-based fuel, JP-8 is projected to remain in use at least until 2025. It was first introduced at NATO bases in 1978. Its NATO code is F-34. 1204136;1437104301;mats;how about that. late 70s tech still keeping the lights on. 1204137;1437104317;decimation;sure, turbine burns kerosene just fine 1204138;1437104322;asciilifeform;fuels haven't really changed (for the better) in a century. 1204139;1437104341;decimation;you could also burn 'heavy fuel oil' in theory, but that's not a terribly great idea in a high reliablity application 1204140;1437104342;asciilifeform;(for worse? sure! where i live, what comes out of the filling station is 10% ethanol ~by law~) 1204141;1437104363;decimation;but the abrams tank would burn jp-8 just fine 1204142;1437104376;asciilifeform;it will burn restaurant grease 1204143;1437104379;asciilifeform;by some accounts 1204144;1437104391;decimation;yeah, probably anything that will run through the pumps 1204145;1437104465;BingoBoingo;Conde Nast & Obama https://archive.is/XLc4K 1204146;1437104466;assbot;Condé Nast's CFO Tried To Pay $2,500 for a Night With a Gay Porn Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOs1qT ) 1204147;1437104520;BingoBoingo; in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds 1204148;1437104646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005649 = 5.2536 BTC [+] 1204149;1437104680;mircea_popescu;something liek that 1204150;1437104703;mircea_popescu;the alternative was also unpalatable tho. you don't want to engage in a bidding war with the dying gm/ford thing for their lasty remaining shred of relevancy 1204151;1437104706;mircea_popescu;you'll end up overpaying. 1204152;1437104707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00054734 = 27.2302 BTC [-] 1204153;1437104732;mircea_popescu;in any case, as a fun tidbit : the 2010 tesla ipo, first us carmaker ipo since ww2, came to half the recently reported plenty of fish sale 1204154;1437104735;asciilifeform;thing is, gm/ford vs tesla is a 'best horse in the glue factory' contest 1204155;1437104746;asciilifeform;american automobility has a very short life expectancy as a going concern 1204156;1437104766;mircea_popescu;(plenty of fish being the 5th or so dating site sold in a decade, which "Dating site" is the twelfth or so wheel on the social media band wagon) 1204157;1437104772;decimation;the only american autos that 'actual people' buy are trunks 1204158;1437104773;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform precisely. 1204159;1437104775;decimation;trucks 1204160;1437104831;mircea_popescu; but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ << intellectual authority is a very simple thing in capitalism. see it at work in how the "blockchain size increase" was tranched : once someone says "this is how much it costs", the derps willing to talk were separated from the people willing to pay. 1204161;1437104849;mircea_popescu;on a tinier scale, just happened above re tesla, too. 1204162;1437104872;decimation;yeah, but what market? the 950/1000 block rule? 1204163;1437104877;mircea_popescu;in the end, it reduces to "does he have the intellectual authority to bluff". well... do you have the intellectual authority to call it ? 1204164;1437104897;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstood, your implication in earlier thread was that satoshi (in the person of his key) could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have such carry weight on account of him being the famous satoshi 1204165;1437104900;mircea_popescu;decimation i mean the original, end of 2014/2015 dispute, about "herp derp we'll raise the block limit" 1204166;1437104906;decimation;ah yes 1204167;1437104909;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you misunderstood. 1204168;1437104945;mircea_popescu;satoshi could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have everyone (everyone that matters, ie, with money!) presented with the dilemma : do they buy up the stash ? or do they move on to the strange ? 1204169;1437104953;mircea_popescu;this is the only legitimate way to resolve disputes. 1204170;1437104962;mircea_popescu;if his strange sucks, he has nothing to stand on. 1204171;1437104974;mircea_popescu;if his strange does not suck, you can keep talking about its strangeness all you want. 1204172;1437104987;asciilifeform;but suppose that it is something quite like bitcoin circa '09. 1204173;1437104988;trinque;it would be an incredible thing if the man has the keys and has shown this much restraint 1204174;1437104998;asciilifeform;which did not suck (at least mathematically) in any particularly discernible way 1204175;1437105001;mircea_popescu;trinque not that incredible. 1204176;1437105011;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all i can say is i'd consider it fully. 1204177;1437105022;mircea_popescu;otherwise, not even the us supreme court rules without a case. 1204178;1437105026;asciilifeform;'does not suck' today, i dare say, is a higher bar than in '09, when there was no bitcoin 1204179;1437105031;mircea_popescu;surely. 1204180;1437105032;asciilifeform;and no $maxint pumped into the storage battery 1204181;1437105037;mircea_popescu;on that point can there be no debate 1204182;1437105044;mircea_popescu;but 5bn is NO SORT OF MAXINT 1204183;1437105051;asciilifeform;^ point 1204184;1437105051;mircea_popescu;it's a minint in this game. 1204185;1437105058;decimation;^ yes, bitcoin is still peanuts 1204186;1437105063;asciilifeform;esp. given as it is denominated in zimbabwean unit 1204187;1437105063;decimation;which satoshi realizes, of course 1204188;1437105093;asciilifeform;(i.e. there are probably not 5bn 'turkey-buying-capable' dollars on planet) 1204189;1437105148;mircea_popescu;complicated matters. 1204190;1437105166;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm off. cheerios. 1204191;1437105256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66391 @ 0.00054213 = 35.9926 BTC [-] {3} 1204192;1437105515;*;asciilifeform had a thought: possibly, if satoshi's stash were ~larger~ than it is, he could be considered 'beyond reproach' if he were to surface and propose a fork, on the logic that he could not stand to gain from any deception. but it still would not rule out usgification, or simple error. 1204193;1437105599;asciilifeform;at the risk of beating the record of mircea_popescu's pessimism on the subject of 'future bitcoin': i currently suspect that protocol change might be the proverbial 'stone so heavy, god cannot lift' 1204194;1437105733;asciilifeform;not because it is impossible to devise improved mechanisms - but on account of the 'pascal's wager' involved 1204195;1437105738;trinque;him staying silent during things like the blocksize "debate" speaks volumes imo 1204196;1437105771;mats;or perhaps he reads the logs. 1204197;1437105774;trinque;dunno how someone who was paranoid enough to never speak his own name would allow gavin and company to crawl all over his greatest work 1204198;1437105778;mats;howssat for a political coup 1204199;1437105781;asciilifeform;or was long found, and silenced. 1204200;1437105807;trinque;or he could be *that* principled and I could be a crass moron 1204201;1437105809;trinque;who knows 1204202;1437105823;trinque;"they can have it if they do not break it" 1204203;1437105829;mats;though on last check he seemed to be more likely to be aligned with gavin (bitcoin for the people, etc) 1204204;1437105830;asciilifeform;fella runs winblowz 1204205;1437105843;trinque;too bad if so 1204206;1437105853;asciilifeform;usg could find him inside an hour by, e.g., issuing an xp 'update' 1204207;1437105866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56561 @ 0.00053548 = 30.2873 BTC [-] {3} 1204208;1437105876;trinque;yeah, I have to say I find him having been found as the most likely 1204209;1437105913;asciilifeform;if this - then we can conclude that he had the backbone to pull the pin 1204210;1437105950;asciilifeform;(and if not, we will likely learn about it soon enough) 1204211;1437106007;trinque;if he is the VS/winderz derp, how is it that he generated unbreakable keys? 1204212;1437106017;trinque;fuck knows I don't know how to approach it if he did 1204213;1437106022;asciilifeform;trinque: go, break the other winblowz schmucks' keys 1204214;1437106023;trinque;but *someone* ? 1204215;1437106038;trinque;if one guy at the NSA is the only one who can... 1204216;1437106042;*;trinque shrugs 1204217;1437106055;trinque;what I'm saying is that runs contrary to the derp theory 1204218;1437106084;asciilifeform;trinque: i won't comment on meta-nsa, but classic nsa works on statistical aggregates rather than individuals - at least when dealing with mass collections rather than targeted shots 1204219;1437106103;asciilifeform;no one 'has all keys' 1204220;1437106106;trinque;yeah 1204221;1437106144;trinque;I read all day about how intel's backdoored, mobo's backdoored, so on so on 1204222;1437106147;trinque;and yet his keys are safe 1204223;1437106157;trinque;or at least would appear to be 1204224;1437106171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9135 @ 0.00055481 = 5.0682 BTC [+] 1204225;1437106208;trinque;I suppose he could be the windows derp and still know to at least use a separate airgapped box for the keys 1204226;1437106223;asciilifeform;again the 'all keys' thing 1204227;1437106227;asciilifeform;not how it works 1204228;1437106247;asciilifeform;mr s was not yet famous and hated in '09 1204229;1437106284;trinque;I was not around for the early days 1204230;1437106290;asciilifeform;not necessary 1204231;1437106321;trinque;but I take your point; there wouldn't have been reason to target someone like him until doing so wouldn't have mattered 1204232;1437106325;asciilifeform;but must understand, the more exotic the diddle, the more of a (to borrow mircea_popescu's term) 'glass cannon' 1204233;1437106338;trinque;mhm, fire once 1204234;1437106341;asciilifeform;picture if i am sitting here and i see it 1204235;1437106363;asciilifeform;(and chances are, i will, l0l) 1204236;1437106368;asciilifeform;spent. 1204237;1437106439;asciilifeform;one may speculate all day re: the particulars of usg 'glass artillery', but it suffices to say that such is not fired at a crowd 1204238;1437106516;asciilifeform;(there is a kind of 'valley' in between the ordinary weaponry and the 'glass' - e.g., tor diddles which would 'expire' immediately if publicly revealed, but are good for plenty of 'parallel construction' meanwhile, etc.) 1204239;1437106562;trinque;right, say there's a decent way to do factoring. I think I pulled that one from your blog 1204240;1437106571;asciilifeform;but the point i was trying to make is that your cpu is not transmitting to the proverbial black helicopter 24/7 1204241;1437106579;trinque;certainly 1204242;1437106597;asciilifeform;trinque: aha. archetypical 'glass cannon.' 1204243;1437106683;trinque;put plainly, watching phuctor phuck, I'd thought that there surely must be some way of doing the same thing on badly generated bitcoin addresses 1204244;1437106702;asciilifeform;trinque: this was done. for 'android' wallet of one kind or another 1204245;1437106708;asciilifeform;re-used 'k' 1204246;1437106713;trinque;ah 1204247;1437106719;asciilifeform;fella walked with a good bit of coin 1204248;1437106720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00056534 = 45.6229 BTC [+] {2} 1204249;1437106911;mats;http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/16/egyptian-navy-vessel-ablaze-after-catching-fire-while-docked-off-sinai-northern 1204250;1437106912;assbot;ISIS says it destroyed Egyptian ship with rocket | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxqvU2 ) 1204251;1437106949;mats;https://ent.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/is-sinai-province-claims-destroying-egyptian-frigate-in-mediterranean.html source 1204252;1437106950;assbot;IS’ Sinai Province Claims Destroying Egyptian Frigate in Mediterranean | Jihadist News | Articles ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mxqyzj ) 1204253;1437106977;mats;http://imgur.com/a/W9mQt stills 1204254;1437106978;assbot;Sinai Islamic State attack on Egyptian Navy Ship, Rafah - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxqCis ) 1204255;1437107082;asciilifeform;notbad.jpg 1204256;1437107147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00057055 = 16.8312 BTC [+] {2} 1204257;1437107201;asciilifeform;http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/10/first-slaying-on-dc-metro-in-its-40-year-history-witnesses-watched-but-didnt << linked from same 1204258;1437107203;assbot;First slaying on DC Metro in its 40-year history: Witnesses watched but didn't intervene | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoMFsX ) 1204259;1437107231;mats;matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO 1204260;1437107283;decimation;well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile 1204261;1437107571;mats;iirc older .ru ATGMs have a range of ~5km 1204262;1437107610;asciilifeform;i'd be quite surprised if anyone has ever hit a boat-sized target with these from even 1km 1204263;1437107638;mats;easy enough to maneuver a series of boats into range if not firing from the coast 1204264;1437107768;decimation;asciilifeform: where did that stabbing take place? 1204265;1437107810;asciilifeform;claims - in a train 1204266;1437107811;mats;http://cembu.ru/view-video/O3bVUyJKxpk/compilation-of-over-100-atgm-shots-in-syria.html 1204267;1437107815;assbot;Download Video Compilation of Over 100 ATGM Shots In Syria (36min 40sec) in 3GP, MP4, FLV and WEBM Format - Cembu.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxrwLX ) 1204268;1437107815;asciilifeform;but does not say where the train was 1204269;1437107848;decimation;ah, apparently wapo reported in their 'metro' section http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/02/04/stabbing-reported-on-metro-train-at-federal-center-sw/ 1204270;1437107849;assbot;Stabbing reported on Metro train at Federal Center SW - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxrAeO ) 1204271;1437107854;decimation;it apparently happened at l'enfant 1204272;1437107876;mats;hard to tell but many of those targets look well over 3km 1204273;1437107917;asciilifeform;mats: neato 1204274;1437108010;decimation;"Police and a witness interviewed said passengers trapped in the moving train huddled at both ends of the car and watched in horror as Spires punched 24-year-old Kevin Joseph Sutherland until he fell to the floor, then stabbed him until he was dead. Court documents say the victim was cut or stabbed 30 or 40 times, in the chest, abdomen, back, side and arms. " 1204275;1437108017;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html 1204276;1437108018;assbot;Horrified passengers witnessed brutal July 4 slaying aboard Metro car - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoOshS ) 1204277;1437108029;decimation;note: the victim was a skinny white guy 1204278;1437108063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00057436 = 13.6123 BTC [+] 1204279;1437108070;asciilifeform;it is interesting that anyone still bothers to steal phones 1204280;1437108100;mats;particularly dumb criminals, i suppose 1204281;1437108125;mats;iirc some folks finally convinced carriers to disable stolen phones? 1204282;1437108136;decimation;supposedly he was 'high' on 'synthetic marijuana' 1204283;1437108154;mats;lol, 'spice' (research chemicals)? 1204284;1437108250;decimation;http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/metro-stabbing-unleashes-debate-should-passengers-have-helped-victim/ "Friends say Sutherland, a Connecticut native, loved advocating for progressive causes." 1204285;1437108251;assbot;Metro stabbing unleashes debate: Should passengers have helped victim - WTOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoOSET ) 1204286;1437108301;*;asciilifeform was, somehow, labouring under the notion that murder was routine aboard dc metro. mainly by folks being pushed into the pit 1204287;1437108321;asciilifeform;and that it was for this reason that it was not a common nyooz item. 1204288;1437108333;decimation;asciilifeform: do you think metro could tell the difference between suicide and murder? 1204289;1437108334;asciilifeform;for all i know, the above is the actual fact. 1204290;1437108341;asciilifeform;decimation: why would they want to tell the difference. 1204291;1437108378;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe because it took place on a moving train 1204292;1437108390;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-investigate-homicide-at-parking-garage-of-wheaton-metro-stop/2015/07/15/9dc2fb6e-2ad8-11e5-a250-42bd812efc09_story.html < all kinds of murdering going on 1204293;1437108391;assbot;Police say two in custody after fatal shooting at Wheaton Metro station - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoPavn ) 1204294;1437108430;asciilifeform;decimation: orc-orc 1204295;1437108434;asciilifeform;hence not nyooz 1204296;1437108435;decimation;asciilifeform: no, it's not a common news item (the murdering) because of 'advocates of progressive causes' 1204297;1437108443;asciilifeform;orc-civvie - nyooz 1204298;1437108448;decimation;kinda 1204299;1437108458;decimation;civvie-orc - mega-ny00z 1204300;1437108460;asciilifeform;civvie-orc - national 'day of genuflection, r4c1sm5!!!!!' nyooz 1204301;1437108464;asciilifeform;aha 1204302;1437108524;trinque;some kid made the funny papers the other day in portland 1204303;1437108536;trinque;orc on orc I think it was 1204304;1437108598;trinque;http://www.wgme.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/portland-police-make-arrest-fatal-old-port-shooting-28284.shtml 1204305;1437108598;assbot;Portland police make an arrest in fatal Old Port shooting - WGME - Portland ME Top Stories - News, Sports, Weather, Traffic ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxsnfB ) 1204306;1437108631;trinque;this notion that "someone should've helped" is hilarious 1204307;1437108635;trinque;how? human shield? 1204308;1437108644;decimation;asciilifeform: have you noticed that yarvin's blog is gradually disappearing from google search results 1204309;1437108680;asciilifeform;aha 1204310;1437108718;asciilifeform;perhaps b-a pushed it out. 1204311;1437108738;asciilifeform;i can't seem to search for anything at all without turning up half a dozen b-a link turdz 1204312;1437108764;asciilifeform;irrespective of proxy or cookieless wwwtron 1204313;1437108777;asciilifeform;!up MoltenBosnia 1204314;1437108779;decimation;I know he wrote about the splc and the right wing route to power 1204315;1437108789;MoltenBosnia;hello 1204316;1437108793;decimation;asciilifeform: also I note his comments seem to have more weight than the text 1204317;1437108798;asciilifeform;who might you be, MoltenBosnia ? 1204318;1437108807;MoltenBosnia;I have otc rating just gotta get laptop with keys running. 1204319;1437108843;decimation;ah "In a world dominated by progressives, the fascist gate to power is closed, locked, welded shut, filled with a thousand tons of concrete, and surrounded by starving cave bears. Today's Apparat has entire departments who do nothing but guard this door, which no one but a few pathetic dorks will even think of approaching." 1204320;1437108870;decimation;^ why civvie-orc murdering is trumpeted 1204321;1437108893;asciilifeform;everybody with even a cursory familiarity with landscape of daily life in usa, knows this 1204322;1437108925;decimation;note that 'pathetic dork' seems to fit the description of that guy in charleston 1204323;1437108948;asciilifeform;see the 1,001 'where are the smart t3rr0r1stz!!11' threads. 1204324;1437108955;decimation;indeed. 1204325;1437108976;asciilifeform;the smart generals are in their armchairs. 1204326;1437109020;decimation;trinque: did you manage to make a copy of yarvin's blog? 1204327;1437109024;trinque;I did 1204328;1437109036;decimation;did you use that crawler deal? 1204329;1437109047;trinque;yeah, the one iirc punkman recommended 1204330;1437109049;trinque;worked fine 1204331;1437109057;asciilifeform;http://moldbuggery.blogspot.com << indexed mirror 1204332;1437109057;assbot;Moldbuggery ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoQw9C ) 1204333;1437109058;trinque;interface is a little goofy, but I got the files I wanted 1204334;1437109065;asciilifeform;^ also worth backing up 1204335;1437109071;asciilifeform;if you're into mr mold 1204336;1437109083;trinque;cool 1204337;1437109085;decimation;apparently now is the time to acquire a copy, before it disappears forever into google's memory hole 1204338;1437109093;decimation;for they surely do not wish to hold it 1204339;1437109101;trinque;decimation: I am taking that attitude towards every piece of valuable information I find. 1204340;1437109183;asciilifeform;wget -m 1204341;1437109208;decimation;does it snip the comments? 1204342;1437109220;asciilifeform;how would it. 1204343;1437109233;mats;hm, some of the missiles fired in that video appear to have traveled more than 5km based on ~30s flight time 1204344;1437109235;decimation;blogspot-specific shit 1204345;1437109246;mats;apparently isis has some of the spiffier, longer range ATGMs 1204346;1437109255;asciilifeform;donated by usg 1204347;1437109262;decimation;either them or modern ru 1204348;1437109272;asciilifeform;the latter charges 1204349;1437109275;asciilifeform;usg - free 1204350;1437109291;asciilifeform;wget of mr mold - 114MB, 16sec 1204351;1437109301;decimation;heh nice 1204352;1437109301;asciilifeform;notbad. 1204353;1437109354;trinque;asciilifeform: mind if I eat loper-os too? 1204354;1437109361;asciilifeform;trinque: eat, if you like 1204355;1437109371;*;asciilifeform surprised that anyone needs it for anything 1204356;1437109388;trinque;I am a student farther back on my lisp quest 1204357;1437109394;trinque;helpful perspectives on that 1204358;1437109395;asciilifeform;while we're on the subject, am i the only one somewhat dismayed that the one site that probably has no public backup is mircea_popescu's www ? 1204359;1437109439;asciilifeform;(we all know why. and i'm gonna guess that he doesn't give a damn, 'nobody needed the library of alexandria for anything') 1204360;1437109526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00057436 = 7.8687 BTC [+] 1204361;1437109550;decimation;ah, apparently the httrack widget creates an index as it copies 1204362;1437109580;decimation;yeah, and to make a mirror would be a bit costly 1204363;1437109648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00056712 = 44.8025 BTC [-] {2} 1204364;1437109658;trinque;the cost per credit is quite reasonable 1204365;1437109736;trinque;couldn't tell from the site itself precisely how many posts there are 1204366;1437109783;trinque;but I'd not archive it without permission 1204367;1437109802;trinque;since there is are explicit terms right there on the site for use 1204368;1437109870;trinque;*are 1204369;1437109896;decimation;lul http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/naacp-wants-removal-confederate-generals-stone-mou/nmyKH/ "The Atlanta chapter of the NAACP officially called for the elimination of all symbols of the Confederacy from Stone Mountain." 1204370;1437109898;assbot;NAACP wants removal of Confederate generals from Stone Mountain | www.wsbtv.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoSsyM ) 1204371;1437109930;decimation;for those who haven't seen it, it's a big rock cliff face with robert e lee, stonewall jackson, and jefferson davis 1204372;1437109958;trinque;decimation: sort of an unsettling development, "progress" not satisfied until history never even happened 1204373;1437109975;decimation;yes, as ascii says, the 'having been stolen from' will be stolen too 1204374;1437110200;trinque;I have been musing lately on the relationship between sovereignty, language/meaning creation, and delusional behavior such as this. 1204375;1437110220;trinque;as though if you trust a weapon such as sovereignty to the wrong people, you get this nonsense 1204376;1437110227;trinque;they blow their own heads off 1204377;1437110231;decimation;http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2900671-5 "Here, we demonstrate that the three-dimensional geometry of cortical surface is highly predictive of individuals’ genetic ancestry in West Africa, Europe, East Asia, and America, even though their genetic background has been shaped by multiple waves of migratory and admixture events." 1204378;1437110236;assbot;DEFINE_ME_WA ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoTkUc ) 1204379;1437110284;trinque;let me see if I can restate: the mechanism of modern american narcissism for example is precisely that the type of person walks around thinking they can simply declare things to be so, because they feel they ought to be 1204380;1437110290;decimation;trinque: yes, what is happening in the west is akin to self-immolation of some kind 1204381;1437110323;trinque;a leader does this same thing, but not as a sort of onanist 1204382;1437110331;trinque;he declares meaning for a larger group 1204383;1437110398;decimation;!up optimator 1204384;1437110415;decimation;a traveler from the cloud 1204385;1437110685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108062 @ 0.00054869 = 59.2925 BTC [-] {5} 1204386;1437111675;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204373 << iirc that was in a mircea_popescu piece 1204387;1437111675;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 05:12:55; decimation: yes, as ascii says, the 'having been stolen from' will be stolen too 1204388;1437111809;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/dcs-chinatown-has-only-300-chinese-americans-left--and-fighting-to-stay/2015/07/16/86d54e84-2191-11e5-bf41-c23f5d3face1_story.html 1204389;1437111810;assbot;D.C.’s Chinatown has only 300 Chinese Americans left, and they’re fighting to stay. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoXtYd ) 1204390;1437112005;asciilifeform;https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-del-ariana-kelly-arrested-for-indecent-exposure-trespassing/2015/07/14/06a29486-2a58-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html << linked, lulz 1204391;1437112007;assbot;Maryland Del. Ariana Kelly charged with indecent exposure, trespassing - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoXUSg ) 1204392;1437112027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84223 @ 0.00054524 = 45.9217 BTC [-] {2} 1204393;1437112196;mats;http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2015/071615-international-report-confirms-2014-was-earths-warmest-year-on-record.html 1204394;1437112197;assbot;International report confirms: 2014 was Earth’s warmest year on record ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoYmjm ) 1204395;1437112275;trinque;mats: at least in the case of the west antarctic glacier I read something interesting regarding the involvement of geologic activity 1204396;1437112358;trinque;looking for it 1204397;1437112435;trinque;http://phys.org/news/2015-07-surprisingly-high-geothermal-beneath-west.html 1204398;1437112437;assbot;Study finds surprisingly high geothermal heating beneath West Antarctic Ice Sheet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTLJHA ) 1204399;1437112481;trinque;of course warming is also occurring 1204400;1437112499;trinque;sounds though like that glacier *is* headed for the ocean 1204401;1437112592;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204274 <<< haha white guilt libs getting their just deserts https://puu.sh/iQ1v2/2ff220321a.jpg 1204402;1437112592;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:40:10; decimation: "Police and a witness interviewed said passengers trapped in the moving train huddled at both ends of the car and watched in horror as Spires punched 24-year-old Kevin Joseph Sutherland until he fell to the floor, then stabbed him until he was dead. Court documents say the victim was cut or stabbed 30 or 40 times, in the chest, abdomen, back, side and arms. " 1204403;1437112592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTM5hu ) 1204404;1437112688;mats;trinque: fun times ahead 1204405;1437112786;mats;'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue 1204406;1437113488;trinque;wtf, namecheap just blasted out an e-mail demanding rudely that I verify my email address due to ICANN something something 1204407;1437113526;cazalla;trinque, they have been doing that every year for the past few years if memory serves 1204408;1437113539;trinque;how bout I start deedbotting IPs and names and let that be that 1204409;1437113552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32655 @ 0.00053197 = 17.3715 BTC [-] {2} 1204410;1437113558;trinque;"GOVT REQUIRES FRESH SCANS OF YOUR ASSHOLE PER ANNUM" 1204411;1437114833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80774 @ 0.00053105 = 42.895 BTC [-] {3} 1204412;1437114894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7424 @ 0.00052484 = 3.8964 BTC [-] 1204413;1437115748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00054691 = 13.7548 BTC [+] {2} 1204414;1437117395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126800 @ 0.00054068 = 68.5582 BTC [-] {2} 1204415;1437117822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00053922 = 7.486 BTC [-] 1204416;1437118127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81912 @ 0.00053922 = 44.1686 BTC [-] 1204417;1437118188;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 285 @ 0.0039091 = 1.1141 BTC [+] 1204418;1437118554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00056287 = 28.5375 BTC [+] {2} 1204419;1437119286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00053851 = 31.2874 BTC [-] {2} 1204420;1437119513;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204244 << also happened to blockchain.info, and I remember posting a paper about similar attacks against HD wallets 1204421;1437119513;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:18:22; asciilifeform: trinque: this was done. for 'android' wallet of one kind or another 1204422;1437119659;punkman;also Counterparty wallet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg6354587#msg6354587 1204423;1437119661;assbot;[ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk55oe ) 1204424;1437120014;punkman;also hilarious https://github.com/jim618/multibit/issues/403 1204425;1437120015;assbot;Generated invalid address '1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh' · Issue #403 · jim618/multibit · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk5nLK ) 1204426;1437120039;shinohai;> A must-buy for @Gavin: http://amzn.to/1KaCQ0l 1204427;1437120041;assbot;Amazon.com - Corbis Images - Sperm in Testis of a Rat Peel and Stick Wall Decal by Wallmonkeys - ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk5tDf ) 1204428;1437120041;punkman;that's the address for secret exponent=0 1204429;1437120060;punkman;it's currently unspendable, though I think you might be able to spend it on 0.5.3 1204430;1437120091;shinohai;sweet, you think you could make counterparty work? 1204431;1437120112;punkman;huh? 1204432;1437120182;shinohai;oh multibit. I never liked it so never used it 1204433;1437120204;punkman;apparently more than one person hit that bug with multibit https://github.com/steauacris89/MULTIBIT-BUG-/issues/1 1204434;1437120206;assbot;MULTIBIT BUG , PLEASE RETURN MY BTC · Issue #1 · steauacris89/MULTIBIT-BUG- · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dk5Aic ) 1204435;1437120209;*;shinohai is just coming awake, having coffee @ 4 am 1204436;1437120266;shinohai;tbh i thought maybe 50 people used multibit 1204437;1437120325;punkman;I believe someone has actually sold the private key of the above address 1204438;1437120342;punkman;then the guy that bought it realizes he can't spend anything from the address 1204439;1437120355;punkman;good scam 1204440;1437120567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00055528 = 5.9137 BTC [+] 1204441;1437121252;punkman;interestingly, "re-used k" is how the Playstation 3 keys were broken 1204442;1437121360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00055528 = 3.8314 BTC [+] 1204443;1437121665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00056318 = 12.0521 BTC [+] 1204444;1437121909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00055631 = 12.4613 BTC [-] 1204445;1437123133;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda ; ) 1204446;1437123199;davout;ohai boludos 1204447;1437123861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00056428 = 34.675 BTC [+] {2} 1204448;1437124532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00056458 = 27.4668 BTC [+] 1204449;1437125203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00055131 = 55.1586 BTC [-] {2} 1204450;1437125264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70678 @ 0.00053962 = 38.1393 BTC [-] 1204451;1437126971;jurov;http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/17/the-square-kilometre-array-radio-silence-in-western-australia-for-most-powerful-telescope-in-history 1204452;1437126972;assbot;The Square Kilometre Array: radio silence in Western Australia for most powerful telescope in history | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8cEWt ) 1204453;1437126981;jurov;"Given that no computer exists that will be able to deal with the volume of what SKA will produce, the success of the project rests on the continuing robustness of Moore’s law: that every 18 to 24 months computer processing power will double." 1204454;1437127033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45039 @ 0.00052954 = 23.85 BTC [-] 1204455;1437127040;jurov;dem miners 1204456;1437127054;mircea_popescu;eh, journos. 1204457;1437127063;mircea_popescu;da fuck they know about distributed computing. 1204458;1437127148;jurov;shipping yottabytes from australia? 1204459;1437127172;jurov;it smells to me like it really needs to be processed on the spot 1204460;1437127188;mircea_popescu;because there's going toi be a single box yottabyte processor. 1204461;1437127195;jurov;^indeed. 1204462;1437127197;mircea_popescu;looky, distributed doesn't mean geographically dispersed. 1204463;1437127255;jurov;i mean, moore's not what they expect anymore, they may end up needing gigawatts of ower and cooling, 1204464;1437127261;jurov;meticulously RF shielded 1204465;1437127299;jurov;whether 10km or 100km away from the site does not make such big difference 1204466;1437127452;jurov;and then someone will hax it and use radio as mere entropy source for mining :DDDD 1204467;1437127459;cazalla;meanwhile down under http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-16/pirate-radio-station-near-portland-shut-down-operator-fined/6625792 1204468;1437127461;assbot;Pirate radio station near Portland shut down, operator fined - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8dwKT ) 1204469;1437128803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00053599 = 36.7421 BTC [+] {2} 1204470;1437128911;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204200 << it doesn't take much "principled" for "psychopaths". they're the people who don't give a shit, remember ? not even about PEOPLE THEMSELVES!111!! 1204471;1437128911;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:03:27; trinque: or he could be *that* principled and I could be a crass moron 1204472;1437129169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.0005389 = 34.9746 BTC [+] {3} 1204473;1437129246;shinohai;meanwhile my pogo is running smooth: I've been connected to mpex.btc for 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 6 seconds. 1204474;1437129291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28571 @ 0.00054353 = 15.5292 BTC [+] 1204475;1437129305;mircea_popescu;to wut ?! 1204476;1437129352;shinohai;i connected to your node until it failed, now i just have 1 connection. 1204477;1437129490;mircea_popescu;oh oh. 1204478;1437129503;mircea_popescu;it's gonna be up and down as i play with this nonsense block. 1204479;1437129527;shinohai;yes i bookmarked that as "ph0rk 1" 1204480;1437129549;shinohai;I am keeping a messy log of it 1204481;1437129586;shinohai;danielpbarron was down the day i got my pogo of all days. 1204482;1437129712;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204235 << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil 1204483;1437129712;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:12:43; asciilifeform: (and chances are, i will, l0l) 1204484;1437129718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00052475 = 38.2018 BTC [-] {2} 1204485;1437129791;shinohai;so i am stalled, but it is a hell of a device, this pogo 1204486;1437129883;mircea_popescu;not bad huh 1204487;1437129918;shinohai;i am sure it will kick ass when i get an actual ssd 1204488;1437129962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00055306 = 16.7024 BTC [+] {2} 1204489;1437130008;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204259 << afaik us navy is keeping a safe distance specifically for this reason 1204490;1437130008;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:27:11; mats: matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO 1204491;1437130035;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204260 << anti tank incendiary ?! 1204492;1437130035;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:28:03; decimation: well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile 1204493;1437130057;mircea_popescu;that was a high exposive incendiary of some sort. 1204494;1437130103;mircea_popescu;prolly fired some ancient ru howitzer at the thing. 1204495;1437130603;mircea_popescu;check it out, Jasper Spires is black. 1204496;1437130924;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204308 << not updated in a while neh ? 1204497;1437130924;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:50:44; decimation: asciilifeform: have you noticed that yarvin's blog is gradually disappearing from google search results 1204498;1437130983;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204319 << dude gtfo, seriously. door's wide open. usians are mentally retarded. 1204499;1437130983;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:54:03; decimation: ah "In a world dominated by progressives, the fascist gate to power is closed, locked, welded shut, filled with a thousand tons of concrete, and surrounded by starving cave bears. Today's Apparat has entire departments who do nothing but guard this door, which no one but a few pathetic dorks will even think of approaching." 1204500;1437130994;mircea_popescu;nobody's guarding it but the nails in their forehead. 1204501;1437130997;mircea_popescu;the self-driven nails. 1204502;1437130999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00052456 = 13.114 BTC [-] {2} 1204503;1437131099;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i watched a great film recently. "knockaround guys". it has some great names in it (malkovich has by now taken his obsession with 'voice training' to the point he has a serious speech impediment, his mental issues with voice remind one of angelina jolie and secondary sexual characteristics) 1204504;1437131123;mircea_popescu;but the thing is so bad, ill conceived, mishapen and plain out lame as you couldn't believe. 1204505;1437131145;mircea_popescu;at some point four utter dorks riding around in a car go "imagine, guys like us. we could be owning this place in a week!" 1204506;1437131171;mircea_popescu;unintentional for sure, but an excellent expose of mental retardation, us style. 1204507;1437131426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00055972 = 9.4033 BTC [+] 1204508;1437131473;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204359 << nothing keeps you from making your own private backup. 1204509;1437131473;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 05:03:59; asciilifeform: (we all know why. and i'm gonna guess that he doesn't give a damn, 'nobody needed the library of alexandria for anything') 1204510;1437131486;mircea_popescu;at the cost of whatever coupla bux it comes to. 1204511;1437131632;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204365 << 7,203atm. 1204512;1437131632;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 05:08:56; trinque: couldn't tell from the site itself precisely how many posts there are 1204513;1437131673;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204366 << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use. 1204514;1437131673;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission 1204515;1437131760;punkman;how many of those are in romanian btw 1204516;1437131788;mircea_popescu;mmm 1204517;1437131831;mircea_popescu;lemme see. tho i'd expect folks with the archival bent to want to preserve those particularly. who even knows what they actually say. 1204518;1437131997;mircea_popescu;1384 in english, rest in ro 1204519;1437132017;punkman;oh wow, we've missed all kinds of good stuff 1204520;1437132084;mircea_popescu;we have ? o.O 1204521;1437132101;punkman;us that don't read romanian 1204522;1437132179;mircea_popescu;in fairness a lot of it is not legitimately interesting other than to try and pry into "the personality of the man" etc. lots of style discussions, places nobody really gives a shit about etc. 1204523;1437132205;mircea_popescu;a good chunk of the legitimately interesting stuff was linked either here in reference to soemthing or in english articles etc. 1204524;1437132215;mircea_popescu;then again... who knows what i'm even forgetting. 1204525;1437132217;mircea_popescu;!up hazirafel 1204526;1437132271;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204405 << right out the "i'm not gay, i just like the taste of cock is all" book. 1204527;1437132271;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue 1204528;1437132309;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204406 << you must be new, this has been ongoing once a year for half a decade or some shit. 1204529;1437132309;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 06:11:28; trinque: wtf, namecheap just blasted out an e-mail demanding rudely that I verify my email address due to ICANN something something 1204530;1437133744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00054698 = 2.9537 BTC [-] 1204531;1437133894;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://loungeoflust.tumblr.com/post/84864298407/the-foreplay-part-1-x-art 1204532;1437133895;assbot;Loungeoflust - The foreplay part 1 (X-Art) ... ( http://bit.ly/1faiucJ ) 1204533;1437134203;shinohai;That may be the find of the week 1204534;1437135940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38032 @ 0.00052479 = 19.9588 BTC [-] 1204535;1437136733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.00052479 = 25.4261 BTC [-] 1204536;1437137091;cazalla;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/17/coontown-a-noxious-racist-corner-of-reddit-survives-recent-purge/ 1204537;1437137091;assbot;‘Coontown': A noxious, racist corner of Reddit survives recent purge - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1HV0t95 ) 1204538;1437137221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88182 @ 0.0005247 = 46.2691 BTC [-] {2} 1204539;1437137648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70200 @ 0.000533 = 37.4166 BTC [+] {2} 1204540;1437138136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71101 @ 0.0005545 = 39.4255 BTC [+] {2} 1204541;1437138563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00052371 = 25.6618 BTC [-] {3} 1204542;1437140331;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/pElWUj6.jpg 1204543;1437140332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9KPwS ) 1204544;1437141003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53393 @ 0.00055572 = 29.6716 BTC [+] 1204545;1437141735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00052911 = 13.7039 BTC [-] 1204546;1437142393;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204405 << well, this is true if you're, say, robert durst 1204547;1437142393;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue 1204548;1437142416;pete_dushenski;http://www.thejinxhbo.com/ << have not personally watched, but have it on good authority that it's chillingly riveting 1204549;1437142417;assbot;THE JINX ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjUrV2 ) 1204550;1437142589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109479 @ 0.00052369 = 57.3331 BTC [-] {2} 1204551;1437142650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53268 @ 0.00052172 = 27.791 BTC [-] 1204552;1437143159;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204253 << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ? 1204553;1437143159;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:22:57; mats: http://imgur.com/a/W9mQt stills 1204554;1437143748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00052814 = 10.3515 BTC [+] 1204555;1437143778;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/30/climate-change-is-a-good-thing-not-the-apocalypse-mkay/#comment-23136 << lel. angry climatards be angry. and non-specifically so. 1204556;1437143780;assbot;Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXiNE ) 1204557;1437143931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00052814 = 23.6079 BTC [+] 1204558;1437144016;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204482 << the one with the pipes ? 1204559;1437144016;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 10:41:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204235 << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil 1204560;1437144066;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teufz17PqoY 1204561;1437144067;assbot;Terry Gilliam's Movie Brazil - Plumbers' Nasty End - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXTyV ) 1204562;1437144266;asciilifeform;^ mega-film 1204563;1437144340;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204552 << me. 1204564;1437144340;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 14:25:59; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204253 << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ? 1204565;1437144357;asciilifeform;they're merely the latest incarnation of usg's dept. of foreign devil menace. 1204566;1437144376;pete_dushenski;aha. al-queda 2.0 ? 1204567;1437144377;asciilifeform;muppet theatre 1204568;1437144384;asciilifeform;taliban 2 1204569;1437144417;asciilifeform;wake me up when they bag a plumbooker 1204570;1437144427;asciilifeform;(^ not a high bar! even 'jonestown' managed) 1204571;1437144462;pete_dushenski;mkay. well you have to admit that they're considerably farther reaching than 'taliban' 1204572;1437144473;punkman;what's a plumbooker? 1204573;1437144482;pete_dushenski;magick usians 1204574;1437144508;asciilifeform;punkman: usa has the equivalent of su nomenklatura. as in, an actual phone book of the annointed 1204575;1437144519;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 i haz pogoplug demo video xD 1204576;1437144519;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1204577;1437144545;punkman;"The United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions, commonly known as the Plum Book, is published every four years, after the Presidential election.  The Plum Book is used to identify presidentially appointed positions within the Federal Government" 1204578;1437144546;punkman;oic 1204579;1437144632;asciilifeform;there is a thicker, nameless book which contains the list of SES ('senior executive service') employees 1204580;1437144653;asciilifeform;(the highest rank in usg's 'non-political' civil service ladder.) 1204581;1437144663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58475 @ 0.0005217 = 30.5064 BTC [-] {2} 1204582;1437144665;punkman;https://github.com/NYTimes/plumbook apparently around 5k people 1204583;1437144666;assbot;NYTimes/plumbook · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjZkxq ) 1204584;1437144726;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura << for utter n00bz 1204585;1437144727;assbot;Nomenklatura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjZvc6 ) 1204586;1437144784;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1203852 << very nicely done, BingoBoingo ! one of your better pieces lately. 1204587;1437144784;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 01:05:21; scoopbot_revived: Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/ 1204588;1437145166;decimation;it's true, it looks like the 7-10 nm range is gonna be a strech for production 1204589;1437145184;decimation;obviously prototypes have been created, but it's another matter to crank out such chips in production 1204590;1437145212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45404 @ 0.00053386 = 24.2394 BTC [+] 1204591;1437145214;pete_dushenski;well if bitcoin is just a prototype... 1204592;1437145362;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/07/bb-transcript-redact.htm << from the lulzfarm 1204593;1437145363;assbot;Text Redacted from Barrett Brown Sentencing Transcript ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok0NUv ) 1204594;1437146066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17773 @ 0.00052168 = 9.2718 BTC [-] 1204595;1437146798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00052105 = 33.8683 BTC [-] {2} 1204596;1437147225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00052072 = 29.2124 BTC [-] {2} 1204597;1437147648;mats;https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ARPD << rapid7 had an IPO 1204598;1437147648;assbot;Rapid7 Inc: NASDAQ:RPD quotes & news - Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Myo0kB ) 1204599;1437147652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3074 @ 0.00053386 = 1.6411 BTC [+] 1204600;1437147701;mats;someone fucked up when pricing their shares 1204601;1437149145;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski ty 1204602;1437149145;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1204603;1437149238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8626 @ 0.00053588 = 4.6225 BTC [+] 1204604;1437149360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.00052607 = 4.2417 BTC [-] 1204605;1437150092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79098 @ 0.00052065 = 41.1824 BTC [-] 1204606;1437150336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25120 @ 0.00054036 = 13.5738 BTC [+] {2} 1204607;1437150397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30280 @ 0.00054485 = 16.4981 BTC [+] 1204608;1437150861;pete_dushenski;http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/70c4b127bfeed75f9f333fb742c21a3c6d11fee5e3e1f5917099523754b82b4f << 4.89 mn days destroyed in one transaction. 1204609;1437150862;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J56C88 ) 1204610;1437150879;pete_dushenski;seems like a lot but i have to admit that i rarely look at such things. 1204611;1437151034;pete_dushenski;$goog pops 15%, $etsy 26% this morning. 1204612;1437151205;shinohai;I heard that a bunch of sjw's got upset because etsy won't let you sell spells anymore. 1204613;1437151213;fluffypony;lol 1204614;1437151235;pete_dushenski;leave spells to the dark markets 1204615;1437151246;shinohai;^ 1204616;1437151494;trinque;mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204366 << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use. << cool 1204617;1437151494;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission 1204618;1437151560;*;trinque has all this disk and so little worthwhile content with which to fill it 1204619;1437151578;trinque;I'm thinking of making it a semi-official function of deedbot to archive a particular site at a particular time and timestamp the bundle 1204620;1437151653;punkman;that would make some pretty big bundles though 1204621;1437151766;trinque;punkman: I just snagged a machine with a few raid cards and 8 drives, but yeah, probably so 1204622;1437151797;trinque;I might make the rating requirement for site-archival a bit higher than for deeds 1204623;1437151806;trinque;anyhow, just musing on the thought currently 1204624;1437151889;punkman;URL deeding would be handy 1204625;1437151899;punkman;we had a couple threads about it 1204626;1437152784;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/17/7bfd5030ace80a22f705338783cbb3b3.jpg 1204627;1437152786;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dl9dV5 ) 1204628;1437153058;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1204629;1437153423;jurov;http://www.damninteresting.com/the-last-great-steam-car/ who killed the steam car! 1204630;1437153456;jurov;"Astonishingly, an unmodified Doble Model E runs clean enough to pass the strict emissions laws in California today." heh 1204631;1437153568;BingoBoingo;Interesing 1204632;1437153652;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1204633;1437153653;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 277.9, Best ask: 279.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 279.0, 24 hour volume: 32117.18507149, 24 hour low: 272.0, 24 hour high: 281.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1204634;1437153813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00054485 = 31.9282 BTC [+] 1204635;1437154085;ascii_field;jurov: iirc, the incurably fatal defect of that car was the five-minute start time 1204636;1437154106;jurov;they made it down to 90 sec 1204637;1437154117;jurov;according to tfa 1204638;1437154301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73247 @ 0.00054485 = 39.9086 BTC [+] 1204639;1437155973;BingoBoingo;http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/exclusive-interview-with-the-gay-porn-star-behind-that-terrible-gawker-article/ 1204640;1437155974;assbot;Interview With The Gay Porn Star Behind That Gawker Article | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1REjQ17 ) 1204641;1437156314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0005287 = 1.3218 BTC [-] 1204642;1437156316;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178718 << me too! and the "famicon" mentioned earlier in this thread might sound familiar to fans of SMB2 -- the ~real~ SMB2 is known in the english world as "The Lost Levels" because it was deemed "too difficult" for them when it first came out, and "Super Famicon" was re-branded and re-skinned and shipped to USSA in its place 1204643;1437156316;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 04:00:51; *: decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games 1204644;1437156442;trinque;danielpbarron: yeah, our mario 2 was that weird platformer they rebranded at the last minute 1204645;1437156491;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%C5%8Dj%C5%8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic#Yume_K.C5.8Dj.C5.8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic 1204646;1437156492;assbot;Super Mario Bros. 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1REl6kP ) 1204647;1437156500;danielpbarron;yep, with the mega-lame least-creative-way-to-end-a-story-possible... IT WAS ALL A DREAM L0L 1204648;1437156517;trinque;that game sucked 1204649;1437156541;danielpbarron;pretty much, although it will always be nostalgic to me 1204650;1437156564;danielpbarron;but yeah, i generally glare at people who exclaim "OMG smb2 is my fav!1" 1204651;1437156596;trinque;I play it for the same reason time to time 1204652;1437156619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88600 @ 0.00054374 = 48.1754 BTC [+] {3} 1204653;1437157088;mod6;shinohai: cool! got a link for us yet? wanna check it out :] 1204654;1437157412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00054485 = 5.1216 BTC [+] 1204655;1437157420;trinque;yeah, neat. I just fired up my own pogo today 1204656;1437157443;trinque;got a nice little intel ssd for it too 1204657;1437157488;mod6;sweet! 1204658;1437158316;shinohai;nice trinque I don't have ssd yet T_T 1204659;1437158344;trinque;had an old 80gb in a macbook I finally retired to the dumpster 1204660;1437158382;*;trinque sheds a single tear for "elderbook" 1204661;1437158437;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1204662;1437158446;*;ascii_field meanwhile is writing proggy for msdos ! 1204663;1437158488;ascii_field;(asm, naturally) 1204664;1437158555;trinque;interesting, what brings you to that archaeological dig? 1204665;1437158561;ascii_field;wurk 1204666;1437158651;trinque;shinohai: newegg has 'em for about 50 bux 1204667;1437158728;jurov;what? macbooks with 80g intel ssds can be bought for 50bux? 1204668;1437158729;scoopbot_revived;Turns out you wanted Hitler after all. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/17/turns-out-you-wanted-hitler-after-all/ 1204669;1437158788;trinque;jurov: no, just the ssd 1204670;1437158796;trinque;tho that macbook wasn't even worth 50 bucks 1204671;1437158804;trinque;bad mobo issues 1204672;1437158808;trinque;kernel panics and such 1204673;1437158866;trinque;would've probably lived longer if not for the many dousings with beer/coffee/misc 1204674;1437158919;*;ascii_field lulz at the folks who nod when he says 'computer should cost $100k and be a heirloom' who then tell about the coffee they spilled in their 7th laptop 1204675;1437158967;trinque;100k computer goes in the basement! 1204676;1437158973;trinque;I'll beer all over my cheap terminal 1204677;1437158995;ascii_field;ever look at what vt100 and its contemporaries cost ? 1204678;1437159007;ascii_field;(i, for one, was surprised when learned the answer) 1204679;1437159015;jurov;basement that never gets flooded! 1204680;1437159036;trinque;jurov: errrr sealed missile silo! 1204681;1437159050;trinque;ascii_field: haven't, maybe a misguided assumption 1204682;1437159120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64362 @ 0.00054036 = 34.7787 BTC [-] 1204683;1437159125;trinque;found one for a grand, damn. 1204684;1437159130;trinque;but this is because it's vintage 1204685;1437159133;ascii_field;nono 1204686;1437159135;ascii_field;~at the time~ 1204687;1437159146;trinque;ah, at the time I'm sure they were very expensive 1204688;1437160035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.0005398 = 101.0236 BTC [-] {4} 1204689;1437160126;decimation;I have an old macbook1,1 I would like to use for stator 1204690;1437160131;decimation;i put an ssd in it awhile ago 1204691;1437160145;decimation;one day when I get some extra time I might work on the osx build stuff 1204692;1437160392;mod6;!up assbot 1204693;1437160394;mod6;gdit 1204694;1437160397;mod6;!up ascii_field 1204695;1437160407;mod6;so I dumped a few blocks 0, 1, 2, 199`999, etc. 1204696;1437160445;mod6;and i never did find that magic number in there: 0xf9, 0xbe, 0xb4, 0xd9 1204697;1437160489;ascii_field;mod6: 0xd9b4bef9 1204698;1437160491;mod6;which i thought was kinda weird, so i looked at the code again. This is a part of CMessageHeader, used in ProcessMessage -- so I ran a tcpdump while syncing: 1204699;1437160493;ascii_field;we're little-endian 1204700;1437160508;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3A4FHKE.txt 1204701;1437160509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okzw4g ) 1204702;1437160523;ascii_field;mod6: precisely above 1204703;1437160531;ascii_field;0320: f9be b4d9 1204704;1437160545;ascii_field;you're seeing it 1204705;1437160546;mod6;i don't see the bytes in any order. 1204706;1437160551;mod6;(in the block itself) 1204707;1437160555;mod6;just in the message header 1204708;1437160624;ascii_field;it gets in when it is written 1204709;1437160624;ascii_field;to disk 1204710;1437160628;ascii_field;see the src 1204711;1437160643;mod6;then is dump block not including it? 1204712;1437160774;ascii_field;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block << ahahah apparently 1204713;1437160775;assbot;Genesis block - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1fR1U2E ) 1204714;1437160827;ascii_field;they start with version (32bits), aha 1204715;1437160830;ascii_field;somehow forgot this 1204716;1437161132;mod6;so dumping the first four blocks with `dumpblock' into each their own .bin files, then using xxd and shovling them all into one file, here's the result: http://dpaste.com/1B1H1PC.txt 1204717;1437161133;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkBG3R ) 1204718;1437161153;ascii_field;mod6: matches what i have 1204719;1437161187;mod6;ok, ftr, this is from nsl's node with -verifyall on. 1204720;1437161208;mod6;just thought it was worth mentioning that i found it in the MessageHeader with tcpdump. 1204721;1437161511;mod6;ah, ok so looking at http://dpaste.com/2J1JRCR.txt again, we can def. note that it's a v3 block and that's not just some garbage in there. 1204722;1437161512;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkCpSE ) 1204723;1437161536;mod6;[block 364`672] 1204724;1437161743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00054535 = 18.2147 BTC [+] 1204725;1437162325;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1204726;1437163227;scoopbot_revived;US Can't Retain Drone Pilots http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-cant-retain-drone-pilots/ 1204727;1437163309;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/6eeea29eba868ab8f9f97c04c3c866ae/tumblr_n65ezs0wmV1tatb44o1_1280.jpg 1204728;1437163310;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fR7Ybn ) 1204729;1437163390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56522 @ 0.00054553 = 30.8344 BTC [+] {2} 1204730;1437163395;trinque;pilots get tired of fish in a barrel, eh? 1204731;1437163397;trinque;how bout that 1204732;1437163417;BingoBoingo;trinque: Probably tired of not actually being pilots 1204733;1437163421;mircea_popescu;kinda weird seeing how drone flying is a common hobby on uni campuses 1204734;1437163451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.000546 = 8.8605 BTC [+] 1204735;1437163455;trinque;could be entirely unrelated to being a drone operator too 1204736;1437163473;mircea_popescu;yea 1204737;1437163478;BingoBoingo;Well, there probably a difference between flying drones as a lay hobbyist and flying drones when you spent your youth training to fly planes you fit inside 1204738;1437163490;mircea_popescu;maybe nobody wants to be in the navy anymore because it's doing dumbass "sensitivity training" 1204739;1437163493;mircea_popescu;as a for instance. 1204740;1437163504;davout;who wants to fly drones when you can either fly fighter jets or fuck flight attendants 1204741;1437163530;trinque;yeah, amounts to a cubicle job a lot like being a videogame tester 1204742;1437163534;trinque;or I'd assume 1204743;1437163536;mircea_popescu;all this effort put into becoming "more women friendly" in a retarded, contorted way that women don't give a shit about and pisses off men is mayhap paying off 1204744;1437163562;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204558 << the on ewith the watching tv 1204745;1437163562;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 14:40:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204482 << the one with the pipes ? 1204746;1437163570;mircea_popescu;except you're watching the node spew scroll 1204747;1437163634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72350 @ 0.00053757 = 38.8932 BTC [-] {3} 1204748;1437163665;trinque;this "surgical" death from the sky thing strikes me as a bit like playing with one's food 1204749;1437163668;trinque;at least larger wars might end 1204750;1437163673;trinque;s/might/will/ 1204751;1437163839;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204626 << so much win. 1204752;1437163839;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 17:06:24; BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/17/7bfd5030ace80a22f705338783cbb3b3.jpg 1204753;1437163854;mircea_popescu;PRIVILEGE IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BY REALITY!1111 1204754;1437163933;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204624 << there's that archive.today thing which seems to work ok. if anyone actually cares enough about a website (which seems a stretch in my mind, but w/e) they can still do what i did to the usms scammer bunch, curl, base64 and sign. 1204755;1437163933;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 16:51:29; punkman: URL deeding would be handy 1204756;1437163949;mircea_popescu;otherwise "signing an url" is kinda like "windows security" in that pages include foreign elements. 1204757;1437163950;chetty;ahaha so thats it, its realities fault 1204758;1437163974;ascii_field;i must note that archive.today is not (apparently) recursive 1204759;1437163990;trinque;well god's dead and that's no fair, so the state will have to chip in instead 1204760;1437164000;BingoBoingo;archive.today is indeed not recursive 1204761;1437164020;trinque;the archive I'm building is primarily for my own reading 1204762;1437164042;mircea_popescu;recursive archival is a very much open question. 1204763;1437164047;mircea_popescu;how many copies of the internet do you want ? 1204764;1437164069;ascii_field;depth=1 would make elementary sense 1204765;1437164071;trinque;personally I'll settle for whatever I can find of the best content, and the rest can be damned 1204766;1437164073;ascii_field;for most sites 1204767;1437164093;ascii_field;that is, the default behaviour of 'wget -m' 1204768;1437164118;mircea_popescu;yeah but no guarantee you get your site this way 1204769;1437164133;mircea_popescu;if you really feel like burning time on this, feel free to look at random sites see what depthy=1 gets you 1204770;1437164141;ascii_field;i did. 1204771;1437164158;ascii_field;(on the mr mold example from last night. got everything that's worth anything there) 1204772;1437164189;trinque;!up ascii_field 1204773;1437164199;mircea_popescu;i guess wp is better than most on this score. 1204774;1437164244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.000546 = 15.6156 BTC [+] 1204775;1437164345;danielpbarron;!up amiller 1204776;1437164427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77200 @ 0.00052246 = 40.3339 BTC [-] {3} 1204777;1437164488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00052065 = 11.3502 BTC [-] 1204778;1437164622;BingoBoingo;I'll be back 1204779;1437164736;ascii_field;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: sooo in other nyooz, last night i got a x86_64 buildroot on musl going. shits out a bootable iso 1204780;1437164777;mircea_popescu;o hey! 1204781;1437164793;mircea_popescu;so in principle, we're this close to a pogo binary ? 1204782;1437164797;mircea_popescu;iirc mod6 got stator static 1204783;1437164803;ascii_field;it was static! 1204784;1437164807;ascii_field;when i released it 1204785;1437164809;ascii_field;hence the name 1204786;1437164823;ascii_field;not to be confused with the turd from 3 month ago 1204787;1437164824;ascii_field;which was not 1204788;1437164832;ascii_field;(had dynamic libc) 1204789;1437165012;mircea_popescu;a right 1204790;1437165018;mircea_popescu;vhell then1 1204791;1437165034;mod6;nice ascii_field! 1204792;1437165037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3474 @ 0.00054258 = 1.8849 BTC [+] 1204793;1437165088;ascii_field;point is not only to test pogo build and get musl in, but also it is useful to have a rom-able pc realbitcoinotron 1204794;1437165091;mod6;but yea, was able to build stator as fully static, thanks to ascii_field's cuts from the source. 1204795;1437165124;ascii_field;drop in optical disk, it looks for blockchain on largest blockdev, if doesn't find - counts down with skull, minute later - formats drive, starts fetching blocks... 1204796;1437165136;shinohai;i havent built a staic stator on pogo yet 1204797;1437165138;trinque;nice 1204798;1437165208;ascii_field;^ above is the notion. all i have presently is a 10m iso that boots to shell 1204799;1437165220;ascii_field;100% musl though 1204800;1437165228;ascii_field;and self-contained (relies on no libs from host) 1204801;1437165239;ascii_field;!s spreading works 1204802;1437165241;assbot;9 results for 'spreading works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spreading+works 1204803;1437165249;mircea_popescu;ascii_field quite. 1204804;1437165283;mircea_popescu;actually : could we add a replicator ? 1204805;1437165288;ascii_field;? 1204806;1437165295;mircea_popescu;"pogo responds to magic packet on port X by sending over the iso" 1204807;1437165307;ascii_field;can host on :80 1204808;1437165310;ascii_field;like normal people 1204809;1437165319;mircea_popescu;it has a web server ?! 1204810;1437165326;ascii_field;could have just this 1204811;1437165328;ascii_field;if we wanted 1204812;1437165335;ascii_field;(no need for adult web server) 1204813;1437165351;trinque;if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site. 1204814;1437165379;ascii_field;will need for the console regardless ! 1204815;1437165388;mircea_popescu;i think might be useful feature yea 1204816;1437165401;mircea_popescu;simplify distribution of the iso in any case. 1204817;1437165444;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e3f1c5471a280606676eb5caa12abfc6/tumblr_n3r2iuuOFS1twbbpbo1_400.gif 1204818;1437165445;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OkNLWx ) 1204819;1437165464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2003 @ 0.00052065 = 1.0429 BTC [-] 1204820;1437165570;trinque;is there anything that'd keep this hp turdserver from having the svm flag on the cpus other than... not having that? 1204821;1437165578;trinque;bios didn't seem to have a virtualization setting 1204822;1437165611;mircea_popescu;Jul 2015538954457,386663,979488816.56 GB << jurov you know i blame you for this right ? 1204823;1437165647;jurov;is that minigame.bz? well, you asked for it 1204824;1437165681;mod6;<+trinque> if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site. << Hear, hear. 1204825;1437165703;mircea_popescu;on the plus side there's well over 1k complete versions of the thing i nthe wild now, so it's not a total loss. 1204826;1437165725;mircea_popescu;but damned, half a yottabyte. i feel like google. 1204827;1437165769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50397 @ 0.00051966 = 26.1893 BTC [-] 1204828;1437165813;mircea_popescu;top browsers : WgetYes392,47585.8 % 1204829;1437165816;mircea_popescu;also lulzy. 1204830;1437165830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00051914 = 33.0692 BTC [-] 1204831;1437166049;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1204832;1437166129;mircea_popescu;halp i have endian problems in my head. peta not yotta! 1204833;1437166185;jurov;i thought you're just trying to be poetic 1204834;1437166271;mircea_popescu;that also. 1204835;1437166299;danielpbarron;wow lame, gave only 1 1204836;1437166305;danielpbarron;oops wrong window lol 1204837;1437166354;trinque;either I have a good nose or the neighbors are *really* drinking this afternoon 1204838;1437166358;trinque;can smell the booze 1204839;1437166366;trinque;crypto-robo-babylon when? 1204840;1437166436;ascii_field;pyronecrocryptozoophilia. 1204841;1437166438;ascii_field;today. 1204842;1437166481;trinque;so I go over there with a flamethrower and a bandana on my face, then fuck the ashes? 1204843;1437166484;trinque;got it 1204844;1437166595;trinque;it'd be a neat company to have, something which built heavily fortified homes 1204845;1437166600;trinque;wonder if there's a market for that 1204846;1437166623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88187 @ 0.00054224 = 47.8185 BTC [+] {2} 1204847;1437166640;trinque;if I someday neither hear, smell, nor see neighbors, that'll be a good close to chapter one 1204848;1437166684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104900 @ 0.00051838 = 54.3781 BTC [-] {4} 1204849;1437167591;ben_vulpes;neat to hear about musl, asciilifeform 1204850;1437167620;ben_vulpes;my stator's up to 347786 1204851;1437167641;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: once you have a known-good blockchain, just copy it 1204852;1437167677;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: i know that it takes longer, but i like to actually exercise the sync mechanism once every five builds or so 1204853;1437167751;ben_vulpes;anyways i was poking at hunchentoot in service of making an httoy out of some of the patches that you've posted recently and discovered that the sbcl i had on the plane didn't support threads 1204854;1437167768;trinque;aw 1204855;1437167822;trinque;man I would've bought the scam wifi for a flight that long 1204856;1437167831;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: tried 'verifyall' yet ? 1204857;1437167835;ascii_field;that's kinda what it was for 1204858;1437167849;mod6;im running it on two seperate envs now actually. 1204859;1437167872;mod6;ones at 294k and the other... 158k 1204860;1437167911;mod6;!up ascii_field 1204861;1437167927;ben_vulpes;trinque: wifi over ocean: yes. cell for scammers to resell - no 1204862;1437167960;ben_vulpes;the wifi is actually free 1204863;1437167970;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: no, i have not tried verifyall yet 1204864;1437168006;ben_vulpes;just reading your patches and thinking about how to exercise them is a quarter-time job 1204865;1437168022;ascii_field;waiwut 1204866;1437168035;ascii_field;really not much in the patches thus far 1204867;1437168041;ascii_field;mostly antimatter 1204868;1437168054;ascii_field;wait till the ~real~ patches, l0l 1204869;1437168067;ben_vulpes;keep in mind that this is how i'm learning cpp 1204870;1437168209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00051968 = 21.2809 BTC [+] 1204871;1437168212;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: the only way to re-verify a chain-on-disk right now is to dump and re-eat all blocks, correct? 1204872;1437168247;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: that, or twiddle the relevant constant 1204873;1437168255;ascii_field;(i forget precisely where. oughta be a patch!) 1204874;1437168269;ben_vulpes;hrm? what constant is this 1204875;1437168328;ben_vulpes;the only thing i'm aware of in the 'mainstream' codebasen is the "rescan" thinger, but that only looks for transactions relevant to the wallet 1204876;1437168397;ascii_field;-checkblocks 1204877;1437168406;ascii_field;looks like we have it, already 1204878;1437168607;ben_vulpes;lol and completely absent from the usage message 1204879;1437168613;ascii_field;aha. 1204880;1437168629;ascii_field;(it was like this in 0.5.3 iirc) 1204881;1437168636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83050 @ 0.00051664 = 42.907 BTC [-] {2} 1204882;1437168695;ben_vulpes;jesus christ 1204883;1437168758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67733 @ 0.00053583 = 36.2934 BTC [+] {2} 1204884;1437168927;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203701 << all i know is that programming sucks and some ways of doing it suck a little less than others. 1204885;1437168927;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2015 21:07:59; mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters 1204886;1437169348;trinque;and if the opinion is justified and the hate remains? 1204887;1437169368;trinque;anyhow, the thread thereafter addressed it. 1204888;1437169467;ascii_field;'In addition to the ACPI feature, remote wake-up (including AMD Magic Packet and Microsoft Wake-up frame) is supported in both ACPI and APM (Advanced Power Management) environments. To support WOL from a deep power down state (e.g., D3cold, i.e., main power is off and only auxiliary exists), the auxiliary power source must be able to provide the needed power... ...The RTL8111E supports Protocol offload. It offloads some 1204889;1437169468;ascii_field;of the most common protocols to NIC hardware in order to prevent spurious wake up and further reduce power consumption. The RTL8111E can offload ARP (IPv4) and NS (IPv6) protocols while in the D3 power saving state. ' 1204890;1437169470;ascii_field;^ lulzy 1204891;1437169487;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^ 1204892;1437169673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114750 @ 0.00051561 = 59.1662 BTC [-] {3} 1204893;1437169979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00051464 = 28.0993 BTC [-] {2} 1204894;1437170222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6803 @ 0.00053882 = 3.6656 BTC [+] {2} 1204895;1437170275;ag3nt_zer0;hi there 1204896;1437170283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36486 @ 0.00054786 = 19.9892 BTC [+] {5} 1204897;1437170284;trinque;good afternoon, how goes? 1204898;1437170296;shinohai;sup ag3nt_zer0 1204899;1437170309;mircea_popescu;hey ben_vulpes trinque do i have this right, you mostly make apple store games ? 1204900;1437170312;ag3nt_zer0;hey trinque fine just trying to install eulora here... you? 1204901;1437170327;ag3nt_zer0;hey shinohai 1204902;1437170327;trinque;mircea_popescu: nah, I do web turds 1204903;1437170345;mircea_popescu;ah i thought you wored together on same firm thing 1204904;1437170385;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not games, no 1204905;1437170391;mircea_popescu;but what ? 1204906;1437170399;ben_vulpes;except insofar as vc-backed shartups are games 1204907;1437170415;ben_vulpes;ios and android and webturd "engineering" horsepower as a service 1204908;1437170435;ben_vulpes;if someone were so foolish as to want to pay us to build a game we could 1204909;1437170471;ben_vulpes;everything from promotional apps to apps for insurance companies to internal business process web applications 1204910;1437170473;ag3nt_zer0;do I need to be in particular directory for this to work? "You'll need to install several support libraries via MacPorts. Run sudo port install (package-name) for all of the packages in the first two lists here." - I enter this and it says Error port opengl not found 1204911;1437170478;mircea_popescu;what'd cost me for you to make the eulora client into an ipad app ? 1204912;1437170493;mircea_popescu;but only if you actually can do the whole chain, i don't wish to touch apple. so if yo ucan get it into their store thing etc. 1204913;1437170510;ben_vulpes;yeah generally the first thing we ask for is root on your apple account 1204914;1437170518;ben_vulpes;then your servers 1204915;1437170521;mircea_popescu;i do not have an apple account nor would be getting one. 1204916;1437170528;mircea_popescu;hahaha mno. 1204917;1437170542;mircea_popescu;you get the c++ turdball that's the client. 1204918;1437170546;ben_vulpes;then your children 1204919;1437170555;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1204920;1437170558;mircea_popescu;i only give my children to women. 1204921;1437170571;*;ascii_field will be rather surprised if the thing passes the censors 1204922;1437170571;ben_vulpes;i do have some understanding of how you work 1204923;1437170572;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 yes you do, but that doesn't sound like a wrong directory problem 1204924;1437170581;ag3nt_zer0;entered this sudo port install OpenGL 1204925;1437170602;ben_vulpes;first thing to be aware of is that if it has anything to do with bitcoin and transacting stuff it's going to be a bitch to get past the 'reviewers' 1204926;1437170608;ben_vulpes;censors as alf sez 1204927;1437170616;ben_vulpes;but uh a pile of money probably 1204928;1437170619;mircea_popescu;i don't see how it does. 1204929;1437170619;ben_vulpes;over 9000 1204930;1437170680;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: I am in home directory, where should I be? 1204931;1437170777;mircea_popescu;i personally never got a mac. best everyone knows is in the wiki, you reading that ? 1204932;1437170785;ag3nt_zer0;yeah 1204933;1437170792;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: macports doesn't care what directory you're in 1204934;1437170797;ag3nt_zer0;hmmm ok 1204935;1437170855;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: try doing a sudo port selfupdate first? 1204936;1437170878;ascii_field;speaking of all of this, i realized not long ago that one could easily do a 'pogo' for some shitablet or other 1204937;1437170888;ascii_field;(replacing turdroid etc. in the rom) 1204938;1437170903;trinque;yeah, with external storage? 1204939;1437170935;trinque;pretty sure all tablet makers still charge out the ass for more than a pittance of storage 1204940;1437171021;mircea_popescu;iirc tablets come with 8-16-etc gb 1204941;1437171036;ascii_field;usb jack 1204942;1437171060;mircea_popescu;that's not so common 1204943;1437171070;ascii_field;sop on turdroid 1204944;1437171084;ascii_field;(often needs a cheap mechanical adapter from 'micro' to female 'a') 1204945;1437171259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60250 @ 0.00051453 = 31.0004 BTC [-] {3} 1204946;1437171677;ag3nt_zer0;well sent a pm to phf hopefully he can help... 1204947;1437171730;ben_vulpes;!s block777 1204948;1437171731;assbot;0 results for 'block777' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=block777 1204949;1437171737;ben_vulpes;!s http://block777.com/ 1204950;1437171738;assbot;Block 777 - Bitcoin Blockchain Betting Game ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol4sRX ) 1204951;1437171739;assbot;0 results for 'http://block777.com/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fblock777.com%2F 1204952;1437171752;ben_vulpes;'tis lulzy 1204953;1437171821;ben_vulpes;makes the eyes bleed, but lulzy nevertheless 1204954;1437172657;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: they make micro-usb to usb adapters that plug into the charger port 1204955;1437172713;ben_vulpes;http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n12_RTR3CGTO/main_1200.jpg 1204956;1437172713;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol6npw ) 1204957;1437172788;williamdunne;Is that a Romanian flag on that tuktuk 1204958;1437172801;williamdunne;Yep 1204959;1437172874;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: For example this can be used to simultaneously charge a phone and give it access to a USB port of its own; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-Male-to-USB-Female-OTG-Cable-USB-Male-Y-Cable-For-Note-4-/291373357246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43d73498be 1204960;1437172876;assbot;Micro USB Host Cable Male to USB Female OTG Cable + USB Male Y Cable For Note 4 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5ZJDt ) 1204961;1437172913;williamdunne;Oh wrong about charging part, that's to power whatever is plugged in via usb, lame 1204962;1437174245;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/07/wizard-school.html 1204963;1437174246;assbot;Stevey's Blog Rants: Wizard School ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol9BJx ) 1204964;1437174319;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1204965;1437174324;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: wat 1204966;1437174367;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day 1204967;1437174368;jurov;it's named "on the go" connector 1204968;1437174385;jurov;and yes, it's not for 24/7 1204969;1437174386;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel: it's a lul by the fella who wrote 'lisp is not an acceptable lisp' 1204970;1437174392;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: I know. 1204971;1437174406;gabriel_laddel;I've read everything Mr. Yegge has written 1204972;1437174407;ascii_field;jurov: why not 24/7 1204973;1437174429;jurov;cuz not charging. 1204974;1437174464;ascii_field;i have hardware powered by 'usb otg' jacks going 24/7... 1204975;1437174471;ascii_field;data lines still work 1204976;1437174473;jurov;the droid acts as usb host and it is supposed to provide power 1204977;1437174484;jurov;you'll have to recharge it some other way then 1204978;1437174492;ascii_field;i bet this can be finessed 1204979;1437174541;ascii_field;i ordered a 'miracast' last week, would have tested this already, but it was delayed in the post 1204980;1437174544;jurov;i have proposed to use n900's in such manner, less shitty and more OSS than droids, was immediately shot down 1204981;1437174553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00053729 = 9.0533 BTC [+] 1204982;1437174556;jurov;seems we are getting desperate :) 1204983;1437174589;ascii_field;jurov: not so much desperate as the fact that i found a device available for $10-15 ~NEW~ from cn, with 256 (or even 512) MB of ram 1204984;1437174600;ascii_field;and powered via usbotg 1204985;1437174625;ascii_field;new+multivendor is a major plus imho 1204986;1437175224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51250 @ 0.00054542 = 27.9528 BTC [+] {3} 1204987;1437175263;ag3nt_zer0;anyone have any thoughts on the Jolla? 1204988;1437175288;ag3nt_zer0;and/or neo900? 1204989;1437175337;ascii_field;€249.00 1204990;1437175344;ascii_field;irrelevant. 1204991;1437175359;ascii_field;at least - to therealbitcoin. 1204992;1437175368;ascii_field;can buy a fucking computer for that. 1204993;1437175394;ascii_field;or 12 pogos 1204994;1437175403;ascii_field;14 1204995;1437175478;williamdunne;00:06:08 - gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day <<< isn't that what #b-a is anyway? At least that's how I'm trying to use it. 1204996;1437175545;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/sHdFpXq.gif 1204997;1437175546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbdhP5 ) 1204998;1437175546;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1204999;1437176017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.0005507 = 17.3471 BTC [+] 1205000;1437176126;jurov;!s WLX-652 1205001;1437176127;assbot;0 results for 'WLX-652' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=WLX-652 1205002;1437176157;jurov;^ just found this pogo sibling. but nowhere they say how much mem does it have 1205003;1437176174;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1205004;1437176183;ascii_field;jurov: found a supplier for these ? 1205005;1437176194;ascii_field;(as far as i can tell, they're extinct ...?) 1205006;1437176239;jurov;http://www.dx.com/p/standalone-bittorrent-bt-client-upnp-usb-nas-ftp-samba-printer-sharing-network-lan-server-20383#.VamNyDJ9zmE 1205007;1437176240;assbot;Standalone BitTorrent BT Client + UPNP USB/NAS/FTP/SAMBA/Printer Sharing Network LAN Server - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbeaqQ ) 1205008;1437176304;ascii_field;expensive 1205009;1437176328;ascii_field;https://snake-os.googlecode.com/files/snake_os_User_man_12_01_13.pdf << claims 32MB of ram 1205010;1437176329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbehT8 ) 1205011;1437176341;ascii_field;which is what is in my 'hootoo', costing less than half 1205012;1437176356;jurov;32? then yes, expensive 1205013;1437176358;ascii_field;(we are, sadly, nowhere near the point where we can live in 32) 1205014;1437176657;jurov;back to pogo, all mSATA drives i see are 5-6cm long and impossible to fit inside 1205015;1437176668;jurov;what's supposed to go there at all? 1205016;1437176678;ascii_field;msata ? 1205017;1437176683;ascii_field;pogo has no msata 1205018;1437176695;danielpbarron;the top pops off 1205019;1437176701;danielpbarron;i left that piece on 1205020;1437176702;ascii_field;has normal 'laptop' sata 1205021;1437176718;danielpbarron;drive will stick awkwardly out the top 1205022;1437176718;jurov;ah. so msata won't fit? 1205023;1437176721;ascii_field;http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/networkstorage/pogo/B005GM1Q1O/B006I5MKZY-interfaces-08l.jpg 1205024;1437176722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbf0nf ) 1205025;1437176746;ascii_field;http://media.bestofmicro.com/B/X/350349/original/msata_sata500px.png 1205026;1437176747;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbf72e ) 1205027;1437176767;ascii_field;the naked pcb thing is what is normally called 'msata' 1205028;1437176771;ascii_field;no such jack in pogo 1205029;1437176781;ascii_field;only laptop-sata (bottom of photo) 1205030;1437176823;jurov;but 2.5" drive won't fit 1205031;1437176828;*;jurov is confused 1205032;1437176836;ascii_field;jurov: it fits 1205033;1437176851;ascii_field;did you remove the dust cover from the pogo ? 1205034;1437176858;jurov;only with top cover completely off and pcb bare 1205035;1437176869;ascii_field;don't strip the pcb, you need the plastic cradle 1205036;1437176875;ascii_field;or the jack is likely to break off 1205037;1437176894;ascii_field;if you have a peculiar drive that won't sit down in the cradle - post photo ? 1205038;1437176961;jurov;so you say Kingston SSDNow V300 2.5" drive will fit in the slit? that's not possible 1205039;1437176988;ascii_field;that is precisely the shape of the drive sitting in mine 1205040;1437177012;jurov;can you post photo of whole setup? 1205041;1437177041;ascii_field;i did, long ago; in the log 1205042;1437177045;ascii_field;presently digging for it 1205043;1437177078;jurov;that drive is 7cm wide and the slit in the cover is only 4.5cm 1205044;1437177106;ascii_field;jurov: you must have something very odd going on. plz post pic 1205045;1437177204;jurov;oh i get it now. the connector protrudes out of the cover 1205046;1437177239;ascii_field;jurov: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/jsp724/imgs/b/f/bf8da3a9.jpg << not mine - but this is what it will look like. 1205047;1437177243;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbg1fa ) 1205048;1437177280;danielpbarron;jurov, http://i.imgur.com/tm6nK30.jpg 1205049;1437177281;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbg5M7 ) 1205050;1437177299;jurov;ok 1205051;1437177362;jurov;danielpbarron: how much free space you have left? 1205052;1437177372;ascii_field;http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/jsp724/imgs/f/2/f22a61e7.jpg << can use with other shapes 1205053;1437177376;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbgduU ) 1205054;1437177401;mircea_popescu;well this was the sight of all time 1205055;1437177433;ascii_field;which 1205056;1437177433;danielpbarron;jurov, /dev/root 109G 58G 45G 57% / 1205057;1437177442;mircea_popescu;so the procuraderia de la nacion, which is basiucally the da's office, has this gated off entryway. in that entryway, stored two meters from the grating, eight five gallon plastic containers full of gasoline. 1205058;1437177465;mircea_popescu;nevermind that i dunno where it's even legal to store gasoline in plastic. 1205059;1437177478;ascii_field;^ sop in usa 1205060;1437177480;mircea_popescu;anyone can be a terrorist for the price of a quarter dollar cigar. 1205061;1437177504;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in eu you can go to jail for doing that. gotta use metal. 1205062;1437177535;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: which metal ? 1205063;1437177538;ascii_field;steel - sparks... 1205064;1437177565;mircea_popescu;there's an alloy 1205065;1437177568;mircea_popescu;i think its mostly tin 1205066;1437177640;ascii_field;in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can' 1205067;1437177654;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1205068;1437177669;mircea_popescu;yes, jerry can, that's the proper item 1205069;1437177702;ascii_field;also turns out that the other pogo (the one still in print) has internal sata 1205070;1437177821;mircea_popescu;how big ? 1205071;1437177841;ascii_field;empty jack 1205072;1437177901;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i c. 1205073;1437177931;mircea_popescu;spreading the news : http://31.media.tumblr.com/a4d16cb626a7d4213b9b6ae3500b296c/tumblr_n4vyxoGeid1txo69co1_500.gif 1205074;1437177933;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbh92v ) 1205075;1437178144;mircea_popescu;"Some people have been mailing me lately, random people asking me if their kids should go. It's expensive. Way expensive. Tough choice to make, even now, with Wizard Academy grads making anywhere from a quarter million to a million a year, while the rest of us plod away in 5-figure territory." 1205076;1437178147;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is he on about ? 1205077;1437178156;mircea_popescu;i guess im a later adopter than even yegge. 1205078;1437178260;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1205079;1437178270;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he was describing, i think, a fantasy 1205080;1437178293;mircea_popescu;by now it's impossible to tell satire from an obama speech. 1205081;1437178295;ascii_field;some sort of school 1205082;1437178396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00053131 = 19.074 BTC [-] {2} 1205083;1437178402;mircea_popescu;http://www.chapeldulcinea.org/are-you-guys-a-cult-or-what/ 1205084;1437178403;assbot;Chapel Dulcinea - The Free Wedding Chapel - Are You Guys a Cult, or What? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbhUbR ) 1205085;1437178449;mircea_popescu;"Roy Hollister Williams is a best selling author and marketing consultant best known for his Wizard of Ads trilogy. He is founder of the Wizard Academy institute and currently lives in Austin, Texas with his wife Pennie." 1205086;1437178454;mircea_popescu;wikipedia, ever so endearing. 1205087;1437179189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57620 @ 0.00051816 = 29.8564 BTC [-] 1205088;1437179515;jurov;!mpif 1205089;1437179516;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021447 B (Total: 426.11 B). Delta: 0.15 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] 1205090;1437179524;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1205091;1437179524;assbot;Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life. 1205092;1437179538;jurov;O 1205093;1437179860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00051453 = 12.0143 BTC [-] {2} 1205094;1437180203;mod6;<+ascii_field> in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can' << at some point in the last 6+ years, the USSA standardized the can. Now it seems you can only by 1 standard type of red-plastic gas can. And the f'ing pour spout does not work. It is a worthless pile of shit. It makes you twist and unlock it or some crazy shit. Now, I just throw the spout away, and pour through a funnel fro 1205095;1437180268;mod6;It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can. 1205096;1437180279;mod6; 1205097;1437180354;mod6;haha, "Welcome to socialism! Here's this new gas can to save your retard children from drinking it while you're off doing important things." 1205098;1437180409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13965 @ 0.00052392 = 7.3165 BTC [+] 1205099;1437180540;mod6;Oh and did I mention there's no rear breather hole to let the stream pour smoothly? 1205100;1437180546;mod6;Nope. 1205101;1437180570;mod6;srsly.what.in.the.fuck.is.happening.net 1205102;1437180666;mod6;this is the spout: i.ytimg.com/vi/nytxlA-G1Sk/maxresdefault.jpg 1205103;1437180742;danielpbarron;heh, that url resolves 1205104;1437180772;cazalla;mod6, that looks like a combi can, not sure 1205105;1437180877;mod6;ah, you know, just searching for it... looks like i can by a non-retarded gascan online easy enough. 1205106;1437180890;mod6;i feel like i've said all this before in here too, then jurov linked me to something lol. 1205107;1437180910;mod6;maybe i dreamed it 1205108;1437181015;mod6;this is what i really want: www.hearth.com/talk/attachments/img_0736-jpg.72703/ 1205109;1437181037;cazalla;google search shows it to be an eco but quite similar to a combi can.. seems to be user error imo :P 1205110;1437181063;mod6;yeah, eco can. im not the only one, search "new gas can sucks" 1205111;1437181080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00053986 = 25.0225 BTC [+] 1205112;1437181117;mod6;the first one i ever used i snapped the fucker while trying to unlock it... 1205113;1437181174;mod6;i was so mad. the girl didn't want to talk to me for 20 minutes because she said was laughing like i was insane. 1205114;1437181190;cazalla;never used an eco can so i can't say, i just use one of these http://i.imgur.com/hcbpjLY.jpg with a spout but when i was doing some chainsaw work, they had these newfangled combi cans and those things are awesome 1205115;1437181191;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzbBwC ) 1205116;1437181211;cazalla;a funnel i mean.. spout lol 1205117;1437181248;mod6;wow. that's different. 1205118;1437181279;cazalla;that is your typical petrol can found here 1205119;1437181299;cazalla;for your mower and whipper snipper anyway 1205120;1437181325;mod6;`whipper snipper' that's fantasic. im gonna call it that from now on. 1205121;1437181360;cazalla;what do you call it? 1205122;1437181373;danielpbarron;weed whacker 1205123;1437181377;mod6;here it's called `weed wacker' or 'weed whip' 1205124;1437181393;cazalla;nah mate, it's a whipper snipper 1205125;1437181399;mod6;that's so much better. 1205126;1437181418;mod6;this channel is awesome 1205127;1437181446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40770 @ 0.00054615 = 22.2665 BTC [+] 1205128;1437181787;trinque;lol wtf 1205129;1437181796;trinque;I just got a 500gb SSD in the mail supposedly for amazon 1205130;1437181817;trinque;for someone who does not live here... with no receipt or anything in the packaging 1205131;1437181824;mats;i bought one, it was 150 1205132;1437181830;mats;'Prime Day' 1205133;1437181833;trinque;sweet 1205134;1437181841;trinque;this drive is not getting plugged into shit 1205135;1437181854;mod6;tomato bath 1205136;1437181863;trinque;mod6: haha wassat? 1205137;1437181873;mats;does that work on SSDs? 1205138;1437181882;mats;suggested method to corrode mechanical drives 1205139;1437181885;trinque;ah 1205140;1437181885;mod6;ah, suppose not. 1205141;1437181889;mod6;melt with blowtorch 1205142;1437181903;mats;or just return it to sender 1205143;1437181911;trinque;yeah, going to call amazon and ask wtf 1205144;1437181914;mats;its expensive enough someone might go looking for it 1205145;1437181921;mod6;http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff 1205146;1437181922;assbot;Spy stuff on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mzckhw ) 1205147;1437181992;trinque;"As you can see, inasmuch as the seal has not been broken, the warranty still stands." << lol! 1205148;1437182056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00054277 = 6.079 BTC [-] {2} 1205149;1437182056;mod6;haha 1205150;1437182239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00053767 = 20.2433 BTC [-] 1205151;1437182284;decimation;mod6: http://lfb.org/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/ < of course, the reason for you gas can problems is usg 1205152;1437182287;assbot;How Government Wrecked the Gas Can ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzcGVc ) 1205153;1437182313;decimation;they didn't pass a law, they just made it known that making gas cans that vent to the atmosphere wouldn't make them very happy 1205154;1437182330;decimation;"There’s also the problem of the exploding can. On hot days, the plastic models to which this regulation applies can blow up like balloons. When you release the top, gas flies everywhere, including possibly on a hot engine. " 1205155;1437182484;mod6;bah, i've lived in one of the hottest places in the world. sure, the cans get bloated a bit. just don't stick your face 1" from the thing when opening the lid. simple. 1205156;1437182567;mod6;my favorite: "So for the last three years, you have not been able to buy gas cans that work properly. ..." 1205157;1437182619;mod6;and it is true, i spill much more gas pouring it out of the open mouth without shitsucker nozzle into a funnel with no goddamn breather hole. 1205158;1437182633;mod6;but fuck 'em 1205159;1437182666;trinque;mod6: yeah, lived in tx for a long time, had these 1205160;1437182670;trinque;you just peel the thing slowly 1205161;1437182682;trinque;though I never recall having one without a vent at all 1205162;1437182795;mod6;really? 1205163;1437182849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20508 @ 0.00054904 = 11.2597 BTC [+] {2} 1205164;1437182910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31589 @ 0.00055073 = 17.397 BTC [+] {2} 1205165;1437182926;trinque;yeah, mine had tiny pinhole vents with a plastic cover 1205166;1437182935;trinque;and then the spout on the other end 1205167;1437182953;trinque;they still bloated up though and hissed when you popped the vent 1205168;1437182964;mod6;typicall usg: take something that works perfectly well and then wreck the goddamnthing 1205169;1437183062;trinque;somebody probably knew somebody that made the tardspout 1205170;1437183089;mod6;oh ya 1205171;1437183178;mod6;what's also obnoxious about it, is now i cant easily pour gas on my fire like a normal person. 1205172;1437183214;mod6;i've got a wide mouth USG pos that would light my damn balls on fire in the process. 1205173;1437183241;trinque;heh for this and other reasons, bitcoin. 1205174;1437183257;mod6;so now i have to fill up a plastic/glass cup and then throw it in there from a distance. 1205175;1437183265;trinque;and really, is there any higher freedom than pyrotechnic freedom? 1205176;1437183274;mod6;im sayin'! 1205177;1437183311;asciilifeform;aha, got one of these pieces of shit 1205178;1437183336;asciilifeform;you can buy the nato-standard metal can (copy of nazi item) from various places. for now. 1205179;1437183337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00051453 = 21.8176 BTC [-] 1205180;1437183402;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 1205181;1437183418;trinque;how bout that, something that looks like a fucking tool 1205182;1437183427;*;trinque will have to see if the local army surplus has it 1205183;1437183455;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://imgur.com/RZjoXb9 << arm a9; 256M ram; 802.11; hdmi; usb 1205184;1437183456;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzdJ7E ) 1205185;1437183534;asciilifeform; It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can. << this is mega-lulzy because ~actual~ soviet gas cans were 100% metal, on the german pattern 1205186;1437183562;ben_vulpes;ikura desu ka, asciilifeform? 1205187;1437183575;ben_vulpes;how much does it cost, and does it *nix? 1205188;1437183613;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this one was ~17 usd (with postage) 1205189;1437183615;asciilifeform;and yes 1205190;1437183652;asciilifeform;(the plug in the picture was another few) 1205191;1437183668;ben_vulpes;goodness. usb hdmi and all. 1205192;1437183676;ben_vulpes;we can have wifi in the cardano after all! 1205193;1437183684;ben_vulpes;someone call spamgun. 1205194;1437183691;asciilifeform;l0l 1205195;1437183738;asciilifeform;this one is for item mentioned earlier, 'what is the barfiest hardware that might host a node' inquiry. 1205196;1437183833;ben_vulpes; in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period. 1205197;1437183840;ben_vulpes;witness car2go, zipcar, the whole nine. 1205198;1437183856;ben_vulpes;end game here is a share in a robo fleet. 1205199;1437183886;ben_vulpes;might even approach full utilization of the capital equipment that way, instead of this insane 1:1 car:butt ratio where they're mostly stationary all of the time. 1205200;1437184192;mod6;i like how ascii has the oldest looking deck of cards i've seen. 1205201;1437184211;ben_vulpes;probably brought them over himself. 1205202;1437184218;ben_vulpes;and not in the checked bags. 1205203;1437184226;mod6;he has a eye for antique stuff. 1205204;1437184258;mod6;when we were at the bazzar there was a bunch of neat trinkets 1205205;1437184355;mod6;ok so you use this miracast thing and you link up a 500gb usb drive, good to go? 1205206;1437184364;mod6;(is this like a google tv-like thing?) 1205207;1437184460;asciilifeform;mod6: still need to do a buildroot for this bugger 1205208;1437184487;asciilifeform;and also jurov pointed to a possible boojum (though i have seen account of others who did use usb storage with these) 1205209;1437184495;mod6;ah. ok. looks like this one im looking at on google is $13.46 is that about what the cost is? 1205210;1437184500;asciilifeform;varies 1205211;1437184510;mod6;sure, but about same cost as pogo? 1205212;1437184511;decimation;asciilifeform: worst case you can use it to watch turd tv 1205213;1437184513;asciilifeform;(depending on ram, single/dual/quad core cpu, etc) 1205214;1437184538;asciilifeform;decimation: the included fw doesn't display anything useful. just a menu where you can connect to local wifi 1205215;1437184549;decimation;what's the point then? 1205216;1437184566;asciilifeform;certain pnohes/tardablets are, i'm told, able to throw a picture to these things 1205217;1437184589;decimation;sounds usless 1205218;1437184591;asciilifeform;aha 1205219;1437184593;asciilifeform;hence cheap. 1205220;1437184599;asciilifeform;no one thinks 'it is a computer' 1205221;1437184614;decimation;I was reading my ham radio experimenters magazine today 1205222;1437184621;asciilifeform;but it's a linux box, slightly faster than 'pogo' 1205223;1437184649;decimation;the writer of an article was complaining that some of the designs featured in earlier articles are cranked out by chinese and sold on ebay 1205224;1437184655;decimation;in this case it was an LC meter I think 1205225;1437184662;asciilifeform;mod6: same cost as pogo - the castrato sata-less one - yes. but recall that pogo is a dwindling non-renewable resource 1205226;1437184678;asciilifeform;hence the slow, leisurely search for possible alternatives 1205227;1437184706;decimation;this guy http://www.dg5mk.de/pages/artikel/dg5mk-lcq-meter.php 1205228;1437184707;assbot;DG5MK - DG5MK LCQ-Meter ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9GIRB ) 1205229;1437184730;mod6;asciilifeform: very cool. 1205230;1437184740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052251 = 10.9727 BTC [+] 1205231;1437184741;mod6;how hard is gonna be to do a new buildroot for this one? 1205232;1437184780;asciilifeform;mod6: no idea yet 1205233;1437184806;mod6;*nod* 1205234;1437184815;asciilifeform;mod6: seems like the chinese units can be reflashed via usb; while google's 'chromecast', which is the exact same item but at double cost, has to be diddled via the on-board test points 1205235;1437184823;decimation;http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/tesla-announces-model-s-ludicrous-upgrade-90-kwh-battery/ < tesla figures out how to milk more cash from the only market they can: current owners 1205236;1437184824;assbot;Tesla announces Model S Ludicrous upgrade, 90-kWh battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9GM3N ) 1205237;1437184827;mod6;i'll give one a try as soon as it's built and ready to test. 1205238;1437184836;decimation;" 1205239;1437184838;decimation;Details for how Tesla can offer this quicker option can be found in CEO Elon Musk's blog post (available below), but the gist is that a new advanced smart fuse for the battery allows an increase in the maximum amp throughout from 1,300 to 1,500 amps. This will cost new buyers $10,000, but current P85D owners can get the upgrade pack electronics for $5,000 plus installation labor, for the next six months." 1205240;1437184864;asciilifeform;decimation: waitasec. 90kWh ? 1205241;1437184880;decimation;yeah, they stuff more lithium batteries I guess 1205242;1437184888;asciilifeform;nono, think 1205243;1437184911;asciilifeform;take an ordinary petrol engine 1205244;1437184913;asciilifeform;say, 100 horse 1205245;1437184930;asciilifeform;74600 W 1205246;1437184940;asciilifeform;so ~75kW 1205247;1437184947;decimation;that's the equivalent energy of about 2.5 gal of gas 1205248;1437184957;asciilifeform;and that's all you get in this mega-car ?! 1205249;1437184960;decimation;yep 1205250;1437184965;decimation;hey, it's better than 1 gal 1205251;1437184983;decimation;asciilifeform: batteries suck, what you gonna do 1205252;1437185000;decimation;if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution 1205253;1437185008;*;asciilifeform thought, for some odd reason, that 'tesla' included an astonishingly large battery 1205254;1437185011;decimation;^ save the laser fire in the streets 1205255;1437185017;decimation;no no 90 kwh is the 'upgrade' 1205256;1437185018;asciilifeform;and that it behaved somewhat like a proper car 1205257;1437185028;decimation;it does, for about 100 miles I think 1205258;1437185052;ben_vulpes;bwahaha 1205259;1437185069;ben_vulpes;i'll take the ancient corvette any day. 1205260;1437185071;mats;nah, does like 200-250mi in california iirc 1205261;1437185076;asciilifeform;i could, just possibly, get to office & back in this machine 1205262;1437185080;asciilifeform;if no radio and no headlights. 1205263;1437185085;ben_vulpes;or ac! 1205264;1437185088;asciilifeform;aha. 1205265;1437185103;asciilifeform;(and no heat. in petrol car, you get engine heat 'for phree' in wintertime) 1205266;1437185103;ben_vulpes;my ac is plumbed from the hydraulic system 1205267;1437185116;ben_vulpes;kills mileage 1205268;1437185117;decimation;yeah I suppose they have some kind of heat pump 1205269;1437185117;mats;http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=32557 << says 265mi when new 1205270;1437185119;assbot;Compare Side-by-Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9H0YK ) 1205271;1437185119;ben_vulpes;refrigerates 1205272;1437185125;ben_vulpes;god bless america. 1205273;1437185137;mats;which is almost half what a hybrid does. 1205274;1437185148;ben_vulpes;stop trying to disrupt the ice. 1205275;1437185154;ben_vulpes;it is terrifically good at what it does. 1205276;1437185155;decimation;there's only so much efficiency you can glean out of 2.5 gal of gas 1205277;1437185180;decimation;plus, unlike gas, it takes hours to 'fill' instead of seconds 1205278;1437185199;decimation;and the batteries get worse with age and cold 1205279;1437185228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9936 @ 0.00055096 = 5.4743 BTC [+] 1205280;1437185232;ben_vulpes;there's also the 'battery paste' stuff 1205281;1437185232;mats;i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind 1205282;1437185263;decimation;even if improved by a factor of 2x (energy density at the same cost) it would be a huge win 1205283;1437185269;ben_vulpes;why? 1205284;1437185278;ben_vulpes;just price gas out of everyone's hands. 1205285;1437185282;decimation;heh 1205286;1437185287;asciilifeform;mats: afaik, 'tesla' has done nothing whatsoever for battery tech 1205287;1437185297;ben_vulpes;no, seriously mats decimation. why improve batteries? 1205288;1437185300;decimation;no there was a 'tesla teardown' I linked here awhile ago 1205289;1437185309;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: laser pistolz! 1205290;1437185316;asciilifeform;why else. 1205291;1437185320;decimation;ben_vulpes: there are loads of applications that become possible if you have portable high energy source 1205292;1437185326;ben_vulpes;such as? 1205293;1437185328;decimation;like lazer pistols 1205294;1437185336;decimation;or 500 mile range electric cars 1205295;1437185337;ben_vulpes;and what i ask again is wrong with bullets. 1205296;1437185342;ben_vulpes;or the ice. 1205297;1437185347;mod6;cell phones that last longer than 8 hours. 1205298;1437185355;decimation;or home energy storage 1205299;1437185360;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: recall the thread about 'brass is made at izhevsk' ? 1205300;1437185361;ben_vulpes;the cell phone was a bad branch on the tech tree. 1205301;1437185363;mats;well, this is thinking small, but i'd like a 'smartphone' that runs longer than 24h 1205302;1437185365;asciilifeform;that's what's wrong with bullet. 1205303;1437185374;ben_vulpes;well, tablet phone. 1205304;1437185383;ben_vulpes;startac did no wrong 1205305;1437185385;decimation;or double the power for the processor at the same lifetime 1205306;1437185387;ben_vulpes;razr did no wrong 1205307;1437185403;decimation;;;lasers 1205308;1437185404;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 1205309;1437185405;ben_vulpes;i'm growing fond of mp and alf's attitudes towards workstations. 1205310;1437185411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00053475 = 5.9357 BTC [-] {2} 1205311;1437185432;ben_vulpes;laptops are going to become more and more impenetrable boxes of turdware. 1205312;1437185435;decimation;the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid 1205313;1437185437;ben_vulpes;unrepairable, unimproveable. 1205314;1437185442;ben_vulpes;decimation: and ergonomics! 1205315;1437185446;ben_vulpes;decimation: and security! 1205316;1437185453;decimation;the last bit I'm not sure about 1205317;1437185455;ben_vulpes;decimation: and power! 1205318;1437185461;decimation;agreed 1205319;1437185487;ben_vulpes;you do not get the F1 engine power when derping around like armadillo. 1205320;1437185507;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> decimation: and security! << at lesat you can easily rip out the shit you don't want. as opposed to debate weather or not to get rid of the screen. 1205321;1437185523;ben_vulpes;i mean physical security, but sure. 1205322;1437185532;ben_vulpes;vaultputer, so to speak. 1205323;1437185550;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: speaking of 1205324;1437185559;ben_vulpes;mhm? 1205325;1437185570;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'vaultputer' - recall the ancient thread re: nuke test compliance geosensors ? 1205326;1437185588;decimation;even vaultputer needs i/o 1205327;1437185595;mircea_popescu;mod6 lol wut! 1205328;1437185599;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: can take small computer, instrument with geophones, etc, and pour cement. 1205329;1437185599;mircea_popescu;that looks retarded 1205330;1437185608;decimation;https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DiG9qANf5PA "Something you did recently has been an unmitigated disaster. Of the roughly 1000 spam threads I've gone through so far, right now 228 threads were incorrectly marked as spam." 1205331;1437185609;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrKT3I ) 1205332;1437185623;decimation;^ Linus bitching about gmail 1205333;1437185643;ben_vulpes;decimation: they are now refusing to mark spam for me. 1205334;1437185647;mod6;mircea_popescu: wifi antennas 1205335;1437185652;ben_vulpes;i suspect that fitbit is paying to get through their filter. 1205336;1437185658;mircea_popescu; this channel is awesome << bwahahyaha okay. 1205337;1437185662;decimation;I thought the whole point of spam was to force you onto gmail 1205338;1437185687;asciilifeform;^ 1205339;1437185759;asciilifeform;'It wouldnt surprise me to find, for example, a sudden proliferation of heavy-duty water cans in 1- and 5-gallon sizes, complete with nice spouts and vents, looking almost exactly like the gas cans you could get anywhere just a few years ago. How very interesting to discover this. Of course, this law-abiding writer would never advocate buying one of these and using it for some purpose other than what is written on the 1205340;1437185759;asciilifeform; package. Doing something like that would show profound disrespect for our betters in the bureaucracies. And if I did suggest something like that, theres no telling the trouble that it would bring down on my head.' 1205341;1437185761;asciilifeform;^ l0lz! 1205342;1437185793;asciilifeform;'Ask yourself this: If they can wreck such a normal and traditional item like this, and do it largely under the radar screen, what else have they mandatorily malfunctioned? How many other things in our daily lives have been distorted, deformed and destroyed by government regulations? If some product annoys you in surprising ways, theres a good chance that it is not the invisible hand at work, but rather the regulatory grip 1205343;1437185794;asciilifeform;that is squeezing the life out of civilization itself.' 1205344;1437185828;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: do you know where this file resides? 6. Compile Eulora Add the following line to ~/.bash_profile: 1205345;1437185845;asciilifeform;^ actually 9 out of 10 times that i smash some piece of shit from sheer contempt, it is because of chinafication and 'market' penny-shaving, rather than direct usg mandated suck 1205346;1437185850;mircea_popescu;i dont but try find -name bash.profile ? 1205347;1437185881;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from what i gather the proposition is that these aren't different. 1205348;1437185885;mod6;next they'll sell us a toothbrush that doubles as a jackhammer. won't need to prop up the dental insurance companies any more, no one will have any more cavity laden teeth. 1205349;1437185900;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is just so. but i don't think the fella who wrote the linked piece, would agree 1205350;1437185908;mircea_popescu;it has a little leg to stand on, at least. inasmuch as usg claims a mandate to regulate everything, every failure of regulation is on their head. 1205351;1437185934;mircea_popescu;well, what people do and what people mean to do may diverge, but nobody cares about the latter. the fellow who wrote it necessarily agrees, in the writing. 1205352;1437185966;asciilifeform;the gas can item is notable for the sheer ham-handedness of the usgification 1205353;1437185973;asciilifeform;normally they find some way to 'market-wash' the suck 1205354;1437185984;asciilifeform;make it seem inevitable, wholesome, capitalistic. 1205355;1437186006;asciilifeform;like that chinese flashlight, with micro and eeprom 1205356;1437186016;*;asciilifeform learned that he still has the pieces of that thing, in a box, somewhere 1205357;1437186023;decimation;or the phasing out of proper refrigerant 1205358;1437186042;asciilifeform;^ nah, that was quite a bit more like the fuel cna 1205359;1437186044;asciilifeform;can 1205360;1437186048;decimation;heh true 1205361;1437186056;asciilifeform;'envirowhinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly.' -- uncle al 1205362;1437186091;mircea_popescu;or the incredibly colonialist "now that the third world can produce lightbulbs, it's time to 'move on' to a toxic 'alternative' that looks god awful and will poison the immediate environment with mercury" 1205363;1437186099;mats;fake pyrex 1205364;1437186109;mats;le sigh 1205365;1437186110;mircea_popescu;imo that's the top of the list of that stupid shit, and it's not even usian 1205366;1437186115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and when they gear up to blow the glass, fill it up? time for white led 1205367;1437186120;asciilifeform;full of rare earths 1205368;1437186137;mircea_popescu;yes. the lightbulb scandal is the one thing to hang people for. 1205369;1437186143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76174 @ 0.00055117 = 41.9848 BTC [+] {2} 1205370;1437186145;mircea_popescu;actually even above the "global warming" sham. 1205371;1437186150;asciilifeform;the white led has got to be an asian revenge for the ccfl though 1205372;1437186155;asciilifeform;usa is poor in rare earths 1205373;1437186169;mircea_popescu;usa is poor in anything but bison. 1205374;1437186183;asciilifeform;until recently - helium was a u.s. monopoly 1205375;1437186207;asciilifeform;but it was spent. (how? homeland severity! neutron detectors at border checkpoints, $maxint) 1205376;1437186227;decimation;actually they have plenty of them in the ground, it's just not very profitablel to mine/process 1205377;1437186244;asciilifeform;it's a decay daughter 1205378;1437186251;asciilifeform;so only so much of it in there, at one time. 1205379;1437186329;decimation;no I meant the rare earths, helium is a problem 1205380;1437186348;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you recall the philips cartel? the history of 'squeeze the third world out of light bulbs' is almost a century long ! 1205381;1437186355;decimation;really there's no 'running out' of any element - just 'no longer cheap' 1205382;1437186374;asciilifeform;japan was supplying 'cartel-breaking' edisonian bulbs, to the great annoyance of cartel, in the '30s iirc 1205383;1437186395;asciilifeform;made largely by hand, in ragtag workshops 1205384;1437186422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205196 << eh bs. 1205385;1437186422;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 01:43:53; ben_vulpes: in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period. 1205386;1437186434;mircea_popescu;usians are going away. not to be confused with actual trends for actual people. 1205387;1437186482;mats;http://sphincs.cr.yp.to/index.html 1205388;1437186483;assbot;SPHINCS:Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrMjvk ) 1205389;1437186536;trinque;"Special note to law-enforcement agents" << sad that they felt this needed to be said 1205390;1437186539;mats;>Special note to law-enforcement agents: ... We are not talking about eliminating other types of states. We love most states, especially yours! Also, "hash" is another technical term and has nothing to do with cannabis. 1205391;1437186542;trinque;heh yeah 1205392;1437186550;decimation;"Signatures are 41 KB"!! 1205393;1437186594;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: proles are people nao? 1205394;1437186596;mircea_popescu;"including bigger batteries and a quicker acceleration mode, called "Ludicrous." That option will take the car from zero to 60 miles per hour in 2.8 seconds. During the hold music for the online press conference, the automaker played some of Ludacris' music" 1205395;1437186617;decimation;mircea_popescu: what else you expect, selling baubles to idiots? 1205396;1437186618;mircea_popescu;bunch of retarded fucking monkeys. http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/v/19733f9b5da9864601475a8ba7c48a8d3e902be4/img/editors/sebastian-blanco.jpg << this inept fuckwit really thought THAT is what needs to be reported. 1205397;1437186619;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrMqqG ) 1205398;1437186626;mircea_popescu;do they even have schools in usia anymore ? 1205399;1437186648;decimation;it's the human angle, see 1205400;1437186670;mircea_popescu;mats could have been lol but it lost me at "post-quantum" 1205401;1437186686;mircea_popescu;i see the monkey angle there, is the thing ;/ 1205402;1437186693;mats;but, djb 1205403;1437186733;mircea_popescu;;;ud djb 1205404;1437186733;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=djb | Not Djb or DJB but sometimes d~J~b. Looks better in dresses than I do. ._. 1205405;1437186739;decimation;lol 1205406;1437186744;mats;Daniel J Bernstein 1205407;1437186767;mircea_popescu;o that guy. mkay. 1205408;1437186805;ben_vulpes;i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla 1205409;1437186842;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205248 << been pointed out to death, this, but somehow the 75k fucktards who bought it just glaze over and it flies past them and everyone else knew already so doesn't care. 1205410;1437186842;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 02:02:37; asciilifeform: and that's all you get in this mega-car ?! 1205411;1437186864;mircea_popescu;anyway. yes, electric car is a piece of shit submarine-airplane joint nonsense, specifically because there is no battery equivalent of fuel. 1205412;1437186907;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205252 << if ~ terrorists would also use batteries instead of bombs. 1205413;1437186907;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 02:03:20; decimation: if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution 1205414;1437186925;decimation;good point 1205415;1437186967;decimation;or they would just laser-cut their way through 'strong points' 1205416;1437186975;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205281 << i'm cheering for that anon schmuck working on a perpetuum mobile to succeed too. 1205417;1437186975;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 02:07:12; mats: i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind 1205418;1437186983;mircea_popescu;the problem is, idiots working on wrong problems are not a net win for humanity. 1205419;1437187000;decimation;yeah is there any evidence he has improved batteries or is even working on it? 1205420;1437187010;mircea_popescu;which incidentally, since you don't ask, is exactly how love and hate works in this channel. 1205421;1437187019;mircea_popescu;the more resources one throws at a wrong problem, the more thoroughly reviled. 1205422;1437187023;mircea_popescu;the converse also holds. 1205423;1437187023;gernika;Incidentally, I had the completely opposite impression that Tesla was catching on - having recently seen Tesla recharging stations at a Holiday Inn in Winnemucca. Seems I should have weighted more heavily the fact that -- no one was using them. 1205424;1437187088;mircea_popescu;decimation well, hes improved the mass production part. 1205425;1437187100;mircea_popescu;you can now get a 70kwh battery for cheaper than in 1995. 1205426;1437187140;decimation;yeah I linked a teardown awhile ago - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2014#837328 1205427;1437187140;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2014 17:12:50; decimation: asciilifeform: some guy bought a 'salvaged Tesla' and did a teardown of the battery pack: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/34934-Pics-Info-Inside-the-battery-pack 1205428;1437187146;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205312 << no. the main advantage is the screwdriver. 1205429;1437187146;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 02:10:35; decimation: the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid 1205430;1437187182;mircea_popescu;decimation yeah. and the impression i got, from there an' everywhyere lese, is exactlly this : neat execution, uninnovative. 1205431;1437187190;mircea_popescu;there's nothing new there but they made it cleanly. 1205432;1437187197;decimation;yeah, just a big package of standard lithium batteries 1205433;1437187221;mircea_popescu;now if the us could just get over itself collectively and reach the humility of chinese peasants cca 1970, the us would be all ready to be china thirty years ago. 1205434;1437187233;mircea_popescu;people like that black dude in wc metro are actually helping. 1205435;1437187285;decimation;the liberal elite are trying the hardest to avert their eyes from him 1205436;1437187307;mircea_popescu;this "liberal elite" thing... 1205437;1437187324;mircea_popescu;i dunno that the us has an elite. merely a perception of such a thing does not cosntitute one. 1205438;1437187345;mircea_popescu;who exactly, outside of that idiot mit kid, actually says "we are the elite and move out of our way" ? 1205439;1437187361;decimation;somebody fills the plum book, decides what the ny times prints, prints usd, etc 1205440;1437187378;mircea_popescu;if i go up to obama and take a leak on his shoes he's going to say "that's inappropriate" isn't he. 1205441;1437187383;mircea_popescu;or "that wasn't necessary" or some bs. 1205442;1437187385;mircea_popescu;what elite ? 1205443;1437187394;mats;http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120041623 1205444;1437187395;assbot;Charge Rate Modulation of Metal-Air Cells as a Function of Ambient Oxygen Concentration - Patent application ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrNhHP ) 1205445;1437187410;decimation;you would be tackled and arrested (by 'his' people) 1205446;1437187424;mircea_popescu;and charged with anything but "failing to respect the elite" 1205447;1437187432;mircea_popescu;which is the tell tale sign of the absence of such an elite. 1205448;1437187440;mircea_popescu;im all for prosecuting them AS IF THEY WERE, it's right and proper. 1205449;1437187443;mircea_popescu;but that aside : they aren't. 1205450;1437187461;mats;am not an expert by any means but this air-metal stuff looks 'next gen' 1205451;1437187462;decimation;they certainly pretend to it 1205452;1437187470;mircea_popescu;not in so many words. 1205453;1437187512;mircea_popescu;unaware, unready, unprepared and undesirious. 1205454;1437187519;mircea_popescu;an elite in all senses of the term that are negative. 1205455;1437187527;mats;http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120041625 1205456;1437187529;assbot;Efficient Dual Source Battery Pack System for an Electric Vehicle - Patent application ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrNv1I ) 1205457;1437187552;gernika;Who was the last known elite person in usia? Someone in the Sicilian mafia? (serious) 1205458;1437187590;decimation;mats: people have been coming up with battery tech for ages, with incremental improvement. I hope they can actually produce it 1205459;1437187596;mats;I tend to think of the Kochs when 'elite' comes to mind 1205460;1437187604;mircea_popescu;gernika possibly the psoriasis banker guy 1205461;1437187629;decimation;mats: the Kochs are universally reviled by the east coast set 1205462;1437187663;mircea_popescu;i imagine the sentiment is mutual. 1205463;1437187705;TomServo;h 1205464;1437187717;mats;how about the Kennedys, then 1205465;1437187743;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1166/netflix-inc-will-trade-at-least-790-usd/ wut a bet. 1205466;1437187744;assbot;BitBet - Netflix Inc will trade at least 790 USD per share before July 24th :: 1.26 B (21%) on Yes, 4.64 B (79%) on No | closed 23 hours 38 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbt0xs ) 1205467;1437187761;mircea_popescu;mats the kennedys never went out with a "we're better than you, so do it this way" 1205468;1437187768;mircea_popescu;i suppose you can count the moon thing, if you wish. 1205469;1437187770;gernika;!s psoriasis 1205470;1437187771;assbot;3 results for 'psoriasis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=psoriasis 1205471;1437187777;mircea_popescu;gernika jpmorgan. 1205472;1437187796;mircea_popescu;how goes TomServo 1205473;1437187820;gernika;ah so it's been over 100 years. 1205474;1437187823;williamdunne;What on earth made them think that they would go that high 1205475;1437187856;mats;yeah wtf is this bet? NFLX is at 114 1205476;1437187875;hanbot;mats mind the 7/1 split 1205477;1437187904;mircea_popescu;look who's not following teh market >D 1205478;1437187938;mats;o, what's the ticker for the other 1205479;1437187953;phf;i thought in u.s. liberal elite is a keyboard for professorial types with feminist wives, who go to opera and listen to npr 1205480;1437187958;williamdunne;that makes sense 1205481;1437187972;phf;*keyword 1205482;1437187987;mats;nvm 1205483;1437187999;decimation;phf: yes, the same ones who staff usg bureaucracies and corporations 1205484;1437188098;phf;decimation: "we like to listen to tchaikovsky. incidently alexander berzshinkiy is playing our favorite tchaikovsky works at kennedy center next month." 1205485;1437188107;hanbot;the same ones who'd buy a keyboard cause it's called 'elite' 1205486;1437188179;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, middle aged men looking about as sad as the nayor of mew york. 1205487;1437188191;mircea_popescu;such an iconic image, that. 1205488;1437188224;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-elephant-in-the-room/#selection-51.1-51.8 << there. that's your "liberal elite" 1205489;1437188225;assbot;The elephant in the room on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrOqz9 ) 1205490;1437188242;mircea_popescu;in a shitty 70s suit, looking like they won the zoo lottery and it's more monkeys. 1205491;1437188260;decimation;what do you expect? being carried in the streets in a litter? 1205492;1437188281;mircea_popescu;if that's what elite is... 1205493;1437188351;mircea_popescu;if anyone wonders what "lich" in that pic is, http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2015/06/8570923/lich-act-passes-assembly 1205494;1437188352;assbot;LICH Act passes Assembly | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbtsf3 ) 1205495;1437188356;mircea_popescu;apparently NEEDS MATTER!111 1205496;1437188420;decimation;it's more complicated than you might think. in many us states it is against the law to build a hospital unless you 'prove' that there's a 'need' for one 1205497;1437188470;decimation;http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/con-certificate-of-need-state-laws.aspx "In 1964, New York became the first state to enact a statute granting the state government power to determine whether there was a need for any new hospital or nursing home before it was approved for construction." 1205498;1437188511;mircea_popescu;the notion of "approved" for construction is foreign to my mental universe. 1205499;1437188541;mircea_popescu;ima build a fucking wizard tower on my own land if i feel so inclined, and if anyone doesn't like it ima add cannons to it. 1205500;1437188559;decimation;^ that's highly illegal in nearly all locales in the us 1205501;1437188567;decimation;especially if the plans are unapproved 1205502;1437188591;mircea_popescu;i guess neartly all locales in the us are fortunate i don't give a shiot about building anything there. 1205503;1437188632;decimation;some places in rural bumfuck you can do it though: http://www.sangres.com/colorado/national-forests/sanisabel/bishopcastle.htm 1205504;1437188633;assbot;Bishops Castle ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrOQFL ) 1205505;1437188757;TheNewDeal;mp, I've got a talented phocomelus that can man your wizard tower. 5 star techie 1205506;1437188783;decimation;" If you do stop and talk to Jim, you'll discover that the hardest work in the whole project was fending off all kinds of attacks on him and his work coming from the federal government and the National Forest Service: he's on private property but he's surrounded by National Forest and the feds want complete control of everything. In Jim's words: the only thing they haven't done is they haven't shot him, yet." 1205507;1437188797;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal cool! 1205508;1437188827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00054358 = 9.7301 BTC [-] 1205509;1437188848;mircea_popescu;decimation adding that nonsense to the porcfest nonsense (or was it burning man ?) i'll lol once every house in the us has to have a special bathroom for any visiting cops 1205510;1437188854;mircea_popescu;that the residents may not use 1205511;1437188943;TheNewDeal;that was required by 3rd amendment v2.0 1205512;1437188954;TheNewDeal;must haz cops 1205513;1437188959;decimation;yeah it was burning man when usg agent demanded royal tent serviced by servants 1205514;1437189028;decimation;the powerpoint even demanded that the thing be called 'blue pit' 1205515;1437189059;mircea_popescu;and to think 99% odds are all these shenanigans is because the sexually deprived twerp was trying to get laid with some marginally fuckable middle aged woman. 1205516;1437189177;decimation;he kinda implied he was better than 'little people', does that make him elite? 1205517;1437189351;mircea_popescu;did he say it ? 1205518;1437189385;mircea_popescu;you gotta ask the girl out to be a man. that's the bar. you don't ask, you're not a man. you hint at her you might like to, you're a lesbian trapped in a transsexual's body, not a man. 1205519;1437189388;mircea_popescu;elite works the same way. 1205520;1437189435;decimation;I doubt there was a blank on the permit form that allowed one to declare one's superiority 1205521;1437189452;mircea_popescu;which is why form pushers can never be elite. 1205522;1437189458;mircea_popescu;clerks are clerks. 1205523;1437189474;mircea_popescu;they can hang as elite, sure. a hare can hang as a fox. 1205524;1437189485;mircea_popescu;but it can never BE a fox, while living. nor can these pencilnecks be elite. 1205525;1437189666;decimation;in this sense, the us is like a jealous mob - always keeping one eye out for the unforgivable crime of trying to clamour above the others 1205526;1437189686;mircea_popescu;well, democracy. 1205527;1437189692;mircea_popescu;;;seen xemist 1205528;1437189692;gribble;I have not seen xemist. 1205529;1437189722;TheNewDeal;an envious lot, I think jealousy goes to far... implies too much work 1205530;1437189777;TheNewDeal;methinks* 1205531;1437189882;mircea_popescu;what's your definition of jealousy ? 1205532;1437189908;TheNewDeal;you know. Seeing pencilneck prick drive a jaguar down the road. Slober at him, then go home and watch tv to forget 1205533;1437189918;mircea_popescu;and envy ? 1205534;1437189929;TheNewDeal;ah shite 1205535;1437189933;mircea_popescu;lol yw. 1205536;1437189935;decimation;;;dict envy 1205537;1437189936;gribble;wn: envy n 1: a feeling of grudging admiration and desire to have something that is possessed by another [syn: {envy}, {enviousness}] 2: spite and resentment at seeing the success of another (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: {envy}, {invidia}] v 1: feel envious towards; admire enviously 2: be envious of; set one's heart on [syn: {envy}, {begrudge}] 1205538;1437189936;TheNewDeal;that was my envious example 1205539;1437189943;decimation;;;dict jealousy 1205540;1437189944;gribble;wn: jealousy n 1: a feeling of jealous envy (especially of a rival) [syn: {jealousy}, {green-eyed monster}] 2: zealous vigilance; "cherish their official political freedom with fierce jealousy"-Paul Blanshard 1205541;1437189967;TheNewDeal;I was thinking jealous should be the superlative 1205542;1437189970;mircea_popescu;i ask because this is a fine example of english being a pigdin, where dictionaries don't define and nothing means anything specific 1205543;1437189975;TheNewDeal;;;ud jealous 1205544;1437189975;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jealous | For instance, envious/jealous behavior such as a friend has a nice new car and instead of being truly happy for them you badmouth them or the car or make up ... 1205545;1437189980;mircea_popescu;in sane languaged jealousy is sexual and envy material 1205546;1437189991;mircea_popescu;but apparently that's not widely known in english. 1205547;1437190024;danielpbarron;i thought it was that you're jealous of your own things and envious of other people's things 1205548;1437190024;TheNewDeal;whats that one commandment about neighbor's wives? 1205549;1437190042;mircea_popescu;"make sure they're always pregnant" ? 1205550;1437190069;decimation;;;dict covet 1205551;1437190070;gribble;wn: covet v 1: wish, long, or crave for (something, especially the property of another person); "She covets her sister's house" 1205552;1437190070;TheNewDeal;covet 1205553;1437190071;phf;covet 1205554;1437190074;TheNewDeal;that's the ticket 1205555;1437190077;phf;ha 1205556;1437190096;mircea_popescu;may be a false friend, it comes from a time when wives were just another kind of chattel. 1205557;1437190101;TheNewDeal;a person's wife is obviously their property. This material vs sexual is getting to intermingled 1205558;1437190108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89350 @ 0.00054796 = 48.9602 BTC [+] {5} 1205559;1437190110;mircea_popescu;don't covet another man's fleet of ships, gaggle of cunts or flock of deer. 1205560;1437190119;mircea_popescu;this obviousness doth not follow. 1205561;1437190143;TheNewDeal;have you published an actual 10 commandments yet? We need a v1.0 1205562;1437190157;mircea_popescu;i don't believe in the prescriptive approach. 1205563;1437190158;TheNewDeal;not some fairytale nonsense 1205564;1437190207;TheNewDeal;It can be something cheesy along the lines of the native american 10 commandments http://www.nativevillage.org/Inspiration-/ten_native_american_commandments.htm 1205565;1437190208;assbot;The Ten Native American Commandments ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6jLhh ) 1205566;1437190233;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this respect 1205567;1437190252;TheNewDeal;like in da Ali G sense 1205568;1437190272;mircea_popescu;http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/04/29/the-ten-commandments-of-liberalism-n1830696 1205569;1437190274;assbot;The Ten Commandments Of Liberalism - John Hawkins - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6jKdc ) 1205570;1437190283;mircea_popescu;http://www.getfrank.co.nz/editorial/features/the-10-commandments-for-drinking-like-a-man 1205571;1437190284;assbot;The 10 Commandments For Drinking Like a Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6jQ4i ) 1205572;1437190290;mircea_popescu;check it out - everything on the internet is a list now. 1205573;1437190296;TheNewDeal;truly 1205574;1437190313;mircea_popescu;pretty sad indictment of the intellectual capacity of the people behind it. 1205575;1437190328;TheNewDeal;usians crave buzzfeed and chive, nothing more, nothing less 1205576;1437190333;mircea_popescu;even english lit professors a few decades ago would have laughed this pedestrian bullshit out of class. 1205577;1437190344;decimation;http://spinroot.com/p10/ 1205578;1437190345;assbot;The Power of Ten -- Rules for Writing Safety Critical Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrQQh7 ) 1205579;1437190352;mircea_popescu;"oh, you have no clue about composition so take refuge in the bullet point ? go back to the hoe." 1205580;1437190473;TheNewDeal;60 lines, what kind of piss-ass function is this? takes that many to clear the registers and program counter 1205581;1437190486;TheNewDeal;update the PC 1205582;1437190577;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X178JL8Gr2U 1205583;1437190578;assbot;The Notorious B.I.G (Ten Crack Commandments) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrRawh ) 1205584;1437190581;mircea_popescu;" Snapping, clapping, yelling, whistling or just general rudeness to someone waiting on you are a sure sign to anyone in your company that if they spend enough time around you, youll eventually treat them with the same selfish nonchalance and disdain that you treat those who are paid to be nice to you." 1205585;1437190583;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. 1205586;1437190613;mircea_popescu;someone "paid to be nice^H^H^H^H be my servant who fucks up his DUTIES is going to be called to task. before a sound beating. 1205587;1437190628;mircea_popescu;and yes, anyone else contemplating the same position'd better get in their skulls that no, they don't get to fuck around on the job. 1205588;1437190642;mircea_popescu;here we sit discussing "elites" in a space that doesn't even know how to keep the servants in line 1205589;1437190655;mircea_popescu;or more importantly, that there IS such a thing as servants, and such a thing as a line for them to keep to. 1205590;1437190664;mircea_popescu;what fucking elite. start by keeping a household. 1205591;1437190668;mircea_popescu;elite comes a century thereafter. 1205592;1437190686;decimation;levelers gotta level 1205593;1437190687;TheNewDeal;it's a land of servants, and the alleged elites are house-negros 1205594;1437190725;mircea_popescu;anyways. off to look for slithy toves. 1205595;1437190728;mircea_popescu;the life i lead... 1205596;1437190736;punkman;do they still make english butlers? 1205597;1437190761;ag3nt_zer0;well I just spent a few hours following that eulora mac guide and last 2 steps yielded this: Install1 /usr/local/eulora/lib/libxdelta3-0.0.a ...failed updating 4 target(s)... ...skipped 8 target(s)... ...updated 15 target(s)... xxxx-Mac-mini:eulora MacMini$ ./euclient -bash: ./euclient: cannot execute binary file 1205598;1437190786;ag3nt_zer0;so think I am done as I don't know what the hell I am doing 1205599;1437190828;decimation;early yarvin had a point about this: "You are a Catholic. Your parents were Catholics. You were educated by Catholics. You are governed by Catholics. All your friends are Catholics. All the books you've ever read were written by Catholics. 1205600;1437190829;TheNewDeal;just pay someone here to do it 1205601;1437190836;decimation;"How do you convince this guy or gal that the answer to all the world's problems is not "more Catholicism"? How do you say, um, dude, this Trinity thing - the virgin birth - transsubstantiation... ya know... 1205602;1437190876;TheNewDeal;who's those yarvin character? 1205603;1437190949;TheNewDeal;and for the record punkman, the 10 crack commandments shouldn't be grouped with the liberal buzzfeed nonsense, because that's legitmate knowledge passed down by a semi-respectable ruffian 1205604;1437190993;ben_vulpes;more like a jester, retelling stories he heard knights bandying about 1205605;1437191017;*;ben_vulpes to numb the family-in-law with more booze 1205606;1437191076;decimation;TheNewDeal: it's mencius moldbug: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/04/case-against-democracy-ten-red-pills.html 1205607;1437191077;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: The case against democracy: ten red pills ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6kkrh ) 1205608;1437191090;punkman;TheNewDeal: yeah those 10 are not so bad 1205609;1437191093;TheNewDeal;never heard him referred to as yarvin 1205610;1437191105;decimation;it's his real name, curtis yarvin 1205611;1437191113;TheNewDeal;doxxed! 1205612;1437191127;TheNewDeal;I jest 1205613;1437191465;TheNewDeal;decimation I had a friend convice me quite shortly after being confirmed as a Catholic. Just need to be open-minded. Tough for a large majority of sheeple 1205614;1437191468;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: In Romanian is new and first the same word? 1205615;1437191493;williamdunne;ignore me 1205616;1437191501;williamdunne;Trying to work out why a translation is so poor 1205617;1437191540;decimation;TheNewDeal: I have no problem with catholics, but what's not obvious from what I pasted is that moldbug is making a point about being submerged in a particular point of view from birth 1205618;1437191559;decimation;usians know nothing other than rabid egalitarianism 1205619;1437191561;*;danielpbarron has a problem with catholics 1205620;1437191605;decimation;heh yeah I'm not a fan of the pope and the authority of the church over scripture 1205621;1437191673;TheNewDeal;egalitarianism is the biggest epic fail of usian existence 1205622;1437191734;TheNewDeal;but hey, write it on a few pieces of parchment, print it on the money, and it must be true 1205623;1437192426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00055244 = 38.2288 BTC [+] {2} 1205624;1437192483;TheNewDeal;I must stfu and catch up on many a log. May be looking to resell part of a bitbet in the near future (approx 1 week from now). Keep that in mind if it sparks your interest 1205625;1437192492;danielpbarron;!up Bingo_bar 1205626;1437192536;Bingo_bar;Oh I wish Zimbabwe were in dixie 1205627;1437192544;Bingo_bar;Hooray 1205628;1437192551;Bingo_bar;Hooray 1205629;1437192621;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/The_Destruction_of_the_Christian_Tradition_Part_1-by_Rama_Coomaraswamy.aspx 1205630;1437192623;assbot;"The Destruction of the Christian Tradition (Part 1)" - an essay by Rama Coomaraswamy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HF593L ) 1205631;1437192658;TheNewDeal;!down 1205632;1437192666;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal 1205633;1437192674;Bingo_bar;Oh I wish I were in Dixie land to take my stand. 1205634;1437192704;Bingo_bar;To live or die in dixie 1205635;1437192743;Bingo_bar;Hooray 1205636;1437192747;Bingo_bar;Hooray 1205637;1437192798;Bingo_bar;I wish I were in Dixie 1205638;1437192801;decimation;Bingo_bar: you at stone mountain? 1205639;1437192807;Bingo_bar;Hooray 1205640;1437192811;Bingo_bar;Hooray 1205641;1437192817;decimation;!down Bingo_bar 1205642;1437192826;decimation;!up lolballz 1205643;1437192918;lolballz;bb found the jukebox? 1205644;1437192926;decimation;!up Bingo_bar 1205645;1437192929;Bingo_bar;Niggers, too many here 1205646;1437192949;Bingo_bar;I wish 1205647;1437193014;Bingo_bar;Anyone here loan me a dead bigger for storage 1205648;1437193036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70095 @ 0.00053227 = 37.3095 BTC [-] {4} 1205649;1437193159;lolballz;2@37.5 bb 1205650;1437193162;williamdunne;Is there a sign saying dead nigger storage? 1205651;1437193648;lolballz;rock out 1205652;1437193767;lolballz;with yer cock out 1205653;1437193844;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/07/1-7B-anonymous-comments.htm << lulzy re: 'reddit' et al 1205654;1437193844;assbot;1.7 billion "anonymous" comments from 5% of the internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HF6O9w ) 1205655;1437193844;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1205656;1437194174;lolballz;ziggy played guitar 1205657;1437194191;punkman;I need more disks 1205658;1437194213;punkman;with all the terrabyte sized datasets floating around 1205659;1437194622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00051835 = 11.5333 BTC [-] 1205660;1437195227;punkman;http://atechdad.com/Deanonymizing-Darknet-Data/ 1205661;1437195228;assbot;Deanonymizing Darknet Data · atechdad ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcPlLx ) 1205662;1437195274;punkman;(fellow finds GPS coords in images from that darknet dataset linked yesterday) 1205663;1437195399;punkman;!up lolballz 1205664;1437195562;lolballz;u greeks brew nice beer, why are u so broke? 1205665;1437195660;punkman;they export greek beer? 1205666;1437195705;lolballz;yep, not like italian beer made locally 1205667;1437195738;punkman;mediterranean beer is awful 1205668;1437195746;lolballz;we're getting proper peroni now 1205669;1437195780;lolballz;tasmania has some excellent ones, hops barley and water 1205670;1437195781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00051442 = 16.0499 BTC [-] {2} 1205671;1437195820;punkman;there's the odd small-scale brewery that makes ok beer 1205672;1437195827;lolballz;half the country drinks beer from cazallatown 1205673;1437195867;punkman;but really all spanish/italian/greek beer I've had is almost as bad as heineken or worse 1205674;1437195913;lolballz;i don't mind heineken, i like to know what my armpit smells like tommorrow 1205675;1437195962;lolballz;the hops are unique 1205676;1437196017;lolballz;tazzie blends em 1205677;1437196104;lolballz;well 1205678;1437196132;lolballz;like "single malt" 1205679;1437196155;lolballz;doent mean shit if u can do it 1205680;1437196160;lolballz;*can't 1205681;1437196375;lolballz;fuck a larger tho, gimme an ale 1205682;1437196432;lolballz;and so, i prefer a single malt 1205683;1437196452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00051868 = 18.3094 BTC [+] 1205684;1437196486;punkman;any of those left that Diageo doesn't own? 1205685;1437196507;lolballz;you want a nice cigar? 1205686;1437196572;punkman;nah 1205687;1437196669;lolballz;just accessible info? 1205688;1437196850;lolballz;yeah id swap everything for a good cigar 1205689;1437197076;lolballz;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NhqN0KcWAE 1205690;1437197077;assbot;Luscious Jackson - Naked Eye - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFbhcp ) 1205691;1437197855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57889 @ 0.00051432 = 29.7735 BTC [-] {3} 1205692;1437199386;decimation;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/09/hitlers-thoughts-on-the-euro/ > "I’m halfway through Look Who’s Back, a book in which Hitler wakes up in 2011 and, homeless and friendless, ... The Reichsmark was no longer legal tender, even though others—probably some clueless dilettantes on the side of the victorious powers—had clearly adapted my plan to turn it into a European-wide currency. At any rate, transactions were now b 1205693;1437199387;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Hitler’s thoughts on the Euro ... ( http://bit.ly/1fcAS4P ) 1205694;1437199429;decimation;being carried out in an artificial currency called “euro,” regarded, as one would expect, with a high level of mistrust. I could have told those responsible that this would be the case." 1205695;1437199459;decimation;"“Haven’t you ever been abroad?” “Well, obviously: Poland, France, Hungary . . .” “OK, they’re inside the EU.” “And the Soviet Union.” “You got in there without a passport?” I thought about it for a moment. “I cannot recollect anybody having asked me for one,” I replied confidently." 1205696;1437199646;pete_dushenski;decimation: kinda funny to consider what the man woulda thunk had he been time warped into the present eh. 1205697;1437199656;decimation;heh yeah 1205698;1437199668;pete_dushenski;this quote, of course, being the first of two that greenspun wrote on 'look who's back' 1205699;1437199707;pete_dushenski;the second being the inspiration and provocation for my 'turns out you wanted hitler after all' article 1205700;1437199757;pete_dushenski;i definitely appreciate how prolific phil is. i've been visiting his blog daily the last couple weeks. 1205701;1437199764;decimation;heh awesome, I was just gonna lookup the nazi platform 1205702;1437199774;decimation;you saved me the trouble 1205703;1437199813;pete_dushenski;and added my free commentary whether you wanted it or not ! 1205704;1437200057;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205408 << a question that may yet be answered some day. 1205705;1437200057;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 02:33:25; ben_vulpes: i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla 1205706;1437200086;pete_dushenski;someone in my meatwot is bound to splurge for one, and it'd then just be a matter of time before i snagged some seat time. 1205707;1437200138;decimation;heh this nazi stuff is lulzy, looks much like the modern lefty platform - save the anti-immigrant stuff 1205708;1437200152;decimation;which is actually pretty rational if you are gonna make a 'nationalist' welfare state 1205709;1437200153;pete_dushenski;given that i was able to attract a fair few steers of unusual and exciting personally owned autos with my old blog, it should be a cinch with contravex's broader readership as a selling point 1205710;1437200203;pete_dushenski;decimation: the anti-immigration, the free education for gifted only, and the get off your lazy ass elements are the only differences i could really spot 1205711;1437200234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00053186 = 13.2965 BTC [+] 1205712;1437200251;pete_dushenski;but hey, times change (albeit modestly) and usians are emphatically not teutons 1205713;1437200257;pete_dushenski;not entirely, at least. 1205714;1437200268;decimation;actually, the white part has a significant portion 1205715;1437200292;decimation;but their cultural distinctiveness has long disappeared into germanic surnames 1205716;1437200295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00053186 = 1.1424 BTC [+] 1205717;1437200330;pete_dushenski;what's 'significant' ? 10% ? 20% ? 1205718;1437200356;decimation;I think more than that, more like 50% 1205719;1437200398;pete_dushenski;even with all the irish, italian, and eastern yurapeans ? 1205720;1437200400;pete_dushenski;seems high. 1205721;1437200453;pete_dushenski;"The ten largest ancestries of American Whites are: German Americans (16.5%), Irish Americans (11.9%), English Americans (9.2%), Italian Americans (5.5%), Mexican Americans (5.4%), French Americans (4%), Polish Americans (3%), Scottish Americans (1.9%), Dutch Americans (1.6%), and Norwegian Americans (1.5%)" << via 2008 census bureau 1205722;1437200461;pete_dushenski;boom. called it ;) 1205723;1437200520;pete_dushenski;"It's still an honorable thing to get a Ph.D. " << bahaha on what planet is this ? 1205724;1437200528;decimation;interesting, I thought it was higher 1205725;1437200543;decimation;I'm sure that the relative portion is higher in certain regions like the midwest 1205726;1437200550;pete_dushenski;"It's not as if the Wiz Schools have killed CS at universities. Not yet, anyway." << mkay then. pass the pipe. 1205727;1437200635;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204995 << #b-a is for adults, not kids. 1205728;1437200635;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 23:24:38; williamdunne: 00:06:08 - gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day <<< isn't that what #b-a is anyway? At least that's how I'm trying to use it. 1205729;1437200660;pete_dushenski;kids gotta climb the ladder before they can jump off the diving board into the deep end. 1205730;1437200678;pete_dushenski;lift head before sit up, crawl before walk, etc. 1205731;1437200816;decimation;apparently wisconsin, daktoas german ancestry is 'self reported' to be ~40%, roughly 20% through the midwest 1205732;1437200832;decimation;http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf 1205733;1437200833;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fcDxeM ) 1205734;1437200861;pete_dushenski;where it's cold and the people hardier, basically. 1205735;1437200890;decimation;yes, and that area happened to be where land was cheap when the wave of germans were fleeing derpiness/overcrowding 1205736;1437201132;decimation;actually many in that time period saw the centralization of the prussian mega-state and decided to leave... because there was somewhere to go 1205737;1437201148;pete_dushenski;right. it wasn't the urbanites that were fleeing the old world so much. 1205738;1437201163;pete_dushenski;or if they were urbanites, they weren't died in the wool urbanites 1205739;1437201171;pete_dushenski;like, say, teh jooz 1205740;1437201183;decimation;initially it was poor folk with no other choice, but many in hte 1830-1860 bulge were people of some means who were 'voting with their feet' 1205741;1437201197;decimation;as their ancestral homeland/city-states were steamrolled 1205742;1437201214;pete_dushenski;lol not hard to imagine 2030-2060 usa being similar 1205743;1437201232;decimation;no, but the problem in 'where is the frontier'? 1205744;1437201248;pete_dushenski;that's a point. 1205745;1437201267;pete_dushenski;the number of countries offering free fertile soil to industries immigrants is awfully limited 1205746;1437201275;decimation;really, it was a rare point in history where people of some means had alternatives 1205747;1437201275;pete_dushenski;industrious* 1205748;1437201279;decimation;most people for most time do not 1205749;1437201360;pete_dushenski;well there's always money in the banana stand... 1205750;1437201368;pete_dushenski;by which i mean, there's always south america 1205751;1437201404;pete_dushenski;only 400 mn people currently in the southern half and inhabited by a reasonably conquerable people 1205752;1437201454;pete_dushenski;latin america is certainly a better opportunity than, say, asia, africa, the middle east, or europe for those usians looking for an exit door 1205753;1437202173;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205306 << ahem. -does- no wrong. 1205754;1437202173;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 02:09:47; ben_vulpes: razr did no wrong 1205755;1437202534;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205396 << sop to suck automaker cock and gargle balls in car blogosphere, of which 'autoblog' once ruled the roost (they still might even, but i doubt it, even though i stopped paying attention) 1205756;1437202534;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 02:30:18; mircea_popescu: bunch of retarded fucking monkeys. http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/v/19733f9b5da9864601475a8ba7c48a8d3e902be4/img/editors/sebastian-blanco.jpg << this inept fuckwit really thought THAT is what needs to be reported. 1205757;1437202571;pete_dushenski;writing about every little retarded marketing detail is par for the course. 1205758;1437202613;pete_dushenski;this is what passes for "being observant" in an industry where you can't actually criticise the plastic balls of shit you drive every week. 1205759;1437202632;pete_dushenski;lest you, y'know, bite the hand that feeds you. 1205760;1437202744;pete_dushenski;as far as car news sites and writers go, there's literally no other branch of 'journalism' that's so bereft of intellectualism, individualism, and integrity 1205761;1437202753;pete_dushenski;this is very much by design. 1205762;1437202807;pete_dushenski;derps like sebastian get wrung through the gawker-esque grinder for a fraction of the rate of internal marketing staff at an automaker 1205763;1437202852;pete_dushenski;and to largely the same effect, with the added bonus of the illusion of independence to what i can only assume are very slowly-witted readers. 1205764;1437202979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00053419 = 30.6625 BTC [+] {2} 1205765;1437203467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44983 @ 0.000541 = 24.3358 BTC [+] 1205766;1437203500;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205499 << well with that kinda tall shadow being cast onto the street, and that sort of whimsical 'build whatever wherever whenever' attitude, you're just gonna drive a stake through the heart of your pedestrian-friendly utopia, mister 1205767;1437203500;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 03:02:21; mircea_popescu: ima build a fucking wizard tower on my own land if i feel so inclined, and if anyone doesn't like it ima add cannons to it. 1205768;1437204214;mircea_popescu;yeah i know 1205769;1437204219;mircea_popescu;i'm not ready yet. 1205770;1437204424;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205598 << eventually there's going to be a binary for macs as well, so check back in a few weeks 1205771;1437204424;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 03:39:46; ag3nt_zer0: so think I am done as I don't know what the hell I am doing 1205772;1437204607;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you're also not alone here. i'd be pleased to offer my urban planning and architectural services to the cause :D 1205773;1437204625;mircea_popescu;hehe l 1205774;1437204626;mircea_popescu;k* 1205775;1437204867;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody will care. 1205776;1437204897;mircea_popescu;there's this very strange delusion where twerps on the internet and beyond imagine someone, somewhere, (important! secret!) gives a shit what they do. 1205777;1437204915;mircea_popescu;in point of fact the various governmenbts don't have enough of a clue to even keep track of the most direct threats to their very existence, 1205778;1437204926;mircea_popescu;let alone random twerp in montana not possessed of enough intelligence to find a mate. 1205779;1437204980;mircea_popescu;and in any case "the right to be forgotten" comes from the same set as "the right to fried chicken". forgetaboutit. 1205780;1437205176;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: how went the slithy toves this eve ? 1205781;1437205179;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205707 << hitler was a national-socialist, the current lefties are international-socialists 1205782;1437205179;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 06:15:38; decimation: heh this nazi stuff is lulzy, looks much like the modern lefty platform - save the anti-immigrant stuff 1205783;1437205188;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski poorly. still none found. 1205784;1437205225;pete_dushenski;hm. tough gig. 1205785;1437205230;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/64967f37cc6cd78ef79fd75bc46cdb4b/tumblr_n625ybJIET1t7h3z1o1_1280.jpg 1205786;1437205231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fSDPZk ) 1205787;1437205308;pete_dushenski;re: modern leftist : they're inter-everything, inter-sexual, inter-raced, inter-gendered, all the way to inter-opinionated 1205788;1437205326;pete_dushenski;where 'every opinion is valuable... unless it's mean !' 1205789;1437206151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8956 @ 0.00053252 = 4.7692 BTC [-] 1205790;1437206334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74200 @ 0.00053235 = 39.5004 BTC [-] {2} 1205791;1437206341;pete_dushenski;"As faking a 7 percent figure takes more risk than releasing a lower but real one, China has no motives to forge the data... It is hence groundless to suspect the NBS faked its statistics." << cute. 1205792;1437206761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00053186 = 20.4234 BTC [-] 1205793;1437207615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29134 @ 0.00054114 = 15.7656 BTC [+] {2} 1205794;1437207676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37066 @ 0.00054239 = 20.1042 BTC [+] 1205795;1437207717;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.bitstein.2:c6425fc9b7bc8e79dc702b54d5d0ec5414ad73b61b10728dc9432eb06cc1f72a 1205796;1437207718;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for bitstein from 1 to 2 with note: doing god's work on social media. https://twitter.com/bitstein 1205797;1437207869;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mircea_popescu.4:e29fd8985f2d0012bbacc5e9ca3f45037fdf14c37bddce4ebf46752b89fa5176 1205798;1437207869;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 2 to 4 with note: still the mpex rabbi 1205799;1437208050;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.danielpbarron.2:7da19ed5834cd7e319ea1fc69b27cda70efb9e5c75e8e39dda74af49967f5b88 1205800;1437208050;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: priestly feller. doing god's work on sm. https://twitter.com/danielpbarron 1205801;1437208157;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.jurov.4:9b4b6d115c7e3ae9efa66c174d0b1cb0d980b7fbbf1fccd227565c1a6956c928 1205802;1437208157;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 4 with note: coinbr broker. 1205803;1437208291;pete_dushenski;should do it for tonight. 1205804;1437208530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00054629 = 27.4238 BTC [+] {2} 1205805;1437208778;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo cascade or boags? 1205806;1437208779;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1205807;1437209384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58691 @ 0.0005529 = 32.4503 BTC [+] {4} 1205808;1437209387;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205785 <<< riddle me this.. is it women who desire the buttsecks more so than men? 1205809;1437209387;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 07:40:30; mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/64967f37cc6cd78ef79fd75bc46cdb4b/tumblr_n625ybJIET1t7h3z1o1_1280.jpg 1205810;1437209567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50460 @ 0.00055781 = 28.1471 BTC [+] 1205811;1437210271;mircea_popescu;womenz don't desire teh buttseks, womenz desire to be hurt by a cool guy. buttseks' means to an end. 1205812;1437210288;mircea_popescu;further study http://41.media.tumblr.com/5717b7cceb4ab697fca7355e63f60faf/tumblr_mzfa0mCnIN1qbgewho1_1280.jpg 1205813;1437210290;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DmDu61 ) 1205814;1437211029;cazalla;can't say i'm too fussed on the idea and both times i was pressured into it and obliged because if i don't, someone else surely will, in it goes 1205815;1437211083;jurov;cazalla: own experience? 1205816;1437211172;cazalla;yeah how else would i know? 1205817;1437211215;cazalla;just to clarify.. i fucked them, not some weird ass pegging shit if you're trying to set me up with some cool meme 1205818;1437211294;jurov;;;ud ass pegging 1205819;1437211295;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt. 1205820;1437211339;cazalla;jurov, do you remember your first blow job? 1205821;1437211372;jurov;no 1205822;1437211399;cazalla;guess ya sorta derailed my joke then 1205823;1437211479;jurov;dude was not very keen on bj's, went straight for the ass 1205824;1437212007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47540 @ 0.0005282 = 25.1106 BTC [-] {2} 1205825;1437212434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00053552 = 23.0809 BTC [+] {2} 1205826;1437213041;shinohai;@ cazalla "not some weird ass pegging shit" < Traps perhaps? 1205827;1437213128;shinohai;Nothing to top off the weekend like a relaxing prostate massage. 1205828;1437213240;shinohai;think of them as hot girls with snipped dinglies. 1205829;1437213293;cazalla;would ya give bailey jay a bit? 1205830;1437213321;jurov;;;ud bailey jay 1205831;1437213322;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bailey+Jay | Also hotter than most women you'll ever meet. "Hey, did I seriously just catch you fapping to Bailey Jay?" "Hell yeah! No homo." by Bill27 March 31, 2014. 43 1. 1205832;1437213324;shinohai;For say 5 BTC then yeah, I'd turn down the lights and plow that. 1205833;1437213375;shinohai;Slap dat ass with Icy Hot and ride! 1205834;1437213532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47854 @ 0.00054093 = 25.8857 BTC [+] 1205835;1437213575;cazalla;shinohai, seems relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjxTrrbjmx0 1205836;1437213576;assbot;Rog on traps - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jozioh ) 1205837;1437214569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71331 @ 0.00052355 = 37.3453 BTC [-] {2} 1205838;1437216094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17584 @ 0.00054047 = 9.5036 BTC [+] {2} 1205839;1437217253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42655 @ 0.00055793 = 23.7985 BTC [+] {2} 1205840;1437218656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7922 @ 0.00054743 = 4.3367 BTC [-] 1205841;1437220791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00053935 = 7.0655 BTC [-] 1205842;1437221035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36778 @ 0.00054743 = 20.1334 BTC [+] 1205843;1437221358;cazalla;;;isup qntra.net 1205844;1437221362;gribble;qntra.net is down 1205845;1437222072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25441 @ 0.00055804 = 14.1971 BTC [+] 1205846;1437222438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61067 @ 0.00054747 = 33.4324 BTC [-] 1205847;1437224014;shinohai;qntra isup 4 me 1205848;1437226586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00054931 = 29.1134 BTC [+] {2} 1205849;1437226708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00055255 = 20.472 BTC [+] 1205850;1437227074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00055541 = 26.8818 BTC [+] {3} 1205851;1437227928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74750 @ 0.00055705 = 41.6395 BTC [+] {3} 1205852;1437229087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47093 @ 0.00053935 = 25.3996 BTC [-] 1205853;1437232844;mircea_popescu;mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? 1205854;1437233357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00053766 = 15.7534 BTC [-] {3} 1205855;1437235309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00053645 = 21.0825 BTC [-] 1205856;1437235797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00053497 = 20.4626 BTC [-] {2} 1205857;1437236199;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net 1205858;1437236203;gribble;qntra.net is down 1205859;1437237017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50050 @ 0.000556 = 27.8278 BTC [+] {2} 1205860;1437238558;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/channel99/hotgirlforyou 1205861;1437238559;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iamc1x ) 1205862;1437239275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00056434 = 43.3413 BTC [+] {3} 1205863;1437241897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14771 @ 0.00056983 = 8.417 BTC [+] {3} 1205864;1437241958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00057057 = 19.2567 BTC [+] 1205865;1437242263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2007 @ 0.00111 = 2.2278 BTC 1205866;1437242629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00056383 = 21.2 BTC [-] 1205867;1437242629;shinohai;woo-hoo @ Naphex \o/ 1205868;1437242690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00057108 = 36.492 BTC [+] {3} 1205869;1437242995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53909 @ 0.00055875 = 30.1217 BTC [-] {4} 1205870;1437243058;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release. 1205871;1437243157;punkman;mod6, debug_sanity perhaps? 1205872;1437243200;mod6;As far as testing, so far everything seems to be working ok -- i've fully sync'd 1 stator build, and i've got 2 more full sync's running curretly: one gentoo x86-64 w/glibc & one OpenBSD x86-64 w/glibc 1205873;1437243224;punkman;did anyone try musl yet? 1205874;1437243240;mod6;One of my goals for this week (and I'm running a bit behind) was to create a test matrix for everything that needs to be tested for this forthcoming release. I hope to at least get a start on that here today yet. 1205875;1437243248;shinohai;mod6: is your stator on a pogo? 1205876;1437243253;mod6;<+punkman> mod6, debug_sanity perhaps? << maybe. 1205877;1437243269;mod6;<+punkman> did anyone try musl yet? << yeah, check out ascii's comments from yesterday 1205878;1437243276;mod6;<+shinohai> mod6: is your stator on a pogo? << nope 1205879;1437243282;shinohai;:/ 1205880;1437243342;mod6;Haven't had enough spare time to dig into it. Been hectic enough just trying to keep up with all the incoming patches. 1205881;1437243388;shinohai;i havent gotten past stator 0.5.4 w/blockdump 1205882;1437243438;mod6;ascii only has 3 patches post blockdump (eatblock, rm testnet, verifyall) 1205883;1437243459;mod6;not a huge deal. nothing super critical there, just nice-to-have type of ones. 1205884;1437243468;shinohai;ok, then that is just 2, and testnet isn't important 1205885;1437243483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.0005714 = 14.8278 BTC [+] 1205886;1437243485;mod6;punkman has his debug_sanity, but I hvane't had a chance to test version two, and it's not a super high priority for me at this very moment. 1205887;1437243510;TomServo;mod6: Was your OpenBSD recipe made public somewhere? 1205888;1437243514;mod6;especially if anyone is helping test or whatever and they need debug_sanity they can just apply the patch to their local codebase. 1205889;1437243531;mod6;same as any of the others: dump/eat block, verifiy all etc. 1205890;1437243541;punkman;I'm gonna do debug_sanity part2 too 1205891;1437243551;mod6;TomServo: it's not my recipe. i'll dig it up 1205892;1437243600;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html 1205893;1437243601;assbot;[BTC-dev] openbsd patch ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhDb4G ) 1205894;1437243624;shinohai;I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all. 1205895;1437243652;mod6;punkman: ok cool. 1205896;1437243668;punkman;mod6: any wishes on that front? 1205897;1437243709;mod6;honestly I don't have anything in mind at all. 1205898;1437243718;punkman;I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here 1205899;1437243735;mod6;make something work for you on your end, see if it makes sense, and if it does, perhaps submit the changes. 1205900;1437243764;TomServo;mod6 and Philippe, thanks 1205901;1437243801;mod6;for anything to make it into the next release, the patch must be 100% perfect and apply perfect. if I hvae to do any mental gymnastics or gyrations to apply a patch or whatever, it wont make it in. there's already a large enough scope on this release. 1205902;1437243807;mod6;TomServo: anytime 1205903;1437243877;shinohai;anyone got a arm static binary of stator build? 1205904;1437244043;shinohai;i offer no patches. I control my server 100% with crude shell scripts xD 1205905;1437244061;mthreat;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/ 1205906;1437244084;mthreat;"What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? ('basement'?)" 1205907;1437244439;mod6;Anyway, most of the submissions so far have been pretty top notch. We want to encourage people in the WoT to submit patches. If something is submitted but doesn't make it into a release right away, that certainly doesn't mean it won't be pulled in to a later milestone. 1205908;1437244459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00057165 = 30.0974 BTC [+] {2} 1205909;1437244520;mod6;I think it's great. If you've got an idea or something you wanna discuss for submission, this is where that type of discussion happens. Keep it up! :] 1205910;1437244650;mod6;phf: keep an eye out for punkman's debug_sanity-part2 -- or maybe you both can coordinate together so that all three of these patches will play together nicely: debug_sanity-part1-corrected, debug_sanity-part2 and milli timestamps 1205911;1437244717;trinque;shinohai: bashops is bestops! 1205912;1437244857;punkman;I thought of incorporating milli timestamps as an option in part2 1205913;1437245427;ben_vulpes;did someone say bashops? 1205914;1437245540;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski find someone who's a shareholder, they can do test drives 1205915;1437245540;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1205916;1437246221;ben_vulpes; mod6, debug_sanity perhaps? << i've yet to play around with this one in depth 1205917;1437246228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00054879 = 26.3419 BTC [-] {3} 1205918;1437246255;punkman;ben_vulpes, doesn't do much 1205919;1437246268;punkman;main attraction is removing the wx crap 1205920;1437246276;mod6;which was nice for sure 1205921;1437246289;mod6;that needed to happen at somepoint. 1205922;1437246313;ben_vulpes;aha 1205923;1437246326;ben_vulpes; I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all. << you know that you can have a git repo on disk without ever pushing it to shithub? 1205924;1437246358;ben_vulpes;gotta love these rubyists, centralizing all of the decentralized things. shithub, keybase... 1205925;1437246361;ben_vulpes;i blame davout 1205926;1437246455;ben_vulpes; I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script. 1205927;1437246887;mod6;i'm gonna throw in debug_sanity-part1-corrected to my next build/sync test, and look at the output/impact of the patch. i should have some more meaningful comments after that. 1205928;1437247026;mod6;doesnt look like that one was generated with -pU either though. 1205929;1437247031;mod6;does stuff like this: 1205930;1437247031;mod6;@@ -45,24 +45,6 @@ Object JSONRPCError(int code, const string& message) 1205931;1437247104;punkman;mod6, -U is the default, not sure how to turn the comments after @@ 1205932;1437247116;punkman;(I did -pU, didn't change anything) 1205933;1437247135;punkman;*turn off 1205934;1437247732;ben_vulpes;how does returning an error from a function in bitcoin turn into a line in debug.log? 1205935;1437247755;punkman;printf is redefined as OutputDebugStringF 1205936;1437247777;punkman;which decides whether to write to debug file or print to console 1205937;1437247821;ben_vulpes;unfh okay i get it 1205938;1437247827;punkman;also if you grep for "fprintf(stdout/stderr" you can find some that never go to debug log 1205939;1437247873;ben_vulpes;well this is a whole project, innit. 1205940;1437247888;ben_vulpes;do you have a plan for v2? 1205941;1437247892;punkman;and there's also PrintException, PrintExceptionContinue, error() and more 1205942;1437247907;punkman;I do not have a plan 1205943;1437247930;ben_vulpes;i think i missed the debug sanity feedback threads too. 1205944;1437247934;ben_vulpes;BUT ANYWAYS 1205945;1437248005;mod6;<+punkman> (I did -pU, didn't change anything) << ah ok. git must have stripped that helpful information from the patch. fuck git. 1205946;1437248007;ben_vulpes;so yeah a patch to excise the wx crap is great and wonderful and thank you etc, but i'd like to see it split from changes to logging behavior 1205947;1437248041;mod6;anyway, i'll have to just repatch up everything myself and re-add your changes. 1205948;1437248050;mod6;and then do a `diff -uNr` 1205949;1437248096;ben_vulpes;mod6: does the patch not apply cleanly? 1205950;1437248101;punkman;mod6, what's missing from git output? 1205951;1437248135;mod6;ben_vulpes: the old one did not, because of perhaps something the ML did to the patch; stripping out an empty line at the end of the file. 1205952;1437248152;mod6;<+punkman> mod6, what's missing from git output? << if you used -pU, it doesn't reflect that in the patch 1205953;1437248180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178300 @ 0.00056746 = 101.1781 BTC [+] {6} 1205954;1437248181;mod6;diff --git a/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp b/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp 1205955;1437248209;mod6;normally diff will put the flags passed to it into the patch file. 1205956;1437248228;ben_vulpes;but /does it apply cleanly/ ? 1205957;1437248241;mod6;i dunno yet. i haven't tried the new one. 1205958;1437248281;mod6;i want to make it clear that it seems /slightly less readable/ to me because of: @@ -45,24 +45,6 @@ Object JSONRPCError(int code, const string& message) << this type of thing. 1205959;1437248302;punkman;I kinda like that it includes the function name 1205960;1437248316;punkman;I can strip it next time 1205961;1437248383;mod6;i dunno, i guess im just used to the other way. 1205962;1437248384;ben_vulpes;i like it too, but it's probably git stockholm. 1205963;1437248493;punkman;ben_vulpes: git stockholm? what's so bad about git 1205964;1437248589;ben_vulpes;punkman: i live and die by the dvcs, i like it just fine. mod6 hates it for some reason that's unclear to me, so i'm allowing for the possibility that i just have stockholm syndrome. 1205965;1437248686;punkman;btw the sqlite guy has his own versioning system, it's kinda cool http://fossil-scm.org/ 1205966;1437248687;assbot;Fossil: Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAtWcO ) 1205967;1437248787;ben_vulpes;a shit that looks nifty 1205968;1437249461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00055116 = 14.6609 BTC [-] 1205969;1437250986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00055802 = 4.8827 BTC [+] {2} 1205970;1437253063;jurov;http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2015/35-visually-stunning-czechslovak-films-that-are-worth-your-time/ 1205971;1437253064;assbot;35 Visually Stunning Czech/Slovak Films That Are Worth Your Time « Taste of Cinema ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ib00WE ) 1205972;1437253778;decimation;there was a baker who makes potica at the farmer's market this morning 1205973;1437253795;decimation;I think in Slovakia it's orechovník 1205974;1437253887;jurov;yes 1205975;1437254006;jurov;and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy 1205976;1437254019;decimation;and makes you fail drug tests? 1205977;1437254073;jurov;tests for opiates are unheard of here 1205978;1437254125;jurov;and poppy seed is not addictive, just tasty 1205979;1437254144;decimation;I've heard that this is a common problem in the us 1205980;1437254166;decimation;nearly everyone does drug testing here 1205981;1437254177;decimation;even to work at the corner grocery 1205982;1437254547;jurov;!up hazirafel 1205983;1437254679;trinque;openbsd's upgrade process is surprisingly (and refreshingly) easy 1205984;1437254691;trinque;boot installer kernel -> mash enter -> reboot -> sysmerge 1205985;1437254693;trinque;love it 1205986;1437254744;mod6;my obsd 5.6 full sync is up to block: 189480 1205987;1437254772;trinque;nice 1205988;1437254776;mod6;gentoo nomultilib glibc: 322021 1205989;1437254793;mod6;im workin on that test matrix now. 1205990;1437254836;mod6;i've got 22 scenarios worked up 1205991;1437254845;mod6;well, planned 22 so far. 1205992;1437254870;trinque;nice, I am happy to help with that process 1205993;1437254882;trinque;awaiting orders 1205994;1437254890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.0005619 = 33.6578 BTC [+] {2} 1205995;1437254974;decimation;I tried to get stator working on osx 10.6.8 (32-bit macbook1,1) 1205996;1437254989;decimation;boost fails to compile 1205997;1437254992;mod6;cool! thanks. yeah, we're gonna need as much help as we can get testing. and as soon as we have a solid test plan developed, then we'll cut a release candidate for testing. 1205998;1437254995;decimation;I'm going to try to get the macports version 1205999;1437255015;trinque;mod6: I've got an opteron box, pogo, i7, obsd i386, off the top of my head 1206000;1437255024;mod6;We'll be on the R.C. until we're satisfied everything is the way we want it. 1206001;1437255042;mod6;ok great trinque 1206002;1437255084;mod6;i think the arm/pogo stuff is going to be have to be tested separately perhaps. 1206003;1437255102;mod6;i don't/haven't ever setup the buildroot stuff. 1206004;1437255120;mod6;but people could certainly and appreciatedly take this task on for themselfs. 1206005;1437255121;trinque;I've gone through it once, got the turdel served up over telnet 1206006;1437255128;trinque;hm, maybe I can help with that one then 1206007;1437255132;trinque;been wanting to make my pogo do something 1206008;1437255132;mod6;*themselves 1206009;1437255168;trinque;what's called for there? push-button rebuild and deploy of turdel with a newly built bitcoind? 1206010;1437255178;mod6;yeah, i think there will be some further discussion around that. maybe dbp can help head up that side of the testing if he's willing (other than alf) he's probably got the most exp with the thing. 1206011;1437255193;mod6;personally, i'm pretty clueless with the whole thing as of now. 1206012;1437255205;trinque;anyhow, I have weekend cycles and hardware, lemme know what helps 1206013;1437255250;mod6;yeah, there would just be: Scenario: Create static bitcoind via buildroot, tfpt (or whatever??) to device, begin full sync 1206014;1437255257;mod6;or something like that perhaps 1206015;1437255265;*;trinque nods 1206016;1437255307;mod6;thanks for your offer to help trinque! 1206017;1437255324;trinque;of course 1206018;1437255343;mod6;one other thing I gotta do is update the gentoo-uclibc guide to a new guide for nomultilib glibc, should be fairly easy. then test it on my pos box. 1206019;1437255351;mod6;i'm gonna need another box to test on anyway. 1206020;1437255374;felipelalli;;;isup qntra.net 1206021;1437255377;gribble;qntra.net is down 1206022;1437255442;trinque;^imo a news site being ddosed ought to be a matter of pride 1206023;1437255444;trinque;heh 1206024;1437255455;felipelalli;yes! 1206025;1437255496;felipelalli;make a paid backup version, like Trilema 1206026;1437255519;felipelalli;keep both online, but when the free version is being attacked at least you have an alternative 1206027;1437255562;felipelalli;or at least a kind of login where you have to sign a challenge with a GPG key L2 > 0 with assbot. 1206028;1437255683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00055597 = 12.9819 BTC [-] 1206029;1437255935;trinque;felipelalli: were there a gossipd, it'd subsume this whole http mess entirely 1206030;1437255984;trinque;first off, you have the choice of not dealing with people directly, but through any number of.. call 'em "gateway nodes" 1206031;1437255991;trinque;*you being qntra 1206032;1437256027;trinque;second, any node accessing qntra has the option of caching the data and making it available for their own gossipd peers 1206033;1437256047;trinque;throw signatures into the mix and you have a completely unbreakable "website" hosting situation 1206034;1437256063;trinque;the thing utterly needs to exist, and yesterday. 1206035;1437256171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00055597 = 19.5145 BTC [-] 1206036;1437256903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46038 @ 0.00055597 = 25.5957 BTC [-] 1206037;1437257204;trinque;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/world/middleeast/saudis-cast-net-for-isis-sympathizers.html << It does appear that the Saudis are quite concerned. 1206038;1437257207;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdKcmp ) 1206039;1437257207;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1206040;1437257635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00055359 = 3.0171 BTC [-] 1206041;1437258056;cazalla;ugh this morning.. i step outside and slip on my ass because the decking is covered in frost.. first one this winter, at least the brusselsprouts will enjoy it 1206042;1437258123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00053937 = 18.5004 BTC [-] {2} 1206043;1437259038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00055359 = 33.7136 BTC [+] 1206044;1437259343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00053916 = 8.2491 BTC [-] 1206045;1437260746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0005536 = 14.0614 BTC [+] {2} 1206046;1437262393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57250 @ 0.00054606 = 31.2619 BTC [-] {2} 1206047;1437263979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43743 @ 0.00053916 = 23.5845 BTC [-] 1206048;1437264199;ben_vulpes;heh cazalla today i stepped outside and went snorkeling in perfectly blue waters 1206049;1437264338;pete_dushenski;heya ben_vulpes 1206050;1437264393;pete_dushenski;can't anyone take a test drive of a tesla model s ? 1206051;1437264485;pete_dushenski;not that there's a dealership anywhere in the province... 1206052;1437264555;pete_dushenski;;;later tell trinque as well they should be ! saudi royal necks are on the line and isis is all too happen to use that line as a noose. 1206053;1437264555;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1206054;1437264756;trinque;pete_dushenski: ayep; good notes on the convo too 1206055;1437264799;pete_dushenski;ya hardly needed much in the way of notes even, twas a moderately thorough discussion 1206056;1437264916;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_modem 1206057;1437265028;ascii_modem;in a chinese bus, in nyc, believe or not 1206058;1437265044;pete_dushenski;will wonders never cease ? 1206059;1437265097;ascii_modem;eh, cheap lulz 1206060;1437265189;pete_dushenski;ascii_modem: you don't seem like the broadway type but i'd be fascinated to know what you might see if you had the time for a show. 1206061;1437265213;pete_dushenski;or mebbe you're more the stand-up comedy club type 1206062;1437265237;ascii_modem;pet is broadway type 1206063;1437265332;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205870 << wai wut - ?? - no one signed that he has read, tested - and straight to release? 1206064;1437265332;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release. 1206065;1437265397;pete_dushenski;u dun understand how the world works. 1206066;1437265459;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205884 << yes and no. yes, cosmetic; but otoh, it's what i'll be patching against now 1206067;1437265459;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 18:17:48; shinohai: ok, then that is just 2, and testnet isn't important 1206068;1437265499;ascii_modem;(since chairs registered no objection to jettison of testnrt) 1206069;1437265547;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205894 << put in msvs if you like... 1206070;1437265547;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 18:20:24; shinohai: I shamefully decided yo put all my crap in a github repo. There is no better way right now for me to organize it all. 1206071;1437265565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00053916 = 29.3842 BTC [-] 1206072;1437265672;mod6;<+ascii_modem> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205870 << wai wut - ?? - no one signed that he has read, tested - and straight to release? << I certainly did not mean to imply immediate release. Just that I'll build a test plan surrounding what i've indicated. Process is already underway. 1206073;1437265672;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release. 1206074;1437265703;mod6;I still do need to sign that I've read the patches, might get to that tonight yet. Or tomorrow. We'll see how it goes. 1206075;1437265726;ascii_modem;neato 1206076;1437265742;mod6;There will be a testing phase with a distributed full-patched bundle... call it RC1. 1206077;1437265765;mod6;There is no time specific timeline for this in the public domain yet. 1206078;1437266114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76672 @ 0.0005544 = 42.507 BTC [+] {2} 1206079;1437266438;ben_vulpes; boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger 1206080;1437266464;ben_vulpes;;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer 1206081;1437266465;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1206082;1437266474;ben_vulpes;;;seen solrodar 1206083;1437266474;gribble;solrodar was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: trinque: thanks 1206084;1437267330;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/comment-page-1/#comment-267787 1206085;1437267332;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? (“basement”?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpIIzL ) 1206086;1437267352;pete_dushenski;^my comment for greenspun. 1206087;1437267362;pete_dushenski;btw has anyone ever invited him here ? 1206088;1437267644;Adlai;!s tenth rule 1206089;1437267645;assbot;2 results for 'tenth rule' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tenth+rule 1206090;1437267985;Adlai;pete_dushenski: your comment doesn't appear from here 1206091;1437268006;pete_dushenski;huh ? the link works for me. 1206092;1437268015;pete_dushenski;maybe your page needs a refresh 1206093;1437268017;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << hey jurov couldja sort this by date instead of patch hash? 1206094;1437268018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJ1CVN ) 1206095;1437268020;ben_vulpes;pwetty pwease? 1206096;1437268043;cazalla;pete_dushenski, i don't see your comment either 1206097;1437268066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33105 @ 0.00055686 = 18.4349 BTC [+] {2} 1206098;1437268068;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i don't see your comment either 1206099;1437268098;ben_vulpes;shadowbanned :P 1206100;1437268109;pete_dushenski;lol what else ! 1206101;1437268127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9295 @ 0.00056284 = 5.2316 BTC [+] 1206102;1437268130;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: you'd know better than i about the test drive. that's just how i got my butt in one. 1206103;1437268162;pete_dushenski;ah neato 1206104;1437268181;pete_dushenski;what you think of it ? worth 80-100k bezzlars ? 1206105;1437268300;cazalla;100k for a car is such extravagance! 1206106;1437268358;pete_dushenski;it's a fancy trabant, what. 1206107;1437268377;pete_dushenski;you can't tell me 100k isn't the same as a 7 year waiting list 1206108;1437268471;cazalla;don't get me wrong, some of these cars in that price range do look nice but i cannot imagine putting the cash down for it let alone taking a loan 1206109;1437268505;pete_dushenski;meh it's all relative. 1206110;1437268521;ben_vulpes;trabamborghini 1206111;1437268529;pete_dushenski;if you're pulling in 3-4x the price of your car, it's no sweat. 1206112;1437268540;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: the one and only. 1206113;1437268561;ben_vulpes;my philosophy on cars is a little odd 1206114;1437268578;ben_vulpes;instead of spending 75k on a car, how about we get 75k worth of...cars? 1206115;1437268597;pete_dushenski;have a whole fleet ! the choices ! 1206116;1437268602;ben_vulpes;a sedan, a truck, a gas-guzzling roadster, a mommymobile, a camperwagon... 1206117;1437268619;pete_dushenski;actually this isn't a bad game : name all the cars you'd buy with $75k cash. go ! 1206118;1437268626;ben_vulpes;buy them pre-depreciated, and treat them like the capital equipment they are. 1206119;1437268664;pete_dushenski;naturally. 1206120;1437268682;ben_vulpes;anyways, the drivetrain is incorrect. yes, electrical drive is fantastic for the low-end torque, but regen brakes of engineering necessity must clamp down insanely hard in order to maximize current out of the machines. 1206121;1437268690;ben_vulpes;this makes it difficult to finesse the brake. 1206122;1437268725;ben_vulpes;but to return to the drivetrain: if you *insist* on an eletrical drivetrain, look to the Volt for the correct implementation. 1206123;1437268738;mod6;.gitignore patch submitted: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000125.html 1206124;1437268739;assbot;[BTC-dev] Remove .gitignore files from Reference Implementationcodebase ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJ2p95 ) 1206125;1437268747;ben_vulpes;piles of low-end torque, backed by a battery that is powered by an ICE generator. 1206126;1437268761;ben_vulpes;that i would pay to have in a truck. 1206127;1437268767;ben_vulpes;thanks, mod6! 1206128;1437268769;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i quite enjoyed the volt 1206129;1437268791;pete_dushenski;drove it/ferried it from vancouver to victoria and back one day 1206130;1437268795;mod6;thanks for the reminder ben_vulpes! 1206131;1437268819;pete_dushenski;the volt was quiet and felt surprisingly well built. 1206132;1437268840;pete_dushenski;those gov grant$ went to good use ! 1206133;1437268920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00056284 = 2.9268 BTC [+] 1206134;1437269098;decimation;the volt was a good idea - except for its price 1206135;1437269180;pete_dushenski;it was a bit dear. 1206136;1437269227;decimation;anywyay pete going to your point last night, I think that's why uk 'top gear' was so popular 1206137;1437269238;decimation;they had the balls to call most of the cars they drove 'crap' 1206138;1437269276;pete_dushenski;that's certainly why i enjoyed tg and i was hardly alone 1206139;1437269296;pete_dushenski;starting out, i modelled by writing on clarkson's 1206140;1437269313;pete_dushenski;who is not only an entertaining presenter but a wicked wordsmith 1206141;1437269329;decimation;he's a showman, no doubt 1206142;1437269353;decimation;that's why the other top gears didn't really work, clarkson made the show 1206143;1437269423;pete_dushenski;totally. 1206144;1437269451;decimation;it's a real shame the whole thing ended the way it did - clarkson being sacked for hitting the incompetent servants 1206145;1437269490;pete_dushenski;looking up prices for porsche 964/993 generation of 911 for '$75 dream garage' and i cannot motherfucking believe how inflated their prices have become in the last 5 years 1206146;1437269515;pete_dushenski;easily 2-2.5x 2010 prices. easily. 1206147;1437269623;decimation;yeah, it's the case for all the 'billionare toys' 1206148;1437269629;pete_dushenski;i almost bought a black japanese import '89 964 in 2010 for ~25k. it would readily command 60k today from what i'm seeing on ebay and autotrader. 1206149;1437269646;pete_dushenski;unbefuckinglievable. 1206150;1437269668;decimation;is it because porsche has 'moved on' to a new design? 1206151;1437269679;pete_dushenski;i'd say so. 1206152;1437269691;pete_dushenski;i wouldn't want a water-cooled porsche. 1206153;1437269700;pete_dushenski;except maybe a 997 gt3. 1206154;1437269713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18215 @ 0.00056284 = 10.2521 BTC [+] 1206155;1437269715;pete_dushenski;but the newer ones are all plastic and electronics 1206156;1437269721;pete_dushenski;porsche is about purity and simplicity 1206157;1437269732;pete_dushenski;they've gone 'chinese' this last decade or two. 1206158;1437269736;decimation;lol I didn't realize the old ones were air cooled 1206159;1437269748;pete_dushenski;up until '98 1206160;1437269769;decimation;my dad told me that his dad used to have an air-cooled vw beetle back in the day 1206161;1437269790;decimation;it sucked because there was no cabin heat; they weren't allowed to breathe 1206162;1437269815;decimation;some of the later beetles had a 'gasoline heater' kit 1206163;1437269827;pete_dushenski;lol i was driven to kindergarten in a '71 beetle that was exactly like this. 1206164;1437269833;pete_dushenski;in -30C canadian winters, no less. 1206165;1437269855;cazalla;pete_dushenski, ya got dat dere momo steering wheel bro? 1206166;1437269883;decimation;I would imagine that porsche comes with gas burning heater 1206167;1437269894;pete_dushenski;cazalla: what, in my merc ? 1206168;1437269941;cazalla;i dunno man, just shit stirring.. we need some more green thumbs in #b-a, petrol heads are winning 1206169;1437269963;decimation;cazalla: you grow your own brussel sprouts? 1206170;1437269985;cazalla;decimation, yeah, probably another 4 weeks or so until i can eat em 1206171;1437270053;decimation;you plant them in autumn? 1206172;1437270073;decimation;I love brussel sprouts, I'm not sure it's worth growing them. I guess they are easy to freeze 1206173;1437270107;cazalla;i planted them mid march from memory and yeah, i am not sure it is worth growing them either given limited space.. take a while 1206174;1437270265;cazalla;plus i lose half my gardening area to shade in the winter here.. shitty houses built close together which block out the sun 1206175;1437270602;mod6;i've got 22 tomato plants, 8 pepper plants and 4 cucumbers. tomatoes are starting to ripen... 1206176;1437270780;cazalla;i've got about 20 fava beans, 10 sprouts, bunch of spring onions, rocket and english spinach and i just put some more radish in which should be ready to be pulled once spring arrives 1206177;1437270784;mircea_popescu;grow mint or something cazalla 1206178;1437270819;cazalla;in the spring 1206179;1437270872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00056279 = 11.087 BTC [-] 1206180;1437270946;mod6;!up ascii_modem 1206181;1437270964;mod6;punkman: your updated debug_sanity patched fine: http://dpaste.com/1838HVN.txt 1206182;1437270965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBSxN8 ) 1206183;1437271026;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206162 << su sop 1206184;1437271026;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 01:36:55; decimation: some of the later beetles had a 'gasoline heater' kit 1206185;1437271711;*;ben_vulpes to wedding 1206186;1437272153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00056279 = 1.2381 BTC [-] 1206187;1437272946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13959 @ 0.00054583 = 7.6192 BTC [-] {2} 1206188;1437273495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89900 @ 0.00054099 = 48.635 BTC [-] {4} 1206189;1437274654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70850 @ 0.00056107 = 39.7518 BTC [+] {2} 1206190;1437274718;mod6;punkman: I get this error when I try to compile with your patch http://dpaste.com/11G00N1.txt 1206191;1437274719;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VfZqe2 ) 1206192;1437274739;mod6;And for something that's really making my head scratch.. 1206193;1437274772;mod6;when I compile with my rm_gitignore patch (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000125.html) it fails! 1206194;1437274828;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3QRQHKN.txt 1206195;1437274829;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VfZCKv ) 1206196;1437274843;mod6;does any one have any clue why removing .gitignore files would cause this?! 1206197;1437274894;mod6;bascially, what I do is; extract v0.5.3.1, patch up through -verifyall then apply the rm_gitignore patch. then this ^^ 1206198;1437274898;mod6;wtf 1206199;1437275045;mod6;oh hmm, for some reason, i don't understand this (maybe someone can look at my patch and tell me why??) but apparently not only were the .gitignore files removed, but the directories were too. 1206200;1437275214;mod6;lol. own patch rejected. 1206201;1437275449;decimation;!up hazirafel 1206202;1437275515;mod6;so yah, looks like the patch blows away the obj/nogui dir along with the .gitignore file (it's the only file in the dir at the time - a clue maybe?) but if replaced, the compiles fine. 1206203;1437275542;mod6;does anyone see a reason to keep src/obj-test and src/obj/test ? 1206204;1437275589;mod6;i think those can actually go away, but src/obj/nogui/ needs to stay. 1206205;1437275596;mod6;will resubmit. 1206206;1437275610;mod6;after an actual test. 1206207;1437275690;mod6;i guess src/obj-test needs to stay because of the test stubs & it's ref'd in the makefile. that's fine. 1206208;1437275740;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-07-2015#1182288 < my 'stator' finally completed blk0008.dat, got f7ab989febce649e49f8373f1c5a5fbd44008dd21eaf16ce0d1b73e1070421f0 1206209;1437275740;assbot;Logged on 01-07-2015 02:54:25; mod6: huh, now i have one chain that has 2 that match and one that differs: f7ab989febce649e49f8373f1c5a5fbd44008dd21eaf16ce0d1b73e1070421f0 blk0008.dat && b1d0da3ff6b2b2d6da096f06cf7359ca98e08490ab61202f94468587f51aaee5 blk0008.dat 1206210;1437275756;mod6;thx decimation 1206211;1437275829;mod6;I don't see any ref's in the makefile to src/obj/test 1206212;1437275837;mod6;i think that one can go away ^^ 1206213;1437275858;mod6;maybe i should just leave it for now. 1206214;1437275875;decimation;I haven't looked into that 1206215;1437276098;decimation;re: porsche inflation < http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/nyregion/manhattan-real-estate-market-surging-at-years-end.html "Those deals helped push the median sales price for Manhattan condos, including resales, up 14.3 percent to a record $1,320,000, according to the Elliman report." (year 2013) 1206216;1437276101;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnXPYu ) 1206217;1437276878;decimation;also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-03-2015#1042566 1206218;1437276878;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 04:41:23; decimation: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102477304 < "When it comes to price growth, however, New York topped the list for prime property worldwide, according to Knight Frank. Prices jumped 18 percent in New York in 2014. Aspen, Colorado, ranked second, with prices up 16 percent." 1206219;1437276972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00054873 = 5.2404 BTC [-] 1206220;1437277626;mod6;this problem is really goofy. 1206221;1437277642;mod6;i can't get it to remove the file and leave the dir, or to just truncate the file and leave the dir. 1206222;1437277647;mod6;lol 1206223;1437277765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.0005484 = 23.5812 BTC [-] {2} 1206224;1437278309;mod6;so that isn't gonna work. 1206225;1437278321;mod6;if anyone has any ideas on this, let me know. im stumped 1206226;1437278558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16501 @ 0.00053764 = 8.8716 BTC [-] 1206227;1437279351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20599 @ 0.00053728 = 11.0674 BTC [-] {2} 1206228;1437279412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19801 @ 0.00053289 = 10.5518 BTC [-] {2} 1206229;1437279948;mod6;`man 1 patch`: -E When patch removes a file, it also attempts to remove any empty ancestor directories. << i can't get it to leave the empty dirs. 1206230;1437280028;mod6;perhaps we just don't use my submitted patch and then I just prune the baracles by hand in the release source base. 1206231;1437280044;mod6;leaving the necessary directories. 1206232;1437280571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00055628 = 13.6845 BTC [+] {2} 1206233;1437281425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22775 @ 0.00053863 = 12.2673 BTC [-] {2} 1206234;1437283560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29564 @ 0.00054985 = 16.2558 BTC [+] {2} 1206235;1437283865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33967 @ 0.00055763 = 18.941 BTC [+] {3} 1206236;1437284536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00055783 = 11.6308 BTC [+] 1206237;1437286489;ben_vulpes;mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps? 1206238;1437286516;ben_vulpes;btw is it me or was linus retarded for making git work in such a way that one has to stick a file in a dir to get git to keep it around? 1206239;1437286534;ben_vulpes;AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails? 1206240;1437286544;ben_vulpes;the mind boggles 1206241;1437286580;*;ben_vulpes back to drinking with crazyfam 1206242;1437288440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00054694 = 16.6543 BTC [-] {2} 1206243;1437289172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00055783 = 2.7613 BTC [+] 1206244;1437290636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00054538 = 8.7806 BTC [-] 1206245;1437291612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3290 @ 0.00054346 = 1.788 BTC [-] 1206246;1437292598;punkman;mod6: punkman: I get this error when I try to compile with your patch http://dpaste.com/11G00N1.txt << strange 1206247;1437292599;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGLs5B ) 1206248;1437293076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00055783 = 10.4872 BTC [+] 1206249;1437293374;punkman;oic now, forgot to put ShrinkDebugFile back in after deleting in first version, sorry! 1206250;1437293747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7090 @ 0.00055471 = 3.9329 BTC [-] 1206251;1437293839;jurov;;;isup qntra.net 1206252;1437293843;gribble;qntra.net is down 1206253;1437293861;jurov;down and proud 1206254;1437294075;mircea_popescu;jurov myeah atm being ddos'd on like 4 ips 1206255;1437294082;mircea_popescu;i guess ima just buy a c block 1206256;1437294174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13340 @ 0.00055783 = 7.4415 BTC [+] 1206257;1437294244;jurov;how would that help? 1206258;1437294314;jurov;looks like you'll end up with content distribution network and that does not need one c block 1206259;1437294350;mircea_popescu;nah 1206260;1437294372;mircea_popescu;im all for it, let the guy waste his botnet time on qntra, 255 ips at a time, 65536 ips at a time, whatever. 1206261;1437294384;mircea_popescu;not like he's doing any damage to anything but himself. 1206262;1437294446;jurov;you think it's ionly some kids that will exhaust their resources soon? 1206263;1437294482;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1206264;1437294491;jurov;otherwise your whole C or even D block may get null routed instead... 1206265;1437294513;mircea_popescu;notrly how this works. 1206266;1437295089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27513 @ 0.00055471 = 15.2617 BTC [-] 1206267;1437295516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00055783 = 14.6151 BTC [+] {2} 1206268;1437297529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00055922 = 16.9164 BTC [+] {4} 1206269;1437299054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16726 @ 0.00056182 = 9.397 BTC [+] 1206270;1437302714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00056131 = 5.7534 BTC [-] 1206271;1437303141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00055825 = 24.4793 BTC [-] 1206272;1437303446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26811 @ 0.00055914 = 14.9911 BTC [+] {2} 1206273;1437303507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19489 @ 0.00056284 = 10.9692 BTC [+] 1206274;1437303799;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206064 << sounds yummy. i'll be attempting deployment and report. 1206275;1437303799;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 00:22:12; assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release. 1206276;1437303873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28847 @ 0.00055459 = 15.9983 BTC [-] {2} 1206277;1437303934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14253 @ 0.00055314 = 7.8839 BTC [-] 1206278;1437304279;mircea_popescu;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/comment-page-1/#comment-267798 for teh lulz 1206279;1437304281;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? (“basement”?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGSg3h ) 1206280;1437305224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205907 << yeah obviously you gotta freeze and release now and again. 1206281;1437305224;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 18:33:59; mod6: Anyway, most of the submissions so far have been pretty top notch. We want to encourage people in the WoT to submit patches. If something is submitted but doesn't make it into a release right away, that certainly doesn't mean it won't be pulled in to a later milestone. 1206282;1437305268;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205926 << word. 1206283;1437305268;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 19:07:35; ben_vulpes: I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script. 1206284;1437305507;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1206026 not even a bad idea, at that. 1206285;1437305507;assbot;Logged on 18-07-2015 21:38:39; felipelalli: keep both online, but when the free version is being attacked at least you have an alternative 1206286;1437305517;mircea_popescu;i guess we're all just holding our breaths for the gossipd 1206287;1437305655;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206063 << not like there's an obligation on the part of anyone to sign. if people are happy with what signatures they see, they can use. if not, not. 1206288;1437305655;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 00:22:12; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205870 << wai wut - ?? - no one signed that he has read, tested - and straight to release? 1206289;1437305743;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206080 << lawds have mercies. 1206290;1437305743;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 00:41:04; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer 1206291;1437305807;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206120 <<< someone gets it 1206292;1437305807;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 01:18:02; ben_vulpes: anyways, the drivetrain is incorrect. yes, electrical drive is fantastic for the low-end torque, but regen brakes of engineering necessity must clamp down insanely hard in order to maximize current out of the machines. 1206293;1437305848;mircea_popescu;there are TONS of such problems with the thing. not that they're necessarily unresolvable - maybe they'll get fixed. they won't get fixed however for a pet project that goes about as far as the "be an astronaut" curios. 1206294;1437305865;punkman;fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches 1206295;1437305908;mircea_popescu;if you can make a strong statement about some/all, signing's not a bad idea. 1206296;1437305940;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206146 << i've been mulling over this the whole fucking day, incidentally. if i were ceo of any automaker and the new model made the old models go up in price, i would on the spot fire the entire design team. 1206297;1437305940;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 01:31:55; pete_dushenski: easily 2-2.5x 2010 prices. easily. 1206298;1437305962;punkman;I'm 1206299;1437305965;mircea_popescu;with actual kicks to the backside, no joking around. "you are done in this industry and your mothers should be ashamed of fucking drunks" 1206300;1437305989;mircea_popescu;and this because if i were the board of an automaker where this happened and the ceo failed to so fire the design team, i'd so fire the ceo. 1206301;1437306006;mircea_popescu;this is failure of an unprecedented scale, i'm not even sure it can be put into words what exactly it means. 1206302;1437306033;mircea_popescu;it is in fact the superlative failure. 1206303;1437306516;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/6c78f64a9cf079591e14000cf747ece1/tumblr_n2hiv0hJsV1ra163eo7_r1_500.gif 1206304;1437306519;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J97Fnw ) 1206305;1437307533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00055314 = 2.3785 BTC [-] 1206306;1437308753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36162 @ 0.00055557 = 20.0905 BTC [+] {4} 1206307;1437310339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29256 @ 0.0005637 = 16.4916 BTC [+] {2} 1206308;1437312047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00056505 = 4.2096 BTC [+] 1206309;1437312291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00056573 = 8.1748 BTC [+] {2} 1206310;1437312535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00054822 = 19.7907 BTC [-] {2} 1206311;1437313877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54050 @ 0.00055107 = 29.7853 BTC [+] {3} 1206312;1437317171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22759 @ 0.00054622 = 12.4314 BTC [-] {3} 1206313;1437318086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25130 @ 0.00057306 = 14.401 BTC [+] {3} 1206314;1437319306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00056998 = 11.0861 BTC [-] 1206315;1437320160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00057472 = 9.3679 BTC [+] {2} 1206316;1437320465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16844 @ 0.00054479 = 9.1764 BTC [-] 1206317;1437322478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17162 @ 0.00057475 = 9.8639 BTC [+] 1206318;1437322722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17903 @ 0.00057326 = 10.2631 BTC [-] {2} 1206319;1437322783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2997 @ 0.00057531 = 1.7242 BTC [+] 1206320;1437324582;scoopbot_revived;The lulz of today, or "you think it's only some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?" http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-of-today-or-you-think-its-only-some-kids-that-will-exhaust-their-resources-soon/ 1206321;1437325381;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/hotdots/ 1206322;1437325382;assbot;Hot Dots ... ( http://bit.ly/1fVEtFr ) 1206323;1437327222;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/channel173/AliceRichard 1206324;1437327223;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeN1nq ) 1206325;1437327317;danielpbarron;Naphex, is it possible to initiate private shows, or at the very least send private messages to the model? 1206326;1437327528;Naphex;danielpbarron: nope 1206327;1437327536;Naphex;why? 1206328;1437327685;danielpbarron;i mean, why not? why does the troll box have to be visible to other wanker? 1206329;1437327697;danielpbarron;isn't the point to tell the girl what you'd like to see 1206330;1437327720;danielpbarron;having to do this on display infront of other guys isn't the most condusive to arousal i would imagine 1206331;1437327730;danielpbarron;or maybe i totally misunderstand the demographic you're looking to attract 1206332;1437327872;Naphex;ah :D didn't know you were that emberrased :) 1206333;1437327880;Naphex;perhaps try a new nickname :p 1206334;1437327894;Naphex;but seriously, at some point i will be adding a private button with pay per minute 1206335;1437328029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8967 @ 0.00055614 = 4.9869 BTC [-] 1206336;1437328456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00055614 = 12.3185 BTC [-] 1206337;1437329127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00057531 = 16.4826 BTC [+] 1206338;1437329493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00057569 = 11.888 BTC [+] {3} 1206339;1437329844;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps? << it seems that way kinda. i guess people tend to use .gitkeep (an unsupported work around instead. but w/e) 1206340;1437329897;mod6; <+ben_vulpes> AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails? << yeah, it's not really linus or git, it's patch that does the dirty work. and yeah, the makefile depends on being able to write to some of the dirs. 1206341;1437329951;mod6;<+punkman> oic now, forgot to put ShrinkDebugFile back in after deleting in first version, sorry! << np, just resubmit and i'll give it another try. or even just pass me a version before submit if you like just to be sure it works. np. 1206342;1437330101;scoopbot_revived;Porscheflation and the death of automotive purity. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/19/porscheflation-and-the-death-of-automotive-purity/ 1206343;1437330164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91995 @ 0.00054932 = 50.5347 BTC [-] {5} 1206344;1437330225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31355 @ 0.00053912 = 16.9041 BTC [-] {3} 1206345;1437330290;mod6;oh and there is a new Gentoo guide for nomultilib/glibc -- I created it yesterday & trinque verified as well: 1206346;1437330321;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt 1206347;1437330322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKHZ3E ) 1206348;1437330339;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide-wFullExamples.txt 1206349;1437330340;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKHZAw ) 1206350;1437330358;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206294 << share plz 1206351;1437330358;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 11:37:45; punkman: fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches 1206352;1437330419;asciilifeform;i've been waiting to hear somebody describe ~some~, even very theoretical, down side for those 1206353;1437330442;mod6;So this can be used as a test platform for all the patches, etc. . If you're really ambitious you can install gentoo as above ^^ then use this to pull down the v0.5.3.1 basecode and apply these patches: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt 1206354;1437330443;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CQdaWK ) 1206355;1437330488;mod6;But you'll still have to create your own distfiles + ourlibs then drop in ssl/bdb/boost into distfiles. then pull down stator and build. 1206356;1437330613;mod6;so yeah this is annoying with `patch`. if you do `patch -p1 --posix < rm_gitignore.patch` it doesn't remove the dirs /or/ the files, just leaves 'em truncated. which is dumb too. 1206357;1437330668;mod6;i searched lastnight for a looong time to find anything to tell patch to no prune empty directories, but it doesnt seem like an available option. 1206358;1437330702;mod6;s/no/not/ 1206359;1437330727;asciilifeform;mod6: iirc patch cannot remove dirs. which is why i wrote 'chicken' the way i did 1206360;1437330733;asciilifeform;this is all in the logz. 1206361;1437330742;mod6;it does remove dirs. 1206362;1437330746;asciilifeform;hm 1206363;1437330761;mod6;check out `man 1 patch` -E 1206364;1437330766;asciilifeform;ah i recall 1206365;1437330777;asciilifeform;it removes files by shitting out the whole file as a minus sign delta 1206366;1437330779;asciilifeform;which pissed me off 1206367;1437330801;asciilifeform;(what kind of imbecile thought that this was appropriate ?!) 1206368;1437330826;mod6;yeah, it basically zero's out the file, and then it seems to remove the file with -N (diff) and if there is nothing left in the directory, it zaps that as well. 1206369;1437330862;mod6;lol, yeah it's obnoxious. and i think the only way to solve this is to remove them by hand. 1206370;1437330893;mod6;but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke. 1206371;1437330913;asciilifeform;wai wat 1206372;1437330937;asciilifeform;i'm still not entirely grasping how all of this came about 1206373;1437331005;mod6;ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. seems easy enough, so crated a quick patch, attempted to apply, worked fine -- I didn't notice that it blew away the directories as well though. : obj/test obj/nogui obj-test 1206374;1437331033;asciilifeform;possibly ought to be a shell script rather than patch. 1206375;1437331039;mod6;here's the patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000125.html 1206376;1437331040;assbot;[BTC-dev] Remove .gitignore files from Reference Implementationcodebase ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKIBX1 ) 1206377;1437331053;asciilifeform;unix patch util is diagnosably retarded, we knew this 1206378;1437331078;mod6;yah, and when applied `patch` ends up removing the dirs along with the .gitignore files because it renderes those directories empty. 1206379;1437331092;mod6;lol, it's trying to be helpful. 1206380;1437331099;mod6;"why would you want an empty directory!" 1206381;1437331103;mod6;smh 1206382;1437331160;mod6;so... yah, a bash script or removal by hand. would be fine i'd think. but now i gotta test it a bit harder. if we leave empty directories in there, im worred that patch might come along at a later time and be helpful again, removing those object output diretories. 1206383;1437331185;mod6;unless our solution is to add .keep files in there, which i think kinda sucks. 1206384;1437331197;mod6;if i want an empty dir, i should be able to have an empty dir 1206385;1437331280;mod6;anyway i'll work on it. just don't use the rm_gitignore patch. 1206386;1437331628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00057588 = 7.3137 BTC [+] {2} 1206387;1437331787;mod6;i might just be dumb. build a test env with http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt and see if anyone can get the rm_gitignore.patch file to apply without removing the obj/test obj/nogui or obj-test dirrs 1206388;1437331788;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKJCy8 ) 1206389;1437331922;mod6;well, thats weird. it seems to remove obj/test and obj/nogui, but NOT obj-test which is left empty?!!? 1206390;1437331932;mod6;now im really confused. 1206391;1437331933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00055166 = 19.8873 BTC [-] {2} 1206392;1437332006;mod6;the only thing in the obj-test directory before applying that patch is '.gitignore' so why wouldn't it be removed like obj/test and obj/nogui? 1206393;1437332342;mod6;maybe the best option is to add a one line shell script that just does: `find . -name ".gitignore" -exec rm '{}' \;` 1206394;1437332349;mod6;that'll leave the dirs in place 1206395;1437332360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107450 @ 0.00053397 = 57.3751 BTC [-] {4} 1206396;1437332570;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/silicon-valley-struggles-to-hack-its-diversity-problem/2015/07/16/0b0144be-2053-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html < lol the 'google is racisis' shoe is dropping, as predicted by anyone with a brain 1206397;1437332572;assbot;Silicon Valley struggles to hack its diversity problem - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CQgdOH ) 1206398;1437332589;decimation;"Yahoo disclosed last week that African Americans made up just 2 percent of its workers, while Hispanics stood at 4 percent. Those revelations came days after Facebook reported that in 2014 it had employed just 81 blacks among its 5,500 U.S. workers." 1206399;1437332605;decimation;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html < " Google, of course, claims the fact that it would rather hire out of East Bosnia than East Palo Alto is a competitive trade secret. Well, I suppose. Curiously enough, Apple, Yahoo, and Oracle share the same secret. Ha, ha! Is it a secret to you? It's not a secret to me!" 1206400;1437332606;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: Technology, communism and the Brown Scare ... ( http://bit.ly/1CQghhw ) 1206401;1437332901;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu whitehouse .org ?! iirc that was a parody site... 1206402;1437332901;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1206403;1437332922;decimation;I thought it was a porn site 1206404;1437332934;asciilifeform;this re: http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-of-today-or-you-think-its-only-some-kids-that-will-exhaust-their-resources-soon 1206405;1437332935;assbot;The lulz of today, or "you think it's only some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKLzL8 ) 1206406;1437332965;decimation;also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel? 1206407;1437333052;asciilifeform;decimation: i think so 1206408;1437333295;kakobrekla;its https://www.whatsmydns.net 1206409;1437333297;assbot;Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/1CQh0iR ) 1206410;1437333331;jurov;https://www.distractify.com/top-athletes-go-nude-showcase-amazingly-sculpted-bodies-in-espn-mag-1253697340.html not nsfw but perhaps will do :) 1206411;1437333331;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1206412;1437333333;assbot;Top Athletes Go Nude, Showcase Amazingly Sculpted Bodies in ESPN Mag ... ( http://bit.ly/1CQh6aa ) 1206413;1437333343;asciilifeform;so why did mircea_popescu clobber a random derp site ? 1206414;1437333370;asciilifeform;(iirc one of us suggested this experiment nearly a year ago, but noted that the proper whitehouse oughta be used) 1206415;1437333390;decimation;the amusing thing to me is that the 'ddos cannon' is using dns 1206416;1437333419;decimation;but I too am curious how disabling qntra's dns while clobbering random bystanders helps anybody 1206417;1437333461;decimation;I suppose it kinda has to use dns to defeat trival remappings 1206418;1437333473;asciilifeform;aha 1206419;1437333653;decimation;at any rate, it does seem that the 'content distribution network' approach is the only one that seems to hold up against this kinda crap 1206420;1437333674;decimation;granted, it's expensive to build and maintain, but it was kinda baked into the way the internet works 1206421;1437333826;decimation;why not take the 'pay per page' subscription model one step further? 'pay to route' pakets, in btc? 1206422;1437333859;asciilifeform;have fun with tx fees and hour-long confirmations for packet 1206423;1437333880;decimation;heh, well obviously you would prepay 1206424;1437333934;jurov;and routers verifying sigs for 1e6 packets/sec , rly? 1206425;1437333945;asciilifeform;jurov: that part's easy. 1206426;1437333952;decimation;you could put a packet counter pretty easily 1206427;1437333959;decimation;automation could talk & update router regularly 1206428;1437333969;decimation;no sigs, just ips 1206429;1437333987;asciilifeform;a stateful solution is ipso facto a wrong solution. 1206430;1437333989;jurov;everyone does spoofed ips 1206431;1437333995;decimation;now, the scammer could discover a 'credited ip' and run down its account 1206432;1437333998;asciilifeform;^ and for other reasons. 1206433;1437334006;asciilifeform;SIGNATURE IN EVERY MOTHERFUCKING PACKET 1206434;1437334009;asciilifeform;or no route. 1206435;1437334013;decimation;asciilifeform: well, I agree with that too 1206436;1437334020;asciilifeform;at all levels, too. 1206437;1437334027;decimation;but remember how it was rejected as being 'too friendly to third parties' 1206438;1437334078;asciilifeform;this is also why every packet is rsa-encrypted to the destination's pubkey. 1206439;1437334081;jurov;asciilifeform: how would that cheap 1e6/sec sig verificating router look? 1206440;1437334091;asciilifeform;jurov: asic 1206441;1437334098;decimation;jurov: yeah it would need to be done in custom logic 1206442;1437334111;decimation;jurov: to be fair, cisco does the same thing (custom logic in router) 1206443;1437334134;jurov;of course, but cisco just moves bits and does not do crypto 1206444;1437334141;asciilifeform;the heroic bandwidths are, imho, unnecessary - the only thing it needs to do extremely quickly is to reject enemy garbage 1206445;1437334146;decimation;^ 1206446;1437334154;decimation;for webpages anyway 1206447;1437334160;decimation;maybe crypto-netflix is later 1206448;1437334210;decimation;asciilifeform: how could you route if the destination were encrypted? 1206449;1437334217;decimation;some kind of onion-routing? 1206450;1437334221;asciilifeform;decimation: wot routing 1206451;1437334239;asciilifeform;'mother taught me never to speak with strangers' (tm) (r) 1206452;1437334240;jurov;but if you check sigs at destination, then you haven't solved ddos at all 1206453;1437334280;jurov;they need to be checked at places where do 1e6 pkt/sec flow 1206454;1437334298;asciilifeform;jurov: aha. and you check them at line speed. 1206455;1437334301;asciilifeform;with asic 1206456;1437334312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.0005763 = 22.4757 BTC [+] {2} 1206457;1437334326;jurov;any asic that comes even close to that? ecdsa/2048RSA? 1206458;1437334339;asciilifeform;jurov: recall what asic means 1206459;1437334349;asciilifeform;what it means is, designed for the occasion 1206460;1437334356;decimation;sure, you could do line-speed rsa 1206461;1437334364;asciilifeform;none of this is an open problem in any sense 1206462;1437334383;decimation;probably could go to opencores right now and find a crypto block 1206463;1437334392;asciilifeform;decimation: wouldn't go that far 1206464;1437334409;asciilifeform;probably needs to be designed the old-fashioned way, to get real performance 1206465;1437334413;asciilifeform;rather than hll synthesis 1206466;1437334414;jurov;we can do asics that easily do 1e6*1e5 operations per second ? 1206467;1437334430;jurov;(ecdsa is on order of 1e5) 1206468;1437334432;decimation;jurov: 1 gigabit ~= 8333 packets/sec 1206469;1437334441;asciilifeform;jurov: checking sigs parallelizes linearly 1206470;1437334471;asciilifeform;the only thing you need the fast logic for is to mux/demux to the processing pipes 1206471;1437334524;decimation;it might add a tiny bit of latency 1206472;1437334533;jurov;dear decimation these ddoses have tens or hundreds gigabits... and not with 1500 byt packets 1206473;1437334537;phf;build FIDO on top of gossipd ;) 1206474;1437334562;asciilifeform;jurov: understand that the solution has to be deployed as a network, rather than in one point 1206475;1437334573;asciilifeform;a network that a wotless wolf cannot even connect to in any meaningful sense. 1206476;1437334581;jurov;but i understood it will be built on ip anyway 1206477;1437334582;asciilifeform;wolf gets to stay in the forest, outside city walls 1206478;1437334599;asciilifeform;can build on anything you like 1206479;1437334600;decimation;which is roughly the position we are all in, failing to have $$ mil networks 1206480;1437334632;decimation;jurov: why does qntra need more than 1 gigabit 1206481;1437334644;jurov;what if there are million wolves and you must check their sigs? 1206482;1437334656;jurov;decimation: it does not need gigabit! 1206483;1437334678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00057699 = 6.0007 BTC [+] 1206484;1437334678;jurov;but if you get gigawolves via ip arriginv, how are you getting sheep through? 1206485;1437334697;asciilifeform;jurov: the point is that the million wolves are, in your example, all lining up at one gate 1206486;1437334698;decimation;they have valid sigs? 1206487;1437334709;asciilifeform;why is there only one gate ? 1206488;1437334727;jurov;how does the gate look? like tor enter node? 1206489;1437334750;asciilifeform;approximately 1206490;1437334758;jurov;ah that i wanted to know 1206491;1437334776;asciilifeform;and since we aren't a usg wankatron like tor, there is no reason for all of the 'gates' to be publicly advertised 1206492;1437334781;asciilifeform;or even to remain the same from day to day 1206493;1437334820;decimation;I think ascii is proposing something like tor except everyone knows everyone else, and routes accordingly 1206494;1437334828;jurov;!s cjdns 1206495;1437334831;assbot;10 results for 'cjdns' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cjdns 1206496;1437334862;asciilifeform;decimation: this is rather like saying 'proposed something like a chair, except that it flies through space and takes pictures' 1206497;1437334922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00057699 = 10.4435 BTC [+] 1206498;1437334942;asciilifeform;gossip net is rather more like anarchist 'cells' than anything else. 1206499;1437335012;phf;it's more fidonet with crypto handshakes 1206500;1437335016;asciilifeform;aha 1206501;1437335047;decimation;back in the day, ham radio folks used to run something much like fidonet except completely over shortwave/vhf radio 1206502;1437335051;asciilifeform;but the aspect i'd like to emphasize - one which mircea_popescu thought to be an optional frill and did not include in his spec - is the single-packet authentication. 1206503;1437335069;asciilifeform;it is the one and only pill against ddos 1206504;1437335094;decimation;as I recall his objection is that he didn't want third parties to be able to easily glean identites from packets 1206505;1437335106;asciilifeform;generally speaking, your machine - to an attacker lacking the keys - must look exactly like an empty wall socket to the enemy. 1206506;1437335118;phf;and you want it to be fully stateless? 1206507;1437335135;asciilifeform;decimation: attacker cannot glean identity from an rsa-encrypted packet sent to a known public key 1206508;1437335147;asciilifeform;payload (incl. the signature) is in the crypted blob 1206509;1437335157;decimation;yeah I didn't recall the encrypted part being mentioned before 1206510;1437335165;decimation;clear signatures would 1206511;1437335168;asciilifeform;~i~ mentioned it 1206512;1437335175;decimation;gonna have to re-read 1206513;1437335187;asciilifeform;again, it wasn't in mircea_popescu's spec 1206514;1437335202;decimation;yeah I was more interested in the argument that generated it 1206515;1437335233;asciilifeform;iirc he still thinks that ip as it exists now can be entirely abstracted over, and that the spec ought not mention details like packets 1206516;1437335246;decimation;my earlier proposal of 'charging per packet routed' is a jungle way of implementing this 1206517;1437335270;decimation;I see ip has here to stay forever, because of the $$ bil it would cost to do otherwise 1206518;1437335300;decimation;maybe even $$ tril 1206519;1437335351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well the whole thing's a parody. 1206520;1437335362;mircea_popescu;anyway, wanted to see i can first take down random sites with it 1206521;1437335371;mircea_popescu;not like you're going to see it on wh.gov 1206522;1437335430;decimation;you did force the attacker to lay down one card 1206523;1437335509;mircea_popescu;23.45.18.92 pings just fine. honestly it'd be sad if it didn't. 1206524;1437335629;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206352 << obviously, inasmuch as they're the result of lengthy consideration / involved discussion here, their unexpected downsides shouldn't be expected to be provided by us. 1206525;1437335629;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 18:26:59; asciilifeform: i've been waiting to hear somebody describe ~some~, even very theoretical, down side for those 1206526;1437335647;mircea_popescu;apparently either there's none or everyone else in bitcoin is just watching tv. 1206527;1437335748;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206370 << this makes sense. 1206528;1437335748;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 18:34:53; mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke. 1206529;1437335837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00057753 = 19.7515 BTC [+] {3} 1206530;1437335918;asciilifeform;there is a basic principle which applies equally to the 'orphanage' discussions and to today's ddos thread: NEVER give derps something valuable just for showing up 1206531;1437335926;asciilifeform;in NO possible universe does this lead to anything but grief 1206532;1437335942;asciilifeform;there is NO circumventing this, because ultimately it is a thermodynamic law 1206533;1437335961;decimation;asciilifeform: in this way you can see how the internet 'as is' is doomed to some degree 1206534;1437335981;asciilifeform;decimation: it is as doomed as the cartoon wolf who walks off the cliff and does not necessarily notice - at first 1206535;1437336009;decimation;no, I would argue that the benefits accrue to specific corporations 1206536;1437336036;mircea_popescu;obviously. 1206537;1437336037;decimation;for instance, spam drives everyone to big isp mail hosts, gmail, etc - not only for spam protection but also for 'web of trust' 1206538;1437336056;asciilifeform;decimation: re: the orphanages, if you have them at all, what you're doing is 'i'll store this piece of shit on your say-so, and MAYBE it will be shown to be a valid block (rx) later' 1206539;1437336061;asciilifeform;hence 'jam tomorrow' 1206540;1437336064;decimation;'web of trust' in this case being the poorly done implmentations of smtp routing 1206541;1437336072;mircea_popescu;decimation riddle me this : you don't like reading dumb "newspapers", but how many good ones were sunk by exactly this before you heard of them ? 1206542;1437336088;mircea_popescu;the process ensures everyone has to swim in the same pisspool. 1206543;1437336129;decimation;yeah it's a fair point 1206544;1437336160;decimation;the pre-digital version was expecting some kind of handout/human attenion being paid to a stranger 1206545;1437336216;decimation;similarly, the 'ddos attackers' end up driving everyone to akamai, etc 1206546;1437336268;decimation;virii/malware benefit mcaffee and usg's 'cyber' budget 1206547;1437336386;decimation;asciilifeform: I predict the bitcoin version will be resolved with some kind of central transaction clearhouse monopoly, sadly 1206548;1437336415;asciilifeform;decimation: in what sense would that look like 'bitcoin' at all ? 1206549;1437336457;decimation;what other option is there? 1206550;1437336466;decimation;spv mining? 1206551;1437336490;decimation;satoshi was being dumb when he failed to program payments for caching 1206552;1437336525;asciilifeform;i still utterly fail to see what is so wrong with classic bitcoin 1206553;1437336550;decimation;umm, didn't you just complain about the orphan problem? 1206554;1437336565;asciilifeform;i shot that problem in the head 1206555;1437336569;asciilifeform;while remaining compatible 1206556;1437336573;asciilifeform;hence it was not part of 'bitcoin' at all. 1206557;1437336587;decimation;hehe good point 1206558;1437336595;asciilifeform;it was just a piece of shit stuck to the skin, not a tumour 1206559;1437336613;decimation;but someone still needs to hold transactions until they 'clear' 1206560;1437336633;asciilifeform;think of it this way - the mempool isn't, by the same token, really 'part of bitcoin' either 1206561;1437336645;asciilifeform;there are 1,001 possible ways to queue up transactions for miners to choose from 1206562;1437336657;decimation;mempool in this case being the gigantic c++ 'map' that holds transactions in memory? 1206563;1437336665;phf;re: orphanage, i'm still investigating, but there's no reason why we can't have a better initial sync block handoff strategy, that doesn't get stock, because some parent in an orphanage subchain failed to get sent out 1206564;1437336668;asciilifeform;the current one mostly works. if sufficiently abused, and folks with actual stake in the matter get sufficiently annoyed, another one will be used 1206565;1437336676;phf;*get stuck 1206566;1437336677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu suggested at least one alternate scheme, iirc 1206567;1437336701;asciilifeform;phf: in case you missed it, my nodes are not stuck 1206568;1437336724;decimation;I suppose my point (central clearinghouse) is that I foresee some entity like akamai that will 'magic away' this problem for miners, who will all pay for the service 1206569;1437336751;asciilifeform;if the miners want to march into a usg mousetrap, no problem 1206570;1437336759;asciilifeform;it will snap shut, and a new set will be born 1206571;1437336790;decimation;yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive 1206572;1437336811;decimation;because miners are gonna want max fees with min latency 1206573;1437336856;jurov;it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees 1206574;1437336875;jurov;only needs wallet that creates N copies of the tx with N addresses 1206575;1437336882;jurov;let them compete 1206576;1437336940;decimation;jurov, what is 'N'? the length of the cache? 1206577;1437336949;jurov;no, N nodes 1206578;1437336954;decimation;ah I see 1206579;1437336981;phf;asciilifeform: it's not a permanent stuck, but a slowdown. i haven't sent out that orphanage graph that i posted some time ago, because i'm still kicking shit around, but the beahior that you can see from it, is that blocks are sent out as multiple subchains. when a subchain arrives that's missing a parent subchain, it gets rejected many times over and over, until parent subchain is filled in. i think the behavior can be improved by 1206580;1437336981;phf;mucking around with the code that desides what blocks to send to a requesting client 1206581;1437336982;decimation;yeah that's kinda what I'm hinting at I guess 1206582;1437337016;decimation;jurov: I was envision the miners paying for your caches, on the assumption that most folks won't want to pay a third party to clearn bitcoin 1206583;1437337048;asciilifeform;phf: it would be absolutely trivial to send blocks in a sane way to compatible clients. 'embrace & extend' protocol 1206584;1437337053;jurov;most people are not interesting here 1206585;1437337068;asciilifeform;^^^ 1206586;1437337087;decimation;yeah, it's a fair point. that point has been made 1206587;1437337103;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gentoo.jpg << for serious gentoo aficionados only ! 1206588;1437337105;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dp23iJ ) 1206589;1437337114;decimation;even in the fiat world, actual people transmitting actual money would expect to pay 1206590;1437337130;phf;asciilifeform: well, i wouldn't say "trivial", but yes 1206591;1437337208;decimation;asciilifeform: was that taken at a zoo? 1206592;1437337217;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, where else. central park. 1206593;1437337240;decimation;heh. I admit part of me wants to journey to the falkland islands to see the gentoos 1206594;1437337308;phf;asciilifeform: of course the easiest option is to add a new network command, that does a sane request for initial block chain parts, but i think it can still be done within the framework of current sync model 1206595;1437337340;asciilifeform;i see nothing wrong with a 'get block N' command. 1206596;1437337344;decimation;phf you are thinking 'give me block #N'? 1206597;1437337345;decimation;heh 1206598;1437337378;decimation;asciilifeform: what if you have an ongoing fork? 1206599;1437337390;asciilifeform;then same situation as now 1206600;1437337395;decimation;I suppose the serving node still has some idea of what block N is 1206601;1437337400;phf;where N is the hash or the height? 1206602;1437337404;asciilifeform;height! 1206603;1437337406;decimation;yes 1206604;1437337408;phf;right 1206605;1437337458;decimation;actually such a command would be very useful for a 'fork detector' 1206606;1437337478;phf;well, that's certainly a way to cut gordian knot 1206607;1437337525;ag3nt_zer0;good day all... 1206608;1437337604;ag3nt_zer0;I am trying to enter my public key at nosuchlabs.com but am getting an internal server error 1206609;1437337645;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: it is mighty busy 1206610;1437337649;asciilifeform;please do try again 1206611;1437337662;phf;at which point do you stop doing get block # and switch back to current sync process? or never? 1206612;1437337694;asciilifeform;why ever 1206613;1437337734;ag3nt_zer0;am i supposed to enter the entire text file, including ---Begin Public Key Block----, or just the string of shit? sorry don't know the technical term... 1206614;1437337748;asciilifeform;whole thing 1206615;1437337753;ag3nt_zer0;thx 1206616;1437337809;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gentoo2.jpg << moar gentoo! 1206617;1437337814;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dp32zk ) 1206618;1437337873;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ln2.jpg << liquid n2 on the steets of manhattan. every coupla blocks 1206619;1437337878;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dp37mE ) 1206620;1437337889;asciilifeform;the hose disappears into a telco pit 1206621;1437337953;asciilifeform;(why? almost certainly for the same reason as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656219 where i live) 1206622;1437337953;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2014 21:23:21; asciilifeform: instead, there are tanks of co2 chained to poles here and there 1206623;1437337972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21630 @ 0.00057881 = 12.5197 BTC [+] 1206624;1437338020;punkman;mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. << I dunno why patch was needed for this, just remove them manually in next release 1206625;1437338021;asciilifeform;long ago, i used to work with dewars quite like these. and never expected to find them on city streets 1206626;1437338077;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juZqGU9iuq0 1206627;1437338078;assbot;The Liquid Nitrogen Tanks of New York - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dp3mOu ) 1206628;1437338085;asciilifeform;^ apparently other folks noticed 1206629;1437338239;asciilifeform;when i saw them, i started following the hose, in hopes of finding an ln2 icecream monger ! 1206630;1437338264;asciilifeform;(an old university delicacy.) 1206631;1437338287;punkman;asciilifeform: I don't really have a theory. are we sure that nuked orphanage can't cause more wedges? 1206632;1437338325;asciilifeform;punkman: i have yet to conceive of any wedge or other undesirable effect from it, other than a bit of wasted bandwidth 1206633;1437338335;phf;i think maybe getblocks already works like "get block N" where n is block height. client sends out his top block on a chain, and server responds with a sequences (?) of blocks from then on 1206634;1437338338;asciilifeform;(since you can't stop other folks from sending you bastard garbage) 1206635;1437338665;punkman;do they have liquid nitrogen in other US cities? 1206636;1437338671;punkman;seems expensive to maintain 1206637;1437338683;asciilifeform;punkman: here in dc region they use tanks of compressed co2 1206638;1437338700;asciilifeform;the one i spoke of in the linked thread hasn't been changed in... 2yrs 1206639;1437338703;asciilifeform;if not longer 1206640;1437338709;asciilifeform;quite empty 1206641;1437338718;punkman;I have never seen any such thing in europe, perhaps they hide them 1206642;1437338721;asciilifeform;the ones in nyc were fresh, covered in frost 1206643;1437338749;asciilifeform;i do not know how long they have been there, but would dare to guess that it is since the flood a few yrs ago 1206644;1437338798;asciilifeform;punkman: bottled dry gas is not a standard feature of copper phone grid! 1206645;1437338806;punkman;guess it's cheaper than digging out shitty cables and replacing them 1206646;1437338808;asciilifeform;normally, there are dry air machines at the exchange 1206647;1437338821;asciilifeform;they blow straight into cable ducts 1206648;1437338836;asciilifeform;(for fiber, all of this is entirely unnecessary) 1206649;1437338865;punkman;don't fiber bundles have copper sometimes? 1206650;1437338877;asciilifeform;for what ? 1206651;1437338898;asciilifeform;optically-pumped repeaters are sop for... last decade ? 1206652;1437338938;punkman;optically pumped repeaters? that sounds interesting 1206653;1437338989;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_communications_repeater 1206654;1437338990;assbot;Optical communications repeater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kf6tQN ) 1206655;1437339167;Naphex;nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3dumhy/we_are_alice_jessica_victoria_and_brandy_from/ 1206656;1437339412;Naphex;that cam on stick thing 1206657;1437339414;Naphex;pretty cool 1206658;1437339419;mod6;<+punkman> mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. << I dunno why patch was needed for this, just remove them manually in next release << yeah, i mentioned that after the fact lastnight. but was discussed here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206370 << this makes sense. 1206659;1437339419;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 18:34:53; mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke. 1206660;1437339612;mod6;<+mod6> so... yah, a bash script or removal by hand. would be fine i'd think. but now i gotta test it a bit harder. if we leave empty directories in there, im worred that patch might come along at a later time and be helpful again, removing those object output diretories. << so if i do remove them by hand, have to ensure that these empty dirs wont get nuked later on accident 1206661;1437339802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 980 @ 0.00111 = 1.0878 BTC 1206662;1437340059;ag3nt_zer0;!rate phf 1 helpful 1206663;1437340059;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6cbe5193f62deee9 1206664;1437340191;punkman;mod6, nuke the empty dirs, have the build script or makefile create them when it needs them? 1206665;1437340248;mod6;sure there are other options. nothing quite as simple as "just blow away the .gitignore files" 1206666;1437340266;mod6;s/simple/clean/ 1206667;1437340290;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 64 connections on s.nsa node - a new record 1206668;1437340298;mod6;cool! 1206669;1437340313;asciilifeform;we will need more, more of these. 1206670;1437340327;asciilifeform;and a peer discrimination mechanism. 1206671;1437340340;asciilifeform;(something notably absent atm) 1206672;1437340344;decimation;asciilifeform: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11907-superconducting-power-line-to-shore-up-new-york-grid < you might have found superconducting electric lines 1206673;1437340346;assbot;Superconducting power line to shore up New York grid - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kf8igD ) 1206674;1437340362;asciilifeform;decimation: nah. these were telco holes 1206675;1437340369;decimation;low noise amps is a possibility 1206676;1437340397;decimation;every rf guy knows noise = k*temp*bandwidth 1206677;1437340421;asciilifeform;http://gothamist.com/2008/01/31/nitrogen_tanks.php 1206678;1437340422;assbot;New York's Nitrogen Tanks: Gothamist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kf8nkx ) 1206679;1437340477;decimation;it's odd that they would use nitrogen instead of dry air machine 1206680;1437340493;decimation;maybe they need high pressure or something 1206681;1437340595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00057956 = 23.9648 BTC [+] {4} 1206682;1437340608;asciilifeform;decimation: cheap, in the short term 1206683;1437340625;asciilifeform;not to mention that dry air machine is a large, central thing, and needs intact ducts 1206684;1437340636;asciilifeform;(the latter are, possibly, no longer there, since the flood) 1206685;1437340662;decimation;yeah, also this google 'answer' http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=309530 1206686;1437340663;assbot;Google Answers: Liquid nitrogen into sewers - why? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Opzt7k ) 1206687;1437340675;decimation;" 1206688;1437340675;decimation;"Re: liquid nitrogen... 1206689;1437340676;decimation;Con Ed in New York City puts 160 L dewars on the street and uses the 1206690;1437340676;decimation;cold gas to cool transformer vaults in the summer. The Dewars sit on 1206691;1437340678;decimation;the street all over Manhattan." 1206692;1437340768;decimation;http://www.popsci.com/those-nitrogen-canisters-nyc-streets-are-keeping-your-internet-cables-cool "“We’ve done a lot of work to get these off the street,” Johnson said. “It’s a big expense. This is not our business.” Just refilling the tank costs about $100, Diachok said, which they have to do every day to every three days. Right now in the city, Verizon has 54 tanks at 28 sites, and that number goes up in the winter when t 1206693;1437340768;assbot;Page Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpzFTO ) 1206694;1437340819;decimation;yeah apparently they also use the expansion of the gas to cool the lines next to hot steam, etc 1206695;1437340878;asciilifeform;collapse bandages. 1206696;1437340910;decimation;heh yeah pretty much. 'oh we installed shit on top of shit, what kind of bandaids can we use to keep the mess running rather than investing in fixing the problem?' 1206697;1437340978;decimation;it's not unlike the ddos/spam problem mentioned earlier - each entity sees the street and sewer vaults as a zone to stuff shit for 'free' 1206698;1437340993;decimation;'tragedy of the commons' 1206699;1437341517;ben_vulpes;mod6: re gitkeeps do we even know why those empty dirs are necessary for a succesful compile? 1206700;1437341567;ben_vulpes;i've been able to get on the computer for maybe 10 minutes max at a stretch over the past few days, or i'd take a crack at it myself and figure it out 1206701;1437341586;phf;ben_vulpes: because makefile.unix expects them, (search for obj/nogui/%.o: %.cpp, etc.) 1206702;1437341587;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, punkman, panzers et al 1206703;1437341611;ben_vulpes;so instead of duct taping the thing together perhaps fix the makefile? 1206704;1437341613;phf;it's totally a makefile.unix artifact, since building with cmake/clang works without them 1206705;1437341619;phf;yes please 1206706;1437341624;ben_vulpes;p plz 1206707;1437341654;ben_vulpes;phf later i'll want to pick your brain about compiling boost under clang/os x 1206708;1437341659;ben_vulpes;but you know 1206709;1437341666;ben_vulpes;snorkels and family call 1206710;1437341690;phf;priorities! 1206711;1437341724;ben_vulpes;i am clearly not elite enough to set my own priorities, otherwise i'd be down on the beach with a margarita and my laptop 1206712;1437341725;ben_vulpes;OH WELL 1206713;1437341749;*;ben_vulpes off again 1206714;1437341788;decimation;boost compiles fine with macports 1206715;1437341792;jurov;beach+laptop=onoes 1206716;1437341793;decimation;but macports appears to want to use clang 1206717;1437341937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21298 @ 0.00058075 = 12.3688 BTC [+] 1206718;1437342181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00055534 = 26.3231 BTC [-] {2} 1206719;1437342406;decimation;http://www.thelocal.es/20150716/night-drone-mystery-at-spains-royal-palace " The privacy of Spain’s royal family is being invaded by unmanned aircraft which are using the cover of darkness to venture into airspace above King Felipe’s residence." 1206720;1437342407;assbot;Night drone mystery at Spanish royal palace - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcNww3 ) 1206721;1437342435;decimation;^ typical solution to 'tragedy of the commons' problem 1206722;1437342448;decimation;or rather this: " Spain’s Ministry of Defence is said to be interested in introducing measures that will prevent drones flying in high-security zones following initiatives in London and Paris." 1206723;1437342669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10127 @ 0.00055476 = 5.6181 BTC [-] 1206724;1437342716;punkman;decimation: lol "measures" 1206725;1437343485;mod6;<+phf> ben_vulpes: because makefile.unix expects them, (search for obj/nogui/%.o: %.cpp, etc.) << ben_vulpes yeah this stuff 1206726;1437343537;mod6;<+asciilifeform> we will need more, more of these. << indeed 1206727;1437343907;decimation;lol related to the earlier discussions about anti-confederates & anti-nazis: http://www.thelocal.es/20150706/madrid-mayor-to-rid-city-of-franco " Manuela Carmena, the new left-wing mayor of Madrid, is set to get rid of all street signs bearing references to the late dictator Francisco Franco, replacing them with the names of illustrious women and local heroes." 1206728;1437343907;assbot;Madrid mayor to rid city of dictator Franco - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1SvXg5U ) 1206729;1437344743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00058075 = 8.7113 BTC [+] 1206730;1437344926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93350 @ 0.00055475 = 51.7859 BTC [-] {2} 1206731;1437345691;decimation;!up _flow_ 1206732;1437345835;decimation;8~ 1206733;1437346695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20704 @ 0.00058075 = 12.0238 BTC [+] 1206734;1437346817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26309 @ 0.00058098 = 15.285 BTC [+] {3} 1206735;1437347000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27565 @ 0.00058239 = 16.0536 BTC [+] {2} 1206736;1437347061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1871 @ 0.00058339 = 1.0915 BTC [+] 1206737;1437348403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14547 @ 0.00056253 = 8.1831 BTC [-] {3} 1206738;1437348464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69203 @ 0.00055148 = 38.1641 BTC [-] {2} 1206739;1437350300;mod6;i've tried this thing 48 ways from sunday. context diff, unified, truncated files, removed files with/without -E smh 1206740;1437350403;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#822058 < and often a 'populist' megalomaniac 1206741;1437350403;assbot;Logged on 07-09-2014 20:39:31; decimation: no, but my point is that destroying the structure of power typically empowers some megalomaniac to step in and fix things 1206742;1437350422;decimation;I was thinking about this for awhile today, and about what would have happened if hitler had stopped with poland and consolidated power 1206743;1437350532;decimation;it's pretty likely we would have germany+us+ussr today, or at least they would have been a 'triumvirate' during the cold war 1206744;1437350575;decimation;mod6: did you try removing that line from the makefile.unix that reference the empty dir? 1206745;1437350608;mod6;there's a bunch of lines that reference it actually, and no, i was hoping to get rid of these barnacles without having to change other files. 1206746;1437350711;decimation;I suspect you are gonna need a shell script, like ascii suggested. 1206747;1437350758;mircea_popescu;decimation dubiuous one could have "consolidated". that's what the soviet union tried. it collapsed. that's what the eu tried. it's collapsing. 1206748;1437350759;mod6;yeah. well, i think i'll just prune by hand if I do at all. like i was saying earlier, im a bit paranoid now that some script might later accidentially remove the dirs if they're rendered empty. 1206749;1437350769;mircea_popescu;once the war machine stops, all the fringe cocksuckers congeal. 1206750;1437350795;mircea_popescu;the only way poland was worth holding for germany is if they were going into the ukraine. and ukraine in turn, going to moscow. etc. 1206751;1437350802;mod6;gonna have to test prune by hand, and then test and ensure that these empty dirs will persist indifiniately. 1206752;1437350806;mircea_popescu;otherwise, on their own merits, nobody wants to hold the lands of orcs. 1206753;1437350807;mod6;*indefiniately 1206754;1437350812;mircea_popescu;indefinitely ? 1206755;1437350825;mod6;yah that :] 1206756;1437350827;mircea_popescu;:) 1206757;1437350832;decimation;mircea_popescu: alright, perhaps the sudetenland (sorry jurov) 1206758;1437350844;mod6;don't challenge me to a spelling contest, i'll lose. 1206759;1437350863;mircea_popescu;so a slightly larger germany. still no different from the previous situation. 1206760;1437350888;mircea_popescu;as hitler correctly figured out (and plainly said so) , the only future of germany as a nation lay in the destruiction of britain as an empire. 1206761;1437350897;decimation;yeah, but the main point is that hitler was a populist dictator who actually delievered on his promises to a great degree 1206762;1437350899;mircea_popescu;this turned out to be more expensive than originally thought, but it was done neverthjeless. 1206763;1437350919;mircea_popescu;mno. the notion that hitler was populist is akin to the notion that obama is democratic. 1206764;1437350928;mircea_popescu;sure, the turdmeisters in charge of the herd sell it thus. 1206765;1437350936;mircea_popescu;they'd sell it any other way, makes no difference. 1206766;1437350955;mircea_popescu;they put butter in blue or red or yellow packaging according to what the focus group says. you think butter is "red" ? butter is butter. 1206767;1437350990;mircea_popescu;nobody yet stopped to consider "the real color of butter" for packaging purposes afaik, 1206768;1437351004;decimation;all that might be true, but the nazi platform appeared to mostly be "give to the people all the things" (minus jews, foreigners, etc) 1206769;1437351042;mircea_popescu;you can quote chapter and verse for this notion or are merely relying on what us agitprop and clueless derps like that mcdowell woman in that eddie murphy movie told you ? 1206770;1437351081;decimation;umm, our discussion about this a few nights ago? http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/17/turns-out-you-wanted-hitler-after-all/ 1206771;1437351083;assbot;Turns out you wanted Hitler after all. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1fgZ1XL ) 1206772;1437351085;mircea_popescu;(great film btw, murphy is the heir to the throne of zamunda, pursues some ugly nigglet in queens. who doesn't like him because he's rich, and to their assheads at the time in the 80s this is a flaw)_ 1206773;1437351088;decimation;"7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich." 1206774;1437351107;decimation;"9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties." 1206775;1437351116;mircea_popescu;still a stretch neh ? 1206776;1437351162;decimation;" 1206777;1437351163;decimation;13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts). 1206778;1437351167;decimation;14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises. 1206779;1437351182;decimation;what about hitler is 'against populism'? 1206780;1437351214;mircea_popescu;fuhrerprinzip, for one. 1206781;1437351227;mircea_popescu;i don't recall any sort of voting being held on when to attack, soviet style. 1206782;1437351294;mircea_popescu;not that the guy is pointedly "against populism", admitting for the sake of argument that tyhe concept even holds meaning outside of its proper reference (it is after all a notion of democracy). but then again the bar for "not being x" is not "being patently against x" 1206783;1437351320;mircea_popescu;("you don't love me anymore" "sure i do" "prove it" "fuck you.") 1206784;1437351361;mircea_popescu;s/fuck you/you made the statement, you prove it/ for any unschooled gals in the audience. 1206785;1437351362;decimation;it's a fair point, he probably didn't believe it in his heart of hearts 1206786;1437351375;mircea_popescu;he didn't act in a supportive manner throughout. 1206787;1437351436;decimation;at any rate, my original point is that it would have been interesting to see german v. the world in an economic war rather than military 1206788;1437351517;decimation;after all, britian capitulated rather quickly to us demands for it to 'decolonize' 1206789;1437351522;mircea_popescu; specifically re 13 : if isis submits a bid to buy out raytheon, this proposal will not go to the shareholders. it will go to a so called "anti trust regulator" or w/e, which will reject it. 1206790;1437351528;mircea_popescu;this is not populism, this is plain old nationalism. 1206791;1437351549;mircea_popescu;only because germany was feigning death at the time. 1206792;1437351566;mircea_popescu;and because exhausted by a decade of war etc 1206793;1437351586;mircea_popescu;otherwise, see orwell : london in 1930 was entering its second decade of pretending ww1 never happenbed anmd "britannia forever" 1206794;1437351632;decimation;yes that's true, also see this http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/what-im-re-reading-2/ 1206795;1437351633;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fgZR6T ) 1206796;1437351791;mircea_popescu;anyway, zee germans have gained a very petty habit of being miserable to the people they owe gratitude to. no hitler statues, put that kohl fellow in jail... 1206797;1437351809;mircea_popescu;then they sprout cheeky teenagers with "nordic system" delusions. won't fill the void. 1206798;1437351876;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206406 << dun be hatin' on ma control panels! 1206799;1437351876;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:09:25; decimation: also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel? 1206800;1437351904;decimation;hehe jurov explained it 1206801;1437351915;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206415 << gotta get teh ips somehow neh. 1206802;1437351915;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:16:30; decimation: the amusing thing to me is that the 'ddos cannon' is using dns 1206803;1437351932;decimation;yeah, and your 'gambit' confirmed that they do strictly this 1206804;1437351936;decimation;which is valuable to know 1206805;1437351945;mircea_popescu;many things valuable. 1206806;1437351954;mircea_popescu;nuked the parody site rightr off the net, but wh stands. 1206807;1437351964;mircea_popescu;i think they spent a coupla million real dollars on that gateway 1206808;1437351969;mircea_popescu;god only knows what the bill actually was. 1206809;1437351982;decimation;which one? the akamai host you linked? 1206810;1437351987;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206424 << he has a point there. 1206811;1437351987;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:25:34; jurov: and routers verifying sigs for 1e6 packets/sec , rly? 1206812;1437352023;mircea_popescu;decimation is 23.45.18.92 akamai ? 1206813;1437352039;mircea_popescu;heh so it is. 1206814;1437352043;decimation;92.18.45.23.in-addr.arpa. 300INPTRa23-45-18-92.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com. 1206815;1437352056;mircea_popescu;well that makes sense then. i was impressed originally. 1206816;1437352073;decimation;which is why it didn't go down, they did spend $x mil, possibly $bil 1206817;1437352074;mircea_popescu;anyway, all this is (as you prolly expect it from shit i do) very much experimental. trying to actually make a site where users can safely use their ips. 1206818;1437352086;mircea_popescu;kinda informative attempt. 1206819;1437352104;decimation;https://blog.cloudflare.com/a-brief-anycast-primer/ < cloudflare describes how they do it 1206820;1437352105;assbot;A Brief Primer on Anycast ... ( http://bit.ly/1fh0oG0 ) 1206821;1437352121;decimation;they carefully craft routing tables with all their peers so that they can have multiple hosts with the same ip 1206822;1437352133;mircea_popescu;"But fresh data show that top schools are turning out black and Hispanic graduates with tech degrees at rates significantly higher than they are being hired by leading tech firms. 1206823;1437352133;mircea_popescu;Last year, black students took home 4.1 percent of the bachelors degrees in computer science" 1206824;1437352136;mircea_popescu;you gotta be shitting me. 1206825;1437352145;mircea_popescu;they took 4% last year and are in the workforce at 2% ? 1206826;1437352149;mircea_popescu;this is OVERREPRESENTED. 1206827;1437352153;decimation;heh 1206828;1437352164;decimation;not to the shakedown artists 1206829;1437352182;mircea_popescu;whole fucking country is by now the United Republic of Blackmail. 1206830;1437352210;decimation;except, nobody seems to blackmail microsoft for pumping out shit 1206831;1437352221;mircea_popescu;anwyay, the notion that google hires derps with degrees is news to me. i thought nobody got to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year. 1206832;1437352244;decimation;maybe in their young and dumb days, but now they are legendary for their pickiness 1206833;1437352264;decimation;all of the testing amounts to 'unofficial iq tests', as far as I can tell 1206834;1437352291;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206433 << you're not gonna have "hdtv" on your thing. not that i mind. i wish they stopped making movies over 700mb. you REALLY do not need more than that for an hour of whatever 1206835;1437352291;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:26:46; asciilifeform: SIGNATURE IN EVERY MOTHERFUCKING PACKET 1206836;1437352299;mircea_popescu;decimation this was the pickiness. 1206837;1437352317;mircea_popescu;"can't afford to not hire this guy now and have him hired by someone later". 1206838;1437352327;mircea_popescu;sort-of like nobody hires 21 yo athletes as entry level. 1206839;1437352339;decimation;heh now the 'movie industry' is going to 4k (3840 x 2160) 3D - in hopes they can hold off piracy, would be my guess 1206840;1437352360;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206443 << crypto is moving bits. 1206841;1437352360;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:28:54; jurov: of course, but cisco just moves bits and does not do crypto 1206842;1437352391;mircea_popescu;more like in hopes that social relevancy is tied to "technological advancement". 1206843;1437352397;mircea_popescu;except there is such a thing as spurious detail. 1206844;1437352409;trinque;see: 4k porn 1206845;1437352420;decimation;indeed. my experience is not enhanced by watching the individual whiskars on gandolf's beard 1206846;1437352429;mircea_popescu;moving from asciiart tits to 500kb gifs was a great reason to ditch the diskette and put in a cdrom 1206847;1437352448;mircea_popescu;moving from 2mb gifs to 600mb .avis was a great reason to ditch the cdrom get a dvd 1206848;1437352449;decimation;in fact, there's a point where it hits an 'uncanny valley' and you realize it's all a set with fake shit everywhere 1206849;1437352453;mircea_popescu;but past that... who the fuck cares. 1206850;1437352460;mircea_popescu;yup. 1206851;1437352474;trinque;asciilifeform: got elephant working with postgresql, wasn't too bad 1206852;1437352482;trinque;barfed on berkdb so I skipped it 1206853;1437352486;decimation;which is why 24 fps in a dark room worked for 100 years 1206854;1437352566;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206472 << not that much bw, just shitty packets. 1206855;1437352566;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:35:33; jurov: dear decimation these ddoses have tens or hundreds gigabits... and not with 1500 byt packets 1206856;1437352595;decimation;very few providers in the world could even measure 100 gbs ddos 1206857;1437352601;mircea_popescu;1Mpps has been seen, so... yeah routing over wot will not be a trivial problem. but it does have a trivial solution : 1206858;1437352608;mircea_popescu;only route for peers in your own network. 1206859;1437352625;mircea_popescu;this will make "most of the web" inaccessible to "most people", but only if we measure "most" linearily. 1206860;1437352631;decimation;note that this kinda implies you are building your own network, not using some else's ip routing 1206861;1437352637;mircea_popescu;otherwise, all the web that matters will be visible to all the people who matter. 1206862;1437352659;mircea_popescu;decimation just auto-drop any packets coming from unknown host. 1206863;1437352681;mircea_popescu;you know those hops in the traceroute ? well... the assumption is that they'll just take a packet. 1206864;1437352684;mircea_popescu;this needn't be true. 1206865;1437352727;mircea_popescu;exactly how it works here : we have a public slut (ie, gribble) who will convey a message to anyone, and who can trivially be silenced. otherwise, suppose unknown asks you to convey message to me. well ? why would you. 1206866;1437352727;decimation;yeah I get it 1206867;1437352732;decimation;but how do I plug into this network? 1206868;1437352739;decimation;I doubt comcast will peer directly 1206869;1437352743;mircea_popescu;if you need to ask we do not want to see you. 1206870;1437352800;mircea_popescu;it could trivially work on existing infrastructure really. the ability to ddos only exists on some ports and in some circumstances as it is, because that's what the derps use. 1206871;1437352821;decimation;that was kinda my point about the 'charging per route' 1206872;1437352832;mircea_popescu;server that rejects requests on 80 etc is way harder all of a sudden 1206873;1437352840;decimation;you pay 10 satoshi, get 1e6 packets 1206874;1437352846;mircea_popescu;you don't even need to charge per se. just, PEER. as in, actually. 1206875;1437352853;mircea_popescu;none of this bs "every one walking is my peer". 1206876;1437352856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3439 @ 0.00055141 = 1.8963 BTC [-] {2} 1206877;1437352858;decimation;yeah but that still implies physical connection 1206878;1437352863;mircea_popescu;why ? 1206879;1437352885;decimation;someone is gonna have to be in the middle, who may or may not route packets at their pleasure 1206880;1437352900;mircea_popescu;you discard what they route anyway. 1206881;1437352917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39323 @ 0.00058395 = 22.9627 BTC [+] {2} 1206882;1437352937;decimation;yes but what if two wot members are peered through several untrusted hosts? 1206883;1437352958;mircea_popescu;what if ? 1206884;1437352959;decimation;the 'untrusted' routers implictly veto packet routing 1206885;1437352966;decimation;or have the power to do so anyway 1206886;1437352979;mircea_popescu;you drop all traffic except port 1337 and check sigs for that so as to only forward stuff to your own peers that they accept. 1206887;1437352998;mircea_popescu;i dun see how they do anything. either they maintain compliance with tcp/ip spec as is, in which case they do nothing 1206888;1437353015;mircea_popescu;or they break it, in which case they kill themselves but we still don't care (for the same reason original internet was robuts - rerouting) 1206889;1437353022;decimation;or, they choose to null route only your stuff 1206890;1437353031;mircea_popescu;that is like suicide for them 1206891;1437353034;mircea_popescu;go ahead, i deeply care. 1206892;1437353040;decimation;how you gonna send anything then? 1206893;1437353046;mircea_popescu;what's next, power rangers will hurt the bitrcoin foundation by not releasing further crap ? 1206894;1437353056;trinque;point would be to define your own network layer, then have multiple transports over which it may be routed 1206895;1437353058;mircea_popescu;this notion that infrastructure has power is ludicrous. 1206896;1437353064;mircea_popescu;you seriously proposing the internet just goes away ? 1206897;1437353071;trinque;as said the existing internet does very much the same thing 1206898;1437353074;ben_vulpes; boost compiles fine with macports << i'm a homebrew dood. perhaps this is wrong? 1206899;1437353082;decimation;isn't that exactly what 'ddos protection' and 'spam protect' do? 1206900;1437353092;mircea_popescu;not as far as i see it. 1206901;1437353097;decimation;ben_vulpes: homebrew seemed lame, but I haven't used it much 1206902;1437353114;ben_vulpes;decimation: do you use macports regularly? 1206903;1437353115;decimation;mircea_popescu: okay, suppose your favorite isp null routes your packets (kills your contract) 1206904;1437353115;mircea_popescu;but the very basic "all plaintext email is spam, throw it out" rule would do that. 1206905;1437353118;decimation;who are you gonna use now? 1206906;1437353129;mircea_popescu;im going to sue them, because we have a contract. 1206907;1437353132;decimation;ben_vulpes: yeah I've used it for years now 1206908;1437353139;mircea_popescu;which they have to execute. 1206909;1437353147;decimation;yeah it's a fair point 1206910;1437353155;decimation;if you are in a datacenter you might get this level of service 1206911;1437353164;mircea_popescu;and if they refuse to sign a contract, im going to sue them for refusing to sign a contract, which thewy actually have to do being a de facto monopoluy 1206912;1437353169;mircea_popescu;and if they aren't, im going to use the competition. 1206913;1437353171;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1206914;1437353184;decimation;sure, in most non-orc places alternatives exist 1206915;1437353193;mircea_popescu;there is no requirement the us must remain connected. 1206916;1437353197;trinque;I really don't think not having a b-a satellite network should preclude getting started on gossipd 1206917;1437353198;trinque;heh 1206918;1437353206;trinque;just build it such that it'll work on that too 1206919;1437353249;mircea_popescu;considering what sats cost these days... 1206920;1437353257;decimation;ben_vulpes: I tried to compile the 1.55.0 boost on macports and it didn't work 1206921;1437353259;trinque;well hell, if you're buying :D 1206922;1437353266;decimation;it does compile 1.58 with clang though 1206923;1437353278;decimation;for some reason the final link didn't work with bitcoind, gonna do some more research 1206924;1437353290;ben_vulpes;i suppose that i'm pretty dumb for just downloading the source and expecting that i'll be able to compile it, huh? 1206925;1437353295;decimation;mircea_popescu: sats are getting cheaper, but doing a 'multipoint sat constellation' is still going to be $$$$$ 1206926;1437353298;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206499 << pretty much. 1206927;1437353298;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:43:32; phf: it's more fidonet with crypto handshakes 1206928;1437353312;ben_vulpes;;;seen artifexd 1206929;1437353313;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1206930;1437353316;decimation;^ and a small leo 'store-and-forward' would be cheap 1206931;1437353336;decimation;ben_vulpes: like the stator source? 1206932;1437353344;decimation;I tried that, didn't work on 10.6.8 1206933;1437353363;mircea_popescu;decimation mp's law! when i was born, the first satellite had just cost a fortune. by the time i had my first threesome, they were doing consumer phone via satellite. as i made my self billion, fucing romania launched a satellite on a shoestring budget. 1206934;1437353370;mircea_popescu;before i die i'm going to be farting satellites. 1206935;1437353386;decimation;well, there's a whole movement of 'get space to the people' 1206936;1437353390;ben_vulpes;i thought up an http-auth thing recently: http request headers containing a signed hash of one of the last 2 blocks 1206937;1437353410;ben_vulpes;(signed by a customer or allowed user or someone the service provider likes) 1206938;1437353410;mircea_popescu;why signed ? 1206939;1437353420;mircea_popescu;so like the most ellaborate nonce ever ? 1206940;1437353422;ben_vulpes;vulnerable to a bit of replay 1206941;1437353434;ben_vulpes;mwell point is to gate access to an api without relying on tls 1206942;1437353452;ben_vulpes;or broadcasting credentials in the clear ala http-basic auth 1206943;1437353469;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206513 << i didn't pour that spec in concrete. 1206944;1437353469;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:46:27; asciilifeform: again, it wasn't in mircea_popescu's spec 1206945;1437353483;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206831 << mno. that's 'dotcom boom' sop. today - no one without 'straight a' marks is considered, etc. 1206946;1437353483;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 00:30:21; mircea_popescu: anwyay, the notion that google hires derps with degrees is news to me. i thought nobody got to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year. 1206947;1437353503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but they've also stopped doing anything 1206948;1437353507;mircea_popescu;when's the last time google had a product ? 1206949;1437353519;trinque;I thought they only killed ones they purchased 1206950;1437353531;ben_vulpes;oh get real asciilifeform google facebook and amazon were all chasing my dumb ass at one point and i never had good grades and definitely never finished kawledge 1206951;1437353536;mircea_popescu;they're still living off fucking google ads. which work about as good as an ant blowjob. since then, endless string of failures, briefcase, glass, g+ you name it 1206952;1437353544;mircea_popescu;the mark cubanization of google. 1206953;1437353554;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: let us not forget "Inbox" or w/e 1206954;1437353570;trinque;ben_vulpes: isn't that something they purchased? 1206955;1437353575;mircea_popescu;actually briefcase was yahoo i guess, the "media company" 1206956;1437353578;decimation;asciilifeform: tonight for dinner I had 'riga' sprat and rye bread (berliner broet) 1206957;1437353587;mircea_popescu;o hey, delicious. 1206958;1437353593;ben_vulpes;no, apple purchased the only decent mail application for ios to preserve their mailnopoly 1206959;1437353607;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ios mail still sucks. 1206960;1437353615;trinque;ben_vulpes: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/20/3172222/google-buys-sparrow-mail 1206961;1437353616;assbot;Google buys Sparrow, current apps will not get any new features | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdaDs6 ) 1206962;1437353620;trinque;could've been descended from that. 1206963;1437353626;ben_vulpes;because while they can mandate webkit as browser they cannot 1206964;1437353628;decimation;ios mail won't 'push' from gmail servers 1206965;1437353630;ben_vulpes;oh hey it was google 1206966;1437353635;ben_vulpes;my b 1206967;1437353644;trinque;there were a few, apple might've too 1206968;1437353645;ben_vulpes;heh yeah that's right 1206969;1437353650;trinque;dropbox bought "mailbox" 1206970;1437353663;ben_vulpes;my read at the time was "google is raping apple's mail experience" 1206971;1437353666;ben_vulpes;^^ mircea_popescu 1206972;1437353676;ben_vulpes;i know ios mail is bad. 1206973;1437353676;decimation;yeah, still are apparently 1206974;1437353685;ben_vulpes;i use the gmail application. 1206975;1437353686;decimation;and everyone uses gmail because spam 1206976;1437353700;decimation;it's a 'baptists and bootleggers' situation 1206977;1437353717;mircea_popescu;i don't use gmail and don't have a spam problem. but hey. 1206978;1437353720;ben_vulpes;it, unlike Mail™, sort of works. 1206979;1437353730;ben_vulpes;the touchscreen however is an unredeemable text input device. 1206980;1437353734;mircea_popescu;^ 1206981;1437353747;ben_vulpes;because text is not simply an 'input' problem. 1206982;1437353748;mircea_popescu;"srsly, where's the macro on this thing" "the what ?" 1206983;1437353751;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206934 << one of those things that cannot continue. useful orbits are already very crowded (mainly with garbage.) 1206984;1437353751;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 00:49:30; mircea_popescu: before i die i'm going to be farting satellites. 1206985;1437353758;ben_vulpes;but more precisely a 'transformation' thing. 1206986;1437353773;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i will build the garbage scows. 1206987;1437353782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda why space war is inevitable. i see no problem shooting everything else out of orbit to fart my own 1206988;1437353785;ben_vulpes;there are a million ways to pull debris out of orbit. 1206989;1437353791;ben_vulpes;cloud of water 1206990;1437353794;mircea_popescu;oh srsly, oprah can not be broacast anymore now ? bwahahaha mkayt. 1206991;1437353805;ben_vulpes;(for one) 1206992;1437353814;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206950 << you clearly did not actually go to the arse chaser and ask for a job 1206993;1437353814;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 00:52:11; ben_vulpes: oh get real asciilifeform google facebook and amazon were all chasing my dumb ass at one point and i never had good grades and definitely never finished kawledge 1206994;1437353817;ben_vulpes;Fe shrapnel 1206995;1437353820;asciilifeform;they chase everyone with a pulse 1206996;1437353827;asciilifeform;hire - the brahmins 1206997;1437353827;decimation;to me the solution to spam is "pay me to read your email in bitcoin" 1206998;1437353857;trinque;just don't accept every soiled napkin as mail 1206999;1437353859;trinque;and done 1207000;1437353861;ben_vulpes;b-a mailservers when 1207001;1437353861;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206988 << go, pull 1207002;1437353861;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 00:56:25; ben_vulpes: there are a million ways to pull debris out of orbit. 1207003;1437353869;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what did you think dpaste was. 1207004;1437353880;decimation;the stuff below a few hundred km is okay, because it is 'swept' by atmosphere 1207005;1437353882;ben_vulpes;ad hoc bug ridden implementation of half of smtp 1207006;1437353892;asciilifeform;uncle al's orbit-sweeper shotgun is only a matter of time. 1207007;1437353894;decimation;but you need some method of keeping orbit to maintain 1207008;1437353895;mircea_popescu;seems great to me. what's the problem with it ? 1207009;1437353902;trinque;so. seriously. what's the story with artifexd ? 1207010;1437353921;ben_vulpes;trinque: don't bite off gossipd man 1207011;1437353922;mircea_popescu;;;seen artifexd 1207012;1437353922;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 42 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1207013;1437353940;mircea_popescu;trinque guy seemed to be seriously working on it, was gonna say something in a coupla weeks a quarter ago. 1207014;1437353959;ben_vulpes;;;later tell artifexd yo! 1207015;1437353959;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1207016;1437353961;asciilifeform;this is probably where i confess that ~my~ gossipd is nearly done... 1207017;1437353962;trinque;maybe he is, would just like to hear 1207018;1437353974;trinque;asciilifeform: !! 1207019;1437353976;ben_vulpes;he of many hands 1207020;1437353979;mircea_popescu;but yes, gossipd is the huge sort of project that looks like it'd benefit from a few failure reports from failed attempts before we seriously have a shot. 1207021;1437353986;asciilifeform;hey i started before you folks got hot & bothered 1207022;1437353986;trinque;ben_vulpes: no kidding right? 1207023;1437353991;mircea_popescu;not just because of stuff like the above asciilifeform comment, but also because well... huge. 1207024;1437354001;ben_vulpes;trinque: i think he actually has employees 1207025;1437354014;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes maybe HE is the one with slavegirls. 1207026;1437354019;asciilifeform;l0lz 1207027;1437354042;ben_vulpes;aha yes actually this makes sense 1207028;1437354045;ben_vulpes;'pet' has read knr 1207029;1437354060;mircea_popescu;prolly has 588 of them, all the same height, wearing the same mask 1207030;1437354065;decimation;asciilifeform: when buying from the german baker, I commented how my coworkers mock my sprat eating habits. her reply "always with the chicken this, chicken that" 1207031;1437354073;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1207032;1437354075;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: that vacuum-packed babe was p lulzy 1207033;1437354088;asciilifeform;decimation reminds me, i gotta resprat 1207034;1437354114;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: attended another costco today 1207035;1437354116;decimation;'riga' is definitely smokey, I like it, but 'king oskar' is good too (unsmoked) 1207036;1437354117;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/c021a1191d8153f73ba1b27bcd9fb28c/tumblr_n5xmsiNmjE1tulo74o5_400.gif << competence and ridiculously infantile tits. 1207037;1437354118;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdbCbZ ) 1207038;1437354118;ben_vulpes;did not get ID'd 1207039;1437354121;*;asciilifeform checks larder, notices a full clip of sprats. pet must have bought a bunch 1207040;1437354133;ben_vulpes;i think everyone can smell your perma-lsd-trip. 1207041;1437354143;decimation;it is weird how most usians are biased against fish in a tin 1207042;1437354145;asciilifeform;decimation: i've yet to locate a supplier for unsmoked 1207043;1437354147;decimation;or fish in general 1207044;1437354149;trinque;decimation: I'll eat it 1207045;1437354154;trinque;happen to like sardines 1207046;1437354164;asciilifeform;decimation: in usa, 'fish in tin' typically means cheap tuna, and one notch above what is fed to cat 1207047;1437354166;asciilifeform;(if that) 1207048;1437354186;asciilifeform;to the point where ru immigrants sometimes are found to have lived on 'cat feed' for months 1207049;1437354189;mircea_popescu;!up DanielBTC 1207050;1437354194;ben_vulpes;(anyways, if anyone cares to poke holes in my proposed ghetto wot httpauthentication mechanism, plz do) 1207051;1437354197;asciilifeform;without being even slightly aware of what it was for 1207052;1437354205;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm still snarfing up the log 1207053;1437354215;asciilifeform;was out, swimming 1207054;1437354224;decimation;asciilifeform: these are usually available in the us (safeway?) http://www.kingoscar.com/products-by-market/usa/usa-sardines/brisling-sardines-in-olive-oil-5.html 1207055;1437354226;assbot;brisling sardines in olive oil » KING OSCAR – THE BEST SEAFOOD IN THE WORLD ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdbMQl ) 1207056;1437354226;ben_vulpes;and i snorkeling! 1207057;1437354236;decimation;they sell them as 'brisling sardines' but they are sprat - I am certain of this 1207058;1437354271;mircea_popescu;uh 1207059;1437354278;mircea_popescu;the sprat IS a sardine. that's what they're called in english. 1207060;1437354283;asciilifeform;apparently not quite 1207061;1437354289;decimation;it turns out there's many kinds of 'sardine' 1207062;1437354290;asciilifeform;'sardine' is a dish 1207063;1437354296;asciilifeform;can be made from more than one animal 1207064;1437354298;mircea_popescu;sprattus sprattus. that's what it is, the brisling 1207065;1437354303;decimation;yes exactly 1207066;1437354313;decimation;but they are sold as sardines in the us because they haven't heard of 'sprat' 1207067;1437354315;mircea_popescu;no dood, sardine is a fish lol 1207068;1437354329;mircea_popescu;you mean sardine' with an accent ? 1207069;1437354329;asciilifeform;a dozen species 1207070;1437354333;asciilifeform;are sold as 'sardine' 1207071;1437354337;mircea_popescu;well sure. 1207072;1437354339;asciilifeform;sprattus is one. 1207073;1437354383;decimation;it's actually almost impossible to tell exactly what kind of fish you are eating in the us 1207074;1437354391;decimation;and from whence it comes 1207075;1437354400;asciilifeform;at some point it will be possible to tell - with a geiger. 1207076;1437354407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, did we ever discuss what zacusca ended up in romanian ? 1207077;1437354415;ben_vulpes;one of the nicer things about hawaii is the plentify ahi 1207078;1437354419;ben_vulpes;plentiful* 1207079;1437354421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: закуска ? 1207080;1437354424;mircea_popescu;ya. 1207081;1437354429;decimation;yeah hawaii has the best sushi I've eaten 1207082;1437354440;decimation;especially in honolulu where they cater to rich japanese 1207083;1437354443;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: original ru is, roughly, 'snack you eat when boozing it up' 1207084;1437354457;asciilifeform;and in ro, i presume, means something other ? 1207085;1437354462;mircea_popescu;yes. in romanian is this very specific, traditionally canned vegetable paste 1207086;1437354469;PeterL;So I've been thinking about the mempool: There should be a size limit set in the config for mempool, along with the minFee. Each txn gets scored based on age of coins, amount in txn, size of txn, and fee, etc, once the size limit is reached if a txn does not meet the lowest ranking it is ignored, if it does then the lowest ranked txn is ejected to make space, and every once in a while the oldest and highest ranking txns in the mempool are rebroa 1207087;1437354469;PeterL;to make sure they get included eventually in a block 1207088;1437354471;mircea_popescu;mostly red pepper and baked eggplant 1207089;1437354479;mircea_popescu;o hallo peterl 1207090;1437354483;decimation;for spreading on bread/crackersA? 1207091;1437354483;PeterL;hi 1207092;1437354487;mircea_popescu;decimation quite. 1207093;1437354500;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oh ha, we call that dish икра (as in 'caviar', yes, same word) 1207094;1437354516;mircea_popescu;icre, of course, are hanbot's least favourite romanian food. 1207095;1437354521;mircea_popescu;particularly "icre de crap" 1207096;1437354526;asciilifeform;l0l 1207097;1437354532;mircea_popescu;which yes is a thing. 1207098;1437354555;ben_vulpes;PeterL: you missed the thread where alf pointed out that 'mempool' is not a part of bitcoin. 1207099;1437354574;mircea_popescu;PeterL you know your thinking is a nearly exact restatement of what i said last week ? 1207100;1437354575;asciilifeform;PeterL: mircea_popescu had a scheme quite like the one you described 1207101;1437354580;asciilifeform;^ 1207102;1437354586;ben_vulpes;heh 1207103;1437354587;PeterL;oh, must have missed it 1207104;1437354603;PeterL;but what is bitcoin without transactions? 1207105;1437354605;asciilifeform;it is more or less the obvious solution to 'how to keep a public tx pool' 1207106;1437354615;asciilifeform;PeterL: more than one way to get tx from originator to miner 1207107;1437354616;mircea_popescu;granted, i claim no ownersheep. 1207108;1437354617;ben_vulpes;sync and serve mechanisms are vastly more important. 1207109;1437354617;trinque;or more generally stated... "markets work" 1207110;1437354622;mircea_popescu;just thought the guy may enjoy the notion ?D 1207111;1437354625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00056171 = 29.9953 BTC [-] {2} 1207112;1437354627;asciilifeform;PeterL: can be carried - directly. via pigeon. sailboat. 1207113;1437354651;mircea_popescu;dude stop confusing can and will be. alf can pick up prostitutes in buenos aires, too. 1207114;1437354652;asciilifeform;mempool is by far the weakest link in the chain we have today 1207115;1437354652;PeterL;yeah, but it makes sense to have -some- relay built into reference version 1207116;1437354655;mircea_popescu;via a sailboat. 1207117;1437354674;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "can" lol 1207118;1437354687;PeterL;with my scheme, just set the max-size to 0 and it turns the mempool off 1207119;1437354689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it. sorta like i asked my father, as a small boy, if furniture could speak. answer 'yes, in principle' 1207120;1437354694;mircea_popescu;lol 1207121;1437354727;mircea_popescu;did i ever recount the joke about practice and theory ? 1207122;1437354734;asciilifeform;hm ? 1207123;1437354754;asciilifeform;(what i meant earlier was that tx only needs to get to the destination - miner. if it cannot get there cheaply and easily, it will get there expensively and painfully. but it will get there.) 1207124;1437354758;mircea_popescu;after reading b-a log for the first time, little gavin schmuckssen went to his father 1207125;1437354766;ben_vulpes;http://cnsnews.com/blog/melanie-hunter/pregnant-wnba-star-asks-20k-month-spousal-support-her-wife << ahahaha child support hits the gays 1207126;1437354767;assbot;Pregnant WNBA Star Asks for $20K a Month Spousal Support from Her Wife | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdcWLL ) 1207127;1437354778;mircea_popescu;"daddy, daddy, i heard these mean kids use two unknown words. theory and practice. do you know what is the difference ?" 1207128;1437354808;mircea_popescu;old man schmuckssen calls over his wife. "honey, there's an arab prince at the door, wants to fuck you silly for a million bucks. what should i say to him ?" 1207129;1437354822;mircea_popescu;"well... uhh... i'd never... you know we're behind on the mortgage and that nsa check is late..." 1207130;1437354830;mircea_popescu;old man schmuckssen calls over his daughter 1207131;1437354846;mircea_popescu;"listen dear, the arab prince has a friend. would you..." 1207132;1437354852;mircea_popescu;YES ! YES!!! she cuts him off 1207133;1437354858;mircea_popescu;"see gavin, in theory we're millionaires. 1207134;1437354864;mircea_popescu;in practice, we're stuck with a coupla whores." 1207135;1437354879;asciilifeform;!b 17 1207136;1437354880;assbot;Last 17 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/21TCSAR.txt ) 1207137;1437354887;ben_vulpes; asciilifeform: got elephant working with postgresql, wasn't too bad << share! 1207138;1437354910;trinque;ben_vulpes: took some very minimal notes, may share when I feel like I know what I'm doing 1207139;1437354927;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: must warn that abstractions don't actually work. that is, the underlying limitations of your db will 'leak out'. 1207140;1437354934;asciilifeform;that is, updates - dog-slow, for example 1207141;1437354940;trinque;yeah, I expect this 1207142;1437354956;asciilifeform;you may get more of 'this' than you expected. 1207143;1437354963;asciilifeform;but otherwise the thing worx. 1207144;1437354970;trinque;this is an experiment to see whether I can transplant my standard patterns of db use to lisp 1207145;1437354979;mircea_popescu;and to round off that joke, i guess : http://41.media.tumblr.com/b9ef786cc8939eb428859b4018f9eade/tumblr_n1q1hy0e411syt00ao1_1280.jpg 1207146;1437354980;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iddql2 ) 1207147;1437355038;asciilifeform;trinque: so long as you were not expecting to transplant patterns of lisp to db use - you will be reasonably happy with 'elephant' 1207148;1437355056;mircea_popescu;if not that, what is he expecting 1207149;1437355065;mircea_popescu;using packages starting with the letter "e" ? 1207150;1437355129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: background for thread: 'elephant' is this thing that tries to magick away the fact that db exists, by allowing you to mark an arbitrary lisp data structure as 'persistent' and churning it to db behind the scenes 1207151;1437355152;mircea_popescu;right. 1207152;1437355154;asciilifeform;that is, an attempt to simulate 'proper computer' in this specific way. 1207153;1437355170;trinque;I'll admit I got a bit uncomfortable seeing a keyvalue table 1207154;1437355217;trinque;author must've been shy on altering schema 1207155;1437355245;asciilifeform;author was trying to keep dbisms to a minimum. 1207156;1437355266;*;asciilifeform fucking loathes db and everything connected with the notion 1207157;1437355292;trinque;runs directly contarary to your idea of knowing the cost of an operation 1207158;1437355301;trinque;that "table" could be 100 views deep 1207159;1437355301;asciilifeform;not only 1207160;1437355338;asciilifeform;it is a malignancy - in every way, from forcing me to touch and think about turdlangs, to being chock-full of opaque mechanisms and slow as fuck at its fastest 1207161;1437355363;asciilifeform;and folks come to think that it excuses them from knowing jack shit about data structures and choosing right one for a job 1207162;1437355372;BingoBoingo; it's actually almost impossible to tell exactly what kind of fish you are eating in the us << Catching own fish is possible 1207163;1437355466;PeterL;The river running through my town has a "don't eat the fish" rule because of some toxic spill upstream from 20 years ago 1207164;1437355474;trinque;asciilifeform: reasoning with sets and their relationships is why I use the db heavily in work 1207165;1437355491;trinque;I have an inkling of being able to do the same thing in lisp, but you know, grew up in the congo, working on it 1207166;1437355532;ben_vulpes;trinque: have you started reading the statice manual? 1207167;1437355533;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207034 << ben_vulpes is a recent convert to 'costco' ? 1207168;1437355533;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 01:01:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended another costco today 1207169;1437355565;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: statice may or may not make sense without access to the live animal 1207170;1437355575;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Recently had some "sour crude" leak from a pipe upstream of our reservoir 1207171;1437355599;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: attended with family who are cult members 1207172;1437355607;ben_vulpes;they were not id'd either 1207173;1437355610;asciilifeform;ah 1207174;1437355613;ben_vulpes;i am however considering a conversion 1207175;1437355615;trinque;ben_vulpes: I have not 1207176;1437355622;asciilifeform;it's roughly a hundy, iirc 1207177;1437355634;asciilifeform;gives you a pass, and one for the woman 1207178;1437355639;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re statice, what parts wouldn't make sense? the thing is explained in painstaking detail. 1207179;1437355647;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: only need one - for the woman 1207180;1437355652;asciilifeform;l0l 1207181;1437355686;ben_vulpes;trinque: go, read. a marvel of technical writing. 1207182;1437355690;trinque;neat 1207183;1437355705;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the symbolics books are a marvel of writing. 1207184;1437355705;ben_vulpes;such as i have not seen in my career to date. 1207185;1437355727;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i may yet end up with a set because of this reason. 1207186;1437355727;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they were, iirc, the first hyperlinked manual (one was expected to read them on the machine - but it came with a paper set!) 1207187;1437355729;asciilifeform;i have the paper 1207188;1437355733;ben_vulpes;the covers are also gorgeous. 1207189;1437355733;asciilifeform;it takes up most of a shelf 1207190;1437355741;asciilifeform;was given to me, for phree, even 1207191;1437355743;asciilifeform;by a phriend. 1207192;1437355776;asciilifeform;gave me his 'alpha', too 1207193;1437356005;trinque;asciilifeform: hm I already see your point, maybe, re: data structures 1207194;1437356011;trinque;I get a tree, in a database! 1207195;1437356029;trinque;you know, without parent_id and "with recursive" 1207196;1437356053;trinque;I've done horrible things working with trees in SQL 1207197;1437356086;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/smbxman.jpg << all but the blue (interlisp, xerox) and orange ('chinanual', for the original mit lisp mach) 1207198;1437356092;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdfABo ) 1207199;1437356093;trinque;so now I'm going to grow to like this, and then I'm going to be stuck later wondering why something I've done is slow 1207200;1437356179;asciilifeform;on the real machine, you could actually execute the examples in the docs browser. 1207201;1437356241;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel 1207202;1437356241;asciilifeform;somebody buy gabriel_laddel a new modem ? 1207203;1437356254;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel 1207204;1437356262;trinque;bueller? 1207205;1437356285;trinque;lol 1207206;1437356390;ben_vulpes;he just got a job writing common lisp 1207207;1437356391;ben_vulpes;fuck him 1207208;1437356406;ben_vulpes;can buy his own damn modem 1207209;1437356481;gabriel_laddel;trinque: lol 1207210;1437356508;gabriel_laddel;trinque: does elephant allow you to redefine classes without restarting? 1207211;1437356529;gabriel_laddel;manardb does everything but that... 1207212;1437356556;ben_vulpes;whoa 1207213;1437356558;ben_vulpes;manardb 1207214;1437356575;gabriel_laddel;supposedly it's fast 1207215;1437356580;trinque;gabriel_laddel: no idea yet; began just now 1207216;1437356590;trinque;lemme see 1207217;1437356608;decimation;ben_vulpes: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-never-ever-ever-use-mongodb/ < some mongodb hate, made me think of you 1207218;1437356623;trinque;nosql is a fucking sham 1207219;1437356640;trinque;not that sql's great, but every "db" in that whole wave of shit can be forgotten 1207220;1437356647;asciilifeform;^ 1207221;1437356682;*;ben_vulpes twitches 1207222;1437356685;ben_vulpes;that's triggering decimation 1207223;1437356687;ben_vulpes;plz no bully 1207224;1437356688;asciilifeform;and it is also an interesting case study: what kinds of brokenness produce these waves of 'kids who tried their best' (tm) 1207225;1437356691;asciilifeform;like 'mongo' 1207226;1437356716;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lemme guess, you're stuck maintaining one of those things ? 1207227;1437356769;ben_vulpes;was at one time 1207228;1437356785;ben_vulpes;client blew their budget on ie8 css compatibility in a half-assed single page js app 1207229;1437356787;decimation;from my own meatwot, the 'benefit' to mongo is that it can scale, because it 'runs twitter' or some shit 1207230;1437356805;ben_vulpes;dude runs whatever 1207231;1437356807;ben_vulpes;this is always a lie 1207232;1437356824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2466 @ 0.00058422 = 1.4407 BTC [+] 1207233;1437356838;ben_vulpes;some engineer somewhere in some corp decides to play with it for a week, people who wrote dumbthing get email of concern from said engineer, decide to advertise as "running bigcorp" 1207234;1437356904;trinque;"JS and JSON, therefore ..." << is the process of "design" that shat all this 1207235;1437356940;decimation;lul apparently mongo is 'most popular' http://db-engines.com/en/ranking/document+store 1207236;1437356941;assbot;DB-Engines Ranking - popularity ranking of document stores ... ( http://bit.ly/1Idh7am ) 1207237;1437356948;decimation;^ run moar winblows 1207238;1437356949;ben_vulpes;dafuq 1207239;1437356949;ben_vulpes;is 1207240;1437356951;ben_vulpes;a document store 1207241;1437356965;ben_vulpes;you assholes are winding me up deliberately. 1207242;1437356969;asciilifeform;i can usually tell from talking to a fella who programs - for three minutes - whether he's 'seen the elephant' 1207243;1437357000;*;ben_vulpes has maybe touched the penile bit 1207244;1437357007;asciilifeform;which is to say, in this case, whether he has already had the flash of realization that the shit he is working with sucks because of 'anthropic principle' - that is, if it weren't a crock of shit, he would not have his job... 1207245;1437357013;decimation;asciilifeform: my experience is that much of this kind of thing is only learned by 'tried, fucked me' 1207246;1437357039;trinque;asciilifeform: obligatory reference to fake stroustrup interview 1207247;1437357055;trinque;decimation: yes, I did once choose couchdb when I was 22 1207248;1437357058;trinque;ass still smarts 1207249;1437357083;decimation;actually I did go through the slides on that stroustrup talk 1207250;1437357088;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I met the guy who wrote that. Ugh. 1207251;1437357092;asciilifeform;naggum had a thing re: 'job-creating systems' 1207252;1437357097;trinque;gabriel_laddel: did you punch him in the dick? 1207253;1437357099;decimation;the most amusing bit to me was his little diatribe against garbage collectors 1207254;1437357102;gabriel_laddel;trinque: haha no 1207255;1437357160;gabriel_laddel;me: "lisp makes meta-programming trivial" him: "if it did they'd rule the world already, and therefore I don't have to consider your argument" 1207256;1437357190;ben_vulpes;this is why i don't talk to programmers i don't know about programming. 1207257;1437357203;asciilifeform;'if yer so smart why aitcha rich' 1207258;1437357233;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) 1207259;1437357242;decimation;stroustrop appears to 'hate' garbage collection because (correctly) hardware fucks him 1207260;1437357251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27683 @ 0.00058511 = 16.1976 BTC [+] {2} 1207261;1437357256;decimation;this apparently means 'no garbage collection' not 'no shit hardware' 1207262;1437357265;asciilifeform;he takes the hardware as a given 1207263;1437357266;trinque;he doesn't hate the world enough to say it should change 1207264;1437357278;gabriel_laddel;;; seen Xemist 1207265;1437357278;gribble;I have not seen Xemist. 1207266;1437357281;ben_vulpes;http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/2010-10/lisp-2010.10.29.txt << grep for MREMAP 1207267;1437357282;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqdQDE ) 1207268;1437357312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67670 @ 0.00058535 = 39.6106 BTC [+] {2} 1207269;1437357327;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: wtf why are you grepping for that. 1207270;1437357352;gabriel_laddel;does manardb not work out of the box? 1207271;1437357431;ben_vulpes;no sir it does not appear to 1207272;1437357444;ben_vulpes;Symbol "MREMAP" not found in the OSICAT-POSIX package. 1207273;1437357486;decimation;http://www.slideshare.net/curryon/bjarne-stroustrupwhatifanythinghavewelearnedfromc < his talk does show the marks of one bruised by reality 1207274;1437357487;assbot;What – if anything – have we learned from C++? by Bjarne Stroustrup @… ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqeaT9 ) 1207275;1437357495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00057912 = 38.5115 BTC [-] {2} 1207276;1437357515;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: You can "man mremap"? 1207277;1437357575;ben_vulpes;watch this be an os x problem 1207278;1437357593;ben_vulpes;"No manual entry for mremap" 1207279;1437357595;ben_vulpes;hyuuuuuuu 1207280;1437357599;asciilifeform;didn't ben_vulpes get hold of an actual computer at some point recently ? 1207281;1437357643;gabriel_laddel;OSICAT is a unix bindings library, download/build that program, it'll CFFI some stuff and kosher. 1207282;1437357707;gabriel_laddel;ftr, when using manardb you'll have to force it to init on reboot by creating a junk mmap'ed class. 1207283;1437357723;asciilifeform;~retch~ 1207284;1437357725;ben_vulpes;even on macos? 1207285;1437357734;gabriel_laddel;https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/blob/master/init.lisp#L31 1207286;1437357736;assbot;masamune/init.lisp at master · gabriel-laddel/masamune · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqeEsp ) 1207287;1437357746;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: lolidk prolly 1207288;1437357765;gabriel_laddel;I'm just leaving this in the logs on the off chance someone decides to play around with it. 1207289;1437357773;ben_vulpes;DUDE 1207290;1437357778;ben_vulpes;why can't i have software that works. 1207291;1437357801;*;gabriel_laddel is working on it, but money, time, lazy etc. 1207292;1437357803;ben_vulpes;i feel like herr popescu with apache and his caching layer 1207293;1437357808;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: because you haven't hardware that works. 1207294;1437357815;asciilifeform;otherwise - could write it. 1207295;1437357849;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel, for instance, probably believes that he has 'hardware that works.' just as i did, in 2008 1207296;1437357856;asciilifeform;he does not. 1207297;1437357877;ben_vulpes;okay well trinque gabriel_laddel i give up on this lisp persistence thing 1207298;1437357887;ben_vulpes;i'm writing raw sql in my cl going forward 1207299;1437357895;asciilifeform;after he learns that he doesn't, he will probably come to believe that it can be emulated on hardware which almost works. 1207300;1437357896;trinque;there are a hundred large pieces of software already out in the wild begging to be ripped open by something new 1207301;1437357900;asciilifeform;as i did in 2009. 1207302;1437357902;asciilifeform;it cannot. 1207303;1437357908;trinque;old crufty industries that are not interesting to those trying to advance the art of computer science. 1207304;1437357914;trinque;go kill a few of those and fund your computer 1207305;1437357919;gabriel_laddel;haha, I believe no such thing, but I have to deliver "working" (for some value of that word) software to clients irrespective of how hardware behaves. 1207306;1437357923;gabriel_laddel;trinque: bingo! 1207307;1437357940;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: 'for some value of the word' - you can go do, on microshit, in visual basic, sure. 1207308;1437357948;asciilifeform;i was speaking of ~actually fucking works~ 1207309;1437357953;asciilifeform;like the brooklyn bridge works 1207310;1437357956;gabriel_laddel;Or I could use CL, PCLOS, retain my sanity. 1207311;1437357961;asciilifeform;like a colt '45 works 1207312;1437358051;decimation;for example, you can make a syscall and all possible outcomes are foreseen 1207313;1437358206;gabriel_laddel;wat 1207314;1437358429;decimation;if you cannot predict the outcome of a request of the hardware, how can you possibly 'fix it' in software? 1207315;1437358436;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << obligatory re: cpp 1207316;1437358437;assbot;Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdjH0i ) 1207317;1437358503;phf;my favorite way to do lisp persistence is to just keep everything in memory and do ext:save-lisp from a that does minor amount of saved image management. i learned the trick from avi bryant back when he was writing interesting code 1207318;1437358509;asciilifeform;decimation: hardware can also make certain operations impractically unreliable (e.g., persistence across power toggles) or impractically slow (e.g., all-pointers-are-typed-pointers as on lispm will never happen on x86) 1207319;1437358520;phf;*from a thread 1207320;1437358536;asciilifeform;'save-lisp-and-die' 1207321;1437358554;phf;yes, but without the instance dying part 1207322;1437358570;ben_vulpes;slad doesn't really address the power toggle thing 1207323;1437358575;asciilifeform;if your working ram is 1) at least as big as your data set 2) connected to own nuke reactor, never loses power - then, great. 1207324;1437358578;ben_vulpes;or lisp instance crashign either, though right? 1207325;1437358594;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if your lisp crashes, something is very very wrong in your house 1207326;1437358600;phf;^ 1207327;1437358601;ben_vulpes;hey man i'm a really bad programmer 1207328;1437358619;ben_vulpes;this is such a bold claim! 1207329;1437358619;asciilifeform;i'm a terrible cook. but have never 'crashed' my kitchen yet 1207330;1437358629;ben_vulpes;really? i'm supposed to eat this? that lisp isntances don't crash? 1207331;1437358632;asciilifeform;(it is still standing) 1207332;1437358658;decimation;" I actually think C++ is ideal only for programmers without any ethics. 1207333;1437358661;decimation; you must lie, you are encouraged to declare your private stuff and keep 1207334;1437358664;decimation; the cards very closely to your breast, but if you need access, you just 1207335;1437358665;phf;i've crashed cmucl a few times, but only when i would reach into heap to access vectors directly. acl and lispworks never crash on me 1207336;1437358667;decimation; go ahead and change other people's class definitions. " 1207337;1437358668;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have never succeeded in crashing sbcl, for instance 1207338;1437358670;decimation;lul 1207339;1437358673;gabriel_laddel;it is pretty easy to crash your lisp using CL-OPENGL 1207340;1437358675;asciilifeform;at least, not without doing ffi 1207341;1437358680;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: aha, ffi 1207342;1437358687;decimation;gabriel_laddel: sure, because hardware/drivers fuck you 1207343;1437358694;ben_vulpes;hm 1207344;1437358707;ben_vulpes;what about sharing data structures across many instances? 1207345;1437358737;phf;i think the idea here is that some data loss is way cheaper then programmer time. also memory is way cheaper then programmer time. if you have a really critical data stream, just do a write only log, that you can either replay or even just recover manually 1207346;1437358765;asciilifeform;phf: 'write-only log' is what, paper tape ? 1207347;1437358774;ben_vulpes;you're telling me that i should what...just write code? 1207348;1437358776;trinque;maybe means write ahead log? 1207349;1437358791;phf;asciilifeform: essentially 1207350;1437358871;phf;in my experience it's cheaper to literally go a log file and reconstruct data manually the one time your system crash, then introduce uknowable redundancies that tend to increase complexity and ultimately result in the crash, because doesn't fit in head 1207351;1437358938;asciilifeform;phf: go reconstruct blockchain manually. 1207352;1437358941;asciilifeform;this is ludicrous. 1207353;1437358952;asciilifeform;if it can be done manually, economically, i would not be using a fucking computer ! 1207354;1437358986;asciilifeform;the answer is ALWAYS, without exception, fits-in-head+does-not-crash+operates-correctly. 1207355;1437358989;decimation;https://youtu.be/pVgM5RzWMOc?t=15s < paper tape reader 1207356;1437358990;assbot;Colossus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqhm12 ) 1207357;1437358993;asciilifeform;if you have something else - you do not have the answer. 1207358;1437359030;trinque;wait a sec 1207359;1437359036;trinque;in elephant I can only "where" on one slot? 1207360;1437359097;trinque;I have to say so far the querying capacity of this thing looks to be on par with couchdb 1207361;1437359129;phf;asciilifeform: that's my answer to. the log is a contingency plan for when the lisp instance fails, which it rarely does. in which case your goal is to reconstruct the state from the time of last save-lisp (say an hour), till the point of crash 1207362;1437359177;phf;the loc on that is in 10s, rather then 1000s + external servers for when your first reaction is to "reach for database" 1207363;1437359221;trinque;I have noticed many times that when someone tries to pry the relational model from my hands, I lose behavior and am then told "you didn't actually need that behavior" 1207364;1437359232;asciilifeform;sop 1207365;1437359257;asciilifeform;https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/pobble.html << obligatory! 1207366;1437359259;assbot;'The Pobble Who Has No Toes' - Edward Lear ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqhXzB ) 1207367;1437359290;ben_vulpes;i am going to spend 2 years just reading CL tooling documentation before putting anything into production at this rate. 1207368;1437359319;ben_vulpes;Adlai: once told me that the 'log reading' period for CL was well in excess of that for #b-a 1207369;1437359327;*;ben_vulpes empties his cup 1207370;1437359329;ben_vulpes;again 1207371;1437359355;asciilifeform;it is measured in years, yes 1207372;1437359364;ben_vulpes;what about deploying code to servers? just slime-connect to the remote host over an ssh tunnel and then compile the new codebase in? 1207373;1437359368;trinque;asciilifeform: so am I meant to read every damn object into memory just to filter on >1 slot? 1207374;1437359368;asciilifeform;can watch continents drift. 1207375;1437359388;asciilifeform;trinque: if you don't like this, can make own indices 1207376;1437359397;trinque;k 1207377;1437359400;asciilifeform;i don't get this thing were folks expect others to chew for them 1207378;1437359403;asciilifeform;wipe arse too ? 1207379;1437359407;ben_vulpes;zing 1207380;1437359417;asciilifeform;srsly, it is a bad habit imho 1207381;1437359427;asciilifeform;but curable! 1207382;1437359433;trinque;there are loads of repeating patterns in end-user data access 1207383;1437359442;trinque;I am not sorry I used relational as a "gun to fire today" 1207384;1437359444;ben_vulpes;there's a difference between chewing and a tool that abstracts a thing that needs doing 1207385;1437359446;trinque;I'll take a gun to fire tomorrow too 1207386;1437359476;*;ben_vulpes looks at postmodern again 1207387;1437359490;gabriel_laddel;" What I want to be able to do is this. 1207388;1437359491;gabriel_laddel;1. Turn on the machine. 1207389;1437359491;gabriel_laddel;2. Work. 1207390;1437359491;gabriel_laddel;3. Have a bit of fun provided I've done enough of 2, which is rarely, but that's another issue. 1207391;1437359491;gabriel_laddel;When I say 'work', I mean I want to be able to start typing on the screen, and if I feel like putting in a drawing, I draw on the screen. Or I bring something from my scanner on to the screen, or I send something from my screen to someone else. Or I get my Mac to play the tune I've just written on the screen on a synthesiser. Or well, the list obviously is endless. And if I need any particular tool to enable me to d 1207392;1437359491;gabriel_laddel;o anything complicated I simply ask for it. And I mean simply. I should never have to put away the thing I'm working on unless I've actually finished it (fat chance say my publishers) or want to do something else entirely." 1207393;1437359492;trinque;ben_vulpes: it's fine; eats a sql string or sexp version thereof, farts list 1207394;1437359493;gabriel_laddel;-- http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-00-a.html 1207395;1437359494;assbot;DNA/Frank The Vandal ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqikKE ) 1207396;1437359508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51564 @ 0.00056128 = 28.9418 BTC [-] 1207397;1437359545;trinque;gabriel_laddel: I want to sit down and catalog everything around me according to kind and relationship 1207398;1437359556;trinque;then do arbitrary data analysis over it, and fast, damn it! 1207399;1437359582;trinque;most businesses out there (that make a profit even!) are entirely blind 1207400;1437359605;trinque;or they happened upon a few tools that answered enough of the essential questions that they never bothered asking more 1207401;1437359619;phf;ben_vulpes: re server deploy http://www.nicklevine.org/play/patching-made-easy.html, not the only solution, but pretty cool 1207402;1437359619;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqiBND ) 1207403;1437359711;trinque;asciilifeform: that doesn't solve it for me either, really 1207404;1437359725;trinque;many user interfaces are essentially an editor for the where clause, order by, and so on for some query 1207405;1437359734;trinque;the conditionals involved are not necessarily known in advance 1207406;1437359752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87068 @ 0.00056836 = 49.486 BTC [+] {3} 1207407;1437359764;trinque;I don't buy that you should know in advance every interesting question you might ask your data 1207408;1437359772;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, phf, Adlai, gabriel_laddel: still curious about deploying CL code to running instances 1207409;1437359774;trinque;but perhaps that doesn't follow; I dunno yet 1207410;1437359813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124100 @ 0.00058934 = 73.1371 BTC [+] {4} 1207411;1437359822;ben_vulpes;thanks phf 1207412;1437359833;trinque;couchdb had this too 1207413;1437359834;ben_vulpes;wow i just remembered that gribble integration you wrote 1207414;1437359841;gabriel_laddel;trinque: size of the data sets you're dealing with? 1207415;1437359841;trinque;where an index had to be written for every "query" in advance 1207416;1437359845;ben_vulpes;or was it assbot... 1207417;1437359888;phf;ben_vulpes: it was assbot. i started on gribble, but it doesn't work as well 1207418;1437359900;trinque;gabriel_laddel: could be millions of rows or more; how many widgets does factory X fart out per year? 1207419;1437359909;trinque;what are all the classifications and distinctions involved in doing so? 1207420;1437359927;trinque;how many interesting relationships exist? 1207421;1437359961;phf;gribble returns identical strings for everyone, so there's no way to know if verify request is directed to you or someone else 1207422;1437359967;gabriel_laddel;Allegrocache is the only lisp solution that will work for this size dataset afaik, and I've spent a lot of time looking. 1207423;1437359970;gabriel_laddel;trinque: 1207424;1437359997;trinque;yeah, looked at that 1207425;1437360003;ben_vulpes;or perhaps we want to track quality ratings for *every widget produced* 1207426;1437360028;ben_vulpes;coviariance analysis with shop humidity at the time 1207427;1437360030;ben_vulpes;trains going by 1207428;1437360044;trinque;mhm, should be able to add classifications at will all day long 1207429;1437360055;trinque;and I wanna goddamn *see* the relationships 1207430;1437360067;trinque;or why did I build this cockpit for my business at all? 1207431;1437360073;trinque;so I could memorize it all and go on my gut? 1207432;1437360092;gabriel_laddel;lol 1207433;1437360225;trinque;gabriel_laddel: notably data modeling and analysis is one of the Franz offerings 1207434;1437360228;trinque;didn't surprise me at all 1207435;1437360434;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al: http://imgur.com/a/ED5Nl 1207436;1437360435;assbot;Miracast Internals - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqkIAW ) 1207437;1437360455;asciilifeform;(if you have one of these, and it is not obvious how to open it - use a very sharp knife.) 1207438;1437360494;asciilifeform;i found it interesting how the 802.11 module is anchored with just 6 solder balls - wonder what the protocol is 1207439;1437360578;asciilifeform;better pics than mine: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?s=64d51233e96e8197f7ed78e398986916&attachmentid=2904114&d=1408479756 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?s=64d51233e96e8197f7ed78e398986916&attachmentid=2904115&d=1408479756 1207440;1437360580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oql4HY ) 1207441;1437360581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oql3ne ) 1207442;1437360598;asciilifeform;(though his unit is not entirely the same) 1207443;1437360599;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206849 <<< but what about getting a 2nd monitor so you can watch 2 fullscreen pornos at once 1207444;1437360599;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 00:34:13; mircea_popescu: but past that... who the fuck cares. 1207445;1437360650;*;trinque imagines cazalla trying to cross his eyes to look at both 1207446;1437360653;trinque;lol 1207447;1437360895;ben_vulpes;v expensive 3d solution 1207448;1437360912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51118 @ 0.00056031 = 28.6419 BTC [-] {2} 1207449;1437360973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36527 @ 0.00055158 = 20.1476 BTC [-] {2} 1207450;1437361295;decimation;asciilifeform: re: solder balls: unfortunately sop these days 1207451;1437361305;decimation;everything is lightly glued with shit solder 1207452;1437361319;asciilifeform;decimation: in this case it was on account of the 802.11 thing ('realtek') being a separate pcb 1207453;1437361330;decimation;ah yeah I see that 1207454;1437361334;decimation;only on the edges too 1207455;1437361348;decimation;well, what you expect for $12 1207456;1437361357;asciilifeform;the thing works 1207457;1437361383;asciilifeform;i cut it open in search of an obvious test point for uart 1207458;1437361386;asciilifeform;(did not find such) 1207459;1437361397;decimation;I assume that's a bga part (the cpu) 1207460;1437361411;asciilifeform;cpu and ram were both bga 1207461;1437361433;asciilifeform;radio (front), eeprom and vreg (back) - conventional 1207462;1437361443;decimation;sux. they must have ripped out all the debug for production cheapness 1207463;1437361468;asciilifeform;can read out / rewrite the rom if i had a soic16 crocodile (i presently lack one) 1207464;1437361487;asciilifeform;got only the familiar soic8 that everyone has 1207465;1437361519;asciilifeform;there may or may not be a public root exploit for these 1207466;1437361528;asciilifeform;but i hate to rely on these 1207467;1437361547;decimation;yeah, also there are probably hardware variants, according to your research 1207468;1437361552;asciilifeform;on account of them being 'here today, gone tomorrow' 1207469;1437361556;asciilifeform;(as was with 'chromecast') 1207470;1437361640;decimation;obviously somebody is pumping these out by the mega-boat load 1207471;1437361887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25757 @ 0.00059018 = 15.2013 BTC [+] {2} 1207472;1437361948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2743 @ 0.00059018 = 1.6189 BTC [+] 1207473;1437362390;gabriel_laddel;cazalla: how's the wife/child? 1207474;1437362546;cazalla;gabriel_laddel, good but his tantrums have kicked up a notch and he climbs everything 1207475;1437362562;cazalla;missus wants another but seems last months attempts didn't strike :P 1207476;1437362624;gabriel_laddel;"climbs everything" < good to hear he's healthy 1207477;1437362704;cazalla;he's pretty clever, stacked a couple pillows in order to get up on the tv unit 1207478;1437362882;cazalla;enjoys books too which is good but reading jack and the beanstalk for 20th time each day gets a bit much, he's really picked up with that past 1-2 months bring us books to read him 1207479;1437362897;gabriel_laddel;! 1207480;1437362910;gabriel_laddel;sounds like a smart kid, good for you. 1207481;1437362981;mod6;asciilifeform: nice pics. protocol? maybe i don't get what you're asking exactly, but it says "D8027G1" 1207482;1437362999;cazalla;well, all parents like to think that of their kids but time will tell, i've read to him each day since he was born 1207483;1437363022;trinque;that's a hell of a step in the right direction 1207484;1437363049;gabriel_laddel;"The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" 1207485;1437363062;gabriel_laddel;"The Wheel of Time" 1207486;1437363082;gabriel_laddel;trilema.com 1207487;1437363110;gabriel_laddel;maybe that last one gets pushed back a few years\ 1207488;1437363130;cazalla;perhaps trilema when he is a bit older (side note - the story about the boy and the tree is a good one i'll read to him when a little older) 1207489;1437363150;cazalla;http://trilema.com/2013/a-story-of-a-boy-and-a-tree/ 1207490;1437363150;assbot;A story of a boy and a tree on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaKoRZ ) 1207491;1437363474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00059067 = 57.4722 BTC [+] {3} 1207492;1437363656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00059129 = 21.3456 BTC [+] {2} 1207493;1437363961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.15099999 = 1.359 BTC [+] {2} 1207494;1437363963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.15090322 = 1.509 BTC [-] {2} 1207495;1437364144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.15099999 = 1.51 BTC [+] {2} 1207496;1437364146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.15090322 = 1.509 BTC [-] {2} 1207497;1437364266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.15099999 = 1.057 BTC [+] 1207498;1437364329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.15090322 = 1.6599 BTC [-] {2} 1207499;1437364449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.15099999 = 1.661 BTC [+] {2} 1207500;1437364511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.15090322 = 1.8108 BTC [-] {2} 1207501;1437364632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.15099999 = 1.359 BTC [+] 1207502;1437364695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.15090322 = 1.8108 BTC [-] {2} 1207503;1437364758;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al: found the test pads on that 'miracast' thing. they were, unsurprisingly, under the sticker. 1207504;1437364815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.15099999 = 1.812 BTC [+] {2} 1207505;1437364876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.15090322 = 1.509 BTC [-] 1207506;1437365059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.15099999 = 1.963 BTC [+] {2} 1207507;1437365061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.15090322 = 2.1126 BTC [-] {2} 1207508;1437365181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.15099999 = 1.963 BTC [+] {2} 1207509;1437365791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24687 @ 0.00056448 = 13.9353 BTC [-] {2} 1207510;1437367063;decimation;http://spacenews.com/china-eyes-purchase-of-sea-launch-assets/ < "Struggling commercial launch-service provider Sea Launch AG and its owner, Energia of Russia, are in talks with the Chinese government on selling the Sea Launch command ship and launch platform to Chinese interests that would station the system in international waters offshore China, industry officials said." 1207511;1437367064;assbot;China Eyes Purchase of Sea Launch Assets - SpaceNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfufw9 ) 1207512;1437368597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89998 @ 0.00059234 = 53.3094 BTC [+] {5} 1207513;1437369251;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3dw01g/worlds_first_bitcoin_only_mmorpg_with_possibility/ 1207514;1437369252;assbot;Worlds first Bitcoin only MMORPG with possibility to earn actual Satoshi's, Eulora is gaining momentum. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mf1E9D ) 1207515;1437369512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00058117 = 11.7978 BTC [-] 1207516;1437372196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27473 @ 0.00057034 = 15.669 BTC [-] 1207517;1437372623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44576 @ 0.00057049 = 25.4302 BTC [+] 1207518;1437373294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88468 @ 0.00058089 = 51.3902 BTC [+] {2} 1207519;1437373355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2832 @ 0.00059287 = 1.679 BTC [+] 1207520;1437373599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113626 @ 0.00059344 = 67.4302 BTC [+] {4} 1207521;1437373660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56624 @ 0.00059945 = 33.9433 BTC [+] {3} 1207522;1437374453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71435 @ 0.00056466 = 40.3365 BTC [-] {2} 1207523;1437374514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151100 @ 0.00056086 = 84.7459 BTC [-] {3} 1207524;1437375124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73446 @ 0.00060033 = 44.0918 BTC [+] {3} 1207525;1437376466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74850 @ 0.00055337 = 41.4197 BTC [-] {4} 1207526;1437377625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15159 @ 0.00056862 = 8.6197 BTC [+] {2} 1207527;1437377686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17767 @ 0.00054599 = 9.7006 BTC [-] 1207528;1437378670;punkman;!up rooder 1207529;1437378721;rooder;so sell me an island 1207530;1437378762;punkman;would you also like a bridge with that? 1207531;1437378787;rooder;nah, ive a boat 1207532;1437378879;punkman;banks reopen after 3 weeks 1207533;1437378914;punkman;you can't get your money but they still call it a bank 1207534;1437378921;rooder;meanwhile al buys unheard of island to open a cannery 1207535;1437378929;rooder;all in bitcoin 1207536;1437378962;rooder;600 euro a week? 1207537;1437378972;rooder;dats rood 1207538;1437379016;punkman;420 a week 1207539;1437379036;rooder;oh 1207540;1437379144;rooder;did you vote? 1207541;1437379212;punkman;I got better things to do 1207542;1437379261;rooder;no donkey? 1207543;1437379342;rooder;busy working on bitcoin darkpools? 1207544;1437379368;rooder;world is funny 1207545;1437379391;rooder;greece is very broke 1207546;1437379438;punkman;http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/07/17-efsm-bridge-loan-greece/ 1207547;1437379441;assbot;EFSM: Council approves €7bn bridge loan to Greece - Consilium ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCCYpB ) 1207548;1437379441;rooder;is germany that frightened of turkish bread? 1207549;1437379454;punkman;"The loan will have a maximum maturity of three months and will be disbursed in up to two instalments. It will allow Greece to clear its arrears with the IMF and the Bank of Greece and to repay the ECB, until Greece would start receiving financing under a new programme from the European Stability Mechanism" 1207550;1437379607;rooder;i dont understand 1207551;1437379694;rooder;you reside in england now? 1207552;1437379720;rooder;where you dont need crowbars to final loans 1207553;1437379763;punkman;yeah but all that rain 1207554;1437379767;punkman;too wet 1207555;1437379782;rooder;lol 1207556;1437379807;rooder;you proley live down the road 1207557;1437379875;rooder;that said the economics here are equally retarded\ 1207558;1437379980;rooder;have decimation look at it 1207559;1437380007;rooder;little bit like nz little bit like france ... voila 1207560;1437380021;rooder;bro 1207561;1437380216;rooder;eat pig 1207562;1437380386;rooder;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALx9vDhjWU 1207563;1437380432;rooder;what does greece actually own? 1207564;1437380473;rooder;no pigs no roads 1207565;1437380490;rooder;some old math 1207566;1437380736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00055957 = 21.8512 BTC [+] {2} 1207567;1437381223;BingoBoingo;!up nanaki 1207568;1437381382;BingoBoingo;!up GoonClooney 1207569;1437381387;BingoBoingo;!up wgromniak 1207570;1437381545;nanaki;trilema.com is down now, I think. 1207571;1437381622;BingoBoingo;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/revealed-why-slim-people-dislike-the-overweight-459459.html 1207572;1437381623;assbot;Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1RIN52O ) 1207573;1437381630;BingoBoingo;;;isup qntra.net 1207574;1437381632;gribble;qntra.net is down 1207575;1437381635;BingoBoingo;;;isup trilema.com 1207576;1437381638;gribble;trilema.com is down 1207577;1437381640;BingoBoingo;:( 1207578;1437381646;BingoBoingo;Much sad 1207579;1437381727;nanaki;Must I wait 4-5 hours to meet mircea_popescu here? 1207580;1437381747;Naphex;nanaki: you can just join when he's around 1207581;1437381792;BingoBoingo;It's really hard to tell when he will return. Might be back in 5 minutes or 18 hours. Eulora made him even less predictable than before. 1207582;1437381916;nanaki;thanks :) 1207583;1437381916;cazalla;the great thing about irc though is that you can leave a message now and just tab back in an hour, tmw or even next week 1207584;1437381918;BingoBoingo;!up hazirafel 1207585;1437381925;BingoBoingo;!up shesek 1207586;1437381956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00057582 = 23.7238 BTC [+] {2} 1207587;1437381994;punkman;!up rooder 1207588;1437382374;rooder;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ 1207589;1437382444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61612 @ 0.00054585 = 33.6309 BTC [-] {2} 1207590;1437382613;rooder;blondie next 1207591;1437382734;rooder;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU 1207592;1437382735;assbot;Blondie - Heart Of Glass - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEaPx2 ) 1207593;1437382956;rooder;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgPUxjQOk-w 1207594;1437383005;nanaki;My (nanaki's) message to mircea_popescu: I have placed a bet on bitbet.us and sent BTCs and successfully confirmed at block# 366130 but the website doesn't apply it. The bottom of the page says "Last block: 1 hour 4 minutes ago (366131)" so it must have applied my bet. ==> SOLVED: the site reflected my bet 1h 18m later since confirmed. Usually the reflection is quick so I slightly panicked! Thank you. 1207595;1437383006;rooder;David Bowie - D.J. 1207596;1437383323;rooder;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6myNbk15sMs << 1207597;1437383325;assbot;Lightning Seeds - Pure - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RIPXwE ) 1207598;1437384091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80582 @ 0.00056746 = 45.7271 BTC [+] {4} 1207599;1437384701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71362 @ 0.0005842 = 41.6897 BTC [+] 1207600;1437386104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49838 @ 0.00058898 = 29.3536 BTC [+] {2} 1207601;1437386165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00057986 = 9.9736 BTC [-] 1207602;1437388117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85550 @ 0.00059922 = 51.2633 BTC [+] 1207603;1437388727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86254 @ 0.00059922 = 51.6851 BTC [+] 1207604;1437388971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00059922 = 6.0521 BTC [+] 1207605;1437389764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60984 @ 0.00059922 = 36.5428 BTC [+] 1207606;1437390984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89498 @ 0.00060014 = 53.7113 BTC [+] {4} 1207607;1437391439;mircea_popescu;aww someone got butthurt ? 1207608;1437391533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00058952 = 42.0917 BTC [-] {2} 1207609;1437392143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00058334 = 8.1084 BTC [-] 1207610;1437392282;mircea_popescu;311M 996G LOGDROPIN all -- !lo * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 lulz 1207611;1437392753;mircea_popescu;incidentally kakobrekla could assbot be changed so instead of dropping a bitly links it drops an archive.today link ? 1207612;1437392761;mircea_popescu;at least get an archive for teh effort. 1207613;1437392792;kakobrekla;ill check 1207614;1437392798;mircea_popescu;danke 1207615;1437393022;mircea_popescu;!up hazirafel 1207616;1437393050;hazirafel;would you use a program that sends bitcoin to the cruch of satane very time you enter facebook? 1207617;1437393058;hazirafel;curch 1207618;1437393073;mircea_popescu;i don't have a facebook ? 1207619;1437393086;mircea_popescu;and what's "enter" anyway, every time you load a webpage that pulls their fucktarded button ? 1207620;1437393088;hazirafel;good 1207621;1437393099;hazirafel;no 1207622;1437393100;mircea_popescu;for that matter what's "the church of satan" 1207623;1437393106;mircea_popescu;well no. why not. 1207624;1437393107;hazirafel;google it 1207625;1437393116;hazirafel;oks 1207626;1437393138;mircea_popescu;google is not in my wot. 1207627;1437393159;hazirafel;look it up in the phone book :) 1207628;1437393222;cazalla;hazirafel, why the CoS instead of some other charity? 1207629;1437393238;hazirafel;just a thought 1207630;1437393251;hazirafel;something not liked/funny 1207631;1437393319;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2EASGTJ << the denyin reference for that 311M pkts logdropin thing, on the off chance anyone gives a shit about the details 1207632;1437393339;mircea_popescu;pro tip : if your AN is in there you're a fucktard, i don't care if your name is "verizon" 1207633;1437393384;mircea_popescu;s/AN/ASN/ 1207634;1437393408;cazalla;hazirafel, i would suggest the Human Fund 1207635;1437393446;mircea_popescu;heh 1207636;1437393497;hazirafel;this? http://www.the-human-fund.org/heritage/ 1207637;1437393498;assbot;About — The Human Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmJlAa ) 1207638;1437393547;cazalla;whatever 1207639;1437393581;hazirafel;thanks 1207640;1437393593;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what! 1207641;1437393601;mircea_popescu;hazirafel it's a seinfeld reference. 1207642;1437393627;mircea_popescu;and here's something to bother my man cazalla : http://38.media.tumblr.com/d79ced52386260419f282a6cbea59cc0/tumblr_n5oxc1uPJp1trwqu4o1_400.gif 1207643;1437393628;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmJBiF ) 1207644;1437393652;cazalla;lol why would that bother me 1207645;1437393657;hazirafel;art 1207646;1437393682;mircea_popescu;a well, was worth a shot. 1207647;1437393806;cazalla;speaking of Seinfeld.. "On Wednesday (April 29) the online streaming service Hulu struck a deal with the show about nothing, paying $700,000 per episode ($130 million) for the rights to add the series to its already stellar lineup." 1207648;1437394249;mircea_popescu;not bad 1207649;1437394255;mircea_popescu;dude makes money while sleeping. 1207650;1437394481;hazirafel;heh 1207651;1437394494;hazirafel;maybe i'll watch the episode 1207652;1437394684;mircea_popescu;btw cazalla qntra should be back now. not sure how long it'll hold, but - publish anything you may have backing up your publishpipes 1207653;1437394690;mircea_popescu;and archive the pages lol. 1207654;1437394837;cazalla;thankfully it's been quiet, BingoBoingo might have one or had one in mind though 1207655;1437394951;mircea_popescu;aww. 1207656;1437395002;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nanaki find a better hobby, what can i tell you. 1207657;1437395003;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1207658;1437395079;mircea_popescu;my quest to disturb cazalla continues. http://38.media.tumblr.com/8824129a0d3e247174ee10e89fd30918/tumblr_myl0k5QvGj1qjhn09o2_400.gif 1207659;1437395145;cazalla;that's a pretty fail attempt tbh 1207660;1437395154;mircea_popescu;;/ 1207661;1437395165;mircea_popescu;ima go cut 1207662;1437395167;mircea_popescu;some grass now. 1207663;1437395211;cazalla;sok for another woman to lick an ass, just don't ask me to do it, sorta how fucking twins is fine as you're not the one committing incest 1207664;1437395268;mircea_popescu;how are you not lol 1207665;1437395281;mircea_popescu;you think the married woman is committing adultery alone ? 1207666;1437395330;kakobrekla;whats the difference between female tongue and male tongue ??? 1207667;1437395358;mircea_popescu;female tongue is split 1207668;1437395367;mircea_popescu;no wait, i was thinking of the wrong species. 1207669;1437395373;cazalla;kakobrekla, i don't know, it's not about that anyway, i just don't fancy sticking my tongue there but to each their own 1207670;1437395405;mircea_popescu;cazalla well you realise if your bar for being bothered is "being pictures of ME doing things", i got god's own work cut out for me here... 1207671;1437395412;cazalla;mircea_popescu, how is it an incestous act for me if i am not related to them? 1207672;1437395472;mircea_popescu;cuz you're in it. 1207673;1437395504;cazalla;fuck, so be it then if it mean doing twins 1207674;1437395526;mircea_popescu;ehehe. 1207675;1437395546;mircea_popescu;problem with doing twins is that, like anything else in life, you get used to it. 1207676;1437395570;cazalla;and nothing much bothers me, why should i be bothered someone else enjoys giving rimjobs 1207677;1437395600;cazalla;i'll have to take your word for it as this is a problem i doubt i will ever have 1207678;1437395623;mircea_popescu;anyway. my grassy knoll awaits. later! 1207679;1437395956;cazalla;it's only smellz 1207680;1437396436;shinohai;http://gizmodo.com/hackers-threaten-to-expose-40-million-cheating-ashleyma-1718965334 1207681;1437396437;assbot;Hackers Threaten to Expose 37 Million Cheating AshleyMadison Users ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLVEr6 ) 1207682;1437398304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91988 @ 0.00057922 = 53.2813 BTC [-] {2} 1207683;1437398365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32678 @ 0.00057293 = 18.7222 BTC [-] {2} 1207684;1437399463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00059668 = 7.19 BTC [+] 1207685;1437400073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00058489 = 18.5703 BTC [-] 1207686;1437400744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25812 @ 0.00058489 = 15.0972 BTC [-] 1207687;1437401293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46250 @ 0.0005728 = 26.492 BTC [-] 1207688;1437401415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00056223 = 24.7662 BTC [-] {2} 1207689;1437402940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22809 @ 0.00055666 = 12.6969 BTC [-] 1207690;1437403170;decimation;my blk0009.dat diverges from mod6's too - one of my blk0008.dat matches his (sha256sums). Something weird happens in blk0009 (approx block height < 300k) 1207691;1437403202;decimation;my blk0009.dat 6f230687f04b41d5cc3d5f3b9cdd497c1b9103394eeda96cef1d0998b3c5d185 : I'm syncing from ascii's node using 'stator' 1207692;1437403234;*;shinohai should try a resync to ascii's node 1207693;1437403297;mod6;as a reminder tho, those hashes of my .dat files were from "the wild" sync. 1207694;1437403327;mod6;i'll be revisiting this not too long from now with some hashes from mp's orig chain 1207695;1437403531;shinohai;@ mod6 does the MP node sync past the phork now? 1207696;1437403550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2863 @ 0.00055666 = 1.5937 BTC [-] 1207697;1437403575;mod6;haven't gotten there yet on nsl's node 1207698;1437403586;mod6;height=351462 1207699;1437403594;shinohai;ah k 1207700;1437403603;mod6;my openbsd one is crawling along. 1207701;1437403617;shinohai;I haven't synced stator yet. My release 0.5.3 is still up always though. 1207702;1437403618;mod6;height=205332 1207703;1437403629;mod6;0.5.3.1 ? 1207704;1437403635;shinohai;yeah that one 1207705;1437403641;mod6;nice, what block are you on? 1207706;1437403696;shinohai;366172 it updated but on regular blockchain 1207707;1437403819;mod6;did it sync the same way from block 0->current in the same manner, i.e. by finding nodes all over irc? 1207708;1437403964;shinohai;mod6 yes it only connected to irc nodes i guess, since it is before the irc demolition. 1207709;1437403984;mod6;good deal man. 1207710;1437403988;shinohai;pogo is on hold until I get an ssd, still is a great chat server 1207711;1437403991;mod6;thanks for reporting back on that 1207712;1437404014;mod6;haha, pogo chat server? 1207713;1437404029;shinohai;It's nice being the first guy to destroy a SATA installing arch on a pogo 1207714;1437404049;mod6;it bricked the drive? 1207715;1437404266;shinohai;yeah. made a screech and was gone. I have had that one forever though. I got 5 more old satas but I should just do things right with an ssd 1207716;1437404283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00055316 = 1.7701 BTC [-] 1207717;1437404286;mod6;yikes, threw a bering 'eh 1207718;1437404291;shinohai;yup 1207719;1437404324;mod6;well, thanks for putting in the effort to test this stuff, we appreciate it. 1207720;1437404342;mod6;effort & parts! 1207721;1437404360;shinohai;I love this shit, takes me a bit of time to catch up with you warriors, but I'm getting there. 1207722;1437404451;mod6;for sure. thanks, we need all the help we can get. 1207723;1437404468;shinohai;Buying a pogo with btc that was on my 0.5.3. node was kinda cool too. 1207724;1437404530;asciilifeform;i thought everybody knew, at this point, that one cannot expect to end up with same blkxxxx at all times, on account of forklets. 1207725;1437404609;shinohai;I kinda figured that but what can you do. 1207726;1437404621;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 69 active connections on s.nsa's node. 1207727;1437404628;asciilifeform;new recordz every day. 1207728;1437404648;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i thought everybody knew, at this point, that one cannot expect to end up with same blkxxxx at all times, on account of forklets. << yeah i recall. 1207729;1437404685;mod6;i guess more importantly than that, im gonna do a for(0->366XXX) dump of each block and hash it, compare it to the list that you ended up with ascii. 1207730;1437404716;asciilifeform;somebody found a bug in 'blkcut' but did not follow up re: replicating 1207731;1437404720;mod6;69! yeah, we need more nodes. 1207732;1437404723;asciilifeform;( danielpbarron ? ) 1207733;1437404740;mod6;is this the one where blkcut error made it fall over? 1207734;1437404744;asciilifeform;aha 1207735;1437404767;shinohai;asciilifeform: which is the nsa lab node at again? 1207736;1437404844;mod6;same ip 1207737;1437404865;asciilifeform;195.211.154.159:8333 1207738;1437404902;shinohai;@ mod6 when I raise a few more btc and a few bugs worked out, I am going to put 2 more up, one at my gf's house and one at my friends. 1207739;1437404934;mod6;heheh. well, just make sure if you /do/ put up a node, it is somewhat phasar resistant 1207740;1437404953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00055316 = 4.5912 BTC [-] 1207741;1437404965;mod6;I'm gonna put up a few too, but gotta wait about 6 wks. 1207742;1437404966;mod6;;/ 1207743;1437405011;shinohai;me too. First ssd, then expansion. >;3 1207744;1437405065;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://xkcd.com/1553 1207745;1437405069;assbot;xkcd: Public Key ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbHqgh ) 1207746;1437405069;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1207747;1437405106;shinohai;dat comic 1207748;1437405192;mod6;haha 1207749;1437405330;shinohai;Also, if anyone needs proofreaing and ed work done this week I am free to work :D 1207750;1437405362;mod6;actually... 1207751;1437405393;mod6;if you're looking for something to keep you busy for an evening, you can test out the gentoo x86-64 nomultilib guide 1207752;1437405399;mod6;:] 1207753;1437405412;mod6;we need a 3rd person to verify this thing so i can finally send it to the lst. 1207754;1437405436;shinohai;link me. I have never installed gentoo in my life, but a good time to learn 1207755;1437405584;mod6;ah, yeah, so ... this guide is for a physical box (takes you through using livecd) -- if you wanna set it up in a VM im sure you can do something similar with a livecd, just hvae to attach the iso file to the virtual dvd/cdrom drive.. and probably follow the same steps. 1207756;1437405621;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt && http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt 1207757;1437405622;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbIAZ3 ) 1207758;1437405623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbID76 ) 1207759;1437405631;mod6;bah. ignore that second one. that's for uclibc. 1207760;1437405658;mod6;here's the second one with full examples for nomultilib: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide-wFullExamples.txt 1207761;1437405661;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbIHnx ) 1207762;1437405705;shinohai;Thanks mod6 I'll get on it this evenin' 1207763;1437405717;*;shinohai usually ignores notes on distros besides his own 1207764;1437405875;mod6;shinohai: awesome! no rush either. when you get time is cool. let me know how it goes, i'll be around to answer q's. 1207765;1437405920;shinohai;np an education is a terrible thing to waste. 1207766;1437405929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65332 @ 0.00055429 = 36.2129 BTC [+] {2} 1207767;1437405934;mod6;the first doc is just the commands you need, so it's kinda cut/pasteable. the second is the commands with their output so you can get a sense of what you should expect to see. 1207768;1437405955;shinohai;I'm a masochist and type everything LOL 1207769;1437405968;mod6;haha, no worries. that's fine too. 1207770;1437406101;shinohai;Time is the most important asset for testing. I still want to prove that a small group can outproduce the "bitcoin foundation" sans their immense budget they blew. 1207771;1437406203;asciilifeform;outproduce ? 1207772;1437406224;shinohai;outproduce: Make a better product. 1207773;1437406383;shinohai;Or a more high-performing one. 1207774;1437406600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109083 @ 0.00056146 = 61.2457 BTC [+] {2} 1207775;1437407942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33917 @ 0.00056865 = 19.2869 BTC [+] 1207776;1437410077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66650 @ 0.00055196 = 36.7881 BTC [-] {2} 1207777;1437411541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00055086 = 20.2716 BTC [-] 1207778;1437412384;trinque;RUN MOAR GENTOO 1207779;1437412625;asciilifeform;? 1207780;1437412639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52808 @ 0.00056298 = 29.7298 BTC [+] 1207781;1437413261;shinohai;whelp it seems pogos make excellent mining controllers, not that I mine anymore. 1207782;1437413541;trinque;asciilifeform: sincerely. 1207783;1437413558;trinque;shinohai: guide's really easy 1207784;1437413601;shinohai;Looks so trinque, and I hopped on craigslist and bought a shitty laptop for $100 1207785;1437413606;trinque;nice. 1207786;1437413611;shinohai;So new toy for later yay 1207787;1437413627;trinque;they've got "Free Geek" here for scrap 1207788;1437413634;trinque;I tend to make my way there once a week or so 1207789;1437413730;shinohai;I wish we had something like that here. I blow so much on used equipment xD 1207790;1437413737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00055086 = 29.4159 BTC [-] 1207791;1437413777;trinque;shinohai: sometimes goodwill also has an electronics dept, depending on where you're at 1207792;1437413825;shinohai;Yeah but they have incredibly shitty electronics at our Goodwill. I usually troll craigslist and sometimes get free parts. 1207793;1437413839;shinohai;But today, pickings were slim and I needed a spare lappy 1207794;1437414347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68350 @ 0.00054738 = 37.4134 BTC [-] {4} 1207795;1437414711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ty but no :D 1207796;1437414841;mircea_popescu;shinohai working on the 950kb bogus block atm. 1207797;1437414880;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: working how? single-stepping the thing ? 1207798;1437414900;shinohai;Thank you for your continued dedication. 1207799;1437414971;mircea_popescu;poor mod6 no time to mine because all this foundation stuff fell on his head. 1207800;1437414971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically. 1207801;1437415079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36952 @ 0.00054514 = 20.144 BTC [-] 1207802;1437415321;mod6;haha 1207803;1437415367;mircea_popescu;to continue the chick in rubber skin thread, http://38.media.tumblr.com/c42b2ab51e7e9e85ad0c04c935504746/tumblr_n3u2tstiHD1rnqh33o2_r1_500.gif 1207804;1437415368;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mga9S0 ) 1207805;1437415876;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone amused at how the "mainstream media" took all of five seconds to decide random white dude was "racially motivated" blowing up a black church, wheras they're still "trying to look for motives" that paki dude shot up the marines ? 1207806;1437415882;mircea_popescu;sandniggers can't be raceist! 1207807;1437415889;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this apparatus works, i was told, like the ubiquitous kitchen vacuum sealer machine. but with an airhole. it is popular where i live, i was told. 1207808;1437415899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite so yes. 1207809;1437415922;mircea_popescu;and i suspect all this is autism related and should prolly be a med insurance deductable, like kinetotherapy. 1207810;1437415940;asciilifeform;kinda reminds me of the 'why not connect air compressor to the tuba' concept 1207811;1437415947;asciilifeform;not everything oughta be mechanized 1207812;1437415976;mircea_popescu;there is this particular thing in autists where being compressed widely helps 1207813;1437416128;asciilifeform;the chick who told me about the vacuum bed was into it as a straight bdsm thing iirc 1207814;1437416636;trinque;man that thing makes me uncomfortable 1207815;1437416658;trinque;anybody ever wants my launch codes, there's the way 1207816;1437416698;asciilifeform;peine forte et dure !! 1207817;1437416875;trinque;mircea_popescu: I could see it being nice for people with sensory overload issues 1207818;1437416909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17809 @ 0.0005607 = 9.9855 BTC [+] 1207819;1437417214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98979 @ 0.00055194 = 54.6305 BTC [-] {2} 1207820;1437417275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6621 @ 0.00054514 = 3.6094 BTC [-] 1207821;1437417580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00056298 = 2.7023 BTC [+] 1207822;1437418391;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Sven Arnold ; ) 1207823;1437418474;shinohai;Another one bites the dust. 1207824;1437418569;trinque;mod6: BingoBoingo: what are your opinions on using random-id and reassemble tcp in incoming traffic through pf? 1207825;1437418588;trinque;and more generally, any recommended practices? 1207826;1437418606;*;trinque has found the openbsd manpages to be in a class of their own 1207827;1437418619;trinque;exceptionally thorough 1207828;1437419021;mod6;trinque: what are you trying to achieve? 1207829;1437419044;trinque;mod6: best practices for home router with several hosts behind it 1207830;1437419121;mod6;im not positive (i don't have access to my pf.conf atm) that i've ever used random-id. i think that's for a very specific problem. but yeah you probably /do/ want scrub all reassemble tcp 1207831;1437419133;trinque;cool, am doing that 1207832;1437419404;mod6;looks like you can use random-id for some normalizatoin purposes... main thing is here, read the pf.conf man page 2x and then build up your firewall and use the heck outta tcpdump to ensure what your rule set is as you want it. 1207833;1437419432;mod6;start simple, then build in more complexity as only necessary. 1207834;1437419654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54642 @ 0.00056848 = 31.0629 BTC [+] {2} 1207835;1437419715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29379 @ 0.0005685 = 16.702 BTC [+] 1207836;1437419718;BingoBoingo;Looks like Qntra survived this weekend better than Gawker did https://archive.is/joOPE 1207837;1437419871;BingoBoingo; mod6: BingoBoingo: what are your opinions on using random-id and reassemble tcp in incoming traffic through pf? << Haven't used either of those yet. Pretty much use block, pass, and queue 1207838;1437419935;trinque;k 1207839;1437419970;trinque;former seems like handling internal host derpage (winblowz for example) 1207840;1437419982;trinque;latter seems to have to do with hiding facts about the inner network topology 1207841;1437419987;BingoBoingo;Then don't have derpy internal hosts 1207842;1437420033;trinque;yeah 1207843;1437420078;trinque;maybe asciilifeform's perspective on mitigations applies to the latter 1207844;1437420108;trinque;rather, both 1207845;1437420740;asciilifeform;wai wat 1207846;1437420751;trinque;asciilifeform: re aslr and other things 1207847;1437420771;trinque;seemed to be a point about superficial mitigations vs fixing the underlying issue 1207848;1437420781;trinque;in this case it'd be as BingoBoingo said, don't have fucking dumb hosts that can't TCP 1207849;1437420785;*;asciilifeform does not play whackamole 1207850;1437420793;*;asciilifeform will not encourage others to play it 1207851;1437420803;trinque;yeah 1207852;1437421094;punkman;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177298 1207853;1437421159;trinque;braindamage 1207854;1437421226;mod6;asciilifeform: ever get a chance to look at those bins? 1207855;1437421236;asciilifeform;unfortunately not 1207856;1437421247;mod6;np. it can wait for a bit. 1207857;1437421290;mod6;the openssl configure script (perl lel) seems to indicate that no-shared is the default -- but i wanna be sure. 1207858;1437421364;mod6;openssl-1.0.1g # grep "my \$no_shared" Configure \ my $no_shared=0; # but "no-shared" is default 1207859;1437421365;scoopbot_revived;Ashley Madison Hacked http://qntra.net/2015/07/ashley-madison-hacked/ 1207860;1437421368;mod6;wat 1207861;1437421372;mod6;oh 1207862;1437421417;asciilifeform;'and leaving their interesting and activities oriented towards extramarital dating exposed.' << ? 1207863;1437421461;mod6;strangely worded 1207864;1437421488;trinque;might've meant "interest" 1207865;1437421495;trinque;whole sentence needs to be chopped and screwed 1207866;1437421952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46899 @ 0.00057176 = 26.815 BTC [+] {2} 1207867;1437421995;hanbot;ey mircea_popescu http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-cryptocold-war-bitcoins-politics-of-scalability-cm497963 1207868;1437422041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00055508 = 11.7122 BTC [-] 1207869;1437422041;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/Bvp9c << Just in case 1207870;1437422073;mircea_popescu;hanbot heh 1207871;1437422106;asciilifeform;l0l! 1207872;1437422131;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu, who is opposed to scalability due to his vocal disdain for the poor 1207873;1437422132;mircea_popescu;derp. 1207874;1437422153;mircea_popescu;i am not opposed "to scalability". i am opposed to very specific idiocy for very clearly delineated technical reasons. 1207875;1437422161;hanbot;srsly, why's "the poor" in quotes?! 1207876;1437422196;mircea_popescu;i just don't happen to be clueless enough to confuse those for "Scalability". considering i am not actually a technical expert, this reflects very poorly opn the intellectual abilities and assorted scholarship of random derps opining on nasdaq.com 1207877;1437422238;mircea_popescu;and in any case - it's not some "disain for the poor" that's at work. just because everyone is on a (mostly hypocritical) fixation on loving the poor does not make my position disdain 1207878;1437422255;mircea_popescu;i merely do not give enough of a shit about the cause celebre du jour to neglect technical arguments for its sake. 1207879;1437422290;mircea_popescu;if anyone still has a twitter account, maybe link the derp to the above. you never know when athlete face learns something from the internets. 1207880;1437422358;mircea_popescu;"The views and opinions expressed herein are the views and opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of The NASDAQ OMX Group, Inc." mmmmkay... then why are you publishing it ? 1207881;1437422397;mircea_popescu;"oh, because fiat glbse is so desperate for <> they're resorting to the politically correct version of spun content & keyword stuffing" ? kthx. 1207882;1437422492;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: fxd 1207883;1437422508;mircea_popescu;if my father weren't a total fuckwit, he'd have told me "my son, you'll make a billion dollars before you'll read a two page item about you that manages to eschew glaring errors". 1207884;1437422516;mircea_popescu;that'd have been interesting to know twenty years ago. 1207885;1437422600;mircea_popescu;trinque i think the manuals are the secret reason keeping any bsd userbase. 1207886;1437422608;mircea_popescu;strangely enough, nobody seems to learn anything from this. 1207887;1437422634;chetty;visa doesn't dicriminate against 'the poor', they just either don't give them credit or charge them bucket for it 1207888;1437422655;mircea_popescu; Looks like Qntra survived this weekend better than Gawker did https://archive.is/joOPE << kinda hard to keep a job that doesn't come with a salary i guess. 1207889;1437422661;trinque;mircea_popescu: makes sense, they're excellent. 1207890;1437422675;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah. more important for a powerful foss than gcc. 1207891;1437422690;mircea_popescu;the one thing closed source can never do is good docs. 1207892;1437422705;mircea_popescu;somehow the bright strategic minds involved missed this point. 1207893;1437422729;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Oh those were the paid, pretentious herders of the unpaid. But since Denton clamped down on their lulz Apparently herding interns is too much nao. 1207894;1437422760;BingoBoingo; the one thing closed source can never do is good docs. << But then how would they sell support as a seperate product? 1207895;1437422764;mod6;I linked him 1207896;1437422796;mircea_popescu;the "sell support" model has been thoroughly debunked in the field. or at least that's the moral i draw from revierwing history. 1207897;1437422816;mircea_popescu;the only endpoint for that is where rhel ended up : a cheaper USG Department of Windows. 1207898;1437422851;mircea_popescu;if that's what you aim to do with your life, go to new york join the police force. 1207899;1437422859;BingoBoingo;"sell support" worked for cisco and oracle when marketing to the helpless and overencumbered with bezzle 1207900;1437422860;mircea_popescu;better union, better insurance, etc. 1207901;1437422923;mircea_popescu;it pointedly did not work foir cisco. 1207902;1437422933;mircea_popescu;it took them to the same dark place, and recently cost them their entire business. 1207903;1437422936;asciilifeform;meanwhile i'm about to stand up another node! 1207904;1437422940;mircea_popescu;yay. 1207905;1437422941;mod6;http://twitter.com/modsix/status/623222065982607360 1207906;1437422950;asciilifeform;(likely, no sooner than tomorrow noon. but it is cooking, yes) 1207907;1437422954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you paying for the server or just using one already deployed ? 1207908;1437422970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: using a box i've been hiring for years, 'in case' 1207909;1437422991;mircea_popescu;aha. if you wish to pro-rate towards nsa budget i'll ok it. 1207910;1437423010;asciilifeform;it's a cheapo box with a 10meg line and 70gb disk 1207911;1437423025;asciilifeform;probably will fill some time reasonably soon, at which point i'll finally cancel the contract on it 1207912;1437423050;mircea_popescu;k 1207913;1437423087;asciilifeform;gonna stand up more boxes in various places, incl. phriends who expressed interest 1207914;1437423103;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1207915;1437423157;mircea_popescu;lol @ mod6 s twitter location 1207916;1437423161;BingoBoingo;Not even a year and thing's now something to stand up on boxes 1207917;1437423163;mircea_popescu;how's the weather this time o year ? 1207918;1437423177;mod6;Wonderful :] 1207919;1437423179;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incredibru huh ? one alf plows like 1024 chickens. 1207920;1437423210;mod6;Can only check teh weather if in assbots L2. Which is very temperate. 1207921;1437423213;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously 1207922;1437423223;mircea_popescu;ehehe 1207923;1437423406;asciilifeform;moar patchez in the pipe, too 1207924;1437423430;asciilifeform;one (optional...!) to set a version string that actually displays to folks like 'bitnodes' 1207925;1437423432;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/623164818971713536 1207926;1437423444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00057411 = 23.4237 BTC [+] 1207927;1437423446;asciilifeform;and another (also experimental) that adds 'flushmempool' 1207928;1437423507;BingoBoingo;^ China now doing the biggest SQL join in history. #AshleyMadison #OPMhack 1207929;1437423516;asciilifeform;l0l 1207930;1437423525;*;asciilifeform bbl 1207931;1437423528;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1207932;1437423685;mircea_popescu;". The essence of Gawker has always been what happens when we get out of those meetings and go back to writing and editing the stories you do that no one else can do. " 1207933;1437423687;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? 1207934;1437423701;mircea_popescu;these schmucks actually thought they do something remarkable in any sense ? 1207935;1437423720;mircea_popescu;fascinating what derps actually sell themselves into. gawker editorial actually thinks it's more than a branded chicken coop 1207936;1437423730;mircea_popescu;they probably imagine they ever published anything worth reading, too. 1207937;1437423733;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1207938;1437423764;mircea_popescu;next i'm gonna hear shit farmers in kenya think they're pulling the sun up each morning. 1207939;1437424257;chetty; next i'm gonna hear shit farmers in kenya think they're pulling the sun up each morning.// they aren't? 1207940;1437424267;mircea_popescu;obviously. 1207941;1437424268;mats;http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/ct-lockheed-martin-sikorsky-aircraft-20150720-story.html 1207942;1437424269;assbot;Lockheed Martin to buy Sikorsky Aircraft for $9 billion - Chicago Tribune ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiflTR ) 1207943;1437424282;mircea_popescu;kinda funny to see the us reduced to the 50th state of the great nation of africa, but then again 1207944;1437424287;mircea_popescu;not my country, not my problem. 1207945;1437424368;shinohai;http://www.amazon.com/Baconlube--Flavored-Massage-Personal-Lubricant/dp/B00XQENVUS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437373740&sr=8-1&keywords=bacon+lube 1207946;1437424370;assbot;Amazon.com: Baconlube- Bacon Flavored Massage Oil & Personal Lubricant by J&D's: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1OifAhz ) 1207947;1437424411;mircea_popescu;anyway, the one notable thing re gawker is that the twerps smokling the crack pipe of radical-this-and-that do not have either the intellectual wherewithal to notice nor the mental acumen to actually create THEIR OWN FUCKING BLOGS. 1207948;1437424411;scoopbot_revived;Kickass Torrents Dropped From Google Search Results http://qntra.net/2015/07/kickass-torrents-dropped-from-google-search-results/ 1207949;1437424422;mircea_popescu;seriously, you gotta write emails to the staff about stuff like this ? 1207950;1437424428;mircea_popescu;because why, it's 1715 all over again ? 1207951;1437424524;mircea_popescu;"oh here's a backroom napkin scribbled with my protest over the culture of backroom dealing these people imported into our fine organisation of delusions of transparency. i am too stupid to understand how ridiculous i'm being. NEOTENY FOR THE VICTORY!!11" 1207952;1437424542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00057285 = 21.7683 BTC [-] 1207953;1437424609;mircea_popescu;gawker does "radical transparency" don't you know. when you fuck with me you can read all about it on trilema, but it's gawker that's radically transparent. a bunch of twerps whose names nobody even happens to know. paragons in their own minds of things they don't understand, nor would understand even if they actually tried thinking about 'em. 1207954;1437424614;mircea_popescu;fucking monkeys already. 1207955;1437424805;BingoBoingo;http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/07/20/1233229/amd-catalyst-linux-driver-performs-wildly-different-based-on-programs-name 1207956;1437424807;assbot;AMD Catalyst Linux Driver Performs Wildly Different Based On Program's Name - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OigmLK ) 1207957;1437424841;mircea_popescu;coming up next, "top 5 best program names for amd compatibility" 1207958;1437424959;BingoBoingo;Apparently doom3.x86 is a good one 1207959;1437424983;BingoBoingo;Also a journey to the mind of a Windows User https://archive.is/Kq7JT 1207960;1437424984;assbot;CEO-011 comments on [CRITICAL] Windows users: Update your machine NOW! ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcDVWW ) 1207961;1437425195;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b7ffaed85dc3cc4f937cbc57d46e2d58/tumblr_n2m74yD7d21sjyuzzo1_500.jpg 1207962;1437425196;assbot; ... ( https://archive.is/http://41.media.tumblr.com/b7ffaed85dc3cc4f937cbc57d46e2d58/tumblr_n2m74yD7d21sjyuzzo1_500.jpg ) 1207963;1437425204;mircea_popescu;HA-ha! 1207964;1437425209;mircea_popescu;my suspicions... 1207965;1437425246;mircea_popescu;now if it also worked... 1207966;1437425263;kakobrekla;what 1207967;1437425273;kakobrekla;click de archive this url. 1207968;1437425366;kakobrekla;or ? 1207969;1437425393;mircea_popescu;ah two clicks away. 1207970;1437425406;mircea_popescu;good enough i guess. 1207971;1437425448;kakobrekla;that parsing and saving is very slow on some sites and i dunno if we want to hit him with everything ? 1207972;1437425482;mircea_popescu;yeah makes sense. 1207973;1437425499;mircea_popescu;if anyone cares they can click. 1207974;1437425834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056044 = 55.0913 BTC [-] {4} 1207975;1437427359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40999 @ 0.00055064 = 22.5757 BTC [-] {2} 1207976;1437427420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22901 @ 0.00054514 = 12.4843 BTC [-] 1207977;1437427542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00054466 = 16.4487 BTC [-] {3} 1207978;1437429006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00055301 = 28.2588 BTC [+] {2} 1207979;1437431202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69817 @ 0.00054389 = 37.9728 BTC [-] {2} 1207980;1437431812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51228 @ 0.00055308 = 28.3332 BTC [+] 1207981;1437431995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00056223 = 25.469 BTC [+] 1207982;1437432605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00056223 = 7.7026 BTC [+] 1207983;1437433136;phf; fascinating what derps actually sell themselves into. gawker editorial actually thinks it's more than a branded chicken coop << from a limited experience, that seems like a sop in certain kind of sillicon-valley inspired u.s. company. a combination of "you can do anything!" with worst sort of delusions of grandeur. 1207984;1437433199;phf;ties nicely with that tlp article about "the real me" 1207985;1437433750;trinque;phf: yeah, these companies practically force their employees to take part in it 1207986;1437433794;gernika;That's the reason I can't work as a startup employee anymore: they want you to *believe* 1207987;1437433795;trinque;can't just do your job; you have to be drunk on whatever half-assed propaganda they came up with 1207988;1437433802;trinque;gernika: indeed. 1207989;1437433862;*;trinque tosses "passionate" on the american pyre 1207990;1437434211;phf;i worked for one such company last year, joined out of curiousity, but stayed to finish projects i was responsible for. the amount of dysfunctional behavior was staggering. 1207991;1437434274;phf;they had socially mandatory fist bumps, instead of hand shakes, by way of greeting. 1207992;1437434381;phf;ceo would regularly send out "vote for us as the best place to work in the city", "vote for me as the best ceo" 1207993;1437434458;gernika;phf Did you have to endure a hackathon? 1207994;1437434545;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207955 << ample precedent for this crap. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=163 -- and also that famous find where 'skype' turned out to slow deliberately when CPUID instruction returned something other than intel 1207995;1437434545;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 20:40:05; BingoBoingo: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/07/20/1233229/amd-catalyst-linux-driver-performs-wildly-different-based-on-programs-name 1207996;1437434546;assbot;Loper OS » How to un-break graphical Java apps under Ratpoison ... ( https://archive.is/http://www.loper-os.org/?p=163 ) 1207997;1437434582;phf;gernika: i didn't have to endure much, except shortage of competent underlings, but i witnessed cto organizing hackathon for other teams, and it was painful. blind leading the blind 1207998;1437434616;asciilifeform;;;isup qntra.net 1207999;1437434619;gribble;qntra.net is down 1208000;1437434626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^ 1208001;1437434731;asciilifeform;http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-cryptocold-war-bitcoins-politics-of-scalability-cm497963#/comment-2146567362 << extra-lulzy 1208002;1437434732;assbot;The Crypto-Cold War: Bitcoin's Politics of Scalability - NASDAQ.com ... ( https://archive.is/http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-cryptocold-war-bitcoins-politics-of-scalability-cm497963#/comment-2146567362 ) 1208003;1437434837;phf;it took me a while to even realize that the majority of employees had less then 3 years of programming experience, majority of managers had no software project experiences, etc. i didn't really understand until experiencing it first hand, that a large software company can be so utterly dysfunctional. and yet "we're all winners!" 1208004;1437434924;asciilifeform;dafuq is a 'hackathon' ? 1208005;1437434930;asciilifeform;newspeak for 'deathmarch' ? 1208006;1437434949;trinque;you get pizza and beer and invite shmoes off the street to come "hack" 1208007;1437434956;trinque;and expect them to ... not sure what 1208008;1437434978;trinque;"ideate" 1208009;1437434992;mats;solve problems for free! 1208010;1437435145;phf;we had a better thing than hackathon. a small group of junior developers were tasked with designing a curriculum and writing tutorials for training people with zero computer skills to become rails developers. to, i shit you not, "help disadvantaged peoples". 1208011;1437435156;trinque;the concept was obviously shat by marketing people who believed in the myth of "the weekend app that made a million bezzlars" 1208012;1437435175;trinque;obviously if it worked for "them" it'll solve all our corporate dysfunction 1208013;1437435189;trinque;phf: do what now? 1208014;1437435190;gernika;trinque that type of hackathon is innocuous compared to mandated hackathons at work. 1208015;1437435246;trinque;phf: like this was gonna get some bum off the street, making rails sites? 1208016;1437435272;trinque;gernika: yeah, the one where they fucked up project management so you're gonna ship this weekend by god! 1208017;1437435279;gernika;At one such hackathon, employees were encouraged to spend the night in the office. 1208018;1437435281;trinque;all of these people are useless 1208019;1437435301;phf;trinque: i was at one "interview" with a guy with zero programmer experience, straight from "you can do anything!" video, we're talking "dropped out of art degree to become a waiter, but hours were brutal, so i want to become a programmer" 1208020;1437435348;trinque;clearly the only thing preventing idiocracy is that it could never get that far 1208021;1437435457;trinque;phf: seems to come from an american notion that you get ahead by pulling one over on everyone else 1208022;1437435467;trinque;there's this one neat trick they don't want you to know after all 1208023;1437435476;trinque;and it surely isn't competent people working hard, anything but that 1208024;1437435502;trinque;the greatest thing you can be is a 20 year old billionaire that blasted off doing something pedestrian 1208025;1437435668;gernika;There was one hackathon which, at the time I hated, but in retrospect had some redeeming value to it. People formed their own teams and worked on their own ideas and at the end, the CEO judged the results. 1208026;1437435680;gernika;CEO told our team ours sucked. 1208027;1437435683;phf;that's an old school notion, trickster as a hero and all that, but i don't think this is that. these people are not even hustlers, i don't think there's any awareness there. 1208028;1437435748;gernika;Which, hey - would good if that happened more. Sadly the CEO's own idea turned out to suck and the startup went out of business. 1208029;1437435899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78733 @ 0.00056226 = 44.2684 BTC [+] {2} 1208030;1437436265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91700 @ 0.00056619 = 51.9196 BTC [+] {3} 1208031;1437436387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105348 @ 0.0005712 = 60.1748 BTC [+] {5} 1208032;1437436714;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: soldered pogo-style ttl serial probe to the 'miracast'. this yielded a straight root shell in ~5 seconds after powerup. 1208033;1437436737;phf;asciilifeform: btw hackthons used to be face to face development sessions by free software teams, when they had opportunity to all congregate at some location. coined afair by theo, but went the same way as "open" and such 1208034;1437436777;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://dpaste.com/0YSCME3.txt 1208035;1437436778;assbot; ... ( https://archive.is/http://dpaste.com/0YSCME3.txt ) 1208036;1437436860;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: lastly, http://dpaste.com/05FDR4M.txt 1208037;1437436861;assbot; ... ( https://archive.is/http://dpaste.com/05FDR4M.txt ) 1208038;1437437156;decimation;asciilifeform: lol no login 1208039;1437437197;asciilifeform;it's a serial port 1208040;1437437216;asciilifeform;thing inside is an extremely cut-down linux 1208041;1437437226;asciilifeform;(big fat surprise, it has to live in that 8MB eeprom) 1208042;1437437278;phf;heh, qijialiang@CVN-SERVER 1208043;1437437286;asciilifeform;the last time i plugged the thing into a display, i configured it to sit down on a wireless lan 1208044;1437437301;asciilifeform;so it can access the net, yes 1208045;1437437319;gabriel_laddel;"there's this one neat trick they don't want you to know after all " << hahaha 1208046;1437437320;asciilifeform;no telnet server though, so it might have to get new rom (and flasher) via 'xmodem' or the like 1208047;1437437341;asciilifeform;this is probably the smallest - masswise and volumewise - linux box that i've ever owned 1208048;1437437349;asciilifeform;30 grams or so 1208049;1437437400;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1208050;1437437401;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0RHSK1S.txt ) 1208051;1437437477;gabriel_laddel;IMHO, hackathons are at their core a good thing - all implementations thus far have been terrible. 1208052;1437437494;gabriel_laddel;"play with computers & new friends" 1208053;1437437497;gabriel_laddel;yay 1208054;1437437504;trinque;sure, throw competent people into a room, give 'em toys, sounds great 1208055;1437437511;asciilifeform;'eat fine dinner and fuck AT THE SAME TIME !' 1208056;1437437523;trinque;lol 1208057;1437437530;asciilifeform;not everything wants to happen at same time 1208058;1437437615;mircea_popescu;;;isup qntra.net 1208059;1437437618;gribble;qntra.net is up 1208060;1437437619;mircea_popescu;kthen 1208061;1437437655;mats;mircea_popescu: how long do you plan to keep the legal research project open? 1208062;1437437670;mircea_popescu;mats well until completion. 1208063;1437437687;mircea_popescu;for sure can't close it with all the work you put into it. 1208064;1437437729;phf;gabriel_laddel: original meaning is "remote team briefly works face to face". i think hackathons without shared context and common goal are fundamentally misguided 1208065;1437437749;mircea_popescu;mats ftr, we're here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-05-2015#1132541 1208066;1437437749;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 03:32:27; mircea_popescu: mats went to check out the courts article, seems there's quite a bit left to go before i can close & award it. http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#selection-317.0-325.66 1208067;1437437755;mircea_popescu;just in case you missed that. 1208068;1437437774;mircea_popescu;phf not so different from any other hot topic tshirt. 1208069;1437437877;phf;nothing new 1208070;1437437890;asciilifeform;anybody else here has 'miracast' device ? 1208071;1437437898;asciilifeform;(or any of the 1,001 clones) 1208072;1437437935;gabriel_laddel;phf: Sure, as "fundamentally misguided" as any other meetup for young people. 1208073;1437437944;gabriel_laddel;phf: but whatever, I'm not against chess club 1208074;1437437950;gabriel_laddel;well, actually I'm against chess club 1208075;1437437954;gabriel_laddel;math club then 1208076;1437437957;asciilifeform;chess isn't trying to build infrastructure 1208077;1437437975;asciilifeform;or teach surgery 1208078;1437437990;asciilifeform;to paraphrase naggum, yes, i am against surgery club for kidz 1208079;1437438010;asciilifeform;(or perhaps i am enthusiastically for it, but only because misanthropy) 1208080;1437438010;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel sure, but there's meetup of young people ie team + cheerleaders on the bus back from game away ; and then there's the meetup of young people ie, jay explains to preteens what the clit is. 1208081;1437438018;mircea_popescu;he's young too. mentally. 1208082;1437438057;gabriel_laddel;I was never party to either of those, so idk 1208083;1437438102;mircea_popescu;why are you against chess club ? 1208084;1437438143;gabriel_laddel;chess has been solved 1208085;1437438154;mircea_popescu;fucking, idem. 1208086;1437438186;mircea_popescu;incidentally : someone should start an "abortion club" trollage/moral panic. whereby you convince "the media" that the latest fad among teenagers is abortion club. "you gotta have one to be someone!" 1208087;1437438207;asciilifeform;iirc there is abortion porn 1208088;1437438222;mircea_popescu;"the latest dangerous fad to sweep our nation's junior high scene since that faux story about fermented shit we came up with out of nowhere." 1208089;1437438224;asciilifeform;(definitely there was a few storiez on usenet/asstr) 1208090;1437438230;asciilifeform;jekem! 1208091;1437438231;asciilifeform;l0l 1208092;1437438243;mircea_popescu;global derping! 1208093;1437438259;trinque;my (former) buddy in middle school tried to smoke the banana peels 1208094;1437438262;asciilifeform;i learned of the jekem crap from uncle al, incidentally 1208095;1437438276;mircea_popescu;i think the banana peels thing was a different one. 1208096;1437438285;asciilifeform;those were in the 'anarchist cookbook' 1208097;1437438291;asciilifeform;along with 1,001 other frauds 1208098;1437438298;trinque;yeah, I think that's where he got it 1208099;1437438304;trinque;kid was scared to smoke weed, though 1208100;1437438306;trinque;wtf? 1208101;1437438363;asciilifeform;woah did gavin trip over his mains cable or what? 1208102;1437438367;asciilifeform;where is the tx spam ?! 1208103;1437438380;BingoBoingo; chess has been solved << not quite 1208104;1437438381;mircea_popescu;mains ?CABLE ? 1208105;1437438387;mircea_popescu;i fear to think of your living arrangements! 1208106;1437438448;*;asciilifeform does not have this problem 1208107;1437438460;asciilifeform;has proper ducts, like adults, now 1208108;1437438462;cazalla;trinque, don't forget nutmeg! 1208109;1437438500;mircea_popescu;is that a def lepard album ? 1208110;1437438520;mircea_popescu;o no wait, it was "careful with that axe, eugene" not "trinque, don't forget the nutmeg". 1208111;1437438523;mircea_popescu;my bad. 1208112;1437438630;asciilifeform;where is the spam 1208113;1437438634;asciilifeform;life is so empty without it 1208114;1437438651;asciilifeform;did the fed run out of coin 1208115;1437438656;mircea_popescu;failed to impressed, is at home crying in pillow ? 1208116;1437438742;asciilifeform;the miracast almost makes me wish i had a tv set. would plug it in, watch blockchain go 1208117;1437438747;trinque;lol what 1208118;1437438751;trinque;cazalla: nutmeg? 1208119;1437438759;mats;mircea_popescu: part V is covered in the first signed message, it follows the list of cases http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 and i chose trilema as the venue for public review 1208120;1437438759;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( https://archive.is/http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 ) 1208121;1437438784;trinque;mircea_popescu: bahahaha 1208122;1437438806;mircea_popescu;mats and 4 ? 1208123;1437438968;trinque;https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=21663 << my god, he did nutmeg and he could think any thought he wanted! 1208124;1437438970;assbot;Erowid Experience Vaults: Nutmeg - Not at all what I expected! - 21663 ... ( https://archive.is/https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=21663 ) 1208125;1437439031;asciilifeform;when i took organic chem at uni, for some reason 'extract myristicin from the nutmeg' was the first lab session 1208126;1437439051;*;asciilifeform did not eat it, on account of recalling that it is one of the 'bad' hallucinogens 1208127;1437439217;trinque;heh, sure, and his "dose" was 5 teaspoons 1208128;1437439231;trinque;of the nutmeg itself 1208129;1437439253;mats;mircea_popescu: i can build a table for 4 (total score, number of cases), but what sort of statistical data are you looking for? the set is small and idk how you'd judge the quality of the data 1208130;1437439291;mircea_popescu;im not looking for anything too elaborate. do a formal "here's everything" bit and i'll call it good. 1208131;1437439322;mircea_popescu;"the sample is small and not much to be said" is after all statistical analysis, perfectly adequate for a sample that is small and not much to be said. 1208132;1437439461;cazalla;trinque, preddy sure nut meg was in some cook book alongside banana skins ( i tried both afterall) 1208133;1437439594;punkman;"The vulnerability in Microsoft Font Driver could allow remote code execution if a user opens a specially crafted document or visits an untrusted webpage that contains embedded OpenType fonts. " 1208134;1437439594;trinque;I chewed some baby woodrose seeds one time, was pretty weird 1208135;1437439646;mats;plenty of font bugs left 1208136;1437439658;asciilifeform;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S8sREt92vQ4/VFIK0V4gOSI/AAAAAAABxPM/mJl1PAhGmHY/s1600/HTB1KDrtGFXXXXaOXFXXq6xXFXXX0.jpg << http://www.spansion.com/Support/Datasheets/S25FL128S_256S_00.pdf >> short sck and si lines, apparently throws the cpu into bootloader, can then rewrite rom via usb 1208137;1437439658;assbot; ... ( https://archive.is/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S8sREt92vQ4/VFIK0V4gOSI/AAAAAAABxPM/mJl1PAhGmHY/s1600/HTB1KDrtGFXXXXaOXFXXq6xXFXXX0.jpg ) 1208138;1437439854;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207973 << /me does and will! 1208139;1437439854;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 20:51:39; mircea_popescu: if anyone cares they can click. 1208140;1437439872;cazalla;trinque, i think i remembe that one and something about soaking them 1208141;1437440094;trinque;yup, that was it 1208142;1437440122;trinque;and if feeling vaguely shitty and weak visuals are your thing, they're great! 1208143;1437440226;BingoBoingo;Empire of Fee-fees https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/20/a2d60412ba2ebe714ff576f9a39757a6.png 1208144;1437440227;assbot; ... ( https://archive.is/https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/20/a2d60412ba2ebe714ff576f9a39757a6.png ) 1208145;1437440300;trinque;"The Internet's Premier Shitlord Image Host" << wahaha 1208146;1437440300;scoopbot_revived;The best auction. Ever. http://trilema.com/2015/the-best-auction-ever/ 1208147;1437440352;BingoBoingo;trinque: Remember it was necessary because Imgur is fat 1208148;1437440599;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/20/f0be2298689c860f6c88fe5c534aa8cc.png 1208149;1437440601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jddf8i ) 1208150;1437440638;trinque;gross 1208151;1437440644;asciilifeform;barfatronic 1208152;1437440853;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-17254 << today's lol 1208153;1437440855;assbot;Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1JddYGF ) 1208154;1437440933;mircea_popescu;gernika well b,tmsr~ doesn't care what you believe. 1208155;1437441044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a hackathon is actually a brilliant idea : take a bunch of kids with cs airs, strip them naked, chain them to desks and let them come out once they did something worthwhile. 1208156;1437441055;mircea_popescu;i think it's been perverted in the evil clutches of ustardism tho. 1208157;1437441089;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: substitute in a different profession and see if the above still appears to make sense 1208158;1437441103;BingoBoingo;Still works 1208159;1437441105;asciilifeform;e.g., 'lock the kidz in a room and let'em out once some of them build a plane' 1208160;1437441116;asciilifeform;e.g., 'lock the kidz in a room and let'em out once some of them compose a passable symphony' 1208161;1437441131;asciilifeform;hope you have good corpse disposal facilities 1208162;1437441163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only substituteable profession is camwhore. 1208163;1437441167;mircea_popescu;and it appears to make sense yes. 1208164;1437441203;BingoBoingo;Lock kids in a room, let out once two have switched kidneys 1208165;1437441208;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. 1208166;1437441218;asciilifeform;software as it exists now is largely the result of precisely this kind of process. 1208167;1437441221;asciilifeform;i am not impressed. 1208168;1437441229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is what defines the profession. 1208169;1437441245;mircea_popescu;you think venetian glassblowing is defined by what they actually did, or by all the glass they could have conceivably blown 1208170;1437441246;trinque;right, "weekend appz" as I said 1208171;1437441248;mircea_popescu;on the basis of... glass ? 1208172;1437441252;asciilifeform;witch doctor in the congo does not define medicine. 1208173;1437441254;asciilifeform;not now, not ever. 1208174;1437441264;mircea_popescu;at some point, yes. 1208175;1437441271;mircea_popescu;at some point congolese witch doctor defined medicine. 1208176;1437441281;asciilifeform;not when there are actual doctors somewhere. 1208177;1437441296;mircea_popescu;and at the current point, "programmer" is EXACTLY like "etsy artefactual expert" 1208178;1437441308;mircea_popescu;but there ARENT actual doctors somewhere. 1208179;1437441317;mircea_popescu;that's what we're trying to do here, the somewhere. imo not done yet. 1208180;1437441327;mircea_popescu;so so far - programmer, camwhore, boys and girls. 1208181;1437441342;*;asciilifeform begs to differ 1208182;1437441348;mircea_popescu;used to be easy rider and waitress, fiddy years ago 1208183;1437441359;mircea_popescu;this isn't going towards a meta-programmersclub thing is it ? 1208184;1437441370;asciilifeform;nah. 1208185;1437441388;mircea_popescu;where is the place ? do i go to microsoft and learn how programming's done fo real by pros ? 1208186;1437441396;asciilifeform;mno 1208187;1437441397;mircea_popescu;or where, nvidia ? foxconn ? 1208188;1437441403;asciilifeform;mno. 1208189;1437441413;mircea_popescu;well what, naggum's crypt ? 1208190;1437441417;asciilifeform;aha 1208191;1437441419;asciilifeform;or my crypt 1208192;1437441425;asciilifeform;or perhaps 1,001 other 1208193;1437441427;mircea_popescu;sorry to tell you, crypts do not cunt in this discussion. 1208194;1437441436;mircea_popescu;a profession's not an osuary. 1208195;1437441442;asciilifeform;hey my crypt's in business 1208196;1437441443;asciilifeform;l0l 1208197;1437441447;mircea_popescu;lol 1208198;1437441465;mircea_popescu;anyway, i took this as far as i care to. gotta admit it's a fine if unpleasant argument 1208199;1437441473;mircea_popescu;i yield the balance of my time, to the future programmers. 1208200;1437441489;phf;perhaps ITA before bought by google 1208201;1437441494;asciilifeform;(and the folks i work with - are very much not 'etsy artefactual expert' types) 1208202;1437441499;gernika;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208154 << refreshing. 1208203;1437441499;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 01:08:53; mircea_popescu: gernika well b,tmsr~ doesn't care what you believe. 1208204;1437441510;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, you me and everyone else. except nobody can visit. 1208205;1437441511;asciilifeform;phf: 1,001 places! but none are famous 1208206;1437441522;asciilifeform;and none lift derps off the street and 'teach' them 1208207;1437441526;mircea_popescu;a profession's different from a fucking secret society yo. 1208208;1437441530;mircea_popescu;fundamentally different. 1208209;1437441531;asciilifeform;not so sure about this 1208210;1437441539;trinque;asciilifeform: hell I've learned a great deal being *here* 1208211;1437441540;mircea_popescu;like a wife and a whore : both sore in the cunt, yet not the same deal. 1208212;1437441567;mircea_popescu;profession specifically means, "dominative of the public discourse on the topic" 1208213;1437441572;mircea_popescu;which your guys are not. 1208214;1437441576;asciilifeform;much of history of physical science (arguably the 'good times') were squarely in the 'secret society' days 1208215;1437441592;asciilifeform;public discourse - aha, nasdaq, not mpex 1208216;1437441592;mircea_popescu;"physical scientist" was never a profession. 1208217;1437441617;asciilifeform;alchemist! 1208218;1437441620;mircea_popescu;for that matter, spinoza was a lens polisher by trade. his profession wasn't "philosopher". that was his hobby. 1208219;1437441622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00056956 = 11.619 BTC [-] {2} 1208220;1437441922;trinque;!up Rozal 1208221;1437441930;trinque;!up Cory 1208222;1437442311;trinque;couple more of those and I'll stop 1208223;1437442315;trinque;tired of this thing going offline 1208224;1437442333;trinque;long term fix is ripping out the golang thing and replacing it, meanwhile... bash hairball 1208225;1437442544;*;asciilifeform wonders if anyone has carried out any serious public work whatsoever re: mempool tx propagation 1208226;1437442561;*;asciilifeform notices that all of his nodes carry precisely the same tx, but then again they are all peering one another... 1208227;1437442684;asciilifeform;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/128.8.124.7-8333 << l0l, poor buggers are wedged 1208228;1437442685;assbot;128.8.124.7:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLgFEL ) 1208229;1437442691;asciilifeform;i oughta knock on their door and tell'em 1208230;1437442739;asciilifeform;esp. funny considering that they portscan planet 24/7 and try to -addnode to everybody who answers 1208231;1437442756;asciilifeform;(incl. even us) 1208232;1437442795;trinque;alright, that sob checks his underwear via cron and restarts if need be 1208233;1437442802;trinque;someone give me a shout if he disappears again 1208234;1437443033;scoopbot_revived;Prepare to be insanely, incredibly, very very jealous with envy! http://trilema.com/2015/prepare-to-be-insanely-incredibly-very-very-jealous-with-envy/ 1208235;1437443782;*;asciilifeform sits and thinks, wondering whether anyone has produced clockless (muller gate) miner 1208236;1437443825;asciilifeform;ideal application - small circuit, precious-little comms with outside world, etc 1208237;1437443938;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2013#429461 << old threadz, for n00bz 1208238;1437443938;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2013 17:13:53; asciilifeform: the clockless ARM (pretty braindamaged idea, to take a classical cpu and make it clockless, but anyway) had to be designed ad hoc, avoiding industry-standard toolchains. 1208239;1437444141;asciilifeform;http://www.righto.com/2014/09/why-z-80s-data-pins-are-scrambled.html << unrelated, historical lulz 1208240;1437444142;assbot;Why the Z-80's data pins are scrambled ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLj5U3 ) 1208241;1437444511;asciilifeform;and for some more lulz. tried to find some material re: 'non-outsourceable puzzles', vaguely recalled that it was an idea whereby mining pool is made impossible on account of any participant being able to undetectably claim the entire reward for himself. then learned that there is no such field, properly speaking, as 'non-outsourceable puzzles', and that it was a crackpot creation of miller (the one featured in http://trilema. 1208242;1437444511;asciilifeform;com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring ) 1208243;1437444546;mats;deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3TW10PM.txt 1208244;1437444547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLjIwV ) 1208245;1437444550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45291 @ 0.00058092 = 26.3104 BTC [+] {3} 1208246;1437444600;asciilifeform;neato! 1208247;1437444608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu awake ? 1208248;1437444734;mats;trinque: anything wrong with deedbot? 1208249;1437445075;trinque;clearly there is 1208250;1437445083;trinque;oh, no that's the wrong syntax 1208251;1437445090;trinque;just deedbot- 1208252;1437445100;trinque;mats: ^ 1208253;1437445115;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3TW10PM.txt 1208254;1437445116;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLjIwV ) 1208255;1437445117;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1208256;1437445124;mats;syntax changed huh 1208257;1437445152;trinque;yeah, there were complaints, mistakes were made, those responsible were sacked 1208258;1437445953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42550 @ 0.00055919 = 23.7935 BTC [-] 1208259;1437446136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00058292 = 29.2043 BTC [+] 1208260;1437446351;decimation;asciilifeform: what is the sha256sum of your blk0009.dat? 1208261;1437446635;decimation;http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-15-459 < " In fiscal year 2011, the most recent information available, DOD spent over $1 billion leasing commercial SATCOM. " 1208262;1437446636;assbot;U.S. GAO - Defense Satellite Communications: DOD Needs Additional Information to Improve Procurements ... ( http://bit.ly/1VnmJTe ) 1208263;1437446846;decimation;asciilifeform: how did you attach your serial cables? 1208264;1437446929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00058292 = 32.0023 BTC [+] 1208265;1437447264;decimation;asciilifeform: can you even buy müller gates? 1208266;1437447307;decimation;apparently he americanized it into muller 1208267;1437447539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45923 @ 0.00058292 = 26.7694 BTC [+] 1208268;1437448149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00055919 = 25.3313 BTC [-] 1208269;1437448637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00058292 = 20.5771 BTC [+] 1208270;1437448670;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207730 << i copied a few blk files over to my gentoo laptop and tried blkcut and it just failed instantly so I figured I did something wrong 1208271;1437448670;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 15:05:16; asciilifeform: somebody found a bug in 'blkcut' but did not follow up re: replicating 1208272;1437450772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00058292 = 16.0012 BTC [+] 1208273;1437451724;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208260 << 1631edac873633135b9eb9b8214d6d2b30d708d00ec4dd1db6a9bf09f384551b (on 'dulap' AND 'zoolag') 1208274;1437451724;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 02:39:11; decimation: asciilifeform: what is the sha256sum of your blk0009.dat? 1208275;1437451759;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208265 << afaik they were never once sold as discrete items 1208276;1437451759;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 02:54:24; decimation: asciilifeform: can you even buy müller gates? 1208277;1437451779;asciilifeform;(i.e. there is not a 74xxxx containing six of'em) 1208278;1437451795;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208263 << whaddayamean how 1208279;1437451795;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 02:47:26; decimation: asciilifeform: how did you attach your serial cables? 1208280;1437451810;asciilifeform;with battery-powered soldering iron, on balcony 1208281;1437451855;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208270 << pretty plz post the input that brought about its death ?? 1208282;1437451855;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 03:17:50; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207730 << i copied a few blk files over to my gentoo laptop and tried blkcut and it just failed instantly so I figured I did something wrong 1208283;1437451865;asciilifeform;as in, something i could gdb through 1208284;1437451882;danielpbarron;the blk file? 1208285;1437451892;asciilifeform;aha 1208286;1437451901;asciilifeform;if you know which. 1208287;1437451909;danielpbarron;i tried a bunch, nothing worked 1208288;1437451927;asciilifeform;nothing worked in the sense that it crashed every time ? 1208289;1437451936;danielpbarron;yeah I never have seen it work 1208290;1437451945;asciilifeform;plz upload just one then 1208291;1437451947;asciilifeform;somewhere. 1208292;1437451957;asciilifeform;can be the ml 1208293;1437451965;decimation;yeah obviously soldered, did you find pads broken out somewhere? 1208294;1437451965;asciilifeform;or wherever else is convenient. 1208295;1437451975;asciilifeform;decimation: i mentioned earlier, in logs, they are under the sticker 1208296;1437451982;asciilifeform;clearly labeled 'tx' 'rx' 'gnd' 1208297;1437451989;decimation;lol must have missed that 1208298;1437452006;asciilifeform;each is around the size of a printed full stop 1208299;1437452019;asciilifeform;so use a reasonably young iron tip 1208300;1437452037;decimation;heh yeah plus steady hand 1208301;1437452073;decimation;is it a 'spi' or 'rs-232 low voltage' bus? 1208302;1437452146;decimation;it's weird how divergence seems to happen in blk0009.dat - deserves further investigation with block dumper 1208303;1437452216;asciilifeform;rs232 but ttl voltage 1208304;1437452218;asciilifeform;same as pogo 1208305;1437452221;asciilifeform;115200 baud. 1208306;1437452224;asciilifeform;also same as pogo. 1208307;1437452244;decimation;yeah, seems pretty stanard in industry 1208308;1437452275;asciilifeform;no part of any of this is in any way astonishing. 1208309;1437452364;asciilifeform;presently wondering whether the '256M' of ram was a lie, and if so, how the thing ended up with 150 1208310;1437452390;asciilifeform;that ain't a 150 die on the pcb - no such animal 1208311;1437452410;danielpbarron;welp i'm retarded; file permissions was the problem 1208312;1437452417;asciilifeform;l0l 1208313;1437452418;danielpbarron;figured that out in trying to host the damn file 1208314;1437452489;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://dpaste.com/0YSCME3.txt << nice! 1208315;1437452491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIWCW ) 1208316;1437452519;*;danielpbarron watches blk0001 get shredded 1208317;1437452519;asciilifeform;^ to be clear, that is the stock (manufacturer's) fw 1208318;1437452558;asciilifeform;oh l0l, the 256M turns into 150 on account of the framebuffer 1208319;1437452559;asciilifeform;duh 1208320;1437452651;asciilifeform;24M for the fb proper, but another 60 (!) for accelerator, something called 'ion' 1208321;1437452705;danielpbarron;Extracting block #188528 in archive blk0001.dat : 244995 bytes << blk0001.dat ends here 1208322;1437452706;asciilifeform;as for what the fuck 'ipp buf' is, and why it eats 16 precious MB, science is silent ! 1208323;1437452718;asciilifeform;nobody seems to know 1208324;1437452725;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: iirc this is correct 1208325;1437452729;danielpbarron;yay 1208326;1437452740;danielpbarron;this is from my 0.5.3.1-beta on pogo 1208327;1437452849;asciilifeform;'ipp' appears to be yet another graphicsism 1208328;1437452927;asciilifeform;in yet other nyooz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/07/blog-post.html 1208329;1437452928;assbot;ClubOrlov: 书名：假如美国不在了：无美国世界的生存新秩序 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxJwAA ) 1208330;1437453023;danielpbarron;Extracting block #3366 in archive blk0019.dat : 999986 bytes 1208331;1437453046;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: if you've the time, hash and deedbot your blocks 1208332;1437453069;danielpbarron;aight 1208333;1437453073;asciilifeform;(i don't presently have mine on hand in cut-up form) 1208334;1437453091;danielpbarron;which hash is prefered? 256 or 512? 1208335;1437453103;asciilifeform;512 1208336;1437453110;asciilifeform;(as general principle) 1208337;1437453489;decimation;ipp = intel performance primatives? makes no sense 1208338;1437453494;asciilifeform;no 1208339;1437453527;asciilifeform;it belongs to the gpu in the 'rockchip' 1208340;1437453534;asciilifeform;(the soc that runs the thing) 1208341;1437453544;decimation;actually it's quite impressive they have stuffed this much capability into humble stick 1208342;1437453568;decimation;asciilifeform: there's probably no hope of resurrecting the original distro source? 1208343;1437453577;asciilifeform;incidentally, is anyone else perplexed by the 'mali' gpu? recall mircea_popescu's piece were he picks it as the archetypical pissant country, not even interestingly infamous the way, e.g., zimbabwe or north kr are 1208344;1437453589;asciilifeform;decimation: it's a cut-down 'android' 1208345;1437453594;asciilifeform;certifiably worthless 1208346;1437453601;asciilifeform;and what little space there is, is occupied by crud 1208347;1437453613;asciilifeform;it Must Die (tm) 1208348;1437453618;decimation;mali kinda became famous with the wondering muslimtude 1208349;1437453623;asciilifeform;(to be replaced with a civilized 'buildroot', naturally) 1208350;1437453644;decimation;might as well turn off framebuffer, can't spare 60meg 1208351;1437453653;asciilifeform;supposing it can be turned off 1208352;1437453657;decimation;aye 1208353;1437453669;asciilifeform;at any rate, it still wins ram-wise over pogo, with it on 1208354;1437453673;decimation;the intresting question is - are the the hardware doodads supported in vanilla kernel 1208355;1437453686;asciilifeform;my current understanding is - 'sorta' 1208356;1437453692;asciilifeform;one can get a picture going, yes. 1208357;1437453711;decimation;unfortunately 1001 flavors of 'android' 1208358;1437453723;decimation;hardware I mean 1208359;1437453724;asciilifeform;fuck android 1208360;1437453738;decimation;full of closed-source shit 1208361;1437453741;asciilifeform;the hw is a bog-standard cheapo arm 1208362;1437453748;asciilifeform;it will go just as pogo went. 1208363;1437453764;asciilifeform;there is an additional trick needed to get the usb chipset into host mode 1208364;1437453776;asciilifeform;(while receiving power from the jack) 1208365;1437453782;decimation;can you measure current draw? 1208366;1437453787;decimation;for connecting drives, yes 1208367;1437453815;asciilifeform;haven't formally measured, but it worked fine from an unpowered hub with a rat's nest of crud hanging off it 1208368;1437453828;decimation;probably less than a few hundred ma then 1208369;1437453832;asciilifeform;so probably somewhere considerably south of 500ma 1208370;1437453846;asciilifeform;(at no serious cpu load) 1208371;1437453850;decimation;interesting, would be useful as a 'internet of things' device 1208372;1437453865;asciilifeform;gets pretty warm 1208373;1437453915;asciilifeform;this thing is probably the most cpu per gram of whole machine, at least in my collection 1208374;1437453931;asciilifeform;and almost cheap enough to drop from airplane. 1208375;1437453941;decimation;someone probably is 1208376;1437454054;cazalla;le guardian http://i.imgur.com/7lrGIuC.jpg 1208377;1437454054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdCk31 ) 1208378;1437454066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46767 @ 0.00055919 = 26.1516 BTC [-] 1208379;1437454067;decimation;asciilifeform: have you used a markup format for directed graphs? 1208380;1437454076;decimation;seems like 'dot' is the defacto standard 1208381;1437454085;asciilifeform;decimation: can't say that i have 1208382;1437454112;decimation;cazalla: lol 1208383;1437454241;decimation;I wonder if that kernel boot line is some kind of device map? maybe allocating the gpu mem? 1208384;1437454371;decimation;and that alsa line is interesting - I wonder if that is to drive the audio on the hdmi port or if there is actual analog audio 1208385;1437454384;asciilifeform;no analogue on this board 1208386;1437454388;asciilifeform;at least, not brought out 1208387;1437454434;decimation;can you find the rom device? might be able to make it puke through serial port 1208388;1437454493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00058771 = 46.4879 BTC [+] {5} 1208389;1437454517;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.diana_coman.1:eda77f1600ad140a749e385a9f6eb53436d7c3487db0039bf0cf85840a907f25 1208390;1437454517;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for diana_coman with note: fellow Eulorian; knows her way around a samovar 1208391;1437454569;asciilifeform;decimation: in the log 1208392;1437454584;asciilifeform;also the box is a seriously cut-down thing 1208393;1437454588;asciilifeform;not even, e.g., 'cat' on it 1208394;1437454605;decimation;yeah gonna have to clear a beachhead 1208395;1437454611;decimation;or remote-mount usb stick 1208396;1437454626;asciilifeform;no 'mount' 1208397;1437454649;asciilifeform;it'll have to be put in 'recovery mode' and the whole turd overwritten with something reasonable. 1208398;1437455189;decimation;can download turds here it appears http://www.rockchipfirmware.com/firmware-downloads 1208399;1437455190;assbot;Firmware Downloads | Rockchip Firmware ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdDVWB ) 1208400;1437455397;decimation;asciilifeform: I assume you saw this http://linux-rockchip.info/mw/index.php?title=Category:List_of_Rockchip_SoCs 1208401;1437455398;assbot;Category:List of Rockchip SoCs - Linux Rockchip ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9T9Xu ) 1208402;1437455440;decimation;has link to specsheet 1208403;1437455688;cazalla;;;isup qntra.net 1208404;1437455692;gribble;qntra.net is down 1208405;1437455835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00056682 = 10.6279 BTC [-] 1208406;1437455855;decimation;asciilifeform: according to datasheet, it has rtc? but it needs 32.678khz crystal (and power) 1208407;1437456056;decimation;http://www.tokuda.net/diary/adiary.cgi/0851 1208408;1437456057;assbot;NetBSD/evbarm on Radxa Rock USB編 - BSD小僧の日記 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdEO1g ) 1208409;1437456216;decimation;http://wiki.t-firefly.com/index.php/Firefly-RK3288/Build_kernel/en 1208410;1437456226;*;decimation to bed, hopefully interesting 1208411;1437458635;BingoBoingo;Snacky Cakes now ruining more livers than booze https://archive.is/PY1kW 1208412;1437458636;assbot;Study finds increase in unused transplant livers | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1SyNbVX ) 1208413;1437458696;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/y8bS7 1208414;1437458697;assbot;Many Livers 'Too Fat' For Transplant | Medpage Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1SyNhwH ) 1208415;1437459678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30154 @ 0.00056011 = 16.8896 BTC [-] {2} 1208416;1437460162;BingoBoingo;Fuck it. I spent all of this time syncing with the CVS tree. I'm compiling this bitch. 1208417;1437460654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00055919 = 14.2314 BTC [-] {2} 1208418;1437461243;trinque;;;isup openbsd.org 1208419;1437461244;gribble;openbsd.org is up 1208420;1437461246;trinque;wat 1208421;1437461256;trinque;cannot get to it from here 1208422;1437461275;trinque;and couldn't from another, distant IP 1208423;1437461280;trinque;guess it passed though 1208424;1437461306;BingoBoingo;trinque: up here 1208425;1437462057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00055919 = 4.4735 BTC [-] 1208426;1437464582;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207408 << hack on production, automatic 100% keystroke deplyoment 1208427;1437464582;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 02:36:12; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, phf, Adlai, gabriel_laddel: still curious about deploying CL code to running instances 1208428;1437464651;Adlai;also get chummy with http://l1sp.org/search?q=u-i-f eg https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/blob/master/util.lisp#L65-L72 1208429;1437464652;assbot;u-i-f - l1sp.org search ... ( http://bit.ly/1fiGZEL ) 1208430;1437464653;assbot;scalpl/util.lisp at master · adlai/scalpl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1fiGXwH ) 1208431;1437465046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00056682 = 7.9922 BTC [+] 1208432;1437468950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00055425 = 24.6918 BTC [-] {5} 1208433;1437469438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00056682 = 3.2876 BTC [+] 1208434;1437472559;shinohai;;;ticker 1208435;1437472560;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 280.11, Best ask: 280.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 280.15, 24 hour volume: 10999.12117073, 24 hour low: 277.0, 24 hour high: 282.1, 24 hour vwap: None 1208436;1437475264;mircea_popescu;!up Guest58663 1208437;1437475721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 29.26357267 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 5 satoshi per share 1208438;1437475746;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/02MWWGK.txt 1208439;1437475747;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpJvXw ) 1208440;1437475748;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1208441;1437475838;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208225 << no. because everyone that starts an attempt gets spooked by the results. 1208442;1437475838;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 01:35:44; *: asciilifeform wonders if anyone has carried out any serious public work whatsoever re: mempool tx propagation 1208443;1437475876;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208235 << nope. and yes. 1208444;1437475876;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 01:56:22; *: asciilifeform sits and thinks, wondering whether anyone has produced clockless (muller gate) miner 1208445;1437475944;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208243 << coolness. 1208446;1437475944;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 02:09:06; mats: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/3TW10PM.txt 1208447;1437476119;mircea_popescu;so i really like the stuff mats put in there, going to keep it open till friday and then award it. if anyone objects or wants to comment or w/e speak out. 1208448;1437476140;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208447 1208449;1437476140;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 10:55:19; mircea_popescu: so i really like the stuff mats put in there, going to keep it open till friday and then award it. if anyone objects or wants to comment or w/e speak out. 1208450;1437476141;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1208451;1437476149;mircea_popescu;and hanbot and whoever else took an interest in this. 1208452;1437476286;mircea_popescu;"请买我的书" lmao 1208453;1437476423;mircea_popescu;users by lines, last 7 days 1.) assbot 1151 2.) mircea_popescu 1111 3.) asciilifeform 1087 << the closest it's been! 1208454;1437476511;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208376 << top kek. 1208455;1437476511;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 04:47:34; cazalla: le guardian http://i.imgur.com/7lrGIuC.jpg 1208456;1437476517;mircea_popescu;"our culture" 1208457;1437476526;mircea_popescu;stupid bitch. she ain't no part of any culture. 1208458;1437476697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00055808 = 8.7619 BTC [-] 1208459;1437476711;*;BingoBoingo took advantage of this Qntra downtime to update OpenBSD to 5.7 release and then compile/install 5.7 stable 1208460;1437476756;mircea_popescu;eh down again ? 1208461;1437476761;mircea_popescu;heh it was up a moment ago. 1208462;1437476835;BingoBoingo;Maybe it is just really slow again 1208463;1437477124;BingoBoingo;" Error 1000 Ray ID: 209672bca5fe260a 2015-07-21 11:08:29 UTC " 1208464;1437477135;BingoBoingo;"You've requested a page on a website (qntra.net) that is on the CloudFlare network. Unfortunately, it is resolving to an IP address that is creating a conflict within CloudFlare's system." 1208465;1437477144;mircea_popescu;aww. 1208466;1437477157;BingoBoingo;DNS points to prohibited IP 1208467;1437477166;mircea_popescu;doh. 1208468;1437477176;mircea_popescu;(i just switched it over. coinbase's 1208469;1437477188;mircea_popescu;apparently there doesn't exist ANYTHING on the internet that doesn't use cloudflare. 1208470;1437477205;mircea_popescu;and then im supposed to not suspect usg is out there ddosing everything. 1208471;1437477212;mircea_popescu;because hey, "that'd be just crazy" 1208472;1437477241;shinohai;@ BingoBoingo you *still* getting attacked? 1208473;1437477253;mircea_popescu;only been a week or so ? 1208474;1437477295;mircea_popescu;well not counting the 20gbps oct spike and the 15gbps june spike o.O 1208475;1437477299;mircea_popescu;what do you mean STILL lmao. 1208476;1437477300;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Most of last week actually wasn't so bad, at least 8 hours of availability a day. This weekend though 1208477;1437477343;shinohai;Hmmm....someone needs a hobby. 1208478;1437477352;mircea_popescu;lol like hot water. 1208479;1437477367;mircea_popescu;is there a non-fucktarded img host ? 1208480;1437477380;mircea_popescu;eh nm, wtf am i asking. for the internet to be useful, i must be from the past. 1208481;1437477452;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/bw-qntra-year.png << there. THAT is independent journalism. 1208482;1437477453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpOasw ) 1208483;1437477544;BingoBoingo;And the BW usage has no correlation at all with the quantcast stats 1208484;1437477559;mircea_popescu;the spikes are both ddos. 1208485;1437477650;BingoBoingo;Of course, because the internet is retarded to the point "usage" numbers can't at all relate to the actual use of a thing by persons. 1208486;1437477765;mircea_popescu;what persons. 1208487;1437477862;BingoBoingo;Ones who read. USG department of internet says that no. Bandwidth usage must never correlate with actual readership. So packet inflation. 1208488;1437477956;mircea_popescu;neways. i'd much rather debug this than move, so your patience's appreciated. 1208489;1437477996;mircea_popescu;also if you have burning articles, i can arrange for it to be visible selectively so you can make archive prints 1208490;1437478086;BingoBoingo;Keep debugging. Thankfully nothing too burning is in queue at the moment. 1208491;1437478277;shinohai;is qntra archived anywhere? 1208492;1437478403;shinohai;actual IP>>> coinbase.com 107.21.102.138 UNITED STATES 1208493;1437478464;mircea_popescu;o.O 1208494;1437478485;mircea_popescu;this has all the makings of drama. lesee 1208495;1437478660;shinohai;http://pastebin.com/mHExYJUX 1208496;1437478661;assbot;0/24 block search - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpRaoM ) 1208497;1437478671;chetty;lmao right outside dc even 1208498;1437478730;shinohai;Just another Amazon instance 1208499;1437478799;mircea_popescu;amazon instance -> cloudflare -> internet. all via PKI. 1208500;1437478808;mircea_popescu;YOUR PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT TO US. nom nom nom 1208501;1437478826;shinohai;SO important that too < 10 minutes to find. 1208502;1437478852;mircea_popescu;so random schmuck today finds himself in the following situation : if he goes anywhere, taking uber, all his travel is in usg db. 1208503;1437478873;mircea_popescu;if he visits any website, both amazon and cloudflare have records, which can even be compared. how's that for ECC asciilifeform ! 1208504;1437478897;mircea_popescu;obviously if he pays anyone anything that's tracked. and in his dumbass case, this includes bitcoin 1208505;1437478911;mircea_popescu;which he buys via amazon instance > cloudflare and he spends via amazon instance > cloudflare. 1208506;1437478918;chetty;given the latest revelations that stuss is almost at the noise level 1208507;1437478919;mircea_popescu;might as well use fucking visa rather than all this wastage. 1208508;1437478931;mircea_popescu;then when i say bitcoin is not for the poor, people are liek o noes. 1208509;1437478938;mircea_popescu;why waste all the fucking cycles to do visa poorly ? 1208510;1437479175;BingoBoingo;!b 8 1208511;1437479175;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TYZ1NS.txt ) 1208512;1437479298;mircea_popescu;of course the proper node is "why should us resident derp have any money whatsoever", which obviously he shouldn't. disposable income belongs to the sort of people who think about the world, usian maggots really have no busienss holding any money whatsoever. 1208513;1437479346;mircea_popescu;and if he doesn, the end result is "supersized beverages" and "britney spears, best singer ever" 1208514;1437479461;shinohai;My sides: https://np.reddit.com/r/BitMarket/comments/3dzcj9/wtsbitcoin_trade_bot_website_businessinabox_10_btc/ 1208515;1437479462;assbot;[WTS]Bitcoin Trade Bot Website - Business-in-a-Box (10 BTC) : BitMarket ... ( http://bit.ly/1HNXCQj ) 1208516;1437480085;shinohai;http://ec2-107-21-102-138.compute-1.amazonaws.com/webalizer/ 1208517;1437480086;assbot;Usage Statistics for web.suchdamage.org - Last 12 Months ... ( http://bit.ly/1HNZfgY ) 1208518;1437480165;shinohai;/icons/ lists directory contents, tsk tsk 1208519;1437480174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40524 @ 0.0005634 = 22.8312 BTC [+] {2} 1208520;1437480235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30176 @ 0.00056682 = 17.1044 BTC [+] 1208521;1437480601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00056682 = 10.7696 BTC [+] 1208522;1437481301;mircea_popescu;shinohai wassat ? 1208523;1437481338;shinohai;A bunch of old shit i guess, i dunno. I was peeking about trying to find where they keep shit. 1208524;1437481368;mircea_popescu;lol 1208525;1437481562;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-best-auction-ever/ << now with chatlog. 1208526;1437481563;assbot;The best auction. Ever. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HO3vwJ ) 1208527;1437481918;mircea_popescu;too quick 1208528;1437482265;mircea_popescu;lol something awful now running mostly psa ads 1208529;1437482520;mircea_popescu;"Proprietary code decays and devteams of proprietary code decay even faster. Just look at Google." 1208530;1437482525;mircea_popescu;shit i love reading my old quotes. 1208531;1437483725;BingoBoingo;No Cloudflare or DNS for Best Korea https://www.northkoreatech.org/2015/07/06/a-peek-inside-north-koreas-intranet/ 1208532;1437483728;assbot;A peek inside North Korea's intranet ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbaEXb ) 1208533;1437484565;mats;traded ma two SSDs in for pcie SSDs 1208534;1437484595;mats;striped reads at 4GB/s with two 'SM951' 1208535;1437484890;shinohai;nice mats 1208536;1437485336;nubbins`;hi 1208537;1437485399;nubbins`;oh look, courts circus finally getting resolved 1208538;1437485405;nubbins`;going on two years now :0 1208539;1437485444;nubbins`;and almost 27btc in the pot! will be interesting to see how it's sliced up 1208540;1437485490;nubbins`;say, i'm sure someone here would know: what's the smallest amount of btc i can send to each of ~6,000 addresses in a single tx and expect to get it relayed? 1208541;1437485803;punkman;depends on fee/age/etc 1208542;1437486091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15164 @ 0.00055438 = 8.4066 BTC [-] 1208543;1437486442;decimation;http://thepointstraveler.com/an-introduction-to-the-basics-of-manufactured-spending/ < lol there's a big subculture devoted to ripping off idiotic marketing schemes (credit card points, etc) 1208544;1437486443;assbot;An Introduction to the Basics of Manufactured Spending - The Points Traveler ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiKCFA ) 1208545;1437486522;decimation;http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-072015a-smithsonian-kickstarter-armstrong-spacesuit.html < a new low for usg - begging for money on kickstarter 1208546;1437486523;assbot;Smithsonian launches Kickstarter to 'reboot' Neil Armstrong spacesuit display | collectSPACE ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiKHcd ) 1208547;1437486542;decimation;" "The Smithsonian receives 70 percent of its appropriations from the federal government and that amount covers staff salaries, building support and maintenance, and not much more" said Lewis. "It has been a very long time since we have been able to use the appropriations for programming, exhibits and special projects."" 1208548;1437486604;decimation;^ usg should raise all its money this way, voluntary taxes: "Funding the $1e9 joint strike fighter: at the $1e7 level:recieve turd hand-polished to the same specifications as the canopy" 1208549;1437486682;decimation;"Check out this clip from “CBS Saturday Morning” to see how the team digitizes everything from the Spirit of St. Louis to a sitting American president." < tele-dildonics? 1208550;1437486946;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208406 << same as pogo. both - absent 1208551;1437486946;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 05:17:35; decimation: asciilifeform: according to datasheet, it has rtc? but it needs 32.678khz crystal (and power) 1208552;1437486976;decimation;pogo has inactive rtc? 1208553;1437486982;asciilifeform;it does 1208554;1437486986;asciilifeform;i explained many times. 1208555;1437486993;asciilifeform;needs crystal and battery. 1208556;1437487003;asciilifeform;(and, iirc, a few passives) 1208557;1437487012;decimation;yeah probably, not gonna happen for such a cheap board 1208558;1437487071;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208443 << realize that if even one such chip is publicly available, this is trivial to test: put it in ln2, if it automagically runs faster, without any extra manipulations - it is clockless logic 1208559;1437487071;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 10:51:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208235 << nope. and yes. 1208560;1437487150;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208469 << 'good cop / bad cop' - what do you suppose the maxint porous routers and miscellaneous ddosatrons are for, if not for herding folks onto 'cloud' ? 1208561;1437487150;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 11:13:08; mircea_popescu: apparently there doesn't exist ANYTHING on the internet that doesn't use cloudflare. 1208562;1437487193;decimation;spam -> gmail; ddos -> cloudflare,aws ec2 1208563;1437487199;asciilifeform;aha. 1208564;1437487224;asciilifeform;banditism -> cities 1208565;1437487238;asciilifeform;(as described in 'the art of not being governed') 1208566;1437487256;decimation;yeah, see also mancur olson 1208567;1437487264;asciilifeform;!s yi yi zhi yi 1208568;1437487264;assbot;17 results for 'yi yi zhi yi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yi+yi+zhi+yi 1208569;1437487325;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208502 << no need to ride 'uber', just walk around carrying ipNohe 1208570;1437487325;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 11:40:52; mircea_popescu: so random schmuck today finds himself in the following situation : if he goes anywhere, taking uber, all his travel is in usg db. 1208571;1437487343;decimation;or any phone of any kind 1208572;1437487346;asciilifeform;aha 1208573;1437487366;asciilifeform;but true patriot (tm) carries iPnohe, cache the gps stream, save the crown the disk space 1208574;1437487368;decimation;or drive anywhere with a license plate 1208575;1437487388;decimation;or use a credit card to buy anything 1208576;1437487477;asciilifeform;^ this one is even more interesting than commonly supposed: one needn't even be usg to access purchase records! they are, i learned, routinely subpoenaed in civil cases 1208577;1437487491;asciilifeform;(e.g., divorce) 1208578;1437487525;decimation;http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/07/chicago-regional-housing-section-eight/398798/ < "en the state of Illinois distributes low-income housing tax credits, which are essential for developers who want to build affordable housing without losing money, it favors projects that have Section 8 units, so these units are also more likely to get funded than, for example, affordable units in struggling neighborhoods with no ... 1208579;1437487527;assbot;Chicago's Regional Housing Initiative - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiMjml ) 1208580;1437487531;decimation;... Section 8 units. " 1208581;1437487541;decimation;asciilifeform: I think you can just buy them from visa, amex, etc 1208582;1437487543;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208512 << mircea_popescu will be pleased to learn that this part of the program has been accomplished! i, for instance, have no idea what serious disposable money even smells like from a cannon's shot away ! 1208583;1437487543;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 11:48:18; mircea_popescu: of course the proper node is "why should us resident derp have any money whatsoever", which obviously he shouldn't. disposable income belongs to the sort of people who think about the world, usian maggots really have no busienss holding any money whatsoever. 1208584;1437487545;decimation;if you are the right kind of person 1208585;1437487579;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208513 << actually the result is automagically doubled rent/mortgage 1208586;1437487579;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 11:49:06; mircea_popescu: and if he doesn, the end result is "supersized beverages" and "britney spears, best singer ever" 1208587;1437487631;scoopbot_revived;Wences whacked, Xapo zapped. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/21/wences-whacked-xapo-zapped/ 1208588;1437487684;pete_dushenski;decimation: i'm assuming you caught this week's episode of econtalk ? re ^^ 1208589;1437487702;decimation;heh no I'm getting through my weekly dose of the french revolution 1208590;1437487713;pete_dushenski;burke ? 1208591;1437487725;asciilifeform;speaking of which... 1208592;1437487727;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/07/so-you-say-you-dont-want-revolution.html 1208593;1437487728;assbot;ClubOrlov: So you say you don't want a revolution? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiMDBn ) 1208594;1437487733;decimation;looks like lulzy fun 1208595;1437487754;asciilifeform;^ mega-article 1208596;1437487763;decimation;no this guy: http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/ 1208597;1437487764;assbot;Revolutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiMFt6 ) 1208598;1437487840;asciilifeform;^ orlov follows up on mircea_popescu's 'greeks must behead' 1208599;1437487852;pete_dushenski;decimation: ew, he only accepts paypal 1208600;1437487862;pete_dushenski;for donations 1208601;1437487881;decimation;L0L! 1208602;1437487894;decimation;oh you mean russ roberts? 1208603;1437487951;pete_dushenski;decimation: nah, revolutions guy 1208604;1437487970;pete_dushenski;i dun think russ does donations other than those from stanford directly 1208605;1437487992;decimation;yeah. the revolutions guy also did a 300 episode 'history of rome', he's pretty good for amateur historian 1208606;1437488066;pete_dushenski;that's a bonkers number of episodes 1208607;1437488074;pete_dushenski;makes dan carlin seem tame. 1208608;1437488086;decimation;yeah, but he goes into pretty deep detail. he's 44 episodes into the french revolution 1208609;1437488110;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, carlin's death throes of the republic is mega-recommended. 1208610;1437488127;*;decimation puts it on the list 1208611;1437488149;pete_dushenski;http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-death-throes-of-the-republic-series/ 1208612;1437488150;assbot;Hardcore History - Death Throes of the Republic Series - Dan Carlin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki3IhC ) 1208613;1437488226;asciilifeform;'if you give Stalin a memorandum recommending that 500 priests get shot, and Stalin crosses out 500 and pencils in 1000 in red pencil, then you better find 500 more priests to shoot, or the number becomes 1001 and includes you.' 1208614;1437488265;pete_dushenski;listened to it back in 2013. carlin is pretty masterful at bringing political and war stories to life. 1208615;1437488305;decimation;asciilifeform: I see a pretty direct route from nazis -> baathists -> isis 1208616;1437488376;asciilifeform;'Could this have been done without any red terror? I doubt it. Greece is very much oligarch-ridden; even the celebrated former Syriza FM Yanis Varoufakis is the son an industrial magnate. The Greek oligarchs and the rich would have had to be rounded up and held as hostages. Numerous people in the government and in the military have a split allegiancethey work for Europe, not for Greece. They would have had to be sacke 1208617;1437488377;asciilifeform;d immediately and held incommunicado, under house arrest at a minimum. No doubt foreign special services would have run rampant, looking for ways to undermine the revolutionary government. This would have called for drastic preemptive measures to physically eliminate foreign spies and agents before they could have had a chance to act. And so on. This wouldn't have been a job for fluffy mini-poodles. ' 1208618;1437488516;decimation;the only reason anyone gives two shits about greece is because of the precedent it would set for spain, italy, other countries that matter 1208619;1437488538;pete_dushenski;which is nuts, when you think about it 1208620;1437488554;pete_dushenski;a precedent's only a precedent if two things are comparable. 1208621;1437488575;pete_dushenski;what, just because they're all on the mediterranean, apples are oranges now ? 1208622;1437488611;pete_dushenski;italy, spain, and portugal suck in their own way, but their not career criminals like the greeks are. 1208623;1437488618;pete_dushenski;they're* 1208624;1437488632;asciilifeform;no? 1208625;1437488634;decimation;it is nuts, but it's kinda what happens when you are pretending that the 'eu' exists 1208626;1437488673;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: where were greece's foreign colonies in the last millennia ? 1208627;1437488675;punkman;pete_dushenski: not career criminals in italy and spain? 1208628;1437488702;pete_dushenski;punkman: under eu 'phree bezzle if you sign here', sure, but that's relatively recent. 1208629;1437488735;pete_dushenski;greece has been at this game since plato, neh ? 1208630;1437488826;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/20/ashley-madison-data-breach-time-to-buy-bitcoin/#comment-267850 1208631;1437488827;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Ashley Madison data breach: time to buy Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki59ga ) 1208632;1437488827;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: at the scrapyard, 'ford' and 'mercedes' looks quite alike, and go in the same press 1208633;1437488839;pete_dushenski;^greenspun's got the bitcoin bug nao ;) 1208634;1437488930;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: unless scrapyard is 'pick n' pull', in which case it's not just the raw materials that's priced out, but the actual functional parts extant 1208635;1437489079;pete_dushenski;"Greece is very much oligarch-ridden" << because i'm sure greece would be in an EVEN BETTER financial position if only the power were returned to the puddles of mud who voted 'oxi'. 1208636;1437489096;asciilifeform;and what are the good engine parts in sp, it, .. ? 1208637;1437489152;pete_dushenski;that's for the shake-out to determine, not top-down authorities. 1208638;1437489205;asciilifeform;but as i understand, pete_dushenski was telling us that there ~are~ such 1208639;1437489229;asciilifeform;so i wanted to know what supports this hypothesis 1208640;1437489256;asciilifeform;from my perch, these old 'rustbuckets' all looks quite alike 1208641;1437489264;asciilifeform;i don't see a clear 'mercedes' 1208642;1437489306;decimation;the 'eu' was a funding vehicle to give all the poor idiots money to buy german/french/uk goods 1208643;1437489321;asciilifeform;outsourced inflation 1208644;1437489339;pete_dushenski;italy still has production capabilities - cars, clothes, bicycles, etc. 1208645;1437489351;decimation;now germany/france/uk are whining that they are being crushed by the debts they lent to these idiots so they could spend on their exports 1208646;1437489358;pete_dushenski;i don't recall seeing a 'made in greece' tag recently, if ever. 1208647;1437489358;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: by same token, so does usa 1208648;1437489389;decimation;the only part of italy that isn't orc-land is the po river valley 1208649;1437489392;asciilifeform;the question is not whether the machines are there - but whether anyone wants to pay enough for the output of said machines to actually feed italians 1208650;1437489396;decimation;and parts north 1208651;1437489398;asciilifeform;(or americans) 1208652;1437489400;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: agreed. i'm not of the opinion that usistan doesn't have useful shards. 1208653;1437489410;punkman;pete_dushenski: oh last couple years there's little greek flags on a myrida of products 1208654;1437489417;punkman;*myriad 1208655;1437489468;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: eh, not like factory workers need so much to eat. hungry people work. 1208656;1437489475;punkman;half of it still's made in china of course 1208657;1437489482;pete_dushenski;punkman: lulzy 1208658;1437489491;pete_dushenski;'assembled in greece' 1208659;1437489504;punkman;pete_dushenski: usually accompanied by derpy slogans 1208660;1437489509;pete_dushenski;which is basically 'added label sticker in greece' 1208661;1437489521;punkman;"buy greek, support the economy" 1208662;1437489540;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you think 'hungry people work' - let me guess - because your grandfather was hungry, and worked. today's 'hungry' will not work. not while they have option of eating you and i 1208663;1437489696;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: when grandfather was in prison, yes - hungry - which is why he still won't eat soup to this day. 1208664;1437489715;pete_dushenski;but today's hungry have no such option, from whence comes the idea that bitcoin wasn't discovered ? 1208665;1437489755;pete_dushenski;i dun see that the group has much recourse against the capitalist. 1208666;1437489785;pete_dushenski;you make it sound like we need them, when in point of fact it's the converse that's truer. 1208667;1437489845;pete_dushenski;why any -person- would bother with greece is beyond me. 1208668;1437489866;pete_dushenski;eu of course isn't a -person-, it's a ponzi scheme with 'dignity' that has to save face. 1208669;1437489989;pete_dushenski;at the same time, i can see why a -person- would bother with italy : architecture, stronger remnants of culture, art, (albeit modest) production capability, some measure of refinement here and there. 1208670;1437489995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00056139 = 23.3258 BTC [+] {2} 1208671;1437490154;phf;pete_dushenski: i think that's american bias. as a eurpn i feel the same about greece as you do about itality, though they both are failed states and third world economies 1208672;1437490175;funkenstein_;olympus massif is beautiful, worth a visit for that summit alone 1208673;1437490286;pete_dushenski;phf: both failed states ? sure. the point isn't that their governments suck merkel's balls, of course they do, the point is that one of them is usable for spare parts, the other isn't. 1208674;1437490339;phf;pete_dushenski: right, and that's what i'm saying is american bias. italy is popularized here because of all the italians, while greece is sometimes vaguely remembered 1208675;1437490448;pete_dushenski;sorry, where's 'here' ? 1208676;1437490462;phf;sorry, "here" in the states 1208677;1437490516;pete_dushenski;aha. well i'm in canada but it's largely the same 'culture'. 1208678;1437490557;phf;russian (and european) literature borrows from greeks as much as it did from italians. i grew up intimately knowing greek mythos and not just from watching Hercules on tv, because you can't read a single russian novel without some greek allusion or outright a direct reference. when i went there i knew places from before even seeing them 1208679;1437490656;pete_dushenski;well, eastern half of the roman empire 'went greek,' infecting eastern europe and up into russia, so that'd make sense. 1208680;1437490708;pete_dushenski;and i'm not saying that the greeks haven't been influential intellectually 1208681;1437490750;pete_dushenski;even if they did just bring egyptian and abrahamic philosophy to the northern mediterranean 1208682;1437490768;pete_dushenski;they took the best parts ! 1208683;1437490777;pete_dushenski;but that was 2300 years ago now. 1208684;1437490823;pete_dushenski;the spanish, italians, and portuguese were relevant and productive as recently as a century ago. 1208685;1437490846;asciilifeform;and the americans - a quarter century 1208686;1437490847;asciilifeform;what of it 1208687;1437490856;pete_dushenski;less time for decay, more pieces left to rebuild with. 1208688;1437490857;asciilifeform;'but it was a mercedes! last year!' 1208689;1437490861;asciilifeform;'you totalled it' 1208690;1437490887;*;asciilifeform bbl 1208691;1437490894;pete_dushenski;so front end smashed, tires still roll. 1208692;1437490926;pete_dushenski;leave that smashed-up merc for 200 years in the scrapyard and it'll be rust dust. 1208693;1437490942;phf;pete_dushenski: i'm not in a position to save any one country. if i were putin, i'd buy greece, move greeks off some of the islands, and recreate greek drama with imported nubile slavs, but 1208694;1437490946;nubbins`;<+punkman> depends on fee/age/etc << gimme some numbers here! oldest coins i have handy access to haven't moved since sept 2014 1208695;1437490983;pete_dushenski;find the banged-up merc 200 -days- after the accident and maybe you find yourself a new alternator, or maybe the glass is all intact and salvageable. 1208696;1437490988;phf;what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization" 1208697;1437491050;nubbins`;reason i'm wondering this is that it came up the other day 1208698;1437491059;nubbins`;nobody's spammed all of the casascius coins yet 1208699;1437491131;funkenstein_;spamming an address doesn't change the age of the UTXOs already there 1208700;1437491167;nubbins`;no, you misunderstand 1208701;1437491205;nubbins`;sending spam/dust to a casascius coin's address is like spraying indelible graffiti on it 1208702;1437491242;nubbins`;i've passed up on coins because the addresses had extra funds sent to em 1208703;1437491266;punkman;why? 1208704;1437491291;kakobrekla;i think he owns a mac punkman 1208705;1437491303;pete_dushenski;phf: sure it's sentimental, but sparta didn't invade troy for a woman, greece is being propped up because the eu doesn't want to admit FAILURE and suck Putin's and b-a's cock to compensate. 1208706;1437491350;pete_dushenski;because 'dignity', because reasons. 1208707;1437491376;pete_dushenski;because maybe papering over your problems with more and more layers of paper will eventually create a cast of 'stability' 1208708;1437491400;pete_dushenski;like greece is a broken arm, instead of the broken head it is. 1208709;1437491440;phf;pete_dushenski: i vaguelly agree with that, but i'd say that's sop opinion here. 1208710;1437491493;pete_dushenski;and the opinions of the educated are to be discounted because the media has a bridge to sell you ? 1208711;1437491886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27975 @ 0.00055935 = 15.6478 BTC [-] 1208712;1437491945;phf;i don't know if the whole greece situation is a failure though. that /eu/ failed was obvious by 2005 or so. now germans seem to be doing exactly what they want to, that is refine their control over various parts of europe. next it's bailouts for italy, spain, etc. where wehrmacht failed, bundestag succeeds 1208713;1437492098;pete_dushenski;you can't have the eu failing and the bundestag succeeding at the same time. they're one and the same. 1208714;1437492147;pete_dushenski;if you're saying that the eu is failed/failing, which i happen to agree with, then by extension so has their monetary union and the german attempts at 'peaceful' unification of europe. 1208715;1437492164;fluffypony;http://newsthump.com/2015/07/20/shark-survives-attack-by-australian-surfer/ 1208716;1437492165;assbot;Shark survives attack by Australian surfer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ii0vym ) 1208717;1437492170;pete_dushenski;which, had the internet not come along and fucked shit up quite so badly, might've even worked. 1208718;1437492194;pete_dushenski;fluffypony: lucky shark ! 1208719;1437492679;phf;pete_dushenski: that i don't know. i was under the impression that germany came out stand as an independent economic power. with that assumption i don't see german bailout as any different as putin buying the place. with bailout the power lines are all obscured, because the purchase is done within an existing political framework so is not blatant. 1208720;1437492763;phf;putin be like "oh, so we're buying this shit? i got caash." and germany is like "no no, sshh, we're HELPING, mommy knows best, shoo" 1208721;1437493008;pete_dushenski;the latest 'bailout conditions' do seem to indicate that greece's public amenities are being turned over to private/eu concerns. 1208722;1437493033;pete_dushenski;sorta first-come-first-serve in that sense, and germany beat russia to the punch 1208723;1437493167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00056531 = 3.1375 BTC [+] 1208724;1437493350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00055645 = 8.625 BTC [-] {2} 1208725;1437494091;mircea_popescu;"The formula for inertia is p=mv where p is inertia, m is mass and v is velocity." ahaha where did they find this fuckwit 1208726;1437494113;mircea_popescu;"let's call things thing because it's the internet of things and conviction's more important than a clue!" 1208727;1437494204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00054545 = 14.8908 BTC [-] {2} 1208728;1437494278;pete_dushenski;"“Given our focus on Falcon 9, we’ve de-prioritized Falcon Heavy to probably launch in the spring next year, maybe April or so,” SpaceX chief executive Elon Musk told reporters Monday." 1208729;1437494288;pete_dushenski;such competence, these crown corp derps. 1208730;1437494289;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208629 << eh don't be ridiculous. "italy" is a modern construct, much like greece, and from the same period. prior to that construct, which was supposed to reboot the shitland, italy and greece did exactly the same. ask charles of france how the whores of venice went like. 1208731;1437494289;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 14:25:35; pete_dushenski: greece has been at this game since plato, neh ? 1208732;1437494303;mircea_popescu;ask the barbarians who can fuck more soldiers than a roman matron 1208733;1437494303;mircea_popescu;etc 1208734;1437494377;mircea_popescu;for the record : p is impulse. the definition of inertia is m = F/a, where m is inertia[l mass]. 1208735;1437494413;pete_dushenski;not saying 'italy' isn't a modern construct, more that what lies within its currently defined borders just so happens, perhaps by chance, perhaps not, to include more valuable 'parts' than greece does. 1208736;1437494424;mircea_popescu;as "opposed" i guess to energetic mass, m = 2W/v^2 1208737;1437494445;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski this may reflect your own mind more than the ground. 1208738;1437494463;pete_dushenski;that can hardly be ruled out. 1208739;1437494470;pete_dushenski;now, as ever. 1208740;1437494497;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: do you dispute the point then ? 1208741;1437494534;mircea_popescu;yes. no difference in leechdom between italy and greece. they're exactly the same sort of zoo park. ex civilisaiton, plox baksheesh that's visible at giza 1208742;1437494570;decimation;I would wager that nearly all products you think of as 'coming from italy' are made north of florence 1208743;1437494572;mircea_popescu;and the short, brown, dumbass current inhabitants have as much to do with the slender, white, original builders of the monuments as your egyptian arabs have to do with the egyptians. 1208744;1437494586;mircea_popescu;go to the museum, look at the statues, then look at the people milling around them. 1208745;1437494589;mircea_popescu;!up chema 1208746;1437494610;pete_dushenski;sure, pharoah's nose isn't mubarak's nose. 1208747;1437494624;decimation;Senegalese selling fake shit? 1208748;1437494672;mircea_popescu;lol 1208749;1437494701;pete_dushenski;decimation: then that's the part, north of florence, worth the bother ! 1208750;1437494715;mircea_popescu;ie germany 1208751;1437494724;decimation;^ yeah more or less 1208752;1437494733;decimation;north of verona most people speak german 1208753;1437494734;pete_dushenski;hm. yes. 1208754;1437494735;mircea_popescu;saxony, w/e. if you're into it. 1208755;1437494800;decimation;suedtirol was under active insurgancy only a few years ago 1208756;1437494897;decimation;http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/may/30/south-tyrol-live-in-italy-feel-austrian "Klotz says: "There are acts of racism each single day. Despite Italian and German both being official languages, I often bump into police officers who don't know German. They point at the Italian flag stitched on their uniform and require I speak Italian simply because we're in Italy. They don't even know that I have the right to speak in ... 1208757;1437494898;assbot;The South Tyrol identity crisis: to live in Italy, but feel Austrian | Education | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jez4o7 ) 1208758;1437494903;decimation;... my mother tongue so I show them this card. It drives me mad. I call this linguistic imperialism." 1208759;1437494996;decimation;why do they get to have their 'own identity'? > "Bolzano has Italy's highest GDP per capita, according to figures from Italy's National Statistics Office. Locals move around on bikes even when it rains and are proud of showing-off to the world Ötzi the Iceman, a mummy found in the glaciers close to Austria." 1208760;1437495241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6952 @ 0.00054509 = 3.7895 BTC [-] 1208761;1437495453;mircea_popescu;Of course, this took a terrible toll on society. Here is what Putin had to say on the subject of red terror: Think of the hostages who were shot during the civil war, the destruction of entire social stratathe clergy, the prosperous peasants, the Cossacks. Such tragedies have recurred more than once during the history of mankind. And it always happened when initially attractive but ultimately empty ideals w 1208762;1437495453;mircea_popescu;ere raised above the main valuethe value of human life, above the rights and liberties of man. For our country this is especially tragic, because the scale was colossal. Thousands, millions of people were destroyed, sent to concentration camps, shot, tortured to death. And these were primarily people who had their own opinions, who weren't afraid to voice them. These were the most effective peoplethe flower of th 1208763;1437495454;mircea_popescu;e nation. Even after many years we feel the effect of this tragedy on ourselves. We must do a great deal to make sure that this is never forgotten. 1208764;1437495457;mircea_popescu;Given that the price is so high, perhaps it would be better after all if we just sat quietly, allowed the rich get richer as the poor get poorer, watched listlessly as the environment got completely destroyed by capitalist industrialists in blind pursuit of profit, and eventually curled up, kissed our sweet asses good-bye and died? 1208765;1437495475;mircea_popescu;somehow orlov doesn't feel compelled to go "check out schmuckin, going over to the euro tune of human rights" 1208766;1437495496;mircea_popescu;not because it wouldn't be consistent with the piece so far, and with his verbiage so far. but why then ? 1208767;1437495533;mircea_popescu;fucking russian inferiority complex. "oh, europe is doing something stupid ? we will do THE SAME STUPID THING IN OUR OWN WAY!!11" 1208768;1437495547;mircea_popescu;let's make a russian union run by russian bureaucrats with the capital at ruxelles! 1208769;1437495851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13184 @ 0.00056545 = 7.4549 BTC [+] {2} 1208770;1437495917;pete_dushenski;why not bruxelles ? hard to beat the chocolate there. 1208771;1437495974;mircea_popescu;quite the question. 1208772;1437495988;mircea_popescu;from what i hear putin's been asked this a lot by the various oligarchs 1208773;1437496045;mircea_popescu;"2. Start printing Euros without authorization from the European Central bank. When accused of forgery, make the forgery harder to detect by changing the letter at the front of the serial number from Y (for Greece) to X (for Germany)." << ahaha gawd. 1208774;1437496050;mircea_popescu;dude has nfi how shit works does he. 1208775;1437496064;mircea_popescu;"o herp, we are flooding europe with fake euros. can you break a 500 ???" 1208776;1437496125;mircea_popescu;somehow the "i am not a revolutionary, here are my opinions on how that works" does not give him any pause whatsoever. "i'm a virgin, here's some songs about fucking i wrote". because why ? 1208777;1437496139;mircea_popescu;rotten fucking pseudo-civilisation of nothing. let's commentate commentary! 1208778;1437496259;pete_dushenski;lol. y'know, just in case any actual revolutionaries are reading orlov and needing fatherly advice from someone with no skin in the game. 1208779;1437496272;mats;https://github.com/mongodb/mongo-java-driver/blob/1d2e6faa80aeb5287a26d0348f18f4b51d566759/src/main/com/mongodb/ConnectionStatus.java#L213 1208780;1437496274;assbot;mongo-java-driver/ConnectionStatus.java at 1d2e6faa80aeb5287a26d0348f18f4b51d566759 · mongodb/mongo-java-driver · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JuVzAY ) 1208781;1437496293;pete_dushenski;because being raised by charlatanic economists and the like have trained idjits to seek advice from tards with 'no conflicts of interest' 1208782;1437496296;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i know, right ?! 1208783;1437496321;mircea_popescu;that's EXACTLY what actual revolutionaries are thinking right now. "i wonder if there's some schmuck on a google blog with opinions. let me check!" 1208784;1437496346;pete_dushenski;"oh, you think i should buy $goog even though you wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole ? ok !" 1208785;1437496373;mircea_popescu;mats what am i looking at ? 1208786;1437496392;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, how comes the commodity ticker widget, kakobrekla ? 1208787;1437496421;mircea_popescu;1 in 10 failures don't get reported ? 1208788;1437496537;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208662 << this is to me personally the most interesting point. 1208789;1437496537;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 14:39:00; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you think 'hungry people work' - let me guess - because your grandfather was hungry, and worked. today's 'hungry' will not work. not while they have option of eating you and i 1208790;1437496565;mircea_popescu;i know from directly verified experimental fact that properly chained and beaten they DO work. the spark to work and be smart and everything's not lost. 1208791;1437496587;mircea_popescu;now, will large herds of worthless schmucks be turnable into an actual population ? i grant it seems dubious. 1208792;1437496596;mircea_popescu;and who's gonna bother with training them individually. 1208793;1437496612;mircea_popescu;but then again - shoot all the males, keep the females under 20ish that suck it enthusiastically has always been the procedure 1208794;1437496616;mircea_popescu;perhaps for a very good reason. 1208795;1437496683;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208669 << by this logic turkey exceeds italy and greece combined 1208796;1437496683;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 14:46:29; pete_dushenski: at the same time, i can see why a -person- would bother with italy : architecture, stronger remnants of culture, art, (albeit modest) production capability, some measure of refinement here and there. 1208797;1437496690;mats;mircea_popescu: a technique for preventing resource exhaustion in a weird place 1208798;1437496692;mircea_popescu;(yes, most of the ruins of roman antiquity are in turkey, not europe) 1208799;1437496763;pete_dushenski;and there's no shortage of production capability in turkey atm. 1208800;1437496796;pete_dushenski;too bad germany let the istanbul slip through their fingers a decade ago. 1208801;1437496899;Adlai;holy textwall 1208802;1437497210;phf;berzin managed to succeed where multiple generation of tzar bureaucrats failed developing natural resource on the kolyma peninsula by taking a scientific approach to the whole idea of "hungry people work" 1208803;1437497943;pete_dushenski;"Apple Inc said it is experiencing some issues with its App Store, Apple Music, iTunes Store and some other services. The company did not provide details but said only some users were affected." << qntra not alone. 1208804;1437498323;mod6;!up ascii_field 1208805;1437498397;mod6;so last 24 hours or so I've been working on getting an automated testing framework setup for this forthcoming release. I've got one scenario working (simple one). Here's what it kinda looks like - although this isn't the entire code, there is a module I left out for now. http://dpaste.com/32GZH0A.txt 1208806;1437498398;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1g255V4 ) 1208807;1437498464;mod6;With some effort up front I might be able to automate the ~20 or so scenarios that i've sketched out for the release. Could save all of us a lot of time by installing/emerging a few things on gentoo and then just running these tests instead of having to do all the testing manually. 1208808;1437498475;mod6;We'll see where it goes and if I run into too many problems. 1208809;1437498525;mod6;But as far as cucumber, even if I have issues with the steps (so far it's been very easy), if I write out the scenarios in the feature, it should be a decent testing guide in itself. 1208810;1437498555;mod6;Of course, there will actually be a separate, more formal testing guide that I'll create also. 1208811;1437498658;mod6;Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol. 1208812;1437498806;mod6;When I do get around to drafting up all of the scenarios, I'll put that in here as well, maybe you guys can think of other tests that I hvaen't thought of yet. Or edge cases. etc. 1208813;1437498901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00054509 = 11.7194 BTC [-] 1208814;1437499504;ascii_field;so tx spam is back. 1208815;1437499579;ascii_field;aaaand 1208816;1437499594;ascii_field;the 'let's make the backbone lose bitcoin packetz' thing is also back 1208817;1437499600;ascii_field;currently targeting my new node 1208818;1437499618;ascii_field;(or rather, to be more specific, appears to be active on the corner of the net where the latte resides) 1208819;1437499628;ascii_field;same deal as was tested on mircea_popescu's node last month 1208820;1437499634;ascii_field;socket lays open, but silent 1208821;1437499644;ascii_field;eventually peers mark node as 'misbehaving' and killfile it 1208822;1437499658;ascii_field;*the latter 1208823;1437499683;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208802 << ahahaha yes 1208824;1437499683;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 16:46:50; phf: berzin managed to succeed where multiple generation of tzar bureaucrats failed developing natural resource on the kolyma peninsula by taking a scientific approach to the whole idea of "hungry people work" 1208825;1437499686;ascii_field;!s butugychag 1208826;1437499687;assbot;23 results for 'butugychag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=butugychag 1208827;1437499724;ascii_field;!s судьбы моей рычаг 1208828;1437499724;assbot;0 results for 'судьбы моей рычаг' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%8C%D0%B1%D1%8B+%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B9+%D1%80%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%B3 1208829;1437499734;ascii_field;damn 1208830;1437499880;ascii_field;disconnecting node 147.87.116.160:42162 socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 1208831;1437499884;ascii_field;etc, etc 1208832;1437499934;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208779 << epic 1208833;1437499934;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 16:31:12; mats: https://github.com/mongodb/mongo-java-driver/blob/1d2e6faa80aeb5287a26d0348f18f4b51d566759/src/main/com/mongodb/ConnectionStatus.java#L213 1208834;1437499938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21196 @ 0.00056682 = 12.0143 BTC [+] 1208835;1437500064;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208696 << mircea_popescu has a post about just this! 1208836;1437500064;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 15:03:08; phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization" 1208837;1437500077;ascii_field;phf: http://trilema.com/2015/the-situation-of-greece 1208838;1437500078;assbot;The situation of Greece on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kj5xrS ) 1208839;1437500265;phf;!up ascii_field 1208840;1437500295;phf;re situation of greece, i think i missed that one somehow 1208841;1437500300;phf;thanks 1208842;1437500731;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLERL4_SveI 1208843;1437500732;assbot;News 8 at 6pm - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g2b10m ) 1208844;1437500812;phf;https://vimeo.com/25479104 has some shots of butugychag around 24:05, though the whole documentary is interesting, done by a shalamov fan in early 90s 1208845;1437500813;assbot;Колымская командировка on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1g2bgbH ) 1208846;1437500911;ascii_field;i think i saw this, aha 1208847;1437501199;mod6;ascii_field: what's your best block height? 1208848;1437501206;ascii_field;where? 1208849;1437501221;mod6;your node that you were speaking about ^ 1208850;1437501238;ascii_field;365587 - three blocks away from where it was turned on 1208851;1437501249;ascii_field;(after loading chain externally) 1208852;1437501250;mod6;oh 1208853;1437501259;ascii_field;it gets thousands of these 'silent' connection attempts 1208854;1437501314;ascii_field;every hour or two - manages to snarf a block, yes 1208855;1437501352;mod6;but not enough to keep up then obv. 1208856;1437501356;ascii_field;aha 1208857;1437501372;ascii_field;once in a while, even gets tx 1208858;1437501377;ascii_field;for a minute or two at a stretch 1208859;1437501387;ascii_field;then falls back into these 'socket closed' 1208860;1437501394;ascii_field;open/close, open/close 1208861;1437501422;ascii_field;the bitcoind AND the os are bitwise-identical to those of another node presently running happily. 1208862;1437502182;mod6;!up ascii_field 1208863;1437502317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00054479 = 2.7784 BTC [-] {2} 1208864;1437502378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17930 @ 0.0005447 = 9.7665 BTC [-] 1208865;1437502681;fluffypony;http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/07/21/5000-naked-anti-gay-protesters-to-greet-President-Obama-in-Kenya/9511437473622/ 1208866;1437502684;fluffypony;lol 1208867;1437502744;thestringpuller;~> 1208868;1437503172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11170 @ 0.00056845 = 6.3496 BTC [+] {2} 1208869;1437503497;ben_vulpes;in other news, my stator has caught up with the net at large 1208870;1437503508;ascii_field;congrats ben_vulpes! 1208871;1437503519;ben_vulpes; "blocks" : 366328, 1208872;1437503519;mod6;yay! 1208873;1437503524;trinque;anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? 1208874;1437503530;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo has 1208875;1437503532;trinque;I noticed it was forked from the version of openssl in use 1208876;1437503539;ben_vulpes;that's next on my list 1208877;1437503551;trinque;neat, I tried too, ran into some issue, but was going to try again 1208878;1437503557;trinque;so I'll continue on fiddling with it 1208879;1437503570;ascii_field;in quite other news, i found a simple and software-only means of reading and writing the nand fw of 'miracast' 1208880;1437503576;ascii_field;doesn't even need the cable 1208881;1437503660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00056976 = 1.9942 BTC [+] 1208882;1437503809;solrodar;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206079 << I was using the OS package from Ubuntu 14.02, which is boost version 1.54 1208883;1437503809;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 00:40:38; ben_vulpes: boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger 1208884;1437504107;solrodar;as well as generating the call graph, I was able to actually build bitcoind against that version, though I didn't test it 1208885;1437505002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00054166 = 23.6164 BTC [-] {2} 1208886;1437505383;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1208887;1437505388;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000126.html 1208888;1437505389;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Pogoization of 'Miracast' ... ( http://bit.ly/1CO8q4r ) 1208889;1437505801;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208689 << he's getting a lot better at this isn't he. 1208890;1437505801;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 15:01:01; asciilifeform: 'you totalled it' 1208891;1437505884;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208693 <<-->> http://trilema.com/2014/the-logical-impossibility-and-the-moral-untenability-of-forgiveness/ 1208892;1437505884;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 15:02:22; phf: pete_dushenski: i'm not in a position to save any one country. if i were putin, i'd buy greece, move greeks off some of the islands, and recreate greek drama with imported nubile slavs, but 1208893;1437505885;assbot;The logical impossibility, and the moral untenability, of forgiveness on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CO9OE6 ) 1208894;1437505887;mircea_popescu;works out. 1208895;1437506012;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208696 <<-->> http://trilema.com/2015/the-situation-of-greece/#selection-31.119-31.232 1208896;1437506012;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 15:03:08; phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization" 1208897;1437506013;assbot;The situation of Greece on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COaidh ) 1208898;1437506048;mircea_popescu;clearly, the sect is working. 1208899;1437506224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208811 << i am looking forward to the fallout from this :D 1208900;1437506224;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 17:10:58; mod6: Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol. 1208901;1437506267;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208830 << so now you get to see the other end of it, for your records. 1208902;1437506267;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 17:31:20; ascii_field: disconnecting node 147.87.116.160:42162 socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 1208903;1437506283;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: both ends look quite alike 1208904;1437506290;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1208905;1437506301;mircea_popescu;im sure it's all just a coincidence. 1208906;1437506303;ascii_field;socket opens, but packets drown in the bermuda triangle 1208907;1437506322;mircea_popescu;it often happens for very complex systems to behave in highly consistent ways with a clearly identifiable beneficiary all by themselves. 1208908;1437506339;mircea_popescu;this is how the us budget is constructed, at any rate. 1208909;1437506355;ascii_field;i warned that the buggerz will do exactly this 1208910;1437506361;ascii_field;yearz ago 1208911;1437506389;mircea_popescu;yeah. but warning there's gonna be an eclypse is not quite the same as watching the eclypse over a beer, out on a terrace. 1208912;1437506394;mircea_popescu;wave at the public, 1208913;1437506396;ascii_field;aha. 1208914;1437506397;*;mircea_popescu waves at the public 1208915;1437506406;mircea_popescu;hello public. look at all the things that aren't happening! 1208916;1437506425;mircea_popescu;and also have perfectly simple and so forth explanations and etc. 1208917;1437506510;mircea_popescu;phf where you from anyway ? 1208918;1437506556;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208865 << shit i had no idea kenyans wore clothes ?! 1208919;1437506556;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 18:18:01; fluffypony: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/07/21/5000-naked-anti-gay-protesters-to-greet-President-Obama-in-Kenya/9511437473622/ 1208920;1437506567;fluffypony;lol 1208921;1437506589;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f65e5d2baebac5a56b3113326dd85795/tumblr_n3e4zvTJtm1sqs58ao1_1280.jpg 1208922;1437506591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CObOMA ) 1208923;1437507052;phf;mircea_popescu: moscow 1208924;1437507107;mircea_popescu;o hey. living there ? 1208925;1437507382;phf;no, not anymore, not for a while actually, but not as long as ascii seems like. i live in philadelphia and about 1/3 of time in dc 1208926;1437507741;thestringpuller;!up assbot 1208927;1437507744;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1208928;1437507882;trinque;ben_vulpes: you guys going to oscon? 1208929;1437507968;kakobrekla;some aficionado http://www.righto.com/2015/05/bitcoin-mining-on-55-year-old-ibm-1401.html 1208930;1437507968;assbot;Bitcoin mining on a 55 year old IBM 1401 mainframe: 80 seconds per hash ... ( http://bit.ly/1COfjTm ) 1208931;1437507997;ascii_field;kakobrekla: iirc it is in the log 1208932;1437508006;kakobrekla;!s http://www.righto.com/2015/05/bitcoin-mining-on-55-year-old-ibm-1401.html 1208933;1437508007;assbot;Bitcoin mining on a 55 year old IBM 1401 mainframe: 80 seconds per hash ... ( http://bit.ly/1COfjTm ) 1208934;1437508008;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.righto.com/2015/05/bitcoin-mining-on-55-year-old-ibm-1401.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.righto.com%2F2015%2F05%2Fbitcoin-mining-on-55-year-old-ibm-1401.html 1208935;1437508043;kakobrekla;dunno 1208936;1437508055;kakobrekla;undo then 1208937;1437508058;phf;my moscow is gone anyway, 90ые are over, so it's all aparatchiks tightening the screws. and i don't know anyone "on the pipeline" 1208938;1437508428;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3fsSL4Bw9w&t=0m15s 1208939;1437508429;assbot;Nabokov and the moment of truth - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1COgDFP ) 1208940;1437509272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00055488 = 11.2363 BTC [+] {2} 1208941;1437511095;BingoBoingo; so i wanted to know what supports this hypothesis << Generally before crushing trash car's is held for some time and parts sold to mechanics who then sell to their customers for half price of "new" stock 1208942;1437511504;BingoBoingo; anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually 1208943;1437511517;trinque;cool. 1208944;1437511767;BingoBoingo;Turns out it only takes about 5 hours on this machine with a puny mobile processor to compile Kernel, Userland, and Xenocara in order to upgrade from release to -stable as well 1208945;1437511813;trinque;not bad; I continue to see parallels between gentoo and openbsd usage patterns 1208946;1437511869;*;trinque tries a tcpkill on deedbot's irc 1208947;1437511888;BingoBoingo;processor is amd e350 so takes ~25-33% CPU utilization around the clock just keeping up with Bitcoin when sync'd 1208948;1437512061;trinque;hm, so why would this thing still think it's connected on the other end? 1208949;1437512175;trinque;ah there we go 1208950;1437512210;trinque;unix has its warts, but the things you can cobble together with the pipe... 1208951;1437512247;trinque;one more try, then I'll call it good 1208952;1437513220;hanbot;BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission: http://dpaste.com/2T9SCHJ 1208953;1437513221;assbot;dpaste: 2T9SCHJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1COr0JH ) 1208954;1437513251;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1208955;1437513260;ascii_field;qntra points to a very quick-loading 404 now 1208956;1437513288;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Looks good 1208957;1437513309;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu Can we get that window to post and archive soon? 1208958;1437513309;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1208959;1437513347;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu can haz a pcap dump of the ddos packets plz ? 1208960;1437513347;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1208961;1437513766;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.phylomemetic-tree.de/spackeria/daily/%23spackeria.03-24.log << http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B412BD191BF10DAB6AAB6A8779A3F08D31AC5E3FB748DDBFB1DB18CDF05B6BEF 1208962;1437513767;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fk5PnN ) 1208963;1437513773;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1fk5PEb ) 1208964;1437513773;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1208965;1437513894;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.whoismind.com/email/bXM-schmidt-system.de.html << >> http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B3A2E526E50140EE75C270884290DB8270F202BA7E2382F7F20D735D62E0104E 1208966;1437513895;assbot;ms@schmidt-system.de - Email Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1COs5kM ) 1208967;1437513898;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1COs6VL ) 1208968;1437513898;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1208969;1437514025;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/cyco << >> http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C214323FE8F5A745404185908E2CFAB4D18087093B71CDBC40C01FA883C060D4 1208970;1437514026;assbot;cyco (Christoph Leimbrock) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1COsm79 ) 1208971;1437514032;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1COsmnO ) 1208972;1437514032;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1208973;1437514040;ascii_field;^^^ anyone who has time to carry on in this pattern, is encouraged. 1208974;1437515108;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1208975;1437515755;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 1208976;1437518156;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKdtsfaUwAA1V6_.jpg << reddit meet-up 1208977;1437518157;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CU5WBh ) 1208978;1437518546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39627 @ 0.00056343 = 22.327 BTC [+] {5} 1208979;1437519913;cazalla;danielpbarron, here's a better shot http://i.imgur.com/Ob7rq.jpg 1208980;1437519914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAlchJ ) 1208981;1437520058;mats;lol 1208982;1437520106;decimation;asciilifeform: did you already have those datasheets I linked last night? 1208983;1437520171;decimation;also some amusing reading: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/coroutines.html " One of the particular problems that often comes up is this: if you have a piece of code producing data, and another piece of code consuming it, which should be the caller and which should be the callee? ... In The Art of Computer Programming, Donald Knuth presents a solution to this sort of problem. His answer is to throw away the stack ... 1208984;1437520171;assbot;Coroutines in C ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAlYLE ) 1208985;1437520176;decimation;... concept completely. Stop thinking of one process as the caller and the other as the callee, and start thinking of them as cooperating equals. ... This is very nice in theory, but in practice you can only do it in assembly language, because no commonly used high level language supports the coroutine call primitive. Languages like C depend utterly on their stack-based structure, so whenever control passes from any function to ... 1208986;1437520182;decimation;... any other, one must be the caller and the other must be the callee. So if you want to write portable code, this technique is at least as impractical as the Unix pipe solution. " 1208987;1437520242;decimation;in other words, the bedrock is shaping 'what is possible' 1208988;1437521115;Adlai;bedrock my ass, the bedrock is assembly language on a 2(or more)-core system... what shapes possibilities is the crappy foundation sunk into the quicksand sludge on top of the rock 1208989;1437521160;Adlai;gradually modern "languages" (glorified syntax processors) are waking up to the reality recognized decades ago 1208990;1437521191;Adlai;doesn't mean that reality didn't exist in the terim 1208991;1437521555;mircea_popescu;werd. 1208992;1437522101;trinque;maybe I'm an idiot, but you can do coroutine patterns in many high level languages 1208993;1437522115;trinque;perhaps not as efficiently as someone thinking about hardware wants 1208994;1437522421;trinque;http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4411 1208995;1437522422;assbot;Delimited continuations for C/C++ | Lambda the Ultimate ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrQ9N9 ) 1208996;1437522443;trinque;actually that one uses asm 1208997;1437522579;trinque;https://code.google.com/p/libconcurrency << uses jmp and stack-fiddling magic, doesn't appear to have any asm 1208998;1437522580;assbot;libconcurrency - A scalable concurrency library for C - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrQteI ) 1208999;1437523252;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/07/alm-ceo-cries-terrorism-after-ashley-madison-hack/ and DDos This https://archive.is/i7XvH << hanbot 1209000;1437523253;assbot;ALM CEO Cries 'Terrorism' after Ashley Madison Hack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrRxPE ) 1209001;1437523254;assbot;ALM CEO Cries 'Terrorism' after Ashley Madison Hack | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrRzqQ ) 1209002;1437523262;trinque;isn't this sort of like saying common lisp is impossible, after all, the machine only implements syslisp? 1209003;1437523320;trinque;this being "the bedrock is shaping..." 1209004;1437523320;scoopbot_revived;ALM CEO Cries 'Terrorism' after Ashley Madison Hack http://qntra.net/2015/07/alm-ceo-cries-terrorism-after-ashley-madison-hack/ 1209005;1437523447;scoopbot_revived;Trial For Alleged Ricin Importer Begins http://qntra.net/2015/07/trial-for-alleged-ricin-importer-begins/ 1209006;1437523547;hanbot;ah BingoBoingo, didn't catch your earlier piece. think mine needs a redundancy edit? 1209007;1437523583;BingoBoingo;hanbot: I gave it the redundancy edit by linking the earlier piece 1209008;1437523620;hanbot;cool deal. 1209009;1437523643;trinque;terrorism... 1209010;1437523653;trinque;you know that Bin Laden guy really hit it outta the park. 1209011;1437523665;BingoBoingo;The ashley madison thing is big, you wrote a better story. My quick piece was just to get something in as soon as possible considering our... uptime issues. 1209012;1437523771;trinque;I begin to see how there's a runaway social process here. 1209013;1437523780;hanbot;and wd on that front BingoBoingo! 1209014;1437523807;BingoBoingo;thanks 1209015;1437523914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14498 @ 0.00055177 = 7.9996 BTC [-] 1209016;1437523924;hanbot;trinque what's that, ostrichprocess? 1209017;1437524128;trinque;hanbot: some interaction between the subconscious effect of even having a vast american govt at all... 1209018;1437524137;trinque;everyone here knows on some level they could kick the door in at any moment 1209019;1437524158;trinque;the things people joke about show that 1209020;1437524278;trinque;the attack created the atmosphere of "something must be done" 1209021;1437524280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.00055056 = 4.5707 BTC [-] 1209022;1437524305;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208811 << i am looking forward to the fallout from this :D << heheh. well, with any luck it might help us this time around. my hope is that some python hero will pick up the torch and take this thing forward next time around. 1209023;1437524305;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 17:10:58; mod6: Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol. 1209024;1437524320;nubbins`;for those of you who are interested in such things: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128004.0 1209025;1437524322;assbot;CASASCIUS COMBO AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrTo79 ) 1209026;1437524382;trinque;and the precariousness of baseless narcissism, being that it could be knocked over by reality at any moment 1209027;1437524415;trinque;you have a situation where everything generates more fear, and so long as people believe the govts role is to remove anything feared, it'll proceed further in the same direction 1209028;1437524459;trinque;I expect a general concept of "being terrorised" to develop which is some descendent of being "triggered" and so on 1209029;1437524565;hanbot;indeed. 1209030;1437524599;trinque;all that to say we were hit right in the heel 1209031;1437524632;trinque;there was no chance the whole thing wouldn't be caught by every camera in miles 1209032;1437524639;trinque;the thing's indelliby there, forever 1209033;1437524714;hanbot;and ofc, "nobody could have foreseen" 1209034;1437524741;trinque;mhm 1209035;1437524783;trinque;and since "this *doesn't* happen to america" and it can never be forgotten, we will pick at the wound until it kills us 1209036;1437524803;BingoBoingo;Triggered https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/21/d82584f2695873b143b7f56ccf26e656.jpg 1209037;1437524805;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrUkZd ) 1209038;1437524840;trinque;that's just cause the food never makes it to the table 1209039;1437524846;BingoBoingo;More triggered https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/21/395e55a4ba1859a676fb401e6dc9e5d9.jpg 1209040;1437524848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrUqjD ) 1209041;1437524890;cazalla;sheeit, published my non-spell checked version 1209042;1437524927;BingoBoingo;Maximally triggered https://i.imgur.com/fVzsFLt.jpg 1209043;1437524927;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrUDTN ) 1209044;1437524941;cazalla;BingoBoingo, why ya got all these links to such images? 1209045;1437524954;trinque;woah dude 1209046;1437524958;trinque;woah 1209047;1437524978;BingoBoingo;Why did they have to burn crosses? 1209048;1437524995;hanbot;BingoBoingo isn't it...disadvantageous to be triggerable by something so...abundant? i bet people sensitive to anorexics have a much easier time 1209049;1437525019;BingoBoingo;It is, but one has to keep the hateorade full somehow. 1209050;1437525032;trinque;oh, I just go for a walk for that 1209051;1437525075;hanbot;ditto 1209052;1437525196;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that fella must've run off from a circus ? 1209053;1437525226;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'bermuda triangle of packets' carries on 1209054;1437525242;asciilifeform;accepted connection 82.130.102.173:38621 1209055;1437525242;asciilifeform;accepted connection 129.13.252.36:52829 1209056;1437525242;asciilifeform;socket closed 1209057;1437525242;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 82.130.102.173:38621 1209058;1437525242;asciilifeform;accepted connection 148.251.238.178:43407 1209059;1437525243;scoopbot_revived;Silk Road Heroin Dealer Receives 2-1/2 Years Prison Sentence http://qntra.net/2015/07/silk-road-heroin-dealer-receives-2-12-years-prison-sentence/ 1209060;1437525243;asciilifeform;socket closed 1209061;1437525245;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm not so sure. Perhaps Walmart was closed or had no scooty puffs for him to ride? 1209062;1437525245;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 148.251.238.178:43407 1209063;1437525247;asciilifeform;socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 1209064;1437525249;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 129.13.252.36:52829 1209065;1437525251;asciilifeform;etc 1209066;1437525286;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2015/07/trial-for-alleged-ricin-importer-begins >>><<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044 1209067;1437525288;assbot;Trial For Alleged Ricin Importer Begins | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrVgwH ) 1209068;1437525288;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2014 22:27:18; asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now. 1209069;1437525320;trinque;next innovation is constructing both sides! 1209070;1437525325;trinque;what will they think of next 1209071;1437525328;asciilifeform;trinque: 'the man who was thursday' 1209072;1437525332;asciilifeform;chesterton already thought of it! 1209073;1437525355;*;trinque puts it in the queue 1209074;1437525377;asciilifeform;so... 1209075;1437525382;asciilifeform;this was not the plan, but... 1209076;1437525390;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: 1209077;1437525398;asciilifeform;gentlemen, please welcome 'incitatus': 64.85.171.71:8333 1209078;1437525404;asciilifeform;a very sad therealbitcoin node 1209079;1437525414;asciilifeform;which isn't synced and doesn't threaten to any time soon 1209080;1437525431;asciilifeform;because of - apparently - usg diddling the pipes. 1209081;1437525452;asciilifeform;go ahead, try to connect. 1209082;1437525463;asciilifeform;height=365788 1209083;1437525536;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/1AN13QZ.txt << last n lines of log 1209084;1437525537;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrVG69 ) 1209085;1437525550;phf;hehe, sorry. 1209086;1437525561;asciilifeform;this has been going on, punctuated with occasional bursts of activity, since it was switched on this morning. 1209087;1437525603;asciilifeform;it was build ~deliberately~ bitwise-identical to a properly-functioning node hosted elsewhere. 1209088;1437525614;asciilifeform;there can be ~NO~ fucking question of misconfiguration 1209089;1437525646;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-07-2015#1206896 <<<<< guess what. it has. 1209090;1437525646;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 00:44:24; mircea_popescu: you seriously proposing the internet just goes away ? 1209091;1437525672;phf;asciilifeform: well, that last burst is me netcat'ing you repeatedly 1209092;1437525702;asciilifeform;phf: don't hesitate. 1209093;1437525713;asciilifeform;also, anyone who has the time, try a packet capture 1209094;1437525728;asciilifeform;when this was happening to mircea_popescu's node, all i found was sockets opening and then standing entirely still 1209095;1437525736;asciilifeform;as if no one were bothering to transmit 1209096;1437525754;asciilifeform;if this is a 'cosmic ray', then i fart monkeys. 1209097;1437525780;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Node reports a starting height of -1 1209098;1437525789;asciilifeform;waiwat 1209099;1437525800;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you got packets ?! 1209100;1437525813;asciilifeform;please post pcap !! 1209101;1437525819;asciilifeform;esp. of this '-1' business. 1209102;1437525836;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/0N2JC68.txt No packets, just the peer info. 1209103;1437525837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrW4Sg ) 1209104;1437525862;asciilifeform;need the packetz 1209105;1437525875;asciilifeform;otherwise this could easily be the peculiar behaviour of BingoBoingo's phoundation node 1209106;1437525887;asciilifeform;(perhaps it assigns -1 to nodes which did not answer pings.) 1209107;1437525891;phf;must be <--> this many hops away from fort meade to ride 1209108;1437525899;*;asciilifeform cannot be bothered to read any more phoundation code 1209109;1437525935;BingoBoingo;Peerinfo for two s.nsa nodes for comparison http://dpaste.com/2SR9H1M.txt 1209110;1437525936;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrWesF ) 1209111;1437525945;asciilifeform;phf: this particular box is hosted in northeast usa 1209112;1437525985;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: one of those is incitatus 1209113;1437526004;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you probably wanted 'zoolag,' 96.241.120.166:8333 1209114;1437526042;BingoBoingo;Oh no I just addnode'd incitatus 1209115;1437526064;asciilifeform;anyway if this carries on, i will be cancelling my contract with that hoster 1209116;1437526068;asciilifeform;(after ~6 years!) 1209117;1437526114;asciilifeform;could just as easily be an upstream thing 1209118;1437526130;phf;could be your hoster doesn't like bitcoind nodes 1209119;1437526133;asciilifeform;no reason for a threadbare american hoster to be in on the mega-secret 1209120;1437526161;asciilifeform;phf: they never cared re: bittorrent 1209121;1437526163;trinque;I'm reminded of comcast telling me yesterday that "that port 25, that's not yours" 1209122;1437526163;BingoBoingo;Node I'm connecting with identifies as protocol version 99992 1209123;1437526166;asciilifeform;or 1,001 other bandwidth hogs 1209124;1437526177;BingoBoingo;Is this corenetworks? 1209125;1437526180;asciilifeform;clearly-enumerated byte limit in the contract, but otherwise open-eneded 1209126;1437526182;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha 1209127;1437526204;BingoBoingo;I remember you mentioning earlier as source of cheapboxes 1209128;1437526262;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/1116A5J.txt << moar 1209129;1437526263;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGQqc7 ) 1209130;1437526372;BingoBoingo;;;later tell danielpbarron pete_dushenski http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-octeon_dsr500.pdf 1209131;1437526374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGQCYZ ) 1209132;1437526374;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1209133;1437526433;asciilifeform;and in case anyone has forgotten, this is not a problem limited to goatfuckistans like usa, but appears to exist in backbone 1209134;1437526468;asciilifeform;the days of plaintext packets sailing around the world unmolested are not merely numbered - but long gone. 1209135;1437526473;danielpbarron;nice, BingoBoingo 1209136;1437526476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00055933 = 17.7867 BTC [+] {2} 1209137;1437526479;*;asciilifeform bbl 1209138;1437527154;mod6;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2YKPPYY.txt 1209139;1437527155;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrXT1z ) 1209140;1437527218;trinque;mod6: what does that "lasttry" indicate? 1209141;1437527227;trinque;well that and seen 1209142;1437527237;trinque;clock not set? 1209143;1437527404;mod6;clock is < 1 minute off 1209144;1437527426;mod6;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#0636 1209145;1437527427;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGST6m ) 1209146;1437527442;trinque;mod6: what about his clock? 1209147;1437527464;mod6;*shrug* 1209148;1437527484;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, confirm that on ur one node i'm wedged at 365441 1209149;1437527496;mod6;or at least have been all dayt. 1209150;1437527532;mod6;my other instance is connected to the same node, and still syncing, but much further down the chain: height=215394 1209151;1437527540;mod6;that one has been crawling for days. 1209152;1437527545;mod6;but still chugging. 1209153;1437527547;mod6;so it's ok 1209154;1437527696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95899 @ 0.00055828 = 53.5385 BTC [-] 1209155;1437528987;mod6;here's another sample with another more advanced test automated: http://dpaste.com/15BA2H1.txt 1209156;1437528988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUgmAR ) 1209157;1437529057;mod6;this one shows that we can connect with -connect & -myip, sleep for a bit, check connection count, shutdown bitcoind, then sleep a bit more (in case we restart bitcoind on the next test, we wanna allow some time for the DB to sync etc.) 1209158;1437529098;mod6;again hopefully someone in the future can learn from what I'm doing here and take this over in python. 1209159;1437529465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00056899 = 46.3727 BTC [+] 1209160;1437529883;trinque;eh is python really better than perl? 1209161;1437529888;trinque;I have my doubts 1209162;1437529928;trinque;perl python and ruby are all kissing cousins 1209163;1437530055;mod6;well, i agree. i honestly like perl better, but that's maybe because I've been doing small things in it for 15 years. 1209164;1437530080;mod6;and.. i don't wanna be the only one who can write tests for this thing :} 1209165;1437530095;mod6;so it'd be nice to eventually move this into something that other guys know how to do. 1209166;1437530106;mod6;it's pretty cool tho 'eh? 1209167;1437530488;BingoBoingo;It's a bit harder to make python write only like perl. very hard to find good sample ruby code because rails 1209168;1437530965;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208987 < to be clear, assembly would allow co-routine 'jumps' just fine 1209169;1437530965;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 23:10:42; decimation: in other words, the bedrock is shaping 'what is possible' 1209170;1437530990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00055285 = 32.7287 BTC [-] {3} 1209171;1437531378;mod6;<+ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000126.html << nice work! 1209172;1437531379;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Pogoization of 'Miracast' ... ( http://bit.ly/1CO8q4r ) 1209173;1437531488;BingoBoingo;Systemdick appologist gets fucked by systemd-ism https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Btrfs-System-Fail-4.2-More 1209174;1437531490;assbot;Btrfs Seems To Finally Have Failed Me On A Production System - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1TP56dj ) 1209175;1437531749;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1209176;1437531752;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1209177;1437531755;trinque;mod6: yeah, super cool 1209178;1437531987;decimation;asciilifeform: which 'rockchip' do you have? the imgur image is not clear 1209179;1437532852;mod6;"assbot: I don't do bots, mod6." << lollerskates! 1209180;1437534101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63832 @ 0.00056899 = 36.3198 BTC [+] {2} 1209181;1437534126;asciilifeform;decimation: it is in the log (dpaste link to the spew from serial port on boot) 1209182;1437534131;asciilifeform;can't recall immediately 1209183;1437534162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44068 @ 0.00056926 = 25.0861 BTC [+] 1209184;1437534259;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209175 << 3*4294967297 1209185;1437534259;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1209186;1437534279;asciilifeform;and ^ yes, 'PGP Corporation Update Signing Key' was in the 'magic list' 1209187;1437534289;BingoBoingo; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209175 << 3*4294967297 << Want to qntra this one up? 1209188;1437534290;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1209189;1437534293;asciilifeform;y'know, cosmic rays love update signing keyz 1209190;1437534299;mod6;^ 1209191;1437534340;asciilifeform;it is quite arguably old nyooz 1209192;1437534357;asciilifeform;considering that i proved that all of the items in the 'magic list' are divisible by 4294967297 1209193;1437534378;asciilifeform;(and that, conversely, all items thusly divisible are in the list) 1209194;1437534415;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/39RAKKQ.txt << log from incitatus, as of ten seconds ago 1209195;1437534416;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HPZisz ) 1209196;1437534427;asciilifeform;^ posted here because this fragment is typical 1209197;1437534551;asciilifeform;https://seals.networksolutions.com/siteseal_seek/siteseal?v_shortname=NETEV&v_querytype=W&v_search=cryptome.org&x=5&y=5 << sad 1209198;1437534552;assbot;Site Credentials for http://www.cryptome.org/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HPZuIa ) 1209199;1437534558;asciilifeform;ferfuxxake, WHY?? 1209200;1437534671;trinque;dat sha1 1209201;1437534712;decimation;asciilifeform: interestingly your link is in the log but is completely missing from search 1209202;1437534718;decimation;even just from:asciilifeform 1209203;1437534756;asciilifeform;decimation: the search is broken from day 1 1209204;1437534773;asciilifeform;when, for reasons entirely unknown to me, it was made to behave in whatever different way from 'grep' 1209205;1437534779;asciilifeform;which is the one and only true search. 1209206;1437534796;asciilifeform;it used to be even more broken though 1209207;1437534806;mats;lol 1209208;1437534820;decimation;yeah I was aware of the stemming shit, but not that it completely misses things 1209209;1437534836;decimation;ok it appears to be RK2928 if the kernel bootlog isn't lying 1209210;1437534842;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, it insists on breaking at word boundaries 1209211;1437534855;asciilifeform;which is, imho, wildly ludicrous 1209212;1437534884;asciilifeform;if i wanted the machine to care about whitespace, i would have put whitespace in the query 1209213;1437534945;decimation;yeah but in this case I was looking at all results for from:asciilifeform 1209214;1437534948;decimation;and it isn't present 1209215;1437534954;decimation;who knows how many lines are dropped 1209216;1437534954;asciilifeform;possibly ascii_field 1209217;1437534957;decimation;nope 1209218;1437534960;asciilifeform;then wtf 1209219;1437534979;decimation;interestingly the chat took place very near the daily rollover 1209220;1437534999;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1208034 < try to search for this line 1209221;1437534999;assbot;Logged on 20-07-2015 23:59:37; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://dpaste.com/0YSCME3.txt 1209222;1437535047;asciilifeform;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=asciilifeform%3A+ben_vulpes%2C+mod6%2C+mircea_popescu%2C+jurov%2C+et+al%3A+http%3A%2F%2Fdpaste.com%2F0YSCME3.txt 1209223;1437535048;assbot;1 results for 'asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://dpaste.com/0YSCME3.txt' - #bitcoin-assets search 1209224;1437535070;decimation;interesting 1209225;1437535227;decimation;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from:asciilifeform&start=220 1209226;1437535228;assbot;70433 results for 'from:asciilifeform' - #bitcoin-assets search 1209227;1437535425;mod6;asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000128.html 1209228;1437535426;assbot;[BTC-dev] Recent Patches Read & Signed : WARNING! ... ( http://bit.ly/1COXfs4 ) 1209229;1437535447;asciilifeform;mod6: neato! 1209230;1437535487;trinque;heh I like that warning 1209231;1437535522;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://gnezdoparanoika.ru/podgotovka-k-vijivaniu/111-sovety-partizanam-poleznye-plakaty.html << true p03try11!!! 1209232;1437535523;assbot;Советы партизанам. Полезные плакаты ... ( http://bit.ly/1COXiUU ) 1209233;1437535523;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1209234;1437535748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82513 @ 0.00054469 = 44.944 BTC [-] {6} 1209235;1437535784;decimation;asciilifeform: http://hwswbits.blogspot.com/2013/06/full-rk3066-technical-reference-manual.html < has some links to a paper on the rk2928 1209236;1437535785;assbot;Hardware & Software Useful bits: Full RK3066 Technical Reference Manual found! ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ2vbH ) 1209237;1437535797;decimation;"And 2916 RK2928 chip output through internal IO_SWITCH debug serial and OTG interfaces on the same set of IO, RK2926 for the first 6465 pin, RK2928 to V8 W8 pins. The two serial ports for the default mode, when detecting VBUS signal will switch to USB_DEVICE mode, detects the ID port is low will automatically 1209238;1437535802;decimation;Automatically switches to USB_HOST mode. Debugging serial connection is shown below, OTG_DP pick serial small board RXD, OTG_DN pick serial small board 1209239;1437535805;decimation;TXD, master and serial small plate connected to ground, do not connect the power supply pins." 1209240;1437535814;asciilifeform;these are reasonably-documented, yes 1209241;1437535834;hanbot;so i'm attempting reference implementation install for the first time and have a boatload of errors at ./auto.sh , not sure where to begin. if anyone has the time & patience for my noobery, please ding me. 1209242;1437535836;decimation;there's some stuff about DDR, but no full datasheet for that one 1209243;1437535850;asciilifeform;hanbot: aha 1209244;1437535854;asciilifeform;hanbot: or pm if you want 1209245;1437535897;hanbot;well hopefully if logged it can be pointed to other folks later if needed 1209246;1437535904;asciilifeform;aha then shoot 1209247;1437535907;hanbot;what'd be useful, config.log dump? 1209248;1437535937;mod6;sure, use `script` to start a logging facility just type 'exit' when done and it'll dump out a 'typscript' file in the local dir. 1209249;1437535943;asciilifeform;incidentally, if this is mod6's 'auto.sh,' i'm afraid that i can't recommend it. it never worked on my system. 1209250;1437535956;asciilifeform;(but perhaps it works for others ?) 1209251;1437535964;decimation;it did on mine but only after modification (realpath for one) 1209252;1437535973;mod6;it was designed to work on deb6, others had no problems. but *shrug*. what system are you using hanbot? 1209253;1437535982;decimation;but it's several patches behind anyway, would try to use stator 1209254;1437535983;hanbot;interesting. well lessee. yeah, installed realpath. 1209255;1437536083;mod6;really, the main question at this point should be: do you wanna run the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE or are you looking to help test with the latest (pre)v0.5.4 patches? 1209256;1437536150;hanbot;i'm hoping to build stator manually. release + patches & antecedents mentioned in stator post. 1209257;1437536165;asciilifeform;manually ? 1209258;1437536175;mod6;ah 1209259;1437536190;asciilifeform;what does this mean 1209260;1437536209;mod6;asciilifeform: probably 'whole orchestra' 1209261;1437536232;BingoBoingo;Is anyone other than ben_vulpes interested in my 0.7-ish turdball? 1209262;1437536234;hanbot;well my variety speak is weak here lol. 1209263;1437536241;asciilifeform;the classical recipe for stator involves getting hold of the dependencies (listed in stator/distfiles/MANIFEST), placing them in the latter dir, and ./stator.sh 1209264;1437536255;asciilifeform;this builds the whole shebang. 1209265;1437536343;scoopbot_revived;Microsoft Product Critical Vulnerability Week After Update End of Life http://qntra.net/2015/07/microsoft-product-critical-vulnerability-week-after-update-end-of-life/ 1209266;1437536359;trinque;iirc stator didn't have a -e, might want that 1209267;1437536375;trinque;I added it to mine to deal with blown up steps when fiddling with gcov and libressl 1209268;1437536383;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/Ae5cT 1209269;1437536384;assbot;Microsoft Product Critical Vulnerability Week After Update End of Life | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYd7R ) 1209270;1437536392;asciilifeform;trinque: -e ? 1209271;1437536397;trinque;/bin/sh -e 1209272;1437536402;trinque;or set -e I think is equivalent 1209273;1437536420;asciilifeform;what's that do 1209274;1437536427;trinque;bails out at the first exit nonzero 1209275;1437536437;asciilifeform;good idea. 1209276;1437536632;decimation;asciilifeform: https://github.com/omegamoon/ < these folks seem to have a kernel for the rk30xx series socs 1209277;1437536633;assbot;omegamoon · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtDJ ) 1209278;1437536642;hanbot;asciilifeform so this route i imagined of installing v0.5.3.1-RELEASE followed by patching with the two bits mentioned in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html & the patches they themselves require is...impossible? redundant? 1209279;1437536643;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn ) 1209280;1437536659;asciilifeform;ah so ~that~ manual 1209281;1437536666;asciilifeform;no, it is entirely doable and worth doing. 1209282;1437536677;asciilifeform;the whole point of the way the patches were written. 1209283;1437536703;asciilifeform;but http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html is obsolete. 1209284;1437536704;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn ) 1209285;1437536728;asciilifeform;or hm, no 1209286;1437536740;asciilifeform;was confused with other builder for a sec. 1209287;1437536754;asciilifeform;anyway, let's start from beginning: 1209288;1437536788;asciilifeform;first, determine what you want to build 1209289;1437536800;asciilifeform;is it the src found in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html ? 1209290;1437536800;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn ) 1209291;1437536810;asciilifeform;or some other set, with different patches ? 1209292;1437536829;hanbot;the former 1209293;1437536845;asciilifeform;so you want to reconstitute the snapshot found in the linked post? 1209294;1437536851;hanbot;yes 1209295;1437536853;asciilifeform;this is done as described therein: 1209296;1437536871;asciilifeform;the sequence in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html followed by the patch in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html 1209297;1437536872;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4pci ) 1209298;1437536873;assbot;[BTC-dev] Static build crapocalypse. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4rAZ ) 1209299;1437536962;BingoBoingo;Sources and binary for my Bitcoin 0.7-ish turd http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/bitcoin-0.7.2/ 1209300;1437536963;assbot;Index of /bitcoin-0.7.2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4wEJ ) 1209301;1437537030;BingoBoingo;Only ever built from makefile generated from bitcoin-qt.pro as even I have limited use cases for this 1209302;1437537127;hanbot;asciilifeform i sketched the patch tree like so: 1209303;1437537137;hanbot;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html 1209304;1437537137;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYgY ) 1209305;1437537137;hanbot;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000098.html 1209306;1437537138;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of Hard-Coded Seeds ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYh0 ) 1209307;1437537141;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000088.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000098.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000100.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html + h 1209308;1437537141;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYgY ) 1209309;1437537142;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full Orphanage Thermonuke. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYh7 ) 1209310;1437537143;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Transaction Orphanage Amputation. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYWpr ) 1209311;1437537143;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of Hard-Coded Seeds ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYh0 ) 1209312;1437537144;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of 'showmyip.com' mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYWpt ) 1209313;1437537144;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full DNS Thermonuke! ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYWpv ) 1209314;1437537145;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4pci ) 1209315;1437537145;asciilifeform;ttp://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html 1209316;1437537145;hanbot;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html 1209317;1437537145;assbot;[BTC-dev] Removal of 'showmyip.com' mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYWpt ) 1209318;1437537147;asciilifeform;^ this gets you through 'stator'. 1209319;1437537148;hanbot;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000100.html 1209320;1437537149;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full DNS Thermonuke! ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYWpv ) 1209321;1437537158;hanbot;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html 1209322;1437537158;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4pci ) 1209323;1437537164;hanbot;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html 1209324;1437537165;assbot;[BTC-dev] Static build crapocalypse. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4rAZ ) 1209325;1437537175;asciilifeform;'raw block eater/shitter' are http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000103.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000105.html respectively. 1209326;1437537175;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYZ4F ) 1209327;1437537176;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Eater ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYWG7 ) 1209328;1437537238;asciilifeform;you might also want the 'verifyall' patch, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000120.html 1209329;1437537239;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Add '-verifyall' option. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COZ3BA ) 1209330;1437537644;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual 1209331;1437537835;hanbot;okay got the planned patch spaghetti untangled, ty asciilifeform. mod6 volunteered to let me torture him tomorrow with release issues. i'll report on how all this goes. 1209332;1437537936;asciilifeform;neato. 1209333;1437537957;Vexual;taste the soup 1209334;1437538075;Vexual;6-year box still noncom ascii? 1209335;1437538096;Vexual;incomm? 1209336;1437538099;asciilifeform;same as before 1209337;1437538120;Vexual;did you check the clock? 1209338;1437538124;asciilifeform;yes. 1209339;1437538146;Vexual;lol 1209340;1437538405;Vexual;recheck? 1209341;1437538432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00054115 = 36.6359 BTC [-] {2} 1209342;1437538573;Vexual;u suspect blacklist? 1209343;1437538680;*;BingoBoingo still wonders where the small machines are with ECC and 2+ sata II ports 1209344;1437538729;Vexual;why u hate on bigger machines? 1209345;1437538753;Vexual;oh, right 1209346;1437538770;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Bigger machine harder to carry across border in ass 1209347;1437538785;BingoBoingo;And more expensive to colo 1209348;1437538870;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nobody's coloing a 'miracast' 1209349;1437538879;BingoBoingo;Yet 1209350;1437538899;asciilifeform;though i showed mine to diametric today and he pointed out that the 802.11 daughterboard speaks standard usb through those 4 pins 1209351;1437538921;asciilifeform;so potentially one could remove it, replace with a usb 'a' jack 1209352;1437538931;asciilifeform;and insert a normal human ethernet card 1209353;1437538966;Vexual;aslo ascii: battery powered iron?? 1209354;1437539009;asciilifeform;Vexual: i like'em - lightweight and easier for precision work, on account of not having two metres of mains cable dragging behind it 1209355;1437539052;BingoBoingo;miracast seems to have lots of potential as NuisanceNet 1209356;1437539060;Vexual;im asounded that you balcony doesnt have a proper station 1209357;1437539085;asciilifeform;Vexual: i don't keep nice things out of doors 1209358;1437539115;asciilifeform;the climate makes short work of anything ferrous 1209359;1437539174;BingoBoingo;Similar here, except for a brief window in 2012 when it was 110+F and California like drought 1209360;1437539747;phf;so the end result of incitatus going online was an exercise in sending a version packet to a node to elicit some sort of response 1209361;1437539780;asciilifeform;post? 1209362;1437539784;phf;http://paste.lisp.org/display/152068 1209363;1437539785;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjFqDO ) 1209364;1437539798;asciilifeform;neato! 1209365;1437539840;phf;so if you do that whole socket-connect, write-command, and then (read-byte (usocket:socket-stream *sock*)) you should be getting bytes back, because the node is primed to talk to you 1209366;1437539849;asciilifeform;between this and the block parser, we have maybe a quarter of a cl implementation of bitcoin here... 1209367;1437539876;phf;not surprisingly incitatus doesn't respond 1209368;1437539895;asciilifeform;365910 atm 1209369;1437539901;asciilifeform;barely 200 blocks in one day 1209370;1437539921;asciilifeform;mostly loaded in short bursts, separated by hours of ... 1209371;1437539924;asciilifeform;accepted connection 129.13.252.47:38614 1209372;1437539924;asciilifeform;socket closed 1209373;1437539924;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 148.251.238.178:27135 1209374;1437539924;asciilifeform;accepted connection 129.13.252.36:54354 1209375;1437539924;asciilifeform;socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 1209376;1437539926;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 129.13.252.47:38614 1209377;1437539928;asciilifeform;socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 1209378;1437539930;asciilifeform;disconnecting node 129.13.252.36:54354 1209379;1437539932;asciilifeform;accepted connection 71.230.106.172:60519 1209380;1437539944;asciilifeform;etc. 1209381;1437540262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53068 @ 0.00056191 = 29.8194 BTC [+] 1209382;1437540326;phf;so something /is/ coming through? that's trully odd 1209383;1437540411;asciilifeform;yes. 1209384;1437540426;asciilifeform;it is exactly like the situation roughly a month ago with mircea_popescu's node. 1209385;1437540442;asciilifeform;which spontaneously resolved when we started discussing it in detail here. 1209386;1437540498;asciilifeform;i'ma let it run until it syncs, and then dump the blocks that ~did~ get through 1209387;1437540500;asciilifeform;and post them publicly 1209388;1437540509;asciilifeform;then i will cancel the contract with that hoster. 1209389;1437540594;*;BingoBoingo likes how corenetworks has had a teaser colo page forever and done nothing to that end. 1209390;1437540612;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is a cheap and largely forgotten dc, like 1,001 others 1209391;1437540615;*;BingoBoingo wonders why not can a shitbox and let me pay to put my machien in that space 1209392;1437540654;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: because vm cleverly disguised as old penIII 1209393;1437540663;asciilifeform;how else will they rent it to you for 25bux/mo 1209394;1437540714;BingoBoingo;Blowjobs? 1209395;1437540730;BingoBoingo;Escaped from circus? 1209396;1437540779;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/19C0DGW 1209397;1437540780;assbot;dpaste: 19C0DGW ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjHr2N ) 1209398;1437540790;asciilifeform;^ last ~40 min or so 1209399;1437540865;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33604656 << qntra !??! 1209400;1437540867;assbot;Grooveshark co-founder Josh Greenberg, 28, found dead - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjHBHn ) 1209401;1437540879;asciilifeform;Had Problemz (TM) 1209402;1437540902;BingoBoingo;Gat a shiva hand to write it up? You spotted it so you can call dibs. 1209403;1437540913;asciilifeform;nah 1209404;1437540918;asciilifeform;go, write. 1209405;1437540931;BingoBoingo;k 1209406;1437540933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00054071 = 15.4102 BTC [-] 1209407;1437540983;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33584699 << also lulzy 1209408;1437540984;assbot;South Korea spy kills himself amid hacking scandal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjHKKV ) 1209409;1437540998;asciilifeform;folks are 'suiciding' left and right. 1209410;1437541121;asciilifeform;!up Vexual 1209411;1437541255;*;asciilifeform bbl 1209412;1437541356;Vexual;http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/07/22/mp-randall-fair-dinkum-feather-ruffler 1209413;1437541669;Vexual;^not suicide, theres no kids helpline link 1209414;1437541859;BingoBoingo;https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11057341_940567969313776_6669291060904963243_n.jpg?oh=e0fbbf1582c118b661c01de086314c74&oe=5614BA65 1209415;1437541860;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1efFPJp ) 1209416;1437542128;mod6;hanbot: so, this might help you, it's worth a read through anyway -- it's a script that I created to pull down v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and then add ascii's recent patches up through verifyall [ read the script for all that are applied ]: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt 1209417;1437542129;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjK0Sy ) 1209418;1437542230;mod6;If you run that script in a directory say ~/sandbox then you can `cd bitcoin-v0_5_3_1` `mkdir -p ourlibs distfiles` - then pull down the boost/bdb/openssl and drop them in distfiles. then finally drop in stator.sh into the ~/sandbox/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE dir and kick it off. that should do the trick. 1209419;1437542242;Vexual;direbeats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IVP8R8jTs 1209420;1437542245;mod6;I've probably done a dozen builds this way in the last 2 weeks. 1209421;1437542283;mod6;Anyway, yeah, we can go through it tomorrow. I've also got some curl commands to pull down the distfiles: 1209422;1437542324;mod6;curl "http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz" -s -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz 1209423;1437542347;mod6;curl "http://download.oracle.com/berkeley-db/db-4.8.30.tar.gz" -s -o distfiles/db-4.8.30.tar.gz 1209424;1437542403;mod6;boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" ; curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" 1209425;1437542435;mod6;those three command should be run from ~/sandbox/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 1209426;1437542445;BingoBoingo;Anyone running OpenBSD and radeon graphics. 5.7 seems to actually improve quite a bit over 5.6 in this front. 1209427;1437542568;mod6;Anyone else looking to build the same thing by hand (as opposed to just using stator as is) can use this above process ^^ for now. 1209428;1437542644;mod6;At some point here we'll have a pre-patched source bundle that will be like a release candidate. I'm workin on it :] 1209429;1437542667;BingoBoingo;^ ++ 1209430;1437542676;Vexual;:) 1209431;1437542788;trinque;mod6: thanks for the script 1209432;1437542809;trinque;great way for us casuals to keep up with what's going on 1209433;1437542816;mod6;anytime :] 1209434;1437542913;mod6;oh, i noticed a mistake above in my text, there is no such dir as 'bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE', it's simply 'bitcoin-v0_5_3_1'. hope that doesn't trip anyone up too badly. 1209435;1437542915;phf;asciilifeform: can now receive messages back 1209436;1437542964;phf;#S(MESSAGE-MESSAGE :START-STRING #(249 190 180 217) :COMMAND-NAME "version" :PAYLOAD-SIZE 85 :CHECKSUM #(250 5 185 54)) came from the node and the checksum verifies 1209437;1437542974;phf;i wonder how much of bitcoind can i reimplement by morning.. 1209438;1437543077;trinque;haha! well, now you're on record phf 1209439;1437543089;trinque;hear that everyone? common lisp bitcoind is on the way 1209440;1437543105;mod6;(o(m(g))) 1209441;1437543173;phf;comes with MOST-POSITIVE-FIXNUM blocksize 1209442;1437543201;trinque;hahaha 1209443;1437544544;phf;195.211.154.159:8333 returns by way of version message: #S(VERSION-MESSAGE :VERSION 99999 :SERVICES 1 :TIMESTAMP 1437544122 :ADDR_RECV-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_RECV-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 71 230 106 172) :ADDR_RECV-PORT 46582 :ADDR_TRANS-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_TRANS-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 195 211 154 159) :ADDR_TRANS-PORT 36128 :NONCE 9412825019978737752 :USER_AGENT "" :START_HEIGHT 366396) 1209444;1437544680;punkman;!up Vexual 1209445;1437544773;Vexual;hey 1209446;1437544898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87400 @ 0.00055435 = 48.4502 BTC [+] {2} 1209447;1437544945;Vexual;another funny thing i saw, someone designed the rax increasers to walk across a university lawn thats taboo 1209448;1437544950;Vexual;*tax 1209449;1437545020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116450 @ 0.00056712 = 66.0411 BTC [+] {2} 1209450;1437545264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151450 @ 0.00054015 = 81.8057 BTC [-] {4} 1209451;1437545412;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208773 << the worst part is that there was a plan to do exactly this by a couple dozen derps in the parliament 1209452;1437545413;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 16:27:25; mircea_popescu: "2. Start printing Euros without authorization from the European Central bank. When accused of forgery, make the forgery harder to detect by changing the letter at the front of the serial number from Y (for Greece) to X (for Germany)." << ahaha gawd. 1209453;1437545432;BingoBoingo;!up SamouraiWallet 1209454;1437545526;punkman;they'd probably run out of paper in a day or two 1209455;1437545536;Vexual;bwahaha 1209456;1437545553;BingoBoingo;SamouraiWallet: How are you handling the forklets? 1209457;1437545592;Vexual;punkmn, it's illegal to mention polymer notes and who prints them here 1209458;1437545607;Vexual;they do smell nice tho 1209459;1437545632;Vexual;not unlikr chanel 5 1209460;1437545681;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI5rbMDrL3I 1209461;1437545682;assbot;BADBADNOTGOOD & Ghostface Killah - Sour Soul (2015) [LEAKED Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OlJIsx ) 1209462;1437545686;Vexual;the media was well and truly muted when corruption was suggested 1209463;1437545713;punkman;did they outsource the printing? 1209464;1437545723;Vexual;we did it 1209465;1437545748;Vexual;first with waterproof notes 1209466;1437545786;punkman;well cotton doesn't really dissolve in water anyway 1209467;1437545801;Vexual;plastic is better 1209468;1437545885;Vexual;shit smells delicious 1209469;1437545929;punkman;I wonder if they chose the smell 1209470;1437545931;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2668 1209471;1437545932;assbot;JL: The Origin of the C-Word ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3Lvba ) 1209472;1437545941;Vexual;i think they must have 1209473;1437546103;Vexual;if you can make your money smell like thw world favourite lady perfume for years on end, its no accident 1209474;1437546301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00056714 = 12.789 BTC [+] 1209475;1437546911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47250 @ 0.00056714 = 26.7974 BTC [+] 1209476;1437546969;punkman;!up Vexual 1209477;1437547128;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/07/22/0146236/genetic-access-control-code-uses-23andme-dna-data-for-internet-racism 1209478;1437547130;assbot;Genetic Access Control Code Uses 23andMe DNA Data For Internet Racism - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OlL1rt ) 1209479;1437547235;punkman;"must be this white to comment" 1209480;1437547390;Vexual;be this white to comment http://www.australianbanknotes.net/hundred_dollar_banknotes/r616_f.jpg 1209481;1437547406;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208942 << should test LibreSSL with -verifyall 1209482;1437547406;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 20:45:04; BingoBoingo: anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually 1209483;1437547438;punkman;Vexual: who's the mustache? 1209484;1437547445;BingoBoingo;punkman: I only have foundation builds running on that "Mint" ubuntu like at the moment 1209485;1437547449;Vexual;dunno, cant read the sig 1209486;1437547521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00056126 = 8.7276 BTC [-] 1209487;1437547984;Vexual;whiter http://www.australianbanknotes.net/hundred_dollar_banknotes/r608_r.jpghttp://www.australianbanknotes.net/hundred_dollar_banknotes/r608_r.jpg 1209488;1437548018;Vexual;old paper 1209489;1437548403;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209407 <> http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/the-athens-affair 1209490;1437548403;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 04:56:23; asciilifeform: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33584699 << also lulzy 1209491;1437548405;assbot;The Athens Affair - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUwRNl ) 1209492;1437548504;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y 1209493;1437550150;punkman;!up roasbeef 1209494;1437550449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00056126 = 15.7433 BTC [-] 1209495;1437550757;liquidassets;;;later tell danielpbarron What historically has a pound of flesh equal? Are there any scriptural equivalency tables you can direct me to? 1209496;1437550757;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1209497;1437552462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71200 @ 0.00056717 = 40.3825 BTC [+] {3} 1209498;1437552770;trinque;punkman | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208942 << should test LibreSSL with -verifyall << I just built a new 0.5.4-beta with mod6's script + libressl, will do that 1209499;1437552770;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 20:45:04; BingoBoingo: anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually 1209500;1437552885;danielpbarron;;;later tell liquidassets see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189524 for now and I'll get back to you on a Biblical reference (if such a thing exists) 1209501;1437552885;assbot;Logged on 06-07-2015 18:24:00; ben_vulpes: Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained t 1209502;1437552886;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1209503;1437554168;scoopbot_revived;Bitcoin Group's IPO Hit With Stop Order By Australian Regulator http://qntra.net/2015/07/bitcoin-groups-ipo-hit-with-stop-order-by-australian-regulator/ 1209504;1437555573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136550 @ 0.00055775 = 76.1608 BTC [-] 1209505;1437555627;trinque;static 0.5.4-beta libressl node is up to about 100k 1209506;1437555817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202758 @ 0.00057985 = 117.5692 BTC [+] {8} 1209507;1437555878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135485 @ 0.00058991 = 79.924 BTC [+] {5} 1209508;1437556549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62545 @ 0.00059723 = 37.3538 BTC [+] 1209509;1437556854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186894 @ 0.00054126 = 101.1582 BTC [-] {5} 1209510;1437559991;liquidassets;danielpbarron: Actually this story works really well 1209511;1437560023;liquidassets;ben_vulpes submission for the Trilema GPG Contract short-story contest? 1209512;1437560066;liquidassets;For context, I’m working on opening a retail business in California and I’m kicking ideas around for the concept behind it. I’m thinking of calling it Numéraire Goods. Numeraire good being an economic concept meaning a base good that functions as money in which all other tradable item’s prices are expressed. 1209513;1437560118;liquidassets;So this idea of a pound of flesh being equivalent to a signed contract…I like it. 1209514;1437560453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00053756 = 19.7016 BTC [-] {4} 1209515;1437560698;funkenstein_;speaking of numeraire, this scholarly piece on gresham's law likely of interest here: http://www.columbia.edu/~ram15/grash.html 1209516;1437560699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4iBaV ) 1209517;1437561989;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol what's this, the russiarchist's cookbook ? 1209518;1437562004;mircea_popescu;http://gnezdoparanoika.ru/uploads/posts/2014-04/1397487240_6.jpg << that for instance is exactly how you DONT use dogs. 1209519;1437562005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4lDMi ) 1209520;1437563076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85292 @ 0.00053618 = 45.7319 BTC [-] {2} 1209521;1437563137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57655 @ 0.00053499 = 30.8448 BTC [-] {2} 1209522;1437563381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118267 @ 0.00053302 = 63.0387 BTC [-] {2} 1209523;1437565943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241580 @ 0.00052965 = 127.9528 BTC [-] {8} 1209524;1437566248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00054782 = 25.5284 BTC [+] 1209525;1437566249;scoopbot_revived;Night Falls on Manhattan http://trilema.com/2015/night-falls-on-manhattan/ 1209526;1437566908;mats;https://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/15-07-07-dyld_print_to_file_lpe.html 1209527;1437566909;assbot;OS X 10.10 DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability | SektionEins GmbH ... ( http://bit.ly/1flwUqv ) 1209528;1437567041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92950 @ 0.00054949 = 51.0751 BTC [+] {2} 1209529;1437567163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00052643 = 30.5329 BTC [-] {2} 1209530;1437567468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215750 @ 0.00055356 = 119.4306 BTC [+] {3} 1209531;1437570152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00055568 = 29.5066 BTC [+] {2} 1209532;1437570394;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 1209533;1437571450;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1208999 << pretty great article BingoBoingo hanbot 1209534;1437571450;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 00:00:52; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/07/alm-ceo-cries-terrorism-after-ashley-madison-hack/ and DDos This https://archive.is/i7XvH << hanbot 1209535;1437572459;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209069 << bwhaahah 1209536;1437572459;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 00:35:20; trinque: next innovation is constructing both sides! 1209537;1437572512;mircea_popescu;what, you mean like people pretending to be judges pretending to listen to people who are pretending to be das pretending to be prosecuting people who are pretending to be breaking the law ? the first in the hopes of selling this into a "political career", the latter in the hopes of selling this into a "career in showbiz" ? 1209538;1437572520;mircea_popescu;INCONCEIVABRU 1209539;1437572572;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209088 << sadly there can always be a question of misconfiguration. it's the internet. 1209540;1437572572;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 00:40:14; asciilifeform: there can be ~NO~ fucking question of misconfiguration 1209541;1437572849;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209134 <<-->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864275 just pro memoria 1209542;1437572849;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 00:54:28; asciilifeform: the days of plaintext packets sailing around the world unmolested are not merely numbered - but long gone. 1209543;1437572849;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2014 14:52:26; mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k 1209544;1437572872;mircea_popescu;goes pretty well with yest's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-07-2015#1208499 1209545;1437572872;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 11:39:59; mircea_popescu: amazon instance -> cloudflare -> internet. all via PKI. 1209546;1437573143;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209185 << bwhahahaa WUT 1209547;1437573143;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 03:04:19; assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1209548;1437573256;asciilifeform;it was in the magiclist 1209549;1437573264;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209196 << pretty much exactly like originally seen on my node aha. 1209550;1437573264;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 03:07:07; asciilifeform: ^ posted here because this fragment is typical 1209551;1437573273;asciilifeform;btw that's still going on 1209552;1437573344;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209518 << no shit, aha 1209553;1437573344;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 10:46:44; mircea_popescu: http://gnezdoparanoika.ru/uploads/posts/2014-04/1397487240_6.jpg << that for instance is exactly how you DONT use dogs. 1209554;1437573367;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209517 << 'illustrated advice to partisans' 1209555;1437573367;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 10:46:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what's this, the russiarchist's cookbook ? 1209556;1437573376;mircea_popescu;i c. 1209557;1437573430;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209539 << what i meant was, no misconfiguration on ~my box~ 1209558;1437573430;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 13:42:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209088 << sadly there can always be a question of misconfiguration. it's the internet. 1209559;1437573461;mircea_popescu;yes but what's that do. i said the same at the time, it was like...mmmkay well... it dun work./ 1209560;1437573476;mircea_popescu;"maybe it's the router". "no, because isp has been sane" "well..." 1209561;1437573508;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/0DS0BB5.txt << last 10 min. 1209562;1437573509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxbG5e ) 1209563;1437573509;mircea_popescu;read the logs at that time, they stand symbolic of this problem. how the fuck is one to prove the internet is broken X way when iot's consistently broken so many ways from sunday. 1209564;1437573514;asciilifeform;presently, long burst of tx spam 1209565;1437573523;asciilifeform;after that it will fall mostly silent for 20 min or so 1209566;1437573530;asciilifeform;occasionally, gets blocks 1209567;1437573621;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209282 << yeah this is a good move hanbot 1209568;1437573621;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 03:44:37; asciilifeform: the whole point of the way the patches were written. 1209569;1437573621;asciilifeform;'consistently broken' is not quite it. a 'consistently littered' city may have many dog turds, but one does not expect to find unexploded ordnance from ww2 on the sidewalk 1209570;1437573647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "but maybe it's not really from ww2, and ms doolittle's poodle shat it out" 1209571;1437573650;asciilifeform;aha. 1209572;1437573654;mircea_popescu;well ? 1209573;1437573662;mircea_popescu;"there's so much we don't understand about biology" 1209574;1437573676;asciilifeform;it is worth noting that my other two nodes (one of which is on residential fiber, even!!) haven't skipped a beat since powerup 1209575;1437573679;mircea_popescu;"yeah, there is. like how the fuck you didn't abord in the third week like every other case of lethal trisomy" 1209576;1437573688;asciilifeform;l0l 1209577;1437573787;mircea_popescu;(as a boy, /me used to play around a very large unexploded bomb. the crew had taken out the fuse and left it in place, by the 60s the rains had washed it out thoroughly, by the 80s it was a mostly rusted hunk of metal) 1209578;1437573853;mircea_popescu;fun fact : the b52 bombers ? they cost <10mn a piece. 1209579;1437573863;asciilifeform;b29 ? 1209580;1437573876;mircea_popescu;no, 52, the 50s thing. 1209581;1437573880;mircea_popescu;stratofortress 1209582;1437573889;*;asciilifeform expected a ww2 machine 1209583;1437573904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's old rusty bomb fell in the '50s ?!! 1209584;1437573916;mircea_popescu;ah no. 1209585;1437573934;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how it got there. conceivably, dropped during the war 1209586;1437573978;mircea_popescu;upon review, b29 was introduced too late to have been related. romania was out by 1944 1209587;1437573993;asciilifeform;and at any rate, what b29 over ro ?! 1209588;1437573998;asciilifeform;prolly fell out of a polikarpov 1209589;1437574045;mircea_popescu;nah, us bombed romania plenty in the early 40s. major oil supplier for teh third reich. 1209590;1437574062;mircea_popescu;also all sorts of parts an' stuff. 1209591;1437574156;*;asciilifeform recalls the kid in del toro's 'the devil's backbone' and his gigantic bomb 1209592;1437574193;asciilifeform;thing sits in the spanish countryside, and demented kids hug it, talk to it... 1209593;1437574205;mircea_popescu;it was... i think it must have been about a ton or some shit. it was huge. 1209594;1437574247;asciilifeform;( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256009 ) 1209595;1437574248;assbot;L'échine du diable (2001) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOfkN3 ) 1209596;1437574360;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/B-17F_Destroyed_by_Me-262.jpg << great pic incidentally. 1209597;1437574361;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOfDaG ) 1209598;1437574383;mircea_popescu;"After Carlos, a 12-year-old whose father has died in the Spanish Civil War, arrives at an ominous boy's orphanage he discovers the school is haunted and has many dark secrets that he must uncover." 1209599;1437574386;mircea_popescu;o.O 1209600;1437574404;asciilifeform;not a bad film 1209601;1437574454;asciilifeform;'When this variable was added the usual safeguards that are required when adding support for new environment variables to the dynamic linker have not been used. Therefore it is possible to use this new feature even with SUID root binaries. This is dangerous, because it allows to open or create arbitrary files owned by the root user anywhere in the file system. Furthermore the opened log file is never closed and therefore its f 1209602;1437574454;asciilifeform;ile descriptor is leaked into processes spawned by SUID binaries. This means child processes of SUID root processes can write to arbitrary files owned by the root user anywhere in the filesystem. This allows for easy privilege escalation in OS X 10.10.x.' << ahahahahaha 1209603;1437574491;mircea_popescu;re that phoronix thing : isn't it a sad state of affairs when the year is 2015 and yet the best way some computer expert has to convey his problems to others is BY TAKING A PHUCKING CELLPHONE SHOT OF THE SCREEN ? 1209604;1437574502;mircea_popescu;congrats, phoronix, you're now that blonde airhead we like to fuck ? 1209605;1437574518;asciilifeform;sop for yearz 1209606;1437574524;mircea_popescu;how many years ? 1209607;1437574530;asciilifeform;about as many as 'systemd' 1209608;1437574531;mircea_popescu;how many years does it take ffs. 1209609;1437574544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53408 @ 0.00054624 = 29.1736 BTC [-] {2} 1209610;1437574599;mircea_popescu;no way to index that thing. 1209611;1437574605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164742 @ 0.00053325 = 87.8487 BTC [-] {2} 1209612;1437574719;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209366 << heh. 1209613;1437574719;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 04:37:29; asciilifeform: between this and the block parser, we have maybe a quarter of a cl implementation of bitcoin here... 1209614;1437574743;mircea_popescu;btw phf you saw what i said @you in #eulora ? 1209615;1437574824;mircea_popescu;"There was "no evidence of foul play or suicide," police in Gainesville said via Twitter." 1209616;1437574851;mircea_popescu;i don't understand how the us coroners work these days. if a 28 yo man is found dead at home, the traditional way is to require evidence of natural death 1209617;1437574863;mircea_popescu;not to derp about how there's no proof of "foul play or suicide". 1209618;1437574884;mircea_popescu;totally ass backwards this shit. 1209619;1437574904;mircea_popescu;what, he died of old age ? wtf. 1209620;1437574919;phf;mircea_popescu: yes, it'll be done. sourceforge is down, and that's where crystalspace's repository is hosted. it's been down for couple of days now for all hosted projects 1209621;1437574935;mircea_popescu;o.O 1209622;1437574941;mircea_popescu;you want a signed copy ? 1209623;1437574974;mircea_popescu;i had no fucking idea this is even a thing, but given that we link against a specified version anyway, there's really no reason to even use sourceforge. 1209624;1437574998;mircea_popescu;so yeah, ima move it to the downloads page. 1209625;1437575005;asciilifeform;tcpdump -s 0 port 8333 -w turd.pcap 1209626;1437575007;asciilifeform;incidentally. 1209627;1437575022;asciilifeform;already can see, a great many packets of length 0 1209628;1437575060;mircea_popescu;post last ack ? 1209629;1437575102;asciilifeform;will post whole thing later 1209630;1437575129;phf;mircea_popescu: i have a copy, i was hoping to have an svn repo history that i can work with. but a b-a authorative location can be used for build guides 1209631;1437575151;asciilifeform;'sourceforge', incidentally, is not long for this world. 1209632;1437575153;mircea_popescu;i had no idea the supply chain is THAT vulnerable, thanks god i asked questions. 1209633;1437575160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform clearly. 1209634;1437575169;asciilifeform;it was recently bought by sp4mz0rz 1209635;1437575176;mircea_popescu;oh ? who ? 1209636;1437575181;phf;right now i think every guide has a different recommendation for what to use. some do svn co on specific revision, some pull snapshot from svn, some pull snapshot from elsewhere 1209637;1437575182;asciilifeform;who began replacing winblows exes hosted therein, with malware 1209638;1437575193;mircea_popescu;phf you mean in the wiki ? 1209639;1437575196;phf;yes 1209640;1437575200;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'dice holdings' 1209641;1437575203;mircea_popescu;yeah that needs some fixing. 1209642;1437575211;asciilifeform;they also own 'slashdot' 1209643;1437575229;mircea_popescu;oh those schmucks. 1209644;1437575236;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/19/dice_acquires_geeknet << them 1209645;1437575237;assbot;Dice swallows Slashdot, SourceForge, Freecode in $20m deal • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOhqwo ) 1209646;1437575265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno if you recall stoya's piece i linked some time ago where she decries a very similar process happening to porn. 1209647;1437575279;asciilifeform;can't recall 1209648;1437575289;mircea_popescu;like it or not, my boys = coders / girls = camwhores thing is closer to the reality of the matter than any hopes dreams or aspirations 1209649;1437575294;mircea_popescu;lemme dig it out. 1209650;1437575303;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-06-2015#1179799 << old thread where mircea_popescu's node was jammed in same way 1209651;1437575303;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 02:54:10; asciilifeform: 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1' 1209652;1437575309;asciilifeform;^ for those who missed. 1209653;1437575321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all tournament markets are quite alike 1209654;1437575333;mircea_popescu;but i mean this is by the fucking book, where the hell was it 1209655;1437575336;asciilifeform;whether broadway, or pornway, or sv programmerz 1209656;1437575337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39434 @ 0.00055756 = 21.9868 BTC [+] 1209657;1437575362;asciilifeform;a handful of 'lucky winners' to lead the cannon fodder to their graves 1209658;1437575454;mircea_popescu;http://graphicdescriptions.com/28-tubes-vs-torrents-the-ethics-of-piracy < 1209659;1437575455;assbot;Tubes vs. Torrents: the Ethics of Piracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxNNpQ ) 1209660;1437575467;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware << for those who missed re: 'sourceforge.' 1209661;1437575469;assbot;SourceForge grabs GIMP for Windows’ account, wraps installer in bundle-pushing adware [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxNNWY ) 1209662;1437575473;mircea_popescu;"According to a 2011 feature in New York, a man named Fabian Thylmann bought a company named Mansef in 2010 to mash their tube sites and other properties together to form a new company called Manwin." 1209663;1437575477;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY dice holdings. 1209664;1437575503;mircea_popescu;buy up all this cheap crud (software, pornware) by the kg, "monetize" it. 1209665;1437575522;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/feds-bust-through-huge-tor-hidden-child-porn-site-using-questionable-malware << possibly interesting, from same fishwrap 1209666;1437575525;assbot;Feds bust through huge Tor-hidden child porn site using questionable malware | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxNYBF ) 1209667;1437575538;mircea_popescu;why exactly this doesn't pop up in the search tho, is an open question 1209668;1437575593;mircea_popescu;anwyay. instructive read for the bois interested in their "profession", its place in the world, future etc. heck, might even help understand girls. 1209669;1437575607;asciilifeform;re: 'monetize': 1209670;1437575612;asciilifeform;'those with title to something worthless will find a way to extract value from it, making it even more worthless. An abandoned suburban subdivision might be worthless as housing, but valuable as a dump site for toxic waste.' (orlov, who else) 1209671;1437575699;mircea_popescu;there's nothing worthless in nature. 1209672;1437575701;phf;windows: http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe, ubuntu: svn co -r 38934 http://svn.code.sf.net/p/crystal/code/CS/trunk, osx: http://crystalspace3d.org/cvs-snapshots/zip/cs-current-snapshot.zip, gentoo: svn co -r 39798 http://svn.code.sf.net/p/crystal/code/CS/trunk cs, fedora: svn co -r 39798 http://svn.code.sf.net/p/crystal/code/CS/trunk cs 1209673;1437575702;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOigt3 ) 1209674;1437575703;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1gOijFa ) 1209675;1437575719;phf;^- from eulorum.org 1209676;1437575731;mircea_popescu;yeah right you are. 1209677;1437575761;mircea_popescu;not even sure this actually needs any fixing providing they work 1209678;1437575778;phf;those svn.code.sf.net are down 1209679;1437575828;mircea_popescu;aha. 1209680;1437575845;mircea_popescu;Current Team (1) Kevin Studer Marketing Manager ; Slashdot Media ("leader in professional tech communities") Sep 1, 2012 -$20M (terms undisclosed) 1209681;1437575867;mircea_popescu;imagine! slashdot media worth 20mn. pity they didn;'t have a watsapp slapped on. 1209682;1437575965;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209443 << okay ? 1209683;1437575965;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 05:55:44; phf: 195.211.154.159:8333 returns by way of version message: #S(VERSION-MESSAGE :VERSION 99999 :SERVICES 1 :TIMESTAMP 1437544122 :ADDR_RECV-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_RECV-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 71 230 106 172) :ADDR_RECV-PORT 46582 :ADDR_TRANS-SERVICES 1 :ADDR_TRANS-IP-ADDRESS #(0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 255 255 195 211 154 159) :ADDR_TRANS-PORT 36128 :NONCE 9412825019978737752 :USER_AGENT "" :START_HEIGHT 36639 1209684;1437576008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85900 @ 0.00056509 = 48.5412 BTC [+] {3} 1209685;1437576064;mircea_popescu;"Perhaps some users will implement it in a harmless and beneficial way, such as creating a safe space for women. But its just as likely that, in a few years, Googling for a snippet of this code yields search results that are the equivalent of a whos who of racist and misogynist sites." 1209686;1437576070;phf;mircea_popescu: it was for common lispers in the crowd 1209687;1437576103;mircea_popescu;fucktards. "perhaps this racist thing could be used to disadvantage the races i happen to hate, which i call positive. but as the race i happen to hate happens to also be objectively superior to the other races, it will likely play out the other way. OH NOES!" 1209688;1437576108;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with these people. 1209689;1437576142;mircea_popescu;how about stop fucking being racist already, if racism bothers you so much. jeez. 1209690;1437576223;mircea_popescu;"i hold an unsubstantiable, borderline pathological belief that the white race is better than all others. i spend my time trying to convince everyone to pick on white people by calling them racist if they do not". the whole libertard agenda on "race" as they understand it. 1209691;1437576234;mircea_popescu;just how self parodic can the "human rights" twerps get ? 1209692;1437576427;asciilifeform;'Manwin used their traffic to sell ad space to those same production companies they enabled theft from. Production companies paid a lot for banners. Manwin then began buying the companies they had helped devalue, including Digital Playgroundthe company I was contracted to for a number of years. I believe the worst sorts of capitalists would consider Manwins behavior a win of the highest order.' << sop 1209693;1437576440;asciilifeform;classic 'arsonist's fire sale' 1209694;1437576441;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209512 << no, we're aware. the word "numerar" is actually how you say cash in romanian. 1209695;1437576441;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 10:14:26; liquidassets: For context, I’m working on opening a retail business in California and I’m kicking ideas around for the concept behind it. I’m thinking of calling it Numéraire Goods. Numeraire good being an economic concept meaning a base good that functions as money in which all other tradable item’s prices are expressed. 1209696;1437576479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by the mid 2000s anyone with half a clue had long left porn. the remaining mouthbreathers were kind-of fun to watch, which is why gfy was such a success with people in the know. 1209697;1437576481;mircea_popescu;by now... 1209698;1437576501;mircea_popescu;actually it's probably ready for a revival, if people like stoya, kim kardashian and whoever else of the new slut generation can be arsed. 1209699;1437576521;asciilifeform;not sure how that would work 1209700;1437576530;mircea_popescu;me either. let them fucking figure it out neh ? 1209701;1437576532;asciilifeform;what, exactly, would persuade anyone to pay money to look at pictures again ? 1209702;1437576542;mircea_popescu;why would it be pictures ? 1209703;1437576547;asciilifeform;what else. 1209704;1437576571;mircea_popescu;cage au folles / moulin rouge. six story building consisting of an orgy + chapters in each campus ? 1209705;1437576580;*;asciilifeform envisions rms chiming in: 'support contractz!' 1209706;1437576604;mircea_popescu;recruit young women in the "Fuck army", as per http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/ ? 1209707;1437576605;assbot;The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxR3lb ) 1209708;1437576612;mircea_popescu;just as long as it makes everyone livid, it's got a shot. 1209709;1437576679;mircea_popescu;sexual mercantilism is definitely going to come back in a major way, seeing how a) it's fundamental to black culture (as opposed to muslim culture) which is a major cultural war raging right now that white dudes know jack about ; b) there is no redeeming value to males atm outside of access to resources. 1209710;1437576691;mircea_popescu;no strength no knowledge no will no nothing. so they're gonna be paying. 1209711;1437576695;asciilifeform;l0l what resources 1209712;1437576706;asciilifeform;biodiesel ? 1209713;1437576715;mircea_popescu;their problem. 1209714;1437576879;asciilifeform;what is the 'cultural war' referenced earlier? 1209715;1437576885;asciilifeform;brothel vs harem ? 1209716;1437576891;mircea_popescu;not quite. let's see... 1209717;1437576950;mircea_popescu;the african view on women, somewhat seen in things like "bros before hos" is that they are a numerary commodity. the muslim view on women, somewhat visible in burkas et all, is that they are a funciary commodity. to use the terminology suggested by our young friend with a california shop to be. 1209718;1437576954;mircea_popescu;dja understand the distinction ? 1209719;1437576969;asciilifeform;fungibility ? 1209720;1437576996;mircea_popescu;not exactly. no muslim would try to provide his social proof by lining up a bunch of women behind him. 1209721;1437577015;mircea_popescu;which is why young men are treated that certain way in islam. gotta have a numerary commodity, and money can't be it. 1209722;1437577022;mircea_popescu;(because they're retarded) 1209723;1437577024;asciilifeform;('bros before hos' (tm) (r) is not strictly african, but almost literally exists as a maxim among ru outlaw folks) 1209724;1437577032;mircea_popescu;russians are african. 1209725;1437577038;asciilifeform;aha in that sense, yes! 1209726;1437577041;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1209727;1437577045;asciilifeform;orc 1209728;1437577065;mircea_popescu;whereas muslims, contrary to the bum job they're getting, are actually quite consumately decadent. 1209729;1437577076;mircea_popescu;golden crescent, a sort of its very own rhine valley. 1209730;1437577105;mircea_popescu;anyway. a funciary commodity, ie like land in medieval europe, is the good that makes all other goods. 1209731;1437577121;mircea_popescu;a numerary commodity, ie money in jewish europe, is the good that measures all other goods. 1209732;1437577146;mircea_popescu;there are numerous points where these orthogonal concerns come into objective conflict, which is always resolved culturally. 1209733;1437577161;mircea_popescu;wherein hitting an idiot over the head repeatedly is patently a cultural process. 1209734;1437577253;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is kinda why putin is so amusing to me personally. he's basically trying to preach a jewish sort of islam to russians! 1209735;1437577260;mircea_popescu;it's the laugh of all time. 1209736;1437577277;mircea_popescu;"oh but look how successful it made me! i can do 50 pushups and eat a bear!" "mmmmkay...." 1209737;1437577316;asciilifeform;can name one other non-emasculated head of state today ? 1209738;1437577325;mircea_popescu;i do not hold it against him. 1209739;1437577331;mircea_popescu;just, it's funny, what do you want from me. 1209740;1437577387;asciilifeform;just about anything to do with orcs is auto-funny 1209741;1437577426;*;asciilifeform bbl 1209742;1437577596;mircea_popescu;anyway. there are distinction. the ru prison theme is "vodka and women / look what they reduce us to". not exactly the same thing. 1209743;1437577637;mircea_popescu;a lot more chtonic, the entire "the pink hole's the hole the night comes through" sorta thing. 1209744;1437578725;mod6;So in addition to lastnight's script I posted [ pulls down ascii's latest patches (up through -verifyall) and applies them to v0.5.3.1 ], I've got an updated one that i've just tested & worked for me on x86-64 gentoo w/glibc: http://dpaste.com/2F68T3F.txt 1209745;1437578726;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfo21M ) 1209746;1437578789;mod6;This one will do the same as the one before, except this will create the dirs, pull the 3rd party packages, and build "stator" directly though this script. Please read the script. `realpath`, `gnupg` and `curl` are required. 1209747;1437578820;liquidassets;mircea_popescu this cultural war where women are thought to be numerar or funciara is this to say a cultural war where one side is trade for trades sake (pecunia non olet) and the other side is more like fuck your money death before dishonor! Either way with men being the agent either trading women or claiming them as their own as in free hold absolutely. 1209748;1437578869;mircea_popescu;i will need that in the form of a question. 1209749;1437578965;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a7f8d0fb0b9bfa6e1223f94cab35021a/tumblr_mxmsee7yOx1s56qg6o1_1280.png 1209750;1437578967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MIiCeM ) 1209751;1437579022;liquidassets;is a funciary commodity something you hold as a free hold absolute as you would property? 1209752;1437579081;liquidassets;is this the distinction between numerar which is about being fungible and easily traded? 1209753;1437579103;mircea_popescu;you're not making any sense. 1209754;1437579146;mircea_popescu;a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ? 1209755;1437579333;mircea_popescu;in other words : forget whether you own it or don't own it. the cogent question is, do you want it ? 1209756;1437579781;shinohai;nice going mod6 on the gentoo build 1209757;1437580028;mod6;shinohai: thx. 1209758;1437580069;mod6;i tried it on gentoo, but should build on other x86-64 linux distro's i'd think. 1209759;1437580286;mod6;s/'// 1209760;1437580350;liquidassets;property only entered into it when I tried looking up meaning to funciary commodity. Yes, the "do you want it?" seems to be the question. Thanks MP always a pleasure 1209761;1437580400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79093 @ 0.00054805 = 43.3469 BTC [-] 1209762;1437581774;mod6;er. well i missed an `echo` statement in that last one -- didn't seem to complain on my side anyway, but here's a corrected one: http://dpaste.com/0S2D9YV.txt 1209763;1437581775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQOfJM ) 1209764;1437581801;mod6;Doesn't make that much of a difference. I'm working on a patched bundle now anyway. 1209765;1437582170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 323674 @ 0.00057705 = 186.7761 BTC [+] {4} 1209766;1437582449;mircea_popescu;liquidassets funciary comes from fonsier, "issu de l'ancien franais fonds". it's just another way to say "fundamental" (same root these two) 1209767;1437582537;mircea_popescu;and to illustrate the concept, i give you enraged superwoman. http://33.media.tumblr.com/74b24ac4bfdd42d54a2b22b9451314cb/tumblr_mqx2cpQytp1ra163eo1_500.gif 1209768;1437582538;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IenTGC ) 1209769;1437583452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71850 @ 0.00058753 = 42.214 BTC [+] {2} 1209770;1437584360;mod6;!up ascii_field 1209771;1437584371;mircea_popescu;!up johnsilver 1209772;1437584854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.000595 = 4.9397 BTC [+] 1209773;1437585098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00059581 = 29.7905 BTC [+] 1209774;1437585647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93017 @ 0.00055094 = 51.2468 BTC [-] {5} 1209775;1437585880;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-07-2015#1203888 < at least one of their mining addresses https://blockchain.info/address/1MoYfV4U61wqTPTHCyedzFmvf2o3uys2Ua 1209776;1437585880;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 01:50:46; asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash. 1209777;1437585881;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1MoYfV4U61wqTPTHCyedzFmvf2o3uys2Ua ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkKMhR ) 1209778;1437586074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34733 @ 0.00052927 = 18.3831 BTC [-] 1209779;1437586266;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209185 << i can't find this key in use anywhere 1209780;1437586266;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 03:04:19; assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 02:22:29; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1209781;1437586654;danielpbarron;;;later tell liquidassets http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209510 << see also: http://www.atruechurch.info/debt.html 1209782;1437586654;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 10:13:11; liquidassets: danielpbarron: Actually this story works really well 1209783;1437586655;assbot;A True Church - Debt ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkMXSw ) 1209784;1437586655;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1209785;1437588636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156734 @ 0.00052755 = 82.685 BTC [-] {3} 1209786;1437588880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00054045 = 23.0772 BTC [+] 1209787;1437588982;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1209788;1437588997;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209779 << you won't - it is a fraudulent key 1209789;1437588997;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 17:31:06; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209185 << i can't find this key in use anywhere 1209790;1437589007;ascii_field;the original was, iirc, used to sign winblowz pgp updates 1209791;1437589734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69205 @ 0.00054045 = 37.4018 BTC [+] 1209792;1437589894;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/incitatus.pcap.gz 1209793;1437589899;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1209794;1437589901;ascii_field;mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^ 1209795;1437589902;ascii_field;mats ^ 1209796;1437589910;ascii_field;anybody who knows with what to eat a pcap. 1209797;1437590059;nubbins`;my old fencing instructor fell victim to a knife attack in california a couple days ago o.O 1209798;1437590226;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/st-john-s-prof-in-serious-condition-after-attack-in-california-that-left-2-dead-1.3162834 1209799;1437590227;assbot;St. John's prof in serious condition after attack in California that left 2 dead - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJC5ul ) 1209800;1437590283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152711 @ 0.0005264 = 80.3871 BTC [-] {2} 1209801;1437590344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11689 @ 0.00052453 = 6.1312 BTC [-] 1209802;1437590811;mod6;ah cool, thx 1209803;1437590858;mod6;!up ascii_field 1209804;1437590875;mod6;i'm looking at it now... 1209805;1437590904;ascii_field;nubbins`: reads, i must confess, quite like those 'eaten by friend's dog' reports 1209806;1437590939;ascii_field;'mr woodchipper was always such a friendly animal' 1209807;1437590958;ascii_field;'nobody could have foreseen' (tm) (r) 1209808;1437591363;mod6;did you ever restart nsl? 1209809;1437591390;mod6;archive.today appears 52681 times 1209810;1437591686;hanbot;mod6> hanbot: so, this might help you, it's worth a read through anyway -- it's a script that I created to pull down v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and then add ascii's recent patches up through verifyall [ read the script for all that are applied ]: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt << neat deal on this & the latter scripts. my mission is to build based on the inferred instructions here tho': http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html . is th 1209811;1437591688;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjK0Sy ) 1209812;1437591689;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn ) 1209813;1437591689;hanbot;at too much gruntwork iyo? 1209814;1437591834;*;mod6 looks 1209815;1437591834;trinque;oh btw, libressl build got stuck 1209816;1437591838;trinque;lemme see where 1209817;1437591844;mod6;ya, post log thx 1209818;1437591990;mod6;hanbot: ok so to complete your mission. you'll need a x86-64 / glibc linux environment - gentoo is great, others ok probably too. 1209819;1437591995;mod6;Then.. 1209820;1437592003;mircea_popescu;;;later tell aquentin simmer the fuck down and learn how to use the tools. 1209821;1437592004;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1209822;1437592006;trinque;my gentoo would not build, so I used the VM 1209823;1437592008;trinque;mod6: ^ 1209824;1437592010;mircea_popescu;friggin add generation it's unheard of. 1209825;1437592032;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/dc80904f3b46a3cbbee5de45b0e8118d/tumblr_n3i98lVubS1rpyus3o1_500.gif 1209826;1437592033;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoC96V ) 1209827;1437592065;mod6;trinque: what do you mean that gentoo wouldn't build? like OS itself from our guide? or you couldnt build stator on there? 1209828;1437592093;trinque;the latter 1209829;1437592097;mod6;hanbot: pull down http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150627/stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz & http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150627/stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig 1209830;1437592098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoCeri ) 1209831;1437592098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoCeHA ) 1209832;1437592109;trinque;didn't want to bother with why, so I built in the VM then copied the binary out 1209833;1437592112;mod6;stick them in a directory like `sandbox` 1209834;1437592154;mod6;once pulled down do this `sha1sum stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig` and ensure that the output hashes match what's embedded in the file name. 1209835;1437592158;mod6;then... 1209836;1437592234;mod6;run this to pull ascii's key: `gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0xB98228A001ABFFC7` 1209837;1437592270;mod6;then `mv stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz stator.tar.gz` and `mv stator_72424e6da0f81aea5ab09165c377fd8b7418983f.tar.gz.sig stator.tar.gz.sig` 1209838;1437592280;mod6;(if you don't do that last step, you can not verify the sig) 1209839;1437592284;mod6;next 1209840;1437592292;mod6;`gpg --verify stator.tar.gz.sig` 1209841;1437592377;trinque;mod6: http://deedbot.org/bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc 1209842;1437592396;mod6;ok thx trinque, one sec. 1209843;1437592399;mod6;next 1209844;1437592401;trinque;yeah, whenever 1209845;1437592411;mod6;cd stator/distfiles 1209846;1437592424;mod6;and run these to pull down OpenSSL/BDB/Boost: 1209847;1437592436;mod6;`curl "http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz" -s -o openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz` 1209848;1437592456;mod6;`curl "http://download.oracle.com/berkeley-db/db-4.8.30.tar.gz" -s -o db-4.8.30.tar.gz` 1209849;1437592459;hanbot;(to be clear, by inferred instructions i mean v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches as asciilifeform outlined here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209307 ) 1209850;1437592459;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 03:52:21; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000088.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000098.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000100.html + http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev 1209851;1437592487;mircea_popescu;hanbot once delving into it, this proves to be anything but straightforward i surmise ? 1209852;1437592539;mod6;ok. so the stator tarball contains all of the relivant packages. I think by linking you to all of his patches are applied therein. 1209853;1437592552;mod6;err s/packages/patches 1209854;1437592593;hanbot;mircea_popescu well in my technically handicapped judgement, which may or may not be a viewpoint worth considering 1209855;1437592593;mod6;that was poorly worded. i wouldn't bother trying to go through that list of emails unless what you want to do is this: download & extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and go through every email, one by one, and patch by hand. 1209856;1437592627;trinque;could just read all the patches in that script you did 1209857;1437592629;mod6;which is totally doable. there are like ~12 patches up through -verify all 1209858;1437592650;hanbot;mod6 that's exactly what i want to do. after all, the mailing list is the reference point, no? 1209859;1437592650;mircea_popescu;mod6 well look, it's not a meaningless problem. "what's the reader supposed to do". going through the list and following the tree seems sensible. 1209860;1437592688;mod6;!up ascii_field 1209861;1437592706;hanbot;(not every single patch on the mailing list, just the 8 needed for stator) 1209862;1437592737;mod6;it is a reference point. the good news is, most of the patches that depend on other patches are linked backwards in the emails (by ascii) and have notes that say "depended upon by how many years does it take ffs. << I like ffs, just works 1209935;1437595011;indiancandy1;soo 1209936;1437595012;indiancandy1;erm 1209937;1437595377;BingoBoingo;For posterity the case of the prosecutor who declines to files charges against Clerk Cook, a self professed libertarian who likes to use police violence as a political weapon https://archive.is/ChrKw 1209938;1437595378;assbot;Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1g6aavz ) 1209939;1437595654;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo you get my pgp-gram/qntra submission ? 1209940;1437595688;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yeah, just waking up 1209941;1437595693;pete_dushenski;"The Speed Week races that draw hundreds of racing teams from around the world to Utah's famous salt flats were canceled for the second consecutive year because of wet conditions." << moar climate change eh 1209942;1437595706;phf;connected to incitatus few minutes ago, got verack, version and handful inv's. now it's timeouting again 1209943;1437595707;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo all good. 1209944;1437595922;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/20/ashley-madison-data-breach-time-to-buy-bitcoin/#comment-267877 1209945;1437595923;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Ashley Madison data breach: time to buy Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oy02Hs ) 1209946;1437595970;pete_dushenski;^realised after i shoulda referenced hanbot's article too. alas ! 1209947;1437595970;scoopbot_revived;"Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death http://qntra.net/2015/07/entertainment-system-vulnerability-turns-vehicles-into-hot-death/ 1209948;1437595984;pete_dushenski;lol @ qntra title. 1209949;1437596002;pete_dushenski;why 'hot' death ? 1209950;1437596005;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That's what Editors are for 1209951;1437596014;pete_dushenski;this is true 1209952;1437596017;BingoBoingo;"Hot Death" sounds cool, very action movie 1209953;1437596039;pete_dushenski;sounds like vehicle was left out in the sun with the windows rolled up 1209954;1437596099;BingoBoingo;Perhaps it's a cultural thing 1209955;1437596106;pete_dushenski;anyways, such are the perils of turning cars into computers. 1209956;1437596120;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo nah nah i get it, it makes sense :) 1209957;1437596524;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field 1209958;1437596932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00055299 = 17.9169 BTC [-] 1209959;1437598367;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/randizuckerberg/status/623880202548965376 << bwahha wish tlp could see this shit. randi hosting a bitcoin panel on satellite radio 1209960;1437598389;pete_dushenski;relevant : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/01/randi_zuckerberg.html 1209961;1437598391;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Randi Zuckerberg Thinks We Should Untangle Our Wired Lives ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLRBJ ) 1209962;1437598416;pete_dushenski;also : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/03/who_can_know_how_much_randi_zu.html 1209963;1437598418;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Who Can Know How Much Randi Zuckerberg Is Worth? ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLUxe ) 1209964;1437598823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00054538 = 32.7228 BTC [-] 1209965;1437598852;trinque;so, we're going to try Brennan for the murder of Michael Hastings now, right? 1209966;1437598912;BingoBoingo;Which Brennan? 1209967;1437598969;trinque;that lurch-looking one that heads up the KG...er... CIA 1209968;1437599006;trinque;iirc there's ample evidence to suggest Hastings was working on a story on him when he went for a long drive on a short road 1209969;1437599067;trinque;BingoBoingo: oddly, his wife said she'd release what he had 'soon' in interviews after his death 1209970;1437599071;trinque;then... nada 1209971;1437599082;BingoBoingo;Ah 1209972;1437599088;trinque;https://reason.com/blog/2013/08/13/michael-hastings-was-investigating-john 1209973;1437599090;assbot;Michael Hastings Was Investigating John Brennan's Role in Press Crackdown Before His Death - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeMJpV ) 1209974;1437599113;trinque;chick was really oddly smiley in interviews 1209975;1437599128;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elise_Jordan 1209976;1437599128;assbot;Elise Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeMMSz ) 1209977;1437599178;trinque;notably worked for the national security council, that group of bureaucrats that decides which pakistani kids are going to die today by robotic death from above 1209978;1437599230;trinque;Due to Hastings ongoing investigations of CIA chief John Brennan and previous critical investigations of other well known figures, there was speculation of foul play.[9] Jordan played a role in clearing up speculations about her husband's death as being nothing more than a "tragic accident". 1209979;1437599231;trinque;bahhahaha 1209980;1437599239;trinque;oh you cleared it up, Elise? 1209981;1437599264;trinque;yeah, everything's crystal clear. 1209982;1437599363;trinque;https://tribfox40.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/john-brennan.jpg << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face? 1209983;1437599366;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeNcID ) 1209984;1437599370;trinque;I tend to think there's something to that. 1209985;1437599450;BingoBoingo;I merely asked which Brennan hoping that you might have a connection between the Hastings murder and St. Clair County State's Attourney Brennan Kelly who has declined to prosecute fake Libertarian Dallas Cook for his felony. 1209986;1437599478;trinque;ah 1209987;1437599904;BingoBoingo;Just standard county bumpkin hypocrisy. Keep my misdemeanor case in limbo because they lack evidence while giving some village clerk dude a pussy pass for a politically motivated felony committed with malice. 1209988;1437600109;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1209989;1437600116;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.66, vol: 9483.04600052 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 272.23, vol: 5591.88464 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 276.87, vol: 12326.91096504 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 5.56044756 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 275.165244, vol: 12451.89750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 276.3772, vol: 22.56746777 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 279.731199989, vol: 82.963955 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1209990;1437600216;BingoBoingo;;;more 1209991;1437600216;gribble;275.645884428 1209992;1437600577;funkenstein_;re: hastings, uconnect: "boston brakes" is the term used in reportage by veteranstoday and others 1209993;1437600714;trinque;heh, not bad 1209994;1437600731;trinque;!up bosma 1209995;1437601080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300646 @ 0.00054123 = 162.7186 BTC [-] {3} 1209996;1437601320;scoopbot_revived;Grooveshark Cofounder Dead at 28 http://qntra.net/2015/07/grooveshark-cofounder-dead-at-28/ 1209997;1437601426;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/FzHM9 and https://archive.is/lspvC 1209998;1437601427;assbot;Grooveshark Cofounder Dead at 28 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSAAb1 ) 1209999;1437601427;assbot;"Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSAzUo ) 1210000;1437601825;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209982 << myup. 'physiognomy' 1210001;1437601825;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 21:09:23; trinque: https://tribfox40.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/john-brennan.jpg << wasn't it a greek notion that you could know a person's character by their face? 1210002;1437601874;pete_dushenski;popular most recently with nazis and southern gentlemen 1210003;1437601884;trinque;ha, which am I?! 1210004;1437601909;pete_dushenski;look in the mirror and find out ? 1210005;1437601920;trinque;!b 4 1210006;1437601920;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DENS1E.txt ) 1210007;1437601982;pete_dushenski;'tis the true mark of a professional : self-assessment 1210008;1437602117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53450 @ 0.00052427 = 28.0222 BTC [-] {2} 1210009;1437602300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17354 @ 0.00053124 = 9.2191 BTC [+] 1210010;1437602751;mod6;alright trinque. 1210011;1437602842;mod6;looks like you made it 1500 blocks before you started seeing the nonstandard txin 1210012;1437603009;mod6;ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail 1210013;1437603009;scoopbot_revived;The lessons of the Shoah. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/22/the-lessons-of-the-shoah/ 1210014;1437603061;mod6;this tx: fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d 1210015;1437603114;trinque;mod6: so just let it run? 1210016;1437603125;mod6;nope. you're wedged. 1210017;1437603129;trinque;ah, balls 1210018;1437603159;trinque;I'll investigate further and verify whether it's libressl 1210019;1437603175;trinque;BingoBoingo: which version of libressl were you successful using, and was that with an existing chain or one started from scratch? 1210020;1437603380;mod6;so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001 1210021;1437603593;gernika;mod6 interesting that I ran into that on OpenBSD once, but got around it on a second try, not using libressl. 1210022;1437603593;scoopbot_revived;Counterfeit Coupon Dealer Pleads Guilty http://qntra.net/2015/07/counterfeit-coupon-dealer-pleads-guilty/ 1210023;1437603619;trinque;mod6: so this may be an example of relying on an openssl bug? 1210024;1437603647;BingoBoingo;trinque: I did 2.0 from scratch and right now 2.1 is working on an existing chain 1210025;1437603675;trinque;this was 2.2.1 1210026;1437603752;BingoBoingo;Ah, I'm not running -current and have no ideas what changes it might have 1210027;1437603791;trinque;http://deedbot.com/ << lol, who is this? 1210028;1437603792;assbot;deedBot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ehxPr9 ) 1210029;1437604172;trinque;ah 'tis punkman 1210030;1437604313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00052421 = 10.2745 BTC [-] {2} 1210031;1437604435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83293 @ 0.00052994 = 44.1403 BTC [+] 1210032;1437604493;mod6;gernika: hmm, remember what openssl version & block number? was it our Reference Implementation? feel free to post a log like trinque did next time. 1210033;1437604520;mod6;In other news, I have 6 automated tests. This is pretty neat. 1210034;1437604526;trinque;nice. 1210035;1437605192;punkman;trinque: nope 1210036;1437605199;trinque;oh really? 1210037;1437605235;trinque;weird. 1210038;1437605242;punkman;well the github link's mine 1210039;1437605248;punkman;domain is Ragnar's 1210040;1437605262;trinque;ah, k 1210041;1437605275;trinque;mistyped my own and was bemused at the elephant 1210042;1437605284;punkman;;;seen RagnarDanneskjol 1210043;1437605285;gribble;RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42 1210044;1437605411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00052385 = 32.8978 BTC [-] {3} 1210045;1437605437;punkman;re:physiognomy, kinda fun book http://www.amazon.com/The-Physiognomy-Well-Built-City-Trilogy/dp/1930846533 1210046;1437605439;assbot;The Physiognomy (The Well-Built City Trilogy): Jeffrey Ford: 9781930846531: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Im2bH1 ) 1210047;1437605546;trinque;neat, looks to be one you can get used for peanuts on amazon 1210048;1437605685;punkman;finished the new Fargo series, was pretty good 1210049;1437606257;pete_dushenski;weird that RagnarDanneskjol linked to the nakamoto knock-off of mp's gpg contracts article instead of teh original 1210050;1437606372;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/19/porscheflation-and-the-death-of-automotive-purity/#comment-23778 << cazalla wins the elusive and much sought after 'contravex footnote reader' award :D 1210051;1437606374;assbot;Porscheflation and the death of automotive purity. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Im3JAT ) 1210052;1437606409;cazalla;pete_dushenski, ha thanks, any idea if boy or girl yet? 1210053;1437606449;pete_dushenski;i'll be damned if it isn't a boy 1210054;1437606480;pete_dushenski;saves me from pumping out 5 girls or something just to get that one name-bearer ! 1210055;1437606535;cazalla;i am grateful my first was a boy, hoping the next will be too 1210056;1437606614;cazalla;for some reason i thought you were a bachelor 1210057;1437606650;pete_dushenski;cazalla that reputation is well cultivated ;) 1210058;1437606673;pete_dushenski;!up julmac 1210059;1437606990;pete_dushenski;how goes julmac ? 1210060;1437607164;mod6;hey this is good thing: http://dpaste.com/2EMM9H3.txt 1210061;1437607166;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ehEXnm ) 1210062;1437607170;mod6;asciilifeform: ^^ 1210063;1437607292;pete_dushenski;o hey wd. 1210064;1437607500;trinque;pete_dushenski: congrats and best wishes on fatherhood. 1210065;1437607524;pete_dushenski;cheers :D 1210066;1437607557;gernika;mod6 stator, openssl-1.0.1g. 1210067;1437607577;pete_dushenski;trinque i'm already practising the not sleeping lifestyle 1210068;1437607806;trinque;yep, probably going to need that skill 1210069;1437607820;trinque;though I'm told I mostly slept like a rock 1210070;1437607829;trinque;still do, too 1210071;1437608753;hanbot;does anyone have or know where i can get a glibc-static deb package? 1210072;1437608902;hanbot;mazel tov pete_dushenski 1210073;1437608956;pete_dushenski;hanbot why thank you :) 1210074;1437608980;*;pete_dushenski 's jaw is getting sore from smiling 1210075;1437609185;trinque;hanbot: glibc should already be on there; it is the C standard library most commonly in use on linux 1210076;1437609213;trinque;"static" would be in reference to how your bitcoind is built against it and other libraries 1210077;1437609243;trinque;that said I could be wrong, and perhaps the files required to statically link are in a separate package 1210078;1437609265;trinque;apt-cache search is useful for finding packages 1210079;1437609387;trinque;I want to say it's called libc6 on debian, and I don't see a separate static pkg 1210080;1437609620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76700 @ 0.0005341 = 40.9655 BTC [+] {2} 1210081;1437609659;trinque;you'll need libc6-dev for the headers and whatnot 1210082;1437609671;trinque;probably pulled in by that build-essential package 1210083;1437610169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20695 @ 0.00054057 = 11.1871 BTC [+] 1210084;1437610363;hanbot;trinque have libc6-dev, no idea if that's sufficient for ref imp building purposes. build-essential doesn't seem to have any explicit reference to static flavoring either. 1210085;1437610426;hanbot;if glibc on its own is insufficent tho, i have little faith libc6-dev without the -static moniker would work 1210086;1437610518;trinque;hanbot: see 8.3 here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html 1210087;1437610519;assbot;Debian Policy Manual - Shared libraries ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jga8wj ) 1210088;1437610580;trinque;build-essential is a big meta-package which only serves to depend on many of the other packages necessary for compiling things 1210089;1437610821;hanbot;aha, that link is a great lead, bless you trinque. 1210090;1437610872;trinque;np 1210091;1437610878;trinque;https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libc6-dev/filelist << the .a files are the ones 1210092;1437610880;assbot;Debian -- File list of package libc6-dev/jessie/amd64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgaCTg ) 1210093;1437612325;shinohai;I have rebuilt boost, made symlinks, and recited pages from The Necronomicon, but still cannot get rid of /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_filesystem 1210094;1437613022;mod6;<+gernika> mod6 stator, openssl-1.0.1g. << what did you do to get around this? 1210095;1437613268;ben_vulpes;hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html 1210096;1437613269;assbot;[BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build reference implementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlPThQ ) 1210097;1437613323;trinque;ben_vulpes: neat, looks great 1210098;1437613349;trinque;mind if I bolt my gcov stuff to it later in the week? 1210099;1437613355;gernika;mod6 I changed nothing :( 1210100;1437613355;ben_vulpes;"patches welcome" 1210101;1437613407;trinque;bonus points for using push/popd 1210102;1437613444;ben_vulpes;only sane way to manage implicit state of shell imho 1210103;1437613494;trinque;yup, keeps one from littering information about path structure throughout the script 1210104;1437613505;ben_vulpes;defensive bash programming 1210105;1437613512;ben_vulpes;i'm down to a single finger and i intend to kepe it 1210106;1437613527;mod6;gernika: you just restarted it and then it it verified the sig? 1210107;1437613580;gernika;mod6 I set a new (empty) datadir and started over. 1210108;1437613811;mod6;we saw stuff like that before with the 168`001 Verify Signature fail too. most of the time it failed for us... the three of us who were independantly testing it. But sometimes, it'd pass. Maybe 30% of the time. I was pulling my hair out. 1210109;1437613832;mod6;any idea what block number it was? or txid? 1210110;1437613854;gernika;I have the last block 1210111;1437613863;gernika;Not sure how to get the txid 1210112;1437613868;mod6;do you hvae the log? 1210113;1437613875;gernika;I have the debug log yes 1210114;1437613892;mod6;nice. put it somewhere for me to look at. 1210115;1437613951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20646 @ 0.00052785 = 10.898 BTC [-] 1210116;1437614013;punkman;trinque: at which block did libressl barf? 1210117;1437614043;mod6;<+mod6> ok so those happen a bit... then you hit block 124`275 and then fail to verify a tx in block 124`276 to no avail 1210118;1437614045;gernika;mod6 http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/debug.log 1210119;1437614050;mod6;<+mod6> this tx: fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d 1210120;1437614059;mod6;thanks gernika 1210121;1437614068;gernika;np 1210122;1437614121;trinque;punkman: 124276 1210123;1437614125;gernika;mod6 let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with this. Would suck if x% of pogos wedged at 168001 1210124;1437614127;trinque;er yeah, 275 1210125;1437614130;trinque;mistyped 1210126;1437614176;mod6;it didn't barf on 124`275 1210127;1437614181;punkman;trinque: yeah I think I got stuck at the same block using some other openssl version 1210128;1437614188;trinque;mod6: right, that was the last that worked 1210129;1437614190;mod6;it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276 1210130;1437614218;trinque;I can try a few other libressl versions later tonight, I think 1210131;1437614261;punkman;trinque, you could recompile and make it skip that one, find the next weird one 1210132;1437614261;mod6;for us we thought that the 168`001 verify signature issue at first was due to the fact that 168`000 is the last checkpoint. but totally unrelated. threw us off for a bit though. 1210133;1437614283;trinque;I ran with verifyall btw 1210134;1437614355;mod6;that's good. 1210135;1437614403;punkman;hmm, so what's special about this one I wonder, http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d 1210136;1437614403;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRy75 ) 1210137;1437614423;mod6;my one gentoo (all ascii's patches through verifyall x86-64/glibc) build got all the way up to where nsl is wedged. but my openbsd one is crawling along on verify all also... so far: height=220047 1210138;1437614475;mod6;punkman: good q. 1210139;1437614479;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000130.html << panzers: snipped some assperimental macos turds 1210140;1437614480;assbot;[BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build referenceimplementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRDra ) 1210141;1437614505;mod6;gernika: sure, we should be beyond that now with 1.0.1g but, we'll see. 1210142;1437614526;punkman;tx is here btw https://gist.github.com/jgilmour/6215961 1210143;1437614528;assbot;Bitcoin secureRandom affected address list - #1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRFPT ) 1210144;1437614561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52221 @ 0.00052945 = 27.6484 BTC [+] {2} 1210145;1437614649;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, frere 1210146;1437614649;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210147;1437614682;punkman;http://hdiff.luite.com/cgit/haskoin/commit?id=0.1.0 "-- Signature in input of txid fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d Strange DER sizes. But in Blockchain" 1210148;1437614683;assbot;haskoin/ - haskoin - http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnkiPM ) 1210149;1437614837;mod6;holy yikes gernika 1210150;1437614878;mod6;you got wedged on the 168`001 block? aka: you were stuck on block 168`000 according to this.. although, i dont' as of yet see a Verify Signature failure in here... 1210151;1437614912;hanbot;so .deb package checked against .rpm file list shows libc_stubs.a missing, the other eleven are present. debian says no .deb packages contain this guy. i'm assuming i need it. auto.sh still errorful after grabbing everything else here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209888 (errorflurry: http://dpaste.com/26ZEG17 ). doesn't look like that missing library has anything to do with it, but prolly problematic down the line? 1210152;1437614912;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 19:26:16; ascii_field: yum install gcc libstdc++ gcc-c++ glibc-static 1210153;1437614915;assbot;dpaste: 26ZEG17 ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnkyy7 ) 1210154;1437614984;hanbot;(in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210086) 1210155;1437614984;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 00:15:18; trinque: hanbot: see 8.3 here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html 1210156;1437614993;gernika;mod6 correct it just ... got stuck 1210157;1437615026;mod6;and in your memory you don't remember seeing the "Verify Signature failure" in there? 1210158;1437615031;trinque;hanbot: dunno, I tend to stick to gentoo 1210159;1437615063;*;trinque looks at pastes 1210160;1437615066;mod6;This goes for all: If you get wedged for some reason while running the R.I. please stop in and ask right away. Back up the debug.log for us too plz. 1210161;1437615073;gernika;mod6 restarting on the same blockchain didn't help 1210162;1437615084;mod6;im sure it didn't. that's really bad. 1210163;1437615097;mod6;s/that's/this is/ 1210164;1437615098;gernika;mod6 I wasn't looking for it, but no I don't recall seeing it 1210165;1437615114;mod6;hmm. alright. 1210166;1437615123;mod6;well, if you see it again, let us know. thanks! 1210167;1437615131;trinque;hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db 1210168;1437615163;mod6;punkman: good find 1210169;1437615186;trinque;hanbot: it may be helpful to change the script at the top, where it says /bin/sh, changing to /bin/sh -e 1210170;1437615205;trinque;it will then at least bail out at the first error, will otherwise happily derp past errors to the next command 1210171;1437615207;mod6;if you need to check that you have indeed statically linked in openssl 1.0.1g into your binary, you can do this: hexdump -C bitcoind | grep "1.0.1g" 1210172;1437615207;BingoBoingo;https://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=143760023528979&w=2 1210173;1437615209;assbot;'Re: Keyboard Interactive Attack?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlSEQj ) 1210174;1437615216;mod6;that /should/ tell the tale 1210175;1437615361;hanbot; hanbot: explosions suggest you are missing (or it can't find) boost openssl and db << this, despite " Found 'openssl-1.0.1g', skipping... Found 'db-4.8.30', skipping... Found 'boost_1_52_0', skipping..." ? 1210176;1437615473;trinque;hanbot: yep, because those messages are coming from commands in the build script, whereas further down there are warnings galore of missing headers 1210177;1437615502;trinque;which are coming from the compiler 1210178;1437615545;ben_vulpes;hanbot: i put my little kalash together to address some of the pain you're experiencing 1210179;1437615744;hanbot;ben_vulpes very cool. as said earlier, i'm explicitly going the "painful" route 'cause that's what stator ml post describes. i'd love to use the tools you & mod6 have put up --just, not the point of this specific exercise 1210180;1437615756;hanbot;which i'm not sure will work out, but gotta try 1210181;1437615812;ben_vulpes;gl 1210182;1437615813;ben_vulpes;hf 1210183;1437615963;hanbot;hehe ty. 1210184;1437615964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118728 @ 0.00053991 = 64.1024 BTC [+] {2} 1210185;1437616086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00054077 = 27.6874 BTC [+] {2} 1210186;1437616147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00054078 = 20.0359 BTC [+] 1210187;1437616354;scoopbot_revived;Brute Force for keyboard-interactive OpenSSH Logins Discovered http://qntra.net/2015/07/brute-force-for-keyboard-interactive-openssh-logins-discovered/ 1210188;1437616440;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/3WiUG 1210189;1437616441;assbot;Brute Force for keyboard-interactive OpenSSH Logins Discovered | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlUfpg ) 1210190;1437616476;BingoBoingo;^ People demand knob with which to hang self from. Get hung from knob. 1210191;1437616841;hanbot;ben_vulpes ofc, the dependencies arguably sh/could be handled before someone lands on RI stuff. hm. i guess i'll have to self-debate a while. 1210192;1437616969;ben_vulpes;hanbot: i wrote it entirely fed up with doing this dance every. single. time. 1210193;1437616996;ben_vulpes;i now have a kalash that i can point at most linuxes, fire, and produce a static build 1210194;1437617245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62919 @ 0.0005418 = 34.0895 BTC [+] {2} 1210195;1437617495;hanbot;right. but then my question to you (& mod6 ) would be, if this is -the- way to get it done, should the RI be re-released to reflect that? though again, if the pain is in (reasonably straightforward) dependencies, rather than the release itself, i'd imagine that's another matter. 1210196;1437617611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126150 @ 0.00052366 = 66.0597 BTC [-] {2} 1210197;1437617638;hanbot;yeah, i think i'll user yer kalash to just get dependencies sussed before i revisit this notion. 1210198;1437618132;asciilifeform;tratatatata 1210199;1437618151;*;asciilifeform hands hanbot new mag 1210200;1437618206;*;asciilifeform sits and tries to figure out why it is that folks had to add anything to 'stator' to make it go 1210201;1437618227;asciilifeform;considering that it went, without any major changes, not only under gentoo but under the most wretched centos etc 1210202;1437618256;ben_vulpes;auto.sh has never worked well for me. 1210203;1437618261;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, incitatus is at full height 1210204;1437618265;asciilifeform;and mostly putters along. 1210205;1437618271;asciilifeform;24 connections. 1210206;1437618315;asciilifeform;i never really got the point of 'auto.sh' 1210207;1437618327;asciilifeform;are there really so many patches, that it is a major labour to verify them manually ? 1210208;1437618363;asciilifeform;they took days, in some cases, weeks, to write - 10sec./each to verify is too long? 1210209;1437618499;decimation;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zEH_vydUPPk/S48zqfAZfKI/AAAAAAAAACM/Og7E73HE62E/s1600-h/new_zone.gif < on the way to bombing romania (wwii) 1210210;1437618499;assbot;new_zone.gif (image) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWd8S ) 1210211;1437618515;ben_vulpes;there is working on the thing and distributing the thing 1210212;1437618529;ben_vulpes;and gradations between pogo and "to ml" 1210213;1437618534;decimation;I built stator on centos 1210214;1437618539;decimation;err, rhel6 just fine 1210215;1437618560;decimation;without mod (other than eater) 1210216;1437618579;asciilifeform;decimation: i have paper magazines somewhere with that picture in'em 1210217;1437618612;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1210020 << !!! 1210218;1437618612;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 22:16:20; mod6: so for the record, this is a "VerifySignature" failure, similar to that seen in February with 168`001 1210219;1437618616;asciilifeform;plz details ? 1210220;1437618679;decimation;my node (connected to 'zoolog' is almost to 316k, going faster now it seems) 1210221;1437618739;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1210060 << aha that's correct behaviour 1210222;1437618739;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 23:19:24; mod6: hey this is good thing: http://dpaste.com/2EMM9H3.txt 1210223;1437618776;trinque;asciilifeform: there's my debug.log a few lines up 1210224;1437618796;trinque;http://deedbot.org/bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc 1210225;1437618853;asciilifeform;woah 1210226;1437618856;asciilifeform;that's quite a few of'em 1210227;1437618928;mod6;<+asciilifeform> plz details ? << log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2015#1009754 1210228;1437618970;asciilifeform;^ did we ever determine the particular tx ? 1210229;1437618978;mod6;sure 1210230;1437618987;asciilifeform;link? 1210231;1437619019;mod6;sec 1210232;1437619026;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-07-2015#1210129 1210233;1437619026;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 01:16:30; mod6: it barfs on tx fb0a1d8d34fa5537e461ac384bac761125e1bfa7fec286fa72511240fa66864d in block 124`276 1210234;1437619038;mod6;http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c 1210235;1437619039;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWxVf ) 1210236;1437619042;asciilifeform;neh that's not 168001 1210237;1437619065;mod6;trinque: we're talking about the origina barf on 168`001 1210238;1437619070;trinque;ah, sorry 1210239;1437619100;mod6;1629931 ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed 1210240;1437619120;mod6;from my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx 1210241;1437619121;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlWBo3 ) 1210242;1437619337;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210095 << dearglub, that this is looooooooong 1210243;1437619337;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 01:01:08; ben_vulpes: hanbot, mod6, asciilifeform, nubbins`, and panzers at large: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html 1210244;1437619349;asciilifeform;whyohwhy 1210245;1437619394;asciilifeform;$ wc -l stator.sh 1210246;1437619394;asciilifeform;42 stator.sh 1210247;1437619401;asciilifeform;what was wrong with ^ that 1210248;1437619732;ben_vulpes;i said something was wrong with it? 1210249;1437619739;ben_vulpes;anyways, i'd written mine earlier. 1210250;1437619785;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMkPo2RGK28 1210251;1437619786;assbot;Chava Alberstein- Jewish partisan song with english subtitles - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXjBI ) 1210252;1437619786;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210253;1437619795;ben_vulpes;all of these "do this and then do that and then do the other thing" shell scripts that a) don't bail on error and b) aren't easily twiddled drive me up a wall. 1210254;1437619844;ben_vulpes;i wrote the kalash because it addresses needs of mine: being able to run arbitrary bits of the whole process 1210255;1437619853;ben_vulpes;don't like, don't use. 1210256;1437619859;asciilifeform;fair. 1210257;1437620295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152800 @ 0.0005228 = 79.8838 BTC [-] {2} 1210258;1437620296;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhlwy6d8vBk << not a bad likbez re: that other incident, also. 1210259;1437620297;assbot;To Live and Die with Honor: The Story of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Short - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXMnn ) 1210260;1437620297;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210261;1437620299;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/23/us-usa-biden-security-idUSKCN0PW2AG20150723 << the crime being "had a gun" 1210262;1437620300;assbot;Armed man arrested in LA where Biden was due to speak| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlXJrN ) 1210263;1437620359;trinque;I suppose he forgot to unload it, bad luck. 1210264;1437620372;asciilifeform;armed man arrested in munich where hitler was due to speak. 1210265;1437620392;asciilifeform;etc. 1210266;1437620432;mod6;ok i think i fixed the dumpblock param issue, but it'll hvae to wait until tomorrow or when i have a bit more time to test 1210267;1437620746;decimation;82.130.102.173 < keeps connecting and dropping to mine too 1210268;1437620938;BingoBoingo;http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/becoming-the-new-barbarians 1210269;1437620940;assbot;Becoming the New Barbarians — RADIX JOURNAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnzsA1 ) 1210270;1437621490;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'A las Barricadas! A las Barricadas! por el triunfo de la Confederacin.' (tm) (r) 1210271;1437621510;*;asciilifeform tripping on the fact that this existed 1210272;1437621520;mircea_popescu;o which reminds me. 1210273;1437621532;BingoBoingo;lol asciilifeform 1210274;1437621625;mircea_popescu;re "And so a better example for Syriza to follow, were they to suddenly stop being Europe's pathetic poodles and don the mantle of fearless, heroic revolutionaries, is still the good old Russian revolution of 1917." << one willing to eat up this dollop should best remember that socialist revolution failed. 1210275;1437621626;asciilifeform;Alza la bandera revolucionaria... 1210276;1437621637;mircea_popescu;it failed when che tried it abroad, and humiliatingly. it failed in castro's hands, at home. 1210277;1437621656;mircea_popescu;it failed in moscow as it failed in beijing - the successors are today more capitalist than hamilton, and for good reason. 1210278;1437621680;asciilifeform;eh that's sorta like saying that 'forest fire failed' - because there are still, somewhere, trees. 1210279;1437621690;mircea_popescu;socialism is still the doctrine of unadorned stupid, and it's still this in large things as it is this in small things - be it revolution or your daily dealings. stupid stays stupid. 1210280;1437621732;*;asciilifeform admires the audacity and virility of che et al separately from the peculiar follies of 20th c. mega-empires 1210281;1437621756;mircea_popescu;sure. 1210282;1437621771;asciilifeform;the 'blade of grass in the concrete' 1210283;1437621771;mircea_popescu;who'd women fuck screamingly is a good proxy for quality 1210284;1437621774;asciilifeform;to borrow a mircea_popescuism 1210285;1437621777;mircea_popescu;but it's notreally the same thing. just an exam 1210286;1437621796;asciilifeform;brezhnevobama - the concrete, yes 1210287;1437621798;asciilifeform;che - no. 1210288;1437621801;asciilifeform;grass. 1210289;1437621806;*;BingoBoingo was kinda sad when mega fire did not hit during mega drought year of 2012 here. Would have been good for the Morels. 1210290;1437621983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the virility, audacity etc aside, and the guy's very seductive smile aside - he wasn't very intelligent. 1210291;1437622004;mircea_popescu;this is a problem. and, much more importantly - he failed. he failed uniformly, predictably, throughout. hard to see past this. 1210292;1437622030;asciilifeform;the intelligent are sitting in some cellar, cranking out nth numerical approximations to schrodinger's eq. for system of five atoms. 1210293;1437622037;asciilifeform;not cutting throats 1210294;1437622040;mircea_popescu;meanwhile any random mexican cartel owner is right now out of jail and if he's in he's running a brothel of the guards. 1210295;1437622048;mircea_popescu;this is patently untrue. 1210296;1437622053;decimation;managed to get loads of betas in frats to wear his face 1210297;1437622064;mircea_popescu;decimation this is already suspicious. 1210298;1437622073;mircea_popescu;haven't seen that many lambs in lion tshirts so far. 1210299;1437622087;asciilifeform;i am broadly unconvinced that mr cartel is in any sense more intelligent than che. more narrowly focused, yes. 1210300;1437622101;mircea_popescu;i was speaking as to success. 1210301;1437622107;mircea_popescu;intelligence is a more... spiritual problem. 1210302;1437622109;trinque;I'm not much convinced che's anything other than a celebrity 1210303;1437622112;trinque;*was 1210304;1437622130;trinque;or that populist movements like that are at all desirable 1210305;1437622150;mircea_popescu;right. i suppose to bring this to an edge, we could ask alf to explain difference between jack warner and clark gable in terms of che. 1210306;1437622158;mircea_popescu;so whioch is he ? gable also had a "very seductive smile". 1210307;1437622162;mircea_popescu;and died broke if memory serves. 1210308;1437622167;asciilifeform;trinque: getting killed by a dedicated usg death squad is an exam of sorts. can one pass this exam and not be someone worth considering ? 1210309;1437622181;trinque;eh I could get myself done that way this evening if I wanted 1210310;1437622183;trinque;hehe 1210311;1437622186;trinque;but I see what you mean 1210312;1437622187;asciilifeform;DEDICATED 1210313;1437622190;asciilifeform;not some street cop 1210314;1437622205;asciilifeform;as in, folks who board five unmarked planes to get to where you're dug in 1210315;1437622213;trinque;I will admit to reading about various revolutions over the years wondering "where's mine?" 1210316;1437622221;*;BingoBoingo actually pretty pumped about hearing tomorrow 1210317;1437622228;*;asciilifeform has been wondering this since he was 4 y.o 1210318;1437622229;decimation;more likely: haho jump from the next border 1210319;1437622239;mircea_popescu;srsly ?! 1210320;1437622244;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you gonna blog about it ? 1210321;1437622255;trinque;asciilifeform: need "force amplifier" like your "mind amplifier" and forget about the derps 1210322;1437622271;trinque;I don't think anything good can come of anything which requires populist buy-in 1210323;1437622276;decimation;revolution is the last thing anyone should want 1210324;1437622283;asciilifeform;address all inquiries re: force multipliers to herr tesla 1210325;1437622284;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The aftermath likely. Dun want to tip the hand too early. 1210326;1437622289;decimation;a bunch of crazy egotist adventurers taking power 1210327;1437622308;mircea_popescu;trinque the better q, of course, being what are you going to say ? 1210328;1437622329;mircea_popescu;this entire "my revolution" thing seems to me a lot like "i wanna be on a stage, like carlin!" well ok. and to say what ? 1210329;1437622332;trinque;mircea_popescu: mhm, and I don't claim at this moment to have a proposal 1210330;1437622338;asciilifeform;'populist buy-in' is what we have now. 1210331;1437622340;mircea_popescu;then why'd you care ? 1210332;1437622350;mircea_popescu;a lot of thankless, boring work, that. 1210333;1437622353;phf;revolutions look like fun though, "we were trully free on the barricades", that's why all those bored aristocrats would travel to third world countries, if they failed to start shit up at home. positive long term effects not so much 1210334;1437622358;decimation;I like this 'new barbarian' guy 1210335;1437622358;asciilifeform;^ 1210336;1437622364;mircea_popescu;phf they ARE fun, yes. but only for the stupid. 1210337;1437622365;asciilifeform;see also limonov 1210338;1437622370;mircea_popescu;organised crime is also fun. also for the stupid. 1210339;1437622371;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'm gonna die anyway, and this sucks. 1210340;1437622371;decimation;follow his advice, be tribal, give less of a shit about govt 1210341;1437622383;asciilifeform;what trinque said. 1210342;1437622388;asciilifeform;and limonov was there in 1995. 1210343;1437622394;asciilifeform;even re: the 'tribal' bit. 1210344;1437622402;mircea_popescu;this is all fine, but there's a bridge between "my cunt itches" and "i'm married now" 1210345;1437622404;mircea_popescu;is there even ? 1210346;1437622406;trinque;hahaha 1210347;1437622452;asciilifeform;very easy to 'give less of a shit about govt' all the way until you find yourself trying the 'be tribal' thing in a usg death camp. 1210348;1437622472;mircea_popescu;see ? not so fun for the stupid. "true freedom" comes from a neglect of consequences. 1210349;1437622472;trinque;I figure I'll keep educating myself and getting ahead, and see what happens in a decade. 1210350;1437622482;phf;i move few blocks away from where they burned down MOVE compound. though those guys were genuinely .. not quite there 1210351;1437622485;mircea_popescu;whosoever can not do this is stuck being a bureaucrat not a revolutionary, no mattert the context. 1210352;1437622489;decimation;meh. usg doesn't have the energy to startup death camps 1210353;1437622496;decimation;and they would likely be easy to escape 1210354;1437622497;asciilifeform;they are already in business 1210355;1437622503;asciilifeform;go escape from fed pen. 1210356;1437622503;mircea_popescu;decimation obviously trhey'd be outsourced. 1210357;1437622518;mircea_popescu;the 100 mn business majors looking to change the world in the US notably ARE energetic enough to run macdonalds. 1210358;1437622521;BingoBoingo;mircea I mean https://archive.is/ChrKw happened. I don't want to say "civil case" may be in the pipes, but... thank scientology http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/slap-can.htm 1210359;1437622522;assbot;Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1g6aavz ) 1210360;1437622523;assbot;Malicious prosecution no longer risk-free in Illinois, thanks to CAN ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy4evB ) 1210361;1437622523;mircea_popescu;death camps are nothing compared. 1210362;1437622539;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo need some dough to press that 1210363;1437622543;decimation;well, keep the local da as part of your tribe :) 1210364;1437622556;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Or time. 1210365;1437622558;mircea_popescu;heh 1210366;1437622581;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209919 << lmao ok. 1210367;1437622581;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 19:49:51; hanbot: "The latest Tweets from Quentin Amalou (@aquentin). Doctorant en sciences humaines et sociales @UnivAvignon. Sociologie du cinema et de la musique." ftw. 1210368;1437622598;mircea_popescu;"sociology of the theatre" ? such deadly refinement by now. 1210369;1437622614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180250 @ 0.00054114 = 97.5405 BTC [+] {4} 1210370;1437622615;mircea_popescu;i am bracving myself for the "sociology of sociologists of obscure fields" phd. 1210371;1437622623;phf;mircea_popescu: i see now what you mean by "for the stupid", re "neglect of consequences". i always thought that was a character flaw though, not necessarily sign of intelligence 1210372;1437622636;trinque;mircea_popescu: I think seeing the world as it is, one imagines there could be another where there are leaders with as you say, interesting things to do 1210373;1437622652;mircea_popescu;a lot could be said about it, let aside that nobodyu'd care, so why shouldn't a phd be offered ? once it's offered, why should it wear a red striope in its id, "this shit's pointless nutso stuff fopr rich people" ? 1210374;1437622663;asciilifeform;mno 1210375;1437622671;mircea_popescu;and then get clueless working cl;ass kids thinking "it's theiur calling" because totally, that's how the world works, with "Callings" 1210376;1437622688;mircea_popescu;phf well if you can explain the difference between these two... 1210377;1437622698;mircea_popescu;trinque not for most people. 1210378;1437622700;asciilifeform;actual revolution means that 25 y.o. schmuck can transform to commander with personal death authority over ten thousand. 1210379;1437622702;asciilifeform;overnight. 1210380;1437622718;mircea_popescu;authority, sure. 1210381;1437622721;asciilifeform;this is appealing for perfectly reasonable, if not practical, reasons. 1210382;1437622733;mircea_popescu;random derp who inherits a wall street firm, also authority. 1210383;1437622744;asciilifeform;random derp 'chose parents carefully' 1210384;1437622757;mircea_popescu;which brings us right back to, "what do you wish to say, anyway" 1210385;1437622763;decimation;it's possible the derp could be Napoleon 1210386;1437622766;mircea_popescu;because, mind, if you actually got something to say might as well say it. 1210387;1437622778;mircea_popescu;and if you don't, why even bother with the trappings. 1210388;1437622790;mircea_popescu;;;google monty python "the theory which is mine" 1210389;1437622790;gribble;Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: ; Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk ... - YouTube: ; Monty Python's Flying Circus: Brontasauraus Theory - YouTube: 1210390;1437622793;asciilifeform;trying to formulate a hypothesis here 1210391;1437622797;mircea_popescu;aite. 1210392;1437622801;*;mircea_popescu is all ears. 1210393;1437622803;asciilifeform;re: what is appealing about violent upheavals 1210394;1437622812;asciilifeform;for the 'armchair general' 1210395;1437622822;mircea_popescu;ah, that's plainly obvious. they;'re appealing like rape is appealing. their bloody violence is sexually satisfying. 1210396;1437622835;decimation;it's appeal to Napoleon to finally rule the world 1210397;1437622888;asciilifeform;the idea of biodieseling the sclerotic aristos and their imbecile offspring is appealing to healthy folks, imho 1210398;1437622892;trinque;doesn't my being embedded in the world necessitate being concerned with its state? 1210399;1437622898;trinque;if I care about myself in the slightest? 1210400;1437622909;asciilifeform;for the same reason why pink prime gurlflesh is more appealing than the circus horrors BingoBoingo linked 1210401;1437622913;decimation;asciilifeform: the thing tends to feed itself. the new army officer's position depends on the old officers being exiled, thus they are married to the adventure 1210402;1437622949;trinque;asciilifeform: everyone likes when a shithead gets his; is laughter for anything else? 1210403;1437622950;asciilifeform;is it better to be married to a desk ? 1210404;1437622983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you see it's sexual. 1210405;1437623008;mircea_popescu;trinque it doesn't follow you should give a shit about yourself ; it doesnt follow even admitting that the world is of interest. 1210406;1437623010;asciilifeform;in more or less the same sense that all other vigorous and healthy activity is sexual 1210407;1437623010;decimation;well, desk isn't as exciting, if safer 1210408;1437623021;trinque;mircea_popescu: who says should, I do 1210409;1437623026;mircea_popescu;ah, sure then. 1210410;1437623034;phf;i guess if your life is dull, might be better to be limonov. so it's a wish fulfillment, i.e. "when the zombies come i'll be the badass survivalist guy". i'm still not sure why byron did it though 1210411;1437623038;mircea_popescu;normally "necessitate" is a hidden should. 1210412;1437623054;decimation;plus, maybe if the 25 year old is Napoleon you can get rich on some awesome loot 1210413;1437623062;mircea_popescu;phf why byron "did it" = had a bunch of chlorotic virgins say stupid shit about him ? 1210414;1437623073;*;trinque brb 1210415;1437623079;phf;heh, fair 1210416;1437623081;mircea_popescu;decimation sure, rich like the chiabur. 1210417;1437623090;asciilifeform;when considering what byron's likely alternatives were... 1210418;1437623101;asciilifeform;did not want to marry desk. i respect this. 1210419;1437623116;mircea_popescu;(tk kibār, eq of rus kulak) 1210420;1437623169;decimation;heh chiabur isn't english 1210421;1437623174;decimation;ah 1210422;1437623180;mircea_popescu;being rich isn't english either. 1210423;1437623185;asciilifeform;l0l 1210424;1437623190;mircea_popescu;puritan bunch 1210425;1437623203;decimation;well, better kulak than starving peasant, plus you get to pillage a few neat italian cities 1210426;1437623207;asciilifeform;who the hell sees the appeal of revolution in 'get rich' ?!!! 1210427;1437623209;mircea_popescu;entirely up to you, this. 1210428;1437623211;asciilifeform;that's a new one to me 1210429;1437623220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do you think el dorado was ? 1210430;1437623227;asciilifeform;a treasure hunt ? 1210431;1437623232;mircea_popescu;revolution for people who couldn't afford to fight the king. 1210432;1437623233;mircea_popescu;what else. 1210433;1437623235;decimation;asciilifeform: lol 'get rich' is almost immediately what the revolution turns into 1210434;1437623236;asciilifeform;well yes. 1210435;1437623240;mircea_popescu;well so then. 1210436;1437623246;asciilifeform;and in many ways, that time's 'silicon valley' 1210437;1437623247;decimation;once they gain power and can't figure out what else to do 1210438;1437623255;asciilifeform;considering the grantsmanship that went into el doradoism 1210439;1437623269;mircea_popescu;decimation no buyt see, it's an important problem. "so you're on the stage, alright now - what do you say ?" 1210440;1437623269;asciilifeform;one more or less had to scam a king to play 1210441;1437623278;mircea_popescu;"everyone should walk funny from now on" ? 1210442;1437623282;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah absolutely I see that 1210443;1437623295;decimation;especially since 99.999% of 25 year olds are not napoleon 1210444;1437623309;mircea_popescu;you're moses, up on the mountain, you're smith with his fucking stupid hat and the even more stupid but full of themselves early americans 1210445;1437623311;mircea_popescu;what do you sya ? 1210446;1437623317;asciilifeform;you say things like: 'you - spread yer legs.' 'you - spat on my father. spread your arse cheeks for sharpened telephone pole.' etc. 1210447;1437623318;mircea_popescu;"ummir and fuckthir" ? why ? 1210448;1437623323;mircea_popescu;with a straight face ? seriously ? 1210449;1437623330;mircea_popescu;this is why "power corrupts", incidentally. 1210450;1437623335;mircea_popescu;this will break a man. 1210451;1437623356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not unlike street urchin's idea of wealthy 1210452;1437623358;asciilifeform;i could, i think, watch telephone poles enter arses for 25 years. 1210453;1437623360;mircea_popescu;"sandwich every day!" 1210454;1437623396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/revenge/english/e_revso << possibly 1210455;1437623397;assbot;George Orwell: Revenge is Sour ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy7mra ) 1210456;1437623410;mircea_popescu;i happen to enjoy revenge, 1210457;1437623421;mircea_popescu;but i must point out that it's likely same as how i enjoy horse riding 1210458;1437623431;mircea_popescu;an acquired taste. not something one can just jump into. 1210459;1437623448;mircea_popescu;and that "acquired" part is a lot of time and a lot of resources and so on. 1210460;1437623463;decimation;on the other hand, when raw power is rushing around - available for many to grasp - someone's hand will be strong enough to keep hold 1210461;1437623467;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 315 @ 0.00390473 = 1.23 BTC [-] {5} 1210462;1437623486;mircea_popescu;again, that you hold the ring is not the issue. 1210463;1437623490;mircea_popescu;what do you tell it to do! 1210464;1437623510;asciilifeform;the mega-appeal of revolution is, just as limonov summarized, it is a chance to trade in guaranteed-die-behind-desk for die-with-sporting-chance 1210465;1437623516;mircea_popescu;sure. 1210466;1437623523;decimation;invade italy; get rich, become emporer 1210467;1437623527;mircea_popescu;but, provided you don't actually die. what. do. you. do. 1210468;1437623531;mircea_popescu;"become emperor" is not a thing. 1210469;1437623531;decimation;but then get bored and declare ware on the entire world 1210470;1437623535;mircea_popescu;"lived happily ever after" 1210471;1437623538;asciilifeform;mno 1210472;1437623538;phf;i the wrath of god will marry my own daughter and with her i'll found the purest dynasty the earth has ever seen 1210473;1437623539;asciilifeform;you play again. 1210474;1437623542;mircea_popescu;it only exists from this side of the silver screen 1210475;1437623565;asciilifeform;or what phf said! 1210476;1437623568;mircea_popescu;phf srsly ?! 1210477;1437623585;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would i want my own daughter. i suppose i should table this until i somehow have one, 1210478;1437623600;mircea_popescu;but it seems a lot to me like making my own car. holy shit i'd much rather have a car someone else toiled with. 1210479;1437623611;asciilifeform;making own car has appeal 1210480;1437623620;asciilifeform;i've given it serious thought at times 1210481;1437623622;mircea_popescu;o, i know this about you. 1210482;1437623633;phf;mircea_popescu: well, the scene involves everyone being dead by that point, and aguirre just making mad proclamations on a drifting raft besieged by invisible indians 1210483;1437623640;asciilifeform;^ 1210484;1437623644;mircea_popescu;problem is - you'll prolly start a revolution by first building a country. 1210485;1437623661;mircea_popescu;phf ah i entirely missed this was a reference. 1210486;1437623676;asciilifeform;or better yet, alive, and not being able to lift a finger, on account of them all wearing remote-switched detcord collars 1210487;1437623702;mircea_popescu;such a mmorpg view of politics. 1210488;1437623711;decimation;!up Erika-Mustermann 1210489;1437623711;asciilifeform;!up Erika-Mustermann 1210490;1437623718;decimation;the nordic system returns? 1210491;1437623722;mircea_popescu;whossat ? 1210492;1437623751;BingoBoingo;No, I though Nordic system started with a j or some shit 1210493;1437623753;decimation;was gibt's? 1210494;1437623769;BingoBoingo;!s Nordic System 1210495;1437623770;assbot;15 results for 'Nordic System' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Nordic+System 1210496;1437623776;decimation;BingoBoingo: it has a deeper bench than that 1210497;1437623801;asciilifeform;hey, this could be the ~other~ nordic system ! 1210498;1437623804;asciilifeform;can hope! 1210499;1437623811;mircea_popescu;you know, incidentally, im not so sure that 99.999% figure. 1210500;1437623824;asciilifeform;? 1210501;1437623824;mircea_popescu;it may well be 14% of kids are in fact napoleon. 1210502;1437623831;mircea_popescu;rest is luck, and having bernadotte. 1210503;1437623837;asciilifeform;that's close to limonov's figure iirc 1210504;1437623842;decimation;asciilifeform: isegoria did a thing on finnish baseball - looks awesome! http://www.isegoria.net/2015/07/what-finland-can-teach-america-about-baseball/ 1210505;1437623844;assbot;What Finland Can Teach America About Baseball « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnvVWV ) 1210506;1437623853;mircea_popescu;im enamoured with this ballas notion - 1%, 14% aspies, 85% derps. 1210507;1437623877;asciilifeform;1% who ? 1210508;1437623882;decimation;mircea_popescu: certainly napoleon had an aspie-like grasp of tactics, etc 1210509;1437623914;mircea_popescu;heh. know about that one time he forgot about a coupla divisions ? 1210510;1437623926;mircea_popescu;or that other time when he thought he had lost and well... the officers carried ? 1210511;1437623934;BingoBoingo;finnish baseball sounds like the worst! When do you go to get your next beer? 1210512;1437623949;asciilifeform;when nth beer is empty 1210513;1437623964;mircea_popescu;i thought finns drank fermented herring and what is this "beer". 1210514;1437623970;asciilifeform;nah that's jp 1210515;1437623987;decimation;he was called the 'little corporal' because he went out and sighted guns himself http://napoleonsightings.blogspot.com/2010/08/napoleon-sighting-002-little-corporal.html 1210516;1437623988;assbot;Napoleon Sightings: Napoleon Sighting #002: The Little Corporal ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy9e3m ) 1210517;1437624005;asciilifeform;phun phakt: napoleon was a closeted maths type 1210518;1437624011;mircea_popescu;i occasionally set up boxes myself too. 1210519;1437624011;asciilifeform;even has a theorem of his own name 1210520;1437624019;mircea_popescu;alf has a good point, there IS an appeal to making own car. 1210521;1437624025;mircea_popescu;there's also an appeal to cut one's own neck. 1210522;1437624037;asciilifeform;http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NapoleonsTheorem.html 1210523;1437624038;assbot;Napoleon's Theorem -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vy9mj6 ) 1210524;1437624041;trinque;I'm on a crippled device atm, but is capitalism unencumbered by the state not enough of a thing to do? 1210525;1437624056;trinque;it is for me 1210526;1437624062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. intelligence not impeached. just, there's this entire "genius" myth built around him because it was a particular time in the letters. 1210527;1437624073;asciilifeform;aha. 1210528;1437624084;asciilifeform;like every other mega-hero 1210529;1437624090;mircea_popescu;trinque as a boy, i was very distraught to find from my mother that if one invents something, he doesn't merely have to say what it should be 1210530;1437624093;BingoBoingo; nah that's jp << Japs introduced to baseball ways to make sure pitchers retire at the age they should just be getting interesting 1210531;1437624095;mircea_popescu;but also, HOW to make it. 1210532;1437624108;asciilifeform;^ this really got me down, as a boy 1210533;1437624113;asciilifeform;i also remember being told this. 1210534;1437624123;mircea_popescu;i had a brilliant concept for a watch 1210535;1437624129;asciilifeform;sorta assumed that grinder types would make it 1210536;1437624130;mircea_popescu;steve blows stole my idea! 1210537;1437624131;asciilifeform;if you told'em 1210538;1437624138;mircea_popescu;see ? now that's something to envy. 1210539;1437624141;mircea_popescu;this position. 1210540;1437624153;mircea_popescu;fuck revolution, i want a computer that does what i mean. 1210541;1437624171;decimation;^ computer barbarism? 1210542;1437624172;asciilifeform;revolution is so that you can make this 'computer' from meat. 1210543;1437624176;asciilifeform;screaming, writhing meat. 1210544;1437624184;mircea_popescu;you only think this works because you can't try it. 1210545;1437624191;mircea_popescu;much like the alchemists of yore tricked the kings of yore 1210546;1437624195;*;asciilifeform admits that can't try 1210547;1437624203;asciilifeform;and yes, alchemists did not have access to fast neutrons 1210548;1437624207;mircea_popescu;i can and have. it works as well as you'd expect, if you thinkj about it. 1210549;1437624210;asciilifeform;may have cooled their enthusiasm, if they had 1210550;1437624226;mircea_popescu;ie : when it works you didn't need it, and when it doesn't it doesn't help you anyway. 1210551;1437624258;trinque;The best method I see is being more or less invisible until such time as one's wealth can be used to undermine the other thing. 1210552;1437624260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00055291 = 25.3786 BTC [+] {2} 1210553;1437624260;*;mircea_popescu references the "for honor" thread here 1210554;1437624266;trinque;Hi, Satoshi. 1210555;1437624269;BingoBoingo;The part where starting pitcher finishes game by tossing in the bullpen tends to lead to irreparable elbows. US pitchers jsut start getting interesting around 32-26, Japanese pitchers would be candidates for tommy joh 2, 3, or 4 at that age + cartiledge dammage 1210556;1437624280;mircea_popescu;trinque what is this, "i'll date once i'm rich enough for it to work" ? 1210557;1437624290;asciilifeform;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204 1210558;1437624290;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road. 1210559;1437624341;asciilifeform;part of the reason for cutting heads is so that no one even begins to idly contemplate the notion that 'you didn't build that' 1210560;1437624350;mircea_popescu;why do you care ? 1210561;1437624352;decimation;lol https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Mustermann 1210562;1437624353;assbot;Erika Mustermann — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnwEap ) 1210563;1437624375;BingoBoingo;Hardest part of making own car is what to do to cool steam while parked. 1210564;1437624393;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you let it out. 1210565;1437624399;asciilifeform;and get new water from the spout. 1210566;1437624405;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what 1210567;1437624408;asciilifeform;like any decent locomotive in a civilized town. 1210568;1437624413;mircea_popescu;you buildion train orcar lol 1210569;1437624415;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But then you have to feed fresh water or material gets released 1210570;1437624423;BingoBoingo;From reactor of course 1210571;1437624442;asciilifeform;run sodium cycle. 1210572;1437624447;asciilifeform;to hell with water. 1210573;1437624448;*;mircea_popescu is looking forward to his friends building own cars, will have inexhaustible supply of french fries thusly. 1210574;1437624453;decimation;no, coal gas 1210575;1437624473;BingoBoingo;Last time I planned car was ignorant of sodium cycling/Thorium reactors 1210576;1437624525;BingoBoingo;Of course reactor goes in rear to allow for lead plate in seat backs 1210577;1437624573;phf;there was a bunch of young pioneers car building clubs when i was growing up. that and model airplanes 1210578;1437624614;decimation;it's my understanding that model airplanes mostly use electric engines now, no nasty 'glow gas' 1210579;1437624615;*;BingoBoingo also later, in college conteplated building "Lotus 7" but remembered grander ideas. Decided was snooze. 1210580;1437624636;*;asciilifeform missed all of the good stuff, but had elder brother. and thus from as old as could speak and think, already regarded civilization as a strictly past-tense affair 1210581;1437624683;asciilifeform;decimation: i was quite surprised to learn that at least one of the 'self-beheading incident' model choppers was electric ! 1210582;1437624687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00053006 = 11.6083 BTC [-] 1210583;1437624693;asciilifeform;now ^ ~that~'s progress! 1210584;1437624694;decimation;heh really 1210585;1437624730;asciilifeform;'here comes a candle to light you to bed, here comes a chopper to chop off your head' (tm) (r) (orwell) 1210586;1437624822;decimation;actually electric would be much better in terms of throttle response 1210587;1437624845;asciilifeform;this is why there was no (afaik) petrol-fueled model 'quadcopter' 1210588;1437624846;phf;decimation: i thought electric stuff is what you get in a prebuilt models, you can still buy a nitro engine 1210589;1437624861;decimation;yeah no electro-mechanical throttle 1210590;1437624870;decimation;phf: sure, folks still use 1210591;1437624883;decimation;to me the serious business is a full four-cycle engine 1210592;1437624931;decimation;lol they even make wankel engine http://ludens.cl/aeromod/wankel/wankel.html 1210593;1437624932;assbot;The OS-Graupner Wankel engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxpjU ) 1210594;1437624936;asciilifeform;actually the real deal might be a locomotive-style drivetrain 1210595;1437624949;asciilifeform;where petrol engine turns dynamo, which powers a mighty multicopter 1210596;1437624964;BingoBoingo; this is why there was no (afaik) petrol-fueled model 'quadcopter' << Thought this was more because making differentials was hard 1210597;1437625005;asciilifeform;mno 1210598;1437625018;asciilifeform;you need rapid and extremely replicable control over thrust 1210599;1437625021;asciilifeform;for the self-balancing deal 1210600;1437625115;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, that's why serious folks use turbines 1210601;1437625128;phf;https://9c02d171-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/gascopter/Description/3%20diff%20with_numbers.jpg 1210602;1437625129;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxDHO ) 1210603;1437625146;decimation;http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/predatorb.htm < predator has turboprop 1210604;1437625147;assbot;MQ-9A Predator B UAV ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxGDv ) 1210605;1437625161;decimation;plus plenty of power for electrics 1210606;1437625162;asciilifeform;phf: how does this machine stay horizontal ? 1210607;1437625166;asciilifeform;ailerons ? 1210608;1437625193;asciilifeform;i mean, yes, it is elementarily possible to turn 1001 propellers from one engine if you wanted to 1210609;1437625199;asciilifeform;but you don't get the gyroscope balancer thing 1210610;1437625207;asciilifeform;where you can kick it and it stays in same place. 1210611;1437625257;phf;asciilifeform: that's what it looks like, re ailerons, the image is from here http://www.gas-copter.com/Description 1210612;1437625258;assbot;Description - Gas Copter ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnxRP2 ) 1210613;1437625294;asciilifeform;just pointing out that the appear of the multicopters is precisely that you don't need movable aerodynamic surfaces 1210614;1437625301;asciilifeform;or much aerodynamism at all 1210615;1437625316;asciilifeform;sorta the logical maximum of 'offload complexity to software' 1210616;1437625320;phf;asciilifeform: right, it's a bogus website anyway. i was more curious how differentials look on a quadcopter, and that came up 1210617;1437625332;asciilifeform;pertinently, i went for a walk in nyc on saturday 1210618;1437625340;asciilifeform;in time square, found a ruined toy quadcopter 1210619;1437625346;asciilifeform;worth no more than fiddybux when new 1210620;1437625355;asciilifeform;gave it to a phriend, who will strip away the dirt, it will fly 1210621;1437625364;asciilifeform;because just about all of the complexity is in the computer. 1210622;1437625366;decimation;wow predator weighs 10k pounds 1210623;1437625372;decimation;that's a big aircraft 1210624;1437625374;asciilifeform;empty ? 1210625;1437625392;BingoBoingo;decimation: Predator follows USg school of design which created "Abrams" 1210626;1437625434;asciilifeform;decimation: source for the 10k? 1210627;1437625439;decimation;no full takeoff weight 1210628;1437625441;asciilifeform;i think this is a 4-5x overestimate 1210629;1437625447;decimation;link above ^ 1210630;1437625462;decimation;"Another version of the Predator B, with a 20-ft. wing extension, started flying in late 2002. The standard MQ-9, at a takeoff weight of 10,000 lb., can carry 3,000 lb. of payload and 3,000 lb. of fuel." 1210631;1437625466;asciilifeform;saw it in museum, hanging, fuselage was the size of a compact car 1210632;1437625494;decimation;"The version with the wingspan extended to 86 ft., about the same as a 737 airliner, can carry 34 hr. of internal fuel. With two 1,000-lb. drop tanks and 1,000 lb. of weapons it can fly a 42-hr. mission." 1210633;1437625528;asciilifeform;what's that for, nyc to afghan and back ? 1210634;1437625560;decimation;no, so they can orbit about interesting areas for a long time 1210635;1437625654;decimation;I remember watching a tv show about B-2 bomber crews. they showed a 'simulated bombing' of baghdad from nebraska 1210636;1437625665;decimation;crew actually locked themselves in simluator for 40 hours 1210637;1437625700;decimation;not nebraska, whitman afb in missouri 1210638;1437625724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00053053 = 34.1661 BTC [+] 1210639;1437625846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98259 @ 0.00055344 = 54.3805 BTC [+] {2} 1210640;1437625888;decimation;can see one parked out front: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043%2758.0%22N+93%C2%B033%2717.0%22W/@38.7280112,-93.5562417,170m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 1210641;1437625889;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnz20T ) 1210642;1437625907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32773 @ 0.00055549 = 18.2051 BTC [+] {2} 1210643;1437625933;asciilifeform;the infamous, original, flying goldentoilet 1210644;1437625941;decimation;indeed. 1210645;1437625946;BingoBoingo; not nebraska, whitman afb in missouri << Drinking with friend at University of Central Missouri we played a game of guess which middle aged air force folk were B-2 pilots 1210646;1437625959;decimation;heh 1210647;1437625979;decimation;sounds like a boring job, honestly 1210648;1437625986;decimation;take off, fly straight for 40 hours 1210649;1437625999;asciilifeform;like commercial flying bus 1210650;1437626018;decimation;yeah except mil bomber probably has fewer ammenities 1210651;1437626022;BingoBoingo;!b 10 1210652;1437626023;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/254644N.txt ) 1210653;1437626060;decimation;I did a tour of wwii era bombers, they were horrible places in which to spend time 1210654;1437626069;decimation;tiny crawlspaces, tiny cabins 1210655;1437626074;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043'58.0%22N+93%C2%B033'17.0%22W/@38.7393126,-93.551019,96m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 << dafuq is that 1210656;1437626075;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnzmgb ) 1210657;1437626079;asciilifeform;old rusty tub ? 1210658;1437626092;decimation;lol 1210659;1437626156;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043'58.0%22N+93%C2%B033'17.0%22W/@38.7478733,-93.5486403,192m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 << spare noses ? 1210660;1437626156;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnzw7t ) 1210661;1437626224;decimation;that is rather odd, being off the flight line 1210662;1437626270;decimation;asciilifeform: ah, it's a training area for fire fighters 1210663;1437626321;decimation;which it is why it is next to that pond I think 1210664;1437626343;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B043'58.0%22N+93%C2%B033'17.0%22W/@38.7532816,-93.5389835,192m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0 << crater ? 1210665;1437626344;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnzSeh ) 1210666;1437626639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33260 @ 0.00053572 = 17.818 BTC [-] 1210667;1437626924;trinque;mircea_popescu | trinque what is this, "i'll date once i'm rich enough for it to work" ? << perhaps bitcoin is well upstream of anyone's revolution 1210668;1437627145;trinque;and perhaps structures that are quite old and have always been there will continue to work happily, while others may wither and die 1210669;1437627156;trinque;seems to be the way life reacts to environmental change 1210670;1437627737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16102 @ 0.00053572 = 8.6262 BTC [-] 1210671;1437628225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64540 @ 0.00053777 = 34.7077 BTC [+] 1210672;1437628835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117016 @ 0.00054525 = 63.803 BTC [+] {2} 1210673;1437629062;mircea_popescu;wouldn't surprise me. 1210674;1437629239;ben_vulpes; you buildion train orcar lol << notrly that bad of an idea. external combustion engine has its upsides, among them workable in 'jungle conditions;' 1210675;1437629253;*;ben_vulpes practicing hitting far right keys w/pinky 1210676;1437629276;mircea_popescu;i never heard of the jungle train 1210677;1437629297;ben_vulpes;gasenwagen though. 1210678;1437629317;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1210679;1437629347;ben_vulpes;ah hm wrong reference. 1210680;1437629372;ben_vulpes;low-efficiency vehicles that burned * and pushed gas through pistons? 1210681;1437629443;ben_vulpes;anyways, point of junglengine is to burn whatever's around and produce rotation. i've always planned this to be a 'tesla turbine' hooked to washing machine motor for ease of fabrication. 1210682;1437629453;ben_vulpes;could just as easily be stirling. 1210683;1437629634;mircea_popescu;seems to me jungle is everywhere cut down by diesel engines. 1210684;1437629672;ben_vulpes;ain't much diesel left. 1210685;1437629716;ben_vulpes;http://www.qnergy.com/qb-stirling-engines << mega-stirling 1210686;1437629717;assbot;Bonneville Stirling Engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFgOOn ) 1210687;1437630069;BingoBoingo;plenty of diesel to be rendered from this lardberg https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/22/aee495628dfc521fa0818befa8320b24.jpg 1210688;1437630071;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFhQda ) 1210689;1437630090;BingoBoingo;Moar diesel 1210690;1437630118;ben_vulpes;you know BingoBoingo i think you have a thing 1210691;1437630125;ben_vulpes;in the way that mircea_popescu has a thing 1210692;1437630134;mircea_popescu;i hjave a thing ?! 1210693;1437630145;ben_vulpes;oh don't be coy 1210694;1437630152;mircea_popescu;coy's my thing! 1210695;1437630163;BingoBoingo;Moar diesel https://slimgur.com/image/0A2 1210696;1437630165;assbot;Thisfatfuck - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFi43Z ) 1210697;1437630182;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I'm jsut addressing the energy crisis 1210698;1437630238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10064 @ 0.00053572 = 5.3915 BTC [-] 1210699;1437630848;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 331 @ 0.00389903 = 1.2906 BTC [-] {4} 1210700;1437631397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.0005502 = 19.4221 BTC [+] 1210701;1437631946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74600 @ 0.00055412 = 41.3374 BTC [+] {2} 1210702;1437632184;cazalla;i thought mircea_popescu's black dick tumblr shots were bad but BingoBoingo is in a league of his own 1210703;1437632596;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/oGm9WKi.jpg 1210704;1437632597;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vyy3vW ) 1210705;1437632617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75797 @ 0.00052984 = 40.1603 BTC [-] {3} 1210706;1437632678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00052003 = 2.0801 BTC [-] 1210707;1437634203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39760 @ 0.00051893 = 20.6327 BTC [-] 1210708;1437634447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126350 @ 0.0005187 = 65.5377 BTC [-] {2} 1210709;1437634752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00051906 = 8.8759 BTC [+] 1210710;1437635118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130200 @ 0.00051695 = 67.3069 BTC [-] {3} 1210711;1437635574;scoopbot_revived;Eulora's largest trade to date and assorted teologico-socioeconomic considerations http://trilema.com/2015/euloras-largest-trade-to-date-and-assorted-teologico-socioeconomic-considerations/ 1210712;1437635773;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210123 << especially if that x is 70% 1210713;1437635773;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 01:15:25; gernika: mod6 let me know if there's anything else I can do to help with this. Would suck if x% of pogos wedged at 168001 1210714;1437635789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12103 @ 0.00051906 = 6.2822 BTC [+] 1210715;1437636277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191563 @ 0.00051634 = 98.9116 BTC [-] {3} 1210716;1437636338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11943 @ 0.00051417 = 6.1407 BTC [-] 1210717;1437636657;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at feminisis hq, http://31.media.tumblr.com/322fdd2ccf1063c9c729a0399d8c0165/tumblr_n0w9ge4WfV1ra163eo2_250.gif 1210718;1437636659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlJQu2 ) 1210719;1437637436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73100 @ 0.00051417 = 37.5858 BTC [-] 1210720;1437638168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18336 @ 0.00051417 = 9.4278 BTC [-] 1210721;1437639571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15437 @ 0.00051417 = 7.9372 BTC [-] 1210722;1437639815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126400 @ 0.00051386 = 64.9519 BTC [-] {3} 1210723;1437640168;cazalla;if BingoBoingo and mircea_popescu links had a baby http://i.imgur.com/VOVQFno.jpg 1210724;1437640169;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlOM29 ) 1210725;1437640608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00053006 = 25.3899 BTC [+] 1210726;1437641401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00052473 = 31.1165 BTC [-] 1210727;1437642804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5510 @ 0.00053006 = 2.9206 BTC [+] 1210728;1437643231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00053281 = 16.1175 BTC [+] 1210729;1437644695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00053281 = 15.5048 BTC [+] 1210730;1437646769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87200 @ 0.0005394 = 47.0357 BTC [+] {2} 1210731;1437646830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149450 @ 0.00052767 = 78.8603 BTC [-] {2} 1210732;1437646952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49598 @ 0.00054512 = 27.0369 BTC [+] {2} 1210733;1437647318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83800 @ 0.00051357 = 43.0372 BTC [-] {2} 1210734;1437649148;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 316 @ 0.00353668 = 1.1176 BTC [-] {2} 1210735;1437650856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00051292 = 25.2613 BTC [-] {2} 1210736;1437651100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00051255 = 22.6547 BTC [-] 1210737;1437651710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.00053226 = 54.4502 BTC [+] 1210738;1437652503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130950 @ 0.00053226 = 69.6994 BTC [+] 1210739;1437655553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00052982 = 10.7553 BTC [-] 1210740;1437656956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00051248 = 31.0307 BTC [-] {2} 1210741;1437657078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00052252 = 14.6306 BTC [+] 1210742;1437658368;shinohai;Jesus Christ my email is unreliable lately, I'm going to have to find something better. 1210743;1437659958;fluffypony;shinohai: Facebook messaging 1210744;1437659961;*;fluffypony giggles 1210745;1437659996;shinohai;kek never even had a "facebook" 1210746;1437660047;shinohai;twitter is about the limit of my social media presence 1210747;1437660433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051531 = 10.3062 BTC [-] 1210748;1437660494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92002 @ 0.00051209 = 47.1133 BTC [-] 1210749;1437661226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254800 @ 0.00051532 = 131.3035 BTC [+] {2} 1210750;1437661333;shinohai;I guess I could join this shit: http://www.getcatter.com/ 1210751;1437661335;assbot;Catter - The first anonymous social media network for cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFusHN ) 1210752;1437661958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3239 @ 0.00051534 = 1.6692 BTC [+] 1210753;1437662372;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210137 << i will repeat, i currently have no wedged nodes. even incitatus caught up yesterday and has been synced continuously since. 1210754;1437662372;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 01:20:23; mod6: my one gentoo (all ascii's patches through verifyall x86-64/glibc) build got all the way up to where nsl is wedged. but my openbsd one is crawling along on verify all also... so far: height=220047 1210755;1437662434;asciilifeform;mod6: dulap (s.nsa flagship node) unwedged on july 10 when i fixed its clock. 'zoolag' was never wedged in its whole life thus far. 1210756;1437662456;asciilifeform;all three nodes are currently up 1210757;1437662465;asciilifeform;366601 at this time 1210758;1437662476;asciilifeform;dulap has 71 peers which is a new record. 1210759;1437662488;asciilifeform;zoolag - 63 1210760;1437662495;asciilifeform;incitatus - 30 1210761;1437662529;*;shinohai will report back with another node if he can ever build the damned thing. 1210762;1437662538;kakobrekla;i have 195.211.154.159:8333 and 96.241.120.166:8333 1210763;1437662543;kakobrekla;which is the third? 1210764;1437662558;asciilifeform;64.85.171.71:8333 1210765;1437662563;kakobrekla;ok ty 1210766;1437662563;asciilifeform;^ incitatus 1210767;1437662601;kakobrekla;do they have any dns entries set? (i know you cant use it directly) 1210768;1437662615;asciilifeform;the first 195... is nosuchlabs.com 1210769;1437662655;asciilifeform;96... - zoolag.ddns.net 1210770;1437662659;asciilifeform;64... - none 1210771;1437662697;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al: http://cointelegraph.com/news/114943/coinmx-operators-arrested-for-running-illegal-bitcoin-exchange << qntra ? 1210772;1437662699;assbot;Coin.mx Operators Arrested for Running Illegal Bitcoin Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFwasC ) 1210773;1437662699;kakobrekla;i can put a b-a.link on them ? 1210774;1437662702;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: aha 1210775;1437662723;mod6;<+asciilifeform> 366601 at this time << ah ok. i'll start mine back up later. i had shut it down because it had been on the same block for >36 hours. 1210776;1437662735;asciilifeform;mod6: what was this ? 1210777;1437662744;asciilifeform;as in, what was running, built how, and on what ? 1210778;1437662812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115214 @ 0.0005182 = 59.7039 BTC [+] {2} 1210779;1437662935;mod6;it was: gentoo x86-64 glibc: v0.5.3.1+{ these patches in this order: http://dpaste.com/1CSFS1A.txt } built with stator build script. connected to: 195.211.154.159:8333 running with verifyall - ran great up until a few days back. we discussed this. 1210780;1437662936;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFwvvs ) 1210781;1437662992;asciilifeform;link to thread ? 1210782;1437663047;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209148 1210783;1437663047;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 01:11:24; mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, confirm that on ur one node i'm wedged at 365441 1210784;1437663072;asciilifeform;and was this an '-addnode' or a '-connect' sync ? 1210785;1437663076;mod6;-connect 1210786;1437663098;asciilifeform;hm 1210787;1437663101;mod6;-connect -myip -verifyall 1210788;1437663147;mod6;i don't have much more info than that right now. can revisit later though for sure. 1210789;1437663147;kakobrekla;ok, so theres now node1.b-a.link node2.b-a.link and node3.b-a.link 1210790;1437663154;asciilifeform;neato 1210791;1437663160;asciilifeform;i'd prefer the original names 1210792;1437663169;kakobrekla;you can have both 1210793;1437663178;asciilifeform;ty kakobrekla 1210794;1437663192;asciilifeform;but must remind folks, no dns in therealbitcoin 1210795;1437663195;asciilifeform;gotta ping'em 1210796;1437663217;kakobrekla;its generally wise to avoid dns where possible 1210797;1437663223;asciilifeform;aha 1210798;1437663502;kakobrekla;dulap.b-a.link, incitatus.b-a.link, zoolag.b-a.link is set 1210799;1437663509;asciilifeform;spiffy 1210800;1437663711;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1210801;1437663910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78750 @ 0.00051241 = 40.3523 BTC [-] {4} 1210802;1437664154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00051736 = 8.7693 BTC [+] 1210803;1437664886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133700 @ 0.00051005 = 68.1937 BTC [-] {2} 1210804;1437666201;mod6;thanks kakobrekla 1210805;1437666221;kakobrekla;muh plesuar 1210806;1437667143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78611 @ 0.00052186 = 41.0239 BTC [+] {4} 1210807;1437668058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108700 @ 0.00052456 = 57.0197 BTC [+] {3} 1210808;1437668668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00053012 = 27.9903 BTC [+] {2} 1210809;1437669339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89100 @ 0.00051464 = 45.8544 BTC [-] {2} 1210810;1437669683;shinohai;mats u there b ? 1210811;1437671596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143852 @ 0.00051033 = 73.412 BTC [-] {3} 1210812;1437671835;bitstein;;;later tell pete_dushenski mazel tov! 1210813;1437671835;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210814;1437672047;Adlai;;;later tell pete_dushenski shetizke leamlot velo lemitzvot! 1210815;1437672048;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210816;1437672084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171300 @ 0.00050937 = 87.2551 BTC [-] {4} 1210817;1437672888;kakobrekla;;;later tell pete_dushenski saj ni važno kaj je, le da bo zdrav fant. 1210818;1437672888;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210819;1437673570;mod6;!up asciilifeform 1210820;1437673574;mod6;!up ascii_field 1210821;1437673607;BingoBoingo;!s coin.mx 1210822;1437673608;assbot;1 results for 'coin.mx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coin.mx 1210823;1437673609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150900 @ 0.0005191 = 78.3322 BTC [+] 1210824;1437673731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147612 @ 0.00053534 = 79.0226 BTC [+] {5} 1210825;1437674341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00053745 = 14.9949 BTC [+] 1210826;1437675120;scoopbot_revived;Coin.mx Operators Arrested For Violating Anti Money Laundering Laws http://qntra.net/2015/07/coin-mx-operators-arrested-for-violating-anti-money-laundering-laws/ 1210827;1437675314;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210690 << Oh oh, let me guess! 1210828;1437675314;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 05:41:58; ben_vulpes: you know BingoBoingo i think you have a thing 1210829;1437675328;gabriel_laddel;If you're reading it, it's for you + wrong in all the right places? 1210830;1437675335;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/ZiWbe 1210831;1437675336;assbot;Coin.mx Operators Arrested For Violating Anti Money Laundering Laws | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmQFsF ) 1210832;1437675409;trinque;just outlaw entrepreneurship and be done with it. 1210833;1437675426;trinque;tired of this "just the tip" nonsense 1210834;1437675433;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209698 << I would pay for a video of Stoya reciting PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY + a few other Schwartz works while being fucked. 1210835;1437675433;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 14:48:21; mircea_popescu: actually it's probably ready for a revival, if people like stoya, kim kardashian and whoever else of the new slut generation can be arsed. 1210836;1437675440;trinque;we can't even do communism right 1210837;1437675446;gabriel_laddel;There is a lot to do in this vein, actually. 1210838;1437675477;gabriel_laddel;Sasha Grey sorta got that, but only after she finished her career. 1210839;1437675620;gabriel_laddel;Or instead of the "stupid student fucks teacher" trope, reverse it. Stud teacher is teaching Taylor's therom incorrectly, smart, slutty student explains & fucks. 1210840;1437675693;gabriel_laddel;With lots of hitting, choking and "give me the CORRECT solution you stupid slut" 1210841;1437675713;trinque;bahaha, this is more insight into gabriel_laddel's fetishes than I ever needed 1210842;1437675774;*;gabriel_laddel didn't even know he was into this, until now 1210843;1437675780;gabriel_laddel;thanks MP 1210844;1437675908;trinque;gabriel_laddel: I added conkeror to my stumpwm setup 1210845;1437675921;trinque;one thing I don't like is that different conkeror windows do not have the same buffers list 1210846;1437675934;gabriel_laddel;trinque: wtf do you have multiple windows for? 1210847;1437675940;trinque;multiple screens. 1210848;1437675945;gabriel_laddel;ah 1210849;1437675947;gabriel_laddel;yeah, idk 1210850;1437675951;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you prolly want the masamune "backdoor" for conkeror 1210851;1437675955;trinque;I mean, it's a minor quibble. 1210852;1437675958;gabriel_laddel;allows scripting with parenscript 1210853;1437675967;gabriel_laddel;It still fucking sucks, but eh 1210854;1437675967;trinque;I'm not gonna push ya to gimme masamune til you're done. 1210855;1437675974;trinque;bu tI'll probably keep grabbing components in the meanwhile 1210856;1437675975;gabriel_laddel;Just grab it 1210857;1437675984;gabriel_laddel;.../masamune/browser/ 1210858;1437675989;gabriel_laddel;it's all in there 1210859;1437675989;trinque;ok, I'll check it out 1210860;1437676024;gabriel_laddel;there is a default .conkerorrc file that is required to run it called default-conkerorrc.js 1210861;1437676049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.0005345 = 38.484 BTC [-] 1210862;1437676061;gabriel_laddel;trinque: do you want CL work? 1210863;1437676068;trinque;nah, I'm already maxed out 1210864;1437676268;shinohai;ROFL: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/23/universal-pirated-copy-jurassic-world-seeded-from-its-own-servers 1210865;1437676269;assbot;Universal finds pirated copy of Jurassic World seeded from its own servers | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmRVMr ) 1210866;1437676442;mats;shinohai: am here 1210867;1437676908;trinque;shinohai: beatings for these hashbang people telling me to sh <(curl anythingontheinternet) 1210868;1437676916;trinque;though I guess they acknowledge it in the source 1210869;1437676999;trinque;tls 1.0, sha1 sigs, lol 1210870;1437677025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 283850 @ 0.00053804 = 152.7227 BTC [+] {3} 1210871;1437677032;shinohai;trinque: they are trying to be clever. I never talk to most of 'em. I just pay my bill every month 1210872;1437677137;*;shinohai always likes having extra shell capacity 1210873;1437677382;mats;http://tsyrklevich.net/2015/07/22/hacking-team-0day-market 1210874;1437677383;assbot;Hacking Team: a zero-day market case study ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmTBWb ) 1210875;1437677464;mats;these names, man 1210876;1437677475;mats;>NEONNIPPLE: Office 2007, Word + Excel, required ActiveX control, required user interaction (going to Edit menu) 1210877;1437677477;mats;>BACKPAIN-FUN ($100k): Multi-OS Flash SOP bypass 1210878;1437677517;trinque;mats: has to go without saying at this point to disable flash... 1210879;1437677532;trinque;browser plugins in general 1210880;1437677570;mats;yeah. HT email archives suggest they have a couple Silverlight 0days, but i haven't seen it in any of the released code 1210881;1437677615;mats;lots of folks vulnerable to those -- people not on Chrome that use Netflix for example 1210882;1437677648;trinque;yep, and even on chrome doesn't it use that widevine thing? 1210883;1437677786;mats;'widevine' is for mobile, i believe 1210884;1437678102;trinque;my chrome had it before I turned it off 1210885;1437678157;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1210886;1437678172;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210873 << Run Moar Winblowz!!! 1210887;1437678172;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 18:49:42; mats: http://tsyrklevich.net/2015/07/22/hacking-team-0day-market 1210888;1437679953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81145 @ 0.00053788 = 43.6463 BTC [-] 1210889;1437680319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82550 @ 0.00051811 = 42.77 BTC [-] {2} 1210890;1437681227;shinohai;The plot thickens: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-21/fbi-israel-make-securities-fraud-arrests-tied-to-jpmorgan-hack 1210891;1437681228;assbot;Digital Misfits Link JPMorgan Hack to Pump-and-Dump Fraud - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSRmdu ) 1210892;1437681234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11926 @ 0.00051803 = 6.178 BTC [-] 1210893;1437681722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103500 @ 0.00051126 = 52.9154 BTC [-] 1210894;1437682271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26669 @ 0.0005086 = 13.5639 BTC [-] 1210895;1437684284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99600 @ 0.00050812 = 50.6088 BTC [-] 1210896;1437685138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161500 @ 0.00051295 = 82.8414 BTC [+] {4} 1210897;1437685790;thestringpuller;ascii_field: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png << This is pretty much sums up your thoughts on the matter. 1210898;1437686005;solrodar;;;later tell ben_vulpes any progress with the boost problem you had with my script? What was the problem anyway? 1210899;1437686006;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210900;1437687883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117700 @ 0.00050775 = 59.7622 BTC [-] {3} 1210901;1437688336;scoopbot_revived;Universal Seeds Own Film to Pirates http://qntra.net/2015/07/universal-seeds-own-film-to-pirates/ 1210902;1437688366;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/gEUsJ 1210903;1437688367;assbot;Universal Seeds Own Film to Pirates | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1fpWxqc ) 1210904;1437688737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153057 @ 0.00051866 = 79.3845 BTC [+] {2} 1210905;1437688809;mats;BingoBoingo: that's a confusing title 1210906;1437688824;BingoBoingo;Which part? 1210907;1437688949;mats;mostly 'Seeds' 1210908;1437688999;mats;the sentence is hard to parse if you don't understand the bittorrent protocol 1210909;1437689024;BingoBoingo;Or Bukkake 1210910;1437689064;mats;'Universal Unwittingly Shares Jurassic World with BitTorrent Pirates' mebbe 1210911;1437689108;BingoBoingo;Fine, title updated url same 1210912;1437689286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00052588 = 21.4559 BTC [+] 1210913;1437689408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00052398 = 2.4889 BTC [-] 1210914;1437689454;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1210915;1437689455;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 276.35, Best ask: 276.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 276.23, 24 hour volume: 7131.42363814, 24 hour low: 275.56, 24 hour high: 278.44, 24 hour vwap: None 1210916;1437689542;mircea_popescu;mats hanbot nubbins` http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114849 1210917;1437689543;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fpYJ0Q ) 1210918;1437689638;trinque;so, deedbot- has an open port 7000 connection, yet it is absent here 1210919;1437689641;trinque;wtf? 1210920;1437689731;mircea_popescu;absent where ? 1210921;1437689740;trinque;it is not on freenode 1210922;1437689740;mircea_popescu;;;seen funkenstein 1210923;1437689740;gribble;funkenstein was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: !register 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6 1210924;1437689743;mircea_popescu;;;seen funkenstein_ 1210925;1437689743;gribble;funkenstein_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: re: hastings, uconnect: "boston brakes" is the term used in reportage by veteranstoday and others 1210926;1437689756;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ hey weren't you pretending to be a dwarf ? 1210927;1437689756;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210928;1437690162;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1584*.199 1210929;1437690162;gribble;315.216 1210930;1437691116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32355 @ 0.00053172 = 17.2038 BTC [+] {2} 1210931;1437691143;BingoBoingo;More reddit derps herping https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ed681/nick_szabo_bitcoin_more_vulnerable_to_selfish/ 1210932;1437691144;assbot;Nick Szabo: Bitcoin "more vulnerable to selfish mining if delays become more prominent, e.g., in the case of larger blocks" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fq1nUi ) 1210933;1437691177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90245 @ 0.00054253 = 48.9606 BTC [+] {2} 1210934;1437691281;mircea_popescu;o wait, reddit disapproves of szabo now ? 1210935;1437691318;BingoBoingo;Apparently 1210936;1437691359;BingoBoingo;He was their Satoshi until he talked blocksize 1210937;1437691470;mircea_popescu;must suck to be the dumb. 1210938;1437691615;ben_vulpes;y'know trinque its probably cawsmic race 1210939;1437691737;trinque;ben_vulpes: wut? 1210940;1437691745;ben_vulpes;cosmic rays! 1210941;1437691749;trinque;o lol 1210942;1437691762;trinque;I'm gonna go with "wad of golang I'd rather kill than inspect" 1210943;1437691913;mircea_popescu;ahahah 1210944;1437692656;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/BH3Vtoi.jpg 1210945;1437692657;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpnxU5 ) 1210946;1437692745;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210594 << very much this. there's little hope to get the gearing smooth enough 1210947;1437692745;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 04:15:36; asciilifeform: actually the real deal might be a locomotive-style drivetrain 1210948;1437692877;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210625 << works spelndidly for a tank, that. 1210949;1437692877;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 04:23:12; BingoBoingo: decimation: Predator follows USg school of design which created "Abrams" 1210950;1437692973;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210667 << quite this, and the next line. 1210951;1437692973;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 04:48:44; trinque: mircea_popescu | trinque what is this, "i'll date once i'm rich enough for it to work" ? << perhaps bitcoin is well upstream of anyone's revolution 1210952;1437693128;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210798 << kickass. 1210953;1437693128;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 14:58:22; kakobrekla: dulap.b-a.link, incitatus.b-a.link, zoolag.b-a.link is set 1210954;1437693167;mircea_popescu;holy shit FANT is boy in slovenian ?! 1210955;1437693194;mircea_popescu;this is so cute 1210956;1437693217;mircea_popescu;(jack of cards is fante in romanian; young man about town idem). 1210957;1437693236;mircea_popescu;and obviously, zdrav-an, ie, zdrav-like = strong, hearthy. 1210958;1437693240;kakobrekla;hehe cool 1210959;1437693274;mircea_popescu;is vazno off "to see" root ? 1210960;1437693303;kakobrekla;vazno ~ pomembno ~ important 1210961;1437693328;mircea_popescu;aha. how do you say to see ? 1210962;1437693341;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210833 << hehe it's how that place's been running for so long now... 1210963;1437693341;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 18:17:06; trinque: tired of this "just the tip" nonsense 1210964;1437693372;kakobrekla;"to see" would be close to 'videti'. sight is 'vid'. 1210965;1437693377;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel so talk to her, odds are she'll do it. 1210966;1437693377;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1210967;1437693386;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla aha ty! 1210968;1437693403;kakobrekla;anyway, that line goes something 'it doesnt matter what it is, as long as the boy is healthy.' 1210969;1437693434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00052398 = 33.6395 BTC [-] 1210970;1437693447;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210843 << np 1210971;1437693447;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 18:23:00; gabriel_laddel: thanks MP 1210972;1437693452;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i got that :) 1210973;1437693462;kakobrekla;ah :) 1210974;1437693630;mircea_popescu;"As a result, their 0day providers tended to be small and unestablished. Some established exploit vendors, like VUPEN and COSEINC, did offer to sell Hacking Team exploits, but they were predominantly overpriced, second-rate, and not even 0day. As a result, Hacking Team was seriously exploit supply constrained because they had difficulty finding suppliers that they deemed reliable and reasonably priced. Their competitor 1210975;1437693630;mircea_popescu;s, like Gamma International and NSO Group, prominently advertised their 0day capabilities, forcing Hacking Team to be defensive with prospective customers." 1210976;1437693634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform satisfied nao ? 1210977;1437693800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00053178 = 28.2907 BTC [+] 1210978;1437694164;mircea_popescu;"Hacking Team's CTO claimed that VUPEN burned their (presumably unsold) vulnerabilities after a set period of time to move the exploit market; putting their deployments in jeopardy." doh. 1210979;1437694206;mircea_popescu;"Exploit portfolios: VBI regularly sent portfolio updates to its customers. Though they were encrypted, Hacking Team's habit of forwarding encrypted messages unencrypted means that many of them are accessible. " 1210980;1437694210;mircea_popescu;fucktards. how about that ? 1210981;1437694219;mod6;asciilifeform: the build we were discussing earlier is now up and running against 195.211.154.159 and seems to be pulling blocks again just fine. 1210982;1437694227;mircea_popescu;"Several of these forwards included a PDF with VBI's entire exploit portfoli" 1210983;1437694231;mircea_popescu;fucktard. HOW ABOUT THAT 1210984;1437694237;mircea_popescu;he needed pdf don't you know. 1210985;1437694244;mircea_popescu;buncha fucking amateurs this world is made out of i swear. 1210986;1437694266;mod6;asciilifeform: up to, height=365462 now. and my other obsd build has been connected the whole time and still chugging along: height=224116 1210987;1437694351;mircea_popescu;"Rosario is an Italian security researcher with specializations in browser security and fuzzing. [...] During this time he primarily focused on fuzzing SVG, XSLT, and XPath. He was paid $3.5k EUR per month" << alright ? guy made 50k a year. thinkaboutit. 1210988;1437694393;mircea_popescu;"Fuzzer results: Though Rosario's fuzzers found numerous crashing test cases, like most fuzzer outputs few of them appeared exploitable. One of the first crashes that looked exploitable was an IE10 memory corruption that was patched within a week of its discovery. Soon after, Rosario found a Firefox crash that looked exploitable but only appeared to occur under memory pressure. Despite months of analysis, Hacking Team 1210989;1437694393;mircea_popescu;was unable to turn this into a working exploit. It was discovered in October of 2013 and VUPEN used the same bug to win Pwn2Own in May of 2014." 1210990;1437694396;mircea_popescu;geniuses over there. 1210991;1437694426;mircea_popescu;i would say Vlad Tsyrklevich thoroughly vindicates my side in the original discussio re these schmucks. 1210992;1437694480;mircea_popescu;they had to pick between opening webcam studio, call center or "security firm" and not able to find the female lips of either kind for either of the first two settled on what sweaty balls could do. 1210993;1437694862;mircea_popescu;and guess what... "Vlad likes long romantic walks on the beach, e-mail him sweet nothings to vlad@tsyrklevich.net using his gpg key." links to keybase. 1210994;1437694898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51606 @ 0.00052398 = 27.0405 BTC [-] 1210995;1437694908;mircea_popescu;too bad for him, he put all this effort into writing a neat article in the hopes of maybe impressing people, he's almost there and then he shoots his sale in the head with stupid associations like that. 1210996;1437694924;mircea_popescu;i guess it's the fate of the aspiring 14% to never know what actually sunk their decade of effort. 1210997;1437695086;mircea_popescu;omfg who the fuck got bloomberg to put that stupid lined paper background. what, they think ima think they're moar professional like this ? 1210998;1437695144;mircea_popescu;"Though these are separate cases, some of the individuals are linked. A principal in the alleged securities-fraud scheme is a business associate of one of those charged in the Florida bitcoin operation, a friendship dating back more than a decade to their days at Florida State University. 1210999;1437695144;mircea_popescu;The two are also identified in a previously unreported FBI memo that connects them to the investigation of the hack of JPMorgan as well as to incidents at Fidelity Investments Ltd. and E*Trade Financial Corp. JPMorgan officials argued initially that one of the largest U.S. bank hacks in history was the work of the Russian government." 1211000;1437695159;mircea_popescu;herp. fancy this : governments currently confuse individuals for governments now. 1211001;1437695349;mircea_popescu;" In June, JPMorgan reassigned Chief Information Security Officer Greg Rattray amid staff discord over his handling of the breach. Rattray and his boss, Jim Cummings, a former head of the U.S. Air Forces cyber-combat unit, were the chief advocates of the theory that the Russian government was involved in the breach" 1211002;1437695528;mircea_popescu;"On the 15th of this month Universal Pictures France filed a takedown request with Google (archived) demanding they remove from results sites hosting or linking pirated copies of Jurassic World. Among the addresses Universal demanded Google sanction was 127.0.0.1 which is the IP address a computer reserves for communicating with itself. This means that not only was Universal seeding its own film to pirates, it was like 1211003;1437695528;mircea_popescu;ly doing so from the same machine used detect and prepare a report on infringement for Universal." 1211004;1437695532;mircea_popescu;epic lol of all time. 1211005;1437695575;mircea_popescu;of course, this looks a lot more like someone not knowing their way around a netstat dump than a legitimate thing. because i don't imagine torrents work so that a computer ever advertises itself as localhost. 1211006;1437695587;mircea_popescu;they'd have seen it as whatever its ip actually were, if actually seeding. 1211007;1437695703;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo "Yet, in the situation where the very fabric and reliability of the Internet at large is threatened it is no one prerogative care that they are offering on open Denial of Service attack amplifier on their connection." i think you accidentally a verb. 1211008;1437695704;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211009;1437695874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233850 @ 0.00051523 = 120.4865 BTC [-] {2} 1211010;1437695876;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210976 << wai wat 1211011;1437695876;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 23:20:34; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform satisfied nao ? 1211012;1437695894;mircea_popescu;"Additionally, the FBI said that the Murgio sold bitcoins to victims of ransomware attacks such as Cryptowall. " << yeah, like various USG offices, including if memory serves a sherrif. i suppose this is now a crime, right ? selling bitcoin to the derps. them using public funds to pay the ransom IS FINE! 1211013;1437695899;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210981 << hanbot's node ? 1211014;1437695899;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 23:30:19; mod6: asciilifeform: the build we were discussing earlier is now up and running against 195.211.154.159 and seems to be pulling blocks again just fine. 1211015;1437695905;mircea_popescu;them having thew windows hole in the first time, for which they paid with more public funds, also fine. 1211016;1437695909;mircea_popescu;just selling them bitcoin is bad 1211017;1437695914;mircea_popescu;motherfucker shitforbrains. 1211018;1437695933;asciilifeform;'sold enemy of the crown water to drink' will eventually lead to gallows, yes 1211019;1437695938;mircea_popescu;NO. 1211020;1437695945;mircea_popescu;they sold the fucking crown AGENT water to drink. 1211021;1437695950;asciilifeform;naturally 1211022;1437695953;asciilifeform;how else caught ! 1211023;1437695956;mircea_popescu;nononono. 1211024;1437695957;asciilifeform;!s strela 1211025;1437695958;assbot;19 results for 'strela' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=strela 1211026;1437695964;mircea_popescu;the sold bitcoin to some derps who needed it to pay cryptolocker. 1211027;1437695971;mircea_popescu;such derps = usg law enforcement. 1211028;1437696000;mircea_popescu;basically, the situation here is, us marshall goes into gun shop, buys ammo, shotos his wife. 1211029;1437696014;mircea_popescu;is excused from murder, and from illegal use of his budget 1211030;1437696022;mircea_popescu;but they propose the gun shop owner did somethingwrong. 1211031;1437696051;asciilifeform;l0l aha 1211032;1437696062;mircea_popescu;"By selling bitcoins to the victims, the FBI, notably, holds Murgio responsible for enabling the criminals responsible for the attacks to receive the proceeds of their crimes." 1211033;1437696064;mircea_popescu;how about that ? 1211034;1437696077;mircea_popescu;"the victims" aka government agents, who both provide the holes and the payments, are a-ok. 1211035;1437696078;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210987 << to be fair, we (at least i) do not know for precisely how many seconds of actual-work he earned this. 1211036;1437696078;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 23:32:31; mircea_popescu: "Rosario is an Italian security researcher with specializations in browser security and fuzzing. [...] During this time he primarily focused on fuzzing SVG, XSLT, and XPath. He was paid $3.5k EUR per month" << alright ? guy made 50k a year. thinkaboutit. 1211037;1437696081;mircea_popescu;because government shit don't stink. 1211038;1437696083;mircea_popescu;fuck this. 1211039;1437696134;mircea_popescu;so it's not the fucking marshall's office that ENABLED the criminals by paying tax dollars for windows shit 1211040;1437696147;mircea_popescu;and it's also not the fucking marshall's office that ENABLED the criminals by paying them bitcoin 1211041;1437696156;mircea_popescu;no, no, it's the bitcoin salesman that's to blame. he did it all! 1211042;1437696171;asciilifeform;the only hypothesis that has a prayer of explaining all of this is that microshit is sacrosanct in usa 1211043;1437696175;asciilifeform;a kind of national church. 1211044;1437696184;mircea_popescu;i do not care for any explanation. 1211045;1437696213;asciilifeform;students of collective madness might care for explanation 1211046;1437696225;mircea_popescu;this is how people end up funding "terrorism", for the record, if anyone wondered. 1211047;1437696240;BingoBoingo;Undid accidentalied 1211048;1437696251;mircea_popescu;half a day of this shit, you're willing to pay money to anyone shooting that way. 1211049;1437696376;mircea_popescu;in any case : the front against the usg in the cyber world is only going to strengthen the way it's going. within a decade we will see full area denial in the sense that no govt anything will still run online. 1211050;1437696398;asciilifeform;ianal, but the legalistic talmudism (talmudic legalism?) under which the fl folks are being charged, was something more like 'sold ammo to fella who spoke of his criminal plan' rather than 'sold ammo to fella who turned out to be criminal' 1211051;1437696410;asciilifeform;this is a traditional thing in usa 1211052;1437696428;mircea_popescu;not what it says. 1211053;1437696434;*;asciilifeform reads 1211054;1437696481;asciilifeform;'In doing so, they knowingly exchanged cash for people whom they believed may be engaging in criminal activity. MURGIO and his co-conspirators have also knowingly exchanged cash for Bitcoins for victims of ransomware attacks...' 1211055;1437696496;mircea_popescu;quite. 1211056;1437696513;mircea_popescu;THE FUCKING USMS WAS ENGAGING IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY 1211057;1437696526;mircea_popescu;ie, defrauding the taxpayer to pay his cybercriminal buttbudies. 1211058;1437696566;asciilifeform;does seem like a straight application of 20th c. u.s. law, though. where it is formally illegal not to turn stoolie. 1211059;1437696578;mircea_popescu;how were they to know ? 1211060;1437696597;mircea_popescu;here is the case : 1. us marshall got a friend of his to intall a cryptolocker on the office computer. 1211061;1437696607;mircea_popescu;2. us marshall stole money from the office budget, to buy bitcoin with 1211062;1437696613;mircea_popescu;3. us marshall gave bitcoin to his friend. 1211063;1437696621;mircea_popescu;how is the bitcoin seller responsible for this ? 1211064;1437696626;mircea_popescu;what if he had bought a cow ? 1211065;1437696651;asciilifeform;sorta like dope peddler who buys a bag of 'coke' (sugar) from one usg provocateur and sells it to another 1211066;1437696666;mircea_popescu;and most importantly, where is the fraud, racketeering and criminal organisation/conspiuracy indictment for the us marshall in question ? 1211067;1437696670;asciilifeform;is considered just as guilty of the offence as one who was found with the genuine article 1211068;1437696672;asciilifeform;in usa. 1211069;1437696674;mircea_popescu;not AT ALL the same. 1211070;1437696677;mircea_popescu;not at all the same. 1211071;1437696717;mircea_popescu;it's sorta like the guy who does a lube job for the unmarked police car which the cop driving was using to steal coke from the evidence room. 1211072;1437696729;mircea_popescu;they failed to indict the cop and are prosecuiting the mechanic. 1211073;1437696734;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does this make sense. 1211074;1437696784;mircea_popescu;"he drove it in, i lubed it. it's what i do. what the fuck do you schmucks want ?" 1211075;1437696821;mircea_popescu;"i mean i get it, frantic activity as a cover for YOUR FUCKING IMPOTENCE, but really... get to terms with it already". 1211076;1437696889;*;asciilifeform gives up trying to 'make sense' of this nyooz, because, yes, it does not actually make sense as presented by usg 1211077;1437696895;mircea_popescu;this is why i say " within a decade we will see full area denial in the sense that no govt anything will still run online.". they're simply too weak and ineffectual to do anything that matters, and even they know it. by 2025 internet will be exactly like iraq for the usg. 1211078;1437696900;mircea_popescu;"show up here and get deaded 1211079;1437696941;asciilifeform;perhaps on that other internet, the one not owned & operated by usg subsidiaries 1211080;1437696983;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "owned". they don't havew the grip to own with, which is what the haks prove, and they know they do not have the resources or werewithal to get it, which is what this deranged prosecutorial overactivity proves. 1211081;1437696992;*;asciilifeform will probably have to take a plane (raft ? oxcart?) to visit ~that~ internet 1211082;1437696992;mircea_popescu;it's a foregone conclusion, they may operate it, but only for us. 1211083;1437697001;mircea_popescu;you're on it right now. 1211084;1437697041;mircea_popescu;the situation is quite exactly like that of the "16 yo with a hot ass owned and operated by her dad". yeah, it's true he made it. and it';s also true that his choices are, either suck up to me when i show up and offer me drinks 1211085;1437697044;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idk, last i checked i was on that one : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2015#1208902 1211086;1437697044;assbot;Logged on 21-07-2015 19:17:47; assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 17:31:20; ascii_field: disconnecting node 147.87.116.160:42162 socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 1211087;1437697048;mircea_popescu;or otherwise get beaten to shit, on a weekly basis,. 1211088;1437697057;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform won't last. 1211089;1437697079;asciilifeform;where will 'it' go, and exactly why ? 1211090;1437697102;mircea_popescu;same place jpm email archive went, for the same exact reason. 1211091;1437697191;mircea_popescu;and i'll say this to assuage your doubts : i am the man who said "you are not safe, for we know where you live". a year and change later, reality has borne my saying : the entire usg employee list, leaked. etc. 1211092;1437697210;asciilifeform;so how many are heads on pikes now ? 1211093;1437697215;mircea_popescu;turns out i perhaps DID actually know who everyone's cheating with at the time i said so. 1211094;1437697240;mircea_popescu;actual physical pikes ? none. 1211095;1437697277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174553 @ 0.00051326 = 89.5911 BTC [-] {2} 1211096;1437697343;asciilifeform;for that matter, leaked, but not - iirc - public 1211097;1437697346;mircea_popescu;heh. 1211098;1437697349;mircea_popescu;do you count lawsky ? 1211099;1437697350;asciilifeform;from my perch, could be disinfo 1211100;1437697362;asciilifeform;lawsky is still network 100x+ what i am 1211101;1437697364;mircea_popescu;wasn't he super-hotshot and whatnot a eyar ago ? 1211102;1437697365;scoopbot_revived;Before you board the plane to Italy, consider this. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/23/before-you-board-the-plane-to-italy-consider-this/ 1211103;1437697365;asciilifeform;that's no pike. 1211104;1437697370;mircea_popescu;mmkay. 1211105;1437697377;asciilifeform;*net worth 1211106;1437697382;mircea_popescu;ahnahahaah WHAT 1211107;1437697387;mircea_popescu;you can't math, seriously. 1211108;1437697406;asciilifeform;this may be true. my net worth is approximately 0 1211109;1437697415;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/ << pretty cool. 1211110;1437697416;assbot;Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTbGvk ) 1211111;1437697428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider i've done the aaaaah handfling at you. 1211112;1437697439;*;asciilifeform considers. 1211113;1437697488;asciilifeform;re: herr lawsky, wake me up when he's breaking his back 60-80h/wk to pay his rent. 1211114;1437697570;mircea_popescu;which you know he isn't, because you assume so and that makes it a fact. meanwhilke you aren't, but you asume you aree, because idem. 1211115;1437697576;asciilifeform;mandarins don't turn into mud dwellers in usa, in general 1211116;1437697576;mircea_popescu;i can't argue with magicians now can i. 1211117;1437697588;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "he's a nigger which makes him a thief" 1211118;1437697595;mircea_popescu;gotta try the mandarin cases invididually yes ? 1211119;1437697627;mircea_popescu;sure, mandarins didn't use to. but then bitcoin happened and we've wrounght a trail of destruction the likes of which 1211120;1437697636;mircea_popescu;was never seen nor will be seen again until next week's. 1211121;1437697637;asciilifeform;it is true that i do not own a telescope with sufficient magic to show me herr lawsky standing in a welfare queue 1211122;1437697644;asciilifeform;even if he is - through some miracle - in one. 1211123;1437697657;mircea_popescu;you do, just dun' wanna use it. 1211124;1437697676;mircea_popescu;it's very simple really : did he make da ? polcie comissioner ? housing comissioner ? 1211125;1437697691;mircea_popescu;if he didn't he's fucked. and you knoiw he didn't, and you know he got kicked out 1211126;1437697694;asciilifeform;why would i care what his title is 1211127;1437697696;mircea_popescu;past this, it's really just wilful denial. 1211128;1437697698;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. 1211129;1437697706;asciilifeform;i care if he has to break his back in honest wurk or not 1211130;1437697713;asciilifeform;and if not - why not. 1211131;1437697753;mircea_popescu;HE cares what his title is dude. that's what he dedicated his life to : supporting himself through titleage. which he lost. wtf more is there. 1211132;1437697762;asciilifeform;am i to think that he did not embezzle enough usd to live like taleb for his remaining days ? 1211133;1437697765;mircea_popescu;maybe he turned overnight into a successful 0day broker ? 1211134;1437697799;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the plain fact that there isn't half of enough in all of ny public system, recall the piddly sums they were prosecuting ex rankers for ? 1211135;1437697806;asciilifeform;entirely likely that he turned, overnightm into successful dirt-on-his-colleagues broker 1211136;1437697814;mircea_popescu;that doesn't pay. 1211137;1437697819;mircea_popescu;no rat in the history of ratting ever ate well. 1211138;1437697832;asciilifeform;gavin? 1211139;1437697843;mircea_popescu;pay him a visit sometime. 1211140;1437697850;mircea_popescu;not like he lives far off. 1211141;1437697878;asciilifeform;iirc he was pulling in roughly 2x the traditional rate for a programmer in east usa 1211142;1437697916;asciilifeform;(and, more importantly, for doing virtually nothing!) 1211143;1437697970;mircea_popescu;45 High St, Amherst MA. bring flowers, i don't imagine he'll kick you out. can have a nice cup of coffee. 1211144;1437697983;asciilifeform;to schmucks like /me who barely subsist on what passes for honest work in usa, gavin et al are especially galling. 1211145;1437697991;asciilifeform;even if it is not intuitively clear to mircea_popescu precisely why 1211146;1437697993;mircea_popescu;or the imagination thereof. 1211147;1437698014;mircea_popescu;which is why i suggest contact. it's a truth known since roman antiquity that only truth dispells the fantasms of onanism. 1211148;1437698023;mircea_popescu;which is why they had all the status. 1211149;1437698026;mircea_popescu;statues* 1211150;1437698064;*;asciilifeform has met one or two of his local 'gavins', and saw precisely what he would expect to see of andresen 1211151;1437698149;funkenstein_;early adopters comparing fiat salaries, news at 11 1211152;1437698157;funkenstein_;g'day m'lords 1211153;1437698165;asciilifeform;l0l what early adopter 1211154;1437698170;*;asciilifeform has ~0 coin 1211155;1437698335;*;funkenstein_ might need some dispelling os such fantasms 1211156;1437698543;*;hanbot wonders why asciilifeform takes it for granted that the turned are also honest self-representatives 1211157;1437698560;phf;i thought early adopters went by way of same in other gold rush situations. "bought pizza for half a pound of gold. later bought car for the other half. life's good mang". very few actually financially literate and with enough foresight for it to not be peanuts (i.e. "fortunes" ~~ 100-200k) 1211158;1437698765;asciilifeform;hanbot: i don't. but i notice that the address mircea_popescu gave does not have an 'apartment #' in it; nor is it in east dc 1211159;1437698765;asciilifeform;or even any place close to as cheap as where i live 1211160;1437698826;*;asciilifeform bbl 1211161;1437698827;scoopbot_revived;US Standards Institute Moves From Timekeeping to Methamphetamine http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-standards-institute-moves-from-timekeeping-to-methamphetamine/ 1211162;1437698912;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/CXVh9 1211163;1437698913;assbot;US Standards Institute Moves From Timekeeping to Methamphetamine | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTeBnU ) 1211164;1437699002;funkenstein_;lmao, you'll keep some real good time on that shit 1211165;1437699126;BingoBoingo;Also looks like zendesk.com has been hijacked to host spamzor articles 1211166;1437699136;funkenstein_; hey weren't you pretending to be a dwarf ? <-- yeah old story involving long dead game, also i don't need to pretend: mental dwarf 1211167;1437699356;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Or have a good time on that shit. 1211168;1437699408;funkenstein_;not really my thing 1211169;1437699467;BingoBoingo;At the very least you can get your kitchen very clean 1211170;1437699510;funkenstein_;in theory yes, in practice not so much 1211171;1437699513;hanbot;asciilifeform so it doesn't "have" an apt number. not like he likely "has" the box at that address, in whatever construction it may be. can make up all kinds of ideas about what people have while it's on paper. what they really own is almost never recognisable from a list. 1211172;1437700272;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210981 << hanbot's node ? << awe f. how i grabbed the wrong ip ... gfdi 1211173;1437700272;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 23:30:19; mod6: asciilifeform: the build we were discussing earlier is now up and running against 195.211.154.159 and seems to be pulling blocks again just fine. 1211174;1437700616;mod6;wait 1211175;1437700636;mod6;nosuchlabs.com. 1800 IN A 195.211.154.159 1211176;1437700647;mod6;what am I missing here. is that hanbots node? 1211177;1437700666;mod6;i thought that was the dulap? 1211178;1437700916;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/23/9acc0a1a9843e961cd2a2d990108193a.png 1211179;1437700918;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Op9GeS ) 1211180;1437700927;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211161 << l0l, uncle al has f1stt ps0t! 1211181;1437700927;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 00:47:07; scoopbot_revived: US Standards Institute Moves From Timekeeping to Methamphetamine http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-standards-institute-moves-from-timekeeping-to-methamphetamine/ 1211182;1437700974;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211175 << s.nsa flagship node. mine. 1211183;1437700974;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 01:17:16; mod6: nosuchlabs.com. 1800 IN A 195.211.154.159 1211184;1437700991;asciilifeform;or rather, one of the 3 i presently maintain 1211185;1437701012;asciilifeform;dulap, yes. 1211186;1437701015;mod6;i think i misunderstand your comment "hanbot's node ?" then. i thought you were trying to indicate that I was syncing against the wrong IP 1211187;1437701037;asciilifeform;mod6: i thought you were speaking of a node that was being built last night 1211188;1437701049;asciilifeform;(hanbot was asking various things re: patches, etc) 1211189;1437701055;mod6;ooh no. 1211190;1437701060;mod6;sorry. 1211191;1437701100;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211163 << this is actually very much sop among folks with access to suppliers, glass, etc. 1211192;1437701100;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 00:48:33; assbot: US Standards Institute Moves From Timekeeping to Methamphetamine | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1CTeBnU ) 1211193;1437701102;BingoBoingo;Uncle Al would be very welcome to contribute to Qntra if he ever took a break from disqus 1211194;1437701114;asciilifeform;but from what i know, it is not normally done for profit in the usual sense 1211195;1437701124;asciilifeform;but for more 'silk roady' reasons of 'want dope but no dopewot' 1211196;1437701125;mod6;so I had this build that i created on the 13th: 20150713-v0531-patched-glibc-gentoo-statorBuildScript 1211197;1437701179;asciilifeform;(in no case is the dope cost-competitive with the 'street') 1211198;1437701181;BingoBoingo; but for more 'silk roady' reasons of 'want dope but no dopewot' << Sure but usually they evade detection as they don't light the world on fire. What if NIST dope hit a cesium clock? How many leapseconds would follow 1211199;1437701204;asciilifeform;what if whitehouse kitchen greasefire burned clitler's clit ? 1211200;1437701206;asciilifeform;doesn't happen 1211201;1437701251;asciilifeform;plantations, even, had freestanding kitchens. (i was on an old plantation, and saw this alive, preserved, just last night.) for a reason.. 1211202;1437701269;funkenstein_;most addicts use croakers afaik 1211203;1437701276;asciilifeform;wtf is a 'croaker' 1211204;1437701277;mod6;and it sync'd against your dulap with -verifyall all the way up to 365454, then wedged for ~36 hours or so. but this evening, restarted it and continued sync'ing just fine. 1211205;1437701286;mod6;sorry for the delay. lol, had to find block number. 1211206;1437701290;funkenstein_;croaker is a "doctor" - gives "prescription" 1211207;1437701305;asciilifeform;where is the doctor that prescribes meth ? 1211208;1437701308;funkenstein_;slang i picked up from reading Burroughs 1211209;1437701311;asciilifeform;in 1936 ? 1211210;1437701312;mod6;currently on block: height=366125 1211211;1437701315;asciilifeform;time machine ? 1211212;1437701357;funkenstein_;amphetamines given to all age groups these days, just say "ADD" and you're in 1211213;1437701382;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: washington pravda is telling us that this incident involved proper meth 1211214;1437701472;BingoBoingo; where is the doctor that prescribes meth ? << Available as Desoxyn at most pharmacies 1211215;1437701493;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: thought it was banned in usa 1211216;1437701498;funkenstein_;i'm not sure what that extra methyl group gets you 1211217;1437701503;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: fat solubility 1211218;1437701504;BingoBoingo;Not at all, merely Schedule II 1211219;1437701536;BingoBoingo;Prescribed mostly for shithead kids 1211220;1437701541;funkenstein_;ah, so BingoBoingo's friends prefer it? 1211221;1437701585;asciilifeform;at any rate, if any idiot could get meth by getting 'diseased', there would be no mega-contraband market 1211222;1437701594;asciilifeform;(where is the underground 'prozac' market ?) 1211223;1437701610;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Nah. One of the kinds in my boy scout troop back in the day was on it. I'm guessing the profile for a kid that gets Desoxyn is maybe turning them into a hardcore addict at 13 might get them to focus on something. 1211224;1437701642;BingoBoingo;Anyways levomethamphetamine is available over the counter 1211225;1437701657;asciilifeform;go, isomerize. 1211226;1437701658;asciilifeform;l0l 1211227;1437701741;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211171 << the specifics of the dwelling aside, i am fairly confident that gavin doesn't have to show up to an office and program '9-5+' to get it 1211228;1437701741;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 00:58:33; hanbot: asciilifeform so it doesn't "have" an apt number. not like he likely "has" the box at that address, in whatever construction it may be. can make up all kinds of ideas about what people have while it's on paper. what they really own is almost never recognisable from a list. 1211229;1437701788;asciilifeform;instead, gets sinecure, like clinton 1211230;1437701829;trinque;none of the drugs they prescribe are any fun. 1211231;1437701838;trinque;if you're going to go to the trouble of buying illegal drugs, fuck prozac 1211232;1437701847;asciilifeform;well yes 1211233;1437701861;asciilifeform;hence i suspect that BingoBoingo is mistaken re: 'doctor prescribes' 1211234;1437701878;asciilifeform;i once looked up, technically american doctors can (could?) even prescribe cocaine 1211235;1437701880;asciilifeform;do they ? 1211236;1437701887;trinque;they have some not-as-fun variant of that too 1211237;1437701907;BingoBoingo; i once looked up, technically american doctors can (could?) even prescribe cocaine << Usually only prescribed as a local anesthetic 1211238;1437701914;asciilifeform;aha 1211239;1437701921;asciilifeform;the strongest, iirc, known. 1211240;1437701931;funkenstein_;benzocaine over the counter 1211241;1437701939;BingoBoingo;Essential for ear, eye, nose, and throat surgeries because vasoconstrictor 1211242;1437701984;BingoBoingo; hence i suspect that BingoBoingo is mistaken re: 'doctor prescribes' << They prefer not to prescribe because of rectal exam they get for having patient on it 1211243;1437702035;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211219 <<< i was prescribed dexamphetamine, nfi if similar but never saw the appeal in eating em like m&m's 1211244;1437702035;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 01:32:16; BingoBoingo: Prescribed mostly for shithead kids 1211245;1437702054;hanbot;asciilifeform the specifics of the dwelling aside, i am fairly confident that gavin doesn't have to show up to an office and program '9-5+' to get it << no, he just has to behave like a proper shitconduit. there's a lot of ways to gain various degrees of access to things, and most of them are unappealing. 1211246;1437702066;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Nah that's a few steps down 1211247;1437702067;hanbot; (hanbot was asking various things re: patches, etc) << still wip 1211248;1437702087;trinque;I took an adderall xr once and had an utterly terrible night, took notes on my entire calculus book 1211249;1437702103;trinque;because you know, I really needed to 1211250;1437702112;trinque;in pen no less 1211251;1437702132;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211234 <<< not cocaine but i have mentioned before some doctors working in depression clinics here prescribe ketamine 1211252;1437702132;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 01:37:58; asciilifeform: i once looked up, technically american doctors can (could?) even prescribe cocaine 1211253;1437702159;cazalla;charge well for it as well, something like $1000 a course 1211254;1437702191;trinque;iirc mdma is now being used in some PTSD cases here 1211255;1437702194;cazalla;we never did get the florida style pain clinics here though 1211256;1437702195;trinque;as well it should be 1211257;1437702218;BingoBoingo;Now ketamine is great. 1211258;1437702247;trinque;I don't particularly like being that far from knowing where I left reality 1211259;1437702251;BingoBoingo;Also merely Schedule III 1211260;1437702270;funkenstein_;so many schedules, so little time 1211261;1437702278;BingoBoingo;trinque: Too expensive to go that far. If you want to go that far there's cough syrup 1211262;1437702288;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/bRNnv 1211263;1437702289;assbot;Sipa what have you done ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpbUed ) 1211264;1437702296;trinque;heh 1211265;1437702311;trinque;salvia though, enjoyed the shit out of it 1211266;1437702326;trinque;whole thing was utter nonsense, including which way was up 1211267;1437702396;BingoBoingo;I planted a bunch of different plants from the salvia genus in the front yard this year. None are recommended for recreational consumption. 1211268;1437702414;funkenstein_;nice work, how do they grow? 1211269;1437702594;BingoBoingo;Vertically with nice flower spikes 1211270;1437702605;BingoBoingo;Also big leaves. 1211271;1437702651;cazalla;trinque, i'll pass having watched numerous "bad salvia trip" videos on youtube 1211272;1437702674;BingoBoingo;Kept throwing up fresh stalks of flowers all the way from early may when I planted them to a couple weeks ago on the purle ones. White ones less established by still flowering and growing 1211273;1437702702;mod6;asciilifeform: so we'd like to have dumpblock go into the release if possible -- both dump and eat need a bunch of testing and I've got some automated test scenarios working around dumpblock already. but I ran into the seg fault lastnight with too few parameters, i think i fixed it with this simple change: http://dpaste.com/2SRW78V.txt 1211274;1437702704;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpclFd ) 1211275;1437702712;mod6;thoughts? 1211276;1437702748;mod6;i have a replacement patch ready to go if you're alright with that change. 1211277;1437702748;trinque;cazalla: those are the kind of people that fight when an undertow grabs you at the beach 1211278;1437702759;trinque;you're headed out, back later 1211279;1437702772;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Look at Reddit's pathetic attempt to head off Euloria https://archive.is/8xNBB 1211280;1437702773;assbot;[Request] Bitcoin economy plugin for a minecraft server. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Opcqsw ) 1211281;1437702829;cazalla;trinque, not the sort of people you'd want to share a beer with let alone anything else 1211282;1437702852;mod6;<+asciilifeform> (hanbot was asking various things re: patches, etc) << ahhh right. hanbot, did you have any luck getting any of the patches applied? 1211283;1437703213;hanbot;mod6 not yet, still working on the 0.5.3.1-RELEASE, which so far won't build 'cause i haven't sorted the dependencies yet. i'll for sure update here once back at it. 1211284;1437703234;mod6;ok, you're on ubuntu right? 1211285;1437703357;BingoBoingo;To build stator on "Linux Mint" and ubuntu like I had to first hunt down and install the compilers, because why would a *nix need to ship with compilers 1211286;1437703360;mod6;if anyone has built this on v0.5.3.1-RELEASE feel free to pitch in here... 1211287;1437703400;BingoBoingo;Craptop's synced up to block 279xxx on stator 1211288;1437703429;funkenstein_;it built for me on ubuntu with build-essential 1211289;1437703452;mod6;but on debian, which is similar in a way to ubuntu with `apt-get`, you need to first update apt-get (anyone correct me if I'm wrong): `apt-get update` and `apt-get upgrade` 1211290;1437703470;mod6;then this is what we used to get the deps setup on debian 6 -- the package names might be similar on ubuntu: 1211291;1437703474;funkenstein_;yup 1211292;1437703483;hanbot;mod6 yeah, doing this on an old ubuntu laptop. 1211293;1437703500;mod6;oh. 1211294;1437703506;mod6;hmm 1211295;1437703604;hanbot;package names should be the same, yeah. only package i haven't been able to find in .deb form is glibc-static, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2015#1210151 1211296;1437703604;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 01:28:32; hanbot: so .deb package checked against .rpm file list shows libc_stubs.a missing, the other eleven are present. debian says no .deb packages contain this guy. i'm assuming i need it. auto.sh still errorful after grabbing everything else here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209888 (errorflurry: http://dpaste.com/26ZEG17 ). doesn't look like that missing library has anything to do with it, but prolly 1211297;1437703662;hanbot;but! i have to get openssl, bdb, & boost sorted first, for which i plan on using ben_vulpes ' ak47 doohickey. 1211298;1437703720;mod6;you know... it looks to me from that dpaste that it might not be finding the openssl/boost headers 1211299;1437703732;cazalla;AUD continues to tank http://i.imgur.com/dA18Sgy.png 1211300;1437703733;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdJaO ) 1211301;1437703781;mod6;i dunno, maybe im wrong. 1211302;1437703781;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol k 1211303;1437703787;BingoBoingo;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/9140869/Dantes-Divine-Comedy-offensive-and-should-be-banned.html 1211304;1437703788;assbot;Dante's Divine Comedy 'offensive and should be banned' - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdQmJ ) 1211305;1437703817;mircea_popescu;;;later tell diana_coman i found the snag : CHAT_SYSTEM_BASE in chat options for it to be logged. 1211306;1437703818;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211307;1437703836;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You don't understand. They are both World Building games. Why should actual economy make Euloria BEtter!!!HERPITY!!! 1211308;1437704014;hanbot;mod6 right, so i'ma use relevant snippets of http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000129.html (will not compile release itself with this), then see, will report. 1211309;1437704015;assbot;[BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build reference implementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlPThQ ) 1211310;1437704263;BingoBoingo;Is anyone else hoping for cheap open-channel SSDs. Seem like they would be great for raid 1+5 1211311;1437704338;mod6;hanbot: actually make sure to use this one: 000130.html -- the original one was setup for macos 1211312;1437704675;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i think there was already minecraft bitcoin casino or something like this a few years back, shitty game for autists anyway 1211313;1437704695;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Yeah. Dude ran to. Exit scam. 1211314;1437704730;cazalla;ah, really? i don't remember hearing that part 1211315;1437704736;BingoBoingo;Minecraft seems to mostly attract small children and autists. A very dangerous combination... legally 1211316;1437704760;BingoBoingo;cazalla: It was a while back. Dude also ran an operation called "BitAds" 1211317;1437704777;BingoBoingo;Pre-Qntra so not really news 1211318;1437704810;cazalla;BingoBoingo, as evident in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRdcptG365I 1211319;1437704811;assbot;Most awkward moments at Minecon 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpeX5Z ) 1211320;1437704823;BingoBoingo;lol 1211321;1437704979;mircea_popescu;god damned... so it turns out "modern" bios came up with the idea to introduce an "auto" ps/2 initialization, which means that if the ps2 mouse is present at boot, all works as expected, but if ps/2 mouse is not present at boot ONCE then the mouse will never again work and you're more than welcome to figure out what the shit happened. 1211322;1437704982;mircea_popescu;who does these things! 1211323;1437705003;mircea_popescu;"faster post time". fuck your mother it's unmeasurably faster. how long it takes to init ps/2, 3 microseconds ? 1211324;1437705115;mircea_popescu;"oh but everyone uses usb mice!!1". no, actually, they don't. look at the rf profile of the usb vs ps2 sometime and figure it out. 1211325;1437705187;mats;iirc Apple is responsible for 'EFI' 1211326;1437705201;mircea_popescu;woudln't surprise me. 1211327;1437705227;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211273 << looks fine. 1211328;1437705227;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 01:51:42; mod6: asciilifeform: so we'd like to have dumpblock go into the release if possible -- both dump and eat need a bunch of testing and I've got some automated test scenarios working around dumpblock already. but I ran into the seg fault lastnight with too few parameters, i think i fixed it with this simple change: http://dpaste.com/2SRW78V.txt 1211329;1437705268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00053176 = 28.1833 BTC [+] {2} 1211330;1437705313;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211284 << reminder to experimenters - given as this is a ~static~ binary, it oughta run on any reasonable linux, once built 1211331;1437705313;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 02:00:34; mod6: ok, you're on ubuntu right? 1211332;1437705329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00051664 = 14.6467 BTC [-] 1211333;1437705341;asciilifeform;so conceivably no need to build it again and again on every single machine you own 1211334;1437705366;asciilifeform;(esp. if you insist on owning boxes running cripplex unixen, e.g., 'ubuntu') 1211335;1437705389;mircea_popescu;worth testing this theory 1211336;1437705401;mircea_popescu;with all the shit we've had to go through with silently pseudostatic binaries 1211337;1437705406;asciilifeform;aha 1211338;1437705415;asciilifeform;the one and only real test... 1211339;1437705425;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/ac985befd00b278d45e84da536ec4da6/tumblr_mwfo1h0WMb1sqip1oo1_500.gif 1211340;1437705426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Opfvcc ) 1211341;1437705434;asciilifeform;i didn't even discover the pseudostaticity of 'pseudostatic' bin until attempted a pogo run 1211342;1437705475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what bios is this 1211343;1437705544;mircea_popescu;assus' new uefi shit 1211344;1437705573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00053178 = 15.0228 BTC [+] 1211345;1437705603;*;asciilifeform surprised that mircea_popescu isn't baking 'coreboot' (aka linuxbios) for his iron 1211346;1437705629;mircea_popescu;why would i run the same thing everywhere. 1211347;1437705635;asciilifeform;it doesn't have to be same! 1211348;1437705641;asciilifeform;1,001 config flagz. 1211349;1437705719;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. 1211350;1437705740;asciilifeform;also will note that ps/2 is plenty 'loud'. 1211351;1437705771;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211157 << mentions of a certain car are in the logs. 1211352;1437705771;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 00:42:40; phf: i thought early adopters went by way of same in other gold rush situations. "bought pizza for half a pound of gold. later bought car for the other half. life's good mang". very few actually financially literate and with enough foresight for it to not be peanuts (i.e. "fortunes" ~~ 100-200k) 1211353;1437705806;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211159 << he's also a good decade your senior yo. 1211354;1437705806;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 00:46:05; asciilifeform: or even any place close to as cheap as where i live 1211355;1437705819;asciilifeform;what of it 1211356;1437705836;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211164 < "i think maybe i'm a little fast but you can't really tell" 1211357;1437705836;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 00:50:02; funkenstein_: lmao, you'll keep some real good time on that shit 1211358;1437705869;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ so you tried eulora yet ? 1211359;1437705874;mircea_popescu;cuz we need more miners. 1211360;1437705881;mircea_popescu;especially the manic kind. 1211361;1437705959;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: When is minigame.bz hosting sources for the cal3d and crystalspace dependencies? 1211362;1437705995;mircea_popescu;ah right. ima get on that liek right nao. 1211363;1437706000;BingoBoingo;K. 1211364;1437706006;mircea_popescu;brb 1211365;1437706040;BingoBoingo;I just updated my system this week so the dependencies I compiled at their wrong version last week were purged. 1211366;1437706139;asciilifeform;'NIST Building 236 was previously used for combustion research but is now used for scientific research, Port told the AP. The Drug Enforcement Administration is investigating the case jointly with the MCPD.' 1211367;1437706139;asciilifeform;wat 1211368;1437706185;asciilifeform;http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/Louisiana-Theater-Shooting-Lafayette--318373531.html << ps0t4l 1211369;1437706186;assbot;2 Killed, 8 Injured in Louisiana Theater Shooting | NBC4 Washington ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpguZU ) 1211370;1437706344;BingoBoingo; wat << OpenBSD doesn't maintain binary compatibility between releases. They do stuff like kill deterministic rand() between 5.6 and 5.7 1211371;1437706365;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what, kernel abi changed ? 1211372;1437706367;asciilifeform;or just libc 1211373;1437706404;BingoBoingo;In this case it seems the kernel abi 1211374;1437706429;asciilifeform;what can i say, build along with kernel then 1211375;1437706433;asciilifeform;or even into it. 1211376;1437706483;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu, it looks awesome from your stories, i don't usually play games with graphics these days but time to change that methinks 1211377;1437706490;BingoBoingo;It's what I did when I updated this time. Between Kernel, userland, and stuff I like only ~6-8 hours of compiling 1211378;1437706498;asciilifeform;wai wat?!! 1211379;1437706500;asciilifeform;on what? 1211380;1437706501;asciilifeform;286 ? 1211381;1437706508;BingoBoingo;AMD E-350 1211382;1437706522;*;asciilifeform blows dust off e350 1211383;1437706526;BingoBoingo;Like an Intel atom, but with 2 cores and GPU 1211384;1437706543;asciilifeform;iirc 'atom' was 32bit only 1211385;1437706547;asciilifeform;so no, not as crippled 1211386;1437706553;BingoBoingo;Ah, this is AMD64 all the way 1211387;1437706589;BingoBoingo;I will say 5.7 has much better radeon GPU driver than 5.6 1211388;1437706591;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: these work great under 'coreboot' 1211389;1437706594;asciilifeform;give it a shot 1211390;1437706599;asciilifeform;it is pretty easy to build 1211391;1437706625;asciilifeform;if your bios eeprom is of the removable eight-legged kind, you can even buy one with room for bitcoin proper 1211392;1437706637;BingoBoingo;I might have to when 5.8 comes around. It is a Lenovo X120e running an Intel wireless card 1211393;1437706650;asciilifeform;portable? 1211394;1437706657;asciilifeform;never once seen one with removable eeprom 1211395;1437706670;asciilifeform;(unless you own a hot air station) 1211396;1437706680;BingoBoingo;Dunno if ROm is detachable, but machine is portable 1211397;1437706703;BingoBoingo;Never really identified the ROM in the many times I took this bitch apart to replace fan 1211398;1437706717;asciilifeform;if portable, then forget it 1211399;1437706770;BingoBoingo;The only thing that's broken during any of the disassemplies of this machine so far was the connector to the internal speakers. I consider that an improvement. 1211400;1437706779;mats;http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/ladies/nanette-we4559.html 1211401;1437706780;assbot;Nanette Packard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ophmh4 ) 1211402;1437706806;BingoBoingo;mats: She could get it 1211403;1437706824;asciilifeform;wai wat 1211404;1437706942;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: wat nao? 1211405;1437706963;mats;it's too bad there's no field for what they did to end up a convict 1211406;1437706970;asciilifeform;aha that 1211407;1437706983;mats;I bet this one killed her husband 1211408;1437706986;asciilifeform;theoretically - this is public record 1211409;1437706991;asciilifeform;could provide service! 1211410;1437706999;asciilifeform;index'em 1211411;1437707035;BingoBoingo;Now this one could REALLY get it >> http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/ladies/jennifer-156562.html 1211412;1437707036;assbot;Jennifer Richmond 156562 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlED3h ) 1211413;1437707102;cazalla;i use to write a few girls from that site BingoBoingo, inevitably they all asked for money 1211414;1437707117;BingoBoingo;http://accusedmadam.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-unique-and-selective-prosecution-of.html 1211415;1437707119;assbot;The Accused Madam: The Unique and Selective Prosecution of Jennifer Richmond ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlEIE1 ) 1211416;1437707120;cazalla;actually, it was write an inmate but similar shit 1211417;1437707122;asciilifeform;how do you know they even existed. 1211418;1437707128;BingoBoingo;cazalla: That's whar girls do 1211419;1437707207;BingoBoingo;That Jeniffer actually seems like the sort mircea_popescu respects 1211420;1437707243;BingoBoingo;cazalla asciilifeform: This is why you check the news to make sure they got arrested for something cool 1211421;1437707264;cazalla;lol yeah, i'd scope them out on google prior to writing 1211422;1437707272;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.vgamuseum.info/images/zaatharen/amd/APU/E350D_mobo.jpg << mine. the socketed eeprom is under the white 'e350m1' sticker above the pcie slot. 1211423;1437707276;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlEUDa ) 1211424;1437707294;BingoBoingo;Also apparently St Clair county judges hit maxint and rolled over. Case continued till late September still at evidentiary hearing 1211425;1437707329;cazalla;can't blame a guy for wanting his own bonnie parker 1211426;1437707375;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nice board. Real SATA and Real DIMMS 1211427;1437707389;mats;the girls just wanna buy some Nivea lotion and candy at the commissary 1211428;1437707464;BingoBoingo;The Jennifer Richmond link at blogspot, even though on blogspot seems to accurately reflect many aspects of pisshole US courts 1211429;1437707498;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cheap, and 100% blobless-linuxable and 'coreboot'able. what's not to like. 1211430;1437707537;asciilifeform;not so cheap it can be dropped from a plane, no 1211431;1437707540;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: My only complaint is hard to cool in a portable while keeping bitcoin in sync 1211432;1437707547;asciilifeform;and will only get rare, collectible, when amd is done dying 1211433;1437707551;mod6;asciilifeform: re: << looks fine. << want me to send this up then? http://dpaste.com/3B706XK.txt 1211434;1437707552;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlFctW ) 1211435;1437707569;asciilifeform;mod6: i'd prefer if you patched my patch 1211436;1437707573;asciilifeform;(or the output thereof) 1211437;1437707585;asciilifeform;there is, imho, never any reason to duplicate lines in patches 1211438;1437707597;asciilifeform;multiplies the work of reading, for no real gain 1211439;1437707608;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211400 <<< anyway, you want their mug shots, not glamour shots, this is how i thinned the field when writing heh 1211440;1437707608;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 02:59:39; mats: http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/ladies/nanette-we4559.html 1211441;1437707643;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: i'd prefer if you patched my patch << huh, ok. i kinda figured it'd be less messy the other way around. but... sure. 1211442;1437707644;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In Lenovo's X140e they have a version they brand on AMD's A4 line which seems like a die shrink of the E-350. I can't find anything on Liberating it though. 1211443;1437707659;asciilifeform;mod6: patch the result of my patch 1211444;1437707664;asciilifeform;ought to be very short 1211445;1437707696;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i see very little appeal in screwing with portables 1211446;1437707727;asciilifeform;if you carry one, as a necessary evil, to earn bread with - that's one thing 1211447;1437707728;BingoBoingo; mod6: patch the result of my patch << So if I figure out "diff" should I submit mintxrelayfee flag against 0.5.3.1, stator, or specify all preceeding patches. 1211448;1437707770;BingoBoingo;Portable is necessary evil to me because moves. 1211449;1437707823;BingoBoingo;Craptop syncing stator on mint may as well be desktop, just going to run as fixed node when sync'd, this machine though moves 1211450;1437707854;asciilifeform;craptops, in my experience, aren't really built for 24/7 duty 1211451;1437707868;asciilifeform;esp. under load. 1211452;1437707932;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: patch the result of my patch << will do! 1211453;1437707958;phf;re atom, it is 32bit only. i tried running stator on atom board with openbsd, it overheats, deferring until i figure out a cooling solution 1211454;1437707976;asciilifeform;phf: what board ? 1211455;1437707988;BingoBoingo;Well machine presently on, the X120e, I like to much to call craptop. Ran 2010 vintage games when on Winblows. 1211456;1437708021;phf;soekris net6501-50 1211457;1437708025;asciilifeform;mod6: overall idea is, 1) to minimize the total count of lines for readers to read 2) preserve chronology - 'mr x did this, then y found mistake, fixed, ...' 1211458;1437708026;mats;BingoBoingo: how about an 'ultra small form factor' machine? 1211459;1437708073;*;asciilifeform has always been astonished at how overpriced 'soekris' product line is 1211460;1437708084;asciilifeform;and i mean factor of 4-5x 1211461;1437708116;BingoBoingo;mats: As I use portable integrated display and kbd necessary. 'ultra small form factor' becomes attractive to me when very cheap colo offered. Otherwise display places natural minimum size 1211462;1437708130;asciilifeform;compare: http://soekris.com/products/net5501-60-board.html vs http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1d4.htm 1211463;1437708132;assbot;net5501-60 Board only - Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlGsNA ) 1211464;1437708132;assbot;PC Engines apu1d4 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlGsNE ) 1211465;1437708147;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: soekris is popular among BSD folk because reputation 1211466;1437708159;asciilifeform;'how would you like less of everything, plus intel turd, plus 2x the cost' 1211467;1437708194;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, i remeber reading this in the logs 1211468;1437708206;BingoBoingo;net5501-60 Board is probably too little processor for reasonable bitcoin, especially in portable 1211469;1437708215;asciilifeform;and 'engines' isn't even an esp. cheap vendor 1211470;1437708262;BingoBoingo;E350 routinely pulls 25-33% CPU use staying sync'd not including new block spikes 1211471;1437708297;asciilifeform;hey, incitatus is a 'celeron' 1211472;1437708304;asciilifeform;circa 2007ish 1211473;1437708317;BingoBoingo;Or so corenetworks says 1211474;1437708321;asciilifeform;aha 1211475;1437708341;asciilifeform;let's put it this way, it is certainly no faster than one. 1211476;1437708393;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile X120e with E350 sits on knee while I smoke cigarettes in garage (maybe should stop doing this) 1211477;1437708432;phf;asciilifeform: fwiw i've not tried pcengines yet, but i might get it for an additional openbsd machine on your recommendation. compared to soekris though a lot of boards that i tried have dodgy reliability. i.e. random crashes. like BingoBoingo said though, this might just be a reputation impression 1211478;1437708472;BingoBoingo;phf: You edit login.conf on openbsd to free up ram, yes? 1211479;1437708479;asciilifeform;phf: i have not personally tried openbsd on them. but note that if you buy the 'apu' model, must also buy the metal tin. there are no screwholes for heat sink. it is pressed on by the board mounting upside-down in its native tin case. 1211480;1437708493;BingoBoingo;Ah 1211481;1437708518;BingoBoingo;Heat has always been the real enemy 1211482;1437708573;asciilifeform;phf: also note that it is 'headless' 1211483;1437708615;asciilifeform;!up sueastside 1211484;1437708621;BingoBoingo;Oh, Federal prison http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/ladies/dawn-13849030.html 1211485;1437708622;assbot;Dawn Hightree 13849-030 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlHCZn ) 1211486;1437708638;phf;BingoBoingo: i haven't, but that board specific board has 1gb of ram, and i'm hardly using up 200mb right now 1211487;1437708665;phf;but i'll read the mans 1211488;1437708671;asciilifeform;exercise for alert reader (tm) : write a program which generates 'girls' for BingoBoingo to send money to. 1211489;1437708683;BingoBoingo;lol 1211490;1437708688;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1211491;1437708688;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/24DYAE0.txt ) 1211492;1437708777;mats;women's prisons sound like an extra long trip at the country club 1211493;1437708843;cazalla;asciilifeform, you can write with zero intention of sending money, replies usually stop by the 3rd or 4th letter although a few girls wrote me 10 pagers 1211494;1437708843;mats;fucking volleyball 1211495;1437708937;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2673 1211496;1437708938;assbot;JL: When Whiggers Attack! ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpjHIZ ) 1211497;1437708952;cazalla;i had one inmate write to say the warden or whatever had just informed her her father had died while she was writing the letter (requested money same letter).. so i scan the obits for where she grew up and it was there, but letters stopped after the next letter 1211498;1437709001;BingoBoingo;The Federal prison in Greenville actually closer to me than county's own jail 1211499;1437709026;BingoBoingo;Southern Illinois is truly the Australia of the 21st century 1211500;1437709065;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://plus.google.com/107126550302618488223/reviews?hl=en&gl=us 1211501;1437709066;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpjS6V ) 1211502;1437709160;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: My chess coach during my youth was actually a salaried chaplin there. Was part of the team that gave Timmy his last rights. 1211503;1437709172;asciilifeform;wasn't that in indiana ? 1211504;1437709178;BingoBoingo;It was 1211505;1437709188;BingoBoingo;Terra Haute, also reasonable drive from here 1211506;1437709197;asciilifeform;and wai wut, you get >1 priest ? 1211507;1437709200;asciilifeform;spiffy! 1211508;1437709206;BingoBoingo;They brought in a team though to avoid objections. 1211509;1437709241;BingoBoingo;This is 'Murica. Stimulants are hard to get, but damn it you will get your spiritual needs addressed in prison. 1211510;1437709282;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/@38.871523,-89.409635,3a,75y,205.76h,98.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEFeIisfjuo39qLDpKiV7_w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 1211511;1437709283;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlIHAq ) 1211512;1437709328;BingoBoingo;Also yes once again county fair this week is happening practically in my front yard. 1211513;1437709352;BingoBoingo;Combine demolition derby tonight. 1211514;1437709369;BingoBoingo;Once you've seen it twice you've seen pretty much all the outcomes. 1211515;1437709448;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I actually go to the Greeneville DMV usually because no waiting. If wait then I go to the Pinckneyville DMV because even less waiting 1211516;1437709472;cazalla;BingoBoingo, end the evening with a fireworks display? 1211517;1437709479;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Nope 1211518;1437709490;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i see some changes and i don't want to publicize the wrong package so this will have to wait until chetty shows up. im making it a top priority, should be hours. 1211519;1437709495;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Unless if that is a suggestion, then maybe 1211520;1437709520;cazalla;BingoBoingo, it is how country fair held where i grew up always ended 1211521;1437709520;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Cool, because my entire concern is wrong package. Especially given the current host's reputations 1211522;1437709521;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/@38.863036,-89.405708,3a,67.3y,315.02h,93.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2upNM8Nue2xOX0_2oFNwDA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 << arbeit macht frei 1211523;1437709522;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpknOn ) 1211524;1437709558;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Doesn't end until Sunday. Used to run Sunday to Saturday. Now Runs Tuesday through Sunday. 1211525;1437709563;decimation;BingoBoingo: isn't there a big prison near Terra Haute? 1211526;1437709585;BingoBoingo;decimation: Yeah, that's where the Feds reintroduced the death penalty 1211527;1437709603;mircea_popescu;honestly this entire bs caught me unaware in spite of yeah shoulda known better. somehow assumed wtf, it's foss, will be ok. 1211528;1437709611;mircea_popescu;anyway. will keep mirrors of signed copies. 1211529;1437709630;decimation;Terra Haute is kinda an armpit but Rose Hulman is nice 1211530;1437709659;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ it only has a little gfx anyway 1211531;1437709690;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You ever Google Maps the former Prison at Tamms? Greenville is merely Federal Medium security. Tamms was Illinois own Super Max until Amnesty International shut it down. 1211532;1437709722;mircea_popescu;"Here I am! I am a single, attractive, outgoing, " .... 1211533;1437709726;mircea_popescu;bitch... you're in prison! 1211534;1437709728;mircea_popescu;outwhat ? 1211535;1437709733;asciilifeform;ingoing. 1211536;1437709766;mircea_popescu;she also likes to travel. 1211537;1437709784;mircea_popescu;"ok, let's go to dubai" "k ima ask my guard. uh... can we go to block B instead ?" 1211538;1437709785;asciilifeform;who said prisoners don't travel 1211539;1437709798;asciilifeform;in usa, they often get shipped, bound and gagged, in a bus, across the country 1211540;1437709799;mircea_popescu;how much travel to courthouses do you think i engage in? 1211541;1437709802;asciilifeform;often for no special reason 1211542;1437709812;asciilifeform;usedtabe called 'bus therapy', i'm told 1211543;1437709826;BingoBoingo; in usa, they often get shipped, bound and gagged, in a bus, across the country << When traveling in search of fiat income I see many. 1211544;1437709882;BingoBoingo;Not long ago on I-64 there was a multi-prison bus accident near Nashville Illinois. Fun reports. 1211545;1437709907;mod6;i think the turdolator ate my email 1211546;1437709929;asciilifeform;iirc, in us - just as in su - it is not permissible to open a prisonwagen outside of the wire. and if it burns in a wreck - tough cookies for the occupants.. 1211547;1437709938;decimation;many of these prisons are in rural areas with nothing else going on; most of the guards are multiple generations in the job 1211548;1437709972;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211222 << basically this is the argument against sr economicality all over again then ? 1211549;1437709972;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 01:33:14; asciilifeform: (where is the underground 'prozac' market ?) 1211550;1437709976;mod6;;;later tell jurov can you check the btc-dev list and see if I have an email stuck in there? 1211551;1437709976;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211552;1437709990;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761383 1211553;1437709990;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:06; decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words 1211554;1437710008;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ended up mostly sending prisoners to hospitals in St Louis Missouri and Springfield Illinois. More Urgent cases... Went the extra hundred or so miles to Springfield. 1211555;1437710011;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=459561500779 (Marco Hien ; ) 1211556;1437710016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1211557;1437710016;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Marco Hien ; ) 1211558;1437710019;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1211559;1437710019;asciilifeform;eyheyhey 1211560;1437710031;mircea_popescu;what's the couint by now 1211561;1437710037;asciilifeform;'...how many' keys '...have you killed today!' 1211562;1437710042;asciilifeform;100 ! 1211563;1437710043;BingoBoingo;100 who wants to write the qntra? 1211564;1437710043;asciilifeform;sharp. 1211565;1437710054;mircea_popescu;cool! 1211566;1437710059;mircea_popescu;485121325 digits 1211567;1437710062;mircea_popescu;that's not updated is it 1211568;1437710065;asciilifeform;nope 1211569;1437710068;asciilifeform;it moves when the motor stops 1211570;1437710075;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 1001109 << ehehe 1211571;1437710080;asciilifeform;(which is probably next thursday at this rate) 1211572;1437710115;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Would you like to grace qntra with news on the 100 keys factored? 1211573;1437710145;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo may have the honour 1211574;1437710148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30042 @ 0.00053178 = 15.9757 BTC [+] 1211575;1437710160;asciilifeform;i'm about to turn in for the night 1211576;1437710180;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211548 << not sure how connects ? 1211577;1437710180;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 03:52:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211222 << basically this is the argument against sr economicality all over again then ? 1211578;1437710196;mircea_popescu;you just said bs pills market doesn't exist. 1211579;1437710227;asciilifeform;appears (from my admittedly distant perch) to exist for certain pills and not others ? 1211580;1437710262;asciilifeform;and for the wotless, nothing exists but the embezzled labware (or sr, when there was one) 1211581;1437710264;decimation;not a big street market for warfarin 1211582;1437710290;BingoBoingo;Pills are like unix. Market gets more interesting for less documented and harder to accomplish. 1211583;1437710358;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211262 << actually this is a fairly legitimate way to try and hinder btc mempool propagation from the usg side. 1211584;1437710358;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 01:44:48; BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/bRNnv 1211585;1437710371;mircea_popescu;course we nuked dns meanwhile, but the power rangers will have problems. 1211586;1437710396;mircea_popescu;more "ba parachute jit" stuff. 1211587;1437710503;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: earlier thread, my hypothesis was that mr. nist wanted some dope and literally the only way he could conceive of getting it was to... make it 1211588;1437710565;asciilifeform;wanted in the sense of, to eat, personally 1211589;1437710616;asciilifeform;i have no idea if this makes sense to anyone but me 1211590;1437710642;decimation;it strikes me as more likely that it was some lowbrow schmoe with a gand scheme 1211591;1437710688;asciilifeform;if i needed dope for something, would be just as stuck as if needed plutonium 1211592;1437710719;asciilifeform;it literally does not exist in my universe 1211593;1437710746;decimation;you have the mental capacity & resourcefulness to make some 1211594;1437710758;decimation;not that it would be a terribly wise course 1211595;1437710775;asciilifeform;mr nist-dope exploded even with pro equipment 1211596;1437710797;asciilifeform;a not-uncommon situation in perfectly legit organic chem, incidentally 1211597;1437710801;asciilifeform;just ask uncle al 1211598;1437710812;asciilifeform;(who once lost, iirc, half of his skin) 1211599;1437710832;decimation;my former high school chemistry teacher complained about chemical engineers; they seemed to think nothing of boiling hexane 1211600;1437710850;asciilifeform;how do you intend to remove it from solution without boiling ? 1211601;1437710905;phf;i assumed same thing as asciilifeform, because sop in soviet union. my uncle died like that, botched centrifugation to extract alcohol from whatever was available, at his lab 1211602;1437710947;asciilifeform;aha. 1211603;1437711060;BingoBoingo;There are worse things in the world, like peroxide http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2014/10/10/things_i_wont_work_with_peroxide_peroxides.php 1211604;1437711062;assbot;Things I Won't Work With: Peroxide Peroxides. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlKCoJ ) 1211605;1437711062;scoopbot_revived;Phuctor Factors 100th RSA Modulus http://qntra.net/2015/07/phuctor-factors-100th-rsa-modulus/ 1211606;1437711098;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/WhqS7 1211607;1437711098;assbot;Phuctor Factors 100th RSA Modulus | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlKJ3K ) 1211608;1437711108;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in the near east, it is - i am told - traditional to blow oneself up with peroxide of acetone 1211609;1437711119;asciilifeform;(would-be 't3rr0r1st35111!!!') 1211610;1437711149;BingoBoingo;Well Hydrogen peroxide can be stable in some solutions. More organic peroxides... less so 1211611;1437711155;phf;(or, for the curious, expected ethanol, but got methanol) 1211612;1437711169;asciilifeform;^ traditional 'prohibition' death 1211613;1437711175;asciilifeform;in usa also 1211614;1437711197;BingoBoingo;Things though always get worse http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/10/21/things_i_wont_work_with_triazadienyl_fluoride.php 1211615;1437711199;assbot;Things I Won't Work With: Triazadienyl Fluoride. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlKMfW ) 1211616;1437711220;BingoBoingo; (or, for the curious, expected ethanol, but got methanol) << This is why I greatly prefer distilled spirits to beer 1211617;1437711224;decimation;hydrofloric acid is pretty nasty too 1211618;1437711251;BingoBoingo;This is La Monde! Where do you expect anything that isn't nasty! 1211619;1437711285;hanbot;le monde. 1211620;1437711351;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://journals.lww.com/em-news/Fulltext/2004/10000/The_Jake_Walk_and_Limber_Trouble__A_Toxicology.45.aspx << related 1211621;1437711371;BingoBoingo;Eh, only 600 ml of vodka in tonight so far. Got the sads over Judge rotation. 1211622;1437711415;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently that article has drm preventing my access 1211623;1437711451;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/vrccl 1211624;1437711452;assbot;The Jake Walk and Limber Trouble: A Toxicology Epidemic : Emergency Medicine News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlL5HD ) 1211625;1437711584;asciilifeform;^ often incorrectly attributed, in nth-generation derp sources, to methanol 1211626;1437711585;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AH, proto-glyphosate 1211627;1437711603;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211313 << wow srsly ? never heard of this one. how much ? 1211628;1437711603;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 02:24:55; BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah. Dude ran to. Exit scam. 1211629;1437711635;mircea_popescu;i recall back when he was promoting it, it having a very distinct bitcoin-insanity vibe to it. 1211630;1437711672;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll have to dig up what the minecraft casino was called. Forums figured ~150 BTC. Happened if I correctly recall right around TradeFartress deflated 1211631;1437711692;mircea_popescu;aha 1211632;1437711701;BingoBoingo;BitVegas it was called 1211633;1437711724;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211589 << i can see it. 1211634;1437711724;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 04:03:36; asciilifeform: i have no idea if this makes sense to anyone but me 1211635;1437712034;BingoBoingo;If university lab offers glass and hard to find reagents why not? 1211636;1437712140;BingoBoingo;It reportedly takes serious glass to make serious glass 1211637;1437712196;BingoBoingo;And France kills itself http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150723_08.html 1211638;1437712197;assbot;France to reduce reliance on nuclear power - News - NHK WORLD - English ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlLXMd ) 1211639;1437712366;asciilifeform;'They said it would be unrealistic to close more than 20 of 58 reactors now in operation in the next 10 years. The legislation also includes a target of reducing the country's greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent by 2030, compared to the level in 1990. The new law aims to eventually halve France's energy consumption by 2050 from the 2012 level.' 1211640;1437712380;asciilifeform;^ entirely realistic. france --> morocco. 1211641;1437712392;asciilifeform;as was the plan. 1211642;1437712416;decimation;wtf why stop using nuke plants 1211643;1437712432;asciilifeform;because what do bedouins need mains current for 1211644;1437712447;decimation;talk about decline 1211645;1437712529;BingoBoingo;lol, small difference between studio apartments with gypsum drywall and mudhuts which happen to have a lot of gypsum in the walls. Just normally the huts are more durable 1211646;1437712533;asciilifeform;'The senior officers of the GRU have a particular dislike of Western nuclear power stations, which reduce the West's dependence on imported oil (including Soviet oil) and make it stronger and more independent. They are one of spetsnaz's, most important targets.' 1211647;1437712541;asciilifeform;( http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html where else ) 1211648;1437712542;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlMm1e ) 1211649;1437712556;decimation;lol turns out they didn't need to blow them up 1211650;1437712573;asciilifeform;'useful idiots' in europe are the gift that will keep on giving for a century+. 1211651;1437712599;asciilifeform;of course, it was rather like bio warfare, nobody ever found a way to keep them out of ru proper 1211652;1437712612;asciilifeform;wind blew'em back in 1211653;1437712628;decimation;heh yeah it's true 1211654;1437712635;BingoBoingo; wind blew'em back in << Ru shares the problem with US east coast 1211655;1437712698;BingoBoingo;Can't avoid shitting where it eats 1211656;1437712768;decimation;asciilifeform: also the germans did something similar 1211657;1437712788;decimation;after the fukoshima thing showed how the worst-case scenario wasn't particularly dangerous 1211658;1437712843;decimation;of course, it's always 'because reasons' - certainly it's not because in their heart of hearts they wish to destroy themselves 1211659;1437712846;asciilifeform;jp, if you recall, played with 'cancel the nuke plants' until they got tired of breathing diesel smoke and didn't feel like going back to the 17th c. quite yet 1211660;1437712858;BingoBoingo;decimation: I beg to differ https://i.imgur.com/f9Yyww8.jpg 1211661;1437712859;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlMIVC ) 1211662;1437712901;BingoBoingo;Problem is stupid nuclear plants that can't sustain cooling... Like my laptop 1211663;1437712930;decimation;sure they can. designs exist today that would self-quench under any disaster, without power 1211664;1437712946;decimation;fukoshima was a mediocere design in an idiotic location 1211665;1437712958;decimation;and operated by idiots 1211666;1437712965;asciilifeform;designs exist that fit in a cellar ('pellet system') 1211667;1437712975;asciilifeform;could cost what a truck costs 1211668;1437712982;decimation;yeah, free-floating uranium pellets 1211669;1437712983;BingoBoingo;decimation: Yes self quenching and sane designs exist, but BUILT where? 1211670;1437712986;asciilifeform;'But It Would Be Wrong!' (tm) (r) (uncle al) 1211671;1437712997;decimation;BingoBoingo: of course, nobody builds new designs because reasons 1211672;1437713010;decimation;even though they have turned out to be extremely profitable 1211673;1437713050;BingoBoingo;Calloway County Missouri has comparatively new reactor. Shut down and restarted because stupid all around. Even in middle of nowhere. 1211674;1437713054;decimation;even 40 miles from ascii is a nuke plant that has been relicensed for another 20 years as I recall 1211675;1437713075;BingoBoingo; even though they have turned out to be extremely profitable << Fiat arbitrarity prevents this 1211676;1437713095;BingoBoingo;Gotta preserve the existing ones by population centers 1211677;1437713100;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: usg is specifically opposed to inexpensive, simple, reliable fission 1211678;1437713109;decimation;^ 1211679;1437713115;asciilifeform;the costly, finicky, occasionally problematic kind - they're fine with 1211680;1437713155;decimation;it's not hard to do the math and realize that a few hundred kg of U is way cheaper to supply in the long run than massive quantities of coal 1211681;1437713156;BingoBoingo;Eventually USG will fall and finally I can ssemble motorcarriage I like 1211682;1437713162;asciilifeform;(can you say 'petrodollar', kidz?) 1211683;1437713163;decimation;the coal lobby hates this idea, for one 1211684;1437713167;decimation;^ 1211685;1437713172;decimation;not just oil but also coal 1211686;1437713179;decimation;major political muscle there 1211687;1437713195;asciilifeform;it isn't even about selling coal 1211688;1437713195;BingoBoingo; (can you say 'petrodollar', kidz?) << Shame when everythig is forced to move to corn plastics 1211689;1437713205;decimation;plus, coal plant shits more radiation everywhere in the form of C14 1211690;1437713238;BingoBoingo; it isn't even about selling coal << During my two years at Mizzou they installed a Wood Chip furnace at their power plant. 1211691;1437713244;decimation;asciilifeform: that's the 'bootleggers' to the 'baptists' - the enviro-nuts 1211692;1437713252;asciilifeform;usg doesn't like the idea of plebes with megawatt in their pocket, that's all 1211693;1437713293;decimation;asciilifeform: I was pondering this the other day with the supposed 'tax-free' retirment scheme called Roth 1211694;1437713315;decimation;you can gift your tax free account to your spouse when you die, but if your kids get it they must begin drawing down 1211695;1437713317;asciilifeform;afaik all such chumpatrons are approximately the same 1211696;1437713332;asciilifeform;'jam tomorrow' 1211697;1437713345;decimation;yes but this particular feature is interesting: why would usg want to ensure that the children fail to gain 'independent wealth' 1211698;1437713382;*;BingoBoingo completely weaned from butane lighters nao 1211699;1437713384;asciilifeform;because that's for the aristo children 1211700;1437713387;decimation;of course, the answer is the same as your powerplant theory: usg-unapproved power centers must be strangled in the crib 1211701;1437713427;decimation;some pleb saving and endowing a fortune outside of usg's control is unthinkable 1211702;1437713442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00051664 = 22.9646 BTC [-] 1211703;1437713516;decimation;the mind boggles at the various little staffers dreaming of ways to ensure the survival of the present usg regime even long beyond their own retirements 1211704;1437713537;asciilifeform;there is no reason for them to have to think of it. it is baked into the machine 1211705;1437713558;asciilifeform;'we do x because the 3-ring binder says: do x' 1211706;1437713597;asciilifeform;and it will read 'x', not 'y', because if it were 'y', and 'y' is, e.g., 'disinherit john brennan rothchild' someone might Have Problems 1211707;1437713652;asciilifeform;i.e. Accident4lly!11 nailgun himself to his pillow in bed, while in a single-car crash, of natural causes. 1211708;1437713652;decimation;asciilifeform: the amusing thing is that lord rothchild need not even make his position clear, it's already imagined and taken into account 1211709;1437713661;BingoBoingo;Naptha, fuel of the future 1211710;1437713749;asciilifeform;decimation: naturally. a 'lord' who has to actually dictate every 'x' is no lord, but 'floor boss' 1211711;1437713787;decimation;indeed once he has to show up and explain it the gig is up 1211712;1437713803;asciilifeform;'the spartan speaks with his' nailgun. 1211713;1437713870;BingoBoingo;PREPARE FOR GLORY 1211714;1437714060;BingoBoingo;EARTH, WATER? You will find plenty down THERE! 1211715;1437714212;decimation;heh http://www.ap.org/content/press-release/2015/ap-makes-one-million-minutes-of-history-available-on-youtube < ap mistakenly puts lots of history online 1211716;1437714213;assbot;AP makes one million minutes of historical footage available on YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlOtCf ) 1211717;1437714232;mod6;;;later tell jurov nevermind, i reformatted it a bit and resent, went through this time. 1211718;1437714234;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211719;1437714278;decimation;for instance, this 1974 film showing street scenes in Rhodesia, where you can see how the black folks were being oppressed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFRS5cN_hI 1211720;1437714279;assbot;RHODESIA FILM - NO SOUND - COLOUR - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlOAgZ ) 1211721;1437714597;*;BingoBoingo wonders what it says of Anglo society that Dante is exalted while William Blake is mentioned only in horror tales. 1211722;1437714629;asciilifeform;wasn't there a link just earlier today re: dante banned 1211723;1437714654;decimation;lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByrCApckF60 1211724;1437714655;assbot;Prospecting for Uranium on Your Holiday? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlOZAa ) 1211725;1437714657;BingoBoingo;Yes, I dropped it. 1211726;1437714666;BingoBoingo;But when was Blake ever allowed 1211727;1437714851;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEw8g0obxEg < also amusing, rhodesian gentleman discovers bat guano deposits on his land, oppresses black folk into helping him dig it out 1211728;1437714852;assbot;STRIKING IT RICH - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlPfPK ) 1211729;1437714952;BingoBoingo;62249, Highland, Illinois 1211730;1437714992;BingoBoingo;sorry last msg for prison bitch 1211731;1437715067;decimation;BingoBoingo: surely prisoners have no internet 1211732;1437715092;BingoBoingo;Shhhh... I got dreamz 1211733;1437715209;BingoBoingo;Madness? THIS IS SPARTA (or about 30 miles away from Sparta, IL) 1211734;1437715586;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM3xRbFadwM < here's the british oppressing rhodesia with hydroelectricity 1211735;1437715587;assbot;KARIBA DAM REPORT - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBspED ) 1211736;1437716042;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes merci ! 1211737;1437716042;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211738;1437716169;pete_dushenski;;;later tell asciilifeform nice finds. yes, treblinka wasn't -only- rebellion, but 0.5% of jews killed in 'shoah' fought back in the way depicted in those films. not great. 1211739;1437716169;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211740;1437716218;pete_dushenski;but if i say that 0.5% is too small, what's a better proportion ? double digits doesn't sound unreasonable. 1211741;1437716249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.0005187 = 33.0412 BTC [+] 1211742;1437716294;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bitstein toda raba ! 1211743;1437716294;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211744;1437716339;pete_dushenski;;;later tell Adlai your transliteration broke my (online) translation skillz ! 1211745;1437716339;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211746;1437716364;pete_dushenski;;;later tell kakobrekla myep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG703QSalhg 1211747;1437716365;assbot;The Dictator Boy or Abortion? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlRKBF ) 1211748;1437716365;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1211749;1437716565;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211303 << omggtfo 'Gherush 92' belongs in the 7th circle 1211750;1437716565;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 02:09:47; BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/9140869/Dantes-Divine-Comedy-offensive-and-should-be-banned.html 1211751;1437716673;BingoBoingo;We really need to flatten the circles a bit 1211752;1437716675;pete_dushenski;it just so happens that i just finished alberto manguel's 'curiousity', which is in essence a long-winded essay about la commedia. 1211753;1437716736;pete_dushenski;can't say i'd really recommend manguel's book, it was a bit too much about him being old and his life and times living all over the world 1211754;1437716750;pete_dushenski;but at least the guy's well read, there's no denying that 1211755;1437716768;BingoBoingo;Ah 1211756;1437716782;pete_dushenski;the breadth and depth of his cross-references between la commedia and the entire western cannon is not to be downplayed 1211757;1437717065;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/23/before-you-board-the-plane-to-italy-consider-this/ << updated. 1211758;1437717066;assbot;Before you board the plane to Italy, consider this. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBtZ9t ) 1211759;1437717125;pete_dushenski;never hit publish right before going for a spot of exercise, all the little holes and parallels reveal themselves through physical motion ! 1211760;1437717156;pete_dushenski;the parallel between italy and jamaica struck me this time round. 1211761;1437717191;pete_dushenski;"Italy is well on its way to answering the corollary of the question answered by Jamaica, namely “What would Africa look like if we gave it a whack-load of European infrastructure and walked away ?” and therefore answers the question “What would European infrastructure look like if we gave it a whack-load of Africans and walked away ?“" 1211762;1437717208;pete_dushenski;it's almost poetic. 1211763;1437717284;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The way you've been qntra'ing this month you jsut might beat me in word count. Try 1211764;1437717312;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: who me ? dude, you're on an absolute tear ! 1211765;1437717320;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yes you. 1211766;1437717321;cazalla;BingoBoingo is the eternal qntra salesman 1211767;1437717326;pete_dushenski;i dun think the rest of us combined will beat bb 1211768;1437717368;BingoBoingo;If qntra is a serious endeavour, one month someone with their name not on the contract will get high wordcount score. 1211769;1437717377;pete_dushenski;cazalla: the easiest sell is when you believe in the product. 1211770;1437717387;BingoBoingo;^truth 1211771;1437717411;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You in the last day or so been following my legal odessy? 1211772;1437717428;pete_dushenski;just that you had court today ? 1211773;1437717510;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No what happened today. What happened earlier this week. When alleged "victim" of thing allgeded to be "crime" got a pussy pass on a felony. Because Dallas Cook fake libertarian only runs to the police for every problem he has. 1211774;1437717541;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article28249051.html 1211775;1437717542;assbot;Prosecutor declines to issue charges against Belleville city clerk | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1g689ja ) 1211776;1437717625;BingoBoingo;Mr. White Trash I am alleged to have disordere, while the elected clerk of the village of Belleville did indeed get a pass on maliciously committing a politically motivated felony on one of his elderly constituents. 1211777;1437717665;pete_dushenski;so you're not in the plumbook, and this is news ? 1211778;1437717675;pete_dushenski;what, like u.s. law treats all men as equal ? 1211779;1437717720;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211066 << 1211780;1437717720;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 00:11:06; mircea_popescu: and most importantly, where is the fraud, racketeering and criminal organisation/conspiuracy indictment for the us marshall in question ? 1211781;1437717758;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah my misdemeanor was continued because judge roll over. 1211782;1437717828;BingoBoingo;And I lack knowledge of whether misdemeanor alleged of me was by me or not. By city clerk gets to avoid prosecution for felony direction of police violence? 1211783;1437717839;BingoBoingo;What is plumbook? 1211784;1437717848;pete_dushenski;!s plumbook 1211785;1437717849;assbot;4 results for 'plumbook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plumbook 1211786;1437717932;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204584 1211787;1437717932;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 14:52:06; asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura << for utter n00bz 1211788;1437717936;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: If you want to write a piece on the wickedness in Belleville... I'd have to let cazalla approve or deny that 1211789;1437717989;pete_dushenski;mebbe in the morning, depending what time i crawl outta bed. 1211790;1437718032;pete_dushenski;can't say i'm super drawn to the belleville scandal though, not my usual cup of qntratea 1211791;1437718045;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You have all the time in the world. God only knows the prosecution case has had the same. 1211792;1437718080;BingoBoingo;If nothing else pete_dushenski Maybe you will find a way to shit on 'Murica from your safe space in the hat 1211793;1437718126;pete_dushenski;lolk 1211794;1437718149;BingoBoingo;Also 4 grams of blackpowder would let you throw a small enough rock from Belleville to Ferguson 1211795;1437718175;pete_dushenski;skipping through my last few qntra articles, seems like 'cybercrime' and fiat finance are my go-tos. who knew ? 1211796;1437718191;BingoBoingo;Or as us in the Country like to call Belleville, East-East-St Louis 1211797;1437718198;BingoBoingo;I know right? 1211798;1437718233;BingoBoingo;Literally anything that's shitty is shitty because of fiat 1211799;1437718293;pete_dushenski;literally eh ? how about ugly chicks ? aren't they ugly regardless of fiat ? does fiat make them even more ghastly to behold ? 1211800;1437718298;pete_dushenski;if so, how ? 1211801;1437718351;BingoBoingo;Ugly chicks are ugly because of transcendant aesthetics. 1211802;1437718383;BingoBoingo;There are truths that are rooted beyond x and y pulling their cocks 1211803;1437718488;BingoBoingo;!s jennifer 1211804;1437718489;assbot;23 results for 'jennifer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jennifer 1211805;1437718537;BingoBoingo;Jennifer Richmond is a sexy girl is prison because the dry old she dinosaur on her case couldn't accept prostitution without victimization 1211806;1437718686;pete_dushenski;so fiat teaches her victimisation, which makes her more unattractive ? 1211807;1437718693;pete_dushenski;not a bad theory. 1211808;1437718698;BingoBoingo;Whether it is biological drive or aethetics that transcend mundane understanding, Frau Richmond has an entirely aesthetic appeal https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/24/9f8d659940e440e5724e2ac8f1226714.jpg lacks 1211809;1437718701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDHEBO ) 1211810;1437718732;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Fiat teaches the negress with butts on both sides is her equal. That is the problem. 1211811;1437718869;pete_dushenski;$amzn up 17% after-hours on an announcement of... profit ! 1211812;1437718918;pete_dushenski;losses were expected, +$0.19 per share posted. 1211813;1437718961;BingoBoingo;Dat timing 1211814;1437718985;pete_dushenski;and speaking of their successful hosting services... 1211815;1437718987;pete_dushenski;https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2178548/oig-report.pdf 1211816;1437718990;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDIzSH ) 1211817;1437719001;BingoBoingo;If nothing else though that movement has to suggest Dollars are going to balloon 1211818;1437719070;pete_dushenski;'fiscal year 2014 audit of treasury's compliance with the federal information security management act for its intelligence systems' 1211819;1437719102;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: and that they're looking for even the faintest pulse as a SIGN OF LIFE 1211820;1437719131;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: To be fair apparently AWS revenue is up after a steep drop last year? 1211821;1437719203;pete_dushenski;"The report, prepared in September 2014, gave no indication the foreign intelligence network had been hacked. But auditors found up to 29 percent of Treasury's devices connected to the intelligence network did not meet federal cybersecurity standards." << i can't imagine these standards include 'avoid winblows' 1211822;1437719225;BingoBoingo;No way they could 1211823;1437719230;pete_dushenski;so what good are they you ask ? the theatre of security, my boy. 1211824;1437719263;BingoBoingo;Personally I hope that OpenBSD treats MicroShaft with the same Courtesy they did MP after the check clears 1211825;1437719266;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: probably not. which is why its lulzy 1211826;1437719335;*;BingoBoingo wonders when ascii or other will perfect the peel money away from drunk Bingo Bot 1211827;1437719444;pete_dushenski;"Following the blueprint of Fiat's marriage with Chrysler and a New York listing of the merged entity last year, FCA will create a Dutch-registered holding company for Ferrari and list its shares on Wall Street, according to the filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission." << inb4 ferraris are slapped with 'made in united states of africa' plaques 1211828;1437719450;pete_dushenski;make that stickers. 1211829;1437719537;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: peel money ? 1211830;1437719545;pete_dushenski;like for strippers ? 1211831;1437719584;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yeah. Me+Money+StripClub is the one of the fastest reallocation of resources capitalism has blessed us with 1211832;1437719617;BingoBoingo;But asciilifeform Pointed out that a sufficient bot might be able to accomplish that feat. 1211833;1437719666;pete_dushenski;or naphex's site 1211834;1437719667;BingoBoingo;'Murican ingenuity https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/24/96b5bd611fafc28d99dd02643bd26573.jpg 1211835;1437719669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDKeYi ) 1211836;1437719680;pete_dushenski;xotika or what was it. 1211837;1437719699;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, takes a special kinda girl to peel my money away on a cam 1211838;1437719704;davout;ohai all 1211839;1437719711;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski is up late 1211840;1437719712;BingoBoingo;Hai davout 1211841;1437719721;pete_dushenski;bonjour ! 1211842;1437719736;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: 12:30am ain't that bad... 1211843;1437719874;*;BingoBoingo hopes pete_dushenski takes the Belleville beat because that would be so many lulz. East-east St Louis fancies itself the Toronto of the Middle West... 1211844;1437719901;BingoBoingo;Why actual Toronto is not sufficiently Middle or Western I dunno 1211845;1437719946;pete_dushenski;we call toronto 'eastern canada' but they call themselves 'central' 1211846;1437719948;thestringpuller;lol Missouri 1211847;1437719957;thestringpuller;so much farm land 1211848;1437719975;pete_dushenski;to ontarionians, 'eastern canada' is nubbins`-land 1211849;1437719985;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Nah, east side of the river this time 1211850;1437720026;pete_dushenski;and from here, twodogs might as well be in europe. it's another world. 1211851;1437720032;BingoBoingo;l ol 1211852;1437720043;thestringpuller;i thought nubbins` lived in trailer park boys land... 1211853;1437720053;thestringpuller;nova scotia? 1211854;1437720108;BingoBoingo;I may be in the minority anywhere else, but... Ant Man better than Avengers 2. Heist Movie with occasional distracting external references. 1211855;1437720146;thestringpuller;^^^ totally with you on that 1211856;1437720162;thestringpuller;Also lots of references to Hank Pym beating his wife Wasp. 1211857;1437720168;BingoBoingo;lol 1211858;1437720205;thestringpuller;they bastardized Darren Cross, but his comic story line would have been too dark for kids. 1211859;1437720229;*;BingoBoingo also thought Edward Norton Hulk, or Fight Club Electric Boogaloo was best Phase 1 Marvel flick 1211860;1437720289;thestringpuller;Better than Eric Bana's Hulk. 1211861;1437720399;pete_dushenski;"Toronto taxi drivers are launching a class-action lawsuit against ride-sharing company Uber Technologies Inc [UBER.UL], seeking more than C$400 million ($307.27 million) in damages and an injunction to stop it operating in the Canadian province of Ontario." << speaking of those enlightened folk in toronto. 1211862;1437720434;pete_dushenski;and yes, you'll also note that cad has been pummelled into the ground in the last 12 months. 1211863;1437720449;pete_dushenski;was at or near parity for better part of a decade. 1211864;1437720821;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I remember when CAD passed USD 1211865;1437721237;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ya get all duke nukem' up in the club.. "shake it baby" 1211866;1437721273;BingoBoingo;cazalla: It's all about T-Swift now. Shake it off 1211867;1437721598;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211621 <<< ya know i couldn't do that much these days 1211868;1437721598;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 04:16:11; BingoBoingo: Eh, only 600 ml of vodka in tonight so far. Got the sads over Judge rotation. 1211869;1437721705;cazalla;drinking is sorta like weight training.. miss a couple weeks and you lose all those gains 1211870;1437721913;BingoBoingo;It really is. My liver is Swoledamort 1211871;1437722318;davout;looks like -assets hasn't changed that much during my absence :D 1211872;1437722594;BingoBoingo;Why would it? 1211873;1437722775;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211834 figured it for a bad photoshop at first 1211874;1437722775;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 06:34:27; BingoBoingo: 'Murican ingenuity https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/24/96b5bd611fafc28d99dd02643bd26573.jpg 1211875;1437722804;BingoBoingo;cazalla: No, real 1211876;1437722950;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211860 <<< his old stuff, and by that i mean his old stuff on australian tv before he was in movies is preddy gud for a laugh, but ya sorta need to grasp the context which is difficult for americans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpS31FJO8_o 1211877;1437722950;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 06:44:49; thestringpuller: Better than Eric Bana's Hulk. 1211878;1437722951;assbot;Eric Bana - Olympic Training Tips with Peter - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JirLvr ) 1211879;1437723195;BingoBoingo;Another problem with Avengers 2, Andy Serkis plays a man and not a CGI monster 1211880;1437723207;cazalla;actually, that isn't even funny, seemed to be back in the 90s though 1211881;1437723336;BingoBoingo;yeah 1211882;1437723477;BingoBoingo;Still WTF director makes James Spader the CGI monster and Andy Serkis th human 1211883;1437723712;cazalla;dunno why ya bother BingoBoingo, the shit they put out isn't even worth pirating these days, you'd have to pay me to watch 1211884;1437723735;BingoBoingo;One has to catalogue the kicks 1211885;1437723805;BingoBoingo;I mean occasionally there is a decent action scene 1211886;1437723827;BingoBoingo;Like Iron Man vs. Tyler Durden 1211887;1437723867;cazalla;marvel, DC etc etc never big here and i've never watched any of these types of movies, saw an old x-men from maybe 10-15 years ago nfi which one though 1211888;1437723909;BingoBoingo;Oh, so you are just a Homer who likes Hugh Jackman for being an Aussie 1211889;1437723922;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211872 <<< because such is life 1211890;1437723922;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 07:23:14; BingoBoingo: Why would it? 1211891;1437723937;cazalla;nah, can't say i like him as an actor 1211892;1437723966;BingoBoingo;davout HRE and ruler of all the Frogophones, of course we would pause the world for you 1211893;1437723981;davout;BingoBoingo: :3 1211894;1437723986;davout;what's HRE ? 1211895;1437723994;cazalla;one of my fav australian movies is Sirens on account.. titties when like 13 1211896;1437724078;BingoBoingo;davout: Holy Roman, or I guess more recently Ramadan, Emperor. You know like Chuckles I 1211897;1437724114;cazalla;http://c-celebs.com/celebs/ElleMacPherson-20/hank-sirens-elle-macpherson-kate-fischer-0003.jpg imagine this shit on vhs.. kids today with their 4k streaming porn don't know what they missed 1211898;1437724116;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JisTPL ) 1211899;1437724281;BingoBoingo;cazalla: If you have to watch a marvel movie though, at least Ant man is a better heist movie than new oceans 11. Just no where near as good as Con Air 1211900;1437724352;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/07/phuctor-factors-100th-rsa-modulus/#comment-33817 1211901;1437724352;assbot;Phuctor Factors 100th RSA Modulus | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCaoSf ) 1211902;1437724362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158250 @ 0.00051183 = 80.9971 BTC [-] {2} 1211903;1437724398;cazalla;funny you mention con-air.. i saw that one in cinema and still remember asking myself why they would send a man to jail for defending his wife and kid 1211904;1437724412;cazalla;"that doesn't make sense" 1211905;1437724525;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Because pussy pass 'Murica 1211906;1437724551;BingoBoingo;Saved his family from a strong black woman 1211907;1437724669;BingoBoingo;"Put the bunny, back in the box..." -Cameron Poe 1211908;1437724704;BingoBoingo;"Why couldn't you put the bunny back in the box?" -Cameron Poe 1211909;1437724816;BingoBoingo;Oh SHIT, who got quoted http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-21537-post-1069806.html#pid1069806 1211910;1437724817;assbot;The Bitcoin thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JitGQV ) 1211911;1437724943;cazalla;rooshv is a bit of a numbnuts 1211912;1437724961;BingoBoingo;He is, but still the lawgz going viral? 1211913;1437725141;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1 1211914;1437725155;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer_ 1211915;1437725382;cazalla;can't imagine doing this fast seduction/ladder theory/red pill/whatever iteration it is up to shit in the age of tindere 1211916;1437725424;cazalla;back in my day ya had to get the girl's number somehow, was none of this app matching shit 1211917;1437725436;BingoBoingo;If you can think yourself black, you can be black 1211918;1437725478;cazalla;my thinking was always.. why go for the 9's when you are assured to take home a 5-7 1211919;1437725596;BingoBoingo;Sport 1211920;1437725651;cazalla;21 year old pussy slaying cazalla http://i.imgur.com/f8EHun7.png 1211921;1437725652;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiuKUJ ) 1211922;1437725672;cazalla;33 year old cazalla dont slay shit lol 1211923;1437725762;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You just as MP links suggest, imagine you are the BBC you want to be. 1211924;1437725795;cazalla;who's got the time or energy 1211925;1437725847;BingoBoingo;It's a sport. Like baseball ro waterboarding. 1211926;1437726181;cazalla;too much sambuca 1211927;1437726195;cazalla;thinking wtf is ro (romanian) waterboarding 1211928;1437726212;BingoBoingo;Sorry, "or" 1211929;1437726314;cazalla;anyway who wants to chase girls in their 30s 1211930;1437726322;cazalla;that is for teens and guys in their 20s because they have fuck all to offer 1211931;1437726332;cazalla;if i were to get back in that game, easier just to wave some money and get to it 1211932;1437726375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00051089 = 12.8744 BTC [-] 1211933;1437726441;cazalla;maybe i need some joe rogan supplementation or something 1211934;1437726467;BingoBoingo;I still got a few months before I hit 30 1211935;1437726509;cazalla;i think it is the having kids that makes you all soft tbh 1211936;1437726520;BingoBoingo;lol 1211937;1437726532;cazalla;trying to make another atm and i just.. i can't even lol 1211938;1437726548;cazalla;gotta get back on the old nag tmw for another go 1211939;1437726637;cazalla;makes me all soft i mean not you all, maybe freudian slip there lol 1211940;1437726681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46593 @ 0.00051058 = 23.7895 BTC [-] {2} 1211941;1437726684;BingoBoingo;lol 1211942;1437726832;cazalla;soft is having 1/4 of a 700ml bottle of sambuca and thinking of going to bed at 7pm heh 1211943;1437727215;BingoBoingo;lol 1211944;1437727226;BingoBoingo;3:40 am here 1211945;1437727346;cazalla;meh i didn't get much sleep last night, son had 18 month mmrv yesterday and has been moody since 1211946;1437727400;*;BingoBoingo slept 1211947;1437727406;*;BingoBoingo saw hearing continued 1211948;1437727424;cazalla;OBJECTION! 1211949;1437727442;cazalla;did ya get all pheonix wright up in there? 1211950;1437727479;cazalla;live footage from the BingoBoingo hearing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1SB12K8LHQ 1211951;1437727480;assbot;Objection! Anime Style! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LAjdSz ) 1211952;1437727523;BingoBoingo;cazalla: If this even goes to trial. I will magic the $300 fiat into existence for a jury. 1211953;1437727552;BingoBoingo;It's fiat. Say it exists and it does. 1211954;1437727664;BingoBoingo;!up SuchWow 1211955;1437727688;cazalla;SuchWow, how about that dogecoin eh 1211956;1437727704;BingoBoingo;Look, I am a serious bus, Ness. 1211957;1437727747;SuchWow;cazalla: what does this chan have to do with dogecoin? 1211958;1437727751;cazalla;speaking of movies again, looking forward to spectre even if every after goldeneye sucks shit 1211959;1437727798;cazalla;SuchWow, show me on the doge dolly where palmer touched you 1211960;1437727875;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Canon Casino Royal not that bad, has TV Hannibal 1211961;1437727882;cazalla;i always liked 007 movies because he was cool, had the girls and now in spectre.. he has a 50 year old bond girl and an iphone.. i pretty much have this.. so much for suspending disbelief 1211962;1437727908;BingoBoingo;lol 1211963;1437727909;cazalla;now everyone can be james bond! 1211964;1437727931;BingoBoingo;!b 7 1211965;1437727932;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14B013C.txt ) 1211966;1437728022;cazalla;don't get me wrong, monica bellucci is still very fuckable with all that make up on but she is no bond girl 1211967;1437728030;cazalla;which means bond is no bond :\ 1211968;1437728087;BingoBoingo;Every now and then a true secret agent has to raid Queen Victoria's secret 1211969;1437728093;cazalla;the next bond will prob be gay and black and there will be bond boys instead of girls 1211970;1437728168;BingoBoingo;In that case I will just live and let die. 1211971;1437728212;cazalla;what, do they expect BingoBoingo just to talk? 1211972;1437728302;BingoBoingo;The amorphous "they" probably expects BingoBoingo to just quit and off himself. Shame they don't appreciate our up and coming tech journalism start-up. 1211973;1437728408;cazalla;fwiw i plead guilty a couple times, but much younger and believe it or not, even stupidier 1211974;1437728433;BingoBoingo;I don't plea because it is more expensive for the true enemy 1211975;1437728472;cazalla;but then local magistrates here have a history of letting boys be boys.. just having a bit of fun type of shit 1211976;1437728510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142641 @ 0.00051908 = 74.0421 BTC [+] {3} 1211977;1437728534;BingoBoingo;Local magistrates here have a history of trying asbestos cases for the entire rest of USia, fuck them. 1211978;1437728588;cazalla;BingoBoingo, check it out, uber is coming to my old local http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/3232643/free-ice-cream-for-uber-followers-in-gong/?cs=300 1211979;1437728590;assbot;Free ice-cream for Uber followers in Gong | Illawarra Mercury ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iifx0W ) 1211980;1437728595;cazalla;"but only for a day." 1211981;1437728632;BingoBoingo;Why is Crocodile Dundee land is there a place named "Gong" 1211982;1437728656;cazalla;see that light house, car park near it, pashed a few girls there in my time 1211983;1437728663;cazalla;and a bit more but then that'd be braggin' 1211984;1437728677;BingoBoingo;lol 1211985;1437728685;cazalla;the 'gong is yobbo for Wollongong 1211986;1437728712;BingoBoingo;Ah 1211987;1437728729;cazalla;aboriginal for no jobs since 1970 1211988;1437728754;BingoBoingo;!b 1 1211989;1437728755;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3SKEMTH.txt ) 1211990;1437729425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41824 @ 0.0005299 = 22.1625 BTC [+] {2} 1211991;1437732414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00053178 = 17.6019 BTC [+] {2} 1211992;1437733024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75503 @ 0.00053198 = 40.1661 BTC [+] {3} 1211993;1437733282;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I need a qntrafier for btc articles from places like this: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/23/bitcoins-war-could-threaten-its-survival.html 1211994;1437733284;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RX7ilF ) 1211995;1437733390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00053927 = 21.0585 BTC [+] {2} 1211996;1437736795;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211640 << really, there's no good reason for france to be anything else. 1211997;1437736795;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 04:33:00; asciilifeform: ^ entirely realistic. france --> morocco. 1211998;1437737170;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211824 << microsoft doesn't pay with actual money. their check never clears. 1211999;1437737170;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 06:27:43; BingoBoingo: Personally I hope that OpenBSD treats MicroShaft with the same Courtesy they did MP after the check clears 1212000;1437737201;mircea_popescu;openbsd decided it much prefers this, because the way to turn everything to shit is to surround everyone doing anything useful with a bunch of operational idiots. 1212001;1437737223;mircea_popescu;this is the core and the root of the problem. and the fact that intelligent people are trained not to step on faces compounds it exponentially. 1212002;1437737249;chetty;actual workers should be hermits 1212003;1437737445;mircea_popescu;either that or should learn to spit on "helpful" this and thats. 1212004;1437737629;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211915 << me either, but like "Avengers" - someone somewhere will be clinging on to anything. 1212005;1437737629;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 08:09:42; cazalla: can't imagine doing this fast seduction/ladder theory/red pill/whatever iteration it is up to shit in the age of tindere 1212006;1437737642;mircea_popescu;what's stars wars at , episode 500 ? the bold and the beautiful still running am i rite ? 1212007;1437737723;shinohai;There is very, very little in way of anything entertaining on television here. The Bold and te Beautiful might actually be more entertaining than another rality show. 1212008;1437737736;shinohai;*reality 1212009;1437737770;*;shinohai is watching "Metastasis" right now though, and it is hilarious. 1212010;1437737813;*;mircea_popescu never really had the patience. 1212011;1437737862;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211920 << in which we learn cazalla looks just like a bodyguard i used to have. one of the better too. 1212012;1437737862;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 08:14:11; cazalla: 21 year old pussy slaying cazalla http://i.imgur.com/f8EHun7.png 1212013;1437737868;shinohai;I don't own a real television. Usually just watch everything on a PC 1212014;1437737918;mircea_popescu;so watch italian tv 1212015;1437737925;mircea_popescu;basically a buncha whores on a set talking all day. 1212016;1437737961;shinohai;I watch Univision some, heck I wonder if I have any Italian language channels. 1212017;1437738030;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esa2ushJEG0 1212018;1437738032;assbot;Buongiorno Benessere Rossitalia Rai Uno 02.03.2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEEHRr ) 1212019;1437738078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211969 << didn't know you swung that way ? was it your exposure to b-a ? 1212020;1437738078;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 08:54:53; cazalla: the next bond will prob be gay and black and there will be bond boys instead of girls 1212021;1437738185;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211993 >>< lmao they're re-doing a stupid piece we lolled at here a few days ago, which was re-doing for the mouthbreathers stuff that has nothing to do with what happened weeks ago because of what was said here months ago ? 1212022;1437738185;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 10:21:22; shinohai: BingoBoingo: I need a qntrafier for btc articles from places like this: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/23/bitcoins-war-could-threaten-its-survival.html 1212023;1437738190;mircea_popescu;what are you trying to do, cause a cycle ? 1212024;1437738231;shinohai;Hopefully cause an event that leads to a collapse of shitty American media. 1212025;1437738244;mircea_popescu;at least they scrubbed my name out of it, "constituency of chinese mienrs" nao 1212026;1437738304;mircea_popescu;i guess i get the advantage of surprise the next time around too. pretty cool. 1212027;1437738330;mircea_popescu;in other news, three whores one bitch : http://41.media.tumblr.com/2b54d19ba448d3287e568620afaf3415/tumblr_mz3pvmAYBV1rxa0moo1_1280.jpg 1212028;1437738331;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEFphw ) 1212029;1437738385;shinohai;O.o 1212030;1437739002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46697 @ 0.00053435 = 24.9525 BTC [-] 1212031;1437739856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00053027 = 2.5453 BTC [-] 1212032;1437740092;mircea_popescu;http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ < BingoBoingo funkenstein_ and who else wanted it ? pfd ? 1212033;1437740093;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEKczm ) 1212034;1437740344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113274 @ 0.00054404 = 61.6256 BTC [+] {5} 1212035;1437740389;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Matthias_Schmidt ; ) 1212036;1437740394;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Andreas Heimann ; ) 1212037;1437740400;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) 1212038;1437740405;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al: phuctor is back 1212039;1437740405;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=641 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1212040;1437740410;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1212041;1437740415;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda ; ) 1212042;1437740420;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Sven Arnold ; ) 1212043;1437740426;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1212044;1437740431;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=459561500779 (Marco Hien ; ) 1212045;1437740436;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Marco Hien ; ) 1212046;1437740441;mircea_popescu;o.I 1212047;1437740441;asciilifeform;;;later tell lobbes your bot misbehaves 1212048;1437740441;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1212049;1437740441;mircea_popescu;these aren't new are they ? 1212050;1437740445;asciilifeform;no 1212051;1437740451;asciilifeform;just the last N 1212052;1437740452;mircea_popescu;aok 1212053;1437740474;mircea_popescu;well im off for nao 1212054;1437740481;*;asciilifeform same. uranium mines 1212055;1437740832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00052979 = 12.5295 BTC [-] {2} 1212056;1437741808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00054559 = 20.0777 BTC [+] 1212057;1437743943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00052947 = 25.2292 BTC [-] 1212058;1437745608;funkenstein_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgRz3nSG7o <-- somehow i missed this one which came out in year 0 1212059;1437745609;assbot;U.S. Government Stages Fake Coup To Wipe Out National Debt - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1frM2m9 ) 1212060;1437746566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00052947 = 13.3426 BTC [-] 1212061;1437746595;punkman;http://profit.ndtv.com/news/commodities/article-gold-platinum-prices-fall-to-lowest-in-over-5-years-783150 1212062;1437746595;assbot;Global Prices of Gold, Platinum Fall to Lowest in Over 5 Years - NDTVProfit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZc0bu ) 1212063;1437748701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29415 @ 0.00052498 = 15.4423 BTC [-] 1212064;1437748757;mod6;been stuck on block: 366662 for ~12 hours (since I restarted this patched up through verifyall gentoo build lastnight) 1212065;1437748762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18635 @ 0.00053112 = 9.8974 BTC [+] 1212066;1437749182;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1212067;1437749192;ascii_field;mod6: -addnode from dulap ? 1212068;1437749198;mod6;-connect 1212069;1437749203;mod6;yeah dulap 1212070;1437749227;ascii_field;paste log ? 1212071;1437749273;mod6;sure. give me a bit here... 1212072;1437749293;ascii_field;dulap is 100% up to date chainwise 1212073;1437749297;ascii_field;and has been since the 10th 1212074;1437749307;ascii_field;currently 58 peers. 1212075;1437749949;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/debug-log-snip-20150724.txt 1212076;1437749954;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImEz3h ) 1212077;1437749978;mod6;i could perhaps just try to restart it, but just wanted to let you know first before I shut it off or do anything else. 1212078;1437749983;mod6;restart, etc. 1212079;1437750071;ascii_field;no obvious clues in the log 1212080;1437750165;ascii_field;i'm beginning to suspect network shenanigans 1212081;1437750176;ascii_field;at any rate, we desperately need a multi-node version of '-connect' 1212082;1437750188;ascii_field;(~NOT~ the same as '-addnode') 1212083;1437750245;kakobrekla;but you can 'connect' to multiple nodes? 1212084;1437750315;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/WkysG#0 1212085;1437750315;assbot;My Trezor Arrived - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImFnVK ) 1212086;1437750323;nubbins`;"My Trezor finally arrived (but with scratches and rusted/not working cable)... I am happy anyway! I want to share my happiness :-)" 1212087;1437750330;nubbins`;my actual sides. 1212088;1437750362;nubbins`;guy orders device maybe a year+ ago. it finally shows up, scratched to shit, the usb cable is RUSTY and non-operational 1212089;1437750364;ascii_field;for the love of god, montrezor !!! 1212090;1437750366;ascii_field;(tm) (r) 1212091;1437750366;nubbins`;but he's happy anyway. 1212092;1437750382;nubbins`;he's so happy he needs to SHARE his happiness 1212093;1437750392;nubbins`;at paying money last year for a rusty scratched-up piece of shit. 1212094;1437750427;kakobrekla;and calls it 'valut' 1212095;1437750434;mod6;<+ascii_field> at any rate, we desperately need a multi-node version of '-connect' << this would be great! 1212096;1437750444;nubbins`;heh 1212097;1437750461;nubbins`;now he can finally plug a foreign usb HID device into point-of-sale terminals 1212098;1437750463;nubbins`;or something. 1212099;1437750470;ascii_field;kakobrekla points out that -connect does take multiples 1212100;1437750470;nubbins`;(????) 1212101;1437750493;ascii_field;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1263 1212102;1437750494;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ImFLDU ) 1212103;1437750495;mod6;i'm wondering if i shouldn't just: A: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) restart bitcoind. If no further blocks are pulled, B: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) update time, 3) restart bitcoind 1212104;1437750512;ascii_field;mod6: it wasn't your clock 1212105;1437750516;ascii_field;that would show up in the log 1212106;1437750528;ascii_field;instead, it is as if block were never sent. 1212107;1437750558;mod6;ah right, there's a message about that. 1212108;1437750562;mod6;forgot. 1212109;1437750608;mod6;<+ascii_field> http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1263 << Ah! so just -connect=dulap -connect=other 1212110;1437750627;mod6;? 1212111;1437750632;*;mod6 tries 1212112;1437750648;kakobrekla;i list them in the conf 1212113;1437750774;mod6;ah ok 1212114;1437750836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC 1212115;1437750867;nubbins`;i think it would be -connect=a -connect=b etc 1212116;1437751032;mod6;!up ascii_field 1212117;1437751478;mod6;ok restarting & connecting to dulap and incitatus 1212118;1437751601;mod6;ok pulling blocks past 366662 1212119;1437751799;funkenstein_;in numerology lulz news, current 42 coin supply: 41.96. Should pass 42 today. 1212120;1437751838;*;ascii_field can only dream of such rich 1212121;1437751864;punkman;speaking of which, 0.5.3 doesn't have the 21 million limit fix 1212122;1437751885;ascii_field;punkman: which fix is that 1212123;1437752450;punkman;iirc phoundation had a bug that'd let people mine past 21 million 1212124;1437752474;mod6;are you talking about the subsidy overflow? 1212125;1437752483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.0005275 = 11.2358 BTC [-] 1212126;1437752664;punkman;mod6, dunno, can't find it in logs or google 1212127;1437752667;mod6;this patch was submitted: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000004.html but it is /already/ applied in v0.5.3 base, we never applied this patch. Here's the spot: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0665 1212128;1437752668;assbot;[BTC-dev] backpatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoxDlz ) 1212129;1437752670;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoxDlN ) 1212130;1437752847;mod6;I made brief mention of dignork's patch in the SoBA from December: http://thebitcoin.founation/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000017.html 1212131;1437752859;mod6;!up ascii_field 1212132;1437753441;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/anthem-agrees-to-buy-cigna-for-48-billion-1437732331 1212133;1437753443;assbot;Anthem Agrees to Buy Cigna for $48.4 Billion - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KozlDq ) 1212134;1437753617;mod6;bah: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000017.html 1212135;1437753618;assbot;[BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1KozLK7 ) 1212136;1437753643;mod6;one of these days, im gonna have to stop typing URLs. or start typing better! lol 1212137;1437753737;punkman;mod6, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3813 1212138;1437753738;assbot;Fix for GetBlockValue() after block 13,440,000 by ditto-b · Pull Request #3813 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZll3a ) 1212139;1437753764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00053061 = 31.2529 BTC [+] {3} 1212140;1437753844;punkman;slightly different issue there 1212141;1437754801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00052204 = 27.2766 BTC [-] {2} 1212142;1437754822;mod6;so yeah, that looks slightly different punkman 1212143;1437754836;mod6;thanks for checking that out. 1212144;1437754845;mod6;i'd think this is what we'd need to do there: http://dpaste.com/2H8CNF0.txt 1212145;1437754846;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoCof9 ) 1212146;1437754848;mod6;any thoughts? 1212147;1437755046;*;funkenstein_ is wondering the utility of changing code now on an issue >100 years away 1212148;1437755088;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1212149;1437755100;ascii_field;funkenstein_: years can pass quickly when usg diddles ntp 1212150;1437755113;ascii_field;'leap century' ! 1212151;1437755120;funkenstein_;lol :D 1212152;1437755125;mats;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/24/palantir_raises_450m_in_latest_fundraising_round 1212153;1437755125;assbot;Palantir raises $450m in latest fund-raising round • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1CZn1tn ) 1212154;1437755150;ascii_field;^ possibly biggest direct nsa front after 'google' 1212155;1437755196;mats;and Apple 1212156;1437755212;ascii_field;apple sells toys 1212157;1437755218;ascii_field;palantir sells gasenwagens. 1212158;1437755290;ascii_field;i mean, ferfuxxake, look what they named themselves for 1212159;1437755293;mats;Apple has the same SIGINT model as Google: vacuum all the data. 1212160;1437755434;punkman;"Leap Centure" would be a good title for a sci-fi story 1212161;1437755439;punkman;*century 1212162;1437755899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00054194 = 24.8209 BTC [+] 1212163;1437756084;funkenstein_;The Palantri were made by the oldor in Eldamar, possibly by Fanor himself during his time in Aman during the Elder Days in the Time of the Trees, and then given by the Elves to the Nmenreans, who kept them as heirlooms until the Fall of Nmenor during the late Second Age; seven of these stones were rescued and brought to Middle-earth by Elendil and his sons and set in well-guarded towers throughout the Realms in 1212164;1437756084;funkenstein_; Exile. 1212165;1437756158;funkenstein_;;;ud palantir 1212166;1437756159;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palantir | Had a Palantir incident last night and I'm second guessing whether it was a good idea..." Person 2: "Yeah man, sometimes you have to be careful about Palantir. 1212167;1437757344;mod6;!up ascii_field 1212168;1437757361;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/07/met-removal.htm << today's lulz 1212169;1437757363;assbot;Scotland Yard Requests Terrorist Content Removal ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrANHE ) 1212170;1437758440;mod6;seems like i've been hung up on block 366774 for while now. i'm connected to those two nodes... 1212171;1437758475;mod6;nothing strange in the logs... 1212172;1437758790;ascii_field;mod6: i see no useful clues in my logs, either. 1212173;1437758803;mod6;ok. 1212174;1437758806;mod6;thanks for checking 1212175;1437758825;mod6;i'll let it go for a while. maybe it'll work itself out. 1212176;1437758839;ascii_field;both nodes are fully synced 1212177;1437759323;mod6;!up ascii_field 1212178;1437759681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00054194 = 24.3873 BTC [+] 1212179;1437761083;mircea_popescu;soooo.... what's new 1212180;1437761173;mircea_popescu;<mod6> i'll let it go for a while. maybe it'll work itself out. <<< pretty soon something like this is what ;;ud bitcoin will return. 1212181;1437761194;mod6;!up ascii_field 1212182;1437761206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00054591 = 9.9356 BTC [+] {3} 1212183;1437761262;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212103 << powercycle machine, powercycle house, powercycle internet... 1212184;1437761262;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 15:08:15; mod6: i'm wondering if i shouldn't just: A: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) restart bitcoind. If no further blocks are pulled, B: 1) shutdown bitcoind, 2) update time, 3) restart bitcoind 1212185;1437761279;mod6;:D 1212186;1437761305;mod6;powercycle galaxy, powercycle universe 1212187;1437761316;mircea_popescu;lol 1212188;1437761342;mircea_popescu;driver told me he heard they found a planet which might contain life 1400 light years away 1212189;1437761353;mircea_popescu;wanted to know wtf light years are. 1212190;1437761393;mircea_popescu;i told him nobody really knows, but light seconds are about ten times the circumference of the earth. 1212191;1437761417;mod6;probably blew his whole concept of reality. 1212192;1437761445;mircea_popescu;guy was certainly amused 1212193;1437761480;mircea_popescu;ascii_field palantir 450mn, slashdot 20 mn, everything makes sense. 1212194;1437761598;ascii_field;printing press - full, had to be emptied 1212195;1437761628;mircea_popescu;so now owner of palantir goes out and buys himself fiddy million twenty dollar hookers, amirite. 1212196;1437761641;mircea_popescu;coincidentally every female us resident under 30. 1212197;1437761653;ascii_field;did beria buy ? 1212198;1437761660;ascii_field;why buy what you already own 1212199;1437761668;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1212200;1437761693;mircea_popescu;here's a fun factoid for you : just a shade under half of the us registered population (which means, about 60% of the actual population) pays no income tax. 1212201;1437761710;mircea_popescu;i only ever ran a small town, but i never went for this bs. everyone has to pay A LITTLE. because otherwise... 1212202;1437761715;mircea_popescu;because otherwise you don't own it. 1212203;1437761721;mircea_popescu;so ... no. they don't own their arse. 1212204;1437761731;ascii_field;aha 1212205;1437761733;ascii_field;hitler owns it 1212206;1437761736;ascii_field;as i said earlier. 1212207;1437761741;mircea_popescu;no such thing. 1212208;1437761759;mircea_popescu;that government is so fucking weak, greece is actually a less decrepit state. 1212209;1437761773;mircea_popescu;they don't collect, but they don't collect from like 1/3 not from like 3/5 1212210;1437762160;punkman;they might not collect income tax from more than 1/2 of the population, but they collect through other means 1212211;1437763049;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field 1212212;1437763312;funkenstein_;heard in debate over tolls in se.asia: highway robbers used to stop cars at gunpoint. now they build tollbooths. 1212213;1437763732;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212027 << awful titty job 1212214;1437763732;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 11:45:30; mircea_popescu: in other news, three whores one bitch : http://41.media.tumblr.com/2b54d19ba448d3287e568620afaf3415/tumblr_mz3pvmAYBV1rxa0moo1_1280.jpg 1212215;1437764408;mircea_popescu;i think that's kinda the point. 1212216;1437764451;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/bac1a81912c0f82f9061f17faf76aadc/tumblr_n4eujiYLaD1s38z3ao1_500.jpg << moar au naturel. 1212217;1437764453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXnmBn ) 1212218;1437764851;ascii_field;https://github.com/programble/bare-metal-tetris 1212219;1437764852;assbot;programble/bare-metal-tetris · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXog0M ) 1212220;1437764888;mod6;!up ascii_field 1212221;1437764893;shinohai; Thanks a lot ascii_field, there goes my weekend 1212222;1437764933;mod6;:] 1212223;1437764947;mod6;wanna help test gentoo guide this weekend instead? 1212224;1437764991;shinohai;I actually planned on that mod6, I got my lappy but it has a bad psu so I got to sauce one and some btc. 1212225;1437765023;shinohai;Even tho I have never tried a gentoo install before :/ 1212226;1437765224;*;shinohai found one of these with spare hdd and ram http://img03.olx.in/images_olxin/86072049_1_1000x700_compaq-hp-leptop-for-selling-3-year-old-one-hand-with-purchase-bill-gwalior.jpg 1212227;1437765226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrYqjz ) 1212228;1437765731;mod6;well, no worries. gentoo is a pain but the guide makes it pretty easy - hopefully. 1212229;1437765797;mod6;let me know when you get something you an spin up a vm on or actal hardware 1212230;1437765822;mod6;if anyone else wants to test the gentoo guide, gimme a holler. would like to get it verified before the end of the month. 1212231;1437765845;joecool;mod6: yo 1212232;1437765858;mod6;hey joecool 1212233;1437765876;joecool;mod6: what are you needing tested? i have a few machines on gentoo 1212234;1437765951;mod6;ah nice, we wanted to ensure our gentoo amd64 nomulitlib guide worked well for at least 1 third party before we put it out there to the list. 1212235;1437765984;mod6;basically, it's just going through this step by step: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt 1212236;1437765985;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl ) 1212237;1437765989;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1212238;1437765995;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 288.51, vol: 13880.67877035 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 285.59, vol: 9896.62287 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 288.5, vol: 21492.87866909 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 281.0, vol: 3.0962656 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 286.58, vol: 18904.49820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 288.0, vol: 42.58702134 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 289.9776, vol: 78.87280006 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1212239;1437766040;cazalla;mod6, fwiw i used your gentoo install guide earlier in the week with no problems (couldn't get bitcoin up and running though, got stuck at auth.sh though with some error about REALPATH) 1212240;1437766048;mod6;and perhaps as soon as we send up the patched test bundle, someone could try compiling the static R.I. on there. 1212241;1437766069;mod6;cazalla: auto.sh? 1212242;1437766103;cazalla;mod6, 0x09 section of your guide 1212243;1437766107;mod6;realpath should be on there by default iirc. but perhaps its not? 1212244;1437766134;cazalla;curl wasn't either 1212245;1437766168;mod6;section 0x9? are you talking about the how-to-patch guide? it's a separate thing. 1212246;1437766194;mod6;yeah, curl certainly isn't installed by default 1212247;1437766209;mod6;can't recall exactly about realpath 1212248;1437766215;cazalla;yes i know but i would not be using the gentoo install guide unless i was moving on to the next guide, but i will have another go at some point 1212249;1437766278;mod6;i still need to update the old how-to-patch guide etc. im actually pretty much complete on that... as soon as we give the green light on the test bundle i'll post my changes for that too. 1212250;1437766905;mod6;!up ascii_field 1212251;1437767004;cazalla;BingoBoingo, looks like your man Hulk Hogan is under attack again http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/24/hulk-hogan-fired-wwe-racist-recordings 1212252;1437767005;assbot;Hulk Hogan fired by WWE after racist recordings emerge | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpFUZu ) 1212253;1437767033;ben_vulpes;WHOA 1212254;1437767052;ben_vulpes;never thought id see the day 1212255;1437767088;funkenstein_;hehe, bet he wishes he never said that stuff about the Iron Shiek 1212256;1437767098;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1212257;1437767098;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/26DHS1Y.txt ) 1212258;1437767310;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjW9UXoKU2s 1212259;1437767311;assbot;To Be The Man - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpGhmF ) 1212260;1437767472;mircea_popescu;lol the libtards could never forgive the gawker sinkage huh 1212261;1437767484;mircea_popescu;hulk hogan, old enough to have problems. 1212262;1437768866;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1212263;1437768866;assbot;Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'? 1212264;1437768884;BingoBoingo;!mpif 1212265;1437768885;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021519 B (Total: 427.54 B). Delta: 0.05 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] 1212266;1437768887;jurov;assbot on point, as always 1212267;1437769077;jurov;!t m x.eur 1212268;1437769077;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0035 / 0.00383295 / 0.00390807 (1953 shares, 7.49 BTC), 30D: 0.00136203 / 0.00396742 / 0.00469002 (8150 shares, 32.33 BTC) 1212269;1437769742;scoopbot_revived;Ministry of Games Begins Hosting Eulora Dependencies http://qntra.net/2015/07/ministry-of-games-begins-hosting-eulora-dependencies/ 1212270;1437770677;joecool;mod6: sorry for the delay, i've been running no multilib on my systems for over 5 years now 1212271;1437771029;mod6;joecool: ok good deal. i think this guide is more for people who haven't gentoo'd yet. 1212272;1437771067;mod6;we're gonna nead help testing soon though. gentoo is one of our targets 1212273;1437771391;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1212274;1437771446;ascii_field;mod6: since this is a static bin, the target - in the usual sense of the word - is a particular kernel abi, rather than gentoo, centos, etc 1212275;1437771489;ascii_field;i.e. if there is anyone here with a linux box on which any of the bins built thus far fail to run, something is very very wrong 1212276;1437771565;ascii_field;there are some possible corner cases: 1212277;1437771583;ascii_field;iirc we never set a -march= in our flags 1212278;1437771594;ascii_field;so the machine's local arch is used 1212279;1437771613;ascii_field;(incl. potentially vendor-specific instructions, e.g., weird intelisms) 1212280;1437771746;ascii_field;http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb/check-your-app << anyone ever try it ? 1212281;1437771747;assbot;Check Your App | The Linux Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1emGAQX ) 1212282;1437771881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74909 @ 0.00052672 = 39.4561 BTC [-] {2} 1212283;1437772747;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/atandt-directv-deal-set-to-close-after-clearance-from-fcc/2015/07/24/fe5c665c-3232-11e5-a879-213078d03dd3_story.html 1212284;1437772748;assbot;AT&T buys DirecTV, now biggest traditional TV provider in US - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1emJtRx ) 1212285;1437774486;scoopbot_revived;Welsh Silk Road 2.0 Dealer Receives Two Year Prison Sentence http://qntra.net/2015/07/welsh-silk-road-2-0-dealer-receives-two-year-prison-sentence/ 1212286;1437774840;cazalla;once i've finished grabbing gwern's archive, will be interest to search it to include some screenshots in these types of articles 1212287;1437775236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28397 @ 0.00052027 = 14.7741 BTC [-] 1212288;1437775419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13053 @ 0.00052027 = 6.7911 BTC [-] 1212289;1437775480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15910 @ 0.00052155 = 8.2979 BTC [+] 1212290;1437775541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4891 @ 0.00052261 = 2.5561 BTC [+] 1212291;1437777027;scoopbot_revived;Know The Enemy and Know Yourself - Part II http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/24/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself-part-ii/ 1212292;1437777615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86200 @ 0.00051766 = 44.6223 BTC [-] {2} 1212293;1437778042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00053382 = 25.7301 BTC [+] {2} 1212294;1437779079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00053182 = 10.2375 BTC [-] 1212295;1437779262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051709 = 6.929 BTC [-] 1212296;1437781895;hanbot;general notice: anyone who has successfully built v0.5.3.1-RELEASE specifically on ubuntu please drop a line 1212297;1437781933;mod6;^^^ 1212298;1437782068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37006 @ 0.00054123 = 20.0288 BTC [+] {3} 1212299;1437782349;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212208 << incidentally, this is not unlike the idea that a farmer is 'weak' because he is only able to milk his cows but not the aphids living on the grass 1212300;1437782349;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 18:15:59; mircea_popescu: that government is so fucking weak, greece is actually a less decrepit state. 1212301;1437782384;nubbins`;aphid milk, nectar of the gods 1212302;1437782388;asciilifeform;usg has a firm grasp on milking the real feed base - the low-six-fig-usd artisan 1212303;1437782389;nubbins`;oh shit it's friday 1212304;1437782411;asciilifeform;not only in the sense of taxation proper, but tacit permission of wage suppression cartels, etc. - the whole ensemble 1212305;1437782459;nubbins`;wage suppression cartels! 1212306;1437782473;asciilifeform;nubbins`: see log 1212307;1437782490;asciilifeform;i'll also add that u.s. states are pretty good at milking the aphids - sales taxes of 5-10% 1212308;1437782520;nubbins`;sales tax here is 13% 1212309;1437782532;nubbins`;14% Jan 1 2016 1212310;1437782535;asciilifeform;leave no aphid behind! 1212311;1437782538;nubbins`;heh. 1212312;1437782542;nubbins`;used to be 12+7 1212313;1437782553;nubbins`;which worked out, in practice, to ~20% 1212314;1437782570;asciilifeform;12+7 ? 1212315;1437782573;asciilifeform;how's that work 1212316;1437782579;asciilifeform;national and local ? 1212317;1437782582;nubbins`;12% provincial tax, 7% federal 1212318;1437782584;asciilifeform;ah 1212319;1437782590;nubbins`;now it's a "harmonized" 1212320;1437782609;nubbins`;some provinces have no provincial sales tax 1212321;1437782623;nubbins`;actually, just one, alberta 1212322;1437782652;asciilifeform;at any rate, ~THE~ american tax is: inflation. and it mainly affects folks with respectable, but firmly-fixed incomes 1212323;1437782679;nubbins`;just american? :P 1212324;1437782687;asciilifeform;whose net worth, if they happen to have one with a positive sign bit, consists of an unspent paycheque or three 1212325;1437782689;asciilifeform;in usd. 1212326;1437782742;nubbins`;but that describes almost every pensioner in north america :D 1212327;1437782778;asciilifeform;for non-u.s. folk: the most explosively astonishing phun phakt re: american taxation, is that an extortionate tax (mechanically, lack of 'tax credit', but same thing) is applied to folks who refuse to do the mortgage thing 1212328;1437782804;asciilifeform;(i.e. payments on mortgage are tax-deductible) 1212329;1437782912;nubbins`;all payments or just the interest portion? 1212330;1437782968;asciilifeform;interest, iirc 1212331;1437782980;gernika;I will be negotiating the CPI (joke that it is) into my next contract. 1212332;1437782983;nubbins`;i bet you have to pay capital gains tax when you sell it too 1212333;1437783044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99953 @ 0.000509 = 50.8761 BTC [-] {6} 1212334;1437783053;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-07-2015#1211248 << why'd you take it at night, dummy 1212335;1437783053;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 01:41:27; trinque: I took an adderall xr once and had an utterly terrible night, took notes on my entire calculus book 1212336;1437783056;gernika;Never understood the mortgage interest tax credit. Seems like houses will just ... cost more. 1212337;1437783076;nubbins`;houses will cost more, in general, until they don't. 1212338;1437783106;nubbins`;interesting tidbit, i live in downtown st. john's, which happens to mostly consist of wooden row houses 1212339;1437783118;nubbins`;went to renew my insurance 1212340;1437783135;nubbins`;underwriter dropped my whole neighbourhood and we had to find a new one :0 1212341;1437783180;gernika;why? 1212342;1437783183;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-07-2015#1211744 << cf http://www.morfix.co.il/%D7%AA%D7%96%D7%9B%D7%94%20%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%95%D7%AA and https://translate.google.com/#iw/en/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA 1212343;1437783183;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 05:38:59; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell Adlai your transliteration broke my (online) translation skillz ! 1212344;1437783187;assbot;מילון מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | תזכה למצוות באנגלית ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDzNsI ) 1212345;1437783188;assbot;Google Translate ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDzP3S ) 1212346;1437783285;nubbins`;gernika: because it's a tinderbox? 1212347;1437783298;nubbins`;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/09/Cnsphoto0501010.jpg/467px-Cnsphoto0501010.jpg 1212348;1437783299;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDA7Yz ) 1212349;1437783303;nubbins`;^ st. john's, 1892 1212350;1437783317;nubbins`;all those stone pillars you see are chimneys from houses that burned down 1212351;1437783333;decimation;http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/21/obama-nominee-for-top-army-post-we-should-arm-military-recruiters/ "“You have a vast cadre of people in the military — doctors, lawyers, intelligence specialists, cryptologists, mechanics — whose jobs are important because they support combat troops, but it is not their job to point weapons at people and kill them,” 1212352;1437783334;assbot;Gen. Mark Milley: We Should Arm Military Recruiters | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDAhz6 ) 1212353;1437783339;decimation;"retired Navy Capt. Charles Stimson told Stars and Stripes. “I know JAGs (military lawyers), nurses, typists, legal clerks in the military who have never fired a weapon in their lives.”" 1212354;1437783343;gernika;ah ok - close proximity + wood got it 1212355;1437783381;nubbins`;so even though the fire station is so close to my house that i can hear the calls come in 1212356;1437783417;nubbins`;it's almost impossible to get insurance 1212357;1437783562;decimation;asciilifeform: usg should drop all income and gains taxes and only tax consumption 1212358;1437783588;nubbins`;any home owners in here wanna share their annual insurance premium, as a percentage of the value of their home? 1212359;1437783591;decimation;on the theory that those with actual wealth should only volunteer to pay tax 1212360;1437783676;decimation;nubbins`: mine runs about 0.5% 1212361;1437783707;nubbins`;ah 1212362;1437783710;nubbins`;mine, just over 0.6 1212363;1437783730;decimation;you are in canada eh? 1212364;1437783743;nubbins`;yep 1212365;1437783755;decimation;maybe find an independent insurance agent 1212366;1437783762;nubbins`;got one 8) 1212367;1437783764;decimation;I had good luck with one here in the us 1212368;1437783781;nubbins`;none of the majors would even give me a quote 1212369;1437783795;decimation;why do they think you are so risky? 1212370;1437783802;decimation;poor construction? 1212371;1437783805;nubbins`;<+gernika> ah ok - close proximity + wood got it 1212372;1437783821;decimation;plenty of homes are made of wood in close proximity 1212373;1437783855;decimation;there must be another factor 1212374;1437783877;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/qk6mi7K.jpg 1212375;1437783878;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDCVNb ) 1212376;1437783885;nubbins`;that close proximity? :P 1212377;1437783933;nubbins`;most of the houses are 80-100 years old too 1212378;1437783948;nubbins`;plenty of hidden roofs, double walls, etc 1212379;1437783971;nubbins`;not at all unusual to chop a roof hole in a structure fire and find another completely rotting roof underneath 1212380;1437784015;nubbins`;i had my shingles redone 3 years ago and they found FOUR LAYERS of shingles underneath the top one. The supporting wood was dust 1212381;1437784029;decimation;I donno, seems pretty much like most older city blocks 1212382;1437784032;nubbins`;pulling 2x4s in half with bare hands, etc 1212383;1437784052;decimation;heh 1212384;1437784067;nubbins`;generally no firewalls between houses either 1212385;1437784089;nubbins`;not that a firewall would prevent the flames from setting your roof on fire. 1212386;1437784147;decimation;that is probably a big reason I would think 1212387;1437784183;decimation;my understanding is that modern 'multi-family' housing typically includes 'fire clips' that ensure that a particular burning building collapses on itself 1212388;1437784188;decimation;on the theory that it's better for the others 1212389;1437784319;asciilifeform;like the (Official Truth version of) wtc, l0l 1212390;1437784346;nubbins`;here's a government report from 2006 1212391;1437784348;nubbins`;One gentleman from downtown St. John’s wrote to the Consumer Advocate: 1212392;1437784354;nubbins`;“In November 2004 the house insurance dramatically escalated from $552.00 to $1,315.60. The municipal appraisal was constant. The insurance brokers advised me that it was almost impossible to obtain insurance for a downtown, partially attached house. They advised that the new rate was the best they could obtain. I personally telephoned two other insurance companies in St. John’s. In each call I was immediately asked the location of the 1212393;1437784354;nubbins`; residence. 1212394;1437784373;nubbins`;Upon responding I was promptly told that the company would not even entertain my request due to location. I therefore was forced to accept the $763 increase.” 1212395;1437784385;decimation;asciilifeform: I saw the clips with my own eyes, made of shit metal that melts at low temps 1212396;1437784405;decimation;asciilifeform: oh lordy don't tell me you're a 'truther'? 1212397;1437784431;nubbins`;"Another couple from St. John’s advised the Consumer Advocate that, despite numerous attempts, they had not been able to obtain insurance at any cost for the past four and a half years on their attached King’s Bridge Road property." 1212398;1437784439;nubbins`;imagine 1212399;1437784444;nubbins`;not able to purchase fire insurance 1212400;1437784446;nubbins`;at ANY COST 1212401;1437784531;nubbins`;"IBAN confirmed that homeowners in the St. John’s downtown area have experienced difficulty in finding insurance coverage in the past. The reasons for this difficulty are the high concentrations of wood frame structures with varying type of occupancy and differing physical conditions." 1212402;1437784542;nubbins`;translation: too many slums and boarding houses 1212403;1437784603;nubbins`;wow, says here installing a woodstove would double my premium 1212404;1437784708;nubbins`;anyway 1212405;1437784783;nubbins`;i came up here 40 minutes ago to roll a jazz cig 1212406;1437784797;nubbins`;back on track 1212407;1437784935;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212374 <<< colourful place 1212408;1437784935;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 00:24:37; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/qk6mi7K.jpg 1212409;1437784960;nubbins`;cazalla people tend to bump up the saturation in photos but it really does look like that 1212410;1437784981;nubbins`;my house is just past the green spire in top left of frame 1212411;1437785014;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cTtjBXzyB8 1212412;1437785015;assbot;Hot Chip — Colours - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDDJty ) 1212413;1437785077;cazalla;hard to imagine everyone agreed to it, was forced? 1212414;1437785115;nubbins`;haha 1212415;1437785135;nubbins`;in 1982 the pope came here and the gov gave everybody $$ to paint their houses 1212416;1437785164;felipelalli;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uHSZ6j5j 1212417;1437785165;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDFuip ) 1212418;1437785166;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1212419;1437785176;nubbins`;n/m 1212420;1437785188;nubbins`;Shane O’Dea, an expert on architectural heritage and historic preservation, said the idea of fancy window and door trim, and brightly-painted houses was born in 1977. In fact, the idea can be traced to one man, David Webber, the foundation’s executive director. In that year, the foundation took on a demonstration project by painting a sample block in bright colours, from Willicott’s Lane to Victoria Street, on both sides of the street. 1212421;1437785210;nubbins`;^ before this happened, most houses were painted with leftover marine paint from boats 1212422;1437785216;nubbins`;and the city was drab as fuck 1212423;1437785237;nubbins`;now it's just a thing people do. i have a friend who painted his house neon green 1212424;1437785240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185562 @ 0.00050588 = 93.8721 BTC [-] {4} 1212425;1437785254;cazalla;too exotic for my likings but i can see how it would appeal to creative types 1212426;1437785293;nubbins`;yellow 123 is getting pretty popular these days 1212427;1437785363;cazalla;our master bedroom is pink (forget the name of the colour) and that is about enough for me heh 1212428;1437785421;nubbins`;sorry, i'm just using pantone numbers 1212429;1437785425;nubbins`;some of them are burned into my brain 1212430;1437785434;cazalla;yellow123 looks a nice yellow 1212431;1437785436;nubbins`;#fdc82f for you hex colour types 1212432;1437785438;nubbins`;yep 1212433;1437785471;nubbins`;yellow 123 is like the blue 072 of yellows. 1212434;1437785492;cazalla;ill write that yellow down for when i paint son's room 1212435;1437785566;cazalla;is that the blue facebook colour? 1212436;1437785571;nubbins`;could be 1212437;1437785578;nubbins`;blue 072 is one of the 14 pantone base colours 1212438;1437785589;nubbins`;with which all others (incl. yellow 123) can be mixed 1212439;1437785682;nubbins`;here's a diagram some may find interesting 1212440;1437785683;nubbins`;https://www.pantone.com/images/pages/20459/cie.png 1212441;1437785686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDGums ) 1212442;1437785699;nubbins`;the large coloured shape is the colour space of a standard human eye 1212443;1437785722;nubbins`;the area inside the yellow triangle can be reproduced via sRGB (i.e. on your computer screen) 1212444;1437785736;nubbins`;the area inside the pink blob can be reproduced via CMYK (i.e. printed products) 1212445;1437785760;nubbins`;the black dots are the ~1,200 colours in the pantone matching system 1212446;1437786061;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkqMzLR8kS8 1212447;1437786062;assbot;The new PANTONE PLUS SERIES. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDH9EG ) 1212448;1437786063;nubbins`;brb 1212449;1437786970;nubbins`;https://youtu.be/hkqMzLR8kS8?t=1m54s 1212450;1437786971;assbot;The new PANTONE PLUS SERIES. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDIVpm ) 1212451;1437786971;nubbins`;drool 1212452;1437786972;cazalla;on a scale of 1-10 such knowledge of colours interests me 0 but i can respect the enthusiasm and knowledge :) 1212453;1437787009;nubbins`;cazalla, having a pantone book is like having a suitcase full of vials with "essence of ____" written on the labels 1212454;1437787022;nubbins`;each one smelling of old leather, rustic tobacco, strawberry, green mould, etc 1212455;1437787070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00052044 = 18.6057 BTC [+] {2} 1212456;1437787097;cazalla;i bet you're the guy who steals all the paint swatches from the hardware store :P 1212457;1437787113;nubbins`;nah, can't pantone match em ;) 1212458;1437787166;nubbins`;look at that fucking press go 1212459;1437787173;nubbins`;drool 1212460;1437787681;cazalla;nubbins`, copics actually any good? missus has truckloads for some reason 1212461;1437788290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47550 @ 0.0005174 = 24.6024 BTC [-] 1212462;1437788412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35967 @ 0.00052381 = 18.8399 BTC [+] 1212463;1437788900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14394 @ 0.00052174 = 7.5099 BTC [-] 1212464;1437789083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90040 @ 0.00050524 = 45.4918 BTC [-] {3} 1212465;1437789144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28210 @ 0.00050399 = 14.2176 BTC [-] 1212466;1437789192;nubbins`;not my thing but from what i hear, yeah 1212467;1437789213;nubbins`;dem brush tips 1212468;1437789441;decimation;http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/07/24/amazon-now-worth-more-than-wal-mart/ "As of the close, that had Wal-Mart’s market cap at $233.5 billion versus Amazon’s $224.5 billion, according to FactSet." 1212469;1437789441;assbot;Amazon Is Now Worth More Than Wal-Mart - Digits - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDNEY0 ) 1212470;1437789998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85000 @ 0.0005094 = 43.299 BTC [+] 1212471;1437790099;decimation;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-24/google-has-way-to-unclog-drone-filled-skies-like-it-did-the-web < google salivates over the idea of appointing itself 'usg commissar of drones' 1212472;1437790099;assbot;Google Wants a Piece of Air-Traffic Control for Drones - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDP4ld ) 1212473;1437790112;decimation;Dave Vos, who heads Google’s secretive Project Wing, told Bloomberg News in his most expansive comments on Google’s vision to date. “The idea being that it’s not ‘Google is going to go out and build a solution and everyone else has to subscribe to it.’ The idea really is anyone should be free to build a solution.” 1212474;1437790124;decimation;translation: we will crush anyone who attempts to enter this space 1212475;1437790364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70200 @ 0.0005094 = 35.7599 BTC [+] 1212476;1437790688;trinque;felipelalli: lol, looks like I need to make that regex greedy 1212477;1437790696;trinque;I'll fix that then run your thing back through 1212478;1437790718;trinque;"yo dawg, I heard you like gpg..." 1212479;1437790984;felipelalli;trinque, what? :) 1212480;1437791008;trinque;felipelalli: second signature got hacked off when it posted 1212481;1437791028;trinque;no one could have ever forseen a signed message inside a signed message, you see! 1212482;1437791030;felipelalli;really? But I can see here: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-07-25-00-46-05.txt 1212483;1437791033;decimation;asciilifeform, others: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.openwrt.devel/32651 "I just committed a change making musl the new default libc in OpenWrt 1212484;1437791034;assbot;OpenWrt Development List ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMpC58 ) 1212485;1437791036;decimation;trunk, replacing uclibc." 1212486;1437791040;trinque;felipelalli: second sig is gone 1212487;1437791060;felipelalli;LOL 1212488;1437791065;felipelalli;I just noticed it now 1212489;1437791130;felipelalli;trinque, the problem was the UTF** again? 1212490;1437791146;felipelalli;Or did I do something wrong? 1212491;1437791156;mats;http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/23/technology/isis-chan/index.html 1212492;1437791157;assbot;Anime nerds are trying to Google bomb ISIS - Jul. 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDQWKJ ) 1212493;1437791158;trinque;felipelalli: nah, muh regex is derped 1212494;1437791164;trinque;I'll fix it this evening and send your thing back through 1212495;1437791200;felipelalli;thank you very much. Actually you can ignore this. This was just the proposal contract, not the final yet. 1212496;1437791210;trinque;eh I'll still send it through as a test case then 1212497;1437791211;felipelalli;But I'll send a similar soon. 1212498;1437791215;trinque;cool, sounds fine 1212499;1437791218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109821 @ 0.00050377 = 55.3245 BTC [-] {2} 1212500;1437791236;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/24/skipping-church-facial-recognition-software-could-be-tracking-you 1212501;1437791238;assbot;Skipping church? Facial recognition software could be tracking you - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDR3WF ) 1212502;1437791264;decimation;I considered building something like that myself 1212503;1437791285;decimation;of course wapo thinks it's an evil idea, but perfectly fine for usg/telcoms to do it 1212504;1437791422;decimation;obviously this kind of thing is going to slowly expand to be 'normal' in almost all situations 1212505;1437791444;mats;time to bring back the hoodie and aviator sunglasses look 1212506;1437791448;decimation;heh 1212507;1437792194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00050232 = 21.5495 BTC [-] 1212508;1437792377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10306 @ 0.0005094 = 5.2499 BTC [+] 1212509;1437792517;cazalla;this is probably common to every library now but i look at the melbourne public library's website and notice they have ebooks available for loan.. go to loan ebook but can't because someone else has it out on loan and they only have 1 copy available 1212510;1437792548;decimation;cazalla: doesn't that strike you as the dumbest thing ever? 1212511;1437792722;cazalla;someone somewhere must be making a killing off such a scheme 1212512;1437792743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.0005194 = 47.7329 BTC [+] 1212513;1437792746;cazalla;i figured the loan button was just another way of saying download, should've known better 1212514;1437792749;decimation;yes, it's certainly the case that your tax dollars are going to some kind of 'authors collective' 1212515;1437792781;cazalla;trying to suss out if they charge late fees on ebooks now 1212516;1437792858;decimation;I thought most of those 'ebook lending schemes' worked on some kind of time-based poison pill 1212517;1437792911;asciilifeform;cazalla: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=918 << related. 1212518;1437792912;assbot;Loper OS » To Lend is the Right of an Owner – That is, Not You. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TY5dDA ) 1212519;1437793109;decimation;asciilifeform: what annoys me even more is that the selection of 'lendable ebooks' is complete shit 1212520;1437793117;asciilifeform;unsurprising 1212521;1437793122;decimation;usually throwaway fiction, never worthwhile technical books 1212522;1437793144;asciilifeform;if someone is dumb enough to buy into such a chumpatron, why bother serving up anything but pablum 1212523;1437793168;decimation;you would think they could at least serve up google's copy of pre-1923 books 1212524;1437793190;asciilifeform;decimation: folks would cotton on to the truth - them being entirely free - pretty quickly 1212525;1437793204;decimation;so the proles could read the victorians lamenting their future dumb asses 1212526;1437793214;asciilifeform;last thing the 'ebook' racket wants is an infinite fountain of free. 1212527;1437793272;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212505 << the 'face recognizer' thing is setting the stage for some epic lulz. think 'sausage attack.' just about all the commercial face processors readily fall for inkjet-printed masks that wouldn't fool a child 1212528;1437793272;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 02:30:44; mats: time to bring back the hoodie and aviator sunglasses look 1212529;1437793292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61074 @ 0.00051953 = 31.7298 BTC [+] {3} 1212530;1437793318;decimation;^ all biometrics fall to similar kinds of sybil attacks 1212531;1437793578;cazalla;asciilifeform, seems an obvious prediction in hindsight.. i guess i should step inside the library more often 1212532;1437793606;decimation;cazalla: the problem is that most american libraries have gotten rid of their physical books 1212533;1437793617;decimation;or carry nothing but similiar pablum 1212534;1437793648;cazalla;i called them up regarding the late fees and no, no late fees on an ebook, librarian told me without prompting that they don't support the kindle either 1212535;1437793718;asciilifeform;cazalla: the libraries where i live, still have books 1212536;1437793737;asciilifeform;but the only ones with serious books are at universities 1212537;1437793757;decimation;^ 1212538;1437793758;asciilifeform;the municipal libraries are being converted to halls where homeless folks can check email, yes. 1212539;1437793820;cazalla;their ebooks use this software apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OverDrive,_Inc. 1212540;1437793821;assbot;OverDrive, Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1It8B7p ) 1212541;1437793842;cazalla;well, software developed by that company anyway 1212542;1437793870;cazalla;"The company's global network includes more than 27,000 libraries and schools." 1212543;1437793938;asciilifeform;'In January 2009, OverDrive informed Fictionwise that it would no longer be providing downloads for purchasers of e-books through Fictionwise as of January 31, 2009. No reason was provided to Fictionwise as to why it was being shut down. This prevents previous purchasers from being able to renew their books on new devices. Fictionwise was working to provide replacement ebooks for its customers in alternative, non-DRM-protected 1212544;1437793938;asciilifeform; formats, but did not have the rights to provide all of the books in different formats.' 1212545;1437793941;asciilifeform;^ l0l! 1212546;1437793973;asciilifeform;it has ~always~ been abundantly obvious what 'content vendors' think of folks dumb enough not to pirate. 1212547;1437794088;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, either they think they can't 'reach that market' or they are dumber than the average prole 1212548;1437794164;asciilifeform;copyrasts whine about 'if you made movie, you didn't make that movie' but there can be no such thing as too cruel a revenge for 'if you bought a book, you didn't buy that book' 1212549;1437794205;decimation;asciilifeform: actually I find youtube to be an interesting case here 1212550;1437794290;decimation;many otherwise strict copyrasts load up youtube with their warez (where they are easily copied) 1212551;1437794304;decimation;they can't help themselves because 'think of the publicity!' 1212552;1437794381;asciilifeform;they still persist in delusions of 'ownership' 1212553;1437794394;asciilifeform;try displaying the thing outside of turdtube, sans pestilential ads, etc. 1212554;1437794486;decimation;yeah, there's a tacit agreement - you can copy our stuff but only we can sell it 1212555;1437794527;decimation;actually what I find far more offensive than pablum-slinging are the academic publisher fiefs 1212556;1437794561;asciilifeform;these exist at the pleasure of usg. 1212557;1437794593;decimation;sure, but they use their exalted position to keep out those who don't have 'notes from stalin' 1212558;1437794598;asciilifeform;but also because today's academitards are risk-averse sheeple of the worst kind. 1212559;1437794619;asciilifeform;'can't put paper on www, it isn't prestigious' 1212560;1437794634;decimation;'need prestige to get sinecure' 1212561;1437794651;asciilifeform;the operative word is 'get' 1212562;1437794654;asciilifeform;get where, from who 1212563;1437794664;asciilifeform;point the finger - there. 1212564;1437794683;decimation;generally the crown, or one of its organs 1212565;1437794760;asciilifeform;crown could, if wished, proclaim tomorrow 'any academic claiming a publication on his cv that is not freely available on www is committing fraud, and liable' 1212566;1437794769;asciilifeform;don't hold your breath for this. but ~could~ 1212567;1437794787;decimation;they kinda made a halfass derp in that direction 1212568;1437794797;decimation;but it has enough loopholes to not make a difference 1212569;1437794807;asciilifeform;precisely the kind of faux reform that exists to 'check a box' 1212570;1437794812;asciilifeform;'see, we tried' 1212571;1437794896;asciilifeform;but it is a mistake to think that elsevier, wiley, et al exist to 'keep research from the plebes.' no one gives half a rat's arse about plebes. they exist as an inevitable fly on the juicy meat of the university 1212572;1437794907;asciilifeform;just like the suppliers of $100 test tubes and $500 table legs 1212573;1437794917;decimation;yeah, the plebes are kept out merely as a side effect of the gorging 1212574;1437794940;decimation;because if the shoe-shine boy could get in on the racket it's already blown its load 1212575;1437794979;asciilifeform;yes, elsevier is in the position to 'you get to pay us $2mil/yr or you don't get to run a university library' 1212576;1437794987;asciilifeform;but it is one of 1,001 such entities 1212577;1437795021;asciilifeform;gigantic bags of money don't come with arms and legs, can't defend selves from rentseekers 1212578;1437795036;decimation;as for 'sheeple' - you of course realize how thin the shadow of an implication of a threat you would need to make for a tenure-hopeful to be thrown into near-suicidal doubt 1212579;1437795069;asciilifeform;ergo when usg throws money to academitards, it really enriches the vultures who feed on the latter 1212580;1437795094;decimation;yeah, like the 'gold rushers' of yore, the folks who got rich were the middlemen 1212581;1437795133;asciilifeform;drink that cup of its-weight-in-gold water. 1212582;1437795135;asciilifeform;delicious. 1212583;1437795153;asciilifeform;and costs just the same across the street, too. 1212584;1437795158;asciilifeform;because - it can. 1212585;1437795211;decimation;yeah, the miners were not known for actually holding gold 1212586;1437795226;asciilifeform;and it is very much not because they did not want to. 1212587;1437795330;asciilifeform;(at times, the 'water sellers' are peculiarly slow to catch up - consider, for instance, that mains current cheap enough to mine btc with at a profit still appears to exist somewhere !) 1212588;1437795380;decimation;asciilifeform: actually I was thinking about how one could buy otherwise useless land in the desert, get usg to subsidize solar, and sell space in a 'miner's datacenter' 1212589;1437795399;asciilifeform;good way to build a free gift of hash for usg 1212590;1437795404;asciilifeform;i'll pass. 1212591;1437795406;decimation;heh 1212592;1437795427;decimation;'you didn't mine that bitcoin' 1212593;1437795519;asciilifeform;and... where did the tx spam go 1212594;1437795521;asciilifeform;i miss it so 1212595;1437795530;decimation;free testing service? 1212596;1437795535;asciilifeform;aha 1212597;1437795545;asciilifeform;was very good test for me nodes 1212598;1437795582;decimation;I guess the 'bitcoin core' devs and their patrons are regrouping 1212599;1437795611;asciilifeform;making list of whose packets to drop must be hard wurk 1212600;1437796697;mircea_popescu;ohai 1212601;1437797102;asciilifeform;phun phakt. ubiquitous series of ethernet cards by 'realtek' take (optional) microcode updates. (they are volatile, live in a kind of 'patch ram' until next reset.) they do not appear to match any known cpu arch (i tried a dozen or so.) 1212602;1437797175;asciilifeform;available evidence points to these being code for a dsp, which modulates the business end of that thing, ~in software~. whoever solves these, could, conveivably, play music through the pairs... 1212603;1437797228;asciilifeform;[insert obligatory thread re: 'magic packet' here] 1212604;1437797238;mats;interesting 1212605;1437797257;asciilifeform;phun phakt 2: the words 'magic packet' appear in the chip docs. for traditional variants thereof ('wake on lan') naturally 1212606;1437797279;asciilifeform;several kinds are implemented. decoded 'in hardware' (that is to say, of course, by the thing running that microcode..) 1212607;1437797318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128300 @ 0.00051414 = 65.9642 BTC [-] {2} 1212608;1437797399;asciilifeform;https://github.com/Mieze/RTL8111_driver_for_OS_X/blob/master/RealtekRTL8111/RealtekRTL8111Linux-803700.cpp#L4737 << example 1212609;1437797468;asciilifeform;i will add, mainly for n00bz in audience, that this nic - like all modern nics - does dma. 1212610;1437797479;asciilifeform;and can 'master the bus' 1212611;1437797526;asciilifeform;~end of phun phakt musical interlude.~ 1212612;1437797562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00051695 = 32.878 BTC [+] 1212613;1437798050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263100 @ 0.00052288 = 137.5697 BTC [+] {3} 1212614;1437798721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32968 @ 0.0005305 = 17.4895 BTC [+] {2} 1212615;1437798792;mircea_popescu;heh. 1212616;1437800429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98350 @ 0.00050913 = 50.0729 BTC [-] {3} 1212617;1437801588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122200 @ 0.00050984 = 62.3024 BTC [+] {2} 1212618;1437801954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00050525 = 25.1109 BTC [-] {3} 1212619;1437802198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58951 @ 0.00050143 = 29.5598 BTC [-] {3} 1212620;1437804090;scoopbot_revived;Oracle Sunday on Eulora http://trilema.com/2015/oracle-sunday-on-eulora/ 1212621;1437804211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00052979 = 9.5813 BTC [+] {2} 1212622;1437805187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77851 @ 0.00053731 = 41.8301 BTC [+] 1212623;1437805553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52591 @ 0.00053843 = 28.3166 BTC [+] {2} 1212624;1437805614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64609 @ 0.00054307 = 35.0872 BTC [+] {3} 1212625;1437806346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111000 @ 0.00054698 = 60.7148 BTC [+] {3} 1212626;1437808177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00053731 = 34.0386 BTC [-] 1212627;1437809030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32038 @ 0.00055171 = 17.6757 BTC [+] {3} 1212628;1437811531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111040 @ 0.00055242 = 61.3407 BTC [+] {2} 1212629;1437812141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96036 @ 0.00053834 = 51.7 BTC [-] {2} 1212630;1437814276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20503 @ 0.00054919 = 11.26 BTC [+] {2} 1212631;1437816350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89550 @ 0.00054915 = 49.1764 BTC [-] 1212632;1437816716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054915 = 16.145 BTC [-] 1212633;1437820254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16751 @ 0.00054914 = 9.1986 BTC [-] {2} 1212634;1437820315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42868 @ 0.00054702 = 23.4497 BTC [-] 1212635;1437821962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70650 @ 0.00055306 = 39.0737 BTC [+] {2} 1212636;1437822389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36632 @ 0.00054702 = 20.0384 BTC [-] 1212637;1437823609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26362 @ 0.00055127 = 14.5326 BTC [+] {3} 1212638;1437823670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88688 @ 0.00055404 = 49.1367 BTC [+] {2} 1212639;1437827635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113619 @ 0.00055495 = 63.0529 BTC [+] {3} 1212640;1437829046;scoopbot_revived;Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Continues To Grow http://qntra.net/2015/07/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-continues-to-grow/ 1212641;1437830929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54320 @ 0.00053731 = 29.1867 BTC [-] 1212642;1437832210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59443 @ 0.00055625 = 33.0652 BTC [+] {2} 1212643;1437832271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22213 @ 0.00055695 = 12.3715 BTC [+] 1212644;1437832510;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212275 << in any case it'll benefit from being actually tried, especially if tried by people who aren't experts. 1212645;1437832510;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 20:58:09; ascii_field: i.e. if there is anyone here with a linux box on which any of the bins built thus far fail to run, something is very very wrong 1212646;1437832596;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212302 << taxation is first and foremost a political activity. it is an economic activity as a very distant second. the noton that "it'd ok because we;re doing productive milking" misses the point by about the same berth as the notion that "it's ok, we don't need guns because we got money". this is simply not how the car works. 1212647;1437832596;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 23:59:48; asciilifeform: usg has a firm grasp on milking the real feed base - the low-six-fig-usd artisan 1212648;1437832620;mircea_popescu;it is a much stronger state that which taxes everyone, no matter how little, than the one which mostly doesn't tax, but gets "more money". the money it gets are worthless to it 1212649;1437832639;mircea_popescu;which point should readily explain why it costs the chinese nothing to make missiles and the usians can't afford to make a plane. 1212650;1437832662;mircea_popescu;it is also why b,tmsr~ works the way it does. 1212651;1437833121;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212358 << romania has a mandatory scheme (for the insurers - you may not obtain permit to sell insurance if you don't offer it to ANYONE!) that costs something ridiculous like 0.01% 1212652;1437833121;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 00:19:48; nubbins`: any home owners in here wanna share their annual insurance premium, as a percentage of the value of their home? 1212653;1437833142;mircea_popescu;then again romania consists of brick and concrete. 1212654;1437834223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63432 @ 0.00055695 = 35.3285 BTC [+] 1212655;1437834711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106699 @ 0.00054465 = 58.1136 BTC [-] {2} 1212656;1437835441;cazalla;well, that'd be the rest of the sambuca gone.. result is muh monitor is looking like it is placed a couple metres away and is like 50m wide 1212657;1437835489;cazalla;bingoboingo not around so must assume he is out banging black strippers 1212658;1437835534;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo i don't mind the darker complection but hope you tripple wrapping that shit brudda 1212659;1437835534;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1212660;1437835687;shinohai;https://transfer.sh/Oqy64/bxgxyqn.png 1212661;1437835689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOF2Ll ) 1212662;1437835784;cazalla;whiteman wonka keeps em down shinohai 1212663;1437835797;shinohai;xD 1212664;1437836011;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckkZihQUaU 1212665;1437836012;assbot;MICHAEL BAY'S EVANGELION - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0I1XB ) 1212666;1437836136;cazalla;fkn sambuca, should'va stuck to soap bar, cause soap bar lastrs cause its fkn consistent 1212667;1437836402;mircea_popescu;!up alt072 1212668;1437836438;mircea_popescu;!rate alt072 1 New Eulorian 1212669;1437836438;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/91353e66a1bb3d62 1212670;1437836463;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.alt072.1:f08f7ddcbe375259c7186e524a39b3bd176d7d528d39fa50f347d14194f9eaaa 1212671;1437836463;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for alt072 with note: New Eulorian 1212672;1437836520;alt072;thanks mircea! 1212673;1437836535;mircea_popescu;yee 1212674;1437836689;mircea_popescu;alt072 http://dpaste.com/3RCDGY9 1212675;1437836691;assbot;dpaste: 3RCDGY9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOGnSp ) 1212676;1437836703;mircea_popescu;see you in game. 1212677;1437837800;cazalla;what ya reckon, like father like son, i think he has good aesthetics, just gotta hit those weights like zyzz in a few years time http://i.imgur.com/rBilkrW.png http://i.imgur.com/nIRxdfT.png 1212678;1437837801;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOJ8TI ) 1212679;1437837802;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOJbii ) 1212680;1437837817;cazalla;mircea_popescu, what happened to your body guard anyway.. took bullet? jumped on grenade? retired? 1212681;1437837854;cazalla;in this house, we make pizza base from scratch mother fucker 1212682;1437837950;mats;;;bc,stats 1212683;1437837954;gribble;Current Blocks: 366927 | Current Difficulty: 5.227830484559168E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 368927 | Next Difficulty In: 2000 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.80941 1212684;1437837990;mats;gribble is still stuck 1212685;1437838011;cazalla;gribble be stuck since mid 2014 iirc 1212686;1437838011;mats;wait, nvm 1212687;1437838080;mats;win kernel aslr bypass https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3P18M-shbwrNWZTa181ZWRCclk 1212688;1437838081;assbot;BypassAslrWin10.pdf - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOJAkY ) 1212689;1437838890;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLXXa34NgFk throw chickens 1212690;1437838891;assbot;SONGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW HAD LYRICS: LEGEND OF ZELDA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOKYnI ) 1212691;1437839381;cazalla;zzzz preserve your memories, they're all thats left you 1212692;1437839835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70400 @ 0.00055219 = 38.8742 BTC [+] {3} 1212693;1437840689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00055732 = 3.8455 BTC [+] 1212694;1437840733;shinohai;Dear mircea_popescu, this is why I think Spanish-language television is better than the Italian stuff you showed me yesterday: https://i.imgur.com/R6ClLWo.png 1212695;1437840734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFGfaL ) 1212696;1437840739;shinohai;Regards, shinohai 1212697;1437843916;jurov;hi all 1212698;1437843926;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls mpex withdraw 1212699;1437844762;mircea_popescu;jurov will do. 1212700;1437844973;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212423 << mexico esp in the south is very distinctively colorful. superblue, megaorange, half the houses covered in shiny tile because mere paint not saturated enough... 1212701;1437844973;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 00:47:17; nubbins`: now it's just a thing people do. i have a friend who painted his house neon green 1212702;1437845139;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212471 << more like, only path to survival for google. they don't have an actual place in the marketplace, they're much too large, old and ossified to find one. if they don't pull a redhat/mcdonalds/walmart/whatever and screw themselves in the usg spigot, they're going the way of revlon. 1212703;1437845139;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 02:08:19; decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-24/google-has-way-to-unclog-drone-filled-skies-like-it-did-the-web < google salivates over the idea of appointing itself 'usg commissar of drones' 1212704;1437845141;shinohai;Oh gawd, Miami was much the same last time I was there. 1212705;1437845207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212474 << yeah, like they crushed anyone trying to make derpy social media sites with g+ and everyone trying to poke people in the eye with glass. 1212706;1437845207;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 02:08:44; decimation: translation: we will crush anyone who attempts to enter this space 1212707;1437845292;mircea_popescu;" how nerds around the world are trying to silence violent ISIS terrorist propaganda." 1212708;1437845294;mircea_popescu;bwhahaha. 1212709;1437845303;mircea_popescu;usg sez "GLOBALIZED NERDS!!11" 1212710;1437845408;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212510 << it's pretty fucktarded. "the only copy of this file is <>" ? bwahahaha 1212711;1437845408;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 02:49:08; decimation: cazalla: doesn't that strike you as the dumbest thing ever? 1212712;1437845658;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212526 << somehow i got this far through life without ever touching an ebook. 1212713;1437845658;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 03:00:14; asciilifeform: last thing the 'ebook' racket wants is an infinite fountain of free. 1212714;1437845690;mircea_popescu;but to whosoever struggles to understand my outright rejection of pdfs : think moar. same stupid shit, the ebook of the 90s. 1212715;1437845946;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212599 << getting worse every day. 1212716;1437845946;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 03:40:11; asciilifeform: making list of whose packets to drop must be hard wurk 1212717;1437846606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67427 @ 0.00054674 = 36.865 BTC [+] 1212718;1437846789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00054177 = 40.7953 BTC [-] 1212719;1437847216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00054177 = 19.4495 BTC [-] 1212720;1437847582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65750 @ 0.00054287 = 35.6937 BTC [+] {2} 1212721;1437848070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00054177 = 37.1112 BTC [-] 1212722;1437849107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25714 @ 0.00054946 = 14.1288 BTC [+] {2} 1212723;1437849503;scoopbot_revived;The Lion King http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/25/the-lion-king/ 1212724;1437849534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99000 @ 0.00055245 = 54.6926 BTC [+] {2} 1212725;1437850303;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212714 << i thought it was because infinitely-buggy, exploitable version of 'postscript' ? 1212726;1437850303;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 17:34:50; mircea_popescu: but to whosoever struggles to understand my outright rejection of pdfs : think moar. same stupid shit, the ebook of the 90s. 1212727;1437850403;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212712 << didntcha read orwell as txt ? 1212728;1437850403;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 17:34:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212526 << somehow i got this far through life without ever touching an ebook. 1212729;1437850992;mats;http://www.intelsecurity.com/advanced-threat-research/content/AttackingAndDefendingBIOS-RECon2015.pdf 1212730;1437851129;asciilifeform;mats: Run Moar Winblowz! (puzzled? don't be. you don't need uefi on your box unless you Run Moar Winblowz. nuke it, replace with civilized bios) 1212731;1437851730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27808 @ 0.00055719 = 15.4943 BTC [+] {2} 1212732;1437852310;mats;literally worse than AIDS 1212733;1437852950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46650 @ 0.00055685 = 25.9771 BTC [-] {2} 1212734;1437853194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78050 @ 0.0005519 = 43.0758 BTC [-] {2} 1212735;1437853411;ben_vulpes;buenos dias 1212736;1437853435;ben_vulpes;today we irc from the maternal care clinic! 1212737;1437853438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96650 @ 0.00055814 = 53.9442 BTC [+] {2} 1212738;1437853596;shinohai;Que hay de bueno ben_vulpes, y que haces en una clinica? 1212739;1437853724;ben_vulpes;taking care of the girl. kidney/bladder mystery. 1212740;1437853798;shinohai;Sorry to hear that. I had surgery for a kidney stone years ago, and it was no picnic 1212741;1437853940;ben_vulpes;girl says "watch the tests come back and the nurses struggle to say 'you're a weenie, pregnancy hurts, there's nothing wrong with you go home' politely" 1212742;1437854073;trinque;haha 1212743;1437854083;trinque;well at least it'll put her mind off it if so 1212744;1437854195;ben_vulpes;in other news, it's raining for the first time in...weeks? months? in portland. 1212745;1437854258;trinque;lovely out 1212746;1437854414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52368 @ 0.00054018 = 28.2881 BTC [-] {2} 1212747;1437854719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98956 @ 0.00053737 = 53.176 BTC [-] {4} 1212748;1437855085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126450 @ 0.00055885 = 70.6666 BTC [+] {3} 1212749;1437855939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00055811 = 21.1524 BTC [-] 1212750;1437858013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131200 @ 0.00055801 = 73.2109 BTC [-] {4} 1212751;1437858318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56038 @ 0.00053374 = 29.9097 BTC [-] {2} 1212752;1437859319;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes blood ? 1212753;1437859376;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part22 << not an ebook is it ? 1212754;1437859379;assbot;Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1gc7qgj ) 1212755;1437859487;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-07-2015#1212680 << yeah, married an ex whore, settled down in bari iirc 1212756;1437859487;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 15:23:37; cazalla: mircea_popescu, what happened to your body guard anyway.. took bullet? jumped on grenade? retired? 1212757;1437859496;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waitasec 1212758;1437859500;asciilifeform;what's an ebook then 1212759;1437859518;mircea_popescu;a sort of pdf. 1212760;1437859525;asciilifeform;necessarily ? 1212761;1437859545;mircea_popescu;www.ebooks.com/ < 1212762;1437859550;mircea_popescu;it's a turdformat. 1212763;1437859558;asciilifeform;even some of the most bitterly chumpatronic drm-encrusted turd formats aren't paginated 1212764;1437859566;asciilifeform;e.g., 'kindle' mobi 1212765;1437859586;asciilifeform;(which, incidentally, is trivially decrypted into plain ascii) 1212766;1437859610;mircea_popescu;point being, they're all the same thing, aka a pdf : an attempt to encapsulate text into some sort of blob. 1212767;1437859630;asciilifeform;every morning, birds try to encapsulate my car into a kind of blob 1212768;1437859632;mircea_popescu;whatever the pretext : so it's "easier to print", so it "can be handled by tabled", what have you, it's an abuse of text 1212769;1437859633;asciilifeform;it's an ephemeral thing. 1212770;1437859640;mircea_popescu;the POINT of text is that everyone fucks with its bits. 1212771;1437859660;mircea_popescu;hence intetextuality. 1212772;1437860137;mircea_popescu;in other news, woman has an alien https://daretoredream.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/birthing-pool-43-rev.jpg 1212773;1437860139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GP5kI8 ) 1212774;1437860228;*;asciilifeform in other news is sitting and writing 16-bit x86 crud 1212775;1437860819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.00054946 = 28.2422 BTC [+] {2} 1212776;1437861068;mircea_popescu;!up pussyfreak 1212777;1437861096;pussyfreak;ty 1212778;1437861734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00056027 = 14.0628 BTC [+] 1212779;1437861795;*;asciilifeform notices that phuctor Π(∀n) is most of a GB 1212780;1437861813;asciilifeform;(in decimal form, that is) 1212781;1437861976;shinohai;@ ben_vulpes are you still around ? 1212782;1437862047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1k digits/modulus means that most keys are actually 4kb huh 1212783;1437862209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: avg. modulus is ~700 digits, which corresponds to ~2048 bits. 1212784;1437862229;mircea_popescu;aha 1212785;1437862236;asciilifeform;so 2kb 1212786;1437862237;mircea_popescu;this seems more in line with what one'd expect 1212787;1437862269;asciilifeform;in other news, average human has half a cock 1212788;1437862306;mircea_popescu;along or across ? 1212789;1437862312;mircea_popescu;"astitch" 1212790;1437862316;asciilifeform;dulap! 1212791;1437862414;jurov;i thought average human is hermaphrodit 1212792;1437862464;ben_vulpes;shinohai: am now, what's up? 1212793;1437862470;shinohai;Well, I guess you are sorta right jurov 1212794;1437862588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 346054 @ 0.00056091 = 194.1051 BTC [+] {4} 1212795;1437862910;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/L3m5puQ.jpg 1212796;1437862912;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFMYvk ) 1212797;1437864235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96672 @ 0.0005332 = 51.5455 BTC [-] {2} 1212798;1437864967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00056133 = 45.2993 BTC [+] 1212799;1437867468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121602 @ 0.00056133 = 68.2589 BTC [+] 1212800;1437867591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43016 @ 0.00056134 = 24.1466 BTC [+] {2} 1212801;1437868200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141686 @ 0.00054083 = 76.628 BTC [-] {3} 1212802;1437868329;ben_vulpes;apropos of nothing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823.msg9530#msg9530 1212803;1437868331;assbot;overflow bug SERIOUS ... ( http://bit.ly/1S2840F ) 1212804;1437868537;ben_vulpes;related to above, when and how was the reward halving bug discovered? 1212805;1437868556;mircea_popescu;2012ish ? 1212806;1437868566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36211 @ 0.00056136 = 20.3274 BTC [+] 1212807;1437868891;ben_vulpes;hm, sorry. i'm asking the wrong question. was there ever a "reward restart" bug discovered, where the reward effectively started over after the final subsidized block? 1212808;1437869058;ben_vulpes;https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/changeset/84950 << 'boost' 'svn' cert look bad to anyone else? 1212809;1437869137;mircea_popescu;!up user_999123 1212810;1437869155;user_999123;hello 1212811;1437869161;user_999123;i jsut want to know how i can keep my voice 1212812;1437869161;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not afaik. it just failed to go to 0. 1212813;1437869168;mircea_popescu;!h 1212814;1437869168;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1212815;1437869178;mircea_popescu;user_999123 get registered with assbot, get rated, then you can self-voice. 1212816;1437870518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.000555 = 15.096 BTC [-] 1212817;1437871591;shinohai;https://twitter.com/miketyson/status/624986928690036737 1212818;1437871610;shinohai;^Hopefully, he will bite off Gavin's penis. 1212819;1437871949;asciilifeform;https://github.com/guilleiguaran/xv6 1212820;1437871951;assbot;guilleiguaran/xv6 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OG4cwV ) 1212821;1437872205;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, im finally caught up to current on that one build we've been discussing. since last time we talked, I did hook up to both: -connect=195.211.154.159 -connect=64.85.171.71 1212822;1437872224;mod6;I did get stuck a few times inbetween and i had to restart bitcoind, then it kept going. 1212823;1437872227;mod6;now fully sync.d 1212824;1437872255;mod6;366985 1212825;1437872591;asciilifeform;this having to restart thing is odd, and worrisome 1212826;1437873482;shinohai;@ asciilifeform is there a stator binary available for pogo anywhere? 1212827;1437873558;asciilifeform;shinohai: yes, in the original post 1212828;1437873566;asciilifeform;on the ml. 1212829;1437873583;asciilifeform;i do not recommend using it for anything 1212830;1437873863;shinohai;Is it ok for private testing tho? 1212831;1437873948;asciilifeform;sure 1212832;1437873950;asciilifeform;at own risk 1212833;1437873973;asciilifeform;and check the pgp sig 1212834;1437873979;asciilifeform;or don't be surprised when it formats your hd 1212835;1437874020;shinohai;Searching for it now. No worries on the HD format, I'm just using a spare one with nothing else on it naturally. 1212836;1437874178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105200 @ 0.000555 = 58.386 BTC [-] 1212837;1437876313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00054289 = 11.8893 BTC [-] 1212838;1437877503;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212646 < this is a good point (taxation is always political). yet it does have economic consequences, and I would prefer to distort the economy toward favoring work and saving over consumption 1212839;1437877503;assbot;Logged on 25-07-2015 13:56:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212302 << taxation is first and foremost a political activity. it is an economic activity as a very distant second. the noton that "it'd ok because we;re doing productive milking" misses the point by about the same berth as the notion that "it's ok, we don't need guns because we got money". this is simply not how the car works. 1212840;1437877604;decimation;policies like income & capital gains tax can be seen as a method of exhausting potential suitors to power 1212841;1437877899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54317 @ 0.00054289 = 29.4882 BTC [-] 1212842;1437878204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.0005513 = 47.9907 BTC [+] {2} 1212843;1437879308;trinque;motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago 1212844;1437879313;trinque;and nothing else :P 1212845;1437879331;ben_vulpes;heh. 1212846;1437879337;ben_vulpes;bezzleputing. 1212847;1437879391;trinque;no kidding 1212848;1437879417;trinque;their own tools barf incomprehensibly, as though they have diverged from the API 1212849;1437879424;trinque;rather, vice versa 1212850;1437879445;trinque;trying to register an AMI, already have the turds and manifest.xml on s3 1212851;1437879451;ben_vulpes;"boto" in particular is rife with this. 1212852;1437879458;decimation;they probably work with 'amazon os' 1212853;1437879478;trinque;what's that, repackaged rhel? 1212854;1437879517;decimation;yeah pretty much 1212855;1437879533;trinque;ha, figures 1212856;1437879605;ben_vulpes;http://mempool.info/ << not really up to date now are you 1212857;1437879610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85944 @ 0.00056141 = 48.2498 BTC [+] {2} 1212858;1437879671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 282493 @ 0.00056499 = 159.6057 BTC [+] {5} 1212859;1437881047;hanbot;hey ben_vulpes ftr i get "gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set" on sig verification of http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000130.html (ak47) 1212860;1437881048;assbot;[BTC-dev] ak47.sh: another script to build referenceimplementations ... ( http://bit.ly/1MlRDra ) 1212861;1437881078;asciilifeform;hanbot: which gpg ver ? 1212862;1437881104;hanbot;1.4.10 1212863;1437881111;asciilifeform;mighty interesting 1212864;1437881252;asciilifeform;hanbot: sha512 of your input ? 1212865;1437881266;asciilifeform;65acc7bc057f9de32c06554dc7394567e930bde46889aab2bd21c33be5f4e9bafd4cc6b2a6d83803ccd2863f1ad9ac59245bb870d468f56e49dbcd71a364d9aa attachment_b31ed3a26d4767ded9ba54474f6e1d3078c48296.txt << mine 1212866;1437881420;hanbot;3197e61aff68e988c611b6ef4c4d7092645804a800112435089da3af1a9ef2bea8fb6198de3f0ab17483e601cc1ce1a0e0afd4132607bdc7f6ef5d08953e1f83 ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig 1212867;1437881426;hanbot;3bace2da4885b2b2558816c7bb422a5158e3b3dca7b5ae1addea00818a475edac5639e1a3fe6c398b2100e1d8f6cee0f9e15e3ec597d2a45b5defc2b14a481b2 ak47_488e72a1a0f765c614518e0ca67bd733a4117e8f.sh 1212868;1437881474;asciilifeform;ah - them 1212869;1437881547;asciilifeform;same. 1212870;1437881548;asciilifeform;and, 1212871;1437881550;asciilifeform;'gpg: Fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set' 1212872;1437881643;hanbot;aha fuckstix. 1212873;1437881650;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ? 1212874;1437881777;asciilifeform;gpg --print-mds ak47_488e72a1a0f765c614518e0ca67bd733a4117e8f.sh 1212875;1437881785;asciilifeform;[snipped various] 1212876;1437881791;asciilifeform;SHA512 = 3BACE2DA 4885B2B2 558816C7 BB422A51 58E3B3DC A7B5AE1A DDEA0081 8A475EDA 1212877;1437881792;asciilifeform; C5639E1A 3FE6C398 B2100E1D 8F6CEE0F 9E15E3EC 597D2A45 B5DEFC2B 14A481B2 1212878;1437881845;asciilifeform; $ pgpdump -i ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig 1212879;1437881846;asciilifeform;Old: Compressed Data Packet(tag 8) 1212880;1437881846;asciilifeform; Comp alg - ZIP (comp 1) 1212881;1437881846;asciilifeform;pgpdump: zlib inflate error (-3). 1212882;1437881848;asciilifeform;l0l. 1212883;1437881879;asciilifeform;aaaand 1212884;1437881881;asciilifeform;wait for it... 1212885;1437881884;asciilifeform;it's a binary sig. 1212886;1437881888;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ! 1212887;1437881921;asciilifeform;'gpg -a ...' por favor. 1212888;1437881953;asciilifeform;still doesn't explain why the binary sig got 'cosmic rayed' 1212889;1437881979;asciilifeform;and also interesting how this thing even got through jurov's turdatron 1212890;1437881988;asciilifeform;jurov ^ 1212891;1437882225;hanbot;google: No results found for "gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set" 1212892;1437882227;hanbot;tralala 1212893;1437882277;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes if you still have the original of that thing on your disk, please send to me (gpg) 1212894;1437882278;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1212895;1437882336;ben_vulpes;"worrisome" indeed. 1212896;1437882350;asciilifeform;there he is. 1212897;1437882416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79780 @ 0.00057085 = 45.5424 BTC [+] 1212898;1437882432;ben_vulpes;you want the original script or sig file? 1212899;1437882436;asciilifeform;both. 1212900;1437882462;asciilifeform;tar.gz and encrypt to me, then pastebin 1212901;1437882500;ben_vulpes;yessir 1212902;1437882745;asciilifeform;!up Bingo_VACAY 1212903;1437882813;Bingo_VACAY;Shanghai no point biting PenTagon's penis. Preservved in USG lab as complaint and not intimidating 1212904;1437882835;Bingo_VACAY;Sorry autocorrect 1212905;1437882845;*;asciilifeform error insufficient lsd 1212906;1437882874;Bingo_VACAY;Indeed will address and return in Y hours 1212907;1437883427;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/badsig.tar.gz.asc 1212908;1437883428;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLiBrF ) 1212909;1437883609;ben_vulpes;can confirm the sig is not what i broadcast. 1212910;1437883630;ben_vulpes;script is, however 1212911;1437883819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15003 @ 0.00056805 = 8.5225 BTC [-] 1212912;1437884002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00056805 = 19.3705 BTC [-] 1212913;1437884078;ben_vulpes;methinks jurov's turdolator is mutilating. 1212914;1437884165;mod6;weird-o-rama 1212915;1437884429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52377 @ 0.00054574 = 28.5842 BTC [-] {3} 1212916;1437884490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10023 @ 0.00054289 = 5.4414 BTC [-] 1212917;1437884985;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/1N3TVK6 1212918;1437884987;assbot;dpaste: 1N3TVK6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG6wh6 ) 1212919;1437885004;asciilifeform;(left: the one in the gpggram. right: the one on turdatron.) 1212920;1437885129;asciilifeform;seems like it inserts 0x0d before any 0x0a 1212921;1437885158;asciilifeform;because msdos line endings, aha. 1212922;1437885164;asciilifeform;BURN THE WORLD 1212923;1437885334;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: here is proof. 'dos2unix -f ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig' then 'diff foo.sig ak47.sh.sig' 1212924;1437885340;asciilifeform;now - identical. 1212925;1437885347;asciilifeform;QED. 1212926;1437885361;mod6;Have a bunch of automated tests (cucumber) that now builds the new test bundle, verify, check binary, test -connect, dumpblock, eatblock. ima post a log here in just a bit. 1212927;1437885374;asciilifeform;('diff ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig ak47.sh.sig' rather than foo) 1212928;1437885382;asciilifeform;mod6: neato! 1212929;1437885415;asciilifeform;hanbot: if you do the above on your box, sig will verify. 1212930;1437885487;ben_vulpes;msdos line endings in gpg or in the mailing list mutilator? 1212931;1437885553;asciilifeform;the latter 1212932;1437885627;ben_vulpes;jurov: is the thing really running on windows? 1212933;1437885670;ben_vulpes;;;later tell jurov ^^ 1212934;1437885673;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1212935;1437885909;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc this is standard sendmail behaviour 1212936;1437886275;ben_vulpes;yick. 1212937;1437886364;mod6;i was pretty happy with postfix when i ran an mta like a hundred million internet years ago 1212938;1437886409;asciilifeform;at any rate, this is kinda why we do the whole 7-bit ascii thing 1212939;1437886455;*;ben_vulpes had not yet pissed on this fence 1212940;1437886474;asciilifeform;iirc it was collectively pissed on months ago 1212941;1437886553;mod6;This test output log is a bit large, after all of the normal build output the goodies are at the end of the file (including the output from all of the subsequent tests & code): http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/v054-TEST1-cukes-log.txt 1212942;1437886557;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLl5GL ) 1212943;1437886746;hanbot;well, glad this was demystified, but 1212944;1437886760;*;hanbot glares at prospect of having to install new package --just to verify gpg sig-- 1212945;1437886791;asciilifeform;mod6: epic backbreaker. but spiffy 1212946;1437886807;mod6;thanks :] 1212947;1437886817;mod6;whole thing takes < 30 minutes to dl, build, & test. 1212948;1437886821;asciilifeform;hanbot: just this one! 1212949;1437886837;asciilifeform;hanbot: ben_vulpes sent a gpg-native binary sig instead of a standard ascii-armoured one by mistake. 1212950;1437886843;asciilifeform;so it got mutilated. 1212951;1437886846;ben_vulpes;ignorance, really. 1212952;1437886872;mod6;at some point next month, i write up a guide on how to set up cucumber as well so any one else who wants to use this can do so on their own environment. 1212953;1437887005;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150725/ak47_8e05a9c323700966880c198e1baec51f76a025d8.sh.sig << confirmed, verifies 1212954;1437887006;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG8SMO ) 1212955;1437887007;asciilifeform;hanbot ^ 1212956;1437887160;hanbot;lovely, thanks guys! 1212957;1437887237;ben_vulpes;you're probably the only person besides me to ever run it 1212958;1437887249;decimation;asciilifeform: more lulzy copyrastry: http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/07/new-patent-pool-wants-share-of-revenue-from-content-owners.html < new video codec 'patent pool' wants 0.005*ALL_UR_MONEYS 1212959;1437887250;assbot;New Patent Pool Wants 0.5% Of Every Content Owner/Distributor's Gross Revenue For Higher Quality Video - Dan Rayburn - StreamingMediaBlog.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG95Qh ) 1212960;1437887264;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i confess that i have not attempted to run it 1212961;1437887274;decimation;they claim a 50% reduction in bitrates with 'equal mos' 1212962;1437887293;ben_vulpes;you're not a pete_dushenski or a hanbot, why would you 1212963;1437887304;decimation;so prepare for everythining multimedia to be a little shittier and more annoying in the future 1212964;1437887345;asciilifeform;decimation: the gif warz never end 1212965;1437887363;asciilifeform;decimation: obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 << 1212966;1437887365;assbot;Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX ) 1212967;1437887410;decimation;yeah, obvious business pattern is obvious 1212968;1437887432;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i confess that i have not attempted to run it << i haven't had a chance either. will give it a go this week. 1212969;1437887540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153000 @ 0.00055715 = 85.244 BTC [+] 1212970;1437887640;asciilifeform;decimation: sometimes even goes the other way! i was recently surprised to learn that 'lispworks' no longer charges per-runtime royalties 1212971;1437887668;asciilifeform;(something for which that vendor was infamous. see naggum archive for some good flamewarz re: subject) 1212972;1437887675;decimation;heh interesting 1212973;1437887724;decimation;apparently it's been mooted to include this new HEVC standard into HTML5 - amazingly all of a sudden "flash" has been flooded with publicized exploits 1212974;1437887724;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1212975;1437887791;decimation;it would be just like hollywood et al to conspire to 'move content' into a box they can milk 1212976;1437887794;asciilifeform;eh, 'flash' was a steaming pile of shit from day 1 1212977;1437887821;decimation;yeah but I've noticed an uptick in stories about it recently 1212978;1437887830;decimation;as if this were some kind of secret 1212979;1437887891;asciilifeform;decimation: actually i was mistaken. it was franz/allegro who charged royalties 1212980;1437887895;asciilifeform;and not lispworks. 1212981;1437887941;asciilifeform;http://franz.com/products/licensing/commercial.lhtml#var 1212982;1437887942;assbot;Franz Inc Commercial Licensing ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLma0Y ) 1212983;1437887949;decimation;I think they have a non-profit free version now? 1212984;1437887955;*;asciilifeform does not use either of these products today 1212985;1437887971;asciilifeform;decimation: they both had crippled versions for download 1212986;1437888002;decimation;would you recommend franz over the cl with the menorah? 1212987;1437888008;asciilifeform;clisp ? 1212988;1437888011;decimation;yeah 1212989;1437888033;asciilifeform;clisp is a mostly-standardcompliant implementation of the language - but very slow 1212990;1437888055;asciilifeform;but is slow because of the very cross-platformy way in which it was written 1212991;1437888065;asciilifeform;so on some exotic machines, it may be your only option. 1212992;1437888129;asciilifeform;folks who bring in very tangible money from cl-related work, and want/need a serious support relationship, might benefit from franz or lispworks 1212993;1437888144;asciilifeform;if you fall into this category, buy one of each, try. 1212994;1437888150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64149 @ 0.00056911 = 36.5078 BTC [+] {4} 1212995;1437888154;decimation;ah ty 1212996;1437888163;asciilifeform;(if you fall into this category, you have already done this, you don't need to wait for some schmuck to tell you to) 1212997;1437888244;decimation;unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs) 1212998;1437888262;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185359514853009@naggum.net.html << obligatory naggumism 1212999;1437888264;assbot;Re: LispWorks Pricing Information from Xanalys - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1DGa6HQ ) 1213000;1437888288;asciilifeform;decimation: the naggum archive is probably the closest thing there is to a '#b-a log of common lisp' 1213001;1437888394;decimation;"Microsoft, the ruling king of mass marketed trinketware, are just surfing on the same tsunami that lifted Taiwan and Hong Kong from poverty into an inflated economy that just _had_ to crash down and wash out _enormous_ values some day. 1213002;1437888398;decimation;heh 1213003;1437888430;asciilifeform;'Personally, I think the whole business model of the software industry is rotten to the core. Microsoft is not even a contributory cause -- Bill Gates isn't smart enough to invent or create something like this. It used to be the norm that software was essentially free (gratis) and just vehicles to move hardware, which was tangible enough to make it easy for the anal-retentive beancounters to count and weigh and such, especial 1213004;1437888430;asciilifeform;ly those in the government offices in charge of squeezing the juice of out the produce of society. I think the software crisis has been created by the tax laws and government officials who were unable to understand the value of the computer industry products. Since the Western business world is operating very closely in a trigger-response pattern relative to changes to the tax laws, the regulators are fully to blame for the 1213005;1437888431;asciilifeform;inability of societies to value software properly, and hence the "protection" the software industry got in the Y2K scare, the ability to skirt warranty and every other consumer protection law, the non-constitutionality of the War on Software Piracy (which is much worse than the absolutely insane War on Drugs measured in results and costs and accepted loss of personal freedom), and numerous additional deep-rooted and pandemic c 1213006;1437888436;asciilifeform;onsequences of bad (working to destroy) and sometimes evil (intended to destroy) policy and ignorant idiots with too much power. One of the consequences is that software development is paid for over the marketing budgets, like cheap plastic pens with logo imprints that work no longer than you remember where you got it and T-shirts of so low quality that they couldn't have been sold as clothes -- when you give some trinket awa 1213007;1437888438;decimation;see: winblows 10 : microsoft trying to remain relevant 1213008;1437888443;asciilifeform;y as a marketing gimmick, of course you don't want to warrant, support, or maintain it, and of course nobody would even dream of paying royalties for it, they can just get another cheap pen or T-shirt or shirnk-wrapped software package of the shelf somewhere else.' 1213009;1437888447;asciilifeform;^ ftr. 1213010;1437888480;decimation;heh yeah I was amused by the same paragraph, where naggum predicts the fall of micrsoft, that's more-or-less playing out now 1213011;1437888533;asciilifeform;one of the hyenas fighting over the corpse (google et al), plus the still-living organs of the corpse, will become the new microshit. 1213012;1437888540;asciilifeform;just as was the case after the fall of ibm. 1213013;1437888541;decimation;of course, it's more than just a 'marketing gimmick', microsoft more-or-less requires all hardware to be painted with its binaries 1213014;1437888674;asciilifeform;the coveted 'garden of eden' situation where ~there isn't a microshit~, when there is not a usg department-of-computing that has its tentacles in every orifice - won't be coming back until some quasi-mythical breakthrough decentralizes chip fabbing 1213015;1437888694;asciilifeform;as it is, the industry is ~intrinsically~ usgtronic 1213016;1437888700;asciilifeform;through sheer force of centralization. 1213017;1437888720;decimation;yeah, if not this usg than another one 1213018;1437888764;decimation;it's kinda like expecting the king to return to minting gold after pocketing it and giving you copper coins 1213019;1437888800;asciilifeform;worse 1213020;1437888806;asciilifeform;when king takes the gold, it is still there, somewhere 1213021;1437888812;asciilifeform;could - theoretically - be seen again, one day 1213022;1437888822;decimation;heh, true 1213023;1437888833;decimation;if not in the king's hands than at least the hooker-n-blow dealers 1213024;1437888906;decimation;but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population 1213025;1437888930;asciilifeform;the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back 1213026;1437889015;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/orthecreedence/cl-async << this reeks of "let's bring js to cl" 1213027;1437889016;assbot;orthecreedence/cl-async · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLmYD9 ) 1213028;1437889059;asciilifeform;folks like to talk about 'printed' this and that, but the actual hard data on the ground are considerably more optimistic for classical problems like 'lead to gold', 'elixir of immortality', and 'energy too cheap to meter' than for desktop chip-fab. 1213029;1437889064;ben_vulpes;re previous thread: "profits of 1% on revenues of 1 billion! we're rich!" 1213030;1437889069;decimation;yarvin wrote about this pattern in the policy side of usg as the smartest bureaucrats exactly cancelling each other's efforts 1213031;1437889080;ben_vulpes;rentiers are extracting all of the "productivity" gains. 1213032;1437889155;asciilifeform;very easy to steal imaginary things 1213033;1437889170;asciilifeform;(they don't weigh much, can be carried right through walls!) 1213034;1437889187;decimation;it's even easier to steal 'having imaginary things been stolen from' 1213035;1437889238;decimation;the vaguest precedent or bureaucratic ruling sews that business up 1213036;1437889736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123050 @ 0.00057223 = 70.4129 BTC [+] {5} 1213037;1437889757;decimation;"Each of their [the Western government's] decisions is an atom unto itself, made through an almost ritualized process by a large number of very intelligent, talented and ambitious people, whose abilities tend to cancel each other almost perfectly, leaving nothing but a chilling bureaucratic continuity." 1213038;1437894616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113300 @ 0.00056924 = 64.4949 BTC [-] {3} 1213039;1437897487;jurov;http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/history/1997Russell.html 1213040;1437897530;jurov;"In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat." 1213041;1437897726;jurov;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no turdatron runs on linux. so far all the cases happened on client, i won't mind this further until you say "i have checked my outbox and it's not mutilated there" 1213042;1437897850;ben_vulpes;lo, it is mutilated in my outbox 1213043;1437897910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00056592 = 33.3327 BTC [-] 1213044;1437898318;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/scan-build/ << not much of interest, but i thought that i'd share clang's opinion with derp anzers 1213045;1437898320;assbot;src - scan-build results ... ( http://bit.ly/1S37sb4 ) 1213046;1437899252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.0005605 = 20.9627 BTC [-] 1213047;1437900228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132040 @ 0.00055983 = 73.92 BTC [-] 1213048;1437901448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24760 @ 0.00055961 = 13.8559 BTC [-] {2} 1213049;1437902607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82636 @ 0.00057019 = 47.1182 BTC [+] 1213050;1437903350;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all. 1213051;1437903350;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 01:26:19; asciilifeform: or don't be surprised when it formats your hd 1213052;1437903392;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212838 << when you're done distorting the economy you can start distorting the wave function. 1213053;1437903392;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 02:25:03; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212646 < this is a good point (taxation is always political). yet it does have economic consequences, and I would prefer to distort the economy toward favoring work and saving over consumption 1213054;1437903400;mircea_popescu;we got a lot of work for a man of your talents o.O 1213055;1437903749;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212840 << they are. the problem being of course that they also exhaust the potential of survival. because that is quite strictly what those suitors are : in their replacing of whoever, they also ensure the whole shebang can keep going. 1213056;1437903749;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 02:26:44; decimation: policies like income & capital gains tax can be seen as a method of exhausting potential suitors to power 1213057;1437903785;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212843 << cultural supremacy, you found it. 1213058;1437903785;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago 1213059;1437904027;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212891 << lmao 1213060;1437904027;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 03:43:45; hanbot: google: No results found for "gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set" 1213061;1437904032;*;mircea_popescu has enjoyed the logs so far. 1213062;1437904063;mircea_popescu;!rated hanbot 1213063;1437904063;assbot;You rated user hanbot on 30-Mar-2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: The forum loves her a lot.. 1213064;1437904087;mircea_popescu;!rate hanbot 5 extremely productive manual tester 1213065;1437904087;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cb5d1688e63ad230 1213066;1437904107;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hanbot.5:5c7030a162ab2367b81a4db0d5ef459ecaca547660a6d5397053e0a4d1428875 1213067;1437904107;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 5 to 5 with note: extremely productive manual tester 1213068;1437904315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155725 @ 0.00056193 = 87.5065 BTC [-] {2} 1213069;1437904346;mircea_popescu;!up cypherc 1213070;1437904376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117038 @ 0.00055082 = 64.4669 BTC [-] {6} 1213071;1437904411;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212920 << bwhahahahaha 1213072;1437904411;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 04:32:09; asciilifeform: seems like it inserts 0x0d before any 0x0a 1213073;1437904457;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212935 << it's basically why I/we use -a 1213074;1437904457;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 04:45:09; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc this is standard sendmail behaviour 1213075;1437904476;mircea_popescu;lol damn i should read three lines ahead. 1213076;1437904478;mircea_popescu;!up Khayman 1213077;1437904610;mircea_popescu;Making matters worse, HEVC Advance says their licensing terms [listed in detail here] are retroactive to date of 1st sale 1213078;1437904612;mircea_popescu;bwahahahah WHAT 1213079;1437904747;mircea_popescu;anyway, just more nails in the coffin of bullshiot "higher resolution". 1213080;1437904759;mircea_popescu;nobody wants it, forget it. 720px wide forever. 1213081;1437904925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64939 @ 0.00053871 = 34.9833 BTC [-] {2} 1213082;1437905716;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212997 << i vaguely remember people trying to hire someone to summarize all this. it.... never got anywhere. 1213083;1437905716;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 05:24:04; decimation: unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs) 1213084;1437906629;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho 1213085;1437906629;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 05:29:00; asciilifeform: just as was the case after the fall of ibm. 1213086;1437906695;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213024 << this is unduly self-flattering. there WAS NO PRODUCTIVITY THERE TO WASTE. this is the ultimate reason. there's no secret conspiracy of illuminati aliens to steal the manna of earth. 1213087;1437906695;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:06; decimation: but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population 1213088;1437906707;mircea_popescu;the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with. 1213089;1437906728;mircea_popescu;which is why all the charade and all the dancing. and yes the various jews, selected goats, ibms m$ and usg will be beheaded for this fault "of theirs", 1213090;1437906750;mircea_popescu;just as soon as we're done with the festivals dedicated to their dressing up as the sacrificial goat. 1213091;1437906765;mircea_popescu;but even after their blood gurgles, the fact will stand. there was no productivity there from they one. 1213092;1437906780;mircea_popescu;they're not wasting anything, they're just giving a bunch of fuctards the illusion that they actually belong here. 1213093;1437906815;mircea_popescu;which is, and has been, and will forever remain the only function, the chief utility and the very point of abstractions. it allows men to survive their fears. 1213094;1437906865;mircea_popescu;just like women gotta "be sluts" or else your paniced bipedal dog is too afraid of black holes to stick his wee wee into the right hole, just so microsoft must be there for a hundred milion autistic schmucks to be even able to get out of bed i nthe morning. 1213095;1437906903;mircea_popescu;what do you think the "human batteries" would have done, were they not "in the matrix" ? 1213096;1437906910;mircea_popescu;built one, right ? 1213097;1437906911;mircea_popescu;right. 1213098;1437907123;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so... 1213099;1437907123;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:30; asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back 1213100;1437907227;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213040 < heh. this is true. the medieval contention was as to the place of earth, not as to its shape. "urbi et orbi", ie, the classical papal dedication, specifically speaks TO THE GLOBE. as a sphere. 1213101;1437907227;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 07:58:50; jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat." 1213102;1437907291;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213042 < bwahahaha mmkay. 1213103;1437907291;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 08:04:10; ben_vulpes: lo, it is mutilated in my outbox 1213104;1437907630;mircea_popescu;" If we apply an interpreter of British understatements and general vagueness in preference to precision, however, I get the impression you're trying very hard to have an opinion about another company, which _does_ have royalties as part of their business model and that you are trying to invalidate that model by implication." 1213105;1437907655;mircea_popescu;for the record, the notion that some twerps may charge "per runtime" is such corrosive nonsense i have no fucking idea who or why would ever defend it. 1213106;1437907691;mircea_popescu;if i buy a knife, I OWN THE KNIFE. and whether i use it fifty times or three, whether i am the most frequent user of the knife or least, whether i make most money from its usage opr least, this is entirely my business. 1213107;1437907696;mircea_popescu;knife maker dun enter into it. 1213108;1437907741;mircea_popescu;trhis is not even a moral issue, or some sort of bullshiot about rights. this is the nudest, rudest self preservation at work. if you wish to force (and by allowing, you force) the knife maker to have opinions of knife usage, you have created the worst sort of socialist centrally commanded economy possible. 1213109;1437907778;mircea_popescu;all that remains is one single entity which starts with the grassy knoll and ends with the satellite, and you will never EVER be able to make this wholly integrated pile of nonsense compete on any sort of footing with actual capitalism 1213110;1437907791;mircea_popescu;the reason being, obviously, the eternal problem of unforeseen utility. 1213111;1437907813;mircea_popescu;i personally knew my father was a retard when i was about thirteen, and he threw a fit insisting i "stop using tools for other purposes than they were made". 1213112;1437907855;mircea_popescu;better exam of idiocy could scarcely be had. and so here we are. no "conditional royalties", no "apple store", no "charge for runtime" and none of that jazz. not because it's wrong, or evil. because it's stupid, and because it enacts an unsustainable model. 1213113;1437907869;mircea_popescu;i don't wanna die in the stupidboat. 1213114;1437907941;mircea_popescu;(and yes this is why tort laws are building socialism. "we sell you the coffee - if you kill yourself with it that's your problem" is the correct position, and what the courts should, and what the b,tmsr~ courts do enforce) 1213115;1437908173;solrodar;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213044 << if you've managed to get clang to work, are you able to check my script? 1213116;1437908173;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 08:11:58; ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/scan-build/ << not much of interest, but i thought that i'd share clang's opinion with derp anzers 1213117;1437908202;*;mircea_popescu apologizes to solrodar for this taking so damned long. 1213118;1437908293;mircea_popescu;anyway, i think the proper thing to do here is pay out. 1213119;1437908298;mircea_popescu;solrodar address ? 1213120;1437908310;solrodar;mircea_popescu: I don't want to pester the developers to deal with something they're not really interested in 1213121;1437908321;mircea_popescu;that's ok, i 1213122;1437908326;mircea_popescu;'ll pester them., 1213123;1437908355;mircea_popescu;specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja. 1213124;1437908439;solrodar;mircea_popescu: thank you 1213125;1437908443;mircea_popescu;soo, addy ? 1213126;1437908445;solrodar;1P1oJaEySqBCXcuyVVgKSyLYF7u2zKXzhW 1213127;1437908693;mircea_popescu;b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help! 1213128;1437908708;mircea_popescu;!rate solrodar 1 callgraphing work 1213129;1437908708;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/16ae239106cd0a66 1213130;1437908733;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.solrodar.1:3745ab57e08eae963b7be27ddddf5bff092c528e3a67dc4da4239834813156ae 1213131;1437908733;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for solrodar with note: callgraphing work 1213132;1437909098;solrodar;!rate mircea_popescu 1 accepted call graph work 1213133;1437909098;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/39f8a36792bec780 1213134;1437909108;solrodar;!rate asciilifeform 1 accepted call graph work 1213135;1437909109;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4d7042fbd744c384 1213136;1437909159;mircea_popescu;actually looking at the ratings i would guess this was actually accepted and i just didn't get the memo. all the better. 1213137;1437909227;solrodar;asciilifeform didn't like the graph layout but was willing to accept it as long as I released details of how it was produced 1213138;1437909235;mircea_popescu;aite. 1213139;1437909248;solrodar;but then he wasn't able/willing to test it himself 1213140;1437909254;mircea_popescu;"Instead of being a guarantor of stability and long-term safety that each of us cannot build or even maintain on our own, policies in the information technology industries have turned into guarantors of instability and short-term profiteering, effectively betting the future on the fun we can have today, a massive lottery where everybody loses, especially the guy who wins $25 million and discovers that everybody else ha 1213141;1437909254;mircea_popescu;s to _continue_ to play (read: lose money to) the lottery for him to get monthly installments." ahaha check it out, naggum gets infinitesimaly close to comprehending the nature of the bezzle. 1213142;1437909269;solrodar;so I ended up two degrees of separation away from the person paying me :P 1213143;1437909283;mircea_popescu;exactly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-07-2015#1212195 1213144;1437909283;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 18:13:48; mircea_popescu: so now owner of palantir goes out and buys himself fiddy million twenty dollar hookers, amirite. 1213145;1437909306;mircea_popescu;solrodar this is how bureaucracies are born. 1213146;1437909329;solrodar;!v assbot:solrodar.rate.mircea_popescu.1:24d08c2cc7479bebd8d5e585a0d284305faa1da8102b5954bc38dcb6ac186f50 1213147;1437909329;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: accepted call graph work 1213148;1437909342;solrodar;!v assbot:solrodar.rate.asciilifeform.1:d36a041a380ad87f0b2260df1326ad3c6b92f187ad1ba29118587390d6d22fc2 1213149;1437909342;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for asciilifeform with note: accepted call graph work 1213150;1437909380;mircea_popescu;"The software industry has turned into a pyramid game because the government valuation strategies for software have penalized longevity. It has absolutely _nothing_ to do with the so-called "rapid pace" of the technological development. It isn't rapid and I'll dispute a claim of general development, too. It's all about marketing old ideas in new and ever more shiny wrappings, and nobody does that better than Microso 1213151;1437909380;mircea_popescu;ft today. Their "innovation" is _purely_ restricted to more shiny wrappings, because that is where the money is in today's market." << ahaha yeah! check it out... 1213152;1437909409;mircea_popescu;why is it that the greatest republic in history uses "antiquated" software from 1990 as in the case of gpg, why are we on irc, etc etc ? because rapid pace of what ? 1213153;1437909442;mircea_popescu;if the past two decades of rapidpace never happened, we'd be in a much better position, not having to waste time trying to figure out how the fuck to even get static binaries made anymore. 1213154;1437909472;mircea_popescu;man has a point. there has been NO inovation worth the mention, and no "HDTV" and stupid ass bootstrap don't count. 1213155;1437910109;mircea_popescu;!up stoon 1213156;1437911879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10846 @ 0.00055103 = 5.9765 BTC [+] 1213157;1437912794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129004 @ 0.00055137 = 71.1289 BTC [+] {2} 1213158;1437914197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104304 @ 0.00054333 = 56.6715 BTC [-] {3} 1213159;1437914868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.00053535 = 54.7663 BTC [-] 1213160;1437915203;shinohai;;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html 1213161;1437915204;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca ) 1213162;1437915204;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1213163;1437919077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00053535 = 8.86 BTC [-] 1213164;1437919443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127256 @ 0.00053512 = 68.0972 BTC [-] {3} 1213165;1437921424;shinohai;https://raymii.org/s/articles/Running_TSS_8_on_the_DEC_PiDP-8_i_and_SIMH.html 1213166;1437921425;assbot;Running TSS/8 on the DEC PiDP-8/i and SIMH - Raymii.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Z3UW ) 1213167;1437921625;chetty;pdp 8, wow blast from the past 1213168;1437921659;mats;;;tslb 1213169;1437921662;gribble;Time since last block: 10 minutes and 13 seconds 1213170;1437922188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00053737 = 32.7796 BTC [+] 1213171;1437922676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.0005609 = 17.9488 BTC [+] {2} 1213172;1437924201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00055288 = 34.7209 BTC [-] 1213173;1437924539;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213160 << aha 1213174;1437924539;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 12:53:23; shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html 1213175;1437924589;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213165 << ugh, 'raspberry'. betcha it can't keep up with an actual pdp8 ~in real time in all cases~ 1213176;1437924589;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 14:37:04; shinohai: https://raymii.org/s/articles/Running_TSS_8_on_the_DEC_PiDP-8_i_and_SIMH.html 1213177;1437924832;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213050 << nonsensical? beg to differ. or do i have to post a binary with priv elevation that actually ~does~ format hdd, to prove this point 1213178;1437924832;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 09:35:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all. 1213179;1437924888;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213080 << ever been to a movie theatre ? was it 720 px wide ? 1213180;1437924888;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 09:59:19; mircea_popescu: nobody wants it, forget it. 720px wide forever. 1213181;1437924935;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ? 1213182;1437924935;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 10:15:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212997 << i vaguely remember people trying to hire someone to summarize all this. it.... never got anywhere. 1213183;1437925000;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213084 << what little is left of the ~actual~ ibm products gives me a kind of 'retro', nostalgic vibe. because - pre-microshit. 1213184;1437925000;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 10:30:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho 1213185;1437925071;asciilifeform;to the point that i'd much rather program for, e.g., s/390, than for pc. 1213186;1437925078;asciilifeform;but - that meatwot is locked up nice&tight. 1213187;1437925200;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213088 >> see also >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1118807 1213188;1437925200;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 10:31:47; mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with. 1213189;1437925200;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 03:07:38; asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy 1213190;1437925247;*;asciilifeform has always found the use of the word 'productivity' standing alone to be batshit - productivity ~at what~ ? 1213191;1437925319;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213098 << in point of fact, it is ~not~ still there. for the same reason that we no longer have the horse supply and maintenance system circa 1880. 1213192;1437925319;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 10:38:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so... 1213193;1437925322;mircea_popescu;nah, it didn't go anywhere 1213194;1437925338;asciilifeform;those factories are not there. and there is no economic mechanism for building them again. 1213195;1437925340;mircea_popescu;and the only reason i'd go to a movie theatre is to get a public blowjob. 1213196;1437925351;mircea_popescu;or i suppose for the same reason i'd visit a viking boat. 1213197;1437925478;shinohai;I haven't been to theatre in forever, but I do plan on going to see Hateful Eight. 1213198;1437925493;mircea_popescu;get a bj. 1213199;1437925506;shinohai;Ok, QT and a BJ 1213200;1437925568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i meant "still there" in a more abstract sense. yes there's not currently hay supplies and horse barns. but if need be - they can be. 1213201;1437925582;mircea_popescu;this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel 1213202;1437925585;mircea_popescu;that IS actually lost. 1213203;1437925656;mircea_popescu;https://www.keyshot.com/forum/index.php?topic=9701.0&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ9QEwA2oVChMI9tDqopL5xgIVhoGQCh0EugHE << heh lulzy. 1213204;1437925658;assbot;Damascus Steel ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2LRFG ) 1213205;1437925662;shinohai;trilema is down? T_T 1213206;1437925761;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1213207;1437925769;mircea_popescu;weekend warriors at work 1213208;1437925940;shinohai;Because DDOS is the greatest tool of todays breed of 1337 haxx0rs. 1213209;1437926005;mircea_popescu;anyway, it'll be back eventually you can read it then 1213210;1437926017;mircea_popescu;can hit refresh in the meanwhile or do something else :D 1213211;1437926063;shinohai;I'm actually following asciilifeform 's excellent tea advice today while doing pogo research. On my second pot already. 1213212;1437926074;shinohai;God bless samovars. 1213213;1437926140;mircea_popescu;we're out of samovars ;/ 1213214;1437926363;shinohai;I inherited one from my grandmother, wouldn't take a bzillion dollars for it. 1213215;1437926519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00055288 = 14.3196 BTC [-] 1213216;1437926539;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213201 << aaactually... just about every time someone tried to restart production of a long-dead tech, it turns out to have substantial elements of 'damascus' in it 1213217;1437926539;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 15:46:22; mircea_popescu: this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel 1213218;1437926557;asciilifeform;in that many of the crucial details died with the folks who set up the lines 1213219;1437926946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65800 @ 0.00053484 = 35.1925 BTC [-] 1213220;1437927678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76270 @ 0.00055153 = 42.0652 BTC [+] 1213221;1437927773;shinohai;http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/porn-star-creates-darth-vader-out-of-sex-toys-obviously/ 1213222;1437927774;assbot;Porn Star Creates Darth Vader Out Of Sex Toys, Obviously ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdLGRi ) 1213223;1437928752;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P71YUXLNveE << taleb on education. 1213224;1437928753;assbot;Nassim Nicholas Taleb interview | Tomorrow 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdNpGi ) 1213225;1437929630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12080 @ 0.00053476 = 6.4599 BTC [-] {2} 1213226;1437929691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92770 @ 0.00053273 = 49.4214 BTC [-] 1213227;1437930293;pete_dushenski;"Barack Obama told Kenyans on his first presidential trip to his father's homeland that there was "no limit to what you can achieve" but said they had to deepen democracy, tackle corruption and end exclusion based on gender or ethnicity." << lulz. 1213228;1437930596;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213050 << not gunna lie. alf's skull and crossbones routine has actively deterred me from tinkering with 0.5.x releases. i'm probably not alone in waiting for the 'official perfect release' either. 1213229;1437930596;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 09:35:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all. 1213230;1437930621;pete_dushenski;so fuck it, ima play with it today ! 1213231;1437930699;asciilifeform;play, but treat with respect, like a loaded pistol 1213232;1437930707;asciilifeform;that is what the skull is intended to say. 1213233;1437930760;pete_dushenski;that may be your intention, but that's not necessarily what comes across 1213234;1437930793;pete_dushenski;mebbe tis just my limited experience with poisons. 1213235;1437930812;asciilifeform;we all keep poisons in household 1213236;1437930813;pete_dushenski;and of course, the dose makes the poison 1213237;1437930876;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: and some of our household poisons are ingested intentionally and measuredly 1213238;1437930899;pete_dushenski;others, how much is ok ? 1213239;1437930924;pete_dushenski;long-term exposure tough to test empirically 1213240;1437931193;shinohai;Every build I have tried so far has been smooth *except* for the pogo, pirate warnings be damned. 1213241;1437931194;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: Contravex got Circle of Life stuck in my head. 1213242;1437931209;pete_dushenski;bahaha nice. 1213243;1437931221;asciilifeform;shinohai: skull is not about 'rough build' 1213244;1437931225;asciilifeform;poison mushrooms taste great. 1213245;1437931846;*;jurov wonders what warning/pictogram would alf put to a code actually controlling a thermonuclear device 1213246;1437931864;asciilifeform;a 'smiley.' 1213247;1437931872;pete_dushenski;'thumbs up' 1213248;1437931893;pete_dushenski;something you'd see on the side of a pepsi can 1213249;1437931950;jurov;beckham? 1213250;1437932209;pete_dushenski;http://18ntu21bopm439dwudgtv4fi.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Pepsi-emojis-12x355ml.png 1213251;1437932211;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2VsfT ) 1213252;1437932318;jurov;lol first time i saw that. they prolly knew it's not suitable in this corner of world 1213253;1437932362;pete_dushenski;it's all over billboards here. 1213254;1437932375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100400 @ 0.00053617 = 53.8315 BTC [+] {3} 1213255;1437932403;trinque;lol @ smiley on the nuke button 1213256;1437932474;jurov;here they just slapped on various football (read: soccer) players and shakira 1213257;1437932475;pete_dushenski;http://b.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/slideshow_large/slideshow/2015/07/3048710-slide-p-1-pepsi-celebrates-world-emoji-day-with-more-emoji.jpg << eg. 1213258;1437932476;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2VSCY ) 1213259;1437932497;trinque;how hip and relevant of them 1213260;1437932553;pete_dushenski;i honestly thought it was just a response to coke's bizarrely succesful 'names' campaign 1213261;1437932563;jurov;dunno, maybe shakira would be suitable pictogram for nuclear device too 1213262;1437932569;pete_dushenski;i didn't get the 'emoji' tie-in till i just tried searching for images a minute ago. 1213263;1437932713;pete_dushenski;http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.everyjoe.com%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F02%2Fshakira-nice-ass.gif << in ascii 1213264;1437932714;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2WgRN ) 1213265;1437932723;pete_dushenski;sorry http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/shakira-nice-ass.gif 1213266;1437932753;pete_dushenski;seems ddg does the same stupid link stealing that goog does... 1213267;1437932778;trinque;gotta snag those outbound clicks 1213268;1437932894;trinque;I bothered to take the first myers-briggs test on your penultimate post 1213269;1437932909;pete_dushenski;and ? 1213270;1437932910;trinque;got ISTP this time, whereas in the past INTP 1213271;1437932926;trinque;was interesting, I hadn't read that profile before, and it seemed to fit rather well 1213272;1437932954;pete_dushenski;hey cool. 1213273;1437932972;mircea_popescu;she does have a great ass. 1213274;1437932982;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxDsEVqnyY << electrified kondom ftw. 1213275;1437932983;assbot;Electric Eel: Digital Condom Prototype - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2WHvr ) 1213276;1437932988;trinque;the difference seemed to address a need I have for picking the damn thing up, breaking it, so on, to understand fully 1213277;1437933061;mircea_popescu;speaking of condoms... for many years, i was using imported magnums. broke like...i dunno, twenty over a decade ? easily 1%. 1213278;1437933083;mircea_popescu;for the past year or so, using local stuff. never broke one. went through 2-300 by now. 1213279;1437933088;mircea_popescu;us products suck omfg. 1213280;1437933113;pete_dushenski;i dun think i ever broke more than one magnum in all my years. 1213281;1437933116;pete_dushenski;mebbe 2 ? 1213282;1437933148;*;asciilifeform happened to read log bottom-up, and did not immediately realize that the 'magnum' was a condom... 1213283;1437933155;trinque;lol 1213284;1437933170;trinque;I find the damn things extremely annoying 1213285;1437933172;shinohai;iirc, weren't condoms formerly made of sheep intestines? 1213286;1437933183;trinque;but maybe this is due to inferior american condom stock 1213287;1437933199;pete_dushenski;shinohai: wasn't that haggis ? 1213288;1437933205;shinohai;nm, found it: http://lambskincondoms.org/ 1213289;1437933206;assbot;Lambskin Condoms FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2X3C8 ) 1213290;1437933213;shinohai;ewww, haggis 1213291;1437933226;asciilifeform;hey it was the original item. 1213292;1437933229;asciilifeform;sausage casing. 1213293;1437933252;asciilifeform;(phun phakt: until well into 20th c, they were re-usable) 1213294;1437933266;mircea_popescu;so were women 1213295;1437933280;asciilifeform;l0l wat 1213296;1437933283;shinohai;Well, guess I'll just rinse this out and stretch it over the end of the broom to dry .... 1213297;1437933285;trinque;http://lambskincondoms.org/#seven << could get all kinds of condoms outta this guy 1213298;1437933286;assbot;Lambskin Condoms FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2X7SF ) 1213299;1437933313;pete_dushenski;"we've forgotten how two women from California ran a firm that pioneered influential practices such as attention to product aesthetics, vertical integration (Vector has its own in-house software developers), and establishing training networks, providing packaged PC solutions, and treating employees like an extended family. Some of what Vector pioneered is now intertwined into the tech industry's DNA. Thanks to V 1213300;1437933313;pete_dushenski;ector, the origins of the personal computer cannot be separated from the story of women in technology. The personal computer has always belonged to all of us." << speaking of women. 1213301;1437933330;mircea_popescu;amusingly, anyone ever orange/lemon/etc juice on condom ? 1213302;1437933382;mircea_popescu;if anyone did the entire "aesthetics" bs it was jobs 1213303;1437933382;shinohai;I haven't. Does the acid do something unique? 1213304;1437933391;mircea_popescu;never heard of this "Vector" thing 1213305;1437933416;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah, it ruins the polymer, you end up with a milky white, brittle thing 1213306;1437933447;asciilifeform;what is the point of this 1213307;1437933449;pete_dushenski;http://www.fastcompany.com/3047428/how-two-bored-1970s-housewives-helped-create-the-pc-industry << source. 1213308;1437933450;assbot;How Two Bored 1970s Housewives Helped Create The PC Industry | Fast Company | Business + Innovation ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Xpsw ) 1213309;1437933452;trinque;every shartup in the valley has someone who thinks he's jobs 1213310;1437933467;shinohai;*shartup* 1213311;1437933470;pete_dushenski;bit o' revisionist history for the logs readers. 1213312;1437933476;trinque;https://b.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/poster/2014/03/3028397-poster-p-1-how-mike-judge-and-alec-berg-captured-silicon-valley.jpg << praise be to mike judge 1213313;1437933477;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Xrkj ) 1213314;1437933546;mircea_popescu;"how X did Y that they never actually did but hey, marketing!" 1213315;1437933569;mircea_popescu;"how obama made sense in english" "how putin doesn't understand how the world works" "how a bored housewife discovered the secret barbers hate" 1213316;1437933671;trinque;looking at where it ended up, I don't really have that much respect for Jobs 1213317;1437933683;trinque;worlds most profitable toy company 1213318;1437933701;trinque;his notable qualities were what, having an eye for art and being "mean"? 1213319;1437933736;mircea_popescu;don't knock "being mean". it alone is enough to succeed in twerpland. 1213320;1437933744;trinque;sort of what I meant by it 1213321;1437933746;trinque;low bar 1213322;1437933796;trinque;imagine if he'd been mean and understood a computer at the same time 1213323;1437933817;mircea_popescu;imagine if your pet chicken spoke klingon 1213324;1437933821;trinque;lol 1213325;1437933826;trinque;can't have both? 1213326;1437933837;trinque;come on, lets get asciilifeform a turtleneck 1213327;1437933861;asciilifeform;waiwat 1213328;1437933894;mircea_popescu;or pancreatic cancer 1213329;1437933921;asciilifeform;laugh, but how many would fellate jobs if he were alive 1213330;1437933956;asciilifeform;his shrivelled corpse is the real superstar - like evita's 1213331;1437933962;chetty;how many dont even care if he is alive or not? 1213332;1437933999;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1213333;1437934030;jurov;maybe he secretly let deep froze himself 1213334;1437934270;trinque;I think he saw a computer as an appliance 1213335;1437934282;trinque;wanted to make sure the buttons on the thing were designed just so 1213336;1437934342;trinque;the utter lack of programmability (automator? lol, fuck off) shows they did not even consider how a thinking person would use the thing 1213337;1437934378;trinque;as an appliance, the thing should obviously have one button labeled "cook", and no thought required from there 1213338;1437934430;trinque;so here I am in 2015 with stumpwm stapled to emacs, blood leaking from the field sutures 1213339;1437934441;mircea_popescu;lol 1213340;1437934445;asciilifeform;'no one has ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the american public' (tm) (r) 1213341;1437934449;trinque;^ 1213342;1437934985;jurov;if only two nerds could agree on best tools and practices...imo other professions have much less fragmentation 1213343;1437934998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102050 @ 0.00054589 = 55.7081 BTC [+] {2} 1213344;1437935102;trinque;jurov: need an environment where the nerd can develop his own tools/practices 1213345;1437935114;trinque;hooks... on goddamn everything 1213346;1437935164;jurov;really, reinvent everything? 1213347;1437935203;trinque;not everything; the layer commonly referred to as the user interface should be a programming interface 1213348;1437935209;trinque;nothing that hasn't been said and done before 1213349;1437935209;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << obligatory 1213350;1437935211;assbot;Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I30CIN ) 1213351;1437935241;trinque;asciilifeform: indeed, you've said this well throughout 1213352;1437935254;jurov;editor and user interface are actually only small part of toolset 1213353;1437935261;trinque;this joke I'm working with currently is the shanty-house I cobbled together out of scrap metal 1213354;1437935262;*;asciilifeform believes that the widespread preoccupation with 'customizable' has more to do with the abysmal state of the art than with anything else 1213355;1437935300;trinque;jurov: an example, I have keybindings for various stages of various workflows 1213356;1437935315;trinque;wrote a shitty tool called summon which can launch things, arrange them, switch between layouts, so on 1213357;1437935321;trinque;I don't wanna arrange my goddamn tools each tie 1213358;1437935322;trinque;*time 1213359;1437935333;trinque;and I will never release summon, because it's a piece of shit 1213360;1437935529;trinque;jurov: lets say I like this particular web site's regex tester, and I want that in a particular spot each time I am editing a regex in emacs 1213361;1437935555;trinque;I want it gone when my cursor leaves, all that 1213362;1437935572;trinque;I'm trumping up an example that demands composable behavior across several programs 1213363;1437935593;trinque;from where I sit currently, I wouldn't even bother 1213364;1437935636;trinque;far from impossible, yet cost is too damn high for me not to lose interest by the time I'm squirting JS at a browser from emacs 1213365;1437935680;trinque;now sum that across my career... how many superior ways of working have I *not* developed because the time involved didn't feel worth it? 1213366;1437935713;mircea_popescu;re that image, i notice i've mostly been using... nano 1213367;1437935880;asciilifeform;http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/14/george_r_r_martin_writes_on_dos_based_wordstar_4_0_software_from_the_1980s.html << and many other pro writerz also 1213368;1437935881;assbot;George R.R. Martin writes on DOS-based WordStar 4.0 software from the 1980s. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I32Vvc ) 1213369;1437935966;asciilifeform;folks who know better ~in their bones~, piss on winblowz. and on 'ubuntu.' etc 1213370;1437936014;mircea_popescu;speaking of ubuntu, 1213371;1437936055;mircea_popescu;am i correct in reading between the lines of hanbot's efforts that in point of fact someone carefully packaged a debian/ubuntu "equivalent" of the gcc package that allows static linking which in point of fact and quite pointedly DOES NOT allow static linking ? 1213372;1437936159;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, static linking was Officially Deprecated 1213373;1437936175;mircea_popescu;that is one thing 1213374;1437936181;asciilifeform;(to the tune of rms senile snoring) 1213375;1437936192;mircea_popescu;but making packages that purport to be equivalent and then miss parts seems a bit cosmic ray-y 1213376;1437936212;mircea_popescu;not like they accidentally forgot to include nigger-super-systems 1213377;1437936217;asciilifeform;in turdmeisterdom, for some years, 'missing deprecated pieces' ~= 'same' 1213378;1437936218;mircea_popescu;or w/e nss stands for 1213379;1437936671;wywialm;hi, I'm sure it has already been somehow settled - what is recommended instead of debian? 1213380;1437936698;mircea_popescu;hardly settled 1213381;1437936992;wywialm;I know you once recommended debian sarge. Would you recommend wheezy now? 1213382;1437937105;mircea_popescu;i just said i used to use it. and nah. i'd still recomend sarge o.O 1213383;1437937127;mircea_popescu;but really, the official ba os is still an open ended question 1213384;1437937197;asciilifeform;not sure if b-a unix can be even in principle other than 'buildroot'. 1213385;1437937205;asciilifeform;(or perhaps a bsd variant thereof) 1213386;1437937231;trinque;openbsd dead yet? I just grew to like it, so I'm sure it must be 1213387;1437937231;wywialm;I one got fascinated by asciilifeform's project inspired by OpenGenera - is it still active? 1213388;1437937242;asciilifeform;i don't have a project inspired by opengenera 1213389;1437937245;wywialm;once* 1213390;1437937252;asciilifeform;nope, never 1213391;1437937321;wywialm;perhaps I misunderstood you, but I read that you plan to design a sane os and (in other blog posts) pointed to opengenera as an example of such system 1213392;1437937364;asciilifeform;it was an example of a variety of ~sane behaviours in an os~ 1213393;1437937367;asciilifeform;very different thing. 1213394;1437937373;wywialm;ah, ok 1213395;1437937407;asciilifeform;sorta like how a courageous man on a movie screen is not the same as actual hero 1213396;1437937462;wywialm;is LoperOS project active then? 1213397;1437937478;asciilifeform;wywialm: active in the sense that i'm not dead yet 1213398;1437937505;wywialm;:) 1213399;1437937560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66265 @ 0.00055396 = 36.7082 BTC [+] {2} 1213400;1437937621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30285 @ 0.00056112 = 16.9935 BTC [+] 1213401;1437937636;trinque;in other news, I think the db project I've described was us inventing a shittier metaobject protocol in SQL 1213402;1437937639;trinque;:p 1213403;1437937667;trinque;as it happens, I have those two books gabriel_laddel recommended on the way 1213404;1437937915;trinque;I'm growing convinced that CLOS plus something intelligently mapping objects into and out of memory does everything I've ever called "database" 1213405;1437938159;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213115 << mircea_popescu: solrodar got my message, knows where i am in derping along to testing his work. 1213406;1437938159;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 10:56:13; solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213044 << if you've managed to get clang to work, are you able to check my script? 1213407;1437938181;ben_vulpes;in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213123 1213408;1437938181;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 10:59:15; mircea_popescu: specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja. 1213409;1437938356;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 1213410;1437938356;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00053273 / 0.00055366 / 0.00057333 (4868234 shares, 2,695.38 BTC), 7D: 0.00050102 / 0.00054492 / 0.00060248 (28347148 shares, 15,446.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00038622 / 0.00052683 / 0.00060248 (105094116 shares, 55,367.24 BTC) 1213411;1437938589;trinque;ben_vulpes: trigger warning https://medium.com/relevant-stories/rel-chapter-1-907ff616bf80 1213412;1437938590;assbot;How we turned JSON into a full programming language — relevant stories — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1LK9t8q ) 1213413;1437938622;trinque;and isn't this exactly what happens any time someone tries to make a "declarative" language 1213414;1437938638;ben_vulpes;p-plz no trigger 1213415;1437938817;trinque;https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/fit/c/410/410/0*U9J3xqWnqSBO5ozP.jpg << the chucklefuck responsible 1213416;1437938819;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKa7CW ) 1213417;1437939878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38750 @ 0.00055589 = 21.5407 BTC [-] 1213418;1437940183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134850 @ 0.00055526 = 74.8768 BTC [-] {2} 1213419;1437941281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167640 @ 0.00055316 = 92.7317 BTC [-] {3} 1213420;1437943020;mats;sweet bowtie 1213421;1437943116;punkman;http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/p0f3/ 1213422;1437943117;assbot;p0f v3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1geeg4R ) 1213423;1437943402;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1213424;1437943404;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 292.49, Best ask: 292.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 292.5, 24 hour volume: 9425.9633864, 24 hour low: 287.85, 24 hour high: 294.57, 24 hour vwap: None 1213425;1437944636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49313 @ 0.00056727 = 27.9738 BTC [+] {2} 1213426;1437944880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121487 @ 0.00057014 = 69.2646 BTC [+] {4} 1213427;1437947625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147550 @ 0.00057271 = 84.5034 BTC [+] {2} 1213428;1437947869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158457 @ 0.00055631 = 88.1512 BTC [-] {3} 1213429;1437947879;ben_vulpes;solrodar, asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand. 1213430;1437947881;assbot;Index of /bitcoin/callgraph/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXRYVd ) 1213431;1437947956;*;ben_vulpes off romping puppy 1213432;1437948127;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213404 1213433;1437948127;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 19:11:55; trinque: I'm growing convinced that CLOS plus something intelligently mapping objects into and out of memory does everything I've ever called "database" 1213434;1437948164;ben_vulpes;trinque: "but single host isn't web-scale!" 1213435;1437948378;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: trinque: one *could* do some tests on manardb to see if this strategy it is speedy enough for the problems you've got 1213436;1437948461;gabriel_laddel;I've a list of programmers included in the "info" tab of the program I wrote for work. The idea being that if I"m not around and something goes wrong, they contact one of these people. Let me know if you want to be on that list. 1213437;1437948462;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: 1213438;1437948481;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212843 << lol 1213439;1437948481;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago 1213440;1437948493;ben_vulpes;http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/kendra-sunderland-oregon-state-library-girl/ 1213441;1437948495;assbot;The surprisingly sad saga of the Oregon State Library Girl ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsjEeG ) 1213442;1437948511;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i can't resist asking - why would anybody want to be on that list for free ?? 1213443;1437948531;ben_vulpes;;;ticker 1213444;1437948532;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 292.74, Best ask: 292.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 292.74, 24 hour volume: 9212.27838714, 24 hour low: 287.92, 24 hour high: 294.57, 24 hour vwap: None 1213445;1437948541;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: potential CL work? 1213446;1437948554;ben_vulpes;so long as they cough up ~.6 btc/hr, sure. 1213447;1437948561;gabriel_laddel;nah, it's bezzle 1213448;1437948562;asciilifeform;^ 1213449;1437948582;ben_vulpes;or the bezzlequivalent. i ain't picky - food credits is food credits. 1213450;1437948588;gabriel_laddel;kk, adding 1213451;1437948607;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: you specifically or your dev shop? 1213452;1437948610;ben_vulpes;"call this guy who knows thing about my codebase but probably can handle it" 1213453;1437948613;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ? 1213454;1437948626;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: wot 1213455;1437948640;ben_vulpes;who are they to trust but him? 1213456;1437948663;gabriel_laddel;I'm mentioning this because people say it's so goddamn hard to get CL work, which I have not found to be the case. 1213457;1437948705;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: i'd probably bite it off myself, simply because there isn't much by way of CL horsepower around the shop. 1213458;1437948730;ben_vulpes;that said, give me six hours and i can figure out whatever's in flight and load it into someone else's head. 1213459;1437948746;ben_vulpes;good way to minimize single points of failure. 1213460;1437948750;*;asciilifeform is aware of folks who hire for 'we don't care what you write it in', but shudders at the thought of 'cl work' - it could only result from an astonishingly gnarly pre-existing codebase 1213461;1437948777;gabriel_laddel;ummm 1213462;1437948780;ben_vulpes;it's the 'work' part you really object to, let's be honest here. 1213463;1437948791;asciilifeform;no shit 1213464;1437948812;ben_vulpes;cranks need turning, no avoiding that. 1213465;1437948840;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: did you see the libuv folks are colonizing cl? 1213466;1437948847;asciilifeform;nope 1213467;1437948851;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: yeah 1213468;1437948862;ben_vulpes;"cl-async" 1213469;1437948871;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: No one ever gets called to extend a program's feature-set? Nonsense. 1213470;1437948888;asciilifeform;derps can 'colonize cl' in precisely the same way redditards colonize bitcoin. 1213471;1437948889;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I don't know anything aobut libuv and as such didn't comment. 1213472;1437948915;ben_vulpes;simply smells of node to me. 1213473;1437948916;asciilifeform;which is to say, from their point of view, they will always succeed. 1213474;1437948994;asciilifeform; cranks need turning, no avoiding that. << wtf is the point of a computer if not to avoid this ? 1213475;1437949004;ben_vulpes;the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl. 1213476;1437949023;asciilifeform;l0l ! 1213477;1437949024;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: well the cranks that turn the cranks need to be written, and then the machine that turns the meta-cranks built. 1213478;1437949033;asciilifeform;blocks repl, as in, runs single-threaded ?! 1213479;1437949056;ben_vulpes;(as:with-event-loop (as:await (sleep 3))) will indeed block. 1213480;1437949062;asciilifeform;what are they using for a runtime?! xlisp under msdos ?!! 1213481;1437949092;ben_vulpes;i suspect that they're not using emacs, but rather doing the "compile, run" thing. 1213482;1437949099;asciilifeform;even then 1213483;1437949110;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1213484;1437949113;asciilifeform;wtf is the point? 1213485;1437949138;ben_vulpes;looks like braindamage, smells like braindamage, can't say as i care to dig further into it when there are food credits to scrape up elsewhere and the scraping to automate. 1213486;1437949149;*;asciilifeform wonders why these folks took cl from the shelf, rather than something more 'komyoonitiful' 1213487;1437949162;ben_vulpes;heh like the "modern cl" thinger? 1213488;1437949169;asciilifeform;any number of 1213489;1437949242;asciilifeform;at any rate, there is a lesson: the difference between ending up like this in cl and in, e.g., python, is sorta like the difference between being covered in own shit in civilian life, vs. inside an oubliette 1213490;1437949259;asciilifeform;in the latter cases, respectively, it is an expected thing. 1213491;1437949277;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213475 << bahahahaa 1213492;1437949277;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 22:16:44; ben_vulpes: the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl. 1213493;1437949311;gabriel_laddel;I can't wait for the inevitable blog post about how "CL isn't really all that good" and "the language has serious problems and a lack of tooling" 1213494;1437949359;asciilifeform;iirc yegge already wrote that one 1213495;1437949396;*;ben_vulpes really off with dog now 1213496;1437949441;gabriel_laddel;Yep. Him and many others. One rubyist had a particularly entertaining one where he complained about Naggum (who had already passed) being "toxic for the community". 1213497;1437949455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.00057318 = 28.4584 BTC [+] {2} 1213498;1437949474;asciilifeform;in precisely the same way as mircea_popescu 'is toxic' to the derpunity 1213499;1437949495;ben_vulpes;(i happen to enjoy the amount of study that writing cl takes) 1213500;1437949516;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: what, like trolling through CLHS? 1213501;1437949532;ben_vulpes;and cltl2 1213502;1437949713;gabriel_laddel;"... a magnificent job. I have never seen a language description that is more complete or more precise, yet each chapter is throughly enjoyable and subtly witty. The book is absolutely indispensable for all serious LISP students and users; its high quality is a major reason why Common LISP is *the* LISP of the future" - Patrick Henry Winston 1213503;1437949723;gabriel_laddel;(from the back of cltl2) 1213504;1437950241;shinohai;I don't see mp as "toxic", he merely destroys the illusions people have of themselves and leaves them standing with the truth of what they are. 1213505;1437950366;gabriel_laddel;shinohai: in derpspeak, this is "toxic" 1213506;1437950439;shinohai;Oh I know. Anything that measure up to the r/bitcoin status quo is automatically "trolling" or "toxic to the community". 1213507;1437950453;shinohai;*doesn't 1213508;1437950683;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Compare: Symbolics demo reel 1989 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4HXPJtym2Q ) to Pixar demo reel 1988 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__3aAOBWW60 ) and note Symbolics wasn't a graphics company. 1213509;1437950684;assbot;SYMBOLICS GRAPHICS DIVISION DEMO REEL 1989 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsmBMf ) 1213510;1437950685;assbot;Pixar Sales Demo Reel from 1988 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsmBMj ) 1213511;1437950919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92654 @ 0.00057308 = 53.0982 BTC [-] 1213512;1437951174;punkman;https://2ton.com.au/rwasa/ 1213513;1437951176;assbot;rwasa | 2 Ton Digital ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mvf9TU ) 1213514;1437952688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14592 @ 0.00054821 = 7.9995 BTC [-] 1213515;1437952932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43176 @ 0.00055622 = 24.0154 BTC [+] {2} 1213516;1437953664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33877 @ 0.00053268 = 18.0456 BTC [-] {2} 1213517;1437954274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69157 @ 0.00053265 = 36.8365 BTC [-] 1213518;1437956128;mats;http://dslab.epfl.ch/proj/cpi 1213519;1437956130;assbot;Code-Pointer Integrity - Dependable Systems Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoxYpL ) 1213520;1437958178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89750 @ 0.00055012 = 49.3733 BTC [+] 1213521;1437958544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127122 @ 0.00055012 = 69.9324 BTC [+] 1213522;1437960026;BingoBoingo;http://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-openssh-bug-that-wasnt.html 1213523;1437960027;assbot;That grumpy BSD guy: The OpenSSH Bug That Wasn't ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHWrLQ ) 1213524;1437960444;mircea_popescu;pam sucks eh ? mkay. 1213525;1437960449;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, ever got eulora to run ? 1213526;1437960484;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel youtube decided to do some "upgrade" or other and as a result it no longer works. sorry. 1213527;1437960484;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1213528;1437960538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall hearing that they were finally abolishing 'flash' there 1213529;1437960548;mircea_popescu;i was not using flash. 1213530;1437960551;BingoBoingo;Not yet. Now that I've got the right Crystal Space got to take the time to compile it. Still, Nvidia's CS toolkit doesn't exist on this platform so that should be fun to bang the head against until crystalspace 2.2 removes that dependency 1213531;1437960558;mircea_popescu;i was using html5. which they never really supported because ads. 1213532;1437960568;mircea_popescu;i guess they finally squeezed it out. 1213533;1437960759;mircea_popescu;punkman does it actually do what it claims or does it merely claim stuff it does ? 1213534;1437960805;mircea_popescu;so /me goes to investigate this kingdom of loathing mud thingee. wikipedia claims 150k players playing regularly. /me has never seen > 500 players logged in. /me is confused. 1213535;1437960832;*;asciilifeform briefly flipped through the 'rwasa' published code, certain of finding that it links openssl, but - it told the truth; did not do so; has own rsa. can't say much else 1213536;1437960884;asciilifeform;i could be mistaken. (because i also did not find where the hell it does it) 1213537;1437960924;asciilifeform;unfortunately i do not at the moment have the time for a closer look, currently boiling in a cauldron of wurk 1213538;1437960986;mircea_popescu; gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ? << maybe would just like to have it. 1213539;1437961058;mircea_popescu; which is to say, from their point of view, they will always succeed. << ahaha apt. 1213540;1437961081;mircea_popescu;"from its own point of view, a bug always conquers all boots." 1213541;1437961644;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln598igfTB1qa258ao1_1280.jpg 1213542;1437961645;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJ66IN ) 1213543;1437961884;mircea_popescu;4. Just show me how it works, OK? 1213544;1437961885;mircea_popescu;Not all capabilities of p0f can be showcased here, and as noted, this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints. That said, here's the most recent positive match p0f has for your IP: 1213545;1437961885;mircea_popescu;*** Looks like p0f is down for maintenance, sorry. Check back later. *** 1213546;1437961886;mircea_popescu;meh ok. 1213547;1437961899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00055012 = 45.77 BTC [+] 1213548;1437961994;punkman;asciilifeform: TLS stuff is in that HeavyThing library 1213549;1437962009;asciilifeform;punkman: it was the only published src iirc 1213550;1437962010;punkman;mircea_popescu: looks credible, haven't tried it yet though 1213551;1437962189;mircea_popescu;i dunno, to me it looks perfectly not credible, but then again i'm a toxic asshole. 1213552;1437962222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: curious, what part of it sets off your sc4mz0r-detector 1213553;1437962234;mircea_popescu;be that as it may, "this is a magical brothel where the girls extend ectoplasm cunts and satisfactorily reach your very soul. wanna see it in action ? sure, here : ***not working atm***". 1213554;1437962270;asciilifeform;from here it looks like just another 'we did X but in asm!' projects 1213555;1437962277;asciilifeform;used to be a fairly common thing 1213556;1437962295;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the part where they make wildly improbable claims (ex : purely passive traffic fingerprinting mechanisms to identify the players behind any incidental TCP/IP communications (often as little as a single normal SYN) without interfering in any way.) but then mishmashingly backtrack on it (this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints) and so on 1213557;1437962300;asciilifeform;wai wai 1213558;1437962302;mircea_popescu;reads exactly like a sophomore paper to me 1213559;1437962303;asciilifeform;wrong link 1213560;1437962312;asciilifeform;i was describing the web server in asm item 1213561;1437962318;punkman;mircea_popescu: oh I meant rwasa looks credible 1213562;1437962334;mircea_popescu;i was describing the "especially in settings where NMap probes are blocked, too slow, unreliable" bs. 1213563;1437962341;mircea_popescu;really, they beat nmap, check em out. 1213564;1437962375;asciilifeform;as for that one, you could, conceivably, look at sequence numbers and learn when a severely broken tcp/ip stack is in use 1213565;1437962379;asciilifeform;but this is '90 state of the art 1213566;1437962396;mircea_popescu;but if you did that for any period of time you'd know better than to make the sort of promises htey make. 1213567;1437962401;asciilifeform;aha 1213568;1437962405;mircea_popescu;ie, you could just as well NOT be able to identify anything 1213569;1437962406;asciilifeform;classic academitardation. 1213570;1437962438;mircea_popescu;the other thing i have nfi idea. 1213571;1437962454;mircea_popescu;i'm not advanced enough to have an opinion. 1213572;1437962571;punkman;"For TCP/IP, the tool fingerprints the client-originating SYN packet and the first SYN+ACK response from the server, paying attention to factors such as the ordering of TCP options, the relation between maximum segment size and window size, the progression of TCP timestamps, and the state of about a dozen possible implementation quirks (e.g. non-zero values in "must be zero" fields)." 1213573;1437962577;punkman;that looks interesting to me 1213574;1437962589;mircea_popescu;it may well be interesting. 1213575;1437963202;punkman;http://www.jamiembrown.com/blog/one-in-every-600-websites-has-git-exposed/ 1213576;1437963203;assbot;One in every 600 websites has .git exposed | Jamie's OC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJ9raL ) 1213577;1437963241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70724 @ 0.00055183 = 39.0276 BTC [+] {2} 1213578;1437963302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21776 @ 0.0005552 = 12.09 BTC [+] 1213579;1437963561;punkman;http://www.ekathimerini.com/199905/article/ekathimerini/news/no-grounds-for-treason-in-varoufakis-suit-says-lawyer 1213580;1437963561;assbot;‘No grounds for treason’ in Varoufakis suit, says lawyer | News | ekathimerini.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJa5oE ) 1213581;1437963654;mircea_popescu;lmao 1213582;1437963677;mircea_popescu;put the state in danger of not sucking the eucock eugerly enough ? 1213583;1437963686;mircea_popescu;clearly treason :D 1213584;1437963701;mircea_popescu;so funny this shit. these derps are still sitting on that referendum vote right ? 1213585;1437963840;punkman;Tsipras had to "interpret" it because question made no sense 1213586;1437963916;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/greece-yanis-varoufakis-secret-plan-raid-banks-drachma-return 1213587;1437963917;assbot;Greece rocked by reports of secret plan to raid banks for drachma return | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJaNlU ) 1213588;1437963983;mircea_popescu;lol 1213589;1437963994;punkman;some flavor of provokatsiya 1213590;1437964423;scoopbot_revived;The previous event, the next event, the forever event. http://trilema.com/2015/the-previous-event-the-next-event-the-forever-event/ 1213591;1437964543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! are those 'action' logs auto-generated ? 1213592;1437964560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and, does this go both ways? i.e. can one play 'eulora' as a text mud ?! 1213593;1437964572;mircea_popescu;one should be able to, yes. 1213594;1437964576;mircea_popescu;!s eulora emacs 1213595;1437964576;assbot;1 results for 'eulora emacs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eulora+emacs 1213596;1437964600;mircea_popescu;and no, they're me impromptu. 1213597;1437964718;*;Adlai might be interested in making an emacs client 1213598;1437964766;*;Adlai generally avoids gooey games 1213599;1437964772;mircea_popescu;what's gooey ? 1213600;1437964780;Adlai;a pun :) 1213601;1437964793;mircea_popescu;anyway, diana_coman has been doing some work on making a client api, might be useful stepping stone. 1213602;1437964797;mircea_popescu;prolly be released this week, 1213603;1437964830;*;Adlai still busy elsewhere atm 1213604;1437964884;mircea_popescu;afaik this would be the first ever case of a 3d mmorpg with a text client 1213605;1437964963;mircea_popescu;considering vlc has had an ascii art rendering plugin for many years now, there's really no limit to how epic that client could end up 1213606;1437965063;mircea_popescu;and jurov's working on an irc integration thingee, which i intend to upgrade to gossipd once that's done, and generally... 1213607;1437965067;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1213608;1437965075;mircea_popescu;euloraos. 1213609;1437965733;mircea_popescu;"other girl won". http://40.media.tumblr.com/abf72051d94fb60d323464b46f15ca29/tumblr_n2fuvwy4i91spdyhpo1_1280.jpg 1213610;1437965734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5M4Sw ) 1213611;1437966215;mats;does WoW count as a '3d mmorpg'? I've seen a few (unsanctioned) chat clients for it 1213612;1437966722;mats;https://www.nccgroup.trust/us/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blog/2009/july/if-youre-typing-the-letters-a-e-s-into-your-code-youre-doing-it-wrong/ 1213613;1437966723;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5Ohxk ) 1213614;1437967250;asciilifeform;https://www.nccgroup.trust/uk/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blogs/2014/october/analysis-of-the-linux-backdoor-used-in-freenode-irc-network-compromise << oldie, from same 1213615;1437967251;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvlI6u ) 1213616;1437967384;asciilifeform;'GPG for data at rest. TLS for data in motion. You can also use Guttmans cryptlib, which has a sane API. Or Google Keyczar. They both have really simple interfaces, and they try to make it hard to do the wrong thing.' << l0l!! 1213617;1437967411;phf;"wisdom" 1213618;1437967414;mircea_popescu;mats chat client not really what this is tho. and besides, "unsanctioned" 1213619;1437967418;asciilifeform;whizzdum 1213620;1437967442;mircea_popescu;wtf is "Data at rest" 1213621;1437967446;mircea_popescu;"clean rectum" ? 1213622;1437967454;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nsa phrase 1213623;1437967458;mats;tapes? 1213624;1437967467;asciilifeform;usg parlance for 'what you have to shove in the safe at the end of a shift' 1213625;1437967504;mircea_popescu;curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure 1213626;1437967504;asciilifeform;such as, yes, tapes. 1213627;1437967508;mircea_popescu;can has off sane webhost kthx 1213628;1437967515;mircea_popescu;wtf do ARTICLES need https for anyway 1213629;1437967522;asciilifeform;ask cryptome 1213630;1437967534;asciilifeform;i still fail to grasp. 1213631;1437967541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doesn't that technically put them in motion ? 1213632;1437967560;mircea_popescu;or is this the side of the bureaucracy that's not a stickler for detail. 1213633;1437967565;asciilifeform;take it up with herr goebbels or whoever is in charge of this claptrap 1213634;1437967746;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, lightest blocks in ages 1213635;1437967755;mircea_popescu;heh. 1213636;1437967783;mircea_popescu;fucking children i swear. while there's hope to get the car, they absolutely need the car for continued existence and that school project. 1213637;1437967799;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3eprag/this_little_kit_has_everything_i_need_to_run_a << speaking of 1213638;1437967801;assbot;This little kit has everything I need to run a full node. Ordered it on purse.io yesterday, got it today. Total $89.34 (saved 22%!) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5Qwkh ) 1213639;1437967801;mircea_popescu;once the noncargetting is settle, the existence continues somehow, no longer dependant on the cargetting. 1213640;1437967819;mircea_popescu;lmao mmmkay. 1213641;1437967828;mircea_popescu;so the pogos are what, 95% saved, never will be on reddit ? 1213642;1437967829;asciilifeform;'Which way is your vote going?' 'I'm in favor of bigger blocks. I guess that 128GB drive won't last me very long :)' << quoted for 1213643;1437967877;asciilifeform;why would they be on reddit? after all, they aren't sold on pigfuck.io, and aren't particularly interested to mega-blox folk 1213644;1437967916;mircea_popescu;and there's no saving of the "pay more for shit" sort. 1213645;1437967937;mircea_popescu;"here's my rusted usb cable i'm so happy to have saved on" 1213646;1437967945;asciilifeform;i saw that, 1213647;1437967952;asciilifeform;and couldn't help but think of the soviet staples 1213648;1437967984;asciilifeform;(supposedly, more than one nato agent outed by otherwise perfect forgeries of documents where stapes failed to rust) 1213649;1437968067;mircea_popescu;aha 1213650;1437968097;mircea_popescu;because they made them out of antimony like sane people, not out of low steel like crazy people. 1213651;1437968232;asciilifeform;stainless (Fe, Cr) 1213652;1437968645;mats;I vaguely remember someone mentioning experimenting with pogo and hybrid hard drive 1213653;1437968662;mats;was that you, jurov, and if so how did that go 1213654;1437969463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73146 @ 0.0005552 = 40.6107 BTC [+] 1213655;1437969495;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/qxAAy3e.png 1213656;1437969496;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DI9uS5 ) 1213657;1437971598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25040 @ 0.00053265 = 13.3376 BTC [-] 1213658;1437976495;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell mircea_popescu https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KATnVoRWxCb05PTEE/view?usp=sharing << Symbolics https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bznn0f9Mk3KAODdIREhqMkcyM28/view?usp=sharing << Pixar 1213659;1437976496;assbot;SYMBOLICS GRAPHICS DIVISION DEMO REEL 1989-V4HXPJtym2Q.mp4 - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13l8O ) 1213660;1437976497;assbot;pixar-sales-demo-reel-1988.mp4 - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1D13nxv ) 1213661;1437976497;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1213662;1437976844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195600 @ 0.00052818 = 103.312 BTC [-] {2} 1213663;1437976905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45250 @ 0.00052734 = 23.8621 BTC [-] 1213664;1437978064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35620 @ 0.00052868 = 18.8316 BTC [+] 1213665;1437979467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103023 @ 0.00055736 = 57.4209 BTC [+] {2} 1213666;1437981297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155940 @ 0.00056552 = 88.1872 BTC [+] {4} 1213667;1437982475;jurov;mats: was just an idea, it never worked out price-wise. Same for using a small SSD designated as cache. 1213668;1437982630;jurov;Perhaps if there was appropriately priced 8-32 GB SD card or USB dongle known to be fast nad not wear out quickly 1213669;1437982833;jurov;winblows readyboost was supposed to use them in such capacity, dunno how that ended up 1213670;1437985811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77800 @ 0.00057231 = 44.5257 BTC [+] 1213671;1437986787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138900 @ 0.00056343 = 78.2604 BTC [-] {2} 1213672;1437986846;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-27/woman-who-fell-pregnant-to-12yo-boy-jailed-for-sexual-abuse/6651570 what a player, banging milfs at 12, dont even thinking i was choking the turkey at that age 1213673;1437986846;assbot;Melbourne woman who fell pregnant to 12yo boy jailed for sexual abuse - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1gYS7HO ) 1213674;1437987275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105925 @ 0.00055176 = 58.4452 BTC [-] 1213675;1437989853;chetty;https://ca.news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-combats-stench-urine-pee-repellant-paint-202003524.html 1213676;1437989854;assbot;San Francisco combats the stench of urine with pee-repellant paint - Yahoo News Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1gfyhIy ) 1213677;1437991894;davout;BingoBoingo: pretty hilarious, maybe fake though, personally there's no way I'd fly an out-of-limits airplane 1213678;1437992480;punkman;http://masterherald.com/steam-hit-by-major-security-breach-many-accounts-hacked/23239/ 1213679;1437992482;assbot;Steam Hit by Major Security Breach, Many Accounts Hacked | Master Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzi3ZG ) 1213680;1437992745;punkman;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/27/us-markets-china-stocks-idUSKCN0Q10KE20150727 1213681;1437992746;assbot;China stocks tumble, suffer biggest one-day loss in eight years| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5fQzW ) 1213682;1437992750;punkman;http://www.extremetech.com/computing/210758-qualcomm-will-lay-off-15-of-its-workforce-succumbs-to-cult-of-shareholder-value 1213683;1437992751;assbot;Qualcomm will lay off 15% of its workforce, succumbs to cult of ‘shareholder value’ | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5fTvL ) 1213684;1437995959;Naphex;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3er616/im_the_developer_of_bitcoin_adult_streaming/?ref=share&ref_source=link 1213685;1437995960;assbot;I'm the developer of Bitcoin Adult Streaming service XOtika.TV AMA! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIKrOZ ) 1213686;1437999365;solrodar;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213429 << the SVG file you generated renders fine for me in both Inkscape 0.48 and Chrome 43 1213687;1437999365;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 21:57:59; ben_vulpes: solrodar, asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand. 1213688;1437999434;solrodar;although Chrome seems to have a minimum font size causing the labels to overflow the boxes when zoomed out too far 1213689;1437999521;solrodar;https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=232332 1213690;1437999522;assbot;Issue 232332 - chromium - minium font-size is applied to SVG text (but it shouldn't) - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzzklv ) 1213691;1438000361;mircea_popescu;"You failed to recognise that your feelings for the boy were completely inappropriate," the judge said. 1213692;1438000362;mircea_popescu;derp. 1213693;1438000366;mircea_popescu;how does this work ? 1213694;1438000444;mircea_popescu;what exactly are these "inappropriate" feelings ? this'll have to be explained, conceptually, so far it's not unlike "colored scent" or something. 1213695;1438000526;Naphex;One of the first questions in the xotika AMA: Please detail your association with the scammer Mircea Popescu. 1213696;1438000529;Naphex;:)) 1213697;1438000600;mircea_popescu;link ? 1213698;1438000611;Naphex;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3er616/im_the_developer_of_bitcoin_adult_streaming/cthmlqs 1213699;1438000613;assbot;goldcakes comments on I'm the developer of Bitcoin Adult Streaming service XOtika.TV AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzCbuL ) 1213700;1438000648;mircea_popescu;oh i see, it's us politico hour over there. "the transvestite ronald reagan and the scammer mircea popescu. hurrr" 1213701;1438000781;mircea_popescu;oh yeah, and "cult of shareholder value" http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213682 1213702;1438000781;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 10:25:50; punkman: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/210758-qualcomm-will-lay-off-15-of-its-workforce-succumbs-to-cult-of-shareholder-value 1213703;1438000799;Naphex;mircea_popescu: some dude on facebook was "I know the creator of this site Mircea Popescu" :)) 1213704;1438000805;mircea_popescu;the world will be a very lulzy place once the self-aware 500 lbs women in tech finally take over 1213705;1438000829;mircea_popescu;Naphex i'm seriously contemplating this thing where you must prove you're under 30 bmi to be allowed to type text on the internet. 1213706;1438000835;mircea_popescu;i think all this may well be related. 1213707;1438000843;Naphex;:)) 1213708;1438000871;shinohai;wait ... xotika.tv is *your* project mircea_popescu ? 1213709;1438000896;mircea_popescu;nah, his. 1213710;1438000938;Naphex;shinohai: nah but there is this thing going about that every person on #bitcoin-assets is just MP :) 1213711;1438000974;shinohai;lol. "I AM SPARTACUS!!!!!" 1213712;1438000980;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213686 << does not load in opera, loads fine in gimp, BUT as a 15000 x 17044 px file, taking like 1gb of ram and half a minute toi render on a reasonably powerful box. that might explain it. 1213713;1438000980;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 12:16:05; solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213429 << the SVG file you generated renders fine for me in both Inkscape 0.48 and Chrome 43 1213714;1438001002;mircea_popescu;!s from:asciilifeform bourbaki 1213715;1438001003;assbot;12 results for 'from:asciilifeform bourbaki' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+bourbaki 1213716;1438001011;punkman;tried random bmi calculator, says 29.35. that's cutting it close 1213717;1438001042;mircea_popescu;time to hit the girls/gym/greens eh punkman ? 1213718;1438001049;mircea_popescu;btw, the gimp render of that svg looks pretty nifty. 1213719;1438001055;mircea_popescu;recommended for to try. 1213720;1438001075;punkman;well I've always been a little heavyset, but yeah could definitely lose 10kg 1213721;1438001083;shinohai;;;later tell trinque Don't ruin my jester troll B 1213722;1438001083;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1213723;1438001182;mircea_popescu;punkman anyway, the driver of that notion is this particular psychosis exhibited by fat-people-on-the-internet where they create an alt-reality in which they're not really fat. 1213724;1438001207;mircea_popescu;i suspect it may well be the driver of all sorts of ultimately identical behaviours, such as redditards pretending they're not really pointless, etc. 1213725;1438001294;mats;http://reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Q10KE20150727 1213726;1438001295;assbot;Chinese shares tumble 8.5 percent in biggest one-day drop since 2007 | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzDObT ) 1213727;1438001330;mats;o wait repost 1213728;1438001425;punkman;"Talks over a third bail-out programme for Greece have been delayed because the country's international creditors have been unable to find secure premises in Athens. " 1213729;1438001479;mircea_popescu;lol the bs these twerps come up with 1213730;1438001538;mircea_popescu;are they simply sending the whole content of greece to work at cutting rock in africa ? nah. are they just sending dump trucks of money over ? nah. so what are they doing then ? why, the 14 yo thing : they're being really snide about the whole thing for a while. 1213731;1438001543;punkman;well clearly they should build Troika a palace 1213732;1438001551;mircea_popescu;it's always refreshing to know a bunch of refugees from lord of the flies are in charge. 1213733;1438001596;mircea_popescu;"hey, if you don't like it - mp would have sent you to cut rock for a generation1!11" 1213734;1438001626;punkman;"Euro zone countries no longer question whether to restructure Greece's debt, but rather what would be the best way to do it, ECB Executive Board member Benoit Coeure said" 1213735;1438001671;mircea_popescu;i'm curious what contortion of the definition of "best" allows for that best to not be "kicking them out of the eurozone" 1213736;1438001681;shinohai;The Ethereum scammers are out in full force on r/cryptocurrency today....4 1213737;1438001709;mircea_popescu;haha that thing still pretending ? how long has it been neobee'd, three months ? 1213738;1438001724;shinohai;Also, these lulz: http://tpbit.blogspot.ca/2015/07/fighting-bitcoin-theft-law-enforcement.html 1213739;1438001725;assbot;ThePiachu's Bitcoin Blog: Fighting Bitcoin theft - law enforcement block explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzERse ) 1213740;1438001774;mircea_popescu;lmaook. 1213741;1438001779;mircea_popescu;is this the reddit derp or someone else ? 1213742;1438001796;shinohai;Yup, same reddit Piachu 1213743;1438001833;mircea_popescu;this is the one from dooglus' site that took her pic with a wooden something up her snatch right ? 1213744;1438001855;shinohai;lol, wut? 1213745;1438001873;*;shinohai must locate this .... 1213746;1438001917;mircea_popescu;i think i might have published the log at the time. mebbe coupla years ago, just when the site was getting started an' i invested 1213747;1438001997;kakobrekla;https://bitbet.us/media/images/ads/just-dice.jpg 1213748;1438001997;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1SV95 ) 1213749;1438002022;shinohai;ty kakobrekla you made my Monday 1213750;1438002040;kakobrekla;yw 1213751;1438002049;punkman;well shit, they lowered travel allowance to 2k eur, down from 10k 1213752;1438002063;mircea_popescu;what is "travel allowance" 1213753;1438002066;shinohai;Sharpies in butthole I have seen, but wooden spoon in snatch is new to me. 1213754;1438002076;mircea_popescu;oh yeah that's it. 1213755;1438002079;punkman;cash when traveling 1213756;1438002097;mircea_popescu;... 1213757;1438002244;shinohai;I'd like to get paid to troll here, but then I'd get a few scummy doge shavings that I have no idea what to do with: http://www.bitvoat.com/ 1213758;1438002246;assbot;BitVoat - UpVoat with Crypto! BitVoat ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1TBv7 ) 1213759;1438002265;chetty; well shit, they lowered travel allowance to 2k eur, down from 10k// soon you will not be allowed to have cash 1213760;1438002819;mircea_popescu;punkman go to florina or something and drive over the border 20-30 times a day eh. 1213761;1438002856;mircea_popescu;or what's that city right next to edirne 1213762;1438002863;punkman;Plovdiv is nice 1213763;1438003064;punkman;but yeah couple girls and a car might work 1213764;1438003197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52041 @ 0.00057231 = 29.7836 BTC [+] 1213765;1438003246;mircea_popescu;you got teh idea. 1213766;1438003399;solrodar;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213712 << Also works for me in Firefox 39 and IE 9. but Gimp 2.8.4 scatters the text letter-by-letter across the page in an amusing fashion 1213767;1438003399;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 12:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213686 << does not load in opera, loads fine in gimp, BUT as a 15000 x 17044 px file, taking like 1gb of ram and half a minute toi render on a reasonably powerful box. that might explain it. 1213768;1438003430;mircea_popescu;yet 2.6.8 is ok. 1213769;1438003439;solrodar;heh 1213770;1438003439;mircea_popescu;"upgrade moar" 1213771;1438003461;mircea_popescu;should i save a png of this or something ? 1213772;1438003745;solrodar;at this point I'm not sure if anyone actually wants it 1213773;1438003771;solrodar;consensus was that nobody knew any fully-automated tools that produced decent layouts for graphs of this complexity 1213774;1438003923;solrodar;I experimented with the other graphviz layout modes (force-directed etc.) 1213775;1438003963;asciilifeform;epic orlol: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/07/its-really-very-simple.html 1213776;1438003964;assbot;ClubOrlov: It's really very simple ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1XOiv ) 1213777;1438003993;mircea_popescu;[Note: I am pushing this article live two days early because ZeroHedge somehow managed to get a hold of it and post it before I did. Needless to say, I don't like this at all.] 1213778;1438003994;mircea_popescu;lol ?! 1213779;1438003994;solrodar;they weren't immediately better, and they took like 20 times as long to run, so I didn't feel like trying to explore their parameters 1213780;1438004018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only reasonable hypothesis i can think of is that he accidentally posted and it got lifted 1213781;1438004036;mircea_popescu;or that he doesn't actually write these. 1213782;1438004049;asciilifeform;or ever did? 1213783;1438004056;asciilifeform;(style is consistent since '07) 1213784;1438004061;mircea_popescu;this is a common (if not the most common) issue/complaint in the "professional" publication field. 1213785;1438004073;mircea_popescu;ie, send three newspaper an "Article" to write about your product. send them the same one. 1213786;1438004094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usg style is also consistent over long periods, so much so that it makes gavin read like reddit etc. 1213787;1438004183;mircea_popescu;this would imply zerohedge is a sort of dry run for rt, which i guess is as decent a tinpot theory as any other. 1213788;1438005014;asciilifeform;the thing is, his statement is not entirely unlike 'i woke up and my furniture was gone' 1213789;1438005070;jurov;!t m x.eur 1213790;1438005070;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0035 / 0.00383095 / 0.00390807 (1896 shares, 7.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00136203 / 0.00393969 / 0.00463902 (7822 shares, 30.82 BTC) 1213791;1438005077;asciilifeform;somehow, the whole story - whether it was the lsd, or that the owner's 'furniture' was a cardboard box on the street - is not told in the statement. 1213792;1438005082;jurov;;;calc 1/0.0035 1213793;1438005083;gribble;285.714285714 1213794;1438005148;jurov;;;ticker --market bitcoin-central --currency eur 1213795;1438005149;gribble;Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 261.0, Best ask: 269.49, Bid-ask spread: 8.49000, Last trade: 269.5, 24 hour volume: 33.62904287, 24 hour low: 260.0, 24 hour high: 269.98999999, 24 hour vwap: 263.47327425 1213796;1438005156;davout;dat spread 1213797;1438005187;jurov;x.eur is so bullish :) 1213798;1438005197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. 1213799;1438005231;mircea_popescu;it's what makes me suspicious, really. it's not even that, it's more like 16 yo telling the pastor "i woke up and my virginity - gone." 1213800;1438005236;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1213801;1438005266;mircea_popescu;that trhis'd be all you have to say on the topic is louder than the newly stretched vagina, really. 1213802;1438005269;asciilifeform;the real puzzler is that he mentioned it at all 1213803;1438005292;asciilifeform;could simply walks around and hope pastor doesn't notice ? 1213804;1438005356;punkman;where is this zerohedge article anyway 1213805;1438005401;asciilifeform;punkman: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-26/its-really-very-simple 1213806;1438005402;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D21nFh ) 1213807;1438005429;asciilifeform;hah. ~now~ has a 'submitted by orlov' 1213808;1438005436;asciilifeform;classy. 1213809;1438005459;*;asciilifeform bbl 1213810;1438005535;mircea_popescu;heh 1213811;1438005675;shinohai;asciilifeform: buildroot-2015.02/board/pogo/pogo/linux.config <<< no such file or directory T_T 1213812;1438006032;punkman;!up ValentinJesse 1213813;1438006316;mircea_popescu;!up ubuntu__ 1213814;1438008016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150600 @ 0.00057266 = 86.2426 BTC [+] {3} 1213815;1438010090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161050 @ 0.00057514 = 92.6263 BTC [+] {2} 1213816;1438010103;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1213817;1438010133;ascii_field;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q3/212 1213818;1438010134;assbot;oss-sec: Xen Security Advisory 138 (CVE-2015-5154) - QEMU heap overflow flaw while processing certain ATAPI commands. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRRdqI ) 1213819;1438010191;ascii_field;^ not to be confused with the fdd 'bug' from 2 mo ago 1213820;1438010198;ascii_field;or the other one from last month 1213821;1438010242;mircea_popescu;lol 1213822;1438010259;ascii_field;'An HVM guest which has access to an emulated IDE CDROM device (e.g. with a device with "devtype=cdrom", or the "cdrom" convenience alias, in the VBD configuration) can exploit this vulnerability to take over the qemu process elevating its privilege to that of the qemu process. All Xen systems running x86 HVM guests without stubdomains which have been configured with an emulated CD-ROM driver model are vulnerable.' 1213823;1438010321;ascii_field;'Deployment of patches or mitigations is NOT permitted (except on 1213824;1438010322;ascii_field;systems used and administered only by organisations which are members 1213825;1438010322;ascii_field;of the Xen Project Security Issues Predisclosure List). Specifically, 1213826;1438010322;ascii_field;deployment on public cloud systems is NOT permitted.' << embargo lulz 1213827;1438010431;mircea_popescu;lmao wqhat ?! 1213828;1438010437;mircea_popescu;wtf does that even mean. 1213829;1438010437;ascii_field;sop 1213830;1438010449;ascii_field;it means 'seekrit cabal gets fix prior to plebes' 1213831;1438010473;mircea_popescu;why would anyone ever use this shit ? 1213832;1438010495;ascii_field;which? 1213833;1438010497;ascii_field;xen per se? 1213834;1438010500;ascii_field;or the cdrom emu 1213835;1438010521;mircea_popescu;xen per se. 1213836;1438010523;ascii_field;recall, the fdd bug ~did not rely on using anything~ 1213837;1438010542;ascii_field;ask the cheapo hosting folks, not me 1213838;1438010549;ascii_field;as for qemu (the base project), it is THE pc emulator 1213839;1438010557;ascii_field;and ubiquitous in, e.g., malware analysis business 1213840;1438010598;ascii_field;also widely used by os devs and the like 1213841;1438010616;ascii_field;there is really no substitute for it ('bochs' is a similar, but even more decrepit, apparatus) 1213842;1438010644;mircea_popescu;sure, in lab settings. 1213843;1438010649;mircea_popescu;why'd you put it on a public facing box 1213844;1438010657;ascii_field;can't fathom why 1213845;1438010659;ascii_field;unless honeypot 1213846;1438010679;ascii_field;xen, on the other hand, is ubiquitous among 'cloud' turdmeisterdom 1213847;1438012088;decimation;umm, I think qemu (and kvm) are the basis for nearly all 'cloud computers/ 1213848;1438012155;decimation;thus, nearly all 'public facing boxes' are actually these kinds of 'machines' 1213849;1438012178;decimation;hopefully without emulated cd-roms apparently 1213850;1438012209;decimation;http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~fussell/courses/cs352h/papers/moore.pdf < link to the original moore paper where he supposedly asserts 'stuff doubles every 18 months' 1213851;1438012212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNR9cZ ) 1213852;1438012219;decimation;he really doesn't do that, but he does have a graph which implies it 1213853;1438012262;decimation;if anything, his subject is 'number of components per integrated circuit' 1213854;1438012478;decimation;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10307323/whats-the-differences-between-xen-qemu-and-kvm < xen vs qemu vs kvm 1213855;1438012479;assbot;virtualization - What's the differences between Xen, QEMU and KVM? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNREna ) 1213856;1438012811;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/23/john-horton-conway-the-most-charismatic-mathematician-in-the-world lol 1213857;1438012812;assbot;John Horton Conway: the world’s most charismatic mathematician | Siobhan Roberts | Science | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3qdQ ) 1213858;1438013541;decimation;http://csrc.nist.gov/nissc/1996/papers/NISSC96/joyal/industry.pdf < interesting: " In 1981 Hitachi acquired a nearly-complete set of the confidential and much coveted IBM Adirondack Workbooks from a former IBM employee. ... What is most interesting to note, is that Hitachi spymasters in Japan, who were supervising the espionage operations, transmitted their instructions to Hitachi case officers in San Francisco through Japanese ... 1213859;1438013543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL6ab0 ) 1213860;1438013548;decimation;... diplomatic communications. The Japanese consulate had received telex instructions on how to proceed with the acquisition program after meetings between Hitachi and the American agents had occurred in Tokyo. Once communication was received in the consulate, the message was transmitted to the Hitachi man in Silicon Valley by the commercial representative of the Japanese consulate." 1213861;1438013696;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/4MoyAau.jpg 1213862;1438013696;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL6ExV ) 1213863;1438014844;davout;!rate Pierre_Rochard 2 met this monsieur IRL 1213864;1438014844;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/202623865efade1b 1213865;1438014861;davout;!v assbot:davout.rate.Pierre_Rochard.2:850d1e7af53102cfcda576f4f31d76f3867ad3ced5383c6129cdde64313ed568 1213866;1438014861;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for Pierre_Rochard with note: met this monsieur IRL 1213867;1438015348;mod6;!up ascii_field 1213868;1438015416;*;ascii_field debugging a device driver for ~2 days now; if there were to be a hell for programmerz, this oughta be one of the torments therein 1213869;1438015557;mod6;Has anyone else been able to build asciilifeform 's "stator" on ubuntu? What I have experienced is that it does not build: The libs are not copied/installed into ./ourlibs, they are installed to the following places; OpenSSL to o /usr/local/ssl/, BDB to /lib and Boost to /usr/local/lib 1213870;1438015573;mod6;this is on ubuntu 14.04 x86-64. 1213871;1438015602;ascii_field;mod6: you built as root ?!!! 1213872;1438015611;ascii_field;how else could these have been copied to /usr/anything 1213873;1438015618;mod6;i am in this case... because if I didn't I'm getting a seperate error. 1213874;1438015625;ascii_field;don't!! 1213875;1438015632;ascii_field;and fuck ubuntu 1213876;1438015635;ascii_field;it is brain-damaged 1213877;1438015640;mod6;lemme rebuild and see if i can replicate the error. and paste it to you. 1213878;1438015817;shinohai;mod6 I built it on Ubuntu a few weeks ago, thought I mentioned. 1213879;1438015826;shinohai;Just for kicks 1213880;1438015828;mod6;you probably did. 1213881;1438015849;shinohai;I agree with ascii_field tho. Ubuntu is the retarded cousin of Debian 1213882;1438015851;ascii_field;i will say again - don't run build script as root 1213883;1438015855;ascii_field;nothing useful can come of it 1213884;1438015865;ascii_field;if you find yourself doing this, your system is broken ! 1213885;1438015961;mod6;ok here we go. just a sec, will paste. 1213886;1438016074;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1VRTSN8.txt 1213887;1438016075;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUV2X3 ) 1213888;1438016116;ascii_field;mod6: chown -R youself thedir 1213889;1438016124;shinohai;mod6: I had to build boost by itself every time because of that name problem 1213890;1438016165;ascii_field;mod6: you have crud owned by root in there 1213891;1438016165;shinohai;after that I commented out the boost line and re-ran 1213892;1438016196;mod6;ok will try a few things 1213893;1438016290;mod6;alright, chowned the entire thing -R mod6:mod6, building again. 1213894;1438016556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00056377 = 45.5526 BTC [-] {2} 1213895;1438016646;mod6;hmm: http://dpaste.com/1RYJ55S.txt 1213896;1438016647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOx47V ) 1213897;1438016694;shinohai;mod6: I almost certain boost needs to be renamed from boost-x to boost_x 1213898;1438016710;ascii_field;holy fuck why are people using retarded os 1213899;1438016715;ascii_field;i don't get it. 1213900;1438016789;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://cryptome.org/2015/07/gawker-fires-arkin.htm (and cached article in question, https://cryptome.org/2015/07/gawker-geithner.pdf ) 1213901;1438016791;assbot;Gawker Fires Bill Arkin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOxKtQ ) 1213902;1438016796;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1213903;1438016800;mod6;shinohai: im fairly certain that the line "BOOST=boost_1_52_0" matches what's in ./distfiles : http://dpaste.com/02HECCC.txt 1213904;1438016801;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOxLyb ) 1213905;1438016859;mod6;ascii_field: im doing this because ive put stator.sh into the test bundle, and I wanna ensure that it works on gentoo/deb6/unbuntu before i notify people on the ML. 1213906;1438016866;shinohai;Hmm ... i got the same error, so I manually downloaded boost because I had a .tar.gz in that folder instead of boost.tar.bz2 1213907;1438016885;mod6;but i have bz2! 1213908;1438016902;shinohai;O.o 1213909;1438016905;ascii_field;mod6: how broken does ubuntu need to prove itself before it is reasonable to declare it unsupported crock of shit - in the same toilet as winblowz ? 1213910;1438016936;mod6;this is a fair question, i don't like it any better than you do. im just trying to figure out if im retarded. 1213911;1438016984;mod6;i could be doing something wildly retarded, i just don't know what it /is/ yet :] 1213912;1438017013;shinohai;I dunno, I doubt you are "retarded" but building it separate solved all my issues every build I have done so far 1213913;1438017025;shinohai;Besides pogo, which I can't get to work at all 1213914;1438017105;mod6;yeah, we need to be able to build the whole thing in one button push really. so doing it separate is fine for individuals who know what they're doing, but not good enough for release. 1213915;1438017155;mod6;this does build fine (my TEST1 bundle with 'stator.sh' as non-root) on gentoo 1213916;1438017171;mod6;as the same with genuine 'stator' archive 1213917;1438017174;mod6;!up ascii_field 1213918;1438017185;mod6;so this could just be ubuntu releated. 1213919;1438017189;mod6;*related 1213920;1438017203;shinohai;Same thing happened to me on Debian tho :/ 1213921;1438017232;mod6;seems to me, that i hit this once right when I first tried this package -- but the problem was then (over a month ago), i was dl'ing the .tar.gz of boost, not .tar.bz2, and i've corrected that 1213922;1438017244;*;shinohai fires up ssh, and tries another Ubuntu build 1213923;1438017263;mod6;i'll try deb6 again here this afternoon too. 1213924;1438017325;trinque;shuttlecock's distro is dead to me as well 1213925;1438017773;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211627 << if you're talking about BitVegas, they took me for a whole coin back when it was trading around 70 USD per (not by scamming but by me stupidly thinking i could beat martingale) 1213926;1438017773;assbot;Logged on 24-07-2015 04:20:03; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1211313 << wow srsly ? never heard of this one. how much ? 1213927;1438017871;shinohai;Was BitVegas that minecraft like casino? 1213928;1438017926;danielpbarron;ya 1213929;1438018076;shinohai;I think I played bacon races or something there but long time ago 1213930;1438018113;*;shinohai prays danielpbarron will release a prebuilt stator binary for pogo 1213931;1438018170;danielpbarron;haha 1213932;1438018191;danielpbarron;unless that's an item in Eulora, don't hold your breath 1213933;1438018203;shinohai;T_T 1213934;1438018213;danielpbarron;the only things i'm building lately are exploration markers 1213935;1438018239;shinohai;I'm still trying. One of these days I will unlock the secrets. 1213936;1438018265;*;shinohai knows dick about cross-compilation. 1213937;1438018279;danielpbarron;same here 1213938;1438018289;ascii_field;shinohai: what part of the recipe failed for you ? 1213939;1438018359;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << the recipe, for reference 1213940;1438018361;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca ) 1213941;1438018362;shinohai;Using this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html 1213942;1438018363;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca ) 1213943;1438018379;shinohai;but the buildroot I got has no "pogo" folder 1213944;1438018388;ascii_field;it is created 1213945;1438018390;ascii_field;by the patch 1213946;1438018397;decimation;http://www.extremetech.com/computing/210758-qualcomm-will-lay-off-15-of-its-workforce-succumbs-to-cult-of-shareholder-value < many layers of lulz 1213947;1438018397;assbot;Qualcomm will lay off 15% of its workforce, succumbs to cult of ‘shareholder value’ | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1D5fTvL ) 1213948;1438018402;shinohai;hmmm 1213949;1438018419;decimation;"The rest of the drop-off can be explained by Qualcomm being caught off-guard by 64-bit SoCs. It had no custom architecture ready to deploy, and was forced to adopt ARM’s standard cores for its next-generation of chips. That" 1213950;1438018427;davout;shinohai: i confirm that http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html werked for me 1213951;1438018428;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca ) 1213952;1438018435;decimation;"Samsung opted not to use Snapdragon 810 and the company has faced some price pressure from the low-end of the market, driven by companies like MediaTek and Rockchip." 1213953;1438018445;ascii_field;what os was shinohai using ? 1213954;1438018456;shinohai;Using Debian Jessie 1213955;1438018484;ascii_field;and did the patch apply ? 1213956;1438018504;ascii_field;(step #7) 1213957;1438018509;shinohai;Asks me for file to patch, then says file not found, lemme try again 1213958;1438018632;trinque;shinohai | ;;later tell trinque Don't ruin my jester troll B << whatchu talkin bout shinohai 1213959;1438018678;shinohai;trinque: For some reason I got DM'd Saturday night asking for a keybase invite 1213960;1438018705;shinohai;I was hoping that "THE GREAT JESTER" would see keybase is a load of shit 1213961;1438018714;trinque;oh, I was a dick on twitter? 1213962;1438018717;trinque;I forgot about that 1213963;1438018724;ascii_field;dm? 1213964;1438018739;shinohai;Direct Message 1213965;1438018759;shinohai;and holy shit I got the patch to apply 1213966;1438018769;trinque;I only tweet dickery, as a matter of principle 1213967;1438018783;shinohai;lol 1213968;1438018839;shinohai;I thought it would be funny if he actually stored a copy of his key "encrypted" on their server 1213969;1438019026;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1213970;1438019063;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrZR2tnJtGw 1213971;1438019064;assbot;Don't whiz on, the electric fence! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fAyo06 ) 1213972;1438019210;decimation;http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/jul/11/qualcomm-jana-partners-stock-grants-microsoft/ < lol "One key issue for Qualcomm’s critics is shareholder dilution. Over the past five fiscal years, the company has spent $13.6 billion repurchasing 239 million of its own shares. These buybacks should have reduced the number of shares in the market, boosting shareholder value. But despite the buybacks, Qualcomm’s total ... 1213973;1438019212;assbot;Billions in buybacks have not reduced Qualcomm's share count | SanDiegoUnionTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpMj4A ) 1213974;1438019216;decimation;... share count at the end of fiscal 2014 was flat compared with five years before." 1213975;1438019330;decimation;the surface reading re: qualcomm: the management knows they are in a hole and therefore are colluding with outside investors to pirate assets from the company before it dies 1213976;1438019362;decimation;meanwhile, eventually all phone chips will be made by chinese & korean firms 1213977;1438019418;ascii_field;sop 1213978;1438019735;trinque;https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/SIMP << lol?!?! 1213979;1438019736;assbot;NationalSecurityAgency/SIMP · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1fAAfC5 ) 1213980;1438019755;decimation;"The entire idea of breaking Qualcomm up into two companies, for example, makes no sense from an ongoing business perspective — but it makes great sense if you’re an investor who believes the real money is in patent licensing (an extremely high-margin business) and not in chip manufacturing. " 1213981;1438019756;ascii_field;actual release, yes! 1213982;1438019756;trinque;they're diving in with the redditards/shithubians directly? 1213983;1438019769;trinque;https://github.com/simp 1213984;1438019770;assbot;SIMP · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1fAAn4O ) 1213985;1438019772;ascii_field;not new 1213986;1438019782;ascii_field;they had other publications, e.g., 'selinux' 1213987;1438019790;trinque;wasn't "simp" what the semi-intelligent gorillas were called in Rama? 1213988;1438019820;trinque;ascii_field: sure, but the fact that this is a huge wad of ruby code for puppet amuses me to no end 1213989;1438019841;ascii_field;i can't bring myself to give half a fuck 1213990;1438019846;trinque;which touches every possible knob on system config 1213991;1438019850;decimation;trinque: what do you expect? usg was using lisp? 1213992;1438019855;trinque;no no 1213993;1438019860;trinque;I'm saying they have some puppet exploit 1213994;1438019867;trinque;and they're distributing it thusly 1213995;1438019869;decimation;heh 1213996;1438019875;ascii_field;and i can't fathom why anyone outside of usg walls would even consider using this 1213997;1438019878;decimation;or they are just trying to half ass the halfass tools they have 1213998;1438019886;ascii_field;as far as i can see, it is an internal auditing tool 1213999;1438019917;decimation;usg is nominally responsible for the 'security' of all of its computers and a good deal of its subsidary's 1214000;1438019924;decimation;gotta do something 1214001;1438019980;decimation;the fact that 'security' has been defined-down to 'managing /etc profiles' is the punchline 1214002;1438020000;trinque;many layers at NSA, I'm sure 1214003;1438020008;trinque;not all of which are utter morons, but these surely are 1214004;1438020033;decimation;meanwhile the chiense are busy putting us hardware companies out of business 1214005;1438020048;trinque;good for them; they have the good sense to... make... things... 1214006;1438020050;decimation;see 'rockchip' et all 1214007;1438020064;trinque;my buddy learning mandarin has it right 1214008;1438020080;decimation;they eat from below; apparently once the bathwater is circling the tub - management & hedge funds come to eat 'from the top' 1214009;1438020107;ascii_field;wake me up when cn is using something other than winblowz (and stolen american designs, e.g., 'arm' wholesale) in their fabs 1214010;1438020144;decimation;ascii_field: I suppose at one point cadence will get similar treatment 1214011;1438020165;trinque;ascii_field: they're busy inventing factories 1214012;1438020170;ascii_field;decimation: there is not the slightest sign whatsoever of this ever happening 1214013;1438020171;trinque;they'll get to the design too 1214014;1438020183;ascii_field;NO ONE invests in design 1214015;1438020184;decimation;ascii_field: for example do you suppose 'rockchip' is nothing more than a pile of 'stolen' cores? 1214016;1438020188;ascii_field;because countereconomic 1214017;1438020193;ascii_field;same phenomenon as in ussr 1214018;1438020202;ascii_field;decimation: it is exactly that 1214019;1438020261;ascii_field;when somebody like me says 'let's design computer from scratch', a 'roi/tco' type reads 'let's make a megatonne pyre of money and light it' 1214020;1438020281;trinque;why do they need to design new chips from scratch to unseat the USA as the leading economic and military power? 1214021;1438020287;trinque;they can just eat the food we feed them 1214022;1438020296;trinque;worry about being better than themselves after we're dead 1214023;1438020300;trinque;or they'll die too 1214024;1438020302;trinque;who knows 1214025;1438020325;ascii_field;why wash hands before you eat. 1214026;1438020336;ascii_field;no reason - manking got along without this, too, for quite a while. 1214027;1438020346;ascii_field;*mankind 1214028;1438020351;ascii_field;yes, it did. 1214029;1438020373;ascii_field;why fight lice, fleas? our ancestors had them 1214030;1438020383;ascii_field;(and grandchildren will, by all indications, have them again) 1214031;1438020394;trinque;sure but on the one hand one could discuss tactics against the USA, and on the other, a sort of aspirational "best" 1214032;1438020405;trinque;you can kill a guy with all sorts of blunt objects laying around 1214033;1438020582;shinohai;Since it is too hot for tea, I chose a more refreshing drink this time around. 1214034;1438020611;decimation;http://www.intc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=850623&ReleasesType=Corporate%20News < heh since intel saw rockchip as an obvious enemy it decided to 'partner' first 1214035;1438020612;assbot;Intel Corporation - Intel Enters into Strategic Agreement with Rockchip to Accelerate, Expand Portfolio of Intel-Based Solutions for Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpNtwQ ) 1214036;1438020682;trinque;I see the chinese strategy as having been to bootstrap their own industrial economy by sucking the life out of ours. (obviously not an observation hard to come by) 1214037;1438020687;trinque;they've done that masterfully 1214038;1438020721;trinque;and if they pulled off something like that, I'd not think them so naive they think they can do that forever 1214039;1438020729;trinque;*that they 1214040;1438020791;ascii_field;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033283 << what powers cn 1214041;1438020791;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly 1214042;1438020809;ascii_field;(start of thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033279 ) 1214043;1438020809;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:18; asciilifeform: actually what cn has is precisely bipedal wealth 1214044;1438020821;trinque;yes, cheap slaves, right? 1214045;1438020832;ascii_field;^ entirely incomplete summary 1214046;1438020837;trinque;I shall read the thread 1214047;1438020860;ascii_field;cheap ~meticulous, willing, aspiring~ labourers 1214048;1438020884;decimation;^ who presently survive on a few helpings of rice and some liquor 1214049;1438020895;decimation;!up ascii_field 1214050;1438020899;ascii_field;folks who are not resentful, as you and i would be if we were chained to factory tomorrow 1214051;1438020924;trinque;I can certainly see how that level of devotion would wear out 1214052;1438020926;decimation;because their parents were dirt farmers 1214053;1438020928;ascii_field;folks for whom factory is a serious step ~up~ 1214054;1438020939;ascii_field;this is a non-renewable resource, for entirely obvious reasons 1214055;1438020979;trinque;maybe china will look elsewhere for people to step-up; iirc they are already doing this 1214056;1438020983;trinque;just like we did 1214057;1438020994;decimation;sure, which is why they are in africa 1214058;1438020997;trinque;mhm 1214059;1438021005;ascii_field;apparently they were desperate enough to try africa. 1214060;1438021005;decimation;mainly for minerals today, but tomorrow the people 1214061;1438021008;trinque;but I see how the cost increases for each round 1214062;1438021013;ascii_field;result: chinese reservations, barbed wire, machine guns 1214063;1438021017;ascii_field;locals verboten 1214064;1438021032;decimation;^ but also the occasional road project 'for the people' 1214065;1438021213;ascii_field;easy to hold 'mandate of heaven' while subjects are convinced that they are being 'lifted' 1214066;1438021237;ascii_field;after that - 'stagnation period' and brezhnev, and discontent, and 'dissent' 1214067;1438021269;ascii_field;and many toeholds for u.s. state dept., 'voice of america', hyoooman rightz 1214068;1438021439;shinohai;ascii_field if I wasn't an atheist, I'd say "God bless you". It built. 1214069;1438021479;ascii_field;what did 1214070;1438021508;shinohai;the buildroot 1214071;1438021539;trinque;ascii_field: do you recommend a starting-point book on USSR history, or is the material not in english? 1214072;1438021567;trinque;seems referenced here often re: current events elsewhere 1214073;1438021593;ascii_field;trinque: i know of no 'go-to' secondary source re: the whole shebang 1214074;1438021598;ascii_field;esp. not in engl. 1214075;1438021615;ascii_field;if you are only concerned with the collapse, orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' is notbad 1214076;1438021648;ascii_field;(however, he is almost entirely unconcerned with the politics, only the consequences in daily life) 1214077;1438021696;ascii_field;speaking of mr o, 1214078;1438021702;ascii_field;commenter: 'The article showed up on your RSS feed yesterday. That is probably how Zero Hedge got it.' 1214079;1438021716;ascii_field;orlov: 'There is a bug in blogger where it sometimes publishes a post even if the date is set in the future. I disabled feeds to work around it.' 1214080;1438022266;decimation;trinque: I got the flavor of some of it from the writings of Solzhenitsyn 1214081;1438022295;decimation;especially if you are curious about шара́жка 1214082;1438022342;decimation;anyone who works for a soulless bureaucracy would immediate recognize the similarities 1214083;1438022343;trinque;I'll do some reading on both; I am curious generally about the (seemingly) ever-repeating process of collapse 1214084;1438022374;trinque;and I've gleaned some of the striking parallels between the USSR and the present USSA by listening to you gentlemen. 1214085;1438023572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 597 @ 0.002777 = 1.6579 BTC [+] {3} 1214086;1438023573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 91720 @ 0.00002997 = 2.7488 BTC [+] {7} 1214087;1438024037;shinohai;Ok so now I have this, what should my next step be ascii_field 1214088;1438024053;mircea_popescu;"Two Fridays ago, when I read a story posted on Gawker that seemed to senselessly out a nobody for soliciting a gay porn prostitute, I immediately thought someone should be fired." 1214089;1438024070;mircea_popescu;oh i c. putting hogan's hulk ass is journalism 1214090;1438024077;mircea_popescu;mocking some inept faggot is very very bad 1214091;1438024083;mircea_popescu;because empire of retards over there. 1214092;1438024141;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1214093;1438024148;ascii_field;shinohai: what are you trying to achieve ? 1214094;1438024185;shinohai;build bitcoind for pogo of course 1214095;1438024195;shinohai;Never done this before :/ 1214096;1438024223;ascii_field;shinohai: there is not, presently, a working bitcoind for the pogo buildroot that is made by the recipe linked earlier. 1214097;1438024235;ascii_field;though you could probably build one 1214098;1438024267;ascii_field;(will need a hybrid of the 'stator' script and the static cross-dev builder posted a while ago) 1214099;1438024289;shinohai;I missed the cross-dev builder heh 1214100;1438024290;mircea_popescu;"I hate to be hyperbolic, but want to understand ISIS or the Tea Party or Occupy or Charleston or Dylan? Look no further than Gawker and its ilk, which means look no further than twitter or your own so-called smartphone: We are making the world a miserable place. Im glad I can withdraw and think about it." 1214101;1438024301;mircea_popescu;there shall be a lot of "withdraw and think about it" in the retard camp methinks. 1214102;1438024530;mircea_popescu; warkin@igc.org 1214103;1438024531;mircea_popescu; host mx3.mindspring.com [207.69.189.219] 1214104;1438024531;mircea_popescu; SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM: SIZE=1896: 1214105;1438024531;mircea_popescu; 550 IP 188.68.240.159 is blocked by EarthLink. Go to earthlink.net/block for 1214106;1438024531;mircea_popescu;details. 1214107;1438024532;mircea_popescu;herp. 1214108;1438024553;ascii_field;'use gmail, slave' 1214109;1438024568;mircea_popescu;arkin's loss, i couldn't care less. 1214110;1438024604;mod6;ok one problem for sure that I noticed when executing the boost steps manually is that I didn't have realpath installed. 1214111;1438024616;mod6;(ubuntu) 1214112;1438024641;ascii_field;one of the beauties of going buildroot-only is that we will no longer have this crud to put up with. 1214113;1438024655;ascii_field;if buildroot builds on your box - the rest will build 1214114;1438024667;ascii_field;if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer 1214115;1438024677;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213743 << Reddit derp and dice banner girl seem to be different ones 1214116;1438024677;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 12:57:13; mircea_popescu: this is the one from dooglus' site that took her pic with a wooden something up her snatch right ? 1214117;1438024689;mod6;<+ascii_field> if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer << :D 1214118;1438024690;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how do you figure this ? 1214119;1438024723;BingoBoingo;Dice girl's nick was pikachujdc or something like that. 1214120;1438024748;mircea_popescu;ascii_field this theoretical "so and so will happen" is nice and good, but also is useless in this discussion. following hanbot's mega-explosive "hey, this shit dun work on the most commonly seen linux out there" has been enlightening. 1214121;1438024762;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "thepiachu" iirc. 1214122;1438024768;BingoBoingo;Ah 1214123;1438024789;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not so theoretical. we just had another fella successfully 'buildroot' moments ago. 1214124;1438024804;ascii_field;realize, thing is mostly cpu-agnostic 1214125;1438024806;mircea_popescu;still moot. 1214126;1438024829;mircea_popescu;ie, it's the assembly line for phds all over again. 1214127;1438024833;ascii_field;mno 1214128;1438024841;ascii_field;it is the only way to get deterministic gcc 1214129;1438024849;ascii_field;and thus have all the builders end up with actual same binary 1214130;1438024863;ascii_field;for given src 1214131;1438024877;shinohai;now if I can only figure out what to do next 1214132;1438024894;ascii_field;shinohai: play with it. change the arch to x86 and see if you can run the resulting elf 1214133;1438024896;ascii_field;on your pc 1214134;1438024921;mircea_popescu;we're talking at cross purposes. 1214135;1438024933;mircea_popescu;step out of that context for a second and understand that if the thing doesn't build,. the thing doesn't build. 1214136;1438024943;mircea_popescu;same reason gentoo can go shit in its own mouth as far as im concerned. 1214137;1438024948;shinohai;xD 1214138;1438024958;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: buildroot is precisely the antidote to 'gentooism' 1214139;1438024969;mircea_popescu;but do we have a recipe to give hanbot ? 1214140;1438024976;ascii_field;in that it builds a gcc, and full binutils toolchain, which ~then~ can build, e.g., bitcoind 1214141;1438025003;mircea_popescu;yes yes. do we have the exact equivalent of http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu 1214142;1438025006;assbot;Ubuntu - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6vTgQ ) 1214143;1438025034;mircea_popescu;and i DO mean all the way to EXACTLY "Create a directory (mkdir dev). Navigate to it (cd dev)" 1214144;1438025044;shinohai;Ubuntu is just the linux version of Winblowze Vista 1214145;1438025044;mircea_popescu;with the paranthesis, included, verbatim, everywhere, no exceptions. 1214146;1438025048;ascii_field;there is http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << which gets you to buildroot 1214147;1438025049;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca ) 1214148;1438025050;mircea_popescu;besides the point. 1214149;1438025050;shinohai;I am convinced 1214150;1438025060;mircea_popescu;ascii_field we don't have that, we don't have anything in this perspective. 1214151;1438025074;ascii_field;but overall mircea_popescu is right, there is not yet a cookbook 1214152;1438025082;mircea_popescu;understand : in the strictest sense, it must be IDENTICAL. 1214153;1438025099;mircea_popescu; as much as a single missing "navigate to foo (cd /foo)" means 100% failure. 1214154;1438025116;*;ascii_field reads eulorum link, sees what mircea_popescu meant 1214155;1438025121;mircea_popescu;aha. 1214156;1438025132;mircea_popescu;now, obviously that it can be done at all is huge, and yes, all that is very important 1214157;1438025141;mircea_popescu;but there's a prototype and there's a mass production in all things. 1214158;1438025688;decimation;re: debian (and ubuntu): https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/07/msg00006.html < fuckwits removed sparc support from 'experimental' 1214159;1438025688;assbot;Sparc removal ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6xEe9 ) 1214160;1438025775;decimation;'yeah we totally write stuff in portable code but we can't be bothered to support anything other than what Intel stamps out because reasons' 1214161;1438026023;mod6;!up ascii_field 1214162;1438026128;shinohai;My first try at cross-compiling and I already need a drink ..... 1214163;1438027445;BingoBoingo;So lawyer finally called to update on what happened at court. Shit is getting real. 1214164;1438027568;BingoBoingo;Apparently the person immediately under the elected State's attourney showed up to the negotiations and demanded a guilty plea offering minimum fine and court supervision. If they want it that bad they simply are not getting it. 1214165;1438027668;BingoBoingo;So I will be shuttling $200 to the drive through lawyer to argue the hearing on motions in Septembet (why he neglected to mention this before I have no idea). 1214166;1438027709;BingoBoingo;By yes. One of the big wigs at the prosecution's office apparently stooped to negotiating over a misdemeanor. 1214167;1438027760;BingoBoingo;In other news re:Debian SPARC http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7747553&cid=50191243 1214168;1438027762;assbot;Debian Drops SPARC Platform Support - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1InKvVa ) 1214169;1438027817;mod6;I was able to build on deb6/gentoo nomultilib glibc/and ubuntu 14.04 just fine. On ubuntu, my problem was missing realpath. DEERP. 1214170;1438027853;mod6;!up ascii_field 1214171;1438027857;shinohai;O fuck mod6 I forgot all abt realpath 1214172;1438027898;mod6;yup, i thought it was already on there. I just never bothered to check until I tried to execute the script commands by hand and it turned up "not found". then the "ah ha!" moment. 1214173;1438027951;shinohai;Glad you got it though. 1214174;1438027957;mod6;yeah, thanks. 1214175;1438028043;mod6;my plan for tonight is to put out the bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz bundle to the ML tonight if possible. This is a pre-patched tarball of all of ascii's patches (and one of my fixes) up through verifyall. Should work only on x86-64 deb6/ubuntu 14.04/gentoo nomultilib glibc - if anyone wants to help test. 1214176;1438028057;mod6;Beyond that, I need to write upt the SoBA for this month. 1214177;1438028149;mod6;And then next month, if no one else volunteers to create the "cookbook". I'll spend all of August building that. I'll start with a guide for deb6 & ubuntu on x86-64 and i386. 1214178;1438028208;mod6;(for v0.5.3.1) 1214179;1438028236;mod6;then obviously it'll need further instructions in the cookbook for whenever we put out v0.5.4, etc. 1214180;1438028248;ascii_field;mod6: i may or may not have a nice surprise for you this week 1214181;1438028267;mod6;yikes. 1214182;1438028345;shinohai;I'll help test as always mod6, in between this pogo crash-course I am doing 1214183;1438028465;mod6;ascii_field: what's the problem now? 1214184;1438028532;ascii_field;no problem 1214185;1438028583;mod6;lol. ok. had me worried there for a second. 1214186;1438028607;trinque;remote code execution 0day in all released versions of bitcoind 1214187;1438028610;trinque;surprise! 1214188;1438028620;mod6;yeah exactly ^ 1214189;1438028628;ascii_field;i promise i'll say tonight 1214190;1438028639;ascii_field;nothing unpleasant, i promise 1214191;1438028983;shinohai;remote code execution 0day in all released versions of bitcoinXT <<< FTFY 1214192;1438029007;gernika;Anyone yet written any scripts to archive Trilema? I dipped my toe in the water, but only got as far as figuring out how to get curl to set the right cookie. 1214193;1438029030;shinohai;I was going to speak with mp about archiving 1214194;1438029048;ben_vulpes;!s wget -m 1214195;1438029049;assbot;56 results for 'wget -m' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wget+-m 1214196;1438029049;shinohai;BingoBoingo too, on qntra 1214197;1438029059;ben_vulpes;shinohai: ^^ 1214198;1438029086;trinque;!s from:mircea_popescu fair use 1214199;1438029087;assbot;2 results for 'from:mircea_popescu fair use' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+fair+use 1214200;1438029109;BingoBoingo;shinohai: If you really want to archive qntra there are many options. wget, curl, that derpy browser based website copier... 1214201;1438029133;trinque;it would be rude aside from theft to host the mirror, however, re: trilema 1214202;1438029134;shinohai;I know *how* to archive websites, just permissions, etc. 1214203;1438029225;gernika;Aha. Ok thanks. That should do it. Wget is a start. Ultimately I would like a distilled form with text + title + footnotes in some sort of structured format. 1214204;1438029306;shinohai;In fact, if *anyone* would like for me to archive their site, they are welcome to message 1214205;1438029403;jurov;;;isup trilema.com 1214206;1438029407;gribble;trilema.com is down 1214207;1438029535;davout;mircea_popescu can't get it up anymore? 1214208;1438029544;trinque;shinohai: I look forward to the day publishing is done over gossipd. 1214209;1438029579;shinohai;gossipd is golang isn't it ? 1214210;1438029589;trinque;not the one to which I refer 1214211;1438029594;trinque;isn't built yet 1214212;1438029599;trinque;!s gossipd 1214213;1438029600;assbot;151 results for 'gossipd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossipd 1214214;1438029642;shinohai;I always want to add a "t" to the end of your name trinque 1214215;1438029660;*;shinohai rhymes with "trinket" 1214216;1438029685;trinque;one can easily imagine a system with both assurances that the content being read is the author's and with fault tolerance 1214217;1438029703;Adlai;;;seen artifexd 1214218;1438029704;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1214219;1438029705;trinque;shinohai: I think the french pronunciation would be something like "trin-keh" 1214220;1438029715;trinque;used to have an accent on it iirc 1214221;1438029728;*;Adlai still pronounces it "undata" 1214222;1438029734;shinohai;I do the Spanish pronunciation, "que" sounding like the letter K 1214223;1438029780;Adlai;nobody expects the spanish pronounciation! 1214224;1438029785;trinque;lol 1214225;1438029812;shinohai;kek 1214226;1438030174;mats;http://blog.zimperium.com/experts-found-a-unicorn-in-the-heart-of-android/ 1214227;1438030174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1InOelC ) 1214228;1438030200;mats;MMS RCE 1214229;1438030216;trinque;holy shit 1214230;1438030235;davout;trinque: "with both assurances that the content being read is the author's" <<< iirc that was precisely not the point 1214231;1438030245;trinque;davout: nah, talking bout an app atop the thing 1214232;1438030270;trinque;author blasts his latest to however many connected nodes with signatures, and so on 1214233;1438030315;trinque;is that just usenet with sigs? might be 1214234;1438030327;mod6;!up ascii_field 1214235;1438030363;fluffypony;mats: not just MMC 1214236;1438030373;fluffypony;anything that uses the framework to generate thumbnails or whatever 1214237;1438030569;davout;trinque: ic 1214238;1438030598;trinque;davout: also how do I say my name? 1214239;1438030622;trinque;(said the american to the european) 1214240;1438030633;davout;tango romeo india november quebec uniform echo 1214241;1438030651;trinque;lol, damn it 1214242;1438030661;mats;fluffypony: ic, i haven't looked at it in depth yet 1214243;1438030679;davout;trinque is the french for "cheers" when you have a drink 1214244;1438030687;davout;from the "trinquer" verb 1214245;1438030697;trinque;I've heard that; I wonder whether my ancestors were wine makers or winos 1214246;1438030710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6411 @ 0.00056117 = 3.5977 BTC [-] 1214247;1438030969;trinque;this android thing might be enough to push me back towards a dumbphone 1214248;1438031035;Adlai;trinque: porquenolosdos.gif 1214249;1438031086;kakobrekla;;;google johns phone 1214250;1438031087;gribble;Amazon.com: John's Phone. Business - Black. The World's Simplest ...: ; John's Phone - The World's Simplest Cell Phone | Covering mobile ...: ; Store | John's Phone - The World's Simplest Cell Phone: 1214251;1438031089;kakobrekla;perhaps? 1214252;1438031139;trinque;not bad 1214253;1438031146;trinque;nice looking too 1214254;1438031174;kakobrekla;comes with notepad and pen 1214255;1438031174;kakobrekla;http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/12/johns-phone-800-dsc6112pen--engadget.jpg 1214256;1438031174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9gQdn ) 1214257;1438031445;trinque;this might do nicely, thanks 1214258;1438031506;mats;b-but no texting 1214259;1438031594;fluffypony;https://i.imgur.com/52tk5XS.png 1214260;1438031595;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9itaP ) 1214261;1438031787;ascii_field;JUROV!!!! 1214262;1438031793;ascii_field;wtf is the matter with turdatron 1214263;1438031807;ascii_field;nm, just abominably slow 1214264;1438031811;ascii_field;and... 1214265;1438031828;ascii_field;i wasn't going to post this quite yet, had been sitting on it for a bit, because no time lately to test much 1214266;1438031830;ascii_field;(actual wurk!) 1214267;1438031838;ascii_field;but, since it works, and mircea_popescu was lamenting the lack of it, 1214268;1438031840;ascii_field;here it is: 1214269;1438031841;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html 1214270;1438031842;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 ) 1214271;1438031846;ascii_field;^^^^^^^^^ 1214272;1438031851;ascii_field;achtung, panzerz 1214273;1438031859;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^ 1214274;1438031871;ascii_field;this one is the full shebang. 1214275;1438031909;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu here it is ^ 1214276;1438031910;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1214277;1438031928;*;ascii_field goes back to uranium mines 1214278;1438031930;trinque;ascii_field: bravo sir, your shiva hands never cease to amaze 1214279;1438031964;shinohai;ascii_field: you are a fucking genius 1214280;1438032016;ascii_field;first run it, then thank 1214281;1438032026;ascii_field;could be, it only ever worked on my box 1214282;1438032036;trinque;testing it now 1214283;1438032061;mod6;ah 1214284;1438032062;*;mod6 looks 1214285;1438032207;shinohai;Every time I follow ascii_field's instructions I have to get out the samovar for tea. 1214286;1438032216;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1214287;1438032228;ascii_field;what can i do, it dun work without tea 1214288;1438032252;mod6;thanks for posting that ascii_field! 1214289;1438032342;mod6;im gonna try to build this 1214290;1438032440;trinque;note to derps such as myself, you must rename the files without the appended ml hash or w/e to verify sigs 1214291;1438032482;mod6;^ 1214292;1438032632;shinohai;Ok, tea is brewing, lets begin peeps 1214293;1438033304;scoopbot_revived;To the dishwasher. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/27/to-the-dishwasher/ 1214294;1438034125;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1214295;1438034661;trinque;http://www.just5.com/worldwide/en/brick/brick-black << I kinda like this one. 1214296;1438034663;assbot;Brick Black ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsDyZb ) 1214297;1438034739;trinque;color schemes remind me of the winamp for some reason 1214298;1438034746;trinque;s/the// 1214299;1438035161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123200 @ 0.00055927 = 68.9021 BTC [-] 1214300;1438035590;mod6;i hit a small environment snag in the buildroot build itself -- i didn't have `cpio` installed, now that it's installed continuing make.. 1214301;1438036037;trinque;in my case buildroot succeeded, and build proceeds up to the following barf trying to build db: 1214302;1438036039;trinque;configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. 1214303;1438036041;trinque;If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. 1214304;1438036060;trinque;there were also several failed boost targets, which may or may not matter 1214305;1438036129;mod6;what type of environment did you build on? im building mine on [gentoo/nomultilib/glibc] 1214306;1438036158;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/27/the-valley-of-uncanny/ << because scoopbot_revived only picked up the first of today's poems. 1214307;1438036159;assbot;The valley of uncanny. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsEfBT ) 1214308;1438036196;pete_dushenski;;;later tell williamdunne any idea why scoopy won't pick up two articles in quick succession ? 1214309;1438036196;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1214310;1438036214;pete_dushenski;;;seen williamdunne 1214311;1438036214;gribble;williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: Is there a sign saying dead nigger storage? 1214312;1438036619;BingoBoingo;!up williamdunne 1214313;1438037108;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 1214314;1438037113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30775 @ 0.00055878 = 17.1965 BTC [-] {3} 1214315;1438037180;scoopbot_revived;Holographic Performance Shut Off by Police http://qntra.net/2015/07/holographic-performance-shut-off-by-police/ 1214316;1438037186;trinque;mod6: gentoo hardened glibc amd64 1214317;1438037226;mod6;hmm 1214318;1438037227;mod6;ok 1214319;1438037248;williamdunne;Hello all 1214320;1438037256;mod6;hi 1214321;1438037324;williamdunne; any idea why scoopy won't pick up two articles in quick succession ? <<< lack of a functional messaging queue in the standard library of what I used, resulting in me using a hacky way of getting the bit that handles IRC to speak to the bit that handles RSS 1214322;1438037363;williamdunne;Hence why Twitter doesn't have that issue, but IRC does 1214323;1438037381;williamdunne;(RSS also handles twitter) 1214324;1438037387;pete_dushenski;all good. i'll just spread 'em out next time. 1214325;1438037441;pete_dushenski;the two today were written a few hours apart, i just wanted to publish them together since they were in the same vein. 1214326;1438037452;pete_dushenski;apparently, this was to no advantage ! 1214327;1438037463;williamdunne;Sorry about that, I'll look into a fix 1214328;1438037481;williamdunne;Probably can just adapt the hack to use a list instead of plain text 1214329;1438037508;pete_dushenski;if it's simple enough, go for it. 1214330;1438037531;mats;https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/av/+/master/media/libstagefright/MPEG4Extractor.cpp exercise for a bored reader: spot the vuln in parse3GPPMetaData(). 1214331;1438037532;assbot;media/libstagefright/MPEG4Extractor.cpp - platform/frameworks/av - Git at Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1SKcXqb ) 1214332;1438037791;mats;can't find it? http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/103270/1/media/libstagefright/MPEG4Extractor.cpp has it. 1214333;1438037791;assbot;Gerrit Code Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsFKzQ ) 1214334;1438038287;williamdunne;pete_dushenski feel free to test, but he should work with multiple posts in quick succession now 1214335;1438038353;pete_dushenski;let's see... 1214336;1438038400;williamdunne;nein 1214337;1438038463;pete_dushenski;!up williamdunne 1214338;1438038766;pete_dushenski;williamdunne let me know when you're ready for another test. 1214339;1438038923;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: mmk should be good to go 1214340;1438038979;pete_dushenski;let's see this time... 1214341;1438039056;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/weak-4096-bit-rsa-key-in-strong-set-factored-more-factored-keys-follow/ 1214342;1438039056;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/mining-difficulty-jumps-by-2-44/ 1214343;1438039057;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/russian-block-on-bitcoin-websites-overturned/ 1214344;1438039057;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/market-news-roundup/ 1214345;1438039057;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/williams-pleas-guilty-to-debunking-polygraph-pseudoscience/ 1214346;1438039057;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/us-poultry-and-egg-prices-headed-to-the-moon/ 1214347;1438039058;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/four-australians-among-21-arrested-for-firearm-purchases/ 1214348;1438039058;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/liberland-president-arrested/ 1214349;1438039059;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/the-chicken-brothers-cook-up-some-ransomware/ 1214350;1438039059;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-backs-off-blocksize-scapegoats-memory-utxo-set/ 1214351;1438039060;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/uk-man-sentenced-to-six-years-prison/ 1214352;1438039060;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitcoin-isp-unveiled/ 1214353;1438039061;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/itbit-unveils-new-board-confirming-qntra-report/ 1214354;1438039061;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/government-funded-exchange-bitspark-shifts-to-remittances/ 1214355;1438039062;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/phuctor-begins-processing-sks-keyserver-dump/ 1214356;1438039062;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/ripple-labs-fined-for-violating-bank-secrecy-act/ 1214357;1438039063;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/silberts-bitcoin-investment-trust-begins-trading-on-otc-market/ 1214358;1438039063;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/mining-difficulty-increases-albeit-by-a-small-amount/ 1214359;1438039064;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/american-green-deploys-two-bitcoin-capable-vending-machines/ 1214360;1438039064;scoopbot_revived;http://qntra.net/2015/05/deep-web-marketplace-go-betweener-faces-20-years-jail/ 1214361;1438039117;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214302 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214114 1214362;1438039117;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 22:27:19; trinque: configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. 1214363;1438039117;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 19:17:47; ascii_field: if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer 1214364;1438039118;williamdunne;Oh dear lawd 1214365;1438039133;pete_dushenski;lulz 1214366;1438039133;asciilifeform;trinque: at some point you have to realize that you don't actually have a unix box 1214367;1438039140;asciilifeform;and go, get one 1214368;1438039153;Naphex;:) 1214369;1438039166;asciilifeform;buildroot ~does not need anything exotic~ to build. it is a good candidate for a basic test of sanity. 1214370;1438039180;asciilifeform;if it doesn't build on your box - it is ~your box~ that is retarded 1214371;1438039192;asciilifeform;sorry folks, just the way it is 1214372;1438039212;trinque;given where it blew up, it is complaining of not being able to run binaries produced by the buildroot gcc 1214373;1438039229;asciilifeform;trinque: what cpu arch ? 1214374;1438039243;asciilifeform;the given config is for x86_64 1214375;1438039251;trinque;yep, this is that 1214376;1438039259;trinque;it's a gentoo install I've rolled forward for *years* 1214377;1438039262;trinque;nothing wrong with it. 1214378;1438039264;asciilifeform;post log ? 1214379;1438039267;trinque;sure will 1214380;1438039328;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Silly derp there, fix should have worked and was simple 1214381;1438039457;pete_dushenski;ready for another test ? 1214382;1438039521;williamdunne;I believe so! 1214383;1438039527;williamdunne;The problem has moved a few times 1214384;1438039527;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitcoinist.net/university-of-maryland-cryptocurrency-research-grants << looks like the dean didn't give a fuck 1214385;1438039528;assbot;University Of Maryland Gives Cryptocurrency Research Grants - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1SKetsn ) 1214386;1438039528;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1214387;1438039605;asciilifeform;btw the link is broken 1214388;1438039609;asciilifeform;but i found the real one: 1214389;1438039610;asciilifeform;https://www.research.gov/research-portal/appmanager/base/desktop;jsessionid=GnvtVJ7XV27mBJHNNHmKHg3yDYLCdB35FJZm1lYpPQcqjwJj6yw1!1587853775!-1319372936?_nfpb=true&_windowLabel=rsrRecentAwards_2&wsrp-urlType=blockingAction&wsrp-url=&wsrp-requiresRewrite=&wsrp-navigationalState=eJyLL07OL0i1Tc-JT0rMUYNQtgBZ6Af8&wsrp-interactionState=wlprsrRecentAwards_2_action%3DviewRsrDetail%26wlprsrRecentAwards_2_fedAwrdId%3D1518765&wsrp-mode=w 1214390;1438039612;assbot;Research.gov - SEE Innovation - Locations - Awards Detail ... ( http://bit.ly/1SKevjY ) 1214391;1438039612;asciilifeform;srp%3Aview&wsrp-windowState= 1214392;1438039629;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ https://archive.is/2ZiCQ 1214393;1438039629;assbot;Research.gov - SEE Innovation - Locations - Awards Detail ... ( http://bit.ly/1SKevAF ) 1214394;1438039629;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1214395;1438039636;asciilifeform;Elaine Shi. 1214396;1438039661;pete_dushenski;$2 mn bezzlars ! 1214397;1438039664;mats;lol 1214398;1438039890;pete_dushenski;williamdunne *crickets* 1214399;1438039923;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: No error my side, did you post a test? 1214400;1438039950;williamdunne;Yeah scoop didn't see any test 1214401;1438039950;pete_dushenski;mhm. 2x 1214402;1438039965;pete_dushenski;will try... again. 1214403;1438039984;williamdunne;He matches via URLs and remembers ones he's seen in the past, so if the URL was the same that'd be why it didn't work 1214404;1438040018;pete_dushenski;aha. 1214405;1438040075;scoopbot_revived;scoopbot_revived quicktest iv http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/27/scoopbot_revived-quicktest-iv/ 1214406;1438040075;scoopbot_revived;scoopbot_revived quicktest iii http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/27/scoopbot_revived-quicktest-iii/ 1214407;1438040123;trinque;^ worst articles to date 1214408;1438040129;trinque;harumph! 1214409;1438040167;pete_dushenski;i'll keep practising, i promise ! 1214410;1438040171;williamdunne;Perfect :) 1214411;1438040179;trinque;hehe 1214412;1438040190;trinque;this just5 company does not appear to ship to the USA!11! 1214413;1438040205;pete_dushenski;williamdunne wd :D 1214414;1438040213;shinohai;well asciilifeform i am all jacked up on tea now and still have no clue what to change on this .config xD 1214415;1438040241;pete_dushenski;trinque just5 doesn't deal with terrorists. 1214416;1438040248;trinque;pete_dushenski: who can blame them? 1214417;1438040277;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: cheers, we must be one of the most productive communities 1214418;1438040291;trinque;!up williamdunne 1214419;1438040301;pete_dushenski;trinque costs more than its worth 1214420;1438040306;pete_dushenski;williamdunne s/communities/cults 1214421;1438040362;pete_dushenski;re: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ 1214422;1438040364;assbot;Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDCstP ) 1214423;1438040373;pete_dushenski;^i believe before your time, williamdunne 1214424;1438040434;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Nah, I've read most posts by most people here. Including that aha 1214425;1438040436;*;shinohai likes cults 1214426;1438040477;pete_dushenski;williamdunne no small task, that. 1214427;1438040493;*;pete_dushenski pets shinohai 1214428;1438040590;trinque;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3QRD8Y4.txt 1214429;1438040592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDDdTI ) 1214430;1438040638;trinque;in a bit I'll go back from the beginning to see if I glossed over a step, don't think I did 1214431;1438040644;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Yeah, Trilema was the biggest struggle. Still haven't read all of them but read enough that I cooked salmon teriyaki the other evening 1214432;1438040668;pete_dushenski;nice. how'd it turn out ? 1214433;1438040711;williamdunne;It was pretty good, but that had more to do with the salmon than the teriyaki. Didn't leave it to soak for nearly long enough because we were too hungry 1214434;1438040762;trinque;shinohai | well asciilifeform i am all jacked up on tea now << OH YEAH BROTHER 1214435;1438040789;shinohai;trinque you have any suggestions for me ? 1214436;1438040809;trinque;nah, I'm also jacked on caffeine 1214437;1438040814;*;trinque scrolls up 1214438;1438040836;trinque;shinohai: where'd you get stuck? 1214439;1438040837;gernika;trinque in a quest for a minimal dumb phone I ordered this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JN82EFO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage. They indeed shipped the phone to the US, but didn't work because wrong GSM frequency. Watch out for that. 1214440;1438040839;assbot;Amazon.com: Tomorrow M5 Mini Card Cell Phones Ultra Thin Student Version (Black): Cell Phones & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDDRRb ) 1214441;1438040862;trinque;gernika: yeah, looking out for that 1214442;1438040869;trinque;that phone's pretty as well. 1214443;1438040886;pete_dushenski;williamdunne next time, plan ahead a day and enjoy the not insignificant benefits of your foresight and patience. 1214444;1438040913;shinohai;cyanogenmod, ftw 1214445;1438040956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103157 @ 0.0005393 = 55.6326 BTC [-] 1214446;1438040974;pete_dushenski;gernika neat. though a dumbphone too dumb to text "be there in 10" is too dumb for me. 1214447;1438040988;williamdunne;pete_dushenski Yes, I planned enough ahead to have ingredients in, but not enough to sort the teriyaki beforehand. Probably try it again in a couple of weeks 1214448;1438040992;pete_dushenski;thus, black razr is the sweet spot. 1214449;1438041009;mats;yes am bringing back the RAZR 1214450;1438041016;pete_dushenski;williamdunne well, you can always blog about it ! 1214451;1438041022;mats;old school cool 1214452;1438041026;gernika;pete_dushenski I ended up getting a samsung gusto - texts well enough. 1214453;1438041054;pete_dushenski;mats it's seriously the coolest. looks a million times better than phabtards with their ipads to their heads 1214454;1438041083;gernika;I do miss my old razr. 1214455;1438041086;mats;am still waiting for my motorolaC155 to arrive 1214456;1438041090;pete_dushenski;gernika predictive t9 makes all the difference 1214457;1438041102;mats;le open baseband fw osmocomBB 1214458;1438041112;trinque;I never text away from my computer 1214459;1438041118;trinque;I'm also never away from my computer, haha 1214460;1438041133;trinque;all I need is a device that can tell me "hey dude, open your computer" really. 1214461;1438041154;pete_dushenski;http://www.amazon.com/BLU-Unlocked-Dual-SIM-Camera-Battery/dp/B00O5EU7TQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1438041125&sr=1-1&keywords=nokia+blu << i tried this for a month or two but no predictive t9 and the -worst- call reception 1214462;1438041156;assbot;Amazon.com: BLU BLU Tank II T193 Unlocked GSM Dual-SIM Cell Phone w/ Camera and 1900 mAh Big Battery - Unlocked Cell Phones - Retail Packaging - Black Red: Cell Phones & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDEN8d ) 1214463;1438041216;trinque;I did rock a razr for years 1214464;1438041222;trinque;treated me well. 1214465;1438041228;trinque;startac as well 1214466;1438041286;trinque;I am probably a unique case in that aside from calls from family, I really don't care to be responsive at second-latency to the world at large 1214467;1438041295;trinque;next day is good enough for anybody. 1214468;1438041384;shinohai;ok enough tea and fucking bitcoin for the day. Time for the hard stuff. 1214469;1438041448;*;shinohai pours out shots for #b-a [~] 1214470;1438041515;pete_dushenski;trinque true 98% of the time, yes. 1214471;1438041606;phf;re: feature phones, i used this one for a bit http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-GT-E1182L-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Organizer/dp/B007F9XJDY, main perk that it supports u.s. and international freq. downside that i discovered with phones like that is that sounds quality is shit, compared with iphone+apple-earbuds 1214472;1438041606;assbot;404 - Document Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oxm8sY ) 1214473;1438041770;pete_dushenski;the iphone does have spectacular call quality. then again, it's $800 1214474;1438041867;shinohai;But then you'd own an Apple product. 1214475;1438041959;mod6;asciilifeform: got all the way through boost build with rotor, but not sure yet why this happened: http://dpaste.com/0DZW6G0.txt 1214476;1438041959;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxmDTM ) 1214477;1438042060;trinque;mod6: I hit that too, before I added -e to the top of the script 1214478;1438042073;trinque;with -e I get stuck at the db step 1214479;1438042089;trinque;that one looks like maybe there's a cd further up causing it 1214480;1438042090;phf;well, that's the conversation about real computers. i wouldn't mind paying those same $800 for a phone that's not "diddle by usg", has excellent sound quality and can send sms with a full keyboard. such phone is not to be had though 1214481;1438042103;trinque;yep 1214482;1438042135;ben_vulpes;i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity. 1214483;1438042138;mod6;hmm, so after that, i commented out the configure/build parts for openssl/bdb/boost from rotor.sh and re-ran rotor.sh, and it started to compile... failed. couldn't find the BDB stuff. 1214484;1438042162;mod6;but what was strange is that none of the bdb libs were copied into ourlibs 1214485;1438042165;mod6;http://dpaste.com/33MSR35.txt 1214486;1438042166;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDHSFm ) 1214487;1438042166;ben_vulpes;run it with -e and see why bdb fails to compile. 1214488;1438042172;ben_vulpes;yeah, because bdb is failing to compile. 1214489;1438042174;trinque;ben_vulpes: what about minding snagging a reset-password email from your phone? 1214490;1438042182;mod6;ok will do 1214491;1438042190;trinque;obviously I avoid the above by other means, but point remains, and no hand-computer for me anymore. 1214492;1438042194;ben_vulpes;trinque: anything i actually give a shit about can't be reset that way. 1214493;1438042214;trinque;I use my phone like a grandpa anyway, will be losing nothing. 1214494;1438042227;trinque;and gaining battery life, actually 1214495;1438042229;ben_vulpes;my gmail is known to be compromised, for instance. mails not signed by me or not in response to mails encrypted to my key cannot be said to be "from me". 1214496;1438042241;ben_vulpes;and the latter only weakly. 1214497;1438042255;ben_vulpes;"text messages" the same. 1214498;1438042517;BingoBoingo;https://blockchain.info/address/1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv 1214499;1438042518;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDIRVP ) 1214500;1438042598;trinque;BingoBoingo: that's hate speech; arrest the blockchain. 1214501;1438042603;mod6;yeah, trinque. I got the same error [this is on, gentoo/nomultilib/glibc built on 20150713]: http://dpaste.com/27S67FQ.txt 1214502;1438042603;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDJ5MX ) 1214503;1438042658;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214498 << picture the sheer amount of cpu (gpu? fpga? asic?!!) cycles that went into creating that 1214504;1438042658;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:15:17; BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv 1214505;1438042702;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not many cycles necessary if no plans to ever spend from 1214506;1438042706;asciilifeform;vanitygen -i 1HitLerDidNothing 1214507;1438042707;asciilifeform;Difficulty: 6229598590911364789066338 1214508;1438042707;asciilifeform;[475.10 Kkey/s][total 1440256][Prob 0.0%][50% in 2.881999e+11y] 1214509;1438042710;asciilifeform;ah hm 1214510;1438042713;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is right. 1214511;1438042758;BingoBoingo;Probably could be done on paper 1214512;1438042958;mats;https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/07/27/final-steps it lives 1214513;1438043498;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214172 << the wonders of "by hand" 1214514;1438043498;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 20:11:38; mod6: yup, i thought it was already on there. I just never bothered to check until I tried to execute the script commands by hand and it turned up "not found". then the "ah ha!" moment. 1214515;1438043566;pete_dushenski;"You should expect network instability at the very beginning of the release, including forks, potential abnormal display of information on our http://stats.ethdev.com page, and various Peer to Peer connectivity issues." << hey, ethereum is just like normal bitcoin ! 1214516;1438043568;assbot;Ethereum Network Status ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxoCYg ) 1214517;1438043569;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214207 << haetrs gonna haetr. 1214518;1438043569;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 20:38:55; davout: mircea_popescu can't get it up anymore? 1214519;1438043670;shinohai;http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/a-security-firm-has-discovered-what-a-bug-that-puts-95-per-cent-of-android-users-at-risk-of-attack/story-fn6vihic-1227459712566 1214520;1438043670;assbot;Android text message hack: 95% of Android phones vulnerable ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxoJmC ) 1214521;1438043706;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214219 no, tʁɛ̃k 1214522;1438043706;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 20:41:45; trinque: shinohai: I think the french pronunciation would be something like "trin-keh" 1214523;1438043801;pete_dushenski;shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214226 1214524;1438043801;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 20:49:34; mats: http://blog.zimperium.com/experts-found-a-unicorn-in-the-heart-of-android/ 1214525;1438043841;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214271 << aaaaight. 1214526;1438043841;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 21:17:26; ascii_field: ^^^^^^^^^ 1214527;1438043887;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214504 <<< My sister got very angry with me for saying I was going to make a "1gasthekikes" addy 1214528;1438043887;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:17:38; assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:15:17; BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/1HitLerDidNothingWrongggggghJewfv 1214529;1438043956;pete_dushenski;shinohai hey, some ppl are touchy like that. 1214530;1438044010;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214384 <<< oh, look at that, joel insani-katz and friends. will wonders never cease! 1214531;1438044010;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 23:25:27; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://bitcoinist.net/university-of-maryland-cryptocurrency-research-grants << looks like the dean didn't give a fuck 1214532;1438044041;mircea_popescu;but in any case, the university blowing 2 mn on idiots and raving lunatics seems different from the other one being defrauded by similarly malignant idiots and raving lunatics. 1214533;1438044116;mircea_popescu;i see " The project, titled, The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency, will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)." 1214534;1438044149;mircea_popescu;anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over. 1214535;1438044156;mircea_popescu;looking forward to the lulzfest. 1214536;1438044201;mircea_popescu;"Since media processing is often time-sensitive, the library is implemented in native code (C++) that is more prone to memory corruption than memory-safe languages like Java." 1214537;1438044206;mircea_popescu;dude who the fuck writes this pulp. 1214538;1438044223;mircea_popescu;the not even wrong club. 1214539;1438044303;shinohai;pete_dushenski: I have a rather dark sense of humour she sometimes fails to appreciate at first, then winds up laughing months later. 1214540;1438044337;trinque;mircea_popescu: the fuck, fuck, someone get a bullshit press release out dept 1214541;1438044403;mircea_popescu;trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ? 1214542;1438044417;mircea_popescu;allowing this sort of parasitism is actually worse than not doing the work in the first place. 1214543;1438044469;mircea_popescu;people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes 1214544;1438044482;mircea_popescu;tolerating this shit is exactly how western civilisation failed. 1214545;1438044485;trinque;certainly, gotta know when to keep your mouth shut. 1214546;1438044488;trinque;and listen. 1214547;1438044496;trinque;which is for most people 100% of the time. 1214548;1438044516;mircea_popescu;more importantly, gotta know how to open your mouth, and say "stop talking about me you contemptible clod, you don't know enough to shit out the right hole" 1214549;1438044524;trinque;mhm. 1214550;1438044549;mircea_popescu;in the end this is exactly equivalent to the end to end encryption thing we're doing. 1214551;1438044572;mircea_popescu;none of this bs "i do 99% of the work and then thhis shithead comes around and wraps it in diarhea". 1214552;1438044672;mircea_popescu;btw phf whar is that crapple binary! we need mushrooms! 1214553;1438044776;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214482 << i don't have the time or patience to talk to people over the phone. worst fucking medium ever. if you like the girl why isn't she naked in your lap and if you don't why is there sound. 1214554;1438044776;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:08:55; ben_vulpes: i dun mind the phones. voice travels in plaintext of necessity. 1214555;1438044783;shinohai;Is it just me, or does this sound ridiculous: https://twitter.com/CCartelBCR/status/625812975086137344 1214556;1438044785;phf;i've got the makefile (that's how i was on last time) to do a clean build, i'm rebuilding right now with smg hosted files 1214557;1438044810;phf;pulling those tars at 100kb down took most of the time ;) 1214558;1438044852;phf;i'm pretty sure i can get it to a point of "unzip folder, double click" 1214559;1438044899;mircea_popescu;pretty cool 1214560;1438044996;mircea_popescu;shinohai it's not actually something. just words on a twitter account. 1214561;1438045007;mircea_popescu;if it gets you to give him money good and if not maybe someone else. 1214562;1438045011;mircea_popescu;"social media" 1214563;1438045033;shinohai;It made my head hurt. 1214564;1438045060;shinohai;No longer do i need to work and repay loans, blockchain does it for me. 1214565;1438045067;ben_vulpes;http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/symbolics/genera/User_s_Guide_to_Symbolics_Concordia_Book_Design.pdf << trinque: let's go after indesign 1214566;1438045069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxqrEs ) 1214567;1438045585;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214285 << wait are you a Eulorian or is that a real thing? 1214568;1438045585;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 21:23:27; shinohai: Every time I follow ascii_field's instructions I have to get out the samovar for tea. 1214569;1438045629;shinohai;Real thing danielpbarron I can't play games worth a damn 1214570;1438045772;phf;danielpbarron: http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/31/144531-004-B9389269.jpg 1214571;1438045773;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxrCnE ) 1214572;1438046177;shinohai;mine isn't quite so fancy but yeah 1214573;1438046946;BingoBoingo;!up nick_thunderdome 1214574;1438046973;nick_thunderdome;why thanks bingoboingo 1214575;1438047523;scoopbot_revived;Gawker Media Shutters National Security Blog Less Than 4 Months In http://qntra.net/2015/07/gawker-media-shutters-national-security-blog-less-than-4-months-in/ 1214576;1438048418;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/27/world/outlaw-ocean-thailand-fishing-sea-slaves-pets.html 1214577;1438048421;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sa9Sog ) 1214578;1438049354;danielpbarron;shinohai, what is a samovar in the meat world? 1214579;1438049385;punkman;boiler 1214580;1438050025;decimation;"t. The top editor in chief and the editor at Gawker resigned in protest, claiming that Nick Denton had done exactly what he had promised previously not to do in setting up an editorial staff to insulate him and “the business side.” " 1214581;1438050069;decimation;I think it's fucktarded to expect the owner of a newspaper has no opinions on the news 1214582;1438050079;decimation;why else would you buy a newspaper? 1214583;1438050216;phf;danielpbarron: that was a picture of a samovar in meat world 1214584;1438050290;danielpbarron;ah that's kinda what it looks like in Eulora 1214585;1438050311;danielpbarron;right now most of our tasks revolve around that damn thing 1214586;1438050357;phf;you can't have a proper, civilized gathering without one 1214587;1438050482;punkman;I'm partial to the uncomplicated ibrik 1214588;1438050646;phf;ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey 1214589;1438050671;phf;http://www.freshcoffeeshop.com/en/hovoli-1000s-turkish-coffee-machine-en.html 1214590;1438050672;assbot;Coffee machines :: Turkish Coffee Machines :: Hovoli 1000s - Turkish coffee machine - FreshCoffeeShop ... ( http://bit.ly/1D41vEn ) 1214591;1438050678;punkman;do you have a magical samovar that doesn't require source of heat? 1214592;1438050793;phf;punkman: samovar has a source of heat builtin. traditional models will have a tube in the center, that's used to burn wood like http://magazin-samovarov.ru/upload/medialibrary/3e9/%20golxwmp%207.JPG 1214593;1438050795;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D41FeJ ) 1214594;1438050824;phf;modern ones are electric, essentially electric kettles with a spigot 1214595;1438050899;phf;of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway 1214596;1438050929;punkman;I can make tea with it. also eggs. 1214597;1438051011;phf;i assume a teabag is somehow involved.. 1214598;1438051101;phf;actually i'm hating for no good reason, i know that in africa they cook tea in ibrik, but i've not had much practice with it. know they also use a lot of sugar and mint 1214599;1438051102;punkman;traditionally you just throw tea or herbs in while it's still boiling 1214600;1438051109;phf;yeah 1214601;1438051109;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214525 << let me know once you tried it. so far it works on two reasonable machines. 1214602;1438051109;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:37:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214271 << aaaaight. 1214603;1438051158;punkman;I prefer to use one of those strainers that fits in your cup, since I don't usually have tea that benefits from boiling 1214604;1438051182;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214534 << they are simply imitating mit, the way small-time crooks slavishly imitate famous mega-sc4mz0rz 1214605;1438051182;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:42:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, so i guess this is what the response to the b-a shattering of the vessenes scamfoundation is, get the tardstalk retards together over in maryland to start over. 1214606;1438051247;punkman;http://heroswelcome.com/images/D/celestial-tea-strainer-2.jpg 1214607;1438051250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D42wMu ) 1214608;1438051253;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214541 << folks who actually do work are not ever, as a matter of deliberate policy, let anywhere near a mainstream microphone 1214609;1438051253;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:46:43; mircea_popescu: trinque this is to my eyes the #1 problem atm. theo de raadt is doing decent work, but he's barnacled by idiot X Y Z ? check. the kids here, found a legit vulnerability i'm sure, but are they packaged by anon idiot ? 1214610;1438051260;asciilifeform;elementarily. 1214611;1438051287;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214543 << i agree. and this is how, e.g., phuctor, 'didn't happen' 1214612;1438051287;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:47:49; mircea_popescu: people need to learn to be A LOT MORE intolerant with these schmucks. yes, there's always going to be flies ready to land on the oxcart and talk about how "they"ve been plowing, and explain how plowing goes 1214613;1438051288;trinque;lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person. 1214614;1438051296;asciilifeform;(from the standpoint of everybody who isn't us here) 1214615;1438051314;phf;punkman: i work with iranians, and they, like russians, cook a tea concentrate in a teapot and then you dilute it from a kettle before serving. i used to use tea strainer but i switched back to russian method. this way i can drink tea for hours on end :> samovar is best in that case because it provides a constant supply of warm water 1214616;1438051361;punkman;phf, samovars are definitely spiffy 1214617;1438051361;trinque;in other words, if theo holds back scraping barnacles at all, he's doing them a disservice as well as himself. 1214618;1438051369;trinque;or wtf is education? 1214619;1438051467;asciilifeform;the barnacles are not, for any practical purposes of ours, people. 1214620;1438051495;asciilifeform;they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships 1214621;1438051544;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html 1214622;1438051545;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 ) 1214623;1438051545;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1214624;1438051750;danielpbarron;punkman> I can make tea with it. also eggs. << heh, in Eulora it's specifically called a "multifunctional samovar" 1214625;1438051847;*;asciilifeform unzips, pisses on the grave of glibc 1214626;1438051867;punkman;asciilifeform: nice 1214627;1438051895;mats;musl master race 1214628;1438051960;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anybody who wants to use a specific version of gcc, will find a knob for this in .config 1214629;1438052014;asciilifeform;the next step will be to turn 'rotor' into a buildroot package properly speaking (like all the various packages that come with buildroot) 1214630;1438052034;asciilifeform;this way it will magically get onto any buildroot-linux that is built (e.g., pogo) 1214631;1438052053;asciilifeform;conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each 1214632;1438052070;asciilifeform;that way they will be built once and cached, for a given buildroot working dir 1214633;1438052079;decimation;I would like a buildroot for osx 1214634;1438052085;asciilifeform;wai wat 1214635;1438052086;decimation;but I suspect it's too fucktarded to work right 1214636;1438052110;trinque;even my gentoo is apparently too strange to make it through; god help os x 1214637;1438052119;asciilifeform;trinque: what, exactly, happened there 1214638;1438052122;asciilifeform;did i miss in the log ? 1214639;1438052125;mats;http://www.evilsocket.net/2015/07/27/how-to-use-old-gsm-protocolsencodings-know-if-a-user-is-online-on-the-gsm-network-aka-pingsms-2-0 1214640;1438052126;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1D44xbJ ) 1214641;1438052188;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah lemme dig up the link 1214642;1438052188;*;decimation doesn't understand how gentoo could fail to build something 1214643;1438052196;asciilifeform;mats: ' its no more available unless you use some very old phones/firmwares ( on most devices they removed the ttyUSB serial interfaces to send AT commands to the GSM modem as well ).' << explain to me why this trick requires a phone. i have a crate of gsm modems here, they all have serial lines and take hayes AT command set 1214644;1438052209;trinque;though if it's a matter of my strange I'll worry about it then let the rest know the fix if I find it 1214645;1438052301;decimation;yeah nearly all modern smartphones still use the 'at commmands' to control the 'baseband' cpu to my knowledge 1214646;1438052314;asciilifeform;so why bother with the 'phone that won't let' 1214647;1438052318;asciilifeform;just buy the modem 1214648;1438052320;asciilifeform;ten bux or so. 1214649;1438052396;mats;I imagine that the author spends a lot of time tooling around in cyanogenmod 1214650;1438052410;asciilifeform;mats: this explains nothing 1214651;1438052429;asciilifeform;article is about 'here is a cool trick, but google's phones won't let you access the modem, buy an old phone' 1214652;1438052434;decimation;if your building the root fs on your phone, gotta talk with the actual radio somehow 1214653;1438052435;asciilifeform;why did he not say 'buy modem' 1214654;1438052453;asciilifeform;buy the modem, and you are ~guaranteed~ to get to talk to the modem 1214655;1438052467;asciilifeform;and usually the various knobs of the radio, if you can read cn or ru and have patience to find datasheet 1214656;1438052479;decimation;actually I suggest a much better idea: reverse the baseband cpu and software 1214657;1438052487;asciilifeform;(if you can't read cn or ru, and have no phriends who can, you have sadly no business in electrowankery) 1214658;1438052507;asciilifeform;decimation: you can get, iirc, a full gsm stack for extant sdr boards 1214659;1438052510;asciilifeform;why reverse. 1214660;1438052525;decimation;because of the interesting nooks and crannies one might find 1214661;1438052533;decimation;for phun and prophit 1214662;1438052534;asciilifeform;sure 1214663;1438052543;asciilifeform;but original link concerned a trick using standard gsm protocol 1214664;1438052577;decimation;but yeah, if you want to listen to gsm, buy an sdr rx 1214665;1438052586;mats;I dunno man. I don't know anything about GSM 1214666;1438052598;decimation;although classical gsm is a bit difficult to demodulate 1214667;1438052626;mats;have a hackrf in a box somewhere but I haven't done anything with it 1214668;1438052697;punkman;mats, are any of the osmocombb phones still manufactured? 1214669;1438052725;mats;I've not looked into it, but I doubt it 1214670;1438052740;mats;I get mine from ebay 1214671;1438052790;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!' 1214672;1438052790;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 21:04:46; kakobrekla: ;;google johns phone 1214673;1438052833;mats;can set up an imsi catcher detector with osmocombb phone, kinda neat 1214674;1438052867;asciilifeform;mats: how's that work? detects any tower seen at ground level? 1214675;1438052883;asciilifeform;or, one that is too 'loud' ? or in motion ? 1214676;1438052901;asciilifeform;(or - more likely - are 'catchers' laughably poor stand-ins for traditional tower?) 1214677;1438052932;decimation;asciilifeform: I think the latter is the usual method 1214678;1438052936;mats;detects things like downgrade attacks or anomalous tower behavior 1214679;1438052952;asciilifeform;i don't get why they would necessarily have to exhibit anomalous behaviour 1214680;1438052959;mats;encryption to none such from a tower 1214681;1438052974;asciilifeform;what's to keep the enemy from simply walking around with a proper commercial tower business end 1214682;1438052985;asciilifeform;and why does anyone give a fuck re: gsm encryption? it uses a toy 1980s algo 1214683;1438052996;mats;LAC change, for instance 1214684;1438052997;decimation;A5/1? 1214685;1438053002;asciilifeform;aha 1214686;1438053015;asciilifeform;openly mandated by nsa, no less 1214687;1438053060;decimation;somehow nobody gives a fuck 1214688;1438053077;trinque;who would, the consumers? 1214689;1438053087;trinque;they're well conditioned to chuckle about "govt sees my dick pics" 1214690;1438053150;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher' 1214691;1438053180;asciilifeform;and then parallel construct, 'never happened', 'anonymous stoolie told us where the cocain was buried' 1214692;1438053188;decimation;asciilifeform: plus you can buy one openly on the market 1214693;1438053194;asciilifeform;build yourself 1214694;1438053199;asciilifeform;from, e.g., verizon's 'femtocell' 1214695;1438053207;asciilifeform;all the hardware is helpfully included. 1214696;1438053208;decimation;squaddie's boss buys on market 1214697;1438053220;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214473 << um what 1214698;1438053220;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:02:50; pete_dushenski: the iphone does have spectacular call quality. then again, it's $800 1214699;1438053226;decimation;or do you think they go hat in hand before the feds? 1214700;1438053233;asciilifeform;all modern cell phones have abominable sound quality 1214701;1438053241;asciilifeform;for entirely elementary reason 1214702;1438053255;decimation;actually I think the iphone will establish a 'facetime' connection over the internet in certain situations 1214703;1438053264;decimation;which has better compression/higher bandwidth 1214704;1438053277;asciilifeform;if wifi, and if both sides select it 1214705;1438053281;asciilifeform;never, afaik, default 1214706;1438053281;decimation;yeah 1214707;1438053285;asciilifeform;hence worthless 1214708;1438053296;asciilifeform;and then you walk off your yard and wifi cuts, and lose call. 1214709;1438053302;decimation;aye 1214710;1438053315;asciilifeform;lacks, what phone folks call 'hand-off' 1214711;1438053340;decimation;yes, it's a noticable failure of the wifi protocol 1214712;1438053344;mats;can't face time over data network? 1214713;1438053353;asciilifeform;not iirc 1214714;1438053363;decimation;yeah I think so 1214715;1438053409;asciilifeform;plus there are still retarded carriers ('verizon') where data modem is shut down if voice call is going, until it hangs up 1214716;1438053443;asciilifeform;(yes, they don't transmit voice as ip packets! believe!) 1214717;1438053464;decimation;actually transmitting voice as ip sounds retarded 1214718;1438053482;asciilifeform;why have two modems ? 1214719;1438053491;decimation;I doubt there are two physical modems 1214720;1438053495;asciilifeform;there is 1 1214721;1438053508;decimation;it's one 'modem' which is actually a 'software rate' which has multiple fucktarded interfaces 1214722;1438053512;asciilifeform;but it is structured in such a way that the band can be used only for voice XOR data 1214723;1438053516;phf;asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality. 1214724;1438053521;decimation;because verizon says so 1214725;1438053558;decimation;my point about IP packets: lots of overhead if you already know where the packets need to go 1214726;1438053567;decimation;but someone needs to keep 'route state' 1214727;1438053605;punkman;phf, what's missing from dumb phone? 1214728;1438053621;decimation;plus you are forgetting something: usg demands that usg minions can excercise 'priority override' 1214729;1438053627;phf;punkman: decent sound quality 1214730;1438053640;coderwill;dfd\\\\\\\ 1214731;1438053654;punkman;not a great password there coderwill 1214732;1438053675;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc this is traditionally handled by having a switch somewhere that essentially cancels everybody's subscription but for a few mandarins 1214733;1438053698;decimation;right, the implementation of which is obvious when there's physical relays setting up circuits 1214734;1438053704;coderwill;sorry, having problems with a bluetooth keyboard :) 1214735;1438053714;decimation;not so obvious when routing ip packets 1214736;1438053767;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_Wireless_Priority_Service 1214737;1438053767;assbot;Nationwide Wireless Priority Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWRs2H ) 1214738;1438053777;asciilifeform;of course, whole thing's a crock of shit because no consumer handset signs its output 1214739;1438053784;asciilifeform;it is no 'gossipd' 1214740;1438053805;asciilifeform;if you really want to transmit packets as hitler's pocket phone, and you can get a capture of its output - you can. 1214741;1438053835;decimation;asciilifeform: note that it could have been otherwise 1214742;1438053843;asciilifeform;sure. 1214743;1438054026;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Emergency_Telecommunications_Service 1214744;1438054027;assbot;Government Emergency Telecommunications Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR1XbW ) 1214745;1438054040;decimation;"GETS is accessed through a dialing plan and Personal Identification Number (PIN) card verification system. Using common telephone equipment, the user dials a universal access number: (710)NCS-GETS (627-4387)." 1214746;1438054052;asciilifeform;l0l was just reading this. 1214747;1438054077;asciilifeform;whoever thought this idiocy up, must have watched the payphone scene in 'dr strangelove' 1214748;1438054087;decimation;lol yeah 1214749;1438054109;asciilifeform;what usg functionary of any significance walks around without a satellite phone ? 1214750;1438054109;decimation;actually this dances around another silliness I've noticed 1214751;1438054116;decimation;asciilifeform: plenty 1214752;1438054120;decimation;you know how much they cost? 1214753;1438054126;asciilifeform;$0 1214754;1438054128;asciilifeform;(to him) 1214755;1438054136;decimation;sure, but someone has to budget 1214756;1438054144;asciilifeform;$1k or so, to a human 1214757;1438054156;asciilifeform;for comparison, an infantryman's basic rifle is ~$2k. 1214758;1438054164;decimation;yeah plus at least $1 per minute 1214759;1438054187;asciilifeform;who cares about $1/min if the nukes are falling 1214760;1438054208;decimation;the generations of bean counters that didn't give a fuck, that's who 1214761;1438054212;asciilifeform;what was the other silliness 1214762;1438054236;decimation;why do all localities/states/feds insist on building their own 'special cell network' known as police/fire radios? 1214763;1438054246;asciilifeform;tradition, partly 1214764;1438054249;asciilifeform;and partly 'push to talk' 1214765;1438054257;asciilifeform;a feature still absent from standard cells 1214766;1438054260;decimation;it would interesting to compare actual performance of the cell network with govt run equivilents 1214767;1438054282;asciilifeform;what cell net has millisecond call set-up/teardown ? 1214768;1438054286;decimation;yes, but most cell networks are ip under the hood (dispite the disadvantages) 1214769;1438054289;decimation;at least, LTE 1214770;1438054295;decimation;granded those aren't widely deployed 1214771;1438054305;decimation;nor are the designed to be highly reliable 1214772;1438054336;asciilifeform;other thing is, 1214773;1438054344;asciilifeform;radios work when any two+ can hear one another. 1214774;1438054348;asciilifeform;e.g., in a train tunnel 1214775;1438054350;decimation;ah not so 1214776;1438054354;asciilifeform;aboard a moving train 1214777;1438054362;decimation;most modern police radios are 'trunked' and talk to the central towers 1214778;1438054372;asciilifeform;and what, have no untrunked mode ? 1214779;1438054388;decimation;yes, but ask your local cop about how to get it to work 1214780;1438054399;asciilifeform;iirc all american units are set up to interoperate with old-fashioned analog radio 1214781;1438054403;coderwill;pretty sure the municipal systems (police, fire, air traffic) predate the types of networks 1214782;1438054409;asciilifeform;on account of a great many folks carrying just such 1214783;1438054420;coderwill;yes, what ascii said 1214784;1438054428;decimation;sure, but often that interoperability is handled at the tower 1214785;1438054439;decimation;by cross-linking 'trunked' with analog channels 1214786;1438054449;asciilifeform;however it is done, i see these on dc metro trains 1214787;1438054454;asciilifeform;working perfectly well 1214788;1438054465;asciilifeform;one policeman speaks to another at opposite end of train, or on the station 1214789;1438054491;decimation;sure, but that's because they have an entire radio system installed in the tunnels 1214790;1438054499;phf;(fwiw verizon also works on dc metro trains) 1214791;1438054515;asciilifeform;pretty sure the ~only~ radio in the tunnels proper is verizon's leaky-feeder-coax 1214792;1438054550;coderwill;guessing here, but also would imagine that fire/police/ambulance are basically on special plans with cell providers 1214793;1438054556;coderwill;e.g. att, verizon 1214794;1438054570;asciilifeform;coderwill: iirc they carry normal 'human' phones 1214795;1438054572;coderwill;and that an amulance or squad car, for example, is just a big mobile hotspot 1214796;1438054583;asciilifeform;not here. 1214797;1438054597;asciilifeform;they have 'human' phones, paid with own salary, typically. 1214798;1438054614;decimation;I listen to police traffic on apco-25 1214799;1438054616;coderwill;asciilifeform: maybe it depends on municipal budget 1214800;1438054629;decimation;it's nearly always the case that if cops want to talk about something sensitive they call on cell phone 1214801;1438054636;asciilifeform;decimation: i did for a while, bored myself to tears 1214802;1438054649;coderwill;i know out in the country, you used to be able to pickup police with a scanner 1214803;1438054650;decimation;wrt cops it all depends on local budgets/policies 1214804;1438054664;decimation;asciilifeform: it can be interesting, but you got to know the lingo 1214805;1438054668;decimation;and the 10-codes 1214806;1438054674;asciilifeform;coderwill: can still pick'em up with modern computerized scanner (p25) 1214807;1438054678;decimation;coderwill: scanners still pick up cops 1214808;1438054686;coderwill;ah, interesting 1214809;1438054690;decimation;project-25 is a dual-waveform standard with 4-fsk and qpsk 1214810;1438054749;decimation;most police radio systems have gone encrypted - not because of scanners but because people interlink scanners and iphones 1214811;1438054766;decimation;thus greatly multiplying the potential audience (want to listen to cops && can operate radio) 1214812;1438054809;asciilifeform;key is, i'm told, null, more often than not. 1214813;1438054823;asciilifeform;(consumer scanners, however, will not even attempt aes decrypt) 1214814;1438054830;asciilifeform;^ usg mandate 1214815;1438054832;decimation;quite possible. the same problems with key distribution are always present 1214816;1438054861;coderwill;i wonder how that works w/ sting operations if people can pick up chatter on scanners? 1214817;1438054871;asciilifeform;coderwill: the way it works is 'don't use radio' 1214818;1438054896;asciilifeform;it isn't as if police can't use their mouths, talk like normal humans in person 1214819;1438054897;decimation;yes, I've noticed that cops are reluctant to use radio for anything other than 'report to seniors' 1214820;1438054909;asciilifeform;radio is normally used for dispatching. 1214821;1438054930;coderwill;also, i remember 10 or so years ago, you used to be able to get a scanner and rabbit ears and listen to people talking on their cordless phones, but you can't do that anymore either 1214822;1438054931;asciilifeform;and occasionally 'return codes' - 'have prisoner for transport,' 'send corpse squad', etc 1214823;1438054949;asciilifeform;coderwill: land lines died 1214824;1438054958;decimation;no he's talking about the old "AMPS" system 1214825;1438054976;decimation;where cell phones used analog FM channels around 800-900 mhz 1214826;1438054978;coderwill;yeah, i think once phones got past 900mhz it wasn't possible 1214827;1438054987;decimation;sure it's possible 1214828;1438054992;decimation;usg mandated otherwise 1214829;1438055077;BingoBoingo; where cell phones used analog FM channels around 800-900 mhz << USG mandates scanners and amateur radios ship with "blank spot" over that portion of spectrum 1214830;1438055080;coderwill;decimation: ah, so basically, it's illegal for manufacturers to provide that kind of functionality commercially? 1214831;1438055093;decimation;coderwill: yes absolutely, what bingo said 1214832;1438055102;coderwill;ah, 10-4 1214833;1438055125;asciilifeform;buy an rtl-sdr and listen to more or less whatever 1214834;1438055128;asciilifeform;$20 or so. 1214835;1438055154;asciilifeform;http://www.rtlsdr.com << them 1214836;1438055156;assbot;RTLSDR.com | All about Realtek RTL2832U based RTL-SDRs ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWUDaw ) 1214837;1438055164;asciilifeform;no 'blank spot.' 1214838;1438055185;decimation;congress passed a law after newt was intercepted by two democrat 'activists' http://articles.philly.com/1997-04-24/news/25530818_1_gingrich-investigation-ethics-probe-cellular-phone 1214839;1438055187;assbot;2 Charged For Taping Gingrich A Florida Couple Intercepted A Cellular Phone Call. They Agreed To Plead Guilty. - philly-archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWUHqN ) 1214840;1438055221;coderwill;yeah, it seems like every now and then you hear stories like this 1214841;1438055230;phf;(for those who want to police scan with rtl-sdr i followed this guide back when i had a spare windows install https://sites.google.com/site/policescannerhowto/) 1214842;1438055231;assbot;Page not found - How to Make a $19 Police Scanner ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWUKCN ) 1214843;1438055238;coderwill;another one, is people broadcasting illegally on a frequency 1214844;1438055275;trinque;https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/11/08/which-of-the-11-american-nations-do-you-live-in/?postshare=8761438046638004 << would not be a terrible revision. 1214845;1438055276;assbot;Which of the 11 American nations do you live in? - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWUPXa ) 1214846;1438055295;decimation;coderwill: depends on which frequency 1214847;1438055330;coderwill;decimation: was thinking am/fm 1214848;1438055334;trinque;shape of the "midlands" is absurd, and maybe "el norte" is a bit on the small side. 1214849;1438055395;decimation;coderwill: if you are consistently interfering with a radio station, fcc vans will show up 1214850;1438055487;asciilifeform;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/27/tragedy-of-golden-daughters-murder-plot-against-parents-resonates-with-asian-immigrant-children/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na << other l0l from same fishwrap 1214851;1438055488;assbot;Tragedy of ‘golden’ daughter’s fall resonates with Asian immigrant children - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWVmbQ ) 1214852;1438055529;phf;there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now. 1214853;1438055566;decimation;actually it kinda pisses me off how locked up the fm bands are 1214854;1438055583;decimation;years ago schools & universities could run local stations 1214855;1438055593;asciilifeform;phf: http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=18 << see also 1214856;1438055594;assbot;Big Head Press - Thoughtful Stories, Graphic Novels Online And In Print - The Probability Broach: The Graphic Novel, by L. Neil Smith and Scott Bieser ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWVEzb ) 1214857;1438055601;decimation;but clear channel et.al. conspired to effectively make that illegal 1214858;1438055603;coderwill;phf: yeah, would be surprised if not in a federal minimum security penitentiary if still doing that kind of stuff 1214859;1438055619;asciilifeform;no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour. 1214860;1438055637;decimation;yes, a decentralized network is possible 1214861;1438055641;decimation;who's gonna pay 1214862;1438055668;asciilifeform;~pirate~ 1214863;1438055670;coderwill;think about how much power though is emitting out of commercial radio antennas 1214864;1438055689;decimation;pirate what? 1214865;1438055691;asciilifeform;moscow pays 1214866;1438055695;asciilifeform;or a mircea_popescu 1214867;1438055696;asciilifeform;etc. 1214868;1438055718;coderwill;it would be like playing an iphone speaker in the middle of a packed sports arena 1214869;1438055737;asciilifeform;only if broadcasting on occupied band 1214870;1438055742;asciilifeform;which is plainly idiotic 1214871;1438055747;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/kevin-horrigan/horrigan-a-modest-proposal-to-reduce-homicides-bring-back-dueling/article_6e97635f-825f-5cc8-8078-2817aa010cb3.html 1214872;1438055749;assbot;Horrigan: A modest proposal to reduce homicides: Bring back dueling : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWVVlL ) 1214873;1438055753;decimation;most commercial fm towers run around 10-100kilowatt 1214874;1438055775;decimation;asciilifeform: the problem is that now you are depending on people to have sensitive receivers 1214875;1438055794;decimation;fm radio suffers from the 'capture effect' where your receiver only 'listens' to the strongest station and rejects all others 1214876;1438055809;decimation;when two stations compete your radio 'flutters' 1214877;1438055857;coderwill;asciilifeform: yeah, was thinking if you were on an unoccupied band, it's kind of like waiting people to just stumble over it 1214878;1438055876;decimation;plus in urban areas there aren't any unoccipied bands 1214879;1438055884;asciilifeform;there sure are 1214880;1438055890;decimation;seeming 'empty' frequencies are assigned to the next city away 1214881;1438055894;asciilifeform;bring a 'rtl-sdr' into the city, and see 1214882;1438055910;asciilifeform;also 'pirate' must answer the question to himself, of what his purpose is. 1214883;1438055991;decimation;pirate faces difficult choice: be effective and go to jail/enter 'justice' chumpatron or be ineffective and waste time 1214884;1438056001;coderwill;it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies 1214885;1438056001;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1214886;1438056003;asciilifeform;same choice as everyone else. 1214887;1438056013;asciilifeform;coderwill: ~100 yrs ago. 1214888;1438056023;decimation;coderwill: it's so effective nobody even thinks in those terms 1214889;1438056032;phf;the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later 1214890;1438056050;decimation;when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum? 1214891;1438056058;decimation;or verizon? 1214892;1438056073;BingoBoingo;If pirate radio why not AM? 1214893;1438056099;asciilifeform;how many people even own an am tuner 1214894;1438056103;decimation;am has more unused frequency space 1214895;1438056110;decimation;but it takes even more power to be heard 1214896;1438056113;BingoBoingo;At least one in car 1214897;1438056114;decimation;and has lots of noise 1214898;1438056127;decimation;plus the same problem with the fcc van 1214899;1438056143;BingoBoingo;The one in car normally tuned to AM rather than FM 1214900;1438056174;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/maryland-heights-tech-firm-employee-accused-of-using-company-credit/article_089ab943-e138-5e55-aebf-efba8650288c.html 1214901;1438056198;asciilifeform;re: vans >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712476 << see also. 1214902;1438056198;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2014 01:10:57; asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison 1214903;1438056246;decimation;yeah it takes a special idiot to use strong gps jammer in a usg free-fire zone 1214904;1438056272;asciilifeform;'Berrett also used his company credit card to spend $131.08 with Interactive Life Forms, parent company of sex-toy maker Fleshlight, and listed the purchase as exam test prep questions, the indictment says. Berrett paid $226.50 for a wine shipment from the Gold Medal Wine Club, listing the purchase as a Bribe for the UNIX guys.' 1214905;1438056274;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l 1214906;1438056313;asciilifeform;decimation: clever man uses sixteen of'em in a circle around the american general, let him shoot himself with own rocket 1214907;1438056332;decimation;yeah, would first have to surround said general 1214908;1438056353;asciilifeform;only with radio 1214909;1438056369;asciilifeform;or let the pencilnecks try to explain to him why the rocket ought not be fired 1214910;1438056382;asciilifeform;(who wouldn't pay to watch this) 1214911;1438056403;decimation;perhaps this will be tried one day 1214912;1438056410;asciilifeform;thing is, americans helpfully 'surround' themselves whenever they land in orcland 1214913;1438056416;decimation;the iraqs seemed incapable of organizing the day's post 1214914;1438056425;asciilifeform;just by virtue of building their 'green zone' in the middle of the jungle/desert 1214915;1438056444;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah a particularly lulzy strategy 1214916;1438056452;decimation;see yarvin's rants about 'pc coin' 1214917;1438056512;asciilifeform;'In 2006, then-Savvis Inc. Chief Executive Robert McCormick earned the nickname lap dunce from the New York Daily News after being accused of charging a $241,000 topless-club bill to his corporate credit card.' << i seriously dun get it 1214918;1438056519;asciilifeform;wtf is the appeal of this 1214919;1438056528;asciilifeform;pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex 1214920;1438056552;asciilifeform;or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ? 1214921;1438056554;*;asciilifeform mystified 1214922;1438056581;BingoBoingo; or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ? << It often is. 1214923;1438056607;asciilifeform;and what kind of whoring costs six figures ? 1214924;1438056615;asciilifeform;seems like somebody is 'buying retail' 1214925;1438056616;trinque;can't be the whole picture 1214926;1438056638;decimation;it would have been cheaper to hire the strippers as secretaries 1214927;1438056640;asciilifeform;one could run a very serviceable harem for 250k 1214928;1438056735;BingoBoingo;Likely issue is with $maxint money it becomes easy to forget what reasonable prices are, end up with human golden toilet 1214929;1438056737;coderwill;why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months 1214930;1438056759;asciilifeform;and e.coli bacterium earns even less 1214931;1438056771;asciilifeform;sad, no 1214932;1438056776;decimation;because zipf's law 1214933;1438056796;phf;i've seen a some american univ arabs burn 20-30k a night at k street clubs on bottle service, and that's dc. i can imagine you can do some serious damage in new york clubs 1214934;1438056804;asciilifeform;'some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night' (tm) (r) (blake) 1214935;1438056981;phf;a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could 1214936;1438056982;BingoBoingo;http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/7/8/perspectives-zionism-class-canceled-due-no-enrollm/ 1214937;1438056984;assbot;‘Perspectives on Zionism’ class canceled due to no enrollment – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq8Wpo ) 1214938;1438057038;asciilifeform;phf: the ultimate pleasure is perhaps to pay a servant to pour the bottle directly into a (field-portable, in the back of limo) golden pissoire. 1214939;1438057096;asciilifeform;this is the idiot 'normie''s idea of 'rich'. not taleb's library, no. 1214940;1438057139;asciilifeform;we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do. 1214941;1438057183;decimation;asciilifeform: I was reading about volkswagon and there's an amusing connection there 1214942;1438057238;phf;asciilifeform: these were mostly sons of minor arab families, sent to american university, because "america" in name to get western education. couple of them had kids of same age, parents at home "full expenses paid", kids education paid, but otherwise slave to prince in question 1214943;1438057238;decimation;hilter campaigned on the idea that car makers were intentionally ignoring the poor masses with their products 1214944;1438057264;asciilifeform;ditto ford 1214945;1438057286;asciilifeform;(who spent virtually whole life battling the patent cartels, in court and otherwise) 1214946;1438057289;phf;but i've personally not seen a single instance of "taleb's library" in anywhere around capitol hill 1214947;1438057307;asciilifeform;phf: what would saudi prince do with library? wipe arse? 1214948;1438057323;asciilifeform;stoke furnace for bath, as the halif did with library of alexandria? 1214949;1438057470;phf;asciilifeform: hey, i grew up in moscow, what do you expect? *i* expect saudi prince to drink fine wine and have learned debates supported by ibn-sina quotess and such :> 1214950;1438057509;decimation;http://www.ndr.de/kultur/geschichte/chronologie/Die-Gruendung-des-Volkswagenwerks-1938,vwwerk2.html "Fünf Mark die Woche musst Du sparen - willst Du im eignen Wagen fahren!" 1214951;1438057510;assbot;Die Gründung des Volkswagenwerks | NDR.de - Kultur - Geschichte - Chronologie ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq960d ) 1214952;1438057546;asciilifeform;the prophet forbade wine! 1214953;1438057550;asciilifeform;(but not hashish) 1214954;1438057564;trinque;that's just good taste if you're going to pick between. 1214955;1438057575;decimation;the original name of volkswagen (people's-wagen) was "strength through joy"-wagen 1214956;1438057613;phf;drink wine. this is life eternal. this is all that youth will give you. it is the season for wine, roses and drunken friends. 1214957;1438057631;decimation;anyone who lives within walking distance of capitol hill is spending their waking hours attempting to maintain their position 1214958;1438057636;asciilifeform;kraft durch freude ! 1214959;1438057649;decimation;^volksemphanger! 1214960;1438057668;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksempf%C3%A4nger 1214961;1438057669;assbot;Volksempfänger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9agi ) 1214962;1438057729;decimation;" Albert Speer, said in his final speech at the Nuremberg trials: 1214963;1438057731;decimation;“ Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship [...] which made the complete use of all technical means for domination of its own country. Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man." 1214964;1438057765;decimation;if only hitler had made iphones with nasdp app! 1214965;1438057778;asciilifeform;'j00z around me' 1214966;1438057808;decimation;actually the nasdp would have hearily approved of 'tinder', etc 1214967;1438057818;decimation;as long as it resulted in more german births 1214968;1438057982;decimation;http://www.salon.com/2004/12/03/kater/ "Following the now-infamous 1936 Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg, for instance, 900 BDM girls came home pregnant. " 1214969;1438057983;assbot;Hot and horny for Hitler - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9fke ) 1214970;1438058076;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033283 < asciilifeform: this is also the fuel that powered the french revolution/neopleanic empire 1214971;1438058076;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly 1214972;1438058162;asciilifeform;it is also important to note that it is a ~heat engine~ 1214973;1438058172;asciilifeform;i.e. requires both 'hot' and 'cold' parts 1214974;1438058206;asciilifeform;'hot', in this case, being the world of the coolie, and 'cold' being the world he aspires to enter (or at least send his children to, oxbridge and harvaprinceyaleton) 1214975;1438058237;asciilifeform;if the fluids equilibrate, engine - stops. 1214976;1438058337;decimation;yeah in the case of france it was 'derpy peasants' and 'austro-hungarian wealth' 1214977;1438059390;felipelalli;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TkHDfSH8 1214978;1438059391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9E61 ) 1214979;1438059392;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1214980;1438059529;felipelalli;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dbf4vqET 1214981;1438059530;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9Hih ) 1214982;1438059531;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1214983;1438068732;BingoBoingo;https://veuwer.com/i/2xu8.jpg 1214984;1438068734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvoeZz ) 1214985;1438070472;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214533 <<< he befouls the name jonathan katz of dr katz fame too! 1214986;1438070472;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 00:41:56; mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency, will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)." 1214987;1438070718;BingoBoingo;Intersectional https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/351283 1214988;1438070719;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuVQth ) 1214989;1438071501;scoopbot_revived;Pete's mega-recommended reading list http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/28/petes-mega-recommended-reading-list/ 1214990;1438072920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00053837 = 28.8028 BTC [-] 1214991;1438075787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00054202 = 23.1714 BTC [+] 1214992;1438076862;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy? 1214993;1438076862;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 03:06:30; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!' 1214994;1438077983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5132 @ 0.00054717 = 2.8081 BTC [+] {2} 1214995;1438079555;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214582 << because all the Sarah Jessica Parkers/randi zuckerbergs/ Kristen Wiigs are SO VERY IMPORTANT and valuable and productive and did i say smart and intellectual ??? that people canb't help but pay them. 1214996;1438079555;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:21:19; decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper? 1214997;1438079636;mircea_popescu;that last one is especially indicative, she's made a career such as it is out of depicting herselv, which is to say, aging stupid woman with delusions of "intellectual", a sort of julia a moore of the current generation. except that in 1930 the opriginal was a laughingstock, and today every other female is basically wiig in a slightly varied color scheme. 1214998;1438079742;mircea_popescu;in any case, that's denton's unforgivable crime : that he pointed out to the anal children that their self-delusions are not only impossible, and not only ridiculous. they're actually NOT FOOLING ANYONE. such an ego wound is intolerable, and you can fully expect "the entire blabla" to walk out in a fury. because they were only "working" for gawker to protect this particular egotastic trip, nothing ewlse. which is why t 1214999;1438079743;mircea_popescu;hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid. 1215000;1438079771;mircea_popescu;ego trips being of course an economic surplus phenomenon, and the us being pretty much wrung out of any sort of surplus whatsoever, expect a lot of such arguments to come. 1215001;1438079808;mircea_popescu;(ps - it's not incidental all the examples are women. this is very strictly a female mental issue) 1215002;1438080055;mircea_popescu;(ps2, see bridesmaids, it's 10k words). 1215003;1438080145;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214588 << he has a point, all attempts to heat water sooner or later reduce to a half assed, poorly specified, wasteful and buggy reimplementation of a samovar. 1215004;1438080145;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:30:46; phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey 1215005;1438080316;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214595 << a) that's a horrid illustration to use right aftetr the "civilised gathering" ; b) electric ones are a joke anyway - you use smokleess charcoal/embers from your fireplace to heat it ; c) of course it can make coffee. 1215006;1438080316;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:34:59; phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway 1215007;1438080520;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214608 << i know. it is getting broken, this. also deliberately, only by a much greater force than anything "the western world" could ever muster. 1215008;1438080520;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:40:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214541 << folks who actually do work are not ever, as a matter of deliberate policy, let anywhere near a mainstream microphone 1215009;1438080522;mircea_popescu;ie, us. 1215010;1438080567;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214613 << hopefulyl not for very long. 1215011;1438080567;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person. 1215012;1438080601;mircea_popescu;chiefly through reintroducing the "died a horrible painful death through not having had the golden blessed opportunity of there being any learned persons able or willing to scream at him" 1215013;1438080719;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214620 << myeah. hence teh word. quite apt. 1215014;1438080719;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:44:55; asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships 1215015;1438080787;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's easy to overlook just how almighty powerful the wot system and the signature chain is in dealing with these schmucks. once my "you don't exist" approach as deployed on that tim schmuckley fellow is realised, that's the end of barnacling. 1215016;1438080848;mircea_popescu;which explains both why they writhe and wiggle so when the salt is applied, - oh they don't "need" the wot dontcha know, because "they have irl friends!!1" and other bs defenses of the specific sort of retard. what, like i'm 16 and covered in pimples and i'm going to care some derp from the enemy camp doesn't think so much of my social proof ? herp. 1215017;1438080882;mircea_popescu;and it also explains the various hangers ons stuffing the channel here, got their sig registered and trying to scrape as much support and connectivity without doing any sort of actual work. 1215018;1438080915;mircea_popescu;which sure, seems to work to some degree. obviously this is ONLY the case because we don't actually care yet, and will go away once the other valve is closed. but hey, they don't have to KNOW THIS. let 'em hope. 1215019;1438081028;shinohai;Nothing good is accomplished without hard work. :/ 1215020;1438081072;mircea_popescu;btw shinohai : you can probably easiest enumerate trilema by going to trilema.com/2014/01 etc. 12 months each year. 1215021;1438081115;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214631 << yeah. 1215022;1438081115;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 02:54:13; asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each 1215023;1438081119;mircea_popescu;!rated asciilifeform 1215024;1438081119;assbot;You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.. 1215025;1438081145;shinohai;will do mircea_popescu. It appears your weekend warriors bought the extended package, however. 1215026;1438081146;mircea_popescu;!rate asciilifeform 5 Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm. 1215027;1438081146;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8176294277335aa7 1215028;1438081151;kakobrekla;;;isup trilema.com 1215029;1438081155;gribble;trilema.com is down 1215030;1438081162;mircea_popescu;ah ? was up an hour ago or w/e last i looked. 1215031;1438081183;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d 1215032;1438081183;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 5 to 5 with note: Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm. 1215033;1438081290;mircea_popescu;http://postimg.org/image/nbgqfdbht/ fwiw. 1215034;1438081291;assbot;View image: bw trilema today ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKQ2iN ) 1215035;1438081338;shinohai;Looks like it was up minutes before I started making cofee, fml 1215036;1438081437;shinohai;Not like if I archived trilema, they eventually wouldn't attack that too .... but such is life. 1215037;1438081476;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214653 << because not old enough to know, in principle, that milk comes from cow not supermarket. so his recipe is "go to supermarket acquire square whiote box" not "acquire milk" 1215038;1438081476;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 03:00:35; asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem' 1215039;1438081602;mircea_popescu;shinohai mebbe you misunderstand something here, but how exactly would "they" attack your own, private copy of trilema ? 1215040;1438081622;mircea_popescu;or was your idea of "a copy for personal use" somehow morphed into "i'm just going to steal this dude's site and put it online" ? 1215041;1438081628;mircea_popescu;fair use is an actual term of art. 1215042;1438081666;shinohai;No, not "steal" trilema. Not at all. 1215043;1438081680;shinohai;I meant if anyone found out where I hosted it at. 1215044;1438081685;mircea_popescu;... 1215045;1438081690;mircea_popescu;what do you mean hosted ? 1215046;1438081754;shinohai;I have webspace that isn't being used at all, other than my contact info page. 1215047;1438081771;mircea_popescu;but you don't have a license to republish trilema. 1215048;1438081785;mircea_popescu;you have a license to save the pages on your own hard drive, not to publish them on your own web server. 1215049;1438081807;shinohai;I wanted to talk to you about that actually, thought I mentioned it previously. 1215050;1438081854;shinohai;Same way I know I can't just curl The New York Times and serve it up on my page. 1215051;1438081885;mircea_popescu;aha 1215052;1438081925;mircea_popescu;but that aside, set your curl or w/e to pull pages an' save them, that way you can always read 'em 1215053;1438081936;mircea_popescu;making derpy ddos like this really meaningless. 1215054;1438081960;shinohai;Indeed. 1215055;1438081994;mircea_popescu;(sane browsers would do this automatically anyway. lynx does, for instance, which is perhaps why sane people, ie most trilema readership, don't care so much) 1215056;1438081996;shinohai;If there was a print version of trilema and qntra, I'd swear I'd subscribe. 1215057;1438082008;mircea_popescu;why waste the paper tho ? 1215058;1438082019;shinohai;Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. 1215059;1438082020;mircea_popescu;i'd rather have the trees. 1215060;1438082063;shinohai;Me too, so I do advocate recycling newsprint. 1215061;1438082087;mircea_popescu;you can just subscribe to trilema as-is. 1215062;1438082104;mircea_popescu;i dunno about subscription model for qntra, and prolly too soon anyway. 1215063;1438082155;shinohai;I emailed you about subscription a few weeks back. I determined my browser is just an asshole 1215064;1438082206;mircea_popescu;oh you were never getting emails or something ? 1215065;1438082253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27084 @ 0.00053652 = 14.5311 BTC [-] {2} 1215066;1438082255;shinohai;Yes, never got the purchase credits email. 1215067;1438082281;shinohai;I got your personal email that you sent, but you said you had a bug to fix on trilema iirc 1215068;1438082285;mircea_popescu;!s from:mircea shinohai 1215069;1438082285;assbot;39 results for 'from:mircea shinohai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+shinohai 1215070;1438082314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52616 @ 0.00053517 = 28.1585 BTC [-] 1215071;1438082326;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1215072;1438082346;mircea_popescu;well, someone somewhere must be shredding your emails en route. 1215073;1438082390;shinohai;T_T 1215074;1438082496;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214690 << yes it's basically an artefact of parallel construction. has absolutely nothing to do with reality, just a legal fiction. 1215075;1438082496;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 03:12:30; asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher' 1215076;1438082503;mircea_popescu;much like obama. 1215077;1438082603;shinohai;Well the Boy Scouts of America has lifted the ban on gay leaders, so maybe Obama has career options after his term. 1215078;1438082802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00054588 = 4.5308 BTC [+] 1215079;1438082872;shinohai;!s Dmail 1215080;1438082872;assbot;0 results for 'Dmail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Dmail 1215081;1438082889;shinohai;https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/07/28/dmail-promises-self-destructing-gmail-messages/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=rss2&utm_campaign=Feed 1215082;1438082891;assbot;Dmail promises self-destructing Gmail messages | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKSgPn ) 1215083;1438083216;BingoBoingo; Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. << Lately I've been liking w3m 1215084;1438083241;shinohai;I like w3m a lot 1215085;1438083275;mircea_popescu;pretty sure w3m also saves your pages if you tell it to. 1215086;1438083282;shinohai;A lot of features I need to get up to speed on but it's nice. 1215087;1438083572;BingoBoingo;w3m is also a nice web browser for shoving into other places like emacs 1215088;1438084192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214852 << well they've meanwhile started stealing people's shit. so they'd just take the van. 1215089;1438084192;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 03:52:09; phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now. 1215090;1438084266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47850 @ 0.00054655 = 26.1524 BTC [+] {2} 1215091;1438084268;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214859 << reason being "can't be arsed". generally this sort of thing is kept as a reserve measure. just like i go "unless you straighten up missy there's that inch thick stick over there by the wall", putin goes "if you block rt i'ma drop pirate radios all over the us" 1215092;1438084268;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 03:53:39; asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour. 1215093;1438084300;mircea_popescu;very few all-out wars happen in nature. watch the nature channel for the lowdown of this, ever wondered "so why doesn't this dumb buck just gore the other one ???" 1215094;1438084416;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214884 << this fails to make any sense. how's "freedom of thought" morphed into "Freedom to broadcast" ? thoughts are silent. blessfully. 1215095;1438084416;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:01; coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies 1215096;1438084453;mircea_popescu;nor is there, nor was there ever, nor will there exist for as long as fucking life on earth a "right to speak". freedom to speak, yes, but this is very fucking different. 1215097;1438084491;mircea_popescu;the controlling issue being, that no one may ~prevent~ you from speaking, provided a silence for your speech was made by the people. but there god damned shan't nor should be a mechanism to MAKE that silence so you may speak. 1215098;1438084502;mircea_popescu;chiefly because fuck you. 1215099;1438084647;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214889 << all. 1215100;1438084647;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:32; phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later 1215101;1438084677;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214890 << i'd like to hear you justify your crazy notion that monopoly somehow takes justification. 1215102;1438084677;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:50; decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum? 1215103;1438084707;mircea_popescu;a monopoly is a monopoly. it is not better somehow magically for "being justified". it takes no justification whatever past the very simple test of its existence. 1215104;1438086043;jurov;if you don't limit yourself to the one most overcrowded frequency band, then there are plenty of options 1215105;1438086141;jurov;there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience 1215106;1438086920;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214919 << the erect penis is the only thign in short supply. everyone wants it, men and women alike. for this particular schmuck, the irresistible deal is that he gets to act as if he has oine, and he doesn't even need to have it! 1215107;1438086920;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:08:48; asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex 1215108;1438086933;mircea_popescu;which is why iut's worth more than the simple 20 dollar half and half 1215109;1438086949;mircea_popescu;exactly the case of that schmuck who wanted random ho to NOT BE SEEN with the black dudes she fucks. 1215110;1438086979;mircea_popescu;the fact that he couldn't get it up aptly reflected in the fact that nobody ended up with a mouthfull of ballsac for derping about how "he's racist" etc. 1215111;1438087051;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214929 << most people never will have, nor should ever have, that much dispoisable income, ever. 1215112;1438087051;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:12:17; coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months 1215113;1438087073;mircea_popescu;so this problem should be fixed at the top, and coincidentally it's getting so fixed. 1215114;1438087131;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214935 << mno. actually... because YOU COULDN'T (drink em). same penis argument as above. 1215115;1438087131;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:16:21; phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could 1215116;1438087192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214940 << but this is why he was funny : a fool representative of the current generation. if he were dressed in the fool of the 1700s we'd think he's pagliacci and mistake it all for high culture. 1215117;1438087192;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 04:18:59; asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do. 1215118;1438087825;mircea_popescu;"Mister buff deserves no mercy. As you torture this guy remind yourself constantly that your woman would like to fuck him! Beat his pretty ass bro!" 1215119;1438087829;mircea_popescu;lol lafond has soem issues. 1215120;1438091647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.000549 = 22.3992 BTC [+] 1215121;1438092865;decimation;re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency' 1215122;1438092890;decimation;and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck 1215123;1438098107;mats;http://europe.newsweek.com/pentagon-plans-more-support-ukraine-buffer-zone-mooted-330874 1215124;1438098108;assbot;Pentagon Plans More Support for Ukraine as Buffer Zone Mooted ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMY1Hw ) 1215125;1438099170;jurov;;;ticker 1215126;1438099171;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.52, Best ask: 296.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 295.52, 24 hour volume: 26563.57329353, 24 hour low: 288.53, 24 hour high: 298.93, 24 hour vwap: None 1215127;1438100326;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1215128;1438100334;ascii_field;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122438.msg11970644#msg11970644 << l0ltr0n1c 1215129;1438100336;assbot;[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDURJW ) 1215130;1438100698;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/16FR22R.txt << l00k ma, no glibc 1215131;1438100700;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDVXp1 ) 1215132;1438100740;ascii_field;the binary is a full MB smaller than glibc stator, too 1215133;1438100747;ascii_field;(surprised no one noticed last night) 1215134;1438100879;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214992 << for some, toy, for others - yoke 1215135;1438100879;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 09:47:42; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy? 1215136;1438100903;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214999 << what do these folks eat? sunlight ? 1215137;1438100903;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 10:35:43; mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid. 1215138;1438100940;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215031 << l0l! 1215139;1438100940;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 10:59:43; mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d 1215140;1438100994;ascii_field;(did anybody actually get 'rotor' running, or mircea_popescu et al are only clapping in anticipation ?) 1215141;1438101058;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215105 << one can get something other than a small bottle of water for 5 eur ? 1215142;1438101058;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience 1215143;1438101062;shinohai;I haven't yet ascii_field, I am still doing the required reading. ( musl doesn't work for me) 1215144;1438101075;ascii_field;shinohai: os/arch ? 1215145;1438101080;ascii_field;and what means 'doesn't work' 1215146;1438101117;shinohai;OS Debian 8. Built a binary just fine but it doesn't run. :/ 1215147;1438101127;ascii_field;what does it do instead ? 1215148;1438101128;shinohai;lemme find error log. 1215149;1438101139;jurov;ascii_field: what do you mean? i'm having full meal with soda for 5e 1215150;1438101156;ascii_field;with soda & shortwave radio ? 1215151;1438101201;shinohai;http://paste.debian.net/286989/ 1215152;1438101202;assbot;debian Pastezone ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDXHP8 ) 1215153;1438101204;jurov;? 1215154;1438101214;ascii_field;shinohai: see step 17 1215155;1438101217;ascii_field;in instructions 1215156;1438101230;ascii_field;then come back and say 1215157;1438101319;shinohai;Starts then crashes, lemme restart real quick. 1215158;1438101402;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VM6kCh9AA ascii_field this one 1215159;1438101403;assbot;Tesco World Radio. RAD-108 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDYi3g ) 1215160;1438101430;ascii_field;jurov: notbad 1215161;1438101545;shinohai;Ok ascii_field that works fine, thx. Next step for me is to attempt an arm build. 1215162;1438101566;ascii_field;shinohai: very easy 1215163;1438101584;shinohai;Easy for the expert to say xD 1215164;1438101597;ascii_field;shinohai: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << use as basic guide 1215165;1438101598;assbot;[BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca ) 1215166;1438101657;shinohai;This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself? 1215167;1438101667;ascii_field;nono 1215168;1438101676;ascii_field;don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo 1215169;1438101704;shinohai;I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility. 1215170;1438101710;shinohai;*is 1215171;1438101754;ascii_field;so shinohai is a winner! first fella to repeat 'rotor' ? 1215172;1438101772;shinohai;yay! 1215173;1438101778;*;ascii_field takes off hat 1215174;1438101800;shinohai;If you leave enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters, they shall reproduce the works of Shakespeare 1215175;1438101850;shinohai;I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. 1215176;1438101885;jurov;only if you allow both the monkeys and the typewriters to procreate 1215177;1438101902;mod6;<+shinohai> I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. << i hit the same problem as trinque 1215178;1438101921;shinohai;What issue did trinque have? 1215179;1438102385;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1215180;1438103359;trinque;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/28/tech-nsa-to-purge-phone-records-cache-planned-parenthood-site-under-attack/ << utter. bullshit. 1215181;1438103361;assbot;Tech: NSA to purge phone records cache; Planned Parenthood site under attack - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1xSd ) 1215182;1438103368;trinque;the first; I don't give a shit about the second. 1215183;1438103546;ascii_field;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/29/the-uber-ization-of-porn << i distinctly remember seeing that photo before - in a mircea_popescu link ?? 1215184;1438103548;assbot;The Uber-ization of porn - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1HJi ) 1215185;1438104013;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215180 <<< But they PINKY SWEAR! 1215186;1438104013;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 17:09:19; trinque: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/28/tech-nsa-to-purge-phone-records-cache-planned-parenthood-site-under-attack/ << utter. bullshit. 1215187;1438104185;trinque;just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk" 1215188;1438104226;trinque;the device diddling is probably comprehensive by now; who needs to collect data at the ISP level? 1215189;1438104243;trinque;or rather, who needs to collect data from anywhere other than the devices around a target 1215190;1438104252;trinque;this is just progress! 1215191;1438104264;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1215192;1438104296;ascii_field;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204226 1215193;1438104296;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 04:10:23; asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing 1215194;1438104369;trinque;ascii_field: they damned well do have the "keys" to android, iOS, so on 1215195;1438104370;scoopbot_revived;The tragedy of the US legal system isn't that it fails to deter terrorism, but that it actively CREATES terrorism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/28/the-tragedy-of-the-us-legal-system-isnt-that-it-fails-to-deter-terrorism-but-that-it-actively-creates-terrorism/ 1215196;1438104377;trinque;nobody needs to collect data from AT&T 1215197;1438104414;ascii_field;trinque: mass trawling is not only cheaper but less 'glass cannon' than snarfing from individual device 1215198;1438104433;ascii_field;(in the latter, there is always a chance that victim - notices) 1215199;1438104479;ascii_field;... or even that victim is an annoying bugger who keeps honeypots 1215200;1438104513;trinque;in the case of cell phones my assumption is that they can read memory from the baseband 1215201;1438104531;trinque;what's to detect other than baseband firmware that was already there? 1215202;1438104569;ascii_field;if the point is to switch on the microphone, camera - victim might notice 1215203;1438104581;ascii_field;(if he is in the habit of sniffing packets, or examining the eeprom) 1215204;1438104602;ascii_field;(why the latter? modern 'bugging' is typically of the 'store and forward' school of thought) 1215205;1438104670;trinque;makes sense, intermittent bursts of packets vs a constant stream 1215206;1438105307;trinque;ah fuck, now I remember. 1215207;1438105309;trinque;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/04/lindsey-graham/lindsey-graham-freedom-act-means-less-privacy-phon/ 1215208;1438105310;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt5ps7 ) 1215209;1438105325;trinque;ascii_field: the phone companies themselves are now the "bulk collectors" 1215210;1438105339;ascii_field;were, always 1215211;1438105394;trinque;yep 1215212;1438107403;trinque;jurov: I can't change settings on the ml, yet I have cookies enabled 1215213;1438107416;trinque;specifically I'm set not to receive messages. is this because my mail was bouncing before? 1215214;1438107439;trinque;I re-enabled non-tls connections on my own mailserver; pls halp? 1215215;1438107464;jurov;what host do you use? several domains are aliased there, "therealbitcoin.org" whould work 1215216;1438107569;trinque;that's the one I'm on 1215217;1438107578;trinque;redirects to the screen to enter your password when I save settings 1215218;1438107687;trinque;jurov: if it's easier, I just want delivery on, digest off, mime on 1215219;1438108742;jurov;trinque i tested it, it does set the options but does not do any feedback 1215220;1438108787;trinque;jurov: for you are the newly set options displayed on the next pageload? 1215221;1438108797;trinque;when I reload the page, still says disabled 1215222;1438108805;*;trinque tries firefox 1215223;1438108842;jurov;when i submit it shows back the log in page 1215224;1438108854;jurov;after relogin it shows changed options 1215225;1438108893;trinque;yeah, mine aren't changing 1215226;1438108895;trinque;in either firefox or chrome 1215227;1438109077;ben_vulpes;http://25iq.com/2015/07/25/a-dozen-things-ive-learned-from-paul-tudor-jones-about-investing-and-trading/ << we haven't done much investment philosophy since tat and the samovar readings... 1215228;1438109079;assbot;A Dozen Things I’ve Learned from Paul Tudor Jones About Investing and Trading | 25iq ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwrgjy ) 1215229;1438109134;ben_vulpes;in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”" 1215230;1438109339;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski dat perel 1215231;1438109339;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1215232;1438109350;jurov;trinque try waiting 10 minutes and login again to see the options. according to http headers, the options page gets cached, gotta fix it :( 1215233;1438109359;trinque;ah ok 1215234;1438109465;trinque;jurov: "Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 30-Jun-2015." 1215235;1438109476;trinque;perhaps an admin must re-enable? 1215236;1438109506;shinohai;I hate cross compilation. 1215237;1438109546;trinque;buildroot woes? 1215238;1438109647;trinque;jurov: according to quick googling, an admin will have to remove me from a blocklist in the "membership management" page 1215239;1438109650;trinque;sorry, my fault. 1215240;1438109672;shinohai;Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner. 1215241;1438109685;shinohai;Back to Gentoo. 1215242;1438109693;trinque;crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet. 1215243;1438109713;shinohai;I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian. 1215244;1438109737;trinque;I see the wisdom of buildroot though, really limits the number of variables 1215245;1438109816;shinohai;I'm sure it is a good thing for someone with far more experience with this sort of thing than I. :/ 1215246;1438110122;trinque;imagine your luck, bumping into another world of things to learn. 1215247;1438110179;trinque;ben_vulpes: your method of writing bash such that it can be sourced for functions is top notch. 1215248;1438110204;trinque;aka, yoink. 1215249;1438110220;ben_vulpes;'tis the only way to work with this pile of crud. 1215250;1438110245;ben_vulpes;i've no patience for commenting out chunks of build scripts to determine why for example boost has failed to compile 1215251;1438110274;ben_vulpes;what i am going to do is type `compile_boost' at the cli, and it is going to behave the way i want it to. 1215252;1438110297;ben_vulpes;how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind. 1215253;1438110311;punkman;http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2015/07/stop_pushing_th.html 1215254;1438110312;assbot;Stop pushing the web forward - QuirksBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwrXcG ) 1215255;1438110465;trinque;ben_vulpes: nick at am was the bash wizard, impressed upon me the power of the pipe 1215256;1438110480;ben_vulpes;pipe did no wrong 1215257;1438110496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00053525 = 17.9844 BTC [-] 1215258;1438110578;shinohai;well trinque I love a challenge, sometimes a step back and moar research is required for me though. 1215259;1438110593;trinque;certainly 1215260;1438110604;jurov;trinque you're set now to receive email 1215261;1438110608;trinque;jurov: thank you sir 1215262;1438110620;jurov;and configuration is now set to no-cache too 1215263;1438110681;jurov;my aws setup was so far most ddos resistant.. but it's pita to set up 1215264;1438112082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00053517 = 13.5146 BTC [-] 1215265;1438112617;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1215266;1438112650;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215252 << stator and rotor are kludges until the buildroot packages (as alluded to last night) are done. 1215267;1438112650;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 19:04:57; ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind. 1215268;1438112718;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215242 << thing is, as i currently understand, buildroot is the ~only~ way to build musl bitcoin 1215269;1438112718;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:53; trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet. 1215270;1438112734;ascii_field;can't use glibc toolchain to build binaries with musl 1215271;1438112795;ascii_field;so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable. 1215272;1438112936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00053517 = 30.6652 BTC [-] 1215273;1438113762;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes right ! perel's probably the most interesting author i've come across this year. 1215274;1438113781;pete_dushenski;she might also be the only chick on my 'mega-recommended book list' 1215275;1438113878;*;pete_dushenski checks list 1215276;1438113925;pete_dushenski;will durant's wife, ariel, is also on the list. so i guess esther isn't alone after all. 1215277;1438113929;pete_dushenski;so much for that theory 1215278;1438114569;mats;http://berlin.ccc.de/~tobias/31c3-ss7-locate-track-manipulate.pdf << on 'SS7', used by telecoms netops for unauthenticated comms 1215279;1438114610;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: what's the difference between musl and glibc? 1215280;1438114631;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1215281;1438114636;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html 1215282;1438114637;assbot;Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQi5O ) 1215283;1438114648;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: but, more pertinently - less shitgnomery 1215284;1438114667;ascii_field;!s drepper 1215285;1438114668;assbot;17 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper 1215286;1438114674;ascii_field;^ his absence - is enough for me 1215287;1438114714;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCkO0fWWqc << related to 'SS7' 1215288;1438114715;assbot;Karsten Nohl: Mobile self-defense [31c3] (SnoopSnitch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQvG8 ) 1215289;1438114869;pete_dushenski;http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25251782/cardinals-add-jen-welter-to-coaching-staff-first-female-coach-in-nfl << can't say i saw this coming. 1215290;1438114870;assbot;Cardinals add likely first-ever female coach to a NFL team's staff - CBSSports.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQTV7 ) 1215291;1438114895;pete_dushenski;^for BingoBoingo and other sportistes 1215292;1438114994;pete_dushenski;i guess if there's going to be a female coach in any pro sport, it'll be the one with the most coaches per team. 1215293;1438115014;pete_dushenski;much harder to crack the seal in hockey or basketball 1215294;1438115021;pete_dushenski;mebbe baseball wouldn't be so bad. 1215295;1438115057;*;pete_dushenski mulls over a boobies in baseball bitbet prop. 1215296;1438115083;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ep2pl/gold_bugs_the_original_buttcoiners/cthk335 heh buttcoiners love buttgold 1215297;1438115085;assbot;rini17 comments on Gold bugs: The original buttcoiners ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsZiDx ) 1215298;1438115178;pete_dushenski;"Yer face divorced buttgold long ago." << i loled 1215299;1438115212;shinohai; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1136964.msg11989271#msg11989271 1215300;1438115214;assbot;I think I was robbed for 48 bitcoin! Blockchain log HACKED? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRWV4 ) 1215301;1438115278;mats;searching logs is a pain in the ass nao 1215302;1438115437;trinque;shinohai: beautiful how bitcoin forces hard definitions, such as for "own" and "understand" 1215303;1438115447;trinque;guy thinks he understands bitcoin because he can use the UI of a qt program 1215304;1438115462;trinque;gets his hand blown off, maybe, or at least has the fear put in him. 1215305;1438115465;shinohai;Some ppl should not be allowed to use BTC 1215306;1438115471;trinque;well, he'll learn on his own 1215307;1438115485;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/Amazing_Maps/status/625755498583838720/photo/1 << i told you guys borders were a flexible notion. see ? even the googs agreeth. 1215308;1438115485;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1215309;1438115489;shinohai;I haven't used QT in like 2 years 1215310;1438115514;*;ascii_field isn't sure he ever saw the gui client up close & alive 1215311;1438115566;shinohai;I'd rather learn how thins actually work instead of getting bloated versions with useless "features" 1215312;1438115575;shinohai;*things 1215313;1438115593;ascii_field;anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client. 1215314;1438115716;ben_vulpes;how would he know we exist? 1215315;1438115741;ascii_field;how did we learn that he exists 1215316;1438115975;shinohai;Educating oneself on how change addresses work couldnta hurt. 1215317;1438116013;pete_dushenski;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134322.0 << for log readers into physical crypto coins, i (still!) have a few lealana silver ltc pieces for sale. i'm accepting offers. dun be shy. 1215318;1438116015;assbot;[WTS] FUNDED Batch 1 (2013) Lealana Silver Litecoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMTNZQ ) 1215319;1438116045;shinohai;O.o pete_dushenski You sell physical coins? 1215320;1438116081;pete_dushenski;only these. 1215321;1438116092;pete_dushenski;i'm no nubbins` 1215322;1438116120;ascii_field;l0l, spiffy paperweight 1215323;1438116123;ascii_field;why part with it ? 1215324;1438116124;shinohai;I love silver, dunno why. I bought some stuff from bigtimespaghetti on there. 1215325;1438116175;ascii_field;(inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!) 1215326;1438116191;pete_dushenski;ascii_field these coins are likely worth more to someone else than it is to me. 1215327;1438116227;pete_dushenski;physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box 1215328;1438116242;pete_dushenski;shinohai wadja buy ? 1215329;1438116305;jurov;pressing coins is high tech. they just leave chunks dry 1215330;1438116413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000549 = 20.862 BTC [+] 1215331;1438116462;shinohai;@ pete_dushenski Bought some goxxed coins and a couple of Unobtanium bars 1215332;1438116471;shinohai;Even tho I despise altcoins now. 1215333;1438116481;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1215334;1438116540;pete_dushenski;goxxed coins ? weren't those just paper promises sold by bagholders to suckers during gox's meltdown ? 1215335;1438116548;shinohai;xD 1215336;1438116571;shinohai;http://anarcoins.com I think was his site. Been over a year ago. 1215337;1438116655;shinohai;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Goxxed1.jpg 1215338;1438116657;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt1MBF ) 1215339;1438116776;pete_dushenski;lol fucken eh does fat bastard ever look like he has down syndrome 1215340;1438116800;pete_dushenski;that's some deep art right there. 1215341;1438116837;shinohai;If nothing else, it is like all my USG silver. I can melt it into skulls one day. 1215342;1438116897;pete_dushenski;ha ! 1215343;1438116954;pete_dushenski;i dub thee shinohai : 'the torturing pragmatist' 1215344;1438116997;shinohai;hue 1215345;1438117072;shinohai;One day maybe I'll commission a #b-a silver bitcoin. 1215346;1438117078;pete_dushenski;and with that, i'm off again. toodaloo ! 1215347;1438117086;shinohai;We can put mircea_popescu's head on it 1215348;1438117846;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215121 < all monopoly must be defended all the way, which means all the way to physical violence. 1215349;1438117846;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 14:14:25; decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency' 1215350;1438117856;ascii_field;mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000135.html << neato 1215351;1438117857;assbot;[BTC-dev] v0.5.4-TEST1 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt3hQe ) 1215352;1438117867;mircea_popescu;for which reason there exists an effectual challenge to monopoly, such as "organised resistance" via "sindicalism". 1215353;1438117885;mircea_popescu;prooving to the monopolist he's nopt ready or not able to shoot as many as it takes === defeating the monopoly. 1215354;1438117999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24638 @ 0.00054708 = 13.479 BTC [-] 1215355;1438118063;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215136 << you're the one not fucking them, explain to the public why not. sure as hell they'd "coachsurf" in your livingroom as well as any other as well as any other cockroach, if you allowed it, so why aren;t you ? 1215356;1438118063;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 16:28:23; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214999 << what do these folks eat? sunlight ? 1215357;1438118078;mircea_popescu;because sunlight eaters make for "poor company", is it ? so then. 1215358;1438118084;ascii_field;wai wut 1215359;1438118089;*;ascii_field must be thick; confused 1215360;1438118153;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: when tuned (vs sparkgap!) radio first appeared, the extension of traditional land rules to the spectrum seemed like a logical thing. because 'trespassers' in radio were loud and stationary, and easily detected. but this does not have to be so! 1215361;1438118183;mircea_popescu;aha. so ? 1215362;1438118193;ascii_field;with sdr, law could be just as effective against 'radio pirate' as it is against rats and mice. 1215363;1438118220;mircea_popescu;Finally, my question: All of my transactions into the Trezor showed up as confirmed as soon as they got confirmed, however the send transaction (through Coinbase at our donation web sites) took hours to show up as confirmed in the myTrezor wallet even though it had many, many confirmation on blockchain.info 1215364;1438118220;mircea_popescu;It did not cause any issues, I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this weird delay. 1215365;1438118220;mircea_popescu;BTW: Homeland Security was storing all the seized Bitcoins on a Trezor that they either purchased or seized from someone else! 1215366;1438118222;mircea_popescu;herp. lol. 1215367;1438118237;mircea_popescu;ascii_field iirc there is a deisgn for the practical use of this, awaiting its completers on trilema. so what of it ? 1215368;1438118253;ascii_field;aha the parasite relay 1215369;1438118265;ascii_field;just pointing out the connection to the 'radio monopoly' thread linked earlier. 1215370;1438118271;mircea_popescu;yes. the one thing distributed barely detectable weak emitters is actually used for. 1215371;1438118271;ascii_field;specifically, 1215372;1438118278;ascii_field;noting that spectrum is not actually same as land. 1215373;1438118281;mircea_popescu;ah, i thought you were saying you're confused somethiong 1215374;1438118286;mircea_popescu;yes, spectrum is same as land. 1215375;1438118292;ascii_field;confused re: the sunlight folks 1215376;1438118295;ascii_field;unrelated. 1215377;1438118319;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1215378;1438118426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43814 @ 0.00054708 = 23.9698 BTC [-] 1215379;1438118505;ascii_field;re: spectrum, it can be made to resemble land less and less (what is the land-trespass equivalent of spread-spectrum transmission ?) 1215380;1438118535;mircea_popescu;dude every wp link seems dumber than the previous. can't discern if it's because i'm getting smarter or they're "hiring" worse and worse congenital retards, but anyway. ima stop clicking 1215381;1438118590;mircea_popescu;ascii_field women can be made to resemble women less and less and less, doesn't mean sarah silverman is now some sort of "transcendent post-gender bla bla" categorically different thing. 1215382;1438118664;ascii_field;point was, 'property right' is only as interesting as the ability to enforce it 1215383;1438118670;mircea_popescu;for sure. 1215384;1438118703;ascii_field;(otherwise we have disney pulling own cock) 1215385;1438118706;mircea_popescu;if you recal my out of hand rejection of property as an analytical tool in a previous discussion about what htings ARE, you won't be surprised it applies here. 1215386;1438118713;mircea_popescu;propety is a convention not a quality. 1215387;1438118722;ascii_field;aha 1215388;1438118729;ascii_field;!s what colour are your bits 1215389;1438118730;assbot;2 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits 1215390;1438118748;mircea_popescu;(for ref, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-07-2015#1209754 ) 1215391;1438118748;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2015 15:32:26; mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ? 1215392;1438118997;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://www.dailystormer.com/sick-jew-sarah-silverman-hosts-night-of-a-thousand-vaginas-to-fund-abortion 1215393;1438118998;assbot;Sick Jew Sarah Silverman Hosts ‘Night of a Thousand Vaginas!’ To Fund Abortion | Daily Stormer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt4QOc ) 1215394;1438119045;mircea_popescu;i had nfi idea bad postcards from the 1920s "deeply offend jews". how did they make it through the early 1900s if this is the case is anyone's guess. 1215395;1438119056;trinque;"A chaste, responsible White mother with her children. Scenes like this deeply offend the Jews???" 1215396;1438119058;trinque;bahahaha 1215397;1438119065;mircea_popescu;o wait - they didn't! clearly. which is why holocaust was a lie tututuuu! 1215398;1438119072;mircea_popescu;makesensenow.lol 1215399;1438119176;trinque;that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women 1215400;1438119202;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215187 << aham. 1215401;1438119202;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 17:23:05; trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk" 1215402;1438119238;mircea_popescu;trinque she'd be ok, except she has this by now very pointedly obvious sex fright issue which kind-of ruins her entire shtick by enveloping it in a very strong stale loser odor. 1215403;1438119261;mircea_popescu;but hey, maybe she runs into princess donna one day, does one of those public humiliation things and comes to humanity. 1215404;1438119304;trinque;yeah, her comedy isn't great; says "vagina" and tries to play cute 1215405;1438119353;mircea_popescu;it's cute the first 300 times. after which it starts to occur that "why am i hanging in a room where a 40 yo woman that STILL has dumb virgin perisexual issues derps on ?" 1215406;1438119557;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215229 << this is about at the level of "i am looking for a HB8.5 for my wife." 1215407;1438119557;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 18:45:34; ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”" 1215408;1438119624;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215240 << aaaaaand failure mode. 1215409;1438119624;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:32; shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner. 1215410;1438119630;mircea_popescu;this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us. 1215411;1438119747;shinohai;I'm not giving up. Just need a breather then perhaps it will clarify itself for me. 1215412;1438119770;shinohai;My first stator build failed at least 6 times. 1215413;1438119772;mircea_popescu;sure. problem still exists irrespective of how you handle it. 1215414;1438119799;mircea_popescu;"The innovation machine is running at full speed in the wrong direction." << heh. yes, keep copies of your old browsers, for the new ones will be less and less useful. 1215415;1438120078;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/17AP46M.txt 1215416;1438120080;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6lvL ) 1215417;1438120080;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1215418;1438120109;trinque;mats: it's probably that character 1215419;1438120126;mats;¶¶ << ? 1215420;1438120148;mats;fucking unicode... 1215421;1438120159;trinque;I continue to discover new character sets which cause some or another component to barf 1215422;1438120161;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/011XQCD.txt 1215423;1438120162;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6sra ) 1215424;1438120162;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1215425;1438120163;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/011XQCD.txt 1215426;1438120164;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6sra ) 1215427;1438120165;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1215428;1438120201;mats;oops 1215429;1438120211;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/30Z50ZG.txt 1215430;1438120212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6vDw ) 1215431;1438120213;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1215432;1438120231;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1215433;1438120257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00054996 = 3.1073 BTC [+] 1215434;1438120264;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215410 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215271 1215435;1438120264;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 21:40:30; mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us. 1215436;1438120264;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 19:46:35; ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable. 1215437;1438120299;trinque;ah, oop in common lisp just arrived 1215438;1438120301;trinque;yay 1215439;1438120309;ascii_field;keene ? 1215440;1438120315;trinque;yessir 1215441;1438120343;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/30P294T.txt 1215442;1438120344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt6Fut ) 1215443;1438120345;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1215444;1438120362;mats;fucking unicode 1215445;1438120478;mats;any guesses on what character its moaning about this time trinque? 1215446;1438120575;ascii_field;trinque et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/keene.djvu 1215447;1438120581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh8DY ) 1215448;1438120626;trinque;mats: there's a "section" sign in the footnotes 1215449;1438120632;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/343DZ6K.txt 1215450;1438120633;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxhiLz ) 1215451;1438120633;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1215452;1438120645;trinque;and that one's not signed 1215453;1438120667;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1SCC0H7.txt 1215454;1438120669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxhomj ) 1215455;1438120670;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1215456;1438120674;mats;yeah, oops 1215457;1438120695;trinque;I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature 1215458;1438120707;trinque;so oops on my part as well 1215459;1438121042;mats;;;tslb 1215460;1438121050;gribble;Time since last block: 4 minutes and 10 seconds 1215461;1438121186;mats;;;isup trilema.com 1215462;1438121189;gribble;trilema.com is down 1215463;1438122452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3143 @ 0.00111 = 3.4887 BTC 1215464;1438124531;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215457 <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite 1215465;1438124531;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 21:58:15; trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature 1215466;1438125157;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/nymex-oil-futures-hit-fresh-four-month-low-1438052636 1215467;1438125158;assbot;Brent Falls to Lowest Price Since January - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyeWQY ) 1215468;1438125178;BingoBoingo;Lol again http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/07/28/1855254/dhi-group-inc-announces-plans-to-sell-slashdot-media 1215469;1438125180;assbot;DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyf0Qz ) 1215470;1438125316;shinohai;nobody wants slashdot lel 1215471;1438125719;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1215472;1438125747;BingoBoingo;Prolly will still sell for more than Digg 1215473;1438128056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform true enuf. 1215474;1438128102;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo funny, was just lolled at here. 1215475;1438128246;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215296 << "reject our assumptions AND YOU REJECT REALITY FOOL!111" 1215476;1438128246;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 20:24:43; jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ep2pl/gold_bugs_the_original_buttcoiners/cthk335 heh buttcoiners love buttgold 1215477;1438128341;mircea_popescu;"wow ok. Sounds like nobody thought it would get this big. 1215478;1438128341;mircea_popescu;They need to make the next version use a better database system that is not linearly. 1215479;1438128341;mircea_popescu;Simple fix then to a very big problem." 1215480;1438128356;mircea_popescu;gotta love tardstalk. almost as good as washington post, in that it's not merely written by retards, 1215481;1438128359;mircea_popescu;but by esl retards. 1215482;1438128397;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215313 << thankfully. 1215483;1438128397;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 20:33:13; ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client. 1215484;1438128412;mircea_popescu;the "some people should not use" observation is apt. 1215485;1438128482;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215327 << this reminds me of christina applegate wanting to buy a car, being quoted in "k"s and raiding the cornflakes boxes for them 1215486;1438128482;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 20:43:47; pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box 1215487;1438128586;mircea_popescu;in other news : http://hardhandsworld.tumblr.com/post/83217145416 bitches be the hardest on bitches. 1215488;1438128587;assbot;Hardhands World of Spanking ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkABxJ ) 1215489;1438128632;shinohai;Wonderful, it even has an rss feed. 1215490;1438128685;nubbins`;muscle memory is a weird thing 1215491;1438128700;nubbins`;i coulda SWORN i just typed in my pgp passphrase completely and utterly wrong 1215492;1438128703;nubbins`;fingers mashing everywhere 1215493;1438128710;nubbins`;somehow: 100+ chars, no mistakes 1215494;1438128737;nubbins`;mircea_popescu asciilifeform "physical doge" was totally a thing. iirc copper rounds? 1215495;1438128753;nubbins`;https://shibemint.com/ 1215496;1438128755;assbot;Shibe Mint ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkAZfR ) 1215497;1438128802;nubbins`;dogecoin belongs in a "classic hype machines of the information age" textbook 1215498;1438128846;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215464 << 7bit, but not only this, you also get mutilation (escaped dashes) 1215499;1438128846;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 23:02:11; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215457 <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite 1215500;1438128955;nubbins`;for a while i was paid to develop bespoke widgets for "microsoft sharepoint", a CMS/DMS that is the biggest piece of shit you'll never see 1215501;1438128992;nubbins`;no kidding, every now and then some internal piece of code would return an array of strings as a single, very large string, with entries separated by the escape string "#;" 1215502;1438129041;nubbins`;move over CSV, P/SCSV is the new kid in town 1215503;1438129067;asciilifeform;pr0gr355!!111 1215504;1438129124;nubbins`;they also reappropriated all these general words like "Site" and "Web" and gave them specific definitions 1215505;1438129140;asciilifeform;embrace, extend, extinguish (tm) (r) (microshit) 1215506;1438129143;nubbins`;and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site 1215507;1438129150;nubbins`;but of course they didn't update the API 1215508;1438129153;nubbins`;so: 1215509;1438129169;nubbins`;Web mySite = new Web(); would create a Site object 1215510;1438129181;nubbins`;Site myWeb = new Site(); would create.... 1215511;1438129194;*;nubbins` facepalms thrice, runs out of hands, uses desk 1215512;1438129209;phf;a good common lisp book to have in addition to keene's clos book is AMOP http://www.amazon.com/The-Metaobject-Protocol-Gregor-Kiczales/dp/0262610744 1215513;1438129211;assbot;The Art of the Metaobject Protocol: Gregor Kiczales, Jim des Rivieres, Daniel G. Bobrow: 9780262610742: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkBWor ) 1215514;1438129282;nubbins`;anyway i gotta fuck off talking about that 1215515;1438129294;nubbins`;having a bad tech day and reminiscing about nightmares past isn't helping 1215516;1438129336;asciilifeform;phf et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/metaobject.djvu 1215517;1438129353;asciilifeform;(to go with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215446 ) 1215518;1438129353;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 21:56:15; ascii_field: trinque et al: http://nosuchlabs.com:8000/keene.djvu 1215519;1438129383;asciilifeform;nubbins`: actually 1215520;1438129404;asciilifeform;nubbins`: this is probably a good time to mention a historical thesis i've chewed on in my head, on and off, for a decade or so 1215521;1438129412;phf;hehe, maybe you also have PAIP in djvu? 1215522;1438129418;asciilifeform;phf: yes 1215523;1438129423;asciilifeform;phf: gotta dig it out 1215524;1438129434;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing 1215525;1438129474;asciilifeform;specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud 1215526;1438129494;asciilifeform;(and crown thug force, and usg monopoly concessions) 1215527;1438129535;asciilifeform;if you read the primary 'current warz' crap from 1880s-90s, it is hauntingly similar to microshit in 1990s-2000s 1215528;1438129608;nubbins`;smooth talkers win more often than not 1215529;1438129616;asciilifeform;it wasn't just any 'smooth talk' 1215530;1438129620;asciilifeform;it was a very specific thing 1215531;1438129655;nubbins`;i find people don't want X so much as they want the experience of choosing/buying/being sold X 1215532;1438129676;asciilifeform;not how winblowz gets on lusers' desks. 1215533;1438129685;asciilifeform;perhaps in 1980s - yes 1215534;1438129686;nubbins`;nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things 1215535;1438129695;nubbins`;once the foot's in the door, sure, act changes 1215536;1438129698;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Y0HGnRZNg 1215537;1438129698;assbot;Ashley All Day - Don't Play - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54jVV ) 1215538;1438129704;nubbins`;nowadays they're riding the wave 1215539;1438129705;asciilifeform;it becomes 'institution' 1215540;1438129709;asciilifeform;and 'how it always was' 1215541;1438129711;nubbins`;and we're all using AC 1215542;1438129725;nubbins`;and windows uh, what is it now? 10? 1215543;1438129730;*;nubbins` can't keep track 1215544;1438129737;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc new york city's remaining dc grid was only shut down a year or two ago ! 1215545;1438129749;nubbins`;! 1215546;1438129750;asciilifeform;(there were lifts, etc. still on it) 1215547;1438129758;nubbins`;i vaguely recall this 1215548;1438129775;nubbins`;or was it the pneumatic water-based lift thing 1215549;1438129782;nubbins`;memory fails me. 1215550;1438129786;asciilifeform;http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/san-franciscos-secret-dc-grid << they still have 1215551;1438129787;assbot;San Francisco’s Secret DC Grid - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54wbF ) 1215552;1438129790;asciilifeform;or did in '12 1215553;1438129883;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai played with Dillo today. Seems to be promising "graphical" www browser 1215554;1438129883;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1215555;1438129919;asciilifeform;http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0 1215556;1438129922;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1U54PmR ) 1215557;1438129948;nubbins`;Bleyle admits that repairs can be pricey, especially hand-rewinding a DC motor, which can run between US $30 000 and $40 000. But he says even a refurbished motor looks cheap compared with the $500 000 cost of replacing the elevator, not to mention the months of involuntary stair climbing during the upgrade. 1215558;1438129948;nubbins`;“Usually people just go for the motor,” says Bleyle. 1215559;1438129952;nubbins`;i like this guy 1215560;1438129969;nubbins`;at some point in my life, i'd like to require the rewinding of a motor 1215561;1438129977;nubbins`;fairly unlikely at this point tho. 1215562;1438130084;shinohai;Looks pretty interesting BingoBoingo, bookmarked. 1215563;1438130141;asciilifeform;at any rate, if you go and read edison's writings, you get a very similar flavour of 'idiot savant / malicious imbecile' as from bill gates 1215564;1438130155;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Seems to address the much neglected niche of graphical www without any scripting. Apparently default browser on 'raspian' 1215565;1438130163;asciilifeform;ditto steve jobs 1215566;1438130196;nubbins`;jobs is marginally interesting for having fessed up to LSD usage, but as i understand it was generally a piece of shit otherwise 1215567;1438130231;shinohai;I have never owned a RasPI ... I can usually scrounge up a shitty laptop or something and load Debian on it xD 1215568;1438130262;asciilifeform;shinohai: it has the distinction of being the singularly worst-performing and most closed-source-chipsety machine for the money 1215569;1438130271;nubbins`;http://www.gifdome.com/uploads/5/0/4/6/50461919/5885922_orig.gif 1215570;1438130273;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkE4MX ) 1215571;1438130273;asciilifeform;(usb and nic share a bus!) 1215572;1438130309;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ?! 1215573;1438130330;shinohai;Heh. I have only "owned" 1 apple product ever, an ipad and that lasted a week before I gave it away in disgust. 1215574;1438130402;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You should really try a B&W Mac 1215575;1438130404;shinohai;Laptop I have now came with Win 8, which I never even booted in to. 1215576;1438130452;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: other than as word processor, what can you use that thing for ? 1215577;1438130469;shinohai;Playing "Oregon Trail" ? 1215578;1438130477;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Time travel 1215579;1438130486;BingoBoingo;nostalgia, archaeology 1215580;1438130491;asciilifeform;well yes 1215581;1438130497;phf;ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons 1215582;1438130505;nubbins`;heh 1215583;1438130508;*;nubbins` shrugs 1215584;1438130517;*;shinohai may die of dysentery if he gets one. 1215585;1438130518;nubbins`;for a time, i developed "app store" apps as a hobby 1215586;1438130519;asciilifeform;but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian 1215587;1438130526;asciilifeform;(unless he fesses up to being archaeologist) 1215588;1438130528;nubbins`;ended up with an iphone, ipad, macbook... 1215589;1438130573;shinohai;I had a musician friend in Berlin that loved Macbooks for music. Specialized use tho. 1215590;1438130575;nubbins`;ipad sorta sucks now because it can't run the latest iOS and essentially zero new apps target the old versions 1215591;1438130582;nubbins`;so it's essentially frozen in time 1215592;1438130601;nubbins`;macbook, still going strong. typing on it now while InDesign pumps out dead tree sheets 1215593;1438130605;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i can even see how this was sorta justified by crapple (has 1 core, no gpu!) 1215594;1438130618;BingoBoingo; ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons << Bought one used with defunct vertical line on screen. Played with then closeted, then recycled. Prolly should have kept it. 1215595;1438130622;asciilifeform;nubbins`: but what was their excuse for freezing support for 2009 macbooks ?! 1215596;1438130641;asciilifeform;the ones sold today are the same fucking x86_64 as the 2007 and on 1215597;1438130648;asciilifeform;so what gives 1215598;1438130661;shinohai;It's like buying a Ferrari with the hood welded shut. 1215599;1438130696;BingoBoingo; but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian << I recommend this one because hypercard. As a dare, for the ones that get it realize not all "advances" are such. 1215600;1438130725;asciilifeform;i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels 1215601;1438130729;asciilifeform;but to each - his own 1215602;1438130745;nubbins`;asciilifeform they froze support for 2009 macbooks?! 1215603;1438130749;shinohai;How is Crapples iWatch thing going does anyone know? 1215604;1438130751;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha 1215605;1438130763;asciilifeform;nubbins`: they sure did. 1215606;1438130768;*;nubbins` has late-2008, is running second-latest OS 1215607;1438130810;asciilifeform;nubbins`: got an a1237 in the fleet - won't ever upgrade. 1215608;1438130821;BingoBoingo; i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory. 1215609;1438130832;phf;BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was 1215610;1438130844;asciilifeform;mcl was glorious 1215611;1438130870;BingoBoingo;phf: I still kinda want a G3 or G4 iMac 1215612;1438130871;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 & http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658 1215613;1438130873;assbot;Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1U578pU ) 1215614;1438130874;assbot;Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1U575uf ) 1215615;1438130878;asciilifeform;damn http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658 1215616;1438130880;assbot;Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1U575uf ) 1215617;1438130885;asciilifeform;ah there. 1215618;1438130896;asciilifeform;^ for n00bz 1215619;1438130900;nubbins`;ah, a1237 = "air"? 1215620;1438130905;asciilifeform;aha 1215621;1438130910;nubbins`;i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down. 1215622;1438130912;nubbins`;single-use, no? 1215623;1438130915;asciilifeform;wat 1215624;1438130918;nubbins`;XD 1215625;1438130921;asciilifeform;perhaps next year's ! 1215626;1438130923;phf;i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio 1215627;1438130925;nubbins`;we can only hope! 1215628;1438130948;nubbins`;i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope 1215629;1438130950;nubbins`;like an asshole 1215630;1438130950;asciilifeform;os 9 was the last actual apple os 1215631;1438131031;nubbins`;cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else 1215632;1438131039;asciilifeform;aha 1215633;1438131063;nubbins`;srsly, NSInteger, NSString, etc 1215634;1438131086;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-12-2014#948999 << see also. 1215635;1438131086;assbot;Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow) 1215636;1438131114;nubbins`;in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee. 1215637;1438131133;asciilifeform;if you're a kid in calcutta watching a b&w tv, where americans drink it - then yes! 1215638;1438131168;asciilifeform;the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS 1215639;1438131172;asciilifeform;for no good rational reason. 1215640;1438131184;nubbins`;people like starbucks for no good rational reason either 1215641;1438131188;asciilifeform;possibly the fact that it was not made by microshit and did not have the familiar msdos ANYWHERE in it 1215642;1438131190;nubbins`;"it's good" fuck you, no it's not. 1215643;1438131210;asciilifeform;nubbins`: 'starbucks' is in same mental category as microshit, in my mind 1215644;1438131220;asciilifeform;because there are virtually no other coffee shops, as such, where i live 1215645;1438131230;nubbins`;as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit 1215646;1438131236;asciilifeform;it tastes like shit 1215647;1438131241;asciilifeform;because they mandatorily overcook 1215648;1438131246;nubbins`;that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark. 1215649;1438131253;nubbins`;|0| 1215650;1438131278;nubbins`;starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts" 1215651;1438131296;nubbins`;they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness 1215652;1438131297;*;asciilifeform always suspected that 'starbucks' is dominant for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with food, or with consumers choosing x over y 1215653;1438131311;nubbins`;but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices. 1215654;1438131333;nubbins`;starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee. 1215655;1438131374;asciilifeform;i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ? 1215656;1438131386;asciilifeform;is it some brain infection ? 1215657;1438131390;nubbins`;why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing? 1215658;1438131398;nubbins`;why would a rapper buy a ferrari instead of some GICs? 1215659;1438131409;asciilifeform;the only reason i can picture is if they are convinced that the real thing cannot be had 1215660;1438131423;nubbins`;starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists 1215661;1438131426;nubbins`;they think they're drinking it. 1215662;1438131428;asciilifeform;but that anyone would ~choose~ the fuffle - is beyond my puny brain 1215663;1438131467;nubbins`;;;google trappings of power site:thelastpsychiatrist.com 1215664;1438131468;gribble;The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Hate Her Because She's Successful: ; No Self-Respecting Woman Would Go Out Without Make Up: ; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: 1215665;1438131472;nubbins`;^ 1215666;1438131472;asciilifeform;yes, it 1215667;1438131486;BingoBoingo; is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners" 1215668;1438131498;nubbins`;we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors 1215669;1438131513;nubbins`;first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for 1215670;1438131525;nubbins`;second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her 1215671;1438131544;nubbins`;i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag 1215672;1438131552;asciilifeform;l0l 1215673;1438131558;BingoBoingo;Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles 1215674;1438131588;nubbins`;the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else 1215675;1438131590;mats;http://www.metacritic.com/tv/halt-and-catch-fire this is p good 1215676;1438131592;assbot;Halt and Catch Fire - Season 1 Reviews - Metacritic ... ( http://bit.ly/1U59162 ) 1215677;1438131602;nubbins`;mats i enjoyed it 1215678;1438131613;nubbins`;asciilifeform ^ 1215679;1438131636;nubbins`;mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking 1215680;1438131638;mats;my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket 1215681;1438131639;nubbins`;but hey 1215682;1438131656;asciilifeform;mats: if it's no secret, what was your motivation in the first place for it ? 1215683;1438131663;mats;yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot 1215684;1438131668;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one 1215685;1438131672;asciilifeform;mats: i ask, because i've never (afaik) met anyone who ~decided consciously~ to study it 1215686;1438131680;mats;asciilifeform: access. 1215687;1438131689;asciilifeform;? 1215688;1438131740;mats;curiosity, access, and power. 1215689;1438131764;mats;hence my narrow focus on exploitation. 1215690;1438131826;phf;starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks" 1215691;1438131829;asciilifeform;mats: i have never personally known anyone who achieved great power or access to astonishing s33kr1tz through re. but i am willing to concede that somewhere, they exist. 1215692;1438131846;nubbins`;phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada 1215693;1438131852;nubbins`;it's actual swill 1215694;1438131859;nubbins`;people love it 1215695;1438131877;asciilifeform;phf: this described mcd, yes. but starbucks also has a kind of pretentious-twit appeal (or once had) 1215696;1438131881;nubbins`;it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic 1215697;1438131891;nubbins`;because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road 1215698;1438131899;asciilifeform;but i dare say that at this point, it's a microshit: 1215699;1438131911;asciilifeform;if i feel like coffee, i get to choose between shitbux and the office pot. 1215700;1438131988;ben_vulpes;our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town. 1215701;1438131999;phf;i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring.. 1215702;1438132006;nubbins`;phf maybe there is! 1215703;1438132010;nubbins`;maybe you could open one 1215704;1438132013;ben_vulpes;who wants brooklyn roasted beans 1215705;1438132023;nubbins`;people in brooklyn 1215706;1438132024;ben_vulpes;they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste 1215707;1438132028;asciilifeform;there used to be a drinkable coffee in wash.,dc 1215708;1438132032;nubbins`;real coffee shops filter their water 1215709;1438132034;asciilifeform;but it recently starbuxized 1215710;1438132041;ben_vulpes;how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting? 1215711;1438132045;asciilifeform;(started mega-roasting or whatever it is they do) 1215712;1438132063;ben_vulpes;nubbins`: shops, maybe. in some place, maybe. not here. 1215713;1438132069;mats;asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work. 1215714;1438132071;*;nubbins` shrugs :D 1215715;1438132089;nubbins`;phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination 1215716;1438132095;asciilifeform;aha 1215717;1438132098;phf;nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia 1215718;1438132099;*;asciilifeform thought this was well-known 1215719;1438132105;nubbins`;asciilifeform actually not! 1215720;1438132110;ben_vulpes;true for good chocolate as well. 1215721;1438132132;ben_vulpes;my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so. 1215722;1438132152;nubbins`;:o 1215723;1438132163;shinohai;Hey there is always Kopi Luwak 1215724;1438132173;asciilifeform;point being, the only coffee i or anyone i know can readily access in <10 min., is office pot or shitbux 1215725;1438132182;nubbins`;shinohai Kopi Luwak is 100% for rubes 1215726;1438132189;asciilifeform;because that's what's in every street corner. 1215727;1438132191;ben_vulpes;you know me, alf! 1215728;1438132192;shinohai;indeed 1215729;1438132195;nubbins`;0/10, would not buy 1215730;1438132198;asciilifeform;know in meatspace 1215731;1438132205;ben_vulpes;i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll. 1215732;1438132213;ben_vulpes;you and your usaschwitz. 1215733;1438132217;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes lives in some very other country 1215734;1438132221;asciilifeform;which i've never been to 1215735;1438132226;nubbins`;kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee 1215736;1438132229;asciilifeform;and could no more move to than france or argentina 1215737;1438132235;nubbins`;pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea 1215738;1438132242;nubbins`;and sell the beans for $150/lb 1215739;1438132258;asciilifeform;nubbins`: when i learned about this coffee, as a boy, i immediately wondered why they use this animal and no other 1215740;1438132267;ben_vulpes;eh, optimize performance for elemental 1215741;1438132269;nubbins`;the animal naturally likes coffee cherries 1215742;1438132271;asciilifeform;why not feed it to horses, cows 1215743;1438132273;nubbins`;picks the choicest ones 1215744;1438132274;ben_vulpes;pull in 120k, live on 80k. 1215745;1438132275;asciilifeform;pigs 1215746;1438132278;asciilifeform;they'll eat whatever 1215747;1438132285;shinohai;I always feel like reddit started that trend or something 1215748;1438132301;nubbins`;nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. 1215749;1438132340;nubbins`;i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour 1215750;1438132350;BingoBoingo; nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean. 1215751;1438132353;nubbins`;but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10 1215752;1438132354;asciilifeform;i bet pigs would work just as well 1215753;1438132357;asciilifeform;esp. if bred for the task 1215754;1438132368;nubbins`;jamaican blue mountain, same shit 1215755;1438132371;nubbins`;people buying a name 1215756;1438132380;nubbins`;too stupid to realize that coffee is produce 1215757;1438132386;nubbins`;and just because a farm had a great crop one year 1215758;1438132394;nubbins`;doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great 1215759;1438132404;nubbins`;or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink 1215760;1438132422;BingoBoingo; i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use. 1215761;1438132430;nubbins`;heh 1215762;1438132437;shinohai;LOLZ 1215763;1438132442;ben_vulpes; the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous 1215764;1438132443;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you need an animal which doesn't immediately croak from caffeine 1215765;1438132450;nubbins`;^ 1215766;1438132453;nubbins`;most won't eat it 1215767;1438132458;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Monsanto the Doge!!! 1215768;1438132464;nubbins`;hell, most humans won't eat coffee 1215769;1438132503;nubbins`;(was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says) 1215770;1438132522;BingoBoingo;"Roundup Ready" can probably be introduced into Doge via certain primate CYP450A1 alleles 1215771;1438132522;asciilifeform;let's package'n'sell ~his~ turds? 1215772;1438132531;nubbins`;would not eat 1215773;1438132545;nubbins`;asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post 1215774;1438132552;asciilifeform;nubbins` wouldn't. civet degustatorz - yes 1215775;1438132552;nubbins`;!s the buggers held full control 1215776;1438132553;assbot;2 results for 'the buggers held full control' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+buggers+held+full+control 1215777;1438132572;ben_vulpes; it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak 1215778;1438132621;phf;asciilifeform: http://bumpngrind.co are supplied by a dc roaster, without "blends" 1215779;1438132624;assbot;Bump 'n Grind | Coffee. Music. Food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5crWd ) 1215780;1438132652;nubbins`;blends are lame 1215781;1438132655;asciilifeform;phf: neat. unfortunately i'm not in that town often 1215782;1438132656;nubbins`;it's all about single-origin these days 1215783;1438132669;nubbins`;turns out coffee has incredibly complex flavours 1215784;1438132677;ben_vulpes;(single-estate if you can get it) 1215785;1438132683;nubbins`;^ 1215786;1438132689;ben_vulpes;which, trivial. 1215787;1438132691;nubbins`;i used to buy beans from sweetmarias.com 1215788;1438132696;nubbins`;top quality 1215789;1438132698;ben_vulpes;beans over the internet? 1215790;1438132699;ben_vulpes;o.O 1215791;1438132700;asciilifeform;see, i want something much more realistic - drink which is not ~deliberately~ shit-flavoured 1215792;1438132701;nubbins`;green ones. 1215793;1438132704;nubbins`;roast 'em at home. 1215794;1438132704;ben_vulpes;ah. 1215795;1438132706;ben_vulpes;aha. 1215796;1438132717;nubbins`;($12 hit-air popcorn popper is a very capable roaster) 1215797;1438132720;nubbins`;*hot-air 1215798;1438132728;nubbins`;low volume tho. 1/4cup at a time. 1215799;1438132733;ben_vulpes;i have enough hobbies tyvm 1215800;1438132744;nubbins`;later, i re-wired a breadmaking machine and heatgun combo into a roaster 1215801;1438132746;asciilifeform;'want a glass of beer? here's some sand, some lime, some hop seeds...' 1215802;1438132750;nubbins`;heh 1215803;1438132758;nubbins`;asciilifeform a roast takes ~6 minutes in a popper 1215804;1438132767;nubbins`;if you like your beans dark 1215805;1438132785;BingoBoingo;lol, not enough "GreeK" crises http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/07/los_angeles_and_boston_olympic_bids_we_should_force_cities_to_participate.html 1215806;1438132786;assbot;Los Angeles and Boston Olympic bids: We should force cities to participate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkI680 ) 1215807;1438132799;nubbins`;https://www.sweetmarias.com/category/green-coffee/africa-and-arabia/ethiopia 1215808;1438132801;assbot;Ethiopia ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkI9AJ ) 1215809;1438132805;nubbins`;^ a great place to start if you're curious 1215810;1438132819;nubbins`;Yirga Cheffe is hands-down my favourite coffee origin 1215811;1438132821;phf;asciilifeform: it was a reasonable guess :) 1215812;1438132933;phf;nubbins`: i always thought blends are like multigrain breads, a way to have a brand separate from the product, so you can easily substitute your sources 1215813;1438132948;asciilifeform;aha, mcdonaldization 1215814;1438132949;nubbins`;ah, yep. 1215815;1438132955;nubbins`;precisely so 1215816;1438132962;nubbins`;this is done different ways in different places. 1215817;1438132983;nubbins`;kenya, for example: all coffee is sold through government auction, where the beans are sorted not by quality, original, processing method, etc but by SIZE. 1215818;1438133026;nubbins`;colombia: all coffee sold through government ("juan valdez"), always blended to produce well-rounded, nice, but uninteresting cups 1215819;1438133072;nubbins`;compare with most of central america, ethiopia, and others, where you can go to an actual farm and say "i want THESE beans" and receive said beans 1215820;1438133106;nubbins`;(sweet maria's often makes deals direct with farmers, bypassing "fair trade" and the requisite fee structure while also giving farmers more of the money for themselves) 1215821;1438133149;nubbins`;phun phact, you have to pay TransFair $0.10 for each coffee bag you print the "fair trade" logo on 1215822;1438133176;*;asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans 1215823;1438133191;asciilifeform;y'know, like everybody in, e.g., buenos aires, can 1215824;1438133210;nubbins`;heh 1215825;1438133216;nubbins`;and nobody in bogota can ;) 1215826;1438133218;asciilifeform;i get it, it is possible to 'gentooize' just about anything 1215827;1438133219;phf;oh i was wondering why i never see kenyan beans from roasters. ethiopia, rwanda 1215828;1438133220;asciilifeform;even coffee 1215829;1438133231;nubbins`;asciilifeform there are plenty of small-batch gourmet roasters that sell online 1215830;1438133236;nubbins`;"coffee subscriptions" are a thing, even. 1215831;1438133240;asciilifeform;yes 1215832;1438133243;asciilifeform;this is gentooization 1215833;1438133247;nubbins`;:D 1215834;1438133247;asciilifeform;it means work 1215835;1438133341;nubbins`;http://freshofftheroast.com/ 1215836;1438133343;assbot;Fresh Off the Roast | Current Coffee Inventory ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5dpSD ) 1215837;1438133345;nubbins`;right in DC 1215838;1438133361;asciilifeform;nubbins`: but ~not~ <10min from my middle-of-nowhere $office 1215839;1438133367;nubbins`;nope! 1215840;1438133371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00053846 = 17.2307 BTC [-] {2} 1215841;1438133376;asciilifeform;hence same as if importing by post from ethiopia or whatever. 1215842;1438133376;nubbins`;you'd actually have to -- gasp -- go buy the beans 1215843;1438133385;asciilifeform;ergo - gentoo. 1215844;1438133386;phf;gentooization is the norm of usg living 1215845;1438133393;nubbins`;or do you only eat bread from sandwich shops? 1215846;1438133410;asciilifeform;bread from market 1215847;1438133423;asciilifeform;there is a coffee man there, also. but he sells starbuxified crapbeans 1215848;1438133437;nubbins`;ehh. 1215849;1438133450;nubbins`;if your complaint is that the thing you want is not literally within 10 minutes of your home 1215850;1438133457;nubbins`;i'm not sure why i'm trying to help you find a solution 1215851;1438133460;asciilifeform;it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires 1215852;1438133466;asciilifeform;didn't say there was a solution, l0l 1215853;1438133471;nubbins`;and i've got a two-minute walk. 1215854;1438133476;nubbins`;maybe you need to move to a new city ;p 1215855;1438133478;asciilifeform;yes, i can gentooize it and get real coffee 1215856;1438133494;asciilifeform;but what i actually want is to live in the civilized world. 1215857;1438133514;nubbins`;where specialty coffee is not delivered to your door twice monthly, but within walking distance 1215858;1438133516;asciilifeform;y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to 1215859;1438133535;nubbins`;hey, if you're in the other washington, china is to the west 1215860;1438133555;nubbins`;why in the fuck is the yellow print head printing black ink? 1215861;1438133560;*;nubbins` rages 1215862;1438133616;nubbins`;good thing i've gotten 0 accomplished since 2pm 1215863;1438133736;phf;гудбай америка о, страна где я не буду никогда 1215864;1438133827;asciilifeform;^^^ 1215865;1438133970;nubbins`;printed some cool SHARKS today, tho 1215866;1438133970;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/eyq1HvL.jpg 1215867;1438133971;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5ebPp ) 1215868;1438133978;BingoBoingo; y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to << I'd hate to see the alternate history where your parents moved you to ben_vulpes's west 1215869;1438134122;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/btS5cmQ.jpg 1215870;1438134123;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5eGc4 ) 1215871;1438134144;nubbins`;had hoped to get the other 2 colours down today, but.. 1215872;1438134219;nubbins`;yesterday's work: http://imgur.com/0gIP0Rc 1215873;1438134220;assbot;Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5eSbA ) 1215874;1438134821;nubbins`;ok, actually have to throw printer out window. seeya 1215875;1438135428;phf;BingoBoingo: there's an entire generation of foreigners who believed in the america of coca cola commercials and schwarzenegger movies. they thought the aspirational simulacrum is the real deal. so of course moving here was a huge letdown. 1215876;1438135439;phf;there's a lot of russian jews working at NIH, self style soviet dissidents, who now run various research departments same way as they were doing it back then. the common sentiment is basically "we've been had for a pair of chinese jeans" 1215877;1438135454;phf;the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. 1215878;1438135460;BingoBoingo;I can see that. 1215879;1438135513;BingoBoingo;Only Hollywood movies where CIA is an antagonist are the ones where Tom Cruise works for a still more secret agency 1215880;1438135768;mats;not so secret, the IMF 1215881;1438136142;BingoBoingo;The only really appealing thing from any of those films I've seen was the gum. 1215882;1438136164;gernika;There's a generation of americans that believed in those ads and movies too. 1215883;1438137384;decimation;phf: I think this is the root of about 90% of euro hate on the us 1215884;1438137421;decimation;yarvin pointed this out as well: you failed to live up to the america you propagandised us into believing in! 1215885;1438137476;shinohai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg 1215886;1438137477;assbot;Amerika - Rammstein (English Subtitles) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtDUOs ) 1215887;1438137499;decimation;which is why they spaz out whenver something slightly right-wing happens in the us, and meanwhile award obama the nobel 1215888;1438137707;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: didn't take you for a mission impossible fan. 1215889;1438137765;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform as a pot smoking hippie in some alternate reality...the stuff good sitcoms are made of 1215890;1438137781;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1215891;1438137782;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.74, Best ask: 294.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 294.73, 24 hour volume: 13251.94979111, 24 hour low: 293.1, 24 hour high: 297.72, 24 hour vwap: None 1215892;1438137789;mircea_popescu;lol this is going to be painful. 1215893;1438137807;decimation;shinohai: yes exactly that 1215894;1438137946;mircea_popescu; the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. << word srsly. 1215895;1438138030;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215506 << i recall laughing at people for this reason a decade ago. 1215896;1438138030;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:19:03; nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site 1215897;1438138083;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215524 << that continuity is simply the immemorial, stone-like continuity of stupidity. 1215898;1438138083;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:23:54; asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing 1215899;1438138149;mircea_popescu;the avatars of "common sense" as held by the mentally stunted adult roman woman of "respectable extraction" would find exact equivalents in the heads of your new york rachel fucktard today, or in the heads of british imbecile a century ago, or wherever else. and it'd take them all of half an hour to start nodding approvingly at each other 1215900;1438138177;mircea_popescu;a facility which is both why so very few women do anything notable and at the same time why stuff like language even maintains any sort of continuity over time. 1215901;1438138210;mircea_popescu;"gotta support the team!" 1215902;1438138227;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2e7VkHwYbI 1215903;1438138228;assbot;"Hey man, I'm just trying to support the team." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNyszt ) 1215904;1438138343;decimation;lol from the youtube comments of that Amerika song: "There is absolutely nothing positive in germany that comes from America. America's entire auto industry re-packages their cars from German made models. This model of doing business is used on every thing America sells. " 1215905;1438138349;decimation;"And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" 1215906;1438138361;decimation;^ this is true and completely untaught in the us 1215907;1438138381;mircea_popescu;so not true. 1215908;1438138382;decimation;(assuming he is talking about the forced repatriation of ethnic germans 1215909;1438138402;mircea_popescu;they came up with thje "let's put a lawnmower engine in ten cubic meters of injected plastic" thing all on their own 1215910;1438138414;mircea_popescu;next you knew, bmw and mercedes were falling over each othert toi make "suv"s 1215911;1438138438;decimation;yeah, big trucks sell well in the us 1215912;1438138459;mircea_popescu;except these are suzukis with horns. 1215913;1438138464;decimation;there's a weird cultural thing in america about minivans 1215914;1438138472;mircea_popescu;1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can't climb a 3% incline. 1215915;1438138489;decimation;somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn't - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff 1215916;1438138506;decimation;? trucks in the us have gigantic engies 1215917;1438138569;mircea_popescu;some do 1215918;1438138584;mircea_popescu;srsly, look at the "affordable" set. 1215919;1438138589;decimation;it's quite common to see them fitted with diesels that generate more than 400 brake hp 1215920;1438138596;BingoBoingo; "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" << Pretty sure German actually was on the GMO crop train first 1215921;1438138607;decimation;well, yes it is true to see trucks like that are very expensive 1215922;1438138613;decimation;> $50k 1215923;1438138664;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo true. 1215924;1438138676;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Colorado < cheapass us truck 1215925;1438138677;assbot;Chevrolet Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNzagk ) 1215926;1438138697;mircea_popescu;also, anyone who thinks "america has brought porn" is a fucktard of prime order. 1215927;1438138702;mircea_popescu;swiss brought porn, to america. 1215928;1438138714;mircea_popescu;moreover the notion porn is bad... mmkay. 1215929;1438138737;BingoBoingo;decimation: Not really how it works. Same name covers about 15 very different trucks any given year. 1215930;1438138740;phf;it's sitll pax americana last time i checked, so everyone's a hater 1215931;1438138746;decimation;^ 1215932;1438138775;decimation;not that the trends are looking good 1215933;1438138804;mircea_popescu;phf who'dja chjeck with ? 1215934;1438138897;phf;mircea_popescu: my handlers 1215935;1438138921;BingoBoingo;Anyways the Nordics introduced death to America first when they collapsed Red civilization with biological terrorist attacks. 1215936;1438138966;mircea_popescu;phf lmao whossat ? 1215937;1438139047;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever 1215938;1438139047;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud 1215939;1438139070;mircea_popescu;and for the first time making it worth something projectively. prior to that, it was just measured by the world, as anything. exported to china for its silver weight etc. 1215940;1438139083;mircea_popescu;edison definitely instrumental in all of this, but there's a good half dozen names involved. 1215941;1438139108;decimation;well, europe destroying itself didn't help their case either 1215942;1438139124;mircea_popescu;sort of a reversed lenin equation. "sturdy but dumb" + "aluminum siding salesmen" = $$$ 1215943;1438139131;mircea_popescu;europe lives to destroy itself. 1215944;1438139163;decimation;after wwi anyone who wasn't a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner' 1215945;1438139185;mircea_popescu;still, you know - that old question of "so you want the mike - what are you going to say into it ?" 1215946;1438139189;mircea_popescu;not so hard to be "the winner". 1215947;1438139200;decimation;well, we've seen the 'american century' 1215948;1438139219;mircea_popescu;started pretty good, but eventually meh. 1215949;1438139226;BingoBoingo; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever << Probably actually started when US and Britain fought for monopoly to impress North Americans into maritime service 1215950;1438139226;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud 1215951;1438139227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00053825 = 23.9252 BTC [-] 1215952;1438139227;mircea_popescu;very much like a holywood film i guess. 1215953;1438139249;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, it was a carnegie, and rockefeller, and so on and so on thing 1215954;1438139261;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think it started earlier 1215955;1438139262;phf;i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :) 1215956;1438139285;mircea_popescu;phf most people with your desires just get married. 1215957;1438139295;BingoBoingo;Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations 1215958;1438139313;mircea_popescu;wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ? 1215959;1438139335;mircea_popescu;the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ? 1215960;1438139481;phf;i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same 1215961;1438139813;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/XKCrN 1215962;1438139815;assbot;Should I invest my Bit-Coins? /s : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtsnPZ ) 1215963;1438140584;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1215964;1438140590;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 293.63, vol: 8382.19640739 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 288.496, vol: 4507.16962 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.22, vol: 13006.58501762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 5.3342026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.251941, vol: 18952.00980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 293.50366, vol: 59.48592009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 301.92981164, vol: 81.42906308 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1215965;1438140607;BingoBoingo;Oh davout, looking bullish 1215966;1438140874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81780 @ 0.00053055 = 43.3884 BTC [-] {3} 1215967;1438140881;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215892 << what do you mean by this? 1215968;1438140881;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful. 1215969;1438140935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18679 @ 0.00052801 = 9.8627 BTC [-] 1215970;1438141263;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215958 << what did he expect, running off to usa? 1215971;1438141263;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ? 1215972;1438141308;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/07/after-petition-obama-still-wants-to-try-snowden-for-espionage/ 1215973;1438141309;assbot;After Petition Obama Still Wants to Try Snowden for Espionage | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPg0C ) 1215974;1438141316;asciilifeform;he was permitted to write a book, the very typical 'escaped sov brass' boot, nominally 'edgy' but 100% usg-approved 1215975;1438141328;asciilifeform;*book 1215976;1438141379;mats;snowden deserves to hang 1215977;1438141424;mats;a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately 1215978;1438141426;asciilifeform;for hoarding the goodz 1215979;1438141438;asciilifeform;and serving his usg masters to this day 1215980;1438141448;asciilifeform;yes - hang. 1215981;1438141450;mats;this is not responsible disclosure at any stretch 1215982;1438141455;asciilifeform;fuck 'responsible' 1215983;1438141457;asciilifeform;let'em burn. 1215984;1438141477;mircea_popescu;;;isup trilema.com 1215985;1438141479;gribble;trilema.com is up 1215986;1438141483;mircea_popescu;;;istrilema up.com 1215987;1438141483;gribble;Error: "istrilema" is not a valid command. 1215988;1438141489;mircea_popescu;well something like that. 1215989;1438141498;asciilifeform;the responsible thing to do is to help propel the bastards to hell where they belong. 1215990;1438141523;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it loads here. 1215991;1438141545;BingoBoingo;I find Snowden and Saavis guy a nive contrast. Snowden gets hot stripper wife, Saavis CEO get stripper fired. 1215992;1438141591;mircea_popescu;wait, snowden married ?! 1215993;1438141602;asciilifeform;not afaik ? 1215994;1438141614;asciilifeform;and anyway, snowden is a tv character 1215995;1438141621;asciilifeform;it'd be like saying 'sherlock holmes married' 1215996;1438141632;mircea_popescu;aww 1215997;1438141678;asciilifeform;hardcore philologists may care about the imaginary personal life of a literary character, sure 1215998;1438141708;BingoBoingo; wait, snowden married ?! << Last I checked his girlfriend followed him into exile. 1215999;1438141745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun get what you base this on! 1216000;1438141770;asciilifeform;!s hangout 1216001;1438141771;assbot;48 results for 'hangout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hangout 1216002;1438141793;mircea_popescu;the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on. 1216003;1438141808;asciilifeform;(there is convincing evidence that all the ~good stuff~ - e.g., DEITYBOUNCE, GODSURGE, etc. - is from snowden2 1216004;1438141809;asciilifeform;) 1216005;1438141815;asciilifeform;who was killed 1216006;1438141833;BingoBoingo; who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1 1216007;1438141846;asciilifeform;greenwald helped to lead him to the cork-lined cellar, yes 1216008;1438141872;mircea_popescu;where is this evidence ? 1216009;1438141891;mircea_popescu;not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still. 1216010;1438141899;mircea_popescu;poor criteria for anything but moviemaking, this. 1216011;1438141910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint) 1216012;1438141927;asciilifeform;and the fact that after 'other snowden' published this, greenwald & co claimed contact 1216013;1438141934;asciilifeform;and no more technical docs after this. 1216014;1438141943;asciilifeform;we don't have a corpse, no 1216015;1438141949;asciilifeform;but a spent shell, and some smoke. 1216016;1438141989;asciilifeform;i read 100% of the material attributed to both 'snowdens' 1216017;1438141994;asciilifeform;the difference is a brick in the face. 1216018;1438141998;asciilifeform;very, very clear. 1216019;1438142011;mircea_popescu;care to make this a narrative for my benefit ? 1216020;1438142020;asciilifeform;specifically ? 1216021;1438142024;mircea_popescu;lemme try. 1216022;1438142028;asciilifeform;as in, a formulated hypothesis ? 1216023;1438142031;asciilifeform;lessee 1216024;1438142070;asciilifeform;mr nsa firmware diddler reads morning papers, for months, containing snowden (tm). decides to fuck his employer, who he never really liked 1216025;1438142074;mircea_popescu;so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day 1216026;1438142076;mircea_popescu;something like that ? 1216027;1438142076;asciilifeform;(they make him work a full shift, imagine) 1216028;1438142099;asciilifeform;^ this is one entirely plausible sketch 1216029;1438142103;asciilifeform;i can think of a few others 1216030;1438142130;BingoBoingo; the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap 1216031;1438142136;mircea_popescu;it can only be plausible if simultaneously a) one's never had any sort of interaction wit hthe usg and b) one's stewed for years / millions of words' worth in some armchair generalship club. 1216032;1438142146;asciilifeform;t1 = schmuckden runs off with some paperz, gives to phriendz t2 = found, through one way or another, and nailgunned t3 = snowden (tm) (r) is created 1216033;1438142165;mircea_popescu;this does not explain why bother releasing anything. 1216034;1438142189;asciilifeform;for this, we visit earlier threads re: hangout 1216035;1438142215;asciilifeform;easy hypothesis - sell 'redphones,' 'blackphones,', 'keybase', 'cryptodoesntwork' (tm) (r) 1216036;1438142338;asciilifeform;the 'second leaker' is abundantly clear from the entirely other (interesting, actionable, technically-detailed) nature of the 'ANT catalogue' papers 1216037;1438142339;mircea_popescu;the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself. 1216038;1438142354;asciilifeform;no, based on ANT papers vs all the other garbage 1216039;1438142382;asciilifeform;and the fact that it was 1) out of phase 2) no more where that came from. 1216040;1438142416;asciilifeform;they were also, apparently, unable to entirely suppress the rumour of the existence of 'second man' 1216041;1438142430;asciilifeform;but disposed of him (and anyone who might be able to supply conclusive proof) 1216042;1438142501;asciilifeform;on top of this, the greenwald-poitras-omidyar shitgang never mentioned him again 1216043;1438142501;mircea_popescu;but looky : the fact that some later schmuck had better/different materials 1216044;1438142507;mircea_popescu;does not per se say anything about the earlier one. 1216045;1438142523;mircea_popescu;this is "my girlfriend was a virgin when i met her because her previous boyfriend had a shitty job" 1216046;1438142530;asciilifeform;earlier schmuck, supposedly had 'everything' 1216047;1438142536;mircea_popescu;not so. 1216048;1438142542;asciilifeform;or everything he could fit on his bag of disks 1216049;1438142546;mircea_popescu;aha. 1216050;1438142550;mircea_popescu;he had a bag of dicks. 1216051;1438142555;asciilifeform;which all just ~happens~ to be idiot powerpoint 1216052;1438142559;mircea_popescu;also, he had a "safety stash" 1216053;1438142562;asciilifeform;of 1990s-era programs a la 'echelon' 1216054;1438142568;asciilifeform;that everybody with half a neuron already knew about 1216055;1438142572;mircea_popescu;well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. 1216056;1438142579;asciilifeform;aha. 1216057;1438142587;mircea_popescu;recall that one time when iu had to force "wikileaks" to publish documents ? 1216058;1438142592;asciilifeform;aha 1216059;1438142594;mircea_popescu;still draggedf their feet for almost a whole day. 1216060;1438142605;mircea_popescu;the fact that the barnacles are barnacles does not speak much of the ship. 1216061;1438142611;BingoBoingo; well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. << Greenwald/Guardian did filter the SNowden 1 documents 1216062;1438142612;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3930HSM.txt 1216063;1438142613;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPZ1V ) 1216064;1438142613;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1216065;1438142614;asciilifeform;notice that no one is forcing the buggerz to print anything today. 1216066;1438142616;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2DR6GRT.txt 1216067;1438142617;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPYem ) 1216068;1438142617;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1216069;1438142630;mats;...fucking unicode 1216070;1438142635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fwiw, i've not yet published tons of reams of piles of stuff either. 1216071;1438142654;asciilifeform;well sure 1216072;1438142696;asciilifeform;but the inevitable conclusion is that the greenwald shitgang works for washington 1216073;1438142705;mircea_popescu;that part was never, afaik, disputed. 1216074;1438142710;asciilifeform;because they ~do not actually want the ears cut off the walls~ 1216075;1438142716;mircea_popescu;;;google dear guardian stop being retarded 1216076;1438142717;gribble;Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Trilema Presei on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Dear Mr Gove: what's so 'British' about your 'British ... - The Guardian: if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious << WHich is why the escaped yet utterly contained Snowden1 is known for nothing but powerpoints. Censored and surrounded with phriends. 1216083;1438142787;asciilifeform;but instead help to showcase the muscles thereof 1216084;1438142804;mircea_popescu;the reason they did is that some of the ips were actually traceable to various poorly protected shells. 1216085;1438142813;mircea_popescu;and at the time at least they still thought "we" don't have the list 1216086;1438142815;BingoBoingo;Nothing interesting was ever conveyed by powerpoint 1216087;1438142844;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, that was actually a rather lulzy forced humiliation. 1216088;1438142853;mircea_popescu;they couldn't even let the ips through, because that badly set up. 1216089;1438142896;phf;if corporate sop is anything to go by, it's probably easier to get access to powerpoints (cross-company shared materials), then to actual technical details (contained within individual teams' machines) 1216090;1438142906;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-02-2015#1036040 << see also. 1216091;1438142906;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 04:57:56; asciilifeform: essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout 1216092;1438142913;asciilifeform;^ is when i'll 'believe.' 1216093;1438142957;asciilifeform;and i mean ~genuine~ catastrophe, not 'jam tomorrow' like the opm thing 1216094;1438142969;asciilifeform;as in, army is decimated because $leak 1216095;1438142978;asciilifeform;or pill against rsa they've had since 1993 is revealed 1216096;1438142979;asciilifeform;etc. 1216097;1438143030;phf;lizard hitler's stash 1216098;1438143218;BingoBoingo; lizard hitler's stash << Jurrassic World topping the box office because Lizards are real 1216099;1438143230;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PT2FNJ.txt 1216100;1438143231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx0veM ) 1216101;1438143232;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1216102;1438143232;mats;deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt 1216103;1438143238;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2MMNJ8A.txt 1216104;1438143239;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx0tUa ) 1216105;1438143239;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1216106;1438143277;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2MMNJ8A.txt 1216107;1438143278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mx0tUa ) 1216108;1438143279;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1216109;1438143375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32470 @ 0.00052546 = 17.0617 BTC [-] {2} 1216110;1438143402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess. 1216111;1438143439;mircea_popescu;but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park. 1216112;1438143506;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, which is how snowden (1) got all the stuff in the first place. 1216113;1438143918;mircea_popescu;<phf> lizard hitler's stash <<< yeah, aka "i'll believe this outside phenomena happened if and only if, and only to the degree it, confirms convictions i held previously and independently of reality" 1216114;1438143939;mircea_popescu;the very dangerous dual edged blade of discipline. 1216115;1438144116;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215534 << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. 1216116;1438144116;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:28:06; nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things 1216117;1438144162;mats;;;tslb 1216118;1438144176;gribble;Time since last block: 9 minutes and 8 seconds 1216119;1438144315;BingoBoingo; << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. << Unfortunately for everyone's enshittenment Constanza and Windows 95 ascended to prominence at roughly the same time. 1216120;1438144325;mircea_popescu;aha 1216121;1438144362;BingoBoingo;Windows wasn't really even much of a thing apparently until Windows 95 when the local Walmart had lines for it thanks to "marketing" 1216122;1438144537;scoopbot_revived;Foxy's Quite Almost Craftbot http://trilema.com/2015/foxys-quite-almost-craftbot/ 1216123;1438144545;pete_dushenski;"Drivers who work for Uber should verify their vehicles are insured for commercial use, the Insurance Bureau of Canada said Tuesday after the Alberta government concluded the ride-hailing service's insurance policies don't meet that province's requirements." << ayup. sv's 'sharing economy' is a whole whack of insurance fraud. 1216124;1438144545;BingoBoingo;That was the moment where the transition went from every individual computer manufacterer's branded Microsoft DOS to the unified Windows monolith. It really is no wonder... considering what was going on at IBM in retrospect... that people though OS/2 had a chance 1216125;1438144642;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's looking like to build a working Eulora Imma have to do it like Bitcoin-qt and hit delete a lot. This closed source Nvidia CS-toolkit is no bueno 1216126;1438144800;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216110 << wake me up when surinam takes alaska and there is no army to oppose it. 1216127;1438144800;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 04:16:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess. 1216128;1438144837;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216111 << the difference between a 'opm' beating and a genuine one is that the beaten fella isn't back next week asking for more, at the end of a genuine one 1216129;1438144837;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 04:17:19; mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park. 1216130;1438144842;asciilifeform;instead, he is worm food. 1216131;1438144860;mircea_popescu;there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se. 1216132;1438144866;mircea_popescu;just individual boxers. 1216133;1438144878;asciilifeform;usg is still in the ring. 1216134;1438144883;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. 1216135;1438144889;mircea_popescu;even using x a lot. 1216136;1438144891;mircea_popescu;(x is a pos) 1216137;1438144893;asciilifeform;when obamitler is impaled at nuremberg - then, done, yes. 1216138;1438144911;asciilifeform;when ted turner is publicly bathed in sulfuric acid - then. 1216139;1438144919;mircea_popescu;which is kinda why i was encouraging stuff like "rip off vlc's asciigfx codec and make an emacs eulora client" 1216140;1438144927;mircea_popescu;why turner of all people ? 1216141;1438144931;asciilifeform;random pick. 1216142;1438144936;mircea_popescu;mno. 1216143;1438144942;mircea_popescu;cuz then you're gonna say it was a coincidence. 1216144;1438144947;asciilifeform;l0l 1216145;1438144959;mircea_popescu;or w/e, make a different random pick. 1216146;1438144975;asciilifeform;just basic formula of 'when the lords are lowered into the most abject pederasty' 1216147;1438144989;mircea_popescu;this basic formula of yours stays vague deliberately, for the obvious reason. 1216148;1438145017;asciilifeform;for lack of basic info, yes. i very much believe that i do not know the names of the folks who need to bathe in the acid 1216149;1438145028;asciilifeform;nor are they publicly observable 1216150;1438145029;mircea_popescu;thus therefore what are we talkin aboot. 1216151;1438145033;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. << Apparently the next .1 iteration of Crystal Space seeks to abolish the cs-toolkit dependency. In the interim I'll chop, maybe finally lean diff, and just perhaps make actual patches to shit. 1216152;1438145047;BingoBoingo;Or wait for an emacs client 1216153;1438145059;mircea_popescu;or just do what i do and run a random box for the purpose. 1216154;1438145103;BingoBoingo; there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se. << There was indeed http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/139018852/ufc-dana-white-firing-jacob-duran-twitter-rant 1216155;1438145105;assbot;The UFC's Dana White is stuck in a PR quagmire. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQZMU5 ) 1216156;1438145127;mircea_popescu;ftr : dana is a common female name in romania 1216157;1438145132;asciilifeform;in usa too 1216158;1438145135;mircea_popescu;i have serious issues taking people named dana seriously. 1216159;1438145143;asciilifeform;one of my uni profs, a grey old man, was named that 1216160;1438145152;asciilifeform;wrote a spiffy poker bot 1216161;1438145178;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Boxes are scarce, CPU's are scarce. Imma trying to make St Clair county my bitch while making sure all my computing fits on back for extended periods of time. 1216162;1438145183;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's a "cutman" 1216163;1438145203;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo what's a "cutman" << Stops the bleeding in between rounds. 1216164;1438145223;BingoBoingo;Cutman is the only reason fights of interesting length happen 1216165;1438145225;mircea_popescu;"It was just the latest in a string of calloused comments made by UFC's head honcho -- far from the diplomatic dialogue expected of the largest mixed martial arts organization" 1216166;1438145228;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry... what ?! 1216167;1438145235;mircea_popescu;expected ? by whom ? why ? 1216168;1438145245;BingoBoingo;By Dana. 1216169;1438145249;mircea_popescu;i do not expect the head of a headbashing federation to be "diplomatic", whatever that weans 1216170;1438145259;mircea_popescu;i certainly don't expect the libertard definition of diplomatic to apply. 1216171;1438145264;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with these twerps already. 1216172;1438145270;BingoBoingo;Everything? 1216173;1438145283;mircea_popescu;then they have the gall to mock catholocs for being so-and-so. 1216174;1438145288;mircea_popescu;libertards, worst cult ever. 1216175;1438145315;BingoBoingo;My understanding is this UFC promotion killed the one way for its participants to get side-money at market rates. 1216176;1438145325;mircea_popescu;"It was an expansive decision on the UFC's part, as the promotion claimed its main interest was to legitimize the sport by removing the tacky, albeit characteristic, fight gear that had become an emblem of the polarizing sport" 1216177;1438145327;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. WHAT ?! 1216178;1438145355;mircea_popescu;"The deal was reported to be worth $70 million over six years." 1216179;1438145358;mircea_popescu;bad fucking deal. 1216180;1438145365;mircea_popescu;they should have held out for 55 billion. 1216181;1438145390;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ? 1216182;1438145394;BingoBoingo;Or 5 Billion 1216183;1438145399;mircea_popescu;According to the released figures, a combatant with less than five fights in the UFC will make $2,500 in sponsorship money per fight 1216184;1438145401;mircea_popescu;ahaha WHAT!!! 1216185;1438145410;mircea_popescu;dude gtfo, they pay bums to streetfight more 1216186;1438145420;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ? << They have only recently advanced to insuring "prospects" but stock will come 1216187;1438145425;mircea_popescu;hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ? 1216188;1438145435;asciilifeform;sounds appealing 1216189;1438145439;mircea_popescu;be a star! make money! better career than gavin's! 1216190;1438145440;BingoBoingo; hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ? << I would 1216191;1438145440;asciilifeform;right now its phree 1216192;1438145450;mircea_popescu;this is what you casually forget, when you keep thinking everyone else's doing so much better than you. 1216193;1438145460;mircea_popescu;you neglect to consider that for most people we discuss, this would be a step up. 1216194;1438145466;mats;;;tslb 1216195;1438145485;gribble;Time since last block: 1 minute and 25 seconds 1216196;1438145489;mircea_popescu;gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get. 1216197;1438145495;hanbot;say asciilifeform, can this line from rotor step 6) be devague-ified? "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before." 1216198;1438145506;mircea_popescu;because it's easier to play the clown, and A LOT more hitchhiker hos line up for it. 1216199;1438145509;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that it wouldn't be a step up for me! just think, instead of showing up to the office for a week, just one, just one punch in the head 1216200;1438145522;mircea_popescu;mno. five separate sets of punches in head. 1216201;1438145523;*;BingoBoingo would happily take 2.5 kilodollars to get beat provided a referee exists to call stoppage for tko. USD have been scarce here since misdemeanor thing started 1216202;1438145531;mircea_popescu;after which you maybe get promoited to... 3,5k! 1216203;1438145556;asciilifeform;hanbot: it means that the stator has to be set up in the same way as for classic stator - there is a 'distfiles' dir, the one with MANIFEST, that needs to have the tarballs placed therein 1216204;1438145560;BingoBoingo;Who knows, head may feel better afterwards, would take offer. 1216205;1438145636;asciilifeform;hanbot: you will have a dir, outermost, named what you like - e.g., 'rotor', and then rotor/toolchain and rotor/buildroot-xxx and rotor/stator, inside the latter - quite the same thing as in normal stator, other than the musl patch and the rotor.sh script (replacing the old stator.sh) 1216206;1438145706;asciilifeform;hanbot: the basic idea of 'rotor' is that you have quite the same stator as before, but it is built with a toolchain (gcc and binutils) that were built for the occasion, and use musl 1216207;1438145718;asciilifeform;(optionally) 1216208;1438145750;mircea_popescu;inothernews.jpg, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e4728fd0584907d249ac273bd8804e72/tumblr_mxwqiiUIZj1t6c11vo1_1280.jpg 1216209;1438145752;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2qar ) 1216210;1438145754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66234 @ 0.00051858 = 34.3476 BTC [-] 1216211;1438145765;mircea_popescu;set with http://41.media.tumblr.com/31858a4e9acc69cc6fe429ed843eafbb/tumblr_mxwqiiUIZj1t6c11vo2_1280.jpg 1216212;1438145786;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216196 << gotta understand, the thing i envy gavin and the boxer is the same thing - not-having-to-work+sleep-ad-libitum 1216213;1438145786;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 04:51:29; mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get. 1216214;1438145802;asciilifeform;the lilies of the field, they toil not (tm) (r) 1216215;1438145808;mircea_popescu;yawell. 1216216;1438145813;mircea_popescu;i think the boxers sleep plenty lol. 1216217;1438145817;mircea_popescu;*bang* 1216218;1438145819;mircea_popescu; /snooze 1216219;1438145846;hanbot;asciilifeform aha i see. ty! 1216220;1438145877;asciilifeform;hanbot: i'm still trying to think of some way in which building that thing could possibly be easier ! 1216221;1438145889;asciilifeform;even now it's 95% automagic 1216222;1438145916;BingoBoingo;Other side effect of recent UFC hullabaloo is fighters no longer get to wear distinctive attire into the ring. 1216223;1438145963;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo seems drastically stupid 1216224;1438145965;BingoBoingo;Built a brand on neon trunks covered in skulls, but Reebock doesn't think they can market it? FU 1216225;1438145968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: know that i think about 'sleep ad libitum' all day, every day, of the year. like thirsty man in desert. 1216226;1438145976;mircea_popescu;just drop this "federation" or w/e it's called, start a new one. who gives a shit 1216227;1438145980;mircea_popescu;who asked "ufc" anything. 1216228;1438145990;BingoBoingo;Likely to happen 1216229;1438146008;mircea_popescu;"oh you made it popular ? fuck you. you got no moat, drop dead". 1216230;1438146023;BingoBoingo;Tis the way the world works 1216231;1438146024;mircea_popescu;like shit did "ufc" make dudes beating each other popular. 1216232;1438146025;mircea_popescu;what's next. 1216233;1438146062;BingoBoingo; what's next. << Polish Americans without Asiatic features? 1216234;1438146123;phf;gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful 1216235;1438146152;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215645 << honestly, i occasionally buy their coffee here. the argentines are retarded enough that starbucks is practically the only retailer of non-american coffee. 1216236;1438146152;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:53:50; nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit 1216237;1438146156;BingoBoingo; gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful << USeful enough for its particular role in the proscribed contest 1216238;1438146159;mircea_popescu;they grind it on the spot, too 1216239;1438146184;asciilifeform;all starbucks grinds on the spot 1216240;1438146187;asciilifeform;machine does it 1216241;1438146201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some shops here sell already ground coffee. 1216242;1438146207;asciilifeform;lol!! 1216243;1438146210;mircea_popescu;which is weird, but who am i to argue with the smartest people in the world. 1216244;1438146216;BingoBoingo;In oher news http://philippinefailblog.com/signs/ 1216245;1438146218;assbot;Signs Of Erection | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR0d0I ) 1216246;1438146218;mircea_popescu;which live in a country that's not pobre. 1216247;1438146268;hanbot;asciilifeform well fo' sho' when describing steps, be explicit about antecedents, i'll pay off the department of redundancy police department. 1216248;1438146315;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215655 << the actual thing hurts. 1216249;1438146315;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:56:14; asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ? 1216250;1438146339;asciilifeform;hanbot: the stator in question is precisely the customary stator (with the patches of your choice) but for the patch in 14-1 and the script 14-2 and 14-3 in place of the usual stator.sh and stator_bitcoin_only... 1216251;1438146373;asciilifeform;also the dependency on 'realpath' is abolished. 1216252;1438146386;hanbot;cool deal 1216253;1438146387;asciilifeform;(read rotor.sh, it becomes very clear) 1216254;1438146393;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215670 << joke's on you for giving her an hour's space, seriously. what happened to the good old water squirting flower and buzzer handshake. 1216255;1438146393;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 00:58:45; nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her 1216256;1438146406;asciilifeform;~50 line. 1216257;1438146501;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pray tell, how does, e.g., genuine coffee, hurt ? 1216258;1438146525;mircea_popescu;you know that feeling you get when something happens ? 1216259;1438146529;asciilifeform;i can see the case for armchair war vs genuine war, etc 1216260;1438146532;asciilifeform;but coffee ? 1216261;1438146554;asciilifeform;... something happens ?? 1216262;1438146588;mircea_popescu;yes. like, if you put a dab of icecream on your tongue, or if you open a creaky door, or if you catch a hare running off in the bushline 1216263;1438146597;asciilifeform;aha 1216264;1438146599;mircea_popescu;that. 1216265;1438146614;asciilifeform;but those things are why people live ! 1216266;1438146617;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215399 << tis an exceptionally comely pic of ms. silverman. most of the time she looks like it's laundry day. 1216267;1438146617;assbot;Logged on 28-07-2015 21:32:56; trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women 1216268;1438146620;mircea_popescu;well, some people, yes. 1216269;1438146640;asciilifeform;and others live for what? cocain ? 1216270;1438146640;pete_dushenski;re: http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/silverman2.jpg 1216271;1438146641;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2TJG ) 1216272;1438146651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know it's cocaine. and no, others live for bland. 1216273;1438146678;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: very pretty, but why the face? 1216274;1438146682;asciilifeform;hedgehog up her arse ? 1216275;1438146688;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i dunno, she looks like this clever smart pleasant chick i wouldnt fuck in hs because no accoutrements and too hairy. 1216276;1438146713;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: that's all part of the intrigue and mystery. 1216277;1438146723;asciilifeform;also why are her hands 70 y.o. ? 1216278;1438146723;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the dark hair is, yes, less than ideal. 1216279;1438146729;asciilifeform;transplanted from old man ? 1216280;1438146744;pete_dushenski;lol 1216281;1438146765;pete_dushenski;i dunno, her hands look fit for purpose to me. 1216282;1438146777;asciilifeform;also if she bends any more, her midsection could snap 1216283;1438146782;asciilifeform;like: twig. 1216284;1438146814;asciilifeform;who is this gurl anyway 1216285;1438146820;asciilifeform;journalist? 1216286;1438146827;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un-s2NbRBOY << one of her better bits 1216287;1438146828;assbot;Sarah Silverman's The Aristocrats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2ZAQ ) 1216288;1438146830;*;asciilifeform tries to recall thread 1216289;1438146835;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: 'comedian' 1216290;1438146838;asciilifeform;ah 1216291;1438146853;*;asciilifeform goes off to bed where he belongs 1216292;1438146857;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: She is profesional weed toker exploiter 1216293;1438146885;pete_dushenski;silverman's 'the aristrocrats' is second only to bob saget's 1216294;1438146889;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HW4mPZmKPM << saget. 1216295;1438146890;assbot;Bob Saget - The Aristocrats (complete) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2ZRu ) 1216296;1438146917;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "comedian", shtick mostly consisting of doing the tramp thing 1216297;1438146932;mircea_popescu;or how do you call it in american, ball busting ? 1216298;1438146963;BingoBoingo;yeah 1216299;1438146995;mircea_popescu;which is on some level funny, considering she looks like a 13yo boy escaped from a siberian orphanage, but anyway. 1216300;1438147116;BingoBoingo;Sure, but who will be laughing when Siberia fills with geothermal powered ASICs cooled by geography 1216301;1438147245;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt 1216302;1438147247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU3gE2 ) 1216303;1438147247;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1216304;1438147793;mircea_popescu;mats prolly should put on T too 1216305;1438147835;mats;once this goes through, i'll be updating the comments with a new revision 1216306;1438147841;mircea_popescu;kk 1216307;1438147923;pete_dushenski;"Twitter Inc's shares fell more than 11 percent in extended trade on Tuesday after the microblogging company said its number of monthly average users grew at the slowest pace since it went public in 2013." 1216308;1438147930;pete_dushenski;"Twitter said it had 304 million core users in the second quarter, up from 302 million in the prior quarter." 1216309;1438147957;pete_dushenski;of those two million, how many were bots, one wonders. 1216310;1438147990;pete_dushenski;or hey, mebbe 30 mn people left and 32 mn bots were added in last 3 months. 1216311;1438148011;mircea_popescu;moreover, what the fuck does the "market" expect. what growth on 302 mn ? 1216312;1438148016;mircea_popescu;there's barely that many people online. 1216313;1438148017;pete_dushenski;"Total revenue rose 61 percent to $502.4 million." 1216314;1438148025;pete_dushenski;"The company's net loss narrowed to $136.7 million, or 21 cents per share," 1216315;1438148027;mircea_popescu;yeah and operating loss rose 62% ? 1216316;1438148035;pete_dushenski;still bleeding from the butt. 1216317;1438148038;mircea_popescu;closest to green they ever get. 1216318;1438148061;mircea_popescu;"i got a business idea that allows me to get 302 people vaguely interested while i lose 25 cents to the dollar!!1" 1216319;1438148067;pete_dushenski;and unless they figure out how to squeeze juice from rocks, this may be the closes they ever get. 1216320;1438148082;pete_dushenski;closest* 1216321;1438148115;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well 302 would be bad enough, 302 mn really makes you wonder wtf is the matter with the 'business people' 1216322;1438148181;pete_dushenski;"mebbe if we monetise the billion cell phone users in africa at $0.01 and somehow spend less than that, we'll be scrooge mcduck rich!" 1216323;1438148197;mircea_popescu;basically, "paying 302mn people half a dollar each to derp on our site". 1216324;1438148233;pete_dushenski;each of which, in return, pays every last penny of their spare attention. 1216325;1438148233;mircea_popescu;if you live in the world where a click "is worth" 50 cents or whatever inane bs adwords experts powerpoint back and forth, i imagine it's a great deal. 1216326;1438148273;mircea_popescu;i'd rather buy the uht / utf / whatever the fuck fighting thing was called from earlier 1216327;1438148275;mircea_popescu;than twitter. 1216328;1438148298;pete_dushenski;"Excluding items, Twitter earned 7 cents per share." << where 'items' are 'costs'. but who wants to make a big fuss about those ? 1216329;1438148313;mircea_popescu;the former's not worth the 70 mn either, can have 500 muscle dudes for a lot less than 140k a head. 1216330;1438148468;BingoBoingo;I haven't seen a source yet, but apparently rumours are Twitter hired that Randi Harper chick that Yahoo fired for meth... 1216331;1438148478;mircea_popescu;aww 1216332;1438148487;pete_dushenski;"In the latest turn in the scandal, known as "Deflategate," Goodell said he affirmed the suspension in part because of the new revelation that Brady made "a deliberate effort" to keep investigators from reading text messages stored on the device." << sports leagues own their player's texts/sexts nao ? 1216333;1438148498;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: NFL does 1216334;1438148499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21530 @ 0.00052512 = 11.3058 BTC [+] 1216335;1438148538;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: NFL unlike UFC has a history of established heirarchy this way. 1216336;1438148574;BingoBoingo;Happens which each team has half of a hundred people on the competative roster 1216337;1438148581;hanbot;asciilifeform / ml folks: from where is one supposed to get the items in "manifest"? eg openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz 1216338;1438148602;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215715 << not always. plenty of roasted beans shipped out of costa rica guatemala etc 1216339;1438148602;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 01:08:09; nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination 1216340;1438148693;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: ya, those nfl teams are enormous, which ties into my earlier comment about that new coach chica having a better shot in american football than anywhere else 1216341;1438148738;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Right. NFL coaches very often never played at NFL level because... head trauma slims that pool. 1216342;1438148743;phf;hanbot: upstream. there's mod6's early state of bitcoin posts that have urls/shasums 1216343;1438148774;hanbot;phf i just realized, heh. thx. 1216344;1438148784;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215777 << lmao cemeterynada. 1216345;1438148784;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 01:16:12; ben_vulpes: it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak 1216346;1438148806;BingoBoingo;TwoDogGrave 1216347;1438148822;mircea_popescu;lmao twodogegu 1216348;1438148838;mircea_popescu;finally found a namer for nubbins`'s `. 1216349;1438148843;phf;hanbot: you want message-id CADy547peeZfDJqnuQcq606tEJ_k_nmtBCFe7AYu4UaiOnd9hZQ@mail.gmail.com, UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: A Guide 1216350;1438148903;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I have my doubts baseball will get a female coach anytime soon. Almost all of the coachins stafff is there to go mechanics, and there are skeletal differences. Also every now and then in baseball benches clear to the point managers trade blows 1216351;1438148914;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215805 << how the fuck is it that libertards always end up with "forced participation" as a solution ? 1216352;1438148914;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 01:19:45; BingoBoingo: lol, not enough "GreeK" crises http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/07/los_angeles_and_boston_olympic_bids_we_should_force_cities_to_participate.html 1216353;1438148924;BingoBoingo;Female umpire is perfectly immaginable though 1216354;1438148925;mircea_popescu;oh, "co-ops" don't work because uneconomical ? THEY SHOULD BE MANDATORY 1216355;1438148938;mircea_popescu;oh, our normative ideas about gender dynamics are bs ? SHOULD BE FORCED!!1 1216356;1438148950;mircea_popescu;hey, people laugh at our notions of "earth sciences" ? BUILD CONSENSUS 1216357;1438148954;hanbot;phf perfect 1216358;1438148969;mircea_popescu;whatever happens they always turn around to forced participation, it's like the baseline of libertard. 1216359;1438148970;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: ya, i could totally see that too 1216360;1438149066;mircea_popescu;even fucking obamacare is ultimately the same "our shit dun work make it mandatory" nonsense. 1216361;1438149074;mircea_popescu;im sure it'll work better then, dork. 1216362;1438149186;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Now female general manager could happen in baseball. 1216363;1438149203;BingoBoingo;That seems inevitable actually 1216364;1438149222;mircea_popescu;anyway, props to slate for managing to repackage the "us can't afford to host olympics, unlike both china and russia, because it sucks" into some sort of "do not want" because "notgood". 1216365;1438149229;mircea_popescu;im sure it's not the us, it's the olympics. 1216366;1438149349;BingoBoingo;It's probably both. I mean 2004 olympics didn't kill greece on its own, but was a symptom. 1216367;1438149425;BingoBoingo;Also apparently BIP66 is being credited with solving a consensus bug... even though it caused consesnsus splits http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009697.html 1216368;1438149426;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] Disclosure: consensus bug indirectly solved by BIP66 ... ( http://bit.ly/1H0TrPr ) 1216369;1438149435;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215822 << you live in the wrong country for any sort of that. 1216370;1438149435;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 01:26:16; *: asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans 1216371;1438149445;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lmao idiots. 1216372;1438149495;mircea_popescu;for one thing, that "vulnerability" had been well known, discussed in public here even, for long before the bip derpage. 1216373;1438149501;mircea_popescu;but hey, "it was disclosed". 1216374;1438149574;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215851 << no it's not dude. just because you saw the ~0.6% of this town i chose to show you doth not mean it's uniformly this you know. 1216375;1438149574;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 01:31:00; asciilifeform: it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires 1216376;1438149589;mircea_popescu;most locals can't even aford to live here. 1216377;1438149620;BingoBoingo;Bonus Earth Science: Freshwater Bass are not giant mercury reservoirs, http://www.bnd.com/news/article29265391.html 1216378;1438149621;assbot;Immigrants, poor fish for their dinner, unaware of mercury | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrgW9R ) 1216379;1438149719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51745 @ 0.00054028 = 27.9568 BTC [+] {3} 1216380;1438149820;mircea_popescu;in same old news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/3a55e8b404a3767e0c5f74e66c0f7844/tumblr_mywjdgyIPh1sekvhwo1_250.gif 1216381;1438149821;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irh6Og ) 1216382;1438149856;mircea_popescu;people usually lol at the ridiculous movie depiction of gunfire, but few notice the ridiculousness of gags. 1216383;1438149873;mircea_popescu;seriously, you put a towel over her mouth and she's now silent 4ever ? wd! 1216384;1438149888;mircea_popescu;actual gagging requires inflatable rubber thing. 1216385;1438150142;BingoBoingo;Sure, just how like actual sex requires genitals, unlike in Hollywood 1216386;1438150716;BingoBoingo;!up liquidassets 1216387;1438151005;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve 1216388;1438151366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00054588 = 34.0629 BTC [+] 1216389;1438151393;BingoBoingo;How to absolutely ruin a *nix install, nth edition https://archive.is/8U5zJ 1216390;1438151394;assbot;Lifehacker Pack for Linux: Our List of the Essential Linux Apps ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONTSmy ) 1216391;1438151770;pete_dushenski;libreoffice and gimp are fine. the rest can be done without. 1216392;1438152079;BingoBoingo;Even LibreOffice is a bit much post-graduation 1216393;1438152641;BingoBoingo;;;ticker -market all 1216394;1438152641;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 1216395;1438152653;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1216396;1438152660;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 289.0, vol: 9252.62771331 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 285.0, vol: 4616.63134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 291.03, vol: 14552.60292135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 3.2732026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 289.006956, vol: 19109.25090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 290.68245, vol: 64.55273284 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 298.187999989, vol: 82.31997186 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1216397;1438152926;*;BingoBoingo glad "runs bitcoin" has overtaken "runs dopewars" as the measure of a decent *nix 1216398;1438153054;pete_dushenski;http://dpaste.com/3V9A2Z3.txt << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal 1216399;1438153055;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIZ7Fc ) 1216400;1438153100;pete_dushenski;seems to be an issue with boost or gcc, but i'm not too sure. 1216401;1438153158;pete_dushenski;anyone who's so kind as to offer me assistance, please speak slowly and carefully, as if you were talking to a 10-year-old version of yourself 1216402;1438153621;pete_dushenski;^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary) 1216403;1438153631;punkman;pete_dushenski: did you put anything in distfiles/ ? 1216404;1438153643;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Which component wants you to use "jam" instead of "make" 1216405;1438153660;pete_dushenski;punkman: hm no ? 1216406;1438153681;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: also a good q. not sure. 1216407;1438153702;jurov; fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory << seems like original cause 1216408;1438153739;punkman;oic, that stator.sh downloades the distfiles 1216409;1438153764;punkman;do you have realpath? 1216410;1438153767;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Also if you were choosing one shit movie this year... prolly should have chose "Pixels" over "Spy" 1216411;1438153778;jurov;try investigationg boost configure script, if it has libbz2 option and try disabling it 1216412;1438153805;pete_dushenski;punkman: i do now. trying again. 1216413;1438153818;punkman;realpath's getting old :/ 1216414;1438153894;pete_dushenski;cd /libs/config/ 1216415;1438153901;pete_dushenski;lolk... 1216416;1438153945;pete_dushenski;wtf are there '<' and '>' around 'boost-root ? 1216417;1438154058;punkman;dpaste it again? 1216418;1438154111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73253 @ 0.00051858 = 37.9875 BTC [-] 1216419;1438154503;pete_dushenski;http://dpaste.com/2KY4W7G.txt << with realpath 1216420;1438154504;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJ2EmR ) 1216421;1438154541;pete_dushenski;'undefined reference to `deflateInit_' ' 1216422;1438154551;pete_dushenski;collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status 1216423;1438154551;pete_dushenski;make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1 1216424;1438154552;pete_dushenski;strip: 'bitcoind': No such file 1216425;1438154581;pete_dushenski;next step : look into boost as per jurov's suggestion 1216426;1438154594;BingoBoingo;JFK Shot First 1216427;1438154619;punkman;pete_dushenski: check distfiles for a boost .tar.bz2 1216428;1438154702;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i heard pixel was pretty awful. though 'trainwreck' is supposed to be worth a laugh or two. i'd see it just for 'cheapskate' lebron james lol 1216429;1438154715;punkman;because running the command that downloads boost in stator.sh gives me an html file 1216430;1438154761;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It got a lot of damning praise, but so far I've made it past the first 15 minutes. Furhter than I made it waith Spy and Spy was not a cam rip. 1216431;1438154824;pete_dushenski;punkman: this, i will look in to. 1216432;1438155453;Adlai;!t m s.mpoe 1216433;1438155453;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051858 / 0.00053618 / 0.00054996 (990832 shares, 531.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00050102 / 0.00053967 / 0.00059791 (25493380 shares, 13,758.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0003933 / 0.00053439 / 0.00060248 (103682847 shares, 55,407.26 BTC) 1216434;1438155552;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: This flick also features SIGINT ineptness 1216435;1438155579;pete_dushenski;how so ? 1216436;1438155611;pete_dushenski;not that this should be in any way surprising. it's a usg feature after all. 1216437;1438155620;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: They missed alien messages in Satellite TV shows 1216438;1438155693;pete_dushenski;alrighty then. 1216439;1438155703;pete_dushenski;well my eyes are done for the evening 1216440;1438155716;pete_dushenski;so with that i bid ye all adieu 1216441;1438158479;jurov;https://anvaka.github.io/pm/#/ alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic 1216442;1438158479;assbot;Code Galaxies Visualization ... ( http://bit.ly/1OB8yVx ) 1216443;1438159010;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski probably also takes the award for best film credits of the year 1216444;1438159011;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1216445;1438161215;BingoBoingo;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6057734.stm 1216446;1438161216;assbot;BBC NEWS | UK | Human species 'may split in two' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irr9mJ ) 1216447;1438162143;Adlai;!s operandus 1216448;1438162143;assbot;2 results for 'operandus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=operandus 1216449;1438162502;BingoBoingo;!s dependopatamus 1216450;1438162503;assbot;1 results for 'dependopatamus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dependopatamus 1216451;1438163139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00051631 = 14.7923 BTC [-] 1216452;1438163798;BingoBoingo;See also http://terminallance.com/2015/06/26/terminal-lance-the-curse-of-the-dependapotamus-gay-marriage/ 1216453;1438163800;assbot;Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance “The Curse of the Dependapotamus: Gay Marriage” ... ( http://bit.ly/1U643Gd ) 1216454;1438164469;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: How is Africa's foreskin treating you nowadays? 1216455;1438164485;fluffypony;it's the bomb 1216456;1438164908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00051523 = 22.902 BTC [-] 1216457;1438165394;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: I thought your foreskin surrendered the bomb when DeClerk gave it to Israel 1216458;1438165408;fluffypony;lol 1216459;1438165537;BingoBoingo;http://terminallance.com/2015/04/03/terminal-lance-happy-easter/ 1216460;1438165538;assbot;Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance “Happy Easter!” ... ( http://bit.ly/1U67IDI ) 1216461;1438166641;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216389 <<< aka how to load your *nix box with as many shitty apps to make it feel like winblowz as possible. 1216462;1438166641;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 06:29:53; BingoBoingo: How to absolutely ruin a *nix install, nth edition https://archive.is/8U5zJ 1216463;1438167959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58298 @ 0.00052262 = 30.4677 BTC [+] {5} 1216464;1438170215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53352 @ 0.00054982 = 29.334 BTC [+] 1216465;1438172911;jurov;http://whitehouse.org/ gone 1216466;1438172913;assbot;Heroku | No such app ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky3tPG ) 1216467;1438172931;jurov;wd mircea_popescu 1216468;1438173125;mats;lol 1216469;1438173300;mats;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216102 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216301 appear to have gotten stuck 1216470;1438173300;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 04:13:52; mats: deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt 1216471;1438173300;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 05:20:45; mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt 1216472;1438175132;shinohai;np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3exljh/how_can_i_get_bitcoins_im_14_and_my_parents_dont/ <<< 1216474;1438175685;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Andreas Heimann ; ) 1216475;1438175691;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) 1216476;1438175696;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=641 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1216477;1438175701;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1216478;1438175707;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda ; ) 1216479;1438175712;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Sven Arnold ; ) 1216480;1438175716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1216481;1438175716;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1216482;1438175718;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1216483;1438175718;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=459561500779 (Marco Hien ; ) 1216484;1438175720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1216485;1438175720;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Marco Hien ; ) 1216486;1438175722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1216487;1438175722;asciilifeform;;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty 1216488;1438175722;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1216489;1438175722;asciilifeform;that bot ought to have some notion of history 1216490;1438175745;asciilifeform;we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice. 1216491;1438175759;shinohai;So thats what happened to all my pot brownies. 1216492;1438176146;mircea_popescu;hory shit look at all the damage ddosing trilema hath wrought!!11 1216493;1438176167;mircea_popescu;it's like... my lyf has no meaning nao halp halp 1216494;1438176221;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216398 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216402 << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) 1216495;1438176221;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 06:57:34; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3V9A2Z3.txt << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal 1216496;1438176221;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 07:07:01; pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary) 1216497;1438176231;mircea_popescu;ohai 1216498;1438176243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu! 1216499;1438176248;mircea_popescu;in the flesh! 1216500;1438176256;mircea_popescu;who died ? 1216501;1438176257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: have you a working 'rotor' ? 1216502;1438176295;mircea_popescu;on a test box so far. 1216503;1438176316;asciilifeform;neato 1216504;1438176466;mircea_popescu;in otter news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f9de9761c0ba43c95441b7756f2b2b6e/tumblr_n3q8f06C9j1t0jb24o1_1280.jpg 1216505;1438176467;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrH7NC ) 1216506;1438176489;mircea_popescu;they only had one chain and one pair of shoes in the wardrobe... so they made do. 1216507;1438176494;asciilifeform;and only one face 1216508;1438176523;mircea_popescu;faces come from the fardrobe. very poorly supplied, especialyl for young women. 1216509;1438176531;asciilifeform;apparently! 1216510;1438176553;*;asciilifeform has always found this interesting 1216511;1438176570;mircea_popescu;re earlier thread, this is the whole root if not the whole extension of "common human experience" : the indignity of childbirth and the precariousness of pretense. 1216512;1438176580;mircea_popescu;both fundamentally female experiences. 1216513;1438176605;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216441 << what does this display on ? 1216514;1438176605;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 08:27:59; jurov: https://anvaka.github.io/pm/#/ alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic 1216515;1438176605;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1216516;1438176618;asciilifeform;i can't find a browser that eats it 1216517;1438176622;jurov;phirephox 1216518;1438176626;asciilifeform;hm. 1216519;1438176684;mircea_popescu;o look, it's a guy from new york!1 1216520;1438176710;mike_c;Good morning 1216521;1438176719;mircea_popescu;how's the smog today ? 1216522;1438176731;mike_c;smog is bearable, heat and humidity are not. 1216523;1438176748;*;mircea_popescu looks out... 17 celsius... coolish breeze... mmmkay. 1216524;1438176771;mike_c;;;calc (17 * 9 /5) + 32 1216525;1438176771;gribble;62.6 1216526;1438176777;mike_c;ooh, that sounds nice 1216527;1438176777;mircea_popescu;that's right. 1216528;1438176795;asciilifeform;room temp 1216529;1438176798;asciilifeform;year-round... 1216530;1438176802;mircea_popescu;nah room temp is more like 20-21 1216531;1438176808;mircea_popescu;depends how many naked womenz. 1216532;1438176817;asciilifeform;machine room temp. 1216533;1438176821;mircea_popescu;deffo. 1216534;1438176864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this has been a very bitter and cold winter. imagine, some of the sheargentinians actually had to wear pants! 1216535;1438176871;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1216536;1438176873;mircea_popescu;instead of those cunt displaycase stocking things 1216537;1438176888;mircea_popescu;(which, incidentally - they call "tenias". which is everywhere else ... an intestinal parasite) 1216538;1438176919;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://digitalmoneytimes.com/crypto-news/bitcoin-mmorpg-eulora-potential-needs-ton-work/ 1216539;1438176921;assbot;Bitcoin MMORPG Eulora Has Potential But Needs A Ton of Work - Digital Money Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrHIyK ) 1216540;1438176927;mircea_popescu;gotta love the research these people do. 1216541;1438176953;mike_c;look what happened to me last week: https://unsee.cc/bitanuse/ 1216542;1438176955;assbot;Unsee — Free online private photo sharing ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrHN5E ) 1216543;1438176957;mircea_popescu;"it remains a bit unclear as to how many people are actually working on this project. Or to be more precise, it is unclear whether or not anyone is still developing Eulora at all." 1216544;1438176973;asciilifeform;l0lwat, does that thing really need ms-vs to build ?! 1216545;1438176989;asciilifeform;or fiction like rest of the article 1216546;1438177039;mircea_popescu;mike_c somehow doesn't load anything for meh. 1216547;1438177062;mike_c;ah, likely some unsee JS magic. anyhoo, it was a pic of my new baby girl. 1216548;1438177067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you want to build it you need a ricketty pile of bs. not sure if actually msvs or what. 1216549;1438177070;asciilifeform;congrats mike_c 1216550;1438177072;mircea_popescu;but jurov made some binaries 1216551;1438177076;mike_c;thanks! 1216552;1438177077;mircea_popescu;mike_c ooo grats! 1216553;1438177081;asciilifeform;mike_c: how many children you have now ? 1216554;1438177086;mircea_popescu;3 ? 1216555;1438177091;mike_c;boy and a girl, and we're done. 1216556;1438177123;mircea_popescu;oh that's right, girly was coming. well... congrats on passing the bar of reproducing yourselves! 1216557;1438177129;mircea_popescu;plenty of folks here behind on that score. 1216558;1438177139;mike_c;we've done our part for the species. 1216559;1438177180;mircea_popescu;whatcha gonna call her ? 1216560;1438177216;mike_c;Elizabeth 1216561;1438177221;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1216562;1438177264;*;mircea_popescu always thought sane names were underrated, happy to see them making a comeback. 1216563;1438177281;mike_c;Yeah, I am a big proponent. 1216564;1438177336;mike_c;that eulora blog post.. to leave a reply you have to be logged in - to his blog. It takes you to /wp-login/ 1216565;1438177346;mircea_popescu;this is actually how wp handles it. 1216566;1438177354;mike_c;nice 1216567;1438177363;mircea_popescu;you log in to comment same place admin logs in to admin 1216568;1438177373;mircea_popescu;tons of holes in vanilla throughout its sad decade of history, too. 1216569;1438177438;mircea_popescu;07:09:24 punkman: do you have realpath? << i think we'll end up with this in the topic lmao. 1216570;1438177516;mircea_popescu;;;later tell thestringpuller yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ? 1216571;1438177516;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1216572;1438177641;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216452 << bwahaha ok that's lol 1216573;1438177641;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 09:56:38; BingoBoingo: See also http://terminallance.com/2015/06/26/terminal-lance-the-curse-of-the-dependapotamus-gay-marriage/ 1216574;1438178031;mircea_popescu;from the "nice gear makes bad tits stand out even more" department, http://41.media.tumblr.com/858fd95e1a5649c31e4d2b9c1363c615/tumblr_n42ec42zSD1s38z3ao1_1280.jpg 1216575;1438178034;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrJcJu ) 1216576;1438178125;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216467 << aww. 1216577;1438178125;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 12:28:51; jurov: wd mircea_popescu 1216578;1438178146;mod6;;;later tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing! 1216579;1438178146;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1216580;1438178148;mircea_popescu;;;isup archive.is 1216581;1438178149;gribble;archive.is is up 1216582;1438178169;punkman;mod6, see also my next comment 1216583;1438178173;mircea_popescu;oddly enough i can't get it. perhaps im banned ?! 1216584;1438178200;punkman;curling the sourceforge URL gives me HTML. wget works though. 1216585;1438178209;mircea_popescu;PING archive.is (149.202.33.193) 56(84) bytes of data. 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3003ms 1216586;1438178214;mircea_popescu;newone sees it ? 1216587;1438178242;mircea_popescu;(don't mind the 3ms ^C precision - i've yet to make a ping printout do two digit microsecond delays) 1216588;1438178304;kakobrekla;my dns resolves archive.is to 178.79.131.122 instead 1216589;1438178308;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216487 << srsly lobbes, that stuff's no good. people end up having to drop coins in the jar for that sorta thing. 1216590;1438178308;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:22; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty 1216591;1438178312;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ah! 1216592;1438178345;mircea_popescu;apparently they moved. 1216593;1438178353;kakobrekla;linode now 1216594;1438178354;mircea_popescu;stale local cache. thanks. 1216595;1438178404;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Bundle works for me swimmingly, Debian 7 & 8 + Ubuntu 14.04 (already had packages installed) . 1216596;1438178405;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1216597;1438178454;mircea_popescu;and now ima go for a walk. i leave you with http://33.media.tumblr.com/11baabac4d090a22008581a172034056/tumblr_n2hg0xowcY1sqrvkvo1_400.gif 1216598;1438178458;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eA35lo ) 1216599;1438178484;mod6;asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'? 1216600;1438178695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180847 @ 0.00052491 = 94.9284 BTC [-] 1216601;1438179122;mod6;having a fully deterministic everything is where we want to be. but I can't even get it to build yet myself. imho; we've got quite some time/work ahead of us on that. 1216602;1438179235;shinohai;I have yet to build successfully on gentoo, BSD, and arm. gentoo because I don't have a system up yet, arm because I'm a retard when it comes to cross-compiling. 1216603;1438179840;mike_c;mod6: any reason not to put your mining maps on the wiki? They look awesome btw. 1216604;1438179852;mike_c;meaning on the wiki, as opposed to link to your site 1216605;1438180146;mod6;thx. mainly as I'm kinda still sorta updating 'em, it's easier to update 'em on my side then to push 'em into the wiki every time. 1216606;1438180168;mod6;but eventually, im sure they'll live/reside in the wiki itself. 1216607;1438180250;mike_c;got it, makes sense. 1216608;1438180419;mod6;congrats btw mike_c :] 1216609;1438180480;mike_c;thanks :) 1216610;1438180505;kakobrekla;aha yes congratulations, im sure you will be around even less now 1216611;1438180571;mike_c;I think I actually joined this channel a few months after my first kid was born. 1216612;1438180611;kakobrekla;color me surprised 1216613;1438180631;mike_c;Gotta make sure I leave them something better than USD :) 1216614;1438180673;kakobrekla;is that the excuse you use on your wife? :D 1216615;1438180799;mike_c;She is amused by my "bitcoin friends" 1216616;1438181257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130450 @ 0.00051701 = 67.444 BTC [-] {5} 1216617;1438181723;pete_dushenski;mod6: didja catch my realpath test ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216419 1216618;1438181723;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 07:21:43; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/2KY4W7G.txt << with realpath 1216619;1438182212;mats;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/02NFS08.txt 1216620;1438182214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I96xMd ) 1216621;1438182215;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1216622;1438182351;mod6;hi pete_dushenski: yeah, did you see my last comment to you? 1216623;1438182388;pete_dushenski;missed it 1216624;1438182402;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216494 << finally looking at 'rotor' now 1216625;1438182402;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 13:23:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216398 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216402 << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) 1216626;1438182447;mod6;tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing! 1216627;1438182483;mod6;so feel free to blow way all the build directories etc. 1216628;1438182503;mod6;start over 100% since now you hvae realpath installed. 1216629;1438182516;pete_dushenski;aha. i misunderstood the 'start from scratch' element. gotcha 1216630;1438182523;mod6;np. gl. 1216631;1438182540;pete_dushenski;cheers :) 1216632;1438182549;mod6;i looked like to me that maybe something worked well after realpath was installed with boost, but maybe something didn't get copied over correctly with openssl. 1216633;1438182554;mod6;*it 1216634;1438182575;mod6;so better to start fresh and see. only takes a few minutes anyway. 1216635;1438183823;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/CGfEWWT.png 1216636;1438183824;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRpqrG ) 1216637;1438183833;pete_dushenski;mike_c: mazel tov ! 1216638;1438183862;mike_c;thanks :) 1216639;1438183964;pete_dushenski;you're leading the way for ben and i here :D 1216640;1438184001;mike_c;when are you due? 1216641;1438184011;pete_dushenski;3 weeks 1216642;1438184018;mike_c;Ah, good luck 1216643;1438184055;pete_dushenski;mhm. luck will be needed for when the biological instincts fall flat ! 1216644;1438184099;mike_c;It's pretty easy, when it cries change its diaper and feed it. 1216645;1438184105;shinohai;Congrats to the new father, and also to the fathers-to-be! 1216646;1438184131;*;shinohai likes children but values his sanity. 1216647;1438184154;pete_dushenski;mike_c: that's pretty much what i'm expecting 1216648;1438184164;pete_dushenski;shinohai: cheers :) 1216649;1438184323;pete_dushenski;http://dpaste.com/1AZSPAF.txt << mod6 1216650;1438184324;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHsvyo ) 1216651;1438184424;mod6;hmmm 1216652;1438184432;mod6;are you compiling as yourself or root? 1216653;1438184453;pete_dushenski;myself 1216654;1438184479;mod6;well, thanks for giving it a try. not sure what's going on there atm. 1216655;1438184515;pete_dushenski;np. always happy to play the tragic figure. 1216656;1438184657;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1216657;1438184738;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216599 << release is of source, rather than binary, so not sure how much of a difference it makes for the release. but it'd be nice if folks were bashing their heads agains the wall to build rotor - a fully de-drepperized bitcoin - than the old stator, imho 1216658;1438184738;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 14:01:24; mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'? 1216659;1438184779;ascii_field;and i'm still waiting to learn what was actually going on 1216660;1438184783;ascii_field;shinohai built his, for example 1216661;1438184789;mod6;isn't rotor just 'old-stator' (from a few months ago) + buildroot & openssl patch? 1216662;1438184808;ascii_field;mod6: it uses buildroot to generate a gcc and binutils clean of glibc 1216663;1438184813;mod6;i ran into the the same problem as trinque with mine. and you told him 'get a computer' 1216664;1438184817;ascii_field;and builds stator with it 1216665;1438184862;ascii_field;mod6: were you able to build the toolchain ? 1216666;1438184864;mod6;i built mine on a gentoo/nomultilib/glibc x86-64 host 1216667;1438184867;mod6;yes. 1216668;1438184870;mod6;well, plausibly. 1216669;1438184875;ascii_field;can you compile a 'hello world' with it ? 1216670;1438184880;mod6;my build failed during the BDB build 1216671;1438184886;ascii_field;(use the envir vars set in rotor.sh) 1216672;1438184915;mod6;other than basically trying it out that one time, i've been pretty hammered with other stuff to finish before month end. 1216673;1438184920;ascii_field;mod6: your bdb and other tarballs in distfiles match the checksums in MANIFEST ? 1216674;1438184922;mod6;wont really revisit until after the 1st. 1216675;1438184923;shinohai;I'm going to try the pogo build with rotor again later this evening. So everyone wish me luck. 1216676;1438184931;mod6;ascii_field: ya 1216677;1438184936;mod6;that was all fine and dandy. 1216678;1438184965;ascii_field;mod6: is there a link to the build output in the log ? 1216679;1438184977;ascii_field;i too have been busy with other things, and lost track. 1216680;1438185058;shinohai;I have very little to do all day in my situation, so throw any testing at me and I'll at least try. 1216681;1438185223;phf;is rotor intended for general distribution, that is non-specialist should be able to download and do an independent turnkey build? 1216682;1438185235;ascii_field;phf: yes. 1216683;1438185269;ascii_field;phf: i determined, some months ago, that glibc is evil. and decided to abolish it from bitcoin. 1216684;1438185271;ascii_field;!s glibc 1216685;1438185271;assbot;142 results for 'glibc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glibc 1216686;1438185278;ascii_field;'rotor' is the result. 1216687;1438185283;mod6;ascii_field: there are a few pastes, it starts here: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-15#1214475 1216688;1438185323;mod6;probably 20 lines of log to wade throgh 1216689;1438185328;phf;i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement 1216690;1438185330;ascii_field;mod6: unfortunately there is not enough info in this paste to go on 1216691;1438185364;ascii_field;phf: the other purpose of 'rotor' is to have a 100% deterministic build 1216692;1438185374;ascii_field;the only way to have this is for everyone to also build the compiler 1216693;1438185385;mod6;ok, so sometime next week, i'll rebuild again from scratch and paste the full log. 1216694;1438185398;ascii_field;neato 1216695;1438185449;ascii_field;in other nyooz >> https://i.imgur.com/phCtDOk.png << microshit turns win10 box into torrent server for winblowz update, by default 1216696;1438185449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRrcsY ) 1216697;1438185449;phf;is bitcoind basically a new buildroot package or you're doing shellscripts? (sorry, i've not had a chance to look at rotor yet) 1216698;1438185470;ascii_field;phf: for now, scripts. later - package 1216699;1438185484;ascii_field;the reason i wrote it this way is that the result is intended to be used on a normal linux box 1216700;1438185495;ascii_field;(rather than a linux produced by buildroot) 1216701;1438185502;phf;aaah 1216702;1438185679;shinohai;reddit wants to know when the windows release will be ready xD 1216703;1438185915;ascii_field;l0lwat 1216704;1438186242;phf;qemu with buildroot.img packed into binary -> bitcoind.exe :] 1216705;1438186317;shinohai;lol phf 1216706;1438186476;shinohai;the irc cloud has apparently evaporated 1216707;1438186597;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1216708;1438187274;ascii_field;http://www.copblock.org/132300/reasonable-cop-jumps-in-marines-car-shoots-him-to-save-himself << via qntra 1216709;1438187276;assbot;"Reasonable" - Cop Jumps In Marine's Car, Shoots Him To "Save Himself" | Cop Block ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyGVyn ) 1216710;1438187278;ascii_field;^l0lz 1216711;1438187380;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-05-2015#1148913 << see also 1216712;1438187380;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 11:50:54; mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public, 1216713;1438187544;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-28/ron-paul-slams-gen-wesley-clark-he-kidding-internment-camps 1216714;1438187545;assbot;Ron Paul Slams Gen. Wesley Clark: Is He Kidding, Internment Camps? | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyHCYn ) 1216715;1438187545;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1216716;1438187637;ascii_field;'“We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized,” he continued. “We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning. I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.”' << win 1216717;1438187658;ascii_field;(from different birdcage liners, http://www.salon.com/2015/07/20/wesley_clark_disloyal_americans_should_be_tossed_in_internment_camps_for_the_duration_of_the_war_on_terror ) 1216718;1438187660;assbot;Wesley Clark: “Disloyal Americans” should be tossed in internment camps for the “duration” of the war on terror - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyI2hn ) 1216719;1438187768;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216490 << aye. You are correct. I will take a look at this tonight; see if I can't find some way to implement a history of some sort 1216720;1438187768;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:45; asciilifeform: we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice. 1216721;1438187783;ascii_field;ty lobbes 1216722;1438188619;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1216723;1438188625;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216517 << fails... 1216724;1438188625;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 13:30:22; jurov: phirephox 1216725;1438188659;jurov;the end is nigh. 1216726;1438188749;ascii_field;jurov: be so kind as to post a screenshot of whatever that thing was ? 1216727;1438188984;jurov;http://www.explo.yt/Code_Galaxies_Visualization_-_debian.png as it's 3D this does not do it justice, the fat dot is libc6 1216728;1438188988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqFxHh ) 1216729;1438189090;ascii_field;jurov: is there a picture with text ? 1216730;1438189116;jurov;it shows mouseover text only for one dot at a time 1216731;1438189122;ascii_field;ah 1216732;1438189127;ascii_field;seems pretty useless 1216733;1438189156;ascii_field;'rat's nest' 1216734;1438189919;trinque;mats: time for me to switch deedbot- to the next tank :) 1216735;1438189934;trinque;one sec and I shall 1216736;1438190391;mats;kay, if you'd get that paste i've been trying to jam in there, that'd be great 1216737;1438190418;mats;is it out of coins or wut? 1216738;1438190418;trinque;yup, it is in the db 1216739;1438190453;mats;i think i put three or more duplicates in there in the last two days, feel free to delete em 1216740;1438190889;trinque;mats: https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES 1216741;1438190890;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPhsJp ) 1216742;1438190907;trinque;the unconfirmed one should be the one you're waiting on 1216743;1438190921;trinque;it'll upload to the site shortly 1216744;1438190951;mats;excellent 1216745;1438191004;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel 1216746;1438191035;gabriel_laddel;oh ty 1216747;1438191045;gabriel_laddel;04:49:25 mircea_popescu: they should have held out for 55 billion. << lol 1216748;1438191691;*;williamdunne is looking for work, enquire within 1216749;1438191714;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1216750;1438191718;ascii_field;http://demo.talentpools.info << what is this horror ? 1216751;1438191719;assbot;Home TalentPools ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPjv03 ) 1216752;1438191800;ascii_field;williamdunne: what kind of work 1216753;1438191826;trinque;http://proofofdev.com/ << here's another 1216754;1438191827;assbot;Proof of Developer | Cleaning up the Crypto Community one developer at a time. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPjLw2 ) 1216755;1438191834;trinque;mmmmarketing tripe! 1216756;1438191853;ascii_field;trinque: the one linked earlier, has a qntra news feed 1216757;1438191861;ascii_field;appears to be written by Azelphur 1216758;1438191870;trinque;wat 1216759;1438191923;trinque;in-wot jobs board isn't that bad an idea, really 1216760;1438191952;trinque;could just deedbot your resume and announce here, though 1216761;1438192117;Azelphur;I wrote something? o.O 1216762;1438192141;ascii_field;'Powered by BitRecruiter Written in pyth by Azelphur' 1216763;1438192165;Azelphur;Please note that I am a programmer and did not write any of the content 1216764;1438192172;ascii_field;ah 1216765;1438193388;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/07/wapo-yanks-crypto.pdf << >> 'WaPo-Yanked Op-Ed Supporting Ubiquitous Crypto' 1216766;1438193390;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPnh9I ) 1216767;1438193400;williamdunne;ascii_field: Programming (C#, Java, can learn other things), banking relationships, web development. Really anything that can get me a few bob each month 1216768;1438193446;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/3QMF81S.txt << txt of earlier link 1216769;1438193447;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPntpn ) 1216770;1438193497;ascii_field;https://archive.is/b2Z93 1216771;1438193498;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPnCZX ) 1216772;1438193511;williamdunne;For the right job with additional incentives aside from salary I'd work sub-minimum 1216773;1438193518;trinque;this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane. 1216774;1438193521;trinque;!up ascii_field 1216775;1438193540;trinque;dunno that there's a better measure of american hubris than that. 1216776;1438193566;ascii_field;trinque: as i understand, the story isn't about '90s-style bans, but smoke to distract from the fact the 'smartPnohe' etc. is thoroughly pwned and usg-controlled on every level, 'crypted' or not 1216777;1438193579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00054883 = 18.1663 BTC [+] 1216778;1438193581;trinque;yeah, makes sense. 1216779;1438193659;shinohai;Easiest way to spy on your citizens is to put a device in every household they can't resist. 1216780;1438193669;trinque;t-telescreen? 1216781;1438193678;trinque;that's what I call my android phone 1216782;1438193742;trinque;I don't know that even Mr. Huxley would've ever dreamt you'd carry the thing around with you. 1216783;1438193750;ascii_field;orwell 1216784;1438193751;trinque;who'd be so dumb? 1216785;1438193757;trinque;ah I'm sorry, you're right. 1216786;1438193779;ascii_field;huxley was optimist! his phyootoor had endless dope and all-day-long fuck for everyone 1216787;1438193788;phf;huxley is the one who predicted that you would carry such a device and you would love it 1216788;1438193789;trinque;still waiting on that soma 1216789;1438193793;trinque;phf: right 1216790;1438193806;decimation;lulz http://abcnews.go.com/US/university-cincinnati-cancels-classes-city-braces-deadly-shooting/story?id=32760968 1216791;1438193808;assbot;Police Officer Involved in Deadly Cincinnati Shooting Indicted for Murder - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPoz4k ) 1216792;1438193838;decimation;^ apparently in some places 'rule of law' kinda applies to cops 1216793;1438193861;ascii_field;wake me up when they hang lon horiuchi 1216794;1438195424;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/29/us-ukraine-crisis-battalions-special-rep-idUSKCN0Q30YT20150729 << oh great. 1216795;1438195425;assbot;Special Report: Ukraine struggles to control maverick battalions| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPsE8B ) 1216796;1438195432;trinque;"Moscow must burn." 1216797;1438195456;trinque;a) hilarious, good luck kid, and b) great excuse for russia to do whatever the hell it wants next 1216798;1438195720;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1216799;1438195727;ascii_field;general interest: http://www.codepolice.org 1216800;1438195728;assbot;Code Police: Welcome ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPtnqy ) 1216801;1438195800;mircea_popescu;what work exactly williamdunne ? 1216802;1438195848;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Programming preferred, but anything that pays and I'm capable of, which I'd like to imagine is a fairly wide range of things 1216803;1438196038;mircea_popescu;come to argentina start a black market dollar trading empire. 1216804;1438196065;mircea_popescu;the locals are broadly speaking too retarded to qualify as frogs. 1216805;1438196113;williamdunne;I lack capital, but conceptualized a service that could handle such things 1216806;1438196125;williamdunne;(Friend is working on something similar for India/Brazil) 1216807;1438196201;mircea_popescu;forget "service" dood. stop trying to abstract your ass from the fucking, that's not how it works. 1216808;1438196206;mircea_popescu;go on the street, it's where life happens. 1216809;1438196238;mircea_popescu;that's what the local derps are daydreaming too, "services" and "platforms" and their mother's wide cunts. 1216810;1438196259;phf;hypothetically speaking how does a black market dollar trading works? bring cash past border control, sell to locals at margin? 1216811;1438196289;mircea_popescu;phf buy and sell from locals, organise couriers to keep bringing bills in to help me bring down the fucktarded slow motion socialism they call "peroniosm" here 1216812;1438196320;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how does bringing green pieces of paper from up north help bring down anyone ? 1216813;1438196328;mircea_popescu;whole shebang's got maaaaaybe a coupla years left of "podremos vivir mejor" and "victoria es tener un trabajo y non necesitar un secundo" left in it. 1216814;1438196354;mircea_popescu;ascii_field because they're worthless. 1216815;1438196386;ascii_field;am i thick or what 1216816;1438196388;williamdunne;What is the primary method of getting Argentinian toilet paper back into dollars? 1216817;1438196414;mircea_popescu;you wait for a coupla years, then buy the pick of the crop of the current 12 yo women and sell them to brunei. 1216818;1438196430;mircea_popescu;by then they'll just be startin' the bleedin'. 1216819;1438196439;ascii_field;i mean, when i visited i traded mircea_popescu a bit of usd for coin. how did he use them to put a small hole in 'peronism' ? 1216820;1438196509;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the less control over the currency the soi-dissant state enjoys, the closer it gets to its pissant destiny. 1216821;1438196518;punkman;mircea_popescu: how much USD can one bring when entering .ar ? 1216822;1438196522;mircea_popescu;and ~currency~ means something specific. the ~current~ medium of exchange. 1216823;1438196535;mircea_popescu;punkman usual 10k or whatever you feel like stashing. 1216824;1438196544;ascii_field;10k is the traditional legal limit usa-side 1216825;1438196553;punkman;around 10k euros around europe too 1216826;1438196567;mircea_popescu;some people bring half mil to a mil, but then you run the risk of having to maybe shoot the dummies. 1216827;1438196572;punkman;are there euros in .ar black market? 1216828;1438196575;mircea_popescu;some people prefer to not bother. either way. 1216829;1438196583;mircea_popescu;sort-of, yeah. 1216830;1438196588;ascii_field;if the $mil fits in your pocket, you probably won't have to shoot anyone 1216831;1438196600;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the half mil fits in a large travel bag. 1216832;1438196605;ascii_field;aha 1216833;1438196606;mircea_popescu;you've seen dollars before, yes ? 1216834;1438196619;ascii_field;l0l 1216835;1438196624;punkman;if they catch you with half-a-mil do they just confiscate? 1216836;1438196629;mircea_popescu;no, you shoot them. 1216837;1438196633;mircea_popescu;fucking confiscate, what is this. 1216838;1438196646;mircea_popescu;"if you give that nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle." 1216839;1438196652;ascii_field;probably safer to have this bad outside, vs inside of usa! 1216840;1438196661;ascii_field;*bag 1216841;1438196740;mircea_popescu;anyway. bring some friends, the hos you can't do without, some money and i guess handguns if you don't care for the chinese half-and-half crap. 1216842;1438196752;ascii_field;half and half ? 1216843;1438196760;mircea_popescu;(new chinese smg! shoots every other bullet!1" 1216844;1438196768;ascii_field;l0l! mircea_popescu has one ? 1216845;1438196774;mircea_popescu;mno. 1216846;1438196783;ascii_field;i hear it's made for export only 1216847;1438196789;ascii_field;.cn army does not field this. 1216848;1438196791;mircea_popescu;yeah. to argentina and morocco 1216849;1438196801;mircea_popescu;and any other places inhabited by the sort of retard. 1216850;1438196834;ascii_field;incidentally, i've wondered when u.s. folks travelling with cash usd will learn about thermite as countermeasure to 'confiscator' 1216851;1438196865;ascii_field;was sop for sov. diplomatic couriers 1216852;1438196881;mircea_popescu;why blow money over some twerp ? blow the twerp. 1216853;1438196890;punkman;!up thestringpuller 1216854;1438196892;ascii_field;instruction, iirc, was '1) hit red button 2) open fire' 1216855;1438196919;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: game-theoretical instrument 1216856;1438196927;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: cools the ardour of the enemy, cheaply 1216857;1438196934;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/ << some of the redditards are getting sick of hearn's shit now too 1216858;1438197077;thestringpuller; yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ? << we do cookies... 1216859;1438197085;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't think you understand what the word "stupid" means. 1216860;1438197118;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: cow is stupid. still learns to avoid the barbed wire 1216861;1438197118;phf;mircea_popescu: so the idea is to basically work as exchange, but with black market rate premium, whatever it is 30-40%, and a wider buy vs sell spread? 1216862;1438197146;mircea_popescu;phf the idea is to basically work as an exchange, yes. 1216863;1438197178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33158 @ 0.00052485 = 17.403 BTC [-] 1216864;1438197199;mircea_popescu;dollar trades 13.8-14.2 atm, "officially" at 8.whatever, in the sense that if you're a farmer and you sell soy, you're going to be paid for the dollars you bring in at that rate. 1216865;1438197202;mircea_popescu;otherwise not meaningful. 1216866;1438197244;mircea_popescu;govt is essentially running a 60% arbitrage on the last remaining productive leg of the place, which is fucking soy farming. 1216867;1438197299;mircea_popescu;anyway. there's no shortage of work to be had here. and i mean serious work. 1216868;1438197304;mircea_popescu;the shortage is i can't get enough people 1216869;1438197311;mircea_popescu;but i mean people not social media derps. 1216870;1438197348;ascii_field;people people, aha 1216871;1438197395;phf;hmm 1216872;1438197458;mircea_popescu;i imagine this is by now a worldwide problem. 1216873;1438197518;ascii_field;which 'this' ? 1216874;1438197543;mircea_popescu;can't find people. 1216875;1438197561;mircea_popescu;lol wait, gmaxwell and mike hearn bitching at each other on reddit as to who should go do an altcoin ? 1216876;1438197568;mircea_popescu;the mpsecution rests. 1216877;1438197570;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field 1216878;1438197606;mircea_popescu;Last week, Retired General Wesley Clark, who was NATO commander during the US bombing of Serbia, proposed that disloyal Americans be sent to internment camps for the duration of the conflict. 1216879;1438197608;mircea_popescu;ahaha wut. 1216880;1438197695;mircea_popescu;check it out ascii_field, everything's rosy over at nigger house! they're so happy with the way shit's going they're gonna buy everyone a round! 1216881;1438197726;ascii_field;... of zyklon b ? 1216882;1438197738;mircea_popescu;whatever they can afford. 1216883;1438197744;mircea_popescu;gettit ? can ? 1216884;1438197746;mircea_popescu;bwahahahah 1216885;1438197752;mircea_popescu;oh lawdy i kill myself! 1216886;1438197754;mircea_popescu;GEDDIT ?!?!?! 1216887;1438197782;*;ascii_field somehow found himself implementing an ip stack 1216888;1438198186;jurov;ascii_field: do you have a terminal emulator stashed anywhere? 1216889;1438198196;jurov;everything i can find is married to gtk 1216890;1438198200;ascii_field;jurov: 'screen' 1216891;1438198213;ascii_field;jurov: http://www.gnu.org/software/screen 1216892;1438198215;assbot;GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kz9Ja6 ) 1216893;1438198238;ascii_field;the only other one i've used in the past decade was 'minicom' 1216894;1438198265;mircea_popescu;screen for the ween! 1216895;1438198278;ascii_field;before that.... 'kermit' ! 1216896;1438198279;ascii_field;for msdos. 1216897;1438198284;mircea_popescu;no no, screen's good. 1216898;1438198298;ascii_field;i literally can't recall any other than these 3. 1216899;1438198324;ascii_field;(at one point i owned an actual 'glass tty' ibm terminal, but parents threw it out) 1216900;1438198383;jurov;ithings just came down into adding terminal emulator to eulora and i'm weighing down the options 1216901;1438198420;ascii_field;lol, like the one in 'quake' ? 1216902;1438198447;jurov;i'm blissfully unaware of quake 1216903;1438198497;mircea_popescu;better than the one in quake. 1216904;1438198541;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/1jNbNMe.jpg 1216905;1438198541;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kza7W3 ) 1216906;1438198654;ascii_field;jurov: http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/81191-quake-amiga-screenshot-console-in-the-amiga-version-not-much.jpg 1216907;1438198656;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzakZj ) 1216908;1438199008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10542 @ 0.00052485 = 5.533 BTC [-] 1216909;1438199130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00052629 = 44.0505 BTC [+] {2} 1216910;1438199696;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216646 << check it out, that came in rhyme. 1216911;1438199696;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 15:35:31; *: shinohai likes children but values his sanity. 1216912;1438199762;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216689 << what is this ? 1216913;1438199762;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 15:55:28; phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement 1216914;1438199787;jurov;musl is alternative libc 1216915;1438199792;mircea_popescu;i know what musl is. 1216916;1438199796;shinohai;I guess I was unwittingly a poet today. 1216917;1438199797;mircea_popescu;what movement is he on aboot ? 1216918;1438199804;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1216919;1438199830;ascii_field;http://suckless.org 1216920;1438199831;assbot;suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzcUON ) 1216921;1438199847;ascii_field;not, afaik, affiliated with the musl folks in any direct sense 1216922;1438199847;mircea_popescu;omg this exists ? 1216923;1438199854;ascii_field;but they link to it 1216924;1438199856;shinohai;I was just about to respond to the pic mircea_popescu posted. Such sanctimonious horseshit makes me sick. 1216925;1438199860;ascii_field;http://suckless.org/rocks 1216926;1438199861;assbot;Stuff that rocks | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzd2ho ) 1216927;1438199877;mircea_popescu;is this a sort of gabriel_laddel pre gabriel_laddel ? 1216928;1438199889;shinohai;Raw fucking potato indeed, what is this Latvia? 1216929;1438199896;ascii_field;http://suckless.org/philosophy << see also 1216930;1438199896;assbot;Philosophy | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzd6xI ) 1216931;1438199908;mircea_popescu;suckless conference 2015, Budapest 1216932;1438199908;mircea_popescu;slcon2 will be held in Budapest on Oct 30-31 2015. 1216933;1438199908;mircea_popescu;This time itll be a conference for invited participants only. 1216934;1438199910;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 1216935;1438199918;mircea_popescu;unretarded people exist. what a day! 1216936;1438199927;ascii_field;existed for years 1216937;1438199944;mircea_popescu;http://suckless.org/people/ << aww. 1216938;1438199945;assbot;people | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzdgoP ) 1216939;1438199949;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't know everything! 1216940;1438200019;mircea_popescu;"We believe this should become the mainstream philosophy in the IT sector." << it IS the mainsteam philosophy. just a bunch of barnacles hanging on. 1216941;1438200048;ascii_field;http://sta.li 1216942;1438200049;assbot;sta.li stali - static linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2sgrj ) 1216943;1438200082;mircea_popescu;ok, i like these people. 1216944;1438200094;mircea_popescu;and, of course, spolski. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/09/23.html 1216945;1438200095;assbot;The Duct Tape Programmer - Joel on Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2snmV ) 1216946;1438200095;phf;systemd was really the last nail in the coffin, this stuff was going on for a while, like freedesktop.org which is a open standards body (?) for all the retardation that came out of kde/gnome and "linux on desktop" 1216947;1438200128;mircea_popescu;phf "you may have your thing revolutionize the world provided you agree to make it not change anything". 1216948;1438200231;mircea_popescu;anyway. spolsky's making a mess of things. what a dumb article. 1216949;1438200348;phf;of what i saw jwz wrote some tight no nonsense code, i think it's an unfair characterization of him. i guess things are seen different from microsoft mgmt perch 1216950;1438200432;mircea_popescu;missing antecedent here. what ? 1216951;1438200480;ascii_field;jwz took a big, fat shit into the software ecosystem 1216952;1438200489;ascii_field;unrepentantly, proudly 1216953;1438200613;ascii_field;in my mind he represents the sv idiot culture 1216954;1438200650;phf;mircea_popescu: in the duct tape programmer spolsky used jamie zawinski, jwz, as his main example, and i think it's an odd, backhanded characterization, that's mainly there to drive a point about something that spolsky imagined 1216955;1438200659;mircea_popescu;oh oh. 1216956;1438200668;gabriel_laddel;jwz also failed to use his winnings productively. 1216957;1438200671;mircea_popescu;you are actually both right and apparently well informed. 1216958;1438200720;jurov;re: suckless actually 'dvtm' terminal emulator may be what i asked for 1216959;1438200747;trinque;ah suckless... I ran dwm for quite a long time 1216960;1438200756;mircea_popescu;what an exciting day. 1216961;1438200779;shinohai;https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term 1216962;1438200781;assbot;Swordfish90/cool-retro-term · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2twuI ) 1216963;1438200850;mircea_popescu;"When asked why he jumped into the window by investigators, Nordman responded, [to] make the driver stop the car. He didnt seem like he was gonna tak[e] me seriously enough me being outside the car and telling him to stop so I figured Id get inside and make him stop." 1216964;1438200875;mircea_popescu;ahh, the primary driver of usg agent behaviour - that ever present gnawing fear at the back of the skull that who knows, maybe someone somewhere is laughing at them 1216965;1438200881;jurov;i have even found an opengl term that's supposed to rotate char at cursor :D but from 2002 1216966;1438200909;jurov;but reasonably recent and not bloated things are hard apparently 1216967;1438200915;mircea_popescu;"Nordman and Heron have been cleared of all criminal wrongdoing in the incident and have received no disciplinary action from the department despite an internal review." 1216968;1438200925;gernika;ascii_field is there a summary of sv idiot culture somewhere that enumerates the major flaws? My own experience of it is that it is sort of a fraud culture in which fraud "prototypes" are developed to be sold to google/facebook/apple for marketing purposes. 1216969;1438200937;mircea_popescu;gernika so there you go. 1216970;1438200975;ascii_field;gernika: ultimately it is a set of pigs competing for trough of the u.s. fed arse-mouth-system printing usd to buy stocks with 1216971;1438201083;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216765 << who's the nick denton of shit=po ? are they quitting ? 1216972;1438201083;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 18:09:48; ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/07/wapo-yanks-crypto.pdf << >> 'WaPo-Yanked Op-Ed Supporting Ubiquitous Crypto' 1216973;1438201086;gabriel_laddel;!up diana_coman 1216974;1438201091;mircea_popescu;or is that only if you bother some random anon faggot ? 1216975;1438201174;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216773 << no ban is ever different you realise. 1216976;1438201174;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 18:11:58; trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane. 1216977;1438201182;trinque;certainly. 1216978;1438201183;punkman;jurov, did you see this http://st.suckless.org/ ? 1216979;1438201183;assbot;suckless.org st - simple terminal ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2ujM0 ) 1216980;1438201184;mircea_popescu;every "ban" comes from the same happy place of insanity. 1216981;1438201189;gernika;Seems like the fraud model took over in the 90s and resulted in the first bust. 1216982;1438201249;phf;ascii_field: was talking purely about his programming style. he writes like an oldfag without "paradigms", focused 1216983;1438201268;mircea_popescu;"I would like Ukraine to lead the crusades," said Korchynsky, whose battalion's name is Saint Mary. "Our mission is not only to kick out the occupiers, but also revenge. Moscow must burn." 1216984;1438201271;mircea_popescu;ahaha pretty great. 1216985;1438201277;ascii_field;phf: eh, so does everybody over ~30 1216986;1438201277;mircea_popescu;burn moscow in the name of xtianity ? 1216987;1438201318;mircea_popescu;"No political force should have, and will not have, any kind of armed cells. No political organization has the right to establish ... criminal groups," Poroshenko said on July 13. 1216988;1438201319;mircea_popescu;herp. 1216989;1438201326;mircea_popescu;disarm the police, we'll talk. maybe. 1216990;1438201410;jurov;punkman the problem is, i need it to draw on opengl canvas 1216991;1438201437;mircea_popescu;jurov you sure ? 1216992;1438201450;mircea_popescu;client already has a display thing, hook it. 1216993;1438201525;jurov;yes it is posible to place it as fixed X child window but then it's forever limited to linux/X 1216994;1438201600;jurov;i don't reject that altogether, will see how it goes 1216995;1438201602;punkman;jurov, this might be relevant https://code.google.com/p/fbterm/ 1216996;1438201603;assbot;fbterm - a fast FrameBuffer based TERMinal emulator for linux - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzgBEc ) 1216997;1438201644;jurov;oh i did not mean so lowlevel, there are already text primitives provided 1216998;1438201659;mircea_popescu;jurov no but i mean... read say diana's code, she's usiong native functions to output text in a window 1216999;1438201695;jurov;yes but it's "dumb terminal" 1217000;1438201700;mircea_popescu;let cs handle the canvas bs for you is by far the best idea. and only toucvh the radioactive pile of crap it is via the client api for oyur own safety. 1217001;1438201709;phf;jurov: http://glterm.sourceforge.net/screensh.html maybe? 1217002;1438201710;assbot;glterm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzgRTG ) 1217003;1438201740;jurov;phf that's the ancient thing with rotating letter i mentioned 1217004;1438201747;phf;oh, right 1217005;1438201755;jurov;it can't even get pty properly 1217006;1438201850;*;jurov is sad to label 2002 stuff as ancient 1217007;1438201856;phf;you could use something like https://github.com/selectel/pyte with cs3d's python plugin. that sounds unholy though 1217008;1438201857;assbot;selectel/pyte · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzh8pJ ) 1217009;1438201950;jurov;phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs 1217010;1438201983;jurov;but it does some "paws" homebrew stuff without py bindings 1217011;1438202039;jurov;btw, i naively created swig py bindings just for network messages, .py and .cxx it came out several MB 1217012;1438202057;jurov;and i had to comment out structs nested inside classes 1217013;1438202085;jurov;it eventually compliled, did not dare to try it yet 1217014;1438202168;jurov;as it was said earlier when boost was discussed, either it gets used or some crappy homebrew replacement 1217015;1438202176;jurov;CS does the latter 1217016;1438202211;diana_coman;cs pretty much insists on replacing everything for some reason 1217017;1438202218;diana_coman;from what I saw so far 1217018;1438202223;phf;well, no, the approach would be to implement necessary drawing primitives on top of existing console in eulora (they are probably already there, just need to be catalogued), expose those primitives via python interface, and then hook the primitives into pyte's rendering callbacks. wxwidgets are not involved anywhere 1217019;1438202270;punkman;what's the purpose of this anyway? 1217020;1438202327;jurov;http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-client-freenode-patch/ < dis 1217021;1438202328;assbot;Eulora client Freenode patch on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzhUDk ) 1217022;1438202357;jurov;phf, python will be for things that are likely to change, players scripting actions 1217023;1438202405;jurov;i am not passing output and esp. keyboard/mouse input through that just to draw terminal emulator 1217024;1438202417;phf;:> 1217025;1438202487;jurov;dvtm is few concise 3kloc C files that know how to manage MxN text matrix+attributes 1217026;1438202711;jurov;btw williamdunne everyone is hating on eulora that it does not have official website, you're welcome to put together one 1217027;1438202769;jurov;and get paid in quality bits of nothing ;D 1217028;1438203075;shinohai;"get paid in quality bits of nothing" <<< Dogecoin ? 1217029;1438203106;jurov;lol no it's real eulora item 1217030;1438203121;shinohai;^______________^ 1217031;1438203287;jurov;http://www.mod6.net/eulora/v0.1.0/eulora_010.png here's mod6 posing next to heap of them 1217032;1438203289;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzkide ) 1217033;1438203342;jurov;he's just a bit awkward with camera 1217034;1438203530;shinohai;Seems like everyone here plays this game but me. :/ 1217035;1438203549;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1217036;1438203550;diana_coman;so come over in eulora shinohai 1217037;1438203554;ascii_field;or me 1217038;1438203586;shinohai;I absolutely suck at gaming. The last thing I played and enjoyed was probably Mario Kart. 1217039;1438203609;diana_coman;ha ha, you never know until you try it though 1217040;1438203612;jurov;please don't, eulora is a plot to sabotage the foundation efforts 1217041;1438203620;shinohai;Besides tetris, which I can play inside my irc client. 1217042;1438203641;diana_coman;ah wow, haven't played that in some years, hmmmm 1217043;1438204010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00054899 = 11.968 BTC [+] {3} 1217044;1438205037;mircea_popescu;shit jurov's on to me. 1217045;1438205040;williamdunne;jurov: How convertible are bits of nothing, and how many bits of nothing would it be worth? For personal reasons need some liquid money in my life 1217046;1438205112;mircea_popescu;one's worth like 11 satoshi orsome such. 1217047;1438205322;mod6;jurov: lol, awkward? 1217048;1438205343;jurov;mod6 all shots are from behind 1217049;1438205372;mod6;i play in 3rd person follow 1217050;1438205422;jurov;williamdunne it's not paid per contract, just classical la serenissima voluntary debt 1217051;1438205525;jurov;mircea_popescu will arrange 20 virgins for you when you die or some such 1217052;1438205566;mircea_popescu;jurov nah, diana got like 1k slithy tove. 1217053;1438205582;mircea_popescu;she's the queen of whimsy nao, we all gotta bow to her for samovar goodness. 1217054;1438205651;jurov;guess she has no use for virgins posthumously :D 1217055;1438205660;diana_coman;ha ha jurov 1217056;1438205679;jurov;but seriously, eulora's economy is several BTC worth by now 1217057;1438205885;jurov;i got bitcents worth of nifty items, too, for free (and overpaid for others.. that's life) 1217058;1438205951;mircea_popescu;actually eulora economy is like 10 btc. 1217059;1438205994;punkman;what would some starter mining/crafting tools cost me? 1217060;1438206016;punkman;too bad I lost the bezzlebag :/ 1217061;1438206098;jurov;you can mine barehanded 1217062;1438206103;diana_coman;punkman you can even mine with your hands for that matter, so for free 1217063;1438206119;mircea_popescu;punkman you can mine for free, ill give you some bits of nothing for your tinies for free also. 1217064;1438206128;diana_coman;and bits of nothing are like 11-12 satoshi or you'll prolly get some for free from someone (me even) 1217065;1438206131;mircea_popescu;you can buy thread for your smalls, i sell high q stuff at ~430 each 1217066;1438206143;mircea_popescu;but prolly best off selling your smal claims to a higher mienr for cash or a cut or w/e 1217067;1438206694;trinque;williamdunne: iirc gabriel_laddel had common lisp work 1217068;1438206711;trinque;might inquire with him 1217069;1438207727;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0411075db229a268757b8505016b7d74/tumblr_mpugr9ob0j1rmxgp0o1_1280.jpg 1217070;1438207727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7IK78 ) 1217071;1438207756;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-best-obamacare-makes-healthcare-affordable-story-you-ever-heard-also-survivalism/ 1217072;1438207757;assbot;The best Obamacare-makes-healthcare-affordable story you ever heard. Also, survivalism. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7IODO ) 1217073;1438207761;*;mircea_popescu waves at lobbesbot 1217074;1438207837;mircea_popescu; phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs << rewriting it on wxwidgets not illegal ftr. 1217075;1438207994;hanbot;achtung noobkart. stator's distfiles manifest lists a boost bz2, ml67 pulls in gz. bz2 from sourceforge doesn't match manifest's sha512sum, where is correct bz2 located? 1217076;1438208063;trinque;sourceforge are scum 1217077;1438208064;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1217078;1438208065;mircea_popescu;!b 3 1217079;1438208066;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/20670SX.txt ) 1217080;1438208085;trinque;I can put my copies of the distfiles on deedbot.org 1217081;1438208091;trinque;which do match. 1217082;1438208097;mircea_popescu;she had me at achtung noobkart. sort-of like you know, armored ? 1217083;1438208108;trinque;haha 1217084;1438208128;hanbot;trinque ya but said ml67 pulls in from sourceforge, whaddamigonnado. deedbot would be great 1217085;1438208138;trinque;I dunno ask ben_vulpes 1217086;1438208151;hanbot;mircea_popescu with trumpets flatulant 1217087;1438208185;mircea_popescu;http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk129/slayercat27/Cathelmet.jpg << the original noobkart pilot, of course 1217088;1438208186;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7JMjz ) 1217089;1438208635;trinque;hanbot: http://deedbot.org/stator-distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 1217090;1438208644;trinque;db and openssl are also there 1217091;1438208798;hanbot;thanks tringue. still doesn't match sha512sum however (boost) 1217092;1438208885;hanbot;i'd assume i'm doing something horribly backwards except that db and openssl check out. 1217093;1438208951;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217073 << i think you mean williamdunne's scoopbot_revived 1217094;1438208951;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 22:09:21; *: mircea_popescu waves at lobbesbot 1217095;1438208952;shinohai;@ hanbot I had same boost issues, had to roll my own 1217096;1438208986;pete_dushenski;which, if it's acting up, isn't much of a cv, mr. dunne ! 1217097;1438209066;pete_dushenski;so self-scoop time it is : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/29/bringing-the-fight-to-the-construction-industry/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/29/watch-bryan-caplan-and-econlog-get-their-heads-stuck-in-the-sand-like-really-incredibly-stuck/ 1217098;1438209067;assbot;Bringing the fight to the construction industry. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzxVce ) 1217099;1438209068;assbot;Watch Bryan Caplan and EconLog get their heads stuck in the sand. Like really, incredibly stuck. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzxXki ) 1217100;1438209086;hanbot;shinohai i noticed in logs, yeah. so asciilifeform , when you're around: where oh where is stator's boost bz2 from? 1217101;1438209092;mod6;hanbot: prior to stator we used .tar.gz on boost, not sure why alf started using .bz2 at that point. 1217102;1438209161;hanbot;mod6 interesting. anyway i want to see what he sez. 1217103;1438209171;pete_dushenski;lel. yelp! lost a quarter of its 'value' today. 1217104;1438209191;shinohai;I didn't know you could value yelp! in negatves 1217105;1438209193;pete_dushenski;let this be a lesson to 'i just want to make a service' kids 1217106;1438209304;pete_dushenski;yelp market cap now 1.87 bn and is down 70% this year. wd sv ! 1217107;1438209330;pete_dushenski;sorry, -70% in past 12 months, -54% in 2015 1217108;1438209391;pete_dushenski;actually now back to march 2013 ipo price of ~$25 1217109;1438209522;trinque;hanbot: does on my end 1217110;1438209526;trinque;wtf? 1217111;1438209530;trinque;what's the shasum you have 1217112;1438209773;trinque;yelp, also scum 1217113;1438209788;trinque;as far as I can tell their business model is extortion 1217114;1438209848;trinque; $ sha512sum boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 1217115;1438209851;trinque;fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 1217116;1438209858;trinque;hanbot: ^ from the server 1217117;1438209881;trinque;that's what I have in my stator manifest 1217118;1438209987;mod6;fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 1217119;1438210019;mod6;i get the same thing on mine -- the (bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz has a script that pulls that one via curl command): 1217120;1438210033;mod6;boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" 1217121;1438210033;mod6;curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 1217122;1438210049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24299 @ 0.00051492 = 12.512 BTC [-] 1217123;1438210234;mod6;and this is what all of my older v0.5.3.1 builds have pulled down for the .tar.gz: 1217124;1438210237;mod6;8de651beb9a48f91f8a797f44966b8f25c3351d6893c1d79969aeb2ded3adeaf8fc14aa9b8a4410081dde9ef155330b41a4982a62b55adde40bb73f0066c74a2 distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.gz 1217125;1438210244;punkman;mod6: above curl command doesn't work for me 1217126;1438210264;mod6;did you enter the line above it first? 1217127;1438210311;mod6;i put this in the stator.sh script. it pulls them down, have tried on 3 different environments of my own, and independantly verified 2x otherwise. 1217128;1438210362;mod6;anyway, this is all gonna change. 1217129;1438210433;mod6;punkman: did you try the line above it first? the first line: boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" << sets a environment variable. is required for the second part to work: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 1217130;1438210579;mod6;anyway, that has nothing to do with anything 1217131;1438210589;punkman;mod6, yeah it worked now, but got html more than once 1217132;1438210591;mod6;because alf's original stator doens't have that in there. 1217133;1438210605;mod6;he expects everyone to pull down their own bundles. 1217134;1438210630;mod6;The Foundation isn't going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin. 1217135;1438210695;mod6;How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems. 1217136;1438210696;punkman;just host the dependencis on therealbitcoin.org 1217137;1438210701;mod6;No no. 1217138;1438210744;mod6;Only in some sort of catestrophic circumstance will we do such a thing. 1217139;1438210765;mod6;Like sourceforge goes away, or OpenSSL gets a million pound shit dropped on its head. 1217140;1438211037;trinque;mod6: I think that's wise, actually. 1217141;1438211048;trinque;it's a neverending mess 1217142;1438211149;mod6;Trying to create a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction. 1217143;1438211172;mod6;We're gonna do what we do, deliver bitcoin source code. 1217144;1438211180;mod6;The rest is all secondary. 1217145;1438211200;mod6;And truly none of our business. 1217146;1438211244;mod6;If asciilifeform needs a fully deterministic static bitcoind for his use, then sure, he can use whatever means he needs to achieve that. 1217147;1438211263;mod6;And if someone wants to run a dynamically linked version? Who are we to tell them 'no'? 1217148;1438211379;mod6;That all being said, I'm super glad that 'rotor' is out there now, and I hope to learn and use it one day myself. Maybe even this week! But that shouldn't be something that we deliver. 1217149;1438211390;mod6;That should be something that you use for what we deliver. 1217150;1438211436;trinque;its clearly a separate concern from the source itself, aside from which roof it is under. 1217151;1438211437;shinohai;I like everything except this goddamned pogo. If I had gasoline in the house I'd set it afire this very moment. 1217152;1438211459;*;mod6 takes away shinohai's matches 1217153;1438211496;mod6;Porkchop time! 1217154;1438211506;shinohai;I'm a smoker, I have tons of lighters. :D 1217155;1438211510;mod6;haha 1217156;1438212367;punkman;https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/29/i-run-a-university-im-also-an-uber-driver/ 1217157;1438212368;assbot;I run a university. I’m also an Uber driver. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIWHsO ) 1217158;1438212500;trinque;dude, there's a lot of talent in the suckless wot 1217159;1438212513;trinque;http://sta.li/ << neat concept 1217160;1438212514;assbot;sta.li stali - static linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIX9Y2 ) 1217161;1438212551;trinque;http://www.radare.org/r/ << another one of their guys 1217162;1438212552;assbot;radare ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIXf20 ) 1217163;1438212876;BingoBoingo;This also looks promising http://morpheus.2f30.org/ 1217164;1438212877;assbot;Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs ) 1217165;1438212918;shinohai;Daily Windowze10 lolz from 4chan: https://i.imgur.com/s274w4E.png 1217166;1438212919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYka6 ) 1217167;1438213127;trinque;BingoBoingo: neat 1217168;1438213153;BingoBoingo;trinque: Linked from that sta.li page you posted 1217169;1438213178;trinque;oh shit it uses a unionfs for packages! 1217170;1438213184;trinque;a la haiku 1217171;1438213186;trinque;love that. 1217172;1438213450;BingoBoingo;Also the blog post announcing it, love the comment drama http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110727064007/http://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2010/02/stali.html 1217173;1438213452;assbot;Eleven is Louder: Stali ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIZSRf ) 1217174;1438213980;trinque;I'm curious why these guys don't seem to have considered using openbsd as a basis 1217175;1438213992;trinque;given their expressed love of simplicity 1217176;1438214013;trinque;the linux kernel is the biggest wad of complexity in... linux 1217177;1438214045;trinque;seems most of their stuff would run happily atop it 1217178;1438214337;hanbot;trinque my sha512sum was of old, stale item. refreshed, matches, tyvm. 1217179;1438214367;trinque;ah, cool. 1217180;1438214536;phf;trinque: probably same reason openbsd is not the blessed b-a target platform 1217181;1438214841;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_modem 1217182;1438214890;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217135 << no makefile??! 1217183;1438214890;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 22:58:15; mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems. 1217184;1438214957;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be a separate concern 1217185;1438214963;trinque;if it was that, sounds pretty reasonable to me 1217186;1438214975;trinque;I think he's just trying to limit the scope of what constitutes a foundation release 1217187;1438214981;trinque;but I'll let the man speak for himself 1217188;1438215052;trinque;I can see how the thing tends towards "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe" otherwise 1217189;1438215617;trinque;phf: why's that in your opinion? 1217190;1438215643;trinque;I'm about ready to give linux the permaboot 1217191;1438215669;trinque;though I suppose in terms of hardware support (pogo, so on) it does better. 1217192;1438215835;trinque;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/06/one_million_new_lines_of_code_hit_linux_kernel/ << this shit makes me so damned uncomfortable 1217193;1438215836;assbot;ONE MILLION new lines of code hit Linux Kernel • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuwCe2 ) 1217194;1438215844;BingoBoingo;linux per se doesn't seem to be the problem so much as linus, as traditionally implemented is 1217195;1438215894;mod6;<+trinque> asciilifeform: I don't think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be a separate concern << exactly this. Makefile stays ofc. 1217196;1438215907;trinque;mod6: right-o 1217197;1438216441;shinohai;If anyone gets rotor to successfully build on the pogo, please, by all means contact me. 1217198;1438216482;trinque;shinohai: are you trying to compile for the pogo, or *on* the pogo? 1217199;1438216492;trinque;because the latter results in oomkill iirc 1217200;1438216513;trinque;I tried it for the hell of it a while back 1217201;1438216518;trinque;on a debian pogo 1217202;1438216590;shinohai;trinque: *for* the pogo. *on* the pogo is just dumb. 1217203;1438216624;shinohai;Boost alone takes like 10 hours to build. 1217204;1438216643;trinque;haha just checking 1217205;1438216673;trinque;alright so I'm seeing something 1217206;1438216679;trinque;mod6: maybe you guys need a build/test crew. 1217207;1438216686;trinque;so you can stop fucking worrying about it 1217208;1438216691;trinque;that I could probably help with. 1217209;1438216715;shinohai;Hell, I even got it to build on Ubuntu, the dumbest of Linux systems I know of. 1217210;1438216747;trinque;my C++ is middling to poor, but I can bash it up all day 1217211;1438216760;shinohai;Me too :/ 1217212;1438216779;shinohai;Except my C++ is poor, no question about it. 1217213;1438216923;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: good afternoon 1217214;1438216938;ag3nt_zer0;hey trinque same to you... how's life? 1217215;1438216954;trinque;s'alright, hacking and drinking beer at a local pub. yourself? 1217216;1438216964;ag3nt_zer0;sounds great 1217217;1438217010;ag3nt_zer0;s'ok man... i started a countdown that clicks away until I plan to embark on a two year backpack around the world 1217218;1438217049;phf;trinque: linux seems to support everything and with some effort you could strip it down somewhat. i think linux also has a policy of never breaking abi, so if you're into static compilation, like ascii said sometime ago "if stator binary breaks on your other linux something's very very wrong" 1217219;1438217054;ag3nt_zer0;which means it hasnt been that great haha but I am looking forward to getting the fuck out of here so there is a light on the horizon 1217220;1438217068;ag3nt_zer0;10 months, 18 days 1217221;1438217086;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: sounds like the ussa bureaucracy has been rough, yeah 1217222;1438217105;trinque;I'd like to do the backpack thing at some point too 1217223;1438217113;trinque;phf: yeah, I can see that 1217224;1438217125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89446 @ 0.00052197 = 46.6881 BTC [+] {3} 1217225;1438217126;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: exactly... not to mention the twatbrains that constitute the majority of my contemporaries 1217226;1438217208;ag3nt_zer0;this room seems to be the only place wherein any type of free discussion takes place... not stultified by PC and other too-intense sentimentalisms 1217227;1438217220;trinque;cheers to that. 1217228;1438217226;ag3nt_zer0;what kind of beer you sipping? 1217229;1438217235;trinque;garbage, rainier 1217230;1438217239;ag3nt_zer0;hehe 1217231;1438217297;ag3nt_zer0;aht part of the states you in trinque? 1217232;1438217302;ag3nt_zer0;what 1217233;1438217305;trinque;I hail from portland, or 1217234;1438217314;ag3nt_zer0;oh, nice 1217235;1438217315;trinque;formerly austin tx 1217236;1438217343;trinque;yourself? 1217237;1438217347;ag3nt_zer0;oh austin... both places are on my list as possibilities to reside if I make it back from my trip 1217238;1438217359;ag3nt_zer0;currently in silly valley 1217239;1438217359;trinque;austin's a great place imo 1217240;1438217377;trinque;portland's ok if you can ignore or enjoy abusing the communists 1217241;1438217378;ag3nt_zer0;yeah it seems very nice 1217242;1438217381;trinque;(I am the latter) 1217243;1438217421;trinque;excellent business culture in tx 1217244;1438217428;trinque;they worship capitalism 1217245;1438217433;ag3nt_zer0;I hear that people actually have the strnegth to acknowledge eachothers presence if, you know, colliding on the street 1217246;1438217451;trinque;oh, I've lamented the lack of eye contact on the street in Portland in the hallowed logs 1217247;1438217460;trinque;can't stand that shit 1217248;1438217463;trinque;it's cowardly 1217249;1438217469;ag3nt_zer0;yes it certainly fucking is 1217250;1438217491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.0005256 = 45.1753 BTC [+] {3} 1217251;1438217542;ag3nt_zer0;I noticed a huge spike in this shit post 911/patriot act fear + smartphone... seems these events combined to cinch the asshole up to inpenetrable proportion 1217252;1438217595;ag3nt_zer0;maybe it was the drugs, but I remember the 90s being quite different 1217253;1438217600;qntBot;http://qntra.net/2015/07/kentucky-man-defends-home-from-drone-faces-charges/ 1217254;1438217601;assbot;Kentucky Man Defends Home From Drone, Faces Charges | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Muzms1 ) 1217255;1438217699;trinque;when the fuck did america side with the pussies 1217256;1438217711;*;trinque engages alcohol-induced candor 1217257;1438217717;ag3nt_zer0;haha 1217258;1438217721;trinque;maybe I'm naive, but I'm certain this was not always the case 1217259;1438217778;trinque;and I know the answer to my own question but... damn. 1217260;1438217784;trinque;we had a short run. 1217261;1438217815;trinque;BingoBoingo: an excellent perspective on the news as ever. 1217262;1438217819;punkman;BingoBoingo: " to have been photographic " 1217263;1438217844;ag3nt_zer0;yeah we arent naive... and the fact that we preface our observations with these "conditions" indicates how fucking cancerous the psychic milleu is here in mcsoccermomland... 1217264;1438217852;BingoBoingo;fixed 1217265;1438217866;BingoBoingo;ty trinque 1217266;1438218010;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: I have a half-baked theory that america was merely running on the fumes of the hierarchical beliefs of people that immigrated here 1217267;1438218039;trinque;which dissolved, absent the political structures which conditioned them that way elsewhere 1217268;1438218050;ag3nt_zer0;speaking of texas and guns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CDFxeB7Y-s 1217269;1438218051;assbot;I Can't Believe They Let You Do That! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuAtba ) 1217270;1438218061;trinque;I'll check it out when I leave 1217271;1438218236;williamdunne;trinque: Already done 1217272;1438218246;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Whats scoop doin? 1217273;1438218289;trinque;williamdunne: cool 1217274;1438218323;williamdunne;Oh, scoop is disconnected from IRC but not the internet. I'll look into it 1217275;1438218331;williamdunne;Ah I know what it will have been 1217276;1438218334;williamdunne;Very unique issue 1217277;1438218346;williamdunne;I'll fix it in a mo 1217278;1438218376;trinque;every irc bot is such a turd 1217279;1438218397;trinque;guy that wrote tenyks told me I hate trannies, fucking cunt 1217280;1438218404;trinque;I'm gonna eventually write one that works in CL 1217281;1438218417;punkman;lolwut 1217282;1438218421;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: my old neighbor here in scam jose just bought a huge spread in merlin, OR... she showed me some pics it looks so nice... 1217283;1438218432;trinque;punkman: I said to him that the guy who was run out of some ruby project for being catholic was wronged. 1217284;1438218437;trinque;and he went total SJW on me 1217285;1438218448;trinque;unimpressed, and he wrote the bot I based deedbot- on 1217286;1438218455;trinque;I loathe these people. 1217287;1438218476;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: it's a truly beautiful state, but the people here are red-blooded communists 1217288;1438218489;trinque;I'm thinking of heading a bit north to WA 1217289;1438218493;ag3nt_zer0;yeah the whole left coast 1217290;1438218506;trinque;at least WA has a bit more get-up-and-go 1217291;1438218510;ag3nt_zer0;yeah beenlookinf there too.. and montana, and alaska 1217292;1438218532;trinque;hell we should probably all go swing our highly competent dicks in Buenos Aires at some point. 1217293;1438218549;ag3nt_zer0;sounds like great fun 1217294;1438218550;trinque;sounds like they barely know what they want politically 1217295;1438218560;*;trinque departs the bar 1217296;1438218563;trinque;bbl 1217297;1438219016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00051324 = 13.4982 BTC [-] 1217298;1438219227;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217253 << Not to mention the livelihood/employment problems or the international travel restrictions and all the other non-legal consequences doled out to this man by this vastly increasing type of abuse of power 1217299;1438219227;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 00:53:20; qntBot: http://qntra.net/2015/07/kentucky-man-defends-home-from-drone-faces-charges/ 1217300;1438219272;ag3nt_zer0;re: felonies 1217301;1438219463;trinque;so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by a low-flying drone and there isn't shit you can do about it? 1217302;1438219465;trinque;got it. 1217303;1438219978;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217106 << which one is this yelp again ? 1217304;1438219978;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 22:35:04; pete_dushenski: yelp market cap now 1.87 bn and is down 70% this year. wd sv ! 1217305;1438220029;punkman;mircea_popescu: yellow pages thingie 1217306;1438220037;mircea_popescu;oh 1217307;1438220063;mircea_popescu;myeah, prime target for revolutionizing, they used to be big data in the 70s 1217308;1438220125;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217134 << o.O ?! 1217309;1438220125;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 22:57:10; mod6: The Foundation isn't going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin. 1217310;1438220207;mircea_popescu;doesn't sound like too bright an idea. 1217311;1438220231;mircea_popescu;for that matter, sourceforge did go away. 1217312;1438220350;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else. 1217313;1438220350;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 23:05:49; mod6: Trying to create a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction. 1217314;1438220389;mircea_popescu;this "pure code" approach is no different from every other "pure research" proposition - sure, you're purely able to pursue pure goals now, but the cost is any conceivable relevancy. 1217315;1438220495;mircea_popescu;in any case in the triangle "monthly releases" "mod6 does all teh work" "bitcoind is usable" i'm not going to pick the first two for fucks sake. 1217316;1438220510;mircea_popescu;what sort of priorities be these. 1217317;1438220579;mircea_popescu;"In just five years, Uber has accumulated enough rideshare industry milestones to make your head spin. The total distance traveled by all Uber drivers would take you to Planet Saturn and back. " 1217318;1438220596;*;BingoBoingo taking time to nuke ophanages from 0.7.2 ish Bastard block annihilator pretty much works as ascii offered it. 1217319;1438220600;mircea_popescu;blergh, fucktarded sales copy, i guess i'm the dumbass for not noticing it's washitpo again 1217320;1438220692;mircea_popescu;ahahaha ads in windows 10 ? win. 1217321;1438220710;mircea_popescu;"cortana" the resurgent paperclip ? bwahaha 1217322;1438220782;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217178 << lolk. 1217323;1438220782;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 23:58:57; hanbot: trinque my sha512sum was of old, stale item. refreshed, matches, tyvm. 1217324;1438220820;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217180 << what reason would that be ? 1217325;1438220820;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 00:02:16; phf: trinque: probably same reason openbsd is not the blessed b-a target platform 1217326;1438220896;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217206 << from what i'm seeing this is actually slowly emerging. 1217327;1438220896;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 00:37:59; trinque: mod6: maybe you guys need a build/test crew. 1217328;1438220989;mircea_popescu;"early experiments show that statically linked binaries are usually smaller than their dynamically linked glibc counterparts!!!" 1217329;1438220995;mircea_popescu;god help foss srsly. 1217330;1438221012;mircea_popescu;"Note, this is pretty much contrary to what Ulrich Drepper reckons about static linking." << everywhere a gavin! 1217331;1438221021;mircea_popescu;some fucktard who "recknons" and so on. 1217332;1438221211;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217261< word 1217333;1438221211;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 00:56:55; trinque: BingoBoingo: an excellent perspective on the news as ever. 1217334;1438221212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00051311 = 29.5551 BTC [-] {3} 1217335;1438221273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36106 @ 0.00052234 = 18.8596 BTC [+] 1217336;1438221284;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217263 << that's actually remarkably apt, mcsoccermomland. 1217337;1438221284;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 00:57:24; ag3nt_zer0: yeah we arent naive... and the fact that we preface our observations with these "conditions" indicates how fucking cancerous the psychic milleu is here in mcsoccermomland... 1217338;1438221320;mircea_popescu;that'd be the problem. too much convenience, and allowing women the illusion that anyone asked them for any input in the big question of whether their offspring survives or not. 1217339;1438221334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5644 @ 0.00052234 = 2.9481 BTC [+] 1217340;1438221483;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217301 << the legal precedent is that if you're thye sort of guy that solves his own poroblems rather than seek the help of the state, you're a self-radicalizing terrorists and general wesley snipes of nato wants you in treblinka 1217341;1438221483;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 01:24:23; trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by a low-flying drone and there isn't shit you can do about it? 1217342;1438221487;mircea_popescu;or somethinglikethat. 1217343;1438221568;trinque;no kidding. the resistance to intelligence is palpable. 1217344;1438222027;decimation;usg claims *all* airspace on its lands, starting at 0 feet 1217345;1438222106;decimation;just like usg claims all your ideas: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;" 1217346;1438222124;decimation;^ how could the constition give you your ideas if usg didn't own them first? 1217347;1438222310;hanbot;doesn't seem to claim any ownership 1217348;1438222485;decimation;it's an implict claim 1217349;1438222556;trinque;I reject entirely the notion that concepts can be owned. 1217350;1438222573;hanbot;and also beer. 1217351;1438222579;trinque;yeah beer too 1217352;1438222684;trinque;because they don't own the concept if that's what they claim they're doing 1217353;1438222689;trinque;it implies massive domination of *action* 1217354;1438222698;hanbot;i suppose this works ok up until one morning you wake up to find we've all changed nicks to trinque and there's just no way to make any sort of further sense of b-a 1217355;1438222727;trinque;I dun geddit, yet lol 1217356;1438222757;hanbot;at the very least classes must own their names. 1217357;1438222820;trinque;I will revise to: no one can prevent me from making use of a concept; they live in the mind 1217358;1438222836;trinque;I'm responding to decimation re: IP 1217359;1438222841;hanbot;for as long as they stay there i doubt anyone cares. 1217360;1438222865;trinque;to the extent that someone thinks they own a concept, I may lie and let him think so 1217361;1438222870;trinque;yet I will use the concept any way that benefits me 1217362;1438222912;hanbot;well the way it usually works is that if you try to make the movie / tshirt / book of the concept you end up losing whatever profits. 1217363;1438223078;trinque;sure, and those are actions, and someone may or may not use their power to foil you 1217364;1438223082;trinque;but you can't own a fucking concept 1217365;1438223086;trinque;those are arrangements of language 1217366;1438223121;hanbot;you're fighting a strawman, really. might as well claim "nobody could truly own a cow". they just take the milk is all. 1217367;1438223137;hanbot;"beneficial ownership" 1217368;1438223163;BingoBoingo;So transaction orphanage not as clean to cut out of 0.7.2 but done. Bitcoin running. Now to see if it catches up. 1217369;1438223173;trinque;I'm speaking about the cultural vulgarity of "I own that idea" 1217370;1438223179;trinque;if you disagree, so be it 1217371;1438223193;trinque;controlling an idea requires an immensely more repressed society than I would prefer to live in 1217372;1438223214;trinque;I only live that my thoughts may be less encumbered by morons by the day 1217373;1438223284;hanbot;obviously the whole ip thing needs you not to own your bank account to work. places where that's not available develop a knockoff culture and get pretty loud. see south east asia. 1217374;1438223341;hanbot;the choices you get are the choices you get. the choices you wish to make are something else. 1217375;1438223350;mod6;mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be just fine if we don't ship a "stator.sh" or an "auto.sh" in the source and simply just maintain a cookbook and preferred steps like I was saying here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217135 1217376;1438223350;assbot;Logged on 29-07-2015 22:58:15; mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems. 1217377;1438223368;mod6;? 1217378;1438223451;decimation;the US used to have a knockoff culture for its first hundred years or so 1217379;1438223469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00051302 = 34.2184 BTC [-] 1217380;1438223474;decimation;british machines were brought to the us to undercut english goods 1217381;1438223482;mircea_popescu;mod6 actually... the ideal is something like http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora 1217382;1438223484;assbot;Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPP8N ) 1217383;1438223494;mod6;exactly what I'm referring to. 1217384;1438223500;mircea_popescu;not merely just an auto.sh, but step by step instructions to a level of detail never seen in open source. 1217385;1438223504;mod6;you brought that up the otherday, agree 100% 1217386;1438223520;mircea_popescu;more's the point here, i get the impression you're chaffing under too much workload. 1217387;1438223523;mircea_popescu;!up mitzip 1217388;1438223541;mod6;we need something that people can utilize to make it work. i totally agree with that. and scripts and other widgets to make it work could even be a separate bundle. 1217389;1438223574;mod6;well, i've been pushin pretty hard as far as work load -- what scares me is taking on buildroot and trying to bundle/test the entire thing. 1217390;1438223601;mircea_popescu;ok but listen, deep breath time. 1217391;1438223610;mod6;and besides, we haven't exactly had great luck with our own build scripts to date. 1217392;1438223612;mircea_popescu;useful work is useful work. taking responsibility for the whole world is a different story. 1217393;1438223615;mircea_popescu;why mix the two. 1217394;1438223640;trinque;mod6: I've already been testing some of your stuff; if nobody else wants to manage the build script, I'm fine with it 1217395;1438223647;mircea_popescu;sure, not to date. but we're not going by the criteria of what is easy, so we don't really care. if we won't have success for the next decade we'll be here trying it in 2026. 1217396;1438223648;trinque;offer's open 1217397;1438223659;trinque;I've got a 4u collecting dust, etc etc 1217398;1438223697;trinque;ben_vulpes has also put some work into his own script, so maybe he wants to handle it 1217399;1438223818;mod6;trinque: he and i discussed this breifly. and I won't speak for him here. but i wouldn't have said what I said earlier without at least a discussion about that. 1217400;1438223827;mod6;i think he's as tired of our build script problems as I am. 1217401;1438223837;mod6;which is why he said he wrote that in the first place. 1217402;1438223840;mod6;but mircea_popescu makes sense. 1217403;1438223847;trinque;yeah, I mean the thing needs a derpinstaller 1217404;1438223851;trinque;there aren't enough smart people in the world 1217405;1438223861;trinque;even among the smart people... :p 1217406;1438223880;mircea_popescu;mod6 just don't go to this dark place where "omg it's the 29th and i must have a working final version of bitcoind to announce 1217407;1438223881;mircea_popescu;" 1217408;1438223895;mircea_popescu;you don't belong there, and moreover that's just not our company style. 1217409;1438223897;mod6;oh no. i wasn't planning on that at all this month anyway. 1217410;1438223906;mod6;not even for a few months -- even before rotor came out. 1217411;1438223936;mod6;the idea was; put out this test bundle and see if we're on the right track and if anyone hits any problems with any of the patches. 1217412;1438223972;mircea_popescu;that said, obviously the effort to make anything work on the stack of shit we inherited from our retarded ancestors is nothing short of immense. but, chipping away at it is going to deliver, and confronting it is definitely going to show us a few useful things. 1217413;1438223999;mircea_popescu;mod6 so far 90%+ of the problems have been with installation, from what i've seen 1217414;1438224053;mod6;yeah totally agree. and i can't help but wonder if it's simply because of things that each persons different host has not installed by default. but it's hard to account for all of that. 1217415;1438224059;mod6;hard, not impossible. 1217416;1438224085;mircea_popescu;yeah. still, it's valuable to try, because if you help people they'll help you. 1217417;1438224090;mircea_popescu;later on. 1217418;1438224129;mircea_popescu;otherwise struggling with installers etc is a horrid trudge, but it is also an investment in human capital. 1217419;1438224208;mod6;so i guess there is still a bit of a fork in the road; even if we do all of the hard work of ensuring peoples host dependantcies are installed before any compiling is even attempted, do we even want that to be a thing, as stan said, this is now obsolete. And do we now maintain a lot of other things for buildroot? 1217420;1438224256;mircea_popescu;we will have to at the very least maintain packages we want to use, in the basic sense of, archival for download. 1217421;1438224271;mircea_popescu;this sounds patently insane, i agree, but i just recently discovered in unrelated proejct that it's unavoidable. 1217422;1438224281;mircea_popescu;sourceforge goes down, there goes youre entire project, seriously ? 1217423;1438224289;mircea_popescu;can't even afford this for eulora, let alone for bitcoin. 1217424;1438224302;mod6;yeah I saw that about the eulora thing. 1217425;1438224316;mircea_popescu;and do not buy into the illusion that it was an isolated incident. 1217426;1438224328;mircea_popescu;it could happenb to sf, it can and definitely will happen to github etc. 1217427;1438224428;mod6;so should we still create scripts for people to build without buildroot (i.e. stator.sh/auto.sh) and then host packages for the ability to construct a buildroot with a drop-in of the foundation source? 1217428;1438224435;punkman;I'm willing to contribute Ansible scripts to deploy/build/debug instances of bitcoind via ssh to different machines. for automating some of the testing workload. 1217429;1438224457;decimation;http://www.wsj.com/article_email/github-raises-250-million-at-2-billion-valuation-1438206722-lMyQjAxMTA1NjI1OTEyNzk0Wj 1217430;1438224459;assbot;GitHub Raises $250 Million at $2 Billion Valuation - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYQ5Vh ) 1217431;1438224493;trinque;punkman: yeah, I was thinking my 4u could be a build/test box 1217432;1438224502;trinque;after all, that's apparently what it did for the kernel devs, haha 1217433;1438224524;mircea_popescu;mod6 i'm not entirely sure how the specifics should work out. bit of an open question atm 1217434;1438224544;mircea_popescu;but i'm pretty sure can't simply abandon the entire userland question, it'd be a major strategic mistake. 1217435;1438224557;mod6;i agree. i'm just being careful not to create more work for myself/others than necessary. 1217436;1438224568;mircea_popescu;i can appreciate that. 1217437;1438224600;mircea_popescu;decimation that's what makes it suspicious. 20mn slashdot, 2bn github. because... reasons. 1217438;1438224607;mod6;ok well.... thanks for setting me straight. 1217439;1438224651;mircea_popescu;anyway, you should prolly take a bit of time away from the hands on work you love and do some management stuff. 1217440;1438224664;mircea_popescu;at the very least draw a schema of what and how needs done so people's offers to help can be plugged in 1217441;1438224671;punkman;trinque, sure set it up with your choice of OS and I'll write one for you 1217442;1438224681;trinque;punkman: bitchin' 1217443;1438224687;decimation;well, it's all theoretical valuation 1217444;1438224692;trinque;it already has a basic gentoo install 1217445;1438224699;decimation;nobody has offered to buy the thing for $2b as far as I know 1217446;1438224705;mod6;mircea_popescu: ok sure. can do. 1217447;1438224711;mircea_popescu;decimation you kiddin' me, it could buy out all the russia! 1217448;1438224718;mircea_popescu;o wait, wrong one huh. nm. 1217449;1438224766;decimation;https://github.com/nixxquality/WebMConverter/commit/c1ac0baac06fa7175677a4a1bf65860a84708d67 lul 1217450;1438224768;assbot;https://imgur.com/QC51FZz · nixxquality/WebMConverter@c1ac0ba · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYQebn ) 1217451;1438224774;decimation;apparently github has turned into fark 1217452;1438224847;mircea_popescu;lol 1217453;1438224933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73335 @ 0.00051302 = 37.6223 BTC [-] 1217454;1438225041;mircea_popescu;no but just for my curiosity, what's github to do with a quarter bil ? 1217455;1438225053;mircea_popescu;buy each employee ten dumptrucks full of pens ? 1217456;1438225114;decimation;buy sourceforge and scam? 1217457;1438225116;decimation;I donno 1217458;1438225136;decimation;it's kinda the same question as "what's apple gonna do with $60b" 1217459;1438225179;decimation;one guess: hire a full-time staff of indians to vigilantly search committed code for perceived slights 1217460;1438225182;trinque;god knows why, america is drunk on QE 1217461;1438225200;decimation;maybe they can get into the space business too 1217462;1438225321;decimation;lol 'rotor' immediately fails on osx 10.10 with "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales" 1217463;1438225339;decimation;I'm sure the homos at apple support utf8, but apparently it doesn't work with whatever buildroot wants 1217464;1438225373;decimation;!up julmac 1217465;1438225421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17436 @ 0.00053317 = 9.2964 BTC [+] 1217466;1438225750;decimation;lol the problem was that buildroot was grepping 'locale -a' for utf8, while apple uses 'utf-8' 1217467;1438225842;trinque;http://xtnodes.com/ << even their bullshit graph is on the descent 1217468;1438225844;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH ) 1217469;1438225909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.000535 = 12.519 BTC [+] 1217470;1438226047;mircea_popescu;trinque you don't understand how "consensus" works 1217471;1438226076;trinque;they're building it? 1217472;1438226153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50916 @ 0.00052796 = 26.8816 BTC [-] {3} 1217473;1438226156;mircea_popescu;the funny thing will be that this schmuck will still be going around pretending like he actually exists and so forth even after this idiocy goes the way of neobee and "bitcoin security experts group" 1217474;1438226177;mircea_popescu;just like phantomcircuit still goes around, an aethero waiting to happen. 1217475;1438226194;mircea_popescu;somewhat related, chain jiggling. http://33.media.tumblr.com/d4a5a524277a7efa25c66c7760493d89/tumblr_mumme8jB3v1szhqszo1_500.gif 1217476;1438226195;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U87BaM ) 1217477;1438226438;mircea_popescu;decimation check it out, they need a metalocale. hopefully implemented as multibyte too! 1217478;1438226442;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; ) 1217479;1438226446;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1217480;1438226501;mircea_popescu;p=3. hm. 1217481;1438226655;decimation;heh yeah. apple makes up standards as they go 1217482;1438226731;mircea_popescu;(ftr, intrigeri is something crazy with the bug reports, may be all-internet record holder) 1217483;1438227100;mircea_popescu;yup, that's the only time so far 3 appears alone as a factor. 1217484;1438227365;decimation;interesting 1217485;1438227374;decimation;seems like someone trolling maybe? 1217486;1438227389;decimation;sigh a few more moles whacked and now this (on osx): xattr-at.c:36:20: error: too few arguments to function 'setxattr' 1217487;1438227409;decimation;seems as though linux and osx and bsd use different 'attr' functions 1217488;1438227741;decimation;on the other hand, surely 'tar' builds on osx. perhaps another night 1217489;1438228392;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217312 << very much, this 1217490;1438228392;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else 1217491;1438228478;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217314 << bitcoin is - necessarily an operating system. sad but true. you lot ought to be thankful that it is not just as necessarily a ~device~. 1217492;1438228478;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:49; mircea_popescu: this "pure code" approach is no different from every other "pure research" proposition - sure, you're purely able to pursue pure goals now, but the cost is any conceivable relevancy. 1217493;1438228550;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217330 << we vivisected drepper here on several occasions. he is ~the~ most accomplished publicly-known gavin thus far. 1217494;1438228550;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 01:50:12; mircea_popescu: "Note, this is pretty much contrary to what Ulrich Drepper reckons about static linking." << everywhere a gavin! 1217495;1438228563;asciilifeform;responsible, iirc, for ~all~ of the known bash exploits 1217496;1438228575;asciilifeform;and the 'locales' bullshit 1217497;1438228581;asciilifeform;and libnss, etc 1217498;1438228776;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217395 << if i have to ship a bootable linux iso, buildrooted for the purpose of building a) self b) bitcoin - i will. in fact, yes, i have this up my sleeve, BUT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO USE IT instead of retarduntu etc 1217499;1438228776;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 02:34:07; mircea_popescu: sure, not to date. but we're not going by the criteria of what is easy, so we don't really care. if we won't have success for the next decade we'll be here trying it in 2026. 1217500;1438228913;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217462 << pretty sure i disabled locales... 1217501;1438228913;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 03:02:01; decimation: lol 'rotor' immediately fails on osx 10.10 with "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales" 1217502;1438228918;asciilifeform;and fuck crapple 1217503;1438228923;asciilifeform;it can burn in hell. 1217504;1438228990;asciilifeform;ferfuckssake, WHY do folks persist in trying to develop on retarded osen ? 1217505;1438228995;asciilifeform;why, why ??? 1217506;1438229017;asciilifeform;it takes what, ten minutes to install 'centos 6.5' ? 1217507;1438229030;asciilifeform;which is not sexy, not gentooitic, no, but behaves ~reasonably~ 1217508;1438229178;decimation;heh I hear you man 1217509;1438229188;decimation;but I have old crapple laptops that I would like to use 1217510;1438229194;decimation;without losing laptop features like sleep 1217511;1438229240;asciilifeform;go, use. 1217512;1438229249;decimation;well, use as bitcoind hosts 1217513;1438229251;asciilifeform;i won't presume to tell other people to use, or not use. 1217514;1438229284;decimation;macports does a pretty good job of porting standard gnu chain to apple 1217515;1438229291;decimation;but they have thier own binary format, etc 1217516;1438229303;asciilifeform;but ~i personally~ will from now on support ~only~ rotor. and soon after, only rotolinux (buildroot for arbitrary arch that includes therealbitcoin and its deps, and toolchain to reconstruct self and the latter.) 1217517;1438229316;decimation;it's a reasonable line 1217518;1438229318;asciilifeform;i will not support vms on vax. 1217519;1438229325;asciilifeform;i will not support soviet pdp-11. 1217520;1438229329;asciilifeform;i will not support mactardation. 1217521;1438229333;asciilifeform;who wants - can. 1217522;1438229336;decimation;in theory it could build 1217523;1438229339;decimation;in practice - hell 1217524;1438229360;asciilifeform;ars longa, vita brevis (tm) (r) 1217525;1438229370;decimation;although I wonder if it will work on any bsd 1217526;1438229372;decimation;probably not 1217527;1438229384;asciilifeform;somebody (mod6?) had it on openbsd 1217528;1438229400;mod6;ya, mine's sync'ing now. 1217529;1438229403;decimation;somehow this xattr stuff must be magicked away 1217530;1438229408;decimation;mod6: you got rotor to build? 1217531;1438229411;mod6;it's going slow, but -verifyall and to usbdrive 1217532;1438229417;mod6;oh, no. stator. 1217533;1438229422;decimation;yeah 1217534;1438229425;mod6;+ other patches 1217535;1438229432;asciilifeform;i will repeat that rotor binary ~is expected to work on all linux from 2.6+~ 1217536;1438229433;decimation;I did that a long time ago 1217537;1438229435;asciilifeform;because static. 1217538;1438229443;asciilifeform;and uses nothing whatsoever but the kernel abi! 1217539;1438229453;mod6;i'll have to take another crack at rotor after month end. 1217540;1438229463;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah but mac uses mach-o 1217541;1438229477;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach-O 1217542;1438229477;assbot;Mach-O - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4BNdJ ) 1217543;1438229498;decimation;some bsd supports linux binaries I think 1217544;1438229510;asciilifeform;who wants - please, do, port to mac, vax, silicongraphics, cray. 1217545;1438229520;asciilifeform;but - i will not. i have other work! 1217546;1438229527;*;decimation wishes I had an old mips sun box 1217547;1438229538;asciilifeform;sun never, afaik, sold a mips 1217548;1438229571;decimation;I thought sparc was derived from mips 1217549;1438229587;mod6;on fbsd there is a linuxcompat kernmod -- but it has issues if you make too many i386 syscalls in your linux code. *shrug* 1217550;1438229589;asciilifeform;genealogically common ancestor, iirc. 1217551;1438229592;asciilifeform;but not derived 1217552;1438229609;decimation;ah I see 1217553;1438229638;mod6;rotolinux sounds awesome btw. 1217554;1438229645;asciilifeform;draft name 1217555;1438229646;decimation;redhat 6 is actually a pretty reasonable os, once you kill the poetteringisms 1217556;1438229651;asciilifeform;it doesn't even deserve a name 1217557;1438229669;asciilifeform;decimation: not decent at all. but ~works~ for this example 1217558;1438229674;asciilifeform;(decent starts 1217559;1438229679;asciilifeform;, at minimum, 1217560;1438229690;asciilifeform;with being able to rebuild 100% of self, from included src 1217561;1438229699;asciilifeform;without downloading anything 1217562;1438229702;decimation;it can do that 1217563;1438229705;decimation;but only if you download 1217564;1438229717;decimation;and there's no bootstrap scripts as far as I know 1217565;1438229730;decimation;redhat still ships with source dvd, if you download and burn the isos 1217566;1438229738;asciilifeform;fuck that 1217567;1438229741;asciilifeform;everything in one iso. 1217568;1438229748;decimation;heh it's like 9 gigs 1217569;1438229752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00052581 = 19.8756 BTC [-] 1217570;1438229763;asciilifeform;there ARE NOT 9 GB of useful src 1217571;1438229765;asciilifeform;period. 1217572;1438229776;decimation;true. someone build centos though, so it must be possible 1217573;1438229782;decimation;obvious unsupported by distro though 1217574;1438229809;asciilifeform;i am also considering bellard's 'tcc' ( http://bellard.org/tcc ) 1217575;1438229817;asciilifeform;which can build kernel at boot time (!) 1217576;1438229823;asciilifeform;and, perhaps, other things 1217577;1438229883;asciilifeform;so, at the risk of repeating myself, i gotta agree with mircea_popescu here and respectfully disagree with mod6 1217578;1438229900;asciilifeform;this thing will go nowhere if we declare the gnarliest problem (build) a non-problem 1217579;1438229909;asciilifeform;must have a guaranteed, canonical build 1217580;1438229917;asciilifeform;yes, even if this means we end up maintaining a kernel. 1217581;1438229919;decimation;and the argument for linux? 1217582;1438229920;asciilifeform;and a gcc fork. 1217583;1438229924;decimation;has the widest hardware support? 1217584;1438229938;asciilifeform;we don't need most of it 1217585;1438229941;asciilifeform;(the hardware) 1217586;1438229944;decimation;aye 1217587;1438229970;asciilifeform;so long as we have a cpu, a nic, and a block device, we're golden on the given set 1217588;1438229987;asciilifeform;there are not so many cpu, nic, or block devices in circulation today. 1217589;1438230004;asciilifeform;i have considered, for instance, a move to 'minix' 1217590;1438230022;asciilifeform;shortest kernel that bitcoin could sit down on is probably some variant of minix 1217591;1438230026;decimation;heh I didn't realize it still existed 1217592;1438230059;decimation;It would be interesting to see what weird stuff like 'green hills os' looks like 1217593;1438230063;BingoBoingo;I'm looking forward to March of 2017 where at this rate Bitcoin successfully becomes a device. 1217594;1438230071;asciilifeform;decimation: probably something like qnx 1217595;1438230075;asciilifeform;but i will never know 1217596;1438230082;decimation;there's a long way from minix to hardware 1217597;1438230085;asciilifeform;because it is a commercial platinum toilet 1217598;1438230093;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, I know 1217599;1438230105;asciilifeform;decimation: as i said, not so much hardware to support 1217600;1438230108;decimation;it would be interesting to see what golden toilet prices buys in terms of os 1217601;1438230117;decimation;yeah it's not the hardware, it's the logic 1217602;1438230124;decimation;I was meaning 'compile to vhdl' 1217603;1438230140;asciilifeform;decimation: the classical bitcoind, unfortunately, ~does~ require threading - and thus, a slice scheduler 1217604;1438230151;decimation;indeed. 1217605;1438230152;asciilifeform;also needs support for large (modern) block devices 1217606;1438230162;asciilifeform;of several common bus variants 1217607;1438230167;BingoBoingo; It would be interesting to see what weird stuff like 'green hills os' looks like << Probably just like 64-bit DOS 1217608;1438230173;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mno 1217609;1438230184;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is rather more like 'qnx' or 'vxworks' 1217610;1438230196;asciilifeform;small and vaguely unixlike animal 1217611;1438230200;BingoBoingo;ah 1217612;1438230208;decimation;but supposedly is 'proven secure' 1217613;1438230221;decimation;probably with a giant pile of asterisks describing assumptions 1217614;1438230237;asciilifeform;decimation: it isn't an ada or otherwise proofy system 1217615;1438230244;asciilifeform;but rather something more like 'iso cert' 1217616;1438230247;decimation;redhat 6, for instance, achieves 'eal level 4' 1217617;1438230257;decimation;but you need to have the most minimal, stripped down version possible to meet 1217618;1438230260;asciilifeform;where there was a massive pile of usg paperwork, killing - literally - a forest 1217619;1438230266;decimation;yep 1217620;1438230270;asciilifeform;documenting ~parliamentary procedure~ of its making 1217621;1438230311;decimation;"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player 1217622;1438230311;decimation;That struts and frets his hour upon the stage 1217623;1438230311;decimation;And then is heard no more: it is a tale 1217624;1438230311;decimation;Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, 1217625;1438230313;decimation;Signifying nothing. 1217626;1438230362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105531 @ 0.00053625 = 56.591 BTC [+] {6} 1217627;1438230424;decimation;https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/6.2_Release_Notes/security.html 1217628;1438230425;assbot;Chapter 11. Security, Standards and Certification ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4DOGL ) 1217629;1438230437;asciilifeform;i can't bring myself to even try to read this. 1217630;1438230504;decimation;don't bother 1217631;1438230525;decimation;the summary is that you gotta go through about 50 pages of 'rotor build instructions' to even start to reach the 'eal4' state 1217632;1438230550;asciilifeform;why would i give half a fuck about usg ceremonies 1217633;1438230557;asciilifeform;let the archaeologists concern themselves with them 1217634;1438230562;asciilifeform;in 2000 years. 1217635;1438230574;decimation;the irony being that it only applies to rhel 6.2, full of well known holes 1217636;1438230592;asciilifeform;thoroughly, stultifyingly unsurprising 1217637;1438230723;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever get your magic bitcoind synced again / 1217638;1438230723;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1217639;1438230757;*;asciilifeform wiped out, off to bed 1217640;1438230769;decimation;the stator I built a month ago is almost to 335k 1217641;1438230774;decimation;err, kicked off 1217642;1438230963;BingoBoingo;!up mitzip 1217643;1438230981;lobbes;;;later tell asciilifeform Did some research and looks like I'm going to have to actually edit the plugin for supybot RSS in order to get lobbesbot to store history. I know SQL, but not python. In other words, I gotta teach myself how to make it insert into a table, and check it before spitting out RSS feeds. I'll keep you posted. But for now, I sleep. 1217644;1438230982;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1217645;1438232195;trinque;mod6: https://community.oracle.com/thread/2322618?tstart=0 << here's somebody bitching about the rotor db build error we saw... on solaris 1217646;1438232197;assbot;Problem installing Berkeley DB 5.2.36 on Solari... | Oracle Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1IMtiv8 ) 1217647;1438233290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63346 @ 0.00053991 = 34.2011 BTC [+] {3} 1217648;1438235914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266150 @ 0.0005263 = 140.0747 BTC [-] {5} 1217649;1438236767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164050 @ 0.00051818 = 85.0074 BTC [-] {2} 1217650;1438237621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 328850 @ 0.00054849 = 180.3709 BTC [+] {9} 1217651;1438237962;trinque;asciilifeform: mod6: ben_vulpes: hey, I fixed rotor.sh on my box by adding --host=x86_64-linux to the configure step for bdb 1217652;1438237966;trinque;happily munching block atm 1217653;1438238109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118473 @ 0.00051449 = 60.9532 BTC [-] {4} 1217654;1438238170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22145 @ 0.00050697 = 11.2269 BTC [-] {2} 1217655;1438238465;trinque;boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered. 1217656;1438239690;trinque;128k 1217657;1438239878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00054962 = 17.6428 BTC [+] 1217658;1438240366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74700 @ 0.00050643 = 37.8303 BTC [-] 1217659;1438245429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00051137 = 28.0486 BTC [+] 1217660;1438247259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00052409 = 36.3194 BTC [+] 1217661;1438247747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57947 @ 0.00052821 = 30.6082 BTC [+] {3} 1217662;1438248925;BingoBoingo;!up lobbes 1217663;1438248969;shinohai;gm BingoBoingo, you the only bloke awake at this hour? 1217664;1438248980;BingoBoingo;Maybe? 1217665;1438248986;BingoBoingo;Working on a qntra piece 1217666;1438249023;shinohai;Great, I need something good to read. All I have read is utter shit this week. 1217667;1438249095;BingoBoingo;Dunno if it will be a long one yet. Just been a kinda quiet week Bitcoin news wise 1217668;1438249638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22862 @ 0.00052531 = 12.0096 BTC [-] 1217669;1438249846;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1217670;1438249853;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 288.0, vol: 9735.82879160 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.8, vol: 4578.06517 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 287.99, vol: 12727.2270398 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.5, vol: 3.37005857 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 285.5657, vol: 13235.33640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 289.235, vol: 36.13133979 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 289.60386, vol: 46.73892814 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1217671;1438249856;BingoBoingo;;;more 1217672;1438249857;gribble;286.725993855 1217673;1438250797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119693 @ 0.00051164 = 61.2397 BTC [-] {2} 1217674;1438251945;scoopbot_revived;Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law http://qntra.net/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-is-a-pretext-for-expanding-extraterritoriality-of-us-law/ 1217675;1438251949;BingoBoingo;from wikipedo https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cecil_%28lion%29&oldid=673684813 1217676;1438251950;assbot;Cecil (lion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1VORuk9 ) 1217677;1438252322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105221 @ 0.00051803 = 54.5076 BTC [+] {3} 1217678;1438252354;shinohai;Nice spin on that BingoBoingo. Team America, world police strikes again. 1217679;1438252365;BingoBoingo;Or, they want to 1217680;1438252871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269800 @ 0.00052232 = 140.9219 BTC [+] {5} 1217681;1438253226;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev 1217682;1438253320;jurov;http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april 1217683;1438253321;assbot;draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 - Advisory Guidelines for UDP Deployment ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCwhrY ) 1217684;1438253365;BingoBoingo;This looks like a promising userland http://tools.suckless.org/9base 1217685;1438253366;assbot;9base | suckless.org tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCwmvO ) 1217686;1438253398;BingoBoingo;jurov: lols all around 1217687;1438254008;punkman;"If UDP must be used, encapsulate it in IPsec [RFC4303] to avoid matching IP protocol 17 filters." 1217688;1438254016;punkman;mhmm 1217689;1438254297;kakobrekla;http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-can-disable-sniper-rifleor-change-target/ 1217690;1438254297;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KABrTI ) 1217691;1438254465;BingoBoingo;http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20150728/429665/ 1217692;1438254466;assbot;Sharp Plans to Launch DC-powered Air Conditioner in 2015 - Nikkei Technology Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1KABPSh ) 1217693;1438254856;shinohai;"In the continuing quest to increase block size and reduce bandwidth issues, Gavin plans to integrate blockchain sync by carrier pigeon in the next release of BitcoinXT" 1217694;1438254976;punkman;BingoBoingo: why's that interesting? 1217695;1438255024;BingoBoingo;punkman: because Edison gets his revenge 1217696;1438255128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5250 @ 0.00111 = 5.8275 BTC 1217697;1438255250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129875 @ 0.00053085 = 68.9441 BTC [+] {4} 1217698;1438255922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94813 @ 0.0005335 = 50.5827 BTC [+] {3} 1217699;1438256287;scoopbot_revived;So, what of the future ? http://trilema.com/2015/so-what-of-the-future/ 1217700;1438256378;BingoBoingo;AH, I started reading it before scoopy found it 1217701;1438256715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79800 @ 0.00052563 = 41.9453 BTC [-] {2} 1217702;1438257691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16697 @ 0.00052463 = 8.7597 BTC [-] 1217703;1438258240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58869 @ 0.00053464 = 31.4737 BTC [+] {3} 1217704;1438258317;shinohai;If I were a derpy redditor, I would tip mp for that article. One of my favorite yet. 1217705;1438258398;jurov;oh, mp just sooo likes to imagine how actual humans will be separated from dumb beasts 1217706;1438258423;jurov;every time i asked how, eventually it boiled down to depend on retroactivity 1217707;1438258545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62981 @ 0.00053637 = 33.7811 BTC [+] 1217708;1438258789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00054961 = 27.5904 BTC [+] {2} 1217709;1438258795;shinohai;It's interesting to think about. I just like the summary of Christianity - which, because I live in that "One Nation under GAWD" I get rather sick of hearing the masses go on about. 1217710;1438259033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81900 @ 0.00055297 = 45.2882 BTC [+] {5} 1217711;1438259704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00055542 = 28.4375 BTC [+] {3} 1217712;1438260330;punkman;!up The20YearIRCloud 1217713;1438260344;The20YearIRCloud;howdy punkman 1217714;1438260385;punkman;sweating it out down here 1217715;1438260398;The20YearIRCloud;Why/where? 1217716;1438260466;punkman;cause it's hot 1217717;1438260498;punkman;in south greece 1217718;1438260918;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217651 << congrats trinque ! another winner. 1217719;1438260918;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 06:32:42; trinque: asciilifeform: mod6: ben_vulpes: hey, I fixed rotor.sh on my box by adding --host=x86_64-linux to the configure step for bdb 1217720;1438260920;shinohai;Same here punkman, was like 40 yesterday evening. :/ 1217721;1438261009;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217682 << in the land of the demented clowns, it is ~always~ april the first. except, the chainsaw is real, and blade is sharp, and the pretty gurl really ~does~ get cut in half !! 1217722;1438261009;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 10:48:40; jurov: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april 1217723;1438261021;punkman;heh 1217724;1438261059;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217687 << ahahahahaha pleeeez use nsasec 1217725;1438261059;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 11:00:08; punkman: "If UDP must be used, encapsulate it in IPsec [RFC4303] to avoid matching IP protocol 17 filters." 1217726;1438261101;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu check it out, usg read the gossipd logs, and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217682 1217727;1438261101;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 10:48:40; jurov: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april 1217728;1438261102;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1217729;1438261127;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 << where we are headed. 1217730;1438261128;assbot;Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKTNnm ) 1217731;1438261184;asciilifeform;the buggers ~really~ do not like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2015#996554 1217732;1438261184;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 01:52:06; asciilifeform: mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node) 1217733;1438261186;shinohai;asciilifeform: have any good recommended reading for learning how to use buildroot ? 1217734;1438261196;asciilifeform;shinohai: only the official manual 1217735;1438261218;asciilifeform;shinohai: but you don't really need the manual unless you are doing something more clever than anything i've done so far 1217736;1438261223;shinohai;Well, I know what I gotta do thisweekend. 1217737;1438261279;shinohai;I had no problem installing, etc. per instructions. Now it is just using it to do actually build something. 1217738;1438261300;shinohai;strike *do* 1217739;1438261352;asciilifeform;'In the case of WebRTC [I-D.draft-ietf-rtcweb-transports], TURN [RFC5766] should be used to concentrate and manage a known-good UDP flows.' <<< ahahaha, 'pleeez herd all yer packetz through usg middleman box' 1217740;1438261358;asciilifeform;this is just precious. 1217741;1438261490;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217706 << how's that ? 1217742;1438261490;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 12:13:43; jurov: every time i asked how, eventually it boiled down to depend on retroactivity 1217743;1438261705;asciilifeform;;;later tell trinque please consider submitting patch to the ml ! 1217744;1438261706;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1217745;1438262147;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Andreas Heimann ; ) 1217746;1438262152;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) 1217747;1438262157;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=641 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1217748;1438262162;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) 1217749;1438262167;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda ; ) 1217750;1438262172;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Sven Arnold ; ) 1217751;1438262178;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) 1217752;1438262183;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; ) 1217753;1438262188;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1217754;1438262188;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=459561500779 (Marco Hien ; ) 1217755;1438262191;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1217756;1438262191;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Marco Hien ; ) 1217757;1438262193;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1217758;1438262193;asciilifeform;;;later tell lobbes it is probably best to unplug that thing until you fix it 1217759;1438262193;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1217760;1438262329;shinohai;lobbesbot needs a lobotomy xD 1217761;1438263211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mnope. 1217762;1438263279;mircea_popescu;re http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00#page-3 < i think it's a fabulous idea. udp belongs the same place finger, telnet and email belong. the scrapheap of a different world, one where undergrads did not have internet access. 1217763;1438263281;assbot;draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 - Advisory Guidelines for UDP Deployment ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCSyG0 ) 1217764;1438263295;mircea_popescu;once aol was allowed online, it necessarily followed no udp. i'm sick of having to deal with it. 1217765;1438263348;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: single-packet auth is the only gossipd worth using. 1217766;1438263349;mircea_popescu;i wish it were made a law that no isp may provide udp connectivity for a price under the minimum wage. 1217767;1438263372;mircea_popescu;you can have single packet auth outside of udp. 1217768;1438263375;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: you realise UDP is essential for a number of services and that they wouldn't function using TCP, right? 1217769;1438263377;asciilifeform;whether it is done with udp as such or raw ip (i.e. udp with protocol field set to 666) is immaterial 1217770;1438263382;mircea_popescu;Azelphur fuck them all. 1217771;1438263386;mircea_popescu;and no ntp either. 1217772;1438263408;mircea_popescu;i don't care what you need. fuck you and your needs. the infrastructure can't support udp in the current configuration. you don't get udp for this reason. 1217773;1438263413;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: so fuck most VOIP services, Games, and anything else that requires low latency without packet delivery confirmation? XD 1217774;1438263419;mircea_popescu;you want upd, make it illegal for retards to connect. 1217775;1438263422;mircea_popescu;YES. 1217776;1438263425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42370 @ 0.00054411 = 23.0539 BTC [-] 1217777;1438263425;asciilifeform;the infrastructure can't support ~anything~ in its current configuration. 1217778;1438263435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not germane, even though valid. 1217779;1438263440;Azelphur;Also, if anything UDP is lighter on the infrastructure than TCP 1217780;1438263443;asciilifeform;^ 1217781;1438263444;mircea_popescu;not so. 1217782;1438263452;mircea_popescu;it is only lighter if used by responsible users. 1217783;1438263459;mircea_popescu;until you get those, it's just a ddos haven. 1217784;1438263462;asciilifeform;irresponsible users are to be unplugged. 1217785;1438263468;mircea_popescu;do that, then i'll change my mind. 1217786;1438263506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the thing about raw ip is that it typically requires os support 1217787;1438263519;mircea_popescu;hey, im not saying there's a good alternative. 1217788;1438263526;asciilifeform;and, more direly, well-behaved routing 1217789;1438263527;mircea_popescu;im just saying you don't own the moon, is all. 1217790;1438263532;mircea_popescu;whether its made of cheese or not. 1217791;1438263539;asciilifeform;(it is much easier to filter, and will be filtered by usg infrastructure.) 1217792;1438263584;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu prefers to be ddosed with tcp ? 1217793;1438263639;mircea_popescu;yes. much easier to filter. 1217794;1438263648;asciilifeform;i will say it again, the push against udp is usg disinfo. and everyone who buys into it should retreat to the library with a copy of richard stevens and think very carefully. 1217795;1438263684;asciilifeform;it is physically impossible to get any easier to filter than udp-with-signature 1217796;1438263703;asciilifeform;because: no state. 1217797;1438263707;mircea_popescu;no dude, your solution is right. want "internet" ? sure, 50 dollars a month gets you gawker, washitpo and crapple dot com. 1217798;1438263722;mircea_popescu;they do not belong outside of the walled gardens, keep em there. 1217799;1438263749;Azelphur;Surely in that example most of your business would never have existed? 1217800;1438263752;asciilifeform;and i suppose i will write letters to mircea_popescu and spirit them out in the rectums of pig carcasses loaded onto the great sailing ships ? 1217801;1438263775;mircea_popescu;Azelphur the part of my business that consists of redditards opining would never have existed. to my benefit. 1217802;1438263781;Azelphur;(No access to outside websites -> no access to Bitcoin -> Bitcoin never takes off) 1217803;1438263791;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the absence of a solution is not an argument in favour of shitpiles. 1217804;1438263812;mircea_popescu;Azelphur http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ 1217805;1438263813;assbot;Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCTVVg ) 1217806;1438263825;mircea_popescu;if you imagine bitcoin took off because the muppets, you're inhabiting a very special place. 1217807;1438263830;asciilifeform;routing tcp no-questions-asked while filtering packets that could be signature-authed without storing state is braindamaged. 1217808;1438263833;Azelphur;heh 1217809;1438263841;asciilifeform;note that i'm all for rejecting unsigned udp 1217810;1438263846;asciilifeform;(presently all of it) 1217811;1438263855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then we don't even disagree. 1217812;1438263888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the link concerned ~infrastructure~. usg is trying so that when i get my signed udp, and try to send it to mircea_popescu, it won't leave my street even. 1217813;1438263910;asciilifeform;this is different from 'i recommend that mircea_popescu filter all unsigned udp at his door' 1217814;1438263939;mircea_popescu;you are aware the usg can't maintain infrastructure anyway, and if you persist in staying there you will one day connect to b-a via satellite phones provided by, likely, fucking spain. 1217815;1438263940;mircea_popescu;right ? 1217816;1438263946;asciilifeform;alcatel is usg to me 1217817;1438263949;asciilifeform;and so is every oceanic fiber. 1217818;1438263987;mircea_popescu;usg is arguing that "olympics are bad mkay, not because we can't afford anything, but because <<>>". 1217819;1438264005;mircea_popescu;if you think the dispute as to how internet won't be available in the future in the us comes down to what anyone wants, usg or not usg... 1217820;1438264008;asciilifeform;that is one usg, yes 1217821;1438264038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't see this picture where it is absent in us but somehow present in patagonia 1217822;1438264066;mircea_popescu;as the bear was getting ready to stomp the anthill, the anthill in question was very animated by the following political debate : some ants wanted to tear down one wall, while some other ants thought this is stupid. 1217823;1438264081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, because you bought into the ridoinculous "us=world" nonsense. 1217824;1438264091;mircea_popescu;tell you what, it'll fall into the ocean and nobody'll even notice. 1217825;1438264098;asciilifeform;as far as the machines are concerned, this is actually true 1217826;1438264109;mircea_popescu;i guess you get to see the wonder to believe the wonder then. 1217827;1438264132;asciilifeform;recall thread with chinese si fabs running winblowz ? 1217828;1438264137;mircea_popescu;yes. 1217829;1438264159;mircea_popescu;recall the thread with the sluts living there wearing "D&G" purses ? 1217830;1438264164;asciilifeform;i dare to suggest that there is not a single transoceanic line or satellite in orbit that usg could not arbitrarily diddle, or remove entirely, at their pleasure. 1217831;1438264178;mircea_popescu;and also beat up superman. 1217832;1438264183;mircea_popescu;tu-tu-tuuuut! 1217833;1438264228;mircea_popescu;looky here : "there's no blade of grass in the forest that the doe could not shit on, at its pleasure". perhaps. fact : grass will grow through where the antlers were, and not know the difference. 1217834;1438264244;asciilifeform;ultimately - certain 1217835;1438264252;mircea_popescu;not that far off, either. 1217836;1438264256;asciilifeform;everybody gets 'ozymandiased' in the end. 1217837;1438264260;mircea_popescu;all the diddling it's gonna do, it mostly did already. 1217838;1438264289;asciilifeform;recall the thread re: the 120 mains voltage ? 1217839;1438264295;mircea_popescu;they're just broadly speaking acultural and unseflwarare enough, unlike the romans, so they don't spend three centuries waxing poetic over this understood situation 1217840;1438264302;mircea_popescu;because too thick to understand it. 1217841;1438264303;asciilifeform;some kinds of damage - stick around, long after the antlers have grown with grass. 1217842;1438264326;mircea_popescu;to me 120 v is nothing but a quaint curio. 1217843;1438264333;mircea_popescu;like reddit. 1217844;1438264344;asciilifeform;check again once copper costs what silver does. 1217845;1438264354;asciilifeform;this is not a win. 1217846;1438264358;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this happens with some regularity in history 1217847;1438264362;mircea_popescu;might be what, the 12th time maybe 1217848;1438264375;asciilifeform;the times prior to mains current don't count. 1217849;1438264384;mircea_popescu;because why ? 1217850;1438264384;asciilifeform;because copper was negotiable. 1217851;1438264435;asciilifeform;but efficiency and cost of cable aside, 1217852;1438264458;asciilifeform;120v is no mere curio to the folks in the u.s. or post-u.s. world whose cities burn on account of pinched-cable-and-too-many-amps 1217853;1438264463;asciilifeform;a daily occurrence 1217854;1438264474;asciilifeform;which is precisely twice as probably on 120v as 240 1217855;1438264477;asciilifeform;*probable 1217856;1438264482;mircea_popescu;i'm sure all sorts of things are not daily curious to various troglodytes. 1217857;1438264498;mircea_popescu;raped-for-being-white is, i hear, a fact of life for the losers of the 3rd boer war 1217858;1438264504;mircea_popescu;still, a quaint curio for me. 1217859;1438264522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had 240 run to his flat ? 1217860;1438264528;mircea_popescu;220 1217861;1438264534;asciilifeform;spiffy 1217862;1438264537;mircea_popescu;oh, you mean for my brief stay there ? 1217863;1438264547;asciilifeform;wherever living now 1217864;1438264556;mircea_popescu;all the world is on 220 you know. 1217865;1438264581;*;asciilifeform was warned that he might encounter both american and civilized voltage in ar 1217866;1438264593;*;asciilifeform not certain whether this is actual problem there or not 1217867;1438264601;mircea_popescu;i guess you could get 120 if you absolutely want it, via generators 1217868;1438264619;asciilifeform;jp, notably, is a 120 land 1217869;1438264625;asciilifeform;for reasons of conquest 1217870;1438264637;mircea_popescu;so is american samoa. what of it. 1217871;1438264663;asciilifeform;what of it, is that this 'gift keeps on giving' even after washington is buried in the sand. 1217872;1438264671;mircea_popescu;i don't see it. 1217873;1438264681;asciilifeform;like unix 1217874;1438264688;mircea_popescu;just because some colonies have mental issues it does not follow anything except that some colonists need to extract head from ass. 1217875;1438264718;asciilifeform;when extracting head from ass means 'you get to rebuild the things no one knows how to build now' 1217876;1438264722;mircea_popescu;lmao check it out, liberia as well. that poor country. 1217877;1438264723;lobbes;@rss announce list 1217878;1438264724;lobbesbot;lobbes: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss 1217879;1438264726;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1217880;1438264732;lobbes;@rss remove http://nosuchlabs.com/rss 1217881;1438264734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1217882;1438264734;lobbesbot;lobbes: Error: That's not a valid RSS feed command name. 1217883;1438264734;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, that's what it always means. 1217884;1438264773;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ergo, for so long as anyone has the choice of '120v or hunt rats by candlelight', there will be 120v around 1217885;1438264781;mircea_popescu;so ? 1217886;1438264814;asciilifeform;so - for martian, nothing of interest. for us earthlings who live in a world not entirely of our own creation - everything. 1217887;1438264832;mircea_popescu;i imagine as long as "9 volt batteries or hunt rats by candlelight" is the choice, there's going to be a lot of "9 volt" systems out there too. 1217888;1438264841;mircea_popescu;why's anyone's poverty, intellectual or otherwise, a criterion ? 1217889;1438264889;asciilifeform;for same reason x86 is a criterion. 1217890;1438264896;mircea_popescu;hardly. 1217891;1438264902;asciilifeform;same deal incidentally 1217892;1438264908;mircea_popescu;not in the slightest. 1217893;1438264921;mircea_popescu;x86 makes sense. 120 volt is trivially abstracted away by two step transformers. 1217894;1438264932;mircea_popescu;there's no alternative to x86 on the table. 1217895;1438264950;asciilifeform;but they stick around for same reason 1217896;1438264954;lobbes;@rss remove phuctor 1217897;1438264954;lobbesbot;lobbes: Error: That's not a valid RSS feed command name. 1217898;1438264980;asciilifeform;(not everything is a dc power supply with arbitrary input !) 1217899;1438264987;mircea_popescu;nah. one sticks around because it works. the other because it's the best alternative. you don't like either of them, it's true, but that fact does not alter the reality. 1217900;1438264992;mircea_popescu;one's a champ, the other's a hanger on. 1217901;1438265020;asciilifeform;x86 'works' is perhaps the ultimate illusion. 1217902;1438265026;asciilifeform;'supports winblowz and unix' is not 'works' 1217903;1438265109;asciilifeform;it sticks around because 'market' is a braindead slave to its own past, like pregnant cow 1217904;1438265170;mircea_popescu;perhaps. whatd you have it run ? 1217905;1438265220;asciilifeform;just pointing out the incongruity of 'x86 is winner' 1217906;1438265263;asciilifeform;the situation of 'drivers', for instance, is quite analogous to situation where every block of flats has own voltage, frequency, and mains socket shape that the landlord felt like drawing on a napkin. 1217907;1438265266;mircea_popescu;dja see the difference between "hmm, i intuit in my urine that x86 sucks" and "lolut, 120v? 1217908;1438265283;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i see a difference of degree only 1217909;1438265287;mircea_popescu;there's no alternative in a "moore's law" shithole, for very good reasons. 1217910;1438265297;mircea_popescu;now that that curse's dead and buried, we can actually design this shit. 1217911;1438265311;mircea_popescu;there wasn't much in the way of sane transportation routes in the fronteer, either. 1217912;1438265346;trinque;asciilifeform: I did a binary diff between your binary posted to the ML and mine using bsdiff; the result was about 60kb 1217913;1438265358;asciilifeform;trinque: you will notice that gcc embeds turds 1217914;1438265358;trinque;might be interesting to inspect it and see what's different 1217915;1438265399;asciilifeform;trinque: i did this experiment, and found quite a few variations (machine version strings - srsly, wtf gcc ? an automated annihilator for these is a necessity) ; optimizations 1217916;1438265402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider how rapidly bitcoin mining ditched the cpu, and then the gpu, to get a feel of just how unstable this domination you perceive is. 1217917;1438265414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was no legacy lockin in bitcoin ! 1217918;1438265420;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: any idea why qntra snarfed my comment ? i tried posting again but i'm being told it's a "duplicate". somehow stuck in moderation ? 1217919;1438265420;mircea_popescu;except computing. 1217920;1438265425;mircea_popescu;and microsoft fucking visual studio. 1217921;1438265438;asciilifeform;in mining in particular. 1217922;1438265447;mircea_popescu;there's no lockin in computing generally. 1217923;1438265469;mircea_popescu;just as soon as the economics make sense, your x86 nemesis is gone. two years, tops. 1217924;1438265470;mircea_popescu;TOPS. 1217925;1438265476;mircea_popescu;now make the economics work. 1217926;1438265480;asciilifeform;arm == x86 for my purposes. 1217927;1438265505;asciilifeform;out with old hardwaremicroshit, in with new, same. 1217928;1438265518;asciilifeform;where is the boundschecking cpu ? 1217929;1438265519;asciilifeform;nowhere. 1217930;1438265531;asciilifeform;though it existed in 1976. 1217931;1438265537;mircea_popescu;same place the usable docs for bitcoin are. 1217932;1438265539;mircea_popescu;waiting. 1217933;1438265652;lobbes;@rss announce remove http://nosuchlabs.com/rss 1217934;1438265654;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1gNelws ) 1217935;1438265654;lobbesbot;lobbes: The operation succeeded. 1217936;1438265656;lobbes;there, no more spammy 1217937;1438265676;mircea_popescu;could it just do the announcements once ? 1217938;1438265698;lobbes;williamdunne: if your bot can store teh history, feel free to take over. If not, then first one there wins, I guess ;/ 1217939;1438265706;decimation;lol being against udp is like being against IP 1217940;1438265714;lobbes;well, I'm using the default 'supybot' RSS plugin 1217941;1438265731;lobbes;which, I guess doesn't store history 1217942;1438265735;mircea_popescu;lobbes and it has no storage ? aha 1217943;1438265749;lobbes;aye, I'ma have to edit teh python 1217944;1438265755;mircea_popescu;so any idea what causes the replay ? 1217945;1438265756;punkman;it has but no persistence 1217946;1438265769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: me restarting phuctor 1217947;1438265773;lobbes;^ 1217948;1438265774;asciilifeform;causes the replay. 1217949;1438265783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so if i restart trilema, it doesn't pop them out again 1217950;1438265800;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i haven't any notion as to ~why~ 1217951;1438265810;mircea_popescu;does your restart fuck up the rss feed, such as by altering the dates it displays ? 1217952;1438265820;asciilifeform;not on my end ! 1217953;1438265833;asciilifeform;i suspect that lobbesbot has an elementary bug where it allows rss feed to ratchet backwards 1217954;1438265844;asciilifeform;i.e. loads a momentarily-down phuctor and says 'null set' 1217955;1438265850;asciilifeform;then diffs from this null set when it comes back. 1217956;1438265851;lobbes;I do notice the dates change on phuctor RSS 1217957;1438265855;lobbes;when restart happens 1217958;1438265857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the rss feed is exactly identical pre and post restart. how would the bot know something changed then 1217959;1438265862;lobbes;but bot should still be able to handle 1217960;1438265870;asciilifeform;lobbes: i warned many times that the dates on phuctor are meaningless 1217961;1438265877;*;lobbes nods 1217962;1438265880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't get to respecify rss eh 1217963;1438265885;mircea_popescu;people use prepackaged software 1217964;1438265890;asciilifeform;i did warn. 1217965;1438265907;asciilifeform;there is no field in the db presently for 'time when phuctored' 1217966;1438265921;asciilifeform;there is ONLY time-submitted. 1217967;1438265939;asciilifeform;i explained this in agonizing detail. it is in the log. 1217968;1438265941;mircea_popescu;ok, so could it be that the lobbesbot sees new dates decides new articles ? 1217969;1438265958;decimation;the only sane way to track diffs would be to keep the entire history then 1217970;1438265965;lobbes;yeah, I think that is the problem, which it should be able to handle 1217971;1438265970;asciilifeform;decimation: simply storing the last 20 or so would do it 1217972;1438265976;mircea_popescu;yeah this scheme doesn't lend itself to much rss ing 1217973;1438265977;lobbes;it should use the url as a PK 1217974;1438265979;asciilifeform;but even simpler fix, 1217975;1438265983;asciilifeform;DO NOT EVER RATCHET BACK! 1217976;1438265985;asciilifeform;it is RETARDED 1217977;1438265993;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's "back" when you don't keep time yo. 1217978;1438265993;*;lobbes agrees 1217979;1438266013;asciilifeform;'back' is 'item is in memory cache but now isn't there when i load, it must have un-happened' 1217980;1438266016;decimation;which is why you need the entire state 1217981;1438266027;mircea_popescu;yeah, srsly. 1217982;1438266032;asciilifeform;lobbesbot ~does~ keep a cache, 1217983;1438266044;asciilifeform;i know this because it is not spewing same thing every five minutes 1217984;1438266057;mircea_popescu;lobbes can you discern if he has a point, does the cache get 0'd out if it looks at a zero feed ? 1217985;1438266060;asciilifeform;the only way it could possibly work as it presently does is by storing ~some~ history 1217986;1438266076;lobbes;hmm, that is true 1217987;1438266091;asciilifeform;considering that ~every single phuctored key so far~ is dated june, or may even 1217988;1438266103;asciilifeform;iirc 1217989;1438266183;mircea_popescu;and speaking of udp : fucking dns definitely must go away. stupidest kludge o nthe whole internet. 1217990;1438266215;asciilifeform;it is also the foremost usg organ 1217991;1438266227;asciilifeform;of the direct, unabashed kind 1217992;1438266243;decimation;yes, ascii's wot-signed udp would be the first application for ip-to-namespace 1217993;1438266276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1217994;1438266280;asciilifeform;what i'd really like to see is what mircea_popescu proposes i use for single-packet auth that 1) isn't udp 2) existing net will reliably route 3) existing os will agree to emit without any new code running as root 1217995;1438266319;asciilifeform;and 4) isn't readily and easily flagged and filtered as 't3rr0r1st net' by 90% of world's isp 1217996;1438266335;decimation;ascii has a point here ^ 1217997;1438266344;decimation;udp can't be easily distinguished, and this is a gossipd-flavor 1217998;1438266352;asciilifeform;^ 1217999;1438266395;decimation;in fact, you need not put the true address of the recipient in the ip header as long as you can arrange to be somewhere to 'hear' it 1218000;1438266441;asciilifeform;it is tcp which is the ultimate braindamage. 1218001;1438266447;decimation;^ 1218002;1438266460;decimation;pretending that you have a connection on a completely 'broadcast' media is fucktarded 1218003;1438266464;asciilifeform;bringing back state and 'i just showed up and you have no idea who i am but can i pleeez have some bytes of storage' 1218004;1438266472;asciilifeform;like the fucking orphan blox 1218005;1438266500;decimation;and it's not exactly like it is hard to game the tcp state machine 1218006;1438266516;asciilifeform;any protocol where someone gets something, anything more expensive than a bullet, for showing up at the gate, 1218007;1438266519;asciilifeform;is ipso facto retarded. 1218008;1438266520;decimation;you ban udp, and you are just gonna get syn floods 1218009;1438266521;asciilifeform;no exceptions. 1218010;1438266640;asciilifeform;the unfortunate place we're going to is where gossip packets can only be emitted, received, or routed by os that we personally issue; and will only travel on cables to and from mircea_popescu's house 1218011;1438266647;asciilifeform;this is, i argue, an avoidable calamity 1218012;1438266709;asciilifeform;and the way to avoid it is by resisting, unconditionally, any and all seemingly-reasonable suggestions by usg tools to constrict the permissible set of the net. 1218013;1438266712;asciilifeform;for whatever reason. 1218014;1438266719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35368 @ 0.00054084 = 19.1284 BTC [-] {3} 1218015;1438266769;asciilifeform;ddos only exists because of usg. as in, deliberate decision to route maladdressed packets, infrastructurally. 1218016;1438266778;asciilifeform;and it is part of a 'good cop & bad cop' act 1218017;1438266785;asciilifeform;don't fall for the 'good cop' 1218018;1438266811;asciilifeform;who tells that 'all will be well' if only you agree to limit net to tiny permissible set of stateful protocolz 1218019;1438266876;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: realize that udp ddoes only ever existed because the net is willing to route packets 'from victim's' machine to the idiot tv boxes, who 'answer' them 1218020;1438266879;asciilifeform;*ddos 1218021;1438266889;asciilifeform;this is the one and only reason it was ever possible. 1218022;1438266934;asciilifeform;usg never liked the lack of inspectorial insight that udp creates. so they have deliberately set up this situation, long ago 1218023;1438266964;asciilifeform;they would much rather that everyone announce, for usg's ease of snoopage, when they are beginning to speak, and to whom, for how long, which order the bytes lay down in. 1218024;1438266968;asciilifeform;as tcp forces. 1218025;1438266994;mircea_popescu;dude srsly. the fact that jews favour marriage is no argument pro or against. 1218026;1438267004;mircea_popescu;udp is braindamaged in that it requires a certain sort of world. 1218027;1438267014;mircea_popescu;either provide it the sort of world it requires or visit its grave. 1218028;1438267030;asciilifeform;except that it doesn't 1218029;1438267042;mircea_popescu;what the usg does or doesn't do, wants or doesn't want, etc is irrelevant to everything, usg included. 1218030;1438267044;*;decimation is confused how any criticism of udp doesn't apply directly to any 'higher' ip protocol 1218031;1438267070;mircea_popescu;decimation upd is hard to filter. 1218032;1438267071;asciilifeform;it is relevant to having created this bizarre situation where mircea_popescu thinks that tcp somehow solves ANY of the problems discussed earlier 1218033;1438267082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you said yourself it's easier to filter! 1218034;1438267090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very easy to filter: reject anything that isn't a valid gossipd packet addressed to your key 1218035;1438267096;mircea_popescu;mno. 1218036;1438267105;mircea_popescu;i gotta check keys. takes memory allocation. ddos. 1218037;1438267109;asciilifeform;no allocation! 1218038;1438267113;decimation;preallocated 1218039;1438267118;mircea_popescu;ahaha what. 1218040;1438267136;asciilifeform;statically allocated buffer 1218041;1438267146;asciilifeform;can verify packets at line speed. 1218042;1438267153;asciilifeform;(not even speaking of fpga variant here) 1218043;1438267154;decimation;no need for cpu either 1218044;1438267162;decimation;but oculd have in first instance 1218045;1438267172;mircea_popescu;dude get out srsly. i had dedicated machinery go down because random muppet + udp. 1218046;1438267176;mircea_popescu;what are you even on about. 1218047;1438267192;decimation;how many of the muppet's packets were signed? 1218048;1438267204;mircea_popescu;me to isp "turn off fucking udp altogether, it's stupid" isp to me "you'll have toi buy the trunk" 1218049;1438267206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your machinery goes down even when you instruct it to drop all udp on the floor ? 1218050;1438267238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the sort of machine that currently goes down is well i nthe six figure range. 1218051;1438267245;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you gotta understand the protocol stack. 1218052;1438267247;decimation;lol 1218053;1438267250;mircea_popescu;getting EVERYONE to entirely drop udp as a matter of policy would be a huge gain for me. 1218054;1438267257;decimation;I process 1 gigE udp at line rate on commodity server 1218055;1438267276;mircea_popescu;decimation any time you wanna try processing 2-5mps let me know. 1218056;1438267276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so then you get flooded with TCP SYNs. same difference. 1218057;1438267285;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope, those i filter ok. 1218058;1438267286;decimation;or acks 1218059;1438267289;mircea_popescu;neither. 1218060;1438267291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but not udp? 1218061;1438267293;mircea_popescu;udp is the problem atm. 1218062;1438267294;mircea_popescu;yes., 1218063;1438267295;asciilifeform;throw out your filter then 1218064;1438267297;asciilifeform;and get new one 1218065;1438267299;decimation;^ 1218066;1438267302;asciilifeform;because SAME FUCKING COMPUTATIONAL LOAD 1218067;1438267303;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1218068;1438267308;asciilifeform;to filter tcp syn vs empty udp 1218069;1438267322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stop being theoretical on me. sure same load, not same amplification available. 1218070;1438267331;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is going to create a syn flood for you. 1218071;1438267341;asciilifeform;enemy. 1218072;1438267345;asciilifeform;who else. 1218073;1438267350;mircea_popescu;seriously, this discussion is asymmetrical. 1218074;1438267357;mircea_popescu;i handle about two ddos attacks a week. 1218075;1438267366;mircea_popescu;you maybe think about the theory of datagrams once a week. 1218076;1438267400;asciilifeform;not as theoretical as mircea_popescu might think 1218077;1438267406;mircea_popescu;in any case : if it were the rule that udp gets dropped universally, i wouldn't have to have above convo with provider. 1218078;1438267413;asciilifeform;and never see gossipd 1218079;1438267414;mircea_popescu;i'd count this as a plus. 1218080;1438267430;mircea_popescu;ima see gossipd alright. atm, the infrastructure is not the problem. 1218081;1438267440;mircea_popescu;it being written is the problem. as always. 1218082;1438267442;asciilifeform;over what single-packet proto ? 1218083;1438267451;mircea_popescu;excel to excel viruses! 1218084;1438267881;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, i am noit proposing orphan-block TCP is any better. shouldreally be TCP/OB 1218085;1438267883;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... 1218086;1438267891;mircea_popescu;no solutions available does not make shit palatable. 1218087;1438267912;mircea_popescu;i still wish udp died, and with it all the "Services" it provides. starting with dns, ntp and come to think about it 1218088;1438267919;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking wonder "locales" don't somehow udp. 1218089;1438267977;decimation;ntp has a fucktarded exploit - that makes neither 'exchange of time' nor 'udp' retarded 1218090;1438268044;mircea_popescu;ntp IS a fucktarded exploit. of itself. 1218091;1438268240;mircea_popescu;i find it kinda curious that asciilifeform and decimation can at the same time hold the discussion of political time we had recently in mind, and ALSO think breaking udp, or doing away with ntp is a bad idea. 1218092;1438268287;mircea_popescu;what, jam tomorrow, maybe one day ima get gossipd over udp, perhaps, who knows ? meanwhile half the remaining usg online is BASED, and requires udp to survive at all ? 1218093;1438268296;mircea_popescu;paint my nails and call me mary what the fuck is this. 1218094;1438268338;mircea_popescu;no more udp => no more dns, no more ntp. win of all fucking time, i'd pay to see this happen tomorrow. 1218095;1438268443;jurov;before udp, this originally happened to icmp, which then got filtered routinely... little did that help 1218096;1438268459;mircea_popescu;also true. 1218097;1438268610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00053864 = 30.9179 BTC [-] 1218098;1438268712;kakobrekla;some providers can in fact drop all incoming udp traffic per ip. 1218099;1438268740;decimation;I thought this was pretty standard for 'adult' cloud services 1218100;1438268756;decimation;amazon aws certainly will not pass anything unless firewall is configured, for instance 1218101;1438268797;kakobrekla;i wasnt talking about clold specifically. 1218102;1438268819;decimation;it ought to be simply done in any standard router too 1218103;1438268846;kakobrekla;i was in the place where mp is and they wouldnt do it. 1218104;1438268848;kakobrekla;i moved. 1218105;1438268887;mircea_popescu;decimation yes, unfortunately, yhet another advantage for shithole cloud. "hey, we drop udp at least". exactly the good cop bad cop alf was proposing. but i am not moving to fuckingf cloud, and im not using fucking cloudflare and so fucking om. 1218106;1438268910;decimation;merely an example of an isp that can program routers 1218107;1438268923;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i might. atm not really a big enough deal, whatever, some people can't read trilema for half a day or w/e. but we were discussing the general point. 1218108;1438268929;mircea_popescu;and the general point is udp does not belong. 1218109;1438268995;decimation;so you are against single packet routing in general? 1218110;1438269004;kakobrekla;he is coming back because he is getting that half hour. 1218111;1438269005;mircea_popescu;no, i am against udp. 1218112;1438269029;kakobrekla;as far as i can tell the attacker of qntra (trilema?) is the same as it was of bitbet last ddos. 1218113;1438269038;kakobrekla;but my box did not go down. 1218114;1438269043;kakobrekla;and i dont even have udp blocked. 1218115;1438269052;mircea_popescu;do tell ? 1218116;1438269098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42487 @ 0.00054411 = 23.1176 BTC [+] 1218117;1438269149;*;decimation fails to comprehend the difference between 'udp bad' and 'routing single ip packets good' 1218118;1438269167;mircea_popescu;decimation udp is widely deployed in the hands of idiots. 1218119;1438269173;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm on a consumer fiber and, with modern hardware on my end (by no means six-figure), udp flood does not touch me. 1218120;1438269177;mircea_popescu;everything that gives idiots voice is the avatar of evil. 1218121;1438269185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you ever have a decent one ? 1218122;1438269193;kakobrekla;i am at online.net, recommended by davout (paymium). they have serveral levels of infrastructure to mitigate attacks. 1218123;1438269206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as decent as it gets (line saturation) 1218124;1438269211;mircea_popescu;jhahahaha 1218125;1438269216;mircea_popescu;you're new, seriously. 1218126;1438269224;asciilifeform;i mean, they can't walk in any faster than the 100Mb ethernet into the bldg 1218127;1438269224;mircea_popescu;as decent as it gets = 500x line saturation three hops upstream. 1218128;1438269244;mircea_popescu;yes, they can. they can send you a trillion packets in fifteen minutes. 1218129;1438269253;mircea_popescu;because, again, udp. 1218130;1438269262;asciilifeform;ok, those get dropped somewhere else 1218131;1438269267;mircea_popescu;o i see. 1218132;1438269267;kakobrekla;iirc server saw about 800 megs of the 5 gigabit incoming garbage 1218133;1438269268;mircea_popescu;good for you. 1218134;1438269271;asciilifeform;because how are they to walk in? 1218135;1438269277;decimation;no, because ntp machines and misconfigured routers allow sending arbitrary packets 1218136;1438269277;asciilifeform;through the window ? 1218137;1438269284;mircea_popescu;they just take off the thing upstream. which IS six figures. 1218138;1438269312;mircea_popescu;decimation fuck this "misconfigured" bs. because udp. 1218139;1438269314;mircea_popescu;it is on its head. 1218140;1438269314;asciilifeform;my isp clearly did not get defrauded in the same way as mircea_popescu's - because their six-figure machine does not as a result go down 1218141;1438269328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're basically falling fore the "shared hosting" bit 1218142;1438269333;mircea_popescu;your isp never had the problem, is all. 1218143;1438269342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not suggesting that everyone is to move to mordor and subscribe to this isp 1218144;1438269344;mircea_popescu;feel safe all you want, and maybe you never get to matter enough to find out better. 1218145;1438269391;asciilifeform;but will point out that the million-chump botnet can just as easily transmit syn flood as udp crud 1218146;1438269405;decimation;^ using misconfigured routers 1218147;1438269426;asciilifeform;go, 'feel safe' because you went along with usg's transparent attempt to ban the only presently working single-packet transmission medium. 1218148;1438269493;asciilifeform;~they~ kick the dog 1218149;1438269509;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu volunteers to shoot it, not realizing that the dog-kicker will kick every dog mircea_popescu ever bends to pet 1218150;1438269557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not the "million chump botnet" 1218151;1438269564;mircea_popescu;it's the dumbass services currently sitting on udp. 1218152;1438269591;mircea_popescu;and you've never answered ot the main point here. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218091 1218153;1438269591;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 14:57:20; mircea_popescu: i find it kinda curious that asciilifeform and decimation can at the same time hold the discussion of political time we had recently in mind, and ALSO think breaking udp, or doing away with ntp is a bad idea. 1218154;1438269616;kakobrekla;you are all being theoretical. in practice you stop udp at least one step before the server in any way you particularity like and be done with it. 1218155;1438269617;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the chump herd is eminently handle-able. the havok they can wreak by employing udp amps, not. 1218156;1438269630;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla myeah. 1218157;1438269643;mircea_popescu;except if that trunk serves idiots who need or think might need udp 1218158;1438269644;decimation;but that's not udp's fault 1218159;1438269646;mircea_popescu;in which case you have to pay. 1218160;1438269649;mircea_popescu;yes, IT IS. 1218161;1438269651;jurov;how is banning of udp going to magick dns/ntp away? 1218162;1438269657;decimation;it's the fault of the misconfigured routers and the idiot ntp code 1218163;1438269664;mircea_popescu;let them run on tcp/ip, should be fun to watch. 1218164;1438269673;mircea_popescu;decimation if you shoot my dog by accident ima bury you 1218165;1438269685;mircea_popescu;it can be the fault of the shitty gun you bought. buy better guns or more funerals. 1218166;1438269723;jurov;then you'll just enable the reflection attacks right to your tcp port 80.. indeed fun to watch 1218167;1438269730;asciilifeform;no routing of forged dest ip >>>>> no amplification ddos. 1218168;1438269736;asciilifeform;that simple. 1218169;1438269739;*;mircea_popescu reserves the sovereign right to blame anyhone on the path to the "accident" he chooses. so no, it's not "the misconfigured routers", i'm not the pitbull you put in the doorway, slam the door and it then "blames the misconfigured door". 1218170;1438269764;decimation;okay, let's imagine a new 'mpdp' that is the same as udp except carries an extra bit to indicate whether the bearer is an idiot 1218171;1438269767;mircea_popescu;atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now. 1218172;1438269777;asciilifeform;enjoy the syn floodz 1218173;1438269784;mircea_popescu;leaving the entire pile of usg services in the lurch. 1218174;1438269792;asciilifeform;so 'easy to filter' because ~no one is doing them~ 1218175;1438269795;asciilifeform;because presently no need. 1218176;1438269810;decimation;is this new udp-like protocol acceptable? 1218177;1438269814;mircea_popescu;yes, im sure the idiots "writing software" and "deploying apps" will soon write more crud and deploy more crap 1218178;1438269823;mircea_popescu;at which point we'll re-have this conversation. 1218179;1438269827;mircea_popescu;decimation for as long as no one uses it. 1218180;1438269852;asciilifeform;realize that there can be no useful gossipd except with something like what is described above (i.e. udp but with protocol != 17) 1218181;1438269877;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there can trivially be gossipd-over-blockchain. 1218182;1438269885;mircea_popescu;it'd bette rbe transport protocol agnostic. 1218183;1438269896;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's on the cable ? 1218184;1438269902;mircea_popescu;dragons. 1218185;1438269909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it's tcp, you are serving jam to folks for showing up 1218186;1438269913;asciilifeform;because connection is stateful 1218187;1438269916;asciilifeform;ergo - lose. 1218188;1438269927;decimation;at any rate, the problem isn't udp or tcp, it's the fact that ip packets route without any signature 1218189;1438269928;asciilifeform;no matter how many kilometres long your cock is, and how many cable spools it takes to hold it 1218190;1438269948;mircea_popescu;decimation except he didn't like the fact yu gotta say where you're sending stuff "because usg snoops it" 1218191;1438269958;mircea_popescu;i never comprehended the "anonimity" securityt posture, but whatever. 1218192;1438269961;asciilifeform;i don't like the fact that i gotta say it in cleartext ! 1218193;1438269963;asciilifeform;not 'at all' 1218194;1438269973;mircea_popescu;and how's third party gonna reads your codetext. 1218195;1438269989;asciilifeform;third party gets to cry in the corner 1218196;1438269996;mircea_popescu;so how does router know if to route ? 1218197;1438270006;asciilifeform;router knows that it is routing a packet 1218198;1438270011;asciilifeform;but not that said packet is part of a stream 1218199;1438270013;mircea_popescu;to where ? 1218200;1438270017;asciilifeform;(or what stream) 1218201;1438270020;mircea_popescu;routing it to where! 1218202;1438270021;asciilifeform;to destination. 1218203;1438270026;mircea_popescu;no, because it can't check. 1218204;1438270029;asciilifeform;yes, you need dest ip 1218205;1438270032;mircea_popescu;... 1218206;1438270037;decimation;^ need not be actual dest ip 1218207;1438270042;mircea_popescu;sigh 1218208;1438270045;asciilifeform;the part i'm objecting to is the sequence # thing 1218209;1438270047;decimation;in fact, node could not have an actual ip at all 1218210;1438270052;asciilifeform;and the multi-step connection opening 1218211;1438270056;mircea_popescu;i get it, you want a woman that's transparent and doesn't bleed. 1218212;1438270063;asciilifeform;i ~have one~ 1218213;1438270067;mircea_popescu;"onmly way to have gossipd" 1218214;1438270068;asciilifeform;her name is udp with rsa payload. 1218215;1438270088;asciilifeform;with procol # != 17 because mircea_popescu hates 17 1218216;1438270096;mircea_popescu;mkay. i wouldn't be too worried about her fate - it'd cost usg more than it'd cost me to ditch udp. 1218217;1438270109;asciilifeform;(my isp won't like != 17 either. i will have to send these packets to mircea_popescu by camel.) 1218218;1438270131;mircea_popescu;you can send them via dpaste for all the difference it makes. 1218219;1438270300;*;mircea_popescu wonders if he's the only one that remembers the major spammer-ddos wars of a few years ago. 1218220;1438270357;jurov;were they reolved by banning a protocol? 1218221;1438270364;mircea_popescu;essentially, yes. 1218222;1438270371;mircea_popescu;it's where all this "ban udp" talk actually started. 1218223;1438270402;mircea_popescu;but yes, it was practically shown that a) no actual protection from ddos exists, outside of the ostrich method discussed above and b) udp is the key to this state of affairs. 1218224;1438270445;decimation;umm, 'access-list deny udp any any' on your subnet? 1218225;1438270489;mircea_popescu;https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/03/28/massive-ddos-attack-against-anti-spam-provider-impacts-millions-of-internet-users/ 1218226;1438270491;assbot;Massive DDoS attack against anti-spam provider impacts millions of internet users | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ib3UtB ) 1218227;1438270491;mircea_popescu;reference. 1218228;1438270501;mircea_popescu;for they reading the logs not in the cabal. 1218229;1438270626;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting, incidentally, for mircea_popescu to tell me how to set the pogo clock without ntp 1218230;1438270638;asciilifeform;that would be a major scientific advance 1218231;1438270643;mircea_popescu;no. 1218232;1438270658;mircea_popescu;i don't solve problems. i just throw away other people's solutions. 1218233;1438270669;mircea_popescu;much like i don't make kids, the women make kids. i just kill some of the kids they make. 1218234;1438270684;asciilifeform;i get it, this is most fun sport in the world 1218235;1438270689;asciilifeform;until you drown in unsolved. 1218236;1438270693;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1218237;1438270718;asciilifeform;i'd love nothing more than for martians to fly over and shoot with disintegrator beam every single x86 box 1218238;1438270721;asciilifeform;and every single arm cpu 1218239;1438270733;mircea_popescu;let's start with something small. 1218240;1438270734;asciilifeform;this is, if anything, even more batshit than what mircea_popescu asked for 1218241;1438270737;mircea_popescu;like fucking udp. 1218242;1438270768;asciilifeform;after which we get to write gossipd with tcp syn instead of udp 1218243;1438270775;mircea_popescu;or dpaste. 1218244;1438270782;asciilifeform;dpaste over pigeon ? 1218245;1438270790;asciilifeform;srsly the pipe has to go through your wall 1218246;1438270791;asciilifeform;same as mine 1218247;1438270791;mircea_popescu;dpaste over alles! 1218248;1438270902;*;asciilifeform bbl 1218249;1438270914;mircea_popescu;OK, thanks Chester for the clear explanation. 1218250;1438270914;mircea_popescu;Now, how can I verify my Windows 2008 domain server (with Sophos EndPoint Security) is configured correctly? 1218251;1438270917;mircea_popescu;fucking hell. 1218252;1438270932;mircea_popescu;~WITH SOPHOS END POINT SECURITY~ dontcha know. 1218253;1438270958;mircea_popescu;why are these things on the internet ? i do not wish anything to do with any of them. 1218254;1438270969;mircea_popescu;brandheads. 1218255;1438270992;jurov;they don't want anything to do either. 1218256;1438271001;jurov;they want just buy and click 1218257;1438271211;mircea_popescu;right. 1218258;1438271238;mircea_popescu;anyway, the only way to solve this problem is of course ppp, ie pay per packet. and the only way to even run an internet at all is as a blockchain, which is to say mempool and all that. 1218259;1438271242;mircea_popescu;but this may take a while. 1218260;1438271416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00053864 = 15.6475 BTC [-] 1218261;1438271459;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217498 << i'd have no problem deplyoing it were it to actually work. 1218262;1438271459;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 03:59:36; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217395 << if i have to ship a bootable linux iso, buildrooted for the purpose of building a) self b) bitcoin - i will. in fact, yes, i have this up my sleeve, BUT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO USE IT instead of retarduntu etc 1218263;1438271554;trinque;the rotor problem mod6 and I ran into was simple as can be 1218264;1438271561;trinque;just one of those "right knob" things 1218265;1438271591;mircea_popescu;^ top thing i hate about linux. 1218266;1438271591;trinque;seems like db's config script had environment data leaking into it from the underlying host 1218267;1438271596;trinque;mircea_popescu: yup 1218268;1438271651;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217553 << word. 1218269;1438271651;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 04:13:58; mod6: rotolinux sounds awesome btw. 1218270;1438271710;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217570 << fun fact : the ennumeration of all people ~alive today~ would far exceed 9gb. degree of magnitude +. 1218271;1438271710;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 04:16:03; asciilifeform: there ARE NOT 9 GB of useful src 1218272;1438271725;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in the entire history of human thought there have not been produced 9, or for that matter 1 gb worth recording. 1218273;1438271730;mircea_popescu;this includes all software. 1218274;1438271741;mircea_popescu;if anyone wishes to compare crap and oranges... 1218275;1438271747;mircea_popescu;there's way too many people for the salt they pay. 1218276;1438271810;phf;using linux kernel as the base allows for rapid repurposing of cheap chinese computers, without having to write drive controllers or general kernel hackery. in case of suckless it was probably more to do with audiocards and inertia. at the time when the suckless project started, it wasn't yet obvious how compromised kernel will eventually become, the reaction was mostly to userspace retardation 1218277;1438271857;mircea_popescu;phf how long have you spent reading the logs ? 1218278;1438271892;phf;mircea_popescu: 2014-03-27 1218279;1438271910;mircea_popescu;dude check it out, the year gets experimental verification. 1218280;1438271917;mircea_popescu;;;rated phf 1218281;1438271918;gribble;You have not yet rated user phf 1218282;1438271939;mircea_popescu;!rate phf 1 Well read gent in search of a handler. Bureaucrats and mustachioed young ladies apply within. 1218283;1438271939;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/33b3a0ee64f2338d 1218284;1438271959;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phf.1:039ae78c7128555ebad588f79c7dc7edd0087e763c49d7b6a7dd0165e1fbbc08 1218285;1438271959;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 1 with note: Well read gent in search of a handler. Bureaucrats and mustachioed young ladies apply within. 1218286;1438271985;phf;moving on... down? :) 1218287;1438271995;mircea_popescu;down ? 1218288;1438272011;kakobrekla;you are mixing the two wots 1218289;1438272044;kakobrekla; You have not yet rated user phf < notice gribble 1218290;1438272051;mircea_popescu;i'm so confused 1218291;1438272052;mircea_popescu;ohhhh 1218292;1438272053;kakobrekla;assbot> Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 1 < assbot 1218293;1438272054;mircea_popescu;fuck. sorry. 1218294;1438272097;mircea_popescu;!rate phf 2 Well read gent in search of a handler. Bureaucrats and mustachioed young ladies apply within. 1218295;1438272097;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8c3c7740eb1f5933 1218296;1438272122;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phf.2:6cea324aa2207bd1d76e587be3036b547021756929f56d01002638c3c027b975 1218297;1438272122;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for phf from 1 to 2 with note: Well read gent in search of a handler. Bureaucrats and mustachioed young ladies apply within. 1218298;1438272413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217700 << o.O you hawk you! 1218299;1438272413;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 11:39:38; BingoBoingo: AH, I started reading it before scoopy found it 1218300;1438272435;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217706 << wait, what ? 1218301;1438272435;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 12:13:43; jurov: every time i asked how, eventually it boiled down to depend on retroactivity 1218302;1438272515;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217709 << the masses do not know what christianity is 1218303;1438272515;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 12:19:55; shinohai: It's interesting to think about. I just like the summary of Christianity - which, because I live in that "One Nation under GAWD" I get rather sick of hearing the masses go on about. 1218304;1438272752;mod6;;;later tell hanbot check msg 1218305;1438272753;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1218306;1438272941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00053864 = 6.8407 BTC [-] 1218307;1438273134;mircea_popescu;!up Michail 1218308;1438273584;jurov;lol don't act surprised http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-07-26.log.html#t10:06:45 1218309;1438273585;assbot;#Eulora log for Sunday, 2015-07-26 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugffV ) 1218310;1438273637;jurov;mp: "kids must be culled properly" me: "i'd be culled easily" mp:"then these thought you were retarded should have been culled" 1218311;1438273895;jurov;how this does not depend on hidsight... 1218312;1438274014;jurov;http://imgur.com/pR356Rc woooo 1218313;1438274015;assbot;Is Windows 10 a botnet? Summary of things that spy on you in W10. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuhbRx ) 1218314;1438274041;trinque;if it's free, you're the product!! 1218315;1438274087;trinque;jurov: as for the culling, wouldn't that be up to the parents that clearly decided to let you live? heh 1218316;1438274139;trinque;and if they don't have the luxury of making that decision, *shrug* 1218317;1438274155;trinque;absent a giant safety net, life itself will do the culling 1218318;1438274209;trinque;!up ascii_field 1218319;1438274211;trinque;!up elgrecoFL 1218320;1438274453;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218261 << depends, what means 'work' ? 1218321;1438274453;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 15:50:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217498 << i'd have no problem deplyoing it were it to actually work. 1218322;1438274738;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218311 << on one hand, jurov has it. on other, answer to 'flood of meat' is better selection criteria, rather than 'every sperm is precious' (tm) (r) 1218323;1438274738;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 16:31:35; jurov: how this does not depend on hidsight... 1218324;1438274770;ascii_field;on third hand coming out of alien chest, i readily recognize that i probably ought to have been killed at age 7 or so 1218325;1438274874;*;danielpbarron too 1218326;1438274883;jurov;lol 1218327;1438275076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107152 @ 0.00054404 = 58.295 BTC [+] 1218328;1438277272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00053864 = 10.6381 BTC [-] 1218329;1438278736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139700 @ 0.00053019 = 74.0675 BTC [-] {4} 1218330;1438278900;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218023 <-- despite Shannon's complete description of communication in propagation, it seems the details of protocols, sources/sinks of information in various forms, are still totally open 1218331;1438278900;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 14:36:04; asciilifeform: they would much rather that everyone announce, for usg's ease of snoopage, when they are beginning to speak, and to whom, for how long, which order the bytes lay down in. 1218332;1438279956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105250 @ 0.00052081 = 54.8153 BTC [-] {4} 1218333;1438280053;jurov;funkenstein_: shannon would apply if the intertubes were analog 1218334;1438280332;trinque;ascii_field | on third hand coming out of alien chest, i readily recognize that i probably ought to have been killed at age 7 or so << plenty of intelligent people had all kinds of health problems; surely there are reasons other than "fit as a viking" to live 1218335;1438280344;trinque;as for myself, I was more dead than alive when I plopped into this world, so this is all bonus time 1218336;1438280346;funkenstein_;jurov, at some layer, they must be analog right? 1218337;1438280382;jurov;ofc but it's not accessible to you 1218338;1438280416;funkenstein_;i'm about to buy a SDR ham radio kit 1218339;1438280466;funkenstein_;thinking to go with bladeRF 1218340;1438280468;jurov;will it enable yo to make analog channel to arbitrary ip adddress? i'm all ears :D 1218341;1438280483;funkenstein_;we need full stack IP over aether 1218342;1438280513;jurov;you haven't heard? mp will ban it soon 1218343;1438280517;funkenstein_;end to end encrypt by default 1218344;1438280519;funkenstein_;lol 1218345;1438280527;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1218346;1438280535;funkenstein_;i don't think DDOS is going away 1218347;1438280636;ascii_field;trinque: i wasn't even speaking of health per se 1218348;1438280657;ascii_field;just the fact that it was probably determinable with great certainty at age 7 or so that i wouldn't grow up to be mircea_popescu 1218349;1438280749;ascii_field;funkenstein_ et al: the basic quandry is that communication channels are scarce and very crowded. 1218350;1438280761;kakobrekla;because of the 80 vhs tapes? 1218351;1438280761;funkenstein_;cocktail party 1218352;1438280767;trinque;ascii_field: well shit, how many do? 1218353;1438280769;ascii_field;the only solutions fall into the broad categories of 'moar channel' or 'less meat' 1218354;1438280782;ascii_field;like any other famine. 1218355;1438280799;funkenstein_;specific-to-source orthogonal waveforms 1218356;1438280813;ascii_field;crack a textbook 1218357;1438280838;funkenstein_;well lately it's been going along the lines of you name them and I order them 1218358;1438280897;ascii_field;r. feynman., 'lectures on physics', vol. 1-3. 1218359;1438280930;ascii_field;or if you're a l333337 d00d, landau & lifschitz vol. 1-5 1218360;1438280941;ascii_field;through 8 rather. 1218361;1438280949;funkenstein_;no we're talking, i would say best texts ever 1218362;1438280962;funkenstein_;though I can't claim to have gone through all of them in great detail 1218363;1438280988;funkenstein_;anyway it appears we all share that kind of background 1218364;1438281034;funkenstein_;but I am curious the specifics 1218365;1438281054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.0005381 = 14.3135 BTC [+] 1218366;1438281060;funkenstein_;enjoyed recent thread: GSM et al. 1218367;1438281083;funkenstein_;i should probably go read IEEE 802 specs 1218368;1438281091;ascii_field;the subject of why every bag of meat on this sorry rock can't have own radio station, to any useful degree, 'will not fit in the margins of this page' unfortunately. 1218369;1438281109;funkenstein_;plenty of aether to go around, i think we just don't know how to use it yet 1218370;1438281558;funkenstein_;http://www.brainfacts.org/Sensing-Thinking-Behaving/Awareness-and-Attention/Articles/2013/The-Cocktail-Party-Problem 1218371;1438281591;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218302 <<< I'll make an exception in your case danielpbarron, because not once have you told me "shinohai, you gonna FRY!" 1218372;1438281591;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 16:08:35; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217709 << the masses do not know what christianity is 1218373;1438281754;funkenstein_;the masses do not know what mass is 1218374;1438281908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61300 @ 0.00051262 = 31.4236 BTC [-] {3} 1218375;1438282148;trinque;shinohai: hail satan! 1218376;1438282336;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzjshF0TFm8 << some music to corrupt your soul 1218377;1438282337;assbot;AT THE GATES - Death And The Labyrinth (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSXhdx ) 1218378;1438282422;kakobrekla;i can hardly understand what the guy is trying to sing to me. 1218379;1438282626;trinque;something something killing people in a labyrinth, evil is basically a weird art project, something something 1218380;1438283189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60482 @ 0.0005381 = 32.5454 BTC [+] {2} 1218381;1438283250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00053849 = 17.7971 BTC [+] 1218382;1438283390;shinohai;trinque: I do regularly mumble prayers in public to Satan, when fundamentalists ruin my meal by trying to pray loudly over their food for 30 minutes. 1218383;1438283401;trinque;shinohai: raised religious? 1218384;1438283409;trinque;I suspect that's why the satan schtick amuses me so 1218385;1438283421;shinohai;Yes, a cult 1218386;1438283427;trinque;that'll do it! 1218387;1438283466;mircea_popescu;jurov just because you posit there's going to be retrospection needed doesn't mean it's either necessarily so or what i said, you know. 1218388;1438283527;trinque;shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w37V5IOfQlI << another good one in that vein 1218389;1438283528;assbot;Mors principium est-bringer of light - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT162q ) 1218390;1438283537;shinohai;Considering they believe the world is going to end and there is no need for any sort of secular education, it is a wonder I can read at all. 1218391;1438283538;mircea_popescu;* danielpbarron too << maybe solution then is ask 7 yo kid if they should be killed and do the opposite. 1218392;1438283541;mircea_popescu;what do the fuckwits know. 1218393;1438283629;mircea_popescu; you haven't heard? mp will ban it soon << all stacks must wear burka! 1218394;1438283643;shinohai;And I love Mors Principum Est, I'm OG and like Slayer tho 1218395;1438283664;mircea_popescu;ascii_field just the fact that it was probably determinable with great certainty at age 7 or so that i wouldn't grow up to be mircea_popescu << you think anyone actually wants more of me around ? 1218396;1438283669;mircea_popescu;"ajunge un bat la un car de oale." 1218397;1438283695;mircea_popescu;shinohai what's og. 1218398;1438283707;trinque;shinohai: old metal does me just fine too, gotta know the greats 1218399;1438283724;shinohai;Original Gangsta 1218400;1438283743;mircea_popescu; though I can't claim to have gone through all of them in great detail << o.O so then what have you done ? 1218401;1438283765;shinohai;But, yeah. I dunno how many copies of Led Zeppelin albums my parents burned when I was a kid. 1218402;1438283779;jurov;https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11760247_10153571490573982_7194971534506656776_n.jpg?oh=53007a0adf39e0cd1a8d16035dc19388&oe=563C0E16 << pic related 1218403;1438283780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuGtij ) 1218404;1438283811;trinque;shinohai: heh! I got busted for tom petty once, of all things. told my mom "you could stand me up at the gates of hell, but I wont back down" 1218405;1438283827;mircea_popescu;lol 1218406;1438283828;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu, good question. i spent a lot of time with the fluid mechanics volume back in the day. 1218407;1438283829;mircea_popescu;poor woman. 1218408;1438283829;shinohai;Books too, they had a hard-on for Umberto Eco for some reason, and I could never keep a copy of Foucault's Pendulum 1218409;1438283843;shinohai;or The Name of The Rose 1218410;1438283851;mircea_popescu;whahaha 1218411;1438283859;mircea_popescu;poor kid. 1218412;1438283868;shinohai;Tom Petty? Jesus F'in Christ 1218413;1438283900;trinque;hilarity of it is I think the guy's a born again himself 1218414;1438283927;mircea_popescu;so did you give them madonna's "sex" for their 15th aniversary ? 1218415;1438283945;trinque;haha, I don't torture the poor folks anymore, keep my heathen ways to myself 1218416;1438283960;trinque;they at least knew the whole world was filled with shit, just weren't sure what kind 1218417;1438283969;mircea_popescu;this is a point. 1218418;1438283975;shinohai;I moved away and never looked back. Haven't spoken to anyone in my family in almost 20 years. 1218419;1438284002;trinque;I have a great relationship with them; they spend all day trying to not suck, and good for them 1218420;1438284007;trinque;they just missed 1218421;1438284024;mircea_popescu;interesting. i see both angles. 1218422;1438284054;shinohai;I imagine mine are still sitting around waiting for the world to end, and trying to force-feed as much of that nonsense to others as possible. 1218423;1438284181;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/8fbe0005e45f6bc64efc4ca034b46249/tumblr_n0jownfewq1si2s09o1_1280.jpg 1218424;1438284182;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT2OAE ) 1218425;1438284247;shinohai;The scan checks out mircea_popescu 1218426;1438284260;mircea_popescu;hm? 1218427;1438284272;shinohai;The barcode above the woman's vag 1218428;1438284313;mircea_popescu;oh. lol. 1218429;1438284318;mircea_popescu;shinohai you gonna FRAY! 1218430;1438284339;shinohai;Just call me crispy then. 1218431;1438284354;mircea_popescu;(btw, the vagina is the internal part. that's a vulva) 1218432;1438284410;shinohai;Well if the vag is internal, and the barcode is on top of that, technically it *is* above. 1218433;1438284442;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh 1218434;1438284449;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1218435;1438284572;shinohai;102 F ... damn it's hot. Time to blend up some margaritas or something. 1218436;1438284752;shinohai;May as well drink before Kim eliminates me: http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/30-07-2015/131527-kim-0/ 1218437;1438284832;mircea_popescu;Kim said the contest was intended to "bring about a radical turn in the drills to round off preparations for a war full of the will to settle with arms accounts with the U.S. imperialists, the chieftain of aggression, and the South Korean puppet group keen to escalate the confrontation with the fellow countrymen and that of social systems, seized with sycophancy toward the U.S.," 1218438;1438284846;mircea_popescu;such a bizarre phrase structure they use by now 1218439;1438284876;ascii_field;pravda ought to fire their translator 1218440;1438284898;mircea_popescu;"Gone forever is the era when the United States blackmailed us with nukes; now the United States is no longer a source of threat and fear for us and we are the very source of fear for it." 1218441;1438284905;ascii_field;'Напомним, Правда. Ру вчера сообщала о выступлении посла Северной Кореи в РФ Ким Хен Чжуна, который заявил, что его страна не намерена следовать примеру Ирана и идти на переговоры с Западом на предмет сокращения своей ядерной програм 1218442;1438284905;ascii_field;мы. Вместо этого, Пхеньян активно готовится к ядерному противостоянию, так как страна подвергается давлению с целью переворота в стране, так как США участили свои учения с вооруженными силами Южной Кореи.' 1218443;1438284920;mircea_popescu;is it a bad thing that i find him more amusing than the run of the mill usg "comedian" ? 1218444;1438284926;mircea_popescu;what's general snipes say 1218445;1438284932;mircea_popescu;(of nato) 1218446;1438284971;shinohai;Between him and the Iranian female ninjas, I am starting to quake in my shoes. 1218447;1438285045;mircea_popescu;ascii_field original reads a lot better. 1218448;1438285067;mircea_popescu;anyway, obviously unlike iran they won't cut a deal. 1218449;1438285072;ascii_field;roughly: 'let us remind, yesterday, pravda.ru yesterday described the speech of the ambassador of north kr, kim hen jeon, who pronounced that his country will not follow the example of iran and go into talks with the west re: nuclear disarmament. instead, pyongyang will actively prepare for a nuclear tension, given the fact that usa is increasing its involvement with training of the south kr army.' 1218450;1438285075;mircea_popescu;unlike iran, nobody is offering them one. 1218451;1438285092;ascii_field;why offer what will not be taken. 1218452;1438285097;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "standoff", neh ? 1218453;1438285102;ascii_field;aha 1218454;1438285106;mircea_popescu;oh, they'd take. 1218455;1438285114;mircea_popescu;offer them what iran got, what cuba got, they'll take it. 1218456;1438285124;ascii_field;anyway this is poppycock, north kr is controlled with rice, not nukes 1218457;1438285129;ascii_field;(from the west) 1218458;1438285227;trinque;strikes me as nothing more than internal politics 1218459;1438285233;trinque;the language is always "prepared" to fight 1218460;1438285281;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW2xyXl2tTI 1218461;1438285282;assbot;Preparing... - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuK2VU ) 1218462;1438285368;ascii_field;trinque: virtually everything printed in english re: north kr is a bold-faced lie out of the mouth of south kr 1218463;1438285377;trinque;probably so 1218464;1438285389;trinque;http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/its-official-china-south-korea-sign-free-trade-agreement/ << does not appear that china gives half a shit what nk wants 1218465;1438285390;assbot;It’s Official: China, South Korea Sign Free Trade Agreement | The Diplomat ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuKjYM ) 1218466;1438285398;trinque;and that's probably the opinion that matters most 1218467;1438285437;ascii_field;how many people know, for instance, that south started the kr war ? 1218468;1438285444;mircea_popescu;erryone ? 1218469;1438285459;mircea_popescu;btw, re notable italians : http://trilema.com/2011/italo-calvino/ 1218470;1438285459;assbot;Italo Calvino on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT6uCz ) 1218471;1438285468;ascii_field;or that north was an industrial giant, heavy on the machinery market, until blockaded by usa and its muppets ? 1218472;1438285522;ascii_field;but yes, they are in 'hitler's bunker' mode 1218473;1438285528;ascii_field;hence the stories being ~believable~ 1218474;1438285528;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and italy was an empire and spain was an empire and what else. 1218475;1438285551;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: except that italy and spain did not get history-edited 1218476;1438285555;mircea_popescu;orly. 1218477;1438285567;ascii_field;aha, even f-students know that they were once empires. 1218478;1438285579;mircea_popescu;ask any muppet today, he thinks europe is christian and christian values fundamentally european. 1218479;1438285588;mircea_popescu;hollow word. 1218480;1438285593;mircea_popescu;they do not know what that meant. 1218481;1438285619;mircea_popescu;might as well say "any kid today knows nkr is <>". 1218482;1438285622;mircea_popescu;big whop 1218483;1438285624;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ought to contact his supplier and have a stern talk re: getting a higher grade of muppet shipped in 1218484;1438285643;mircea_popescu;wouldn't that be a shittier muppet ? 1218485;1438285673;ascii_field;not necessarily 1218486;1438285699;shinohai;Same in America, blabbering about how this nation was specifically founded on Christian principles, without ever bothering to read the treaty of Tripoli. 1218487;1438285741;mircea_popescu;shinohai ironically, the us was founded on sectarian neoprotestantism alright. 1218488;1438285752;mircea_popescu;amusingly, so was england, at about the same time. diff flavour. 1218489;1438285814;shinohai;I honestly have no issues with those that do choose to practice religion, just respect the fact that some don't. 1218490;1438285831;trinque;I prefer most do have some form of mind control installed. 1218491;1438285837;trinque;look what happens otherwise? 1218492;1438285856;mircea_popescu;well... honestly, if one takes the stand that mcd is not really food, that same one'd be hard pressed to count neoprotestant lols as religion. 1218493;1438285860;trinque;;;later tell pete_dushenski let me go ahead and eat my words re: desert gods now 1218494;1438285861;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1218495;1438285863;ascii_field;'i prefer that the planet exert a gravitational pull. look what happens otherwise' 1218496;1438285865;ascii_field;look where ? 1218497;1438285907;*;shinohai gift wraps a copy of LeVay's Satanic Bible, sends it to trinque 1218498;1438285915;trinque;heh I've read some of that stuff 1218499;1438285918;trinque;it's like Ayn Rand with candles 1218500;1438285926;shinohai;LOL 1218501;1438285936;mircea_popescu;bwahaha 1218502;1438286416;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1218503;1438286475;ascii_field;http://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id=www:download:start << 300 M !!! i withdraw my recommendation of 'minix' 1218504;1438286476;assbot;www:download:start [Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT9EpT ) 1218505;1438286487;ascii_field;it was coopted. 1218506;1438286526;ascii_field;and authors find it necessary to lie, e.g., 1218507;1438286527;ascii_field;'In monolithic operating systems, a driver can write to any word of memory and thus accidentally trash user programs. In MINIX 3, when a user expects data from, for example, the file system, it builds a descriptor telling who has access and at what addresses. It then passes an index to this descriptor to the file system, which may pass it to a driver. The file system or driver then asks the kernel to write via the 1218508;1438286527;ascii_field;descriptor, making it impossible for them to write to addresses outside the buffer.' 1218509;1438286531;ascii_field;^ trivially disproved 1218510;1438286544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00054279 = 18.0749 BTC [+] 1218511;1438286549;ascii_field;i can ask, e.g., a nic, to read or write arbitrary word in ram 1218512;1438286564;ascii_field;(if i can access the nic at all from the machine end) 1218513;1438286590;shinohai;"We just launched and are all excited, but one caveat. Transactions don't work." 1218514;1438286592;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3f6f1r/reminder_the_block_gas_limit_is_currently_5000_so/ 1218515;1438286593;assbot;REMINDER: the block gas limit is currently 5000, so it is not possible to send transactions. We will release an update in a couple days to cause miners to "vote" the gas limit upwards at which point the full blockchain functionality will be de-facto enabled. : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT9ZJ5 ) 1218516;1438286694;shinohai;Gas limit indeed. Whole project is hot gas. 1218517;1438286757;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, nobody yet bought the shorts 1218518;1438286768;mircea_popescu;what was it, a year ? 16 months ? 1218519;1438286775;ascii_field;nobody needed to 1218520;1438286785;mircea_popescu;!s from:mircea_popescu ethereum bitcoin 1218521;1438286786;assbot;5 results for 'from:mircea_popescu ethereum bitcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+ethereum+bitcoin 1218522;1438286790;ascii_field;buterin & co just got $2M from usg. 1218523;1438286819;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2014#764480 1218524;1438286819;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2014 22:53:40; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" for 1 BTC. 1218525;1438286821;mircea_popescu;lolz. 1218526;1438287032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70769 @ 0.00053752 = 38.0398 BTC [-] {3} 1218527;1438287058;shinohai;How did they manage to get $2 mil in funding ? 1218528;1438287093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56550 @ 0.00053753 = 30.3973 BTC [+] {2} 1218529;1438287094;ascii_field;shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214392 1218530;1438287094;assbot;Logged on 27-07-2015 23:27:09; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ https://archive.is/2ZiCQ 1218531;1438287095;kakobrekla;katz did it too. 1218532;1438287121;kakobrekla;oh this is about the same thing. 1218533;1438287133;kakobrekla;it doesnt mention butterin 1218534;1438287139;hanbot;re that hearn-gmaxwell reddit slapfight, "Not many quit their jobs and created companies to build products only for today's tiny user base." is the best part. sv somehow hoping http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/#selection-61.0-61.210 never happened. 1218535;1438287140;assbot;The future of Bitcoin regulation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuOLXs ) 1218536;1438287146;ascii_field;kakobrekla: see mircea_popescu's post re: elaine shi & co. 1218537;1438287167;kakobrekla;yeah i better shutup as im always behind. 1218538;1438287182;shinohai;I think I'll sign up for that. My innovative new currency is "mined" by wiping 1 square of tissue across my ballsack for 30 seconds. 1218539;1438287190;ascii_field;kakobrekla: she and her fuckbuddy oversee a university lab where slave labour (grad students) work (or pretend to) on 'ethereum' 1218540;1438287204;kakobrekla;nice 1218541;1438287206;mircea_popescu;lawl. actually hanbot & shinohai the stuff's quite well related. sv knows how to do one thing, the whole "make a market out of a trillion shitheads and sell them sheep olives for quarter pennies". and usg lives in this delusional alt-reality where it is enough for it to say, and things happen. 1218542;1438287227;mircea_popescu;both these got a little crashed, and yes i'm going to bleed the living life out of the entire set of derp shartups, and yes it can say until it falls over. 1218543;1438287238;mircea_popescu;but hey. until that day, every wooden cutout's a soldier. 1218544;1438287264;shinohai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terracotta_Army 1218545;1438287265;assbot;Terracotta Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DTbWoT ) 1218546;1438287332;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you will notice, if inclined to notice, the distress manifest in the reduction of funding. 1218547;1438287343;ascii_field;reduction ?! 1218548;1438287347;mircea_popescu;yes. 1218549;1438287352;mircea_popescu;coinbase can live on no 2 million. 1218550;1438287379;mircea_popescu;last year it was, "tens of millions". merely not jumping to hundred this year = fail 1218551;1438287385;ascii_field;coinbase no, 2 uni profs - sure 1218552;1438287392;mircea_popescu;but in fact it withered to a coupla, and doled out through the university program. 1218553;1438287398;ascii_field;that 2m is ~just~ for that particular sc4ml4b 1218554;1438287402;mircea_popescu;2 uni profs aren't a threat to the fucking mice in their own lab. 1218555;1438287414;mircea_popescu;it's scaling down, and painfully so. 1218556;1438287435;mircea_popescu;the 2016 usg line re bitcoin will be that "never happened, not important, uninteresting" 1218557;1438287440;ascii_field;wake me up when they can't afford to mine spamblox any moar. 1218558;1438287441;mircea_popescu;much like the olympics they can't aford. 1218559;1438287494;mircea_popescu;"it has problems, can't deliver on customer expectations, etc". you see the seeds in the amazon recent lol/ 1218560;1438287514;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin has problems that our system sucks" 1218561;1438287550;ascii_field;yes, there is a ministry of usg that occupies itself with finding nails for the microscope to pound in, badly 1218562;1438287555;ascii_field;but it is not the only ministry 1218563;1438287602;mircea_popescu;the sv ministry got raped a little. 1218564;1438287611;mircea_popescu;the agitprop ministry got raped a little. 1218565;1438287617;mircea_popescu;there's really not that many. 1218566;1438287639;mircea_popescu;anyway, be that as it may, i 1218567;1438287644;mircea_popescu;'ve never had this much fun in my life! 1218568;1438287694;ascii_field;on a not entirely unrelated note, incitatus has been steadily ~100 blocks behind 1218569;1438287704;ascii_field;for the last week or so, after (briefly) fully synced 1218570;1438287721;ascii_field;the ministry of dropped packets is doing well. 1218571;1438287747;trinque;which reminds me, my rotor instance chewed up its db when a drive's usb cable disconnected 1218572;1438287753;trinque;and berkdb claims its a db? 1218573;1438287761;ascii_field;trinque: this is not specific to rotor !! 1218574;1438287765;trinque;course not 1218575;1438287767;trinque;I know that 1218576;1438287775;trinque;I'm going to restart it from the beginning 1218577;1438287786;ascii_field;trinque: and go, unplug the disk of, e.g., a postgres 1218578;1438287787;trinque;but it's a place for obvious improvement 1218579;1438287790;ascii_field;you'll be surprised. 1218580;1438287791;trinque;ascii_field: would not do this 1218581;1438287795;trinque;write ahead log is for that 1218582;1438287808;ascii_field;again, you'll be surprised. 1218583;1438287815;trinque;as always, it depends 1218584;1438287825;trinque;but I bet postgresql would win on balance 1218585;1438287850;trinque;it's not an unsolvable problem to just hack off the frayed bit and begin again from there 1218586;1438287858;ascii_field;trinque: you speak as if this thing didn't eat enough ram and weren't slow enough 1218587;1438287870;ascii_field;now we also need a tcp crud pipe for every access to the blockchain ????!! 1218588;1438287894;trinque;atomicity of writes would be nice. 1218589;1438287901;trinque;how, a fine thing to think about 1218590;1438287946;ascii_field;easy 1218591;1438287952;ascii_field;keep all blocks in antifuse rom 1218592;1438287969;ascii_field;n+1 bits per block, with the last one signifying 'finalized' 1218593;1438287984;ascii_field;blow the last bit when 0...n represent valid block. 1218594;1438288013;trinque;there, that's an awesome idea. 1218595;1438288080;ascii_field;now go buy a silicon fab so that antifuse rom gets produced again. 1218596;1438288099;ascii_field;it is - afaik - EXTINCT today 1218597;1438288103;*;trinque turns the death metal on again, fitting as it is 1218598;1438288119;ascii_field;the 'otp' chips sold currently are a FRAUD - eeproms with black epoxy instead of window !! 1218599;1438288125;ascii_field;*eproms 1218600;1438288207;phf;well block*.dat are essentially append only, the idea can be emulated by having transaction bits. you write a t bit, you write rest of block, when done flip t bit. on restart you walk backwards until the first flipped bit and you file truncate anything from that point on 1218601;1438288225;ascii_field;nothing on a pc is 'append only' ! 1218602;1438288231;ascii_field;with possible exception of 'cd-r' 1218603;1438288238;trinque;what he describes is effectively a wal log, what's wrong with it? 1218604;1438288245;trinque;bleh, *wal, I mean 1218605;1438288256;trinque;!up ascii_field 1218606;1438288260;ascii_field;!s protocol vs promise 1218607;1438288261;assbot;2 results for 'protocol vs promise' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=protocol+vs+promise 1218608;1438288286;ascii_field;there is an important difference between 'x will not happen because i promise not to stick it in that hole, really' and 'x cannot happen because physics' 1218609;1438288312;ascii_field;and yes, people have occasionally been mistaken about physics 1218610;1438288316;trinque;fair point, yet that means no atomicity til bitcoin has its very own hardware arch 1218611;1438288321;trinque;maybe that's called for here 1218612;1438288327;ascii_field;but in virtually every case known, it was really a case of 'i won't go in that hole, promise' 1218613;1438288383;ascii_field;trinque: i was pointing out that you need a relatively minor (from r&d standpoint) device, that was ~once available~ and isn't today. 1218614;1438288427;ascii_field;pertinent story: 1218615;1438288433;ascii_field;i was once a sysadmin, for a spell 1218616;1438288441;ascii_field;and we have a then-popular tape robot 1218617;1438288464;ascii_field;the docs mentioned that one could buy 'write-once tapes', for usg regulatory compliance 1218618;1438288489;ascii_field;this piqued my curiosity and i inquired to the vendor, how, precisely, does one make a write-once magnetic tape ?!! 1218619;1438288509;ascii_field;was told that it is ordinary tape. but with a magic hole in the cartridge - like old floppy disk 1218620;1438288516;ascii_field;that the drive would obey. 1218621;1438288523;ascii_field;nearly fell down laughing 1218622;1438288541;ascii_field;a fifty-cent magnet will 'rewrite' happily, these magical 'write once' tapes. 1218623;1438288542;shinohai;"magic hole"?! 1218624;1438288548;ascii_field;as will the tape deck and a piece of 'scotch' 1218625;1438288565;ascii_field;shinohai: yes, like 3 inch 'floppy' 1218626;1438288578;ascii_field;anyway, this is 'promise' 1218627;1438288591;ascii_field;'protocol' is when you can't rewrite because you can't unburn a hole. 1218628;1438288607;ascii_field;(though still have to be careful because enemy can make holes in any place where you had not) 1218629;1438288686;trinque;amazing how bitcoin drastically increases the requirements on rigor and correctness 1218630;1438288686;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1218631;1438288691;trinque;ty assbot 1218632;1438288714;ascii_field;trinque: in precisely the same way that abdominal surgery increases required standard of hygiene 1218633;1438288719;phf;pray mr babbage 1218634;1438288721;kakobrekla; maybe that's called for here < actually its called for in many other places, you still dont get it. 1218635;1438288733;ascii_field;^^^ 1218636;1438288736;trinque;I get it just fine. 1218637;1438288742;kakobrekla;where? 1218638;1438288759;kakobrekla;get the hardware i meant. 1218639;1438288765;trinque;chewing up a database on disk is a fine way to run afoul of the "I do not have the correct blockchain problem" the whole piece of software by its very purpose tries to avoid. 1218640;1438288801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00054108 = 28.542 BTC [+] 1218641;1438288804;trinque;and while you're fabbing hardware, might want to keep the integrity of the thing in the meantime 1218642;1438288834;trinque;kakobrekla: ah I got ya 1218643;1438288866;trinque;but then to continue in that vein, I do see how trying endless mitigations is a death by a thousand cuts. 1218644;1438288893;ascii_field;none of this is hard to make. 1218645;1438288903;ascii_field;in the sense that 'cold fusion' or elixir of immortality is 1218646;1438288913;trinque;sure, just needs a business case that works like anything 1218647;1438288919;ascii_field;we know how. but market does not want penicillin. it wants the normal cocktail of horseshit and opium 1218648;1438289105;trinque;ascii_field: tactically speaking, supposing there just isn't time for antifuse rom? 1218649;1438289117;ascii_field;?? 1218650;1438289118;trinque;or 1218651;1438289122;ascii_field;what means, 'isn't time' 1218652;1438289175;trinque;or are we already in a position where things like the blocksize limit debate are moot 1218653;1438289196;trinque;I took that to be one of the reasons to take over development of bitcoind 1218654;1438289266;ascii_field;the reason to remove machine gun from the hands of a demented anal child is not necessarily that you need the thing for anything. 1218655;1438289324;ascii_field;trinque: i'll repeat the question - what is the meaning of 'isn't time' here ? 1218656;1438289348;trinque;#up peterl 1218657;1438289351;trinque;!up peterl 1218658;1438289360;peterl;thanks, trinque 1218659;1438289366;trinque;yw 1218660;1438289389;peterl;btw, I alrways read your name like it rhymes with drink, is this right? 1218661;1438289397;trinque;that's how I say it, yep 1218662;1438289409;trinque;ascii_field: supposing the network goes the way of the gavins 1218663;1438289420;trinque;but in that case I suppose "let em fork" ? 1218664;1438289423;ascii_field;there is no 'the network' 1218665;1438289425;trinque;better to get bitcoind right? 1218666;1438289432;ascii_field;there is the gavins, and there is the actual people. 1218667;1438289435;ascii_field;it's that simple. 1218668;1438289452;*;shinohai is glas he discovered therealbitcoin 1218669;1438289456;shinohai;*glad 1218670;1438289472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47586 @ 0.00054108 = 25.7478 BTC [+] 1218671;1438289504;trinque;I've taken the size of the network as one of the things ensuring its continued existence. 1218672;1438289530;ascii_field;trinque: how ? 1218673;1438289533;peterl;so I go to use the computer at $LocalLibrary, sign into their winblows system, pull up gmail, and lo and behold the previous user is *still signed in*. 1218674;1438289564;trinque;ascii_field: the hashing power monopoly scenario; say it forks and there's nearly no hashing power on the side of therealbitcoind 1218675;1438289585;ascii_field;trinque: then we switch workfunctions 1218676;1438289605;ascii_field;trinque: say, the cellular automata apparatus i described last year 1218677;1438289616;*;trinque goes to find the thread 1218678;1438289630;ascii_field;understand, the thing can work while being used only by mircea_popescu and five other similar fellas to 'hawala' at each other. 1218679;1438289644;pete_dushenski;;;seen BingoBoingo 1218680;1438289644;gribble;BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: AH, I started reading it before scoopy found it 1218681;1438289650;peterl;does it matter how much hashing pwer they have if it is pointed at the other side of a fork? 1218682;1438289669;pete_dushenski;peterl http://bablogs.btcscoop.com/ is no more ? 1218683;1438289724;pete_dushenski;wtf qntra. stop snarfing my shit. why you no like my cecil comment ? 1218684;1438289725;peterl;hmm, yeah, I havn't had time to keep up with that, did you use it? I suppose I could resurect it? 1218685;1438289740;pete_dushenski;i used it now and again 1218686;1438289825;pete_dushenski;https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ETC << big money movin' over in 2.0land 1218687;1438289826;assbot;Bittrex.com - ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPBx95 ) 1218688;1438289936;shinohai;heh buttrex 1218689;1438289949;pete_dushenski;eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out. 1218690;1438289950;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218673 << anybody interesting ? 1218691;1438289950;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 20:52:13; peterl: so I go to use the computer at $LocalLibrary, sign into their winblows system, pull up gmail, and lo and behold the previous user is *still signed in*. 1218692;1438289993;peterl;no, just some derpy schmoe. I thought about sending funny emails to all his friends, but didn't. 1218693;1438290041;pete_dushenski;!s desert god 1218694;1438290042;assbot;1 results for 'desert god' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=desert+god 1218695;1438290088;pete_dushenski;trinque refresh my memory perhaps ? 1218696;1438290091;shinohai;!up ascii_field 1218697;1438290155;trinque;pete_dushenski: it was in reference to the ISIS convo 1218698;1438290160;shinohai;Be evil peterl and send emails to ISIS recruiters. 1218699;1438290168;kakobrekla;a whole 8 buttcoin volume on that thin, is that all they got? 1218700;1438290189;pete_dushenski;trinque silly me. of course. 1218701;1438290192;trinque;above I spoke about being fond of my folks having the drive to "not suck" 1218702;1438290197;peterl;I should have emailed the ISIS and cc'ed NSA? 1218703;1438290203;trinque;regardless of it being derived from said desert god 1218704;1438290204;shinohai;xD 1218705;1438290210;trinque;\ 1218706;1438290217;*;trinque nearly drops his laptop... 1218707;1438290241;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla that's buttrex trading engine at 9,000 rpm for ya. 1218708;1438290277;pete_dushenski;makes bitstamp look like the chinese olympic games 1218709;1438290320;trinque;until later gents 1218710;1438290327;pete_dushenski;trinque they do seem to have their place and their purpose. 1218711;1438290327;pete_dushenski;cheers. 1218712;1438290374;pete_dushenski;peterl shoulda logged into your sr account 1218713;1438290409;peterl;first I would have to make one 1218714;1438290488;phf;ascii_field: is your argument then, on a higher level, if abstraction leaks it should not be introduced? 1218715;1438290507;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1218716;1438290521;ascii_field;phf: no. if it leaks, should find the author and boil him in oil. 1218717;1438290536;ascii_field;it is very helpful, and should be introduced, so that we know whom to boil in oil. 1218718;1438290621;ascii_field;it is entirely possible to make abstractions which do not, in any meaningful sense, leak. 1218719;1438290640;ascii_field;e.g., hardly anyone knows - or needs to know - what chemical process precisely it was that produced his cpu. 1218720;1438290658;ascii_field;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55 << see also. 1218721;1438290660;assbot;Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPCY7G ) 1218722;1438290691;shinohai;Heh i need to find those dumb dogecoins i have somewhere and cash 'em out for btc, i could use it. 1218723;1438290698;phf;ascii_field: oh i wan't talking in the abstract, i was thinking in terms of prescriptive specifically when it comes to working on bitcoind 1218724;1438290726;ascii_field;phf: for so long as it runs on a consumer pc, it will exhibit the braindamage characteristic to the pc. 1218725;1438290749;peterl;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217674 << why does everybody mention it was a dentist that killed the lion? Did a tooth extraction go horribly wrong? 1218726;1438290749;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 10:25:45; scoopbot_revived: Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law http://qntra.net/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-is-a-pretext-for-expanding-extraterritoriality-of-us-law/ 1218727;1438290752;ascii_field;such as losing bits when the mains current flickers 1218728;1438290767;ascii_field;peterl: it is hidden 'class' outrage 1218729;1438290775;ascii_field;'why is a dentist wealthy enough to go on safari ?!' 1218730;1438290795;ascii_field;phinancier - a-ok 1218731;1438290799;ascii_field;politico - a-ok 1218732;1438290810;ascii_field;kill, eat the last panda, why not. 1218733;1438290821;ascii_field;dentist?! atrocity. 1218734;1438290849;shinohai;We should help preserve as many lions as possible, IMO. What else are we gonna feed all the Xstians to? 1218735;1438290865;ascii_field;ocelots. 1218736;1438290906;peterl;reminds me of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1430626/ where the antagonists are a bunch of rich snobs who strive to eat the most rare species 1218737;1438290908;assbot;Les Pirates! Bons à rien, mauvais en tout (2012) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPDhPG ) 1218738;1438290939;peterl;why did assbot get the title in french? 1218739;1438291050;pete_dushenski;because kako's a socialist 1218740;1438291059;phf;ascii_field: there's a lot of leaky abstractions in the current codebase, starting with "string" and "bignum". presumably the solution for those will be to port bitcoind to an architecture with tagged memory? 1218741;1438291071;ascii_field;phf: aha. 1218742;1438291094;ascii_field;phf: and if you know of these leaking in some meaningful sense, please say. 1218743;1438291415;phf;ascii_field: so what's the difference between existing leaky abstractions that don't leak in some meaningful sense and the ones that we decide to introduce? 1218744;1438291441;ascii_field;phf: please give more specific example ? 1218745;1438291445;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Comment rescued 1218746;1438291487;phf;ascii_field: oh i'm still on the subject of wal logs 1218747;1438291492;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo cheers mate. i guess i'm in the spammer books or something 1218748;1438291527;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You most likely used a spammy word combo. Or you lost your automatic approval browser cookie since your last comment. 1218749;1438291546;ascii_field;phf: when you lose your keys, you may not know exactly where they are, but you can be very certain that they are not on the moon. 1218750;1438291556;ascii_field;this is what it means for an abstraction not to leak. 1218751;1438291560;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo myeah. ah well. all better nao ! 1218752;1438291622;*;ben_vulpes is looking forward to digesting three days of megalog 1218753;1438291652;ben_vulpes;!up SuchWow 1218754;1438291655;ben_vulpes;how's the dogecoin? 1218755;1438291682;SuchWow;lol 1218756;1438291688;SuchWow;as always :) 1218757;1438291710;SuchWow;kinda surprising how stable it's been 1218758;1438291715;SuchWow;how's the bitcoin? 1218759;1438291726;ben_vulpes;scam, as always 1218760;1438291728;Adlai;kinda surprising how unstable it's been 1218761;1438291848;SuchWow;any hot new bitcoin assets? 1218762;1438291875;SuchWow;are there IPOs with bitcoin based stocks at all 1218763;1438291940;Adlai;;;ident suchwow 1218764;1438291940;gribble;Nick 'suchwow', with hostmask 'SuchWow!~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow', is not identified. 1218765;1438292129;SuchWow;I am just SuchWow, never cared for identing with anything other than nickserv 1218766;1438292150;SuchWow;they do know me in #dogecoin tho, it's true. ;) 1218767;1438292156;shinohai;If you aren't in WoT, you don't exist. 1218768;1438292166;SuchWow;i like being invisible 1218769;1438292188;asciilifeform;!down SuchWow 1218770;1438292193;ascii_field;very invisible. 1218771;1438292198;ascii_field;you're welcome, SuchWow 1218772;1438292211;shinohai;ty ascii_field 1218773;1438292214;phf;ascii_field: i'm having hard time understanding your point then. c++ on a von neumann machine leaks by protocol, so we either write against the guarantees of the underlying machine or not at all? 1218774;1438292284;ascii_field;phf: c++ on x86 will be a turd, yes 1218775;1438292286;ascii_field;and if phf read the logz, he knows that i am an opponent of maintaining the 0.5.3 thing into eternity. 1218776;1438292348;phf;!up ascii_field 1218777;1438292440;phf;huh, i actually forgot that. it was somewhere in the discussion about conformal implementation, "not written in wot" 1218778;1438292459;ascii_field;phf: more of a 'written in proprietary turdlang' 1218779;1438292467;ascii_field;but also, yes, non-wot 1218780;1438292479;mircea_popescu;ascii_field: we know how. but market does not want penicillin. it wants the normal cocktail of horseshit and opium << this sounds like it';d sell 1218781;1438292491;ascii_field;sold great in usa! 1218782;1438292497;ascii_field;1800-1920 roughly 1218783;1438292577;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218673 << any good nudes ? 1218784;1438292577;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 20:52:13; peterl: so I go to use the computer at $LocalLibrary, sign into their winblows system, pull up gmail, and lo and behold the previous user is *still signed in*. 1218785;1438292705;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218686 << obvious;ly thewir derpy web2.0 site doesn't load here. how much actual BTC could i get by shorting a billion eth atm, provided of course there were an actual market for the thing which behaved like a market and so i could do this ? 1218786;1438292705;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 20:57:05; pete_dushenski: https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ETC << big money movin' over in 2.0land 1218787;1438292776;ascii_field;let's together visit the planet with the market-that-behaves-like-market 1218788;1438292779;pete_dushenski;let's see, at 8 btc a day... 1218789;1438292780;ascii_field;mircea_popescu can short eth there 1218790;1438292784;ascii_field;and i will sell real cpu. 1218791;1438292810;mircea_popescu;go there, come back with functioning hardware ? 1218792;1438292818;kakobrekla;peterl because the end point of assbot url parser is in france. assbot is on another server, for obvious reasons. 1218793;1438292821;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu you'd be an even older old man by the time you went through a billion eth 1218794;1438292827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91040 @ 0.00054297 = 49.432 BTC [+] {3} 1218795;1438292837;kakobrekla;peterl and imdb wants to be 'smart'. 1218796;1438292845;mircea_popescu;no, seriously, what's the thing quoted at ? 1218797;1438292871;pete_dushenski;0.01 btc/eth 1218798;1438292900;mircea_popescu;ahahaah what! 1218799;1438292902;pete_dushenski;pre-sale was 0.0005 1218800;1438292905;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna buy some eth from me ? 1218801;1438292908;ascii_field;http://www.dbit.com/index.html << in other nyooz, this exists. 1218802;1438292909;assbot;D Bit Ersatz-11 PDP-11 emulator ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTGFsF ) 1218803;1438292932;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski lol ? they claimed iirc something more like 0.001 which is whyt i was offering 5k for 1btc last year 1218804;1438292958;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they sold for 1/4 what i was offering ? "presale" , what's that, the web2.0 word for "fraud" ? 1218805;1438292967;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu pre-sale was 1337 - 2000 eth/btc, depending on timing 1218806;1438292990;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1/0.0005 1218807;1438292991;gribble;2000 1218808;1438292995;mircea_popescu;aha! 1218809;1438293001;mircea_popescu;it's starting to come back to me. 1218810;1438293008;mircea_popescu;so anyone wanna pay me 100 btc for 10k etc ? 1218811;1438293027;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/ << obligatory 1218812;1438293028;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTGPjz ) 1218813;1438293065;mircea_popescu;yeah. lulz of all time. 1218814;1438293116;ascii_field;and that iso boots! 1218815;1438293127;ascii_field;in 250 milliseconds (emulator), no less 1218816;1438293129;ascii_field;damn. 1218817;1438293155;mircea_popescu;o.O 1218818;1438293157;mircea_popescu;which ios this ? 1218819;1438293661;shinohai;great article pete_dushenski 1218820;1438293680;pete_dushenski;thanks man 1218821;1438293681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34709 @ 0.00053363 = 18.5218 BTC [-] {3} 1218822;1438293910;shinohai;I think I read somewhere that failed "social currency" reddcoin 's lead developer quit, after squandering all their IPCO funds, and now they are going to attempt round two. 1218823;1438293923;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://www.dbit.com/demo.html << it 1218824;1438293924;assbot;Ersatz-11 Demo version ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDwdE2 ) 1218825;1438293953;ascii_field;i bet that fella sleeps ad libitum 1218826;1438293963;ascii_field;and has a spiffy long grey beard. 1218827;1438293987;ascii_field;no 'css' on that www ! 1218828;1438294090;ascii_field;that thing talks to modern nics, etc. 1218829;1438294096;ascii_field;(from emulated pdp11) 1218830;1438294602;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1218831;1438294610;ascii_field;http://www.dbit.com/putr/putr.asm << he develops in asm, aha 1218832;1438294613;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDxhrx ) 1218833;1438295578;ascii_field;http://moneyandtech.com/mark-karpeles-agents-responsible-mt-gox-hack << lulz >> http://www.coindesk.com/report-tokyo-police-seeking-fraud-charges-against-mt-gox-ceo 1218834;1438295579;assbot;Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwVdip ) 1218835;1438295580;assbot;Report: Police Seeking Criminal Charges Against Mt Gox CEO ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwVdiz ) 1218836;1438295615;ascii_field;https://archive.is/YmBC8 1218837;1438295616;assbot;Mark Karpeles: US Agents Might Be Responsible for Mt. Gox Hack | Money & Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwVhPb ) 1218838;1438295620;trinque;has king karp skipped tokyo yet? 1218839;1438295730;trinque;holy shit, at least he said it aloud 1218840;1438295751;decimation;<+jurov> funkenstein_: shannon would apply if the intertubes were analog < shannon applies to intertubes, as his theory applies to all tranmission of information - you must expend energy to communicate and there is no infinitely reliable channel 1218841;1438295760;ascii_field;trinque: disappointing further down, where he accuses the sr investigator derps 1218842;1438295766;ascii_field;rather than his actual handlers 1218843;1438295782;ascii_field;(karpeles doesn't want to eat the nailgun yet, apparently) 1218844;1438295848;trinque;too bad; he almost did something half-honorable 1218845;1438295977;trinque;sr --> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044 1218846;1438295977;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2014 22:27:18; asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now. 1218847;1438296006;trinque;do they do anything else anymore, other than govt theater 1218848;1438296206;trinque;this of course doesn't absolve gox of being grossly incompetent 1218849;1438296209;trinque;but fascinating. 1218850;1438296537;jurov;decimation: since you like to split hairs, does, say, does the noise distribution in your internet connection have a value you can use in shannon's theorem? 1218851;1438296548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78156 @ 0.00052515 = 41.0436 BTC [-] 1218852;1438296579;jurov;i'd say it does not, it's either almost noiseless or there's no connection at all 1218853;1438296607;jurov;like arguing about newtonian physics in videogame 1218854;1438296853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58122 @ 0.00053686 = 31.2034 BTC [+] {4} 1218855;1438296901;BingoBoingo;Since scoop seems missing http://qntra.net/2015/07/karpeles-facing-charges-in-japan/ 1218856;1438296902;assbot;Karpeles Facing Charges in Japan? | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbH0lG ) 1218857;1438296942;pete_dushenski;;;later tell williamdunne bring back scoops ! 1218858;1438296942;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1218859;1438297980;decimation;jurov: not so. plenty of packets would be lost if you attempted to spam me with udp, for instance 1218860;1438298027;decimation;but at any rate, you can experiment yourself, dump large quantities of data from one machine to another. you will find a non-zero error rate eventually 1218861;1438298035;decimation;it's quite low, but not infinitely so 1218862;1438298076;decimation;I suppose I don't see a difference between analog and digital communication, even in principle 1218863;1438298438;ag3nt_zer0;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217340 << general wesley snipes lol 1218864;1438298438;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 01:58:03; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217301 << the legal precedent is that if you're thye sort of guy that solves his own poroblems rather than seek the help of the state, you're a self-radicalizing terrorists and general wesley snipes of nato wants you in treblinka 1218865;1438298514;BingoBoingo;https://gist.github.com/sipa/c65665fc360ca7a176a6 << lulz 1218866;1438298516;assbot;Block size according to technological growth. · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbIM6k ) 1218867;1438299053;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217349 << total agreement. that book I linked you to put it this way "If an idea is true, it belongs equally to all who are capable of understanding it." p.56 - did you ever get to that btw? 1218868;1438299053;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 02:15:56; trinque: I reject entirely the notion that concepts can be owned. 1218869;1438299842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128000 @ 0.00052398 = 67.0694 BTC [-] {2} 1218870;1438299927;BingoBoingo;So, killing ophanage helps to seriously cut bitcoin memory usage on 0.7.3 much as it does on 0.5.3... Also CPU usage much flatter when keeping up aside from new block CPU storm 1218871;1438300143;ben_vulpes; y'know, like everybody in, e.g., buenos aires, can << this is wild and unsubstantiated FUD. bad coffee is everywhere in ba, the argentines can't grow their own, and their braindead government won't let them import green beans in enough of a timely fashion to keep them from going stale or molding. i have *had* good cups of coffee there, but even in the nice places the espresso is only casi casi. 1218872;1438300359;BingoBoingo;Not sources provided at http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/bitcoin-0.7.2/ are now out of sync with what I am actually running 1218873;1438300360;assbot;Index of /bitcoin-0.7.2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4wEJ ) 1218874;1438300367;BingoBoingo;*Note 1218875;1438300468;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218870 << why did you do this, again...? 1218876;1438300468;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 23:45:27; BingoBoingo: So, killing ophanage helps to seriously cut bitcoin memory usage on 0.7.3 much as it does on 0.5.3... Also CPU usage much flatter when keeping up aside from new block CPU storm 1218877;1438300485;asciilifeform;why not backport whatever it was you liked so much in 0.7 ?? 1218878;1438300497;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So I can learn and derp on systems other people aren't counting on 1218879;1438300508;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nobody's counting on 0.5.3 last i knew... 1218880;1438300560;asciilifeform;(except possibly for me, i moved my personal flagship to my bleeding tree; but i'm not a serious user of bitcoin) 1218881;1438300608;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218871 << none of the cups i had there tasted of burned diesel the way 'starbucks' mandatorily does. 1218882;1438300608;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 23:49:03; ben_vulpes: y'know, like everybody in, e.g., buenos aires, can << this is wild and unsubstantiated FUD. bad coffee is everywhere in ba, the argentines can't grow their own, and their braindead government won't let them import green beans in enough of a timely fashion to keep them from going stale or molding. i have *had* good cups of coffee there, but even in the nice places the espresso is only casi 1218883;1438300623;asciilifeform;this alone is enough for me. 1218884;1438300750;BingoBoingo;It is hard to say what anyone counts on. It is also hard to say how well I actually understand the cpp I attempt a performance of reading. And so Imma keep chopping at this for a while to get more familiar with the code. main.cpp is already ~1000 loc shorter than 0.7.2 release, perhaps more. I figure Derp on 0.7, read 0.5.x and patches and maybe at some point I will understand 1218885;1438300798;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho, the problem is that the item you are becoming familiar with, has no future. 1218886;1438300813;asciilifeform;it is taking up space in your head where you could, potentially, put something valuable. 1218887;1438300913;BingoBoingo;Head has plenty of space. I drink to clear up plenty of useful space in head. Anyways chopping away on system I choose to depend on that no one else uses provides a serious incentive to not fuck up. 1218888;1438300982;BingoBoingo;0.5.3 isn't much different from 0.7.2 really a lot of overlap. Mostly just more loc, but not too many differences yet in the ones they share. Most of the wild differences and cpp-isms enter in 0.8 and 0.9 and beyond 1218889;1438301852;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: began, then workload ate my free time for a bit, but it's still in my stack 1218890;1438303458;BingoBoingo;https://www.yahoo.com/travel/man-sues-airline-says-fat-seatmate-caused-back-125462803042.html 1218891;1438303459;assbot;Man Sues Airline — Says Fat Seatmate Caused Back Injury ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCB8I0 ) 1218892;1438303985;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov would you please consider getting rid of the PILE OF SHIT appended to the filenames ? 1218893;1438303986;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1218894;1438303999;asciilifeform;i believe that i am not alone in ragingly hating its fucking guts 1218895;1438304042;BingoBoingo;http://www.itworld.com/article/2954835/oracle-preps-sonoma-chip-for-lowpriced-sparc-servers.html << possibly related to Elbrus revival 1218896;1438304043;assbot;Oracle preps 'Sonoma' chip for low-priced Sparc servers | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDPTre ) 1218897;1438304057;asciilifeform;i don't see why i should EVER have to mv bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1_8a8d52a747f0b0bd5d7a2cce9d0938f1dd6e1239.tar.gz.sig bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz.sig 1218898;1438304089;trinque;mmyeah that's pretty annoying 1218899;1438304095;shinohai;I wondered about that myself, but just meh'd it off an mv 1218900;1438304115;asciilifeform;i'm done 'mehing things off' 1218901;1438304123;asciilifeform;this is how we end up buried in cement truck full of shit 1218902;1438304130;asciilifeform;zero tolerance. 1218903;1438304210;trinque;https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-July/066638.html 1218904;1438304211;assbot;[Mailman-Users] Disable attachment scrubbing? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCCwKF ) 1218905;1438304229;trinque;might be the thing 1218906;1438304478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36956 @ 0.00053665 = 19.8324 BTC [+] {3} 1218907;1438304877;shinohai;True dat, asciilifeform ... mod6 told me the same :/ 1218908;1438304944;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know 1218909;1438304970;asciilifeform;if any were produced at all, they are being used in-house. 1218910;1438304974;asciilifeform;like the last... 4 of'em 1218911;1438304994;asciilifeform;not even golden, but monocrystalline diamond toilet. 1218912;1438305026;BingoBoingo;That is likely. If any escape it may be that oracle wishes to kill the market for them. 1218913;1438305035;BingoBoingo;With cheap USG sparc 1218914;1438305047;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is the one thing guaranteed not to happen 1218915;1438305069;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: given as the whole purpose of elbrus, to the extent it had one, is to be a non-nato computer 1218916;1438305076;asciilifeform;suitable for use in, e.g., ru nukes 1218917;1438305102;asciilifeform;thus it does not compete in any market where american product is present 1218918;1438305114;BingoBoingo;Of course, but USG is rarely rational anymore. 1218919;1438305163;asciilifeform;the hilarious part re: elbrus - given ~only~ the published material - is that it has standard chinese peripherals, on memory-mapped i/o... 1218920;1438305187;asciilifeform;it's almost like no one is even ~trying~. 1218921;1438305216;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/07/wikileaks-stratfor-malware.htm << lulz 1218922;1438305219;assbot;WikiLeaks Stratfor Emails Contain Malware 1218923;1438305275;shinohai;I dunno why I feel such distaste fr Julian Assange, I have never been able to put a finger on it. 1218924;1438305285;asciilifeform;because he's a usg tool ? 1218925;1438305293;trinque;he certainly stinks of one. 1218926;1438305302;asciilifeform;(to a first approximation, 'famous in usg media' ======= usg tool) 1218927;1438305342;shinohai;lol 1218928;1438305393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79354 @ 0.00052244 = 41.4577 BTC [-] {4} 1218929;1438305423;shinohai;I jokingly said that perhaps he and Edward Snowden were gay lovers on reddit once, and almost got tarred and feathered. 1218930;1438305669;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, trinque, et al: if any of you had problems with 'rotor,' be aware that the toolchain dir and its contents CANNOT BE MOVED OR RENAMED 1218931;1438305677;asciilifeform;they contain configs with absolute paths ! 1218932;1438305695;asciilifeform;this idiocy is not my doing, it is gcc/binutils. 1218933;1438305726;trinque;I can use it just fine now 1218934;1438305746;asciilifeform;i.e. if you built it and it ended up sitting down in /home/luser/a/b/d/e/f/g/p/q/r/s, it will stay there. or rebuild WHOLE THING again. 1218935;1438305748;trinque;just seems like db's configure script has some problem, and grabbed some data from my env 1218936;1438305759;asciilifeform;trinque: post patch plz 1218937;1438305761;asciilifeform;for the others. 1218938;1438305764;trinque;will do 1218939;1438305774;trinque;otherwise pretty impressive that the diff between the two binaries was so small 1218940;1438305784;asciilifeform;try 'vbindiff' and explore it. 1218941;1438305795;trinque;k 1218942;1438305829;asciilifeform;i'd like to get it to be null. 1218943;1438305837;asciilifeform;so we can start talking about bytes in the bin! 1218944;1438305843;asciilifeform;with absolute locations. 1218945;1438307468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00052872 = 9.702 BTC [+] 1218946;1438308077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77002 @ 0.00053801 = 41.4278 BTC [+] {2} 1218947;1438309084;decimation;asciilifeform: re: starbucks: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/05/02/why-no-robots-at-starbucks/ 1218948;1438309085;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why no robots at Starbucks? ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Zhmv ) 1218949;1438309108;decimation;asciilifeform: I don't know if you have been to a starbucks recently, but they converted over to 'fully automatic' espresso machines - with milk dispenser! 1218950;1438309114;decimation;all the 'barista' does is hit the button 1218951;1438309156;decimation;greenspun thinks that if starbucks went 'full coke machine' and got rid of the employees, they wouldn't be able to charge the rates they do, because 'not hand crafted' 1218952;1438309184;decimation;so they are stuck with humans who pretend to know how to make coffee 1218953;1438309536;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2014#954154 < asciilifeform I think you meant 'encrypted with emphemeral key'? 1218954;1438309536;assbot;Logged on 16-12-2014 01:40:04; asciilifeform: what follows is the payload, divided into K gibblets, each below udp mtu in size, each signed with ephemeral key. the gibblets are coded using fountain code (e.g. 'raptor') and you need N of K - in any order - to reassemble. 1218955;1438309604;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206508 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206511 1218956;1438309604;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:45:47; asciilifeform: payload (incl. the signature) is in the crypted blob 1218957;1438309604;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2015 19:46:08; asciilifeform: ~i~ mentioned it 1218958;1438309604;BingoBoingo; so they are stuck with humans who pretend to know how to make coffee << Just like McDonalds where every aspect of food preparation is automated except for parts where the necessary machines don't yet exist. 1218959;1438309648;decimation;BingoBoingo: and those machines don't exist because mcdonald's would face a shitstorm if it went 'full coke machine' 1218960;1438309777;BingoBoingo;decimation: I doubt it. The steps where humans are involved are the ones where X has to be moved to Y. Ones where the chromosonally retarded can perform adequate error checking. Perhaps the right machines exist in some bunker, or it isn't economical to produce them though they have been developed. 1218961;1438309837;decimation;mcdonalds 'provides good jobs' 1218962;1438309858;decimation;https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/30/yes-my-teenage-son-is-transgender-no-you-may-not-ask-about-his-genitals/?hpid=z9 < lol new low for wapo "When others ask me whether or not my son has a vagina, and they actually do ask, I feel violated and disrespected. Transgender people are human. " 1218963;1438309859;assbot;Yes, my teenage son is transgender. No, you may not ask about his genitals. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1I60ACb ) 1218964;1438309928;decimation;where do they dig this shit up? meanwhile actual shit happens in usg all around washington - not important? 1218965;1438309937;BingoBoingo; mcdonalds 'provides good jobs' << Nah jobs are the franchinsee's problem 1218966;1438309993;decimation;sure, but franchisee doesn't make R&D decisions 1218967;1438310034;BingoBoingo;So long as McDonalds has few corporate stores they have to staff and having staff at all is largely a franchisee problem McDonalds will automate for consistency (i.e. robogrill) instead of doing so to purely reduce labor. 1218968;1438310090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46337 @ 0.00053801 = 24.9298 BTC [+] {2} 1218969;1438310133;BingoBoingo;At the point where USG decides franchisee employees are actually McDonalds employees... coke machine 1218970;1438310245;BingoBoingo;Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at. 1218971;1438310883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1500 @ 0.00111 = 1.665 BTC 1218972;1438311089;decimation;lol https://twitter.com/USFWS/status/626788237399339008 < apparently twitter is how usg tries to get in touch with people now? 1218973;1438311128;coderwill;It will be interesting to see if food shortages are bearish for McDonald's in the long run. OTOH, I wonder how much of the menu is actually subject to food shortages. 1218974;1438311188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00053802 = 2.1252 BTC [+] {2} 1218975;1438311248;BingoBoingo;decimation: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/626948881792794625 1218976;1438311264;BingoBoingo;coderwill: Probably the same way they always have, menu adjustments. 1218977;1438311735;BingoBoingo;As scoopy is down http://qntra.net/2015/07/wikileaks-stratfor-dump-contains-malware/ 1218978;1438311736;assbot;WikiLeaks Stratfor Dump Contains Malware | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxsMkt ) 1218979;1438311806;coderwill;BingoBoingo: Not to change the topic, but have been wondering something, if you don't mind me asking - do you write under your alias as opposed to a real name for any particular reason? 1218980;1438311882;BingoBoingo;coderwill: I came this channel all cautious like because I was afraid of making a fool out of myself. Eventually I had used this nick long enough I identify as this more than I do as my USG imposed slave name. 1218981;1438311909;BingoBoingo;But my slave name is on the Qntra MPEx contract for the curious. 1218982;1438311966;coderwill;Ah, thanks for the background - that's really interesting. I myself am thinking about a new project, and was wondering if in this day and age it is a disadvantage to attach a real-life identify to the Internet. 1218983;1438312043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34021 @ 0.00053802 = 18.304 BTC [+] 1218984;1438312100;BingoBoingo;I mean the connection mean I've basically self doxxed, but my slave name may actually be a less common string than the IRC nick. 1218985;1438312291;mats;such drama 1218986;1438312304;mats;'slave name' 1218987;1438312344;BingoBoingo;mats: I'm still out on bond... as I have been since May 2013 1218988;1438312428;decimation;mats: I think you are right about snowden by the way 1218989;1438312533;mats;it is suspicious that he shills projects like tails also 1218990;1438312568;mats;next thing ya know he's gonna be telling folks to use 'TextSecure' and 'RedPhone' 1218991;1438312606;decimation;I don't buy into this conspiracy theory stuff. a much more consistant theory is that he didn't know wtf he was talking about 1218992;1438312631;mats;I have no dramatic theories as to wut is going on (like alf) but I do not care at all about what he has to say 1218993;1438312655;decimation;either he was a brilliant ru spy, or he was a self-appointed reddit internet policeman 1218994;1438312656;trinque;he can be oblivious and serve the same purpose. 1218995;1438312703;mats;I agree its most likely he's just a dumbass 1218996;1438312709;decimation;he might have had a pretty good case (that he was a whistleblower) if all he released was the verizon court order for all the metadata 1218997;1438312715;BingoBoingo;decimation: I lean towards Snowden being a derpy redditor with an opportunity who happened to steal the powerpoints because... reddit 1218998;1438312731;decimation;yeah that's a pretty likely theory 1218999;1438312766;decimation;aside from the metadata stuff, the evidence that there's domestic spying going on seems pretty thin 1219000;1438312775;BingoBoingo;Of course ascii could be right and derpy reddit Snowden could be a stage actor 1219001;1438312802;decimation;maybe, but I don't understand how it benefits usg 1219002;1438312819;decimation;I do see how all the noise and confusion benefits usg's enemies 1219003;1438312869;BingoBoingo;Well, if stuff was already leaking, replace actual leaker with Reddit derp stage actor. 1219004;1438312886;BingoBoingo;But that's asciilifeform's theory 1219005;1438312897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75000 @ 0.00052542 = 39.4065 BTC [-] {2} 1219006;1438312917;BingoBoingo;Edward Snowden in CitizenFour seemed legit though... derpy 1219007;1438312920;decimation;which seems to be based on "he only released some tech stuff" 1219008;1438312972;decimation;he's either a very good actor or he was earnest 1219009;1438312977;decimation;but he's not being entirely forthcoming 1219010;1438312987;BingoBoingo;I dunno how anyone could trust Greenwald after Citizenfour unless they have some liberal switch in their head which gets tripped when they see his Brazilian boyfriend 1219011;1438312988;decimation;is real position seems to be that usg shouldn't spy on anyone, even foriegners 1219012;1438313014;mats;what a shit sysadmin 1219013;1438313080;decimation;now, I do think usg has a real problem with its 'secret services' running amock, making a mess of things, and generally being completely untransparent to anybody 1219014;1438313158;asciilifeform;mats: down to business - what's your position on the 'july plot' men ? 1219015;1438313168;decimation;?? tom cruise? 1219016;1438313170;asciilifeform;traitors, heros ? 1219017;1438313185;decimation;traitors to the third reich 1219018;1438313187;asciilifeform;20 july 1944. 1219019;1438313239;decimation;they might have been heros to the allies, if they hadn't failed 1219020;1438313251;asciilifeform;does anyone grasp my point ? 1219021;1438313283;decimation;certainly. what is your position on mr. oleg of the kgb? 1219022;1438313291;asciilifeform;usg tool. 1219023;1438313295;asciilifeform;(see log) 1219024;1438313297;decimation;traitor? 1219025;1438313351;asciilifeform;point is that 'heroes hang when traitors triumph' (tm) (r) 1219026;1438313426;asciilifeform;(my primary beef with kalugin is that he is one of the folks actively working to ensure that an honest primary history of the 20th c. can never be written; rather than anything he did in the wars of the empires) 1219027;1438313437;decimation;certainly usg is gonna throw the book at snowden - how could anyone in the civil service have sympathy? 1219028;1438313460;asciilifeform;the total war against honest history is a specifically 20th c. thing (if we discount chinese and egyptian monarchs who were deeply into rewriting the books) 1219029;1438313468;decimation;and the romans too 1219030;1438313496;decimation;although somehow many of the the 'damned memories' are still known today 1219031;1438313496;asciilifeform;the ancients, must note, had a much easier job of it. 1219032;1438313566;decimation;yes, but the problem today seems to be sorting signal from noise 1219033;1438313656;asciilifeform;http://www.newsweek.com/reports-massachusetts-police-arrest-captains-son-alleged-isis-plot-353217 << l0l, somehow missed this 1219034;1438313657;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEuPBS ) 1219035;1438313674;asciilifeform;the item in the photo is a very peculiar building which i recently saw in nyc 1219036;1438313709;asciilifeform;a little booth, in which one can enlist in the army; but it was 1) directly in the very centre of time square 2) fenced off, and guarded by police, no one could go in! 1219037;1438313723;decimation;heh 1219038;1438313740;asciilifeform;'Last September, investigators discovered that Ciccolo allegedly wanted to travel overseas to fight for ISIS, according to court documents recently unsealed. Then, Ciccolo began speaking with someone whom he didn't realize was an undercover operative. On July 3, the FBI watched him buy a pressure cooker from a Walmart in North Adams, Massachusetts.' 1219039;1438313744;asciilifeform;mega-l0l 1219040;1438313783;decimation;"wouldn't you really like to go to syria?" 1219041;1438313795;decimation;what if he was just gonna cook beans? 1219042;1438314261;coderwill;mats: you mentioned snowden shilling for tails 1219043;1438314287;coderwill;mats: do you mean that as an insinuation that tails is not what it claims to be? 1219044;1438314664;BingoBoingo;Tails probably fails to deliver what it promises 1219045;1438314676;decimation;the only way to know is to read the code; build for self 1219046;1438314715;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2013#340041 1219047;1438314715;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2013 15:21:32; mircea_popescu: i'm with asciilifeform's suggestion : that pps is prima facie evidence that the nsa is in fact currently decoding ALL traffic passing through all tor nodes, linking it to originating ips and storing this mess. 1219048;1438314724;asciilifeform;plus his tor article (don't have the link handy atm) 1219049;1438314738;asciilifeform;decimation: the thing is about as readable as bitcoin 1219050;1438314751;coderwill;interesting 1219051;1438314790;asciilifeform;coderwill: on top of the thousand and one other sins, tor linked in ssl at the height of 'heartbleed' - something which pretty much nobody is speaking of today 1219052;1438314797;asciilifeform;'let's pretend never happened!' 1219053;1438314825;decimation;what's 'pps' 1219054;1438314839;coderwill;asciilifeform: sorry, i don't understand this last point - linked in ssl? 1219055;1438314849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74500 @ 0.00052244 = 38.9218 BTC [-] {6} 1219056;1438314852;asciilifeform;coderwill: made use of 'openssl' 1219057;1438314864;asciilifeform;decimation: see thread 1219058;1438314890;coderwill;asciilifeform: ah, kk 1219059;1438314948;decimation;oh, 'power point slides'? 1219060;1438314965;decimation;wtf how is that proof of anything re: tor? 1219061;1438314984;asciilifeform;iirc it was a snowdenism 1219062;1438315019;decimation;it looks to me that they are whining about tor because it makes their job harder 1219063;1438315052;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu << i had no idea that there even was a 'majorana ran off to ar' theory! >> http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/05/the-physicist-who-vanished-the-strange-fate-of-ettore-majorana 1219064;1438315055;assbot;The Physicist Who Vanished: The Strange Fate of Ettore Majorana | Mysterious Universe ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEvRh2 ) 1219065;1438315055;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1219066;1438315079;asciilifeform;^ mega-physicist, possibly the top mind in the subject in entire 20th c., vanished, also famously, under odd circumstances 1219067;1438315154;asciilifeform;'I left to Venezuela because of disagreements with my father in April 1955. Once in Caracas, I went to Valencia with Ciro, a Sicilian friend, who presented me to a Mr. Bini. I connected Bini to Majorana thanks to Carlo, an Argentinian. He said Do you realize who that guy is ? Hes a scientist. Hes got a brain you cant imagine. He is mr. Majorana. They had met in Argentina. He was of average height, with white hai 1219068;1438315154;asciilifeform;r, few and wavy. The white hair of a man who was once black-haired. One could see it from the fact that he wore his watch over his shirt, so to wash his hands he opened his sleeves and black hair could be seen. He was shy, often silent, and if you invited him to a night club he wouldnt come. He might have been 50-55 years old. He had a roman accent but one could see he was not. One could also see he was well-learned. He loo 1219069;1438315155;asciilifeform;ked like a prince. I sometimes told him What the hell do you live for ? You are always sad. He said he worked, we dined together, then he would disappear for 10-15 days. He had a yellow Studebacker. He only paid for the gas, otherwise he looked always penniless. Sometimes I used to tell him You care so much for this car and have all these papers. These were sheets with numbers and commas, bars. He never wanted to b 1219070;1438315160;asciilifeform;e photographed, and since I once had to lend him 150 bolivars, I sort of blackmailed him, I asked him to get a picture of him to send it to my family. He was shorter than I was. When I found the picture I decided to speak, otherwise it was useless for me to say I had known Majorana.' 1219071;1438315240;asciilifeform;went perelman. 1219072;1438315762;decimation;heh sounds like it 1219073;1438315770;decimation;except where is his mother's pension? 1219074;1438316557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18121 @ 0.00054132 = 9.8093 BTC [+] {4} 1219075;1438316618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62779 @ 0.00054565 = 34.2554 BTC [+] {4} 1219076;1438316801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00052244 = 63.3459 BTC [-] 1219077;1438317376;BingoBoingo;Oh, a new qntra critic http://qntra.net/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-is-a-pretext-for-expanding-extraterritoriality-of-us-law/#comment-36023 1219078;1438317377;assbot;Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0HBNi ) 1219079;1438317753;BingoBoingo;Some lols http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/from-distribution-to-project << "NetBSD changed its name to OpenBSD to reflect a new focus on desktop computing." 1219080;1438317754;assbot;from distribution to project ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0HMrW ) 1219081;1438317983;punkman;"One of the first things I did after installing OpenBSD back in the day was set up a 6bone tunnel and ping6 all three other IPv6 sites out there. I was living in the future. Fifteen years later, and well... Fuck IPv6." 1219082;1438318509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00054643 = 3.2786 BTC [+] 1219083;1438319306;BingoBoingo;Mega lol https://archive.is/6hOHJ 1219084;1438319307;assbot;'What lion?' Zimbabweans ask, amid global Cecil circus | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcaEap ) 1219085;1438319357;BingoBoingo;Also note Reuters includes that the dentist used a bow and arrow. 1219086;1438319413;punkman;badass dentist? 1219087;1438319535;decimation;eh, the anti-gunners know they can stir up some shit with this kind of story 1219088;1438319615;BingoBoingo;I actually didn't know he used a bow until minutes ago. I thought he would have used one of those exotic African calibers .300-.460 with a name attached like Weatherby or Tyranosaurus. I am impressed. 1219089;1438319642;BingoBoingo;punkman: Far more badass than my dentist brother. 1219090;1438319829;punkman;he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office 1219091;1438319961;decimation;what if instead of lions he hunted eastern shit beetles? 1219092;1438319981;decimation;nobody would give a fuck 1219093;1438320143;decimation;asciilifeform: re: radiothermal generators> the new hotness is to use...stirling engine! https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/rps/asrg.cfm 1219094;1438320146;assbot;Radioisotope Power Systems: Stirling Converter Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1LUf6zf ) 1219095;1438320196;BingoBoingo;decimation: He would give a fuck. I have to imagine one hunts lions in part for the danger. 1219096;1438320278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00053528 = 43.4112 BTC [-] {3} 1219097;1438320385;decimation;sure, he would, not rest of world media 1219098;1438321356;*;BingoBoingo contemplating AMD A4-5000 machine as upgrade or complement to AMD 350 machine... 1219099;1438321434;*;BingoBoingo not sure preformance boost would be enough to make a difference 1219100;1438322477;mats;20:25:57 <+asciilifeform> mats: down to business - what's your position on the 'july plot' men ? << no opinion rly 1219101;1438322630;mats;coderwill: it is an open secret that Tor is broken 1219102;1438324122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00054801 = 21.482 BTC [+] {5} 1219103;1438324485;BingoBoingo;!up cazalla 1219104;1438324518;cazalla;thanks BingoBoingo, so nice to finally sit down on a friday arvo 1219105;1438324546;BingoBoingo;yeah 1219106;1438324559;BingoBoingo;Though here is is Just after midnight Friday morning 1219107;1438324630;punkman;http://citizen-ex.com/stories/io 1219108;1438324631;assbot;The story of .io | Citizen Ex ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxPzwl ) 1219109;1438326135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.00053566 = 55.2801 BTC [-] 1219110;1438326806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12109 @ 0.00053566 = 6.4863 BTC [-] 1219111;1438327599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58396 @ 0.00054257 = 31.6839 BTC [+] {2} 1219112;1438327843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9559 @ 0.00055381 = 5.2939 BTC [+] {2} 1219113;1438328209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00055382 = 3.2675 BTC [+] 1219114;1438329002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00052915 = 29.8441 BTC [-] {2} 1219115;1438329147;cazalla;;;later tell mike_c a belated grats on the birth of your daughter 1219116;1438329147;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1219117;1438329857;shinohai;;;ticker 1219118;1438329858;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 283.81, Best ask: 283.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 283.79, 24 hour volume: 17439.70338798, 24 hour low: 282.0, 24 hour high: 289.85, 24 hour vwap: None 1219119;1438330588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00055382 = 22.3189 BTC [+] 1219120;1438330832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00055382 = 32.5092 BTC [+] 1219121;1438331381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00052264 = 18.3969 BTC [-] {2} 1219122;1438332113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50338 @ 0.0005218 = 26.2664 BTC [-] {3} 1219123;1438332479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00055097 = 40.9922 BTC [+] 1219124;1438332599;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f8fke/cointelegraph_plagiarizing_from_rbitcoin/ <<< Because 99% of crypto "news" is horseshit 1219125;1438332601;assbot;Cointelegraph plagiarizing from r/bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SmWjlC ) 1219126;1438333760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29383 @ 0.00055285 = 16.2444 BTC [+] {2} 1219127;1438333821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16829 @ 0.00055381 = 9.3201 BTC [+] {2} 1219128;1438334309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62997 @ 0.00055086 = 34.7025 BTC [-] {3} 1219129;1438334797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00055382 = 15.3685 BTC [+] 1219130;1438334862;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218892 mkay 1219131;1438334862;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 00:53:05; asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov would you please consider getting rid of the PILE OF SHIT appended to the filenames ? 1219132;1438335096;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218903 as patch processing is part of scrubbing, easiest would be to just turn everything off and keep just ordinary mailing list 1219133;1438335096;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 00:56:50; trinque: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-July/066638.html 1219134;1438335149;jurov;as i can't get it to work and nobody's using it, maybe that would be for the best 1219135;1438335244;jurov;plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published 1219136;1438335254;jurov;win-win scenario 1219137;1438335471;punkman;does it let html emails through? 1219138;1438335545;jurov;emails are let through mostly unchanged. we're talikng about archives 1219139;1438335814;shinohai;I'm sure you'll get it fixed jurov 1219140;1438336253;jurov;eventually. 1219141;1438336347;shinohai;Same with me with this cross-compilation shit. I just got to take a breather and keep researching, eventually I'll get it. 1219142;1438336993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71305 @ 0.00053256 = 37.9742 BTC [-] 1219143;1438339006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00052308 = 15.3262 BTC [-] {2} 1219144;1438339494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49216 @ 0.00054811 = 26.9758 BTC [+] {3} 1219145;1438342511;Adlai;!up deedbot- 1219146;1438342530;Adlai;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1A03N6Q.txt 1219147;1438342531;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBsASg ) 1219148;1438342535;Adlai;deedbot-:http://dpaste.com/1A03N6Q.txt 1219149;1438342537;deedbot-;imported: FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9 1219150;1438342554;Adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0BC64N4.txt 1219151;1438342555;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBsGJy ) 1219152;1438342556;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1219153;1438344240;punkman;Adlai: does the rocket fly? 1219154;1438346204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1322 @ 0.00111 = 1.4674 BTC 1219155;1438346570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60150 @ 0.00052117 = 31.3484 BTC [-] {3} 1219156;1438346659;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218371 << you never asked, but yes if you do not believe the entire Bible you will be destroyed for eternity in the lake of fire 1219157;1438346659;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 18:39:51; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218302 <<< I'll make an exception in your case danielpbarron, because not once have you told me "shinohai, you gonna FRY!" 1219158;1438346742;shinohai;At the very least, I have not cursed God one time in all my failures with this pogo danielpbarron, so maybe there is hope for me yet. 1219159;1438346755;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218382 << they are hypocrites. The Bible explicitly says to not pray in public. (Matthew 6:5) 1219160;1438346755;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 19:09:50; shinohai: trinque: I do regularly mumble prayers in public to Satan, when fundamentalists ruin my meal by trying to pray loudly over their food for 30 minutes. 1219161;1438346840;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218391 << 7-year-old-me would have said "don't kill me!" so... 1219162;1438346840;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 19:12:18; mircea_popescu: * danielpbarron too << maybe solution then is ask 7 yo kid if they should be killed and do the opposite. 1219163;1438346857;shinohai;I have read the Bible many times and have come to the conclusion that the majority of "Christians" I have met or seen are decidedly un-Christlike. 1219164;1438346868;danielpbarron;yes, same here. 1219165;1438346875;danielpbarron;and that is a correct observation 1219166;1438346887;danielpbarron;and it is perfectly in-line with the predictions of The Bible 1219167;1438346901;shinohai;Also, Luke 17:2 1219168;1438346906;danielpbarron;Jesus Himself wondered if there would be anyone who believes when He returns 1219169;1438346977;danielpbarron;ya, false teachers are the most despicable people on earth 1219170;1438346997;kakobrekla;nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill. 1219171;1438347187;shinohai;I believe if you are going to follow a faith, you can't just pick and choose the parts that sound cherry to you. 1219172;1438347218;danielpbarron;i guess that's not too far off from my own experience, in that I did not choose to believe, although the way I see it is that God made me well and it's all the non-believers who are still ill 1219173;1438347224;shinohai;I'd rather say "I'm an atheist" and be wrong, than be one of the hypocrites danielpbarron describes. 1219174;1438347256;danielpbarron;"atheist" probably have better chances of being saved than most self-described christians 1219175;1438347317;jurov;shinohai how can you ever choose a faith otherwise? 1219176;1438347350;jurov;if you are convinced that you're despicable scum and choose a faith that says so.. then you cherrypicked too 1219177;1438347377;shinohai;If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches. 1219178;1438347417;shinohai;Free will seems like an excuse, like God is setting you up for failure. 1219179;1438347417;danielpbarron;^ ++ 1219180;1438347425;jurov;you still need to decide when He talks to you and when not 1219181;1438347431;danielpbarron;the concept of "free will" has no foundation in The Bible 1219182;1438347442;danielpbarron;God causes all things, both good and evil 1219183;1438347451;danielpbarron;(Isaiah 45:7) 1219184;1438347548;shinohai;If that is true, then does that mean God is equal part Satan as well? I don't follow. 1219185;1438347588;danielpbarron;satan is not nearly as big of a deal as most people are lead to believe 1219186;1438347615;kakobrekla;l0l 1219187;1438347647;danielpbarron;God causes satan (and everyone else for that matter) to do what he does, and satan will too be destroyed in the lake of fire 1219188;1438347664;danielpbarron;not rule it 1219189;1438347680;shinohai;That is predestination, no? 1219190;1438347693;danielpbarron;sure 1219191;1438347704;danielpbarron;yay eulora is back up! 1219192;1438347730;shinohai;So if god already knows I am evil and he is going to send me to hell, what is the point of even trying? 1219193;1438347735;jurov;so everything is just a big puppet show? 1219194;1438347751;danielpbarron;not just knows but actually created you for the purpose of being that way 1219195;1438347760;jurov;A new commandment I give upon thee: lean back and enjoy! 1219196;1438347771;kakobrekla;eh please, even Exaybachay has better stories than that. 1219197;1438347839;shinohai;I'm not interested in being a pawn in some celestial chess match, tbh. 1219198;1438347877;danielpbarron;right, The Bible says fear nothing but God. It's relaxing to believe because no longer do you have to worry about each and every hyped up "terrorism" that people try to sell 1219199;1438347910;kakobrekla;you know the bible has the credibility of the santa story 1219200;1438347922;danielpbarron;i hate the santa story 1219201;1438347929;shinohai;To me, it was a relief to say "idgaf" about it all anymore. 1219202;1438347933;kakobrekla;on pair with your book. 1219203;1438347936;danielpbarron;i recently told a friend's 5 year old son that anyone who tries to tell him about santa is a liar 1219204;1438347949;kakobrekla;well, could be just sick. 1219205;1438348044;jurov;kakobrekla: God caused you to :) 1219206;1438348060;shinohai;I also can't believe that throughout 2000+ years of Christianity's existence that some unknown "non-denomination" comes along and finally gets it right, 1219207;1438348077;shinohai;right here in good 'ol 'murica 1219208;1438348095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00053764 = 10.1614 BTC [+] 1219209;1438348108;shinohai;Because Jesus was obviously a homophobic, racist, bigot right? 1219210;1438348253;shinohai;The Jesus that is portrayed in the gospels seems the polar opposite of all that is preached now. 1219211;1438348493;danielpbarron;Jesus is the same God as the one in the old testament 1219212;1438348564;danielpbarron;and He isn't afraid of homosexuals as the suffix "phobic" implies 1219213;1438348615;danielpbarron;and there may very well have been true churches along the way from 2000 years ago to today, I just don't know about them 1219214;1438348652;danielpbarron;not surprising that they are unknown, as scripture informs us that the world will hate the truth 1219215;1438348685;shinohai;Surely God's ego can handle different ways of approaching him. 1219216;1438348801;shinohai;Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead. 1219217;1438348912;davout;shinohai: he is already frying in hell 1219218;1438348919;shinohai;xD 1219219;1438348989;davout;"Those who believe there is a difference between nirvana and samsara, are already in samsara" 1219220;1438349050;kakobrekla;the world will hate the truth < what every liar said too. 1219221;1438349090;kakobrekla;thats the first thing you establish before telling lies. 1219222;1438349098;davout;does reddit haet? yes? then it's probably true 1219223;1438349143;kakobrekla;does ba haet? yes? then its probably true. 1219224;1438349158;davout;heh 1219225;1438349208;davout;we should migrate to #bitcoin-asshaet 1219226;1438349332;danielpbarron;well the fact that i'm not banned from here yet is a good sign for you guys 1219227;1438349393;davout;every king has its fool 1219228;1438349416;davout;and i have to say i'm amused :D 1219229;1438349431;shinohai;danielpbarron: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. I have plenty of Xstian friends. 1219230;1438349466;danielpbarron;lol no it's the "christians" who ban me 1219231;1438349485;danielpbarron;there was a channel on efnet i used to hang out in way back when i was still atheist 1219232;1438349498;danielpbarron;earlier this year they effectively banned me for telling people they were going to hell 1219233;1438349553;danielpbarron;particularly one of the other regulars there, a practitioner of modern judaism 1219234;1438349571;kakobrekla;I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does. 1219235;1438349612;shinohai;Well I could certainly phrase it better kakobrekla. My brain is rather fried atm. 1219236;1438349673;kakobrekla;its not about phrasing, its about meaning. 1219237;1438350316;decimation;danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them? 1219238;1438350358;decimation;kakobrekla: why are religious people any more ill for holding a conviction about the supernatural than atheists - who hold similar convictions? 1219239;1438350437;kakobrekla;decimation note that im speaking of 'religious' and not 'spiritual'. i think that answers your question. 1219240;1438350566;decimation;not in the least. how do you distinguish? 1219241;1438350681;kakobrekla;example: i dont know exactly what consciousness is, but i am not going to go believing santa didit and act like a psychopath in that name. 1219242;1438350909;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << tank is empty and is to be refilled this weekend. anyone who wants to test a key - now's the time. 1219243;1438351366;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved. 1219244;1438351366;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1219245;1438351552;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, http://dpaste.com/1MEA7DD 1219246;1438351554;assbot;dpaste: 1MEA7DD: therealbitcoin on dulap since 7/5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LUNeLx ) 1219247;1438351584;asciilifeform;^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas. 1219248;1438351600;asciilifeform;ain't mempool either. 1219249;1438351629;asciilifeform;(though mempool is probably the mechanism for said leak) 1219250;1438351644;asciilifeform;desperately need formal introspection knobs for mempool. 1219251;1438351826;decimation;asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port? 1219252;1438351853;asciilifeform;decimation: you can do just about anything this way on recent kernels 1219253;1438351871;decimation;very handy for piping to remote machine 1219254;1438351889;asciilifeform;i like 'netcat' 1219255;1438351897;decimation;yeah, but it is quirky 1219256;1438351911;decimation;I wish it had built-in rate limiting for example - and packet size 1219257;1438351933;decimation;I also found a utility called 'pipe viewer' (pv) that rate-limits pipes - handy for both of the above tools 1219258;1438351952;decimation;here http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml 1219259;1438351953;assbot;ivarch.com: Pipe Viewer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcaK9I ) 1219260;1438351989;decimation;one could almost shell-script your udp verifier 1219261;1438351999;asciilifeform;mno 1219262;1438352002;asciilifeform;gotta work at line speed 1219263;1438352007;asciilifeform;with no heap usage. 1219264;1438352009;asciilifeform;this is key. 1219265;1438352010;decimation;well, yeah. except for that part 1219266;1438352037;decimation;why not a fixed amount of heap? 1219267;1438352074;asciilifeform;because fragging 1219268;1438352100;asciilifeform;otherwise it doesn't matter where you put the buffer, so long as it gets used, whole, for every decode, with no further allocatory shenanigans 1219269;1438352120;decimation;pratically speaking it is best to keep the whole footprint smaller than the L3 cache on your cpu 1219270;1438352124;asciilifeform;l0. 1219271;1438352182;asciilifeform;incidentally, if one is optimizing for max performance on tiny data set, on an x86 pc, it is worth considering 'cache as ram mode' 1219272;1438352189;asciilifeform;which cpu powers up in, when loading bios 1219273;1438352219;asciilifeform;this is only even theoretically usable for own code if you have a ~real~ (that is, amd, and 'coreboot'able) machine 1219274;1438352223;decimation;I should think rsa would fit in 8mb 1219275;1438352227;asciilifeform;easily 8kb 1219276;1438352232;asciilifeform;depending on key length 1219277;1438352235;decimation;aye 1219278;1438352241;decimation;thus, stack 1219279;1438352245;asciilifeform;aha. 1219280;1438352269;asciilifeform;folks dealing with mircea_popescu-style packet filtration problems and similar operations really ought to consider it. 1219281;1438352277;decimation;if a multicore machine, no reason why not a single io controller and multiple checker threads 1219282;1438352284;decimation;but I doubt it is even needed for 1gb pipe 1219283;1438352304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 10000 @ 0.00111 = 11.1 BTC 1219284;1438352312;asciilifeform;decimation: the only hitch is that modern nics appear to demand ram access 1219285;1438352326;asciilifeform;(they walk ring buffer when tx-ing or rx-ing frames) 1219286;1438352326;decimation;yes, not only that but multi-core interrupts too 1219287;1438352334;asciilifeform;nah interrupts are optional 1219288;1438352367;decimation;ideally you would want promiscuous mode 1219289;1438352379;asciilifeform;why? 1219290;1438352407;decimation;so you wouldn't even need to restrict yourself to a single ip 1219291;1438352437;asciilifeform;what is the point of omitting this basic - and free - filter ? 1219292;1438352462;decimation;it would only be helpful if you could install 'upstream' on a big isp network 1219293;1438352488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00053764 = 9.1399 BTC [+] 1219294;1438352520;asciilifeform;eh, those have proper asics, afaik 1219295;1438352529;asciilifeform;built for the job 1219296;1438352540;decimation;yes the switches do, but generally the switch also has 'monitor port' 1219297;1438352553;asciilifeform;re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line 1219298;1438352577;decimation;yes, it seems his requirements are well within the capabilities of pedestrian switches/routers 1219299;1438352651;asciilifeform;go try and ddos a tier 1. 1219300;1438352829;asciilifeform;i expect him to answer that he didn't buy it for the same reason he won't buy a 'boeing'. 1219301;1438352860;asciilifeform;but if, like or not, you transport a herd of elephants every friday, buying the 'boeing' may be a logical choice 1219302;1438352901;decimation;yeah, would have to spend $10k-100k on router 1219303;1438352949;decimation;cisco 3945e claims to handle 3mpps (64byte) for instance, can be had on ebay for 5-10k 1219304;1438352962;decimation;and yes, I realize we all hate cisco 1219305;1438352990;asciilifeform;i think he'd rather move the packets with pencil and paper than so much as look at a 'cisco' 1219306;1438353084;decimation;fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k 1219307;1438353089;decimation;does 65 mpps 1219308;1438353127;danielpbarron;decimation> danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? << someone who believes in old testament stuff and not new testament. And yeah they also have some other books they add to scripture like the "oral tradition" 1219309;1438353159;decimation;yes, 'tanakh' 1219310;1438353316;danielpbarron;I hesitate to call them "Jews" because you don't have to be blood-line to practice judaism, and Christians are the true Jews 1219311;1438354073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00052051 = 25.7132 BTC [-] {2} 1219312;1438354256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC 1219313;1438354423;decimation;danielpbarron: yes, agreed 1219314;1438354431;decimation;asciilifeform: http://wtop.com/dc/2015/07/streets-closed-as-police-investigate-vehicle-crash-into-capitol-barricade/ < dc lulz for the day 1219315;1438354432;assbot;Police investigate car crash into Capitol barricade - WTOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfhY8o ) 1219316;1438354890;mircea_popescu; Sent 57 minutes ago: dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going. 1219317;1438355229;shinohai;asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node? 1219318;1438355251;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218822 << and why shouldn't they. as long as there's idiots with excess fat... 1219319;1438355251;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 22:05:10; shinohai: I think I read somewhere that failed "social currency" reddcoin 's lead developer quit, after squandering all their IPCO funds, and now they are going to attempt round two. 1219320;1438355271;mircea_popescu;shinohai something on a 100mbit pipe i imagine he means 1219321;1438355297;shinohai;mkay. 1219322;1438355347;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218827 << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy. 1219323;1438355347;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 22:06:27; ascii_field: no 'css' on that www ! 1219324;1438355354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC 1219325;1438355409;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218839 << it's funny how this shit works. "malleability" might be responsible. us agents might be responsible. santa claus might be responsible. not the fat fuck and his various friends throughout the redditard community. 1219326;1438355409;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 22:35:30; trinque: holy shit, at least he said it aloud 1219327;1438355719;mircea_popescu;exclusive content! gawker emergency editorial board meeting! http://36.media.tumblr.com/e1083b389c52b063e11a98d14e8ab83b/tumblr_n2fdsz8wxt1qesz2lo1_1280.jpg 1219328;1438355721;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfleki ) 1219329;1438355783;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218908 << atm i doubt they actually exist 1219330;1438355783;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 01:09:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know 1219331;1438355787;mircea_popescu;bfl miners 1219332;1438355814;mircea_popescu;some Luke-Jr somewhere swore he "was delivered" and the fishwrappers echoed the unverified, unsubstantial claim is all. 1219333;1438355818;mircea_popescu;maybe in a decade or w/e. 1219334;1438355945;mircea_popescu;"Although Wikileaks first publicized the emails in 2012, they did not release all of them until two years later." << lmao wut, rly ?! 1219335;1438355986;mircea_popescu;;;google Stratfor lolololor 1219336;1438355987;gribble;Stratfor lolololor. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; December 2011 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Breaking News on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: 1219337;1438355992;mircea_popescu;more like 2011 but whatever. 1219338;1438356031;mircea_popescu;dude how the fuck does this braindamaged fucktarded generation work, already. 1219339;1438356037;mircea_popescu;waht 2012! what two years later! 1219340;1438356043;mircea_popescu;i'm not THAT elite already. 1219341;1438356145;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218934 << check it out, linux might catch up with fucking ms-dos on its next release. 1219342;1438356145;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 01:22:26; asciilifeform: i.e. if you built it and it ended up sitting down in /home/luser/a/b/d/e/f/g/p/q/r/s, it will stay there. or rebuild WHOLE THING again. 1219343;1438356146;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1219344;1438356228;mike_c;cazalla: belated thanks! 1219345;1438356363;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218967 << this is a good point. labour costs are not a problem per se - they're set as policy lever (and more effectiuve at controlling wage strucure in the us than any sort of law) 1219346;1438356363;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 02:33:54; BingoBoingo: So long as McDonalds has few corporate stores they have to staff and having staff at all is largely a franchisee problem McDonalds will automate for consistency (i.e. robogrill) instead of doing so to purely reduce labor. 1219347;1438356397;mircea_popescu;by now usg painted itself in the very sad corner where it has to provide housing for free and does the whole ration meal thing via mcd. all the drawbacks of centrally planned, scarcely any of the benefits. 1219348;1438356421;mircea_popescu;(on paper they should get the major benefit of blame deflection, but in practice it dun work, everyone bames washington anyway) 1219349;1438356457;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218970 << word. 1219350;1438356457;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at. 1219351;1438356489;mircea_popescu;also useful for forced public nudity social experiments etc. 1219352;1438356624;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218982 << i don't generally think much of the derponymous. others don't care. 1219353;1438356624;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 03:06:06; coderwill: Ah, thanks for the background - that's really interesting. I myself am thinking about a new project, and was wondering if in this day and age it is a disadvantage to attach a real-life identify to the Internet. 1219354;1438356663;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218987 << zing, mats. now what ? gonna backtrack on it ? 1219355;1438356663;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 03:12:24; BingoBoingo: mats: I'm still out on bond... as I have been since May 2013 1219356;1438356770;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218993 << latter is pretty persuasive. 1219357;1438356770;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 03:17:35; decimation: either he was a brilliant ru spy, or he was a self-appointed reddit internet policeman 1219358;1438356887;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219013 << the usg has a problem with its millenarist, one-world approach, which is stepping on everyone's toes. 1219359;1438356887;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 03:24:40; decimation: now, I do think usg has a real problem with its 'secret services' running amock, making a mess of things, and generally being completely untransparent to anybody 1219360;1438356901;mats;nah, still dramatic. 1219361;1438356918;mircea_popescu;if it came to terms with the fact that they're in charge of a population of shitheads in a poorly developed country barely hanging on to the first world, with decaying infrastructure they can't upkeep etc, 1219362;1438356940;mircea_popescu;they'd prolly fade off the hate radar and we could all move on to hate putin and the chinese hydra like god meant it. 1219363;1438357063;mircea_popescu;problem is that the last people who could think retired in the late 80s, and the leftover idiots will not yield until trampled. so they'll get trampled, short detour, we move on to hating ru and cn in 2030. 1219364;1438357103;shinohai;Anyone here ever tried this? http://www.alandia.de/absinthe/product_info.php/language/en/info/p1001_Absinthe-of-the-Month--ALANDIA-Suisse-La-Bleue.html 1219365;1438357106;assbot;BUY ONLINE || Absinthe of the Month: ALANDIA Suisse La Bleue AOM07 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfo34T ) 1219366;1438357106;*;mircea_popescu checks his pre-printed macro sociopolitics calendar 1219367;1438357108;mircea_popescu;mmyeah, something like that. 1219368;1438357254;mircea_popescu;"The aim of this mail is to let you know that, according to default, your bank account has been put on credit hold status, and will remain so until your balance will be completely liquidated. Your attention to this matter is sorely encouraged." 1219369;1438357256;mircea_popescu;words!!!1 1219370;1438357370;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219025 << you're going the wrong way in time. 1219371;1438357370;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 03:29:11; asciilifeform: point is that 'heroes hang when traitors triumph' (tm) (r) 1219372;1438357478;mircea_popescu;way i read this sort of stuff from you is like so : "stoicism is important for one's balance" ; "the stoic position is 'heroes hang when traitors triumph'" ergo "i will look through time and retroactively call traitors those who succeed and heros those who fail, irrespective of how derps generally fail and competent people are rarely unimpeachable, because i really have no other ways and means to maintain balance so i' 1219373;1438357478;mircea_popescu;m stuck with this pile of insanity" 1219374;1438357540;mircea_popescu;the main problem with this syllogism is, perhaps counterintuitively, its tail. 1219375;1438357551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.0005204 = 29.4546 BTC [-] {2} 1219376;1438357557;mircea_popescu;there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history" 1219377;1438357663;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219028 << we can't so discount. 1219378;1438357663;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 03:31:00; asciilifeform: the total war against honest history is a specifically 20th c. thing (if we discount chinese and egyptian monarchs who were deeply into rewriting the books) 1219379;1438357673;mircea_popescu;les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business. 1219380;1438357683;mircea_popescu;the business model of wikipedia is ~exactly~ the same 1219381;1438357699;mircea_popescu;everyone at all points in time and space was hard at work at making it impossible to write a history he doesn't wanna hear. 1219382;1438357703;mircea_popescu;this includes bacteriums. 1219383;1438357886;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219051 << amusingly, mike hearn's attempt to do the exact same for bitcoin at the exact same time ALSO seems to be a secret only we know. 1219384;1438357886;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 03:53:10; asciilifeform: coderwill: on top of the thousand and one other sins, tor linked in ssl at the height of 'heartbleed' - something which pretty much nobody is speaking of today 1219385;1438357923;mircea_popescu;they're going through the good dev bad dev routine on reddit, somehow none of them seem to remember where the actual ammo is stored. 1219386;1438357936;mircea_popescu;herpitty-derp and a bottle of "thank you for all your hard work". 1219387;1438357946;mircea_popescu;;;google multumim din inima partidului 1219388;1438357947;gribble;Multumim din Inima Partidului - Cintece Patriotice - Epoca de Aur ...: ; Multumim din Inima Partidului - PCR - YouTube: ; Corul de copii radio-Multumim din inima partidului - YouTube: 1219389;1438357963;mircea_popescu;!up ShawnLeary 1219390;1438358025;mircea_popescu;looking forward to all the reddit threadsa going "thank you mp for bashing hearn's head right before hearn managed that one". 1219391;1438358100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00052768 = 14.8014 BTC [+] 1219392;1438358277;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219090 << i'd pay per view. 1219393;1438358277;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 05:17:09; punkman: he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office 1219394;1438358354;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219135 << why so bitter lol. 1219395;1438358354;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published 1219396;1438358524;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219161 << there's no wai out with you people is there. 1219397;1438358524;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 12:47:20; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218391 << 7-year-old-me would have said "don't kill me!" so... 1219398;1438358531;mircea_popescu;what the fuck cult is this with such diversity. 1219399;1438358557;*;mircea_popescu adds "cult doesn't work" to the ever-lengthy-er list with "linux doesn't work and gcc doesn't compile" on it. 1219400;1438358733;mircea_popescu;actually this may well be how to know you live at the dawn of a civilisation. shit doesn't work and you imagine this to be an exceptional, remarkable, worrisome thing. 1219401;1438358785;mircea_popescu;or in other words the advantage of non-orphans is that they have parents to blame. 1219402;1438358865;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219170 << culture, generally. observation as ancient as the original cro-magnon / neanderthal divide. N the Ist famously made it, and look where it got him! 1219403;1438358865;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 12:49:57; kakobrekla: nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill. 1219404;1438358969;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219177 << the conflict there's purely rhetoric. in the much more comprehensible slave-master dynamic, it's still teh master that chooses the slavegirl. the perceived challenges to free choice this brings are purely imagined by the perceiver. 1219405;1438358969;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 12:56:17; shinohai: If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches. 1219406;1438359162;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219216 << java people are certainly going to fry. 1219407;1438359162;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 13:20:01; shinohai: Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead. 1219408;1438359256;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219234 << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone. 1219409;1438359256;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 13:32:51; kakobrekla: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does. 1219410;1438359270;mircea_popescu;google staten island and for that matter recent suspension of flights to africa. 1219411;1438359706;shinohai;I could never wrap my head around java at all. 1219412;1438360418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89556 @ 0.00052078 = 46.639 BTC [-] {5} 1219413;1438360479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221292 @ 0.00051452 = 113.8592 BTC [-] {6} 1219414;1438360767;ben_vulpes; boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered. << have seen, wrestled this beast, multiply 1219415;1438360827;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1219416;1438360897;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219316 << hanbot, what are the remaining issues? 1219417;1438360897;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 15:01:30; mircea_popescu: Sent 57 minutes ago: dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going. 1219418;1438360910;mats;http://pastebin.com/PT8yQgky 1219419;1438360911;assbot;www.generalbundesanwalt.de FULL SQL DUMP - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXLgsg ) 1219420;1438360931;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219317 << 100Mb+, colocated 1219421;1438360931;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 15:07:09; shinohai: asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node? 1219422;1438360965;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219322 << handwritten. like his asm. the whole site and product is a thing of beauty. 1219423;1438360965;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 15:09:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218827 << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy. 1219424;1438360999;mats;previous link re: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976043 1219425;1438361000;assbot;“Suspicion of treason”: German attorney general investigates journalists | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXLsaV ) 1219426;1438361016;mats;AG gets breached 1219427;1438361075;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219379 << on reflection, mircea_popescu is right. but 20th c. tech ~does~ make a difference, we are not living in the age of diderot et al 1219428;1438361075;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 15:47:53; mircea_popescu: les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business. 1219429;1438361469;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219376 << such as ... ? 1219430;1438361469;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 15:45:57; mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history" 1219431;1438361516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32822 @ 0.00054676 = 17.9458 BTC [+] {2} 1219432;1438361523;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219395 << i still don't see how this is supposed to work. if signed by l1 - gets posted. otherwise - not. 1219433;1438361523;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 15:59:14; assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published 1219434;1438361859;jurov;ascii_field: it only checks whether it has clearsigned text somewhere 1219435;1438361941;trinque;decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port? 1219436;1438361944;trinque;decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port? 1219437;1438361953;trinque;decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port? 1219438;1438361985;ascii_field;trinque needs new keyboard ? 1219439;1438362006;jurov;attachments are not filtered depending on whether they have a sig or not 1219440;1438362007;trinque;decimation: I believe /dev/udp and /dev/tcp are bashisms which do not actually exist as a device node 1219441;1438362007;ascii_field;jurov: gotta only post the signed bits 1219442;1438362014;trinque;ah fuck 1219443;1438362025;trinque;well there you go, in triplicate 1219444;1438362051;ascii_field;jurov: and it isn't true that 'no one uses' turdatron. ~i~ use. 1219445;1438362057;ascii_field;(hence why i bitch about it nonstop!) 1219446;1438362087;jurov;ascii_field: yes that calls for enhancing the scrubber not for removing it as trinque said 1219447;1438362109;ascii_field;i've no issue with the scrubber, only the filename mutilator 1219448;1438362290;mircea_popescu;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/12/germany_drops_investigation_into_nsa_hacking_merkels_phone/ to go with that 1219449;1438362291;assbot;Germany drops probe into NSA's Merkel phone-hacking • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXNEiV ) 1219450;1438362341;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what difference does it make ? technology pointedly makes no social difference, as per http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/#selection-201.223-209.0 1219451;1438362342;assbot;Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXNHv6 ) 1219452;1438362398;mircea_popescu;ascii_field [...] such as ? << been thinking of a usable packaging for your convenience since i said that. 1219453;1438362471;mircea_popescu;jurov why the fuck would it publish anything whatsoever other than what l1 people signed is beyond me. 1219454;1438362483;mircea_popescu;what is this, equality welfare world ? 1219455;1438362496;ascii_field;^ 1219456;1438362550;jurov;well, cuz it processes only one attachment at a time and i'm too lazy to redo it to consider signatures 1219457;1438362611;mircea_popescu;yeah but... 1219458;1438362655;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219237 << took the socialism part out of it, threw out the rest, are good libertards. 1219459;1438362655;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 13:45:16; decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them? 1219460;1438362745;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219247 << shit that looks like the all-elusive last leak (tm) 1219461;1438362745;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 14:06:24; asciilifeform: ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas. 1219462;1438362794;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1219463;1438362798;ascii_field;next-to-last 1219464;1438362810;ascii_field;(last is the one where each new block perma-swallows 300 byte of ram) 1219465;1438362851;mircea_popescu;nah, that one we know 1219466;1438362857;mircea_popescu;there is one we don't know. 1219467;1438362868;mircea_popescu;i guess you're right huh. next to last, worst. 1219468;1438362871;ascii_field;hence next-to-last. 1219469;1438362889;mircea_popescu;hopefully it actually is one. 1219470;1438362904;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: btw, is there any reason we oughtn't shoot any tx that's hung around in mempool for more than a few days ? 1219471;1438362916;mircea_popescu;i'll feel like having a lava lamp taken out of my asshole once this can finally be said. "no leaks!" 1219472;1438362934;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeh. they could be legit. you don't wanna assume about the pool 1219473;1438362952;ascii_field;'legit' is not a permanent citizenship in my machine ram ! 1219474;1438362962;mircea_popescu;how about two weeks ? 1219475;1438362976;ascii_field;who ever hangs for two weeks waiting for a block ?! 1219476;1438363008;mircea_popescu;hm 1219477;1438363032;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219408 < if someone has herpes simplex let them be, if someone comes here saying stupid shit, that wont fly. 1219478;1438363032;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 16:14:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219234 << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone. 1219479;1438363063;mircea_popescu;word. 1219480;1438363085;mircea_popescu;ascii_field thinking about this... is this the thing that already drops shit txn ? 1219481;1438363119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219297 << what am i, Mr. Buy Everything ? 1219482;1438363119;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 14:22:33; asciilifeform: re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line 1219483;1438363146;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219299 << you somehow opt to neglect the point that this was actually done in practice. 1219484;1438363146;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 14:24:11; asciilifeform: go try and ddos a tier 1. 1219485;1438363150;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes we drop 1219486;1438363160;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: was?! 1219487;1438363161;mircea_popescu;so if we drop how could anything end up 2 weeks old ? 1219488;1438363171;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: we drop ~bastard~ tx 1219489;1438363171;mircea_popescu;seems like an excellent error catcher, you wanna see if anything makes it that late. 1219490;1438363176;mircea_popescu;hence... 1219491;1438363186;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that is, tx without an antecedent block in the machine 1219492;1438363188;mircea_popescu;nono, "tx paying too little per byte compared to others we know" 1219493;1438363217;ascii_field;this, eventually, yes 1219494;1438363238;ascii_field;but i'm not certain why bitcoind must be a long-term flophouse for tx that can't find a block to sit down in for weeks 1219495;1438363256;ascii_field;let the fella who generated it, rebroadcast until it gets in 1219496;1438363259;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219306 << yeah it's pretty good. 1219497;1438363259;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 14:31:24; decimation: fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k 1219498;1438363292;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for many reasons. such as for instance that we could see a situation where enemy controls 80% of hash and refuses to include your txn 1219499;1438363297;mircea_popescu;until someone in the 20% mines, it waits. 1219500;1438363322;mircea_popescu;generally speaking, every restriction is dumb. 1219501;1438363331;mircea_popescu;and as luck usually goes, we wil lcome to regret it. 1219502;1438363363;ascii_field;but why shouldn't it wait on its owner's box ? 1219503;1438363365;ascii_field;why on mine ? 1219504;1438363383;mircea_popescu;you relay. 1219505;1438363394;ascii_field;see, this is a 'fella walks in from the street and gets something for having a pulse' situation 1219506;1438363407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.0005414 = 16.4856 BTC [-] 1219507;1438363420;mircea_popescu;tx passed the test, and is now a tx. should get something for this. 1219508;1438363434;danielpbarron;you'd have to keep the transaction in order to remember to not include it later 1219509;1438363449;mircea_popescu;this is the required balance to this scheme. yes, we kill all idiot children without anyu regard to the ever rising blood level on the floor or the tears of their mothers. 1219510;1438363462;mircea_popescu;but once they made it through that, they can have whatever they want. 1219511;1438363496;ascii_field;they can't have the n bytes when my machine only has K-n to offer ! 1219512;1438363519;ascii_field;we have an elementary situation of not-enough-food-for-the-childrenz 1219513;1438363521;mircea_popescu;which is why the idea is to have X bytes, and then allow tx in according to pay. 1219514;1438363527;ascii_field;but they pay miners 1219515;1438363529;ascii_field;not relay 1219516;1438363530;mircea_popescu;the problem is solved there. no point solving it n other places. 1219517;1438363535;mircea_popescu;yes. yes they do. 1219518;1438363536;ascii_field;relay has to sit, eat the cost of existing 1219519;1438363539;mircea_popescu;we try to make this not be different 1219520;1438363546;mircea_popescu;relay will hopefully be paid by miner. 1219521;1438363552;ascii_field;rly 1219522;1438363556;mircea_popescu;yes rly. 1219523;1438363573;kakobrekla;dragons will enforce it. 1219524;1438363589;punkman;hope doesn't pay server bills 1219525;1438363591;mircea_popescu;the only way relaying as currently deployed may survive is if it somehow ends up in a compact with mining 1219526;1438363591;ascii_field;even if, on some distant tomorrow, we get this jam, 1219527;1438363599;ascii_field;my machine is not a hilbert hotel ! 1219528;1438363606;ascii_field;has FINITE bytes 1219529;1438363614;ascii_field;can't have a monotonic eater of these. 1219530;1438363620;mircea_popescu;ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x. 1219531;1438363628;mircea_popescu;this is where that problem is solved. no point also solving it somewhere else. 1219532;1438363641;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: does this mean that we lose half of all tx ? 1219533;1438363648;ascii_field;and then half of who remains ? 1219534;1438363649;mircea_popescu;whatever % 1219535;1438363650;ascii_field;ad infinitum ? 1219536;1438363654;*;danielpbarron can imagine situations in which full node operators get paid for the service of relaying -- for example, 1) end user pays node to relay his tx and 2) miner pays node to give him the choicest high-fee paying tx's exclusively 1219537;1438363661;mircea_popescu;if you have 8mb and mempool is actually 8gb, you lose 99.9% 1219538;1438363676;ascii_field;so, only do this when cache is full ? 1219539;1438363685;ascii_field;(at present, a node has no notion of 'full') 1219540;1438363689;mircea_popescu;yes. 1219541;1438363709;mircea_popescu;you set 10 bytes aside for "mempool". 1 tx comes, has 2 bytes pays 5. goes in. brings 4 brothers. 1219542;1438363718;mircea_popescu;now cache is full and to get in, either pay 10 per byte or go dangle. 1219543;1438363724;ascii_field;this works. 1219544;1438363731;ascii_field;who wants to implement ? 1219545;1438363732;kakobrekla;and each node has different cache size, brings on a bunch of mess 1219546;1438363734;mircea_popescu;right. 1219547;1438363739;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that mess is good. 1219548;1438363766;mircea_popescu;this thing needs 3 knobs : total ram to be made available to relayer, and min $/byte to accept. 1219549;1438364166;funkenstein_;so where does it go in the TX? is there an OP_ANYONE_CAN_RECEIVE or something for the relayers/mempool operators to put their addy in? 1219550;1438364215;funkenstein_;or maybe best to keep the payment for those services in a separate tx 1219551;1438364235;mircea_popescu;or they could just rent vpn access like anyone ever since forever. 1219552;1438364235;kakobrekla;but then you need another tx to cover for that tx 1219553;1438364237;danielpbarron;you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back 1219554;1438364238;kakobrekla;and another for that tx 1219555;1438364240;kakobrekla;and another 1219556;1438364245;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does everyone imagine the internet = the web is beyond me. 1219557;1438364245;kakobrekla;and .. you know where this goes 1219558;1438364271;funkenstein_;loll, all the way down 1219559;1438364283;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: wai wat, who ? 1219560;1438364284;mircea_popescu;how do you think i buy pipe from tr ? 1219561;1438364310;mircea_popescu;tr=thomson reuters for simplicity. 1219562;1438364321;ascii_field;l0l! 1219563;1438364324;*;ascii_field used to work there 1219564;1438364347;mircea_popescu;good for you. so how did they sell datafeeds ? txn blabla ? 1219565;1438364365;*;ascii_field was not involved with this 1219566;1438364402;mircea_popescu;anyway. it bears insistingly repeating : the internet is big. the web is a pustule on its ass. 1219567;1438364409;ascii_field;well yes. 1219568;1438364415;mircea_popescu;wellsothen. 1219569;1438364445;ascii_field;did i miss a line in the log? where did the web thing come in 1219570;1438364463;mircea_popescu;i got annoyed at the "oh noes, how could this thing that's been done since forever be done" 1219571;1438364476;*;mircea_popescu takes off to get more alcohol. 1219572;1438364480;ascii_field;ah l0l 1219573;1438364582;danielpbarron;!up ShawnLeary 1219574;1438364594;danielpbarron;who are yoU? 1219575;1438364634;ShawnLeary;I'm Shawn Leary 1219576;1438364638;ShawnLeary;;) 1219577;1438364656;ShawnLeary;I'm the organizer of the Jacksonville FL Bitcoin Meetup 1219578;1438364688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00053165 = 5.9279 BTC [-] 1219579;1438364691;funkenstein_;danielpbarron> you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back <-- this could work 1219580;1438364703;jurov;https://www.facebook.com/learys <3 <3 <3 1219581;1438364705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaZUYd ) 1219582;1438364717;jurov;is that you? 1219583;1438364758;ShawnLeary;I like long walks on the beach and counterparty 1219584;1438364763;trinque;lol 1219585;1438364768;danielpbarron;heh i kinda like counterparty too 1219586;1438364771;danielpbarron;you heard of MEAT? 1219587;1438364783;ShawnLeary;is that like YACHTMONEY? 1219588;1438364806;danielpbarron;i don't follow the XCP scene, i just occasionally put up buy/sell orders for my asset 1219589;1438364824;danielpbarron;on a related note, someone bought up all my shares and I haven't bothered to re-up yet 1219590;1438364826;ShawnLeary;so MEAT is an asset then? 1219591;1438364829;danielpbarron;ya 1219592;1438364865;ShawnLeary;why would one want to own MEAT? to beat it? ;) 1219593;1438364886;danielpbarron;it's backed 1:1 with 'meat' from Kingdom of Loathing 1219594;1438364956;danielpbarron;not to be taken seriously -- I don't think it will be possible to keep an exchange on the blockchain if bitcoin is to have a future 1219595;1438364969;ShawnLeary;this is my first day in this channel, so will do some more reading and research on it. Do you have a link to Kingdom of Loathing? 1219596;1438364979;danielpbarron;but it's very interesting to me that there can be alternative tokens of exchange on the same proof-of-work 1219597;1438364988;danielpbarron;lol don't research KoL 1219598;1438364992;danielpbarron;just read the log here 1219599;1438364993;ShawnLeary;blockchain all the things :) 1219600;1438365011;danielpbarron;if you must research a game, do Eulora 1219601;1438365024;danielpbarron;we need more n00bs to gather stuff for us and to be apprentice crafters 1219602;1438365063;danielpbarron;and Eulora needs no such silly currency pass-through to have access to bitcoin, as it's currency du-jour is already bitcoin 1219603;1438365066;shinohai;I don't even think I own a computer capable of playing Eulora on xD 1219604;1438365099;danielpbarron;i think even the most basic graphics card should work; it's not the most cutting edge stuff 1219605;1438365129;ShawnLeary;Spells of Genesis? 1219606;1438365134;shinohai;ewwww 1219607;1438365141;danielpbarron;i used to have poor FPS but someone showed me what to comment out of a file to make all the superflous terrain decorations go away and that helped a lot 1219608;1438365146;punkman;Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something 1219609;1438365172;trinque;ShawnLeary: best thing for you is to read the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com; you'll find many topics you may (think you) have opinions on have already been treated there, and exceptionally well. 1219610;1438365192;*;shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs 1219611;1438365199;punkman;shinohai: they do 1219612;1438365215;shinohai;Well I do on sdf, just not a lot of players anymore 1219613;1438365234;danielpbarron;shinohai, funny you say that; Eulora is supposed to eventually have a MUD-style client 1219614;1438365247;shinohai;Now THAT would be awesomeness 1219615;1438365250;danielpbarron;no reason to always render the whole 3d world 1219616;1438365250;shinohai;http://sdf.org/?tutorials/games_server_list 1219617;1438365251;assbot;SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hb1vNx ) 1219618;1438365258;danielpbarron;a great deal of the gameplay is just numbers and waiting 1219619;1438365262;danielpbarron;like crafting and trading 1219620;1438365271;trinque;shinohai: I wanna say I had an SDF account in high school 1219621;1438365275;trinque;haven't seen that in very long 1219622;1438365278;punkman;shinohai: you might also enjoy this website http://ifdb.tads.org/ 1219623;1438365281;assbot;The Interactive Fiction Database - IF and Text Adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hb1AAT ) 1219624;1438365309;shinohai;I always liked reading, so those sorts of games can really pull me in. 1219625;1438365326;shinohai;thx punkman 1219626;1438365376;punkman;(can play most games there straight in your browser) 1219627;1438365420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC 1219628;1438365474;shinohai;I ran a little citadel server for a while, which is about as basic of BBS as I can think of. 1219629;1438365485;punkman;danielpbarron: no reason to always render the whole 3d world << the 3d world serves no purpose at the moment if you ask me 1219630;1438365516;ShawnLeary;telnet MUDs? 1219631;1438365521;ShawnLeary;man that's going back 1219632;1438365534;ShawnLeary;I had to admit it, but as a young man I spent time on FuryMUCK 1219633;1438365539;danielpbarron;punkman, you might not be wrong there.. but then again the game is so mysterious I can't say that for sure 1219634;1438365541;shinohai;I don't like all the "fluff" of the interwebs as much. 1219635;1438365594;danielpbarron;for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that we can't be sure if it's always advantageous to level up; there might be cause to intentionally stunt your growth 1219636;1438365620;danielpbarron;depending on context of course (it is very advantageous to level up in the long run) 1219637;1438365680;mircea_popescu; Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something << it's pretty much all due to bad opengl implementation / dubious drivers. on compliant card-driver combos you get ~1k fps if reaosnably modern. 1219638;1438365700;mircea_popescu;i'm seeing 120 consistently on various 2007-2010 midmarket nvidia cards 1219639;1438365745;mircea_popescu;* shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough. 1219640;1438365760;danielpbarron;hah you played it!? 1219641;1438365769;shinohai;I don't see my platform listed, closest is Ubuntu 1219642;1438365783;danielpbarron;not my kind of humor in the flavor text and the economy is not good enough to stick around 1219643;1438365806;shinohai;Most browser MUDs I have seen require flash, which is a no-no for me. 1219644;1438365814;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah, cuz you kept talking about it 1219645;1438365841;mircea_popescu;word. exactly. there's so many silverman style dumbassery i can put up with. 1219646;1438365853;mircea_popescu;o really, "Actually ed the undying" is funny ? mmkay. 1219647;1438366095;BingoBoingo; * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough. << What class did you give a go? 1219648;1438366120;mircea_popescu;pastamancer. of course. i play necros almost exclusively. since about... 9. 1219649;1438366128;danielpbarron;hahaha I'm also a pastamancer 1219650;1438366143;danielpbarron;necro was also my favorite d2 character 1219651;1438366145;mircea_popescu;i was doing pretty good, apparently im immune to the negative effects of qwops 1219652;1438366166;mircea_popescu;because skill kills. and so spent my time in the ravensomething library reading "you and evil things, a love story" 1219653;1438366177;danielpbarron;i thought those only drop from a certain unique item but then again i haven't played in a while 1219654;1438366205;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron sadly necro sucked in d2, ended up forced to do a cold sorc like everyone else (that wasn't a paly). but did a witchdoctor in d3, for the... month or so that survived. 1219655;1438366224;danielpbarron;yeh my main character online was a magic find barbarian 1219656;1438366226;mircea_popescu;i can't believe nobody has written the epic story of the greatesrt failure in modern gaming. it's not daikatana, it's diablo 3. 1219657;1438366245;danielpbarron;i've never seen a screencap from d3 let alone actually played it 1219658;1438366282;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/diablo-iii 1219659;1438366283;assbot;Diablo III on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyGrGa ) 1219660;1438366286;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/level-60 1219661;1438366287;assbot;Level 60 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyGrWL ) 1219662;1438366298;mircea_popescu;etc. if you care gan go through trololudens 1219663;1438366397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35092 @ 0.00053031 = 18.6096 BTC [-] {3} 1219664;1438366584;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-07-2015#1219153 < we shall see 1219665;1438366584;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 12:04:00; punkman: Adlai: does the rocket fly? 1219666;1438367006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79950 @ 0.00051121 = 40.8712 BTC [-] 1219667;1438368487;ben_vulpes; ocelots. << pallas cats! 1219668;1438369020;decimation;wait, I pointed out this exact situation a few weeks ago and the conclusion was 'pay relay', not 'miner pays relay' 1219669;1438369117;decimation;re: pay for tx relays 1219670;1438369311;BingoBoingo;And now idiots are talking about replacing the 21 million coin cap, congrats Reddit https://medium.com/crypto-brief/should-21-million-bitcoin-be-the-cap-755b7f02ac4e 1219671;1438369312;assbot;Should 21 Million Bitcoin Be the Cap? — Crypto Brief — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbeaA3 ) 1219672;1438369324;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sha256sum buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz 1219673;1438369324;ben_vulpes;4199d2baa67451752b4313dff2b5347bf07995142182af0415c5831693d89013 buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz 1219674;1438369385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86350 @ 0.00052445 = 45.2863 BTC [+] {3} 1219675;1438369434;ben_vulpes;sha1 matches the value in the providers sig tho 1219676;1438369436;ben_vulpes;o.O 1219677;1438369480;BingoBoingo;The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" 1219678;1438369529;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field 1219679;1438369553;ascii_field;mosquitos drink blood, thieves want to steal. big fat surprise. 1219680;1438369584;ascii_field;tr0l0l0l. 1219681;1438369956;ben_vulpes;(in case you missed it, ascii_field, my hash of the buildroot tar doesn't match yours) 1219682;1438370053;ascii_field;sig date ? 1219683;1438370058;ascii_field;(his, not mine) ? 1219684;1438370119;ben_vulpes;gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 09:29:39 PM UTC using DSA key ID 59C36319 1219685;1438370122;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: also you took the 256 !! 1219686;1438370127;ascii_field;mine - matches yours 1219687;1438370133;ben_vulpes;bwaha. 1219688;1438370144;ben_vulpes;silent division by two operator. 1219689;1438370171;ben_vulpes;and mine yours. 1219690;1438370174;ben_vulpes;false alarm. 1219691;1438370332;*;trinque calls back the shitgnominators 1219692;1438370409;shinohai;;;later tell thestringpuller please message me if you are still working on Debian Eulora plox, thx. 1219693;1438370410;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1219694;1438371227;BingoBoingo;!up Michail 1219695;1438371459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12451 @ 0.00052503 = 6.5371 BTC [+] 1219696;1438371734;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1219697;1438372496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00054215 = 4.798 BTC [+] 1219698;1438372629;ascii_field;http://www.chaos.ctpp.co.uk/index.html 1219699;1438372630;assbot;ChaOS - A Self-compiling Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcYkhR ) 1219700;1438373662;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field 1219701;1438374701;mircea_popescu; for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that << re that "spaded", just you wait until you discover it's actually a noncomputable multivariate which doesn't even allow stable solutions in the real space. 1219702;1438375201;mircea_popescu;!up erg_ 1219703;1438375265;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo teh people whom nobody asked anything wondering about questions! it's a festival! 1219704;1438375308;mircea_popescu; The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" <<< in normal terms, "wealth concentration" means "power centers that are not alligned with usg". 1219705;1438375309;BingoBoingo;Eh, it's too good for me to not have started putting together a qntra after runimating on it for a bit. 1219706;1438375336;mircea_popescu;shinohai does the ubuntu thing not work on debian ? 1219707;1438375352;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it is pretty lulzy, if one lulz that way. 1219708;1438375374;shinohai;Some of the dependencies are different for me, but I think I got it, mircea_popescu 1219709;1438375391;mircea_popescu;add a deb pagew to wiki if thi is the case. 1219710;1438375430;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It really brings the whole shitgnome scheme together, even though the Selkis kid isn't even gnome enough to be a shitgnome himself 1219711;1438375468;mircea_popescu;yak, you know. anything can be yakked, and thus therfore on a long enough timeline with enough monkeys at keyboards, everything will be yakked. 1219712;1438375496;erg_;thanks, mp 1219713;1438375525;mircea_popescu;aha. what brings you here ? 1219714;1438375579;erg_;looking for the intelligent voices in Bitcoin 1219715;1438375607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00052439 = 41.6628 BTC [-] {3} 1219716;1438375614;mircea_popescu;o.O 1219717;1438375624;shinohai;I made the point about monkeys and keyboards in a similar fashion a few days ago. 1219718;1438375636;shinohai;Although in a self-deprecating manner. 1219719;1438375660;mircea_popescu;have some casual bondage as a prize. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mejsc2Q2NP1r8xnxlo1_1280.png 1219720;1438375662;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1guIaC0 ) 1219721;1438375699;shinohai;I'll be on the lookout for her to arrive by post. ;) 1219722;1438375717;erg_;She looks too satisfied and too clothed 1219723;1438376102;shinohai;http://redd.it/3f9e36 <<< moar ethereum lulz 1219724;1438376105;assbot;Ethereum: the World Computer : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1guJODM ) 1219725;1438376122;mircea_popescu;oh, has it taken over my toaster yet ? 1219726;1438376144;*;mircea_popescu reminds slavegirl to buy toaster so ethereum toasterworld takeover may proceed unhampered. 1219727;1438376148;shinohai;God bless snapshillbot 1219728;1438376197;trinque;"without any possibility of downtime" what the fuck is this shit 1219729;1438376205;trinque;nevermind, I don't even want to bother. 1219730;1438376219;erg_;What is the consensus here as to how Bitcoin evolves?? It occurs to me these debates about the software become less relevant in the future 1219731;1438376232;shinohai;Welp, add that to mah bucket list - fuck with Ethereum and their uptime. 1219732;1438376237;trinque;holy crap, they're trying to build in an end user programming thing 1219733;1438376239;mircea_popescu;erg_ tried the log ? 1219734;1438376255;mircea_popescu;trinque you just don't understand how marketing claims work. 1219735;1438376260;shinohai;If I have learned anything from #bitcoin-assets, it's that I can break shit. 1219736;1438376260;jurov;Bitcoin ftaghn. 1219737;1438376269;erg_;reading some now - am new 1219738;1438376279;trinque;mircea_popescu: I mean that glass pyramid is cool, I guess 1219739;1438376317;mircea_popescu;Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu B'ah wgah'nagl fhtagn! 1219740;1438376357;shinohai;There we go letting mircea_popescu read from the Necronomicon again. 1219741;1438376362;mircea_popescu;trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? 1219742;1438376391;trinque;I vaguely recall them being some scam or another 1219743;1438376397;mircea_popescu;ah it was glorious 1219744;1438376406;mircea_popescu;too bad one can't take a snapshot of "the consensus" of webidiots. 1219745;1438376410;trinque;I personally committed this end user programming fail at my last job 1219746;1438376437;trinque;the idea that you can just you know, "unlock" the "creativity" of a randomly selected bovine if the UI's "intuitive" enough 1219747;1438376444;trinque;wasn't my idea, but I bought in for sure 1219748;1438376458;*;ben_vulpes retches 1219749;1438376484;trinque;ben_vulpes: your grandmother doesn't want to write her own to-do app? 1219750;1438376486;mircea_popescu;trinque was the original nonsense answer to the question of the web. "oh, UGC will fill the holes! all we have to do is throw some widgets together and this torrent of FREE!!11 creativity, valuable unfiltered, will wash us all the way to the bank" 1219751;1438376493;mircea_popescu;made for some very lulzy years in the 90s 1219752;1438376505;mircea_popescu;that these twerps are still suckling that old goat in 2015... 1219753;1438376508;mircea_popescu;a lol unto itself. 1219754;1438376509;trinque;yep, this was the sad aftershock of that 1219755;1438376521;*;ben_vulpes is stuck maintaining the sad remnants of a UGC application 1219756;1438376530;ben_vulpes;it somehow found revenue. 1219757;1438376593;trinque;Mt Malinvestment 1219758;1438376615;ben_vulpes;it's useful for that narrow slice of people who find it useful. 1219759;1438376619;mircea_popescu;o hey i have a great idea 1219760;1438376630;mircea_popescu;what if we made a website that was a marketplace for songs people wrote! 1219761;1438376656;mircea_popescu;it could have like profile pages and upvotes 1219762;1438376656;trinque;sounds like an uber-idea 1219763;1438376667;mircea_popescu;we'll call them... flikes! 1219764;1438376671;mircea_popescu;it's catchy. 1219765;1438376702;mircea_popescu;thanks for the brainstorming guise, i think we created a lot of value. off to put another starbux coffee on this credit card someone mailed me for some reason. 1219766;1438376735;ben_vulpes;needs tour booking affordances 1219767;1438376739;trinque;brutal. my early 20s weep in pain 1219768;1438376739;ben_vulpes;and shirt selling 1219769;1438376747;mircea_popescu;ahgahahaha affordances ?! 1219770;1438376750;ben_vulpes;and social media integration 1219771;1438376751;mircea_popescu;is that dancing afore the fuck ? 1219772;1438376756;ben_vulpes;oh yes affordances 1219773;1438376765;ben_vulpes;no no the ui expert tells me that affordances are what you call things 1219774;1438376769;mircea_popescu;affordances : http://31.media.tumblr.com/54985e24e1f7f1d243d046611f83b053/tumblr_n3fi75rpx11ri9me7o1_250.gif 1219775;1438376771;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1guLOvQ ) 1219776;1438376774;mircea_popescu;(her name's Affor) 1219777;1438376784;ben_vulpes;affogadances 1219778;1438376921;trinque;ben_vulpes: imma need 3k for this moonscript conference I'm going to, kthx 1219779;1438376973;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1 1219780;1438377011;scoopbot_revived;Selkis Tips Fiat Agenda For Bitcoin http://qntra.net/2015/07/selkis-tips-fiat-agenda-for-bitcoin/ 1219781;1438377122;mircea_popescu;isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? 1219782;1438377152;mircea_popescu;in other news on the templeos front, http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1090.cfm 1219783;1438377154;assbot;TITLE: PROSTITUTE'S CONVENTION HERALDS THE FINAL STEP IN ACCEPTANCE, ACCORDING TO THE SIX STEP ATTITUDINAL CHANGE PLAN! - Christian Updates - New World Order. ... ( http://bit.ly/1guNc1r ) 1219784;1438377158;ben_vulpes;trinque: request approved, will reimburse once you close a deal worth 6k from conference generated leads 1219785;1438377171;mircea_popescu;"When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical destruction God may hav 1219786;1438377172;mircea_popescu;e in store for us." 1219787;1438377188;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what, he's sales ?! 1219788;1438377206;ben_vulpes;why the hell else is he going to a moonscript conference but to drum up more "fix my busted ass js" work? 1219789;1438377216;trinque;ben_vulpes: b-b-but! 1219790;1438377221;ben_vulpes;NO QUESTIONS 1219791;1438377243;trinque;you're not nurturing my growth! 1219792;1438377250;ben_vulpes;BUSINESS GROWS YOU GROW 1219793;1438377274;BingoBoingo; isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? << Kinda made himself too much after Gox. Twas bullet 1. This bullet 2. 1219794;1438377286;trinque;mircea_popescu: shit no! I belong in the code dungeon 1219795;1438377291;trinque;was just making fun 1219796;1438377308;ben_vulpes;in jokes on in jokes 1219797;1438377319;mircea_popescu;i still don't know what is he supposed to have done. rewrite trilema, badly, spend all day on twitter, try to come up with stuff on his own, made fool of self 3x, 5x, i forget. what's he notable for ? 1219798;1438377340;mircea_popescu;at least that tv dude without a station is a fag. what's this guy got ? 1219799;1438377362;mircea_popescu;trinque your joke application was denied. i will proceed to take the aforementioned seriously. 1219800;1438377375;BingoBoingo;Basically all that. Mostly nothing. He apparently though is embeded in with the New York bitcoin theater. 1219801;1438377379;trinque;lol 1219802;1438377422;mircea_popescu;well hopefully he gets 2mn to best practices bitcoin or something. 1219803;1438377425;ben_vulpes;next week: "hey trinque how's lunascript.butts?" 1219804;1438377434;mircea_popescu;:D 1219805;1438377453;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes hey, i'll believe him once he turns it in over 9k lulz. 1219806;1438377466;ben_vulpes;trinque: where's your expense report for these 9k in lulz? 1219807;1438377480;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219785 <<< You sound like a mormon or jehovah witness spot on 1219808;1438377480;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 21:12:51; mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical dest 1219809;1438377485;BingoBoingo;It seems like that's the sort of deal he has. Some fiaters pay him to run a fan club, he tries to "influence agent" 1219810;1438377498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00051219 = 11.9852 BTC [-] {3} 1219811;1438377514;mircea_popescu;shinohai it was a quote yo. 1219812;1438377559;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they must be some choice derps, he's less effectual even than that southern republican lobby chick with a funny name. 1219813;1438377628;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "But he went to a good school" - Famous last words, as far as I can tell also their Derp selection criteria. Best to head him off when he's weak least he Hearniate to a lager size 1219814;1438377628;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah sorry, I realized moonscript was going to cause me to think too much, so I'm working on a new type system for Fey which will somehow hide the fact that I'm still using JS in a browser 1219815;1438377636;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone familiar with the personal history of one rachel uchitel ? some choice lulz there. 1219816;1438377652;trinque;ben_vulpes: any chance we can slip the release date til never? 1219817;1438377656;mircea_popescu;(ex hooker, applied for a private eye license, stuff like that. almost like an action movie plot irl) 1219818;1438377680;ben_vulpes;trinque: naw i need it in two weeks 1219819;1438377694;ben_vulpes;i'm locking you in the code hole until its done 1219820;1438377697;*;trinque organizes a hackathon 1219821;1438377698;ben_vulpes;or until you say its done 1219822;1438377704;ben_vulpes;or until i find your dessicated corpse 1219823;1438377707;ben_vulpes;whichever happens first 1219824;1438377742;shinohai;I'm on religious high alert today, sorry 1219825;1438377901;mircea_popescu;"Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew was a reality television show that aired on the cable network VH1 which chronicles a group of people as they are treated for alcohol and drug addiction by Dr. Drew Pinsky and his staff at the Pasadena Recovery Center in Pasadena, California. [...] In May 2013, Pinsky announced that season six was the final season, explaining that he was tired of the criticism leveled at him after celebrit 1219826;1438377901;mircea_popescu;ies he treated had relapsed and died." 1219827;1438377910;mircea_popescu;the many shades, the many sides, the many meanings of "treatment" 1219828;1438377946;mircea_popescu;and this unfair criticism which quashes the creativity of quacks! 1219829;1438377978;mircea_popescu;the world won't be a better place until we put an end to all this bullying, and global warming. 1219830;1438377986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00052949 = 6.1686 BTC [+] 1219831;1438378106;ben_vulpes;loveline was a pretty fun radio show. 1219832;1438378120;trinque;in the "hey dude, smell this" kind of way 1219833;1438378135;ben_vulpes;corolla and pinsky were no stern 1219834;1438378149;ben_vulpes;heh trinque has it 1219835;1438378165;trinque;train-wreck porn; I had many a lol 1219836;1438378356;ben_vulpes;trinque: https://lwn.net/Articles/651833/ 1219837;1438378357;assbot;Django Girls one year later [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1guRupF ) 1219838;1438378435;*;mircea_popescu despises women in flats. 1219839;1438378498;trinque;ambassador of awesomeness, dear god 1219840;1438378535;mircea_popescu;words because words. 1219841;1438378542;trinque;good a segue as any to: 1219842;1438378544;trinque;http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/#selection-21.0-25.1 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153508 << there's something here which I've been chewing on for quite a while. I find that in myself past a certain point there are not words at all for the symbols I use to relate to my life. I've considered whether this is due to --> 1219843;1438378545;assbot;Please take your pills. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eHENG2 ) 1219844;1438378545;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:20; mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are. 1219845;1438378546;shinohai;I have women visit me, i detest going out to them. 1219846;1438378546;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-04-2015#1103915 1219847;1438378546;assbot;Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit 1219848;1438378576;trinque;this problem of the language meaning not-one-damn-thing explains a great deal to me 1219849;1438378591;trinque;I do wonder if anybody ever had words for the innermost stuff, or not 1219850;1438378608;mircea_popescu;the words are fine. 1219851;1438378627;mircea_popescu;just because you were stuck on windows web framework for a while means jack in the grand order. 1219852;1438378631;mircea_popescu;a site's a site and a web's a web. 1219853;1438378653;shinohai;"Primero hay que saber sufrir, despues amar, despues partir; y luego andar sin pensamiento." 1219854;1438378672;mircea_popescu;right. how do you get them to leave ? 1219855;1438378699;ben_vulpes;get? tell. 1219856;1438378708;mircea_popescu;he's a softie. 1219857;1438378727;ben_vulpes;give 'em a twenty 1219858;1438378733;ben_vulpes;that way they won't come back :P 1219859;1438378739;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised. 1219860;1438378758;ben_vulpes;it's not an insultingly low amount? 1219861;1438378761;ben_vulpes;200 i can see 1219862;1438378788;mircea_popescu;women don't care about being insulted by people they like. 1219863;1438378835;mircea_popescu;"Listen to old Gloria. The greater the sacrifice you ask a woman to make, the more she knows you love her. Honestly." 1219864;1438378837;ben_vulpes;ain't that the truth 1219865;1438378839;mircea_popescu;or somethinglikethat. 1219866;1438378906;mircea_popescu;species would be in one helluva predicament if they did care. kids get pretty fucking insulting. 1219867;1438378947;ben_vulpes;heh mostly in the sense of "i can't believe that you came out of me, idiot" 1219868;1438378964;ben_vulpes;it's not so bad though! just mean reversion in your face. 1219869;1438378987;trinque;ben_vulpes: you must've behaved yourself :D 1219870;1438379011;mircea_popescu;he looks like he was a pretty well behaved kid, yeah. 1219871;1438379022;mircea_popescu;still has all fingers, pansy shit like that. 1219872;1438379036;ben_vulpes;oh ho ho 1219873;1438379050;ben_vulpes;parents were just barely smart enough to know to not tell me what to do 1219874;1438379063;ben_vulpes;i was just barely smart enough to break all of the rules without ever telling anyone 1219875;1438379073;mircea_popescu;prolly never as much as set fire to the very boat keeping him afloat a glacier lake or anything 1219876;1438379083;ben_vulpes;mutually assured ignorance 1219877;1438379089;mircea_popescu;lol 1219878;1438379105;ben_vulpes;actually there was one rule 1219879;1438379109;mircea_popescu;in other news from hell, these fucktards actually put guar gum in CREAM 1219880;1438379109;ben_vulpes;"don't get caught" 1219881;1438379114;mircea_popescu;or what they call cream. fucking hell... 1219882;1438379117;trinque;yeah, I was brazen enough to push, got corrected in kind, did me some good 1219883;1438379126;mircea_popescu;i want my napolact sour cream pintsized jar! 1219884;1438379142;ben_vulpes;;;ud napolact 1219885;1438379143;gribble;Google found nothing. 1219886;1438379145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00052949 = 7.6776 BTC [+] 1219887;1438379146;mircea_popescu;lol 1219888;1438379148;ben_vulpes;;;google napolact 1219889;1438379149;gribble;Napolact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Napolact - Wikipedia: ; Napolact - Cluj-Napoca, Romania - Food/Beverages - Wall | Facebook: 1219890;1438379151;mircea_popescu;google... 1219891;1438379158;ben_vulpes;wat 1219892;1438379172;mircea_popescu;http://supermarketclaudia.ro/smantana-gospodar-napolact-400g << must eat this 1219893;1438379173;assbot;Super Market Online - Casa de Comenzi Online Bucuresti - Smantana Gospodar Napolact 400g ... ( http://bit.ly/1guU2nD ) 1219894;1438379179;mircea_popescu;one is not a man until one has had smintina gospodar. 1219895;1438379203;mircea_popescu;75% fat. 1219896;1438379245;mircea_popescu;also, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8d01952c82fec3bbb7ef056d56a6e7b3/tumblr_mh656leSVx1r0llf1o1_500.png 1219897;1438379246;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1guUfap ) 1219898;1438379251;ben_vulpes;trinque: make any progress through keene yet? 1219899;1438379283;trinque;just ch1, plan to hit that more this eve 1219900;1438379309;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hyuuuuu 1219901;1438379314;ben_vulpes;trinque: ch4's got some magic 1219902;1438379336;ben_vulpes;define methods that run after other methods 1219903;1438379358;trinque;sort of pre-post guard stuff? 1219904;1438379366;ben_vulpes;yeah ish 1219905;1438379444;ben_vulpes;(defmethod (setf side-a) :after ... ) runs after someone calls (setf (side-a instance-of-triangle-class)) 1219906;1438379450;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218689 <<< i think ethercoin is just some eth altcoin where each ethercoin is redeemable for 1 eth or some shit like that - catching up on logs so nfi if this was pointed out later 1219907;1438379450;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 20:59:09; pete_dushenski: eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out. 1219908;1438379451;ben_vulpes;poor man's consistency check? 1219909;1438379452;hanbot;ascii_field hanbot, what are the remaining issues? << rotor.sh sez: http://thewhet.net/han/rotorfail.txt (no patches) meanwhile mod6 has made progress on RI on ubuntu so still working on "manual" stator build. 1219910;1438379468;trinque;ben_vulpes: actually I'm growing convinced it's the rich man's 1219911;1438379478;trinque;I can see all manner of places I can transplant db patterns into CLOS 1219912;1438379487;trinque;slot accessors being one of them 1219913;1438379497;trinque;"this shall have a goddamn foo" 1219914;1438379501;trinque;"this shall have n goddamn foos" 1219915;1438379503;trinque;so on 1219916;1438379522;ben_vulpes;i'm not quite certain how persistence is supposed to work in the absence of an external database, and over restarts/redeploys. 1219917;1438379546;ben_vulpes;i understand s-l-a-d, but not necesarily how to persist in-memory data structures over the running of a new system. 1219918;1438379551;trinque;dunno that it can, but perhaps it amounts to the "table scan" step of the query pipeline 1219919;1438379558;trinque;everything else being in your program proper 1219920;1438379561;ben_vulpes;perhaps old system serializes its memory to disk before shutdown? 1219921;1438379580;trinque;this is where I'd want to transactionally snapshot rather than -and-die 1219922;1438379589;trinque;save-lisp-and-carry-on! 1219923;1438379617;ben_vulpes;myeah, sure 1219924;1438379640;trinque;the shuffling of objects looks a lot like mmap, I'd bet 1219925;1438379671;trinque;I'm not clear on the interaction between long term storage and runtime just yet 1219926;1438379687;trinque;but surely it was treated in the golden age 1219927;1438379692;ben_vulpes;"statice" 1219928;1438379771;gernika;Can someone point me to the guide for installing gentoo properly for foundation purposes? Following the default guide and it's got steps for setting up systemd, which clearly I don't want. 1219929;1438379790;ben_vulpes;and i'm not quite sure what the "select * from Y" equivalent in a cl proggie would be 1219930;1438379824;ben_vulpes;!s gentoo guide 1219931;1438379824;assbot;29 results for 'gentoo guide' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo+guide 1219932;1438379830;ben_vulpes;gernika: see above 1219933;1438379859;ben_vulpes;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt << mod6 is this still up to date? 1219934;1438380030;gernika;ben_vulpes thanks 1219935;1438380161;ben_vulpes;!s -e 1219936;1438380162;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=-e 1219937;1438380163;trinque;ben_vulpes: perhaps CLOS calls for a greater distinction between your base facts and derived facts 1219938;1438380174;trinque;that is a question of mine as well, though 1219939;1438380182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00051121 = 9.2018 BTC [-] {2} 1219940;1438380191;trinque;what I mean is, say you want to work on n slots, perhaps you just bail to regular CL data structures from there 1219941;1438380487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052949 = 8.6307 BTC [+] 1219942;1438380720;BingoBoingo;Come on scoopy, what does the Friday newsdump have in store for us. 1219943;1438380773;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218970 <<< i've seen this maccas kiosk images a few times now https://ihumanmedia.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/mcdonalds.jpg 1219944;1438380773;assbot;Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at. 1219945;1438380774;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuIu9L ) 1219946;1438380842;trinque;cazalla: that's going to be the ass end of asciilifeform's coke machine 1219947;1438380961;scoopbot_revived;France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ 1219948;1438381280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00052949 = 5.9568 BTC [+] 1219949;1438381885;BingoBoingo;cazalla: They throw that image around to hide the truth. No one "flips" burgers there anymore. 1219950;1438382256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32367 @ 0.00052769 = 17.0797 BTC [-] {2} 1219951;1438383131;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu despises women in flats. << No heel here http://www.orthopaedicsone.com/download/thumbnails/33687139/Case2a.jpg?version=1&modificationDate=1301943866000 1219952;1438383133;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuKS0d ) 1219953;1438383214;ben_vulpes;eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 1219954;1438383720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00052949 = 8.1806 BTC [+] 1219955;1438384187;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: heel shoes always seemed to me a slightly milder version of chinese foot-binding... 1219956;1438384242;asciilifeform;looks like trinque forgot to link his patch here? >>>> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html <<<< 1219957;1438384243;assbot;[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1hbPG4Q ) 1219958;1438384259;asciilifeform;^ anyone who had troubles with 'rotor', plz read ^ ! 1219959;1438384265;asciilifeform;hanbot et al ^^^ 1219960;1438384330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00052516 = 3.8074 BTC [-] {2} 1219961;1438384696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00053216 = 9.4458 BTC [+] {3} 1219962;1438385171;trinque;asciilifeform: I did, thank you sir 1219963;1438385187;trinque;and I meant to attach the thing, but apparently need to lern2emacs 1219964;1438385200;trinque;so if that thing's suitable, great, otherwise I'll send it again 1219965;1438385582;mod6;yeah. the patch itself is mundged when sent like that because gnupg tries to escape hyphens; which is why "- ---" and "- -../dist/configure ..." happens. 1219966;1438386348;phf; save-lisp-and-carry-on! << this is handled with a posix fork. also lets you do any sort of cleanup in child before dump, like closing socket connections and such. 1219967;1438386550;mircea_popescu;cazalla has not o.O 1219968;1438386561;mircea_popescu;so they don't actually have the product but are releasing a hype condenser ? 1219969;1438386680;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ << and once they're done with that, they may move on to imposing "married woman's right to be free from dna testing of offspring" globally. 1219970;1438386682;assbot;France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfuULS ) 1219971;1438386696;mircea_popescu;possibly the most batshit insane thing about france today is that you go to jail for having one done ABROAD. 1219972;1438386724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's exactly what it is. a milder version of chinese foot binding. 1219973;1438386730;BingoBoingo;Oh and a qntra post just fell out of reddit completely this time. 1219974;1438386780;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty great closer lol. 1219975;1438386787;BingoBoingo;ty 1219976;1438386808;mircea_popescu;anyway, whole french state can go hang. nobody has any right to be forgotten as long as i fucking live. for any reason under any circumstances in any context. 1219977;1438386824;mircea_popescu;i live to make whatever selection of inconvenient facts about the living and the dead a huge pain in their ass. 1219978;1438386850;mircea_popescu;never forget. 1219979;1438386858;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/qeIlr seems to be missing from... https://archive.is/jF1cV or any other avenue of discovery that isn't a direct link... 1219980;1438386859;assbot;Selkis Tips Fiat Agenda For Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvfOF ) 1219981;1438386860;assbot;newest submissions : qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvfOL ) 1219982;1438386904;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/9cd86be29c0052b758af6656cee65e28/tumblr_n33szisHYg1rus2mto6_1280.jpg << saving this for later, who knows, might be needed. 1219983;1438386905;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvkSv ) 1219984;1438386995;shinohai;iirc, didn't mircea_popescu tip 4 tits one time? 1219985;1438387007;mircea_popescu;i wut ? 1219986;1438387034;shinohai;I swore I remember a trilema article where you paid chicks 0.5 to show tits in here. 1219987;1438387040;shinohai;I may be high. 1219988;1438387067;mircea_popescu;oh 1219989;1438387072;mircea_popescu;;;google ill pay for your tits 1219990;1438387073;gribble;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Smurfs xxx (plus words) - YouTube: ; 100 Bucks to Touch Your Boobs - YouTube: 1219991;1438387156;shinohai;Why yes, that is the one. That means I am not quite as inebriated as I thought. 1219992;1438387166;cazalla;mircea_popescu, no, i think someone else just created a knock off to skim a little more cream off the top .. https://www.ethercoin.cc/ (regged august last year) that is the coin pete linked anyway, not legit scam eth 1219993;1438387168;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfw2io ) 1219994;1438387181;mircea_popescu;o.O 1219995;1438387184;mircea_popescu;scams atop scams...