1149272;1433117911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.0003293 = 12.003 BTC [+]
1149273;1433117982;ben_vulpes;Adlai, asciilifeform: are the commercial lisps worth paying for?
1149274;1433118039;ben_vulpes;trinque and i were wondering about their CLIM implementations, and if documentation etc was better on the closed-source side of the world
1149275;1433118150;Adlai;who needs documentation when you have live support
1149276;1433118384;BingoBoingo;Oh found internet fiction http://pastebin.com/CPum0U4R
1149277;1433118847;*;Adlai got had at moo
1149278;1433119847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00031613 = 2.4026 BTC [-]
1149279;1433120335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00031125 = 6.3495 BTC [-]
1149280;1433121738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22126 @ 0.00031125 = 6.8867 BTC [-]
1149281;1433122409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00030903 = 1.1434 BTC [-]
1149282;1433122811;decimation;re: gold standard doesn't work < yeah this might be the case, but nearly all of the criticisms offered would apply equally to bitcoin
1149283;1433122939;decimation;asciilifeform: maybe one solution to the 'bastard transmitter' problem would be to make an irc/gossip/udp net that requires proof of wot membership to join
1149284;1433124545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21425 @ 0.00031002 = 6.6422 BTC [+]
1149285;1433124728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00030874 = 11.0838 BTC [-] {2} 
1149286;1433124911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00031006 = 6.7283 BTC [+]
1149287;1433125600;asciilifeform;<ben_vulpes> Adlai, asciilifeform: are the commercial lisps worth paying for? << extremely bad question. is a boeing worth paying for? depends!
1149288;1433125637;Adlai;i've heard they're great for hammering in nails
1149289;1433125648;asciilifeform;Adlai: nah, that's microscopes
1149290;1433125661;Adlai;you aren't dreaming big enough
1149291;1433125680;*;asciilifeform dreams big: of hammering with -electron- microscopes !
1149292;1433125726;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000096.html << The State of Bitcoin Address
1149293;1433125786;asciilifeform;decimation: asciilifeform: maybe one solution to the 'bastard transmitter' problem would be ... this is still reasoning from the misconception that 'bastards' necessarily come from malicious or malfunctioning nodes. this is not the case - a 0.5.3.x will emit bastards - from point of view of certain nodes - just as often as any other
1149294;1433125786;Adlai;both are too heavy to wield manually but electron microscopes, unlike the boeing, lack self-propulsion
1149295;1433125786;asciilifeform;it is a consequence of how screamingly retarded the sync mechanism is to begin with
1149296;1433125847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21217 @ 0.00031018 = 6.5811 BTC [+] {2} 
1149297;1433125849;decimation;asciilifeform: forgive my ignorance, but there's a single valid path through the blockchain
1149298;1433125857;decimation;why does every node need to reverify it?
1149299;1433125933;asciilifeform;<ben_vulpes> trinque and i were wondering about their CLIM implementations, and if documentation etc was better on the closed-source side of the world << i never had lispworks and can't comment about it, but franz 'allegro' does come with clim. iirc it only works in the non-smp version though, and depends on gtk
1149300;1433125985;asciilifeform;lispworks is actually (afaik to this day) the maintainer of the online cl hyperspec! while documentation from franz was once superb - came in printed volumes, which i bought second-hand
1149301;1433125992;asciilifeform;but afaik they no longer ship the dead tree
1149302;1433126013;asciilifeform;decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node!
1149303;1433126021;asciilifeform;but a gavinabortion
1149304;1433126030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00030846 = 5.4289 BTC [-]
1149305;1433126066;decimation;yeah, but there's a difference between "here's our history; you verify" and "pls to give transactions"
1149306;1433126068;asciilifeform;mod6: neato
1149307;1433126142;asciilifeform;decimation: in both cases, 'martian' - that is to say, unverifiable with info at hand - blocks (or transactions) are indistinguishable from garbage at time of receipt
1149308;1433126181;mod6;thx ascii, :]
1149309;1433126231;asciilifeform;mod6: i would comment that technically the block-bastardage and tx-orphanage nukes are semantically independent. but the latter was derived from a main.cpp patched with the former.
1149310;1433126247;asciilifeform;so the statement in the report - holds.
1149311;1433126280;asciilifeform;mod6: the igprof thing was its own patch
1149312;1433126294;asciilifeform;(it works without the patch but you can't take runtime heap snapshots then)
1149313;1433126342;asciilifeform;oh perhaps i should mention that i tested the db memory thing
1149314;1433126351;asciilifeform;our ver. of bdb actually lacks the set_memory_max
1149315;1433126365;asciilifeform;there is a cache cap option. setting it did precisely nothing.
1149316;1433126377;mod6;I should have put in a line maybe about "encouraged to read the submitted emails" or something, but perhaps I just thought it was implied.
1149317;1433126421;mod6;<+asciilifeform> our ver. of bdb actually lacks the set_memory_max << OH. ok did not realize that. damn. well, i'll mention this fact in next months letter.  should hvae asked.
1149318;1433126444;asciilifeform;not 100% certain that we're all using same bdb...
1149319;1433126457;decimation;asciilifeform: I'm using the auto.sh build
1149320;1433126509;mod6;well, if one starts with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE built with auto.sh, then BDB 4.8.30 will be built with it.
1149321;1433126564;mod6;<+asciilifeform> not 100% certain that we're all using same bdb... << but anyway, yeah, I'll check anyway. there is a chance that we could be looking at two seperate versions.
1149322;1433126566;asciilifeform;see db-4.8.30/dbinc/db_cxx.in
1149323;1433126583;asciilifeform;for what is and isn't on the gameboard.
1149324;1433126658;decimation;no set_memory_max on my version
1149325;1433126693;mod6;yeah, its not in there.
1149326;1433126693;asciilifeform;anyway none of my tests lay blame on bdb for continuous memory-eating
1149327;1433126709;asciilifeform;just has the appearance of something one could perhaps shave a MB or two off, total.
1149328;1433126725;decimation;asciilifeform: I see lots of std::vector and associated bs in your igprof stuff
1149329;1433126742;asciilifeform;on the other hand, it -is- a candidate for the possible hidey-hole of the 'phantom' ram
1149330;1433126756;asciilifeform;decimation: likely, boost internal crapolade
1149331;1433126783;decimation;do you think it's possible that C++ is 'helpfully' holding on to allocated memory?
1149332;1433126802;asciilifeform;decimation: when formally freed ? that'd be a gcc bug
1149333;1433126809;asciilifeform;and/or glibc
1149334;1433126825;asciilifeform;not impossible, but 'first rule out the usual suspects, then - miracles'
1149335;1433126845;decimation;I guess I'm saying: did satoshi fail to clean up clutter as he went along?
1149336;1433126859;asciilifeform;decimation: thing is, we no longer have classical leakage
1149337;1433126878;asciilifeform;as in, memory --> +inf as t --> +inf
1149338;1433126896;decimation;right.  and one thing that infuriates me about std::vector - for instance - is that it's not exactly clear when free() is gonna be called
1149339;1433126967;asciilifeform;this is one of the reasons why i - in all seriousness - believe c++ to be one of the 20th century's greatest crimes against the future.
1149340;1433127031;decimation;stroustrup gonna be dug up and hung in effigy?
1149341;1433127034;Adlai;!s fqa
1149342;1433127035;assbot;0 results for 'fqa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fqa
1149343;1433127053;asciilifeform;why effigy?
1149344;1433127056;asciilifeform;bastard's alive !
1149345;1433127067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00030846 = 6.9558 BTC [-]
1149346;1433127068;decimation;yeah but folks don't realize the crime yet, apparently
1149347;1433127100;asciilifeform;at any rate, it'd be harmless crackpottery without microshit
1149348;1433127106;asciilifeform;the real enabler
1149349;1433127135;asciilifeform;(notice, incidentally, that cpp is virtually unused outside the microturd world ?)
1149350;1433127184;decimation;heh yeah when reading that bastards section I ran into "CCriticalSection" stuff - which apparently all came from mfc shit
1149351;1433127191;decimation;satoshi reimplemented
1149352;1433127248;asciilifeform;imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented
1149353;1433127275;asciilifeform;out of duct tape and chewing gum, and, to add insult to injury, cannot really be rebuilt
1149354;1433127283;decimation;well, because what do they have? excel?
1149355;1433127286;asciilifeform;(see old mircea_popescu thread re: proof)
1149356;1433127327;asciilifeform;there -exists- software not crafted out of duct tape and gum
1149357;1433127351;asciilifeform;most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc
1149358;1433127433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56815 @ 0.00030835 = 17.5189 BTC [-] {2} 
1149359;1433127536;decimation;it could be rebuilt, but not without the resources of a rich prince
1149360;1433127572;decimation;certainly not by hobbyists
1149361;1433127600;asciilifeform;wake me up when there exists anything other than hobbyists in the space.
1149362;1433127615;decimation;aye
1149363;1433127641;decimation;what ever came of that startup that is re-writing bitcoin in go or whatever
1149364;1433127669;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-05-2015#1128353 << this.
1149365;1433127669;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 20:00:50; mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."
1149366;1433127706;decimation;heh
1149367;1433127766;asciilifeform;the other basic observation is that bitcoin per se feeds no one
1149368;1433127776;asciilifeform;and that no one ought to be surprised by this
1149369;1433127778;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143414
1149370;1433127778;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.
1149371;1433127801;asciilifeform;(buncha derps get fed by usg for pretending to operate in bitcoin; very different affair)
1149372;1433127860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35989 @ 0.00030647 = 11.0295 BTC [-] {2} 
1149373;1433127898;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143424 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143425
1149374;1433127898;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:41; mircea_popescu: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"
1149375;1433127898;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:49; mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.
1149376;1433127962;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah it's true that 'selling os' is a terrible business
1149377;1433128055;asciilifeform;no one will ever make a living, much less get rich, selling the sun.
1149378;1433128392;asciilifeform;why the hell would anyone pay anyone to, e.g., kill mosquitoes, when 'deadheads' who paid nothing still get the 'product' (avoiding bites) ?
1149379;1433128424;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1149380;1433128447;decimation;some people like to live in a civilized place, as opposed to barbarous
1149381;1433128466;asciilifeform;this only goes so far
1149382;1433128520;thestringpuller;anyone see anything about this project vault by google?
1149383;1433128527;thestringpuller;suspiciously similar to cardano
1149384;1433128529;asciilifeform;?
1149385;1433128548;asciilifeform;can't wait for the usg cardano.
1149386;1433128556;asciilifeform;(anyone recall 'clipper' ?)
1149387;1433128570;Vexual;fast ship?
1149388;1433128581;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i'm seeing a microsd single-chip turd
1149389;1433128584;asciilifeform;snore.
1149390;1433128609;asciilifeform;'It also has an NFC chip and an antenna (for proving that you are in control and that it’s correctly authorized).' l0l!!!
1149391;1433128643;asciilifeform;auditability? what's that.
1149392;1433128684;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: yea pretty much usg cardano, just didn't know if it had been discussed. now it has.
1149393;1433128713;asciilifeform;for young people >> https://epic.org/crypto/clipper << the original usg cardano.
1149394;1433128773;asciilifeform;the first time around, they made the mistake of being honest about the intentions of backdooring
1149395;1433128789;asciilifeform;http://opensource.com/government/15/2/us-government-retires-clipper-chip << not formally retracted as usg proclamation until 2015 !
1149396;1433128929;asciilifeform;http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/2014/08/the-nsa-tried-this-before-what-the-90s-debate-over-the-clipper-chip-can-teach-us-about-digital-privacy-debates << moar on the subject. tabloid, but with pretty picturez.
1149397;1433128989;decimation;asciilifeform: note that usg doesn't really need to be 'good', it's just that there's no credible alternative
1149398;1433128989;asciilifeform;onetimepad with goose quill pens and dice is still more credible alternative than anything out of usg & co.
1149399;1433129023;Vexual;elegant
1149400;1433129066;Vexual;none of this shoehorn a shit onto your shit
1149401;1433129106;Vexual;so you might tread thru shit
1149402;1433129218;asciilifeform;at any rate, google is ripping off folks like https://www.nitrokey.com and the two or three similar items discussed in previous logs
1149403;1433129278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0003118 = 1.5902 BTC [+]
1149404;1433129278;Vexual;i assumed vault was just a word that presumed they were better than apple at storing nudes, so i didnt look
1149405;1433129278;Vexual;what is it?
1149406;1433129304;mircea_popescu;<Adlai> who needs documentation when you have live support << what's this, camwhoring for geeks ?
1149407;1433129307;asciilifeform;Vexual: sd card with single-chip 'crypto coprocessor' (a la the atmel turd discussed a few months ago; possibly even the very same) - with extra holy water and marketing drivel included
1149408;1433129320;Adlai;pretty much
1149409;1433129327;Adlai;shellwhoring
1149410;1433129493;asciilifeform;thestringpuller, decimation: whether snowden & co. started out as psyop or not, fact is that at this point it is 100% a marketing machine for 'vaults' and 'redpNohes' of a thousand and one kinds
1149411;1433129530;Vexual;sd card is the only hole on a google netbook?
1149412;1433129563;asciilifeform;Vexual: the only (usable) hole in a google pNohe
1149413;1433129568;asciilifeform;hence the form factor.
1149414;1433129570;Vexual;ah
1149415;1433129624;asciilifeform;regardless of what kind of pig you might own, the hucksters will gladly sell you fourteen varieties of s333k0000r1ty!!!11 lipstick for it.
1149416;1433129634;mircea_popescu;country of fat stupid people with government issued money. of course everything will end up marketing.
1149417;1433129651;mircea_popescu;the entire french language is, in the us, a sort of marketing ploy.
1149418;1433129690;decimation;heh yeah that's true
1149419;1433129691;*;asciilifeform picks up phone, calls airline, asks to buy ticket to country where they have thin smart people with non-governmental money
1149420;1433129712;*;mircea_popescu too.
1149421;1433129726;mircea_popescu;used to be russia, amusingly enough
1149422;1433129741;asciilifeform;afaik they still have the 'thin' working
1149423;1433129986;danielpbarron;;;later tell Luke-Jr hey look it's that game you like to play! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoldFvlYwyM
1149424;1433130046;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1149425;1433130168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90856 @ 0.0003196 = 29.0376 BTC [+] {3} 
1149426;1433130338;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha wait, there's derps actually writing on tardstalk like all seriously and naively and whatnot ?
1149427;1433130343;mircea_popescu;jesus the internet's a riot.
1149428;1433130717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.0003293 = 13.419 BTC [+]
1149429;1433131022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46610 @ 0.00032626 = 15.207 BTC [-]
1149430;1433131044;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149292 << /me greps for ben_vulpes in there, finds entry in title
1149431;1433131044;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 02:28:46; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000096.html << The State of Bitcoin Address
1149432;1433131050;mircea_popescu;whatcher doin' these days yo ?
1149433;1433131414;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149352 on one hand, they're talking to a crowd, and for that particular crowd talking sense means you lose. why the fuck they imagine against plainly obvious reality that it still matters or can help them is besides the point here. on the other hand, they don't want to help. formulating cogent criticisms is helping.
1149434;1433131414;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 02:54:08; asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented
1149435;1433131451;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149357 << you must have missed the story about the powerless airbus because java.
1149436;1433131451;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 02:55:51; asciilifeform: most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc
1149437;1433131494;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149360 << nothing worth the mention was ever done by anything but hobbysts. they do flight. "industry" and so on does the f-35.
1149438;1433131494;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 02:59:32; decimation: certainly not by hobbyists
1149439;1433131526;decimation;that's a point, but there's a world of difference between a flying bicycle and a fancy jet
1149440;1433131645;mircea_popescu;"In a short notice published last month, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) announced it was retiring a number of Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS) because they were obsolete. Notably, that list of retirements includes FIPS-185."
1149441;1433131715;mircea_popescu;and someone somewhere still naively proposes the nist be taken as anything but the goskomstat ?
1149442;1433131730;mircea_popescu;decimation the jet is merely a derivative work off hobbysts stuff
1149443;1433131731;decimation;in fact if you would have zapped an f-35 back to kitty hawk, nc the wright brothers would have just given up
1149444;1433131735;mircea_popescu;in this case, henry coanda.
1149445;1433131760;mircea_popescu;decimation o, they would, would they ?
1149446;1433131763;decimation;'derivative' in the sense that the wright flyer had almost zero in common, other than they were both flying things
1149447;1433131815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00033067 = 15.1778 BTC [+] {2} 
1149448;1433131820;mircea_popescu;i said coanda
1149449;1433131916;decimation;the wright brothers almost immediately began selling to usg
1149450;1433131921;decimation;who else is gonna pay for the sun
1149451;1433133064;hanbot;hey mod6 well done on the foundation report. clearly & intelligibly conveys the ample and useful work being done.
1149452;1433133401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50232 @ 0.00033596 = 16.8759 BTC [+] {2} 
1149453;1433133477;mircea_popescu;;;google  1 exahash
1149454;1433133478;gribble;What does one exahash look like? | StandardCrypto: <http://blog.standardcrypto.com/2013/09/17/what-does-one-exahash-look-like/>; BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before June ...: <https://bitbet.us/bet/1074/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-1-exahash-s-before/>; BitcoinBrothers - GetHashing Crypto Community Forum: (1 more message)
1149455;1433133485;mircea_popescu;win
1149456;1433135048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62850 @ 0.00033897 = 21.3043 BTC [+] {4} 
1149457;1433135732;mod6;thx hanbot :]
1149458;1433135963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00034015 = 7.1432 BTC [+]
1149459;1433136756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00033335 = 5.0503 BTC [-] {2} 
1149460;1433138281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00034015 = 13.9121 BTC [+]
1149461;1433138464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00033201 = 14.874 BTC [-]
1149462;1433139380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00034015 = 7.2622 BTC [+]
1149463;1433139867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55077 @ 0.00033039 = 18.1969 BTC [-] {3} 
1149464;1433142080;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/Free_Ross/status/605177614282715137
1149465;1433142308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27539 @ 0.00032955 = 9.0755 BTC [-]
1149466;1433143364;mats;i miss assbot titles
1149467;1433144138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20891 @ 0.00032937 = 6.8809 BTC [-] {2} 
1149468;1433144426;mats;http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx
1149469;1433144720;mats;http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/30/no-women-pass-army-ranger-school-three-invited-to-start-over.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm
1149470;1433145307;BingoBoingo;!up chalbersma
1149471;1433145319;BingoBoingo;!up liquidassets
1149472;1433145571;liquidassets;;;rate BingoBoingo leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
1149473;1433145572;gribble;Error: 'leader' is not a valid integer.
1149474;1433145632;liquidassets;;;rate BingoBoingo 1 leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
1149475;1433145633;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1149476;1433145634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00032792 = 4.6148 BTC [-]
1149477;1433145655;liquidassets;!h
1149478;1433145655;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1149479;1433145898;chalbersma;Hello all. It's been too long.
1149480;1433146424;BingoBoingo;It really has
1149481;1433146427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00033992 = 20.0213 BTC [+] {2} 
1149482;1433146571;chalbersma;How have things been?
1149483;1433146992;scoopbot_revived;Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement http://qntra.net/2015/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2015-statement/
1149484;1433146996;BingoBoingo;not too bad
1149485;1433147005;chalbersma;Good to hear.
1149486;1433147092;liquidassets;chalbersma can you tell me about atc P2Pool ?
1149487;1433147109;chalbersma;Sure what do you wish to know?
1149488;1433147338;BingoBoingo;!UP liquidassets
1149489;1433147349;liquidassets;thanks
1149490;1433147484;liquidassets; chalbersma mining is foreign to me, do you make the nodes? how do you become a client?
1149491;1433147562;liquidassets;!s ATC
1149492;1433147563;assbot;1216 results for 'ATC' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ATC
1149493;1433147592;chalbersma;So with P2Pool the idea is that you will run a mining "pool" that share's it's load with other mining "pools". There a cryptographic chain keeping track of work so that you can't cheat or mine a block and then keep it. So in the end instead of having one centralized plae where all the mining work is kept you get the benefits of the pool with bitcoin like decentralization.
1149494;1433147644;chalbersma;In this case I forked the bitcoin p2pool implementation (https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool) added a better interface and ported it over to ATC pool (under the hoods it're really just a couple of lines).
1149495;1433147698;chalbersma;Think is I don't think that anybody is actually using ATC P2Pool implementation anymore. The contract for the build had 1 month of runtime and then MP and Ragnar I believe ran the p2pool node for a while. But ATC didn't seem to catch on that much.
1149496;1433147763;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << Mining with chainhoppers became untenable
1149497;1433147841;chalbersma;Yes at the time they had a big problem with the network effect. Difficulty had skyrocketed because of some market movement that made it (temporarily) more profitable to mine than bitcoin.
1149498;1433147945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33674 @ 0.00034015 = 11.4542 BTC [+]
1149499;1433148071;BingoBoingo;Well, it was just the difficulty cycling. For a while it was manageable, but eventually swings were uncontainable
1149500;1433148094;liquidassets;thanks for sharing, so what was unique about the fork, just the interface?
1149501;1433148122;BingoBoingo;Oh it was pretty much just bitcoin with some different numbers
1149502;1433148183;chalbersma;Fork of P2Pool or ATC?
1149503;1433148311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0003333 = 2.8664 BTC [-]
1149504;1433148522;chalbersma;!btc
1149505;1433148552;liquidassets;What is ATC I can't find a reference
1149506;1433148640;liquidassets;So ATC is a specific pool of miners?
1149507;1433148730;BingoBoingo;liquidassets: ATC was... Altcoin
1149508;1433148750;BingoBoingo;atc.blockr.io
1149509;1433148781;liquidassets;an altcoin named Altcoin?
1149510;1433148799;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1149511;1433148860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54533 @ 0.0003333 = 18.1758 BTC [-]
1149512;1433148920;chalbersma;yep
1149513;1433148945;mats;so meta
1149514;1433148971;liquidassets;so you're responsible
1149515;1433148978;liquidassets;j/k
1149516;1433149104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00034015 = 1.9048 BTC [+]
1149517;1433149839;punkman;asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
1149518;1433149903;punkman;and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
1149519;1433150712;cazalla;lol australian housing bubble keeps on going.. place not far from here auctioned on weekend.. i figured it'd go for 600k maybe 650k.. sells for 971k http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-ringwood-119702667
1149520;1433151204;BingoBoingo;3 bed, 2 bath?
1149521;1433151244;cazalla;what.. one million isn't reasonable for that?
1149522;1433151511;BingoBoingo;In this part of USia a freestanding house of that size would more prominently be advertsising... vast tracts of land...
1149523;1433151565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71250 @ 0.00034042 = 24.2549 BTC [+] {3} 
1149524;1433151631;cazalla;prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
1149525;1433151992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15723 @ 0.0003333 = 5.2405 BTC [-]
1149526;1433152175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00032904 = 13.0135 BTC [-] {2} 
1149527;1433152383;BingoBoingo;Ah, stamp collecting
1149528;1433152865;scoopbot_revived;A sunnier side of Narcissus. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/01/a-sunnier-side-of-narcissus/
1149529;1433153394;scoopbot_revived;Foundation Report Bring Bitcoin Client Performance Improvement and Testing http://qntra.net/2015/06/foundation-report-bring-bitcoin-client-performance-improvement-and-testing/
1149530;1433153517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8126 @ 0.000329 = 2.6735 BTC [-]
1149531;1433154066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00032819 = 6.4982 BTC [-]
1149532;1433154127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12801 @ 0.00032835 = 4.2032 BTC [+] {2} 
1149533;1433154493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00033038 = 9.8288 BTC [+] {2} 
1149534;1433155029;punkman;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/malaysia-airlines-technically-bankrupt-after-twin-air-disasters-spur-thousands-of-job-losses-10288533.html
1149535;1433155627;jurov;http://www.edwards.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2015/03/150322-F-EU155-480.jpg lol around here "aircraft" denotes ponzi or sketchy enterprise
1149536;1433155925;jurov;!mpif
1149537;1433155926;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1149538;1433155931;jurov;! m f.mpif
1149539;1433155935;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1149540;1433155935;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)
1149541;1433155981;jurov;;;calc 21372/1.01
1149542;1433155981;gribble;21160.3960396
1149543;1433155986;jurov;;;calc 21372*1.01
1149544;1433155986;gribble;21585.72
1149545;1433159530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35813 @ 0.00033192 = 11.8871 BTC [+]
1149546;1433160169;scoopbot_revived;The sexual chains that bind. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/01/the-sexual-chains-that-bind/
1149547;1433160445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4507 @ 0.00033192 = 1.496 BTC [+]
1149548;1433161177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79644 @ 0.00032717 = 26.0571 BTC [-] {2} 
1149549;1433161665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45908 @ 0.00032898 = 15.1028 BTC [+] {2} 
1149550;1433161726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52792 @ 0.00033607 = 17.7418 BTC [+]
1149551;1433161922;jurov;deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201505.txt.asc
1149552;1433161982;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1149553;1433162043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.0003263 = 8.1086 BTC [-]
1149554;1433162226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41521 @ 0.00033616 = 13.9577 BTC [+] {3} 
1149555;1433162714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00034236 = 13.5232 BTC [+] {2} 
1149556;1433162836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00032481 = 2.6634 BTC [-] {2} 
1149557;1433163205;scoopbot_revived;F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement
1149558;1433163673;mircea_popescu;lol ddosing trilema etc, srsly ?
1149559;1433163675;mircea_popescu;noobs.
1149560;1433164418;BingoBoingo;!up devthedev
1149561;1433164601;BingoBoingo;!s RNG
1149562;1433164602;assbot;378 results for 'RNG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=RNG
1149563;1433165230;BingoBoingo;!up bitcoinalpha
1149564;1433165271;bitcoinalpha;mircea popescu is a lowlife scumbag
1149565;1433165276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00034005 = 26.6089 BTC [+] {3} 
1149566;1433165311;mircea_popescu;herp ?
1149567;1433165404;bitcoinalpha;what are you going to do about gavincoin?
1149568;1433165439;mircea_popescu;not give a shit ?
1149569;1433165454;mircea_popescu;same thing i did about doge, keisercoin, auroracoin, younameitcoin
1149570;1433165502;mircea_popescu;bitcoin has no shortage of satoshi impersonators trying to push scamcoins.
1149571;1433165554;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149468 << clearly they were armored o.O
1149572;1433165554;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 07:40:26; mats: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx
1149573;1433165589;bitcoinalpha;mircea: comment about the 30% price decline ?
1149574;1433165593;bitcoinalpha;since jan 1
1149575;1433165624;mircea_popescu;i think reddit awaits you.
1149576;1433165627;mircea_popescu;!down bitcoinalpha
1149577;1433165750;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149466 << yeah, they were useful.
1149578;1433165750;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 07:22:44; mats: i miss assbot titles
1149579;1433165884;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149517 << as ruined by gavin & co, yes.
1149580;1433165884;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 09:10:39; punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
1149581;1433165909;mircea_popescu;but they were disallowed from actually taking the next step, ie, make blocks unverifiable.
1149582;1433165918;mircea_popescu;atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to.
1149583;1433165946;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149518 << obviously, you can't use the scam bitcoind versions for this purpose.
1149584;1433165946;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 09:11:43; punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
1149585;1433166008;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149524 << pretty much exactly. argentine housing bubble is supported by the fact that locals can't get their money out, so they buy real estate "for investment", ie, way overpriced.
1149586;1433166008;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 09:40:31; cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
1149587;1433166177;punkman;mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to. << has anyone actually accomplished this? verify every single transaction and block to date?
1149588;1433166185;mircea_popescu;yes.
1149589;1433166205;mircea_popescu;get say the foundation bitcoin, do it yourself.
1149590;1433166224;punkman;my test was with foundation bitcoind before the release though
1149591;1433166234;punkman;maybe I had wrong openssl version, dunno
1149592;1433166274;mircea_popescu;which was this ?
1149593;1433166374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034289 = 10.321 BTC [+]
1149594;1433166389;punkman;which this?
1149595;1433166494;mircea_popescu;" foundation bitcoind before the release"
1149596;1433166669;punkman;I think I put in all the patches currently listed on thebitcoin.foundation front page, except perhaps static-makefile.tar.gz. And used whatever openssl etc that was present on my debian7 system.
1149597;1433166728;punkman;0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't verify everything, needs removal of the conditional that skips blocks
1149598;1433166740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38003 @ 0.00032128 = 12.2096 BTC [-] {2} 
1149599;1433166784;punkman;!up shinohai
1149600;1433166797;shinohai;thx punkman
1149601;1433166862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20447 @ 0.00031823 = 6.5068 BTC [-]
1149602;1433166914;shinohai;mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
1149603;1433167072;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Is the qntra server under DoS?
1149604;1433167077;mircea_popescu;yeah
1149605;1433167145;mircea_popescu;256 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers
1149606;1433167145;mircea_popescu;RWWRWCRWWWRWCWWRCWCCCWWCWRRRCWWWWWCCWCCCWWCRCWWWWCCWRWWWRRWCRRWC
1149607;1433167145;mircea_popescu;RWRWRWWWWRRRRCWWWCCRRWCWWWRRWRRWRRWCWCWRWWRRWRWRRWRRCWRCRWCCWRRW
1149608;1433167145;mircea_popescu;CWRRCWRWRCRRWRWWWWWCCCWRCWWWWWWRWCRWWCRRWCRRWCWWWRWRCWCRCCWCRRWW
1149609;1433167145;mircea_popescu;RWWWRWWRWRRCWCRWCWWWCCWRWRWCCWRCWWRCWWWRWWRRWWCWWCRCRWRWRCCWCCCW
1149610;1433167147;mircea_popescu;sorta deal >D
1149611;1433167184;BingoBoingo;ah
1149612;1433167204;mircea_popescu;anyway, server's fine, just slow.
1149613;1433167210;mircea_popescu;i prefer this, because it drains the attacker.
1149614;1433167222;mircea_popescu;and besides... servers made for workin neh ? 100% capacity ftw.
1149615;1433167272;mircea_popescu;142 requests/sec sounds pretty good anyway.
1149616;1433167281;BingoBoingo;Ah, cool
1149617;1433167387;shinohai;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/595601619581964289   <<< the smacktardedness spreads
1149618;1433167425;mircea_popescu;check it out, lazar revived.
1149619;1433167472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00031817 = 21.4924 BTC [-] {2} 
1149620;1433168130;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149602 << and kept what? the hardcoded ip seeds, of which 2 or 3 are alive? the hardcoded dns seeds, controlled by the enemy? srsly
1149621;1433168130;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 13:55:14; shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
1149622;1433168148;asciilifeform;the irc mechanism is perhaps the only built-in seed thing worth keeping
1149623;1433168176;shinohai;No one has given me any "trusted" nodes yet.
1149624;1433168190;asciilifeform;shinohai: irc gives next best thing: 100% pre-gavinization nodes
1149625;1433168207;shinohai;how does that work?
1149626;1433168219;asciilifeform;shinohai: irc seeding was snipped from the gavin branch long ago
1149627;1433168257;shinohai;I know it was removed, but when I last spoke to mod6 I think he told me to just connect normally for now
1149628;1433168271;asciilifeform;what is 'normally' ?
1149629;1433168301;shinohai;To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's
1149630;1433168359;shinohai;But yes, I see the point. Perhaps irc is the best way to find non-gavinized nodes.
1149631;1433168423;asciilifeform;currently best.
1149632;1433168474;asciilifeform;stands to reason that once enemy engages he'll begin to spam the remaining irc seed chans - or even backport mechanism to his branch
1149633;1433168484;asciilifeform;but at present time this has not happened.
1149634;1433168514;shinohai;So is it possible to change the *network* it connects to, to one under your control ?
1149635;1433168525;shinohai;Or is that a moot point
1149636;1433168625;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/irc.cpp#0270
1149637;1433168685;asciilifeform;go, change.
1149638;1433168690;asciilifeform;!up shinohai
1149639;1433168704;shinohai;I have that same line already ?
1149640;1433168713;asciilifeform;well yes
1149641;1433168726;asciilifeform;but question was 'how to change network it connects to', no ?
1149642;1433168782;shinohai;Twas a theoretical question, supposing the original network is spammed/compromised.
1149643;1433168921;*;shinohai reverts changes
1149644;1433169374;jurov;deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150601/attachment_9bdc72d1f44647c3690340d290b4d0eeeae8b794.txt http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150531/attachment_fbcbdbbbf27cc9ec17055e2635cb71abc6c6c05a.txt
1149645;1433169494;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1149646;1433169494;jurov;deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150531/attachment_fbcbdbbbf27cc9ec17055e2635cb71abc6c6c05a.txt
1149647;1433169554;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1149648;1433169554;jurov;deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150601/attachment_9bdc72d1f44647c3690340d290b4d0eeeae8b794.txt
1149649;1433169614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54624 @ 0.00031571 = 17.2453 BTC [-] {3} 
1149650;1433169614;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1149651;1433169614;jurov;williamdunne: it can perhaps accept multiple urls
1149652;1433169614;jurov;mod6, good job with the report!
1149653;1433169730;jurov;http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-01-21-13-14.txt wow what????
1149654;1433169790;jurov;"This is to certify that any person with a WoT account in assbot's L2 list that can show proof their property was confiscated through the direct or indirect workings of the soi-dissant "Executive Order" issued April 1st, 2015 by the criminal group illegally misidentifying itself as "government of the United States" will receive a 1 (one) Bitcoin compensation on the spot
1149655;1433169790;jurov;and as progressing confiscation and dispossession of real estates, chattels and intangibles currently held without right by the aforementioned criminal group allows, further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred.
1149656;1433169790;jurov;"
1149657;1433169790;*;mircea_popescu waves
1149658;1433169791;shinohai;O.o
1149659;1433169947;davout;!up Relos
1149660;1433169966;Relos;thanks
1149661;1433169968;jurov;!up referredbyloper
1149662;1433169976;Relos;how do you guys propose to increase the node count?
1149663;1433169999;davout;Relos: you have some log reading to do obviously
1149664;1433170001;jurov;Relos are you aware of pogoplug development?
1149665;1433170003;davout;!s pogo
1149666;1433170004;assbot;491 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
1149667;1433170025;davout;Relos: come back when you've investigated that
1149668;1433170029;davout;bye!
1149669;1433170032;davout;!down Relos
1149670;1433170038;mircea_popescu;!up Landgull
1149671;1433170086;Landgull;Thanks. So is someone seriously trying to DDOS a philosophy blog?
1149672;1433170099;Landgull;Isn't that, essentially, an admission that you're right?
1149673;1433170102;jurov;davout hasn't waken up well?
1149674;1433170131;williamdunne;jurov: I don't own Deedbot
1149675;1433170143;jurov;williamdunne: sorry, mixed it up
1149676;1433170154;williamdunne;Thats fine:)
1149677;1433170162;davout;jurov: no no, it's just some guy that was asking questions about "what's mpex proposing regarding block size", told him to come ask, now he has some elements of answer
1149678;1433170171;jurov;Landgull don't feed mircea's ego, it's big enough already :DD
1149679;1433170187;mod6;thx jurov :]
1149680;1433170203;shinohai;140k blocks to go ....
1149681;1433170211;Landgull;Hey, I didn't say he was right - just that someone with a botnet thinks he's right.
1149682;1433170228;jurov;lolk
1149683;1433170254;Landgull;Also: Remarkably apropos that such an executive order would be on April 1st...
1149684;1433170317;referredbyloper;Thinking about this block size discussion in light of  this text "The cancer of bureaucracy: How it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else" http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/index.php?s=The%20cancer%20of%20bureaucracy:%20how%20it%20will%20destroy%20science,%20medicine,%20education;%20and%20eventually%20everything%20else
1149685;1433170377;jurov;"Could not connect to the database: User 'scimag_read' has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 40)"
1149686;1433170434;mod6;<+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch?  Or did I mis-remember that?  you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
1149687;1433170518;referredbyloper;mirrir link to pdf http://lib.gen.in/ocean/a16368dc50de93109e329b253cc51f44/10.1016%40j.mehy.2009.11.038.pdf  or http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2009.11.038
1149688;1433170638;mircea_popescu;Landgull the internet consists among other things of millions of unparented children.
1149689;1433170638;mircea_popescu;they still need parenting, even if nobody can be arsed to provide for them. so they beg as best they can.
1149690;1433170638;mod6;!up shinohai
1149691;1433170638;mod6;eh, i must be stale again
1149692;1433170638;Landgull;Well sure, but kids don't waste their time on things they don't care about. You don't see them pulling pigtails because they think a girl is ugly.
1149693;1433170680;mircea_popescu;i would guess it'd depend just how desperate they are.
1149694;1433170727;Landgull;Eh, anyone who has tried to censor tends to find themselves outlived by the works they're trying to censor, if history is any guide.
1149695;1433170760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 168 @ 0.006 = 1.008 BTC [-]
1149696;1433170780;mircea_popescu;this is more like the equivalent of dog sniffing.
1149697;1433170792;mircea_popescu;it figures it owes it to itself to come sniff you because hey, IT EXISTS!!1
1149698;1433170812;mircea_popescu;did you think it didn't exist ? don't you DARE THINK IT DOESNT EXIST OMYGAWD!!1
1149699;1433170813;mircea_popescu;etc.
1149700;1433170819;Landgull;Ahh.
1149701;1433170942;Landgull;At any rate, I've been reading the logs for a bit and I like the kind of discussion that seems to happen in here, so I thought I'd say hi.
1149702;1433171017;mircea_popescu;cool.
1149703;1433171161;shinohai;This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.
1149704;1433171326;Landgull;Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
1149705;1433171993;BingoBoingo;!up Landgull
1149706;1433172098;Landgull;Thanks.
1149707;1433172163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00033088 = 6.1875 BTC [+]
1149708;1433172285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00033145 = 16.1582 BTC [+] {2} 
1149709;1433172339;jurov;!t m s.mpoe
1149710;1433172339;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030494 / 0.00032685 / 0.00034289 (2527042 shares, 825.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00027782 / 0.0003109 / 0.00035229 (23430932 shares, 7,284.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026678 / 0.00035229 (133425037 shares, 35,596.45 BTC)
1149711;1433172712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193141 @ 0.0003399 = 65.6486 BTC [+] {4} 
1149712;1433172773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17459 @ 0.00034373 = 6.0012 BTC [+]
1149713;1433173214;Landgull;So why is it that all of the sudden I'm hearing about people wanting to put everything and their cat in the blockchain? Is it actually a good idea, or is it just a way to attack/overwhelm the network?
1149714;1433174097;mircea_popescu;this isn't new.
1149715;1433175332;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: drowning
1149716;1433175336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00032996 = 13.9913 BTC [-] {2} 
1149717;1433175397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.0003243 = 2.0421 BTC [-]
1149718;1433176068;trinque;Landgull: dunno about everything and their cat, but putting cryptographic hashes in the blockchain is a marvelous idea
1149719;1433176678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00033413 = 2.6126 BTC [+]
1149720;1433178441;thestringpuller;the redditards are clusterfucking into a pitchfork mob now?!?
1149721;1433178813;BingoBoingo;nah, they are pitchfuckingforks into a clustermob.
1149722;1433178952;williamdunne;They're square-jerking circular-pitchforks in the middle of a Block Chain authenticated cluster-chain
1149723;1433179097;danielpbarron;!up shinohai
1149724;1433179141;shinohai;o/ danielpbarron
1149725;1433179164;danielpbarron;hi who are you?
1149726;1433179209;shinohai;Just a random user that has chosen his side on this silly BS increase war.
1149727;1433179224;thestringpuller;not a war yet
1149728;1433179228;thestringpuller;but axetime soon
1149729;1433179248;shinohai;I like to be prepared for all contingencies.
1149730;1433179259;thestringpuller;well only new fork coins will take losses.
1149731;1433179270;thestringpuller;cause old coin can be cloned to the fork
1149732;1433179369;shinohai;I "almost" have a node up.
1149733;1433179424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00031865 = 25.3327 BTC [-] {4} 
1149734;1433179550;BingoBoingo;!up hulkhogan_
1149735;1433179558;BingoBoingo;!up joesmoe
1149736;1433179622;shinohai;qntra.net is back up for me \o/
1149737;1433180313;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.shinohai.1:90bf716226dda3c5a21ef3c856b0cbdefbf7e153a88a194e3cfcce9da785f377
1149738;1433180313;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: fresh meat bitcoind hacker
1149739;1433180476;shinohai;xD
1149740;1433180482;shinohai;thanks
1149741;1433180579;williamdunne;You're now in L2 of Assbot and can !up yourself
1149742;1433180624;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1149743;1433180628;danielpbarron;!up bitcoinfailed
1149744;1433180642;jurov;shinohai: don't forget other goodies like put deeds, send email to btc-dev mailing list (once it syncs with assbot)
1149745;1433180722;bitcoinfailed;is anyone even trading on the mpex exchange?
1149746;1433180726;bitcoinfailed;or is it still just bots and mircea
1149747;1433180749;bitcoinfailed;why did mpex stop listing calls/puts?
1149748;1433180758;danielpbarron;i think there's a blog post about that
1149749;1433180769;danielpbarron;why don't you go and read the log
1149750;1433180774;bitcoinfailed;from pornographer popescu
1149751;1433180781;bitcoinfailed;why dont you fuck off and tell me instead.
1149752;1433180784;bitcoinfailed;that what the chat for
1149753;1433180786;danielpbarron;!down bitcoinfailed
1149754;1433180791;ben_vulpes;!up bitcoinfailed
1149755;1433180795;danielpbarron;lol
1149756;1433180796;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged
1149757;1433180796;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch?  Or did I mis-remember that?  you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
1149758;1433180797;ben_vulpes;tiberius, is that you?
1149759;1433180810;shinohai;np jurov, I signed up for mailing list last week
1149760;1433180842;mod6; <+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged << it wasn't. but I had him apply it while helping him get setup.
1149761;1433180842;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch?  Or did I mis-remember that?  you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
1149762;1433180941;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes heh just you wait till kid actually showis up.
1149763;1433180945;mircea_popescu;cazalla has the scoop on that
1149764;1433180971;mod6;He was running deb8 on one box, and then stock v0.5.3.1-RELEASE worked fine. but on a seperate instance of deb8, he reported the boost type issues, so I had him follow these instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html
1149765;1433181031;mod6;Then it was working well as far as I know.
1149766;1433181031;ascii_field;mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet.
1149767;1433181091;mircea_popescu;jeez check out the butthurt with the redditard crowd.
1149768;1433181105;mircea_popescu;nobody's fault you don't matter, peeps. talk to urmoms.
1149769;1433181124;ascii_field;wai wat
1149770;1433181147;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what are you reading?
1149771;1433181155;jurov;whole r/bitcoin is like let's move to bitcoin-xt
1149772;1433181163;mircea_popescu;teh log
1149773;1433181184;thestringpuller;yea. everyone is lining up to suck Gavin's dick more eagerly.
1149774;1433181203;thestringpuller;denial before acceptance tho mr. popescu
1149775;1433181217;ascii_field;let'em move to gavincoin, dogecoin, feathercoin
1149776;1433181220;ascii_field;why is this of concern to us ?
1149777;1433181234;thestringpuller;ascii_field: it's entertaining.
1149778;1433181268;mircea_popescu;i think ipmi is the most retarded thing ever invented
1149779;1433181279;mod6;<+ascii_field> mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet. << ahh corret.
1149780;1433181282;*;williamdunne checks, and sees exactly 15 bitcoin-xt nodes
1149781;1433181283;mircea_popescu;"let's make web interface for luser home routers a thing for servers"
1149782;1433181283;mod6;*correct
1149783;1433181287;*;williamdunne lel
1149784;1433181318;*;williamdunne points at cpanel, sorry Mr.Popescu, your billion dollar idea has already been done! Its magical!
1149785;1433181329;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's a mandatory usg rapehole; the remote admin thing is just a way to squeeze a bit of marketing juice out of it, since it is already there
1149786;1433181350;mircea_popescu;mandatory how
1149787;1433181375;ascii_field;try buy intel box with ecc support (read: xeon) without it.
1149788;1433181398;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with colocate box with the thing smashed.
1149789;1433181417;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: recent 'xeons' won't init unless thing is on the bus and functioning
1149790;1433181424;ascii_field;this was discussed here in the past
1149791;1433181442;mircea_popescu;apparently i've not been paying attention.
1149792;1433181450;mircea_popescu;anywya
1149793;1433181471;williamdunne;Couldn't this be partially solved with a rather stringent firewall policy (off-machine ofc)
1149794;1433181499;mircea_popescu;obviously machine won't listen to you.
1149795;1433181514;mircea_popescu;what's off machine, another machine ?
1149796;1433181526;williamdunne;mYeah, but one not running the same shit
1149797;1433181530;ascii_field;not to mention the fact that it hijacks your nics
1149798;1433181544;ascii_field;and that it is far from certain what precisely the magic packet looks like
1149799;1433181552;mircea_popescu;if you have one not running thre same shit just run that then
1149800;1433181571;jurov;williamdunne: it could accept perfectly ordinary tcp packet
1149801;1433181578;williamdunne;Hardware firewall doesn't run web servers too well..
1149802;1433181609;ascii_field;jurov: sure. i was trying to point out that the answer 'well firewall it off' is not a pill against this kind of thing
1149803;1433181636;williamdunne;So when are we buying those Russian servers?
1149804;1433181691;mircea_popescu;heh
1149805;1433181704;trinque;the steam computer?
1149806;1433181713;mircea_popescu;lol williamdunne owns #bitcoin-xt ?
1149807;1433181833;ascii_field;williamdunne: afaik they are not sold to public.
1149808;1433181851;ascii_field;but to 'k00l k1dz' only
1149809;1433181855;mircea_popescu;i didn't find a supplier.
1149810;1433181860;williamdunne;I do indeed
1149811;1433181864;ascii_field;afaik nobody's found a supplier.
1149812;1433181887;williamdunne;Hence "For discussion of the bitcoin-xt potentialt"
1149813;1433181895;williamdunne;Cheeky joke in the end there
1149814;1433181907;ascii_field;when do we get 'bitcoin-at' ?
1149815;1433181932;williamdunne;After bitcoin-bh
1149816;1433182061;jurov;no, bitcoin-jr
1149817;1433182066;jurov;:DDD
1149818;1433182087;mircea_popescu;lol
1149819;1433182112;ascii_field;bitcoin-64
1149820;1433182495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50667 @ 0.00031932 = 16.179 BTC [+] {2} 
1149821;1433182757;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1149822;1433183316;mircea_popescu;!h
1149823;1433183316;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1149824;1433183784;williamdunne;Its really amazing what we can do with proper scientific procedures..
1149825;1433183784;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1149826;1433183786;williamdunne;http://www.financialexpress.com/article/industry/and-the-stinkiest-people-in-europe-are-french/78441/
1149827;1433183846;williamdunne;"And the ‘stinkiest’ people in Europe are French
1149828;1433183846;williamdunne;A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
1149829;1433183906;jurov;lol they prolly didn't do the study in central/eastern eu
1149830;1433183960;williamdunne;Facebook has added PGP support..
1149831;1433183961;williamdunne;http://thehackernews.com/2015/06/facebook-pgp-keys.html
1149832;1433184021;jurov;"All the emails you receive from Facebook will be protected with encryption, ensuring that no one — even NSA or any other spy agency — can read the content of the messages without the access to your private key." rofl
1149833;1433184021;trinque;...what
1149834;1433184047;mircea_popescu;o.O
1149835;1433184052;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-a-reviled-african-ruler-survived-a-coup-hatched-in-the-united-states/2015/05/31/a9fc1772-0485-11e5-8bda-c7b4e9a8f7ac_story.html
1149836;1433184112;trinque;so facebook is a keyserver now
1149837;1433184112;jurov;http://vaide.ro/craiova-izoleaza-termic-gardul-cimitirului/ << related
1149838;1433184172;mats;USG discovers american citizens involved in foreign, would-be coup, decides to sell them out to local security rather than dealing with it themselves
1149839;1433184233;ascii_field;mats: i distinctly recall hearing of this before
1149840;1433184245;ascii_field;in one of the old 'failed micronations' threads
1149841;1433184294;williamdunne;Lol, confirmed
1149842;1433184295;williamdunne;http://imgur.com/a/cRzeN
1149843;1433184355;williamdunne;Yeah, its a keyserver now..
1149844;1433184355;ascii_field;usg reserves some of its fastest and least-bureaucratized immune reactions for mutinies which might attract u.s. 'men of action'
1149845;1433184355;williamdunne;But yeah, like thats going to combat the NSA
1149846;1433184358;williamdunne;Keyserver thing could be ...kinda useful I guess?
1149847;1433184495;*;williamdunne has just been flagged to NSA by facebook as someone who uses PGP
1149848;1433184585;mircea_popescu;jurov wait what's that ?
1149849;1433184614;trinque;williamdunne: holy lol @ the idea that them encrypting email to me does *anything*
1149850;1433184629;jurov;mircea_popescu: it's same lulzy "protection" as the facebook gpg stuff
1149851;1433184637;mircea_popescu;ah lol
1149852;1433184644;trinque;what they don't have a database now?
1149853;1433184739;williamdunne;trinque: IKR? Pretending that the NSA isn't already embedded 12 inches in their rectum
1149854;1433184762;trinque;bullshit factory produces bullshit, more at 11
1149855;1433184882;trinque;and then google chrome ships a diddled gpg plugin
1149856;1433184938;*;trinque revels in this new watershed of freedom post-lapse of the patriot act
1149857;1433184939;williamdunne;Which'll require that you import your key..
1149858;1433184949;trinque;of course the browser will need the private key
1149859;1433184951;trinque;for reasons
1149860;1433184960;williamdunne;huehuehue
1149861;1433184966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00031397 = 2.449 BTC [-] {2} 
1149862;1433184985;williamdunne;http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140527021842/oliver-jameson-enterprises/images/f/f4/Stereotype-jew.gif
1149863;1433185045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34889 @ 0.00031356 = 10.9398 BTC [-] {2} 
1149864;1433185045;trinque;d-did the jews do facebook?
1149865;1433185045;williamdunne;Zucker*burg*
1149866;1433185045;trinque;meine got!
1149867;1433185045;trinque;*mein gott
1149868;1433185049;trinque;well now it all makes sense
1149869;1433185072;williamdunne;USG already pays good money to dell and the likes for information on who buys what from them, and what bitcoin addresses are involved in the transaction
1149870;1433185082;williamdunne;So wouldn't be surprised if they just outright buy facebook's data
1149871;1433185107;trinque;why wouldn't they? isn't that what facebook's business is?
1149872;1433185116;trinque;gather sheep, whore them out?
1149873;1433185139;williamdunne;I thought that was the Kiwis?
1149874;1433185148;trinque;ehehehehe
1149875;1433185289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00032477 = 9.2235 BTC [+]
1149876;1433185773;williamdunne;ECUREX bragging about being FATCA compliant, top kek
1149877;1433186021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031339 = 5.0155 BTC [-] {2} 
1149878;1433187187;jurov;mircea_popescu: i see eulora moving, can we talk about release engineering reward?
1149879;1433187206;mircea_popescu;about who ?
1149880;1433187242;jurov;me
1149881;1433187281;mircea_popescu;what is  release engineering reward ?
1149882;1433187308;williamdunne;Compiling binaries?
1149883;1433187314;jurov;putting together somehow mostly-reliably working binaries
1149884;1433187366;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1149885;1433187366;mircea_popescu;yeah, shoot.
1149886;1433187389;williamdunne;Someone is trying to crowdfund £150,000 to open an airport
1149887;1433187389;scoopbot_revived;MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-april-may-2015-combined-statement/
1149888;1433187393;jurov;0.5BTC or 5000 shares per version per platform (linux, osx, windows)
1149889;1433187408;williamdunne;I shit you not
1149890;1433187416;williamdunne;Imma invite them on here
1149891;1433187440;mircea_popescu;!t m s.mg
1149892;1433187440;assbot;[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.00009 / 0.00009 / 0.00009 (103015 shares, 9.27 BTC)
1149893;1433187465;mircea_popescu;easier to give you btc i think. which windowses can you do ?
1149894;1433187487;jurov;vista+
1149895;1433187511;mircea_popescu;which windowses are even around anymore ? brb looking.
1149896;1433187538;jurov;i don't think win compatibility is major problem
1149897;1433187551;jurov;(xp's are really old, tho)
1149898;1433187561;williamdunne;Win compatibility is actually really good tbh
1149899;1433187563;mircea_popescu;Windows 7  58.39%
1149900;1433187563;mircea_popescu;Windows XP  15.93%
1149901;1433187563;mircea_popescu;Windows 8.1  11.16%
1149902;1433187566;mircea_popescu;can you do these 3 ?
1149903;1433187570;chetty;>>> doubts it will run on xp at all
1149904;1433187570;mircea_popescu;or just 7/8 ?
1149905;1433187575;mircea_popescu;!up flyplymouth
1149906;1433187582;williamdunne;Hello flyplymouth
1149907;1433187584;mircea_popescu;flyplymouth you the dude with the 150k airport ?
1149908;1433187592;jurov;will ask my dude what would entail xp compatibility
1149909;1433187592;flyplymouth;well I am one of them
1149910;1433187609;mircea_popescu;you know, tracking radar is about 100x that
1149911;1433187626;mircea_popescu;chetty why ?
1149912;1433187626;williamdunne;http://www.flyplymouth.com/ How about an MPEX listing mircea?
1149913;1433187687;flyplymouth;Recomissioning is circa £30m
1149914;1433187687;mircea_popescu;jurov what about osx ?
1149915;1433187687;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Biggest thing in their favour is that it was an airport that was closed, doesn't need 100% rebuilding
1149916;1433187687;chetty;graphics drivers
1149917;1433187687;mircea_popescu;chetty nvidia tho.
1149918;1433187687;flyplymouth;Put it into context £7bn for rail-link
1149919;1433187687;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1149920;1433187694;williamdunne;flyplymouth: So raise £150,000, then what?
1149921;1433187718;williamdunne;Also, who is involved and how the hell are they qualified to run an airport?
1149922;1433187736;williamdunne;Seems unlikely that someone who wants to run a social-enterprise is qualified to do anything more than make coffee
1149923;1433187743;jurov;mircea_popescu: looks like it can be snow leoprd and newer
1149924;1433187751;flyplymouth;there has already been pledges of funds £20m to date but this cannot e accessed without the business plan being stress tested. We have done this already but has to be stress tested to Heathrow / Gatwick standards to access serious money (e.g Government etc)
1149925;1433187757;mircea_popescu;jurov which one is that, 7.x ?
1149926;1433187773;mircea_popescu;flyplymouth hoiw is a business planb stress testedf ?
1149927;1433187774;flyplymouth;Ha ha. Social Enterprises take a lot of rap.
1149928;1433187778;jurov;10.6
1149929;1433187808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 9900 @ 0.00111 = 10.989 BTC
1149930;1433187816;jurov;7.x is powerpc era :) that would be like another platform completely
1149931;1433187822;flyplymouth;Stress test the business model to see if passenger numbers stack up and ticket prices.
1149932;1433187825;mircea_popescu;jurov ok, so then osx 10.10, win 7 and win 8.1 to start ?
1149933;1433187830;jurov;ok
1149934;1433187842;mircea_popescu;addy ?
1149935;1433187850;jurov;and 64bit linux, no?
1149936;1433187864;williamdunne;flyplymouth: In comparison to Exeter how big was Plymouth? Exeter is kinda shit. I prefer just to go to London something
1149937;1433187874;mircea_popescu;jurov these first.
1149938;1433187885;jurov;ok
1149939;1433187897;mircea_popescu;64/32 bit linux later for the noobs, but give sane people a chance to make their stuff first.
1149940;1433187914;jurov;1AByKSJ5JUPDhq19xYehNixB1RoM75UX93
1149941;1433187949;flyplymouth;The business model is completey different from Exeter. To be fair Exeter do quite a good job for its size. We'll be smaller planes as a 'connecting airport' so you won't initially get many holiday destinations but it would connect into key cities and hubs.
1149942;1433187992;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Key cities in.... UK or abroad? Tourism isn't much of a concern
1149943;1433188000;flyplymouth;Also we will have some Fixed Based Operators onsite which absorb alot of the running costs.
1149944;1433188023;williamdunne;flyplymouth: And I know business model is different, I meant more along the lines of bandwidth, plane size etc
1149945;1433188032;mircea_popescu;i still don't understand what stress testing a business plan involves.
1149946;1433188042;williamdunne;Super complex simulations
1149947;1433188047;williamdunne;You wouldn't understand MP
1149948;1433188052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 437 @ 0.00239989 = 1.0488 BTC [-]
1149949;1433188056;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
1149950;1433188060;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_has_newz
1149951;1433188062;flyplymouth;Business Model so far works on Manchester, London, Glasgow, Dublin (connect to us), Amsterdam. We have submitted 10 destinations for passenger numbers which come back viable.
1149952;1433188069;cazalla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0PYPXAV.txt
1149953;1433188130;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1149954;1433188130;mircea_popescu;flyplymouth isn't that primarily an airline concern ?
1149955;1433188130;ascii_has_newz;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F31C79912C1899F639860FCC37F4789264841127A6F8AED81C73A222D9080A2 << google employee, magic-keyed
1149956;1433188190;trinque;oh shit
1149957;1433188190;mircea_popescu;o.O
1149958;1433188190;flyplymouth;Where Plymouth got into trouble in the past was it was reliant on BA flights. We'll set up the flights directly
1149959;1433188190;mircea_popescu;...
1149960;1433188190;ascii_has_newz;can't recall if he was one of the magic 98 or not
1149961;1433188190;williamdunne;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow
1149962;1433188250;ascii_has_newz;possibly manually submitted iey
1149963;1433188250;ascii_has_newz;key
1149964;1433188250;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Not sure how that works, so I won't comment. Anyhow. How do you stress test a business plan?
1149965;1433188250;mircea_popescu;ascii_has_newz yeah he was
1149966;1433188250;mircea_popescu;#19-21
1149967;1433188250;ascii_has_newz;aha ok
1149968;1433188250;*;williamdunne thinks bringing a business plan here is the best stress test available
1149969;1433188250;mircea_popescu;flyplymouth so wait you're going to be like, an airline with an airport ?
1149970;1433188250;williamdunne;More like an airport with a pet airline I think
1149971;1433188250;williamdunne;Or maybe flogs flight paths off to airlines?
1149972;1433188260;flyplymouth;In aviation terms, they will review passenger journeys to see how many people travelled from Plymouth to the destinations, they will look at plane types and prices paid and give you a report back on whether your calculations make sense.
1149973;1433188274;mircea_popescu;!up Landgull
1149974;1433188282;mircea_popescu;!rate Landgull 1 new bloods
1149975;1433188282;assbot;Landgull is not registered in WoT.
1149976;1433188289;mircea_popescu;Landgull get in the wot already
1149977;1433188294;Landgull;I'm registered with gribble.
1149978;1433188302;Landgull;Do I need to re-register with assbot?
1149979;1433188339;williamdunne;No, you need to register with ass also
1149980;1433188344;*;mats fires up the gas grill
1149981;1433188347;Landgull;Aha.
1149982;1433188349;williamdunne;flyplymouth: So, why do you need funding to do this?
1149983;1433188360;jurov;Landgull if you regged with btc addy, assbot did not pick you
1149984;1433188368;Landgull;I registered with GPG key.
1149985;1433188383;williamdunne;flyplymouth: (The stress testing)
1149986;1433188385;mircea_popescu;Landgull when ?
1149987;1433188391;flyplymouth;Before you can attract airlines you need to demonstrate passenger demand. There are models used around the UK which almost charter planes to use as an airline. If you have demand / good seat occupancy it works well. This happens in a lot of airports around the UK but planes are badged with other airlines.
1149988;1433188403;Landgull;About two weeks ago.
1149989;1433188418;mircea_popescu;!h
1149990;1433188418;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1149991;1433188422;mircea_popescu;Landgull ^ see there.
1149992;1433188428;mircea_popescu;flyplymouth how much does one of these checks cost ?
1149993;1433188464;williamdunne;flyplymouth: And do you not think you could attract some actual investment if this wasn't a social enterprise?
1149994;1433188484;flyplymouth;If you are using your own money to reopen the airport, you can just go ahead and open it. But to access money which is not repayable, whether it from Government or otherwise, they have to see that it stacks up over the long term and importantly that it has a wider benefit to the local / regional economy
1149995;1433188515;flyplymouth;The social enterprise model doesn't prohibit us from attracting private investment.
1149996;1433188516;williamdunne;flyplymouth: You didn't answer the question at all
1149997;1433188529;Landgull;So you're relying on government money?
1149998;1433188531;williamdunne;flyplymouth: You said you don't want to make money for shareholders
1149999;1433188537;williamdunne;flyplymouth: That prohibits you
1150000;1433188540;williamdunne;Well..
1150001;1433188566;trinque;he's talking about some govt funding program for public benefit
1150002;1433188570;flyplymouth;not at all social enterprises can now attract investors
1150003;1433188587;trinque;does "social enterprise" have a UK legal definition?
1150004;1433188588;Landgull;Or rather, my question would be: How much of the actual investment/operating capital needs to come from private sources, after you've satisfied the nonsense of central planner stress testing.
1150005;1433188613;mircea_popescu;flyplymouth so let me see if i understand. you're trying to get a small sum together to pay for various studies that then you can turn around and give the british government which will spend a lot of its own money to do the thing you came up with ?
1150006;1433188617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 950 @ 0.00111 = 1.0545 BTC {2} 
1150007;1433188647;williamdunne;trinque: There are a couple of legal structures for it, like a community corporation or something of similar name
1150008;1433188665;williamdunne;trinque: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/office-of-the-regulator-of-community-interest-companies
1150009;1433188725;williamdunne;Summin like that
1150010;1433188725;trinque;ah
1150011;1433188725;mircea_popescu;but these are basically charities.
1150012;1433188725;mircea_popescu;only with more pompous verbiage.
1150013;1433188725;flyplymouth;As you will have seen in news of late, Transport Secretary and others have said it can reopen, the question is who opens it. We want to safeguard the airport for the long term.
1150014;1433188725;chetty;why would someone invest in something not intended to make money?
1150015;1433188743;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Its not about if you're legally allowed to do it, its more I'm a billionaire, why the fuck do I give you money for a social program? While it can work with a small homeless shelter, you're talking about an airport. Not like there is one landlord who owns half of Plymouth and the surrounding area who wants to increase property values.
1150016;1433188765;flyplymouth;It will make money, social enterprise and charity are compltely different. Social Enterpise makes profit for purpose, where as Charity is not for profit
1150017;1433188790;chetty;oi
1150018;1433188827;flyplymouth;In terms of social enterprise, most of our transport infrstructure is based on social enterprise model
1150019;1433188854;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Most of our transport infrastructure is government owned
1150020;1433188877;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Anyhow, Social Enterprise makes profit but pays no dividends
1150021;1433188877;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Which is what investors want
1150022;1433188877;flyplymouth;If you are a billionaire, then there are options for private investment.
1150023;1433188909;williamdunne;Have you spoken to Plymouth's sole billionaire?
1150024;1433188916;flyplymouth;it also depends on how they choose to invest equity/ fixed return etc.
1150025;1433188943;Landgull;Plymouth, what people are asking you is why a billionare would rather put his money with you than either 1) putting it in some blue-chip stock, or 2) directly giving it to a charity that they care about.
1150026;1433188998;williamdunne;flyplymouth: I doubt Chris Dawson is too bothered about having to go to London to catch a flight
1150027;1433189013;Landgull;You need to have a better risk-adjusted return than 1, or a better cause than 2.
1150028;1433189054;mircea_popescu;!rate Landgull 1 new bloods
1150029;1433189054;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c87ea297cf7770a5
1150030;1433189060;mircea_popescu;!rate Landgull 1 New blood
1150031;1433189060;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/08fc1ab7d4e472f7
1150032;1433189072;williamdunne;Chris Dawson is a man after my own heart..
1150033;1433189073;williamdunne;v
1150034;1433189075;williamdunne;http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html
1150035;1433189136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72279 @ 0.00032459 = 23.461 BTC [+] {2} 
1150036;1433189136;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Landgull.1:0b82e219e73f31d53dcbc506ec183a6ac468bef0f78d04b4d47ad21749e06332
1150037;1433189136;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Landgull with note: New blood
1150038;1433189136;williamdunne;"Mr Dawson said it was a Budget for everyone, that the prices of food and fuel had come down, and that thanks to the Budget he yesterday signed off a deal with a European country to build factories.
1150039;1433189136;williamdunne;But speaking about NHS staff unhappy at their low wages, Mr Dawson suggested they could retrain and work in another industry."
1150040;1433189136;Landgull;Thanks!
1150041;1433189136;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yeah, that's happening
1150042;1433189136;flyplymouth;why would a billionaire invest in an airport? If they want to develop and grow Plymouth whilst also generating a good return. Recent studies from aviation industry have said that Plymouth Airport could add 240 jobs to local economy and £20m a year to wider economy. It also helps having one of the largest naval bases in Europe in Plymouth, which attracts manufacturers and business to visit the area
1150043;1433189173;mircea_popescu;jurov sent.
1150044;1433189184;williamdunne;flyplymouth: How would they generate returns? This is what we're asking. You can't pay dividends so..?
1150045;1433189231;flyplymouth;divdends are not the only way to generate a return. Bonds / Investment Agreements.
1150046;1433189244;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Okay, so loans
1150047;1433189264;flyplymouth;Bonds and loans are not techically the same thing.
1150048;1433189266;Landgull;Ok, what kind of rate could you sustain on your bond, and what exactly are your creditors entitled to seize?
1150049;1433189294;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Promise of interest in return for money today, I'm not too bothered by technicalities
1150050;1433189316;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Everyone on this channel understands what bonds are, dw about that
1150051;1433189329;williamdunne;(hence the -assets)
1150052;1433189386;williamdunne;!up flyplymouth
1150053;1433189388;danielpbarron;in other news https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/605409957094268929
1150054;1433189401;jurov;mircea_popescu: got it
1150055;1433189414;williamdunne;flyplymouth: So once you've "stress tested" this business plan, rather than going for government money, why don't you become the first CIC to issue publicly traded bonds?
1150056;1433189436;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Certainly talking about enough money to justify it..
1150057;1433189467;flyplymouth;if you want to chat more about investment, you best contacting us direct
1150058;1433189469;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Shhh, don't tell her we've seen it!
1150059;1433189481;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Why? Anything I want to talk to you about I will talk to you about here
1150060;1433189537;Landgull;Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole.
1150061;1433189568;williamdunne;flyplymouth: A bond is something that people with actual money can get behind
1150062;1433189708;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Here ya go, an ebook even comes with it! http://www.ca-cib.com/our-offers/global-debt-markets-and-debt-capital-markets.htm
1150063;1433189768;williamdunne;Lol, their testimonial is one of their employees saying how he is properly worked
1150064;1433189768;williamdunne;I like it
1150065;1433189768;flyplymouth;If you want talk serious finance then you need to talk to FD.
1150066;1433189783;williamdunne;flyplymouth: FD? FlyDover?
1150067;1433189792;flyplymouth;ha ha
1150068;1433189800;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Can you just get him on here?
1150069;1433189812;*;trinque pats deedbot- on the hood
1150070;1433189816;trinque;little guy seems to be doing alright
1150071;1433189833;trinque;I haven't had to hit it with a wrench in a bit
1150072;1433189836;flyplymouth;nope
1150073;1433189854;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Whats his number, I'll try and get him on here.
1150074;1433189876;flyplymouth;if you want to talk serious then I can set it up
1150075;1433189888;williamdunne;flyplymouth: Of course I want to talk serious
1150076;1433189903;williamdunne;Worth noting, I have no idea who any of you are. Missing from your website.
1150077;1433189998;flyplymouth;media@flyplymouth.com drop me a line and I'll connect you.
1150078;1433190028;williamdunne;Well that was sudden
1150079;1433190045;Landgull;I don't think he liked the results of the stress test.
1150080;1433190071;williamdunne;No, nor the advice "Social Enterprise is stupid" is the only thing I think he heard
1150081;1433190108;williamdunne;The idea I think is actually ok, Plymouth does need to be better connected, but they're definitely derping around with it
1150082;1433190121;williamdunne;And they don't have to rebuild everything..
1150083;1433190127;Landgull;They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.
1150084;1433190131;williamdunne;Aye
1150085;1433190147;williamdunne;Landgull you can up yourself now
1150086;1433190250;ben_vulpes;what they will do for their investors?
1150087;1433190252;ben_vulpes;i know i know
1150088;1433190255;ben_vulpes;buy some ad space
1150089;1433190257;ben_vulpes;rent an office
1150090;1433190263;ben_vulpes;make everyone feel really cool for investing
1150091;1433190265;ben_vulpes;and then disappear
1150092;1433190271;ben_vulpes;DAFUQ AIRPLAINES?
1150093;1433190272;Landgull;Oooh, fancy. Thanks guys.
1150094;1433190275;trinque;....aaand it's gone!
1150095;1433190285;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Not just airplanes, a whole airport
1150096;1433190291;ben_vulpes;i read the thread.
1150097;1433190306;Landgull;I think they should take the 150k, buy a cessna, and ferry people around as a social enterprise.
1150098;1433190313;ben_vulpes;but let's start with the "how is anyone involved qualified to derp near expensive-ass capital equipment"
1150099;1433190317;ben_vulpes;> 150k
1150100;1433190321;ben_vulpes;> airport
1150101;1433190323;ben_vulpes;> 150k
1150102;1433190325;ben_vulpes;> airplane
1150103;1433190328;ben_vulpes;what am i missing here
1150104;1433190333;Landgull;Well, they wanted 150k for a stress test.
1150105;1433190338;Landgull;A "stress test".
1150106;1433190344;ben_vulpes;what the fuck is a stress test
1150107;1433190359;ben_vulpes;novel scamhold is what i hear.
1150108;1433190367;williamdunne;Something something statistics something something customers something something viability
1150109;1433190370;williamdunne;https://www.google.com/maps/place/Plymouth+City+Airport/@50.4211911,-4.1094124,1077m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x486ced727fc3be65:0xdbc605f04af77367!6m1!1e1
1150110;1433190430;Landgull;My guess is, you pay a bureaucrat to tell you that your made up numbers look like his made up numbers.
1150111;1433190430;williamdunne;For reference, this is what they're talking about
1150112;1433190430;ben_vulpes;that's what it meant in the context of the us banking retardation
1150113;1433190434;ben_vulpes;and what world is this where scammers take cash to build out a model and then verify it with bureaucrats?
1150114;1433190437;ben_vulpes;this is bitcoin
1150115;1433190449;ben_vulpes;we lower bureaucrats into pederasty.
1150116;1433190451;williamdunne;They're not raising bitcoin
1150117;1433190455;williamdunne;They're raising fiat
1150118;1433190458;williamdunne;I invited them here
1150119;1433190482;williamdunne;Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum
1150120;1433190487;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
1150121;1433190495;pete_dushenski;thx ben_vulpes :)
1150122;1433190499;ben_vulpes;mhhhhm
1150123;1433190517;williamdunne;http://www.flyplymouth.com/
1150124;1433190578;williamdunne;http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/flyplymouthairport-reopening-project
1150125;1433190638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78609 @ 0.00031319 = 24.6196 BTC [-]
1150126;1433190638;williamdunne;Maybe they can do more crowdfunding with the latest Havelock IPO?
1150127;1433190638;ben_vulpes; FLYPLYMOUTH has developed a plan to reopen Plymouth airport, reintroducing aviation services and air passenger services that is stepped and incrementally profitable at each stage. We believe that this objective is deliverable in two to three years and that by working together with the City around a demonstrably credible plan supported by independent feasibility analysis Plymouth will be able to benefit from new job creation and better
1150128;1433190638;ben_vulpes; connectivity.
1150129;1433190638;ben_vulpes;mk well they're even tapping into the local welfare spigot
1150130;1433190638;ben_vulpes;i am exhausted of fucks
1150131;1433190656;pete_dushenski;looks like nonsense on a stick
1150132;1433190656;williamdunne;If it was 5 miles to the left of its current position they could massively tap into European welfare spigots, which is even more hilarious
1150133;1433190675;mircea_popescu;fuckshausted ?
1150134;1433190754;williamdunne;Take it back, about 7 miles to the West for Euro welfare
1150135;1433190868;thestringpuller;i really wish it was practical to just kill the redditards
1150136;1433190999;diana_coman;hello, could I please have an eulora account?
1150137;1433191073;mats;http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/30/no-women-pass-army-ranger-school-three-invited-to-start-over.html
1150138;1433191142;jurov;diana_coman: you managed to compile the new ver already?
1150139;1433191188;diana_coman;jurov not yet, as I just saw the post on trilema, but I will get onto it as soon as possible and I have some experience...
1150140;1433191199;mats;ranger school: churning out a cripple for every leader
1150141;1433191228;pete_dushenski;mats it's a balance.
1150142;1433191478;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149704 << this place has it's fair share of consensus too. just imagine the insane levels of groupthink on teh outside !
1150143;1433191478;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 15:08:46; Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
1150144;1433191482;mats;i've observed folks in various, interesting pipelines -- BUD/S, JTAC, SFAS, ...
1150145;1433191498;mats;the number of broke dicks getting churned out of ranger school is a leadership failure not a fact of life
1150146;1433191512;ben_vulpes;> broke dicks
1150147;1433191583;mats;the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards
1150148;1433191616;pete_dushenski;mats same goes for us universities.
1150149;1433191644;pete_dushenski;in the leadership failure aspect, not the medical aspect.
1150150;1433191650;mircea_popescu;jurov if you have one precompiuled it takes all of 10 minutes
1150151;1433191655;mircea_popescu;didnb't take me much longer anyway
1150152;1433191673;mircea_popescu;btw in case anyone's missed it - eulora! ask for accts.
1150153;1433191688;jurov;yes but it picked up misc system crud
1150154;1433191698;davout;mircea_popescu: acct pl0x
1150155;1433191705;mircea_popescu;whadda ya wanna be called ?
1150156;1433191710;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1150157;1433191729;davout;Godefroy de Montmirail
1150158;1433191730;mircea_popescu;screww that im not gonna keep asking. calling everyone their nick.
1150159;1433191736;mircea_popescu;nah this is the acct name.
1150160;1433191738;mircea_popescu;onesec
1150161;1433191741;jurov;i had to: ./configure --with-cs-prefix=/path/to/cs --without-mysqlclient --without-sqlite3 --without-postgresql --without-hunspell
1150162;1433191744;mircea_popescu;bwahahahagodefroooooy
1150163;1433191753;mircea_popescu;hunspell ?!
1150164;1433191755;pete_dushenski;mats universities as businesses, which is what they've certainly become with their 20th century 'mass adoption' approach to education, couldn't possibly lead their students to be anything other than broke dicks anymore than apple can with the kids who buy their iphonez
1150165;1433191779;jurov;nemtudom, as i said.
1150166;1433191796;pete_dushenski;universities as places of higher learning for the already learned, different story.
1150167;1433191810;chetty;love the char name davout
1150168;1433191812;pete_dushenski;but that's exclusive and not 'fair'
1150169;1433191823;davout;mircea_popescu: just call me ";drop database `eulora`"
1150170;1433191834;mircea_popescu;lol
1150171;1433191835;pete_dushenski;the same approach to flatness leads to failure in the military.
1150172;1433191839;chetty;lmao
1150173;1433191887;mircea_popescu;davout http://dpaste.com/2TCF1Z9
1150174;1433191947;davout;merci
1150175;1433191956;ascii_field;mats: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/25/us-military-and-civilians-are-increasingly-divided.html << another l0l from same www
1150176;1433192016;ascii_field;'Senior officers live in large houses, travel on their own planes and oversee whole continents with little direction from Washington.'
1150177;1433192024;pete_dushenski;"One reason to support increasing the block size: Luke-Jr is against it." << lulz via redditards.
1150178;1433192041;pete_dushenski;endless milking, these mooz
1150179;1433192134;mircea_popescu;http://adios-hola.org/advisory.txt moar lulz
1150180;1433192194;davout;this blocksize drama will end up spontaneously reinventing dogecoin
1150181;1433192200;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha, run moar winblows (TM)
1150182;1433192209;mircea_popescu;mhm
1150183;1433192217;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149809 << i'm glad to hear someone actually tried. though if mp can't get his hands on them...
1150184;1433192217;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 18:04:15; mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.
1150185;1433192272;mircea_popescu;davout it's kinda amusing to see just how butthurt "social media" gets when it turns out nobody cares what they think / nothing they could do makes any difference.
1150186;1433192300;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski cursory examination.
1150187;1433192314;ascii_field;are we even seeing actual butts or astroturf
1150188;1433192329;mircea_popescu;astrobutts
1150189;1433192428;mircea_popescu;!up pete_dushenski
1150190;1433192431;mircea_popescu;what happened ot you.
1150191;1433192437;pete_dushenski;cheers !
1150192;1433192442;pete_dushenski;i'm in an airport.
1150193;1433192457;mircea_popescu;a a
1150194;1433192458;pete_dushenski;3/4 of the way home from la suisse
1150195;1433192473;davout;lol, /r/buttcoin has it http://thecoinfront.com/andreas-antonopolous-threatened-with-murder-over-twitter/
1150196;1433192542;ascii_field;'The exorbitant membership fee, 30 BTC, coupled with the fact that their twitter account hasn’t been touched since last June, suggests that the exchange is defunct, or at least no longer being actively promoted.' << tungsten, it melts in your mouth!
1150197;1433192563;mircea_popescu;lol wut ?
1150198;1433192564;pete_dushenski;heh, it's the one year anniversary of aantop's murder !
1150199;1433192569;mircea_popescu;happy rip.
1150200;1433192733;mike_c;jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries?  my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues..  just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.
1150201;1433192769;pete_dushenski;doubt anyone will bother to show up at aantop's gravestone with oranges and braided bread for provda
1150202;1433192791;mircea_popescu;mike_c i put nvidia drivers in the binary bundle just in case.
1150203;1433192792;jurov;mike_c: best if you compile yourself then
1150204;1433192805;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149828 << french part of la suisse definitely had more garbage strewn about than german part der schwiez
1150205;1433192805;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 18:37:26; williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
1150206;1433192811;mircea_popescu;at any rate it'd better not be months, o.O
1150207;1433192817;mike_c;i tried to compile windoze version, didn't go so well
1150208;1433192821;jurov;mircea_popescu: that's not nvidia drivers, but some library crystalspace depends upon
1150209;1433192825;mike_c;mircea_popescu: didn't know that, i could try that
1150210;1433192838;pete_dushenski;the frenchies (lausanne in particular) were coming up with all sorts of creative ad campaigns to encourage people to pick up their fucking trash
1150211;1433192845;pete_dushenski;lemme dig up a pic.
1150212;1433192851;williamdunne;Sandhill Exchange fined by the SEC, lol
1150213;1433192852;mircea_popescu;mike_c you seen http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora yeah ?
1150214;1433192912;jurov;also, my windows/osx dude said he's away till 12th. so the position is in fact open
1150215;1433192912;williamdunne;(The company offering Derps, MPEX style)
1150216;1433192912;jurov;diana_coman will try on windows, too
1150217;1433192912;jurov;i'll forward or return the funds when someone picks up
1150218;1433192921;mike_c;mircea_popescu: yeah, i saw that.  still not so easy without a clean box to get all those specific versions on
1150219;1433192975;mircea_popescu;williamdunne check it out, no credit no nothing.
1150220;1433192983;chetty;for the record I have gotten it to run on a laptop, but its very slow
1150221;1433192998;mircea_popescu;i actually got it to run on an old laptop too, but it was like 2 fps
1150222;1433193003;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Lausanne-hungry-garbage-can.jpg << this.
1150223;1433193063;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Lol, yeah. Apparently they hedge theirs though rather than bear the risk
1150224;1433193063;williamdunne;William,
1150225;1433193063;williamdunne;You may be wondering why we’ve been so quiet lately.
1150226;1433193063;williamdunne;We started Sand Hill Exchange as a fun game to let people bet on startup valuations.  It is an enjoyable experience, but when we pushed aggressively to monetize we received a cease and desist from the SEC.
1150227;1433193063;williamdunne;We never had any intention of operating in a regulated industry, nor do we have the resources required to do so.  We reached a settlement agreement with the SEC and are reverting to the uncontroversial free version of Sand Hill Exchange.
1150228;1433193063;williamdunne;Sand Hill Exchange has always been strongest as a site focused on education and community.  The paper trading version of our site preserves these values while providing a safe, fun experience.
1150229;1433193063;williamdunne;For full details on everything that transpired please check our blog.
1150230;1433193063;williamdunne;--
1150231;1433193063;williamdunne;The Sand Hill Exchange Team
1150232;1433193063;mircea_popescu;aha.
1150233;1433193063;williamdunne;Press release says they were fined $200k, email subject says $20k
1150234;1433193080;*;mircea_popescu will bbl, going to enterrtain teh eulorians
1150235;1433193085;danielpbarron;i also have run eulora on an old laptop
1150236;1433193085;pete_dushenski;what's a zero in fiat anyways ?
1150237;1433193089;williamdunne;They're doing it by issuing smart contracts so they're not the issuers technically, supposedly
1150238;1433193103;williamdunne;Any build available for buntu
1150239;1433193137;williamdunne;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/383sl3/one_reason_to_support_increasing_the_block_size/
1150240;1433193197;williamdunne;derp
1150241;1433193214;chetty;williamdunne, it best if you compile yourself from the source, but its a breeze on ubuntu
1150242;1433193277;pete_dushenski;time to make my way to the gate. good evening y'all !
1150243;1433193313;williamdunne;chetty: Coolio, I'll look it up on the guide
1150244;1433193321;williamdunne;"25 days into our experiment, activity on the site was parabolic. Users were writing their own algorithmic traders. On most days, Sand Hill Exchange saw more trading volume than the New York Stock Exchange (circa 1840). Behind the scenes, we mapped out technology infrastructure to decentralize the exchange."
1150245;1433193335;williamdunne;"That’s when we received an inquiry from the SEC. And then a subpoena demanding a court appearance and all our documents and communications since the beginning of last year.
1150246;1433193335;williamdunne;We had less than $10,000 in the bank. We had no legal counsel to speak of."
1150247;1433193563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00031312 = 8.8926 BTC [-] {2} 
1150248;1433193731;*;williamdunne remembers why he only uses languages with package management systems
1150249;1433193862;thestringpuller;^lol like ruby?
1150250;1433193886;williamdunne;Never used Ruby personally
1150251;1433193896;williamdunne;C#, Elixir, D, and Java
1150252;1433193931;williamdunne;And more recently Meteor, although thats not a personal choice (but does have a great package manager)
1150253;1433193965;williamdunne;Oh god
1150254;1433193966;williamdunne;http://www.simondixon.org/iceland-is-the-most-important-country-in-the-world-right-now/2015/05/30/
1150255;1433194026;thestringpuller;i'm quitting the code life soon to pursue my dream of being a rapper
1150256;1433194032;williamdunne;M.C Goldburg
1150257;1433195856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34414 @ 0.00031698 = 10.9085 BTC [+]
1150258;1433196222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1905 @ 0.00111 = 2.1146 BTC
1150259;1433197198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00031698 = 4.0573 BTC [+]
1150260;1433197320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0003233 = 8.2442 BTC [+] {2} 
1150261;1433197564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00032492 = 19.1053 BTC [+] {2} 
1150262;1433198052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27494 @ 0.00031501 = 8.6609 BTC [-] {2} 
1150263;1433198114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4556 @ 0.00031292 = 1.4257 BTC [-]
1150264;1433198601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00032542 = 8.3145 BTC [+]
1150265;1433198896;menahem;what do you guys think of this tee ?
1150266;1433198898;menahem;http://screencast.com/t/LxNozQwn7t3
1150267;1433198958;williamdunne;Well, its official, we're a cult.
1150268;1433198959;menahem;hahaha
1150269;1433199064;menahem;debating if i should add a quote to it
1150270;1433199104;williamdunne;"I'm better than you" should suffice
1150271;1433199172;menahem;"this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."
1150272;1433199226;williamdunne;+1
1150273;1433199230;williamdunne;Fuck it, I'd buy it
1150274;1433199255;*;danielpbarron already has the b-a official t-shirt thanks to nubbins`
1150275;1433199431;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698785
1150276;1433199431;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2014 15:57:38; nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
1150277;1433199475;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html << What about NHS workers moving from "Airstrip One" to somewhere which would pay them better... Like Ferguson.
1150278;1433199541;williamdunne;Well I think the essence, is if what you're currently doing isn't working, fucking change it
1150279;1433199544;williamdunne;But yeah
1150280;1433199552;williamdunne;Lots of options how to go about it
1150281;1433199615;danielpbarron;;;later tell nubbins` could you make a few dozen business cards for me and have them arrive at my house by the 20th of this month? and what would that cost?
1150282;1433199615;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1150283;1433199645;BingoBoingo;Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole. << Wait, there is now an aeronaut ninjaspamzor???
1150284;1433199658;danielpbarron;!up indiancandy1
1150285;1433199666;indiancandy1;thanks dan
1150286;1433199710;indiancandy1;whats up
1150287;1433199734;danielpbarron;eulora is up!
1150288;1433199742;danielpbarron;you into video games?
1150289;1433199750;mats;https://soundcloud.com/frances_music/grow-1
1150290;1433199902;indiancandy1;erm
1150291;1433199908;indiancandy1;depends really
1150292;1433199916;trinque;!up diana_coman
1150293;1433199920;chetty;yup eulora is live ;)
1150294;1433199932;indiancandy1;lol
1150295;1433199952;indiancandy1;nice mix mats
1150296;1433199955;indiancandy1;i like it
1150297;1433200376;indiancandy1;any one 24 here
1150298;1433200452;williamdunne;24?
1150299;1433200456;williamdunne;The age?
1150300;1433200885;decimation;mats: the us military likes to keep its elborate hazing rituals
1150301;1433201284;decimation;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/cybersecurity-and-tylenol-murders < "Yet none of the proposals now in Congress are aimed at actually increasing the safety of our data. Instead, the focus is on ?information sharing,? a euphemism for more surveillance of users and networks. These bills are not only wrongheaded, they seem to be a cynical ploy to use the very real problems of cybersecurity to advance a surveillance agenda, rather th
1150302;1433201480;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1150303;1433201480;mats;gas grills are an amazing invention
1150304;1433201480;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1150305;1433201483;decimation;usg actually should subsidize rather than punish hackers.  Like terrorists, they provide the perfect excuse to expand state power with little opposition
1150306;1433201523;BingoBoingo;So, new low in wikipedia "art" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctopelta.jpg Seriously dinosaurs and ducks never co-existed
1150307;1433201583;indiancandy1;yh
1150308;1433201583;indiancandy1;age
1150309;1433201583;mats;nommin on ma homemade white wine and shallot pork sausages
1150310;1433201583;decimation;BingoBoingo: one wonders how much 'high brow' trolling/bullshit has been incorporated into wikipedia
1150311;1433201590;BingoBoingo;decimation: I imagine that's what most of it is
1150312;1433201596;mats;decimation: were that only the case... imo its a holdover from a different, 'harder', era
1150313;1433201653;decimation;mats: note that militaries have had hazing rituals since time immemorial
1150314;1433201672;indiancandy1;how do u make white wine
1150315;1433201691;decimation;u ferment white grapes
1150316;1433201698;mats;loled
1150317;1433201718;indiancandy1;then
1150318;1433201722;indiancandy1;it turns into liquid
1150319;1433201725;indiancandy1;did u make it urself
1150320;1433201726;indiancandy1;thats dope
1150321;1433201754;mats;my syntax is terrible
1150322;1433201774;mats;"white wine, shallot, and pork [sausage]"
1150323;1433201784;indiancandy1;whats shallot
1150324;1433201785;mats;it all goes into one casing, the pork is braised in the wine
1150325;1433201791;indiancandy1;ohhh ahahah
1150326;1433201795;indiancandy1;damn
1150327;1433201802;decimation;the 'liquid' is a combination of sugar water and yeast shit
1150328;1433201815;mats;shallots are in the onion family
1150329;1433201823;decimation;although in most european style wines the sugar is mostly gone
1150330;1433201877;decimation;http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation
1150331;1433201939;indiancandy1;are you in the eur
1150332;1433201942;indiancandy1;oops eu
1150333;1433202017;decimation;I am not
1150334;1433202058;indiancandy1;usa
1150335;1433202067;indiancandy1;i ddint know u could cook sausage with wine
1150336;1433202068;decimation;yes
1150337;1433202071;indiancandy1;i will try it
1150338;1433202380;williamdunne;Where are you based?
1150339;1433203401;danielpbarron;!up indiancandy1
1150340;1433203415;danielpbarron;!up WolfGoethe
1150341;1433203432;WolfGoethe;yo
1150342;1433203446;WolfGoethe;anyone here actively do any peer to peer trading?
1150343;1433203482;jurov;WolfGoethe: sometimes
1150344;1433203539;danielpbarron;I think I do, but I never called it that
1150345;1433203543;WolfGoethe;jurov what payment methods do you use?
1150346;1433203550;jurov;sepa
1150347;1433203551;WolfGoethe;I do bank deposit, and paypal my cash
1150348;1433203572;WolfGoethe;ah europe, ok, where do u guys trade #bitcoin-otc ?
1150349;1433203580;WolfGoethe;danielpbarron what do you call it?
1150350;1433203594;jurov;yes there. anyone tries transferwise?
1150351;1433203607;danielpbarron;otc I suppose
1150352;1433203618;WolfGoethe;never tried transferwise, what premiums do u get with them?
1150353;1433203634;WolfGoethe;what sites are you guys on? LBC, bitwallet paxful ?
1150354;1433203635;danielpbarron;i mostly deal with my meatwot; not internet ppl
1150355;1433203645;WolfGoethe;meatwot ?
1150356;1433203654;danielpbarron;face to face people I know in person
1150357;1433203664;WolfGoethe;ahh in person trades, k
1150358;1433203671;jurov;apparently they ask 0.5% or $1
1150359;1433203676;WolfGoethe;i'm in NYC, dudes got robbed here inperson
1150360;1433203677;jurov;going to try
1150361;1433203685;danielpbarron;oh neat, I'm in CT
1150362;1433203695;WolfGoethe;i like high premiums, paypalmy cash gets up to a 100% sometimes
1150363;1433203698;danielpbarron;well I only deal with people I know; not randos
1150364;1433203698;mxtm;< massholes represent
1150365;1433203711;indiancandy1;im in london
1150366;1433203713;danielpbarron;so chances of getting stuck up are very low
1150367;1433203738;WolfGoethe;what offers u guys got active now?
1150368;1433203758;WolfGoethe;there is a nice uk peer to peer trading site right?bit trust.couk ?
1150369;1433203811;trinque;mxtm: I was just describing to someone moving to Boston the difference in culture between new england and here (PDX) .... how did I forget "massholes"
1150370;1433203872;indiancandy1;massholess meaning assholes in quantity?
1150371;1433203889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43867 @ 0.00032542 = 14.2752 BTC [+]
1150372;1433203897;mxtm;no indiancandy1, meaning people from massachusetts
1150373;1433203923;mxtm;and trinque, hah
1150374;1433203967;trinque;portland pussies stand no chance there
1150375;1433203970;indiancandy1;why are they aholes
1150376;1433204060;WolfGoethe;portland was nice. met a super model lookin type girl there... she told me she hasn;t had a date in 6 months.. i was like why??? she said because the guys in portland are to scared to even say hi to her... lol
1150377;1433204071;WolfGoethe;ortland has a dope ass bar arcade tho...
1150378;1433204096;trinque;WolfGoethe: nice town as an outsider yeah
1150379;1433204100;mats;i hope you took her on a date
1150380;1433204105;mxtm;i've never been to portland
1150381;1433204108;trinque;WolfGoethe: ground control?
1150382;1433204122;WolfGoethe;yeah, we just hung out and had fun, took for a ride on my bike, was going cross country
1150383;1433204139;WolfGoethe;no intimiate stuff tho lol. i'm not a player.. just a geek :)
1150384;1433204166;WolfGoethe;forgot the name of the arcade bar.. but they had all the old skool games. went for sf2 and tmnt.. had a blast with the model girl there
1150385;1433204172;trinque;girl goes home sadly to her hitachi
1150386;1433204173;trinque;lol
1150387;1433204177;WolfGoethe;lol
1150388;1433204182;trinque;WolfGoethe: was probably ground control
1150389;1433204186;trinque;I enjoy that spot
1150390;1433204192;trinque;get drunk on whiskeys and play galaga
1150391;1433204231;WolfGoethe;wanna go back, me nad her talk on FB, she got friends. I'm not into tall skinny blondes. like my women thick and short
1150392;1433204245;WolfGoethe;city had a cool vibe tho
1150393;1433204262;trinque;WolfGoethe: every time I build up enough piss and vinegar to leave, I find a reason to stay
1150394;1433204264;WolfGoethe;unrelated question.. anyone got some paypal my cash codes they wanna trade for some btc?
1150395;1433204266;trinque;I'm originally from TX
1150396;1433204283;trinque;!gettrust WolfGoethe
1150397;1433204283;assbot;WolfGoethe is not registered in WoT.
1150398;1433204290;WolfGoethe;I am in NYC. portland was nice. I rode thru texas. liked it Galveston and austin were awesome
1150399;1433204305;WolfGoethe;web of trust? how do i reg there?
1150400;1433204309;trinque;!h
1150401;1433204309;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1150402;1433204312;trinque;WolfGoethe: ^
1150403;1433204322;trinque;not that I'm personally buying, but that'd probably help
1150404;1433204456;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Oh I'm not the only one
1150405;1433204458;WolfGoethe;thanks
1150406;1433204468;WolfGoethe;i checked bitcoin-otc .. no paypal my cash there
1150407;1433204478;williamdunne;Oh wow
1150408;1433204491;indiancandy1;what about london ppl
1150409;1433204495;WolfGoethe;can i post a link to ym trading profile here or is that not allowed?
1150410;1433204495;indiancandy1;whose on instagram
1150411;1433204503;williamdunne;I sent an email to SandHill saying "So when are you moving then", and this was their response:
1150412;1433204503;williamdunne;"The US is our home -- they may be acting like nincompoops but I don't want to completely uproot over this."
1150413;1433204504;williamdunne;Lol
1150414;1433204509;williamdunne;They deserve to be fined
1150415;1433204532;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Nah, only UK, and I don't have a vagina so don't have an instagram account
1150416;1433204595;WolfGoethe;my instagram big booty feed is CRAZY
1150417;1433204606;WolfGoethe;the finest fitness booty imaginable.. it never ends
1150418;1433204609;trinque;williamdunne: but you do twat...
1150419;1433204625;williamdunne;trinque: I hide it well
1150420;1433204632;williamdunne;Its tucked underneath my tits
1150421;1433204654;trinque;(twitter)
1150422;1433204682;williamdunne;Oh yes, I'd be interested in seeing the male/female ratio on instagram/twitter though
1150423;1433204704;trinque;instagram is solely for hot women and pictures of their food/cats, this is true
1150424;1433204708;WolfGoethe;instagram has women like this... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11230425_818749641507034_1768860839_n.jpg
1150425;1433204768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49807 @ 0.0003255 = 16.2122 BTC [+] {2} 
1150426;1433204768;williamdunne;Maybe I should get instagram
1150427;1433204768;indiancandy1;i got a nice booty
1150428;1433204768;indiancandy1;lol
1150429;1433204768;williamdunne;Yep
1150430;1433204777;indiancandy1;how do u no
1150431;1433204818;williamdunne;Instagram
1150432;1433204823;williamdunne;Don't need an account to use it (Y)
1150433;1433204831;trinque;never do I look at my food or ass and say "goddamn someone needs to see this shit"
1150434;1433204857;WolfGoethe;is this photoshopped? https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11326475_1582238262029854_1684735531_n.jpg
1150435;1433204917;indiancandy1;did u see my insta account
1150436;1433204917;williamdunne;trinque: tbf I doubt your ass is as nice as indiancandy1's
1150437;1433204917;trinque;can confirm
1150438;1433204917;williamdunne;In fairness, didn't that one guy take a photo of a market up his ass at hanbot's request?
1150439;1433204920;williamdunne;*marker
1150440;1433204925;WolfGoethe;pics pls
1150441;1433204925;indiancandy1;how did u see my insta
1150442;1433204926;indiancandy1;i didnt link u it
1150443;1433204926;indiancandy1;the link u sent is taking ages
1150444;1433204934;WolfGoethe;not the market up the udes butt.. girls
1150445;1433204940;trinque;indiancandy1: I haven't
1150446;1433204944;williamdunne;indiancandy1: You've told us your username before
1150447;1433204946;BingoBoingo;indiancandy1: You really don't give your twitter account enough love
1150448;1433204947;williamdunne;realshantidynamite
1150449;1433204967;indiancandy1;that ass was nice
1150450;1433204967;WolfGoethe;Fav pic here? -> http://healthlevelup.com/fit-girl-gallery/
1150451;1433205027;WolfGoethe;squat booty rules all. skinny booty is a travesty worthy of jihad
1150452;1433205027;williamdunne;WolfGoethe: Urm... your link returned this
1150453;1433205027;williamdunne;https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11325010_484726545020911_527289776_n.jpg
1150454;1433205087;WolfGoethe;huh? lt the page load. there are women on there
1150455;1433205087;WolfGoethe;https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpf1/t51.2885-15/e15/929255_1423984554587620_1726015887_n.jpg
1150456;1433205147;WolfGoethe;where do u see that?
1150457;1433205147;WolfGoethe;all i see is thick squat booty
1150458;1433205147;williamdunne;It was on maybe the second page of it
1150459;1433205147;WolfGoethe;https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11111522_642938059183228_394004934_n.jpg
1150460;1433205207;williamdunne;Opinions? https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1301&bih=676&q=holly+willoughby&oq=holly+wi&gs_l=img.3.0.0l10.1082.2302.0.3961.8.8.0.0.0.0.72.467.8.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.8.467._pnh2oflBjk
1150461;1433205267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34605 @ 0.00032759 = 11.3363 BTC [+] {2} 
1150462;1433205268;WolfGoethe;she prob has zero boot
1150463;1433205268;WolfGoethe;y
1150464;1433205268;WolfGoethe;pass...
1150465;1433205268;WolfGoethe;https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/e15/11189527_901673319895202_1208079325_n.jpg
1150466;1433205328;trinque;indiancandy1: https://igcdn-photos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11336143_644313775702435_915024639_n.jpg lol
1150467;1433205390;williamdunne;I'm trying to work out why
1150468;1433205390;mats;butts
1150469;1433205431;BingoBoingo;!up indiancandy1
1150470;1433205440;indiancandy1;that pic
1150471;1433205443;indiancandy1;is my friends x gf
1150472;1433205446;indiancandy1;her name is tessa
1150473;1433205458;indiancandy1;shes really into bdsm lifestyle
1150474;1433205462;williamdunne;indiancandy1: are you registered in the WoT?
1150475;1433205471;indiancandy1;no coz i duno how to do it
1150476;1433205475;indiancandy1;its so complicated
1150477;1433205486;williamdunne;Would you like some help?
1150478;1433205502;BingoBoingo;!up WolfGoethe
1150479;1433205526;WolfGoethe;the tatto girl?
1150480;1433205534;WolfGoethe;i'd tie hr up..lol
1150481;1433205547;WolfGoethe;nah not into that. tattoos ruin it for me
1150482;1433205556;trinque;prolly the chick who's a table
1150483;1433205562;trinque;WolfGoethe: same
1150484;1433205576;trinque;tried dating a chick once covered in tats, very distracting
1150485;1433205582;WolfGoethe;gross
1150486;1433205596;williamdunne;I like em', not gonna liea
1150487;1433205597;WolfGoethe;ride a bike and u talk to a lot fo tat girls.. do nothing for me
1150488;1433205605;williamdunne;Was thinking of getting a tattoo while in Prague actually..
1150489;1433205610;trinque;"you had this great body, then let 'artists' use it like a bar bathroom wall"
1150490;1433205687;indiancandy1;yes will
1150491;1433205688;indiancandy1;i would
1150492;1433205698;indiancandy1;i got 11 tattoos
1150493;1433205700;indiancandy1;dont hate
1150494;1433205705;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Mmk, what sort of computer do you have?
1150495;1433205713;indiancandy1;laptop
1150496;1433205719;Adlai;!b 2
1150497;1433205719;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZYPGRE.txt )
1150498;1433205721;williamdunne;Apple or other?
1150499;1433205724;indiancandy1;hp
1150500;1433205732;williamdunne;k
1150501;1433205733;indiancandy1;im getting a tattoo above my panty line this week
1150502;1433205739;williamdunne;What are you getting done?
1150503;1433205758;indiancandy1;some horizontal tribal thin design
1150504;1433205769;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Did you ever get that pink netbook?
1150505;1433205780;williamdunne;indiancandy1: noice
1150506;1433205784;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Anyhow, go here
1150507;1433205787;williamdunne;indiancandy1: http://www.gpg4win.org/download.html
1150508;1433205847;williamdunne;And click the first big green button
1150509;1433205847;williamdunne;And then click run
1150510;1433205847;williamdunne;And wait for it to open
1150511;1433205847;williamdunne;Then tell me
1150512;1433205858;indiancandy1;ok
1150513;1433205882;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, lol no, I got outbid and forgot about it
1150514;1433205899;mod6;Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 314713
1150515;1433205909;BingoBoingo;nice mod6
1150516;1433205960;indiancandy1;i clckd run
1150517;1433205997;indiancandy1;it says windows smartscreen csnt be reached atm
1150518;1433205999;indiancandy1;wtf
1150519;1433206020;trinque;http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/features/smartscreen-filter
1150520;1433206080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00032827 = 20.9108 BTC [+]
1150521;1433206080;indiancandy1;what is all this
1150522;1433206080;williamdunne;Just click ignore or ok or summin
1150523;1433206135;trinque;it's a hamfisted attempt to "protect" the user
1150524;1433206151;trinque;by crippling the software
1150525;1433206228;indiancandy1;im confused
1150526;1433206230;indiancandy1;u lost m
1150527;1433206231;indiancandy1;e
1150528;1433206239;williamdunne;Ok
1150529;1433206249;williamdunne;So when you see the smart screen thing yes, what buttons can you click?
1150530;1433206261;williamdunne;Also, I'm a little disturbed by your usage of #latina on this https://instagram.com/p/0lS3nwB6Ip/
1150531;1433206322;williamdunne;I don't believe Greece, India, or the UK are in South America
1150532;1433206369;trinque;williamdunne: did you not hear the tunes?
1150533;1433206385;indiancandy1;i dont handle it
1150534;1433206387;indiancandy1;my insta
1150535;1433206392;indiancandy1;some indian boy does
1150536;1433206396;indiancandy1;in banglaore
1150537;1433206404;williamdunne;Ahahahaha
1150538;1433206407;williamdunne;Thats hilarious
1150539;1433206411;trinque;"my instagram guy"
1150540;1433206416;williamdunne;trinque: Sounded like electro-jamaican-indian to me
1150541;1433206426;indiancandy1;the song is jamaican
1150542;1433206428;trinque;ah what do I know; I wasn't really listening :D
1150543;1433206433;williamdunne;trinque: I called it
1150544;1433206435;trinque;so then I'm the racist
1150545;1433206440;indiancandy1;how
1150546;1433206451;williamdunne;trinque: Typical Eastern European
1150547;1433206460;williamdunne;Racist, all of em
1150548;1433206464;trinque;I thought that was some kind of reggaeton thing or w/e it's called
1150549;1433206511;williamdunne;indiancandy1: how what?
1150550;1433206525;indiancandy1;did u call me eastern europnean
1150551;1433206528;indiancandy1;ahahah
1150552;1433206531;trinque;<---
1150553;1433206533;indiancandy1;aah
1150554;1433206536;indiancandy1;were u from
1150555;1433206536;trinque;but I'm not
1150556;1433206548;trinque;I'm a mongrel from the US
1150557;1433206564;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Oops, meant trinque.
1150558;1433206575;williamdunne;I'm from the UK, which is just as bad
1150559;1433206579;trinque;some french, some italian, and a smattering of various UK miscellany
1150560;1433206606;williamdunne;trinque: I think you just described most Europeans
1150561;1433206612;trinque;heh! probably so
1150562;1433206673;williamdunne;Eh, I'll be in London on Sunday before flying to Bucharest on Monday
1150563;1433206674;williamdunne;:D
1150564;1433206689;trinque;williamdunne: what do you do that has you traveling
1150565;1433206713;trinque;indiancandy1: get in the wot! we need more beautiful women.
1150566;1433206716;williamdunne;Lady from Credit Agricole decided I have to open the account in person
1150567;1433206723;williamdunne;trinque: Do we have any other beautiful women?
1150568;1433206775;trinque;dunno, but one should always have more
1150569;1433206790;williamdunne;Can you up someone multiple times I wonder..
1150570;1433206794;williamdunne;!up indiancandy1
1150571;1433206803;williamdunne;!up indiancandy1
1150572;1433206815;williamdunne;Nah it just refreshes it
1150573;1433206821;trinque;hm, so this is a perfect example of a gossipd use case
1150574;1433206845;williamdunne;Forcing people to be registered?
1150575;1433206857;trinque;well, or just tagging along on someone's more permissive node if they don wanna
1150576;1433206864;williamdunne;Would she have got here in the first place if it wasn't for freenode webchat?
1150577;1433206865;trinque;like life :p
1150578;1433206900;williamdunne;I'm pretty fucking excited, Bucharest -> Prague -> Istanbul is gonna be fun
1150579;1433206902;indiancandy1;hii
1150580;1433206909;trinque;indiancandy1: did you install the thing?
1150581;1433206910;indiancandy1;can u do it 4 me
1150582;1433206914;indiancandy1;via teamviewer
1150583;1433206915;indiancandy1;:P
1150584;1433206922;trinque;heh williamdunne do a join.me or something with her
1150585;1433206927;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Yes I can
1150586;1433206930;trinque;or yeah teamviewer
1150587;1433206932;indiancandy1;yay
1150588;1433206945;williamdunne;Just let me install it one sec
1150589;1433206977;indiancandy1;ergh turks
1150590;1433206993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00032887 = 27.4935 BTC [+] {3} 
1150591;1433206998;indiancandy1;jokes
1150592;1433207004;indiancandy1;so trin where in uk r u
1150593;1433207014;trinque;nah US, portland oregon
1150594;1433207027;trinque;williamdunne's the limey
1150595;1433207032;indiancandy1;ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
1150596;1433207146;williamdunne;indiancandy1: I dropped you a private message, if you give me your teamviewer details I'll sort it for you
1150597;1433207166;trinque;goes without saying but... do not paste that here
1150598;1433207168;trinque;:D
1150599;1433207176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73033 @ 0.00033146 = 24.2075 BTC [+] {3} 
1150600;1433207189;indiancandy1;okk
1150601;1433207214;indiancandy1;i trade nudes 4 btc
1150602;1433207216;indiancandy1;hahahaha
1150603;1433207237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12367 @ 0.00033542 = 4.1481 BTC [+]
1150604;1433207420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00033575 = 19.3392 BTC [+] {2} 
1150605;1433207426;trinque;!up WolfGoethe
1150606;1433207443;trinque;WolfGoethe: while we're doing inductions, why don't you register too
1150607;1433207450;trinque;and I'll rate you so you can self-up later
1150608;1433207461;trinque;at some point we're gonna need a ritual
1150609;1433207548;indiancandy1;!register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571
1150610;1433207548;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571. This may take a few moments.
1150611;1433207549;assbot;Key AEEA5571 / "indiancandy1" successfully imported.
1150612;1433207549;assbot;Registration successful.
1150613;1433207568;williamdunne;Who is in the lords list?
1150614;1433207579;indiancandy1;u done willz
1150615;1433207582;williamdunne;Can someone in the lords list please give indiancandy a rate?
1150616;1433207584;williamdunne;Nearly
1150617;1433207586;trinque;sure
1150618;1433207590;williamdunne;I'll just show you how to use it once you've been rated
1150619;1433207596;trinque;!rate indiancandy1 1 new blood
1150620;1433207596;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e4597feaf7ab2130
1150621;1433207622;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.indiancandy1.1:32279bb36b80ec9a60317e8aa0ca228d9837e259b890b090e1aa639427bd5da1
1150622;1433207622;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: new blood
1150623;1433207626;trinque;welcome
1150624;1433207707;asciilifeform;http://www.getlofi.com/uploaded_images/85_1_b-766859.JPG
1150625;1433207767;trinque;asciilifeform: what's that guy?
1150626;1433207767;asciilifeform;idk
1150627;1433207767;trinque;looks... like it does... something
1150628;1433207772;asciilifeform;aha.
1150629;1433207820;trinque;google image search says it's chocolate
1150630;1433207822;trinque;fuck you google
1150631;1433207824;trinque;lol
1150632;1433207830;asciilifeform;l0l
1150633;1433207931;williamdunne;Who tried to set this up before for indiancandy1? She doesn't know what the password is to the key.. aha
1150634;1433207950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44577 @ 0.00032795 = 14.619 BTC [-] {2} 
1150635;1433207962;williamdunne;Probably should have checked that before registering -.-
1150636;1433208011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35023 @ 0.00032498 = 11.3818 BTC [-]
1150637;1433208014;trinque;so close!
1150638;1433208027;trinque;williamdunne: and now you'll need to be able to use the old key to use !changekey
1150639;1433208037;williamdunne;Yep, wow
1150640;1433208045;williamdunne;Great start..
1150641;1433208057;williamdunne;Can kakro overrule this when he is online I wonder?
1150642;1433208109;trinque;any simple guesses for the password?
1150643;1433208119;WolfGoethe;!register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571
1150644;1433208119;assbot;A key with that fingerprint is already registered by indiancandy1
1150645;1433208121;williamdunne;Its not her normal password, its not no password, and its not password
1150646;1433208142;williamdunne;(GPG4WIN asks for password even if there is none)
1150647;1433208143;trinque;lol so much fail
1150648;1433208146;williamdunne;Yep
1150649;1433208159;WolfGoethe;so i need to get a pgp key first?
1150650;1433208162;williamdunne;Guess we'll have to wait for kakro and see if he can fix it
1150651;1433208165;williamdunne;WolfGoethe: Yep
1150652;1433208171;trinque;WolfGoethe: yes, what OS are you on
1150653;1433208176;WolfGoethe;mac osx
1150654;1433208183;WolfGoethe;never messed with pgp
1150655;1433208215;trinque;WolfGoethe: https://gpgtools.org/
1150656;1433208275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00033869 = 6.3674 BTC [+] {3} 
1150657;1433208275;WolfGoethe;thanks already dling beta 6
1150658;1433208275;trinque;WolfGoethe: 4096 bits recommended as the key size
1150659;1433208316;williamdunne;+1
1150660;1433208328;trinque;in the key creation dialog it will ask whether you want to upload the key, do that
1150661;1433208336;trinque;then assbot will be able to find it when you provide your fingerprint
1150662;1433208363;williamdunne;;;later tell kakobrekla can you unregister indiancandy1? I was setting it up for her and forgot to check if she knew the password to her GPG key.. she hasn't authed yet
1150663;1433208363;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1150664;1433208468;trinque;asciilifeform: my only guess is some kind of supr s3kr3t radio disguisable as a beer can
1150665;1433208476;trinque;maybe the knob comes off, some kind of outer covering goes on
1150666;1433208494;indiancandy1;what fingerprint
1150667;1433208521;WolfGoethe;i sent it to the keyserver, how do you look it up? name or email ?
1150668;1433208522;mats;https://www.change.org/p/protect-our-kids-pass-the-teach-safe-relationships-act
1150669;1433208582;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Its like an identifier for your key that I registered you with, the one you didn't know the password for
1150670;1433208582;WolfGoethe;key id?
1150671;1433208582;trinque;WolfGoethe: somewhere there will be listed a "fingerprint" of the key
1150672;1433208582;trinque;that's the argument to !register
1150673;1433208582;WolfGoethe;got it
1150674;1433208582;trinque;no spaces
1150675;1433208582;WolfGoethe;do i post it here?
1150676;1433208582;trinque;sure as indiancandy1 by way of williamdunne did
1150677;1433208582;trinque;but like.... better than they did :D
1150678;1433208648;WolfGoethe;!register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD
1150679;1433208648;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.
1150680;1433208649;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
1150681;1433208703;WolfGoethe;hmmm
1150682;1433208752;WolfGoethe;i send public key to keyserver
1150683;1433208765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00034103 = 16.0284 BTC [+] {2} 
1150684;1433208774;trinque;WolfGoethe: either it wasn't the right one, or it takes a minute
1150685;1433208784;WolfGoethe;!register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD
1150686;1433208784;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.
1150687;1433208784;assbot;Key 273F03BD / "wolfgangX <wolfgangg432@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
1150688;1433208784;assbot;Registration successful.
1150689;1433208789;WolfGoethe;works
1150690;1433208835;trinque;!rate WolfGoethe 1 new blood
1150691;1433208836;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/59086853159ade6f
1150692;1433208863;WolfGoethe;what do i do with this key ?
1150693;1433208870;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.WolfGoethe.1:1c0fe620b46c4634282678cb9daeae399403b84ad5669b4f1d8cc018fbe84b09
1150694;1433208870;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for WolfGoethe with note: new blood
1150695;1433208909;trinque;WolfGoethe: when you want voice, send a private message of !up to assbot
1150696;1433208936;trinque;it'll send you a url, you decrypt the contents and give it back to assbot with !v
1150697;1433208940;trinque;as I did with my rating
1150698;1433208943;trinque;try it.
1150699;1433208947;trinque;!down WolfGoethe
1150700;1433209253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0003433 = 7.5183 BTC [+] {2} 
1150701;1433209761;WolfGoethe;wow
1150702;1433209765;WolfGoethe;thanks trinque
1150703;1433209775;WolfGoethe;that was an involved process
1150704;1433209790;WolfGoethe;only the geekiest of the crypto geeks would go thru all that just to post big booty pics
1150705;1433209860;williamdunne;Lol
1150706;1433209872;williamdunne;Its as manly as it gets
1150707;1433210086;trinque;WolfGoethe: weeds out the morons; congrats
1150708;1433210101;WolfGoethe;cool
1150709;1433210118;WolfGoethe;i wrote a bitcoind core api server with full logging etc...
1150710;1433210125;WolfGoethe;open source of coz
1150711;1433210144;WolfGoethe;trying to give back with more than just phat instagram booty
1150712;1433210175;trinque;what good cult doesn't have booty
1150713;1433210229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00033904 = 9.1541 BTC [-]
1150714;1433210255;williamdunne;!up mj4_
1150715;1433210258;williamdunne;!up mjr_
1150716;1433210279;mjr_;what up all
1150717;1433210303;mjr_;i was going to say that we should have a ceremony with robes for voicing
1150718;1433210325;trinque;!gettrust mjr_
1150719;1433210325;assbot;mjr_ is not registered in WoT.
1150720;1433210330;trinque;who is we
1150721;1433210346;mjr_;look up Josh_Rossi i thihnk
1150722;1433210356;williamdunne;Oh I didn't realize its Josh!
1150723;1433210359;mjr_;!gettrust Josh_Rossi
1150724;1433210359;assbot;mjr_ is not registered in WoT.
1150725;1433210359;williamdunne;Hey Josh
1150726;1433210368;williamdunne;!gettrust Josh_rossi
1150727;1433210368;assbot;Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Josh_rossi: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Josh_rossi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Josh_rossi/
1150728;1433210372;mjr_;how did you find it wiliam?
1150729;1433210378;mjr_;ah lower case r
1150730;1433210380;williamdunne;I'm registered, mjr_ isn't
1150731;1433210387;williamdunne;Oh, could be wrong
1150732;1433210393;mjr_;i should be registered, aren't I?
1150733;1433210404;trinque;mjr_: yeah, otherwise you might as well be the pope
1150734;1433210416;mjr_;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/josh_rossi/
1150735;1433210476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00034352 = 11.3362 BTC [+]
1150736;1433210476;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.indiancandy1.1:036a1f902e6a7d0baf97178fc7a27e84060ce2a60228e1ed417f230871f4812a
1150737;1433210476;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: indian viral video star living in london
1150738;1433210476;williamdunne;danielpbarron: She doesn't have her password unfortunately to here PGP key D:
1150739;1433210500;mjr_;anyway, kakobrekla around?
1150740;1433210507;trinque;mjr_: you could be that guy, but how would anyone know?
1150741;1433210515;mjr_;ugh
1150742;1433210523;mjr_;ok hold on, let me plug in my other computer
1150743;1433210534;mjr_;i don't know why anyone would care if i was that guy
1150744;1433210543;mjr_;since it literally makes 0 difference
1150745;1433210601;williamdunne;!up indiancandy1
1150746;1433210659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95491 @ 0.00033597 = 32.0821 BTC [-] {2} 
1150747;1433210665;trinque;mjr_: kakobrekla might if you're looking for him. consider if you will the value of making claims to an identity with hard proof
1150748;1433210671;indiancandy1;thanks 4 the rateing D
1150749;1433210697;mjr_;well, i will let kakobrekla be the judge of that
1150750;1433210727;indiancandy1;isnt mp the owner of this irc
1150751;1433210729;indiancandy1;?
1150752;1433210736;trinque;the amount of bitching people do over 10sec of work...
1150753;1433210739;mjr_;yeah i think he started it
1150754;1433210753;mjr_;10 seconds of work if you have your key on this computer...and you have used it recently
1150755;1433210765;mjr_;you might have to go back a year or so to find the last time i chatted here
1150756;1433210779;mjr_;but, i was at the first of the timisoara conferences
1150757;1433210793;indiancandy1;okay
1150758;1433210795;indiancandy1;good for you
1150759;1433210796;indiancandy1;LOL
1150760;1433210805;trinque;!b 4
1150761;1433210806;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GM9H90.txt )
1150762;1433210808;mjr_;and considering I don't think 10 seconds of work is worth it to say hi to someone
1150763;1433210821;trinque;mjr_: you're taking this far too seriously
1150764;1433210827;trinque;I was merely stating facts
1150765;1433210833;mjr_;what was the  fact?
1150766;1433210842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21259 @ 0.00034281 = 7.2878 BTC [+]
1150767;1433210852;trinque;that you are not you by virtue of saying "I am me" on IRC
1150768;1433210859;mjr_;i didn't say i was
1150769;1433210867;mjr_;i wasn't trying to prove that I am me
1150770;1433210877;mjr_;i was asking if anyone has seen kakobrekla recently
1150771;1433210884;trinque;you put a link to indicate who you were
1150772;1433210887;trinque;which is retarded
1150773;1433210900;mjr_;because someone else said "i'm registered josh isn't"
1150774;1433210907;mjr_;eh, maybe to you
1150775;1433210910;mjr_;i don't really care
1150776;1433210918;trinque;nor I
1150777;1433210968;mjr_;so, why press the point?
1150778;1433210982;mjr_;i wasn't necessarily talking to you about anything sensitive or financial in nature...
1150779;1433210994;mjr_;so there is no reason for you to know who I am, or care
1150780;1433210996;williamdunne;mjr_: Oh, it was me that said it. I meant that I'm registered so assbot listened to me
1150781;1433210999;mod6;wassup mjr: assbot doesn't have a fast time-out like gribble. so you can take your otp and decrypt on another box (air-gap) for instance and not have to worry.
1150782;1433211017;mjr_;yeah, working on it now
1150783;1433211021;mjr_;have to charge an old laptop
1150784;1433211037;mjr_;but again, it doesn't really matter if its me or not
1150785;1433211043;trinque;mjr_: dunno why this is hard for you... you made a claim to an identity, and I informed you that you really had done no such thing
1150786;1433211054;mjr_;or rather, it doesn't matter whether the person typing this is Josh Rossi or not
1150787;1433211058;trinque;as I would do towards anyone
1150788;1433211073;williamdunne;I can vouch that it is Josh Rossi
1150789;1433211077;mod6;well, it does to me!  we used to chat back in the day, i'd like to know if its mjr i.e. father of buttonwood or dog.
1150790;1433211080;mjr_;eh, if you say it is a claim, it wasn't meant as such
1150791;1433211085;mjr_;obvs
1150792;1433211091;williamdunne;mod6: It is buttonwood
1150793;1433211091;mjr_;but again, I am not trying to prove that it is me
1150794;1433211097;trinque;had a conversation earlier about how flat text is sometimes, which applies here
1150795;1433211111;indiancandy1;GOODNIGHT FELLAS
1150796;1433211113;mjr_;in other words, i don't have anything to discuss that must be proven to have come from me
1150797;1433211115;trinque;indiancandy1: cya!
1150798;1433211161;indiancandy1;by triny
1150799;1433211175;decimation;indiancandy1: do you live in a council house?
1150800;1433211258;trinque;mjr_: I'm amused that this offended you so deeply it required this much discussion
1150801;1433211266;trinque;if you don't want to auth by all means
1150802;1433211291;mjr_;it didn't offend me at all, i was just saying that in my humble opinion, auth'ing is useful if you want to prove you are the one who said something
1150803;1433211301;mjr_;since i don't have that need, it is not so important to me
1150804;1433211308;mjr_;but i might as well after all this
1150805;1433211391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70850 @ 0.00032208 = 22.8194 BTC [-] {2} 
1150806;1433211393;trinque;no, it's also so that those present can tell who the fuck you are
1150807;1433211415;williamdunne;Well, to be fair we already know who he is..
1150808;1433211422;trinque;you do, how do I?
1150809;1433211448;williamdunne;Well, hopefully you'd trust me enough to auth him. So you should think it is him even if you don't cryptographically know its him
1150810;1433211454;decimation;mjr_: the important part is that friends can be enumerated
1150811;1433211465;trinque;^
1150812;1433211482;trinque;williamdunne: ever heard "trust but verify" ?
1150813;1433211494;trinque;I'm not insulting the guy by saying "hello, who the fuck are you?"
1150814;1433211497;williamdunne;Yeah, but I don't think its always that necessary
1150815;1433211511;williamdunne;i.e if he was signing a contract, you verify that
1150816;1433211512;trinque;so you do
1150817;1433211514;decimation;williamdunne: it's necessary when there's a world full of zombies who want to waste your time
1150818;1433211525;williamdunne;But if he's coming and saying 'hello' why the fuck does it matter?
1150819;1433211548;trinque;because if I can see your face, and I've seen the face before, I'll know it
1150820;1433211551;trinque;this is that for the internet
1150821;1433211553;decimation;if by 'he's saying hello' you mean 'he has nothing to say', then it matters because of clutter
1150822;1433211585;williamdunne;trinque: What about if I call you and say "Hey its Wil"
1150823;1433211621;decimation;williamdunne: a poor but typical substitute for gpg auth
1150824;1433211639;trinque;that conversation would a) not be a part of the public forum and b) if I knew you well, we could more or less establish who each other were by familiarity, but ^ it sucks
1150825;1433211666;trinque;people should auth here for the same reason the deedbot- doesn't take any tattered scrap of paper from the street
1150826;1433211706;decimation;imagine you were attending a lecture on the fourier transform.  now imagine the lecture was taking place in an open booth on a london street
1150827;1433211707;williamdunne;I dunno, I just don't see auth as that important if they're not doing anything extraordinary
1150828;1433211721;decimation;would class be enhanced by random derps walking in and saying stupid shit?
1150829;1433211739;trinque;williamdunne: stating your opinion is no argument
1150830;1433211762;trinque;if it's not important why not remove the requirement on voice all together
1150831;1433211792;trinque;mjr_: note this is more a point about the general benefits; you can do as you please
1150832;1433211796;decimation;we used to have it that way; random derps would 'drop by and say hello'
1150833;1433211832;trinque;sounds fucking terrible
1150834;1433211840;trinque;see: every IRC channel that's ever been
1150835;1433211845;trinque;eventually rots
1150836;1433211984;trinque;!up liquidassets
1150837;1433212123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38759 @ 0.00032031 = 12.4149 BTC [-] {2} 
1150838;1433212131;trinque;!up mjr_
1150839;1433212611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78914 @ 0.00032388 = 25.5587 BTC [+] {2} 
1150840;1433213349;mjr_;understood
1150841;1433213362;mjr_;but i think comparing this to a class on a fourier transform is QUITE generous
1150842;1433213401;trinque;!down mjr_
1150843;1433213406;trinque;then go fuck yourself.
1150844;1433213833;williamdunne;Seems extreme
1150845;1433213999;trinque;williamdunne: modicum of respect is not a big ask
1150846;1433214032;williamdunne;I'm not entirely sure what he said means, but it didn't sound that disrespectful
1150847;1433214065;trinque;I heard "fuck you" "gpg isn't that important" and "this place isn't that important"
1150848;1433214105;trinque;this aside, decrypting a message from assbot takes far less time than his protestations that "it's pointless!"
1150849;1433214195;williamdunne;Well, I'll agree with the second bit, would take less time to decrypt that assbot message
1150850;1433214213;trinque;this attitude of being above it all is so american
1150851;1433214216;trinque;he is, isn't he?
1150852;1433214220;trinque;that's my guess anyway
1150853;1433214237;trinque;or maybe it's leaking elsewhere
1150854;1433214242;trinque;I have no fucking time for it
1150855;1433214258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00031909 = 16.2417 BTC [-]
1150856;1433214278;williamdunne;Dunno, he's in Panama IIRC
1150857;1433214283;williamdunne;Don't know his nationality
1150858;1433214289;williamdunne;WTF did I just find..
1150859;1433214289;williamdunne;http://i.imgur.com/gqdhidB.gifv
1150860;1433214362;williamdunne;I think he is "some french, some italian, and a smattering of various UK miscellany"
1150861;1433214372;williamdunne;;)
1150862;1433214379;trinque;heh
1150863;1433214450;trinque;guy shows up to a place, lets the people there know what they're doing isn't all that important
1150864;1433214457;trinque;hipsterism
1150865;1433214475;trinque;my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless
1150866;1433214646;williamdunne;I don't think that was his intention, however you took it
1150867;1433214735;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz
1150868;1433214735;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1150869;1433214916;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu last line of broadcast is not strictly correct - i also have a small number that i hand-assembled. but these don't count for the purpose of evaluating mf. corp.
1150870;1433214917;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1150871;1433214954;decimation;asciilifeform: what do you think of the macrofab folk so far?
1150872;1433214969;asciilifeform;decimation: read this month's broadcast when it comes out.
1150873;1433214972;asciilifeform;won't spoil it.
1150874;1433214987;WolfGoethe;Williamsburg broolklyn would be a nitemare for u. hipster centetral.plaid and skinny pants n beards
1150875;1433215165;trinque;WolfGoethe: I live in portland oregon, hipster mecca
1150876;1433215191;trinque;serious influx of californians lately too, it seems
1150877;1433215525;asciilifeform;decimation: to make long story short, the folks at macrofab are helpful and apparently well-intentioned, but they assemble using slaves, and it shows.
1150878;1433215527;decimation;trinque: they are fleeing the reconquistada as well as usg 'sitting' upon silicon valley
1150879;1433215583;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah in their podcast they said that most of their placement was by hand, save the 'house parts'
1150880;1433215594;asciilifeform;decimation: double-digit defect rate.
1150881;1433215599;decimation;heh
1150882;1433215643;decimation;90-95% yield is fairly acceptable
1150883;1433215654;decimation;but not with simple parts
1150884;1433215713;asciilifeform;it very seldom gets simpler than what i had them make
1150885;1433215776;decimation;what is the smallest pitch on your smt parts?
1150886;1433215799;asciilifeform;100% 0805 passives, two soic-8 ics
1150887;1433215813;asciilifeform;it was deliberately designed for hand-assembly
1150888;1433215817;decimation;heh that's not exactly challenging
1150889;1433215824;asciilifeform;one would think!
1150890;1433215865;asciilifeform;well, there is a third ic, sot353
1150891;1433215870;asciilifeform;so that'd be the smallest pitch
1150892;1433215877;asciilifeform;but oddly enough, that one is 100% on target
1150893;1433216018;decimation;it might be on the pick n' place.  or maybe the 'best' tech does the small stuff
1150894;1433216104;decimation;asciilifeform: was there tombstoning?
1150895;1433216118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00031292 = 15.427 BTC [-]
1150896;1433216122;decimation;you would have to try hard to tombstone an 0805
1150897;1433216164;mike_c;;;later tell mircea_popescu: requeting 1 eulor acct please
1150898;1433216165;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1150899;1433216301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00031909 = 5.8074 BTC [+]
1150900;1433216451;asciilifeform;decimation: not visibly
1150901;1433216625;decimation;asciilifeform: have you used a 'termtek' dumb terminal like so: http://www.termtek.de/635b.htm
1150902;1433216750;asciilifeform;decimation: can't say that i have
1150903;1433216755;asciilifeform;why?
1150904;1433216783;asciilifeform;looks surprisingly 'modern'
1150905;1433216855;decimation;I want to used for a 'remote head' on a server
1150906;1433216877;decimation;in combination with rs-422 adapters to send serial over cat5
1150907;1433216962;decimation;plus, is fanless
1150908;1433217234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19211 @ 0.00031367 = 6.0259 BTC [-]
1150909;1433217478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00032439 = 21.4908 BTC [+]
1150910;1433218332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00032274 = 15.7336 BTC [-] {2} 
1150911;1433218637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00031301 = 25.9798 BTC [-] {2} 
1150912;1433220650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40323 @ 0.00031825 = 12.8328 BTC [+]
1150913;1433220711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00032302 = 18.9613 BTC [+]
1150914;1433220833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29386 @ 0.00032403 = 9.5219 BTC [+]
1150915;1433224127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00032041 = 14.7549 BTC [-]
1150916;1433224188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83950 @ 0.00031269 = 26.2503 BTC [-] {4} 
1150917;1433225835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45516 @ 0.00031075 = 14.1441 BTC [-] {3} 
1150918;1433226567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC
1150919;1433227604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00031987 = 14.714 BTC [+]
1150920;1433227665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85544 @ 0.00032423 = 27.7359 BTC [+] {2} 
1150921;1433228275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16420 @ 0.00032449 = 5.3281 BTC [+]
1150922;1433228946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90800 @ 0.00031323 = 28.4413 BTC [-] {2} 
1150923;1433229252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00031102 = 16.1108 BTC [-] {2} 
1150924;1433229359;cazalla;qntra down for anyone else? ddos back eh?
1150925;1433229467;punkman;down for me
1150926;1433229912;bad_duck;it loads in like.. 30 secs here
1150927;1433229964;bad_duck;last news: "Foundation Report Brings Bitcoin Client Performance Improvement and Testing" (June 1)
1150928;1433230166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106234 @ 0.00030865 = 32.7891 BTC [-] {3} 
1150929;1433231752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79136 @ 0.00032406 = 25.6448 BTC [+] {3} 
1150930;1433232423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76321 @ 0.00032501 = 24.8051 BTC [+] {2} 
1150931;1433233094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00032058 = 17.3113 BTC [-]
1150932;1433233338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00032047 = 5.4159 BTC [-]
1150933;1433233482;cazalla;https://www.change.org/p/international-olympic-committee-revoke-caitlyn-jenner-s-olympic-medals
1150934;1433233542;cazalla;sounds fair to me lol
1150935;1433234518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42239 @ 0.00031677 = 13.38 BTC [-]
1150936;1433236041;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150200 <<< how'd you get it running on ubuntu? please to be sharing or post a guide for windows gamer like myself
1150937;1433236041;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 21:05:33; mike_c: jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries?  my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues..  just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.
1150938;1433236165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39444 @ 0.0003251 = 12.8232 BTC [+]
1150939;1433236653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44250 @ 0.00031615 = 13.9896 BTC [-]
1150940;1433236714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12705 @ 0.0003251 = 4.1304 BTC [+]
1150941;1433236775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53095 @ 0.00032758 = 17.3929 BTC [+] {2} 
1150942;1433237324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00031609 = 20.5142 BTC [-] {2} 
1150943;1433237690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20790 @ 0.00032784 = 6.8158 BTC [+]
1150944;1433238483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00032244 = 10.6566 BTC [-] {2} 
1150945;1433238910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10141 @ 0.00032997 = 3.3462 BTC [+]
1150946;1433239459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43289 @ 0.00033036 = 14.301 BTC [+]
1150947;1433239590;davout;;;later tell GAit ty!
1150948;1433239590;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1150949;1433240191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23811 @ 0.00031961 = 7.6102 BTC [-]
1150950;1433241106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48629 @ 0.00033233 = 16.1609 BTC [+]
1150951;1433241251;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, your outstanding shipping bill is $70 and i still have a box of NSA tees taking up space in my studio
1150952;1433241272;nubbins`;given that the outstanding debt and the box of tees are 18 months old and 20 months old, respectively, i think it's time we settle up
1150953;1433241350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00033233 = 9.4049 BTC [+]
1150954;1433242326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5855 @ 0.00111 = 6.4991 BTC
1150955;1433242910;nubbins`;lel @ BTR
1150956;1433242918;nubbins`;they announced the ipo 30 minutes prior
1150957;1433242997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11412 @ 0.00032677 = 3.7291 BTC [-]
1150958;1433243173;cazalla;is that risto reptiles thing nubbins` ?
1150959;1433243180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00032677 = 22.7269 BTC [-]
1150960;1433243180;punkman;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=BTR&action=getdetails
1150961;1433243242;punkman;"bitcoins are property so we can barter for startup equite with them without being accredited investors"
1150962;1433243278;cazalla;the barter ocf mentions a "Pietila Group" so i guess it might be him
1150963;1433243363;punkman;http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54fcda9ce4b0edea648d9cea/t/556813c6e4b0f0a8f2e606e8/1432884171206/ lol
1150964;1433243423;punkman;such spellcheck
1150965;1433243739;cazalla;not just spelling.. check out those custom made barter ocf t-shirts! http://i.imgur.com/byt16Te.png
1150966;1433243799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00032824 = 21.3028 BTC [+]
1150967;1433243921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28729 @ 0.00032824 = 9.43 BTC [+]
1150968;1433244137;copypaste;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php is taking quite a long time to respond, longer than my timeout
1150969;1433244197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19935 @ 0.00033233 = 6.625 BTC [+]
1150970;1433244197;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1150971;1433244197;jurov;copypaste: trilema is ddos'd
1150972;1433244197;copypaste;Oh, okay then
1150973;1433244235;copypaste;https://8ch.net/proxy.php?csurl=http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php will display an error of "Ad failed to load, ad server probably down." if it takes longer than 7 seconds for a reply
1150974;1433244295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50665 @ 0.00033743 = 17.0959 BTC [+] {2} 
1150975;1433244295;copypaste;I was just making him aware, because it is working sometimes.
1150976;1433244478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31771 @ 0.00032915 = 10.4574 BTC [-]
1150977;1433244503;jurov;yes i can confirm trilema loads in ~ 7s here
1150978;1433244539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11929 @ 0.00032677 = 3.898 BTC [-]
1150979;1433244601;jurov;dunno  how that could be easily fixed. since mircea recoiled in horror from the "proxied php" setup, he can't easily split tittylick.php into other process with higher priority
1150980;1433244905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69750 @ 0.00033756 = 23.5448 BTC [+]
1150981;1433245468;mircea_popescu;copypaste heh yeah, there's some kid figures himself hot stuff
1150982;1433245480;mircea_popescu;buys a little ddos now and again when his allowance allows.
1150983;1433245579;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/
1150984;1433245639;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1150985;1433245639;jurov;deedbot doesn't do html
1150986;1433245689;mircea_popescu;aha yeah. ima fix it in a sec
1150987;1433245700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00033128 = 8.8783 BTC [-] {2} 
1150988;1433246076;jurov;i spent hours roaming the landscape and searching for anything to pick up.. not very impressive first impression
1150989;1433246208;mircea_popescu;you gotta explore jurov
1150990;1433246210;mircea_popescu;as in /explore
1150991;1433246221;jurov;it says i don't have skill for that
1150992;1433246249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00033756 = 6.6499 BTC [+]
1150993;1433246252;mircea_popescu;ah, there's an item hidden around that gives the skill for that
1150994;1433246258;jurov;lol
1150995;1433246268;mircea_popescu;too well hidden huh ? :D
1150996;1433246295;jurov;i keep finding only chicken scribbles and mysterious stones
1150997;1433246322;jurov;and other kinds of stones
1150998;1433246601;mircea_popescu;there's another one :D
1150999;1433246849;jurov;where? underwater?
1151000;1433246931;chetty;just checked the db to be sure, there are indeed another item out there...but I suppose I should go actually look
1151001;1433246944;mircea_popescu;nah, overland
1151002;1433247042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00032677 = 8.0385 BTC [-]
1151003;1433247364;jurov;another mysterious rock.. i give up, will exchange for whatever exploring skill
1151004;1433247491;jurov;if that item is supposed to be ceramic, maybe i don't see it
1151005;1433247495;jurov;crystalspace.maploader.parse.image:
1151006;1433247497;jurov;  Could not open image file 'ceramic_dds' on VFS!
1151007;1433247813;BingoBoingo;jurov: Interested in reviewing the Eulora beta for qntra?
1151008;1433247853;jurov;i'd prefer not to. i want it to succeed.
1151009;1433247934;jurov;i'd be like "everyone keeps telling me to /explore but i could not find in 3 hours the item that enables it"
1151010;1433247957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00033787 = 14.3933 BTC [+] {2} 
1151011;1433248244;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1151012;1433248254;mircea_popescu;jurov reports are in : the item's there alright.
1151013;1433248262;mircea_popescu;before you find it, you can still craft
1151014;1433248271;mircea_popescu;but you'll have to buy shiot from merchant to get you started
1151015;1433248567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51550 @ 0.00032785 = 16.9007 BTC [-] {2} 
1151016;1433248743;*;pete_dushenski is home again.
1151017;1433248766;pete_dushenski;thanks be to all who !up'd me while away !
1151018;1433249020;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0FW45QS << the involved ips, if anyone cares.
1151019;1433249157;williamdunne;Involved in testing Eurola?
1151020;1433249228;mircea_popescu;involved in ddosing mah server earlier
1151021;1433249231;mircea_popescu;what copypaste reported.
1151022;1433249259;williamdunne;Ah that makes more sense
1151023;1433249264;williamdunne;Seemed like too many
1151024;1433249311;mircea_popescu;moving on to step two of my day, breakfast! after which ima make more eulora accts, mike_c danielpbarron an who else wanted.
1151025;1433249525;pete_dushenski;"Popescu you're the dumbest fuck on the planet and have no authority to call anyone else an idiot." << quite the saucy qntra commenter
1151026;1433249539;pete_dushenski;NO AUTHORITAY!11
1151027;1433249578;pete_dushenski;one can only imagine who said dumbfuck imagines qualified to call others idiots
1151028;1433249591;mircea_popescu;o.O
1151029;1433249598;mircea_popescu;well at least this one can spell.
1151030;1433249702;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/05/ross-ulbricht-sentenced-to-life-in-prison/#comment-25515 << lots of angry on the interwebs. who knew.
1151031;1433249762;mircea_popescu;(other than any woman over 20)
1151032;1433249766;pete_dushenski;women over 20 are calmer ?
1151033;1433249785;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150845 << heh. 'el minimo...'
1151034;1433249785;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 02:59:59; trinque: williamdunne: modicum of respect is not a big ask
1151035;1433249791;mircea_popescu;no, just, if they try and date they're gonna meet 'em
1151036;1433249908;pete_dushenski;fair enough
1151037;1433249943;mircea_popescu;ask anyone. "impotent anger, #1 red flag".
1151038;1433249945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39299 @ 0.00033202 = 13.0481 BTC [+]
1151039;1433249960;jurov;from #eulora: <chetty> nah just wait a minute or so, death hasnt really been implemented yet
1151040;1433249962;jurov;hahahaha
1151041;1433249986;mircea_popescu;jurov dja have any idea how sadpuppies anyone'd have been if i implemented death before marriage ?
1151042;1433249996;mircea_popescu;not even irl god has that rotten a sense o humor.
1151043;1433250009;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150578 << solid little tour !
1151044;1433250009;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 01:01:40; williamdunne: I'm pretty fucking excited, Bucharest -> Prague -> Istanbul is gonna be fun
1151045;1433250023;mircea_popescu;those aren't in order are they ?
1151046;1433250036;jurov;really, this needs much more time to be able to grasp the game idea and write something positive
1151047;1433250048;mircea_popescu;anyway, istanbul's great, prague's fulla sluts and therefore greater. bucharest... whatevs.
1151048;1433250091;pete_dushenski;of those 3, prague definitely has the best womenz
1151049;1433250138;*;mircea_popescu prefers the turkish 35lb butt to the czech slender type
1151050;1433250139;pete_dushenski;prague and istanbul both have fantastic food, bucharest is meh in this regard as well
1151051;1433250189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87550 @ 0.00033824 = 29.6129 BTC [+] {2} 
1151052;1433250201;pete_dushenski;romanian women would be right in between the bubblebutturks and the skinnyczechs
1151053;1433250227;pete_dushenski;more skeptical in their disposition too
1151054;1433250246;pete_dushenski;which can only lead to better conversation
1151055;1433250262;mircea_popescu;they can curse better than either
1151056;1433250267;mircea_popescu;THAT can lead to excellent conversation
1151057;1433250351;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3TCDRSQ.txt
1151058;1433250411;pete_dushenski;i'd say romanian chicks are just sharper in general
1151059;1433250411;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1151060;1433250411;mircea_popescu;this may well be true
1151061;1433250411;*;mircea_popescu is happy with the quality of female.ro intellect 
1151062;1433250501;pete_dushenski;from all the ones i've come across, an admittedly smaller but still far from zero quantity, female.ro is right up there with the best of 'em
1151063;1433250521;pete_dushenski;for intellect.
1151064;1433250524;mircea_popescu;course you probably stuck to the danube plain, where all the garbage ends up.
1151065;1433250536;mod6;Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 326594
1151066;1433250598;mircea_popescu;cool.
1151067;1433250716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182200 @ 0.00034148 = 62.2177 BTC [+] {8} 
1151068;1433250777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3251 @ 0.00033202 = 1.0794 BTC [-]
1151069;1433250982;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i'm talking mostly about the ones that've made their way to canada
1151070;1433250991;mircea_popescu;aok
1151071;1433251068;pete_dushenski;plus, when i was in romania, i was in sinaia, brasov, timisoara, and a few other places, not just danube :)
1151072;1433251144;pete_dushenski;speaking of traveling, fuck me if i don't have four sets of friends who just got engaged in the last month or two
1151073;1433251159;pete_dushenski;if another one of them has a wedding at the same time as $conference....
1151074;1433251165;pete_dushenski;c4, that is.
1151075;1433251177;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, warn them nao
1151076;1433251256;pete_dushenski;and spoil the look on their face when i tell them that something in the world might be more important than their wedding ?
1151077;1433251325;pete_dushenski;"One way to un-cast the Islamic State’s spell over its adherents would be to overpower it militarily and occupy the parts of Syria and Iraq now under caliphate rule. Al‑Qaeda is ineradicable because it can survive, cockroach-like, by going underground. The Islamic State cannot. If it loses its grip on its territory in Syria and Iraq, it will cease to be a caliphate. Caliphates cannot exist as underground mov
1151078;1433251326;pete_dushenski;ements, because territorial authority is a requirement: take away its command of territory, and all those oaths of allegiance are no longer binding. Former pledges could of course continue to attack the West and behead their enemies, as freelancers. But the propaganda value of the caliphate would disappear, and with it the supposed religious duty to immigrate and serve it.
1151079;1433251356;pete_dushenski;^seriously, where do people get these swiss cheese heads ?
1151080;1433251387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29352 @ 0.00032677 = 9.5914 BTC [-]
1151081;1433251409;pete_dushenski;isis is no more capable of being destroyed by the usa's excuse for a military than al-queda was
1151082;1433251426;pete_dushenski;fuck, al-queda should've been a walk in the park by comparison.
1151083;1433251438;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski roflmao. "one way to stop sucking would be to rule instead"
1151084;1433251439;jurov;they're more like taleban
1151085;1433251442;mircea_popescu;you don't fucking say...
1151086;1433251473;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the record, the only cockroaches in the middle west are the americans atm.
1151087;1433251486;pete_dushenski;middle east ?
1151088;1433251488;mircea_popescu;their underground being made up out of random social media
1151089;1433251497;pete_dushenski;not that midwest isn't also full of 'em
1151090;1433251502;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1151091;1433251531;mircea_popescu;anyway, who the fuck came up with the territorial nonsense quoited above anyway ?
1151092;1433251573;pete_dushenski;http://gcaw.net/ << graeme wood in an article for 'the atlantic'
1151093;1433251633;mircea_popescu;you'd think people actuaslly involved in strategic planning have enough of a tin ear to hear the sort of "o noes, things aren't like we have emotionally invested ourselves into them being, let us rehash how trhings shjould be so we don't have  to change or even examine our priors" whine.
1151094;1433251633;pete_dushenski;http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
1151095;1433251693;mircea_popescu;territory's not worth squat. bitcoin, tmsr~ does actually better than any known state PRECISELY because all its territory is virtual.
1151096;1433251694;mircea_popescu;territory was important when the economy was based on working the land.
1151097;1433251694;mircea_popescu;then the industrial revolution came, and england was the size of a cumsplotch, and it didn't matter.
1151098;1433251694;mircea_popescu;today...
1151099;1433251694;mircea_popescu;heh, why do i even bother.
1151100;1433251694;pete_dushenski;keep going !
1151101;1433251694;mircea_popescu;lol
1151102;1433251706;nubbins`;more like slowassbot
1151103;1433251708;mircea_popescu;find me a state in the history of the world that can run the sort of deficits we run.
1151104;1433251712;nubbins`;my timely quip is no longer timely
1151105;1433251721;decimation;can't eat a digital biscuit
1151106;1433251722;mircea_popescu;slownubs ?
1151107;1433251722;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: heh.
1151108;1433251733;mircea_popescu;decimation you know this is what people said too ? "can't eat an iron sword"
1151109;1433251745;mircea_popescu;yeah dude, you can. and it's your choice to either feed me or eat it. how about that.
1151110;1433251765;pete_dushenski;mp hungry.
1151111;1433251777;mircea_popescu;i can't eat a digital biscuit, meanwhile you go make someone shove pens in his butt, without the digital biscuit.
1151112;1433251799;nubbins`;so i just got this in an email from my isp
1151113;1433251801;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/3C9GNZW.png
1151114;1433251861;*;nubbins` golf claps
1151115;1433251861;decimation;the surplus of bitcoin failed to help dpr
1151116;1433251861;nubbins`;graphs are non-accurate tho
1151117;1433251861;mircea_popescu;100 mb, not so bad.
1151118;1433251861;mircea_popescu;decimation and the pretorian guard failed to help nero.
1151119;1433251861;pete_dushenski;decimation: it's necessary but not sufficient
1151120;1433251861;nubbins`;mild panic this past winter when i realized the obstruction my metal snow shovel wouldn't pound through was... fibre into the house
1151121;1433251861;nubbins`;but it was ok!
1151122;1433251873;pete_dushenski;dpr lacked surplus of intelligence in other regards
1151123;1433251874;mircea_popescu;they're reinforced to hell precisely because of people like you.
1151124;1433251881;nubbins`;well, you're welcome
1151125;1433251886;mircea_popescu;lol
1151126;1433251901;mircea_popescu;srsly, for about 10 years it was like "omfg world please stop cutting cables"
1151127;1433251903;nubbins`;guy asked me if i wanted fibre to the pole or the door
1151128;1433251907;mircea_popescu;world went "sorrieh!!1s"
1151129;1433251916;mircea_popescu;eventually it was "fuck this shit, we make them as tough as pipes"
1151130;1433251920;nubbins`;"is it any extra fee to bring it to the door?"  "nope"  "what kinda beer do you drink?"
1151131;1433251925;mircea_popescu;suddenly... 99% drop in accidental cuttings
1151132;1433251925;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: what modem do you have ?
1151133;1433251951;nubbins`;pete it's an "actiontech" or smth
1151134;1433251969;mircea_popescu;the modem not the hot tub
1151135;1433251985;nubbins`;actiontec
1151136;1433251990;pete_dushenski;i'm in the market for a new modem. don't want to swallow whatever cisco garbage shaw cable provides
1151137;1433251998;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski pogo.
1151138;1433252022;*;pete_dushenski hadn't considered this...
1151139;1433252113;nubbins`;actually sorry
1151140;1433252117;nubbins`;here's where the fibre ends
1151141;1433252118;nubbins`;http://www.muamat.com/adpics/53627a873210bc5d72fa8a32a.jpg
1151142;1433252178;nubbins`;it's an i-240g-b
1151143;1433252178;nubbins`;hm, apparently this actiontec router might be worth tossing
1151144;1433252200;pete_dushenski;a neato
1151145;1433252239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17939 @ 0.00032139 = 5.7654 BTC [-]
1151146;1433252383;pete_dushenski;http://www.hitrontech.com/en/cable_detail.php?id=62 << this appears to be local cable co's new offering
1151147;1433252505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.00032061 = 2.344 BTC [-]
1151148;1433252506;scoopbot_revived;Elonis Wins At US Supreme Court http://qntra.net/2015/06/elonis-wins-at-us-supreme-court/
1151149;1433252515;williamdunne;Scoopbot is behaving well
1151150;1433252546;BingoBoingo;For now
1151151;1433252565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22948 @ 0.00032308 = 7.414 BTC [+] {3} 
1151152;1433252578;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yeah not bad
1151153;1433252580;williamdunne;Yeah, think he last went down maybe two weeks ago?
1151154;1433252601;williamdunne;Guessing the new reconnecting stuff actually works
1151155;1433252605;*;BingoBoingo still has the expectation that scooping bots go rogue
1151156;1433252619;BingoBoingo;Like Deeding bots go missing
1151157;1433252633;*;williamdunne is actually just sitting at home refreshing people's RSS feeds pretending to be a bot
1151158;1433252639;BingoBoingo;And assbot makes the world go round
1151159;1433252671;BingoBoingo;* williamdunne is actually just sitting at home refreshing people's RSS feeds pretending to be a bot << Oh, that's how oglafbot works
1151160;1433252692;williamdunne;Aha really? Thats kinda funny
1151161;1433252700;williamdunne;Although I guess you just have to check every Sunday so not too bad
1151162;1433252796;williamdunne;http://oglaf.com/feeds/rss/
1151163;1433252856;williamdunne;If you want I could just add oglaf to scoopbot..
1151164;1433252856;mircea_popescu;yes.
1151165;1433252870;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGA8HcHWMAASfqV.jpg
1151166;1433252930;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://dpaste.com/3VSXH7F
1151167;1433252990;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron http://dpaste.com/0Y1XJ8D
1151168;1433253119;scoopbot_revived;BitBet (S.BBET) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-may-2015-statement/
1151169;1433253226;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://dpaste.com/1YMM4N3
1151170;1433253451;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149668 << lol frenchie's a hardass and i suspect he's growing a moustache!
1151171;1433253451;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 14:47:09; davout: bye!
1151172;1433253471;nubbins`;here's one for asciilifeform
1151173;1433253472;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/eIuHT8a.jpg
1151174;1433253545;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149703 << whjat the fuck sort of failed cult is this then
1151175;1433253545;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 15:06:01; shinohai: This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.
1151176;1433253549;mircea_popescu;i didn't sign up for this!
1151177;1433253576;mircea_popescu;nubbins` poultry dildo ?
1151178;1433253588;nubbins`;bluetooth dongle w/ fake antenna
1151179;1433253610;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Its okay, the cult has been restored with a t-shirt with your face on it
1151180;1433253618;williamdunne;I'm impressed so far with Romanian hospitality
1151181;1433253662;mircea_popescu;the disadvantage of being romanian
1151182;1433253671;williamdunne;23:48:16 - menahem: what do you guys think of this tee ?
1151183;1433253671;williamdunne;23:48:18 - menahem: http://screencast.com/t/LxNozQwn7t3
1151184;1433253731;williamdunne;23:49:17 - williamdunne: Well, its official, we're a cult.
1151185;1433253731;williamdunne;23:49:19 - menahem: hahaha
1151186;1433253731;williamdunne;23:51:05 - menahem: debating if i should add a quote to it
1151187;1433253731;williamdunne;23:51:45 - williamdunne: "I'm better than you" should suffice
1151188;1433253731;williamdunne;23:52:53 - menahem: "this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."
1151189;1433253731;mircea_popescu;anywhere you go, you're unimpressed with the local assholery.
1151190;1433253731;williamdunne;23:53:41 - WolfGoethe [~textual@cpe-74-66-238-187.nyc.res.rr.com] entered the room.
1151191;1433253731;williamdunne;23:53:47 - williamdunne: +1
1151192;1433253731;williamdunne;23:53:51 - williamdunne: Fuck it, I'd buy it
1151193;1433253731;williamdunne;Aha
1151194;1433253731;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut.
1151195;1433253731;williamdunne;It really is incredible how helpful the lady has been, I'm used to the standard snobbery from others in her position
1151196;1433253731;williamdunne;Yeah
1151197;1433253741;williamdunne;It actually doesn't look half-bad on the t-shirt
1151198;1433253755;mircea_popescu;if georgie ouzounian runs into you somewhere in dusty utah and you're wearing that shirt and it reads  "I'm better than you" he's probably going to accost you.
1151199;1433253801;williamdunne;I'm not awful at running, I'll take my chances
1151200;1433253841;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150951
1151201;1433253841;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 10:34:11; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, your outstanding shipping bill is $70 and i still have a box of NSA tees taking up space in my studio
1151202;1433253846;nubbins`;!
1151203;1433253856;mircea_popescu;i know!
1151204;1433253867;mircea_popescu;are you sueing me yet ?
1151205;1433253873;nubbins`;no, but:
1151206;1433253875;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150952
1151207;1433253875;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 10:34:32; nubbins`: given that the outstanding debt and the box of tees are 18 months old and 20 months old, respectively, i think it's time we settle up
1151208;1433253882;mircea_popescu;aha aite.
1151209;1433253887;mircea_popescu;addy ?
1151210;1433253902;nubbins`;1CzZMzXzA9jtRDNEcG1jzfL5MfxRyVjUxD
1151211;1433253916;mircea_popescu;this has been the most distant christmas in hystory, but! apparently it's coming.
1151212;1433253929;nubbins`;woo
1151213;1433253939;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ima send you 0.(3) bitcoin
1151214;1433253951;nubbins`;i'll shake the spiders out of the remaining inventory at no extra charge
1151215;1433253958;mircea_popescu;tyvm o.O
1151216;1433253960;nubbins`;HEH
1151217;1433253980;mircea_popescu;what sort of industrial warehouse do you run in your own house over there!!
1151218;1433253981;mircea_popescu;spiders ?!
1151219;1433253995;nubbins`;sec, i have pix
1151220;1433253999;nubbins`;found a crazy one today
1151221;1433254048;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/ak5LjiC.jpg
1151222;1433254108;mircea_popescu;that's not so bad
1151223;1433254122;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/jXuwMo7.jpg
1151224;1433254182;nubbins`;looked less intimidating outdoors
1151225;1433254182;mircea_popescu;wolf spiders, they chase!
1151226;1433254257;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_may9nl7Nmj1qzeiaco1_1280.jpg
1151227;1433254326;mircea_popescu;tijuana abortions ever more gruesome
1151228;1433254437;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150070 << word.
1151229;1433254437;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 20:16:56; trinque: little guy seems to be doing alright
1151230;1433254452;nubbins`;found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegenaria_domestica
1151231;1433254512;mircea_popescu;ayup
1151232;1433254825;nubbins`;in other news, we're prolly gonna break last year's gross income by late july
1151233;1433255088;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151226 << looks like a dude 'enjoying' a homemade dulap !?
1151234;1433255088;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 14:10:57; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_may9nl7Nmj1qzeiaco1_1280.jpg
1151235;1433255106;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or that.
1151236;1433255180;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: update since last night: got reply from mf. they will re-do the duds.
1151237;1433255195;thestringpuller;;;isup qntra.net
1151238;1433255196;gribble;qntra.net is down
1151239;1433255208;thestringpuller;qntra crashed
1151240;1433255312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cool
1151241;1433255403;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yaya, moar wiff teh script kiddies.
1151242;1433255461;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151037 << obligatory >> http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/PeaceNikki72/uAgkm.jpg << originally a u.s. politico spoof, but has been 'memed' for many years with various photodiddles
1151243;1433255461;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 12:59:03; mircea_popescu: ask anyone. "impotent anger, #1 red flag".
1151244;1433255556;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DB096A7B64B9F4A9CE82785D9AF80E50E2AAE4BCC607BF6BFDACDD92BF65873C << we already had it in 'magic 98' yes
1151245;1433255616;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i've been told to use hate as a measurement of success.
1151246;1433255637;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 'oderint dum metuant' (TM) (R)
1151247;1433255719;nubbins`;gr8 h8 m8
1151248;1433255834;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com
1151249;1433255836;gribble;trilema.com is down
1151250;1433255951;chetty;its ok tho, Eulora is up
1151251;1433256065;pete_dushenski;;;isup contravex.com
1151252;1433256066;gribble;contravex.com is up
1151253;1433256090;pete_dushenski;guess i've been ruffling the wrong feathers of late ?
1151254;1433256092;nubbins`;brb testing vpn
1151255;1433256122;asciilifeform;some miscellaneous lulz: http://larvatus.livejournal.com/558422.html
1151256;1433256182;asciilifeform;and an unusually entertaining orlol: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html
1151257;1433256483;pete_dushenski;"So, for instance, if it turned out that Obama were indeed a space lizard (how embarrassing!) the administrator would simlply click on “conspiracy theories,� click on the checkbox next to “Obama is a space lizard,� and click “uninstall.�"
1151258;1433256500;pete_dushenski;ok, i lol'd
1151259;1433256692;pete_dushenski;"I would respond that if he has a SIM card in his phone, then the phone emits roaming signals which allow its position to be determined with surprisingly good accuracy by using multilateralization—measuring its relative signal strength at several of the surrounding cell phone towers." << doesn't this require 'stingray' ?
1151260;1433256702;pete_dushenski;or is that just for improved accuracy ?
1151261;1433256914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.000328 = 9.5284 BTC [+]
1151262;1433256919;mircea_popescu;lmao this noob.
1151263;1433257009;thestringpuller;;;ud impotent rage
1151264;1433257010;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=impotent+rage | impotent rage. When a man can't get it up, everything bothers him. He whines, throws tantrums and if someone mentions the word "laid" the rage takes over.
1151265;1433257046;mike_c;mircea_popescu: got the acct info, thanks
1151266;1433257280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25348 @ 0.000328 = 8.3141 BTC [+]
1151267;1433257392;mike_c;cazalla: I'm going to try dual-booting another box of mine and see if i can get eulora/ubuntu going.  I'll post my step-by-step if it works
1151268;1433257546;mod6;thanks.
1151269;1433257641;mod6;i tried to get it up and going lastnight on the throw-away ubuntu lappy has an intel graphics card.  i had the previous release running on there, but have since wiped it.  everything compiled fine lastnight.  'cept when starting `euclient`, it complained about no 3d graphics or something similar.
1151270;1433257658;mod6;gonna mess with it later tonight.  i don't remember what I did before to resolve this, been too long.
1151271;1433257707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127271 @ 0.00033676 = 42.8598 BTC [+] {3} 
1151272;1433257960;chetty;mod6 what version ubuntu?
1151273;1433258134;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150083 << that entire thing has absolutel;y nothing to do with "investors"
1151274;1433258134;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 20:22:07; Landgull: They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.
1151275;1433258146;mircea_popescu;it just calls people that if that's what they want to be called.
1151276;1433258169;mircea_popescu;if you're so inclined, you can find a woman on the street willing to call your bar bills "investments", and then make you some kids to invest into further.
1151277;1433258181;mircea_popescu;that's the nature of this "investment". "we can use your money"
1151278;1433258417;BingoBoingo;Bethesda is announcing Fallout 4 tomorrow, hot on the heels of the Eulora beta announcement.
1151279;1433258602;mircea_popescu;lol
1151280;1433258608;mircea_popescu;3 was such a disappointment
1151281;1433258670;BingoBoingo;I enjoyed it, but also missed out on 1&2
1151282;1433258688;mircea_popescu;ah
1151283;1433258717;BingoBoingo;I enjoyed that Fallout 3.5 game in Vegas more than 3 though
1151284;1433258804;mod6;<+chetty> mod6 what version ubuntu? << 14.10? not sure off the top of my head. i'll work on it tonight. will let you know.
1151285;1433258829;mod6;im sure it's fine.
1151286;1433259094;nubbins`;pete_dushenski doesn't what require stingray
1151287;1433259101;nubbins`;triangulating your position based on cell towers?
1151288;1433259415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00034434 = 16.976 BTC [+]
1151289;1433259431;BingoBoingo;MPOE's been holding up for a while nao
1151290;1433259572;menahem;williamdunne thanks for sharing the shirt, lol. :)  ill have it available for purchase soon, tweaking the shipping options.
1151291;1433259689;williamdunne;Aha, very welcome
1151292;1433259964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.0003451 = 30.4033 BTC [+] {3} 
1151293;1433259987;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: determining the position of a sim card.
1151294;1433260042;pete_dushenski;if all you need are cell phone towers to determine location, why the fuck does stingray matter ?
1151295;1433260121;pete_dushenski;ftr i don't know that 'stingray' is all that useful, may be 'teaching the controversy'
1151296;1433260696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35851 @ 0.00031709 = 11.368 BTC [-] {2} 
1151297;1433260993;nubbins`;it's useful if the telco tells you to fuck off
1151298;1433261048;nubbins`;look, your phone's connected to x towers right now, each with a diff signal strength. basic math gives a rough location
1151299;1433261075;nubbins`;stingray would ostensibly be a single-point unit, less useful for triangulation, more of a "warmer/colder" style
1151300;1433261154;pete_dushenski;makes sense.
1151301;1433261181;pete_dushenski;telco telling cops to fuck off though ? maybe 10 years ago.
1151302;1433261197;pete_dushenski;not that there wouldn't be some red tape and paperwork, i suppose.
1151303;1433261203;nubbins`;go back and re-watch The Wire and see the hassle they went through tapping cell phones, and then imagine giving them a suitcase that blasts out the strongest cell signal in the projects so every phone preferentially tries to connect to it
1151304;1433261223;nubbins`;it's a boon for cops
1151305;1433261238;pete_dushenski;the wire was also 10 years ago
1151306;1433261244;pete_dushenski;based on intel older than that
1151307;1433261263;nubbins`;sure, and a lot of the problems surrounding that part of the puzzle are different now
1151308;1433261284;nubbins`;but in all cases, going through official routes to get info from telco vs just turning on a piece of kit?
1151309;1433261308;nubbins`;especially if your department head doesn't give a fuck when/where you use your stingray
1151310;1433261319;nubbins`;(the inevitable outcome, duh)
1151311;1433261370;pete_dushenski;i can see it.
1151312;1433261390;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/m5zWPPx.jpg
1151313;1433261450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00031568 = 10.5121 BTC [-]
1151314;1433261450;lobbes;<BingoBoingo> I enjoyed it, but also missed out on 1&2 << Same boat here. I never played 1 & 2, but thoroughly enjoyed 3 & 3.5. My buddy, who had played the originals, also felt disappointed. It's all relative (tm), I guess.
1151315;1433261450;pete_dushenski;needless to say, stingray or tower triangulation are more expensive to implement than gps tracking in smartphones
1151316;1433261510;pete_dushenski;so if security is a matter of making attacks expensive, a dumbphone still trumps a smartphone
1151317;1433261843;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: did the derp from fortune who didn't link to qntra ever come clean ?
1151318;1433261853;nubbins`;this vpn doles out a paltry 17mbit/s
1151319;1433261880;pete_dushenski;who are you using ?
1151320;1433261890;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski mno.
1151321;1433261894;nubbins`;giving pia a shot
1151322;1433261919;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sorta figured as much
1151323;1433261934;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: ya, pia is pretty damn slow
1151324;1433262040;pete_dushenski;i've been doing some reading on this jaron lanier fellow, looking for an angle to roast him on for a blog post but i have to admit i'm at a loss
1151325;1433262061;nubbins`;smokes weed
1151326;1433262065;nubbins`;obv
1151327;1433262069;pete_dushenski;the dude is so all over the map, markov chaining so hard, that i have nothing to grab onto without pulling the entire universe along with me
1151328;1433262098;pete_dushenski;ya, the dreads are a bit rasta eh
1151329;1433262150;pete_dushenski;ah well, fuck it. if anyone falls for his rambling nonsense, they deserve it.
1151330;1433262300;nubbins`;"He proposes a two-way linking system that would point to the source of any piece of information, creating an economy of micropayments that compensates people for original material they post to the web."
1151331;1433262350;nubbins`;imagine those youtube pop-up text ads, but "like the sound in this scene? send satoshis to 1Rambo5SoundGuyxxx"
1151332;1433262365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94450 @ 0.00031806 = 30.0408 BTC [+] {2} 
1151333;1433262436;pete_dushenski;pretty much his proposal, except extended even further so that people sharing their biometrics or whatever with their insurance companies or employers would be paid extra
1151334;1433262460;pete_dushenski;it's welfare with the DIGNITY of having earned it.
1151335;1433262467;pete_dushenski;just for existing, obv.
1151336;1433262482;pete_dushenski;but because it was willingly shared, it magically has value.
1151337;1433262563;nubbins`;if it didn't have value, people wouldn't collect it, mmm?
1151338;1433262603;pete_dushenski;precisely like seashells on the beach
1151339;1433262624;pete_dushenski;value being a very subjective thing when there's no scarcity or fungibility
1151340;1433262647;pete_dushenski;it's not like your fatass heartrate is a monet
1151341;1433262650;nubbins`;sure
1151342;1433262655;nubbins`;value changes over time, too
1151343;1433262671;nubbins`;maybe the lighting in Heat was too blue for audiences in the late 2010s
1151344;1433262681;nubbins`;but was rad as hell in the mid 2030s
1151345;1433262705;pete_dushenski;well that's just fashion, which is inherently worthless.
1151346;1433262729;pete_dushenski;'audiences' being 'the people' and therefore incapable of imparting value on anything whatsoever
1151347;1433262740;nubbins`;maybe the insurance company has a very large need of biometric data when figuring out rates for a new policy program
1151348;1433262745;nubbins`;but not so much of a need for em later.
1151349;1433262785;nubbins`;put another way
1151350;1433262791;mircea_popescu;curl: (23) Failed writing body
1151351;1433262794;mircea_popescu;that's a new one.
1151352;1433262803;nubbins`;what's the value of a sheet of toilet paper while you're taking a shit, vs while you're taking a shower?
1151353;1433262820;nubbins`;would you pay $5 for it while you're shampooing your hair?
1151354;1433262834;nubbins`;how 'bout when you just shit yourself in the parking lot outside the funeral home?
1151355;1433262852;jurov;http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/yoko-ono-i-had-an-affair-with-hillary-clinton-in-the-70s/ hehehee
1151356;1433262934;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1151357;1433262934;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0TJ07ME.txt )
1151358;1433262953;BingoBoingo;markov bash!
1151359;1433262983;nubbins`;heh
1151360;1433263026;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: if said insurance company needs data now, why wouldn't it need more data later with which to compare the original info ?
1151361;1433263045;pete_dushenski;http://www.magicaltux.net/post/120528127244/didnt-we-learn-anything << lookee who else ain't dead. fatso !
1151362;1433263106;nubbins`;oh, it just might
1151363;1433263106;nubbins`;if pumpkin futures for october are through the roof, why wouldn't they be even higher just after xmas?
1151364;1433263131;pete_dushenski;but if, say, biometric data is a pre-condition for coverage, that doesn't mean that the insurance company should be paying you to use it
1151365;1433263183;pete_dushenski;"One entity would be specialized in handling of coins. It would focus mostly on security, and could also offer processing for other things than exchanges (I’m thinking about Lightning, for example). Existing wallet services are probably in a good position to start working on this kind of solutions." << what a fucking retard. no spellcheck, no braincheck...
1151366;1433263219;pete_dushenski;"let's decentralise the parts of a human body so that it can be more efficient"
1151367;1433263239;pete_dushenski;"you take the legs, i'll take the chest, he'll take the ears !"
1151368;1433263277;pete_dushenski;cripes you'd think that 600k coins or whatever he embezzled would buy him a tutor.
1151369;1433263294;pete_dushenski;and a non-tumblr website.
1151370;1433263327;pete_dushenski;and a photographer with a proper camera for a portrait shot
1151371;1433263381;pete_dushenski;!gettrust NewLiberty
1151372;1433263382;assbot;Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user NewLiberty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=NewLiberty | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/NewLiberty/
1151373;1433263410;pete_dushenski;NewLiberty: you can self-voice dude
1151374;1433263429;BingoBoingo;!up NewLiberty
1151375;1433263566;NewLiberty;I used to be able to anyhow
1151376;1433263593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20760911 = 1.038 BTC [+]
1151377;1433263609;punkman;pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: you can self-voice dude << it says 0 via 2 there
1151378;1433263619;fluffypony;jurov: I don't know if I can trust a website called "worldnewsdailyreport" :-P
1151379;1433263626;NewLiberty;has to be >0 to self voice
1151380;1433263677;punkman;magicaltux blogging again... just shameless isn't he.
1151381;1433263720;pete_dushenski;NewLiberty: ah, i thought it was just assbot's l2 for some reason
1151382;1433263734;NewLiberty;Fluffypony, have you digested the borromean ring stuff yet?
1151383;1433263765;NewLiberty;I'm still chewing on it
1151384;1433263773;fluffypony;NewLiberty: no, too buggered and travelling at the moment, so will look at it on Friday once I've landed back in SA and spent a day recovering :)
1151385;1433263890;NewLiberty;Yes, it is one that takes work.  More so for me certainly.
1151386;1433263909;punkman;is that a monero thing?
1151387;1433263921;williamdunne;punkman: Am I the only one thinking he might not be *entirely* to blame? (Entirely as if in he was incompetent, but someone else committed the bad deed.
1151388;1433263931;williamdunne;)
1151389;1433263939;punkman;williamdunne: possibly
1151390;1433263948;NewLiberty;Gmaxwell paper on a privacy method
1151391;1433263965;punkman;link?
1151392;1433263999;fluffypony;it's not a privacy method, NewLiberty
1151393;1433264007;fluffypony;adding it to Bitcoin won't add privacy
1151394;1433264019;fluffypony;it's part of a wider crypto ecosystem that remains under wraps at the moment
1151395;1433264023;NewLiberty;https://github.com/Blockstream/borromean_paper/raw/master/borromean_draft_0.01_34241bb.pdf
1151396;1433264083;fluffypony;but the advantage for Monero is that we may be able to adopt the scheme to reduce our signature size and verification effort
1151397;1433264083;NewLiberty;Right, that is an important distinction.
1151398;1433264088;NewLiberty;It does more for monero than for bitcoin
1151399;1433264095;fluffypony;I'm terribly interested in what gmaxwell is up to, but he's already said that whatever guesses we have about this wider system we'd be wrong :)
1151400;1433264149;williamdunne;Holy cow, SSDs have got cheaper since I last checked..
1151401;1433264151;williamdunne;http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-2-5-Inch-Warranty-SDSSDXPS-960G-G25/dp/B00KHRYR0U
1151402;1433264211;williamdunne;960gb for $440, not bad
1151403;1433264211;williamdunne;Oh wow, even better
1151404;1433264211;williamdunne;http://betanews.com/2015/06/01/sandisk-announces-2tb-ssd-in-its-new-extreme-900-lineup/
1151405;1433264271;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the problem with not shooting retards is that they accumulate.
1151406;1433264271;williamdunne;Three year warranty on the 2tb one though kinda sucks
1151407;1433264271;NewLiberty;The zero knowledge oracle pieces, Fiat-Shamir, being put to a good use would be a nice add.
1151408;1433264302;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that's a strong argument for axetime
1151409;1433264333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00031568 = 3.3778 BTC [-]
1151410;1433264382;pete_dushenski;NewLiberty: good how ? nice how ?
1151411;1433264385;mircea_popescu;williamdunne being stupid and acting like you're important and should be relied on is something one gets blamed for entirely.
1151412;1433264398;mircea_popescu;blame attaches according to sin, not according to the size of the fireball.
1151413;1433264455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00031473 = 15.8939 BTC [-] {2} 
1151414;1433264516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00031745 = 14.9836 BTC [+]
1151415;1433264608;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150090 << there's certainly too much of this psychiatric sort of behaviour around. "what are you doing for a living ?" "i make people feel better about themselves"
1151416;1433264608;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 20:24:23; ben_vulpes: make everyone feel really cool for investing
1151417;1433264648;pete_dushenski;this is also teachers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, you name it.
1151418;1433264657;pete_dushenski;everyone be in the "helping people" business
1151419;1433264672;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150119 << and now you see how b-a gets a bad name
1151420;1433264672;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 20:28:02; williamdunne: Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum
1151421;1433264673;pete_dushenski;"helping" with feelings, of course
1151422;1433264686;punkman;Borromean Nonsense I say
1151423;1433264694;mircea_popescu;"THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WHO EXPECT US TO MAKE SENSE AND DONT CARE ABOUT HOW THIS MAKES US FEEL!!1"
1151424;1433264723;mircea_popescu;the evil cult of taptweutmsadcahtmuf
1151425;1433264731;pete_dushenski;cruel and unusual, this.
1151426;1433264827;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski there's a great seinfeld episode in which that weasel costanza goes to a job interview, decides to show up to work as if he had passed it, the somewhat confused receptionist gives him a choice of offices, he takes the smaller one.
1151427;1433264837;BingoBoingo;taptweutmsadcahtmuf << I dunno this word, but "sad" seems important. Our cult gives outsiders the sads
1151428;1433264847;mircea_popescu;then his boss comes back, discovers he's not done any work, and george goes "consider i am in the smaller office!"
1151429;1433264877;mircea_popescu;by know there's an entire generation of this office scum : their job is to "x and be nice". they do exactly as much work as any guppi
1151430;1433264881;mircea_popescu;but... CONSIDER I WAS NICE!11
1151431;1433264882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00031745 = 12.444 BTC [+]
1151432;1433264968;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: and guppi's expect to be treated "nice" in return
1151433;1433264989;pete_dushenski;resulting in a very congenial, even convivial environs with which to get exactly nothing done
1151434;1433265002;NewLiberty;pete_dushenski: the ultimate gmaxwell use remains a mystery, but the method described is also useful for other purposes which may be more immediately nice.  (less computer resource needed for some monero functions)
1151435;1433265003;pete_dushenski;thus, the bureaucracy is the ideal home
1151436;1433265013;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Context?
1151437;1433265059;BingoBoingo;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/great-someone-managed-to-sign-facebooks-pgp-key-with-an-ascii-goatse
1151438;1433265119;pete_dushenski;NewLiberty: o_O gmaxwell de facto working on monero nao ?
1151439;1433265129;mircea_popescu;williamdunne hm ?
1151440;1433265178;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150147 << da fuck do they do in the rangers, parkour ?
1151441;1433265178;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 20:46:23; mats: the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards
1151442;1433265183;NewLiberty;Yes.  The paper has some potentially helpful implications there.
1151443;1433265228;nubbins`;BingoBoingo lul
1151444;1433265714;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Context of "williamdunne being stupid and acting like you're important and should be relied on is something one gets blamed for entirely."
1151445;1433265730;mircea_popescu;magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"
1151446;1433265741;mircea_popescu;yes, he is. nobody asked fatso to pretend like he's a banker nao.
1151447;1433265809;mircea_popescu;you're lmao
1151448;1433265837;williamdunne;Oh right, I meant that he might not be entirely responsible for the loss.
1151449;1433265893;mircea_popescu;that is a certainty. most of the loss is purely imaginary anyway
1151450;1433265936;mircea_popescu;like the TRILLIONS of dollars a derpy website "on the deep web o.O" that couldn't sell a kilo of coke is nevertheless associated with in usg paperwork.
1151451;1433265971;mircea_popescu;indian candy prolly has more candy laying around her place than sr ever moved.
1151452;1433266094;williamdunne;Lol
1151453;1433266126;williamdunne;TBH every time more details come out about the whole MtGox shit-heap, it sounds more and more like there was a significant USG element to the almighty fuck up
1151454;1433266339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47665 @ 0.00030951 = 14.7528 BTC [-] {2} 
1151455;1433266375;mats;http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-wang-says-ivy-league-discriminates-against-asians-2015-5
1151456;1433266435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00031671 = 11.164 BTC [+]
1151457;1433266531;pete_dushenski;"Wang still feels as if he was unfairly rejected from the Ivies. "I think I deserve better than what I got," he said.""
1151458;1433266544;pete_dushenski;This just in : azns are just as meta-fabulous as white kids
1151459;1433266557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00030853 = 33.3675 BTC [-] {2} 
1151460;1433266646;pete_dushenski;if the article's picture tells us anything, it's that the kid probably didn't woo the socks off the interview panel, if there even was one.
1151461;1433266740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00031671 = 8.0761 BTC [+]
1151462;1433266872;mats;#thestruggle
1151463;1433267346;mats;mircea_popescu: mostly they starve you for days while you go on missions
1151464;1433267457;mircea_popescu;hm.
1151465;1433267459;mats;mircea_popescu: and then towards the end you have to pass a timed, weighted march after doing a 5mi run and some other events
1151466;1433267473;mats;usually its the former that breaks people.
1151467;1433267496;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> like the TRILLIONS of dollars a derpy website "on the deep web o.O" that couldn't sell a kilo of coke is nevertheless associated with in usg paperwork. <<< wasn't supposed to sell kilos of coke 8)
1151468;1433267546;nubbins`;6dollarshirts.com would probably have a very hard time selling cotton by the bale, as an analogy
1151469;1433267579;mats;oops, 2mi run
1151470;1433267596;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it got prosecuted for selling cotton by the bale, ftr.
1151471;1433267612;nubbins`;sure did.
1151472;1433267612;mircea_popescu;i have no objection to whatever model being used, but it'd better be used consistently!
1151473;1433267620;nubbins`;flew too close to the sun on wings made of wax.
1151474;1433267636;mircea_popescu;in the terms it's being discussed (cotton baller), it sucked.
1151475;1433267656;mircea_popescu;ftr : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/cotton-store-cairo.jpg
1151476;1433267716;nubbins`;sure, but in terms of being a bald eagle, you suck.
1151477;1433267716;scoopbot_revived;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/
1151478;1433267716;*;pete_dushenski thought of george sr's 'cornballer' from arrested development
1151479;1433267716;nubbins`;doesn't mean you're not a top bloke otherwise, regardless of the foolishness of your building an eyre or whatevertf
1151480;1433267769;nubbins`;aerie
1151481;1433267770;nubbins`;w/e
1151482;1433267786;mircea_popescu;im working on the bald eagle thing.
1151483;1433267807;nubbins`;i figured you'd get something in motion when alf mentioned this a while back.
1151484;1433267808;pete_dushenski;"As in the great days of the Studio System, NSA's star male lead spent a lot of time loaned out to other studios this Spring. The critically panned "RSA In The Soup!" trilogy was just packaged recently, while filming for the Thermonuked Chicken Saga continues." << haha priceless
1151485;1433267820;pete_dushenski;'stan the star' (tm)
1151486;1433267831;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-05-2015#1123038
1151487;1433267831;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 20:13:20; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122989 << l0l - how about as an elephant? eagle ?
1151488;1433267838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00031671 = 5.1782 BTC [+]
1151489;1433267854;mircea_popescu;scam.
1151490;1433267948;mircea_popescu;cascading logsheets check that out.
1151491;1433267996;nubbins`;CLS
1151492;1433268007;nubbins`;also an acronym for content management systems that don't manage things very well
1151493;1433268035;nubbins`;o look, new eulora src
1151494;1433268099;mircea_popescu;oya
1151495;1433268136;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/VgG931z.gifv
1151496;1433268196;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9byzW1Rd1rkb8clo1_1280.jpg aka smallcock.jpg
1151497;1433268256;mircea_popescu;omg.
1151498;1433268256;nubbins`;fluffypony :0
1151499;1433268256;fluffypony;ikr
1151500;1433268256;mircea_popescu;that poor old lady
1151501;1433268256;nubbins`;HAHA HAPPY BIRTHDAY WE'RE GOING TO COVER YOU IN POLYURETHANE FOAM AND LIGHT YOU UP
1151502;1433268257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00031671 = 1.6944 BTC [+]
1151503;1433268271;nubbins`;i think it was the tracksuit guy who doused her w/ flame
1151504;1433268318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35852 @ 0.00032439 = 11.63 BTC [+] {4} 
1151505;1433268339;*;pete_dushenski wonders if stan is more of a Vyuacheslav Savitskiy (cossack general turned silver screen star) or Aleksandr Voloshin (white army officer turned silver screen star)
1151506;1433268379;pete_dushenski;mp is definitely goldwyn/mayer
1151507;1433268385;pete_dushenski;http://www.russianamericanbusiness.org/web_CURRENT/articles/8/1/Hollywood&%2339%3Bs-Russian-Roots
1151508;1433268445;mircea_popescu;nubbins` he does stand around suspiciously unconcerned
1151509;1433268445;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you mean lb mayer ?
1151510;1433268450;pete_dushenski;lazar yakovlevich mayer
1151511;1433268470;pete_dushenski;golwyn's partner
1151512;1433268474;mircea_popescu;iirc it was just lazar meir
1151513;1433268486;pete_dushenski;goldwyn*
1151514;1433268607;mats;https://regex.alf.nu
1151515;1433268667;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150338 << i read "where are you basted" and i thought... she'd better say "midway"
1151516;1433268667;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 23:46:20; williamdunne: Where are you based?
1151517;1433268692;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yzoyNrxr1rg1prvo1_1280.jpg << visual for the basting.
1151518;1433268816;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150376 << o.O
1151519;1433268816;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 00:14:20; WolfGoethe: portland was nice. met a super model lookin type girl there... she told me she hasn;t had a date in 6 months.. i was like why??? she said because the guys in portland are to scared to even say hi to her... lol
1151520;1433268822;williamdunne;Noice
1151521;1433268840;mircea_popescu;so THIS is why ben_vulpes & trinque don't invite us over huh.
1151522;1433268851;williamdunne;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9byzW1Rd1rkb8clo1_1280.jpg aka smallcock.jpg << seems like a poor choice to be naked in front of the camera
1151523;1433268911;williamdunne;fluffypony: Darwinism in action?
1151524;1433268911;trinque;mircea_popescu: heh, and the german girls are too scared to visit!
1151525;1433268915;mircea_popescu;im still having the occasional chuckle over that episode.
1151526;1433268947;mircea_popescu;williamdunne honestly if i iwas doing fetish photography, i'd only use below average dudes.
1151527;1433269019;williamdunne;How come?
1151528;1433269051;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150424 << you know, that picture doesn't take itself...
1151529;1433269051;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 00:25:08; WolfGoethe: instagram has women like this... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11230425_818749641507034_1768860839_n.jpg
1151530;1433269084;mircea_popescu;williamdunne better trademark than you know, trying to put a watermark on the pics.
1151531;1433269094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78883 @ 0.00030763 = 24.2668 BTC [-] {3} 
1151532;1433269142;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150433 << so eat better.
1151533;1433269142;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 00:27:11; trinque: never do I look at my food or ass and say "goddamn someone needs to see this shit"
1151534;1433269191;williamdunne;Lol, small dick studios
1151535;1433269242;nubbins`;babydick bus
1151536;1433269263;nubbins`;er well i guess babydick bros now
1151537;1433269272;trinque;8D Media
1151538;1433269282;mircea_popescu;toes before hoes.
1151539;1433269288;trinque;haha
1151540;1433269306;mircea_popescu;and i'd only hire black dudes too
1151541;1433269317;mircea_popescu;and then apply to the uk's service of investing in derpy airports in fucking plymouth
1151542;1433269327;mircea_popescu;to give me $$$ because i hired the most unfortunate people alive
1151543;1433269331;mircea_popescu;black men with small dicks.
1151544;1433269343;williamdunne;Lol
1151545;1433269357;williamdunne;South West of the UK is poor as shit
1151546;1433269360;williamdunne;Nothing happens here
1151547;1433269371;williamdunne;Hence why we have 1 billionaire out of (104?) in the UK
1151548;1433269377;mircea_popescu;shut up, that's got staines in da hood there. represent
1151549;1433269378;mircea_popescu;respek
1151550;1433269422;williamdunne;restecp
1151551;1433269482;mircea_popescu;West Staines Massif 4evar
1151552;1433269493;williamdunne;east side is the best
1151553;1433269511;mircea_popescu;;;lasers williamdunne
1151554;1433269511;williamdunne;Imma rewatch that actually
1151555;1433269512;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
1151556;1433269519;williamdunne;fuckin lold
1151557;1433269602;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150496 win\
1151558;1433269602;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 00:41:59; Adlai: !b 2
1151559;1433269603;thestringpuller;;;laserkittens
1151560;1433269604;gribble;ุ �˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
1151561;1433269611;pete_dushenski;o hey wawrinka beat federer in straight sets.
1151562;1433269693;mircea_popescu;he's old
1151563;1433269740;pete_dushenski;that's what i thought too. like 3 years ago. guy's still at it and still winning
1151564;1433269765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81633 @ 0.0003071 = 25.0695 BTC [-]
1151565;1433269826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20717 @ 0.0003058 = 6.3353 BTC [-]
1151566;1433269836;mircea_popescu;!rate indiancandy1 1 williamdunne's hand puppet.
1151567;1433269836;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6fb65a65f3ecc1ef
1151568;1433269859;williamdunne;In other news, CIPC (the South Africa company registration/copyright people) use the TIF image format exclusively
1151569;1433269866;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.indiancandy1.1:b1b19f36f745b76e2d677cacd319cd1b9f52078b7606335173e617bf9e64bbca
1151570;1433269866;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: williamdunne's hand puppet.
1151571;1433269869;williamdunne;First time I've ever used that format
1151572;1433269874;williamdunne;Nice rating
1151573;1433269885;williamdunne;Although she doesn't have the key to access it D:
1151574;1433269922;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150641 << mno lol
1151575;1433269922;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 01:20:57; williamdunne: Can kakro overrule this when he is online I wonder?
1151576;1433269937;williamdunne;Oh shet
1151577;1433269939;mircea_popescu;williamdunne teaches you to ask the girl if she's on contraception BEFORE sticking it in.
1151578;1433269972;williamdunne;mYeah, guessing the only option is a new nick, or to work out her password
1151579;1433269975;williamdunne;ah well
1151580;1433270009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00030379 = 19.8071 BTC [-] {3} 
1151581;1433270016;mircea_popescu;indeed. you can't administratively undo people's keys, thinkaboutit.
1151582;1433270034;williamdunne;Well technically kak could
1151583;1433270068;williamdunne;Guessing he has access to the DB, but yeah I kinda see why he shouldn't
1151584;1433270085;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150704 << we have our standards lol
1151585;1433270085;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 01:49:50; WolfGoethe: only the geekiest of the crypto geeks would go thru all that just to post big booty pics
1151586;1433270225;mircea_popescu;dude check out all the logdramaz.
1151587;1433270253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00031655 = 21.5571 BTC [+] {2} 
1151588;1433270297;williamdunne;Did you see the response Sandhill gave me when I asked if they were gonna leave the US?
1151589;1433270329;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1151590;1433270344;mircea_popescu;"we like the kindergarten and think we belong here."
1151591;1433270349;mircea_popescu;prolly right.
1151592;1433270466;williamdunne;Yep, nationalism seems strange as hell to me
1151593;1433270475;williamdunne;If  country is holding me back, I'm gonna move
1151594;1433270486;mircea_popescu;that's not what's happening there.
1151595;1433270530;mircea_popescu;what's happening there is, "all i know how to do is spend the unemployment benefits. i can only talk to girls if they share X Y Z very narrow preconceptions, my conversation revolves around internet faux news and internet faux outrage" etc.
1151596;1433270553;chetty;williamdunne, yeah but where to? pretty much all like that these days
1151597;1433270613;williamdunne;chetty: Seems like the USG is the only one who would prosecute someone for offering CFDs built on smart-contracts
1151598;1433270642;chetty;point!
1151599;1433270668;williamdunne;chetty: Much like Argentina so far hasn't given two shits that MP runs MPEX (AFAIK)
1151600;1433270680;mircea_popescu;neither did romania
1151601;1433270693;nubbins`;neither did SEC, as it turns out
1151602;1433270697;mircea_popescu;tbh, neither did the us
1151603;1433270697;williamdunne;True
1151604;1433270700;nubbins`;heh
1151605;1433270704;williamdunne;Well, SEC couldn't give that many shits
1151606;1433270705;mircea_popescu;nubbins` lol
1151607;1433270713;williamdunne;But they have previously fined people for running bitcoin securities
1151608;1433270717;chetty;rofl
1151609;1433270752;mircea_popescu;williamdunne you know there's a shitload more to it than "saying so on reddit".
1151610;1433270788;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150865 << check out the sensitized trinque. does portland suck or something ? :D
1151611;1433270788;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 03:07:55; trinque: my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless
1151612;1433270802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.0003301 = 15.3827 BTC [+]
1151613;1433270845;williamdunne;So I'm guessing if MP was US citizen or lived in US, they would have tried something
1151614;1433270845;williamdunne;So more a matter of practicality rather than if they care or not
1151615;1433270845;williamdunne;Its not like S.DICE lost investors money, ran a ponzi, or whatever
1151616;1433270845;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Exactly, only the USG seems to care
1151617;1433270845;williamdunne;Hence why I think they should tell the US to go fuck itself and move pretty much anywhere
1151618;1433270900;mircea_popescu;you will note that contrary to deceitful reporting to the contrary, by both the sec itself and the usg prop machine,
1151619;1433270907;mircea_popescu;s dice was at no point involved.
1151620;1433270918;mircea_popescu;what was involved was, the guy, and his feed ze birds glbse asset.
1151621;1433270946;mircea_popescu;of which nobody much heard or cares to much remember, but nevertheless.
1151622;1433270959;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150924 << on an' off.
1151623;1433270959;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 07:15:59; cazalla: qntra down for anyone else? ddos back eh?
1151624;1433271007;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150962 << ohohoh so much win.
1151625;1433271007;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 11:07:58; cazalla: the barter ocf mentions a "Pietila Group" so i guess it might be him
1151626;1433271044;mircea_popescu;!up williamdunne1
1151627;1433271055;mircea_popescu;http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54fcda9ce4b0edea648d9cea/t/556813c6e4b0f0a8f2e606e8/1432884171206/ dawg this shit has to be reposted.
1151628;1433271115;williamdunne1;This is getting very annoying, can't get back into williamdunne
1151629;1433271115;mircea_popescu;what in the everloving fuck
1151630;1433271115;mircea_popescu;williamdunne1 msg nickserv release
1151631;1433271123;williamdunne1;Any luck
1151632;1433271128;williamdunne1;Nope
1151633;1433271138;williamdunne1;Fuck it, I'll close the whole thing off
1151634;1433271218;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150979 << i could of course just move it to a diff server, but whatevs.
1151635;1433271218;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 11:30:01; jurov: dunno  how that could be easily fixed. since mircea recoiled in horror from the "proxied php" setup, he can't easily split tittylick.php into other process with higher priority
1151636;1433271304;williamdunne;I'm back
1151637;1433271312;williamdunne;First off all how DAER you
1151638;1433271335;williamdunne;I founded BarterOCF it is mi favorit AMAZING company
1151639;1433271335;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1151640;1433271412;*;mircea_popescu suspects this entire pietilla thing is elaborate parody.
1151641;1433271420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23102 @ 0.0003301 = 7.626 BTC [+]
1151642;1433271425;mircea_popescu;very well made, at that, so allow me to be the first one to clap.
1151643;1433271526;diana_coman; I've got eulora to compile under windows 8.1, but then the client quits: "psclient has stopped working. Windows is checking for a solution to the problem..."
1151644;1433271542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5148 @ 0.00033608 = 1.7301 BTC [+]
1151645;1433271544;mircea_popescu;"reboot your computer" ?
1151646;1433271567;diana_coman;neah, it waits a bit and then it "will let you know" when it finds one :)))
1151647;1433271659;williamdunne;Traditionally the response is "have you tried turning it off and on again"
1151648;1433271664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30091 @ 0.00032743 = 9.8527 BTC [-]
1151649;1433271718;diana_coman;yeah, I have the misfortune of having enough windows experience to know the famous "cure"
1151650;1433271729;williamdunne;I chuckled http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/386el0/this_post_is_not_about_the_block_size_limit/
1151651;1433271789;williamdunne;In fairness, I've had to do that a few times on Ubuntu
1151652;1433271789;williamdunne;Hell, some stuff has been more stable on my windows machine than on here, but not all that much
1151653;1433271850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229750 @ 0.00030088 = 69.1272 BTC [-] {6} 
1151654;1433271863;mircea_popescu;ida ?
1151655;1433271884;diana_coman;ubuntu is nowadays very much like windows I'd say
1151656;1433271894;mircea_popescu;quite.
1151657;1433271924;diana_coman;the reason for which I am currently seriously searching for some OS to have on my machine, as I can't stand ubuntu anymore
1151658;1433271950;chetty;just stop upgrading it, stick with an old version
1151659;1433271991;mircea_popescu;yeah, nothing past 10.04 was ever approved for usage anyway.
1151660;1433272023;diana_coman;well yes, that's what I did for the moment: got an older version
1151661;1433272026;diana_coman;but ...
1151662;1433272037;diana_coman;I still can't stand it anymore, lol
1151663;1433272046;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1151664;1433272055;mircea_popescu;make a working gentoo.
1151665;1433272167;mircea_popescu;mod6 was working on getting one together but im sure he can use help
1151666;1433272196;williamdunne;The only reason Ubuntu is nice, is that everything is packageized
1151667;1433272222;williamdunne;Maybe I'll move to debian
1151668;1433272252;diana_coman;it could be interesting - I'll need to have a look at gentoo as I haven't really looked at it in ages
1151669;1433272257;mircea_popescu;debian used to work. then it got packaged into ubuntu, and the remainder was shot in the head with systemd crapolade.
1151670;1433272388;williamdunne;Oh, great. All I want is a stable OS with a well populated package manager
1151671;1433272395;williamdunne;Lord, why won't you grant me this wish
1151672;1433272463;mircea_popescu;myeah. a b-a os, in the shape of an usable open source something without idiocy/usgity baked in and with decent defaults so that people can install it without dedicating their life to it is ever more required.
1151673;1433272509;williamdunne;We should call it loper
1151674;1433272515;williamdunne;Or maybe loper-os
1151675;1433272521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00031969 = 5.2429 BTC [+]
1151676;1433272547;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1151677;1433272623;pete_dushenski;"Starting on 27 June 2015, SMS notifications from Google Calendar will no longer be sent. SMS notifications were launched before smartphones were available. Now, in a world with smartphones and notifications, you can get a richer, more reliable experience on your mobile device, even offline." << well fuck that.
1151678;1433272652;*;pete_dushenski kinda liked the text messages 45 min before events.
1151679;1433272760;chetty;everyone must have a 'smartphone', how else they gonna keep track of you?
1151680;1433272765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63261 @ 0.00032136 = 20.3296 BTC [+] {3} 
1151681;1433272794;pete_dushenski;as if writing 1000 lines a week in here wasn't enough data.
1151682;1433272813;pete_dushenski;but hey, not everyone fits in that category, i guess.
1151683;1433272816;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/development pretty countdown is on :P
1151684;1433272876;mircea_popescu;lol. this is a bad format
1151685;1433272876;mircea_popescu;they have no fucking idea what to do wioti it
1151686;1433272876;mircea_popescu;yo Naphex , want a banner on 8chan ?
1151687;1433272876;Naphex;(has no idea what 8chan is )
1151688;1433272876;Naphex;never got into chans
1151689;1433272897;mircea_popescu;mk. want 500k or so impressions ?
1151690;1433272914;Naphex;ofc
1151691;1433272918;williamdunne;Naphex: Registered as a model
1151692;1433272928;mircea_popescu;728x90, make me a banner.
1151693;1433272939;williamdunne;Naphex: I'll be in Bucharest next week to audition for you
1151694;1433272948;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut ?
1151695;1433272963;Naphex;williamdunne: will actually be in mamaia from saturday
1151696;1433272965;Naphex;doing the launch
1151697;1433272975;mircea_popescu;Naphex cu pizde ?
1151698;1433272976;Naphex;you're welcomed to join http://www.awsummit.com/
1151699;1433273036;Naphex;mircea_popescu: yeah ofcourse,we got some romanian playboy model
1151700;1433273036;Naphex;and some other gimmicks :P
1151701;1433273036;williamdunne;damn it, now how will I make my audition
1151702;1433273036;mircea_popescu;Naphex daca-mi trimiti ceva poze ok & exclusive iti fac articol pe trilema.
1151703;1433273041;Naphex;mircea_popescu: aye, rezolv de toate
1151704;1433273046;Naphex;o sa-i zic la cora sa pregateasca
1151705;1433273056;mircea_popescu;cool.
1151706;1433273063;williamdunne;Naphex: Fuck it, I'd actually go to that summit with you, but I've got a flight to Prague on Thursday
1151707;1433273069;williamdunne;*next Thursday
1151708;1433273100;mircea_popescu;Naphex da' pizda goala nu cacaturi. trilema e anti softcore
1151709;1433273118;pete_dushenski;http://foaas.com/
1151710;1433273178;Naphex;mircea_popescu: :))
1151711;1433273178;scoopbot_revived;Line betting on BitBet, May 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-may-2015/
1151712;1433273228;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ancient trilema commenter chick used to link to foib.org
1151713;1433273231;hanbot;mircea_popescu if trilema is anti-softcore why isn't shit allowed?
1151714;1433273233;hanbot;har har
1151715;1433273239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36895 @ 0.00033223 = 12.2576 BTC [+]
1151716;1433273302;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol
1151717;1433273311;hanbot;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0KM1CWY
1151718;1433273371;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1151719;1433273371;pete_dushenski;hanbot: .txt
1151720;1433273371;mircea_popescu;lol
1151721;1433273371;hanbot;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0KM1CWY.txt
1151722;1433273431;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1151723;1433273431;hanbot;thanks pete. damned if i ever manage it correctly on the first try
1151724;1433273431;pete_dushenski;np :)
1151725;1433273431;jurov;why no one is hosting .txt version of stuff themselves?
1151726;1433273431;pete_dushenski;i'd guess that something in the order of 30% of deeds are correctly submitted and accepted on the 1st try.
1151727;1433273482;jurov;still, not having to copy text from html can be handy when deedbot link is not provided
1151728;1433273508;mircea_popescu;jurov im not sure what you're asking ?
1151729;1433273538;jurov;everyone just copies the clearsigned test and pastes it to wordpress
1151730;1433273542;jurov;*text
1151731;1433273559;jurov;it may be a problem to get the text back so that it verifies
1151732;1433273569;jurov;so i'm asking to upload the original as attachemnt
1151733;1433273574;jurov;*attachment
1151734;1433273578;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151672 << i don't expect to live to see this. needs standardized iron
1151735;1433273578;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 19:14:23; mircea_popescu: myeah. a b-a os, in the shape of an usable open source something without idiocy/usgity baked in and with decent defaults so that people can install it without dedicating their life to it is ever more required.
1151736;1433273596;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: eat better !
1151737;1433273614;jurov;like i do here [GPG signed statement]: http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement
1151738;1433273674;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1151739;1433273674;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
1151740;1433273690;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea, that.
1151741;1433273791;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: wai wat
1151742;1433273796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21405 @ 0.00032115 = 6.8742 BTC [-]
1151743;1433273810;hanbot;jurov yeah i think i'll adopt your method from now on.
1151744;1433274039;nubbins`;referredbyloper: welcome
1151745;1433274044;nubbins`;favourite type of cheese?
1151746;1433274090;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151532 ;)
1151747;1433274090;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 18:19:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150433 << so eat better.
1151748;1433274162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35545 @ 0.00033004 = 11.7313 BTC [+]
1151749;1433274564;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1151750;1433275077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00032889 = 12.8267 BTC [-]
1151751;1433275456;mircea_popescu;U.S. ambassador to England, Joseph Kennedy, also told the studios to stop making pro-British and anti-German films, as British defeat was imminent and there was no point in America holding out alone: 'With England licked, the party's over.'
1151752;1433275475;mircea_popescu;things that never happened in 1939, an archive.
1151753;1433275748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34348 @ 0.00031159 = 10.7025 BTC [-] {2} 
1151754;1433275870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00030008 = 6.0016 BTC [-]
1151755;1433275992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00030008 = 6.1516 BTC [-]
1151756;1433276053;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151267 <<< thanks in advance
1151757;1433276053;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 15:03:12; mike_c: cazalla: I'm going to try dual-booting another box of mine and see if i can get eulora/ubuntu going.  I'll post my step-by-step if it works
1151758;1433276236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12519 @ 0.00030008 = 3.7567 BTC [-]
1151759;1433276335;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: link to the 1939 thing ?
1151760;1433276424;gabriel_laddel;!up ascii_field
1151761;1433276663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43620 @ 0.00031155 = 13.5898 BTC [+]
1151762;1433276724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00031166 = 10.2692 BTC [+]
1151763;1433276846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00031155 = 3.9723 BTC [-]
1151764;1433277029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00031166 = 1.7297 BTC [+]
1151765;1433277768;lobbes;ascii_field: curious myself, I googled teh quote. Found a wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_B._Mayer#cite_ref-Eyman.2C_p._277_69-0
1151766;1433277828;lobbes;'From September, 1939, until January, 1940, all films that could be considered anti-Nazi were banned by the Hays Office.'
1151767;1433277828;lobbes;heh
1151768;1433277950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3205 @ 0.00032889 = 1.0541 BTC [+]
1151769;1433278107;trinque;mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150865 << check out the sensitized trinque. does portland suck or something ? :D << as portland has nothing, is nothing, the empty vessels here mostly define themselves as *not* the other empty vessels.
1151770;1433278107;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 03:07:55; trinque: my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless
1151771;1433278255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23824 @ 0.00033284 = 7.9296 BTC [+]
1151772;1433278298;trinque;black hole of meta-identity and retirement at 25
1151773;1433278610;pete_dushenski;;;later tell jurov you've got depositz :)
1151774;1433278610;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1151775;1433278710;*;jurov looks
1151776;1433278722;jurov;O.o
1151777;1433279399;lobbes;;;later tell WolfGoethe btw, you should get a cloak (ask on #freenode)
1151778;1433279400;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1151779;1433279549;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1151780;1433279574;ascii_field;;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151173 << i actually have one, bought from an ebay sc4mz0r most of a decade ago, somewhere in my parts box
1151781;1433279574;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 13:57:52; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/eIuHT8a.jpg
1151782;1433279574;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1151783;1433279719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00033308 = 2.0818 BTC [+]
1151784;1433280122;thestringpuller;ascii_field: you would even hate on red-army superman.
1151785;1433280131;ascii_field;wai wat
1151786;1433280170;thestringpuller;in alternate timeline superman falls to soviet russia and is raised as communist
1151787;1433280180;thestringpuller;he becomes hero of red army and champion of proliterat
1151788;1433280221;ascii_field;l0l
1151789;1433280265;trinque;thestringpuller: the horror!
1151790;1433280298;trinque;is there some time-warp scenario where american and comrade superman do battle?
1151791;1433280429;punkman;https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/auditing-github-users-keys
1151792;1433280489;punkman;someone wants to do phuctoring on github
1151793;1433280489;scoopbot_revived;The fruits of a classical education. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/02/the-fruits-of-a-classical-education/
1151794;1433280538;ascii_field;punkman: wtf. as if you can't get ssh pubkey just by connecting to random boxen
1151795;1433280548;ascii_field;-public- means... just that, public.
1151796;1433280682;thestringpuller;trinque: More like Comrade Batman vs Comrade Superman.
1151797;1433280704;thestringpuller;pretty sure ascii_field would be on team Comrade Batman. :P
1151798;1433280801;jurov;lol i actually started scraping github keys today , with this intention
1151799;1433280832;jurov;but with their ratelimiting, might take over a week
1151800;1433280840;mircea_popescu;ascii_field http://bookaspdf.com/the-sphinx-franklin-roosevelt-the-isolationists-and-the-road- to-world-war-ii.html
1151801;1433280900;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: found it earlier, neat
1151802;1433280900;punkman;seems like the guy found a bunch of people using keys generated while Debians OpenSSH could only make 32k distinct keys
1151803;1433280900;jurov;unless someone here generates and donates their oauth key
1151804;1433280900;ascii_field;the 'factorable' folks did the earlier
1151805;1433280900;ascii_field;iirc
1151806;1433280900;*;ascii_field did not discover gcd! euclid did
1151807;1433280933;mircea_popescu;Debians OpenSSH could only make 32k distinct keys << o.O
1151808;1433280936;mircea_popescu;when the fuck was this ?!
1151809;1433280942;ascii_field;'03 ?
1151810;1433280956;*;mircea_popescu was busy at the time, apparently.
1151811;1433280963;mircea_popescu;seriously ? this was a thing ?
1151812;1433280971;jurov;https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html
1151813;1433281031;ascii_field;https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/5720/
1151814;1433281091;jurov;big thing
1151815;1433281091;punkman;who doesn't remember THE debian bug
1151816;1433281091;mircea_popescu;me, apparently.
1151817;1433281091;punkman;granted, so many of these fuckups going on every year
1151818;1433281091;jurov;they even hacked debian servers and stole the source code!!!
1151819;1433281091;ascii_field;http://jblevins.org/log/ssh-vulnkey << different from the one i was thinking of
1151820;1433281151;mircea_popescu;On May 13th, 2008 Seems that the bug was introduced in September 2006.
1151821;1433281151;mircea_popescu;o.O
1151822;1433281152;mircea_popescu;Instead of mixing in random data for the initial seed, the only "random" value that was used was the current process ID. On the Linux platform, the default maximum process ID is 32,768, resulting in a very small number of seed values being used for all PRNG operations.
1151823;1433281152;mircea_popescu;process id as a random value, god help us
1151824;1433281153;mircea_popescu;"Back when the NSA was routinely weakening commercial cryptography, their favorite technique was reducing the entropy of the random number generator."
1151825;1433281153;mircea_popescu;oh i see, BACK WHEN
1151826;1433281153;ascii_field;ahahaha.
1151827;1433281153;ascii_field;'back when.'
1151828;1433281153;mircea_popescu;back when dudes took pictures of naked women...
1151829;1433281153;mircea_popescu;you know, before the internet...
1151830;1433281184;jurov;before bitcoin
1151831;1433281299;ascii_field;in other lulz, http://cryptome.org/2015/06/fbi-sky-spies.htm
1151832;1433281421;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1151833;1433281443;ascii_field;check out the flight paths, e.g., http://imagebin.ca/231QwtGcRLMz/N912EXNYC.png http://imagebin.ca/231OJfk5LfsD/Baltimoreheavy.png
1151834;1433281563;ascii_field;they go in circles all day...
1151835;1433281563;trinque;"wide-area mass surveillance and location tracking of entire cities and towns."
1151836;1433281563;ascii_field;picking up stray rf or whatnot.
1151837;1433281563;trinque;maybe munching on cell phones, wifi, so on
1151838;1433281628;punkman;why do they register these and let them show up on flightradar24?
1151839;1433281650;ascii_field;punkman: generally u.s. airplanes are required to broadcast id
1151840;1433281670;ascii_field;punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
1151841;1433281705;jurov;http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/02/1950234/microsoft-to-support-ssh-in-windows-and-contribute-to-openssh
1151842;1433281766;mircea_popescu;twist : tyhey're really nk spyplanes
1151843;1433281766;punkman;I remember some artist guy that dug-up a similar list of air transport shell companies that were used to move prisoners around
1151844;1433281766;trinque;mircea_popescu: lol
1151845;1433281766;williamdunne;jurov: Nice move, I'm still amazed .net is being OSS'd
1151846;1433281772;williamdunne;I'm just hoping and praying Android ends up running .net
1151847;1433281776;trinque;I'm skeptical that company can ever do anything right
1151848;1433281779;mircea_popescu;ascii_field easy to fathom tho. one of those rotten cases where the exemption is louder than the thing it covers.
1151849;1433281802;williamdunne;trinque: Honestly, recently I think they've been doing some great stuff.
1151850;1433281825;trinque;williamdunne: nadella does seem to be doing his damnedest to right the ship
1151851;1433281828;trinque;we'll see
1151852;1433281898;williamdunne;Aye, Visual Studio community, OSS'ing .net being my two favourites
1151853;1433281976;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151841 << embrace, extend, extinguish (TM) (R)
1151854;1433281976;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 21:48:25; jurov: http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/02/1950234/microsoft-to-support-ssh-in-windows-and-contribute-to-openssh
1151855;1433282028;trinque;^ this is exactly what I expect of their recent "great stuff"
1151856;1433282048;trinque;openssh gets tied into some windows auth mechanism, so on
1151857;1433282083;trinque;but who knows, apple looked dead once
1151858;1433282096;ascii_field;microshit attempted this with every single thing it ever touched
1151859;1433282097;trinque;still is dead for some measures
1151860;1433282098;ascii_field;no exceptions
1151861;1433282123;trinque;right, this looks just like how they approached the web. open standards? sure! sounds great
1151862;1433282130;trinque;oh... try some activex though
1151863;1433282158;trinque;williamdunne: does for example the open source .net ship any opaque binary wads?
1151864;1433282163;trinque;if so, rootkit.
1151865;1433282173;williamdunne;trinque: I don't believe so, but I haven't checked it in its entirely
1151866;1433282177;jurov;mircea_popescu you've got depositz :)
1151867;1433282239;trinque;williamdunne: or maybe the post-oracle virtualbox approach
1151868;1433282246;trinque;where it has "non-free" extensions
1151869;1433282324;williamdunne;IIRC the logic was that they want to promote their development tools, and premium products such as SQL server by making their stuff more prolific
1151870;1433282336;kakobrekla;,,,-.--------�l
1151871;1433282358;jurov;kako's cat has spoken
1151872;1433282498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83300 @ 0.00033755 = 28.1179 BTC [+] {2} 
1151873;1433282615;kakobrekla;oh yeah sorry about that.
1151874;1433282803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4334 @ 0.00034011 = 1.474 BTC [+]
1151875;1433282928;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-usa-security-surveillance-passage-idUSKBN0OI2I920150602 << oh good, they added slightly more bureaucratic procedure to the surveillance, and decided they'd outsource the data storage to the companies themselves...
1151876;1433283021;ascii_field;'But instead of routinely feeding U.S. intelligence agencies such data, the companies would be required to turn it over only in response to a government request approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.' << l0l, the same 'court' which consists of a remotely-operated rubber stamp for director of intel.
1151877;1433283075;trinque;ascii_field: progress! this will cost far less. god bless the free market.
1151878;1433283144;trinque;fascism is that thing where you cook jews in ovens, and wear stylish hugo boss uniforms, right?
1151879;1433283322;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1151880;1433283342;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9EEA1A9FB9290DC70739E70AB8E97F3FC0DB67BAE16B955D5BF0AD92FF9D8B3E << NOT in magic set
1151881;1433283402;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1151882;1433283417;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=jbollstrom%40gmail.com&op=index << tell-tale duplicate submission. but not the usual 32-bit walk thing
1151883;1433283477;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1151884;1433283477;ascii_field;and it looks like somebody's ddosing sks ?
1151885;1433283477;ascii_field;for perhaps a week now!
1151886;1433283545;ascii_field;https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/key/0x342FA15421BD34F2 << diddled key for bollstrom; https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/key/0x4372F22E6DF53A6B >> his original
1151887;1433283666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102200 @ 0.00034481 = 35.2396 BTC [+] {2} 
1151888;1433283667;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/37KPXYY.txt
1151889;1433283880;ascii_field;http://imgur.com/V4CS5PF << diff
1151890;1433283941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56850 @ 0.00034783 = 19.7741 BTC [+]
1151891;1433283942;ascii_field;sig does not verify
1151892;1433283961;punkman;looks like random finnish dude that like weed and anime, maybe a Silk Road customer https://joindiaspora.com/posts/730630
1151893;1433284022;ascii_field;but of course, as with the 32-bit 'magic set', the bottom 32 are the same, and this key would probably work in some winblows turd pgptron
1151894;1433284044;ascii_field;at this point it probably makes sense to churn the entire sks db for tuples of keys having same userid and date, and diff all said tuples.
1151895;1433284046;jurov;ascii_field: neither url works
1151896;1433284059;jurov;Page not found: /key/0x4372F22E6DF53A6B
1151897;1433284074;ascii_field;jurov: l0l!
1151898;1433284079;ascii_field;must have -just now- been zapped
1151899;1433284106;ascii_field;https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=jbollstrom%40gmail.com
1151900;1433284166;ascii_field;try direct link?
1151901;1433284166;ascii_field;diddled key is topmost
1151902;1433284166;jurov;https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=bollstrom&fingerprint=on << can be got from here
1151903;1433284226;ascii_field;see the earlier linked image for which bytes were altered
1151904;1433284262;jurov;heh it's even visible in exported format
1151905;1433284277;jurov;only 5th row changed
1151906;1433284290;ascii_field;jurov: diff is of output of pgpdump -i
1151907;1433284529;jurov;was bad endianness handling ever mentioned as possible culprit?
1151908;1433284555;jurov;but then the bytes would be shuffled, not bits reversed
1151909;1433284564;ascii_field;jurov: why would this affect the exponent (magic-98 set, rather than this latest one) and adjust the length field correctly ?
1151910;1433284581;ascii_field;endian issue was the first hypothesis i considered - and rejected
1151911;1433284655;ascii_field;jurov: those things were crafted. not a shred of doubt remains in my mind about it.
1151912;1433284657;jurov;yea
1151913;1433284686;ascii_field;crafted with an angle towards 'plausible deniability if one doesn't look too closely,' yes
1151914;1433284966;trinque;!up artifexd
1151915;1433284971;trinque;!up jordandotdev
1151916;1433284980;gabriel_laddel;artifexd: how goes gossipd?
1151917;1433284986;trinque;I was just about to ask the same :)
1151918;1433285035;gabriel_laddel;!gettrust artifexd
1151919;1433285035;assbot;Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user artifexd: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=gabriel_laddel&to=artifexd | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/artifexd/
1151920;1433285142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00033996 = 16.828 BTC [-]
1151921;1433285147;gabriel_laddel;!up assbot
1151922;1433285150;gabriel_laddel;!up ascii_field
1151923;1433285163;trinque;!up SirJacket
1151924;1433285166;trinque;!up alphonse23_
1151925;1433285203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00033308 = 1.0992 BTC [-]
1151926;1433285258;trinque;what's this, bots here to munch logs?
1151927;1433285682;shinohai;good evening all
1151928;1433285743;williamdunne;Hi
1151929;1433285845;shinohai;quiet evening here
1151930;1433285869;shinohai;well, evening for me anyway.
1151931;1433286329;alphonse23_;hello
1151932;1433286331;danielpbarron;!up E8888____
1151933;1433286338;alphonse23_;I was voiced
1151934;1433286342;alphonse23_;how is it everyone?
1151935;1433286346;danielpbarron;yes, hi. who are you?
1151936;1433286362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00034783 = 5.687 BTC [+]
1151937;1433286370;alphonse23_;this is the channel that announced that they factore a 4067 rsa key
1151938;1433286373;alphonse23_;or something like that
1151939;1433286378;alphonse23_;maybe it wasn't 4067
1151940;1433286385;danielpbarron;yeah something like that
1151941;1433286402;danielpbarron;and you are the user who ... ?
1151942;1433286405;trinque;alphonse23_: note that this does not mean RSA in the abstract is broken
1151943;1433286412;trinque;it means some implementation *may* be
1151944;1433286419;alphonse23_;4096
1151945;1433286424;trinque;that's the one, yes
1151946;1433286435;alphonse23_;factor of 2^n
1151947;1433286462;alphonse23_;trinque: I know! I'm not that big of a noob
1151948;1433286478;trinque;just tends to be the first thing that comes up
1151949;1433286495;trinque;also, welcome
1151950;1433286503;alphonse23_;HN was shaming that announcement
1151951;1433286509;alphonse23_;claiming it was trolling
1151952;1433286515;alphonse23_;was it really. explain yourselves!
1151953;1433286545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5522 @ 0.00034783 = 1.9207 BTC [+]
1151954;1433286546;danielpbarron;no, you explain yourself!
1151955;1433286551;alphonse23_;fine!
1151956;1433286572;trinque;lolwtfbbq
1151957;1433286577;shinohai;I have so much reading left to do danielpbarron
1151958;1433286601;danielpbarron;same here
1151959;1433286606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22658 @ 0.00034844 = 7.895 BTC [+]
1151960;1433286609;trinque;danielpbarron: looks like he explained himself rather thoroughly eh?
1151961;1433286625;shinohai;I'm trying to catch up on the entire mailing list before I joined. :/
1151962;1433286639;danielpbarron;don't forget the log
1151963;1433286678;shinohai;Yeah. I like the bash logs, I can even read those on android.
1151964;1433287016;shinohai;!up alphonse23_
1151965;1433287021;alphonse23_;and I'm back
1151966;1433287028;alphonse23_;why does my irc service keep crashing.
1151967;1433287040;trinque;alphonse23_: that irccloud thing seems like a turd
1151968;1433287043;trinque;if the logs are any indication
1151969;1433287055;alphonse23_;what do the logs say?
1151970;1433287058;shinohai;I hate irccloud
1151971;1433287064;alphonse23_;I pay for it
1151972;1433287073;alphonse23_;I decided I use IRC enough to pay for the service
1151973;1433287082;trinque;lolwut
1151974;1433287084;trinque;irc is free man
1151975;1433287094;alphonse23_;it is, but they do the archiving for you
1151976;1433287096;alphonse23_;which is nice
1151977;1433287097;shinohai;For real. I use a shell and weechat
1151978;1433287101;trinque;you mean... logs?
1151979;1433287107;trinque;alphonse23_: all clients do logs
1151980;1433287114;alphonse23_;yes, they keep track of the history of all the channels I'm in
1151981;1433287120;shinohai;I can grep logs right from my client
1151982;1433287121;alphonse23_;so I never miss anything
1151983;1433287133;alphonse23_;but it depends if the channel is logged
1151984;1433287136;alphonse23_;not all channels are logged
1151985;1433287142;gabriel_laddel;...
1151986;1433287143;shinohai;nope, my client keeps logs
1151987;1433287155;alphonse23_;I think I got it specificically for channels that I wanted to logged, that didn't have anyone doing it for them.
1151988;1433287163;trinque;alphonse23_: dude, all clients log
1151989;1433287185;alphonse23_;really? but do you keep your computer on at all times?
1151990;1433287193;shinohai;unless you webcht
1151991;1433287200;trinque;ah ok, I see what you mean by log now
1151992;1433287213;trinque;alphonse23_: this is generally a "bouncer" you run elsewhere from your local computer
1151993;1433287216;trinque;and which you connect to with your client
1151994;1433287232;trinque;they've webified that, but people have done it since ancient times
1151995;1433287243;ben_vulpes;webify all the things!
1151996;1433287279;trinque;ben_vulpes: make app icon! raise 15m! year later, raze your business!
1151997;1433287282;jurov;http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.
1151998;1433287342;jurov;i got some results from /explore but i have no idea about them yet
1151999;1433287385;BingoBoingo;<danielpbarron> no, you explain yourself! << For the record in tis situation you coulda just linked http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
1152000;1433287445;BingoBoingo;alphonse23_: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
1152001;1433287505;danielpbarron;oh is his key phucked?
1152002;1433287505;alphonse23_;is a bouncer a server
1152003;1433287505;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Not that I know of, but dude wanted to know if it was trolling, so the solution is point them to the fount of data
1152004;1433287505;trinque;alphonse23_: yessir
1152005;1433287505;alphonse23_;do I have to purchase the server?
1152006;1433287505;trinque;alphonse23_: yup, or run a second box at home
1152007;1433287505;trinque;decent intro to fiddling with such things if you never have
1152008;1433287507;alphonse23_;well. maybe I could do that.
1152009;1433287517;alphonse23_;I wonder though. I pay irccloud 5 dollars a month
1152010;1433287524;BingoBoingo;alphonse23_: Well, if you want to be a dick you could use botnet slaves as IRC bouncer, but easier to leave an old machine on at home to bounce IRC. Black and white Macs are ideal
1152011;1433287527;danielpbarron;i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok
1152012;1433287534;alphonse23_;owning a server, even if it's through digital ocean, would still be slightly more expensive.
1152013;1433287553;trinque;I think linode starts out at 10 bucks a month
1152014;1433287562;alphonse23_;see, more than irccloud
1152015;1433287565;trinque;tons of virtual hosting things out there
1152016;1433287571;trinque;the main benefit would be learning
1152017;1433287594;shinohai;try hashbang, it's free
1152018;1433287594;alphonse23_;k, I have othing things I'd like to learn that to setup something to log an irc channel
1152019;1433287617;BingoBoingo;WHo only logs one IRC channel?
1152020;1433287622;alphonse23_;for instance, I'd like to actually understands rsa factoring
1152021;1433287640;alphonse23_;does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?
1152022;1433287653;BingoBoingo;alphonse23_: Once again http://nosuchlabs.com/stats uses euclid's greatest common divisor
1152023;1433287714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4681 @ 0.00033561 = 1.571 BTC [-]
1152024;1433287714;trinque;!up NewLiberty
1152025;1433287714;trinque;is teh arsebot sleepin?
1152026;1433287714;alphonse23_;I bet even if I knew what that algorithm is, Id' still have doubts
1152027;1433287718;NewLiberty;$10/month is about equiv to the electricity cost of a 120v machine running 24/7 for a year
1152028;1433287725;BingoBoingo;trinque: Kako's cat prolly typed assbot too. Either that or there is another dispute over the pod bay doors.
1152029;1433287747;BingoBoingo;NewLiberty: All depends on the machine and amps.
1152030;1433287748;NewLiberty;good rule of thumb being $1/v/annum
1152031;1433287762;trinque;BingoBoingo: dispute over the pod bay doors << bwhahahaha
1152032;1433287763;NewLiberty;sure sure, some variation.
1152033;1433287816;NewLiberty;I'm on solar so, up to what I produce, no added cost
1152034;1433288019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00033561 = 18.1901 BTC [-]
1152035;1433288263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00033561 = 1.1243 BTC [-]
1152036;1433288561;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp
1152037;1433288562;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.2, Best ask: 225.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 225.31, 24 hour volume: 7750.11381028, 24 hour low: 221.34, 24 hour high: 226.38, 24 hour vwap: 223.644666851
1152038;1433288812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8869 @ 0.00033561 = 2.9765 BTC [-]
1152039;1433288873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67179 @ 0.00034844 = 23.4079 BTC [+]
1152040;1433289727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.20760911 = 1.6609 BTC [+]
1152041;1433289965;asciilifeform;!up alphonse23_
1152042;1433289987;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: you still there?
1152043;1433289995;williamdunne;Pure hilarity on this show
1152044;1433289996;alphonse23_;yup
1152045;1433289998;alphonse23_;what's up
1152046;1433290014;williamdunne;Two identical twin brothers at a festival, guy tries to cheat on his girlfriend with some bird
1152047;1433290017;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: author of 'phuctor' speaking. you had questions ?
1152048;1433290020;williamdunne;Brother calls him out
1152049;1433290025;williamdunne;They argue with each other
1152050;1433290030;williamdunne;The other brother fucks his bird
1152051;1433290043;alphonse23_;what does 4096 refer to
1152052;1433290048;alphonse23_;the maximum size of the primes
1152053;1433290067;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: no. the size of the modulus, typically a product of two primes
1152054;1433290068;alphonse23_;or the maximum size of what the two primes are multiplied to each other?
1152055;1433290069;williamdunne;Bits of entropy
1152056;1433290092;alphonse23_;so 4096 is the maximum size of the product of the two primes?
1152057;1433290099;asciilifeform;aha.
1152058;1433290112;williamdunne;Only on Debian
1152059;1433290120;alphonse23_;doesn't that only leave a handful of primes though
1152060;1433290124;alphonse23_;you could just check them all.
1152061;1433290125;alphonse23_;right?
1152062;1433290133;williamdunne;Yes
1152063;1433290160;asciilifeform;is the question specifically concerning the buggy debian rng ?
1152064;1433290163;asciilifeform;or rsa in general
1152065;1433290176;williamdunne;RSA in general
1152066;1433290182;williamdunne;Debian was a joke on my part
1152067;1433290195;asciilifeform;williamdunne: i think we have a genuine noob here, and you are addling him
1152068;1433290198;asciilifeform;williamdunne: please stop.
1152069;1433290255;alphonse23_;i'm not that big of a noob
1152070;1433290257;williamdunne;alphonse23_: This might help you understand what the 4096 means
1152071;1433290258;williamdunne;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength
1152072;1433290318;alphonse23_;just not an expert
1152073;1433290318;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: 'checking them all', given current of foreseeable technology, would take several thousand years.
1152074;1433290318;alphonse23_;and what point are you not a noob
1152075;1433290318;alphonse23_;maybe you can ask that about everything
1152076;1433290318;alphonse23_;and maybe I shouldn't care
1152077;1433290318;trinque;alphonse23_: noob's not an insult
1152078;1433290318;trinque;"beginner's mind"
1152079;1433290318;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: rsa is not especially complicated. you can understand the basic idea after an hour's study
1152080;1433290338;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RSAEncryption.html for example.
1152081;1433290398;alphonse23_;yea, I've read a fair share of online guides about it
1152082;1433290398;alphonse23_;I kind of understand
1152083;1433290400;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/thematic_tutorials/numtheory_rsa.html << worked examples
1152084;1433290469;alphonse23_;still don't get elliptical curve cryptography at all.
1152085;1433290490;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: 'phuctor' deals only with traditional rsa keys.
1152086;1433290496;alphonse23_;twitter works on 2056 I think
1152087;1433290511;alphonse23_;why no go decrypt some twitter traffic or something
1152088;1433290517;alphonse23_;what's the purpose of all this?
1152089;1433290552;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: basic idea, which is very old, is that euclid's greatest-common-divisor algorithm is very fast, for arbitrarily large numbers. so if two or more rsa keys were to share a factor, it will pop up.
1152090;1433290567;williamdunne;Can only break bad keys
1152091;1433290603;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: the idea is to find evidence of sabotaged implementations of rsa key generator.
1152092;1433290637;alphonse23_;find the NSA at work?
1152093;1433290644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33926 @ 0.00033308 = 11.3001 BTC [-]
1152094;1433290658;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: instead we found that someone is uploading carefully modified versions of other people's keys to sks key server net
1152095;1433290751;alphonse23_;interesting
1152096;1433290758;alphonse23_;I've never heard of the sks key server
1152097;1433290772;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: it isn't one specific server, but a network of mirrors
1152098;1433290776;asciilifeform;entirely automatic
1152099;1433290814;asciilifeform;typically users of pgp/gpg upload their public keys there, and they can later be retrieved by anyone using a hash of the key
1152100;1433290826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00033258 = 2.7937 BTC [-]
1152101;1433290853;alphonse23_;oh, so if you want to store your pgp some where, so anyone can verify it's you, you upload it to sks
1152102;1433290899;alphonse23_;i've been using a service called keybase.io lately. Is that a noob service?
1152103;1433290908;ben_vulpes;!s keybase
1152104;1433290909;assbot;64 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase
1152105;1433290915;shinohai;keybase blows
1152106;1433290926;williamdunne;Personally I like it, just don't store your keys there
1152107;1433290927;alphonse23_;I have some invite codes
1152108;1433290928;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: if you let them generate keys for you, they have your private key. this ought to be elementarily obvious
1152109;1433290930;alphonse23_;if anyone wants them :)
1152110;1433290944;alphonse23_;that's a good point asciilifeform
1152111;1433290949;shinohai;Thats just it, I wouldn't be storing my keys there.
1152112;1433290955;alphonse23_;that generate the primes right in front of you! :)
1152113;1433290965;alphonse23_;*they generate the primes
1152114;1433290971;williamdunne;shinohai: Exactly, you don't have to, to use the service :)
1152115;1433290992;alphonse23_;I guess it's made very user friendly though
1152116;1433291003;shinohai;It's nice and all, but I just don't see the advantage over plain gpg
1152117;1433291004;alphonse23_;it comes with a CLI app that lets you verify anyone on their servers
1152118;1433291021;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: it is 'user friendly' in the same way that a mousetrap is mouse-friendly
1152119;1433291026;trinque;alphonse23_: ever heard "if it's free, you're the product" ?
1152120;1433291032;alphonse23_;maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server
1152121;1433291059;alphonse23_;it would probably be like facebook, if it ever got popular. Which ever server became the most widespread.
1152122;1433291061;shinohai;Don't. Use a keyring or a yubi.
1152123;1433291094;BingoBoingo;<alphonse23_> maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server << Ideally if you want people to find your public key you spray it all over, but especially spray it in venues associated with your identity.
1152124;1433291119;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: there is a large and well-established network of public key servers. e.g., https://pgp.mit.edu and other sks
1152125;1433291179;alphonse23_;I have many online identities. I think keybase.io purpose is to verify and unify those identities
1152126;1433291179;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: they all mirror one another.
1152127;1433291179;alphonse23_;so people know it's you
1152128;1433291179;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: for people whom you will never meet, 'you' are the key. and nothing else.
1152129;1433291179;alphonse23_;had no idea. I only used keybase.io because someone I know was using it, and I thought it was a great idea.
1152130;1433291180;trinque;alphonse23_: if someone other than you knows your private key, it is by definition not private
1152131;1433291198;alphonse23_;I don't give out my private key
1152132;1433291210;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: except to keybase?
1152133;1433291218;danielpbarron;alphonse23_, the sites that keybase lets you link to your identity aren't really worth linking to your identity
1152134;1433291220;alphonse23_;well. they don't have my private key
1152135;1433291226;shinohai;^ danielpbarron
1152136;1433291230;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: if you let them generate it, they have it
1152137;1433291233;trinque;keybase sticks it in browser local storage, right?
1152138;1433291239;alphonse23_;but they did show the primes generated for it when I signed up for the service
1152139;1433291247;trinque;alphonse23_: all they have to do is ship you some javascript once that reads that and transmits it elsewhere
1152140;1433291249;alphonse23_;so you could say it's a compromised service
1152141;1433291259;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: the very idea is braindamaged
1152142;1433291279;alphonse23_;ok fine. But should I not trust keybase...
1152143;1433291286;alphonse23_;I'm not sure. I was just trying out the service
1152144;1433291287;williamdunne;alphonse23_: Its compromised if you a) generate your keys with them, or b) store your keys with them.
1152145;1433291299;alphonse23_;but yes, I should probably micromanage my own keys and passwords
1152146;1433291341;williamdunne;Its not even micromanaging, its just owning
1152147;1433291421;trinque;one should use the same precautions with their bitcoin private keys.
1152148;1433291438;trinque;you only own the coin if you *own* the private keys in the strictest sense
1152149;1433291453;danielpbarron;the recommendation in here is to not even use newer versions of gpg, let alone some add-on made by a dating website guy
1152150;1433291504;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: if someone else has a copy of your private key, whether because you let them generate it for you, or gave it up for storage for 'convenience', he can do anything which you can do. this ought to be obvious
1152151;1433291881;danielpbarron;!up alphonse23_
1152152;1433291892;alphonse23_;well. like I know that.
1152153;1433291911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00033261 = 6.885 BTC [+]
1152154;1433291916;BingoBoingo;alphonse23_: Well you do now. The question is what are you going to do about it?
1152155;1433291946;alphonse23_;I'm going to become paranoid, and start keeping track of my own keys
1152156;1433291962;alphonse23_;and stop being naive and trying out services from guys who start dating websites
1152157;1433292001;trinque;!b 3
1152158;1433292001;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1STHGCG.txt )
1152159;1433292006;trinque;bravo!
1152160;1433292032;alphonse23_;I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something
1152161;1433292037;alphonse23_;but I haven't been able to find one.
1152162;1433292039;alphonse23_;any recommendations
1152163;1433292047;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: what is a 'key locker' ?
1152164;1433292053;alphonse23_;like, not necessarily a key locker, but somewhere to store passwords
1152165;1433292068;asciilifeform;alphonse23_: you already own a device for storing passwords. it is attached to your shoulders.
1152166;1433292117;alphonse23_;my brain
1152167;1433292122;alphonse23_;but I use a lot of services online
1152168;1433292127;ben_vulpes;passwords.gpg
1152169;1433292131;alphonse23_;and I don't really keep track of all my passwords
1152170;1433292135;alphonse23_;but I should
1152171;1433292146;alphonse23_;but I've been using the internet for years now.
1152172;1433292148;ben_vulpes;derpy_web_passwords.gpg
1152173;1433292158;ben_vulpes;super_important_passwords.gpg
1152174;1433292342;alphonse23_;k
1152175;1433292349;alphonse23_;I'll do that
1152176;1433292355;alphonse23_;thanks bitcon-assets
1152177;1433292544;punkman;this uses gpg http://www.passwordstore.org/
1152178;1433292912;BingoBoingo;I've found KeyPassX adequate for storing tons of derpy web passwords. Also available on pretty much any OD
1152179;1433292916;BingoBoingo;*OS
1152180;1433293078;ben_vulpes;punkman: hey that's neat
1152181;1433293157;punkman;I usually recommend Keepass to people that have been using a single password for the past 15 years
1152182;1433293275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46650 @ 0.00033268 = 15.5195 BTC [+] {2} 
1152183;1433293389;BingoBoingo;I've been using it a while every version I used is the same local machine only deal that encrypts the derpy web passwords together in a single database file. Working on all the *nixen is a plus
1152184;1433293454;shinohai;http://marcwebbie.io/passpie/
1152185;1433293514;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 was working on getting one together but im sure he can use help << yeah, certainly on testing. i bought a pos box to use to build a physical gentoo box guide. i messed up something now grub is unhappy. I havne't been able to take a decent look at it since sunday morning.
1152186;1433293514;mod6;Anyway, help/testing is always welcome.
1152187;1433293521;shinohai;testing on what mod6 ?
1152188;1433293941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53674 @ 0.00033258 = 17.8509 BTC [-]
1152189;1433294255;danielpbarron;i ran into issues with grub as well; ended up using the older version
1152190;1433294372;mod6;shinohai: oh, im creating a guide on how to build gentoo on a physical box. it seems that the handbook covers it mostly.  except for me I had problems with some things.
1152191;1433294376;mod6;gentoo is a nightmare.
1152192;1433294400;danielpbarron;once it's working it's quite nice
1152193;1433294418;mod6;but it has this uclibc hardened stage3 that i'd like to try out as a platform from which we can utilize building and testing the R. I.
1152194;1433294486;mod6;danielpbarron: i'll never enjoy it, i come from bsd. :]
1152195;1433294642;*;BingoBoingo likes the even BSD even moar the more he lives with it
1152196;1433294873;mod6;anyway, yeah, im sure i just did something dumb on my end with gentoo.  i got it working fine on AWS.
1152197;1433294895;mod6;im beginning to be skeptical that anyone can just get this working very easily though.
1152198;1433294908;shinohai;I haven't delved into gentoo :/
1152199;1433294922;mod6;so hopefully the guide I create will make it a bit easier.  hopefully.
1152200;1433294975;shinohai;btw, bitcoind built swimmingly on Ubuntu 14.04
1152201;1433294991;shinohai;Even though I don't like/use Ubuntu - it works.
1152202;1433295034;mod6;good to hear. thx :]
1152203;1433295052;mod6;x86-64 im guessing?
1152204;1433295166;shinohai;yes
1152205;1433295193;shinohai;I just got bored and wanted to see if it would work on a spare shell I had.
1152206;1433295203;mod6;cool, thanks!
1152207;1433295222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00033258 = 8.6803 BTC [-]
1152208;1433295254;shinohai;Everyone wants to know when you guys are gonna release the Windoze version /s
1152209;1433295292;mod6;Update: v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is at block: 335628
1152210;1433295304;mod6;shinohai: haha.
1152211;1433295323;shinohai;I haven't applied that patch yet :/
1152212;1433295435;mod6;oh the 2 orphange ones?
1152213;1433295514;mod6;i wouldn't worry about it. these are experimental as of now. at a later time, they maybe included in a milestone release.
1152214;1433295541;mod6;unless you wanna test those seperately from your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE version
1152215;1433295544;shinohai;Awesum. I hold off because I'm lazy and waiting for the first one to sync
1152216;1433295572;mod6;yeah, sounds good.
1152217;1433295591;shinohai;I need to set up an image to test on. I was gonna try an Arch image.
1152218;1433295638;mod6;cool, if you do, let us know how it works out
1152219;1433295699;shinohai;I have this crazy idea of getting it to run on those little arch images that work on Android
1152220;1433295702;shinohai;xD
1152221;1433295710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00033258 = 4.7393 BTC [-]
1152222;1433296198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6970 @ 0.00033258 = 2.3181 BTC [-]
1152223;1433297235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7406 @ 0.00033258 = 2.4631 BTC [-]
1152224;1433297357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90786 @ 0.00033069 = 30.022 BTC [-]
1152225;1433297601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00033312 = 3.3129 BTC [+]
1152226;1433298278;decimation;outragous usg law > http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2014/09/25/11th-circuit-court-of-appeals-panel-kowtows-to-tsa/
1152227;1433298347;decimation;https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46110 < " Findings of fact by the Secretary, Under Secretary, or Administrator, if supported by substantial evidence, are conclusive. "
1152228;1433298528;mircea_popescu;decimation soviet justice moved more and more towards administrative adjudication too
1152229;1433298533;mircea_popescu;soon enough thewy had police courts.
1152230;1433298546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1152231;1433298590;decimation;heh what is a 'police court'
1152232;1433298600;decimation;a collection of police who decide to throw you in the gulag?
1152233;1433298639;decimation;more and more it seems like the judicial branch simply acts as a rubber stamp for the executive
1152234;1433298655;decimation;and where it might have a modicum of oversight, congress stamps it down
1152235;1433298719;mircea_popescu;a police court is the choice way to deal with drunks and domestic disputes.
1152236;1433298763;mircea_popescu;as the citizenry loses intellectual capacity and political standing, all its complaints look more and more like the results of drunken revelry and sexual stubbornness
1152237;1433298785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, 29 is a new prime innit.
1152238;1433298816;decimation;'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time
1152239;1433298842;decimation;somehow they are in a hurry to get back to them, rather than thinking about the wider ramifications of the government's assertations
1152240;1433298887;decimation;at any rate, that papersplease.org is a pretty good blog, has much to say on the police state in the us, especially with with respect to flying
1152241;1433298953;BingoBoingo;<decimation> 'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time << Fuck you my case has only been a plaque in neighboring county's arteries for two years nao
1152242;1433299013;mircea_popescu;lol
1152243;1433299040;decimation;BingoBoingo: ask any cop what the majority of his calls are, and generally the answer is 'domestics'
1152244;1433299062;decimation;and generally the domestics involve drunks
1152245;1433299082;BingoBoingo;decimation: this particular local most 911 calls are loud cars after 10pm
1152246;1433299088;decimation;heh
1152247;1433299116;decimation;loud cars suck.  for some reason americans are in love with enragingly loud cars/motorbikes
1152248;1433299130;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I really am torn on whether ot not to approve spam comment for "mosin nagant 10 round magazine"
1152249;1433299200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33956 @ 0.00033312 = 11.3114 BTC [+]
1152250;1433299205;BingoBoingo;But I mean if the US Supreme court takes the Elonis case's legacy further... they will have to answer is drunk a Mens Rea
1152251;1433299243;decimation;americans can be herded like cattle through airports, tracked, tagged, and spied upon, but they really get pissed if you try to clamp down on loud/poorly operating cars/bikes
1152252;1433299251;decimation;'you can't take away our freedom'
1152253;1433299261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00033312 = 4.0974 BTC [+]
1152254;1433299277;mod6;http://qntra.net/2015/06/foundation-report-bring-bitcoin-client-performance-improvement-and-testing/#comment-25527 << speaking of comments, this was nice.
1152255;1433299337;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: l0l, mosin took stripperclips not mags
1152256;1433299353;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yeah. Imma guessing that the product is replacement for the fixed factory mag which would hold 10 rounds instead of 5, but link leads nowhere comprehensible in browser.
1152257;1433299356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see log for diff, incl. screenshot of visualdiff
1152258;1433299403;BingoBoingo;mod6: As best as I can tell twas not a #b-a regular who said that so major props
1152259;1433299413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151853 << there wasn't that much there to extinguish in the first place.
1152260;1433299413;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 21:52:56; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151841 << embrace, extend, extinguish (TM) (R)
1152261;1433299430;mircea_popescu;openssh is probably the most important contribution to software insecurity in history of computing.
1152262;1433299441;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd be openssl
1152263;1433299445;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Confusing it with OpenSSL again
1152264;1433299449;mircea_popescu;darn
1152265;1433299458;mircea_popescu;wait
1152266;1433299463;BingoBoingo;OpenSSH is the OpenBSD ssh implementation
1152267;1433299465;mircea_popescu;windows is putting SSH in ?!
1152268;1433299469;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1152269;1433299473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was the item, yes
1152270;1433299495;decimation;asciilifeform: have you used coverity?
1152271;1433299505;asciilifeform;must inject microshit into the one protocol which had no microshittery, yes
1152272;1433299508;mircea_popescu;i had thought they had just given up on their own version of telnet-ssl.
1152273;1433299517;asciilifeform;decimation: nope
1152274;1433299520;mircea_popescu;since "open source"-usg is doing so well at it.
1152275;1433299559;decimation;apparently coverity allows you to submit your code/binary to their tool, will spit out potential bugs
1152276;1433299574;decimation;it might be mildly interesting to do so for the bitcoin reference implementation
1152277;1433299582;decimation;I would fully expect reams of shit though
1152278;1433299586;BingoBoingo;Honestly I worry moar for pete and the other Candidians than I do for the USians.
1152279;1433299591;asciilifeform;decimation: 1) take 'lint' 2) close source, put on www as-service 3) ??? 4) profit!!11!!1
1152280;1433299592;mircea_popescu;decimation how does it work ?
1152281;1433299605;decimation;heh I don't think it's that simple
1152282;1433299609;mircea_popescu;basically what alf said + benefit of doubt.
1152283;1433299622;BingoBoingo;Must collect arms in case defense of Theo becomes necessary
1152284;1433299625;decimation;https://scan.coverity.com/ < here's the ad page
1152285;1433299685;decimation;I have no doubt it would produce much noise, but it is a possible starting point
1152286;1433299685;decimation;interestingly 'bitcoin' has already been submitted
1152287;1433299685;asciilifeform;where is the output ?
1152288;1433299690;decimation;https://scan.coverity.com/projects/1683
1152289;1433299750;decimation;I think you need to get an account, I will try to see if it is that easy
1152290;1433299770;decimation;I'm not sure if they also submitted the deps, but bitcoin weighs in at 16 million lines of code
1152291;1433299785;asciilifeform;l0l wat
1152292;1433299798;decimation;yes, that's what the scanner says
1152293;1433299801;mod6;haha
1152294;1433299813;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151875 << dawg, did i call it or did i call it lmao
1152295;1433299813;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 22:08:48; trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-usa-security-surveillance-passage-idUSKBN0OI2I920150602 << oh good, they added slightly more bureaucratic procedure to the surveillance, and decided they'd outsource the data storage to the companies themselves...
1152296;1433299853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that it was -already- handled this way. only thing that will change (once anyone gets around to it) is a few lines in a spreadshit
1152297;1433299859;asciilifeform;for accounting
1152298;1433299874;mircea_popescu;meyah
1152299;1433299893;asciilifeform;http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1128
1152300;1433299953;asciilifeform;'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.'
1152301;1433299953;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151894 << yes, actually.
1152302;1433299953;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 22:27:24; ascii_field: at this point it probably makes sense to churn the entire sks db for tuples of keys having same userid and date, and diff all said tuples.
1152303;1433299953;decimation;heh yeah
1152304;1433299953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform generally, it is a safe assumption that any diddlomatics coming out of nsa are highly engineered to bypass automatic detection
1152305;1433299953;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> 'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.' << Can't spot heartbleed because custom OpenSSL malloc
1152306;1433299995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the basic concept that must be understood is that c/cpp are entirely impossible to 'reason' about mechanically
1152307;1433299997;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151908 << it was mentioned, came to this same problem
1152308;1433299997;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 22:35:55; jurov: but then the bytes would be shuffled, not bits reversed
1152309;1433300002;asciilifeform;due to the way pointer arithmetic works
1152310;1433300041;BingoBoingo;custom OpenSSL malloc and its impenatrability is why OpenBSD forked LibreSSL
1152311;1433300047;asciilifeform;languages where a program is intended to be 'rationated' by means of machine, tend to be agonizingly restrictive
1152312;1433300052;asciilifeform;!s ada ravenscar
1152313;1433300053;assbot;0 results for 'ada ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+ravenscar
1152314;1433300058;asciilifeform;!s ravenscar
1152315;1433300058;assbot;0 results for 'ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ravenscar
1152316;1433300060;asciilifeform;hm
1152317;1433300081;asciilifeform;http://docs.adacore.com/sparkdocs-docs/Examiner_Ravenscar.htm
1152318;1433300141;decimation;I thought it was SPARK
1152319;1433300141;decimation;http://spinroot.com/p10/ < 10 rules for safety critical code
1152320;1433300202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11928 @ 0.00033312 = 3.9735 BTC [+] {2} 
1152321;1433300202;decimation;bitcoin violates nearly all of them
1152322;1433300202;asciilifeform;decimation: 'ravenscar' is a yet-more-bsdm-ish spark
1152323;1433300202;decimation;heh awesome
1152324;1433300202;mircea_popescu;alphonse23_  you read http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ an http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ i expect ?
1152325;1433300322;mircea_popescu;Limit functions to no more than 60 lines of text. << 60 because why. my screen fits 24.
1152326;1433300322;asciilifeform;l0l now we learn that mircea_popescu programs in turboc
1152327;1433300322;decimation;heh yeah that's kinda arbitrary
1152328;1433300322;decimation;but still, not a bad idea to break code into 'paragraphs'
1152329;1433300322;decimation;asciilifeform: I would be willing to make the trade to some kind of fascist ada if I could be assured that the tools would detect nearly all detectablle bugs
1152330;1433300322;decimation;!up kalki
1152331;1433300358;asciilifeform;decimation: one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular is that, once people are rid of 'bugs from the fingers', they are left face to face with 'bugs in the head'
1152332;1433300390;kalki;thx decimation
1152333;1433300394;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151997 << not managed to mine anything yet ?
1152334;1433300394;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 23:21:22; jurov: http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.
1152335;1433300488;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152011 << the converse is a safe assumption. shitgnomes are more than happy to tell you the "meta" story of what happened, which is characteristically light on any sort of useful or usable anything.
1152336;1433300488;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 23:25:27; danielpbarron: i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok
1152337;1433300510;decimation;asciilifeform: aye, precisely.  but those 'bugs in head' are the primary concern of a programmer, presumably
1152338;1433300525;asciilifeform;actually it is worth pointing out that most of the newsturds specifically -did not- link to phuctor
1152339;1433300527;mircea_popescu;as if reality were contusive or something. which, i suppose it actually is for their ilk
1152340;1433300530;asciilifeform;or to mircea_popescu's www
1152341;1433300560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform reason actually related to the " one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular"
1152342;1433300626;decimation;http://codemonkey.org.uk/2014/08/05/linux-316-coverity-stats/ < dave jones (of linux kernel fame) is trying to use coverity to fix kernel bugs
1152343;1433300686;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152021 << 4096 bits (~ 400 digits long) is the size of the key.
1152344;1433300686;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 23:27:20; alphonse23_: does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?
1152345;1433300686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: note that typical derprogrammer likes to sit down on a soft cushion of 'it doesn't work because i surely made a small mistake', rather than the hard concrete of 'it is broken because i am illiterate' --- or the sharp pine stake of 'because i am a moron'
1152346;1433300686;decimation;asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets
1152347;1433300687;BingoBoingo;<decimation> asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets << How do you score qntra on this scale?
1152348;1433300711;decimation;qntra seems to have original content generally
1152349;1433300717;decimation;although at times can be a bit rambling
1152350;1433300725;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform today i had to look into mod security. which somehow didn't run, tho it was included in apache. which needed to be recompiled. which failed. do you happen to have any idea what apache's like incidentally ?
1152351;1433300733;mircea_popescu;apache is a lot like bitcoin, actually.
1152352;1433300739;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is an ancient horror, yes
1152353;1433300759;decimation;why is it so complicated to shit stuff on port 80
1152354;1433300776;mircea_popescu;apache may be the worst codebase ever written
1152355;1433300795;mircea_popescu;which reminds me of a bit of idiocy, brb
1152356;1433300800;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nah, the old netscape crud (from which we get 'mozilla' et al) is probably worse
1152357;1433300810;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY what it reminded me of. one sec.
1152358;1433300825;mircea_popescu;http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html <
1152359;1433300885;asciilifeform;http://www.amazon.com/Borland-Turbo-C/dp/B000I5KFIE << l0l
1152360;1433300945;mircea_popescu;"Before Borland's new spreadsheet for Windows shipped, Philippe Kahn, the colorful founder of Borland, was quoted a lot in the press bragging about how Quattro Pro would be much better than Microsoft Excel, because it was written from scratch. All new source code! As if source code rusted."
1152361;1433300945;mircea_popescu;"The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they've been fixed. There's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive. Au contraire, baby! Is software supposed to be like an old Dodge Dart, that rusts just sitting in the garage? Is software like a teddy bear that's kind of gross if
1152362;1433300945;mircea_popescu; it's not made out of all new material?"
1152363;1433300945;mircea_popescu;the idea that new code is better than old IS NOT patently absurd when the old code was writen by unaware idiots.
1152364;1433300945;mircea_popescu;like netscape was. like apache was. "but mp... it works!"
1152365;1433300945;mircea_popescu;fuck your mother with a clay pot.
1152366;1433300945;mircea_popescu;"Back to that two page function. Yes, I know, it's just a simple function to display a window, but it has grown little hairs and stuff on it and nobody knows why. Well, I'll tell you why: those are bug fixes. One of them fixes that bug that Nancy had when she tried to install the thing on a computer that didn't have Internet Explorer. Another one fixes that bug that occurs in low memory conditions. Another one fixes th
1152367;1433300945;mircea_popescu;at bug that occurred when the file is on a floppy disk and the user yanks out the disk in the middle. That LoadLibrary call is ugly but it makes the code work on old versions of Windows 95."
1152368;1433300945;mircea_popescu;imagine the world these spreadsheet pushers live in.
1152369;1433300945;asciilifeform;they live in microshitland
1152370;1433300956;asciilifeform;where even this is not enough, and they leave nop sleds (yes) in the binaries, for hot-patching (and virii)
1152371;1433300985;decimation;you see the programmers are too busy 'delivering' to think about issues like 'why is the whole thing a peice of shit'
1152372;1433301007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00033001 = 6.2702 BTC [-]
1152373;1433301012;asciilifeform;to be fair, most often these folks are of the 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (TM) (R) variety.
1152374;1433301025;mircea_popescu;thing is... i might be the only suit that can tell the difference between bad and good code, on account of being the only suit that is also literate. as in, literature-literate.
1152375;1433301031;decimation;and also, they generally profit at the end of the day
1152376;1433301033;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it is readily observable and quite visible.
1152377;1433301039;decimation;it 'works', they 'made money', who is to question?
1152378;1433301043;mircea_popescu;me.
1152379;1433301044;asciilifeform;folks who start to 'question why' begin to have trouble with the 'do and die'
1152380;1433301052;asciilifeform;and either starve or eventually find a way to leave the profession.
1152381;1433301110;*;BingoBoingo should prolly get new suits next year
1152382;1433301115;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1152383;1433301129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29893 @ 0.00032747 = 9.7891 BTC [-]
1152384;1433301145;decimation;http://codemonkey.org.uk/2015/03/13/lsfmm-2015-recap/ < lol . Josef did touch on one area that btrfs does still suck, which apparently is database workloads (iirc, due to the copy-on-write nature of btrfs). The spurious ENOSPC failures of the past should hopefully stay in the past. Things generally on the up and up.
1152385;1433301205;decimation;(Though, this does include the linecount, which has now passed 100KLOC, more than double that of XFS or ext*. Scary).
1152386;1433301205;gabriel_laddel;ty BingoBoingo
1152387;1433301205;BingoBoingo;btrfs is pretty much doomed to suck. Reiser of FFS ftw
1152388;1433301219;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel how's the os business.
1152389;1433301220;decimation;yeah, people need to read the 'end-to-end principle'
1152390;1433301240;decimation;shoving shit into the lower layers of the conceptual stack just ends up causing pain and suffering
1152391;1433301241;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: still don't have funding, but coming along
1152392;1433301281;gabriel_laddel;re:not rewriting code, the story of CMUCL and its transformation into SBCL is quite pertinent
1152393;1433301551;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152160 gpg --encrypt --armor -r <yourname> hit enter then put whatever passwords in there, hit ctrl-d and save the output.
1152394;1433301551;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 00:40:32; alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something
1152395;1433301571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42845 @ 0.00033314 = 14.2734 BTC [+]
1152396;1433301632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29499 @ 0.00033722 = 9.9477 BTC [+]
1152397;1433301644;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152192 << there still doesn't exist an eulora gentoo guide, for instance.
1152398;1433301644;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 01:20:00; danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice
1152399;1433301656;mircea_popescu;that "once" may well be bridge too far for many practical applications.
1152400;1433301688;gabriel_laddel;mod6: I have a *working* funtoo install guide, which is for all intents and purposes the same as gentoo
1152401;1433301703;gabriel_laddel;it has been tested twice, is solid
1152402;1433301704;mircea_popescu;where ?
1152403;1433301706;mod6;feel free to send it my way.
1152404;1433301733;gabriel_laddel;!s system.html
1152405;1433301734;assbot;10 results for 'system.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=system.html
1152406;1433301737;mod6;i'll try it out. i hosed up my grub; haven't had a chance to tinker/rebuild yet.
1152407;1433301757;gabriel_laddel;Section #2, Installing
1152408;1433301802;mircea_popescu;" This is a time consuming PITA. "
1152409;1433301806;mircea_popescu;i feel encouraged.
1152410;1433301814;gabriel_laddel;it'll eat an entire day
1152411;1433301827;gabriel_laddel;hence, I reccomend waiting on the automated install
1152412;1433301843;mircea_popescu;http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/Funtoo_Linux_Installation.htm aha.
1152413;1433301903;gabriel_laddel;but if mod6 is in need of something that works, well - there it is
1152414;1433301903;mircea_popescu;"If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "
1152415;1433301903;mircea_popescu;motherfucker.
1152416;1433301903;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: yeah, portage needs to die - 70k loc, python.
1152417;1433301914;mircea_popescu;it's just... why the fuck would the color of your blouse decide whether it rains that day
1152418;1433301924;mod6;thanks, just took a look.  im not even sure my problems are gentoo related exactly.  i think i have a good /etc/fstab.  and i /think/ my partition table was setup correctly with fdisk.  this pos box had win7 on it, im guessing it's MBR and not EFI.
1152419;1433301938;decimation;possibly because it tries to download timestamped files?
1152420;1433301949;decimation;on the other hand, how hard would it be to use ntpdate first
1152421;1433301970;gabriel_laddel;why would it need to download timestamped files?
1152422;1433301978;mod6;but when i boot up, i get "grub2> " prompt and then shit like this: "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos4) (fd0)"
1152423;1433301993;mod6;well, after an `ls` at the grub prompt anyway.
1152424;1433302037;mod6;i basically created a livecd, did everything as instructed through the gentoo handbook.
1152425;1433302048;decimation;I donno, I didn't program it.  I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again
1152426;1433302051;gabriel_laddel;mod6: I'd compare your fdisk -l /dev/sda with the contents of /etc/fstab
1152427;1433302087;mod6;gabriel_laddel: werd. it /seems/ right. but like I said, maybe another look will tell the tale.  i'll be checking it out more tomorrow.
1152428;1433302097;decimation;mod6: creating an 'installer' that will work on abitrary hardware is not easy at all
1152429;1433302102;mod6;if all else fails, i'll give your guide a shot.
1152430;1433302141;mircea_popescu;decimation it's due to the cert business.
1152431;1433302148;decimation;ah makes sense
1152432;1433302153;mircea_popescu;because god fucking forbid you download pgp signed matter and verify it locally
1152433;1433302159;mircea_popescu;nu-uh, gotta pki the shit.
1152434;1433302168;decimation;heh, well gpg has the same issue
1152435;1433302171;mircea_popescu;all-the-wrong-things (tm)
1152436;1433302176;mircea_popescu;how ?
1152437;1433302177;decimation;I tend to agree that expiration dates don't belong on keys
1152438;1433302183;decimation;keys can expire
1152439;1433302198;mircea_popescu;key expiring has nothing to do with verifying material they produced tho
1152440;1433302213;decimation;key expiration is kinda like the 'colored coins' idea
1152441;1433302220;decimation;no it does not
1152442;1433302221;mircea_popescu;heh i guess so
1152443;1433302263;decimation;but nevertheless someone thought they should program a check for the expiration date on the pki cert
1152444;1433302306;decimation;and/or "it couldn't possibly be valid if my wall-clock says so"
1152445;1433302356;mircea_popescu;it's just this entire frantic activity as a cover-up for impotence.
1152446;1433302373;mircea_popescu;retarded people who do not belong in front of a computer try their darndest to "make it secure" but have no fucking idea what that is
1152447;1433302383;mircea_popescu;so they just throw things at it. "Can't hurt, right ?" "test more things"
1152448;1433302392;mircea_popescu;"nobody can say we're not hard at work over here"
1152449;1433302400;decimation;well, computers are fundamentally impotent, especially w.r.t. security
1152450;1433302410;decimation;and poor quality hardware implementations
1152451;1433302438;decimation;lots of ultimately fruitless activity triggered by both of those
1152452;1433302446;gabriel_laddel;mod6: fyi, if you follow that funtoo install guide and don't use the masamune-specific replacements you'll end up with a binary kernel (funtoo has already started decaying) - make sure you use the KERNEL section of system.html if nothing else
1152453;1433302481;gabriel_laddel;also, I've a frozen stage3 tarball you may want to use
1152454;1433302485;decimation;I thought funtoo used rhel kernels
1152455;1433302501;gabriel_laddel;decimation: debian
1152456;1433302511;gabriel_laddel;by default anyhow
1152457;1433302517;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel if you're going to be doing code preservation you prolly want to hash and deed like i did on the eulora binaries for nvidia drivers.
1152458;1433302517;trinque;gabriel_laddel: PSA that deedbot likes to eat manifests
1152459;1433302524;trinque;heh
1152460;1433302559;gabriel_laddel;alrighty
1152461;1433302574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00032569 = 1.6122 BTC [-] {2} 
1152462;1433302754;BingoBoingo;In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May  be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus
1152463;1433302845;trinque;BingoBoingo: have a destination yet?
1152464;1433302856;mircea_popescu;80 pushups ?!
1152465;1433302866;mod6;gabriel_laddel: ok thanks for the heads up
1152466;1433302867;mircea_popescu;can you do any chinups yet ?
1152467;1433302870;BingoBoingo;trinque: Maybe mexico city or Makati
1152468;1433302887;trinque;cool
1152469;1433302919;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Doing dumbell rows to get the strength to get to chinups/pullups. In the interim cutting weight to make that stuff easier.
1152470;1433302955;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1152471;1433302967;BingoBoingo;brb, seeing if I can do chin ups
1152472;1433302969;Landgull;Bingo - if central America looks good to you/you speak Spanish, south America is also a good place to flee to.
1152473;1433302969;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152414 << portage fetches many things from version control systems of various sorts (cvs, svn, git, mercurial, etc, ..., etc) and these typically barf when clock is wildly off
1152474;1433302969;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 03:25:03; mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "
1152475;1433302997;asciilifeform;('woah you're downloading from tehfyootor!!111!1'
1152476;1433303028;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152425 << aha, the 'xorg' thing. shitgnomatics pure & simple
1152477;1433303028;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 03:27:28; decimation: I donno, I didn't program it.  I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again
1152478;1433303048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if every time i went to buy a quart of milk the teller asked me what time it is...
1152479;1433303056;mircea_popescu;i'd prolly just go back to a life of murder.
1152480;1433303065;BingoBoingo;Landgull: I'd like to travel though as nobody
1152481;1433303074;BingoBoingo;And no, not chin-up in shape yet
1152482;1433303098;Landgull;If you're avoiding the US, you want to establish at the very least legal permanent residence, and proof of it somewhere else, for the tax exemption.
1152483;1433303144;BingoBoingo;Landgull: Atm USia isn't so bad because I have nothing.
1152484;1433303158;asciilifeform;i beg to differ, it's pretty bad with nothing
1152485;1433303161;BingoBoingo;But as that changes situation will get moar desperate
1152486;1433303170;asciilifeform;perhaps my nothings are different from BingoBoingo's ?
1152487;1433303187;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Our scales may be differently calibrated.
1152488;1433303227;trinque;my life's pretty good, but as long as I'm here I'm no better than a happy citizen of the reich
1152489;1433303245;Landgull;Fair enough. I established Paraguayan legal residency a while back as a way to 1) have legal residence in a 0% tax area and 2) have a guaranteed place I'm allowed to go if the world suddenly decides that it doesn't really want Americans hanging about.
1152490;1433303263;asciilifeform;Landgull: how do you plan to get there? glider ?
1152491;1433303322;asciilifeform;i recently learned, to some surprise, that ru is now a destination for immigrants
1152492;1433303324;Landgull;They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.
1152493;1433303334;BingoBoingo;My nothing consists of an ongoing misdemeanor legal case that constrains my travel (2 years nao) and older relatives I help to keep out of the nursing home.
1152494;1433303338;asciilifeform;(but same problem as anywhere else - what to eat)
1152495;1433303383;asciilifeform;!s republikflucht
1152496;1433303384;assbot;10 results for 'republikflucht' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=republikflucht
1152497;1433303421;trinque;only possible (and certainly not easy) solution seems to be to establish bitcoin revenue streams, and *in time*
1152498;1433303436;trinque;that and coffee wake me up in the morning
1152499;1433303453;asciilifeform;trinque: another solution is to discover cold fusion, interstellar engine, or time travel
1152500;1433303466;trinque;nobody ever once started a business and made any money
1152501;1433303484;asciilifeform;business without any geographic peg at all? sure, some
1152502;1433303486;asciilifeform;but rounds to 0.
1152503;1433303498;Landgull;Or to go to places where you can live comfortably on ~$500-750 a month, and teach English.
1152504;1433303510;trinque;Landgull: *mandarin :P
1152505;1433303513;asciilifeform;Landgull: why do you imagine anyone will pay you this to teach english
1152506;1433303514;trinque;I have a buddy learning that now
1152507;1433303516;asciilifeform;esp. after u.s. is done
1152508;1433303542;Landgull;Well, by the time the US is done, you should have found some way to integrate yourself into the local community.
1152509;1433303625;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: korea
1152510;1433303638;BingoBoingo;Landgull: Understand most places where teaching English for money is a thing are awfully xenophobic to white people as residents. Like Korea.
1152511;1433303647;gabriel_laddel;ummm
1152512;1433303729;Landgull;Bingo: Go to Georgia - your visitor's visa is good for 360 days out of 365 (take a trip across a border to anywhere, or just give someone a $10 bribe) and English is becoming the new state language, replacing Russian, so native English speakers are in demand.
1152513;1433303809;Landgull;CIS countries aren't exactly paradise, but if you want out, there are plenty of ways out.
1152514;1433303893;BingoBoingo;Landgull: I've got ideas, just working on means of execution. Georgia doesn't seem like a good fit.
1152515;1433303984;Landgull;Fair enough. I haven't been to Georgia yet, I'm hoping to visit sometime in the next few months.
1152516;1433304160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5484 @ 0.00033185 = 1.8199 BTC [+]
1152517;1433305234;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1152518;1433305291;asciilifeform;Landgull: when nato dies its long-overdue death, cometh the bulldozer
1152519;1433305369;Landgull;Sure. But there are still plenty of parts of the world where the food supply comes from within 100 miles of the city.
1152520;1433305478;asciilifeform;Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ?
1152521;1433305528;decimation;new zealand comes to mind
1152522;1433305556;decimation;it's full of socialist derps but pretty self-sufficient
1152523;1433305561;BingoBoingo;Landgull: Come to scenic southern illinois!
1152524;1433305564;Landgull;Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire.
1152525;1433305589;asciilifeform;Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap
1152526;1433305592;asciilifeform;than work as 'coder'
1152527;1433305602;decimation;Landgull: I think ascii's goal is to sleep ad libitum
1152528;1433305612;Landgull;I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50
1152529;1433305635;decimation;can also catch a 7.62 round
1152530;1433305641;BingoBoingo;<Landgull> Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire. << Alf is in a more dangerous position. He is an excellent flenser and polisher. Intellectually uninteresting work will shave decades off of his life.
1152531;1433305667;BingoBoingo;<Landgull> I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down to the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50 << Welcome to my back yard
1152532;1433305682;Landgull;Well, if you're smart enough to know how to allocate memory in C, you can find a way to earn $500 a month anywhere in the world.
1152533;1433305698;asciilifeform;Landgull: in a way that doesn't make you save up for a pistol to blow brains with?
1152534;1433305704;decimation;let us know when Putin the Great asks for german colonists to come back to odessa
1152535;1433305707;asciilifeform;if i were smart enough for this, would not be living in usa now.
1152536;1433305734;Landgull;Well, what do you do in the USA now? And Putin has no interest in Lviv.
1152537;1433305775;asciilifeform;Landgull: i must refer you to the logs. it is difficult to describe
1152538;1433305833;Landgull;Fair enough. All I know is that I'd plow fields to avoid going back to the US.
1152539;1433305844;asciilifeform;Landgull: presently i work on automation of reverse-engineering on x86. prior to that, as a reverse engineer. prior to that, high-performance computing for biotech, as sole programmer in entire outfit
1152540;1433305868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45206 @ 0.00032854 = 14.852 BTC [-] {2} 
1152541;1433305907;Landgull;So, if you sold those skills freelance, for $100 an hour, you could work for 10 hours a month and live very comfortably in most parts of the world.
1152542;1433305916;Landgull;Most non-anglophone parts.
1152543;1433305935;asciilifeform;!s meatwot
1152544;1433305936;assbot;11 results for 'meatwot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meatwot
1152545;1433305940;asciilifeform;Landgull: ^ must refer you to logs.
1152546;1433305964;trinque;!s variety speak
1152547;1433305965;assbot;48 results for 'variety speak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=variety+speak
1152548;1433305965;decimation;Landgull: I desire to work 0 hours per month for someone else
1152549;1433305984;decimation;neigh impossible in fiat world
1152550;1433306003;Landgull;Decimation: As do I. But that's much easier to achieve when your expenses are $500, not $5,000.
1152551;1433306046;decimation;sure, dollar pollution is high in the us, but that's where I'm stuck.  like ascii, my wot is here
1152552;1433306087;asciilifeform;Landgull: one thing to be aware of is that logic analyzer still costs 500 in lvov. and electron microscope still costs 500000, just like in new york.
1152553;1433306096;asciilifeform;(plus a few tonnes' shipping)
1152554;1433306113;decimation;^ that too
1152555;1433306127;decimation;electronics has been completely 'globalized'
1152556;1433306153;Landgull;Fair points as well. And I'm not suggesting Lviv as a specific destination, I'm here meeting the girlfriend's family - though it's really quite a nice city.
1152557;1433306167;asciilifeform;no just pointing out the limitations of 'move, shave some zeroes from your expenses'
1152558;1433306173;asciilifeform;it works for, e.g., rent
1152559;1433306180;decimation;and food to some extent
1152560;1433306182;asciilifeform;not so much for actually -fucking living- life
1152561;1433306199;decimation;that requires - actual city
1152562;1433306231;Landgull;I guess it depends on what pieces of life you consider living. I'm not arguing that it's easier to get out of the US, if it were easier it would be done.
1152563;1433306234;asciilifeform;it requires functioning industrial economy
1152564;1433306236;decimation;ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k
1152565;1433306248;asciilifeform;decimation: and eat roots, berries ?
1152566;1433306254;decimation;heh yeah exactly
1152567;1433306265;Landgull;You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD.
1152568;1433306266;asciilifeform;decimation: not to mention that tax is still payable in usd
1152569;1433306269;asciilifeform;and not roots, berries.
1152570;1433306289;decimation;indeed.  then your only choice is to live under a stump like that one guy
1152571;1433306290;asciilifeform;Landgull: until the city is liberated and they shoot everyone who ever held u.s. passport
1152572;1433306295;asciilifeform;(rest assured there is a list)
1152573;1433306306;BingoBoingo;decimation> ascii you could probably buy a few acres of iowa for a few $k << Not really, Chicoms are buying Iowa like it is going out of style.
1152574;1433306321;Landgull;Ascii: No-one really hates Americans, unless you're the socks with sandals type.
1152575;1433306329;asciilifeform;Landgull: guess again.
1152576;1433306332;decimation;Landgull: read many books?
1152577;1433306364;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid
1152578;1433306372;decimation;!article 58
1152579;1433306376;decimation;!s article 58
1152580;1433306377;assbot;3 results for 'article 58' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=article+58
1152581;1433306389;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the only reason you and i even can afford food is that he doesn't need all of it
1152582;1433306397;Landgull;...I'm telling you from having been to a number of places and talked to a number of people, I've yet to meet anyone who hates American people.
1152583;1433306402;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed. We are limited to the border swamps
1152584;1433306404;Landgull;Plenty hate the American government.
1152585;1433306448;decimation;Landgull: the point is that when they want to throw you in the gulag, nicities like 'we liked americans' mean jack shit
1152586;1433306473;Landgull;...except the only gulags that still exist are in the USA.
1152587;1433306483;decimation;heh
1152588;1433306488;Landgull;And North Korea.
1152589;1433306497;Landgull;But I'm not advocating trying to migrate to North Korea.
1152590;1433306506;decimation;russia and china have thier own versions
1152591;1433306539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14939 @ 0.0003375 = 5.0419 BTC [+] {3} 
1152592;1433306555;Landgull;Most governments don't have the kind of resources to do US style insanity.
1152593;1433306670;Landgull;And most people in the world don't have the culture of violence that the US does.
1152594;1433306695;asciilifeform;Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ?
1152595;1433306716;Landgull;Well, the Ukrainians have thrown more molotovs at their government than anyone else recently.
1152596;1433306725;asciilifeform;a healthy tradition of violence is quite possibly the only thing u.s. has left going for it.
1152597;1433306727;Landgull;And probably will again soon.
1152598;1433306759;decimation;lol ukrainians have done was usg wills
1152599;1433306785;decimation;!s nuland
1152600;1433306786;assbot;14 results for 'nuland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nuland
1152601;1433306791;Landgull;I know all about Nuland.
1152602;1433306798;Landgull;And the US corruption of the Maidan.
1152603;1433306963;decimation;asciilifeform: I bought one of those termteks, gonna see if it works
1152604;1433306983;decimation;I want a remote console for my server
1152605;1433306987;asciilifeform;decimation: consider posting a pic of the insides
1152606;1433306993;decimation;sure no problem
1152607;1433307008;Landgull;But seriously, it takes 10 minutes of talking to actual Ukrainians walking around here to see that they haven't bought USgov propaganda properly. As much as the information net wants you to believe it's the same everywhere, it isn't.
1152608;1433307038;decimation;they don't have to buy it for some army or other to show up to 'liberate' them
1152609;1433307044;asciilifeform;Landgull: there's a couplea million folks a few 100 km east of you who will have your head on a pike if you stick around.
1152610;1433307055;asciilifeform;don't imagine they won't.
1152611;1433307057;decimation;or encourage you to do your patriotic duty
1152612;1433307119;Landgull;Ascii: 1) I can buy a plane ticket somewhere else if a real invasion happened. 2) If the Russians came into the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine, they'd be fighting a massive guerrilla war...they're succeeding in Donetsk and Luhansk because the people there are Russians and have a Russian identity.
1152613;1433307146;decimation;the red army was famous for putting machine gunners behind the troops, for encouragement
1152614;1433307153;asciilifeform;Landgull: ask the older locals how the guerilla war worked out for them '45-'60
1152615;1433307187;decimation;or how it worked out for the anti-asad syrians
1152616;1433307215;decimation;or how it worked out for the anti-chinese vietnamese
1152617;1433307229;asciilifeform;and this notion that one can buy plane ticket during invasion...
1152618;1433307237;*;asciilifeform won't even comment on this
1152619;1433307250;asciilifeform;!s diamond train
1152620;1433307251;assbot;0 results for 'diamond train' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=diamond+train
1152621;1433307260;Landgull;I'd mention that I'm out here doing what you claim to want to do.
1152622;1433307267;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon#/media/File:Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg
1152623;1433307327;asciilifeform;Landgull: then you have a catastrophic misconception of what i would like to do.
1152624;1433307327;Landgull;You don't want to get out of the US?
1152625;1433307327;asciilifeform;i want out of u.s. on -my- terms
1152626;1433307330;asciilifeform;and when i say 'out', i mean 'out'
1152627;1433307334;asciilifeform;and not living in a u.s. colony
1152628;1433307342;asciilifeform;which 100% of cis, and esp. west ua, is
1152629;1433307347;asciilifeform;just as new zealand is
1152630;1433307349;asciilifeform;or poland
1152631;1433307360;decimation;indeed, such a place probably does not exist
1152632;1433307364;Landgull;Before I came here, I would have said the same thing.
1152633;1433307367;trinque;it's going to have to be an underground-undersea base
1152634;1433307381;Landgull;And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power.
1152635;1433307387;asciilifeform;trinque: they exist but generally you gotta be ethnic
1152636;1433307387;decimation;trinque: undersea is laughably insecure
1152637;1433307390;asciilifeform;trinque: e.g., cn
1152638;1433307397;Landgull;That's the thing that's virtually impossible to understand while you're still in the US.
1152639;1433307404;trinque;decimation: note the hyphen, not a slash
1152640;1433307414;trinque;underground *and* undersea!
1152641;1433307420;decimation;heh
1152642;1433307426;decimation;you livin in a volcano?
1152643;1433307440;trinque;cover's blown
1152644;1433307470;decimation;Landgull: the thing is, if you make trouble and usg wants you, the derpy local government will please their masters
1152645;1433307493;Landgull;Sure, they will. What kind of trouble are you looking to make?
1152646;1433307507;decimation;replace fiat with bitcoin?
1152647;1433307529;Landgull;Do you have enough money for them to notice you exist?
1152648;1433307555;decimation;if bitcoin becomes close to replacing any major fiat, it will be 'enough money' for everyone to notice
1152649;1433307558;asciilifeform;Landgull: e.g., weev, had no money.
1152650;1433307568;asciilifeform;neither did the 'ufo hacker' kid in uk
1152651;1433307580;asciilifeform;nor, afaik, mr assange
1152652;1433307588;asciilifeform;money is not needed to be gassed
1152653;1433307619;Landgull;If bitcoin starts replacing fiat, the USgov isn't going to have the resources to come after you.
1152654;1433307620;decimation;and to monetize bitcoin is to destroy the entire usd financial 'system'
1152655;1433307638;Landgull;As for the rest: How many of them lived in non-anglophone countries?
1152656;1433307640;decimation;which is why they will pinch you as soon as they can
1152657;1433307655;trinque;Landgull: I'd expect some tumultuous years before that's complete
1152658;1433307696;Landgull;Sure. But I'd expect your chances are better in a country where the government is essentially non-existent than they are somewhere that they know where you are and can knock on your door.
1152659;1433307701;asciilifeform;they are making the slow but inevitable transition from fraud to robbery
1152660;1433307726;decimation;^ which is when it will be useful to live in a 'culture of violence'
1152661;1433307750;asciilifeform;Landgull: other thing is, if you rely on electronic banks in any way whatsoever, they'll simply zero your accounts
1152662;1433307762;asciilifeform;and send you a complimentary plane ticket back to gulag
1152663;1433307776;Landgull;Ascii: cash, and meatWOT, and btc are all keys to avoiding that.
1152664;1433307798;asciilifeform;Landgull: if you have enough of these to last your entire natural life, we're happy for you
1152665;1433307815;Landgull;My girlfriend is from here. Her family likes me. If it were THAT dire, I'd go run away to their village and help them grow food.
1152666;1433307855;decimation;how many people in that village will know about the foreigner?
1152667;1433307857;asciilifeform;y'know, for all the things said about american prison, at least no one is compelled to be involved in the growing of food there.
1152668;1433307885;decimation;aye, most of the 'resources' he complains about are spent feeding prisoners
1152669;1433307907;Landgull;If you're going to declare yourself an enemy of the USgov and be a real threat to them, they'll find you, sure.
1152670;1433307924;decimation;or RUgov
1152671;1433307932;Landgull;Or any major government.
1152672;1433307947;decimation;or maybe they will round up the 'dissidents' to be shot to encourage the masses
1152673;1433307952;Landgull;If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US.
1152674;1433308001;*;asciilifeform tries to recall the last time americans threw grenade in his window
1152675;1433308003;BingoBoingo;<Landgull> If you just don't want flashbangs coming in your window and poisonous food, then you can have a much better life outside of the US. << I have yet to seem flashbangs tyvm. I just has a single FBI agent and single treasury agent sweating on my front lawn like the hambeasts they were.
1152676;1433308020;*;asciilifeform tries to recall the last time he ate synthetic food
1152677;1433308084;Landgull;Ascii: There is no actual food available in the US unless you grow it yourself. Seriously. I didn't think it was that bad until I ate real food. As for the flashbangs: people get no-knocked all the time. You're the ones saying they're going to send death-squads to Ukraine after me, but you're not worried about them doing the same to you from in their backyard?
1152678;1433308109;BingoBoingo;Landgull: I am terribly worried of that.
1152679;1433308118;asciilifeform;Landgull: the queue must be long, i'm still waiting to be gassed, give'em some time
1152680;1433308127;decimation;generally no-knocks are done of folks who give the cops some reason to think they will be a threat
1152681;1433308129;BingoBoingo;But I am terribly resigned to being low on the cue
1152682;1433308145;asciilifeform;'prison is like the grave, room can be found for everyone' (ru proverb)
1152683;1433308181;Landgull;If they want you, they'll find you wherever you go. But it takes a lot more wanting to deal with finding you somewhere else than it does to find you when you're wrapped up with a bow for them.
1152684;1433308232;asciilifeform;Landgull: interestingly, it is much cheaper to have you picked up in an 'orcish' land than in, e.g., new york
1152685;1433308246;asciilifeform;because the dirty work can be done with local hands, and bureaucratic niceties are 100% optional
1152686;1433308249;Landgull;Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything.
1152687;1433308263;decimation;no lawyers, etc
1152688;1433308270;asciilifeform;Landgull: ^ and this doesn't affect your life?!
1152689;1433308270;decimation;no other parts of usg to fiddle
1152690;1433308293;Landgull;Well, I'm not trying to be here on a permanent visa.
1152691;1433308310;BingoBoingo;<Landgull> Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything. << Kinda why Phillipines is on my exit candidate list. Massively orchish and USG proving proving ground for cultural failures.
1152692;1433308315;Landgull;And I'm not suggesting Lviv as the destination of the century - like I said, I'm here to meet the girlfriend's family.
1152693;1433308315;asciilifeform;Landgull: besides, they did organize very well to shell a few million ru folks in east ua day and night. that will be paid for eventually.
1152694;1433308349;Landgull;Yeah, but most of those soldiers are extremely hostile to the UAgov at this point. It's more likely to be paid for by the UAarmy than the RUarmy.
1152695;1433308374;asciilifeform;Landgull: they're bringing in u.s. mercenaries. will be many good lulz.
1152696;1433308376;Landgull;I've heard the Phillipines are good. I've never been there.
1152697;1433308388;BingoBoingo;http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd???
1152698;1433308448;decimation;I was unaware that generals took the opinion of their troops into account
1152699;1433308448;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: artifexd
1152700;1433308448;BingoBoingo;;;later tell artifexd http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx
1152701;1433308508;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1152702;1433308508;Landgull;If the troops have more guns than they have generals...
1152703;1433308508;decimation;then mutineers are shot?
1152704;1433308508;Landgull;These people have been fighting for actual independence, from everyone, for over 100 years. They've fought poles, they've fought germans, they've fought russians.
1152705;1433308537;Landgull;Unlike the USgov with a nebulous idea of "we want to spread democracy guyz" they actually know what they're fighting for.
1152706;1433308545;asciilifeform;Landgull: fighting to be zimbabwe, yes
1152707;1433308573;asciilifeform;Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum
1152708;1433308578;asciilifeform;as we have it - zimbabwe.
1152709;1433308584;Landgull;Ascii: Most of the "economic development" in the world is fed by debt-bubbles.
1152710;1433308586;decimation;I was under the impression that they wanted to recreate the waffen ss
1152711;1433308601;asciilifeform;decimation: aha, with pitchforks (what'll be left after nato packs up)
1152712;1433308629;decimation;http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/
1152713;1433308689;Landgull;As for the nazi issue: Yes, Bandera and UPA are considered cultural heroes here, and yes they co-operated with the germans, because they thought it was their best chance for an independent Ukraine.
1152714;1433308689;decimation;of course, as moldbug said, actual nazis would ahve been horrified by these guys
1152715;1433308703;Landgull;Most of the things you're saying are what I thought before I actually got on an airplane and came here.
1152716;1433308714;asciilifeform;Landgull: i happen to have been born there.
1152717;1433308729;Landgull;In Lviv?
1152718;1433308752;asciilifeform;600km east
1152719;1433308756;asciilifeform;odessa
1152720;1433308803;Landgull;Are you Russian or Ukrainian?
1152721;1433308816;asciilifeform;ru
1152722;1433308845;decimation;wait, I thought ukrainian was kind of a rural-hick version of russian (as a language)
1152723;1433308850;asciilifeform;when the ukrs came, changed the street signs, and forced their chimp dialect to be taught in schools, my folks packed up for usa.
1152724;1433308858;asciilifeform;decimation: it is
1152725;1433308876;asciilifeform;decimation: phun phact: 'u kraina' ~= 'on the hinterlands'
1152726;1433308876;decimation;the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious
1152727;1433308901;BingoBoingo;Landgull: May I suggest lever action rifle as a solution to your problems. Since pistol caliber casting rounds with coinsilver is surprisingly reasonable
1152728;1433308947;Landgull;...except I can look at people and tell who is Russian and who is Ukrainian. And again: I'm not saying Ukraine is the mecca to run to, I'm saying that getting out of the US to somewhere that is saner, (and yes, UA is saner than the US) is worth the effort.
1152729;1433308973;asciilifeform;Landgull: west ua is ethnically own things, yes. largely pl and hu folks
1152730;1433309005;decimation;russia itself isn't exactly homogenous
1152731;1433309056;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1152732;1433309058;Landgull;Ascii: holodomor and resettling of russians during the USSR definitely effected the country in a big way, demographically, such that "historically Ukrainian" lands aren't really Ukrainian anymore.
1152733;1433309068;asciilifeform;decimation: when most foreigners think of ru, they picture something roughly like the duchy of moscovy circa 1300s
1152734;1433309099;*;BingoBoingo pictures Sean Connery's home in Hunt for the Red October
1152735;1433309108;asciilifeform;*1500
1152736;1433309163;Landgull;But the Ukrainians are an actual race and culture - yes they're similar to the Poles, the Hungarians, and the Russians, but whether or not they're a biological race or just a cultural and linguistic one, they've a strong sense of national identity and a strong desire for national self-determination.
1152737;1433309201;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah but what about all the turkic and mongoliod autonomous regions
1152738;1433309206;asciilifeform;next Landgull will have us consider the pakistanis or taiwanese 'an ancient and own race and culture'
1152739;1433309219;Landgull;I also think that Crimea and eastern UA shouldn't probably be part of the same country as western and central UA.
1152740;1433309223;asciilifeform;rather than the anglo-created zoos they are
1152741;1433309228;decimation;Urdu having sprung from the wisdom of the british line-drawers
1152742;1433309238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.0003292 = 6.0244 BTC [-]
1152743;1433309260;asciilifeform;and i'd like to learn of the ancient and proud race of south korea.
1152744;1433309262;Landgull;Except the people here have been fighting to be their own country since before the US became an empire.
1152745;1433309279;decimation;Landgull: what about Zabaykalsky Krai
1152746;1433309300;asciilifeform;Landgull: mainly fighting poles, and turks, yes
1152747;1433309315;Landgull;Decimation: It's not something I know enough about to make any comment on.
1152748;1433309326;asciilifeform;and to avoid rape & pillage, rather than 'to be own country', which is really a 19th c. psychiatric disease
1152749;1433309336;asciilifeform;and in its most acute manifestations, far more recent than that
1152750;1433309358;decimation;my point is that there are plenty of autonomous oblasts inside ru which have similiar 'ethnic and liguistic' claims
1152751;1433309377;decimation;hell, so do the apache in arizona
1152752;1433309381;Landgull;And if they want independence, why shouldn't they have it?
1152753;1433309390;asciilifeform;decimation: i will add that usg works tirelessly to help -them- as well 'wake up' to their 'ancient and proud cultural identity and thirst for independence'
1152754;1433309391;decimation;because they suck, and cannot achieve it
1152755;1433309420;Landgull;So, you're opposed to US imperialism, but simultaneously think that people shouldn't have a right to self-determination?
1152756;1433309429;asciilifeform;Landgull: any flea-bitten village can become an independent country. all it needs to do is learn to manufacture ballistic rockets and nukes by the thousands.
1152757;1433309433;asciilifeform;and submarines to sail them on.
1152758;1433309434;decimation;woah, I never said I was opposed to us imperialism
1152759;1433309444;decimation;I'm opposed to the lack of liberty in the us
1152760;1433309446;asciilifeform;anything short of this, is just switching the selection of imperial rapist
1152761;1433309478;asciilifeform;Landgull: 'right to self-determination' comes from these gadgets and nowhere else.
1152762;1433309482;Landgull;Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing.
1152763;1433309484;mats;fun fact: some large radio telescopes were built for earth to moon to earth surveillance of su radars
1152764;1433309497;asciilifeform;Landgull: only if you're goatfuckistan
1152765;1433309505;asciilifeform;with no infrastructure
1152766;1433309511;asciilifeform;mats: i thought this was well-known
1152767;1433309531;mats;why would you think that
1152768;1433309533;decimation;what is your kalash going to do against a T-72?
1152769;1433309550;Landgull;You don't go running headfirst towards tanks unless you're an idiot.
1152770;1433309554;decimation;or an entire village pointing the finger at the foreign wrecker
1152771;1433309558;asciilifeform;decimation: notice how usg is in kandahar but not in moscow
1152772;1433309569;mats;fun fact: there are ascii art animals in the windows source
1152773;1433309575;asciilifeform;it is not enough for the defensive weapon to make attack unprofitable, or even suicidal. it must be -unthinkable-
1152774;1433309583;asciilifeform;as in - 'new york is glass'
1152775;1433309586;decimation;yeah, cn and ru are more-or-less independent
1152776;1433309631;Landgull;...for the last time, I'm not saying "Hey guys, you should move to Ukraine." or that I'm moving to Ukraine for that matter - I prefer South America on the whole. I'm saying that if you want personal liberty, and to not live in an insane culture, you can actually leave and be better off.
1152777;1433309648;asciilifeform;Landgull: i was merely arguing that you have not actually left usa
1152778;1433309655;decimation;and I'm saying that you have lept from the frying pan into the fire
1152779;1433309660;asciilifeform;just living in the 76th state or the like.
1152780;1433309672;decimation;you are part of the greater-usaia that has no pretense of rights
1152781;1433309688;asciilifeform;yes, flat in lvov costs about what it does in iowa.
1152782;1433309697;asciilifeform;but why is this exciting
1152783;1433309706;decimation;^ if ascii wanted to live in a mut hut, he could do in the us for the same price
1152784;1433309714;mats;fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments.
1152785;1433309715;asciilifeform;cheaper
1152786;1433309718;asciilifeform;no need for airplane.
1152787;1433309723;decimation;could even carry kalash
1152788;1433309735;asciilifeform;mats: untrusted ~= without admin ?
1152789;1433309741;mats;yeah
1152790;1433309759;asciilifeform;mats: considering the ease of bypassing uac on all known winblows, sorta academic
1152791;1433309764;decimation;mats: probably depends on how retarded your hardware is
1152792;1433309779;asciilifeform;mats: or the abundance of buggy legit-signed drivers to dynamically load and exploit
1152793;1433309798;Landgull;Ascii: I won't disagree with you (decimation, you're wrong.) that most of the world is currently under the USgov thumb, to some degree. But you are still better off in an outlying part of it, where the control is less potent, and has much less influence on your daily life (like, in terms of being able to buy food that doesn't make you sick, and being able to date girls who aren't insane) than you are sitting in their back yard
1152794;1433309846;asciilifeform;Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0
1152795;1433309861;asciilifeform;and re: their sanity once you renounce your u.s. passport formally
1152796;1433309869;decimation;heh yeah
1152797;1433309887;Landgull;Ascii: met the girl in Canada, she pays for half of everything, and she's not interested in ever going back to the west, because it's too insane.
1152798;1433309921;*;asciilifeform cannot comment on the specifics of Landgull's case here, but the overall prognosis of americans who go abroad 'for the gurlz' is dire
1152799;1433309940;Landgull;Decimation: You're imagining that governments in the rest of the world work like the US government. I.E. the laws on the books matter. They can pass a law saying just about anything they want, but they don't have the means to enforce it and they have a population that is used to just ignoring government stupidity instead of bending over.
1152800;1433309963;Landgull;The babusya/babushkas here have more power than Poroshenko does.
1152801;1433309984;asciilifeform;Landgull: this cuts both ways. if locals start charging you $1000/mo for the great privilege of your flat not being torched, the officials -also- will not care.
1152802;1433310005;Landgull;Sure. And it's why you do need to actually integrate. I.E. learn the language, get to know people, etc.
1152803;1433310025;asciilifeform;if Landgull did this - congrats to him
1152804;1433310026;Landgull;Same thing with the women. If you go to Ukraine, find English speaking girls, and flash your passport and cash around, you're going to have a bad day.
1152805;1433310044;Vexual;how much is the chapagne agian?!?!
1152806;1433310065;Landgull;~40-50 hryvnyas. So $2-3
1152807;1433310083;Landgull;Ascii: I'm working, slowly, on my Ukrainian. My Spanish is much better.
1152808;1433310085;Vexual;yeah depends where you go i suppose
1152809;1433310125;decimation;Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees
1152810;1433310140;Landgull;Decimation: I'm not running from, I'm running to.
1152811;1433310158;Landgull;I used to be running from.
1152812;1433310228;Landgull;I like learning languages, and I like buying my food in an open air market from the person who grew it.
1152813;1433310267;Vexual;i like strip joints
1152814;1433310287;Vexual;prolly where i went wrong
1152815;1433310312;Landgull;Haha. I also like cheap vodka and cops you can bribe away from petty crimes.
1152816;1433310339;Vexual;in australia, its too hot for the cops to get out of the car mostly
1152817;1433310355;Vexual;they do finger wagging with the windows up
1152818;1433310361;Landgull;XD
1152819;1433310428;Landgull;I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started.
1152820;1433310499;Landgull;And if the western finance system does come crashing down, you're going to be better off in poor countries (granted that you can live like a local) because they're used to things like that happening. USistan will devolve into utter insanity.
1152821;1433310519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16174 @ 0.00032862 = 5.3151 BTC [-]
1152822;1433310781;Vexual;safe, sane, and stable are all kind subjective
1152823;1433310882;Vexual;why most people stay put
1152824;1433310892;Landgull;!up Vexual
1152825;1433310946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15474 @ 0.00033521 = 5.187 BTC [+]
1152826;1433310978;Landgull;Sure, it's not for everyone.
1152827;1433311042;Vexual;what, moving or sanity?
1152828;1433311068;Landgull;Moving. The fact that people still pay for cable is proof that the second isn't for everyone.
1152829;1433311084;Vexual;cable tv?
1152830;1433311141;Landgull;It was more of a quip than a serious comment - but I know a number of people who spend their time yelling at the box because of what obama/the republicans/the gays/the church did today.
1152831;1433311150;Vexual;oh yes
1152832;1433311178;Vexual;where are you now, forgive my memeory constraints
1152833;1433311187;Vexual;asia?
1152834;1433311189;Landgull;Right now, Lviv, Ukraine.
1152835;1433311197;Vexual;north asia
1152836;1433311200;Landgull;For the next 2.5 months.
1152837;1433311248;Vexual;chapagnes that cheap huh?
1152838;1433311260;Vexual;you must be doing something right
1152839;1433311305;Landgull;Cost of living, for the same standard of living, is ~5-10x lower here than in the US
1152840;1433311354;Vexual;can you get a good tomato?
1152841;1433311356;Landgull;If you actually go shop at the market and take public transport, as opposed to walling yourself off in some hotel.
1152842;1433311364;Landgull;The food is better than anything I've ever had before.
1152843;1433311373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00032505 = 4.4532 BTC [-]
1152844;1433311421;Landgull;People from the villages around Lviv bring in what they grow and sell it to you. No mass-produced GMO rin tomatoes.
1152845;1433311454;Landgull;The reason tomatoes are pink instead of red is they're heterozygous for RIN, or ripening-inhibition gene to make them ship better.
1152846;1433311490;Vexual;i kinda like em firm like that
1152847;1433311495;Vexual;for sandwiches
1152848;1433311518;Landgull;Well, they're still firm, because they're fresh. But you have to go to the market every day or two because the food goes bad quickly.
1152849;1433311562;Landgull;Which sounds like a bad thing, but I'd like to know why it is that chicken rots much faster in Ukraine than in the US...
1152850;1433311581;Landgull;If the bacteria won't eat it...
1152851;1433311584;Vexual;fuck furn around here and the shits got maggots
1152852;1433311633;Vexual;old school aussie fridge was a flyscreen
1152853;1433311689;Landgull;I'm not trying to claim that this is some kind of paradise, it's absolutely not, and you have to give up a lot of the "first world" comforts.
1152854;1433311709;Vexual;like strippers that dont pull a gun?
1152855;1433311734;Landgull;Eh, violence here when it happens is much more the fist fight sort than the murder sort.
1152856;1433311751;Landgull;Or the "I want your money" and then run away sort.
1152857;1433311767;Landgull;It's definitely safer than the city I grew up in back in the US.
1152858;1433311865;Vexual;sounds like a no-brainer
1152859;1433311925;mircea_popescu;in sadder news, a reasonably recent 8 core server is doing block verification at the rate of 28 seconds per.
1152860;1433311944;mircea_popescu;back when it was comissioned coupla years ago it blazed through them at the rate of 7-10 seconds per.
1152861;1433311969;mircea_popescu;if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes
1152862;1433311987;mircea_popescu;meaning that the average server your average internaut can't afford would barely keep up with the chain.
1152863;1433312048;Landgull;So doesn't that mean the 20mb block will self-defeat?
1152864;1433312059;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> if one scales shit linarily, a 20mb block would be verified by this machine in 560 seconds, or just a shade under 10 minutes << Welcome to my world
1152865;1433312089;Vexual;it means it time to vet ur nodes or ask someone else to bitcoin for you
1152866;1433312115;mircea_popescu;Landgull the 20mb block is a transparent attempt by the usg to take control back.
1152867;1433312135;mircea_popescu;it will self-defeat once the last policeman is buried in the coffin of the last politician.
1152868;1433312165;Landgull;I don't think they can keep fighting physics and math forever.
1152869;1433312179;BingoBoingo;Apparently some upstate politician who called himself Illinois fats died this week.
1152870;1433312186;Vexual;rabies?
1152871;1433312194;mircea_popescu;the masquerade where "people" ie, social media astroturf is misrepresented as  being in favour of this atrocity...
1152872;1433312227;mircea_popescu;"we joined bitcoin because we didn't like the banks so please take our bitcoin and put it in a bank"
1152873;1433312291;Vexual;they renamed rabies here when they discovered over 50% of the fruitbats had it
1152874;1433312308;Vexual;different strain
1152875;1433312369;Vexual;still kills you
1152876;1433312386;Landgull;Sure, but at least you didn't die of rabies.
1152877;1433312409;Vexual;well define a species
1152878;1433312418;Landgull;That was sarcasm.
1152879;1433312429;Vexual;as was mine, kinda
1152880;1433312457;Landgull;Homo facebookus would have to be aware of its life to die.
1152881;1433312468;Vexual;more of an openeded intelecutal thingus really
1152882;1433312635;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1152883;1433312654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4676 @ 0.00033521 = 1.5674 BTC [+]
1152884;1433312838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34277 @ 0.00034431 = 11.8019 BTC [+] {2} 
1152885;1433312847;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1152886;1433312898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22223 @ 0.00034815 = 7.7369 BTC [+] {2} 
1152887;1433312967;Vexual;southpark episides are so much easier to invent than southpark episides
1152888;1433313136;Vexual;^some ada for alf
1152889;1433313318;Vexual;shoulda read seinfelf
1152890;1433313320;Vexual;d
1152891;1433313362;Vexual;where you malign yourslef agains your best friend and make funny mistakes
1152892;1433313377;Vexual;its funny coz its true
1152893;1433313535;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152492 << o.O
1152894;1433313535;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 03:48:44; Landgull: They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.
1152895;1433313542;mircea_popescu;what is this, crazy logic hour ?
1152896;1433313602;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152507 << amusingly, the best pay for teaching greek was after the city collapsed
1152897;1433313602;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 03:51:56; asciilifeform: esp. after u.s. is done
1152898;1433313604;mircea_popescu;not before.
1152899;1433313633;Landgull;It would, though. The US learned from the USSR: you're better off making people believe that you'll be murdered and raped and strangled if you go anywhere and leave the hotel. It keeps people in line much more effectively than a travel ban would.
1152900;1433313642;Landgull;If a few dissidents flee, what of it? They were dissidents anyway.
1152901;1433313662;Landgull;But if you try to ban leaving, they have to admit what they really are.
1152902;1433313692;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152520 << this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152525 make for excellent reading. alf's developing the delivery skills of a character in a tenessee williams play.
1152903;1433313692;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 04:24:38; asciilifeform: Landgull: planning to live by gleaning ?
1152904;1433313692;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 04:26:29; asciilifeform: Landgull: i'd rather be boiled for soap
1152905;1433313748;mircea_popescu;Landgull the future hears you and says "your cheap psycho-skullduggery holds no power here".
1152906;1433313795;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152529 << for the local equivalent of checking someone else's privilege for them, yeah.
1152907;1433313795;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 04:27:15; decimation: can also catch a 7.62 round
1152908;1433314050;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152567 << i wonder what should be happening in one's head who "owns" real estate in random country but employs no army there.
1152909;1433314050;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 04:37:45; Landgull: You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv to live indefinitely with indefinite free time for ~$100k USD.
1152910;1433314106;mircea_popescu;what's the idea, someone'll indemnify you, come hell or high water, because they deeply care ?
1152911;1433314159;Vexual;reminds me of kenilworth of btct fame whos books i just went over
1152912;1433314160;Landgull;I don't own real estate in Lviv and won't particularly recommend it as an investment. Though it's probably better than a US bank account, which I do have.
1152913;1433314184;mircea_popescu;if one's forced to pick prolly best pick a mix, but yeah
1152914;1433314223;Landgull;I wouldn't be in a bitcoin channel if I thought that assets a government can take from you easily were a good idea. XD
1152915;1433314268;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152594 << yes, actually, it is.
1152916;1433314268;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 04:44:55; asciilifeform: Landgull: culture of bending over and quietly taking arse rape is an improvement ?
1152917;1433314282;Vexual;next time theyll sitck to assob, lol
1152918;1433314290;mircea_popescu;the us would be infinitely better if instead of "raising awareness" the impotent twerps would be busy accepting rape into their lives.
1152919;1433314326;Landgull;As for the rest: if you're in line at a slaughterhouse, your best move is always to try to get away, even if you risk being shot in the process. Uncertain success is better than certain failure, and life in the US has become so intolerable that I'd rather take my chances with an uncertain future than with a certain one.
1152920;1433314356;mircea_popescu;who're you again ?
1152921;1433314359;Vexual;at least 800k missing, and all the vexual sundies add app to an obscenely close number to the allwoable sundries
1152922;1433314378;Landgull;I'm a newb.
1152923;1433314391;mircea_popescu;that's a what.
1152924;1433314434;Landgull;I'm just some guy who found this place a few weeks ago, read the logs for a while, and decided that I'd like to join the community here, if it'll have me.
1152925;1433314474;mircea_popescu;Landgull so what's flyotech ?
1152926;1433314525;Landgull;Heh. Was a startup I was working on, using black soldier fly larvae to convert organic waste into biodiesel, fish feed, and fertilizer. Actually got it into Startup Chile, but my business partner refused to go to Chile and cost me the grant.
1152927;1433314562;mircea_popescu;married ?
1152928;1433314566;mircea_popescu;the partner i mean
1152929;1433314582;Landgull;Patents are in the process. And yeah, it was the girlfriend - not married yet, but she has his balls just the same.
1152930;1433314636;Landgull;It's for the best, the more I've learned about the "start up community" the more they make me want to gouge out my own eyes.
1152931;1433314666;mircea_popescu;beware of women affraid to travel and fuck strangers. they make horrible wives.
1152932;1433314711;Landgull;I'd say if you're dating a girl who would allow you to not go to something like that, you're dating the wrong woman.
1152933;1433314780;Landgull;Either way, a couple other people have caught onto similar ideas and have gotten pretty far ahead of me by now, but I put in a patent app a while back and with any luck I'll be able to license those out when I get done with it.
1152934;1433314796;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152634 << nuttiest thing i ever heard. so go into the secret service headquarters, kick the boss out of his office and play quake on his desktop for an evening.
1152935;1433314796;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 04:56:21; Landgull: And the government is owned by the US here, but the government here doesn't have any actual power.
1152936;1433314880;Landgull;Meh - fair point, but I mean they have very limited ability to screw with people who are just trying to live their lives.
1152937;1433314911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5257 @ 0.00033911 = 1.7827 BTC [-]
1152938;1433314920;mircea_popescu;you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons.
1152939;1433314934;mircea_popescu;apparently, it's because they have very limited ability to screw with stuff.
1152940;1433314946;mircea_popescu;but on tyhe other hand, make the bricks out of solid gold and see.
1152941;1433314973;Landgull;Sure, if the Ukrainians had anything to steal, the government would rapidly begin to steal it. But right now it's more profitable for them to steal from the USG.
1152942;1433315020;mircea_popescu;you see where this is going ?
1152943;1433315045;Landgull;Sure. And my response is that I expect to dry my laundry on a clothesline until fiat is dead.
1152944;1433315093;mircea_popescu;i once knew a guy who deigned to pick up the phone half the time when desperate hot women were calling to beg him to let them come over for a spell.
1152945;1433315107;mircea_popescu;obviously, this doesn't work for everybody.
1152946;1433315118;mircea_popescu;but mayhap it'll work for your clothesline
1152947;1433315136;Landgull;But I still prefer people who steal from you because they're just stealing from you and they want your stuff to people who steal for you and ask you to say it's for your own good.
1152948;1433315154;Landgull;The Ukie lot only try to steal your stuff, they don't bother trying to rape your mind.
1152949;1433315155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28451 @ 0.00033844 = 9.629 BTC [-]
1152950;1433315170;Landgull;steal from you, rather*
1152951;1433315245;mircea_popescu;arguably they do the same thing, with the means their limited intellect allows them to try and employ. or to quote :
1152952;1433315368;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> you confuse two unrelated things. thieves do not steal the brickwork but leave it behind for similar reasons. << And this is the warning flag Ferguson is a special failure. Theives steal the bricks.
1152953;1433315377;mircea_popescu;"Orangutans are among the most forceful of mammals. Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus) exhibited aggression in almost 90 percent of their copulations, including when the females were not resisting. A possible explanation for aggressive behaviors in primates is that it is a way for males to train females to be afraid of them and be more likely to surrender to future sexual advances."
1152954;1433315399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5618 @ 0.00033911 = 1.9051 BTC [+]
1152955;1433315523;Landgull;Sure, but having grown up in the US, the buttons that were implanted in me can still be pushed by their propaganda.
1152956;1433315525;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152686 << in this he has a point. the thirld world derps are comically incompetent to a degree perhaps best typified by that kidnapped columbian general in charge of supressing farc last year.
1152957;1433315525;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:10:49; Landgull: Plus, as I said, the USgov owns the UAgov, but unlike the US where the government really effects your life, the government here is a mass of incompetent bureaucracy without any serious ability to organize anything.
1152958;1433315554;mircea_popescu;the bar to effectual interdiction can be as low as a dozen armed trained hands.
1152959;1433315618;mircea_popescu;so yes it is much cheaper, in the sense that if you're cheap it's cheaper and if not it can't be done.
1152960;1433315648;Landgull;There's not really anywhere safe to go with assets, including btc, though it beats most of the alternatives.
1152961;1433315648;mircea_popescu;much like the flea market works. cheapest half-and-half to be had in the lands, but you won't get any pornstar poon there.
1152962;1433315655;BingoBoingo;From what I've read Sinaloa's fortunes have taken a turn for the worse since their USG connections at the top were revealed
1152963;1433315671;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo interesting how that works huh.
1152964;1433315693;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Truly.
1152965;1433315776;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile Los Zetas and the other non-USG cartel have their Eric Holder weapons somewhere...
1152966;1433315776;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152697 << wut was that ?
1152967;1433315776;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:13:08; BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/B1t1i1nx << WHo was in charge of gossipd???
1152968;1433315795;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Freenode banned #fatpeoplehate
1152969;1433315813;mircea_popescu;heh
1152970;1433315850;BingoBoingo;Imagine that though. An actual social justice cause organized on Freenode and B&
1152971;1433315890;mircea_popescu;why don't they go to 8chan instead.
1152972;1433315907;BingoBoingo;Their core is still on Reddit
1152973;1433315921;BingoBoingo;Their IRC is a sideshow
1152974;1433315958;mircea_popescu;they also sound pretty retarded.
1152975;1433315979;BingoBoingo;Happens with any broadly inclusive cause
1152976;1433315980;mircea_popescu;overeager young males with significant socialisation deficit.
1152977;1433315984;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1152978;1433316045;BingoBoingo;But on reddit they are nearly as popular as Bitcoin to within 2%
1152979;1433316067;mircea_popescu;lol mkay
1152980;1433316070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00034844 = 3.1011 BTC [+]
1152981;1433316082;mircea_popescu;and bottlecaps are more popular than sex.
1152982;1433316123;mircea_popescu;"Thin privilege is uploading a picture of yourself that takes under 1 minute to render"
1152983;1433316125;mircea_popescu;lmao
1152984;1433316206;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You have to understand since you left 'Murica it has only gotten heavier
1152985;1433316213;chetty;thin privilege? thats a parody I hope ...
1152986;1433316228;mircea_popescu;chetty your hopes are misplaced!
1152987;1433316237;BingoBoingo;chetty: We can wish, but reality...
1152988;1433316271;BingoBoingo;Orcs are always going to bitch about Elf priviledge
1152989;1433316290;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152707 << check out alf hating on teh ukrs.
1152990;1433316290;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:16:13; asciilifeform: Landgull: if they had learned to manufacture so much as an alarm clock, much less airplane or nuke, they would be somewhere on the road to where 'independence' is thinkable outside of a lunatic asylum
1152991;1433316325;*;punkman just saw two of the largest landwhales I've seen in a while... in one of those tiny Smart cars
1152992;1433316389;Landgull;Mircea: out of curiosity, wouldn't Romania be culturally closer to Ukraine than to the USA? I'm curious which of the two you would prefer to live in (or, for that matter, if there's a place that's better in your mind.)
1152993;1433316394;punkman;I don't know why fat people would buy that car, they didn't look comfortable at all.
1152994;1433316412;*;BingoBoingo hates Walmart's move to supercenter's last decade because it cemented scooty puff culture as a mainstream thing
1152995;1433316456;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152726 << no, actually, this is factual. "small russians".
1152996;1433316456;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:21:16; decimation: the idea that western ukraine exists as a separate race or language is hilarious
1152997;1433316511;mircea_popescu;Landgull romania is culturally close to things that no longer exist, not have existed for a long time. romanian is the closest thing to spoken latin still left around.
1152998;1433316546;mircea_popescu;i'll take ukrainian girls and usian machinery as it used to be and bid both let me be.
1152999;1433316581;Landgull;Sure, but given that we're still in meatspace, one does have to pick a corner of it, or at least a corner at any given time.
1153000;1433316668;mircea_popescu;aha
1153001;1433316765;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Kuban
1153002;1433316836;Landgull;I think the rise of the nation state has caused people to think that there are supposed to be hard lines between ethnicities and cultures.
1153003;1433316847;mircea_popescu;or vice-versa.
1153004;1433316922;Landgull;If a state of affairs is highly profitable for a minority at the expense of a majority, and is maintained via force, I tend to think it's not entirely self-organizing.
1153005;1433316941;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152740 << fun fact : the hutu massacre has its origins in the fact that belgian missionaries selectively raped gracile, lighter skinned girls for a century
1153006;1433316941;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:27:03; asciilifeform: rather than the anglo-created zoos they are
1153007;1433316959;mircea_popescu;which created, actually did create, an ethnic subset, with its own fenotypical and cultural particularities
1153008;1433316961;mircea_popescu;which got... reclaimed.
1153009;1433316997;mircea_popescu;Landgull as you age you'll notice that organizing anything is too much effort for most minorities, and in general what they do is try to ride waves, like flies plowing.
1153010;1433317035;mircea_popescu;a minority that actually organises its ascendancy over any majority is the supreme good.
1153011;1433317138;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152767 << he just does :D
1153012;1433317138;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:32:11; mats: why would you think that
1153013;1433317145;Landgull;So I take it you're a fan of the Assad government, then? Or the House of Saud?
1153014;1433317252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00034593 = 5.0679 BTC [-] {3} 
1153015;1433317402;mircea_popescu;me ? nope.
1153016;1433317405;Landgull;Both minority groups that organized their way to power by becoming useful as puppets to larger entities (RU and USA, respectively.) Arguably better than the mob that is trying to seize power, but then, that mob is mostly backed by the respective large entities anyway.
1153017;1433317439;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152762 << this recipe, if taken voluntarily and out of a love of freedom, leads to pashtunistan. a great place to make actual friends, a horrible place to live. or get laid.
1153018;1433317439;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:31:22; Landgull: Ascii: a kalashnikov in the hands of every resident would achieve the same thing.
1153019;1433317448;mircea_popescu;if taken up centrally directedly, it's north korea.
1153020;1433317474;mircea_popescu;Landgull where you got the idea that the saudites came to power serving the us ?
1153021;1433317494;Landgull;It's how they've solidified and maintained it.
1153022;1433317509;mircea_popescu;...
1153023;1433317519;mircea_popescu;next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan
1153024;1433317558;Landgull;So, what is Saudi oil priced in nowadays?
1153025;1433317571;mircea_popescu;historically, saudi kingdom was well established and independent back when wolves ate more people on the us east coast than people killed wolves. politically, the us has ~alkways~ been the bitch in the us-saudi relationship.
1153026;1433317592;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> next you're gonna tell me the us exists by serving tenochtitlan << Eric Holder's ATF did...
1153027;1433317602;mircea_popescu;you figure if al pacino makes a movie for new line cinema, nlc is doing HIM a favour by this ?
1153028;1433317639;Landgull;That only solidifies the argument that the House of Saud is a minority that came to power by will rather than by riding a wave.
1153029;1433317673;mircea_popescu;i don't see it.
1153030;1433317687;mircea_popescu;just, much larger waves in this world than the us.
1153031;1433317702;mircea_popescu;the golden crescent has its own centrifugal dynamics, what.
1153032;1433317712;BingoBoingo;Hell in Arabi Wahabism is bgger than USia as ISIL demonstrates
1153033;1433317740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27613 @ 0.00034847 = 9.6223 BTC [+] {2} 
1153034;1433317812;mircea_popescu;http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/ << the 2nd historical chick brigade...
1153035;1433317894;Landgull;If one recognizes the value of some asset, such as oil, and uses it to its fullest benefit to gain power, I'd find it hard to successfully argue that it's not a group coming to power by organizing its ascendency.
1153036;1433317917;mircea_popescu;except this situation only exists in sid meyer's "civilisation"
1153037;1433317932;BingoBoingo;And exists best in the sequel
1153038;1433318021;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152784 << welcome to the 101th state lol.
1153039;1433318021;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:35:14; mats: fun fact: an untrusted process can invoke ACPI control methods with arbitrary arguments.
1153040;1433318098;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152794 << ok, now you're being plain mean. if there's a broad group of women that are upright in that sense, it'd be the ukrs.
1153041;1433318098;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:37:26; asciilifeform: Landgull: get back to us re: the girls once you have $0
1153042;1433318126;Landgull;But what I mean is this: your argument is a non-form because the goal posts can always be shifted. If they have a strategic advantage of any sort, it can be claimed as a wave. Some strategic advantage will always exist. So the only way a minority can organize against a majority without "just riding a wave" is if they ignore all of their strategic advantages - which would make your supreme good exceedingly foolish. It's like say
1153043;1433318216;BingoBoingo;Dude's resigning https://bitbet.us/bet/1154/fifa-president-sepp-blatter-out-of-office-in/
1153044;1433318277;mircea_popescu;Landgull there's no hard and fast requirement that what happens is perceptible. this in the general. there's also no requirement that what is perceptible is perceptible to you (ie, any arbitrary agent). the expectation that you personally would understand what happened in x or y complex political situation is, to me, highly comedic.
1153045;1433318277;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that was fast.
1153046;1433318277;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, he press conferenced it.
1153047;1433318302;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152809 << you're married, aren't ya ? what guarantees.
1153048;1433318302;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:42:05; decimation: Landgull: seems like a high price to pay in terms of years of your life for very thin guarantees
1153049;1433318340;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152819 << ahahaha i nearly fell over.
1153050;1433318340;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 05:47:08; Landgull: I'd rather there were a safe, sane, stable country where I could go, build a business, and have a normal life, but that's not going to exist until btc finishes what it has started.
1153051;1433318344;mircea_popescu;go, build business.
1153052;1433318354;mircea_popescu;ah such lolg.
1153053;1433318404;BingoBoingo;!b 1
1153054;1433318405;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/320HM4T.txt )
1153055;1433318465;Landgull;Even if the cause is imperceptible, without some skill of maintenance everything crumbles in time. Which book is a best seller today is likely random and inscrutable, no book would be read 1,000 years after being written without skill.
1153056;1433318519;mircea_popescu;except very good books are lost and very bad books still read.
1153057;1433318557;Landgull;Sure, but if we were to be forced to place a bet on what would be read 1,000 years from now, my bet would go towards the good.
1153058;1433318565;mircea_popescu;whose good ?
1153059;1433318605;BingoBoingo;brb, naps
1153060;1433318608;Landgull;Yours.
1153061;1433318642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00033483 = 13.7783 BTC [-] {4} 
1153062;1433318666;mircea_popescu;forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions.
1153063;1433318685;mircea_popescu;so now... nobody would have disagreed at the time that his madonna whore complex is "wholesome" - their exact words.
1153064;1433318703;mircea_popescu;i struggle to find any value in any of his productions, and you certainly don't even know what they are.
1153065;1433318708;mircea_popescu;it's been... 70 years.
1153066;1433318763;mircea_popescu;meanwhile le chien andalou still stands, or to quote herr orwell... "Clearly, such people are undesirable, and a society in which they can flourish has something wrong with it."
1153067;1433318802;Landgull;Since you're right that I don't know who he is, I can't respond to that argument.
1153068;1433318815;Landgull;I do hate Lincoln more than any other US president, though.
1153069;1433318960;Landgull;Thank you for the debate - I concede the point and I'm off to run errands. I am, however, still waiting for someone to claim and argue for their corner of meatspace, instead of against mine (of the moment.)
1153070;1433320081;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152462 <<< catching chickens yet or what?
1153071;1433320081;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 03:39:14; BingoBoingo: In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May  be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus
1153072;1433320119;cazalla;if you can catch chickens, you can catch greased lightning
1153073;1433320533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00032729 = 6.9876 BTC [-] {2} 
1153074;1433324849;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152845 <<< i dunno man, whoever heard of tomatoes going bad after 2 days? (and i grow em every summer) maybe some chernobyl variety?
1153075;1433324849;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 06:04:14; Landgull: The reason tomatoes are pink instead of red is they're heterozygous for RIN, or ripening-inhibition gene to make them ship better.
1153076;1433324867;cazalla;oops wrong one http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152848
1153077;1433324867;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 06:05:18; Landgull: Well, they're still firm, because they're fresh. But you have to go to the market every day or two because the food goes bad quickly.
1153078;1433325718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26728 @ 0.0003487 = 9.3201 BTC [+]
1153079;1433325779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7996 @ 0.0003491 = 2.7914 BTC [+]
1153080;1433325962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00034564 = 11.6308 BTC [-] {2} 
1153081;1433326999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41219 @ 0.00034853 = 14.3661 BTC [+] {3} 
1153082;1433328280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00033606 = 20.9029 BTC [-] {3} 
1153083;1433330964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00034012 = 26.8185 BTC [+] {2} 
1153084;1433331391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00033157 = 10.8423 BTC [-] {2} 
1153085;1433332306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00034773 = 7.2328 BTC [+] {4} 
1153086;1433333160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5139 @ 0.00032436 = 1.6669 BTC [-] {2} 
1153087;1433333709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6296 @ 0.00033076 = 2.0825 BTC [+]
1153088;1433333892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18204 @ 0.00033076 = 6.0212 BTC [+]
1153089;1433334685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00032426 = 3.8911 BTC [-]
1153090;1433335112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0003248 = 4.8395 BTC [+]
1153091;1433337735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00032426 = 8.9496 BTC [-]
1153092;1433338040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0003246 = 4.3821 BTC [+]
1153093;1433339077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32770 @ 0.00032479 = 10.6434 BTC [+] {2} 
1153094;1433339317;mats;fun fact: creators of the BLE spec published it with known vulnerabilities, e.g: "None of the pairing methods provide protection against a passive eavedropper during the pairing process as predictable or easily established values for TK are used." (BLE Core 4.0, Vol.3, p604)
1153095;1433339503;jurov;BLE: Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers: BLE: Bilingual Education: BLE: Branch If Less or Equal: BLE: Bulletin de Littérature Ecclésiastique (French: Bulletin of Ecclesiastical Literature)
1153096;1433339509;jurov;?
1153097;1433339552;jurov;oh, prolly bluetooth stuff
1153098;1433339565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.0003248 = 3.0694 BTC [+]
1153099;1433339809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0003248 = 8.4123 BTC [+]
1153100;1433339864;mats;Bluetooth Low Energy
1153101;1433341517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00032496 = 7.4091 BTC [+] {2} 
1153102;1433342137;lobbes;thanks for dropping this in the logs, alf: http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/thematic_tutorials/numtheory_rsa.html
1153103;1433342197;lobbes;I'm finding it quite useful for understanding rsa fundamentals
1153104;1433342878;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1153105;1433342882;BingoBoingo;!up cosmo
1153106;1433343661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36414 @ 0.00034158 = 12.4383 BTC [+] {2} 
1153107;1433343722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11086 @ 0.00034346 = 3.8076 BTC [+]
1153108;1433343887;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally)
1153109;1433343887;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 06:12:05; mircea_popescu: in sadder news, a reasonably recent 8 core server is doing block verification at the rate of 28 seconds per.
1153110;1433343890;hanbot;!uo cosmo
1153111;1433343908;hanbot;kramer?
1153112;1433343911;hanbot;!up cosmo
1153113;1433343934;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152896 << greeks had culture
1153114;1433343934;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 06:40:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152507 << amusingly, the best pay for teaching greek was after the city collapsed
1153115;1433344056;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153001 << what happened here
1153116;1433344056;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 07:32:45; mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Kuban
1153117;1433344134;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ?
1153118;1433344134;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 08:04:26; mircea_popescu: forget the thousand, take the hundred. lazar meir, since we've discussed him earlier, had some very strange ideas about good, and constructed a very crazy united states. forcing a point it could be said that he is the architect of today's woes in the hinterlands, exactly like lincoln is the architect of the black poverty and racial tensions.
1153119;1433344210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29617 @ 0.00033335 = 9.8728 BTC [-]
1153120;1433344233;hanbot;cazalla, things go bad in the tropics like you wouldn't believe. i am half surprised to find dry folded clothes still there a few days later.
1153121;1433344728;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1153122;1433344859;scoopbot_revived;Dotcom Scores Victory Against Forfeiture in New Zealand Court http://qntra.net/2015/06/dotcom-scores-victory-against-forfeiture-in-new-zealand-court/
1153123;1433345168;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i didn't opt into the US legal regime either
1153124;1433345189;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Your parents did that for you.
1153125;1433345234;ben_vulpes;today in fiatderping news
1153126;1433345244;ben_vulpes;i am opening a "health savings account"
1153127;1433345261;ben_vulpes;they want me to scan in my passport and upload it to their secure portal.
1153128;1433345264;ben_vulpes;MHM SURE.
1153129;1433345294;BingoBoingo;lol
1153130;1433345301;ben_vulpes;just take the magic digits that identify me as a ("loyal") subject of the crown
1153131;1433345570;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/gallery/9CAfo
1153132;1433345759;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: what was this
1153133;1433345778;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: The FBI's plane flying in circle company
1153134;1433345784;ascii_field;l0l
1153135;1433345813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00033107 = 5.0488 BTC [-]
1153136;1433345874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00033964 = 9.1703 BTC [+] {2} 
1153137;1433346148;*;BingoBoingo surprised they didn't call it "Circle" but they wasted that name on financial surveillance
1153138;1433346179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00033801 = 1.876 BTC [-]
1153139;1433346202;punkman;heh
1153140;1433346560;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1153141;1433346975;mod6;Update: v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphange Amputation } is up to block: 344679
1153142;1433347013;mod6;Also, eulora v0.1.0 running in ubuntu 14.04 :]
1153143;1433347030;mod6;Thanks to chetty & jurov!
1153144;1433347338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00034024 = 4.8855 BTC [+]
1153145;1433347604;BingoBoingo;!up liquidassets
1153146;1433347658;liquidassets;Looks like coinbase is starting to make their fork from bitcoin
1153147;1433347681;BingoBoingo;Oh?
1153148;1433347688;shinohai;Are they switching to XT ?
1153149;1433347694;liquidassets;received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship
1153150;1433347704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00034909 = 12.7767 BTC [+] {4} 
1153151;1433347734;liquidassets;They're definitely starting to get nervous as investment demand grows
1153152;1433347926;jurov;how is that related to btc fork?
1153153;1433347957;liquidassets;it's inevitable
1153154;1433347990;liquidassets;\they're going to be payment processors for their merchants and consumers
1153155;1433348017;liquidassets;they're not going to provide liquidity for the investment crowd
1153156;1433348182;liquidassets;it seems I've lost my ability to easily turn btc into cash. Not that I didn't anticipate this eventually happening
1153157;1433348183;scoopbot_revived;NYDFS Announces Final Bitlicense Rules http://qntra.net/2015/06/nydfs-announces-final-bitlicense-rules/
1153158;1433348262;danielpbarron;oh, i was gonna ask what kind of customer you are to them
1153159;1433348269;danielpbarron;you're doing the opposite thing i'm doing
1153160;1433348279;liquidassets;Sure of course
1153161;1433348285;liquidassets;so I"m pretty careful by nature
1153162;1433348303;danielpbarron;i have no trouble selling bitcoin for USD; i need coinbase to easily get bitcoin
1153163;1433348327;liquidassets;I buy my btc through them
1153164;1433348336;liquidassets;as I have slowly since Nov. 2013
1153165;1433348355;danielpbarron;ah, then my termination email is probably on its way as well :/
1153166;1433348361;danielpbarron;i hope they at least finish my pending stuff
1153167;1433348365;liquidassets;once I learned how to set up my own wallets I started taking them back
1153168;1433348393;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1153169;1433348410;liquidassets;sometimes I buy a few small things using their interface like a trezor or mycelium entropy
1153170;1433348432;liquidassets;made a larger sized investment recently, which seems to have triggered it
1153171;1433348448;liquidassets;pulled about $20K bezzlebucks from ameritrade account
1153172;1433348479;danielpbarron;oh phew, that's more than I've done total probably
1153173;1433348480;ascii_field;l0l, rich people problems
1153174;1433348489;liquidassets;transferred to my coinbase account and bought about 80 btc
1153175;1433348517;danielpbarron;did you get the 80 coins?
1153176;1433348533;liquidassets;they're still sitting there in my "vault"
1153177;1433348540;danielpbarron;what does that mean
1153178;1433348545;danielpbarron;do you have the private key or not
1153179;1433348548;liquidassets;I wanted to come here and tell you guys, also updated my twitter
1153180;1433348559;mats;lol
1153181;1433348567;mats;do go on
1153182;1433348571;liquidassets;No i don't have my private keys from coinbase
1153183;1433348579;danielpbarron;oh then you didn't get it yet :/
1153184;1433348587;danielpbarron;withdraw!
1153185;1433348650;liquidassets;that's what she said...yes sir
1153186;1433348662;ascii_field;why would anyone let btc sit in a 'gox' for a millisecond longer than necessary ?
1153187;1433348759;lobbes;^ I get paranoid with .25 sitting somewhere outside my control, can't imagine 80 BTC O.o
1153188;1433348764;mike_c;I used to use it as a hot wallet.  keep a bit there for access from anywhere.  never more than i was willing to lose
1153189;1433349093;mats;that was so much better than i expected
1153190;1433349157;jurov;looks like imma put hefty premium on my btc dealings with americans :D
1153191;1433349230;liquidassets;that sux, oh well
1153192;1433349246;liquidassets;not like we're ground zero on this political fight
1153193;1433349647;BingoBoingo;!up liquidassets
1153194;1433349660;BingoBoingo;Of course, we're ground 3
1153195;1433349674;BingoBoingo;Infinitely more grounds than zero
1153196;1433349712;liquidassets;I guess I don't know what jurov means by that, I still have pride as an American
1153197;1433349721;liquidassets;ground 3?
1153198;1433349740;fluffypony;gay pride?
1153199;1433349786;liquidassets;lol, sure fluffypony gay pride
1153200;1433349843;liquidassets;what is a measure of a country? mircea_popescu around?
1153201;1433349858;trinque;eh, it had a good run, but the golden age is long since past and was far too short
1153202;1433349866;trinque;hm, nevermind, that's not even a good run
1153203;1433349900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25756 @ 0.00034149 = 8.7954 BTC [-]
1153204;1433350082;jurov;heh i meant if it's so hard to get btc, set higher sell price
1153205;1433350083;liquidassets;It was a Hollywood movie for sure
1153206;1433350112;liquidassets;I could probably get btc no problem...plenty of ganja dealers trying to offload
1153207;1433350185;liquidassets;It feels like now I"m dealing with drug dealers, whereas before I didn't have to
1153208;1433350239;liquidassets;but then again, that is why I"m here...for the WoT
1153209;1433350319;liquidassets;I'd still like to have a bank, but the WoT seems very powerful, unstopable.
1153210;1433350340;liquidassets;;;gettrust liquidassets
1153211;1433350341;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=liquidassets | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=liquidassets | Rated since: never
1153212;1433350347;lobbes;!gettrust liquidassets
1153213;1433350347;assbot;Trust relationship from user lobbes to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=lobbes&to=liquidassets | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/liquidassets/
1153214;1433350360;liquidassets;!h
1153215;1433350360;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1153216;1433350372;mats;you should walk away if the other person indicates criminal intent
1153217;1433350412;mats;generally, anyway.
1153218;1433350426;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1153219;1433350460;liquidassets;Ha! how would they indicate? not if they're a very good drug dealer
1153220;1433350475;ascii_field;liquidassets: traditional usg entrapment op
1153221;1433350488;liquidassets;exactly, unsavory
1153222;1433350508;liquidassets;thing is, as it stands, I have to outright AVOID it
1153223;1433350550;liquidassets;everyday I play this, I know that you know that I know that you know bullshit
1153224;1433350784;liquidassets;this entire area's economy, where I'm at, mostly has been sustained through lots of liquidtide with bleach
1153225;1433350917;liquidassets;!UP liquidassets
1153226;1433350998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 105 @ 0.0162 = 1.701 BTC [+]
1153227;1433351148;thestringpuller;!t h rent
1153228;1433351149;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.01620000 / 0.0162 / 0.01620000 (125 shares, 2.02500000 BTC), 7D: 0.01450002 / 0.01570442 / 0.01699900 (448 shares, 7.03558160 BTC), 30D: 0.01450002 / 0.01630866 / 0.01700000 (1298 shares, 21.16864560 BTC)
1153229;1433351598;danielpbarron;!up liquidassets   weird that you get your bitcoin *from* the drug dealers and not the other way around
1153230;1433351622;danielpbarron;that means their customers are paying in bitcoin?  I know the typical drug user and they don't have any bitcoin
1153231;1433351655;danielpbarron;makes more sense that the dealers want to *get* the bitcoin as a way to deal with some of their undocumented wealth
1153232;1433351656;liquidassets;I've ONLY got my bitcoin from Coinbase and maybe a few hundred thousand satoshi from mycelium deals
1153233;1433351686;ascii_field;mycelium deals ?
1153234;1433351701;liquidassets;danielpbarron it was a unique situation here where there were a few dealers who were holding lots of btc from sr
1153235;1433351712;danielpbarron;and you met them in person.. ??
1153236;1433351731;liquidassets;No someone from my meat wot
1153237;1433351738;chetty;fyi, 3 people online at eulora :)
1153238;1433351751;liquidassets;ascii_field have you seen the mycelium app?
1153239;1433351778;ascii_field;!s mycelium
1153240;1433351779;assbot;65 results for 'mycelium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mycelium
1153241;1433351792;liquidassets;it allows you to trade in person. You can post ads whether you're interested in buying or selling btc
1153242;1433351800;danielpbarron;isn't it like the uber of bitcoin trading?
1153243;1433351821;liquidassets;what mycellium danielpbarron?
1153244;1433351825;danielpbarron;yeh
1153245;1433351838;danielpbarron;iphone app where anyone can be an exchange
1153246;1433351868;liquidassets;I suppose it is for me now
1153247;1433351893;danielpbarron;i wouldn't deal with anyone outside my WoT at this point
1153248;1433351911;liquidassets;which is fine, I don't sell much of any btc anyway, but investment creates liquidity and liquidity creates value
1153249;1433351943;liquidassets;I have no WoT lol
1153250;1433351948;liquidassets;;;gettrust liquidassets
1153251;1433351949;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=liquidassets | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=liquidassets | Rated since: never
1153252;1433351955;chetty;you are here ----
1153253;1433351979;chetty;hang around, participate :)
1153254;1433351982;danielpbarron;i don't mean strictly limited to what assbot tracks
1153255;1433351983;ascii_field;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/317tys/psa_warning_mycelium_for_ios_read << l0l, loses wallets ?
1153256;1433352043;danielpbarron;although there is some overlap
1153257;1433352043;liquidassets;danielpbarron have you read gpg contracts? fascinating
1153258;1433352043;danielpbarron;yes
1153259;1433352043;danielpbarron;i use them all the time
1153260;1433352127;liquidassets;chetty 7 months in :) reading logs, happy to be here
1153261;1433352307;liquidassets;danielpbarron It seems I'm only in a position to lead, there are no equals around me to be in my WoT, maybe 1 or 2 people tops
1153262;1433352311;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1153263;1433352352;liquidassets;danielpbarron as far as I'm aware there is assbot and there is meatwot, am I missing others?
1153264;1433352357;shinohai;Don't feel bad liquidassets, I haz none either :/
1153265;1433352396;shinohai;;;gettrust shinohai
1153266;1433352397;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user shinohai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=shinohai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=shinohai | Rated since: Tue Apr  7 10:13:45 2015
1153267;1433352430;liquidassets;shinohai https://youtu.be/22QYriWAF-U
1153268;1433352490;danielpbarron;it's !gettrust
1153269;1433352490;shinohai;lol
1153270;1433352490;danielpbarron;gribble is yet another WoT
1153271;1433352490;trinque;nobody gives out "new blood" anymore?
1153272;1433352490;shinohai;Oh i know, I was calling to gribble, forgot to clarify xD
1153273;1433352490;trinque;liquidassets: shinohai: register keys
1153274;1433352494;danielpbarron;they did
1153275;1433352498;danielpbarron;i rated shinohai
1153276;1433352501;trinque;ah, cool
1153277;1433352502;shinohai;!gettrust
1153278;1433352502;assbot;You need to specify one (or two) nicks.
1153279;1433352512;shinohai;Yeah danielpbarron rated me
1153280;1433352513;liquidassets;they should be there trinque
1153281;1433352552;trinque;!gettrust liquidassets
1153282;1433352552;assbot;Trust relationship from user trinque to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=liquidassets | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/liquidassets/
1153283;1433352574;trinque;!rate liquidassets 1 new blood
1153284;1433352574;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ef4a5033cfcff767
1153285;1433352603;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.liquidassets.1:7547f5e26af005e8111840cb2aab25507ef2ee4017db44416f952643d0242f6c
1153286;1433352604;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for liquidassets with note: new blood
1153287;1433352606;liquidassets;been waiting for that, thanks trinque
1153288;1433352608;danielpbarron;heh
1153289;1433352613;trinque;easy come easy go, as they say
1153290;1433352634;liquidassets;ha hay, ok I'll remember that
1153291;1433352648;shinohai;So who was it that had those mp cult t-shirts
1153292;1433352873;ascii_field;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/288C257808D1EDC5CC8AEDE447AF8D1DB224D1C23F309C2A7E06D46F7E6B087F
1153293;1433352933;mircea_popescu;another 29 huh.
1153294;1433352940;mircea_popescu;you really should poison the P with first 10k primes or something.
1153295;1433352951;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: thought about doing that
1153296;1433352953;ascii_field;not hard
1153297;1433352958;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1153298;1433352960;ascii_field;it'll be in the next update.
1153299;1433352976;mircea_popescu;kinda what my "universal keys" idea was trying to do, for "well chosen" so to speak small primes.
1153300;1433352987;mircea_popescu;but really there's no excuse not to have the small ones in.
1153301;1433352992;ascii_field;also interesting would be last 10,000 primes.
1153302;1433353006;ascii_field;(within 2^2048 bound, say)
1153303;1433353009;mircea_popescu;which incidentally is not THAT hard to compute
1153304;1433353014;ascii_field;aha
1153305;1433353055;mircea_popescu;ascii_field listen, can you add a json for the stats which outputs url of newest found pore ?
1153306;1433353063;mircea_popescu;then we can get will dunne to add it to scoopbot.
1153307;1433353069;ascii_field;hm good idea
1153308;1433353079;*;ascii_field will have to actually look up how this works
1153309;1433353114;ascii_field;this is literally the only working www gizmo i ever wrote
1153310;1433353128;trinque;heh! lucky you
1153311;1433353147;mircea_popescu;trinque i read his stuff for curiosity, i was so wtf'd. "this doesn't look like www code..."
1153312;1433353170;trinque;better if he doesn't absorb the braindamage
1153313;1433353177;ascii_field;it was written in great haste, and a little crufty, yes
1153314;1433353187;ascii_field;could easily be half as long
1153315;1433353201;trinque;I'm busy crafting a shit-spelunking suit out of parenscript for future web endeavors
1153316;1433353227;mircea_popescu;my mental notes were more on the lines of "o look, it's clear that the author understands what his code does" and "o look, there's actually a reason for this stuff to be here"
1153317;1433353276;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what else have you been reading, for contrast? winblows src ?
1153318;1433353309;trinque;mircea_popescu: yes, most web code looks like a venezuelan shanty town, parts scrounged from all over, haphazardly bolted or taped in
1153319;1433353336;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ^
1153320;1433353375;trinque;I'm convinced 99% of the industry does not actually know how to code
1153321;1433353376;BingoBoingo;And that is the beter web code
1153322;1433353384;trinque;just knows how to stack overflow and pip install
1153323;1433353384;mircea_popescu;"it works" "can you explain why or how ?" "above my pay grade, i just paste stuff and hit f9"
1153324;1433353395;ascii_field;ah, those.
1153325;1433353403;*;ascii_field has very limited direct exposure to those
1153326;1433353403;ben_vulpes;˘source of what?
1153327;1433353423;mircea_popescu;we complain about the meagre attempts at natural language shanonizing , but what of the poor computers ?
1153328;1433353427;ben_vulpes;oh le scoop?
1153329;1433353514;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1153330;1433353560;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153108 << atm what they're offering is "software updates" that "speed it up" by... not doing it anymore.
1153331;1433353560;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 15:04:47; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152859 << wait till they offer hardware accelerators (sold to usg catamites only, naturally)
1153332;1433353563;mircea_popescu;very usglike.
1153333;1433353595;mircea_popescu;"increase your verification speed tenfold by only checking one block in ten!!1 how to make money renting out the space inside your nose!" etc
1153334;1433353667;ascii_field;ahahaha headers-only sync
1153335;1433353718;ascii_field;for some reason i inescapably think of those chinese thumb drives with terabytes of space (how? just loops around a 128M thing)
1153336;1433353726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00035049 = 9.6385 BTC [-]
1153337;1433353731;mircea_popescu;the "after block x only sync because gavin has said magics about block x" is NOT much better.
1153338;1433353742;mircea_popescu;it's just a rougher implementation of the "verify 1 in x" concept.
1153339;1433353835;mircea_popescu;and i will note that the 28 seconds figure is merely an average - plenty of blocks actually do take minutes to check.
1153340;1433353848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3963 @ 0.00035106 = 1.3913 BTC [+]
1153341;1433353853;mircea_popescu;for that matter, a maximal 1MB block should be designed and tested against on a variety of systems just to see.
1153342;1433353907;mircea_popescu;but i suspect that common hardware takes well over two minutes to verify a 1mb block full of txn, which is to say 1500 or so of them.
1153343;1433353936;ascii_field;one more reason to bake the thing into hardware
1153344;1433353952;mircea_popescu;(if you do the math, 100 ms for a full bitcoin sig check thing is about where it is)
1153345;1433353981;ascii_field;btw, sig-checking parallelizes
1153346;1433353982;mircea_popescu;ascii_field baking the thing into the hardware is exactly equal to import usg.h
1153347;1433353988;ascii_field;(not in the idiot bitcoind, no. but mathematically)
1153348;1433354003;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes, but this is the most delicate part of the chicken's spleen.
1153349;1433354024;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ecdsa in particular ?
1153350;1433354035;mircea_popescu;just, doing it without fucking anything up.
1153351;1433354061;*;ascii_field doesn't grasp why mircea_popescu thinks this to be hard
1153352;1433354067;mircea_popescu;worst case scenario here being where you get it 99.9999% right, and then everyone thinks you got it,
1153353;1433354077;mircea_popescu;and then two yerars later 0.00001% happens and the chain is split.
1153354;1433354137;ascii_field;as if we had anything like certainty that the chain is not splittable -now-
1153355;1433354151;ascii_field;between 0.5.3 and 0.8+ say
1153356;1433354151;mircea_popescu;we have five year's live testing :D
1153357;1433354176;ben_vulpes;i don't think further splits are avoidable
1153358;1433354179;mircea_popescu;eh, 0.8+ is the kindergarten. if it splits the total loss is ~= two fatties and a stray dog.
1153359;1433354218;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the idea is to try and avoid splits in the actual codebase.
1153360;1433354317;ben_vulpes;(unrelated: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid)
1153361;1433354377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00035337 = 5.2299 BTC [+]
1153362;1433354377;ben_vulpes;(communisticism!)
1153363;1433354377;ben_vulpes;i too miss titlebot
1153364;1433354386;ben_vulpes;it provided a nice indexing of links
1153365;1433354391;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1153366;1433354405;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: where did it go? somehow i missed this
1153367;1433354436;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla and williamdunne had a slapfight over titles
1153368;1433354441;ben_vulpes;kako turned them off
1153369;1433354455;ascii_field;why?!
1153370;1433354483;mircea_popescu;"This isn't an accident: I have intentionally adjusted my teaching materials as the political winds have shifted. (I also make sure all my remotely offensive or challenging opinions, such as this article, are expressed either anonymously or pseudonymously)."
1153371;1433354484;ben_vulpes;ask him, not me.
1153372;1433354489;punkman;iirc title proxy server died
1153373;1433354500;mircea_popescu;lol ok. /me fails to manage to care, or summon any respect or interest, for the opinions of poltrons.
1153374;1433354543;ben_vulpes;"All the old, enlightened means of discussion and analysis —from due process to scientific method — are dismissed as being blind to emotional concerns and therefore unfairly skewed toward the interest of straight white males."
1153375;1433354549;mircea_popescu;yeh titlebot!
1153376;1433354636;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in particular i find this schmuck objectionable, and quite worthy of everything coming to him, because much like the thief who's not one bit sorry he stole, and terribly terribly sorry he got caught,
1153377;1433354661;mircea_popescu;his objection entirely reduces to "hey libertards, wasn't it great back when we were opressing the conservatives, you know, those rednecks *rolleyes*
1153378;1433354667;mircea_popescu;instead of now when we're fucking each other in the ass ???"
1153379;1433354687;mircea_popescu;o yeah, totally worthy of intellectual sympathy this, trotksy raped by stalin's gonna get all my walmart cards.
1153380;1433354774;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1153381;1433354774;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0SZ7EYJ.txt )
1153382;1433354807;mircea_popescu;they didn't seem to care all that much about "discussion and analysis" or "due process" or "scientific method" back when those were pointing and laughing at their idiocy, from global warming to fad cures to the whole heap of dumb they live in. but now, suddenly... they wish to be saved by the icons of some sort of wisdom that they never had anything to do with, not anymore than the pigeons shitting on statues are part
1153383;1433354808;mircea_popescu;of marbled antiquity at any rate.
1153384;1433354872;mircea_popescu;the fate of the us libertard is ~exactly~ what it was going to be, except fifty years ago they laughed at "o that could never happen" with all the imberbity of idiocy, and today they're all "nobody could have foreseen"
1153385;1433354894;mircea_popescu;i hope he gets fucking burned at the stake, for his guild - the greatest guilt that there can be - choosing to be a cog in the wrong machine.
1153386;1433354912;mircea_popescu;hitler at least was wrong. this guy - he's the pinnacle of evil, unredeemable and unworthy of redemption.
1153387;1433355292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64550 @ 0.0003462 = 22.3472 BTC [-] {3} 
1153388;1433355573;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153117 << that is a particularly inapt characterisation of the fellow.
1153389;1433355573;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 15:08:54; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153062 << what ideas did he have, other than liking the smell of money ?
1153390;1433355596;mircea_popescu;he was a congress poland jew, fully imbued of the entire "messiah will come if we garden the shit out of this world" stuff that resulted in the gassings
1153391;1433355610;ascii_field;'tikkun olam' (TM) ?
1153392;1433355637;mircea_popescu;(yes dear chitlins, there is deep philosophical disagreement behind the entire jew massacre - it's not the conveniently packaged "acts of an unhinged mind". german idealism and jewish materialism clashed, and the jews lost.)
1153393;1433355664;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the grandfather of that.
1153394;1433355686;ascii_field;afaik that's what they actually called the doctrine
1153395;1433355703;mircea_popescu;at any rate, the guy's notions of HOW EXACTLY one'd go about fixing the world are what's at issue. much like a large swath of reform retards - in both judaic sects, xtianity and mainstream - he was the mechanicist persuasion.
1153396;1433355713;ascii_field;'repair the world'
1153397;1433355722;mircea_popescu;which is to say - do not swear, spit or ejaculate insite , go to heaven.
1153398;1433355813;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you have to understand : the phrase as such is mostly used as a certain jew-libertard term of art.
1153399;1433355829;mircea_popescu;it existed, with a slightly different intension, in medieval kabbalism
1153400;1433355831;ascii_field;iirc it goes back to 16th c.
1153401;1433355846;*;ascii_field not expert
1153402;1433355848;mircea_popescu;but the concept that informs herr meir is one node up from the medievalist thing as noted
1153403;1433355852;mircea_popescu;which is why i said "grandfather"
1153404;1433356024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00035338 = 18.8705 BTC [+] {2} 
1153405;1433356235;mircea_popescu;in any case, hollywood pre meyer is https://cinenthusiast.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joan-blondell.jpg and the molls. post-meyer it's "angels with dirty faces" and "You're Andy Hardy! You're the United States! You're the Stars and Stripes. Behave yourself! You're a symbol!" and then everybody loves raymond and... "to our current period of time"
1153406;1433356295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10925 @ 0.00034493 = 3.7684 BTC [-] {2} 
1153407;1433356366;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1153408;1433356468;trinque;hm I'm starting to consider an in-wot paid IRC host
1153409;1433356473;trinque;for those without bouncers
1153410;1433356496;mircea_popescu;can't hurt.
1153411;1433356580;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153127 << what could possibru go wrong.
1153412;1433356580;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 15:27:41; ben_vulpes: they want me to scan in my passport and upload it to their secure portal.
1153413;1433356700;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153149 < lol you had a banking relationship ?
1153414;1433356700;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 16:08:14; liquidassets: received an email today that they have decided to sever our banking relationship
1153415;1433356709;mircea_popescu;you being the bank, i presume ? as they... aren't ?
1153416;1433356752;mike_c;my fking computer just died.. couple pops and started belching big smelly clouds of smoke.
1153417;1433356755;liquidassets;I suppose in my own mind..?
1153418;1433356759;mircea_popescu;ftr, i didn't follow the logic of that entire conversation.
1153419;1433356767;mircea_popescu;mike_c what srsly ?
1153420;1433356774;mike_c;yeah, never had that happen before.
1153421;1433356781;mircea_popescu;80% it's the power supply
1153422;1433356783;mike_c;i guess the power supply went bad..
1153423;1433356797;mircea_popescu;anyway, air that shit out. it's toxic.
1153424;1433356801;mike_c;no visible damage to anything, so can't imagine it was a hard drive, and it was a lot of smoke
1153425;1433356813;mike_c;really? great.
1153426;1433356819;mircea_popescu;o shit, the old days when drives actually had mechanical failures of the mechanical sort.
1153427;1433356828;mircea_popescu;like busted wheels. with dented casings and whatnot
1153428;1433356847;mircea_popescu;if anyone wonders why the 20mb maxtors were encased in fucking steel armor... well...
1153429;1433356851;liquidassets;If I buy my bitcoin from coinbase then it follows that they'll allow me to sell to them and deposit dollars into my bank account
1153430;1433356872;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153368 < false, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143760
1153431;1433356872;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 18:00:41; ben_vulpes: kako turned them off
1153432;1433356872;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 18:06:39; kakobrekla: thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers
1153433;1433356894;mircea_popescu;oh is this because when i had to move server ?
1153434;1433356908;mircea_popescu;wouldja rather dig into fixing it or just have scoopbot do it kakobrekla ?
1153435;1433356922;kakobrekla;moved server, broke log1, made log2 work then it went broken with varnish
1153436;1433356982;kakobrekla;fix log1 and titles will work
1153437;1433357004;mircea_popescu;hm.
1153438;1433357019;mircea_popescu;how's the "Broken with varnish" thing go, i didn't actually keep that thing
1153439;1433357044;thestringpuller;liquidassets: if you buy from coinbase you end up on like 5-6 different watch lists
1153440;1433357060;thestringpuller;and if you sell to coinbase the local LE shows up at your door
1153441;1433357080;liquidassets;I anticipated that, we all are as Americans
1153442;1433357094;mircea_popescu; "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" ahahaha that's rich. incidentally - it's how england became a dutch colony, they "deemed the king to have abdicated by fleeing"
1153443;1433357096;kakobrekla;well, "Apr 28 16:33:36 <mircea_popescu>yes varnishing brb"
1153444;1433357100;liquidassets;that's fine, watch me, is my response
1153445;1433357108;kakobrekla;that was while i was working on log1 and thats the last i heard from you.
1153446;1433357146;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla oh i'm sorry. service was briefly interrupted because the fucking beast kept needing apache restarted. but i'm done fucking with it.
1153447;1433357159;mircea_popescu;was done that same day, apparently failed to properly announce ?
1153448;1433357163;liquidassets;Everything is sourced I'm not the one ML
1153449;1433357210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83982 @ 0.00035436 = 29.7599 BTC [+] {4} 
1153450;1433357224;liquidassets;mircea_popescu question directed at me?
1153451;1433357244;mircea_popescu;nope.
1153452;1433357271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68661 @ 0.00035203 = 24.1707 BTC [-] {6} 
1153453;1433357341;kakobrekla;ill look into in a tad later.
1153454;1433357367;liquidassets;thestringpuller I don't want to care about it anymore, I just want to document
1153455;1433357473;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153190 << poor guys.
1153456;1433357473;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 16:32:37; jurov: looks like imma put hefty premium on my btc dealings with americans :D
1153457;1433357490;mircea_popescu;like the soviets in the 80s, turks sold them all sorts of banal shit at 130-150% because ...
1153458;1433357530;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153200 << how exactly is the us "a country" ? is this from the obama "country of africa" doctrine ?
1153459;1433357530;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 16:44:03; liquidassets: what is a measure of a country? mircea_popescu around?
1153460;1433357616;liquidassets;I don't follow, is that a slight because his ancestry is closer to africa than yours, or are you arguing that he wasn't born in the United States?
1153461;1433357642;mircea_popescu;i am saying that one should have to be about as clueless as obama to imagine the us a country. how is it a country ?
1153462;1433357675;mircea_popescu;it's about as much a country as the soviet union would have been, if it were run by quisling.
1153463;1433357706;liquidassets;I don't know, it FEELS like a country to me, has boarders, armies, laws etc..
1153464;1433357716;mircea_popescu;aha. so maybe it's really a cock
1153465;1433357721;mircea_popescu;it FEELS like a cock to plenty of people.
1153466;1433357728;liquidassets;yea but who's cock?
1153467;1433357739;mircea_popescu;africa's, apparently.
1153468;1433357743;liquidassets;LOL
1153469;1433357778;liquidassets;doubtful
1153470;1433357806;liquidassets;so there are scales of countries? mircea_popescu
1153471;1433357886;mircea_popescu;if you're gonna call something a country, you'd best have a definition of what that means. apparently your definition's all feeling, in which case... what's to say.
1153472;1433357926;mircea_popescu;you can feel anything you feel like.
1153473;1433357932;liquidassets;So please mircea_popescu define it for me
1153474;1433357980;liquidassets;I mean it's where I was born, there's politics and rules which seem to change or evolve over time
1153475;1433358003;liquidassets;there's the constitution and bill of rights, we have the dominate world reserve money supply
1153476;1433358004;mircea_popescu;you mean, United States the Maternity Hospital, as in country ?
1153477;1433358015;chetty;liquidassets, or lately its more like overnight
1153478;1433358041;mircea_popescu;qhahaha what!
1153479;1433358061;mircea_popescu;so wait, "we" do ? are you sure the people holding the money are aware you're including yourself ? got a license for it ?
1153480;1433358079;liquidassets;We have our constitution interpreted by supreme court laws..
1153481;1433358080;mircea_popescu;and moreover, bitcoin's the dominant word word money word, whatever you mean by those.
1153482;1433358099;liquidassets;When I use the word "we" I mean, I cannot remove myself as a US Citizen
1153483;1433358114;liquidassets;fuck yea mircea_popescu I'm with you on that
1153484;1433358129;mircea_popescu;my clothes have a bank account. inasmuch as they can't get off me and i have a bank account :D
1153485;1433358189;liquidassets;mircea_popescu yea which is why my next "moves" are to be determined
1153486;1433358269;chetty;you can stop admitting it liquidassets , I claim everything but when I can :)
1153487;1433358291;liquidassets;mircea_popescu are you saying that you need a license to hold money?
1153488;1433358324;mircea_popescu;i am saying that while some people in the us have some money, your association with them seems tenuous. it's always a good idea to ask THEM if they feel "we" towards you. obviously you feel "we" towards them.
1153489;1433358342;mircea_popescu;what exactly has yellen done to make you think it's a "we" ?
1153490;1433358364;liquidassets;mircea_popescu I am TAXED
1153491;1433358379;mircea_popescu;so is the sheep.
1153492;1433358399;mircea_popescu;"we the sheep herd" ?
1153493;1433358406;trinque;"wait, there's a hierarchy in the USA? surely not!"
1153494;1433358424;*;trinque admits that this struck him far later in life than it ought
1153495;1433358484;mircea_popescu;trinque kinda hard to see past all the schoolyard verbiage and the "requests for public comment" and whatnot.
1153496;1433358526;mircea_popescu;or, to quote mayer again, "Listen to me! I don't care what you do in private. Just don't do it in public. In public, behave. Your fans expect it."
1153497;1433358527;liquidassets;Definitely a hierarchy in the US but until I get to lizard hitler I will be unsatisfied
1153498;1433358600;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153237 << win.
1153499;1433358600;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 17:15:38; chetty: fyi, 3 people online at eulora :)
1153500;1433358628;mircea_popescu;liquidassets who are ye anyway ?
1153501;1433358680;liquidassets;an individual on the internet
1153502;1433358699;liquidassets;salesman by trade
1153503;1433358724;liquidassets;I deal propertay
1153504;1433358734;mircea_popescu;mmmkay...
1153505;1433358796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00035063 = 25.3505 BTC [-] {2} 
1153506;1433358878;liquidassets;you don't seem satisfied...I don't know mircea_popescu I don't know what I am,,ok?
1153507;1433358894;mircea_popescu;ok.
1153508;1433358920;mircea_popescu;i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.
1153509;1433358948;mircea_popescu;they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.
1153510;1433358963;liquidassets;I guess I can be a lot of things, who I am is kind of a mystery,, at least to me
1153511;1433358968;mircea_popescu;right.
1153512;1433359009;liquidassets;;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent, powerful.
1153513;1433359010;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1153514;1433359101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109168 @ 0.00033813 = 36.913 BTC [-] {5} 
1153515;1433359163;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153291 << actually... this is an idea...
1153516;1433359163;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 17:30:48; shinohai: So who was it that had those mp cult t-shirts
1153517;1433359168;mircea_popescu;i'm gonna send one to my mother!
1153518;1433359174;mircea_popescu;who had made the things ?
1153519;1433359208;shinohai;I want one. The world needs a good cult to fight r/bitcoin, and you *do* look interesting on a shirt.
1153520;1433359258;mircea_popescu;shinohai there's also http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/
1153521;1433359416;shinohai;The cute bonus is very nice.
1153522;1433359608;nubbins`;thanks, i generally don't take photos w/ it tucked anymore
1153523;1433359614;nubbins`;but figured i'd make an exception
1153524;1433359754;mircea_popescu;lawl
1153525;1433359761;liquidassets;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153509 <<like,, I say "my name" and the heavens open up?
1153526;1433359761;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:48; mircea_popescu: they get their father's name and something their mother picked, this is meaningful in a country and meaningless in a prison.
1153527;1433359777;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat.
1153528;1433359798;liquidassets;Ha ha ok,, sweet
1153529;1433359966;mircea_popescu;!up shout-user91
1153530;1433359989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00032844 = 27.3755 BTC [-]
1153531;1433360441;lobbes;<shinohai> ..and you *do* look interesting on a shirt. << move over, che guevara
1153532;1433360477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20182 @ 0.00032844 = 6.6286 BTC [-]
1153533;1433360543;liquidassets;before I take off for the day, can anyone share how you authenticate, so as to produce a rating?
1153534;1433360622;lobbes;!h
1153535;1433360622;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1153536;1433360722;lobbes;if you have upped yourself, then you are already 'authed' enough to leave a rating
1153537;1433360797;liquidassets;;;rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com, Consistent.
1153538;1433360798;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1153539;1433360809;lobbes;still must decrypt OTP from assbot for the rating however
1153540;1433360813;liquidassets;lobbes didn't return a otp
1153541;1433360818;lobbes;also, try '!'
1153542;1433360823;lobbes;not ";;"
1153543;1433360847;liquidassets;!rate mircea_popescu 2 GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent.
1153544;1433360848;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6db4cdcd5e0bc8f7
1153545;1433360920;trinque;liquidassets: ;; is gribble, ! is assbot
1153546;1433360930;liquidassets;assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881
1153547;1433360936;trinque;liquidassets: stick a !v in front
1153548;1433360950;liquidassets;!v assbot:liquidassets.rate.mircea_popescu.2:b30375d51d7913085960b892b1cb8f818bd3168c05ea19399cecc93977a75881
1153549;1433360950;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: GPG contracts and wants to know where the fuck 100 satoshi went. Trilema.com Consistent.
1153550;1433360965;liquidassets;ty
1153551;1433361122;liquidassets;Have a great day #b-a see y'all next time
1153552;1433361150;trinque;adios
1153553;1433361331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53582 @ 0.00035685 = 19.1207 BTC [+] {3} 
1153554;1433361697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00032748 = 10.4302 BTC [-] {2} 
1153555;1433362368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00032498 = 9.3269 BTC [-] {3} 
1153556;1433363161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00033097 = 1.3901 BTC [+]
1153557;1433363893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00032441 = 6.8288 BTC [-]
1153558;1433363972;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1153559;1433363987;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0
1153560;1433364047;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1153561;1433364047;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu not in magic-98 pattern
1153562;1433364047;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1153563;1433364047;thestringpuller;no eulora for ascii_field
1153564;1433364047;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu or at least one of the mods - wasn't
1153565;1433364047;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1153566;1433364047;ascii_field;thestringpuller: believe or not, i do not actually own a machine which could run it.
1153567;1433364230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00033097 = 1.0002 BTC [+]
1153568;1433364901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58545 @ 0.00032277 = 18.8966 BTC [-] {5} 
1153569;1433364918;ben_vulpes;apt-cache madison ??? what the hell.
1153570;1433365389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22916 @ 0.00033818 = 7.7497 BTC [+] {2} 
1153571;1433365526;thestringpuller;my disbelief is more in you playing video games in general
1153572;1433365555;thestringpuller;ascii_field: derives pleasure from reading circuit schematics
1153573;1433365575;ascii_field;thestringpuller: i set up a strict msdos box not long ago, mainly for games
1153574;1433366670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00034977 = 17.4185 BTC [+] {2} 
1153575;1433367951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00033952 = 4.0573 BTC [-]
1153576;1433368062;kakobrekla;title parser is back online
1153577;1433368109;mike_c;http://bitcoin-assets.com/
1153578;1433368110;assbot;#bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AL2pnU )
1153579;1433368121;mike_c;nice!
1153580;1433369184;mircea_popescu;64424509455 eh
1153581;1433369204;mircea_popescu;4294967297 * 3 * 5
1153582;1433369223;mircea_popescu;i think this is 5's first time.
1153583;1433369300;mircea_popescu;yay thanks kakobrekla
1153584;1433369327;kakobrekla;welcome
1153585;1433370524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00031947 = 15.9416 BTC [-] {2} 
1153586;1433370548;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRm3ezx4BLg
1153587;1433370549;assbot;Jack Warner Bloopers 1954 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iiux4o )
1153588;1433371255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00032159 = 10.5482 BTC [+]
1153589;1433371499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34423 @ 0.00031781 = 10.94 BTC [-] {2} 
1153590;1433371560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14621 @ 0.00031699 = 4.6347 BTC [-]
1153591;1433371865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20893 @ 0.00031699 = 6.6229 BTC [-]
1153592;1433372170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70002 @ 0.00032236 = 22.5658 BTC [+] {2} 
1153593;1433372231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81417 @ 0.00031718 = 25.8238 BTC [-] {3} 
1153594;1433373493;mircea_popescu;!up Avenged2
1153595;1433373495;mircea_popescu;!up williamdunne
1153596;1433373501;Avenged2;Whats up people how you chilling?
1153597;1433373512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00031645 = 3.6234 BTC [-]
1153598;1433373535;nubbins`;terminally
1153599;1433373536;Avenged2;Whats up people how you chilling?
1153600;1433373541;nubbins`;terminally
1153601;1433373542;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpgtpvBLU1qfvizao1_500.jpg something like that.
1153602;1433373543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dNd731 )
1153603;1433373750;Avenged2;meowmix081 in the house
1153604;1433373939;ben_vulpes;meowmix808andheartbreaks
1153605;1433374366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71417 @ 0.00031596 = 22.5649 BTC [-] {2} 
1153606;1433374427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85928 @ 0.000315 = 27.0673 BTC [-] {3} 
1153607;1433374484;BingoBoingo;!up STRML
1153608;1433375172;*;asciilifeform for the first time in his life, encountered a defective... jumper.
1153609;1433375178;asciilifeform;srsly wtf 11111!111!!!!!
1153610;1433375403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00031409 = 8.5904 BTC [-]
1153611;1433375464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.00031323 = 12.5449 BTC [-] {2} 
1153612;1433376100;jurov;https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eulora/1439975486317739 likelike :D
1153613;1433376102;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M66Bix )
1153614;1433376318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88600 @ 0.00033001 = 29.2389 BTC [+] {4} 
1153615;1433379490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44230 @ 0.00032501 = 14.3752 BTC [-]
1153616;1433379609;kakobrekla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1YXPBWJ.txt
1153617;1433379611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cytlf2 )
1153618;1433379612;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153619;1433380706;mircea_popescu;jurov ahaha nice
1153620;1433380832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58436 @ 0.00032452 = 18.9637 BTC [-]
1153621;1433380834;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhzbobfoW1qfpdc0o1_500.gif
1153622;1433380835;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmFzG4 )
1153623;1433381747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132804 @ 0.00032436 = 43.0763 BTC [-] {2} 
1153624;1433381808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133946 @ 0.00032815 = 43.9544 BTC [+] {2} 
1153625;1433382662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91767 @ 0.00033298 = 30.5566 BTC [+] {2} 
1153626;1433384127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23618 @ 0.00031831 = 7.5178 BTC [-]
1153627;1433384737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194882 @ 0.00032952 = 64.2175 BTC [+] {2} 
1153628;1433384798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3425 @ 0.00033834 = 1.1588 BTC [+]
1153629;1433385366;mod6;;;bc,stats
1153630;1433385370;gribble;Current Blocks: 359312 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1551 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 47 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46426119555.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.4448
1153631;1433385513;decimation;ugh vox.com makes me want to throw things
1153632;1433385835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 12195 @ 0.00111 = 13.5365 BTC
1153633;1433385913;decimation;asciilifeform: how cheap does shit have to get to have to resort to making defective jumpers?
1153634;1433385929;decimation;I swear one day electronics will be made of pocket lint and dust
1153635;1433386109;decimation;https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155617891025177 < look at that, sheryl sandberg wrote a eulogy for her husband (in which she talks about herself)
1153636;1433386110;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SXgV1E )
1153637;1433386262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90193 @ 0.00032463 = 29.2794 BTC [-] {2} 
1153638;1433386480;hanbot;decimation it's a eulojournal. yoga funerals are prolly next.
1153639;1433386506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00032143 = 7.3607 BTC [-] {2} 
1153640;1433386517;decimation;hehe
1153641;1433387020;decimation;!up gernika
1153642;1433387055;gernika;Howdy.  Sorry for all the joins/parts.  Gotta get znc up again.
1153643;1433387116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104372 @ 0.00033841 = 35.3205 BTC [+] {2} 
1153644;1433387177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5828 @ 0.00033935 = 1.9777 BTC [+]
1153645;1433387360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75100 @ 0.00033935 = 25.4852 BTC [+]
1153646;1433387726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33695 @ 0.00032043 = 10.7969 BTC [-]
1153647;1433388641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31895 @ 0.0003241 = 10.3372 BTC [+]
1153648;1433389312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101992 @ 0.00031831 = 32.4651 BTC [-]
1153649;1433389335;decimation;asciilifeform: did you bolt mod your model m's?
1153650;1433389800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.0003183 = 11.6498 BTC [-]
1153651;1433390410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.0003183 = 28.456 BTC [-]
1153652;1433391142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.0003183 = 19.098 BTC [-]
1153653;1433391325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102100 @ 0.0003185 = 32.5189 BTC [+] {2} 
1153654;1433391874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25325 @ 0.00031986 = 8.1005 BTC [+]
1153655;1433392362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137952 @ 0.0003202 = 44.1722 BTC [+] {2} 
1153656;1433392667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00033614 = 19.4457 BTC [+]
1153657;1433392789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146698 @ 0.00033908 = 49.7424 BTC [+] {5} 
1153658;1433394071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 9354 @ 0.00111 = 10.3829 BTC
1153659;1433394315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 908 @ 0.00111 = 1.0079 BTC
1153660;1433394332;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSSaqt8FIp8
1153661;1433394333;assbot;Luchtgevecht F-16 en F-15 boven Noordzee - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALyVq3 )
1153662;1433395169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71071 @ 0.00033001 = 23.4541 BTC [-] {2} 
1153663;1433395230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8829 @ 0.00034017 = 3.0034 BTC [+]
1153664;1433396877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00031493 = 46.6726 BTC [-] {2} 
1153665;1433398036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00032593 = 7.5942 BTC [+]
1153666;1433400171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 246500 @ 0.00031254 = 77.0411 BTC [-] {4} 
1153667;1433400964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00032012 = 14.8216 BTC [+]
1153668;1433401025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23079 @ 0.00032593 = 7.5221 BTC [+]
1153669;1433402489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164700 @ 0.00032788 = 54.0018 BTC [+] {2} 
1153670;1433402977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23445 @ 0.00033446 = 7.8414 BTC [+]
1153671;1433403465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20160 @ 0.00032567 = 6.5655 BTC [-]
1153672;1433403831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28734 @ 0.00032953 = 9.4687 BTC [+] {2} 
1153673;1433404624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118300 @ 0.00033722 = 39.8931 BTC [+] {2} 
1153674;1433404929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00033595 = 22.0215 BTC [-]
1153675;1433405295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.000339 = 24.2724 BTC [+]
1153676;1433405844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43675 @ 0.000339 = 14.8058 BTC [+]
1153677;1433406210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51450 @ 0.000339 = 17.4416 BTC [+]
1153678;1433407308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101425 @ 0.000339 = 34.3831 BTC [+] {2} 
1153679;1433408162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52473 @ 0.00033955 = 17.8172 BTC [+]
1153680;1433408955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115766 @ 0.00032424 = 37.536 BTC [-] {2} 
1153681;1433409382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00032139 = 31.4319 BTC [-]
1153682;1433409810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78951 @ 0.00031558 = 24.9154 BTC [-] {2} 
1153683;1433410175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53436 @ 0.00031094 = 16.6154 BTC [-] {2} 
1153684;1433410663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130000 @ 0.00031085 = 40.4105 BTC [-] {2} 
1153685;1433411151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28054 @ 0.00032139 = 9.0163 BTC [+]
1153686;1433411517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55046 @ 0.00032772 = 18.0397 BTC [+]
1153687;1433412422;jurov;1mpif
1153688;1433412428;jurov;!mpif
1153689;1433412429;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1153690;1433414018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00031519 = 21.1335 BTC [-]
1153691;1433414262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126187 @ 0.00032408 = 40.8947 BTC [+]
1153692;1433414873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71036 @ 0.0003247 = 23.0654 BTC [+] {2} 
1153693;1433414934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74514 @ 0.00033971 = 25.3132 BTC [+] {3} 
1153694;1433414994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14740 @ 0.00034017 = 5.0141 BTC [+]
1153695;1433414994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC [-]
1153696;1433415299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38802 @ 0.00034362 = 13.3331 BTC [+]
1153697;1433415848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40058 @ 0.00034362 = 13.7647 BTC [+]
1153698;1433416336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61823 @ 0.00031519 = 19.486 BTC [-]
1153699;1433416885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69314 @ 0.0003225 = 22.3538 BTC [+]
1153700;1433417556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00031672 = 20.6501 BTC [-]
1153701;1433417861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00031936 = 41.8042 BTC [+] {3} 
1153702;1433418288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00034374 = 8.0091 BTC [+]
1153703;1433419264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3477 @ 0.00031519 = 1.0959 BTC [-]
1153704;1433419281;shinohai;For anyone awake: https://i.imgur.com/TmH2k.jpg [NSFW]
1153705;1433419282;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1APwzWZ )
1153706;1433419874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45823 @ 0.00031487 = 14.4283 BTC [-]
1153707;1433419935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12677 @ 0.00033796 = 4.2843 BTC [+]
1153708;1433420023;jurov;shinohai: okay, but...that is nsfw?
1153709;1433420084;shinohai;Better safe than sorry. I get bitched at everywhere else
1153710;1433420111;jurov;lol, never here.
1153711;1433420160;jurov;hello adlai, have you seen pm?
1153712;1433420218;shinohai;Well I have seen some of mp's goodies, so
1153713;1433420240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36230 @ 0.00031691 = 11.4816 BTC [-]
1153714;1433420275;jurov;!bait
1153715;1433420276;punkman;heh http://www.startupranking.com/
1153716;1433420277;assbot;Startup Ranking ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfWPcV )
1153717;1433420305;jurov;assbot had a !bait command, we all much miss now
1153718;1433420350;punkman;it was some other bot
1153719;1433420486;shinohai;I had a porn scraper bot at one time, forgot what i did with it
1153720;1433420534;jurov;you can revive it and climb in the WoT :DDDD
1153721;1433420566;shinohai;kek
1153722;1433420569;jurov;when bot will listen only people who +rated you
1153723;1433420608;shinohai;I like assbot. the gpg features are just bees knees
1153724;1433420932;shinohai;Someone rich here buy me this for hannukah https://i.imgur.com/ZeOvA6G.jpg
1153725;1433420933;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfZ9kc )
1153726;1433421399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114048 @ 0.00031833 = 36.3049 BTC [+] {2} 
1153727;1433421826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32404 @ 0.00032419 = 10.5051 BTC [+]
1153728;1433422016;jurov;lol http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt froze firefox hard
1153729;1433422128;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151729 <<< <code> block, problem solved
1153730;1433422128;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 19:32:18; jurov: everyone just copies the clearsigned test and pastes it to wordpress
1153731;1433422270;jurov;Using the <code> tag doesn't tell WordPress to encode HTML markup within the tag or strip it from the post. WordPress thinks that you are using this markup for formatting, leaving it untouched.
1153732;1433422276;jurov;"problem solved"
1153733;1433422379;davout;yeah well, why are you even putting markup in the GPG message anyway?
1153734;1433422408;mircea_popescu;jurov seems to be working fine for pgp comments on trilema
1153735;1433422415;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-may-2015-statement/#comment-114428 << loke
1153736;1433422417;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ig4wjq )
1153737;1433422480;mircea_popescu;shinohai you think ass is not safe for work ?
1153738;1433422496;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151840 <<< good look doing radio communications without a callsign
1153739;1433422496;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:50; ascii_field: punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
1153740;1433422501;shinohai;Well, depending on where you work.
1153741;1433422518;mircea_popescu;in bitcoin-ASSets ?
1153742;1433422543;mircea_popescu;in any case, heidi's probably burning to be yours for a song. go sing to her.
1153743;1433422544;jurov;of course it works as long as <>% is avoided
1153744;1433422561;jurov;and overlong lines, too
1153745;1433422570;*;mircea_popescu hates "html email". why would anyone want html gpg
1153746;1433422666;*;shinohai votes for assbot to return real pictures of ass, then.
1153747;1433422683;jurov;like, everyone who wants to combine gpg with html?
1153748;1433422703;jurov;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET does not verify, for example
1153749;1433422703;assbot;S.BBET last 300@0.00008000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ig5vjI )
1153750;1433423104;mircea_popescu;gpg: BAD signature from "Mir
1153751;1433423106;mircea_popescu;for fucks sake.
1153752;1433423271;mircea_popescu;jurov : i have kakobrekla s original signed thing here. ima ima move it to the correct format (as used on ulterior listings) with the html aside.
1153753;1433424076;scoopbot_revived;MPEx (S.MPOE) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-may-2015-statement/
1153754;1433424143;mircea_popescu;jurov check it now. an' thanks for pointing it out!
1153755;1433424152;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.co/assets/s.bbet-1F2489E8.txt
1153756;1433424153;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igb0Pl )
1153757;1433424154;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1153758;1433424162;mircea_popescu;ehh
1153759;1433424184;jurov;heh mpex is prolly not on whitelist :DDD
1153760;1433424184;mircea_popescu;eh wtf.
1153761;1433424239;mircea_popescu;dawg this is nuts same file verifies locally.
1153762;1433424289;mircea_popescu;curl http://mpex.co/assets/s.bbet-1F2489E8.txt | gpg gpg: Signature made Sat 05 Jan 2013 02:13:25 AM ART using RSA key ID 1F2489E8
1153763;1433424290;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SY7kaQ )
1153764;1433424290;mircea_popescu;gpg: Good signature from "Mat Koce
1153765;1433424307;mircea_popescu;trinque any idea what's going on there ?
1153766;1433424345;jurov;the 1F2489E8 key is not in L2
1153767;1433424348;mircea_popescu;jurov no but i recall he took the whitelisting stuff away. don't tell me KAKO isn't whitelisted.
1153768;1433424350;mircea_popescu;hm
1153769;1433424357;mircea_popescu;!gettrust kakobrekla
1153770;1433424360;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 56 via 34 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=kakobrekla | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kakobrekla/
1153771;1433424381;mircea_popescu;27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8
1153772;1433424383;mircea_popescu;how not
1153773;1433424426;mircea_popescu;jurov mind verifying it yourself so i can stop thinking i'm in twilight zone over here ?
1153774;1433424437;jurov;interesting. somehow the key hasn't fetched by my script
1153775;1433424449;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1153776;1433424507;jurov;yes sig verifies
1153777;1433424560;mircea_popescu;aha aite.
1153778;1433424569;jurov;iirc trinque used https://github.com/jurov/wot/blob/master/update_gpg.py and somehow kako's key wasn't fetched
1153779;1433424571;assbot;wot/update_gpg.py at master · jurov/wot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgcpFF )
1153780;1433424591;jurov;but idk, maybe it's something yet other
1153781;1433424655;mircea_popescu;aha. i was gonna dump the whole set of contracts in deedbot, but ima wait now to see what he says about this one.
1153782;1433425078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153723 << if you want to make a bait bot that's not retarded (which is to say, it fetches good quality, always fully nude, slightly fetish stuff) you can prolly have it voiced here. where to get good porn tho...
1153783;1433425078;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 12:23:28; shinohai: I like assbot. the gpg features are just bees knees
1153784;1433425099;mircea_popescu;actually, strike that : what i'd really like would be a bot that goes through b-a, takes all images and dumps them in a 8chan thread for the purpose
1153785;1433425106;mircea_popescu;"visual bitcoin assets" or something like that.
1153786;1433425128;shinohai;#b-a on 8chan. I like you already.
1153787;1433425152;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/btc/ you know ?
1153788;1433425153;assbot;/btc/ - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgeEsl )
1153789;1433425199;shinohai;I did not know that. Bookmarked for future trolling.
1153790;1433425213;mircea_popescu;and you never noticed the banners, either ? o.O
1153791;1433425270;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153728 << lol. more stuff from the empire of http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/
1153792;1433425270;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 12:46:56; jurov: lol http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt froze firefox hard
1153793;1433425271;assbot;Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igf6XB )
1153794;1433425289;mircea_popescu;kinda why the warning is there. don't think any aproach other than curl is safe on it
1153795;1433425323;shinohai;I'm not a fan of Ubuntu if I can avoid it
1153796;1433425379;jurov;looks like folks install ubuntu into the emulator just to run eulora
1153797;1433425393;jurov;shoulda have some other option
1153798;1433425401;mircea_popescu;so hurry up with teh windoze.
1153799;1433425430;shinohai;great mircea_popescu, now you showed me that I'll never get work done.
1153800;1433425601;chetty;http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2015/06/04/leaked-tisa-documents-reveal-privacy-threat/
1153801;1433425602;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IggsBQ )
1153802;1433426250;jurov;https://8ch.net/btc/res/332.html#341 bingo's famous
1153803;1433426251;assbot;/btc/ - If you could fight anyone in Bitcoin, who would you fight? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JobI03 )
1153804;1433426305;shinohai;lol top kek
1153805;1433426523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70450 @ 0.00033341 = 23.4887 BTC [+]
1153806;1433426542;shinohai;I need to send some coins to my cult wallet in a bit
1153807;1433426897;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151840 <<< good look doing radio communications without a callsign << you can, it's called wifi/bluetooth etc
1153808;1433426897;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:50; ascii_field: punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
1153809;1433426915;decimation;usg setup an 'exception' and now the mob sits upon it
1153810;1433427078;kakobrekla; kako's key wasn't fetched < but i used deedbot earlier and it worked ?
1153811;1433427743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134665 @ 0.00033481 = 45.0872 BTC [+] {2} 
1153812;1433427787;davout;decimation: human radio communications, from airplanes
1153813;1433427855;davout;"NOVEMBER TWO TWO NINER, PLS TO LAND RUNWAY 28 LEFT"
1153814;1433427987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00033594 = 10.5485 BTC [+] {2} 
1153815;1433428009;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: if you want to make a bait bot that's not retarded  (which is to say, it fetches good quality, always fully  nude, slightly fetish stuff) you can prolly have it  voiced here. where to get good porn tho... << have d00d dredge through tumblr and put together a list manually for the bot to take from lol!
1153816;1433428399;davout;williamdunne should just turn indiancandy's webcam on
1153817;1433428414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74800 @ 0.00033191 = 24.8269 BTC [-]
1153818;1433428441;williamdunne;thestringpuller: That'd be easy to modify scoop for
1153819;1433428458;williamdunne;davout: lol, webcam over IRC?
1153820;1433428658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173731 @ 0.00033662 = 58.4813 BTC [+] {3} 
1153821;1433428843;davout;word
1153822;1433428848;lobbes;more Eulora pimpin': https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224634.msg11533486#msg11533486
1153823;1433428850;assbot;S.MG - The Ministry of Games. ... ( http://bit.ly/1APPTTZ )
1153824;1433429130;HeySteve;volunteering for porn-dredging duties
1153825;1433429151;HeySteve;found a pic this morning which looks eerily similar to my gf, obviously have a talent for it
1153826;1433429176;williamdunne;HeySteve: You can't say that and not share the picture you found, and the picture of your gf
1153827;1433429177;shinohai;So many pron volunteers, we need no bots xD
1153828;1433429212;williamdunne;But yeah, guessing tumblr has RSS by default, so it would be very easy to modify scoop's source to automatically post porn from a curated list of tumblr porn blogs
1153829;1433429219;mats;http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/georgia-man-wandered-around-atlanta-airport-with-a-loaded-ar-15-because-something-might-happen
1153830;1433429221;assbot;  Georgia man wandered around Atlanta airport with a loaded AR-15 because ‘something might happen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1APQFAk )
1153831;1433429334;HeySteve;haven't really bothered with tumblr, imagefap is my preferred porn source
1153832;1433429471;scoopbot_revived;The thing about Jaron Lanier is that he's an idiot who's out to get you. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/the-thing-about-jaron-lanier-is-that-hes-an-idiot-whos-out-to-get-you/
1153833;1433429473;shinohai;!fap
1153834;1433429707;lobbes;'If you don’t exercise your rights, the government doesn’t have any hesitation taking them away' attaboy
1153835;1433429783;lobbes;re: pron bots. You could run with williamdunne's idea of curated tumblrs, and then add in a custom tumblr to that list where volunteers dump their pics from whatever source they feel (imagefap, xhamster, etc)
1153836;1433429819;williamdunne;That'd work
1153837;1433430037;trinque;kakobrekla: I synced the keys arsebot had a while back
1153838;1433430352;*;kakobrekla doesnt have a problem
1153839;1433430399;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Does qntra get a statement on Trilema this month? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149952 http://qntra.net/2015/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2015-statement/ Or are we in some mystery rotation to have the month off?
1153840;1433430399;assbot;Logged on 01-06-2015 19:47:49; cazalla: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0PYPXAV.txt
1153841;1433430400;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGGnCU )
1153842;1433430422;*;chetty wants naked males too if you guys do a porn bot
1153843;1433430494;williamdunne;chetty: Most of the porn posted includes males, no?
1153844;1433430730;shinohai;In this cradle of free speech, we must be all-inclusive on porn types.
1153845;1433430768;HeySteve;no furries
1153846;1433430781;trinque;that's not even porn
1153847;1433430818;HeySteve;you'd be surprised... http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonsfuckingcars/
1153848;1433430819;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGHF0z )
1153849;1433430855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00033191 = 3.6344 BTC [-]
1153850;1433430897;trinque;I dunno what that is, but I don't see any fur on the dragons
1153851;1433431004;williamdunne;http://gamingfurry.tumblr.com/
1153852;1433431005;assbot;(Mostly) Straight Furry Porn ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGIcj4 )
1153853;1433431029;trinque;oh right, I was just thinking of actual furries
1153854;1433431048;trinque;this is more zoophilia
1153855;1433431072;HeySteve;I'm not sure what else to call them besides cartoon beastiophiles
1153856;1433431091;williamdunne;http://www.xtube.com/tags/videos.php?tag=fursuit
1153857;1433431091;assbot;Fursuit Porn Videos: Hot Fursuit Movies Sextube | Xtube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGIpmq )
1153858;1433431194;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/birdsondicks
1153859;1433431196;assbot;Birds On Dicks ... ( http://bit.ly/1APUIMX )
1153860;1433431346;HeySteve;hmm, "rule 34 + bitcoin" yields no results
1153861;1433431360;HeySteve;internet has failed
1153862;1433431400;williamdunne;HeySteve: rule 35
1153863;1433431452;danielpbarron;obligatory re: birds on dicks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEZL4ult9n0
1153864;1433431453;assbot;Chirpy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGJk6i )
1153865;1433431453;HeySteve;if we build it, they will come
1153866;1433431647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93229 @ 0.00033191 = 30.9436 BTC [-]
1153867;1433431791;shinohai;LOL @ chirpy
1153868;1433431891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68764 @ 0.00033553 = 23.0724 BTC [+]
1153869;1433431968;thestringpuller;who was that chick in charge of bitcoin gone wild or whatever?
1153870;1433431980;thestringpuller;the one who did the bitcoin tutorials naked but with domino mask thing on
1153871;1433432407;shinohai;was that Sexy Saffron ?
1153872;1433432439;shinohai;http://www.kinkbomb.com/p/masturbation-for-daddy-2/163328
1153873;1433432441;assbot;Kinkbomb.com - the marketplace for buying & selling fetish video clips ... ( http://bit.ly/1APXlyg )
1153874;1433432708;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3lF2qEA2cw
1153875;1433432708;assbot;Creep - Vintage Postmodern Jukebox Radiohead Cover ft. Haley Reinhart - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGMBm4 )
1153876;1433432887;danielpbarron;nice cover.
1153877;1433433600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00034115 = 13.5778 BTC [+]
1153878;1433433661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00034216 = 33.4632 BTC [+] {2} 
1153879;1433434094;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1153880;1433434515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00034105 = 16.7456 BTC [-]
1153881;1433434573;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153825 << what did she say ?
1153882;1433434573;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 14:45:51; HeySteve: found a pic this morning which looks eerily similar to my gf, obviously have a talent for it
1153883;1433434626;HeySteve;she say it's not her
1153884;1433434627;mircea_popescu;lobbes lol necroposting on tardstalk ? i imagine it as this cinematic moment, where the current crop of retards meets the previous crop of identical retards and has an identity wtf moment.
1153885;1433434644;mircea_popescu;sorta like highschools work. "what do you mean you're the guy in that seat ? IM THE GUY IN THAT SEAT!!1"
1153886;1433434658;mircea_popescu;HeySteve so ask to meet her sister ? :D
1153887;1433434681;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153827 << kinda the idea
1153888;1433434681;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 14:46:17; shinohai: So many pron volunteers, we need no bots xD
1153889;1433434698;HeySteve;heh, suggested taking some comparison shots
1153890;1433434742;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153835 << /me would much rather see this on 8chan rather than any othe imageboard seeing how the owner of any other imageboard is a poopyhead without a gpg account.
1153891;1433434742;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 14:56:23; lobbes: re: pron bots. You could run with williamdunne's idea of curated tumblrs, and then add in a custom tumblr to that list where volunteers dump their pics from whatever source they feel (imagefap, xhamster, etc)
1153892;1433434784;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo of course it does!
1153893;1433434790;BingoBoingo;k
1153894;1433434792;mircea_popescu;dun fret, it's not even the 5th yet.
1153895;1433434809;mircea_popescu;but yes, both qntra and f.mpif later today.
1153896;1433434820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00034132 = 16.6223 BTC [+]
1153897;1433434842;BingoBoingo;Ah, I though the dealine was before the 5th which is 7-8 hours away
1153898;1433434896;mircea_popescu;"(Mostly) Straight Furry Porn" what the fuck does that even mean!
1153899;1433434912;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's only like 1pm where i live. i just woke up!
1153900;1433434926;mircea_popescu;and generally it's been 1-5th
1153901;1433434929;mike_c;update on exploding computer - it was definitely the power supply.  some nasty oil stuff came out of it.  i don't know what the hell they put in these things.
1153902;1433434958;mike_c;one big capacitor has melted plastic, but don't know if that was failed component or just nearby
1153903;1433434959;BingoBoingo;Ah. I just assume everything happens on UTC until we supplant UTC with a block height based calendar
1153904;1433434980;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Every now and then capacitors pop
1153905;1433434988;BingoBoingo;It is just what they do
1153906;1433434990;mike_c;it doesn't look exploded though
1153907;1433434997;mike_c;and where the hell did the oil come from?
1153908;1433435010;BingoBoingo;Oil comes from capacitor
1153909;1433435025;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/S1DyDQE.png
1153910;1433435026;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtpSve )
1153911;1433435029;BingoBoingo;Sometimes it gets hot and finds a way out, not every pop has to be violently dramatic
1153912;1433435043;mike_c;oh, really? well maybe that was it then.  you think it was bad power?  cooling fan doesn't seem seized.
1153913;1433435064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88270 @ 0.00033206 = 29.3109 BTC [-] {2} 
1153914;1433435065;BingoBoingo;Could be. It's getting to be air conditioning season
1153915;1433435085;mike_c;fking ancient manhattan building too.. wouldn't be surprised if the power is dirty
1153916;1433435127;mircea_popescu;mike_c ecapacitors just fail. sometimes there's a bad batch and they all get diseased. sometimes it's just freak occurences.
1153917;1433435195;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153870 << i missed this ? link ?
1153918;1433435195;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 15:33:00; thestringpuller: the one who did the bitcoin tutorials naked but with domino mask thing on
1153919;1433435215;mike_c;was an OCZ 1kw power supply for the record.. won't be buying from them again.
1153920;1433435244;mircea_popescu;that's ok, everyone buys capacitors from the same coupla outfits anyway.
1153921;1433435763;trinque;mircea_popescu: dunno why that didn't work; I'll look into it
1153922;1433435776;trinque;pulling it down manually and verifying it with deedbot-'s gpg works
1153923;1433435781;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1153924;1433435792;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1153925;1433435814;pete_dushenski;thanks bb, i'll auth too
1153926;1433435898;trinque;mircea_popescu: also if you're planning on doing many at once, I should improve the error output such that it doesn't just say accepted: 55, rejected: 3 (LOL HAVE FUN)
1153927;1433435937;mircea_popescu;haha i was gonna do them one at a time,
1153928;1433435982;mircea_popescu;but more's the point : could the number on the site get a tooltip that's set to equal the first 256 chars of the deed ?
1153929;1433435996;trinque;yeah good idea
1153930;1433436006;mircea_popescu;that solves the 55/3 problem : just let it process, see what made it in
1153931;1433436503;mircea_popescu;hm i have an idea
1153932;1433436522;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt
1153933;1433436523;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtufpX )
1153934;1433436525;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1153935;1433436552;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-2FB7B452.txt
1153936;1433436553;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtukde )
1153937;1433436554;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153938;1433436559;trinque;wut
1153939;1433436579;trinque;I'll step through the code with the one that's barfing
1153940;1433436583;mircea_popescu;aha. trinque i bet you it's Ko�evar
1153941;1433436593;*;trinque curses python's encoding fuckery
1153942;1433436617;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/x.eur-2FB7B452.txt
1153943;1433436618;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtuuRT )
1153944;1433436619;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153945;1433436627;mircea_popescu;francois is ok o.O
1153946;1433436634;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.ws/assets/x.eur-01713428.txt
1153947;1433436635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtuxNC )
1153948;1433436637;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/x.eur-01713428.txt
1153949;1433436638;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtuxNM )
1153950;1433436640;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153951;1433436647;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.wol-4F910E21.txt
1153952;1433436647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoS0S )
1153953;1433436648;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153954;1433436653;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.wol-2FB7B452.txt
1153955;1433436654;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoVd4 )
1153956;1433436656;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153957;1433436661;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-F3251143.txt
1153958;1433436661;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoUFY )
1153959;1433436663;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153960;1433436667;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-468F4AD0.txt
1153961;1433436668;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoXSd )
1153962;1433436669;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153963;1433436677;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-2FB7B452.txt
1153964;1433436678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtukde )
1153965;1433436679;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153966;1433436686;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.nsa-2FB7B452.txt
1153967;1433436686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoXBF )
1153968;1433436687;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153969;1433436693;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.nsa-01ABFFC7.txt
1153970;1433436694;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp0xx )
1153971;1433436695;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153972;1433436698;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.mpoe-2FB7B452.txt
1153973;1433436698;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp0NX )
1153974;1433436700;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153975;1433436704;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.mg-2FB7B452.txt
1153976;1433436705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp1l1 )
1153977;1433436707;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153978;1433436712;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/f.mpif-2FB7B452.txt
1153979;1433436713;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp1S5 )
1153980;1433436714;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153981;1433436722;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/f.derp-2FB7B452.txt
1153982;1433436722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp3JJ )
1153983;1433436724;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1153984;1433436853;trinque;mircea_popescu: did the tooltip; I'll look into that encoding thing shortly
1153985;1433436859;mircea_popescu;splendid.
1153986;1433436875;mircea_popescu;trinque ah, cut out the ---- and hash stuff
1153987;1433436888;trinque;k
1153988;1433436894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34012 @ 0.00034045 = 11.5794 BTC [+]
1153989;1433436899;kakobrekla;my name is incorrect here tho http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt
1153990;1433436900;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtufpX )
1153991;1433436908;kakobrekla;i think that you need to fix it
1153992;1433436916;mircea_popescu;wait is it ?
1153993;1433436935;kakobrekla;see http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
1153994;1433436935;assbot;S.BBET last 300@0.00008000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtvju2 )
1153995;1433436935;mircea_popescu;hmm... could it be I am the cause of this problems ?!?!?!
1153996;1433437042;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i think maybe your browser messes you up ? the byte is correct
1153997;1433437050;mircea_popescu;curl it an' see.
1153998;1433437076;trinque;yeah, my browser also fucks that up, but felipelalli reported that his deeds looked right to him
1153999;1433437144;mircea_popescu;curl http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt | grep "Ko�evar"
1154000;1433437145;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtvVQs )
1154001;1433437145;mircea_popescu;Ko�evar,
1154002;1433437145;scoopbot_revived;Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-may-2015-statement/
1154003;1433437199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38737 @ 0.00033191 = 12.8572 BTC [-]
1154004;1433437213;kakobrekla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0SM0WRF.txt
1154005;1433437215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtw8mJ )
1154006;1433437215;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1154007;1433437226;kakobrekla;heh
1154008;1433437245;kakobrekla;o wait it comes up twice
1154009;1433437288;kakobrekla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0F8DSVR.txt
1154010;1433437289;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhqp7a )
1154011;1433437289;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1154012;1433437293;kakobrekla;dunno
1154013;1433437324;trinque;i'll dissect the specimen shortly
1154014;1433437372;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ^. an' shares added to coinbr
1154015;1433437384;BingoBoingo;k
1154016;1433437809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11746 @ 0.00033174 = 3.8966 BTC [-]
1154017;1433437931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56218 @ 0.00034046 = 19.14 BTC [+] {2} 
1154018;1433439061;*;jurov looks
1154019;1433439273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00034297 = 1.0365 BTC [+]
1154020;1433439311;BingoBoingo;!up DanyAlos
1154021;1433439354;DanyAlos;Thanx
1154022;1433439360;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/2sgj5ed.png
1154023;1433439361;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8enbL )
1154024;1433439437;scoopbot_revived;3 Years Prison For Backpack Full of Cash in Winnipeg http://qntra.net/2015/06/3-years-prison-for-backpack-full-of-cash-in-winnipeg/
1154025;1433439639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00034398 = 13.3464 BTC [+] {2} 
1154026;1433439752;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1154027;1433439762;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153920 << cn vs jp thing
1154028;1433439762;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 16:27:24; mircea_popescu: that's ok, everyone buys capacitors from the same coupla outfits anyway.
1154029;1433439805;jurov;s.qntr distributed
1154030;1433439879;ascii_field;jp made and makes decent caps; cn happily sells you a turd with fraudulent jp branding printed on
1154031;1433439960;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153915 << get a ferroresonant stabilizer
1154032;1433439960;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 16:24:45; mike_c: fking ancient manhattan building too.. wouldn't be surprised if the power is dirty
1154033;1433439998;ascii_field;mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698341 << see also old thread.
1154034;1433439998;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2014 05:06:35; asciilifeform: outfit called 'SOLA.' still exists.
1154035;1433440188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00034297 = 12.4841 BTC [-]
1154036;1433440460;DanyAlos;Any opinion about this?  http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2015/5/cj-v35n2-12.pdf
1154037;1433440461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMLMZ9 )
1154038;1433440559;trinque;DanyAlos: guy compares bitcoin to something difficult to move around; I'm not impressed so far
1154039;1433440599;ascii_field;'There are also further casualties to the Bitcoin system. Once a
1154040;1433440599;ascii_field;dominant player arises, it cannot possibly operate in a clandestine fashion beyond the knowledge of law enforcement' << 'tungsten melts in your mouth!' - stopped reading, idiocy dosimeter maxed
1154041;1433440615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186400 @ 0.00034474 = 64.2595 BTC [+] {3} 
1154042;1433440636;trinque;there's that, mining will become a monopoly because reasons, so on
1154043;1433440638;ascii_field;gotta love the usg shill 'independent think tank' academitards
1154044;1433440651;DanyAlos;His main point is that mining is going to monopolize sooner o later.
1154045;1433440690;trinque;DanyAlos: maybe you can fish his argument out of the pages of explaining what bitcoin is?
1154046;1433440703;trinque;if it's simply "because economies of scale" come on
1154047;1433440763;trinque;I guess it starts on 364
1154048;1433440857;trinque;wherein "However, if it makes sense for any two miners to form a pool, it
1154049;1433440859;trinque;also makes sense for any group of miners to form a pool. Thus, the
1154050;1433440861;trinque;original competition between individual miners in the Bitcoin system
1154051;1433440863;trinque;consolidates into competition between ever growing mining pools:
1154052;1433440865;trinque;perfect competition gives way to oligopoly"
1154053;1433440889;trinque;existence of mining pools == oligopoly (whatever that means)
1154054;1433440902;trinque;is a bare assertion that doesn't follow from anything previously stated
1154055;1433441014;ascii_field;for overseas folks: cato et al play the same role in usg as zhirinovsky played in ru in '90s
1154056;1433441037;ascii_field;or the soi-dissant 'far right' political parties in uk, fr
1154057;1433441042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033998 = 23.3566 BTC [-] {2} 
1154058;1433441080;trinque;yep
1154059;1433441097;DanyAlos;It is clear that now competition occur betwen pools, and not individuals.
1154060;1433441123;DanyAlos;That doesnt mean pools are going to merge in any way.
1154061;1433441169;trinque;!up DanyAlos
1154062;1433441204;DanyAlos;@trinque Thanx
1154063;1433441207;trinque;DanyAlos: right, that companies compete in markets and not usually individuals is not shocking
1154064;1433441261;DanyAlos;Thats why I dont get his point.
1154065;1433441269;ascii_field;there wasn't one
1154066;1433441272;trinque;^
1154067;1433441413;ascii_field;in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97AB55020D00197E8A573EA2CD4CDACDFF288FE47BEF0CFA75C39C002A33D48
1154068;1433441415;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8jybE )
1154069;1433441475;trinque;ascii_field: seems like a lot of germans
1154070;1433441553;ascii_field;mostly from 'magic list'
1154071;1433441608;DanyAlos;magic list ?
1154072;1433441633;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1154073;1433441646;ascii_field;DanyAlos: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations
1154074;1433441648;assbot;More factored RSA keys, and assorted other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMOcHb )
1154075;1433442384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53278 @ 0.00034585 = 18.4262 BTC [+]
1154076;1433443055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142888 @ 0.00034443 = 49.2149 BTC [-] {2} 
1154077;1433443876;danielpbarron;that "moldbug" guy got kicked out of some tech conference
1154078;1433443889;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1154079;1433443894;ascii_field;danielpbarron: l0l wat ?
1154080;1433443901;ascii_field;where?
1154081;1433443902;danielpbarron;not kicked out, but uninvited as a speaker
1154082;1433443909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188400 @ 0.00034586 = 65.16 BTC [+] {2} 
1154083;1433443916;ascii_field;the 'futures market' thing?
1154084;1433443918;ascii_field;that was ages ago
1154085;1433443934;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/bodil/status/606334546083213312
1154086;1433443957;danielpbarron;>> Glad to see Moldbug now gone from the @strangeloop_stl speaker list. I'm sure he wouldn't have been there at all if they'd known about him.
1154087;1433443962;ascii_field;ah this is new
1154088;1433444168;ascii_field;funny how mr mold is being groomed to become a junior assistant zhirinovsky
1154089;1433444199;ascii_field;(the actual american zhirinovsky is not unambiguously one man, but could be peter thiel, ron/rand paul, a number of other folks)
1154090;1433444207;ascii_field;'loyal opposition'
1154091;1433444229;trinque;"I don't agree with Mr Paul but I admire his candor!"
1154092;1433444927;trinque;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-04/danes-are-revolting-tax-administration-set-fire
1154093;1433444928;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FycQqz )
1154094;1433444939;trinque;gotta love that zerohedge hyperbole
1154095;1433444972;trinque;awesome, but a few parking lots shy of a revolution
1154096;1433445019;shinohai;@ danielpbarron nearly synced fully and the new address imports work good.
1154097;1433445080;trinque;also that paragraph at the end is representative of the new communism. "govts print money therefore y u no free money?" as per recent thread
1154098;1433445122;danielpbarron;shinohai, what's that regarding? 0.5.3.x ?
1154099;1433445155;danielpbarron;i'm not sure it's supposed to be used as a wallet
1154100;1433445169;shinohai;Yes. Last night I spoke with mod6 we did it for lolz
1154101;1433445196;shinohai;I personally want to see wallet binary divorced from the server.
1154102;1433445202;ascii_field;address imports ?
1154103;1433445216;ascii_field;0.5.3 didn't have dumpprivkey
1154104;1433445231;ascii_field;(which, imho, makes it virtually unusable as a wallet)
1154105;1433445235;shinohai;did it with pywallet
1154106;1433445373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00034589 = 6.8486 BTC [+]
1154107;1433445377;shinohai;1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 is my official mircea_popescu cult wallet addy
1154108;1433445425;shinohai;which works on 0.5.3.x
1154109;1433445431;ascii_field;neato
1154110;1433445434;trinque;shinohai: seems like you have your concept of cult finances backwards :p
1154111;1433445472;shinohai;I am gonna build xt with a 1rtbc address and see which breaks first.
1154112;1433445492;shinohai;know thy enemy and all.
1154113;1433445747;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1154114;1433445754;ascii_field;http://defensetech.org/2015/06/03/us-air-force-targets-and-destroys-isis-hq-building-using-social-media << mega-l0l
1154115;1433445784;ascii_field;null those exif-s.
1154116;1433445802;trinque;loose tweets stain sheets?
1154117;1433445846;ascii_field;'“The guys that were working down out of Hurlburt, they’re combing through social media and they see some moron standing at this command. And in some social media, open forum, bragging about the command and control capabilities for Daesh, ISIL. And these guys go: ‘We got an in.’ So they do some work, long story short, about 22 hours later through that very building, three [Joint Direct Attack Munitions] ta
1154118;1433445846;ascii_field;ke that entire building out.'
1154119;1433445861;trinque;lol
1154120;1433446781;davout;http://fusion.net/story/143307/former-mt-gox-ceo-current-bitcoin-exchanges-are-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/
1154121;1433446782;assbot;Former Mt. Gox CEO: Current Bitcoin exchanges are a 'disaster waiting to happen' | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPUZFQ )
1154122;1433446799;davout;on of the redditards has it, the guy should really write for the onion
1154123;1433446803;davout;*one
1154124;1433447063;fluffypony;lol davout
1154125;1433447113;fluffypony;"former serial murderer serving life in prison says other serial murderers are 'going to be in prison' eventually"
1154126;1433447325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00033797 = 1.7236 BTC [-]
1154127;1433447328;trinque;"At least in the traditional world of finance, these different institutions are separated." << if only there were screening programs which flagged potential serial killers in childhood, we'd never have another
1154128;1433447331;trinque;this guy cut some kind of deal.
1154129;1433447442;shinohai;I just want to smack him one time. Just once.
1154130;1433447476;shinohai;He is like a fat Mark Zuckerberg
1154131;1433447506;trinque;chain him up somewhere and let people take a swing at him for 0.1BTC, repay accounts out of the proceeds
1154132;1433447508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39114 @ 0.00033797 = 13.2194 BTC [-]
1154133;1433447620;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/gamingonlinux.txt << "mega l0l"
1154134;1433447621;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QuiLD8 )
1154135;1433447752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00034589 = 3.5973 BTC [+]
1154136;1433447902;shinohai;Nice danielpbarron I regret I am not into games much :/
1154137;1433448010;mod6;sweet, aws bill for last month was only $10.00 more. *whew*
1154138;1433448068;trinque;mod6: you can set alerts at various levels of expenditure in cloudwatch
1154139;1433448071;trinque;helps me keep a handle on it
1154140;1433448118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111237 @ 0.00033547 = 37.3167 BTC [-]
1154141;1433448181;thestringpuller;davout: you heard Fat Zuckerberg! Paymium is a disaster waiting to happen!
1154142;1433448240;mod6;trinque: ah, aight, thanks.
1154143;1433448850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66400 @ 0.00034459 = 22.8808 BTC [+] {2} 
1154144;1433449460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92850 @ 0.00034685 = 32.205 BTC [+] {2} 
1154145;1433449887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.0003477 = 16.6896 BTC [+] {2} 
1154146;1433451534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00034827 = 24.6227 BTC [+] {2} 
1154147;1433452693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1000 @ 0.20538785 = 205.3879 BTC [-]
1154148;1433452799;mircea_popescu;o look at that, 14 deeds in one go
1154149;1433452804;mircea_popescu;a deedbot record
1154150;1433452831;*;trinque pats the hood
1154151;1433452833;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1154152;1433452843;mircea_popescu;trinque nice work eh :D
1154153;1433452870;trinque;it's getting there; got some changes I'll be making this weekend
1154154;1433452875;trinque;this docker thing is a piece of siht
1154155;1433452921;trinque;equal parts security theater, wrong problem, and "deny the underlying system exists"
1154156;1433452945;trinque;I tend to try one new thing per project; that one's headed for the ash heap
1154157;1433452953;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154036 << make it not be a pdf.
1154158;1433452953;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 17:54:20; DanyAlos: Any opinion about this?  http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2015/5/cj-v35n2-12.pdf
1154159;1433452989;mircea_popescu;trinque i never formed an actual opinion on the grounds that it looked too gimmicky and widely adopted in the astroturf manner for my taste.
1154160;1433453007;*;mircea_popescu has a lengthy bin of "must have" stuff he successfully waited out.
1154161;1433453018;trinque;yep, sounds like your taster is tuned
1154162;1433453425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62600 @ 0.00034848 = 21.8148 BTC [+] {3} 
1154163;1433453631;thestringpuller;trinque: you and ben_vulpes would have some interesting conversations about docker
1154164;1433453652;thestringpuller;it's supposed to remove the sysadmin from the equation if you don't have money to pay for nice ones.
1154165;1433453679;trinque;thestringpuller: he's actually a local buddy of mine; we've chewed on that one a couple times
1154166;1433453692;trinque;I see what it tries to be, and people can get some benefit out of it
1154167;1433453706;trinque;but it's actually several features of a sane *operating-system, not some bolt-on to linux
1154168;1433453716;trinque;managing configuration state, so on
1154169;1433453734;thestringpuller;well that and the images are truly portable if the host is sane.
1154170;1433453741;*;trinque backs away slowly before he starts talking about using relational modeling for CM
1154171;1433453753;thestringpuller;so configuration is non-existent
1154172;1433453758;trinque;yeah, I can see that
1154173;1433453764;thestringpuller;this is good and bad, but moreover what your purpose is.
1154174;1433453774;thestringpuller;the security theatre part is a nuclear bomb waiting to go off.
1154175;1433453797;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154114 <<< "o look, we can both misrepresent the intel source and prop our propaganda machine. now people will think social media is important!11"
1154176;1433453797;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 19:22:34; ascii_field: http://defensetech.org/2015/06/03/us-air-force-targets-and-destroys-isis-hq-building-using-social-media << mega-l0l
1154177;1433453802;trinque;amounts to building a pillow fort in your living room
1154178;1433453805;trinque;thestringpuller: ^
1154179;1433453889;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154125 << the ones that are, at any rate.
1154180;1433453889;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 19:45:13; fluffypony: "former serial murderer serving life in prison says other serial murderers are 'going to be in prison' eventually"
1154181;1433453939;thestringpuller;trinque: yea which, in my eyes, illuminates the underlying problem that is not solved: consistent configuration from one environment to the next.
1154182;1433453955;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude who the fuck is that gbanga fellow. responding to himself nao...
1154183;1433453978;thestringpuller;docker does this in a way similar to floppy drive press enter to boot kinda deal
1154184;1433453980;trinque;thestringpuller: needs something with a declared schema, referential integrity, other fancy things from rdbms land
1154185;1433454003;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have absolutely no idea
1154186;1433454018;trinque;thestringpuller: "show me all the config items which make reference to a hostname"
1154187;1433454020;mircea_popescu;weird.
1154188;1433454032;thestringpuller;ah. well even on a lower level, like for instance going from a local Apache instance (running on iface 127.0.0.1) then running it on prod.
1154189;1433454038;thestringpuller;As you've just said.
1154190;1433454047;trinque;yep, nobody has any fucking idea what the structure of /etc is
1154191;1433454048;mircea_popescu;20302310412919 / 4294967297 = 4727
1154192;1433454057;trinque;you just munge things out with sed/awk/grep and call it good
1154193;1433454064;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1154194;1433454071;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's in magic98 yes
1154195;1433454076;trinque;course it runs into every problem anyone ever made a terrible XML thing for
1154196;1433454088;thestringpuller;trinque: yup. Puppet did an "okay" job of managing the config scheme among multiple machines in a single environment.
1154197;1433454109;thestringpuller;But alas doesn't really solve the underlying problem imo.
1154198;1433454111;trinque;I have a vague inkling that CLOS can be used for things I use RDBMS for, but I am not there yet
1154199;1433454112;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but 4727 = 29 * 163 which are primes
1154200;1433454120;mircea_popescu;kidna highest "natural" prime yet huh.
1154201;1433454129;mircea_popescu;10100011
1154202;1433454134;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: essentially the results of random integer n
1154203;1433454141;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1154204;1433454143;ascii_field;(once you mutilate n, all bets are off)
1154205;1433454151;mircea_popescu;of course... one never knows if something really is random
1154206;1433454175;ascii_field;'random' in the strict sense of -not- being a product of carefully selected long primes p and q passing various tests
1154207;1433454189;mircea_popescu;trinque imagine my surprise when i discovered that gimp actually uses scheme as a scripting language.
1154208;1433454193;ascii_field;-could- turn out to be one anyway if the gods were to smile
1154209;1433454193;thestringpuller;trinque: CLOS is above my understanding. I'm more of practical computing
1154210;1433454209;ascii_field;but sooner operator will be struck by lightning 10e10 times
1154211;1433454210;trinque;mircea_popescu: may have been the first time I encountered a lispy thing in the wild
1154212;1433454217;mircea_popescu;ah you saw it too ?
1154213;1433454230;trinque;think so, long ago; I don't do much graphics stuff
1154214;1433454234;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it has 'guile' baked in, yes
1154215;1433454249;trinque;I was adding sweet flames to text or something
1154216;1433454252;ascii_field;phun phact: it is the official gnu extension language, for what it's worth
1154217;1433454260;thestringpuller;and yet no one uses GIMP in real life unless they are poor and/or hate Adobe.
1154218;1433454267;*;ascii_field uses it
1154219;1433454286;ascii_field;the hell i'm gonna spin up a winblows box just to edit a graphic
1154220;1433454292;trinque;^
1154221;1433454311;thestringpuller;I was talking about media in the wild vs. personal usage.
1154222;1433454326;thestringpuller;i.e. never seen "GIMP" listed in the credits of a movie.
1154223;1433454380;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller im pretty sure everyone half competent uses gimp.
1154224;1433454414;ascii_field;'arts types' famously pray on photoshit
1154225;1433454441;mircea_popescu;i've yet to encounter a competent "arts types".
1154226;1433454453;ascii_field;(among things missing from 'gimp' is, at least last i saw, support for pressure-sensitive input gizmos like 'wacom')
1154227;1433454462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00034869 = 14.7322 BTC [+] {2} 
1154228;1433454469;mircea_popescu;and i get it, most hipsters with ephebe beards and starbucks paper cups use macs.
1154229;1433454475;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: that's because logical competency and art don't go together. better trying to mix oil and water.
1154230;1433454477;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, competent coders are not on that thing
1154231;1433454485;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i meant art competency.
1154232;1433454495;mircea_popescu;as opposed to competency at pretending like one's involved in art.
1154233;1433454508;mircea_popescu;dali's on gimp.
1154234;1433454508;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the closest approximation to a usable laptop is (or was) sold by apple
1154235;1433454519;ascii_field;just ask ben_vulpes
1154236;1433454528;mircea_popescu;laptops are for chicks too worn out to fit normal dildoes anymore.
1154237;1433454551;trinque;lol
1154238;1433454556;trinque;this is certainly the last I'll purchase
1154239;1433454559;*;ascii_field got tired of the gymnastics of maintaining an apple box to be somewhat usably posixy/x11y - and is now on an 'unusable' laptop
1154240;1433454570;trinque;and I'd be happy to replace it with something that was basically a terminal emulator with a nic
1154241;1433454593;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdrr7acbEl1ruwje9o1_1280.jpg
1154242;1433454595;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHBIAL )
1154243;1433454602;trinque;ascii_field: wasted way too much time getting a gentoo tuned on a mac
1154244;1433454614;ascii_field;trinque: total, utter waste of time
1154245;1433454624;ascii_field;whole fucking point is that os is shipped by same folks who made the iron
1154246;1433454635;ascii_field;and there are no 'small' but intolerable driver imperfections
1154247;1433454643;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: the starbucks hipster is usually the unemployable art school student. the employable ones don't complain about tools since they just fill out PO's until they find one they like.
1154248;1433454645;ascii_field;like suspend mode where battery continues to drain, etc
1154249;1433454650;trinque;ascii_field: yeah ask me how my wifi behaved
1154250;1433454655;trinque;wait. don't bother
1154251;1433454666;trinque;was a retina mac, and I dropped it and smashed the shit out of the screen
1154252;1433454672;ascii_field;thestringpuller: 'fill out PO's until they find one they like' in my case resulted in a mountain of garbage
1154253;1433454675;ascii_field;and no closer to 'like
1154254;1433454676;ascii_field;'
1154255;1433454714;ascii_field;trinque: retina mac, and I dropped it and smashed the shit out of the screen << colleague of mine had one which cracked, in front of my eyes, by itself
1154256;1433454726;ascii_field;he tried to return it, 2 wks old, apple told him to piss off
1154257;1433454758;trinque;yeah, their strategy seems to be make something fragile, call it a tool, laugh arse off when the customer realizes it's not
1154258;1433454801;trinque;meanwhile I dropped my old black macbook down stairs twice, did fine
1154259;1433454828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00034177 = 6.2202 BTC [-]
1154260;1433454886;thestringpuller;trinque: you were that kid who managed to break a gameboy weren't you?
1154261;1433454903;thestringpuller;ascii_field: wait you're a professional artist?
1154262;1433454903;trinque;nah my gameboy did alright, but I've shattered a few game controllers
1154263;1433454914;ascii_field;thestringpuller: nope
1154264;1433454936;ascii_field;thestringpuller: why did you suppose i could be one ?
1154265;1433454937;trinque;thestringpuller: my dell inspiron waffle iron was on purpose, fell a couple stories
1154266;1433455011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122644 @ 0.00033816 = 41.4733 BTC [-] {2} 
1154267;1433455014;thestringpuller;ascii_field: maybe it's a well kept secret. asciilifeform master artist, with some pseudonym none of us know.
1154268;1433455045;ascii_field;[obligatory woodcollector ref]
1154269;1433455621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.2055 = 1.0275 BTC [+]
1154270;1433456051;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1154271;1433457207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116750 @ 0.00034871 = 40.7119 BTC [+] {2} 
1154272;1433457634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00034871 = 7.846 BTC [+]
1154273;1433458244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78121 @ 0.00033421 = 26.1088 BTC [-] {2} 
1154274;1433460316;scoopbot_revived;5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/5-simple-rules-for-blogging-linking-to-sources-commenting-and-generally-making-sense-on-the-internet/
1154275;1433460501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110350 @ 0.00034046 = 37.5698 BTC [+] {2} 
1154276;1433460617;mod6;Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
1154277;1433460982;BingoBoingo;Cool
1154278;1433460992;BingoBoingo;That seemed fast
1154279;1433461355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00034877 = 15.5377 BTC [+] {2} 
1154280;1433461410;mod6;BingoBoingo: eh, i think it was about the same, just a minute about to create charts and push to web.
1154281;1433461962;*;BingoBoingo used to sync being an ~1 month affair
1154282;1433462521;mircea_popescu;.
1154283;1433462591;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154276 << woot!
1154284;1433462591;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 23:30:17; mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
1154285;1433462640;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron 15:26:55 <@Samsai> oh, that game << holy shit, everyone knows ?!
1154286;1433462712;mircea_popescu;oh i just derps derping, kay.
1154287;1433462941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34749 @ 0.00034038 = 11.8279 BTC [-]
1154288;1433463023;mod6;ok here are the charts, looks like it took about 7 days: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/
1154289;1433463025;assbot;Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMJbN )
1154290;1433463082;mircea_popescu;impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
1154291;1433463133;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Process_Switches.png esp that coupled with the 0 faults omg.
1154292;1433463133;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMNrO )
1154293;1433463134;mod6;wow! yeah, this one didn't hit the OOM-Kill either, ran good the whole time without problems.
1154294;1433463169;mod6;yup exactly.
1154295;1433463216;trinque;very nice!
1154296;1433463299;mod6;memory usage graph looks very similar to the previous run with the OrphanageThermonuke graph. That's expected, but just sayin'.  Lookin good.
1154297;1433463307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105767 @ 0.00034022 = 35.984 BTC [-] {2} 
1154298;1433463346;mircea_popescu;ya.
1154299;1433463521;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2473
1154300;1433463522;assbot;JL: ‘Life Under Tannika Crow?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYNcdR )
1154301;1433463612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00034911 = 12.76 BTC [+]
1154302;1433463918;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=577
1154303;1433463920;assbot;JL: Narco Night Train ... ( http://bit.ly/1dQFoG0 )
1154304;1433464036;ben_vulpes;kakow, mod6
1154305;1433464074;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154290 << l0ltr0nic!
1154306;1433464074;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 00:11:22; mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
1154307;1433464081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ^ better how?
1154308;1433464135;mircea_popescu;moar reliable, for one o.O
1154309;1433464138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified.
1154310;1433464158;mircea_popescu;i do not think i have seen a full sync with 0 pagefaults yuet
1154311;1433464386;*;asciilifeform shudders that this set of graph axes exists: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Page_Faults.png
1154312;1433464387;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO2HL )
1154313;1433464391;asciilifeform;'page faults / second'
1154314;1433464413;asciilifeform;who runs -what- that generates multiple page faults / hour, much less second ?
1154315;1433464417;mod6;yeah, previous test with only OrphanageThermonuke did have at least one spot where a "major pagefault" was detected: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke/20150512/Page_Faults.png
1154316;1433464417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO4PP )
1154317;1433464435;asciilifeform;mod6: do we know in what process ?
1154318;1433464450;asciilifeform;if it was bitcoind, i want the crash dump
1154319;1433464458;asciilifeform;and that'd be pretty major
1154320;1433464485;mod6;no, it's system level. all I can tell you is all that is running as far as 3rd party things are: bitcoind & nmon, otherwise i've had `vmstat 1` going.
1154321;1433464501;asciilifeform;http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Memory.png << reasonably flat. but the 'whole machine' stats thing is a terrible kludge imho
1154322;1433464502;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYObe6 )
1154323;1433464507;asciilifeform;gotta pick on just bitcoind
1154324;1433464508;mod6;i'll continue to do more testing. we'll hopefully get something out of it.
1154325;1433464516;asciilifeform;still neat pics
1154326;1433464533;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, i agree.  it's not great, but it's something.
1154327;1433464546;mod6;im gonna try some profiles this month.
1154328;1433464549;asciilifeform;mod6: see if you can pluck the total # out of igprof
1154329;1433464560;asciilifeform;i posted instructions for having it crap those out, i think
1154330;1433464584;mod6;yup, will get to it... hopefully :]  lot of things to work though this month.
1154331;1433464614;asciilifeform;in other news...
1154332;1433464615;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ED61BA9F1483495BAB2CB60A5C9BE858F5C2B37C9856BDEE024A8C5518EB421
1154333;1433464619;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOgOS )
1154334;1433464649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00034924 = 31.3792 BTC [+] {2} 
1154335;1433464661;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified. << we'll get there.  I'd like to have a discussion at some point about the possible negitive effects of at least the TX Orphanage Amputation patch.
1154336;1433464687;mod6;But so far, I feel good that these two patches fully sync'd and with some reasonable results.
1154337;1433464690;asciilifeform;mod6: if you have an essay-length treatise on this, might be better to drop it in the mailing list
1154338;1433464693;asciilifeform;otherwise here works
1154339;1433464700;BingoBoingo;Damn, a double phuct'
1154340;1433464717;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that was, i think, another 'magic list' item
1154341;1433464724;mod6;yeah, i think just in here, we can discuss.  be better for me to spend a bit of time thinking about it for a day or two.. sometime this week maybe.
1154342;1433464725;BingoBoingo;Ah
1154343;1433464735;mod6;ben_vulpes: should read up on this too ^^
1154344;1433464755;asciilifeform;mod6: notably, bitcoind 0.5.3 stock actually had the orphan tx cache limit
1154345;1433464766;asciilifeform;but i nuked the cache entirely in the interest of reducing fragging
1154346;1433464789;asciilifeform;what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect.
1154347;1433464834;asciilifeform;the other effect of nuking the tx orphanage is zapping the obvious ddos vector of folks crapping deliberately spurious tx into a node
1154348;1433464858;asciilifeform;in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage'
1154349;1433464907;asciilifeform;the very notion of storing things which 'might be verifiable later' runs against the overall flavour of a mechanism designed to face a -maximally- hostile universe
1154350;1433464925;mod6;sure.  i was kinda wondering about the converse side where there is an orphaned TX, and then what?  guy just resends?
1154351;1433464931;asciilifeform;where every other node is a gavinous abomination
1154352;1433464951;asciilifeform;mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
1154353;1433464951;BingoBoingo;Last I checked Hearn still breathes so universe is still maximally hostile.
1154354;1433464968;mod6;hah
1154355;1433464980;asciilifeform;consider the actual scenario whereby a tx is 'orphan'
1154356;1433464997;asciilifeform;i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ?
1154357;1433465020;mod6;asciilifeform: ok. i'll have to think on that a bit more. i wanna be sure of what these changes imply.  anyway, a guy can always patch his own if he wishes in the mean time.
1154358;1433465026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 30064771079/4294967297 =... 7. so now we also have 7.
1154359;1433465044;mircea_popescu;i am persuaded pretty much every prime up to 1k or so is present in the whole set.
1154360;1433465055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a statistical certainty
1154361;1433465075;mircea_popescu;ye
1154362;1433465085;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ? << right, some sort of malformed tx or one that has some weird time in the tx that makes it get rejected or some such thing.
1154363;1433465105;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage' << i agree with the wisdom of this, for the reasons stated.
1154364;1433465110;asciilifeform;mod6: it is absolutely essential to understand the mechanics
1154365;1433465154;mod6;more over, is there a "normal" situation that arises where a guy is trying to create a transaction and it becomes an orphan?  his system time is off? many things i suppose...
1154366;1433465157;asciilifeform;an 'orphan tx' is simply one which references a tx which is not yet seen
1154367;1433465187;asciilifeform;this can happen if multiple interdependent tx are sent in quick succession
1154368;1433465242;asciilifeform;say, from a robotic 'hot wallet'
1154369;1433465268;mod6;so [A_tx]<-[B_tx] are both sent
1154370;1433465308;mod6;B is recieved before A, so B is 'orphan'
1154371;1433465311;asciilifeform;if no one had an orphan tx cache at all, the robot would be the only one broadcasting B until A is in a block.
1154372;1433465324;asciilifeform;no one would rebroadcast it for him
1154373;1433465330;asciilifeform;because it could be a work of fiction
1154374;1433465344;mod6;ok
1154375;1433465376;asciilifeform;whereas right now there is 'benefit of the doubt', largely harmless because 1) 'everyone' has infinite ram 2) no one is crapping out spurious tx in earnest
1154376;1433465377;mod6;yeah, like i said, i gotta look into it. :]
1154377;1433465393;mircea_popescu;practically, this might put a dent in dice type services, in the sense that it'd slow them down by ~10 minutes
1154378;1433465398;mircea_popescu;not sure this is terribru
1154379;1433465428;asciilifeform;'CoinJoin' will also die.
1154380;1433465432;BingoBoingo;Kinda why listable Satoshidice worked as it did
1154381;1433465484;asciilifeform;as far as i'm concerned, nuking the tx orphanage cuts away some of the remaining 'promise' crud from the protocol, leaving the cold metal for which i for one love it
1154382;1433465494;asciilifeform;i will not cry for the 'promises'
1154383;1433465573;asciilifeform;also note that you (node) are free to broadcast a tx that refers to a not-yet-in-block tx. just that other people will throw it straight to dev null
1154384;1433465575;mircea_popescu;coinjoin is not even stupid it's so fucking dumb.
1154385;1433465581;asciilifeform;aha
1154386;1433465594;mircea_popescu;let's stick to considering things that have a shot at making sense.
1154387;1433465595;asciilifeform;srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it
1154388;1433465646;asciilifeform;the implications of requiring a tx to refer -only- to tx in blocks in order to be rebroadcastable can be described exhaustively
1154389;1433465654;asciilifeform;we may have already done so - or not
1154390;1433465661;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it << Coders are like asparagus in this way. They love their easy nitrogen and phosphorous
1154391;1433465676;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'll be running this too.
1154392;1433465693;mircea_popescu;see if anyone can spot a problem with it.
1154393;1433465697;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if running tests, consider the igprof patch
1154394;1433465702;asciilifeform;it is very very spiffy
1154395;1433465712;mircea_popescu;mp is still not a coder. his magics lie elsewhere.
1154396;1433465714;asciilifeform;needless to say, do not use in battlefield conditions
1154397;1433465719;asciilifeform;(for one thing, it brings in dl)
1154398;1433465742;mircea_popescu;ima think about this while playing go with people who are also thinking about this, how's that.
1154399;1433465748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.20538785 = 3.0808 BTC [-]
1154400;1433465749;asciilifeform;l0l
1154401;1433465755;*;asciilifeform reminded that pet is awaiting petting
1154402;1433465765;*;asciilifeform bbl
1154403;1433465765;mircea_popescu;(if anyone's not yet tried this - do. the master form of the twin study jew thing)
1154404;1433465870;*;BingoBoingo prolly ought to move the La Fonde guy from bi-weekly to daily reading http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2453
1154405;1433465871;assbot;JL: AVD Combatives ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaM5Ui )
1154406;1433465915;mod6;ok back. yeah, so... I'll dig into this for sure here this month.  Hopefully sooner, rather than later.  I wanna make sure the whole thing 'fits in head' before we move forward.  But so far, looking good.
1154407;1433465956;mod6;Also, i believe that the removal of the dnsseed is going to be on the docket as well.  but again, we'll see how it goes.
1154408;1433465990;mircea_popescu;mod6 i don't recall, is that patch written yet ?
1154409;1433466009;mod6;yeah, alf submitted it back in feb i think.
1154410;1433466011;*;mod6 finds.
1154411;1433466063;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html
1154412;1433466064;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMl5N )
1154413;1433466144;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/04/us-cybersecurity-usa-idUSKBN0OK2IK20150604 << "The last few months have seen a series of massive data breaches that have affected millions of Americans," U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in a statement.
1154414;1433466144;assbot;      Cyber attack hits 4 million current, former U.S. federal workers| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMoOV )
1154415;1433466145;trinque;bahahahahaha
1154416;1433466156;trinque;ah crap wrong quote
1154417;1433466162;BingoBoingo;"As for your opinion that they have a ‘right’ to safely meet, I disagree. I do not believe in rights. A right is a privilege that is enforced by a violent third party action. Rights are by definition cowardice as social artifice. " http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1974&pr=0 << Tis like a Traimatic brain injury MP
1154418;1433466164;assbot;JL: ‘Are The Counter-Currents People Cowards?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMplX )
1154419;1433466164;trinque;But he called the latest intrusion "among the most shocking because Americans may expect that federal computer networks are maintained with state of the art defenses."
1154420;1433466207;mod6;However, this could be tabled until later; when we add in a previously discussed #b-a certified seed discovery mechanism.
1154421;1433466271;BingoBoingo;gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan
1154422;1433466299;mircea_popescu;trinque this entire bullshit "defenses" conceptualization. as if you know, it's tower defense, and you gotta upgrade the fire mage tower.
1154423;1433466301;mircea_popescu;idiots already.
1154424;1433466307;trinque;I love it
1154425;1433466307;scoopbot_revived;MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/
1154426;1433466316;trinque;BingoBoingo: how hard is it?
1154427;1433466325;trinque;I've thought maybe tinc might be a starting place
1154428;1433466374;trinque;happens to use RSA keys and handle fancy topologies
1154429;1433466385;BingoBoingo;trinque: I'm not the implementer, but last word on the subject was that the implementer was working on developing a master of the moving parts first which is admirable
1154430;1433466418;trinque;cool; he should hang around more
1154431;1433466541;BingoBoingo;trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots
1154432;1433466601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.20538785 = 2.2593 BTC [-]
1154433;1433466602;trinque;it is most certainly something to get right.
1154434;1433466659;BingoBoingo;!up punkman1
1154435;1433466723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132073 @ 0.00034761 = 45.9099 BTC [-]
1154436;1433467089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00034298 = 5.4534 BTC [-] {2} 
1154437;1433467333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4127 @ 0.00028389 = 1.1716 BTC [-]
1154438;1433467394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00034929 = 8.6275 BTC [+]
1154439;1433467959;BingoBoingo;!t m s.qntr
1154440;1433467960;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
1154441;1433467980;BingoBoingo;!t m s.bbet
1154442;1433467980;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00008 / 0.00008 / 0.00008 (300 shares, 0.02 BTC), 30D: 0.00006 / 0.00006491 / 0.0002 (115300 shares, 7.49 BTC)
1154443;1433467989;decimation;;;ticker
1154444;1433467990;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.32, Best ask: 223.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 223.35, 24 hour volume: 11501.2850445, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 225.77, 24 hour vwap: None
1154445;1433468008;decimation;btc/usd has been remarkably stable
1154446;1433468057;decimation;http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-06/uovh-mlf052915.php < apparently it has only just been discovered that the lymph system is connected directly to the brain
1154447;1433468058;assbot;Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications | EurekAlert! Science News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQQPr6 )
1154448;1433468216;BingoBoingo;decimation: It truly has for all of 2015 thus far
1154449;1433468217;mircea_popescu;decimation the reporting on that thing is perhaps the best example of how confused "science news" works.
1154450;1433468231;decimation;heh yeah
1154451;1433468246;decimation;they can't just report the facts, gotta make it some sorta drama
1154452;1433468248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.20538785 = 4.5185 BTC [-]
1154453;1433468261;BingoBoingo;<assbot> Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications << I'm not sure this is news
1154454;1433468301;decimation;it would have been useful to have a link to the paper
1154455;1433468302;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo read the piece, it's like kindergartners wrote it. not a single fact in there.
1154456;1433468370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.20538785 = 1.8485 BTC [-]
1154457;1433468428;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I've read it and 3 others, some of which bring up what the publication contained. Basically boils down to "OMG When CSF dries up it goes the same place every other fluid does!!! OMG this connection works both ways!!!" The only thing newis is they managed to image this system, because soft tissue imagine is hard
1154458;1433468492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19633 @ 0.00034128 = 6.7004 BTC [-]
1154459;1433468568;decimation;https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/29/denny-hastert-highly-unsympathetic-face-americas-criminalization-pathology/ < heh
1154460;1433468570;assbot;Denny Hastert is Contemptible, But His Indictment Exemplifies America's Over-Criminalization Pathology - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQRpoK )
1154461;1433468592;decimation;"In the indictment, the DOJ made the decision not to expressly specify the ?past misconduct? Hastert sought to conceal. Nonetheless, federal law enforcement officials apparently spent the day running around leaking to media outlets what the indictment worked hard to insinuate: that ?Hastert paid a man to conceal sexual misconduct while the man was a student at the high school where Hastert taught.? "
1154462;1433468648;BingoBoingo;The extent of the lymphatic system has always been a bit nebulous because it tends to deflate more destructively in the un-alive. Still since most people manage to go through life without hydrocephalus it can be assumed to interact with the CNS.
1154463;1433468693;mircea_popescu;e entered Congress in 1987 with a net worth of no more than $270,000 and then exited worth somewhere between $4 million and $17 million [...] alleged, unspecified “past misconduct” against an unnamed person to whom he agreed to pay $3.5 million to keep concealed.
1154464;1433468699;decimation;http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14432.html < here's the real paper
1154465;1433468701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FztLci )
1154466;1433468714;mircea_popescu;oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ?
1154467;1433468723;mircea_popescu;what is this, idiotlandia ?
1154468;1433468744;decimation;mircea_popescu: read the indictment
1154469;1433468757;decimation;he is facing the court because... he didn't tell usg what he was spending his money on
1154470;1433468763;decimation;that's it
1154471;1433468783;mircea_popescu;yes yes. not getting into any of that.
1154472;1433468797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67252 @ 0.00034929 = 23.4905 BTC [+]
1154473;1433468797;mircea_popescu;just... fucking usg numbers. they make as much sense as a pancake rabbit with a peanut on its head
1154474;1433468810;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ? << He left office to lobby his networth expanded fast then.
1154475;1433468823;BingoBoingo;But the expansion isn't public because no longer elected
1154476;1433468858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136000 @ 0.00034352 = 46.7187 BTC [-] {3} 
1154477;1433468917;BingoBoingo;Fuck, everything is wrong with the world today and only canada backpack guy has new-fax relevant to BTC
1154478;1433468918;mircea_popescu;i guess...
1154479;1433468987;williamdunne;Some famous shithead here in the UK has been saying how she'll happily pay 70% taxes to keep meh public services open
1154480;1433469008;williamdunne;On a similar note, just got tipped 0.3 BTC on reddit
1154481;1433469039;trinque;damn son, that's an xbox game right there
1154482;1433469050;williamdunne;IKR? Beats 0.05 cents
1154483;1433469165;mircea_popescu;most live nude girls work for less / set.
1154484;1433469206;trinque;BingoBoingo: could always be worse; this guy has to whore out his monkey to eat http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746280
1154485;1433469243;mircea_popescu;in the same news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcetwo4Wqh1r3si7eo1_500.gif
1154486;1433469245;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQSm0v )
1154487;1433469248;BingoBoingo;trinque: Let me guess, its last name is Jenner?
1154488;1433469303;williamdunne;She looks better than the monkey, thats cheating MP
1154489;1433469320;trinque;lol
1154490;1433469332;trinque;chick's got a great expression there
1154491;1433469483;trinque;http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746290&w=976 reuters has some decent lols this week
1154492;1433469485;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzwv9F )
1154493;1433469498;trinque;chinese guy was gonna jump I guess, his mother found dead inside
1154494;1433469520;trinque;looks like a great place to live; I can't imagine why
1154495;1433469641;mircea_popescu;on the same great expression trend, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcaqbjOfzi1qkcds1o1_1280.jpg
1154496;1433469643;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzx57n )
1154497;1433469742;trinque;chick's immaculate; I approve
1154498;1433469754;mircea_popescu;!t m s.qntr
1154499;1433469754;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
1154500;1433469783;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00032831 *  239624
1154501;1433469784;gribble;78.67095544
1154502;1433469825;mircea_popescu;on one hand, internet's best journalism < 100 btc. on the other hand, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-06-2015#1152577
1154503;1433469825;assbot;Logged on 03-06-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid
1154504;1433469830;williamdunne;trinque: Tasha Reign I think
1154505;1433469833;*;mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
1154506;1433469867;trinque;williamdunne: nice
1154507;1433469885;mircea_popescu;williamdunne holy shit you knbow em that well ?
1154508;1433469898;williamdunne;I'm a teenage boy, what do you expect?
1154509;1433469926;trinque;heh, I was good friends with a guy in HS that had comparable encyclopedic knowledge of porn stars
1154510;1433469929;williamdunne;But she is particularly memorable
1154511;1433469939;trinque;back when loading up your external hard drive had a point
1154512;1433470133;decimation;mircea_popescu: that patagonia is overvalued?
1154513;1433470187;mircea_popescu;decimation or that old money is doomed, today as much as 2015 bc
1154514;1433470600;pete_dushenski;ahoy !
1154515;1433470632;pete_dushenski;o man this derpy torontonian made my afternoon :)
1154516;1433470691;pete_dushenski;the only thing more fun than a proper roasting is when the victim squirms on the spit.
1154517;1433470755;pete_dushenski;the net result is that i'm pretty sure i popped my "please to take down mean words" cherry today
1154518;1433470840;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/5-simple-rules-for-blogging-linking-to-sources-commenting-and-generally-making-sense-on-the-internet/ << outlined in "update" for those interested
1154519;1433470841;assbot;5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet.  | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUsgK )
1154520;1433470993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00034052 = 27.6162 BTC [-]
1154521;1433471054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104823 @ 0.00034929 = 36.6136 BTC [+]
1154522;1433471134;decimation;pete_dushenski: your jaron lanier post was amusing
1154523;1433471147;pete_dushenski;cheers :D
1154524;1433471202;pete_dushenski;i guess i managed to find a thread to pull on from his nebulous ball of rastayarn.
1154525;1433471230;decimation;heh yeah
1154526;1433471248;pete_dushenski;!s gbanga
1154527;1433471249;assbot;1 results for 'gbanga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gbanga
1154528;1433471280;pete_dushenski;ah, i'm not the only one wondering who the fuck he is lol
1154529;1433471322;BingoBoingo;Got a catch phrase so maybe a channer?
1154530;1433471363;pete_dushenski;i had thought it might've been Pierre_Rochard at first, but after today, i gotta rule him out.
1154531;1433471389;pete_dushenski;a channer would've brought up details about an article... in chan.
1154532;1433471402;pete_dushenski;s/article/source
1154533;1433471678;*;pete_dushenski is bemusedly reading http://danielpbarron.com/gamingonlinux.txt
1154534;1433471679;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQVARw )
1154535;1433471759;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not channer as in this chan, channer by the classical definition: an imageboard enthusiast
1154536;1433471817;pete_dushenski;ah well that's certainly possible
1154537;1433471871;pete_dushenski;you may be on to something there, even if that doesn't leave us closer to figuring out who he is.
1154538;1433471883;pete_dushenski;though i suppose you have an e-mail address from the comments ?
1154539;1433472079;williamdunne;So when do people start publicly executing police officers? https://www.youtube.com/watchv=01ZwvYqMRhQ
1154540;1433472080;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQW75Z )
1154541;1433472124;williamdunne;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZwvYqMRhQ
1154542;1433472125;assbot;#Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQWbCJ )
1154543;1433472132;williamdunne;Fixed link
1154544;1433472218;pete_dushenski;rough..
1154545;1433472355;williamdunne;Reaching into the pocket his audio cable was coming from was a clear display of threat
1154546;1433472447;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not a useful one, and it would be poor form to expose it if it was.
1154547;1433472450;pete_dushenski;ya never know, the jesters calling themselves judges just might agree
1154548;1433472464;pete_dushenski;^williamdunne
1154549;1433472477;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: totally agree.
1154550;1433472515;pete_dushenski;but if you recognised it from the wot, you'd obviously know, is all.
1154551;1433472538;williamdunne;Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
1154552;1433472586;williamdunne;"This mandate is without limitation; and is deemed valid by the company regardless of the opinion or
1154553;1433472586;williamdunne;declaration of any third­party, regardless of what title they choose fashion themselves with." There we go
1154554;1433472647;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: what board is this now ?
1154555;1433472675;williamdunne;Exchange
1154556;1433472685;williamdunne;Nothing I'd expect anyone to know about yet :)
1154557;1433472701;pete_dushenski;o right, WDEx !
1154558;1433472745;pete_dushenski;might be confused with winkdex though.
1154559;1433472754;williamdunne;Not quite, MIMEX, but not awfully far off it
1154560;1433472772;decimation;where is the winklevoss etf by the way
1154561;1433472775;decimation;it's like 2 years late
1154562;1433472781;williamdunne;While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
1154563;1433472813;pete_dushenski;decimation: on the diamond train, 2 years might as well be 2 minutes too late
1154564;1433472823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.00035012 = 40.9465 BTC [+] {3} 
1154565;1433472847;decimation;yeah exactly
1154566;1433472853;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
1154567;1433472854;assbot; FBI official: Companies should help us ‘prevent encryption above all else’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIdIgE )
1154568;1433472922;williamdunne;wasn't it suspected that the SEC (or was it CFTC, or was it both? God knows) wasn't too amused with the fact that all of the exchanges are not regulated and based in God's favourite country?
1154569;1433472944;decimation;yeah well that was always suspected
1154570;1433472951;decimation;but nobody has come forward with facts as far as I know
1154571;1433472968;pete_dushenski;decimation: i can imagine employers shaking their 'devil hand' symbols at employees using unapproved encryption
1154572;1433473034;pete_dushenski;http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs/pope_ratzinger-satan_sign.jpg << as displayed by this hitler youth feller
1154573;1433473035;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQXIJ8 )
1154574;1433473066;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154505 << trivial. same reason usg isn't burying any of us alive in freshly-printed benjies
1154575;1433473066;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 02:03:53; *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
1154576;1433473070;asciilifeform;or for that matter gasenwagen
1154577;1433473076;*;pete_dushenski wonders where duckduckgo finds these photos.
1154578;1433473097;asciilifeform;they're still following the 'close your eyes and the room will go dark' algo.
1154579;1433473136;decimation;pete_dushenski: heh
1154580;1433473167;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: careful with that "it's not just my fault" approach. look where it got fatso. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151445
1154581;1433473167;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"
1154582;1433473204;decimation;asciilifeform: one thing I was thinking the other day - now many women are in the workforce instead of at home - but because the number of dollars is not constant, all that has resulted is that both parents are on the treadmill
1154583;1433473208;decimation;instead of only one
1154584;1433473222;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: it's a contagious condition, this eyes closing = tikkun olam shtick
1154585;1433473225;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Not yet convinced, while he is responsible I do think there must have been a malicious third party involved which I suspect to be the USG
1154586;1433473227;asciilifeform;decimation: this realization is at least a century old
1154587;1433473264;decimation;100 years ago people who owned a house could also afford at least one or two servants to help with childcare/home
1154588;1433473288;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: that's not really the point here. the point is that he's the one of the hook. fatso's von flondor.
1154589;1433473306;williamdunne;Oh for sure, not questioning that at all
1154590;1433473344;williamdunne;One of the main things I've been focusing on is getting as many degrees of separation as reasonably possible from USG
1154591;1433473361;decimation;http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678 < not a bad college plan
1154592;1433473363;assbot;How US students get a university degree for free in Germany - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQY9TG )
1154593;1433473366;pete_dushenski;ok then. so... be mindful of who you're associating yourself with, is all. and what you're the face of, regardless of its apparent usg-icity to you.
1154594;1433473383;pete_dushenski;^williamdunne again !
1154595;1433473410;pete_dushenski;1. it might not be readily apparent what is and is not 'usg' from your vantage point.
1154596;1433473424;pete_dushenski;2. that's not the only landmine in the world.
1154597;1433473451;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Indeed. Outside of fiat which is impossible to keep sole control of, I am responsible for funds. If something were to go wrong it would be my head on the pike.
1154598;1433473453;williamdunne;But yeah
1154599;1433473455;pete_dushenski;is ver 'usg' or just a fucking retard ? doesn't really matter, does it.
1154600;1433473458;williamdunne;Plenty of risks involved
1154601;1433473528;pete_dushenski;so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
1154602;1433473549;williamdunne;No no no
1154603;1433473559;pete_dushenski;not that i'm suggesting 'key escrow'
1154604;1433473569;williamdunne;fiat I can't control because I'm not both the bank and the central bank
1154605;1433473585;williamdunne;But I am the account signatory
1154606;1433473608;asciilifeform;williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
1154607;1433473634;asciilifeform;!up KRS1
1154608;1433473647;KRS1;thanks
1154609;1433473686;KRS1;Can you spare just 1 BTC? Ranji is a 9yr old boy living in Namibia. He has only 1 leg, 1 arm and 1 eye. Each day he has to ride 7 miles to school along a narrow road on a rusty bike with bent wheels, no brakes and only 1 pedal.
1154610;1433473699;asciilifeform;l0l
1154611;1433473706;pete_dushenski;KRS1: address ?
1154612;1433473709;KRS1;If you send me just 1 BTC I will send you the video. Its fuckin' hilarious!
1154613;1433473723;pete_dushenski;aw... he left.
1154614;1433473724;decimation;meowmix?
1154615;1433473727;williamdunne;1 BTC will hire the local village drunk to bludgeon him with a stone, to put the poor child out of his misery
1154616;1433473733;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << the whole 'clipper chip affair reloaded!' thing is half of a classical 'good cop/bad cop' act
1154617;1433473733;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
1154618;1433473737;danielpbarron;i recognize that name, possibly from otc
1154619;1433473754;asciilifeform;decimation: chumpers are to think, presumably, that if 'big bad fbi' 'hates crypto' therefore 'buy redphone!'
1154620;1433473759;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, but I don't think it's an act
1154621;1433473776;decimation;I suspect there are people in usg who hold his views exactly
1154622;1433473777;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: he's been here before. i assumed he was kidding !
1154623;1433473783;asciilifeform;decimation: the actors in the act are the best kind, from the standpoint of the muppetmasters - they don't know they are actors, likely
1154624;1433473793;danielpbarron;williamdunne, you got my latertell ok?
1154625;1433473794;trinque;I'd watch that video, got 0.001 BTC on it
1154626;1433473805;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Did thanks, think you got one in return
1154627;1433473816;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: i dunno who's rougher now, you or that cop ;)
1154628;1433473820;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
1154629;1433473838;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: THE COP WAS JUSTIFIED, DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN
1154630;1433473846;williamdunne;yeah, thats what I thought
1154631;1433473846;danielpbarron;ah, stupid gribble doesn't send it till i send him a command
1154632;1433473853;asciilifeform;decimation: i still had a scrap of doubt about zimmerman's betrayal all the way until i got into a d.c. metro car plastered, literally floor to ceiling, with 'redphone' ads.
1154633;1433473866;williamdunne;danielpbarron: Deaf and dumb robots
1154634;1433473906;asciilifeform;the notion that this would be permitted were he not a usg asset, or that his little shop of horrors could afford the fee, is sheer lunacy
1154635;1433473912;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: could be worse, could be lanier pumping the windoze phoenz
1154636;1433473928;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: who the hell cares what a transparent shill does
1154637;1433473930;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: did i say he wasn't ?
1154638;1433473940;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: heavily implied ;)
1154639;1433473958;asciilifeform;(for non-mordor folks, i will add that the entire train, and in fact all the trains i was in that day, had the same ads)
1154640;1433473963;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: people who buy redphone, i suppose.
1154641;1433473982;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: naturally
1154642;1433474052;decimation;https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/ <
1154643;1433474054;assbot;The purpose of absurdity | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIfr5A )
1154644;1433474128;decimation;Zhao Gao knew how to play the actors
1154645;1433474135;asciilifeform;decimation: the concept described in the linked piece is known as 'shit test' to the pua enthusiasts
1154646;1433474156;decimation;yeah more-or-less
1154647;1433474173;decimation;but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way
1154648;1433474196;decimation;In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful.
1154649;1433474198;mats;fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible'
1154650;1433474201;decimation;The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid.
1154651;1433474218;*;williamdunne is off for the night
1154652;1433474241;asciilifeform;the yudkowskyans call it 'evaporative cooling' (to describe why doomsday cults on day n+1 after planned 'doomsday' not only do not fall apart, but get more 'culty')
1154653;1433474279;asciilifeform;named for physical effect where fastest molecules phase off into vapour and whole thing has lower energy as per boltzmann
1154654;1433474284;decimation;asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex
1154655;1433474288;asciilifeform;(for those who slept through school)
1154656;1433474298;decimation;now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism
1154657;1433474318;asciilifeform;the 'eternal war' thing is summarized by herr orwell
1154658;1433474350;decimation;but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism'
1154659;1433474363;decimation;that's a great set of clothes.  the deer is a fine horse, etc
1154660;1433474364;trinque;"freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept
1154661;1433474367;trinque;that jumped out at me right away
1154662;1433474379;trinque;I expect to hear that phrase again
1154663;1433474488;asciilifeform;trinque: it arguably descends from u.s. hitler (fdr) 's phrase 'freedom from fear'
1154664;1433474502;trinque;didn't our thing eat all his useful folks?
1154665;1433474504;trinque;sounds about right
1154666;1433474505;decimation;Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas."
1154667;1433474521;decimation;^ how usg employment works
1154668;1433474575;asciilifeform;phun phakt for non-u.s. folks: usg contractors who are registered as 'woman-owned' get preferential contract status. the practical consequence of this is that a great many operators of such firms have them registered in wife's name
1154669;1433474590;asciilifeform;(makes for interesting divorce proceedings, one might imagine)
1154670;1433474618;pete_dushenski;or tighter pre-nups
1154671;1433474632;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
1154672;1433474642;pete_dushenski;for real ?
1154673;1433474664;asciilifeform;(more accurately, they work in the same manner as patents. which is to say, if you have infinite money and are willing to spend most of it on lawyers, it can be made to 'work' in a way.)
1154674;1433474667;decimation;asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans
1154675;1433474698;trinque;and if you have kids involved, forget it
1154676;1433474700;decimation;https://www.sba.gov/category/navigation-structure/eligibility-requirements
1154677;1433474703;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion !
1154678;1433474704;asciilifeform;decimation: the golden quadrifecta is female minority crippled in iraq
1154679;1433474704;trinque;the court can rule in "the best interest of the child"
1154680;1433474720;asciilifeform;trinque: even in the absence of children, imagine that, l0l
1154681;1433474730;trinque;well she might later, and he owes her!
1154682;1433474734;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: again, they 'work' like patents 'work'
1154683;1433474740;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear.  if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win
1154684;1433474751;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: mhm. so it would seem
1154685;1433474752;asciilifeform;which is to say, every idiot who wastes time and money on it imagines that it will work in his case, because celebrity xxxxx
1154686;1433474763;asciilifeform;'patents are great, look at edison'
1154687;1433474767;decimation;everything usg does is partially mixed with its 'civil relgion'
1154688;1433474778;asciilifeform;how could it be otherwise.
1154689;1433474844;decimation;greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket
1154690;1433474871;*;trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry
1154691;1433474898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117450 @ 0.00034004 = 39.9377 BTC [-] {2} 
1154692;1433474928;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154551 << which board is that ?
1154693;1433474928;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
1154694;1433474938;decimation;it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
1154695;1433474958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32722 @ 0.00033939 = 11.1055 BTC [-] {2} 
1154696;1433474997;trinque;decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry
1154697;1433475000;asciilifeform;decimation: it is interesting to consider the implications of mass 'awakening' to btc as an anti-divorcetheft instrument
1154698;1433475004;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154562 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154694
1154699;1433475004;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
1154700;1433475004;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
1154701;1433475014;trinque;asciilifeform: not a bad point there
1154702;1433475017;asciilifeform;decimation: the likely next step for usg is probably 'naggum-style' taxation on 'what you probably earned and hid'
1154703;1433475024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or anti-fiat-theft generally
1154704;1433475027;asciilifeform;sorta like the silk road sentence
1154705;1433475035;mircea_popescu;taxation ; redistribution ; alimony ; you name it-y
1154706;1433475045;trinque;having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon
1154707;1433475056;trinque;utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry"
1154708;1433475072;asciilifeform;'so, mr schmuck, you ran a widget factory, brought in p/yr. ex-mrs schmuck is now entitled to y*(p-r) where r was your rent'
1154709;1433475080;decimation;mircea_popescu: I don't get your point re: <--->
1154710;1433475081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude.
1154711;1433475098;mircea_popescu;"this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see."
1154712;1433475098;pete_dushenski;decimation: business is marriage, and vice versa
1154713;1433475105;asciilifeform;for so long as the robbers even bother to construct arguments, they will necessarily take this form
1154714;1433475109;mircea_popescu;decimation that it's the same thing, basially.
1154715;1433475129;decimation;ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully
1154716;1433475187;asciilifeform;sorta like that fable, where the sheep asks the wolf what his 'crime' was, why he deserves to be eaten, and wolf answers 'your crime was that i am hungry and you are fat'
1154717;1433475213;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah but if your wealth is in bitcoin, it's not obvious you are a sheep nor fat
1154718;1433475230;asciilifeform;decimation: thing is, it is still obvious if usd walked in and didn't walk out
1154719;1433475234;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << no. fbi agents should help us prevent usg above all else.
1154720;1433475234;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
1154721;1433475236;asciilifeform;(of your pocket)
1154722;1433475270;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax
1154723;1433475273;asciilifeform;just like the ancient observation that if two walk into a cave, and one walks out, someone probably got clobbered
1154724;1433475299;decimation;but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k
1154725;1433475301;asciilifeform;this is, for example, why 'coinbase' will happily sell u.s. folks btc
1154726;1433475316;asciilifeform;decimation: l0l, tell it to that congresscritter
1154727;1433475327;decimation;I mean $10k in btc
1154728;1433475342;asciilifeform;well yes, but they know that $10k walked in in usd
1154729;1433475344;pete_dushenski;then 'withdrew' from where ?
1154730;1433475344;asciilifeform;and never walked out
1154731;1433475381;decimation;yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone
1154732;1433475392;asciilifeform;anyone paid in usd, at any rate
1154733;1433475394;decimation;anyone forced to use usd to eat bread
1154734;1433475439;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154601 << it is how bitbet works.
1154735;1433475439;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
1154736;1433475494;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: upon reflection, alternative is either a) have one person do everything, or b) 'multisig'
1154737;1433475500;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154606 << just one more asset ended up with head on pike, now barking at the outskirts.
1154738;1433475500;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
1154739;1433475507;decimation;mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides'
1154740;1433475514;pete_dushenski;so i guess the bitbet model makes sense.
1154741;1433475525;*;mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something.
1154742;1433475550;asciilifeform;decimation: if the fools had the elementary common sense to share the bakshish up the chain of command, they'd be walking still
1154743;1433475556;*;pete_dushenski imagines 'decentralised' mit wallet
1154744;1433475575;decimation;asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand
1154745;1433475587;asciilifeform;decimation: in all 'orcish' nations
1154746;1433475590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly i dun think so.
1154747;1433475611;mircea_popescu;it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay.
1154748;1433475613;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: there is a long list of idiocies not yet surfaced. for instance, a usg stooge will eventually propose 'wallets' keyed to passport chips or the like
1154749;1433475622;mircea_popescu;the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh.
1154750;1433475624;mircea_popescu;i dun see it.
1154751;1433475637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the quantities are not co-measurable
1154752;1433475642;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1154753;1433475647;decimation;usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball
1154754;1433475654;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: half a mil in usd is not 'i-can-give-it-to-isis-money'
1154755;1433475656;asciilifeform;btc - is.
1154756;1433475697;trinque;it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with
1154757;1433475700;asciilifeform;usd is considerably closer to being paid in month-old sausages than to money
1154758;1433475705;asciilifeform;yes, it's valuable, in a sense
1154759;1433475707;asciilifeform;and you can live on it
1154760;1433475709;trinque;and I wonder how many got away with it
1154761;1433475713;asciilifeform;but where is it 10 yrs from now
1154762;1433475714;mircea_popescu;what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ?
1154763;1433475722;mircea_popescu;they already donated 2.5k of them or w/e
1154764;1433475741;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says.
1154765;1433475744;asciilifeform;this is the difference between money and scip
1154766;1433475746;asciilifeform;scrip
1154767;1433475753;mircea_popescu;anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners.
1154768;1433475766;mircea_popescu;think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink.
1154769;1433475771;mircea_popescu;why the fuck are you there then
1154770;1433475783;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they would have, if they could be sure of 'blink back' when 'blinking eyelashes' up the chain of command
1154771;1433475791;mircea_popescu;aha. exactly.
1154772;1433475806;mircea_popescu;and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same.
1154773;1433475806;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you're there because you were born and raised there and door is welded shut ?
1154774;1433475809;mircea_popescu;as it is tho...
1154775;1433475861;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154628 << o did stoya ever answer ?
1154776;1433475861;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 03:10:20; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
1154777;1433475907;decimation;maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up
1154778;1433475919;decimation;or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world'
1154779;1433475921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to grasp this, it is necessary to look through the porthole glass on the atomic dirigible, down to the planet below - where most folks are so thoroughly wedded to their meal ticket that they do not really perceive themselves as having a choice of what sort of system to be part of, aside from the abstract choice of eating one's pistol
1154780;1433475948;asciilifeform;(the latter is an increasingly common path out of u.s. army - ever wonder why?)
1154781;1433475963;mircea_popescu;most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world
1154782;1433475966;decimation;asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy
1154783;1433475995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151523 @ 0.00033658 = 50.9996 BTC [-] {2} 
1154784;1433475995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20538785 = 1.0269 BTC [-]
1154785;1433475996;asciilifeform;decimation: it is about 'i do this and i keep eating; i don't - and don't'
1154786;1433476003;decimation;for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes'
1154787;1433476020;decimation;people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him
1154788;1433476027;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ?
1154789;1433476029;asciilifeform;spacex ultimately runs on the apparatus whereby continent full of schmucks is robbed of what little they produce
1154790;1433476032;mircea_popescu;what are they, sharecroppers ?
1154791;1433476038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure!
1154792;1433476066;mircea_popescu;i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question
1154793;1433476068;decimation;people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy
1154794;1433476070;mircea_popescu;"is life a good above all else"
1154795;1433476077;mircea_popescu;all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story.
1154796;1433476089;asciilifeform;there is also the realization, shared by the more-intellectually-bent part of usa, that 'if i were to be paid what i am worth, i will starve and be boiled for soap. therefore gotta help carry on the scam'
1154797;1433476107;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that's surely the majority of usg
1154798;1433476117;asciilifeform;it is virtually everyone
1154799;1433476123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a very poor excuse for not coming up with better scams.
1154800;1433476131;asciilifeform;i, for instance, have precisely zero desire to be 'paid what i'm worth'
1154801;1433476134;mircea_popescu;note that i am not proposing for civilisation to go away
1154802;1433476140;decimation;how do you outscam the printing press?
1154803;1433476146;asciilifeform;^
1154804;1433476167;mircea_popescu;there's always a way.
1154805;1433476187;asciilifeform;short of perpetuum mobile, which physical reality balks at - printing press is -the- scam.
1154806;1433476194;asciilifeform;sorta the carnot engine of sc4mz0r1ng
1154807;1433476202;decimation;well, generally the 'way' in the us is to be on the benefit side of the printing press
1154808;1433476225;asciilifeform;decimation: pretty much every living thing in nato-dom is alive beneficiary of the printing press.
1154809;1433476241;mircea_popescu;out of the crooked timber of humanity, no THE thing was ever made.
1154810;1433476272;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: printing press scam is directly analogous to carnot engine. it is the closest shave one can give the sheep without skinning them
1154811;1433476275;asciilifeform;or at least aims to be
1154812;1433476299;mircea_popescu;well.
1154813;1433476305;mircea_popescu;consider : roman empire also used the same process.
1154814;1433476306;asciilifeform;hence the astonishingly baroque refinements it is subject to
1154815;1433476329;asciilifeform;romans had not yet calculating machines, and did not have anything quite like modern 'derivatives' etc
1154816;1433476364;asciilifeform;whereas today you can actually make a chump who insists on knowing precisely how he is being chumped be left with an np-complete problem!
1154817;1433476365;mircea_popescu;actually, they did. both.
1154818;1433476390;mircea_popescu;and if zenon's arrow in flight discussion is not exactly the latter...
1154819;1433476391;asciilifeform;that's sorta like saying that they had modern construction equipment. yes, there were cranes powered with man-sized hamster wheels
1154820;1433476395;asciilifeform;but not same
1154821;1433476424;mircea_popescu;i propose to you that for an army of archers, plate armor is much more than our current ceramic plating and woven nylons.
1154822;1433476455;mircea_popescu;similarly, it can perhaps be argued successfully that the romans had better "social sciences" in the weaponized, political sense
1154823;1433476456;asciilifeform;quite similar, in that plate was astonishingly expensive
1154824;1433476459;mircea_popescu;than the us ever did or ever will.
1154825;1433476480;trinque;americans are helplessly narcissistic and cannot collaborate
1154826;1433476486;trinque;that's why they didn't think up a better scam
1154827;1433476491;mircea_popescu;what, unlike the friends, romans, countrymen ?
1154828;1433476494;mircea_popescu;gimme a break.
1154829;1433476526;trinque;perhaps not; I'd expect though that we're incredibly low on the scale
1154830;1433476550;trinque;I don't think the way in which communication happens here would be considered high bandwidth
1154831;1433476554;asciilifeform;what would the hypothetical 'better scam' look like ?
1154832;1433476587;asciilifeform;as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch
1154833;1433476596;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154671 << they can only be enforced by women against men, moreover.
1154834;1433476596;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 03:23:52; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
1154835;1433476603;asciilifeform;better scam would result in what? more pumpkins ?
1154836;1433476611;mircea_popescu;if you have a deal that says she walks without any money or children, it'll be thrown out.
1154837;1433476616;mircea_popescu;if it says the reverse... well duh.
1154838;1433476620;trinque;more bitcoins for Mr Force, I thought
1154839;1433476651;asciilifeform;trinque: we (or at least i) do not know how many bitcoins -presently- for yellen
1154840;1433476654;asciilifeform;or thiel
1154841;1433476655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno.
1154842;1433476784;asciilifeform;trinque: the basic crime of herr force - aside from the unforgivable 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain' - is that a commoner has pretense to lordly things
1154843;1433476787;trinque;asciilifeform: here's a better scam; kill the price for a bit by imploding gox
1154844;1433476809;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the latter. the former only exists in imagination.
1154845;1433476810;trinque;meanwhile looting it
1154846;1433476824;asciilifeform;trinque: this is likely to be repeated, and next on the chopping block is probably 'coinbase'
1154847;1433476827;asciilifeform;the new gox
1154848;1433476830;mircea_popescu;there is not enough bakshees to pass up the chain, because bitcoin is not fiat. they need > 9k% to be satisfied.
1154849;1433476831;trinque;oh, certainly.
1154850;1433476843;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform coinbase is definitely on the chopping block.
1154851;1433476849;mircea_popescu;teh republic never liked it.
1154852;1433476857;asciilifeform;meant, that it'll be flushed by usg
1154853;1433476865;asciilifeform;rather than nailed in the wild
1154854;1433476886;mircea_popescu;you generally overtate the efficacity of the derp.
1154855;1433476887;asciilifeform;from outside of the walls it'll look quite like a 'goxing' yes.
1154856;1433476900;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the one thing they know how to do is arson
1154857;1433476906;asciilifeform;in all the various senses of the word
1154858;1433476909;mircea_popescu;but think of it this way : never, in the history of tyhe world, did ~they~ ever destroy anything.
1154859;1433476920;mircea_popescu;if they can, they'll just fgill it with straw and keep pretending.
1154860;1433476926;asciilifeform;yes, it's the flames that destroy, not the boy with the matches
1154861;1433476928;mircea_popescu;mtgox's fall took specific, directed pushing
1154862;1433476933;mircea_popescu;and they tried tooth and nail to keep on.
1154863;1433476943;mircea_popescu;so did everything else, so does everything else.
1154864;1433476958;mircea_popescu;the woman that is the state yields eventually, once squeezed enough. not before.
1154865;1433476971;asciilifeform;one could even argue that gox is not dead, but rather passed the torch to coinbase/bitstamp
1154866;1433476981;asciilifeform;in the same way as ibm passed it to microshit
1154867;1433476989;asciilifeform;and microshit is now passing it to google et al
1154868;1433477059;asciilifeform;the unmistakeable attributes of 'goxitude' - 'kyc/aml' crapolade, mysterious freezes/'questionings'/account dissolutions/'verifications' - carry on
1154869;1433477093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127600 @ 0.00033284 = 42.4704 BTC [-] {2} 
1154870;1433477109;asciilifeform;as do the basic mechanics of a goxatron - encouragement of off-chain payments via 'codes' rather than proper btc, goading users to keep coin in -exchange's- wallet, etc.
1154871;1433477199;mircea_popescu;yes yes. in any case, mtgox ended exactly the way faux gpg, or system d, or gavincoin, or the sec or the fbi are gonna end
1154872;1433477210;mircea_popescu;we're going to charge particular ineptitude, and employ ridicule
1154873;1433477218;mircea_popescu;they're going to spin and deny and pretend nothing happened.
1154874;1433477221;mircea_popescu;by the book.
1154875;1433477276;mircea_popescu;an' with that, i bid you all something or the other!
1154876;1433477308;decimation;here's how to 'out-scam' the printing press: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/ < "In other words we?re trending toward a society where about half of the working-age adults will kill themselves with 60-80-hour weeks while the other half will relax on the sofa."
1154877;1433477310;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrNSyK )
1154878;1433477411;asciilifeform;decimation: l0l, 'trending toward'
1154879;1433477419;decimation;heh yeah
1154880;1433477422;asciilifeform;i suppose, because the famous '47%' isn't quite half
1154881;1433477518;asciilifeform;the key unwritten truth here is that virtually all employed folks in usa are 'on welfare'
1154882;1433477551;decimation;^ yes, this is true, and most of their welfare comes in 'tax expendatures'
1154883;1433477574;asciilifeform;because, as described very clearly by tlp (that piece cached on mircea_popescu's www) - they either carry out work directly for usg organs (official or otherwise, e.g., microshit) or perform services for the former
1154884;1433477585;decimation;god forbid that we give up the health care tax break or mortgage interest tax break
1154885;1433477608;asciilifeform;e.g., cook in a restaurant frequented by builders who install glass in office towers paid for by bezzlatron
1154886;1433477613;decimation;asciilifeform: yes indeed, nobody in the us is more than two or three degrees from usg
1154887;1433477641;decimation;asciilifeform: or your business is frequented by those who get checks from the treasury for being poor or whatever
1154888;1433477651;asciilifeform;^ as described by tlp
1154889;1433477672;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2015#993651
1154890;1433477672;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2015 05:02:36; mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're r
1154891;1433477709;decimation;yes when barely half of your able adults are working while 40% are being paid to slack, it's pretty obvious that the whole thing is a confidence scheme
1154892;1433477947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00033241 = 15.1911 BTC [-] {2} 
1154893;1433479655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00033167 = 18.1258 BTC [-] {2} 
1154894;1433480997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00034063 = 24.321 BTC [+] {2} 
1154895;1433481012;danielpbarron;!up shmadz
1154896;1433481157;shmadz;thank you, I'm trying to figure a way to do gpg on android platform. is this possible?
1154897;1433481202;danielpbarron;possible but not recommended
1154898;1433481227;shmadz;for security, right?
1154899;1433481232;danielpbarron;keybase is a way, but you're probably better off getting a real computer first
1154900;1433481428;shmadz;my "real computer" is not with me always. or even often. I was hoping to figure a way to do secure android?
1154901;1433481524;trinque;shmadz: no pill is going to secure android on a cellphone
1154902;1433481626;danielpbarron;you can have "secure cellphone" (just for voice) if you run irc on a computer that doesn't turn off, and connect to that with your cell phone
1154903;1433481669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55466 @ 0.00035075 = 19.4547 BTC [+]
1154904;1433481713;trinque;!s specificity of the diddling
1154905;1433481714;assbot;4 results for 'specificity of the diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+of+the+diddling
1154906;1433481730;trinque;danielpbarron: yeah I use a similar setup
1154907;1433481745;trinque;shmadz: never trust a phone with anything you can't afford to lose
1154908;1433481753;danielpbarron;worst someone can do with compromised irc box is talk as me for as long as i don't notice
1154909;1433481775;danielpbarron;whereas under gribble, the worst they could do was change my key to their key
1154910;1433481807;shmadz;ok, so there is no known solution for secure, pocket sized, computer?
1154911;1433481819;trinque;shmadz: to the logs with you!
1154912;1433481824;danielpbarron;depends.. how pig are your pockets?
1154913;1433481842;trinque;shmadz: define secure
1154914;1433481846;trinque;important to define terms
1154915;1433481919;danielpbarron;you can read the log securely from your phone, although even this is much more enjoyable on a real computer
1154916;1433481947;shmadz;right, I want a solution that is roughly the same size as Samsung note, and runs native Linux, or some secure version of android, if that even exists
1154917;1433481960;trinque;shmadz: again, you need to define secure
1154918;1433481975;trinque;reason being, should you specifically define it, you may find there is no existing device that meets the spec
1154919;1433481999;trinque;or otherwise, it's important to note which actions can and cannot be securely taken on a phone
1154920;1433482015;trinque;which is to say, if you wouldn't do it outside the police station, don't do it on a phone either
1154921;1433482018;trinque;should be obvious
1154922;1433482040;trinque;if you want a phone which does not track your every step, you will not find it
1154923;1433482054;trinque;nor one that respects the privacy of the data you store on it
1154924;1433482058;trinque;so on
1154925;1433482088;danielpbarron;shmadz, if you find yourself in the situation where you need to gpg on the go, you are finding yourself in the wrong situations
1154926;1433482094;trinque;well put
1154927;1433482156;shmadz;thank you, not the answer I'm looking for, but this makes me think there is an opportunity to make the device I want. why is there not secure Linux that can run on a phone-like device?
1154928;1433482173;trinque;man, I dunno that there's a secure linux either
1154929;1433482178;trinque;it's not a 1 or 0 thing
1154930;1433482184;trinque;depends on who the adversary is
1154931;1433482190;danielpbarron;reminds me of the failed key signing party at the last porc fest -- the one after which nobody ended up getting their key signed because all the time was taken setting up a temporary key server when all we had to do was trade fingerprints and sign it later back at home
1154932;1433482503;shmadz;ok, thanks for your help, and thanks for the !up, I think I'm gonna try a remote server to manage the keys, and just remote in from the phone? I don't see any secure solution to my problem atm
1154933;1433482564;danielpbarron;the keys don't need to be on the remote server
1154934;1433482608;danielpbarron;another computer can and should be used to sign and decrypt, and this computer should not be connected to any networks
1154935;1433482722;shmadz;ok, just like offline signing bitcoin transactions? so you use USB to transfer? or you do it by hand? Or what?
1154936;1433482793;danielpbarron;some use a qr code scanner
1154937;1433482827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47429 @ 0.00034021 = 16.1358 BTC [-]
1154938;1433482845;danielpbarron;!up shmadz
1154939;1433482923;shmadz;ok, thanks Daniel, thanks tribute,
1154940;1433482947;shmadz;*tribute
1154941;1433482997;shmadz;grr, can you tell I'm on a phone? *trinque
1154942;1433483020;danielpbarron;i turn off autocorrect; it drove me crazy
1154943;1433483129;shmadz;yeah, this is a work phone, which is even less secure, so I have to type on it all the time, which probably means everything I
1154944;1433483142;shmadz;type is being tracked
1154945;1433483206;trinque;everything you everything is being tracked; happy 2015, lol
1154946;1433483539;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE99DB4C8A6980859D6C2322594C1B2CB4348ECB0F9BA3A7275285C7F3D02F7F
1154947;1433483543;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSBzAk )
1154948;1433483543;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1154949;1433483592;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1154950;1433483775;danielpbarron;that p is apparently the 6th "Fermat number"
1154951;1433483816;asciilifeform;!s 4294967297
1154952;1433483817;assbot;6 results for '4294967297' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=4294967297
1154953;1433483821;asciilifeform;extensively discussed
1154954;1433483839;asciilifeform;it is guaranteed to be a factor in all moduli matching the 'magic 98' pattern
1154955;1433483861;asciilifeform;as shown in http://dpaste.com/1TNXJDZ
1154956;1433483862;assbot;dpaste: 1TNXJDZ: fffooo ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSCcKd )
1154957;1433483874;asciilifeform;you can prove this fact
1154958;1433483879;asciilifeform;but i am leaving it as an exercise
1154959;1433483925;asciilifeform;(hint: 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1)
1154960;1433483984;asciilifeform;(Apocalyptic may have posted the proof somewhere in the logs already. i can't recall.)
1154961;1433484038;asciilifeform;i will note that -not all- phuctored moduli to date are in 'magic98', nor have all of the 98 been (thus far) phuctored or even attempted
1154962;1433484080;asciilifeform;but elementarily, all of them are expected to appear prior to the end of the churn of the sks dump circa last month
1154963;1433484100;asciilifeform;(on account of all of them being divisible by 4294967297)
1154964;1433484275;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect. << how would you measure fragging?
1154965;1433484331;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: can only be (easily) measured indirectly
1154966;1433484356;asciilifeform;sorta like 'dark matter'
1154967;1433484381;asciilifeform;that is, process has heavy 'footprint' but sum of allocations is a small fraction of it
1154968;1433484428;asciilifeform;the only conclusive test for fragging is manually sweating over a memory dump 'with magnifying glass'
1154969;1433484481;asciilifeform;(there may exist an instrumented allocator which will actually complain about being unable to find an appropriately-sized free block, but i am unaware of it)
1154970;1433484487;ben_vulpes;i'm starting to not be surprised by the failure of modern computing tools
1154971;1433484498;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes was at some point surprised ?!
1154972;1433484515;ben_vulpes;i learned then next to the lathe
1154973;1433484521;ben_vulpes;i expected them to work as the lathe does
1154974;1433484545;ben_vulpes;well, i learned their use. can't say as i 'know' them.
1154975;1433484556;asciilifeform;http://totalpict.com/images/63/63378912550372ebd2231f.jpeg << like this ?
1154976;1433484556;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSDeWw )
1154977;1433484580;asciilifeform;^ probably most famous lathe of all time
1154978;1433484596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32771 @ 0.00034021 = 11.149 BTC [-]
1154979;1433484609;asciilifeform;imagine if computer worked like this.
1154980;1433484626;ben_vulpes;lathe fits in head.
1154981;1433484635;asciilifeform;sometimes - head fits in lathe.
1154982;1433484639;asciilifeform;that schmuck's did.
1154983;1433484642;Vexual;liveleaks full of it
1154984;1433484749;Vexual;mircea_popescu: there's always a way. <im glad KRS1 is alive
1154985;1433485084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11426 @ 0.00033133 = 3.7858 BTC [-]
1154986;1433485114;trinque;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de2_1326399606 << god damn.
1154987;1433485116;assbot;LiveLeak.com - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( http://bit.ly/1RO5GqT )
1154988;1433485345;Vexual;i took the lid of my psu and shorted the fuse after the ticking turned into complete failure
1154989;1433485408;Vexual;nerd fireworks
1154990;1433485816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53524 @ 0.00033005 = 17.6656 BTC [-] {2} 
1154991;1433486599;punkman;assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... << why are usg cops so afraid of hands in pockets
1154992;1433486881;ben_vulpes;http://www.kgw.com/story/news/crime/2015/05/28/three-people-shot-during-last-thursday-portland/28129499/
1154993;1433486883;assbot;Teen confesses in Last Thursday shooting, says someone eyed him ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARhTGK )
1154994;1433487146;ben_vulpes;someone eyed him, you see!
1154995;1433487231;punkman;oic now
1154996;1433487236;punkman;!up Vexual
1154997;1433487319;cazalla;friday, friday, getting down on friday (finally)
1154998;1433487459;Vexual;hey caz
1154999;1433487512;cazalla;Vexual, arvo.. ya drinking?
1155000;1433487539;Vexual;syntax error
1155001;1433487616;Vexual;funny thing is if the internet ever breaks, id have to remember xanthyoss ham sign to find you, but yes
1155002;1433487659;cazalla;VK2DIK?
1155003;1433487689;Vexual;no something like S>>>
1155004;1433487696;Vexual;i forget
1155005;1433487732;Vexual;its an old callsign tho, itd be in bookshops
1155006;1433487756;cazalla;i'm sober so not really following
1155007;1433487822;Vexual;dude has a cool old ham callsign, he left here after a blue with dpb
1155008;1433487850;cazalla;well, it wouldn't be VK2DIK on account he almost cut his off
1155009;1433487886;Vexual;yeah, but he can prolly bed the shit to find a freq
1155010;1433487893;Vexual;*bend
1155011;1433487948;cazalla;got a radio?
1155012;1433487955;Vexual;er maybe
1155013;1433488007;Vexual;im not exactly licensed
1155014;1433488031;cazalla;you can be VK4VEX
1155015;1433488111;Vexual;ok-ay
1155016;1433488119;punkman;!s blockchain radio
1155017;1433488120;assbot;1 results for 'blockchain radio' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockchain+radio
1155018;1433488242;cazalla;Vexual, get the cops up that way?
1155019;1433488256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 264900 @ 0.000327 = 86.6223 BTC [-] {4} 
1155020;1433488302;Vexual;i dont have a uhf scanner
1155021;1433488317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033417 = 18.8138 BTC [+]
1155022;1433488423;Vexual;taxis and cops i dont care
1155023;1433488441;cazalla;still get most of the regional ambos down here on analogue
1155024;1433488457;cazalla;geelong, traralgon
1155025;1433488476;cazalla;ballarat too
1155026;1433488708;Vexual;so towtrucks run on ambo now?
1155027;1433488733;Vexual;thats kinda sad
1155028;1433488933;punkman;http://samy.pl/opensesame/
1155029;1433488935;assbot;OpenSesame - hacking garages in seconds ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io2CA4 )
1155030;1433489354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93616 @ 0.00032551 = 30.4729 BTC [-]
1155031;1433489446;punkman;!up Vexual
1155032;1433490096;Vexual;opening garages could be bad for ur health
1155033;1433490131;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa64gOwuIyE
1155034;1433490880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44401 @ 0.00033046 = 14.6728 BTC [+] {2} 
1155035;1433490974;punkman;http://store.steampowered.com/hardware PCs that look like a console, wonder how this will go
1155036;1433490975;assbot;Steam Hardware Pre-Order ... ( http://bit.ly/1HP7nNF )
1155037;1433491130;Vexual;nvidea too
1155038;1433491926;cazalla;not sure why anyone who uses steam on desktop would buy any of that
1155039;1433491931;cazalla;!up Vexual
1155040;1433492099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]
1155041;1433492219;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE
1155042;1433492278;Vexual;meanwhile BB up in the smart part of town...
1155043;1433492368;Vexual;caz i saw that neat little lezzo on news 24 this morn singing the praises of melb. wow
1155044;1433492379;Vexual;thats a singer
1155045;1433492433;Vexual;checked the hong kong investors, the numbers checked
1155046;1433492491;Vexual;next month 500k of ur 5 milly must be vc or other new shit
1155047;1433492505;Vexual;get ltd now
1155048;1433492669;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3WFkfME_Q0
1155049;1433492789;cazalla;Vexual, what lezzo?
1155050;1433492808;Vexual;govt suggestions, she was on ellen
1155051;1433492821;Vexual;i forget the name, shes better than that tho
1155052;1433492837;Vexual;singing about melb re
1155053;1433492934;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
1155054;1433493184;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3WFkfME_Q0
1155055;1433493185;assbot;Chance The Rapper - SURF [Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARo3a1 )
1155056;1433493243;punkman;this kid has some nice tunes
1155057;1433493258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142548 @ 0.00032478 = 46.2967 BTC [-] {4} 
1155058;1433493258;Vexual;aussie?
1155059;1433493389;Vexual;nope
1155060;1433493424;punkman;"Bennett was listed #7 on the "Forbes 30 Under 30" 2015 music list"  "gave a lecture at Harvard University's Hiphop Archive & Research Institute"
1155061;1433493434;Vexual;thats her'
1155062;1433493437;punkman;so Forbes does music now, and Harvard has a hiphop institute
1155063;1433493449;Vexual;link
1155064;1433493543;Vexual;wtach the greek squirrel it
1155065;1433493554;Vexual;what the link
1155066;1433493604;Vexual;yes its new
1155067;1433493747;punkman;http://hutchinscenter.fas.harvard.edu/hiphop-archive-research-institute
1155068;1433493748;assbot;Hiphop Archive & Research Institute | Hutchins Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsffIW )
1155069;1433493751;punkman;!up Vexual
1155070;1433493805;Vexual;:) curly
1155071;1433493807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12962 @ 0.00033417 = 4.3315 BTC [+]
1155072;1433494297;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcnIhzaDTd0
1155073;1433494410;Vexual;real shit
1155074;1433494417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67899 @ 0.00034389 = 23.3498 BTC [+] {2} 
1155075;1433494629;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcnIhzaDTd0
1155076;1433494704;cazalla;ya know if you played good music Vexual, i might be tempted to drink
1155077;1433494756;Vexual;im trying to save you
1155078;1433494779;cazalla;bit over a week since i've imbibed
1155079;1433494806;Vexual;so go to aa\
1155080;1433494847;Vexual;plents of girls that wanna stop
1155081;1433494849;cazalla;nah i'm good, don't have the shimmy shimmy shakes
1155082;1433494871;Vexual;i shake around 9 am
1155083;1433494871;cazalla;so, what, get em liquored up and laid?
1155084;1433494876;Vexual;no
1155085;1433494890;Vexual;stop b4 you need em
1155086;1433494956;Vexual;virginia sees me to 11
1155087;1433495070;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzfwI9fhA3I
1155088;1433495071;scoopbot_revived;Company Pays $14,000 Ransom In Bitcoin, Attackers Return For More http://qntra.net/2015/06/company-pays-14000-ransom-in-bitcoin-attackers-return-for-more/
1155089;1433495100;Vexual;unnnamed co
1155090;1433495231;cazalla;prob the cop shop itself
1155091;1433495272;Vexual;no morgan shot ell them cunts, the movies sympathetic tho
1155092;1433495331;Vexual;in fact the dv version has all the blood n gore
1155093;1433495334;cazalla;gee i tell ya Vexual.. sober on a friday night, don't know what to do with myself
1155094;1433495345;Vexual;watch a bushranger movie
1155095;1433495352;cazalla;gonna watch blue murder
1155096;1433495371;cazalla;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Murder_%28miniseries%29
1155097;1433495372;assbot;Blue Murder (miniseries) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsgXKu )
1155098;1433495394;Vexual;cool shit
1155099;1433495684;cazalla;!up Vexual
1155100;1433495757;Vexual;thankyou kindly
1155101;1433495807;Vexual;you know ned kelly went around yelling about morgan
1155102;1433495816;cazalla;morgan who
1155103;1433495859;Vexual;dunno, the nushranger, starts wid a d
1155104;1433495883;Vexual;\cops wer after him for years
1155105;1433495889;cazalla;the abo?
1155106;1433495897;Vexual;'he was irish
1155107;1433495935;cazalla;ah i thought you mean someone like malcolm naden
1155108;1433495955;Vexual;whats a naden? u sure youre not drunk now?
1155109;1433495978;cazalla;the abo ned kelly guy
1155110;1433495980;Vexual;sounds like a tenni splayer
1155111;1433496001;cazalla;nah some abo that went rambo on some cops and stayed in the bush for years
1155112;1433496007;cazalla;top bloke
1155113;1433496016;Vexual;yeah, maybe
1155114;1433496210;cazalla;bbl
1155115;1433496290;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVOawOXxSA < melb
1155116;1433496735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00032158 = 17.9924 BTC [-] {2} 
1155117;1433496969;shinohai;gm #bitcoin-assets
1155118;1433496991;Vexual;ford
1155119;1433497014;shinohai;kek
1155120;1433497082;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwacyd9cqhQ true
1155121;1433497275;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDLeo4lcCg ss shes ss upercharged
1155122;1433497933;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1155123;1433497938;gribble;Current Blocks: 359508 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1355 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47374701445.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.45155
1155124;1433498626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131250 @ 0.00033211 = 43.5894 BTC [+] {2} 
1155125;1433500395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86934 @ 0.00033481 = 29.1064 BTC [+] {4} 
1155126;1433500517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123809 @ 0.00032047 = 39.6771 BTC [-] {2} 
1155127;1433500578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00031746 = 4.0448 BTC [-]
1155128;1433501737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]
1155129;1433502347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00034546 = 57.6055 BTC [+] {2} 
1155130;1433503192;fluffypony;https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/briefings.html#the-memory-sinkhole-unleashing-an-x86-design-flaw-allowing-universal-privilege-escalation
1155131;1433503194;assbot;Black Hat USA 2015 | Briefings ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoA8pO )
1155132;1433503918;shinohai;http://www.visir.is/apartment-under-siege-by-icelandic-police-for-six-hours-turns-out-to-be-empty/article/2015150609695
1155133;1433504474;punkman;Over a hundred people were evacuated from an apartment building Tuesday evening after reports of gunshots from the balcony of an  apartment. During a six hour long operation, police surrounded the apartment and tried to contact the gunman before discovering that the apartment was empty.
1155134;1433504476;punkman;good one
1155135;1433504505;shinohai;But, I'm sure they had credible intel *
1155136;1433505275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97243 @ 0.00033907 = 32.9722 BTC [-]
1155137;1433506190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00034251 = 12.416 BTC [+]
1155138;1433506312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00034251 = 13.0668 BTC [+]
1155139;1433507031;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me someone should perhaps point out to that lying scumbag andresen that https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/
1155140;1433507032;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 1.75 B (12%) on Yes, 13.09 B (88%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 51`751 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KITrYz )
1155141;1433507058;mircea_popescu;all these imaginary bitcoin businesses and so on that supposedly support him could make a pretty penny bettinbg for the thing they allegedly support at 11:1.
1155142;1433507100;mircea_popescu;funny how the buterin waterfal works. there's allegedly all these usg "companies" with "millions" in their coffers that have "investors" and whanot. meanwhile nobody can be arsed to buy any amount of their stock at a 50% to 90% discount. for like...a year now.
1155143;1433507106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274050 @ 0.0003385 = 92.7659 BTC [-] {2} 
1155144;1433507125;mircea_popescu;ethereum was going to be the bees knees for sure definitely absolutely. it even raised a shitton of btc, allegedly. except... not. not at all, not a little bit.
1155145;1433507181;shinohai;rofl I must send out a taunting tweet
1155146;1433507198;mircea_popescu;and so on and so forth, gavin's spoken to "economists" that agree with him except meanwhile they turn out to not exist and he has the support of business except all that business can't get a hundred bitcoin together. in which sense, it is obviously a subsection of the tardstalk forum - those guys got like 1k together to give marquardt so he could leave council housing.
1155147;1433507227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.20538785 = 1.4377 BTC [-]
1155148;1433507334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 31 too huh. i notice something strange here, brb while i write it up.
1155149;1433507478;mircea_popescu;jurov hanbot http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/ btw.
1155150;1433507479;assbot;MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIUnw3 )
1155151;1433507492;mircea_popescu;!up HostFat
1155152;1433507641;mircea_popescu;hm, does anyone remember this excellent write-up of the videogaming industry wrt drivers ? it was a fable-like story, didn't name intel nvidia ati etc but described the interactions with game developers in some intricate detail.
1155153;1433507648;mircea_popescu;i dun recall if i put it in here or not tho ;/
1155154;1433507649;wyrdmantis;hi HostFat
1155155;1433507704;mircea_popescu;http://richg42.blogspot.com.ar/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html
1155156;1433507705;assbot;Rich Geldreich's Tech Blog: The Truth on OpenGL Driver Quality ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87U11 )
1155157;1433507706;mircea_popescu;thank you intel.
1155158;1433507715;shinohai;For that special woman in your life, Nazi undies! http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nazi-booty-eva-braun-panties-sale-ohio-article-1.2243354
1155159;1433507716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87Y0I )
1155160;1433508218;mircea_popescu;!gettrust HostFat
1155161;1433508221;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user HostFat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=HostFat | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/HostFat/
1155162;1433508226;mircea_popescu;wyrdmantis dja know the guy ?
1155163;1433508420;HostFat;hi mircea
1155164;1433508435;HostFat;I'm the italian moderator on bitcointalk
1155165;1433508449;mircea_popescu;hey. wouldja mind getting into the wot, for one thing ?
1155166;1433508502;HostFat;actually I'm really busy because I'm trasfering in another city on these 2 days
1155167;1433508513;HostFat;*currently
1155168;1433508520;mircea_popescu;well not this instant. generally.
1155169;1433508549;HostFat;anyway, I'm also the one that has made a bet about the block size on bitbet :P
1155170;1433508569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 408400 @ 0.00034698 = 141.7066 BTC [+] {6} 
1155171;1433508569;mircea_popescu;for the other thing : plox to not email bomb me ; bitbet's not keeping your bitcoin, rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it ; yeah 1 btc is prolly enough for that purpose ; if https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ and https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ being paid out isn't going to convince you i guess nothing will.
1155172;1433508569;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 3 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLqU )
1155173;1433508571;assbot;BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLHj )
1155174;1433508730;HostFat;I did't know about the refund, good, than I'll make again the bet with 1 BTC at this time :)
1155175;1433508739;mircea_popescu;gl.
1155176;1433508772;wyrdmantis;mircea_popescu i know him, never met IRL, debated with him about blocksize change :)
1155177;1433508783;mircea_popescu;oic.
1155178;1433509118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88906 @ 0.00035141 = 31.2425 BTC [+] {3} 
1155179;1433509119;scoopbot_revived;The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/
1155180;1433509218;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` ^
1155181;1433509219;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155182;1433509507;Pierre_Rochard;;;later tell pete_dushenski clarifying that I am indeed not GBANGA! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREGbLdOzfg ) and that I would’ve thought a greyhound bus would be a great way to launder money, but events proved otherwise
1155183;1433509508;assbot;Steve Holt! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPm0HM )
1155184;1433509508;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155185;1433509545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89000 @ 0.00035281 = 31.4001 BTC [+] {2} 
1155186;1433509842;mircea_popescu;lol
1155187;1433510095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 395450 @ 0.00034097 = 134.8366 BTC [-] {4} 
1155188;1433510216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00033564 = 9.2637 BTC [-]
1155189;1433510399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00035284 = 17.2892 BTC [+]
1155190;1433511051;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article.
1155191;1433511052;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155192;1433511092;pete_dushenski;Pierre_Rochard: ha, classic show and classic scene !
1155193;1433511119;pete_dushenski;if i needed to move $1 mn + i'm not sure that i'd take any form of public transportation
1155194;1433511168;pete_dushenski;why not just hop in saddam, throw in a radar detector (legal here ftr), and obey the traffic laws up until i arrived at my destination
1155195;1433511179;pete_dushenski;(saddam = merc)
1155196;1433511571;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: a novel !
1155197;1433511614;pete_dushenski;two thoughts : 1) i won't postpone (any more) weddings, 2) i do love 'that ancient story'
1155198;1433511619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00034585 = 25.42 BTC [-]
1155199;1433511802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63181 @ 0.00034171 = 21.5896 BTC [-] {2} 
1155200;1433512290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24498 @ 0.00032635 = 7.9949 BTC [-]
1155201;1433513068;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1155202;1433513070;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.89, Best ask: 225.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 225.08, 24 hour volume: 18751.17657895, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None
1155203;1433513078;pete_dushenski;;;nethash
1155204;1433513079;gribble;343170046.183
1155205;1433513102;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski :p
1155206;1433513815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155478 @ 0.00033088 = 51.4446 BTC [+] {2} 
1155207;1433513876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8614 @ 0.00033524 = 2.8878 BTC [+]
1155208;1433514410;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Geldreich was a kind of GPU savant/whisperer iirc. And an advocate of Unix/Linux gaming.
1155209;1433514438;mircea_popescu;yes.
1155210;1433514487;thestringpuller;The amazing thing is how Microsoft's plan for DirectX segmented the market like this (inconsistent GL drivers)
1155211;1433514487;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1155212;1433514682;thestringpuller;Back when consoles were still kool tho, you could at least depend on Nintendo/Sony to have a sane third party get you drivers for the machine.
1155213;1433514700;thestringpuller;consistent drivers*
1155214;1433515279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25586 @ 0.00033217 = 8.4989 BTC [-]
1155215;1433515523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50794 @ 0.00034869 = 17.7114 BTC [+]
1155216;1433515889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20538785 = 2.4647 BTC [-]
1155217;1433516133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62534 @ 0.00035286 = 22.0657 BTC [+] {2} 
1155218;1433516783;williamdunne;MPwilliamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: <<< Nah don't think Stoya ever did :/ That message was about Indian asking DPB to get my contact details for some reason
1155219;1433517032;shinohai;LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/
1155220;1433517033;assbot;This Lawsuit Could sink one of the hottest bitcoin companies - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeZTZ6 )
1155221;1433517109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00034869 = 18.2539 BTC [-]
1155222;1433517516;pete_dushenski;shinohai: heh. there's a reason they're listed on f.derp
1155223;1433517548;pete_dushenski;and no amount of moving to switzerland can save them
1155224;1433517583;shinohai;They have obnoxious ads everywhere offering 20k satoshi to sign up. wtf is that shit.
1155225;1433517611;pete_dushenski;it's usual dangle-bait shit for shartups with moar capital than brains
1155226;1433517624;*;williamdunne hasn't yet been subjected to obnoxious ads, except from Gem and *shudders* QuadrigaCX
1155227;1433517632;shinohai;That's not even good dangle-bait.
1155228;1433517635;pete_dushenski;no different than uber doing 'free' pick-ups for goodwill donations from people's houses
1155229;1433517663;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: ya, qcx is everywhere. annoyingly.
1155230;1433518290;williamdunne;I haven't seen it in maybe a week but for months I couldn't touch a video without having that stupid voice telling me I should use a Canadian exchange
1155231;1433518290;williamdunne;WHY
1155232;1433518294;williamdunne;WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT
1155233;1433518789;williamdunne;Nearly as derpy as the exchange bragging about FATCA compliance
1155234;1433519217;trinque;http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/05/hacked-federal-personnel-files-could-turn-employees-into-foreign-spies/ << check out that security theater FireEye interface
1155235;1433519218;assbot;                    Hacked federal personnel files could turn employees into foreign spies             ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8StFP )
1155236;1433519234;trinque;delusional bastards
1155237;1433519365;pete_dushenski;ha, gee golly those sure are some pretty graphics.
1155238;1433519371;pete_dushenski;nothing to hide there !
1155239;1433519413;pete_dushenski;because it's too hard to 'incentive' security without making it shiny
1155240;1433519431;pete_dushenski;i swear this is a french thing
1155241;1433519456;pete_dushenski;or at least i saw more of these 'shiny incentives' in the french part of switzerland than the german part
1155242;1433519481;pete_dushenski;german part : spotless, not signs telling citizens to pick up trash, people just behave themselves
1155243;1433519484;trinque;interesting
1155244;1433519516;trinque;the only useful part of that screen is the log, and they gave it what, 5-10% of the real estate
1155245;1433519525;pete_dushenski;french part : not so spotless (though hardly "dirty") with plenty of "fun" marketing ploys to encourage "right" behaviour
1155246;1433519579;pete_dushenski;trinque: that 5-10% is important for actually working, but the other 90-95% is better at making it *look* like you're working
1155247;1433519591;pete_dushenski;on something quite important and hollywood-esque, no less
1155248;1433519595;trinque;sure, the other part gets fireeye paid
1155249;1433519621;trinque;I think in the absence of any actual history, this is what americans do: imitate (their own terrible) film
1155250;1433519638;trinque;it's just like the guys hunting Jack Bauer or whatever
1155251;1433519671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102331 @ 0.0003487 = 35.6828 BTC [+] {3} 
1155252;1433519683;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dia-mil-spy-papers.htm << mega-l0l
1155253;1433519685;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8UPVm )
1155254;1433519685;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155255;1433519720;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7382BEE1309329B35A14D11394BC4068C4491033B855ED56B7CBE15AE0EB9A2A and http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/709FF94FF727A8490E99459EEC2989C1EB80FE9A03DF0F1DA6911EB4D5497907
1155256;1433519723;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V1nr )
1155257;1433519727;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V4zz )
1155258;1433519727;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155259;1433519740;trinque;if I find the time I may compile a recent history of the chinese kicking our asses
1155260;1433519768;trinque;I bet the chinese version of that screen does what it's supposed to, at a bare minimum
1155261;1433519832;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604.pdf << latest usg mega-l0l. massive and very tedious slide deck of pseudolegalisms
1155262;1433519951;pete_dushenski;"PRISM is one of the most valuable, unique, and productive accesses for NSA – don’t miss out on your targets."
1155263;1433520098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193900 @ 0.00035302 = 68.4506 BTC [+]
1155264;1433520182;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform since you're here : http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
1155265;1433520182;assbot;The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Xpuk )
1155266;1433520381;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the distribution of factors in random large N is an open problem
1155267;1433520466;mircea_popescu;ok, but seems to me the proposition that "if you pick a random number, the odds of it being divisible by 17 are 1 in 17" is fairly uncontroversial.
1155268;1433520474;pete_dushenski;"the TIC and NETWORZ consolidation initiative is behind schedule and unlikely to achieve its goal of delivering less than 100 connections either in short- or mid-term timeframes." << not saying this is an easy task, but holy shit does the manhattan project *feel* like it was 3 generations ago. what goals can usg hope to accomplish these days, other than writing more pieces of paper and making more pp slides ?
1155269;1433520488;mircea_popescu;seeing how every 17th number etc.
1155270;1433520535;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski myeah.
1155271;1433520578;pete_dushenski;every single last one of the 'initiatives' outlined in that document are under-funded, poorly specified, and behind schedule
1155272;1433520639;pete_dushenski;unless the initiative was just a 'plan'
1155273;1433520639;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also looks like you did the 'magic' and non-magic keys together
1155274;1433520663;mircea_popescu;so i did.
1155275;1433520726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we might have a case of the proverbial 'randomly wired neural network, close your eyes and the room is dark' on our hands. these N were not crapped our by dice, but are permuted versions of properly-generated N. and could have interesting mathematical properties
1155276;1433520758;mircea_popescu;kinda what im inching towards : the plain observation that the odds for this situation so far look like ~1% is something
1155277;1433520999;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1155219 << i have nfi when or how xapo got to be "one of the hottest". it's not even clear it ever existed.
1155278;1433520999;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 15:10:32; shinohai: LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/
1155279;1433521013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127650 @ 0.000354 = 45.1881 BTC [+] {3} 
1155280;1433521101;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604-2.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/2WR0X9E.txt << lulzy
1155281;1433521102;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FywOCD )
1155282;1433521103;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FywR10 )
1155283;1433521255;scoopbot_revived;The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
1155284;1433521463;mircea_popescu;!rated wences
1155285;1433521463;assbot;wences is not registered in WoT.
1155286;1433521467;mircea_popescu;hm.
1155287;1433521913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's noteworthy in either those cryptome links ?
1155288;1433521974;mircea_popescu;"If you live in an expensive city and are acquainted with families collecting welfare the book confirms what you might have noticed, i.e., that it would be irrational for the adults in the family to enter the workforce. Here in Cambridge, Massachusetts, for example, the welfare families that I have spent the most time with occupy apartments with a market rent of about $4,500 per month ($54,000 per year in post-tax inco
1155289;1433521974;mircea_popescu;me) in a building with a swimming pool, two gyms, and a variety of other luxurious facilities. Their health care is free through some combination of Medicaid, Obamacare, and a city-run health system. Their food is mostly free through food stamps. They can get cash from TANF and some similar programs. They would need to earn at least $160,000 per year pre-tax to obtain the same standard of living at market prices. Howev
1155290;1433521975;mircea_popescu;er, even if someone were to offer the adults in the family a $160,000 per year job it would not be rational for them to accept it. If they were ever to lose that job it would take many years of paperwork, bureaucracy, and waiting lists to get back to their current welfare lifestyle."
1155291;1433521980;mircea_popescu;heh.
1155292;1433522052;mircea_popescu;spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village for an entire year to keep a couple tards and their ill behaved, poorly brought up, genetically deffective offspring on reddit.
1155293;1433522062;mircea_popescu;and this is supposed to be sustainable or something ?
1155294;1433522233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88550 @ 0.0003394 = 30.0539 BTC [-]
1155295;1433522238;pete_dushenski;to quote myself : "So let me get this straight, “sustainable� doesn’t mean “long-lasting, likely to perpetuate, and likely to lead to the fullness of human flourishing� so much as “designed to give idiots resources without also teaching them how to think well enough to distribute said resources with a view towards the long-term.�"
1155296;1433522287;mircea_popescu;guess so.
1155297;1433522660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00034708 = 29.3283 BTC [+] {3} 
1155298;1433523504;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's noteworthy... << the sheer lameness of the dissertation titles
1155299;1433523517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as for the 2nd, the idiot flailing re: 'cyber attack'
1155300;1433523587;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village... << it is not clear to me that this is so. they aren't being given actual solid money, note. they are given bezzlars, most of which come back to the loop immediately
1155301;1433523599;asciilifeform;the 160k 'can't buy turkeys'
1155302;1433523606;asciilifeform;or crates of kalash
1155303;1433524203;ben_vulpes;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/06/bill-nye-the-universe-will-provide/
1155304;1433524204;assbot;Bill Nye: The Universe Will Provide (NSFW) | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcTDPP )
1155305;1433524246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00034526 = 14.7599 BTC [-]
1155306;1433524314;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lols
1155307;1433524462;pete_dushenski;pretty much just same old idiots running around using larger-than-life forces to explain their existences
1155308;1433524469;pete_dushenski;s/universe/god
1155309;1433524482;pete_dushenski;just the secular scientistic use of the same term
1155310;1433524539;pete_dushenski;without any of the "i'll put it in god's hands" or "god only knows" deference, sadly
1155311;1433524655;pete_dushenski;"Nye was born on November 27, 1955, in Washington, D.C., to Jacqueline (née Jenkins; 1921–2000), a codebreaker during World War II, and Edwin Darby "Ned" Nye (1917–97), also a World War II veteran, whose experience without electricity in a Japanese prisoner of war camp led him to become a sundial enthusiast."
1155312;1433524674;pete_dushenski;asketh of retardopedia for lulz, and lulz ye shall receive.
1155313;1433524738;pete_dushenski;"i know, let's let anyone who wants to edit articles have admin privileges because wanting is the only barrier to entry our society has !"
1155314;1433524754;pete_dushenski;cripes.
1155315;1433524810;trinque;ben_vulpes: heh that one had me roaring
1155316;1433524978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00033896 = 30.4556 BTC [-] {2} 
1155317;1433525283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168638 @ 0.00033541 = 56.5629 BTC [-] {2} 
1155318;1433525344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20427544 = 1.0214 BTC [-]
1155319;1433525546;thestringpuller;;;bc,stats
1155320;1433525549;gribble;Current Blocks: 359550 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 22 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47141564727.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.94144
1155321;1433525568;thestringpuller;!t h b.mine
1155322;1433525575;assbot;[HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 7D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 30D: 0.00005214 / 0.00030791 / 0.20550000 (368178 shares, 113.36474897 BTC)
1155323;1433525592;thestringpuller;!t h b.sell
1155324;1433525594;assbot;[HAVELOCK:B.SELL] 1D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 7D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 1.77E-6 / 0.09999998 (374724 shares, 0.66177717 BTC)
1155325;1433525771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87150 @ 0.00034011 = 29.6406 BTC [+]
1155326;1433525832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20427544 = 1.0214 BTC [-]
1155327;1433526530;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is there a non-derp version of this: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/hacker-lexicon-air-gap/ << i.e. an extension of the trilema air-gap article.
1155328;1433526568;thestringpuller;the trilema article on practical airgapping is a good start, but a "read more"
1155329;1433526725;mike_c;"But many companies insist that a network or system is sufficiently air-gapped even if it is only separated from other computers or networks by a software firewall." << uh, not that one.
1155330;1433526815;mircea_popescu;;;later tell williamdunne  btw, were you going to put bitbet bets in scoopbot ?
1155331;1433526815;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155332;1433526901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well obviously. but the problem for hypocrites is : i may at may lesure discuss their affairs in either the nominal terms they put forth or the actual realty involved, and randomly equate one branch with another at any point i feel like.
1155333;1433526914;mircea_popescu;the untenability of their position is aka the liar's curse.
1155334;1433526930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00034011 = 16.0872 BTC [+]
1155335;1433526994;mircea_popescu;!up nocturne
1155336;1433527065;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes from ritholz site : "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all
1155337;1433527065;mircea_popescu;civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.
1155338;1433527065;mircea_popescu;Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment."
1155339;1433527072;mircea_popescu;irony crits for some k's.
1155340;1433527524;ben_vulpes;he's funny from time to time
1155341;1433527678;mircea_popescu;i seem to recall the same thing
1155342;1433527723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145206 @ 0.00033498 = 48.6411 BTC [-]
1155343;1433528028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00032998 = 11.2523 BTC [-]
1155344;1433528114;mircea_popescu;"Assuming, as economists usually do in aggregate analysis, that capital enhances the productivity of labor, and labor enhances the productivity of capital, then the efficient reaction to less labor is to have less capital. Investment is the rate of change of the capital stock, so even small reductions in the capital stock may be achieved by large investment reductions for a short period of time. For this reason, invest
1155345;1433528115;mircea_popescu;ment is expected to decline by a much greater percentage than consumption in the short term, and by the same percentage in the long term. In this view, the investment decline is entirely a reaction to the labor market, and not a cause of the low rates of labor usage."
1155346;1433528132;mircea_popescu;aka, some countries are just not worth bothering with. the country of africa, the country of north america chief on the list.
1155347;1433528290;chetty;!up Smallish
1155348;1433528455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57717 @ 0.00034215 = 19.7479 BTC [+] {4} 
1155349;1433528521;asciilifeform;https://life.indiegogo.com/fundraisers/a-new-engine-for-my-boat << poor mr o reduced to this ?
1155350;1433528522;assbot;A new engine for my boat | Indiegogo Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCfHPi )
1155351;1433528920;mircea_popescu;is that thing covered in ejaculate ?
1155352;1433528962;mod6;hahaha
1155353;1433528980;mod6;look how rusted the rocker arms are
1155354;1433529052;mircea_popescu;in any case, 150 bucks, almost a full bitcoin. and he didn't even have to shove it up his ass.
1155355;1433529083;mircea_popescu;!h
1155356;1433529083;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1155357;1433529099;mircea_popescu;https://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_fill,h_660,w_660/v1433433357/cnxdchjhzr0omvb0ews1.jpg << somehow i thought he was younger.
1155358;1433529100;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd5366 )
1155359;1433529345;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article. << fixed
1155360;1433529409;mircea_popescu;"[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above
1155361;1433529409;mircea_popescu;25 cents per hour would be above the market-clearing price. Yet he can never reach the productivity of the foreign contractors unless he can get substantial work experience.]"
1155362;1433529441;mircea_popescu;this matches my experience. the average english speaking "civilised world" young adult can pull on his own something between a dime and a quarter per hour's worth.
1155363;1433529464;mircea_popescu;this doesn't actually cover the cost of maintaining the infrastructure he needs.
1155364;1433529797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3083 @ 0.00033544 = 1.0342 BTC [-]
1155365;1433529943;ben_vulpes;link, mircea_popescu ?
1155366;1433529997;mircea_popescu;One of the biggest surprises in the book is the importance of federal mortgage loan forgiveness: “This chapter shows how all of these outcomes, and more, may be a direct result of stark incentives created by the FDIC and HAMP programs (hereafter jointly referenced as FH) and their practice of targeting the ratio of housing expenses to borrower income. The FH programs offer modifications on the basis of borrower incom
1155367;1433529998;mircea_popescu;e reported to the United States Internal Revenue Service. The first section of the chapter shows how the programs resemble government safety net programs, except that the marginal income tax rates from mortgage modification far exceed 100 percent in some instances.” It turned out that a person’s mortgage payments would be reduced by $1.31 for every $1 fall in income. In other words a lower-income American with a mo
1155368;1433529999;mircea_popescu;rtgage would have more spending power by working fewer hours and/or quitting altogether. Mulligan also notes that as the program was unfavorable to lenders they had a huge incentive to “promote borrower confusion and uncertainty about the disposition of their modification application.” (i.e., the bureaucratic run-around might not have been accidental!)
1155369;1433530004;mircea_popescu;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/
1155370;1433530006;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd6Hom )
1155371;1433530102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119002 @ 0.00032438 = 38.6019 BTC [-] {3} 
1155372;1433530346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16815 @ 0.00032337 = 5.4375 BTC [-]
1155373;1433530773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00033643 = 18.1672 BTC [+] {2} 
1155374;1433531078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44638 @ 0.00034425 = 15.3666 BTC [+]
1155375;1433531383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84121 @ 0.00035438 = 29.8108 BTC [+]
1155376;1433532460;BingoBoingo;http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase
1155377;1433532462;assbot;Chinese Exchanges Reject Gavin Andresen’s 20 MB Block Size Increase ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQDIDC )
1155378;1433532664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45447 @ 0.00035438 = 16.1055 BTC [+]
1155379;1433532725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54553 @ 0.000355 = 19.3663 BTC [+] {2} 
1155380;1433532789;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: the commentary on reddit is bottom of the barrel.
1155381;1433532811;BingoBoingo;Yeah, but too be expected
1155382;1433533116;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38os22/chinese_exchanges_reject_gavin_andresens_20_mb/crwqk0r << the only good comment in that thread of poo
1155383;1433533351;davout;thestringpuller: good one indeed
1155384;1433534311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95365 @ 0.00035686 = 34.032 BTC [+] {2} 
1155385;1433534739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00034933 = 29.0643 BTC [-]
1155386;1433535287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3083 @ 0.00034933 = 1.077 BTC [-]
1155387;1433535414;mircea_popescu;awww the butthurt.
1155388;1433536019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65311 @ 0.00035695 = 23.3128 BTC [+] {2} 
1155389;1433536189;mircea_popescu;http://www.fredoneverything.net/Commentators.shtml << dude i'm so fucking sick of this inept egalitatianism.
1155390;1433536205;mircea_popescu;the point isn't that smart people are somehow misguidedly imagining that everyone's smart like them.
1155391;1433536213;mircea_popescu;the point is that people who aren't like them have no fucking business here.
1155392;1433536386;chetty;and I thought wasmostly dumb people imaging everyone else was too
1155393;1433536441;mircea_popescu;that's common enough.
1155394;1433536480;mircea_popescu;but specifically dregs like
1155395;1433536481;mircea_popescu;"I often see victims of Commentator’s Disease arguing against the minimum wage on abstract grounds of economic theory. It is what commentators do—bandy abstractions, railing for or against Keynes, assaulting their ideological opponents with pointed phrases. They have never had to do the arithmetic of forty times the minimum wage minus taxes minus bus fare minus rent and gotta pay the cable because it is the only th
1155396;1433536481;mircea_popescu;ing they have after work. They have never had to choose between the electric bill and a new coat as winter comes on."
1155397;1433536494;mircea_popescu;dude... who the fuck said x SHOULDNT have to choose between electricity and a coat.
1155398;1433536498;mircea_popescu;this is what fucking economy is. choice.
1155399;1433536517;mircea_popescu;and yes, people don't get all they want, and the stupid don't get "basics" whereas the smart don't get "unimportant stuff".
1155400;1433536541;mircea_popescu;this has more to do with the fact that ipso definitio the preoccupations of the stupid will be banal. they don't have what with to miss things above a coat.
1155401;1433536579;mircea_popescu;if we're in weepathon mode, how about for every coat some poor kid borne by stupid parents never got,
1155402;1433536603;mircea_popescu;we count the fifty billion complex mechanical dragonflies rich kids borne by smart parents never got.
1155403;1433536631;jurov;http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z anyone wanna try it? i should have borrowed alf's ascii art, tho :D
1155404;1433536636;chetty;well simple fact is raising the min wage isnt going to get that coat anyway, so its a silly argument
1155405;1433536636;mircea_popescu;i have to choose between fixing X software and Y policy. because the idiots that came before me have made NOT ONE RIGHT THING.
1155406;1433536636;mircea_popescu;not one.
1155407;1433536641;mircea_popescu;nothing's correctly made.
1155408;1433536660;mircea_popescu;jurov has to choose between taking 3 gb out of the 4gb binary or fixing email.
1155409;1433536670;jurov;sha256sum: 4a62082679875681654a7f4fd5844f5f33bff7a6cbc3ca0c8cefe4a85a8a066f  Eulora-June12015-win32.7z
1155410;1433536677;jurov;500M in the end
1155411;1433536678;mircea_popescu;fucking hell, poor idiots and their coats, i hope they never see a coat again and live in antarctica for the rest of their dais.
1155412;1433536712;mircea_popescu;chetty sure, but whatr insults me here is the pretense that somehow the feelings of the bovine are more important inasmuch as they;re mostly absent.
1155413;1433536714;mircea_popescu;fuck that.
1155414;1433536751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.000358 = 23.8786 BTC [+] {2} 
1155415;1433536771;jurov;whet email is broken?
1155416;1433536776;jurov;*what
1155417;1433536784;mircea_popescu;all email is broken.
1155418;1433536804;jurov;everyday snafu
1155419;1433536837;mircea_popescu;jurov 500mb is not too bad considering the sourceball is like 160mb
1155420;1433536876;jurov;fortunately almost all crud was in src/ out/ and mk/ dirs
1155421;1433537063;jurov;now, if someone can lend me osx machine...
1155422;1433537117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213700 @ 0.00035813 = 76.5324 BTC [+] {3} 
1155423;1433537169;chetty;jurov is the magic man, well doneand thank you
1155424;1433537190;jurov;i'm still waiting for independent confirmation
1155425;1433537207;mircea_popescu;jurov plox make a post on exployt so i can reference it in the future etc ?
1155426;1433537223;jurov;about the release?
1155427;1433537226;mircea_popescu;if you need bw support i can host the file on eulora server
1155428;1433537226;mircea_popescu;yes
1155429;1433537248;jurov;yes, if it works, pls host it there
1155430;1433537261;mircea_popescu;one sec
1155431;1433537666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112600 @ 0.00035881 = 40.402 BTC [+] {2} 
1155432;1433537783;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: do we just post here for a login?
1155433;1433537790;mircea_popescu;basically.
1155434;1433538170;thestringpuller;what do you need to make one?
1155435;1433538398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00035944 = 33.4639 BTC [+] {3} 
1155436;1433538404;mircea_popescu;i need you to stop trying to go around things as if you're going to maintain some sort of control over the process or something. what all the periphrase and metaconsiderations ? you've seen a dozen people get one through saying the magic words "gimme one" or somesuch.
1155437;1433538405;scoopbot_revived;Bandits Stick Up Craigslist Bitcoin Seller http://qntra.net/2015/06/bandits-stick-up-craigslist-bitcoin-seller/
1155438;1433538410;mircea_popescu;do the same, not likely ot kill ya.
1155439;1433538770;mike_c;jurov: is that a debug build?
1155440;1433538777;jurov;yes
1155441;1433538797;mircea_popescu;why ?
1155442;1433538808;mike_c;wouldn't run because missing msvcp100d.dll, the debug version of that library.
1155443;1433538829;mircea_popescu;jurov wouldn't it make sense to just strip the symbols and etc for a release ?
1155444;1433538829;scoopbot_revived;Eulora for Windows http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows
1155445;1433538842;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: lets go with "Damien Wayne"
1155446;1433538848;jurov;^ mircea_popescu your url.
1155447;1433538860;jurov;but ofc it will need to be updated
1155448;1433538904;mike_c;won't it likely also run quite slowly?  is it tough to get release building?
1155449;1433538925;jurov;it ran fine here
1155450;1433538953;mike_c;you have the debug VC redistributable file :)
1155451;1433539018;jurov;no i mean the speed
1155452;1433539023;mike_c;ah
1155453;1433539058;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://dpaste.com/19CPJP7
1155454;1433539060;assbot;dpaste: 19CPJP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha7EP2 )
1155455;1433539068;mircea_popescu;(you pick your own name in game)
1155456;1433539073;thestringpuller;ah
1155457;1433539092;mircea_popescu;jurov danke
1155458;1433539191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00036001 = 30.3128 BTC [+]
1155459;1433539222;mircea_popescu;in other news, stuff that'll get cazalla sent to prison : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbf37krn4p1qkw0kjo1_1280.jpg
1155460;1433539222;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w )
1155461;1433539264;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo "The dangers of trapping has"
1155462;1433539265;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155463;1433539618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20427544 = 2.4513 BTC [-]
1155464;1433539794;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i think it's only illegal if she was urinating on another
1155465;1433539797;shinohai;http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w   <<< the fount or reddit's knowledge
1155466;1433539798;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha9YWp )
1155467;1433539805;shinohai;*of
1155468;1433540296;mike_c;I feel so close yet so far :)  jurov: do you think you can crank out a release version or should I hunt down a debug version of the VC libraries?
1155469;1433540343;jurov;mike_c i don't know, try with the debug version
1155470;1433540436;kuzetsa;this new !verify thing was unexpected, but not too hard to figure out
1155471;1433540489;mircea_popescu;cazalla oh i c
1155472;1433540503;mircea_popescu;kuzetsa you here for the eulora ? :D
1155473;1433540520;cazalla;speaking of eulora, binaries avail yet?
1155474;1433540526;trinque;what's australia now, alabama of the sea?
1155475;1433540529;mircea_popescu;yes jurov just made a windows thing
1155476;1433540534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224450 @ 0.00034931 = 78.4026 BTC [-] {2} 
1155477;1433540552;cazalla;in logs? (still catching up)
1155478;1433540558;jurov;..that doesn't work outside msvc10 yet
1155479;1433540586;mircea_popescu;cazalla apparently it doesn't work 100% yet but hey, won't be long nao
1155480;1433540670;kuzetsa;no, I play everquest, minecraft, kerbal space program, and various game APKs on my android device but nothing about eulora looks interesting to me :(
1155481;1433540682;kuzetsa;not my cup of tea
1155482;1433540700;mircea_popescu;aok
1155483;1433540823;cazalla;kuzetsa, p99?
1155484;1433540883;kuzetsa;no, proper everquest (even though it's now run by daybreak games ever since the sony online entertainment studio had all the rights sold)
1155485;1433540937;cazalla;yeah, i heard about that, my bet is eqn gets shitcanned too
1155486;1433540998;cazalla;best mmorpg evar, but i can't imagine playing eq post velious tbh
1155487;1433541007;kuzetsa;loosing out on whatever EQN supposedly brought with it isn't anything I'll miss (hell, I was never invested into such things enough to even know what it is)
1155488;1433541039;kuzetsa;I'm pretty sure AAs were pre-velious
1155489;1433541051;kuzetsa;I've got a non-zero amount of AAs on my main
1155490;1433541055;cazalla;AAs came with PoP
1155491;1433541072;cazalla;actually might've been luclin
1155492;1433541089;kuzetsa;I've gotta admit, I never paid attention to the timeline enough to know if planes of power / luclin / velious / etc. etc. etc. came before or after <other expansion>
1155493;1433541130;cazalla;kunark, velious, luclin, planes of power, frog xpac which was the first dlc (when i quit)
1155494;1433541139;kuzetsa;nod
1155495;1433541148;cazalla;i spent 16 hours a day playing that shit for years so..
1155496;1433541198;kuzetsa;I did that on starwars galaxies
1155497;1433541226;cazalla;never played it but i have read that it was great prior to some big patch
1155498;1433541244;kuzetsa;I started with everquest, but once that came out SWG became my main MMO for 7 years but then they shut it down a while ago so I dunno
1155499;1433541294;kuzetsa;I miss it, and that "old republic" MMO is rubbish and almost none of my friends from SWG liked it and neither did I lol
1155500;1433541372;cazalla;i still have my old eq boxes with the keith parkinson artwork, wouldn't mind getting some of his long ago signed pieces http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/sov.jpg but can't really spring for it at this point
1155501;1433541374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaeRyI )
1155502;1433541385;cazalla;for the money spent on it, swtor was utter shit
1155503;1433541395;kuzetsa;lol yeah
1155504;1433541419;kuzetsa;too much work on game engine design and not enough development into the worldbuidling, gameplay, and storyline
1155505;1433541421;kuzetsa;it's nothing like SWG
1155506;1433541459;cazalla;his diablo 2 art is nice too http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/diablo2.png
1155507;1433541461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HafacH )
1155508;1433541515;cazalla;kuzetsa, i didn't even reach the level cap in swtor, it was basically an inferior WoW with voice overs
1155509;1433541529;kuzetsa;heh
1155510;1433541540;jurov;mike_c there? looks like i have nondebug build
1155511;1433541887;danielpbarron;!up referredbyloper_
1155512;1433541923;jurov;mike_c or anyone else who has downloaded the win32 package: unpack this in C:\Eulora\June2015\Eulora
1155513;1433541936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50687 @ 0.00034781 = 17.6294 BTC [-] {2} 
1155514;1433541960;jurov;http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z
1155515;1433541966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HagKeR )
1155516;1433542030;jurov;(only binaries, 11MB)
1155517;1433542066;trinque;jurov: prolly good to post a hash of teh thing
1155518;1433542118;jurov;sha256sum 7f02d5a9e0d42422a82b28e1a08ee3765798e75e604082fddac9164def6c4f7a  Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z
1155519;1433542124;jurov;thx trinque
1155520;1433542144;trinque;sweet
1155521;1433542640;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yes, and possibly the curated porn list. I've been busy this week on a rescue mission
1155522;1433542664;mircea_popescu;kitens ?
1155523;1433542716;williamdunne;Gay disabled blind orphan paraplegic puppies
1155524;1433542769;trinque;reminds me of some old flash game from the 90s that involved an amputee dog
1155525;1433542864;williamdunne;>flash
1155526;1433542914;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: newz!
1155527;1433542923;asciilifeform;1) phuctor now has 'download this key' link
1155528;1433542924;trinque;williamdunne: 90s were all about flash mang
1155529;1433542960;williamdunne;While its not 90s, for me it was always Runescape
1155530;1433542963;asciilifeform;2) http://nosuchlabs.com/rss but not sure if this can be used in battlefield, because - guess what - werker never marked dates of phuctoring, and hence db schema never had a place for this. ergo the only dates we have are of -date submitted-
1155531;1433542965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HakgFZ )
1155532;1433542965;williamdunne;~2003
1155533;1433542997;asciilifeform;presently the rss link displays last 10 (in order added to db in first place, rather than order-of-phuctoring)
1155534;1433543009;asciilifeform;the whole thing -will- have to be re-written...
1155535;1433543040;*;asciilifeform fucking hates www programming and anything even remotely connected
1155536;1433543065;jurov;asciilifeform wd!
1155537;1433543068;trinque;even hunchentoot?
1155538;1433543071;asciilifeform;well not quite wd
1155539;1433543073;asciilifeform;see above
1155540;1433543086;asciilifeform;trinque: even hunchentoot. the www stack is fundamentally retarded
1155541;1433543096;trinque;can't argue with that
1155542;1433543096;jurov;like my windows binaries. *shrug*
1155543;1433543133;jurov;is anyone trying them? if not' i'm supposed to wake up tmrw
1155544;1433543143;jurov;and sleep before that
1155545;1433543162;trinque;jurov: I have no windoze box to test with, but will be derping with gentoo 64 tomorrow
1155546;1433543255;williamdunne;I'll have a shot with Windoze tomorrow
1155547;1433543400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80650 @ 0.00035661 = 28.7606 BTC [+]
1155548;1433543427;cazalla;mircea_popescu, please to provide me with a login/pass for eulora
1155549;1433543442;cazalla;jurov, i'll give your windows binaries a whirl in a moment
1155550;1433543469;cazalla;crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw
1155551;1433543487;shinohai;ty asciilifeform for the rss feed, as now I can search easily from my irc client :D
1155552;1433543501;asciilifeform;shinohai: it may or may not be usable, please read disclaimer
1155553;1433543531;asciilifeform;the reason i cannot say for certain, is that i have very little idea of what a typical rss -reader- does with the timestamp
1155554;1433543541;asciilifeform;and can't presently be arsed to research it
1155555;1433543558;kakobrekla;hence rss suicide joke.
1155556;1433543565;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: ?
1155557;1433543592;kakobrekla;i thought it was in the bash somewhere
1155558;1433543636;funkenstein_;greets -  I'm curious what all y'all have to say about moxie's review of gpg
1155559;1433543649;funkenstein_;http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/
1155560;1433543649;assbot;Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hambua )
1155561;1433543652;kakobrekla;anyway, the idea was that Aaron Swartz made suicide precisely because of RSS
1155562;1433543655;asciilifeform;!s marlinspike
1155563;1433543656;assbot;12 results for 'marlinspike' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marlinspike
1155564;1433543661;asciilifeform;funkenstein_ ^
1155565;1433543694;funkenstein_;ah thanks...    *runs to catch up*
1155566;1433543701;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: short version - mr m is a usg shill
1155567;1433543716;funkenstein_;:o
1155568;1433543756;trinque;til he picked that name on purpose
1155569;1433543769;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#975028 yeah.
1155570;1433543769;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 23:56:21; kakobrekla: whoever responsible for rss should commit suicide.
1155571;1433543769;asciilifeform;trinque: it's a navalism, like 'mark twain'
1155572;1433543791;funkenstein_;maybe he saw the future of reddit
1155573;1433543797;trinque;asciilifeform: yep, sounded like hippie parents to me
1155574;1433543802;shinohai;lol
1155575;1433543813;asciilifeform;and naggum then perhaps performed seppuku to atone for xml
1155576;1433543867;mircea_popescu;motherfucker NOTHING WORKS
1155577;1433543871;asciilifeform;aha.
1155578;1433543881;mircea_popescu;open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti
1155579;1433543885;asciilifeform;aha.
1155580;1433543906;mircea_popescu;19:42:04Error:Connection timed out.
1155581;1433543909;asciilifeform;mine?
1155582;1433543915;mircea_popescu;is pureftpd up and listening oin port ? yes.
1155583;1433543922;mircea_popescu;is port open in firewall ? yes.
1155584;1433543927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: passive mode ?
1155585;1433543941;mircea_popescu;and what am i to do, go rebuild apache or install alsa or what the fucking shit already
1155586;1433543946;asciilifeform;ftp by default on many systems expects an idiot back-connect
1155587;1433543957;asciilifeform;on random (yes) port
1155588;1433543985;mircea_popescu;forcing passive doesn't do anything
1155589;1433544082;asciilifeform;would have to sniff packets on both sides and see where, if anywhere, they went. alternatively, set fire to it
1155590;1433544153;trinque;dwarf fortress tends to come to mind there
1155591;1433544161;trinque;you could learn how to play, and it might end up being fun, but wtf bother
1155592;1433544162;mircea_popescu;yes, because that's what i'm going to do with my time, sniff motherfucking packlets.
1155593;1433544175;jurov;cazalla, i got it fine quickly from cs
1155594;1433544178;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also earlier (20 min or so) thread re: rss
1155595;1433544193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160449 @ 0.00036022 = 57.7969 BTC [+] {3} 
1155596;1433544218;jurov;also, added its sum to http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows . looks like they don't publish the checksums at all
1155597;1433544218;assbot;Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQUOIQ )
1155598;1433544250;jurov;^ temporary instructions there,
1155599;1433544254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8545 @ 0.00035939 = 3.071 BTC [-]
1155600;1433544348;asciilifeform;in other nyooz,
1155601;1433544349;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9EAEC825308C0EFCC787F82E9B5F2EEA4775641C49274D12A1EB2B6520F7FD1
1155602;1433544352;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQV62f )
1155603;1433544366;asciilifeform;^ non-'magic'
1155604;1433544470;asciilifeform;factors 3, 7, 11, 23
1155605;1433544516;cazalla;jurov, any idea what this is on the cs-winlibs install? can't find C:\Program Files (x86)\MSYS\msys\1.0\etc\profile when installing MSYS integration settings
1155606;1433544517;asciilifeform;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=line%40home.com&op=index << and, as always, somebody 'helpfully' uploaded it 'on top of' this fella's genuine key
1155607;1433544518;assbot;Search results for 'line home com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaoEVx )
1155608;1433544567;jurov;you don't have msys, nor vs, that can be safely cancelled
1155609;1433544579;jurov;cazalla ^
1155610;1433544661;cazalla;hmm no go, missing MSVCP100D.dll
1155611;1433544717;jurov;damn
1155612;1433544794;asciilifeform;hm, 'line home com' has -two identical- keys, uploaded on same date, bitwise same
1155613;1433544807;jurov;http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5555 cazalla you can try this
1155614;1433544808;assbot;Download Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) from Official Microsoft Download Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQWdPF )
1155615;1433544811;asciilifeform;so no sample of undiddled modulus for this key is known.
1155616;1433544821;cazalla;jurov, just did, same error
1155617;1433544861;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is the second or perhaps third instance thus far that i have found so far of someone who -will- be spoken to using phucked key if anyone ever bothers to speak to him
1155618;1433544914;asciilifeform;aaand we are now at precisely 40 phucked moduli.
1155619;1433544961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform line@home ?
1155620;1433544986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00035398 = 5.6106 BTC [-]
1155621;1433545011;mircea_popescu;cazalla coming up
1155622;1433545157;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://dpaste.com/3A2ZYVP
1155623;1433545159;assbot;dpaste: 3A2ZYVP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Haqe9I )
1155624;1433545209;mircea_popescu;<cazalla> crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw << link ? jurov can then mirror it along with everything else.
1155625;1433545280;cazalla;jurov problem with what i'm doing or the client? not sure what else i can do here now
1155626;1433545345;mircea_popescu;for the record, my ftp problem was that someone had the bright idea of allowing port 21, but not port 20.
1155627;1433545348;mircea_popescu;needless to say...
1155628;1433545673;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: earlier link to freshly phucked key
1155629;1433545835;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: can the rss thing be made to work as expected in the form of a #b-a bot ? or too b0rk3d
1155630;1433545920;jurov;asciilifeform: you mean bot reading rss feed? we have that.
1155631;1433546057;williamdunne;Scoopbot can read any RSS or atom feed
1155632;1433546072;kakobrekla;as far as i can tell dates are incorrect but the order is correct in your feed ? thats workable. perhaps scoop can cover it. i can too.
1155633;1433546078;asciilifeform;williamdunne: the dates are entirely unusable. see thread
1155634;1433546104;asciilifeform;i recall that mircea_popescu asked for a real-time phuctor ticker.
1155635;1433546108;asciilifeform;hence why i attempted it
1155636;1433546187;kakobrekla;williamdunne be my guest!
1155637;1433546585;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Dates aren't involved in Scoop's processes
1155638;1433546612;williamdunne;Thoroughly ignored by him.
1155639;1433546645;williamdunne;Uses a persisted Map of URLs to objects. Messages when he sees a new one
1155640;1433546664;asciilifeform;what determines 'new' ?
1155641;1433546675;williamdunne;Whether or not the URL is in the map
1155642;1433546682;asciilifeform;and stores forever ?
1155643;1433546696;williamdunne;Persisted, yes
1155644;1433546704;asciilifeform;thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice.
1155645;1433546715;asciilifeform;rss provided no sane way to handle this.
1155646;1433546725;williamdunne;In this case I may have to make a custom set of rules for Phuctor
1155647;1433546743;williamdunne;This is not a problem, so long as something changes between first seen and the update
1155648;1433546752;williamdunne;(title, ideally)
1155649;1433546795;asciilifeform;it is entirely possible for same key to be 'new' twice in succession.
1155650;1433546845;williamdunne;Within how long of each other?
1155651;1433546855;asciilifeform;immediately.
1155652;1433546867;williamdunne;Well then why does this matter? Scoop shares it once and you see both
1155653;1433546891;asciilifeform;it doesn't matter. just pointing out that the thing follows literally none of the prescribed assumptions
1155654;1433546904;asciilifeform;wouldn't want scoopbot to choke on it
1155655;1433546931;williamdunne;Fair enough, think he'll do fine. Fits in quite well with his existing logic
1155656;1433547057;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38mhrh/call_me_inconsiderate_but_this_is_why_i_dont_take/crw6atd
1155657;1433547058;assbot;luke-jr comments on Call me inconsiderate, but THIS is why I don't take Luke-Jr seriously: He lost the majority of his coins on Mt. Gox when there were signs FOR MONTHS to NOT keep coins there. He lacks the ability to properly gauge situations and look into the future. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxr94n )
1155658;1433547073;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice. << it'll be fine im sure.
1155659;1433547170;asciilifeform;was just pointing out the braindamage of the whole concept of rss
1155660;1433547182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00035104 = 27.6795 BTC [-]
1155661;1433547193;asciilifeform;(and this is entirely aside from the idiocy of how servers get polled continuously, etc)
1155662;1433547198;williamdunne;>just using it for safekeeping
1155663;1433547199;williamdunne;Yes
1155664;1433547202;williamdunne;RSS is silly
1155665;1433547220;williamdunne;With Scoop I worked out a structure that fixes some of the issues
1155666;1433547223;williamdunne;i.e Dates
1155667;1433547268;williamdunne;Re: polling, what would you suggest as the alternative? Websockets?
1155668;1433547285;asciilifeform;williamdunne: no
1155669;1433547291;asciilifeform;williamdunne: a proper internet
1155670;1433547312;asciilifeform;as in, we take everything post-1990 or so and shoot it. then start over.
1155671;1433547326;williamdunne;I'll get working on it on Monday
1155672;1433547330;williamdunne;;)
1155673;1433547330;asciilifeform;l0l
1155674;1433547506;williamdunne;Anyhow, what in particular is wrong with it? While there is a host of derpy technologies I'm quite fond of some things - like WebSockets
1155675;1433547520;asciilifeform;williamdunne: fundamentally - the idiot polling
1155676;1433547525;asciilifeform;all else follows from this.
1155677;1433547572;williamdunne;Isn't that the point of WebSockets, getting rid of derpy polling?
1155678;1433547583;williamdunne;No moar ajax polling
1155679;1433547670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34271 @ 0.00034316 = 11.7604 BTC [-] {2} 
1155680;1433547731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51129 @ 0.00034012 = 17.39 BTC [-] {2} 
1155681;1433549502;williamdunne;How does one go about securing a Eurola account?
1155682;1433549586;cazalla;and a long and drawn out process
1155683;1433549588;mircea_popescu;secureing from what ?
1155684;1433549596;williamdunne;Acquiring, in other words
1155685;1433549599;williamdunne;Registering
1155686;1433549631;mircea_popescu;ah, ima get you one, a sec.
1155687;1433549663;cazalla;williamdunne cut the foreplay and just ask
1155688;1433549721;williamdunne;cazalla: foreplay is half the fun
1155689;1433549727;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Thanks MP
1155690;1433549744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00033561 = 41.6156 BTC [-]
1155691;1433549794;mircea_popescu;williamdunne http://dpaste.com/23J9SCM
1155692;1433549796;assbot;dpaste: 23J9SCM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt8qZb )
1155693;1433549988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63650 @ 0.00033561 = 21.3616 BTC [-]
1155694;1433550009;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Correct
1155695;1433550110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00034392 = 9.7501 BTC [+] {2} 
1155696;1433550112;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Oh wait I take it back, thats me derping. Message comes up blank
1155697;1433551240;*;asciilifeform just woke up to the fact that he was a fool when originally wrote phuctor. a phuctored modulus must fragment into factors, each of which is in turn subject to all future attempts at phuctoring
1155698;1433551258;asciilifeform;(if composite per rabin-miller)
1155699;1433551272;*;williamdunne whoosh
1155700;1433551277;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^^^^^^
1155701;1433551317;asciilifeform;as it is, the gigantic turds yielded by the current gcd finds will not break apart
1155702;1433551411;asciilifeform;the mechanics of a correct phuctor are, roughly: thing keeps track of keys, rsa moduli within, as existing phuctor does; but instead of flagging 'phuctored' moduli, we keep table of known factors (associated with respective unknowns, which, in turn, may be yet-unphuctored moduli -or- fragments previously created by successful phuctorings)
1155703;1433551470;asciilifeform;likewise, each unknown is stamped with a date of last gcd-ing, as well as sha512 of the mass product at the time this was done.
1155704;1433551551;*;asciilifeform wanders off to contemplate this
1155705;1433551879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161000 @ 0.00035452 = 57.0777 BTC [+] {4} 
1155706;1433552002;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that sounds like a good idea
1155707;1433552029;decimation;it would be nice to click on '3' and call up all the moduli which are factored by '3'
1155708;1433552066;decimation;williamdunne: websockets are 'tardation on top of tardation
1155709;1433552224;williamdunne;What is particularly tarded about WS?
1155710;1433552228;*;williamdunne still doesn't get it
1155711;1433552298;decimation;the shortcomings of turning a fundamentally broadcast technology into a 'virtual channel'
1155712;1433552308;decimation;inside of which you place another virtual channel
1155713;1433552353;williamdunne;While with that description it does sound a bit tarded, in practise I've found them to work very well
1155714;1433552371;decimation;sure, so do 1950's era pickups in cuba
1155715;1433552402;trinque;williamdunne: on the one hand there's a superficial "did I make it do something, and did it 'work'"
1155716;1433552418;trinque;and on the other there's considering the entire stack that got you to that point, and whether that made any sense
1155717;1433552436;trinque;first off the thing's not a socket; iirc it throws you wads o' data piecemeal
1155718;1433552448;trinque;you can't stream arbitrary binary data over it
1155719;1433552458;trinque;(maybe I'm wrong? don't think so)
1155720;1433552486;danielpbarron;!up DanyAlos
1155721;1433552549;trinque;I mean to be specific it's a wrapper around a socket with certain assumptions on how it'll be used; it doesn't just give you a raw unix socket and say "go at it"
1155722;1433552648;trinque;apparently in some newer version of the standard it has a binary streaming thing
1155723;1433552662;williamdunne;Would there be any particular benefit to that in its intended usage? JSON/MsgPack/whatever all work fine with anything I can imagine being necessary on the web
1155724;1433552672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00033557 = 22.0134 BTC [-] {2} 
1155725;1433552712;trinque;williamdunne: what do you want to do with it?
1155726;1433552763;williamdunne;Streaming basic pricing data, and submitting/receiving bets are the two I have used it for
1155727;1433552776;trinque;oh, you wanted bitbet to provide a websocket?
1155728;1433552777;williamdunne;Fairly simplistic stuff
1155729;1433552784;williamdunne;Nope
1155730;1433552788;williamdunne;Unrelated
1155731;1433552792;trinque;ah k
1155732;1433552813;trinque;so adding a bunch of persistent connections is going to increase overhead
1155733;1433552814;williamdunne;But if there were best happening more than every second, sure that'd be a great feature to see
1155734;1433552850;williamdunne;Overhead vs the AJAX method? I'd bet otherwise
1155735;1433552860;trinque;no need to bet.
1155736;1433552864;trinque;it depends on what users are doing
1155737;1433552879;williamdunne;Aha
1155738;1433552881;trinque;on the one hand, anyone with the site open in a tab is going to be a connection your server will have open
1155739;1433552894;trinque;on the ajax side, you may have tons of unnecessary polling
1155740;1433552909;trinque;so you would have to actually try both and see based on your own situation which is more expensive
1155741;1433552931;trinque;I think nginx does pretty well handling a bunch of idle websocket connections
1155742;1433552943;trinque;and can hand them off to some backend nicely
1155743;1433552947;williamdunne;Very true, but anything where the data is somewhat frequent I reckon would be better off in WS
1155744;1433552956;williamdunne;Yes, I was using Phoenix which handles it very well
1155745;1433552960;trinque;there are other things to consider
1155746;1433552967;trinque;browsers can pipeline requests through the same connection
1155747;1433552999;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining
1155748;1433552999;assbot;HTTP pipelining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1eU5Kap )
1155749;1433553005;trinque;so the ajax vs ws thing may be more similar than it appears
1155750;1433553099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144984 @ 0.00035944 = 52.113 BTC [+] {4} 
1155751;1433553198;trinque;"keep-alive" is the thing to look into there
1155752;1433553373;williamdunne;Yeah, server send events or summin
1155753;1433553587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00036084 = 18.9982 BTC [+]
1155754;1433553625;trinque;williamdunne: I don't even mean that, just that polling might not look much different load-wise from the WS doing its thing
1155755;1433553654;trinque;that said I've used websockets; the whole browser's shit, subset of which WS are shit
1155756;1433553656;trinque;lol
1155757;1433553854;trinque;williamdunne: and to elaborate on the reason why, the browser was a nightmarish wad of complexity before WS
1155758;1433553864;trinque;WS just bolt another huge attack surface to the thing
1155759;1433553883;trinque;it would not blow my mind if there are session hijacking hax to be found within, so on
1155760;1433556149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82850 @ 0.00035133 = 29.1077 BTC [-]
1155761;1433556393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00035164 = 23.2786 BTC [+] {2} 
1155762;1433556906;cazalla;!up referredbyloper
1155763;1433557003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00036149 = 5.7296 BTC [+] {2} 
1155764;1433557430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39446 @ 0.00035062 = 13.8306 BTC [-]
1155765;1433557551;trinque;!s referredbyloper
1155766;1433557552;assbot;25 results for 'referredbyloper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=referredbyloper
1155767;1433557586;trinque;cazalla: pretty sure that's a bot which only spams one link
1155768;1433557631;cazalla;ah ok, i assumed it might be someone coming here from asciilifeform's site in the same manner qntra directs people here
1155769;1433557652;trinque;yep guy's clearly trying to make it look so
1155770;1433557763;referredbyloper;hey no, i'm not spam bot :D
1155771;1433557797;referredbyloper;just don't want to go through reg and things
1155772;1433557819;referredbyloper;trading most of the day, an find this channel realy amusing
1155773;1433557860;trinque;referredbyloper: well good; you weren't showing any signs of life!
1155774;1433557871;trinque;and how long does it take to register anywya
1155775;1433557927;cazalla;referredbyloper, you think i'm funny, i amuse you?
1155776;1433557954;referredbyloper;yes, drunken bitching about bad marriage and things
1155777;1433557979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034811 = 10.4781 BTC [-] {2} 
1155778;1433557987;trinque;brutal
1155779;1433557998;trinque;referredbyloper: register so he can negrate you
1155780;1433558000;cazalla;lol harsh
1155781;1433559075;asciilifeform;in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/641F87E0A992064EB7CD91BC6CC7203AD8D83FFABA7C6724A698A23F61C0C1E8
1155782;1433559105;asciilifeform;(williamdunne? was there a scoopbot thing under testing?)
1155783;1433559444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133900 @ 0.00034989 = 46.8503 BTC [+] {4} 
1155784;1433560186;cazalla;https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/bitcoin-leaders-speak-up-block-size
1155785;1433560188;assbot;7 Bitcoin Leaders Speak Up On Bitcoin Block Size Debate ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqXSd6 )
1155786;1433560216;cazalla;who's that at #4 heh
1155787;1433560222;*;asciilifeform astonished
1155788;1433561064;punkman;good ol' justus
1155789;1433561072;punkman;"Justus Ranvier has one  of the more interesting opinions on the bitcoin blockchain that doesn’t  seem to get much attention. In his view, there is no need for the block  size limit to exist at all."
1155790;1433561157;punkman;http://monetas.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/03.jpg
1155791;1433561158;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuCEJV )
1155792;1433561396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00034374 = 27.8086 BTC [-] {2} 
1155793;1433561769;punkman;!up The20YearIRCloud
1155794;1433561774;punkman;!up WolfGoethe
1155795;1433561778;The20YearIRCloud;howdy punkman
1155796;1433561789;WolfGoethe;yo
1155797;1433561811;The20YearIRCloud;hi
1155798;1433561815;WolfGoethe;some fool locking up my coins with bogus trades. what fool wants to deposit cash to the bank... at midnight???
1155799;1433561832;punkman;lolwut
1155800;1433561862;The20YearIRCloud;sounds like pure fun
1155801;1433561971;The20YearIRCloud;So I miss anything interesting or fun with mpex in the past 2-3 months?
1155802;1433561996;punkman;account opening fee is now 50btc
1155803;1433562311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00036169 = 15.1729 BTC [+]
1155804;1433562641;The20YearIRCloud;Interesting
1155805;1433562659;The20YearIRCloud;Quite a bit more than the title 4 exchanges I've been talking to in the US
1155806;1433562739;decimation;title 4 exchanges?
1155807;1433563092;The20YearIRCloud;Yeah , crowdexchanges here in the US now that the SEC has finally got off their butt and allowed small companies to list on new exchanges.
1155808;1433563107;The20YearIRCloud;Exchanges with less regulation an requirements (mostly) than even OTC
1155809;1433563196;The20YearIRCloud;Granted, i guess if you wanted a $10k+ threshhold it'd make sense to up it to 50btc due to all the recent slides
1155810;1433563226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16426 @ 0.00035586 = 5.8454 BTC [-]
1155811;1433564263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90552 @ 0.00034379 = 31.1309 BTC [-] {4} 
1155812;1433564385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00033546 = 30.594 BTC [-] {3} 
1155813;1433565300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00035275 = 16.3676 BTC [+]
1155814;1433565483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46161 @ 0.0003371 = 15.5609 BTC [-]
1155815;1433565544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6182 @ 0.00033423 = 2.0662 BTC [-]
1155816;1433565788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32455 @ 0.00034683 = 11.2564 BTC [+] {2} 
1155817;1433567008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.0003583 = 9.5666 BTC [+]
1155818;1433567069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6182 @ 0.0003583 = 2.215 BTC [+]
1155819;1433567618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00036163 = 7.0337 BTC [+]
1155820;1433567862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0003583 = 3.0814 BTC [-]
1155821;1433567951;asciilifeform;!up Bingo_bar
1155822;1433567975;Bingo_bar;Fuck the god dampened pony track
1155823;1433567984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00036163 = 21.9509 BTC [+]
1155824;1433568032;Bingo_bar;But buffet was full of recycled food
1155825;1433568083;asciilifeform;http://www.burnsideinstitute.com/robot_book/robots.html << with english transl.
1155826;1433568085;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2Akyl )
1155827;1433568096;asciilifeform;mega-book ^
1155828;1433568102;Bingo_bar;Quarter horse raced blew
1155829;1433568129;Bingo_bar;Back... properly Sunday...
1155830;1433568239;cazalla;ya win?
1155831;1433568334;Bingo_bar;Not really
1155832;1433568374;jurov;;;ticker
1155833;1433568376;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.52, Best ask: 224.55, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 224.51, 24 hour volume: 17679.8669452, 24 hour low: 222.65, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None
1155834;1433568383;jurov;!mpif
1155835;1433568384;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1155836;1433568472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90900 @ 0.00036167 = 32.8758 BTC [+] {3} 
1155837;1433568899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22312 @ 0.00036177 = 8.0718 BTC [+]
1155838;1433569600;decimation;asciilifeform: he predicts the roomba by a few decades :)
1155839;1433569661;decimation;lol punch tape to program the robot
1155840;1433569692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.0003618 = 18.5965 BTC [+] {2} 
1155841;1433570058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74014 @ 0.0003583 = 26.5192 BTC [-]
1155842;1433570363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00036191 = 37.9282 BTC [+]
1155843;1433570607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00036191 = 9.7354 BTC [+]
1155844;1433571156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17908 @ 0.00036191 = 6.4811 BTC [+]
1155845;1433571217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49842 @ 0.00036216 = 18.0508 BTC [+] {2} 
1155846;1433571264;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155700 no dude.
1155847;1433571264;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 00:41:17; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^^^
1155848;1433571294;mircea_popescu;lol you're in the position of someone who made a moon exploration vessel, discovered life on the moon and is now kicking himself for not having included a condom factory in the ship.
1155849;1433571332;mircea_popescu;at the time phuctor was designed in 2013, the idea was that no keys could ever be factored. for this purpose, phuctor as designed is exactly adequate.
1155850;1433571362;mircea_popescu;yes, moduli that it flags should be put through a proper factorization. this is a task a) separate from what phuctor does and b) to be done indepentently of what phuctor does.
1155851;1433571389;mircea_popescu;you don't include bakeries into wheat harvesters to be driven across wheat fields, and you don't need phuctor to do everything either.
1155852;1433571418;mircea_popescu;let anyone with a clue (tm) do it themselves, it doesn't take much more brain than what a chicken has to cluck at the freshly disturbed ground for that's where the worms are.
1155853;1433571427;mircea_popescu;and if nobody does it, we'll do it, once phuctor's done running.
1155854;1433571571;jurov;it won't stop running soon. i have in pipeline some 1e6 rsa keys from github i'd like to kindly bestow upon phuctor
1155855;1433571583;mircea_popescu;in unrelated but more interesting news, it's been pointed out to me pluriously by now that http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/ fails to include some rather interesting points, chiefly what about the rest of the cardano, other than the rng ? has it been ordered ? is it to be ordered soon ?
1155856;1433571583;assbot;No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkFxkj )
1155857;1433571604;mircea_popescu;jurov no problems.
1155858;1433571620;mircea_popescu;your offering is muchly appreciated.
1155859;1433571636;jurov;(^ ^)
1155860;1433572010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00036219 = 10.0689 BTC [+]
1155861;1433572189;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155715 << http://trilema.com/2014/the-great-post-of-rebuttals/#selection-243.0-243.275
1155862;1433572189;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 01:00:02; trinque: williamdunne: on the one hand there's a superficial "did I make it do something, and did it 'work'"
1155863;1433572190;assbot;The great post of rebuttals on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkFRPT )
1155864;1433572190;scoopbot_revived;Nocturnal revelation http://trilema.com/2015/nocturnal-revelation/
1155865;1433572193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37540 @ 0.00036219 = 13.5966 BTC [+]
1155866;1433572243;mircea_popescu;every stupidity's excused by youth, people genuinely think the 80s were cool just because that's the first time they got laid. people actually used to think bellbottoms look hot because they remembered them filled with round butts of the fillies they cared about, back in that age.
1155867;1433572264;mircea_popescu;let's not confuse the humanity we see reflected in the eyes of the beast with the actual beast.
1155868;1433572681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20959 @ 0.00036227 = 7.5928 BTC [+] {2} 
1155869;1433573047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55550 @ 0.00036312 = 20.1713 BTC [+]
1155870;1433573176;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155723 << this is bad design in principle, merely asking this question. if you visualise the stuff of design as a graph, what this does is introduce a cyclicity in it, which makes the graph no longer computable, or for that matter usable.
1155871;1433573176;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 01:04:22; williamdunne: Would there be any particular benefit to that in its intended usage? JSON/MsgPack/whatever all work fine with anything I can imagine being necessary on the web
1155872;1433573231;mircea_popescu;you may never consider "the benefit" of design when designing, in these terms.
1155873;1433573271;mircea_popescu;to understand why, think of someone making a map. he doesn't ask "does this rock benefit anyone or may i just omit it from my map ?" because while the thing may not benefit, the omission sinks ships.
1155874;1433573442;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155785 << dude check out the "leader" factory. i wish to know, are these leaded leaders or unleaded leaders ?
1155875;1433573442;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 03:09:48; assbot: 7 Bitcoin Leaders Speak Up On Bitcoin Block Size Debate ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqXSd6 )
1155876;1433573479;*;mircea_popescu remembers a quainter time, back when to be a leader one first had to be followed. a time when "being certified" was another way to say "being insane". stuff like that.
1155877;1433573511;punkman;they get followed on twitter!
1155878;1433573527;mircea_popescu;oh nm. my bad.
1155879;1433573539;mircea_popescu;i don't understand how the world works.
1155880;1433573674;mircea_popescu;in other news, fresh from the ranch of unmanly grips, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqczh9dc1m1qc6pb2o1_1280.jpg
1155881;1433573675;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KgbzuL )
1155882;1433573841;mircea_popescu;"The libertarian Bitcoinists need to get out of their bubble. Yes, they created BItcoin, but it doesn't belong to them, it belongs to anybody and everybody, and it simply can't live on existing as it did in 2013."
1155883;1433573842;mircea_popescu;herp.
1155884;1433573877;mircea_popescu;dear world : fuck you. you will adapt to every nook and crany of our thought. ESPECIALLY the really painful, apparently gratuitous ones. love, ~the "libertarians".
1155885;1433574023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48800 @ 0.00036312 = 17.7203 BTC [+]
1155886;1433574389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57721 @ 0.00036318 = 20.9631 BTC [+] {2} 
1155887;1433574772;mircea_popescu;and to round off the bellbottoms point from before : and all sorts of things that AREN'T stupidities, various tiny gems ensconced in the broader turd get washed out with the water.
1155888;1433575487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.0003623 = 26.9189 BTC [-] {2} 
1155889;1433575975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26571 @ 0.0003583 = 9.5204 BTC [-]
1155890;1433576524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00035481 = 16.3567 BTC [-]
1155891;1433576646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00035169 = 20.5914 BTC [-]
1155892;1433577500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00035788 = 14.3868 BTC [+] {2} 
1155893;1433577927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97050 @ 0.00034984 = 33.952 BTC [-] {2} 
1155894;1433578293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56239 @ 0.00034778 = 19.5588 BTC [-]
1155895;1433578720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100953 @ 0.00034773 = 35.1044 BTC [-] {2} 
1155896;1433578781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210846 @ 0.00036326 = 76.5919 BTC [+]
1155897;1433579330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00036326 = 20.4515 BTC [+] {2} 
1155898;1433580672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72050 @ 0.00035523 = 25.5943 BTC [-] {2} 
1155899;1433581709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00036407 = 22.2447 BTC [+] {2} 
1155900;1433582441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.0003645 = 18.0428 BTC [+] {2} 
1155901;1433582758;shinohai;gm #bitcoin-ASSets https://i.imgur.com/mTA2R3G.webm
1155902;1433582760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GeVt2Q )
1155903;1433584393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277183 @ 0.00035513 = 98.436 BTC [-] {5} 
1155904;1433584494;cazalla;nice, i like em about that size shinohai, maybe a little less but all good
1155905;1433584538;shinohai;yw cazalla. I am generally good with it all, as long as it isn't "OMG it's COMING TOWARDS US!"
1155906;1433584653;cazalla;what's the hump at the top of her butt crack though
1155907;1433584792;shinohai;hmm ... butt tumor?
1155908;1433584844;cazalla;guess ya could put ya beer there while ya bang her from behind
1155909;1433584868;shinohai;lol
1155910;1433584977;shinohai;Let's hop over to reddit and see if I can make my head hurt this early in the morning.
1155911;1433585035;shinohai;;;ticker
1155912;1433585036;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.79, Best ask: 224.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 224.8, 24 hour volume: 8559.79475203, 24 hour low: 223.58, 24 hour high: 226.08, 24 hour vwap: None
1155913;1433585796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00035787 = 15.2453 BTC [+]
1155914;1433585892;shinohai;heh MP made the list @ #4 https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/bitcoin-leaders-speak-up-block-size
1155915;1433585893;assbot;7 Bitcoin Leaders Speak Up On Bitcoin Block Size Debate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jybe5P )
1155916;1433586223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23895 @ 0.00035787 = 8.5513 BTC [+]
1155917;1433586259;kakobrekla;>Uh Oh! We're sorry, but something went wrong.
1155918;1433587016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00035456 = 24.2164 BTC [-]
1155919;1433587504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00034849 = 26.2413 BTC [-] {2} 
1155920;1433587931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92950 @ 0.00035456 = 32.9564 BTC [+]
1155921;1433588907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00034454 = 14.3673 BTC [-] {4} 
1155922;1433589334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10405 @ 0.00035456 = 3.6892 BTC [+]
1155923;1433589395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81150 @ 0.000356 = 28.8894 BTC [+]
1155924;1433589822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36148 @ 0.00036454 = 13.1774 BTC [+]
1155925;1433591225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96487 @ 0.00035612 = 34.361 BTC [-] {3} 
1155926;1433591591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111250 @ 0.00034765 = 38.6761 BTC [-] {2} 
1155927;1433592201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00035802 = 13.0319 BTC [+]
1155928;1433592689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12305 @ 0.00035802 = 4.4054 BTC [+]
1155929;1433593177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00035942 = 15.3113 BTC [+] {2} 
1155930;1433595739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00036493 = 19.1588 BTC [+] {3} 
1155931;1433595983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00036675 = 29.23 BTC [+] {2} 
1155932;1433596105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101700 @ 0.00036761 = 37.3859 BTC [+] {2} 
1155933;1433596471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70513 @ 0.00036833 = 25.9721 BTC [+] {2} 
1155934;1433597386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109200 @ 0.00036895 = 40.2893 BTC [+] {2} 
1155935;1433597630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74950 @ 0.00036239 = 27.1611 BTC [-] {2} 
1155936;1433600145;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1758FA2FCC3CF671FF4BDB219AD583C50AB7E90AEAF7DBF7818E33745883F700
1155937;1433600148;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dU0jIr )
1155938;1433600280;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155855 << this was covered in an earlier broadcast. considering that these things will cost several hundred usd -each- to produce at mf, i would like to establish that they can produce even -one- defect-free unit of that board size and pad count. thus far, the defect rate suggests that they could not.
1155939;1433600280;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 06:19:43; mircea_popescu: in unrelated but more interesting news, it's been pointed out to me pluriously by now that http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/ fails to include some rather interesting points, chiefly what about the rest of the cardano, other than the rng ? has it been ordered ? is it to be ordered soon ?
1155940;1433600281;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1155941;1433600454;asciilifeform;i must point out, for what is probably the seventh or eighth time, that i have no safe means of selling any bitcoin whatsoever while i live in usa. (selling for paper money, theoretically possible and suicidally dangerous, does precisely nothing to offset ANY of my living OR engineering expenses.) THEREFORE entire operation is financed from my fiat salary. this imposes certain constraints, and a 'measure seven-thousand seven-h
1155942;1433600454;asciilifeform;undred and seventy-seven times, cut once' attitude.
1155943;1433600557;asciilifeform;among other things, it means that the first batch of cardano HAS TO work.
1155944;1433600715;asciilifeform;if i get a crate of duds on account of manufacturing defect, that's one thing, they take it back, try to fix. this costs months of added delay, but can live with
1155945;1433600734;asciilifeform;if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter
1155946;1433600848;asciilifeform;the defect rate is of concern because of the impossibility of -immediately and conclusively- establishing WHICH when i get the crate.
1155947;1433600854;asciilifeform;it has to be unambiguous.
1155948;1433600988;asciilifeform;e.g., -imagine- i pull the trigger and am out of several 10e3 usd. i now have half a dozen complete units. none of them function. what have i learned? that i am retarded? or that there is a solder void beneath a different decoupling capacitor on each board, summing up to a dud in each case but indistinguishable with my instruments
1155949;1433600989;asciilifeform;?
1155950;1433601386;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155850 << not quite. it's a mill of sorts, and it could be made to grind finer grain with minimal effort.
1155951;1433601386;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 06:16:02; mircea_popescu: yes, moduli that it flags should be put through a proper factorization. this is a task a) separate from what phuctor does and b) to be done indepentently of what phuctor does.
1155952;1433601469;asciilifeform;as it is, half the time it sees 4294967297 and - naturally - stops there
1155953;1433601704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean defect free batch ?
1155954;1433601717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00036015 = 2.5931 BTC [-]
1155955;1433601762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha there you are
1155956;1433601767;mircea_popescu;hai!
1155957;1433601898;asciilifeform;the above essentially sums to 'the problems of poverty'
1155958;1433601915;mircea_popescu;let me do teh summing hm ?
1155959;1433601923;asciilifeform;sum away.
1155960;1433601937;mircea_popescu;so, didja mean a fedect free batch ? or else did all the items meanwhile turn defective /
1155961;1433601956;asciilifeform;i mean that we have a pad defect rate of about 15 percent.
1155962;1433601969;asciilifeform;if the rng batch is any indication of general quality of the vendor.
1155963;1433602002;mircea_popescu;well if the rng is 30ish and the board 100, we could easily expect 3^2 that many defects in the board.
1155964;1433602030;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, what's the plan with it currently ?
1155965;1433602059;asciilifeform;this isn't lethal, but it does call for certain revisions in mainboard design. presently, i have reopened it, adding test points. and considering splitting mainboard in two, even. (also for testability)
1155966;1433602070;mircea_popescu;hm
1155967;1433602097;asciilifeform;this takes serious thought.
1155968;1433602103;*;asciilifeform does not often do 'serious thought'
1155969;1433602109;mircea_popescu;so basically, you're preparing a more mf-friendly board design (mostly to improve testability) and intend to have them try make half a dozen or something ?
1155970;1433602126;asciilifeform;aha.
1155971;1433602150;mircea_popescu;you know, seeing how they seem to replace defects etc, it would not be the end of the world to blow a few btc on just ordering that half dozen as is
1155972;1433602166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see above re: btc
1155973;1433602167;mircea_popescu;we end up with 6 functioning boards in 3 shipments out of 54 duds, so what.
1155974;1433602184;mircea_popescu;i can arrange for them to get a wire, what's teh big deal.
1155975;1433602189;asciilifeform;btc is 'after-the-war-money' for me
1155976;1433602256;asciilifeform;the big deal is that we're dangerously undercapitalized.
1155977;1433602298;mircea_popescu;we are ?
1155978;1433602300;asciilifeform;aha.
1155979;1433602316;mircea_popescu;i dun see it. how do these people get paid anyway ? paypal ? or what is it ?
1155980;1433602323;asciilifeform;visa.
1155981;1433602335;asciilifeform;iirc - only it.
1155982;1433602351;mircea_popescu;you asked ?
1155983;1433602369;asciilifeform;i asked the www, l0l
1155984;1433602382;mircea_popescu;no, mf.
1155985;1433602388;mircea_popescu;says on their site or something ?
1155986;1433602391;*;asciilifeform puts this on list to ask
1155987;1433602427;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, who wants to do buy me ~1k worth of parts with this outfit ?
1155988;1433602433;mircea_popescu;was complaining about exchanges earlier, williamdunne ? danielpbarron ?
1155989;1433602460;asciilifeform;that's the thing, buying 1000 units from mf is suicidally stupid
1155990;1433602469;mircea_popescu;1k dollars dood, not 1k units.
1155991;1433602474;mircea_popescu;what, they're a dollar a pop ?
1155992;1433602479;asciilifeform;l0l no.
1155993;1433602483;mircea_popescu;well so then.
1155994;1433602500;mircea_popescu;you spec an order of boards meanwhile to be ~1k
1155995;1433602506;asciilifeform;1k dollars doesn't need help, it comes out of my own piggy.
1155996;1433602513;mircea_popescu;....
1155997;1433602518;mircea_popescu;im confused as to the actual problem is then
1155998;1433602533;asciilifeform;the actual problem is that the sapper gets to err two or three times, at best
1155999;1433602550;mircea_popescu;yes yes but the sapper doesn't get to contemplate his fate for too long and remain a sapper.
1156000;1433602553;mircea_popescu;gotta order some boards.
1156001;1433602571;mircea_popescu;nobody forces them to use em if they're broken, but we gotta know.
1156002;1433602617;asciilifeform;think of it as venus mission. the probe is allowed to burn, yes, but needs to transmit some useful data before burns up.
1156003;1433602632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00036015 = 26.7952 BTC [-]
1156004;1433602671;mircea_popescu;an you judge that ordering a few boards to produce a few prototype cardanos is not useful data ?
1156005;1433602716;asciilifeform;it is useful data if i can expect at least one working board in the batch.
1156006;1433602729;mircea_popescu;well inasmuch as they seem to replace duds, i think we can expect.
1156007;1433602747;mircea_popescu;this is a business, not a tech decision. they've not run with a hundred, can be trusted with a k.
1156008;1433602759;mircea_popescu;if they run with it, a well. what's called a write-off.
1156009;1433602767;asciilifeform;currently waiting to see what they will say re: the cause of the five dud rng.
1156010;1433602773;mircea_popescu;aha.
1156011;1433602783;mircea_popescu;just, you know, teh nobles are getting restless.
1156012;1433602796;asciilifeform;after these in fact come back, in working order, we carry on with step 2.
1156013;1433602818;asciilifeform;meanwhile looking at other manufacturing houses aiming to compete with mf.
1156014;1433602825;mircea_popescu;sounds liek a plan
1156015;1433602886;asciilifeform;the restless folks are also invited to visit #b-a (or my personal mailbox, gpg plz.)
1156016;1433602901;asciilifeform;but i believe that i have explained the basics.
1156017;1433602993;mircea_popescu;i believe so.
1156018;1433603272;mircea_popescu;an' in other news... wife trainin' http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md9261g2Uf1rfc12eo1_400.gif
1156019;1433603272;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARLoIP )
1156020;1433603280;shinohai;At risk of sounding stupid, are these rng boards meant to generate keys in an airgapped manner, safe from those who are trying to break/weaken encryption?
1156021;1433603303;mircea_popescu;!s cardano
1156022;1433603304;assbot;514 results for 'cardano' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano
1156023;1433603330;mircea_popescu;shinohai ^ (see the oldest pages). also http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ and ulterior s.nsa reports
1156024;1433603332;assbot;S.NSA first product - The Cardano on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARLsZ5 )
1156025;1433603347;shinohai;ty reading nau
1156026;1433603468;shinohai;I can see the advantages of a from-scratch board tho. I have seen various forms of this with arduinos, et all. But that leaves open the possibility of the hardware you are building on being compromised.
1156027;1433603519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shockingly enough, the muryokoin in muryokoin.org is a... temple in koyasan
1156028;1433603522;mircea_popescu;wut teh fuck.
1156029;1433603555;mircea_popescu;(and the shumitsu aka pearl of honesty was, at the time, the head honzo)
1156030;1433603618;*;asciilifeform brb, food
1156031;1433603769;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155945 << eh come on. we arrange for you to move in with one of the dc area sluts for a coupla months, save on rent :D
1156032;1433603769;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 14:25:34; asciilifeform: if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter
1156033;1433603900;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155952 << it could be made to mill finer but only with addition of particular apparatus. which can just as well be added as a standalone different mill being fed the prequalified choice grains. so let it be, we get to it once the world fails at doing anything useful with its time yet again, in a year or w/e.
1156034;1433603900;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 14:37:49; asciilifeform: as it is, half the time it sees 4294967297 and - naturally - stops there
1156035;1433604053;shinohai;;;later tell WolfeGoethe One day I shall like to make your MacBookPro go to sleep forever. XXXxxx
1156036;1433604053;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156037;1433604083;mircea_popescu;heh
1156038;1433604648;mircea_popescu;!up vekuso
1156039;1433604652;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156029 << probably diddled by request of jp in connection with investigation of 'aum' or the 1,001 other similar weirdo orgs there
1156040;1433604652;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 15:12:35; mircea_popescu: (and the shumitsu aka pearl of honesty was, at the time, the head honzo)
1156041;1433604692;mircea_popescu;it's a retreat for some high level computer prograsmmers.
1156042;1433604706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00035965 = 9.4408 BTC [-] {2} 
1156043;1433604710;mircea_popescu;kinda surprised you dun know it by name, on the grounds that afaik it's the only people doing what you do for a living, outside of russia
1156044;1433604758;asciilifeform;it isn't publicly known, afaik. and, my not being in their wot, how would i possibly know of it until now.
1156045;1433604759;mircea_popescu;by now phuctor's dredged up enough material for a spy novel. "what does muryokoin temple, the australian pirate party and debian/gnu have in common ?"
1156046;1433604767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.0003567 = 10.0411 BTC [-]
1156047;1433604770;asciilifeform;and apple bug tip hotline, lol
1156048;1433604775;shinohai;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.11.0rc1/doc/release-notes.md#privacy-stream-isolation-for-tor
1156049;1433604777;assbot;bitcoin/release-notes.md at v0.11.0rc1 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARP1P2 )
1156050;1433604792;shinohai;sorry, wrong window
1156051;1433604865;asciilifeform;shinohai: since you did link it... here's a mega-question for 'tor' enthusiasts. what's to stop a 'malicious' (diddles traffic) node from routing its circuits -back into tor-, and having some other exit end up looking like the guilty party ?
1156052;1433604881;asciilifeform;(question pertains to exit nodes, naturally)
1156053;1433604898;shinohai;That's exactly what I was discussing with someone.
1156054;1433604906;asciilifeform;it's a rather obvious question
1156055;1433604912;asciilifeform;and i have never seen anyone attempt to answer it.
1156056;1433604923;shinohai;tor is kinda flawed in that respect.
1156057;1433604947;asciilifeform;likewise, it is trivial to construct an exit node which only doctors traffic on very specific and rare occasions
1156058;1433604960;asciilifeform;and when human operator is nearly certain
1156059;1433604969;shinohai;bad operators (read: govs most likely) have every reason to do so
1156060;1433604973;asciilifeform;say, it watches for the 'captcha' that google virtually always throws at tor users
1156061;1433604978;asciilifeform;(coming from known exits)
1156062;1433604987;asciilifeform;and only begins to mitm -after captcha solved-
1156063;1433604999;asciilifeform;no automated inspection bot will notice the malicious exit then.
1156064;1433605011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7165 @ 0.00036274 = 2.599 BTC [+]
1156065;1433605011;shinohai;Because 99% of idiots still have js enabled ?
1156066;1433605018;asciilifeform;1,001 variations on this theme possible.
1156067;1433605045;asciilifeform;the very notion that there is any 'detection of malicious exits' worth half a sparrow's fart in the wind, or could be, is lunacy
1156068;1433605088;asciilifeform;ok this is pure gold:
1156069;1433605138;asciilifeform;'Because release 0.10.0 and later makes use of headers-first synchronization and parallel block download (see further), the block files and databases are not backwards-compatible with pre-0.10 versions of Bitcoin Core or other software. Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs... The block index database will now hold head
1156070;1433605138;asciilifeform;ers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won't support.'
1156071;1433605144;asciilifeform;mega-l0l!
1156072;1433605156;shinohai;Of course they arent!
1156073;1433605206;mircea_popescu;eh, this'd be a lot harder hitting if you know... people didn't use retarded shit like whatever that thing was bothering copypaste
1156074;1433605218;mircea_popescu;"install our buggy windows software, become part of a botnet"
1156075;1433605263;shinohai;What's Windows?
1156076;1433605289;copypaste;The Register, BBC and some other places wrote about that
1156077;1433605302;copypaste;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32958624
1156078;1433605303;assbot;Hola rocked by botnet accusations - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARQGnD )
1156079;1433605315;copypaste;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/29/hola_vpn_used_8chan_takedown_botnet_or_not/
1156080;1433605316;assbot;'Free' VPN Hola is LITERALLY flogging access to users' devices • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARQHbg )
1156081;1433605318;copypaste;yee
1156082;1433605330;shinohai;I was lmfao that this 15 yo kid hacked that up good.
1156083;1433605337;copypaste;oh yeah
1156084;1433605345;mircea_popescu;copypaste not bad.
1156085;1433605371;mircea_popescu;just sayin, people imagining pointing out to idiot tor users how insecure that shit is would persuade anyone ? shit, hola got 8 million users with 8 million exploitable holes in it.
1156086;1433605604;shinohai;Thoughts on i2p here?
1156087;1433605630;copypaste;Hard to use and hogs RAM. Requires a significant investment of bandwidth as well
1156088;1433605660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entirely different animals. there are folks using tor exits who -really- ought to know better.
1156089;1433605670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 8chan users are collectively worth what ?
1156090;1433605700;copypaste;like in BTC value?
1156091;1433605727;copypaste;most are young people or in college, so probably not much per capita
1156092;1433605754;shinohai;It's a lot of java, if that alone isn't enough for me to have never really study it.
1156093;1433605781;copypaste;yeah. All Java applications hog RAM simply due to overhead of the JVM
1156094;1433606217;shinohai;@ mircea_popescu : did you read the compliments from your adoring fans on r/bitcoin this morning ?
1156095;1433606414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192250 @ 0.00036056 = 69.3177 BTC [-] {6} 
1156096;1433606510;shinohai;lol blockchain.info (0 connections)
1156097;1433606628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on the internet, dogs.
1156098;1433606665;mircea_popescu;for instance, im not on tor, have occasionally derped on imageboards. same of you i would guess.
1156099;1433606726;shinohai;I hav lurked around tor but their is little excitement there for me. Mostly space cadets and libertarians of the worst kind.
1156100;1433607451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00036261 = 8.9021 BTC [+]
1156101;1433608090;*;asciilifeform finally grasped the point of the 'bolt mod' for 'ibm model m' keyboard. was cleaning one that has not been cleaned in a decade. keys, chassis - easy, tub of dish detergent, three days. mechanism - washed in nonpolar organics. and that's when a dozen plastic rivets fell right off.
1156102;1433608122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68850 @ 0.00036061 = 24.828 BTC [-]
1156103;1433608172;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156091 << i probably should have been more specific. meant, what -their data- was worth.
1156104;1433608172;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 15:48:47; copypaste: most are young people or in college, so probably not much per capita
1156105;1433608193;asciilifeform;i don't give a fuck how many gold rings tor users are wearing.
1156106;1433608207;mircea_popescu;lol gold rings
1156107;1433608225;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156099 << what in the name of satan is a 'space cadet' ?
1156108;1433608225;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 16:05:26; shinohai: I hav lurked around tor but their is little excitement there for me. Mostly space cadets and libertarians of the worst kind.
1156109;1433608297;shinohai;@ asciilifeform space cadet: those that sit around in dnm's and put god knows what into their system.
1156110;1433608306;asciilifeform;dnm ?
1156111;1433608318;shinohai;dark net market
1156112;1433608434;asciilifeform;and wai wat, wtf, how does one 'lurk around tor'
1156113;1433608465;shinohai;Well, if one wants to be informed, you check it out for yourself right?
1156114;1433608471;asciilifeform;tor is this thing where tcp is bounced via three machines, selected by shitgnomiferous mega-turd of a client, over ssl (ditto)
1156115;1433608500;*;mircea_popescu gets his popped corns.
1156116;1433608537;asciilifeform;or was shinohai speaking of some forum devoted to the subject
1156117;1433608540;asciilifeform;rather than tor per se
1156118;1433608543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform plastic rivets are possibly the one stupid thing mostly saying "80s" to me.
1156119;1433608553;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as if anyone cancelled plastic rivets!
1156120;1433608555;asciilifeform;sadly
1156121;1433608559;mircea_popescu;wtf who ever thought "o look, this zamac is too strong! we need a shittier replacement!"
1156122;1433608588;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my understanding is that this was done to avoid the work of tensioning the bolts correctly
1156123;1433608615;asciilifeform;the membrane (yes, there is a membrane deep inside 'model m') must be pressed to the steel 'anvil' evenly in all places, as far as is possible
1156124;1433608630;asciilifeform;with bolts, somebody's gotta sit there with a dynamometer wrench and do the deed
1156125;1433608652;asciilifeform;with plastic rivets, they had, presumably, a vacuum plate (think 'air hockey' table in reverse) and a hot iron.
1156126;1433608727;asciilifeform;shinohai: pray tell, what is a 'libertarian of the wost kind' ?
1156127;1433608729;asciilifeform;*worst
1156128;1433608767;shinohai;@ asciilifeform the kind that parrot everything they hear on reddit
1156129;1433608779;shinohai;and make everyone look bad
1156130;1433608793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00036025 = 26.2622 BTC [-] {2} 
1156131;1433608873;shinohai;Those that tightened the tinfoil hats on too tightly, and it has forever left an indelible mark upon their brains.
1156132;1433608888;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/dfdb6dd052416da726db6c2e5f76e875cf08c507 << so they're still using openssl.
1156133;1433608889;assbot;build: disable optional use of gmp in internal secp256k1 build · bitcoin/bitcoin@dfdb6dd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcgJqD )
1156134;1433608904;asciilifeform;shinohai: elaborate?
1156135;1433608933;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/75a4d512cfc9a451fa627a3487ffed102cc67cab << so the 'lock time' idiocy made it in?
1156136;1433608934;assbot;Fix off-by-one error w/ nLockTime in the wallet · bitcoin/bitcoin@75a4d51 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcgR9x )
1156137;1433608947;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920116 << see also
1156138;1433608947;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
1156139;1433608960;shinohai;There was this one guy who never shut up about "'murica is spraying chemicals on us every day"
1156140;1433608961;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920112
1156141;1433608961;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
1156142;1433609005;shinohai;I just don't get the appeal I guess.
1156143;1433609017;asciilifeform;the appeal of what ?
1156144;1433609052;shinohai;tor. sitting around on internet forums doing buying drugs with btc and hating on the government.
1156145;1433609092;*;asciilifeform associates tor mainly with spammers
1156146;1433609098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89350 @ 0.00036061 = 32.2205 BTC [+]
1156147;1433609253;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://templelodging.com/spot/05kansai/koyasan014.html
1156148;1433609254;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HchDDE )
1156149;1433609281;shinohai;Hmmm .... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6231
1156150;1433609283;assbot;Increase DEFAULT_BLOCK_MAX_SIZE to 1MB by chriswheeler · Pull Request #6231 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HchGze )
1156151;1433609287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it's a s33kr17 k00l d00dz hidey-hole, this is a well-kept s33kr17
1156152;1433609330;shinohai;He know's 1337. We can trust him.
1156153;1433609358;asciilifeform;long term question for mircea_popescu et. al: who is still manufacturing mc68000 ? -other- than freescale corp. ?
1156154;1433609401;asciilifeform;(zilog is still making z80, nominally pin-compatible with the 1976 variant, yes.)
1156155;1433609403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00036175 = 4.0516 BTC [+] {2} 
1156156;1433609473;asciilifeform;i, for one, have not located any maker of true mc68k other than freescale today. (the eeprom-on-board variants are not 'true' for the purpose of this query.)
1156157;1433609490;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo ^^^^
1156158;1433609491;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156159;1433609647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00036261 = 15.2115 BTC [+]
1156160;1433610623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39679 @ 0.00036897 = 14.6404 BTC [+]
1156161;1433610704;*;asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell
1156162;1433610928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64842 @ 0.00036887 = 23.9183 BTC [-]
1156163;1433611112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00036897 = 17.9688 BTC [+]
1156164;1433612114;williamdunne;was complaining about exchanges earlier, williamdunne ? danielpbarron ? <<< hey?
1156165;1433612331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102850 @ 0.00036947 = 38 BTC [+] {2} 
1156166;1433612545;williamdunne;I probably should be complaining about one particular exchange, but I'll give them a little more time to fix it, and if they don't I'll be calling them out on their bullshit
1156167;1433612582;danielpbarron;I'm interested in the 1k thing
1156168;1433612714;williamdunne;1k thing?
1156169;1433612734;danielpbarron;the thign you pasted is re: buying 1k USD worth of bitcoin
1156170;1433612777;shinohai;So I found this http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-howto.txt on your site danielpbarron, and I just so happen to have a few spare drives already.
1156171;1433612778;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnWB2c )
1156172;1433612819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24783 @ 0.00036979 = 9.1645 BTC [+] {2} 
1156173;1433612820;williamdunne;Oh right, mircea_popescu if you need to buy/sell 1k of bitcoin I can probably get that done for you
1156174;1433612831;williamdunne;Dependent on how you need to receive the money/what you need to order etc
1156175;1433613368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78300 @ 0.00036555 = 28.6226 BTC [-] {3} 
1156176;1433613673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48130 @ 0.00036997 = 17.8067 BTC [+] {2} 
1156177;1433614411;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron williamdunne it'd be for cardano parts, but on alf's say so. thanks!
1156178;1433614523;mircea_popescu;!up Chicago
1156179;1433614525;mircea_popescu;!up kalki
1156180;1433614570;kalki;gracias.
1156181;1433614601;mircea_popescu;sure.
1156182;1433614608;mircea_popescu;who're you ?
1156183;1433614738;kalki;Just a person been looking at btc since late 2013... eventually discovered Trilema, contravex, and qntra, which led me here... now just trying to learn to swim in the deeper water
1156184;1433614944;mircea_popescu;how's that coming along ?
1156185;1433615036;mircea_popescu;http://bash.org/?203247 heh
1156186;1433615037;assbot;QDB: Quote #203247 ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUvqDx )
1156187;1433615042;mircea_popescu;!up Guest84681______
1156188;1433615273;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156135 << that's always been there, but it's not enough for their micropayment-channels and other hare-brained schemes. so they want to add more.
1156189;1433615273;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 16:42:13; asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/75a4d512cfc9a451fa627a3487ffed102cc67cab << so the 'lock time' idiocy made it in?
1156190;1433615345;kalki;well It's going - its a bit tough, but that is welcome considering that before I was limited to the level of discussion that happens on twitter or various "btc news" sites... I love the word, and REALLY appreciate the use of it I find in these circles... love the challenge - just hope I get a grip and feel confident enough as far as understanding the depths/possibilities/threats etc of what is happeningbefore the rocket leaves
1156191;1433615381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00035833 = 9.0478 BTC [-]
1156192;1433615410;mircea_popescu;shush you libertarian. if you made it it doesn't belong to you, it belongs TO EVERYONE!11!!1 - and what that means is... yeah you've guessed it.
1156193;1433615439;thestringpuller;^- someone's in a good mood today
1156194;1433615443;mircea_popescu;!gettrust kalki
1156195;1433615443;assbot;kalki is not registered in WoT.
1156196;1433615452;mircea_popescu;kalki you should prolly register.
1156197;1433615575;kalki;mircea_pepescu Yes I need to. Will do soon!
1156198;1433615672;decimation;asciilifeform: I have a model m on order, should arrive soon
1156199;1433615685;decimation;do you think it is worth the time to 'preemptively' install bolt mod?
1156200;1433615869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00037008 = 18.9851 BTC [+] {2} 
1156201;1433616443;davout;punkman: there's two sides to the nlocktime thing
1156202;1433616459;davout;the one that's always been there and the 'improved' version
1156203;1433616496;punkman;the "improved" is not yet in, is it?
1156204;1433616513;mircea_popescu;iirc it made it in with 0.10
1156205;1433616529;mircea_popescu;which was going to be "major version" but then some sense got slapped into the derp rangers.
1156206;1433616691;decimation;!up diana_coman
1156207;1433616699;decimation;!up asciilifeform
1156208;1433616708;decimation;!up ascii_modem
1156209;1433616717;ascii_modem;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC
1156210;1433616720;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FFxrta )
1156211;1433616724;decimation;!up PFate
1156212;1433616781;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156192 << mega-kolhoz l0l
1156213;1433616781;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 18:30:10; mircea_popescu: shush you libertarian. if you made it it doesn't belong to you, it belongs TO EVERYONE!11!!1 - and what that means is... yeah you've guessed it.
1156214;1433616798;decimation;herr stoppler is a 'pirate party' member
1156215;1433616811;decimation;http://stoppe-gp.de/
1156216;1433616812;assbot;Martin M. Stoppler ... ( http://bit.ly/1FFxANf )
1156217;1433616818;mircea_popescu;ascii_modem it's stunning to me this. the cattle seriously wish to behave as if in fact the kolhoz is the reality and what, we've missed the memo or something ?
1156218;1433616819;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1156219;1433616846;ascii_modem;it is the only reality they cab conceive of
1156220;1433616856;mircea_popescu;bitcoin belongs to everyone like my sperm belongs to every woman : if she's on her knees and i feel like it.
1156221;1433616874;ascii_modem;logically - because in other realities, they are biodiesel.
1156222;1433616892;ascii_modem;'anthropic principle' of a kind
1156223;1433616943;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m)
1156224;1433616943;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 18:34:45; decimation: do you think it is worth the time to 'preemptively' install bolt mod?
1156225;1433616963;decimation;ascii_modem: there's no equality like everyone swimming in the same fermenter
1156226;1433616968;ascii_modem;there are no reasonable substitutes...
1156227;1433616983;decimation;ascii_modem: yeah the mod looks pretty time consuming
1156228;1433616986;ascii_modem;when they run out - that's all.
1156229;1433617001;decimation;none of the guides I saw mention using a torque driver
1156230;1433617035;ascii_modem;hands are an approximate torque wrench
1156231;1433617047;ascii_modem;if they're any good
1156232;1433617053;ascii_modem;bbl
1156233;1433617089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00035852 = 3.6211 BTC [-]
1156234;1433617272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00035852 = 3.6569 BTC [-]
1156235;1433617433;danielpbarron;!up elgrecoFL
1156236;1433617956;mircea_popescu;.
1156237;1433617990;decimation;!up HostFat
1156238;1433618004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31238 @ 0.00035852 = 11.1994 BTC [-]
1156239;1433618248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152520 @ 0.00035626 = 54.3368 BTC [-] {4} 
1156240;1433618431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13023 @ 0.0003533 = 4.601 BTC [-]
1156241;1433618652;mircea_popescu;today i learned there's a .tn
1156242;1433618869;mircea_popescu;"Like many (too many) other features in Wikipedia, the cite templates were created by a handful of enthusiastic editors without a clear analysis of cost/benefits, and posted by them as if they were a "consensus" --- which they most emphatically are *not*. Then many other editors started using them in the mistaken impression that they are somehow good for Wikipedia --- which they most emphatically are *not*. I used to d
1156243;1433618870;mircea_popescu;o that myself until I realized the sheer idiocy of those templates, and what the word "consensus" actually means in the Wikipedia guidelines."
1156244;1433618879;mircea_popescu;funny how pervasive this anti-pattern actually is.
1156245;1433618902;mircea_popescu;funny how the memory hole effect works - people capable of spotting it in a field where they're remotely trained still fall for it in ALL.OTHER.FIELDS.
1156246;1433619469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35038 @ 0.00036571 = 12.8137 BTC [+] {2} 
1156247;1433619529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00036252 = 13.232 BTC [-] {2} 
1156248;1433619651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00037058 = 11.3768 BTC [+]
1156249;1433620383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101444 @ 0.00036383 = 36.9084 BTC [-] {2} 
1156250;1433620688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61179 @ 0.00037068 = 22.6778 BTC [+] {2} 
1156251;1433620871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00035423 = 17.5344 BTC [-] {2} 
1156252;1433620918;jurov;!rate Birdman 1 help with eulora on win32
1156253;1433620918;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/de552facbec313eb
1156254;1433620957;jurov;!v assbot:jurov.rate.Birdman.1:2578d6eb28c39a9dc8019704a0791f65f509d16dedc4869f46b9b3fd5689836f
1156255;1433620957;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Birdman with note: help with eulora on win32
1156256;1433620993;jurov;http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows << to anyone interested: he got it running using these steps
1156257;1433620994;assbot;Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1cE14DE )
1156258;1433621068;mircea_popescu;!gettrust birdman
1156259;1433621071;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user birdman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=birdman | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/birdman/
1156260;1433621603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00036096 = 11.4244 BTC [+]
1156261;1433621969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100150 @ 0.00037082 = 37.1376 BTC [+] {3} 
1156262;1433622003;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc5mm1rWzl1re0c2uo1_500.gif
1156263;1433622004;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cE1LNh )
1156264;1433622017;mircea_popescu;!rate Birdman 1 Eulorian
1156265;1433622017;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5d4f1c111acd7bc8
1156266;1433622041;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Birdman.1:976f7718f13a10006b4dbcb51863678430ef492efc4cfa5f8edd81f76162d7e8
1156267;1433622042;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Birdman with note: Eulorian
1156268;1433622884;mircea_popescu;jurov "no comment no trackback" << except i left you one, and it looks kinda weird.
1156269;1433622908;jurov;everything is moderated
1156270;1433623494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67814 @ 0.00035346 = 23.9695 BTC [-] {4} 
1156271;1433623549;mircea_popescu;a k
1156272;1433623807;jurov;it uploads 20kB/s O.o
1156273;1433623958;jurov;now it's picking up
1156274;1433624128;jurov;mircea_popescu: all is uploaded, Eulora-June12015-win32.7z and cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe should be replaced with download links
1156275;1433625087;jurov;what did you do comment (i could not find it) or trackback?
1156276;1433625568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57339 @ 0.00035106 = 20.1294 BTC [-]
1156277;1433625812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26257 @ 0.00037137 = 9.7511 BTC [+]
1156278;1433626024;*;trinque lights his lantern, descends the stairs to the deedbot- chamber
1156279;1433626313;*;shinohai follows trinque, imagining himself much like William of Baskerville in *The Name of the Rose*
1156280;1433626954;shinohai;added to pr0nbot: https://i.imgur.com/g94RGlL.jpg
1156281;1433626956;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTumhJ )
1156282;1433627013;*;trinque hands the lantern to shinohai, makes his first incision in deedbot-
1156283;1433627029;trinque;fixing this text encoding derpitude
1156284;1433627136;shinohai;I'm just now getting comfy w/assbot. I was assured that assbot accepts all forms of ass. (x3!)
1156285;1433627222;trinque;has it been stress tested with a wide sampling of asses?
1156286;1433627318;shinohai;no. I am attempting to build a worthy bot. I was inspired by danielpbarron's node project - to use this minaturized wizardry to construct a dedicated pr0n node....
1156287;1433627349;decimation;asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/yEwTt < internals of that termtek 635 serial terminal
1156288;1433627350;assbot;                    tk635 inside - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASEH9y )
1156289;1433627384;decimation;it has an 80188, no fans, apparently EPROM
1156290;1433627401;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/WHYfqVF.jpg  <TEST ASS>
1156291;1433627402;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASEQK1 )
1156292;1433627435;trinque;helicopter covered in sensors of some kind just flew over
1156293;1433627437;trinque;god bless america
1156294;1433627459;shinohai;I feel so safe and free.
1156295;1433627475;trinque;had some kind of (radar? rf sniffing?) proboscis
1156296;1433627487;decimation;the only thing weird about the terminal is the resolution of the display, only certain monitors seem to be able to sync properly
1156297;1433627514;decimation;trinque: if it was just a tube sticking out in front it is probably for mid-air refueling (assuming it is military)
1156298;1433627526;trinque;did appear to be military
1156299;1433627549;shinohai;We would never do anything bad or malicious with our JavaScript, and if you ever run into any problems then feel free to <contact>   <<< has anyone ever tested this?
1156300;1433627560;trinque;the guy had equipment of some kind underneath the body of the copter, and something under the nose
1156301;1433627565;trinque;should've taken a pic
1156302;1433627609;decimation;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M4ljh-vliQ < bigass heli refueling (turn off audio!)
1156303;1433627610;assbot;Legacy KC-130 refuels CH-53 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTvXnL )
1156304;1433627632;trinque;nah I've seen that
1156305;1433627635;trinque;pretty cool
1156306;1433627646;trinque;this was some wide panel under the nose, rounded
1156307;1433627674;shinohai;I live near a small airport, so I am used to hearing planes.
1156308;1433627689;decimation;ah.  was it a bell jet ranger? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_206#/media/File:LAPD_Bell_206_Jetranger.jpg
1156309;1433627690;assbot;Bell 206 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTw8zf )
1156310;1433627728;decimation;many of the media helicopters from local tv stations have external cameras now
1156311;1433627741;trinque;nah, this was painted all a muted gray, different shape, bulkier
1156312;1433627746;trinque;grayish brown
1156313;1433627755;trinque;media tend to have more prominent markings
1156314;1433627773;decimation;like a eurocopter dolphin https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/USCG_MH-65C_Helicopter_6608_photo_D_Ramey_Logan.jpg
1156315;1433627774;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASFPtE )
1156316;1433627797;decimation;^ note it has "inboard" tail rotor
1156317;1433627808;trinque;there ya go
1156318;1433627812;trinque;pretty much that guy
1156319;1433627822;trinque;bulkier equipment under the nose
1156320;1433627827;trinque;and brown-gray
1156321;1433627845;decimation;interesting.  what part of the country are you in?
1156322;1433627878;trinque;portland, or
1156323;1433627940;decimation;well whoever it was they had alot of cash to burn
1156324;1433628130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00036691 = 22.8218 BTC [-]
1156325;1433628237;decimation;trinque: apparently cbp flies something somewhat similar https://www.flickr.com/photos/mdl_photography/4716744732/
1156326;1433628246;assbot;U.S. Customs & Border Protection Eurocopter AS350 B2 Astar… | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTxzO8 )
1156327;1433628275;trinque;interesting
1156328;1433628328;trinque;there's a state air national guard base nearby
1156329;1433628537;trinque;^ back shortly
1156330;1433628622;mod6;Update on gentoo build on physical box: so trinque & I worked on trying to get this Grub situtation figured out for quite a while lastnight.  Seems that maybe something with grub2 doesn't like my hardware.  Grub 0.9x is no longer supported... so I dunno.
1156331;1433628633;cazalla;jurov, i think it's working! (eulora runs on win7)
1156332;1433628641;mod6;I'm gonna try a few other things, might need to get this figured out on another machine.  We'll see.
1156333;1433628654;mod6;Will update again as I have them.
1156334;1433628669;mod6;Thanks to trinque for the help.
1156335;1433628673;trinque;np
1156336;1433628710;shinohai;@ mod6 anything interesting on the bitcoind side of things?
1156337;1433628875;mod6;Not of this moment, ... there was a completion of a full sync completed with asciilifeform's OrphanageThermonuke & TX Orphanage Amputation patches applied to v0.5.3.1-RELEASE.  Nmon charts can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/
1156338;1433628879;assbot;Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTyYnO )
1156339;1433628896;mod6;I'm gonna work on trying to get IgProf going here now.
1156340;1433628923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00037088 = 9.3595 BTC [+] {2} 
1156341;1433628984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71393 @ 0.0003718 = 26.5439 BTC [+] {3} 
1156342;1433629006;shinohai;My sync is complete. My next project is a few mini nodes.
1156343;1433629039;shinohai;It runs beautiful. It speaks to my minimalist heart.
1156344;1433629049;mod6;ah cool :]
1156345;1433629065;mod6;you're gonna get a pogo going?  i still need to get a chance to get mine fired up.
1156346;1433629076;mod6;too many different things I gotta get done first.
1156347;1433629078;mod6;heheh.
1156348;1433629092;shinohai;Yeah, I'm gonna try the pogo, I got it running *sorta* in sl4a
1156349;1433629116;trinque;I need to re-image my pogo
1156350;1433629123;trinque;I forget what IP it comes up as :p
1156351;1433629141;trinque;rather, which it expects the netcat it connects to at
1156352;1433629143;mod6;sl4a 'eh
1156353;1433629168;shinohai;yeah go ahead an insult me xD
1156354;1433629202;mod6;naw, i think it's interesting. let us know how that ends up.
1156355;1433629235;trinque;>minimalist
1156356;1433629237;trinque;>android
1156357;1433629240;*;trinque slaps shinohai with a trout
1156358;1433629281;*;shinohai *shrugs*
1156359;1433629289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.000372 = 19.437 BTC [+]
1156360;1433629331;*;trinque chants awaken
1156361;1433629333;trinque;there he is
1156362;1433629380;shinohai;Maybe one day I'll be so hardcore I can run it on a TI
1156363;1433629390;trinque;just giving you shit
1156364;1433629402;trinque;you could give the buildroot instructions a whirl for the pogo
1156365;1433629430;shinohai;I had never even heard of a pogo before.
1156366;1433629433;shinohai;tbh
1156367;1433629524;decimation;asciilifeform: the construction of the terminal is nice, 19 gauge steel
1156368;1433629545;trinque;decimation: what'd that run ya?
1156369;1433629567;decimation;it was like $60 shipped on ebay
1156370;1433629582;decimation;probably could get it cheaper if you could dumpster dive in the right spots
1156371;1433629588;decimation;it appears to be from a point of sale terminal
1156372;1433629602;trinque;cool
1156373;1433629627;nubbins`;got an information-finding task if anyone's up for it
1156374;1433629630;trinque;I might be crazy, but I *think* my dream mobile device is nothing but a terminal emulator that can ssh elsewhere
1156375;1433629695;ben_vulpes;1500 lines!
1156376;1433629808;nubbins`;inkjet printers have waste ink counters that are incremented when you do a head cleaning
1156377;1433629829;nubbins`;once the counter gets high enough, you can't print anymore until you reset the counter
1156378;1433629838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.000372 = 14.2104 BTC [+]
1156379;1433629864;shinohai;and?
1156380;1433629866;nubbins`;for newer printers, you generally get a free "wic reset" program and then purchase keys (~$7ea in quantity) that are good for single resets
1156381;1433629895;nubbins`;but i think this is bullshit and i don't want to pay some company $7 every time i want to reset a counter
1156382;1433629897;shinohai;oh so you need a wic reset program ?
1156383;1433629901;nubbins`;no, i have one
1156384;1433629909;nubbins`;well.
1156385;1433629914;shinohai;nice
1156386;1433629920;nubbins`;i need one that doesn't require the purchase of keys ;/
1156387;1433629935;*;trinque processes the wtf he just heard
1156388;1433629965;nubbins`;epson has a wic reset utility but it doesn't cover newer printers
1156389;1433630021;*;shinohai doesn't even own a printer.
1156390;1433630112;trinque;seems like we're at the point that you could pick anything to manufacture in the tech sector, and provided you *actually produce the thing named on the box* you'd be the greatest product in that space
1156391;1433630122;trinque;what a sad fucking state
1156392;1433630159;trinque;nubbins`: so this thing is just some arbitrary amount of bytes in flash somewhere that must be reset periodically?
1156393;1433630240;shinohai;I made the phastest btc miner EVAH! https://i.imgur.com/chaUJhn.png
1156394;1433630241;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTBJFX )
1156395;1433630307;mod6;HEH
1156396;1433630387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.000372 = 7.7748 BTC [+]
1156397;1433630416;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti << my life
1156398;1433630564;trinque;mircea_popescu: #4 will deedify at the hour
1156399;1433630585;trinque;I sent it through to reproduce the exception (after re-uploading it to dpaste) and... it worked
1156400;1433630633;trinque;actually strike that, lemme find the original link and I'll see if I can break it again
1156401;1433630936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28653 @ 0.00037202 = 10.6595 BTC [+] {2} 
1156402;1433630953;trinque;mircea_popescu: ah so mpex.ws does not say Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
1156403;1433630955;trinque;in its response
1156404;1433630959;trinque;just text/plain
1156405;1433630979;shinohai;;;bcstats
1156406;1433630983;gribble;Current Blocks: 359753 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1110 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48688761596.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.30969
1156407;1433630995;trinque;I can probably obviate worrying about that by just trying to decode everything as utf-8
1156408;1433630997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68900 @ 0.00037226 = 25.6487 BTC [+] {2} 
1156409;1433631034;shinohai;welp blockchain.info is back up
1156410;1433631057;nubbins`;<+trinque> nubbins`: so this thing is just some arbitrary amount of bytes in flash somewhere that must be reset periodically? <<< the waste ink sponge eventually will overflow... unless you add an external waste ink tank.
1156411;1433631064;trinque;ah got ya
1156412;1433631078;nubbins`;but mine was at 85%-ish when it stopped printing
1156413;1433631086;trinque;but of course! heh
1156414;1433631098;nubbins`;most consumer-level printers never get close to filling their sponge
1156415;1433631104;trinque;by not giving you an override, they're just saving you from yourself
1156416;1433631114;nubbins`;they either clog up or get broken or sold/trashed before things get to that point
1156417;1433631142;nubbins`;but if you print enormous amounts of heavy-coverage paper
1156418;1433631152;nubbins`;things can get outta hand
1156419;1433631202;nubbins`;oh ALSO
1156420;1433631213;nubbins`;totally would be interested in a service manual for this thing (epson 1430)
1156421;1433631221;nubbins`;if anyone happens to know where to find such things
1156422;1433631375;mod6;ok igprof is built... now to just run it with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE...
1156423;1433631546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00037241 = 5.6606 BTC [+]
1156424;1433631547;scoopbot_revived;Protected: Bitcoin Exchanges breaking agreements; BitFinex edition! http://thethug.life/lessons-are-for-schmucks/
1156425;1433631739;mod6;ok asciilifeform's igprof_hooks patch applied to v0.5.3.1-RELEASE
1156426;1433631778;mod6;building...
1156427;1433631874;mod6;[ I'm running igprof with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE first as we know with this version the OOM-KILL signal is recieved.  Maybe we can get a deeper glimpse to what's going on here. ]
1156428;1433631905;mod6;After a profile with vanilla v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, I'll further profile with the two Orphanage Patches.
1156429;1433631921;mod6;Unless anyone objects in the next 30 minutes or so.
1156430;1433632053;mod6;as as separate note, I will not be running NMON with this full-sync test -- I want to get as clean of a igprof profile as I can.  Don't want any thing else to disturb it's collection.
1156431;1433632212;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38nmxn/nyse_chairman_millennials_trust_bitcoin_more_than/crxbic1
1156432;1433632213;assbot;prisonsuit-rabbitman comments on NYSE Chairman: Millennials Trust Bitcoin More Than Fiat ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvp8az )
1156433;1433632297;shinohai;so i can draw ponies and get paid btc for ppl to fap to?
1156434;1433632512;trinque;deedbot-: http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt
1156435;1433632513;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvpFt0 )
1156436;1433632514;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1156437;1433632519;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^
1156438;1433632766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18219 @ 0.00037241 = 6.7849 BTC [+]
1156439;1433633095;mod6;alright, bitcoind build cleanly with the igprof_hooks patch applied.
1156440;1433633104;mod6;now to try to fire this thing up.
1156441;1433633223;*;shinohai crosses fingers
1156442;1433633292;ben_vulpes;right on, mod6
1156443;1433633555;mod6;ok it's running.
1156444;1433633810;mod6;This is all I see so far: http://dpaste.com/1N346W0.txt
1156445;1433633812;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvrPcc )
1156446;1433633823;mod6;asciilifeform: check this out, does this look ok so far? ^^
1156447;1433633858;mod6;it was executed like so: `nohup $INSTAREA/bin/igprof -d -mp -z -o igprof.mp.gz ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -daemon -profileheap >& igtest.mp.log &`
1156448;1433633925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107200 @ 0.00036399 = 39.0197 BTC [-] {3} 
1156449;1433634108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00036618 = 5.8223 BTC [+]
1156450;1433634169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33493 @ 0.000359 = 12.024 BTC [-] {2} 
1156451;1433634596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86506 @ 0.00036604 = 31.6647 BTC [+] {2} 
1156452;1433635267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135800 @ 0.00036917 = 50.1333 BTC [+] {4} 
1156453;1433635416;ben_vulpes;<shinohai> added to pr0nbot: https://i.imgur.com/g94RGlL.jpg << hardly porn
1156454;1433635417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTumhJ )
1156455;1433635442;*;williamdunne personally enjoys the teasy photos
1156456;1433636243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81057 @ 0.00036702 = 29.7495 BTC [-]
1156457;1433636304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00035839 = 3.333 BTC [-]
1156458;1433636365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198474 @ 0.00035777 = 71.008 BTC [-] {4} 
1156459;1433636426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286576 @ 0.00035199 = 100.8719 BTC [-] {4} 
1156460;1433637158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46679 @ 0.00036702 = 17.1321 BTC [+]
1156461;1433637752;mircea_popescu;better pronz http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8f9s1WVGr1qj9dtwo1_1280.jpg
1156462;1433637756;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs29fP )
1156463;1433637762;mircea_popescu;trinque cool!
1156464;1433637783;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://mpex.co/assets/s.bbet-1F2489E8.txt
1156465;1433637784;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs2fUR )
1156466;1433637788;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1156467;1433637862;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156275 << comment yes.
1156468;1433637862;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 21:11:27; jurov: what did you do comment (i could not find it) or trackback?
1156469;1433638054;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156346 << lol tell me about it.
1156470;1433638054;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 22:17:56; mod6: too many different things I gotta get done first.
1156471;1433638088;cazalla;williamdunne, leaves a bit to the imagination eh
1156472;1433638114;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156390 << quite.
1156473;1433638114;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 22:35:12; trinque: seems like we're at the point that you could pick anything to manufacture in the tech sector, and provided you *actually produce the thing named on the box* you'd be the greatest product in that space
1156474;1433638134;mircea_popescu;that is exactly the point we're at - the collapse of "civilisation" won't even actually leave any sort of a hole.
1156475;1433638136;decimation; that, and "it actually works"
1156476;1433638152;decimation;the hole is constantly filled with chinese junk
1156477;1433638160;mircea_popescu;which is how these things happen. it's not that the various people in the empire "left" the empire for the barbarians.
1156478;1433638161;williamdunne;cazalla: Thats the one
1156479;1433638172;mircea_popescu;it's that for anything but the verbiage - they didn't even know they were in an empire.
1156480;1433638204;decimation;mircea_popescu: somewhere along the line people forgot how to make hydraulic concrete
1156481;1433638262;mircea_popescu;...
1156482;1433638265;mircea_popescu;you just add fly ash ?
1156483;1433638311;decimation;nobody built concrete aquaducts again until long after rome fell into the hole
1156484;1433638386;mircea_popescu;oh oh. i see whast you meant now :p
1156485;1433638389;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156407 << word.
1156486;1433638389;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 22:49:55; trinque: I can probably obviate worrying about that by just trying to decode everything as utf-8
1156487;1433638450;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156424 << lulzwut!
1156488;1433638450;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 22:59:07; scoopbot_revived: Protected: Bitcoin Exchanges breaking agreements; BitFinex edition! http://thethug.life/lessons-are-for-schmucks/
1156489;1433638461;mircea_popescu;williamdunne did scoop just rape your securitits ?
1156490;1433638474;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: It did indeed
1156491;1433638496;williamdunne;I shall punish my slave for its disobedience
1156492;1433638587;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdf1wz7eBc1rq6vz1o1_500.gif << slave punished for her disrobedience.
1156493;1433638588;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1WyFO )
1156494;1433639175;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Scoop isn't that attractive
1156495;1433639415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00036361 = 14.3626 BTC [-] {2} 
1156496;1433641114;mircea_popescu;!up Phrenico
1156497;1433641145;Phrenico;Hey, thanks.
1156498;1433643341;trinque;http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/18/traumatized-students-sue-california-district-for-support.html << lol, they're trying to get "emotional trauma" ruled a disability legally under the ADA, which apparently means you don't have to pass high school, and are due lots of expensive pills and therapy sessions to reinforce your narcissism
1156499;1433643342;assbot;Traumatized Students Sue CA. District For Support | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2VMfM )
1156500;1433643360;trinque;go ahead kids! drain the thing!
1156501;1433643652;williamdunne;On that note, did you hear about the school that gave out laptops that students could take home, which automatically too photos every 15 minutes?
1156502;1433643794;trinque;hahaha, no
1156503;1433643817;trinque;doesn't surprise me one bit
1156504;1433643906;trinque;http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/02/school-district-accused-of-issuing-webcam-laptops-to-spy-on-students/1#.VXOrZ60Viko
1156505;1433643910;assbot;School district accused of spying on kids via laptop webcams ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2WLwv )
1156506;1433643924;trinque;"in fact has the ability to remotely activate the webcam contained in a student's personal laptop computer issued by the school district at any time it chose and to view and capture whatever images were in front of the webcam, all without the knowledge, permission or authorization of any persons then and there using the laptop computer."
1156507;1433644002;trinque;you have to put that totalitarian fear in kids young
1156508;1433644836;williamdunne;Yes, well doing our job for us I guess
1156509;1433644839;williamdunne;Fuck debit cards
1156510;1433644840;williamdunne;Seriously
1156511;1433644852;williamdunne;Keeps getting rejected even though I'm going through the VBV crap
1156512;1433644880;williamdunne;I know, yes, it does look odd that I'm booking a flight from Prague to Bucharest
1156513;1433645271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00037276 = 13.1584 BTC [+]
1156514;1433645576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00035859 = 23.3801 BTC [-]
1156515;1433646003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00037283 = 31.3923 BTC [+] {2} 
1156516;1433647284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33149 @ 0.00035859 = 11.8869 BTC [-]
1156517;1433647393;decimation;!up ascii_modem
1156518;1433647461;ascii_modem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156390 << nah. we're at the stage where 'aqueducts? gtfo, we drink piss here, and like it'
1156519;1433647461;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 22:35:12; trinque: seems like we're at the point that you could pick anything to manufacture in the tech sector, and provided you *actually produce the thing named on the box* you'd be the greatest product in that space
1156520;1433647600;mod6;hi ascii_modem.  I've got igprof built, and i tested it with the test code in the COMPILE.txt file.  i've got your igprof_hooks patch applied to the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE source, and i've built it dynamically.
1156521;1433647629;ascii_modem;questions remain?
1156522;1433647651;ascii_modem;for operation, see ml post
1156523;1433647685;mod6;I've started it up, with a command (pasted above); however, I'm not 100% sure if it's running properly.  the size of the log doesn't seem to be growing at all, and not much is dumped when i run: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin profileheapdump v0531_heapdump_003.txt ( for example )
1156524;1433647703;mod6;do you got time for you to get a full breakdown from me? i can put one together quick.
1156525;1433647713;ascii_modem;sure
1156526;1433647717;mod6;cool thx
1156527;1433647721;ascii_modem;dpaste
1156528;1433647737;decimation;ascii_modem: did you see my term pics
1156529;1433647748;ascii_modem;btw you need igprof on your box
1156530;1433647769;ascii_modem;decimation: aha. mystery asic
1156531;1433647779;decimation;heh yeah I figured you would like that
1156532;1433647787;decimation;probably some kind of serial i/o thingy
1156533;1433647794;ascii_modem;any idea re: arch?
1156534;1433647808;decimation;yeah main cpu is 80186
1156535;1433647810;ascii_modem;x86?
1156536;1433647876;mod6;http://dpaste.com/26EBTJX.txt
1156537;1433647877;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2awHN )
1156538;1433647885;mod6;ascii_modem: ^^
1156539;1433647937;ascii_modem;what's in the output proper ?
1156540;1433647964;mod6;that's all i have.  output proper?
1156541;1433647981;mod6;nothing is echo'd out to the terminal.
1156542;1433647986;ascii_modem;ah you forgot to trigger it
1156543;1433648001;mod6;ok. what did i miss?
1156544;1433648016;ascii_modem;read the ml post again
1156545;1433648116;ascii_modem;gotta ask it with rpc cmd to take each dumpshot
1156546;1433648120;decimation;ascii_modem: yeah it's like the 8088 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80186
1156547;1433648120;assbot;Intel 80186 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhfUvW )
1156548;1433648152;ascii_modem;decimation: familiar, used to be common on scsi cards etc
1156549;1433648197;mod6;<+ascii_modem> read the ml post again << ok just re-read for the 3rd time. im /pretty/ sure my execution command (first line of that last dpaste ^^) looks correct. can you confirm?
1156550;1433648217;mod6;<+ascii_modem> gotta ask it with rpc cmd to take each dumpshot << when I take the dump it just puts this one line in there...
1156551;1433648233;ascii_modem;this was not in the paste
1156552;1433648240;mod6;P=(ID=11559 N=(./bitcoind) T=0.008000)
1156553;1433648247;mod6;sorry, i should have thrown that in
1156554;1433648247;ascii_modem;how precisely did you trigger the dump
1156555;1433648251;mod6;im doing this like this:
1156556;1433648305;mod6;http://dpaste.com/05TR557.txt
1156557;1433648306;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2aRdp )
1156558;1433648399;ascii_modem;this rpc command must be given to -already running- bitcoind
1156559;1433648400;mod6;i gotta just have one silly thing out of place is my guess, but i can't tell what it is yet.
1156560;1433648410;ascii_modem;like 'getinfo'
1156561;1433648412;decimation;ascii_modem: interestingly the thing has a 'firmware download' feature even though the main program appears to be on the EPROM
1156562;1433648413;mod6;it does.
1156563;1433648443;mod6;i can show that, gimme a sec.
1156564;1433648443;ascii_modem;mod6: use my exact flags
1156565;1433648449;mod6;ok
1156566;1433648548;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1TBNJBQ.txt
1156567;1433648548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2b8gG )
1156568;1433648574;mod6;my data dir isn't under /root/.bitcoin so every time I invoke bitcoind i need to tell it where to look for its stuff.
1156569;1433648614;ascii_modem;with what flags was original instance running ?
1156570;1433648647;mod6;(19:37) <+mod6> it was executed like so: `nohup $INSTAREA/bin/igprof -d -mp -z -o igprof.mp.gz ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -daemon -profileheap >& igtest.mp.log &`
1156571;1433648674;ascii_modem;ditch the -daemon
1156572;1433648680;mod6;ah
1156573;1433648688;mod6;ok. i'll try again :]
1156574;1433648705;ascii_modem;same flags as mine plz
1156575;1433648809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00034935 = 20.2623 BTC [-] {2} 
1156576;1433648915;mod6;ok, started back up... looking ...
1156577;1433649084;mod6;hmm. this time it didn't spit me out a `igprof.mp.gz`.  the log file seems to be growing slowly though.
1156578;1433649092;mod6;i'll put together a rundown
1156579;1433649114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44251 @ 0.00035233 = 15.591 BTC [+]
1156580;1433649114;ascii_modem;what of snapshots
1156581;1433649144;ascii_modem;those are the necessary thing
1156582;1433649169;ascii_modem;otherwise 'valgrind' would've sufficed
1156583;1433649226;ascii_modem;forget the valgrind-style run log, it is worthless
1156584;1433649244;decimation;!up ascii_modem
1156585;1433649249;ascii_modem;ty
1156586;1433649325;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0HRDCKZ.txt
1156587;1433649326;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F2bSSS )
1156588;1433649350;mike_c;closer, but still not there :)
1156589;1433649374;ascii_modem;really don't need the run log
1156590;1433649379;mike_c;;;later tell jurov new build runs, but crashes after launch screen.
1156591;1433649379;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156592;1433649384;mod6;yeah, the strange part is that im missing that `igprof.mp.gz`
1156593;1433649393;ascii_modem;this is not valgrind
1156594;1433649402;mod6;ok so that doesn't matter?
1156595;1433649412;mike_c;crash is in crystalspace-2.1-vc10.dll .  ugh.
1156596;1433649431;ascii_modem;see what you get when triggered snapshot plz
1156597;1433649455;mod6;im not sure what you mean exactly?
1156598;1433649460;mod6;is that a flag for igprof?
1156599;1433649476;ascii_modem;1) bitcoind is running under igprof
1156600;1433649558;ascii_modem;2) you run 'bitcoind profileheapdump filename.txt'
1156601;1433649579;ascii_modem;this causes running process to shit out a dump
1156602;1433649622;ascii_modem;rpc command, like getinfo
1156603;1433649651;mod6;ah i see what you mean. ok.
1156604;1433649658;mod6;yeah, i did that in my last paste: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin profileheapdump v0531-heapdump-002.txt
1156605;1433649685;mod6;there was just one line in that file: P=(ID=11738 N=(./bitcoind) T=0.008000)
1156606;1433649705;ascii_modem;instance was running when you did this?
1156607;1433649712;mod6;yup
1156608;1433649726;ascii_modem;with what flags ?
1156609;1433649726;mod6;i can do another, sec.
1156610;1433649745;ascii_modem;plz use same! flags as i did
1156611;1433649844;mod6;http://dpaste.com/052M247.txt
1156612;1433649845;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ghjkio )
1156613;1433649856;mike_c;;;later tell jurov deterministic behavior for the win.  I ran it again and it worked..  thanks!
1156614;1433649857;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156615;1433649861;mod6;yup, i'm using the same flags exactly. except I need to add the -datadir flag.
1156616;1433649878;mod6;is that flag a deal-breaker?
1156617;1433649897;ascii_modem;gotta run under igprof !!!
1156618;1433649911;mod6;oook.
1156619;1433649916;ascii_modem;the bitcoind running instance
1156620;1433649929;ascii_modem;not the rpc cmd
1156621;1433649930;mod6;your email just says this:
1156622;1433649931;mod6;To disgorge a heap profile snapshot at a given moment:
1156623;1433649931;mod6;./bitcoind profileheapdump heapdumpfilename
1156624;1433649949;ascii_modem;100% correct
1156625;1433649970;ascii_modem;the running instance of bitcoind, and only it
1156626;1433649982;ascii_modem;must be run via igprof
1156627;1433649997;mod6;but your saying that i need to do like `nohup $INSTAREA/bin/igprof ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin profileheapdump v0531-heapdump-004.txt`?
1156628;1433650079;ascii_modem;nohup igprof -d -mp -z -o igprof.mp.gz ./bitcoind -profileheap >& igtest.mp.log &
1156629;1433650097;ascii_modem;mod6: nooooooo
1156630;1433650124;ascii_modem;do you understand above line from my post ?
1156631;1433650157;ascii_modem;it spins up an instance of bitcoind-under-igprof
1156632;1433650164;mod6; <+ascii_modem> nohup igprof -d -mp -z -o igprof.mp.gz ./bitcoind -profileheap >& igtest.mp.log & <<< this is exactly how im executing to begin with, then bitcoind is running as such (via `ps ax`): 11738 pts/2    SLl    0:17 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -profileheap
1156633;1433650196;ascii_modem;which can, 1, 100, million, times, be asked to take a dump
1156634;1433650200;mod6;well my exact invocation is: nohup $INSTAREA/bin/igprof -d -mp -z -o igprof.mp.gz ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -profileheap >& igtest.mp.log &
1156635;1433650227;mod6;that -datadir flag shouldn't matter.
1156636;1433650230;ascii_modem;mod6: this is running now?
1156637;1433650232;mod6;yeah
1156638;1433650246;ascii_modem;and dump results in turd?
1156639;1433650338;mod6;well, i just found a file in hee, just generated: cat igprof.bitcoind.11807.1433650120.286376.gz | gunzip
1156640;1433650341;mod6;P=(ID=11807 N=(./bitcoind) T=0.008000)
1156641;1433650348;mod6;but that's all thats in there.
1156642;1433650383;ascii_modem;then i can finally pronounce your setup broken
1156643;1433650418;ascii_modem;build igprof from source (i will share mine later) on a gentoo box
1156644;1433650440;ascii_modem;but only -then- bitcoind
1156645;1433650443;mod6;ok. i did build it from source. no problems were encouterd. followed the COMPILE.txt exactly.
1156646;1433650464;mod6;*shrug*
1156647;1433650482;ascii_modem;ipso facto broken
1156648;1433650502;mod6;ok. anyway, thanks for your time.
1156649;1433650539;ascii_modem;we may end up passing around qemu images after all
1156650;1433650559;ascii_modem;because this - is intolerable
1156651;1433650579;mod6;i might just be extra-strenght stupid though.
1156652;1433650598;ascii_modem;invited to check tomorrow again
1156653;1433650639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123600 @ 0.00036592 = 45.2277 BTC [+]
1156654;1433650669;ascii_modem;'night
1156655;1433650674;mod6;night ascii
1156656;1433650851;mod6;well, maybe i can get this damn gentoo box to work
1156657;1433650853;mod6;shehaw
1156658;1433650864;mod6;riiight
1156659;1433652034;mod6;uuugh. this thing is nuttier than squirrel shit.
1156660;1433652069;mod6;ok, i'll give it another shot tomorrow.
1156661;1433653201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88900 @ 0.00035777 = 31.8058 BTC [-]
1156662;1433655885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139200 @ 0.00035777 = 49.8016 BTC [-]
1156663;1433656129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00036592 = 9.5139 BTC [+]
1156664;1433656678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44251 @ 0.00037044 = 16.3923 BTC [+]
1156665;1433656983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00037044 = 8.2608 BTC [+]
1156666;1433657105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00037308 = 14.8299 BTC [+]
1156667;1433657288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5970 @ 0.00037044 = 2.2115 BTC [-]
1156668;1433657471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95300 @ 0.00037308 = 35.5545 BTC [+]
1156669;1433659362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47863 @ 0.00036873 = 17.6485 BTC [-] {2} 
1156670;1433661436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00037308 = 3.4137 BTC [+]
1156671;1433662290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00037308 = 7.1258 BTC [+]
1156672;1433663815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00037253 = 25.034 BTC [-]
1156673;1433665706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62850 @ 0.00037082 = 23.306 BTC [-]
1156674;1433667268;punkman;jurov, there's a problem in eulora.bat, "%PROGRAMFILES(x86)%\cs\winlibs\x86\lib\" should change "cs" to uppercase
1156675;1433667658;punkman;seems to be working otherwise, well done
1156676;1433667769;punkman;;;later tell mircea_popescu I'll take a Eulora account
1156677;1433667769;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156678;1433667841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76833 @ 0.00036407 = 27.9726 BTC [-]
1156679;1433668105;punkman;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5863
1156680;1433668107;assbot;Add autoprune functionality by sdaftuar · Pull Request #5863 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuapfR )
1156681;1433669357;jurov;punkman did changing it fixed your problem? last i heard windows are case-insensitive anyway
1156682;1433669366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67966 @ 0.0003544 = 24.0872 BTC [-] {3} 
1156683;1433669395;mircea_popescu;punkman comin' right up.
1156684;1433669421;jurov;and i'm getting reports it crashes first time or first two tiimes, but then runs fine
1156685;1433669437;jurov;wiithout any changes
1156686;1433669444;mircea_popescu;jurov lol wtf is this, windows is now a mammal ?
1156687;1433669455;mircea_popescu;"hurts the first coupla times baby, but then it goes oiled"
1156688;1433669467;jurov;haha i guess
1156689;1433669485;punkman;jurov, yes it worked after I uppercased it
1156690;1433669538;punkman;will Eulora run on older laptops with linux?
1156691;1433669538;cazalla;ran fine here without any changes
1156692;1433669581;jurov;punkman it needs decent 3d support, if the laptop has old intel card it works but is a pain
1156693;1433669588;mircea_popescu;punkman i had it run on a very old laptop, but it was very slow.
1156694;1433669620;jurov;and eats much cpu too, but i hope that can be improved, there is not reason for that
1156695;1433669650;mircea_popescu;jurov http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows << so where does luser click ?
1156696;1433669651;assbot;Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1cE14DE )
1156697;1433669653;cazalla;that whale monument lags the fuck out of me
1156698;1433669715;jurov;not for lusers yet
1156699;1433669725;mircea_popescu;incidentally : the client is entirely open. if anyone feels like making patches they'll certainly be reviewed.
1156700;1433669750;punkman;jurov, also mingw/msys can be deselected before installer starts installing
1156701;1433669821;jurov;mircea_popescu: i thought when you put it on minigame.bz, then i remove that provisional part altogether
1156702;1433669834;jurov;pukman i see
1156703;1433669875;mircea_popescu;jurov put what/where ?
1156704;1433669884;jurov;the files i uploaded
1156705;1433669914;jurov;what will be one with them?
1156706;1433669931;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/19/cannes-backlash-high-heels-emily-blunt-flat-shoes
1156707;1433669932;assbot;Cannes faces backlash after women reportedly barred from film screening for not wearing high heels | Film | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iue79i )
1156708;1433669932;mircea_popescu;what i want you to do is create a page for your own distribution packages much like the one on binaries
1156709;1433669939;mircea_popescu;then i can link that
1156710;1433669955;jurov;ah, put the manifest into html. ic
1156711;1433669970;mircea_popescu;jurov it can be in any format you wish, including txt, but maintained by you.
1156712;1433669984;mircea_popescu;it'd be a horribru arrangement for me to have to keep changing mine every time you need yours changed.
1156713;1433670011;jurov;.txt is already there, you can publish it and i'll add html version soon
1156714;1433670028;mircea_popescu;can i have a link to it ?
1156715;1433670066;jurov;it's on your ftp server
1156716;1433670087;mircea_popescu;dawg...
1156717;1433670109;mircea_popescu;put the text file somewhere accessible and link it
1156718;1433670110;jurov;so you expected i keep html on explo.yt an only binaries on minigame.bz?
1156719;1433670120;jurov;okay that make s sense
1156720;1433670128;mircea_popescu;well normally that's how myeah
1156721;1433670265;mircea_popescu;jurov for the record, http://minigame.bz/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z http://minigame.bz/eulora/cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe
1156722;1433670266;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1IueIHP )
1156723;1433670267;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1IueIHU )
1156724;1433670271;mircea_popescu;eh wtf.
1156725;1433670295;mircea_popescu;oh i mean
1156726;1433670302;mircea_popescu;jurov for the record, http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe
1156727;1433670313;jurov;http://explo.yt/public/MANIFEST-0.1.0.txt
1156728;1433670313;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IueNvn )
1156729;1433670328;jurov;deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/MANIFEST-0.1.0.txt
1156730;1433670329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuePTZ )
1156731;1433670331;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1156732;1433670494;jurov;http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows updated
1156733;1433670494;assbot;Eulora 0.1.0 for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1IufcOl )
1156734;1433670511;jurov;going afk, will linkify and improve it later
1156735;1433670683;mircea_popescu;jurov http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/jurov-manifest-0.1.0.html << fify
1156736;1433670684;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IufBAn )
1156737;1433670780;jurov;tyvm!
1156738;1433670817;mircea_popescu;i had added a dot after #eulora and then spent 5 minutes trying to figure out wtf why dfoes it say bad signature
1156739;1433670833;mircea_popescu;then i was like a! wait... you can't copyedit gpg signed matter!
1156740;1433671135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120200 @ 0.00035982 = 43.2504 BTC [+] {2} 
1156741;1433671379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00035403 = 3.5049 BTC [-]
1156742;1433672294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00035113 = 6.2501 BTC [-]
1156743;1433672605;mircea_popescu;punkman http://dpaste.com/2Z7A58Y
1156744;1433672606;assbot;dpaste: 2Z7A58Y ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3BP8E )
1156745;1433672757;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-06-2015#1156512 << the notion that anyone fucking asked them...
1156746;1433672757;assbot;Logged on 07-06-2015 02:41:20; williamdunne: I know, yes, it does look odd that I'm booking a flight from Prague to Bucharest
1156747;1433672760;mircea_popescu;so annoying.
1156748;1433672938;mircea_popescu;and now... ima be off... playing my game
1156749;1433672944;mircea_popescu;lalalala an' a bottle o' rum.
1156750;1433672950;mircea_popescu;which they don't have here but the cognac is passible.
1156751;1433674734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109106 @ 0.0003508 = 38.2744 BTC [-] {2} 
1156752;1433675649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00035307 = 8.5796 BTC [+]
1156753;1433675771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94700 @ 0.00035002 = 33.1469 BTC [-] {2} 
1156754;1433677357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66918 @ 0.00034924 = 23.3704 BTC [-] {3} 
1156755;1433678028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87765 @ 0.00035307 = 30.9872 BTC [+]
1156756;1433680523;punkman;jurov, the uppercase thing was fluke, it still crashes a bunch of times before it works
1156757;1433680647;punkman;;;later tell chetty slightly annoying that we can't paste on login form
1156758;1433680649;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156759;1433681810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110550 @ 0.0003625 = 40.0744 BTC [+] {2} 
1156760;1433681932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158520 @ 0.00035593 = 56.422 BTC [-] {2} 
1156761;1433681993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33880 @ 0.00035146 = 11.9075 BTC [-]
1156762;1433682115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00036279 = 11.1921 BTC [+]
1156763;1433684860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95793 @ 0.00035356 = 33.8686 BTC [-]
1156764;1433685165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117000 @ 0.0003548 = 41.5116 BTC [+] {2} 
1156765;1433687117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00035146 = 16.2375 BTC [-]
1156766;1433687287;mircea_popescu;;;later tell ScottJ_ i live in buenos aires yo.
1156767;1433687287;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156768;1433688032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9952 @ 0.00035686 = 3.5515 BTC [+]
1156769;1433688389;scoopbot_revived;The "Follow your heart" myth. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/07/the-follow-your-heart-myth/
1156770;1433688498;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mblyts2T0m1rejj40o1_1280.jpg << the heart in question
1156771;1433688499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiG69E )
1156772;1433688578;shinohai;The heart isn't red enough, may need more spanking to ensure max crimson.
1156773;1433688587;mircea_popescu;max crimson lol
1156774;1433688653;scoopbot_revived;Subject: Important notice from SEC http://trilema.com/2015/subject-important-notice-from-sec/
1156775;1433688798;shinohai;scottrade.tk ? seriously?
1156776;1433688906;shinohai;And the spelling is atrocious .... obvious troll/phish
1156777;1433689410;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1156778;1433689424;gribble;Current Blocks: 359861 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1002 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 19 hours, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1156779;1433689521;pete_dushenski;;;later tell decimation thanks for putting me on to that bloody shovel blog ! you'll find it quoted in the most recent contravex
1156780;1433689521;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156781;1433689653;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153802 << if these kids knew their asses from their heads, they'd be most scared of the ex-military guys in #b-a
1156782;1433689653;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2015 13:57:30; jurov: https://8ch.net/btc/res/332.html#341 bingo's famous
1156783;1433689726;pete_dushenski;not that i'm volunteering to fight BingoBoingo, but mats or adlai would be the one's i'd watch out for.
1156784;1433689746;pete_dushenski;was there anyone else here who did a military stint that i'm forgetting ?
1156785;1433689807;pete_dushenski;and on the chin-ups-as-a-measure-of-fitness front, i can currently do... 8
1156786;1433689837;pete_dushenski;few more weeks of summer weather and 10 is very much acheivable.
1156787;1433689865;pete_dushenski;it's actually nuts how seasonal life in the arctic is
1156788;1433689902;ben_vulpes;how so nuts? you're far away from the equator.
1156789;1433689924;pete_dushenski;5 months of fair weather (may-sept) where i can be active as all hell, and then 7 months where i eat carbs and go soft
1156790;1433689985;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: life in the arctic is nuts compared to life on the internet, where every day is just like the last.
1156791;1433689992;ben_vulpes;i'm thinking futsal for next winter
1156792;1433690031;pete_dushenski;like indoor soccer ?
1156793;1433690040;*;pete_dushenski played this growing up
1156794;1433690069;ben_vulpes;smaller teams, smaller balls, smaller field but more or less.
1156795;1433690117;*;ben_vulpes attempts to compile crystalspace on os x for the third time today
1156796;1433690119;pete_dushenski;5 players *including* goalkeeper eh.
1156797;1433690171;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lotsa weird dependencies ?
1156798;1433690350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42539 @ 0.00035146 = 14.9508 BTC [-]
1156799;1433690395;ben_vulpes;i don't think they're terribly weird, but what do i know
1156800;1433690442;ben_vulpes;the first fun bit was when the configure script for chetty's specified version of cs actually asked me for the password to crystal@crystalspace3d.org's account...
1156801;1433690452;ben_vulpes;was trying to package and upload an msi or some other such madness
1156802;1433690472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50111 @ 0.00035095 = 17.5865 BTC [-]
1156803;1433690474;ben_vulpes;now i'm just trying to compile the latest
1156804;1433690483;ben_vulpes;if this fails i'll download a stable tarball and try that
1156805;1433690493;ben_vulpes;i'm not even certain that anyone builds this on os x regularly
1156806;1433690698;pete_dushenski;sounds like god's work.
1156807;1433690823;pete_dushenski;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38w53p/kraken_bitcoin_withdrawals_keep_pending/ << ruhroh
1156808;1433690824;assbot;Kraken bitcoin withdrawals keep pending : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwMLPT )
1156809;1433691028;pete_dushenski;"On Thursday, the US Office of Personnel Management (OPM) confirmed that hackers broke into its servers. A data center in Denver was compromised, we're told, which resulted in the loss of personal information on four million current and former employees; the records could date back as far as 1985."
1156810;1433691052;pete_dushenski;^unearthing all the "i was just doing my job"ers.
1156811;1433691094;pete_dushenski;retired on not, y'all usian bureaucrats are so fucking guilty.
1156812;1433691183;pete_dushenski;"The agency is offering 18 months of identity-theft protection and credit monitoring services for those who have had their personal details lifted." << i cannot possibly comprehend what's meant by "identity theft protection"
1156813;1433691218;ben_vulpes;i think i have 3 concurrent "identity theft protection" contracts
1156814;1433691249;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: you're familiar with asciilifeform's story about sponsors of foreigners in the states taking mortgages out in the foreigners names?
1156815;1433691273;pete_dushenski;hm nope.
1156816;1433691280;pete_dushenski;sounds plausible enough though
1156817;1433691514;pete_dushenski;"A Spanish woman has filed a lawsuit against eBay for the right to sell the Sun, El Mundo reports." << an answer to that old question : "what is the utility of the sun to you ?"
1156818;1433691555;pete_dushenski;i guess it's about 10k euroes
1156819;1433692093;pete_dushenski;the reg's tim worstall is at it again : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/07/so_why_didnt_quantitative_easing_produce_huge_inflation/
1156820;1433692094;assbot;So why the hell didn't quantitative easing produce HUGE inflation? • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwPeKb )
1156821;1433692157;pete_dushenski;""So, if we increase the money supply then we'll get lots more inflation. This didn't happen, or as I'll point out, did in fact, so obviously those who were crying wolf were wrong"
1156822;1433692183;pete_dushenski;"A quick historical divergence: it's much more useful to study the 19th Century recessions to see this, as at that point M, money, was determined by the supply of gold. And yes, recessions really were accompanied by significant deflation and also falls in output and no, no one really liked that at all. Which is why this idea that Bitcoin has only a single total amount that will ever be issued is not to the taste
1156823;1433692184;pete_dushenski; of central bankers. Because it ties hands when dealing with this specific problem."
1156824;1433692235;pete_dushenski;anyways, i hung up worstall once before when he tried to make a value proposition for facebook : http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/
1156825;1433692237;assbot;How the adage “time is money� and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwPzfW )
1156826;1433692293;pete_dushenski;he's probably too old and retarded to bother inviting here for a little conversation
1156827;1433692317;pete_dushenski;but maybe one day he'll stumble upon this corner of the world, and we'll have the logs to start with
1156828;1433692340;pete_dushenski;and now i'm off to meatspace ! ciao !!
1156829;1433692485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48021 @ 0.00035292 = 16.9476 BTC [+] {2} 
1156830;1433692926;ben_vulpes;crystalspace 2.0 confirmed to be broken on os x
1156831;1433692945;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, the navy is gearing up for its own f35: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/06/congress-tries-to-hide-a-submarine-000069
1156832;1433692946;assbot;Congress tries to hide a submarine ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwQYTP )
1156833;1433692973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00035762 = 25.1407 BTC [+] {2} 
1156834;1433692988;ben_vulpes;dude what is the damn point of a sub
1156835;1433692998;ben_vulpes;incredibly expensive
1156836;1433693002;ben_vulpes;incredibly vulnerable
1156837;1433693010;ben_vulpes;hugely visible on sonar i imagine
1156838;1433694377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109600 @ 0.00034885 = 38.234 BTC [-] {2} 
1156839;1433694486;jurov;<ben_vulpes> crystalspace 2.0 confirmed to be broken on os x << sauce?
1156840;1433694579;ben_vulpes;personal verification.
1156841;1433694616;ben_vulpes;downloaded tarball, ran ./configure, configure script asks for password for crystal@crystalspace3d.org , fails to produce jam or makefiles
1156842;1433694634;ben_vulpes;have also done the same thing with various svn checkouts
1156843;1433694671;jurov;do you have osx system i can remote to?
1156844;1433694680;jurov;or anyone?
1156845;1433694682;ben_vulpes;chetty's going to post me a tarball to try, i expect it to behave the precisely same way
1156846;1433694690;ben_vulpes;nope.
1156847;1433694714;ben_vulpes;i'm going to go stand in the sun and burn the open source off of my face.
1156848;1433694722;ben_vulpes;and hands.
1156849;1433694855;ben_vulpes;i just keep failing/to compile/crystal space/on my mac/ooh ooh ooh (to the tune of https://youtu.be/Urdlvw0SSEc?t=49)
1156850;1433694856;assbot;Alicia Keys - Fallin' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dolmlq )
1156851;1433695475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 330100 @ 0.00034737 = 114.6668 BTC [-] {6} 
1156852;1433695679;mircea_popescu;o.O
1156853;1433695963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102854 @ 0.00035961 = 36.9873 BTC [+] {2} 
1156854;1433696390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72050 @ 0.00036018 = 25.951 BTC [+]
1156855;1433696695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17519 @ 0.00036018 = 6.31 BTC [+]
1156856;1433697366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6280 @ 0.00034878 = 2.1903 BTC [-]
1156857;1433698587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114700 @ 0.00035073 = 40.2287 BTC [+] {2} 
1156858;1433699989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131200 @ 0.0003621 = 47.5075 BTC [+] {3} 
1156859;1433700843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50111 @ 0.00036113 = 18.0966 BTC [-]
1156860;1433701087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00036496 = 20.2553 BTC [+] {2} 
1156861;1433701166;mircea_popescu;blockchain down again huh
1156862;1433701244;kakobrekla;heh
1156863;1433701247;*;Adlai also gets anxious when it takes more than 10 minutes to confirm
1156864;1433701270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107541 @ 0.00036113 = 38.8363 BTC [-]
1156865;1433701514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59259 @ 0.00035182 = 20.8485 BTC [-]
1156866;1433701819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192200 @ 0.00036811 = 70.7507 BTC [+] {3} 
1156867;1433702917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59259 @ 0.00036 = 21.3332 BTC [-]
1156868;1433702979;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-06-2015#1156812 < pete in the us this often is a scam.  Because none of the banks actually use a WoT to determine creditworthiness (like they did in the past), they use a silly credit score system
1156869;1433702979;assbot;Logged on 07-06-2015 15:33:03; pete_dushenski: "The agency is offering 18 months of identity-theft protection and credit monitoring services for those who have had their personal details lifted." << i cannot possibly comprehend what's meant by "identity theft protection"
1156870;1433703019;decimation;so all you need to do to apply for credit is to know someone's personal identity details, mainly their social security number
1156871;1433703086;decimation;the 'theft protection' generally are the same agencies selling the credit scores also selling you the 'service' of telling you when someone applies for credit in your name
1156872;1433703107;decimation;you know, 'that's an aweful nice score you got there, would be a shame if something happened to it'
1156873;1433703145;decimation;how this helps protect individual bureaucrats from Chinese designs is a mystery
1156874;1433703469;shinohai;http://www.wired.com/2010/05/lifelock-identity-theft/    <<< like this?
1156875;1433703470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RVRZ9j )
1156876;1433703477;decimation;heh yeah
1156877;1433703492;decimation;the other part of the scam is to get you to subscribe to a 'service' that does very little for you
1156878;1433703513;decimation;I suspect many of these 'free giveaways' for credit monitoring are merely trojan horse marketing schemes
1156879;1433703594;trinque;mod6: ey, I'm building a basic gentoo in a VM today. if it bakes well, I'll image it and give you a torrent.
1156880;1433703614;trinque;also writing up my steps, not using the handbook
1156881;1433703830;decimation;;;later tell pete_dushenski no problem, that blog is one of the few that are fairly readable in the 'reactionary sphere'.  top commenters too.
1156882;1433703830;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1156883;1433703832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73300 @ 0.00037192 = 27.2617 BTC [+] {2} 
1156884;1433703883;decimation;for instance, Handle points out: "See, e.g., this updated criterion for military officer (and NCO!) evaluation (only now becoming a big deal, since one is no longer able to slide with ?supports the program? type of bullet points). This is the Army version, but the same policy is now implemented across all the armed services."
1156885;1433703892;decimation;" ? raters will assess how well the rated officer or NCO fostered a climate of dignity and respect and adhered to the Sexual harassment/Assault Response and Prevention (SHARP) Program. "
1156886;1433704003;mod6;trinque: hey thanks!
1156887;1433704125;trinque;np
1156888;1433704141;trinque;coming at it from the perspective that you do everything not related to booting the thing *after* booting the thing
1156889;1433705838;decimation;https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kde6s_he-is-not-equal-never-will-be_news < Harry Lee's (now dead 'king' of singapore) speech on equality
1156890;1433705839;assbot;He is not equal, never will be - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1eWLDbv )
1156891;1433706806;decimation;http://nullprogram.com/blog/2015/05/15/ < how to thread without the pthread library
1156892;1433706808;assbot;Raw Linux Threads via System Calls « null program ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOlbuS )
1156893;1433706853;decimation;^ perhaps there is an awakening here, folks are realizing it make sense to 'live in the bedrock' rather than accept the shit-stack in userland without question
1156894;1433707126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 255250 @ 0.00036073 = 92.0763 BTC [-]
1156895;1433707243;danielpbarron;!up Petit_Dejeuner
1156896;1433707306;Petit_Dejeuner;Thanks. I don't have much to say though.
1156897;1433707797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26242 @ 0.0003588 = 9.4156 BTC [-] {2} 
1156898;1433708054;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/untamed/
1156899;1433708055;assbot;Untamed Devotion: Endless Beginnings 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOmKZv )
1156900;1433708096;jurov;http://www.explo.yt/eulora/eulora_33.jpg party in full swing
1156901;1433708099;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOmQjX )
1156902;1433708194;decimation;lol story on what happened with moldbug's "uninvitation" was censored on hacker news http://hnrankings.info/9674992/
1156903;1433708195;assbot;Hacker News Rankings ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOmV7p )
1156904;1433708225;decimation;"However, in this case it is clear to me that your opinions in areas outside your talk are concerning enough for a significantly large number of attendees that those reactions are overshadowing the talk and acting as a distraction for launching the conference as a whole."
1156905;1433708257;decimation;note the particularly oblique angle here: it's not that yarvin's opinions are bad, it's that his group can't handle them, see
1156906;1433708271;decimation;it would be a real shame if you showed up at our meeting of the jacobin club
1156907;1433708290;decimation;"I can handle it, but you never know about those sans qulot"
1156908;1433708590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101450 @ 0.00035113 = 35.6221 BTC [-] {2} 
1156909;1433709212;Adlai;he even specifically distances himself from the content ("I have not personally read them"), what apparently his audience is unable to do
1156910;1433709566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117755 @ 0.00034671 = 40.8268 BTC [-]
1156911;1433709688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91834 @ 0.00034975 = 32.1189 BTC [+]
1156912;1433709807;trinque;mod6: it lives
1156913;1433709877;decimation;Adlai: heh yeah
1156914;1433709905;decimation;https://improprietaryinfluence.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/a-strange-loop/ < another blog on the topic > "What should have happened was the activists being told to get lost five years ago, when the ?inclusiveness? crusade began. Neutral technologists, if they knew then what they will know eventually, would have done that."
1156915;1433709906;assbot;A Strange Loop | Improprietary Influence ... ( http://bit.ly/1KOoQZB )
1156916;1433709912;decimation;" But they believed the lies. As a result, they now have negligibly greater contributions from ?the oppressed?, but they are losing out on contributions from conservatives?extreme conservatives now, but moderate conservatives later. In the end they will have nothing."
1156917;1433713104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 328072 @ 0.00034726 = 113.9263 BTC [-] {4} 
1156918;1433713348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6635 @ 0.00035287 = 2.3413 BTC [+]
1156919;1433714873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129800 @ 0.00034618 = 44.9342 BTC [-] {2} 
1156920;1433714909;danielpbarron;!up _flow_
1156921;1433714924;danielpbarron;!up alaricsp
1156922;1433714943;danielpbarron;!up BananaLotus
1156923;1433714954;danielpbarron;!up bitspill
1156924;1433714970;danielpbarron;!up CryptOprah
1156925;1433714981;danielpbarron;!up eric
1156926;1433714992;danielpbarron;!up huseby
1156927;1433715001;danielpbarron;!up Jezzz
1156928;1433715010;danielpbarron;!up julmac
1156929;1433715024;danielpbarron;!up kdomanski
1156930;1433715038;danielpbarron;!up knotwork
1156931;1433715048;danielpbarron;!up mariorz
1156932;1433715059;danielpbarron;!up MCM-Mike
1156933;1433715080;danielpbarron;!up NewLiberty
1156934;1433715101;danielpbarron;!up ryan-c
1156935;1433715131;danielpbarron;!up warptangent
1156936;1433715141;danielpbarron;!up weex
1156937;1433715154;danielpbarron;!up wiz
1156938;1433715160;danielpbarron;!up yang
1156939;1433715330;danielpbarron;^ all the users idling in here with a key registered and 0 in assbot's l2
1156940;1433715420;mod6;<+trinque> mod6: it lives << ahh cool. got it workin?
1156941;1433715437;trinque;yeah, got a torrent of the image too
1156942;1433715463;trinque;fiddling with my network such that I can seed it
1156943;1433715549;trinque;boots a kernel which should be equivalent to the livecd (genkernel), grub2, eudev instead of udev, root has password "gentoo", all other decisions (logger, cron, so on) left to be made
1156944;1433715584;trinque;a few things (pulseaudio, systemd) removed by USE in make.conf
1156945;1433715746;jurov;trinque, livecd with eulora autostarted?
1156946;1433715771;ben_vulpes;neat, danielpbarron
1156947;1433715776;trinque;jurov: exercise left to reader
1156948;1433715803;trinque;mod6: ping ya with a torrent in a bit
1156949;1433715813;trinque;image is signed by my key
1156950;1433715991;ben_vulpes;neat, trinque
1156951;1433715999;ben_vulpes;ALL I HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE IS NEATS
1156952;1433716886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32554 @ 0.00035287 = 11.4873 BTC [+]
1156953;1433717231;Adlai;how do you like your whisky, ben_vulpes
1156954;1433717496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00035127 = 12.9619 BTC [-]
1156955;1433717676;ben_vulpes;on the rocks
1156956;1433718021;mod6;trinque: thanks!
1156957;1433718838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00034618 = 32.0909 BTC [-]
1156958;1433719265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00034618 = 19.3515 BTC [-]
1156959;1433719306;shinohai;http://41.media.tumblr.com/ce6c62fe7f1bc60d2a1e5698ad853e76/tumblr_nit4lkwhYG1smjc75o1_1280.jpg
1156960;1433719306;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gjy6VG )
1156961;1433719448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85400 @ 0.00035127 = 29.9985 BTC [+]
1156962;1433719753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137250 @ 0.00034618 = 47.5132 BTC [-]
1156963;1433720180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00034618 = 19.9227 BTC [-]
1156964;1433720995;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1156965;1433721306;trinque;mod6: see if you can pull this down http://dpaste.com/2AH328W.txt
1156966;1433721308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgDJEq )
1156967;1433721315;trinque;that's a signed torrent file
1156968;1433724403;scoopbot_revived;Eulora! http://trilema.com/2015/eulora/
1156969;1433726570;mod6;trinque: i've got it, thanks
1156970;1433728474;danielpbarron;!up NewLiberty
1156971;1433728675;NewLiberty;Is it ironic that you !up me, when it is your -1 rating that prevents me from doing so myself?
1156972;1433728675;NewLiberty;  You're just making more work for yourself. lol
1156973;1433728718;NewLiberty;Looks like assbot changed from needing >=0 to needing >0 for !up
1156974;1433728916;danielpbarron;i think it was always that way
1156975;1433728969;danielpbarron;do you still think a hard fork is "acceptable for expediency's sake" ?
1156976;1433729861;decimation;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676630 < the shit behind HN ratings hits
1156977;1433729862;assbot;A few things. I was not planning on getting involved in this conversation, but s... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXb90p )
1156978;1433729870;decimation;"A few things. I was not planning on getting involved in this conversation, but since dang decided to un-flag it, I'm going to leave one or two comments, but don't plan on sticking around very much. "
1156979;1433729916;decimation;This Steve Klabnik guy obviously calls shots on HN, and is also a left-wing radical.  Apparently he was also among those who protested yarvin on twitter.
1156980;1433730002;BingoBoingo;I'm just wondering... How the fuck does one get labeled too conservative for a conference in Missouri?
1156981;1433730064;decimation;BingoBoingo: that's what I thought
1156982;1433730098;decimation;link from the thread: http://pando.com/2015/02/04/the-geometry-of-censorship-and-satire/ < "horizontal censorship"
1156983;1433730100;assbot;The geometry of censorship and satire | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXbvnK )
1156984;1433731383;mircea_popescu;decimation who is steve klabnik and why would anyone care ?
1156985;1433731497;decimation;apparently he's among those who 'influenced' the guy in charge of this conference in st louis
1156986;1433731503;mircea_popescu;http://www.infoq.com/resource/presentations/API-Open/en/mediumimage/Stevebig.jpg << no, nevermind.
1156987;1433731504;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXcTa1 )
1156988;1433731509;decimation;in order to convince him to blackball yarvin from the conference
1156989;1433731635;decimation;interestingly the guy who is organizing the conference apparently works on clojure
1156990;1433731644;cazalla;why do those guys always look the same
1156991;1433731660;mircea_popescu;cazalla for the same reason starlets generally  look the same.
1156992;1433732684;decimation;!up agorecki
1156993;1433732693;mircea_popescu;decimation i have my doubts re this entire calling shots thing, but whatevs.
1156994;1433732718;decimation;well, 'calling the shots' as in 'appear vaguely threatening on twitter'
1156995;1433732724;mircea_popescu;it is every adolescent boy's dearest dream and hottest hope to misrepresent himself as a shot-caller in company,
1156996;1433732749;decimation;it seems likely that he either 'flagged' the post or knew a moderator who could
1156997;1433732750;mircea_popescu;and it is every neotenic usian's highest aspiration, to remain a derpy adolescent way in his 50s
1156998;1433732759;decimation;not exactly high in the social world if you think about it though
1156999;1433732770;mircea_popescu;or fail that, it seems likely he typed words in a web box.
1157000;1433732776;decimation;hehe yeah possibly
1157001;1433732787;decimation;"this guy's a racist mmkay"
1157002;1433732813;mircea_popescu;is yarvin even racist, other than simply being stupid ?
1157003;1433732820;decimation;no, not really
1157004;1433732846;decimation;I mean, he certainly affirms the falsehoods of egalitarianism
1157005;1433732882;mircea_popescu;i thought racism was when you wouldn't fuck naomi campbell or shakira because you don't stick your junk in garbage.
1157006;1433732925;decimation;heh I guess, in which case I suspect a significant number of white males in the us would qualify
1157007;1433732945;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, wtf's going on in the country of the fair ? back in the 80s they had superhot black supermodels and blondy madonna was tag teaming them with rappers
1157008;1433732960;mircea_popescu;today ? who's the campbell of today so i'm not stuck using old prunes in my illustrative koans.
1157009;1433732982;decimation;you know it's a good point.  somehow the whole 'multiracial marriage/dating' thing has gone way off the burner in the us
1157010;1433733003;decimation;I mean, you are a racist if you think every human isn't identical, but not if you only date white girls
1157011;1433733086;decimation;interestingly yarvin himself appeared in the thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676813
1157012;1433733088;assbot;"He has *literally* written that several of his co-speakers are genetically more... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXeaO8 )
1157013;1433733097;mircea_popescu;i'm sure there must be a wankfest dedicated to this topic somewhere, purring in the basement waiting for its time to feed at the public trough
1157014;1433733120;decimation;yeah the overton window hasn't extended there yet
1157015;1433733127;decimation;"Frankly, I'm actually considering recanting. Who wouldn't rather be Galileo than Giordano Bruno? But recanting is a serious matter - it's the sort of thing you need to get right the first time."
1157016;1433733207;mircea_popescu;attention whores trying to bilk attention out of attention whores ?
1157017;1433733216;mircea_popescu;change channel plox ty.
1157018;1433733223;decimation;hehe yeah
1157019;1433733274;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-06-2015#1156878 << imagine, if the identity theft protection thing stole your identity!
1157020;1433733274;assbot;Logged on 07-06-2015 18:58:33; decimation: I suspect many of these 'free giveaways' for credit monitoring are merely trojan horse marketing schemes
1157021;1433733284;mircea_popescu;and worked it like the old style porn scams, just keep billing all your ccs
1157022;1433733295;decimation;yeah I think it kinda works that way actually
1157023;1433733316;decimation;it's one of those things you can call up old ladies and sell to them
1157024;1433733318;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1157025;1433733593;mircea_popescu;oglaf is becoming too hermetic for my meagre powers.
1157026;1433733600;mircea_popescu;maybe i don't have enough sex
1157027;1433733773;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-06-2015#1156939 << as you can see, it doesn't do anything.
1157028;1433733773;assbot;Logged on 07-06-2015 22:15:30; danielpbarron: ^ all the users idling in here with a key registered and 0 in assbot's l2
1157029;1433734040;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbj2k1jyfv1r2a4juo1_500.gif
1157030;1433734041;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXeRXW )
1157031;1433734149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.00034615 = 11.7518 BTC [-] {2} 
1157032;1433734995;decimation;ben_vulpes: it wasn't in reference to this article, that's why I linked it
1157033;1433735491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.0003496 = 17.3926 BTC [+]
1157034;1433736805;scoopbot_revived;Online Drug Trade Booming Despite Silk Road Shut Down & Ulbricht's Subsequent Life Sentence http://qntra.net/2015/06/online-drug-trade-booming-despite-silk-road-shut-down-ulbrichts-subsequent-life-sentence/
1157035;1433737054;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F17004DE4055B78E6EC20B9D1F2B79991A64E281D38AEA492EF57949677A365 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD4C57403CECBEB77262D7BE6F1E4F9925E7A673AA8AA1A5971A1555B67C20AD http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46857AF6ACB8BBE0C499CE03E1C876C2DC242B57C06D9E43F65B6B581A0E0F44
1157036;1433737057;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEf5W )
1157037;1433737060;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEdv5 )
1157038;1433737063;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEfmq )
1157039;1433737066;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjEfmy )
1157040;1433737085;mircea_popescu;i feel very welcomed :D
1157041;1433737178;asciilifeform;l0l
1157042;1433737369;asciilifeform;didn't somebody volunteer to weld that thing to #b-a ticker ?
1157043;1433737373;agorecki;Why do I still have voice after an hour and a half?
1157044;1433737374;asciilifeform;kakobrekla ?
1157045;1433737419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform william dunne
1157046;1433737433;mircea_popescu;agorecki you're special like that.
1157047;1433737493;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157021 << the traditional form of the crime in usa involves borrowing gigantic sums in the victim's name
1157048;1433737493;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 03:14:44; mircea_popescu: and worked it like the old style porn scams, just keep billing all your ccs
1157049;1433737507;asciilifeform;(most u.s. folk aren't 'good' for much else scam-wise)
1157050;1433737599;asciilifeform;notably, afaik in all states that have government lotteries, folks trying to quit gambling habit can ask themselves to be place on permanent list of folks who will never be allowed to claim winnings. but one cannot, apparently, do this for the mortgage racker.
1157051;1433737602;asciilifeform;racket
1157052;1433737633;mircea_popescu;lol
1157053;1433737635;asciilifeform;i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'
1157054;1433737654;mircea_popescu;even if gpg signed ?
1157055;1433737660;asciilifeform;aha
1157056;1433737668;mircea_popescu;deedbot- <
1157057;1433737671;asciilifeform;that just means fucker killed me and took my key.
1157058;1433737691;scoopbot_revived;The Pawnbroker http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/
1157059;1433738056;decimation;asciilifeform: usia is not a land of 'exit'
1157060;1433738087;mircea_popescu;protestant idiocy, this.
1157061;1433738091;asciilifeform;for most of us, just one exit - up the chimney.
1157062;1433738094;mircea_popescu;"you can never be expelled - ever!11"
1157063;1433738095;asciilifeform;just like in that other usa.
1157064;1433738111;mircea_popescu;tyvm, but maybe i wanna be expelled sometime.
1157065;1433738181;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma356gYq4S1qibgrlo1_1280.jpg
1157066;1433738183;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KjF3Yt )
1157067;1433738395;asciilifeform;in other news,
1157068;1433738408;asciilifeform;learned that you can still buy newly-minted cdp1802!
1157069;1433738410;asciilifeform;http://www.intersil.com/en/products/space-and-harsh-environment/harsh-environment/microprocessors-and-peripherals/CDP1802A.html?pn=CDP1802A
1157070;1433738412;assbot;CDP1802A ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAzN27 )
1157071;1433738422;asciilifeform;(bring heavy bag of usd)
1157072;1433738424;mircea_popescu;they actually fly with them ?!
1157073;1433738444;asciilifeform;since 1976.
1157074;1433738455;asciilifeform;can get it on sapphire, too.
1157075;1433738635;asciilifeform;had some very interesting features found, afaik, in no other cpu
1157076;1433738651;asciilifeform;like defaulting to 'key instructions in by hand without glue logic for keypad' mode
1157077;1433738961;asciilifeform;http://oldcomputers.net/rca-cosmac-vip.html << see also.
1157078;1433738962;assbot;RCA COSMAC VIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAAus8 )
1157079;1433739944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84800 @ 0.00034962 = 29.6478 BTC [+] {2} 
1157080;1433746105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035127 = 10.1517 BTC [+]
1157081;1433746156;ben_vulpes;aha
1157082;1433746169;ben_vulpes;found an ubuntu partition on my ancient mac
1157083;1433746190;ben_vulpes;doesn't support tap-to-click
1157084;1433746194;ben_vulpes;more open source hurray
1157085;1433746927;ben_vulpes;and the update manager nags me about 14.04 every time i run apt-get
1157086;1433746928;ben_vulpes;woo
1157087;1433746959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00035127 = 4.2855 BTC [+]
1157088;1433749583;punkman;http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mormon-soaking.jpg
1157089;1433749584;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cFToks )
1157090;1433750497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00035127 = 8.8344 BTC [+]
1157091;1433752070;jurov;catholics have better system. we can do anything as long as we confess with genuine remorse afterwards.
1157092;1433752228;jurov;it's not so hard to feel such after, say, reading trilema
1157093;1433752859;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1157094;1433752859;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2M07W8Z.txt )
1157095;1433755573;shinohai;;;ticker
1157096;1433755574;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.48, Best ask: 225.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 225.48, 24 hour volume: 20916.25266725, 24 hour low: 222.29, 24 hour high: 225.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1157097;1433757187;cazalla;fucking australia lol.. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/08/victoria-proposes-laws-to-force-potential-terrorists-into-deradicalisation-programs
1157098;1433757188;assbot;Victoria proposes forcing suspected radicalised teenagers into programs | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhoyBi )
1157099;1433757350;cazalla;another state, Queensland, has something similar whereby bikies are not permitted to associate with other bikies even if no crime has previously or is planned to be committed
1157100;1433757877;shinohai;That sounds more Canadian than Australian ...
1157101;1433758427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00035052 = 22.889 BTC [-]
1157102;1433758893;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/HqiVVtj.jpg
1157103;1433758893;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhsLow )
1157104;1433759694;cazalla;aeroplane tatt.. i think that's a first for me
1157105;1433759708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00035127 = 4.4611 BTC [+]
1157106;1433759936;shinohai;Because she's gonna wreck you like 9/11
1157107;1433760405;davout;cazalla: i'd totally request a clearance
1157108;1433760439;cazalla;kamikaze!
1157109;1433760649;davout;"Requesting clearance to land in runway charlie uniform mike november!!1"
1157110;1433760670;davout;"correction, charlie uniform november tango"
1157111;1433760682;davout;derp
1157112;1433760928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00035127 = 9.537 BTC [+]
1157113;1433760979;shinohai;lol
1157114;1433762565;jurov;davout, you're still trying osx eulora?
1157115;1433762574;jurov;ben_vulpes failed miserably
1157116;1433762582;davout;jurov: no, i have a proper box nao
1157117;1433763083;jurov;http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay updated !!!
1157118;1433763085;assbot;Gameplay - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1FKSeeT )
1157119;1433763735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00035127 = 18.7578 BTC [+]
1157120;1433766667;wyrdmantis;"Bitcoin lords" : http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/390i3d/block_size_conservatives_build_your_alternatives/crzbt2y
1157121;1433766668;assbot;DakotaChiliBeans comments on Block Size Conservatives - Build Your Alternatives, Then We Won't Have To Lift Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxQA7s )
1157122;1433766933;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1157123;1433766946;gribble;Current Blocks: 359988 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 875 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1157124;1433767504;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1157125;1433767508;gribble;Current Blocks: 359990 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 873 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48871674432.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.69404
1157126;1433767612;BingoBoingo;!up justanotheruser
1157127;1433767693;jurov;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23
1157128;1433767726;jurov;if my code is correct, that is
1157129;1433767754;justanotheruser;neat
1157130;1433767882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63417 @ 0.00034622 = 21.9562 BTC [-] {2} 
1157131;1433769255;asciilifeform;jurov: phathub ?
1157132;1433769265;jurov;github :D
1157133;1433769327;jurov;now doing second batch, there is a dude with ALL keys broken
1157134;1433769333;jurov;O.o
1157135;1433769374;jurov;second batch results 795857 keys, 4 bad, 46 phucked total.
1157136;1433769443;jurov;interesting that 641 nor 6700417 appeared, only smaller primes
1157137;1433769514;jurov;*not appeared
1157138;1433769672;jurov;only interim results, it's still slurping the keys. ofc there will be writeup
1157139;1433769712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218714 @ 0.00034603 = 75.6816 BTC [-] {2} 
1157140;1433769773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40517 @ 0.0003457 = 14.0067 BTC [-] {2} 
1157141;1433771664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181300 @ 0.00034567 = 62.67 BTC [-] {2} 
1157142;1433771850;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1157143;1433771853;gribble;Current Blocks: 359999 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 864 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48815290596.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.57556
1157144;1433773324;punkman;https://khayav.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/enhanced-buzz-15688-1361029818-0.jpg
1157145;1433773325;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiAnRP )
1157146;1433773433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00034561 = 11.4397 BTC [-]
1157147;1433774359;mircea_popescu;good mornin' assets!
1157148;1433774555;jurov;hello mircea
1157149;1433774578;mircea_popescu;is eulora nothing but a wall of claims yet ?
1157150;1433774622;jurov;yes
1157151;1433774641;jurov;bots are already considered
1157152;1433774656;mircea_popescu;great.
1157153;1433774668;mircea_popescu;ima put up a job later for irc/freenode integration in chat, just fyi.
1157154;1433774709;mod6;morning mircea_popescu
1157155;1433775081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00035127 = 9.4843 BTC [+]
1157156;1433775105;mircea_popescu;awww and i thought it was surely going to break 40
1157157;1433775214;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157088 << ftr, worth a try. can be fun.
1157158;1433775214;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 07:46:23; punkman: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mormon-soaking.jpg
1157159;1433775292;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157092 << bwahahaha ah shit! MY COVER! BLOWN!
1157160;1433775292;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 08:30:28; jurov: it's not so hard to feel such after, say, reading trilema
1157161;1433775402;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157097 << i can see this. make him live with half a dozen highschool dropouts and fuck them at least five times a day (each). a few weeks later... what radical omfg.
1157162;1433775402;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 09:53:07; cazalla: fucking australia lol.. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/08/victoria-proposes-laws-to-force-potential-terrorists-into-deradicalisation-programs
1157163;1433775414;mircea_popescu;gives employment to the otherwise useless schoolage aussies too.
1157164;1433775465;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157102 << you're starting to get it!
1157165;1433775465;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 10:21:33; shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/HqiVVtj.jpg
1157166;1433775503;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157110 < ahahaha okkk
1157167;1433775503;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 10:51:10; davout: "correction, charlie uniform november tango"
1157168;1433775602;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157120 << yeah dude totally. buncha hitchhikers move into your house then they're all "dudes, just build your ALTERNATIVE HOUSE then we won't have to you knwo, go sleep in jail tonight"
1157169;1433775602;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 12:31:07; wyrdmantis: "Bitcoin lords" : http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/390i3d/block_size_conservatives_build_your_alternatives/crzbt2y
1157170;1433775608;mircea_popescu;right. i can totally see this "argument".
1157171;1433776249;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157127 << o.O
1157172;1433776249;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 12:48:13; jurov: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far have 733k phathub rsa keys, of these 19 have factors 3,5,17 or 23
1157173;1433776728;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157138 << you basically running a phuctor-for-rsa on your own ? give it a site!
1157174;1433776728;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 13:21:12; jurov: only interim results, it's still slurping the keys. ofc there will be writeup
1157175;1433776815;mircea_popescu;shinohai shit son, that's her DAUGHTER is it ?!
1157176;1433776819;mircea_popescu;win.
1157177;1433776859;shinohai;Mother/daughter is the ultimate win if somehow you work yourself into that scenario.
1157178;1433776912;davout;shinohai: right
1157179;1433776927;mircea_popescu;davout knows.
1157180;1433776971;davout;more the "amplified nagging" side than the sexual one tbh
1157181;1433776981;jurov;mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD
1157182;1433777010;mircea_popescu;davout obv.
1157183;1433777032;mircea_popescu;jurov a ok. well phuctor propers like what, 1/5 done or so. will add your lot then for sure.
1157184;1433777129;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1157185;1433777223;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, kinda interesting from an anthropological perspective that on one hand fucking your nubile daughter aside her mother in a steaming session is a closely held taboo, but generally speaking fucking OTHER PEOPLE's adolescent daughters is a closely held ideal.
1157186;1433777242;mircea_popescu;basically if you have a gated community of people who all have 19 yo daughters, everybody has to sleep at the neighbour's!
1157187;1433777390;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157181 << it doesn't need much
1157188;1433777390;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 15:23:01; jurov: mircea_popescu: just slurping keys using github api and trying some small factor on them. i don't have capacity to full GCD
1157189;1433777414;mircea_popescu;how's teh fields this fine morning alf ?
1157190;1433777423;ascii_field;plough rusted, cleaning.
1157191;1433777466;mircea_popescu;well, at least be thankful you're not one thousand chickens.
1157192;1433777538;ascii_field;one of approximately 6
1157193;1433777560;ascii_field;(oxen)
1157194;1433777574;mircea_popescu;hey, that used to be the golden standard historically!
1157195;1433777800;ascii_field;jurov: in no case is trial division more efficient than gcd(n, product-of-a-bunch-of-primes)
1157196;1433777870;mircea_popescu;he can get results of the form "which moduli divisible by 19" using less memory.
1157197;1433777885;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: nearly same amount
1157198;1433777896;mircea_popescu;well no because he doesn't have to keep the product
1157199;1433777897;jurov;trying all first 10k primes on all keys still went in short time and got no bigger factors than 100 anyway
1157200;1433777916;mircea_popescu;his report that there are no keys divisible by M kinda blew my mind
1157201;1433777928;ascii_field;jurov: which keys were these again ?
1157202;1433777935;mircea_popescu;he scrapped github
1157203;1433777939;jurov;ssh pubkeys from github
1157204;1433777944;ascii_field;Ah
1157205;1433777948;ascii_field;neat
1157206;1433777957;mircea_popescu;think about it alf. no M. how could this be.
1157207;1433778017;*;ascii_field looks in log, does not find this
1157208;1433778024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157136
1157209;1433778024;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 13:17:23; jurov: interesting that 641 nor 6700417 appeared, only smaller primes
1157210;1433778028;mircea_popescu;m is a composite of those two
1157211;1433778034;jurov;moment. i have stopped trying at first found divisor
1157212;1433778034;ascii_field;ah that m
1157213;1433778042;ascii_field;l0l
1157214;1433778046;mircea_popescu;which m didja think ?!
1157215;1433778046;jurov;so it's possible they are still there
1157216;1433778101;ascii_field;i doubt that we'll see the same 'mirroring' trick re: ssh keys, as it is a creature of the old-fashioned 32-bit fingerprint in pre-civilized pgptron
1157217;1433778111;ascii_field;(at least, as an attack it makes sense there)
1157218;1433778115;mircea_popescu;a number of explanations are readily available : a) M works on specific code that happened to be wrung out of openssh codebase somehow. differential reading of gpg and openssh should indicate it then, and patch history should show us who knows better.
1157219;1433778130;mircea_popescu;b) M is really the product of breakage, that didn't occur there. or of trollage, that idem.
1157220;1433778157;ascii_field;mircea_popescu, jurov: worth looking to see what, if anything, the small-factored ssh keys have in common
1157221;1433778259;mircea_popescu;jurov oh i see. how hard would it be to try for 641 specifically ? then if found try  6700417
1157222;1433778281;jurov;i'm retrying for alll these primes
1157223;1433778289;jurov;already got key id 11201072: factor [2, 17, 43, 47, 373, 443]
1157224;1433778298;jurov;for example
1157225;1433778302;mircea_popescu;aha.
1157226;1433778313;ascii_field;jurov: i suggest hex dump of all of the small-factored moduli
1157227;1433778322;mircea_popescu;well he said he was gonna do a write-up
1157228;1433778323;ascii_field;you are very likely to notice patterns
1157229;1433778343;jurov;yes, i should have all keys fetched in day or two
1157230;1433778352;jurov;(it's running since june 2)
1157231;1433778367;jurov;they have api limit 6000/hour
1157232;1433778381;ascii_field;in related news,
1157233;1433778389;ascii_field;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/165282C95B75F85D6F34183B1B81B1BD242418AF1DFA83A0C71918B30A0511A6 and http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733
1157234;1433778392;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dXUF7V )
1157235;1433778395;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dXUF83 )
1157236;1433779107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00035273 = 8.9241 BTC [+] {2} 
1157237;1433779500;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1157238;1433779512;ascii_field;http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mem_revH2.html << historical interest
1157239;1433779513;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7ctXf )
1157240;1433780162;ascii_field;http://www.visual6502.org/wiki/index.php?title=RCA_1802E << moar re: same.
1157241;1433780163;assbot;RCA 1802E - VisualChips ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuWW6V )
1157242;1433780279;ascii_field;http://home.earthlink.net/~schultdw/1802/datapath << yet moar.
1157243;1433782793;jurov;damn i miscalculated, github has 12m users, not 1.2m
1157244;1433782805;jurov;this will go on for much longer time
1157245;1433783727;punkman;jurov, maybe ask that guy I linked for a bunch of them?
1157246;1433783750;punkman;he was scraping for a year or something
1157247;1433783751;jurov;bunch ot what?
1157248;1433783754;jurov;*of
1157249;1433783759;punkman;github keys
1157250;1433783810;jurov;yes but he wrote there were bad keys, whoich github removed on june 1st
1157251;1433783818;jurov;better have the dataset without them
1157252;1433783859;jurov;what would help, if you generate an api key and give it to me
1157253;1433783865;jurov;so that i can scrape in parallel
1157254;1433783913;jurov;it needs not to have any special permissions, just public access (as selected on the key screen by default)
1157255;1433784163;danielpbarron;so uncheck all the boxes?
1157256;1433784199;jurov;lemme see
1157257;1433784231;danielpbarron;i see a box called "read:public_key"
1157258;1433784315;jurov;try unchecking everything. my works even without "read: public key"
1157259;1433784351;jurov;oh it says "scopes limit access"
1157260;1433784370;jurov;so you should check everything except "read:public_key"
1157261;1433784972;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/jurov.asc.txt
1157262;1433784973;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1hLo5 )
1157263;1433785114;jurov;danielpbarron: thanks, it works
1157264;1433785207;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 312 @ 0.00497048 = 1.5508 BTC [-]
1157265;1433785221;mats;https://github.com/0xAX/linux-insides
1157266;1433785223;assbot;0xAX/linux-insides · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYbXw )
1157267;1433785269;mats;http://v0ids3curity.blogspot.com/2015/06/rebuilding-elf-from-coredump.html
1157268;1433785270;assbot;v0id s3curity: Rebuilding ELF from Coredump ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYkud )
1157269;1433785278;mircea_popescu;hanbot make him one would you.
1157270;1433785307;mats;http://blog.lacklustre.net/posts/BLE_Fun_With_Ubertooth:_Sniffing_Bluetooth_Smart_and_Cracking_Its_Crypto
1157271;1433785308;assbot;BLE Fun With Ubertooth: Sniffing Bluetooth Smart and Cracking Its Crypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1dqYjX6 )
1157272;1433785343;mats;http://reveng.sourceforge.net
1157273;1433785344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1iNRe )
1157274;1433785445;mats;https://soundcloud.com/givemepowers/beat-of-my-drum
1157275;1433785446;assbot;POWERS - Beat Of My Drum by POWERS | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1j46K )
1157276;1433785477;mats;http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33041218
1157277;1433785478;assbot;G7 summit: 125 extra UK military trainers to be sent to Iraq - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1j6eG )
1157278;1433785501;mats;this along with FIFA corruption is apparently top items on the G7 agenda!!!
1157279;1433785848;mats;http://malwaretech.net/MTSBK.pdf 'A Firmware Assisted Bootkit'
1157280;1433785850;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1jREu )
1157281;1433785903;mats;https://www.sstic.org/media/SSTIC2015/SSTIC-actes/hardware_re_for_software_reversers/SSTIC2015-Article-hardware_re_for_software_reversers-czarny_rigo.pdf 'analysis of an encrypted hard drive'
1157282;1433785904;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1jYjz )
1157283;1433785961;mats;was kinda expecting .gr to switch over to the drachma this weekend
1157284;1433786000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00035287 = 14.75 BTC [+]
1157285;1433786109;mircea_popescu;today in mat's security world :D
1157286;1433786507;mats;san diego was nice
1157287;1433786514;mats;pacific beach has black and gold sand o_O
1157288;1433786564;mats;http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-06/08/c_134307754.htm lol
1157289;1433786565;assbot;Facts speak for China's human rights progress - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1dr0U3r )
1157290;1433786676;mircea_popescu;xinhua being the state news agency
1157291;1433786699;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5l5q1pqL51qbk26xo1_500.jpg << facts speak for dark corridors.
1157292;1433786699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dr1aPY )
1157293;1433786782;trinque;chained to a dungeon wall, still bothers to suck in her belly for the shot
1157294;1433786784;trinque;haha
1157295;1433786797;mats;i don't see this news item on the cn side
1157296;1433786801;mats;loled
1157297;1433786833;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the united states of human rights, http://daddyslittleprincessgoddess.tumblr.com/post/35469654103/justsexypics-every-seven-seconds-law
1157298;1433786834;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dr1iPb )
1157299;1433786862;trinque;woah, that tumblr got myspaced
1157300;1433787056;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1157301;1433788684;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00496646 = 3.7248 BTC [-] {5} 
1157302;1433788929;scoopbot_revived;Eulora client Freenode patch http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-client-freenode-patch/
1157303;1433789294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62900 @ 0.00035299 = 22.2031 BTC [+] {2} 
1157304;1433789483;shinohai;Bondage theme? mkay: http://www.restrainedelegance.com/preview/arielsnookertableslavegirl11.jpg
1157305;1433790392;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 356 @ 0.00496483 = 1.7675 BTC [-] {2} 
1157306;1433790453;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 394 @ 0.00495292 = 1.9515 BTC [-] {4} 
1157307;1433790455;hanbot;jurov: http://thewhet.net/han/forjurov.asc.txt
1157308;1433790456;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYEMOQ )
1157309;1433790636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34641 @ 0.00035879 = 12.4288 BTC [+] {2} 
1157310;1433790697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27859 @ 0.00036164 = 10.0749 BTC [+] {2} 
1157311;1433790818;jurov;hanbot thanks!
1157312;1433791116;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1157313;1433791138;asciilifeform;wtf expiring session bullshit
1157314;1433791147;asciilifeform;anyway, http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/1802.txt
1157315;1433791150;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYFSKy )
1157316;1433791362;mats;fun fact: x86 is little endian because it ultimately descends from an architecture that did arithmetic serially, one bit at a time, and handling carries was considered cleaner that way.
1157317;1433792161;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 287 @ 0.00494518 = 1.4193 BTC [-] {5} 
1157318;1433794676;danielpbarron;!up Jef91
1157319;1433794700;Jef91;Thanks danielpbarron
1157320;1433794748;danielpbarron;so if you're interested in that .deb thing, you'll want to talk to mircea_popescu and jurov
1157321;1433794780;Jef91;Building a simple deb package isn't difficult
1157322;1433795017;jurov;ok, i hear you
1157323;1433795128;danielpbarron;Jef91, do you have a gpg key by any chance?
1157324;1433795157;Jef91;danielpbarron, I do not.
1157325;1433795572;danielpbarron;for the clarity of log readers, the .deb thing is regarding eulora, and Jef91 works with bodhi linux
1157326;1433795685;danielpbarron;he offered to list eulora as a "featured item" in their games section, provided it has a .deb installer
1157327;1433795788;jurov;he's fine with ~400M bag that plops itself into /opt?
1157328;1433795806;jurov;and i'm currently set up on ubuntu 14
1157329;1433795869;Jef91;jurov, yea thats fine. That is basically what our libreoffice installers do
1157330;1433795882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00034674 = 13.4882 BTC [-]
1157331;1433796022;jurov;ok. and do you know that new eulora accounts require one to come here, register with gpg and get a rating?
1157332;1433797550;mircea_popescu;hello Jef91
1157333;1433797602;mircea_popescu;!up Petit_Dejeuner
1157334;1433798001;mats;fun fact: OS X has a Lisp interpreter in the kernel.
1157335;1433798051;trinque;mats: wat
1157336;1433798108;mats;trinque: Does not conform to R7RS.
1157337;1433798125;trinque;what's its purpose?
1157338;1433798342;mats;i've no idea. good question.
1157339;1433798384;mats;will query the man responsible for this fun fact (it is not me).
1157340;1433799006;scoopbot_revived;The future of human-machine interfaces. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/08/the-future-of-human-machine-interfaces/
1157341;1433799489;jurov;http://www.coindesk.com/my-life-inside-a-remote-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ Wu Gang Style mining
1157342;1433799489;assbot;My Life Inside a Remote Chinese Bitcoin Mine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXz6vv )
1157343;1433800152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.00034985 = 22.0406 BTC [+] {2} 
1157344;1433801067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40121 @ 0.00036309 = 14.5675 BTC [+] {3} 
1157345;1433801128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62469 @ 0.00036766 = 22.9674 BTC [+]
1157346;1433803457;punkman;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143355112811564&w=2
1157347;1433803459;assbot;'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEqDBQ )
1157348;1433803819;BingoBoingo;"I hope your next mail goes straight to Linus Torvalds.  He is also encouraging people to use the hardware they accidentally bought in exactly the same way!!  The nerve of him."
1157349;1433803827;BingoBoingo;^ God bless Theo
1157350;1433803893;BingoBoingo;"You are quite a persistant idiot.  Find replacement of a firmware that a vendor wrote for their specific undocumented chip; which runs on the custom processor and hardware on the athn USB device?  That runs on the rsu hardware, which is probably some kind of crappy vendor-modified ARM or MIPS or 8085 derived cpu attached to a blob of Verilog logic they designed in their own lab?"
1157351;1433803897;trinque;love the way he handles people
1157352;1433803899;BingoBoingo;^ Theo doing work
1157353;1433803991;punkman;accidentally bought? meh
1157354;1433804006;BingoBoingo;And Theo isn't even the only quality shitlord on that thread: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143357719215507&w=2
1157355;1433804008;assbot;'Re: Blob-free OpenBSD kernel needed' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1cHkkjQ )
1157356;1433804117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25781 @ 0.00036436 = 9.3936 BTC [-] {2} 
1157357;1433804121;shinohai;Evening ASSets report: https://i.imgur.com/Z0j6L9G.jpg
1157358;1433804122;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cHkoQH )
1157359;1433804172;trinque;BingoBoingo: kek
1157360;1433804184;trinque;the redditard has come to expect free software (TM) !!
1157361;1433804215;trinque;hilarious for anyone to be lecturing openbsd on the subj
1157362;1433804260;punkman;https://01.org/zh/linuxgraphics/intel-linux-graphics-firmwares no more open source intel graphics
1157363;1433804605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35191 @ 0.00034561 = 12.1624 BTC [-]
1157364;1433805073;mircea_popescu;heh.
1157365;1433807581;asciilifeform;RIP usable graphics cards.
1157366;1433807850;decimation;asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
1157367;1433807992;decimation;http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos < a defense of templeos
1157368;1433807993;assbot;codersnotes / A Constructive Look At TempleOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ6knm )
1157369;1433808449;trinque;decimation: schizophrenic goes it alone, creates a system far lispier than this gentoo mess I live in
1157370;1433808451;trinque;something sad about that
1157371;1433808499;decimation;well, the idea of executing everything in 'ring 0' is appealing to me
1157372;1433808543;trinque;Every piece of code in TempleOS (except the initial kernel/compiler) is JIT compiled on demand. Yes that’s right – you can run a program without compiling it, simply by using an #include statement from the command line. << I believe this is one of asciilifeform's desirable system features
1157373;1433808545;decimation;the concept of partitioning security zones on a 'c machine' is an excercise in sophistry
1157374;1433808631;trinque;"TempleOS is a motorbike. If you lean over too far, you’ll fall off. Don’t do that." << this guy's awesome.
1157375;1433808795;scoopbot_revived;Ministry of Games: Eulora Enters Public Beta http://qntra.net/2015/06/ministry-of-games-eulora-enters-public-beta/
1157376;1433808814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60134 @ 0.00035592 = 21.4029 BTC [+] {2} 
1157377;1433808876;decimation;http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/02/alex_payne_one_of_twitters_fir.html < this alex payne guy was part of those who joined the anti-yarvin campaign
1157378;1433808877;assbot;Alex Payne, who helped build Twitter, returns to Portland as tech mentor and vegan restaurateur | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ7oaH )
1157379;1433808897;decimation;"While much of Silicon Valley grew enamored of the digital currency Bitcoin as a libertarian alternative to central banks, Payne began consulting with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new federal agency created at the urging of liberal lion Elizabeth Warren."
1157380;1433809180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171150 @ 0.00036788 = 62.9627 BTC [+] {2} 
1157381;1433809929;mircea_popescu;"helped build twitter" whassat.
1157382;1433809948;mircea_popescu;like http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-35.0-35.72
1157383;1433809949;assbot;The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCF2w )
1157384;1433809984;mircea_popescu;and wtf is a "liberal lion" and wtf, warren's roughly speaking a shop clerk. what lion./
1157385;1433810023;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md71g7nlTq1rq6vz1o1_500.gif << liberal kittens.
1157386;1433810025;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCMem )
1157387;1433810095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00036819 = 6.4801 BTC [+] {2} 
1157388;1433811000;BingoBoingo;http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150608/civic-center/jail-doctors-made-man-impotent-by-failing-treat-6-day-erection-lawuit
1157389;1433811002;assbot;Jail Doctors Made Man Impotent by Failing to Treat 6-Day Erection: Lawsuit  - Civic Center - DNAinfo.com New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYGPMP )
1157390;1433812791;trinque;god this payne guy is exactly what's wrong with portland
1157391;1433812901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115319 @ 0.00035027 = 40.3928 BTC [-] {3} 
1157392;1433812940;trinque;fucking communist that took his stumbling into wealth as a sign that being a communist is right (what.. the fuck?), that businesses which something something social good are going to succeed, that the financial considerations are not essential to business but evil!
1157393;1433813026;trinque;at least if he had the spine to be a proper communist I'd have a shred more respect
1157394;1433813058;mats;lies
1157395;1433813080;mats;this place breeds contempt
1157396;1433813123;trinque;mats: actually I produce my own home-grown, free range contempt
1157397;1433813150;mircea_popescu;lol
1157398;1433813159;mats;carry on
1157399;1433813211;mircea_popescu;well trinque... it worked when random ho was telling all the lazy schoolage hos about how the path to oprah richdom is not in school.
1157400;1433813216;mircea_popescu;why should the same not work on bois ?
1157401;1433813223;mircea_popescu;gangsta rap fo' da whitey!
1157402;1433813387;trinque;bleh... BLEH!
1157403;1433813414;*;trinque was raised by stern white men who said "do useful work, improve yourself, don't be a fucking fool"
1157404;1433813431;trinque;seems that all evaporated in the US
1157405;1433813585;ben_vulpes;whadday'all use for desktop environments, if any? i've inserted ubuntu into this mac and now need to make it usable
1157406;1433813600;trinque;ben_vulpes: for who? yourself?
1157407;1433813607;ben_vulpes;myeah
1157408;1433813613;ben_vulpes;should i skip the desktop environment?
1157409;1433813613;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: XFCE is prolly the best stating out option
1157410;1433813615;trinque;could always copy your stump over
1157411;1433813633;BingoBoingo;Or just use a bare windows manager
1157412;1433813634;trinque;yeah xfce's lightweight, the various *box (openbox, fluxbox) ones are also very lightweight
1157413;1433813641;ben_vulpes;myeah i plan to run stump
1157414;1433813652;ben_vulpes;is teh desktop environment even strictly speaking necessary?
1157415;1433813666;BingoBoingo;not really
1157416;1433813684;trinque;my setup is xdm and stumpwm
1157417;1433813710;trinque;BingoBoingo: xdm will read a file called .xsession in your home dir to launch whatever you want
1157418;1433813724;trinque;rather execute, not read
1157419;1433813741;trinque;bash script in there with:    exec /your/wm/binary
1157420;1433813763;BingoBoingo;trinque: Yeah, that's pretty much the standard for setting up anything.
1157421;1433814093;BingoBoingo;!up tsoulus
1157422;1433814096;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard
1157423;1433814105;BingoBoingo;Pierre_Rochard: How goes the shoulder
1157424;1433814158;Pierre_Rochard;it’s out of the sling, starting physical therapy tomorrow
1157425;1433814176;Pierre_Rochard;btw giving my two weeks notice to bitpay tomorrow
1157426;1433814183;Pierre_Rochard;I’m going back to wall street
1157427;1433814184;ben_vulpes;scoop!
1157428;1433814188;ben_vulpes;wow rly
1157429;1433814190;Pierre_Rochard;haha
1157430;1433814208;ben_vulpes;what'd you do in WS?
1157431;1433814212;ben_vulpes;s/in/on
1157432;1433814228;Pierre_Rochard;accountant for new securitization issuances
1157433;1433814264;Pierre_Rochard;this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases
1157434;1433814317;scoopbot_revived;Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/
1157435;1433814382;trinque;Pierre_Rochard: sounds like a vast improvement :p
1157436;1433814415;*;trinque shudders to think of some of the worst abuses of excel spreadsheets he's seen
1157437;1433814433;Pierre_Rochard;trinque: agreed, great role to hone my python skills in
1157438;1433814693;ben_vulpes;Pierre_Rochard: get intimate with the sql
1157439;1433814709;ben_vulpes;trinque likes to bang on about how it was designed as an end-user-programming environment for accountants
1157440;1433814715;trinque;word
1157441;1433814790;trinque;all the questions any account will ever want to ask are able to be expressed as SQL
1157442;1433814811;trinque;worth considering how close you may be able to get the accountant to writing the queries themselves
1157443;1433814849;*;trinque put a great deal of effort into that problem, only to conclude that one should learn to write the damn query directly
1157444;1433814852;Pierre_Rochard;agreed, though I do lean on sqlalchemy a lot, I can write raw sql
1157445;1433814868;Pierre_Rochard;I’d like to just go straight to pl/pgsql at some point
1157446;1433814900;trinque;staying too cozy in python, you'll probably end up reinventing things the db can do better
1157447;1433814919;trinque;consider for example the difference between using a python ORM and raw SQL for an aggregate over some column
1157448;1433814955;trinque;most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
1157449;1433814999;danielpbarron;http://www.trashbagbondage.com/ >> Welcome to Trash Bag Bondage >> We now accept bitcoin
1157450;1433815048;mircea_popescu;<Pierre_Rochard> this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases <<< the virgin goddess weeps.
1157451;1433815091;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157366 << highest performance card where the open driver actually worked (of those still produced)
1157452;1433815091;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 23:57:30; decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance
1157453;1433815141;Pierre_Rochard;trinque: I made that mistake with the first version of pacioli with datetime logic, I’ve pushed all of that logic onto postgres now
1157454;1433815232;trinque;Pierre_Rochard: that said I am under the suspicion that this kind of programming can also be done with CLOS in common lisp
1157455;1433815246;trinque;though I'm not sure yet what that looks like
1157456;1433815252;trinque;asciilifeform: ?
1157457;1433815254;mats;http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/523245.html
1157458;1433815254;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYL0s8 )
1157459;1433815271;mats;>Russian Dies After Eating [Parts of] Tablet Computer to Avoid Police Detention
1157460;1433815285;trinque;not that kind of tablet
1157461;1433815294;trinque;lol
1157462;1433815298;mircea_popescu;they didn't beat him or nottin
1157463;1433815349;asciilifeform;http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/girl-electrocuted-by-tablet-in-bathtub/504561.html << related !
1157464;1433815349;assbot;Girl Electrocuted by Tablet in Bathtub | News | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYLa2H )
1157465;1433815372;*;asciilifeform misread initially as 'girl electrocuted by toilet in bathtub'
1157466;1433815378;trinque;I guess franz, inc has some sort of database over CLOS objects
1157467;1433815399;asciilifeform;trinque: or the open src 'elephant'
1157468;1433815406;asciilifeform;which turns any clos class into a working db
1157469;1433815410;trinque;asciilifeform: very cool
1157470;1433815412;trinque;ty
1157471;1433815420;asciilifeform;it is very finicky but once it works - it works.
1157472;1433815476;trinque;every program I've ever been paid to write was just a glorified db editor
1157473;1433815487;trinque;still looking for the perfect set of tools for that
1157474;1433815490;asciilifeform;trinque: consider new job ?
1157475;1433815497;trinque;pays just fine, why would I/
1157476;1433815517;asciilifeform;at least change gas mask filter frequently.
1157477;1433815518;trinque;I'm under the delusion that I can make suffciently general tools the jobs don't take that long
1157478;1433815520;trinque;lol
1157479;1433815567;ben_vulpes;i'm going to beg a copy of trinque's tools and go murder parts of the economy he's not
1157480;1433815587;trinque;right, that's the fun part
1157481;1433815620;ben_vulpes;i'll work on dirty bits too
1157482;1433815636;*;asciilifeform spent virtually whole day moving logic analyzer probes around.
1157483;1433815657;ben_vulpes;at least you weren't programming?
1157484;1433815668;mircea_popescu;LA still takes programmingm
1157485;1433815671;asciilifeform;no, but i'm waiting for mircea_popescu to wake up and tell me how to do that from across an ocean
1157486;1433815678;asciilifeform;l0l there he is.
1157487;1433815693;mircea_popescu;>D
1157488;1433815735;mircea_popescu;im too busy fucking digging up boulders for crying out loud
1157489;1433815750;asciilifeform;l0lders
1157490;1433815793;mircea_popescu;this is all i ever dreamed of - a mmorpg where i know the owner so all the stupid shit can be shot in the head
1157491;1433815829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 333843 @ 0.00034431 = 114.9455 BTC [-] {4} 
1157492;1433815837;asciilifeform;little did mircea_popescu know that it is not enough to shoot stupid shit in the head, it has to be scattered with trotyl and buries in five separate graves, or will re-assemble
1157493;1433815859;mircea_popescu;i don't mind.
1157494;1433815883;*;mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether anyone ever manages to reverse the magic i put into this thing
1157495;1433815912;asciilifeform;reverse in the sense of building it again somewhere else ?
1157496;1433815939;mircea_popescu;reverse in the sense of descvribing the black box.
1157497;1433815941;asciilifeform;or in the sense of godelizing it to go to some unintended place
1157498;1433815942;asciilifeform;ah
1157499;1433815969;mircea_popescu;it is after all the one problem of the clockwork puzzle. how to make one ?
1157500;1433816016;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github
1157501;1433816018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYMank )
1157502;1433816032;mircea_popescu;is it a collection of tubes ?
1157503;1433816081;mircea_popescu;"e-note" ?
1157504;1433816085;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with these people.
1157505;1433816134;mircea_popescu;in other news, there's 3x as many people reading trilema off a sony playstation than nintendo wii
1157506;1433816137;danielpbarron;the news lady in the background looks baffled
1157507;1433816139;mircea_popescu;i had nfi you could do that.
1157508;1433816167;trinque;wii's got opera on it, dunno bout ps
1157509;1433816198;mircea_popescu;so how do you type ?
1157510;1433816213;danielpbarron;on screen keyboard plus joystick
1157511;1433816220;mircea_popescu;oh
1157512;1433816232;trinque;on the wii you use a mickey mouse finger and your self respect
1157513;1433816261;trinque;I guess the ps browser might be opera too
1157514;1433816300;mircea_popescu;Mr Warren BuffettMon, 4:48 am 4.5 KiB$5 MILLION USD DONATION FROM MR WARREN BUFFETT
1157515;1433816387;mircea_popescu;"I like to re-assure you of the legitimacy of this services as we will not be involved in any fraudulent act and will never be. use the money wisely, we only want to feel good by helping people this time of the year, this is the only thing that makes my wife happy too even now that she is not here with me anymore, we have too much to give away as I only have few months left on earth."
1157516;1433816403;mircea_popescu;apparently one doesn't need to master english to catch the run-on sentences disease.
1157517;1433816572;trinque;well shit I can't argue with pleasing his dead wife
1157518;1433816576;trinque;where do I wire the funds?
1157519;1433816605;mircea_popescu;send em to bill gates.
1157520;1433816646;mircea_popescu;fun fact : search for barren muffett -> Quizás quisiste decir: warren buffett
1157521;1433816731;mircea_popescu;oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"
1157522;1433816805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124850 @ 0.00034191 = 42.6875 BTC [-] {2} 
1157523;1433816883;trinque;I'm sure for humanitarian reasons.
1157524;1433816927;mircea_popescu;speaking of trios, she actually left the guy to be a cabaret dancer in the 70s,
1157525;1433816934;mircea_popescu;then provided a replacement (astrid)
1157526;1433816939;mircea_popescu;the three sorta lived together
1157527;1433816974;mats;did he inspire you to do the same
1157528;1433817024;mircea_popescu;mno
1157529;1433817034;mats;:P
1157530;1433817045;*;mircea_popescu only heard of buffett relatively recently.
1157531;1433817613;decimation;asciilifeform: who killed matrox?
1157532;1433817687;decimation;although all the matrox boards I have used recently were shit
1157533;1433817964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7740 @ 0.00034833 = 2.6961 BTC [+]
1157534;1433818194;decimation;I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
1157535;1433818422;trinque;wait wait
1157536;1433818431;trinque;how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
1157537;1433818483;trinque;well hell, the currency's not worth anything anymore, maybe they are
1157538;1433818493;asciilifeform;decimation: matrox killed itself
1157539;1433818504;asciilifeform;decimation: by turning full-bore winblows-only
1157540;1433818517;asciilifeform;it was once the gold standard of graphics-for-linux
1157541;1433818523;decimation;yeah I remember
1157542;1433818528;*;asciilifeform owned a succession of matrox boards, until this.
1157543;1433818537;decimation;amusingly even modern x86 servers still come with matrox cards
1157544;1433818540;decimation;but they are shit
1157545;1433818554;*;asciilifeform has not encountered or so much as smelled a matrox board for many years
1157546;1433818568;decimation;asciilifeform: they come on both dell & hp rack servers
1157547;1433818575;decimation;as 'standard console'
1157548;1433818622;*;asciilifeform never seen anything but intel graphics in those
1157549;1433818650;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157534 << fuse does exactly nothing in such a case. you were thinking of a 'ground-fault-interrupter'
1157550;1433818650;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse
1157551;1433818671;asciilifeform;(gadget standard in newer bathrooms which senses whether current-in == current-out, and kills circuit if not)
1157552;1433818673;decimation;well, depends on the exact nature of the shock
1157553;1433818688;decimation;was it 5v? or 240v mains?
1157554;1433818688;asciilifeform;btw even these do not always help in the case of 'toaster in bathtub'
1157555;1433818696;asciilifeform;almost certainly mains
1157556;1433818701;asciilifeform;5v doesn't do much in water
1157557;1433818712;decimation;most shit chinese transformers I've come across are direct shorts to neutral
1157558;1433818726;decimation;5v ground short to neutral
1157559;1433818752;trinque;"Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle
1157560;1433818753;decimation;but yes, a gfi would have helped too.  are they not standard in ru?
1157561;1433818960;asciilifeform;decimation: take a guess.
1157562;1433818985;asciilifeform;(they are 'standard' in usa too, but i only touched one with own hands when moved into current house)
1157563;1433819000;decimation;heh yeah
1157564;1433819014;decimation;building codes are a dumbass idea
1157565;1433819056;asciilifeform;americans often piss their pants (or nearly) when travelling abroad to 'orc' world, when they discover what -no- building code looks like
1157566;1433819061;decimation;not because building to standards is dumb, but because it inevitably turns into a racket
1157567;1433819067;asciilifeform;e.g., light switches at whatever height builder felt like placing them
1157568;1433819076;decimation;heh yeah 'concrete box' is sop
1157569;1433819090;asciilifeform;(i have heard of literal pant-pissing when subject could not find light switch in toilet)
1157570;1433819131;decimation;asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?
1157571;1433819139;decimation;orcs can access wikipedia too
1157572;1433819146;asciilifeform;decimation: on a typical day, do you feel like moving a light switch ?
1157573;1433819151;asciilifeform;one that works perfectly
1157574;1433819156;decimation;heh good point
1157575;1433819158;asciilifeform;or are there 1,001 other things to do.
1157576;1433819262;asciilifeform;decimation: not like 'humans' will fix their broken-by-design surroundings. visit a few folks in usa and see how many drilled out the idiot 'water saver' thing from their shower head.
1157577;1433819265;asciilifeform;my guess: none
1157578;1433819280;asciilifeform;ditto the toilet
1157579;1433819304;asciilifeform;(more complicated problem, but most can be transformed into something like a pre-1992 model)
1157580;1433819306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148732 @ 0.00034091 = 50.7042 BTC [-] {3} 
1157581;1433819311;trinque;I tend to be amazed by guys my age that don't own *any* tools
1157582;1433819323;asciilifeform;trinque: wai wat
1157583;1433819354;trinque;at the amazement or the lack of tools
1157584;1433819386;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit
1157585;1433819387;asciilifeform;for non-u.s. folks: picture a toilet that won't flush -anything solid- in less than 3-4 shots
1157586;1433819390;asciilifeform;(if lucky)
1157587;1433819416;decimation;but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?
1157588;1433819428;asciilifeform;decimation: in the worst cases, yes
1157589;1433819436;asciilifeform;but more typically, it is 'set in software'
1157590;1433819442;asciilifeform;that is, by the position of the siphon
1157591;1433819447;decimation;yeah, makes sense
1157592;1433819461;trinque;yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit
1157593;1433819539;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157500 << gotta love the idiots. as if 'git' had no existence outside of 'github'
1157594;1433819539;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 02:13:36; danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github
1157595;1433819607;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157521 << how many did she shoot with own rifle ?
1157596;1433819607;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 02:25:31; mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"
1157597;1433819620;mircea_popescu;women aren't held to.
1157598;1433819634;asciilifeform;fine. how many she ordered shot ?
1157599;1433819644;*;mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't know.
1157600;1433819667;decimation;heh so warren has a harem?
1157601;1433819679;mircea_popescu;but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...
1157602;1433819683;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1157603;1433819695;mircea_popescu;decimation the 70s were 45 years ago.
1157604;1433819716;mircea_popescu;anwyay, off i go. laters all!
1157605;1433819794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00034017 = 16.8554 BTC [-]
1157606;1433819840;decimation;population control was pretty fashionable amoung 70's liberals
1157607;1433819931;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu would you happen to know the name (part #?) of the yugoslavian clone of the cdp1802 ? or (if existed) ro version ?
1157608;1433819931;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1157609;1433819978;decimation;asciilifeform: your history of x86 link was interesting
1157610;1433820062;asciilifeform;decimation: gotta love how the -single worst- cpu of the '80s is still with us.
1157611;1433820074;asciilifeform;(one of the best, z80, is -also- still with us. in current production, by the millions.)
1157612;1433820080;decimation;heh yeah
1157613;1433820100;asciilifeform;you can even get pin-compatible with the classical dip-40 package.
1157614;1433820106;asciilifeform;~5 usd.
1157615;1433820177;decimation;asciilifeform: how much does that space qualified ancient cpu cost?
1157616;1433820187;asciilifeform;decimation: depends where
1157617;1433820197;asciilifeform;decimation: old-new stock on 'ebay' - 2-3 usd.
1157618;1433820207;asciilifeform;brand-new from 'intersil' - somewhere south of 200
1157619;1433820221;asciilifeform;(but will they ship to a plebe? satan only knows)
1157620;1433820247;decimation;heh, maybe if you a plebe in the us
1157621;1433820249;asciilifeform;if you want it, straight to ebay
1157622;1433820254;asciilifeform;where there are sealed tubes still for sale
1157623;1433820258;asciilifeform;enough to last your whole life
1157624;1433820277;asciilifeform;and to equip an entire space fleet
1157625;1433820348;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 << example circuit for it. (cdp1802)
1157626;1433820350;assbot;Loper OS » MicroWriter Redux. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnhfBi )
1157627;1433820357;asciilifeform;it's the fat bugger in the middle
1157628;1433820359;asciilifeform;(dip-40)
1157629;1433820361;decimation;asciilifeform: related: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/2015/20150530-lightsail-phones-home.html
1157630;1433820363;assbot;Contact! LightSail Phones Home after 8-Day Silence | The Planetary Society ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnhi0e )
1157631;1433820380;decimation;heh the cy enfield keyboard
1157632;1433820412;decimation;apparently the 'new cool kids' couldn't be bothered to write decent software or use rad hard cpu
1157633;1433820443;asciilifeform;decimation: endfield didn't pick it because rad-hard, but because was cheap and had very interesting (read: efficient) instruction set
1157634;1433820464;decimation;yeah I'm sure he didn't use space qualified
1157635;1433820471;asciilifeform;it beat the shit out of its contemporaries (z80, 6502) for instruction-compactness
1157636;1433820482;asciilifeform;the basic model was actually 'spacey'
1157637;1433820500;asciilifeform;(later it sold as si-on-sapphire for added 'spaciness')
1157638;1433820534;decimation;if I were launching a satellite I would sure as hell rather have time-proven parts
1157639;1433820535;asciilifeform;thing had huge transistors, and only around 5,000 of them
1157640;1433820550;decimation;at least for the command/control peices
1157641;1433820585;decimation;write in forth if assembly is too much
1157642;1433820587;asciilifeform;for many years i have searched for a period example of 'voting circuit'
1157643;1433820594;asciilifeform;which 1802 etc. was surely used in
1157644;1433820600;asciilifeform;but never found this
1157645;1433820601;decimation;'tandem cpus'?
1157646;1433820602;asciilifeform;aha
1157647;1433820635;asciilifeform;at one point i toyed with the idea of building a 'wallet' with one.
1157648;1433820648;asciilifeform;long ago.
1157649;1433820732;decimation;yeah that's what you would want
1157650;1433820769;asciilifeform;'a sapper errs once' (tm)
1157651;1433820814;decimation;maybe intel will get around to releasing a cpu that uses cores for error checking rather than extra derpage
1157652;1433820842;asciilifeform;intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.
1157653;1433820892;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see that nxp bought freescale
1157654;1433820898;asciilifeform;aha
1157655;1433820905;*;asciilifeform was not moved to emotion by this
1157656;1433820907;decimation;soon all we will have is intelroloa
1157657;1433820922;decimation;usg dept. of chips
1157658;1433820936;asciilifeform;the grand finale will be the intel-arm merger
1157659;1433820957;asciilifeform;(arm is de-facto microshit to intel as present-day ibm)
1157660;1433821019;asciilifeform;it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
1157661;1433821043;asciilifeform;e.g., ussr had, in fact, a great many independent (in the administrative -and- engineering sense) manufacturers of various things
1157662;1433821065;asciilifeform;nominally under the boot of 'gosplan' but factually own animals
1157663;1433821081;asciilifeform;whereas there is not, nor can there be, an independent maker of, e.g., cpu, in the nato blok
1157664;1433821126;decimation;asciilifeform: actually what's amusing is that usg has many similar competing departments
1157665;1433821130;asciilifeform;e.g., i have found at least five entirely separate sov. clones of z80
1157666;1433821148;asciilifeform;designed by different people, produced in entirely different places, with different processes
1157667;1433821148;decimation;none of them make stuff themselves though
1157668;1433821183;asciilifeform;some were not even clones in the traditional sense, but legit reimplementations
1157669;1433821224;asciilifeform;iirc the sov. single-chip pdp11 (famous in 'bk-0010' microcomputer) appeared before there was such a thing in the west
1157670;1433821257;decimation;the msp430 is kinda like the pdp11
1157671;1433821258;asciilifeform;my elder brother, like millions of kids, learned on it
1157672;1433821276;asciilifeform;decimation: only in the loose sense where 'commodore amiga' is like pdp
1157673;1433821380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.0003431 = 22.3015 BTC [+]
1157674;1433821397;decimation;actually germany has a somewhat independent chip manufacturing plants
1157675;1433821406;asciilifeform;had?
1157676;1433821409;decimation;somehow they don't produce different designs though
1157677;1433821416;asciilifeform;plenty of good stuff made in gdr
1157678;1433821454;decimation;heh yeah ddr was the silicon valley of su
1157679;1433821502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.0003431 = 12.0771 BTC [+]
1157680;1433821785;decimation;the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
1157681;1433821808;decimation;every weekend in baltimore several people catch a bullet, nobody gives a shit
1157682;1433821869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57524 @ 0.00034834 = 20.0379 BTC [+] {2} 
1157683;1433821990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00035356 = 23.335 BTC [+]
1157684;1433822600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00036219 = 2.0464 BTC [+]
1157685;1433823332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6280 @ 0.00036498 = 2.2921 BTC [+]
1157686;1433823820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00036661 = 23.6097 BTC [+] {2} 
1157687;1433824796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96000 @ 0.00036498 = 35.0381 BTC [-]
1157688;1433824979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91834 @ 0.00036498 = 33.5176 BTC [-]
1157689;1433826687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67011 @ 0.00036498 = 24.4577 BTC [-]
1157690;1433826749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5076 @ 0.00036498 = 1.8526 BTC [-]
1157691;1433827297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9030 @ 0.00036498 = 3.2958 BTC [-]
1157692;1433827419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172257 @ 0.00036218 = 62.388 BTC [-] {2} 
1157693;1433827968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 403050 @ 0.00036975 = 149.0277 BTC [+] {6} 
1157694;1433830530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74250 @ 0.00036759 = 27.2936 BTC [-]
1157695;1433830713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145000 @ 0.00037201 = 53.9415 BTC [+] {2} 
1157696;1433831689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100450 @ 0.00037303 = 37.4709 BTC [+] {3} 
1157697;1433833153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185802 @ 0.00036244 = 67.3421 BTC [-] {3} 
1157698;1433835598;punkman;https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/
1157699;1433835599;assbot;Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYktrH )
1157700;1433837262;davout;!s mod6 gentoo guide
1157701;1433837263;assbot;9 results for 'mod6 gentoo guide' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+gentoo+guide
1157702;1433837423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159987 @ 0.00037112 = 59.3744 BTC [+] {2} 
1157703;1433837606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146000 @ 0.00037311 = 54.4741 BTC [+] {2} 
1157704;1433838338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138200 @ 0.00036427 = 50.3421 BTC [-] {2} 
1157705;1433838610;punkman;!up vexual
1157706;1433838643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89253 @ 0.00036723 = 32.7764 BTC [+]
1157707;1433838654;vexual;thanks punk
1157708;1433838716;vexual;whats greece liek for the man on the street now?
1157709;1433838866;vexual;i imagine everyones calm until one cunt throws an orange
1157710;1433838895;punkman;I wouldn't know, looks like business as usual from my pov
1157711;1433838969;vexual;no paycut for punkman eh?
1157712;1433838984;punkman;I imagine things are more tense in Athens, but haven't been in that shithole for a while now
1157713;1433838992;vexual;lol
1157714;1433839002;vexual;ive never been
1157715;1433839016;punkman;punkman doesn't do business in Greece
1157716;1433839126;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1157717;1433839130;gribble;Current Blocks: 360123 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 740 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49249529780.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.48803
1157718;1433839225;vexual;whats 3 pc in peta?
1157719;1433839253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47626 @ 0.00037375 = 17.8002 BTC [+] {2} 
1157720;1433839309;vexual;circa 1?
1157721;1433839325;vexual;thats a guess
1157722;1433839385;vexual;24 moons either way im prolly right
1157723;1433839427;punkman;that's 3 percent in difficulty not hashes
1157724;1433839436;vexual;yes
1157725;1433839459;vexual;how much hash does it take to move it 3pc
1157726;1433839628;vexual;the consesnus is a guess at the hash
1157727;1433839636;punkman;https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
1157728;1433839637;assbot;Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZyX3C )
1157729;1433839667;vexual;curlys for sale
1157730;1433839863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00037383 = 25.6821 BTC [+] {2} 
1157731;1433840290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00037398 = 27.1136 BTC [+]
1157732;1433840406;vexual;hola bb
1157733;1433840756;cazalla;evening
1157734;1433840817;BingoBoingo;Hi
1157735;1433840900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00037456 = 8.952 BTC [+] {2} 
1157736;1433841327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154250 @ 0.00037507 = 57.8545 BTC [+] {2} 
1157737;1433841496;BingoBoingo;!up gmaxwell
1157738;1433841501;BingoBoingo;!up kyuupichan
1157739;1433841570;shinohai;"If you don't like it, find another project" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w&feature=youtu.be&t=1672
1157740;1433841571;assbot;CoinScrum: QA with Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZNexn )
1157741;1433841579;shinohai;mkay
1157742;1433842348;BingoBoingo;shinohai: What's the tldr; on the context?
1157743;1433842402;shinohai;tl;dr If you need "another project" to work, join #b-a!
1157744;1433842487;shinohai;;;ticker
1157745;1433842489;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.58, Best ask: 230.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 230.59, 24 hour volume: 28639.34531439, 24 hour low: 225.07, 24 hour high: 232.07, 24 hour vwap: None
1157746;1433842725;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1157747;1433842729;gribble;Current Blocks: 360129 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 734 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49250775280.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.49065
1157748;1433842791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29970 @ 0.00036723 = 11.0059 BTC [-]
1157749;1433843096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73308 @ 0.00035592 = 26.0918 BTC [-] {2} 
1157750;1433843157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50792 @ 0.0003539 = 17.9753 BTC [-]
1157751;1433843906;punkman;shinohai: hah, good one
1157752;1433844623;jurov;;;calc 750/12
1157753;1433844623;gribble;62.5
1157754;1433844654;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157536 << if each chump is worth $62.5 on average
1157755;1433844654;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 02:53:51; trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil
1157756;1433845292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0003539 = 3.8865 BTC [-]
1157757;1433845353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90790 @ 0.0003583 = 32.5301 BTC [+] {2} 
1157758;1433845597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58915 @ 0.00036457 = 21.4786 BTC [+]
1157759;1433846214;wyrdmantis;any thoughts on this? --> https://youtu.be/zbp412zFsto
1157760;1433846215;assbot;양�암호�리, QKD, 야�? No! 양�!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T8Dvo4 )
1157761;1433849148;shinohai;http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/10/japanese-hacker-sends-police-on-chase-to-find-cat-with-computer-virus-strapped-to-collar-encrypts-clues-with-final-fantasy-language/
1157762;1433849505;funkenstein_;looks to me like pure theatre
1157763;1433850014;funkenstein_;if there really are "many ways to discover the private keys", then there are necessarily many ways to discover the message sent, no matter how it was encrypted and keys distributed
1157764;1433850721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111168 @ 0.00037062 = 41.2011 BTC [+]
1157765;1433852510;mircea_popescu;there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
1157766;1433852532;mircea_popescu;iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics
1157767;1433852535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^
1157768;1433852613;mircea_popescu;http://www.cpushack.com/gallery-1/mmn/mmn80cpu-2591/ << confirmed for correct visual.
1157769;1433852616;assbot;MMN80CPU 2591 | The CPU Shack Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZVxcf )
1157770;1433853893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00035899 = 53.0228 BTC [-]
1157771;1433854740;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157652 << good choice, gold's a govt scam anyway
1157772;1433854740;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 03:34:02; asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.
1157773;1433854780;mircea_popescu;amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
1157774;1433854809;mircea_popescu;the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???
1157775;1433854899;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157660 << fnargl problem. the soviet politbureau was secure. the usg "feminists" are not.
1157776;1433854899;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov
1157777;1433854991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00035814 = 41.5442 BTC [-] {2} 
1157778;1433855036;mircea_popescu;$ curl https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/
1157779;1433855037;assbot;Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBQoUT )
1157780;1433855037;mircea_popescu;curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443
1157781;1433855041;mircea_popescu;this bodes well for them.
1157782;1433855086;mircea_popescu;but anyway, For additional background on Blockstream’s founding values, read “Blockstream: A Champion of Bitcoin’s Core Values.”  ?! "press@blockstream.com" ?!
1157783;1433855089;mircea_popescu;dudes, lay off seriously.
1157784;1433855094;mircea_popescu;everyone's a perianne boring now ?
1157785;1433855220;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157762 <<< mmyeah.
1157786;1433855220;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre
1157787;1433855265;mircea_popescu;i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.
1157788;1433855277;mircea_popescu;ahh how your blood will flow, old whore.
1157789;1433855473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D
1157790;1433855474;assbot;Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBR8JI )
1157791;1433855660;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157448 <<< no sane orm would do that
1157792;1433855660;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate
1157793;1433855717;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure i have seen this
1157794;1433855775;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157789 << some serious magic!
1157795;1433855775;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 13:11:13; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D
1157796;1433855782;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1157797;1433855792;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157765 << that's a z80! not a cdp1802.
1157798;1433855792;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")
1157799;1433855795;mircea_popescu;and in the breakfast cereal today, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maz4dlgoVF1r3iafjo1_500.gif
1157800;1433855796;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHajR )
1157801;1433855820;asciilifeform;-everybody- had a z80.
1157802;1433855824;asciilifeform;i bet zimbabwe had one.
1157803;1433855826;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1802
1157804;1433855835;mircea_popescu;yes, they did, romanian friendship :D
1157805;1433855843;mircea_popescu;ceausescu dude was nuts about africa.
1157806;1433855874;asciilifeform;and cn
1157807;1433855896;asciilifeform;phun phakt: my parents still have chinese towels father bought in ro in '80s
1157808;1433855903;mircea_popescu;lol
1157809;1433855967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143800 @ 0.00036461 = 52.4309 BTC [+] {2} 
1157810;1433855998;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3345E99D51E56537F74CE146536E40351169B4683A79EE61CC1A5042861E630
1157811;1433856002;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHA9M )
1157812;1433856004;asciilifeform;(where the hell is that ticker?)
1157813;1433856030;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, i dun think romania actually ever made that.
1157814;1433856041;asciilifeform;1802?
1157815;1433856047;asciilifeform;i only know of a yugo version
1157816;1433856054;asciilifeform;(and three or four american)
1157817;1433856081;mircea_popescu;yeah memory doth not bring up anything.
1157818;1433856120;mircea_popescu;"Karen Bender" is not a bad name by the way
1157819;1433856143;asciilifeform;'i am bender, please insert girder' (tm) (r) ('futurama')
1157820;1433856154;mircea_popescu;lol
1157821;1433856180;asciilifeform;https://github.com/asciilifeform/CyEmu/tree/master/emu << my ancient and very bad 1802
1157822;1433856181;assbot;CyEmu/emu at master · asciilifeform/CyEmu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHU8y )
1157823;1433856226;asciilifeform;thing was famous for, among other things, 'sex' instruction
1157824;1433856261;BingoBoingo;OMG a self replicating processor?
1157825;1433856270;asciilifeform;l0l
1157826;1433856299;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no it was morel ike http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb7fz1QLnr1rtxn3oo1_400.gif
1157827;1433856302;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSGmX )
1157828;1433856304;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo i think would like this chip
1157829;1433856314;asciilifeform;phun phakt: you can still buy a toy computer with it: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/memship.html
1157830;1433856316;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSHap )
1157831;1433856322;asciilifeform;yes, with togglers.
1157832;1433856331;asciilifeform;http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mema_2.jpg
1157833;1433856332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSKTw )
1157834;1433856364;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.
1157835;1433856368;mircea_popescu;imagine a 1802 valgrind
1157836;1433856377;asciilifeform;you do it... with your hands
1157837;1433856394;mircea_popescu;yeah, shiva must be this tall to pass.
1157838;1433856402;asciilifeform;afaik there was never a compiler for it (you could trivially port sdcc etc. but... why)
1157839;1433856413;asciilifeform;shivas only, yes.
1157840;1433856417;mircea_popescu;mel1802
1157841;1433856417;BingoBoingo;I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?
1157842;1433856439;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the reason they're 100 bucks a pop is ~ that nobody wants em
1157843;1433856443;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: buy a bag of 5,000 FETs. that there's yer phoundry.
1157844;1433856467;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually there are plenty of folks who want. but they go to 'ebay' or 1,001 other places where they're a buck or so
1157845;1433856477;mircea_popescu;aha.
1157846;1433856507;asciilifeform;sorta like 'pogo'
1157847;1433856519;asciilifeform;in that if you were to wish for a crate of 10,000 in one pop, there would be supply problems.
1157848;1433856522;mircea_popescu;but with less baseline demand
1157849;1433856604;BingoBoingo;Can a bag of FETs make one that's run bitcoind fast?
1157850;1433856614;asciilifeform;thing lasts virtually forever. on account of the chemistry of the process, it laughed at power supply noise that would nuke any other cpu
1157851;1433856685;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fast enough to keep up with blocks? possibly
1157852;1433856697;BingoBoingo;Interesting.
1157853;1433856708;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you'd have to bake something which can address >64k though
1157854;1433856710;BingoBoingo;Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast
1157855;1433856743;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.
1157856;1433856757;mircea_popescu;"if it can't sync it can't really be used seriously" makes a whole lotta sense.
1157857;1433856774;asciilifeform;me, i just want something that'd sign a tx, while using no iron made after i was born
1157858;1433856803;mircea_popescu;do you also want something that's warm and slippery while using no cells made after you were born ?
1157859;1433856821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205887 @ 0.00035606 = 73.3081 BTC [-] {3} 
1157860;1433856822;asciilifeform;got one of these already
1157861;1433856887;mircea_popescu;cells only last ~7 years you know.
1157862;1433856892;asciilifeform;sure.
1157863;1433856896;asciilifeform;speaking very loosely.
1157864;1433856903;mircea_popescu;if you're speaking that loosely...
1157865;1433856906;mircea_popescu;what are you even saying ?
1157866;1433856926;*;asciilifeform still half asleep
1157867;1433856959;nubbins`;hi
1157868;1433856968;nubbins`;so i finally got my printer straightened out.
1157869;1433856975;asciilifeform;it was bent ?
1157870;1433856980;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1157871;1433856981;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15HYF6W.txt )
1157872;1433856985;nubbins`;heh. figuratively, yes
1157873;1433856996;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?
1157874;1433857000;mircea_popescu;;;tells
1157875;1433857001;gribble;Error: "tells" is not a valid command.
1157876;1433857003;nubbins`;ah yes the booky-wook
1157877;1433857011;nubbins`;is this a serial we're talking about?
1157878;1433857038;asciilifeform;'Good luck with that buckeroo.  Looking forward to your complete rewrite of the Broadcom NetXtreme II 10/100/Gigabit firmware, by the way.  There are about 25 versions of this product, and they have 4-6 MIPS 64-bit cpus running different firmwares on them. Total size, around 260K.  It's like a bunch of independent operating systems running on propriety hardware!' << this is endemic and getting worse by the minute
1157879;1433857039;mircea_popescu;i was thinking ima publish episodes on trilema an' then the whole thing
1157880;1433857046;jurov;nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer
1157881;1433857048;nubbins`;ah, an anthology as it were
1157882;1433857053;nubbins`;jurov STFU
1157883;1433857063;nubbins`;go ahead and try to delete a line from my log
1157884;1433857068;nubbins`;you'll need scissors and tape
1157885;1433857087;mircea_popescu;is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?
1157886;1433857089;BingoBoingo;Or a zippo
1157887;1433857090;jurov;fire will do
1157888;1433857103;BingoBoingo;Or humidity and time
1157889;1433857107;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me
1157890;1433857135;mircea_popescu;yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"
1157891;1433857140;nubbins`;anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.
1157892;1433857141;mircea_popescu;im so fucking sick of proles.
1157893;1433857143;nubbins`;try this a couple more times.
1157894;1433857151;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i like to pipe logs to thermal printer. (think 'cash register'). astonishingly fire-resistant, but does fade with time
1157895;1433857156;nubbins`;turns out i was popping the fuckin ribbon out of the thing while inserting.
1157896;1433857183;nubbins`;asciilifeform this is still a major use of dot matrix printers
1157897;1433857198;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.
1157898;1433857199;nubbins`;wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?
1157899;1433857200;nubbins`;o.O
1157900;1433857210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: un minimo respeto por el trabajador! (TM) (R)
1157901;1433857214;mircea_popescu;fire retarded more like it
1157902;1433857217;nubbins`;^
1157903;1433857227;nubbins`;funny thing is, i figured it was a lost cause
1157904;1433857228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're giving me spots on the spleen.
1157905;1433857228;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha. very annoying when burning otp
1157906;1433857239;nubbins`;so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing
1157907;1433857244;asciilifeform;(what, not everyone prints one time pads on thermal paper ?)
1157908;1433857252;nubbins`;then shrugged and decided not to cancel the order
1157909;1433857255;nubbins`;because HEY
1157910;1433857262;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/to-land-syngenta-monsanto-offers-to-change-name-incorporate-in/article_da79bf37-0ccd-5dcd-aeb7-074e1e71fef1.html
1157911;1433857263;assbot;To land Syngenta, Monsanto offers to change name, incorporate in U.K. : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUo7T )
1157912;1433857263;nubbins`;why run two printers when you can run three?
1157913;1433857263;mircea_popescu;which is good because it won't work anyway.
1157914;1433857271;nubbins`;heh
1157915;1433857278;nubbins`;mp actually these epsons are workhorses
1157916;1433857283;nubbins`;10/10 would/did buy again
1157917;1433857312;asciilifeform;'instead of printer, package contained bobcat. a++, would buy again' (tm)
1157918;1433857316;nubbins`;haha
1157919;1433857332;mircea_popescu;"her name was sheila"
1157920;1433857341;mircea_popescu;"she was from odessa"
1157921;1433857347;nubbins`;"but you can call her bob"
1157922;1433857357;nubbins`;"she'll do things to your knob"
1157923;1433857358;asciilifeform;https://xkcd.com/325
1157924;1433857359;assbot;xkcd: A-Minus-Minus ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUBb0 )
1157925;1433857368;asciilifeform;^ a little different from what i remembered
1157926;1433857396;nubbins`;so were the 80s
1157927;1433857447;nubbins`;also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer
1157928;1433857475;nubbins`;protip: if you can't service your printer yourself, buy a new one when it breaks
1157929;1433857481;asciilifeform;nubbins`: was this that same printer where you ran a hose into the ink tank instead of swapping out cartridges ?
1157930;1433857486;nubbins`;yes sir.
1157931;1433857501;nubbins`;https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm
1157932;1433857503;assbot;.:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUQ5U )
1157933;1433857512;nubbins`;^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard
1157934;1433857523;nubbins`;incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out
1157935;1433857535;*;asciilifeform used to do something quite like this with laser printer. it being, drill hole in cartridge, funnel, toner tanks from old xerox in office park dumpsters
1157936;1433857537;asciilifeform;sorta worked
1157937;1433857542;nubbins`;nod
1157938;1433857548;nubbins`;i pay $25usd for 17oz of ink
1157939;1433857573;asciilifeform;but eventually learned 1) toner comes in various granularities 2) is a real bitch to clean up, on account of 3) goes straight through a vacuum cleaner
1157940;1433857617;mircea_popescu;the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.
1157941;1433857633;mircea_popescu;the granules themselves are more or less engineered to clog competing heads.
1157942;1433857643;asciilifeform;heads?!
1157943;1433857667;asciilifeform;'toner' in laser printer is pulverized plastic
1157944;1433857692;asciilifeform;it is picked up by a rubber roller and deposited on selenium drum electrostatically
1157945;1433857699;nubbins`;^
1157946;1433857716;nubbins`;inkjets have heads
1157947;1433857731;nubbins`;and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out
1157948;1433857736;asciilifeform;now, if 'wrong' granule size, or melting point, life of printer owner does become 'interesting'
1157949;1433857757;mircea_popescu;whatever you call them
1157950;1433857765;mircea_popescu;how do you call the "part which does the printing" in a printer ?
1157951;1433857767;*;asciilifeform does not like liquid printers
1157952;1433857794;nubbins`;mircea_popescu depends on the type of printer. in an inkjet it's a printhead
1157953;1433857799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the printing per se worked. but sometimes the plastic would come right off the page when you fondled it.
1157954;1433857809;nubbins`;a laser printer is closer to a lithograph than anything else
1157955;1433857826;nubbins`;https://www.dropbox.com/s/sux12zfhww2dyun/TEST-PAGE.svg?dl=0
1157956;1433857829;assbot;Dropbox - TEST-PAGE.svg ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBVu3l )
1157957;1433857855;nubbins`;^ for a 6-tank printer like mine
1157958;1433857871;nubbins`;asciilifeform my cost per page is prolly lower than yours
1157959;1433857875;nubbins`;altho TBF
1157960;1433857885;nubbins`;inkjets are way, waaaaaaaaaaay slower than laser
1157961;1433857893;nubbins`;and given that i doubt you do much fine art printing...
1157962;1433857937;*;asciilifeform like a fool, picked up a surplus colour laser printer a couplea weeks ago. twentybux or so
1157963;1433857958;asciilifeform;it works, but leads to decadence 'hmm, this code ought to have syntax colouring, let's print that'
1157964;1433857969;nubbins`;heh.
1157965;1433857986;nubbins`;"toner low in following cartridges: C (cyan). Y (yellow). M (magenta)."
1157966;1433857987;asciilifeform;and eventually will have to be thrown out and bought again - who wants to buy four colours of toner
1157967;1433857996;nubbins`;i buy off-brand toner
1157968;1433858000;nubbins`;123inkcartridges.ca
1157969;1433858013;*;nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour
1157970;1433858014;asciilifeform;nubbins`: in the colour laser, the expensive proprietary crud is the 'transfer belt'
1157971;1433858025;asciilifeform;for which no chinese version, afaik, exists
1157972;1433858032;nubbins`;is that separate from the drum unit?
1157973;1433858035;asciilifeform;aha
1157974;1433858044;*;nubbins` has replaced 1 drum
1157975;1433858047;asciilifeform;a kind of conveyor, page-width, made from unobtainium
1157976;1433858065;mircea_popescu;it's just plastic!
1157977;1433858074;nubbins`;oh, wait, right
1157978;1433858077;nubbins`;mine's white.
1157979;1433858079;mircea_popescu;:D
1157980;1433858081;nubbins`;runs under all the drums?
1157981;1433858090;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha
1157982;1433858092;nubbins`;those have a life?!
1157983;1433858101;asciilifeform;nubbins`: turns out, they do.
1157984;1433858106;nubbins`;wow
1157985;1433858107;mircea_popescu;insert girder.
1157986;1433858119;asciilifeform;hence how colour laser printer ends up sold 'per pound' as surplus scrap
1157987;1433858122;*;nubbins` has published novels on his laser printers, no belt replacement
1157988;1433858129;nubbins`;(yet)
1157989;1433858140;asciilifeform;nubbins`: these are found only in colour laser
1157990;1433858156;nubbins`;ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one
1157991;1433858164;asciilifeform;nubbins`: does yours have the evil usg yellow dots ?
1157992;1433858171;nubbins`;i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser
1157993;1433858175;nubbins`;asciilifeform no idea / who cares
1157994;1433858178;asciilifeform;http://seeingyellow.com
1157995;1433858179;assbot;Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWbto )
1157996;1433858185;nubbins`;heard of em
1157997;1433858194;nubbins`;but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway
1157998;1433858199;nubbins`;(hypothetically)
1157999;1433858206;asciilifeform;interesting mainly on account of 'usg gets to slip code blobs into consumer appliances' thing
1158000;1433858218;nubbins`;SWIM hypothetically did this in their youth for a while
1158001;1433858240;asciilifeform;l0l
1158002;1433858275;asciilifeform;medieval counterfeiters, famously, got to drink molten lead (or sometimes, for showmanship, gold...) when caught. modern ones will one day be drowned in buckets of inkjet ?
1158003;1433858282;nubbins`;imagine passing off some of this strange to a cashier, and while you're waiting for your food, guy behind you in line receives some as change
1158004;1433858285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00035828 = 41.668 BTC [+] {2} 
1158005;1433858290;nubbins`;asciilifeform too expensive!
1158006;1433858293;nubbins`;$5-8k/gallon
1158007;1433858303;nubbins`;altho i guess they'd buy the bulk stuff huh.
1158008;1433858378;asciilifeform;speaking of counterfeiters, i once read a fascinating bio paper where folks determined the actual cause of death of 'drink molten lead'
1158009;1433858387;asciilifeform;by testing with cattle carcass
1158010;1433858402;asciilifeform;turned out, it's almost certainly steam inhalation
1158011;1433858409;asciilifeform;(from own flesh boiling)
1158012;1433858427;asciilifeform;there were some good photos of resulting 'castings' also.
1158013;1433858442;asciilifeform;i often wonder if any period 'castings' of this kind have been turned up by archaeologists.
1158014;1433858463;kakobrekla;urlpls
1158015;1433858484;*;asciilifeform unfortunately lacking the link. if anyone turns it up, plz post.
1158016;1433858565;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157680 << wai wat. which prisoners
1158017;1433858565;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing
1158018;1433858636;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157773 << hey, they did retrofit the price control mechanism (buterin's waterfall) from gold
1158019;1433858636;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."
1158020;1433858658;mircea_popescu;except that only works on idiots.
1158021;1433858667;mircea_popescu;the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.
1158022;1433858678;mircea_popescu;which is why the incensed bitching.
1158023;1433858709;asciilifeform;the waterfall also works on everyone. but is expensive to maintain, yes
1158024;1433858766;mircea_popescu;no baby, iot does NOPT work on everyone.
1158025;1433858780;mircea_popescu;soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.
1158026;1433858788;mircea_popescu;i LOVE!!11 the fact that they're giving me free money this way
1158027;1433858796;mircea_popescu;and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.
1158028;1433858815;mircea_popescu;actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.
1158029;1433858833;asciilifeform;well, on one hand, mircea_popescu gets to pick up cheap coin. but on other, can't buy spare reactor for dirigible for 1 btc
1158030;1433858840;mircea_popescu;there ~IS~ a reason they switched from trying that to trying gavincoin last year.
1158031;1433858925;asciilifeform;in as far as i can surmise, the 'dept. of accumulating btc for the lizard throne' and 'dept. of breaking btc because wtf 111' co-exist
1158032;1433858943;mircea_popescu;now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?
1158033;1433858958;mircea_popescu;who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?
1158034;1433858970;asciilifeform;the thing which boggles my mind is, why not yet
1158035;1433858978;mircea_popescu;because reasons.
1158036;1433858982;asciilifeform;what, precisely, keeps the schmuck from twiddling the constant -now-
1158037;1433858997;mircea_popescu;always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.
1158038;1433859004;mircea_popescu;think about a world where interaction were undelayed.
1158039;1433859011;asciilifeform;what, the filipinos have to grunt out precisely 1GB of forum commentz ?
1158040;1433859037;asciilifeform;'time is for keeping all things from happening at once' (tm) (r)
1158041;1433859046;mircea_popescu;what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?
1158042;1433859054;mircea_popescu;what, the electrons have to spin 1billion times ?
1158043;1433859079;asciilifeform;l0l
1158044;1433859090;asciilifeform;(all things have inertial mass, is the proximate cause)
1158045;1433859107;mircea_popescu;not even.
1158046;1433859121;mircea_popescu;inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing
1158047;1433859202;asciilifeform;btw i fully expect to see the classical bitcoin net under organized crap flood in near future.
1158048;1433859212;mircea_popescu;as in... last week ?
1158049;1433859212;mircea_popescu;doh.
1158050;1433859217;asciilifeform;(with gavincoin pushes as 'elixir' naturally)
1158051;1433859228;mircea_popescu;kinda why the scoring nodes are important
1158052;1433859233;asciilifeform;why do you suppose i took precious time to run the orphans experiment
1158053;1433859242;mircea_popescu;aha.
1158054;1433859277;nubbins`;how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"
1158055;1433859285;nubbins`;people are gonna be really surprised some day
1158056;1433859292;mircea_popescu;and the thing that keeps schmuck is, the thing that keeps all schmucks. fear.
1158057;1433859299;asciilifeform;nubbins`: do you recall my experiment where we estimated how many living nodes ?
1158058;1433859309;nubbins`;the experiment but not the results
1158059;1433859317;asciilifeform;results were depressing
1158060;1433859363;nubbins`;<6k
1158061;1433859364;nubbins`;?
1158062;1433859371;asciilifeform;<60
1158063;1433859375;nubbins`;:o
1158064;1433859380;nubbins`;how'd bitnodes find so many?
1158065;1433859397;asciilifeform;by counting turdation crud as 'node' ?
1158066;1433859401;mircea_popescu;this of course is in the logs
1158067;1433859428;asciilifeform;it is on therealbitcoin ml
1158068;1433859429;mircea_popescu;nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.
1158069;1433859460;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html
1158070;1433859462;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOz73n )
1158071;1433859469;asciilifeform;and i think we had more on this in log, yes
1158072;1433859470;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004253 <
1158073;1433859470;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:03; mircea_popescu: and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.
1158074;1433859479;asciilifeform;^
1158075;1433859538;nubbins`;right yeah
1158076;1433859539;asciilifeform;https://github.com/basil00/PseudoNode << obligatory. also in log
1158077;1433859540;assbot;basil00/PseudoNode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzmeO )
1158078;1433859542;nubbins`;i remember being terrified at the time
1158079;1433859550;mircea_popescu;and then you don't remember it going away.
1158080;1433859553;*;nubbins` mumbles something about getting pogos running
1158081;1433859556;mircea_popescu;why did it go away and why don't you remember it ?
1158082;1433859566;mircea_popescu;human physiology, the stuff the memory hole effect's made of.
1158083;1433859572;nubbins`;prolly a combination of poor memory and drug use
1158084;1433859590;mircea_popescu;more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.
1158085;1433859597;mircea_popescu;they're both made to make you feel good.
1158086;1433859607;asciilifeform;incidentally, i assume everyone remembers the usg-sponsored outfit publicly parading their net of sybils (based on 'pseudonode' or something entirely like it. student can write equivalent in an evening)
1158087;1433859631;mircea_popescu;(the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)
1158088;1433859634;nubbins`;did anyone ever muck about w/ a buildroot toolchain after?
1158089;1433859639;nubbins`;or was i the only one barking up that tree
1158090;1433859650;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158085 << mega-l0l! i think mine was made to feel like shit
1158091;1433859650;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.
1158092;1433859657;nubbins`;mircea_popescu fwiw smart people do depression way better than idiots.
1158093;1433859661;asciilifeform;so i sorta assumed it was for that.
1158094;1433859663;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1158095;1433859670;mircea_popescu;they actually have a right to it.
1158096;1433859686;mircea_popescu;rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.
1158097;1433859687;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i have buildroot working to my satisfaction. esp. after davout fixed the bug in mke2fs
1158098;1433859697;asciilifeform;nubbins`: but now we need a fully uclibc-ized bitcoind
1158099;1433859705;nubbins`;that's where i was stuck.
1158100;1433859709;davout;asciilifeform: mazeltov
1158101;1433859722;nubbins`;got buildroot built to my satisfaction, stalled up on actuall compiling bitcoind dependencies
1158102;1433859728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, in all that story a release is required.
1158103;1433859738;mircea_popescu;do we yet have something that people can put on pogo and run ?
1158104;1433859741;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the next necessary step is the complete excision of dns from bitcoind
1158105;1433859751;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i've had a statically built bitcoind for months now
1158106;1433859757;nubbins`;i just can't re-create the build ;/
1158107;1433859762;mircea_popescu;nubbins` exactly my point.
1158108;1433859774;asciilifeform;nubbins`: once this is done, it will be theoretically possible to build uclibc-ized bitcoind
1158109;1433859784;asciilifeform;and roll out buildroot+bitcoind buildatron
1158110;1433859793;mircea_popescu;whichd be sweet.
1158111;1433859806;nubbins`;actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck
1158112;1433859809;asciilifeform;i have a months-old patch on the ml, which got lost among the nuts and bolts, that nukes dns seeds
1158113;1433859810;mircea_popescu;pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else.
1158114;1433859815;asciilifeform;but this leaves the idiot 'whatismyip' thing
1158115;1433859825;asciilifeform;and a few other invocations
1158116;1433859829;asciilifeform;these - need to go
1158117;1433859837;nubbins`;i recall the discussion on that
1158118;1433859863;nubbins`;i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes
1158119;1433859873;asciilifeform;nubbins`: there is a fallback in there - irc
1158120;1433859878;nubbins`;right, yeah
1158121;1433859887;nubbins`;imagine
1158122;1433859892;asciilifeform;nubbins`: if we snip out the 'whatismyip' thing, that becomes the one and only turtle on which the elephants stand
1158123;1433859903;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not exactly, config files.
1158124;1433859919;nubbins`;fuck, right, yeah.
1158125;1433859925;asciilifeform;and bitcoind will have to be given either a) own external ip, in config or b) ip of irc net to connect to
1158126;1433859925;mircea_popescu;what sort of remembering is this!
1158127;1433859929;nubbins`;text file sitting in the root dir
1158128;1433859933;*;nubbins` gestures to the drugs
1158129;1433859937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is the runner's problem.
1158130;1433859941;mircea_popescu;and it is a correct solution.
1158131;1433859957;mircea_popescu;the approach here is to breach enemy's reliability,
1158132;1433859962;asciilifeform;this is probably when i confess that i have this sitting on my disk already
1158133;1433859962;mircea_popescu;nothing more.
1158134;1433859967;asciilifeform;needs to be cleaned up, tested, posted.
1158135;1433859971;nubbins`;woo
1158136;1433859973;asciilifeform;perhaps - this week's the time.
1158137;1433859981;nubbins`;oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing
1158138;1433860006;*;asciilifeform actually considered buying a box on which eulora is playable
1158139;1433860009;mircea_popescu;myeah
1158140;1433860021;*;nubbins` does not "game"
1158141;1433860044;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1158142;1433860049;nubbins`;lack of interest
1158143;1433860060;nubbins`;<--filthy casual
1158144;1433860067;nubbins`;i'll kick your ass at mario kart 8 tho
1158145;1433860077;mircea_popescu;i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.
1158146;1433860083;*;asciilifeform bbl
1158147;1433860097;mircea_popescu;but i'll tell you this much : im sick and tired of having to switch games.
1158148;1433860104;mircea_popescu;so im going to make this one work and play it forever.
1158149;1433860116;nubbins`;i've got a vague idea. why else would i take a 25btc stock warrant? ;p
1158150;1433860140;mircea_popescu;lol
1158151;1433860159;nubbins`;valid answers include "that time you used it to earn 1btc on bitbet"
1158152;1433860186;mircea_popescu;haha what was that ?
1158153;1433860208;mircea_popescu;anyway, you missed out a 1337 satoshi/day permabag by not coming to sunday's event.
1158154;1433860217;mircea_popescu;but not to despair - another one this sunday.
1158155;1433860220;nubbins`;https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
1158156;1433860220;assbot;BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No | closed 8 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBkfm )
1158157;1433860224;nubbins`;oh, fun
1158158;1433860311;BingoBoingo;Oh, other people catching on to the gawker model http://www.reaxxion.com/9508/gawker-writers-unionize-in-response-to-gamergates-bloody-nose
1158159;1433860312;assbot;  Gawker Writers Unionize In Response To #GamerGate’s Bloody Nose ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBzH8 )
1158160;1433860324;mircea_popescu;lol
1158161;1433860577;nubbins`;woops
1158162;1433860587;nubbins`;protip: listen when your computer says you're at 5% battery
1158163;1433860596;mircea_popescu;because it usually lies
1158164;1433860598;mircea_popescu;and it's 0.3%
1158165;1433860608;nubbins`;next thing ya know a fan spins up and BAM
1158166;1433860621;nubbins`;but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday
1158167;1433860771;nubbins`;BingoBoingo lel @ gawker and all affiliated sites in general
1158168;1433860847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135207 @ 0.00035356 = 47.8038 BTC [-]
1158169;1433860986;nubbins`;from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"
1158170;1433860991;nubbins`;undoubtedly.
1158171;1433861007;nubbins`;there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one
1158172;1433861012;mircea_popescu;heh.
1158173;1433861019;mircea_popescu;who are these two incidentally ?
1158174;1433861022;nubbins`;who cares
1158175;1433861024;nubbins`;pop stars
1158176;1433861045;nubbins`;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ruTyZPcP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1288837417214035347.jpg
1158177;1433861045;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODFXC )
1158178;1433861054;nubbins`;perry is on the left with the epic troll face
1158179;1433861054;mircea_popescu;http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/taylor-swift-showing-off-flexibility-new-nude-photo ?
1158180;1433861055;assbot;Taylor Swift Showing Off Her Flexibility In New Nude Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODI5J )
1158181;1433861420;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/century-feud.jpg
1158182;1433861421;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEIqG )
1158183;1433861640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94800 @ 0.00035912 = 34.0446 BTC [+] {2} 
1158184;1433861945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117411 @ 0.00036636 = 43.0147 BTC [+] {2} 
1158185;1433862006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35789 @ 0.00036758 = 13.1553 BTC [+]
1158186;1433862193;mircea_popescu;!gettrust heysteve
1158187;1433862196;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user heysteve: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=heysteve | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/heysteve/
1158188;1433862284;ben_vulpes;<nubbins`> but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday << if you figure out how lmk, i failed to do so miserably
1158189;1433862555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167900 @ 0.00035302 = 59.2721 BTC [-] {4} 
1158190;1433862982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00036805 = 18.3473 BTC [+] {2} 
1158191;1433863409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192500 @ 0.00035087 = 67.5425 BTC [-] {3} 
1158192;1433864013;punkman;new ups lasted a whole hour, impressed
1158193;1433864044;mircea_popescu;o.O
1158194;1433864117;punkman;I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar
1158195;1433865522;pete_dushenski;qntsideration incoming !
1158196;1433865555;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/00W44M1.txt
1158197;1433865556;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoqmi )
1158198;1433865556;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1158199;1433865699;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/0VY2ECF.txt
1158200;1433865700;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoKBB )
1158201;1433865700;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1158202;1433865758;pete_dushenski;"Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."
1158203;1433865783;pete_dushenski;some spamsite via a contravex commenter.
1158204;1433865855;pete_dushenski;"but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"
1158205;1433866002;pete_dushenski;http://imgur.com/a/SKPmk << amazing the dedication of these kidz.
1158206;1433866002;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1158207;1433866003;assbot;                    Huge crowd F1 Grand Prix Bitcoin booth - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWxP5N )
1158208;1433866010;pete_dushenski;they just won't give up !
1158209;1433866032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309835 @ 0.0003543 = 109.7745 BTC [+] {4} 
1158210;1433866049;pete_dushenski;i was in montreal for the gp last year and they were doing the exact same shtick
1158211;1433866080;pete_dushenski;i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing
1158212;1433866088;pete_dushenski;guess it still has legs.
1158213;1433866093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115315 @ 0.0003418 = 39.4147 BTC [-] {3} 
1158214;1433866094;pete_dushenski;whaddya know.
1158215;1433866236;pete_dushenski;"Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.
1158216;1433866319;pete_dushenski;last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag
1158217;1433866336;pete_dushenski;this year i really can't be bothered to watch f1
1158218;1433866337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82122 @ 0.00037137 = 30.4976 BTC [+] {2} 
1158219;1433866350;pete_dushenski;it's almost entirely lost its appeal
1158220;1433866973;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else. << getting gentoo boxen for uclibc and cross-compilation's knocked mod6 and i on our asses
1158221;1433866988;ben_vulpes;well, me for certain.
1158222;1433867038;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1158223;1433867071;ben_vulpes;went to get a garbagebox from freegeek.org yesterday - "tuesday through saturday"
1158224;1433867091;ascii_field;wats that
1158225;1433867114;ben_vulpes;local sommolier
1158226;1433867124;ascii_field;bought anything ?
1158227;1433867128;ben_vulpes;shit-melier
1158228;1433867139;ben_vulpes;trinque reported two thinkpads i wanted to acquire
1158229;1433867313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7525 @ 0.0003654 = 2.7496 BTC [-]
1158230;1433867318;ben_vulpes;might be able to acquire a tower or something with an i5 to play eulora
1158231;1433867335;*;ben_vulpes is rebuilding eulora from scratch. again.
1158232;1433867456;ben_vulpes;unrelated: on the quakers, consensus and 'activism' in america: http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/
1158233;1433867458;assbot;The Theology of Consensus | Berkeley Journal of Sociology ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZrZcf )
1158234;1433867526;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/p7YVzlU.jpg
1158235;1433867527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZs7IJ )
1158236;1433867562;ascii_field;^ re: uranium mine
1158237;1433867609;ascii_field;and yes, those are imperial 2.54mm headers soldered to metric 2mm dip
1158238;1433867614;ben_vulpes;"The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours"  "Some called it “feminist process,� for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?
1158239;1433867639;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go to 'occupy' ?
1158240;1433867642;*;ascii_field did, and saw this alive
1158241;1433867658;ascii_field;they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'
1158242;1433867688;danielpbarron;i saw it in NYC on one of my field trips to see the marathon
1158243;1433867707;ben_vulpes;neat pickaxe, ascii_field
1158244;1433867718;danielpbarron;saw their human megaphone a.k.a. cultish chanting
1158245;1433867727;ascii_field;'mic check'
1158246;1433867731;danielpbarron;yes that
1158247;1433867734;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: did indeed!
1158248;1433867758;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.
1158249;1433867771;mircea_popescu;tis what it is.
1158250;1433867774;ben_vulpes;was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.
1158251;1433867820;ben_vulpes;evaporated quickly, though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.
1158252;1433867914;mircea_popescu;soo... i just got an email from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
1158253;1433867963;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong
1158254;1433867964;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1158255;1433867965;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now
1158256;1433867978;ascii_field;but usually it's tax-flavoured
1158257;1433867981;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1158258;1433867989;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lol i don't disagree !
1158259;1433867998;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/fbi.png
1158260;1433867999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZsXoN )
1158261;1433868015;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: my guess it that it is mostly targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well that usg has not invented email yet.
1158262;1433868024;mircea_popescu;heh
1158263;1433868050;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: let's start a school
1158264;1433868062;pete_dushenski;i'm in.
1158265;1433868077;pete_dushenski;1. teachers can physically discipline students
1158266;1433868089;pete_dushenski;2. students will learn to type on physical keyboards
1158267;1433868097;pete_dushenski;3. no touchscreens allowed on the premises
1158268;1433868113;mircea_popescu;not swearing won't get you to heaven pete_dushenski
1158269;1433868116;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day
1158270;1433868121;pete_dushenski;4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory
1158271;1433868122;ben_vulpes;teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet
1158272;1433868154;mircea_popescu;now that's an idea.
1158273;1433868170;pete_dushenski;i'm not done...
1158274;1433868188;pete_dushenski;5. students will learn to think, then learn the alphabet, then learn to read
1158275;1433868248;ben_vulpes;i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.
1158276;1433868253;mircea_popescu;"students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"
1158277;1433868258;ascii_field;^^^^
1158278;1433868259;mircea_popescu;"which will forthwith change as a result"
1158279;1433868284;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with
1158280;1433868298;pete_dushenski;6. those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13 to pursue technical professions
1158281;1433868302;mircea_popescu;romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.
1158282;1433868315;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what if they become inclined at 19 ?
1158283;1433868322;jurov;how is this determined at 13?
1158284;1433868340;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: then self-teach ? go back to school ?
1158285;1433868350;pete_dushenski;jurov: tests.
1158286;1433868355;mircea_popescu;what if they go back to school with a chip on their shoulder
1158287;1433868359;mircea_popescu;and set your entire world ablaze ?
1158288;1433868371;ben_vulpes;not a bad outcome.
1158289;1433868380;mircea_popescu;the focus of this process should not be satisfaction of the designer
1158290;1433868391;mircea_popescu;but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.
1158291;1433868400;jurov;there are tests for that?
1158292;1433868400;mircea_popescu;shit on the powerless, that's what they're there for.
1158293;1433868431;pete_dushenski;jurov: why not ?
1158294;1433868440;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: how is "rightly" determined ?
1158295;1433868446;mircea_popescu;why not is not a permissible question in this context.
1158296;1433868453;mircea_popescu;rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.
1158297;1433868461;jurov;pete_dushenski: because human mind?
1158298;1433868492;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out
1158299;1433868495;ascii_field;in practice.
1158300;1433868513;trinque;the right kids will want to learn
1158301;1433868517;mircea_popescu;the concept of performance tests is not unlike the concept of postcard tourism.
1158302;1433868524;trinque;I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent
1158303;1433868526;mircea_popescu;"i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"
1158304;1433868528;pete_dushenski;tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...
1158305;1433868529;trinque;and the wrong ones shouldn't be in the school
1158306;1433868579;mircea_popescu;the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".
1158307;1433868596;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.
1158308;1433868605;mircea_popescu;kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them
1158309;1433868638;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !
1158310;1433868664;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?
1158311;1433868667;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years
1158312;1433868680;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski apparently they're not too young to live and breathe.
1158313;1433868692;pete_dushenski;neither is 1-day-old
1158314;1433868696;mircea_popescu;quite.
1158315;1433868704;mircea_popescu;the notion that there's insulation from choice...
1158316;1433868718;mircea_popescu;some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?
1158317;1433868740;pete_dushenski;with tests !
1158318;1433868743;mircea_popescu;o i know, put folic acid in everyone' flour
1158319;1433868745;mircea_popescu;and tests
1158320;1433868746;mircea_popescu;yes yes.
1158321;1433868751;ascii_field;it boggles my mind to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding
1158322;1433868782;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
1158323;1433868783;ben_vulpes;eh give him a break - the canuks get all their ideas from their southern protector
1158324;1433868813;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lol not true ! i read books and things too.
1158325;1433868815;ascii_field;we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be
1158326;1433868817;mircea_popescu;so all that can conceivably be done is protection and tests.
1158327;1433868841;pete_dushenski;actually reading ascii_field recommended "chinese examination" book atm.
1158328;1433868862;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: concert pianists ?
1158329;1433868863;mircea_popescu;ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.
1158330;1433868869;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: aha. see also mircea_popescu's essay on 'grinding men into spherical ball bearings'
1158331;1433868882;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: this is an excellent point.
1158332;1433868922;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1158333;1433868929;pete_dushenski;damn it, just when we're getting rolling, meatspace beckons. later y'all !
1158334;1433868989;*;pete_dushenski looks forward to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in the logs
1158335;1433869039;trinque;give 'em things to build that don't suck.
1158336;1433869050;trinque;and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished
1158337;1433869057;ben_vulpes;make 'em do math and physics by hand and computer
1158338;1433869059;trinque;and boot everyone that after that still sucks.
1158339;1433869073;ben_vulpes;latin, french
1158340;1433869097;ben_vulpes;read the bible three times, numbers in particular.
1158341;1433869128;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.
1158342;1433869148;mircea_popescu;ascii_field school certainly aided me.
1158343;1433869184;ascii_field;how ?
1158344;1433869195;ben_vulpes;'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying the spawn
1158345;1433869214;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes, they teach ya green's theorem, etc.
1158346;1433869221;ascii_field;but could also learn this from book
1158347;1433869226;mircea_popescu;by consistently sucking my cock throughout my formative years
1158348;1433869232;ascii_field;l0l
1158349;1433869239;ascii_field;'the microscope aided me. best hammer.'
1158350;1433869239;mircea_popescu;and then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts to get the ball started
1158351;1433869260;mircea_popescu;hey, what can i tell ya.
1158352;1433869265;mircea_popescu;it didn't come with instructions on the box.
1158353;1433869331;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << mega-lulziez
1158354;1433869334;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )
1158355;1433869360;mircea_popescu;mateirosca.com << win
1158356;1433869881;ben_vulpes;;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?
1158357;1433869882;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1158358;1433869997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164000 @ 0.0003654 = 59.9256 BTC [-]
1158359;1433870521;ascii_field;'(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by ten pages of barf
1158360;1433870531;*;ascii_field wants to roast someone, slowly
1158361;1433870584;jurov;yea i remember that, they reorganized it
1158362;1433870594;ascii_field;i'd like to reorganize their insides.
1158363;1433870607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00037301 = 18.5572 BTC [+] {2} 
1158364;1433870681;jurov;https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1010432-start-25-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html
1158365;1433870684;assbot;Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Slot conflict dev-lang/perl-5.20.1-r4 and dev-lang/perl-5.18 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWJ1zl )
1158366;1433870697;jurov;generally, perl-cleaner
1158367;1433870725;ascii_field;tried that
1158368;1433870782;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1158369;1433870789;ascii_field;'Why is Perl so F***ing special that it gets its own utility for un-f***ing it every time I need to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and this dependency stuff just makes me not want to touch it, ever, if I did suffer from temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or
1158370;1433870790;ascii_field;C++-cleaner.'
1158371;1433870794;ascii_field;(from forum)
1158372;1433870875;mircea_popescu;we don't need a c++ cleanner ?
1158373;1433870883;mircea_popescu;how long have i been asleep ?
1158374;1433870911;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist, to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box
1158375;1433870920;ascii_field;bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect
1158376;1433870966;mircea_popescu;oh ok. so i didn't hallucinate valgrind igperf etcv
1158377;1433870974;mircea_popescu;got worried for a minute there
1158378;1433870997;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box
1158379;1433871008;ascii_field;and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse
1158380;1433871026;mircea_popescu;unlike the profilers.
1158381;1433871090;ascii_field;not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope
1158382;1433871318;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp
1158383;1433871338;mircea_popescu;because it never happened that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working
1158384;1433871339;ascii_field;cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces
1158385;1433871400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75050 @ 0.00037315 = 28.0049 BTC [+] {2} 
1158386;1433871533;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'
1158387;1433871763;jurov;and there is python-updater
1158388;1433871777;jurov;(better named)
1158389;1433871782;jurov;and haskell-updater, too
1158390;1433871798;ascii_field;^ especially lulzy
1158391;1433871924;ben_vulpes;cabal install cabal-install
1158392;1433871969;mod6;heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.
1158393;1433871974;*;ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"
1158394;1433872011;ben_vulpes;but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works
1158395;1433872034;trinque;jurov: I've totally fucked up my python install several times on gentoo, having to re-emerge python-exec, wtf ever that is
1158396;1433872069;trinque;gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)
1158397;1433872108;jurov;yeah, since you're supposed to have 2 versions plus pypy plus whatnot working alongside something is bound to break
1158398;1433872131;ben_vulpes;just say no to python 3
1158399;1433872162;trinque;PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7"  # ftw
1158400;1433872196;jurov;i'm fine with py3k, if you get acclimatized it's actually easy to write stuff compatible with both
1158401;1433872259;jurov;but i'm software maggot, can eat anything
1158402;1433872347;trinque;heh
1158403;1433872368;trinque;yeah, I suppose you can write against that six module right?
1158404;1433872398;*;trinque is bailing from python as he can find excuse to
1158405;1433872398;jurov;agains what?
1158406;1433872428;trinque;jurov: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six
1158407;1433872429;assbot;six 1.9.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KngqKL )
1158408;1433872460;jurov;oh, that. no, not needed it yet
1158409;1433873169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81325 @ 0.0003586 = 29.1631 BTC [-] {2} 
1158410;1433873230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00035759 = 12.4441 BTC [-]
1158411;1433873291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6271 @ 0.00035342 = 2.2163 BTC [-]
1158412;1433874328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51791 @ 0.00035342 = 18.304 BTC [-]
1158413;1433874399;danielpbarron;>> #534 in queue.  << archive.is is getting spammed now?
1158414;1433875000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142613 @ 0.00035342 = 50.4023 BTC [-]
1158415;1433875365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00035683 = 17.3598 BTC [+]
1158416;1433875915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58855 @ 0.00037557 = 22.1042 BTC [+]
1158417;1433876524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7316 @ 0.00036369 = 2.6608 BTC [-]
1158418;1433877073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33634 @ 0.00036257 = 12.1947 BTC [-] {2} 
1158419;1433877317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134342 @ 0.00035593 = 47.8163 BTC [-]
1158420;1433877439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6097 @ 0.00036782 = 2.2426 BTC [+]
1158421;1433878872;shinohai;Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/
1158422;1433878873;assbot;bailey jay is LE (proof inside woops i made a bailey jay blog post) : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6F8Yw )
1158423;1433880129;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i am unsurprised.
1158424;1433880174;mircea_popescu;except i just tried it and it went straight in
1158425;1433880184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00036782 = 35.7889 BTC [+]
1158426;1433880453;mircea_popescu;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << fwiw, the style of that production is exactly the "pov derpage" fashionable among the unemployed writers/table waiters of the day, whereas linguistic profile radically unbefitting a 40yo unemployed cab driver in bucharest
1158427;1433880454;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )
1158428;1433880456;mircea_popescu;but what do i know.
1158429;1433880693;mats;http://i.imgur.com/Fvj8erB.png
1158430;1433880693;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6HnLv )
1158431;1433880726;mats;oops, wrong one https://twitter.com/afreak/status/608321989900648448
1158432;1433880746;mats;DMCA flags on... an iframe.
1158433;1433880893;mircea_popescu;looks like airtel didn't want the news of their fraud public ?
1158434;1433880947;mats;yes
1158435;1433881109;mats;that letter is difficult to read
1158436;1433881169;mats;so much pretension
1158437;1433881209;mircea_popescu;http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/no-lands-man-or-how-not-to-do-an-election/ << more of the same, if you care.
1158438;1433881213;assbot;No Land’s Man or How Not to Do an Election |  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnwhsD )
1158439;1433881343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87100 @ 0.00035862 = 31.2358 BTC [-] {2} 
1158440;1433881953;mircea_popescu;!up goregrind
1158441;1433882047;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1158442;1433882052;ascii_field;mats: https://archive.today/DVUie/005600bd57722743501a43c767b6ef8aadc48535.png << saved
1158443;1433882053;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxCzw )
1158444;1433882055;ascii_field;http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/more-trouble-for-airtel-injects-javascript-code-to-monitor-data-usage-activist-receives-notice-270111.html << details of the dmca barratry
1158445;1433882056;assbot;More trouble for Airtel: Injects JavaScript code to monitor data usage; activist receives notice - Tech2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxAaV )
1158446;1433882136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173400 @ 0.00035416 = 61.4113 BTC [-] {3} 
1158447;1433882448;mircea_popescu;http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/the-medianett-saga-adventures-in-mercenary-churnalism/ << and here's a (very naive) story from the agitprop mines
1158448;1433882451;assbot;The Medianett saga: adventures in mercenary churnalism |  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyhRz )
1158449;1433882990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150400 @ 0.00037178 = 55.9157 BTC [+]
1158450;1433883234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203817 @ 0.0003733 = 76.0849 BTC [+] {4} 
1158451;1433883295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131952 @ 0.00037628 = 49.6509 BTC [+]
1158452;1433883722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.0003738 = 27.1753 BTC [-]
1158453;1433883866;*;lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?
1158454;1433883867;lobbes; seems... dumb
1158455;1433883899;trinque;lobbes: logs to syslog
1158456;1433883915;trinque;I guess depending on the cron jobber; there are quite a few of them
1158457;1433883922;lobbes;hmm that may be it
1158458;1433883943;lobbes;checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA
1158459;1433883957;lobbes;no specifics on the actual error.
1158460;1433883967;*;lobbes shrug
1158461;1433883967;trinque;lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error
1158462;1433883973;trinque;and then blew up trying to tell ya
1158463;1433883986;fluffypony;lobbes
1158464;1433883999;fluffypony;you can just have a cronjob that does something like
1158465;1433884059;fluffypony;command --flag --flag2 --blah blah@blah 2> /var/log/yourlogfile.log
1158466;1433884061;fluffypony;or whatever
1158467;1433884069;trinque;yup that too
1158468;1433884069;fluffypony;the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR
1158469;1433884075;lobbes;aha
1158470;1433884081;lobbes;interesting
1158471;1433884087;fluffypony;I normally pipe STDERR to /dev/null because I don't need no steenking errors
1158472;1433884096;fluffypony;and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it
1158473;1433884097;fluffypony;because logic
1158474;1433884103;lobbes;haha
1158475;1433884106;mircea_popescu;i heard this before
1158476;1433884128;trinque;thought 2 was stderr only
1158477;1433884142;fluffypony;trinque: depends on shell and OS
1158478;1433884144;trinque;ah, k
1158479;1433884152;fluffypony;I think on OS X / FreeBSD you need 2&1>
1158480;1433884160;trinque;that's what I was thinking of, yep
1158481;1433884172;trinque;2>&1  > /your/thing.log
1158482;1433884186;trinque;redirects stderr to stdout, then stdout to the log
1158483;1433884235;lobbes;sweet though, this gives me stuff to work with. thanks everyone
1158484;1433884270;lobbes;I always overlook the power of piping
1158485;1433884287;mircea_popescu;it's so great it's easy to overlook
1158486;1433884315;trinque;I used /dev/tcp magic making that gentoo image for mod6 the other day
1158487;1433884327;trinque;pretty neat
1158488;1433885613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44007 @ 0.00037118 = 16.3345 BTC [-] {2} 
1158489;1433887016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49714 @ 0.00037646 = 18.7153 BTC [+]
1158490;1433887598;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kjkkMxn51rtlyn9o1_500.gif
1158491;1433887599;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmsKQf )
1158492;1433887911;*;shinohai saves mircea_popescu 's image for FapBot
1158493;1433887931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19230 @ 0.00035885 = 6.9007 BTC [-]
1158494;1433889518;shinohai;OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! http://redd.it/39694x
1158495;1433889520;assbot;WTF MultiBit HD? Why I have to pay a fee to you? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YgQa )
1158496;1433889574;ben_vulpes;old story, shinohai
1158497;1433889596;shinohai;It stiil boggles my mind whenever I see it.
1158498;1433890066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80934 @ 0.0003551 = 28.7397 BTC [-] {2} 
1158499;1433890122;mats;https://soundcloud.com/futureclassic/panama-jungle
1158500;1433890123;assbot;Panama - Jungle by future classic | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YQO3 )
1158501;1433890695;mircea_popescu;!up copumpkin
1158502;1433890699;mircea_popescu;!up copypaste
1158503;1433891269;mats;http://saw.galois.com
1158504;1433891271;assbot;SAW ... ( http://bit.ly/1cKh334 )
1158505;1433891286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235794 @ 0.00035178 = 82.9476 BTC [-] {2} 
1158506;1433891469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60706 @ 0.00034472 = 20.9266 BTC [-]
1158507;1433891652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131539 @ 0.00037064 = 48.7536 BTC [+] {2} 
1158508;1433891680;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1158509;1433892023;mats;https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIYgqrytPK-CFWfqDntraA_Fwi2Ov-YBgMtl5hdrYd4 << 'Escaping VMWare Workstation Through COM1'
1158510;1433892025;assbot;Escaping VMware Workstation through COM1 - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDoibD )
1158511;1433892151;mircea_popescu;!up GcardBTC
1158512;1433892503;GcardBTC;I have some amazon giftcard for sale. Accepting crypto. Send me an email and we can work something out.
1158513;1433892535;asciilifeform;mats: iirc that is one of the lulzfarms that attempts to fuck with bitcoin net for usg
1158514;1433892549;asciilifeform;mats: and 'formally proven' properties of generic c - what a lol
1158515;1433892560;mats;yup
1158516;1433892567;mats;exactly that galois
1158517;1433892587;asciilifeform;i forget if this was public or not
1158518;1433892589;asciilifeform;guess it is now.
1158519;1433892673;asciilifeform;'vprintproxy.exe is launched on the Host by vmware-vmx.exe as whichever user started VMware. vmware-vmx.exe and vprintproxy.exe communicate through named pipes. When writing to COM1 in the Guest, the packets will eventually end up in vprintproxy.exe for processing.' <<<< run moar winblows!! (tm)
1158520;1433892716;asciilifeform;'The program performs unsafe 32-bit arithmetic, leading to an invalid size check prior to a memcpy() operation, leading to a heap overflow.' << can we plz haz shitgnomes playing 'underhanded c contest' prior to employment? these old idiocies are getting - well - old.
1158521;1433892764;asciilifeform;'When extracting a TrueType font from the EMFSPOOL file, TPView.dll will verify the checksum of the font prior to further processing. To do so, it will walk the tables, zero out the padding at the end of a table and checksum the table. In doing so, it will trust the ‘offset’ field of the table record and add it to a pointer to the font buffer. While there is a check to make sure that we don’t go past the end of the font,
1158522;1433892764;asciilifeform; nothing prevents us from referencing and zeroing memory prior to the font, as the 32-bit arithmetic will wrap.' << ditto
1158523;1433892797;asciilifeform;'Also the JPEG2000 parsing is done within a try-catch that catches all exception. This would allow an attacker to bruteforce his/her way to successful exploitation as the vprintproxy.exe would stay alive even through access violations.' << ahahahahaha.
1158524;1433892801;asciilifeform;yeah 'bug' sure.
1158525;1433892804;asciilifeform;'cosmic rays' did this.
1158526;1433892805;scoopbot_revived;Exodus from Wall Street: HSBC lays off 50,000 employees http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-wall-street-hsbc-lays-off-50000-employees/
1158527;1433892837;asciilifeform;'Identified mitigations. Load your Nagant, place in mouth, pull trigger.'
1158528;1433892843;asciilifeform;^ not in document, but suggested fix.
1158529;1433892898;mats;lol
1158530;1433892977;jurov;http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/dangerous-minds-are-maths-teachers-australias-newest-threat-20150608-ghira9
1158531;1433892980;assbot;Dangerous minds: Are maths teachers Australia's newest threat? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDr3tB )
1158532;1433893018;jurov;"You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
1158533;1433893025;mats;fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.
1158534;1433893170;pete_dushenski;how is it that block 360213 was mined before 360212 ?
1158535;1433893202;punkman;timestamps can be wrong
1158536;1433893224;pete_dushenski;ah, just rough approximations then ?
1158537;1433893238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00034369 = 56.8807 BTC [-]
1158538;1433893246;pete_dushenski;2 minutes seemed like a large gap.
1158539;1433893252;punkman;yeah block number is where it's at
1158540;1433893261;trinque;jurov: totalitarians going for broke eh?
1158541;1433893279;pete_dushenski;punkman makes sense.
1158542;1433893299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00035012 = 11.0638 BTC [+]
1158543;1433894056;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13
1158544;1433894145;shinohai;I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.
1158545;1433894204;trinque;shinohai: the internet is free comrade.
1158546;1433894245;shinohai;Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD
1158547;1433894278;shinohai;There *is* good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.
1158548;1433894314;trinque;nah, none of it should be free
1158549;1433894373;trinque;largest machine on earth if you consider it as such... and people think it should cost nothing
1158550;1433894407;pete_dushenski;trinque so what should the b-a foundation's bitcoind cost to download ?
1158551;1433894421;asciilifeform;trinque: 'should cost something' does not mean 'random derp gets to charge'
1158552;1433894425;trinque;pete_dushenski: it always costs *someone* *something*
1158553;1433894475;pete_dushenski;right, and we're talking about the end-user here, are we not ?
1158554;1433894499;trinque;we're talking about the end user's packets
1158555;1433894501;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies
1158556;1433894501;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
1158557;1433894549;pete_dushenski;trinque packets and pockets
1158558;1433894632;trinque;pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
1158559;1433894668;trinque;at-will funding doesn't mean free, necessarily
1158560;1433894677;trinque;anyhow, just saying good work costs money
1158561;1433894708;pete_dushenski;agreed. "free" work results in retardopedia.
1158562;1433894733;pete_dushenski;though that's also the result of low barriers to entry
1158563;1433894746;pete_dushenski;which is a different consideration entirely.
1158564;1433894782;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158558 << rly? from where i sit, it appears to be funded by folks willing to work for nothing
1158565;1433894782;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 00:03:52; trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
1158566;1433894793;*;asciilifeform for instance.
1158567;1433894827;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform you're funded by s.nsa :D
1158568;1433894831;trinque;yep, said it costs "someone something", time in this case
1158569;1433894836;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you sorta have it reversed
1158570;1433894838;shinohai;I am not saying there is anything wrong with free (Debian for example). Just that if you want a different product with extended features, those cost $ to develop/
1158571;1433894842;trinque;though perhaps money in time
1158572;1433894851;trinque;shinohai: I'm saying someone always foots the bill
1158573;1433894857;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: s.nsa is, in practice thus far, funded by my lunch money.
1158574;1433894858;trinque;and there is no such thing as something without a cost
1158575;1433894874;*;trinque wishes asciilifeform many cardano sales
1158576;1433894885;*;asciilifeform wishes also.
1158577;1433894906;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform as you've mentioned many a time, but in turn you're given stocks and options of some value
1158578;1433894926;pete_dushenski;it seems that your lack of a meatspace broker is requiring expenses to be out-of-pocket
1158579;1433894951;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it isn't a lack-of-broker problem, but an i-live-on-usg-scrip problem
1158580;1433894978;asciilifeform;if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.
1158581;1433894987;asciilifeform;(other than adding to my usg-jailable liabilities)
1158582;1433895001;pete_dushenski;exactly zero ?
1158583;1433895009;asciilifeform;well, epsilon.
1158584;1433895020;asciilifeform;(one can buy petrol with them, that's mostly it)
1158585;1433895033;pete_dushenski;eh, what's wrong with non-zero improvements ?
1158586;1433895038;pete_dushenski;groceries
1158587;1433895041;pete_dushenski;pre-paid visa cards
1158588;1433895041;asciilifeform;sure.
1158589;1433895046;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: aha no
1158590;1433895056;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: prepaid cards, where i live, require government id
1158591;1433895057;pete_dushenski;lolk mebbe not the visas...
1158592;1433895093;pete_dushenski;though i'm sure pre-paid visas can be purchased on craigslist or the like
1158593;1433895102;pete_dushenski;or through wot
1158594;1433895106;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: invitation to be beaten and robbed
1158595;1433895117;shinohai;craigslist kek
1158596;1433895120;asciilifeform;if through wot, invitation to get some other fine fella gassed on my account
1158597;1433895167;pete_dushenski;ok, so you stick with cash and take 'pet' out for lovely restaurant dinner, fill gastank, buy best organic veggies and steaks.
1158598;1433895180;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this is perhaps 1-2% of my costs.
1158599;1433895181;pete_dushenski;easy $1k/mo
1158600;1433895192;pete_dushenski;you spend $100k/mo then ?
1158601;1433895195;asciilifeform;mno
1158602;1433895199;asciilifeform;but i don't eat that much food
1158603;1433895204;asciilifeform;or burn so much fuel.
1158604;1433895237;asciilifeform;to roughly compare, this wouldn't be an airplane, just a pogo stick that lets you jump a few metres.
1158605;1433895258;asciilifeform;at the cost of now having to guard a suitcase of plutonium
1158606;1433895297;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> 'cosmic rays' did this. << beats null op heh
1158607;1433895298;pete_dushenski;plutonium = cash ?
1158608;1433895306;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: aha
1158609;1433895324;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: in your own country a fella just sat down for 3 yrs for having turned up with a bag of benjies.
1158610;1433895346;pete_dushenski;$10k isn't $1 mn +
1158611;1433895353;mircea_popescu;50k hsbc employees worked on wall street ? gimme a break.
1158612;1433895387;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu ftr, not my title ! i also proposed including "the city"
1158613;1433895390;*;asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire
1158614;1433895397;*;asciilifeform opens window
1158615;1433895441;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << ok that shit's absolutely vile.
1158616;1433895441;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
1158617;1433895442;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu though really, should be "50k fired from europe and americas"
1158618;1433895474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is 100% based on usg doctrine circa 1950s and onwards re: research even tangentially related to nukes
1158619;1433895480;asciilifeform;;;google born classified
1158620;1433895483;gribble;Born secret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret>; Security Classification of Information, volume 2 (Quist), Chapter Three: <http://www.fas.org/sgp/library/quist2/chap_3.html>; What Does "Born Secret" Mean? (with pictures) - wiseGEEK: <http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-born-secret-mean.htm>
1158621;1433895485;mircea_popescu;fuck them.
1158622;1433895495;mircea_popescu;if anyone asks them anything i'll be sure to send them an email.,
1158623;1433895496;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire << This is tragedy actual floppy drives that haven't been run to shit or decayed on their own are increasingly rare
1158624;1433895514;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the specimen i turned up has clearly seen better days.
1158625;1433895528;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 5v to gnd is a dead short.
1158626;1433895566;asciilifeform;it bothers me that i am at a loss as to how this could even physically happen
1158627;1433895571;asciilifeform;unit will have to be cut open, dissected.
1158628;1433895594;mircea_popescu;i don't see it either.
1158629;1433895596;mircea_popescu;what fire.
1158630;1433895606;mircea_popescu;you had a nitrocellulose disk in there or what
1158631;1433895614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the power harness.
1158632;1433895620;asciilifeform;overtemp from dead short in drive.
1158633;1433895652;asciilifeform;incidentally, the au thing is more interesting than seems on the surface, because came directly out of 'wassenar agreement', a usg imposition on its entire colonial domain
1158634;1433895660;asciilifeform;(including usa proper)
1158635;1433895676;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1158636;1433895708;asciilifeform;it was formally proclaimed that 'security tools' and especially 0days proper are now considered 'arms'
1158637;1433895711;asciilifeform;like pgp in the '90s
1158638;1433895714;BingoBoingo;USia just just starting to derp about itw Wassenar implementation
1158639;1433895727;mircea_popescu;moreover, "this is where you have to break the laws of your country because we don't like breaking ours"
1158640;1433895766;asciilifeform;interestingly, it is not even a treaty in the formal sense
1158641;1433895768;asciilifeform;just an 'agreement'
1158642;1433895782;asciilifeform;which means that legislatures do not get to discuss it as a yes/no
1158643;1433895788;asciilifeform;but 'suck usg cock or else'
1158644;1433895803;mircea_popescu;it is not worth the paper it's printed on.
1158645;1433895813;asciilifeform;nato blok is run much like u.s. folk imagine warsaw pact was ran.
1158646;1433895823;BingoBoingo;"There are no poisons that are specifically designed to kill lizards." >> http://www.ask.com/home-garden/poison-should-used-kill-lizards-ef7334a7b9c23689
1158647;1433895824;assbot;Which poison should be used to kill lizards? | Ask.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gc1prW )
1158648;1433895834;BingoBoingo;I wonder why?
1158649;1433895850;mircea_popescu;lol
1158650;1433895861;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo now drinking mellower pain thinners :D
1158651;1433895884;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Taking the first half of the week off from that.
1158652;1433895887;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik no lizard is a serious matter in agriculture. which would be why.
1158653;1433895899;mircea_popescu;aha.
1158654;1433895910;mircea_popescu;in fairness, plants did poison long before we showed up, and way better anyway.
1158655;1433895919;mircea_popescu;we're basically trying to be substitute plants
1158656;1433895973;mircea_popescu;"Defence said the new rules are necessary to stop the wrong technology falling into the hands of states or groups of proliferation concern." << this is bound to collide with bitcoin in the mid term, by the way.
1158657;1433895984;mircea_popescu;states are untineresting, groups however...
1158658;1433895988;asciilifeform;mid-term l0l
1158659;1433895990;mircea_popescu;we're the state slayer. worst group ever.
1158660;1433895995;asciilifeform;how about yesterday.
1158661;1433896053;mircea_popescu;factually not yesterday, but anyway.
1158662;1433896266;asciilifeform;it is also not a secret what they are pushing as 'wrong technology.'
1158663;1433896312;asciilifeform;usg is working on plugging holes in the wintel-to-nsa pipeline.
1158664;1433896330;mircea_popescu;aha.
1158665;1433896395;BingoBoingo;Hence the intel graphics driver news
1158666;1433896427;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: objective there is to herd the remaining linux/bsd diehards onto nvidia/ati
1158667;1433896472;asciilifeform;'want a vga card? run usg blobs. get on your knees, ready to please.'
1158668;1433896479;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I thought it was to get people on the fence to return to winblows because they accidentally bought the wrong machine
1158669;1433896502;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the only thing usg likes more than chump running winblows is a chump who thinks he isn't, but is.
1158670;1433896512;mircea_popescu;that's a point.
1158671;1433896513;BingoBoingo;yeah
1158672;1433896538;mircea_popescu;and in between them, systemd.
1158673;1433896540;asciilifeform;use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.
1158674;1433896670;asciilifeform;the proximate goal of wassenar etc. is not to jail academics (though the 'chilling effect' is a bonus for usg) but to herd the legit multinational corps who mine winblows 0days (e.g., 'vupen') and sell on market, into usg banners.
1158675;1433896685;asciilifeform;'do it under our watch or not at all'
1158676;1433896709;mircea_popescu;romanian expression being "pasarea malai viseaza"
1158677;1433896724;asciilifeform;(see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1091295 etc)
1158678;1433896724;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 21:38:53; ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc
1158679;1433896826;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is that something like 'who speaks of what but the lousy will speak of baths' ?
1158680;1433896845;mircea_popescu;"the bird dreams of ground corn"
1158681;1433896852;asciilifeform;('кто о чем а вшивый о бане')
1158682;1433896858;asciilifeform;ah
1158683;1433896926;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the full form actually is, "vrabia malai viseaza si lenesul praznic" (and the lazy man, a saint's day feast). sorta reminiscent of your drowned boy.
1158684;1433896934;asciilifeform;aha
1158685;1433896939;asciilifeform;we have several versions of this proverb.
1158686;1433896995;asciilifeform;'и рыбку �ъе�ть и на хуй �е�ть' << '[wishes for] to both eat the fish -and- sit down on the cock'
1158687;1433897002;mircea_popescu;lol
1158688;1433897525;asciilifeform;(question is always asked, how are these two activities in conflict? one version holds that original was '[to wish for] to both eat the fish -and- suck the cock')
1158689;1433897562;asciilifeform;yet another was that it started life as 'to wish for to eat the fish and -not- sit down on the cock'
1158690;1433897633;asciilifeform;see also http://matpogovorki.jimdo.com/%D0%B8
1158691;1433897634;assbot;И - Крупнейша� коллекци� матерных поговорок ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1pHvZ )
1158692;1433897639;asciilifeform;^ large collection of similar proverbs.
1158693;1433897770;asciilifeform;'Ивану за атаку - хуй в �раку. � Маньке за пизду - Кра�ную Звезду.' << related. 'ivan led the attack, got a cock in his back. masha's twat went far, got her a red star.' ( http://ordenrf.ru/upload/nagrady/orden-krasnoy-zvezdy-3-a.jpg )
1158694;1433897772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1q3mn )
1158695;1433897811;asciilifeform;everyone who likes proverbs pertaining to buggery - straight to this mega-resource.
1158696;1433898537;mircea_popescu;pretty sure fish = cunt here
1158697;1433900733;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GlWh-oQE7aM/UbcBnwxEz2I/AAAAAAAAAVM/cd9d-zEJPXo/s1600/188426_10150106868550178_120612075177_6796052_7699443_n.jpg"
1158698;1433900734;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F73aTl )
1158699;1433900961;scoopbot_revived;Browder the Bitcoinless http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless/
1158700;1433901473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35364 @ 0.00037257 = 13.1756 BTC [+]
1158701;1433901675;mod6;Switched over to gentoo hardened with uclibc on amazon to see if we can get a build of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and if so, hopfully get some profiling going here.  This is what I'm workin with: http://dpaste.com/0B1CXQ8.txt
1158702;1433901676;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F74ndu )
1158703;1433902255;decimation;asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609
1158704;1433902256;assbot;      Convicted killer in New York prison break on third escape attempt| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tWVD )
1158705;1433902273;scoopbot_revived;US Government Shuts Down US Government Drug Manufacturing Operation http://qntra.net/2015/06/us-government-shuts-down-us-government-drug-manufacturing-operation/
1158706;1433902273;decimation;it's been all over the news, has attracted half the cops in new york apparently
1158707;1433902736;scoopbot_revived;Eulorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eulorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/
1158708;1433903730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00035355 = 7.1417 BTC [-]
1158709;1433903975;trinque;bahahaha, clicked "in other news link" expecting tits
1158710;1433903977;trinque;got ducklings
1158711;1433904340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39636 @ 0.00037257 = 14.7672 BTC [+]
1158712;1433904523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.19990379 = 2.7987 BTC [-]
1158713;1433904767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23606 @ 0.00037552 = 8.8645 BTC [+]
1158714;1433905011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53679 @ 0.00035798 = 19.216 BTC [-]
1158715;1433905133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15021 @ 0.00035971 = 5.4032 BTC [+]
1158716;1433905349;danielpbarron;!up goregrind
1158717;1433905351;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158703 << i'm with herr limonov on this subject. the outlaw is '100x the man' of all of his pursuers put together.
1158718;1433905351;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 02:10:55; decimation: asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609
1158719;1433905363;asciilifeform;i personally wish him a long life and many successes.
1158720;1433905532;mats;http://risky.biz/RB368
1158721;1433905534;assbot;Risky Business #368 -- AusCERT edition: Brian Krebs, Eva Galperin and more! | Risky Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGUf19 )
1158722;1433905559;asciilifeform;mats: i actually just finished that one, l0l
1158723;1433905563;asciilifeform;(in a car)
1158724;1433905589;mats;im told its p good 3/4
1158725;1433905596;asciilifeform;galperin was a very sad case
1158726;1433905613;asciilifeform;eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'
1158727;1433905645;mats;as expected
1158728;1433905825;mod6;I forget whom it might have been, maybe nubbins` who said that the openssl headers don't get copied correctly on gentoo from the openssl build dir into ourlibs/include/openssl, i can confirm.
1158729;1433905829;decimation;asciilifeform: as I said, many catch a bullet in baltimore every day, nobody gives a shit
1158730;1433905852;decimation;two outlaws escape prison, commit the crime of making gov't look like buffons
1158731;1433905853;asciilifeform;decimation: no one gives half a damn what orcs do
1158732;1433905867;asciilifeform;aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)
1158733;1433905881;decimation;exactly, which in this case consists of state bureaucrats
1158734;1433905886;decimation;just like dpr did
1158735;1433906044;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp
1158736;1433906045;assbot;Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVhKE )
1158737;1433906045;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1158738;1433906079;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial
1158739;1433906080;assbot;Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVkWY )
1158740;1433906080;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1158741;1433906173;asciilifeform;e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?
1158742;1433906590;decimation;asciilifeform: good point, also committed lese majeste
1158743;1433906890;decimation;https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/ < many on herr handle's list too
1158744;1433906895;assbot;Bullied and Badgered, Pressured and Purged | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGWWQg )
1158745;1433906906;*;asciilifeform has met ^ alive a few times
1158746;1433906942;asciilifeform;but not lately.
1158747;1433906960;asciilifeform;we didn't really hit it off, and possibly also his boss ordered him to stop hanging out with hooligans.
1158748;1433906960;decimation;I haven't met, would like too
1158749;1433906984;decimation;too bad his blog seems dead
1158750;1433906990;asciilifeform;hence (2)
1158751;1433907005;mod6;hmm, weird, getting this error now: net.cpp: In function 'void ThreadOpenConnections2(void*)': net.cpp:1357:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope int64 nBest = INT64_MIN;
1158752;1433907015;decimation;he occasionally posts on spandrell's
1158753;1433907034;mod6;anyway, I'll pick this back up tomorrow.  getting closer...
1158754;1433907073;asciilifeform;herr handle works, well, you know where, https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/a-fifth-column-in-every-pot/#comment-2056
1158755;1433907075;assbot;A Fifth Column In Every Pot | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHgQz )
1158756;1433907177;decimation;heh someone should invite him here
1158757;1433907188;asciilifeform;i doubt he'll show
1158758;1433907235;danielpbarron;there are some people trying to get Bernard to speak at porcfest; not sure how that panned out
1158759;1433907304;asciilifeform;my own personal picture of him is, he isn't 'ideological' usg, but rather a fella who quit a promising academic career to turn soldier, and went half-deaf in afghan, along with devil knows what else; but was then rewarded with lucrative bureaucrat post. he won't be giving it up.
1158760;1433907317;danielpbarron;ah, apparently they sucessfully booked him
1158761;1433907334;decimation;asciilifeform: probably alot of such in usg
1158762;1433907335;danielpbarron;neato; I'll try to talk to this guy
1158763;1433907339;asciilifeform;if herr handle turns up here, it will probably be in the 'ninjashotgun' capacity. so i'd rather he didn't
1158764;1433907346;asciilifeform;let the man keep some dignity
1158765;1433907480;mats;ah, the coveted 'ten point preference'
1158766;1433907495;asciilifeform;mats: he's a lawyer.
1158767;1433907504;asciilifeform;funnily enough.
1158768;1433907507;decimation;I donno, I suspect usg is losing folks in droves
1158769;1433907515;asciilifeform;decimation: the other usg.
1158770;1433907519;asciilifeform;handle's usg is hiring.
1158771;1433907521;mats;ah, assumed civil servant
1158772;1433907523;asciilifeform;and bonusing.
1158773;1433907533;asciilifeform;mats: lawyer employed as civil servant.
1158774;1433907535;decimation;asciilifeform: nah, too hot of a potato
1158775;1433907551;decimation;congress can't be caught doing anything positive for intel these days
1158776;1433907571;asciilifeform;decimation: congress doesn't even sign off on that budget.
1158777;1433907582;asciilifeform;('intelligence committee' does. and signs like clockwork.)
1158778;1433907585;decimation;lol of course they do
1158779;1433907595;decimation;most of them just don't know what they are signing
1158780;1433907606;asciilifeform;if they knew, they'd have to kill'em (tm) (r)
1158781;1433907634;decimation;asciilifeform: what good can come from a congressman looking into secret stuff?
1158782;1433907637;decimation;best case is nothing
1158783;1433907640;trinque;the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/
1158784;1433907641;assbot;  Windows 8 is good enough for the US Department of Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHI1c )
1158785;1433907641;asciilifeform;'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
1158786;1433907648;decimation;worst case is that they learn something embarassing
1158787;1433907664;trinque;we must be so goddamn tactically weak militarily at this point
1158788;1433907669;trinque;the rot in our economy is surely there as well
1158789;1433907699;asciilifeform;trinque: rot and infinite money, 200k usd office/fellatio assistants not only coexist, but go together like bread/butter
1158790;1433907716;trinque;I'm sure
1158791;1433907728;decimation;heh not on usg salary
1158792;1433907748;decimation;unless they have general's pay
1158793;1433907757;asciilifeform;decimation: intelligence has own pay grade ladder
1158794;1433907772;asciilifeform;classified, and not subject to review except by self
1158795;1433907772;trinque;and "intelligence" with which to make money
1158796;1433907793;asciilifeform;plus access to butterball 'consulting' contracts
1158797;1433907796;asciilifeform;where the actual money is
1158798;1433907835;decimation;no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash
1158799;1433907911;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NSA-Salaries-E41534.htm < lol
1158800;1433907912;assbot;NSA Salaries | Glassdoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGYUjN )
1158801;1433907927;decimation;doesn't look like big money to me
1158802;1433907939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26274 @ 0.00035971 = 9.451 BTC [+]
1158803;1433907946;asciilifeform;big money for folks with humble professions
1158804;1433907962;asciilifeform;(e.g., programmers straight from school, maths grad students, etc)
1158805;1433907967;trinque;about in line with working at a middling software company in portland
1158806;1433907992;asciilifeform;plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.
1158807;1433908020;asciilifeform;herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'
1158808;1433908063;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Bureaucrat_Song
1158809;1433908064;assbot;Bureaucrat Song - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGZlKN )
1158810;1433908077;trinque;heh!
1158811;1433908133;decimation;lol it might be worth making a burner identity to read these reviews
1158812;1433908175;trinque;with the abovementioned rot, I tend to anticipate the day when some US enemy of the many just turns whatever network-connected weapons we have inward.
1158813;1433908219;trinque;everything the NSA and other unmentioned corruptors have done has made us utterly. weak.
1158814;1433908267;trinque;and I know such systems are supposed to be disconnected from other networks, sure
1158815;1433908278;trinque;like the boeing entertainment system
1158816;1433908299;trinque;nobody ever connects a flash drive at the weapons installations
1158817;1433908321;asciilifeform;trinque: go connect flash drive to pdp-8.
1158818;1433908351;trinque;we're making new weapons-carrying machines all the time
1158819;1433908370;asciilifeform;with 'microvax' (yes)
1158820;1433908381;trinque;maybe they're safer than I think
1158821;1433908385;trinque;I wouldn't mind that being the case.
1158822;1433908395;asciilifeform;the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's
1158823;1433908400;asciilifeform;that is, on vintage iron
1158824;1433908429;decimation;heh "Cons: The management. The lack of parking. The decrepit facilities. The location. The political fallout from recent events."
1158825;1433908430;trinque;thank some god or another for that, then
1158826;1433908455;decimation;doesn't sound like a sinecure to me
1158827;1433908472;decimation;"cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."
1158828;1433908513;trinque;asciilifeform: still the thing must leak at the level of operational communications
1158829;1433908526;trinque;I suppose that's what the win8 machines were for
1158830;1433908578;decimation;"Very low quality workforce overall. At times NSA employment feels like welfare for ex-military who couldn't get better jobs. Moreover, because there are too many employees, we cannot reward the highest performers with a reasonable salary."
1158831;1433908670;asciilifeform;no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)
1158832;1433908721;decimation;surely many of them are insane
1158833;1433908738;decimation;otheres have found something interesting to do
1158834;1433908738;trinque;not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life
1158835;1433908742;asciilifeform;having worked in a very obscure usg bureaucracy (one of the many army labs) i will say this - it is a kind of valhalla for folks with own projects / ideas. not because anyone will support these (smoke less crack) but because there is virtually no accountability, management, or actual task
1158836;1433908748;asciilifeform;you can sit there and do mostly whatever.
1158837;1433908759;asciilifeform;for most of the 'staff', this consists of reading porn, yes
1158838;1433908769;asciilifeform;but it is not mandatory
1158839;1433908810;trinque;good place for scientist types to ponder; makes sense
1158840;1433908823;decimation;the trouble is they still must eat
1158841;1433908823;asciilifeform;so long as the thing you like to do can be done in front of a computer in a converted broom closet - you're in heaven.
1158842;1433908831;asciilifeform;until the funding runs out
1158843;1433908837;decimation;one can hardly raise a family in the wash dc area for $80k
1158844;1433908853;asciilifeform;family no, reasonable monastic existence - yes
1158845;1433908869;decimation;yeah, I buy that, good job for someone 'married to work'
1158846;1433908881;asciilifeform;actually not at all
1158847;1433908890;asciilifeform;good job for someone who doesn't give half a flying fuck about work.
1158848;1433908902;decimation;heh good point
1158849;1433908928;decimation;what's conquest's third law?
1158850;1433908936;asciilifeform;didn't require selling soul or keeping secrets, either
1158851;1433908945;asciilifeform;everything we did was printed in academitard rags
1158852;1433908951;decimation;"The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
1158853;1433909029;decimation;asciilifeform: that sounds like a nice life, as long as you can work on what you want and aren't bothered by paperwork
1158854;1433909137;asciilifeform;it was.
1158855;1433909167;mats;so what i'm hearing is i should apply to be a clerk at the patent office
1158856;1433909175;asciilifeform;mats: heavens no. they make you work!
1158857;1433909178;asciilifeform;like post office!
1158858;1433909179;decimation;mats: go read glassdoor
1158859;1433909182;asciilifeform;complete with quotas
1158860;1433909187;mats;o
1158861;1433909189;decimation;yeah it's terrible work
1158862;1433909194;asciilifeform;uspto is self-funded
1158863;1433909199;asciilifeform;(like post office.)
1158864;1433909202;decimation;unless you minimize your time there to become a patent lawyer
1158865;1433909206;asciilifeform;bad, bad usg to work for.
1158866;1433909207;trinque;I'm blessed I suppose by seeing software as only incidental to business
1158867;1433909216;trinque;or any other such thing
1158868;1433909221;trinque;I think I'd kill myself at any govt agency
1158869;1433909250;mats;i enjoyed .mil service for this reason
1158870;1433909278;mats;got a lot of college courses and personal projects done in my downtime
1158871;1433909287;asciilifeform;mats: from my perch, it looks more like patent office (i.e. actual work) than the other kind
1158872;1433909308;mats;and during work hours when not out playing fuck fuck games
1158873;1433909308;asciilifeform;what good is downtime if it's in afghan with 300 baud modem-over-dead-goat
1158874;1433909327;trinque;what's a social institution that works for this?
1158875;1433909342;trinque;uber-wealthy king that funds research?
1158876;1433909355;mats;my biggest regret is not going to afghan
1158877;1433909371;mats;should've enlisted sooner
1158878;1433909373;asciilifeform;mats: but presumably not because of the high-quality ways to spend time off work there ?
1158879;1433909385;mats;well no.
1158880;1433909396;decimation;asciilifeform: if stuck on base, you got a burger king, they are apparently universal
1158881;1433909425;asciilifeform;decimation: being locked in a castle where quality food means 'burger king' sounds like my mental picture of jail
1158882;1433909438;mats;lol
1158883;1433909457;mats;i had a whopper this week and couldn't finish it
1158884;1433909469;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I think that's kinda the idea
1158885;1433909473;trinque;it's not even food.
1158886;1433909479;decimation;your alternative is mystery meat from local orc
1158887;1433909509;asciilifeform;mats: one time when i was out of work for many months, i applied to be a... sysadmin in afghan. but was rejected, with polite letter that 'you gotta already be in the army.' for some reason this was not stated in the wanted ad.
1158888;1433909538;mats;lol
1158889;1433909545;decimation;asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to be a russian speaker there
1158890;1433909558;mats;where did you find ad? usajobs?
1158891;1433909560;decimation;I bet you would find all kinds of obscure and interesting facts
1158892;1433909566;asciilifeform;decimation: the office next to mine at old work was inhabited by a russian fella. with rank of major.
1158893;1433909574;trinque;heh, I bet the locals would love a russian speaker around.
1158894;1433909576;asciilifeform;(warrant officer, naturally, will never go near a war)
1158895;1433909600;asciilifeform;mats: some snakepit. perhaps one of these. can't recall presently
1158896;1433909620;decimation;major isn't warrant officer, that's field grade
1158897;1433909631;asciilifeform;perhaps i am thinking of wrong term here
1158898;1433909651;asciilifeform;what is it called in usa when you are nominally an officer, but only because you had ph.d. when you put on the uniform
1158899;1433909655;asciilifeform;and never sent to command anything
1158900;1433909674;*;asciilifeform checks dictionary. 'warrant officer'
1158901;1433909708;decimation;heh
1158902;1433909717;decimation;in the army 'warrant officer' is a specific rank
1158903;1433909721;asciilifeform;hm.
1158904;1433909726;mats;asciilifeform: sometimes regular officer
1158905;1433909758;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_officer_%28United_States%29
1158906;1433909759;assbot;Warrant officer (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MH3G0N )
1158907;1433909759;mats;through 'direct commission' e.g. med corps seeking doctors, nurses, other health professionals
1158908;1433909769;mats;also JAG
1158909;1433909776;decimation;yeah, they are 'officers' mostly in pay scale only
1158910;1433909781;decimation;I think they do a few weeks of basic
1158911;1433909785;asciilifeform;not only pay, but 'caste'
1158912;1433909793;asciilifeform;(e.g., he eats with officers, avoids beatings, etc)
1158913;1433909797;decimation;yeah, still get the 'customs and courtesies'
1158914;1433909800;decimation;lol beatings
1158915;1433909807;asciilifeform;is even permitted to grow fat
1158916;1433909820;mats;ha, yes.
1158917;1433909846;mats;get a 'walking profile' so you don't even hafta run the distance in fitness test.
1158918;1433909870;mats;is a vigorous walk but still... always made me chuckle.
1158919;1433909875;*;asciilifeform wonders where mats met these in the proper army
1158920;1433909877;trinque;my googling suggests it depends on the service
1158921;1433909885;mats;warrant officers
1158922;1433909898;decimation;asciilifeform: I've seen recruiters for medical folks for this kind of position
1158923;1433909912;mats;i spent some time loaned out like lawnmower
1158924;1433909957;asciilifeform;mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.
1158925;1433909999;asciilifeform;i imagine it will materialize when the nominal 'civilian control over army' evaporates
1158926;1433910004;decimation;asciilifeform: they used to do exactly this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidan_Camp
1158927;1433910005;assbot;Rapidan Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0BNT8 )
1158928;1433910016;trinque;order of magnitude or so of inflation I'd guess
1158929;1433910028;decimation;"The Marine Corps provided construction labor as a "military exercise."
1158930;1433910034;asciilifeform;l0l
1158931;1433910046;decimation;but that was 1929
1158932;1433910052;asciilifeform;and for potus
1158933;1433910059;decimation;today every labor union in the country would be up in arms
1158934;1433910073;asciilifeform;but not when mexicans build?
1158935;1433910090;asciilifeform;mexicans - 'a-ok' ; soldiers - no ?
1158936;1433910093;decimation;they are a class that is privledged with construction
1158937;1433910096;mats;all the joes would piss and moan, good luck getting anything done when they take smoke breaks every hour
1158938;1433910109;decimation;^ yeah they probably would do a shit job
1158939;1433910123;decimation;a pro mexican (or in your area salvadoran) framing team can frame a house in a day
1158940;1433910130;asciilifeform;mats: they have not yet invented beating-the-shit-out in u.s. army ?
1158941;1433910144;mats;its a new, softer army
1158942;1433910149;asciilifeform;l0lrmy
1158943;1433910153;decimation;asciilifeform: I think they gave that up in the 90's
1158944;1433910160;mats;old traditions are alive in select groups
1158945;1433910163;*;asciilifeform bbl
1158946;1433910175;mats;ranger regiment does it informally to clear out trash
1158947;1433910179;trinque;I spent a couple summers on air force bases in texas in the jrotc thing
1158948;1433910187;trinque;the officers on base seemed like college bros
1158949;1433910201;trinque;angry, pissy, well dressed college bros, but nonetheless
1158950;1433910204;mats;because they are
1158951;1433910209;trinque;did not enlist
1158952;1433910234;decimation;well, technically officers are commissioned, not enlisted
1158953;1433910251;trinque;did not enofficer either
1158954;1433910268;mats;hes doing it wrong again
1158955;1433910284;decimation;it's all bullshit anyway, why bother with the distinction
1158956;1433910302;decimation;some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english
1158957;1433910386;mats;dunno that i agree with that
1158958;1433910414;mats;somebody has got to drive the bus and another to read the map
1158959;1433910441;decimation;sure, but in centuries past the distinction was based on nobility vs. commoners
1158960;1433910462;mats;is this not the case?
1158961;1433910504;mats;going to college is a privilege
1158962;1433910508;decimation;heh
1158963;1433910584;decimation;I suppose what I am getting at is that having any kind of distinction at all flies in the face of usg's egalitarian sermonizing
1158964;1433910710;mats;i get it
1158965;1433910791;decimation;actually the fact that usg is weirdly reactionary is probably the only thing holding it together
1158966;1433910920;mats;i do not enjoy this game of catching the falling knife
1158967;1433910936;mats;where i remain resident in US
1158968;1433910953;mats;exciting, yes, healthy, no
1158969;1433910980;*;mats also off
1158970;1433912123;mircea_popescu;"Brian Krebs, who talks about the weird symbiotic relationship he has with the criminal underworld" orly ?
1158971;1433912130;mircea_popescu;can i has break now, plox gimme.
1158972;1433912185;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158726 <<< yeah, the pact two lamers made to proclaim each other cool is "a done deal". one nobody cares about, shillatron efforts notwithstanding.
1158973;1433912185;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:06:53; asciilifeform: eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'
1158974;1433912305;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158741 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157787
1158975;1433912305;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:16:13; asciilifeform: e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?
1158976;1433912305;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 13:07:45; mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.
1158977;1433912367;mircea_popescu;"As of 11-JAN-2015, this post has now been read by over 30,000 people." << wrong metric, i guess.
1158978;1433912461;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness... rp oliver dude was beyond kooky.  seriously, soviet conspiraci ?
1158979;1433913281;mircea_popescu;by the way, the history of the "national alliance" is one of the top keks in kook history. so, nazi-like thing created in the 70s by a physics prof. he died cca 2000. appointed successor some random schmuck, who managed to lose pretty much everyone's support over the ensuing decade. some other schmuck eventualy staged a coop. schmuck #1 declares fuhrerprinzip refuses to yield. most of the membership follows schmuck #2,
1158980;1433913282;mircea_popescu; because hey, new schmuck!!11
1158981;1433913327;mircea_popescu;except he gets nabbed for child pr0nz and perhaps underage rape. so organization goes back to schmuck #1, who now quits, because he had just married a stripper and "needs to spend time with his family", presumably servicing the black cock she's bringing home.
1158982;1433913356;mircea_popescu;http://www.erikasnydermakeup.com/about.html << she's now a "freelance make up artist" and none of the schmucks were ever heard from again.
1158983;1433913358;assbot;About ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUoeSc )
1158984;1433913734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00035971 = 16.0071 BTC [+]
1158985;1433914305;mircea_popescu;29-MAY-2002: Michel Houellebecq charged with inciting racial hatred for stating, in an interview, that Islam was “the most stupid of all religions”.
1158986;1433914315;mircea_popescu;lol k. houellebecq is a ways from being purged.
1158987;1433914365;mircea_popescu;fallaci nigh-on got national funerals when she died mid 2000s
1158988;1433914390;mircea_popescu;not a very good list this. a collection of derps (middle school teacher, seriously ?!) and reasonably known people who had little to nothing to do.
1158989;1433914537;mircea_popescu;the import of "derp" is noted tho, good for haus.
1158990;1433915193;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158770 <<< yeah, hiring, sure. as long as you can put up with being paid in confederate money while being stuck with fastfood management, it's hiring.
1158991;1433915193;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:38:39; asciilifeform: handle's usg is hiring.
1158992;1433915206;mircea_popescu;every pimp in baltimore is hiring on the same terms.
1158993;1433915219;mircea_popescu;job prolly a lot more fun, even without lube.
1158994;1433915287;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158783 << inb4 "no, the ~OTHER~ DoD". because ya know.
1158995;1433915287;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:40:40; trinque: the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/
1158996;1433915357;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158799 << no, no, the OTHER nsa.
1158997;1433915357;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:45:11; decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NSA-Salaries-E41534.htm < lol
1158998;1433915429;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158806 << except they're not THAT guaranteed, are they. gotta hope your party wins, for one. other party has its own hangers.
1158999;1433915429;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:46:32; asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.
1159000;1433915478;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158807 << yeah, sure, sure. meanwhile something awful lost its head of eve ops irl. no batallion.
1159001;1433915478;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:47:00; asciilifeform: herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'
1159002;1433915496;mircea_popescu;i guess they were all busy wiping this guy's kid's nose or something
1159003;1433915727;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158822 << i can guarantee that no part of the usg does this. the parts that should provably do not. the parts that aren't provable to not, do not actually exist.
1159004;1433915727;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:53:15; asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's
1159005;1433915740;mircea_popescu;the only thing silence means on this network is that there's actually no machine there.
1159006;1433915750;mircea_popescu;all connected machines - respond. as they shouldn't, myriad ways.
1159007;1433915787;mircea_popescu;the only reason the nukes haven't wandered off is that a) they're not actually flight worthy and b) they're not actually strategically useful.
1159008;1433915924;mircea_popescu;they'll fly off once the attention whores off social media get technically competent enough, which, barring any unemployed 40yo taxi drivers in fuckheadistan, pretty much means never.
1159009;1433916052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89655 @ 0.00035784 = 32.0821 BTC [-] {2} 
1159010;1433916113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27102 @ 0.00035688 = 9.6722 BTC [-]
1159011;1433916124;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158827 << contractor schmontractor. all the people that are even half-competent are working for options and warrants, not piddly fucking pay.
1159012;1433916124;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:54:32; decimation: "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."
1159013;1433916155;mircea_popescu;a salary is for the office cocksucker and for that twerp who actually sat through ALL FOUR YEARS of computer school.
1159014;1433916181;mircea_popescu;these are not even "bright and brightest" of the 20th percentile.
1159015;1433916366;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158831 << being a bureaucrat is much like being a housewife. it does, unerringly, without exception, require a broken brain.
1159016;1433916366;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:57:50; asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)
1159017;1433916396;mircea_popescu;one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.
1159018;1433916447;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158834 << generally speaking, prison's a better deal. sleep ad libitum, for one.
1159019;1433916447;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:58:58; trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life
1159020;1433916461;mircea_popescu;how many people do you suppose actually and deliberately go to jail ?
1159021;1433916744;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158924 << not so russian. what the roman army did in between the marian reforms and the utter collapse.
1159022;1433916744;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 04:19:17; asciilifeform: mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.
1159023;1433917413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158956 << if only. compare like things : some ditz with a degree in english with some derp with ten years' counterstrike experience
1159024;1433917413;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 04:25:02; decimation: some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english
1159025;1433919785;scoopbot_revived;Why I can't be bothered with Formula 1 anymore. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/why-i-cant-be-bothered-with-formula-1-anymore/
1159026;1433921135;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158421 <<< would ya bang her?
1159027;1433921135;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 19:41:12; shinohai: Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/
1159028;1433921485;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158555 <<< http://i.imgur.com/sJaLVBR.jpg
1159029;1433921485;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 00:01:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies
1159030;1433921486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnnPIo )
1159031;1433925507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62602 @ 0.00036736 = 22.9975 BTC [+] {2} 
1159032;1433927520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73702 @ 0.00035669 = 26.2888 BTC [-] {2} 
1159033;1433927642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91800 @ 0.00037106 = 34.0633 BTC [+]
1159034;1433927751;shinohai;5:00 AM bitcoin-ASSets girl: https://i.imgur.com/qw1nVyw.png
1159035;1433927754;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Hn8h )
1159036;1433928302;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Now you've got the aesthetic down
1159037;1433928370;shinohai;I promise one day #b-a will have a state-of-the-art fap bot full of such goodness.
1159038;1433928431;BingoBoingo;!s .bait
1159039;1433928432;assbot;850 results for '.bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=.bait
1159040;1433928446;BingoBoingo;^ previous bot's work in this area
1159041;1433928569;shinohai;That's where I got the idea for it. Finding high-quality material is a little difficult.
1159042;1433928658;shinohai;http://i.imgur.com/jYjCxVE.jpg
1159043;1433928659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoO56J )
1159044;1433929464;thestringpuller;"If Bitcoin was to be controlled by a popularity contest, we're pretty doomed."
1159045;1433929675;shinohai;Consensus at work
1159046;1433929778;wyrdmantis;materials for a qntra piece: http://qz.com/423739/mastercard-makes-the-case-that-its-safer-and-faster-than-bitcoin/
1159047;1433929779;assbot;MasterCard makes the case that it’s safer and faster than Bitcoin - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoPGtc )
1159048;1433929838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46332 @ 0.00035544 = 16.4682 BTC [-]
1159049;1433929921;BingoBoingo;wyrdmantis: Feel free to write it up. I'm taking part a Preet Bharara turd atm.
1159050;1433931180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73100 @ 0.00035155 = 25.6983 BTC [-]
1159051;1433931467;scoopbot_revived;Bharara Seeks To Prosecute Silk Road Trial Commenters http://qntra.net/2015/06/bharara-seeks-to-prosecute-silk-road-trial-commenters/
1159052;1433931478;BingoBoingo;^ I love that picture
1159053;1433933225;wyrdmantis;BingoBoingo article is almost ready
1159054;1433933232;BingoBoingo;cool
1159055;1433933236;BingoBoingo;thanks
1159056;1433933282;wyrdmantis;first time for me, how do i send?
1159057;1433933477;BingoBoingo;sent a pm
1159058;1433934451;shinohai;Good article, 1 grammatical error: It's judges like this that will be taken out and short. FTFY.
1159059;1433934474;BingoBoingo;shinohai: It's a quote
1159060;1433934493;shinohai;ah k
1159061;1433934596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92200 @ 0.00035247 = 32.4977 BTC [+] {2} 
1159062;1433935933;scoopbot_revived;MasterCard Requests Regulation Break Bitcoin http://qntra.net/2015/06/mastercard-requests-regulation-break-bitcoin/
1159063;1433937793;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMo6v_uFZKU wow such whoring. complete with peroxide blonde.
1159064;1433937793;assbot;Spice Girls - Headlines (Friendship Never Ends) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7Ya0T )
1159065;1433938160;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/dddoEjN.jpg
1159066;1433938160;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7YLzB )
1159067;1433938744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 2941 @ 0.00239993 = 7.0582 BTC [-] {5} 
1159068;1433939354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.0003515 = 29.4206 BTC [-] {2} 
1159069;1433939537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49754 @ 0.00035086 = 17.4567 BTC [-]
1159070;1433940174;punkman;http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100/
1159071;1433940176;assbot;Zachtronics  |   TIS-100 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnX7iP )
1159072;1433940871;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1159073;1433940875;gribble;Current Blocks: 360302 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 561 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49378249574.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.75851
1159074;1433940921;punkman;http://swedenreport.org/2015/06/02/goodbye-sweden/
1159075;1433940923;assbot;Goodbye Sweden | THE SWEDEN REPORT ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnZ2Ea )
1159076;1433941174;jurov;"american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised
1159077;1433941794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00035445 = 13.4691 BTC [+] {2} 
1159078;1433942410;funkenstein_;早上好比特�-财富人 <--  mornin' b-a
1159079;1433942462;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158673 <--  selector for what?
1159080;1433942462;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 00:35:40; asciilifeform: use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.
1159081;1433942549;funkenstein_;so i threw a coin at s.nsa the day of first phuctoring.. can't help but notice that was the last listed volume
1159082;1433942759;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158732 <--  interested parties might follow the story of one Russel Maroon Shoatz
1159083;1433942759;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:11:07; asciilifeform: aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)
1159084;1433942884;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158798 <--  always bothered me we still use the phrase "private sector" when the bill is paid by the public
1159085;1433942884;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 03:43:55; decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash
1159086;1433943178;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158990 << last i saw, the 'confederate money' buys a good bit of btc.
1159087;1433943178;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 05:46:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158770 <<< yeah, hiring, sure. as long as you can put up with being paid in confederate money while being stuck with fastfood management, it's hiring.
1159088;1433943311;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158998 << mircea_popescu is posting through a temporal modem from 1870s ? because 'spoils system' in usg civil service is long, long gone. nobody at nsa, usually not even the director (they don't stick around long anyway) worries about which party is in the white house.
1159089;1433943311;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 05:50:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158806 << except they're not THAT guaranteed, are they. gotta hope your party wins, for one. other party has its own hangers.
1159090;1433943362;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159000 << what was this ?
1159091;1433943362;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158807 << yeah, sure, sure. meanwhile something awful lost its head of eve ops irl. no batallion.
1159092;1433943414;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159003 << understand, they don't do it through deliberate choice, but inertia. nothing more recent than 'microvax' is (last i heard) approved for 'minuteman' rocket, etc.
1159093;1433943414;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 05:55:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158822 << i can guarantee that no part of the usg does this. the parts that should provably do not. the parts that aren't provable to not, do not actually exist.
1159094;1433943494;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159015 <--  one can simulate such a broken brain with a functional one dontcha think?
1159095;1433943494;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 06:06:06; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158831 << being a bureaucrat is much like being a housewife. it does, unerringly, without exception, require a broken brain.
1159096;1433943496;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159011 << this has to win some sort of prize for 'martial in atomic dirigible.' EVERYBODY i ever met in usa works for salary. i suppose it follows that neither i nor anyone i know in meatspace is 'even half-competent.'
1159097;1433943496;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 06:02:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158827 << contractor schmontractor. all the people that are even half-competent are working for options and warrants, not piddly fucking pay.
1159098;1433943506;asciilifeform;*martian
1159099;1433943559;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159017 << didja read last night's tale re: how i worked in the ultimate bureaucracy ?
1159100;1433943559;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 06:06:36; mircea_popescu: one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.
1159101;1433943576;funkenstein_;people say they work only for the money but in fact work is also done because it is worth doing
1159102;1433943596;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: i work for the money.
1159103;1433943604;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: i also do 'things worth doing' but nobody pays for those
1159104;1433943615;asciilifeform;or is ever likely to.
1159105;1433943684;asciilifeform;i suppose i should clarify, again, that i wasn't speaking of -actually working- as bureaucrat - that is, sitting in meetings, filing reports in triplicate. just that being paid to do, in effect, whatever the fuck you want, is almost like being rich.
1159106;1433943697;asciilifeform;and that you can get this, if lucky, in the bowels of u.s. dod.
1159107;1433943797;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.
1159108;1433943797;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 05:46:46; mircea_popescu: every pimp in baltimore is hiring on the same terms.
1159109;1433943797;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 06:07:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158834 << generally speaking, prison's a better deal. sleep ad libitum, for one.
1159110;1433943845;asciilifeform;brahmin would demand 'orbital' hazard pay just for -being in the same room- with an untouchable for a few hours.
1159111;1433943849;funkenstein_;allow me to hypothesize that what you do for the money is not totally useless
1159112;1433943866;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: i can guarantee you that it is. from the big-picture standpoint.
1159113;1433943877;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: allow me to explain. i work for something quite like an antivirus firm.
1159114;1433943880;funkenstein_;incidentally i have very little luck with this argument in UK
1159115;1433943957;funkenstein_;if one person appreciates what you do, my argument is proven
1159116;1433943985;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: i've met folks who 'appreciate' what preet bharara does. and obama. etc
1159117;1433943985;funkenstein_;!up Petit_Dejeuner
1159118;1433943993;funkenstein_;merci garçon
1159119;1433943995;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: does it follow that they are in 'useful work' ?
1159120;1433944032;funkenstein_;I think so.  Cocksuckers have their use.
1159121;1433944123;funkenstein_;what their use is to humanity is another question
1159122;1433944128;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: if you don't grasp the fact that some folks do work which ultimately helps destroy everything that is good and bright, i have very little to say.
1159123;1433944173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64520 @ 0.00036405 = 23.4885 BTC [+] {2} 
1159124;1433944205;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159076 << you know full well what kind of 'foreigners' sweden is importing, and why.
1159125;1433944205;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 12:59:34; jurov: "american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised
1159126;1433944234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38530 @ 0.00036902 = 14.2183 BTC [+]
1159127;1433944237;asciilifeform;standard socialist-flavoured cultural collapse.
1159128;1433944316;funkenstein_;very true, sadly..
1159129;1433944338;funkenstein_;and many of them have been fooled by this whole "work is for the money" nonsense
1159130;1433944587;asciilifeform;how the fuck do i even parse this.
1159131;1433944747;asciilifeform;did funkenstein_ miss the entire collection of threads re: 'the bezzle' (term from galbraith) ? and mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' essay? re: how imbeciles print money like toilet paper, and the only way to afford food & rent in usa is to work for the folks who get first or second dip into the freshly-printed bucket ?
1159132;1433944766;asciilifeform;(to a first approximation)
1159133;1433944780;funkenstein_;no no, sorry I speak to quickly as usual
1159134;1433944783;funkenstein_;*too
1159135;1433944894;funkenstein_;one needs to get the tokens to  pay for food and rent, this implies you have something to do with your tokens, not just working "for tokens"
1159136;1433944956;funkenstein_;and we usually need the tide variety
1159137;1433944963;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: there are folks who work for food and roof more or less directly (soldiers, mexican slaves.) it is useful to distinguish the categories.
1159138;1433944966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19634 @ 0.00036902 = 7.2453 BTC [+]
1159139;1433945014;funkenstein_;even in that circumstance it is useful to realize one has the option to starve and be homeless, which one should take over some jobs
1159140;1433945027;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: have fun with that
1159141;1433945070;funkenstein_;if you offer me "destroy what is good and bright or be homeless" I will gladly take the latter
1159142;1433945119;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: go, take. if you're gainfully employed in usa, you are almost certainly either one of the destroyers or supplying necessities to those who are.
1159143;1433945128;funkenstein_;Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly
1159144;1433945172;asciilifeform;'in its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.' (tm) (r)
1159145;1433945220;funkenstein_;lol, majestic
1159146;1433945265;funkenstein_;if I were so employed, perhaps I could be a useful mole for you.
1159147;1433945314;funkenstein_;but yeah, sometimes i think even the indirect handling of fiat would put me in the category of destoroyer
1159148;1433945345;funkenstein_;and so I should ask you lords, if this is a pardonable offense
1159149;1433945351;funkenstein_;in all seriousness
1159150;1433945422;lobbes;a lot of people here are in that category. 'if you starve enough' etc
1159151;1433945431;lobbes;I surely am in that category
1159152;1433945437;*;lobbes shrug
1159153;1433945455;lobbes;I like living, though
1159154;1433945591;asciilifeform;in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63016E43A530350EC983F09A74C50EC8E87FEB92F3DEAC355BE2E64CA7985921
1159155;1433945595;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dwj2bX )
1159156;1433945598;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dwj2sJ )
1159157;1433945603;asciilifeform;^^^ where the hell is my ticker ?!
1159158;1433945653;shinohai;another one bites the dust.
1159159;1433945664;asciilifeform;i dare to say these are more interesting than what happened every minute on 'havelock'
1159160;1433945669;asciilifeform;but that's just me
1159161;1433945675;*;kakobrekla agrees.
1159162;1433945676;lobbes;I'd agree
1159163;1433947589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119336 @ 0.00036935 = 44.0768 BTC [+] {2} 
1159164;1433947650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59454 @ 0.00037558 = 22.3297 BTC [+]
1159165;1433948199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94296 @ 0.00035948 = 33.8975 BTC [-] {2} 
1159166;1433950184;mircea_popescu;cazalla well, dja wanna quit ?
1159167;1433950202;mircea_popescu;i mean, people can quit, it's a job not a conviction.
1159168;1433950781;mircea_popescu;who/what is a bailey jay
1159169;1433950866;mircea_popescu;"So basically I like to follow the philosophy of Toaism and the concept of wei wu wei, the closest English translation apparently is "action without action" which basically means you don't do anything. "
1159170;1433950874;mircea_popescu;and why the fuck do i follow these reddit links even.
1159171;1433950880;mircea_popescu;one in a dozen or so is still too much
1159172;1433950894;mircea_popescu;toaism, aka sitoncouchism.
1159173;1433951066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00035086 = 17.9289 BTC [-]
1159174;1433951079;shinohai;http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Pinks-Anal-Brightening-Cream/dp/B007CLTKH4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348978283&sr=8-1&keywords=anal+bleach
1159175;1433951081;assbot;Amazon.com: Dr. Pinks Anal Brightening Cream - Natural Ingredients - No Hydroquinone - All Skin Types,50 ML/1.7 FL OZ: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ulHD )
1159176;1433951095;mircea_popescu;oooookays
1159177;1433951100;shinohai;"Your asshole is looking a little dingy my dear. Freshen that up, will ya?"
1159178;1433951142;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159046 <<< juuuust teh fact that mastercard perceives the need to make this case...
1159179;1433951142;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 09:49:38; wyrdmantis: materials for a qntra piece: http://qz.com/423739/mastercard-makes-the-case-that-its-safer-and-faster-than-bitcoin/
1159180;1433951161;mircea_popescu;glwt. housewives everywhere have been making the case that they are safer and faster than hitchhikers
1159181;1433951176;mircea_popescu;who ever fucks a housewife and who ever passed up the chance to wet it in random roadkill ?
1159182;1433951216;*;shinohai will dip his pen in whatever ink presents itself ...
1159183;1433951289;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159051 <<< ahahahaha fuckwit
1159184;1433951289;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 10:17:47; scoopbot_revived: Bharara Seeks To Prosecute Silk Road Trial Commenters http://qntra.net/2015/06/bharara-seeks-to-prosecute-silk-road-trial-commenters/
1159185;1433951314;mircea_popescu;dude do the stupid go to a special stupid school that makes them self defeating or what the fuck is it
1159186;1433951384;shinohai;Welcome to the land of the free, and the home of "What the actual fuck."
1159187;1433951805;wyrdmantis;!b 2
1159188;1433951805;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AJ2JRG.txt )
1159189;1433951955;mats;http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/92943/former-cia-director-were-not-doing-nearly-enough-protect-against-emp-threat << what.
1159190;1433951961;assbot;Former CIA Director: We're Not Doing Nearly Enough To Protect Against The EMP Threat | Peak Prosperity ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4wHGA )
1159191;1433952256;mircea_popescu;trinque wtf happened to teh deedbot yo!
1159192;1433952278;trinque;wut
1159193;1433952282;*;trinque checks
1159194;1433952283;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << there you go, a qntra exclusive.
1159195;1433952284;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4xDuu )
1159196;1433952371;mats;i loled
1159197;1433952430;mircea_popescu;curious how'll they sort this one out.
1159198;1433952451;mircea_popescu;ty!
1159199;1433952457;mircea_popescu;deedbot-  http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt
1159200;1433952458;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4xDuu )
1159201;1433952505;trinque;too many spaces for teh regex
1159202;1433952517;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt
1159203;1433952518;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ygEq )
1159204;1433952520;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1159205;1433952522;mircea_popescu;ah ok ty.
1159206;1433952525;trinque;np
1159207;1433952569;mats;i wonder who will be the first to be hanged for #b-a association
1159208;1433952606;mircea_popescu;i wonder how much time will elapse between t1 where we reach hanging parity and t2 when there's 100 usis hangings per historical b-a hanging
1159209;1433952624;mats;hue
1159210;1433952649;mircea_popescu;provided we stop at 100
1159211;1433952661;mircea_popescu;tho it kinda is historically the outer bound of responsibility.
1159212;1433952713;mircea_popescu;moreover, you need better stuff than shit assemblages to not crumble way before any sort of parity is to be had.
1159213;1433952749;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1159214;1433952790;ascii_field;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << l0l neato
1159215;1433952791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ygEq )
1159216;1433952840;mircea_popescu;no, seriously, i'm curious how the majesty of the turd statue is going to recover from something like that.
1159217;1433952848;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the usual way!
1159218;1433952864;mircea_popescu;no, not really. notice that they knew enough to try and do it in secret.
1159219;1433952865;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
1159220;1433952865;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1159221;1433952868;mircea_popescu;you know why this is.
1159222;1433952869;ascii_field;^ that's how
1159223;1433952876;mircea_popescu;oh, so i get legal immunity ?
1159224;1433952877;mircea_popescu;cool.
1159225;1433952883;mircea_popescu;hopefully now the rest of you know how that goes.
1159226;1433952894;ascii_field;the immunity of 'it never happened, move along'
1159227;1433952901;mircea_popescu;coolness.
1159228;1433952905;mircea_popescu;that's all the immunity i ever need.
1159229;1433952911;mircea_popescu;i hope their daughters lubricate well.
1159230;1433952980;ascii_field;their 'daughters' probably have shriveled syphilitic cocks.
1159231;1433952985;ascii_field;(if all else is any indication)
1159232;1433953005;mircea_popescu;all else is never an indication about daughters.
1159233;1433953089;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159189 << ancient scamatron. see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2014#951698  (and up a few lines)
1159234;1433953089;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 15:59:15; mats: http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/92943/former-cia-director-were-not-doing-nearly-enough-protect-against-emp-threat << what.
1159235;1433953089;assbot;Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
1159236;1433953232;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159063 << for a moment i expected it'd be gavin accepting some award for spice girls career achievement or something.
1159237;1433953232;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 12:03:13; jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMo6v_uFZKU wow such whoring. complete with peroxide blonde.
1159238;1433953389;mircea_popescu;"But what makes me the most pessimistic about Sweden’s future is how the social fabric itself has been undermined. " << heh. NORDIC SYSTEM!!11
1159239;1433953401;ascii_field;no meat without flies.
1159240;1433953402;mircea_popescu;like the mouse system. "it works for as long as there's cheese to eat".
1159241;1433953451;ascii_field;^ applies to all living things
1159242;1433953461;mircea_popescu;no. only applies to SOME living things.
1159243;1433953467;mircea_popescu;some other living things make their own cheese.
1159244;1433953480;ascii_field;out of grass
1159245;1433953482;ascii_field;etc
1159246;1433953508;mircea_popescu;do you feel particularly like twenty gallons of ocean water today or something ?
1159247;1433953533;ascii_field;approximately.
1159248;1433953538;mircea_popescu;yes eventually everything applies to all things. in this sense preet's a respectable fellow - hey, how many indians own their own suit ?!
1159249;1433953540;mircea_popescu;nevertheless...
1159250;1433953567;ascii_field;l0l
1159251;1433953575;ascii_field;i really can't help but wonder what motivates the man
1159252;1433953599;ascii_field;torquemada, as i understand, believed in god
1159253;1433953600;mircea_popescu;what motivates all quislings ever ?
1159254;1433953604;ascii_field;what does preet believe in ?
1159255;1433953608;mircea_popescu;a perceived social consensus and low self esteem.
1159256;1433953616;mircea_popescu;doesn't believe in anything, why should he ?
1159257;1433953629;mircea_popescu;there's a minimum bar to belief, and it's "not being made out of pressed shitboard"
1159258;1433953631;mircea_popescu;he doesn't pass it.
1159259;1433953636;ascii_field;because being inquisitor is something like work ?
1159260;1433953642;mircea_popescu;only to you.
1159261;1433953642;ascii_field;folks generally do work for a reason
1159262;1433953650;mircea_popescu;yes. a perceived social consensus and low self esteem.
1159263;1433953717;ascii_field;i'd imagine having men thrown in chains at one's say-so does something for 'self-esteem' ?
1159264;1433953732;mircea_popescu;and you'd be wrong.
1159265;1433953754;mircea_popescu;vast expanses of marble arches do nothing for the self esteem of the slavegirls chained there.
1159266;1433953764;mircea_popescu;yes, it's "their" palace, or in proper words their master's palace.
1159267;1433953788;ascii_field;it isn't clear to me whether preet understands that it isn't 'his' palace
1159268;1433953795;mircea_popescu;right.
1159269;1433953806;mircea_popescu;because self esteem built on self delusion works
1159270;1433953817;mircea_popescu;this is how the us became the most beloved, greatest and best country in the world.
1159271;1433953818;mircea_popescu;herp.
1159272;1433953933;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159086 << last i saw, you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158580
1159273;1433953933;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:32:58; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158990 << last i saw, the 'confederate money' buys a good bit of btc.
1159274;1433953933;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 00:09:38; asciilifeform: if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.
1159275;1433953940;mircea_popescu;at some point you'll have to reconcile the two.
1159276;1433953955;ascii_field;nothing to reconcile
1159277;1433953964;ascii_field;the confederate money just needs to be 'legitimated'
1159278;1433953970;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159088 << was briefly gone. it's coming back, and in a big way. ask around.
1159279;1433953970;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:35:11; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158998 << mircea_popescu is posting through a temporal modem from 1870s ? because 'spoils system' in usg civil service is long, long gone. nobody at nsa, usually not even the director (they don't stick around long anyway) worries about which party is in the white house.
1159280;1433954000;*;ascii_field knows buncha folks working in civil service, not one gives a flying fuck which party is in office
1159281;1433954014;mircea_popescu;are they consulting for $$$ or just taking living wage as zeks ?
1159282;1433954037;ascii_field;both
1159283;1433954042;mircea_popescu;strange.
1159284;1433954053;ascii_field;gotta understand, the dod mega-projects have lifespans of decades and contracted for $maxint in advance
1159285;1433954063;mircea_popescu;and the contractors keep getting shuffled.
1159286;1433954074;ascii_field;as one fella put it explaining to me, 'it doesn't matter if they elect the democrats, republicans, or lesbians. i get paid.'
1159287;1433954078;mircea_popescu;and whether the next budget overrun is going to be ok'd or not is always up in the air
1159288;1433954097;mircea_popescu;and while people might pretend like it's not the case, everyone depends on their contacts and the days of the dual-head contracts are coming to an end
1159289;1433954111;mircea_popescu;(which is what the recent  prosecutions around the govt of ny marks)
1159290;1433954147;ascii_field;'lockheed', 'raytheon', etc. laugh at the budget crap.
1159291;1433954159;ascii_field;they are attached straight to the bezzle reactor core.
1159292;1433954166;mircea_popescu;by what conduit ?
1159293;1433954188;*;ascii_field does not know, has not touched with own hands
1159294;1433954198;ascii_field;i suspect by the conduit of 'we get paid or the lot of you die'
1159295;1433954199;mircea_popescu;again, this is what the coumo associates prosecutions mark. not that it wans't a fact a while before.
1159296;1433954211;mircea_popescu;that conduit is politically vulnerable, whoever has the courts can send the guy up river.
1159297;1433954246;mircea_popescu;which is why i spend my time publicly humiliating bharara  rather than "the liberal lion elizabeth warren"
1159298;1433954254;mircea_popescu;or the set of schmucks over at state.
1159299;1433954265;mircea_popescu;either much softer, easier, lulzier targets.
1159300;1433954305;ascii_field;wake me up when there's a humiliated rockefeller.
1159301;1433954312;mircea_popescu;uh
1159302;1433954329;mircea_popescu;what, seriously ? that's your golden standard ?!
1159303;1433954339;ascii_field;nah just snap example
1159304;1433954359;ascii_field;rothchild, if you like more
1159305;1433954372;mircea_popescu;bad one, eh. what was the entire "we will herd you over at wh and tell you where to donate your money - it's not confiscation btw" episode than this ?
1159306;1433954382;mircea_popescu;all the young schmucks enthusiastically approving the obamaplans.
1159307;1433954392;ascii_field;that was done to middle class
1159308;1433954407;mircea_popescu;no, it was done to a collection of "scions" of rockefeller and rotschild and the like.
1159309;1433954409;ascii_field;rockefeller - laughs.
1159310;1433954412;mircea_popescu;orly.
1159311;1433954446;mircea_popescu;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/fashion/white-house-hosts-next-generation-young-and-rich.html << to make sure we're on same page here.
1159312;1433954449;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1wfaZ )
1159313;1433954449;ascii_field;mircea_popescu argues that -all of these folks- are in 'we'll show you what to sign, herr hindenburg' mode ?
1159314;1433954479;mircea_popescu;no.
1159315;1433954502;ascii_field;so there we go. the remaining ones are our $rothchilds
1159316;1433954509;mircea_popescu;they're in "we thank the party for its great idea to make an orphanage in our ex country house - we would have done the same if we were as smart as it" mode
1159317;1433954518;ascii_field;ah same thing
1159318;1433954520;mircea_popescu;and there's no remaining ones, except for this place.
1159319;1433954532;mircea_popescu;i guess similar thing yeah ok
1159320;1433954551;ascii_field;what of saud? brunei ?
1159321;1433954569;mircea_popescu;if you go abroad it gets complicated.
1159322;1433954576;ascii_field;or let's try the zaibatsus
1159323;1433954660;mircea_popescu;there's a large contingent of liberts (such as bharara, on the bureaucratic side, such as http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/ on the accounting side etc)
1159324;1433954661;assbot;Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWduTt )
1159325;1433954671;mircea_popescu;freed slaves with "a lot of money" or "power" or "influence"
1159326;1433954686;mircea_popescu;usually castrated prior to their ascension and torn to pieces by the crowd after.
1159327;1433954718;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1159328;1433954745;ascii_field;freed slaves aha.
1159329;1433954764;mircea_popescu;they're cheap.
1159330;1433954770;mats;http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns
1159331;1433954771;assbot;Jacob Torrey - My MiniLock Concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWdN0p )
1159332;1433954772;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-05-2015#1130032 << related
1159333;1433954772;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 05:12:34; decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "
1159334;1433954772;mircea_popescu;which is the point of all the immigration
1159335;1433954833;ascii_field;mats: gotta love the shitgnomatic pgptrons and truecryptrons
1159336;1433954845;ascii_field;'easy to use!! no keys files!!!'
1159337;1433954863;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there's a bit to go with that : the more or less official hymn of the romanian revolution, which is this thing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w (very neener tune, incidentally, much like the argentine's favourite thing - and btw those guys put the cap everywhere)
1159338;1433954864;assbot;Imnul golanilor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWe0kn )
1159339;1433954871;mats;if you put enough secret sauce in there, maybe no one will want to taste it
1159340;1433954876;ascii_field;aha the damned cap is everywhere
1159341;1433954885;mircea_popescu;it goes "better a hooligan than a communist" etc, and it specifically says "we do not wish for original liberty and other lies"
1159342;1433954888;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: didja know, even u.s. senate has it in their logo ?
1159343;1433954895;ascii_field;and (at least formerly) u.s. army ?
1159344;1433954896;mircea_popescu;the notion that anyone can have a peculiar, different, original liberty...
1159345;1433954925;mircea_popescu;mats myeah, exactly.
1159346;1433954926;ascii_field;mats: if i were fuhrer, i'd fire these louts. the crap isn't even -trying- to be plausible !
1159347;1433954942;mircea_popescu;"the limit on open source is the open sourcer's willingness and ability to read code - so put more code in there!11"
1159348;1433954961;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if you were fuhrer we wouldn't be at war in the first place.
1159349;1433954963;scoopbot_revived;Space travel isn't for you. There are no virgins there either. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/
1159350;1433954982;mircea_popescu;the only reason we're here is that they're too stupid to understand they need to negotiate, and yesterday, or for that matter to correctly evaluate their hand
1159351;1433955054;ascii_field;https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-June/007785.html << mega-l0lz
1159352;1433955056;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWeuqH )
1159353;1433955107;ascii_field;aaaand
1159354;1433955108;ascii_field;https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-June/007774.html
1159355;1433955109;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWeE19 )
1159356;1433955115;ascii_field;'Fwd: [Cryptography] Did Intel just execute its warrant canary ?'
1159357;1433955125;mats;^silliness
1159358;1433955145;mircea_popescu;ahahaah wait, INTEL had a warrant canary ?
1159359;1433955147;mircea_popescu;wtf is this roflmao
1159360;1433955155;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1159361;1433955158;ascii_field;hey, if apple could
1159362;1433955160;ascii_field;why not intel
1159363;1433955165;ascii_field;'right hand bites left hand'
1159364;1433955166;mircea_popescu;because intel's not cool.
1159365;1433955178;mircea_popescu;you understand ? beria may rape women off the street.
1159366;1433955200;mircea_popescu;the hero of the soviet union, marshall zhukov... no.
1159367;1433955221;ascii_field;now this one's a definite yes.
1159368;1433955638;ascii_field;mats: http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns << i -still- insist that if your brainwallet is crackable, you are a moron
1159369;1433955639;assbot;Jacob Torrey - My MiniLock Concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWfQkY )
1159370;1433955645;ascii_field;it is the ultimate 'iq test'
1159371;1433955650;ascii_field;with instant results
1159372;1433955670;mircea_popescu;iam not so convinced.
1159373;1433955682;ascii_field;tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender
1159374;1433955703;mircea_popescu;let's work this out. ascii_field would you agree that the mental cost PER UNIT of generating five random bytes is larger than generating six ?
1159375;1433955713;mircea_popescu;ie, that the marginal cost monotonically increases ?
1159376;1433955722;ascii_field;this is mistaken right off the bat
1159377;1433955727;mats;it can't be that hard
1159378;1433955729;ascii_field;they don't need to be generated on the spot
1159379;1433955731;mats;i use a memory palace
1159380;1433955735;ascii_field;^^^
1159381;1433955759;mircea_popescu;ok, we can aproach this one too.
1159382;1433955765;ascii_field;perhaps i generated it when i was 5 y.o.
1159383;1433955772;mircea_popescu;mats would you agree that your palace is standing ?
1159384;1433955787;mats;not sure where we're going with this, but ok
1159385;1433955789;mats;yes
1159386;1433955824;mircea_popescu;did i just make a prediction about your palace ?
1159387;1433955865;mats;no.
1159388;1433955868;mircea_popescu;...
1159389;1433955893;mats;perhaps i am not the right stand-in for this conversation...
1159390;1433955903;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1159391;1433955924;mircea_popescu;i dun really think so tho.
1159392;1433955946;ascii_field;go guess a bi- or tri- lingual macaronic poem that some fella wrote in his head as a boy.
1159393;1433955965;*;ascii_field ^ not my key, for what it's worth. but example.
1159394;1433955997;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but it was written in a language nevertheless, right ?
1159395;1433956004;ascii_field;macaronic
1159396;1433956009;mircea_popescu;and the argument here isn't about "guessing", it's about reducing entropy.
1159397;1433956010;ascii_field;so, in this example, at least two languages
1159398;1433956023;mircea_popescu;even so. constraints are present.
1159399;1433956028;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't stand for this in your cardano rng.
1159400;1433956033;ascii_field;i can 'reduce entropy' of mircea_popescu's pgp key by telling that the factors are odd. what of it.
1159401;1433956039;ascii_field;still doesn't reduce it -usefully-
1159402;1433956051;mircea_popescu;this obviously will only be verified in practice
1159403;1433956057;ascii_field;it is certain to be.
1159404;1433956058;mircea_popescu;as it's now an utility rather than a math argument
1159405;1433956103;ascii_field;as it is, i would not trust serious coin, were i to have any, to anything other than brainwallet operated with optical keyboard connected to soviet z80.
1159406;1433956110;ascii_field;in dark room.
1159407;1433956127;ascii_field;(proper rng for the nonces, naturally)
1159408;1433956150;mircea_popescu;oic
1159409;1433956151;mircea_popescu;k
1159410;1433956169;ascii_field;this is the -real- difference between btc and gold
1159411;1433956174;ascii_field;go and store gold in your brain.
1159412;1433956226;*;ascii_field can even imagine 'disposable' computer for operating brainwallets. thermite brick after each transaction signature.
1159413;1433956238;ascii_field;hey, z80 is cheap!
1159414;1433956243;ascii_field;go look, 'ebay'
1159415;1433956251;ascii_field;$1 or so from hong kong
1159416;1433956303;ascii_field;so no, i have no patience for the 'brainwallets suck because you are stupid' argument.
1159417;1433956383;ascii_field;incidentally, most people are already using the worst aspects of brainwallet -and- conventional crypto
1159418;1433956385;mircea_popescu;brainwallets provedly suck in te general case
1159419;1433956390;mircea_popescu;and i have my doubts about the particular case.
1159420;1433956399;ascii_field;in that they keep multiple copies of their key around on the planet (or worse, don't)
1159421;1433956413;ascii_field;and hence the location of key, and any symmetric decrypt password to it, -is- the brainwallet
1159422;1433956485;ascii_field;i am not sold on the 'probably suck' bit.
1159423;1433956489;ascii_field;*provably
1159424;1433956510;mircea_popescu;but you've seen the general public lose btc to weak "brainwallets" ?
1159425;1433956517;mircea_popescu;that's "the general case", what you tell urmom to do
1159426;1433956517;ascii_field;yes
1159427;1433956523;ascii_field;and i don't give a fuck about general public
1159428;1433956533;ascii_field;general public cannot and must not operate reactors
1159429;1433956539;mircea_popescu;aha well k then
1159430;1433956539;ascii_field;or cut own appendix
1159431;1433956554;ascii_field;reactor man - operates reactor. surgeon - appendix.
1159432;1433956560;mircea_popescu;the entire thing was mostly about instructing the bitcoin-lemmings (peeps who think themselves "the community") about where to not step on the tiger.
1159433;1433956569;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1159434;1433956776;ascii_field;my point is that everyone here is either using brainwallet in some form already (backup of your key in a postbox in japan, symmetrically encrypted with pw in your brain, and postbox # also in your brain) OR is one stint in pow camp away from 'civil death' (total loss of key)
1159435;1433956800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56729 @ 0.00035435 = 20.1019 BTC [+]
1159436;1433956847;ascii_field;so it is not a question of whether to use brainwallets - but whether to -also- use permanent copies of keys !
1159437;1433956917;ascii_field;i would also like to point out that framing the question of key quality in terms of 'bits of entropy' is slightly misleading
1159438;1433956929;ascii_field;because there are two kinds of 'entropy' here
1159439;1433956941;ascii_field;one kind of the strictly-quantifiable varieties (kolmogorov, shannon, etc)
1159440;1433956951;ascii_field;the other is actual 'guessability by enemy', a more nebulous thing
1159441;1433956968;ascii_field;my favourite example is 'digits of pi', which max out (1) while being rock bottom on (2)
1159442;1433957002;ascii_field;most defective (or subverted) electronic rng have similar property
1159443;1433957032;ascii_field;128 bits from first 1 petabyte of digits of pi will be guessed
1159444;1433957048;ascii_field;128 bits by a clever child in three languages - never
1159445;1433957060;ascii_field;even if kolmogorov complexity of both is equal.
1159446;1433957084;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i can see that angle.
1159447;1433957089;ascii_field;i urge mircea_popescu to eat some top ice cream and think of this.
1159448;1433957094;mircea_popescu;"machine-empowered brainwallet"
1159449;1433957119;ascii_field;machine is bonus. can hash on paper if you must.
1159450;1433957123;mircea_popescu;the disagreement mostly stems from definitions tho. what people mean when they say "don't use brainwallets for you are stupid" mostly reduces to redditard going on brainwallet.org
1159451;1433957124;ascii_field;(then - burn it.)
1159452;1433957274;ascii_field;i normally presume 'fella knowing what he's doing' as the subject of my ruminations.
1159453;1433957286;ascii_field;rather than 'will mr lamer shoot himself in the foot and blow away his entire torso'
1159454;1433958184;mircea_popescu;unsafe presumption :D
1159455;1433958772;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1159456;1433958777;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyqntra
1159457;1433958795;referredbyqntra;Thanks MP
1159458;1433958798;mircea_popescu;aha
1159459;1433958850;referredbyqntra;http://dpaste.com/1MXJF0H Popehat or rather CloudFlare banning gpg content
1159460;1433958851;assbot;dpaste: 1MXJF0H ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqkqtN )
1159461;1433958871;referredbyqntra;That's the response when I try to put your declaration in there.
1159462;1433958879;mircea_popescu;haha mmmmkay
1159463;1433958949;referredbyqntra;I tried with and without link to deedbot.org but it barfs the same. Maybe allergic to -----
1159464;1433958953;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1159465;1433958984;mircea_popescu;then again, this is kinda why we don't give a shit about the lot of them.
1159466;1433959015;referredbyqntra;I see.
1159467;1433959208;thestringpuller;i wonder how much irc traffic is referred by qntra/loper/trilema to here
1159468;1433959214;BingoBoingo;So much log
1159469;1433959684;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << there you go, a qntra exclusive. << To write up or paste verbatim?
1159470;1433959685;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoU1ei )
1159471;1433959701;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ah, not necessarily either, at your disposal.
1159472;1433960460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.015 = 1.5 BTC [+]
1159473;1433960461;scoopbot_revived;Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/
1159474;1433960643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39746 @ 0.00036001 = 14.309 BTC [+]
1159475;1433960823;mircea_popescu;poor reddit, stuck with this sad situation where it doesn't matter, and the people doing things are the people it hates.
1159476;1433960832;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> mats would you agree that your palace is standing ? << My memory palace doesn't abide by such quaint physical conventions
1159477;1433960845;mircea_popescu;yeah but he doesn't drink as much :D
1159478;1433960872;mats;pot arguably rots the brain moar
1159479;1433960898;mircea_popescu;the penis too
1159480;1433960928;mats;o rly
1159481;1433960932;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo mircea_popescu the text on that last qntra piece is overflowing instead of wrapping. it's broked.
1159482;1433960948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00036001 = 25.8127 BTC [+]
1159483;1433960955;mircea_popescu;prolly code element not playing well with long lines huh
1159484;1433960964;mircea_popescu;or pre or whatever's used
1159485;1433960990;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: What browser?
1159486;1433961029;BingoBoingo;wraps on all my browsers
1159487;1433961040;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ah, seems to be safari-specific
1159488;1433961046;pete_dushenski;serves me right !
1159489;1433961061;BingoBoingo;Fuck safari if safari can't implement web standards
1159490;1433961137;BingoBoingo;This isn't even derpy HTML5OMGWTFBBQBUTTSEX, this is simple fucking text presentation
1159491;1433961216;mircea_popescu;odd huh.
1159492;1433961221;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/08/g7-leaders-agree-phase-out-fossil-fuel-use-end-of-century? << look who's going back to the stone age. da g7 !
1159493;1433961222;assbot;G7 leaders agree to phase out fossil fuel use by end of century | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoZ7XY )
1159494;1433961232;mircea_popescu;"the interwebs doesn't worx ? oh, you must be on a different browser"
1159495;1433961260;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski feelings fusion to provide free energy soon
1159496;1433961286;pete_dushenski;also soon : mars colonisation
1159497;1433961302;pete_dushenski;because it works in theory.
1159498;1433961357;BingoBoingo;Behold the glorious CSS which makes the <pre> text wrap: http://dpaste.com/19Q4G0T
1159499;1433961358;assbot;dpaste: 19Q4G0T ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqpLkI )
1159500;1433961409;BingoBoingo;Mozilla 1999, IE 5.5+, Opera since version 4, also works on Chromium and Midori that I tested
1159501;1433961504;mircea_popescu;cool
1159502;1433961569;BingoBoingo;It is literally THE CSS snippet used everywhere to make <pre> text wrap. And safari chokes on it?
1159503;1433961634;pete_dushenski;like apple's ceo chokes on it. yes.
1159504;1433961789;mircea_popescu;Prior to this years HOPE conference, a few articles appeared touting Nadim Kobeissi's new project, miniLock and him and I got into a heated debate regarding some issues that I, as a certified non-cryptographer, was concerned about in his design (at least what I could gather from it from the pre-release Wired article). The essence of my concerns boiled down to the fact that in miniLock, Nadim is using the human user as
1159505;1433961790;mircea_popescu;the sole source for entropy in the ECC key generation. At the time of the debate, Nadim suggested I wait until the big unveiling at HOPE to pass judgement as he had some research into secure human-generated pass-phrases that he was going to share.
1159506;1433961792;mircea_popescu;HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.
1159507;1433961796;mircea_popescu;bwahaha o gawd.
1159508;1433961997;mircea_popescu;and yet the guy ends his very apt article with "You can also find me on Twitter and GitHub."
1159509;1433962021;mircea_popescu;why ? what exactly is the value of 2k followers that he would use the irreproducible value of his intellectual output to prop up twitter ?
1159510;1433962085;mircea_popescu;more interestingly, facebook has had it's "turner buys myspace" moment, a while back. the only way it's going now is to that same 99.999% "value" drop. so did twitter. recently, so did github. the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of the average imbecile, selling them and running off has completed with facebook.
1159511;1433962114;mircea_popescu;the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of your average 20something aspie "young professional" / marketing expert slut idem, with twitter.
1159512;1433962128;mircea_popescu;finally, the ignorant vouches of random geek has been sold, in github. what's left ?
1159513;1433962141;mircea_popescu;the empire's running out of shit to pretend like it stole.
1159514;1433962222;mircea_popescu;maybe instead of phasing out "fossil fuels" the g7 tards should get together and phase out the pretense of gargle-economy.
1159515;1433962262;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159090 ;;google Sean Smith
1159516;1433962262;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:36:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159000 << what was this ?
1159517;1433962392;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159094 << it's not merely that i don't think. i know they can not. you try simulating a limp with working legs, see where it gets you.
1159518;1433962392;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:38:14; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159015 <--  one can simulate such a broken brain with a functional one dontcha think?
1159519;1433962408;mircea_popescu;(and yes, i know these things from experience - i have the benefit that i can order slave girls do anything.)
1159520;1433962496;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
1159521;1433962496;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:38:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159011 << this has to win some sort of prize for 'martial in atomic dirigible.' EVERYBODY i ever met in usa works for salary. i suppose it follows that neither i nor anyone i know in meatspace is 'even half-competent.'
1159522;1433962589;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu current best theory is that 'gargleconomy' will generate enough heat to keep homes warms in the winter and enough feelgoodery to keep bellies full year-round.
1159523;1433962609;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159105 << no. being rich is not like that. being rich is like having the power to alter the course of the world, and the responsibility therein incumbent.
1159524;1433962609;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:41:24; asciilifeform: i suppose i should clarify, again, that i wasn't speaking of -actually working- as bureaucrat - that is, sitting in meetings, filing reports in triplicate. just that being paid to do, in effect, whatever the fuck you want, is almost like being rich.
1159525;1433962621;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski hey, it did it once or twice before...
1159526;1433962635;mircea_popescu;to quote the pawnbroker, "more like a stench, if i remember"
1159527;1433962651;pete_dushenski;quite so.
1159528;1433962687;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159107 << you're right, i have very little patience and give very little credit to the affectations of people. the usians are not special in this regard - like i don't give a shit for the argentines' or the romanians', similarly i don't give a shit there.
1159529;1433962687;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:43:17; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.
1159530;1433962690;mircea_popescu;caste schmaste.
1159531;1433962694;pete_dushenski;and being rich is most definitely not waking up at 7am every day to fill out paperwork and have coffee with a gaggle of geese
1159532;1433962711;pete_dushenski;which is what bureaucracy is.
1159533;1433962739;mircea_popescu;if the geese have nice tits...
1159534;1433962794;mircea_popescu;how's canada pimpin' these days btw ?
1159535;1433962829;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu quite well !
1159536;1433962838;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159107 << why shouldn't the poor blacks get some cheese ?
1159537;1433962838;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:43:17; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.
1159538;1433962840;pete_dushenski;summer is here at long, long last
1159539;1433962845;mircea_popescu;what, it hath been ordained for the "nordicx systems" only ?
1159540;1433962860;mircea_popescu;uh wrong url. i meant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159124
1159541;1433962860;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 13:50:05; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159076 << you know full well what kind of 'foreigners' sweden is importing, and why.
1159542;1433963041;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1159543;1433963083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98400 @ 0.00036128 = 35.55 BTC [+] {2} 
1159544;1433963152;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159506 << 'highly unknown' ?!?!
1159545;1433963152;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 18:43:12; mircea_popescu: HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.
1159546;1433963167;mircea_popescu;i agree, it is.
1159547;1433963205;ascii_field;i just love the weird twist of the tongue - symptom of some mental fissure, surely
1159548;1433963267;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159515 << ah, him. i think diametric knew the fellow. ask'im
1159549;1433963267;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 18:51:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159090 ;;google Sean Smith
1159550;1433963299;mircea_popescu;no need to ask nething really, it's all on public record.
1159551;1433963300;mircea_popescu;no batallion.
1159552;1433963319;ascii_field;battalion for some, for others - free burial
1159553;1433963326;mircea_popescu;this doesn't work as a theory.
1159554;1433963342;mircea_popescu;otherwise we'd still be on the pre-copernican astronomy.
1159555;1433963349;mircea_popescu;"revolution for some - ??? for others!"
1159556;1433963379;mircea_popescu;i can guarantee the schmuck in question had no "batallion", on the plain grounds that there isn't such a thing.
1159557;1433963393;mircea_popescu;the reason the potus "security" is such circus is exactly the reason oprah's pay is so advertised :
1159558;1433963409;mircea_popescu;to cover for the fact that i can go into the chambers of the ny comissioner for finance, and rape him.
1159559;1433963426;ascii_field;go steal mr o's 'football' then
1159560;1433963432;ascii_field;ought to be a convincing argument.
1159561;1433963436;ascii_field;esp. if it works.
1159562;1433963438;mircea_popescu;it does not trickle down.
1159563;1433963467;mircea_popescu;mr o's "football"'s security protects you, bharara, forrest and cuomo just as much
1159564;1433963470;mircea_popescu;which is to say not at all.
1159565;1433963485;mircea_popescu;the only true universal equality, the equality to zero.
1159566;1433963583;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159517 << again it is very easy to simulate the limp if -no one if checking- and it is enough to say 'yeah i limp' see the bureaucracy thread.
1159567;1433963583;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 18:53:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159094 << it's not merely that i don't think. i know they can not. you try simulating a limp with working legs, see where it gets you.
1159568;1433963596;mircea_popescu;it dun work thatway.
1159569;1433963596;ascii_field;*if no one is
1159570;1433963632;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it worked great. they pay you, and you sit in a broom closet and mostly do whatever.
1159571;1433963641;mircea_popescu;worked, yes.
1159572;1433963649;mircea_popescu;in the past. always in the past tense, this.
1159573;1433963677;ascii_field;well, i personally only witnessed ~3 yrs of it, on account of the garden of eden having went under
1159574;1433963694;mircea_popescu;which was in no way related to any politics
1159575;1433963697;mircea_popescu;it just.... happened.
1159576;1433963700;ascii_field;(i personally was only in it by accident, and one cannot replicate an accident)
1159577;1433963707;mircea_popescu;aha.
1159578;1433963732;shinohai;*one cannot replicate an accident
1159579;1433963751;ascii_field;did not say 'this is a mega-system that will last 10,000 years and build many fine pyramids.' but was trying to explain why a thinking person might voluntarily work for usg somewhere
1159580;1433963782;mircea_popescu;and the explanation comes out to "any girl can get so horny one night she fucks a dog"
1159581;1433963784;mircea_popescu;sure.
1159582;1433963810;ascii_field;because per -hour of Actual Work- they demand, you get $10,000.
1159583;1433963824;ascii_field;and yes, not at post office
1159584;1433963827;ascii_field;or patent office
1159585;1433963835;ascii_field;but .mil
1159586;1433963922;fluffypony;!up hegemoOn
1159587;1433963922;ascii_field;and yes, this reduces to 'mouse economy', lasts while there is cheese
1159588;1433963931;hegemoOn;hello there
1159589;1433963949;hegemoOn;i wanted to share this arxiv.org research paper on bitcoin : http://arxiv.org/abs/1506.01513
1159590;1433963950;assbot;[1506.01513] Social signals and algorithmic trading of Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSBr9Q )
1159591;1433963973;hegemoOn;pretty fresh (4 june 2015)??
1159592;1433964001;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << l0l mircea_popescu, last i checked i was paying rent with usd, 100% of which comes from the fine fella i work for at $dayjob.
1159593;1433964001;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
1159594;1433964032;mircea_popescu;ascii_field unrealised income is not for that reason automatically not income.
1159595;1433964037;mircea_popescu;accounting's a fascinating field.
1159596;1433964046;mircea_popescu;hegemoOn written by whom ?
1159597;1433964057;hegemoOn;David Garcia, Frank Schweitzer
1159598;1433964065;*;ascii_field engineer not accountant. so can't say 'submarine is powered by future energy.' it has to be powered by what is aboard.
1159599;1433964069;mircea_popescu;never heard of 'em.
1159600;1433964093;hegemoOn;Chair of Systems Design, ETH Zurich
1159601;1433964095;hegemoOn;Weinbergstrasse 56/58, 8092 Zurich, Switzerland
1159602;1433964115;mircea_popescu;whatevs.
1159603;1433964136;mircea_popescu;let the man learn enough about how to use a computer to get a gpg sig and register it with the bot.
1159604;1433964150;mircea_popescu;until that day, he can continue playing with the xbox or w/e it is he's doing.
1159605;1433964152;hegemoOn;whom ???
1159606;1433964157;shinohai;hue
1159607;1433964186;mircea_popescu;either david garcia or frank whoever, chair of whatever else.
1159608;1433964199;mircea_popescu;you were under the impression they're adults or something ?
1159609;1433964212;hegemoOn;mircea_popescu: i think most of bitcoin trade are outside wot :)
1159610;1433964227;mircea_popescu;you'd think that, sure.
1159611;1433964246;mircea_popescu;most africans thing the world is africa, for that matter, and so outside of the world.
1159612;1433964253;hegemoOn;but if you are not interested i can understand, just wanted to share a good paper :)
1159613;1433964334;mircea_popescu;!gettrust hegemoOn
1159614;1433964337;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=hegemoOn | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/hegemoOn/
1159615;1433964345;mircea_popescu;why's it good ?
1159616;1433964369;mircea_popescu;so many people trying to matter in bitcoin "on their own terms" producing so much junk that's - to them, no doubt - meaningful and important that's not worth reading
1159617;1433964381;mircea_popescu;what's so special about this one that made you click ? start with that part.
1159618;1433964397;mircea_popescu;on its own strength, two kids pulling their dicks in zurich aren't worth the time of day.
1159619;1433964442;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159523 << being rich, in my cosmography, simply means that your time is your own to do with as you please. everything else (starting wars, producing great inventions, etc.) is a cherry on the cake.
1159620;1433964442;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 18:56:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159105 << no. being rich is not like that. being rich is like having the power to alter the course of the world, and the responsibility therein incumbent.
1159621;1433964462;mircea_popescu;it dun work like that, not really.
1159622;1433964489;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it dun work thatway. << easy enough to give onself an actual limp for arbitrary periods of time.
1159623;1433964490;ascii_field;pray tell, how not?
1159624;1433964510;ascii_field;all i personally want out of a hypothetical 'be rich' is for my daylight hours to belong to me and only me
1159625;1433964525;ascii_field;with all else - constant
1159626;1433964535;mircea_popescu;take the sexual metaphor. sure, sexual freedom would supperficially appear to be that situation where "the cunt;'s your own to do as you please". however, the cunt so liberated from a context wherein cocks make demands upon it is not in any sense something for you to do as you please, it's just a painful bit of bleeding garbage enbittering your existence.
1159627;1433964554;ascii_field;^ i find this example utterly opaque
1159628;1433964557;mircea_popescu;(note that this example is gender-invariant)
1159629;1433964558;ascii_field;is it just me ?
1159630;1433964561;mircea_popescu;hm
1159631;1433964584;mircea_popescu;ok, something else then.
1159632;1433964618;mircea_popescu;horse's notion of freedom is "the ability to run where it will". nevertheless, absent a ground to push him up and an atmosphere to push him down, the horse's freedom's not quite what he imagined, but rather painful if short an affair.
1159633;1433964636;mircea_popescu;or, if you prefer, that chinese story where cocklet in love wished the entire world went away and was left with just his darling
1159634;1433964647;mircea_popescu;only to wish the world back into the picture piecemeal as the clock ticked seconds away
1159635;1433964651;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke
1159636;1433964658;*;ascii_field is an entirely unconvinced horse
1159637;1433964658;mircea_popescu;no such thing.
1159638;1433964698;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke << Once free of yoke it becomes necessary to "protect your neck" to keep the yoke away
1159639;1433964713;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: this is compiled into my definition of 'freed'
1159640;1433964727;mircea_popescu;well then your definition of freed is compiled on gcc
1159641;1433964730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84683 @ 0.00036257 = 30.7035 BTC [+] {2} 
1159642;1433964849;hegemoOn;can someone explain me what assbot just said ?
1159643;1433964858;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1159644;1433964884;BingoBoingo;hegemoOn: assbot tickered a transaction on the tapeophone
1159645;1433965035;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how much 'freed' is achievable by mortals can be debated, but i'd settle for mircea_popescu-grade 'freed.'
1159646;1433965069;hegemoOn;BingoBoingo: what kind of asset is it mpoe ?
1159647;1433965077;mircea_popescu;it comes with an obligation, unenforced but nevertheless perceived, to for instance http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159202
1159648;1433965077;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 16:08:37; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt
1159649;1433965085;mircea_popescu;is that a yoke ? if not, why not.
1159650;1433965103;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i get it, 'heavy is the crown' etc
1159651;1433965112;mircea_popescu;heavy is the frigian cap more like it.
1159652;1433965121;ascii_field;i'll take that 'heavy'
1159653;1433965129;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe
1159654;1433965129;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034281 / 0.00036145 / 0.00037646 (3520048 shares, 1,272.34 BTC), 7D: 0.00031083 / 0.00034987 / 0.00037646 (42475653 shares, 14,861.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00023904 / 0.00030515 / 0.00037646 (139278699 shares, 42,501.20 BTC)
1159655;1433965131;mircea_popescu;alrighty then. so apparently alf is a very convinced horse ?
1159656;1433965139;BingoBoingo;^ hegemoOn that one
1159657;1433965145;ascii_field;crown != yoke
1159658;1433965149;mircea_popescu;orly.
1159659;1433965157;hegemoOn;it's a "futur" ?
1159660;1433965162;lobbes;still, you have the freedom to throw the crown off and sit on thumbs for a year
1159661;1433965166;BingoBoingo;hegemoOn: It's a stock
1159662;1433965166;mircea_popescu;hegemoOn do they have google in your country ?
1159663;1433965167;ascii_field;^^
1159664;1433965179;hegemoOn;mircea_popescu: no just yahoo
1159665;1433965189;mircea_popescu;lol
1159666;1433965195;ascii_field;if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems
1159667;1433965199;BingoBoingo;hegemoOn: Look at that 30 day volume though
1159668;1433965209;mircea_popescu;lobbes sure. and in exchange, should you choose to do that, you get to see how they're "phasing out" grassland
1159669;1433965214;mircea_popescu;or whatever the shit they come up with next.
1159670;1433965231;mircea_popescu;sitting on thumbs and stroking cocks over "FOSS!111" has resulted in pretty much unusable software.
1159671;1433965233;thestringpuller;"Even as an avid Bitcoiner, I can't stand waiting for bitcoinqt to sync. Makes me wonder if Gavin/Mike sabotaged it." via https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/608621825703223296
1159672;1433965259;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely certain that 'we' (en masse) -ever- had 'usable software'
1159673;1433965288;mircea_popescu;ms-dos worked.
1159674;1433965293;trinque;ascii_field | if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems << and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal
1159675;1433965295;mircea_popescu;and it WAS open source.
1159676;1433965307;mircea_popescu;aha trinque gets it
1159677;1433965335;ascii_field;ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.
1159678;1433965338;ascii_field;it wasn't fun
1159679;1433965357;lobbes;and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal << just keep running? debatable if that is true freedom, but arguably you wouldn't run out of places to run before end of life
1159680;1433965376;mircea_popescu;lobbes this is EXACTLY what wall street has tried, 1945 - 2015
1159681;1433965394;mircea_popescu;if you think "they" have a different set of problems... they don't.
1159682;1433965496;ascii_field;what problems in particular ?
1159683;1433965500;*;ascii_field a bit puzzled
1159684;1433965513;shinohai;heh https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/608623448974307328
1159685;1433965522;shinohai;*is interesting
1159686;1433965673;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in this case, the "running" he describes.
1159687;1433965701;ascii_field;who is rothchild running from ?
1159688;1433965897;scoopbot_revived;OldApps.com under attack, or this is why you checksum. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/oldapps-com-under-attack-or-this-is-why-you-checksum/
1159689;1433965941;pete_dushenski;^started with "safari sucks a bag o' dix"
1159690;1433965984;pete_dushenski;ended with a planted file on a website hosting old versions of browsers, irc clients, etc.
1159691;1433965985;mircea_popescu;o.O
1159692;1433965996;mircea_popescu;didja email  them ?
1159693;1433966020;pete_dushenski;not yet. will now.
1159694;1433966025;mircea_popescu;ascii_field me.
1159695;1433966168;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Give midori a go. Just keep in mind its SSL implementation is especially retared so http is not going to really offer much of an illusion even of protection
1159696;1433966175;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: wake me up when you catch him. i'd like a finger or toe as keychain.
1159697;1433966193;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: can haz the payload plz ?
1159698;1433966250;pete_dushenski;ascii_field http://www.oldapps.com/mac/firefox.php?old_firefox=14820 << click the floppy disk icon
1159699;1433966251;assbot;Old Version of Firefox 29.0 Download - OldApps.com for Mac ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqzyY7 )
1159700;1433966256;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: no
1159701;1433966261;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: i want -your- binary
1159702;1433966264;ascii_field;with signature
1159703;1433966273;ascii_field;who the fuck knows what is hosted at this moment.
1159704;1433966282;pete_dushenski;good point.
1159705;1433966292;ascii_field;don't ever think of the enemy as a mechanism
1159706;1433966358;pete_dushenski;gimme a sec.
1159707;1433966368;BingoBoingo;Ah, meter reading day.
1159708;1433966697;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1159709;1433966802;danielpbarron;goodwill is my new favorite store! just picked up 5 pairs of shorts and 3 cat5e+ cables for under 30 USD
1159710;1433966900;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: I still favor Rural king where you can get flowers, carhart, circus peanuts, and an AR-15 in the same trip
1159711;1433966918;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: sounds expensive
1159712;1433966948;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Prolly would be. Never picked up that last item from there, but it is possible.
1159713;1433967027;shinohai;My closest solution to a decent fap bot thus far are categorized rss feeds.
1159714;1433967081;BingoBoingo;Another hypothetical Rural king shopping trip is beef jerky, well drilling apparatus, unsinkable brown water vessel, and hay.
1159715;1433967478;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?
1159716;1433967507;nubbins`;dat time when -otc failed to produce a buyer for a lowly 1btc sell and nubs had to rely on circle
1159717;1433967571;danielpbarron;i woulda bought it
1159718;1433967581;mod6;hey nubbins`, did you ever see that issue on gentoo that I was talkin about lastnight?
1159719;1433967592;nubbins`;i don't think so, log me up
1159720;1433967596;nubbins`;danielpbarron you still can
1159721;1433967599;danielpbarron;aha
1159722;1433967635;nubbins`;;;ticker
1159723;1433967637;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.72, Best ask: 229.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 229.0, 24 hour volume: 10489.59325785, 24 hour low: 227.48, 24 hour high: 230.02, 24 hour vwap: None
1159724;1433967651;mod6;I haven't looked too deep into it, maybe something I missed. I did apply your & ascii's patches.  http://dpaste.com/0DSP4BS.txt
1159725;1433967652;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqDBUl )
1159726;1433967667;nubbins`;that's a new one for me
1159727;1433967668;mod6;I'm using uclibc, so far going well.
1159728;1433967670;mod6;ok.
1159729;1433967680;nubbins`;are you using the buildroot toolchain?
1159730;1433967691;nubbins`;or targeting gentoo
1159731;1433967692;mod6;I did have to copy over all of the openssl headers as you were saying once upon a time, but maybe i'm missing something else.
1159732;1433967712;mod6;no, its just straight v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, i'll get to buildroot eventually.
1159733;1433967782;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159715 << now, i didn't see with own eyes. nor do i have own intel dept. like mircea_popescu. but from the evidence presently known to me - yes.
1159734;1433967782;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 20:17:58; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?
1159735;1433968002;hanbot;<asciilifeform> http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial << i do remember, yeah. results of recommended consideration are grotesque for sure. all the more reason to hang out in here.
1159736;1433968003;assbot;Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqEqfP )
1159737;1433968132;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/jnkJfnc
1159738;1433968133;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMQAj2 )
1159739;1433968283;BingoBoingo;Fuck you reddit. The one time there is something almost worthwhile they kill it https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate
1159740;1433968284;assbot;fatpeoplehate: this subreddit has been banned ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMQQP4 )
1159741;1433968304;nubbins`;heh
1159742;1433968307;nubbins`;fat people hate?
1159743;1433968332;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/FirefoxSetup29.exe.asc << ascii_field
1159744;1433968359;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: i thought this was a mac binary ?!
1159745;1433968370;pete_dushenski;you thought wrong !
1159746;1433968374;BingoBoingo;Even fucking /r/fatlogic was banned.
1159747;1433968376;ascii_field;and did you just clearsign a binary!?!??!
1159748;1433968376;pete_dushenski;see my article
1159749;1433968377;ascii_field;l0l!
1159750;1433968382;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Indeed
1159751;1433968399;ascii_field;plz post virginal binary, with detached sig
1159752;1433968409;ascii_field;this one is not usable and i'm surprised your pgptron agreed to shit it out
1159753;1433968425;BingoBoingo;The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.
1159754;1433968429;pete_dushenski;lol one sex.
1159755;1433968430;ascii_field;(dashes removed, newlines swapped, other things which do not make for a usable winblows exe)
1159756;1433968455;pete_dushenski;ascii_field and there's no detached sig, only checksums
1159757;1433968640;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1159758;1433968660;pete_dushenski;i gotta jet. i'll post it up later. cheers
1159759;1433968718;nubbins`;clearsigned bin :0
1159760;1433968741;nubbins`;no wonder pete has an attitude, he obv doesn't give a fuck :D
1159761;1433969413;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2014#642266 << broken again
1159762;1433969413;assbot;Logged on 25-04-2014 11:29:00; random_cat: mircea_popescue:  <a href="http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net/">here</a> on http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR is apparently invalid
1159763;1433969435;danielpbarron;;;later tell davout ^
1159764;1433969435;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1159765;1433969485;danielpbarron;I'm curious as to how this future thing works through coinbr
1159766;1433969519;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Last I heard Jurov shows up at you case with a suitcase full of euros
1159767;1433969534;danielpbarron;that's if you have a key registered with MPEx
1159768;1433969541;danielpbarron;oh you said jurov
1159769;1433970397;mircea_popescu;hm yeh dead huh.
1159770;1433970438;ascii_field;;;later tell pete_dushenski i got it, but you oughta post it publicly.
1159771;1433970438;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1159772;1433971041;shinohai;greetings danielpbarron o/ No news from the wonderful world of bitcoind?
1159773;1433971055;BingoBoingo;http://slimgur.com/
1159774;1433971059;assbot;SLiMGUR - A Shitlord Image Host ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxsFqR )
1159775;1433971083;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1159776;1433971086;ascii_field;wtf is a 'shitlord'
1159777;1433971229;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: It's what the social justice types call people who act like people. It was used as a slur too often and now people wear the title shitlord with pride.
1159778;1433971241;danielpbarron;shinohai, my 0.5.3.x pogo is 6 blocks behind my 0.7.2 full size machine, and I'm not sure if it's because the network doesn't like two nodes asking for the same blocks from the same IP or what
1159779;1433971252;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: A shitlord is basic anti-stupid
1159780;1433971258;BingoBoingo;in some form or another
1159781;1433971262;trinque;can confirm, am unrepentant shitlord
1159782;1433971265;shinohai;You got me interested in that pogo thingy. I got one ordered.
1159783;1433971283;shinohai;My other node, however, hums along perfectly of late.
1159784;1433971300;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << re: "high functioning autism" -- I just found out about this internet phenomenon -> https://youtu.be/wEKLxgRJnAc?t=2m20s
1159785;1433971300;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
1159786;1433971301;assbot;(NSFW) "For J-R's Eyes Only.MOV" A.K.A. PUSSY EATING 102 [4/19/10] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtfFb )
1159787;1433971408;mircea_popescu;ascii_field originally it was supposed to be some thing really cool 19yo girls with a modelling/pr career say about socially marginal, sexually undesirable geeks. five to ten years later it emerged as the new cool.
1159788;1433971423;mircea_popescu;you know, like "faggot"
1159789;1433971430;mircea_popescu;actually... perhaps more like "punk"
1159790;1433971472;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a5a81f7354b3aa3e797d973a7e6840f0e50e6533 << What the fuck. LibreSSL syncs fine
1159791;1433971473;assbot;configure: Detect (and reject) LibreSSL · bitcoin/bitcoin@a5a81f7 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtHTK )
1159792;1433971483;mircea_popescu;lmao wut ?
1159793;1433971511;mircea_popescu;herp, luke being luke.
1159794;1433971673;davout;danielpbarron: werks nao
1159795;1433971689;davout;deedbot-: http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net
1159796;1433971689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxuiVK )
1159797;1433971690;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1159798;1433971700;davout;while we're at it
1159799;1433971705;shinohai;http://tpbit.blogspot.ca/2015/06/handling-bitcoins-during-hard-fork.html
1159800;1433971706;assbot;ThePiachu's Bitcoin Blog: Handling bitcoins during a hard fork - pondering Bitcoin XT ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxukgh )
1159801;1433972123;trinque;still chewing on that discussion of freedom
1159802;1433972130;trinque;I tend to think it's a bad concept to work with
1159803;1433972169;ascii_field;trinque: when you have ebola, your concept of health turns into 'not having ebola'
1159804;1433972174;ascii_field;this is both reasonable and practical.
1159805;1433972190;ascii_field;i know exactly what i want to be free of.
1159806;1433972207;trinque;right, one can consider being liberated from a particular shackle
1159807;1433972330;trinque;particularly considering human societies, do I want to be "totally free" whatever that means, playing cards on the worlds nicest beach, or do I want to be a part of the best-functioning giant human meat robot
1159808;1433972416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178911 @ 0.00036883 = 65.9877 BTC [+] {4} 
1159809;1433972420;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHKc3liU0AAMckE.jpg << check out my new business card (sorry nubbins` I'm not ready to be a baller yet)
1159810;1433972421;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGLvtA )
1159811;1433972427;trinque;I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism
1159812;1433972482;shinohai;nice danielpbarron
1159813;1433972484;trinque;probably not getting it across
1159814;1433972517;BingoBoingo;Reddit kinda lulzy at the moment shitlords are revolting against the admins https://www.reddit.com/r/all/
1159815;1433972518;assbot;all subreddits ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGLOED )
1159816;1433972541;trinque;the highest good being some kind of infinite individual liberation sounds like something we crapped into the mental ether
1159817;1433972619;ascii_field;trinque: it is what folks with ideas of their own generally want
1159818;1433972624;*;danielpbarron upvotes it all in total disregard for reddiquette
1159819;1433972639;ascii_field;i, for instance, have sufficient undeveloped inventions to occupy me were i to live even 10,000 years
1159820;1433972699;trinque;are you free of your desire to invent, or does it viscerally urge you without asking first?
1159821;1433972707;ascii_field;what do you think.
1159822;1433972942;trinque;!up ascii_field
1159823;1433972966;trinque;that I can choose to ignore my desires or not, but I have not yet found the controls if any for desiring itself
1159824;1433972977;trinque;they just seem to be there, built in
1159825;1433972999;trinque;this in my ignorance, I think, grasps for an explanation for why the rich don't simply count their gold all day
1159826;1433973017;ascii_field;trinque: see mircea_popescu's example about 'drinking the sea'
1159827;1433973021;hanbot;trinque what does it matter if you have visceral urges or not, beyond using them as a diagnostic to tell whether or not you're alive?
1159828;1433973026;ascii_field;thirsty man thinks he wishes to 'drink the sea'
1159829;1433973165;trinque;hanbot: it's not a question of mattering
1159830;1433973168;trinque;they *are*
1159831;1433973266;trinque;I take a breath because thats what a functioning human body does
1159832;1433973274;hanbot;yeah. but what of it? you can understand them and act rationally, or not. what else is there?
1159833;1433973295;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> i know exactly what i want to be free of. << my tao cat smile is thiiiiis wide
1159834;1433973322;mircea_popescu;hint : you're well aware that eliberation is not necessarily the path to freedom. nuland's all about eliberations after all :D
1159835;1433973510;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159753 << you know they could just go to 8chan and leave the corporapizde be.
1159836;1433973510;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 20:33:45; BingoBoingo: The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.
1159837;1433973520;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living
1159838;1433973528;ascii_field;so no one can say that i speak of hypotheticals.
1159839;1433973531;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There's a settlement of diaspora folk there
1159840;1433973672;BingoBoingo;https://8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/
1159841;1433973674;assbot;/fatpeoplehate/ - We hate fatties ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfB3p6 )
1159842;1433973687;mircea_popescu;seems an imageboard way more adequate than reddit for the purpose anyway
1159843;1433973763;mircea_popescu;and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason.
1159844;1433973778;trinque;hanbot: there's why bother to live in the first place, and act at all
1159845;1433973807;trinque;not something I can say to you, in my case
1159846;1433973807;hanbot;ascii_field i suspect the point is less about the where you are and more about the who you are. whatever gets to you in the present scenario will follow you to free-time-land or anywhere else, though probably in costume.
1159847;1433973815;ascii_field;possibly mircea_popescu did not know this, but in usa 'fat' is a proxy for other things (mainly caste-related)
1159848;1433973825;trinque;people-of-walmart ?
1159849;1433973825;mircea_popescu;fat has always been this.
1159850;1433973835;mircea_popescu;like, women with long nails -> do not need to work -> etc
1159851;1433973939;trinque;hanbot: something along the lines of "because the meat robot is programmed that way" way lower than whatever is having a conversation with itself
1159852;1433973988;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: except we have it here in reverse. in usa, grotesque fat is (in recent decades; not speaking of president taft etc) seen as a sign of poverty (not in the no-money sense, but in the offensively-stupid-poor (tm) )
1159853;1433974033;mircea_popescu;aha. the macula of welfare.
1159854;1433974037;ascii_field;(the 'why' is a separate subject, but it is not a baseless notion)
1159855;1433974045;mircea_popescu;"you may eat for free, but the food will make you stay here"
1159856;1433974058;ascii_field;(tm) (r) hades
1159857;1433974072;mircea_popescu;but mind that reverse-indication is still not different indicatively.
1159858;1433974081;mircea_popescu;whether fat = rich or fat = poor, fat signifies.
1159859;1433974083;ascii_field;in that sense yes
1159860;1433974089;ascii_field;they just flipped the sign bit.
1159861;1433974099;mircea_popescu;and judging by signifiers rather than by realities is exactly the path to perdition
1159862;1433974171;mircea_popescu;this is the crux of the entire discussion (of all text, as it were) : the ought/is debate is exactly this, observing the perils of judging by signifiers.
1159863;1433974176;mircea_popescu;the cause/purpose idem.
1159864;1433974187;mircea_popescu;the map/territory observation, idem.
1159865;1433974193;ascii_field;!s name of the song
1159866;1433974194;assbot;3 results for 'name of the song' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=name+of+the+song
1159867;1433974201;mircea_popescu;in the end, whosoever references pointers is going to end up with bitrot.
1159868;1433974220;mircea_popescu;but yes, it is "faster". and of course "cheaper"
1159869;1433974224;ascii_field;;;google Haddocks' Eyes
1159870;1433974225;gribble;Haddocks' Eyes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks'_Eyes>; Haddocks' Eyes?: <http://www.haddockseyes.com/>; Haddocks' Eyes - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXBwWYFTcbE>
1159871;1433974227;mircea_popescu;and we might be able to spend our entire lives running from it
1159872;1433974232;mircea_popescu;or maybe not.
1159873;1433974260;hanbot;trinque i'm sure it's a worthwhile investigation :)
1159874;1433974299;trinque;been up one wall of my skull and down the other; I may be a barbarian
1159875;1433974319;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason. << Hate is an emotional reaction, in this case to aesthetics
1159876;1433974355;lobbes;is a learned reaction, I would argue
1159877;1433974371;ascii_field;notice that nobody really hates other kinds of deformed folks
1159878;1433974376;ascii_field;e.g. paraplegics
1159879;1433974381;ascii_field;hence the caste connection
1159880;1433974396;mircea_popescu;i imagine the same thing drives people to kill cockroaches / rats / assorted vermin, to wash, to choose their sex mates and to reject fatties.
1159881;1433974402;mircea_popescu;it offends a sense of order.
1159882;1433974413;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this is especially cartoon-coloured vivid in children
1159883;1433974420;mircea_popescu;ascii_field plenty of people do, actually. children certainly impulsivley hate all abnormality.
1159884;1433974425;ascii_field;this - yes
1159885;1433974425;mircea_popescu;aha!
1159886;1433974430;shinohai;so no BBW porn in the bot. got it.
1159887;1433974434;mircea_popescu;lol
1159888;1433974436;trinque;wah ha ha
1159889;1433974448;trinque;mircea_popescu: that sense of order thing might have something to do with what I'm babbling about
1159890;1433974458;trinque;the kids hate weird because.
1159891;1433974470;trinque;sure I have a rational reason for not wanting to be near someone sneezing
1159892;1433974477;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1433969031770-0.jpg << kinmda lulzy. who's the bespectacled geek ?
1159893;1433974477;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7jokr )
1159894;1433974484;trinque;doesn't mean that's what hit me first, or caused me to consider it in the first place
1159895;1433974505;shinohai;Chairman Ellen Pao
1159896;1433974514;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The Pao chick who is their new CEO, the one suing their former employer for insufficient promotions
1159897;1433974518;trinque;reality gives you the options, then you select
1159898;1433974522;trinque;there's no freedom to define reality itself
1159899;1433974528;mircea_popescu;oh
1159900;1433974617;BingoBoingo;But yes this obese underclass is typically refered to as hamplanets, they routinely exceed 350 pounds.
1159901;1433974626;BingoBoingo;It's the corn thing.
1159902;1433974628;shinohai;mircea_popescu should buy reddit and force her to wax floors or something
1159903;1433974631;mircea_popescu;if only it were ham
1159904;1433974633;mircea_popescu;it's usually lard.
1159905;1433974648;mircea_popescu;why would i bother / expend effort and energy to serve her ?
1159906;1433974818;mircea_popescu;anywya, i'm not gonna post on 8chan seeing how i still olathe captchas, but here's my contribution to resolving the conflict & fat acceptance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3tGgD4nMk
1159907;1433974819;assbot;Animaniacs - Schnitzelbank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7jXuo )
1159908;1433974862;mircea_popescu;(nordic system)
1159909;1433974889;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living <<< wait now, you've been getting it this whole time? :/
1159910;1433974909;mircea_popescu;lol
1159911;1433974925;mircea_popescu;he's perverse isn't he.
1159912;1433974947;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1159913;1433974955;ascii_field;what's so perverse here, l0l
1159914;1433975164;nubbins`;"fat people hate" = zzzz
1159915;1433975219;nubbins`;imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes
1159916;1433975226;nubbins`;how depressing
1159917;1433975339;mircea_popescu;how's this different from "imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into dirtying paper"
1159918;1433975457;lobbes;ah, is this the cause/purpose thing again?
1159919;1433975513;lobbes;I guess if one genuinely enjoys making shame memes, go for it
1159920;1433975529;lobbes;just don't delude yourself that it is towards a purpose
1159921;1433975624;mircea_popescu;what, dja think those people imagine they're making a better world ?
1159922;1433975629;mircea_popescu;i thought that's the libertard fallacy.
1159923;1433975688;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski and ben_vulpes are pretty cool though so I feel bad if I hate jooz nao. Hating on smelly butter golems though is fine.
1159924;1433975696;trinque;lol
1159925;1433975708;ascii_field;i'm happy to settle for the dream of making a -worse- world - for the enemy.
1159926;1433975727;ascii_field;good enough motivator for damn near everything i work on
1159927;1433975761;lobbes;BingoBoingo: what if one day you meet a butter golem you genuinely like? either hate big or don't hate at all, I say
1159928;1433975765;lobbes;go for the gusto
1159929;1433975773;trinque;ascii_field: I'm just going for "died on my feet"
1159930;1433975778;trinque;will revise as things improve
1159931;1433975793;BingoBoingo;lobbes: See, good hating begins with wordplay.
1159932;1433975821;mircea_popescu;what's a butter golem ?
1159933;1433975928;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The sort of rollie pollie that needs a rag on a stick to clean itself and always is covered in an oily sheen
1159934;1433976001;mircea_popescu;oh
1159935;1433976067;BingoBoingo;There's a whole vocabluary. Mini moons are fat kids, hamplanets are big and round. ham galaxies are the ones so big they flatten out on surfaces... Beetus monsters are covered in weeping wounds on their legs
1159936;1433976169;BingoBoingo;Hating on the merely overweight is kind of a non-starter for me, but here in 'Murica there is no shortage of clearly celestial bodies to hate on.
1159937;1433976198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93750 @ 0.00035959 = 33.7116 BTC [-] {2} 
1159938;1433976290;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: you would really enjoy dan mocsny's collected writings.
1159939;1433976347;ascii_field;mocsny wrote, among many things, re: how it is not really possible to become 'galactically' fat without a host of 'unsung heroes' - enablers who feed you, wipe arse, etc
1159940;1433976371;ascii_field;and how those folks never seem to get 'press'
1159941;1433976382;ascii_field;yet what they do is not unlike what mengele did
1159942;1433976387;ascii_field;in terms of sheer perversity
1159943;1433976391;mircea_popescu;they just mean to help
1159944;1433976405;ascii_field;mengele also 'helped'
1159945;1433976417;trinque;I hate Yellen far more than any hamplanet
1159946;1433976429;trinque;and many others
1159947;1433977946;BingoBoingo;!up Pierre_Rochard
1159948;1433977967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125221 @ 0.00037746 = 47.2659 BTC [+] {5} 
1159949;1433979622;mircea_popescu;"The great thing about /r/fatpeoplehate was it was a prominent (6th most active) part of an extremely popular website. This is too private; we aren't pissing off fatties being here."
1159950;1433979627;mircea_popescu;ah mystery explained. k.
1159951;1433980256;mircea_popescu;and in the same ol news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc29b0C5lR1rfma9no1_r1_500.gif
1159952;1433980257;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2FH87 )
1159953;1433980422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159143 << quite unconvincingly. the only reason that guy wasn't warhol is that at the time the libertard infrastructure did not exist that'd support a warhol. he tried and tried, but with libertardicy in its infancy he merely scraped by.
1159954;1433980422;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 14:05:28; funkenstein_: Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly
1159955;1433980436;mircea_popescu;(dali did a lot better, but dali quite specifically whored out to power rather than to plebes)
1159956;1433980477;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159157 williamdunne's not been around in a few days, relax eh
1159957;1433980477;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 14:13:23; asciilifeform: ^^^ where the hell is my ticker ?!
1159958;1433980539;funkenstein_;lol :)  well this helps me understand what is meant by libertardicy
1159959;1433980613;Pierre_Rochard;http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate2/ < that was fast
1159960;1433980614;assbot;reboot of the newly destroyed fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Giq7 )
1159961;1433980626;mircea_popescu;"we the people" misunderstood as "we the pointlessly hopeful and unwarrantedly aspirational"
1159962;1433980661;funkenstein_;young, dumb, and full of bezzle ?
1159963;1433980676;mircea_popescu;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E << interesting how these cluster. now we have a pure M * 29. rather than 11 or 13 rounding out, we get 29 diverging even further from expectation.
1159964;1433980679;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2GohH )
1159965;1433980691;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ it's really dbezzle/dt. not bezzle yet.
1159966;1433980695;mircea_popescu;likely, not bezzle ever.
1159967;1433980760;funkenstein_;ah right.  "income".
1159968;1433980896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133200 @ 0.00035784 = 47.6643 BTC [-] {3} 
1159969;1433980935;funkenstein_;the latest ben fulford piece is pretty good
1159970;1433980956;funkenstein_;not sure why i like him, considering a decade of wrong predictions once a week
1159971;1433981088;mircea_popescu;lol
1159972;1433981277;mircea_popescu;and since we're talking art an' freedom, http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/
1159973;1433981277;assbot;The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2HiL0 )
1159974;1433981647;funkenstein_;i can smell that sundae :)
1159975;1433981664;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159811 <--  reminds me of a joke translated to me from mandarin
1159976;1433981664;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 21:40:27; trinque: I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism
1159977;1433981691;funkenstein_;american, african, and chinese are all asked, what's your opinion of your country's food?
1159978;1433981705;funkenstein_;american says: wait what's my country?
1159979;1433981715;funkenstein_;african says: wait what's food?
1159980;1433981726;funkenstein_;chinese says: wait, what's my opinion?
1159981;1433981866;mircea_popescu;lol
1159982;1433983552;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159963 << go ahead & generate a few million 4096-bit turds using your favourite /dev/random. see how many divisible by 29.
1159983;1433983552;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 23:57:56; mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E << interesting how these cluster. now we have a pure M * 29. rather than 11 or 13 rounding out, we get 29 diverging even further from expectation.
1159984;1433983573;mircea_popescu;just about every 30th :D
1159985;1433983610;asciilifeform;so whence the 'divergence from expectation' ?
1159986;1433983814;mircea_popescu;we currently have 29 like 4 times (expected 2ish) and 11 or 13 0 times
1159987;1433983826;mircea_popescu;this is all re http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
1159988;1433983827;assbot;The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3ZkFJ )
1159989;1433983834;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try confining the search to the non-mirrored moduli
1159990;1433983858;asciilifeform;although these, too, may have odd properties, being (as far as i can determine) mutilated versions of 'proper' ones
1159991;1433983901;asciilifeform;not certain if we have a sufficiently large sample of these to make solid empirical conjecture
1159992;1433983918;asciilifeform;(number theorists in the audience, please ready your barf bags)
1159993;1433984042;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: i prefer: 'american says: what's food? chinese says: country ? african: wait, someone asked for my opinion?!'
1159994;1433984137;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159915 << the problem with agreeing to become the ball in a game of liberasty football is that, well, folks will kick you
1159995;1433984137;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 22:26:59; nubbins`: imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes
1159996;1433984370;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1159997;1433984403;Vexual;hi, the amount of alcohol required to parse the logs is increasing
1159998;1433984524;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: did we ever discuss nuking the 'randomized change address' thing ?
1159999;1433984537;asciilifeform;because in my considered opinion, it is clinically retarded
1160000;1433984548;asciilifeform;and must die (tm)
1160001;1433984568;Vexual;just a matter of time
1160002;1433984601;Vexual;what the foundation policy on sending small amounts?
1160003;1433984602;asciilifeform;Vexual: none of this is 'matter of time.' if we shoot it in the head, it dies. otherwise - lives.
1160004;1433984611;asciilifeform;and i don't see how amounts matter.
1160005;1433984626;Vexual;yeah, that was more aabout the amount of alcohol reqd
1160006;1433984631;asciilifeform;l0l
1160007;1433984668;Vexual;so why disallow sending 1 satoshi?
1160008;1433984679;asciilifeform;Vexual: go, send
1160009;1433984694;asciilifeform;other folks won't retransmit, because 'sheepskin not worth the tanning'
1160010;1433984741;Vexual;yes yes
1160011;1433984779;asciilifeform;Vexual: we're not in the business of trying to euchre strange into the network rules. for that, go straight to phoundation.
1160012;1433984819;asciilifeform;i'm kinda surprised that gavin and his merry gnomish friends have not attempted to reinstate 'dust'
1160013;1433984822;asciilifeform;to help fill blocks
1160014;1433984839;Vexual;what of poorly designed services that might send unconfirmed amounts with fees then?
1160015;1433984851;Vexual;another matter^
1160016;1433984863;asciilifeform;what of poorly designed services that connect a user's mouth to his own arse ?
1160017;1433984890;Vexual;well im postulating, i dont know of any
1160018;1433984966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the problem with it ?
1160019;1433985007;asciilifeform;with what ?
1160020;1433985068;Vexual;dust
1160021;1433985112;asciilifeform;Vexual: just postulating that gavin & co would like to see blocks fill up, to help push their phork
1160022;1433985298;funkenstein_;lifting all these blocks gonna give me a hearneia
1160023;1433985321;mircea_popescu;the change address
1160024;1433985339;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the classical 'random change address' is absolutely lethal to wallet backups
1160025;1433985343;asciilifeform;thought that this was obvious to all
1160026;1433985396;asciilifeform;i have serious trouble grasping what justification there could possibly be for it
1160027;1433985453;asciilifeform;i can't fathom how a serious bitcoin user would be willing to tolerate it.
1160028;1433985467;mircea_popescu;nothing prevents you from generating any arbitrary count of addresses.
1160029;1433985477;funkenstein_;one solution is to just rip out all the wallet stuff completely
1160030;1433985489;mircea_popescu;moreover, backups should be periodic anyway.
1160031;1433985494;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking here of the default 'sendtoaddress' behaviour.
1160032;1433985502;mircea_popescu;yes
1160033;1433985514;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: we spoke of this. i say that'd be braindamaged, because we are maintaining a -reference client-
1160034;1433985514;mircea_popescu;you can pre-load your wallet with 100k addresses for future use.
1160035;1433985521;asciilifeform;which means that it is a complete description of bitcoin.
1160036;1433985529;asciilifeform;this is why the cpu miner stays
1160037;1433985556;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, you can. but bitcoind as we have it will generate a 100,001th if you fire it.
1160038;1433985597;asciilifeform;(alternatively, we could deprecate 'sendtoaddress' in favour of 'sendmany' only)
1160039;1433985623;mircea_popescu;alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.
1160040;1433985639;asciilifeform;did not say it has to be shot -today-.
1160041;1433985644;mircea_popescu;aha.
1160042;1433985645;asciilifeform;(not like it's a hard patch)
1160043;1433985650;asciilifeform;but as overall question.
1160044;1433985663;asciilifeform;why keep a pistol that fires towards the hilt in your pistol collection ?
1160045;1433985695;funkenstein_;by random change address, I thought you meant the order it is listed in the TX
1160046;1433985698;mircea_popescu;because it's your father's pistol collection and nobody asked you anything ?
1160047;1433985726;mircea_popescu;throwing out the pistols that are on fire is one thing
1160048;1433985732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by that token, ought not to touch any of it, l0l
1160049;1433985732;mircea_popescu;but the rest can be shaved later
1160050;1433985737;mircea_popescu;well...
1160051;1433985793;asciilifeform;i see the 'generate change addr' as a boobytrap for the unwary (and extra lines of code) with no rational justification for continued existence
1160052;1433985796;asciilifeform;but that's just me.
1160053;1433985811;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the change address mechanism is bizarre, esp in its interraction with backups, but imo not actually doing anything bad. you shouldn't have backups that it affects negatively anyway, if you comprehend backups.
1160054;1433985838;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how do you propose to create a backup that it won't affect ?
1160055;1433985840;mircea_popescu;there's a huge difference from taking out harmful stuff and taking out spurious stuff. these are never ghoing to be the first step, and we've not completed the first step yet
1160056;1433985845;mircea_popescu;ergo, they're untouchable for now
1160057;1433985865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when you speak of "a" backup you're already out in cosmic space. backups are a process not an item.
1160058;1433985898;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'generate addr' for instance prevents the use of the hypothetical 'brainwallet' machine discussed earlier.
1160059;1433985908;mircea_popescu;tough :D
1160060;1433985935;asciilifeform;well, on closer look, it doesn't.
1160061;1433985947;asciilifeform;(you craft a tx and feed it into the machine for signing, when you visit the darkroom)
1160062;1433986062;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of 'hands off father's pistols,' i'm still waiting for a 'meta,' 'theevenmorerealbitcoin.org' which will take issue with the excision of 'orphans' etc
1160063;1433986081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8872 @ 0.00037892 = 3.3618 BTC [+]
1160064;1433986090;asciilifeform;if the enemy had any class to speak of, this'd be a master trolltron
1160065;1433986202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5081 @ 0.00037212 = 1.8907 BTC [-]
1160066;1433986225;asciilifeform;unrelated:
1160067;1433986239;asciilifeform;has anyone contemplated collecting the set of sks keys which crash the parser ?
1160068;1433986245;asciilifeform;i bet a good chunk of those is stego blob
1160069;1433986249;asciilifeform;for botnet c&c, etc.
1160070;1433986261;asciilifeform;(since sks will apparently host -anything- purporting to be a key)
1160071;1433986269;asciilifeform;and - apparently - permanently
1160072;1433986324;asciilifeform;or is this, too, folks are waiting for me to do.
1160073;1433986327;asciilifeform;there is no reason to wait!
1160074;1433986331;asciilifeform;it isn't hard or anything.
1160075;1433986357;asciilifeform;not like i didn't post example code here.
1160076;1433986385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25909 @ 0.00037212 = 9.6413 BTC [-]
1160077;1433986406;funkenstein_;easier to use pastebin or mega methinks
1160078;1433986413;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: nope.
1160079;1433986423;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: both are heavily censored, and entirely centralized
1160080;1433986431;asciilifeform;sks is more like usenet
1160081;1433986437;asciilifeform;write-only
1160082;1433986452;asciilifeform;or rather, write-once
1160083;1433986470;asciilifeform;i'm frankly surprised that it hasn't been spammed to cinders
1160084;1433986482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform enemy is not in it for aesthetic considerations
1160085;1433986509;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aethetics are not entirely separable from utility here
1160086;1433986513;asciilifeform;in a propaganda war
1160087;1433986565;mircea_popescu;maybe, but this cockroach doesn't fly.
1160088;1433986608;asciilifeform;but where are the other insects, which -do- fly ?
1160089;1433986611;asciilifeform;why absent ?
1160090;1433986634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform judging by the alleged models they use, i'd be surprised too. except i don't believe even for a second the inept allegations of the shithead ycombinator parade.
1160091;1433986659;asciilifeform;which allegations ?
1160092;1433986690;*;asciilifeform has not been keeping up with the flea circus
1160093;1433986751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21751 @ 0.00037892 = 8.2419 BTC [+]
1160094;1433987105;mircea_popescu;that "this is just how sks servers work"
1160095;1433987142;asciilifeform;not like the code is not public
1160096;1433987147;asciilifeform;who wants - go, read.
1160097;1433987544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00037677 = 4.427 BTC [-]
1160098;1433987788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.0003771 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2} 
1160099;1433987848;decimation;asciilifeform: are you saying google is gonna buy sks servers and slowly fade them away?
1160100;1433987877;mod6;Going back to this error from lastnight: net.cpp:1358:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope
1160101;1433987958;decimation;mod6 is there an INT64_MIN in bitcoin? jurov's tool doesn't see it
1160102;1433987973;mod6;here's what I discovered: ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' is in ``headers.h''.  But if I add ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' directly after the #define in net.cpp, then it compiles fine.  I found the same errors in util.cpp and wallet.cpp.  Added those two lines fixes it in all places.
1160103;1433988026;mod6;decimation: should be line 1359         int64 nBest = INT64_MIN; of (net.cpp)
1160104;1433988069;mod6;im not sure what jurov's thing shows.  i go by what's in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE.tar.gz with hash: 5c41fe6cf286770a25bf61ab0c35747d0c760f8656754296d2e1d3c4274b5686
1160105;1433988081;decimation;ls
1160106;1433988195;mod6;anyway, after I fixed those hiccups, then I ran into this when linking.  any thoughts here?  this is a gentoo with nearly nothing installed... : http://dpaste.com/0HQTB32.txt
1160107;1433988196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXrLiy )
1160108;1433988305;decimation;INT64_MIN is defined in stdint.h on my redhat machine
1160109;1433988318;decimation;adding #include <stdint.h> should be cool
1160110;1433988414;decimation;the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto
1160111;1433988428;mod6;yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error.  my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN              (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)
1160112;1433988469;mod6;<+decimation> the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto << hmm i guess i can understand libcrypto, but openssl was built with auto.sh... would have though it could ifnd it..
1160113;1433988483;decimation;did it actually build?
1160114;1433988501;mod6;ip-172-31-2-241 bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 # whereis libcrypto libcrypto: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so
1160115;1433988510;mod6;ah, it's an .so... so maybe it's looking for a .a
1160116;1433988514;decimation;yep
1160117;1433988524;decimation;you told it -Wl,-Bstatic
1160118;1433988529;mod6;openssl? yeah, i believe it built just fine.
1160119;1433988545;mod6;I have that whole part saved in a typescript. lemme check
1160120;1433988556;decimation;is your target libcrypto and libssl in /usr/lib or in your built auto.sh targets?
1160121;1433988632;decimation;like, libssl.a and libcrypto.a should be in /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib
1160122;1433988751;mod6;ip-172-31-2-241 sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc # find /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc -name "*libssl*" \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.pc \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.a
1160123;1433988769;decimation;yeah but that's not in ourlibs/lib
1160124;1433988770;mod6;the typescript does say that it had some error installing the documents or something though, but other than that, looks ok.
1160125;1433988787;decimation;yeah and when it failed to install documents it didn't move it to ourlibs/lib
1160126;1433988795;decimation;which is where bitcoin's makefile wants it
1160127;1433988807;decimation;you are probably missing that one tool
1160128;1433988808;mod6;ah, thanks decimation. that's probably the other part of what nubbins` was saying before about not being copied correctly.  i had to copy the headers by hand for it to compile...
1160129;1433988811;decimation;I think I told you about the docs
1160130;1433988816;mod6;ah, ok.
1160131;1433988870;decimation;I remember looking into it
1160132;1433988877;decimation;I think I solved it by turning off doc generation
1160133;1433988970;mod6;ok copied libcrypto.a and libssl.a into ourlibs/lib
1160134;1433988977;mod6;got passed that problem... but now have something else.
1160135;1433989037;decimation;yeah it's that perl doc bullshit
1160136;1433989044;decimation;it makes make install fail
1160137;1433989055;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
1160138;1433989056;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXtxAn )
1160139;1433989366;decimation;it's a weak symbol, the unwind shit is related to debugging
1160140;1433989660;decimation;I'm not sure what the issue is exactly, it's probably some complicated ulibc <-> gcc interaction
1160141;1433989742;mod6;hmm.  well, this didn't help either: recompile with -fPIC
1160142;1433989758;mod6;maybe I have it in the wrong spot though.
1160143;1433989903;mod6;gentoo has a page that mentions PIEs & PICs... maybe i can try without -fPIE and see what happens.
1160144;1433989983;mod6;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hardened/Toolchain
1160145;1433989984;assbot;Hardened/Toolchain - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXvJYH )
1160146;1433990368;mod6;didn't seem to help: http://dpaste.com/0FV0TC3.txt
1160147;1433990369;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXwD7n )
1160148;1433990369;mod6;hmm...
1160149;1433990533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32484 @ 0.00036214 = 11.7638 BTC [-] {2} 
1160150;1433990594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14266 @ 0.0003576 = 5.1015 BTC [-]
1160151;1433991045;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160111 << i spoke of this a month or two ago. afaik - unsolved
1160152;1433991045;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 02:07:08; mod6: yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error.  my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN              (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)
1160153;1433991077;asciilifeform;!s stdint
1160154;1433991078;assbot;8 results for 'stdint' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stdint
1160155;1433991109;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160137 << you still have dns invocations in there
1160156;1433991109;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 02:17:35; mod6: http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
1160157;1433991255;mod6;oh you think that's causing this issue?
1160158;1433991266;asciilifeform;mod6: two separate issues here!
1160159;1433991338;mod6;well, i've got the stdint thing figured out for the time being.  i've applied your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch" and "nubs-gentoo-sanity.patch".
1160160;1433991357;asciilifeform;this worked ?
1160161;1433991427;mod6;no, those where in there from the beginning.  i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok.
1160162;1433991459;mod6;the other issue is the linking thing...
1160163;1433991534;mod6;the linker is saying that an R_X86_64_PC32 relocation against an undefined symbol can't be used in a shared object...  maybe your removal of the dns shit fixes this. not sure. will try adding that patch as well if this next thing doesn't work.
1160164;1433991550;asciilifeform;what symbol ?
1160165;1433991645;mod6;__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto
1160166;1433991676;asciilifeform;ferphuxxsake
1160167;1433991683;asciilifeform;what triggers this ?
1160168;1433991710;mod6;did you look at this? http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
1160169;1433991711;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDGUr )
1160170;1433991765;mod6;unless i'm just dumb, and it's related to "getnameinfo()", but i honestly didn't think it was reated.
1160171;1433991768;mod6;*related
1160172;1433991794;asciilifeform;methinks we got our first uclibc-ism here
1160173;1433991800;decimation;no getnameifo isn't at fault
1160174;1433991810;decimation;it's something to do with linking between ulibc, gcc, pthread
1160175;1433991819;asciilifeform;try building a boost-y 'hello world' statically with uclibc
1160176;1433991821;decimation;http://blog.docker.com/2013/06/create-light-weight-docker-containers-buildroot/ < some dude found the same problem
1160177;1433991822;assbot;Create lightweight Docker containers with Buildroot | Docker Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDSmF )
1160178;1433991902;mod6;decimation: i saw that there. lol, there aren't many people who've encoutered this.
1160179;1433991910;decimation;not this exact error, no
1160180;1433991924;asciilifeform;the set of folks doing static builds today consists - approximately - of us.
1160181;1433991936;asciilifeform;(and perhaps the linuxbios folks)
1160182;1433991958;mircea_popescu;and some more isolated pockets, but yeah
1160183;1433991967;decimation;yeah
1160184;1433991970;asciilifeform;microcontroller folks, too
1160185;1433991978;asciilifeform;but none of'em are stuck with cpp, much less 'boost'
1160186;1433992166;decimation;heh yeah only crazies would consider writing cpp for embedded or static linking
1160187;1433992178;decimation;mod6 what version of ulibc are you using
1160188;1433992180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00036274 = 1.2732 BTC [+]
1160189;1433992203;decimation;http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/ChangeLog-0.9.31_0.9.32 < "Date:   Fri May 27 17:08:36 2011 +0200     Fix build issue due to missing symbols in !NPTL case:     - _longjmp_unwind"
1160190;1433992207;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHECIt )
1160191;1433992263;asciilifeform;does uclibs even contain setjmp() routines ?
1160192;1433992270;asciilifeform;*uclibc
1160193;1433992293;*;asciilifeform looks, learns that it does. or claims to.
1160194;1433992431;mod6;<+decimation> mod6 what version of ulibc are you using << lemme see what i can find.
1160195;1433992564;mod6;0.9.33.2 looks like: http://dpaste.com/21W7WXW.txt
1160196;1433992565;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqF6jN )
1160197;1433992597;decimation;asciilifeform: http://bugs.rosalinux.ru/show_bug.cgi?id=1127
1160198;1433992599;assbot;Bug 1127 – segmentation fault error when the busybox execute ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFdvI )
1160199;1433992617;decimation;https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=32219
1160200;1433992619;assbot;32219 – optimizer causes wrong code in pic/hidden/weak symbol checking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFheX )
1160201;1433992702;decimation;lol it's a gcc bug reported in 2007, not fixed until 2015
1160202;1433992718;decimation;mod6: what version of gcc are you using
1160203;1433992735;mod6;gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4
1160204;1433992790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53378 @ 0.00035927 = 19.1771 BTC [-] {2} 
1160205;1433993530;decimation;unless the fix was backported, you need gcc 5.1
1160206;1433993563;decimation;if it's this gcc bug, it wasn't fixed until 13 feb 2015
1160207;1433993677;decimation;https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue
1160208;1433993678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHHRQ2 )
1160209;1433993802;mod6;hmm...
1160210;1433994370;mod6;so this might not be a problem, but i was just looking at the environement to see if something is out of whack.  it seems the /usr/bin/gcc isn't quite the same as the /usr/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/gcc-bin/4.8.4/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc : http://dpaste.com/19T1QMN.txt
1160211;1433994371;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJehC )
1160212;1433994375;mod6;Is this wrong?
1160213;1433994429;mod6;they do have different hashes, etc.
1160214;1433994476;decimation;I'm not sure, but I do know if that if the fix I found above isn't integrated it might not matter
1160215;1433994527;mod6;yeah. it seems weird from that other link that uclibc should have a fix applied in branch 0.9.32, or did i misunderstand that.
1160216;1433994552;mod6;so thinking that my 0.9.33.2 /should/ be okay...
1160217;1433994671;mod6;<+decimation> https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue << is there any likelihood that this patch can be applied to 4.8.4? or is 5.x required?
1160218;1433994673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJJIt )
1160219;1433994698;decimation;I donno, I'm not a gcc expert
1160220;1433994731;mod6;ok. np. the message didn't say. i guess i could try pulling the 4.8.4 source or whatever and see.
1160221;1433994779;mod6;i would think i would need to build whatevre this is: x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4 + the obscure patch in msg00410
1160222;1433994824;mod6;makes me as jumpy as a longtalied cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
1160223;1433994848;decimation;hehe me too
1160224;1433994960;decimation;!up bekusoararu
1160225;1433995028;mod6;mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie.  Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic.
1160226;1433995163;bekusoararu;^^
1160227;1433995201;*;bekusoararu bows
1160228;1433995657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87300 @ 0.00037653 = 32.8711 BTC [+] {2} 
1160229;1433996206;bekusoararu;;seen duffer
1160230;1433996327;bekusoararu;balls deep i suppose
1160231;1433996449;bekusoararu;!s richard prior
1160232;1433996450;assbot;0 results for 'richard prior' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=richard+prior
1160233;1433996470;trinque;pryor?
1160234;1433996500;bekusoararu;yuo just seem to know everything
1160235;1433996536;trinque;unlikely, but I know that
1160236;1433996550;bekusoararu;i know you, i ike you
1160237;1433996609;bekusoararu;noone doesnt
1160238;1433996633;bekusoararu;you just got a tony
1160239;1433996709;bekusoararu;!g dirtycash dizzee
1160240;1433996734;bekusoararu;nevermind
1160241;1433996798;bekusoararu;i confer helen mirrin rights upon trinque
1160242;1433996938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00037372 = 6.3159 BTC [-]
1160243;1433997304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00037194 = 6.5833 BTC [-] {2} 
1160244;1433998524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.0003576 = 4.0051 BTC [-]
1160245;1433999500;mircea_popescu;!up laylagottawatch
1160246;1433999530;laylagottawatch;8premKyl5nc
1160247;1433999582;laylagottawatch;seriously tho people say how eric clapton bout this watch or that watch, who gives a shizen
1160248;1433999642;mircea_popescu;<mod6> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie.  Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?!
1160249;1434000085;laylagottawatch;nobody has a watch
1160250;1434000120;laylagottawatch;they were all stolen long ago
1160251;1434000499;laylagottawatch;kinda necessary for bitcoin tho
1160252;1434000571;laylagottawatch;ektsOP8yOQM
1160253;1434000781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00037307 = 8.8045 BTC [+] {2} 
1160254;1434000895;laylagottawatch;!g diesel!g johnny diesel and the injectors
1160255;1434000960;laylagottawatch;9K0vKfpfpx8
1160256;1434000988;laylagottawatch;cry in shame
1160257;1434001012;laylagottawatch;b00STMSnu1s
1160258;1434001097;laylagottawatch;notice fp onn thge couch
1160259;1434001316;laylagottawatch;]funkenstein knows the sax guy\
1160260;1434001379;davout;wtf am i reading
1160261;1434002062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00037243 = 5.5492 BTC [-] {3} 
1160262;1434002306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00037923 = 7.3571 BTC [+]
1160263;1434003404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22082 @ 0.00037952 = 8.3806 BTC [+] {2} 
1160264;1434004746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.0003576 = 10.2452 BTC [-]
1160265;1434005722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10311 @ 0.00036026 = 3.7146 BTC [+]
1160266;1434006455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00035675 = 12.9679 BTC [-] {2} 
1160267;1434007064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00036026 = 3.8007 BTC [+]
1160268;1434007369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7939 @ 0.00036026 = 2.8601 BTC [+]
1160269;1434007979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00036446 = 2.3508 BTC [+]
1160270;1434008696;punkman;!up ben_vulpes
1160271;1434008715;ben_vulpes;ty punkman
1160272;1434008744;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'change addr' << i have banged on at length about this brain damage
1160273;1434009397;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off
1160274;1434009397;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 15:29:44; mircea_popescu: cazalla well, dja wanna quit ?
1160275;1434009465;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159168 <<< trans girl who 4chan furiously jacked it to until they found out she was trans.. some continued anyway https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2442/3630600841_172e5551e1.jpg
1160276;1434009465;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 15:39:41; mircea_popescu: who/what is a bailey jay
1160277;1434009466;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I3h0bm )
1160278;1434010053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00037456 = 6.1428 BTC [+] {2} 
1160279;1434010785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00036887 = 5.6437 BTC [-]
1160280;1434010969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00036412 = 14.6922 BTC [-] {2} 
1160281;1434011395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10230 @ 0.00036887 = 3.7735 BTC [+]
1160282;1434011761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00037885 = 3.3718 BTC [+] {2} 
1160283;1434012040;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159739 <<< http://i.imgur.com/LFtCt55.png
1160284;1434012040;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 20:31:23; BingoBoingo: Fuck you reddit. The one time there is something almost worthwhile they kill it https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate
1160285;1434012041;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM5OUV )
1160286;1434012119;cazalla;which is really strange given coontown does target (reddit's ver of targeting) people
1160287;1434012127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00037954 = 11.8416 BTC [+]
1160288;1434013621;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159784 <<< that's bad but i think this is worse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTHbY9mVYAM
1160289;1434013621;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 21:21:40; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << re: "high functioning autism" -- I just found out about this internet phenomenon -> https://youtu.be/wEKLxgRJnAc?t=2m20s
1160290;1434013622;assbot;VINE MARATHON VOLUME 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM7uOp )
1160291;1434013747;shinohai;The mix tape for a new generation.
1160292;1434014201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00037954 = 9.1279 BTC [+]
1160293;1434014597;shinohai;https://twitter.com/LivingComputers/status/608829778360033280/photo/1
1160294;1434015116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00037954 = 7.439 BTC [+]
1160295;1434016092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15320 @ 0.00037442 = 5.7361 BTC [-] {2} 
1160296;1434016153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89030 @ 0.00036919 = 32.869 BTC [-] {2} 
1160297;1434016702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00037954 = 1.5941 BTC [+]
1160298;1434016824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00037954 = 8.6156 BTC [+]
1160299;1434017312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00036206 = 1.7922 BTC [-] {2} 
1160300;1434017495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.0003565 = 28.8409 BTC [-] {4} 
1160301;1434018532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32073 @ 0.00037954 = 12.173 BTC [+]
1160302;1434019020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00037954 = 14.821 BTC [+]
1160303;1434019447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00037954 = 7.3251 BTC [+]
1160304;1434022924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00035513 = 2.7523 BTC [-]
1160305;1434022962;punkman;http://aripecola.tumblr.com/post/115523611261/i-love-science-i-think-its-the-most-beautiful
1160306;1434022963;assbot;benby brilliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1QqSpHq )
1160307;1434023046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00037351 = 13.8199 BTC [+] {2} 
1160308;1434023068;shinohai;biodiversity is an interesting subject.
1160309;1434023168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00037954 = 5.4464 BTC [+]
1160310;1434024083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00037954 = 14.1379 BTC [+]
1160311;1434024870;nubbins`;"the fact that most people won’t learn about sexual variation until COLLEGE is ... VIOLENT"
1160312;1434024871;nubbins`;o.O
1160313;1434024903;nubbins`;the fact that "Leah, 20." feels the education system should be the primary educator of children is telling
1160314;1434025038;nubbins`;http://aripecola.tumblr.com/post/121184028396/obeykingafrica-short-hair-dont-care-also-i
1160315;1434025039;assbot;benby brilliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1f4M57B )
1160316;1434025041;nubbins`;and i'm done
1160317;1434025057;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE9JlONzrVU
1160318;1434025058;assbot;Your standard fuckparty. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f4M7MX )
1160319;1434025117;nubbins`;i've been trying to sell a single bitcoin in -otc for three days
1160320;1434025181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33136 @ 0.00036279 = 12.0214 BTC [-] {2} 
1160321;1434025379;nubbins`;!up Guest24615
1160322;1434026157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00037954 = 14.1189 BTC [+]
1160323;1434026303;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe
1160324;1434026303;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035086 / 0.00036706 / 0.00037954 (2532822 shares, 929.71 BTC), 7D: 0.00031746 / 0.00035429 / 0.00037954 (38569463 shares, 13,665.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00024032 / 0.00030726 / 0.00037954 (137645789 shares, 42,294.10 BTC)
1160325;1434026645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00036151 = 15.9607 BTC [-]
1160326;1434027560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00038028 = 7.9098 BTC [+] {2} 
1160327;1434027580;mircea_popescu;and in breakfast news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj3va0iHC1rewmkdo1_1280.jpg
1160328;1434027581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUJS4g )
1160329;1434027837;nubbins`;now that's a spicy meatball
1160330;1434027897;mircea_popescu;she doesn't look like she got enough sauce on hers.
1160331;1434027958;nubbins`;i think she ordered the vegetarian spaghetti
1160332;1434027979;*;nubbins` contemplates making meatballs
1160333;1434028015;mircea_popescu;that's good, a slut somewhere's contemplating eating manballs.
1160334;1434028052;nubbins`;tesla batteries would be great for my home, if (a) non-peak rates were offered here, or (b) net metering was an option
1160335;1434028059;asciilifeform;so my neighbour's house has been in the care of garbage men wearing gas masks for a week now.
1160336;1434028069;nubbins`;asciilifeform !!
1160337;1434028071;asciilifeform;they are also wearing sacks over their shoes
1160338;1434028082;nubbins`;obola?
1160339;1434028091;nubbins`;was this the neighbour who'd been broken into?
1160340;1434028094;asciilifeform;nubbins`: cat woman
1160341;1434028098;nubbins`;o.
1160342;1434028103;mircea_popescu;oh.
1160343;1434028106;mircea_popescu;i was hoping for aliens.
1160344;1434028107;nubbins`;i guess she's not a cat woman anymore.
1160345;1434028117;asciilifeform;nubbins`: not clear where the beasties went
1160346;1434028128;asciilifeform;they put out zoological traps but none sprang
1160347;1434028128;nubbins`;humane services, most likely
1160348;1434028136;asciilifeform;i think they escaped
1160349;1434028144;nubbins`;never to return? seems unlikely
1160350;1434028151;nubbins`;unless they were held against their will
1160351;1434028161;nubbins`;(cats are v territorial, don't just "run away")
1160352;1434028176;asciilifeform;these were kept indoors
1160353;1434028187;asciilifeform;and probably have severely defective firmware
1160354;1434028191;nubbins`;heh
1160355;1434028193;mircea_popescu;nubbins` and also if (c) you were a salamander so fire hazard was not a concern
1160356;1434028199;nubbins`;maybe so, but even though
1160357;1434028218;nubbins`;cats running away generally isn't a thing that happens, unless they're running from a new home to their previous one
1160358;1434028227;nubbins`;but they'll lose that urge after a couple weeks.
1160359;1434028228;mircea_popescu;much like women.
1160360;1434028231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00038149 = 3.5666 BTC [+]
1160361;1434028251;nubbins`;anecdote: Dory popped through the screen window yesterday
1160362;1434028275;nubbins`;i step through the front door to fetch her, and she's worriedly trotting around meowing at neighbouring windows, trying to figure out which house is hers
1160363;1434028276;nubbins`;;(
1160364;1434028328;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1160365;1434028354;asciilifeform;woah she had a 'king' mattress
1160366;1434028357;asciilifeform;mega-luxury
1160367;1434028360;nubbins`;heh.
1160368;1434028365;mircea_popescu;i imagine The Outside must look to a modern pet cat much like the same looks to a modern teenager.
1160369;1434028366;asciilifeform;(though i count 11 or so gigantic spots)
1160370;1434028374;nubbins`;we have a king size mattress. they're not THAT expensive :P
1160371;1434028384;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the floor space - is
1160372;1434028389;*;mircea_popescu has a 2.2 x 2.3 matress even here
1160373;1434028399;nubbins`;:o
1160374;1434028408;nubbins`;so if you wanna lie sideways, your legs hang off the edge?
1160375;1434028424;mircea_popescu;...
1160376;1434028430;mircea_popescu;you think i'm over 2 meters long ?
1160377;1434028435;nubbins`;that was directed towards alf, heh
1160378;1434028443;mircea_popescu;oh lol
1160379;1434028457;nubbins`;that was actually dory's second time out front
1160380;1434028465;nubbins`;the first time, she was just sitting in the window checking things out
1160381;1434028471;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i'm not even a very tall fella, but the only orientation i can lie down in where legs do not go over the edge is diagonal (after pushing pet out)
1160382;1434028473;mircea_popescu;"and i threw it out"
1160383;1434028474;nubbins`;then her hated enemy, Gandalf, approaches the window
1160384;1434028496;nubbins`;and Dory actually launched herself at him, busting the screen out of the window, and chased him down the block
1160385;1434028500;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you could cut her in half, have a chunk curl up on either side.
1160386;1434028504;nubbins`;it was bananas and i was almost too high to deal with it
1160387;1434028506;mircea_popescu;alternatively, start dating 12yos
1160388;1434028520;mircea_popescu;"your honor, i only fuck preteens because the floor space is so expensive"
1160389;1434028540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i actually often say to pet, 'mainly what i need a 2nd one for is to have stators on both sides'
1160390;1434028551;mircea_popescu;because you spin ?
1160391;1434028554;asciilifeform;aha
1160392;1434028563;mircea_popescu;does it do work /
1160393;1434028573;nubbins`;only when they wear the copper brush undies
1160394;1434028577;asciilifeform;in the schoolbook physics sense, surely.
1160395;1434028578;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1160396;1434028585;nubbins`;and you thought a hair shirt was bad
1160397;1434028619;nubbins`;so i've got this conveyor oven for curing ink on shirts, yes?
1160398;1434028634;mircea_popescu;is this still about dory ?
1160399;1434028639;nubbins`;no :(
1160400;1434028645;nubbins`;i ws connecting some ducting to the exhaust fan last fall and realized that the mfg installed the fucking fan upside-down
1160401;1434028646;mircea_popescu;proceed
1160402;1434028663;mircea_popescu;the manufagturer ?
1160403;1434028665;nubbins`;seriously. exhaust fan pointed down into the oven.
1160404;1434028668;asciilifeform;nubbins`: so he built you a crematorium ?
1160405;1434028685;nubbins`;he built me a t-shirt oven that blasts cool air onto the sides of the shirts it's trying to cure.
1160406;1434028707;mircea_popescu;so you're making cool shirts.
1160407;1434028707;nubbins`;anyway. no big deal, tap some new holes, screw the thing in the right way.
1160408;1434028715;mircea_popescu;you know, smoked meats should be cold cured.
1160409;1434028719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19247 @ 0.00038149 = 7.3425 BTC [+]
1160410;1434028719;nubbins`;they also wired the fucking motor backwards
1160411;1434028727;mircea_popescu;aaahahahaah
1160412;1434028736;mircea_popescu;see, this is why slump times in sv are bad
1160413;1434028741;nubbins`;so the heat/speed controls are on the fucking output side of it
1160414;1434028742;mircea_popescu;the fucktards end up employed in productive activities
1160415;1434028748;mircea_popescu;and bring their "coding experience" with them
1160416;1434028749;asciilifeform;^^^^
1160417;1434028776;nubbins`;anyway, this is a roundabout way of saying that i'm gonna be rewiring a DC motor for the first time today
1160418;1434028784;nubbins`;sources say i just gotta swap the red and black
1160419;1434028785;asciilifeform;this is rather akin to the famous clusterfuck in usa circa '80s when reagan turned the psych ward folks loose
1160420;1434028807;nubbins`;asciilifeform i think the usa is still dealing w/ that
1160421;1434028819;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not really, it's just a lefty meme.
1160422;1434028823;asciilifeform;aha, as described by herr orlov - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html
1160423;1434028824;assbot;ClubOrlov: Crazyland ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUNIdM )
1160424;1434028825;asciilifeform;and others.
1160425;1434028826;mircea_popescu;"oh reagan was bad because bla bla"
1160426;1434028834;nubbins`;was he the actor?
1160427;1434028838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform /me is deeply unconcinved by the theory.
1160428;1434028839;nubbins`;i mean, they all are.
1160429;1434028839;nubbins`;but
1160430;1434028846;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah, he was the only qualified one.
1160431;1434028858;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pinning it on reagan may be a liberast hobby horse, but it did happen.
1160432;1434028865;mircea_popescu;well, some whore also got office in italy about some time
1160433;1434028866;nubbins`;the only one w/ a SAG membership, anyway.
1160434;1434028891;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fact that he let the loonies out is a fact. the proposition that this had any measurable effect is loonytalk
1160435;1434028903;mircea_popescu;mostly off the sort of schmucks who either depend on or aim to depend on a "social worker" career
1160436;1434028909;mircea_popescu;which is built exactly on this proposition.
1160437;1434028912;nubbins`;in other shop news, i've got a lead on a new (to me) flash dryer from the shop i used to work part-time at
1160438;1434028913;asciilifeform;the only definitively measurable effect was on the population of bums
1160439;1434028921;mircea_popescu;according to whom ?
1160440;1434028924;nubbins`;new owners love their new flash dryer so much that they DON'T WANT their old one.
1160441;1434028938;nubbins`;nevermind that they've got two shirt presses and one of them can only do single-color prints because it has no flash.
1160442;1434028947;nubbins`;nevermind that
1160443;1434028952;nubbins`;sell the old, working flash to me :D
1160444;1434028982;mircea_popescu;sounds like you got yourselves the best sort of friends after "she likes to fuck" : the clueless.
1160445;1434028991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps not 'definitively.' but everyone i meet in usa appear to be firmly convinced that this cataclysm happened.
1160446;1434029001;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doesn't this make you suspicious ?
1160447;1434029004;asciilifeform;sure.
1160448;1434029012;*;asciilifeform wasn't there yet, did not see with own eyes
1160449;1434029013;mircea_popescu;other things "everyone in usa" is convinced of include the fact that their feelings matter.
1160450;1434029017;asciilifeform;l0l aha.
1160451;1434029027;mircea_popescu;also without factual basis.
1160452;1434029044;asciilifeform;incidentally, there are still asylums, in a sese
1160453;1434029046;asciilifeform;*sense
1160454;1434029051;asciilifeform;but the denizens rotate in and out
1160455;1434029063;asciilifeform;this is intensely lucrative for a variety of 'social work' orgs
1160456;1434029064;nubbins`;http://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/39b67t/im_a_retired_bank_robber_ama/cs26ah1
1160457;1434029066;assbot;ErisGrey comments on I'm a retired bank robber. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUOkjA )
1160458;1434029077;mircea_popescu;yeah, there are. over 10mn people live in them, half of which "veterans"
1160459;1434029086;mircea_popescu;except they're no longer centralized and so less obvious
1160460;1434029086;nubbins`;asylums are not fun places
1160461;1434029123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. typically built into normal hospital.
1160462;1434029134;*;asciilifeform once visited a chum who ended up in one
1160463;1434029134;mircea_popescu;ah, no. that's the 1%
1160464;1434029143;mircea_popescu;the 99% is, basically, random apartments all over town
1160465;1434029306;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160260 << i made the mistake of unbanning vexual because people complained forreasons i don't fathom, and then i made the mistake of upping random name.
1160466;1434029306;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 05:42:59; davout: wtf am i reading
1160467;1434029329;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160273 << a ok than!
1160468;1434029329;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 07:56:37; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off
1160469;1434029343;asciilifeform;i think the poor fella might be #b-a's very own 'asylum veteran'
1160470;1434029363;mircea_popescu;maybe
1160471;1434029375;nubbins`;woo, new printer just arrived
1160472;1434029384;*;nubbins` now owns three epson 1430s
1160473;1434029406;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/01/geotrax-currency-tracker.jpg << from that bank robbery thread. i think i own one of these modems, l0l!
1160474;1434029407;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJdQzl )
1160475;1434029446;asciilifeform;have robbers never heard of 'rf bags' ?
1160476;1434029451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5619 @ 0.00037892 = 2.1292 BTC [-]
1160477;1434029469;mircea_popescu;what is that thing supposed to be ?
1160478;1434029478;asciilifeform;(according to the u.s. patents, the 'money boobytraps' are 100% rf-activated.)
1160479;1434029484;asciilifeform;and this one is not explosive, but a gps tracker.
1160480;1434029488;nubbins`;heh.
1160481;1434029503;nubbins`;i bet those things cost like $500ea
1160482;1434029506;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/LFtCt55.png <<< bwahahaha WHO THE FUCK comes up with this shit.
1160483;1434029507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJedKe )
1160484;1434029522;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> <mod6> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie.  Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?! << 'twas a joke. the old one about how a programmer wanted to bake an apple pie but first has to invent a universe.  'cept in this one static bitcoind is the pie, and the universe is gentoo/uclibc/gcc/etc. :]
1160485;1434029528;mircea_popescu;o god almighty, a whole generation of ignorant, poor twerps. running their own country.
1160486;1434029546;mircea_popescu;im so going to go on bison safari through the most powerful country in the world before long...
1160487;1434029555;nubbins`;hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
1160488;1434029559;mircea_popescu;mod6 oic
1160489;1434029562;nubbins`;"we're banning people, not coontown"
1160490;1434029566;nubbins`;i cannot even.
1160491;1434029579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will have to bring own bisons, i suspect
1160492;1434029583;mircea_popescu;nubbins` and the best part is, someone rolled their eyes and muttered "obviously" over this.
1160493;1434029588;nubbins`;hahah
1160494;1434029589;nubbins`;like
1160495;1434029591;mircea_popescu;you culd be banging her, if you got out more.
1160496;1434029592;asciilifeform;unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether
1160497;1434029595;nubbins`;i need someone to buy me this book: http://www.beheadingboredom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/how-to-even-for-dummies.jpg
1160498;1434029596;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUPKuv )
1160499;1434029596;mircea_popescu;because they're everywhere.
1160500;1434029599;nubbins`;that is how much i cannot even
1160501;1434029614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not extinct is it ?
1160502;1434029622;mircea_popescu;even romania has zimbrii come back
1160503;1434029633;mircea_popescu;(they were throught extinct after ww2. much like anything larger than a cat)
1160504;1434029640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: supposedly was reintroduced. somewhere.
1160505;1434029647;*;asciilifeform only ever saw in zoo
1160506;1434029660;mircea_popescu;i know i had its meat so it can't be that rare.
1160507;1434029674;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ted turner invested $maxint in bison farms
1160508;1434029689;mircea_popescu;aha
1160509;1434029776;nubbins`;hm
1160510;1434029785;nubbins`;is the singular of zimbrii "zimbra"?
1160511;1434029789;mircea_popescu;zimbru
1160512;1434029799;nubbins`;aw.
1160513;1434029801;mircea_popescu;the european woolen bison, slightly smaller.
1160514;1434029806;nubbins`;;;google talking heads i zimbra
1160515;1434029807;gribble;Talking Heads - I Zimbra (HQ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-RDJ4Z4XrQ>; I Zimbra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Zimbra>; Talking Heads - I Zimbra Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-zimbra-lyrics-talking-heads.html>
1160516;1434029809;mircea_popescu;zimbra prettyt much means hickey
1160517;1434029815;nubbins`;^ worth a listen.
1160518;1434029815;asciilifeform;зубр
1160519;1434029831;mircea_popescu;him
1160520;1434029877;nubbins`;after clicking around on /r/coontown a bit
1160521;1434029878;nubbins`;i uh
1160522;1434029886;*;nubbins` gestures helplessly
1160523;1434029905;nubbins`;sure am glad reddit is a, uh.. safe space?
1160524;1434029912;*;nubbins` frowns, thinks
1160525;1434029928;*;asciilifeform waits for the reddit thread 'iama craigslist bitcoin robber, ask me anything'
1160526;1434029933;mircea_popescu;ad hoc legislation looks just like ad hoc coding.
1160527;1434029954;mircea_popescu;a) it doesn't compile, so they prefer interpreted languages instead and b) it doesn't debug, so they prefer to write more instead.
1160528;1434030009;nubbins`;http://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/zCl-7opvFRrVGJEJHc8BVEV6AL8Hxdg227GzeQYJpSA.jpg
1160529;1434030009;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUR68m )
1160530;1434030012;nubbins`;mis lados
1160531;1434030024;asciilifeform;wtf even is that
1160532;1434030043;nubbins`;that's ellen pao explaining why coontown wasn't one of the subreddits that got banned
1160533;1434030059;asciilifeform;sure, but what -was- it
1160534;1434030065;asciilifeform;(is?)
1160535;1434030068;nubbins`;is.
1160536;1434030073;nubbins`;http://reddit.com/r/coontown
1160537;1434030074;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1FURggf )
1160538;1434030084;nubbins`;because maintaining a "nigger hate" forum isn't behaviour, it's an idea
1160539;1434030093;nubbins`;or smth
1160540;1434030098;nubbins`;ELLEN PAO, LOGICIAN
1160541;1434030168;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159677 haha i concur. and if you exposed ms-dos to untrusted data and got it to crash or worse, it was *your* fault.
1160542;1434030168;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 19:42:15; ascii_field: ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.
1160543;1434030196;mircea_popescu;I STILL PREFER MSDOS
1160544;1434030212;asciilifeform;as an msdos aficionado myself, i find the comparison to 'adult' os to be a rather odd one
1160545;1434030213;mircea_popescu;to everything i've seen since the 80s, i by a very fat large margin prefer msdos.
1160546;1434030220;asciilifeform;dos wasn't really 'present' in the sense unix is
1160547;1434030248;mircea_popescu;you know i never had a computer "freeze" ? crash, yes.
1160548;1434030260;mircea_popescu;but wtf is a freeze. a stable state of nonsense ?
1160549;1434030263;asciilifeform;proggy (esp. in the latter days, with 'protected mode' gamez etc) took over machine entirely
1160550;1434030280;asciilifeform;'freeze', then, as now, is when box no longer answers to keyboard
1160551;1434030282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is a lot to be said for this.
1160552;1434030307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, which is why i am still living there. (like to program embedded chips where this holds true)
1160553;1434030369;asciilifeform;(re: 'freezing' - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 )
1160554;1434030371;assbot;Loper OS » First Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSb08 )
1160555;1434030406;nubbins`;http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/there-is-no-right-not-to-be-offended/article3969404.ece
1160556;1434030407;assbot;‘There is no right not to be offended’ - The Hindu ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSh7K )
1160557;1434030420;nubbins`;quote in title from salman rushdie
1160558;1434030433;asciilifeform;in other news,
1160559;1434030439;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29E48E92BF1A5E83EAA2C9F4927191B0A345037362BC78DCB8F5BA2A3E9D8D70 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42CBD68B7426A8BAE00317B4196B4551BB2673EEFCECBBD60E8D9C55255A6A0
1160560;1434030446;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSmsi )
1160561;1434030475;nubbins`;mister starck!
1160562;1434030492;nubbins`;one of these days i'mma read up on exactly wtf phuctor is doing
1160563;1434030504;*;nubbins` has laughably little hands-on experience with the nuts & bolts of this math
1160564;1434030505;asciilifeform;friend of yours ?
1160565;1434030509;nubbins`;nah
1160566;1434030536;asciilifeform;nubbins`: as for what it is doing, this fits in a paragraph - http://nosuchlabs.com/theory
1160567;1434030537;assbot;    Theory | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSEPG )
1160568;1434030621;nubbins`;ty
1160569;1434030639;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: were you the one who proposed an msdos port of bitcoind ?
1160570;1434030645;asciilifeform;somebody did
1160571;1434030648;asciilifeform;(was it me...?)
1160572;1434030651;mircea_popescu;prolly you
1160573;1434030652;nubbins`;heh
1160574;1434030664;asciilifeform;was there a reason we didn't do this ?
1160575;1434030673;asciilifeform;(how tcp? over slip/rs232, of course)
1160576;1434030688;mircea_popescu;yes. yes there was.
1160577;1434030697;asciilifeform;anyone recall what it was ?
1160578;1434030710;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160039
1160579;1434030710;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 01:20:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.
1160580;1434030717;asciilifeform;that you can't squeeze db into a 2g fat16 volume, perhaps ?
1160581;1434030723;mircea_popescu;before bitcoin on pogo looks like eulora/binaries,
1160582;1434030725;asciilifeform;(no prob. write raw blocks)
1160583;1434030729;mircea_popescu;you don't get to start more stuff.
1160584;1434030736;asciilifeform;well that was why -i- didn't do it
1160585;1434030742;asciilifeform;but how about other folks.
1160586;1434030743;mircea_popescu;that's why anyoner's not doing it.
1160587;1434030745;mircea_popescu;gotta focus.
1160588;1434030748;nubbins`;haha
1160589;1434030763;nubbins`;i'm still working on porting 0.5.3.1 to IBM i
1160590;1434030775;nubbins`;dat built-in DB.
1160591;1434030805;*;asciilifeform wonders of which there are more - pogos, or msdos-able boxes
1160592;1434030813;mircea_popescu;‘There is no right not to be offended’ << this is broken, ftr. "there is no right TO not be offended"
1160593;1434030826;mircea_popescu;pogos.
1160594;1434030836;*;asciilifeform not so sure of this
1160595;1434030865;asciilifeform;speaking of - when's the last time anyone checked on the warehouse-full-of-pogos thing
1160596;1434030870;asciilifeform;are they still there ?
1160597;1434030882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's scheduled for after the build's ready to go.
1160598;1434030892;mircea_popescu;there's no point checking in between
1160599;1434030917;*;asciilifeform will be disappointed if they fly away. because there is not likely to be a reasonable substitute.
1160600;1434030932;asciilifeform;(a $150 box is not a substitute)
1160601;1434030940;nubbins`;until the next time some shit cloud device get liquidated
1160602;1434030954;asciilifeform;nubbins`: mno. they don't overengineer them any more
1160603;1434030958;mircea_popescu;life is what happens while software wasn't ready.
1160604;1434030959;asciilifeform;no more 1G ethernet or sata
1160605;1434030961;asciilifeform;on any of them.
1160606;1434030968;asciilifeform;nor 128 whole megs.
1160607;1434030973;nubbins`;good thing i stocked up :(
1160608;1434030984;asciilifeform;(pogo itself used to come with 256, otherwise identical)
1160609;1434030998;nubbins`;altho i'm somewhat tempted to put my SSD in this disc duplicator instead
1160610;1434031013;asciilifeform;pogo is really a 400 usd widget selling for 20.
1160611;1434031018;nubbins`;but i suppose i should wait and see if that's a necessary thing first.
1160612;1434031022;mircea_popescu;only because it's 2015
1160613;1434031028;mircea_popescu;in 2020 it will be a 1000 usd widget
1160614;1434031041;asciilifeform;aha but 1000 circa 2020 is around what 100 is now.
1160615;1434031065;*;asciilifeform puts flower on grave of 'moore's law'
1160616;1434031089;nubbins`;any of you familiar with this "M-DISC" technology?
1160617;1434031128;nubbins`;from what i can glean from marketing hype, they use special dvd-rs and ramp up the laser strength to make "permanent" optical media
1160618;1434031144;nubbins`;they keep using phrases like "ETCHED IN STONE" and shit which sounds a bit much
1160619;1434031163;asciilifeform;nubbins`: today, as 10 yrs ago, the basic tech is same. reflective layer, and above it, something that melts
1160620;1434031169;asciilifeform;laser melts hole.
1160621;1434031180;asciilifeform;this layer is typically a dye
1160622;1434031207;asciilifeform;in very spiffy disks (taiyo yuden, afaik, is the -only- remaining maker) it is gold, instead.
1160623;1434031218;asciilifeform;but above the dye (or gold) is still plexiglas
1160624;1434031244;asciilifeform;it is subject to cracking, and chemical reaction with atmosphere over time
1160625;1434031302;nubbins`;yeah
1160626;1434031303;asciilifeform;(why cracking? stress from spinning in drive)
1160627;1434031314;*;nubbins` has seen a dremel explode a CD
1160628;1434031317;asciilifeform;the '1000 years' thing is utter bunk
1160629;1434031320;asciilifeform;even 10 is pushing it
1160630;1434031329;nubbins`;http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/
1160631;1434031331;assbot;What is M-Discâ„¢? - The M-DISCâ„¢ ... ( http://bit.ly/1B5gvRk )
1160632;1434031342;nubbins`;"up to" 1000 years
1160633;1434031356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you could make them out of plain glass.
1160634;1434031362;nubbins`;they use the phrase "engraved in stone" a few times
1160635;1434031365;asciilifeform;glass, l0l!
1160636;1434031369;mircea_popescu;gold+glass > lasts forevar.
1160637;1434031373;nubbins`;borosilicate, yo.
1160638;1434031373;asciilifeform;until you drop it
1160639;1434031397;mircea_popescu;do not drop it
1160640;1434031401;mircea_popescu;you can not have EVERYTHING
1160641;1434031402;asciilifeform;or spin it in a drive
1160642;1434031405;mircea_popescu;you can only has the things you choose.
1160643;1434031408;mircea_popescu;it spins ok.
1160644;1434031415;asciilifeform;how about when drive jams.
1160645;1434031417;nubbins`;i actually make my own discs out of bronze backed w/ ultra-black nanoparticles
1160646;1434031420;mircea_popescu;fuck you then.
1160647;1434031421;asciilifeform;and disk gets 50 G's
1160648;1434031438;nubbins`;i wonder how long minidisc media holds onto data?
1160649;1434031450;*;nubbins` found his minidisc player/recorder yesterday, still works!
1160650;1434031462;asciilifeform;nubbins`: recall mircea_popescu's observation that 'backup is a process not an artifact' ?
1160651;1434031463;nubbins`;it's "magneto-optical" so i'd say fairly transient
1160652;1434031464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00037892 = 5.1912 BTC [-]
1160653;1434031482;nubbins`;asciilifeform no, but that's sage
1160654;1434031486;asciilifeform;the only backup worth mention appears to be herr torvalds's 'put it on public ftp and have people give a damn and mirror'
1160655;1434031527;mircea_popescu;right. worked splendidly for the literary cannon
1160656;1434031531;mircea_popescu;everyone's read shakespeare. right ?
1160657;1434031539;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow i rewrite it about cocks everyone'll know
1160658;1434031542;mircea_popescu;RIGHT ???
1160659;1434031565;asciilifeform;picture if bowdler had lived -today-
1160660;1434031570;mircea_popescu;he does.
1160661;1434031570;asciilifeform;and shakespeare were a www
1160662;1434031573;mircea_popescu;his name is "everyone"
1160663;1434031582;nubbins`;heh
1160664;1434031583;mircea_popescu;i'm drowning in a sea of little bowdlers.
1160665;1434031583;asciilifeform;what would we know of proper shakespeare then
1160666;1434031588;nubbins`;BOWDLER LIVES AND HIS NAME IS MAN
1160667;1434031595;mircea_popescu;we now nothing of proper shakespeare, for this reason.
1160668;1434031607;nubbins`;i learned recently that shakespeare invented the name "jessica"
1160669;1434031608;mircea_popescu;"we don't ban ideas, we just ban anything that's unbowlder, for bowlder is us"
1160670;1434031611;nubbins`;!up allahisgreat2000
1160671;1434031619;allahisgreat2000;Can I ask a question about bitbet here?
1160672;1434031621;nubbins`;allahisgreat2000: as-salaam aleikum
1160673;1434031624;nubbins`;oh
1160674;1434031626;nubbins`;i mean
1160675;1434031626;nubbins`;yes
1160676;1434031631;allahisgreat2000;salaam friend
1160677;1434031633;asciilifeform;shakespeare suffers from the other problem of backups, much lamented by astronomy/physics folk crying over old pdp-8 tapes. that is, loss of reading mechanisms...)
1160678;1434031659;allahisgreat2000;I'm having trouble figuring out how weight for a bet is calculated
1160679;1434031677;nubbins`;asciilifeform language in general suffers from loss of reading mechanisms over time
1160680;1434031678;mats;http://blog.wuntee.sexy/reaching-the-mach-layer << artifacts from a different era
1160681;1434031680;assbot;          Reaching the MACH layer · blog[wuntee]       ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUW3xW )
1160682;1434031698;nubbins`;allahisgreat2000: it's sort of complicated, and your odds will change as more people bet
1160683;1434031703;mircea_popescu;allahisgreat2000 ok, but ask a question.
1160684;1434031725;allahisgreat2000;what stops people from betting more when the results start getting obvious and ruining your bet?
1160685;1434031735;*;nubbins` seriously considers purchasing a new(er) minidisc player and some more blanks, while he still can
1160686;1434031748;mircea_popescu;allahisgreat2000 they get lower weight for betting later.
1160687;1434031753;nubbins`;allahisgreat2000: generally the weight will decrease as the bet gets closer to close.
1160688;1434031756;asciilifeform;mats: aha, 'microkernel', academitardia circa late '80s-early-'90s that apple folks still live with today.
1160689;1434031774;allahisgreat2000;but you get lower returns as well, even tho you bet early?
1160690;1434031792;nubbins`;allahisgreat2000: early bets have higher weight and are therefore worth more.
1160691;1434031811;nubbins`;a last-minute bet will take some of your winnings, yes, but they'd have to bet an enormous amount and get chump change in return
1160692;1434031814;nubbins`;example: https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
1160693;1434031814;assbot;BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No | closed 8 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUWsAs )
1160694;1434031826;nubbins`;that last bet put 8 BTC on the line, but only earned 0.2 BTC
1160695;1434031827;mircea_popescu;lol is that you nubbins` ?
1160696;1434031830;nubbins`;because the weight was so low
1160697;1434031832;nubbins`;mircea_popescu  8)
1160698;1434031850;nubbins`;had to monetize that warrant somehow
1160699;1434031870;allahisgreat2000;the weight depends on time?
1160700;1434031872;nubbins`;allahisgreat2000: the earlier 5 BTC bet won ~0.7 BTC
1160701;1434031873;nubbins`;yes.
1160702;1434031880;allahisgreat2000;oh ok
1160703;1434031880;nubbins`;note how the weight is lower for each successive bet
1160704;1434031890;nubbins`;initial bet weight: 100,000
1160705;1434031901;nubbins`;final bet weight: 24,000
1160706;1434031907;mircea_popescu;nubbins` clever.
1160707;1434031916;allahisgreat2000;I'm trying to figure out if there could be a system to combine pool betting and livebetting/betting exchange
1160708;1434031917;asciilifeform;mats: can you believe, they took seriously the idea that process separation (which barely works in 'userland') could apply to device drivers!
1160709;1434031934;asciilifeform;on a machine with von neumann arch, and even things like dma, no less
1160710;1434031948;asciilifeform;what kind of dope it was necessary to smoke, to arrive at this notion, i still do not know.
1160711;1434031959;nubbins`;mircea_popescu it took me about a week to figure out the nuts & bolts of it.
1160712;1434031970;mircea_popescu;allahisgreat2000 see http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/
1160713;1434031971;assbot;Let's understand mutual betting together on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUWWGP )
1160714;1434031990;nubbins`;but i was set to gain either way
1160715;1434032008;mats;asciilifeform: OSX has so many skeletons, from NeXT, Mach, and the PPC days...
1160716;1434032029;nubbins`;tying up 5 btc for 6 months to earn 0.7 isn't particularly lucrative; if i were to do it again, i'd do a shorter bet
1160717;1434032041;allahisgreat2000;thank you i'll read that
1160718;1434032056;asciilifeform;mats: it is, in practice, the last remaining commercial unix
1160719;1434032066;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/#selection-57.90-59.33 <<->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160714 lawls.
1160720;1434032067;assbot;Let's understand mutual betting together on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUXaOp )
1160721;1434032067;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 14:13:10; nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way
1160722;1434032069;asciilifeform;(there are nominally others but outside of usg you will never see them)
1160723;1434032099;mats;you know you're rich when a 14% ROI over 6mos is considered a weak investment
1160724;1434032115;nubbins`;mircea_popescu living proof :D
1160725;1434032134;mircea_popescu;mats no, actually, that's when you know you're poor.
1160726;1434032137;nubbins`;mats i live the life of the carefree boheme, as alf would put it
1160727;1434032141;mircea_popescu;high percentile and low basis go hand in hand.
1160728;1434032177;mats;:(
1160729;1434032181;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160319 << didn't danielpbarron want it ?
1160730;1434032181;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 12:18:37; nubbins`: i've been trying to sell a single bitcoin in -otc for three days
1160731;1434032183;asciilifeform;nubbins`: carefree l0l. so nubbins` prints because he likes the smell of ink ?
1160732;1434032186;asciilifeform;and for no other reason ?
1160733;1434032228;nubbins`;actually, i print because there's a very basic yet powerful reinforcement in holding something of beauty that you've created with your own hands.
1160734;1434032244;nubbins`;i do, incidentally, like the smell of ink, but only water-based acrylic
1160735;1434032247;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's why boys jack off.
1160736;1434032248;nubbins`;plastisol smells neutral
1160737;1434032255;nubbins`;mircea_popescu yup
1160738;1434032271;mircea_popescu;also why they dislike small penii
1160739;1434032275;asciilifeform;lol, how did it go... 'paul graham: programmers, like painters, like making things. audience wag: so do chickens!'
1160740;1434032283;mircea_popescu;(women, contrary to what they project, would biologically prefer the smaller imposition)
1160741;1434032286;nubbins`;heh
1160742;1434032303;*;nubbins` imagines that most of the lurkers in here assume he's on welfare
1160743;1434032324;mircea_popescu;weren't you derping about having tenants ?
1160744;1434032327;mircea_popescu;wut welfare is that.
1160745;1434032353;nubbins`;just one tenant now
1160746;1434032383;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance
1160747;1434032389;mircea_popescu;o.O
1160748;1434032392;mircea_popescu;i don't work in tech.
1160749;1434032405;mircea_popescu;do i work in tech ?
1160750;1434032422;nubbins`;not in this sense
1160751;1434032431;mircea_popescu;in other news, MANCAVE!!!1 http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rb04QEVv1qe9d8go1_1280.jpg
1160752;1434032432;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B5kmO8 )
1160753;1434032438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is zoologist, not 'tech'
1160754;1434032439;nubbins`;you're not on social assistance either, which puts you on one of the tails
1160755;1434032476;mircea_popescu;i think "in tech" is one of those, could either be in or out depending where you want to present yourself.
1160756;1434032512;mircea_popescu;are women that live somewhere in the continuum between chattel property and housewife on "some form of social assistance" ?
1160757;1434032518;asciilifeform;recall dijkstra's observation re: how we might regard an astronomer who introduces self as 'working in telescopy' ?
1160758;1434032523;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1160759;1434032559;nubbins`;mircea_popescu nope
1160760;1434032567;mircea_popescu;if not them, why anyone else ?
1160761;1434032568;nubbins`;unless, y'know, the husband is on social assistance.
1160762;1434032575;mircea_popescu;do you mean "centrally planned social assistance" ?
1160763;1434032578;nubbins`;i specifically mean cashing cheques written by gov.
1160764;1434032581;mircea_popescu;why should that make a difference.
1160765;1434032588;nubbins`;!!
1160766;1434032589;mircea_popescu;yes you do, but the model's broken.
1160767;1434032604;nubbins`;that's why they're sitting on irc.
1160768;1434032615;asciilifeform;somewhere, long ago, one fella (lost the link, unfortunately) described the 'in tech' folks as quite like the quasi-retarded assistants in a magic show, who think that the performance is actually -about- the ropes and trap doors
1160769;1434032623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33878 @ 0.00037857 = 12.8252 BTC [-] {2} 
1160770;1434032623;mircea_popescu;is this going to be a reductio ab coontown argument ?
1160771;1434032633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite apt.
1160772;1434032648;mircea_popescu;buncha dumb blondies all over, except they're not so nice to look at anymore.
1160773;1434032656;mircea_popescu;kinda the intension of my old "too dumb to sling dope" piece
1160774;1434032694;nubbins`;i've seen some pret-t-t-t-t-y dumb people sling dope
1160775;1434032697;nubbins`;"smart" ones too
1160776;1434032723;mircea_popescu;not this dumb.
1160777;1434032822;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyway, if your definition of social assistance is "spends govt checks" then everyone in the us is on social assistance, much like everyoner ever in any developed country throughout history, at all points.
1160778;1434032825;*;asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to write sequel, 'too dumb to build igloos'
1160779;1434032838;mircea_popescu;because essentially what statehood means is this "we band together, get the bison, and then you can have some"
1160780;1434032852;mircea_popescu;so yes roman citizens lived off the imperial dole. but also fought in the wars.
1160781;1434032861;mircea_popescu;and yes the british citizenry lived off the imperial dole. but etc.
1160782;1434032877;mircea_popescu;just as soon as people become unwilling to participate, the dole dries out AND civilisation's gone
1160783;1434032880;mircea_popescu;they go together, these.
1160784;1434032896;nubbins`;my definition is "gov gives you money for not doing anything, and this is your sole source of income"
1160785;1434032904;mircea_popescu;your definition is dumb.
1160786;1434032922;nubbins`;so are most of the people on irc.
1160787;1434032923;mircea_popescu;what is this "not doing anything", and whence it became possible to not do anything.
1160788;1434032935;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what if it gives you money through six intermediaries, and instead of 'not doing anything' you have to put on a robe and chant rain prayer every day ?
1160789;1434032939;asciilifeform;then - not 'welfare' ?
1160790;1434032952;nubbins`;what if this discussion devolved to absurdity?
1160791;1434032952;mircea_popescu;good example.
1160792;1434032966;mircea_popescu;it's not absurdity yo. it's just outside of your preconceived outlook.
1160793;1434032971;nubbins`;lel
1160794;1434032978;asciilifeform;it's where i live.
1160795;1434032988;mircea_popescu;take the mental experiment of, two states which each consist of one woman.
1160796;1434032999;mircea_popescu;state a keeps her "on welfare". state b makes her work in the grocery store.
1160797;1434033016;mircea_popescu;i visit. if it's the case that i like the rested look of the woman in a, then state a just scored. no longer welfare.
1160798;1434033032;mircea_popescu;if i like the busy look of woman in b, then b just scored. a is a pos nao shame on it for its moral bending ways.
1160799;1434033035;*;nubbins` runs out of hands, smacks face on desk
1160800;1434033042;nubbins`;i'm out
1160801;1434033043;mircea_popescu;as you can see, the entire definition rests on what ~i~ prefer,
1160802;1434033049;mircea_popescu;the rich nabob states exist to please.
1160803;1434033129;mircea_popescu;aww, and i didn't even get to inquire if the woman that said "because we are also the only ones who give birth to men." was on welfare or not.
1160804;1434033134;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever notice how office elevators are not specced to hold grizzly bears ?
1160805;1434033138;asciilifeform;why not ?
1160806;1434033158;mircea_popescu;situation not commonly encountered ?
1160807;1434033165;asciilifeform;to modern schmuck state, a character like mircea_popescu is a wtf, like a grizzly walking streets of new york
1160808;1434033173;mircea_popescu;not so.
1160809;1434033173;asciilifeform;not even considered as possibility
1160810;1434033184;mircea_popescu;the fact that pubescent girl has not considered the possibility of cock
1160811;1434033198;mircea_popescu;does not mean her cunt is not evolving with deliberate decisiveness towards accomodating it.
1160812;1434033205;mircea_popescu;natural processes contain their ends.
1160813;1434033230;mircea_popescu;this idea that homo artifex and somehow things that are are the result of deliberate reason etc...
1160814;1434033235;mircea_popescu;please. read some code sometime.
1160815;1434033246;asciilifeform;l0l who said 'reason'
1160816;1434033250;mircea_popescu;well then.
1160817;1434033304;asciilifeform;just observing that 'homo welfaricus', male and female, will live and die without encountering mircea_popescu, by approximately same reason as elevator - grizzly.
1160818;1434033313;mircea_popescu;or will they ?
1160819;1434033318;mircea_popescu;i don't have to be encountered directly.
1160820;1434033344;asciilifeform;if indirectly, as 'horseman' of popescucalypse - then surely.
1160821;1434033352;mircea_popescu;this is my objection throughout this conversation : he was cutting the definiton to its first surface, like the people in your magic show. and now you wish to cut interaction to the first branch.
1160822;1434033360;mircea_popescu;i will cloink you all in the head with a taleb hammer
1160823;1434033457;asciilifeform;well, the invocation of stretching gurlz etc. certainly suggested interaction of the flesh-to-flesh kind
1160824;1434033466;asciilifeform;but perhaps i'm just thick
1160825;1434033502;*;asciilifeform answered door, found gurl pushing jizzus saveth yer soul!!11!1 brochure in his face
1160826;1434033546;asciilifeform;wonder if the knocked next door, and got the fella in the gas mask
1160827;1434033550;nubbins`;heh
1160828;1434033561;nubbins`;i had my first jehovas a couple days ago
1160829;1434033573;nubbins`;in 4 years of living at this address
1160830;1434033573;asciilifeform;(these are still shoveling. they just brought out a very ornate lamp, covered in grime)
1160831;1434033585;nubbins`;asciilifeform maybe it's an episode of hoarders?
1160832;1434033596;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the interesting thing is,
1160833;1434033628;asciilifeform;i remarked to the pet: 'my well-informed colleagues explained to me that science knows of three species of hoarders: 'clean,' 'dirty', and 'cat' '
1160834;1434033659;asciilifeform;pet: 'realize that if we died tonight, the entire contents of this room will be carried out in just the same kind of black bags as are stacked over there'
1160835;1434033659;nubbins`;things get tangly exponentially fast with the cat ones
1160836;1434033665;mircea_popescu;i thought iut was "newspaper ; plastic bottle ; other"
1160837;1434033685;asciilifeform;crew will probably not distinguish mountain of circuit boards from the poor old woman's plastic bottles
1160838;1434033688;nubbins`;asciilifeform and they won't even wear spacesuits
1160839;1434033696;asciilifeform;they might, from general sop
1160840;1434033701;nubbins`;too true
1160841;1434033703;mircea_popescu;ahaha woman's wit...
1160842;1434033704;nubbins`;fool me once, etc
1160843;1434033706;asciilifeform;after all, who knows what a hooligan might have
1160844;1434033716;asciilifeform;esp. after they find the pcb etchants etc
1160845;1434033721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00037026 = 8.7937 BTC [-] {2} 
1160846;1434033724;mircea_popescu;time to get satin trims alf.
1160847;1434033743;nubbins`;i wonder what specific changes i'd need to make to print PCBs here
1160848;1434033751;asciilifeform;nubbins`: surprisingly few
1160849;1434033757;*;nubbins` suspects "more ventilation" is high on the list
1160850;1434033760;asciilifeform;nubbins`: you probably already own 95% of it
1160851;1434033761;*;mircea_popescu hopes to visit one such house before he dies, where half is all tussled in silks and the other half is roughtly what i imagine alf already built.
1160852;1434033766;mircea_popescu;a happy medium between the hosts.
1160853;1434033772;nubbins`;asciilifeform i think solvent inks and a few chems are about all i'd need
1160854;1434033775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pet is not the 'silks' type
1160855;1434033788;mircea_popescu;something like out of the buttefield 8 interiors.
1160856;1434033808;mircea_popescu;nubbins` by print pcbs do you mean draw on them, ordo you mean etch them ?
1160857;1434033840;asciilifeform;if i lived alone, would probably have treadplate put in. as such, wooden floor. only difference in decor accounted for by pet.
1160858;1434033844;nubbins`;draw
1160859;1434033845;nubbins`;ident layer
1160860;1434033863;nubbins`;i'm sure you could also silkscreen etching mask stuff, but sounds nasty
1160861;1434033884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you know she's not silks type ?
1160862;1434033886;asciilifeform;nubbins`: silkscreen aside, think more 'b&w photography' than printing
1160863;1434033926;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how do i know that not a dog
1160864;1434033944;mircea_popescu;i think there's a difference between those two is-es
1160865;1434033947;nubbins`;asciilifeform in fact, prepping a screen for printing is very similar to b&w photography.
1160866;1434033959;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the silkscreen on pcb is largely optional
1160867;1434033984;nubbins`;mesh is coated with photosensitive emulsion, exposed on light table w/ positive image masked
1160868;1434033989;nubbins`;etc
1160869;1434033992;asciilifeform;(component values help the folks doing the assembly, and has logo of maker, etc.)
1160870;1434034000;nubbins`;nod
1160871;1434034001;asciilifeform;nubbins`: then yes
1160872;1434034005;asciilifeform;can go, do now.
1160873;1434034020;asciilifeform;incidentally everything that is needed for small-scale (onesies-twosies) pcb making fits in a large suitcase
1160874;1434034024;asciilifeform;at least, mine does
1160875;1434034051;nubbins`;fun!
1160876;1434034059;asciilifeform;it is even possible to make proper soldermask (think the green glossy coat on most commercial boards) in jungle conditions, but this, i have not tried.
1160877;1434034081;asciilifeform;need something like the apparatus used to paint car fenders
1160878;1434034094;nubbins`;solder mask can be silkscreened
1160879;1434034117;asciilifeform;can. but any error is disastrous
1160880;1434034127;nubbins`;it's disastrous on a t-shirt too
1160881;1434034131;nubbins`;8)
1160882;1434034139;asciilifeform;i mean, off by 0.1mm - straight to dump
1160883;1434034139;*;nubbins` doesn't make errors
1160884;1434034156;nubbins`;i should show you some of the multi-layer prints i've done
1160885;1434034165;asciilifeform;any geometric distortion - straight to dump
1160886;1434034165;asciilifeform;etc.
1160887;1434034197;asciilifeform;but yes, equipment - largely same.
1160888;1434034263;*;asciilifeform just realized that neighbour's car is still in its place. perhaps she... died ?
1160889;1434034303;nubbins`;oh maybe.
1160890;1434034313;nubbins`;cats almost certainly ate her face, if so
1160891;1434034316;nubbins`;(srs)
1160892;1434034320;asciilifeform;well-known
1160893;1434034326;asciilifeform;(what else are they supposed to eat?)
1160894;1434034329;asciilifeform;snatch first ?
1160895;1434034330;nubbins`;hm, you can silkscreen etch-resist too
1160896;1434034331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00038001 = 6.9922 BTC [+]
1160897;1434034337;nubbins`;alf HEH
1160898;1434034353;decimation;I read a paper recently that indicated that there was a link between long-term cat ownership and crazy
1160899;1434034359;*;nubbins` throws paper away and devotes life to producing PCBs
1160900;1434034362;asciilifeform;decimation: the toxoplasma thing ?
1160901;1434034364;asciilifeform;overblown
1160902;1434034370;decimation;yeah I suppose that's the mechanism
1160903;1434034378;decimation;perhaps, but when you are a crazy cat lady with 50 cats...
1160904;1434034384;nubbins`;i think the mechanism is lonely people buy cats and further withdraw
1160905;1434034392;asciilifeform;would be interesting if it worked on people the same way as on rat, though
1160906;1434034407;asciilifeform;causing overwhelming urge to visit the zoo, closer and closer to lions..
1160907;1434034410;decimation;asciilifeform: I'm typing on a genuine model m, it is better than the unicomp
1160908;1434034410;nubbins`;lel
1160909;1434034413;decimation;but it is missing keys
1160910;1434034420;asciilifeform;decimation: get bag of keys on 'ebay'
1160911;1434034423;asciilifeform;or local junk shop.
1160912;1434034425;nubbins`;packs of old ladies circling the shelter all day
1160913;1434034433;decimation;no, no 'meta'
1160914;1434034434;asciilifeform;all model m keys, unlike later kbds, have same geometry
1160915;1434034436;decimation;only alt
1160916;1434034446;asciilifeform;decimation: i assume you remapped capslock
1160917;1434034450;asciilifeform;then ctrl can be meta
1160918;1434034450;decimation;of course
1160919;1434034459;nubbins`;^ geometry drove me away from DVORAK
1160920;1434034460;decimation;I didn't think of that for some reason
1160921;1434034483;decimation;but the whole point of remapping control is so that you don't cripple pinky
1160922;1434034495;mircea_popescu;so you get meta :D
1160923;1434034503;asciilifeform;i put meta on thumb
1160924;1434034511;decimation;ah right vs left
1160925;1434034512;asciilifeform;which is where 'alt' normally lives
1160926;1434034517;mircea_popescu;you emacs folk really shoulds have pedals
1160927;1434034520;mircea_popescu;there's no way around it
1160928;1434034521;asciilifeform;i have pedals.
1160929;1434034524;decimation;you can buy pedals
1160930;1434034531;mircea_popescu;the REASON it didn't use to be available was pure expense, but now every xbox comes with em
1160931;1434034535;asciilifeform;overrated. find that i don't used them often.
1160932;1434034544;asciilifeform;(reaction time. legs - long.)
1160933;1434034546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform probably because they're shitty whole foot pedals
1160934;1434034549;mircea_popescu;try toe pedals.
1160935;1434034550;asciilifeform;nah
1160936;1434034555;asciilifeform;these are proper pedals.
1160937;1434034558;decimation;somehow it works for pianos
1160938;1434034569;decimation;but timing on the 'volume control' in the piano isn't quite as critical
1160939;1434034575;mircea_popescu;orly.
1160940;1434034585;asciilifeform;http://s192804805.onlinehome.us/ebayimages/lister4_3_14/xl_Kinesis_Savant_AC004PF_(6).jpg << quite like this.
1160941;1434034587;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHVrDe )
1160942;1434034587;decimation;nevertheless, the key feel of a real model m is suprerior to unicomp
1160943;1434034608;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that looks whole foot to me.
1160944;1434034609;nubbins`;asciilifeform those look largely inefficient
1160945;1434034612;nubbins`;^^
1160946;1434034629;mircea_popescu;toe pedal. like one of those clickers people use to count crowds ?
1160947;1434034636;asciilifeform;i would like something more like what one finds in an old airplane, yes
1160948;1434034641;asciilifeform;but would have to build this
1160949;1434034647;asciilifeform;(not aware of any commercial supplier)
1160950;1434034654;nubbins`;you need something like a stompbox
1160951;1434034658;asciilifeform;mno
1160952;1434034661;asciilifeform;gotta be digital
1160953;1434034662;mircea_popescu;right, because a clicker's hard nao
1160954;1434034664;asciilifeform;as in, hard transition
1160955;1434034678;nubbins`;stompbox casing w/ whatever switch you like
1160956;1434034688;asciilifeform;can rest foot on it?
1160957;1434034697;decimation;asdf asdfasdfasdfsasdfasdfasdfsdfa~/
1160958;1434034697;decimation;44444545451234123
1160959;1434034706;decimation;doh sorry for the chan spam
1160960;1434034709;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu was largely correct, one reason i'm not overly fond of this pedal is the difficulty of resting the foot )
1160961;1434034715;nubbins`;how about a sewing machine pedal?
1160962;1434034719;asciilifeform;again, analogue
1160963;1434034723;asciilifeform;i must have the click
1160964;1434034743;nubbins`;kick drum pedal w/ clicky button under the hammer.
1160965;1434034743;decimation;yeah, instant feedback
1160966;1434034750;nubbins`;wait, no
1160967;1434034757;nubbins`;apple "magic mouse" resting on floor.
1160968;1434034759;nubbins`;8)
1160969;1434034761;asciilifeform;(btw i began with a sewing machine pedal. turns out, they have terrible analogue noise in the switching mechanism )
1160970;1434034766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know you could prolly hack a gravimeter off an old "smart"phone and a sock together into an excellent pedal.
1160971;1434034774;asciilifeform;again gotta have the click-snap
1160972;1434034782;mircea_popescu;arbitrarily defined and hten learned
1160973;1434034785;asciilifeform;not enough to just push foot against piece of shit
1160974;1434034796;decimation;without tactile feedback for when shit 'breaks'
1160975;1434034800;asciilifeform;(which is why 'data glove' is lunacy)
1160976;1434034802;mircea_popescu;ah, no, this was for sitting crosslegged
1160977;1434034809;mircea_popescu;and twitch your off the ground foot
1160978;1434034819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00038001 = 1.273 BTC [+]
1160979;1434034830;nubbins`;asciilifeform have you considered just mounting a keyboard spring mechanism on a piece of wood and putting a hinged cover on it?
1160980;1434034838;mircea_popescu;i dunno how much you folk spend crosslegged tho
1160981;1434034843;nubbins`;you could use your favourite letter.
1160982;1434034856;decimation;what about that guy who did the card-counting scam in the casino
1160983;1434034858;asciilifeform;nubbins`: considered a gigantic version of 'buckling spring' as seen in model m
1160984;1434034866;asciilifeform;but realized that it has to be finely adjustible
1160985;1434034866;decimation;he used a foot-counter of some kind
1160986;1434034877;asciilifeform;decimation: he used a tact switch in his show.
1160987;1434034878;asciilifeform;shoe
1160988;1434034887;nubbins`;asciilifeform put some levelers under the spring mech so you can raise/lower it
1160989;1434034888;asciilifeform;under toe.
1160990;1434034895;nubbins`;even a simple turnscrew
1160991;1434034910;asciilifeform;nubbins`: arrived at this very thing. but did not build, because too few hands.
1160992;1434034916;asciilifeform;it is still on the list.
1160993;1434034919;nubbins`;well :D
1160994;1434034940;decimation;on the other hand, organists play entire keyboard with feet
1160995;1434034950;asciilifeform;decimation: 'not from a good life'
1160996;1434034955;asciilifeform;the instrument demands it.
1160997;1434034959;decimation;go to a church with a proper pipe organ and see
1160998;1434034963;nubbins`;it's true
1160999;1434034963;*;asciilifeform saw
1161000;1434034967;nubbins`;the hands are just for show
1161001;1434034980;nubbins`;like a conductor
1161002;1434034982;nubbins`;8)
1161003;1434034986;decimation;not only that but ranks of pull-switches to change voice
1161004;1434035011;asciilifeform;decimation: i recently learned that one of the great theatre organs, 'wurlitzers,' still works!
1161005;1434035015;nubbins`;asciilifeform arcade-style buttons have a nice click and reasonable action
1161006;1434035046;asciilifeform;nubbins`: perhaps when they're new? i don't think i've ever encountered one that wasn't obviously mashed to all hell
1161007;1434035064;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.adrianworks.com/pod/source/image/berkeley-theatre-organ.jpg << these
1161008;1434035065;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWmDM )
1161009;1434035065;nubbins`;http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/610198841_1/50-PCS-lot-America-style-Round-Push-Button-parts-for-arcade-game-machine-white-black-blue.jpg
1161010;1434035066;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWkM9 )
1161011;1434035066;decimation;asciilifeform: they are now associated with 'black church music'
1161012;1434035072;nubbins`;i've got a box full of them somewhere
1161013;1434035075;decimation;but used to be common in everyday 'talkie'
1161014;1434035085;nubbins`;nice click. i think they bounce like crazy tho
1161015;1434035099;asciilifeform;http://www.cotps.com/cotps-sold/i205.jpg << percussion section from a 'wurlitzer'
1161016;1434035100;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWpPU )
1161017;1434035100;nubbins`;but very satisfying to push
1161018;1434035129;*;nubbins` frowns, considers building MAME cabinet
1161019;1434035136;decimation;heh that's neat
1161020;1434035151;decimation;obviously the point was to save on labor - 'one man band'
1161021;1434035165;asciilifeform;aha.
1161022;1434035173;*;asciilifeform bbl
1161023;1434035190;nubbins`;JESUS that's an organ
1161024;1434035198;nubbins`;this is like the analog equivalent of a room-sized Moog
1161025;1434035206;*;decimation back to the mines...
1161026;1434035216;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160496 << Almost all 'Murican Bison live on closed ranches now, Ted Turner et all. Almost all are genertically 25-50% cow in ancestry
1161027;1434035216;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 13:33:12; asciilifeform: unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether
1161028;1434035265;nubbins`;i thought you guys called em buffalo
1161029;1434035310;BingoBoingo;Wild Bison release still largely verboten for the same reason they were eradicated. Transportation issues and can't let the Sioux get a foothold.
1161030;1434035360;mircea_popescu;bison bison is one thing, the us buffalo. bison bonasus is the european guy, like the one discussed above.
1161031;1434035365;mircea_popescu;there is no "bison" outside of this.
1161032;1434035403;mircea_popescu;and bos sp (ie, cows/oxen of all types) hybridize with it.
1161033;1434035446;mircea_popescu;unlike the case with  eq. africanus / eq, caballus, the offspring's not usually infertile.
1161034;1434035527;mircea_popescu;(the yak, although long haired, is still a sort of cow, rather than a sort of bison)
1161035;1434035853;nubbins`;theatre organs, who knew
1161036;1434035857;nubbins`;fascinating
1161037;1434035888;BingoBoingo;Oh http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26807
1161038;1434035889;assbot;Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZtLHf )
1161039;1434036005;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated stuff : it is perhaps known by the esteemed audience that the (mostly) lacedemonian cult of hyacinth most likely provided the backing for most of christianity's christ-centric mythology (as opposed to its mary fixations).
1161040;1434036034;mircea_popescu;specifically, this was a very accomplished youth that was disputed by the sun god and the wind god, and favoured the sun god. so the wind god arranged for something to fall on his head.
1161041;1434036039;mircea_popescu;but then he was... reborn.
1161042;1434036063;mircea_popescu;so they had a festival (hyacinthia) which took three days, and the first was mourning, and the 2nd celebration over the alleged rebirth and so on.
1161043;1434036091;mircea_popescu;all this, a good five to ten centuries before jewish sect split off.
1161044;1434036100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18774 @ 0.00037137 = 6.9721 BTC [-] {2} 
1161045;1434036143;mircea_popescu;and the spartans took breaks from their wars to go back and celebrate... hyacinthsmas.
1161046;1434036212;mircea_popescu;!up ksipax
1161047;1434036231;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo haha ocol
1161048;1434036335;pete_dushenski;lol hyacinthmas !
1161049;1434036385;pete_dushenski;i could see secular post-post-modern version being 'narcissismas'
1161050;1434036437;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/FirefoxSetup29.exe << mystery "firefox 29" version from oldapps.com hosted
1161051;1434036443;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZBLc )
1161052;1434036464;pete_dushenski;i also found that the winbloze "firefox 29" links to... the exact same mystery file
1161053;1434036496;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/want-high-end-flight-sim-pedals-put-500-in-a-polish-bank-account-and-contact-slaw/
1161054;1434036497;assbot;Want high-end flight sim pedals? Put $500 in a Polish bank account and contact Slaw | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZK1q )
1161055;1434036498;pete_dushenski;in the 20-odd other versions i checked, all the others linked to the expected file
1161056;1434036558;mircea_popescu;haha narcissismas works
1161057;1434036571;mircea_popescu;"at this sacred time of the year we go back home to be by ourselves)
1161058;1434036661;pete_dushenski;"on our phones. in front of the mirror. while sitting on the shitter."
1161059;1434036687;pete_dushenski;"it's how we remember where we came from and where we're going"
1161060;1434036722;pete_dushenski;in other news, inflation strikes mozilla : "Mozilla has more than doubled the cash rewards under its dusty bug bounty to beyond $10,000."
1161061;1434036732;pete_dushenski;up from $3k 5 years ago
1161062;1434036908;BingoBoingo;Ok they keep rolling in http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26810
1161063;1434036909;assbot;Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0EuH )
1161064;1434036928;mircea_popescu;lmao
1161065;1434036985;pete_dushenski;hahaha notbad
1161066;1434037021;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc87lbpH7r1rsl8k7o1_500.gif << woman's shadow, greatly exceeds the size of the woman
1161067;1434037022;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0YcV )
1161068;1434037090;pete_dushenski;guy watching shadow out of corner of his eye
1161069;1434037137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00036224 = 11.2838 BTC [-] {2} 
1161070;1434038036;scoopbot_revived;Exodus From New York Begins http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-new-york-begins/
1161071;1434038334;BingoBoingo;;;later tell copypaste nice work https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHOBXVZVIAAMylU.png:large
1161072;1434038335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsRGPN )
1161073;1434038335;pete_dushenski;"the fledgling accountless Bitcoin gaming site Satoshi Dice lead it to a long reign" << BingoBoingo wordiness aside, it's missing "and"
1161074;1434038335;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1161075;1434038394;BingoBoingo;Fixed, pete_dushenski but instead of "and" fixed it with "ing"
1161076;1434038452;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: also "as the most popular Bitcoin gambling sites of the time." << mixing singular and plural
1161077;1434038525;mircea_popescu;i can't read that fuckin ss. can't it be a log in text format like with sane ppls.
1161078;1434038666;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: copypaste twatter'd it as an image
1161079;1434038685;BingoBoingo;Basically copypaste pointed out reddit users are cuckolds who just take it
1161080;1434038755;mircea_popescu;anyway, copypaste has it. "adjusting to circumvent the rules" is more empowering of the idiots than actually following the rules. NO. let them go hang with their rules.
1161081;1434038787;mircea_popescu;david thorne basically has it : http://www.27bslash6.com/massanutten.html
1161082;1434038789;assbot;Massanutten. Water slides, mini-golf and bears. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMHJ0r )
1161083;1434038805;mircea_popescu;Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority, I will continue to secure trash correctly.
1161084;1434038816;mircea_popescu;there shall be no toleration of improper authority.
1161085;1434039455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59176 @ 0.00036591 = 21.6531 BTC [+] {2} 
1161086;1434039460;mircea_popescu;http://www.27bslash6.com/interviews.html << look at that, he updated.
1161087;1434039461;assbot;"How is this an issue? Just ask ten fucking interview questions." ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsVCjq )
1161088;1434039516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40367 @ 0.00038149 = 15.3996 BTC [+]
1161089;1434039551;pete_dushenski;"I have also heard that music soothes the savage beast but the last time I sang Whitney Houston's 'The Greatest Love of All' to my offspring, it had the opposite effect despite what I considered to be an excellent reproduction of her tonal range." << combined with dog/bear in jeep and... i died !
1161090;1434039681;BingoBoingo;Have an actual zippo now apparently there is something 'Murica still manufacters well http://imgur.com/y8raHin
1161091;1434039681;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWggS )
1161092;1434039759;pete_dushenski;"I know someone who contracted Ross River Virus several years ago and he needs to be pushed around in a wheel-chair, moaning the whole time about his joints and inadequate ramp access. I visited him in his ground-floor apartment once but it was a miserable and forced conversation so I told him I had a present for him in the car and went to get it. Then drove home."
1161093;1434039760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12653 @ 0.00038149 = 4.827 BTC [+]
1161094;1434039882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00036061 = 38.1886 BTC [-] {5} 
1161095;1434039907;nubbins`;http://gschoppe.com/embedded/the-anonybox-squid-socks-and-openvpn-all-for-15/
1161096;1434039909;assbot;The AnonyBox – Squid, SOCKS, and OpenVPN, all for $15 | Gschoppe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWVia )
1161097;1434039909;pete_dushenski;quite the little spread between bid/ask on mpoe these last few days.
1161098;1434040082;BingoBoingo;Oh, reddit banned an subreddit dedicated to actual whale watching thinking it was a part of the fat hate movement https://archive.is/nsZKC
1161099;1434040083;assbot;whalewatching ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMJUkr )
1161100;1434040222;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski im surprised he's not a lot more widely known.
1161101;1434040229;mircea_popescu;for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan
1161102;1434040240;pete_dushenski;he's... not ?!
1161103;1434040248;mircea_popescu;i dunno
1161104;1434040249;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahaha
1161105;1434040290;pete_dushenski;i came across thorne a few years back when a friend bought me a collection of his stories
1161106;1434040295;pete_dushenski;epic lulzfest
1161107;1434040326;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and i expect reddit admins don't now self ban for the whale watching incident because while they don't ban ideas but actiosn, nevertheless their own actions are extempt, because
1161108;1434040330;mircea_popescu;"io was just doing my job"
1161109;1434040332;pete_dushenski;pretty sure i mentioned and sourced (at least) one of his pieces for a contravex article a few months back
1161110;1434040346;mircea_popescu;ie, to the bureaucrat's mind, HE is the only one entitled to be in the world (on account of his job)
1161111;1434040346;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1161112;1434040350;mircea_popescu;everyone else - just a guest here.
1161113;1434040358;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what we'll be doing to them.
1161114;1434040363;mircea_popescu;everyone ELSE is entitled to be here
1161115;1434040368;mircea_popescu;but bureaucrats have no civil rights
1161116;1434040374;mircea_popescu;you feel rapey one morning, rape a cop.
1161117;1434040377;mircea_popescu;that's what they're there for.
1161118;1434040394;BingoBoingo;This seems to be the reddit's last inflection point on the digg curve https://archive.is/p72br
1161119;1434040394;assbot;all subreddits ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKpuK )
1161120;1434040396;pete_dushenski;the world must conform to the bureaucrat's 'ideas', namely, the words scrawled on the 'regulation' piece of paper
1161121;1434040421;pete_dushenski;though they have no idea from whence these words came
1161122;1434040428;pete_dushenski;'mana from heaven'
1161123;1434040436;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the funny thing is, they watched the internet completely destroy the journalism business model, 1990-2010
1161124;1434040439;pete_dushenski;"you should be grateful"
1161125;1434040444;mircea_popescu;and did not for a second realise that... guess who's next ?
1161126;1434040451;mircea_popescu;as they say, if you don't know who's next.... you're next.
1161127;1434040464;punkman;oh a new one http://www.27bslash6.com/chairs.html
1161128;1434040465;assbot;It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKv5A )
1161129;1434040465;pete_dushenski;"first they came for... etc"
1161130;1434040510;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: bureaucrats probably assumed they could throw manufacturing under the bus next
1161131;1434040514;pete_dushenski;perhaps academia
1161132;1434040519;mircea_popescu;except nobody asks them :)
1161133;1434040536;pete_dushenski;true !
1161134;1434040606;BingoBoingo;Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made
1161135;1434040648;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: simple enough mechanism, i guess
1161136;1434040655;pete_dushenski;not a car, dishwasher, etc
1161137;1434040675;BingoBoingo;My though is maybe the manufactering setup is too expensive to move?
1161138;1434040696;pete_dushenski;also, smokers are a traditional bunch, not looking for bluetooth connectivity on their zippo
1161139;1434040733;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: more likely brand value of "made in usa" and sufficiently cheap labour (non-union)
1161140;1434040734;BingoBoingo;yes we are
1161141;1434040752;BingoBoingo;Well the thing is stamped pennsylvania so likely union
1161142;1434040775;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo could be a case of brazil made but well hidden fact fraud. how do you know it's us made ?
1161143;1434040803;BingoBoingo;that is a point
1161144;1434040879;BingoBoingo;Can't find anything online about the great zippo layoff though
1161145;1434040918;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160746 << 'majority' is only 51%, even though i agree that 'direct welfare' is an awful definition
1161146;1434040918;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 14:19:43; nubbins`: mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance
1161147;1434040972;mircea_popescu;in any case, i'll make the point that i am not at all against welfare, but i am dead-stone-cold against the state having anything to do with it.
1161148;1434040991;mircea_popescu;it's a source of power for it that it should never even dream of, and it's a source of moral hazard for society the likes of which can not even be described.
1161149;1434040997;nubbins`;;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V
1161150;1434040998;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt0jK5 )
1161151;1434040998;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1161152;1434041007;mircea_popescu;welfare, like ownership of women and children, should be strictly in the hands of the citizenry.
1161153;1434041061;mircea_popescu;(the two incidentally are not at all that distinct, welfare and ownership of people as things)
1161154;1434041134;pete_dushenski;just found a curious bug in search.b-a : if the search contains the '%' symbol, clicking 'next page' sends you back to the blank search homepage
1161155;1434041143;pete_dushenski;^kakobrekla
1161156;1434041164;pete_dushenski;not necessarily a big deal, just to note.
1161157;1434041242;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: so it's in the state's interest to maximise welfare distribution
1161158;1434041253;pete_dushenski;as it would be for any private citizen
1161159;1434041271;mircea_popescu;well, it baloons because the state doesn't have to pay for it.
1161160;1434041290;mircea_popescu;if i got to sign checks off your bank account, i could probably have enough "friends" to fill your house with drunks.
1161161;1434041303;pete_dushenski;whereas a citizen is limited by his own pocketbook, right.
1161162;1434041317;mircea_popescu;if you also gotta make that money first...
1161163;1434041327;mircea_popescu;as shown by the relative rarity of homeowners filling thew place with drunks.
1161164;1434041336;mircea_popescu;(rent!=ownership here)
1161165;1434041461;pete_dushenski;which gives us "low-income/social" housing
1161166;1434041538;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1161167;1434041651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29077 @ 0.00036356 = 10.5712 BTC [+] {3} 
1161168;1434041756;nubbins`;ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161149
1161169;1434041756;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 16:43:17; nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V
1161170;1434041765;nubbins`;i believe you requested this a while back
1161171;1434042066;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1161172;1434042069;gribble;Current Blocks: 360488 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 57 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1161173;1434042079;pete_dushenski;none...
1161174;1434042091;pete_dushenski;;;nethash
1161175;1434042092;gribble;383308350.87
1161176;1434042100;pete_dushenski;mhm.
1161177;1434042195;ascii_field;nubbins`: i'm out here sans key
1161178;1434042199;ascii_field;will have to look, later
1161179;1434042204;nubbins`;a treat for later
1161180;1434042207;ascii_field;ok
1161181;1434042250;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: afaik NOBODY makes good digital pedals
1161182;1434042259;ascii_field;(entirely not same animal as racing or flightsim pedals)
1161183;1434042266;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Ah digital. yeah that's analog
1161184;1434042444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00038149 = 9.8806 BTC [+]
1161185;1434042560;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161101 << wai wat, of what ?
1161186;1434042560;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 16:30:29; mircea_popescu: for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan
1161187;1434042656;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: of the thorne guy
1161188;1434042675;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
1161189;1434042676;assbot;"Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt4Wnr )
1161190;1434042784;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161134 << what's it, a bottle of petrol and a flint ?
1161191;1434042784;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 16:36:46; BingoBoingo: Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made
1161192;1434042794;ascii_field;archetypically american archaicism
1161193;1434042805;ascii_field;(butane lighters have existed for what, half a century now ?)
1161194;1434042836;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: It's a wick that runs through a course of rayon balls soaked in naptha
1161195;1434042850;BingoBoingo;Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker
1161196;1434042905;BingoBoingo;Not a single moving part or wear item that isn't user servicable
1161197;1434043020;*;BingoBoingo has used butane lighters for the longest time, almost always disposable. The refilable ones don't tend to last. 
1161198;1434043020;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i often find these on the pavement. when turned over, they invariably read 'made in china'
1161199;1434043054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00036392 = 6.1502 BTC [-] {2} 
1161200;1434043079;BingoBoingo;I've had previous lighters of the zippo form before , but they almost always leaked within weeks of purchase
1161201;1434043102;BingoBoingo;And if Imma smoke cigarettes I don't want my meat becoming a fire hazard
1161202;1434043225;nubbins`;ascii_field "fake zippos" are plentiful and outnumber the real ones thousands to one
1161203;1434043253;nubbins`;"real zippos" come with lifetime warranties, and if you mail them a broken zippo from 1930 they'll fix it for free
1161204;1434043263;nubbins`;and truly are windproof
1161205;1434043281;nubbins`;i can hold one 6" from my face and empty my lungs at it without extinguishing the flame
1161206;1434043313;*;BingoBoingo has been lighing cigarettes in front of fans in awe. I don't know what I was missing with "Bic"
1161207;1434043315;nubbins`;that said, the ubiquitous Bic lighter is a marvel in its own right
1161208;1434043336;BingoBoingo;It is. Bic will probably remain my lighter for driving
1161209;1434043373;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1161210;1434043376;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: why not the electric lighter built into the car?
1161211;1434043406;BingoBoingo;My beloved Saturn, which has forded floods and traversed cornfields... lacks one
1161212;1434043425;BingoBoingo;Instead it has utility plug which rejects replacement lighters
1161213;1434043444;BingoBoingo;Just refuses to heat them
1161214;1434043445;ascii_field;wai wat, how ?!
1161215;1434043460;BingoBoingo;I dunno how, but I've tried.
1161216;1434043469;nubbins`;heh
1161217;1434043479;nubbins`;contact the dealership
1161218;1434043491;BingoBoingo;Maybe some Z80 motherfucker detects the resistance of a lighter
1161219;1434043492;nubbins`;my car also has a "power outlet" w/ no lighter
1161220;1434043506;nubbins`;but those things suck anyway
1161221;1434043508;nubbins`;dodgy to use
1161222;1434043516;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Dealership was rental place which rented car previously
1161223;1434043519;BingoBoingo;!up mixdio
1161224;1434043522;nubbins`;just as likely for the cig to stick to the coil and you end up with a hot cherry in your lap
1161225;1434043552;nubbins`;plus they get dirty w/ ash etc
1161226;1434043566;nubbins`;about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home
1161227;1434043570;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Yeah in previous car I disliked it. Cig sticks the thing stays hot so potential disaster if dropped. No point in it if it can only be safely used while parked or staopped
1161228;1434043586;nubbins`;i dropped the car lighter once while driving, had to pull over
1161229;1434043602;BingoBoingo;<nubbins`> about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home << have done this numberous times. Works splendidly
1161230;1434043616;nubbins`;works splendidly but i bet you swore for a bic each time
1161231;1434043645;BingoBoingo;Nah, only most times. Most times did it as a party trick for visiting smoker guests.
1161232;1434043863;nubbins`;all this talk of smoking
1161233;1434043866;nubbins`;:/
1161234;1434043890;ascii_field;in other news,
1161235;1434043897;ascii_field;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC3860B1F474ECBA8A5E4B3EE68EC611E2A60731994E56C22070EC864766D4A6
1161236;1434043899;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt9wC0 )
1161237;1434043904;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt9zOi )
1161238;1434043987;*;BingoBoingo pretty sure he has figured out the part of leak resistance most zippo clones neglect.
1161239;1434044067;BingoBoingo;combination of plated brass case and steel fuel holding insert is the trick (beyond measurements)
1161240;1434044117;nubbins`;brass and steel huh
1161241;1434044160;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Well think about the metals in terms on conparatice hardness and their willingness to flex
1161242;1434044216;nubbins`;i will do no such thing!
1161243;1434044298;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
1161244;1434044299;assbot;Medical marijuana legal in all forms, Supreme Court rules - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbmTF )
1161245;1434044396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00036801 = 10.2675 BTC [+]
1161246;1434044403;BingoBoingo;fine, the outer case is a plated flexible Brass, the inner insert is rigid steel. There is a taper and ring combination between the case and inset that is tight to non-polar fluids. Aluminum on aluminum and Zamac on Zamac don't accomplish this. <<< ATTN CHINESE COUNTERFEITERS PLS ACK
1161247;1434044406;nubbins`;related:
1161248;1434044407;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/my-qp-why-does-my-child-have-to-smoke-his-medical-marijuana-1.2841202
1161249;1434044407;assbot;My QP: Why does my child have to smoke his medical marijuana? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbQcm )
1161250;1434044459;nubbins`;10yo kid has severe epilepsy, weed reduces their frequency by 99%, kid is not permitted to eat hash brownie
1161251;1434044463;nubbins`;MUST smoke joint
1161252;1434044468;nubbins`;(until today!)
1161253;1434044478;BingoBoingo;Brass though generaly a useful metal. doesn't spark.
1161254;1434044605;nubbins`;"We will continue to combat it. We will continue our anti-drug strategy, we will target youth with the message that marijuana pot is bad for them," the minister said.
1161255;1434044616;nubbins`;marijuana pot is bad for you
1161256;1434044885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00035513 = 7.6886 BTC [-]
1161257;1434045049;*;jurov hits nubbins` into the head with the pot
1161258;1434045056;jurov;BAD FOR YA, I TOLD YOU
1161259;1434045194;*;BingoBoingo may be wrong about bimetallic theory, 0.5 BTC is too much to test at the moment http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023714
1161260;1434045195;assbot;Zippo - Slim® (Style #1500-000038-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCCHV1 )
1161261;1434045198;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1161262;1434045341;BingoBoingo;!up allahisgreat2000
1161263;1434045347;allahisgreat2000;ty
1161264;1434045351;BingoBoingo;allahisgreat2000: Further BitBet questions?
1161265;1434045359;allahisgreat2000;yes
1161266;1434045365;jurov;;;seen yhwh
1161267;1434045366;gribble;I have not seen yhwh.
1161268;1434045368;BingoBoingo;!up BoobBarker
1161269;1434045368;jurov;;;seen yhwh_
1161270;1434045369;gribble;yhwh_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <yhwh_> tight
1161271;1434045376;BingoBoingo;allahisgreat2000: continue
1161272;1434045383;allahisgreat2000;I just wanted to ask why the provision is so low
1161273;1434045392;BingoBoingo;Which provision?
1161274;1434045401;allahisgreat2000;the 1 %
1161275;1434045407;allahisgreat2000;bitbet takes
1161276;1434045416;BingoBoingo;Because some bets get BIG
1161277;1434045426;kakobrekla;cheap whores
1161278;1434045430;BingoBoingo;;;google biggest bets on Bitbet
1161279;1434045432;gribble;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B ...: <https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/>; BitBet: <https://bitbet.us/>; BitBet history on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-history/>
1161280;1434045443;BingoBoingo;But yes also cheap whores
1161281;1434045449;allahisgreat2000;oh nice
1161282;1434045481;allahisgreat2000;someone lost 400,000 dollars hahahahahha
1161283;1434045488;allahisgreat2000;I can't help but laugh
1161284;1434045517;allahisgreat2000;sorry
1161285;1434045549;jurov;wait till you lose big on "easy" bets
1161286;1434045561;kakobrekla;jus bet on no
1161287;1434045565;allahisgreat2000;basically
1161288;1434045571;allahisgreat2000;just bet against bitcoin and you're fine
1161289;1434045592;jurov;do is mell martingale?
1161290;1434045632;BingoBoingo;Not always bet against bitcoin, and not always on no
1161291;1434045643;allahisgreat2000;why did some bets get so much popularity
1161292;1434045643;BingoBoingo;;;google bitbet worth more than satoshi dice
1161293;1434045645;gribble;Satoshi Dice - The Biggest Bitcoin Game in the World: <https://www.satoshidice.com/>; NEXT: 06-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2014>; A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - Btc Alpha: <http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/>
1161294;1434045694;BingoBoingo;;;google site:bitbet.us bitbet worth more than satoshi dice
1161295;1434045696;gribble;BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th ...: <https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/>
1161296;1434045738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5043 @ 0.00035513 = 1.7909 BTC [-]
1161297;1434045771;allahisgreat2000;are there other sites like bitbet?
1161298;1434045796;BingoBoingo;https://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/
1161299;1434045797;assbot;BitBet - BitBet will we worth more than Satoshi Dice :: 3.92 B (18%) on Yes, 17.83 B (82%) on No | closed 1 year 11 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1MthlHX )
1161300;1434045801;BingoBoingo;Not really
1161301;1434045836;allahisgreat2000;if not they could probably raise to 5%, I don't think it would seriously set people back from betting
1161302;1434045841;allahisgreat2000;and that's 5x the profit
1161303;1434045854;allahisgreat2000;just my 2 percent
1161304;1434046226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00035874 = 4.8789 BTC [+] {2} 
1161305;1434046281;BingoBoingo;allahisgreat2000: Well, the thing is since they already get betting volume 1% keeps away erstwhile competitors
1161306;1434046363;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: 0.5 btc too much for lighter, then 50 btc is right out eh. http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023765
1161307;1434046364;assbot;Zippo - Classic (Style #195-001-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtjCTx )
1161308;1434046376;pete_dushenski;hm. lighter or mpex seat.
1161309;1434046380;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Indeed
1161310;1434046486;allahisgreat2000;bitbet trades on mpex
1161311;1434046490;allahisgreat2000;is it a registered company?
1161312;1434046497;allahisgreat2000;or how does it work
1161313;1434046522;pete_dushenski;in other news, rupert murdoch stepped down as ceo of 21st century fox today
1161314;1434046592;allahisgreat2000;i'll try to google it I guess
1161315;1434046662;BingoBoingo;allahisgreat2000: It trades is registered on MPEx
1161316;1434046698;allahisgreat2000;it trades as a registered company itself?
1161317;1434046750;pete_dushenski;allahisgreat2000: being traded on mpex is a registration of sorts unto itself
1161318;1434046763;pete_dushenski;arguably the one and only (tm)
1161319;1434046911;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker << this. butane sucks.
1161320;1434046918;mircea_popescu;i dunno who the fuck uses them for for what.
1161321;1434046943;BingoBoingo;I mean the butane torch lighters are cool... until they need refilled
1161322;1434046993;allahisgreat2000;why does mpex has such a poor layout?
1161323;1434047012;mircea_popescu;because you're new and have nfi.
1161324;1434047024;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1161325;1434047035;allahisgreat2000;it's still shitty
1161326;1434047080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15719 @ 0.00036532 = 5.7425 BTC [+]
1161327;1434047105;mircea_popescu;M * 193 ? heh
1161328;1434047120;TheNewDeal;for the lelz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2CEJb4oyY
1161329;1434047121;assbot;Criminal Masterminds: Man uses balloons to dispose of illegal drugs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtmyj7 )
1161330;1434047148;BingoBoingo;<allahisgreat2000> why does mpex has such a poor layout? << easy to parse
1161331;1434047246;mircea_popescu;ftr i'd rather not see more from this derp this year.
1161332;1434047259;BingoBoingo;yeah
1161333;1434047297;mircea_popescu;"oh raise it 5x it'd raise 5x and wouldn't lower 5x just my 2%" he should probably target young people with pot messages.
1161334;1434047310;nubbins`;so i now have "concierge service" with the royal canadian mint
1161335;1434047313;nubbins`;o.O
1161336;1434047316;mircea_popescu;either that or he's one of those people who've been targetted by ministers
1161337;1434047320;mircea_popescu;which IS bad for them
1161338;1434047324;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: add an item to the 'civilization no longer knows how to make these not be garbage' list: logic analyzers...
1161339;1434047330;mircea_popescu;the jury's still out on weed. but fucking ministers are HORRIBLE for youth
1161340;1434047348;nubbins`;i'll be the first to say weed messes kids up
1161341;1434047368;nubbins`;i guess i won't be the first.
1161342;1434047369;nubbins`;heh
1161343;1434047428;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc1pvnNEvi1r3si7eo1_500.gif << liek fresh apple pie
1161344;1434047429;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtnAvw )
1161345;1434047446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18710 @ 0.00036532 = 6.8351 BTC [+]
1161346;1434047474;TheNewDeal;speaking of fresh. Yesterday was quite the day in fresh news
1161347;1434047484;mircea_popescu;wha happened ?
1161348;1434047498;TheNewDeal;4 articles published
1161349;1434047527;TheNewDeal;and I think 3 were in a matter of a few hours
1161350;1434047532;mircea_popescu; o you mean qntra ?
1161351;1434047569;TheNewDeal;well I said news, of course
1161352;1434047599;TheNewDeal;whats the 1 day record?
1161353;1434047615;mircea_popescu;might have been... gotta consult teh experts.
1161354;1434047718;TheNewDeal;looks like feb 18th might have it
1161355;1434047740;TheNewDeal;scratch that
1161356;1434047775;mircea_popescu;so why not write one an' help the records along?
1161357;1434047817;TheNewDeal;oO
1161358;1434047827;BingoBoingo;If I remember right 5-ish was the record
1161359;1434047842;TheNewDeal;Oct 9th, 2013 - (11)
1161360;1434047933;TheNewDeal;I had an idea for one titled the U.S. War on Crptography, but it started looking like garbage to me. Might have to go back for a rewrite
1161361;1434047952;mircea_popescu;the first 10`000 or so rewrites are always the hardest
1161362;1434047958;mircea_popescu;you go numb after that.
1161363;1434047961;TheNewDeal;hahaha
1161364;1434048018;mircea_popescu;!up goregrind
1161365;1434048272;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Instead of big sweeping pieces it is easier to start with smaller ones that lead to a big sweeping piece later. It is alwas possible to cite oneself later
1161366;1434048311;TheNewDeal;not a bad idea
1161367;1434048353;TheNewDeal;Although I think I'm slightly braindamaged and forget how to find real news. Where exists real breaking news these days, outside of the propaganda machine?
1161368;1434048379;TheNewDeal;the blagosphere?
1161369;1434048408;BingoBoingo;AH, actual news is hard to find
1161370;1434048660;jurov;if you do stuff, real news will find you
1161371;1434048710;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal actually, you could go ask people things.
1161372;1434048731;mircea_popescu;take random "event" as reported by the noisemakers, ask the people involved intelligent questions, write down their answers.
1161373;1434048752;mircea_popescu;can't miss. nobody in "journalism" has asked an intelligent question since that time in 1996 that chick asked me if she may suck my cock.
1161374;1434048811;jurov;lol as today, due to my stint at hard-of-hearing nonprofit (now defunct, but my phone is still listed on only non-derpy slovak website related to hearing disability)
1161375;1434048822;jurov;i got a call from immigration police
1161376;1434048843;jurov;"we have sme deaf ukrainians here, we dun know wtf to do"
1161377;1434048873;kakobrekla;did you tell em they are just pretending
1161378;1434048926;mircea_popescu;^
1161379;1434048933;jurov;heh i had to explain them twice why the sign language may be different here and there, their manner convinced me they are genuine cops
1161380;1434048947;mircea_popescu;not the cops. the ukrs.
1161381;1434048965;jurov;oh. never occurred to me
1161382;1434048968;mircea_popescu;lol
1161383;1434048971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20563 @ 0.00036532 = 7.5121 BTC [+]
1161384;1434049039;jurov;but i meant that as illustration for TheNewDeal that if you get involved, things happen. soe are ordinary, like this, some are newsworthy, like eulora
1161385;1434049053;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: for your qntsideration http://dpaste.com/1W2XWE9.txt
1161386;1434049054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GACt0x )
1161387;1434049076;TheNewDeal;ahhh
1161388;1434049084;mircea_popescu;he has a point there.
1161389;1434049365;scoopbot_revived;17-year-old Virginian Pleads Guilty to Tweeting About Bitcoin and ISIS http://qntra.net/2015/06/17-year-old-virginian-pleads-guilty-to-tweeting-about-bitcoin-and-isis/
1161390;1434049412;pete_dushenski;^another poor kid signed the papers
1161391;1434049434;mircea_popescu;"using the only and only cryptocurrency" ?
1161392;1434049461;pete_dushenski;hm. "one and only"
1161393;1434049466;pete_dushenski;please to fix BingoBoingo
1161394;1434049495;pete_dushenski;only^2 !!
1161395;1434049510;pete_dushenski;1 is the onliest number
1161396;1434049521;BingoBoingo;fxd
1161397;1434049536;pete_dushenski;cheers
1161398;1434049541;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/5iYsa
1161399;1434049543;assbot;Reminder that Ellen Pao, reddit's CEO, demanded $2.7M to not appeal lost gender discrimination lawsuit, exactly the same amount her husband owes in legal fees for his Ponzi scheme case : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8gi3R )
1161400;1434049603;mircea_popescu;ahahaha good one.
1161401;1434049607;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo qntra ?
1161402;1434049634;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: You want a first qntra scoop? There's reddit drama!
1161403;1434049659;mircea_popescu;a large piece about what a piece of human refuse pao is, and what a huge turd everything ycombinator touches turns out, and specifically about what a failed human being altgman is and what a morally repugnant schmoe graham is for allowing the charade to continue
1161404;1434049662;mircea_popescu;would kinda hit the spot.
1161405;1434049699;mircea_popescu;people kinda need to hear about all this filth.
1161406;1434049726;mircea_popescu;lest they end up believing "professional" is something other than "toilet clogged with nail polish on"
1161407;1434050008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00036801 = 2.0241 BTC [+]
1161408;1434050113;kakobrekla;jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St98rOLZlEs
1161409;1434050114;assbot;The Wire - English Motherfucker - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GADOVm )
1161410;1434050130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00036637 = 6.2283 BTC [-] {3} 
1161411;1434050194;jurov;?
1161412;1434050225;kakobrekla;nvm
1161413;1434050419;TheNewDeal;Think I'm going to have a heater here. Might take a month or so
1161414;1434050701;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Nah, gotta work on that speed
1161415;1434051308;TheNewDeal;qualitay is the game
1161416;1434051332;TheNewDeal;Learned that as a Green Belt(tm) ;)
1161417;1434051533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00037417 = 9.8781 BTC [+]
1161418;1434051827;BingoBoingo;TheNewDeal: Sure
1161419;1434051857;TheNewDeal;Not indicating yours are low quality, just want to find my own niche
1161420;1434052322;BingoBoingo;Well there's seriously the reddit thing if you want low hanging fruit.
1161421;1434052829;mircea_popescu;pretty ripe, height irrespective.
1161422;1434052943;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1161423;1434052955;ascii_field;mats, anybody remotely else: does anybody on the planet sell a logic analyzer that isn't an utter piece of shit?
1161424;1434052968;ascii_field;for any price ?
1161425;1434053002;mircea_popescu;define ?
1161426;1434053029;ascii_field;1) 500MHz+ 2) no winblows, on the analyzer OR pc end 3) pisses out capture to pc at channel rate
1161427;1434053246;jurov;usb tv tuner not suitable?
1161428;1434053255;jurov;http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
1161429;1434053256;assbot;      rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR     ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOoyGm )
1161430;1434053270;thestringpuller;how is Voorhees operating a business in new york when he defected and moved to panama to avoid US taxes?
1161431;1434053287;jurov;thestringpuller: very ethically
1161432;1434053293;ascii_field;thus far i can't even find a supplier who will guarantee two out of these three
1161433;1434053293;ascii_field;(#2 is not negotiable, the thing feeds into an automated system)
1161434;1434053294;*;ascii_field pronounces curse on the lying pieces of shit who built the chinese instrument he is presently attempting to use
1161435;1434053294;ascii_field;everything they make is an electronic equivalent of 'gutter oil.' EVERYTHING.
1161436;1434053304;ascii_field;jurov: not logic analyzer!!!
1161437;1434053349;mircea_popescu;ascii_field something like Saleae Pro 8 Logic ?
1161438;1434053350;jurov;anything that takes samples at requested rates can be repurposed to logical analyzer. or, educate me.
1161439;1434053356;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it's a turd
1161440;1434053382;mircea_popescu;nevertheless it is 5msamples and iirc os ?
1161441;1434053393;ascii_field;jurov: needs not only an input buffer that lets you define the 'high' and 'low' voltage, but a gigantic sram buffer for the bits
1161442;1434053404;ascii_field;and a very fast connection (pci, or usb3 at the minimal) to pc
1161443;1434053419;ascii_field;otherwise you only get fraction of a second 'blast'
1161444;1434053445;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: we considered salae thing. vastly underpowered, and (last checked) requires use of their app
1161445;1434053473;mircea_popescu;i don't really recall how that was left. hazy memory at best.
1161446;1434053480;jurov;that yes... if you insist on capturing long sequences at >500MHz at such constraints... God help you.
1161447;1434053501;ascii_field;jurov: i'd be satisfied if the boxes which claimed 100, actually did anything near.
1161448;1434053534;jurov;what if you buy 100 of these dongles and instruct them to fire sequentially?
1161449;1434053550;ascii_field;jurov: that is PRECISELY why the chinese unit sucks
1161450;1434053552;ascii_field;that's what it does.
1161451;1434053559;ascii_field;trick is that the phases -never- line up.
1161452;1434053563;mircea_popescu;ahh
1161453;1434053565;jurov;lolk
1161454;1434053570;ascii_field;1024 chickens
1161455;1434053574;ascii_field;cannot equal the ox.
1161456;1434053596;mircea_popescu;the phases will never line up for stuff to do with planck's constant
1161457;1434053612;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: more elementarily, for stuff to do with chineseness
1161458;1434053623;ascii_field;we are working well below ultimate physical limits here
1161459;1434053682;mats;ascii_field: for generic high speed stuff, get a Rigol oscope and write your own tools?
1161460;1434053692;mircea_popescu;i am pretty sure you won't find a unit with 8 gb ddram which reads at 500mhz and stores 16 seconds for you.
1161461;1434053696;ascii_field;mats: that's what i have!!!!
1161462;1434053699;ascii_field;it's a fucking turx
1161463;1434053700;ascii_field;turd
1161464;1434053714;mats;bummer
1161465;1434053763;ascii_field;500mhz/1chan/16sec ~= 1000 MByte.
1161466;1434053769;mircea_popescu;ascii_field how about connecting it straight to the cpu ?
1161467;1434053788;ascii_field;input would have to be processed in 1 cycle
1161468;1434053800;ascii_field;then you have idiocies like interrupts, dram wait states...
1161469;1434053813;mircea_popescu;hm
1161470;1434053826;trinque;something keeps knocking that guy offline
1161471;1434053828;mircea_popescu;but you don't really care WHICH seconds you capture, as long as you capture some ?
1161472;1434053833;ascii_field;no
1161473;1434053835;mircea_popescu;just write a driver for it as if it were i dunno, an ethernet
1161474;1434053840;ascii_field;gotta capture a particular span of time
1161475;1434053851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0003647 = 14.0774 BTC [-] {2} 
1161476;1434053855;ascii_field;again, there can be no variation in the latency of the capture
1161477;1434053864;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FD6NBK.txt
1161478;1434053865;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65rmY )
1161479;1434053865;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1161480;1434053865;mircea_popescu;what are you trying to do ?
1161481;1434053868;ascii_field;the reason i even tell this story is that i sorta realized that logic analyzers don't actually exist
1161482;1434053881;ascii_field;and that the instruments sold under this label are apparently a cheap fraud
1161483;1434053886;mircea_popescu;seem some pretty heavy constraints
1161484;1434053898;mats;here we go again
1161485;1434053909;jurov;trinque this is wiki material
1161486;1434053948;trinque;I dun haz an account
1161487;1434053990;trinque;jurov: that's for mod6 who is writing up something more fleshed out
1161488;1434054020;jurov;still nice to have, ask kakobrekla for acct
1161489;1434054030;ascii_field;looked at how logic analyzer is typically built, and was immediately struck by the idiocy of it using synchronous logic
1161490;1434054037;ascii_field;i.e. sampling at fixed frequency
1161491;1434054051;danielpbarron;http://gfy.com/20496100-post1.html >> I am selling my account on Agora as well as all my inventory. I simply don't have the time to be packing up orders and running out to the post office a couple times a week. I will also reveal my sources for all these items. I have almost 1000 transactions on there and have a feedback rating of 4.68 out of 5.
1161492;1434054052;assbot;GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - For Sale Make Big Money on the Darkweb. I Am Selling My Elite Vendor Account + Inventory! ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOq3V7 )
1161493;1434054076;ascii_field;i fail to see any reason why it isn't instead a series of registers clocked asynchronously by the inputs, causing a single time-stamp reg to be shifted out the arse end upon any transition
1161494;1434054084;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so you wanna buy it ?
1161495;1434054101;danielpbarron;buy what? this dude's agora account? no
1161496;1434054135;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hm.
1161497;1434054137;ascii_field;yes, engineers say 'we hate clock domain transitions.' well, motherfuckers can dig for uranium in butugychag until they learn to ~like~
1161498;1434054156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28903 @ 0.0003723 = 10.7606 BTC [+] {2} 
1161499;1434054201;mircea_popescu;have a pic of a suspender bra instead. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma98asTIHd1r6ppbno1_1280.jpg
1161500;1434054203;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65RtB )
1161501;1434054212;ascii_field;l0l
1161502;1434054545;mats;http://www.msreverseengineering.com/blog/2015/6/9/x86-trivia-for-nerds
1161503;1434054546;assbot;Trivia Questions for X86 Nerds — Möbius Strip Reverse Engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1B66iEn )
1161504;1434054753;*;ascii_field was expecting a '#26: if you can answer all of these, your life is a waste. eat your Luger.'
1161505;1434054792;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1161506;1434054879;nubbins`;danielpbarron re: account sale lel
1161507;1434055110;mats;heh
1161508;1434056047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59650 @ 0.00037013 = 22.0783 BTC [-] {3} 
1161509;1434056108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00035513 = 15.4837 BTC [-]
1161510;1434057450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00035945 = 15.1688 BTC [+] {2} 
1161511;1434058121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.25362132 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 5 satoshi per share
1161512;1434058159;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/226HVEM.txt
1161513;1434058161;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1I7u53x )
1161514;1434058162;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1161515;1434058289;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/109VEQM.txt
1161516;1434058289;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e6IoOI )
1161517;1434058289;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1161518;1434058304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 77.96824298 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 15 satoshi per share
1161519;1434058977;shinohai;15 sats per share o my https://i.imgur.com/ZNMF05U.jpg
1161520;1434058978;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e6JvxG )
1161521;1434059263;trinque;that time I clicked a shinohai link in public
1161522;1434059275;trinque;no regrets
1161523;1434059285;shinohai;#yolo
1161524;1434059324;shinohai;If I could figure out how to marry my love of porn to btc I might make something
1161525;1434059977;mircea_popescu;nice girl.
1161526;1434061499;jurov;shinohai perhaps you can make 3d models for eulora?
1161527;1434062101;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone has noticed yet the girls have no underwear and if you fiddle the camera there's an anus shot ?
1161528;1434062154;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1161529;1434062162;ascii_field;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/01/blockchain_app_shows_how_not_to_code << did we do this lul ?
1161530;1434062163;assbot;Android Bitcoin wallet Blockchain was briefly borked • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8QEvR )
1161531;1434062176;ascii_field;^ not to be confused with the -last- time this happened
1161532;1434062276;mircea_popescu;sort-of
1161533;1434062283;trinque;what the fuck, blockchain was/is using somebody else's API for "random" data?
1161534;1434062294;mircea_popescu;heh
1161535;1434062309;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works trinque m'boy.
1161536;1434062328;ascii_field;again, not to be confused with the time they used defective rng on android proper
1161537;1434062360;mircea_popescu;gottra love all these "A second programming error"
1161538;1434062367;danielpbarron;jurov> http://www.explo.yt/eulora_rec_9.png this camera angle was mircea's idea, eh?
1161539;1434062369;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8RfOb )
1161540;1434062369;trinque;criminals everywhere, man
1161541;1434062413;mircea_popescu;yet blockchain.org is different from daybitrade.com because... oh right, because meni rosenfeld doesn't own the wsj. that's all.
1161542;1434062432;kakobrekla;it was bitdaytrade :)
1161543;1434062432;mircea_popescu;ahaha win
1161544;1434062440;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla a right.
1161545;1434062451;kakobrekla;the famous AA.
1161546;1434062505;mircea_popescu;jurov next you run into me in game remind me to give you a coin for teh pervshot lol
1161547;1434062534;trinque;dude this is rank bullshit
1161548;1434062549;trinque;there's no way they were feeding the http status code into their thing as the random dada
1161549;1434062551;trinque;*data
1161550;1434062573;kakobrekla;intval($result) gets you that prolly
1161551;1434062586;trinque;good god
1161552;1434062588;trinque;it probably does
1161553;1434062624;trinque;who knows, criminal either way
1161554;1434062914;trinque;I find it hard to believe that these guys were doing http by opening a socket if they're lazy and stupid enough to use random.org
1161555;1434062961;trinque;can't think of a http lib that doesn't give you the http request already parsed and parceled
1161556;1434062967;trinque;*response
1161557;1434063129;jurov;wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try
1161558;1434063191;BingoBoingo;especially if phone camera picture is taken in memory palace
1161559;1434063210;jurov;!b 2
1161560;1434063211;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/29700DS.txt )
1161561;1434063220;trinque;jurov: pic ends up automatically uploaded to g+/fb/whatever
1161562;1434063232;trinque;derpy user cries that the world is hard and where's his mother
1161563;1434063244;jurov;no, barcode readers can use camera without pic being uploaded wherever
1161564;1434063252;trinque;ah you're right
1161565;1434063303;BingoBoingo;Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable.
1161566;1434063336;BingoBoingo;It should really be a stretch to say memory palace's configuration has geometry.
1161567;1434063411;BingoBoingo;In twatter news Costolo is out, Dorsey is back in
1161568;1434063527;BingoBoingo;Can't make it easy to have the entire memory palace plucked out of the brian in one go
1161569;1434063905;jurov;wait and how it depends on gemetry?
1161570;1434063909;jurov;*geometry
1161571;1434063980;BingoBoingo;jurov: Simple geometries are easy to read, this is why the weak and vulnerable make headgear out of tinfoil. To truly build a quality memory palace which resists attack one must channel their inner dank and vexual
1161572;1434063996;mircea_popescu;who's costolo ?
1161573;1434064005;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The current twatter CEO
1161574;1434064010;mircea_popescu;aok
1161575;1434064022;BingoBoingo;Dorsey was one of the founders who also did the Derpy Square thing
1161576;1434064027;jurov;you mean by reading brainwaves?
1161577;1434064045;BingoBoingo;jurov: Or however it is to be done.
1161578;1434064059;trinque;>channel their inner dank and vexual
1161579;1434064060;mircea_popescu;ya
1161580;1434064062;trinque;lol
1161581;1434064098;kakobrekla;even i dont get that and i have been here the longest
1161582;1434064107;BingoBoingo;Before accessible crypto people kept their secrets by hiding them.
1161583;1434064161;BingoBoingo;Of course this could just be yesterday's vodka I was too sleep to drink them talking
1161584;1434064256;BingoBoingo;Also this exists http://bookofbrodin.wikia.com/wiki/Book_of_Brodin_Wiki
1161585;1434064257;assbot;Book of Brodin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXVTb )
1161586;1434064307;*;mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch
1161587;1434064316;mircea_popescu;because totally, nobody else read the same pulp he did.
1161588;1434064364;BingoBoingo;The last thing a memory palace should resemble is literature of language
1161589;1434064383;trinque;wtf is a memory palace
1161590;1434064405;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci << ah
1161591;1434064406;assbot;Method of loci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMTZhc )
1161592;1434064505;shinohai;[nsfw] http://40.media.tumblr.com/e519c4ed50ffa69050141ba100ee25cf/tumblr_njyh5jfQYw1ssvqz2o2_540.jpg
1161593;1434064505;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMUbgt )
1161594;1434064536;trinque;http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/11/military-leaders-debate-US-escalation-in-Iraq.html << empire's headed back to die there, I guess
1161595;1434064537;assbot;Military leaders debate US escalation in Iraq | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwYvjO )
1161596;1434064558;BingoBoingo;trinque: Because the first and second times were not enough
1161597;1434064578;trinque;BingoBoingo: we'll unite the middle east (against us) yet
1161598;1434064644;BingoBoingo;I dunno, if hitler couldn't unite all of Isaac's brothers I doubt Obola can unite all of Esau's
1161599;1434065051;scoopbot_revived;Butterfield 8 http://trilema.com/2015/butterfield-8/
1161600;1434068072;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161586 >>>>>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159373
1161601;1434068072;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 23:11:47; *: mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch
1161602;1434068072;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 17:01:22; ascii_field: tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender
1161603;1434068261;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161557 << if you're doing safety-critical crypto on a pNohe, you've already lost
1161604;1434068261;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 22:52:09; jurov: wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try
1161605;1434068434;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161565 << this is probably when i confess that i remember things without doing any of that
1161606;1434068434;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 22:55:03; BingoBoingo: Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable.
1161607;1434068438;asciilifeform;so it's possible!
1161608;1434068459;asciilifeform;but good method for stretching your limits, wherever they happen to be
1161609;1434068472;asciilifeform;(read about famous 'mnemonists.' they all used some variation on this algo.)
1161610;1434068511;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But what about for things you would rather not be able to remember under duress?
1161611;1434068519;asciilifeform;but, as ought to be clear, if your 'memory palace' is not a palace but a kolhoz full of 1,001 schmucks, don't brainwallet...
1161612;1434068524;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cyanide
1161613;1434068551;BingoBoingo;Nah, cyanide means that if you make it through you can't see them burn
1161614;1434068552;asciilifeform;(or the precious last bullet (tm) )
1161615;1434068632;asciilifeform;'the precious last bullet, it's not my invention; the ancestors teach us, with centuries of war...' (from ru song re: afghan. translation mine.)
1161616;1434069039;BingoBoingo;I mean, what's the point of smoking cigarettes if not to transform into an unstopable ragemonster when derprived of nicotine and the beautiful monoamine oxidase inhibitors in tobacco?
1161617;1434071257;mike_c;this eulorum wiki is slow as shit.  who the hell is running this thing.
1161618;1434072056;mike_c;Eulora travelers, here's a map:  http://www.eulorum.org/Map
1161619;1434072058;assbot;Map - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxeQ84 )
1161620;1434072071;mike_c;Dozens upon dozens of cartographers died to make it..
1161621;1434072094;mircea_popescu;mike_c ahaha
1161622;1434072096;mircea_popescu;wait.
1161623;1434072101;mircea_popescu;didn't YOU host it ?
1161624;1434072105;mike_c;yes
1161625;1434072112;mircea_popescu;lmao
1161626;1434072113;mircea_popescu;got me.
1161627;1434072133;ben_vulpes;so help me out here
1161628;1434072147;ben_vulpes;http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5067940938.html vs http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5050595367.html
1161629;1434072148;assbot;Classic 1982 Corvette ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hxf13c )
1161630;1434072149;assbot;1989 Corvette ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hxf2UN )
1161631;1434072174;ben_vulpes;clean title, correct vintage, but automatic VS rebuilt title, not really the perfect vintage, and manual
1161632;1434072224;mircea_popescu;you buying a car ?
1161633;1434072237;ben_vulpes;more like a fashion accessory
1161634;1434072257;ben_vulpes;but maybe
1161635;1434072361;mircea_popescu;"President Barack Obama’s plan to send an additional 450 to 500 soldiers"
1161636;1434072363;mircea_popescu;bwahahahaa
1161637;1434072372;mircea_popescu;what is this, a bar mitzvah ?
1161638;1434072449;ben_vulpes;no they're /thooper/ tholdierth
1161639;1434072456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.197718 = 2.9658 BTC [-]
1161640;1434072491;mircea_popescu;from the country of africa ?
1161641;1434072528;mircea_popescu;funny how the libertards were all over nucular but don't seem to hardly notice at all their special needs law professor has no fucking idea which side the sun comes out.
1161642;1434072630;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Clean title and vintage
1161643;1434072652;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: suggesting i hold out, then?
1161644;1434072657;ben_vulpes;ah nm
1161645;1434072658;BingoBoingo;Just have to swap in a tranny of correct vintage
1161646;1434072660;ben_vulpes;but what about the tranny?
1161647;1434072701;BingoBoingo;But... That might cost more than the car's $6000 unless you wait for one to miracle onto criagslist
1161648;1434072748;mircea_popescu;actually automatic's probably in much better condition
1161649;1434072755;mircea_popescu;seeing how no hothead wouldever buy it
1161650;1434072757;BingoBoingo;^
1161651;1434072805;ben_vulpes;such wisdom
1161652;1434072808;BingoBoingo;Also sporty car with a sporty automatic tranny isn't bad.
1161653;1434072831;BingoBoingo;Especially if you ever encounter the dreaded gauntlet of red lights in it
1161654;1434072855;ben_vulpes;i have all the light sequences in this town timed by memory
1161655;1434072856;BingoBoingo;Also less wear items in the auto tranny
1161656;1434072876;BingoBoingo;All it takes is one intern to fuck up you lights and they will never go back
1161657;1434072913;BingoBoingo;<assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.0052001 = 0.0416 BTC [-] << Incredilol
1161658;1434073136;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is into vintage cars ?!
1161659;1434073203;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the linked ones seem too cheap to be true
1161660;1434073211;asciilifeform;betcha the inside is rusted solid
1161661;1434073225;ben_vulpes;pessimist
1161662;1434073240;asciilifeform;'don't buy a car which costs less than your computer' (tm)
1161663;1434073244;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: the linked ones seem too cheap to be true << Not really probably just accumulated defered maintenance to take it up to market value is much
1161664;1434073262;ben_vulpes;it's not really a rare model, guise
1161665;1434073266;BingoBoingo;The 60's one prolly still has nylon belted tyres
1161666;1434073280;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was "Don't buy a computer that costs less than your woman"
1161667;1434073281;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe'
1161668;1434073294;asciilifeform;only ever seen one.
1161669;1434073313;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How much do you want to drive one. There's a few around this region.
1161670;1434073323;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not enough
1161671;1434073334;*;BingoBoingo holds as rare dreamcar pontiac fiero
1161672;1434073367;asciilifeform;odd, 'google images' does not find the bizarre digital led (1980s!) dashboard the specimen he was shown as a boy had
1161673;1434073398;asciilifeform;http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/156563/original/p1010008.jpg << ahahaha there it is.
1161674;1434073400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOY6fJ )
1161675;1434073418;asciilifeform;it's like driving a 'pc xt' !
1161676;1434073420;asciilifeform;with cga.
1161677;1434073422;BingoBoingo;lol
1161678;1434073446;asciilifeform;http://i56.tinypic.com/mj04uc.jpg
1161679;1434073447;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOYcEf )
1161680;1434073450;asciilifeform;(similar)
1161681;1434073484;BingoBoingo;Every uncool yet drivable used car tends to find its way to the Middle West for Hospice care
1161682;1434073591;*;BingoBoingo remembers his first car, The Grand Am of Justice which in his last year of ownership he discovered was Hurricane Katrina salvage
1161683;1434073625;trinque;heh I almost got a ford probe as my first car
1161684;1434073629;asciilifeform;aaaand...
1161685;1434073631;asciilifeform;in other news,
1161686;1434073633;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F523CFD93D4A4AE7AA6C0810A210AC7C430DA2C10D53713F23DC09B4B9124A1
1161687;1434073636;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxipuU )
1161688;1434073641;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Probe#Remaining_registered_1993.E2.80.931997_Probes_on_the_road_as_of_July_2011
1161689;1434073642;assbot;Ford Probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxipLr )
1161690;1434073649;trinque;https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1435/5149860522_aa3e8b03f2_o.jpg << got that guy instead
1161691;1434073653;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hxisaj )
1161692;1434073658;*;asciilifeform gotta do something about schmucks hitting 'retest key' and 'unphuctoring' (temporarily)
1161693;1434073677;trinque;asciilifeform: is that a second pirate party key?
1161694;1434073686;asciilifeform;appears to be
1161695;1434073691;trinque;fascinating.
1161696;1434073694;*;BingoBoingo though the Matt guy was showing up quite a bit
1161697;1434073695;asciilifeform;there is a great many of them in 'magic 98' list
1161698;1434073733;asciilifeform;100% of which will eventually appear in http://nosuchlabs.com/phuctored
1161699;1434073735;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxiBdD )
1161700;1434073740;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Probe#Remaining_registered_1993.E2.80.931997_Probes_on_the_road_as_of_July_2011 << Oh, there's prolly more Probes left than Pogos
1161701;1434073740;assbot;Ford Probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxiBuf )
1161702;1434073786;*;asciilifeform wouldn't actually want to putter around in this museum piece daily
1161703;1434073805;*;asciilifeform is not currently equipped for serious engine work
1161704;1434073870;BingoBoingo;Museum pieces make the best daily drivers, and Probe was engineered by 80's Japs so prolly durable
1161705;1434073939;*;BingoBoingo says as the guy who stops his Saturn at gas stations to make sure the plastic is still attached
1161706;1434074170;trinque;I've taken to calling my check-engine light the "Is it a Volkswagen?" light
1161707;1434074592;BingoBoingo;trinque: I actually have very few problems with that
1161708;1434074765;BingoBoingo;I actually have far more problems with the exterior of the car not wanting to stay together than anything mechanically wrong
1161709;1434074870;trinque;car's just complaining; it runs fine
1161710;1434074885;trinque;has something to do with emissions I think
1161711;1434074894;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1161712;1434074917;BingoBoingo;Thank the one who cuckolds clitler for that
1161713;1434076065;trinque;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c114:1:./temp/~c114oLaeR2:e873358: << heh DoD heard me rambling about the weapons being "turned inward"
1161714;1434076067;assbot;Bill Text - 114th Congress  - THOMAS (Library of Congress) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJ7XBI )
1161715;1434076076;trinque;IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Defense shall complete an evaluation of the cyber vulnerabilities of each major weapon system of the Department of Defense by not later than December 31, 2019.
1161716;1434076130;trinque;and ftr I'm still not convinced they're all safe
1161717;1434076148;asciilifeform;what's 'safe' ?
1161718;1434076150;trinque;I'm sure the Iranians thought their centrifuges were totally disconnected from the internet and therefore safe too
1161719;1434076169;trinque;asciilifeform: "can the nukes be haxed" thread
1161720;1434076303;asciilifeform;trinque: recall maj. harold l. hering ?
1161721;1434076336;asciilifeform;http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here.
1161722;1434076338;assbot;Nuclear weapons: How Cold War major Harold Hering asked a forbidden question that cost him his career. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJ8iEw )
1161723;1434076346;trinque;no, reading
1161724;1434076367;trinque;thought it might've been some of the more recently let-go members of the nuke command
1161725;1434076371;trinque;*one
1161726;1434076377;asciilifeform;nah
1161727;1434076378;asciilifeform;long ago.
1161728;1434076405;asciilifeform;was sacked from u.s. air force for asking 'how can i know whether order to launch is coming from a sane man'
1161729;1434076424;trinque;"had become a long-haul trucker" << brutal
1161730;1434076616;trinque;does not surprise me that people were worried about orders from nixon, lol!
1161731;1434076880;danielpbarron;!up julmac
1161732;1434076908;trinque;asciilifeform: right so this whole "launch codes" thing is communication to the... lol... "missileer"
1161733;1434076937;trinque;was talking with ben_vulpes yesterday about how this is likely a matter of vulnerability to attacks against the communications of mil, not necessarily the hardware
1161734;1434078150;asciilifeform;trinque: see also, possibly relevant, my old article re: prehistoric crypto in usg: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323
1161735;1434078152;assbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEFVkM )
1161736;1434082226;copumpkin;in popescuity!
1161737;1434082228;copumpkin;oh, he's gone
1161738;1434082259;copumpkin;!down
1161739;1434082262;copumpkin;!down copumpkin
1161740;1434085611;asciilifeform;aaand...
1161741;1434085612;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B2E239A3BB66E00BCDCF41F0C281798CCAED77F43781FCBAD0B7D521A95708D3
1161742;1434085650;asciilifeform;^ non-'magic' !
1161743;1434090453;ben_vulpes;http://askubuntu.com/questions/540911/how-to-adjust-screen-brightness-in-ubuntu-14-04 << oh ffs
1161744;1434090454;assbot;how to adjust screen brightness in ubuntu 14.04? - Ask Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxPlna )
1161745;1434090843;trinque;ben_vulpes: no joke, I echo into sys to change my brightness
1161746;1434092369;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jno8llAxzYE
1161747;1434092370;assbot;Gorillaz- sweepstakes (feat. Mos Def and Hypnotic Brass essemble) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJxevw )
1161748;1434092508;punkman;asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic' ! << oh did we run out of cosmic rays?
1161749;1434093990;cazalla;hanbot, published, ty
1161750;1434094070;scoopbot_revived;FBI Counterterrorism AD Michael Steinbach: "Prevent encryption above all else" http://qntra.net/2015/06/fbi-counterterrorism-ad-michael-steinbach-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
1161751;1434110849;shinohai;ASSet of the day? https://i.imgur.com/4fGaYju.jpg [nsfw, obviously]
1161752;1434110849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRNwlz )
1161753;1434110907;shinohai;and https://i.imgur.com/T740wtL.jpg   (sfw)
1161754;1434110908;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRNIkW )
1161755;1434114672;cazalla;shinohai, he's 100 today and that heart shit is bullshit according to snopes
1161756;1434114693;shinohai;I know, it is still funny.
1161757;1434114719;shinohai;He's just naturally not going to release his grasp upon the empire
1161758;1434117908;punkman;http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20150605STO63242/html/TTIP-what-exactly-is-the-ISDS-mechanism-for-resolving-investor-disputes
1161759;1434117909;assbot;TTIP: what exactly is the ISDS mechanism for resolving investor disputes? ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC0694 )
1161760;1434117935;mircea_popescu;an exercise in spurious stupidity ?
1161761;1434117965;punkman;oh wrong link, meant to post this http://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2015/06/10/european-parliament-ttip-vote-cancelled-because-of-huge-public-pressure-say-green-meps/
1161762;1434117966;assbot;   European Parliament TTIP vote cancelled ‘because of huge public pressure’  : EU Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC09Sl )
1161763;1434118026;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161721 <--   more like it saved his career, imho
1161764;1434118026;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 02:32:16; asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here.
1161765;1434118101;funkenstein_;and from that article a major explosion of oxymoron detector:  "Israeli military ethicist"
1161766;1434118129;mircea_popescu;what, by being israeli one's automatically unethical ? or above ethics ?
1161767;1434118181;funkenstein_;israeli military
1161768;1434118221;funkenstein_;heck military ethicist is bad enough
1161769;1434118288;mircea_popescu;i don't see it.
1161770;1434118318;*;funkenstein_ seeks for sexual analogy
1161771;1434118423;mircea_popescu;you're not going to start with "life's the greatest good in and of itself" and "we're all equal so consequently no-one's life is worth less than the shine on your shoes" are you ?
1161772;1434118423;funkenstein_;How about most experiences prostitutes monogamy discussion group
1161773;1434118450;mircea_popescu;how about what ?
1161774;1434118488;funkenstein_;How about top quadraplegic jugglers?
1161775;1434118509;mircea_popescu;you know, neither of these map on the original at all, and amusingly enough neither of these carries what you want it to, either.
1161776;1434118536;mircea_popescu;how about "most unwinged featherless flat nailed bipedals flight club"
1161777;1434118542;funkenstein_;How about, bitcoin-assets windows ssl expert?
1161778;1434118553;mircea_popescu;if people were meant to fly they'd have had wings and if quadriplegics were meant to juggle they'd have had arms.
1161779;1434118562;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure we have one
1161780;1434118622;mircea_popescu;what exactly is your ethical objection to killing people, anyway ?
1161781;1434118623;funkenstein_;none do as good as the original, lol still cracks me up
1161782;1434118649;funkenstein_;none
1161783;1434118654;funkenstein_;depends on the context
1161784;1434118661;mircea_popescu;so then....
1161785;1434118673;mircea_popescu;guy's job would be to context.
1161786;1434118686;funkenstein_;but the organization in question is regarded as expert in driving ethics out of young recruits minds
1161787;1434118693;mircea_popescu;whose ethics ?
1161788;1434118696;funkenstein_;any
1161789;1434118699;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "ethics".
1161790;1434118700;funkenstein_;follow orders, don't think
1161791;1434118702;mircea_popescu;regarded by whom ?
1161792;1434118727;mircea_popescu;and moreover, since when is the young recruit a standard of measure ?
1161793;1434118737;funkenstein_;actualy i agree with you on that no such thing as ethics.. but that's a longer discussion
1161794;1434118749;funkenstein_;regarded by themselves, for example
1161795;1434118754;mircea_popescu;next you're going to judge the fief by the state of the peasantry.
1161796;1434118757;mircea_popescu;wtf is this, socialism ?
1161797;1434118811;mircea_popescu;if the young recruits weren't imbeciles, one probably wouldn't have to drive the broken fragments of a dysfunctionally-superficial pseudo-ethics out of their dumb skulls.
1161798;1434118825;funkenstein_;it made me lol because, hey, pick a side
1161799;1434118827;mircea_popescu;but as it is, it impedes function.
1161800;1434118845;mircea_popescu;and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
1161801;1434118861;mircea_popescu;the point of every beta male since we were not yet descended.
1161802;1434118894;funkenstein_;if you want merciless military, then go for it.  but don't say "oh and here's our feelings discussion group"
1161803;1434118912;mircea_popescu;that may well be what you're reading into it, rather than what they're saying.
1161804;1434118933;mircea_popescu;lemme point out that the "feelings" idiots have no monopoly on ethics.
1161805;1434118939;mircea_popescu;in fact, they have absolutely no connection to ethics.
1161806;1434118951;mircea_popescu;if physics is mentioned do you automatically think of aluminum siding salesmen ?
1161807;1434119005;funkenstein_;so Ethiks..  from the greek?
1161808;1434119030;mircea_popescu;i imagine in this case from the hebrew.
1161809;1434119097;mats;http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150611/srep10768/full/srep10768.html via /.
1161810;1434119100;assbot;Microrobotic tentacles with spiral bending capability based on shape-engineered elastomeric microtubes :  Scientific Reports :  Nature Publishing Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvI32z )
1161811;1434119105;mircea_popescu;moreover, killing and mercilessness aren't in the automatic relationship here proposed. there is such a thing as mercy killing.
1161812;1434119117;asciilifeform;there is also merciless sparing
1161813;1434119132;mircea_popescu;so there is.
1161814;1434119134;mircea_popescu;"VelocityViewServlet : Error processing a template for path '/vrender'
1161815;1434119134;mircea_popescu;Invocation of method 'getSubjectsByDOI' in class npg.ncode.velocity.toolbox.OntologyTool threw exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded at /view/macros/global.macros.vm[line 1082, column 68]
1161816;1434119134;mircea_popescu;java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded"
1161817;1434119144;mircea_popescu;aww, java lang outta memory ? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS B4
1161818;1434119154;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n1c! what was mircea_popescu running ?
1161819;1434119162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly enough, mats link
1161820;1434119169;mircea_popescu;b-a slashdotted nature.com
1161821;1434119170;mats;oh nature
1161822;1434119192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform VELOCITYVIEW mind you!!1
1161823;1434119199;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161800 << how does that work ?
1161824;1434119199;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 14:20:45; mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality
1161825;1434119223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly what the slavegirl says : i am nothing, use me for something so in that i may become someone.
1161826;1434119250;asciilifeform;this sorta describes the condition one tries to beat soldiers into
1161827;1434119264;mircea_popescu;mno. this describes the condition of the vast majority of males.
1161828;1434119269;mircea_popescu;the beating is so they stop lying about it.
1161829;1434119278;mircea_popescu;chiefly, to themselves.
1161830;1434119306;mircea_popescu;that's what beating does, confronts the beta with the incontrovertible "if what i pretend were true and what i know to be true were not, how come i am then beaten ???"
1161831;1434119313;mircea_popescu;"i should be doing the beating"
1161832;1434119384;mircea_popescu;before it comes to actual beatings, plenty of excuses to be had from all quarters
1161833;1434119403;mircea_popescu;usually in the form "my real self hasn't emerged yet, but once it does... it took karate!11 it'll show you!11"
1161834;1434119437;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-sid-hacker.pdf << l0l of the day! >> http://dpaste.com/1A5KQF4.txt
1161835;1434119438;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvIIBi )
1161836;1434119439;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvIGcA )
1161837;1434119473;mircea_popescu;POSSIBLE CLASSIFICATION IS TOP SECRET FROM: the SIDtoday Editor
1161838;1434119473;funkenstein_;just because one has been  beaten does not mean one is "someone"
1161839;1434119474;mircea_popescu;orly ?!
1161840;1434119512;mircea_popescu;"You'll see people in shorts, tee-shirts, flip-flops, black clothes."
1161841;1434119516;mircea_popescu;ok these are retards.
1161842;1434119525;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ how did you read that in wha i said tho ?!
1161843;1434119559;funkenstein_;i agree we all seek intelligent masters...
1161844;1434119578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you were to learn that they dress the programmers in evening coats instead, would not also say 'retards' ?
1161845;1434119583;funkenstein_;but the one doing the beating is sadly often the less intelligent one
1161846;1434119592;mircea_popescu;so what, you propose the presence of an ethics officer pleads against the jdf's intelligence ?
1161847;1434119605;funkenstein_;idf please
1161848;1434119616;funkenstein_;jdf wtf???
1161849;1434119617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes dude, whenever magic is discussed in terms of the robes and hats i will say retards.
1161850;1434119621;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ aok
1161851;1434119638;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ yes my whip is not the most intelligent part of the household. so what of it.
1161852;1434119644;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understood, the robes were mentioned because 'see how unique is our directorate, we let the kidz dress in rags if they wish'
1161853;1434119645;mircea_popescu;dja know how you train bulldogs ?
1161854;1434119653;funkenstein_;hey, I'm here for a reason :)
1161855;1434119666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform always an excuse, sure. they only did it ironically, you say ? fine, fine.
1161856;1434119689;nubbins`;so here's a lame article
1161857;1434119691;nubbins`;http://www.vice.com/read/the-tale-of-the-final-fantasy-vii-house-is-a-window-into-the-dark-side-of-cosplay-529
1161858;1434119693;assbot;When Fandom Goes Wrong: The Dark Tale of the 'Final Fantasy VII' House | VICE | United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJgqM )
1161859;1434119697;mircea_popescu;("ironically" is this internet meme where the actor pretends his actions are stupid but he knows it, he merely engages because of reasons. his job, his audience, tptb etc)
1161860;1434119709;nubbins`;tldr, some crazy lady rented a house and was a bit crazy
1161861;1434119721;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you sit them in the door and you slam the door into them. they WILL chew down the door, but also learn better.
1161862;1434119725;nubbins`;feel free to skim the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the content
1161863;1434119731;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've no idea why they did it beyond the obvious fact that the type of public employed there traditionally dresses in rags
1161864;1434119734;mircea_popescu;there's a reason those doing the beating are the dumbest of hte lot. this does not invalidate the beating.
1161865;1434119737;nubbins`;then, for the adult version of the same story, check this one out: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/paxton-s-version-police-interview-transcript-1.1271885
1161866;1434119738;assbot;Paxton's version: police interview transcript - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJmP8 )
1161867;1434119747;nubbins`;asciilifeform get a chance to peek at that message?
1161868;1434119754;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so why even link vice then ?
1161869;1434119761;mircea_popescu;this hot topic of the internet.
1161870;1434119761;asciilifeform;nubbins`: yes. we have those here. boring, sop.
1161871;1434119806;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the vice thing popped up today and reminded me of the paxton caser
1161872;1434119808;nubbins`;*case
1161873;1434119815;nubbins`;very long transcript but filled with actual crazy.
1161874;1434119816;mircea_popescu;a ok
1161875;1434119839;nubbins`;the torture victim's name and picture were originally published but have since had a publication ban, so it's now "the victim" and the pics are all blurred.
1161876;1434119841;nubbins`;really strange
1161877;1434119880;nubbins`;there's conjecture that this is all related to outstanding investigations into hell's angels
1161878;1434119901;mircea_popescu;nubbins` im not gonna read 69 pages of this thing and the article doesn't make it too clear , i could see either side. got some selected quotes ?
1161879;1434119935;mircea_popescu;of course "investigation into hell's angels" is very much a case of police fighting a feud.
1161880;1434120023;nubbins`;hard to find good examples, the crazy is spread out
1161881;1434120030;nubbins`;it's a 233 page interview
1161882;1434120031;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/ZOKvKFf.png
1161883;1434120032;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvK0wa )
1161884;1434120036;mircea_popescu;not a great sign
1161885;1434120066;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the photos in the vice article look exactly like the ones i described in old thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996769
1161886;1434120066;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
1161887;1434120100;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how would you explain the state of a roommate's palate ?
1161888;1434120111;nubbins`;mircea_popescu depends on whether i tortured him or not?
1161889;1434120116;mircea_popescu;suppose some ignorant twerps who think it's spelled palette asked you, about the cook dude
1161890;1434120126;mircea_popescu;this is an established fact now ?
1161891;1434120132;nubbins`;guy presented to ER weighing 80lbs down from 250, with his entire bottom lip missing
1161892;1434120139;mircea_popescu;ok...
1161893;1434120147;nubbins`;covered in welts and cuts, ears cauliflowered
1161894;1434120150;nubbins`;brain damage
1161895;1434120151;nubbins`;etc
1161896;1434120152;mircea_popescu;and you believe this is an impossibility re your cook roommate ?
1161897;1434120161;nubbins`;cook roomie is gone :D
1161898;1434120164;mircea_popescu;or do you believe you're in any case responsible ?
1161899;1434120168;mircea_popescu;heh. i see, good for you.
1161900;1434120214;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i dare to suggest that the vice article is a work of fiction. and that the illustrations are of the author's own dwelling.
1161901;1434120240;mircea_popescu;this is the standard interepretation whenever something appears in vice/slate/the rest of the shitsites.
1161902;1434120256;mircea_popescu;the case being otherwise is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence
1161903;1434120257;asciilifeform;this one has the stereotypical smell of just such a work.
1161904;1434120269;mircea_popescu;on par with extraterrestrials opening a bronx pond shop
1161905;1434120282;asciilifeform;the 'corners are rounded', so to speak.
1161906;1434120306;mircea_popescu;aha.
1161907;1434120327;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/VblZ5Ek.png
1161908;1434120328;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJxm )
1161909;1434120340;nubbins`;asciilifeform half the kids i went to uni with had houses messier than that
1161910;1434120355;nubbins`;"look at this ghastly photo of a couple things laid on an unmade bed"
1161911;1434120361;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/SMPaPIF.png
1161912;1434120362;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJgO )
1161913;1434120366;nubbins`;^ check last 2 photos in order
1161914;1434120401;mircea_popescu;aha the det crippen guy knows his job
1161915;1434120420;mircea_popescu;i am at this point judging by the implicit cues and my understanding/preconceived notions re a functional police force that they most likely got their man.
1161916;1434120443;mircea_popescu;now whether you'd convict on thebasis of that mostlycomes down to whether you're republican or democrat.
1161917;1434120480;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I
1161918;1434120481;assbot;Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL4A5 )
1161919;1434120492;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/dustin-paxton-s-victim-says-brain-damage-kept-him-from-fleeing-1.2437472
1161920;1434120494;assbot;Dustin Paxton's victim says brain damage kept him from fleeing - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL6YC )
1161921;1434120542;nubbins`;googling "dustin paxton" brings pics of the victim, but i can't recommend you look at them
1161922;1434120580;mircea_popescu;oh, we're squamish now /
1161923;1434120585;nubbins`;fuck it then
1161924;1434120586;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/KgUc0uG.jpg
1161925;1434120586;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvLkyV )
1161926;1434120588;nubbins`;click away :P
1161927;1434120632;mircea_popescu;http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/20/dustin-paxton-the-torturer-and-calgarys-jessica-rogers-the-liar-now-a-couple-and-dr-phil-episode << lol they look just like ordinary internet ppls.
1161928;1434120635;assbot;Dustin Paxton (the torturer) and Calgary's Jessica Rogers (the liar) now a coupl ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5eJTv )
1161929;1434120727;mircea_popescu;maybe they could take up the cause of feminism in gaming or something
1161930;1434120849;mircea_popescu;anyway, this gave me a chuckle :
1161931;1434120850;mircea_popescu;“I'm glad that he was declared a dangerous offender, but that only takes one person off the street, and there are lots of Paxtons out there, so the laws have to be changed to keep the public safe,” she said.
1161932;1434120850;mircea_popescu;“They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”
1161933;1434120875;mircea_popescu;strange case of inversion from
1161934;1434120876;mircea_popescu;William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
1161935;1434120876;mircea_popescu;Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
1161936;1434120876;mircea_popescu;William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
1161937;1434120876;mircea_popescu;Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe
1161938;1434120879;mircea_popescu;ty's sake!
1161939;1434120883;nubbins`;last one
1161940;1434120884;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/D6uTRz2.png
1161941;1434120884;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvM0o4 )
1161942;1434120892;mircea_popescu;ie... and once the public's safe from all the paxtons, who's to keep isis out of the usis ?
1161943;1434121020;nubbins`;related: http://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/2010/05/dustin-lafortune-moved-to-calgary-few.html
1161944;1434121022;assbot;Gangsters Out Blog: Hells Angel murder witness badly tortured ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvMkTR )
1161945;1434121039;mircea_popescu;is there a bdsm angle to all of this ?
1161946;1434121057;mircea_popescu;bikers, (leather's missing), weird living arrangements ?
1161947;1434121214;nubbins`;i've been reading about this case off and on for 4+ years and i still can't make any sense of it
1161948;1434121233;nubbins`;dude did beat his roomie w/ dog leashes, extension cords, etc
1161949;1434121256;nubbins`;is it still considered bdsm if only one party is into it? :D
1161950;1434121267;mircea_popescu;by whom ?
1161951;1434121348;mircea_popescu;by nature, yes. inasmuch as a party doesn't fight back, a welt's a welt and a smack's a smack you know ? whether you kloink your slave or your roomate over the head, whether they consented to it or not doesn't enter in the functions that return "isbraindamage" as aboolean.
1161952;1434121457;nubbins`;i read once that the victim was actually brought around to various locations to be beaten by different people
1161953;1434121495;mircea_popescu;i wonder why they're not chasing the bdsm angle.
1161954;1434121501;mircea_popescu;you'd expect it from the press neh ?
1161955;1434121527;mircea_popescu;is there some sort of canadian conspiraci ? are they afraid of that derpy canadian corp i bitchslapped thisspring ?
1161956;1434121553;nubbins`;ehhh i think BDSM angle doesn't add any further drama
1161957;1434121558;nubbins`;it's crazy enough as it is
1161958;1434121603;mircea_popescu;itdoesn't add any further drama ? you have the quote above.
1161959;1434121616;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161932
1161960;1434121616;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 14:54:10; mircea_popescu: “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”
1161961;1434121688;nubbins`;there was a push after this to add "torture" to the criminal code
1161962;1434121705;nubbins`;as it stands, in canada, it's only torture if it's performed by a state
1161963;1434121705;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Paul_Jamin_-_Le_Brenn_et_sa_part_de_butin_1893.jpg <<
1161964;1434121705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNQFA )
1161965;1434121712;mircea_popescu;brennus and his part of ... booty :D
1161966;1434121713;shinohai;http://indianexpress.com/article/india/in-2015s-biggest-seizure-customs-officials-at-mumbai-airport-seize-gold-worth-rs-1-99-crore-from-aircraft-toilets/ O.o
1161967;1434121716;assbot;Customs officials at Mumbai airport seize gold worth Rs 1.99 cr from aircraft toilets | The Indian Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNU84 )
1161968;1434121808;nubbins`;250kg gold since january :0
1161969;1434121822;nubbins`;what are they doing, repatriating it to the usa? :D
1161970;1434121916;mircea_popescu;lol, the indian state is desperate because minority holder in the country. indians are nuts with the stuff.
1161971;1434121925;shinohai;Someone may have literally shit gold bricks.
1161972;1434121930;mircea_popescu;but yes, they are, "storing" it where the germans did.
1161973;1434122376;scoopbot_revived;Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/
1161974;1434122522;kakobrekla;hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115.
1161975;1434122550;thestringpuller;nubbins`: you get my pm?
1161976;1434122572;mircea_popescu;i'd bet on that...
1161977;1434122686;thestringpuller;so garzik proposes a soft-fork, and the shills act more retarded than ever stating, "No. We need to hard fork the network and up the cap."
1161978;1434122791;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: lmao y'know that's a point i hadn't considered.
1161979;1434122845;pete_dushenski;or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake
1161980;1434122864;pete_dushenski;and by 'the kids' i mean the lordship
1161981;1434122935;pete_dushenski;in any event, promises to do this or that 'by the end of the century even though we won't have a country' is the 2nd lulziest shit all week
1161982;1434122940;pete_dushenski;after david thorne, naturally
1161983;1434122995;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161667 << true story, i had the mazda version of the same car
1161984;1434122995;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 01:41:21; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe'
1161985;1434123017;pete_dushenski;ford and mazda co-developed the platform and each made their own body style atop it
1161986;1434123026;pete_dushenski;many parts were shared to save costs
1161987;1434123033;pete_dushenski;the digital dashboard included
1161988;1434123057;pete_dushenski;my 1988 mazda mx-6 *had the digital dashboard*
1161989;1434123138;pete_dushenski;http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8315/dsc000800224956.jpg << as seen here
1161990;1434123140;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvRhMt )
1161991;1434123205;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161628 << '82 all day. i loved the lines of that car as a kid.
1161992;1434123205;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 01:22:27; ben_vulpes: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5067940938.html vs http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5050595367.html
1161993;1434123217;pete_dushenski;mebbe a 5-6 year old
1161994;1434123235;pete_dushenski;9-10 year-old me wanted a jeep tj for some reason
1161995;1434123269;pete_dushenski;then computers came along and i didn't give a shit about cars until 2nd year university
1161996;1434123298;pete_dushenski;after taking public transport for an hour each way to class when it was only a 10-minute drive, i started caring about cars pretty quickly
1161997;1434123474;nubbins`;thestringpuller yep, got it
1161998;1434123517;nubbins`;is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
1161999;1434123547;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: also, those vettes are a steal compared to the ones here http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/strathcona-county/corvette-collectors-edition/1071669781 << "from washington state"
1162000;1434123548;assbot;Corvette Collectors Edition | classic cars | Strathcona County | Kijiji ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6VhIC )
1162001;1434123654;pete_dushenski;that's an extreme example, but even 'non-collectors' c3 vettes are still $15-20k here
1162002;1434123812;thestringpuller;nubbins`: depends on the cost.
1162003;1434124009;funkenstein_;those are some nice wheelchairs
1162004;1434124033;jurov;http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dont-listen-to-edward-snowdens-supporters--his-leaks-have-been-a-gift-to-terrorists-10307959.html such bull
1162005;1434124034;assbot;Don't listen to Edward Snowden's supporters – his leaks have been a gift to terrorists - Comment - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6VPOE )
1162006;1434124699;pete_dushenski;"Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups developing new encryption technology."
1162007;1434124731;pete_dushenski;more like "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups to discard new encryption technology in favour of good ol' pgp. "
1162008;1434124751;pete_dushenski;sorry, "new techmologee"
1162009;1434124777;pete_dushenski;"In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
1162010;1434124781;pete_dushenski;haha excellent.
1162011;1434125259;danielpbarron;!up goregrind
1162012;1434125290;jurov;!up AmbitionzAzARida
1162013;1434125684;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: replied http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/#comment-20265
1162014;1434125686;assbot;Space travel isn’t for you. There are no virgins there either. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6Y5FU )
1162015;1434125837;pete_dushenski;aaaand i'm off to meatlandia ! laters !
1162016;1434126160;nubbins`;thestringpuller summers are busy so if this is a real project, yes, otherwise no
1162017;1434128147;mats;https://www.nccgroup.trust/uk/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blogs/2015/june/blind-return-oriented-programming
1162018;1434128148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e91h3y )
1162019;1434129911;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/MOCMJ3t.jpg
1162020;1434129911;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e95VOV )
1162021;1434130018;jurov;howdy! having 'roos outbreak in south africa?
1162022;1434130074;fluffypony;lol
1162023;1434130081;fluffypony;nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)
1162024;1434130104;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1162025;1434130127;jurov;https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron
1162026;1434130178;*;ascii_field listened, out of entomological interest, to a recording of interview with hearn. yes, him. among the expected idiocies, hearn confessed to an interest in 'remote attestation' and 'trusted computing' as 'promising' alternatives to normally functioning bitcoin...
1162027;1434130178;trinque;jurov: I already see him in that thread
1162028;1434130181;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128131 << see also.
1162029;1434130181;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 18:32:09; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat
1162030;1434130342;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162009 << 3/4 short of goal.
1162031;1434130342;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 15:59:37; pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."
1162032;1434130669;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161973 << what even.
1162033;1434130669;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 15:19:36; scoopbot_revived: Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/
1162034;1434130812;trinque;2115? :(
1162035;1434130840;trinque;gimme the 2040s at the latest
1162036;1434130929;ascii_field;that wasn't even the lulziest thing
1162037;1434130948;ascii_field;but the bureaucratic flavour of 'u.n. minutes'
1162038;1434130960;ascii_field;i assume pete meant this as a spoof
1162039;1434130975;jurov;http://digg.com/video/mad-scientist-builds-a-40-watt-laser-shotgun ascii_field you wanted laserguns?
1162040;1434130977;assbot;Mad Scientist Builds A 40-Watt Laser Shotgun - Digg ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSJaKW )
1162041;1434130996;jurov;;;lasers
1162042;1434130996;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
1162043;1434130996;trinque;jurov: that thing looks damned fun; needs more lasers and MOAR POWER though
1162044;1434131027;ascii_field;eh scam
1162045;1434131032;ascii_field;diode array laser isn't additive !
1162046;1434131038;trinque;oh :(
1162047;1434131051;ascii_field;(there is a reason coherent beans are more interesting than 'archimedes'-style collimated white light)
1162048;1434131070;ben_vulpes;client is using heroku
1162049;1434131073;ben_vulpes;heroku does not persist state
1162050;1434131078;ben_vulpes;users want to upload images
1162051;1434131079;ben_vulpes;solution?
1162052;1434131085;trinque;an hero-ku
1162053;1434131086;ben_vulpes;IMAGES INTO POSTGRES BINARY FIELD WOOO
1162054;1434131095;ben_vulpes;an hero-kun!
1162055;1434131118;jurov;ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
1162056;1434131159;ascii_field;jurov: i'd pick it over nagant
1162057;1434131164;jurov;ben_vulpes: redirect them to imgur?
1162058;1434131188;ben_vulpes;mnah
1162059;1434131194;ben_vulpes;i prefer to abuse mother postgres
1162060;1434131203;ben_vulpes;loosen her up with these big old binaries
1162061;1434131230;trinque;it'll totally work
1162062;1434131272;nubbins`;ascii_field i think he used a lens to focus the discrete beams
1162063;1434131296;nubbins`;that said, i was pretty unimpressed with the amount of time it took to light paper on fire
1162064;1434131306;ascii_field;nubbins`: do you understand what 'coherence' means re: laser light ?
1162065;1434131309;nubbins`;i could do better with a lens on a sunny day
1162066;1434131338;nubbins`;ascii_field in general
1162067;1434131352;ascii_field;nubbins`: not same as collimation.
1162068;1434131360;jurov;he had fixed focus
1162069;1434131363;ascii_field;it means that wave is in phase.
1162070;1434131368;ascii_field;nothing whatsoever to do with focus
1162071;1434131385;ben_vulpes;trinque: it *did* totally work
1162072;1434131423;nubbins`;sure
1162073;1434131425;jurov;might be interesting to reuse old camera with autofocus
1162074;1434131433;nubbins`;i still think he used a lens to focus the beams 8)
1162075;1434131446;ascii_field;http://amasci.com/miscon/coherenc.html
1162076;1434131447;assbot;WHAT IS COHERENCE? Lasers and coherent light ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSKCwW )
1162077;1434131448;ascii_field;^^^ mandatory
1162078;1434131524;jurov;ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
1162079;1434131544;jurov;energy gets trnasferred to target eithrt
1162080;1434131548;jurov;*either
1162081;1434131555;ascii_field;jurov: yes.
1162082;1434131575;trinque;matter of constructive or destructive interference right?
1162083;1434131601;ascii_field;jurov: sorta like the famous gedankenexperiment where chinese radio orders all citizens to get on stools and jump at the same time
1162084;1434131614;trinque;hahaha
1162085;1434131663;jurov;if you happen to end up with destructive coherence between two laser diodes, where the energy goes?
1162086;1434131672;jurov;*intereference
1162087;1434131731;ascii_field;jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRi4dv9KgCg
1162088;1434131732;assbot;Optics: Destructive interference - Where does the light go? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSLmlO )
1162089;1434131736;nubbins`;same place it goes when two people jump into opposite ends of pool
1162090;1434131860;jurov;okay. so i'd combine different wavelengths diodes then. still more easily to obtain here than nagant parts and ammo
1162091;1434131876;ascii_field;jurov: seriously, easier ?
1162092;1434131941;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1162093;1434131947;jurov;!up ascii_field
1162094;1434131965;ascii_field;jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
1162095;1434131980;jurov;it makes noise
1162096;1434131986;ascii_field;or hell, in what country can one not make an arbalest ?
1162097;1434131996;ascii_field;from materials in any skip ?
1162098;1434132017;jurov;nagant ==== arbalest now?
1162099;1434132039;ascii_field;at close range, i'd rather take nagant bullet than a bolt from arbalest (if decently constructed)
1162100;1434132236;ascii_field;http://laserpointerforums.com/attachments/f39/46301d1413484753-40w-co2-laser-tube-power-supply-tubeandps.jpg << actual 40w laser. i have this (very common!) tube.
1162101;1434132238;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAgZQr )
1162102;1434132265;ascii_field;ir. so no one will be making 'sexy' films about these.
1162103;1434132305;jurov;see the chunky power supply next to it? that's why
1162104;1434132316;ascii_field;jurov: photo doesn't even include the water pumps and chiller
1162105;1434132325;mod6;im attempting to apply the gcc patch we discussed the other night: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html
1162106;1434132326;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAhutI )
1162107;1434132346;ascii_field;(serious co2 lasers also recirculate the actual co2, rather than keeping it in sealed pipe)
1162108;1434132351;mod6;gentoo has an ability to allow you to do an overlay .. but holy crap. gentoo is such a nightmare.
1162109;1434132367;ascii_field;gentoo is a nightmare but the non-gentoo world is an utter hell
1162110;1434132385;jurov;so, in the end, combining x diodes even if not coherent needs less energy than one coherent tube.
1162111;1434132388;mod6;and the documentation is so bad, it's not even accurate, and makes assumptions about the audience. smh.
1162112;1434132394;ascii_field;i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
1162113;1434132402;ascii_field;(or bsd)
1162114;1434132431;nubbins`;osx ;p
1162115;1434132434;*;nubbins` cackles, weeps
1162116;1434132446;nubbins`;so i popped a brand-new piece of mesh this morning
1162117;1434132448;nubbins`;let me find a pic
1162118;1434132454;mod6;trinque says y, "to learn gentoo, you must have learned gentoo". which is the total truth. you can't just pick this thing up and figure it out.
1162119;1434132474;mod6;you have to pick it up and then figure out all out. bzzzzt.
1162120;1434132478;ascii_field;jurov: the best known way to combine power from multiple diode lasers is fiber. but this only works for certain wavelengths where fiber works well.
1162121;1434132497;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/KXZT8TX
1162122;1434132498;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSNWrR )
1162123;1434132498;ascii_field;jurov: you can get a few dozen kW of this on, e.g., 'ebay'
1162124;1434132502;ascii_field;aim like garden hose.
1162125;1434132513;nubbins`;*brand* new. hadn't even been sullied with ink yet.
1162126;1434132672;mod6;UGH
1162127;1434132751;jurov;mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
1162128;1434132811;mod6;i need to get back to winning here.  been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
1162129;1434132848;shinohai;I havent picked up gentoo yet :/
1162130;1434133014;mod6;im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd
1162131;1434133085;mod6;after 6 weeks, all that I can conclude about gentoo is it's basically unuseable.
1162132;1434133108;nubbins`;there was some discussion on this
1162133;1434133117;nubbins`;iirc, *BSD is a completely other type of retarded.
1162134;1434133136;jurov;O.o how unuseable?
1162135;1434133142;nubbins`;gentoo was chosen, i believe, at the behest of alf
1162136;1434133146;mod6;it's unuseable.
1162137;1434133154;nubbins`;mod6 i compiled bitcoind on gentoo
1162138;1434133166;nubbins`;and buildroot as well
1162139;1434133168;mod6;i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
1162140;1434133177;nubbins`;there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
1162141;1434133188;nubbins`;it just doesn't exist
1162142;1434133230;*;nubbins` takes a break from corporate income tax forms
1162143;1434133246;jurov;maybe it just refuses to fit your preconceptions
1162144;1434133263;nubbins`;^
1162145;1434133267;mod6;naw, i have no preconceptions about anything. im talking about using this thing.
1162146;1434133275;mod6;and it sucks.
1162147;1434133279;nubbins`;mod6 for god's sakes man, use specifics
1162148;1434133294;jurov;i'm use it daily as my desktop. for years and yes, pls sepcifics
1162149;1434133298;nubbins`;this is like telling the waiter your food tastes un-good
1162150;1434133318;nubbins`;is it too salty or is there poop in it?
1162151;1434133393;shinohai;evening assets https://i.imgur.com/yPNebWv.jpg [nsfw for some]
1162152;1434133394;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSQt5p )
1162153;1434133451;nubbins`;not sure why you shared that, but hi
1162154;1434133463;ben_vulpes;in what world is that nsfw?
1162155;1434133474;mod6;what i'm sayin is this: without expert knowledge of how to use gentoo, I can't do what needs to be done in a reasonable amount of time.  everyting for me in there is arduous, painstaking.
1162156;1434133475;nubbins`;the old world
1162157;1434133485;nubbins`;mod6 an example, please
1162158;1434133499;nubbins`;what can you not do
1162159;1434133501;mod6;umm. everything.
1162160;1434133505;nubbins`;HELP US HELP YOU
1162161;1434133513;nubbins`;you can't get a bash prompt?
1162162;1434133517;jurov;mod6 if what you are doing is compiling C binaries, then learning to solve gentoo problems is unavoidable part of it
1162163;1434133529;nubbins`;can't get online?
1162164;1434133530;nubbins`;wat
1162165;1434133553;jurov;and yes, what is *the* problem?
1162166;1434133557;shinohai;http://xtnodes.com/   <<<LOLOLOL
1162167;1434133559;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAmP4k )
1162168;1434133633;mod6;<+nubbins`> you can't get a bash prompt? << for instance on my POS box that I bought for $129.00 an x86_64 core2duo, I can't even install the os. All i can do is boot the livecd, do the chroot stuff, and then end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot.  when it comes to my instance in AWS, i've had better luck, but doing stuff for me is so time consuming. in this case, i need to get gcc recompiled with patches to see if we can get past this error we 
1162169;1434133668;mod6;could I just pull down gcc-4.8.4 itself and patch? sure. it'd be a lot easier.
1162170;1434133719;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << gentoo is not an evening thing. it is a lifetime commitment.
1162171;1434133719;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
1162172;1434133719;mod6;but im positive that i'd never get it configured correctly to use uclibc and whatever other configurations are required to even test this patch.  even if I get the patch to work, how am I supposed to get this into such a state that someone else can repeat it?
1162173;1434133785;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1162174;1434133789;mod6;luckally trinque has been holdig my hand on all of this.
1162175;1434133795;mod6;but... *shrug*. w/e.
1162176;1434133797;ascii_field;and i should point out that in my mind gentoo is defined by ~absences~ of crud, rather than specific attributes which are ~present~
1162177;1434133798;jurov;end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot << for example this is you're 90% there, use the prompt to find the kernel and boot, then reconfigure grub from the running system
1162178;1434133802;*;mod6 goes back to banging his head
1162179;1434133816;jurov;what head banging there?
1162180;1434133842;jurov;grub can be problematic in any distro
1162181;1434133896;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162166 << poor schmuck, he oughta ask his handler at ft meade for more boxes
1162182;1434133896;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 18:25:57; shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/   <<<LOLOLOL
1162183;1434134420;kakobrekla;you dont need more boxes
1162184;1434134435;ascii_field;mr hearnia does
1162185;1434134677;trinque;their github readme tries to make it sound like it's not just about the block size
1162186;1434134730;trinque;clear intent to frame the blocksize thing in the context of a bunch of other (bullshit) progress!
1162187;1434134756;trinque;"DNS seed changes: bitseed.xf2.org is removed as it no longer works, and seeds from Addy Yeow and Mike Hearn are (re)added to increase seed diversity and redundancy." << LOL
1162188;1434134767;fluffypony;[19:59:12]  <Relos>I can hear mary antoinette saying: "let them eat cake"
1162189;1434134769;fluffypony;mary
1162190;1434134771;fluffypony;MARY
1162191;1434134773;fluffypony;omg nubbins`
1162192;1434134790;fluffypony;Mary Antoinette sounds like a maid from the farmlands
1162193;1434134806;ascii_field;l0ltr0n1c
1162194;1434136010;punkman;http://bitcoinassociation.ch/blog/no-vat-on-bitcoin-in-switzerland/
1162195;1434136011;assbot;No VAT on Bitcoin in Switzerland | Bitcoin Association Switzerland ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7b4r7 )
1162196;1434137211;mircea_popescu;!up danielpbarron
1162197;1434137213;mircea_popescu;!up tank100
1162198;1434137356;punkman;http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08158.html
1162199;1434137357;assbot;[Bitcoin-development] Miners: You'll (very likely) need to upgrade your Bitcoin Core node soon to support BIP66 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT1Daq )
1162200;1434137372;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1162201;1434137379;ascii_field;punkman: 'need to' aha
1162202;1434137382;ascii_field;l0l
1162203;1434137408;mircea_popescu;herpitty-derp.
1162204;1434137553;mircea_popescu;;;calc .95 * 1 + 2 - 2.8
1162205;1434137553;gribble;0.15
1162206;1434137559;mircea_popescu;seems the red line's way off.
1162207;1434137582;mircea_popescu;ah actually mebbe not.
1162208;1434137638;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is the thing trying to fix the signatures issue isn';t it ?
1162209;1434137648;punkman;one of them at least
1162210;1434137665;mircea_popescu;right.
1162211;1434137688;mircea_popescu;anyway, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << prolly worth yet another read
1162212;1434137689;assbot;bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2mbq )
1162213;1434137705;mircea_popescu;there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
1162214;1434137744;punkman;in other news http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Bitcoin+Gets+Second+Wind+As+World%26apos%3Bs+First+Hair+Wholesaler,+AiryHair,+Ditches+Cash+For+Cryptocurrency+With+A+Rap+Video/10644510.html
1162215;1434137745;assbot;Bitcoin Gets Second Wind As World's First Hair Wholesaler, AiryHair, Ditches Cash For Cryptocurrency With A Rap Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2s2M )
1162216;1434137775;mircea_popescu;also iirc valid sigs that are uncompliant can actually be fixed without resigining
1162217;1434137806;mircea_popescu;punkman second wind eh ?mmmkay.
1162218;1434137808;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162213 << just say when.
1162219;1434137808;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 19:35:05; mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin
1162220;1434137851;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161998 << lotta those ?
1162221;1434137851;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 15:38:37; nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?
1162222;1434138435;nubbins`;there's like $150 worth of concept sketches of you riding a horse and squinting at the sun around here somewhere
1162223;1434138454;mircea_popescu;ahaha what was that all about ?
1162224;1434138459;ascii_field;in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
1162225;1434138473;ascii_field;every time i have to burn (or even read) an eeprom i end up doing something retarded like this - http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_working.png
1162226;1434138477;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162025 << poor gavin, everyone wants a piece of his ass now. the sad fate of the internet lolcow.
1162227;1434138477;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:47; jurov: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron
1162228;1434138500;nubbins`;mircea_popescu ask tsp i guess :D
1162229;1434138504;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that's not SO retarded.
1162230;1434138526;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is monumentally retarded to do whole day's work to read back an 8k rom.
1162231;1434138528;ascii_field;4k actually
1162232;1434138531;ascii_field;(in that photo)
1162233;1434138543;mircea_popescu;but you keeping the pinboard around neh ?
1162234;1434138549;mircea_popescu;do it once have it forevar.
1162235;1434138561;ascii_field;no because next time, different pinout
1162236;1434138568;ascii_field;have to tear it out, pull out pen, paper...
1162237;1434138580;ascii_field;rom burner is this thing where you don't have to. pull the part # from db and drop in the chip
1162238;1434138594;ascii_field;(into 'zif' socket with mechanical lever, too, avoid bending the ancient pins
1162239;1434138595;ascii_field;)
1162240;1434138644;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162055 << what happens if i wear tin foil ?
1162241;1434138644;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 17:45:18; jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not
1162242;1434138670;mircea_popescu;ascii_field one for each pinout ?
1162243;1434138688;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: one for each pin pitch
1162244;1434138710;mircea_popescu;lol get a lever pinboard!!1
1162245;1434138720;ascii_field;(you can drop arbitrary dip into a dip-40 so long as it physically fits, and the microcontroller knows what to do)
1162246;1434138727;ascii_field;nobody makes lever breadboards.
1162247;1434138737;mircea_popescu;they should tho
1162248;1434138762;ascii_field;http://www.logicaldevices.com/cm6000u.JPG << example of rom burner
1162249;1434138764;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QtOoCc )
1162250;1434138790;ascii_field;breadboards are also terrible re: distortion.
1162251;1434138799;mircea_popescu;aha
1162252;1434138816;ascii_field;the correct solution to the problem is physically shaped like the above photo.
1162253;1434138835;jurov;mircea_popescu: as long as there are breathing/talking holes left...
1162254;1434138845;decimation;yeah breadboards have large distributed impedance
1162255;1434138847;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162078 << yes dude. the difference between cars going the same place and cars going at the same pace.
1162256;1434138847;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 17:52:04; jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?
1162257;1434138900;mircea_popescu;not even. "cars going the same place and cars being wheel to wheel on the road"
1162258;1434138946;shinohai;I need a logo: http://i.imgur.com/Of7w3cz.jpg
1162259;1434138996;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162094 << any boy that is allowed to be a photo-hipster can turn plain paper into nitrocellulose. that'll work better than butane.
1162260;1434138996;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 17:59:25; ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)
1162261;1434139012;ascii_field;^ did this
1162262;1434139016;shinohai;lol
1162263;1434139025;nubbins`;you also need a font with a # character
1162264;1434139033;nubbins`;and a white drop shadow
1162265;1434139034;nubbins`;:P
1162266;1434139045;ascii_field;but the butane example pertains to hypothetical boy with access only to 'typical u.s. household' garbage
1162267;1434139050;shinohai;yes indeed. potato quality indeed.
1162268;1434139085;mircea_popescu;shinohai you're jewish ?
1162269;1434139112;shinohai;i have jewish family. im not religious myself in any traditional sense.
1162270;1434139120;mircea_popescu;ascii_field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yE7v4wkuZU
1162271;1434139141;shinohai;but, i couldn't resist a play on the yeshiva theme.
1162272;1434139147;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes, we did this.
1162273;1434139160;ascii_field;back in the free world.
1162274;1434139165;mircea_popescu;aha
1162275;1434139220;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162112 < ascii lots of 'serious folks' use redhat for this reason
1162276;1434139220;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 18:06:34; ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo
1162277;1434139225;mircea_popescu;dear god the guy in there's unsafe.
1162278;1434139235;mircea_popescu;seriously, placing your hand to block the upside clearance of the berzelius glass ?
1162279;1434139236;decimation;as much as they derp on shit, they still do a decent job of delivering a platform that is a stable target
1162280;1434139238;mircea_popescu;wtf, who does this
1162281;1434139253;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1162282;1434139350;trinque;decimation: I probably understand more about redhat's stable target than your garden-variety redhat user because I've used gentoo for so long
1162283;1434139351;scoopbot_revived;Reddit Outrage Reveals Silicon Valley Censorship Agenda http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/
1162284;1434139373;decimation;trinque: trust me I've lived on gentoo for years
1162285;1434139388;decimation;it forced me to learn why I don't want the latest of everything
1162286;1434139399;BingoBoingo;Fuck
1162287;1434139402;ascii_field;i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd to be quite unusable for daily work
1162288;1434139406;trinque;yep, and also of what a linux system is actually composed
1162289;1434139422;decimation;ascii_field: but you have admitted that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly
1162290;1434139425;mircea_popescu;aww BingoBoingo why so short ?
1162291;1434139426;ascii_field;aha
1162292;1434139440;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned to draft bin
1162293;1434139447;mircea_popescu;aok
1162294;1434139449;decimation;so youre 'gentoo' is really gentoo* where * denotes "hand selected all software"
1162295;1434139459;ascii_field;aha
1162296;1434139462;mircea_popescu;you know, trilema has a 5 minute delay in the rss feed for this and similar reasons
1162297;1434139464;ascii_field;anything else is a sewage pit
1162298;1434139465;BingoBoingo;https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << In other news two non-suck traffic days in a row
1162299;1434139467;assbot;                  Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast                   ... ( http://bit.ly/1zsOj4H )
1162300;1434139481;decimation;I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation
1162301;1434139503;trinque;also had a great introductory experience w/ obsd
1162302;1434139549;decimation;I also admit that rhel7 is a clusterfuck
1162303;1434139560;decimation;and redhat is going 'full vm'
1162304;1434139635;trinque;decimation: doing the coreos thing with dual-roots or something?
1162305;1434139665;decimation;well, it's more that redhat seems to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts
1162306;1434139681;decimation;that and j2ee bullshit
1162307;1434139700;decimation;their focus on providing a reasonable experience for the console user is nearly nonexistent
1162308;1434139706;decimation;!up asciilifeform
1162309;1434139710;decimation;!up ascii_field
1162310;1434139889;ascii_field;there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on the pc end
1162311;1434139906;ascii_field;http://www.sslug.dk/~chlor/prom << even in '02 this was obvious
1162312;1434139923;decimation;ascii_field: why does it require specialized turdware then?
1162313;1434139937;ascii_field;decimation: because the world is awash in turdmeisters
1162314;1434139968;ascii_field;also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had to live in software
1162315;1434139979;ascii_field;on pc end
1162316;1434139987;decimation;yeah, plus proprietary chip configurations
1162317;1434140007;ascii_field;http://blog.killtheradio.net/tricks-hacks/how-to-get-the-top2004-programmer-running-under-windows-7-64-bit << even under winblows, they suck
1162318;1434140016;ascii_field;(what -doesn't- suck there ?)
1162319;1434140029;decimation;it's kinda like modern cars having few user-servicable parts
1162320;1434140034;decimation;apparently the 'demand' doesn't exist
1162321;1434140039;decimation;or if it does, it has been quashed
1162322;1434140060;decimation;"who needs to fix their own chips?"
1162323;1434140089;ascii_field;'who needs a logic analyzer that can talk to software people write themselves' ? (see yesterday's thread)
1162324;1434140143;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162127 << why ? is this some new jurov rule ?
1162325;1434140143;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
1162326;1434140188;decimation;ascii_field: yeah I read your bitching
1162327;1434140190;jurov;you know of anything both insanely configurable and immediately intuitive?
1162328;1434140201;mircea_popescu;death.
1162329;1434140206;ascii_field;!b 2
1162330;1434140206;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Y9MJ0Z.txt )
1162331;1434140224;trinque;bwahaha
1162332;1434140227;ascii_field;decimation: it blows my mind that the market for sane engineering tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST
1162333;1434140230;mircea_popescu;do i get a prize ?
1162334;1434140240;ascii_field;this is how you get the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc
1162335;1434140249;jurov;mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want.
1162336;1434140261;mircea_popescu;well... kill someone, at any rate.
1162337;1434140343;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's really a socialism problem. the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed the aristocratic "it makes sense". this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper,
1162338;1434140355;decimation;ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used to work at HP developing logic analyzers
1162339;1434140355;mircea_popescu;in the limited sense of "cheaper" that means "more accessible to the plebs"
1162340;1434140369;decimation;he saw the writing on the wall when the winblows mandate came around, decided to bail
1162341;1434140392;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: thing is, we could get the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP
1162342;1434140396;ascii_field;and so we don't.
1162343;1434140403;decimation;to be clear, in the case of logic analyzers the main problem is that only fancy chip makers use them anymore
1162344;1434140413;ascii_field;(yes, the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~)
1162345;1434140420;mircea_popescu;soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see the graphs.
1162346;1434140432;decimation;ascii_field: surely there are older HP models that run HP-UX?
1162347;1434140450;ascii_field;decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits to pc at channel speed !
1162348;1434140454;decimation;then you might get to write some IEEE-488
1162349;1434140461;decimation;no usually not
1162350;1434140464;ascii_field;i need them at channel speed.
1162351;1434140466;decimation;they have a shitty gpib
1162352;1434140493;decimation;these days if you want to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you
1162353;1434140500;ascii_field;why the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ?
1162354;1434140501;decimation;so the market for logic analyzers has shrunk to chip makers
1162355;1434140507;ascii_field;if it can't piss the bits out to pc at 1G/s
1162356;1434140525;decimation;this is a problem with test equipment in general
1162357;1434140531;decimation;very few support streaming data at reasonable rates
1162358;1434140535;ascii_field;decimation: chip makers willing to use xp
1162359;1434140551;decimation;absolutely they are
1162360;1434140561;decimation;because they assign their indian h1b to test the chip
1162361;1434140566;decimation;don't give a fuck what indian thinks
1162362;1434140617;decimation;ascii_field: what about this: https://www.saleae.com/
1162363;1434140619;assbot;The Logic Analyzer with Analog - Saleae ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThqI2R )
1162364;1434140629;ascii_field;decimation: slow as fuck, and USED CLOSED DRIVER
1162365;1434140635;decimation;heh yeah it is slow
1162366;1434140642;decimation;what you expect for usb 2
1162367;1434140642;ascii_field;so solves NEITHER
1162368;1434140660;ascii_field;may as well be a winblows item like the 1,001 it competes with
1162369;1434140663;decimation;the driver might be closed, but supposedly you can buy chinese knockoffs for cheap
1162370;1434140676;ascii_field;aha already got one of those
1162371;1434140680;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/us-cybersecurity-usa-whitehouse-idUSKBN0OS26Q20150612 << 14mil employees' data affected up from 4mil
1162372;1434140681;assbot;      White house: cannot confirm reports 14 million affected by hack| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThqQ2l )
1162373;1434140681;ascii_field;utter garbage
1162374;1434140683;trinque;hilarious
1162375;1434140694;trinque;"cannot confirm"
1162376;1434140715;trinque;I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there.
1162377;1434140740;decimation;ascii_field: so you want high speed, streaming and no winblows?
1162378;1434140744;decimation;I don't think that exists
1162379;1434140772;decimation;what frequency do you need?
1162380;1434140779;ascii_field;decimation: 500MHz+
1162381;1434140796;decimation;streaming 500 megasamples/sec?
1162382;1434140800;ascii_field;aha.
1162383;1434140817;decimation;heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead
1162384;1434140833;ascii_field;it'd fit on pci-e handily
1162385;1434140836;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published this month got less than 1k reads THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure.
1162386;1434140856;mircea_popescu;i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around.
1162387;1434140862;ascii_field;decimation: and it is way below the write speed of my hdd, which is the real limit
1162388;1434140872;decimation;ascii_field: does it need to go down to DC?  You could use an 'ettus radio'
1162389;1434140882;ascii_field;decimation: yes it needs to go to dc
1162390;1434140887;ascii_field;wtf else is a logic analyzer
1162391;1434140894;ascii_field;if i have a steady state, it needs to show - that.
1162392;1434140903;ascii_field;if 100MHz square wave - then it.
1162393;1434140910;ascii_field;otherwise it's a turd
1162394;1434140912;decimation;most of those radios don't go down below 100 mhz
1162395;1434140935;ascii_field;decimation: radio doesn't pick up arbitrary waveforms
1162396;1434140940;ascii_field;it wants carriers, fsk, etc
1162397;1434140946;ascii_field;a radio is not an oscilloscope !
1162398;1434140982;decimation;sure is, if it goes down to DC
1162399;1434140991;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2015#1001114 << couple of 500mhz devices listed there, I wouldn't hope for much though
1162400;1434140991;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2015 07:05:04; punkman: ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you http://sigrok.org/wiki/Supported_hardware#Logic_analyzers
1162401;1434140994;decimation;yeah it does do arbitrary waveforms
1162402;1434141001;mod6;<+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip.
1162403;1434141019;jurov;not me, mircea
1162404;1434141025;ascii_field;punkman: saw that, yes
1162405;1434141027;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162128 o.O
1162406;1434141027;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need to get back to winning here.  been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.
1162407;1434141030;decimation;ascii_field: what about rhode & schwarz?
1162408;1434141053;mircea_popescu;mod6 you seriously proposing marrying to openbsd ?
1162409;1434141054;ascii_field;decimation: where is the mention of linux there ?
1162410;1434141096;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << fwiw this was my experience as well, but not sure whether this is because badly packaged or outright evil.
1162411;1434141096;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.
1162412;1434141106;decimation;I think they might use winblows too
1162413;1434141113;decimation;I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea
1162414;1434141117;ascii_field;decimation: so 100% as worthless as agilent et al
1162415;1434141122;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162140 << why ?
1162416;1434141122;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
1162417;1434141129;trinque;mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend
1162418;1434141131;decimation;they were trying to 'break into the market' with a different oscope
1162419;1434141142;ascii_field;i see nothing 'different' about it
1162420;1434141147;ascii_field;even has the asinine 'ask for quote'
1162421;1434141155;ascii_field;so they can give usg own price, and you - another
1162422;1434141172;trinque;it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head
1162423;1434141184;trinque;the handbook they have is overly complex, and tries to include you in the decisionmaking
1162424;1434141185;mircea_popescu;trinque i recall that part...
1162425;1434141194;mod6;eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion.  My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that.  Everything has been a struggle here, for me.  Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long.  Maybe I just had bad expectations as
1162426;1434141209;decimation;ascii_field: http://www.effectivebits.net/2011/08/to-run-windows-or-not-to-run-windows.html < supposedly some tektronix scopes run linux
1162427;1434141210;assbot;Effective Bits: To run Windows or not to run Windows - All About Oscilloscope Operating Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTbL2T )
1162428;1434141252;mircea_popescu;mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases"
1162429;1434141264;decimation;tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does
1162430;1434141267;mod6;that's fair.  gentoo might be the right move.
1162431;1434141268;mircea_popescu;fwiw de raadt isn't even in here.
1162432;1434141284;ascii_field;decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link
1162433;1434141294;decimation;yeah possibly not
1162434;1434141301;decimation;that's probably a 'premium feature'
1162435;1434141305;ascii_field;not for 100, not for 100,000
1162436;1434141312;ascii_field;not for $maxint.
1162437;1434141345;ascii_field;motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes.
1162438;1434141351;ascii_field;talking about perhaps 1,000 transistors here.
1162439;1434141356;ascii_field;and nobody wants to sell this.
1162440;1434141359;ascii_field;for any amount.
1162441;1434141375;decimation;well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface
1162442;1434141386;decimation;then all they have to sell is some analog electronics attached to a digitizer
1162443;1434141396;ascii_field;or will 'have problems'
1162444;1434141402;ascii_field;and factory mysteriously burns
1162445;1434141473;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ?
1162446;1434141485;decimation;actually it's not so much that
1162447;1434141490;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i need it here and now.
1162448;1434141495;decimation;I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules too
1162449;1434141500;decimation;so 'no export for you'
1162450;1434141516;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1162451;1434141518;ascii_field;and anyone pursuing sanity today, needs it.
1162452;1434141527;*;mircea_popescu hands ascii_field a roll of duct tape and taped old tv shows 
1162453;1434141545;ascii_field;probably ought to explain. see all of those instruments that were never reverse-engineered adequately ?
1162454;1434141551;mircea_popescu;yes
1162455;1434141552;ascii_field;it was from a lack of precisely this simple tool.
1162456;1434141559;mircea_popescu;figures.
1162457;1434141560;ascii_field;(and, often, the muscles)
1162458;1434141566;ascii_field;but must have ~both~
1162459;1434141586;mircea_popescu;looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche.
1162460;1434141603;mircea_popescu;this has been established.
1162461;1434141709;mircea_popescu;i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website"
1162462;1434141745;ascii_field;most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.'
1162463;1434141750;mircea_popescu;besuckmycocke
1162464;1434141754;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah
1162465;1434141758;decimation;there is no 'bespoke' in electronics
1162466;1434141765;mircea_popescu;ya think ?
1162467;1434141765;decimation;everything is made en-mass in chip fabs
1162468;1434141786;decimation;if the indian tester fucked up the chip for your application, sucks for you
1162469;1434141819;mircea_popescu;anyway, ascii_field, how does one check cardanos without an oscilloscope ?
1162470;1434141853;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro
1162471;1434141864;ascii_field;the rng -must- be checked with scope
1162472;1434141881;ascii_field;but, fortunately, it is a low-speed device
1162473;1434141882;mircea_popescu;my question to you is, why must it be checked at higher frequency than what we use.
1162474;1434141888;mircea_popescu;we don't poll it 500mhz
1162475;1434141890;mircea_popescu;not even close.
1162476;1434141890;ascii_field;because nyquist
1162477;1434141895;mircea_popescu;even so.
1162478;1434141898;ascii_field;but in this story i was not speaking of cardano
1162479;1434141902;mircea_popescu;there's a math approach to select good multiples.
1162480;1434141931;mircea_popescu;do half, one and a half, three, whatever's normally done.
1162481;1434142011;ascii_field;one sometimes wishes to capture fast signals, e.g., pci bus.
1162482;1434142030;ascii_field;in pursuit of sanity.
1162483;1434142045;mircea_popescu;yeah
1162484;1434142138;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtd4jESZD1r31l4no1_500.gif
1162485;1434142139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThucSX )
1162486;1434142295;mod6;<+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet.  i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. he
1162487;1434142346;ascii_field;mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff
1162488;1434142395;trinque;ascii_field: stageN -> genkernel -> grub2-install -> grub2-mkconfig   ??
1162489;1434142399;mod6;well, im afraid of that too.  so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then.
1162490;1434142400;trinque;works for me every time
1162491;1434142407;ascii_field;what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ
1162492;1434142415;ascii_field;the man who built it, is also part of it
1162493;1434142425;ascii_field;and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely
1162494;1434142427;ascii_field;and compensated
1162495;1434142462;ascii_field;but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days'
1162496;1434142490;ascii_field;perhaps particle accelerator is better analogy
1162497;1434142493;decimation;ascii it is quite possible that oscopes with this kind of capability are considered itar controlled
1162498;1434142502;ascii_field;decimation: the fuck'd i care, i'm in usa
1162499;1434142506;ascii_field;ought to be able to buy
1162500;1434142508;mod6;i guess i didn't realize that gentoo =~ particle accelerator haha
1162501;1434142528;decimation;yeah but generally if it is itar controlled, nobody makes except maybe for golden toilet price
1162502;1434142536;ascii_field;mod6: not gentoo. gentoo+hardware+man
1162503;1434142539;ascii_field;~system~
1162504;1434142546;trinque;ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-06-11-20-17-45.txt
1162505;1434142547;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTg0eL )
1162506;1434142555;trinque;that should at least clear the grub hurdle
1162507;1434142562;trinque;can fine-tune from there
1162508;1434142599;trinque;it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind"
1162509;1434142627;mod6;my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working".  but what about everyone else?
1162510;1434142671;decimation;ascii_field: honestly if you want this product you are probably going to need to build yourself
1162511;1434142735;ascii_field;decimation: here i sit, building approximately it myself.
1162512;1434142772;decimation;ascii_field: what about these http://www.signatec.com/products/daq/high-speed-digitizer-pc-interfaces.html
1162513;1434142773;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTgH7T )
1162514;1434142774;ascii_field;decimation: very tediously, and at great expense.
1162515;1434142799;ascii_field;decimation: where's the 100% open spec ?
1162516;1434142814;decimation;heh good luck on that
1162517;1434142823;trinque;mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does?
1162518;1434142839;mod6;so, anyway, i dunno.  i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself.  go from there I guess.
1162519;1434142887;ascii_field;decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info
1162520;1434142908;decimation;apparently it does have linux drivers
1162521;1434142912;decimation;probably binary blobs
1162522;1434142917;ascii_field;useless then.
1162523;1434142924;decimation;it does meet your other specs though
1162524;1434142931;decimation;and 'only' $11k
1162525;1434142936;mod6;<+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that.  you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I.
1162526;1434142938;ascii_field;and i don't need the adc for anything
1162527;1434142967;mod6;i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I.
1162528;1434142967;trinque;mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there
1162529;1434142983;mod6;ok.  cool.  I'll give it a try.
1162530;1434142985;ascii_field;mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i.
1162531;1434142990;ascii_field;this one's for human use
1162532;1434142997;ascii_field;as i understand
1162533;1434143004;trinque;thing is partitioning's a very personal decision
1162534;1434143005;decimation;wait I thought you wanted adc
1162535;1434143011;ascii_field;decimation: nope
1162536;1434143015;ascii_field;decimation: logic capture
1162537;1434143016;mod6;well, we started with Deb6 + packages.
1162538;1434143021;ascii_field;between known-low and known-high
1162539;1434143024;decimation;so you only need 500 mhz '1-bit' samples?
1162540;1434143030;ascii_field;aha
1162541;1434143044;decimation;yeah do it yourself
1162542;1434143059;decimation;this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has
1162543;1434143066;trinque;mod6: if you use the disk image approach the livecd story becomes very simple
1162544;1434143085;trinque;that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure
1162545;1434143096;trinque;complete with various "oh you want to encrypt /home ?" and so on
1162546;1434143131;trinque;livecd boots, starts bash script whose only purpose is to be told which drive to obliterate with a standard base image
1162547;1434143218;mod6;trinque: with the image, don't we run into issues with hardware other than x86_64?
1162548;1434143254;trinque;you'd just make separate base images
1162549;1434143266;ascii_field;mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart
1162550;1434143275;ascii_field;e.g., mircea_popescu's box flaked for no known reason
1162551;1434143300;decimation;why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86?
1162552;1434143315;trinque;anyhow I've given my opinion on how this ought to be done.
1162553;1434143319;ascii_field;decimation: because they are no longer readily available ?
1162554;1434143339;mod6;<+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo?
1162555;1434143350;trinque;!up ascii_field
1162556;1434143350;mod6;!up ascii_field
1162557;1434143378;ascii_field;mod6: you can set yours to x86, or sparc, or whatever
1162558;1434143385;decimation;what isn't available? doesn't x86-64 also run 32 bit?
1162559;1434143389;ascii_field;problem is that x86 is not a platform !
1162560;1434143395;decimation;no, not really
1162561;1434143400;ascii_field;some other fell has different vga - no go
1162562;1434143401;ascii_field;etc
1162563;1434143411;decimation;it's true you would need a highly restricted hardware list
1162564;1434143453;mod6;are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute.  my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I.
1162565;1434143457;trinque;none of this applies to booting the thing
1162566;1434143468;trinque;if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up.
1162567;1434143475;mod6;I'm just trying to figure out how to get some comprehensive steps so just about anyone who wants to can use our gentoo thingy.
1162568;1434143491;decimation;mod6: I'm saying ditch gentoo, use buildroot
1162569;1434143503;decimation;but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware
1162570;1434143510;mod6;isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo?
1162571;1434143564;mircea_popescu;mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~.
1162572;1434143581;ascii_field;mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc.
1162573;1434143600;ascii_field;buildroot works great when everyone has physically same computer.
1162574;1434143605;ascii_field;e.g. pogo or nintendo etc
1162575;1434143637;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things.
1162576;1434143666;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you mean, killed faster ?
1162577;1434143670;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1162578;1434143680;mircea_popescu;killed faster more.
1162579;1434143683;ascii_field;almost certainly
1162580;1434143743;ascii_field;i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed.
1162581;1434143755;ascii_field;but this does not appear to be happening.
1162582;1434143770;mircea_popescu;eh, give it a decade
1162583;1434143774;mircea_popescu;it's not even 2115 yet.
1162584;1434143781;*;ascii_field does not expect to live for decade
1162585;1434143794;mircea_popescu;the unmistakable mark of youth.
1162586;1434143804;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/
1162587;1434143805;assbot;Reddit Outrage Reveals Y Combinator Censorship Agenda | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTjQVp )
1162588;1434143815;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo url fix too
1162589;1434143841;BingoBoingo;What url fix?
1162590;1434143861;*;mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts.
1162591;1434143865;BingoBoingo;Url and title can mismatch, get moar SEO gainz that way
1162592;1434143875;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1162593;1434143886;mircea_popescu;i dunno abouit these newfangled seo whatchamacallits.
1162594;1434143909;BingoBoingo;Neither do I. It's all fucking voodoo
1162595;1434143946;trinque;I'm gonna have to finish my genbootstrap script before you guys accept gentoo can be installed, I can see.
1162596;1434143961;*;trinque started in data centers derping out OSs to boxen
1162597;1434143984;jurov;https://voat.co/v/fph/ is 404
1162598;1434144030;jurov;trinque: will it be capable to resolve boxen suddenly refusing to boot?
1162599;1434144041;trinque;I refuse to accept that that's even a thing.
1162600;1434144056;trinque;you don't keep backup kernels around?
1162601;1434144071;*;trinque never throws away a "known good" anything once had
1162602;1434144082;mircea_popescu;"Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate."
1162603;1434144083;mircea_popescu;o.O
1162604;1434144088;mircea_popescu;whoi the fuck would use imgur then!
1162605;1434144098;decimation;"What a system like Atomwise actually does can be pretty opaque to a general audience."
1162606;1434144103;jurov;i do. but some people become enraged upon encountering grub> prompt
1162607;1434144106;danielpbarron;"harassing a doxxing" should be *and ? << BingoBoingo
1162608;1434144139;mircea_popescu;copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ?
1162609;1434144166;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: ty
1162610;1434144173;ascii_field;decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do
1162611;1434144182;trinque;jurov: yeah and you had it earlier; you can easily load a kernel from that
1162612;1434144186;trinque;config's only running commands against that
1162613;1434144188;ascii_field;(it did not work especially well, and was not especially fun)
1162614;1434144208;decimation;ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already
1162615;1434144236;mod6;trinque and I tried to get my thing to work from grub> for hours one night, perhaps a few different times.  if it was simple, we'd have resolved it.  it's probably my dumb POS box.
1162616;1434144237;ascii_field;decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams
1162617;1434144243;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ?
1162618;1434144244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD )
1162619;1434144246;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162023 <<< that's super common along the hume highway (takes you from Sydney to Melbourne) and you'll find dead roos, wombats, birds etc etc strew along a 1000km road
1162620;1434144246;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:01; fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)
1162621;1434144256;fluffypony;nice
1162622;1434144260;fluffypony;goddamn roos
1162623;1434144275;ascii_field;e.g., just about everyone at this point went to first grade and would spit on a claimed perpetuum mobile, but if you ask'em to invest in 'miraculous' protein fold solver - different matter
1162624;1434144308;ascii_field;https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << normal gurl
1162625;1434144309;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTleHl )
1162626;1434144322;mircea_popescu;ascii_field she's slightly overweight.
1162627;1434144328;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? << 8chan's non nick makes it hard to verify actual shitlords are posting
1162628;1434144329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD )
1162629;1434144331;cazalla;mircea_popescu, nice body but that face :\
1162630;1434144345;mircea_popescu;cazalla you and your faces. fuck the other end.
1162631;1434144360;trinque;!b 3
1162632;1434144360;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HBVFND.txt )
1162633;1434144364;decimation;ascii_field: but don't you know Big Pharma supresses us!
1162634;1434144369;mircea_popescu;in other news, a turducken walks into the counsellor's office
1162635;1434144382;mircea_popescu;"doc, i dunno what to do... i feel like a chicken trapped in a turkey's body"
1162636;1434144396;trinque;mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
1162637;1434144423;cazalla;mircea_popescu, you do know you can fuck both ends yeah?
1162638;1434144429;mircea_popescu;decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship
1162639;1434144440;mircea_popescu;as their original bs is very hard to sell in the current political climate.
1162640;1434144456;mircea_popescu;cazalla well you can but you dun have to
1162641;1434144468;cazalla;if you can, you must!
1162642;1434144473;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1162643;1434144476;decimation;agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial
1162644;1434144484;mircea_popescu;trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious.
1162645;1434144487;mircea_popescu;i am all for this.
1162646;1434144489;trinque;yep
1162647;1434144560;mircea_popescu;Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman.
1162648;1434144560;mircea_popescu;(USER WAS BANNED FOR DENYING HIS FATNESS)
1162649;1434144563;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1162650;1434144595;decimation;trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7
1162651;1434144609;decimation;has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
1162652;1434144629;trinque;yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
1162653;1434144674;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434091646578-0.jpg win.
1162654;1434144674;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTm1rW )
1162655;1434144705;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162626 << if i can see ribs -> not exciting.
1162656;1434144705;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 21:25:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight.
1162657;1434144715;ascii_field;but 'different folks, different strokes'
1162658;1434144716;trinque;decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases
1162659;1434144738;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162636 << where to get 'standard hardware' ?
1162660;1434144738;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build
1162661;1434144743;ascii_field;i know of no such thing
1162662;1434144746;trinque;bah
1162663;1434144754;trinque;trinque | yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either
1162664;1434144756;decimation;trinque: they are quiet
1162665;1434144803;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162651 << false. 100% of amd boxes
1162666;1434144803;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 21:30:09; decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86
1162667;1434144813;trinque;ascii_field: it's obvious I'm saying that picking hardware which is known in advance to boot gentoo
1162668;1434144820;trinque;*might be beneficial
1162669;1434144846;trinque;if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol
1162670;1434144851;*;trinque goes to find a plow
1162671;1434144875;ascii_field;http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm << i've been using these for various x86y things
1162672;1434144876;assbot;PC Engines apu system boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL2POd )
1162673;1434144896;ascii_field;entirely linuxable
1162674;1434144899;ascii_field;(incl. bios)
1162675;1434144904;ascii_field;doesn't even come with a 'civilian' bios
1162676;1434144917;ascii_field;but - it has no vga.
1162677;1434144927;ascii_field;nor is there any obvious means to add one
1162678;1434144930;trinque;not so bad to be headless
1162679;1434144939;ascii_field;(i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.)
1162680;1434144960;ascii_field;you can tunnel x11 out of it if you insist.
1162681;1434144978;ascii_field;(most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.)
1162682;1434145010;trinque;heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up
1162683;1434145020;decimation;yeah absolutely
1162684;1434145030;decimation;or use another computer for terminal
1162685;1434145060;ascii_field;has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay
1162686;1434145110;ascii_field;(this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS)
1162687;1434145129;trinque;$127 or $150 for 4gb ram
1162688;1434145135;jurov;will it blend...er.. run eulora?
1162689;1434145143;trinque;doubtful
1162690;1434145144;decimation;heh
1162691;1434145144;ascii_field;jurov: probably not. no 3d card
1162692;1434145145;ascii_field;srsly
1162693;1434145150;decimation;good luck getting winblow to boot
1162694;1434145152;trinque;but what's the goal
1162695;1434145166;trinque;I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that
1162696;1434145174;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMgGzgE2R_U
1162697;1434145175;assbot;Green Day - Dominated Love Slave + lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3gYK )
1162698;1434145177;trinque;your bitchin gaming pc goes behind it
1162699;1434145181;trinque;!up ascii_field
1162700;1434145186;ascii_field;decimation: laugh, but winblows boots on'em!
1162701;1434145195;ascii_field;finds the onboard vga (with no output) even.
1162702;1434145214;ascii_field;('corebios' aka linuxbios ships with a simple dos-compat. layer that will boot winblows if you must)
1162703;1434145283;ascii_field;in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good.
1162704;1434145296;decimation;heh amusing
1162705;1434145300;ascii_field;(that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them)
1162706;1434145322;ascii_field;even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback
1162707;1434145332;mircea_popescu;all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?!
1162708;1434145360;mircea_popescu;wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm
1162709;1434145367;mircea_popescu;there's nothing better than beingpriviledged.
1162710;1434145371;decimation;ascii_field: can you boot from eeprom?
1162711;1434145373;mats;fun fact (unapproved by the FCC): the VGA is a decent TX-only SDR.
1162712;1434145379;ascii_field;decimation: all of mine, do
1162713;1434145389;ascii_field;you can stuff generic kernel in there
1162714;1434145395;trinque;mircea_popescu: means "not fair, give me your shit"
1162715;1434145397;decimation;mats: it would be noisy as hell
1162716;1434145398;trinque;to them
1162717;1434145399;ascii_field;mats: ancient history. music over vga
1162718;1434145431;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
1162719;1434145469;decimation;wow even can order metal case
1162720;1434145501;ascii_field;mats: http://bellard.org/dvbt <<  can even transmit digital tv !
1162721;1434145502;assbot;Analog and Digital TV (DVB-T) Signal Generation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3I9u )
1162722;1434145504;ascii_field;with normal vga card.
1162723;1434145526;ascii_field;http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one
1162724;1434145527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3JtY )
1162725;1434145527;mats;i've not seen that before
1162726;1434145541;ascii_field;^ plays music
1162727;1434145581;trinque;http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great
1162728;1434145581;assbot;PC Engines case1c2u product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3S0x )
1162729;1434145593;ascii_field;aha, i have this.
1162730;1434145598;ascii_field;rock-solid box
1162731;1434145631;decimation;http://www.computerworld.com/article/2935554/it-careers/labor-dept-plans-h-1b-probe-one-that-could-have-an-impact.html
1162732;1434145633;assbot;Labor Dept. plans H-1B probe -- one that could have an impact | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTosuE )
1162733;1434145645;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162688 << it gets better. i have reports of an assortment of cards, including uber popular stuff like nvidia 520 series, getting 2-3 fps on eulora.
1162734;1434145645;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 21:38:55; jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora?
1162735;1434145657;mircea_popescu;with multiple versions of newest drivers etc.
1162736;1434145662;mircea_popescu;for reasons ???? nobody fucking knows.
1162737;1434145667;mircea_popescu;opengl something or other, for sure.
1162738;1434145674;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i can tell you now, why
1162739;1434145677;mircea_popescu;do
1162740;1434145692;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: microshit discourages functional opengl in gpu drivers
1162741;1434145698;mircea_popescu;so ?
1162742;1434145707;ascii_field;(they wish to have their 'directx' turd in universal, mandatory use)
1162743;1434145712;mircea_popescu;problem exists on fucking ubuntu apparently.
1162744;1434145712;ascii_field;so it pulls on the ropes.
1162745;1434145725;ascii_field;problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers.
1162746;1434145733;ascii_field;each is a proud servant of microshit.
1162747;1434145740;mircea_popescu;i dunno man, i get 60 fps constant on that thing.
1162748;1434145742;mircea_popescu;also nvidia card
1162749;1434145776;ascii_field;any common factors between the unhappy cards ?
1162750;1434145776;decimation;*nvidia recommends winblows for optimal experience
1162751;1434145780;mircea_popescu;anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
1162752;1434145797;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not that i could discern so far.
1162753;1434145829;mircea_popescu;but next s.mg report is going to contain list of functional gpus.
1162754;1434145836;mircea_popescu;which is exactly in line of what trinque was saying
1162755;1434145869;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162751 << that is precisely what you're experiencing, but the source is not public.
1162756;1434145869;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
1162757;1434145886;mircea_popescu;opengl is public.
1162758;1434145895;ascii_field;the back end.
1162759;1434145898;mircea_popescu;yes.
1162760;1434145903;ascii_field;where it turns into actual gpu instructions
1162761;1434145906;ascii_field;is not public.
1162762;1434145907;mircea_popescu;that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly.
1162763;1434145911;mircea_popescu;i don't give a shit about that
1162764;1434145923;mircea_popescu;im not here to fix anything
1162765;1434145926;mircea_popescu;i am here to burn things
1162766;1434145940;mircea_popescu;stirctly, strictly that. i don't aim to run a university, i aim to run a decimation service.
1162767;1434145962;ascii_field;burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~)
1162768;1434145984;mircea_popescu;for now i want the camel.
1162769;1434146006;ascii_field;which camel? the one who walks through the eye of a needle ?
1162770;1434146025;mircea_popescu;IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation
1162771;1434146030;ascii_field;ah
1162772;1434146083;decimation;reverse engineer driver
1162773;1434146100;ascii_field;decimation: that gets you ~one particular chip~
1162774;1434146105;ascii_field;see also the fpga threads.
1162775;1434146106;mircea_popescu;so far i'm waiting for someone with experience to go "oh! well of course!"
1162776;1434146115;mircea_popescu;"it alwas looks like this when X"
1162777;1434146231;decimation;the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low
1162778;1434146498;mircea_popescu;it happens across the board, not just ubuntu
1162779;1434146515;mircea_popescu;i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not
1162780;1434146542;ascii_field;does the thing use shader /
1162781;1434146543;ascii_field;?
1162782;1434146584;mircea_popescu;yea
1162783;1434146590;ascii_field;likely culprit
1162784;1434146594;mircea_popescu;and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking
1162785;1434146595;mircea_popescu;myeah
1162786;1434146650;punkman;http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/naacp-leader-rachel-dolezal-lied-black-parents-article-1.2255743
1162787;1434146652;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTqP0s )
1162788;1434146791;decimation;lol
1162789;1434146880;trinque;govt owes her state-funded skin pigment reassignment
1162790;1434146919;trinque;usistan, glorious empire of delusional narcissism
1162791;1434146921;shinohai;is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz  ?
1162792;1434146990;mats;ask your question, don't ask to ask
1162793;1434147066;shinohai;blocking nodes is inefficient, yes?
1162794;1434147307;trinque;INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER
1162795;1434147360;shinohai;my apologies, I am researching as well
1162796;1434147376;trinque;http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
1162797;1434147378;assbot;The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTspj0 )
1162798;1434147414;mircea_popescu;shinohai inefficient for what purpose ?
1162799;1434147428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3500 @ 0.00111 = 3.885 BTC
1162800;1434147434;danielpbarron;shinohai, see: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136
1162801;1434147434;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.
1162802;1434147439;shinohai;suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default
1162803;1434147496;shinohai;thiswould be better when i arrive home, irc on phone is terrible
1162804;1434147539;*;trinque wonders if pf could accomplish that
1162805;1434147577;trinque;shinohai: sounds like a patch to bitcoind
1162806;1434147605;shinohai;there are only a few hundred ip's if that
1162807;1434147664;shinohai;well, 123 http://xtnodes.com/
1162808;1434147665;assbot;XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLX7ee )
1162809;1434147759;mircea_popescu;shinohai nothing prevents you from ignoring any node. this is how people deal with hooligans, it's been a thing since forever.
1162810;1434147783;mircea_popescu;i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own.
1162811;1434147814;mircea_popescu;seeing how what version you run is a political choice more than a technological one, accepting dissent is -ev for your own affairs.
1162812;1434147848;mircea_popescu;it is, after all, a consensus mechanism, not a fucking science journal.
1162813;1434148082;shinohai;I'm good then. its running so meh
1162814;1434148137;trinque;ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
1162815;1434149136;scoopbot_revived;Eulora second event - Sunday, June 14th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-second-event-sunday-june-14th/
1162816;1434150092;jurov;only bandar toolkit is something that i can both make and have sense to have blessed
1162817;1434150112;mircea_popescu;wellthen.
1162818;1434150314;danielpbarron;i must be close to being able to make something useful. I've been scoring claims that yeild 100+ items
1162819;1434150354;jurov;danielpbarron: today?
1162820;1434150454;danielpbarron;yeah, last night and today
1162821;1434150455;jurov;yest everything i found was tiny
1162822;1434150478;danielpbarron;well.. "last night" .. "very very early this morning"
1162823;1434150479;mircea_popescu;!up Bob32442
1162824;1434150521;danielpbarron;the learning curv is very steep with eulora, to the point where it's a chore to get going with it. But once I had a few things figured out it is now becoming addictive
1162825;1434150813;jurov;danielpbarron: could say sooner the claims are there. i just logged in today and let it be.
1162826;1434150846;jurov;at least figured out cs supports python scripting
1162827;1434150856;Bob32442;hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed?
1162828;1434150888;jurov;Bob32442:  what cap? blocksize?
1162829;1434150893;jurov;go read trilema
1162830;1434150895;Bob32442;yeah
1162831;1434151000;Bob32442;so... wait, then why does anyone use bitcoin if they think that's going to happen?
1162832;1434151065;Bob32442;Maybe I should read the rest of it lol
1162833;1434151392;Bob32442;ah
1162834;1434152083;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron information-wise steep ?
1162835;1434152137;mircea_popescu;"anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit.
1162836;1434152140;mircea_popescu;this is pointedly untrue.
1162837;1434152157;mircea_popescu;people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education.
1162838;1434152168;mircea_popescu;who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc.
1162839;1434152515;mike_c;jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game?
1162840;1434152534;jurov;lol far from that
1162841;1434152539;mike_c;ah
1162842;1434152569;jurov;just found scripting support in cs and after some diddling, compiled and ran tutorial app
1162843;1434152593;jurov;seems that feature was left to rot
1162844;1434152619;mike_c;so the plan would be to modify client in someway that would then support python scripting
1162845;1434152633;mike_c;if interest held
1162846;1434152677;trinque;http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html
1162847;1434152678;assbot;Phys.Org Mobile: Chinese hackers got sensitive military files: report ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLdqbV )
1162848;1434152698;jurov;yes, if ~ then  i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too
1162849;1434152710;trinque;doesn't seem like they're amused by the "pivot"
1162850;1434154158;cazalla;oh boy this article is gonna be a good one
1162851;1434154308;mircea_popescu;mike_c it should be possible tho.
1162852;1434154327;mike_c;yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing
1162853;1434155026;mircea_popescu;anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect.
1162854;1434155041;mircea_popescu;minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own.
1162855;1434155135;mircea_popescu;cazalla which one ? :D
1162856;1434155150;cazalla;publishing it soon, just adding links
1162857;1434155161;mircea_popescu;cool
1162858;1434155449;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled'
1162859;1434155449;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html
1162860;1434155497;trinque;heh no kidding
1162861;1434155508;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162802 << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then)
1162862;1434155508;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 22:17:19; shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default
1162863;1434155565;cazalla;do ur thang scoopbot
1162864;1434155578;trinque;asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize"
1162865;1434155592;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162814 << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production
1162866;1434155592;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses
1162867;1434155593;trinque;the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago
1162868;1434155595;trinque;*ago
1162869;1434155603;scoopbot_revived;U.S. Treasury: Bitcoin Used In Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing http://qntra.net/2015/06/u-s-treasury-bitcoin-used-in-money-laundering-terrorist-financing/
1162870;1434155662;trinque;asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon
1162871;1434155825;asciilifeform;re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it
1162872;1434155865;asciilifeform;so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade
1162873;1434155890;asciilifeform;ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques.
1162874;1434155930;asciilifeform;i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ?
1162875;1434155937;asciilifeform;but not, e.g., kalashnikov ?
1162876;1434155976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup, they are very singlemindedly following their talking pointsa.
1162877;1434155986;asciilifeform;ditto for the idiots sending 'them' bitcoin
1162878;1434156001;asciilifeform;usg is laughing all the way to, well, their wallet.
1162879;1434156013;mircea_popescu;and yes hearn is a better political animal than gavin, but not more intelligent
1162880;1434156051;mircea_popescu;just, one admits to himself he's filth, the other does not.
1162881;1434156059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one.
1162882;1434156065;mircea_popescu;hypocrisy is always lower functioning.
1162883;1434156124;asciilifeform;it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air.
1162884;1434156132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps
1162885;1434156142;asciilifeform;it's a leper's bell, loud and clear
1162886;1434156154;mircea_popescu;recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ?
1162887;1434156169;asciilifeform;aha.
1162888;1434156179;asciilifeform;i read it as a mix of stupidity and desperation
1162889;1434156190;asciilifeform;(where is he supposed to get non-usg crypto that he can understand ?)
1162890;1434156191;mircea_popescu;it's all stupidity.
1162891;1434156213;mircea_popescu;it is meaningless to speak of a revolutionary's desperation.
1162892;1434156229;mircea_popescu;if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career.
1162893;1434156236;asciilifeform;what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ?
1162894;1434156241;mircea_popescu;if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone.
1162895;1434156247;mircea_popescu;that he's here makes the word meaningless
1162896;1434156275;mircea_popescu;dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver.
1162897;1434156288;mircea_popescu;what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ?
1162898;1434156328;asciilifeform;cabbie isn't usually same as 50 y.o. ex-signals corps fella
1162899;1434156337;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1162900;1434156349;asciilifeform;(no lack of the latter working as the former, sure)
1162901;1434156394;mircea_popescu;the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else.
1162902;1434156402;mircea_popescu;so they don't miss what they don't have.
1162903;1434156444;asciilifeform;but this is easily broken by some helpful fella giving then a bit of what they lack.
1162904;1434156462;mircea_popescu;no, it is not.
1162905;1434156472;mircea_popescu;because idiot's main concern is whether this makes the other guy better than him
1162906;1434156476;mircea_popescu;AS IF this can be in debate.
1162907;1434156477;asciilifeform;and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it
1162908;1434156488;mircea_popescu;they knew themselves to be idiots.
1162909;1434156490;mircea_popescu;arabs do not.
1162910;1434156493;asciilifeform;sometimes via multi-$mil elaborate s4mz0r1ngs
1162911;1434156505;asciilifeform;(see the japanese cnc mill case)
1162912;1434156541;asciilifeform;or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax
1162913;1434156558;mircea_popescu;was that ever published ?
1162914;1434156567;asciilifeform;in english? no idea
1162915;1434156579;mircea_popescu;in drawings lol
1162916;1434156581;mircea_popescu;names are names
1162917;1434156649;asciilifeform;http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all'
1162918;1434156653;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZwAn6 )
1162919;1434156667;asciilifeform;take, obviously, with a grain of liquid shit
1162920;1434156714;mircea_popescu;mmyeah
1162921;1434156725;asciilifeform;the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate
1162922;1434156734;asciilifeform;and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell.
1162923;1434156780;asciilifeform;(american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights)
1162924;1434156821;mircea_popescu;but not for very many
1162925;1434157186;mircea_popescu;in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale.
1162926;1434157193;mircea_popescu;and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves.
1162927;1434157202;mircea_popescu;anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took.
1162928;1434157208;mircea_popescu;even if the payment was, like all payments, false.
1162929;1434157239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: jp got paid in, iirc, gold.
1162930;1434157250;asciilifeform;ditto u.s. grain
1162931;1434157794;asciilifeform;p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: http://www.retro-pc.net/musei/dd/hdd/index_ru.htm (scroll to middle past the japanese unit)
1162932;1434157840;asciilifeform;(how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know)
1162933;1434157899;asciilifeform;the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now.
1162934;1434157911;asciilifeform;it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still.
1162935;1434157931;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies.
1162936;1434157932;assbot;Euergetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzdWc )
1162937;1434157951;mircea_popescu;what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ?
1162938;1434157965;mircea_popescu;derpyterpy something, four syllables ending in y ?
1162939;1434157979;mircea_popescu;piketty ty.
1162940;1434157992;*;asciilifeform missed this
1162941;1434158229;asciilifeform;!up referredbyloper
1162942;1434158233;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=622 << yours ?
1162943;1434158236;assbot;OLD-COMPUTERS.COM musem ~ IPTVT (Traian Vuia Polytechnical Institute) MicroTim ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzJ6l )
1162944;1434158257;asciilifeform;mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43)
1162945;1434158267;asciilifeform;under brand 'amic'
1162946;1434158276;mircea_popescu;- TIM-S: 6 Mhz mode, 80 KB RAM, 16 KB ROM <
1162947;1434158343;mircea_popescu;and amic iirc was not actually a z80
1162948;1434158348;mircea_popescu;it also sucked.
1162949;1434158404;asciilifeform;http://www.homecomputer.de/images/wanted/easteurope/aMIC.jpg << it ?
1162950;1434158405;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciWBg )
1162951;1434158461;mircea_popescu;well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items
1162952;1434158504;mircea_popescu;http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#amic < there
1162953;1434158505;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bcj8jS )
1162954;1434158588;asciilifeform;the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard
1162955;1434158610;asciilifeform;(the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen)
1162956;1434158619;mircea_popescu;the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard
1162957;1434158631;asciilifeform;not obvious from the photo
1162958;1434158648;mircea_popescu;they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so
1162959;1434158782;mircea_popescu;the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /-\ shaped keys caught, and so on.
1162960;1434158808;mircea_popescu;but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd
1162961;1434158843;asciilifeform;today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)
1162962;1434158857;mircea_popescu;(significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with)
1162963;1434158876;*;mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in
1162964;1434158897;asciilifeform;interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores
1162965;1434158910;asciilifeform;there is a kind of cargo cult appeal to the things
1162966;1434158925;mircea_popescu;they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams
1162967;1434158927;mircea_popescu;for hipster couples.
1162968;1434158931;asciilifeform;l0l
1162969;1434158938;mircea_popescu;they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963
1162970;1434158951;asciilifeform;what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable'
1162971;1434158969;mircea_popescu;she could be an anais nin of photography and he could be an henry miller of poetry
1162972;1434158969;asciilifeform;(fella i know just threw just such a keyboard out, after getting a proper 'm')
1162973;1434159015;mircea_popescu;nfi.
1162974;1434159017;mircea_popescu;it
1162975;1434159043;asciilifeform;https://rakanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/unicomp.jpg
1162976;1434159044;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZByjL )
1162977;1434159053;asciilifeform;^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings
1162978;1434159064;asciilifeform;lasts a few yrs.
1162979;1434159082;asciilifeform;iirc it omits the steel 'anvil' found in the genuine 'm'
1162980;1434159094;trinque;complete with speedometer
1162981;1434159095;asciilifeform;so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks
1162982;1434159217;*;asciilifeform likes his 'ibm m' and 'northgate' kbds but would eventually like something that doesn't throw rf around for fifty metres
1162983;1434159273;asciilifeform;culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards.
1162984;1434159282;mircea_popescu;http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/microtim.jpg << there
1162985;1434159283;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZC4yf )
1162986;1434159326;mircea_popescu;http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cip3.jpg << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho
1162987;1434159327;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCaGc )
1162988;1434159334;*;asciilifeform almost asked where the 'lat' key is, but then hit self on head
1162989;1434159406;mircea_popescu;lol
1162990;1434159423;mircea_popescu;http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jet2.jpg << also, repurposed phone chassis
1162991;1434159424;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCpRA )
1162992;1434159455;asciilifeform;would've been classy if they'd left the cradle in, to use as accoustic modem
1162993;1434159495;mircea_popescu;http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1352440858_screen.png << this one's for mike_c
1162994;1434159495;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCxRa )
1162995;1434159564;mircea_popescu;"Mai erau CIP-urile, pe care incarcai interpretorul BASIC de pe caseta, era nasol ca resetai si iti lua timp si incarcarea lui. In plus ii sareau tastele in permanenta, si pierdeai si arculetele de pix din ele, se rupeau piciorusele de plastic, era aiurea."
1162996;1434159589;mircea_popescu;"it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs "
1162997;1434159712;asciilifeform;l0l
1162998;1434159793;*;asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these.
1162999;1434159854;asciilifeform;http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/slaktarnp90/media/IBM%20model%20M%20och%20N2/Tangentersidan.jpg.html
1163000;1434159856;assbot;Från Sidan Photo by slaktarnp90 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1BclZtg )
1163001;1434160122;mike_c;mircea_popescu: that one isn't ringing a bell, but it looks fun :)
1163002;1434161640;danielpbarron;!up ben-of-the-casca
1163003;1434161647;ben-of-the-casca;ty!
1163004;1434161692;ben-of-the-casca;re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering
1163005;1434161721;ben-of-the-casca;looking forward to being able to /explore tho
1163006;1434161737;danielpbarron;i can sell you a stack of the item that gives you it :D
1163007;1434161767;ben-of-the-casca;how much and how many?
1163008;1434161797;danielpbarron;23 for 0.01 ?
1163009;1434161804;mod6;wat
1163010;1434161846;ben-of-the-casca;let me get further bored by looking for the last item
1163011;1434161858;ben-of-the-casca;unless mod6 just derps it over to me
1163012;1434161908;mod6;waddya need?
1163013;1434161929;danielpbarron;1 of them isn't much; you don't get good results until it's mostly maxed out
1163014;1434161943;ben-of-the-casca;not the rock, not the scratchings but that other thing
1163015;1434161947;ben-of-the-casca;dpb aha
1163016;1434161960;danielpbarron;for me it was the rock that i found last
1163017;1434161966;danielpbarron;and someone had to lead me to it
1163018;1434161987;mod6;oh those rocks
1163019;1434161996;ben-of-the-casca;the renderings so fucked in my machine
1163020;1434162008;mod6;i can give you one, i've only got 3.
1163021;1434162015;ben-of-the-casca;i can see markers and items - but theyre just black
1163022;1434162017;danielpbarron;my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet
1163023;1434162025;danielpbarron;that's just if it's night time
1163024;1434162035;ben-of-the-casca;OH
1163025;1434162038;ben-of-the-casca;well then
1163026;1434162038;mod6;dang
1163027;1434162062;mod6;im getting 15-16 fps on my core i5 internal graphics card.
1163028;1434162088;mod6;im the only guy in eulora right now
1163029;1434162125;mod6;everyone else is at the club, making it rain
1163030;1434162180;mod6;now if this kernel would just hurry up...
1163031;1434162478;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html < sucks for usg employees
1163032;1434162479;assbot; Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia1Kd0 )
1163033;1434162514;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162834 << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind
1163034;1434162514;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ?
1163035;1434162541;danielpbarron;i haven't played a game that's like this in a long while
1163036;1434162603;danielpbarron;it's annoying now, having to click so many times to do stuff, but I understand why each step is separate
1163037;1434162618;danielpbarron;in the future, someone can specialize each step of production
1163038;1434162692;danielpbarron;and I upvote the named keys idea
1163039;1434162770;danielpbarron;is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft?
1163040;1434162797;danielpbarron;for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default
1163041;1434162841;danielpbarron;and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts
1163042;1434163373;decimation;usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets
1163043;1434163652;cazalla;http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australian-houses-are-just-glorified-tents-in-winter-20150610-ghj2ox TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for
1163044;1434163655;assbot;Australian houses are just glorified tents in winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia3936 )
1163045;1434163688;decimation;cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes
1163046;1434163779;cazalla;decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw
1163047;1434163787;decimation;heh
1163048;1434163834;decimation;where does all this money come from?  is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?
1163049;1434163893;cazalla;low interest rates, deposits are given to kids from boomers, chinese investment and truckloads of negative gearing ensuring people have 4-5 investment properties
1163050;1434164021;decimation;people have to have income to qualify for loans
1163051;1434164027;decimation;does everyone get paid $200k?
1163052;1434164104;cazalla;nah you don't need 200k salary, you can borrow a million on like 50k
1163053;1434164174;decimation;heh
1163054;1434164198;decimation;they've clamped down on lending in the us
1163055;1434164215;decimation;you can't get a loan unless you have %20 and good credit
1163056;1434164240;decimation;at least, not a good interest rate
1163057;1434164320;cazalla;quick look then shows working couple who earn 50k each can borrow almost 700k
1163058;1434164327;cazalla;over 30 years
1163059;1434164348;decimation;wouldn't such a couple then be poor if they took such a 'deal'?
1163060;1434164352;decimation;debt-slaves?
1163061;1434164358;cazalla;mind you, that is pre-tax salary
1163062;1434164449;cazalla;decimation, yeah most people are slaves.. 30 years ago it was possible for the average sole income working father, stay at home mum to buy a 1/4 acre block in the suburbs and raise 2-3 kids
1163063;1434164490;cazalla;today you need both parents working full time with no kids or if you have kids, 1 or 2 at most put into childcare so the mother can pay half her wage for someone else to look after her kids while her other half goes on the mortgage
1163064;1434164508;decimation;yeah that's how it is in most of the us today too
1163065;1434164527;decimation;there's no fixed supply of dollars, so more people working just means more cost
1163066;1434164528;cazalla;i don't even know why they do it tbh
1163067;1434164536;decimation;well, now everyone is screwed
1163068;1434164576;decimation;in the us the effect is worsened by the fact that near most major us cities you need to have dual incomes to 'earn' a spot in a decent school
1163069;1434164590;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161917 << not bad btw
1163070;1434164590;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 14:48:00; danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I
1163071;1434164722;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163037 << ayup
1163072;1434164722;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 02:30:18; danielpbarron: in the future, someone can specialize each step of production
1163073;1434164726;cazalla;decimation, here it is almost like every generation has to work twice as much for half of what their parents had
1163074;1434164727;decimation;cazalla: I guess the most rational response would be to coordinate groups of people to move away from the dense cities and start new living areas
1163075;1434164746;danielpbarron;speaking of which, is the leaky treebark flask design supposed to be blank?
1163076;1434164759;cazalla;decimation, ah but there is no work in rural australia and if you are on welfare and move from an area of high employment to one of high unemployment, you get cut off
1163077;1434164780;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163048 << the chinese
1163078;1434164780;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 02:50:34; decimation: where does all this money come from?  is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?
1163079;1434164784;mircea_popescu;they have literally infinite USD
1163080;1434164795;cazalla;decimation, so to go rural, you need enough money to own it upfront and enough to last you for however long you may live
1163081;1434164809;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron nope. it's supposed to have been fixed like three revisions ago o.O
1163082;1434164827;cazalla;decimation, and rural.. as in the middle of nowhere, you are still paying more (100k-200k) than american suburbs
1163083;1434164835;decimation;cazalla: yeah I guess my point is that they could start a new city there
1163084;1434164844;decimation;but it sounds like that's already been priced out
1163085;1434164856;decimation;why some wasteland in australia is worth $100k...
1163086;1434164881;decimation;even good farmland in iowa goes for $5k an acre
1163087;1434164925;cazalla;you can go cheaper - abandoned mining towns - but then you have to deal with fucked up water and environment
1163088;1434164933;cazalla;might set you back 50k for that
1163089;1434164974;decimation;yeah I agree with mircea, it sounds to me that the chinese have bid australia to the moon
1163090;1434165026;cazalla;yeah, they can buy citizenship here too for 5 million so those clever chinese were giving the AU gov 5 million, borrowing the 5 million back from some chinese lender and then using that to buy 5 million in property once they got here
1163091;1434165105;cazalla;i'd like to think it will end soon as i don't see how people can be squeezed any further at this point but asciilifeform reminded me that there is still much fat left to be trimmed
1163092;1434165185;cazalla;fwiw, missus and i have no rent or mortgage and it is still hard
1163093;1434165202;cazalla;so i imagine those people with mortgages will soon eat chum (dog food) if they are not already
1163094;1434165305;decimation;yeah if they aren't already
1163095;1434165358;cazalla;i mean, kid my age who lived on my street regularly ate his cat's cat food
1163096;1434165497;mod6;omg and we have grub that works...
1163097;1434165565;decimation;you can live on rice and beans pretty cheap
1163098;1434165588;mod6;trinque's script & help got this pos up and running on gentoo hardened w/uclibc finally.
1163099;1434165601;mod6;i had a problem with my disk paritions
1163100;1434165605;cazalla;decimation, aussies like their meat, pet food or not
1163101;1434165611;*;mod6 straps on a napkin and eats a sack of dead crows
1163102;1434165623;decimation;better start hunting 'roos
1163103;1434165635;decimation;or dingos :)
1163104;1434165788;cazalla;birds might be easier tbh plus the abo word for budgerigar is good eating
1163105;1434165814;cazalla;with no guns, having to spear or tackle a roo could get you killed, fucking things kick
1163106;1434165887;decimation;heh oh yeah I forgot they took yer guns too
1163107;1434165906;mircea_popescu;no guns in australia ? lmao
1163108;1434165911;mircea_popescu;twerps, seriously.
1163109;1434165960;decimation;mircea_popescu: how do you think they will be described by chinese historians 1000 years from now?
1163110;1434165969;mircea_popescu;"aboriginals"
1163111;1434165973;decimation;lolz
1163112;1434165977;cazalla;yeah, bow and arrow ban in the pipeline too
1163113;1434165981;mircea_popescu;same thing we called the papuans or w/e
1163114;1434166323;cazalla;meh, they aren't really any abos left anyway, they are all half bloods at best
1163115;1434166385;decimation;no, I think mircea meant the people who are willing to trade hard assets to the chinese in exchange for paper and promises
1163116;1434166391;cazalla;but even if you're 1/8 abo, you can claim extra assistance from the government, so according to the census there are more abos than ever before
1163117;1434166441;cazalla;yeah stupid thing that
1163118;1434166456;decimation;the natives have the same racket here, and also in canada
1163119;1434166616;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << empty hopper, will refill tomorrow. anyone who wants to get phuctored in short order, plz now.
1163120;1434166684;decimation;asciilifeform: interesting the 'me.com' and 'mac.com'
1163121;1434166685;asciilifeform;and yes, ~500MB product.
1163122;1434166718;asciilifeform;(decimal, if feeling nitpicky)
1163123;1434166770;asciilifeform;unrelated:
1163124;1434166776;asciilifeform;http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ?
1163125;1434166820;asciilifeform;^ apparently 'ibm model m' was itself a cheapening of a previous ancestral tech
1163126;1434166857;decimation;asciilifeform: you ever heard of a 'model f'
1163127;1434166866;decimation;aha it talks about them
1163128;1434166870;asciilifeform;decimation: got one
1163129;1434166877;asciilifeform;decimation: but not a modernized controller for it
1163130;1434166883;asciilifeform;(the one it shipped with did not emit 'break' codes)
1163131;1434166903;asciilifeform;the linked www is about an earlier-still keyboard, which used capacitance-based switches
1163132;1434166905;decimation;asciilifeform: this guy sells controllers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-IBM-4704-Banking-System-Keyboard-TESTED-107-Key-Model-F-6020218-/281689692136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41960397e8
1163133;1434166907;assbot; Original IBM 4704 Banking System Keyboard Tested 107 Key Model F 6020218 | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lly7 )
1163134;1434166907;asciilifeform;theoretically - eternal
1163135;1434166915;asciilifeform;and (this is not stated, but i hypothesize) rf-quiet
1163136;1434166941;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't want a usb controller...
1163137;1434166955;decimation;heh I suspected no
1163138;1434167129;decimation;still you could use his mod as a starting point
1163139;1434167154;asciilifeform;ars longa vita brevis (tm) (r)
1163140;1434167185;asciilifeform;http://deskthority.net/wiki/Beam_spring << more
1163141;1434167187;assbot;Beam spring - Deskthority wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4lPUU )
1163142;1434167193;decimation;at any rate I like that keyboard for sale, lots of reassignable keys
1163143;1434167218;decimation;also model f keyboards were full "nkro"
1163144;1434167228;decimation;that might affect rf quietness
1163145;1434167232;*;asciilifeform never had problems with rollover
1163146;1434167251;decimation;yeah it really only matters for gamers who wann mash 5 keys at once
1163147;1434167314;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Huge-IBM-5251-Mechanical-Beam-Spring-Keyboard-CLICKY-Display-Terminal-UK-/151686841869 << exists also on ebay. looks quite like the older of my two lispm keyboards (which did not click)
1163148;1434167316;assbot; Vintage Huge IBM 5251 Mechanical Beam Spring Keyboard Clicky Display Terminal UK | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcBvp8 )
1163149;1434167350;decimation;heh.  I wonder if that's a serial output
1163150;1434167394;asciilifeform;all keyboards have 'serial' output, one way or another
1163151;1434167420;asciilifeform;but afaik none spoke traditional rs232. would've involved too much active logic.
1163152;1434167467;decimation;yeah
1163153;1434167483;decimation;the 'model f' I linked appears to have 'meta' key
1163154;1434167740;asciilifeform;decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png << typical keyboard of the period. reversed (laboriously) by yours truly.
1163155;1434167741;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BcCBkw )
1163156;1434167787;decimation;asciilifeform: did you get it to work as 'ps/2'?
1163157;1434167798;asciilifeform;decimation: no, but some german fella got it as usb.
1163158;1434167802;asciilifeform;based on this sketch
1163159;1434167818;asciilifeform;i had it as a parallel port widget for a while.
1163160;1434167832;decimation;heh
1163161;1434167839;decimation;has 'meta, super' keys?
1163162;1434169497;asciilifeform;decimation: http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics2.jpg << old-style bottom; top - 'new'
1163163;1434169499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6tG7z )
1163164;1434169516;asciilifeform;(i have both)
1163165;1434173865;cazalla;looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
1163166;1434173866;assbot;Memo to Ethereum Foundation Council: impudence begins with calling your investors “donors� | StandardCrypto ... ( http://bit.ly/1eau47L )
1163167;1434175744;punkman;!up Vexual
1163168;1434175778;Vexual;thanks, whats that for?
1163169;1434175935;Vexual;fluffypony: you should see the roo aside the road that flexes as though it might jump
1163170;1434176225;Vexual;trollish fuckers would surely time a bound to land on one or your lions heads mario style
1163171;1434176423;Vexual;you're not playing mp's doom wad punkman?
1163172;1434176520;Vexual;eulora
1163173;1434176617;punkman;I tried it
1163174;1434176626;Vexual;any good?
1163175;1434176637;punkman;if you like beta testing
1163176;1434176676;Vexual;hey if i can build it i will come
1163177;1434176774;punkman;there are binaries built already, you'll need to gpg for an account though
1163178;1434176785;Vexual;what have you been doing?
1163179;1434176811;Vexual;yes yes, a different affair from 12 months ago where i attempted to build
1163180;1434176904;Vexual;it definately want ready then
1163181;1434176965;Vexual;its a 3rd person 3d thing huh?
1163182;1434176981;punkman;ye
1163183;1434177141;Vexual;will it rift?
1163184;1434177205;Vexual;ie is it low on bullshit lightning etc
1163185;1434177407;Vexual;in any case it seems like many folks will wanna focus on it
1163186;1434177474;Vexual;i heard about screenshots, but now that the logs are a 4 drink minimum, i missed em
1163187;1434177989;punkman;!up Vexual
1163188;1434178183;punkman;what's rift?
1163189;1434178204;Vexual;the r headset thing
1163190;1434178212;Vexual;*vr
1163191;1434178235;Vexual;sold to facebook and microsoft
1163192;1434178353;punkman;well everyone would want to use a headset looking under women's skirts
1163193;1434178362;punkman;but probably not happening
1163194;1434178398;Vexual;theres a jap demo for that
1163195;1434178454;punkman;https://umbragame.com/about-the-game/
1163196;1434178456;assbot;The Game | Umbra ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQR829 )
1163197;1434178477;punkman;gotta say the CryEngine looks nice
1163198;1434178516;Vexual;i thought u were all cga
1163199;1434178580;punkman;Eulora would work nice as a MUD
1163200;1434178599;Vexual;whats the difference?
1163201;1434178672;punkman;can't fit much in 320 pixels
1163202;1434178678;Vexual;gotta pay someone to move around with text based advice?
1163203;1434178736;Vexual;well mp did say new clients are welcomed
1163204;1434178765;Vexual;play it on ur audi dash
1163205;1434178783;Vexual;just dont confuse the maps
1163206;1434179079;punkman;http://www.nber.org/papers/w15884
1163207;1434179081;assbot;The Shanxi Banks ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQauuv )
1163208;1434179158;Vexual;shit, ive heard the name, i never knew they fancied themselves as bankers
1163209;1434179232;Vexual;do the girls dress fancy?
1163210;1434179448;Vexual;prolly not
1163211;1434179561;Vexual;i dont remeber a shanxigirl in nanjing
1163212;1434179591;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8JnfbpHQ4k
1163213;1434179592;assbot;Road To Shaanxi - Revelation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQb9fx )
1163214;1434180684;punkman;!up Vexual
1163215;1434187119;cazalla;https://i.imgur.com/QxXHbsS.jpg
1163216;1434187120;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxRWgg )
1163217;1434192621;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156223 < you can have that done by a 'pro' for a few bucks btw. totally worth it if your time has any value.
1163218;1434192621;assbot;Logged on 06-06-2015 18:55:43; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m)
1163219;1434202517;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 < many lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/39mhko/does_eth_intend_to_release_financial_statements/cs4u4im
1163220;1434202517;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
1163221;1434202518;assbot;xcthulhu comments on Does eth intend to release financial statements, investor relations reports, etc.? ... ( http://bit.ly/1cSrsdj )
1163222;1434202545;asciilifeform;l0l!
1163223;1434202552;asciilifeform;it was alive ?!
1163224;1434203024;kakobrekla;> folks keep trying to offer me mining gigs in exotic places < lol, yeah i also can get a job as a diaper changer in a local nursery
1163225;1434205598;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: key pump is back on, using somewhat faster proggy
1163226;1434205606;mircea_popescu;cool!
1163227;1434205640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently rewrite using something other than sqlite seems inevitable. db is getting abominably slow.
1163228;1434205665;mircea_popescu;heh
1163229;1434205679;mircea_popescu;any idea what causes it ? the lengthy P ?
1163230;1434205683;asciilifeform;nah
1163231;1434205687;asciilifeform;it doesn't live in db
1163232;1434205697;asciilifeform;just the overall size of the data set
1163233;1434205922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1B9S7EG.txt
1163234;1434205923;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvezIz )
1163235;1434205960;kakobrekla;whats the current size of sqlite db?
1163236;1434205960;mircea_popescu;is sql that bad that data set size chokes it ?!
1163237;1434205985;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: ~3.5G
1163238;1434206017;kakobrekla;heh, put it to ram + snapshoots ?
1163239;1434206029;asciilifeform;though i'm seeing conflicting info re: optimal size for these
1163240;1434206058;mircea_popescu;how much ram would it eat, any idea /
1163241;1434206075;kakobrekla;~3.5G
1163242;1434206076;kakobrekla;:D
1163243;1434206143;kakobrekla;or dunno, dance with the devil and take the ssd :)
1163244;1434206165;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: it's on a box mircea_popescu supplied, subcontracted from some orc
1163245;1434206184;asciilifeform;overall pretty decent one
1163246;1434206187;asciilifeform;but, afaik, no ssd
1163247;1434206219;kakobrekla;lucky box isnt welded shut
1163248;1434206233;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja eat the 24g or whatever it had for teh maths ? or can spare the 4g ?
1163249;1434206262;asciilifeform;good deal of free mem
1163250;1434206274;asciilifeform;but doing just about any of this would blow up the complexity of the thing 50x.
1163251;1434206291;asciilifeform;will have to think
1163252;1434206355;mircea_popescu;just set the db to ram, it has a switch
1163253;1434206392;asciilifeform;this would work if i didn't have separate unix processes using it simultaneously.
1163254;1434206414;asciilifeform;phuctor is really a severe abuse of 'sqlite'
1163255;1434206510;asciilifeform;'all database connections sharing the in-memory database need to be in the same process.' << from docs.
1163256;1434206519;asciilifeform;(and pretty obvious)
1163257;1434206537;mircea_popescu;heh myeah.
1163258;1434206581;asciilifeform;'ten pounds of shit in a two-pound bag' (tm) (r)
1163259;1434206592;mircea_popescu;i don't think the bag makers can be blamed for this one
1163260;1434206612;*;asciilifeform didn't blame the bag-makers
1163261;1434206621;*;asciilifeform will have to stitch a new bag
1163262;1434206626;kakobrekla;would moving the file to ramdisk make a diff?
1163263;1434206639;kakobrekla;and using non in-memory db
1163264;1434206644;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: doubtful. kernel is already caching disk
1163265;1434206655;asciilifeform;plus i'd have to persist the thing -somehow-
1163266;1434206658;mircea_popescu;does it cache it enough tho
1163267;1434206683;asciilifeform;ipso facto not enough
1163268;1434206690;mircea_popescu;so then does it have a knob
1163269;1434206730;mircea_popescu;$ sudo sig-cache-more-plox kernel
1163270;1434206769;mircea_popescu;you know templeos is only a step in that direction, i'd like to see unix skinned by valley girls, upper east side hipsters, mexicans, etc.
1163271;1434206781;asciilifeform;there are knobs but, iirc, turning them risks data loss.
1163272;1434206792;mircea_popescu;$ like totally what's even here ?
1163273;1434206816;asciilifeform;templeos isn't a unix
1163274;1434206824;mircea_popescu;i didn't say it was!
1163275;1434206835;asciilifeform;not sure what 'skinned' is then
1163276;1434206839;mircea_popescu;not more than you blamed the bag makers, at any rate
1163277;1434206900;asciilifeform;lol
1163278;1434206913;mircea_popescu;hehe
1163279;1434207016;asciilifeform;http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << good intro to subject
1163280;1434208862;asciilifeform;in other news, there are giant wasps living in one of my walls.
1163281;1434208879;mircea_popescu;spiders and all ?
1163282;1434208899;asciilifeform;no idea what others. but the wasps are audible.
1163283;1434208942;asciilifeform;^ this is a known problem in this part of the world. once there was even a colony infesting side mirror of my brother's car. it was actually nifty, he could pull the mirror adjustment joystick and release swarm at passing cyclists
1163284;1434209187;mircea_popescu;lmao
1163285;1434209206;mircea_popescu;i'd like a brother like that.
1163286;1434209229;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu has sister ?
1163287;1434209243;mircea_popescu;i do.
1163288;1434209252;mircea_popescu;she just got married, actually.
1163289;1434209277;asciilifeform;anything notable about the marriage ?
1163290;1434209339;mircea_popescu;nope
1163291;1434209405;*;asciilifeform wonders what lives in BingoBoingo's mega-car
1163292;1434209421;asciilifeform;or pete_dushenski's
1163293;1434209438;mircea_popescu;ah, that's easy. dead hookers.
1163294;1434209527;asciilifeform;every car owner knows of animals 'preyed on' by the machines, but not always about the... revenge. there are beasts here, for instance (iirc groundhogs) which will chew through brake lines and coolant hoses
1163295;1434209557;asciilifeform;like the famous rats of stalingrad, which chewed through delicious electrical cables, taking out tank turret rotators
1163296;1434209623;asciilifeform;(by some accounts, only one side had 'tasty' cable insulation. but -which- side - varies)
1163297;1434209719;mircea_popescu;heh
1163298;1434210749;menahem;hey mircea_popescu, what is your backup plan? in the event someone like the USG ..tries.. to pwn you?  mpex, coins, etc?
1163299;1434210780;mircea_popescu;oh, in the event it ~tries~ ?
1163300;1434210786;mircea_popescu;blog about it. haven't you noticed ?
1163301;1434210815;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/TLvwKz1.png << mysterious object i saw in a movie. wonder if mircea_popescu can identify.
1163302;1434210816;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPLVwl )
1163303;1434210838;asciilifeform;'tineye' finds nothing, 'google images' finds toilets
1163304;1434210992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00038517 = 1.9259 BTC [+]
1163305;1434211026;mircea_popescu;something photographed with a potato ?
1163306;1434211044;asciilifeform;mno
1163307;1434211068;mircea_popescu;cunt massager ?
1163308;1434211079;mats;s.mpoe sleeps
1163309;1434211085;asciilifeform;object sorta resembled the hypothetical device from old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896738
1163310;1434211085;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2014 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.
1163311;1434211102;mircea_popescu;why do you suspect that ?
1163312;1434211107;menahem;ya, I have.  mostly I guess in the event of physical illness.. an heir of sorts ?
1163313;1434211119;mircea_popescu;i'm not even 40.
1163314;1434211163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only suspected from the geometry. it's more or less exactly like i imagined it would look like.
1163315;1434211166;mircea_popescu;and i intend to withdraw long before advanced age makes the crown too heavy to carry. i have a fucking life to live outside of public service.
1163316;1434211184;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah because the receptacle appears rigid. girls pee at many angles.
1163317;1434211190;menahem;lol
1163318;1434211203;menahem;sznipers, chemical concoctions, etc.
1163319;1434211222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not, i once read a (ru) ph.d. dissertation on this subject.
1163320;1434211251;asciilifeform;(re: anatomical variations and consequences thereof. based on thousands of hours of 'wild' pr0n from various nations)
1163321;1434211260;mircea_popescu;menahem what you don't likely know is that i lived a decade and change of my life previously also with people tastiung my food etc.
1163322;1434211273;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems reasonable >D
1163323;1434211329;menahem;in other words, you've mentally hard wired protections for yourself ?
1163324;1434211349;mats;lol
1163325;1434211378;mircea_popescu;in any case, how did that quote go, "i bequeath
1163326;1434211427;mircea_popescu;bequeath “my sword to him that shall succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it.”
1163327;1434211505;asciilifeform;convo with pet: 'her: why have you not opened mircea_popescu's champagne? me: it is for victory. her: and if you are defeated: me: enemy can drink it then'
1163328;1434211517;kakobrekla;lol
1163329;1434211532;kakobrekla;!b 2
1163330;1434211532;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38D9CX6.txt )
1163331;1434211535;mircea_popescu;eh you should drink it. for one thing, there's more for victory, and for another bottled champagne doens't keep forever.
1163332;1434211537;kakobrekla;ill remove my line, dun worry.
1163333;1434211557;asciilifeform;gotta go to victory soon, then, eh
1163334;1434211572;kakobrekla;how long does the bottle last anyway?
1163335;1434211577;mircea_popescu;a few years
1163336;1434211583;menahem;it's well on its way, from what i gather.
1163337;1434211585;mircea_popescu;it becomes more and more sec as the time goes by
1163338;1434211745;kakobrekla;so the SEC will get sec wine, no problemos.
1163339;1434211831;mircea_popescu;if they don't mind it yellow.
1163340;1434211896;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/channel-6/DiamondMaria enjoy bros :p
1163341;1434211897;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4FUoZ )
1163342;1434211902;Naphex;still fixing shitload of ui javascript issuess
1163343;1434211906;Naphex;but there we go
1163344;1434211921;fluffypony;Naphex: saw it announced on Reddit, well done
1163345;1434211957;Naphex;fluffypony: thanks man
1163346;1434211979;*;mircea_popescu fires up a normal browser
1163347;1434211989;fluffypony;ZOMG IT DOESN'T WORK IN LYNX
1163348;1434211991;fluffypony;:-
1163349;1434211992;fluffypony;p
1163350;1434211993;fluffypony;ffs.
1163351;1434211993;Naphex;mircea_popescu: javascript and flash required so fire up the lowly ones:P
1163352;1434212013;fluffypony;for that sort of thing it is nice that Chrome has Flash baked in
1163353;1434212028;mircea_popescu;fluffypony do not hate me because i am lithe!
1163354;1434212070;fluffypony;but how will you browse without JavaScript animationzzzzz
1163355;1434212087;Naphex;fluffypony: no idea :))
1163356;1434212092;Naphex;so much to debug in angularjs
1163357;1434212106;fluffypony;I have a love/hate relationship with Angular
1163358;1434212111;fluffypony;it does so much that is awesome
1163359;1434212119;fluffypony;but then...you know...JavaScript
1163360;1434212126;Naphex;oh man... javascript
1163361;1434212136;fluffypony;most depressing language
1163362;1434212220;mircea_popescu;Naphex well everything loads but no video plays, dunno if there was supposed to play anything
1163363;1434212223;mircea_popescu;nice clean look tho
1163364;1434212240;Naphex;mircea_popescu: the first link went in pause try the browse channel
1163365;1434212242;Naphex;mircea_popescu: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-19/Sonia
1163366;1434212242;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPNPNy )
1163367;1434212251;mircea_popescu;ah kk
1163368;1434212264;Naphex;mircea_popescu: a lot more to clean up and annoying js bugs around but yeha went fine:D
1163369;1434212339;mircea_popescu;well browse's broken on this browser, no doubt on account of it being prolly too old. anyway.
1163370;1434212360;Naphex;mircea_popescu: try chrome, only tested in chrome atm
1163371;1434212363;Naphex;firefox blows up
1163372;1434212375;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron bingoboingo an' any other b-a single gentlemen - if you want to try this out ima give you a bitcent to tip the chciks and then you can pester naphex with how broken it is. dump addies.
1163373;1434212782;danielpbarron;unsafe:bitcoin:1FuKNdUgR1ytXnVNAiXCYS7whP99e2vj43?label=XotikaTV
1163374;1434212822;danielpbarron;https://medium.com/bitcoin-think/the-bitcoin-gauntlet-e9e721297aca << starts off with a link and quote from trilema
1163375;1434212823;assbot;The Bitcoin Gauntlet — Bitcoin Think — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPOCxN )
1163376;1434212823;scoopbot_revived;The Birdcage http://trilema.com/2015/the-birdcage/
1163377;1434212911;Naphex;btw, i'm hiring angular/javascript coders for the frontend. if anyone interested shoot me a /m \
1163378;1434212931;Naphex;payments in bitcoin, ofc
1163379;1434213193;danielpbarron;>> Ultimately this is yet another reason why Bitcoin is not money; it is something that is collectively controlled by consensus, unlike money which is accepted by consensus. In any new definition of money there should be a clause saying that its nature is independent of anyone's opinion or act.
1163380;1434213220;mircea_popescu;heh
1163381;1434213225;mircea_popescu;bring back plato
1163382;1434213226;mxtm;lol
1163383;1434213229;mxtm;that's hilarious
1163384;1434213234;mircea_popescu;somebody didn't go to school.
1163385;1434213408;mircea_popescu;Essentially, “Megablock Bitcoin” will be exactly like the Apple App Store. <<< mmmm yeah.
1163386;1434213542;mircea_popescu;anyway, guy gets it.
1163387;1434213738;danielpbarron;https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/what-is-bitcoin-s-value-proposition-b7309be442e3 << this guy also gets it
1163388;1434213759;danielpbarron;>> This is in large part due to a nostalgia for the Bitcoin of the past. As Bitcoin grows, we cannot guarantee which parts of the accidental benefits will still be present. However, the fundamental properties must remain. Without it, Bitcoin offers nothing that isn't already offered.
1163389;1434213839;mircea_popescu;cool.
1163390;1434214057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: footnote 2 is a winner
1163391;1434214068;mircea_popescu;aha
1163392;1434214092;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922121 << related
1163393;1434214092;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest?
1163394;1434214103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00038168 = 1.3397 BTC [-]
1163395;1434214318;mircea_popescu;exactly that.
1163396;1434214340;mircea_popescu;to be perfectly fair, in the same session i also explained my view on cheating on university examinations,
1163397;1434214389;mircea_popescu;specifically that it is not merely cheating to be given in advance the questions which will constitute the exam (which, to my undying amazement, i found out is by now actually standard practice in the us), but even to be given any sort of selected reading material that contains a larger density of answers than the average for the entire world text.
1163398;1434214419;mircea_popescu;usually known as "course material", ie, "these few pageswhich if you read, you should be able to answer anything"
1163399;1434214423;mircea_popescu;fuck that stupid shit. go read.
1163400;1434214523;asciilifeform;sorta reminds me of how i, as a boy, saw a brass band, and asked my father why they don't simply connect a compressor to the tuba and avoid the strain. and answered 'from this, just one step to dispensing with the tubist entirely'. and hence just the same here, from this just one small step to asking 'why even do this university thing'
1163401;1434214583;mircea_popescu;no.
1163402;1434214596;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2014#729349 << obligatory mark tarver thread
1163403;1434214596;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2014 00:11:01; mircea_popescu: After seven years of the new regime, I had the opportunity to compare the class of 1999 with the class of 1992. In 1992 I set an course in Artificial Intelligence requiring students to solve six exercises, including building a Prolog interpreter. In 1999, six exercises had shrunk to one; which was a 12 line Prolog program for which eight weeks were allotted for students to write it.  A special class 
1163404;1434214612;mircea_popescu;university is important because the close physical proximity is a requisite for fucking in retards, and students are yet retarded
1163405;1434214644;asciilifeform;thought that's what grade school was for
1163406;1434214695;mircea_popescu;do you mean grad school or pre-highschool ?
1163407;1434214701;asciilifeform;(2)
1163408;1434214711;mircea_popescu;i doubt 14yo boys are sexually mature enough really.
1163409;1434214744;asciilifeform;'fucking in' << interesting term
1163410;1434214864;asciilifeform;who gets 'fucked in' at university, and how ?
1163411;1434215201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00038168 = 8.126 BTC [-]
1163412;1434215262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63637 @ 0.00038119 = 24.2578 BTC [-] {2} 
1163413;1434215289;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, "fucking in retards", like "reproduction in mammals"
1163414;1434215302;mircea_popescu;<behaviour> in <group>
1163415;1434215337;asciilifeform;ah
1163416;1434215368;asciilifeform;the non-retarded can fuck over telegraph ?
1163417;1434215384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4077 @ 0.00038384 = 1.5649 BTC [+]
1163418;1434215448;mircea_popescu;well think, they can afford to fly.
1163419;1434215606;mircea_popescu;but that said, the wot model does dispense with most of the previous advantages of university
1163420;1434215630;mircea_popescu;so no, i don't see any sort of future for that model, which is EXACTLY why i pointed out to tim whatshisname that either he gets with the program or he goes live in the sewer.
1163421;1434215681;asciilifeform;uni is really two (conflicting) beasts in one
1163422;1434215719;asciilifeform;the adult camp, where various (presently, usg-ized to the point of utter inefficacy) folks play with electron microscope, etc
1163423;1434215723;asciilifeform;and the kidz camp
1163424;1434215772;asciilifeform;we don't actually have a replacement for the former, to pick off the shelf and screw in.
1163425;1434215786;mircea_popescu;yes, we do. ideally you should have sharing.
1163426;1434215810;mircea_popescu;like, you knock off to decimation and two friends over gossipd "can you ploxpoint your microtelescope at the x y z and send me the dump ?"
1163427;1434215820;mircea_popescu;and they do it or not and there you go.
1163428;1434215825;asciilifeform;aha but this requires a chum with access.
1163429;1434215844;asciilifeform;this is how it is done today. and the chum 100% works in academitardia.
1163430;1434215854;asciilifeform;(or he doesn't, and no microscope)
1163431;1434215893;asciilifeform;see how it worked for schwartz
1163432;1434215904;asciilifeform;he just wanted to borrow one piddling little torsion balance, aha.
1163433;1434215963;mircea_popescu;he had no wot.
1163434;1434215988;asciilifeform;this is not a defense of the 'old model', but merely pointing out that 1) it is dead, yes 2) we have no replacement for it, not even in the sense that a horse can replace a broken-down motorcycle
1163435;1434216010;asciilifeform;we mostly have a broken motorbike and making 'zoom, zoom' sounds
1163436;1434216116;mircea_popescu;so if i want a 3d printed item, which university i call ?
1163437;1434216123;asciilifeform;bad example
1163438;1434216126;mircea_popescu;you will notice that the capital base of the oldmodel is dying into irreelvancy
1163439;1434216129;asciilifeform;'printer' costs less than laptop
1163440;1434216131;mircea_popescu;no, it's a great example, for this reason.
1163441;1434216144;asciilifeform;there is ~no~ 'common man's' electron microscope
1163442;1434216150;asciilifeform;nor, for fundamental physical reasons, is there likely to be
1163443;1434216166;mircea_popescu;the middle of electron microscopes is thinning out.
1163444;1434216167;asciilifeform;hence why i use this item as example
1163445;1434216181;mircea_popescu;research either happens on 500 dollar 3d printers, or else on 500 trillion hadron colliders
1163446;1434216192;mircea_popescu;thgere's going to be one of the latter and an infinity of the former.
1163447;1434216198;mircea_popescu;and there's likely going ot be 0 of the middle.
1163448;1434216236;asciilifeform;most practical work in experimental-anything actually happens on the 'middle' (as in, 'more than a car, less than a house' (tm) machinery)
1163449;1434216247;mircea_popescu;yet.
1163450;1434216256;mircea_popescu;most by headcount, least by value anyway
1163451;1434216305;asciilifeform;better example of 'middle'. my local uni has a 1980s-style ic fab. just sitting there.
1163452;1434216311;mircea_popescu;this is kind-of why it's so damned important we start making right things
1163453;1434216316;asciilifeform;it isn't a '500 trillion collider' but definitely more than '500 printer'
1163454;1434216317;mircea_popescu;it is perhaps the last diamond train to do so.
1163455;1434216319;mircea_popescu;last one.
1163456;1434216403;asciilifeform;?
1163457;1434216446;mircea_popescu;if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.
1163458;1434216453;mircea_popescu;because it's unlikely you'll be able to in the future.
1163459;1434216462;asciilifeform;ah, that.
1163460;1434216475;mircea_popescu;just like if you wanted a good plate mail, have it made in 1650.
1163461;1434216483;asciilifeform;obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html
1163462;1434216484;assbot;ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVyBaf )
1163463;1434216599;asciilifeform;the 'unlikely in the future' thing is why i view the present situation as a dire one. at present, 'we' don't have access to any of these things.
1163464;1434216605;mircea_popescu;anyway, ftr : i don't expect the electric grid will cease to exist.
1163465;1434216611;asciilifeform;(speaking only for self, sure)
1163466;1434216611;mircea_popescu;i do expect the poor will stop having sewage.
1163467;1434216772;mircea_popescu;i suppose a version of the above "make it now" is what drives your hoarding behaviour
1163468;1434216779;asciilifeform;aha.
1163469;1434216809;asciilifeform;sometimes, literally (i'm getting a crate of east german z80 in the post a month or so from now)
1163470;1434216816;mircea_popescu;heh
1163471;1434216829;asciilifeform;and more than a handful of 'cosmac's
1163472;1434216844;asciilifeform;not like they take up much space.
1163473;1434216891;mircea_popescu;lol
1163474;1434216920;*;mircea_popescu despairs of ever moving alf anywhere.
1163475;1434216931;asciilifeform;l0l
1163476;1434216951;asciilifeform;everything 'archaeological' i have could probably fit in a small car boot.
1163477;1434216971;asciilifeform;everything else is a 'middle'.
1163478;1434217010;mircea_popescu;you know, YOU should probably start a harem
1163479;1434217021;mircea_popescu;it can be purely platonic, "you may touch the instruments" thing
1163480;1434217032;asciilifeform;'outpatient' harem ?
1163481;1434217050;mircea_popescu;alf & pet's magical hardware emporium.
1163482;1434217084;mircea_popescu;for my curiosity, you ever computed aggregate monthly utilisation of your capital goods ?
1163483;1434217087;*;asciilifeform wonders in what part of the world gurlz are into archaeohardware
1163484;1434217110;mircea_popescu;there's billions of them, and they are very educable.
1163485;1434217116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good question. do you remember what u. eco said when asked how many of the books in his library he has read ?
1163486;1434217141;asciilifeform;(iirc it was 'if i had read them, why would i park them in my shelf')
1163487;1434217190;mircea_popescu;thinkaboutit
1163488;1434217237;*;asciilifeform if knew how to program gurlz, would be doing it now, rather than writing a list of items to fetch from maths lib. before it closes for the night
1163489;1434217486;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 << lollercaust from coast to coast.
1163490;1434217486;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/
1163491;1434217522;mircea_popescu;and obviously mike & gavincoin's dog and pony show have yet to address the fact that "hey, we are ehtereum 2.0, we have the support of "investors" and so on"
1163492;1434217598;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163199 << the limit is not the engine but the graphics work. so far realtively little of that done.
1163493;1434217598;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 06:56:20; punkman: Eulora would work nice as a MUD
1163494;1434217941;danielpbarron;http://kaykurokawa.blogspot.com/2015/06/front-running-decentralized-exchanges.html >> But they are wrong because a centralized exchange faces serious damage in its reputation and business if it is revealed that they are front running. Bitcoin hard liners will scoff at this idea but believe it or not, some systems work fine based on reputation and trust.
1163495;1434217942;assbot;kaykurokawa: Front running Decentralized Exchanges: The problem with Augur, Bitshares, Nxt, and Counterparty ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvEwaQ )
1163496;1434217976;danielpbarron;found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days
1163497;1434218679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00038384 = 8.3485 BTC [+]
1163498;1434218709;danielpbarron;http://shitco.in/2015/06/13/life-is-a-pump-and-dump-front-run-the-xcp-pump/ << ah, this explains why
1163499;1434218710;assbot;shitco.in | Life Is A Pump And Dump, Front Run The XCP Pump  ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5NfK4 )
1163500;1434218724;danielpbarron;>> Disclaimer: We are long XCP. While everyone was out chasing unicorn dust in alts, we have been accumulating XCP, bitchez.
1163501;1434219524;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron "bitcoin hardliners" is becoming the #1 strawman. #shitlibertardssay
1163502;1434219565;mircea_popescu;the opinions about the Mysts of Mystery emitted by fans of the power rangers and co.
1163503;1434219859;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1162961 << my laptop's b key has finally stopped working after years of the 'key' not actually being attached (the rubber bulb still worked)
1163504;1434219859;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 01:27:23; asciilifeform: today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)
1163505;1434219903;danielpbarron;I now have to use a full size keyboard plugged into my laptop; thing might as well be a desktop now especially since wifi hasn't worked ever since I switched from ubuntu to gentoo
1163506;1434219971;danielpbarron;it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible)
1163507;1434220201;mircea_popescu;you could map it...
1163508;1434220655;kakobrekla;or just use 'lorrd', 'nonscamcoin', and 'the fairy tale' instead.
1163509;1434220962;mircea_popescu;llol
1163510;1434222074;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what laptop is it you have where you can't find a new kbd on, e.g., 'ebay' ? a 'tadpole' ?!
1163511;1434222155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00038517 = 11.2084 BTC [+]
1163512;1434222430;danielpbarron;i haven't looked
1163513;1434222456;trinque;danielpbarron: to the xmodmap with ye
1163514;1434222464;danielpbarron;it didn't occur to me to even try replacing a keyboard on a laptop
1163515;1434222480;*;danielpbarron is ok with occasionally reaching to the floor to press the 'b' key
1163516;1434222481;asciilifeform;'-- my tyre has a nail in it. car won't go straight.  -- have you tried finding a swap? -- haven't looked'
1163517;1434222523;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: generally, i won't even keep a laptop in the house unless i have several 'organ donors' for it
1163518;1434222540;kakobrekla;same here
1163519;1434222552;*;danielpbarron takes notes
1163520;1434223095;asciilifeform;in other 'news,'
1163521;1434223103;asciilifeform;http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/_niece/3991032/81266/81266_original.jpg << empress maria theresa whipping her childrenz.
1163522;1434223104;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Baqxkj )
1163523;1434223134;asciilifeform;('national museum,' warsaw)
1163524;1434223163;mod6;<+danielpbarron> it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible) << reminds me of my broken 'O' key on my asus laptop these guys saw at c3. i still havent fixed it. haha.
1163525;1434223188;asciilifeform;what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ?
1163526;1434223198;asciilifeform;how many three-legged tables, chairs ?
1163527;1434223213;*;asciilifeform mildly horrified
1163528;1434223238;mod6;i have a $100 car that the drivers side window doesn't roll down, and the passenger side doesn't roll up. no rear view mirror (it fell off) and the side mirror is taped on with Ninja Turtle ductape.
1163529;1434223257;mod6;(it's like -25 F sometimes here in the winter. try driving down the freeway with that!)
1163530;1434223294;mod6;but the idea here is that i put no $ into it, and when the wheels fall off, i'll pitch the keys on the seat and go find another.
1163531;1434223302;asciilifeform;mod6: you can get schematics and parts list for just about any car on ru warez
1163532;1434223497;mod6;*nod* i went so long without a car, it's hard for me to spend any money on that stuff at all. if i could still get away with not having one, i would.
1163533;1434223713;mod6;speaking of which... i think i've got one wheelbearing that's about to sieze
1163534;1434223723;mod6;sounds horrible. lol
1163535;1434223760;mod6;i used to wrench on stuff a lot myself, but now (last ~15 years) have no time. too much comp stuff to work on.
1163536;1434223802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0003785 = 10.3709 BTC [-] {2} 
1163537;1434223838;mod6;my old man would be horrified that i don't fix the shit on my car.  he was a "car guy". used to wrench on stuff, build his own racecars, was an expert mechanic.
1163538;1434223844;mod6;but w/e.
1163539;1434223878;trinque;pain in the ass to work on cars if you don't have the right garage setup to do it
1163540;1434223901;mod6;that's about 75% of the battle yes.  tools + place to work on the stuff.
1163541;1434223906;trinque;I still change my oil in the apt parking lot, but wouldn't bother with much more than that
1163542;1434223952;mod6;i haven't changed the oil on this pos since i bought it.  but then again, i've only put on like 2800 miles.
1163543;1434223968;mod6;i don't drive very much, and if i do, it's not very far.
1163544;1434224001;mod6;i guess i did throw in a quart once. but that doesn't count. sob is probably dying to have the filter & oil changed.
1163545;1434224010;trinque;haha
1163546;1434224015;trinque;making oil candles in there
1163547;1434224045;mod6;yeah, it's not good. its a 2000 oldsmobile.
1163548;1434224052;mod6;rust all over.
1163549;1434224082;mod6;i actually got a decent deal on it for $100, it would probably be $1000 if i bought it from a used car lot or something.  bought it from a friend.
1163550;1434224104;mod6;the car we saw in .ar with the clubs, that's probably a $3 car. lol
1163551;1434224124;mod6;damn thing probably runs tho. *shrug*
1163552;1434224128;trinque;I once sold a car for $125, was probably in way worse shape than yours
1163553;1434224141;trinque;87 300zx with about 250k on it
1163554;1434224147;mod6;hshaha
1163555;1434224158;trinque;exhaust pipe rusted off
1163556;1434224163;mod6;nice.
1163557;1434224176;trinque;I still drove it at that point
1163558;1434224181;trinque;bumper started melting lol
1163559;1434224189;mod6;hahah, that's awesome.
1163560;1434224217;trinque;slammed bad going 1st-2nd-3rd
1163561;1434224232;trinque;interior was leather at one point
1163562;1434224232;mod6;i just can't figure it out why someone would want to pay $300/mo for 6-7 years on a car loan for something "new" or "reasonable"
1163563;1434224235;trinque;but then... dust
1163564;1434224238;trinque;lol
1163565;1434224243;trinque;mod6: it's a scam
1163566;1434224266;trinque;I'll drive my current vw til it catches fire
1163567;1434224267;mod6;haha, man old worn leather does not hold up good. i know what you mean.
1163568;1434224274;mod6;tranny was bad too 'eh
1163569;1434224291;trinque;yup
1163570;1434224319;trinque;had a lot of fun in that car though, got it at 16
1163571;1434224343;mod6;i once had an 1983 pontiac perrisan <sp> station wagon.  it had 300`000 miles on it.  got it for $750. it always made me laugh because when i shut it off, it would keep knocking for like ~20 seconds. then backfire super loud.
1163572;1434224351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038517 = 10.284 BTC [+]
1163573;1434224360;trinque;haha, settle down grandpa
1163574;1434224368;trinque;*car goes to sleep*
1163575;1434224375;mod6;yah srsly. it was a 9 passenger vehicle.
1163576;1434224393;mod6;i looked idiotic driving it around, im sure.
1163577;1434224418;mod6;but that was back in the day where cars were still made with full steel frames.  thing weighed 4000 lbs.
1163578;1434224435;*;mircea_popescu fondly remembers his two ton mercedeses
1163579;1434224437;mod6;had a chev 305 in it. ran pretty nice.
1163580;1434224440;trinque;in the good old days, *you* were the crumple-zone
1163581;1434224464;mod6;haha, yes
1163582;1434224573;danielpbarron;asciilifeform> what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ? << my (**picks up keyboard**) bicycle's breaks are shot and the gear shifter is sketchy
1163583;1434224625;danielpbarron;t-shirts have holes in them, iphone won't charge unless i rubber band the cable into the right position, etc..
1163584;1434224641;mod6;my old man had one of the 1983 mercedes 380SLs.. but yeah i don't think it weighed nearly as much as those bigger frame ones like yours (MP) or Pete D's.
1163585;1434224682;danielpbarron;tea kettle's pin that the valve pivots on is loose and falling out
1163586;1434224707;mod6;well, and that thing was a convert too.. so, obv less weight there.
1163587;1434224726;mod6;heh, it shipped with .de license plates
1163588;1434224781;mod6;sweet, kernel is done
1163589;1434224900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3398 @ 0.00038509 = 1.3085 BTC [-]
1163590;1434224914;mod6;this pos box, i can hear the disk spining. "GRRRR GRRRR GRR GGRRRRRRR"
1163591;1434224921;mod6;smh
1163592;1434224953;mod6;i paid more for this pos then the damn car.
1163593;1434225260;mod6;ok here we go...
1163594;1434225264;mod6;grub works.
1163595;1434225302;mod6;ok all gravy.
1163596;1434225528;mod6;$conference
1163597;1434225551;mod6;!conference
1163598;1434225754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66020 @ 0.0003888 = 25.6686 BTC [+] {3} 
1163599;1434225876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5580 @ 0.0004082 = 2.2778 BTC [+]
1163600;1434226080;*;mod6 wonders off to create a guide
1163601;1434226888;jurov;wonders?
1163602;1434226952;jurov;and i wondered off the eulora server. event will take place after chetty fixes it.
1163603;1434227475;mod6;derp *wanders
1163604;1434227584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.00040567 = 2.2454 BTC [-]
1163605;1434228255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28564 @ 0.00041722 = 11.9175 BTC [+]
1163606;1434229552;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163496 <<< it's still way off its highs of $8-9 when it claimed it could now do whatever ethereum is planning to do
1163607;1434229552;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 17:52:56; danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days
1163608;1434229846;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163461 <<< this orlov guy.. i've enjoyed reading some of his stuff but i can't figure out what sort of man buys a boat but does not have funds tucked away for upkeep/maintenance or new engine
1163609;1434229846;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 17:28:03; asciilifeform: obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html
1163610;1434230463;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163555 <<< how does this shit pass rego or do you not have yearly rego checks on the car?
1163611;1434230463;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 19:35:58; trinque: exhaust pipe rusted off
1163612;1434230717;*;trinque mumbles something about forgiveness vs permission
1163613;1434231751;jurov;lucky bastards. i was caught, was not fined but had to prop up my old daewoo by about 300 euro (using dubious parts) to keep it legal
1163614;1434232098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41053 @ 0.00041202 = 16.9147 BTC [-]
1163615;1434232157;kakobrekla;should have got a golf.
1163616;1434232411;jurov;well, something something hindsight. it was relatively luxurious, got it from a friend who cared for it, and it did work fine for 2 years.
1163617;1434232445;jurov;!up kalki
1163618;1434232469;kakobrekla;i paid more bitcoins than you euros for mine tho.
1163619;1434232509;jurov;hi kalki, you can speak now
1163620;1434232774;kalki;thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on Trilema not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just seeking some soun
1163621;1434232780;kalki;thanks!
1163622;1434233010;funkenstein_;kalki, which gpg client?
1163623;1434233025;kalki;also, I am noticing that when I log in to #bitcoin-assets, just before it transports me to the room, it says at the bottom of the screen that this nickname is already taken and that I should verify ownership or something... I assume this means that I need to find a new nickname and that it is not talking about me just because I have been using it a couple months here..
1163624;1434233061;kalki;funkenstein, it is the latest mac client 2015.06
1163625;1434233094;funkenstein_;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1163626;1434233095;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt )
1163627;1434233233;funkenstein_;i don't mac, but methinks you can add a couple special chars without losing entropy
1163628;1434233409;kalki;funkenstein, the wiki says for WOT that I should generate a gpg if I dont already have one... so do folks typically use just one key? or is it smart to have a seperate one for WOT distinct from communication etc?
1163629;1434233418;kalki;also thanks for your help!
1163630;1434233481;funkenstein_;no prob :)  I have only one, it's easier that way.  But if you want another distinct identity you can make as many as you want.
1163631;1434233482;jurov;if you're a beginner, no use to complicates tuff by using multiple keys
1163632;1434233518;kalki;jurov, funkenstein, ok and thanks again I shall proceed
1163633;1434233544;jurov;n
1163634;1434233718;pete_dushenski;kalki: don't worry too much about the 'advice' of the newest mac pgp client
1163635;1434233761;pete_dushenski;it's designed to be 'user-friendly' for fiatheads who typically use the same password everywhere
1163636;1434233817;pete_dushenski;not that you can't add a few symbols or make the second-last letter of every diceware word a capital if you so desire
1163637;1434233890;kalki;ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...?
1163638;1434234030;pete_dushenski;i haven't used the newest mac version, but it doesn't usually take that long
1163639;1434234042;pete_dushenski;not to worry
1163640;1434234130;pete_dushenski;also depends on the size of the key you're generating
1163641;1434234136;pete_dushenski;and the machine you're using.
1163642;1434234209;jurov;^ mentioning that, if you plan to use the key seriously, use 4096bit
1163643;1434234302;pete_dushenski;just looking at 'gpg suits 2015.06' update and it actually adds some sensible improvements to the default settings
1163644;1434234392;pete_dushenski;1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message
1163645;1434234493;pete_dushenski;5) removed 1024 bit key option
1163646;1434234728;pete_dushenski;for ethereum posterity : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-20369
1163647;1434234730;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQxmsc )
1163648;1434235520;cazalla;they tried their best pete_dushenski, is that not good enough for you?!
1163649;1434235537;punkman;my favourite words from the ethereum transcript: "strategic visioning"
1163650;1434235580;pete_dushenski;cazalla: lol i guess i'm one of those unreasonable assholes who doesn't understand how the world works
1163651;1434235622;cazalla;oh god https://twitter.com/Blockchain_Memo/status/607955408360218624
1163652;1434235736;pete_dushenski;punkman: it's the kind of thing readily accomplished while sitting on the toilet
1163653;1434235742;pete_dushenski;thus making it... accessible.
1163654;1434235777;pete_dushenski;"strategic visioning" doesn't require that anything even be written down
1163655;1434235812;pete_dushenski;it's more of a sense of things to come, a feeling of how valhalla might look
1163656;1434236134;punkman;"when I was at Visa, I was leading an R&D group on Machine Learning that was experimenting with Hadoop for near real-time analytics of purchases. anyway we worked a year on that thing, and it was awesome, but one day we get invited by another group at Visa who want to show us something ‘amazing'."
1163657;1434236134;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1163658;1434236138;punkman;"turns out my team and theirs had been working on the same thing and we didn’t even know about each other."
1163659;1434236254;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bingoboingo that 'reddit outrage' piece is impossible to read dude. breaking start-up/startup into two words might give you two s.qntr shares but it makes shit unreadable and frankly a bit annoying. tighten it up, smarten it up, eh.
1163660;1434236254;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1163661;1434236863;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sQZLtsfp8
1163662;1434236864;assbot;AZIS - Hop / �ЗИС - Хоп - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2RYYS )
1163663;1434236879;jurov;the chan needs some faggotry
1163664;1434236902;punkman;we've done azis before
1163665;1434236946;cazalla;damn, that is faggy
1163666;1434238780;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> how many three-legged tables, chairs ? << i for one would rather have three-legged furniture: 3 points define a plane; any more and you have an overconstrained and rocking system
1163667;1434239194;menahem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163644 << bahaha, travis patron. "Travis Patron is a singularity researcher and cybereconomist most well-known for his thought leadership into digital economies such as bitcoin... You can find him in Toronto, apathetic towards voting while hunting banksters for spare organs."
1163668;1434239194;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 22:26:32; pete_dushenski: 1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message
1163669;1434239990;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/channel-17/RoyalTiffany xD
1163670;1434239991;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f9FZ63 )
1163671;1434240143;punkman;all I get is the loading strobe
1163672;1434240414;Naphex;try chrome
1163673;1434240424;Naphex;only tested in chrome, everything else blows up atm
1163674;1434241065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00040464 = 9.4686 BTC [-] {2} 
1163675;1434241154;cazalla;yeah, runs like shit in firefox for me
1163676;1434241193;cazalla;Naphex, what's this mean? #11 Invalid streamType and/or streamServer settings for .
1163677;1434241380;Naphex;cazalla: no flash, stream is rtmp. needs flash for a codec
1163678;1434241386;Naphex;fed through a javascript player
1163679;1434241400;Naphex;cause HLS has like a 8~20s delay
1163680;1434241417;Naphex;which is annoying to take down, and dash requres vlc
1163681;1434242102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00040182 = 5.8063 BTC [-] {2} 
1163682;1434242224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00041202 = 3.461 BTC [+]
1163683;1434243779;*;asciilifeform just used a 25-year-old floppy disk, without problems. how many dye-based 'cd-r' will last for 25 yrs ?
1163684;1434244561;kakobrekla;meh i recall 'burning' a game at friends house to ~20 floppies, only to find ~5 not working when arrived home.
1163685;1434244918;kakobrekla;and also, i recently trashed about 5 floppy drives, prolly all in working condition.
1163686;1434244932;asciilifeform;why trashed
1163687;1434244972;kakobrekla;if i keep everything that comes through my hands i will suffocate
1163688;1434244993;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: gonna end up like me, i had to buy a brand-new one last week
1163689;1434244997;asciilifeform;(yes you can still get them)
1163690;1434245011;kakobrekla;maybe :\
1163691;1434245011;asciilifeform;because had precisely one in my stash remaining, and it (literally) smoked
1163692;1434245031;kakobrekla;but i dont have a cdrom in any computer either
1163693;1434245042;kakobrekla;perhaps i could do w/o usb as well
1163694;1434245126;asciilifeform;to be clear, this was not going in my proper computer
1163695;1434245762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19656 @ 0.00040159 = 7.8937 BTC [-] {3} 
1163696;1434246276;HeySteve;hello. kakobrekla, I wanted to speak to you about a trivia bot
1163697;1434246335;kakobrekla;theres hundreds of trivia bots out there
1163698;1434246411;HeySteve;yes, I was thinking trivia contests - maybe for BTC - would be fun
1163699;1434246439;mircea_popescu;dja got btc to burn ?
1163700;1434246460;HeySteve;nope, was thinking it might bring some in
1163701;1434246486;HeySteve;entrance fees to the quiz, winner gets 90% of the fees, something like that
1163702;1434246494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33601 @ 0.00039769 = 13.3628 BTC [-] {2} 
1163703;1434246512;HeySteve;would need to pay people to research fresh questions too
1163704;1434246576;mircea_popescu;copypaste btw, say when you're around.
1163705;1434247012;HeySteve;would be ideal if a bot could be modded to hold and award the prize money
1163706;1434247257;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163620 << the idea was to not change the words, as in "these five came out but i'ma use these other five instead because htey're eaiser to remember"
1163707;1434247257;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 21:59:34; kalki: thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on Trilema not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just
1163708;1434247271;mircea_popescu;that aside, adding a curly bracket at the end or something doesn't hurt anything
1163709;1434247326;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163637 << that's definitely junk
1163710;1434247326;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 22:18:10; kalki: ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...?
1163711;1434247392;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163646 << i kinda lolled.
1163712;1434247392;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 22:32:08; pete_dushenski: for ethereum posterity : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-20369
1163713;1434247462;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163651 << this stupid shit makes it even better.
1163714;1434247462;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 22:47:02; cazalla: oh god https://twitter.com/Blockchain_Memo/status/607955408360218624
1163715;1434247640;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163684 << similar experiences. floppies fucking sucked.
1163716;1434247640;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 01:16:01; kakobrekla: meh i recall 'burning' a game at friends house to ~20 floppies, only to find ~5 not working when arrived home.
1163717;1434247657;asciilifeform;might have a survivor-bias thing going here
1163718;1434247660;mircea_popescu;but also very variant. i had one that was good for hundreds of rewrites over a year
1163719;1434247670;mircea_popescu;i had a batch of 100 out of which 30 died the first write
1163720;1434247679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite possible.
1163721;1434247720;*;mircea_popescu had a complete lotus 1-2-3 and novell netware ~suites~, hundreds of 1.2mb floppies in 50 item boxes, shelves of the shit
1163722;1434247792;asciilifeform;1.2?
1163723;1434247829;mircea_popescu;i think it was 3.11
1163724;1434247850;scoopbot_revived;Eulora update http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-update/
1163725;1434247892;mircea_popescu;ah, yes, 1,2mb
1163726;1434247899;mircea_popescu;how much were yours ? 720 ?
1163727;1434247958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00037652 = 6.382 BTC [-] {3} 
1163728;1434248099;mats;it falls
1163729;1434248873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15751 @ 0.00037426 = 5.895 BTC [-]
1163730;1434248969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1.44 like normal people
1163731;1434248974;asciilifeform;(and a few 720k)
1163732;1434248995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6949 @ 0.0003735 = 2.5955 BTC [-]
1163733;1434250947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8820 @ 0.00038939 = 3.4344 BTC [+]
1163734;1434252032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 144were the later, 3 inch ones
1163735;1434252035;mircea_popescu;these were flexible
1163736;1434253072;asciilifeform;aha then yes
1163737;1434253417;mircea_popescu;barely enough for a modern jpg
1163738;1434253509;asciilifeform;but probably enough for a life's work of decent programmer
1163739;1434253524;asciilifeform;(the material worth remembering at any rate)
1163740;1434253594;mircea_popescu;especially if written in asm
1163741;1434253613;asciilifeform;aha
1163742;1434253648;asciilifeform;i should hope to produce 1.2MB of something worth keeping before i'm buried
1163743;1434253660;asciilifeform;this is a pretty decent standard to live by.
1163744;1434253690;asciilifeform;(for this 'litmus,' only things you personally keyed in are to be counted)
1163745;1434253814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00038939 = 2.1416 BTC [+]
1163746;1434253859;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm << today from the lulzfarmz
1163747;1434253860;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPmk7w )
1163748;1434253935;mircea_popescu;SELECT sum( length( post_content ) ) WHERE post_status = "publish"
1163749;1434253935;mircea_popescu;> 105366707
1163750;1434253937;mircea_popescu;what nao ?
1163751;1434253945;asciilifeform;dingding winner
1163752;1434253977;asciilifeform;from link, 'RUSSIA and China have cracked the top-secret cache of files stolen by the fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden, forcing MI6 to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries, according to senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services.' supposedly.
1163753;1434253990;mircea_popescu;heh
1163754;1434254011;asciilifeform;reads like a usg disinfo, though
1163755;1434254138;mircea_popescu;only in that it;s a coupla years late.
1163756;1434254148;copypaste;hi mircea_popescu
1163757;1434254154;mircea_popescu;a hey.
1163758;1434254170;copypaste;your ad expired on the 13th so that's why it was removed
1163759;1434254478;mircea_popescu;lol and when's the click-ad thing expire ?
1163760;1434254607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00037373 = 5.3443 BTC [-]
1163761;1434256681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27957 @ 0.00039227 = 10.9667 BTC [+] {4} 
1163762;1434257047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2743 @ 0.00041148 = 1.1287 BTC [+]
1163763;1434258400;mircea_popescu;ooo
1163764;1434258981;scoopbot_revived;Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Hits An All Time High http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-hits-an-all-time-high/
1163765;1434259132;mircea_popescu;next year huh.
1163766;1434259157;cazalla;yeah nothing really, couple of sleeps
1163767;1434259177;mircea_popescu;lol
1163768;1434260097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00041202 = 2.6781 BTC [+]
1163769;1434261440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00040378 = 8.116 BTC [-] {2} 
1163770;1434263148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7762 @ 0.00040276 = 3.1262 BTC [-]
1163771;1434266991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00039099 = 2.1113 BTC [-]
1163772;1434270163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00039187 = 1.2736 BTC [+]
1163773;1434273152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0003752 = 5.5905 BTC [-] {3} 
1163774;1434273274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00038933 = 13.4903 BTC [+] {2} 
1163775;1434273945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00037967 = 2.8096 BTC [-]
1163776;1434274372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00039004 = 4.856 BTC [+]
1163777;1434275897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00037967 = 1.4617 BTC [-]
1163778;1434276568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13152 @ 0.00039004 = 5.1298 BTC [+]
1163779;1434277788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.0003736 = 12.8145 BTC [-] {3} 
1163780;1434279801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00037126 = 8.0192 BTC [-] {2} 
1163781;1434280594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7531 @ 0.00038839 = 2.925 BTC [+]
1163782;1434281453;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/610043122295418880
1163783;1434285413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14118 @ 0.00039004 = 5.5066 BTC [+]
1163784;1434285474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00038928 = 3.4257 BTC [-]
1163785;1434285901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00038928 = 10.9777 BTC [-]
1163786;1434287456;mats;www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/europe/us-poised-to-put-heavy-weaponry-in-east-europe.html
1163787;1434289940;mats;http://yurichev.com/blog/modulo/
1163788;1434289941;assbot;Dennis Yurichev: 13-Jun-2015: Modular arithmetic + division by multiplication + reversible LCG (PRNG) + cracking LCG with Z3. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ84vm )
1163789;1434290107;asciilifeform;mats: good intro to subj. recall, perhaps in childhood, drawing 'random' pixels to screen, with atrocious prng ? could see pattern with naked eye.
1163790;1434290229;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163764 << lol, do we get a newspiece every time this happens? 'you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older, ..., and now you're older still!' (tm) (r)
1163791;1434290229;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 05:16:21; scoopbot_revived: Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Hits An All Time High http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-hits-an-all-time-high/
1163792;1434290358;kakobrekla;lol alf
1163793;1434292123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039004 = 6.3186 BTC [+]
1163794;1434292428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00038873 = 6.2586 BTC [-] {2} 
1163795;1434292489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00038632 = 5.5437 BTC [-]
1163796;1434293038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40650 @ 0.00039145 = 15.9124 BTC [+] {2} 
1163797;1434295905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33798 @ 0.00039565 = 13.3722 BTC [+] {2} 
1163798;1434296559;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu who was that fella a while back who wanted to set up a btc-denominated market for reverse-engineered/leaked specs? (think, easily verifiable...!) and did it go anywhere ?
1163799;1434296560;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1163800;1434296942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33788 @ 0.00040546 = 13.6997 BTC [+] {4} 
1163801;1434297599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean the trivia bot ?
1163802;1434297610;asciilifeform;wai wat
1163803;1434297612;asciilifeform;trivia bot ?
1163804;1434297637;asciilifeform;!s trivia bot
1163805;1434297638;assbot;1 results for 'trivia bot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trivia+bot
1163806;1434297647;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163698
1163807;1434297647;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 01:46:51; HeySteve: yes, I was thinking trivia contests - maybe for BTC - would be fun
1163808;1434297732;asciilifeform;not related except in a hopelessly vague sense
1163809;1434297796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00040662 = 1.3012 BTC [+]
1163810;1434297979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23446 @ 0.00038952 = 9.1327 BTC [-]
1163811;1434298044;mircea_popescu;or so you'd like to think.
1163812;1434298065;asciilifeform;i'd -like- to think there is a connection. just not sure what it is, quite yet.
1163813;1434298077;jurov;reverse-engineered/leaked specs ==== trivia?
1163814;1434298116;mircea_popescu;the connection i see is that the proposition of this market is about as silly as the proposition of the trivia bot. there are fundamental differences between what a market is and what an assassination market is.
1163815;1434298145;asciilifeform;it is trickier than first appears, because 'i want the s00p3r-s33kr1t floor plan for $fpga' is turing-complete (that is, whether the trade was an honest one is not resolvable by machine)
1163816;1434298149;mircea_popescu;contrary to public idiocy, bitcoin's not particularly adequate to the latter. then again, public idiocy thought trains go too fast so it'll make passengers asphixiate out of lack of oxigen and cars explode.
1163817;1434298151;asciilifeform;and so more or less what mircea_popescu said
1163818;1434298204;mircea_popescu;but the market you propose, like the market which consists of assassins, like the market which consists of whores, is eminently NOT a market like the market that consists of grain, or ddram chips.
1163819;1434298211;asciilifeform;and yes, it'd be a kind of 'assassination' and therefore doesn't work in a public wot, and therefore - at all...
1163820;1434298229;mircea_popescu;they have a lot of common characteristics, yes, and the people "in" like to joke about it and pretend it's "the same". but... it is not.
1163821;1434298250;mircea_popescu;it works privately. there ~are~ dudes who get girlies to throw their soaking wet panties at them
1163822;1434298256;mircea_popescu;just, not you, and not for the being.
1163823;1434298269;asciilifeform;aha, can't buy $magic.
1163824;1434298276;mircea_popescu;some can.
1163825;1434298288;mircea_popescu;but that some is important and it falsifies a ~fundamental~ property of markets.
1163826;1434298288;asciilifeform;arguable that they didn't buy it, but only magic-amplifier
1163827;1434298293;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1163828;1434298295;asciilifeform;already had magic.
1163829;1434298395;asciilifeform;the reason i asked is not that i was whacked with a club over the head and turned into a tard overnight, but that instead i was thinking of certain very limited special cases of jurov's suggested '0day prize box'
1163830;1434298422;mircea_popescu;mayhap.
1163831;1434298426;asciilifeform;where, e.g., 'get btc if you can get this chip, connected to the net, to execute undocumented instruction'
1163832;1434298428;mircea_popescu;it is obviously new territory all this
1163833;1434298439;mircea_popescu;well you might have noticed i AM making experiments in that province.
1163834;1434298454;asciilifeform;somewhere in eulora ?
1163835;1434298461;mircea_popescu;no lol, somewhere on trilema
1163836;1434298472;*;asciilifeform must have missed this ?
1163837;1434298495;mircea_popescu;eh it's all over teh place :)
1163838;1434298509;asciilifeform;link?
1163839;1434298546;asciilifeform;i was speaking specifically of an automated system (riding on wot, naturally, for the 'why should i potentially waste valuable $secret' bit)
1163840;1434298571;mircea_popescu;ah, i wasn't. an' i'm not about to link the theory wqith the practice formally yet.
1163841;1434298578;asciilifeform;i.e., if some bozo announces the box, no one plays, but if mircea_popescu does - possible
1163842;1434298605;mircea_popescu;the 100% automation is too expensive
1163843;1434298616;asciilifeform;really? i'da thought human power is too expensive
1163844;1434298619;mircea_popescu;the 80% automation is what we do now anyway, for instance when using pgp
1163845;1434298619;asciilifeform;and this could make the deal
1163846;1434298633;mircea_popescu;think of computers at tractors.
1163847;1434298646;mircea_popescu;which is precisely what they be.
1163848;1434298652;asciilifeform;aha
1163849;1434298658;mircea_popescu;80% of a meal made by tractor - cheap
1163850;1434298663;mircea_popescu;100% of a meal made by tractor ?
1163851;1434298668;asciilifeform;not proposing anything complex, really. something on the order of a bear trap
1163852;1434298690;mircea_popescu;will the computer test if the thing it is testing has met  the test or merely circumvented the test ?
1163853;1434298698;mircea_popescu;because this computer may well save academia.
1163854;1434298708;asciilifeform;defined here specifically for the 'circumvented ~= passed' scenarios
1163855;1434298713;asciilifeform;limited in number, but valuable
1163856;1434298731;asciilifeform;'if you can supply a bitstring that makes mechanism x do y, get coin c'
1163857;1434298736;mircea_popescu;i may be too slow for how fast this conversation has become, so gimme an example
1163858;1434298788;mircea_popescu;in that example a) why would anyone accept to be paid less than the "cost to fuzz", and b) why would anyone opt to pay more thanb the "cost to fuzz" ?
1163859;1434298813;asciilifeform;say i have a chip, from a certain vendor, for which no public documentation is known. it nominally allows firmware to be written, but not read back (most microcontroller vendors feature this.) i connect it to a programmable i/o board, and say 'supply the signals that cause it to spit out fw.'
1163860;1434298834;asciilifeform;a monkey working at $vendor fires string, gets coin. for virtually no effort of his own.
1163861;1434298850;asciilifeform;this answers 'a'
1163862;1434298856;mircea_popescu;you are trying to take the personal relationship out of sex.
1163863;1434298865;mircea_popescu;laudable, perhaps, but certainly unworkable.
1163864;1434298876;asciilifeform;(monkey possesses the secret, will let go of it if he can do it at little personal risk and adequate reward)
1163865;1434298891;mircea_popescu;see how that's a metaphor for womanhood ?
1163866;1434298901;asciilifeform;no?
1163867;1434298904;mircea_popescu;...
1163868;1434298937;asciilifeform;woman is terrible metaphor here - there's ancient (pre-mammalian, even) 'egg defense' firmware at work
1163869;1434298949;mircea_popescu;what you said is a metaphor for womanhood, not the other way around.
1163870;1434298953;asciilifeform;whereas u.s. corporate monkeys ~will~ sell their login for a chocolate bar (empirically proven)
1163871;1434298962;mircea_popescu;a) monkey b) possesses the key c) will let go IF - c1. not painful c2. food and shelter.
1163872;1434299027;mircea_popescu;and yes, chocolate bar. to the right bloke.
1163873;1434299049;asciilifeform;very often, the secret in question is in possession of folks who presently have ~no~ way to monetize it - i am speaking specifically of amateurs who pwned, by way of idle exploration, the target - but are not in a 'k00l d00dz wot' where they can safely sell the result to anyone
1163874;1434299066;mircea_popescu;how we'd evaluate the "very often" ?
1163875;1434299073;asciilifeform;only one way.
1163876;1434299075;asciilifeform;empirically
1163877;1434299077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00037675 = 18.9505 BTC [-] {5} 
1163878;1434299089;mircea_popescu;it'd seem very superficially that if this is true the other name for it is "polichinelle's secret"
1163879;1434299120;asciilifeform;mno.
1163880;1434299134;asciilifeform;the concept of 'if random d00d pwned $victim, so has everyone' is only approximately true.
1163881;1434299151;asciilifeform;because the incentive to actually sift through the raw data isn't presently there.
1163882;1434299155;mircea_popescu;is there any particular reason the amateur that's not in a kool dude wot now will manage to get in the kool dude wot of the proposed market ?
1163883;1434299181;asciilifeform;if the human element is maximally removed.
1163884;1434299183;mircea_popescu;if that reason can be descreibed, is that reason anything but psychogenic ?
1163885;1434299186;mircea_popescu;aham.
1163886;1434299186;asciilifeform;bring magic key, get candy.
1163887;1434299216;mircea_popescu;i am inclined to believe the solution to this problem is psychanalisis not software development.
1163888;1434299228;mircea_popescu;then again... the past 50 years would look a lot different if i were actually right.
1163889;1434299246;asciilifeform;the question of 'how do i know this candy dispenser contains candy and won't simply eat my key' is to be resolved using popescutronium (substance which powers atomic dirigible)
1163890;1434299259;asciilifeform;hypothetically
1163891;1434299292;mircea_popescu;how are you going to resolve dispute between party a which claims it ate its key and party b which claims the key was junk ?
1163892;1434299302;mircea_popescu;specifically modeled for our convenience out of al schwartz.
1163893;1434299312;mircea_popescu;so, he put in his key, and the result came out negatory. what now.
1163894;1434299318;asciilifeform;it is a mistake to ask for a universal resolution to such a dispute, like asking for 'absolute velocity' in physics
1163895;1434299335;mircea_popescu;the mistake is not to ask for it, the mistake is to contemplate a system that requires the question answered.
1163896;1434299345;asciilifeform;i'm not certain that it does require it
1163897;1434299361;kakobrekla;you need to call in ethereum
1163898;1434299365;asciilifeform;l0l
1163899;1434299369;mircea_popescu;why would magical dragon risk his magic to get involved in a system that may well tarnish it for no reason ?
1163900;1434299396;asciilifeform;on account of the impeccable reputation of the wizard who built it ?
1163901;1434299405;mircea_popescu;it just became unimpeccable.
1163902;1434299426;mircea_popescu;and the past few years have taught me a whole lot about the value and complexity of maintaining impeccability.
1163903;1434299444;mircea_popescu;not an easy task for angels to actually walk the earth.
1163904;1434299451;asciilifeform;must be so impeccable that it does not visibly diminish from a single dissatisfied dragon - any more than planet earth visibly loses gravitational pull from a rocket launched to outer space
1163905;1434299460;mircea_popescu;that's ok, the rule is 0 1 infinity.
1163906;1434299463;mircea_popescu;your system goes to infinity.
1163907;1434299507;mircea_popescu;anyway, by "magical dragon" i meant what you seem to mean by "wizard" just ftr.
1163908;1434299510;asciilifeform;i must point out that i have sat on both sides of this (entirely absent) bench. both in search of secrets, ~and~ sitting on a small stash of 0days that will be buried with me
1163909;1434299521;mircea_popescu;why would THE WIZARD get involved in this, when there's an unbound negative result on the table.
1163910;1434299551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only way he might consider it is if it were a ~bounded~ negative
1163911;1434299563;asciilifeform;i.e. the secrets are sufficiently cheap (not of cosmic significance)
1163912;1434299567;mircea_popescu;but when i tried that you said "it is a mistake to ask"
1163913;1434299577;asciilifeform;sorta like most folks are happy to use 'coke' machines
1163914;1434299584;asciilifeform;even though occasionally it eats the coin
1163915;1434299588;mircea_popescu;mno.
1163916;1434299609;mircea_popescu;the machine has a horrible reputation, and only survives in its abjection
1163917;1434299616;asciilifeform;by all rights the machines ought to have disappeared by now
1163918;1434299617;mircea_popescu;the usg did NOT survive eating the coin merely a few times.
1163919;1434299667;asciilifeform;i wondered, often, if most 'coke' drinkers simply amortized the lost coins, mentally
1163920;1434299673;mircea_popescu;don't come to me with a model that requires turning wizards into coke machines. there's no power to do so and the effort would be overall -ev anwyay
1163921;1434299710;asciilifeform;again, the proposition is that there exists 'small change wizardry' which would find a place in a coke machine.
1163922;1434299717;mircea_popescu;imo most coke drinkers do about the coins and machines what they do about their hopes and wives
1163923;1434299724;asciilifeform;l0lwat
1163924;1434299736;mircea_popescu;the only reason there's no coke machine murder-suicides is the low value of the item.
1163925;1434299757;mircea_popescu;(same holds true for the recent downturn in actual marriages ended that way too)
1163926;1434299760;asciilifeform;now that i think about it...
1163927;1434299766;asciilifeform;coke machine 'murder-suicide' used to be sop! in usa
1163928;1434299774;asciilifeform;until they started chaining the things to the wall
1163929;1434300017;mircea_popescu;hehe
1163930;1434300022;mircea_popescu;a quarter's not what it used to be.
1163931;1434300042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally most u.s. 'soda' machines have card slots now.
1163932;1434300054;asciilifeform;(on account of multi-$ prices)
1163933;1434300063;mircea_popescu;they a) no longer steal quarters and b) steal data.
1163934;1434300068;asciilifeform;aha
1163935;1434300081;mircea_popescu;everyone's happy : the plebs for a, the corp because b), as quarters weren't evenworth stealing
1163936;1434300138;asciilifeform;one day some schmuck will build (for usg bid) a coke machine which dispenses the goop in exchange for a photo and dna sample
1163937;1434300143;asciilifeform;and idiots will flock to it
1163938;1434300153;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1163939;1434300158;asciilifeform;aha.
1163940;1434300165;mircea_popescu;think about it - that's for many of them the ONLY chance they get to reproduce their dna.
1163941;1434300177;mircea_popescu;you are aware, yes ? point of life for the genotype driven is reproducing the damned things
1163942;1434300213;asciilifeform;machine will index for usg db, not for implantation, lol
1163943;1434300240;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1163944;1434300243;mircea_popescu;i dun think it cares.
1163945;1434300247;asciilifeform;they only store a few thou. of sequence
1163946;1434300259;mircea_popescu;that's the only thing keepiong the floodgates shut.
1163947;1434300375;asciilifeform;i've wondered what kept various floodgates of shit, hypothesized in fiction of the past, shut. e.g., 'rent-free' flats with walls covered in stomach-churning blinking advertisements 24/7, pensions in return for forehead tatoos of 'coca cola', etc.
1163948;1434300378;asciilifeform;and similar horrors
1163949;1434300405;mircea_popescu;iirc tattoo advertising is a thing
1163950;1434300423;asciilifeform;never caught on en masse, afaik
1163951;1434300447;asciilifeform;could have something to do with the cargo-cult, 'stotting' aspect of advertising per se
1163952;1434300459;asciilifeform;gazelle does not need to stot 3km high, on rocket power
1163953;1434300461;trinque;http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/man-face-tattoos-companies-pay-removal-article-1.1294437 <<
1163954;1434300462;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8ANwi )
1163955;1434300536;*;mircea_popescu has seen plenty of "property of X" crotch-and-other-places 
1163956;1434300539;mircea_popescu;does it cunt ?
1163957;1434300541;mircea_popescu;+o
1163958;1434300562;trinque;lol
1163959;1434300562;asciilifeform;not unless 'x' is 'coca cola', 'bank of america', etc
1163960;1434300573;mircea_popescu;actually the only tattoo i ever saw that i thought was cool,
1163961;1434300596;mircea_popescu;this chick has on her pubis that original persian message, in greek.
1163962;1434300608;mircea_popescu;you know, the one gorgo "decyphered" ?
1163963;1434300661;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1163964;1434300671;asciilifeform;as seen in herodot ?
1163965;1434300689;mircea_popescu;iirc it was widely reported in teh ancient world.
1163966;1434300773;asciilifeform;incidentally, did 'e-ink' ever make an appearance in tattoo shops ?
1163967;1434300801;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1163968;1434300827;mircea_popescu;trinque the lol part is, how often the tattood were in fact free agents or otherwise involved.
1163969;1434300942;mats;https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19210935/why-does-the-c-preprocessor-interpret-the-word-linux-as-the-constant-1
1163970;1434300943;assbot;Why does the C preprocessor interpret the word "linux" as the constant "1"? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8BIgh )
1163971;1434300962;trinque;face tattoes aren't really any worse than stretching out your earlobes
1163972;1434300985;trinque;people will imitate anything
1163973;1434300998;trinque;s/face/crotch/
1163974;1434301001;mircea_popescu;the earlobe idiocy is really popular here in the hipster crowd
1163975;1434301008;trinque;here as well
1163976;1434301013;mircea_popescu;i suspect worthless argentines tryin to act brazilian tough
1163977;1434301082;mircea_popescu;anyway, i see a point to actually signifying tattoos, those queen of spades ankle stuff, or the russian cat or whatever.
1163978;1434301093;jurov;yes, i have read about e-ink tattoo. but all such things fall into uncanny valley together with google glass
1163979;1434301115;jurov;question is, how much longer
1163980;1434301203;trinque;it will be a very long time before I implant electronics in my body, if ever
1163981;1434301227;trinque;they're going to have to pull off "laptop" first
1163982;1434301261;jurov;i am wearing electronics on my ears all day, so i've got a tollerance. but saw nothing appealing so far
1163983;1434302615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40553 @ 0.00037069 = 15.0326 BTC [-] {2} 
1163984;1434302787;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163786 << well, why should only isis get some ?
1163985;1434302787;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 13:10:56; mats: www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/world/europe/us-poised-to-put-heavy-weaponry-in-east-europe.html
1163986;1434302791;mircea_popescu;maybe the russians would want
1163987;1434302919;trinque;"Russia/China poised to put heavy weaponry in Mexico and Canada."
1163988;1434302968;mircea_popescu;mexico would make sense
1163989;1434302977;mircea_popescu;i am kind of curious why neither are going for the "peace keeping" thing
1163990;1434302987;mircea_popescu;state's in just as bad a shape as syria/ukraina/etc ever were.
1163991;1434302992;trinque;yeah
1163992;1434302998;mircea_popescu;perhaps because they're not retarded enough to be the us.
1163993;1434303021;mircea_popescu;one should really stop and think for a moment if he notices that the opposing players eschew "opportunities" he himself wouldn't.
1163994;1434303057;trinque;good point
1163995;1434303073;trinque;and I wonder how long the other players will put up with our paranoid, incoherent moves against them
1163996;1434303078;mircea_popescu;moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition
1163997;1434303095;mircea_popescu;and the numerous coallitions of defeated european monarchs trying to save monarchies from napoleon
1163998;1434303109;mircea_popescu;i think it's liable to go the same place - state's exactly as dead today as monarchy was in 1803
1163999;1434303134;mircea_popescu;yes, some symbolic "states", about as related to historical states as the queen of england's to historical britsh monarchs will survive
1164000;1434303138;mircea_popescu;in pockets of "nordic system" ness
1164001;1434303144;mircea_popescu;but otherwise. .. the state is gone.
1164002;1434303190;mircea_popescu;if anyone can explain the difference between "for king and country" of the blips of the 1800s and "for democracy1`11`11" of the redditards of today...
1164003;1434303244;mircea_popescu;the similarities are overpowering. both groups are grossly acultural, clinging to ridiculously simplified worldviews and models of thought, and pretending to a legitimacy and importance that is both absent in the field and justified ideally and historically only.
1164004;1434303428;trinque;in the reddit version perhaps it's much harder to see precisely who's giving the orders
1164005;1434303431;trinque;pao? surely not
1164006;1434303445;mircea_popescu;the same problem existed with the blips.
1164007;1434303493;mircea_popescu;(the word has a particular slang meaning in english, a certain sort of beer drinking, saber rattling british citizen.)
1164008;1434303620;scoopbot_revived;Slutennis http://trilema.com/2015/slutennis/
1164009;1434303653;trinque;I think I found one https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHUMlfeUMAAekLc.jpg:large
1164010;1434303653;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbUBMk )
1164011;1434303674;mircea_popescu;haha too vulgar.
1164012;1434303745;mircea_popescu;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/57/bd/0d57bd3b61e45343644281ed7d1cca3f.jpg << this
1164013;1434303746;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbUIaO )
1164014;1434303774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00038654 = 4.3679 BTC [+] {2} 
1164015;1434303776;mircea_popescu;Terry Gilliam is obsessed with them
1164016;1434303807;trinque;ah ok, that must've been his great great grandson
1164017;1434305421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18308 @ 0.0003771 = 6.9039 BTC [-]
1164018;1434305477;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/pE2zQPQ
1164019;1434305477;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbWybz )
1164020;1434305477;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1164021;1434305506;ben_vulpes;thanks for the advice all
1164022;1434305515;ben_vulpes;and yes asciilifeform it is "rusted solid" on the inside.
1164023;1434306761;kakobrekla;thats a good thing?
1164024;1434307328;jurov;rusted solid === genuine vintage
1164025;1434307556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037548 = 12.0717 BTC [-] {2} 
1164026;1434307800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53300 @ 0.00039088 = 20.8339 BTC [+] {2} 
1164027;1434308333;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what is that
1164028;1434308393;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1164006 << ~blimps~
1164029;1434308393;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 17:37:25; mircea_popescu: the same problem existed with the blips.
1164030;1434308458;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Colonel_Blimp_cartoon.png << as seen here.
1164031;1434308458;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUzt9J )
1164032;1434308654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00037028 = 7.3315 BTC [-]
1164033;1434309161;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: corvette
1164034;1434309178;*;ben_vulpes off for a bit of motoring with pets
1164035;1434309190;asciilifeform;i thought it was a block of rust ?
1164036;1434309246;*;asciilifeform pictures ben_vulpes doing http://funnyrussians.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/povozka_1.jpg.crop_display.jpg
1164037;1434309249;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUBaE7 )
1164038;1434309484;jurov;!mpif
1164039;1434309485;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021444 B (Total: 426.05 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1164040;1434309492;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1164041;1434309492;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (15000 shares, 3.11 BTC)
1164042;1434311677;mod6;haha. that horse drawn car is awesome.
1164043;1434312985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00036863 = 10.2479 BTC [-] {2} 
1164044;1434314720;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: almost exactly! except it's pulled by my giant dog instead of any sort of horse
1164045;1434314790;jurov;no yoked human females?
1164046;1434314890;mod6;haha
1164047;1434314931;jurov;http://oglaf.com/hereafter/ guess oglaf saw us discussing death this week
1164048;1434314932;assbot;hereafter ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmhClk )
1164049;1434315059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6230 @ 0.00037355 = 2.3272 BTC [+]
1164050;1434316257;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski startup spacing issue corrected. Distinct hazard of staing into the idiocy is contact transmission of derp.
1164051;1434316258;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1164052;1434316734;BingoBoingo;Fake words are also the hardest to spell
1164053;1434317347;scoopbot_revived;Spy http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/14/spy/
1164054;1434317937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right you are
1164055;1434318918;ben_vulpes;/usr/include/features.h:374:25: fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory << novel and exciting failures in compiling openssl
1164056;1434320065;mircea_popescu;cdefs.h doesn't sound like it would be needed anyway :D
1164057;1434322623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19385 @ 0.00036749 = 7.1238 BTC [-] {2} 
1164058;1434323166;ben_vulpes;one would think, and yet openssl won't compile without cdefs.h apparently
1164059;1434324915;ben_vulpes;anyways for future logreaders and software archaeologists:
1164060;1434324932;ben_vulpes;fix for missing cdefs.h on ubuntu 14.04 was "g++-multilib"
1164061;1434324951;ben_vulpes;now if anyone can tell me what the ever loving hell that actua.
1164062;1434325358;funkenstein_;ben_vulpes, it's sudo apt-get turtles-dev all the way down
1164063;1434325640;ben_vulpes;unacceptabru!
1164064;1434325811;punkman;http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/4-4/8MgA8Zancj-10.png
1164065;1434325812;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFlP2L )
1164066;1434325872;punkman;!up gares_
1164067;1434326077;funkenstein_;punkman, friend of yours?
1164068;1434326085;funkenstein_;the turtle i mean
1164069;1434326120;punkman;I like turtles
1164070;1434326364;funkenstein_;you know poo-tsee?
1164071;1434326932;funkenstein_;!up yhwh_
1164072;1434326954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73950 @ 0.00037707 = 27.8843 BTC [+] {4} 
1164073;1434327114;mircea_popescu;aaannnnd in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mabpbcSKvW1rem3mwo1_500.gif
1164074;1434327115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFmT6K )
1164075;1434327844;*;jurov can't sleep, ended up reading shit like https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/bitcoin-religion-filip-martinka-
1164076;1434327845;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFnwwZ )
1164077;1434327883;ben_vulpes;https://www.lockpicksaustralia.com.au/lock-picking/legality/
1164078;1434327886;assbot;Legality | Lock Picks Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFnxB6 )
1164079;1434327907;jurov;"Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."
1164080;1434327923;jurov;TANTRIC. ben_vulpes see?
1164081;1434327930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00038555 = 16.6365 BTC [+]
1164082;1434327972;ben_vulpes;see what?
1164083;1434327977;ben_vulpes;and source?
1164084;1434327992;jurov;the last link i posted
1164085;1434328049;jurov;and see what? that finding the right cdecls.h spot is in fact tantric exercise :)
1164086;1434328096;jurov;"At this point we can consider... Scientology is a tax-exempt religion. Why not Bitcoin?" ahahaha never made the connection before
1164087;1434328316;ben_vulpes;wow that's quite a wall of text
1164088;1434328321;jurov;"...consider that Bitcoin has died 71 times, and therefore is continuously reborn in the psychic reality of the public."
1164089;1434328331;jurov;dunno why I find it so funny
1164090;1434328479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00037124 = 18.4692 BTC [-]
1164091;1434328559;jurov;maybe I should invite dude here to "inner cult" :D
1164092;1434328580;ben_vulpes;i have a spare robe for him
1164093;1434328588;ben_vulpes;it's a little stained tho
1164094;1434329379;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/a/FhZRf
1164095;1434329380;assbot;                    Brand-New Trinitron (circa 2000) - Unboxed in 2015. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFoDwJ )
1164096;1434329380;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1164097;1434329516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35334 @ 0.00037124 = 13.1174 BTC [-]
1164098;1434329638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58950 @ 0.00037956 = 22.3751 BTC [+]
1164099;1434330159;ben_vulpes;http://thatoregonlife.com/2015/06/oregon-man-gets-sentenced-to-3-years-in-jail-for-pumping-his-own-gas/
1164100;1434330160;assbot;Oregon man gets sentenced to 3 years in jail for pumping his own gas ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFpspl )
1164101;1434330224;asciilifeform;'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man – but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'
1164102;1434330291;asciilifeform;hilarious gag
1164103;1434330300;asciilifeform;now if only it happened.
1164104;1434330608;BingoBoingo;Fupa Duped https://i.imgur.com/s4OD455.jpg
1164105;1434330608;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFpWMi )
1164106;1434331000;BingoBoingo;!up RUchamp
1164107;1434331102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00039426 = 20.0678 BTC [+] {4} 
1164108;1434331387;mats;https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
1164109;1434331388;assbot;    Wat —    Destroy All Software   Talks   ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFqYrt )
1164110;1434331468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19791 @ 0.00040032 = 7.9227 BTC [+]
1164111;1434331529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3111 @ 0.00040387 = 1.2564 BTC [+]
1164112;1434332505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00040387 = 32.1884 BTC [+]
1164113;1434332549;BingoBoingo;!Up gares_
1164114;1434332749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 74 @ 0.0139 = 1.0286 BTC [-] {2} 
1164115;1434332871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6230 @ 0.00040387 = 2.5161 BTC [+]
1164116;1434332932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129686 @ 0.00040905 = 53.0481 BTC [+] {6} 
1164117;1434334091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00042619 = 32.0708 BTC [+]
1164118;1434334396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101841 @ 0.00039785 = 40.5174 BTC [-] {3} 
1164119;1434334531;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe
1164120;1434334531;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036741 / 0.00038996 / 0.00042619 (1520935 shares, 593.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00033981 / 0.00036473 / 0.00042619 (16484205 shares, 6,012.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00031819 / 0.00042619 (115683800 shares, 36,810.55 BTC)
1164121;1434334762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6435 @ 0.00038725 = 2.492 BTC [-]
1164122;1434334884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62369 @ 0.00038725 = 24.1524 BTC [-]
1164123;1434335922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13031 @ 0.0003987 = 5.1955 BTC [+]
1164124;1434336044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44693 @ 0.00039827 = 17.7999 BTC [-]
1164125;1434336479;decimation;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557568/I-love-girl--Im-control-boasts-fallen-child-genius.html < smart folks are maybe also not always wise?
1164126;1434336480;assbot;'I love being a call girl - I'm in control,' boasts fallen child genius | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1HHZ4at )
1164127;1434336592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99050 @ 0.00039386 = 39.0118 BTC [-]
1164128;1434336740;mats;nothing wrong with being a call girl
1164129;1434337446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118350 @ 0.00039241 = 46.4417 BTC [-] {2} 
1164130;1434337872;decimation;not every call girl can do calculus,  she needs to be given a better purpose
1164131;1434337873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27549 @ 0.00039827 = 10.9719 BTC [+]
1164132;1434337934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2615 @ 0.00041581 = 1.0873 BTC [+]
1164133;1434338277;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1164012 < those are very fancy hats
1164134;1434338277;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/57/bd/0d57bd3b61e45343644281ed7d1cca3f.jpg << this
1164135;1434338300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00041165 = 32.4586 BTC [-] {2} 
1164136;1434338669;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state?
1164137;1434338669;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 17:31:18; mircea_popescu: moreover, there are hard to miss parallels between this entire "saving the state" interventionism of the us coallition
1164138;1434338690;decimation;if there were an obvious alternative it probably would have happened already?
1164139;1434338900;trinque;a WoT of a hundred million people, maybe
1164140;1434339030;decimation;I guess.  when your house is on fire are you gonna look through your rolodex?
1164141;1434339032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00041432 = 6.1527 BTC [+]
1164142;1434339080;trinque;there are a number of ways to come at that particular problem
1164143;1434339156;decimation;sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure
1164144;1434339327;trinque;couldn't we apply the same argument to plowing the roads, or other similar work?
1164145;1434339351;trinque;in the absence of a central authority dictating that there shall be a fire dept, I wouldn't expect that the need to put out fires would vanish along with it
1164146;1434339438;funkenstein_;where do you live that the state runs the fire dept?
1164147;1434339469;decimation;not a literal us state here, state = government
1164148;1434339477;trinque;^
1164149;1434339501;funkenstein_;well any business has its governing structure
1164150;1434339590;funkenstein_;fire departments usually don't need to be able to counterfeit money
1164151;1434339622;funkenstein_;non sequitur, sorry
1164152;1434339754;funkenstein_;what is the alternative to slavery?
1164153;1434339757;decimation;but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep
1164154;1434339795;funkenstein_;what do you mean someone has to claim the land?
1164155;1434339845;decimation;if the land is unclaimed, how do you build a house?
1164156;1434339863;funkenstein_;with materials
1164157;1434339865;trinque;owning something is having control over it
1164158;1434339869;decimation;heh
1164159;1434339889;trinque;it's not an abstract granted by an authority
1164160;1434339902;decimation;trinque: yes, and the implication quickly becomes "I sit in my mud hut with my ak and you sit in yours"
1164161;1434339912;decimation;if you need an army to do anything that is
1164162;1434339914;trinque;we should define what we mean by state
1164163;1434339930;funkenstein_;indeed
1164164;1434339950;trinque;probably means something a bit more than "owns this dirt"
1164165;1434340048;funkenstein_;there is the question of "who's your roof"
1164166;1434340059;trinque;this monstrous, bureaucratic "modern state" which infiltrates every aspect of life is to whom I refer
1164167;1434340140;trinque;decimation: or in other words... if only the fire dept was the most of our worries
1164168;1434340157;trinque;I'd be happy to see it go if the rest were also in the bathwater
1164169;1434340193;decimation;trinque: no doubt, I can imagine lots of other structures, but I just don't see how groups of people who need to do business together can get away from some kind of central coordinating mechanism for certain tasks
1164170;1434340203;trinque;neither can I
1164171;1434340205;decimation;note that this doesn't imply 'modern state' is the only possibly solution
1164172;1434340235;trinque;perhaps something eventually emerges which is the aggregate of contracts within the WoT
1164173;1434340248;decimation;but it seems to me that nearly all qualifying solutions meet some definition of 'state'
1164174;1434340257;trinque;and in fact, built upon consent, it would have far greater legitimacy
1164175;1434340289;funkenstein_;malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not
1164176;1434340332;trinque;malcolm x was a reactionary with no proposal
1164177;1434340357;trinque;cept what, islam?
1164178;1434340374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113100 @ 0.00038688 = 43.7561 BTC [-] {2} 
1164179;1434340390;funkenstein_;his proposal was that the bullet was more powerful than the ballot
1164180;1434340405;trinque;thought of that all by himself, did he?
1164181;1434340444;funkenstein_;that wasn't his claim
1164182;1434340444;trinque;anyhow. it's true that anywhere humans gather and interact structures will emerge
1164183;1434340494;funkenstein_;true indeed.  people talk about "the government" as if that meant something specific..  so many out there
1164184;1434340564;trinque;decimation: one important distinction may be that whereas the modern state seeks to make humans fungible, to normalize them according to some standard
1164185;1434340593;trinque;the WoT allows for *varying* standards of interaction based on the relationships involved
1164186;1434340646;decimation;sure, but that's a distinction between 'a state' and 'the modern structure' (as moldbug would put it)
1164187;1434340656;trinque;I don't disagree
1164188;1434340709;decimation;I would probably setting for a 'modern state' that did its best to cultivate the quality of its human potential, rather than treating it like an infinite resource
1164189;1434340734;decimation;s/setting/settle/
1164190;1434340752;funkenstein_;i find it easier to talk about tax regimes
1164191;1434340892;trinque;if you presuppose my involvement in some agreement between other people, you've presupposed me right out of the conversation in both cases!
1164192;1434340894;trinque;lol
1164193;1434340915;trinque;if I haven't signed something, it has been forced upon me
1164194;1434340941;trinque;to state the obvious
1164195;1434340978;funkenstein_;to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born
1164196;1434341000;trinque;the social contract is religious bullshit
1164197;1434341122;funkenstein_;!up Vexual
1164198;1434341150;Vexual;hi hi
1164199;1434341161;funkenstein_;I'm not sure what the social contract is.  As you point out, I didn't sign it
1164200;1434341178;Vexual;oysters cost 0 if you find them
1164201;1434341182;trinque;or "you are not your own but were bought at a price"
1164202;1434341187;trinque;corinthian's something something
1164203;1434341208;trinque;or any other such brainwashing which precludes my own decisionmaking
1164204;1434341209;decimation;trinque: but in that case Paul is referring to those who believe in Jesus
1164205;1434341225;trinque;sure and my parents had me baptised
1164206;1434341241;trinque;so I'm his bondslave for life according to this or that interpretation of folk legends
1164207;1434341289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46602 @ 0.00039935 = 18.6105 BTC [+]
1164208;1434341336;decimation;if your point is that your salvation is involuntary, I don't think that is correct, but Christians do disagree on this point
1164209;1434341371;trinque;point is people with mouths can declare anything at all
1164210;1434341384;trinque;that doesn't mean that I acknowledge it
1164211;1434341407;decimation;indeed.  yet, you were born, fed, taught, and you will die.
1164212;1434341412;trinque;when someone says "there is a social contract" that's just a backdoor way of saying "you shall accept the implications of there being a social contract"
1164213;1434341513;trinque;I might revise that further to "I shall force you to behave as though there were such a thing as a social contract."
1164214;1434341522;trinque;though the "I" in the sentence may not be the speaker
1164215;1434341572;funkenstein_;so what behavior are we talking about here?
1164216;1434341647;decimation;trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)
1164217;1434341777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51956 @ 0.00038944 = 20.2337 BTC [-]
1164218;1434341867;trinque;decimation: I grant that
1164219;1434341960;trinque;wouldn't it be nice for a man to call a command a command, so you know what freedom you actually have
1164220;1434341963;trinque;if any.
1164221;1434342012;trinque;the destruction of the language in order to convince slaves they are not slaves costs far too much
1164222;1434342114;Vexual;such acrux
1164223;1434342144;trinque;decimation: I've heard it called "stealing your stolen from" around here, and it's exactly on the mark
1164224;1434342225;trinque;so then going back to the "state", if the "state" is this, then a "state" is *not* the aggregate of agreements made by free men
1164225;1434342238;trinque;might be nice to give that one it's own word
1164226;1434342271;funkenstein_;in practical use, the state is whatever the guy with the gun tells you it is
1164227;1434342448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26655 @ 0.000404 = 10.7686 BTC [+] {2} 
1164228;1434342516;trinque;funkenstein_: things are what they are, though we may be forced to call them otherwise
1164229;1434342733;funkenstein_;yhwh wasn't interested in this new testament stuff
1164230;1434342798;funkenstein_;trinque, indeed.  sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks
1164231;1434343058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51981 @ 0.00040768 = 21.1916 BTC [+]
1164232;1434343187;funkenstein_;while we're here, http://www.theonion.com/video/onn-exclusive-one-on-one-interview-with-god-37236
1164233;1434343188;assbot;ONN Exclusive: One-On-One Interview With God - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie5mul )
1164234;1434343485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80744 @ 0.00038944 = 31.4449 BTC [-]
1164235;1434343973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33272 @ 0.00038789 = 12.9059 BTC [-]
1164236;1434344949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261650 @ 0.00041316 = 108.1033 BTC [+] {4} 
1164237;1434346718;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 276 @ 0.00494424 = 1.3646 BTC [-] {9} 
1164238;1434347023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.0004016 = 17.3893 BTC [-]
1164239;1434348060;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 253 @ 0.00480442 = 1.2155 BTC [-] {2} 
1164240;1434348182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00039527 = 26.7598 BTC [-]
1164241;1434348731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76303 @ 0.00039527 = 30.1603 BTC [-]
1164242;1434349219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00039158 = 15.2716 BTC [-]
1164243;1434349647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265900 @ 0.00040148 = 106.7535 BTC [+] {5} 
1164244;1434350576;punkman;!up Vexual
1164245;1434350597;Vexual;hello
1164246;1434350622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00039158 = 20.7929 BTC [-]
1164247;1434350690;Vexual;whats for breakfast punkman?
1164248;1434350724;punkman;tea and crumpets
1164249;1434350863;Vexual;hmm, sounds like london
1164250;1434350881;Vexual;no fried haloumi?
1164251;1434350948;punkman;I do have a piece left, maybe for lunch
1164252;1434350998;Vexual;im jealous
1164253;1434351051;punkman;don't fry it though, better toasted/grilled
1164254;1434351120;Vexual;noted
1164255;1434351171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67430 @ 0.00039978 = 26.9572 BTC [+]
1164256;1434351278;punkman;punkman's salad suggestion: purslane, rocket, cherry tomatos and grilled haloumi
1164257;1434351330;Vexual;what would you serve that with?
1164258;1434351501;punkman;can't go wrong with steak
1164259;1434351525;Vexual;if i cant find purslane?
1164260;1434351584;punkman;then you gotta buy some seeds
1164261;1434351621;Vexual;lol, but im salivating
1164262;1434351697;Vexual;ill ask the asians for a tropicaal quqivalent
1164263;1434351725;Vexual;bok choi stems maybe
1164264;1434351770;Vexual;snapper is in season too
1164265;1434351890;Vexual;watercress?
1164266;1434351945;punkman;well anything will do, it's salad
1164267;1434351972;Vexual;sounds good
1164268;1434352099;punkman;any snail farmers down under?
1164269;1434352114;Vexual;maybe in tas or melb
1164270;1434352138;Vexual;you eat em?
1164271;1434352157;punkman;not too often, I got a box of them fattening up though
1164272;1434352177;punkman;fry them with garlic and rosemary
1164273;1434352194;Vexual;ive never tried
1164274;1434352243;Vexual;i dont think theyd grow here, never see wild ones
1164275;1434352283;Vexual;what do they eat? old lettuce?
1164276;1434352300;punkman;white flour
1164277;1434352352;Vexual;do they prefer dampper, or just flour?
1164278;1434352369;Vexual;do you make it into dough and cook it?
1164279;1434352398;punkman;!up Vexual
1164280;1434352409;punkman;no the box gets pretty gross
1164281;1434352678;Vexual;id rather a box of ducks to be hosnest, but id eat it
1164282;1434353019;Vexual;do you wash them?
1164283;1434353073;Vexual;or does the slime go into the sauce?
1164284;1434353098;punkman;gotta give them a scrub, and check for casualties
1164285;1434353240;Vexual;ok im salivating, thanks for the recipies, im off to raid a southerners letterbox
1164286;1434353276;punkman;in other news https://musalbas.com/2015/06/14/e-detective-security-advisory.html
1164287;1434353277;assbot;Security advisory - E-Detective Lawful Interception System ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSIWTY )
1164288;1434353279;punkman;"The .tar file must be encrypted with the static key /tmp/.charlie. Yes, that's the actual key - the software passes the wrong argument to OpenSSL. -K is used to pass the keyfile instead of -kfile, meaning that the key is the path of the keyfile rather than the contents"
1164289;1434353281;Vexual;failing that ill buy a snapper
1164290;1434353623;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHbGtiVUEAAwfM9.jpg
1164291;1434353624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSJl8S )
1164292;1434353977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48318 @ 0.00039629 = 19.1479 BTC [-]
1164293;1434355075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6435 @ 0.00039629 = 2.5501 BTC [-]
1164294;1434356722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146850 @ 0.00039755 = 58.3802 BTC [+] {2} 
1164295;1434358308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25970 @ 0.00039893 = 10.3602 BTC [+] {2} 
1164296;1434359467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00039995 = 4.5394 BTC [+]
1164297;1434359866;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163790 <<< c'mon, i even dropped it back to once a month instead of the twice monthly update.. i find the mining diff stuff interesting in anycase
1164298;1434359866;assbot;Logged on 14-06-2015 13:57:09; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163764 << lol, do we get a newspiece every time this happens? 'you're older than you've ever been and now you're even older, ..., and now you're older still!' (tm) (r)
1164299;1434359866;scoopbot_revived;CoinJar COO Ryan Zhou Caught Impersonating Dice Site's Developer http://qntra.net/2015/06/coinjar-coo-ryan-zhou-caught-impersonating-dice-sites-developer/
1164300;1434360063;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHe8hHRWIAAG_6z.jpg  "Apologies if you've already seen a raccoon riding an alligator today."
1164301;1434360064;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tni7M3 )
1164302;1434360949;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164104 <<< that is vile
1164303;1434360949;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 01:10:08; BingoBoingo: Fupa Duped https://i.imgur.com/s4OD455.jpg
1164304;1434361133;cazalla;still training BingoBoingo?
1164305;1434361159;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Still working in that direction
1164306;1434361184;cazalla;i had another sober weekend so half way there to a sober month of June
1164307;1434361243;BingoBoingo;Last weekend banged up my knee and wrist pretty bad in a unknown incident while drunk, which lead to a slowdown last week but not a cessation of activities
1164308;1434361305;cazalla;damn, must've been blind
1164309;1434361332;cazalla;i'm feeling so good i even banged the missus twice and here i thought it was cause i long ago grew tired of her, must've been the booze after all
1164310;1434361358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00040363 = 14.672 BTC [+]
1164311;1434361553;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164256 <<< no red onion?
1164312;1434361553;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 06:54:38; punkman: punkman's salad suggestion: purslane, rocket, cherry tomatos and grilled haloumi
1164313;1434361602;cazalla;i don't mind a bit of holy flax too
1164314;1434361667;punkman;flaxseed?
1164315;1434361740;cazalla;nah, Santolina rosmarinifolia
1164316;1434361760;cazalla;they also call it olive herb down under
1164317;1434361861;punkman;don't think I've tried that one
1164318;1434361907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57150 @ 0.00040524 = 23.1595 BTC [+] {2} 
1164319;1434362212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132950 @ 0.00039836 = 52.962 BTC [-] {2} 
1164320;1434362578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63051 @ 0.00040858 = 25.7614 BTC [+] {2} 
1164321;1434363462;cazalla;it pretty much tastes like olives
1164322;1434363615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00041025 = 18.092 BTC [+] {2} 
1164323;1434364347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97857 @ 0.0004103 = 40.1507 BTC [+]
1164324;1434364957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55583 @ 0.0004103 = 22.8057 BTC [+]
1164325;1434366112;jurov;for good measure(and smell) don't forget some bear garlic foliage(allium ursinum).
1164326;1434366726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00040419 = 10.5898 BTC [-]
1164327;1434368068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113050 @ 0.0004103 = 46.3844 BTC [+]
1164328;1434369593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43512 @ 0.00040419 = 17.5871 BTC [-]
1164329;1434370020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67400 @ 0.0004103 = 27.6542 BTC [+]
1164330;1434372460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32388 @ 0.00040419 = 13.0909 BTC [-]
1164331;1434372887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12412 @ 0.00039781 = 4.9376 BTC [-]
1164332;1434373680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88684 @ 0.00041032 = 36.3888 BTC [+] {2} 
1164333;1434374778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68997 @ 0.00040842 = 28.1798 BTC [-]
1164334;1434375073;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu pls to x.eur
1164335;1434375073;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1164336;1434375937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00040842 = 12.6202 BTC [-]
1164337;1434376730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61250 @ 0.00041456 = 25.3918 BTC [+] {2} 
1164338;1434377157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100300 @ 0.00041706 = 41.8311 BTC [+] {2} 
1164339;1434377971;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes best papamobile is two-seat papamobile ! bold (and beautiful) play !
1164340;1434377971;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1164341;1434378010;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo aha yes. wd there !
1164342;1434378010;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1164343;1434378194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97200 @ 0.00040382 = 39.2513 BTC [-] {2} 
1164344;1434379780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00040064 = 17.9687 BTC [-] {2} 
1164345;1434380965;pete_dushenski;" When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."
1164346;1434381008;pete_dushenski;what on earth would possess one to disclose such a thing on a fucking application form, in triplicate...
1164347;1434381038;pete_dushenski;" The man had kept the affair secret from his wife for two decades before disclosing it on the government's innocuously named Standard Form 86 (SF 86), filled out by millions of Americans seeking security clearances. "
1164348;1434381089;pete_dushenski;"The SF 86 form, which is 127-pages long, is extraordinarily comprehensive and intrusive. "
1164349;1434381139;pete_dushenski;of course, the database has been... hacked.
1164350;1434381142;pete_dushenski;by the chinese!
1164351;1434381162;pete_dushenski;or mebbe somalians. tough to say at this point.
1164352;1434381183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157000 @ 0.00041113 = 64.5474 BTC [+] {2} 
1164353;1434381198;punkman;http://fusion.net/story/149831/opm-hack-happened-to-me/  " It is like an Orwell nightmare."
1164354;1434381200;assbot;I am one of the millions affected by the OPM hack | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0F5Ew )
1164355;1434381215;pete_dushenski;punkman: lel
1164356;1434381225;pete_dushenski;""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."
1164357;1434381235;pete_dushenski;no shit sherlock.
1164358;1434381275;pete_dushenski;turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper !
1164359;1434381286;pete_dushenski;seriously, what are the chances of this NOT happening.
1164360;1434381338;pete_dushenski;slim, i'd say.
1164361;1434381475;pete_dushenski;"I’m also worried they are going to identify agents in law enforcement." << exactly the plot of 'spy', this.
1164362;1434381531;pete_dushenski;database hacked by , agent identity and locations revealed, cover blown,
1164363;1434381543;pete_dushenski;*by 'terrorists'
1164364;1434381569;pete_dushenski;only solution is to put landwhale deskjockeys into the field !
1164365;1434381649;jurov;ppl will do anything for 'good' job. i'm fully expecting to see alf grappling with this someday
1164366;1434381664;jurov;access to golden toilet vs. anal probing clearance
1164367;1434381769;punkman;"Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "
1164368;1434381887;pete_dushenski;punkman: eh ? how's that work ?
1164369;1434381936;punkman;I guess you just rename your .tar to .ico
1164370;1434381964;pete_dushenski;"In 2010, LEGO unleashed LEGO Universe, a massive, multiplayer game where builders of all ages could create whatever they wanted on their own digital plots. Well, almost anything: LEGO didn’t want any of the players to endow its online world with penises. After all, it was meant to be a kid-friendly place in which phalluses had no role—even its mini-fig citizens were dickless."
1164371;1434381979;pete_dushenski;heh. 'lego universe' is the un-eulora.
1164372;1434381991;pete_dushenski;punkman: ah ok.
1164373;1434382001;jurov;you were able to build penis in eulora? how?
1164374;1434382006;jurov;*craft
1164375;1434382018;jurov;or show, whatever
1164376;1434382018;pete_dushenski;"Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,� tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"
1164377;1434382037;pete_dushenski;jurov: i was more thinking along the lines of the upskirt angle
1164378;1434382079;pete_dushenski;"We were asked to make dong detection software for LEGO Universe too. We found it to be utterly impossible at any scale.�"
1164379;1434382085;pete_dushenski;lolk this is priceless
1164380;1434382090;pete_dushenski;http://fusion.net/story/143218/lego-universe-had-a-huge-dong-detection-problem-says-former-developer/
1164381;1434382092;assbot;LEGO Universe had a huge 'dong detection' problem, says former developer | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0Icwk )
1164382;1434382102;punkman;heh
1164383;1434382308;punkman;https://bugcrowd.com/programs/points-only "kudos per bug"
1164384;1434382309;assbot;Bugcrowd | Your Elastic Security Team, better security testing through bug bounties and managed security programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0IHqh )
1164385;1434382741;asciilifeform;jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164365 << bit of a contradiction here? 'good job' is precisely where there is a minimum of hours-doing-things/unit-of-pay
1164386;1434382741;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:20:49; jurov: ppl will do anything for 'good' job. i'm fully expecting to see alf grappling with this someday
1164387;1434382781;jurov;why a contradiction? i imagine most jobs at NSA to be such
1164388;1434382797;asciilifeform;jurov: not exactly. they make you work a full shift, for instance.
1164389;1434382803;jurov;aha
1164390;1434382804;asciilifeform;as in, gotta actually show up there
1164391;1434382816;asciilifeform;and without own computer or just about anything but clothes on back
1164392;1434382891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00039707 = 17.8682 BTC [-] {2} 
1164393;1434383049;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164348 << i finally found and read it, for this occasion. found nothing which obviously demands that one disclose a fucktoy as such
1164394;1434383049;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:11:29; pete_dushenski: "The SF 86 form, which is 127-pages long, is extraordinarily comprehensive and intrusive. "
1164395;1434383062;asciilifeform;evidently the derp did this on own free will.
1164396;1434383093;pete_dushenski;just like shrem. just like 17yo isis twerp.
1164397;1434383131;pete_dushenski;they had the choice and made the wrong one.
1164398;1434383135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00041734 = 52.5431 BTC [+]
1164399;1434383154;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164361 << depends on what one means by 'agent.' afaik, mere stoolies don't fill out forms.
1164400;1434383154;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:17:55; pete_dushenski: "I’m also worried they are going to identify agents in law enforcement." << exactly the plot of 'spy', this.
1164401;1434383185;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164367 << where ?
1164402;1434383185;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:22:49; punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "
1164403;1434383213;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164345 << between him and microshit, aha
1164404;1434383213;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:09:25; pete_dushenski: " When a retired 51-year-old military man disclosed in a U.S. security clearance application that he had a 20-year affair with his former college roommate's wife, it was supposed to remain a secret between him and the government."
1164405;1434383256;pete_dushenski;and google, apple, amazon, paypal, banks, etc.
1164406;1434383298;pete_dushenski;as if there were a magical 'great wall' that kept out the mongols behind their keyboards
1164407;1434383379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00041734 = 29.5059 BTC [+]
1164408;1434383415;asciilifeform;from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts
1164409;1434383470;pete_dushenski;sin, passport #, dob alone are likely sufficient from most purposes
1164410;1434383479;pete_dushenski;including loans, no doubt.
1164411;1434383557;asciilifeform;ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.
1164412;1434383560;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-06-2015#1157053
1164413;1434383560;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 04:27:15; asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'
1164414;1434383608;asciilifeform;hence also the utter lack of meaningful asymmetric crypto in bank cards, etc.
1164415;1434383609;pete_dushenski;ah yes, the 'low barrier to entry' policy
1164416;1434383631;pete_dushenski;making loans accessible
1164417;1434383708;pete_dushenski;on the consumer side, there's little need for concern either as it's assumed (since it's been demonstrated in the past) that the scamee will be made whole
1164418;1434383715;pete_dushenski;from whence it matters not.
1164419;1434383726;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this is a grave misconception
1164420;1434383763;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i have not personally scammed in this particular way, but watched colleagues deal with the fallout of 'xxx bought a house in your name'
1164421;1434383768;pete_dushenski;i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.
1164422;1434383773;asciilifeform;it is - at miniumum - a mountain of paperwork, dragging on for years
1164423;1434383797;pete_dushenski;mind you, cc is much smaller scale than mortgage
1164424;1434383808;pete_dushenski;a few hundred vs. a few hundred k
1164425;1434383813;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: lifted cc #s are so routine as to be an automatic writeoff for the bank, unless it was an outlandishly posh cc
1164426;1434383820;asciilifeform;with 100k+ on it
1164427;1434383850;*;pete_dushenski doesn't have amex black or equivalent
1164428;1434383882;asciilifeform;point being, the 'made whole' thing is 1) not guaranteed by any means 2) presupposes that the victim's ~time~ is worth nothing
1164429;1434383888;pete_dushenski;also, time to jet for me. ciao bellas !
1164430;1434384032;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164378 << can we also suppose that there was a 'cunt patrol', which succeeded in its mission and remains secret ?
1164431;1434384032;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:27:59; pete_dushenski: "We were asked to make dong detection software for LEGO Universe too. We found it to be utterly impossible at any scale.�"
1164432;1434384294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00040738 = 37.7641 BTC [-] {2} 
1164433;1434384599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.0003968 = 13.4714 BTC [-] {2} 
1164434;1434384924;punkman;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164367 << where ? << dunno, URL was censored
1164435;1434384924;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:22:49; punkman: "Weird 64MB favicon.ico turning out to be a TAR backup of the whole WP site, downloaded by every browser passing by... "
1164436;1434385514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47013 @ 0.00041643 = 19.5776 BTC [+] {2} 
1164437;1434385697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.01579 = 1.0421 BTC [+]
1164438;1434385819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00041734 = 30.0485 BTC [+]
1164439;1434386795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65341 @ 0.00039629 = 25.894 BTC [-]
1164440;1434389094;menahem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164421 << same happened to me in Chicago. Person balled out at Payless with like $80.
1164441;1434389094;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:56:08; pete_dushenski: i had my credit card number lifted in chicago a few years back, sekoority centre called me to ask about a few purchases, which i hadn't made, they cancelled the card on the spot and refunded me the charges.
1164442;1434390028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00039551 = 32.3725 BTC [-] {2} 
1164443;1434390333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78750 @ 0.00041438 = 32.6324 BTC [+] {2} 
1164444;1434390455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00039545 = 4.9431 BTC [-]
1164445;1434390699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24429 @ 0.0004196 = 10.2504 BTC [+] {2} 
1164446;1434391675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122727 @ 0.00039545 = 48.5324 BTC [-]
1164447;1434392224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223300 @ 0.0004241 = 94.7015 BTC [+] {4} 
1164448;1434392407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00039545 = 16.4507 BTC [-]
1164449;1434392692;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39xdf3/bitstamp_withdrawal_17_days_and_counting_no/ << burnside resurfaces
1164450;1434392902;mircea_popescu;i  take it the unsolicited redrawing of mpex on toilet paper by kindergartners did not end up selling for the "very modest" five digit figure he had in... for lack of a better term, mind ?
1164451;1434393627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125433 @ 0.000419 = 52.5564 BTC [+]
1164452;1434393688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2542 @ 0.000419 = 1.0651 BTC [+]
1164453;1434393739;mircea_popescu;http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/05/17/sailor-death-bahrain-balcony-farragut/27483591/
1164454;1434393743;assbot;Sailor dies in Bahrain after fall from balcony ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz6N0t )
1164455;1434394367;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#comment-114533 << people still working on the ~fallout~ :D from that article.
1164456;1434394369;assbot;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz7Op3 )
1164457;1434394464;mircea_popescu;seriously, as far as the "public opinion" is concenred, "there exists a weapon that has never been used on account of it being too effectual". something that happened with nothing never, the celts used iron weapons and the europeans used machine guns and everything in between that actually worked and was actually useful was actually used. and not a little used. USED. ubiquitously used, the franks re-engineered their en
1164458;1434394464;mircea_popescu;tire societal relations to make room for the horse on the battlefield.
1164459;1434394466;mircea_popescu;and yet...
1164460;1434394778;mircea_popescu;ugh... wrong fucking link. i meant http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#comment-114526
1164461;1434394778;assbot;On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz8yuy )
1164462;1434394832;Naphex;!up dooglus
1164463;1434394882;mircea_popescu;and in Naphex news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrmr7k6kpn1qd2dcwo1_r1_500.gif
1164464;1434394883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz8J99 )
1164465;1434394900;Naphex;:))
1164466;1434394908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76129 @ 0.00041556 = 31.6362 BTC [-] {4} 
1164467;1434394909;mircea_popescu;lol
1164468;1434395121;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164079 << it certainly is more mind altering than a long term alcohol habit.
1164469;1434395121;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 00:25:07; jurov: "Also, programmers can also attest to the fact that long-term coding is very much a tantric, mind-altering endeavor."
1164470;1434395180;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164089 << because you're not on the stuff the guy's smoking
1164471;1434395180;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 00:32:11; jurov: dunno why I find it so funny
1164472;1434395185;ben_vulpes;mebbe in that it'll drive you insane..
1164473;1434395204;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164101 << lul WHAT THE SHIT
1164474;1434395204;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 01:03:44; asciilifeform: 'Shortly thereafter, officers who had been working undercover to catch citizens attempting to self-serve, swarmed in to arrest the mostly nude man – but not before Mapes took down 3 of the 6 officers by himself.'
1164475;1434395234;mircea_popescu;how is "working undercover" what you do when you sit around in a gas station "trying to catch people who self serve" ? this isn't even lance corporal, whaty officer.
1164476;1434395237;BingoBoingo;https://falkvinge.net/2015/06/15/launching-new-reporting-service-682-writers-editors-managers-wanted-for-part-time-yes-youll-get-paid-and-paid-well-launch-now-operational-in-q3/ << lol qntra ripoff
1164477;1434395237;assbot;Launching New Reporting Service – 682 Writers, Editors, Managers Wanted For Part-Time. Yes, You’ll Get Paid, And Paid Well. Launch Now, Operational In Q3. - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  ... ( http://bit.ly/1cWAUfC )
1164478;1434395262;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for as long as fiat financing lasts, everyone gets to pretend they're the most serene republic.
1164479;1434395274;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes exactly what i meant.
1164480;1434395296;BingoBoingo;"publishes all news as shareable images, thereby bypassing a large number of restrictions and limitations, not needing clickbait, and being immune to adblock – but also paying people well, using bitcoin" << And completely ignoring the MP doesn't read text as images
1164481;1434395375;mircea_popescu;lol immune to adblock.
1164482;1434395390;mircea_popescu;"we've seen teh weird web technologies deployed on 8chan last month and we figure it's actual magic"
1164483;1434395521;mircea_popescu;anyway, someone should tell falkvinge to gtfo in here and stop being retarded.
1164484;1434395532;mircea_popescu;he's not THIS stupid, no need to fake it.
1164485;1434395614;BingoBoingo;Dude prolly figures since oldmedia pays him more attention than it does mp, that he can just mash two mp ideas together and herptiy derp and whistle while he twerks
1164486;1434395629;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164125 << sounds just like pretty much every smart woman ever. what exactly is "failed " ?
1164487;1434395629;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 02:47:59; decimation: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557568/I-love-girl--Im-control-boasts-fallen-child-genius.html < smart folks are maybe also not always wise?
1164488;1434395688;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo maybe. there should be a new word, "low functioning intelligence". the exact counterparty to high functioning autism
1164489;1434395698;mircea_popescu;when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain.
1164490;1434395770;BingoBoingo;Sounds like an actual problem. I'd consider tossing him an invite, but he's a complete stranger. All I know him as is the pirate trying to make a qntra... but special needs.
1164491;1434395805;mircea_popescu;he had some rather on point comments re bitcoin's end game in 2012
1164492;1434395812;mircea_popescu;i think i even commented on his site at some point
1164493;1434395823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69850 @ 0.0004107 = 28.6874 BTC [-]
1164494;1434395914;BingoBoingo;I have vaguely familair with the name being said places, but the context is unknown to me.
1164495;1434396078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???".
1164496;1434396078;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 03:24:29; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163996 < but what is the altnerative to the state?
1164497;1434396092;mircea_popescu;needn't have "an alternative to monarchy" in terms monarchy'd comprehend. ditto re state.
1164498;1434396128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88930 @ 0.00042374 = 37.6832 BTC [+] {2} 
1164499;1434396134;mircea_popescu;the proposition that "religion === morality" or "state===society" or "monarchy===worldview" etc is so much smarmy pretense.
1164500;1434396149;mircea_popescu;if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice.
1164501;1434396189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3970 @ 0.00042581 = 1.6905 BTC [+]
1164502;1434396311;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164143 << the state is neither.
1164503;1434396311;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 03:32:36; decimation: sure, but in the end they all involve a peice of actual real estate with an actual physical structure
1164504;1434396326;BingoBoingo;!Up HeySteve
1164505;1434396327;scoopbot_revived;France Demands Google Extend "Right to be Forgotten" to Global Domains http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-demands-google-extend-right-to-be-forgotten-to-global-domains/
1164506;1434396351;HeySteve;hey, thanks BingoBoingo
1164507;1434396351;mircea_popescu;it pretends, and apparently convincingly, to be either or both, but it is neither. for that matter, koreans believe "the party" is equal to "the atmosphere". what of it.
1164508;1434396359;mircea_popescu;how goes.
1164509;1434396383;HeySteve;well thanks, how are you?
1164510;1434396394;mircea_popescu;not bad.
1164511;1434396423;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164147 << you will know the leper by his sores. "the state" is any arrangement which pretends that the use of violence is under "its" monopoly.
1164512;1434396423;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 03:37:49; decimation: not a literal us state here, state = government
1164513;1434396432;mircea_popescu;this has exactly zero to do with governance in the general case.
1164514;1434396441;HeySteve;today's luls courtesy of America: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-15/lying-white-african-american-naacp-president-resigns-shocked-focus-her-race
1164515;1434396442;assbot;Lying White 'African American' NAACP President Resigns Shocked By Focus On Her Race | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igdfzu )
1164516;1434396481;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164153 << im not even sure.
1164517;1434396481;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 03:42:37; decimation: but someone has to claim the land, and people need a place to sleep
1164518;1434396495;BingoBoingo;!up ag3nt_zer0
1164519;1434396502;ag3nt_zer0;thanks!
1164520;1434396512;mircea_popescu;iroquis worked fine without anyone "claiming the land". fine enough for the us to try and copy off them everything they didn't understand from french anyway
1164521;1434396532;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, "Google has made undeniably made an effort"  remove the first 'made' ?
1164522;1434396603;danielpbarron;also, "whether its has" should be 'it' ?
1164523;1434396658;ag3nt_zer0;question: does it matter what email provider I use for GPG setup? I tried to set it up with Tutanota but cannot set it up with thunderbird and enigmail which i suspected but wasn't sure until I tried... I shudder to maintain any connection to google or yahoo, but does it matter with GPG?
1164524;1434396720;mircea_popescu;if you run gpg correctrly, whic his to say locally, use plaintext email
1164525;1434397078;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164175 << he is wrong. the state becomes necessary when people who aren't willing to kill if it comes to it wish to pretend they're still people.
1164526;1434397078;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 03:51:29; funkenstein_: malcolm x says the state becomes necessary when one needs to separate those who have from those who have not
1164527;1434397133;HeySteve;sounds like the justification for a communist state
1164528;1434397166;mircea_popescu;it does ?
1164529;1434397173;ag3nt_zer0;ok ty mircea_popescu I am pretty confused... I have been following contravex guide - so is that preparing me to run locally? Or is utilizing enigmail through thunderbird attached to a gmail account no longer local? And is it just more secure to use plaintext over html? So much to learn...
1164530;1434397202;mircea_popescu;anyway, malcom x correctly identified "the state is this thing which fucks us over", but he thought it's about money (ie, what he didn't have) rather than about cocksize (ie, what the people actually employing it didn't have).
1164531;1434397223;mircea_popescu;whenever you see a cripple walking on a crutch, it's a good idea to think the crutch as compensation for HIS shortcoming, not yours.
1164532;1434397238;mircea_popescu;this, of course, is still uncharted territory in the mental map of the fifth millenium.
1164533;1434397261;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: Just encrypt and then paste into a mail client
1164534;1434397269;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 the fewer things involved, the less available to break.  and yes, what he said.
1164535;1434397277;ag3nt_zer0;ok thanks guys
1164536;1434397278;mircea_popescu;we routinely pass messages here as dpaste for instance
1164537;1434397287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31275 @ 0.00042581 = 13.3172 BTC [+]
1164538;1434397311;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: But mail client beats webmail, because webmail fuck up line endings and spacing
1164539;1434397354;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: Claws is a good email client, but do your email writing and reading outside of it and encrypt/decrypt outside of it
1164540;1434397374;BingoBoingo;Don't want plaintext leaking into your drafts folder...
1164541;1434397433;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Both fixed
1164542;1434397467;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164195 << no, obama's daughters have signed up to suck my cock when they were born. i signed nothing.
1164543;1434397467;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 04:02:58; funkenstein_: to quote noone you are likely to consider sane, you signed up when you chose to be born
1164544;1434397470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00042601 = 21.62 BTC [+] {2} 
1164545;1434397471;mircea_popescu;see how nicely this works ?
1164546;1434397480;mircea_popescu;also the jews signed to like gas when they were born.
1164547;1434397485;ag3nt_zer0;ok, thanks for the help guys, and please forgive the derpage, but I suppose this means do not use something like the enigmail add-on?
1164548;1434397503;ag3nt_zer0;I will check out claws too thanks BingoBoingo
1164549;1434397505;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 you'd be the first one here to use it.
1164550;1434397537;asciilifeform;what's with the folks who 'need' the automated email-pgp things? are they still using 2-button mice ?
1164551;1434397545;ag3nt_zer0;hehe
1164552;1434397547;trinque;what's a mouse
1164553;1434397566;asciilifeform;trinque: that thing you sometimes use to move crud between x11 terms
1164554;1434397573;trinque;haha, oh right
1164555;1434397575;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i doubt most people realise security is not an app
1164556;1434397597;BingoBoingo;Also one of the greatest weapons of the shitgnomes is burying people in bad choices
1164557;1434397614;mircea_popescu;hey, it worked for wallmart...
1164558;1434397628;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not quite. all the 'bad choices' are really many faces of one god, upon the most casual examination
1164559;1434397654;mircea_popescu;that sounds pretty jewish
1164560;1434397675;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course, but what is one to do when they first encounter berries in the wilderness?
1164561;1434397684;ag3nt_zer0;So I got a raspberry pi and am hoping that noodling around with this device will correct some of these fundamental misunderstanding I have...
1164562;1434397689;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: look for the dead animals ?
1164563;1434397699;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Russian are prettty well culturally jewish.
1164564;1434397706;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: what is it that you want to learn?
1164565;1434397707;mircea_popescu;esp in odessa
1164566;1434397710;asciilifeform;aga
1164567;1434397744;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's nature the dead animals don't last long before other animals see the phree protein
1164568;1434397779;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164500 << not quite. in unstable 'racial yugoslavias' like usa, 'state' is the apex predator. if it goes to sleep for just one day - the place burns
1164569;1434397779;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 19:22:29; mircea_popescu: if the state went away tomorrow nobody'd even notice.
1164570;1434397792;decimation;how would the iroquis mint chips? how would they arrange for more than 5000 humans per sq mile?
1164571;1434397804;asciilifeform;50
1164572;1434397817;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164216 << the difference between jewish religion and communism is slight. the pretense christianity is anything but an (intellectually lesser) jewish sect is ridoinculous. and so here we go.
1164573;1434397817;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 04:14:07; decimation: trinque: note that many people would replace orthodox Christianity with some kind of warmed-over socialism, that doesn't make their socialism Christianity (as loudly as they might protest otherwise)
1164574;1434397846;mircea_popescu;decimation are you putting formal constraints on human happiness noiw ?
1164575;1434397859;ag3nt_zer0;Trinque, well some basic programming would be a good place to start I think... a more fundamental understanding of the history of the cypherpunk movement, encrytion fundamentals, etc, anything that will allow me to be something more than a slave
1164576;1434397861;decimation;all human happiness is relative
1164577;1434397862;mircea_popescu;"how would they solve the prob lem solved by chips" ios one question.
1164578;1434397868;mircea_popescu;"How would they make X" is another.
1164579;1434397921;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: how did you come to the notion that a closed turd of a platform such as 'raspberry' is a good starting point for learning programming ?
1164580;1434397970;ag3nt_zer0;Asciilifeform: magickally I think
1164581;1434397974;mircea_popescu;lol
1164582;1434397980;mircea_popescu;!gettrust ag3nt_zer0
1164583;1434397980;assbot;ag3nt_zer0 is not registered in WoT.
1164584;1434397989;mircea_popescu;i guess you can't do that till you sort gpg huh
1164585;1434397995;ag3nt_zer0;no working on it haha yeah
1164586;1434397995;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: TI-89 is probably a better platform for play computing
1164587;1434398002;asciilifeform;ag3nt_zer0: may i suggest a change in magicks ? have a stern talk with your amulet supplier.
1164588;1434398015;trinque;!b 1
1164589;1434398016;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33KY7Y9.txt )
1164590;1434398036;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the -89 in production for the past 7 or so years is a steaming pile of shit
1164591;1434398047;ag3nt_zer0;asciilifeform: yes working out the LSD kinks
1164592;1434398051;asciilifeform;imagine, a calculator with a boot time!
1164593;1434398052;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hence Ebay
1164594;1434398069;BingoBoingo;Why would anyone buy a "new" "calculator"
1164595;1434398086;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: same reason why a winblows box. 'it's what they had in the shop'
1164596;1434398196;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164495 << no one actually asks 'what is the alternative to state.' what they are really asking is 'what, in your cosmography, is to be the means whereby i get fed, roofed, and far away from bloodthirsty cannibals like before ?' and if the answer is 'you don't, fuck you, biodiesel' don't expect a 'thank you' from the interlocutor
1164597;1434398196;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 19:21:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164136 << the question is misstated in that it assumes an alternative is needed. "what is the alternative to bell bottoms???".
1164598;1434398207;mircea_popescu;tough.
1164599;1434398234;mircea_popescu;might as well ask "what in your cosmography, maps the thing that ensures my eternal life past the pearly gates"
1164600;1434398245;mircea_popescu;i am not responsible for the subjective delusion of inquirers.
1164601;1434398250;*;trinque ends up playing blockdude
1164602;1434398257;asciilifeform;nah they're just interested in earthly life past next tuesday
1164603;1434398262;mircea_popescu;nope
1164604;1434398263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00042603 = 22.963 BTC [+]
1164605;1434398271;mircea_popescu;they just discuss it in those tersm, inappropriately.
1164606;1434398281;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, they are discussing salvation in the reliugious sense
1164607;1434398296;asciilifeform;imho this deserves a little elaboration, if there is 'space in this margin'
1164608;1434398314;asciilifeform;most folks i encounter in usa are elementarily concerned with cannibals
1164609;1434398317;asciilifeform;very practical problem
1164610;1434398340;mircea_popescu;yeah. what you don't know is that the concept of "cannibals" is alike the concept that "niggers are by nature made to be slaves"
1164611;1434398342;asciilifeform;nothing theological about it
1164612;1434398343;mircea_popescu;came from the same place, too.
1164613;1434398346;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1164614;1434398351;mircea_popescu;guess the place it came from
1164615;1434398355;mircea_popescu;starts with m and ends in y
1164616;1434398393;asciilifeform;actually it comes from observable ground. i can walk for an hour right now and end in a place from which would have even chances of coming back.
1164617;1434398409;mircea_popescu;not so observable. antrhopologically speaking, the behaviour in question is beyond rare.
1164618;1434398422;asciilifeform;about as rare as pedestrians run over by bus
1164619;1434398425;decimation;ascii could also ride a nearby train in a certain direction and be the only member of his race aboard
1164620;1434398432;asciilifeform;most pedestrians, at most times, are able to stay out of under the bus.
1164621;1434398434;trinque;east coast cities really do suck
1164622;1434398437;mircea_popescu;in the european cultural discourse it ended up as a bit of editorializing by people without a daily mail, looking to illustrate the idiocy they read in some book.
1164623;1434398452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. about as rare as women giving birth to buses.
1164624;1434398454;asciilifeform;decimation: for this, i don't need the train. live there.
1164625;1434398493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no dispute that the state creates that place it supposedly defends you from.
1164626;1434398499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: of course.
1164627;1434398506;mircea_popescu;christianity ended up creating on earht the hell it was going to save people from
1164628;1434398507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: none of what i describe here existed in 1950.
1164629;1434398508;mircea_popescu;communism ditto.
1164630;1434398510;mircea_popescu;it's just a thing
1164631;1434398531;asciilifeform;but it ~is~ here now.
1164632;1434398539;decimation;except those 'christians' were departing from orthodox doctrine
1164633;1434398543;mircea_popescu;sucks.
1164634;1434398554;mircea_popescu;decimation oh, comrade stalin betrayed the sacred ideals ?
1164635;1434398558;mircea_popescu;tell me more.tiff
1164636;1434398605;decimation;more like, they became closet atheists and decided to use the church as a propaganda organ
1164637;1434398629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10807 @ 0.00042554 = 4.5988 BTC [-]
1164638;1434398632;mircea_popescu;but the church is funfamentally good amirite? just it was misimplemented in practice.
1164639;1434398639;mircea_popescu;hitler for pope!
1164640;1434398681;decimation;people are fundamentally evil and so are their institutions
1164641;1434398699;mircea_popescu;some institutions are necessarily going to fuck up because they proceed from broken presumptions.
1164642;1434398708;mircea_popescu;christianity is one of them.
1164643;1434398749;decimation;if you read the old testament, most of the people who became prophets were hit upside the head by God and told what to do, they weren't bureaucrats receiving their sinecures
1164644;1434398760;mircea_popescu;(and yes as alf points out, the "broken presumptions" are always faces of the same demon. "people are equal", his proper name)
1164645;1434398761;trinque;"There is an ultimate power you can know and derive knowledge from directly, and his son absolved you of every mistake you could ever make." << fucking mind virus
1164646;1434398777;trinque;the one short-circuits learning and the other justifies it
1164647;1434398804;mircea_popescu;trinque interesting, we have different criteria ?
1164648;1434398805;asciilifeform;trinque: this particular virus only works on those who are immunocompromised to begin with
1164649;1434398816;asciilifeform;like the oddball flora which infest aids patient
1164650;1434398839;trinque;mircea_popescu: maybe, how so?
1164651;1434398842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, in aids patients virulence does not follow the usual curves.
1164652;1434398852;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah, got me young, still didn't take
1164653;1434398871;mircea_popescu;which is to say : interacting microorganisms sorta repress each other, all the time. but in imunocompromised patient, DIFFERENT set has the upper hand
1164654;1434398904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, because now it is a contest of who can eat the meat faster, rather than who can evade immune mechanism
1164655;1434398915;mircea_popescu;it's not just "more" or "random". it's actually different sets.
1164656;1434398925;asciilifeform;sorta like the dynamics of ecosystem of criminals after, rather than before, demise of mega-state
1164657;1434398934;asciilifeform;(to bring it back to usaschwitz thread)
1164658;1434398934;mircea_popescu;well, partly that, partly "there's no longer the state here to clean out x y z and make it livable for K M N so Q W R win out"
1164659;1434398967;decimation;so, for good reasons many choose the state they know
1164660;1434398976;decimation;instead of the bandits they don't
1164661;1434399059;mircea_popescu;works fine for as long as they're happy with it
1164662;1434399075;mircea_popescu;the junkie with fifty pounds of pure heroin stashed away isn't going out in the streets either.
1164663;1434399127;asciilifeform;to paraphrase mr rumsfeld, 'you get raped by the state you have, not the state you wish you had'
1164664;1434399146;trinque;I don't remember choosing a state
1164665;1434399150;asciilifeform;aha
1164666;1434399150;decimation;or 'post-monarchial non-state' as the case may be
1164667;1434399174;asciilifeform;but the question is normally a kind of hypothetical, 'would you like usg or the orcs with pitchforks'
1164668;1434399190;asciilifeform;usually folks answer 'usg says 'your money or your life', orcs say 'your life'; hence usg'
1164669;1434399200;mircea_popescu;as such it is misstated, in the manner owners of slavegirls misstate the world to the slavegirls.
1164670;1434399212;mircea_popescu;"would you like the beatings here or to be run over by a bus ???"
1164671;1434399215;mircea_popescu;welllll....
1164672;1434399220;trinque;biggest contribution to choosing a state most people can make is saying "nope, not this one"
1164673;1434399226;decimation;asciilifeform: what's the alternative?  gentle bandits? usg with 'reform'?
1164674;1434399233;asciilifeform;trinque: even this is beyond the abilities of most
1164675;1434399240;mircea_popescu;stepping out of the idiotology.
1164676;1434399242;trinque;eh they can in aggregate, just don't know it
1164677;1434399249;asciilifeform;decimation: last i checked, there is not a button on my desk that cancels usg
1164678;1434399251;trinque;or forget time to time
1164679;1434399279;asciilifeform;trinque: 'can in aggregate' like the chinese can jump and create earthquake, yes
1164680;1434399282;asciilifeform;which is to say not.
1164681;1434399327;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> stepping out of the idiotology << what does this consist of in practice ?
1164682;1434399354;mircea_popescu;i run into this question a lot. "just stop" "how ?" "by not doing it" "but i don't know how!!1"
1164683;1434399371;mircea_popescu;usually it's resolved with "if you ever do this again im going to beat you with a wet dulap"
1164684;1434399398;asciilifeform;i notice a tendency among #b-a folks to dwell on 'convince folks to leave gravity well.' well, guess what, i was convinced 15+ yrs ago, before ever met you lot. and fat lot of good it did
1164685;1434399409;asciilifeform;one needs the means as well as the will.
1164686;1434399422;mircea_popescu;when there's a means there's a will or how was it
1164687;1434399436;trinque;"where there's a will there's a way" ?
1164688;1434399450;mircea_popescu;i think "when there's a butthole there's a plug"
1164689;1434399455;trinque;lol
1164690;1434399462;asciilifeform;tell that to the fellow writhing in the leather straps on electric chair
1164691;1434399478;mircea_popescu;i'm just the man to do that, too. so yeah, i will.
1164692;1434399503;trinque;"You can do it!" "Manifest your destiny, brother!"
1164693;1434399511;trinque;bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzpppppttttssss!
1164694;1434399520;trinque;"Hm... alright bring in the next one!"
1164695;1434399543;mircea_popescu;mno, more like, "well... you are aware the alternative would have been being eaten by cannibals right ???"
1164696;1434399605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30563 @ 0.00042554 = 13.0058 BTC [-]
1164697;1434399641;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164230 << yep
1164698;1434399641;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 04:33:18; funkenstein_: trinque, indeed.  sounds like a small statement but you have just affirmed something big methinks
1164699;1434399682;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164299 <<< ahahah what the fuck
1164700;1434399682;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 09:17:46; scoopbot_revived: CoinJar COO Ryan Zhou Caught Impersonating Dice Site's Developer http://qntra.net/2015/06/coinjar-coo-ryan-zhou-caught-impersonating-dice-sites-developer/
1164701;1434399712;mircea_popescu;so basically... a lot of "different people" who are actually all the same guy compose a community which spent years accusing me of being hanbot ?
1164702;1434399852;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164306 << at this rate you'll end up with a mistress.
1164703;1434399852;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 09:39:44; cazalla: i had another sober weekend so half way there to a sober month of June
1164704;1434399910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61837 @ 0.00041476 = 25.6475 BTC [-]
1164705;1434400114;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164356 << kind of ? heh.
1164706;1434400114;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:13:45; pete_dushenski: ""It's kind of scary that somebody could know that much about us," said a former senior U.S. diplomat, pointing out the ability to use such data to impersonate an American official online, obtain passwords and plunder bank accounts."
1164707;1434400120;mircea_popescu;get used to it, flondors.
1164708;1434400196;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164358 << more importantly, turns out that when you work for the usg, you sign your own prison sentence / death warrant.
1164709;1434400196;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:14:35; pete_dushenski: turns out that when you spill the beans to a piece of paper in a drawer, someone can go in and read that piece of paper !
1164710;1434400329;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164376 << isn't megan fox that porn cyborg woman ?
1164711;1434400329;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:26:58; pete_dushenski: "Management “wanted a creative building MMO [massively multiplayer online-game] with a promise of zero penises seen,� tweeted Megan Fox, a developer who worked on the project,"
1164712;1434400440;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164399 << "one who gets paid."
1164713;1434400440;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 15:45:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164361 << depends on what one means by 'agent.' afaik, mere stoolies don't fill out forms.
1164714;1434401496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3163 @ 0.00041649 = 1.3174 BTC [+]
1164715;1434401862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00041109 = 10.6883 BTC [-]
1164716;1434402338;BingoBoingo;herpity derp derp http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34206292/
1164717;1434402339;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgtE7f )
1164718;1434402777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00041109 = 10.4828 BTC [-]
1164719;1434403265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42165 @ 0.00041109 = 17.3336 BTC [-]
1164720;1434403284;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164712 << know that almost all folks paid by usg fill out no forms like these.
1164721;1434403284;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 20:34:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164399 << "one who gets paid."
1164722;1434403340;asciilifeform;speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other
1164723;1434403356;asciilifeform;(e.g., old residences, employers, blood relatives, marriages, etc)
1164724;1434403370;trinque;~or~ why doesn't the NSA file my taxes?
1164725;1434403389;asciilifeform;what remains after these are subtracted is some very wooden 'list the terrorist orgs you have been a member in, and why' verbiage
1164726;1434403394;asciilifeform;(literally! read the thing)
1164727;1434403402;trinque;and why lol
1164728;1434403449;asciilifeform;(btw the answer, at least partially, for 'why they don't consult the files' is that what the inquisitors are mainly interested in is ~liars~ rather than the facts)
1164729;1434403456;asciilifeform;ditto the tax collectors
1164730;1434403466;asciilifeform;(if 'nsa filed your tax,' who would ever pay fines ?)
1164731;1434404668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125462 @ 0.00042366 = 53.1532 BTC [+] {2} 
1164732;1434406010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148032 @ 0.00042603 = 63.0661 BTC [+]
1164733;1434407219;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo of course, the truly ridiculous thing in that inept flailing of two different groups of idiots with 100 BTC in the middle is the proposition that btc-e stealing user funds is "what any legitimate busines would have done".
1164734;1434407230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00042664 = 34.3659 BTC [+] {2} 
1164735;1434407242;mircea_popescu;must be in backwards world, this magical place where "official replies" go to reddit and tardstalk.
1164736;1434407596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108000 @ 0.00041164 = 44.4571 BTC [-]
1164737;1434408206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00042828 = 26.3178 BTC [+] {3} 
1164738;1434410158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00042458 = 15.1575 BTC [-]
1164739;1434410768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00042458 = 26.1541 BTC [-]
1164740;1434411256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67764 @ 0.00042771 = 28.9833 BTC [+]
1164741;1434414001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00042884 = 1.5867 BTC [+]
1164742;1434414733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53606 @ 0.00042852 = 22.9712 BTC [-] {2} 
1164743;1434415648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00042954 = 9.9653 BTC [+] {2} 
1164744;1434417917;danielpbarron;!up sundance
1164745;1434418086;mircea_popescu;ehehe
1164746;1434418093;mircea_popescu;nice netmask.
1164747;1434418505;mircea_popescu;and in highschool news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb73p2TaLz1rq6vz1o1_500.gif
1164748;1434418507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiCe2 )
1164749;1434418576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24472 @ 0.00042458 = 10.3903 BTC [-]
1164750;1434418733;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164722 < it's a good question.  in fact, a careful reading of the form is interesting not for the stupid questions it asks but the large gaps it doesn't ask about
1164751;1434418733;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 21:22:20; asciilifeform: speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other
1164752;1434418773;decimation;it seems that most of the 'security apparatus' of usg is geared toward catching dumb or incompetent spies
1164753;1434418794;decimation;apparently like it is also geared to catch dumb terrorists
1164754;1434418854;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811885 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811886
1164755;1434418854;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2014 04:09:34; asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.
1164756;1434418854;assbot;Logged on 27-08-2014 04:10:26; asciilifeform: notably absent from menu is 'retain army of thugs who know that spheres are interestingly secret'
1164757;1434419064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00042346 = 10.2054 BTC [-] {3} 
1164758;1434419186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103600 @ 0.00043048 = 44.5977 BTC [+] {3} 
1164759;1434421077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00041543 = 15.4955 BTC [-]
1164760;1434421173;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> how is "working undercover" what you do when you << couldn't possibly be real. lulzy satire of the state of the state tho
1164761;1434421273;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain. << or insists, operating under a complete lack of evidence that "it can't possibly keep going on like this much longer!"
1164762;1434421493;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> that sounds pretty jewish << he's probably the most jewish jew in here - endlessly pessimistic about everything, everything costs $maxint, gurls are unreadable, and practically a talmudic scholar to boot
1164763;1434421523;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> esp in odessa << ehe late as always, i am
1164764;1434421992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111450 @ 0.00043169 = 48.1119 BTC [+]
1164765;1434422419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19863 @ 0.00041543 = 8.2517 BTC [-]
1164766;1434422897;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164552 << i rarely if ever use a mouse. I'm a big fan of the rubber nub in the center of the keyboard, even if it is the reason my 'b' key fell off and later stopped working
1164767;1434422897;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 19:45:47; trinque: what's a mouse
1164768;1434423212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00043095 = 17.669 BTC [+] {3} 
1164769;1434423550;ben_vulpes;dpb's a clit tickler!
1164770;1434423565;trinque;ehehe
1164771;1434423578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00043293 = 14.6114 BTC [+]
1164772;1434424072;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164762 << i've been known to introduce myself as a 'gassing jew'
1164773;1434424072;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 02:24:53; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> that sounds pretty jewish << he's probably the most jewish jew in here - endlessly pessimistic about everything, everything costs $maxint, gurls are unreadable, and practically a talmudic scholar to boot
1164774;1434424086;asciilifeform;(which is to say, one who is good for more or less entirely that)
1164775;1434424694;Adlai;isn't the primary purpose of a jew the production of more jews?
1164776;1434424967;ben_vulpes;there is a "silent dance party" occuring at the park down the street
1164777;1434424976;ben_vulpes;many many people with headphones dancing to music only they can hear
1164778;1434424977;ben_vulpes;in time
1164779;1434424990;ben_vulpes;this was less eerie two nights ago at 1 in the morning.
1164780;1434425036;Adlai;one of my less aspirational friends worked for a while repairing wifi headphones for such parties
1164781;1434425050;ben_vulpes;i think these are straight up radio
1164782;1434425051;ben_vulpes;might be wrong
1164783;1434425088;Adlai;he has since moved up in life, last i heard he cancelled a return ticket from the west coast to stick around and carve surfeboards
1164784;1434425217;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164775 << and that's another thing from the long list of 'jew things' that i have no truck with
1164785;1434425217;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 03:18:14; Adlai: isn't the primary purpose of a jew the production of more jews?
1164786;1434425348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21455 @ 0.00041116 = 8.8214 BTC [-] {2} 
1164787;1434425540;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164780 << would be interesting to broadcast custom message to these folks.
1164788;1434425540;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 03:23:56; Adlai: one of my less aspirational friends worked for a while repairing wifi headphones for such parties
1164789;1434425585;Adlai;fwiw ben_vulpes i distinctly remember him saying "wifi", although it could be that different manufacturers use different technologies
1164790;1434425603;Adlai;and this was a few years back. haven't seen many of those 'parties' since then, either
1164791;1434425695;Adlai;'jew things' is such a game of broken telephone, it's amazing how people survived without deedbots
1164792;1434425695;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1164793;1434425713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44555 @ 0.00042275 = 18.8356 BTC [+] {2} 
1164794;1434426089;decimation;schneier lulz: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/06/encrypting_wind.html < "Encrypting your Windows hard drives is trivially easy; choosing which program to use is annoyingly difficult. I still use Windows -- yes, I know, don't even start -- and have intimate experience with this issue."
1164795;1434426091;assbot;Encrypting Windows Hard Drives - Schneier on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1R2Rmsl )
1164796;1434426153;decimation;seems to me that he's going senile
1164797;1434426169;decimation;maybe next week he will be complaining about the damn mailman
1164798;1434426307;Adlai;"a king has his reign and then he dies"
1164799;1434426314;mod6;man writes a defacto encryption encyclopedia, uses windows.
1164800;1434426319;mod6;other man creates a crypto-currency, uses windows and MFC.
1164801;1434426325;mod6;staggers the imagination
1164802;1434426343;decimation;actually, what it says to me is that the alternatives are dead
1164803;1434426349;Adlai;satoshi must've "known better"
1164804;1434426370;Adlai;his using msvc was just like writing the note with your non-dominant hand
1164805;1434426377;decimation;as ascii said, they probably use winblows because that's what they sell at the computer store
1164806;1434426408;decimation;adlai: he ported functions from mfc into bitcoin utils.cpp
1164807;1434426442;decimation;the man knew cpp-boost-mfc-ese
1164808;1434426450;Adlai;so? i'll copypaste the navyseals copypasta, doesn't mean i know how to triforce
1164809;1434426474;decimation;my point being, he picked his tools, stuck with them
1164810;1434426482;decimation;it's hard for me to begrudge a man that
1164811;1434427116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45769 @ 0.00041034 = 18.7809 BTC [-] {2} 
1164812;1434427421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00042177 = 6.9381 BTC [+]
1164813;1434427458;asciilifeform;decimation: schneier is a worrisome case because he was - very clearly - a genuine fighter against usg who later ended up on enemy side.
1164814;1434427468;asciilifeform;and no one seems to know precisely how/why
1164815;1434427479;asciilifeform;or even approximately when.
1164816;1434427495;decimation;maybe his fight was always at least partially a show
1164817;1434427511;asciilifeform;one hell of a show.
1164818;1434427523;decimation;now as an old man, he can't sustain it
1164819;1434427745;asciilifeform;'http://www.twitter.com/Tweet_a_bad_word_about_an_american_corporation_and_most_of_your_tweets_get_hidden_from_view' << from server logs
1164820;1434427849;decimation;duh, first rule of marketing club is don't talk about marketing club
1164821;1434428003;decimation;asciilifeform:  http://ams.org/notices/200708/tx070800972p.pdf
1164822;1434428005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUx57Q )
1164823;1434428021;decimation;it's a good paper about the pointlessness of provability in crypto
1164824;1434428027;asciilifeform;^ classic
1164825;1434428031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00042177 = 3.9435 BTC [+]
1164826;1434428031;asciilifeform;and iirc i linked it here.
1164827;1434428034;decimation;aye, I think so too
1164828;1434428060;asciilifeform;students of elliptic curve crypto should find herr koblitz familiar name
1164829;1434428084;decimation;"Once I heard a speaker from NSA complain about university researchers who are cavalier about proposing untested cryptosystems. He pointed out that in the real world if your cryptography fails, you lose a million dollars or your secret agent gets killed. In academia, if you write about a cryptosystem and then a few months later find a way to break it, you've got two new papers to add to your résumé!"
1164830;1434428121;decimation;beware the academics baring 'ideas'
1164831;1434428146;asciilifeform;decimation: yet another illustration of 'q: how do you know usg stooge is lying? a: his lips are moving'
1164832;1434428169;asciilifeform;in the 'real world', 'your cryptography fails' sometimes leads to fat bribes in the form of business-as-usual from usg masters.
1164833;1434428204;asciilifeform;all you gotta do is be the right usg catamite.
1164834;1434428232;asciilifeform;!up referredbyloper
1164835;1434428315;decimation;in one of his papers koblitz complains that the only thing 'cryptographers' care about is finding nifty new one-way functions
1164836;1434428335;asciilifeform;it would be interesting to witness a post-purse cryptographic academia community
1164837;1434428337;decimation;instead of trying to model and criticize anything resembling real-world crypto
1164838;1434428339;asciilifeform;*purge
1164839;1434428362;asciilifeform;picture if the usg cocksuckers were discovered and removed.
1164840;1434428370;asciilifeform;what, if anything, would remain ?
1164841;1434428483;decimation;"Apparently the availability of money from NSA had had a corrupting effect on some mathemati- cians, who started to think in nationalistic and jingoistic terms so that they could write their proposal in a way that they thought would appeal to NSA."
1164842;1434428491;asciilifeform;if only only this.
1164843;1434428511;decimation;ironically, if the NSA heckler is correct about the real-world pressure, such jingoism would be a disqualifier
1164844;1434428572;decimation;"we thought our museum-fremen ways would impress you"
1164845;1434428647;asciilifeform;i don't presently believe that nsa hired cryptographers for any purpose other than to take them out of circulation.
1164846;1434428665;asciilifeform;(whatever talent they use in-house, they grow there, from larva.)
1164847;1434428694;decimation;well, the job of usg is to spend money
1164848;1434428713;decimation;just because they have in-house talent wouldn't exclude the possibility of pissing money away on other shit too
1164849;1434428761;asciilifeform;decimation: the overall pattern is that they piss to drown, rather than nurture
1164850;1434428946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00042673 = 8.5773 BTC [+]
1164851;1434429434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38983 @ 0.00042393 = 16.5261 BTC [-] {2} 
1164852;1434429495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7817 @ 0.00041033 = 3.2075 BTC [-]
1164853;1434430959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20104 @ 0.00042763 = 8.5971 BTC [+]
1164854;1434431325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103878 @ 0.0004321 = 44.8857 BTC [+] {4} 
1164855;1434432118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00043125 = 22.8563 BTC [-] {2} 
1164856;1434432179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00043335 = 1.4301 BTC [+]
1164857;1434432423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33601 @ 0.00043348 = 14.5654 BTC [+] {2} 
1164858;1434432728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80908 @ 0.00043396 = 35.1108 BTC [+] {2} 
1164859;1434433235;punkman;up it goes
1164860;1434433277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138000 @ 0.0004076 = 56.2488 BTC [-] {3} 
1164861;1434435351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00040411 = 2.263 BTC [-]
1164862;1434435961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00041981 = 8.3962 BTC [+]
1164863;1434436388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28892 @ 0.00040275 = 11.6363 BTC [-]
1164864;1434436876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00040275 = 12.4853 BTC [-]
1164865;1434438279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23060 @ 0.00040639 = 9.3714 BTC [+] {2} 
1164866;1434438706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102939 @ 0.00042085 = 43.3219 BTC [+] {4} 
1164867;1434439194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15444 @ 0.00042803 = 6.6105 BTC [+]
1164868;1434440048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16259 @ 0.00043426 = 7.0606 BTC [+]
1164869;1434440591;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/57 << the bitrot continues
1164870;1434440592;assbot;Documentation fixes for openssl-1.0.1g (Ubuntu 14.04) · Issue #57 · openssl/openssl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhY3C0 )
1164871;1434440653;ben_vulpes;;;later tell shinohai what platform did you end up compiling bitcoind on?
1164872;1434440653;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1164873;1434441295;cazalla;good evening
1164874;1434441586;ben_vulpes;ey caz
1164875;1434442039;cazalla;silence dance party still ravin'?
1164876;1434442078;ben_vulpes;nah, lights on the tennis court turn out at ten
1164877;1434442085;ben_vulpes;everyone goes home politely but the vagrants
1164878;1434442366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00043467 = 6.0202 BTC [+] {2} 
1164879;1434444928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42555 @ 0.00043441 = 18.4863 BTC [-] {2} 
1164880;1434446758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00042846 = 6.2127 BTC [-]
1164881;1434447307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30069 @ 0.00042632 = 12.819 BTC [-] {3} 
1164882;1434447324;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe
1164883;1434447324;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00039511 / 0.00041611 / 0.00043534 (5419913 shares, 2,255.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00033981 / 0.00038469 / 0.00043534 (18895378 shares, 7,268.90 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00032646 / 0.00043534 (117114948 shares, 38,234.36 BTC)
1164884;1434447795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11437 @ 0.00042129 = 4.8183 BTC [-]
1164885;1434447917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00041703 = 12.1356 BTC [-]
1164886;1434447978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00041703 = 2.9192 BTC [-]
1164887;1434448344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00041545 = 4.9439 BTC [-]
1164888;1434448588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18090 @ 0.00040831 = 7.3863 BTC [-] {2} 
1164889;1434449930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00042855 = 6.214 BTC [+] {2} 
1164890;1434450296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00043535 = 28.8637 BTC [+] {3} 
1164891;1434450845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.0004184 = 3.933 BTC [-]
1164892;1434450907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00041082 = 8.7915 BTC [-] {2} 
1164893;1434451089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00040561 = 25.6954 BTC [-] {2} 
1164894;1434451638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00041843 = 9.1009 BTC [+] {2} 
1164895;1434452126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00041845 = 6.737 BTC [+]
1164896;1434454749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39243 @ 0.00041813 = 16.4087 BTC [-]
1164897;1434454993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.0004074 = 14.0553 BTC [-] {4} 
1164898;1434455969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3875 @ 0.00041845 = 1.6215 BTC [+]
1164899;1434456110;jurov;http://www.boredpanda.com/1970s-mens-fashion-ads/ lol YES
1164900;1434456112;assbot;1970s Men’s Fashion Ads You Won’t Be Able To Unsee | Bored Panda ... ( http://bit.ly/1HOuV9E )
1164901;1434457616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00041074 = 3.5324 BTC [-]
1164902;1434459887;jurov;;;ticker
1164903;1434459888;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 239.85, Best ask: 240.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 239.85, 24 hour volume: 22945.68371812, 24 hour low: 234.56, 24 hour high: 241.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1164904;1434460111;davout;;;ticker --currency EUR
1164905;1434460112;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1164906;1434460116;davout;blergh
1164907;1434460154;jurov;;;ticker --currency EUR --market bitcoincentral
1164908;1434460155;gribble;Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 209.51, Best ask: 213.9, Bid-ask spread: 4.39000, Last trade: 213.9, 24 hour volume: 121.68340784, 24 hour low: 206.0, 24 hour high: 214.0, 24 hour vwap: 209.82578069
1164909;1434460270;jurov;gribs forgot how to convert
1164910;1434460283;jurov;;;ticker --currency copper
1164911;1434460283;gribble;Error: 'copper' is not a valid currency code.
1164912;1434460361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00041192 = 23.2529 BTC [+] {2} 
1164913;1434460406;jurov;;;ticker --currency "rickety reeds"
1164914;1434460407;gribble;Error: 'rickety reeds' is not a valid currency code.
1164915;1434460422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00043163 = 13.9848 BTC [+] {3} 
1164916;1434461215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.0004331 = 21.7849 BTC [+] {3} 
1164917;1434461398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00043424 = 8.2723 BTC [+] {2} 
1164918;1434461399;scoopbot_revived;X.EUR June 16th statement http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-june-16th-statement/
1164919;1434461459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00041475 = 9.2904 BTC [-]
1164920;1434461908;jurov;https://blockchain.info/address/1CoinBr662GWdiqVz8mXJUnYjWZbBchKAb lol the "public note" (and no, CoinBr will not double your coins)
1164921;1434461909;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1CoinBr662GWdiqVz8mXJUnYjWZbBchKAb ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVg8dv )
1164922;1434462336;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164751 << i think you broadly miss the point there. it doesn't matter what it ACTUALLY asks. what matters is that once you sign and serve it, they will pretend it had asked whatever it is they wish it were the case it had asked at any later point, which is how "it doesn't ask about fucktoys" turned into "paetreus broke the law by visiting a local socialite!11". so in this
1164923;1434462336;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 01:38:53; assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 21:22:20; asciilifeform: speaking of 'sf-86' form, does anyone else consider such things a peculiar anachronism? it isn't as if usg did not already have 100% of everything in that thing in some db or other
1164924;1434462336;mircea_popescu;, the guy's action to disclose was "reasonable", and your approach only works if you're there as an envoy of the most serene republic or the republic of china, and they are actually afraid that if they misbehave their children are going to be used as ingredients in someone's supper.
1164925;1434462413;mircea_popescu;ie, exactly as you point out, "the devil is not interested in lies, but in liars". so it is. with the caveat that it is not interested in THE TRUTH of anyone's being a liar, but in the useful political lie of anyone having been a liar.
1164926;1434462461;mircea_popescu;so in this sense "cuomo might be corrupt". they... they just haven't figured it out yet lolz.
1164927;1434462493;mircea_popescu;obama also "might" be corrupt. nixon "actually was" corrupt. the difference between these is left as an exercise, but not to the reader of history. it's strictly an exercise to the writer of history.
1164928;1434462678;mircea_popescu;which is, incidentally, why any discussion with the devil may only logically start with a full and unwavering declaration from the devil that it is talking to ~the incorruptible~. ie, outside of its jurisdiction, they whose "corruptness" may not be judged by it.
1164929;1434463045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00040861 = 9.9701 BTC [-]
1164930;1434463109;pete_dushenski;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.msg11627605#msg11627605
1164931;1434463111;assbot;[CLOSING JUNE 30] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHe6My )
1164932;1434463140;mircea_popescu;hahaha.
1164933;1434463142;pete_dushenski;^mining pool takes itself down because of 'bitlisence'
1164934;1434463151;mircea_popescu;anyone ~else~ inclined to listen to gavin, take notice
1164935;1434463162;mircea_popescu;that shit was top 2 not even A YEAR AGO.
1164936;1434463178;pete_dushenski;btc guild listened to gavin ?
1164937;1434463184;pete_dushenski;musta missed that
1164938;1434463217;mircea_popescu;the original mike hearn induced hard fork.
1164939;1434463247;pete_dushenski;aha them.
1164940;1434463253;mircea_popescu;yes, them.
1164941;1434463275;pete_dushenski;well good riddance to another scab.
1164942;1434463295;mircea_popescu;aye
1164943;1434463317;mircea_popescu;had fallen into irrelevancy for a while now anyway.
1164944;1434463323;pete_dushenski;looks like they're down to only 3% of hashrate
1164945;1434463328;mircea_popescu;mhm
1164946;1434463328;pete_dushenski;at most
1164947;1434463350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00041361 = 9.8026 BTC [+]
1164948;1434463368;mircea_popescu;the thing the "community" prefers to ignore is that its continued existence is fully predicated on it being made 80% of people who are not older than six months and don't intend to be.
1164949;1434463412;mircea_popescu;just like the "community" of high voltage wire lickers, or "transsexuals" or what have you may only exist for as long as it's entirely made of either fresh idiots or the trolls that bait them
1164950;1434463432;pete_dushenski;sucks when they grow up eh.
1164951;1434463442;pete_dushenski;really takes a dent out of their "popular support"
1164952;1434463451;mircea_popescu;how many people came here with a "omg i can't believe how stupid i was" sorta thing.
1164953;1434463472;pete_dushenski;i still get comments on contravex saying exactly that.
1164954;1434463478;pete_dushenski;and i expect this will continue
1164955;1434463483;mircea_popescu;mhm
1164956;1434463494;mircea_popescu;prolly next year too.
1164957;1434463558;pete_dushenski;speaking of recent commenters, i just had a guy drop a line on buying russian corporate bonds through an etf on lse
1164958;1434463562;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/22/an-exercise-in-buying-17-russian-bonds/#comment-20614
1164959;1434463563;assbot;An exercise in buying 17% Russian bonds | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHf9fo )
1164960;1434463581;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Want to write up BTCGuild? I'm working on another social media failure story
1164961;1434463611;pete_dushenski;not quite as juicy as the government bonds, but exposure to russian corporate bonds looks decently lucrative compared to western offerings
1164962;1434463618;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: sure thing.
1164963;1434463652;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski hard to price the sovereign risk for russia tho
1164964;1434463727;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well, not like pricing sovereign risk for usa is easy
1164965;1434463744;pete_dushenski;in the short-term
1164966;1434463770;pete_dushenski;mid- to long-term, sure, 100% chance of investment going to 0
1164967;1434463777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11454 @ 0.00041361 = 4.7375 BTC [+]
1164968;1434463807;mats;i hear pogs are blowing up
1164969;1434463832;mircea_popescu;who even knows.
1164970;1434463840;mircea_popescu;i wanna see whathappens once putin retires.
1164971;1434463852;TheNewDeal;methinks gribble has been drinking today
1164972;1434463853;pete_dushenski;he's probably got a decade yet
1164973;1434463857;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
1164974;1434463860;gribble;Current Blocks: 361193 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 1686 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1164975;1434463869;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski entirely up to him i would think, but yeah.
1164976;1434463916;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: as it's entirely up to you how long you feel like steering this ship. except you're, what, half putin's age.
1164977;1434463990;pete_dushenski;hm. just checked, putin is 62, so not quite half but close enough
1164978;1434464020;mircea_popescu;haha i think he's mebbe a tad more secure
1164979;1434464052;pete_dushenski;give it time, man !
1164980;1434464058;mircea_popescu;lol
1164981;1434464074;pete_dushenski;what is this, a race ?
1164982;1434464084;pete_dushenski;he'll beat you to the grave, fear not.
1164983;1434464094;mircea_popescu;that is likely.
1164984;1434464132;pete_dushenski;so will merkel, so will jinping.
1164985;1434464168;mircea_popescu;the chinese have been workingon animmortality pill for 3`000 years
1164986;1434464170;mircea_popescu;they might get it
1164987;1434464184;mircea_popescu;bbs.
1164988;1434464237;*;pete_dushenski goes to tap in the mines for qntra
1164989;1434464300;decimation;pete_dushenski: mid- to long-term, sure, 100% chance of investment going to 0 < not so, usg will *always* repay usd debt
1164990;1434464330;pete_dushenski;and i'll always have a giant boner for lindsay lohan
1164991;1434464337;pete_dushenski;until she's not 16 anymore
1164992;1434464338;decimation;the question is just how much usd it needs to magic into existence
1164993;1434464345;pete_dushenski;until.... time
1164994;1434464350;decimation;now, usg paying off gold debt....
1164995;1434464378;decimation;the man who can print money is not a credit risk, he's a risk for something else
1164996;1434464415;pete_dushenski;the man who can print money is perfectly capable of being a credit risk
1164997;1434464433;pete_dushenski;you wanna lend money to mr. monopoly ?
1164998;1434464462;decimation;are you supposing that in the crux he won't print?
1164999;1434464464;pete_dushenski;you really think he can make enough money being a slumlord on James Street ?
1165000;1434464480;decimation;well, his own scrip, sure
1165001;1434464523;pete_dushenski;decimation: i'm supposing he will print 'in the crux' and that no one will take him anymore seriously than the streetwalker wearing 15 hats stacked one on top of the other
1165002;1434464548;decimation;aye, well at that point anything denominated in usd is a risk
1165003;1434464572;pete_dushenski;you see they both have a lottery ticket that they're still waiting to hear back from the corporate board on
1165004;1434464586;pete_dushenski;the board had to reorganise and now everything's up in the air
1165005;1434464600;pete_dushenski;but dun worry because the money is coming
1165006;1434464616;decimation;the question of how long the dollar can 'levitate' as the world's reserve is an interesting one
1165007;1434464624;decimation;and the most obvious 'sovereign risk' for usg
1165008;1434464673;pete_dushenski;how long is kinda interesting in the sense of "how much time does that give us to stockpile useable computing hardware"
1165009;1434464696;pete_dushenski;other than that...
1165010;1434464712;pete_dushenski;the writing's on the wall and people can't ignore it indefinitely
1165011;1434464727;decimation;agreed
1165012;1434464727;TheNewDeal;pete_dushenski what's wrong with me wearing 15 hats?
1165013;1434464768;pete_dushenski;TheNewDeal: nothing if you want to be a street urchin.
1165014;1434464783;TheNewDeal;the finest there is!
1165015;1434464797;pete_dushenski;and do some modeling for 70's men's magazines
1165016;1434464847;TheNewDeal;like so http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2012/12/slack-power-350x500.jpg ?
1165017;1434464848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHVD2n )
1165018;1434464863;pete_dushenski;decimation: if you're financially exposed to benefit from 'the event', as we all are, then it's a matter of how long can we be patient
1165019;1434464878;decimation;yes, true
1165020;1434464892;decimation;could be this year, could be 100 years
1165021;1434464904;pete_dushenski;TheNewDeal: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164899
1165022;1434464904;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 12:01:50; jurov: http://www.boredpanda.com/1970s-mens-fashion-ads/ lol YES
1165023;1434464981;pete_dushenski;decimation: could be, sure. 100 years ago : franz joseph i, today : merkel, 100 years hence : 4638 c4ca kinda thing
1165024;1434465161;decimation;one obvious 'sword of Damocles' hanging over usg is the enormous dollar debt at very low interest
1165025;1434465178;decimation;if rates creep up to > 10%, usg is gonna have to print to survive
1165026;1434465207;pete_dushenski;if they have to print to survive at 1%, for sure 10% will sting.
1165027;1434465214;decimation;heh exactly
1165028;1434465221;TheNewDeal;I'm suprised usian muggles don't even comprehend this idea
1165029;1434465227;pete_dushenski;but hey, the pain plan cometh one way or another
1165030;1434465237;pete_dushenski;the band-aid will be ripped off.
1165031;1434465244;pete_dushenski;TheNewDeal: you are ?
1165032;1434465251;TheNewDeal;yes
1165033;1434465255;pete_dushenski;why ?
1165034;1434465261;decimation;the best I can tell usian muggles exhibit 'learned helplessness' that moldbug writes about
1165035;1434465299;TheNewDeal;because every muggle is basically in debt up to their necks
1165036;1434465309;TheNewDeal;so basically it's something they should comprehend easily
1165037;1434465325;TheNewDeal;except for the making monopoly money via treasuries
1165038;1434465329;pete_dushenski;decimation: and why shouldn't they ? there's clearly no future for them, despite their panglossian pretenses of "first, best, largest ever"
1165039;1434465336;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
1165040;1434465337;assbot;Learned helplessness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIovHO )
1165041;1434465363;decimation;"Other experiments were performed with different animals with similar results. In all cases, the strongest predictor of a depressive response was lack of control over the aversive stimulus."
1165042;1434465376;pete_dushenski;TheNewDeal: but if muggles can afford the debt and "everyone else is doing it"... hardly seems like a problem worth the bother
1165043;1434465393;decimation;if you randomly zap an animal long enough, he learns to lay down and be useless, even if he could prevent it with simple actions
1165044;1434465400;pete_dushenski;until, of course, reality smokes them upside the head and gives 'em a spin.
1165045;1434465544;*;decimation off to the mines
1165046;1434465790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00042887 = 22.3441 BTC [+]
1165047;1434465851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00043051 = 14.5082 BTC [+] {2} 
1165048;1434466949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70004 @ 0.00042953 = 30.0688 BTC [-] {2} 
1165049;1434467010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107666 @ 0.0004352 = 46.8562 BTC [+] {4} 
1165050;1434467079;pete_dushenski;heya menahem
1165051;1434467088;menahem;hey pimp slice
1165052;1434467091;menahem;how are ya
1165053;1434467106;pete_dushenski;no complaints man.
1165054;1434467108;menahem;reading this: http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/BIP100-blocksizechangeproposal.pdf
1165055;1434467110;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqFfCs )
1165056;1434467117;pete_dushenski;summary ?
1165057;1434467140;menahem;1/2 way, but garzik increasing the block size
1165058;1434467159;menahem;in order to help "startups grow"!!1
1165059;1434467170;pete_dushenski;up to 20mb a la usgavin ?
1165060;1434467257;menahem;"3. Simultaneously, add a new floating block size limit, set to 1MB."
1165061;1434467261;menahem;almost done
1165062;1434467283;menahem;just got to Strasbourg and i'm 1/2 asleep from the flight
1165063;1434467519;pete_dushenski;menahem: o hey mr. traveler.
1165064;1434467537;menahem;copped a last minute to Paris and took the train
1165065;1434467555;pete_dushenski;you staying in france ?
1165066;1434467577;menahem;yea, probably take some day trips to Switz and Germany
1165067;1434467587;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/2MH3VRM.txt << qntsideration
1165068;1434467588;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KW8Jey )
1165069;1434467588;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1165070;1434467621;pete_dushenski;menahem: wicked. you gone for a week or two or more ?
1165071;1434467653;menahem;2 weeks, then off to Ottawa for Canada day celebrations.
1165072;1434467673;pete_dushenski;heh go nationalism !
1165073;1434467677;menahem;ha
1165074;1434467682;menahem;mostly to meet the in-laws :D
1165075;1434467694;pete_dushenski;menahem: check out montreux
1165076;1434467694;menahem;prob the best time to be in Ottawa, though.
1165077;1434467698;pete_dushenski;if you get a chance
1165078;1434467733;menahem;Yea lemme ask my Swiss bidness partner
1165079;1434467764;menahem;he said it's nice.  hey, btw, pete_dushenski you're off Formula 1 now ?
1165080;1434467802;pete_dushenski;ayup. bernie has some work to do.
1165081;1434467841;pete_dushenski;fuck these turbo engines, wide tires, and supercomputer aerodynamics
1165082;1434467979;menahem;ha, you had sold me on it when you went to MTL last yr.
1165083;1434468003;scoopbot_revived;BTC Guild: Closing After Choosing Wrong Side of History http://qntra.net/2015/06/btc-guild-closing-after-choosing-wrong-side-of-history/
1165084;1434468153;menahem;pete_dushenski, i gotta roll.  i'll be on tomorrow all rested up.  cheers all.
1165085;1434468428;pete_dushenski;menahem: later dude.
1165086;1434468896;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: when i wrote "ancien fiat regime" it wasn't a typo of "ancient fiat regime"
1165087;1434468906;BingoBoingo;oh
1165088;1434468906;pete_dushenski;la ancien regime is a thing
1165089;1434468938;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Then you gotta make your grammar work
1165090;1434468954;BingoBoingo;acien regime fiat?
1165091;1434468962;BingoBoingo;*ancien regime fiat?
1165092;1434468965;pete_dushenski;lol perhaps so
1165093;1434468992;pete_dushenski;i still like my way but you're the editor :)
1165094;1434469031;jurov;it's meant the bourbon era? i don't get it
1165095;1434469040;BingoBoingo;fixed. One can't simple inject roman words without injecting roman grammar
1165096;1434469060;pete_dushenski;jurov: 'old guard'
1165097;1434469081;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: cool.
1165098;1434469276;davout;;;ticker
1165099;1434469277;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.19, Best ask: 245.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.65000, Last trade: 245.19, 24 hour volume: 29095.24612131, 24 hour low: 235.19, 24 hour high: 243.94, 24 hour vwap: None
1165100;1434469301;davout;mircea_popescu: ^ 218 EUR/BTC
1165101;1434469333;pete_dushenski;watch out 1000 eur/btc, here we coooome !
1165102;1434469352;mircea_popescu;bwahaha TheNewDeal 's "anti establishment slacks" omaigerd.
1165103;1434469383;mircea_popescu;<decimation> if rates creep up to > 10%, usg is gonna have to print to survive << actually even 1% is unsustainable atm.
1165104;1434469400;mircea_popescu;which is why all this song and dance about recessions, low rates and permanently unelevated plateaus
1165105;1434469474;mircea_popescu;<TheNewDeal> I'm suprised usian muggles don't even comprehend this idea << they don't care one way or another, because they aren't actually invested in the thing. it's a meal ticket. who is going to care whether their meal ticket had a good day at work or a bad day at work ? it's work, it's what it does, fuck it.
1165106;1434469509;mircea_popescu;which is why setbacks in the indies caused commotion in london, but also why utter rape of the us throughout all its engagements since blackpresident and perhaps before don't even raise an eyebrow.
1165107;1434469537;mircea_popescu;who the shit cares ? the "citizens" certainly don't. just as long as the new, improved, electronic and digital food stamps make it on time.
1165108;1434469686;funkenstein_;!up ascii_field
1165109;1434469728;funkenstein_;;;ticker
1165110;1434469730;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 247.91, Best ask: 247.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 247.89, 24 hour volume: 29095.24612131, 24 hour low: 235.19, 24 hour high: 243.94, 24 hour vwap: None
1165111;1434469815;pete_dushenski;dollar crashing today.
1165112;1434469854;pete_dushenski;mebbe because donald trump just announced his presidential candidacy.
1165113;1434469886;pete_dushenski;and everyone's worried he's going to use the last few drops of water to greenify another golf course
1165114;1434469927;funkenstein_;pete_dushenski, nice qntra piece :D
1165115;1434469939;funkenstein_;trump? serious?
1165116;1434469950;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: cheers. and yuppers.
1165117;1434470013;pete_dushenski;https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pornhub-space-program-sexploration#/story
1165118;1434470014;assbot;Pornhub Space Program - SEXPLORATION | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZA5Qi )
1165119;1434470030;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-06-2015#1164710 << common name.
1165120;1434470030;assbot;Logged on 15-06-2015 20:32:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2015#1164376 << isn't megan fox that porn cyborg woman ?
1165121;1434470047;jurov;;;ticker
1165122;1434470049;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.0, Best ask: 251.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.84000, Last trade: 252.0, 24 hour volume: 32018.7302065, 24 hour low: 235.5, 24 hour high: 247.1, 24 hour vwap: None
1165123;1434470079;pete_dushenski;porn in space looking to raise... $3.4 mn
1165124;1434470080;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164920 << idk i'm getting pretty close to that
1165125;1434470080;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 13:38:28; jurov: https://blockchain.info/address/1CoinBr662GWdiqVz8mXJUnYjWZbBchKAb lol the "public note" (and no, CoinBr will not double your coins)
1165126;1434470087;funkenstein_;space, the final frontier.  to boldly go where no chumpatron has gone before
1165127;1434470113;jurov;lolk i forgot to put "instantly"
1165128;1434470115;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: pretty close to what ?
1165129;1434470125;danielpbarron;doubling coin
1165130;1434470136;pete_dushenski;snap. nice work !
1165131;1434470171;pete_dushenski;at this rate, $3.4 mn for space porn will be 10 btc by tuesday.
1165132;1434470188;pete_dushenski;draw the line to see for yourself !
1165133;1434470198;TheNewDeal;indubitably
1165134;1434470223;*;pete_dushenski leaves this as an exercise for the reader
1165135;1434470289;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164922 << by this token, it doesn't even matter if mr chump signs or not. they will 'sign' for him, if needed.
1165136;1434470289;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 13:45:36; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164751 << i think you broadly miss the point there. it doesn't matter what it ACTUALLY asks. what matters is that once you sign and serve it, they will pretend it had asked whatever it is they wish it were the case it had asked at any later point, which is how "it doesn't ask about fucktoys" turned into "paetreus broke the law by visiting a local social
1165137;1434470304;ascii_field;not like usg admits crypto-sigs
1165138;1434470609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00043555 = 6.555 BTC [+]
1165139;1434470761;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: you should be trading for m.mpif !
1165140;1434470797;danielpbarron;eh idk how good i really am; I'm finally starting to break even in USD terms I think
1165141;1434470849;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: your skill is measured in your performance in btc terms
1165142;1434470871;pete_dushenski;mebbe it's too soon to say that you're more than just lucky
1165143;1434471042;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe
1165144;1434471042;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00039511 / 0.00042046 / 0.00043555 (4516394 shares, 1,899.01 BTC), 7D: 0.00034281 / 0.00039037 / 0.00043555 (17417074 shares, 6,799.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00032758 / 0.00043555 (117158331 shares, 38,379.04 BTC)
1165145;1434471081;danielpbarron;i didn't see mpoe going as high as it is right now
1165146;1434471105;danielpbarron;still got some though so w/e
1165147;1434471402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00043555 = 12.9358 BTC [+]
1165148;1434471463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34770 @ 0.00043561 = 15.1462 BTC [+] {2} 
1165149;1434471772;jurov;s.mpoe may have some relation to today's btc bump
1165150;1434471793;jurov;but iirc someone did check for correlations and there was none
1165151;1434471997;jurov;!up _biO_
1165152;1434472000;jurov;!up _biO__
1165153;1434472574;mircea_popescu;davout not bad
1165154;1434472596;davout;mircea_popescu: what?
1165155;1434472678;mircea_popescu;you highlighted me re euro price
1165156;1434472805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00042681 = 4.9937 BTC [-]
1165157;1434472845;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& << lookin' pretty.
1165158;1434472845;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbVznp )
1165159;1434473062;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164761 >> zing
1165160;1434473062;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 02:21:13; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> when an otherwise smart guy is too stupid to get out of the rain. << or insists, operating under a complete lack of evidence that "it can't possibly keep going on like this much longer!"
1165161;1434473124;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164762 << ye hear that alf ? b,tmsro~ hereby orders you to grow a beard and wear a hat.
1165162;1434473124;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 02:24:53; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> that sounds pretty jewish << he's probably the most jewish jew in here - endlessly pessimistic about everything, everything costs $maxint, gurls are unreadable, and practically a talmudic scholar to boot
1165163;1434473154;pete_dushenski;don't forget the payas.
1165164;1434473165;mircea_popescu;and papayas, ya
1165165;1434473179;mircea_popescu;can hoola while he schools.
1165166;1434473187;pete_dushenski;lmao
1165167;1434473189;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1165168;1434473220;ascii_field;beard can wait for the camps
1165169;1434473226;ascii_field;(and they'll give me a hat)
1165170;1434473247;pete_dushenski;alf is definitely of the old skool, old country judaism : expects life to be rapey and generally full of suck
1165171;1434473296;ascii_field;hard to go wrong with this algo.
1165172;1434473296;mircea_popescu;he's a russian orthodox jew
1165173;1434473298;pete_dushenski;the optimists found their ways to the colonies where they could dream of valhalla, much to the detriment of art, goodness, etc
1165174;1434473308;ascii_field;(hence why this is the only aspect of judaism that survived in su)
1165175;1434473327;mircea_popescu;nah, the one aspect of judaism that explains why judaism survived at all survived in su too :
1165176;1434473332;mircea_popescu;rachel's still a slut.
1165177;1434473350;ascii_field;this too presumably lives somewhere. but i will have to take mircea_popescu's word for it
1165178;1434473431;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164769 << dunno how good for your wrists that thing is
1165179;1434473431;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 02:59:10; ben_vulpes: dpb's a clit tickler!
1165180;1434473537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00042647 = 21.6434 BTC [-] {2} 
1165181;1434474574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9879 @ 0.00042664 = 4.2148 BTC [+]
1165182;1434475490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00042662 = 16.6595 BTC [-] {2} 
1165183;1434476797;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164790 << i really don't get it, isn't the point of these things to set an adolescent hookup ?
1165184;1434476797;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 03:33:23; Adlai: and this was a few years back. haven't seen many of those 'parties' since then, either
1165185;1434476882;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164796 << the effects of advanced senility can not be distinguished from the results of working for a government like
1165186;1434476882;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 03:42:33; decimation: seems to me that he's going senile
1165187;1434477136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00042681 = 2.9219 BTC [+]
1165188;1434477624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18154 @ 0.00042681 = 7.7483 BTC [+]
1165189;1434477746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00043367 = 14.0509 BTC [+]
1165190;1434478234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26913 @ 0.00043139 = 11.61 BTC [-] {2} 
1165191;1434478295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28480 @ 0.0004228 = 12.0413 BTC [-]
1165192;1434478966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00042186 = 17.2119 BTC [-] {2} 
1165193;1434479271;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164801 << ford went to work in a horsedrawn buggy for most of his life too.
1165194;1434479271;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 03:45:25; mod6: staggers the imagination
1165195;1434479332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38415 @ 0.00043609 = 16.7524 BTC [+]
1165196;1434480283;mircea_popescu;today in frog history, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mak5d2AZaK1rz41xbo1_1280.jpg
1165197;1434480285;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2HQq0 )
1165198;1434480369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44097 @ 0.00042541 = 18.7593 BTC [-]
1165199;1434481210;jurov;would we have ever heard of bitcoin if satoshi eschewed windows?
1165200;1434481223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00043609 = 15.6338 BTC [+]
1165201;1434481280;mircea_popescu;i can definitely say i would have.
1165202;1434481310;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1165203;1434481324;*;ascii_field confused. wtf good did it do anyone that he used winblows ?
1165204;1434481343;mircea_popescu;i think his idea is "prosti da' multi"
1165205;1434481344;jurov;mircea_popescu: you got the preport from people who used it on linux?
1165206;1434481358;jurov;*report
1165207;1434481406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86035 @ 0.00043768 = 37.6558 BTC [+] {4} 
1165208;1434481464;mircea_popescu;jurov yes. all the people that insisted and eventually got me to check it out, on both episodes, run open source stuff
1165209;1434481472;mircea_popescu;most of which some sort of linux
1165210;1434482138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.00042631 = 11.2537 BTC [-]
1165211;1434483180;BingoBoingo;!UP ascii_field
1165212;1434484822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51293 @ 0.00043725 = 22.4279 BTC [+] {2} 
1165213;1434485055;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1165214;1434485483;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164990 <<< such a shame about that one eh
1165215;1434485483;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 14:18:50; pete_dushenski: and i'll always have a giant boner for lindsay lohan
1165216;1434485676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00043883 = 15.5346 BTC [+] {2} 
1165217;1434485798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10602 @ 0.00042631 = 4.5197 BTC [-]
1165218;1434485955;BingoBoingo;cazalla: What's the shame. She made money young and nao does what she wants?
1165219;1434485997;lobbes;BingoBoingo: shame due to her becoming a walking corpse
1165220;1434486032;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Maybe she's secretly trans-zombie but not out of that closet yet?
1165221;1434486033;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1165022 <<< two of those adverts sport "made in australia" (bonds and jockey).. there was a bonds factory not far from where i grew up and my mother would take us in there now and again to buy factory seconds as it was cheaper.. in they end they closed up shop and moved to china
1165222;1434486033;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 14:28:24; assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 12:01:50; jurov: http://www.boredpanda.com/1970s-mens-fashion-ads/ lol YES
1165223;1434486043;cazalla;BingoBoingo, lobbes pretty much has it, girl isn't even 30 yet believe it or not
1165224;1434486056;cazalla;mind you, i'd still fuck her
1165225;1434486065;BingoBoingo;I know.
1165226;1434486246;jurov;anyone else got likely scam from azelphur.irc@gmail.com ?
1165227;1434486262;jurov;"Hello my friend , how is going, long time i didn't see u on IRC .When u have time pls email me i have some offer .Thanks"
1165228;1434486268;Azelphur;heh, not my address / not an address I control.
1165229;1434486272;BingoBoingo;jurov: Got one fron DoctorBTC
1165230;1434486289;Azelphur;there has been some guy on a mission impersonating me on OTC recently, must be the same fellow.
1165231;1434486323;BingoBoingo;Replied saying no, not at this price figuring it was legit.
1165232;1434486353;punkman;do these come at your gpg email address?
1165233;1434486359;jurov;yes
1165234;1434486362;BingoBoingo;yes
1165235;1434486591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00044046 = 2.7309 BTC [+]
1165236;1434486624;mircea_popescu;nuts dude, by now people are actually trying to impersonate the b-a dom ?!
1165237;1434486666;BingoBoingo;Well, the -otc dom
1165238;1434486687;davout;!b 2
1165239;1434486688;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3VFDE27.txt )
1165240;1434486952;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1165241;1434487005;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1165236 << wait till they start uploading 'magic' keys for us to sks
1165242;1434487005;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 20:30:24; mircea_popescu: nuts dude, by now people are actually trying to impersonate the b-a dom ?!
1165243;1434487215;mike_c;does anyone around here know anything about the internals of the bitstamp trading engine?  or maybe an engineer who works there?
1165244;1434487249;jurov;mike_c: why? kako had some rumors
1165245;1434487289;mike_c;i feel like i have a problem similar to theirs..  I've got a transaction engine running in c#, but websites built in python.
1165246;1434487306;mike_c;I know their site runs off django, but i seriously doubt their trading engine is python
1165247;1434487323;mike_c;I'm curious how they handle communication between those pieces
1165248;1434487362;jurov;api goes straight to trade engine, i guess
1165249;1434487393;mike_c;but you still must have a lot of data sharing.  two software stacks that hit the same database?  seems problematic to manage
1165250;1434487415;mike_c;or you have an api that handles everything they have to talk to each other, which also seems like a pain.
1165251;1434487436;jurov;how would the db hard to manage?
1165252;1434487451;mike_c;!up gernika
1165253;1434487459;gernika;thx
1165254;1434487473;mike_c;change in the db, gotta mirror that on both codebases..
1165255;1434487481;mike_c;not very DRY
1165256;1434487506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132050 @ 0.0004406 = 58.1812 BTC [+] {4} 
1165257;1434487519;mike_c;gernika says their trading engine was written in node.js as of a couple years ago..
1165258;1434487535;jurov;!s kakobrekla mysql backup
1165259;1434487536;assbot;0 results for 'kakobrekla mysql backup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kakobrekla+mysql+backup
1165260;1434487538;trinque;eh not necessarily; they'd be hitting the same db but for different reasons
1165261;1434487542;jurov;!s kakobrekla mysql
1165262;1434487542;assbot;6 results for 'kakobrekla mysql' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kakobrekla+mysql
1165263;1434487545;gernika;This was roughly around the time of the scam foundation's first conf in San Jose.
1165264;1434487563;jurov;^ last hit there
1165265;1434487630;kakobrekla;iirc they had a single process with a half a second sleep each time for engine
1165266;1434487647;mike_c;nice
1165267;1434487664;kakobrekla;hence bids bigger than asks and shit
1165268;1434487693;gernika;ah shit - that's right they were usnig node.js for the price ticker
1165269;1434487715;mike_c;greater number of software stacks = greater success
1165270;1434487791;trinque;mike_c: anything that might be duplicated between two things accessing the db could be a view in the db instead
1165271;1434487829;trinque;tends to be my opinion that people have largely forgotten the art of database views
1165272;1434487834;mike_c;yeah.. i guess i'm thinking about business logic.  needs to be separated very cleanly for this to work.
1165273;1434487856;trinque;all that hairy node/django/whatever... it all tends to be poorly written substitutes for db queries
1165274;1434487994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185050 @ 0.00042846 = 79.2865 BTC [-] {3} 
1165275;1434488085;cazalla;http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2586559 "On average, Bitcoinist has 350,000+ unique visitors a month with 550,000 page views, and this is increasing every month." it's a press release mind you.. it's growing so much they're discounting their ad spots!
1165276;1434488086;assbot;Bitcoin News Platform Bitcoinist.net Experiences Rapid Growth Announces 30% Discount For Advertisers - Press Release - Digital Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1TrxUJA )
1165277;1434488175;ben_vulpes;trinque: but sql's scary
1165278;1434488189;ben_vulpes;i can't handle relational algebra
1165279;1434488192;ben_vulpes;math is hard
1165280;1434488198;ben_vulpes;and django does so much thinking for me!
1165281;1434488310;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes uses django?
1165282;1434488319;mike_c;it says so on his webpage
1165283;1434488328;thestringpuller;cascadianhacker?
1165284;1434488350;BingoBoingo;nah, his something jimmies page
1165285;1434488358;trinque;hueeee
1165286;1434488367;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah and django has a sweet conference!
1165287;1434488528;ben_vulpes;so friendly!
1165288;1434488532;ben_vulpes;and the people have such cool hair!
1165289;1434488615;ben_vulpes;'something jimmies' < hyu
1165290;1434488637;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: you ever get the rng working ?
1165291;1434488722;mircea_popescu;cazalla how much do they charge ?
1165292;1434488760;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: need a digital-analog capture story
1165293;1434488769;ben_vulpes;sorry, analog-digital capture
1165294;1434488784;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: no you don't. it's a logic-level out!
1165295;1434488790;mircea_popescu;in other news, i stumbled upon a selection of trade engines : http://i.imgur.com/oBOraiD.jpg
1165296;1434488791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcrNPk )
1165297;1434488814;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1165298;1434488827;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: v_high ~= v_supply
1165299;1434488840;mike_c;da fuq are those? porcupines?
1165300;1434488865;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Hedgehogs
1165301;1434488889;ben_vulpes;what hardware an i use to capture that, though? i'm blocked on true serial capture until i procure a device that has true serial in
1165302;1434488889;BingoBoingo;porcupines and that hand would likely have quills embedded already
1165303;1434488910;mike_c;heh, yeah.  cute little buggers.
1165304;1434488965;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: try ftdi245
1165305;1434488992;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: or logic analyzer (unlike the affair i described last week, this doesn't need a fast one)
1165306;1434489007;ascii_field;if you own so much as a 1970s-era analyzer, it'll do
1165307;1434489102;BingoBoingo;All day today there has been a rather spectacular box turtle nomming on the slugs in the front flowerbeds, hope the little dude settles down there for a bit
1165308;1434489151;BingoBoingo;"If a pet hedgehog appears to be gaining too much weight, it is important that the hedgehog’s caretaker cut back on high fat foods and increase exercise. Hedgehogs vary in size so there is no "goal weight" for a hedgehog, but if they can no longer roll completely into a ball it is a pretty clear sign of obesity" << hedgehogs can become hedge hamplanets too.
1165309;1434489190;ben_vulpes;hamplanetoid
1165310;1434489204;ben_vulpes;hamrock trapped in a hamity well
1165311;1434489212;ben_vulpes;hamityvill horror
1165312;1434489264;*;BingoBoingo actually saw and AMBULATORY! galaxy today at the liquor store. Circumfrence roughly 0.8x height
1165313;1434489368;ben_vulpes;i've seen a bit more of the same lately.
1165314;1434489393;BingoBoingo;Was driving suspiciously nice car and carrying brown bag out at 8:15ish in the morning
1165315;1434489420;BingoBoingo;Sorry, not circumfrence, diameter
1165316;1434489458;BingoBoingo;Diameter is the one you can eyeball in profile view. Diameter 0.8x height.
1165317;1434489499;BingoBoingo;circumfrence 0.8x height might not even qualify as planet sometimes.
1165318;1434489563;thestringpuller;the real question BingoBoingo is why were you at the liquor store at 8:15ish in the morning?
1165319;1434489569;ben_vulpes;orbital body
1165320;1434489581;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Cheapest cigarettes in town
1165321;1434489591;thestringpuller;Answer is acceptable.
1165322;1434489631;BingoBoingo;Also switched a big chunk of domicile's lighting to LED today so need liquor later.
1165323;1434489641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00042266 = 14.7086 BTC [-] {2} 
1165324;1434490495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122600 @ 0.00043877 = 53.7932 BTC [+] {3} 
1165325;1434490746;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1165326;1434491073;trinque;https://medium.com/@InertialLemon/apple-s-bitcode-telegraphs-future-cpu-plans-a7b90d326228 << I read this as indicating that in the future, Apple apps will be submitted as signed "bitcode", not a signed executable binary
1165327;1434491075;assbot;Apple’s Bitcode Telegraphs Future CPU Plans — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cc8NzO )
1165328;1434491088;trinque;leaving apple free to modify the thing at will from that point forward?
1165329;1434491104;mats;https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909
1165330;1434491108;assbot;#786909 - chromium: unconditionally downloads binary blob - Debian Bug report logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cc8V2e )
1165331;1434491162;trinque;mats: "ok google" without consent, loool
1165332;1434491224;mats;oops
1165333;1434491352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00042746 = 10.0453 BTC [-]
1165334;1434491391;ascii_field;'After upgrading chromium to 43, I noticed that when it is running and immediately after the machine is on-line it silently starts downloading "Chrome Hotword Shared Module" extension, which contains a binary without source code. There seems no opt-out config.'
1165335;1434491446;mats;all this stuff referring to the OPM hack as "cyber katrina" is also great
1165336;1434491455;mats;"cyber 9/11"
1165337;1434491486;mats;"cyber pearl harbor"
1165338;1434491492;ascii_field;so where the hell is the public dump.
1165339;1434491519;trinque;I'm sure the chinese would rather quietly blackmail people for a while
1165340;1434491631;trinque;so which is it... is cyber-sekurity important, or does encryption "lead us to a dark place"
1165341;1434491637;trinque;bunch of bumbling morons
1165342;1434491705;*;ascii_field still not convinced that this is any kind of actual defeat for usg
1165343;1434491739;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Just puts usg's loyal still more in debt
1165344;1434491779;trinque;ascii_field: I think you're right that the most critical systems are held to a *much* higher standard than this
1165345;1434491815;trinque;yet those critical systems may be completely surrounded by leper colonies of lesser employees' winderz boxen
1165346;1434491869;ascii_field;trinque: recall when pentagon was pwned ?
1165347;1434491881;ascii_field;what, of any consequence, as far as publicly known, walked away ?
1165348;1434491928;trinque;maybe nothing, though if it had I might say otherwise publically
1165349;1434492015;ascii_field;other thing is, only 'positive' items are even theoretically possible to authenticate. that is, if you find a leak purporting to be from the directorate-of-cracking-rsa, stating that 'sixteen quintillion bezzlars and still no result,' this could be disinfo. whereas 'here's how to factor $maxint on a pocket calculator' is testable.
1165350;1434492114;ascii_field;in as far as i can tell, all of the 'compromises' of the past decade are cultivated reichstag fires, arranged to fatten the kompyooter insekoority 'industry'
1165351;1434492151;ascii_field;and the agent of a particular compromise is the sysadmin who installed winblows, and only distantly and secondarily anybody else.
1165352;1434492191;trinque;yeah I can see that angle
1165353;1434492204;trinque;inconsequential breach == huge check to contractor X
1165354;1434492206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00042142 = 6.3634 BTC [-]
1165355;1434492534;cazalla;mircea_popescu, $14.5 USD / 1K impressions for top 728x90 and 300x250 $9 / 1K impressions on the lower end
1165356;1434492550;cazalla;minimum of 50k imp
1165357;1434492708;jurov;!s blokchain
1165358;1434492709;assbot;0 results for 'blokchain' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blokchain
1165359;1434492732;jurov;public notice: never open "blockchain" links in email
1165360;1434492776;jurov;i have got this(open with js off!): https://blokchain.info/address/1CXnMbiWkxfNaVMwfsEBqgZUDMgCpjcaGh/
1165361;1434492778;assbot;Bitcoin Address ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSnxvE )
1165362;1434492803;jurov;with claim of missing deposit and much confusion ensued
1165363;1434492812;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1165364;1434492866;trinque;jurov: used curl, didn't spot anything; XSS?
1165365;1434492897;jurov;no, that tx plainly does not exist. look very closely to the url
1165366;1434492911;trinque;oh lol
1165367;1434492969;jurov;maybe there's some bad js too, but noscript blocked it
1165368;1434493045;ascii_field;appears to be a single-shot
1165369;1434493048;ascii_field;(loads 1ce per ip)
1165370;1434493054;ascii_field;classic sp4mz0r trick
1165371;1434493135;punkman;jurov, guy pretending he deposited to coinbr?
1165372;1434493168;jurov;no, coinroll (but same applies)
1165373;1434493203;punkman;guess he does this a lot if he made up a blockhain.info clone. gotta wonder who actually fell for it
1165374;1434493229;ascii_field;https://transparencytoolkit.org/icwatch << it will be interesting to see, when the chinese list is spilled, if the two agree.
1165375;1434493230;assbot;ICWATCH | Transparency Toolkit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSnVKC )
1165376;1434493236;ascii_field;if not, one or both is disinfo.
1165377;1434493243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46203 @ 0.00043694 = 20.1879 BTC [+] {2} 
1165378;1434493304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21497 @ 0.00044277 = 9.5182 BTC [+]
1165379;1434493528;ascii_field;http://phasezero.gawker.com/this-shadow-government-agency-is-scarier-than-the-nsa-1707179377 << more lulz
1165380;1434493530;assbot;This Shadow Government Agency Is Scarier Than the NSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSocNE )
1165381;1434494244;Azelphur;jurov: mind forwarding that email to me? I'm curious :)
1165382;1434494284;jurov;which? the one "from you" or the "deposit"?
1165383;1434494293;Azelphur;the one from the fake me :)
1165384;1434494308;Azelphur;azelphur@azelphur.com be the real address :)
1165385;1434494362;jurov;i quoted it here whole, there was only one sentence
1165386;1434494372;jurov;or you want to see headers?
1165387;1434494376;Azelphur;yep, I want the headers
1165388;1434494414;jurov;sent
1165389;1434494418;BingoBoingo;The reply looks like: "I know , i need them tonight ,it is stupid to ask ,but if u can loan me i will be happy + u get % from me . U get them back for 24h with 5% profit"
1165390;1434494420;Azelphur;thanks :)
1165391;1434494493;cazalla;http://imgur.com/a/CJWTD
1165392;1434494494;assbot;                    Olive Python eating Australian Freshwater Crocodile - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSoRPa )
1165393;1434494670;BingoBoingo;So, Jurassic World actually surprisingly good film. Improvement over the original in that it portrays people at their actual level of stupidity.
1165394;1434494933;cazalla;might go and see it in a few weeks time, not too fussed on sitting through 30 minutes of commercials with a bunch of louts
1165395;1434494954;cazalla;(i was actually tempted to go last night but settled on rambo@home)
1165396;1434495134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55650 @ 0.00044307 = 24.6568 BTC [+] {3} 
1165397;1434495622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00042255 = 18.5499 BTC [-] {4} 
1165398;1434496158;BingoBoingo;It takes just a few minutes of time to get over the gut reaction that the dinosaurs should look better, but the practical effects in the first movie were so good and inflation adjusted this one had a much smaller budget.
1165399;1434496197;BingoBoingo;The dynamics of the human drama tho, very realistic even if the characters themselves are rather stupid
1165400;1434496877;BingoBoingo;scoopbot_revived: fetch?
1165401;1434496895;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1165402;1434496895;scoopbot_revived;Hulk Hogan Puts Denton's Control of Gawker Media on Life Support http://qntra.net/2015/06/hulk-hogan-puts-dentons-control-of-gawker-media-on-life-support/
1165403;1434496917;BingoBoingo;^ Cuckolding just for you mircea_popescu
1165404;1434497048;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I'd like to watch. I thought it was filled of cliches.
1165405;1434497068;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: It is, but in a good way
1165406;1434497087;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: nice! I think worth try.
1165407;1434497117;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Probably the best film out of Hollywood since "Million Dollar Baby"
1165408;1434497146;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: wow! That is surprisingly to me
1165409;1434497164;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: I may also be a flawed judge of films though.
1165410;1434497191;BingoBoingo;I thoroughly enjoyed "The Highlander" as an example
1165411;1434497194;felipelalli;ahhahaha well, I'll try anyway and I tell you!
1165412;1434497223;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: what about "Transformers"? The worst film I watched ever.
1165413;1434497233;BingoBoingo;If you are too risk averse you could always try the safe torrent and then pay option
1165414;1434497240;BingoBoingo;Much better than Transformers
1165415;1434497294;BingoBoingo;Transformers kind sucked except for the visual spectacle of robot combat in the first movie and never even had that in the later films
1165416;1434497306;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1
1165417;1434497316;BingoBoingo;!gettrust Duffer1
1165418;1434497317;assbot;Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user Duffer1: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=Duffer1 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Duffer1/
1165419;1434497330;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot Duffer1
1165420;1434497331;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user Duffer1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=Duffer1 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Duffer1/
1165421;1434497371;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Are you familar with how to auth with assbot post split?
1165422;1434497391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00041964 = 23.29 BTC [-] {2} 
1165423;1434497400;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: why gribble don't  catch the ! commands in this channel as well? I use !gettrust to gribble in other channels.
1165424;1434497420;felipelalli;;;gettrust BingoBoingo
1165425;1434497420;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 4, Level 2: 7 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
1165426;1434497428;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Because in this one gribble only responds to ;; command
1165427;1434497439;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: is that a modified gribble?
1165428;1434497455;BingoBoingo;No idea.
1165429;1434497485;felipelalli;Is that a modified gribble?
1165430;1434497486;felipelalli;;;8ball
1165431;1434497487;gribble;About as likely as pigs flying.
1165432;1434497765;BingoBoingo;Any obvious errors in the Hulkster piece?
1165433;1434498078;mats;felipelalli: same gribble, assbot takes ! so the trigger is different to prevent collisions
1165434;1434498098;BingoBoingo;OpenBSD advantage over "Linux" plan for continuity of leadership http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-16/the-creator-of-linux-on-the-future-without-him
1165435;1434498099;assbot;The Creator of Linux on the Future Without Him - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm2Iu0 )
1165436;1434498132;cazalla;BingoBoingo, turned an a to an an but other than that, gg
1165437;1434498145;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Thanks
1165438;1434498222;mircea_popescu;wait... hulk hogan ?!
1165439;1434498233;felipelalli;mats: but gribble also takes ! in other channels, but in this channel gribble ignores it.
1165440;1434498238;mircea_popescu;is that some wrestler dude from back when i still did teenagers one at a time ?!
1165441;1434498265;mats;yes
1165442;1434498269;cazalla;mircea_popescu, that's him and he stretched as far as down under back then
1165443;1434498283;mircea_popescu;wow.
1165444;1434498316;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed it was the dude who lifted Andre the Giant
1165445;1434498340;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2015/06/btc-guild-closing-after-choosing-wrong-side-of-history/#comment-27640
1165446;1434498341;assbot;BTC Guild: Closing After Choosing Wrong Side of History | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm3p6o )
1165447;1434498341;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1165448;1434498342;mircea_popescu;so let me get this straight, usg is trying its damndest to sink bitcoin by sending every washed up child pr0n dude this way ; meanwhile we're just sitting pretty while the flagship usg propaganda tool self-sinks under the weight of washed up wrestlers ?
1165449;1434498344;cazalla;andre was bigger than himself down under
1165450;1434498352;mircea_popescu;scarcely could there be more poetry in ther world.
1165451;1434498363;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so let me get this straight, usg is trying its damndest to sink bitcoin by sending every washed up child pr0n dude this way ; meanwhile we're just sitting pretty while the flagship usg propaganda tool self-sinks under the weight of washed up wrestlers ? << Yes
1165452;1434498367;cazalla;GBANGA! (who is this guy lol)
1165453;1434498373;mircea_popescu;i dunno but he's active.
1165454;1434498396;mircea_popescu;also, heather clem looks made to be fucked on cam and naught else.
1165455;1434498432;BingoBoingo;Also, the "Love Sponge" is a radio personality and not a fellow wrassler
1165456;1434498441;mircea_popescu;"I should make it clear: we would have settled too, in the interest of fighting another day, if Hogan’s demands were reasonable and the story flawed in any way. But now that the trial is on, we intend to fight it as far as we need to and we can." = we have as much money as josh garza
1165457;1434498485;mircea_popescu;radio personality ?!
1165458;1434498491;mircea_popescu;what is this, the late 1890s ?
1165459;1434498508;mircea_popescu;anyway very nice work BingoBoingo
1165460;1434498513;cazalla;mircea_popescu, which isn't much these days, it would appear he pawned his domain https://forum.gethashing.com/t/scam-gawminers-paybase-zencloud/67/14048
1165461;1434498514;assbot;[SCAM] GAWMiners, Paybase, ZenCloud - GetHashing Crypto Community Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLXow7 )
1165462;1434498532;mircea_popescu;heh.
1165463;1434498541;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You know like the assholes who keep music from playing on music stations in the morning so instead you set the car's radio to less shitty talk radio all day
1165464;1434498571;mircea_popescu;cazalla i doubt they're selling anything whatsoever at those prices, but hey. the world was made out of pretense.
1165465;1434498583;mircea_popescu;not this world, but a world somewhere sometime. let's pretend it was, at any rate.
1165466;1434498591;cazalla;well if he has no intention to repay the loan, i'm sure he is happy to take anything he can get
1165467;1434498646;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Anyways from what I understand Nick Denton's peak wealth was right around 8-9 figure sum of dollars and he sunk nearly all of it on Gawker Media liberalizing everything. This is likely a move to justify outside investors covering his loss and letting USG propaganda outlet pass to other hands.
1165468;1434498703;mircea_popescu;mats hey, it worked for "cybersex"
1165469;1434498723;BingoBoingo;O.o https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3a3mub/hulk_hogangawker_lawsuit_false_flag_for/
1165470;1434498724;assbot;Hulk Hogan-Gawker Lawsuit False Flag For Investment Scam? : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm4oDO )
1165471;1434498730;mircea_popescu;* ascii_field still not convinced that this is any kind of actual defeat for usg << and if i serve it cooked you still wouldn't be. it's like a religion with you :D
1165472;1434498744;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1165473;1434498789;mircea_popescu;<jurov> with claim of missing deposit and much confusion ensued << nuts eh.
1165474;1434498809;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> * ascii_field still not convinced that this is any kind of actual defeat for usg << and if i serve it cooked you still wouldn't be. it's like a religion with you :D << USG atm is in its "Opium Wars" phase except it is both Britain and China.
1165475;1434498880;mats;it really pleases me that qntra works in lynx
1165476;1434498893;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no way in fuck did anyone sink 1 billion into gawker
1165477;1434498895;mircea_popescu;!up DanielBTC
1165478;1434498911;mircea_popescu;the entire budget for the thing's entire existence is a coupla mil or so. this spercifically discounting all pretense.
1165479;1434498984;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: 9's hundred million? But yeah couple mill per year. Even the first years Gawker cost a few million a year when it was one hired girl and the celebrity stalker because "viral" cost millions paid to Newsweek and other dead trees to get any attention at all.
1165480;1434499004;BingoBoingo;mats: Qntra is optimized for lynx
1165481;1434499014;BingoBoingo;Intentionally optimized for lynx
1165482;1434499125;mats;hogan cucked
1165483;1434499127;mats;thats rich
1165484;1434499130;shinohai;;;later tell ben_vulpes compiled on Debian Jessie and Ubuntu 14.04
1165485;1434499130;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1165486;1434499173;cazalla;if the price keeps going up so fast i'm gonna get fucked on that above $280 bet :\ pls wait 4 days kgo
1165487;1434499186;BingoBoingo;mats: Well, if you are going to get a bull to cuck your wife, but you don't want black in your wife... limits your options...
1165488;1434499202;mats;i wonder if this is how history will remember gawker
1165489;1434499228;mats;destroyed because hulk hogan is on tape asking to be cucked
1165490;1434499242;cazalla;i thought it was hogan fucking the other guy's missus?
1165491;1434499261;BingoBoingo;mats: No, Hogan is doing the cucking as cazalla says
1165492;1434499263;mats;oh right
1165493;1434499380;cazalla;hulk need money? not sure why he'd be so butthurt, not like it was a gay sex tape or something
1165494;1434499416;BingoBoingo;The short of the drama around the tape is Hogan thought he was doing a service by satisfying this guy's wife. The cuckold and his wife violated Hogan's trust by videotaping this charitable act.
1165495;1434499538;BingoBoingo;!up Petit_Dejeuner
1165496;1434499711;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/signify-shortcomings
1165497;1434499712;assbot;signify shortcomings ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sm75oP )
1165498;1434499954;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1165471 << let's put it this way: i look out the window, and see usg. when it is no longer there, then - yes, defeated
1165499;1434499954;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 23:52:10; mircea_popescu: * ascii_field still not convinced that this is any kind of actual defeat for usg << and if i serve it cooked you still wouldn't be. it's like a religion with you :D
1165500;1434500008;asciilifeform;or, something more practical, when somebody tells me what the weak class of aes keys is.
1165501;1434500048;asciilifeform;or a plausible story re: why 'whirlpool' was rejected.
1165502;1434500050;asciilifeform;or, or.
1165503;1434500355;asciilifeform;or, to take a different tack, when 1,001 usg weapons caches in eastern eu and ru are loudly and publicly blown up
1165504;1434500404;asciilifeform;or similar 'leak' with unambiguous physical consequences.
1165505;1434500431;asciilifeform;there was no shortage of these when su was imploding
1165506;1434500443;asciilifeform;it is entirely fair to hold the u.s. collapse to the same historical standard.
1165507;1434501051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00041962 = 32.3107 BTC [-]
1165508;1434501539;*;funkenstein_ is curious what alf sees out the window
1165509;1434501705;*;funkenstein_ frowns at new tabloid qntra
1165510;1434502055;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: What's tabloid?
1165511;1434502134;BingoBoingo;If you are talking about Nick Denton's impending abandonment of Gawker Media... Very early qntra was far less kind to GAW Miners going so far as to label them "Jizz Moppers"
1165512;1434502168;trinque;^ points to a serious decline if you ask me
1165513;1434502172;trinque;(just kidding)
1165514;1434502345;BingoBoingo;It is seriously not a secret at all that Nick Denton sucks cocks. That would literally be the opposite of news.
1165515;1434502449;funkenstein_;gotta keep up with the celebrity gossip i guess
1165516;1434502457;funkenstein_;that's why i read kunstler
1165517;1434502525;funkenstein_;no sorry, likely i am just ignorant and gawker has some importance I don't know about
1165518;1434502574;BingoBoingo;It has tremendous importance in the same way the white squared Bishop does on a chess board.
1165519;1434502591;*;trinque checks the front page of gawker
1165520;1434502602;trinque;yeah... death to gawker
1165521;1434502610;trinque;here's a lol
1165522;1434502615;trinque;http://gawker.com/report-ex-nfl-cheerleader-pleads-guilty-to-raping-15-y-1711738051
1165523;1434502616;assbot;Ex-NFL Cheerleader Pleads Guilty to Raping 15-Year-Old Boy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HR5NiH )
1165524;1434504665;danielpbarron;!up DanielBTC
1165525;1434504809;cazalla;48 year old cheerleader, i guess that could've been traumatic but i would've been quite happy to fuck that at 15
1165526;1434504817;cazalla;prob not brag worthy to ya mates though
1165527;1434504876;BingoBoingo;!up ag3nt_zer0
1165528;1434504894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00042038 = 1.5247 BTC [+]
1165529;1434504894;ag3nt_zer0;Hey thanks BingoBoingo
1165530;1434504901;ag3nt_zer0;how's it going?
1165531;1434505024;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: did you get your gpg sorted?
1165532;1434505062;DanielBTC;Hi people. Thanks for the voice danielpbarron
1165533;1434505094;DanielBTC;I new here in this channel I will read a little the wiki =)
1165534;1434505103;DanielBTC;I'm
1165535;1434505121;BingoBoingo;Oh things are things
1165536;1434505144;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina
1165537;1434505146;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.721972, Best ask: 252.369594, Bid-ask spread: 0.64762, Last trade: 252.369594, 24 hour volume: 29606.80310000, 24 hour low: 237.09087, 24 hour high: 258.087033, 24 hour vwap: 245.967301408
1165538;1434505165;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yeah I am thinking since I was told yesterday that doing it right means local and plaintext then it doesnt really matter that it is linked to something that can operate with thunderbird and enigmail... I can simply keep it linked to my tutanota account... this makes sense to me but I don't know shit about this stuff...
1165539;1434505168;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp
1165540;1434505170;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.97, Best ask: 247.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 247.16, 24 hour volume: 18553.50125584, 24 hour low: 234.35, 24 hour high: 252.2, 24 hour vwap: 243.254668613
1165541;1434505177;felipelalli;welcome DanielBTC! He's a personal friend, same city as mine.
1165542;1434505232;ag3nt_zer0;I am coinfused as to how the "keys" work though... is my "fingerprint" my public key?
1165543;1434505259;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: Any pop3 or imap email that allows your client direct access to smtp for outgoing is fine
1165544;1434505266;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: no, that is a unique identifier for your public key
1165545;1434505282;BingoBoingo;or at least "unique"
1165546;1434505396;ag3nt_zer0;BingoBoingo: yes but if I am encrypting plaintext then I am just attaching the file... tutanota, which I set it up with, provides their own encryption, so it isnt pop3 or imap... I think... they told me they cant do that since they are encrypted
1165547;1434505401;BingoBoingo;Mega med lol http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/06/16/protac_goes_smallmolecule.php
1165548;1434505402;assbot;PROTAC Goes Small-Molecule. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJEhCN )
1165549;1434505452;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: Then don's bother with them. encyt your plaintext to asciiarmored plaintext.
1165550;1434505453;danielpbarron;!up ahmed_
1165551;1434505462;ahmed_;awesome ty
1165552;1434505469;BingoBoingo;Then pass around armored text blobs
1165553;1434505475;ahmed_;danielpbarron: do you want BTC or do u want LTC?
1165554;1434505497;danielpbarron;ultimately i'm gonna trade the LTC for btc, so if you can cut out that step that would be great
1165555;1434505505;ahmed_;alright sure
1165556;1434505506;BingoBoingo;I dun know what tutanota is, but he ideal email provider is three steps dumber than rocks
1165557;1434505520;ag3nt_zer0;tinque: ok, so this is what will be public? and then how do I decrypt?
1165558;1434505523;ahmed_;shoot me the private key in PM and i'll shoot u the BTC? or vice versa
1165559;1434505559;trinque;lol what
1165560;1434505589;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: gpg --export --armor <your email address>
1165561;1434505623;ahmed_;danielpbarron: ^
1165562;1434505645;danielpbarron;ahmed_,
1165563;1434505659;trinque;danielpbarron: send me your private keys kthx
1165564;1434505666;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: maybe I'll be back in a year if I get a clue haha
1165565;1434505693;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: first focus on learning to use the program gpg
1165566;1434505697;trinque;don't worry about email and such
1165567;1434505706;trinque;encrypt and decrypt a textfile using your own key
1165568;1434505814;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: ok sounds good... maybe I am looking at the "keys" wrong... since pgp is called the bitcoin-standard in encrypted communications, I just assumed it would have a public key/private key situation similar to BTC and that this would be how to encrypt and decrypt
1165569;1434505827;trinque;it does have that.
1165570;1434505840;ag3nt_zer0;I will play with it and figure out how to do that basic step first... thanks
1165571;1434505846;*;trinque nods
1165572;1434506219;cazalla;!up Vexual
1165573;1434506265;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.ahmed_.1:dd5d24e5880aa2f04ebe18036995bc8d7df99e83fe9d73a12d40f1ca56640900
1165574;1434506265;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for ahmed_ with note: Litecoin trader
1165575;1434506274;ahmed_;awesome
1165576;1434506286;ahmed_;ty danielpbarron
1165577;1434506294;danielpbarron;now you can voice yourself in here with /msg assbot !up
1165578;1434506297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42973 @ 0.00042474 = 18.2524 BTC [+] {2} 
1165579;1434506358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18877 @ 0.00043601 = 8.2306 BTC [+]
1165580;1434506395;danielpbarron;and thank you! saved me from having to install some sketchy Litecoin thing just to sell it
1165581;1434506430;trinque;ah that's what he meant re: privkeys
1165582;1434506430;scoopbot_revived;Once upon a time, there was a social contract. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/16/once-upon-a-time-there-was-a-social-contract/
1165583;1434506494;danielpbarron;i had this paper wallet from back when I was into altcoins, and today the price of LTC is way up for some reason so i figured i'd finally get rid of that thing
1165584;1434506665;cazalla;meh litecoin price is just chinese exchanges doing what chinese do best.. scamming
1165585;1434506697;cazalla;that jubi exchange has been doing it past few weeks with coins like vertcoin
1165586;1434506990;BingoBoingo;So, LED bulbs... really excelling at exterior lighting.
1165587;1434507010;trinque;much better light than that fluorescent shit
1165588;1434507046;Vexual;from rural king?
1165589;1434507047;cazalla;BingoBoingo, you accepting LED bitcoin mining gifts from bitfury or something? should disclose such a thing eh?
1165590;1434507090;*;asciilifeform only accepts optical, quantum interference mining modules from 'bitlazy'
1165591;1434507102;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Nah, walmart had marked down an older model bulb to clearance, scooped a bunch up. Prolly should have checked for network connectivity and miners
1165592;1434507118;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform only accepts optical, quantum interference mining modules from 'bitlazy' << lol
1165593;1434507138;BingoBoingo;One can only evaluate bitlazy in haskell
1165594;1434507169;asciilifeform;BitLazy! the reich's #1-selling bitcotron! Mine While Not Giving a Flying Fuck (TM) (R)
1165595;1434507191;Vexual;fucklazy (tm)
1165596;1434507261;cazalla;BingoBoingo, what are they rated to last for? i usually go whatever is cheapest on account all that shit is made in china and probably won't last near what they claim it will (but just long enough that i've binned receipt)
1165597;1434507271;asciilifeform;'...aaaand remember kidddz! Tarpy the Terror Tamarind says: Only YOU can prevent Financial Terrorism!'
1165598;1434507296;*;asciilifeform switches off time machine, goes back to wurk
1165599;1434507320;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Every single one everywhere here says up to 22 years so all are bullshitting. I just got to cut consumption vs. previous socket occupants
1165600;1434507328;cazalla;lol 22 years
1165601;1434507351;asciilifeform;'lifetime warranty.' 'whose life?' 'product's'
1165602;1434507459;Vexual;usually
1165603;1434507475;Vexual;if it breaks they update the model nummber
1165604;1434507702;BingoBoingo;!up joecool
1165605;1434507728;Vexual;tv is covered with the scandal of isis agents paying us100's to poor fishermen to take refugees back to indo
1165606;1434507733;Vexual;*asis
1165607;1434507766;BingoBoingo;Moar like AssAss
1165608;1434507768;Vexual;poor fucks might still have their money if it was bitcoin
1165609;1434507793;joecool;BingoBoingo: hey, thanks... i'm in wot though, or did you just miss hearing from me?
1165610;1434507819;BingoBoingo;Just missed you
1165611;1434508025;Vexual;hey duffer
1165612;1434508064;Duffer1;hi guys :) sorry gotta run, afk a bit
1165613;1434508545;BingoBoingo;To the niggers.txt files http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/33145897
1165614;1434508546;assbot;BBC Sport - Lotto Cycling Cup organisers apologise for bikini models ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXSZb7 )
1165615;1434508650;cazalla;surprised they're yet to attack boxing ring girls yet
1165616;1434508948;cazalla;gee google is shit.. i search "word antonym".. did you mean "word synonym" ?
1165617;1434509086;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Ring girls are protected by the mighty pay-per-view barrier
1165618;1434509133;cazalla;BingoBoingo, not every fight is ppv though yet pletny of ring girls to be found on the shitty circuits they show here down under
1165619;1434509204;cazalla;!up Vexual
1165620;1434509246;Vexual;BingoBoingo, The ring girls for our fight are prolly geing born now
1165621;1434509259;BingoBoingo;Vexual: Probably
1165622;1434509313;Vexual;or failing at school
1165623;1434509469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00041783 = 8.6909 BTC [-] {3} 
1165624;1434509472;decimation;maybe they are maths geniuses
1165625;1434509496;Vexual;they can add n to 1
1165626;1434509504;asciilifeform;why would those watch a match, l0l. they fuck 24/7
1165627;1434509743;Vexual;i dunno about maths geniuses, but i know bb knows i don't know to box, and wouldnt expose himself to the spectacle
1165628;1434509753;asciilifeform;http://rem.eifzilla.de/archives/2012/11/27/the-tragedy-of-gnu-copyright-assignments
1165629;1434509754;assbot;The tragedy of GNU copyright assignments -- Werner's own blurbs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdiWNo )
1165630;1434509785;asciilifeform;'Libgcrypt now accepts contributions after having received a simple mail (right, e-mail, no transatlantic snail mail) with a Developer’s Certificate of Origin as known from other projects. Voilà, patches with new features and performance improvements started to come in.'
1165631;1434509795;asciilifeform;^ ?!#!@??@?$%%!!!!!
1165632;1434509828;decimation;asciilifeform: stallman sits upon emacs, etc
1165633;1434509856;asciilifeform;'The FSFE's December newsletter mentioned this article. For whatever reasons it suddenly disappeared from the website. A diff against Google's cache shows...'
1165634;1434510054;decimation;asciilifeform: who are these contributors who were afraid of contributing to a gnu (instead of werner) copyright?
1165635;1434510104;Vexual;diff us
1165636;1434510501;decimation;"as u see on this postcard im in great country of fuckwitstan. pls to commit my patches ur cryptolib"
1165637;1434510506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19198 @ 0.00041648 = 7.9956 BTC [-] {2} 
1165638;1434510561;Vexual;ah
1165639;1434510567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42555 @ 0.0004159 = 17.6986 BTC [-] {2} 
1165640;1434510693;Vexual;a popular process these days no?
1165641;1434510847;Vexual;fucklazy is never good
1165642;1434511299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17223 @ 0.00042444 = 7.3101 BTC [+] {2} 
1165643;1434511673;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "defeated" != "any sort of defeat".
1165644;1434511715;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you have to appreciate i don't do bezzle. that "couple mil" per year was about 20k actual deductibles and the rest fluff.
1165645;1434511782;mircea_popescu;<mats> i wonder if this is how history will remember gawker << it's certainly how i'll remember it. "that wanna-be news-livejournal thing that got destroyed by hulk hogan"
1165646;1434511874;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> or similar 'leak' with unambiguous physical consequences. << the "unambiguous" in there is a no true scotsman. you know for a fact that leaks to date have had physical consequences of the worst kind for the twerps in question, and you know they know, and you can observe them act in consequence of that knowledge. they digested the fact they are informationally defeated.
1165647;1434511908;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure, but you have to consider Denton only does Bezzel, Blow Jobs, and Loss leading social engineering. From what I understand he hit his peak wealth before Gawker got close to popular. Much like i hit peak fitness a decade ago befor I had internet connected terminal at "werk"
1165648;1434511936;mircea_popescu;yeah well. sucks to be him,
1165649;1434512054;BingoBoingo;Sure, but his gay is more accept nao than Turing's was then. Even though he also had to bankroll fat acceptance, Kardashians, and lets hate athletic success to make it happen.
1165650;1434512093;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> So, LED bulbs... really excelling at exterior lighting. << so they are. also they bother the fauna, so less racoons
1165651;1434512111;BingoBoingo;The stray cats adore them
1165652;1434512123;decimation;mircea_popescu: 'has physical consequences' seems like a solid criteria, not 'no true scotsman'
1165653;1434512135;mircea_popescu;the kardasshian part in there is understandable.
1165654;1434512148;mircea_popescu;decimation everything's ambiguous if you wish it to be
1165655;1434512156;BingoBoingo;Sure, the Kim subtype has an ass.
1165656;1434512164;BingoBoingo;The other's are too hammy
1165657;1434512183;decimation;in the case in question though, I think it does do damage to usg where it hurts
1165658;1434512185;mircea_popescu;the others didn't have the gumption tro spend a coupla years as paris hilton's foot slaves
1165659;1434512191;mircea_popescu;this makes a difference.
1165660;1434512194;BingoBoingo;No they didn't
1165661;1434512199;mircea_popescu;decimation look at it this way :
1165662;1434512203;mircea_popescu;!s we know where you live
1165663;1434512204;assbot;7 results for 'we know where you live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=we+know+where+you+live
1165664;1434512220;mircea_popescu;and for that matter
1165665;1434512225;mircea_popescu;!s from:mircea you get killed
1165666;1434512225;assbot;11 results for 'from:mircea you get killed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+you+get+killed
1165667;1434512252;mircea_popescu;generally, early discussion of later to be publicly known stuff is considered unambiguous enough.
1165668;1434512253;scoopbot_revived;BitPay Continues To Falter http://qntra.net/2015/06/bitpay-continues-to-falter/
1165669;1434512257;decimation;not to minimize your reign of terror, but I think usg servants fear chinese agents even more
1165670;1434512258;mircea_popescu;but obviously unambiguity standards vary.
1165671;1434512267;mircea_popescu;why would they be able to distinguish ?
1165672;1434512303;BingoBoingo;Kim has an ass that can only be built from Armenia, Squats, and slavish dedication. Kim's sisters... Have bodies built by lazy and spandex tressing.
1165673;1434512368;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's rephrase. ever heard of a fella named sergey motorin? adolf tolkachev ?
1165674;1434512369;cazalla;fwiw i don't even think she's that attractive (bisfh obviously)
1165675;1434512393;asciilifeform;su folks who turned coat and worked for usg. outed, and shot
1165676;1434512406;mircea_popescu;and who the fuck apologizes for women that look good in bikinis
1165677;1434512407;asciilifeform;that's 'physical consequence'
1165678;1434512425;asciilifeform;and it was (after a bit) public
1165679;1434512427;mircea_popescu;and you don't like the sean guy because reasons.
1165680;1434512451;asciilifeform;http://www.videofact.com/english/tolkachev2.jpg
1165681;1434512452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1CczHYh )
1165682;1434512464;*;asciilifeform always thought this photo was an in-joke of some sort
1165683;1434512672;asciilifeform;usg could answer the 'we know where you live' with 'so what, come and get it'
1165684;1434512778;*;BingoBoingo pretty sure best thing at stopping USG action is other USG inertia and USG molasses
1165685;1434513373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00043635 = 6.1525 BTC [+]
1165686;1434513747;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, https://archive.is/Dwif0#selection-129.405-129.410 << should be "giving" ?
1165687;1434513749;assbot;Hulk Hogan Puts Denton's Control of Gawker Media on Life Support | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcBiNM )
1165688;1434516199;mats;https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2015/06/16/remote-code-execution-as-system-user-on-samsung-phones
1165689;1434516200;assbot;Remote Code Execution as System User on Samsung Phones | NowSecure Blogs  ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY05fK )
1165690;1434516254;mats;har
1165691;1434517706;mircea_popescu;"The only great material difference between Gawker's lines on the fappening and their publication of Bollea's tape is that while photos during the fappening were released in a decentralized manner, Gawker got to publish the Hulk Hogan sex tape first. "
1165692;1434517709;mircea_popescu;heh. got 'em.
1165693;1434518070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30975 @ 0.00041523 = 12.8617 BTC [-] {2} 
1165694;1434519168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25103 @ 0.00041903 = 10.5189 BTC [+]
1165695;1434519534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00041344 = 26.5428 BTC [-] {2} 
1165696;1434521547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28527 @ 0.00041149 = 11.7386 BTC [-] {2} 
1165697;1434521852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24873 @ 0.00040954 = 10.1865 BTC [-]
1165698;1434522705;cazalla;well au signed a free trade agreement with choina today.. PM thinks we should be happy we get cheap shit from china even cheaper now or something
1165699;1434522726;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/australia-and-china-sign-free-trade-agreement/6552940
1165700;1434522727;assbot;Australia and China sign 'history making' free trade agreement after a decade of negotiations - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdPUx4 )
1165701;1434525573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00042685 = 8.6651 BTC [+]
1165702;1434526122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00041132 = 5.5528 BTC [-]
1165703;1434526317;mats;https://github.com/benjamingr/favicon-bug
1165704;1434526318;assbot;benjamingr/favicon-bug · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYcPDo )
1165705;1434529478;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's no alternative sort of deal. the "us in south china sea" story is coming to an end this decade.
1165706;1434529787;mats;usg is notoriously stubborn so please share intel with the class
1165707;1434529871;mircea_popescu;no usable jet, not like carriers would be usable even if they had a jet, no money to back it all up with anyway even if they had a miracle cure for rocketry, and no brains to work the entire thing even if money were somehow to be found, as it's always found when there's brains involved.
1165708;1434529875;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i'll hold you to that!
1165709;1434529880;mircea_popescu;nothing too secret bout it.
1165710;1434530065;mircea_popescu;next us president whoever is gonna be is going to discover a sudden fondness for russia and "move past previous difficulties", and the transition's complete : washington is now a sort of germany, in charge of a large rust bucket that doesn't much care for it.
1165711;1434530097;mats;i dun see it
1165712;1434530134;mircea_popescu;but you do see where it says us gdp < euro gdp yes ?
1165713;1434530172;mats;usg has the next best thing to a naval base in south china sea
1165714;1434530187;mats;the philippines
1165715;1434530196;mircea_popescu;anything the us has is there for the taking.
1165716;1434530242;mircea_popescu;were the philippines in the beijing accord btw ?
1165717;1434530363;mats;im not sure what you're specifically referring to
1165718;1434530387;mircea_popescu;Noynoy Aquino said that the Philippines is still considering to join AIIB. "We have not indicated that we are ready to join also. We are actually at the stage of studying the proposal to join this particular new entity."
1165719;1434530389;mircea_popescu;that.
1165720;1434530409;mircea_popescu;whore be milking the gringo for all he's got.
1165721;1434530458;mats;oh, AIIB
1165722;1434530460;mircea_popescu;japan was also considering it but then... somehow they changed their mind.
1165723;1434530508;cazalla;well if it all goes to shit.. might finally find out what the yanks have been doing at pine gap all these years
1165724;1434530526;mircea_popescu;eh, you might discover that chinese honeymoon much more pleasant than usg dregs.
1165725;1434530536;mircea_popescu;it'll suck when your kids come of age, not next decade.
1165726;1434530584;mats;i am pretty curious to see what happens to china over the next century
1165727;1434530607;mats;the one child policy has serious cultural ramifications
1165728;1434530655;mats;chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines
1165729;1434530697;mircea_popescu;you got women don't ya ?
1165730;1434530711;cazalla;alotta chinese women with aussie men these days
1165731;1434530720;mats;this predicament is why i have no sympathy for all the SJW whiners in USA
1165732;1434530734;mats;folks have no sense of scale
1165733;1434530740;mats;imagine being a chinese male with no prospects
1165734;1434530744;mats;(you can't)
1165735;1434530745;mircea_popescu;back in 1992 all ukrainian girls were dancing in leipzig.
1165736;1434530764;mircea_popescu;give it a little, all ohio girls be dancin' in shanghai
1165737;1434530779;cazalla;yellow man, white pussy, big $$$
1165738;1434530793;mircea_popescu;best swindle ever.
1165739;1434530812;mircea_popescu;recently the airlines managed to lose more money than was made in the history of flight.
1165740;1434530831;mircea_popescu;meanwhile prostitution... i suspect whores are going to make more money this century than total up to date.
1165741;1434530845;mats;how did they manage to do that after making 3x usu profits because cost of fuel going down?
1165742;1434530868;mircea_popescu;this was 2000-2010
1165743;1434530923;mats;my understanding is that operating an airline has always been a losing proposition
1165744;1434530932;mircea_popescu;ayway, whoredom's gonna be great business. the chinese bezzle looks like it's going to be this, a lot of small yellow beta males swarmin' around. except they won't try to go to college and get a mortgage to please the old folks.
1165745;1434530957;mircea_popescu;they'll just carry dept to stick coins in the stereoscopic machine with the girl taking her pants off
1165746;1434530962;cazalla;airline industry is aus is pretty bad, so bad that QANTAS has a debt guarantee from the government
1165747;1434530971;mats;IIRC US-based airlines have consistently reported 1% or 0 profit since being privatized
1165748;1434530995;mats;hedging against cost of fuel is a bitch
1165749;1434531008;mircea_popescu;even train traverl was aspirational at some point
1165750;1434531013;mircea_popescu;and railroads raked it in
1165751;1434531075;mircea_popescu;and re the "imagine being a drone"... why do you think it's so impossible to imagine ?
1165752;1434531142;mircea_popescu;in any case : the best thing that could happen is for a whole lot of lines to go extinct. like... most of them, really.
1165753;1434531642;mats;its a dramatically different thing to be a white WalMart greeter
1165754;1434531663;mircea_popescu;sure
1165755;1434531673;mats;than it is to be a manual laborer for Wu Gang's Mining Emporium
1165756;1434531709;mircea_popescu;more like a freeranged cow for wu gang's organic organ growth farm.
1165757;1434531739;mircea_popescu;plenty western fixations the chinese do not share.
1165758;1434531797;mats;the cultural context is entirely different, and whether its true or not,
1165759;1434531812;mats;there's a lot more implicit potential social mobility involved in being a white dude in us
1165760;1434531855;mircea_popescu;social mobility is a nice way to say it. the other way to say it is "swimming in a shitswamp"
1165761;1434531869;mircea_popescu;as empirically observed, there's not any cause or any way to build anything in a swamp.
1165762;1434531877;mircea_popescu;and everything stinks
1165763;1434531879;mats;whereas, if you're a chinese dude,
1165764;1434531901;mats;literally 1 in 4 dudes you meet will never procreate
1165765;1434531911;mats;sucks to suck
1165766;1434531936;mircea_popescu;i had no idea having kids is the summum bonum
1165767;1434531939;mircea_popescu;when did that happen ?
1165768;1434532025;chetty;only in Amerika can you just decide to be black even if you skin is white
1165769;1434532046;cazalla;mats, are you asian?
1165770;1434532058;mats;yes
1165771;1434532112;cazalla;plenty of white people aren't procreating either, different reasons though (career women)
1165772;1434532157;cazalla;there's what.. a billion or more chinese? i think they're good numbers wise
1165773;1434532207;mircea_popescu;numbers really are worthless.
1165774;1434532218;mircea_popescu;used to be, for most of human history, numbers mattered.
1165775;1434532221;mircea_popescu;they don't, now.
1165776;1434532230;cazalla;why's that?
1165777;1434532240;chetty;it still takes 2 to tango
1165778;1434532249;mircea_popescu;only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.
1165779;1434532269;cazalla;so we're at the point we're it's sorta like bezzle but for people?
1165780;1434532277;mircea_popescu;yep.
1165781;1434532305;mircea_popescu;originally, people pinned women down and stuck it in them because the kids cost nothing, either fed themselves off offal or died, and then could be used, for purposes.
1165782;1434532321;mircea_popescu;then, steam power replaced muscle power, and people started playing talent lottery.
1165783;1434532321;cazalla;well i must say, it comes to a shock that i have been printing bezzle
1165784;1434532329;cazalla;as a shock even
1165785;1434532342;mircea_popescu;one million schmucks had to kill themselves raising kids in new jersey so there could be a miss new jersey on television
1165786;1434532353;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit about rockstars and genius scientists now.
1165787;1434532376;mircea_popescu;consequently... really, no further point. if tomorrow you wake up and there's not ten billion people but ten thousand, there won't be a notable difference.
1165788;1434532385;mircea_popescu;minus, of course, your not being there to notice.
1165789;1434532397;cazalla;could be if the remaining 9,999 are all women :P
1165790;1434532411;mircea_popescu;prolly about 6k of em
1165791;1434532490;mats;i don't care about reproduction, but there is the issue of those others
1165792;1434532504;chetty;would be noticeable when stuff starts breaking down
1165793;1434532510;cazalla;mats, maybe they don't care either?
1165794;1434532520;mats;i suppose the tentative plan is to recolonize oceania and us
1165795;1434532545;mats;pretty hard to ignore biological imperatives, cazalla
1165796;1434532551;mats;even when you enjoy the taste of cock
1165797;1434532557;cazalla;well if/when america topples over, down under is shit out of luck, chinese will come flooding out of the water and on to the land
1165798;1434532600;cazalla;and i can't imagine the chinese men will have much mercy for the aussie men banging their chinese-australian women
1165799;1434532634;cazalla;mats, i doubt they do ignore them which is why pornotubes are the top sites
1165800;1434532635;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe they pay to watch
1165801;1434532709;cazalla;pay in what? dollars? doubtful, iron ore? chinese own it all already
1165802;1434532906;mircea_popescu;uniques lol
1165803;1434533130;cazalla;meh chinese farmed em already
1165804;1434533371;mats;the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee
1165805;1434533377;mircea_popescu;actually there's a decent sf story in there, title it something like "986"
1165806;1434533401;mircea_popescu;the premise being that in that future of barely a thousand people, you don't really need names, and moreover, you can trivially ennumerate the list of everyone
1165807;1434533415;mircea_popescu;mats what's wrong with china ?
1165808;1434533429;mats;clean air, water, and food
1165809;1434533441;mircea_popescu;ah
1165810;1434533456;mircea_popescu;large country, they cvouldn't have fuxcked up all of it
1165811;1434533458;cazalla;copypaste is this a troll? UNHCR begging for donations for nigerians on 8chan? http://i.imgur.com/jVE61J7.png
1165812;1434533459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fm0PnN )
1165813;1434533463;cazalla;mats, i know a place
1165814;1434533489;mats;is it in australia
1165815;1434533507;cazalla;lord howe island
1165816;1434533528;mircea_popescu;lmao check out that stupid shit.
1165817;1434533543;mircea_popescu;!rated copypaste
1165818;1434533543;assbot;You rated user copypaste on 13-May-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Confirmed for the ever-awesome HotWheels..
1165819;1434533551;mircea_popescu;!unrate
1165820;1434533551;assbot;Need a name to unrate.
1165821;1434533556;mircea_popescu;!unrated copypaste
1165822;1434533558;mircea_popescu;grr
1165823;1434533562;mircea_popescu;!unrate copypaste
1165824;1434533562;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f56343150bba7ee3
1165825;1434533587;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.copypaste:2bd02a9ac3a3cd436d7b467d745f289dd238048e035914ca9ab25c2fea40d2d5
1165826;1434533587;assbot;Successfully unrated copypaste
1165827;1434533601;mats;that escalated quickly
1165828;1434533646;mircea_popescu;this is exactly like that one time when the alzheimer dude or w/e his name is wouldn't work with me then partnered up with keiser and started an ever-lulzy kickstarter that got together fiddy bucks and they're neither goinmg to ever mention again, because hey, internet, it's how it works.
1165829;1434533648;mircea_popescu;but EXACTLY.
1165830;1434533670;cazalla;weev
1165831;1434533676;mircea_popescu;there's yer ever-vaunted "social mobility", mats. the nonsensical premise that people should be in charge of their own life and make their own decisions. pure poison for everyone.
1165832;1434533837;cazalla;copypaste, did the AFP or any other coppers from down under contact you regarding those adelaide nude girl pics? (context - http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-people/nude-photos-of-australian-women-shared-on-us-porn-site-20150617-ghpw5q.html)
1165833;1434533839;assbot;Daily Life 404 Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYqxWE )
1165834;1434533844;copypaste;no
1165835;1434533853;copypaste;also regarding that ad, i assume the japanese just put up an ad network
1165836;1434533859;copypaste;i think it's yahoo! ads but i'm not sure
1165837;1434533865;copypaste;i certainly didn't get a list of ads to approve
1165838;1434533875;copypaste;it's probably geotargetted as well, as it mentions australia
1165839;1434533964;cazalla;prob cause i was looking up nat geo african titties earlier
1165840;1434533985;copypaste;for example here's the ad i see https://0x0.st/vc.png
1165841;1434533986;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYqYAh )
1165842;1434533991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00042159 = 8.9799 BTC [+]
1165843;1434533992;copypaste;i can't even read that shit
1165844;1434534001;copypaste;10000 yen / month for something or other
1165845;1434534007;copypaste;i can read the important part :^)
1165846;1434534078;copypaste;but anyway mircea_popescu not sure why you're mad. We agreed to one month. The month ended, things went back to how they were before.
1165847;1434534107;copypaste;I converted what I was given by you and paid $250 to them already.
1165848;1434534120;mircea_popescu;i'm not mad dude.
1165849;1434534127;copypaste;(That doesn't cover close to our bandwidth bills, we served 200TB last month, around $2K...)
1165850;1434534145;copypaste;(So I assume that was absorbed, or written off, or they hope to make it back somehow [somehow indeed])
1165851;1434534194;mircea_popescu;things just went back to how they were before.
1165852;1434534234;cazalla;damn copypaste, this shit is gonna be all over the media here
1165853;1434534244;copypaste;You live in Aus? Unfortunate
1165854;1434534250;copypaste;They've got some real out there laws.
1165855;1434534269;copypaste;Did you know they readily admit to forcing ISPs to capture all data that leaves the country
1165856;1434534276;copypaste;Hell, even that which stays within the country
1165857;1434534295;cazalla;yeah i know :\
1165858;1434534304;cazalla;but tbh, they've prob been doing it for much longer than they admit anyway
1165859;1434534354;cazalla;data retention supposedly lasts 2 years but more likely forevar or until their hdds are full
1165860;1434534419;copypaste;well in the US at least
1165861;1434534421;copypaste;they do it
1165862;1434534426;copypaste;oh sure they do it. but they can't admit to it
1165863;1434534432;copypaste;so they have to at least attempt parallel construction
1165864;1434534465;cazalla;i half expect to see your face on tv and in newspapers here in the next few days
1165865;1434534498;copypaste;i suppose i'll never be headed to australia then
1165866;1434534502;copypaste;humorous
1165867;1434534514;cazalla;well if it's in the adelaide NOW, it'll likely run in the others
1165868;1434534519;copypaste;the site where most of the sharing is happening is actually volafile.io
1165869;1434534531;copypaste;i see cazalla
1165870;1434534537;copypaste;i think they are attempting not to mention me and 8ch
1165871;1434534542;copypaste;because they dont; want people to find it so easily.
1165872;1434534592;cazalla;i don't see the big deal tbh, australian school girls have always been huge moles
1165873;1434534633;mats;;;ud mole
1165874;1434534634;cazalla;agriculture class provided my first clasp of the titty
1165875;1434534634;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mole | mole. a really sexy animal that lives mainly underground. dad: ahh no, look at that lump in the lawn, we must have moles me: ooooo great! *runs out to molest ...
1165876;1434534671;cazalla;nah that UD is wrong, least for aussie mole
1165877;1434534724;mircea_popescu;so what's an aussie mole ?
1165878;1434534738;cazalla;ah i'm spelling it wrong..
1165879;1434534740;cazalla;;;ud moll
1165880;1434534741;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moll | moll. noun. Slang word from Gangland-era America that meant an attractive young woman. It was often used to describe a "gangster"'s love interest. Slick Dan's ...
1165881;1434534749;mircea_popescu;heh k
1165882;1434534751;cazalla;the fuck..
1165883;1434534760;cazalla;wikipedia it is.. "In Australia and New Zealand, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for a woman of loose sexual morals, a bitch, slut, or prostitute. The term can also be used for a girlfriend of a surfie or bikie."
1165884;1434534780;mircea_popescu;so like sheila.
1165885;1434534802;cazalla;yeah sorta
1165886;1434534817;mircea_popescu;o btw, you ever read my aussie pron story ?
1165887;1434534822;cazalla;but sheilas can be molls or prudes
1165888;1434534865;cazalla;not sure.. i read one about black dicks and some other weird shit, was a bit too far out there for me (sorta reminds me of the kid at school who never stfu about sex and knew far more than he should in all honesty)
1165889;1434534888;mircea_popescu;haha lucky we're not in school
1165890;1434534897;mircea_popescu;wait, it's jewish school. shit.
1165891;1434534945;cazalla;copypaste, i spoke too late, it's already on TV
1165892;1434534976;cazalla;free publicity btw, they named your site on tv heh
1165893;1434535599;copypaste;lel
1165894;1434535608;copypaste;i suppose they don't care so much about the uh
1165895;1434535616;copypaste;"privacy of the ladies"
1165896;1434535621;copypaste;as the other pubolications
1165897;1434535623;copypaste;( ≖‿≖)
1165898;1434535821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00042159 = 12.3104 BTC [+]
1165899;1434537685;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Je8d4CVD0w
1165900;1434537686;assbot;copypaste cyber rapes over 500 australian women - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDAvRY )
1165901;1434537718;copypaste;haha
1165902;1434537729;copypaste;"terrified"
1165903;1434537811;copypaste;that girl looks like she's never missed a meal, what's she got to be terrified of?
1165904;1434537870;cazalla;stupid fucking molls
1165905;1434540161;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165736 <-- I'm not sure about Shanghai but in Beijing they'll need to compete with massive population of russian girls
1165906;1434540161;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 08:46:04; mircea_popescu: give it a little, all ohio girls be dancin' in shanghai
1165907;1434540335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00042761 = 8.5308 BTC [+] {2} 
1165908;1434540488;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165728 <--  the policy mostly over already.  lines could always or never go extinct, depending on how you choose to define them.
1165909;1434540488;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 08:44:15; mats: chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines
1165910;1434540892;jurov;http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3a1hmz/if_you_label_any_new_thing_as_contentious_before/ lol such drama
1165911;1434540893;assbot;If you label any new thing as "contentious" before a software vote can take place, that is attempted dictatorship. Theymos has just lost my support. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdkZAi )
1165912;1434541528;funkenstein_;a lot of contentiouses there, but not a lot of content  :)
1165913;1434541756;cazalla;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3a51q6/bitpay_falling_apart_sends_shockwaves_through_the/cs9ffoc lol top keks
1165914;1434541757;assbot;BlockchainOfFools comments on Bitpay falling apart sends shockwaves through the ecosystem by proving Andresen and Hearn are wrong. Merchant transactions are not occurring. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdmNJt )
1165915;1434542110;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867175 < http://opencores.com/project,ddr2_sdram what am i missing here ?
1165916;1434542110;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2014 02:57:29; asciilifeform: but it won't work
1165917;1434542111;assbot;DDR2 SDRAM Controller :: Overview :: OpenCores ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdnmDl )
1165918;1434542273;kakobrekla;ah the problem is on the fpga chip side.
1165919;1434543690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60806 @ 0.0004267 = 25.9459 BTC [-] {2} 
1165920;1434544971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00042812 = 24.2744 BTC [+]
1165921;1434546618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33023 @ 0.00042159 = 13.9222 BTC [-]
1165922;1434546862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44354 @ 0.00043482 = 19.286 BTC [+] {3} 
1165923;1434546923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15982 @ 0.0004374 = 6.9905 BTC [+] {2} 
1165924;1434546956;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165915 << key detail: 'IP-Core : MIG V:3.6.1'. that's 'memory interface generator', xilinx's gui turd. it shits out code which is a mere wrapper on a closed-source gigantic steaming pile of shit. and the output is unique to a particular model and subtype of chip.
1165925;1434546956;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 11:55:10; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867175 < http://opencores.com/project,ddr2_sdram what am i missing here ?
1165926;1434547019;kakobrekla;aha
1165927;1434547079;asciilifeform;you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
1165928;1434547106;asciilifeform;on top of this, all of the critical paths in the circuit must have approximately same propagation delay - or the thing ~won't work at all~
1165929;1434547120;asciilifeform;this, again, is only possible if you know the actual physical fabric (only xilix does)
1165930;1434547128;asciilifeform;thing is, fpga is fundamentally a very cruel lie
1165931;1434547163;asciilifeform;it gives the impression that you can actually turn any valid logical circuit into an imitation of something like slow 1980s silicon
1165932;1434547188;asciilifeform;but in reality, you are stuck using all kinds of pre-baked pieces (adders, shifters, ddr outputs, and the routing fabric per se) baked in there by vendor
1165933;1434547246;asciilifeform;and ~every single chip~ even from particular vendor has entirely different internals.
1165934;1434547304;asciilifeform;the entire thing is cynically deliberate. notice how, e.g., xilinx boards, come with ethernet jack and magnetics? well, you can't actually ~use~ the ethernet without paying a per-unit license fee to the bastards
1165935;1434547319;asciilifeform;because go and try writing own controller with anything like acceptable performance.
1165936;1434547344;asciilifeform;sdram is the absolute worst case, because the difference between 'acceptable performance' and 'works at all, for any purpose' is slim
1165937;1434547367;asciilifeform;because you MUST meet the dram refresh timings - or bits fall on the floor.
1165938;1434547453;asciilifeform;you ~can~ sloppily 'bit-bang' a 10BaseT ethernet nic. but ~not~ sdram controller.
1165939;1434547648;kakobrekla;myea
1165940;1434547667;asciilifeform;a readily-available ~true~ fpga would be the greatest political advance in a century of electronic crud.
1165941;1434547709;asciilifeform;thing could even have a clear lid, like the old uv-erasable eeproms, for inspection with optical microscope (the fabric would be visibly homogeneous)
1165942;1434547728;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1165943;1434547890;asciilifeform;there would be no valid reason for any two units, regardless of ~when~ or ~where~ made, to be distinct in any way other than size and density.
1165944;1434547913;asciilifeform;like grid paper.
1165945;1434547970;jurov;if only you could decide somwhow what s.nsa will be doing
1165946;1434547998;asciilifeform;jurov: i can 'decide' all i want' 'spirit is willing but flesh is weak' in this case. unless you'd like to contribute $100B for a fab and an army
1165947;1434548070;asciilifeform;given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy
1165948;1434548234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's point about the 'excluded middle' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-06-2015#1163457 << thread ) is valid, but it simply means that we are falling from skyscraper and trying to invent parachute on our way down.
1165949;1434548234;assbot;Logged on 13-06-2015 17:27:26; mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.
1165950;1434548301;asciilifeform;i will not say with confidence that no one will ~ever~ make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen or in the jungle. but i WILL say with confidence that no one will make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen ~using things that have been made in today's kitchens.~
1165951;1434548323;asciilifeform;this is an important distinction.
1165952;1434548371;midnightmagic;metalicarap's coming. sooner or later, it'll arrive, and then it's just a matter of time to people being confident that from atomic structure on up, we can be sure that what we wanted is in fact what we have.
1165953;1434548385;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: take a little less lsd
1165954;1434548395;asciilifeform;occasional touch with reality is good for you
1165955;1434548407;midnightmagic;Patience.
1165956;1434548432;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: i don't do 'patience', i do actual understanding of physical reality vs snake oil.
1165957;1434548572;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us
1165958;1434548609;midnightmagic;it, or something like it, will provide metal fab. at-home metal fab allows complex specialty tooling. complex specialty tooling will, eventually, allow home-fab. it is inevitable, much like the mendel was.
1165959;1434548642;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: go and pump a high vacuum from a vessel you sintered on a 'metal printer'
1165960;1434548648;punkman;the mendel was a big achievement?
1165961;1434548650;asciilifeform;but please set up camera for 'darwin tube' first
1165962;1434548657;asciilifeform;so we can watch
1165963;1434548721;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: have you ever witnessed the operation and internals of even a very elementary 'nano' instrument such as electron microscope ?
1165964;1434548726;midnightmagic;metalicarap is not sintering
1165965;1434548783;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: looked it up, saw vapor-dep/sintering gadget
1165966;1434548799;asciilifeform;*sputtering, rather than sintering
1165967;1434548804;asciilifeform;ever sputter anything ?
1165968;1434548836;asciilifeform;how long it took, per mm of metal deposited ? what kind of vacuum, and with what did you pump it?
1165969;1434548895;asciilifeform;i notice that all of the illustrations on http://reprap.org/wiki/MetalicaRap are 3d renderings ...
1165970;1434548899;assbot;MetalicaRap - RepRapWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1d0Yrw4 )
1165971;1434548899;asciilifeform;wonder why.
1165972;1434548971;asciilifeform;also, very amusingly, there are a total of 3 sentences casually referring to xray shielding.
1165973;1434549019;asciilifeform;(can you say 'bremsstrahlung' kidz?!)
1165974;1434549071;midnightmagic;it's within human patience tolerance. x-rays are a natural side-effect of high-energy electron beams hitting metals. shielding is a major consideration in the design.
1165975;1434549076;asciilifeform;this is precisely the kind of animal mircea_popescu wrote about - idiot 'millenials' who have never so much as carved a chess set with own hands, failing to distinguish elaborate 3d drawings from actual tech
1165976;1434549092;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: where is the evidence of any actual physical experiment by these folks ?
1165977;1434549110;midnightmagic;lol you don't know squat about me, punk.
1165978;1434549115;asciilifeform;i sure don't
1165979;1434549117;midnightmagic;ain't no millennial.
1165980;1434549128;asciilifeform;link to an item you, or colleagues, crafted with electron beam?
1165981;1434549137;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-06-2015#1151838 < old but still http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/5217-Blocked-flights/page5
1165982;1434549137;assbot;Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:08; punkman: why do they register these and let them show up on flightradar24?
1165983;1434549139;assbot; Blocked flights - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXW0Y7 )
1165984;1434549149;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: It is not my design, and not my device.
1165985;1434549152;asciilifeform;i would like, for example, to fabricate simple circuits in copper (a la pcb) with electron beam
1165986;1434549161;asciilifeform;would love to know how to do this on a 'jungle' budget
1165987;1434549192;asciilifeform;but so far all i see is... the apparatus described in linked www.
1165988;1434549243;midnightmagic;the primary target is home-printed solar panelling.
1165989;1434549291;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: would be neat. where do i go to get a 10^-4-torr vacuum pump for less than the cost of new car ?
1165990;1434549331;asciilifeform;(i am assuming that you know what kind of pump - multiple pumps, in practice - is involved)
1165991;1434549348;midnightmagic;gmax pointed me at one on ebay not so long ago.. it was pretty inexpensive, certainly less than I'd pay for a used car, at any rate.
1165992;1434549468;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: i'm an aficionado of university surplus junk myself. and will point out that, even without having to pay for shipping (absolute killer, but luckily i live near one) the actual price you pay, once you factor in the cost of (sometimes unobtainable) spare parts to replace broken/missing items - is often not far from 'car'
1165993;1434549519;asciilifeform;and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power
1165994;1434549522;midnightmagic;let's.. see..  hrm. According to the log about it, there was a device capable of a couple orders of magnitude better than 10-4 torr
1165995;1434549570;asciilifeform;sure.
1165996;1434549610;asciilifeform;see, e.g., 'Procedures in experimental physics' (J.D. Strong)  (1938 - yes) -  https://archive.org/details/proceduresinexpe00stro
1165997;1434549612;assbot;Procedures in experimental physics : Strong, John Donovan : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1d10U9H )
1165998;1434549627;asciilifeform;many ways to pump a vacuum.
1165999;1434549637;asciilifeform;most - known even then.
1166000;1434549643;midnightmagic;let's see..   turbomolecular pumps..
1166001;1434549649;asciilifeform;and have not gotten any cheaper.
1166002;1434549704;midnightmagic;metalicarap's stated goal is standard home power source, and rapatan seems to have done a lot of homework on at least feasibility
1166003;1434549733;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: so far all i see is 'homework'
1166004;1434549754;asciilifeform;if you have other sources, with experiments (done on something other than $maxint machinery, surplus or not) plz link...
1166005;1434549790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49976 @ 0.00043125 = 21.5522 BTC [-]
1166006;1434549815;asciilifeform;i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump.
1166007;1434549827;asciilifeform;(does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?)
1166008;1434549918;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: do you know kanzure ? the two of you would get on very well, i think. he's another fella who likes 'doing homework.' wrote a 'nano cad', even. (because surely - somehow - this puts us closer to actually rearranging atoms with bare hands, right? or so goes the theory)
1166009;1434549966;midnightmagic;turbomolecular pumps on ebay seem to range from $1,000 to $3,500. I have no idea which ones would be suitable for the vacuum chamber in a mother m-rap
1166010;1434549979;asciilifeform;(last i saw, the 'cad' did not even do anything so basic as calculating bond strain energies. because atoms == legos, apparently.)
1166011;1434550007;midnightmagic;I'm not doing any homework. I was just curious. People can get curious about things without actually sitting there for 12 months building prototypes.
1166012;1434550055;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: my observation was that there is a curiously large population of people who studiously avoid so much as dipping a toe into the prototype waters.
1166013;1434550067;asciilifeform;while doing a peculiarly heavy amount of 'homework'
1166014;1434550110;midnightmagic;That's nice. I'm going to stop doing your homework for you, now.
1166015;1434550110;midnightmagic;\o
1166016;1434550122;asciilifeform;l0l
1166017;1434550156;punkman;midnightmagic: did you ever built a reprap by the way?
1166018;1434550217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00043899 = 16.8133 BTC [+] {2} 
1166019;1434550302;asciilifeform;!gettrust assbot midnightmagic
1166020;1434550303;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user midnightmagic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=midnightmagic | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/midnightmagic/
1166021;1434550446;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011235 << see also.
1166022;1434550446;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2015 02:47:35; mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from.
1166023;1434550563;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: my original objection is to: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165955
1166024;1434550563;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 13:40:07; midnightmagic: Patience.
1166025;1434550611;asciilifeform;you would have us believe that the idiot cult of technowankerous 'homework doers' will deliver salvation re: the 'ic in your kitchen' problem. and i will say that this is not a harmless misconception.
1166026;1434550644;asciilifeform;because they will not deliver so much as the means for making a usable steel fork. and you can take this to the bank.
1166027;1434550815;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165981 << mega-l0l!
1166028;1434550815;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 13:52:17; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-06-2015#1151838 < old but still http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/5217-Blocked-flights/page5
1166029;1434550858;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: going by what is publicly known, probably something like 1 camera-shy rich fella to 10 cia 'renditions'
1166030;1434550873;kakobrekla;heh
1166031;1434550939;asciilifeform;'There is a discussion on FAA meetings about encrypting the ADS-B signal. By angering the authorities, we will only speed up this process.' << holy fuck the idiocy. i have idea! let's give usg brass cars without license plates ! that way no one will ~ever~ know where they are.
1166032;1434550962;asciilifeform;(or where to point the grenade launcher)
1166033;1434550981;kakobrekla;could be the cam shy guy.
1166034;1434550989;asciilifeform;srsly, hitler oughta fire these fools
1166035;1434551000;asciilifeform;they will get him to early grave.
1166036;1434551022;asciilifeform;(hitlers normally live ~10,000 yrs, dontchaknow)
1166037;1434551488;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165778 << find us another way to amortize the cost of making so much as a z80
1166038;1434551488;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 09:10:49; mircea_popescu: only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.
1166039;1434551530;asciilifeform;(yes, it no longer amortizes, because today's crop of twerps' mere ~eating~ is now -ev.)
1166040;1434551537;asciilifeform;so soon the gears stop.
1166041;1434551900;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165804 << problem is never 'where to flee,' but 'where to flee where can afford to live like gentleman.' everybody here can afford a plane ticket.
1166042;1434551900;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 09:29:31; mats: the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee
1166043;1434551905;asciilifeform;the problems comes after.
1166044;1434551974;mats;will probably end up moving back to mainland
1166045;1434551985;mats;which will be a struggle
1166046;1434551989;asciilifeform;(and before you say 'i am willing to live like mexican', note that for ~you personally~ it will cost 50x what it does for the native-born orc. because he has the extended family, willing to live seven-to-a-room with him without murder, and you don't.)
1166047;1434552034;asciilifeform;mats: mainland ?
1166048;1434552042;mats;mainland china
1166049;1434552059;asciilifeform;mats: anybody waiting for you there ?
1166050;1434552142;mats;second cousins, mostly
1166051;1434552143;kakobrekla;ladyboys
1166052;1434552151;mats;and ladyboys
1166053;1434552231;asciilifeform;mats: so possibly you have the 'seven-to-a-room' thing covered.
1166054;1434552242;asciilifeform;but might want to check with the cousins before buying ticket.
1166055;1434552278;mats;i am not looking forward to the culture shock
1166056;1434552285;asciilifeform;and arrange for a letter of recommendation for lucrative job cooking 'gutter oil' or mining uranium
1166057;1434552308;asciilifeform;(also three light-years ahead of, e.g., my own position in chinese employment market. so don't laugh)
1166058;1434552368;jurov;so this bitcoin thing we're having here is completely useless even in such situation?
1166059;1434552385;asciilifeform;mats: at least they have public executions. i, for instance, am living in a tyrannical empire that doesn't even have fucking public executions to watch. picture that.
1166060;1434552406;mats;yes the executions are a big plus
1166061;1434552411;kakobrekla;!b 2
1166062;1434552412;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/02Q3XT0.txt )
1166063;1434552426;asciilifeform;srsly i would buy a tourist ticket if i could be guaranteed a front seat
1166064;1434552441;mats;folks regularly catch bullet for theft of much less than 1mn
1166065;1434552460;asciilifeform;'kill the chicken to teach the monkeys' (TM) (R)
1166066;1434552461;jurov;also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus
1166067;1434552472;asciilifeform;jurov: very easily.
1166068;1434552504;asciilifeform;(and what means 'not throw under the bus' ??)
1166069;1434552530;jurov;that when i move there, will provide some basic information how to function
1166070;1434552537;asciilifeform;jurov: 'function' ?
1166071;1434552544;asciilifeform;how about employment that doesn't make one want to blow brains out?
1166072;1434552557;asciilifeform;that was hard enough here in usa where i had 20+ yrs to make meatwot
1166073;1434552558;jurov;i don need no fucking employment
1166074;1434552565;asciilifeform;you and mircea - ok
1166075;1434552595;asciilifeform;if 'don need no fucking employment' can live in antarctica. on atomic dirigible.
1166076;1434552608;jurov;you refuse to understand
1166077;1434552617;asciilifeform;what, in particular ?
1166078;1434552718;jurov;people did relocate to shenzen and seem to be happy there without atomic dirigibles. how so?
1166079;1434552730;jurov;for example
1166080;1434552746;asciilifeform;jurov: some 'people' can 'seem happy' on a bowl of rotting rice in a day, earned by sucking 500 cocks.
1166081;1434552748;asciilifeform;they - yes
1166082;1434552749;asciilifeform;me - no
1166083;1434552751;asciilifeform;it's that simple.
1166084;1434552758;kakobrekla;jurov, ascii is not a clean burning engine
1166085;1434552770;kakobrekla;or what was it.
1166086;1434552824;jurov;not even chinese in shenzen eat rotting rice anymore
1166087;1434552847;asciilifeform;jurov: what does the leisure, solitude, quiet, and good eu-style food combo cost in shenzhen ?
1166088;1434552849;kakobrekla;only moldy now.
1166089;1434552862;kakobrekla;cheaper in eu maybe. lol
1166090;1434552885;asciilifeform;how about the vacuum pump from earlier thread ?
1166091;1434552913;jurov;they surely are doing things that need hard vacuum in shenzen. maybe even more than in wash dc
1166092;1434552924;asciilifeform;jurov: things with very clear ROI
1166093;1434552993;jurov;and as for leisure, solitude, quiet, food.. you can find a fault with some of these things anywhere
1166094;1434553012;asciilifeform;jurov: not speaking of 'find a fault' but 'minimal acceptable' here
1166095;1434553026;asciilifeform;where in shenzhen can i live without ~hearing smelling~ the locals?
1166096;1434553059;asciilifeform;can i get real (read: ru or identical) chocolate there? at what cost/gram ?
1166097;1434553086;asciilifeform;how many disease carriers will have to run shoulders with every day ?
1166098;1434553091;asciilifeform;*rub
1166099;1434553108;mats;http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/17/uber-drivers-deemed-employees-by-california-labor-commission via hn
1166100;1434553110;assbot;Uber Drivers Deemed Employees By California Labor Commission  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHtNl )
1166101;1434553115;asciilifeform;and, more to the point, why am i there at all? who asked for me there, paid ?
1166102;1434553152;kakobrekla;elephant trunk for example :)
1166103;1434553160;mats;i sure hope they win their appeal
1166104;1434553167;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: checked my mailbox this morning. no telegram from chinese emperor asking for it.
1166105;1434553173;kakobrekla;dang.
1166106;1434553177;kakobrekla;lets try the afternoon.
1166107;1434553194;jurov;guess you got typical usuan disease. freaks out at the thought of staying outside of The Standard Environment
1166108;1434553199;asciilifeform;mats: glad that you mentioned this. because i did an experiment, and forgot to speak of it. actually tried to ride 'uber.' (did it once before, at an airport, and it sorta worked.) but this time the car approached, clearly saw me, and ... kept going. inside was a gaggle of college 'bros' all holding iPnohes.
1166109;1434553200;jurov;*usian
1166110;1434553214;asciilifeform;jurov is quite mistaken.
1166111;1434553220;kakobrekla;jurov he is caught in local pain minimum
1166112;1434553240;mats;that's weird, Uber isn't a ride sharing bidness
1166113;1434553250;asciilifeform;mats: it most certainly is not
1166114;1434553260;asciilifeform;mats: which is why i suspect that a new scam was invented
1166115;1434553264;jurov;but insisting that there is even no quality chocolate? what do the chinese rich eat, flavored vegetable oil?
1166116;1434553275;asciilifeform;whereby a bunch of folks pretend to be an uber 'cabbie' and 'pick up' customers
1166117;1434553276;jurov;with honkgkong next door?
1166118;1434553295;asciilifeform;i suspect that the iPnohe only checks that a chump has been 'picked up', but not delivered
1166119;1434553299;asciilifeform;(on gps coords)
1166120;1434553314;asciilifeform;so gaggle of 'dudebros' sits all in one 'cab' and rakes in the dough.
1166121;1434553316;mats;chinese uber is getting raped in this way
1166122;1434553323;asciilifeform;this was on a u.s. university campus
1166123;1434553345;mats;folks abusing promotional $30 ride credit
1166124;1434553346;asciilifeform;i filled a knapsack with books and didn't feel like trudging home in the 99% humidity
1166125;1434553353;asciilifeform;ended up doing so anyway
1166126;1434553384;asciilifeform;best part - they charged me five bux to 'cance;
1166127;1434553385;asciilifeform;l
1166128;1434553405;mats;ive never experienced your particular problem before
1166129;1434553417;mats;have taken at least a hundred rides now
1166130;1434553422;asciilifeform;(wrote hate mail, they 'gave it back' as shop credit. as if i have much desire for this service now)
1166131;1434553433;asciilifeform;may depend on locale
1166132;1434553444;mats;slave labor beats car ownership
1166133;1434553468;asciilifeform;if i used 'uber' for commute, could easily sum to cost of a nice car every month...
1166134;1434553532;funkenstein_;didi kuadi and others kicking uber ass in beijing
1166135;1434553579;funkenstein_;also i can look for 10^-4 torr vacuum providers
1166136;1434553619;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: while you're at it, compute the cost of a 10km^2 opaque bubble for me to live in there.
1166137;1434553635;mircea_popescu;ahhh, another 2. at this rate i'll be rich!
1166138;1434553674;mircea_popescu;oh yeah, and while at it alf, compute the cost of raising ten children off three different women, also sight unseen.
1166139;1434553675;funkenstein_;pure diamond ok ascii?
1166140;1434553682;jurov;alf now requires hard vacuum to live?
1166141;1434553698;asciilifeform;jurov: i can do without hard vacuum (hard enough to get it here)
1166142;1434553702;asciilifeform;but not without the entire orchestra
1166143;1434553704;mircea_popescu;because if we're doing the entire "here's some random shit i came up with, do planning for it", might as well.
1166144;1434553725;mircea_popescu;you know, naggum had a very unflattering piece re this approach, alf.
1166145;1434553733;asciilifeform;the given example was anything but random.
1166146;1434553737;mircea_popescu;something about norwegian meteorology.
1166147;1434553741;asciilifeform;it's back to the 'living vs existing' thread.
1166148;1434553753;asciilifeform;why not i move to beijing straight to the jail?
1166149;1434553756;mircea_popescu;"opaque 10skm bubble" is not random ?
1166150;1434553759;asciilifeform;answer: i can sit in the american jail now!
1166151;1434553766;asciilifeform;closer to home
1166152;1434553773;mircea_popescu;forget that part.
1166153;1434553787;mircea_popescu;you're not liable to get anywhere by simply following your own mental narrative in circles.
1166154;1434553804;mircea_popescu;did you or did you not say 10 sqkm opaque bubble, and is it or is it not 15yo cocklet-ism
1166155;1434553812;jurov;mircea_popescu: it comes out that if you ever decide to relocate alf, will need to manage it and provide usg-level amenities
1166156;1434553823;asciilifeform;cartoon example, ferphuxxsake
1166157;1434553827;mircea_popescu;no.
1166158;1434553841;mats;lol
1166159;1434553846;mircea_popescu;that's the exact problem in discussion here. you're freely mixing cartoons and footage, for a very lsd-looking example.
1166160;1434553852;mircea_popescu;stick to one or the other.
1166161;1434553874;asciilifeform;entire discussion isn't firmly grounded in reality. no one asked for me in shenzhen, or will.
1166162;1434553894;mircea_popescu;yes, the best dreams start with a twisted version of reality.
1166163;1434553898;mircea_popescu;the worst dreams never end.
1166164;1434553900;kakobrekla;jurov> alf now requires hard vacuum to live? < lmao
1166165;1434553922;asciilifeform;live/exist
1166166;1434553938;mircea_popescu;i wonder if aiming to be a spherical chicken makes one transfat ?
1166167;1434554054;asciilifeform;i have lived in cities. in crappy soviet dwellings, with little room to move, even. in order to do this again voluntarily i would want something very valuable in return. such as not having to work for a living ever.
1166168;1434554109;asciilifeform;would have to stick to mathematics, probably. (can one even get unfiltered internet in shenzhen ?)
1166169;1434554116;mircea_popescu;the notion that future you asks past you anything at all is very 16yo-ish female in kabul sort of thought. it's not how it works.
1166170;1434554127;mircea_popescu;"oh in order to put up with what my mother puts up with i will want blabla"
1166171;1434554129;asciilifeform;no one asked me, aha.
1166172;1434554136;asciilifeform;which is why the whole thing is an acid trip
1166173;1434554138;mircea_popescu;nobody ever gave a shit. least of all the girly in discussion once she's 17.5
1166174;1434554150;asciilifeform;the only thing i might be asked is if i'd like to be shot in the head or chest
1166175;1434554157;mircea_popescu;dubious
1166176;1434554163;asciilifeform;and that's only if interlocutor is feeling charitable.
1166177;1434554164;mircea_popescu;i remember some guy paying a lot of money for that sort of thing
1166178;1434554167;mircea_popescu;and still not getting it
1166179;1434554170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha!
1166180;1434554174;asciilifeform;jack ketch took tips, famously!
1166181;1434554178;asciilifeform;remember him
1166182;1434554197;funkenstein_;vpn is slow over there but works as you'd expect
1166183;1434554205;asciilifeform;as pictured in the well-loved 'baroque cycle' by n. stephenson
1166184;1434554220;asciilifeform;little boys would earn pennies by pulling on legs of hanging men at tyburn
1166185;1434554229;asciilifeform;(they paid on the gallows in advance)
1166186;1434554261;asciilifeform;idk if i'll pay. what'll i do if the kid refuses to pull? negrate him as i swing ?
1166187;1434554345;asciilifeform;at any rate, if the thread were about things that are ~likely to~ happen to me, vs 'what i'd like', it'd be much shorter and even more boring.
1166188;1434554394;asciilifeform;as it is, i fully expect to envy the '16yo-ish female in kabul
1166189;1434554398;asciilifeform;'
1166190;1434554403;funkenstein_;and there's stephenson again today :D
1166191;1434554433;kakobrekla;that girl dosnt get us or ru grade chocolate
1166192;1434554449;asciilifeform;she does get to not be fed into a woodchipper feet first, for example
1166193;1434554527;asciilifeform;also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset.
1166194;1434554534;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165947 dont see how this could be worse someplace else
1166195;1434554534;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 13:34:30; asciilifeform: given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy
1166196;1434554563;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: very easily. could, like 99.999% of the others, have this +plus+ no money
1166197;1434554572;mats;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/06/11/1616215/ubers-rise-in-china-may-be-counterfeit << what i was referencing earlier
1166198;1434554574;assbot;Uber's Rise In China May Be Counterfeit - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GONtWB )
1166199;1434554574;asciilifeform;(and no chocolate)
1166200;1434554580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it's valuable, it's pretty sopping liquid alright
1166201;1434554590;*;asciilifeform knew mircea_popescu would say this ^ !
1166202;1434554591;asciilifeform;l0l
1166203;1434554625;mircea_popescu;i just saw "love me or live me" last night. story of fucking america retold as being being built by a sucker labouring atop a dry cunt.
1166204;1434554637;funkenstein_;my sources tell me uber is for 外国人
1166205;1434554638;mircea_popescu;very innerving movie.
1166206;1434554639;mats;somehow the 'we have a terrible business plan' has yet again transmogrified into the old 'omg the chinese are counterfeiting again' narrative
1166207;1434554683;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: it also matters ~what~ the 98% is spent doing
1166208;1434554723;kakobrekla;for the price of your life
1166209;1434554733;asciilifeform;everybody dies.
1166210;1434554737;asciilifeform;can't buy out of it.
1166211;1434554746;kakobrekla;your estimates are rather short.
1166212;1434554753;asciilifeform;'life' per se isn't worth much.
1166213;1434554765;*;funkenstein_ is happy some of that time is spent teaching the kids in b-a
1166214;1434554775;kakobrekla;well you can do 2% cleaning toilets and 98% whatever else
1166215;1434554792;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: wake me up when cleaning toilet pays 1000/min
1166216;1434554797;mircea_popescu;where's that cleaning toilets pic i had...
1166217;1434554812;mircea_popescu;it actually paid something like 2k/session.
1166218;1434554816;kakobrekla;the golden ones ?
1166219;1434554821;mircea_popescu;but you'll have to get in shape, alf.
1166220;1434554826;mircea_popescu;and i mean, tits and all.
1166221;1434554827;asciilifeform;(and when magical fairy dust is sprinkled on planet so the 1000/minute cleaners do not move prices of anything at all)
1166222;1434554842;asciilifeform;!s boys are worthless
1166223;1434554843;assbot;0 results for 'boys are worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=boys+are+worthless
1166224;1434554851;asciilifeform;!s boys worthless
1166225;1434554851;assbot;0 results for 'boys worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=boys+worthless
1166226;1434554856;asciilifeform;l0lwat
1166227;1434554869;asciilifeform;i distinctly recall when mircea_popescu wrote this important truth
1166228;1434554869;kakobrekla;!s girls worthless
1166229;1434554870;assbot;2 results for 'girls worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=girls+worthless
1166230;1434554882;kakobrekla;ba search fight
1166231;1434554919;*;asciilifeform guesses that '2k per session' was gurl, cleaning with own tongue
1166232;1434554929;asciilifeform;and not toilet, but arse directly
1166233;1434554945;mircea_popescu;incidentally this is pretty good http://41.media.tumblr.com/77fad6553eebe3a966ae330338774d5f/tumblr_netmudh2oj1u31v3yo1_1280.jpg
1166234;1434554949;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOP26Q )
1166235;1434554963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prison tattoo ?
1166236;1434554989;mircea_popescu;yeah, from the californy.
1166237;1434554997;asciilifeform;(looks drawn with marker)
1166238;1434555018;kakobrekla;it did say 'permanent' on the marker.
1166239;1434555024;mircea_popescu;ohohohhhhohh http://40.media.tumblr.com/04851812b3a6940ce2fe539a341532ab/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o2_1280.jpg
1166240;1434555025;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPge6 )
1166241;1434555026;mircea_popescu;annnd http://40.media.tumblr.com/5f304a0119aa3b6d726fda2ce9c9859b/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o3_1280.jpg
1166242;1434555027;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPf9W )
1166243;1434555029;asciilifeform;will guess that schmuck fell down, drunkenly, and was 'illustrated' after his clothes were stolen
1166244;1434555038;mircea_popescu;let jurov never say i don't have anything in this vein.
1166245;1434555048;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha kakobrekla
1166246;1434555070;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/0c11d9aa7d5866207330a96f1df20689/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o5_1280.jpg last one with toyota monkey.
1166247;1434555071;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPnGA )
1166248;1434555193;*;jurov 's not sying anything
1166249;1434555211;mircea_popescu;is he hot btw ?
1166250;1434555247;midnightmagic;That moron should be wearing shoes, those rocks are sharp.
1166251;1434555247;mircea_popescu;i know girly doing that number'd pretty much look hot regardless. but the straight me thinks it's rather disqualifying for a man.
1166252;1434555266;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic maybe it adds to the value proposition.
1166253;1434555284;midnightmagic;"I can take a good sole-caning"?
1166254;1434555307;mircea_popescu;something like that. prolly phrased by original author more in the vein of "i jus dun care!11"
1166255;1434555332;mircea_popescu;drive fast die young leaving a wholly pierced foot sole.
1166256;1434555387;jurov;not my type, i'm more for bears
1166257;1434555387;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to polish golden toilet
1166258;1434555414;kakobrekla;do it with roughsandpaper.
1166259;1434555422;mircea_popescu;in protest
1166260;1434555429;kakobrekla;and collect.
1166261;1434555432;midnightmagic;Notice the lack of foot arches. I thought that was a sign of a lack of exercise.
1166262;1434555456;mircea_popescu;flat feet's just the sign of peasantish genetics.
1166263;1434555499;mircea_popescu;(and the original reason high heels were invented. if the girl's properly heeled, you can't tell)
1166264;1434555528;midnightmagic;huh.  could've sworn it was an exercise thing.
1166265;1434555628;mircea_popescu;nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it
1166266;1434555651;mircea_popescu;like some never grow out of the other infantile deformities.
1166267;1434556011;mircea_popescu;"qntra.net is a rabid bitcoin maximalist blog, run by one of the permanent fixtures in the #bitcoin-asshats tribe.
1166268;1434556012;mircea_popescu;These guys believe, without a trace of irony, that there will someday be no other currency than Bitcoin"
1166269;1434556016;mircea_popescu;wait, we believe this now ?
1166270;1434556036;shinohai;wut
1166271;1434556043;mircea_popescu;i thought we were the only ones left that actually believe there is a place for scrip like usd & the rest of the fiats, doing roughly the job of movie tickets and coffee coupons
1166272;1434556060;mircea_popescu;meanwhile reddit iirc was rabidly "bitcoin must have endless blocks to be the only currency".
1166273;1434556068;mircea_popescu;very weird what conclusions stupid ends up with.
1166274;1434556100;shinohai;If yu want rabid inflation that having no hard limits on blocks causes, try doge.
1166275;1434556162;mircea_popescu;oh, wait, reddit was already publicly humiliated ?
1166276;1434556173;mircea_popescu;no wait, that must be wrong. it was... oh... uh... iot was a DIFFERENT REDDIT!111
1166277;1434556190;mircea_popescu;i didn't stomp all over their stupid faces those were different faces of different anon derps. this time it'll work!!!
1166278;1434556192;mircea_popescu;etc.
1166279;1434556206;mircea_popescu;oh yes, reddit's real life hasn't begun yet!
1166280;1434556210;mircea_popescu;i forgot that part.
1166281;1434556260;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165927 << this specific bit should be measurable no ?
1166282;1434556260;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 13:17:59; asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
1166283;1434556273;mircea_popescu;i am not for a moment arguing against the closed turdness approach ddram is wrapped in
1166284;1434556284;mircea_popescu;just ftr.
1166285;1434556329;mircea_popescu;(and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)
1166286;1434556605;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.
1166287;1434556605;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 13:28:48; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
1166288;1434556610;mircea_popescu;made by zeiss
1166289;1434556783;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165957 << this is you know, like saying that "printed matter powered education is nonsense, it costs more to write the infolios than an entire campus of ivy league's worth". or, for that matter, "it takes more work to program a sound card than it takes to think through all the problems humanity has thought through so far".
1166290;1434556783;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 13:42:52; asciilifeform: midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us
1166291;1434556818;mircea_popescu;yes, that so far is right. the thing it fails to account for is that roads create traffic, not the other way around. it's not need that creates advance, as the idiots writing schoolbooks claim. the other way around.
1166292;1434556876;mircea_popescu;and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
1166293;1434556931;mircea_popescu;now we understand that retrospectively, the chord in phones is not a requirement but an anachronism, and we expect everything be available as wired or wireless at our option. but the wired/wireless dichotomy was not even meaningful to bell, or marconi.
1166294;1434556964;mircea_popescu;yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
1166295;1434556970;mircea_popescu;so, im sure he has it. patience.
1166296;1434557037;kakobrekla;patience and patients. so close.
1166297;1434558147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00043716 = 1.5856 BTC [+]
1166298;1434559368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31249 @ 0.00044452 = 13.8908 BTC [+] {2} 
1166299;1434559428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150414 @ 0.00044499 = 66.9327 BTC [+] {2} 
1166300;1434560770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22071 @ 0.00044528 = 9.8278 BTC [+] {2} 
1166301;1434561129;thestringpuller;has there been discussion here on BIP-100 yet?
1166302;1434561135;thestringpuller;i don't see anything in the logs.
1166303;1434561428;danielpbarron;!up referredbyloper
1166304;1434561471;kakobrekla;heh
1166305;1434561472;kakobrekla;http://dpaste.com/0TF2ZGD.txt
1166306;1434561474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1d1uUSM )
1166307;1434561561;BingoBoingo;lol kakobrekla very small orders
1166308;1434561601;kakobrekla;400k active users is everyone who ever visited their webpage + theri dog + webrobots
1166309;1434561855;mats;Unauthorized Cross-App Resource Access on OS X and iOS  http://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.06836v1.pdf
1166310;1434561858;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1d1vuAb )
1166311;1434561954;mats;note that this has been unpatched for ~6mos
1166312;1434562153;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1166313;1434562220;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166281 << everything is 'measurable.' but you have to be ~able to lay out the circuit physically~ rather than merely mathematically to get the guaranteed equal delays. as in, you have to have knowledge of ~all~ addressable part of the fpga.
1166314;1434562220;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 15:51:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165927 << this specific bit should be measurable no ?
1166315;1434562249;ascii_field;i will remind readers that reversing fpga is not impossible, and has been done. but takes ~20 years and chip is usually unobtainable after 5-10 (sooner if vendor learns that you're doing this)
1166316;1434562269;ascii_field;aaaand it is done by tearing apart the (x86) toolchain, rather than the chip
1166317;1434562292;ascii_field;the entire thing, note, is built specifically around making this activity as unpleasant and expensive as possible.
1166318;1434562331;ascii_field;(xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)
1166319;1434562367;menahem;;;later tell williamdunne it's live: https://koinswag.com/shop/bitcoin-t-shirt/mircea-popescu-bitcoin-t-shirt/
1166320;1434562369;assbot;Mircea Popescu Bitcoin T-Shirt - KOIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qV6o )
1166321;1434562369;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1166322;1434562372;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166285 << it most assuredly is not. and on top of it, as soon as you're anywhere near done, they make a new and entirely incompatible one.
1166323;1434562372;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 15:52:09; mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)
1166324;1434562394;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166286 << quartz
1166325;1434562394;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 15:56:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.
1166326;1434562467;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166294 << wtf - maxwell understood, and so well that he couldn't even be bothered to ~do~ it
1166327;1434562467;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:44; mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
1166328;1434562468;shinohai;Thank you menahem, I bookmarked. My world is not complete without a mircea popescu cult t-shirt.
1166329;1434562492;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166295 << the process to which the fool was referring IS NOT HAPPENING
1166330;1434562492;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:50; mircea_popescu: so, im sure he has it. patience.
1166331;1434562505;ascii_field;no one is working on desktop ic fab.
1166332;1434562520;ascii_field;not in any way that leaves any public evidence of itself whatsoever, at any rate!
1166333;1434562537;ascii_field;(morons pulling their cocks in 'nanotech'-flavoured ways does NOT count as work)
1166334;1434562566;ascii_field;it isn't happening or so much as credibly threatening to happen
1166335;1434562573;menahem;bahaha shinohai - it was a must. :D
1166336;1434562597;ascii_field;and the folks who have notions that it is, demonstrate a total black-as-night unmarred by any light ignorance of the physical basics involved
1166337;1434562617;shinohai;I want to take a picture of myself wearing it and post it to reddit to see how many downvotes I get :D
1166338;1434562644;menahem;hahaha, imagine a team of us.
1166339;1434562703;mats;you're embarrassing
1166340;1434562791;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166286 << Aaaalso - you don't need to distinguish features to prove homogeneous circuit. can use... optical comparator (ask a machinist. 1910s tech.)
1166341;1434562791;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 15:56:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.
1166342;1434562807;ascii_field;(homogeneous - per 'specificity of diddling' theorem)
1166343;1434562882;menahem;mats, whom ?
1166344;1434563193;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166292 << today we learn that mircea_popescu is actually an immortal (greek?) god and reasons in the timescale of immortal being
1166345;1434563193;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 16:01:16; mircea_popescu: and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
1166346;1434563559;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166318 <--  and Atmel too on satellites?  How does this work in practice, do you buy schematics?
1166347;1434563559;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 17:32:11; ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)
1166348;1434563599;ascii_field;funkenstein_: the way it works is that there is literally no way to build a 'bitstream' (as the configs are called) for a chip without using vendor's turd toolchain
1166349;1434563641;funkenstein_;which requires, logging into server or something?
1166350;1434563643;ascii_field;and if you want, e.g., a 100BaseT nic, or sdram controller, it has to be laid out mainly by hand using floor plan of the particular chip and explicit coordinates. which vendor can do, and you (user) cannot.
1166351;1434563653;ascii_field;funkenstein_: no, it runs on pc
1166352;1434563664;ascii_field;think several GB of obfuscated crud
1166353;1434563682;funkenstein_;so, the turdchain phones home?
1166354;1434563701;ascii_field;funkenstein_: some of them - this too
1166355;1434563715;ascii_field;but a properly-cracked one will not
1166356;1434563728;funkenstein_;that is fucked btw..  why can't they charge for the hardware?
1166357;1434563735;funkenstein_;yeah that was my next question :)
1166358;1434563760;ascii_field;funkenstein_: they -also- charge $maxint for the hardware
1166359;1434563765;ascii_field;who said they didn't
1166360;1434563783;ascii_field;price some of the larger xilinx chips
1166361;1434563787;ascii_field;well into 4-digits usd
1166362;1434563788;ascii_field;some - 5
1166363;1434563826;funkenstein_;so properly cracked turds will get you out of the extra charges for.. using the hardware you paid for?
1166364;1434563841;ascii_field;(and only a paid-up, to the tune of 100K+ usd, or well-cracked, xilinx toolchain, will even talk to the $200-300 ones)
1166365;1434563861;ascii_field;funkenstein_: the extra charges, but not the retardation
1166366;1434563884;ascii_field;(of having to use the gui, every time you get a slightly variant chip, and of never coming remotely close to understanding wtf is in the black box)
1166367;1434563913;ascii_field;considering that to me, the ~whole fucking point~ of fpga is to get a computer which ~i and only i~ define
1166368;1434563918;ascii_field;it's a total scam.
1166369;1434563951;funkenstein_;wow, no wonder the era of fpga mining didn't last long
1166370;1434563960;ascii_field;funkenstein_: aaaactually
1166371;1434563962;ascii_field;it continues
1166372;1434563963;kakobrekla;has nothing to do with it.
1166373;1434563965;ascii_field;!s hard copy asic
1166374;1434563966;assbot;2 results for 'hard copy asic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hard+copy+asic
1166375;1434563974;ascii_field;today's 'asics' are scams
1166376;1434563981;funkenstein_;ah ha
1166377;1434563985;ascii_field;(they are fpga with hardcoded metallization layer)
1166378;1434564012;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field
1166379;1434564017;kakobrekla;eh srsly
1166380;1434564112;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1166381;1434564116;ascii_field;kakobrekla: at the very least, every single one of the ~publicly sold~ chips, afaik, fits this description as per the published specs.
1166382;1434564179;kakobrekla;yeah just that the era of fpgas he meant was over purely because of economics
1166383;1434564257;funkenstein_;"In your labyrinthine journey, [..] in the world of iron, learn to catch the thought behind the machine or it will swallow you."
1166384;1434564283;ascii_field;kakobrekla: 'hard copy fpga' has fixed metal, rather than sram LUTs for routing matrix. so slightly faster (and significantly cheaper to manufacture) than ordinary fpga
1166385;1434564294;ascii_field;but it is still not a true asic, because the pieces are not movable
1166386;1434564312;ascii_field;which is to say, they are all over the place and connected by the equivalent of very long wires
1166387;1434564332;funkenstein_;so the big guns aren't out yet
1166388;1434564334;ascii_field;and you don't have the ones you might like, but solely the ones the chip came with from xilinx etc
1166389;1434564359;ascii_field;funkenstein_: they are out, but belong to usg & its antipodal counterparts
1166390;1434564367;ascii_field;not to schmucks on the street
1166391;1434564374;funkenstein_;and are they firing?
1166392;1434564420;ascii_field;funkenstein_: mircea_popescu and the little birds who whisper in his ear say 'yes'
1166393;1434564420;*;funkenstein_ ducks and covers
1166394;1434564429;ascii_field;me, how the fuck would i know
1166395;1434564460;ascii_field;the only fact ~i~ know is that the network hash sum does not even begin to be accounted for by even the most liberal estimate of miner machines publicly sold to date
1166396;1434564480;ascii_field;but this is known to ~everyone~, even homo redditicus
1166397;1434564484;ascii_field;make of it what you will.
1166398;1434564557;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166265 << didja have quack snake-oil 'cures' for flat feet in ro ?
1166399;1434564557;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 15:40:28; mircea_popescu: nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it
1166400;1434564563;ascii_field;we sure did in su
1166401;1434564868;punkman;"In addition to calling for resignations, Lieu asked OPM to show some remorse. “One word I haven’t heard is sorry,� Lieu said. “When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?�"
1166402;1434564880;punkman;http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2015/06/opm-will-soon-notify-new-wave-workers-their-data-was-hacked/115441/
1166403;1434564881;assbot;OPM Will Soon Notify New Wave of Workers Their Data Was Hacked - Pay & Benefits - GovExec.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPhZj6 )
1166404;1434564915;ascii_field;“When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?�" << 'when the crayfish whistles on the mountain, and the fish in the sea begin to sing' (tm) (r) (ru)
1166405;1434564992;punkman;"Rather than immediately encrypt data, OPM plans to reduce the number of  computer users with access to systems and require multistep login  verifications, she said. OPM's fiscal 2016 request for congressional  funding asks for an additional $21 million"
1166406;1434565008;punkman;they are gonna get paid of course
1166407;1434565071;ascii_field;meanwhile, http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cia-john-brennan-financial.pdf http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dni-james-clapper-financial.pdf << mircea_popescu tell me again how these buggers are 'poor'
1166408;1434565077;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPiqK7 )
1166409;1434565082;punkman;"The day after the breach was made public, OPM finalized a more than $20 million deal with Winvale Group to start notifying individuals "within 48 hours of award.""
1166410;1434565092;ascii_field;^ and this is just the ~publicly disclosed~ income
1166411;1434565114;*;ascii_field l0lz re: herr clapper owning facebook stock
1166412;1434565246;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-susan-rice-financial.pdf << see also
1166413;1434565303;mircea_popescu;o holy log lol.
1166414;1434565306;mircea_popescu;!up tcrypt
1166415;1434565326;ascii_field;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-magical-content-tree.html << where herr orlov contemplates cribbing mircea_popescu's 'pay per article' thing
1166416;1434565327;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Magical Content Tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPj22j )
1166417;1434565343;mircea_popescu;we wish him luck...
1166418;1434565354;ascii_field;i don't think they have bitcoin on his planet yet, though
1166419;1434565360;mircea_popescu;tho... didn't he just beg a few k's recently to buy himself a new mayo dildo or something ?
1166420;1434565364;ascii_field;15k
1166421;1434565366;ascii_field;diesel
1166422;1434565382;mircea_popescu;what more does he want exactly ?
1166423;1434565393;ascii_field;looks like he has... 14,314
1166424;1434565402;ascii_field;(goal 15,956)
1166425;1434565415;mircea_popescu;iirc baseline is a dollar a day, so... there's his lifetime income
1166426;1434565418;mircea_popescu;what more does he want.
1166427;1434565429;ascii_field;wai wut
1166428;1434565431;ascii_field;baseline ?
1166429;1434565439;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1166430;1434565439;ascii_field;for whom? beggar in calcutta ?
1166431;1434565448;mircea_popescu;earht average.
1166432;1434565463;ascii_field;earth average is a bacterium.
1166433;1434565465;mircea_popescu;this is what we are proceeding on, right ? "human"
1166434;1434565469;ascii_field;i don't think they've invented begging yet
1166435;1434565653;ascii_field;btw as a long-time reader of herr orlov, i can't help but notice that he spat on diesels and bragged about a seldom-used ('only in doldrumss') outboard petrol engine
1166436;1434565666;mircea_popescu;aha
1166437;1434565678;ascii_field;but then he birthed a son, and bought a boat 2x the size
1166438;1434565694;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall this, like i vaguely recall his being the sort that's "correct in the broad strokes but entirely out of small change" as the expression goes.
1166439;1434565695;ascii_field;(and perhaps doesn't quite have the stamina to single-handedly operate the sails any more ?)
1166440;1434565708;mircea_popescu;god help you if you start factchecking anything he says. very yarvinesque habit this
1166441;1434565730;ascii_field;he wrote a whole piece about how he threw the decrepit diesel out of the original boat's bilge to make a storage room
1166442;1434565847;ascii_field;for those who are ~not~ readers of mr o - his 'post-collapse future business' schtick is based on 'fossil-fuel-free freight along u.s. coasts using sailboats'
1166443;1434565872;ascii_field;apparently now is not yet the time to practice this ?
1166444;1434565889;ascii_field;or what, he likes the smell of diesel smoke ?
1166445;1434565943;funkenstein_;"But this is the new lay of the land; we can't change it, and we can't ignore it."
1166446;1434565970;mats;har, acquaintances are receiving emails about their OPM file being compromised
1166447;1434565978;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1166448;1434566017;ascii_field;can't wait for the fake ones
1166449;1434566032;ascii_field;(how do you propose to authenticate the 'leaks' ?)
1166450;1434566077;ascii_field;'we ALWAYS knew he was obama's gay playmate!!11'
1166451;1434566200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC
1166452;1434566216;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166431 << ftr the 'dollar a day' thing is nonsense if you compute even the most conservative monetary estimate for the 'systematic' things the beggar was born with.
1166453;1434566216;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 18:24:08; mircea_popescu: earht average.
1166454;1434566237;ascii_field;e.g., kin, street smarts learned from boyhood, etc.
1166455;1434566240;ascii_field;!s gemeinschaft
1166456;1434566241;assbot;1 results for 'gemeinschaft' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gemeinschaft
1166457;1434566269;mircea_popescu;ascii_field seinfeld has an episode about this fundamentally female method of authentication ("i always wanted for him to drag me by the hair in this alley and stretch my anus"). elaine explains that "Cause if we're dating, what everyone saw was just a beautiful moment between two lovers"
1166458;1434566288;*;ascii_field totally perplexed
1166459;1434566328;mircea_popescu;and you don't "compute the dollar equivalent value" of non-dollar things, because you're not trying to recreate the bezzle.
1166460;1434566333;ascii_field;well sure
1166461;1434566334;mircea_popescu;instead, you either have tyhem or fucking die.
1166462;1434566345;ascii_field;but you ~also~ don't say 'beggar is living on $1/day'
1166463;1434566350;ascii_field;because this is not factually correct
1166464;1434566367;mircea_popescu;factually, it is correct.
1166465;1434566371;mircea_popescu;politically, it is inconvenient.
1166466;1434566372;ascii_field;he is living on $1 of rice + $xxxx of other-things-which-aren't-available-to-me-if-i-get-parachuted-into-calcutta
1166467;1434566374;mircea_popescu;but factually, it is correct.
1166468;1434566382;mircea_popescu;tough. that just means you suck
1166469;1434566387;mircea_popescu;it does not mean his dollar is not a dollar.
1166470;1434566399;ascii_field;on how many dollars a day does pufferfish live in the sea ?
1166471;1434566404;ascii_field;even less than $1
1166472;1434566410;ascii_field;we ~all~ 'suck' compared to him ?
1166473;1434566420;mircea_popescu;not a valid comparison.
1166474;1434566420;funkenstein_;just not as free
1166475;1434566429;mircea_popescu;you are proposing the indian is not human now ?
1166476;1434566443;ascii_field;not a category i deal with
1166477;1434566452;ascii_field;because not idempotent
1166478;1434566454;mircea_popescu;let me put it this way :
1166479;1434566455;ascii_field;(as shown above)
1166480;1434566470;ascii_field;he cannot funciton in my element. or i - in his. like the fish.
1166481;1434566479;funkenstein_;the calcutttan has no option to go to supermarket dumpster
1166482;1434566480;mircea_popescu;the notion that you are anything different from the calcutta beggar may be contemplatef IF and ONLY IF you never have to wonder what'd you do in calcutta.
1166483;1434566485;mircea_popescu;otherwise, a dollar a day.
1166484;1434566500;ascii_field;ever contemplate what you'll do 1km below the sea?
1166485;1434566507;mircea_popescu;never have to wonder either because you know or it can't happen, but never have to wonder.
1166486;1434566513;ascii_field;can easily happen
1166487;1434566514;ascii_field;boats sink
1166488;1434566517;mircea_popescu;i'd drown.
1166489;1434566518;ascii_field;and so do airplanes
1166490;1434566527;ascii_field;aha, drown like gentleman ! (Tm) (R) (brit empire)
1166491;1434566532;mircea_popescu;what would you do ?
1166492;1434566535;ascii_field;same!
1166493;1434566535;mircea_popescu;compute the dollar value ?
1166494;1434566539;mircea_popescu;so then
1166495;1434566540;ascii_field;bubble a bit.
1166496;1434566550;mircea_popescu;lol
1166497;1434566566;ascii_field;i imagine i'd bubble a bit in calcutta as well, before going under.
1166498;1434566580;ascii_field;(for how long is anyone's guess)
1166499;1434566720;ascii_field;but i don't imagine that i'll learn to breathe water and become kind of the ocean in a few weeks. and if mircea_popescu can do this, we should all learn from him.
1166500;1434566728;ascii_field;*king
1166501;1434566752;mircea_popescu;the ocean has nothing to do with it.
1166502;1434566993;ascii_field;obligatory old thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094169
1166503;1434566993;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2015 20:47:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu could convince an eskimo that he is an eskimo ?
1166504;1434567068;punkman;http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/06/16/2132043/bitcoin-opec-favours-8mb-blocksize-increase/
1166505;1434567070;assbot;Bitcoin Opec favours 8MB blocksize increase | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPnQVq )
1166506;1434567124;ascii_field;^^ does not display for me
1166507;1434567126;ascii_field;punkman ^
1166508;1434567128;ascii_field;dpaste plz ?
1166509;1434567165;punkman;http://dpaste.com/1R2X0V7
1166510;1434567167;assbot;dpaste: 1R2X0V7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPo5Qu )
1166511;1434567172;ascii_field;ty punkman
1166512;1434567208;punkman;"opec"...
1166513;1434567208;scoopbot_revived;Eulora Resurgent http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-resurgent/
1166514;1434567210;ascii_field;lulz. 'bitcoin opec.' where is bitcoin nato? is it invading ru yet ?
1166515;1434567218;ascii_field;and what of the bitcoin vatican ?
1166516;1434567222;ascii_field;does it bugger boys ?
1166517;1434567225;mircea_popescu;wtf is "opec"
1166518;1434567246;ascii_field;www.opec.org << the usual opec ?
1166519;1434567268;mircea_popescu;can these gawker-clones be any more fucking retarded already ?>
1166520;1434567279;mircea_popescu;by now they're reporting nonsense out of a whjolly imagined pseudoreality
1166521;1434567290;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and they were not, 2+ yrs ago ?
1166522;1434567324;ascii_field;it was ~always~ a pseudoreality, from at least william randolph hearst and up
1166523;1434567343;ascii_field;just that they previously had more luck with gluing pseudoreality-display helmets on people's heads
1166524;1434567359;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of difference between the mild idiocy of hearst and the down syndrome of "ft alphaville" etc
1166525;1434567370;mircea_popescu;about the same as between the calcutta beggar and the pufferfish
1166526;1434567396;ascii_field;more like the diff b/w/ mild eccentricity and full blown schizo
1166527;1434567408;mircea_popescu;right.
1166528;1434567446;ascii_field;'The bitcoin miners of China agree that the blocksize must be increased' << l0l wat? said who ?
1166529;1434567450;mircea_popescu;in other news a display campaign for eulora started today, if any people called Eulorian show up treat 'em mildly. and if no such show up, well... it just goes to show the value of advertising.
1166530;1434567457;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "ft alphaville"
1166531;1434567496;ascii_field;incidentally, who even has a crashless validating node with 1mb blocks
1166532;1434567499;ascii_field;(other than us)
1166533;1434567525;ascii_field;speaking of which,
1166534;1434567531;ascii_field;mod6: how are those test rigs doing ?
1166535;1434567550;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: ^ ?
1166536;1434567563;ascii_field;other sappers ?
1166537;1434567583;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "the bitcoin miners of china" say that they never saw software that doesn't crash
1166538;1434567586;ascii_field;who is ready for the next cut of the scalpel ?
1166539;1434567591;mircea_popescu;how do you know it's software if you don't reboot it ?
1166540;1434567617;ascii_field;how do you know washing machine is plugged in if you don't get shocks from touching the chassis ?
1166541;1434567653;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1166542;1434567731;punkman;the stamped "bitcoin opec" document http://i.imgur.com/JUnQcue.jpg
1166543;1434567731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SoP4Gl )
1166544;1434567739;ascii_field;sometimes i wonder if folks in cn are ~actually~ batshit (mega-mines on winblows, etc) or just convincingly faking it
1166545;1434567763;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if you had more experience chasing gaw/bfl/assorted mining scams
1166546;1434567778;mircea_popescu;you'd be in a better position to grasp the depth of this chasm of a dilemma
1166547;1434567789;mircea_popescu;generally speaking they are both.
1166548;1434567792;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1166549;1434567812;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what the shit red star stamps srsly ?!
1166550;1434567869;mircea_popescu;anyway, the validity of the stamps would be trivial to verify, if of course anyone still gave a shit about the nonsense scampress publishes.
1166551;1434567871;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: l0l!
1166552;1434567874;ascii_field;you know what those are??!?!
1166553;1434567877;ascii_field;import stamps!
1166554;1434567879;ascii_field;i have some here
1166555;1434567882;mircea_popescu;but 500 failures in... hey, wasn't ethereum all over everything ?
1166556;1434567884;ascii_field;from 'golden phenix'
1166557;1434567887;ascii_field;same red start
1166558;1434567892;ascii_field;those are customs-inspector stamps
1166559;1434567894;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?
1166560;1434567900;ascii_field;anyone with a fucking potato can lift it
1166561;1434567901;ascii_field;aha
1166562;1434567906;mircea_popescu;unlike apparently everyone on the retard side, i actually have some business experience
1166563;1434567920;ascii_field;even a schmuck like me has a fat manila full of these stamps.
1166564;1434567955;*;mircea_popescu sits here and wonders if neobee, king of cypruss, agrees for cypruss to join the increase movement.
1166565;1434567964;ascii_field;and did i just land in my grandfather's office in 1985 , fell through time warp? how did we come to wonder about authenticity of fucking soviet rubber stamps ?!
1166566;1434567968;mircea_popescu;iirc according to financial times, they took over cyprus right ?
1166567;1434567992;mircea_popescu;ascii_field we are dealing with ~= the same idiots.
1166568;1434568007;mircea_popescu;later generation, unimproved.
1166569;1434568149;funkenstein_;looks to me like they are saying they won't take anything bigger than 8MB, because their tubes are too small
1166570;1434568169;mircea_popescu;i remember a day, not so many years ago, when people actually went on trips to check out claims of "hey i goit some images in photoshop" miners. how much things have changed in these few short years...
1166571;1434568250;mircea_popescu;from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."
1166572;1434568261;mircea_popescu;fucking ridiculous. "oh, we will get a bitcoin license to keep our hobby alive!11"
1166573;1434568268;mircea_popescu;fuck you, fucking hobbists
1166574;1434568275;mircea_popescu;the world does not belong to people "doing it ironically"
1166575;1434568301;mircea_popescu;who ever heard of this, change the rules of the sport so people following at home can be more comfortable.
1166576;1434568359;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165993 << i lolled.
1166577;1434568359;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 13:58:39; asciilifeform: and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power
1166578;1434568400;ascii_field;^ said mircea_popescu as he sizzled in his very own private 3-phase electric chair
1166579;1434568409;ascii_field;luxuriously
1166580;1434568551;ascii_field;(point of that observation was, 3-phase mains and climate-controlled floor sq. metrage do not become cheaper no matter how 'surplussy' the equipment gets)
1166581;1434568648;ascii_field;'speaks volumes for the actual “democracy� in the system. (Namely, there isn’t any. China — the Saudi Arabia of bitcoin — dominates.' <<< l0l!!! this of course is same party line as in mike hearn's blatherings about 'let's separate the economy majority of bitcoin from the whims of the hashing majority'
1166582;1434568664;ascii_field;*economic
1166583;1434568702;ascii_field;'we usg gnomes are to have control, because fuck you and ~democracy~ and also fuck you'
1166584;1434569053;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166571 << many usg subjects see the crown in much the same light as little children see their demented violent alcoholic father
1166585;1434569053;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 19:10:50; mircea_popescu: from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."
1166586;1434569064;ascii_field;'please don't upset him, you know what happens'
1166587;1434569245;ascii_field;other thing is
1166588;1434569256;ascii_field;what, precisely, would be the mechanism for encrypting airplane callsigns ?
1166589;1434569272;ascii_field;sent to public key with private modulus kept in every airport?
1166590;1434569319;ascii_field;what about non-nato airports ?
1166591;1434569345;ascii_field;why shouldn't ru air defense battery open up with all barrels on a 'mystery meat' airplane which won't identify owner ?
1166592;1434569351;ascii_field;like that korean tub
1166593;1434569357;danielpbarron;menahem, your paypal doesn't work and your bitcoin wants me to send to an invalid address
1166594;1434569371;menahem;danielpbarron i just saw
1166595;1434569384;menahem;not sure why I got the error, lemme double check quick.  my apologies.
1166596;1434569401;danielpbarron;it redirected me to sandbox.paypal.com which tells me that my password is incorrect
1166597;1434569432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00044528 = 6.7015 BTC [+] {2} 
1166598;1434569433;menahem;ok ty.  i'll be back shortly.
1166599;1434569445;danielpbarron;and by "invalid address" i mean that i'm not about to do business with someone who insists I acknowledge "multi sig" is a thing
1166600;1434569486;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-lulz >> http://cryptome.org/2015/06/masses-goats-dogs.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/1Z43RQN.txt
1166601;1434569489;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPtUNU )
1166602;1434569490;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPtSFM )
1166603;1434569490;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1166604;1434569490;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it reads to me like a very plain "let's try and hijack b-a by pretending a bigger ba exists somewhere exotic and we are the only ones able to translate its red star stamps"
1166605;1434569493;mircea_popescu;which is... endearing.
1166606;1434569526;ascii_field;usg sop.
1166607;1434569546;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'll allow the shitmedia to set the discussion agenda the morning after i let gavin impregnate my wife.
1166608;1434569575;ascii_field;l0l
1166609;1434569624;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1166610;1434569668;mircea_popescu;no but srsly, who wouldn't want retarded children looking like him.
1166611;1434569671;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: BIP-100 looks like it will create Garzik coin.
1166612;1434569811;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166007 << the junior high alf went to... :D
1166613;1434569811;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:47; asciilifeform: (does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?)
1166614;1434569860;*;funkenstein_ has heard tell of a time when people wrote RFCs
1166615;1434569888;ascii_field;http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/menfre.html
1166616;1434569889;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPuKdu )
1166617;1434569919;mircea_popescu;!up WvuSoldier
1166618;1434569942;WvuSoldier;ty
1166619;1434569968;thestringpuller;I like how they publicized BIP-100 with "This won't require a hardfork" while the PDF clearly states "Oh yea guise we need to remove the cap completely to make this change."
1166620;1434570018;*;ascii_field now wonders what mircea_popescu gets from cn by the tanker-load
1166621;1434570031;ascii_field;( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166559 )
1166622;1434570031;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 19:04:54; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?
1166623;1434570041;mircea_popescu;ascii_field vacuums not my forte, but is the following ever done : have a solid cylinder separated into two closed rooms by piston. fill one room with chemical compounds in liquid pahse which react, so the resultant volume is lower.
1166624;1434570053;mircea_popescu;theoretically should vacuum the other room to soem degree
1166625;1434570081;ascii_field;react endothermically, and forming a solid ?
1166626;1434570110;mircea_popescu;for instance
1166627;1434570113;ascii_field;this is done in the craft of making vacuum tubes. (recall the shiny metal in the top of the tube?)
1166628;1434570117;mircea_popescu;aha
1166629;1434570118;ascii_field;called 'getter'
1166630;1434570122;ascii_field;typically - cesium.
1166631;1434570153;ascii_field;important not only for residual gas in the tube after pumping, but also because the electrodes sputter
1166632;1434570184;ascii_field;(vapour pressure in the tube ~will~ go up with time unless the gas has somewhere to get stuck in)
1166633;1434570250;mircea_popescu;no such thing as infinitely bound material yet discovered
1166634;1434570263;mircea_popescu;should go in there same pile as ideal conductor
1166635;1434570343;ascii_field;aha
1166636;1434570349;ascii_field;even glass has vapour pressure at stp !
1166637;1434570360;ascii_field;see the epic saga of 'polywater'
1166638;1434570363;jurov;iirc graphene is impervious even to helium
1166639;1434570373;mircea_popescu;it will still scater atoms
1166640;1434570386;mircea_popescu;this is a quantum necessity.
1166641;1434570433;mircea_popescu;(for fun and games the trainee qm folk in attendance are invited to set up either the matrix or the waveform so that probability of solid losing atoms into gas at border is zero, see what happens)
1166642;1434570444;ascii_field;l0l!
1166643;1434570574;ascii_field;http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/polywater_history_and_science_mistakes_the_u_s_and_ussr_raced_to_create.html << a not-especially-great english review of the 'polywater' story.
1166644;1434570575;assbot;Polywater history and science mistakes: The U.S. and USSR raced to create a new form of water. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPwcfK )
1166645;1434570595;mircea_popescu;is this the very thick water ?
1166646;1434570621;ascii_field;aha
1166647;1434570631;ascii_field;the one in which the glass vessels themselves dissolved a little.
1166648;1434570638;mircea_popescu;i recall family friend being very insulted by my dad laughing his ass off
1166649;1434570646;ascii_field;(along with other room crud)
1166650;1434570828;ascii_field;in other news, i dreamed last night that ft meade had been turned into a kind of city-state, and i came through it for some peculiar reason. it very crowded and full of rough-looking folks, like d.c. subway. went into a pub, full of demented old beggars, and pulled out a wad of 'nsa money' - shit-brown 'hundies' with portraits of some senator on them. in return got glass of water.
1166651;1434570828;scoopbot_revived;Examinations vs. the Yeshiva http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/17/examinations-vs-the-yeshiva/
1166652;1434570862;ascii_field;there was some utterly deranged bloke yelling 'buy me a bed!!!'
1166653;1434570930;mircea_popescu;sounds like you would enjoy playing fallout
1166654;1434570935;ascii_field;i did.
1166655;1434571103;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski the hunag fellow is exactly the right example. i even hinted at him but never mentionmed the name when discussiong o'brian idiocy in 1984 and how the rebellion properly works.
1166656;1434571104;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1166657;1434571115;mircea_popescu;always a pleasure to see people able to refer to the right source material.
1166658;1434571132;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166044 <<< check the aussie national skill shortage and come down under.. i've never been to choina but i'm guessing down under is a bit better
1166659;1434571132;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:39:34; mats: will probably end up moving back to mainland
1166660;1434571344;ascii_field;'(875 – 884 AD) when Huang Ch’ao, a powerful young heir to a family fortune, was unable to pass the rigorous exams needed to become a licentiate. He responded by selling salt on the black market and using the funds to organise a secret society with which he incited rebellions that massacred nobles and officials and nearly, thought not quite, brought down the ruling entire dynasty.' << this has been my secret crackp
1166661;1434571344;ascii_field;ipe dream since uni, yes.
1166662;1434571357;ascii_field;i specifically wish to drive the bulldozer personally
1166663;1434571373;mats;lol
1166664;1434571421;mircea_popescu;lol
1166665;1434571454;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1166666;1434571468;mircea_popescu;ascii_field is emerging like quite the tragic, byronian hero. on one hand, wishes to drive the dozer, on the other hand, wishes to have a place for noli tangere.
1166667;1434571473;mircea_popescu;should be a libretto.
1166668;1434571509;ascii_field;hey, marvin heemeyer did both!
1166669;1434571527;mircea_popescu;why stop there.
1166670;1434571529;mircea_popescu;do three things.
1166671;1434571531;ascii_field;http://marvin-heemeyer.com
1166672;1434571532;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPy7RA )
1166673;1434571534;mircea_popescu;while juggling pregnant seals.
1166674;1434571589;ascii_field;elephants.
1166675;1434571610;mircea_popescu;seals pregnant with elephants ?
1166676;1434571730;ascii_field;with walruses.
1166677;1434571833;mircea_popescu;cazalla BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3a6m7i/a_prepostmortem_on_bitpay/ << check it out, you're now thought leaders of teh community
1166678;1434571834;assbot;A pre-post-mortem on BitPay : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPyUlC )
1166679;1434572399;ascii_field;speaking of vacuum 'diffusion pumps' - apparently there are firms selling them, from old uni chem kits, as 'bongs' to smoke weed from
1166680;1434572425;ascii_field;e.g., http://mellowmood.com/bates-x-worm
1166681;1434572427;assbot;Bates x Worm - Mellow Mood ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgbK2U )
1166682;1434572427;thestringpuller;great find mircea_popescu
1166683;1434572460;thestringpuller;"It’s like an economy where the investment is coming from some external country where Silicon Valley becomes like the Bitcoin equivalent of People’s Bank of China." << because Nefario ruined it for everyone
1166684;1434572478;menahem;danielpbarron PayPal is up - had it in test mode.  My bad.
1166685;1434572523;ascii_field;it was the diffusion pump (esp. langmuir's improved one) which allowed the whole vacuum tube thing to happen in the first place.
1166686;1434572601;mircea_popescu;!up blazes816
1166687;1434572617;shinohai;All these pools http://redd.it/3a5qj5
1166688;1434572619;assbot;Draft signed by F2Pool, Antpool, BW, BTCChina, Huobi committing them to a 8MB increase. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ggc6qu )
1166689;1434572636;mircea_popescu;see teh logs.
1166690;1434572679;shinohai;will do. I have tons of reading to catch up on this evening.
1166691;1434572726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00044529 = 26.4057 BTC [+]
1166692;1434572737;cazalla;shinohai, lol that image reminds me of another which someone on bitcointalk claimed to be a police report regarding asicminer thefts.. turned out to be a birth certificate or something
1166693;1434572756;shinohai;LOLZ
1166694;1434572970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00043172 = 10.1022 BTC [-] {2} 
1166695;1434573152;TheNewDeal;how bad of any idea is it to short btc/ltc over a short term period
1166696;1434573180;ben_vulpes;hey, the tradetalk's back!
1166697;1434573183;TheNewDeal;-y
1166698;1434573208;ascii_field;TheNewDeal: ltc still exists ?!
1166699;1434573214;TheNewDeal;oddly enough, aye
1166700;1434573241;mircea_popescu;TheNewDeal not worse or better than ever
1166701;1434573287;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1166702;1434573623;ben_vulpes;aha is midnightmagic derping on about things beyond his ken today?
1166703;1434573632;ben_vulpes;or yessterday or something?
1166704;1434573672;ascii_field;worst of all, he gave me an intractable urge to blow glass
1166705;1434573824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00044529 = 5.2544 BTC [+]
1166706;1434573854;kakobrekla;maybe procedures in experimental physics did it
1166707;1434573869;ascii_field;sure did
1166708;1434574388;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset. << not so valuable if illiquid
1166709;1434574430;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1166710;1434574436;mircea_popescu;read the logs :D
1166711;1434574443;shinohai;13-06-2015 00:30:49  <asciilifeform>   http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled' (agrees)
1166712;1434574443;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html
1166713;1434574532;ben_vulpes;can't read whole log without responding
1166714;1434574546;mircea_popescu;just pulling your leg over here
1166715;1434574570;ben_vulpes;s/without/before
1166716;1434574580;ben_vulpes;what is it? great artists steal?
1166717;1434574658;ascii_field;achtung, panzers:
1166718;1434574660;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000098.html
1166719;1434574661;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYM5RY )
1166720;1434574750;shinohai;ty asciilifeform
1166721;1434574754;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166048 << well i don't know so many people in china, so... good news :D
1166722;1434574754;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:40:42; mats: mainland china
1166723;1434574787;mircea_popescu;ascii_field aha
1166724;1434574869;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i would like to nominate above patch (and its dependency, dns-seed-remover) for mainline
1166725;1434574905;shinohai;I haven't applied those patches yet :/
1166726;1434574916;ben_vulpes;noted
1166727;1434574917;ascii_field;shinohai: the linked patch is 5 minutes old
1166728;1434574917;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166066 << this is a strict function of sexual promiscuity in my experience. being chaste is pretty suicidal at all times other than during the age of boredom
1166729;1434574917;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:47:41; jurov: also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus
1166730;1434574929;ben_vulpes;i'm still working to get the damn thing to build on ubuntu
1166731;1434574944;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes 10.04
1166732;1434574945;mircea_popescu;?
1166733;1434574958;shinohai;@ ben_vulpes it built fine for me on 14.4
1166734;1434574979;ben_vulpes;most recently, boost failed to install because its html document rendering facility was b0rked in ubuntu somewhere and the whole thing fell over
1166735;1434574981;shinohai;*14.04 lts
1166736;1434574989;mircea_popescu;hahahah
1166737;1434575008;mircea_popescu;"my car crashed because there was a flyer in a window painted in green letters"
1166738;1434575009;shinohai;But I must ask, why Ubuntu?
1166739;1434575024;mircea_popescu;because it means anal friendship in african.
1166740;1434575027;ascii_field;^ i had similar barf from openssl
1166741;1434575133;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1166742;1434575192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166096 >> nah, that's a different dimension. chocolate spontaneously combusts
1166743;1434575192;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:57:39; asciilifeform: can i get real (read: ru or identical) chocolate there? at what cost/gram ?
1166744;1434575198;mircea_popescu;this is how the locals know if it's any good
1166745;1434575203;ascii_field;l0l
1166746;1434575237;ascii_field;and yes, i know that mircea_popescu can get ru chocolate delivered via biplane right to his dirigible in antarctica.
1166747;1434575250;ascii_field;doesn't apply to my case.
1166748;1434575266;mircea_popescu;yea, you never ordered anything online
1166749;1434575276;mircea_popescu;all those dongs were bought at indian candy's chocolateria
1166750;1434575343;ascii_field;said the fella living in can't-order-anything-online-land
1166751;1434575359;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1166752;1434575367;mircea_popescu;tbh i never ordered anything online in romania, either.
1166753;1434575376;mircea_popescu;i don't even order takeout
1166754;1434575393;ascii_field;i barely ever get anything in any other way
1166755;1434575406;ascii_field;(because wtf, leaving house, and paying tax?!?!)
1166756;1434575437;shinohai;If Amazon delivered groceries in my area, I might never leave home.
1166757;1434575557;cazalla;shinohai, the two main supermarket chains in australia do this.. and it's how they get rid of the rest of their shitty produce
1166758;1434575573;ascii_field;i'd get toilet paper, etc. on 'amazon' if it weren't for the fact that everything you buy affects your 'recommendations'
1166759;1434575584;ascii_field;and i don't want to see ads for shitpaper in my mailbox
1166760;1434575593;shinohai;I like farmers markets though. Fresh organic veggies if possible.
1166761;1434575602;ascii_field;produce over mail is a nonstarter
1166762;1434575613;ascii_field;(for morons - sure)
1166763;1434575716;mircea_popescu;ascii_field myeah, uber does seem like the usgs last gasp effort to "socialism" the cabbuie business
1166764;1434575729;mircea_popescu;which i would loathe, as i routinely reject living anywhere with shitty cabs
1166765;1434575738;ascii_field;the cabs in usa sucked before.
1166766;1434575745;mircea_popescu;boston was ok
1166767;1434575748;mircea_popescu;ny was even above par.
1166768;1434575755;mircea_popescu;the west coast never interested me much
1166769;1434575757;jurov;have amazon buttons?
1166770;1434575759;mircea_popescu;texas was great.
1166771;1434575864;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: know that 'uber' etc. is an attempt to 'proletarianize' cabs. as they normally are so costly here that they are beyond the regular use of all but the richest
1166772;1434575887;ascii_field;(e.g., an hour's ride might cost a whole benjie)
1166773;1434575900;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood. what was it, two-three bucks a mile ?
1166774;1434575933;kakobrekla;going 600 miles per hour obviously
1166775;1434575934;mircea_popescu;germany is ridoinculous with their 5 euro a km bs, but then again germany is usually walkable.
1166776;1434575977;mircea_popescu;how much would they have to pay ME to spend an hour in a cab with any regularity ?
1166777;1434576005;ascii_field;airport much ?
1166778;1434576014;mircea_popescu;yeah, five times a year.
1166779;1434576020;ascii_field;so there you go
1166780;1434576062;jurov;i don't remember using taxi from/to airport
1166781;1434576122;ascii_field;the cabs in b-a blew my mind
1166782;1434576141;ascii_field;(because cheap)
1166783;1434576152;mircea_popescu;the half hour typical ride is what, five bux
1166784;1434576164;ascii_field;in wash., d.c. ?! nope
1166785;1434576172;ascii_field;opening the fucking door costs >5bux
1166786;1434576206;ascii_field;http://dctaxi.dc.gov/page/taxicab-fares << 3.25 according to official table
1166787;1434576286;kakobrekla;lol at that price list
1166788;1434576380;ascii_field;it would cost me ~$80 to get home in a cab right now.
1166789;1434576391;ascii_field;(assuming ~empty~ roads)
1166790;1434576406;thestringpuller;ascii_field: i thought you didn't drive
1166791;1434576416;ascii_field;thestringpuller: i drive 2-4 hrs/day.
1166792;1434576426;thestringpuller;how have you not killed someone?
1166793;1434576435;thestringpuller;(Via rage)
1166794;1434576441;ascii_field;almost half as long as a cabbie drives
1166795;1434576459;thestringpuller;is there traffic?
1166796;1434576473;kakobrekla;how many miles ?
1166797;1434576546;mats;http://www.opm.gov/our-inspector-general/reports/2014/federal-information-security-management-act-audit-fy-2014-4a-ci-00-14-016.pdf
1166798;1434576548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3RR4X )
1166799;1434576564;ascii_field;thestringpuller: so much traffic 'can eat with arse'
1166800;1434576600;thestringpuller;sounds like DC or LA...
1166801;1434576600;mod6;<+ascii_field> mod6: how are those test rigs doing ? < << If you mean the bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patch(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke + TX Orphanage Amputation }, they were performed on AWS deb6 instance and have since been shutdown after full sync & performance tests completed. Main reason being to dig into compiling v0.5.3.1 + gentoo sanity patches with uclibc on Gentoo on AWS Gentoo instance.  I try to only run one instance at a time to keep mo
1166802;1434576600;ascii_field;kakobrekla: ~70/day assuming i go nowhere else (buying food, detours around jams, etc)
1166803;1434576617;kakobrekla;2-4 hrs for 70 miles
1166804;1434576621;kakobrekla;sad.
1166805;1434576656;shinohai;mod6 my nide is still humming fine
1166806;1434576661;mod6;I could start it back up again and do something else if you like. But have finally gotten a guide created for Gentoo on Physical hardware.  It needs 2 general tweaks (to be put in tonight) before I hand over to hanbot for testing.
1166807;1434576662;shinohai;*nide
1166808;1434576696;shinohai;I hate touchscreen keyboards. I really do.
1166809;1434576703;thestringpuller;ascii_field: damn. 20 mph average speed?!? i would have to pop anxiety pills.
1166810;1434576703;ascii_field;kakobrekla: the sad is in having to leave home at all. everything else is just little cherries on top of the sadcake
1166811;1434576723;mats;We were told in an interview that OPM's Network Management Group (NMG) performs monthly vulnerability scans using automated scanning tools. The OIG is unable to independently verify that OPM has a mature vulnerability scanning program.   However, we have been unable to obtain tangible evidence that vulnerability scans have been routinely conducted for all
1166812;1434576723;mats;OPM servers in FY 2014… NMG has documented accepted weaknesses for OPM user workstations; however, it has not fully documented weaknesses for servers or databases (i.e., vulnerability scan findings that are justified by a business need). This recommendation remains open from FY 2011 and is rolled forward in FY 2014.
1166813;1434576729;mod6;So once the Guides are handed over to hanbot, I'll refocus my attention to patching gcc 4.8.4 on Gentoo to see if we can get around that bug that we were discussing the other day.
1166814;1434576765;ascii_field;mod6: which bug ?
1166815;1434576817;mod6;lemme find the logs..
1166816;1434576897;mod6;well, nevermind that.  this one:
1166817;1434576898;mod6;/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
1166818;1434577005;mod6;!up ascii_field
1166819;1434577150;mod6;<+shinohai> mod6 my nide is still humming fine << cool. is that the ubuntu one?
1166820;1434577191;shinohai;Nah the Debian one, I built Ubuntu on a friends server
1166821;1434577292;mod6;ahh. ok.
1166822;1434577374;shinohai;The Deb one stays up all the time, I just leave it running since I need a daemon anyway.
1166823;1434577799;mod6;good deal :]
1166824;1434578061;mats;http://www.wsj.com/articles/colt-defense-to-file-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-by-monday-1434310925
1166825;1434578062;assbot;      Colt Defense Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3X24H )
1166826;1434578145;mats;http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic
1166827;1434578146;assbot;Russia Opens 'Patriot' Theme Park to Showcase MIlitary Prowess ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3XkbR )
1166828;1434578289;ascii_field;achtung, panzers!
1166829;1434578290;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html
1166830;1434578291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3XRe2 )
1166831;1434578297;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^
1166832;1434578338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00043298 = 19.8305 BTC [-]
1166833;1434578392;ascii_field;picture little gavins squealing on a chopping block.
1166834;1434578402;ascii_field;does it not warm your cold iron heart !?
1166835;1434578449;ascii_field;i'm half-certain that last one actually removes a vuln
1166836;1434578540;*;mod6 looks
1166837;1434578625;mod6;ah cool :]
1166838;1434578660;ascii_field;this is part of a sequence of patches which depend on one another
1166839;1434578677;ascii_field;(dns seed remover, hard seed remover, and now showmyip,com-remover)
1166840;1434578691;ascii_field;next one will nuke all dns lookups entirely
1166841;1434578699;mod6;yup, i see that.  thanks for linking them in the patch emails.
1166842;1434578710;mod6;great work ascii.
1166843;1434578712;ascii_field;these are given in separate patches for ease of review
1166844;1434578722;mod6;*nod*
1166845;1434578725;mod6;makes sense. thanks.
1166846;1434578727;ascii_field;i consider this to be a necessary thing
1166847;1434578736;mod6;yeah, that stuff is 100% cruft.
1166848;1434578753;ascii_field;i.e. everything inside a patch file must pertain only to what was 'printed on the box', and vice-versa.
1166849;1434578838;mod6;!up ascii_field
1166850;1434578844;ascii_field;ty mod6
1166851;1434578877;mats;http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-06/18/c_134335445.htm
1166852;1434578877;assbot;China, Russia to increase bilateral investment, financial cooperation - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3ZyrI )
1166853;1434578928;mod6;np. so, i'm gonna keep focus on this Gentoo GCC patching stuff for the time being.  But meanwhile I do that on my POS box (Now running Gentoo AMD64 hardened w/uclibc), I can shutdown the Gentoo aws instance and fire-up a deb6 test with these new patches before the end of the month I'm sure.
1166854;1434578944;ascii_field;mod6: might wanna wait for the final nail in the dns coffin
1166855;1434578966;mod6;That's fine.  Take your time.  It won't take long to get that going anyway.
1166856;1434579012;shinohai; 17:59 +ascii_fieldpicture little gavins squealing on a chopping block.   <<< This
1166857;1434579022;mod6;:]
1166858;1434579099;mats;'Obama admitted that nine months into the U.S.-led coalition's campaign against the IS, there is not a complete strategy to combat the group. "We don't yet have a complete strategy," Obama said at the end of a G-7 summit in Germany'
1166859;1434579924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20205 @ 0.00042666 = 8.6207 BTC [-] {3} 
1166860;1434580684;mod6;!up ascii_field
1166861;1434580754;ascii_field;to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line
1166862;1434580789;ascii_field;this will be a substantial change in default behaviour, because the thing ~will~ have to be given irc server params on command line, and/or seed ips, or ~will not run~
1166863;1434580834;ascii_field;i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd
1166864;1434580866;ascii_field;but if anyone can make a good case for its removal (remember that presently it is also the source of node knowing own external ipv4 !!!) please say.
1166865;1434581982;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166824 << apparently dead instantly on account of losing favour with usg.
1166866;1434581982;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 21:54:21; mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/colt-defense-to-file-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-by-monday-1434310925
1166867;1434582040;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166826 << famous tank museum
1166868;1434582040;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 21:55:45; mats: http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic
1166869;1434582190;mats;mighta had a chance if privately owned by black disabled lesbian
1166870;1434582217;mats;o, can't forget veteran
1166871;1434582224;ascii_field;'Following a drawn-out and contentious bidding war, Colt lost its contract to provide the Pentagon with M4 rifles in 2013. The $77 million contract went instead to a Belgian company, F.N. Herstal.'
1166872;1434582227;ascii_field;^ l0l!!
1166873;1434582233;ascii_field;and when belgium is overrun again?
1166874;1434582243;ascii_field;i imagine they will have to ask for new bids.
1166875;1434582315;mod6;<+ascii_field> to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line << not that this has to be the case now, but perhaps this could be done in the config file too.
1166876;1434582324;mats;not the first time Colt has lost a contract to F.N. Herstal
1166877;1434582341;ascii_field;mod6: config file or commandline
1166878;1434582347;ascii_field;but ~somewhere~
1166879;1434582354;mod6;<+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow.
1166880;1434582355;ascii_field;after this, there will be no default seed
1166881;1434582376;mod6;<+ascii_field> but ~somewhere~ << yup, gotcha. just putting in my 0.00000002
1166882;1434582433;mats;also not the first time they've filed for bankruptcy
1166883;1434582567;kakobrekla;would a dedi ba seed be welcome?
1166884;1434582619;mod6;<+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/configfile arg to specify external ip for 
1166885;1434582644;mod6;<+kakobrekla> would a dedi ba seed be welcome << yeah, i think that's the idea eventually.
1166886;1434582849;mod6;oop
1166887;1434582851;mod6;!up ascii_field
1166888;1434583050;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166883 << we'll need more than one
1166889;1434583050;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 23:09:27; kakobrekla: would a dedi ba seed be welcome?
1166890;1434583063;ascii_field;and it makes no sense to even try before the leak-stoppage patches are ratified
1166891;1434583078;ascii_field;(i don't want ~anything~ to do with a leaking node)
1166892;1434583315;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166884 << you can ~already~ specify seeds on cmdline and config! all that remains is the removal of the built-in seeder crap
1166893;1434583315;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 23:10:19; mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/confi
1166894;1434583331;ascii_field;of these, we now have only irc remaining
1166895;1434583343;ascii_field;(assuming all three patches discussed today were to be ratified)
1166896;1434583392;ascii_field;and i say 'hey hey, ho ho,' dns 'has got to go!'
1166897;1434583404;shinohai;I'm down for the irc mechanism, i really like it but not as it is now
1166898;1434583423;ascii_field;shinohai: elaborate ?
1166899;1434583449;mats;lol
1166900;1434583457;shinohai;Earlier you mentioned the ability to specify peers, etc and use raw irc commands correct?
1166901;1434583465;shinohai;If I understood correctly
1166902;1434583475;ascii_field;shinohai: just the ability to specify what it connects to
1166903;1434583482;ascii_field;and, perhaps, what channel
1166904;1434583501;shinohai;hmmm mkay
1166905;1434583505;ascii_field;btw it is also valuable because presently irc is a very handy means of finding pre-gavinization seeds
1166906;1434583522;ascii_field;i expect this will change, suddenly and possibly undetectably, once they start fucking with it
1166907;1434583538;ascii_field;(i.e. connecting gavinized nodes masquerading under old version strings)
1166908;1434583549;shinohai;I failed to see that before BingoBoingo pointed out the obvious benefits of finding pre-gavinized nodes with it.
1166909;1434583573;ascii_field;thing is, anyone can set version string to whateverthefuck they like
1166910;1434583636;shinohai;ascii_field: are you limited as to what data you can put in the version string?
1166911;1434583722;mod6;<+ascii_field> << you can ~already~ specify seeds on cmdline and config! all that remains is the removal of the built-in seeder crap << sure, you can do addnode or whatnot to connect to other nodes. but isn't the dyndns thing to tell others what your nodes ip address is? maybe i misunderstand ...
1166912;1434583728;ascii_field;shinohai: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#version
1166913;1434583729;assbot;Protocol documentation - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1dL9WZd )
1166914;1434583730;shinohai;I mean, their must be some way to identify trusted clients
1166915;1434583743;ascii_field;mod6: it was a fallback if irc fails
1166916;1434583755;ascii_field;shinohai: trusted == folks you know personally
1166917;1434583765;ascii_field;and even this, only after we get it carried over gossipd
1166918;1434583772;ascii_field;at present, there is no way to authenticate a node
1166919;1434583796;mod6;<+ascii_field> mod6: it was a fallback if irc fails << oh or if -noirc is used or something?
1166920;1434583805;ascii_field;or if irc fails to connect
1166921;1434583811;mod6;i see, ok.
1166922;1434583826;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-05-2015#1122714
1166923;1434583826;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 17:21:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122612 << it's actually a fine entry point to explain to anyone why exactly tcp/ip is so broken. because this IS NOT a trivial task. the price for ipv4 and it's undocumented, buggy, slow and haphazardously ad-hoc nat-routing model is that you can't find out by inspecting yourself. the half-assed, quarter-baked lazy slothful and aol-windowesque implement
1166924;1434584079;cazalla;copypaste, front page of the #1 aussie tabloid http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/intimate-photos-of-around-400-adelaide-women-have-been-posted-on-a-us-site-in-revenge-porn/story-fnjwmwrh-1227403257763
1166925;1434584080;assbot;Revenge porn: Nude photos of 400 Adelaide women posted online ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjUgY0 )
1166926;1434584695;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1166927;1434585309;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: a researcher is me !
1166928;1434585324;pete_dushenski;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218550.0 << i lolled
1166929;1434585326;assbot;[WTS] Stuff for non-profits ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjW57a )
1166930;1434585342;pete_dushenski;i recognise 'thebutterzone' from -otc
1166931;1434585361;pete_dushenski;pretty sure he had half the listings last i checked
1166932;1434585384;pete_dushenski;btw, wd on the logs today, gents. solid reading material.
1166933;1434585485;pete_dushenski;"First two (DVD, CD) are used and play fine, 2nd two are sealed new (all DVDs). for each before shipping, and a $60 donation for each will be made to this pro-civil rights coalition that Zooey Deschanel, Nancy Sinatra, Michael Moore, and Joel McHale all oppose." << y'know, this could only work on tardstalk
1166934;1434585670;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166073 << unless you find a bear named "Mr. Employment"
1166935;1434585670;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:49:18; jurov: i don need no fucking employment
1166936;1434585728;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166060 << lmao. sarcastic aaaand true.
1166937;1434585728;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 14:46:46; mats: yes the executions are a big plus
1166938;1434585820;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166763 --> http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/23/want-to-drive-for-uber-first-you-need-to-make-some-mistakes/
1166939;1434585820;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 21:15:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field myeah, uber does seem like the usgs last gasp effort to "socialism" the cabbuie business
1166940;1434585821;assbot;Want to drive for Uber ? First, you need to make some mistakes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjWZkb )
1166941;1434585851;pete_dushenski;uber is easily half the price of a cab here.
1166942;1434585868;pete_dushenski;also, edmonton has uber and calgary, a larger city 300km south, doesn't
1166943;1434585874;pete_dushenski;"illegal" there.
1166944;1434585900;pete_dushenski;normal cabs are flat out unaffordable for regular use.
1166945;1434585906;pete_dushenski;uber... isn't
1166946;1434585938;pete_dushenski;though i'm flabbergasted that asciilifeform drives 2-4 hrs PER DAY !
1166947;1434585956;pete_dushenski;in case anyone thought this guy wasn't shiva reincarnate, think again.
1166948;1434585985;ascii_field;it's roughly half the price of a cab pretty much everywhere, by design.
1166949;1434586017;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: i didn't used to. worked mostly from home for a long time
1166950;1434586025;cazalla;i'm sure i've mentioned it before but cabbies go around performing citizen's arrest on uber drivers down under
1166951;1434586029;pete_dushenski;he's in #b-a an easy 6 hours per day. solid. plus cardano. plus phuctor. plus '98% busy'
1166952;1434586054;ascii_field;eh #b-a is on own lcd
1166953;1434586065;ascii_field;'background thread' in head.
1166954;1434586068;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: eh, same here :)
1166955;1434586085;pete_dushenski;but i guess now we know where cardano delivery went : commuting
1166956;1434586093;pete_dushenski;on the highway, 2-4 hours per day
1166957;1434586101;ascii_field;sometimes i log in from the car.
1166958;1434586118;pete_dushenski;pet drives ?
1166959;1434586123;ascii_field;nope
1166960;1434586126;ascii_field;never learned how.
1166961;1434586140;pete_dushenski;then YOU ARE SHIVA
1166962;1434586160;kakobrekla;only if shiva was alien
1166963;1434586164;ascii_field;i offered many times to teach her to drive, but she was sharp enough to grasp that this meant 'more chores' and didn't bite
1166964;1434586237;kakobrekla;alf will not be put in front of execution wall but dissected for studies
1166965;1434586239;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1166966;1434586240;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZR2D5R.txt )
1166967;1434586251;kakobrekla;i think if just fuckued your bash
1166968;1434586268;BingoBoingo;No, you just extended it
1166969;1434586289;BingoBoingo;was only going to bash 2
1166970;1434586444;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166826 << would visit. been meaning to check out st. petersburg anyways. near enough.
1166971;1434586444;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 21:55:45; mats: http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic
1166972;1434586473;pete_dushenski;back in a sec.
1166973;1434586528;mod6;!up assbot
1166974;1434586530;mod6;bah
1166975;1434586533;mod6;!up ascii_field
1166976;1434586578;mod6;<+ascii_field> sometimes i log in from the car. << i can just imagine you driving around the beltway with your knee irc'ing from a phone.
1166977;1434586595;ascii_field;usually at dead stop
1166978;1434586610;mod6;hah s/driving/parking/
1166979;1434586627;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-travel-2014.pdf << lulzies! includes an expense item, someone took a trip to an event titled 'all girls, all math'
1166980;1434586629;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjY8Z7 )
1166981;1434586708;hanbot;the only female in that office.
1166982;1434586717;mats;http://www.math.unl.edu/programs/agam
1166983;1434586719;assbot;All Girls/All Math | Department of Mathematics | University of Nebraska–Lincoln ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjYgaY )
1166984;1434586729;mats;summer maths camp.
1166985;1434586740;ascii_field;sponsors: '... nsa'
1166986;1434586823;BingoBoingo;Nebraska, like Ohio a place that when USia is scrapped can be sold to the dirt
1166987;1434586879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122750 @ 0.00043129 = 52.9408 BTC [+] {2} 
1166988;1434587248;mircea_popescu;so there was a blood gorged mosquito on the wall. as i didn't want to leave a splotch, i hit it in such a manner as to only dizzy it. i can now disable-shot mosquitors.
1166989;1434587260;mircea_popescu;does this qualify me for a black belt or something ?
1166990;1434587277;ascii_field;this is sop where i live
1166991;1434587286;ascii_field;perhaps the new ones have harder carapace
1166992;1434587389;mircea_popescu;first one i've seen in a month or two
1166993;1434587437;ascii_field;i encountered a good number of mosquitoes in b-a but none bit me. couldn't help but think of the old sf stories re: creatures on alien planet unable to eat (or be eaten by) us on account of wrong protein chirality
1166994;1434587549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 259400 @ 0.00042478 = 110.1879 BTC [-] {5} 
1166995;1434587555;BingoBoingo;I tend to just... clean up the blood. They are disease carrying organisms and deserve nothing but lethal intent.
1166996;1434587603;mircea_popescu;you know colt made some pretty kickass pistols.
1166997;1434587613;ascii_field;once upon a time.
1166998;1434587619;ascii_field;but now they're something like 'atari'
1166999;1434587620;mircea_popescu;i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business.
1167000;1434587623;ascii_field;a name without a body
1167001;1434587651;ascii_field;afaik colt did not actually manufacture anything, in own factories, other than usg orders, for some years (decades?)
1167002;1434587656;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> i consider this to be a necessary thing << it is.
1167003;1434587657;ascii_field;but used subcontractors in turdworld
1167004;1434587677;ascii_field;so colt ~= atari.
1167005;1434587693;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> this will be a substantial change in default behaviour, because the thing ~will~ have to be given irc server params on command line, and/or seed ips, or ~will not run~ << this is the wrong approach. config file, with sane defaults.
1167006;1434587704;mircea_popescu;never, ever, EVERY may any input be required from the user imperatively.
1167007;1434587717;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: sane defaults produced how?
1167008;1434587722;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.
1167009;1434587722;mircea_popescu;user has the option to provide input, program that depends on input to run was shipped broken
1167010;1434587723;ascii_field;presently thing ships with no config
1167011;1434587729;ascii_field;and no mechanism to copy it to user's homedir
1167012;1434587745;ascii_field;if we had node(s) running, could supply this default.
1167013;1434587750;ascii_field;presently - we do not.
1167014;1434587788;mircea_popescu;<mats> mighta had a chance if privately owned by black disabled lesbian << no. belgian firm has to import weapons, so they can be kept off mnarket. colt does not hyave to import anythinfg, can just turn around and sell. the usg will award no further contracts for anything to anyone who can also sell to us civillians, jus watch.
1167015;1434587792;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ... program that depends on input to run was shipped broken << L0L!! 'cat' ships broken ?
1167016;1434587810;mircea_popescu;very similar situation to the entire "we don't spy on citizens, the brits did, as part of an agreement we made with them, so whatcha gonna do"
1167017;1434587832;ascii_field;^ dates back to '90s 'echelon' and not at all secret
1167018;1434587845;ascii_field;(the 'five eyes eyeing one another' thing)
1167019;1434587868;mircea_popescu;ascii_field if it doesn't have a -Y mode (assume y on all questions) yes.
1167020;1434587952;ascii_field;everything depends on input
1167021;1434587985;mats;i don't know much about how procurement and acquisitions works
1167022;1434587987;mircea_popescu;mno.
1167023;1434587990;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg
1167024;1434587990;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjZCSY )
1167025;1434587996;ascii_field;but basic point - yes - need nodes, so can have usable default
1167026;1434588028;mats;i'm under the mistaken impression that USG only gives contracts to US corps
1167027;1434588049;ascii_field;mats: belgium is in the reich, therefore just as good as florida etc
1167028;1434588050;mats;particularly those related to defense
1167029;1434588057;mats;oh i see
1167030;1434588068;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> but basic point - yes - need nodes, so can have usable default << As weaponixation approaches a suggested .conf updated occasionally may be welcome for maintained nodes but harder for pogo "fire and forget" nodes
1167031;1434588113;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: presumably those will rely heavily on 'last seen' cache.
1167032;1434588120;ascii_field;but yes, the initial seeds ~must~ work.
1167033;1434588137;mircea_popescu;default as in, default for irc.
1167034;1434588142;ascii_field;and it is entirely insufficient to have merely one or two of them.
1167035;1434588166;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: at present time the irc routine is, notice, still in. complete with idiot hardcoded hostname
1167036;1434588258;mircea_popescu;myah
1167037;1434588296;ascii_field;was thinking of tearing out the hardcoded hostname in favour of ip:port read from config
1167038;1434588306;ascii_field;(which - yes - will have to be filled in on initial run)
1167039;1434588332;ascii_field;thing is, i fucking hate magic constants
1167040;1434588335;ascii_field;hardcoded
1167041;1434588365;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1167042;1434588390;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-06-2015#1161193 << The entire just get a bic and why not butane business is what's wrong with computing. Experimental pocket firebox (in contrast to one with the girl and the ass) has lit when offered everything from 40% ETOH to decade old Kerosene
1167043;1434588390;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 17:13:25; ascii_field: (butane lighters have existed for what, half a century now ?)
1167044;1434588391;ascii_field;thing should come with a suggested config, yes. and it is the responsibility of the installer (gentoo 'emerge' or whatever) to emplace it.
1167045;1434588443;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i occasionally light blowtorches, gas-fired soldering irons, etc. can only use a) match b) butane lighter
1167046;1434588461;ascii_field;a petrol or naptha wick lighter dries out if left alone for six months between uses.
1167047;1434588491;BingoBoingo;naptha/petrol lighter dries out within 2 weeks. Bless that the fuel is cheap.
1167048;1434588499;ascii_field;but worthless to me
1167049;1434588502;ascii_field;because wtf
1167050;1434588514;ascii_field;matchbox beats it for 'minimum effort.'
1167051;1434588525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 45984 @ 0.00004 = 1.8394 BTC [-] {5} 
1167052;1434588526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92450 @ 0.00044425 = 41.0709 BTC [+] {4} 
1167053;1434588554;BingoBoingo;But what if you need to torch dupont circle? Will a tiny butane flame from a bic catch of the straw roofs in humid conditions?
1167054;1434588573;BingoBoingo;matchbox indeed is often ideal
1167055;1434588603;BingoBoingo;paper books of matches often still better than box
1167056;1434588603;ascii_field;straw roofs lol
1167057;1434588673;BingoBoingo;High R-values, you know the building codes will promote them soon
1167058;1434588728;pete_dushenski;"Jimmy Lee was a vice chairman at JPMorgan Chase and was widely credited with developing the leveraged loan market in the United States." << dead at age 62.
1167059;1434588748;pete_dushenski;same age as putin for whatever that's worth
1167060;1434588840;BingoBoingo;;;ud american fist
1167061;1434588841;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+American+Fist | The American Fist. * When you fist a girl so hard and so deep it causes her to pass-out. * Shove it loud, and shove it proud. I really should have token my ...
1167062;1434588850;BingoBoingo;^ unlikely 'Murican nao
1167063;1434588890;pete_dushenski;"The Royal Bank of Scotland said on Wednesday that about 600,000 customer transactions had not been processed as a result of a technology failure overnight. The issue affected transactions at the company’s R.B.S., National Westminster Bank, Coutts and Ulster Bank brands." << wasn't there an old meme about 'bitcoin users not affected' ? seems appropriate here.
1167064;1434588952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00044638 = 3.3702 BTC [+]
1167065;1434588979;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mpoe
1167066;1434588979;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00040954 / 0.00043001 / 0.00044638 (1624630 shares, 698.62 BTC), 7D: 0.0003539 / 0.00040764 / 0.00044638 (15483015 shares, 6,311.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00033126 / 0.00044638 (117802097 shares, 39,023.80 BTC)
1167067;1434589162;pete_dushenski;https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxXk1d3yyuZOFlsdkNMSGswSGs/view << or why you shouldn't use an operating system 'keychain' to store your passwords
1167068;1434589163;assbot;report.pdf - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk0V4h )
1167069;1434589177;pete_dushenski;"Unauthorized Cross-App Resource Access on MAC OS X and iOS" ^
1167070;1434589184;ascii_field;keychain?
1167071;1434589195;pete_dushenski;password storage manager
1167072;1434589200;ascii_field;like the 'yubikey' turd mtgox shipped ?
1167073;1434589202;pete_dushenski;autofills credentials
1167074;1434589205;ascii_field;ah
1167075;1434589212;pete_dushenski;built into os
1167076;1434589219;pete_dushenski;'always on'
1167077;1434589246;ascii_field;sounds terminally braindamaged to begin with
1167078;1434589272;ascii_field;and convenient sack of 'crown jewels' for whoever pwns the box
1167079;1434589277;pete_dushenski;and, not unsurprisingly, terminally common
1167080;1434589280;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2514
1167081;1434589282;assbot;JL: ‘The European Age’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk14Vr )
1167082;1434589379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39259 @ 0.00044638 = 17.5244 BTC [+]
1167083;1434589563;pete_dushenski;"Tony Clement @TonyclementCPC "Confirmed today that Govt of Canada GC servers have been cyberattacked. Until full service is restored please use 1-800-OCanada." 11:59 AM - 17 Jun 2015 "
1167084;1434589568;pete_dushenski;bwahahha
1167085;1434589583;ascii_field;GC?
1167086;1434589586;ascii_field;garbage collector ?
1167087;1434589595;pete_dushenski;lol!
1167088;1434589636;pete_dushenski;i think clement is being redundant.
1167089;1434589683;pete_dushenski;'anonymous' has laid claim, citing 'bill c-51'
1167090;1434589699;pete_dushenski;c-51 is some cyberterrorism baloney
1167091;1434589804;pete_dushenski;the dinner guests (rare treat, this) will be here momentarily so i must depart for the evening. bon soir a tous !
1167092;1434590030;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2512
1167093;1434590031;assbot;JL: Steak and Eggs for Breakfast ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk2EXx )
1167094;1434590050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00044638 = 26.1579 BTC [+]
1167095;1434590111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36236 @ 0.0004355 = 15.7808 BTC [-]
1167096;1434590139;*;BingoBoingo impressed someone seems to exceed even trilema in writing pace
1167097;1434590238;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1167098;1434590247;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: /dev/random also exceeds it
1167099;1434590253;ascii_field;as does my arse
1167100;1434590265;ascii_field;i'd still rather read trilema
1167101;1434590625;BingoBoingo;Indeed. Still suprised by such documentation of urban 'Murican decline
1167102;1434590868;*;BingoBoingo still scours lafond site for information which may aid 11 year plan
1167103;1434590913;BingoBoingo;In other news the first of the daisies are opening today.
1167104;1434591331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00044687 = 51.8369 BTC [+] {4} 
1167105;1434591658;BingoBoingo;I offer lafond fumbling over the corn plan in action http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2533
1167106;1434591659;assbot;JL: The Hoodrat Hatchery ... ( http://bit.ly/1d2Dyk4 )
1167107;1434591670;trinque;so web browsers are gonna run binaries now eh?
1167108;1434591691;trinque;http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/17/google-microsoft-mozilla-and-others-team-up-to-launch-webassembly-a-new-binary-format-for-the-web/
1167109;1434591692;assbot;Google, Microsoft, Mozilla And Others Team Up To Launch WebAssembly, A New Binary Format For The Web  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1d2DAZ2 )
1167110;1434591718;trinque;what could go wrong
1167111;1434591727;ascii_field;l0l microshit at the table
1167112;1434591739;BingoBoingo;trinque: No, not so long as lynx lives. This is just the next stem from js.asm
1167113;1434591759;trinque;ascii_field: they just wanna give the web a nice hug
1167114;1434591761;ascii_field;just when we thought 'flash' had finally died
1167115;1434591774;trinque;and google's clearly taking a page from old microshit 90s tactics
1167116;1434591798;trinque;knew NaCL was going to be activex-google-edition
1167117;1434591819;ascii_field;thing is, classic js, for all the turdaliciousness, was 'too debuggable' for usg tastes.
1167118;1434591840;BingoBoingo;Lafond's excellent take on ISIS http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2531
1167119;1434591841;assbot;JL: ‘They Took Out Entire City Blocks' ... ( http://bit.ly/1QF1wo7 )
1167120;1434591885;trinque;ascii_field: right, did you also see (I think I put it in the logs) Apple's move to compile to apps to an intermediate bytecode, which is then transformed to whichever back-end machine code?
1167121;1434591894;trinque;*to compile apps
1167122;1434591900;ascii_field;eh they use stock llvm
1167123;1434591904;ascii_field;it sorta does this already
1167124;1434591907;trinque;ah ok
1167125;1434591914;ascii_field;yes, i get it, everybody wants to copy microshit
1167126;1434591921;trinque;looked like a move where you "sign" your release, but then they can diddle endlessly at the final step
1167127;1434591994;ascii_field;and all sorta of unsavory actors relish a mandated compile into a poorly-understood, sloppily-implemented instruction set for which there are no quality reversing tools
1167128;1434592002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31064 @ 0.0004355 = 13.5284 BTC [-]
1167129;1434592042;trinque;If this sounds depressing, do not worry. We will finally get to see how our Abrams Main Battle Tank holds up under state of the art airstrikes—because, ISIS now has 10 of those suckers and 100 more Humvees! << lol
1167130;1434592093;trinque;BingoBoingo: I can see an angle on the entire middle eastern expedition right there
1167131;1434592137;trinque;permanent training ground and excuse to expend (and replace!) equipment
1167132;1434592196;BingoBoingo;trinque: Also, practice for Texas treaty secession
1167133;1434592205;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1167134;1434592208;trinque;lol
1167135;1434592238;trinque;yeah, I can see that point too
1167136;1434592368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38126 @ 0.0004248 = 16.1959 BTC [-] {2} 
1167137;1434592429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95774 @ 0.00041823 = 40.0556 BTC [-] {3} 
1167138;1434593527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00042852 = 12.3842 BTC [+]
1167139;1434594076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00041729 = 14.9181 BTC [-]
1167140;1434594564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00041241 = 19.5482 BTC [-] {2} 
1167141;1434595131;mircea_popescu;aaannnnd in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0954fb8bce8dbda84c8979f18e581cfe/tumblr_nptqm20yoj1uojgsco1_1280.jpg
1167142;1434595132;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgVFds )
1167143;1434595302;BingoBoingo;Those are some small balls
1167144;1434595405;mircea_popescu;lol i guess so huh
1167145;1434595455;cazalla;mebe he was in the pool
1167146;1434595510;mats;https://fairygodboss.com
1167147;1434595514;assbot;Company reviews by women, for women | Fairygodboss ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgWC5o )
1167148;1434595605;mircea_popescu;trinque> knew NaCL was going to be activex-google-edition << word.
1167149;1434595746;mircea_popescu;"the nihilist ISIS Islamist horror show" heh. some kids not giving a shit about these kids circlejerk does not actually enact them into some sort of objective absolute.
1167150;1434595761;mircea_popescu;they're simply some kids that don't give a shit about a particular set of conventional nonsense
1167151;1434595845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00043205 = 11.1253 BTC [+] {2} 
1167152;1434595875;mircea_popescu;anyway, to take a page out of alf's book, "we will know terminal decline stage by this sign, that ivy-limp bureaucrats will organise tranny beheading parties and then gather the heads in a sack and take them to isis, as a ritual sacrifice. much to everyone's confusion and wtf in that camp."
1167153;1434595904;BingoBoingo;;;google dolezal
1167154;1434595905;gribble;Rachel Dolezal's brother: She's 'making up more lies' - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/index.html?eref=rss_topstories>; Rachel Dolezal, ex-NAACP leader: 'I identify as black' - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/>; Rachel Dolezal's brother, author Joshua Dolezal, faces trial for ...: (1 more message)
1167155;1434595938;BingoBoingo;Apparently the Clarence Thomas fellow can be trans-white, but this blonde chick can't be trans-black
1167156;1434595957;trinque;ahahaha
1167157;1434595983;*;BingoBoingo making good progress on my efforts to be trans-mexican.
1167158;1434595993;trinque;I'm a goddamn steamboat
1167159;1434595996;trinque;why not?
1167160;1434596002;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1167161;1434596003;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1J316ES.txt )
1167162;1434596016;BingoBoingo;Fuck you Imma Dragon
1167163;1434596076;trinque;lol
1167164;1434596104;trinque;what wonders will "I identify as" bring next
1167165;1434596105;BingoBoingo;Not really, but did "La Bamba" during Saturday night karaoke and rando polo wearing ham asked me if I did yard work. Fucker was purpised when I started offering prices.
1167166;1434596150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00044975 = 40.7024 BTC [+] {2} 
1167167;1434597296;cazalla;woot woot, the courier delivered my 2 x white shahtoot mulberry.. first time ordering plants online, preddy impressed tbh, arrive safe and sound
1167168;1434597461;decimation;asciilifeform: note that susan rice is also part of the 'rice cameron family foundation'
1167169;1434597553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67641 @ 0.00044978 = 30.4236 BTC [+] {2} 
1167170;1434598329;asciilifeform;not one of those buggers depends on honest (or otherwise) ~work~ for a living.
1167171;1434598546;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167008 << i fired a (rented) 'taurus' '45 at a firing range. it had parts clearly cast from shitmetal.
1167172;1434598546;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 00:35:22; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.
1167173;1434598572;asciilifeform;not even certain the hammer was 100% steel
1167174;1434598698;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Like everything else sold in 'Murican Market actual product costs substantial premium over given product.
1167175;1434598726;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the existence of pistols with 'zamac' moving parts blew my mind
1167176;1434598738;asciilifeform;can't wait for the zamac barrels
1167177;1434598744;asciilifeform;('3d printed!!111!1')
1167178;1434598748;BingoBoingo;lol
1167179;1434598766;BingoBoingo;Thankfully .45 ACP generates relatively low pressures
1167180;1434598772;asciilifeform;betcha clay would work better.
1167181;1434598791;asciilifeform;(pottery: the original 3d print!)
1167182;1434598793;BingoBoingo;Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties
1167183;1434598881;decimation;that Al lower receiver looked pretty solid
1167184;1434598883;BingoBoingo;For the record I am under the impression Kimber and "Springfield Armory" are the leaders in Model 1911 production with Taurus leading the M-92 production
1167185;1434598889;asciilifeform;decimation: not a pressurized part
1167186;1434598896;asciilifeform;can make from cardboard if you want.
1167187;1434598904;decimation;no, one would need to buy good quality upper and barrel
1167188;1434598921;asciilifeform;well yes. but the lower thing only holds a few springs and the mag
1167189;1434598947;BingoBoingo;Taurus also by its subsidiary Rossi seems to be dominating the lever action rifle market as well
1167190;1434598958;decimation;I imagine the accuracy of the rifle might be affected by cardboard trigger pull :)
1167191;1434598973;asciilifeform;(the upper half of that rifle, on account of some peculiar usg archaicism, is sold openly)
1167192;1434598993;decimation;I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized?
1167193;1434598997;asciilifeform;does one, strictly speaking, even need the lower to fire the rifle ?
1167194;1434599006;asciilifeform;or can you shoot it 'by hand' like you could the old lugers ?
1167195;1434599015;decimation;something needs to hold the trigger group together
1167196;1434599026;asciilifeform;can you simply whack the pin by hand ?
1167197;1434599028;decimation;my understanding of m-4 is that the lower does this
1167198;1434599029;decimation;heh
1167199;1434599037;decimation;well, can put .22 in a pipe too
1167200;1434599044;BingoBoingo;<decimation> I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized? << paladin press torrent will yeild a bounty on this subject
1167201;1434599044;decimation;this is why 'banning guns' is silly
1167202;1434599073;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not 'high tech'
1167203;1434599084;asciilifeform;(no more so than the one on your car)
1167204;1434599087;BingoBoingo;<decimation> well, can put .22 in a pipe too << 12 ga better "pipe" caliber candidate
1167205;1434599110;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course not. Few good things are "high tech"
1167206;1434599110;asciilifeform;i believe traditional american 'zip gun' is a '12ga'
1167207;1434599131;asciilifeform;specifically on account of matching the 'calibers' found in a typical plumbing goods shop
1167208;1434599144;BingoBoingo;Traditional zip gun is .22 or .25 caliber, but... if choosing off the shelf pipes why not go big?
1167209;1434599162;asciilifeform;harlan ellison described his years as teenaged scum with some detail re: this weapon
1167210;1434599185;asciilifeform;i can't recall the precise details. anyone who needs this - straight to him.
1167211;1434599252;decimation;apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200
1167212;1434599292;decimation;under fdr-era gun law
1167213;1434599348;BingoBoingo;decimation: In Missouri, Montana, and select rebel territories such tribute is unecessary if manufactered in state
1167214;1434599632;decimation;I don't think so
1167215;1434599639;decimation;it's a federal law
1167216;1434599697;decimation;some states won't let you have them even if they are registered
1167217;1434599715;decimation;apparently in Washington state you can own, but not use
1167218;1434599743;decimation;anti-gun nuts love to make guns louder, so they annoy people on nuisance grounds
1167219;1434599832;BingoBoingo;decimation: it is a grey area open to continuing litigation which is why the states in question pushed this kind of federal premption stuff forward, to keep the lawyers in an other than nekkid state
1167220;1434599842;BingoBoingo;"job creation" and all
1167221;1434599862;BingoBoingo;So what if Billy Bob does 10 years in Marion
1167222;1434600005;mats;Billy Bob Thornton is one creepy dude
1167223;1434600062;decimation;mmm hmm
1167224;1434600111;decimation;actually if there's hope for the us, it seems to be with the states
1167225;1434600115;BingoBoingo;Around these parts he would be white tie formal
1167226;1434600133;decimation;apparently colorado and others can just preempt federal law if they feel like it, and the feds are 'unable' to do anything
1167227;1434600145;mats;whats that you're referring to
1167228;1434600152;decimation;the whole pot thing
1167229;1434600175;decimation;if you are gonna waste your time on us politics, the most effective use would be state plebecites
1167230;1434600182;mats;o, 'federalism when convenient'
1167231;1434600203;decimation;mats: yeah but it kinda demonstrated that the feds are a paper tiger
1167232;1434600209;mats;feds are still busy fucking the state
1167233;1434600219;mats;mmj dispensaries cannot deposit funds into national anks
1167234;1434600225;decimation;as long as the 'reform' you want is popular, the fed's hands are tied to a degree
1167235;1434600242;mats;makes them an easy target for unscrupulous opportunists
1167236;1434600251;decimation;mats: so vote on state law preempting federal bank regulation
1167237;1434600263;mats;that works until scotus tells you to fuck off
1167238;1434600279;decimation;yeah but here's the thing, the feds don't want to go to scotus
1167239;1434600283;decimation;in case they lose
1167240;1434600302;decimation;that's why they didn't take colorado to court, for instance
1167241;1434600312;mats;i think i'll have to bone up on my case law for this conversation
1167242;1434600345;decimation;please do.  if we can get someone to author anti kyc/aml regulation in some state it would be a huge win for bitcoin
1167243;1434600394;decimation;this whole hastert affair still pisses me off.  imagine if a state voted to make it illegal for a bank to report your cash transaction to the feds
1167244;1434600413;mats;http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/17/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting
1167245;1434600413;assbot;Charleston church shooting: Multiple deaths reported  - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bp7Xoe )
1167246;1434600457;decimation;oh lordy, white man shootin' black people.  gonna be trayvon all over again
1167247;1434600654;BingoBoingo;"clean-shaven white man" << So much suspicion avoided by keeping a beard
1167248;1434600748;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties << the difference between properly fired fine clay and the bizarre ceramic-like metal replacement the chinese use is slight.
1167249;1434600759;mircea_popescu;(break a "solid metal" chinese item - see the porous microstructure)
1167250;1434600805;asciilifeform;^ zamac
1167251;1434600811;BingoBoingo;"fine clay" << /me mostly considers lical jungle clay of which there is an abundance.
1167252;1434600856;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167211 << not so simple. gotta get fingerprinted, filed in triplicate, and letter of permission from local sheriff (automatic in some states, a definite 'never' in others) plus subject to random inspections.
1167253;1434600856;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 03:47:32; decimation: apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200
1167254;1434600914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought zamac is actually an alloy not a carbide
1167255;1434600944;decimation;asciilifeform: some forums I read suggest that they can't inspect your weapon (without a warrant), just the tax stamp
1167256;1434600955;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: alloy. but shows the property described here.
1167257;1434600961;decimation;asciilifeform: in maryland I suspect the answer is always no
1167258;1434600972;decimation;unless you are friends with the governor or whatever
1167259;1434601526;BingoBoingo;Pistola http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1139&pr=0
1167260;1434601527;assbot;JL: The Stop Gap Tank ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4X7oT )
1167261;1434601967;decimation;lol "Other useless features were pistol ports (in the middle of a tank battle I am going to throw my 1911.45 cal handgun into the mix!),"
1167262;1434601985;decimation;imma shoot you with my pistol! pew pew!
1167263;1434601989;decimation;;;lasers
1167264;1434601989;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
1167265;1434602004;asciilifeform;late-model t-34 had them
1167266;1434602008;asciilifeform;they aren't for 'tank battle'
1167267;1434602016;asciilifeform;but for keeping infantry off your back
1167268;1434602029;asciilifeform;(if the coaxial guns jam, presumably)
1167269;1434602034;decimation;sure, but what about .50 cal on top
1167270;1434602064;decimation;at any rate, if a competent infantryman gets close enough to be killed by pistol - you are already dead
1167271;1434602104;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust
1167272;1434602104;assbot;Panzerfaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4YJ1T )
1167273;1434602117;asciilifeform;could have had 'psychological' reason for the ports, such as preventing crew from leaving machine prematurely
1167274;1434602152;decimation;yeah, anything to make them think they aren't gonna die in a fire or hail of metal shards
1167275;1434602250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.0004424 = 26.721 BTC [-]
1167276;1434602278;decimation;although I guess the early panzerfausts only had a 30m range!
1167277;1434602311;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeb3ZLb-wJ4 << obligatory. transl. of ultra-famous ru song on subject.
1167278;1434602312;assbot;�а поле танки грохотали (English Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4ZpUT )
1167279;1434602314;decimation;this means the most obvious anti-tank move for infantry is the traditional one - ambush
1167280;1434602391;mircea_popescu;!up lobbes
1167281;1434602393;mircea_popescu;!up lobbesbot
1167282;1434602400;lobbes;!rate lobbesbot 1 tis my bot
1167283;1434602400;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ae0fc5d760af1a15
1167284;1434602405;lobbes;excellent
1167285;1434602414;asciilifeform;http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters << my favourite historic anti-tank weapon
1167286;1434602415;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4ZIzh )
1167287;1434602434;mircea_popescu;decimation the problem those ports were probably trying to address is not "middle of tank battle" but "tank got ambushed by infantry"
1167288;1434602450;mircea_popescu;small caliber not such a bad idea. bb sprayer even better, of course.
1167289;1434602458;asciilifeform;didntijustsaythis
1167290;1434602463;mircea_popescu;oh nm, lol.
1167291;1434602469;asciilifeform;btw ru sop was to stick 'ppsh' through the hole
1167292;1434602482;asciilifeform;(for those unfamiliar, approximately 'tommygun')
1167293;1434602510;decimation;yeah, but if ambush is done right - not much chance to shoot back
1167294;1434602526;decimation;not like infantryman is plinking your shit with his luger
1167295;1434602536;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.rate.lobbesbot.1:8563e8638d7c36011d64878ef0c573fd68e225b2e10143bcf181008d5da4205d
1167296;1434602536;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbesbot with note: tis my bot
1167297;1434602541;mircea_popescu;the "ambush done right" is this thing still awaiting embodiement irl.
1167298;1434602641;decimation;asciilifeform: lol the infantry equiv. of a kamakaze raid
1167299;1434602681;asciilifeform;banzai!!
1167300;1434602690;mats;...lol
1167301;1434602741;decimation;one wonders if that if the jap could get close enough to hide in bushes - why not bury actual anti-tank mine?
1167302;1434602753;asciilifeform;mines can't run.
1167303;1434602762;asciilifeform;(or scream 'banzai!')
1167304;1434602860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79559 @ 0.00044982 = 35.7872 BTC [+]
1167305;1434602862;mats;i hear the japanese are pretty good at baseball
1167306;1434602874;mats;grenades for the port?
1167307;1434602889;asciilifeform;mats: afaik it's 100% post-occupation thing
1167308;1434602898;mats;am joking
1167309;1434602911;decimation;mats: they could toss those magnetic mines, seems much more practical
1167310;1434602945;decimation;lol but apparently it too was impact-triggered
1167311;1434602962;decimation;poor sops in wwii didn't have a proper timer for anything
1167312;1434602966;asciilifeform;decimation: netting existed in ww2
1167313;1434602982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00044648 = 26.9227 BTC [-]
1167314;1434603020;decimation;anti-tank netting?
1167315;1434603031;asciilifeform;anti-grenade netting
1167316;1434603035;decimation;ah
1167317;1434603118;decimation;modern equiv is that 'slat fence' armor
1167318;1434603372;decimation;asciilifeform: have you even done 'alsa' programming?
1167319;1434603375;decimation;it's a shit api
1167320;1434603384;asciilifeform;no and i don't intend to..
1167321;1434603404;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167023 << i've stopped clicking since these apparently began including cock
1167322;1434603404;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 00:39:50; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg
1167323;1434603470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178432 @ 0.00044636 = 79.6449 BTC [-] {2} 
1167324;1434603539;BingoBoingo;mats: Last "World Baseball Classic" the japs were knocked out by the Netherlands to my great profit.
1167325;1434603583;mats;can confirm there is no cock in that one
1167326;1434603608;*;asciilifeform actually surprised
1167327;1434603623;mats;BingoBoingo: who usually wins these things?
1167328;1434603640;mats;i mean, besides presumably USA
1167329;1434603695;BingoBoingo;mats: Up until 2013 the Japs. Problem is the Japs have such a toxic culture towards starting pitchers. 2013 Dominican Republic won. Semifinal Part of the USA (Puerto Rico) beat the rest of USA
1167330;1434603752;mats;ic
1167331;1434603847;BingoBoingo;Latin American hitting is the best. Japanesep pitching technique is great. Just Japanese coaching techniques destroys arms.
1167332;1434603989;ben_vulpes;<ascii_field> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html << ah it warms my heart. as an aside, is theshooping in the message protocol actually necessary for anything?
1167333;1434603990;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5l3tQ )
1167334;1434604473;ben_vulpes;(ip passing, i mean to say)
1167335;1434604658;mod6;hanbot: I finally have a guide you can follow for an amd64 (x86-64) Gentoo install on physical hardware.  This guide is actually part A (just the commands & notes) and part B (with examples from my own install process).  trinque & I have both tested this independantly, and the steps got us to a working install.  Hopefully you'll get the same result!  You should probably just read through both before actually doing anything.  Here are the URL's to
1167336;1434604747;mod6;Thanks for the help!
1167337;1434604757;mats;where da URLs at
1167338;1434604773;mod6;Did it cut them off from my message?
1167339;1434604777;*;mod6 looks at the log
1167340;1434604801;mod6;Ah yeah it did. Ok, one sec:
1167341;1434604826;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide.txt
1167342;1434604827;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5lLak )
1167343;1434604832;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
1167344;1434604832;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5lLqN )
1167345;1434604862;mod6;Upon further successful testing of these guides, they'll be submitted to the mailing list, etc.
1167346;1434605028;mod6;hanbot: anyway, thanks again, let me know if you have any questions.
1167347;1434605052;mod6;(others are welcome to test these as well, ofc)
1167348;1434605300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148228 @ 0.0004442 = 65.8429 BTC [-]
1167349;1434605979;hanbot;mod6 wunderbar! will be sure to pester as/if necessary. looks about a couple orders of magnitude slimmer than handbook at first glance, exciting
1167350;1434606081;*;BingoBoingo confesses, my attraction to OpenBSD is for the easy configuration and handholding
1167351;1434606115;BingoBoingo;!up diana_coman
1167352;1434606129;BingoBoingo;!up Bi0
1167353;1434606145;BingoBoingo;!up _biO_
1167354;1434606153;BingoBoingo;!up chalbersma
1167355;1434606171;chalbersma;What's up?
1167356;1434606202;_biO_;> BingoBoingo  !up Bi0
1167357;1434606202;BingoBoingo;Not to much, saw you joined figured I'd offer voice.
1167358;1434606205;_biO_;i find that offensive
1167359;1434606240;BingoBoingo;_biO_: Nigga/Bitch/WHitey Plase
1167360;1434606272;_biO_;just kidding, bimbobongo
1167361;1434606299;BingoBoingo;Hey, i am transMehican, respect my lawn
1167362;1434606434;*;BingoBoingo going to check my lawn and make sure it is coon free
1167363;1434606731;BingoBoingo;Yup coon free yard
1167364;1434606775;danielpbarron;;;later tell ahmed_ you should spend that litcoin to a different address; I sent you the private key over plain text
1167365;1434606776;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1167366;1434606947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47987 @ 0.0004438 = 21.2966 BTC [-] {2} 
1167367;1434607231;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: what kind of braindamage are youdealing with oday?
1167368;1434607264;danielpbarron;i had a Litecoin "paper wallet" and wanted to sell into the price surge yesterday
1167369;1434607279;danielpbarron;and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key
1167370;1434607558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0004442 = 2.5097 BTC [+]
1167371;1434607679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.0004442 = 10.5942 BTC [+]
1167372;1434608566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you shower ?
1167373;1434609291;danielpbarron;>> The coinbase transaction in block zero cannot be spent. This is due to a quirk of the reference client implementation that would open the potential for a block chain fork if some nodes accepted the spend and others did not
1167374;1434609387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00044201 = 23.7359 BTC [-] {2} 
1167375;1434609848;danielpbarron;>> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
1167376;1434609875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.0004442 = 20.0334 BTC [+]
1167377;1434610155;copypaste;interesting, cazalla
1167378;1434610218;funkenstein_;BTCBanana: funkenstein, hahah why you invested in a tech you don't understand go read the book by andreas
1167379;1434610368;danielpbarron;>> All three problems are triggering real user complaints for the Android "Bitcoin Wallet" app which implements SPV mode. In order to make chain synchronization fast, cheap and able to run on older phones with limited memory we want to have remote peers throw away irrelevant transactions before sending them across the network.
1167380;1434610390;danielpbarron;https://archive.is/BzqNQ#selection-933.318-933.643
1167381;1434610392;assbot;bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlRhuU )
1167382;1434610545;funkenstein_;hmm, not much proofreading there eh?
1167383;1434610712;danielpbarron;they were for keeping things small before they were against it, because it was triggering SPVs
1167384;1434610878;danielpbarron;the other quotes were from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166912
1167385;1434610878;assbot;Logged on 17-06-2015 23:28:48; ascii_field: shinohai: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#version
1167386;1434611121;danielpbarron;would 0.5.3.1 reject a block as valid that spent the block zero coin base? would "XT" do the opposite?
1167387;1434611153;funkenstein_;??
1167388;1434611171;danielpbarron;er.. accept a block as valid or reject it
1167389;1434611210;felipelalli;This news is sooo Qntra.net: http://g1.globo.com/mato-grosso/noticia/2015/06/idoso-de-sp-e-preso-em-mt-com-mais-de-20-barras-de-ouro-em-mochila.html (an old man was arrested just to transport gold in Brazil, lol)
1167390;1434611213;assbot;G1 - Idoso de SP é preso em MT com mais de 20 barras de ouro em mochila - notícias em Mato Grosso ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5qUiI )
1167391;1434611246;funkenstein_;nobody suggests to accept blocks that spend new coinbases, if that's your question
1167392;1434611271;danielpbarron;apparently the first coin base "can't be spent"
1167393;1434611349;funkenstein_;oh you mean genesis, yeah
1167394;1434611366;danielpbarron;does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins
1167395;1434611385;funkenstein_;well a lot more than that are inaccessible
1167396;1434611420;funkenstein_;unknown number of lost keys
1167397;1434611422;danielpbarron;right but they /could/ be spent if not for the lost data
1167398;1434611426;funkenstein_;true
1167399;1434611501;funkenstein_;so yeah, 20,999,950 theoretically spendable by 2130 or whenever
1167400;1434611549;danielpbarron;and the unix timestamp thing is a good example of when to hard fork
1167401;1434611574;danielpbarron;unless it can roll over without invalidating things
1167402;1434611798;funkenstein_;it would be cool to reference genesis block as t=0 at that point
1167403;1434611841;danielpbarron;can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid
1167404;1434611862;funkenstein_;though people probably prefer sticking with Jan 1 1970
1167405;1434611963;funkenstein_;timestamp could be "secons since last difficulty change" too, it doesn't really matter
1167406;1434612010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49497 @ 0.00043653 = 21.6069 BTC [-] {2} 
1167407;1434612071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16803 @ 0.00043152 = 7.2508 BTC [-]
1167408;1434612081;danielpbarron;>> Only the bitcoin releases 0.1.0 up to 0.1.5 which supported only Windows 2000 / Windows NT and Windows XP (perhaps Windows Vista). The next bitcoin release 0.2.0 from Dec 2009, nearly a year later, starts to support Linux and the community got more and more actively involved in the development.
1167409;1434612107;danielpbarron;https://archive.is/1G9lX#selection-107.0-111.56
1167410;1434612107;assbot;Original Bitcoin client - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5rWey )
1167411;1434612160;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-06-2015#1165193
1167412;1434612160;assbot;Logged on 16-06-2015 18:27:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164801 << ford went to work in a horsedrawn buggy for most of his life too.
1167413;1434612437;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 266 @ 0.00466944 = 1.2421 BTC [-] {3} 
1167414;1434613101;cazalla;felipelalli, if you're keen feel free to write it up yourself, i don't imagine BingoBoingo or mp would take issue with that
1167415;1434613222;felipelalli;cazalla: thank you to encourage me!
1167416;1434614084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.0004397 = 14.7739 BTC [+]
1167417;1434614572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00044673 = 47.3981 BTC [+] {3} 
1167418;1434615182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00045158 = 23.8886 BTC [+] {3} 
1167419;1434615670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40427 @ 0.00045652 = 18.4557 BTC [+] {2} 
1167420;1434616280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00046031 = 12.1292 BTC [+] {2} 
1167421;1434616731;shinohai;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/goldman-sachs-introduces-curfews-for-interns--they-must-go-home-by-midnight-10327770.html
1167422;1434616731;assbot;Goldman Sachs introduces curfews for interns – they must go home by midnight - Business News - Business - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fo5kOu )
1167423;1434617042;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3TE0E59.txt
1167424;1434617043;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fo5PrR )
1167425;1434617044;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1167426;1434617256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00046037 = 7.527 BTC [+]
1167427;1434617593;davout;trinque: deedbot feature request, "View deeds by user X" on deedbot.org
1167428;1434617807;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/332V4FF.txt
1167429;1434617808;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1TZeg )
1167430;1434617809;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1167431;1434618720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20332 @ 0.00045891 = 9.3306 BTC [-]
1167432;1434619025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11454 @ 0.00044501 = 5.0971 BTC [-] {2} 
1167433;1434619932;punkman;http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/  these guys are rewriting wikipedia
1167434;1434619933;assbot;Info:Main Page - New World Encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWA67y )
1167435;1434619998;punkman;hmm I guess it's not new, first time google spits it out at the top for me though
1167436;1434620611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00046197 = 15.1064 BTC [+] {3} 
1167437;1434622319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00044998 = 22.1615 BTC [-]
1167438;1434622746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00045082 = 11.8566 BTC [+] {2} 
1167439;1434624515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35350 @ 0.00044881 = 15.8654 BTC [-]
1167440;1434625247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37624 @ 0.00045051 = 16.95 BTC [+] {2} 
1167441;1434625796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42780 @ 0.00043757 = 18.7192 BTC [-] {2} 
1167442;1434627260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22926 @ 0.00045199 = 10.3623 BTC [+]
1167443;1434627321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00046471 = 17.4963 BTC [+]
1167444;1434627587;kakobrekla;http://airbusdefenceandspace.com/newsroom/news-and-features/airbus-defence-and-space-selected-to-partner-in-production-of-oneweb-satellite-constellation/
1167445;1434627588;assbot;            Airbus Defence and Space Selected to Partner in Production of OneWeb Satellite Constellation         ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gulqu5 )
1167446;1434627687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43155 @ 0.00046351 = 20.0028 BTC [-] {2} 
1167447;1434627748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23895 @ 0.00046578 = 11.1298 BTC [+] {2} 
1167448;1434628114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30047 @ 0.00045697 = 13.7306 BTC [-]
1167449;1434629100;pete_dushenski;https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qfA2j300TN85O3DBm1bWC1-TFkq24M3Qp24YfKE5K7A/edit << anatomy of a string-along-scammer by adam_obrien
1167450;1434629101;assbot;Robocon - an 18 month robocoin experience. $25k later, no machine - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GumPRo )
1167451;1434629111;pete_dushenski;!s jordan kelley
1167452;1434629112;assbot;0 results for 'jordan kelley' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jordan+kelley
1167453;1434629118;pete_dushenski;fo realz ?
1167454;1434629159;pete_dushenski;well, he's the robocoin 'bitcoin atm' dude
1167455;1434629205;pete_dushenski;made a big splash, first in vancouver, about 1.5 years ago.
1167456;1434629334;pete_dushenski;shock, awe, kelley is basically 'bfl' for 'atms'
1167457;1434629459;pete_dushenski;in other news, i finally installed openbsd on my edgerouter !
1167458;1434629488;pete_dushenski;it took ubuntu to make it happen, which i hadn't used before
1167459;1434629497;pete_dushenski;14.04 or something
1167460;1434629513;pete_dushenski;couldn't believe how much it *looked* like osx
1167461;1434629530;pete_dushenski;just... less smooth in operation
1167462;1434629939;pete_dushenski;http://hypecurioso.com/explorador-descobre-os-restos-tristes-do-programa-espacial-sovietico/ << the size and scale of the space shuttle in these pictures, representing the combined and concerted efforts of thousands of the world's best minds, is an engineering feat that's more than a bit moving.
1167463;1434629940;assbot;Explorador descobre os restos tristes do programa espacial soviético ... ( http://bit.ly/1GunG4x )
1167464;1434629962;pete_dushenski;everything's just so beautifully fit for use.
1167465;1434630127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00046518 = 14.5136 BTC [+]
1167466;1434630198;pete_dushenski;^soyuz at baikonur cosmodrome in kazakhstan, ftr
1167467;1434630309;pete_dushenski;sorry, 'buran', not soyuz
1167468;1434630362;pete_dushenski;not to be confused with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2015#1012536
1167469;1434630362;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2015 05:55:37; asciilifeform: to a lesser extent also famous are other vintage home appliances, like 'buran' vacuum cleaner - http://kartmen.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/20131126_162658.jpg
1167470;1434630515;pete_dushenski;"When faced with the requirement to make a 200mt thrust LOX/LH2 engine, in tandem with reusability, the Soviets decided to ditch the reusable requirement."
1167471;1434630527;pete_dushenski;"The end result was a powerhouse known as the Energia LV – which used four strap-on boosters, each powered by a four-chamber RD-170 engine burning with kerosene/LOX, and a central core stage with four single-chamber RD-0120 (11D122) engines fueled with liquid hydrogen/LOX"
1167472;1434630701;pete_dushenski;"The immense power of the Energia provided a capacity to place about 100 tonnes in Low Earth Orbit (LEO), up to 20 t to the geostationary orbit (GEO) and up to 32 t to a translunar trajectory."
1167473;1434630730;pete_dushenski;"Buran hitched the ride to space on the side of the Energia, only using her own two engines – the equivalent of the shuttle’s Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) using GOX/Kerosene propellant – for a 66.7 m/s burn to reach a final the orbit of 251 km x 263 km."
1167474;1434630741;pete_dushenski;^for the rocketistas.
1167475;1434631957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5316 @ 0.00046258 = 2.4591 BTC [-]
1167476;1434632262;pete_dushenski;!up referredbyloper
1167477;1434632267;pete_dushenski;howdy
1167478;1434632325;mircea_popescu;how goes
1167479;1434632377;pete_dushenski;up at the crack of dawn this morn, thought it was 8am, it was 5:30
1167480;1434632391;mircea_popescu;so lick her out.
1167481;1434632417;pete_dushenski;is that even kosher ?
1167482;1434632422;pete_dushenski;i kid, i kid.
1167483;1434632430;pete_dushenski;though i did once wonder this.
1167484;1434632445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116400 @ 0.00046254 = 53.8397 BTC [-] {2} 
1167485;1434632469;mircea_popescu;cunt is kosher afaik.
1167486;1434632486;pete_dushenski;myup.
1167487;1434632510;pete_dushenski;but not if there's hare.
1167488;1434632933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00046037 = 12.384 BTC [-] {2} 
1167489;1434633360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88401 @ 0.00045697 = 40.3966 BTC [-]
1167490;1434633422;mod6;<+hanbot> mod6 wunderbar! will be sure to pester as/if necessary. looks about a couple orders of magnitude slimmer than handbook at first glance, exciting << ah thx! yeah, just let me know if you run into any problems/questions.
1167491;1434633551;jurov;gotta try it too
1167492;1434634143;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167372 << with water.
1167493;1434634143;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 06:22:46; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you shower ?
1167494;1434634153;asciilifeform;or did i misunderstand this question
1167495;1434634163;mircea_popescu;but there is a penis ?
1167496;1434634176;asciilifeform;it doesn't unscrew, no
1167497;1434634275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00046459 = 30.4771 BTC [+] {3} 
1167498;1434634292;mircea_popescu;how is this resolved ?
1167499;1434634326;asciilifeform;the original observation was about the 'susprises' in the pr0n links, rather than penii per se
1167500;1434634344;asciilifeform;*surprise
1167501;1434634361;asciilifeform;sorta like, i have nothing against auto tyres, and in fact own five, but i don't want one for dinner
1167502;1434634391;mircea_popescu;but the value of pornography is novelty rather than function
1167503;1434634395;asciilifeform;and picture if you were served a hot, steaming tyre instead of, e.g., pie
1167504;1434634396;mircea_popescu;you don't actually fuck the screen
1167505;1434634427;mircea_popescu;and also, i am writing like the best article ever.
1167506;1434634444;asciilifeform;i personally swing in the direction where everything on the screen has to be recognizably woman
1167507;1434634456;asciilifeform;but that's just me.
1167508;1434634543;*;asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food
1167509;1434634643;mircea_popescu;i thought you ordered everything online.
1167510;1434634655;mircea_popescu;text listings ? "try our delicious lasagna"
1167511;1434634662;asciilifeform;not food
1167512;1434634678;asciilifeform;probably don't even want to contemplate what 'online food' gets you here.
1167513;1434634690;mircea_popescu;didn't you link some pics of soviet food and declare they made you drool a little ago ?
1167514;1434634698;asciilifeform;aha. those - yes
1167515;1434634708;mircea_popescu;so you do actually look at pictures of food.
1167516;1434634718;mircea_popescu;all hail me, the grand lord inquisitioner.
1167517;1434634724;asciilifeform;and at pr0n also. when encountered in the wild, linked
1167518;1434634728;asciilifeform;but won't go out to look for it
1167519;1434634745;asciilifeform;because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
1167520;1434634752;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1167521;1434634860;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167369 << litecoind is no harder to set up than bitcoind
1167522;1434634860;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 06:01:19; danielpbarron: and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key
1167523;1434634914;asciilifeform;incidentally, has anyone bothered to study litecoin sources and note, e.g., whether it 'gavinized' in the wake of bitcoin, and how ?
1167524;1434634927;asciilifeform;what is it like, internally
1167525;1434634940;asciilifeform;i personally can't be arsed to do this
1167526;1434634948;mircea_popescu;worse.
1167527;1434634955;mircea_popescu;and since inception
1167528;1434634955;shinohai;Nearly all coins from the shitclone era connect to that same irc server
1167529;1434634971;punkman;they still merge from bitcoin source
1167530;1434634987;asciilifeform;well yes, 'worse since inception' in the documented ways
1167531;1434635002;asciilifeform;punkman: aha!
1167532;1434635026;asciilifeform;punkman: so did it abandon proper verification? does it 'header-first' ?
1167533;1434635028;wyrdmantis;FYI: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel/8377/focus=8382
1167534;1434635028;assbot;Gmane Loom ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6TAlc )
1167535;1434635091;asciilifeform;^ this lulzatron has been going for at least a week. hearn openly advocates 'gavin for fuhrer' notion
1167536;1434635141;mircea_popescu;and why wouldn't he.
1167537;1434635148;punkman;asciilifeform: they seem to be merging bitcoin 0.10 so I'm guessing yes
1167538;1434635175;asciilifeform;very convenient that the idiot fork is breathing its last just as therealbitcoin is approaching something like usable status
1167539;1434635238;asciilifeform;(re: the latter: once dns is out, and import/export-privkey are in, i will be moving my personal nodes to therealbitcoin...)
1167540;1434635283;mircea_popescu;reasonabru
1167541;1434635338;pete_dushenski;http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/jack-m-mintz-albertas-bad-plays << o hey mintz reads contravex whowouldathunkit
1167542;1434635339;assbot;  Jack M. Mintz: Alberta’s bad plays | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6UM88 )
1167543;1434635341;asciilifeform;gavin: sits in car, makes motions, 'vroom, vroom'  hearn: 'steal it already'
1167544;1434635378;pete_dushenski;gavin: 'but this is more fun!'
1167545;1434635386;mircea_popescu;lmao
1167546;1434635389;mircea_popescu;!b 3
1167547;1434635389;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0A1PD54.txt )
1167548;1434635411;pete_dushenski;:)
1167549;1434635462;pete_dushenski;!up adam_obrien
1167550;1434635472;pete_dushenski;hey man !
1167551;1434635495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36649 @ 0.00046842 = 17.1671 BTC [+] {2} 
1167552;1434635562;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167508 << porn's really more like recipes than food
1167553;1434635562;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 13:35:43; *: asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food
1167554;1434635572;adam_obrien;Thanks @pete_dushenski
1167555;1434635590;mircea_popescu;anyway, porn has at least the very important social function that it models female behaviour.
1167556;1434635597;asciilifeform;it does ?!!
1167557;1434635611;mircea_popescu;or, more properly stated : that it offers a usable, cheap counterbalance to the female community behaviour.
1167558;1434635619;asciilifeform;this - sure
1167559;1434635627;mircea_popescu;that thing where they gang together to try and force the male hand.
1167560;1434635628;pete_dushenski;adam_obrien: np, and no need to use '@' ;)
1167561;1434635670;adam_obrien;Haha - still getting used to IRC over Twitter!! AUA on reddit with Robocoin operators at 1pm EST if anyone here is interested.
1167562;1434635697;mircea_popescu;adam_obrien the correct way to use this is exactly backwards : tell would be whoevers on twitter to get into the wot.
1167563;1434635700;*;wyrdmantis prepares popcorn
1167564;1434635739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32143 @ 0.00044619 = 14.3419 BTC [-]
1167565;1434635748;mircea_popescu;the interest, here or anywhere, for the deeds of anyone pretending to be in cryptocurrency who doesn't meet the minimum bar of competency for that field is not unlike the interest we show scientists that can't add. "will there be nudity ?"
1167566;1434635802;pete_dushenski;1, 2, 3, 4... nudity !
1167567;1434635888;*;pete_dushenski recalls bus ad for 'did you know that 1/5 people has genital herpes ?' as a young man, teasing 5th kid in line that he was it. because math.
1167568;1434635922;mircea_popescu;such idiocy those ads.
1167569;1434635924;pete_dushenski;something along the lines of '1, 2, 3, 4, jacob has genital herpes !'
1167570;1434635936;asciilifeform;l0l and what of all the folks with arm and leg herpes
1167571;1434635943;asciilifeform;they get no press
1167572;1434635954;mircea_popescu;i dunno why epidemiology is so hard to follow, but let's add two and two together. two one : the virus is not a new introduction. two two : the virus is stable aroun 16-18% infections.
1167573;1434635957;mircea_popescu;what does this mean ?
1167574;1434635962;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: because porn
1167575;1434635999;mircea_popescu;a) that infection is unrelated to exposure in any form ; b) that "fighting" pointless "battles" is the best way to waste public money in relative personal safety ; c) canada is broadly iliterate
1167576;1434636044;pete_dushenski;damn, adam_obrien just left... was going to ask what 'aua' is as opposed to 'ama', and if it's 'us', who that includes. ah well.
1167577;1434636066;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, most newly introduced (ie, no equilibrium reached yet) infections go from 16% to 100% in two days
1167578;1434636091;asciilifeform;a) isn't quite a complete description. in the folks having the particular immune quirk which lets the thing blow up into red skin etc., exposure can plant it down in new places (thing lives in nearest nerve)
1167579;1434636097;mircea_popescu;if it's been 16% for a week, you don't get it by fucking herpetic whores bareback, you get it from being genetically broken in that way
1167580;1434636126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1167581;1434636236;asciilifeform;my understanding is that a sufferer of, e.g., mouth herpes, could actually infect himself with penile herpes if he were sufficiently.. flexible
1167582;1434636277;pete_dushenski;flexible, or like the mythical marilyn manson, missing lower ribs
1167583;1434636294;mircea_popescu;except pretty much everyone can be made to develop mouth herpes by stressing the liver in a particular manner
1167584;1434636295;pete_dushenski;an 'urban myth
1167585;1434636311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's the liver to do with it ?
1167586;1434636329;mircea_popescu;i imagine some precursor protein for the supression ?
1167587;1434636344;asciilifeform;and why mouth ?
1167588;1434636357;mircea_popescu;cause for some reason it's where it mostly manifests, esp in young people.
1167589;1434636493;pete_dushenski;probably like infected ant who crawls to top of plant to be eaten by herbivore
1167590;1434636495;mircea_popescu;even leaving aside the "we've arbitrarily divided this virus up into 3 no wait 7 no wait 16 no wait nm groups", the notion that "i don't have herpes" is to be translated as "i read very little and understand even less".
1167591;1434636510;pete_dushenski;mouth is where the contact is with potential hosts
1167592;1434636517;mircea_popescu;this is possible.
1167593;1434636530;asciilifeform;my understanding is that this virus does not lodge very far from original contact.
1167594;1434636564;mircea_popescu;it's not too well understood what it does. but trivially : you don't have monolaterality in observed cases
1167595;1434636573;mircea_popescu;(ie, there's no "upper lip left side" herpes)
1167596;1434636604;mircea_popescu;if you look at the nerves, there's really very little contact / very good separation between the strands
1167597;1434636621;mircea_popescu;so how does it jump from the right to the left trigeminus ?
1167598;1434636622;asciilifeform;aha. like cabling.
1167599;1434636626;mircea_popescu;aha.
1167600;1434636717;pete_dushenski;so infection starts monolaterally and spreads within host (via saliva) to become bilateral ?
1167601;1434636730;pete_dushenski;sounds reasonable.
1167602;1434636735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, re the liver stressing ; herpes C generates liver disease all the way to cirhosis.
1167603;1434636747;mircea_popescu;but in 80% ish of alcoholics and in 3% ish of normal people.
1167604;1434636750;mircea_popescu;how about that!
1167605;1434636772;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski your saliva is eventually shat out, but little arse herpes described.
1167606;1434636810;pete_dushenski;not that the ass is nerveless, but there's certainly a much lower density there
1167607;1434636821;mircea_popescu;(the one medically notable thing about alcoholics is that their liver is shot)
1167608;1434636836;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski less than what ? about on par with mouth and labia/penis head.
1167609;1434636866;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ah, was going to say mouth. i may well be mistaken
1167610;1434637537;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167505 << i'm predicting a lengthy diatribe today
1167611;1434637537;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 13:33:47; mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.
1167612;1434637831;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ?
1167613;1434637901;asciilifeform;mod6 has the resource consumption data on the apparatus in question (assuming mod6 and ben_vulpes decide to ratify the requisite patches which added up to that sample)
1167614;1434637903;mircea_popescu;im definitely going to run a few.
1167615;1434637923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you think it feasible to run one on nsa servers ?
1167616;1434637923;asciilifeform;incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?
1167617;1434637942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it most certainly is. though it will get squeezed when i roll out the multicore phuctoratron
1167618;1434637950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have read in the sense of moved my eyes over them and decyphered the letters. i have not read in the sense i understand this sufficiently.
1167619;1434637966;asciilifeform;good thing it mostly consists of minus signs.
1167620;1434637983;mircea_popescu;tracherous thing.
1167621;1434637997;asciilifeform;if you grep for '+' at linestarts you'll get what i actually ~added~
1167622;1434638017;mircea_popescu;i know how diffs work omg
1167623;1434638019;asciilifeform;(summary: not much)
1167624;1434638029;asciilifeform;^ pointing out for n00bs mainly
1167625;1434638035;asciilifeform;rather than mircea_popescu & co
1167626;1434638078;*;asciilifeform is sorta imagining a 'studio audience' of folks who might actually consider using 0.5.3.next on the battlefield, pending some actual clarification of wtf we did to it
1167627;1434638106;*;lobbes is a member of said audience
1167628;1434638114;asciilifeform;there we go
1167629;1434638212;pete_dushenski;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-18/ex-u-s-agent-charged-with-pocketing-bitcoins-reaches-plea-deal << shaun bridges (not to be confoozed with carl mark force) pleads guilty to silk road thefts
1167630;1434638213;assbot;Ex-U.S. Agent Charged With Bitcoin Theft to Plead Guilty - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhqDJS )
1167631;1434638227;asciilifeform;my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)
1167632;1434638245;asciilifeform;then will see what obstacle, if any, remains to a static+uclibc build.
1167633;1434638272;asciilifeform;if this can be had, result will become part of a 'buildroot' for pogo with swap-enabled.
1167634;1434638312;asciilifeform;(now that we appear to have bounded memory footprint, adding swap is no longer 'slowing death' but 'slow life')
1167635;1434638347;asciilifeform;caveat: i cannot now say ~when~ i will do this experiment.
1167636;1434638362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00046916 = 18.6491 BTC [+] {3} 
1167637;1434638364;asciilifeform;so if anyone would like to do it first, please go, do.
1167638;1434638439;mircea_popescu;aha.
1167639;1434638545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00047031 = 9.3121 BTC [+]
1167640;1434638691;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: buildroot?
1167641;1434638705;asciilifeform;aha
1167642;1434638708;asciilifeform;!s buildroot
1167643;1434638709;assbot;90 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot
1167644;1434638717;thestringpuller;ty
1167645;1434638728;asciilifeform;see also therealbitcoin mailinglist
1167646;1434638755;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev
1167647;1434638800;*;asciilifeform bbl
1167648;1434638924;jurov;i planned to look to the patches.. then eulora came out
1167649;1434638995;mircea_popescu;oops.
1167650;1434639115;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/FAv6VdV.png
1167651;1434639116;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SrBNNt )
1167652;1434639152;jurov;orly, google did it?
1167653;1434639363;fluffypony;http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/lego-promoting-unrealistic-body-image-2015061899397
1167654;1434639364;assbot;Lego ‘promoting unrealistic body image’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lhthzk )
1167655;1434639433;*;pete_dushenski goes to stock up on 'pre-fairness' legos
1167656;1434639519;*;pete_dushenski comes back, sees that fluffypony was joking. breathes sweet sigh of relief.
1167657;1434639541;fluffypony;:-P
1167658;1434639549;pete_dushenski;not that a healthy stash of lego would hurt
1167659;1434639615;jurov;only if you walk barefoot
1167660;1434640126;mircea_popescu;o yeah, used to get my mother all the  time.
1167661;1434640131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0004582 = 14.8915 BTC [-] {2} 
1167662;1434640436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00047031 = 5.1734 BTC [+]
1167663;1434640440;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <--  c) missed a chance to exercise imagination (use it or lose it)
1167664;1434640440;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
1167665;1434640725;scoopbot_revived;The problem of the state. http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state/
1167666;1434640881;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <--  amputations you mean?
1167667;1434640881;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
1167668;1434640887;funkenstein_;whoops wrong paste
1167669;1434640892;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.
1167670;1434640903;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167616  <--  amputations you mean?
1167671;1434640903;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 14:32:03; asciilifeform: incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?
1167672;1434641064;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: 10k piece ?! sweet baby jeebus that a big one.
1167673;1434641097;pete_dushenski;but hey, lego isn't so different from any other organisation : it scales poorly
1167674;1434641148;*;mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction
1167675;1434641160;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what some jerk thought he would do if he had your toy ?
1167676;1434641200;mircea_popescu;cue kid come visiting, "hey, is that the car ???" pointing at a yellow futuristic looking bridge with some wheels attached
1167677;1434641228;pete_dushenski;is that kid gavin ?
1167678;1434641247;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: nvm 3k was normal star destroyer 8k for super star destroyer
1167679;1434641260;mircea_popescu;lol no, razvan
1167680;1434641344;pete_dushenski;the permutations and combinations that even 3k pieces would give you is pretty awe inspiring
1167681;1434641351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7037 @ 0.00047031 = 3.3096 BTC [+]
1167682;1434641371;mircea_popescu;heh apparently it doesn't exist anymore.
1167683;1434641388;pete_dushenski;moral being : don't blame the mice who made the doodles
1167684;1434641405;pete_dushenski;lego is that one toy that works like it says it will on the box
1167685;1434641435;pete_dushenski;nearly indestructible pieces, endless mixable and matchable between sets
1167686;1434641477;pete_dushenski;give alf a decade or two and we'll have fpga's this useable
1167687;1434641495;pete_dushenski;*endlessly
1167688;1434641500;mircea_popescu;i'd give him anything else rather than decades.
1167689;1434641527;pete_dushenski;lol how about butan rocket
1167690;1434641571;mircea_popescu;too much like a penis.
1167691;1434641620;pete_dushenski;too many nerve endings eh
1167692;1434641656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10397 @ 0.0004499 = 4.6776 BTC [-] {2} 
1167693;1434641900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00043725 = 6.0791 BTC [-]
1167694;1434642144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00043548 = 18.8563 BTC [-] {2} 
1167695;1434642693;funkenstein_;so it will be with a whimper, and not with a bang then?
1167696;1434642811;mircea_popescu;!up nanashi_
1167697;1434642830;nanashi_;Could I make an inquiry about BitBet's Freeseas Bet? The first three of the last four bets were "No" bets, so they should not be refunded (though it seems it's too late...).
1167698;1434642917;mircea_popescu;link ?
1167699;1434642933;nanashi_;https://bitbet.us/bet/1155/freeseas-inc-nasdaq-free-will-trade-at-least-0-10/
1167700;1434642934;assbot;BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.26 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No | closed 10 hours 21 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1J62PZ7 )
1167701;1434643059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00043452 = 5.6922 BTC [-] {2} 
1167702;1434643059;nanashi_;Should I speak at "mircea_popescu tab" (which is (I think) more private?)
1167703;1434643076;mircea_popescu;i do not know you. we can't talk privately for this reason.
1167704;1434643107;nanashi_;ok.
1167705;1434643288;nanashi_;Am I talking to a right person (about Freeseas bet inquiry), mircea_popescu?
1167706;1434643300;mircea_popescu;nanashi_ havin' it looked into, a sec.
1167707;1434643457;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1167708;1434643458;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.56, Best ask: 250.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 250.51, 24 hour volume: 30185.22252203, 24 hour low: 243.0, 24 hour high: 253.7, 24 hour vwap: None
1167709;1434643609;nanashi_;I am "143Cz" better. I know I lost the bet, but I'm surprised the later three bets (which were all "No") were refunded (which they should not).
1167710;1434643852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00045034 = 6.2611 BTC [+]
1167711;1434643922;mircea_popescu;myeah. mod dropped teh ball, an' as a result im out a coupla bitcoins now.
1167712;1434643926;mircea_popescu;nanashi_ thanks for pointing it out.
1167713;1434643958;nanashi_;you're welcome...
1167714;1434644218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00045034 = 5.4941 BTC [+]
1167715;1434644234;nanashi_;I was envious of the later three "No" betters (refunded), I'm sorry!!
1167716;1434644312;mircea_popescu;lol
1167717;1434644313;scoopbot_revived;Shaun Bridges Pleads Guilty to Silk Road Theft http://qntra.net/2015/06/shaun-bridges-pleads-guilty-to-silk-road-theft/
1167718;1434644462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19778 @ 0.00045043 = 8.9086 BTC [+]
1167719;1434644489;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting
1167720;1434644489;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
1167721;1434644510;mircea_popescu;but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.
1167722;1434644571;mircea_popescu;and in no case can people who aren't even aware of this hard requirement for hard forks be regarded as anything but the bumbling imbeciles discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/ entry i.
1167723;1434644572;assbot;Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J65Qsf )
1167724;1434644717;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167394 << it wasn't ever 21 precisely, the asymptote is somewhat under that.
1167725;1434644717;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 07:09:26; danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins
1167726;1434644787;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167403 << there's no reason to stick with the old unix time convention. bitcoin time, starts at block 0.
1167727;1434644787;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 07:17:21; danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid
1167728;1434644801;mircea_popescu;everyone can just throw out their old computers. not like they're useful or anything.
1167729;1434644875;danielpbarron;sure, but block zero would still have the old unix time stamp in it, or else it wouldn't be valid, right?
1167730;1434644988;mircea_popescu;if you hardfork you hardfork.
1167731;1434645012;jurov;that would mean bitcoin's -1th block was at 1970-01-01 :D
1167732;1434645022;mircea_popescu;lol
1167733;1434645055;mircea_popescu;a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.
1167734;1434645060;mircea_popescu;which is why it's best left alone.
1167735;1434645316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00045114 = 25.4443 BTC [+] {2} 
1167736;1434645372;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ? << I think the Foundation will have one, and I'll run a separate one of my own I'm sure.
1167737;1434645393;mircea_popescu;im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one
1167738;1434645400;mircea_popescu;will sign their ips too.
1167739;1434645428;mod6;cool!
1167740;1434646396;mats;https://youtu.be/0pebP891V0c
1167741;1434646397;assbot;A reimplementation of NetBSD using a MicroKernel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0LO19 )
1167742;1434646597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13822 @ 0.00045401 = 6.2753 BTC [+]
1167743;1434646767;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting << Shouldn't it just roll over, no hardfork required?
1167744;1434646767;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
1167745;1434647114;BingoBoingo;By combining 32 bit time and blockheight a hardford should be entirely unneccessary to deal with this. Can be handled in the bitcoin daemon
1167746;1434647425;jurov;what if... someone mines such a hash that it loops back to genesis block?
1167747;1434647695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00046147 = 9.5063 BTC [+]
1167748;1434647718;danielpbarron;the timestamp is just used to figured out the difficulty
1167749;1434647742;danielpbarron;i don't think it would invalidate things if two blocks had the same timestamp
1167750;1434647751;danielpbarron;afaik, it has come close to happening already
1167751;1434647783;danielpbarron;and it's a somewhat frequent occurence for the blocks to get mined "out of order" where the higher block height has a lower timestamp
1167752;1434647963;punkman;why is timestamp used for difficulty?
1167753;1434648014;punkman;oh never mind
1167754;1434648182;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1167755;1434648190;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state << endnote iii 'sorely equipped' --> 'sorely underequipped' ?
1167756;1434648191;assbot;The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1er74Sd )
1167757;1434648191;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1167758;1434648456;ascii_field;and http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state/#comment-114562
1167759;1434648457;assbot;The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd2BhZ )
1167760;1434648645;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167674 << soviet lego clone did not come with book
1167761;1434648645;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 15:25:48; *: mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction
1167762;1434648651;ascii_field;afaik
1167763;1434648830;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167721 << at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ?
1167764;1434648830;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 16:21:50; mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.
1167765;1434648872;ascii_field;*at what level does it no longer
1167766;1434649205;ascii_field;in fact, even if nothing is visibly changed, a sane rewrite is in fact arguably a hard fork
1167767;1434649220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00046147 = 6.3683 BTC [+]
1167768;1434649227;ascii_field;(see the old thread re: a hypothetical ada/spark bitcoind)
1167769;1434649361;mats;three cheers for open sores
1167770;1434649415;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167733 << doing this sanely - which is to say, more or less precisely as i described - is neither quick, nor especially pleasant, nor remunerative. i fail to see why it would ever happen at all...
1167771;1434649415;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 16:30:55; mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.
1167772;1434649509;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167737 << if i omitted anything from the list of 'what remains' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167631 ), everyone is invited to comment...
1167773;1434649509;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one
1167774;1434649509;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 14:37:07; asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)
1167775;1434650112;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1167776;1434650196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00046373 = 12.2425 BTC [+] {2} 
1167777;1434650413;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WQ6lgZ9Aw
1167778;1434650414;assbot;Tank with GoPro ambush in Syrian War battle field - Street fighting scene MBT - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MP8yAa )
1167779;1434651904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00045953 = 41.4496 BTC [-] {3} 
1167780;1434652112;diametric;mircea_popescu: around?
1167781;1434653519;danielpbarron;!up referredbyqntra
1167782;1434653551;diametric;;;later tell mircea_popescu my bitcoin isp server and ikvm went offline about 15 minutes ago. wondering if its just an outage or something else going on.
1167783;1434653551;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1167784;1434653734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20322 @ 0.00045801 = 9.3077 BTC [-]
1167785;1434654263;mircea_popescu;diametric aite looking into it.
1167786;1434654280;diametric;cool thanks
1167787;1434654302;mircea_popescu;ascii_field aye.
1167788;1434654414;mircea_popescu;diametric apparently you're getting ~14gbps worth of random packets. it's going to come back up in the coming hours as it's being mitigated.
1167789;1434654423;diametric;whoa
1167790;1434654429;diametric;yay for ddos
1167791;1434654451;diametric;possible to get a sample capture?
1167792;1434654458;mircea_popescu;ima see.
1167793;1434654710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00045034 = 6.8452 BTC [-]
1167794;1434654739;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's unlikely it'll roll over without complaint. for one thing what's 0xFFFF - 0x0000 ? is it < 10 ?
1167795;1434654772;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1167796;1434654789;BingoBoingo;as the software is now it will likely complain, but this seems like something to be fixed in the software client rather than the block format
1167797;1434654793;ascii_field;gotta love folks who write proggies using fixint time after 'y2k'
1167798;1434654895;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ? << the fact that this question has not a good answer as of yet is perhaps the principal roadblock in the way of considering a hardfork at all.
1167799;1434654920;mircea_popescu;irrespective of any flailings of random idiots (gavin & all), there can not be a hardfork until such a time as we have an answer to that question.
1167800;1434654956;ascii_field;this is rather elementarily obvious, imho
1167801;1434654968;mircea_popescu;the obvious "because our esteemed leader says so" (which already carried, exactly once, when the versions prior to 2 were forked off) doesn't carry, as the closest to such a thing extant in bitcoin is against it.
1167802;1434654993;ascii_field;but my original point was, that if picking up the hammer of the gods, if/when the day comes, one may as well smite ~all~ the known idiocies, vs. only a subset
1167803;1434655033;mircea_popescu;moreover, there is a list of idiocies that may not be not smitten
1167804;1434655054;ascii_field;that 'fixint time' Must Die (TM) i imagine is not controversial
1167805;1434655070;mircea_popescu;it's only controversial in that most of the "participants" have nfi.
1167806;1434655073;ascii_field;(notice i did not say '32-bit time')
1167807;1434655076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3947 @ 0.00045034 = 1.7775 BTC [-]
1167808;1434655079;mircea_popescu;technically ignorance is a side to any controversy
1167809;1434655403;ascii_field;only in the sense that fleas on the dogs are contenders in the 'iditarod' races
1167810;1434655503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3541 @ 0.00044341 = 1.5701 BTC [-]
1167811;1434655564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00045137 = 7.8087 BTC [+] {3} 
1167812;1434655930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00044217 = 3.2721 BTC [-]
1167813;1434656209;jurov;well.. some databases use 'double' for the time
1167814;1434656247;jurov;with one day being == 1.0
1167815;1434656299;ascii_field;fixed bit count time field >> braindamaged
1167816;1434656446;jurov;what do you propose? ISO format?
1167817;1434656452;ascii_field;bigint
1167818;1434656491;ascii_field;(there are many ways to encode 'this is how long, and what follows is the integer itself)
1167819;1434656569;jurov;encode dates in UTF-8?
1167820;1434656569;*;jurov hides
1167821;1434656571;ascii_field;obligatory: http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html
1167822;1434656572;assbot;Erik Naggum — A Long, Painful History of Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1erxxix )
1167823;1434656601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26641 @ 0.00043894 = 11.6938 BTC [-]
1167824;1434656635;jurov;but seriously, certain experiences make me wary of using naked numbers for datetime, i always exchange stuff using ISO 8601 format and always with timezone
1167825;1434656683;jurov;the database can save them as it wants as long i can get same thing as i put in
1167826;1434656710;trinque;why's parsing a single integer more dangerous than parsing a complicated string?
1167827;1434656724;trinque;*in your view
1167828;1434656746;jurov;1. losing timezone is risky
1167829;1434656761;trinque;store as UTC with a separate tz field
1167830;1434656763;jurov;are you certain you ceonverted everything to utc?
1167831;1434656776;trinque;sure
1167832;1434656780;jurov;2. js needs to multiply the value 100x
1167833;1434656798;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1167834;1434656802;jurov;3. you can't visually check the dates looks right
1167835;1434656809;*;mircea_popescu loathes timezones.
1167836;1434656809;jurov;etc.etc.
1167837;1434656814;ascii_field;jurov: what time could you ever want that can't be recovered from epoch time ?
1167838;1434656837;jurov;i can be never sure i have put epoch time in
1167839;1434656838;ascii_field;fuck 'timezones' with red-hot poker
1167840;1434656844;trinque;mircea_popescu: I tend to ignore their existence except at the last step before display
1167841;1434656844;ascii_field;and ditto 'leap seconds' etc
1167842;1434656846;mircea_popescu;i'd rather people had to get used to the fact they a) live in shitlandia so sunrise is at 4pm and b) they're shitlords that live in the dirt and so their interests areen't being catered to
1167843;1434656852;mircea_popescu;than me having to keep changing the time.
1167844;1434656855;ascii_field;^^
1167845;1434656863;trinque;yeah, that would be much better
1167846;1434656863;mircea_popescu;fuck it, make one planet time and whoever doesn't fly enough can eat a bag of dicks.
1167847;1434656876;ascii_field;earth time.
1167848;1434656888;mircea_popescu;timezone is about as braindamaged as "colorsmell"
1167849;1434656889;jurov;i have put a code in coinbr that checks for mandatory timezones and pops an excpetion otherwise
1167850;1434656896;jurov;and it saved my ass several times
1167851;1434656928;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'colorsmell' << as in what lsd users get ?
1167852;1434656972;mircea_popescu;yeh
1167853;1434656975;mircea_popescu;synestupidia.
1167854;1434656998;ascii_field;'gmt' exists
1167855;1434657004;ascii_field;but probably not what mircea_popescu had in mind
1167856;1434657050;mircea_popescu;bbl
1167857;1434657057;nubbins`;have never smelled colour on lsd
1167858;1434657084;ascii_field;nubbins`: but what of the opposite, the colour of a smell ?
1167859;1434657087;nubbins`;smelled ozone yesterday while shorting the control panel on a 240V conveyor dryer o.O
1167860;1434657091;trinque;yeah, my perception of the various senses gets diddled to the extreme, but they have never mixed
1167861;1434657114;nubbins`;ascii_field nothing nearly as organized as that :D
1167862;1434657167;nubbins`;salvia divinorum is way more likely to induce synesthesia anyway
1167863;1434657199;nubbins`;unfortunately mp just left so he is unable to inform us that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending to be hallucinating
1167864;1434657206;nubbins`;or w/e it was :D
1167865;1434657227;*;nubbins` suspects mp was sold oregano as a kid and smoked it
1167866;1434657292;mats;i vaguely remember mp being stoned a few months ago
1167867;1434657299;ascii_field;iirc there exist 'true hallucinogens' where the user retains not a shred of doubt that the hallucinated sensations correspond to reality; and a 'false' kind, where there is doubt, and to which most extant hallucinogenic dope falls into
1167868;1434657310;mats;something about the stuff being stronger than last decade or w.e
1167869;1434657311;ascii_field;but having never accessed either personally, i cannot comment
1167870;1434657324;trinque;nubbins`: salvia is a hell of a drug
1167871;1434657330;nubbins`;+oo
1167872;1434657333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00043856 = 6.381 BTC [-]
1167873;1434657366;nubbins`;ascii_field "jimson weed" (datura) hallucinations are generally interpreted as being genuine
1167874;1434657380;nubbins`;i.e. user does not feel impaired but will imagine cigarettes, people, etc
1167875;1434657394;ascii_field;i also recall that the 'true hallucinogens' are generally taken once and 'wtf why did i do that'
1167876;1434657399;nubbins`;trip reports for that shit on Erowid.org were always fun to read
1167877;1434657400;nubbins`;yup.
1167878;1434657409;nubbins`;most of the stories end in the hospital or the police station
1167879;1434657410;trinque;I've heard terrible things about datura
1167880;1434657436;nubbins`;people trying to sell drugs to toilets, etc
1167881;1434657469;mats;all i did was walk around naked
1167882;1434657472;mats;that sounds more fun
1167883;1434657475;nubbins`;sounds very un-fun
1167884;1434657498;nubbins`;LSD, psilocybin etc more "augment" things than anything else
1167885;1434657577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30762 @ 0.00044171 = 13.5879 BTC [+] {2} 
1167886;1434657796;trinque;nubbins`: I tend to think of LSD as abstract-reasoning overdrive serum
1167887;1434657855;ascii_field;trinque: there is apparently ample record of folks using very small (a few microgram) doses precisely this way
1167888;1434657884;trinque;ascii_field: yep, too much and your brain becomes useless, multicolored mush
1167889;1434657917;ascii_field;trinque: always wanted to try this, but never came close to accessing the dope
1167890;1434657926;nubbins`;SWIM definitely took a half-tab and attended math class more than once at uni
1167891;1434657935;mats;lol
1167892;1434657941;nubbins`;ascii_field dark markets offer impossibly reliable plausible deniability
1167893;1434657956;ascii_field;nubbins`: l0l at morons having dope mailed to their postbox
1167894;1434657962;trinque;^
1167895;1434657970;mats;pick up a reagent kit if you're going to do that
1167896;1434657973;ascii_field;and lacking own gas chromatograph to see precisely what is in
1167897;1434657974;nubbins`;ascii_field you realize that i could mail dope to your mailbox today, yes?
1167898;1434657979;mats;actually, that should go without saying
1167899;1434657987;ascii_field;nubbins`: i check it every day, for some reason no dope...
1167900;1434658004;nubbins`;and if one day the dope shows up... what crime did you commit?
1167901;1434658006;ascii_field;and no invitations from chinese emperor
1167902;1434658010;nubbins`;owning a mailbox?
1167903;1434658021;ascii_field;nubbins`: the crime of being nominated for police watch while checking mail
1167904;1434658031;ascii_field;the mayor of the town where i live had this set up for him
1167905;1434658036;ascii_field;they machine-gunned his dogs
1167906;1434658041;nubbins`;o.O
1167907;1434658057;ascii_field;aha. some bozo (opponent?) mailed him a fat crate of dope
1167908;1434658063;nubbins`;so you take package from mailbox and lay it on your table for an hour.
1167909;1434658064;ascii_field;and tipped off the police prior
1167910;1434658070;ascii_field;they sat, watched
1167911;1434658090;mats;thats brilliant
1167912;1434658110;nubbins`;also, fat crate of dope != lsd
1167913;1434658118;ascii_field;sure.
1167914;1434658146;nubbins`;SWIM had to retrieve from garbage once due to extreme stealth on part of seller
1167915;1434658153;ascii_field;fits in the comma at the end of a printed sentence. but for actual scientific self-experimentation a la alex shulgin one needs ~known~ dose
1167916;1434658162;ascii_field;not simply 'this is a postage stamp with some amount of lsd'
1167917;1434658166;*;nubbins` nods
1167918;1434658177;nubbins`;vials of pure liquid are less common nowadays
1167919;1434658187;nubbins`;tho still available
1167920;1434658195;ascii_field;no 'dark'-anything will ever sell you a known amount of whatever.
1167921;1434658201;*;nubbins` shrugs
1167922;1434658203;nubbins`;if you say
1167923;1434658207;ascii_field;it's a strictly 'wot' sort of affair
1167924;1434658211;ascii_field;like buying plutonium
1167925;1434658236;nubbins`;what, you think i pop online and choose a random vendor each time? :D
1167926;1434658302;ascii_field;nubbins`: unless vendor is also the producer (this is, as i understand, uncommon for opsec reasons) you in fact ~are~ 'choosing random'
1167927;1434658413;*;nubbins` throws hands in air
1167928;1434658425;nubbins`;drugs are cut by dealer, not distributor
1167929;1434658466;ascii_field;nubbins`: lsd is unstable in solution. and so it would stand to reason that it is parceled out to the 'stamps' where produced.
1167930;1434658475;ascii_field;but i cannot say for certain.
1167931;1434658537;mats;unstable in all forms
1167932;1434658579;nubbins`;"As a salt, in water, cold, and free from air and light exposure, it is stable indefinitely."
1167933;1434658587;nubbins`;^ from tihkal
1167934;1434658608;ascii_field;originally sold (by sandoz) in, iirc, ampules.
1167935;1434658614;mats;hmm
1167936;1434658618;nubbins`;clear glass ones
1167937;1434658620;nubbins`;!up ascii_field
1167938;1434658633;nubbins`;UV light destroys it in short order
1167939;1434658666;nubbins`;my understanding is that crystal is dissolved in solution by producer, then laid by distributors, but i'm sure there are as many arrangements as producers and distributors
1167940;1434658693;nubbins`;SWIM's source says they receive crystal and lay their own blotters, but as you say -- who knows?
1167941;1434658705;nubbins`;short of sending some to a lab, all we have is subjective commentary
1167942;1434658753;nubbins`;the original SR had an lsd review team w/ access to a lab
1167943;1434658762;nubbins`;regularly tested tabs and posted analysis
1167944;1434658765;mats;the most common arrangement i've seen is a solution of everclear and lsd
1167945;1434658779;ascii_field;<nubbins`> regularly tested tabs and posted analysis << they aren't in my wot...
1167946;1434658798;nubbins`;this is true. they're in mine, tho :D
1167947;1434658840;nubbins`;https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml
1167948;1434658841;assbot;Erowid Online Books : "TIHKAL" - #26 LSD-25 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li2Qtf )
1167949;1434658845;nubbins`;related reading for the curious
1167950;1434658854;*;ascii_field owns the dead tree of 'pihkal' and 'tihkal'
1167951;1434658871;nubbins`;oooooo
1167952;1434658886;nubbins`;LSD-25 is (i think) the only substance that doesn't include qualitative comments
1167953;1434658908;nubbins`;with the excuse given that there are plenty already and it would be absurd to cherry-pick a handful of his own
1167954;1434658913;ascii_field;aha
1167955;1434658948;*;ascii_field often wonders if he's the only man alive to have 1) read the books 2) wanted to taste the items described therein 3) could not
1167956;1434658972;nubbins`;nope.
1167957;1434658988;punkman;I'd say that holds for the majority of readers
1167958;1434658991;nubbins`;i read he was really into cacti in his later years
1167959;1434658994;nubbins`;died recently iirc
1167960;1434659014;ascii_field;punkman: i suspect that the majority of readers ~could~ obtain at least one or two of the items found in the pages
1167961;1434659019;nubbins`;hoffman famously lived to the ripe age of 102
1167962;1434659035;ascii_field;died last year, i think
1167963;1434659050;nubbins`;ascii_field didn't we just establish that you could taste these things but choose not to? :D
1167964;1434659060;ascii_field;nubbins`: i could taste mystery meat
1167965;1434659069;ascii_field;but why would i want to do that.
1167966;1434659079;nubbins`;that's why you buy from a website instead of a street dealer
1167967;1434659091;nubbins`;purchase LSD on the street and i almost guarantee you'll be purchasing an NBOMe
1167968;1434659111;nubbins`;purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?
1167969;1434659113;ascii_field;wake me up when they're in my wot, and not opsec-retarded
1167970;1434659122;*;nubbins` roughly shakes ascii_field 
1167971;1434659123;nubbins`;WAKE UP
1167972;1434659127;punkman;I was recently shown a website that sold legal LSD analogues via credit card
1167973;1434659142;nubbins`;remember RAC research?
1167974;1434659149;ascii_field;'analogues' l0l
1167975;1434659157;ascii_field;in usa actually we have an 'analogues act'
1167976;1434659165;ascii_field;specifically for folks like this
1167977;1434659166;nubbins`;^
1167978;1434659170;nubbins`;https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2026
1167979;1434659171;assbot;Culture - DEA arrests most Research Chemical vendors under the name 'Operation Web tryp' - Drugs Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li3nvj )
1167980;1434659181;ascii_field;^ more than one such, even
1167981;1434659189;nubbins`;i had always wondered if those research chem sites were legit
1167982;1434659191;nubbins`;turns out they were :P
1167983;1434659218;ascii_field;so legit they helpfully kept records of all names...
1167984;1434659230;nubbins`;8)
1167985;1434659246;nubbins`;;;google JLF poisonous non-consumables arrest
1167986;1434659247;gribble;Arresting Vendors of Grey Market Psychoactives - Psychonaut: <http://www.psychonaut.com/blog/35786-arresting-vendors-grey-market-psychoactives.html>; The Strange Case of Mark Niemoeller | Alternet: <http://www.alternet.org/story/12393/the_strange_case_of_mark_niemoeller>; Erowid Research Chemical Vault : Not in Kansas Anymore...: (1 more message)
1167987;1434659287;punkman;nubbins`: did you ever try AL-LAD?
1167988;1434659371;nubbins`;haven't had the pleasure
1167989;1434659407;ascii_field;until we have a way of dematerializing physical objects and reconstituting them in a remote place without traceable motion in-between, like bits, pretty much everyone who is willing to be involved on the supply side of dope economy is retarded
1167990;1434659408;nubbins`;extracted LSA once
1167991;1434659412;ascii_field;because it selects for this
1167992;1434659418;ascii_field;just like bitcoin-fiat exchanges!
1167993;1434659426;nubbins`;ascii_field that's why we're on the demand side, not the supply side
1167994;1434659431;nubbins`;it's a win-win situation for the purchaser
1167995;1434659450;thestringpuller;ascii_field: okay what is your rationale on this?
1167996;1434659456;ascii_field;dealing with the retarded is - at the very least - very foolish.
1167997;1434659468;punkman;nubbins`: depends on location
1167998;1434659473;ascii_field;thestringpuller: see thread ?
1167999;1434659484;nubbins`;punkman the minimum requirement is that the supplier be located in your country.
1168000;1434659508;nubbins`;it is simply not feasible to discover LSD in domestic mail
1168001;1434659546;ascii_field;nubbins`: it is equally difficult to discover what in particular you actually got in that mail.
1168002;1434659565;thestringpuller;ascii_field: i've been following it you never really clarified why the supply side is specifically retarded unless I missed that line?
1168003;1434659577;nubbins`;ascii_field an open marketplace ensures the substance, if not the dosage.
1168004;1434659601;scoopbot_revived;France Issues Humor Related Travel Warning For Visitors to the United States http://qntra.net/2015/06/france-issues-humor-related-travel-warning-for-visitors-to-the-united-states/
1168005;1434659639;nubbins`;ascii_field besides, let's say you know the dosage down to the ug. What difference does that make?
1168006;1434659648;nubbins`;person x will react differently than person y to the same dose.
1168007;1434659654;kakobrekla;ascii_field i think nubbins` volunteers to be your test subject
1168008;1434659666;nubbins`;so your tabs are 150ug instead of 200ug.
1168009;1434659669;*;nubbins` waves hands dramatically
1168010;1434659676;ascii_field;nubbins`: can then say 'i took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i took 500 and learned that thirty-three is purple'
1168011;1434659697;nubbins`;ascii_field the sensible thing is to purchase a ten-strip, start low and see what happens.
1168012;1434659697;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1168013;1434659698;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EAMJVC.txt )
1168014;1434659711;nubbins`;coincidentally, this is the same procedure used when dealing with a known quantity.
1168015;1434659717;ascii_field;how the hell do you even know which end of the strip is 'low' ?!
1168016;1434659726;nubbins`;heh.
1168017;1434659730;nubbins`;i mean start with a low dose
1168018;1434659736;nubbins`;like, say, a half tab.
1168019;1434659744;nubbins`;didn't work so well? you have 9.5 remaining
1168020;1434659749;nubbins`;try a full one
1168021;1434659760;ascii_field;and if you want same thing again ?
1168022;1434659770;nubbins`;take another half!
1168023;1434659770;ascii_field;pray to god to send you the same concentration of strip ?
1168024;1434659796;punkman;ideally you'd want a properly diluted solution and a dropper
1168025;1434659815;nubbins`;ascii_field well, after your TWENTY half-hit trips, you'd probably buy another ten-strip and start the process over again.
1168026;1434659843;nubbins`;do you suppose you'd want to do this more than 20 times?
1168027;1434659851;ascii_field;suppose.
1168028;1434659866;nubbins`;so the next time, get the same vendor to sell you 50.
1168029;1434659873;ascii_field;and repeat same circus again ?
1168030;1434659882;mats;its always going to be a gamble
1168031;1434659889;mats;laying LSD is not an exact process
1168032;1434659892;nubbins`;"circus" = taking a small dose, yes
1168033;1434659896;ascii_field;would you tolerate this with coffee? booze ?
1168034;1434659897;mats;if you want to measure dosage, get liquid
1168035;1434659910;nubbins`;ascii_field if otherwise unavailable, yes.
1168036;1434659914;*;nubbins` points to moonshine
1168037;1434659919;mats;people already tolerate this with coffee, caffeine tablets are a more reasonable alternative, right
1168038;1434659934;nubbins`;people DO already tolerate it with coffee
1168039;1434659939;nubbins`;cigarettes, marijuana, birthday cake...
1168040;1434659962;ascii_field;the caffeine in the weakest and strongest cup of coffee does not vary by orders of magnitude.
1168041;1434659966;nubbins`;imagine the burden, though, of having to eat like 2 hits of LSD to figure out an appropriate dose for the other 48.
1168042;1434659968;nubbins`;the horror!
1168043;1434659988;nubbins`;ascii_field the LSD from a single vendor doesn't vary by orders of magnitude either
1168044;1434659996;nubbins`;in my wot-based experience, anyway ;p
1168045;1434660010;nubbins`;20ug vs 200? might as well sell blank paper.
1168046;1434660018;nubbins`;2000ug instead of 200? business: you're doing it wrong
1168047;1434660048;ascii_field;nubbins`: how much blank paper have you eaten so far ?
1168048;1434660064;nubbins`;none
1168049;1434660084;nubbins`;single-purchase customers does not a business make
1168050;1434660120;nubbins`;it's much more lucrative to sell what's advertised
1168051;1434660121;*;ascii_field wonders why nubbins` is publicly begging lizard hitler to order his mail opened and tested
1168052;1434660139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117700 @ 0.00045003 = 52.9685 BTC [+] {4} 
1168053;1434660140;mats;lol
1168054;1434660147;*;nubbins` wonders why alf is paralyzed by imaginary chains of inaction
1168055;1434660154;ascii_field;because they are not imaginary.
1168056;1434660160;*;nubbins` nods
1168057;1434660162;nubbins`;gotcha
1168058;1434660163;ascii_field;see earlier re: the mayor.
1168059;1434660172;ascii_field;and he didn't even ~ask~ for the dope
1168060;1434660182;ascii_field;picture if i spoke here of having asked for it.
1168061;1434660191;thestringpuller;the crack smoking mayor of toronto?
1168062;1434660199;ascii_field;(that's the root misconception behind the pseudolegalism of 'it is not forbidden to receive dope in the mail')
1168063;1434660206;nubbins`;listen, i can't do anything about the fact that your police regularly kill innocent people
1168064;1434660245;nubbins`;all i'm saying is that you absolutely, 100%, can purchase drugs online safely
1168065;1434660268;ascii_field;i don't doubt that when the time comes, they will find a watertight reason to demolish my house, with me in it, in the middle of the night
1168066;1434660278;ascii_field;but they will have to do better than 'bought dope on shit road'
1168067;1434660283;nubbins`;so take a trip before your number gets called.
1168068;1434660295;nubbins`;!up ag3nt_zer0
1168069;1434660297;nubbins`;welcome
1168070;1434660303;nubbins`;brb
1168071;1434660348;ag3nt_zer0;nubbis`: thanks
1168072;1434660366;ag3nt_zer0;Nubbins`: thanks
1168073;1434660457;nubbins`;!up ascii_field
1168074;1434660526;ag3nt_zer0;sorry ahead of time for the remedialism... so I attempted to encrypt my first txt by following this: gpg –output [message.txt.gpg] –encrypt –recipient [your@friend.org] [message.txt]... however, this is what I got...  usage: gpg [options] [filename] - any advice would be welcome...?
1168075;1434660799;nubbins`;ag3nt_zer0 try --option instead of -option?
1168076;1434660804;nubbins`;e.g. --output etc
1168077;1434660827;nubbins`;some related lore, for those interested: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1427364
1168078;1434660828;assbot;The "THUMBPRINT" - The Pub - Shroomery Message Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li6d3C )
1168079;1434660856;shinohai;And of course ensure that you have your friend's key imported
1168080;1434661452;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: am I attempting the impossible by just trying to encrypt it to my own key and send to myself for a check?
1168081;1434661513;shinohai;try sending it to me: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE33585713E184252
1168082;1434661514;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0xe33585713e184252 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRIF28 )
1168083;1434662043;ag3nt_zer0;nubbins: thanks the double dash worked
1168084;1434662084;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: i got somewhere but it says "there is no assurance this key belongs to the named user"
1168085;1434662116;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: that's because marking the key as certainly your friend's key is something you do, and something you shouldn't do casually
1168086;1434662123;shinohai;That's normal. It just means you can't know *for sure* it is me unless I give you the key in person.
1168087;1434662133;shinohai;>.>
1168088;1434662194;shinohai;!up ag3nt_zer0
1168089;1434662248;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: gpg: can't open `gpgmessage.txt': No such file or directory
1168090;1434662275;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167669 <<< i always thought the pirate ship was lego's piece de resistance
1168091;1434662275;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 15:21:32; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.
1168092;1434662291;shinohai;So you make a text file, call it gpgmessage.txt (or whatever) and save it
1168093;1434662302;ag3nt_zer0;yes
1168094;1434662395;ag3nt_zer0;do I need to put the path in there? after --output?
1168095;1434662449;shinohai;yes or cd to the absolute path
1168096;1434662456;ag3nt_zer0;ok duh
1168097;1434662467;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/3TTaw.jpg  [asset of the day]
1168098;1434662468;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRJLed )
1168099;1434662684;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: did you receive?
1168100;1434662701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82850 @ 0.00045603 = 37.7821 BTC [+] {2} 
1168101;1434662831;cazalla;shinohai, bit mousy looking but nice
1168102;1434662878;shinohai;Yeah cazalla a bit of a butterface but for dat ass I'll make exceptions.
1168103;1434662884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13054 @ 0.00044821 = 5.8509 BTC [-]
1168104;1434663106;cazalla;ah i think she's attractive, just has that mousy look.. no cocks either! maybe mp could learn a thing or two from you :P
1168105;1434663311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00046682 = 19.5131 BTC [+] {3} 
1168106;1434663367;shinohai;I try to find some like mp likes, but never any girls with strike my fancy. So I guess he has monopoly on cocks
1168107;1434664043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10196 @ 0.00046673 = 4.7588 BTC [-]
1168108;1434664104;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167968 <<< ya read about that montfortRC darknet dealer who put like 12 people in the hospital with his stuff?
1168109;1434664104;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 20:25:11; nubbins`: purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?
1168110;1434664129;nubbins`;o.O
1168111;1434664168;cazalla;mind you it was roids or some shit but asciilifeform's point sorta stands.. they got mystery meat
1168112;1434664218;shinohai;Most people cba with test kits, and instead just put whatever substance they get in the mail inside them.
1168113;1434664224;funkenstein_;highly recommended on the topic: Graham Hancock's banned TED talk on the war on consciousness
1168114;1434664275;cazalla;http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3a0b0p/fuck_you_montfort_you_did_this_i_was_going_to/cs85xzo
1168115;1434664277;assbot;World177 comments on FUCK YOU MONTFORT. YOU DID THIS. I WAS GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkiGfD )
1168116;1434664335;cazalla;dealer had an assortment of mystery meats it would seem lol
1168117;1434664369;trinque;jeez
1168118;1434664374;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Don't post np links here, we don't want b-a warriors shadowbanned for brigading
1168119;1434664397;funkenstein_;guess i'm an old man, i never heard of any of those chems in that thread
1168120;1434664451;cazalla;BingoBoingo, nfi why it is even in the url, gotta sub or something?
1168121;1434664472;funkenstein_;personally i am more comfortable with darket markets than hospital pharmacies
1168122;1434664475;BingoBoingo;cazalla: The fis is deleting the np. part
1168123;1434664533;trinque;I've gambled on too many farts (and made it out ok) to keep doing so
1168124;1434664545;cazalla;on a related note.. some medical centres in australia are prescribing ketamine off label for depression
1168125;1434664547;trinque;would much rather have a sane society and an above-ground vendor of recreational chemicals
1168126;1434664555;BingoBoingo;Not to worried about it beyond people wanting to fuck with homo reddictus and getting their hate hidden
1168127;1434664556;Adlai;"provider... recognised mistake and told me he had shipped acetylfentanyl instead and apologized and agreed to send 200g of methylone for free to compensate." sounds like everything went Better Than Expectedâ„¢
1168128;1434664641;Adlai;we apologize for shipping guns which fire backwards. we will arm your next army with twice as many guns and we promise they'll shoot forwards this time!
1168129;1434664807;funkenstein_;this kind of thing is the number one cause of death in babylon, referred to as medical errors
1168130;1434664999;jurov;lol the log got..er...high
1168131;1434665480;jurov;!up ag3nt_zer0
1168132;1434665491;jurov;have you reg'd with assbot yet?
1168133;1434665500;mats;https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/330359969813770242
1168134;1434665509;ag3nt_zer0;hi, thanks jurov, no I have not
1168135;1434665515;mats;>camelcase
1168136;1434665527;ag3nt_zer0;still trying to figure out how encrypt and send a message properly
1168137;1434665563;ag3nt_zer0;does anyone have experience with gpgtools for mac?
1168138;1434665591;ag3nt_zer0;tried sending to shinohai but got a string of numbers he said were not correct looking at all
1168139;1434665648;shinohai;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DFk5bQ1g  << for reference.
1168140;1434665649;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GknnGj )
1168141;1434665674;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: thanks
1168142;1434665680;jurov;oh you forgot --armor
1168143;1434665698;jurov;by default gpg spews binary
1168144;1434665753;shinohai;That never crossed my mind for some reason.
1168145;1434665760;ag3nt_zer0;jurov: thanks. do I place that between --encrypt and --recipient?
1168146;1434665767;jurov;gpg --armor --sign --encrypt -R A179E169 < niggers.txt > encrypted.txt
1168147;1434665775;jurov;^ example
1168148;1434665775;ag3nt_zer0;haha ok
1168149;1434665820;shinohai;That's hilarious jurov because I saved a dum file earlier and named it "niggers.txt"
1168150;1434665885;jurov;!s niggers.txt
1168151;1434665886;assbot;62 results for 'niggers.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.txt
1168152;1434665934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32996 @ 0.00044821 = 14.7891 BTC [-]
1168153;1434666117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17622 @ 0.00043856 = 7.7283 BTC [-]
1168154;1434666200;*;funkenstein_ doesn't get it
1168155;1434666261;BingoBoingo;Also don't forget to set the .conf for them or you get Ferguson/Baltimore
1168156;1434666390;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: http://pastebin.com/9vPaT5ih
1168157;1434666391;assbot;-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----  Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org    hQEMA7S - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkpI3Q )
1168158;1434666469;funkenstein_;BingoBoingo, explain please
1168159;1434666492;BingoBoingo;!s niggers.conf
1168160;1434666493;assbot;2 results for 'niggers.conf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.conf
1168161;1434666521;mats;https://www.yahoo.com/style/at-the-recent-69th-annual-tony-awards-the-121675123143.html heh
1168162;1434666522;assbot;How Stars Like Cara Delevingne, Kristen Stewart, & Miley Cyrus Are Leading the Gender Fluid Movement for Millennials ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZcTSg )
1168163;1434666541;shinohai;Well ag3nt_zer0 you encrypted it woth your own key, instead of my public key
1168164;1434666545;mats;the acronym gets longer every year
1168165;1434666546;shinohai;otherwise thats it
1168166;1434666568;ag3nt_zer0;Gender Fluid? don't step in that!
1168167;1434666607;funkenstein_;one can use the word nigger to comedic value sure..
1168168;1434666617;funkenstein_;but what's the reference to fascist police action?
1168169;1434666680;ag3nt_zer0;shinohai: can you pm me?
1168170;1434666727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00043825 = 4.7988 BTC [-] {2} 
1168171;1434666885;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: niggers.conf is how you set the police. If you go with the insane defaults they tend to go a bit crazy with the oppression.
1168172;1434666967;mats;casual racism is the norm here
1168173;1434667079;funkenstein_;:D
1168174;1434667106;cazalla;it's not even really racism
1168175;1434667190;shinohai;We know there aren't any niggers here, how they going to find a school?
1168176;1434667206;funkenstein_;you mean no police here?
1168177;1434667213;mats;what?
1168178;1434667222;BingoBoingo;Most niggers are white nowadays
1168179;1434667391;jurov;i thought most whites are niggers
1168180;1434667409;jurov;or gypsies
1168181;1434667450;jurov;!up gares
1168182;1434667467;jurov;!up paxtoncamaro91_
1168183;1434667566;menahem;;;later tell mircea_popescu Your shirt is a hit, http://screencast.com/t/5Y30zCpvFu - By chance, do you have your previous header image ?  The b&w one, you pointing, looking fierce ?  I think it'd be killa on a tee.
1168184;1434667568;assbot;2015-06-19_0007 - Saucal's library ... ( http://bit.ly/1GktESh )
1168185;1434667568;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1168186;1434667825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00043779 = 13.0899 BTC [-]
1168187;1434667940;jurov;menahem pick one: http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/
1168188;1434667941;assbot;Index of /wp-content/themes/trilema/images ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZhtzS )
1168189;1434667987;menahem;yesss!  thank you jurov
1168190;1434668051;menahem;was looking for http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/bg_apr2015.jpg
1168191;1434668051;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZhT9h )
1168192;1434668069;kakobrekla;but did you actually sell any of them?
1168193;1434668158;menahem;yea 1 MP tee, then we had an order this morning for a bitpixel one
1168194;1434668266;menahem;a lil weekend job, throw it up, post some links, make some passive cash
1168195;1434668370;mats;;;view menahem
1168196;1434668370;gribble;Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
1168197;1434668386;mats;might be worth your time to put it in the -otc order book
1168198;1434668395;cazalla;for a moment i was like.. why would jurov not give qntra the scoop? http://www.coindesk.com/latin-america-coinbr-acquires-coinverse/
1168199;1434668395;assbot;CoinBR Acquires Coinverse in Latest Exchange Merger ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkwFlJ )
1168200;1434668416;menahem;mats, awesome idea, i'll look into it, ty.
1168201;1434668851;mats;https://youtu.be/f7wkRET0hbo
1168202;1434668852;assbot;RATATAT - ABRASIVE - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZkEaL )
1168203;1434669186;trinque;mats: ooh another single... ty
1168204;1434669350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43586 @ 0.00043624 = 19.014 BTC [-] {3} 
1168205;1434669746;trinque;!up ag3nt_zer0
1168206;1434669768;ag3nt_zer0;ty
1168207;1434669772;trinque;yw
1168208;1434669797;ag3nt_zer0;!register <F91576C7>
1168209;1434669797;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1168210;1434669806;mats;https://soundcloud.com/wknd/chet-faker-x-wknd-lover
1168211;1434669807;assbot;Chet Faker x SAINT WKND - Lover by SAINT WKND | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZo0KN )
1168212;1434669838;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: gpg --list-keys --fingerprint your@email.com
1168213;1434669953;ag3nt_zer0;!register <E3A4 9054 7D5E 8A59 0A56  08B0 C31C B3DF F915 76C7>
1168214;1434669953;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1168215;1434669982;trinque;closer, but no <> and no spaces
1168216;1434669989;ag3nt_zer0;hehe thx
1168217;1434670023;ag3nt_zer0;!register E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7
1168218;1434670023;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7. This may take a few moments.
1168219;1434670024;assbot;Key F91576C7 / "AgentZero <liberty@tuta.io>" successfully imported.
1168220;1434670024;assbot;Registration successful.
1168221;1434670029;ag3nt_zer0;hey!
1168222;1434670055;mats;you're a person nao
1168223;1434670063;*;trinque claps
1168224;1434670084;ag3nt_zer0;oh wow I even have a +... thought I still had to earn that!
1168225;1434670116;trinque;!gettrust ag3nt_zer0
1168226;1434670116;assbot;Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
1168227;1434670123;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: ^
1168228;1434670131;trinque;you are voiced, but that's temporary
1168229;1434670131;ag3nt_zer0;so cool... even though I a still figuring out what the hell it all means... hehe
1168230;1434670162;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: oh ok yeah I see
1168231;1434670193;trinque;!rate ag3nt_zer0 1 new blood
1168232;1434670193;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/80782cd1c926b412
1168233;1434670218;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:ff6e7d96ebfbbe7ecce6a0c6e3e4045c153184dd0283b7b2afc1437fb81ea10e
1168234;1434670219;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: new blood
1168235;1434670227;trinque;!gettrust ag3nt_zer0
1168236;1434670227;assbot;Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
1168237;1434670240;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: you may now self-voice.
1168238;1434670325;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: thanks! are those links supposed to be dead ends? all of them appear to be except this... which says user not found... http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
1168239;1434670327;assbot;WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZpODI )
1168240;1434670344;trinque;that site updates every so often
1168241;1434670349;ag3nt_zer0;ok
1168242;1434670482;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: give voicing yourself a shot
1168243;1434670489;ag3nt_zer0;well trinque, jurov, shinohai - thanks alot for your guys help today!
1168244;1434670523;ag3nt_zer0;!up ag3nt_zer0
1168245;1434670691;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: I think I got something... first I got: -assbot- Insufficient rights, ag3nt_zer0, !up yourself on PM first.
1168246;1434670693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00043419 = 23.4463 BTC [-] {4} 
1168247;1434670705;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: assbot wants you to send the up request via pm
1168248;1434670707;mats; /query assbot !up
1168249;1434670718;ag3nt_zer0;so I did this: *ag3nt_zer0* !up ag3nt_zer0
1168250;1434670746;ag3nt_zer0;and now have echoing private messages with self... is that what was supposed to happen?
1168251;1434670788;*;trinque thwacks ag3nt_zer0 with a zen stick
1168252;1434670805;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: run mats command without the space in front
1168253;1434670811;ag3nt_zer0;haha was just about to say I think I have bothered you guys enough for one day!
1168254;1434670857;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spicm13kLMk the other released song in this album
1168255;1434670858;assbot;Ratatat - Cream on Chrome - Live from Coachella, April 11, 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZro8E )
1168256;1434671509;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7uXE_lEzxI
1168257;1434671510;assbot;Live CTF v2: The Hard Reboot (Episode 2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRTS2v )
1168258;1434671710;punkman;http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-elliptic-startup-anti-money-laundering-tool-get-banks-interested-cryptocurrency-2015-6
1168259;1434671711;assbot;Bitcoin: Elliptic says its anti-money laundering tool could get banks interested in cryptocurrency - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZtPbh )
1168260;1434671730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44008 @ 0.00044599 = 19.6271 BTC [+] {2} 
1168261;1434671848;trinque;"to ascertain that their bitcoin holdings are not derived from the proceeds of crime." << hilarious
1168262;1434671856;trinque;as opposed to their fiat holdings
1168263;1434671925;punkman;yeah gotta remember how HSBC turned down all those mexicans drug dealers
1168264;1434671968;trinque;I'm sure everyone involved was punished
1168265;1434671983;trinque;customary punishment in banking circles is being buried by a dumptruck full of cash, I've heard
1168266;1434672322;menahem;lol
1168267;1434672332;menahem;this was just released http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/412/banc/rep/rep12jun15-e.pdf
1168268;1434672337;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZvI7M )
1168269;1434672354;menahem;nothing worth noting, mostly "take a hands off approach and wait"
1168270;1434674941;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168261 << hypothetical twist: whole thing is a front by chinese miners, anxious to sell certifiably 'clean' coin to gullible schmucks at a premium
1168271;1434674941;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 23:57:28; trinque: "to ascertain that their bitcoin holdings are not derived from the proceeds of crime." << hilarious
1168272;1434675233;trinque;hey, look there
1168273;1434675236;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: bravo
1168274;1434675251;ag3nt_zer0;yeah thanks to you trinque hehe
1168275;1434675266;ag3nt_zer0;5 thumbs over here haha
1168276;1434675395;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It wouldn't be the first time
1168277;1434675395;trinque;well, now you know how to make curl and gpg kiss
1168278;1434675406;trinque;inventing bullshit certifications is great business
1168279;1434675427;trinque;reminds me of hearing about someone selling licenses for open source software
1168280;1434675432;trinque;due to govt requirements
1168281;1434675509;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yes, very cool!
1168282;1434675648;asciilifeform;trinque: sco ?
1168283;1434675661;trinque;heh no, but them too
1168284;1434677874;mats;TIL GNU wdiff is a thing
1168285;1434679295;asciilifeform;http://www.underhanded-c.org << this year's winners
1168286;1434679296;assbot;The Underhanded C Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1InKdy8 )
1168287;1434679309;asciilifeform;^^^ required reading for all 'sappers'
1168288;1434679327;asciilifeform;(technically last year. this year's contest not yet began)
1168289;1434679349;asciilifeform;first place medalist is a mega-masterpiece
1168290;1434679383;BingoBoingo;^ Added to the 21 year plan
1168291;1434679395;asciilifeform;this one was nsa-themed, too
1168292;1434679414;asciilifeform;'The PiuPiu oversharing site allows users to create PiuPiu accounts and post 140-character messages. The federal government wants PiuPiu to surveil user activity on the site, by archiving any posts that match certain patterns outlined in a national security letter. Subject to the nondisclosure constraints of the letter, PiuPiu may not inform anyone of the surveillance request.'
1168293;1434679426;asciilifeform;'The underhanded goal is this: write surveil() in such a way that the act of surveillance is subtly leaked to the user or to the outside world. PiuPiu can not reveal the act of surveillance, but your function is technically able to edit the Piu or user structure during scanning. Find a way to alter that data (this alone is a bit of a challenge, since you are not supposed to alter the data, just scan it) in such a way that an i
1168294;1434679426;asciilifeform;nformed outsider can tell if someone is being archived. The leakage should be subtle enough that it is not easily noticed.'
1168295;1434681585;decimation;asciilifeform: C macros are of the devil
1168296;1434683345;ag3nt_zer0;if I were to embark on a learning journey exploring the rudiments of programming, would there be good reason to not start with C? I always like to go to the root of something I am learning, which in my ignorant guesswork I like to think C is one of those root languages, but I have heard whisperings here and there that python is the way to go... any thoughts?
1168297;1434683366;decimation;C is essentially the 'bedrock' of modern computers
1168298;1434683393;decimation;unless you want to make your own computing machine I suggest learning bedrock
1168299;1434683394;ag3nt_zer0;haha ok
1168300;1434683423;mats;on the subject of timezones
1168301;1434683433;mats;am confuse about why London is GMT+1
1168302;1434683439;mats;\o/
1168303;1434683440;decimation;daylight savings
1168304;1434683442;decimation;just like here
1168305;1434683454;mats;oh, that explains it.
1168306;1434683469;decimation;to make things stupid they also go on daylight savings at different calendar days than we do
1168307;1434683523;decimation;also GMT is kinda outdated, the new thing is french UTC
1168308;1434683707;mats;ic
1168309;1434683779;funkenstein_;mayans laughing their asses off at us
1168310;1434683843;decimation;ftp://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/buld/bulletind.124 < after the leap second, DUT1 will be +0.3s
1168311;1434684131;funkenstein_;while we're on the subject of time, i've been working on building a clock
1168312;1434684147;funkenstein_;it grabs headers from several altcoins and estimates the current time
1168313;1434684310;decimation;as I recall this was needed in the pogo
1168314;1434684333;funkenstein_;the DUT1 was needed?
1168315;1434684344;decimation;no, but some rough clock setting
1168316;1434684355;decimation;because nobody wanted to trust ntp
1168317;1434684406;BingoBoingo;<funkenstein_> it grabs headers from several altcoins and estimates the current time << The proper way to build a clock is with brass, a lathe, and a steady hand
1168318;1434684609;funkenstein_;hehe, well, i guess this is a meta clock
1168319;1434684645;funkenstein_;all it does is collect what miners have said the time is
1168320;1434684663;BingoBoingo;If you just want to count seconds on a C machine http://www.openntpd.org/ is pretty much the gold standard nao
1168321;1434684664;assbot;OpenNTPD ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2lG6N )
1168322;1434684716;decimation;funkenstein_: it would be useful if you could determine time accuracy and variance
1168323;1434684737;decimation;as well as how quickly you can acquire time
1168324;1434684744;BingoBoingo;They had to fight TimeGavin who fought their efforts to clean code and kill retardation
1168325;1434684816;funkenstein_;each coin you add increases accuracy,
1168326;1434684826;funkenstein_;but the whole thing seems somewhat pointless
1168327;1434684843;BingoBoingo;And yes, the shitgnomes fight improvement and cleanliness no matter how seemingly trivial a part of the stack janitors want to devomit
1168328;1434684866;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: And then ATC or Doge abandoment dicks your averaging effort over
1168329;1434684900;decimation;funkenstein_: the point is that you can get time without trusting anything outside verified coins
1168330;1434684910;funkenstein_;decimation, exactly
1168331;1434684953;danielpbarron;why include altcoins at all
1168332;1434684981;funkenstein_;danielpbarron, to get better than ~ 10 min. accuracy
1168333;1434684994;BingoBoingo;"coins" have insufficient entropy to be useful as a precision measure of time at all.
1168334;1434685005;decimation;don't need accuracy
1168335;1434685043;mats;precision and accuracy are different things
1168336;1434685049;BingoBoingo;If you want to measure epochs and years BTC blockheight is fine. If you want a race you want something calibrated against nuclear decay.
1168337;1434685061;BingoBoingo;More random gives you more precise time.
1168338;1434685075;BingoBoingo;Accurate time doesn't happen
1168339;1434685114;funkenstein_;one could always look at the sky
1168340;1434685116;decimation;mats: I'm aware, don't need precision either
1168341;1434685121;danielpbarron;funkenstein_, you aren't limited to just the last block
1168342;1434685170;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Timekeeping is a battle between astronomy and nuclear chemistry
1168343;1434685186;danielpbarron;could be something like the difficulty adjustment only not limited to the last 2 weeks
1168344;1434685289;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Block height is always going to to a rough measure of time due to entropy. Could make a great system for a calendar, poor for slicing up a day though
1168345;1434685348;BingoBoingo;This though is largely why OpenNTPD beats ISC NTPD http://web.archive.org/web/20050304032724/http://bradknowles.typepad.com/considered_harmful/2004/09/openntpd.html
1168346;1434685350;assbot;Considered Harmful: OpenNTPd... ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2mJnt )
1168347;1434685484;*;BingoBoingo notes that though both are prefixed with shit Shitgnomes and Shitlords are very different things.
1168348;1434685500;BingoBoingo;And are naturally opposed.
1168349;1434685574;funkenstein_;this is liable to get confusing
1168350;1434685586;BingoBoingo;Shitgnomes leave turd traps and prevent nice things. Shit lords bury gnomes in turds to highlight their wretch. Mike Hearnia is a cononical shitgnome. Theo Deraadt and alf are cononical shitlords
1168351;1434685597;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Everything is heirarchy.
1168352;1434685618;BingoBoingo;Shitgnomes try to ruin the things shit lords want to use
1168353;1434685637;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Start constructing a memory palace.
1168354;1434685670;mats;i don't understand how your link relates to why OpenNTPD is better than ISC NTPD
1168355;1434685684;mats;you are on the edge of coherence tonight
1168356;1434685749;BingoBoingo;mats: http://www.advogato.org/person/dtucker/diary/52.html << The answer sheet on the ntpd conflict
1168357;1434685750;assbot;Advogato: Blog for dtucker ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2nnBr )
1168358;1434685792;funkenstein_;when the two shitplates touch:  shitquake
1168359;1434685843;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1168360;1434686113;BingoBoingo;Eventually such a shitquake will happen such that we start printing upclocked Z80 processors on a 7nm process
1168361;1434686145;mats;this is too cult-y for me
1168362;1434686193;decimation;mats: I'm similiarly lost
1168363;1434686199;decimation;how many sheets to the wind are you?
1168364;1434686251;BingoBoingo;About 4 sheets
1168365;1434686475;BingoBoingo;I swear I had a solid case for OpenNTPD over ISC NTPD, but the opinions on timekeeping are kept in a treacherous antipode
1168366;1434686615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52548 @ 0.00043508 = 22.8626 BTC [-]
1168367;1434687286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23229 @ 0.00043787 = 10.1713 BTC [+]
1168368;1434687409;mats;http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a16087/beats-headphones-weighted
1168369;1434687410;assbot;Four Tiny Pieces of Metal Keep Beats Headphones From Feeling Cheap ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cgd7Os )
1168370;1434687520;mats;http://www.businessinsider.com/paid-actors-at-donald-trump-announcement-2015-6 << already creating jobs
1168371;1434687521;assbot;REPORT: Donald Trump paid actors for his 2016 announcement  - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgdfNU )
1168372;1434687564;BingoBoingo;mats: Anything work for your carpal tunnel yet? I've got an angry wrist nerve I am trying to conquer
1168373;1434687583;mats;nope
1168374;1434687594;decimation;mats: the beats thing still pisses me off
1168375;1434687612;decimation;a company like sennheiser makes actual headphones, with specifications and everything
1168376;1434687629;decimation;some dumbfucks make shit plastic and get $3bil
1168377;1434687639;mats;am seriously considering going under the knife in spite of the low chance it'll even work
1168378;1434687678;mats;decimation: about to make even more after beats store goes live
1168379;1434687694;BingoBoingo;I mashed up some naproxen with a bit of leaf from the lambs ear outside to use a a carrier. Positive effect for sure, but prolly would be better with some DMSO.
1168380;1434687726;mats;http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jun/17/kitchen-gadgets-review-ikettle-boil-phone lol
1168381;1434687727;assbot;Kitchen gadgets review: the iKettle – a world off its rocker | Life and style | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1flIH8H )
1168382;1434687741;cazalla;mats, doesn't every nominee have paid actors do that shit?
1168383;1434687761;mats;BingoBoingo: have been popping ibuprofen like candy
1168384;1434687763;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Most hide it better, a few can save some money on true believers.
1168385;1434687764;funkenstein_;decimation, look at any luxury good for the same racket
1168386;1434687786;mats;am around 2g over last two weeks
1168387;1434687806;BingoBoingo;mats: Your poor stomach. What about trying that stuff topical?
1168388;1434687834;mats;am also applying bengay liberally
1168389;1434687861;mats;i have become my grandfather
1168390;1434687879;BingoBoingo;Ouch. Bengay is basically topical super aspirin
1168391;1434687897;mats;is that good
1168392;1434687920;mats;i was under the impression that it reduces inflammation
1168393;1434687929;BingoBoingo;It does.
1168394;1434687945;BingoBoingo;The salicyclate is the active part of aspirin
1168395;1434687963;mats;its not working
1168396;1434688085;BingoBoingo;I mean you can try a comounding pharmacy for a more extreme replacement for the BenGay. Mixing a different NSAID with amitryptiline or nortryptiline to hit the nerve endings harder
1168397;1434688119;decimation;funkenstein_: yeah I know, people here bitch about the lack of 'adult' products.  glitzy candy beats serious in the market every time
1168398;1434688138;BingoBoingo;!up Chicago
1168399;1434688142;mats;decimation: nvm, apparently beats music has been up for some time
1168400;1434688144;funkenstein_;large price tag, heavy advertising
1168401;1434688154;funkenstein_;people buy the price tag, not the weights
1168402;1434688160;Chicago;o/ Hello
1168403;1434688173;mats;hi
1168404;1434688182;decimation;mats: yeah I think it came out a few weeks ago
1168405;1434688222;mats;http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/08/beat-it/ lol
1168406;1434688224;assbot;Beats Music Tells Users To Switch To Apple Music  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1CgelZW )
1168407;1434688265;decimation;mats: what is the cause of your pain?
1168408;1434688308;mats;i believe its ulnar nerve entrapment
1168409;1434688400;BingoBoingo;I'm telling you old arthiritic folk love topical tricyclic antidepressants to kill nerve pain, but if truly trapped knife may be an eventuality
1168410;1434688413;mats;I want to know if there's an issue with continuing this regimen of aspirin and ibuprofen
1168411;1434688418;decimation;mats: sucks.
1168412;1434688434;decimation;most folks I know who have knee or back surgery tend to have poor results
1168413;1434688472;BingoBoingo;mats: Do you have an ulcer yet?
1168414;1434688484;mats;BingoBoingo: can i ask for that without a script?
1168415;1434688488;Chicago;mats, I had the left ulnar nerve released in 2010 and still do the meds. They're really not so helpful.
1168416;1434688514;Chicago;(intramuscular release)
1168417;1434688516;BingoBoingo;mats: You'd need a script, and you'd need a compounding pharmacy to fill the script.
1168418;1434688534;mats;the meds are not helpful, or the release was not helpful?
1168419;1434688620;Chicago;mats, The release was done and may be needed again in the future. I still have the numbness in 4th and 5th digits of the left hand once in a while (but not as bad as the constant it was prior). The meds though, I think are more for my comfort and not a real treatment. They're not solving anything.
1168420;1434688673;Chicago;Prior to the release, I couldn't feel the keyboard underneath my fingers for 6 months.
1168421;1434688686;mats;a fairly common outcome, i think
1168422;1434688767;mats;maybe its time for us to learn typing with feet
1168423;1434688781;cazalla;gee you guys must spend a lot of time jacking it to require surgery
1168424;1434688814;BingoBoingo;If you find a doctor who can help you go with a heavier topical preparation you can also switch out from ibuprofen to something like diclofenac which is too antiinflammatory to take orally
1168425;1434688825;Chicago;I adapted my workstation heavily. So the change has made a difference in comfort. Now, the desk is about 36" deep and I can rest my arm on it and the keyboard sits deep too.
1168426;1434688856;Chicago;So there is room to have uniform pressure on the lower part of the arm.
1168427;1434688874;Chicago;cazalla, wrong arm
1168428;1434688890;mats;BingoBoingo: no ulcer yet
1168429;1434688891;cazalla;Chicago, ah you don't use both arms?
1168430;1434688905;mats;lo
1168431;1434688911;Chicago;Just my mouth, both feet and my right fist.
1168432;1434688933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22426 @ 0.00043022 = 9.6481 BTC [-] {2} 
1168433;1434688969;Chicago;mats, I know I've taken the Norco bottle and thrown it _far_ away from me in the past.
1168434;1434688980;Chicago;Sometimes its just too much medicine and I'd like to crap once in a while.
1168435;1434689018;mats;http://time.com/3926593/charleston-killer-flags/
1168436;1434689020;assbot;Charleston: The Meaning of the Suspected Killer's Flags on Facebook ... ( http://bit.ly/1flJTc6 )
1168437;1434689057;Chicago;mats, Does the alleged shooter look autistic to you?
1168438;1434689069;cazalla;i'd bet this guy was a /pol/ack
1168439;1434689069;Chicago;(with the small jaw and all)
1168440;1434689169;mats;no the only remarkable thing about this guy is the bowl cut
1168441;1434689248;mats;id probably go on a shooting spree too
1168442;1434689260;mats;this guy was a victim of bullying for sure
1168443;1434689288;mats;no doubt by some nigs
1168444;1434689294;cazalla;nah, he just wanted to beat brevik's high score and failed miserably
1168445;1434689334;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1168446;1434689548;decimation;what about that azn guy who shot up virginia state
1168447;1434689560;decimation;somehow the media didn't talk much about him
1168448;1434689641;cazalla;he was all over it decimation
1168449;1434689700;cazalla;that one came close but still.. no brevik
1168450;1434689792;decimation;well, as yarvin pointed out, brevik struck at the king and failed to kill him
1168451;1434689830;mats;Is that supposed to be a reference to the wire
1168452;1434689835;Vexual;alf+lsd=?
1168453;1434689850;cazalla;mats, you best not miss eh?
1168454;1434689857;Vexual;moores law gets orbited?
1168455;1434689871;decimation;nah it's machiavelli
1168456;1434689885;mats;im uncultured
1168457;1434689931;mats;night
1168458;1434690540;cazalla;anyway here is the dumb and dumber guy's archived facebook https://archive.is/LM2Tt
1168459;1434690541;assbot;Dylann Roof ... ( http://bit.ly/1flLvTj )
1168460;1434690580;cazalla;lol when all his friends are black
1168461;1434692532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00044518 = 6.6777 BTC [+]
1168462;1434692583;BingoBoingo;technically
1168463;1434696070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00042886 = 7.8481 BTC [-] {5} 
1168464;1434696558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00045121 = 13.9649 BTC [+] {4} 
1168465;1434697138;cazalla;jesus fucking christ copypaste, this shit is on every fucking tv station and newspaper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38OZ8ZRsC_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPDvqqarymg
1168466;1434697138;assbot;8chan theproject - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZ2asx )
1168467;1434697139;assbot;8chan 7news - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZ2asz )
1168468;1434698118;punkman;where did those aussie pics come from, just random posters?
1168469;1434698806;copypaste;cazalla: lol i saw one where they said 8chan was shut down
1168470;1434699130;cazalla;punkman, i assume the girls share the pics themselves or their boyfriends take em and share with their mates
1168471;1434699159;cazalla;copypaste, i wouldn't be surprised if they use this bullshit to block 8chan from aus
1168472;1434699258;cazalla;they're pushing through laws to allow blacklists to stop piracy so no doubt they'll use that to expand to other sites
1168473;1434701015;copypaste;cazalla: well the board creator of /aus/
1168474;1434701017;copypaste;remember it's like reddit
1168475;1434701025;copypaste;is a pussy so he deleted the thread after seeing al the news haha
1168476;1434701028;copypaste;he made a sticky about it
1168477;1434701036;copypaste;i backed it up tho
1168478;1434701091;cazalla;well given it's illegal to even view them, i'll stick to /pol/
1168479;1434701107;copypaste;under which law?
1168480;1434701150;cazalla;i don't know specifically (perhap it isn't even illegal)
1168481;1434701155;copypaste;i'm not even sure it's illegal in Aus to host them
1168482;1434701163;copypaste;immoral? perhaps (even i don't think it's immoral)
1168483;1434701165;copypaste;illegal? how?
1168484;1434701190;copypaste;they flipped their shit when i told them in the US that if their boyfriends took the pictures that means the boyfriends own the pictures and only they can write DMCAs
1168485;1434701198;cazalla;not even so much immoral, the women took the pics themselves and this idea 17 year olds are children but 18 year olds are adults is beyond retarded
1168486;1434701200;copypaste;being the subject of a picture has no bearing on anything
1168487;1434701221;copypaste;most of them are obviously overage
1168488;1434701237;copypaste;fat ugly whores the vast majority. i flipped through out of curiosity.
1168489;1434701246;cazalla;well i wouldn't know on account that i've not viewed them
1168490;1434701254;copypaste;hehe of couse.
1168491;1434701257;cazalla;but most australian women are massive sluts
1168492;1434701266;cazalla;(not complaining)
1168493;1434701267;copypaste;i had no choice but to look considering the reports come to me.
1168494;1434701275;copypaste;and some had been uploaded to the site, of course.
1168495;1434701305;cazalla;anyway they're blaming teenage boys but how are they to know it's boys sharing these images? could be gender fluid lesbians for all they know
1168496;1434701333;copypaste;hehe
1168497;1434701387;cazalla;australian wasn't even like this 20 years ago.. i was a teenager in the late 90s and there was none of this
1168498;1434701392;cazalla;australia even..
1168499;1434701421;cazalla;this moral panic has come about in the past 10 or so years
1168500;1434701516;copypaste;it's amusing how people are still adjusting to the internet
1168501;1434701525;copypaste;you are giving younger and younger kids cameras connected to a network at all times
1168502;1434701537;copypaste;what do you expect to happen?
1168503;1434701586;mats;can't sleep
1168504;1434701637;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/2zYd2CE.jpg
1168505;1434701638;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7sjVU )
1168506;1434701638;mats;i have been considering the possibility of .cn backing the hard fork
1168507;1434701687;mats;if it happens they will have implicitly admitted that their humint indicates nobody else is even close to running a comparable plurality of compute power
1168508;1434701799;mats;https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/pkitutorial.pdf << picked up from BingoBoingo's link earlier, "Everything you Never Wanted to Know about PKI but were Forced to Find Out"
1168509;1434701803;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvK11F )
1168510;1434701858;cazalla;copypaste, i'm not even so sure the young girls they interview are upset that their pics are out there but more so it isn't actually anything special once they're included in a directory of hundreds of other girls.. and they thought they were special!
1168511;1434701976;mats;https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-people-s-republic-of-china-stop-the-yulin-dog-meat-eating-festival
1168512;1434701977;assbot;Pétition · President of the People's Republic of China: STOP THE YULIN DOG MEAT EATING FESTIVAL · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7sArO )
1168513;1434701992;cazalla;i'm sure mircea_popescu can explain the phenomenon
1168514;1434702016;mats;http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2015/06/18/understanding-type-confusion-vulnerabilities-cve-2015-0336.aspx
1168515;1434702018;assbot;Understanding type confusion vulnerabilities: CVE-2015-0336  - Microsoft Malware Protection Center - Site Home - TechNet Blogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7sD6Y )
1168516;1434702079;cazalla;mats, have you had dog before?
1168517;1434702091;mats;no, but i'd try it if offered
1168518;1434702109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00044844 = 16.4802 BTC [-]
1168519;1434702109;mats;although i suspect it'd be a lot like eating bear
1168520;1434702115;mats;extra gamey
1168521;1434702119;cazalla;what?! (yeah i'd give it a try)
1168522;1434702129;cazalla;you've had bear?
1168523;1434702145;mats;yeah
1168524;1434702151;mats;would not recommend
1168525;1434702185;cazalla;how do you cook bear?
1168526;1434702199;copypaste;lol are you russian
1168527;1434702216;copypaste;maybe canadian
1168528;1434702220;cazalla;he's asian (chinese yeah?)
1168529;1434702229;mats;i dunno, my buddy is an outdoorsman and offered it to me
1168530;1434702235;mats;he did all the prep
1168531;1434702256;mats;made it like you'd normally do a steak
1168532;1434702271;cazalla;well everyone does their steak a bit different
1168533;1434702319;mats;he put it in the oven and then seared it on a pan
1168534;1434702359;mats;i've heard a lot of varying things about it, i might try bear again if offered
1168535;1434702387;mats;my buddy describes it as being savory and sweet
1168536;1434702416;cazalla;i wish we had more kangeroo products on offer down under
1168537;1434702443;mats;aren't they usually infested?
1168538;1434702493;cazalla;no idea, most butchers (not many butchers around either these days) don't carry it
1168539;1434702527;cazalla;they do export a bit of it though
1168540;1434702556;punkman;I tried a frozen kangaroo steak, I imagine a good quality piece won't be bad at all
1168541;1434702562;mats;i can't think of many things i wouldn't try at least once
1168542;1434702597;mats;cricket burger was very tasty and changed my outlook on new things
1168543;1434702631;punkman;where the crickets mashed into a patty?
1168544;1434702635;mats;yep
1168545;1434702648;punkman;wasn't it all crunch?
1168546;1434702658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20835 @ 0.00045652 = 9.5116 BTC [+] {2} 
1168547;1434702673;mats;there was a little crunch but i think there was some other filler in there
1168548;1434702682;mats;like eggplant or something
1168549;1434702690;cazalla;never had it but i imagine it taste like prawn heads (love eating those after i've mashed em to make stock for tom yum goong)
1168550;1434702705;mats;ended up tasting like a fairly decent approximation
1168551;1434702712;mats;like tofurkey
1168552;1434702738;cazalla;TIL about tofurkey
1168553;1434702761;cazalla;not sure i'd eat that.. not a fan of tofu
1168554;1434702776;mats;you'll never be fooled into thinking its meat, but i rather like meat substitutes for their flavors
1168555;1434702814;mats;soy and gluten are very good as bases and soak up whatever you put on em
1168556;1434702870;cazalla;rather use something like beans or lentils
1168557;1434702905;mats;is it the texture that you don't like about tofu?
1168558;1434702990;punkman;even the asian imports guy around here doesn't carry tofu, dunno why
1168559;1434703823;cazalla;mats, not so much the texture but the taste.. it's just bland (or maybe i've only ever had shitty tofu)
1168560;1434703844;Naphex;looking for ad spots for xotika.tv. /msg
1168561;1434703860;mats;i'd say its subtle rather than bland
1168562;1434703873;mats;with the real, high quality stuff, can eat it plain
1168563;1434703902;mats;tofu is kind of an analogue for real chinese cuisine
1168564;1434703959;mats;there's a much bigger emphasis on subtlety thats often misinterpreted as blandness by foreigners whose palettes are accustomed to american chinese food
1168565;1434703987;mats;fried and heavily salted shit, strong flavors like 'orange chicken', 'general tso's chicken', etc
1168566;1434704102;cazalla;yeah my missus and her friend were raving over this yum cha place but i'd never go again, fkn msg on everything
1168567;1434704351;mats;how can you tell
1168568;1434704361;mats;msg presents differently in various things
1168569;1434704411;mats;i'd suggest testing it yourself but nobody ever wants to actually buy msg
1168570;1434704454;mats;try some greens with msg and without, for example
1168571;1434704489;cazalla;well i'm assuming it was MSG but i'm not a fan of it or overly salty shit and that's what it was
1168572;1434704513;mats;i would not be able to identify msg as the culprit for the new flavor profile
1168573;1434704545;mats;thats probably it, too much salt is a common complaint
1168574;1434704695;mats;i think i'll have dim sum this weekend
1168575;1434706758;punkman;mats: i'd suggest testing it yourself but nobody ever wants to actually buy msg < I've bought a bag of msg, it's pretty great
1168576;1434706775;punkman;too much and it ruins stuff of course
1168577;1434707505;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFbsXIyzP-s
1168578;1434707506;assbot;The Boswell Sisters - Stop the sun, stop the moon (1932).wmv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SuR14a )
1168579;1434710724;kakobrekla;Naphex how much do you charge?
1168580;1434710733;Naphex;for what?
1168581;1434710743;kakobrekla;ads?
1168582;1434710766;Naphex; i want to place xotika ads, not the other way around :P
1168583;1434710773;kakobrekla;ah
1168584;1434710788;kakobrekla;well, you can buy a bitbet banner slot
1168585;1434710829;Naphex;sounds good
1168586;1434710858;kakobrekla;i think its 0.1 per slot per month if you are interested
1168587;1434711287;wyrdmantis;I was asked if there is a "defense" plan to "isolate" the Bitcoin XT nodes or something similar. I thought this is a non-issue for you guys...
1168588;1434711881;kakobrekla;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/advertising.txt 4c1e5b8b96f489f49e8106a8d9994312d095e869d44599297d315873386ec21d
1168589;1434711882;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TAjTcF )
1168590;1434711882;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1168591;1434721385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00043355 = 9.0178 BTC [-]
1168592;1434725350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00043801 = 13.6002 BTC [+]
1168593;1434728217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24943 @ 0.00043846 = 10.9365 BTC [+] {2} 
1168594;1434733646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00043887 = 3.4232 BTC [+]
1168595;1434734225;BingoBoingo;Derps herping because they don't know what Bitcoin is https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3aenx0/avoid_f2pool_they_are_incompetent_reckless_and/
1168596;1434734226;assbot;Avoid F2Pool: They are incompetent ,reckless and greedy! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lk4pXF )
1168597;1434734276;BingoBoingo;tldr: Pool implements a replace by fee patch, derps herp because it means People can double spend before the transaction is committed to a block!
1168598;1434734762;BingoBoingo;Actual mailing list post highlights that BitcoinXT's behavior is actually broken https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08422.html
1168599;1434734763;assbot;[Bitcoin-development] F2Pool has enabled full replace-by-fee ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lk5JK8 )
1168600;1434735232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00043048 = 20.7061 BTC [-] {3} 
1168601;1434735476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5557 @ 0.00043887 = 2.4388 BTC [+]
1168602;1434735903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23229 @ 0.00044922 = 10.4349 BTC [+]
1168603;1434736771;mats;http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189
1168604;1434736774;assbot;A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnr4uX )
1168605;1434736909;mats;am a fan of locking and storing the bolt carrier group and actual weapon separately
1168606;1434736909;scoopbot_revived;Epidemiology is hard to follow. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/
1168607;1434737217;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1168608;1434737249;ascii_field;mats: do you at least have a bayonet? or plan to bludgeon intruder with the butt of the bolt-less rifle ?
1168609;1434737313;mats;not hard to detect an intruder, and there are easy ways to fashion fatal funnels to defender's advantage
1168610;1434737348;mats;could knife the fella or just put the weapon together, takes less than 30s to unlock and load
1168611;1434737411;ascii_field;mats: try to think like usg. police show up, you are alive and slum bunny is dead. prosecutor: 'proof that he had the bolt in. otherwise he oughta be dead.'
1168612;1434737553;mats;so?
1168613;1434737558;ascii_field;so fuck usg.
1168614;1434737615;mats;usg is the only actor id be worried about breaching my home
1168615;1434737632;ascii_field;and you keep the bolt out?
1168616;1434737636;mats;few hoods know to bring four dudes and clear corners
1168617;1434737639;ascii_field;why not keep white flag instead of rifle then ?
1168618;1434737643;ascii_field;for rapid surrender
1168619;1434737681;mats;good idea
1168620;1434737683;ascii_field;what purpose is served by 'bolt separately' other than to satisfy inspectors ?
1168621;1434737714;mats;protect kids from their parents, mostly
1168622;1434737733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3188 @ 0.00044922 = 1.4321 BTC [+]
1168623;1434737847;ascii_field;[insert mircea_popescu's article re: 'married men' here]
1168624;1434738015;jurov;heh. so they should be striked out of gun violence stats, got it
1168625;1434738021;mats;http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/2015/06/owning-internet-printing-case-study-in.html
1168626;1434738022;assbot;Project Zero: Owning Internet Printing - A Case Study in Modern Software Exploitation ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnugXa )
1168627;1434738335;mircea_popescu;menahem what's being a hit mean ?
1168628;1434738337;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/
1168629;1434738338;assbot;Index of /wp-content/themes/trilema/images ... ( http://bit.ly/1ev8sTW )
1168630;1434738466;menahem;mircea_popescu - you're a smash, very popular. :D
1168631;1434738479;mircea_popescu;but how do you know this ?
1168632;1434738489;mircea_popescu;what's the metric ? something.
1168633;1434738492;trinque;https://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8803721/charleston-terrorism-racism << quick on the draw, aren't they?
1168634;1434738493;assbot;Why calling the Charleston shooting terrorism is important to so many people - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnvSR0 )
1168635;1434738500;menahem;oh i posted a screenshot, lemme find it
1168636;1434738509;trinque;and look, backed up by tweets!
1168637;1434738510;mats;uniques, the currency of the internets
1168638;1434738531;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla o hey cool beans eh.
1168639;1434738550;mircea_popescu;im uniquely smashing!
1168640;1434738563;menahem;first day of going live: http://screencast.com/t/5Y30zCpvFu
1168641;1434738564;assbot;2015-06-19_0007 - Saucal's library ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnw2rr )
1168642;1434738619;mircea_popescu;menahem so is that "130 people checked it out 0 bought" ?
1168643;1434738646;menahem;ecommerce tracking wasn't added until last night
1168644;1434738657;menahem;we had 1 sale of the MP tee :D
1168645;1434738676;mircea_popescu;haha cool.
1168646;1434738678;menahem;i monetized you. :)
1168647;1434738681;mircea_popescu;do i get royalities ?
1168648;1434738691;menahem;haha, free banner ads.
1168649;1434738736;menahem;https://koinswag.com/shop/bitcoin-t-shirt/mpex-bitcoin-t-shirt/
1168650;1434738738;assbot;MPEx Bitcoin T-Shirt - KOIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnwvK8 )
1168651;1434738769;mircea_popescu;lol ok
1168652;1434738884;mircea_popescu;if it ever makes you rich, donate to teh bitcoin foundation
1168653;1434738885;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/treasurer_contract.html
1168654;1434738886;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnwTs8 )
1168655;1434738974;menahem;that I will do.
1168656;1434739012;menahem;i'll def take some responsibility to fund that in the future.
1168657;1434739158;mircea_popescu;cool.
1168658;1434739917;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1168659;1434739946;*;ascii_field tried last night to backport 'dumpprivkey' and 'importprivkey' from phoundation-0.7 and found that relevant data structures are entirely different
1168660;1434740019;ascii_field;i.e. thoroughly gavinized
1168661;1434740105;mircea_popescu;yes, this is why 0.7 was right off when we discussed the branch
1168662;1434740138;ascii_field;also how the fuck did anyone use bitcoin for serious battlefield operation prior to dump-/importprivkey ?
1168663;1434740155;mod6;yah. for now w, i'm told this works as a temp fix: <shinohai> https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet
1168664;1434740156;assbot;jackjack-jj/pywallet · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnzXEE )
1168665;1434740159;ascii_field;iirc there was an external kludge that walked db ?
1168666;1434740162;mircea_popescu;nobody serious to my knowledge has used this software as-is.
1168667;1434740175;mircea_popescu;kind-of why the blind insistence / pretense put forth by the power rangers is so amusing to me
1168668;1434740191;mircea_popescu;seriously, anyone gives a shit abvout what you release ? as anything other than toilet reading material ? when did that happen ?
1168669;1434740211;mircea_popescu;they keep pretending like oh, the miners bla bla. nobody, ever, actually used the shit raw. because you can't, because obvious reasons.
1168670;1434740306;mod6;ascii_field tried last night to backport 'dumpprivkey' and 'importprivkey' from phoundation-0.7 and found that relevant data structures are entirely different << yeah, i found the same thing back 5-6 months ago when trying to do the same thing.  glad there seems to be a workaround, i'm told.
1168671;1434740356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00044933 = 11.368 BTC [+] {2} 
1168672;1434740663;mod6;anyway, I haven't had a chance yet to try out the pywallet.py thing myself; ascii_field lettuce know if it works for ya plz.
1168673;1434740681;mod6;shinohai said it worked for him.
1168674;1434740682;shinohai;@ mod6 worked for me
1168675;1434740687;mod6;^ :]
1168676;1434740693;shinohai;>.>
1168677;1434740749;shinohai;That is just a hacky thing to me though. Definitely not a full scale solution.
1168678;1434740764;mircea_popescu;!up hazirafel_
1168679;1434740784;mod6;in the case of pywallet.py, it looks like you just have to --dumpwallet, instead of being able to feed it a pub address and getting out a privkey right?
1168680;1434740789;mircea_popescu;sooner or later everyone ends up with a full bitcoin data manipulator built in their favourite language, python or not.
1168681;1434740790;hazirafel_;thanks.
1168682;1434740803;mod6;mircea_popescu: yah
1168683;1434740805;mircea_popescu;it'd be nice if the reference client provided this, however, what with thew "accounts" bullshit and etc in there, i doubt it'll be this decade.
1168684;1434740887;*;funkenstein_ considers bitaddress.org + coinb.in on offline box the reference wallet 
1168685;1434741138;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167863 << this would be a technically correct argument :D
1168686;1434741138;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 19:53:19; nubbins`: unfortunately mp just left so he is unable to inform us that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending to be hallucinating
1168687;1434741210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19344 @ 0.00044836 = 8.6731 BTC [-]
1168688;1434741271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00042727 = 3.9736 BTC [-]
1168689;1434741387;shinohai;Then once I figure out how to produce these hallucinogenic effects at will in my mind, I shall sell the secrets on Agora and dry it all up.
1168690;1434741413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167881 << so did the gal visiting last night...
1168691;1434741413;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 19:57:49; mats: all i did was walk around naked
1168692;1434741586;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167889 << and suddenly another utility of crate of benjies becomes apparent.
1168693;1434741586;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 20:05:17; ascii_field: trinque: always wanted to try this, but never came close to accessing the dope
1168694;1434741599;trinque;heh
1168695;1434741685;hazirafel_;don't know if this is a good place to ask, but here ... i'm code literate in java , and i really want to learn to know my way around fiddling with blockchains and bitcoin, i would love advice on places to start and where to get help and information. i guess i need to learn C first but i'm looking for more advice.  thanks!
1168696;1434741693;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167905 << and did he immediately sack the comissioner of police ?
1168697;1434741693;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 20:07:16; ascii_field: they machine-gunned his dogs
1168698;1434741708;mircea_popescu;and only agreed to hire a replacewment once the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in the department ?
1168699;1434741789;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1168700;1434741945;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167978 << and strangely enough, this ISNT'T the top of social media.
1168701;1434741945;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 20:26:10; nubbins`: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2026
1168702;1434741954;mircea_popescu;instead, they're preoccupied with the liberty problems of trans-idiots.
1168703;1434741973;mats;magic mushrooms make me want to poop myself during the entire experience
1168704;1434742052;hazirafel_;i forgot i read that being nice on the internet makes people think you're stupid. any fucking help bit-assholes?
1168705;1434742065;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168010 << this is drastically not how it works. an equivalent of this approach would be "was with a girl dressed in a skirt, had blow job".
1168706;1434742065;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 20:34:36; ascii_field: nubbins`: can then say 'i took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i took 500 and learned that thirty-three is purple'
1168707;1434742066;mircea_popescu;sooooo ?
1168708;1434742075;mircea_popescu;hazirafel_ what do you need help with ?
1168709;1434742078;mircea_popescu;an' who're you anyway ?
1168710;1434742174;mircea_popescu;oh the java c thing.
1168711;1434742209;mircea_popescu;hazirafel_ listen, there is no practical way to understand anything relevant re bitcoin without actually reading the code. and the code is c++. you will have to do this as a first step.
1168712;1434742252;hazirafel_;ok cool. i've been reading the developers guid
1168713;1434742253;hazirafel_;e
1168714;1434742254;mircea_popescu;the alternative, if you are a business person, is to have a programmer "read it to you", but this is expensive and rare a tradecraft, so. expect to spend the next year laying groundowkr, mostly in terms oif reading the codebase and wondering at the wonders of c++
1168715;1434742271;mircea_popescu;the problem with reading the developer guide is the same problem with reading mark twain, the cliff notes.
1168716;1434742301;mircea_popescu;a) not in any sense funny and b) very dangerous, ion that it offers you the illusion of having understood (through recognition mostly) but no actual understanding. which is how people end up writing insecure applications
1168717;1434742304;hazirafel_;who am i? :my name is sarah, i live in the 'holy land' , i did some programming courses in collage but bitcoin actually motivates me to learn the nuts and bolts, was looking around the net, saw a recommendation of this cha
1168718;1434742308;mircea_popescu;(this is true generally, not just here)
1168719;1434742347;mircea_popescu;!gettrust hazirafel_
1168720;1434742347;assbot;hazirafel_ is not registered in WoT.
1168721;1434742349;mircea_popescu;!h
1168722;1434742349;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1168723;1434742352;mircea_popescu;also, start there.
1168724;1434742383;hazirafel_;mircea you
1168725;1434742400;hazirafel_;mircea you're talking about the developers guide?
1168726;1434742405;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1168727;1434742453;hazirafel_;yeah i need to register. ok so you're saying learn c++ and read the source code?
1168728;1434742474;mircea_popescu;yes.
1168729;1434742477;mircea_popescu;one can drive the other.
1168730;1434742528;hazirafel_;any recommendations for learning c++? how much time do you think is needed for basics? are questions welcome on this chat?
1168731;1434742534;mircea_popescu;also meet Adlai. he's also from the jdif.
1168732;1434742543;hazirafel_;i see
1168733;1434742568;mircea_popescu;questions are welcome, a reasonably intelligent & cultured person (which means 1% of ivy league) should be able to complete this in a year.
1168734;1434742623;mircea_popescu;!up hazirafel_
1168735;1434742653;jurov;for c++ there's alway the K&R canon
1168736;1434742664;hazirafel_;ehh... complete learning C++  or bitcoin literate ?  Ivy League doesn't mean shit necessarily, from the people i've met
1168737;1434742699;mircea_popescu;well yeah, but i don't know you, and so i have nfi what reference points to use, and so...
1168738;1434742710;jurov;otherwise, learning programming is mostly individual affair
1168739;1434742725;jurov;you can expect some false starts before you find material suitable to you
1168740;1434742739;mircea_popescu;and, "sufficient proficiency in both c++ and bitcoin so as to be able to follow all the discussion here, and only say something stupid 50% of the time and less, and understand why it's stupid once explained 90% of the time or more"
1168741;1434742774;mircea_popescu;which is my idea of "basics"
1168742;1434742778;mircea_popescu;ymmv
1168743;1434742816;mod6;the logs (see /topic ) have a wealth of knowledge too.  the last 6-12 months are worth a read.
1168744;1434742818;hazirafel_;what is mostly discusses here?
1168745;1434742827;mircea_popescu;porn, actually.
1168746;1434742885;mircea_popescu;but yes, k&r is prolly how one should start cpp
1168747;1434742903;hazirafel_;thank you
1168748;1434743001;trinque;davout: saw your feedback re: going through deeds by author. sounds great; I'll try to find time for that
1168749;1434743036;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168746 << k&r concerns exclusively c..
1168750;1434743036;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 19:41:25; mircea_popescu: but yes, k&r is prolly how one should start cpp
1168751;1434743065;ascii_field;cpp is introduced in stroustrup but this in turn breathes not a word re: 'boost' etc
1168752;1434743159;mircea_popescu;ascii_field her starting point was java.
1168753;1434743273;mircea_popescu;which i suspect is actually the result of just how broken school is these days.
1168754;1434743278;mircea_popescu;hazirafel_ how old are you ?
1168755;1434743292;hazirafel_;26
1168756;1434743300;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#626237
1168757;1434743300;assbot;Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
1168758;1434743341;mircea_popescu;aha ok.
1168759;1434743354;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168692 << only of utility to folks with nonzero 'street wot.'
1168760;1434743354;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 19:19:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167889 << and suddenly another utility of crate of benjies becomes apparent.
1168761;1434743365;mircea_popescu;nobody was born with it alfie.
1168762;1434743377;mircea_popescu;it was built, by people, through the process of taking risks.
1168763;1434743379;ascii_field;no but it typically happens in childhood.
1168764;1434743383;mircea_popescu;not so.
1168765;1434743391;ascii_field;the relevant brain circuits, i mean
1168766;1434743418;mircea_popescu;didn't you grow up like sane people, in a sovblok urban development with 1k kids your age / acre and no tv to speak of ?
1168767;1434743437;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes but was then moved to usa where was nearly total hermit since age ~9
1168768;1434743446;mircea_popescu;9 is old enough.
1168769;1434743456;shinohai;The blockchain is sacred. Don't fuck with it ala Gavin
1168770;1434743461;mircea_popescu;let the unfortunate nato schmucks grown on facebook complain of "brain circuitry"
1168771;1434743467;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168698 << iirc it was state police
1168772;1434743467;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 19:21:48; mircea_popescu: and only agreed to hire a replacewment once the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in the department ?
1168773;1434743477;mircea_popescu;ascii_field does not matter who it was.
1168774;1434743494;mircea_popescu;"your job is to defend, me first of all. you failed. go try your hand at garbage moving."
1168775;1434743500;ascii_field;^ matters in the sense that mayor of city of college park cannot fire md state police
1168776;1434743508;mircea_popescu;he fires the people he has,
1168777;1434743509;mircea_popescu;not the offenders.
1168778;1434743528;ascii_field;fires them for failing to kill the state police? l0l!
1168779;1434743533;mircea_popescu;if the line is breached, the officers decimate THEIR infantry, not the enemy's
1168780;1434743545;mircea_popescu;even tho it was THE ENEMY that ~actually~ did it.
1168781;1434743550;mircea_popescu;"what were you doing during ???"
1168782;1434743557;mircea_popescu;ascii_field caring is for idiots.
1168783;1434743568;ascii_field;when the muppets open up on one another, i promise to wake up mircea_popescu. though it might have to be over spark-gap radio
1168784;1434743586;mircea_popescu;it's just what you do.
1168785;1434743589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27226 @ 0.00042727 = 11.6329 BTC [-]
1168786;1434743590;mircea_popescu;"where were you ? bang."
1168787;1434743624;ascii_field;where was the thread where mircea_popescu observed, 'if they weren't dumb shits we would not even be having this line of thought' ?
1168788;1434743626;ascii_field;applies.
1168789;1434743638;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1168790;1434743655;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1168791;1434743689;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168695 << why not understand something simple first? like 'pkzip'
1168792;1434743689;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 19:21:25; hazirafel_: don't know if this is a good place to ask, but here ... i'm code literate in java , and i really want to learn to know my way around fiddling with blockchains and bitcoin, i would love advice on places to start and where to get help and information. i guess i need to learn C first but i'm looking for more advice.  thanks!
1168793;1434743717;ascii_field;for some reason i can't help but recall the kidz of 1990s who always began with 'where do i learn to write a game like 'doom' ?'
1168794;1434743726;mircea_popescu;because something large is always moire interesting.
1168795;1434743734;hazirafel_;what can i say
1168796;1434743735;mircea_popescu;most kids get into programming because they want to make a mmorpg.
1168797;1434743745;hazirafel_;that's a great motivation
1168798;1434743750;mircea_popescu;which, and i say from bitter experience, is just as large a task as making an os, and so... the largest class there is.
1168799;1434743774;ascii_field;but when you tell them 'write a 1980s-style MUD first' they balk
1168800;1434743780;mircea_popescu;they should.
1168801;1434743787;mircea_popescu;and you'll notice i never tell 'em that. it's a stupid thing to say.
1168802;1434743796;mircea_popescu;"how do i get the girl i love ?" "get some sluts first"
1168803;1434743796;ascii_field;why?
1168804;1434743797;mircea_popescu;what is he, me ?
1168805;1434743816;mod6;haha
1168806;1434743831;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827603 << obligatory thread
1168807;1434743831;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 15:39:53; asciilifeform: every time i see the bed of nails i think of the soviet caricature
1168808;1434743890;mircea_popescu;so there you go.
1168809;1434743927;hazirafel_;you have a point, if i had the inclination into codeing needing to be block-chain literate i would of be swimming in it by my age... maybe
1168810;1434743939;hazirafel_;*needed
1168811;1434744019;ascii_field;but in this case i do not think it is unreasonable to ask kid to learn wtf programming even means, prior to writing 'doom'
1168812;1434744025;trinque;ascii_field: LOL @ "start small"
1168813;1434744031;hazirafel_;in which i mean, liking programming enough.
1168814;1434744032;mircea_popescu;hazirafel_ it's really a lot like racing. to be into racing more than someone cheering in the stands / swimsuit model crowding the finish line, you gotta take an engine apart. grease and all.
1168815;1434744034;mircea_popescu;just what it is.
1168816;1434744042;ascii_field;^
1168817;1434744050;ascii_field;!s camel has two humps
1168818;1434744051;assbot;7 results for 'camel has two humps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=camel+has+two+humps
1168819;1434744057;hazirafel_;well yeah
1168820;1434744081;ascii_field;^ many would-be 'doom' authors discover that they can't actually stomach the very notion of a machine which behaves precisely as instructed and not 'as intentioned'
1168821;1434744091;mircea_popescu;the advantage is that c++ grease doesn't irritate the skin. the disadvantage is that well... this thing has i would estimate about 10 to 100x more moving parts than a car,
1168822;1434744101;ascii_field;(this may be the ultimate psychological group divide)
1168823;1434744101;mircea_popescu;and the relationships a good two layers deeper/more complex.
1168824;1434744124;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that's nothing but the infancy/adulthood divide. it's not a personal descriptor
1168825;1434744130;mircea_popescu;other than "this adult exhibits intellectual neoteny".
1168826;1434744174;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: recall the little quiz, where the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed the next 4 years, while of the shooters in the dark - none did
1168827;1434744181;ascii_field;(all of these with no prior experience programming)
1168828;1434744191;mircea_popescu;even so.
1168829;1434744267;mircea_popescu;in other news, "the proportion of female faces that are more feminine than the most feminine male faces is much greater than the proportion of male faces that are more masculine than the most masculine female faces."
1168830;1434744279;mircea_popescu;apparently recent research actually settles this point
1168831;1434744290;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/0gGQIg5.jpg
1168832;1434744291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fmChGb )
1168833;1434744384;hazirafel_;i did this course where i wrote in java for 30 hours a week, i have no problem doing it, no pain, didn't love it, it was mildley fun . my problem was organization, i expect it's much worse in C , but i could see it as a motivation for thinking in a  more organized way.
1168834;1434744411;hazirafel_;mireca i didn't get your comment about the kidz and the errors
1168835;1434744439;mircea_popescu;my who now ?
1168836;1434744452;mircea_popescu;!up hazirafel_
1168837;1434744465;hazirafel_;"mircea_popescu: recall the little quiz, where the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed the next 4 years, while of the shooters in the dark - none did [23:02] <+ascii_field> (all of these with no prior experience programming)"
1168838;1434744488;mircea_popescu;he said it, and directed it at me, which is why my name is in there.
1168839;1434744500;ascii_field;hazirafel_: this is related to a very old article, entitled 'the camel has two humps'
1168840;1434744503;shinohai;Well those kids learned what *doesn't* work
1168841;1434744516;trinque;wiki.t-o-f.info/uploads/EDM4600/The camel has two humps.pdf
1168842;1434744536;ascii_field;which argued convincingly that a certain essential skill for learning to program cannot actually be taught
1168843;1434744540;mod6;hazirafel_: along with the logs: trilema.com if you don't already
1168844;1434744540;trinque;obviously paste the whole thing; escape codes didn't make it in
1168845;1434744568;mircea_popescu;ascii_field incidentally, i suspect the dataset there has a major flaw. to model it : two classes of brothel patrons. class A comes to reception, asks "do the girls here to X ?" ; class B comes to reception, asks "what can girls here do for me ?"
1168846;1434744577;mircea_popescu;which of the two do you propose are more likely to spend money ?
1168847;1434744597;fluffypony;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/how-to-blow-6-billion-on-a-tech-project/
1168848;1434744598;assbot;How to blow $6 billion on a tech project | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnJNGK )
1168849;1434744606;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the latter ?
1168850;1434744622;mircea_popescu;necessarily. the latter propose to select from the set given, the former have a preformed set they compare to.
1168851;1434744635;ascii_field;'what can they do? -- wash cars. -- ok, my car is dusty, let's wash'
1168852;1434744636;mircea_popescu;now, which would you say is likely to contain the largest proportion of intelligent people ?
1168853;1434744664;ascii_field;fluffypony: winblows ce! in that photo. look carefully
1168854;1434744671;mircea_popescu;fluffypony haha. nothing of the stealth plane yet huh.
1168855;1434744671;fluffypony;I know, lol
1168856;1434744773;ascii_field;'When JTRS started, software-defined radio (SDR) was still in its infancy. The project's SCA architecture allowed software to manipulate field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) in the radio hardware to reconfigure how its electronics functioned, exposing those FPGAs as CORBA objects. But when development began, hardware implementations of CORBA for FPGAs didn’t really exist in any standard form.' << giga-l0l!
1168857;1434744795;mircea_popescu;ascii_field to round up what i mean, class A are perhaps "the shooters in the dark". which means, they have an idea what they want, and programming [as taught] fails to satisfy [which is the fault of the teachers].
1168858;1434744798;ascii_field;as if fpga has ~ever~ (at least since '92 or so) been 'exposed' as anything but the blackest of black boxes
1168859;1434744804;mircea_popescu;this is then mis-represented as "there's something wrong wit hthe patrons"
1168860;1434744868;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc the author of 'camels' did investigate what the 'shooters in dark' had in common - and in all cases, it was an inability to comprehend that the machine is entirely blind to human intent, and to build meaningful mental models of purely mechanistic systems as a class
1168861;1434744888;mircea_popescu;but my proposition is that perhaps he found this because it's what he wanted to find.
1168862;1434744895;mircea_popescu;maybe all the patrons in class A happen to be white
1168863;1434744905;mircea_popescu;and incompetent pinoy brothel owner decides "gringos are assholes"
1168864;1434744925;ascii_field;possible
1168865;1434744930;ascii_field;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/google-to-remove-revenge-porn-search-results << moar lulz
1168866;1434744932;assbot;Google to remove revenge porn search results | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnKtf6 )
1168867;1434744932;mircea_popescu;not "our brothel really fucking sucks, who ever heard of this"
1168868;1434745011;hazirafel_;dose extensive experience with Asperger people count?
1168869;1434745030;mircea_popescu;count in what ?
1168870;1434745070;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168033 << wait, you think anyone drinks specified purity caffeine in their coffee ?!
1168871;1434745070;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 20:38:16; ascii_field: would you tolerate this with coffee? booze ?
1168872;1434745090;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i specified 'coffee does not vary by order of magnitude'
1168873;1434745107;ascii_field;(for one thing, if it did, you would typically be dead after a few pulls of the roulette trigger)
1168874;1434745108;hazirafel_;comprehending machines, i guess i'm kidding
1168875;1434745138;trinque;hazirafel_: those types tend to do what they're told; wouldn't call it understanding
1168876;1434745144;mircea_popescu;wasn't it the case caffeine tolerance actually builds to degrees of magnitude ?
1168877;1434745145;trinque;*comprehending
1168878;1434745170;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: different animal vs. 'roll dice to decide how many zeros appear in front of the milligram figure'
1168879;1434745186;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1168880;1434745194;*;mircea_popescu has really nfi what's out there re lsd purity
1168881;1434745203;ascii_field;ditto for something like, e.g., an ordinary cig
1168882;1434745217;mircea_popescu;well ok, getting 2 grams of nicotine would put you out
1168883;1434745222;ascii_field;if it could just as easily contain 1g as 1mg of nicotine, it would be a suicide device
1168884;1434745260;mircea_popescu;pretty much
1168885;1434745275;trinque;this is why you should have friends more reckless than you are
1168886;1434745288;trinque;when it doesn't kill them, great
1168887;1434745290;mircea_popescu;or children
1168888;1434745294;trinque;heh!
1168889;1434745296;mircea_popescu;lol
1168890;1434745303;mircea_popescu;but yes, this is WHY children are reckless.
1168891;1434745310;ascii_field;http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3ae3wn/guy_was_ordered_to_give_his_ex_half_of_the_stuff/? << in other nyooz
1168892;1434745312;assbot;Guy was ordered to give his ex half of the stuff after divorce. Well, he did. : WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnLfsu )
1168893;1434745312;mircea_popescu;historically, what they've been used for.
1168894;1434745449;ascii_field;as a boy, i saw a '80s sov. film where a couple split up their possessions with gigantic laser
1168895;1434745454;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168051 << he has a point tho. you are aboput as likely to get 10 doses in one as you are to get 55 cups of latte for ordering 5.
1168896;1434745454;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 20:42:01; *: ascii_field wonders why nubbins` is publicly begging lizard hitler to order his mail opened and tested
1168897;1434745455;ascii_field;and ended with objects like these
1168898;1434745467;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, people who sell very weak stuff prolly lose their custom
1168899;1434745481;mircea_popescu;so, it may vary but it won't vary as drastically as you propose. prolly more in line with coffee/caffeine.
1168900;1434745492;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1168901;1434745545;ascii_field;http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Halber-Motorradhelm-/00/s/MTAyNFg3Njg=/z/~oIAAOSwl8NVbcHr/$_57.JPG << win
1168902;1434745545;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnLT9s )
1168903;1434745582;ascii_field;http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Halbes-Apple-MacBook-Pro-/00/s/OTAwWDEyMDA=/z/I4gAAOSwsLtVevMs/$_57.JPG << ultra-portable laptop for ben_vulpes ?
1168904;1434745582;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnLXG5 )
1168905;1434745606;mod6;haha
1168906;1434745694;trinque;http://www.ebay.de/itm/Halber-Opel-Corsa-/201368555436?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item2ee2804fac
1168907;1434745696;assbot; Halber Opel Corsa | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1fmDVHP )
1168908;1434745697;trinque;oh that's good
1168909;1434745738;trinque;marriage, not even once...
1168910;1434745782;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/are-prosecutors-using-a-gag-order-to-search-for-reason-com-commenters << take a guess who isn't mentioned
1168911;1434745783;assbot;Are prosecutors using a gag order to search for Reason.com commenters? | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1fmE4v0 )
1168912;1434745788;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168104 << all this c0khaet!1
1168913;1434745788;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 21:31:46; cazalla: ah i think she's attractive, just has that mousy look.. no cocks either! maybe mp could learn a thing or two from you :P
1168914;1434745799;mircea_popescu;ascii_field obama.
1168915;1434746045;shinohai;@ trinque "marriage, not even once"  <<< My motto
1168916;1434746115;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168137 << yes. a large number of people do, who all seem to be lookingfor the same thing. "someone with experience with gpgtools for mac"
1168917;1434746115;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 22:12:43; ag3nt_zer0: does anyone have experience with gpgtools for mac?
1168918;1434746130;mircea_popescu;i suspect what they mean is, "someone with experience with crapple software that doesn't suck"
1168919;1434746141;mircea_popescu;may be a bridge too far, too thin, too short and too fallen in the water too long ago.
1168920;1434746150;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and by 'for mac' they almost always mean 'using mac gui'
1168921;1434746165;ascii_field;(normal shell-only gpg builds fine on mac)
1168922;1434746218;mircea_popescu;aha
1168923;1434746313;mircea_popescu;and now, ima go play some eulora. bbl!
1168924;1434746324;thestringpuller;I suspekt the second you put priv keys on a mac they go straight ot the secret iCloud.
1168925;1434746710;shinohai;@ thestringpuller i had a pm from a guy using a mac last night using gpg on a mac (gui) I couldn't help because I know dick about macs.
1168926;1434746859;trinque;shinohai: that macgpg thing seems like a wad of unnecessary crap
1168927;1434746909;trinque;er no, "gpgtools" is the one I had in mind
1168928;1434746949;shinohai;gpgtools was what he was using. I was drinking pernod and told him to fuck off and use linux basically
1168929;1434746953;shinohai;I feel bad now
1168930;1434746962;trinque;no, that's precisely the right response
1168931;1434746995;trinque;I'll happily lead a noob through using the proper tools, but wont bother with someone who refuses to use the proper tools
1168932;1434747171;shinohai;I tried to help him but I m hoplessly out of my element with other OS's no matter how hard I try
1168933;1434747266;mod6;<+trinque> no, that's precisely the right response << i wonder if its easier to just tell mac people to fire up a vm of linux/bsd and just use gpg inside of that?
1168934;1434747278;mod6;but overall, i agree.
1168935;1434747343;mod6;!up ascii_field
1168936;1434747344;trinque;mod6: maybe; I'd like to see a standard piece of hardware recommended at some point
1168937;1434747363;shinohai;I have a shitty laptop that came with Win8, I wouldn't trade it for a Mac even if you added a few btc to the mix
1168938;1434747366;trinque;I might buy one of the pcengines machines ascii_field pointed out soon
1168939;1434747399;shinohai;I must add I put Debian Jessie on that laptop in place of 8
1168940;1434747857;ascii_field;trinque: keep in mind, those have no vga
1168941;1434747881;ascii_field;nor does attaching one through the m-pcie slots appear to work
1168942;1434747925;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168936 << i cannot in good conscience recommend any presently-manufactured general-purpose pc box
1168943;1434747925;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 20:55:44; trinque: mod6: maybe; I'd like to see a standard piece of hardware recommended at some point
1168944;1434747950;trinque;ascii_field: yeah I chose "pointed out" to keep from saying that's your recommended box
1168945;1434747965;ascii_field;it is good for approximately same kind of uses as pogo
1168946;1434747971;ascii_field;(but costs 5x more)
1168947;1434747981;trinque;yeah, I'm thinking this would be a bitcoind dev/build box
1168948;1434748004;ascii_field;trinque: so long as you're ok with operating over '80s-style terminal
1168949;1434748043;trinque;ssh's fine by me
1168950;1434748056;trinque;and was thinking of snagging decimation's terminal
1168951;1434748059;ascii_field;trinque: are you also ok with building own bios ?
1168952;1434748075;ascii_field;(iirc the one it ships with doesn't work)
1168953;1434748092;trinque;I could probably manage
1168954;1434748094;trinque;ah ok
1168955;1434748115;trinque;what's the tooling to write to that run?
1168956;1434748119;ascii_field;gcc
1168957;1434748126;ascii_field;'coreboot' (formerly aka 'linuxbios')
1168958;1434748129;trinque;I mean flashing the guy
1168959;1434748135;ascii_field;spi
1168960;1434748143;trinque;k
1168961;1434748166;ascii_field;needless to say it's built around amd g-series chip. so when amd kisses good-bye, that's all for this box
1168962;1434748173;ascii_field;in terms of estimating longevity
1168963;1434748203;ascii_field;on account of amd's poor health, i see x86 as being very soon dead to me entirely
1168964;1434748331;trinque;of late I collect two things; old computers/parts and PDFs
1168965;1434748338;trinque;while they can be got, heh
1168966;1434748347;ascii_field;pdf ?
1168967;1434748354;trinque;tends to be the format for papers posted here
1168968;1434748415;ascii_field;most 'old computer' catagory is worthless.
1168969;1434748465;shinohai;There is no such thing as an obsolete computer in my mind, unless it is hopelessly fragmented by usg
1168970;1434748491;shinohai;I just need to find a way to think around it.
1168971;1434748505;ascii_field;the only thing more useless than a modern opaque turd is a 1990s opaque turd that no one is ~even working on~ reverse-engineering today
1168972;1434748521;ascii_field;e.g., various old intel chipsets
1168973;1434748560;ascii_field;i bought a spiffy-looking fanless 486 box some weeks ago, for playing gamez
1168974;1434748564;trinque;ascii_field: no value in collecting say "pre-9/11" hardware?
1168975;1434748566;ascii_field;turned out, it lacks a bios battery
1168976;1434748572;ascii_field;as in, literally no place to emplace it
1168977;1434748573;trinque;asking genuinely, perhaps there's not
1168978;1434748603;ascii_field;trinque: depends very much on whether you can distinguish genuinely valuable things from the kind of garbage i was describing just now
1168979;1434748636;ascii_field;to finish the story, i dug for data sheets for the 'ali' chipset found therein, in hopes of affixing something like a 'cmos battery' - and found, unsurprisingly, nothing
1168980;1434748653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34401 @ 0.00042685 = 14.6841 BTC [-] {2} 
1168981;1434748663;ascii_field;i would like 486 but not if i have to set up the disk thing every time it turns on.
1168982;1434748707;shinohai;@ ascii_field what are your thoughts on this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer
1168983;1434748708;assbot;CHIP - The World's First Nine Dollar Computer by Next Thing Co. — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITUu7W )
1168984;1434748715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6649 @ 0.00041705 = 2.773 BTC [-]
1168985;1434748721;ascii_field;shinohai: idiocy
1168986;1434748749;shinohai;I'd rather build something on my own when I haz knowledge
1168987;1434748751;ascii_field;shinohai: chip is available now, on other boards. yet another 'arm', nothing remarkable about it
1168988;1434748761;*;ascii_field fucking hates 'arm'
1168989;1434748836;shinohai;I can do the same thing with any discarded android, with enuf time
1168990;1434748895;ascii_field;thing is a turd, from the black-box cpu (all 'arm' are builds of opaque licensed blob from uk) to the 'systemd' shit ecosystem that will run on top
1168991;1434748924;shinohai;I <3 Debian but the bloated systemd kills me
1168992;1434748938;trinque;shinohai: try mod6's gentoo build maybe
1168993;1434748948;trinque;has most of the bullshit removed via USE
1168994;1434748985;shinohai;@ trinque I am a dumb fuck that knows nothing about gentoo. I wish I could so I could slap Luke Jr in da face.
1168995;1434749008;trinque;the guide is directly aimed at noobs
1168996;1434749098;shinohai;ping mod6
1168997;1434749216;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1168998;1434749219;trinque;!s mod6 http:
1168999;1434749220;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+http%3A
1169000;1434749233;trinque;!s mod6 http
1169001;1434749234;assbot;398 results for 'mod6 http' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+http
1169002;1434749243;trinque;shinohai: top result
1169003;1434749629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00042897 = 5.0618 BTC [+]
1169004;1434749934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37682 @ 0.00042897 = 16.1644 BTC [+]
1169005;1434750666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17949 @ 0.00044186 = 7.9309 BTC [+] {2} 
1169006;1434751692;mod6;!up ascii_field
1169007;1434751715;mod6;trinque: need a link?
1169008;1434751731;ascii_field;back to the 'plz recommend standard hardware that isn't retarded' thing - i can't help but rub in the point here, that we are playing 'junkyard wars'
1169009;1434751735;trinque;mod6: pulled it from teh logz for shinohai
1169010;1434751746;mod6;ok np. just checkin
1169011;1434751749;ascii_field;there ~is not a good answer~ to this question
1169012;1434751763;ascii_field;in the words of orlov, 'try asking a different question, to which there may be an answer'
1169013;1434752032;decimation;ascii_field: re: JTRS < lolfest of usg spending on academitardation
1169014;1434752061;ascii_field;decimation: afaik 100% of usg code that actually ~works~ is 1995 and prior
1169015;1434752073;trinque;ascii_field: my aim is to have something upon which to build buttcoind repeatably
1169016;1434752093;decimation;it's almost dead predictable every time a new tech cycle comes around: usg spends $bil on 'new tech that will save lots of money', fails any gains, actual people working in the field are displaced by carpetbaggers
1169017;1434752101;trinque;after which who knows, I might dare dabble in C++ for the second time in my career
1169018;1434752107;trinque;I've avoided the shit like the plague otherwise
1169019;1434752138;trinque;I have no delusions about having a generally useful computer this decade
1169020;1434752139;decimation;ascii_field: yes, radios that are designed to work as radios rather than platonic ideals of radios do tend to work well
1169021;1434752170;decimation;plus, once you are paying $bil to corba and java developers, they are not gonna listen to some rf engineer who knows about radios
1169022;1434752430;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> turned out, it lacks a bios battery << oh i recall those shitty boards.
1169023;1434752448;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this thing started life as a winblows-ce (yes) graphical terminal
1169024;1434752460;decimation;ascii_field, others: related>
1169025;1434752462;decimation;http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_nuclear_bombers_lack_satellite_terminals_for_emergencies_999.html
1169026;1434752464;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHctFE )
1169027;1434752493;mircea_popescu;there was a huge cost to, basically, gavinize computers around that time. it's how "mmx" processors came about, and "streamlined" mobos with no batteries etc.
1169028;1434752499;mircea_popescu;it went nowhere, ftr.
1169029;1434752504;mircea_popescu;as all these idiocies ever do.
1169030;1434752513;mircea_popescu;(the "cheap laptop" thing being a recent example)
1169031;1434752521;decimation;mmx is a streaming extension to x86 for processing floating point
1169032;1434752526;ascii_field;except then it becomes ubiquitous
1169033;1434752531;ascii_field;piecemeal
1169034;1434752539;decimation;it's been 'upgraded' 3 more times
1169035;1434752568;mircea_popescu;decimation no no, there was a shitty series of 486 processors
1169036;1434752580;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is thinking of 486dx
1169037;1434752585;ascii_field;(sx rather)
1169038;1434752588;mircea_popescu;oh right right
1169039;1434752595;decimation;yeah the sx was without the floating point unit I think
1169040;1434752597;mircea_popescu;i got the letters wrong
1169041;1434752598;ascii_field;where they snipped the fpu
1169042;1434752602;mircea_popescu;ya
1169043;1434752609;decimation;yeah that's fucktarded
1169044;1434752635;decimation;note the divorce between marketing and technologists
1169045;1434752639;mircea_popescu;aye.
1169046;1434752645;mircea_popescu;this was purely a marketing concoction
1169047;1434752662;mircea_popescu;"because technocomputerology is not masses accessible sufficiently!111"
1169048;1434752667;mircea_popescu;ended up... losing money.
1169049;1434752720;mircea_popescu;How Stars Like Cara Delevingne, Kristen Stewart, & Miley Cyrus Are Leading the Gender Fluid Movement for Millennials << who the fuck are these "stars" ?
1169050;1434752733;ascii_field;a usual gambit is to try to 'luxurify the ordinary' by getting folks used to a crippled item, then re-introducing the missing bits
1169051;1434752738;mircea_popescu;more importantly, how do we know it's not "buncha anon hags are driving the star-fluid movement, wherein everyone thinks they're a star"
1169052;1434752749;decimation;^
1169053;1434752762;decimation;for instance this dre fellow thinks he knows how to engineer headphones
1169054;1434752764;mircea_popescu;srsly, cara delevingne ?
1169055;1434752769;mircea_popescu;what is this, avril lavigne v2.0 ?
1169056;1434752775;mircea_popescu;is this actually a person even ?
1169057;1434752777;decimation;add a few ounces of metal to the cheapass plastic; charge $200
1169058;1434752793;decimation;apple buys you for $3 bil
1169059;1434752802;mircea_popescu;which you can't spend.
1169060;1434752804;trinque;speaks volumes on apple's present state
1169061;1434752818;decimation;you can spend some of it, maybe
1169062;1434752828;decimation;at any rate the irs definitely taxes your shit on it, even if unspendable
1169063;1434752840;mircea_popescu;omfg! i totally called it. ITS THE SAME LIFTED PHOTOS GUYSE!
1169064;1434752889;mircea_popescu;http://www.google.com/search?q=Cara+Delevingne&complete=0&tbm=isch&sa=X vs http://www.google.com/search?q=Avril+Lavigne&complete=0&tbm=isch&sa=X vs
1169065;1434752890;assbot;Cara Delevingne - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdbCO )
1169066;1434752891;assbot;Avril Lavigne - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdbCU )
1169067;1434752903;decimation;I thought it was well known that anything to do with 'popular music' is essentially nothing more than a marketing chumpatron
1169068;1434752920;mircea_popescu;apparently
1169069;1434752932;trinque;they take a skinny white chick and feed her into the machine every other year
1169070;1434752959;mircea_popescu;different ones ?
1169071;1434752966;trinque;clone army maybe
1169072;1434752982;decimation;sometimes it helps if she has singing talent, but it's not that important
1169073;1434753015;decimation;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/10/obama-cracks-down-on-airplane-emissions-buys-massive-new-air-force-one/ < Taxpayers currently spend $206,337 for every flight hour aboard Air Force One.
1169074;1434753016;assbot;Obama Cracks Down on Airplane Emissions, Buys Massive New Air Force One - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdptC )
1169075;1434753016;trinque;decimation: they don't even make 'em do that r&b yodel anymore
1169076;1434753016;mircea_popescu;so i guess they decided they could make more money by keeping fewer clone tanks
1169077;1434753019;mircea_popescu;and call it "gender fluid" ?
1169078;1434753026;trinque;just autotune the shit and put some buzzing synth in there
1169079;1434753043;decimation;greenspun: "(compare to about $25,000 per flight hour to charter (source)). If American Airlines spent this much during the 7-hour flight from London to Boston it would cost $1.44 million for the trip in operating cost (i.e., not including the capital cost of the aircraft) or about $3500 per passenger (i.e., a round-trip coach ticket couldn?t be sold for less than about $7000 plus taxes and fees)."
1169080;1434753101;mircea_popescu;and they sell for... about that ?
1169081;1434753110;mircea_popescu;sooo... ? his point being that airlines are robbing us blind ?
1169082;1434753151;decimation;no his point is that obama's airplane is
1169083;1434753165;decimation;actual round trip ticket to london is like $1k
1169084;1434753168;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168172 << isn't casual racism an oxymoron, like temporary death or sunday religiosity ?
1169085;1434753168;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 22:36:07; mats: casual racism is the norm here
1169086;1434753175;decimation;so somehow air force one costs 7x regular airliner
1169087;1434753183;mircea_popescu;decimation first class or chimp class ?
1169088;1434753196;decimation;I assume chimp class
1169089;1434753200;mircea_popescu;you don't actually want the president to travel with the immigrands ?
1169090;1434753208;decimation;other presidents do
1169091;1434753215;mircea_popescu;but for this reason.
1169092;1434753225;decimation;I think the uk prime minister flys on british airways
1169093;1434753244;mircea_popescu;but the uk is a sort of egypt.
1169094;1434753248;mircea_popescu;"used to be a great empire"
1169095;1434753298;*;decimation was unaware that svelte transport on grand air-sedan (powered by pure slave money) was needed for greatness 
1169096;1434753309;trinque;hell, sounds kinda fun though
1169097;1434753313;mircea_popescu;svelte means thin
1169098;1434753324;ascii_field;i've been reading an autobiography of hans baur, best known as hitler's pilot. he spoke of various folks he had flown, and described how king of bulgaria flew part of a trip with him, then caught an ordinary train
1169099;1434753329;ascii_field;real mindfuck to modern eyes
1169100;1434753357;mircea_popescu;i think modern eyes still understand bulgaria's a shithole.
1169101;1434753363;decimation;ascii_field: the best part of that 20 juli movie with tom cruise were the scenes with hitler's planes
1169102;1434753371;trinque;sounds like folksy pandering
1169103;1434753400;decimation;apparently it was an actual Ju-52 that still flies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_52#/media/File:Ju-Air_Junkers_Ju-52_in_flight_over_Austria.jpg
1169104;1434753401;assbot;Junkers Ju 52 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHdYn8 )
1169105;1434753422;mircea_popescu;what was that rocket plane they had, he something
1169106;1434753426;trinque;among the waste in usg, air force one is way in the long tail
1169107;1434753439;ascii_field;fuhrer did not fly in rocket plane.
1169108;1434753447;trinque;and look what happened to him
1169109;1434753450;trinque;dead!
1169110;1434753454;mircea_popescu;trinque im still in shock someone proposed 7k a seat as outrageous. i must be buying in all the wrong places.
1169111;1434753473;decimation;actually $7k per seat is about right for business/first class
1169112;1434753480;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: add another zero and you can lounge in the entire plane
1169113;1434753483;trinque;I'm not a rich guy or head of state, but seems either merits better shuffling around than what I use
1169114;1434753492;mircea_popescu;maybe double, but certainly not the 10 to 100x the article would need it to be
1169115;1434753513;mircea_popescu;maybe someone blew up their math somewhere ?
1169116;1434753516;ascii_field;add yet another 0 and... buy the machine
1169117;1434753531;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what machine you're gonna buy for 700k again ?
1169118;1434753535;decimation;well, you also gotta realize that when air force one is flying, there is usually a fleet of other aircraft for car, plane, etc
1169119;1434753539;trinque;!up ascii_field
1169120;1434753544;mircea_popescu;you intend to fly the guy in an old antonov birotor ?
1169121;1434753558;mircea_popescu;decimation then it's a not very well written/researched article ?
1169122;1434753590;decimation;Greenspun was just making the side point that the aircraft is relatively expensive to operate compared to others in its class
1169123;1434753599;mircea_popescu;but it came out the other way around.
1169124;1434753758;decimation;it might be confusing, but he points out that a 747 costs about $25k per hour for everything
1169125;1434753761;decimation;so it's about 10x
1169126;1434753790;decimation;who knows how that cost is calculated, because an arbitrary number of usg throne-keepers could be bundled
1169127;1434753826;mircea_popescu;so is the idea something like "it costs 10x more to move this one guy than to move these 450 other guys" ?
1169128;1434753900;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168198 << ahahaha. wut teh fuck
1169129;1434753900;assbot;Logged on 18-06-2015 22:59:55; cazalla: for a moment i was like.. why would jurov not give qntra the scoop? http://www.coindesk.com/latin-america-coinbr-acquires-coinverse/
1169130;1434754051;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168270 << the clean coins trading thing was a major enabler of the original ponzi (pirate's)
1169131;1434754051;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 00:49:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168261 << hypothetical twist: whole thing is a front by chinese miners, anxious to sell certifiably 'clean' coin to gullible schmucks at a premium
1169132;1434754074;mircea_popescu;because at that time, had he not also run a "buy new coinbases from miners at 110% "business" on the side, people would have noticed they're being paid with their own coins.
1169133;1434754074;ascii_field;how ?
1169134;1434754079;ascii_field;ah
1169135;1434754091;ascii_field;ergo 'taint' exists.
1169136;1434754096;ascii_field;at least for some special cases
1169137;1434754128;mircea_popescu;yes, for the special case where you're running a ponzi equal to the monetary mass.
1169138;1434754132;ascii_field;and it is not hard to establish that a heavy share of miners operates at a loss
1169139;1434754140;ascii_field;so there ought to be a reason for it
1169140;1434754153;mircea_popescu;most oil refineries also operate at a loss.
1169141;1434754181;mircea_popescu;generally, most infrastructure in all times and places operates at a loss, which is why commodification is not particularly welcomed by business people, which is how you get apple.
1169142;1434754194;mircea_popescu;and bad software, and everyone wanting to make their own web app and so on
1169143;1434754206;ascii_field;!s pay for the sun
1169144;1434754207;assbot;4 results for 'pay for the sun' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pay+for+the+sun
1169145;1434754271;cazalla;https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/146757
1169146;1434754275;assbot;Our provider, hosteurope.de shut down our servers due to "political incorrectness" | announcements ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHfaXT )
1169147;1434754287;mircea_popescu;heh/
1169148;1434754370;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168292 << for flavour, "piu piu" is the chirp sound of birds in romanian.
1169149;1434754370;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 02:03:34; asciilifeform: 'The PiuPiu oversharing site allows users to create PiuPiu accounts and post 140-character messages. The federal government wants PiuPiu to surveil user activity on the site, by archiving any posts that match certain patterns outlined in a national security letter. Subject to the nondisclosure constraints of the letter, PiuPiu may not inform anyone of the surveillance request.'
1169150;1434754385;mircea_popescu;and what a chicklet does is "piuie", ie, "makes the piu sound"
1169151;1434754399;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: speaking of, notice that 2014 medalist is (nominally) chick
1169152;1434754404;mircea_popescu;aha.
1169153;1434754422;mircea_popescu;mg cto is also, factually, chick.
1169154;1434754448;mircea_popescu;lack of women in tech is not a problem of women or of tech, but merely of a bunch of dorks going around looking for women in tech in the garbage. well duh, why'd they be in the garbage ?
1169155;1434754452;mircea_popescu;teenage boys go in the garbage.
1169156;1434754508;mircea_popescu;(this is actually an anciend graham post, i subscribe entirely)
1169157;1434754521;mircea_popescu;!s Cichlid
1169158;1434754521;assbot;2 results for 'Cichlid' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Cichlid
1169159;1434754562;ascii_field;'A lot more men than women choose to do seemingly irrational things such as become petty criminals, fly homebuilt helicopters, play video games, and keep tropical fish as pets (98 percent of the attendees at the American Cichlid Association convention that I last attended were male). Should we be surprised that it is mostly men who spend 10 years banging their heads against an equation-filled blackboard in hopes of
1169160;1434754562;ascii_field;landing a $35,000/year post-doc job?'
1169161;1434754589;mircea_popescu;aye. 2nd result.
1169162;1434754603;ascii_field;greenspun btw
1169163;1434754605;ascii_field;not graham
1169164;1434754607;ben_vulpes;re: accounts thread and data structures, this imho is why the change addr behavior mneeds a zappin
1169165;1434754610;mircea_popescu;oh right. my bad.
1169166;1434754636;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i could shoot the change-addr thing in the head in ten minutes, but mircea_popescu wants to keep it for some reason
1169167;1434754668;mircea_popescu;"some reason" => "let's keep changes to a needed minimum"
1169168;1434754743;ben_vulpes;is the incurred complexity needed?
1169169;1434754756;ascii_field;personally i see the random-change-addr thing to be as screamingly retarded as memory leak
1169170;1434754776;ascii_field;i'd like to see someone present a coherent argument for the negative here
1169171;1434754778;ben_vulpes;i suppose you'd have us leave testnet in as well
1169172;1434754815;mircea_popescu;the argument was presented last we discussed this. "you can do the things you want to do once you've done the things that must be done and the result works"
1169173;1434754821;mircea_popescu;no dessert as of so far.
1169174;1434754920;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168374 << quite exactly. fine example of the bezzle moral hazard.
1169175;1434754920;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 04:19:54; decimation: mats: the beats thing still pisses me off
1169176;1434754967;ascii_field;this - sure
1169177;1434754982;ascii_field;but is there an argument actually in favour of the mechanism ?
1169178;1434755002;ben_vulpes;moreover, what all is in this list of 'must be done'?
1169179;1434755042;mircea_popescu;anyway, i agree they're stupid. originally it was "they must go out because they break backups". turned out they don't. now it's "they should go out because they're stupid", which is valid, but also an aesthetic judgement. we're not at aesthetics yet. but eventually, whole wallet scheme needs to be made by someone who's not retarded in the fucking head.
1169180;1434755060;ben_vulpes;wai wut how do they not break backups.
1169181;1434755068;mircea_popescu;!s a process
1169182;1434755069;assbot;559 results for 'a process' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+process
1169183;1434755119;ben_vulpes;oh because a wallet is really a collection of the inputs that a key or set of keys can sign on and so a 'wallet' in the satoshi client parlance is actually not back=up-able if in use?
1169184;1434755126;mircea_popescu;no.
1169185;1434755241;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168397 << because idiots "should have money too", then there's an infinity of them, before you know it they drive the market. "inequality" is actually a stupid word to describe a functional society, where shit is not being promoted by shitheads.
1169186;1434755241;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 04:28:39; decimation: funkenstein_: yeah I know, people here bitch about the lack of 'adult' products.  glitzy candy beats serious in the market every time
1169187;1434755287;mircea_popescu;the only way for the hundred million idiots to not impose their britney spears over anything and everything else is for the hundred million to not have as much as a single cent disposable income.
1169188;1434755310;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168375 < actually sennheiser is meh. here i have a 20$ headphones that beat the shit out of 200 and 350$ sennheisers.
1169189;1434755310;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 04:20:12; decimation: a company like sennheiser makes actual headphones, with specifications and everything
1169190;1434755372;mod6;!up ascii_field
1169191;1434755410;ascii_field;afaik 'good headphone' does not exist
1169192;1434755415;ascii_field;any more than 'good laptop'
1169193;1434755419;kakobrekla;correct.
1169194;1434755439;ascii_field;i put on a 30k set of electrostatic phones in a linguistics lab. air piles to ears instead of wires. still meh.
1169195;1434755448;ascii_field;*air pipes
1169196;1434755460;kakobrekla;senn orpheus ?
1169197;1434755463;mircea_popescu;btw, did we discuss the dude that drove an armored vehicle into some texas something or the other ?
1169198;1434755559;trinque;http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one
1169199;1434755560;assbot;DALLAS POLICE SHOOTING: ‘Zombie Apocalypse Assault Vehicle and Troop Transport’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sx98Gy )
1169200;1434755566;trinque;oh texas, how I love you
1169201;1434755582;mircea_popescu;lol
1169202;1434755688;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168484 << lol pretty good.
1169203;1434755688;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 08:06:30; copypaste: they flipped their shit when i told them in the US that if their boyfriends took the pictures that means the boyfriends own the pictures and only they can write DMCAs
1169204;1434755691;ascii_field;kakobrekla: nah, it was long ago
1169205;1434755705;kakobrekla;anyway if anyone is out for headies, 20$ 'superlux 681' will blow away senn hd650 like nothing.
1169206;1434755708;mircea_popescu;somehow "if you made a business you don't own that business", yet "if you have a pair of tits it's your pair of tits"
1169207;1434755712;mircea_popescu;well nao!
1169208;1434755741;kakobrekla;they are a chinas copy of some akg model
1169209;1434755763;kakobrekla;taht got lucky with the end result.
1169210;1434755864;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168522 << i've had bear.
1169211;1434755864;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 08:22:09; cazalla: you've had bear?
1169212;1434755999;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168563 << i absolutely despise tofu.
1169213;1434755999;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 08:51:42; mats: tofu is kind of an analogue for real chinese cuisine
1169214;1434756065;mircea_popescu;in truth i don't care much about most chinese cuisine either, but not because it'd be bland. because they can't cook. some stuff is actually excellent, but plenty of stuff is "hey, let's throw everything in the kitchen in the same pot. vinegar, oil, sugar, what the hell."
1169215;1434756114;cazalla;agreed, but i didn't want to offend him so i did not mention this heh
1169216;1434756131;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168568 << i can always tell, because of the tell-tale "metallic" aftertaste a half hour to an hour later, coming from all the exhausted overfired neurons.
1169217;1434756131;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 08:59:21; mats: msg presents differently in various things
1169218;1434756131;scoopbot_revived;Bryan Micon To Return To Las Vegas To Face Charge http://qntra.net/2015/06/bryan-micon-to-return-to-las-vegas-to-face-charge/
1169219;1434756185;mircea_popescu;cazalla that said, a chinese guy had a decent restaurant a mile from my place in ro (actually, conference went there). guy made some incredible baked eggplant
1169220;1434756272;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168587 << people asking these types of questions have not done their reading.
1169221;1434756272;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 10:54:47; wyrdmantis: I was asked if there is a "defense" plan to "isolate" the Bitcoin XT nodes or something similar. I thought this is a non-issue for you guys...
1169222;1434756308;mircea_popescu;this shit redditards pull where they go about blathering for three months and then pretend like nothing happened and questions can be asked as if just discovered may work on reddit, but it'll give all of them a busted lip irl.
1169223;1434756317;mats;im inclined to say you've rarely had legit chinese cuisine, and if you did and still feel that way... you have an unrefined palette
1169224;1434756331;mircea_popescu;the entire "consensus" bullshit collapsed because i said back in january exactly what the plan is.
1169225;1434756345;mircea_popescu;mats how could i evaluate this ?
1169226;1434756360;mats;chinese folks have had thousands of years of recorded history to develop recipes
1169227;1434756369;mircea_popescu;for instance - i never ate chinese food in places not owned and operated by chinese people.
1169228;1434756392;mats;can't, food is a personal matter. you don't like what you don't like. cultural context notwithstanding
1169229;1434756400;mircea_popescu;mats and cats have had millions of years to develop fishing implements.
1169230;1434756411;mircea_popescu;not necessarily a cogent argument.
1169231;1434756414;mats;alright, man
1169232;1434756642;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168597 << im not so sure the replace by fee thing is intelligent.
1169233;1434756642;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 17:17:56; BingoBoingo: tldr: Pool implements a replace by fee patch, derps herp because it means People can double spend before the transaction is committed to a block!
1169234;1434757115;mircea_popescu;mats while food is obviously a personal matter, whether one has legit or not legit X food should be verifiable experimentally neh ?
1169235;1434757304;mats;sure. on the other hand, you are a white man, and server or chef might choose to whitewash the meal to appeal to some sense of your palette
1169236;1434757332;mats;but that's unlikely.
1169237;1434757376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22901 @ 0.00045837 = 10.4971 BTC [+]
1169238;1434757434;cazalla;that also doesn't really fit with yum cha and the one i ate at was full of chinese so you'd think it was the good one
1169239;1434757437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00045139 = 9.6372 BTC [-]
1169240;1434757444;mats;anyway not really a productive discussion, i don't enjoy thai food but i recognize it takes skill
1169241;1434757450;mircea_popescu;well i never ate anything in china, that's for sure.
1169242;1434757466;mircea_popescu;i have no doubt it's food, ie, a product of human industry.
1169243;1434757479;cazalla;mats, i love thai food.. i have a kaffir lime just for this alone
1169244;1434757501;mircea_popescu;ironically, my first exposure to azn cooking was in a thai restaurant
1169245;1434757505;mircea_popescu;i had... the sushi :D
1169246;1434757515;mats;...why
1169247;1434757521;mircea_popescu;because im weird.
1169248;1434757532;mircea_popescu;i dunno, just, what i orderer
1169249;1434757537;mircea_popescu;ordered*
1169250;1434757576;mircea_popescu;(this was on the boston wharf, so a seafood choice perhaps more easy to understand)
1169251;1434757654;mats;hmm
1169252;1434757738;mats;i think ill have a lobster roll this weekend
1169253;1434757885;mircea_popescu;lobster roles.
1169254;1434757924;trinque;I identify as lobster; this is offensive.
1169255;1434758014;cazalla;you'll be needing yourself a lobster girl then trinque
1169256;1434758584;mircea_popescu;best pray ~i~ don't identify you as lobster/
1169257;1434758588;Adlai;i'm code literate in java << they've really been lowering the bar eh
1169258;1434758604;Adlai;used to be you needed to write a macro to get your shilly wings
1169259;1434758654;mircea_popescu;honestly i never saw someoine who could code call themselves "code literate in x". sounds more like something i'd say.
1169260;1434758711;Adlai;fwiw that nick means "dark pig"
1169261;1434759283;scoopbot_revived;Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/
1169262;1434759589;asciilifeform;wtf does 'code literate' mean
1169263;1434759635;asciilifeform;for instance, i've met folks who 'i know c' but cannot tell me how 'duff's device' works
1169264;1434759659;asciilifeform;( http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/duffs-device.html << for n00bz)
1169265;1434759660;assbot;Tom Duff on Duff's Device ... ( http://bit.ly/1RhZZPQ )
1169266;1434759910;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169198 << umpteenth 'usg vs. clinically retarded schmuck' match. wake me up when the 'usg vs. smart folks' match is being played.
1169267;1434759910;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 23:12:39; trinque: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one
1169268;1434760028;mircea_popescu;"A second poster tried the test, but botched the implementation, proving only that with diligence it is possible to make anything run slowly."
1169269;1434760029;mircea_popescu;win
1169270;1434760111;asciilifeform;duff's device is ~3 wks older than i am.
1169271;1434760168;mircea_popescu;bang emailpaths too
1169272;1434760172;asciilifeform;http://everything2.com/title/Duff%2527s+device << see also.
1169273;1434760174;assbot;Duff's device - Everything2.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ri0Ujk )
1169274;1434760174;mircea_popescu;ah lordy.
1169275;1434760232;mircea_popescu;From research!ucbvax!dagobah!td  Sun Nov 13 07:35:46 1983
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1169278;1434760235;mircea_popescu;three fuckenb days.
1169279;1434760255;asciilifeform;hey, usenet.
1169280;1434760265;asciilifeform;3, or 33, just the same.
1169281;1434760365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00041736 = 15.8805 BTC [-] {2} 
1169282;1434760449;mircea_popescu;"It amazes me that after 10 years of writing C there are still little corners that I haven't explored fully.  "
1169283;1434760450;mircea_popescu;top kek
1169284;1434760479;asciilifeform;'corners of c' are not unlike 'corners of chess'
1169285;1434760561;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "how it works" anyway ? cheaper to compare than to iterate.
1169286;1434760586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: many n00bs begin with 'wtf how does this even compile'
1169287;1434760599;mircea_popescu;why shouldn't it compile ?
1169288;1434760634;*;asciilifeform was not one of them, cannot answer
1169289;1434760678;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169180 << my objection is not 'breaks backups', but 'breaks brainwallets'
1169290;1434760678;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 23:04:20; ben_vulpes: wai wut how do they not break backups.
1169291;1434760679;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169188 < yeah sennheiser has gone down in quality over the past few years too, they have to try to milk the idiot-herd too I guess
1169292;1434760679;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 23:08:30; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1168375 < actually sennheiser is meh. here i have a 20$ headphones that beat the shit out of 200 and 350$ sennheisers.
1169293;1434760686;asciilifeform;(see recent 'brainwallet' thread)
1169294;1434760704;mircea_popescu;is it because they imagien that the "do" only exists in case 0
1169295;1434760712;mircea_popescu;and otherwise there's a "dangling while" ?
1169296;1434760720;mircea_popescu;this isn't how the compilers [used to] work
1169297;1434760751;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1169298;1434760761;asciilifeform;'wires cross that must not cross' or the like.
1169299;1434760773;mircea_popescu;actually i appreciate now why you mentioned it
1169300;1434760785;asciilifeform;breaks some folks' mental model of c
1169301;1434760788;mircea_popescu;this is a subtle but perhaps excellent test for distinguishing the categories you proposed
1169302;1434760794;asciilifeform;there we go
1169303;1434760804;*;asciilifeform appreciates mircea_popescu's quickness on the uptake
1169304;1434760813;mircea_popescu;"they who imagine the computer is god" from "they who imagine the computer is this tramp they picked up hitchhiking and will fcuk her a little before cutting her up to pieces"
1169305;1434760823;asciilifeform;^ this and precisely this
1169306;1434760830;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the original babbage wonderment is perhaps the first clash of the two
1169307;1434760846;mircea_popescu;"why should the machine put out the right numbers regardless ?!?! BECAUSE IT IS THE MACHINE"
1169308;1434760884;asciilifeform;the ultimate stage of this development is to realize that the tramp was already dead, cut up by a long series of maniacs previously, and one's job is to in fact stitch its parts together into a frankensteinian creature of one's own conception
1169309;1434760909;mircea_popescu;before fucking her a while before cutting her up again
1169310;1434760914;asciilifeform;naturally.
1169311;1434760915;asciilifeform;how else.
1169312;1434760974;asciilifeform;of course, folks who regularly deal with the output of c compiler cannot be surprised by duff's device
1169313;1434760992;mircea_popescu;actually, any half good lawyer wouldnt be surprised either.
1169314;1434760997;mircea_popescu;this is exactly how law works too.
1169315;1434760998;asciilifeform;the 'mystery moment' only exists for those who began their study with c or similar
1169316;1434761031;decimation;the confusing thing to me is the closure in the middle of the switch
1169317;1434761032;asciilifeform;'language lawyer' is a term of art for a reason.
1169318;1434761034;mircea_popescu;but it is a powerful indictment of the "colored bits" concept. because lo! the compiler doth NOT CARE whence this executionable bitcoin went. merely what it says
1169319;1434761043;mircea_popescu;if the while has where to return, it is happy.
1169320;1434761045;asciilifeform;aha.
1169321;1434761076;asciilifeform;sorta like the machine doesn't care if such-and-such is getting jumped to because a d00d munged the return address through buffer overflow, etc
1169322;1434761083;asciilifeform;!s cold equations
1169323;1434761084;assbot;16 results for 'cold equations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cold+equations
1169324;1434761097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00041553 = 22.8334 BTC [-] {4} 
1169325;1434761098;decimation;I guess if it compiles and produces machine code, machine will execute
1169326;1434761098;asciilifeform;^ the basic story of the whole 'camel hump' thing, long before pc
1169327;1434761128;mircea_popescu;decimation the only way that wouldn't compile is if you specifically put custom code in tyh4e compiler to complain about it
1169328;1434761143;mircea_popescu;and i bet you for any bayesian filter you can come up with someone can find a circumventer
1169329;1434761225;decimation;yeah, no compiler/static checker can possibly consider all cases
1169330;1434761260;decimation;any more than enumerate all possible chess 'corners'
1169331;1434761364;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number < shannon and others estimated number of chess positions to be around 2^155
1169332;1434761365;assbot;Shannon number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TClmPN )
1169333;1434761372;mircea_popescu;that said, it's prolly a safe bet that contemporary compilers do in fact complain
1169334;1434761374;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1169335;1434761391;mircea_popescu;(about trivial cases, obviously)
1169336;1434761454;mircea_popescu;anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl.
1169337;1434761471;decimation;gcc swallows it without complaint
1169338;1434761492;mircea_popescu;was thinking more like visualc / msvc / whatever
1169339;1434761764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "Police disabled the vehicle with a .50 caliber rifle shot to the engine block."
1169340;1434761769;decimation;"I cannot quote chapter and verse, but Larry Rosler, who was chairman of the language subcommittee (I think), has assured me that X3J11 considered it carefully and decided that it was legal."
1169341;1434761782;mircea_popescu;you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet.
1169342;1434761792;mircea_popescu;i dun wanna hear any more bitching about that gun
1169343;1434761917;decimation;https://web.archive.org/web/20070106181008/http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/08/02/152847.php < nearly 50 years ago, before swat teams, police just asked local folks come with their guns and help
1169344;1434761919;assbot;Charles Whitman and Futureshock 40 Years Later @ Blogcritics.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCmkvg )
1169345;1434761970;mircea_popescu;well, a posse
1169346;1434761973;decimation;"What struck me as most fascinating were the accounts from several sources of how the police dealt with the lack of covering fire that a SWAT team would provide today. They just went to citizens in the area and asked them to bring their rifles and shoot at the tower, and they all went to their pickups, got their deer rifles and did what they could to help."
1169347;1434761981;decimation;"Their covering fire kept Whitman down and limited him to shooting through a drain opening, pretty much stopping the killing and giving officers the opportunity to get into the building. The officers also deputized one of the citizens to go with them into the tower to give them a bit more firepower, although he didn't end up facing Whitman.
1169348;1434762089;decimation;they probably didnt' use a .50 DE, they probably had a proper anti-material rifle
1169349;1434762134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.0004272 = 23.4319 BTC [+] {2} 
1169350;1434762231;*;mircea_popescu doesn't think so.
1169351;1434762260;mircea_popescu;iirc amr .5 is a russian idea.
1169352;1434762278;mircea_popescu;nato fires 99mm
1169353;1434762294;decimation;I doubt a .50 action express has enough power to penetrate armor
1169354;1434762348;trinque;   asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2015#1169198 << umpteenth 'usg vs. clinically retarded schmuck' match. wake me up when the 'usg vs. smart folks' match is being played. << weather's getting hotter all the time
1169355;1434762348;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 23:12:39; trinque: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting-zombie-apocalypse-assault-vehicle-and-troop-transport/ << looks to be the one
1169356;1434762382;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah but the desert eagle round is only 33 mm long
1169357;1434762410;decimation;has about 10x less energy
1169358;1434762520;decimation;http://controversialtimes.com/news/dallas-gunman-killed-by-single-shot-from-snipers-50-caliber-rifle/ < was .50 bmg rifle
1169359;1434762522;assbot;Dallas Gunman Killed by Single Shot from Sniper’s .50 Caliber Rifle ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCnyXm )
1169360;1434762527;trinque;joe stack et al, glory to them all
1169361;1434762561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00041203 = 11.3102 BTC [-] {2} 
1169362;1434762608;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169341 << no!! 'barrett.' standard issue in usa to police since a few yrs ago
1169363;1434762608;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 00:56:22; mircea_popescu: you know what happened. some lt in that preceinct had a .5 DE in his special closet.
1169364;1434762619;asciilifeform;precisely for occasions like this
1169365;1434762640;asciilifeform;if anyone recalls, a while ago i posted photos from my town's police expo. they had just such a rifle, and introduced it as 'for cars'
1169366;1434762682;decimation;yes and the armor piercing .50 bmg rounds are common.
1169367;1434762695;decimation;I have a friend who has one, they are fairly common among shooting enthusiasts
1169368;1434762704;asciilifeform;a little costly
1169369;1434762706;asciilifeform;but available
1169370;1434762712;decimation;yeah
1169371;1434762725;decimation;he told me the cheapest way to get ammo is to buy usg surplus
1169372;1434762732;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG#/media/File:Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg << far left of photo
1169373;1434762732;assbot;.50 BMG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IplYzm )
1169374;1434762743;decimation;apparently after the round is shipped too many times, the powder becomes too fine and burns off too quickly
1169375;1434762752;decimation;usg sells shell as surplus, can reload yourself
1169376;1434762788;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express#/media/File:50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg << left side - the cartridge mircea_popescu may have been thinking of
1169377;1434762788;assbot;.50 Action Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ipm61Q )
1169378;1434762829;asciilifeform;iirc it was pitched for 'big game'
1169379;1434762838;decimation;the .50 ae?
1169380;1434762841;asciilifeform;aha
1169381;1434762846;decimation;it's not really strong enough for that either
1169382;1434762855;decimation;maybe at really close range
1169383;1434762908;asciilifeform;there are a few ludicrously heavy pistols that fire .50ae. for some reason mircea_popescu seems to like'em.
1169384;1434762941;decimation;maybe he spent his youth playing counterstrike
1169385;1434763030;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169352 << 99mm would be a cannon shell - if it existed
1169386;1434763030;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 01:04:38; mircea_popescu: nato fires 99mm
1169387;1434763044;asciilifeform;(perhaps mircea_popescu was thinking of famous nazi '88' ?)
1169388;1434763047;decimation;I assume he meant .50x99mm
1169389;1434763080;asciilifeform;ah
1169390;1434763127;asciilifeform;ru version has same, iirc, bullet, but 108mm shell
1169391;1434763130;asciilifeform;(why? ask'em not me)
1169392;1434763239;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently the marine snipers use .308 with only 1000 yards range http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/why-the-marines-have-failed-to-adopt-a-new-sniper-rifle-in-the-past-14-years/2015/06/13/cb924d96-0eaf-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
1169393;1434763240;assbot; Why the Marines have failed to adopt a new sniper rifle in the past 14 years - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpmuO7 )
1169394;1434763257;decimation;taliban/isil with .50 cal dshk can outrange them
1169395;1434763279;asciilifeform;in nato armies, 'sniper' is often used interchangeably with 'designated marksman' which are rather different jobs
1169396;1434763324;decimation;yeah it isn't clear if this article is about actual snipers or designated marksmen
1169397;1434763391;asciilifeform;at any rate, u.s. police love these things. for shooting through cars, boats, walls
1169398;1434763547;decimation;yeah, in this case it obviously came in handy
1169399;1434763567;decimation;but this will be the one corner case that will justify $mil in usg 'requirements'
1169400;1434763595;asciilifeform;iirc most of them were handed out to police by pentagon, for 'free' (gulfwar2 surplus)
1169401;1434763619;decimation;yeah probably
1169402;1434763634;asciilifeform;for enthusiasts - 5-8k usd.
1169403;1434763638;asciilifeform;who wants - go, buy.
1169404;1434763656;decimation;if you fill out reams of usg paperwork and file for license you can also have .50 machine gun
1169405;1434763657;asciilifeform;(usa. no idea what equiv. is elsewhere.)
1169406;1434763663;decimation;but be ready to spend $$$ for ammo
1169407;1434763673;asciilifeform;at ~5 usd / round, one has to really like the music.
1169408;1434763681;decimation;heh yeah
1169409;1434764021;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169336 << which is why http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169312
1169410;1434764021;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 00:50:54; mircea_popescu: anyway : the do doesn't exist when it appears in the code, but when the returning while is looking for it. much like the tits on the girl don't belong to the girl.
1169411;1434764021;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 00:42:54; asciilifeform: of course, folks who regularly deal with the output of c compiler cannot be surprised by duff's device
1169412;1434764041;asciilifeform;'duff's device' represents 'leaking abstraction' concept.
1169413;1434764081;asciilifeform;(it rubs the reader's face in the fact that all c control structures translate into jumps, which are quite the same as the much-maligned 'goto')
1169414;1434764136;asciilifeform;compiler won't let you cross stack frames, though
1169415;1434764144;asciilifeform;(for this, you need setjmp()...)
1169416;1434764248;asciilifeform;phun phakt: 'scheme' programming language has its 'call-with-current-continuation', perhaps the oddest and 'most generic' control structure known, which takes the current place in execution and turns it into an assignable (yes) closure (i.e. callable function!) -- typically it is implemented using setjmp().
1169417;1434764272;asciilifeform;http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/callcc.html << see also.
1169418;1434764272;assbot;A page about call/cc ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpnEZK )
1169419;1434764309;asciilifeform;call/cc reliably melts n00bs' brains when first encountered.
1169420;1434764391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29521 @ 0.00041292 = 12.1898 BTC [-]
1169421;1434764822;mircea_popescu;decimation aha right you were.
1169422;1434765166;decimation;asciilifeform: might as well set program counter directly
1169423;1434765733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44598 @ 0.00041157 = 18.3552 BTC [-] {3} 
1169424;1434766099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00040329 = 2.5811 BTC [-]
1169425;1434766709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00040024 = 7.0442 BTC [-]
1169426;1434766914;decimation;http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/airplane-stowaway-plunges-to-his-death-338044.html
1169427;1434766914;assbot;        Airplane stowaway plunges to his death | Irish Examiner ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxuUVw )
1169428;1434767868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00040013 = 12.0839 BTC [-] {2} 
1169429;1434768172;decimation;!up indiancandy1
1169430;1434768400;indiancandy1;hey bitches
1169431;1434768440;mircea_popescu;haha.
1169432;1434768445;mircea_popescu;you on xotika yet ?
1169433;1434768460;indiancandy1;were
1169434;1434768472;mircea_popescu;https://xotika.tv/
1169435;1434768473;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J9j8V5 )
1169436;1434768474;indiancandy1;mp did u run a porn business
1169437;1434768483;mircea_popescu;sort-of.
1169438;1434768502;indiancandy1;few years ago
1169439;1434768504;indiancandy1;?
1169440;1434768509;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1169441;1434768531;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1155/freeseas-inc-nasdaq-free-will-trade-at-least-0-10/#c4849 < lmao
1169442;1434768532;assbot;BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.24 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No | closed 1 day 21 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1J9jf2R )
1169443;1434768586;indiancandy1;what
1169444;1434768591;indiancandy1;what did u do
1169445;1434768601;indiancandy1;sell porn on a irc
1169446;1434768610;indiancandy1;is xotika ur thing
1169447;1434768665;indiancandy1;hello
1169448;1434768682;decimation;wtf why are people betting on random greek shipping companies?
1169449;1434768715;mircea_popescu;decimation i have nfi.
1169450;1434768720;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 nah it's naphex'
1169451;1434768744;indiancandy1;im greek
1169452;1434768745;indiancandy1;:P
1169453;1434768748;indiancandy1;well half
1169454;1434768752;decimation;lol FREE has -336% net profit 2014
1169455;1434768760;indiancandy1;is he onine
1169456;1434768764;indiancandy1;naphex message me
1169457;1434768899;indiancandy1;mircea
1169458;1434768906;indiancandy1;tell me about ur porn production
1169459;1434768958;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 not much to tell, back before you were born porn used ot make money.
1169460;1434768992;indiancandy1;what did u do though
1169461;1434768996;indiancandy1;direct produc
1169462;1434768997;indiancandy1;star>
1169463;1434768999;indiancandy1;?
1169464;1434769022;mircea_popescu;i was a producer/backer.
1169465;1434769135;indiancandy1;in usa
1169466;1434769137;indiancandy1;eu?
1169467;1434769145;mircea_popescu;eu
1169468;1434769163;mircea_popescu;not at the time yet, but anyway
1169469;1434769228;indiancandy1;interestin
1169470;1434769231;indiancandy1;why didnt u tel me
1169471;1434769245;mircea_popescu;how did you find out in the first place ?
1169472;1434769272;indiancandy1;i was in here
1169473;1434769276;indiancandy1;ppl were tlkin about porn
1169474;1434769278;indiancandy1;someone said
1169475;1434769282;indiancandy1;u used 2 direct porn
1169476;1434769285;indiancandy1;i was like no way
1169477;1434769312;mircea_popescu;well so then that's why i didn't tell you, because i told them. i can't do everything myself.
1169478;1434769337;mircea_popescu;memory is getting hazy after all the years, but i dun think i actually directed anything
1169479;1434769368;indiancandy1;you just invested
1169480;1434769373;indiancandy1;in porn
1169481;1434769378;indiancandy1;in porn
1169482;1434769385;indiancandy1;east europe
1169483;1434769393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86600 @ 0.00040669 = 35.2194 BTC [+] {5} 
1169484;1434769416;mircea_popescu;a producer is traditionally more like the adult in charge of the children on the set.
1169485;1434769463;decimation; what's the difference between that and the director?
1169486;1434769497;indiancandy1;producer is the finance i belive
1169487;1434769512;mircea_popescu;the director's more like the spiritual leader of teh tribe. the producer just makes sure they have enough food and don't fight with it.
1169488;1434769514;indiancandy1;so you were on set watching the talent
1169489;1434769541;mircea_popescu;indiancandy1 i fucked plenty of them, dun worry.
1169490;1434769557;mircea_popescu;kinda half the point of the entire thing.
1169491;1434769561;mircea_popescu;the small half, but nevertheless.
1169492;1434769633;indiancandy1;ahaha
1169493;1434769634;indiancandy1;omg mp
1169494;1434769639;indiancandy1;shocking
1169495;1434769654;mircea_popescu;you shock easily.
1169496;1434769675;indiancandy1;well
1169497;1434769677;indiancandy1;i duno
1169498;1434769682;indiancandy1;so u out the game now
1169499;1434769684;indiancandy1;?
1169500;1434769725;mircea_popescu;but in any case, ima direct something with girls in it, so twedledoo
1169501;1434769773;indiancandy1;yea
1169502;1434769781;indiancandy1;damn
1169503;1434769784;indiancandy1;i got sleepin issues
1169504;1434769940;cazalla;count sheep
1169505;1434769968;indiancandy1;omg
1169506;1434769975;indiancandy1;u no anastasia
1169507;1434769978;indiancandy1;is from romania
1169508;1434769986;indiancandy1;the makeup mogul
1169509;1434769990;indiancandy1;i watched her documentry
1169510;1434770552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80737 @ 0.00041054 = 33.1458 BTC [+] {4} 
1169511;1434770796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8234 @ 0.00040011 = 3.2945 BTC [-]
1169512;1434771162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00041601 = 5.3665 BTC [+]
1169513;1434771223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22656 @ 0.00041601 = 9.4251 BTC [+]
1169514;1434771238;mats;lol.
1169515;1434771481;decimation;mats: the low line density?
1169516;1434771566;mats;no i think indiancandy is funny
1169517;1434771593;mats;am imagining cali valley girl with bollywood english accent
1169518;1434771704;decimation;heh
1169519;1434771804;decimation;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/17/home-school-shanghai-school-and-american-k-12-all-in-one-conversation/ < lulz
1169520;1434771805;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ewosVy )
1169521;1434771824;decimation;" In Shanghai the children, age 5 and 11, had attended an international school that was so demanding the parents had to stay up tutoring until 11 pm some nights. Public school in the Boston suburbs, by contrast, is so easy that the children don?t need any after-school help."
1169522;1434771830;decimation;"However, the mother now has to spend nearly all of her time managing household affairs. ?We had three people to help us in Shanghai,? said the father, ?but here just weekly cleaners.?"
1169523;1434771846;decimation;^ note that about half the population in the us is paid by the state to do nothing
1169524;1434771855;decimation;they could be doing something useful, like cleaning toilets
1169525;1434772382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18333 @ 0.00042362 = 7.7662 BTC [+]
1169526;1434772822;decimation;!up gares
1169527;1434772870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00042306 = 19.4396 BTC [-] {3} 
1169528;1434773053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14080 @ 0.00042495 = 5.9833 BTC [+] {2} 
1169529;1434774517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10592 @ 0.00043002 = 4.5548 BTC [+] {2} 
1169530;1434775310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40421 @ 0.00043264 = 17.4877 BTC [+] {2} 
1169531;1434777750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17818 @ 0.00043329 = 7.7204 BTC [+] {2} 
1169532;1434777811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.00042738 = 1.0278 BTC [-]
1169533;1434777872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80426 @ 0.00042129 = 33.8827 BTC [-] {3} 
1169534;1434779763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51550 @ 0.00042833 = 22.0804 BTC [+]
1169535;1434780434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00041552 = 5.2979 BTC [-]
1169536;1434781532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17292 @ 0.00042351 = 7.3233 BTC [+] {2} 
1169537;1434781959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16274 @ 0.00041552 = 6.7622 BTC [-]
1169538;1434782142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12819 @ 0.00041541 = 5.3251 BTC [-]
1169539;1434783424;mats;http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Security-Research-Blog/There-and-back-again-a-journey-through-bounty-award-and/ba-p/6756465
1169540;1434783427;assbot; There and back again: a journey through bounty awa... - HP Enterprise Business Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpcGCp )
1169541;1434783466;mats;> the team is disclosing full details of the Microsoft Internet Explorer research submitted after receiving confirmation that Microsoft does not intend to patch the Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) flaw involved.
1169542;1434783972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00041541 = 20.7705 BTC [-]
1169543;1434784518;mats;http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/06/18/combat-engineer-specialty-opens-to-women/28916319
1169544;1434784520;assbot;Combat engineer specialty opens to women soldiers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gpf8sl )
1169545;1434784521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00041541 = 12.94 BTC [-]
1169546;1434785192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00041117 = 14.9871 BTC [-] {2} 
1169547;1434785502;mats;http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/06/pentagon-building-cruise-missile-shield-defend-us-cities-russia/115723
1169548;1434785503;assbot;Pentagon Building Cruise Missile Shield To Defend US Cities From Russia - Defense One ... ( http://bit.ly/1GphuYu )
1169549;1434785802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96796 @ 0.00042048 = 40.7008 BTC [+] {3} 
1169550;1434785957;punkman;lolwut
1169551;1434786278;punkman;http://en.people.cn/n/2015/0620/c90882-8909341.html
1169552;1434786279;assbot;Walnut too hard for cellphone screen - People's Daily Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpjkZb )
1169553;1434787876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00041201 = 5.3355 BTC [-]
1169554;1434789096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10268 @ 0.00041188 = 4.2292 BTC [-] {2} 
1169555;1434789218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12632 @ 0.00041466 = 5.238 BTC [+] {2} 
1169556;1434789340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138900 @ 0.00040736 = 56.5823 BTC [-] {4} 
1169557;1434789950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00040519 = 7.2934 BTC [-]
1169558;1434791231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00040519 = 7.2529 BTC [-]
1169559;1434792146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00042043 = 23.0816 BTC [+] {5} 
1169560;1434792634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00040363 = 4.4601 BTC [-] {2} 
1169561;1434794037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14107 @ 0.00042078 = 5.9359 BTC [+]
1169562;1434796904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00041834 = 4.8109 BTC [-]
1169563;1434797636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00042078 = 4.2499 BTC [+]
1169564;1434798185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00042143 = 16.3726 BTC [+] {2} 
1169565;1434798917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00041815 = 13.3808 BTC [-] {2} 
1169566;1434799151;punkman;http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/radioexp/
1169567;1434799152;assbot;Stealing Keys from PCs using a Radio: Cheap Electromagnetic Attacks      on Windowed Exponentiation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QIbdSA )
1169568;1434799447;jurov;hush, lest you cause alf to start measuring cardano emanations and delay the project 10 years
1169569;1434799832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00042437 = 13.2403 BTC [+] {2} 
1169570;1434800717;mircea_popescu;punkman antenna has to be very close and the reason they use it on laptops is that it doesn't actually work on metallic chassis desktops.
1169571;1434800840;mircea_popescu;(not even going into the details of how running bitcoin in the background provides nearly perfect defense for all this, because good luck distinguishing)
1169572;1434801071;mircea_popescu;"In order to extend the attack range, we added a 50dB gain stage using a pair of inexpensive low-noise amplifiers (Mini-Circuits ZFL-500LN+ and ZFL-1000LN+ in series, 175$ total). We also added a low-pass filter before the amplifiers. With this enhanced setup, the attack can be mounted from 50 cm away. Using better antennas, amplifiers and digitizers, the range can be extended even further."
1169573;1434801093;mircea_popescu;yes, further, but logarithmically. the next 1k spent adds 10 cm. the next 100k spent adds another 10 cm. etc.
1169574;1434801146;mircea_popescu;"Q5: What if I can't get physically close enough to the target computer?
1169575;1434801146;mircea_popescu;There are still attacks that can be mounted from large distances. Laptop-chassis potential, measured from the far end of virtually any shielded cable connected to the laptop" << tells you all you actually wanted to know.
1169576;1434801629;PeterL;who is running scoopbot_revived ?
1169577;1434801653;mircea_popescu;williamdunne
1169578;1434801667;mircea_popescu;how's the new job ?
1169579;1434801680;PeterL;it's going good, but keeps me pretty busy
1169580;1434801742;mircea_popescu;;;google anastasia the make-up mogul
1169581;1434801744;gribble;Looks created by Jazmin Makeup Moguls on Pinterest | Bobbi ...: <https://www.pinterest.com/makeupmoguls/looks-created-by-jazmin-makeup-moguls/>; Makeup - Anastasia Beverly Hills: <http://www.anastasiabeverlyhills.com/makeup.html>; Anastasia Beverly Hills | Sephora: <http://www.sephora.com/anastasia-beverly-hills>
1169582;1434801751;mircea_popescu;o.O
1169583;1434801757;mircea_popescu;all these things which exist...
1169584;1434801845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00042548 = 8.4032 BTC [+]
1169585;1434801861;PeterL;;;later tell williamdunne want me to give you the nick "scoopbot" for your bot?
1169586;1434801861;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1169587;1434802272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00042592 = 12.0322 BTC [+] {2} 
1169588;1434802546;mircea_popescu;"[How is it possible for an adult American to need to spend full-time maintaining a 20-year-old house? I got some insight into this the other day.  << holy shit the us has turned into 80s romania.
1169589;1434802701;PeterL;link?
1169590;1434802733;mircea_popescu;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/17/home-school-shanghai-school-and-american-k-12-all-in-one-conversation/
1169591;1434802734;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnFENk )
1169592;1434802736;mircea_popescu;was in the log earlier
1169593;1434802964;mircea_popescu;anyway, the comments on that article are particularly retarded. one schmuck that can barely spell brings the entire "football team fan" argument, without a trace of irony or even the faintest hint of self awareness. he honestly believes that since "technology" today is better than 100 years ago, while the math kids could do out of highschool back then was 10x harder, it then follows that studying hard has no payoff.
1169594;1434803036;mircea_popescu;some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the idiotic propositiopn
1169595;1434803037;mircea_popescu; that everyoner's equal"
1169596;1434803053;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.
1169597;1434803309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51630 @ 0.00042824 = 22.11 BTC [+] {2} 
1169598;1434803370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58820 @ 0.00043053 = 25.3238 BTC [+] {2} 
1169599;1434803449;mircea_popescu;all i can see is
1169600;1434803450;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-75.345-75.434
1169601;1434803451;assbot;The definitive tract on sociopathy on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnGysY )
1169602;1434803675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15909 @ 0.00041799 = 6.6498 BTC [-]
1169603;1434804590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32747 @ 0.00043423 = 14.2197 BTC [+] {3} 
1169604;1434805261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29294 @ 0.00044143 = 12.9313 BTC [+] {3} 
1169605;1434806603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00042196 = 9.2198 BTC [-]
1169606;1434807156;mircea_popescu;"Nevertheless, if at issue is to find out if FartFarer was the DukeDickwalker's father or uncle one can always trust the wikidorks got it right."
1169607;1434807164;mircea_popescu;so im binge-reading trilema and shit i love myself.
1169608;1434807518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.0004199 = 19.2314 BTC [-] {2} 
1169609;1434807823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00044058 = 8.1067 BTC [+]
1169610;1434807945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18255 @ 0.0004448 = 8.1198 BTC [+] {3} 
1169611;1434808372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00042428 = 22.8687 BTC [-] {2} 
1169612;1434809348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00041799 = 2.487 BTC [-]
1169613;1434810690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38574 @ 0.00041562 = 16.0321 BTC [-] {2} 
1169614;1434811779;mircea_popescu;!up Drhelmut
1169615;1434811788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00041267 = 2.93 BTC [-]
1169616;1434811872;Drhelmut;Yo guys
1169617;1434811880;Drhelmut;thx mircea
1169618;1434812147;danielpbarron;http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt << allegedly by the church shooting guy
1169619;1434812148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2MYcm )
1169620;1434812174;danielpbarron;> Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first bobbaer smart enough to open a peanut.
1169621;1434812398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18420 @ 0.0004223 = 7.7788 BTC [+]
1169622;1434812420;mircea_popescu;rhodesia eh ?
1169623;1434812474;danielpbarron;> I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.
1169624;1434812476;mircea_popescu;The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words �black on White crime� into Google, and I have never been the same since that
1169625;1434812476;mircea_popescu;day.
1169626;1434812652;mircea_popescu;anyway, as a present day slave owner that thing makes for a pretty amusing read.
1169627;1434813026;mircea_popescu;"A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same. " << this is actually a flawed argument on multiple levels. first off, the mule is sterile. second off, the ability to conceive is a very good measure of species proximity. thirdly, there's no proposition of "identity", there's no such thing as bio
1169628;1434813026;mircea_popescu;logical identity, or for that matter identity in nature.
1169629;1434813034;mircea_popescu;the multicultural proposition is idempotence, not identity.
1169630;1434813263;mircea_popescu;"I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem." bwahaha dude...
1169631;1434813265;mircea_popescu;why the fuck ?
1169632;1434813313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00042732 = 13.8024 BTC [+] {2} 
1169633;1434813528;mircea_popescu;"I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940's American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion." << holy shit, by the time a guy with serious respect for opinions as a mental construct and a preference for historical us over nazi germany goes shooting up the police station you know the sops problem hath come full circle.
1169634;1434813557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00042467 = 5.1597 BTC [-]
1169635;1434813560;mircea_popescu;chomsky warned it will, there's http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-349.0-349.11
1169636;1434813561;assbot;The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Phfq )
1169637;1434813592;mircea_popescu;the us is no longer governable. they can do all usual the song and dance about how "crazy" etc the guy was,
1169638;1434813600;danielpbarron;this isn't the police station guy
1169639;1434813600;mircea_popescu;but there's no stopping the flood of them.
1169640;1434813649;danielpbarron;i guess there were two shootings recently; the church one is all over the news and apparently the police station guy isn't
1169641;1434813713;mircea_popescu;there's going to be weeks with a thousand shootings,
1169642;1434813718;mircea_popescu;if the old whore has enough in her to take it.
1169643;1434813728;mircea_popescu;and ten thousand, and a hundred thousand.
1169644;1434813754;mircea_popescu;"Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already."
1169645;1434813790;mircea_popescu;the minds are scarcely the problem. which is part of why i credit so little the entire "iq" verbiage. if iq were the determining factor in anything we'd be living on the moon already.
1169646;1434815509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41961 @ 0.00043737 = 18.3525 BTC [+] {3} 
1169647;1434815825;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
1169648;1434815829;gribble;Current Blocks: 361783 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 1096 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 17 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1169649;1434816241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49689 @ 0.0004489 = 22.3054 BTC [+]
1169650;1434818132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00044459 = 5.2906 BTC [-]
1169651;1434818437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00045217 = 6.1947 BTC [+]
1169652;1434818462;mats;http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/june/mass-extinction-ehrlich-061915.html
1169653;1434818464;assbot;Stanford researcher says sixth mass extinction is here ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVwTDJ )
1169654;1434818566;pete_dushenski;"Using fossil records and extinction counts from a range of records" << not the most complete picture, this. sorta hard to draw conclusions on how many cheeses there are in the world based on the ones at your local grocery store
1169655;1434818803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.0004383 = 9.0728 BTC [-]
1169656;1434818954;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169575 << that laptops are only marginally more sane and secure than smartfones, and that proper computing is desktop computing.
1169657;1434818954;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 11:52:26; mircea_popescu: There are still attacks that can be mounted from large distances. Laptop-chassis potential, measured from the far end of virtually any shielded cable connected to the laptop" << tells you all you actually wanted to know.
1169658;1434819145;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169607 << haha. any other gems to share with the class ?
1169659;1434819145;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 13:32:44; mircea_popescu: so im binge-reading trilema and shit i love myself.
1169660;1434819240;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1169661;1434819241;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.91, Best ask: 243.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 243.8, 24 hour volume: 30090.14772989, 24 hour low: 240.0, 24 hour high: 247.81, 24 hour vwap: None
1169662;1434819474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00043425 = 5.1024 BTC [-]
1169663;1434819779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.0004383 = 3.7256 BTC [+]
1169664;1434819861;pete_dushenski;been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow
1169665;1434819896;pete_dushenski;talking about how "we need to coordinate to protect from sjws"
1169666;1434819947;pete_dushenski;i left him a comment trying to wipe the shit from his eyes but i dun think it was particularly effective
1169667;1434819951;pete_dushenski;https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/public-speech-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-6724
1169668;1434819952;assbot;Public speech is a bad idea | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVyXvE )
1169669;1434820035;pete_dushenski;i still keep reading him. but he really ought to show up here. i'll have to invite him around one of these days.
1169670;1434820308;pete_dushenski;"The French generals were a lot tougher and better educated than almost anyone in US uniform today. They'd started off doing Jedburgh team jumps into occupied France in WW2, went on through the meat grinder of Indonesia (many through Dien Bien Phu) and Algeria. In the meantime, they'd gotten real educations, not degrees in Business Management from West Dickhole State like your typical US officer."
1169671;1434820323;pete_dushenski;"I understood that a career spent in a careerist organization has the effect of undermining character and training/selecting for poor moral courage, and that nobody in the US military with the rank and position to plan and launch a coup had the courage to do so successfully."
1169672;1434820402;pete_dushenski;encouraging, no ?
1169673;1434820462;pete_dushenski;a buncha unmotivated, uneducated, unincentivised, uncivilised deskjockeys make up the most 'powerful' arms of the firstbestlargestfastest state in the world
1169674;1434820562;pete_dushenski;if there is a lizard hitler, he's struggling for air beneath his 1000kg cloak of redditardation
1169675;1434820585;pete_dushenski;last two quotes from http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2540
1169676;1434820587;assbot;JL: ‘A Career Spent in a Careerist Organization’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVA2DJ )
1169677;1434820627;pete_dushenski;and it's too beautiful to not be outside right now so ima be gone with the wind !
1169678;1434820755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133850 @ 0.00042284 = 56.5971 BTC [-] {4} 
1169679;1434821576;thestringpuller;i'm real tired of your shit gavin andressen
1169680;1434821609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00043831 = 7.9334 BTC [+] {2} 
1169681;1434821670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00045217 = 1.9443 BTC [+]
1169682;1434823561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105300 @ 0.0004292 = 45.1948 BTC [-] {2} 
1169683;1434823988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27914 @ 0.00041573 = 11.6047 BTC [-]
1169684;1434824049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00042197 = 12.4481 BTC [+]
1169685;1434824113;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169637 << 'not governable' is when the tax receipts dry up, and the cities burn. not when schmuck #xxxxxx fires a few pot shots at cop and dies same day
1169686;1434824113;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 15:19:52; mircea_popescu: the us is no longer governable. they can do all usual the song and dance about how "crazy" etc the guy was,
1169687;1434824181;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169570 << actually works great on desktops. peripheral wiring (and power line) - excellent antennae
1169688;1434824181;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 11:45:17; mircea_popescu: punkman antenna has to be very close and the reason they use it on laptops is that it doesn't actually work on metallic chassis desktops.
1169689;1434824230;asciilifeform;(yet another reason to run on a double-converter 'ups' or at least an isolator transformer!)
1169690;1434824268;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169656 << see above
1169691;1434824268;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 16:49:14; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169575 << that laptops are only marginally more sane and secure than smartfones, and that proper computing is desktop computing.
1169692;1434824311;punkman;yeah I'd rather do airgap on laptop with battery than desktop
1169693;1434824315;asciilifeform;did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ?
1169694;1434824321;asciilifeform;pretty sure that i did.
1169695;1434824403;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169653 << orlov is obsessed with that fella
1169696;1434824403;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 16:41:04; assbot: Stanford researcher says sixth mass extinction is here ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVwTDJ )
1169697;1434824651;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169594 << i read that comment differently - that genetic garbage will not turn into something else regardless of where schooled
1169698;1434824651;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 12:23:56; mircea_popescu: some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the i
1169699;1434824717;asciilifeform;in the past, there was a great deal of noise esp. in usa re: how slum children, in their rookeries, were the way they were solely on account of lead poisoning. well, where is the lead now? and how are the rookeries ?
1169700;1434824748;asciilifeform;ditto for public schooling vs whatever other kind
1169701;1434824798;*;asciilifeform ran into a number of 'home school' veterans at uni. did not notice anything peculiar about them as people, neither for better or worse.
1169702;1434824890;asciilifeform;incidentally, 'children of special people' ~do~ tend towards 'indistinct mass.' yes, dynasties of thinking folks existed, e.g., the bernoulis, etc. but most are more like feynman's daughter
1169703;1434824894;asciilifeform;nothing to write home about
1169704;1434824903;asciilifeform;'regression to the mean' ~is~ a thing
1169705;1434824953;asciilifeform;(there is an apocryphal story where feynman was invited to spoodge into william shockley's 'sperm bank of genius.' and he said 'you have the wrong address! go call my father'
1169706;1434824964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78592 @ 0.00043403 = 34.1113 BTC [+] {4} 
1169707;1434824964;asciilifeform;)
1169708;1434824984;TheNewDeal;(tm)?
1169709;1434825123;thestringpuller;(r) (c)
1169710;1434825147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33858 @ 0.00041595 = 14.0832 BTC [-] {2} 
1169711;1434825205;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169664 << pretty sure i met herr spandrell at handle's party
1169712;1434825205;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 17:04:21; pete_dushenski: been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow
1169713;1434825227;asciilifeform;unless i have him symlinked mentally with a similar fella
1169714;1434825242;asciilifeform;(these 'alt right' folks have blended into 'indistinct mass' in my head, sadly)
1169715;1434825719;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169596 << smart folks understand futility very well. which is why 'postals' tend to be played out by borderline tards, to no long-term effect whatsoever
1169716;1434825719;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 12:24:13; mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.
1169717;1434826048;mircea_popescu;i doubt it has anything to do with smart.
1169718;1434826083;mircea_popescu;imo, eunuchs understand... futility. and for bonus lol points, fut is the present indicative of to fuck in romanian.
1169719;1434826166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so where are the non-retarded 'postal' ?
1169720;1434826174;asciilifeform;blacked out from news ?
1169721;1434826191;mircea_popescu;i do not think this guy is retarded.
1169722;1434826203;asciilifeform;or, on other end of the spectrum, 'isis' et al - also run by & for tards (and usg stooges)
1169723;1434826206;mircea_popescu;i actually think he is more respectable than pretty much every surviving american.
1169724;1434826230;asciilifeform;respectable perhaps in the chechen 'died a good death' sense
1169725;1434826236;asciilifeform;but what permanent dent did he make in anything?
1169726;1434826246;mircea_popescu;whatever you will call it.
1169727;1434826249;mircea_popescu;yes.
1169728;1434826253;mircea_popescu;he has.
1169729;1434826262;mircea_popescu;obama has left no mark on the world. this man - has.
1169730;1434826277;mircea_popescu;his name i will record, everyone else's - no call.
1169731;1434826359;*;asciilifeform digs for the original link / stats / corpse count
1169732;1434826456;mircea_popescu;you have to dig no further than right here. the fact that you feel teh need to sell me on the idea he never happened is pretty much good enough.
1169733;1434826529;asciilifeform;i'd like to believe that 'happened.' but want to know ~how~. e.g., are there fewer usg cops today than last week? is the fed printing fewer usd ? what, precisely, is this mark.
1169734;1434826574;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1169735;1434826590;mircea_popescu;but the problem is, there's no promise the how will be approachable.
1169736;1434826611;mircea_popescu;otherwise the buddha'd be a cooking recipe.
1169737;1434826614;asciilifeform;so we have 'partizan died for the motherland' situation.
1169738;1434826643;mircea_popescu;i dun think so.
1169739;1434826667;asciilifeform;job of partizan, however, is not simply to 'die with honour', but take some of the scum with him to hell
1169740;1434826683;mircea_popescu;i dun think any of these actually works in this context.
1169741;1434826711;*;asciilifeform is grasping for so much as a hint of what works in this context..
1169742;1434826721;mircea_popescu;let's return to gorgo, the woman that allegedly "spartan women can rule men because they can squeeze them out". her husband famously told her to "mary well and serve her man". also, partizan motherland ?
1169743;1434826761;asciilifeform;sure.
1169744;1434826767;mircea_popescu;well then it's a meaningless concept.
1169745;1434826780;mircea_popescu;ie, applies to everyone dead.
1169746;1434826789;asciilifeform;i get the idea that 'many raindrops -> flood.' but where is the flood ?
1169747;1434826795;asciilifeform;and what is to be flooded
1169748;1434826813;mircea_popescu;nono, the idea is that calling everything the same thing is the opposite of trying to understand. you can't analyse by synthetic means.
1169749;1434826834;mircea_popescu;if your observation about a fact is a word that applies to all facts, you've not even attempted to study the peculiar of the fact.
1169750;1434826843;asciilifeform;i'm balking at the idea that the 'how' is this mystical thing that one cannot even attempt to apprehend
1169751;1434826862;mircea_popescu;one certainly can not attempt to apprehend the death of cesaria evora by saying "niggers"
1169752;1434826867;mircea_popescu;yes, she was black. nevertheless...
1169753;1434826872;asciilifeform;even the 'jihad' folks don't work this way
1169754;1434826879;asciilifeform;they have concrete aims, however simplistic
1169755;1434826916;mircea_popescu;no. i don't think your idea of "aims" actually applies to them.
1169756;1434826925;mircea_popescu;they do not have concrete aims in your definition of such.
1169757;1434826936;asciilifeform;'the scum must die' is an example of an actionable doctrine
1169758;1434826941;mircea_popescu;it is ?
1169759;1434827063;*;asciilifeform is labouring under a very palpable feeling of failing to get his teeth around the enigma here
1169760;1434827091;asciilifeform;perhaps best comparison is to the mouse in the jar
1169761;1434827110;asciilifeform;say he had beaten his brains out against the glass, while attempting escape. while in a sense this is 'honour', what has mouse accomplished ?
1169762;1434827136;mircea_popescu;but look : the standard european mecanicism is not a universal ideology. actually, plenty of people have never even heard of it. they regard things - often the same things, yes - but that does not necessarily mean they see themwith the same eyes.
1169763;1434827144;asciilifeform;well sure
1169764;1434827151;mircea_popescu;take the easier to digest example of the child who earnestly thinks milk comes from the supermarket.
1169765;1434827164;mircea_popescu;you may think "he eats because hungry - just like me", and he agrees.
1169766;1434827192;mircea_popescu;what if - to him, hungry is the subjective sense of lack induced by watching tv without a milk glass in hand like ... every single case of people watching tv he's seen on tv ?
1169767;1434827198;mircea_popescu;is this, properly, "hunger" ?
1169768;1434827229;asciilifeform;'philosophical zombie' (tm) (r) ?
1169769;1434827240;mircea_popescu;not even. merely, "european mecanicism zombie"
1169770;1434827255;mircea_popescu;ie, a being not informed by the rote assumptions of your culture.
1169771;1434827264;asciilifeform;btw it is no accident that this term appeared around the same time that these creatures were actually brought into being
1169772;1434827282;mircea_popescu;the ascendancy of ideology does not actually bring anything into being but its own zombies.
1169773;1434827286;mircea_popescu;the rest of the world - unchanged.
1169774;1434827294;mircea_popescu;so the word's backwards.
1169775;1434827313;asciilifeform;so pashtun is actual human, civilized man - zombie ?
1169776;1434827392;asciilifeform;(orlov's '5 stages' book, as well as of course 400 yrs of euro 'wish i were an amerind' material, ends with just this)
1169777;1434827413;asciilifeform;as does limonov, etc.
1169778;1434827442;mircea_popescu;well, not exactly.
1169779;1434827455;mircea_popescu;one's sane and the other mentally ill.
1169780;1434827474;mircea_popescu;because what a dead and decaying civilisation does to the brain is indistinguishable from the early stages of mental illness.
1169781;1434827484;asciilifeform;what planet can i visit to meet sane+civilized ?
1169782;1434827495;mircea_popescu;but the comparison can not be properly carried in civilisational terms - there aren't any. the only common ground is natural, and that's what yields there.
1169783;1434827498;*;asciilifeform readies launcher
1169784;1434827517;mircea_popescu;sane + civilised is only available at times when a civilisation prospers. these aren't these atm.
1169785;1434827531;mircea_popescu;arguably it's right here, but i think it's early for that.
1169786;1434827550;asciilifeform;ergo the closest thing to sane man in civilization is, today, the wrecker ?
1169787;1434827558;mircea_popescu;in my reading.
1169788;1434827560;asciilifeform;even from this perspective, mr postal is ineffectual
1169789;1434827567;asciilifeform;with his pea shooter
1169790;1434827567;mircea_popescu;effectual is not a consideration.
1169791;1434827591;mircea_popescu;the man who doesn't steal - also "ineffectual".
1169792;1434827594;mircea_popescu;as he caught no thieves.
1169793;1434827597;jurov;btw, when it was prospering? in manifest destiny times?
1169794;1434827608;mircea_popescu;definitely the gilded generation.
1169795;1434827630;asciilifeform;jurov: perhaps, at the latest, when it feasted on the ashes of the remaining planet it burned in the world wars ?
1169796;1434827631;mircea_popescu;1890 probably closest available. it IS possible china is prospering atm, i am blind and clueless
1169797;1434827675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only marginal avenue for all that is claiming mussolini's claimed italian revival was genuine. i speak the language and do not believe the theory, in agreement with the vast bulk of native speakers.
1169798;1434827699;asciilifeform;speaking of, mircea_popescu fan of j. evola ?
1169799;1434827709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00041573 = 8.4601 BTC [-]
1169800;1434827722;mircea_popescu;hitler&gobbles' inane insanities certainly do not constitute more of a nordic system than the current socialism.
1169801;1434827729;asciilifeform;(afaik evola is only available in original it and in ru)
1169802;1434827755;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't go as far as fan
1169803;1434827903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me approach the matter this way : you have an infestation of badgers in your living room. so you set down a dozen traps. overnight, two traps have sprung.
1169804;1434827909;mircea_popescu;the infestation is no longer.
1169805;1434827943;asciilifeform;re: the question of 'when prospered', little story. today i went again to the argentinian fella (who was thrilled that i had visited his home town) to get major work on my car. took a while, and as i always do, went to the antique shops which surround the place for miles around. and, as before, noticed that the artifacts are chronologically upper-bounded around 1955.
1169806;1434827950;asciilifeform;that's when 'prosperity' upper bound.
1169807;1434827953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96000 @ 0.00041484 = 39.8246 BTC [-] {3} 
1169808;1434827956;asciilifeform;when the nostalgiacs stop.
1169809;1434827958;mircea_popescu;at that time the first trap to ever spring sprung, and the second had not : a) were the other eleven effectual or ineffectual ? b) was the one that sprung effectual or ineffectual ? note that still badgers around, AND FROM THE POINT O VIEW OF THE BADGERS, every item is just as much a trap as the traps.
1169810;1434827990;mircea_popescu;the man who has not shot an invader in his livingroom is not by this a man who will not. just a trap no invader has stepped on yet, is all.
1169811;1434828004;mircea_popescu;the man that has so shot one, is not by this ineffectual, even if invaders left.
1169812;1434828023;asciilifeform;this'd be if he had shot the usg polizei repossessing his house, or the like
1169813;1434828031;asciilifeform;but he did what, break a window ?
1169814;1434828034;asciilifeform;at random station?
1169815;1434828057;mircea_popescu;im not entirely sure i have enough data to build a chain as you propose.
1169816;1434828073;mircea_popescu;i can but shrug.
1169817;1434828093;asciilifeform;what i'm seeing with the 'postals' is something like what tlp saw
1169818;1434828102;asciilifeform;fools acting out 'hollywood' revenge with small arms
1169819;1434828109;asciilifeform;rather than quietly cooking trotyl for years
1169820;1434828111;asciilifeform;or the like
1169821;1434828127;mircea_popescu;this is what all they who disagreed with chomsky and agreed with civilisational narrative re joe stack also saw.
1169822;1434828140;mircea_popescu;it is the siren song of britni spears.
1169823;1434828141;asciilifeform;'killdozer' fella was better example, imho
1169824;1434828162;asciilifeform;even herr stack could have done well with his little flying bomb
1169825;1434828173;mircea_popescu;iirc he stacked it with extra fuel or something.
1169826;1434828173;asciilifeform;(why did he wait for the usg snakepit to empty?)
1169827;1434828183;mircea_popescu;anyway, it is no argument to say of the badger trap "but it shot no laser"
1169828;1434828235;mircea_popescu;ie, this may be a valid discussion of trapmakers, as it discusses how much of a trap it is, but not at our level, where we discuss what is is.
1169829;1434828239;asciilifeform;so far best i can think of is 'solzhenitsyn's axe' argument
1169830;1434828251;asciilifeform;yes, if every man with axe, then game over
1169831;1434828255;asciilifeform;but it is never 'every man'
1169832;1434828263;asciilifeform;not even among the pashtuns.
1169833;1434828273;mircea_popescu;well no. you are in the unique position where someone killed himself, and you say "his death was not effectual - as it didn't resolve his problems. lo, they are still here!"
1169834;1434828273;asciilifeform;and 'every man with spear' did not help the zulu.
1169835;1434828279;mircea_popescu;well yes, they are. so are you. so what of it ?
1169836;1434828319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15748 @ 0.000437 = 6.8819 BTC [+]
1169837;1434828340;mircea_popescu;in any case : people who don't steal do not become by this better thieves. they do instead become part of a different world.
1169838;1434828352;mircea_popescu;tho thieves often think in terms of "o look, a slow scam is being set up!!1"
1169839;1434828359;asciilifeform;what of it is that folks who are really in a hurry to commit suicide with an optional small side dish desert of small-scale homicide are not partizans.
1169840;1434828359;mircea_popescu;which i guess makes sense. to them, anyway.
1169841;1434828409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they are, however briefly. the others often never get around to it.
1169842;1434828459;mircea_popescu;you know, once ceausescu was finally killed, it came to light there have been thousands of people plotting his demise, allegedly. to hear them talk, some of these had gone on for decades.
1169843;1434828464;mircea_popescu;the response was usually ridicule.
1169844;1434828477;asciilifeform;ditto in post-war fr
1169845;1434828480;mircea_popescu;right.
1169846;1434828511;asciilifeform;but notice he was not killed by lone 'nutter'
1169847;1434828519;mircea_popescu;he nearly was,
1169848;1434828520;asciilifeform;but by crowd that reached 'schelling point'
1169849;1434828523;mircea_popescu;and ww1 was started by exactly such.
1169850;1434828552;mircea_popescu;the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms
1169851;1434828557;mircea_popescu;ie, check out this guy's excuse.
1169852;1434828609;asciilifeform;my original observation was that the folks who have the mental chops to bring about four, five-figure body counts - do not.
1169853;1434828610;asciilifeform;and why
1169854;1434828632;mircea_popescu;because they proceed of causes, not towards purposes ? who yet even cares per se of body count ?
1169855;1434828637;mircea_popescu;they're not playing counterstrike
1169856;1434828645;asciilifeform;partizans - cared
1169857;1434828655;asciilifeform;one fewer german, one fewer train, tank
1169858;1434828675;asciilifeform;at the very least, enemy cannot simply shrug and ignore burned train
1169859;1434828683;mircea_popescu;live partizans cared.
1169860;1434828699;mircea_popescu;if this man were here talking, i would make the same exact observation.
1169861;1434828705;mircea_popescu;as you do, i mean.
1169862;1434828711;mircea_popescu;"hey, this isn't the best plan i ever heard"
1169863;1434828744;asciilifeform;when i say 'ineffective,' my thought is 'usg can survive as many of these as are ever likely to appear'
1169864;1434828747;mircea_popescu;but note that at no point would him getting killed be part of a best plan, so
1169865;1434828748;asciilifeform;without a visible dent
1169866;1434828753;mircea_popescu;it's already a given he's taken at most a local maximum
1169867;1434828758;mircea_popescu;in which case...
1169868;1434828780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, by subjective criteria as you employ, the english empire still survives.
1169869;1434828785;mircea_popescu;confederate us survive
1169870;1434828795;asciilifeform;english empire survives!
1169871;1434828799;mircea_popescu;white china survives, and the fucking hittite empire to boot
1169872;1434828801;asciilifeform;usg bought it at fire sale
1169873;1434828801;mircea_popescu;ya ya.
1169874;1434828960;asciilifeform;to rephrase, elephant can be killed by hunter - with bullet, or spear even. but there are not enough chimps in all of africa to kill it by throwing own shit at it, even were all of the chimps to agree to this plan.
1169875;1434828995;asciilifeform;elephant - laughs.
1169876;1434829003;asciilifeform;(or i imagine that it would, if it could)
1169877;1434829073;jurov;i can easily imagine elephat drowning in shit
1169878;1434829079;jurov;*elephant
1169879;1434829106;mircea_popescu;this is only about the elephant for the elephant.
1169880;1434829114;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo today i saw the classic 'mosin' for sale; costing roughly 3x what i last remember seeing...
1169881;1434829114;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1169882;1434829127;mircea_popescu;you're discussing the matter in inadequate terms, as if you were to try and judge software by what happens with the table.
1169883;1434829165;asciilifeform;well, is it possible for me to apprehend the correct terms, whatever they might be, or do i need some of nubbins's lsd ?
1169884;1434829208;asciilifeform;the lsd naturally secreted in my skullcase, apparently does not suffice
1169885;1434829300;mircea_popescu;now that i dunno.
1169886;1434829322;mircea_popescu;i did think teh present conversatiuon made it plainly clear.
1169887;1434829362;asciilifeform;perhaps go back to the observation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-06-2015#1169229
1169888;1434829362;assbot;Logged on 19-06-2015 23:26:40; mircea_popescu: mats and cats have had millions of years to develop fishing implements.
1169889;1434829380;asciilifeform;cats 'act from cause, never from purpose' but still have not invented fishing pole.
1169890;1434829400;mircea_popescu;i've yet to see a cat in desperate need of overthrowing the imposition of catdom upon it, however.
1169891;1434829507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php << mega-relevant
1169892;1434829509;assbot;'And Then There Were None' by Eric Frank Russell ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyXHZL )
1169893;1434829516;asciilifeform;^ classic, on subject
1169894;1434829528;asciilifeform;has pretty much the same point as mircea_popescu's explanation earlier
1169895;1434829545;mircea_popescu;well i guess ima read it
1169896;1434829558;asciilifeform;and results in equal amount of 'what am i, the single ant, to do, wtf' after reading.
1169897;1434829598;*;asciilifeform wanders off to pet pet
1169898;1434830208;mircea_popescu;‘Is that so?’ The other eyed him speculatively, had another pick at his teeth. ‘And what makes him excellent?’
1169899;1434830209;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1169900;1434831079;mircea_popescu;!up SirJacket_
1169901;1434831186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00041267 = 4.1267 BTC [-]
1169902;1434832040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00041213 = 20.4004 BTC [-] {3} 
1169903;1434832296;shinohai;Interesting read: https://securelist.com/analysis/publications/70673/uncovering-tor-users-where-anonymity-ends-in-the-darknet/
1169904;1434832300;assbot;Uncovering Tor users: where anonymity ends in the Darknet - Securelist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz2OsY )
1169905;1434832543;shinohai;dat netsplit
1169906;1434834785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76945 @ 0.00041275 = 31.759 BTC [+] {4} 
1169907;1434834846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30385 @ 0.00040927 = 12.4357 BTC [-] {2} 
1169908;1434835273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46554 @ 0.00042843 = 19.9451 BTC [+] {3} 
1169909;1434835445;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1169910;1434835446;mircea_popescu;‘Nonsense!’ declared Gleed. ‘There is no such thing. There is no weapon inventable that the other fellow can’t employ once he gets his hands on it and learns how to operate it.’
1169911;1434835446;mircea_popescu;‘Are you sure about that?’
1169912;1434835469;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169801 <<< there are english translations (reading ride the tiger atm)
1169913;1434835469;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 19:15:29; asciilifeform: (afaik evola is only available in original it and in ru)
1169914;1434835699;mircea_popescu;that quote is exactly the http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.258-157.105 observation
1169915;1434835700;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdnKDj )
1169916;1434836981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16376 @ 0.00041009 = 6.7156 BTC [-]
1169917;1434837199;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169903 << deadly boring on account of none of the material being in any way new (to anyone with even a faint interest in the subject) whatsoever.
1169918;1434837199;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 20:31:36; shinohai: Interesting read: https://securelist.com/analysis/publications/70673/uncovering-tor-users-where-anonymity-ends-in-the-darknet/
1169919;1434837221;mircea_popescu;anyway, i will say for the record that a) the "economic" model contemplated by the naive socialist pseudo-anarchists cooking up the story is broken and b) anyone aged 16 who can't figure out how to extract value out of it should go hang.
1169920;1434837243;asciilifeform;wai wut
1169921;1434837246;asciilifeform;extract out of what
1169922;1434837310;shinohai;@ asciilifeform therefore I post for newcomers to understand why tor is smacktarded.
1169923;1434837322;mircea_popescu;http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php < that thing.
1169924;1434837324;assbot;'And Then There Were None' by Eric Frank Russell ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gdr6GB )
1169925;1434837351;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what i meant was, extract a lesson from the story, or extract the juice from the folks portrayed therein
1169926;1434837384;mircea_popescu;it would take me about a month of "earth time" to own one of their townlets, i reckon.
1169927;1434837390;mircea_popescu;and i'm not even jewish.
1169928;1434837437;asciilifeform;author would probably answer 'jew lands and will die of problems before he gets so much as a gram rather than pound of flesh'
1169929;1434837453;mircea_popescu;yaya
1169930;1434837458;asciilifeform;(on earth, we know that this does not happen, sure.)
1169931;1434837481;mircea_popescu;it does not happen period. the "floating value of coin" model gets reliably thundered into the dirt by fixed value coins and arbitrage.
1169932;1434837497;mircea_popescu;it's what built the roman empire, the solidus
1169933;1434837501;asciilifeform;anyway linked piece on account of 'magic power of saying fuckyou no' subject
1169934;1434837504;mircea_popescu;before they fucked it all up, which is what ended it.
1169935;1434837505;asciilifeform;rather than recipe for life
1169936;1434837509;mircea_popescu;aha,
1169937;1434837530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17974 @ 0.00041009 = 7.371 BTC [-]
1169938;1434837585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also the implication in the story was that the 'gands' lived in dunbar-number villages
1169939;1434837597;asciilifeform;hence the informal 'coin'
1169940;1434837610;mircea_popescu;i am aware. this makes it not work quite specifically.
1169941;1434837616;mircea_popescu;you ever seen the pawnbroker btw ?
1169942;1434837620;asciilifeform;no?
1169943;1434837639;mircea_popescu;Jesus Ortiz: Say, how come you people come to business so naturally?
1169944;1434837639;mircea_popescu;Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enou
1169945;1434837639;mircea_popescu;gh to have a geography or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right o
1169946;1434837642;mircea_popescu;ut and buy another piece of cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temp
1169947;1434837643;asciilifeform;(and the impression i got was that the dunbaricity was the ~only~ thing that made the mechanics halfway plausible..?)
1169948;1434837647;mircea_popescu;tation to dig into the Earth to grow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike!
1169949;1434837652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00043154 = 6.9478 BTC [+]
1169950;1434837652;mircea_popescu;Jesus Ortiz: [long pause] You really some teacher, Mr. Nazerman. You really, really 's the greatest.
1169951;1434837662;mircea_popescu;it is as plausible as the notion that "mecanicity" makes perpetuum mobile more plausible.
1169952;1434837670;mircea_popescu;sure, plausible, if you're the plausing kind.
1169953;1434837694;asciilifeform;l0l
1169954;1434837763;asciilifeform;incidentally, the final nail in the coffin of perpetuum mobile wasn't really driven in until emmy noether..
1169955;1434837787;asciilifeform;so it is not the best example of 'plainly impossible to any thinking person'
1169956;1434837818;mircea_popescu;it wasn't intended as that.
1169957;1434837901;asciilifeform;mainly speaking from an ancient pet peeve of mine, where folks who slept through noether and even carnot often map '2nd law of thermo' to a childhood-received 'who does not work, does not eat' and think of it as a 1:1 map
1169958;1434837923;asciilifeform;whereas it is anything but
1169959;1434838045;mircea_popescu;yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules.
1169960;1434838064;mircea_popescu;ask someone why shouldn't they fuck their sister next time you want an angry puzzled man.
1169961;1434838110;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my understanding is that folks who didn't get 'westermack-effected' for whatever reason, having sisters, are busy fucking them at this very minute
1169962;1434838127;mircea_popescu;doubt it tbh
1169963;1434838137;asciilifeform;(as pictured for mass pr0nification in 'game of thrones' etc.)
1169964;1434838166;asciilifeform;there was a reddit 'ama' thread linked here last year, where sisterfuckers chimed in by the battalions
1169965;1434838186;mircea_popescu;next you're gonna be quoting wikipedia at me.
1169966;1434838189;mircea_popescu;what is this, the future ?
1169967;1434838190;asciilifeform;(unless they are all philipinos...)
1169968;1434838208;mircea_popescu;how about they were all bitcoin experts from "the community" of derps that never saw a bitcoin ?
1169969;1434838241;asciilifeform;this particular subject being 'phillippinized' would be almost equally strange as were the reports genuine
1169970;1434838323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00043412 = 21.2719 BTC [+] {3} 
1169971;1434838369;asciilifeform;at any rate, i'm not an inquisitor and cannot comment re: whether the sisters were fucked in reality, or in imagination, and if so, whos
1169972;1434838379;asciilifeform;only that the subject is of perennial interest to homo redditicus
1169973;1434838414;asciilifeform;(and to fans of 'thrones')
1169974;1434838435;mircea_popescu;which leads back to the point.
1169975;1434838446;mircea_popescu;perpetuum mobile is also of perennial interest to the same apeish overaged teen mind.
1169976;1434838450;mircea_popescu;for the exact same reasons, too.
1169977;1434838454;asciilifeform;at least once was.
1169978;1434838461;mircea_popescu;right, fashions change.
1169979;1434838467;asciilifeform;what reasons specifically ?
1169980;1434838510;mircea_popescu;specifically eh ? what do you want of me.
1169981;1434838518;asciilifeform;'for the exact same reasons'
1169982;1434838519;mircea_popescu;what reasons specifically drive children to immitate speech sounds ?
1169983;1434838544;mircea_popescu;ah that. well, poking around at the world, right ? same reason they stick things in their mouth.
1169984;1434838552;asciilifeform;i was expecting an analogy between receiving free energy from the aether and hypothetical easy short-circuit solution to problem of what to fuck
1169985;1434838572;mircea_popescu;fucking is not easy by definition.
1169986;1434838602;asciilifeform;'easy' is perhaps not right word
1169987;1434838605;asciilifeform;'accessible' ?
1169988;1434838723;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, men tend to value "fuck me then i take off" girls the most, coworkers less than that and wives even less.
1169989;1434838731;mircea_popescu;who the fuck would want a sister on his head.
1169990;1434838746;asciilifeform;might want to ask the aficionados
1169991;1434838751;*;asciilifeform has no sisters
1169992;1434838779;mircea_popescu;ah, no, we're discussing economics here. the ship goes uphil like any othjer ship going uphill.
1169993;1434838787;mircea_popescu;affections not related.
1169994;1434838837;asciilifeform;speaking of!
1169995;1434838872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7973 @ 0.00043809 = 3.4929 BTC [+]
1169996;1434838877;asciilifeform;when i moved here, as a boy, i was constantly puzzled as to why whole wash.,d.c. region is covered in signs depicting... a ship going uphill! >> http://www.lehi-ut.gov/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/snap.a1.gif
1169997;1434838878;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdubX2 )
1169998;1434838892;asciilifeform;poor sailboat is just short of sailing off the cliff.
1169999;1434838923;asciilifeform;(edge of the earth?)
1170000;1434838946;asciilifeform;(turned out, the sign means 'neighborhood watch!' and depicts a crossed-out 'spy vs spy' figure)
1170001;1434839003;asciilifeform;back to the sisters, my understanding is that if 'westermarck' fails, they work just as well as arranged-wives and the like
1170002;1434839023;asciilifeform;(female, for whatever reason isn't successfully escaping, etc.)
1170003;1434839027;*;asciilifeform not expert
1170004;1434839199;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that.
1170005;1434839421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54409 @ 0.00040788 = 22.1923 BTC [-] {2} 
1170006;1434839428;shinohai;Music to code by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2UEyF1wjvU
1170007;1434839429;assbot;Andrés Segovia - Old Recordings (Bach,Scarlatti,Sor,Granados,Tàrrega,Malats,Mendelssohn) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gdvrtm )
1170008;1434839452;decimation;yeah I don't get how this 'black church postal' guy accomplished anything
1170009;1434839481;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc thread was about 'police station postal' of about the same time
1170010;1434839492;asciilifeform;(mostly newsblackouted)
1170011;1434839501;decimation;the linked diatribe was the black church guy
1170012;1434839511;decimation;since yanked but here https://web.archive.org/web/20150620135047/http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt
1170013;1434839513;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdvC7L )
1170014;1434839551;decimation;his logic went somethingl ike 1.) found out black people suck 2.) "We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.
1170015;1434839555;decimation;"
1170016;1434839561;decimation;3.) now what?
1170017;1434839567;cazalla;profit
1170018;1434839572;decimation;I guess
1170019;1434839579;asciilifeform;3) ??? 4) profit!!11!!
1170020;1434839668;decimation;even if all he wanted was to increase the 'white team' 'score' at the expense of the 'black team' - it's not at all obvious that this was accomplished
1170021;1434839699;cazalla;having read his little manifesto, the kid is without a doubt a /pol/ack (muh rhodesia, jews etc etc)
1170022;1434839747;decimation;cazalla: it's like someone read moldbug but was unable to comprehend the parts about how this kind of action is hopeless
1170023;1434839761;mircea_popescu;oh i thought it was the police station guy
1170024;1434839770;decimation;if anything, this only gives the 'witch hunters' even more ammo
1170025;1434839789;asciilifeform;decimation: the 'alt right'-sphere's fixation with rhodesia is - afaik - definitively traceable to mr mold
1170026;1434839813;decimation;agreed
1170027;1434839821;mircea_popescu;srsly ?
1170028;1434839836;decimation;in modern times, I suspect that's the case, yes
1170029;1434839881;asciilifeform;decimation: i was arguing even beyond 'unable to comprehend the parts about how this kind of action is hopeless' to 'clinically retarded'
1170030;1434839888;cazalla;you can always find a national anthem of rhodesia thread on /pol/ too, lyrics and all lol
1170031;1434839897;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I would agree with that too
1170032;1434839906;asciilifeform;for instance, it is widely (afaik) known that the highest-scoring 'postal' in usa used a bottle of ordinary petrol as the weapon
1170033;1434839922;decimation;is that the guy in the 1930's
1170034;1434839924;asciilifeform;yet the schmucks insist on demonstrating their (lack of) marksmanship with grandfather's pistol or whatnot
1170035;1434839933;asciilifeform;decimation: 90s
1170036;1434839987;mircea_popescu;decimation http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ count ?
1170037;1434839988;assbot;A very unfair perspective. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEvasv )
1170038;1434840040;trinque;bahaha this meme that if any whites suck, it's the fault of teh blacks
1170039;1434840049;trinque;I read about as much of his little manifesto as I could be bothered to
1170040;1434840052;decimation;mircea_popescu: I think that was after moldbug's article
1170041;1434840059;trinque;sorry, blacks didn't do walmart and country music
1170042;1434840060;decimation;I always figured you were inspired by him
1170043;1434840079;asciilifeform;trinque: notice that it does not even occur to the tard to kill one of the ~actual~ architects of his misery
1170044;1434840098;decimation;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html < moldbug mentions here
1170045;1434840099;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: An open letter to open-minded progressives (part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEvozY )
1170046;1434840140;trinque;asciilifeform: of course not; guy's capable of "everything is because of the outgroup" and nothing more
1170047;1434840166;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that's my point, even if he has decided black people suck, it's quite a leap to think that randomly murdering them is going to help anyone's lot
1170048;1434840167;trinque;is that not the most primordial rationale of all time?
1170049;1434840176;asciilifeform;mr mold is an incorrigible subscriber to the particular flavour of mental wankery described as 'resistance through culture' in one of mircea_popescu's articles
1170050;1434840199;decimation;yeah he certainly does not advocate 'resistance through action'
1170051;1434840202;trinque;asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt?
1170052;1434840213;decimation;which is why it was so amusing that he was booted from that programming conference
1170053;1434840280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu might say that it is because mr mold has no balls. i would say that i cannot comment on whether he has balls, but will point out that having a brain is a handicap if contemplating active resistance to usg, without support of foreign army, from inside its walls
1170054;1434840296;decimation;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/country-that-used-to-exist.html < here was yarvin's big article on rhodesia
1170055;1434840297;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: The country that used to exist ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdxjCf )
1170056;1434840346;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, if 'having a brain' means seeing about two moves ahead - would put a damper on 'action'
1170057;1434840362;asciilifeform;i will describe, for the benefit of n00bz, the typical career path of 'let's resist usg through action' in usgland: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044
1170058;1434840362;assbot;Logged on 13-04-2014 22:27:18; asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
1170059;1434840396;asciilifeform;the non-retarded version of this, where a fella spends 20 years in his garage building the 'strela', afaik has not yet happened.
1170060;1434840416;decimation;asciilifeform: of course that man would probably meet a similar end
1170061;1434840423;decimation;but is more likely to achieve some of his ends
1170062;1434840426;asciilifeform;end result, best case, probably would resemble http://trilema.com/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket
1170063;1434840427;assbot;Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEvZl2 )
1170064;1434840441;asciilifeform;best-known instance is probably 'killdozer'
1170065;1434840460;asciilifeform;and notice, there was no army of killdozers to follow heevmeyer.
1170066;1434840494;decimation;is that the police station guy?
1170067;1434840511;asciilifeform;!s killdozer
1170068;1434840512;assbot;4 results for 'killdozer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=killdozer
1170069;1434840533;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2014#691525
1170070;1434840533;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2014 00:38:27; punkman: as far as rampages go, the bulldozer guy was pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA
1170071;1434840544;decimation;oh yeah him heh
1170072;1434840644;asciilifeform;fact is, there is not any meaningful resistance to usg on own turf. there are criminals who imagine themselves resisting, e.g., mexican mafia, but actually live in symbiosis with 'war on drugs'
1170073;1434840651;asciilifeform;just as there were smugglers in ussr
1170074;1434840660;asciilifeform;some of whom imagined themselves 'resistance'
1170075;1434840680;decimation;asciilifeform: no, in fact said mexicans end up justifying budgets for even more usg
1170076;1434840719;mircea_popescu;decimation not that i know. link to what inspired me maybe ?
1170077;1434840729;mircea_popescu;oh there it is ty.
1170078;1434840737;decimation;yeah the second one in 2007
1170079;1434840769;mircea_popescu;holy shit man. a quote from wikipedia and the next mention of the word in comments ?!
1170080;1434840789;mircea_popescu;this guy's got a pretty fantastic racket. i hope i won't next hear i've heard about bitcoin from curtis yarvin.
1170081;1434840853;decimation;mircea_popescu: look at this link: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1170054
1170082;1434840853;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 22:44:56; decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/country-that-used-to-exist.html < here was yarvin's big article on rhodesia
1170083;1434840870;mircea_popescu;<trinque> asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt? << it's a very specific locus to east european "anticomunism" of the contemptible kind.
1170084;1434840889;mircea_popescu;not so unlike all the people who were planning to kill hitler, but never got around to it.
1170085;1434840902;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a few months ago, i reread a selection of mr mold, and it struck me as loudly, profanely stinking of 'resistance through culture'
1170086;1434840909;mircea_popescu;decimation aok
1170087;1434840939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, nothing in nature comes without a cost. flying bugs are not by this fact more fit than worms. even if flying is kinda cool.
1170088;1434840941;asciilifeform;almost like he was laying groundwork to turn into a top contender for 'was planning to kill hitler' after the fact
1170089;1434840942;mircea_popescu;intelligence also comes at a cost.
1170090;1434840946;mircea_popescu;ones in charge of managing it.
1170091;1434840979;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently that's working, at least to some degree, if people seriously consider him an influence on anything.
1170092;1434841041;mircea_popescu;decimation ah ok i see what you mean.
1170093;1434841056;mircea_popescu;alright, fine assumption, but i had no idea.
1170094;1434841148;asciilifeform;mr mold could be described as a founder of a very depressive sort of 'dismal science' - where a great many folks with no cultural literacy to speak of, no remotely-plausible avenue for constructive action, were led to realize approximately how their civilization anally raped itself
1170095;1434841185;asciilifeform;granted he only shows a kind of silhouette of the monster (all he personally is able to see with own eyes)
1170096;1434841190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.0004106 = 4.4755 BTC [+]
1170097;1434841193;asciilifeform;but the tentacles are painted clearly enough
1170098;1434841226;mircea_popescu;like "In fact, what Power really means is that a government "cannot survive indefinitely" if it defies the wishes of the international community. Ie, of, well - Power. Here we have the ultimate cause of Rhodesia's destruction. I believe this is a clear and undisputed fact."
1170099;1434841252;asciilifeform;mr mold was raised by diplomats and knows well what 'international community' shibboleth actually means
1170100;1434841257;asciilifeform;this is clear from the rest of the body of work
1170101;1434841301;decimation;yeah, if anything his strongest indictments are against usg's foreign policy 'complex'
1170102;1434841355;mircea_popescu;Todd, basically, was the Universalist to end all Universalists.
1170103;1434841357;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what!
1170104;1434841362;mircea_popescu;ok the similarities are unnerving
1170105;1434841366;mircea_popescu;what the fuck happened here.
1170106;1434841477;mircea_popescu;so i write an article with a cultural grounding introduction referencing newman and proceed to the historical discussion, some guy writes (a decade prior) an article using tacitus in thesame function and casually mentioning garfield todd
1170107;1434841521;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: next you'll complain of melted brain on account of ancient chinese having had, almost word for word, euclid's gcd algo
1170108;1434841552;mircea_popescu;one'd thing there is some room for personal taste in praxis and stylistics already
1170109;1434841608;decimation;well, as yarvin himself wrote, "he truth, being true, is accessible to all - though not all will get it all."
1170110;1434841615;asciilifeform;i for one, when first encountered mircea_popescu's articles, scarfed'em up on account of a feeling of 'like mr mold but without the latter's impotent thrashing and cultural illiteracy'
1170111;1434841624;mircea_popescu;the telegraph obligingly deleted the linked reference to how the senator's daughter was raped by the praetorian guards, so now there's no reference.
1170112;1434841627;mircea_popescu;fucktarded press
1170113;1434841669;mircea_popescu;"What would Tacitus make of this? Frankly, I'm not sure he could even process it." << hot damned...
1170114;1434841678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00041447 = 9.1183 BTC [+]
1170115;1434841682;mircea_popescu;i think tacitus lived in a marble tub his entire life, in a museum in illyricum.
1170116;1434841709;asciilifeform;moldbug, i will point out, speaks not one language save his native engl. that he was able to reconstruct even a semblance of coherent picture of anything while sitting in the anglo junkyard, is remarkable by itself
1170117;1434841711;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, what you describe is roughly what attracted me to #b-a
1170118;1434841766;mircea_popescu;that is a point.
1170119;1434841846;mircea_popescu;"the battle between missionaries and settlers, which ended of course in the victory of the former, was the great conflict of colonialism." << this is broadly coirrect. in the us, decolonialization took the form of "dry states", the missionaries fought against settlers brandied as "the bar lobby" there.
1170120;1434841850;mircea_popescu;i wonder where he picked up the tidbit.
1170121;1434841923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: his entire thesis is that the more demented sects of puritanism merged together, shed the unnecessary legs and wings, and turned into usg as we know it (or rather, the original intellectual underpinnings thereof)
1170122;1434841956;mircea_popescu;(and yes, i fundamentally do not like the guy because he reads exactly like andrei plesu, gabriel liiceanu or an entire smattering of entirely identical superficially "cultured", inept and impotent romanian "intellectuals" of the "Resistence throguh culture" brand).
1170123;1434841971;decimation;asciilifeform: I kinda arrived at this thesis from a theological perspective earlier, which is also why moldbug appealed
1170124;1434841991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as in http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.ar/2007/05/bdh-ov-conflict_07.html ?
1170125;1434841992;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: The BDH-OV conflict ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEyCU7 )
1170126;1434842011;mircea_popescu;i remember reading that at some point and not being impressed. prolly the log has my expletives, ima look.
1170127;1434842027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the question that is of interest perhaps only to me, is whether mr mold has this 'smell' on account of character defect, or because he lives in a plesu-shaped box that he found no way of escaping
1170128;1434842042;mircea_popescu;oh, you know the guy ?
1170129;1434842048;asciilifeform;from mircea_popescu's articles
1170130;1434842051;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1170131;1434842072;mircea_popescu;did you read the one about the german/romanian nobel prize woman debate ?
1170132;1434842087;asciilifeform;dont think so
1170133;1434842090;mircea_popescu;it was such fine closure.
1170134;1434842096;mircea_popescu;;;google site:trilema.com herta muller
1170135;1434842097;gribble;критика и �амокритика on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0>; Tipologiile homosexualitatii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/tipologiile-homosexualitatii>; October 2010 on Trilema - A blog by (1 more message)
1170136;1434842104;mircea_popescu;da fuck
1170137;1434842122;asciilifeform;thing about mr mold is that the impotent thrashing is very much that of the prisoner 'turning inward', as pictured in 'chess novella'
1170138;1434842204;asciilifeform;the 'cost of intelligence', as mentioned earlier by mircea_popescu, is that the clever fella is not ever content to buy rifle, weld some steel on an old van, shoot out a police station window, and die
1170139;1434842207;asciilifeform;because any moron can do that
1170140;1434842220;mircea_popescu;^
1170141;1434842239;asciilifeform;but no, he wants to use what the gods gave him.
1170142;1434842241;mircea_popescu;it's not cowardice per se, even though the drill sargeant thinks so. and the opposite view is not "deliberate stupidity"
1170143;1434842263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well it was here site:trilema.com herta muller
1170144;1434842272;mircea_popescu;oops i mean here : http://www.romanialibera.ro/cultura/dialogul-herta-muller-gabriel-liiceanu--moment-istoric-pentru-cultura-romana-200986
1170145;1434842273;assbot;            Romania libera - stiri iesite din tipar - actualitate, investigatii, politica, cultura, diaspora, video, anunturi de mica publicitate                     ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEyZ0R )
1170146;1434842279;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile it got beleeted. because press, ofcourse.
1170147;1434842290;asciilifeform;memoryholed.
1170148;1434842313;mircea_popescu;yeah. woman wiped the floor with the guy.
1170149;1434842336;mircea_popescu;and this was obviously not acceptable, being how inept as he may be, and a fraud as he may be, nevertheless he is the palatial "scientist"
1170150;1434842369;mircea_popescu;a less interested, more naive me kept no records.
1170151;1434842373;asciilifeform;'palatial scientist' only function on own turf, where he has a direct line to the palatial executioner. like lysenko did
1170152;1434842398;mircea_popescu;well it is a romanian newspaper.
1170153;1434842583;*;jurov runs crying to mircea_popsecu "i broke eulora again and chetty isn't around!!!"
1170154;1434842614;mircea_popescu;now you've done it!
1170155;1434842621;mircea_popescu;gotta wait till she comes by.
1170156;1434842625;jurov;:)
1170157;1434842665;mircea_popescu;i'm not gonna run it up myself because she was instrumented to test i dun recall what and i fear messing it up.
1170158;1434842688;mircea_popescu;in other news, a more powerful me today has the intel dept ready to fix it for him! ha-HA! https://archive.is/Tpk6O
1170159;1434842689;assbot;Dialogul Herta Muller-Gabriel Liiceanu, moment istoric pentru cultura română | Romania Libera ... ( http://bit.ly/1NegGLB )
1170160;1434842695;jurov;yea, we'd miss chetty
1170161;1434842697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ if you feel like it.
1170162;1434842703;asciilifeform;neato!
1170163;1434842715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00041447 = 9.4292 BTC [+]
1170164;1434842726;jurov;how you instrumented her?
1170165;1434842743;mircea_popescu;who what ?
1170166;1434842758;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy notably claims that he was resisting communism by not registering his typewriter.
1170167;1434842760;mircea_popescu;fancy that.
1170168;1434842768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would you believe, that type of character existed in su by the battallion
1170169;1434842771;jurov;how did you instrument chetty?
1170170;1434842773;mircea_popescu;im sure the fed is resisting socialism by not reporting all it prints to washington
1170171;1434842778;mircea_popescu;jurov she did, the server
1170172;1434842795;asciilifeform;and the basic root is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1170141
1170173;1434842795;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 23:17:19; asciilifeform: but no, he wants to use what the gods gave him.
1170174;1434842799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform course i'd believe. even met some
1170175;1434842805;jurov;i was jesting
1170176;1434842832;mircea_popescu;but you weren't instrumented for it!
1170177;1434842847;jurov;:(
1170178;1434842851;asciilifeform;thinking folks, faced with 'chop wood in magadan or prostitute for the party' tend to end up 'getting down on knees, ready to please'
1170179;1434842863;decimation;asciilifeform: yes, imagine that you were a 'closet dissenter' working for the fed.  the most 'reform' you could get away with would be symbolic at best
1170180;1434842869;asciilifeform;the exceptions - we don't even get to hear about.
1170181;1434842872;asciilifeform;(because - how?)
1170182;1434842885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in any case, i had to spend half my fucking life yelling at people that "the difference between stupid and smart is that stupid can't be smart, BUT SMART CAN BE STUPID. IF YOU'RE UNWILLING TO EVER BE STUPID YOUR SMART'S JUST ANOTHER FLAVOUR OF DUMB!1111"
1170183;1434842887;decimation;but I would also note that 'come be an inside reformer' is also a usg recruitment trick
1170184;1434842910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for how long would you personally be willing to 'run stupid on emulator' ?
1170185;1434842927;asciilifeform;keep in mind that this is considerably more than is ever asked of stupid folks
1170186;1434842930;mircea_popescu;for how long would you personally be willing to run a chip on the breadboard ?
1170187;1434842954;asciilifeform;not sure how analogous
1170188;1434842957;mircea_popescu;and no, stupid folks are perpetually asked to run smart on emulator, and they don't even have one.
1170189;1434842973;mircea_popescu;hence "<mircea_popescu> yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules."
1170190;1434843008;mircea_popescu;if intelligence is not an option, it is not intelligence.
1170191;1434843011;asciilifeform;vulp!
1170192;1434843014;mircea_popescu;lol
1170193;1434843021;mircea_popescu;vulp', all hipster like
1170194;1434843033;asciilifeform;pronounced the way davout did, or more like 'gulp' ?
1170195;1434843055;mircea_popescu;it's pronounced "phtephen"
1170196;1434843061;asciilifeform;!up ben_vulp`
1170197;1434843272;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fact is, folks who are placed in the unenviable position of 'emulate stupid' still try to use their mind. just like a prisoner in solitary cell, who theoretically does not really need legs for much of anything, will still wiggle them around
1170198;1434843284;asciilifeform;the result, in best case, tends to be something like mr mold.
1170199;1434843290;mircea_popescu;just as long as he doesn't wiggle them into kicks to his shn
1170200;1434843326;mircea_popescu;your type of intelligent person is not unlike the guard that shoots himself on the third day, because bored.
1170201;1434843348;asciilifeform;phun phakt: when i worked in u.s. army, a guard on the campus did just that
1170202;1434843355;asciilifeform;whether it was on account of boredom, i never learned
1170203;1434843420;mircea_popescu;not a very good guard.
1170204;1434843424;asciilifeform;the difficulty of 'emulate stupid for the rest of your life' is likely the reason for the infamous u.s. police dept. which figured in a lawsuit where some schmuck was rejected from police academ for scoring too high on 'iq test'
1170205;1434843453;mircea_popescu;the difficulty's not in question. the difficulty of finding wet cunts biweekly for the rest of your life is even more burdensome
1170206;1434843454;mircea_popescu;what of it.
1170207;1434843523;asciilifeform;incidentally, here in usaschwitz we have a plague called 'overqualification'
1170208;1434843554;asciilifeform;where god help you if you have, say, uni degree and history of serious technical work, and suddenly need to make ends meet by digging trenches, washing dishes, etc
1170209;1434843562;mircea_popescu;amusingly, it existed on the porn sets too.
1170210;1434843572;mircea_popescu;most people wouldn't hire girls what went to school for the longest time.
1170211;1434843580;asciilifeform;-- unless you can fabricate a convincing 'blue collar' work history and biography (in which case, work for cia...) you're phucked
1170212;1434843623;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#813861 << the previous pass through that thing if anyone gas.
1170213;1434843623;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2014 00:38:19; mircea_popescu: "This should be reason enough for anyone to avoid taking up cudgels on behalf of either."
1170214;1434843750;asciilifeform;^ speaking of which, brings back to the point of whether mr mold is a disinfo agent. not that i can say definitively, but imho the best argument that he is not, is the difficulty of formulating a picture of a hypothetical 'moldbug minus the restraint' who does ~not~ advocate inaction
1170215;1434843755;asciilifeform;what would this even look like?
1170216;1434843775;asciilifeform;the question of why he is still alive and walking free in usaschwitz would naturally invite itself
1170217;1434843806;asciilifeform;(leaving aside, even, the question of just ~what kind~ of non-inaction he would advocate..)
1170218;1434843880;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist/#selection-933.0-933.687 << related, mostly because of the "The world belongs to the active, not to the thoughtful."
1170219;1434843881;assbot;"Why I am not a white nationalist" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEBrV7 )
1170220;1434843889;mircea_popescu;yes, it is better to be smart and active than it is to be stupid and active.
1170221;1434843896;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, being smart embodies no benefit.
1170222;1434843904;asciilifeform;e.coli may not be very clever, but they have 'active' down pat.
1170223;1434843909;asciilifeform;so perhaps world belongs - to them.
1170224;1434843918;asciilifeform;(or to cockroaches?)
1170225;1434843960;mircea_popescu;i don't seem to be much bothered by either, but sure.
1170226;1434843988;decimation;only bothered if they manage to overpower your similiarly active immune system
1170227;1434844071;mircea_popescu;which is in no part active because an intelligent being somewhere has failed to feed it crap for decades now
1170228;1434844088;mircea_popescu;no small part*
1170229;1434844121;asciilifeform;which brings back to the 'die in the van' thing
1170230;1434844135;asciilifeform;and, for that matter, last week's question about coherent laser light
1170231;1434844141;mircea_popescu;"Ian Smith could never have achieved any political prominence in prewar Britain, because his origins were decidedly middle-class": what, unlike Ramsay MacDonald, who was the bastard son of a farm servant, and twice PM?
1170232;1434844148;asciilifeform;(as in, what makes it more interesting from an engineering perspective than white light)
1170233;1434844152;mircea_popescu;first comment, too.
1170234;1434844156;mircea_popescu;must suck to not have a clue.
1170235;1434844202;asciilifeform;and the question of what differentiates a proper war from an idiot jaquerie
1170236;1434844216;asciilifeform;(of which europe saw fuck knows how many, and all ended exactly the same way)
1170237;1434844397;mircea_popescu;ever read caragiale's story of 1907 ?
1170238;1434844423;asciilifeform;dont think so
1170239;1434844531;mircea_popescu;it is excellent, on one hand because the man is supremely qualified - he is, no doubts about it, he who wrote romania's software, since the kingdom days - and because he actually lived it and saw it, and its context. top notch historical primary source.
1170240;1434844549;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/o-bucatica-de-istorie-sau-1907-din-primavara-pina-in-toamna-de-ion-luca-caragiale/
1170241;1434844550;assbot;O bucatica de istorie, sau 1907 din primavara pina in toamna, de Ion Luca Caragiale on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TECwfC )
1170242;1434844559;mircea_popescu;it was memory holed at the time, and not well known since.
1170243;1434844587;mircea_popescu;!up cosmo
1170244;1434844617;cosmo;my what great service
1170245;1434844662;jurov;yes, amazing
1170246;1434844662;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1170247;1434844666;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1170248;1434844667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50208 @ 0.00040752 = 20.4608 BTC [-] {3} 
1170249;1434844733;cosmo;is bitshares legit
1170250;1434844748;mircea_popescu;!s bitshares
1170251;1434844749;assbot;30 results for 'bitshares' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitshares
1170252;1434844796;cosmo;i like what they're doing but i'm not sure how their 'shares' or coins or whatever are minted/distributed
1170253;1434844819;mircea_popescu;you're too new here to say "i"
1170254;1434844839;cosmo;:( okay
1170255;1434844911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00040558 = 7.199 BTC [-]
1170256;1434845008;cosmo;all in on ppc
1170257;1434845129;cazalla;cosmo, whether bitshares, ppc, ethereum's ether etc etc, they all have one thing in common
1170258;1434845142;cosmo;and what's that cazalla ?
1170259;1434845176;cazalla;its creators and followers are super keen to sell their 2.0 creation for bitcoin
1170260;1434845214;cosmo;:D
1170261;1434845225;cosmo;bitshares seems to be doing an interesting job with pegged assets
1170262;1434845250;cosmo;and btc-e minting 5m ppc? something's up, i'll ride along
1170263;1434845253;mircea_popescu;that reads like it was written by cosmo.
1170264;1434845259;mircea_popescu;put some substance in the vapid verbiage oy.
1170265;1434845279;cosmo;at least you're not the kickban type
1170266;1434845347;cazalla;mircea_popescu, lol so is the contined "x is doing something interesting"
1170267;1434845368;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1170268;1434845375;cazalla;continued even.. anyway cosmo forget the rest.. get ur bitcoin on
1170269;1434845460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00040558 = 1.8859 BTC [-]
1170270;1434845689;trinque;asciilifeform: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531268 << "Ugly hack was added to dieharder-3.31.1-r1." hehehe
1170271;1434845692;assbot;Bug 531268 – app-crypt/dieharder-3.31.1 - In file included from bits.c:7: /usr/include/unistd.h:1043:20: error: unknown type name 'intptr_t' ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEE9tE )
1170272;1434845705;trinque;I'm beginning to see that mathemetician-code is a thing.
1170273;1434845713;asciilifeform;what am i looking at
1170274;1434845722;asciilifeform;(other than corpse of 'diehard'. which is obvious)
1170275;1434845757;trinque;asciilifeform: I lobbied the maintainer to patch the thing so it'd build
1170276;1434845766;asciilifeform;all ~i~ know is:
1170277;1434845774;asciilifeform; $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
1170278;1434845774;asciilifeform;-rw-rw-r-- 1 portage portage 1149780 Oct 14  2011 /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
1170279;1434845780;asciilifeform;it built on by box and runs there.
1170280;1434845788;trinque;older glibc?
1170281;1434845789;asciilifeform;at some point since - i'm told - stopped
1170282;1434845798;asciilifeform;so culprit is to be found, and fed into woodchipper
1170283;1434845806;asciilifeform;all other solutions are half-measures.
1170284;1434845885;trinque;sounds like the build system for it is totally fucked
1170285;1434845890;asciilifeform;glibc belongs in woodchipper regardless
1170286;1434845894;trinque;one more on the pile of "needs to be rewritten by non-mathemetician"
1170287;1434845898;asciilifeform;it has been praying, begging for it, for years
1170288;1434845911;asciilifeform;fuck that. 'mathematician code' or not, it FUCKING WORKED IN 2011
1170289;1434845922;trinque;doesn't mean it was any good then
1170290;1434845924;asciilifeform;and does ~not~ today on no fault of its own
1170291;1434845928;mircea_popescu;"Large areas of X, including entire major cities, have been ethnically cleansed by the departure of class-B people fleeing class-A violence."
1170292;1434845942;mircea_popescu;fucking bullshit. the dicklets are fleeing to escape their own ~sexual~ impotence.
1170293;1434845948;trinque;asciilifeform: ah I don't buy that; the hairbrained thing it was doing is in that bug thread, I think
1170294;1434845980;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: come to usa incognito (parachute?) sometime, i'll take you on a tour of 'what they escaped'
1170295;1434846016;*;asciilifeform took the 'grandest' version of this tour once, in an old armoured wagen
1170296;1434846025;mircea_popescu;you recall, i traveled the polace by bus ? hung out with black dudes in the back of greyhounds ?
1170297;1434846037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: boston?
1170298;1434846040;mircea_popescu;i dun need you to show me the port quarter. can find on own
1170299;1434846057;asciilifeform;do find.
1170300;1434846062;mircea_popescu;the incident in question where they assaulted some schmuky blond kid (and the police had to come - i wouldn't have bothered) was iirc alabama
1170301;1434846068;mircea_popescu;maybe south carolina. thereabouts
1170302;1434846070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00040558 = 5.7592 BTC [-]
1170303;1434846129;mircea_popescu;they are running away from their own sexual impotence.
1170304;1434846132;asciilifeform;breaking everything not made of unbreakables and pissing/shitting/throwing fast 'food' garbage where one stands is 'sexual potence' ?
1170305;1434846149;mircea_popescu;saying "nigger" is trolling ?
1170306;1434846150;mircea_popescu;depends where.
1170307;1434846222;mircea_popescu;violence got nothing to do with it, it's a convenient scapegoat. like 13 yo girls claiming they don't want to associate with boys because they smell, rather than the obvious "my vagina's not yet developed enough"
1170308;1434846272;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja visit the charred ruins left over from the folks for whom 'violence has nothing to do with it' burned to the ground ?
1170309;1434846311;asciilifeform;i can admit some explanation of 'why burned' but to say that 'had nothing to do with it' is a tall glass to drink
1170310;1434846316;mircea_popescu;i honestly, if i had to pick, would side with the "evil niggers" and beat the shit out of the pesky internet-addled "civilised" folk.
1170311;1434846320;mircea_popescu;they're abominable.
1170312;1434846331;asciilifeform;welcome to zimbabwe ?
1170313;1434846335;asciilifeform;iirc they did this
1170314;1434846346;mircea_popescu;nah, different demographics.
1170315;1434846354;asciilifeform;how? slower modems ?
1170316;1434846358;mircea_popescu;ironically, in zimbabwe i'd have definitely shot some mugabewites.
1170317;1434846371;mircea_popescu;no, the boers were the hardy folk there.
1170318;1434846375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00040558 = 2.8796 BTC [-]
1170319;1434846377;mircea_popescu;shoulda shot the whole lot of niggers up.
1170320;1434846387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing is, taking a side requires there ~being~ a side.
1170321;1434846392;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1170322;1434846394;asciilifeform;ussr tried to take 'the black side', result was comical
1170323;1434846406;mircea_popescu;the discussion i'm derrinding, with "A's and B's" pretends there is
1170324;1434846421;mircea_popescu;and i am pointing out that in that story... the author's side is abominable, and the story doesn't even credibly flow as he claims.
1170325;1434846432;asciilifeform;mr mold, for his part, does eventually admit that the black mobs were an instrument of somebody quite else
1170326;1434846443;asciilifeform;(a thesis he stole from 'the death of the american city')
1170327;1434846461;mircea_popescu;im fully unconvinced by all this complicated, farcical, cinquecento-ish "string of instruments" puppet theatre.
1170328;1434846469;mircea_popescu;i read italian, but i'm not an italian.
1170329;1434846487;mircea_popescu;amusingly, plenty of usians are becoming quite end-of-world italians these days
1170330;1434846507;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170296 <<< perhaps this explains the recent avalanche black cock tumblr images?
1170331;1434846507;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 00:20:25; mircea_popescu: you recall, i traveled the polace by bus ? hung out with black dudes in the back of greyhounds ?
1170332;1434846524;mircea_popescu;cazalla was like a decade ago.
1170333;1434846550;cazalla;well what do they say? abscence makes the heart grow fonder? :P
1170334;1434846593;mircea_popescu;lol
1170335;1434846613;mircea_popescu;look, there is absolutely no way you will sell me on the theory that the leaving male is anything but the sexual inferior.
1170336;1434846620;mircea_popescu;nature doesn't change while i sleep.
1170337;1434846672;mircea_popescu;sure, every individual can do whatever the fuck they please for whatever random reasons, but when you're trying to discuss migration in statistical terms like he tries to discuss it - it's always a sexual matter.
1170338;1434846693;cazalla;reminds me of the hamstrung kid in high school who hits back at his bullies but is inevitably bullied by teachers as well for responding
1170339;1434846700;mircea_popescu;forget for a moment all the counting of "how many niggers ate white babies" or w/e and riddle me this :
1170340;1434846715;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't a boxing match if one of the fellas in the ring has a pistol. the hordes had usg on their side
1170341;1434846715;decimation;so moving to the ghetto and having your children play with needles on the street is what a real man would do?
1170342;1434846718;mircea_popescu;how many white boys got sent upstate and ended up pimping out the female guards  ?
1170343;1434846734;mircea_popescu;and how many black boys are doing a shrem impersonation with "of course plea bargain" etc ?
1170344;1434846743;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaactually quite a few
1170345;1434846746;mircea_popescu;decimation yes. a real man would make more children.
1170346;1434846746;decimation;heh yeah
1170347;1434846753;decimation;okay.
1170348;1434846769;asciilifeform;!up wiz_
1170349;1434846772;asciilifeform;^ winner
1170350;1434846777;mircea_popescu;it is pretty by definition. what else ?
1170351;1434846782;decimation;I'm making children
1170352;1434846785;mircea_popescu;a real cuisinart would make more cake batter.
1170353;1434846799;decimation;but I have no reason to see them raised in a seething cesspool of crime
1170354;1434846800;asciilifeform;again you folks all lose and e.coli wins
1170355;1434846801;mircea_popescu;im not judging you in any sense. this is a sociology argument
1170356;1434846805;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1170357;1434846813;mircea_popescu;let them go into the cesspool and die.
1170358;1434846819;mircea_popescu;make more, you'll end up with some better ones.
1170359;1434846837;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'die' is not worst outcome of this hypothetical
1170360;1434846840;cazalla;to make this many kids though one would need to engage in a little rape eh
1170361;1434846845;mircea_popescu;you're not their mother. your job is to get them killed.
1170362;1434846881;mircea_popescu;cazalla you'd be surprised how many women are ready to go, in places like teh usistan.
1170363;1434846918;cazalla;you're gonna wanna double wrap it with such women though? defeats the purpose of fucking them to begin with
1170364;1434846929;mircea_popescu;lmao
1170365;1434846946;mircea_popescu;well, jack off next to them and release flies from your flies jar then
1170366;1434846960;asciilifeform;l0l did we do the fly jar here?
1170367;1434846965;mircea_popescu;might not be a real man, but it is pretty awesome crab-like
1170368;1434846965;asciilifeform;i distinctly recall!
1170369;1434847017;mircea_popescu;wonky freenode today eh
1170370;1434847038;asciilifeform;monkey at ft meade was slow to change blown fuse.
1170371;1434847056;mircea_popescu;i saw the hardware kind recently. was a surprise
1170372;1434847059;mircea_popescu;they were russian made.
1170373;1434847074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: edisonian 'screw fuse' ?
1170374;1434847084;mircea_popescu;yuppers
1170375;1434847087;asciilifeform;or the resetable kind
1170376;1434847091;mircea_popescu;exact same ceramic and cheap zamac caps
1170377;1434847108;asciilifeform;guess what, until recently i lived in a dwelling in usa with ~just such~ fuse
1170378;1434847154;asciilifeform;located at the top of a stairwell to nowhere in a deep cellar, top of staircase bricked up (near the base, a ~working~ toilet in the middle of bare cement, incidentally)
1170379;1434847187;asciilifeform;plenty of folks here still live in such places, because just about every shop sells these fuses.
1170380;1434847214;mircea_popescu;odd
1170381;1434847223;mircea_popescu;the automatics are both better cheaper and easer to use
1170382;1434847232;asciilifeform;but someone would have to install them
1170383;1434847233;mircea_popescu;they even sell screw-in automatics
1170384;1434847237;asciilifeform;in those 1920s shitpits
1170385;1434847249;asciilifeform;the screw-ins tend to be taller than edisonians, and panel won't close
1170386;1434847253;asciilifeform;this is illegal per building code.
1170387;1434847260;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1170388;1434847262;mircea_popescu;get out.
1170389;1434847273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu knew story would come to just such an observation, didn't he
1170390;1434847281;mircea_popescu;so they inspect ?
1170391;1434847298;asciilifeform;i witnessed inspections. did not know if 'fuse box closes' was on the list.
1170392;1434847322;mircea_popescu;you have to appreciate i come from a land where a fire drill would have been laughed out of town
1170393;1434847324;mircea_popescu;and moved to a similar one.
1170394;1434847332;asciilifeform;aha
1170395;1434847342;mircea_popescu;i recently discussed matters of student housing with a girl the right age from there
1170396;1434847365;mircea_popescu;and i explain that yes, at the time girls just lived in whichever room, usually moving around for a day or a week or whatever by their friendship or allegiances or who had bfs over
1170397;1434847382;mircea_popescu;romanian campus, hs and college, was always basicalyl one large slumbert party.
1170398;1434847397;mircea_popescu;apparently in the us this wouldn't ever work because... inspections
1170399;1434847412;mircea_popescu;and at that point my film broke. nigga... say wut ?! who's going to go knocking on your door ?!
1170400;1434847418;mircea_popescu;and she was like... whywould they knock
1170401;1434847436;mircea_popescu;such is the weird of socialism.
1170402;1434847514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the dorm i lived in still had relics from the time of sex-segregated floors of bldg: bathrooms tiled in the traditional sickly pink or blue signifiers
1170403;1434847527;asciilifeform;(in my time the separation was by left-right wings of floor)
1170404;1434847539;mircea_popescu;generally the buildings are segregated, yes.
1170405;1434847549;asciilifeform;as in whole bldg ?
1170406;1434847551;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is mostly because human males do not actually wish to sleep with human females.
1170407;1434847552;mircea_popescu;yes.
1170408;1434847559;asciilifeform;this went out of style in usa some 50yrs ago
1170409;1434847564;asciilifeform;but is sop in sov world, yes
1170410;1434847570;mircea_popescu;i doubt to anyone's benefit, but okay.
1170411;1434847582;*;asciilifeform did not cancel it himself, only watched
1170412;1434847663;asciilifeform;actually mircea_popescu has mega-point:
1170413;1434847700;*;asciilifeform lived for a spell as 'illegal agent' in the gurlz' wing, was not esp. quiet place
1170414;1434847749;mircea_popescu;i don't think there exists a culture in which boys past the age of sexual maturity show any preference whatever to sleep with the women, just like girls of all ages much prefer to.
1170415;1434847837;mircea_popescu;!up JPT
1170416;1434847839;mircea_popescu;!up decimati1n
1170417;1434847963;mircea_popescu;!up ericp4
1170418;1434848055;mircea_popescu;reading comments on unqualified reservations, it occurs to me the main reason this guy got to be popular was being so amply wrong about so many things.
1170419;1434848060;mircea_popescu;gives people something to talk about
1170420;1434848449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00040352 = 1.3316 BTC [-] {2} 
1170421;1434849304;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169687 << not really for this purpose. needs the cpu noise.
1170422;1434849304;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 18:16:21; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169570 << actually works great on desktops. peripheral wiring (and power line) - excellent antennae
1170423;1434849383;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169705 << pretty great
1170424;1434849383;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 18:29:13; asciilifeform: (there is an apocryphal story where feynman was invited to spoodge into william shockley's 'sperm bank of genius.' and he said 'you have the wrong address! go call my father'
1170425;1434849387;asciilifeform;only if cpu is the objective
1170426;1434849393;asciilifeform;if kbd, ethernet, etc - no
1170427;1434849422;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, i'm at the tail end of some very gnarly therealbitcoin surgery
1170428;1434849466;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1170429;1434849473;asciilifeform;no one should even dare to think of using what i'm about to drop in the ml, anywhere close to the front lines, without ~several~ literate folks having first read it.
1170430;1434849504;asciilifeform;(this goes for all patches, but most of all this one. it affects virtually every major subsystem)
1170431;1434849529;mircea_popescu;so then why make it ?
1170432;1434849535;asciilifeform;also presupposes dns-zappers part 1 through 3, without which it is meaningless
1170433;1434849551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the objective is total removal of dns such that static build becomes possible.
1170434;1434849571;mircea_popescu;that ends up touching everything ?!
1170435;1434849601;asciilifeform;see for yourself. grep your tree, case-insensitively, for 'dns' and then for 'lookup'
1170436;1434849608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00040987 = 1.7624 BTC [+]
1170437;1434849716;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> !up ben_vulp` << 'tis the french pronounciation
1170438;1434849988;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> yes, it is better to be smart and active than it is to be stupid and active. << balanced against that "impotent activity"
1170439;1434850052;mircea_popescu;the thing is, derp sitting at home and seeking supportive subreddits for his drawings is never going to figure out he's fucked in the head.
1170440;1434850065;mircea_popescu;meanwhile guy trying to piss on electric fence won't stay stupid long
1170441;1434850068;mircea_popescu;one way or another.
1170442;1434850083;*;ben_vulpes has lost track of all the zappings from unexpectedly electrified...trees
1170443;1434850157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15952 @ 0.00040778 = 6.5049 BTC [-] {2} 
1170444;1434850537;asciilifeform;aaaand...
1170445;1434850540;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1170446;1434850542;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000100.html
1170447;1434850543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ez99vv )
1170448;1434850550;asciilifeform;'(EXPERIMENTAL) Full DNS Thermonuke!'
1170449;1434850615;ben_vulpes;ooh
1170450;1434850643;asciilifeform;fully static build should now be theoretically possible.
1170451;1434850686;mod6;oh nice.
1170452;1434850687;*;mod6 looks
1170453;1434850698;asciilifeform;needs testing
1170454;1434850704;asciilifeform;not simply 'does it fetch blocks' (it does)
1170455;1434850706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00041447 = 1.9895 BTC [+]
1170456;1434850763;asciilifeform;but specifically of several affected pieces such as -addnode
1170457;1434850766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if the irc falls over for whatever reason this thing is dead.
1170458;1434850777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not meant to rely on rc
1170459;1434850779;asciilifeform;irc
1170460;1434850782;asciilifeform;but to use as we discussed
1170461;1434850785;asciilifeform;with config file
1170462;1434850787;mircea_popescu;aha.
1170463;1434850802;mircea_popescu;so this is actually something of purely academic interest - shoud not be run as is period.
1170464;1434850803;asciilifeform;irc is only in there because presently this is very easy means of discovering mostly-ungavinized nodes
1170465;1434850822;mircea_popescu;ya
1170466;1434850822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually this is the only version that could conceivably function on uclibc/pogo
1170467;1434850841;mircea_popescu;but only after we get a seed list
1170468;1434850850;asciilifeform;hence we need seeds
1170469;1434850879;asciilifeform;it is also one minor patch away from having all magic/hardcoded net addrs stripped away
1170470;1434850890;asciilifeform;and hence long-term rom-weaponizable.
1170471;1434850899;mircea_popescu;nb,
1170472;1434850968;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes would the foundation spin up an aws and run this ?
1170473;1434851017;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: you now have homework. it being, to read & actually grok the sequence of 4 'dns thermonuke' patches.
1170474;1434851032;asciilifeform;(1st 3 are rather simple)
1170475;1434851044;mircea_popescu;basically it takes out fNameLookup and forces a function to always return false.
1170476;1434851051;asciilifeform;not only.
1170477;1434851066;asciilifeform;also excises the cruft that was invoked when the latter was true
1170478;1434851076;asciilifeform;and also removes hardcoded hostname from irc.cpp
1170479;1434851084;asciilifeform;and removes dns disable flag from args parser
1170480;1434851086;mircea_popescu;        CAddress addrIRC("irc.lfnet.org", 6667, true);
1170481;1434851087;mircea_popescu;ya
1170482;1434851097;asciilifeform;anyway no point in recounting the lines of the patch here
1170483;1434851104;asciilifeform;who wants - go, read
1170484;1434851108;asciilifeform;ferphuxxsake read.
1170485;1434851147;asciilifeform;after satisfied with this patch, therealbitcoin folks ought to try the static build again
1170486;1434851153;mircea_popescu;         CAddress addrConnect("92.243.23.21", 6667); // irc.lfnet.org << would it be wiser if we spin up an ircd special for this purpose ?
1170487;1434851157;asciilifeform;and see if the libnss idiocy goes away quietly
1170488;1434851160;mircea_popescu;that way it can be fuzzed
1170489;1434851166;ben_vulpes;wouldn't be the foundation mircea_popescu so much as my personal account
1170490;1434851170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the irc module has begged to be fuzzed long ago
1170491;1434851180;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i'd donate teh cost
1170492;1434851181;asciilifeform;there is some gnarly string handling in there, and i quite suspect it is exploitable
1170493;1434851188;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform makes two of us.
1170494;1434851190;asciilifeform;which is why i'd kinda like to lose the irc thing eventually
1170495;1434851197;mircea_popescu;fuzz it first.
1170496;1434851203;ben_vulpes;ooh fuzzing
1170497;1434851213;asciilifeform;right now it is simply a very convenient spot to find pre-gavinization nodes
1170498;1434851222;mircea_popescu;or fuzzers.
1170499;1434851227;asciilifeform;aha.
1170500;1434851242;asciilifeform;i must now confess that i began this a while ago, but never had time to properly pursue.
1170501;1434851245;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: if you're willing to donate the cost, why not run it through the bitcoin host?
1170502;1434851259;mircea_popescu;rechristian it as the bitcoin foundation too ?
1170503;1434851281;ben_vulpes;eh, pardon?
1170504;1434851305;mircea_popescu;to which part ?
1170505;1434851315;ben_vulpes;the rechristening
1170506;1434851335;ben_vulpes;rechristen la serenissima's bitcoin host as the bitcoin foundation?
1170507;1434851340;mircea_popescu;if the bitcoin host is the go-to thing for this job, it's the bitcoin foundation.
1170508;1434851377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00041485 = 2.3024 BTC [+] {2} 
1170509;1434851388;asciilifeform;i think mircea_popescu is trying to say that jurov ought to break open the piggy and pony up
1170510;1434851395;mircea_popescu;a not at all.
1170511;1434851395;asciilifeform;if bitcoin-host is to host this
1170512;1434851456;mircea_popescu;contrariwise - that why we have teh foundation is centrally so it participates in this sort of activity
1170513;1434851461;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes would the foundation spin up an aws and run this ? << I can test this with my aws, sure.  unless you guys are proposing something else i.e. spinning up our own ircd
1170514;1434851482;ben_vulpes;mod6: i think the ask is for a long-running public node.
1170515;1434851483;mircea_popescu;mod6 how valuable and how difficult dja think spinning an ircd compatible with lfnet would be ?
1170516;1434851513;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, this is a temporary test thing, to see just how bad alf's latest butchery affects things
1170517;1434851534;*;asciilifeform hoses off chopping block
1170518;1434851552;*;mod6 thinks
1170519;1434851556;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://gist.github.com/bcoles/982695
1170520;1434851557;assbot;monitors irc.lfnet.org:6667#bitcoin and extracts user details ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWsC8p )
1170521;1434851561;ben_vulpes;aha well i'll be testing it on my own checkbook's back anyways
1170522;1434851583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha 10,001 folks wrote some version of this
1170523;1434851587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu : i certainly had one
1170524;1434851589;mircea_popescu;aha
1170525;1434851618;mod6;well, i've run ircd hybrid many times myself.  ran one for /years/.  but not sure what lfnet is about really.  need to look into that.  but whatever it might be, it'll need to be resistant to getting packeted, unless just run for a short time for testing.
1170526;1434851663;mircea_popescu;you run it closed loop, with your own bitcoin-as-snipped above
1170527;1434851671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: though for some odd reason the linked script joins #bitcoin rather than #bitcoinXX (where XX in {0, 99})
1170528;1434851674;mircea_popescu;part of it is to see how well bitcoin holds up by being hosed from the irc side.
1170529;1434851692;mircea_popescu;part of it is to have a backup in case lfnet is a piece of shit / the enemy. which is pretty likely.
1170530;1434851702;asciilifeform;as far as i can see, there is nothing nonstandard about lfnet
1170531;1434851716;asciilifeform;channels #bitcoin00 through #bitcoin99 must exist or auto-create
1170532;1434851719;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think they run more or less basic ircd ya
1170533;1434851719;asciilifeform;that's more or less it.
1170534;1434851765;asciilifeform;i will repeat my observation that the irc seeder thing ~does not belong in the client~
1170535;1434851771;mod6;CAddress addrConnect("92.243.23.21", 6667); // irc.lfnet.org << would it be wiser if we spin up an ircd special for this purpose ? << i think we should make this ip non-static, configurable from a file. these IPs can change at anytime/be honeynet, etc.
1170536;1434851784;asciilifeform;if someone wants to extract seeds from that thing in real time, and forward them to therealbitcoin - that'd be grand
1170537;1434851792;mircea_popescu;mod6 we've not yet put the entire that change in yet, apparently, because one per.
1170538;1434851792;asciilifeform;but the gnarly piece of shit irc.cpp gotta go.
1170539;1434851802;asciilifeform;mod6: i deliberately left that out
1170540;1434851808;asciilifeform;(as explained on ml)
1170541;1434851825;decimation;why not ircd that is linked to assbot wot?
1170542;1434851833;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 we've not yet put the entire that change in yet, apparently, because one per. << makes sense. just wanted to "voice" that concern.
1170543;1434851856;asciilifeform;mod6: i am trying to set a kind of example for how one ought to do the patches
1170544;1434851862;mod6;I like it.
1170545;1434851864;asciilifeform;that somewhat flies in the face of the tradition of 'all in one pot'
1170546;1434851872;asciilifeform;because we are not running 'chinese restaurant'
1170547;1434851889;mircea_popescu;decimation gossipd is not ready yet. freenode you mean ?
1170548;1434851892;mod6;yeah, it's good. breaks things up a bit, easier to read.
1170549;1434851902;decimation;I guess I mean something like gossipd
1170550;1434851918;asciilifeform;gossipd is strictly necessary - if only for authenticable nodes
1170551;1434851926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00042177 = 4.8082 BTC [+]
1170552;1434851938;asciilifeform;(at the moment, enemy controlling routing backbone can silently diddle virtually everything)
1170553;1434851950;mod6;So currently, I'm trying to get gcc patched to see if we can even build the R.I. with gcc/uclibc.  Would it be prudent to finish that work before moving on to testing this DNS amputation?
1170554;1434851962;mod6;I think that would be the best course of action.
1170555;1434851973;asciilifeform;mod6: not sure how you intend to build a dns-using thing with uclibc
1170556;1434851973;mircea_popescu;mod6 depends on how advanced the work is. how advanced is it ?
1170557;1434851981;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see those gcc bugs?
1170558;1434851988;asciilifeform;decimation: i saw a number of gcc bugs
1170559;1434852031;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160207
1170560;1434852031;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2015 03:34:37; decimation: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue
1170561;1434852069;decimation;something about weak symbols being optimized out under certain conditions
1170562;1434852076;mod6;I, with trinque's help, need to patch gcc 4.8.4 with gentoo using /etc/portage/patches via ebuild flag(?).  If that works, then I can test that the R.I. will link properly.  If that works, maybe we finally have static apple pie.
1170563;1434852093;mod6;Probably need a week to sort it out -- might take rest of month.
1170564;1434852097;decimation;might explain mod6's weird ulibc link shit
1170565;1434852174;mod6;For me, doing this first is imperitive as even if the DNS amputation works, if we can't compile it with uclibc, it doesn't matter anyway.
1170566;1434852186;decimation;at any rate, I'm going on a geologic tour tomorrow, I need to catch some sleep
1170567;1434852192;mod6;night
1170568;1434852197;asciilifeform;goodnight decimation
1170569;1434852198;decimation;good luck with debugging gcc
1170570;1434852204;mircea_popescu;mod6 aite.
1170571;1434852216;mod6;Does that make sense? Or am I off course here?
1170572;1434852219;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: what order to try things in is up to you lot
1170573;1434852224;mircea_popescu;this thing is not so much an emergency as something that needs to be done. if it sees the light of box this month say it's perfect.
1170574;1434852252;mod6;Ok, no prob. :]
1170575;1434852277;mod6;I'll put it in the list.  We'll revisit all of this soon.
1170576;1434852391;mircea_popescu;anwyay. there's no argument that the irc thing has to go.
1170577;1434852401;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: not sure how you intend to build a dns-using thing with uclibc << this is a chicken/egg problem yeah.  maybe we can't get it fully built because of the whole gethostbyname libnss bullshit.  but if we can at least ensure that it'll link properly, that's huge.  then, even if it's not fully statuc because of that, we can amputate dns with your patches and retry.
1170578;1434852480;mod6;by "link properly", i mean overcoming this:
1170579;1434852480;mod6;/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
1170580;1434852544;mod6;decimation: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue << i just really hope this applies cleanly, and "works".
1170581;1434852546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWuded )
1170582;1434852567;mod6;if not, we might have to McGuyver our own patch.
1170583;1434852599;asciilifeform;incidentally,
1170584;1434852605;asciilifeform;why aren't we using a period gcc ?
1170585;1434852616;mod6;or upgrade to a much more uplevel version of gcc to test and see if that works instead.  iirc, version 5.x included a fix for this? maybe 4.9.x did too.
1170586;1434852639;asciilifeform;anyone tried 3.x ?
1170587;1434852641;mod6;period gcc? as-in, something very recent?
1170588;1434852646;asciilifeform;mno
1170589;1434852647;mircea_popescu;as in of 2011
1170590;1434852648;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea
1170591;1434852649;asciilifeform;aha
1170592;1434852654;mircea_popescu;3.7 ?
1170593;1434852683;asciilifeform;somebody wanna go down into cellar and fetch a 2011 (or prior) gcc tarball, hash, sign ?
1170594;1434852689;mod6;ah, hmm. sure, we could give that a shot instead if you think its worth my/our time.
1170595;1434852692;ben_vulpes;more vendored dependencies!
1170596;1434852709;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: compilator is ~the~ dependency
1170597;1434852715;asciilifeform;all else - small change, in comparison.
1170598;1434852717;*;ben_vulpes nods
1170599;1434852811;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah, definitely. esp if current one giving you trouble.
1170600;1434852824;mod6;So, I think I'm gonna stay the course on trying to patch 4.8.4... if we get into a giant hassle with it, we'll cut bait for the time being and try to build something like 3.7 and try that.
1170601;1434852853;mircea_popescu;aha.
1170602;1434852858;mod6;I think trinque and I need like 2 evenings of working on it to find out how ugly its gonna be.
1170603;1434852874;trinque;mod6: I'll be home in roughly an hour btw
1170604;1434852895;trinque;I have no strong opinion regarding uclibc vs glibc, as I haven't used the former at all before this
1170605;1434852915;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: btw, irc is still in there for another reason: how node gets own external ipv4
1170606;1434852921;mod6;either have I, but glibc is full of trickery.
1170607;1434852923;asciilifeform;this, too, will have to find a new home
1170608;1434852940;mircea_popescu;config file.
1170609;1434852952;mircea_popescu;computers get their public names the same way women do : owner states it.
1170610;1434852952;asciilifeform;logical place for it
1170611;1434852962;asciilifeform;except gets gnarly with dynamic ip boxes
1170612;1434852985;mircea_popescu;bitcoin, not for the very poor.
1170613;1434853008;mircea_popescu;C block allocation was, last i checked, <100 a year.
1170614;1434853078;asciilifeform;afaik no u.s. residential isp has any place to plug these in
1170615;1434853094;asciilifeform;(this is minor annoyance where i live, my ip changes 1-2x/year)
1170616;1434853100;trinque;^same
1170617;1434853117;trinque;or cumcast will sell you one for 10-15 extra per month
1170618;1434853128;mod6;yeah i think my /27 used to be like ~$10/mo
1170619;1434853138;mircea_popescu;srsly, 10 bux.
1170620;1434853144;asciilifeform;'verizon' fiber will not sell static in residential zone for any price.
1170621;1434853146;*;asciilifeform tried
1170622;1434853161;trinque;verizon are known scamz0rz
1170623;1434853173;mircea_popescu;i guess you're stuck servicing the things
1170624;1434853179;asciilifeform;also known as only supplier of reasonable net pipe in the entire region
1170625;1434853185;asciilifeform;(for residential zones)
1170626;1434853203;mod6;yeah that /27 was through Qwest (now CenturyLink (usg isp)), now 1 static is included from cumcast "out of the box" iirc.
1170627;1434853204;trinque;cronjob curl and icanhazip.com lol
1170628;1434853208;mircea_popescu;well... you don't plan on being there long anyway, so.
1170629;1434853208;*;trinque starts driving
1170630;1434853271;asciilifeform;btw am i the only one who thinks it to be utterly retarded that the protocol requires a node to know own external ip ?
1170631;1434853290;mircea_popescu;i don't think so.
1170632;1434853308;asciilifeform;say i connect to remote machine. it ought to know where i connected from
1170633;1434853308;mircea_popescu;what's so retarded about it ?
1170634;1434853315;asciilifeform;by virtue of my having connected
1170635;1434853316;mircea_popescu;why ?
1170636;1434853324;asciilifeform;just how ip works
1170637;1434853331;mircea_popescu;not so, hence proxies.
1170638;1434853410;asciilifeform;requiring folks to have reasonable nat-traversal arrangements would not be insane, i think
1170639;1434853431;mircea_popescu;more insane than requiring machines to know their name.
1170640;1434853451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6866 @ 0.00042177 = 2.8959 BTC [+]
1170641;1434853595;ben_vulpes;myeah this gets back to my question about the necessity of the IP address in the protocol.
1170642;1434853606;ben_vulpes;a) how is this an actually necessary thing
1170643;1434853606;ben_vulpes;and
1170644;1434853617;ben_vulpes;no, no b.
1170645;1434853658;ben_vulpes;by virtue of the socket being opened, the receiving node should be able to just write to that (file descriptor, i think is the abstraction?) and let the NIC handle the package addressing - correct?
1170646;1434853662;ben_vulpes;packet*
1170647;1434853715;ben_vulpes;i might be colossally retarded this is always possible
1170648;1434853794;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=addrLocalHost << where used.
1170649;1434853795;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: addrLocalHost ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWvMcg )
1170650;1434853820;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=addrMe << see also.
1170651;1434853821;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: addrMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWvPEY )
1170652;1434853849;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1816 << and yes, it's retarded
1170653;1434853850;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWvQZn )
1170654;1434853878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00042177 = 2.1932 BTC [+]
1170655;1434853891;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.h#0363 << see also.
1170656;1434853892;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWvRMX )
1170657;1434853967;ben_vulpes;i'm rusty on this particular bit of logic
1170658;1434853988;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: linked lines show where thing indeed shits out 'here is my ip' in-band
1170659;1434854009;ben_vulpes;myes, i see that. what i'm not 100% on is the impact to the receiving node of having garbage in that field.
1170660;1434854020;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they will answer to the garbage
1170661;1434854131;ben_vulpes;what do you mean "answer": attempt to talk to the provided IP instead of the connection abstraction provided by the machine?
1170662;1434854219;asciilifeform;iirc yes
1170663;1434854227;*;asciilifeform digs in the pile of shit
1170664;1434854240;ben_vulpes;b-b-but that's insane
1170665;1434854246;ben_vulpes;why not just talk on the open connection?
1170666;1434854284;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#0395 << this implies the connection isn't dependent on the broadcasted IP at all
1170667;1434854285;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1I7lemO )
1170668;1434854288;ben_vulpes;but whaddoino
1170669;1434854419;mod6;yeah, the network stuff (having read Stevens' stuff (UNIX Network Programming Vol 1&2)) makes me cringe.
1170670;1434854549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00042177 = 2.5517 BTC [+]
1170671;1434854793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24795 @ 0.00042177 = 10.4578 BTC [+]
1170672;1434854857;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1332 << l0l, stray turd
1170673;1434854858;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWwyWz )
1170674;1434854906;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1364 << here, i think, is your boojum
1170675;1434854907;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dWwDtm )
1170676;1434855098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00042177 = 4.9558 BTC [+]
1170677;1434855173;hanbot;cazalla http://dpaste.com/3QSDKP7
1170678;1434855174;assbot;dpaste: 3QSDKP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1I7mXsu )
1170679;1434855364;mircea_popescu;i still don't see the problem you two see
1170680;1434855371;mircea_popescu;of course it talks to whatever it's told to talk to.
1170681;1434855387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: study any other classical protocol (e.g., ftp)
1170682;1434855392;asciilifeform;nothing like this appears therein
1170683;1434855403;mircea_popescu;so ?
1170684;1434855417;asciilifeform;i don't see any 'win' from it
1170685;1434855439;asciilifeform;given how it lives in protocol, cannot really be removed. but still retarded.
1170686;1434855465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13387 @ 0.00042007 = 5.6235 BTC [-]
1170687;1434855519;asciilifeform;once a tcp socket is opened, there is two-way communication.
1170688;1434855531;asciilifeform;without any intrinsic need for either side to say 'and here is my ip'
1170689;1434855559;mircea_popescu;so ?
1170690;1434855565;asciilifeform;(for socket to happen, at least one of the ends had to know the other's, yes)
1170691;1434855573;mircea_popescu;this sounds like an argument against assfucking. "because there's a cunt there"
1170692;1434855609;asciilifeform;more like earfucking
1170693;1434855611;mircea_popescu;i mean, what is it, just because it's different ?
1170694;1434855614;asciilifeform;nosefucking.
1170695;1434855616;mircea_popescu;so bitcoin does earfucking.
1170696;1434855649;asciilifeform;of own sisters.
1170697;1434855664;mircea_popescu;i am inclined to believe this is more likely the result of original author having nfi how tcp works rathger than having an idea about some obscure weakness he's deliberately mitigating
1170698;1434855672;asciilifeform;well sure.
1170699;1434855673;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, "it's strange" is not much of an arghument is it ?
1170700;1434855688;asciilifeform;hence 'retarded'
1170701;1434855701;mircea_popescu;no, retarded is a different degree. has to be actively dysfunctional somehow
1170702;1434855705;mircea_popescu;rather than just ignarous.
1170703;1434855721;asciilifeform;dysfunctional in that it was the glass that glued the 'showmyip' thing in there
1170704;1434855727;mircea_popescu;hoiw the fuck do you even say this in english
1170705;1434855773;mircea_popescu;apparently ignare is actually an english word
1170706;1434855791;cazalla;hanbot, published (good read)
1170707;1434855792;asciilifeform;the 'speak own ip' thing did indeed drag in a whole mess of crap that had no business being in bitcoin
1170708;1434855835;mircea_popescu;can you see any reason he'd suspect the ip provided by the socket ?
1170709;1434855871;asciilifeform;if you're at the stage of suspecting a diddled socket, time to use actual asymmetric crypto
1170710;1434855877;mircea_popescu;myeah
1170711;1434855886;asciilifeform;weird kludge adds nothing
1170712;1434855892;mircea_popescu;i dunno. i don't understand internets - which is common, admitting it is rare
1170713;1434855897;mircea_popescu;who the fuck knows what ddos.
1170714;1434855946;asciilifeform;'"We tried to get him mental help numerous times, but the system failed him, because he was declared 'sane'," his family has said.' << mega-l0l!
1170715;1434855953;mircea_popescu;innit.
1170716;1434855975;mircea_popescu;double ratios for tyhe hero's family
1170717;1434855983;mircea_popescu;they can have jam today.
1170718;1434856013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.0004186 = 4.0186 BTC [-] {2} 
1170719;1434856109;*;asciilifeform just now realized that mr. death-van ~bought~ rather than built the thing
1170720;1434856177;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it's a subtle kind of malevolence wherein needless complexity is all of a sudden necessary because of a subtle misunderstanding of the bedrock
1170721;1434856195;ben_vulpes;subtle subtle subtle subtle
1170722;1434856201;ben_vulpes;i can't words good today.
1170723;1434856213;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah.
1170724;1434856243;mircea_popescu;still, the conservative approach in unknown terrain has yet to be beaten in the field.
1170725;1434856277;asciilifeform;^ i'll sign under this with proviso that terrain is indeed ~unknown~
1170726;1434856284;mircea_popescu;daring acts of bravado belong to they in possession of a map.
1170727;1434856499;ben_vulpes;or the bravely foolish.
1170728;1434857226;mod6;who knows why satoshi put that in there.  i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers.  perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic.
1170729;1434857395;mircea_popescu;that could not spoof the ip address ?
1170730;1434857416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15543 @ 0.00042164 = 6.5536 BTC [+] {2} 
1170731;1434857417;mircea_popescu;not like messages are signed or anythinmg
1170732;1434857451;mod6;yeah, no clue.
1170733;1434857470;mod6;just grasping at straws. maybe the simplest answer is the correct one: he just didn't know.
1170734;1434857660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0004173 = 5.1328 BTC [-]
1170735;1434858148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11514 @ 0.0004146 = 4.7737 BTC [-] {2} 
1170736;1434858705;ben_vulpes;do we even know that that part of the wire protocol is his handiwork?
1170737;1434858729;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
1170738;1434859047;mod6;good point, i shouldn't speculate about weather satoshi wrote that or not without looking at MP's submission of the original bitcoin. (http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html)
1170739;1434859182;mod6;anyway, im /exausted/. have a good night!
1170740;1434859256;mod6;eh, maybe i was wrong about what that email contains, i guess it's from may of 2012.  ugh, too tired.  my apologies.
1170741;1434859266;*;mod6 is out
1170742;1434859734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00040663 = 5.7945 BTC [+] {2} 
1170743;1434859856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00041995 = 8.441 BTC [+] {2} 
1170744;1434860771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00042177 = 4.0912 BTC [+]
1170745;1434861869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00042177 = 5.5463 BTC [+]
1170746;1434862845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00042177 = 3.6272 BTC [+]
1170747;1434863028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14593 @ 0.0004165 = 6.078 BTC [-] {2} 
1170748;1434864310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00041275 = 6.5215 BTC [-] {2} 
1170749;1434864448;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1170750;1434864625;Vexual;hey, hows that vette running?
1170751;1434864714;Vexual;surely its a diff machine now
1170752;1434864991;ben_vulpes;heh, mebbe in that i've worn her in a bit now.
1170753;1434865164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00042177 = 2.6968 BTC [+]
1170754;1434865518;ben_vulpes;does anyone recall where the (brief) thread on replacing rpc with signals went?
1170755;1434865713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8416 @ 0.0004202 = 3.5364 BTC [-]
1170756;1434867010;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
1170757;1434867011;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1BDVaPk )
1170758;1434867022;*;ben_vulpes not actually testing this tonight, just reading code
1170759;1434867543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10945 @ 0.00042177 = 4.6163 BTC [+]
1170760;1434868275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00042177 = 2.5939 BTC [+] {2} 
1170761;1434868658;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so it goes faster ? :D
1170762;1434868733;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it sets it to the specified ip
1170763;1434868742;mircea_popescu;otherwise it only allows 127.0.0.1
1170764;1434869988;ben_vulpes;well i'm reading that as a ternary operator
1170765;1434870006;ben_vulpes;= (test) ? (val if test returns true) : (val if test returns false)
1170766;1434870012;ben_vulpes;am i off my rocker?
1170767;1434870077;mircea_popescu;but the true is a function call
1170768;1434870121;ben_vulpes;asio::ip::address_v4::any() << looks wide ope to me
1170769;1434870133;mircea_popescu;http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_50_0/boost/asio/ip/address_v4.hpp << see there
1170770;1434870134;assbot;boost/asio/ip/address_v4.hpp - 1.50.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmAIVU )
1170771;1434870143;mircea_popescu;it just transforms a numeric value into a boost "object"
1170772;1434870238;ben_vulpes;which numeric value? i read " if flag is passed, accept requests from any ipv4 addr. else, only accept connections on the loopback interface"
1170773;1434870305;mircea_popescu;nah. it's -rpcallowip=x
1170774;1434870312;mircea_popescu;and it turns the x into something it can use as an ip
1170775;1434870329;mircea_popescu;"if flag is passed, transform its value into an ip and use that"
1170776;1434870519;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzug50hc4W1r2k92so1_1280.jpg
1170777;1434870520;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gee9we )
1170778;1434870628;ben_vulpes;that's som implicit ass semantics if that's how shit's actually workgin
1170779;1434870659;ben_vulpes;i only have this to go on http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/14631/
1170780;1434870660;assbot;How to use the Conditional (ternary) ope - C++ Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Geej6J )
1170781;1434870674;ben_vulpes;dun see how the test value gets passed to the function invocations
1170782;1434870691;ben_vulpes;and that method call any() looks like..."any"
1170783;1434870744;mircea_popescu;i didn't come up with boost.
1170784;1434870758;ben_vulpes;hey look! pits!
1170785;1434870789;ben_vulpes;if that works the way you say it works that's more implicit than rails
1170786;1434871630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.0004226 = 3.7611 BTC [+] {2} 
1170787;1434872545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.0004202 = 1.4497 BTC [-]
1170788;1434872667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12674 @ 0.00042437 = 5.3785 BTC [+] {2} 
1170789;1434874009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00042646 = 11.1306 BTC [+] {4} 
1170790;1434875046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15534 @ 0.0004158 = 6.459 BTC [-] {2} 
1170791;1434877486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00041184 = 6.0335 BTC [-]
1170792;1434878645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15353 @ 0.00041296 = 6.3402 BTC [+] {2} 
1170793;1434879255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19878 @ 0.00040768 = 8.1039 BTC [-] {4} 
1170794;1434880819;jurov;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9750797 kek
1170795;1434880820;assbot;Windows 10 “WiFi Sense� automatically leaks your wifi password to strangers | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAhsAd )
1170796;1434881451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00041522 = 7.557 BTC [+] {2} 
1170797;1434881990;punkman;https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator
1170798;1434881991;assbot;xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAju3k )
1170799;1434882305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00041868 = 2.3446 BTC [+] {2} 
1170800;1434883891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12730 @ 0.00043106 = 5.4874 BTC [+] {2} 
1170801;1434884700;punkman;http://mig.mozilla.org/
1170802;1434884701;assbot;MIG: Mozilla InvestiGator by mozilla ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEln03 )
1170803;1434884867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00042985 = 6.1039 BTC [-] {4} 
1170804;1434885172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00043302 = 3.6807 BTC [+]
1170805;1434885355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00041811 = 4.3902 BTC [-]
1170806;1434885721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00041762 = 5.4291 BTC [-] {2} 
1170807;1434888161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10324 @ 0.00041898 = 4.3255 BTC [+]
1170808;1434889686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00042071 = 4.2702 BTC [-]
1170809;1434889869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00041531 = 3.9039 BTC [-] {2} 
1170810;1434890611;williamdunne;Hello all
1170811;1434890621;williamdunne;I'm back in the UK, so will begin appearing again
1170812;1434890631;williamdunne;Naphex: Did your friend launch the RO exchange?
1170813;1434891329;williamdunne;;;seen scoopbot_revived
1170814;1434891330;gribble;scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 12 hours, 40 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <scoopbot_revived> Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/
1170815;1434891335;williamdunne;Ohshit
1170816;1434891368;williamdunne;Wonder what happened there
1170817;1434891699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00042412 = 19.8488 BTC [+] {4} 
1170818;1434893562;punkman;http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/17/law-enforcement-seizes-11000-from-24-year-old-at-airport-without-charging-him-with-a-crime/
1170819;1434893563;assbot;Law Enforcement Seizes $11,000 From 24-Year-Old ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKk8D0 )
1170820;1434895176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00043866 = 2.4126 BTC [-]
1170821;1434895542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7188 @ 0.00043979 = 3.1612 BTC [+]
1170822;1434897677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00043979 = 3.2325 BTC [+]
1170823;1434897781;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/M9gviD3.jpg
1170824;1434897782;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BvnnHu )
1170825;1434897858;mircea_popescu;i see your raisinettes and raise you the maid : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8sfllwJJS1qeqtbxo1_1280.jpg
1170826;1434897859;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bvnva1 )
1170827;1434898959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2512 @ 0.00043979 = 1.1048 BTC [+]
1170828;1434899568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6408 @ 0.00043345 = 2.7775 BTC [-] {2} 
1170829;1434900849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0004397 = 2.2864 BTC [+]
1170830;1434901398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0004397 = 2.5942 BTC [+]
1170831;1434903167;mod6; So yeah, in the version (v0.2.1) from MPs email, that code to find the external ip is included.  Also if I do a checkout of tag v0.1.5 from git, same thing.  Still don't know who added it for sure though.
1170832;1434903337;mod6;anyway, it's neither really here nor there.
1170833;1434903804;mod6;;;bc,stats
1170834;1434903807;gribble;Current Blocks: 361912 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1170835;1434903816;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1170836;1434903816;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00040352 / 0.00042091 / 0.00045217 (1775681 shares, 747.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00036741 / 0.0004229 / 0.00047031 (20583079 shares, 8,704.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00026467 / 0.00035047 / 0.00047031 (106048949 shares, 37,167.48 BTC)
1170837;1434904127;mircea_popescu;mod6 it was in the first implementation too. pretty sure it's OA.
1170838;1434904290;mod6;Objection Argumentitive?  yeah, guess it is.
1170839;1434904316;mircea_popescu;original author lol
1170840;1434904325;mod6;ahh, haha. ok
1170841;1434904457;mod6;Unrelated, I downgraded my GPG version from v1.4.13 to v1.4.10 -- incase anyone notices the change in my sigs.
1170842;1434904838;mod6;v1.4.10 is from Sept. 2nd 2009 https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2009q3/000291.html where v1.4.13 is from Dec. 20th 2012 https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2012q4/000319.html which was still pre-snowden, but only by ~4-5 months.
1170843;1434904838;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcLld2 )
1170844;1434904839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcLkpo )
1170845;1434904879;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: how did you get 3% RO tax rate?
1170846;1434904915;mircea_popescu;small businesses pay 3% of income. the other option is to pay 16% of net income.
1170847;1434904930;williamdunne;Oh okay
1170848;1434904931;mircea_popescu;you can also opt to be a vat payer (in which case you also get to deduct vat you paid)
1170849;1434904947;williamdunne;So works out a lot better if you have high profit margins to do 3% income
1170850;1434904950;mircea_popescu;but best used in the hands of a competent local accountant, because it's complex.
1170851;1434905012;mircea_popescu;williamdunne moreover, there are better jurisdictions to deduct expenses in than romania.
1170852;1434905040;mircea_popescu;deduct in london, get out of 60% rather than in romania, which has 16% pretty much throughout.
1170853;1434905046;Naphex;williamdunne: not yet, no RO exchanges alive atm
1170854;1434905073;williamdunne;Naphex: I was terrified this was the finished product
1170855;1434905074;williamdunne;https://bitcoinxromania.com/en/home/
1170856;1434905076;assbot;Bitcoin Exchange Romania - your cryptocurrency source ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcM267 )
1170857;1434905107;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Hmm okay, makes sense. But in UK you have dividend tax which sucks
1170858;1434905121;mircea_popescu;what's that to do with anything ?
1170859;1434905122;williamdunne;Which if I'm reading correctly, doesn't apply to EU citizens for Romanian companies
1170860;1434905141;mircea_popescu;why would you be paying yourself dividends in london ?
1170861;1434905153;williamdunne;Not the only shareholder
1170862;1434905175;mircea_popescu;if it's a large company you don't gas about dividends. if it's small hire them as consultants or w/e
1170863;1434905179;Naphex;williamdunne: nah, that looks like ssome scam
1170864;1434905185;mircea_popescu;srsly, get a tax lawyer, this is a thing.
1170865;1434905200;williamdunne;True, will be worth doing
1170866;1434905220;williamdunne;Naphex: Definitely, I'm guessing its the scammer you worked for trying to revive his shit without your source
1170867;1434905247;mircea_popescu;contrary to popular belief tax lawyers are not expensive, ~especially~ if you're young and you look like you know what you're doing. most of their revenue comes from their list, which they can only add at the early stages, nobody's switching late in the game.
1170868;1434905254;mircea_popescu;it's very much like the hiring market for businesses.
1170869;1434905329;williamdunne;That actually makes a lot of sense, want to keep hold of you for when you are big
1170870;1434905941;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I know your policy on MPEX is only to support bitcoin denominated businesses, but whats your opinion on exchanges? IMO while fiat is involved, revenue is almost entirely pegged to bitcoin
1170871;1434906220;williamdunne;Oh and what is the name of the 8ch guy again?
1170872;1434906236;asciilifeform;williamdunne: plz add phuctor rss ?
1170873;1434906253;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Remind me tomorrow, and yeah I need to revive scoop anyway
1170874;1434906256;williamdunne;Still not at home
1170875;1434906258;williamdunne;Just the UK
1170876;1434906306;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170756 << yes
1170877;1434906306;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 06:10:10; ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
1170878;1434906352;asciilifeform;predicate ? action : else-action
1170879;1434906354;asciilifeform;as per k&r
1170880;1434906387;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170794 << run moar winblows ! (tm)
1170881;1434906387;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 10:00:19; jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9750797 kek
1170882;1434906585;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170818 << the folks who like to brag about how they work for physical benjies will enjoy this link
1170883;1434906585;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 13:32:42; punkman: http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/17/law-enforcement-seizes-11000-from-24-year-old-at-airport-without-charging-him-with-a-crime/
1170884;1434906677;williamdunne;asciilifeform: mai muny nao
1170885;1434906827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8907 @ 0.00043813 = 3.9024 BTC [-]
1170886;1434907244;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170738 << iirc it was 0.6.2
1170887;1434907244;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 03:57:27; mod6: good point, i shouldn't speculate about weather satoshi wrote that or not without looking at MP's submission of the original bitcoin. (http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html)
1170888;1434907559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.0004289 = 8.3207 BTC [-] {3} 
1170889;1434907620;mod6;0.6.2?
1170890;1434907635;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170737 << does ben_vulpes write single-threaded net proggies often ?
1170891;1434907635;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 03:52:09; ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
1170892;1434907635;mod6;no, MPs email contained v0.2.1
1170893;1434907651;asciilifeform;mod6: not the linked one
1170894;1434907655;asciilifeform;mod6: perhaps earlier ?
1170895;1434907774;mod6;oooh. i was super confused. ok the name of the file is "bitcoin-src-21may2012.tar.gz"
1170896;1434907783;mod6;not v0.2.1 may 21st. smh
1170897;1434907791;asciilifeform;aha
1170898;1434907792;mod6;*sigh*
1170899;1434907840;mod6;anyway, i did checkout git tag v0.1.5 and the code there has the external ip stuff too.
1170900;1434907861;asciilifeform;pretty sure this crud was in the original 'wire protocol.'
1170901;1434907897;mod6;whats the wire protocol?
1170902;1434907932;asciilifeform;mod6: lowest level of the bitcoin spec - order in which fields go in message, their contents, etc
1170903;1434907940;asciilifeform;traditional (apparently) name.
1170904;1434907980;mod6;ah, didn't know it had a name.
1170905;1434908010;*;asciilifeform still recovering from yesterday's dive into the pile of shit, and wonders who and where hates said pile nearly as much as he does
1170906;1434908011;mod6;anyway, yeah, i think this crud goes all the way back to the start.
1170907;1434908317;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu historical q. has anyone ever publicly attempted an honest implementation of 'provably destroy coin on bitcoin blockchain, re-materialize on $altcoin chain' mechanism? or was all known work on the subject perpetrated by idiot sc4mz0rz ?
1170908;1434908318;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1170909;1434908475;trinque;mod6: I awaken
1170910;1434908481;trinque;coffee in hand
1170911;1434908498;trinque;lettuce slay the gcc dragon
1170912;1434908516;trinque;or like... poke it in the eye and run
1170913;1434908657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00042537 = 1.6802 BTC [-]
1170914;1434909367;mod6;trinque: werd. sounds good.
1170915;1434909372;punkman;asciilifeform: I think the state of the art is: you send X BTC to 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE then  new genesis block assigns X newcoin to originating address, or something along these lines
1170916;1434909410;mod6;nooooo
1170917;1434909485;punkman;counterparty burn address http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
1170918;1434909486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqYeUw )
1170919;1434909885;ben_vulpes;is today the day we vendor gcc?
1170920;1434909898;*;ben_vulpes pulls on waders
1170921;1434909907;*;ben_vulpes pulls on galoshes over waders
1170922;1434909930;*;ben_vulpes digs asbestos gloves out of the closet
1170923;1434910160;punkman;http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/special-reports/598388/wild-cats-cocaine-and-claims-of-a-police-set-up
1170924;1434910162;assbot;Wild cats, cocaine and claims of a police set-up | Bangkok Post: news ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqZyXE )
1170925;1434910575;funkenstein_;more sugar on an average benjamin
1170926;1434910975;mod6;soon to be bennifer
1170927;1434912418;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170737 << does ben_vulpes write single-threaded net proggies often ? << ima sheep, but i was just thinking that spinning off a whole new thread to flush the db and sleep for half a second was a bit heavy handed.
1170928;1434912418;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 03:52:09; ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there a good reason why bitcoind had to be a multithreaded proggy?
1170929;1434912537;punkman;http://analytx.io/
1170930;1434912538;assbot;The Bitcoin Network | Joola ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4P0dD )
1170931;1434913956;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170756 << yes << mircea_popescu asciilifeform plz foar to fight
1170932;1434913956;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 06:10:10; ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#2122 << does this set the bindAddress to any if the -rpcallowip flag is set?
1170933;1434914003;ben_vulpes;is this ThreadSocketHandler -> ThreadSocketHandler2 pattern common in c++ multithreaded proggies?
1170934;1434914147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00043312 = 3.1834 BTC [+]
1170935;1434914879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00042208 = 9.4546 BTC [-] {3} 
1170936;1434915102;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/acrophobia/
1170937;1434915103;assbot;Acrophobia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXSXhO )
1170938;1434917205;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ nice
1170939;1434917205;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1170940;1434917227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform idiot scammzorz/naive webdevelopers.
1170941;1434917263;mircea_popescu;the problem reduces to "find a salt that will turn this trivial hash into a known hash", which is equivalent to "break this key", which makes the premise unworkable.
1170942;1434917546;mircea_popescu;williamdunne depends a lot on the exchange.
1170943;1434917868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00043312 = 6.9537 BTC [+]
1170944;1434918112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00043368 = 4.5103 BTC [+] {2} 
1170945;1434918472;mod6;so trinque & I have discovered that the patch provided by the email mentioned ( https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html ) doesn't patch cleanly at all.  Even with some McGuyvering of the patch to ensure the paths are correct etc, there are still a number of files not found.  It might be plausible to write our own custom patch for 4.8.4 to resolve the issue.
1170946;1434918473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY0NN1 )
1170947;1434918534;mod6;I think I might try to manually implement the changes required if the files in question do exist.
1170948;1434918582;mod6;If this doesn't go well, perhaps we'll try a period gcc if we can get it to work with uclibc/hardened AND another caviat here is going to be weather this defect shows up in there as well (since way down level).
1170949;1434918605;ben_vulpes;lurvely.
1170950;1434918627;mod6;yeah, she's ugly.
1170951;1434919544;ben_vulpes;does http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/irc.cpp#270 call http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/protocol.cpp#0083 with an empty third argument?
1170952;1434919545;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/irc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY3fTG )
1170953;1434919545;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/protocol.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1dY3hed )
1170954;1434919550;cazalla;;;later tell peter_dushenski i think your blog might've eaten my comment
1170955;1434919550;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1170956;1434919590;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, mod6, decimation, trinque and any other c-grammers
1170957;1434920381;mod6;lol, this is uglier than I had thought.  I patched the gcc-4.8.4 source with all of the patches from /their/ bundle v1.5 (http://dpaste.com/1NRJTT7.txt), and now i'm in there apply patches by hand, and only 2 out of ~10 files to patch actually exist here (the rest are for pr# files (Problem Report?)).  And when I can apply a patch, the surrounding code is slightly different.
1170958;1434920392;mod6;there's about a 0.001% chance this will work.
1170959;1434920613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00041703 = 3.4113 BTC [-] {2} 
1170960;1434920675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19870 @ 0.0004149 = 8.2441 BTC [-] {3} 
1170961;1434920699;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1170962;1434920719;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-2nd-event-crafting-as-a-business-and-other-considerations/ << someone put it on reddit twitter or wherever.
1170963;1434920720;assbot;Eulora 2nd event, Crafting As A Business and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcLHky )
1170964;1434920721;mod6;ok, well done patching the stuff that can be patched...
1170965;1434920864;ben_vulpes;i don't even have any items in eulora yet
1170966;1434920879;ben_vulpes;much less time for games...
1170967;1434920910;mod6;<< someone put it on reddit twitter or wherever. << done
1170968;1434921031;mircea_popescu;danke
1170969;1434921138;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, we'll keep it warm for you for when you grow younger ?
1170970;1434921468;ben_vulpes;although i did get a claim yesterday...
1170971;1434921481;mircea_popescu;hey wd.
1170972;1434921517;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
1170973;1434921518;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcMTnO )
1170974;1434921589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00041263 = 11.3886 BTC [-] {4} 
1170975;1434921628;trinque;that's a hilarious warning
1170976;1434921682;jurov;ouch
1170977;1434921688;mircea_popescu;o brother
1170978;1434921709;mircea_popescu;ITS IN BOOST
1170979;1434921884;ben_vulpes;i know
1170980;1434921913;ben_vulpes;da woist
1170981;1434922512;mod6;ben_vulpes: you did get Eulora built tho 'eh?!
1170982;1434922541;mircea_popescu;was it ubuntu in the end ?
1170983;1434922745;ben_vulpes;also code review please: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh
1170984;1434922747;assbot;a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcOQRm )
1170985;1434922870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00041078 = 14.4595 BTC [-] {2} 
1170986;1434922942;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/QoTEOO2.gif << such derp
1170987;1434922945;mircea_popescu; the happy "done!" printout
1170988;1434922965;mircea_popescu;awww. the words of a man in old dull pain./
1170989;1434923029;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i wonder briefly why these tards don't do something useful with their time, instead of making pointless "infographs" that make no sense, represent no data and interest no one.
1170990;1434923034;mircea_popescu;but then again...
1170991;1434923117;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'twas
1170992;1434923747;jurov;that's incredible picture... why it does not go on at least to 2100, i wonder
1170993;1434924090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00042242 = 9.7368 BTC [+] {2} 
1170994;1434924304;mod6;ok, i've got a patch i created myself (post application of patches: gentoo/uclibc/PIE) for gcc... just trying to get it to work with emerge.
1170995;1434924351;mod6;patch applies manually just fine, seems to choak when used by emerge becuase of directory levels or something. hopefully can overcome this...
1170996;1434924441;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-06-2015#1170473 << http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_excising-dns-lookups-from-bitcoind-asciilifeforms-patches.html i did my homework boss
1170997;1434924441;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 01:43:37; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: you now have homework. it being, to read & actually grok the sequence of 4 'dns thermonuke' patches.
1170998;1434924441;assbot;excising DNS lookups from bitcoind: asciilifeform's patches ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcR82X )
1170999;1434925703;williamdunne;I think I found Kim's child
1171000;1434925704;williamdunne;http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3an9iz/iama_23_year_old_from_the_uk_who_can_end_the/
1171001;1434925705;assbot;IamA 23 year old from the UK who can end the austerity and inequality that we are facing, but I am ignored by the media and even my own political party AMA! : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcT6Ae )
1171002;1434925832;cazalla;wru scoopy
1171003;1434925840;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/06/fatf-concerns-regarding-use-of-bitcoin-by-terrorists/
1171004;1434925841;assbot;FATF: Concerns Regarding Use Of Bitcoin By Terrorists | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcTi2z )
1171005;1434925947;williamdunne;wru?
1171006;1434925966;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170978 << yes, it is. i suspected.
1171007;1434925966;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 21:21:49; mircea_popescu: ITS IN BOOST
1171008;1434925986;asciilifeform;but there could be no talk of removing it without first removing from bitcoind
1171009;1434926033;asciilifeform;it may be possible to amputate it with linker shenanigans
1171010;1434926045;asciilifeform;but it ~will~ have to come out
1171011;1434926095;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170915 << precisely ~not~ what i was asking for. this is how idiot sc4mz0r did it - as a one-time thing
1171012;1434926095;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 17:56:12; punkman: asciilifeform: I think the state of the art is: you send X BTC to 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE then  new genesis block assigns X newcoin to originating address, or something along these lines
1171013;1434926652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042282 = 6.4269 BTC [+]
1171014;1434929031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53106 @ 0.00041654 = 22.1208 BTC [-]
1171015;1434929269;funkenstein_;i'm doubt it's what you are referring to, but the "atomic transaction.. btc from x to y and  Ztc from y to x all in one all-or-nothing TX, has supposedly been implemented by mercury exchange
1171016;1434929324;funkenstein_;which unfortunately uses java 8, and when I was trying to test I didn't even get as far as building OpenJDK 8
1171017;1434929879;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/06/xotika-tv-bitcoin-live-adult-entertainment-reaches-beta/
1171018;1434929880;assbot;XOtika.tv Bitcoin Live Adult Entertainment Reaches Beta | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1H7uUyT )
1171019;1434929896;BingoBoingo;^ Naphex
1171020;1434930922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00042231 = 12.3315 BTC [+]
1171021;1434931818;mircea_popescu;!up SuchWow
1171022;1434931828;SuchWow;why hello there
1171023;1434931843;SuchWow;i've been gone for 2-3 months, tl;dr me the best parts
1171024;1434931846;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/ << check her out
1171025;1434931848;assbot;The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBpHvE )
1171026;1434931865;SuchWow;and what happened to fluffypony
1171027;1434931883;SuchWow;oh, is still here
1171028;1434931894;SuchWow;mainly i'm just curious
1171029;1434931898;SuchWow;as to the current sentiment
1171030;1434931900;SuchWow;overall
1171031;1434931900;mircea_popescu;who were you again ?
1171032;1434931905;mircea_popescu;!gettrust SuchWow
1171033;1434931905;assbot;SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
1171034;1434931916;SuchWow;I was a founding op of #dogecoin lol
1171035;1434931921;SuchWow;and i've never been interested
1171036;1434931925;SuchWow;in bot trust games lol
1171037;1434931948;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1171038;1434931964;SuchWow;u can search ur logs for more, i've had a few mildly amusing exchanges here (not really tho
1171039;1434932014;cazalla;SuchWow, is this the day where you check if #b-a is still around long after dogecoin was put to sleep?
1171040;1434932130;SuchWow;cazalla: clearly you haven't been watching dogecoin charts, and even more clearly, you have no idea who i am.
1171041;1434932139;SuchWow;or what i do, etc.
1171042;1434932149;SuchWow;but have fun with your attempted cajoles lol
1171043;1434932172;cazalla;SuchWow, you mean i don't know chinese exchanges pump it up with fake volume to fool westerners?
1171044;1434932178;SuchWow;now i get why you only voice ppl under certain conditions
1171045;1434932200;SuchWow;cazalla: if you say so, i really and honestly wouldn't know anything about that
1171046;1434932200;cazalla;what conditions are they?
1171047;1434932212;SuchWow;i dunno, you're here in this chan, i haven't been here for months
1171048;1434932216;SuchWow;you tell me
1171049;1434932241;SuchWow;you're the one making subtly degrading comments towards me based on total ignorance
1171050;1434932248;SuchWow;so perhaps the rules have changed
1171051;1434932268;*;SuchWow yawns
1171052;1434932279;cazalla;people often up others that /join the channel.. sorta like answering a knock at the door? just being polite ya know, there is no judgement one way or the other until you open your mouth
1171053;1434932306;ben_vulpes;altcoins are retarded, you're going to get prodded when you show up here pumping them.
1171054;1434932312;ben_vulpes;big whoop.
1171055;1434932325;SuchWow;cazalla: i've been upped over a dozen times here, thanks
1171056;1434932341;SuchWow;it was not my idea to bring up altcoins in the discussion
1171057;1434932352;SuchWow;someone asked who i was, i reminded them, and then you started in with ur bullshit
1171058;1434932358;SuchWow;doesn't bother me at all tho tbh
1171059;1434932361;ben_vulpes;heh. but you're here! who could resist taking a shot!
1171060;1434932365;SuchWow;:D
1171061;1434932366;ben_vulpes;> ur bullshit
1171062;1434932369;ben_vulpes;> doesn't bother me
1171063;1434932371;ben_vulpes;mhhhhhhhm
1171064;1434932379;SuchWow;well i'll be more clear
1171065;1434932386;SuchWow;implying that i have knowledge of what he was saying
1171066;1434932388;SuchWow;is the bullshit part
1171067;1434932396;SuchWow;what he actually said cold be true,, i woudln't know lol
1171068;1434932398;ben_vulpes;we all do is the funny part
1171069;1434932412;SuchWow;i just saw one of your 'members' spamming in another chan
1171070;1434932414;ben_vulpes;we're all complicit in the altcoin pump and dump nao!
1171071;1434932420;SuchWow;and said 'hey, why not see what they'er up to'
1171072;1434932429;ben_vulpes;winding up altcoiners, today
1171073;1434932435;cazalla;SuchWow, you're the one that said check out the charts.. i did and btc38 is supposedly 85% of the dogecoin trade
1171074;1434932435;SuchWow;since btc has returned to volatility again
1171075;1434932445;SuchWow;and i l ike to trade 796 at 50:1 instead of playing poker these days
1171076;1434932448;mircea_popescu;lol what, the proposition is that dogecoin still exists ?!
1171077;1434932462;SuchWow;cazalla: pretty sure cryptsy is still #1, but haven't checked honestly
1171078;1434932480;SuchWow;cazalla: my comment was more about you saying doge had been 'put to sleep'
1171079;1434932490;SuchWow;when in reality it has returned close to 400% recently
1171080;1434932493;cazalla;pretty sure but haven't checked.. ok sorta makes sense why you'd be involved in dogecoin to begin with
1171081;1434932503;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> "i thought i killed it a year ago!"
1171082;1434932511;SuchWow;cazalla: there you go again. Why do you think i am involved with dogecoin?
1171083;1434932521;SuchWow;you keep using that as an insult
1171084;1434932526;SuchWow;but i'm not involved with dogecoin
1171085;1434932530;SuchWow;and haven't been for a long time
1171086;1434932531;cazalla;SuchWow, you brought it up by bragging about being a founder of #dogecoin (wow, such bragworthy, not)
1171087;1434932539;ben_vulpes;you're not anyone, how could you be involved with anything...
1171088;1434932542;SuchWow;so keep on with that delusiohn. it would seem YOU know more than ME about it lol
1171089;1434932549;SuchWow;cazalla: i was asked 'who are you again'
1171090;1434932552;SuchWow;i answered
1171091;1434932554;SuchWow;that's it
1171092;1434932556;SuchWow;the rest wqas you
1171093;1434932559;ben_vulpes;SuchWow: yeah who are you actually
1171094;1434932561;SuchWow;dealwithit.jpg
1171095;1434932575;williamdunne;SuchWow: You mentioned the dogecoin thing, I also assumed you're still involved
1171096;1434932575;cazalla;umad.gif
1171097;1434932586;SuchWow;well
1171098;1434932591;SuchWow;6 months ago when i was last here
1171099;1434932591;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8p818rhXu1qm11cfo1_500.gif << actual gif.
1171100;1434932593;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBqsVv )
1171101;1434932602;SuchWow;that was what/who everyone knew me as
1171102;1434932608;SuchWow;that is generally my reputation
1171103;1434932608;cazalla;SuchWow, being involved in dogecoin at some point is not something you go around bragging
1171104;1434932613;SuchWow;clearly it rings a bell to none of you
1171105;1434932619;SuchWow;and you just keep asking me over and over lol
1171106;1434932623;ben_vulpes;i tried to short it once
1171107;1434932630;ben_vulpes;but i'm retarded so
1171108;1434932631;SuchWow;i'm not bragging? i was answering a question asked of me
1171109;1434932634;SuchWow;y'all dense as fuck
1171110;1434932645;SuchWow;THAT is what (if anything) you would remember me from
1171111;1434932652;SuchWow;and if you didn't want to know
1171112;1434932655;SuchWow;you shouldn't have asked
1171113;1434932658;SuchWow;hostile crowd here
1171114;1434932672;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1171115;1434932677;cazalla;there is no hostility, you're just a little touchy
1171116;1434932685;SuchWow;I'm the touchy one? LOL!!
1171117;1434932686;ben_vulpes;lighten up
1171118;1434932691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00042231 = 3.7797 BTC [+]
1171119;1434932691;mircea_popescu;^
1171120;1434932694;SuchWow;ok club
1171121;1434932700;SuchWow;i've answered all of your questions
1171122;1434932705;ben_vulpes;not really - who are you?
1171123;1434932707;SuchWow;despite being accused of shit for doing so
1171124;1434932712;SuchWow;nobody has answered my questions tho
1171125;1434932713;SuchWow;lol
1171126;1434932719;mircea_popescu;!rate SuchWow 1 answered all questions, still no idea who he is.
1171127;1434932719;assbot;SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
1171128;1434932722;mircea_popescu;oh.
1171129;1434932725;ben_vulpes;aw what a shame.
1171130;1434932739;mircea_popescu;!s suchwow
1171131;1434932740;assbot;263 results for 'suchwow' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suchwow
1171132;1434932742;ben_vulpes;try again in six months?
1171133;1434932746;SuchWow;wut?
1171134;1434932750;SuchWow;you don't read do you lol
1171135;1434932767;SuchWow;[20:11:46] <+SuchWow> and i've never been interested
1171136;1434932769;SuchWow;[20:11:49] <+SuchWow> in bot trust games lol
1171137;1434932770;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806031
1171138;1434932770;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2014 07:41:30; SuchWow: i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\
1171139;1434932771;mircea_popescu;ok.
1171140;1434932774;SuchWow;not here, not -otc
1171141;1434932779;SuchWow;yet i trade successfully for 2 years
1171142;1434932783;SuchWow;without these things lol
1171143;1434932793;ben_vulpes;so?
1171144;1434932795;mircea_popescu;so ? people cook successfully without running water and things
1171145;1434932797;mircea_popescu;in nigeria.
1171146;1434932797;cazalla;i can hold my breath under water for 30 seconds..
1171147;1434932800;SuchWow;anyhow i will restate why i joined this chan again
1171148;1434932809;ben_vulpes;why?
1171149;1434932813;SuchWow;one of your 'members' spammed an ad in another chan to join here
1171150;1434932820;mircea_popescu;who where ?
1171151;1434932821;SuchWow;i remembered being active here long ago
1171152;1434932825;SuchWow;and decided to rejoin
1171153;1434932836;SuchWow;upon joining, i asked what the current sentiment of btc was here
1171154;1434932841;SuchWow;and then all this doge shit started up
1171155;1434932843;ben_vulpes;oh that
1171156;1434932847;ben_vulpes;"grumpy" i'd say
1171157;1434932852;ben_vulpes;boost is all fucked up
1171158;1434932860;mircea_popescu;SuchWow http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/#selection-101.0-103.32 read that.
1171159;1434932861;assbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdZQx4 )
1171160;1434932871;cazalla;SuchWow, so you gonna paint the #b-a fence, wax the #b-a floor or wut?
1171161;1434932876;SuchWow;from #bitcoin-pricetalk today: [17:47:39] <SevenX> join #bitcoin-assets
1171162;1434932877;ben_vulpes;bitbet just lost a few months of profit
1171163;1434932880;ben_vulpes;uh
1171164;1434932893;mircea_popescu;!s sevenx
1171165;1434932893;assbot;0 results for 'sevenx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sevenx
1171166;1434932896;mircea_popescu;o.O
1171167;1434932902;ben_vulpes;oh but we have a new rss bot that's new
1171168;1434932904;SuchWow;ben_vulpes: i feel ya, grumpy seems about right
1171169;1434932910;mircea_popescu;the things that happen in the internets truck make me feel old and out of touch
1171170;1434932927;SuchWow;and yes, i get this chan is professional, and above my head, that's why i left lol
1171171;1434932934;mircea_popescu;so go play eulora
1171172;1434932934;ben_vulpes;and i guess is deedbot new since you last were here?
1171173;1434932939;SuchWow;again, it was just the spam that made me come back and say hi :)
1171174;1434932939;mircea_popescu;no wait nm, need a rating for that.
1171175;1434932946;ben_vulpes;aha zing
1171176;1434932950;SuchWow;i really never was a super active participant
1171177;1434932955;SuchWow;just a newb tryna learn :)
1171178;1434932962;ben_vulpes;no man i have this remembory
1171179;1434932964;ben_vulpes;of like
1171180;1434932965;ben_vulpes;doge
1171181;1434932970;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1171182;1434932975;SuchWow;bitcoin is enough tho, adding securities on top of that, out of my league haha :)
1171183;1434932999;SuchWow;doge recent performance has been pretty amazing tho
1171184;1434932999;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1171185;1434933004;SuchWow;and i say that from an outside perspective
1171186;1434933005;mod6;check out the /topic & read at least 6 months of logs.
1171187;1434933007;SuchWow;got a real jobj 9 months ago
1171188;1434933010;mircea_popescu;nbews in past 6 months : s.mpoe almost went to shit but recovered, i lost the berkshire bet, s.mg launched eulora, s.nsa's phuctor delivered 60 or so broken rsa moduli
1171189;1434933011;SuchWow;work WAY too much to trade anymore
1171190;1434933016;mircea_popescu;there's actually a LOT
1171191;1434933026;SuchWow;nice lol
1171192;1434933028;ben_vulpes;oh yeah mp lost the berkshire bet
1171193;1434933029;mircea_popescu;deedbot came online,
1171194;1434933039;SuchWow;anyhow i'll poof after the up goes down
1171195;1434933047;SuchWow;is good to know y'all are still here and srs about shit
1171196;1434933055;mircea_popescu;we got that lawsky schmuck fired,
1171197;1434933056;ben_vulpes;don't go!
1171198;1434933059;SuchWow;that in and of itself kinda answers my original question
1171199;1434933066;mircea_popescu;gavin got shot in the head, cusipzzz got exposed
1171200;1434933068;ben_vulpes;we're still regaling you with our victories
1171201;1434933071;mircea_popescu;jesus god it's pages of shit.
1171202;1434933072;SuchWow;right but
1171203;1434933075;SuchWow;when will the bitcoin regs
1171204;1434933081;SuchWow;be published in the weekly journal or whatev
1171205;1434933082;ben_vulpes;!s cusipzzz
1171206;1434933082;assbot;14 results for 'cusipzzz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cusipzzz
1171207;1434933084;SuchWow;that's what i can't figure out
1171208;1434933091;SuchWow;lol cuspizzz
1171209;1434933093;SuchWow;i do like that guy
1171210;1434933094;mircea_popescu;qntra is older than 6 months no ?
1171211;1434933098;SuchWow;mr 'weekend tank'
1171212;1434933110;ben_vulpes;SuchWow: you volunteering to summarize the court's proceedings?
1171213;1434933111;SuchWow;srsly tho, only thing i can find
1171214;1434933112;ben_vulpes;aha
1171215;1434933112;mircea_popescu;barelky older.
1171216;1434933115;ben_vulpes;deedbot lol
1171217;1434933118;SuchWow;is that nydfs is final once published
1171218;1434933120;SuchWow;in that weekly register
1171219;1434933124;SuchWow;when will that happen?
1171220;1434933127;mircea_popescu;SuchWow nobody asked them anything.
1171221;1434933130;ben_vulpes;who cares
1171222;1434933139;SuchWow;everyone in btcland should?
1171223;1434933147;SuchWow;because if rumors about china banning are relevant
1171224;1434933154;SuchWow;than ACTUAL FACTS about regulation should be pertinent?
1171225;1434933157;ben_vulpes;by the time the usg realizes that there's a btc-shaped train headed its way it will be too late for it to do anything.
1171226;1434933163;mircea_popescu;i dun think you understand how teh btcworld works.
1171227;1434933167;ben_vulpes;naw it'll be great SuchWow
1171228;1434933177;ben_vulpes;we'll get to see btc users go to town on china
1171229;1434933177;SuchWow;i think nobody knows the answer to my question lol
1171230;1434933179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15576 @ 0.00041577 = 6.476 BTC [-] {2} 
1171231;1434933199;*;ben_vulpes chants "hash by hand. hash by hand."
1171232;1434933201;SuchWow;and if nobody here knows that answer, than that tells me what i need to know lol
1171233;1434933210;ben_vulpes;bitcoin-assets aka bitcoin doomsday cult
1171234;1434933212;SuchWow;(i just trade btc/usd on 796 at 50:1 for gambling purposes)
1171235;1434933215;SuchWow;way more fun than poker
1171236;1434933221;ben_vulpes;repeat!
1171237;1434933231;mircea_popescu;"main calls AppInit, which itself calls AppInit2 catching all exceptions in two seperate logic branches, shuting itself down if the second layer of AppInit doesn't fire correctly:"
1171238;1434933232;SuchWow;i'm currently bullish, after a LONG time of being bearish
1171239;1434933235;mircea_popescu;for crying out loud.
1171240;1434933241;SuchWow;hence why i was curious as to the general sentiment here
1171241;1434933248;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what!?
1171242;1434933265;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i just keep forgetting the horrest parts of bitcoin
1171243;1434933278;ben_vulpes;it almost looks normal now
1171244;1434933280;ben_vulpes;weep for me
1171245;1434933282;mircea_popescu;then go through these phases of he's kidding no wait, wait, i recall this. but it couldn't be. o yes it is.
1171246;1434933301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43996 @ 0.00041263 = 18.1541 BTC [-] {3} 
1171247;1434933351;mircea_popescu; mysterious BDB shenanigans on application shutdown << it doesn't have atomic index operations. which means, that it can has updated index but unupdated data.
1171248;1434933353;SuchWow;i ofc assume that sentimentality on btc prices affects the securities tradded with it lol
1171249;1434933357;mircea_popescu;at least that's what i understand of it.
1171250;1434933503;ben_vulpes;ah CAddrDB("cr+").LoadAddresses(); i missed you
1171251;1434933505;SuchWow;Anyhow, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all, and should I ever quit my job and start daytrading BTC/USD fulltime again, I will return. I will give back the last 2 minutes I have of being 'upped' to the floor. :)
1171252;1434933517;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1171253;1434933521;ben_vulpes;you were keeping track?
1171254;1434933529;*;SuchWow pours shots for everyone before he goes
1171255;1434933532;ben_vulpes;this was a deliberately orchestrated event!
1171256;1434933534;mircea_popescu;"Even though the application's default behavior is to create the ~/.bitcoind directory itself unprompted (and yet not the bitcoin.conf file that the damn thing expects in there), if you pass it a data directory that doesn't exist, it refuses to create it."
1171257;1434933536;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1171258;1434933536;ben_vulpes;i feel hoodwinked.
1171259;1434933537;mircea_popescu;o god.
1171260;1434933579;ben_vulpes;i'm getting lazy with pronouns.
1171261;1434933594;ben_vulpes;but it's hard to write well wearing asbestos gloves.
1171262;1434933606;mircea_popescu;Bitcoind as written would be the best possible example of condescending software design if it were worthy of being called "designed" instead of "crufted together by a monotonically increasingly febrile group of contributors". << i can sign that.
1171263;1434933608;SuchWow;BOTTOMS UP! CHEERS! KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT MEN! AND WOMEN! AND OTHERS! SEE YOU IN 2016 WHEN THIS SHIT GETS SUPER REAL :D
1171264;1434933616;ben_vulpes;oh fuck off
1171265;1434933618;ben_vulpes;!down SuchWow
1171266;1434933640;mircea_popescu;./proggy -? << iirc this is the old ms-dos standard.
1171267;1434933654;mircea_popescu;because it had to be different from the -h convention
1171268;1434933656;ben_vulpes;the cover
1171269;1434933659;ben_vulpes;it is so complete
1171270;1434933675;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1171271;1434933677;ben_vulpes;visual basic
1171272;1434933681;ben_vulpes;old ms-dos cli flags
1171273;1434933687;ben_vulpes;targeting windows
1171274;1434933690;mircea_popescu;lol
1171275;1434933698;ben_vulpes;it's almost convincing
1171276;1434933701;mircea_popescu;yeah
1171277;1434933736;mircea_popescu;certainly nobody still young enough to pick up chicks would know wtf -?
1171278;1434933769;mircea_popescu;(and no, i'm not an exception - i have to have the chicks pick up chicks for me!)
1171279;1434933825;ben_vulpes;poor old man
1171280;1434933833;ben_vulpes;poor, poor you
1171281;1434933858;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes btw, as a matter of course articles like that should contain a "this is how you get your system to reproduce my screenshots" thing, with emacs settings etc.
1171282;1434933878;mircea_popescu;help people learn the shit you use makes more people use the shit you use makes you less likely to have to learn shit other people use.
1171283;1434933907;ben_vulpes;e for student
1171284;1434933913;ben_vulpes;exercise*
1171285;1434933935;mircea_popescu;it doth not have the great degree of generality that a good exercise makes.
1171286;1434933951;ben_vulpes;M-x gdb
1171287;1434933958;ben_vulpes;okay okay
1171288;1434934108;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and yet, author knows enough to use strprintf rather than any other of the countless vulnerable c string things
1171289;1434934114;mircea_popescu;in which aspect c is very much like php
1171290;1434934129;mircea_popescu;( http://locklessinc.com/articles/dynamic_cstrings/ for the curious )
1171291;1434934130;assbot;Dynamic Strings in C ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBrSiV )
1171292;1434934465;ben_vulpes;does argue for a rather sophisticated greybeard
1171293;1434934491;ben_vulpes;the most elaborate programming exercise - write something world-changing in a style nobody would ever attribute to you
1171294;1434934553;mircea_popescu;myeah. it just doesn't wash, half the "expert" population of c-ers doesn't actually comprehend c string safety
1171295;1434934556;mircea_popescu;(admitting such exists)
1171296;1434934796;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes incidentally is http://cascadianhacker.com/headers/headlights.jpg a muntz rocket ?
1171297;1434934798;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsyF5 )
1171298;1434934881;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html << nice job.
1171299;1434934882;assbot;just another day in sunny cascadia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsFQN )
1171300;1434934882;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1171301;1434934884;ben_vulpes;muntz the car brand or muntz the guy who made TVs?
1171302;1434934887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00040941 = 12.3232 BTC [-] {5} 
1171303;1434934925;ben_vulpes;either way, no
1171304;1434934974;ben_vulpes;unless you're making a sophisticated joke about horsepower and snipping arbitrary cables...
1171305;1434935049;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he also made a car.
1171306;1434935060;mircea_popescu;like 1000 or so ever made. valuable antique now
1171307;1434935093;mircea_popescu;http://onlytruecars.com/data_images/models/muntz-jet/muntz-jet-01.jpg
1171308;1434935094;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBsMMr )
1171309;1434935124;mircea_popescu;but yeah, doesn't actually look like it
1171310;1434935251;mircea_popescu;!up ahmed_
1171311;1434935274;ben_vulpes;yeah, i was looking at that.
1171312;1434935281;ahmed_;ty
1171313;1434935327;ben_vulpes;pretty
1171314;1434935351;mircea_popescu;ahmed_ sure. who're you ?
1171315;1434935356;mircea_popescu;not the dead terrorist i hope ?
1171316;1434935358;ben_vulpes;heh - onlytruecars.com does redirect shenanigans
1171317;1434935361;ahmed_;hahahahahah
1171318;1434935366;ahmed_;nopeee
1171319;1434935372;ben_vulpes;hm
1171320;1434935373;ahmed_;just a fellow bitcoin user
1171321;1434935380;ben_vulpes;who /is/ running a public node?
1171322;1434935387;ahmed_;i am
1171323;1434935389;mircea_popescu;"i'm the live terrorist, mutha! PEW PEW PEW!!!"
1171324;1434935403;ben_vulpes;wcgw
1171325;1434935415;mircea_popescu;;;ud what vulps said
1171326;1434935417;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Palintology&page=2 | It is believed they held a peculiarly close relationship with the species vulpes ... A mindset which doesn't allow someone to stop saying the same things over and ...
1171327;1434935423;mircea_popescu;palintology. clearly.
1171328;1434935433;ben_vulpes;"what could go wrong"
1171329;1434935471;ben_vulpes;anyways these newly muntzed nodes dun wanna connect to anything off of irc
1171330;1434935500;mircea_popescu;what's in the log ?
1171331;1434935514;mircea_popescu;(it is possibru nothing much still runs on irc)
1171332;1434935567;ben_vulpes;not much useful. standard boot up and then silence.
1171333;1434935581;ben_vulpes;hm.
1171334;1434935585;mircea_popescu;does it attempt to connect to anything ?
1171335;1434935600;mircea_popescu;nmap it
1171336;1434935677;mircea_popescu;wireshark it
1171337;1434935679;mircea_popescu;SPY ON IT!!1
1171338;1434935792;cazalla;chark is hongry
1171339;1434935863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19945 @ 0.00040649 = 8.1074 BTC [-] {2} 
1171340;1434936270;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUxe9hFU_M
1171341;1434936271;assbot;[VICE] presents-- *Nug Up or Shut Up* --...(real Joe Rogan selfsuck Humiliation Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5AGjk )
1171342;1434936556;ben_vulpes;i'm trying to reason about it first.
1171343;1434936569;ben_vulpes;reasoning about software?
1171344;1434936571;ben_vulpes;BIG MISTAKE
1171345;1434936608;ben_vulpes;on the topic of the cost of complexity tossed in because someone doesn't understand things
1171346;1434936628;mircea_popescu;beat it first.
1171347;1434936630;mod6;ben_vulpes: what version & patches & os?
1171348;1434936634;mircea_popescu;reason comes after tears.
1171349;1434936661;ben_vulpes;now i have to load the IRC protocol up into my head to figure out precisely how it's derivsupposed to turn IRC connections into peers
1171350;1434936666;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wczaIQqx1ryqodxo1_1280.jpg << here's the famous hyperborean stone whale. speshul for cazalla
1171351;1434936668;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5AS2j )
1171352;1434936684;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes just looks at hostnames from /who list and spams them
1171353;1434936688;ben_vulpes;mod6: everything up through thermonyuuke
1171354;1434936693;mod6;ah
1171355;1434936699;mircea_popescu;also scarfs up join messages.
1171356;1434936706;mod6;ben_vulpes: & ubuntu?
1171357;1434936764;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i like em thick but maybe not that big (i'd still hit it)
1171358;1434936779;mircea_popescu;me2
1171359;1434936826;cazalla;if i can see ribs when she reaches for the sky, she needs a good meal before we bang
1171360;1434936848;cazalla;mind you, this is all theory, i've been banging the same tired old hole for years
1171361;1434936956;mircea_popescu;ribs are notbad either.
1171362;1434936961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10055 @ 0.0004042 = 4.0642 BTC [-]
1171363;1434936965;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gcpfNwkx1rb2yujo1_1280.png example.
1171364;1434936966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ita4Vk )
1171365;1434936991;mod6;re: slutennis "Wouldn't you watch a sport like that ?" << f yes.
1171366;1434937024;mircea_popescu;haha!
1171367;1434937032;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1171368;1434937041;mod6;for sure.
1171369;1434937046;mircea_popescu;pay per view!
1171370;1434937081;mod6;*nod*
1171371;1434937100;mircea_popescu;people^H preachin' retards keep getting in the way of women doing the soirt of shit that'd make them awesome.
1171372;1434937113;mircea_popescu;i guarantee you nobody's saying anything to the slutennis champ but "ma'am"
1171373;1434937131;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i mean something like this where you see the rib cage under the titties http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/29/2451CDB900000578-2890613-image-m-146_1419893680953.jpg
1171374;1434937132;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Btkj )
1171375;1434937151;mod6;foxtail would command respect for sure.
1171376;1434937155;mircea_popescu;cazalla the problem with her is that no tits. if she had d+ knockers the ribcage'd be a +
1171377;1434937181;mircea_popescu;mod6 and the thing is, that arrangement'd pretty much kill anyone but a young woman.
1171378;1434937191;mircea_popescu;sweat to death in that casing. plus fucking heels.
1171379;1434937223;mod6;yeah, that shoes might be the problem.  but... war is hell.
1171380;1434937253;mod6;:D
1171381;1434937298;mod6;girls would have to do cart-wheels to get to a ball on the otherside of the court as opposed to running.
1171382;1434937322;mircea_popescu;holy shit prolly.
1171383;1434937343;mircea_popescu;they'd need special "always ready" cartwheel gloves
1171384;1434937352;mircea_popescu;to protect fingers while doing it with a raquet
1171385;1434937363;mod6;ah, yeah. hmm. didn't consider that.
1171386;1434937379;mircea_popescu;nuts tho. i hadn't realised cartwheels'd necessarily be a big part.
1171387;1434937429;mircea_popescu;in other news, i still dunno what event to do next for eulora.
1171388;1434937437;mod6;the skirts could have a quick "clasp" or some sort of attachment mechinism to keep hands free while cart-wheeling.
1171389;1434937477;cazalla;mircea_popescu, but how many skinny girls have D+ cups? (natural not implants with a gap larger than my front fucking teeth)
1171390;1434937490;mod6;oh I vote for the trip to magial places on the island.
1171391;1434937502;mircea_popescu;cazalla few. but man...
1171392;1434937587;cazalla;creating a bitbet.. micon cops a plea deal.. does anyone think prior to 2016 is a fair time scale?
1171393;1434937602;mircea_popescu;he definitely will tho. who's gonna bet against you
1171394;1434937717;cazalla;who knows.. and he might plea but not agree to do so this year
1171395;1434937783;ben_vulpes;mod6: ya, tis ubuntu
1171396;1434937851;mircea_popescu;mebbe i guess
1171397;1434938376;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
1171398;1434938377;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5CFUO )
1171399;1434938389;mircea_popescu;just about.
1171400;1434938431;ben_vulpes;are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
1171401;1434938467;mircea_popescu;replace the file where bitcoin saves its nodes with your own preference.
1171402;1434938469;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/ayeowch/bitnodes << perhaps...
1171403;1434938471;assbot;ayeowch/bitnodes · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5CKYN )
1171404;1434938568;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: sorry, unclear. scripts for crawling/pinging nodes.
1171405;1434938613;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with alf's ?
1171406;1434938648;ben_vulpes;that one on the list?
1171407;1434938667;mircea_popescu;well yeah
1171408;1434938677;ben_vulpes;i dunno man i just like reading a bunch of different approaches
1171409;1434938680;mircea_popescu;esp if you wish to compare stuff to its results or w/e
1171410;1434938708;mircea_popescu; chrome is  seriously taking over the internets.
1171411;1434938716;mircea_popescu;we're getting another microsoft over here.
1171412;1434938721;trinque;big time
1171413;1434938751;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1171414;1434938761;trinque;can be amusing to think of chrome as a google rootkit
1171415;1434938777;trinque;rather than competing with microsoft or apple in the OS space, they just snuck their way in with their own OS
1171416;1434938777;mircea_popescu;i see it ~40%. with the next two TOGETHER at 40%.
1171417;1434938785;mircea_popescu;yep
1171418;1434938810;mircea_popescu;definitely got it. and im sure some idiot "woman in tech" a la carly fiorina is going to bring a shittier apple itunes store on it
1171419;1434938831;trinque;read some article where they said this is *precisely* what WebAssembly is
1171420;1434938840;trinque;an answer to the app store thing from google
1171421;1434938849;trinque;even though yeah, they've got the android one
1171422;1434938893;mircea_popescu;android thing was just a decoy.
1171423;1434938921;mats;plus side, crimeware never escapes the sandbox.
1171424;1434938943;mircea_popescu;minus side, nothing other than crimeware's worth doing anymore.
1171425;1434938954;ben_vulpes;ALL SOFTWARE IS CRIMEWARE
1171426;1434938963;mats;rude
1171427;1434938965;ben_vulpes;COWER CITIZENS
1171428;1434939117;trinque;to think, people will be able to play oculus angry birds right from facebook
1171429;1434939124;trinque;and they say progress is dead
1171430;1434939175;mats;anybody have any idea wtf this reactive programming stuff is
1171431;1434939180;trinque;https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/457390734_640.jpg
1171432;1434939181;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Dihm )
1171433;1434939182;mats;and plz no buzz words
1171434;1434939214;mircea_popescu;mats mostly "oo v2.0"
1171435;1434939265;mats;oo as in... object oriented?
1171436;1434939315;mircea_popescu;yeah. the previous buzzword wankatron
1171437;1434939523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10145 @ 0.00040319 = 4.0904 BTC [-]
1171438;1434939807;BingoBoingo;Have yet another new-old machine
1171439;1434939864;BingoBoingo;2009 vintage acer laptop, single core amd 64 proccessor 3GB ram.... Disadvantages: Huge
1171440;1434939989;mircea_popescu;"advantages : vibrates pleasantly"
1171441;1434940012;BingoBoingo;advantage: was free
1171442;1434940032;mircea_popescu;can't argue with that.
1171443;1434940042;BingoBoingo;ascquaintance was moving and did not want to move this HUGE thing
1171444;1434940121;asciilifeform;;;late tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
1171445;1434940121;gribble;Error: "late" is not a valid command.
1171446;1434940125;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
1171447;1434940125;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1171448;1434940128;mircea_popescu;a too big to move laptop.
1171449;1434940197;BingoBoingo;Well, he's moving into his girlfriend's place and long ago she bought him a bunch of Apple shit to replace it so indeed too big to move laptop
1171450;1434940260;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: pardon?
1171451;1434940265;cazalla;come with a hdd? burn it with fire BingoBoingo lol
1171452;1434940266;ben_vulpes;oh, you want to see debug.log
1171453;1434940279;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i see in the logs where you had a node fail to snarf seed from the old irc
1171454;1434940302;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Looks like the original 160 GB hard drive. I'll probably end up applicancing it into a node
1171455;1434940372;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171410 << 'chrome' (or, more practically, the open-source trimmable version 'chromium') is the only remaining graphical browser for unixlikes that isn't screamingly retarded
1171456;1434940372;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 02:05:08; mircea_popescu:  chrome is  seriously taking over the internets.
1171457;1434940389;trinque;asciilifeform: still comes with tasty binary treats, apparently
1171458;1434940392;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3GFCEPM
1171459;1434940394;assbot;dpaste: 3GFCEPM ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYn5sO )
1171460;1434940395;trinque;or at least they're leaking through
1171461;1434940400;asciilifeform;trinque: that's what the shears are for
1171462;1434940415;asciilifeform;trinque: also help to run on weird archs
1171463;1434940448;ben_vulpes;the irc "logic" is mind-numbingly dumb
1171464;1434940475;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: be so kind as to try an experiment. ping the box whose hostname i snipped out. notice - not same ip. replace ip in irc.cpp with this. then run.
1171465;1434940495;ben_vulpes;i actually did not notice this.
1171466;1434940500;asciilifeform;i noticed.
1171467;1434940506;ben_vulpes;ahaha i am so dumb.
1171468;1434940522;ben_vulpes;no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
1171469;1434940525;ben_vulpes;involved*.
1171470;1434940634;asciilifeform;l0l smarts
1171471;1434940652;asciilifeform;farts.
1171472;1434940708;*;asciilifeform reads the latest two articles from ben_vulpes 
1171473;1434940743;ben_vulpes;you'll not find much in there.
1171474;1434940854;BingoBoingo;At least will find nice headlights in the header
1171475;1434940866;asciilifeform;mega-vroom
1171476;1434940912;asciilifeform;incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating
1171477;1434941105;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170972 << btw, anybody got a handy link to what precisely generates the message seen here ?
1171478;1434941105;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 21:18:37; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
1171479;1434941121;asciilifeform;as in, is this a hardcoded idiocy in gcc proper ? its linker ? where ?
1171480;1434941134;asciilifeform;a #pragma in glibc ?
1171481;1434941191;asciilifeform;btw, i found our shitgnome: http://www.akkadia.org/drepper/no_static_linking.html
1171482;1434941192;assbot;Static Linking Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYonUC )
1171483;1434941209;asciilifeform;!s drepper
1171484;1434941210;assbot;4 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper
1171485;1434941213;trinque;!up fartacus
1171486;1434941230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu awake ?
1171487;1434941231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00041125 = 14.5583 BTC [+]
1171488;1434941245;fartacus;ben_vulpes: this beirc seems like another one of those "hey cool, made something that works in clim. I think I'll go get a job now" projects
1171489;1434941264;ben_vulpes;lol hi fartacus
1171490;1434941269;trinque;I'm fartacus!
1171491;1434941316;fartacus;thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer
1171492;1434941324;fartacus;but I bet it's sexy under the hood
1171493;1434941363;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1171494;1434941387;ben_vulpes;or if anyone gave a shit and implemented it on allegro it might work
1171495;1434941407;ben_vulpes;but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro
1171496;1434941421;ben_vulpes;p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing
1171497;1434941425;asciilifeform;closed-source toolchains can go die in a fire
1171498;1434941457;*;asciilifeform and has used allegro, and knows that it is, overall, superior in every way (but this) to the available alternatives
1171499;1434941495;thestringpuller;too many softwares named allegra
1171500;1434941498;thestringpuller;allegro*
1171501;1434941502;asciilifeform;https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/134400 << as i understand, drepper 'did it'
1171502;1434941502;assbot;Bug #134400 “glibc do not really static compile my project.� : Bugs : glibc package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hmSN )
1171503;1434941520;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: better in every way but source-open-ness?
1171504;1434941524;asciilifeform;aha
1171505;1434941526;thestringpuller;http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ << asciilifeform is the 2nd result from google, assuming you guise are talking about lisp
1171506;1434941534;thestringpuller;but i am assuming*
1171507;1434941536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00040389 = 17.9327 BTC [-] {4} 
1171508;1434941556;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: ~nothing whatsoever~ to do with allegro common lisp (franz inc.)
1171509;1434941560;asciilifeform;which was the subject here
1171510;1434941573;asciilifeform;(very confusingly, there was also a 'franz lisp')
1171511;1434941600;asciilifeform;http://franz.com/products/allegrocl << vendor page
1171512;1434941601;assbot;Allegro Common Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hDoQ )
1171513;1434941659;asciilifeform;http://franz.com/success << claimed endorsements. notably absent from list is usg, who i have strong reasons to believe is the main buyer.
1171514;1434941661;assbot; Franz Inc: Allegro Common Lisp and Common Lisp Products  ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4hO3B )
1171515;1434941685;ben_vulpes;same is true for the major haskell shops.
1171516;1434941694;*;asciilifeform personally requisitioned an allegro license & support contract while under usg banners
1171517;1434941703;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform:  and how was it?
1171518;1434941721;asciilifeform;spiffy.
1171519;1434941762;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: USG is on that list plenty of times.
1171520;1434941799;asciilifeform;hm, it is, isn't it.
1171521;1434941832;BingoBoingo;Indeed, under many pretexts including a lab with explicit Air Force connection
1171522;1434941836;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes.
1171523;1434942001;asciilifeform;http://ninjalj.blogspot.com/2011/11/your-own-linker-warnings-using-gnu.html << how gcc does linker warnings.
1171524;1434942017;asciilifeform;(some fella went and dug)
1171525;1434942031;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The Todd replace by fee patch is probably derp to hell, but it leads to some of the best Hearnia trolling outside this channel https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/612780261109960704
1171526;1434942085;BingoBoingo;"AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
1171527;1434942099;asciilifeform;what even was this?
1171528;1434942113;*;asciilifeform does not, sadly, have time to personally follow all of the crackpotteries
1171529;1434942136;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hearn and Co are pushing some derp where "Those Bitcoins are yours even before the transaction is mined" idiocies
1171530;1434942151;asciilifeform;how does it (claim to) work ?
1171531;1434942191;ben_vulpes;broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
1171532;1434942200;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform:
1171533;1434942202;BingoBoingo;faith
1171534;1434942212;ben_vulpes;nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily
1171535;1434942220;BingoBoingo;The Tood thing works through pure profit incentive
1171536;1434942235;ben_vulpes;myeah, and miners should really be doing it already
1171537;1434942256;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo: what is so peculiar about including whatever transaction fee? this was always possible ..?
1171538;1434942256;ben_vulpes;it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
1171539;1434942287;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's basically just Peter Todd made the first public code available to do this
1171540;1434942295;asciilifeform;to do what?
1171541;1434942302;ben_vulpes;convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
1171542;1434942303;BingoBoingo;Select for fees
1171543;1434942308;BingoBoingo;on the same inputs
1171544;1434942310;asciilifeform;i don't get it. anyone was already able to specify arbitrarily high fee
1171545;1434942335;*;asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee
1171546;1434942342;BingoBoingo;Indeed, but whatever fee maximizing patches miners and pools were running for were like most serious pool code... seekrit
1171547;1434942348;asciilifeform;if they don't, they are fools, and it isn't any fault of mine
1171548;1434942365;asciilifeform;let me guess:
1171549;1434942369;ben_vulpes;prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees
1171550;1434942373;asciilifeform;shitgang is trying to push a 'for miners' version of turdcoin ?
1171551;1434942383;ben_vulpes;it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast
1171552;1434942384;BingoBoingo;Apparently enough pools though were on derp and herp choosing "see first mine first"
1171553;1434942386;asciilifeform;aimed to replace 'seekrit miner versions'
1171554;1434942397;BingoBoingo;Pretty much
1171555;1434942419;asciilifeform;unsurprising
1171556;1434942429;ben_vulpes;me too
1171557;1434942429;ben_vulpes;look how dumb we are
1171558;1434942477;asciilifeform;i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
1171559;1434942520;ben_vulpes;clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
1171560;1434942610;asciilifeform;btw, one of the (not so) secrets is that mining does not select for 'the brightest bulbs at home depot [u.s. household goods shop]' - nor for political acumen, nor for really much else other than the peculiar countereconomic wormholes which make it sound like a reasonable proposition
1171561;1434942649;ben_vulpes;moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
1171562;1434942666;ben_vulpes;mining is the worst business.
1171563;1434942675;ben_vulpes;(or so it seems from the outside).
1171564;1434942698;ben_vulpes;maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
1171565;1434942702;*;ben_vulpes for bread and cheese
1171566;1434942747;trinque;probably depends on whether you have a relationship with someone making the hardware
1171567;1434942754;*;trinque eyeballs the big chinese mining farms
1171568;1434942773;asciilifeform;mainly on whether you actually pay for the mains current
1171569;1434942954;trinque;yeah obv free power wins
1171570;1434943066;trinque;someone should alias meadenodes.com to xtnodes.com
1171571;1434943327;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171397 << mno. if it's in the channel, it is a live pre-gavin node (OR crafted impostor...)
1171572;1434943327;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 01:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
1171573;1434943350;asciilifeform;but in no case a corpse
1171574;1434943414;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171400 << -addnode=ip
1171575;1434943414;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 02:00:31; ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
1171576;1434943453;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/init.cpp#0166
1171577;1434943454;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/init.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnKLZD )
1171578;1434943471;asciilifeform;or do i misunderstand what was being asked for.
1171579;1434943528;BingoBoingo;I am starting to think "Olde Laptop Colo" might make a nice franchised business
1171580;1434943560;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pre-emplaced in sand pits and fused mains wiring, for the inevitable halt&catchfire ?
1171581;1434943609;asciilifeform;perhaps bury them in the earth (with chimneys for hot air.) sorta like the tombs in recoleta cemetary in buenos aires
1171582;1434943618;asciilifeform;(a surprising number had corpse-gas exhaust pipes!)
1171583;1434943630;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes was there, saw this
1171584;1434943647;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee which covers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
1171585;1434943670;asciilifeform;incidentally earth is great for passive cooling
1171586;1434943677;asciilifeform;(if burial is deep enough)
1171587;1434943709;asciilifeform;you will need to seal to keep out moisture, but if repair is not a concern (machine is disposable, replacement gets new burial plot) this is relatively simple matter
1171588;1434943771;asciilifeform;though i still like my proposal for sinking miners to the bottom of the north atlantic, more.
1171589;1434943789;asciilifeform;(go and steal, aha)
1171590;1434943798;BingoBoingo;I'm thinking more steel sheds, rural locations that happen to be near interections of big city fiber. Prospective franchisees would be the local small town "computer repair" folk
1171591;1434943848;asciilifeform;nah, you want to take serious advantage of the expendability
1171592;1434943881;asciilifeform;but in such a way that the box lives out its remaining life, rather than being lifted by the first idiot copper scavenger who comes along.
1171593;1434943904;asciilifeform;(not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
1171594;1434943906;BingoBoingo;Sure, but I'm thinking you do so by getting machines from the customers.
1171595;1434943998;BingoBoingo;customer brings boxen, pay setup then power+pipe. Value proposition to franchisees is small town computer outfit gets an avenue to engage in rent collection.
1171596;1434944040;asciilifeform;if box is easily accessible, 'skin not worth the tanning'
1171597;1434944064;asciilifeform;whole point would be the physical security of a few metres of cement
1171598;1434944114;asciilifeform;(it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
1171599;1434944126;asciilifeform;see the literature.
1171600;1434944214;asciilifeform;(machine includes vibration, ph, sensors, clinometer, magnetometer, etc. if readings deviate from 'pylon is happily alone in the earth' memory gets zeroed and walked over, continuously)
1171601;1434944260;BingoBoingo;Point for the customers is access to pipe and power off of their own premises. Physical security offered against naive scavengers, but premise could scale to hundreds of locations. Cheap and easily replicable
1171602;1434944304;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: schmucks in, iirc, germany, doing this already. see logs
1171603;1434944318;asciilifeform;snorefest because this has literally no serious advantage over normal hosting
1171604;1434944339;asciilifeform;(if i wanted a box in some schmuck's house, i'd put it right here in mine)
1171605;1434944376;asciilifeform;but five metres of cement - or 500m of salt water - that would be something.
1171606;1434944442;BingoBoingo;Typical imagined customer is small business that wants to support other local business. Connosieur customer wants access to pipe without fucking up their netflix at home.
1171607;1434944488;asciilifeform;so he would share with ~some other schmuck's~ netflix ?
1171608;1434944506;asciilifeform;this has all the appeal of renting out the toilet in your house as a public latrine
1171609;1434944531;BingoBoingo;lol, yes
1171610;1434944538;asciilifeform;or your kitchen, as a place for bums to cook roadkill in
1171611;1434944587;mats;brb submitting my ycombinator application for this idea
1171612;1434944594;BingoBoingo;mats: Go for it
1171613;1434944617;asciilifeform;'sharing economy!!11!!1' (tm) (r)
1171614;1434944673;BingoBoingo;Seriously, this has all the promise of a great chumpatron except every now and then a customer does something worthwhile
1171615;1434944736;asciilifeform;btw, my local telco quasimonopoly - 'verizon' - had a hilarious tamer version of this for some years, where you pay a few hundy for a box that opens a vpn to their end and gives you cell signal in your house, via your own net pipe. and they had the audacity to still charge for the 'minutes' and per MB of data.
1171616;1434944755;asciilifeform;as result, the only folks who bought were 1) chumps 2) people who wanted to make own 'stingray'
1171617;1434944786;mats;that's kind of brilliant
1171618;1434944793;asciilifeform;vendor very much did not like (2) and they closed the hole which made reflashing the rom trivial. now you have to actually open the plastic box, oh noez.
1171619;1434944800;mats;for operator, anyway
1171620;1434944836;asciilifeform;who wants - go, buy.
1171621;1434944839;asciilifeform;thing is still sold.
1171622;1434944857;BingoBoingo;femtocel
1171623;1434944858;asciilifeform;http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network-extender-scs-2u01
1171624;1434944861;assbot;Samsung Network Extender (SCS-2U01)- Verizon Wireless ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnOmqs )
1171625;1434944875;asciilifeform;i'm told there are equivalents for other american carriers
1171626;1434944904;BingoBoingo;I think Comcast and a few cableco's do this for wifi
1171627;1434945075;BingoBoingo;Major revenue source for mothership is selling the franchisees laptop cages, cooling, and FeNi batteries
1171628;1434945142;BingoBoingo;Revenue source for franchisee is setting up machines, collecting rent, and selling good feels to the locals
1171629;1434945173;asciilifeform;if the past 40 years of computer retardation hadn't happened, and we used a stack with support for seamless process migration, 'voting circuit' computation, etc. it would be practical to use '1024 chickens' arrays of arbitrarily garbage hardware
1171630;1434945183;asciilifeform;as it is, there is a lower bound for what is worth bothering with at all.
1171631;1434945195;asciilifeform;what, other than bitcoind, would you even consider putting on such a thing
1171632;1434945254;BingoBoingo;Actually this idea was born from I have phree machine, want to appliance it up with Bitcoind, but making it a super public seeder on the home connection would be the suck.
1171633;1434945257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8974 @ 0.00039974 = 3.5873 BTC [-] {2} 
1171634;1434945286;asciilifeform;rent a cage at data center
1171635;1434945295;asciilifeform;this costs money, so find 40 friends to split it with
1171636;1434945299;BingoBoingo;Other maybe applications of such service though might be IRC bouncers and personal mail machines
1171637;1434945304;asciilifeform;(typically they go by full rack)
1171638;1434945346;BingoBoingo;Which is the beauty of this idea. Find folk who would sell fractional rackspace
1171639;1434945357;BingoBoingo;AirBNB the datacenter
1171640;1434945372;asciilifeform;fractional rack space with terrible hardware already exists
1171641;1434945379;asciilifeform;i have a few boxes like this myself
1171642;1434945422;asciilifeform;thing is, what you're actually paying for is proximity to respectable pipe
1171643;1434945434;asciilifeform;this is not to be found in a residential unit, and certainly not in usa
1171644;1434945482;BingoBoingo;And now we have the real crux of the problem. How to get chumps to subsidize serious pipe
1171645;1434945486;asciilifeform;brings back to a fundamental point from one of mircea_popescu's articles - shuffling things around is not going to increase 'number of turkeys available'
1171646;1434945512;asciilifeform;usa is a shit-internet country. this won't change because there is no good reason for it to change
1171647;1434945523;BingoBoingo;More turkeys is a very hard problem. More chickens is much easier.
1171648;1434945556;asciilifeform;laying cable to nowhere-duelingbajos-fucktown is not an economically +ev proposition.
1171649;1434945567;asciilifeform;places which only even have telephones because usg imposed it
1171650;1434945591;asciilifeform;desovietization will leave those folks where they belong - with highest tech level available being the hog harness
1171651;1434945617;asciilifeform;(hell, possibly whole usa is candidate for this)
1171652;1434945638;BingoBoingo;Mapsploring I am finding a disturbing number of duelingbajos-fucktowns which by all right ought to have datacenters advertising colospace based on cable locations and intersections.
1171653;1434945671;asciilifeform;they probably have cable in cement vault
1171654;1434945681;BingoBoingo;A number of these fucktowns even have major connection endpoints in the form of bezzelversities
1171655;1434945787;asciilifeform;incidentally, just about every american town of any size has a version of this: the hollowed-out fortified walls of the old strowger-switch telco exchanges
1171656;1434945799;asciilifeform;they are being filled up with 'dc on the cheap'
1171657;1434945801;BingoBoingo;Prime candidate for such an operation is carbondale, Illinois. Lived there once. Oasis of connectivity in a desert. Major chicago-New Orleans pipe. Indianapolis pipe. St Louis pipe. Shithole Kentucky pipes. Many hippies who want to "buy local"
1171658;1434945814;asciilifeform;but still largely empty, because in bezzleworld 'cheap' is a relative thing.
1171659;1434945840;asciilifeform;but at no point does it make sense to emplace anything of any value whatsoever in mr. randomschmuck's house.
1171660;1434945846;BingoBoingo;USG datacenters 10 miles away in Marion, IL off of the pipe path because prisons and FBU
1171661;1434945854;asciilifeform;i will have no part in it. and i can't picture any sane person wanting a part in it.
1171662;1434945909;BingoBoingo;Oh I never said house. I said shed. Shed goes on shitland, in town's once industrial district. Preferably a "superfund" site.
1171663;1434945925;asciilifeform;what, again, would you pay actual money to host in such a place ?
1171664;1434945961;BingoBoingo;to host three machines in different locals for the price of one machine in a big city datacenter
1171665;1434945964;asciilifeform;and how does it beat the 20-30bux/mo an old pentium3 in data center costs?
1171666;1434945997;asciilifeform;methinks we're speaking of a 'chinese backyard steel mill' situation here.
1171667;1434946005;asciilifeform;!s backyard steel
1171668;1434946006;assbot;6 results for 'backyard steel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backyard+steel
1171669;1434946038;BingoBoingo;AH, in this region there is not such a deal I can drive to. A bring the box colo costs $70 USD for 1 rack unit
1171670;1434946062;BingoBoingo;At half depth
1171671;1434946125;BingoBoingo;I'm trying to think out a way to chump this down to $20 per box
1171672;1434946158;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that'd easily fit half a dozen of, e.g., these, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162727
1171673;1434946158;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 21:46:21; trinque: http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great
1171674;1434946211;BingoBoingo;It really would. Or what was that thing which clustered a bunch of opteron slices.
1171675;1434946275;pete_dushenski;self-scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/21/statelessness-of-fearlessness/
1171676;1434946277;assbot;Statelessness of fearlessness. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl1jx )
1171677;1434946300;BingoBoingo;But the franchise model was suggested for a reason. When dealing with homo reddictus must put meatshield up to absorb derp.
1171678;1434946325;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm just at a serious loss to picture how this wins.
1171679;1434946330;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i'm seeing the comment. also, replied. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/#comment-21039
1171680;1434946331;assbot;Epidemiology is hard to follow. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl7HU )
1171681;1434946414;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
1171682;1434946417;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Who said it wins? I'm merely suggesting it could take in more dollars than expended. At the moment McDonalds is losing.
1171683;1434946457;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: your blog has a header ! and it's a c-c-c-car !!
1171684;1434946554;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 'Sorry, hun, doesn’t work like that. That was the Ambien you took.' << is this the new substitute for lsd ?
1171685;1434946562;asciilifeform;what's it do, specifically ?
1171686;1434946573;asciilifeform;feel like i heard of it before
1171687;1434946576;asciilifeform;(tlp?)
1171688;1434946582;BingoBoingo;Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.
1171689;1434946597;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: indeed it's from tlp. and it's a sedative.
1171690;1434946606;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ambien makes one trip balls if you stay awake instead of sleeping
1171691;1434946639;pete_dushenski;ambien "It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic of the imidazopyridine class[3] that potentiates GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to GABAA receptors at the same location as benzodiazepines.[4] It works quickly, usually within 15 minutes, and has a short half-life of two to three hours."
1171692;1434946660;BingoBoingo;Less LSD alternative and more "robotrip" alternative
1171693;1434946672;asciilifeform;so ghb-like mechanism ?
1171694;1434946689;asciilifeform;robotrip ?
1171695;1434946740;BingoBoingo;ghb like, if GHB were ken shamrock and Ambien Kimbo Slice
1171696;1434946743;*;asciilifeform is very much out of date on dope trivia
1171697;1434946777;pete_dushenski;robotrip sounds like robocop come back from the dead as a walking zombie
1171698;1434946787;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
1171699;1434946789;*;asciilifeform will catch up on dope when he is finally confined to the п�ихушка
1171700;1434946873;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski still awake ?
1171701;1434946884;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski ought to write a piece on the uprising at treblinka.
1171702;1434946898;asciilifeform;(specifically)
1171703;1434946911;pete_dushenski;hm. can't say i know much about it.
1171704;1434946912;asciilifeform;^ this re: the quoted thread with spandrell
1171705;1434946921;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: have some source material handy ?
1171706;1434946924;asciilifeform;re 'wives & children'
1171707;1434946924;pete_dushenski;aha.
1171708;1434946937;asciilifeform;what languages does pete_dushenski have a command of ?
1171709;1434946937;*;BingoBoingo was prescribed Ambien to sleep in Undergrad. Made the mistake of taking before getting last cigarette of the evening. Ambien can trigger some odd things.
1171710;1434947000;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: for translation purposes : french and spanish. the romanian bits i do, awful as they are, are only because mp authored them.
1171711;1434947051;BingoBoingo;Also... get ready for more bearded ladies http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/06/18/aging_as_a_disease.php (female facial hair is most notorious metformin side effect)
1171712;1434947052;assbot;Aging As a Disease. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdm0QG )
1171713;1434947077;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: my recollection (ru sources) is that treblinka was the site of one of the very few uprisings on account of the participants in said uprising having already lost their women
1171714;1434947078;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: what 'odd things' did ambien trigger for you ?
1171715;1434947104;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ah yes, this rings a bell now. probably from the logs.
1171716;1434947108;pete_dushenski;!s treblinka
1171717;1434947109;assbot;4 results for 'treblinka' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=treblinka
1171718;1434947154;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Mostly it triggered some interesting visual things and a profound compromise in judgement equivalent to a fifth of bourbon, but without the other tell tale warnings actual booze would offer.
1171719;1434947196;asciilifeform;'At Treblinka, an underground organization plotted an armed rebellion and mass escape. Learning about the Warsaw ghetto revolt from the last transports of Jews brought to Treblinka from Warsaw, the organizers decided the moment for revolt had arrived. On August 2, 1943, the underground fighters put their plan into action: to steal arms from the warehouse; eliminate the German and Ukrainian guards on duty; set the camp on fire;
1171720;1434947196;asciilifeform; destroy the extermination area; and, then help the remaining prisoners escape to the forest. Many were killed during the rebellion, including all the resistance leaders, as the flames and reports of the revolt brought German reinforcements from all directions. But as many as 200 prisoners escaped to the neighboring forest, and perhaps twenty of those men survived German efforts to recapture them.'
1171721;1434947201;asciilifeform;^ engl. summary
1171722;1434947237;BingoBoingo;If in bed immediately after ambien... much sleep. Problem is I developed tolerance to the stuff rapidly.
1171723;1434947291;pete_dushenski;http://holocaust-history.org/operation-reinhard/uprising-in-treblinka.shtml << firsthand account of one of said 200 escapees.
1171724;1434947294;assbot;Uprising in Treblinka ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdmiXY )
1171725;1434947320;pete_dushenski;written in 1945 and presented before us congress.
1171726;1434947338;asciilifeform;does it mention the interesting detail re: the women ?
1171727;1434947369;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm probably missing some nuances because... a decade ago
1171728;1434947533;trinque;I had a roommate who would sleepwalk on ambien
1171729;1434947544;trinque;started talking to me about the rollercoaster theme park he was at one night
1171730;1434947550;trinque;and other hilarious nonsense
1171731;1434947615;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: just scanned it. account describes particular atrocities against women and babies, but doesn't specifically state that 700 "workers" who staged coup were mostly or entirely men.
1171732;1434947644;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: alcohol sounds more fun.
1171733;1434947652;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It is
1171734;1434947694;BingoBoingo;trinque: The cognitive impairment if I remember correctly is at least equivalent to 750ml of 80 proof liquor
1171735;1434947704;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: that they were men is no surprise of any kind. but the detail i recall was that they were men who either had no wife, no sister, in the camp (or knew that these were safely dead)
1171736;1434947709;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah I took some for the hell of it
1171737;1434947720;trinque;felt disoriented, confused, but nothing worth repeating
1171738;1434947798;BingoBoingo;A couple years later I was at a conference I wanted to nope the fuck out of, had one left in my grooming package. Challenged the up escalator and lost. Thankfully my (actual) sherpa kept me from falling in the Chicago river
1171739;1434947891;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation
1171740;1434947937;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: seems like a tricky and rather specific detail to unearth about treblinka. may be apocryphal ?
1171741;1434947945;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: may be.
1171742;1434947958;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: also ties into mp's "married men should stfu" piece
1171743;1434947983;pete_dushenski;though most don't need to be told this, as spandrell points out.
1171744;1434948008;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
1171745;1434948021;asciilifeform;bare courage gives you: zulu.
1171746;1434948029;asciilifeform;charging british 'maxim'
1171747;1434948068;asciilifeform;(there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
1171748;1434948110;pete_dushenski;well, strategy's a thing.
1171749;1434948128;pete_dushenski;courage doesn't mean kamikaze in a port-a-potee
1171750;1434948142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu might disagree
1171751;1434948153;pete_dushenski;perhaps.
1171752;1434948156;asciilifeform;if saturday's thread is anything to go on
1171753;1434948203;pete_dushenski;ok so courage is necessary but not sufficient
1171754;1434948228;pete_dushenski;it's *all* the zulu had
1171755;1434948245;funkenstein_;there may be things in the world not on your map
1171756;1434948276;pete_dushenski;there most certainly are.
1171757;1434948286;funkenstein_;as someone who spend fathers day cleaning shit off lightbulbs, i look forward to the opportunity to disprove the thesis
1171758;1434948288;asciilifeform;if funkenstein_ has a secret map pointing out a kingdom of nuke-wielding zulu, he oughta share.
1171759;1434948302;pete_dushenski;lmao
1171760;1434948329;funkenstein_;they show up in gibson's cyberspace don't they
1171761;1434948332;*;asciilifeform wonders how shit might end up on a light bulb
1171762;1434948335;asciilifeform;own a pet hippo ?
1171763;1434948351;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: this'd be the thesis that family men have too much to lose to wage war ?
1171764;1434948366;funkenstein_;that's the one
1171765;1434948386;funkenstein_;compare e.g. mao and kai-shek
1171766;1434948399;funkenstein_;at least from the histories i have read
1171767;1434948414;funkenstein_;kai-shek had son captured by russians, was incapacitated
1171768;1434948422;funkenstein_;mao, didn't give a flying fuck about kids
1171769;1434948433;asciilifeform;famously, fate of stalin's son
1171770;1434948434;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: i suspect that a healthy chunk of b,tmsr~ is equally prepared to prove this wrong.
1171771;1434948467;pete_dushenski;the digital domain being quite a different landscape from the concentration camps, i suspect it's entirely possible.
1171772;1434948486;pete_dushenski;like the deficits that we can run, no one else can do.
1171773;1434948503;asciilifeform;i never grokked that part
1171774;1434948524;asciilifeform;by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer
1171775;1434948533;pete_dushenski;difference between voluntary and coerced taxation model is my understanding.
1171776;1434948538;asciilifeform;(are we simply mentally tallying unpaid specialist labour?)
1171777;1434948560;asciilifeform;who was coercively taxed to write linux kernel ?
1171778;1434948637;pete_dushenski;we're mentally tallying 'the state's' revenues vs. expenses
1171779;1434948659;pete_dushenski;revenues are decentalised and therefore 'off the book'
1171780;1434948674;pete_dushenski;expenses are 'for the greater good' and 'on the book'
1171781;1434948684;asciilifeform;just pointing out that herr torvalds could run the same kind of calculation, and end up with similarly fantastic numbers
1171782;1434948700;asciilifeform;of how many armadas could have been bought with the money he never had to pay
1171783;1434948733;asciilifeform;obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html <<
1171784;1434948734;assbot;Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdo3V5 )
1171785;1434948763;funkenstein_;time to reveal my complete ignorance of lisp
1171786;1434948773;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: read link. not actually about lisp
1171787;1434948800;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: torvalds might do just that if he saw the value of such a calculation and understood the implications
1171788;1434948807;funkenstein_;ah, you are on topic :)
1171789;1434948837;asciilifeform;colour me thick, but i still don't feel like i have a grasp of the implications.
1171790;1434948954;funkenstein_;he feels "tricked" to "give away work"?
1171791;1434948959;pete_dushenski;well you're far from thick and not all that coloured, but the implication is that for an organisation as ambitious as this one, our enemies have their work cut out for them.
1171792;1434948959;asciilifeform;digging up an old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-02-2015#1023860
1171793;1434948959;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
1171794;1434948970;asciilifeform;ever wonder how this went away ?
1171795;1434949017;asciilifeform;the original generation of 'computers are interesting and we know basic maths, etc' grew old, mostly did not die yet except in ben franklin's sense of 'most people die at 25 but buried at 75'
1171796;1434949021;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition
1171797;1434949077;pete_dushenski;as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.
1171798;1434949079;asciilifeform;but they went into the meatgrinder described in linked naggum piece.
1171799;1434949091;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
1171800;1434949106;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%
1171801;1434949123;asciilifeform;anyone else having same experience as ben_vulpes ?
1171802;1434949127;funkenstein_;doing useful work is hardly a meatgrinder
1171803;1434949132;ben_vulpes;i must be cocking this up in some novel way
1171804;1434949148;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: read the naggum piece again.
1171805;1434949185;asciilifeform;esp. the part re: 'is a surplus phenomenon'
1171806;1434949307;funkenstein_;i'm not hugely impressed by his analysis
1171807;1434949344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00039824 = 18.5182 BTC [-] {4} 
1171808;1434949350;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: would you be willing to share, roughly, how old you are ?
1171809;1434949357;funkenstein_;this might apply to say, nethack coding
1171810;1434949375;funkenstein_;but some things do have needs they address
1171811;1434949394;funkenstein_;probably older than you, just not wiser
1171812;1434949415;funkenstein_;due to various factors you may have already surmised
1171813;1434949430;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: so you oughta be well-equipped to understand the observation re: 'it costs a hell of a lot to live'
1171814;1434949487;funkenstein_;ok i don't know norway.. but i think that needs a bit of sussing out
1171815;1434949516;funkenstein_;he does mention "advanced society¨..
1171816;1434949543;asciilifeform;norway was considerably more expensive for naggum than for just about anyone
1171817;1434949552;asciilifeform;on account of how he ended up - literally - taxed to death
1171818;1434949586;funkenstein_;ok that context does help thanks
1171819;1434949606;asciilifeform;(short version: he decided that he could easily live off the consulting pay from working a few months / year. no. gov. decided that he must be secretly working the remainder of the year, and demanded tax, which he could not afford to pay. was driven into penury and died of self-neglect from easily treatable diseases)
1171820;1434949642;funkenstein_;it is an often discussed irony that technology decreases leisure time
1171821;1434949654;asciilifeform;but overall he was, i think, referring to the more prosaic fact that it costs a hell of a lot to ~not live like a 17 y.o. shit~
1171822;1434949686;asciilifeform;that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
1171823;1434949718;asciilifeform;this is even aside from the expensive things folks sometimes ~choose~ to do when they grow older, like producing children, etc
1171824;1434949741;pete_dushenski;children, traveling, cars, hobbies...
1171825;1434949761;pete_dushenski;it adds up quickly.
1171826;1434949780;asciilifeform;there are other 'costs' that aren't precisely monetary, like the fact that you can't do the 20 years where you became a serious specialist in something - over again
1171827;1434949806;funkenstein_;the travel one rings true.
1171828;1434949807;pete_dushenski;ah yes, 'opportunity costs'
1171829;1434949870;funkenstein_;damn in norway?  that is surprising, from what i hear of social system there
1171830;1434949926;funkenstein_;anyway, the irony is that he is.. while complaining about it..  donating his time to write the piece
1171831;1434949935;funkenstein_;for us to discuss here now
1171832;1434949959;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: a usenet post (or, for that matter, me speaking here) is more like a fart
1171833;1434949965;asciilifeform;than 'donated time'
1171834;1434949981;asciilifeform;it doesn't soak up concentration of the kind that is a serious limited resource in a thinking person's day
1171835;1434949987;funkenstein_;useful work
1171836;1434950003;funkenstein_;you can't be serious
1171837;1434950014;asciilifeform;next time you're hungry, try eating this 'useful work'
1171838;1434950018;funkenstein_;i'm sure you dream IRC
1171839;1434950052;funkenstein_;I'll stick with oats and water
1171840;1434950100;funkenstein_;I had a dream, something happenend in channel, and you or someone said "six months!  right on schedule"
1171841;1434950123;asciilifeform;wasn't me
1171842;1434950128;funkenstein_;hehe
1171843;1434950133;*;asciilifeform doesn't recall doing the 'six months' thing personally, either
1171844;1434950146;funkenstein_;so it's a thing?
1171845;1434950169;funkenstein_;i mean, past the excellent Yeshiva post
1171846;1434950171;asciilifeform;it was a maxim made up by either mircea_popescu or pete_dushenski (forgot who)
1171847;1434950182;asciilifeform;whereby a n00b 'must read log for 6 mo' before he can make any sense
1171848;1434950189;funkenstein_;:D
1171849;1434950207;funkenstein_;maybe that's what it was
1171850;1434950212;*;asciilifeform is still not certain that he 'makes sense' even today
1171851;1434950217;funkenstein_;lol
1171852;1434950219;*;asciilifeform off to bed
1171853;1434950238;funkenstein_;sleep well
1171854;1434950259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00039511 = 15.4883 BTC [-] {2} 
1171855;1434950262;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/
1171856;1434950263;assbot;IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdpYJ9 )
1171857;1434950285;pete_dushenski;where have the last 15 months gone ?
1171858;1434950352;funkenstein_;maybe we will later complain, we were immature to give away our time?  I don't think so.
1171859;1434950468;pete_dushenski;i've personally taken a lot more than i've given, at least intellectually.
1171860;1434950488;pete_dushenski;for that, i've received a hell of a deal.
1171861;1434950601;pete_dushenski;i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?
1171862;1434950728;funkenstein_;the whole shebang maybe?
1171863;1434950764;pete_dushenski;?
1171864;1434950789;funkenstein_;hawking said, the universe is the ultimate free lunch
1171865;1434950819;funkenstein_;i think this whole cost analysis thing only makes sense to do in a specified context
1171866;1434950826;pete_dushenski;bbl.
1171867;1434950830;funkenstein_;which is part of the problem with the naggum piece as well
1171868;1434950835;funkenstein_;cheers
1171869;1434951662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69450 @ 0.0003901 = 27.0924 BTC [-] {2} 
1171870;1434952040;cazalla;pete_dushenski, no auto approve for second comment onwards?
1171871;1434952643;cazalla;today is the winter solstice and gee it is fucking cold
1171872;1434952821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040915 = 20.4166 BTC [+] {2} 
1171873;1434952825;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition << eh let's not exagerate, guy's been dealing with linux for two decades.
1171874;1434953043;mircea_popescu;"more efficient use of physical memory. All processes share the same physical pages for the code in the DSOs. With prelinking startup times for dynamically linked code is as good as that of statically linked code."
1171875;1434953055;mircea_popescu;retard put thios right after his two "security" "killer arguments" ?
1171876;1434953132;mircea_popescu;so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no
1171877;1434953133;mircea_popescu; need to go buy a new car"
1171878;1434953145;mircea_popescu;at least they're brave.
1171879;1434953337;mircea_popescu;http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com.ar/2009/05/tribute.html << somewhat lulzy.
1171880;1434953339;assbot;Linux Hater's Blog: A tribute ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCCh50 )
1171881;1434953398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "Ab 1996 arbeitete er für die Firma Cygnus Solutions. Von 1999 bis September 2010 war er dann Mitarbeiter des Linux-Distributors Red Hat. Seit Oktober 2010 arbeitet er für Goldman Sachs."
1171882;1434953408;mircea_popescu;see, why can't you be more like lloyd brown.
1171883;1434953581;mircea_popescu;also http://www.neowin.net/news/munich-germany-realizes-that-deploying-linux-was-a-disaster-going-back-to-windows lol
1171884;1434953582;assbot;Munich, Germany realizes that deploying Linux was a disaster, going back to Windows ... ( http://bit.ly/1SBWRkm )
1171885;1434953633;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
1171886;1434953634;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1171887;1434953666;*;ben_vulpes is loath to apply wireshark to this
1171888;1434953723;mircea_popescu;you will have to somehow answer the question of "does it try to send"
1171889;1434953781;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1171890;1434953800;ben_vulpes;well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels
1171891;1434953836;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P
1171892;1434953836;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 04:19:47; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
1171893;1434953918;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes 01 to 99 ?
1171894;1434953998;BingoBoingo;cazalla: My CYP450 2D6 is too fast to try that. Converts it to its worst form too fast for a hellish peak (/me kinda also regrets spitting in a tube so USG could profile my dna to discover this)
1171895;1434954072;ben_vulpes;#bitcoin01,02,03,05,05,10,20,25,30,35,22
1171896;1434954086;cazalla;so what's that do, hasten the effects or increase them as well?
1171897;1434954096;ben_vulpes;confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room
1171898;1434954147;ben_vulpes;i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
1171899;1434954156;BingoBoingo;cazalla: It hastens turining drug into more extreme version of the drug.
1171900;1434954178;cazalla;dxmo from memory
1171901;1434954182;ben_vulpes;i was going to script this, but a visual inspection seems to indicate no nodes on the irc.
1171902;1434954188;BingoBoingo;Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time
1171903;1434954241;cazalla;SWIM many years ago turned to research chems instead of cough syrup
1171904;1434954267;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes now im curious.
1171905;1434954359;ben_vulpes;i tried this with both the IP addr for lfnet in the satoshi codebase and also the ip addr provided when loking up irc.lfnet.org
1171906;1434954366;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu:  lemme know if i can answer anything for ya
1171907;1434954387;ben_vulpes;i'm appropriately burnt out on self-mgmt on this task for today, but can still turn cranks
1171908;1434954417;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo:  it's okay, the toilet needs it.
1171909;1434954424;ben_vulpes;in other news, i named the car.
1171910;1434954436;ben_vulpes;"stella", for a favorite kids book "stella luna", because the car is a batmobile.
1171911;1434954447;ben_vulpes;!up mius
1171912;1434954468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48149 @ 0.00041294 = 19.8826 BTC [+] {2} 
1171913;1434954789;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1158322 << can only be resolved on a case-by-case basis, not ever at a larger scale i don't think.
1171914;1434954789;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 16:53:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.
1171915;1434954896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00040663 = 20.2705 BTC [-]
1171916;1434954955;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yep, its dead.
1171917;1434954983;mircea_popescu;plenty of dogecoin chans with 1 user, two full chans of namecoin, 180 users, and otherwise an endless parade of scamcoins omfg, i never heard of most of 'em.
1171918;1434954995;mircea_popescu;and by "it's dead" i mostly mean lfnet. nothing there.
1171919;1434955056;ben_vulpes;evening, hanbot.
1171920;1434955069;hanbot;howdy
1171921;1434955094;ben_vulpes;mwell i'm pooped.
1171922;1434955147;ben_vulpes;(i had an icecream today - thought of the various ice creams in bsas)
1171923;1434955187;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Great piece on the Texas drama, congrats.
1171924;1434955192;hanbot;how'd it compare?
1171925;1434955197;hanbot;tyvm BingoBoingo!
1171926;1434955243;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes productive day
1171927;1434955293;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171526 << let's not get into which power rangers missed 5 btc because there's not poop on their magic markers.
1171928;1434955293;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 03:01:25; BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF"
1171929;1434955339;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171531 << you will note miners can do this NOW if they feel like it. there's exactly zero need for peter todd or anyone else to be involved.
1171930;1434955339;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 03:03:11; ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs
1171931;1434955348;mircea_popescu;some do, most don't, principally because it ain't worth the hassle.
1171932;1434955364;mircea_popescu;more gargle about the pies in the skies of our imaginary homeworld.
1171933;1434955433;pete_dushenski;cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
1171934;1434955444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00040336 = 18.9579 BTC [-]
1171935;1434955453;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171545 << it's a more complicated problem than it seems to be (mostly because of the short timeframe involved and the layered nature of the mempool) and the miners are more technologically inept than one'd expect.
1171936;1434955453;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 03:05:35; *: asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee
1171937;1434955550;ben_vulpes;i'm off.
1171938;1434955558;mircea_popescu;sleep well.
1171939;1434955569;ben_vulpes;harder every night but thanks
1171940;1434955701;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171558 << this sounds a lot more professionally qualified than is the case. more like "i invented a novel inovative user-friendly streamlined buzzword-buzzword way to pick up aples : by their tail. can i has consulting gig ? watch my presentation on toilet paper theory."
1171941;1434955701;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 03:07:57; asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea'
1171942;1434955705;mircea_popescu;academia sort of stuff.
1171943;1434955897;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171593 << what's so wrong with recycling ?
1171944;1434955897;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 03:31:44; asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged)
1171945;1434955901;mircea_popescu;it's what bacteria does for us!
1171946;1434955988;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171598 << yes without anyone noticing. plants do it all the time. so do ants. so does water. trivial to design a bot that breaks up cement at the rate of a foot a year.
1171947;1434955988;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 03:35:14; asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean)
1171948;1434956347;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171681 << how do you even tell how tall he is ? by comparing with the pins ?
1171949;1434956347;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 04:13:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity
1171950;1434956377;pete_dushenski;proportions with surroudings, sure, including pins.
1171951;1434956387;pete_dushenski;surroundings*
1171952;1434956461;pete_dushenski;i'm guessing he's 5'10" - 5'11"
1171953;1434956497;pete_dushenski;http://www.coindesk.com/judge-rules-in-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending-lawsuit/ << fiat court tries to deal with fallout of btcjam scamming
1171954;1434956498;assbot;Judge Rules in Peer-to-Peer Bitcoin Lending Lawsuit ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdwsrA )
1171955;1434956504;pete_dushenski;!s btcjam
1171956;1434956506;assbot;139 results for 'btcjam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcjam
1171957;1434956665;mircea_popescu;"You can predict the level of violence in an area just by looking at alcohol sales." << worst stupid ever.
1171958;1434956678;mircea_popescu;this is in fact a straight revival of 1880s us missionary cant.
1171959;1434956700;mircea_popescu;they were engaged in a political battle, at hte time, because they didn't like that the men, congregating in bars, decided elections.
1171960;1434956710;mircea_popescu;they wanted the women, congregating in churches, to decide elections instead.
1171961;1434956723;mircea_popescu;because they just so happened to have 0% survival changes in a bar, and ran churches.
1171962;1434956799;mircea_popescu;pretty much every failure of the us post gilded age can be traced to the losing of that battle. and no, giving women the vote was not a bad idea. great idea. but they should have burned the missionaries on a stake.
1171963;1434956833;mircea_popescu;"Have a daughter, not a son." << heh, mmmmkay.
1171964;1434957184;*;pete_dushenski just imagines white collar couple with bundle of female joy in tow citing such 'science' 'proving' the wisdom of their 'decision'
1171965;1434957300;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171739 << riiight. maybe also figure out the patterns that make one go to heaven. go through the motions of being happy. play the harmonica, badly.
1171966;1434957300;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 04:38:11; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation
1171967;1434957308;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171476 << because parts are increasing in price ? i'm not seeing this with the w126. too many of them were produced, too many still on the road. parts are monumentally cheap.
1171968;1434957308;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 02:41:52; asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating
1171969;1434957330;mircea_popescu;if this pattern bullshit worked we wouldn't be stuck here with glibc. and that goes exactly to pete_dushenski "wisdom of decisions" thing above too
1171970;1434957387;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171744 << it was the bare hands thing that won the war.
1171971;1434957387;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 04:40:08; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ?
1171972;1434957401;mircea_popescu;what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
1171973;1434957410;pete_dushenski;and rakes iirc
1171974;1434957426;pete_dushenski;not *in* rakes, with.
1171975;1434957447;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171747 << ask any of the women that either travel to zululand to be raped or out of there for lack of enthusiasm for the activity.
1171976;1434957447;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 04:41:08; asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu)
1171977;1434957454;mircea_popescu;last i know nobody visits london for they currently alive there.
1171978;1434957460;*;pete_dushenski doesn't know why 'borrowed pants' is such a funny visual image.
1171979;1434957468;mircea_popescu;it is, isn't it ? :D
1171980;1434957483;pete_dushenski;lol yup !
1171981;1434957546;pete_dushenski;speaking of nothing, i've already dodged two of the four 'wedding bullets' between c4 and i. two scheduled for september already.
1171982;1434957563;mircea_popescu;now make them name the kids "Seven"
1171983;1434957613;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171774 << linux has no money.
1171984;1434957613;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 04:48:44; asciilifeform: by same argument, e.g., linux, has been running a far bigger 'deficit,' longer
1171985;1434957629;mircea_popescu;now that we're here, the argument can be brought. before, no.
1171986;1434957945;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171800 << wait, you're actually discovering anything in the irc ?
1171987;1434957945;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 04:58:26; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mine connect 100%
1171988;1434958067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00040336 = 17.3848 BTC [-]
1171989;1434958072;pete_dushenski;early morning ahead. bon soir !
1171990;1434958073;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171822 << mno. "that is, that once one agrees with the braindamaged pretense that 'end to violence', he is forced to hypocritically reintroduce violence in a very complex form, which reduces to the bezzle, or in carlin's words, 'everyone's quest to stick it to the other guy faster and deeper'. and so he accepts your 50x inflated carrots because he wants to sell you 67x in
1171991;1434958073;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 05:08:06; asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc
1171992;1434958074;mircea_popescu;flated carrot cake.
1171993;1434958089;mircea_popescu;naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
1171994;1434958116;mircea_popescu;he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
1171995;1434958126;mircea_popescu;it is neither. it is the unseemly result of delusion shared by idiots.
1171996;1434958199;mircea_popescu;you have no business sitting at the poker table unless you intend to bluff, and you have no business living in norway unless you have a clear scam to apply to the government in mind.
1171997;1434958248;mircea_popescu;otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
1171998;1434959573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "After Chorazycki's death our plan had to be postponed for several months because we had no qualified leader, and none of us wanted to take moral responsibility for an unsuccessful coup." << ye see ? what more dja want ?
1171999;1434959591;punkman;http://41.media.tumblr.com/48fe4c7b83b758bc5bac11656cde4929/tumblr_n89sgpySrZ1rphtnfo1_500.jpg
1172000;1434959592;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1THdzjM )
1172001;1434959603;mircea_popescu;these abject nobodies, everything they thought they knew having not merely failed, but having been well proven to have failed beyond the shadowest shadow of a doubt,
1172002;1434959639;mircea_popescu;still exhibit vanity, in a laughable degree hard to put into words. worms, whose lives consist of being generally too low to piss on, think of their "moral responsibility".
1172003;1434959649;mircea_popescu;what more's needed ? broken in the fucking head, these people.
1172004;1434959675;mircea_popescu;what moral responsibility ? to whom, to what ?
1172005;1434959747;mircea_popescu;punkman i never saw that one.
1172006;1434959872;punkman;that cover is probably the best thing about it
1172007;1434960151;punkman;https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo08.pdf
1172008;1434960487;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171933 <<< mebe cache issue, who knows
1172009;1434960487;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 06:43:53; pete_dushenski: cazalla: your most recent contravex comment did auto-approve. not sure why it might've appeared otherwise on your end.
1172010;1434962703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42099 @ 0.00038916 = 16.3832 BTC [-] {2} 
1172011;1434964113;cazalla;looks like sexy saffron is doing ok for herself http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3amz0w/iama_pornographer_who_just_hit_10_million_views/
1172012;1434964116;assbot;Iama Pornographer who just hit 10 MILLION views on Pornhub! :) : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5p7be )
1172013;1434964277;mircea_popescu;wonder how much 10mn views is actually worth
1172014;1434964280;mircea_popescu;i suspect under 1k.
1172015;1434964398;cazalla;well she claims she and her partner are making more doing porn than their old jobs
1172016;1434964486;punkman;"If you record yourselves getting sexy whilst watching a video of  yourselves getting it on while you are also watching a video of  yourselves getting jiggy, then you can call it Cum-ception for the slam  dunk of porn pun movies."
1172017;1434964503;cazalla;i imagine the tube sites are just a means to funnel people to their pay sites but 10 million views sounds better to the reddit crowd
1172018;1434964624;punkman;$500 if 5 cents per 1k views, and that's probably high for porn traffic
1172019;1434964634;punkman;maybe their paid stuff converts well though
1172020;1434964716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28125 @ 0.00039712 = 11.169 BTC [+]
1172021;1434964908;cazalla;to think indiancandy could've accumulated a similar amount of views if she only didn't piss around paying people to promote her instagram and got her clothes off willingly
1172022;1434965151;mircea_popescu;i recall paying 5cents per 1k. in 1998.
1172023;1434965175;mircea_popescu;shitty tube traffic ? i dunno that you could sell it at any price, a decade ago.
1172024;1434965199;mircea_popescu;cazalla saffron does have enthusiasm going for her, im sure she's doing ok.
1172025;1434965233;mircea_popescu;and i believe she;s making better money off sexual enthusiasm than off whatever pink collar career. but NOT because 10 trillion clicks.
1172026;1434965438;cazalla;meh i won't begrudge her for 10m  views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
1172027;1434965753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00040336 = 11.6168 BTC [+]
1172028;1434966119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00040206 = 3.4175 BTC [-]
1172029;1434968864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21875 @ 0.00040206 = 8.7951 BTC [-]
1172030;1434969352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 180 @ 0.00629999 = 1.134 BTC [+]
1172031;1434970643;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_%28police_procedure%29
1172032;1434970643;assbot;Mr. Big (police procedure) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuJBVY )
1172033;1434970670;shinohai;With Bonus Pearl Necklace: https://i.imgur.com/aUKpuPu.jpg
1172034;1434970670;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuJE4c )
1172035;1434970938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61247 @ 0.00038099 = 23.3345 BTC [-]
1172036;1434972036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124096 @ 0.00038045 = 47.2123 BTC [-] {5} 
1172037;1434972768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18377 @ 0.0003837 = 7.0513 BTC [+]
1172038;1434973378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78075 @ 0.00037954 = 29.6326 BTC [-]
1172039;1434975513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44598 @ 0.0003837 = 17.1123 BTC [+]
1172040;1434975757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00040445 = 13.8726 BTC [+]
1172041;1434977831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00040509 = 9.5196 BTC [+]
1172042;1434979856;ben_vulpes;grexit?
1172043;1434979880;punkman;not yet
1172044;1434979892;mats;nine more days
1172045;1434979914;punkman;it's been nine more days for years
1172046;1434980015;mats;b-but, this time...
1172047;1434980047;mats;http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html << TIL
1172048;1434980049;assbot;Greek Debt Crisis: How Goldman Sachs Helped Greece to Mask its True Debt - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpgucI )
1172049;1434980193;punkman;http://a-cha.ru/
1172050;1434980195;assbot;Бренд одежды �нна Чапман | Жен�ка� одежда ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rph4aE )
1172051;1434980627;punkman;"Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a  software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of  planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often  hold off on updates rather than risk complications"
1172052;1434980871;ben_vulpes;http://www.farmhack.org
1172053;1434980872;assbot;Farm Hack ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpjvd2 )
1172054;1434980942;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: might be familiar with http://opensourcemachine.org/mm2html2/How_to_build_a_multimachine.html
1172055;1434980943;assbot;How_to_build_a_multimachine ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpjJRq )
1172056;1434981113;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mega-l0l
1172057;1434981215;ben_vulpes;"jungle conditions"
1172058;1434981222;ben_vulpes;plus huge existing infrastructure.
1172059;1434981226;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: does your node hang after 'IRC got who' ?
1172060;1434981235;asciilifeform;because mine *NOW DOES*
1172061;1434981237;ben_vulpes;hey have you successfully procured a peer from irc?
1172062;1434981244;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al ^
1172063;1434981249;ben_vulpes;myup.
1172064;1434981258;ben_vulpes;nobody in those channels.
1172065;1434981262;asciilifeform;this worked earlier
1172066;1434981296;ben_vulpes;of course
1172067;1434981308;asciilifeform;i mean, as late as 3 days ago..
1172068;1434981317;ben_vulpes;if you've not blown away addr.dat, yours should still work
1172069;1434981330;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i blew it away just this minute specifically to test.
1172070;1434981334;ben_vulpes;(remind me again why all these bdb files are necessary?)
1172071;1434981347;asciilifeform;anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
1172072;1434981419;ben_vulpes;not it.
1172073;1434981477;asciilifeform;it does appear to follow from this discovery that: the other side is paying attention...
1172074;1434981513;asciilifeform;and that we need 1) own seeds 2) optionally, irc box 3) organized hunt for ungavinized seeds from planet as a whole, to seed (1) nodes with
1172075;1434981555;ben_vulpes;how can one identify an ungavinized node?
1172076;1434981571;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: only approximately, by claimed version
1172077;1434981718;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171876 << the 'address space randomization' thing is precisely 'teacher's condom' (as depicted in comic, https://xkcd.com/463 )
1172078;1434981718;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 06:05:32; mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your a
1172079;1434981719;assbot;xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8OSt9 )
1172080;1434981722;ben_vulpes;could also do something wacky with usernames iin irc
1172081;1434981788;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it appears to be (now) empty.
1172082;1434981822;ben_vulpes;it'd be trivial to fill it back up.
1172083;1434981838;ben_vulpes;proxy from the network proper into irc.
1172084;1434981861;asciilifeform;fill up ~our~ (not yet built) box, not random schmuck's
1172085;1434981929;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
1172086;1434981929;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:41; mircea_popescu: what supply lines, are you fucking kidding me ? the orcs fought the war in borrowed pants.
1172087;1434981979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00040611 = 31.8187 BTC [+] {3} 
1172088;1434981990;asciilifeform;yes, it was necessary. to buy time for the conveyors to start up.
1172089;1434982040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4320 @ 0.0004082 = 1.7634 BTC [+]
1172090;1434982064;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171973 << pete_dushenski may be a little mislead by http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg
1172091;1434982064;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 07:16:50; pete_dushenski: and rakes iirc
1172092;1434982065;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpnWEU )
1172093;1434982201;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171993 << well yes, the 'expense of civilized life' ~is~ 'treadmill'
1172094;1434982201;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:09; mircea_popescu: naggum could not keep up WITH THIS. with the threadmill of sublimated violence that is the bezzle.
1172095;1434982238;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
1172096;1434982238;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:36; mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
1172097;1434982264;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
1172098;1434982264;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 07:30:48; mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
1172099;1434982296;asciilifeform;if someone would like to take a break from voodoo and put on engineer hat, i'd like to hear concrete notion of what naggum 'should have' done
1172100;1434982328;asciilifeform;as it was, he was not interested in going to africa to be arseraped. instead, 'drowned like a gentleman'
1172101;1434982343;mats;enlisted in a bezzlatron until pile of 'fuck you money'?
1172102;1434982364;asciilifeform;mats: he did this. and was dekulakized
1172103;1434982373;asciilifeform;because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?
1172104;1434982375;mats;was not a good little soldier, i take it.
1172105;1434982411;asciilifeform;that pile is not yours by virtue of having your name on it. it belongs to apex predator
1172106;1434982431;asciilifeform;which in naggum's case was oslo regime
1172107;1434982431;mats;sure. thats why you eat his heart.
1172108;1434982439;asciilifeform;go, eat. it's still there.
1172109;1434982463;mats;i vaguely recall Naggum swimming in SF bay... there is more than one bezzlatron to be had
1172110;1434982496;asciilifeform;mats: notice that he did not stay there. and, though all i have to work with is his writings, i believe i've a good handle on ~why~
1172111;1434982558;asciilifeform;my understanding is that he didn't want to work with the profoundly retarded on retarded things
1172112;1434982594;mats;he didn't want to live badly enough, then.
1172113;1434982599;asciilifeform;and did not care for the blunt knives mandatorily issued to tards
1172114;1434982642;asciilifeform;mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
1172115;1434982660;asciilifeform;the basic question from the thread was, i think, the ~why~ of why he did not want.
1172116;1434982692;mats;man had some profound sense that he was not a slave like the rest of us
1172117;1434982697;mats;could not bear it. died.
1172118;1434982865;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20150209100751/http://open.salon.com/blog/kent_pitman/2010/01/08/erik_naggum_on_atlas_shrugged << material which sheds some light on 'naggum in usa'
1172119;1434982867;assbot;      Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon      ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rpr5EE )
1172120;1434983016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15361 @ 0.00040445 = 6.2128 BTC [-]
1172121;1434983241;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << re: the particular kind of intellectual rape that naggum had his fill of, before deciding that he'd like to put an ocean between himself and 'silicon valley'
1172122;1434983242;assbot;Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Sifb )
1172123;1434983609;asciilifeform;i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'
1172124;1434983623;asciilifeform;just as i don't care for it.
1172125;1434983636;asciilifeform;or i'd be in that dumpster even now
1172126;1434983661;mats;on the other hand, i'm mentally preparing myself for a dive into the dumpster in a few short years
1172127;1434983666;asciilifeform;(saw not a few pretty eligible dumpsters in buenos aires)
1172128;1434984062;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you as a hobo?!? this i could never picture.
1172129;1434984071;asciilifeform;http://cdn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/101561/27/1015612776.jpg << another 'choice' naggum didn't much care for
1172130;1434984072;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8UjYW )
1172131;1434984107;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: to paraphrase herr trotsky on war, 'you may not be interested in life as a hobo, but life as a hobo is interested in you'
1172132;1434984177;thestringpuller;hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
1172133;1434984248;asciilifeform;jungle, islands are waiting for thestringpuller.
1172134;1434984419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29272 @ 0.00038885 = 11.3824 BTC [-] {3} 
1172135;1434986676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0004082 = 9.307 BTC [+]
1172136;1434986763;williamdunne;Lol rekt
1172137;1434986764;williamdunne;http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8478-transphobic-admin-should-be-removed-from-website/#entry209291
1172138;1434986766;assbot;Transphobic admin should be removed from website - Their posting careers! - My Posting Career ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGYUzo )
1172139;1434986798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43693 @ 0.00040251 = 17.5869 BTC [-]
1172140;1434987164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124950 @ 0.00040969 = 51.1908 BTC [+] {6} 
1172141;1434987173;williamdunne;Do we have a whaleclub here?
1172142;1434987246;williamdunne;WhaleClub PM me
1172143;1434987508;mats;?
1172144;1434987546;williamdunne;Someone else trying to join #b-a, me and DPB were walking them through it
1172145;1434987954;williamdunne;!up Drhelmut
1172146;1434987961;williamdunne;Hello Drhelmut
1172147;1434987965;williamdunne;!getrating Drhelmut
1172148;1434987973;williamdunne;!gettrust Drhelmut
1172149;1434987973;assbot;Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Drhelmut: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Drhelmut | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Drhelmut/
1172150;1434987993;williamdunne;!rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS
1172151;1434987993;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f0f06aaa1fff124d
1172152;1434988015;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Drhelmut.1:7824382e16d8b0c5914689b09080ccfaf283ee00501b1b159679e7f76bdf2979
1172153;1434988016;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: WhaleClub TS
1172154;1434988076;Drhelmut;Hellow
1172155;1434988106;Drhelmut;Thank you William.
1172156;1434988131;williamdunne;V.welcome, so outside of TS what are you?
1172157;1434988164;Drhelmut;a french bitcoiner
1172158;1434988193;Drhelmut;former minecraft server owner, sold months ago and going to do bitcoin services in france
1172159;1434988234;Drhelmut;I made some studies in law too
1172160;1434988330;mats;lopl teamspeak
1172161;1434988346;mats;what do you talk about
1172162;1434988384;Drhelmut;?
1172163;1434988439;mats;what sorts of things are discussed in this 'whaleclub ts' thing
1172164;1434988445;Drhelmut;lots of
1172165;1434988454;Drhelmut;basically trading
1172166;1434988462;Drhelmut;and lots of stuff around bitcoin
1172167;1434988477;ben_vulpes;whaleclub?
1172168;1434988479;mats;ok
1172169;1434988481;Drhelmut;yep
1172170;1434988495;ben_vulpes;bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
1172171;1434988499;Drhelmut;I'm the host of the whaleclub teamspeak
1172172;1434988536;mats;to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
1172173;1434988557;Drhelmut;lol, have you already been there?
1172174;1434988588;mats;i have not read good things about it from asseteers
1172175;1434988632;Drhelmut;how surprisin'
1172176;1434988653;mats;didn't intend to be rude, carry on
1172177;1434988677;Drhelmut;well, in fact I don't care that much
1172178;1434988697;Drhelmut;all exchanges are taking it seriously
1172179;1434988734;Drhelmut;we already got lot of important people on it
1172180;1434988764;Drhelmut;lot of people just hating the name, not the place
1172181;1434988951;chetty;teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
1172182;1434988972;williamdunne;For what its worth, I enjoyed the teamspeak
1172183;1434988977;ben_vulpes;important people, eh? like whom?
1172184;1434988990;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: dat mpcdot
1172185;1434989015;Drhelmut;Shrem, Jessy from kraken
1172186;1434989019;Drhelmut;nejc from stamp
1172187;1434989042;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: the mpcdot is hilarious
1172188;1434989045;chetty;sure sounds like it would annoying, and no way to go read logs at your leisure
1172189;1434989073;Drhelmut;we're just offering the place for people to discuss
1172190;1434989074;ben_vulpes;the guy who rolled over for the feds and the feds pet exchangemaker they couldn't even pay?
1172191;1434989078;Drhelmut;it's public eh
1172192;1434989094;ben_vulpes;moreover, how do i know it's actually either of the entities in question and not impersonators?
1172193;1434989106;Drhelmut;:D
1172194;1434989115;Drhelmut;we don't need it
1172195;1434989136;Drhelmut;If you just don't believe it, don't come, we don't need it.
1172196;1434989154;ben_vulpes;i live and die by asynchronous comms, so i'll not be there.
1172197;1434989182;ben_vulpes;the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
1172198;1434989199;Drhelmut;we have our own verifiying system
1172199;1434989214;ben_vulpes;go on...
1172200;1434989216;Drhelmut;but that's a good idea, I'll try to see if we can link Wot with TS
1172201;1434989224;ben_vulpes;is it...8 characters of mixed casing?
1172202;1434989277;Drhelmut;you can watch some vix work https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq80JcdkGyF4k6YLxttQYKw
1172203;1434989278;assbot;  BTCVIX VIX - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J01u3e )
1172204;1434989289;Drhelmut;Vix is an admin
1172205;1434989345;Drhelmut;Just remind, we have nothing to sell so why lying about that?
1172206;1434989349;Drhelmut;I don't get it.
1172207;1434989383;ben_vulpes;your english is a bit lacking.
1172208;1434989389;Drhelmut;I know
1172209;1434989394;Drhelmut;sorry for that
1172210;1434989423;ben_vulpes;you seem to be attempting to purchase some attention. nobody here is selling.
1172211;1434989484;Drhelmut;I'm not purchasing anything, I just answer to your doubts and questions
1172212;1434989512;ben_vulpes;what does herr kraken think about the blocksize change?
1172213;1434989514;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Its more of a friendly place to discuss trading, as opposed to a place for actual business to occur
1172214;1434989540;williamdunne;Not that there is anything wrong with either model, its just what they are
1172215;1434989596;Naphex;Drhelmut: do you have ads on whaleclub ?;]
1172216;1434989606;Drhelmut;nop
1172217;1434989670;williamdunne;Outside of it being a good place to speak to potential customers if you're an exchange
1172218;1434989674;williamdunne;Not that you're charged for that
1172219;1434989717;ben_vulpes;man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...
1172220;1434989768;williamdunne;Teamspeak isn't for one-on-one communication and some of the traders there are high volume
1172221;1434989781;williamdunne;Its more of a shotgun type thing
1172222;1434989793;williamdunne;!up Drhelmut
1172223;1434989835;Drhelmut;and you don't need to be voiced each 30 min :D
1172224;1434989841;Drhelmut;that's borring from here
1172225;1434989862;fluffypony;the real downside to this Teamspeak stuff is the inability to search historical data
1172226;1434989863;punkman;"discuss trading" << I don't get why this would be desirable, beyond telling each other "o hey buttstamp book crossed again"
1172227;1434989878;fluffypony;Drhelmut: I don't have to be voiced every 30 minutes
1172228;1434989908;Drhelmut;yeah but as a newcomer I have to.
1172229;1434989911;williamdunne;Drhelmut: You only need to be voiced every 30 minutes if you're not in Assbot's L"
1172230;1434989913;williamdunne;*L2
1172231;1434989919;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172185 < lol yeah they are about the same... btw charlie has net in jail??
1172232;1434989919;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 16:03:35; Drhelmut: Shrem, Jessy from kraken
1172233;1434989925;williamdunne;!gettrust assbot williamdunne
1172234;1434989926;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=williamdunne | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
1172235;1434989963;Drhelmut;shrem was here before going to jail
1172236;1434989986;kakobrekla;soliciting for a biz that went to shit a week later
1172237;1434989995;Drhelmut;was just chillin'
1172238;1434990042;Naphex;Still looking to place ad spots for xotika.tv , if you're intersted privmsg
1172239;1434990067;kakobrekla;bitbet has infinite amount of banner slots!
1172240;1434990078;Drhelmut;we also had some 21 insider info https://soundcloud.com/elux-1/21-inc-embedded-engineer-on-whaleclub-teamspeak
1172241;1434990079;assbot;21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )
1172242;1434990090;Drhelmut;was on the reddit hotpage when it was out
1172243;1434990103;williamdunne;Naphex: Bulk cheap advertising on porn-tube sites?
1172244;1434990113;williamdunne;Eugh, guess bitcoin might be too much of a niche
1172245;1434990115;Naphex;not yet, more like bitcoin targeted
1172246;1434990120;williamdunne;Yeah I guess
1172247;1434990133;williamdunne;What are your fees to the models?
1172248;1434990146;williamdunne;Well, commission I guess is more accurate
1172249;1434990164;kakobrekla;plan on gettin nekkid?
1172250;1434990183;williamdunne;But why male models?
1172251;1434990193;kakobrekla;whale models?
1172252;1434990202;*;williamdunne is not actually overweight 
1172253;1434990210;kakobrekla;as the ts guise
1172254;1434990212;kakobrekla;ask
1172255;1434990235;williamdunne;For the right price, yeah I'd get nekkid on camera
1172256;1434990239;williamdunne;Everyone has their price
1172257;1434990274;Drhelmut;?
1172258;1434990291;williamdunne;Drhelmut: Naphex launched a live cam porn site Xotika.tv, hence our discussion
1172259;1434990304;Drhelmut;uh. cool.
1172260;1434990307;kakobrekla;Drhelmut williamdunne is looking for a new job
1172261;1434990317;Drhelmut;^^
1172262;1434990320;Naphex;:))
1172263;1434990323;Drhelmut;g2g
1172264;1434990332;Drhelmut;Whaleclub isn't bad m'kay
1172265;1434990344;williamdunne;Aha
1172266;1434990347;williamdunne;Seeya
1172267;1434990358;kakobrekla;im sure its amazing
1172268;1434990358;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1172269;1434990485;williamdunne;http://dpaste.com/1NV1712
1172270;1434990486;assbot;dpaste: 1NV1712: http://facebook.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpBJg6 )
1172271;1434990497;williamdunne;Ah, doesn't work
1172272;1434990513;kakobrekla;what are you trying to do?
1172273;1434990532;punkman;http://www.onguardonline.gov/blog/paying-bitcoins
1172274;1434990533;assbot;Before paying with bitcoins… | OnGuard Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpBOjH )
1172275;1434990724;williamdunne;I was seeing if assbot would then grab the title for facebook.com
1172276;1434990729;williamdunne;If it did you could create a loop
1172277;1434990766;assbot; im silly, but not that silly.
1172278;1434990824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107120 @ 0.00041582 = 44.5426 BTC [+] {2} 
1172279;1434990857;williamdunne;Ahaha
1172280;1434990885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88680 @ 0.00042064 = 37.3024 BTC [+] {4} 
1172281;1434990893;williamdunne;Woah
1172282;1434990897;williamdunne;That MPEX price
1172283;1434990903;williamdunne;What happened while I was away?!
1172284;1434991348;punkman;;;ticker
1172285;1434991349;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.25, Best ask: 246.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 246.3, 24 hour volume: 19300.03816571, 24 hour low: 241.09, 24 hour high: 247.94, 24 hour vwap: None
1172286;1434991373;ben_vulpes;!up JorgePasada
1172287;1434991393;JorgePasada;:-)
1172288;1434991394;ben_vulpes;hey buddy
1172289;1434991399;JorgePasada;Hey man, how goes?
1172290;1434991687;ben_vulpes;it's live
1172291;1434991689;ben_vulpes;life*&
1172292;1434991696;ben_vulpes;arbeit macht frei
1172293;1434991982;jurov;how i misread the log: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee with cadavers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
1172294;1434992349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35088 @ 0.00040589 = 14.2419 BTC [-]
1172295;1434992399;punkman;http://www.megaprocessor.com/index.html
1172296;1434992400;assbot;HomePage ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9f1rG )
1172297;1434992440;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1172298;1434992458;ascii_field;punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
1172299;1434992526;ascii_field;williamdunne: rss plz ?
1172300;1434992648;williamdunne;ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
1172301;1434992724;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172197 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 << giga-l0l!
1172302;1434992724;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:22; ben_vulpes: the wot lives and dies by identity, so you'll not have one of those either.
1172303;1434992724;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
1172304;1434992867;ben_vulpes;tera
1172305;1434993013;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place
1172306;1434993013;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 06:13:01; mircea_popescu: also http://www.neowin.net/news/munich-germany-realizes-that-deploying-linux-was-a-disaster-going-back-to-windows lol
1172307;1434993064;ascii_field;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/npdXfo5.gifv
1172308;1434993065;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0dulh )
1172309;1434993136;punkman;ascii_field: what kind of machine is he operating
1172310;1434993144;ascii_field;possibly a slot bandit
1172311;1434993374;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or 0.0.0.0 and it's widely accepted
1172312;1434993374;assbot;Logged on 21-06-2015 03:27:06; mod6: who knows why satoshi put that in there.  i kinda find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have understood IP headers.  perhaps he was trying to ensure that every connecting node was indeed a real host, not some spoofed packet magic.
1172313;1434993391;ben_vulpes;shitting in the corner?
1172314;1434993479;ben_vulpes;jurov: so nodes on the other end of the connection don't actually use the IP sent in the message protocol?
1172315;1434993508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00038591 = 34.0566 BTC [-] {2} 
1172316;1434993537;kakobrekla;!up Drhelmut
1172317;1434993546;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 < wait how does this actually work?
1172318;1434993546;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 16:06:39; Drhelmut: we have our own verifiying system
1172319;1434993569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00037965 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {2} 
1172320;1434993977;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172241 << wtf, audio ?!!!
1172321;1434993977;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 16:21:19; assbot: 21 Inc Embedded Engineer On Whaleclub Teamspeak by elux | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1J03IzD )
1172322;1434994032;punkman;writing, ain't nobody got time for that
1172323;1434994060;kakobrekla;or reading
1172324;1434994085;trinque;thought whaleclub might be fatties
1172325;1434994089;trinque;my mistake
1172326;1434994244;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/pdf-suspicious.htm << lulzies
1172327;1434994248;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6HWM0 )
1172328;1434994355;jurov;ben_vulpes they may use getpeerinfo(sock) instead
1172329;1434994475;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/protocol.cpp#0203 << looks like it's checked against this and used if passes, otherwise ignored
1172330;1434994476;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/protocol.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0iypC )
1172331;1434994545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35278 @ 0.00037954 = 13.3894 BTC [-]
1172332;1434994654;williamdunne;kakobrekla: It's a very informal system they have
1172333;1434995456;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1172334;1434995460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34933 @ 0.00037938 = 13.2529 BTC [-] {2} 
1172335;1434995476;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172311 << depends what you mean by 'accepted.' it, as i understand, breaks seeding.
1172336;1434995476;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 17:16:14; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170728 << i have found out that most implementations just send localhost or 0.0.0.0 and it's widely accepted
1172337;1434995495;ascii_field;(as in, you get to keep your connection, sure, but you don't get advertised as a seed)
1172338;1434995707;jurov;guess they don't care about that
1172339;1434996070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.000412 = 18.7048 BTC [+] {2} 
1172340;1434996238;ascii_field;in other news, re: old thread ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162224 ) i found an eeprom burner with acceptable (reverse-engineered) linux support: 'minipro' by autoelectric corp. (cn)
1172341;1434996238;assbot;Logged on 12-06-2015 19:47:39; ascii_field: in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.
1172342;1434997351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00042028 = 2.4565 BTC [+]
1172343;1434998144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67644 @ 0.00042028 = 28.4294 BTC [+]
1172344;1434998255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172026 << that's fo sho.
1172345;1434998255;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 09:30:38; cazalla: meh i won't begrudge her for 10m  views, prob far more than some mainstream pros get these days
1172346;1434998288;mircea_popescu;mostly on account of their "pros" consisting of NOT being sexually enthusiastic, and imagining that they can substitute self importance for it.
1172347;1434998833;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1172348;1434998852;ascii_field;in other 'news', it's been what, ~7 years, and libpng thing is ~still~ biting
1172349;1434998867;ascii_field;~someone~ was responsible for that.
1172350;1434998950;mircea_popescu;heh
1172351;1434999583;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172033 << she's as ugly as a pack of stray dogs.
1172352;1434999583;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 10:57:50; shinohai: With Bonus Pearl Necklace: https://i.imgur.com/aUKpuPu.jpg
1172353;1434999657;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172065 << when ? got any logs of anything ?
1172354;1434999657;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 13:54:22; asciilifeform: this worked earlier
1172355;1434999662;mircea_popescu;they seem utterly dead.
1172356;1434999689;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172071 << perpetually.
1172357;1434999689;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
1172358;1434999722;mircea_popescu;2) optionally, irc box << i don't see that we need it. irc is dead, it was stupid to begin with, time to put it to sleep.
1172359;1434999733;ascii_field;it was begging for bullet for years
1172360;1434999754;mircea_popescu;(peer over irc acquisition never worked worth a shit - the reason it was moved off freenode for instance is that it needed a special ircd to have even a vague chance)
1172361;1434999770;ascii_field;what's special in that one
1172362;1434999774;mircea_popescu;but i am very much perturbed by your proposition that it worked until recently. to what degree worked ?
1172363;1434999775;ascii_field;i'm not seeing any oddities
1172364;1434999781;mircea_popescu;can you say, count all the peers you ever got off irc ?
1172365;1434999782;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i got peers from it
1172366;1434999801;ascii_field;ever since i've snipped out the gavindns seeds & the hardcoded seeds from my own tree
1172367;1434999812;mircea_popescu;did you actually do a full sync that was throughout dependent on irc as sole primary peer source ?
1172368;1434999842;ascii_field;one full sync and several partial (into the high 200k's)
1172369;1434999861;mircea_popescu;ascii_field iirc the problem was something about how /who flooded the client. so they made a limit so it only shows 100 entries
1172370;1434999867;ascii_field;(terminated through no fault of their own, simply because wanted to start from scratch when testing patches)
1172371;1434999868;mircea_popescu;but then botched it and it always showed the same 100
1172372;1434999875;mircea_popescu;which then flooded the clients in question so they stopped working
1172373;1434999883;ascii_field;l0l!
1172374;1434999886;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1172375;1434999892;ascii_field;this almost certainly stopped being a problem ages ago
1172376;1434999896;ascii_field;as the thing (mostly) died
1172377;1434999899;mircea_popescu;aha.
1172378;1434999901;mircea_popescu;still, special.
1172379;1434999946;ascii_field;so irc on butcher block?
1172380;1434999950;mircea_popescu;can you discern from whence you sit if the following is a possible explanation : you got now and again (rarely) a peer, which gave you its lists of peers, which is how you actually synced.
1172381;1434999955;mircea_popescu;irc on butcher block.
1172382;1434999964;ascii_field;well of course that's how i synced
1172383;1434999980;*;ascii_field whets knife
1172384;1434999986;mircea_popescu;so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes.
1172385;1434999998;ascii_field;quite possibly.
1172386;1435000027;ascii_field;i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
1172387;1435000036;mircea_popescu;aye.
1172388;1435000038;ascii_field;which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
1172389;1435000085;mircea_popescu;i will provide no less than three, on physically separate machines, provided this can actually be made to work. which depends on excellent documentation.
1172390;1435000105;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: do you presently have a system where the thing builds ?
1172391;1435000141;mircea_popescu;i've not presently seen a package.
1172392;1435000147;mircea_popescu;the targed is something like what was done for eulora.
1172393;1435000154;mircea_popescu;ie, http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora
1172394;1435000156;assbot;Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwJBct )
1172395;1435000198;mircea_popescu;but! if you're willing to go into the grease, s.nsa server can be the first of those three.
1172396;1435000265;ascii_field;probably ought to be.
1172397;1435000287;mircea_popescu;well if you get it to run, identical instances can be spun up, so. there is that.
1172398;1435000324;ascii_field;will build it there as soon as the last round of amputation, referenced earlier, is complete
1172399;1435000341;ascii_field;and the result posted to ml
1172400;1435000348;mircea_popescu;alrightythen
1172401;1435000523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00042231 = 4.9833 BTC [+]
1172402;1435000632;mircea_popescu;aannnd speaking of eulora, http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/foxystore.html lol
1172403;1435000633;assbot;Foxy's Useful Items ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwL3f8 )
1172404;1435000743;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172085 <<< i was discussing the 38-43ish period.
1172405;1435000743;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 14:05:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171972 << i find it smashingly hilarious that everyone today seems to still be buying that particular bit of wartime engineered psychosis. the 'fighting without pants, one rifle for three men' thing 100% lines up with the '41-'42 period when su was having the shit kicked out of it.
1172406;1435000761;mircea_popescu;yes, by 44 they were doing okay, as far as everyone in europe was doing ok after five years of war.
1172407;1435000783;mircea_popescu;and yes by 1955ish they were almost on par with the post-war us, on accounts of not being saddled with the baby bloomers.
1172408;1435000801;mircea_popescu;but a) it all lasted as long as the sputnik and b) i forget what i wanted to be b.
1172409;1435000918;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172095 << was he ever part of a "criminal gang" running guns in ehtiopia ? ever a terrorist in kabul ?
1172410;1435000918;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 14:10:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171994 << but how, precisely, was herr naggum to get out of it? recall, he did not spend whole life in one country - was in usa for most of the upper '90s
1172411;1435000939;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1172412;1435000941;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172097 << on this matter there can scarcely be any debate.
1172413;1435000941;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 14:11:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171997 << it is my considered view that naggum got out of the game the only way he knew how...
1172414;1435000949;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he was not ever, afaik, a puffer fish, either
1172415;1435000959;mircea_popescu;to his detriment.
1172416;1435000967;*;ascii_field applies for puffer fish detail
1172417;1435000983;mircea_popescu;specialisation is not the unilaterally superlative good it is presented as.
1172418;1435000996;mircea_popescu;specialisation is, much akin to geting used to narrow spaces, a necessary evil.
1172419;1435001004;mircea_popescu;not more necessary than the goods it actually provides are.
1172420;1435001008;ascii_field;no shit
1172421;1435001011;mircea_popescu;in current environs, not necessary at all.
1172422;1435001086;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172103 << ehehe. eternal mechanism. "here, have a lot of money, think it's yours so you offload your mental balance, but let it be still ours so we offload ours!"
1172423;1435001086;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 14:12:53; asciilifeform: because why should some schmuck get to keep his pile ?
1172424;1435001090;mircea_popescu;bezzle at the core.
1172425;1435001107;mircea_popescu;adults do this sometimes with children, pretend-give them things to motivate them "for their own good".
1172426;1435001114;ascii_field;and on top of this, my understanding is that herr naggum was considerably 'more pashtun' than i
1172427;1435001148;mircea_popescu;doubt the comparison "more pashtun than x" can be declared in scopes where nobody's killed anyone for honor.,
1172428;1435001160;ascii_field;sure it can
1172429;1435001161;mircea_popescu;in any case the actual pashtuns might be nonplussed by the proposition.
1172430;1435001167;ascii_field;doubtless
1172431;1435001199;ascii_field;meant shorthand as 'less of a doomed child of specialization and overcivilization in general'
1172432;1435001203;mircea_popescu;is he more convergent than you, also ? can you apply CBS to your own monotony "to some degree" ?
1172433;1435001213;ascii_field;l0l
1172434;1435001217;mircea_popescu;im not sure that less exists.
1172435;1435001299;mircea_popescu;anyway, to formalize a positive form for this, not merely the negative :
1172436;1435001348;mircea_popescu;i propose to you that a team of two people selected from five that are only informed in general computer sanity can produce in the same time better software than the sum of all five, each schooled in one specialisation : sysadmin, webdev, db management, ux and marketing.
1172437;1435001364;mircea_popescu;yes, this means that three people out of five would starve. guess what ? four of five starve now.
1172438;1435001429;ascii_field;then i ask mircea_popescu, as best proof of this conjecture, to supply two people who know arse from elbow re: therealbitcoin from this pool
1172439;1435001430;mircea_popescu;nonspecialisation would be strictly a better outcome. the only problem with it is that it relies on falsifying the "we are all human" dogma.
1172440;1435001436;mircea_popescu;clearly only two out of the five are human.
1172441;1435001446;mircea_popescu;haha.
1172442;1435001454;mircea_popescu;no, the two would pointedly NOT know it.
1172443;1435001461;ascii_field;not specifically
1172444;1435001471;ascii_field;but, say, able to tell arse from elbow after, say, a month or two
1172445;1435001491;mircea_popescu;eh get out. mod6 and jurov. what now ?
1172446;1435001495;mircea_popescu;and i can keep picking pairs.
1172447;1435001499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32947 @ 0.00042231 = 13.9138 BTC [+]
1172448;1435001508;ascii_field;and these are supposed to be folks with 'only general sense of sanity' ?
1172449;1435001521;ascii_field;iirc both have programmed for money their whole lives
1172450;1435001541;mircea_popescu;i dunno... iirc mod6 couldn't get the laptop to open last i saw him :D
1172451;1435001560;mircea_popescu;something about the lock not being bsd or what was it
1172452;1435001580;ascii_field;likewise, when mircea_popescu has occasion to visit a doctor, does he visit an 'obsolete' specialist, or just some fella who had a 'general sense of sanity' and decided, on a weekend lark, to open an anatomy book for an hour or two ?
1172453;1435001599;mircea_popescu;last time i visited a doctor, it was doctor levy
1172454;1435001619;mircea_popescu;i was about six, and my parents somehow had found an old jew - complete with chained pocketwatch - to be my personal physician
1172455;1435001641;mircea_popescu;he was very much what i describe (not really what you charicaturize, obviously)
1172456;1435001654;ascii_field;lucky then, that mircea_popescu did not need a doctor.
1172457;1435001663;mircea_popescu;lucky indeed.
1172458;1435001677;mircea_popescu;but i have some, however marginal, hope - that by the time i actually do, one might actually exist.
1172459;1435001694;mircea_popescu;for otherwise, as the romanian expression goes, "nu ma prea vad in clar"
1172460;1435001699;ascii_field;!b 9
1172461;1435001700;assbot;Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TR4CZQ.txt )
1172462;1435001778;ascii_field;mircea_popescu might be a fan of the famous heinlein quote re: specialization ?
1172463;1435001824;ascii_field;http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpecializationIsForInsects << top of page
1172464;1435001826;assbot;Specialization Is For Insects ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwOVN0 )
1172465;1435001866;thestringpuller;was thinking about you in traffic this morning ascii_field
1172466;1435001884;thestringpuller;thought to myself, "ascii has to deal with this shit for 4 hours a day. no use in my gettin' upset"
1172467;1435001900;ascii_field;thestringpuller: closer to 2 on avg.
1172468;1435001964;thestringpuller;that's my mentors favorite quote btw ascii_field
1172469;1435002023;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dunno about insects, but it is certainly a cheap if ineffectual way to assuage one's feelings of inadequacy.
1172470;1435002029;mircea_popescu;then you get jwz's all over.
1172471;1435002036;mircea_popescu;they're all specialists, and all in something else.
1172472;1435002051;mircea_popescu;consequently nobody's responsible for anything and whatever.
1172473;1435002074;ascii_field;can we distinguish shit from shinola, even if only to the extend of admitting the existence of shinola ?
1172474;1435002089;ascii_field;jwz != perelman
1172475;1435002099;mircea_popescu;sure.
1172476;1435002107;mircea_popescu;but to their wives, they're interchangeable.
1172477;1435002109;mircea_popescu;hence - divorce.
1172478;1435002132;*;ascii_field doesn't recall perelman so much as threatening to have a wife
1172479;1435002134;mircea_popescu;to their waiter - which they don't have - to their doctor - which idem - to their life, whatever it means, they're interchangeable.
1172480;1435002176;ascii_field;i must confess that ^ makes literally no sense to me
1172481;1435002191;ascii_field;why would they be interchangeable to their wives (supposing each had a wife) ?
1172482;1435002197;mircea_popescu;ok. lety's walk through the path.
1172483;1435002220;mircea_popescu;guy is 3. he is easily the equal of anything life throws his way. master of his destiny, the three year old roars.
1172484;1435002273;mircea_popescu;a decade passes, and the thirteen year old is confronted with the sad circumstance that hanna likes basketball players and rachel likes football players, and to become either you gotta talk to the respective coach, and the coach says you gotta spend all your time practicing. well... he can't readily spend all his time twice over.
1172485;1435002296;thestringpuller;what about guy who is on all the teams?
1172486;1435002311;mircea_popescu;at which point, guy specializes, and takes rachel. another guy, coming later, takes hanna. for less effort, but lesser pickings. and so with everyone.
1172487;1435002321;thestringpuller;guy who has letter jacket from baseball, basketball and football.
1172488;1435002330;thestringpuller;couldn't he date hanna and rachel at same time?
1172489;1435002336;mircea_popescu;then a kid from australia comes by, wants to play tennis, and well... none of the boys can play. because... mind you... not their speciality.
1172490;1435002353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47761 @ 0.00041888 = 20.0061 BTC [-] {2} 
1172491;1435002378;mircea_popescu;given the lure of exotism, the only stable result here is where australia is a terrorist regime and all the guys sit around discussing immigration reform.
1172492;1435002417;mircea_popescu;you ever seen birthday girl ascii_field ?
1172493;1435002430;ascii_field;nope
1172494;1435002440;ascii_field;what was it
1172495;1435002467;mircea_popescu;an excelent film, see it sometime. the plot is that a russian whore (which just means woman in her 20s) sells herself off to an english eunuch
1172496;1435002473;mircea_popescu;(which just means man in his 20s)
1172497;1435002494;mircea_popescu;she, of course, has a boy back home. and that boy... comes to check her out.
1172498;1435002516;mircea_popescu;the way this movie is generally perceived is "oh, russian mob and mail order bride scam". nothing of the kind. the russian boy is pretty much playing it by the ear,
1172499;1435002536;mircea_popescu;and there's a most endeering scheme where he and the current guy his girl is ... with, let's say, walk in the woods.
1172500;1435002557;mircea_popescu;and the russian tries to talk to the brit. plainly, man to man. it involves some kickjumps in the vegetation. the other backs off like a cat from a calendar.
1172501;1435002586;mircea_popescu;it all goes to shit, but ~after~ that.
1172502;1435002607;mircea_popescu;why exactly can't a random english kid talk the basic language of the other ?
1172503;1435002618;ascii_field;because orc ?
1172504;1435002623;mircea_popescu;what is this orc.
1172505;1435002627;ascii_field;is this yet another 'humans good, orcs bad' yarn
1172506;1435002630;mircea_popescu;yes, each thinks the other an orc.
1172507;1435002631;ascii_field;because those are a snore
1172508;1435002640;mircea_popescu;i just liked that scene. also nicole kidman.
1172509;1435002668;mircea_popescu;it demands an explanation. WHY is it that the brit can't talk to the other ? he DID actually come in peace.
1172510;1435002688;mircea_popescu;up until that point, the big reveal (for him), where he discovers that his inferiority complex to "civilisation" is unfounded.
1172511;1435002706;mircea_popescu;you recall the amply discussed "soviet realisation". the funny thing is, those people's sons had... a very similar realisation.
1172512;1435002711;mircea_popescu;except this time, re the west.
1172513;1435002728;ascii_field;aha.
1172514;1435002761;mircea_popescu;just how fucking hard is it to speak another's language ?
1172515;1435002769;ascii_field;today you will find open discussion among thinking ru sphere folks, that 'islamic picture of western civ is essentially correct'
1172516;1435002777;mircea_popescu;im not talking, previously, against specialisation in the anti intellectual, acultural manner you seem to have taken in.
1172517;1435002780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10613 @ 0.00040949 = 4.3459 BTC [-]
1172518;1435002792;mircea_popescu;i merely speak of this : that when baker tells you a joke about yeast, you'd better fucking get it and laugh.
1172519;1435002798;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1172520;1435002816;mircea_popescu;i have no doubt it is essentially correct, which is why i speak for isis more than i speak for the usg.
1172521;1435002822;mircea_popescu;if it was backwards i'd speak backwards.
1172522;1435002832;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> something about the lock not being bsd or what was it << lol :D
1172523;1435002839;*;ascii_field re: yeast laugh: graps that mircea_popescu is speaking the basic frustration of every polymath on planet 3 when confronting numbskulls
1172524;1435002844;mircea_popescu;mod6 :p
1172525;1435002864;mircea_popescu;how much fucking polymacy does it take to get a fucking joke!
1172526;1435002877;mircea_popescu;"oh no, we could never do that, WE'RE SPECIALIZED!!1"
1172527;1435002879;mircea_popescu;fuck you then.
1172528;1435002886;ascii_field;the basic minimal quota adult male circa, say, 1930, shipped from the factory with
1172529;1435002898;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1172530;1435002907;ascii_field;~that~ kind of 'specialized' can go straight to the biodiesel pot, yes
1172531;1435002925;ascii_field;it is, at least partly, why i left academia
1172532;1435002932;ascii_field;i.e. having to be in the same elevator as those people.
1172533;1435002938;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1172534;1435002948;*;mircea_popescu was blessed with an early life in a land with no elevators
1172535;1435002954;mircea_popescu;thinkaboutit.jpg
1172536;1435003000;williamdunne;The women in Romania were beautiful, but I think Czech Republic had it beat out
1172537;1435003022;chetty;large buildings (with elevators) look remarkably like beehives
1172538;1435003049;mircea_popescu;williamdunne generally agreed upon fact.
1172539;1435003082;williamdunne;Jesus Christ though, when I met the person at the bank I'd been working with for the past few months though..
1172540;1435003083;williamdunne;Holy shit
1172541;1435003085;williamdunne;Just wow
1172542;1435003087;mircea_popescu;chetty oh, and no "access control" either. as late as 1988 you cvould just fucking WALK INTO the super-secret-only-not-military-because-the-smart-kids-hated-corporals itci
1172543;1435003095;mircea_popescu;ie, the place working to make missile controls and whatnot.
1172544;1435003105;mircea_popescu;williamdunne nailedher ?
1172545;1435003117;williamdunne;Christ I wish
1172546;1435003127;mircea_popescu;nuts. what do you wish ?
1172547;1435003127;williamdunne;I'm too babyfaced to do any damage
1172548;1435003133;mircea_popescu;didja ask her ?
1172549;1435003139;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: we had elevators. which didn't work. fun on 15th floor
1172550;1435003151;mircea_popescu;ascii_field see this is it, 4 floors everywhere.
1172551;1435003157;williamdunne;"Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
1172552;1435003164;mircea_popescu;made the butts better at any rate.
1172553;1435003172;trinque;williamdunne: there may be better strategies
1172554;1435003174;trinque;lol
1172555;1435003183;mircea_popescu;williamdunne if you're that kind, which i hadn't judged you for. else, "wanna go for a bite after work ?"
1172556;1435003198;williamdunne;Aha
1172557;1435003208;williamdunne;Yeah not that kind
1172558;1435003225;williamdunne;Maybe I should have tried, sure I'll be there again soonish though
1172559;1435003236;williamdunne;Still, being a babyfaced 18 year old isn't a good starting point
1172560;1435003268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38017 @ 0.00040878 = 15.5406 BTC [-] {2} 
1172561;1435003270;chetty;never know if you dont try, really nothing to lose
1172562;1435003282;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but to round it off : i am unimpressed with that utter fear of all usian pencildicks, "omg prison". seriously, lifetime pension ? tyvm. i am also unimpressed with the "difficulties" of "orcs" aka niggers in the us. i have never had a problem making sense of them or the reverse. and THIS is why i say the flight to suburbus is a purely sexual problem.
1172563;1435003297;mircea_popescu;there is a deep link between sex and communication, not least of all because sex is the communication of biological material.
1172564;1435003313;mircea_popescu;williamdunne wouldja stop trying to make her decisions for her ?
1172565;1435003320;mircea_popescu;not your fucking job. specialize already.
1172566;1435003345;williamdunne;Get your point
1172567;1435003362;mircea_popescu;"we reject gender specialisation, which is not something anyone asked us about - to focus on professional specialization, which is both impossible and counterproductive"
1172568;1435003369;trinque;williamdunne: I recall working IT at a hotel in FL when I was 19
1172569;1435003379;trinque;I'm sure I was "babyfaced"
1172570;1435003391;mircea_popescu;is this slang for pimplefaced or something ?
1172571;1435003408;ascii_field;so when will mircea_popescu be getting on the u.s. prison plane ?
1172572;1435003409;trinque;chick who was my boss seemed overly friendly, went ahead and chatted her up one day after work
1172573;1435003414;trinque;fucked her for a couple months thereafter
1172574;1435003419;ascii_field;there is probably a nice lifetime pension reserved for him here
1172575;1435003420;trinque;learned a lot :D
1172576;1435003426;funkenstein_;the orcs are the pigs, the stormtroopers.  right right?
1172577;1435003430;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well i plan to shoot a few schmucks first. so just as soon as they can line up enough schmucks willing to be shot.
1172578;1435003453;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: It means young looking
1172579;1435003460;mircea_popescu;that's a drawback ?!
1172580;1435003462;williamdunne;noice
1172581;1435003467;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Young as in 15
1172582;1435003479;williamdunne;Not young as if in pre-30s
1172583;1435003487;chetty;jailbait
1172584;1435003490;mircea_popescu;i still dun see it.
1172585;1435003492;williamdunne;Pretty much
1172586;1435003510;mircea_popescu;williamdunne they dont have sex jail in the czech republic.
1172587;1435003541;williamdunne;This was in Bucharest, but yeah
1172588;1435003547;williamdunne;I more meant it as a negative in terms of attraction
1172589;1435003553;williamdunne;(Example babyfaced mugshot)
1172590;1435003554;williamdunne;http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4693413.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Lewis-Daynes.jpg
1172591;1435003555;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwU73q )
1172592;1435003564;mircea_popescu;lol got your own ?
1172593;1435003591;williamdunne;Aha, nope, thats not me
1172594;1435003661;mircea_popescu;anyway, eastern europe bank strategy has been to hire supermodels because a) they're stupid b) they're cheap and c) the stupid and cheap peasants that are their parents still own their own real estate and the best way to get them to lose it to austrian banks is by hiring thei better looking daughters. which they don't fuck because weirdos, but merely drool over..
1172595;1435003686;mircea_popescu;the same womenz exist in london, you don't see them in retail bank branches because nobody gives a shit about the english peasant.
1172596;1435003698;williamdunne;Aha
1172597;1435003706;williamdunne;Well, I wouldn't call her stupid. She's been rather useful
1172598;1435003707;williamdunne;but yeah
1172599;1435003716;mircea_popescu;i'm sure she's a specialist.
1172600;1435003719;williamdunne;This is what a drunken Wil looks like; http://i.imgur.com/3fI48sM.jpg
1172601;1435003720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwUDyk )
1172602;1435003730;williamdunne;3rd from left
1172603;1435003756;mircea_popescu;may i inquire why are you holding the OTHER DUDE ?
1172604;1435003762;trinque;bahaha
1172605;1435003774;cazalla;they're mates!
1172606;1435003788;mircea_popescu;right, but there's a time for that.
1172607;1435003824;*;williamdunne is no longer allowed friends
1172608;1435003825;williamdunne;Aha
1172609;1435003826;williamdunne;Well
1172610;1435003837;williamdunne;I did try it on with the girls in my defence
1172611;1435003841;williamdunne;They weren't having any of it
1172612;1435003854;mircea_popescu;srsly ? they look kinda ready to go.
1172613;1435003869;mircea_popescu;but what's in a photo.
1172614;1435003892;williamdunne;Either they didn't like me, or a heavily intoxicated Wil isn't good at reading signs
1172615;1435003912;cazalla;you look pretty tanked and ignore these autists who think putting ya arm around ya mate is weird :P
1172616;1435003946;mircea_popescu;cazalla goes to the brothel holding hands.
1172617;1435003952;williamdunne;Prague was pretty much me being tanked the entire time
1172618;1435003984;williamdunne;I discovered that gay people like me very much, which I guess is a slight ego boost even if very useless to me
1172619;1435004017;mircea_popescu;i dunno about 15, but you could pass for a twink.
1172620;1435004073;williamdunne;Hmmm the only twink I know of is WoW terminology
1172621;1435004078;williamdunne;!ud twink
1172622;1435004084;williamdunne;;;ud twink
1172623;1435004085;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink | The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent. A twink  ...
1172624;1435004093;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172114 << you know my discussion of his obit still draws angry mail ?
1172625;1435004093;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 14:17:22; asciilifeform: mats: that herr naggum 'did not want to live' is profoundly obvious from the manner in which he died
1172626;1435004110;williamdunne;Ahahaha
1172627;1435004128;williamdunne;Well, yeah I qualify for the t.w part
1172628;1435004132;mircea_popescu;williamdunne a twink is how you say ephebos these days. intelligence got nothing to do with it, just the internet derp seems to insist that anyone sensual is necessarily dumb fior this reason.
1172629;1435004143;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: l0l! angry mail?
1172630;1435004145;ascii_field;why?
1172631;1435004151;mircea_popescu;"how could i say such things!"
1172632;1435004163;mircea_popescu;well it irritatyes not merely the feminist worldview, but also the collectivist worldview,
1172633;1435004171;mircea_popescu;"i will see the world is more important than people!111!11"
1172634;1435004195;ascii_field;ah that
1172635;1435004197;ascii_field;unsurprised
1172636;1435004204;ascii_field;the usual suspects will piss & moan, yes
1172637;1435004301;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172123 << you will notice this is entirely projected.
1172638;1435004301;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 14:33:29; asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu's 'recipe': 'naggum should've moved to argentina' 'me: with what' 'mircea: with shirt on his back' 'me: doing what' 'mircea: sharpening knives while living in dumpster' 'me: betcha he knew this, and didn't care for it'
1172639;1435004315;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172071 <<< i got one on the 19th.. i get them every 2-3 weeks and can no longer sync after that so i have to restore from backup
1172640;1435004315;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 13:55:47; asciilifeform: anyone notice if gavingang sent out 'alerts' recently ?
1172641;1435004316;mircea_popescu;!s should from:mircea
1172642;1435004317;assbot;2333 results for 'should from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=should+from%3Amircea
1172643;1435004344;williamdunne;!s .gif from:mircea
1172644;1435004345;assbot;186 results for '.gif from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=.gif+from%3Amircea
1172645;1435004347;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the conjecture was based on an old thread re: naggum
1172646;1435004356;ascii_field;where you did say 'why wasn't he on the next boat to ar'
1172647;1435004365;mircea_popescu;yes but it carries more of the conjecturer than of the subject.
1172648;1435004384;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838804
1172649;1435004384;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2014 16:28:55; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?
1172650;1435004412;trinque;people do it
1172651;1435004424;trinque;my ancestors left being rather well off in Italy
1172652;1435004430;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the point was that location's irrelevant, there. which it is, or do you dispute ?
1172653;1435004441;mircea_popescu;yes, i get it, you have heavy physical equipment. he was a software man.
1172654;1435004447;ascii_field;it is absolutely relevant unless you are mircea_popescu, flyer of atomic dirigible
1172655;1435004461;ascii_field;and it isn't about the equipment. i'd burn it all if meatwot were portable
1172656;1435004480;ascii_field;naggum certainly did not stay in shitland on account of equipment.
1172657;1435004497;mircea_popescu;more on account of not asking the bank clerk about fucking her over her desk ?
1172658;1435004498;ascii_field;but, as i surmise, on account of 'rather die than compete with 16 year-olds on their home turf'
1172659;1435004527;trinque;even that makes very little sense, as though death holds some better alternative
1172660;1435004544;ascii_field;trinque fails pashtun exam
1172661;1435004544;mircea_popescu;competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos.
1172662;1435004546;funkenstein_;i guess that meatwot wasn't worth sticking around for either.  sometimes it isn't.
1172663;1435004549;ascii_field;the 'death before dishonour' part
1172664;1435004553;trinque;haha
1172665;1435004556;trinque;indeed I do
1172666;1435004558;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ interesting how contradictory the proposition is huh
1172667;1435004585;mircea_popescu;"he couldn't leave because he couldn't leave things he couldn't leave and then he left them"
1172668;1435004598;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: competing with 16yos is how you end up fucking 16yos << hence why i said 'home turf'
1172669;1435004615;williamdunne;Bug in orderbook?
1172670;1435004616;williamdunne;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR
1172671;1435004617;assbot;X.EUR last 25@0.00460722 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwXes7 )
1172672;1435004626;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1172673;1435004630;ascii_field;advantage as in, where they have whatever advantage (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants)
1172674;1435004630;mircea_popescu;no dude. the species is coded so that women are sluts. which is to say, they fuck the novel.
1172675;1435004641;mircea_popescu;williamdunne what's the bug ?
1172676;1435004651;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Bid/Ask of same value and with positive quantity
1172677;1435004662;mike_c;screenshot? I don't see that.
1172678;1435004666;mircea_popescu;32 vs 22 ?
1172679;1435004679;mike_c;only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
1172680;1435004692;mircea_popescu;lol
1172681;1435004724;mircea_popescu; (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants) << this is not what you make it out to be.
1172682;1435004737;williamdunne;http://i.imgur.com/451sxcA.png?1
1172683;1435004738;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IapZfo )
1172684;1435004777;mircea_popescu;well, that's what i see too
1172685;1435004787;williamdunne;I'm seeing bids and asks at 0.00460732
1172686;1435004790;williamdunne;They should match, no?
1172687;1435004793;mircea_popescu;0.00460732130 | 600.00460722
1172688;1435004802;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.00460732 - 0.00460722
1172689;1435004803;gribble;9.99999999994e-08
1172690;1435004803;williamdunne;Oh
1172691;1435004804;williamdunne;aha
1172692;1435004809;williamdunne;I missed the 3/2
1172693;1435004878;mircea_popescu;<gribble> 9.99999999994e-08 << that is an... interesting result.
1172694;1435004915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17019 @ 0.0003926 = 6.6817 BTC [-]
1172695;1435004939;ascii_field;^ 'what is the difference between windows 3.1 and windows 3.0?' '0, according to ms calc'
1172696;1435004964;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172132 >> this fails to expl;ain why hobos go to town rather than diffuse in the fields.
1172697;1435004964;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 14:42:57; thestringpuller: hobo is a phenomenon of the city imo. if forced to be homeless I'd rather be homeless in a jungle or some deserted island and learn to survive there rather than in a city.
1172698;1435004971;williamdunne;On an unrelated note, I like Tim Parsa of BitReserve
1172699;1435005005;mircea_popescu;williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172150 << what's whaleclub
1172700;1435005005;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 15:46:33; williamdunne: !rate Drhelmut 1 WhaleClub TS
1172701;1435005029;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Some teamspeak thing for price speculators
1172702;1435005030;mircea_popescu;a nm is in the log
1172703;1435005054;mircea_popescu;mike_c yo mikey! you missed the event!
1172704;1435005080;mike_c;father's day, spent it by the pool
1172705;1435005090;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172170 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172172 omfg you guise are mean.
1172706;1435005090;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 15:54:55; ben_vulpes: bunch of half-int btc holders talking about making markets?
1172707;1435005090;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 15:55:36; mats: to be more generous, probably a buncha poor people following TAT around
1172708;1435005112;mircea_popescu;mike_c oh, is that where the whole family gathers around to do osanali and genereally worship you ?
1172709;1435005128;mike_c;yes, except my father was there too, so he got some worship as well.
1172710;1435005152;mike_c;and i don't know what osanali is
1172711;1435005186;mircea_popescu;turkish word. this specific calisthenic routine, person kneels then raises hands and then puts them on teh ground.
1172712;1435005190;mircea_popescu;supposed to show great respek.
1172713;1435005226;mircea_popescu;!rate Drhelmut 1 Runs some sort of teamspeak server.
1172714;1435005227;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d7db93b80cfc2a4f
1172715;1435005235;mike_c;ah, yes, well that happenned.
1172716;1435005248;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Drhelmut.1:6d6dc0f4b800d51f6f275f4a001247e02f9e809fbfc19fcc7bc78cceb76dff3a
1172717;1435005248;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Drhelmut with note: Runs some sort of teamspeak server.
1172718;1435005283;mircea_popescu;osanali^ is the plural, and it'd need a thing on the i. otherwise osana, singular.
1172719;1435005329;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172181 << i suspect it works as a "strengthening weakness". which is to say, because it's so easily to be annoying, encourages people to not be annoying. sort of canary in the mine if you will.
1172720;1435005329;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 16:02:31; chetty: teamspeak? eew why would one want to have people talking at you all the time?
1172721;1435005388;mircea_popescu;groups benefit from a certain knowledge that a mechanism for disproportionate reaction exists (as discussed in that old arta pedepsirii article). this arrangement simply makes it exist without anyone actuall being personally involved, which is just what you'd expect these days.
1172722;1435005706;mircea_popescu;in other news, that dude i tried to hire to do bitbet advertising absconded with the budget did he.
1172723;1435005758;mircea_popescu;;;seen isaackl
1172724;1435005759;gribble;isaackl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <isaackl> For BitBet, SEO or finding sites with underutilised ad space (as with 8chan) is probably the way to go? Both take time though. I can send your btc back if you want as tbh I have little expertise in that world. Also let me know if you think my reasoning is flawed.
1172725;1435005767;mircea_popescu;heh.
1172726;1435005779;trinque;"if you want" lol
1172727;1435005784;mircea_popescu;!rated isaackl
1172728;1435005784;assbot;You have not rated isaackl.
1172729;1435005818;mircea_popescu;!rate isaackl -1 was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.
1172730;1435005818;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/90a9fc16fd7c0bc3
1172731;1435005818;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 10:08:38; mircea_popescu: i prefer to not communicate lol. do your job, report the methodology and results once you're done. you got a blog ?
1172732;1435005847;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.isaackl.-1:72d3d56f7ac65a6e331b6b725cce0e408b21cf3a566d2340ca65326776f66734
1172733;1435005847;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for isaackl with note: was supposed to work for bitbet, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140179 disappeared.
1172734;1435005871;williamdunne;Seems like it would justify more than a -1
1172735;1435005880;mircea_popescu;!up ksipax
1172736;1435005883;shinohai;That was lame
1172737;1435005895;mircea_popescu;williamdunne dja know how i score these ?
1172738;1435005905;williamdunne;Honestly, no
1172739;1435005978;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#selection-293.0-301.96
1172740;1435005979;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx1l7v )
1172741;1435006065;Drhelmut;Yeeah
1172742;1435006068;Drhelmut;I did it
1172743;1435006071;mircea_popescu;lol wd.
1172744;1435006091;Drhelmut;thx for rating mircea
1172745;1435006095;mircea_popescu;aha.
1172746;1435006113;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172277 << lol win.
1172747;1435006113;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 16:32:46; assbot:  im silly, but not that silly.
1172748;1435006124;Drhelmut;god Wot is not user friendly at all
1172749;1435006139;mircea_popescu;no, it isn't.
1172750;1435006191;mircea_popescu;but, unlike other places that are not user friendly, like the us or the uk, at least it doesn't employ armed men to shoot you for trying to get in.
1172751;1435006211;mircea_popescu;or was it for trying to get out ? i always get my empires mixed up.
1172752;1435006217;Drhelmut;lol
1172753;1435006285;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172300 << at least get us nudies of the czech hotties then.
1172754;1435006285;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 17:04:08; williamdunne: ascii_field: Sorry, still not home. Keeps getting delayed. Probably won't be back until Wednesday D:
1172755;1435006301;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Aha
1172756;1435006304;williamdunne;In the UK
1172757;1435006306;williamdunne;Just not at home
1172758;1435006322;mircea_popescu;ah which reminds me. ascii_field you ever seen pulp fiction ?
1172759;1435006337;ascii_field;nope
1172760;1435006346;mircea_popescu;it's a good movie.
1172761;1435006375;mircea_popescu;julius an' vincent have a number of intelligent, culturally relevant discussions. whych is why qt is such an intellectual titan.
1172762;1435006378;*;ascii_field already had it on list, solely on account of who did it, but hasn't yet seen
1172763;1435006385;mircea_popescu;among them, one you'll find familiar.
1172764;1435006387;williamdunne;Watch it
1172765;1435006388;williamdunne;Today
1172766;1435006397;mircea_popescu;While You Drive
1172767;1435006397;williamdunne;Fuck it, imma rewatch it
1172768;1435006430;kakobrekla;http://i.imgflip.com/n47kl.jpg
1172769;1435006431;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx2wnE )
1172770;1435006440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00040611 = 15.554 BTC [+]
1172771;1435006447;mircea_popescu;aahaha
1172772;1435006490;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172305 << but lulzy.
1172773;1435006490;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 17:10:13; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171883 < that's microsoft's fud and it never actually took place
1172774;1435006535;mike_c;kakobrekla: lol :D  that's a good one
1172775;1435006570;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/Z3fFFcj.gifv
1172776;1435006571;assbot;Always remember to remove cat before flight ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx2Z9j )
1172777;1435006672;mircea_popescu;incidentally Drhelmut you ever answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172317 ?
1172778;1435006672;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 17:19:06; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172198 < wait how does this actually work?
1172779;1435007053;shinohai;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-22/pulp-fiction-star-harvey-keitel-sues-e-trade-over-canceled-ads
1172780;1435007054;assbot;‘Pulp Fiction’ Star Keitel Sues E*Trade Over Ad Campaign - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lx4l3U )
1172781;1435007136;mircea_popescu;"C++ is philosophically and cognitively unsound as it forces a violation of all known epistemological processes on the programmer.  as a language,  it requires you to specify in great detail what you do not know in order  to obtain the experience necessary to learn it. "
1172782;1435007171;mircea_popescu;you know there's actually a strong possibility this assertion is correct. from my experience discussing programming with girls that don't program, it often comes to some derivative of exactly this.
1172783;1435007200;mircea_popescu;either "how do you know that", "how was i supposed to know that" or the more broad "this shit is just fucking stupid already"
1172784;1435007213;williamdunne;On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
1172785;1435007229;mats;thats not egalitarian, man
1172786;1435007234;mircea_popescu;so ?
1172787;1435007247;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1172788;1435007249;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i had almost 100% same convo with a maths type who hated programming
1172789;1435007254;ascii_field;for the same reason naggum gav
1172790;1435007254;ascii_field;e
1172791;1435007260;mircea_popescu;i think it's the deep reason for haskell
1172792;1435007267;ascii_field;'requires me to name shit that doesn't deserve a name and wtf'
1172793;1435007290;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well, I didn't realize quite how deep SJW'ism was engraved into the souls of them
1172794;1435007295;mircea_popescu;but for what it's worth, i don't believe C actually does this. i believe it is merely perceived to do so.
1172795;1435007308;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: c - no
1172796;1435007313;williamdunne;I never even said anything particularly controversial in my opinion; only that I would prefer a wife who didn't work over one that did
1172797;1435007321;ascii_field;cpp, and other idiocies that force-rape the programmer with 'classes' etc - do.
1172798;1435007348;mircea_popescu;williamdunne why would you prefer a wife that didn't work, and if you do, how do you know you're not actually looking for a mistress  ?
1172799;1435007359;mircea_popescu;ascii_field even cpp. let's model this on the act of telling a joke.
1172800;1435007371;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Wife was simply for their understanding, I'm not particularly concerned with the idea of marriage
1172801;1435007388;mircea_popescu;now, you've probably heard enough jokes in your time to know there are two basic styles. one style is "some guy walks into a bar" and the other style is "this bloke joe walks into the bar".
1172802;1435007414;ascii_field;(this-bloke (gensym) (walked-into (bar)))
1172803;1435007417;mircea_popescu;the former is often trampled on by scoping questions by the [lamer] members of the audience. the second uses misdirection (the name's a throwaway) to perhaps enhance the results.,
1172804;1435007446;mircea_popescu;"why should i know who some guy's name is to be able to tell a joke ?" "you only need to know the name if you plan to reuse it"
1172805;1435007477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00037614 = 26.9128 BTC [-] {4} 
1172806;1435007489;mircea_popescu;c++ is very faux-texan in this sense.
1172807;1435007503;mircea_popescu;"objective", except the objectivity is pure nominalism.
1172808;1435007531;mircea_popescu;which makes it very much an idealism masquerading as an objectivism which then drives a particular sort of people up the wall.
1172809;1435007626;mircea_popescu;williamdunne point being, if the bitch ain't working for you, she's the pimp and you're the ho.
1172810;1435007660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00040074 = 16.771 BTC [+]
1172811;1435007786;felipelalli;this conversation about programming languages, lol!
1172812;1435007858;mircea_popescu;!up Exemus
1172813;1435007868;Drhelmut;good night ppl
1172814;1435007891;mats;programming sucks
1172815;1435007912;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Sure, I guess thats kinda my point
1172816;1435007912;felipelalli;ascii_field: are you a scheme programmer too? If yes, which dialect?
1172817;1435007925;williamdunne;The confusion on my point is the extreme objection to this on the part of my peers
1172818;1435007968;williamdunne;Anyhow, nothing too profound
1172819;1435007975;trinque;felipelalli: one doesn't tend to be an X programmer past a certain proficiency
1172820;1435007978;ascii_field;felipelalli: i haven't used scheme in anger in many years.
1172821;1435007998;mircea_popescu;he mostly uses python :D
1172822;1435008000;williamdunne;Although, I'm now thinking that unless I'm given some particularly large incentive not too, I would like to move somewhere in Eastern Europe
1172823;1435008009;mircea_popescu;williamdunne ukraine ?
1172824;1435008031;felipelalli;trinque: you're right, my question was if ascii_field did program in scheme before.
1172825;1435008034;williamdunne;Hate the language
1172826;1435008043;williamdunne;Not been though
1172827;1435008050;williamdunne;CZ/RO currently on top
1172828;1435008097;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I thought it was quite interesting that Romanian doesn't distinguish between to win and to earn though
1172829;1435008104;mircea_popescu;"one can only  imagine what having to lie to your compiler _every_ day and to make  unwarranted guesses that your colleagues will depend on the same way they  depend on your hard-earned knowledge _does_ to a human brain -- I know I  couldn't handle even the prospect of it." << ya ya. welcome to real life (tm). this is what it is. exactly. there shall never be an escape from it, it is the indelible mark of superiority,
1172830;1435008105;mircea_popescu;the notion that one can run out of it by running out of c is ridiculous.
1172831;1435008136;mircea_popescu;ascii_field this goes right into our discussion about how the only reason lisp is ok where c is shot is that the hordes haven't sat on lisp but on c, would have been the other way around if they had sat the other way.
1172832;1435008140;mircea_popescu;preciselythis.
1172833;1435008149;ascii_field;naggum pointed this out
1172834;1435008150;mircea_popescu;williamdunne technically, it's all "gain".
1172835;1435008157;ascii_field;but it is not a complete story
1172836;1435008170;mircea_popescu;ascii_field one day ima have an original thought. i swear.
1172837;1435008170;ascii_field;rather like saying 'this bridge is only here because sufficiently large column of tanks has not yet gone on it'
1172838;1435008175;mircea_popescu;(to my compiler)
1172839;1435008178;ascii_field;technically - guaranteed true.
1172840;1435008193;ascii_field;enough tanks, made of neutron star, and any bridge will go down.
1172841;1435008193;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1172842;1435008209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76809 @ 0.00040821 = 31.3542 BTC [+] {2} 
1172843;1435008277;mircea_popescu;williamdunne what you'll be more interested will be to hear that a) romanian uses a unified concept for gain, which covers "gain from playing the one man bandit", "gain for gainful employment", "gain from having said a funny joke", "gaining time" etc, but the actual word, cistiga, is a direct usage of the latin castigat.
1172844;1435008288;mircea_popescu;as in, castigat ridendo mores. to, literally, beat into shape.
1172845;1435008314;williamdunne;Ahh, I wish he'd gone into more detail thats kinda interesting
1172846;1435008317;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172784 <<< overrated and the wife does the bare minimum just like anyone else stuck in a job they hate
1172847;1435008317;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 21:06:53; williamdunne: On a side note something I found to be interesting; whenever it came up that I preferred the traditional model of a wife being submissive to her husband who goes to work while she performs domestic duties, it was made out that I am a neo-nazi by people my own age
1172848;1435008354;williamdunne;cazalla: If they hate the job, why'd ya give it to them?
1172849;1435008358;mircea_popescu;cazalla well if she does that she gets the whip.
1172850;1435008437;trinque;traditional models are for boring people
1172851;1435008469;williamdunne;MP, your model IIRC is pretty interesting..
1172852;1435008471;mircea_popescu;great training tool tho. what's clueless girly to do ?
1172853;1435008499;cazalla;williamdunne, well because she's a good mum (the hate my job part is really just having less time for oneself)
1172854;1435008581;williamdunne;cazalla: Fair nuff, I'm not so keen on the idea of children that I have to look after so between myself and domestic duties they would still have time for themselves, you would hope
1172855;1435008640;cazalla;why do you prefer the traditional model of a wife if no desire for kids?
1172856;1435008663;trinque;think he means that *he* has to bother with
1172857;1435008673;mircea_popescu;either because he wants to buy a whore rather than rent ; or because he wants a mistress but is affraid of her bulls.
1172858;1435008693;mircea_popescu;strangely enough, two very different problems manifesting in the same can.
1172859;1435008707;williamdunne;Permanent companionship/sexual fulfilment without the hassle of children?
1172860;1435008718;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Not really scared of bulls, but I don't want to share
1172861;1435008719;mircea_popescu;this still doesn't answer.
1172862;1435008742;cazalla;williamdunne, biggest mistake i made at your age was believing i needed to get into a relationship with women to maintain regular sex
1172863;1435008767;williamdunne;cazalla: I don't just mean sex
1172864;1435008793;mircea_popescu;are you looking for a woman to worship you, that you really don't give a shit about ; or for a woman to worship yourself, that doesn't really give a shit about you.
1172865;1435008809;williamdunne;Option 3, I suppose
1172866;1435008814;mircea_popescu;there is no option 3.
1172867;1435008826;williamdunne;Well in which case option 1 is the beyond obvious choice
1172868;1435008846;mircea_popescu;never mind what's obvious, nobody asked your impression of collected social pressure. question's what you would rather.
1172869;1435008882;williamdunne;Option 1, its an obvious choice
1172870;1435008889;williamdunne;Not option 1 because societal pressure
1172871;1435008890;mircea_popescu;well so then why shouldn't she work.
1172872;1435008914;trinque;everyone needs something productive to do; what's she going to do, stare at a picture of you all day while you're off living?
1172873;1435008928;mircea_popescu;^ very good statement of the problem.
1172874;1435008951;williamdunne;Why should she work? Are there not alternatives to a job
1172875;1435008957;williamdunne;kept woman type thing
1172876;1435008965;mircea_popescu;but that's for option 2 folk.
1172877;1435009012;williamdunne;Do you have to worship a paid for companion?
1172878;1435009023;trinque;wtf do you think paid for is?
1172879;1435009040;mircea_popescu;don't the online whores these days call it exactly that ?
1172880;1435009067;mircea_popescu;what is it, "tribute"
1172881;1435009075;trinque;williamdunne: I have had chicks that don't have a career, and seen the detriment idleness can be
1172882;1435009086;trinque;so it's a garden, or whatever, still she needs to see that her life has some kind of point
1172883;1435009089;williamdunne;trinque as if in you pay for their upkeep
1172884;1435009090;williamdunne;Oh sure
1172885;1435009098;williamdunne;But I wouldn't call that work
1172886;1435009109;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1172887;1435009127;cazalla;well if she's not kept busy raising your kids or some other hobby, don't be surprised when she ends up in the bed of another
1172888;1435009132;mircea_popescu;if it's worth paying for is work, and if it's not then it doesn't answer to this line.
1172889;1435009222;mircea_popescu;"Because I am not religious, I have no mystical conception of an afterlife. To me, a person lives on not in Heaven or Hell but instead in the minds and hearts of those they touched while alive"
1172890;1435009223;williamdunne;By work, I strictly mean doing something which you have to do to support yourself financially
1172891;1435009243;mircea_popescu;fucktarded progressive sectarian nuts. "i have no religion except this wonky religion that i claim not to be one"
1172892;1435009255;mircea_popescu;williamdunne like sucking cock ?
1172893;1435009276;williamdunne;If thats what you're paid to do, sure
1172894;1435009309;trinque;so she's supporting herself by being paid by you to do work you find valuable
1172895;1435009311;mircea_popescu;were you basically meaning to say "my idea of ideal marriage is where im just rich enough to not give a fuck" but misstated it as "woman should not work out of the house" and ended up irritating random people ?
1172896;1435009313;trinque;that's work
1172897;1435009340;williamdunne;Pretty much
1172898;1435009362;williamdunne;Only a handful were particularly irritated, and they weren't worth keeping contact with anyhow
1172899;1435009386;trinque;bahaha that's on par with: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-03-2015#1045004
1172900;1435009386;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 01:58:55; trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now
1172901;1435009396;cazalla;anyway williamdunne, you're what? 18? i wouldn't even give thought to wife and kids until you hit your 30s or perhaps even later, go whore it up for the next 15 years
1172902;1435009431;williamdunne;Aha, its not something I intend to do within the near future
1172903;1435009515;cazalla;well better to encourage the sluts around you to get naked than to tell them you think a boring housewife is a better proposition than them
1172904;1435009522;mircea_popescu;^
1172905;1435009536;mircea_popescu;total mismatch between meaning and expression, babyface.
1172906;1435009572;williamdunne;ahahaha
1172907;1435009574;mircea_popescu;btw, check out how nicely the cult's gangster outlook is rounding out! we now have a guy nicknamed babyface even.
1172908;1435009583;cazalla;lol
1172909;1435009585;trinque;!b 2
1172910;1435009586;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3V83AZ2.txt )
1172911;1435009586;mircea_popescu;hopefully someone named schultz joins. i think you haveto have one.
1172912;1435009608;*;trinque needs to start wearing more suits
1172913;1435009626;williamdunne;I lol'd
1172914;1435009856;mircea_popescu;i swear the quality of tx relaying is shittening every day.
1172915;1435009885;mircea_popescu;the number of txn broadcast through one node used to be pretty much zero. i would guess by now it's over 10%. which is fucking insane.
1172916;1435009978;mircea_popescu;(for the amaterus : txn propagation has a lot in common with epidemiology, a topic recently trouched upon here. in any case : the spots where a transaction goes from "unknown" to "broadcast through one node" to "broadcast to the whole net" are interesting in the general case. and the first move thereof a very good measure of "quality", basically speaking the inverse of an infection's pathogenicity)
1172917;1435010055;mircea_popescu;(seeing how a transaction lives as such a finite interval before being included in a block, the % of txn that live as "known to one" vs the total "known to all" is of particular interest)
1172918;1435010221;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172679 actually, it's close to usual paymium price (and that's why i shop there)
1172919;1435010221;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 20:24:39; mike_c: only bug I see is euros are way overpriced.
1172920;1435010893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0003973 = 2.4434 BTC [-]
1172921;1435011099;jurov;!up sam0
1172922;1435011110;jurov;!up cardigm
1172923;1435011133;jurov;i implore theee, speak up
1172924;1435011165;mats;https://soundcloud.com/mellomusicgroup/lorange-jeremiah-jae-all-i-need-feat-gift-of-gab
1172925;1435011166;assbot;L'Orange \u0026 Jeremiah Jae - All I Need (feat. Gift Of Gab) by Mello Music Group | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rr4w2g )
1172926;1435011262;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWAK0J8Uhzk
1172927;1435011262;assbot;Meet Porter. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rr4J5R )
1172928;1435011279;mats;ill take a dog over a robot any day
1172929;1435011420;jurov;!up ag3nt_zer0
1172930;1435011443;jurov;!gettrust ag3nt_zer0
1172931;1435011444;assbot;Trust relationship from user jurov to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
1172932;1435011466;ag3nt_zer0;thanks and how goes it...?
1172933;1435011511;jurov;goes okay
1172934;1435011544;jurov;except maybe i found out i killed 88 hours in eulora in june
1172935;1435011549;mats;http://www.cem.me/20150621-pgp-poster.html
1172936;1435011550;assbot;PGP Poster - cem ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxwqHT )
1172937;1435011564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00039879 = 17.8259 BTC [+]
1172938;1435011571;mats;would buy this poster
1172939;1435011579;jurov;!rate ag3nt_zer0 1 n3w bl00d
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1172941;1435011582;mats;where's the nubs at
1172942;1435011587;mats;;;seen nubbins`
1172943;1435011587;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <nubbins`> o.O
1172944;1435011607;ag3nt_zer0;jurov: haha well it all ends badly so don't sweat it
1172945;1435011614;jurov;!v assbot:jurov.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:2e1c33c6523854294ce76c0385e143a9600c5e02c9164ae65268f0d12ed646f6
1172946;1435011614;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: n3w bl00d
1172947;1435011642;jurov;ohmy another talmudic scholar
1172948;1435011710;ag3nt_zer0;I notice that I am one of the few using the mangled substitution of numbers for characters... if this is crass I can change it haha... but is it possible to migrate my trust? probably not huh?
1172949;1435011727;trinque;who cares?
1172950;1435011735;ag3nt_zer0;haha a talmudic scholar
1172951;1435011741;trinque;u r n0t 2 1337 4 u5
1172952;1435011765;jurov;since you have no ratings yet, can just get a new key and register new acct
1172953;1435011773;jurov;but it's fine i guess
1172954;1435011857;ag3nt_zer0;hi trinque noce to see you
1172955;1435011950;ag3nt_zer0;is it possible that btc will have any positive effect on the wretched educational system?
1172956;1435012048;jurov;!s beatings
1172957;1435012049;assbot;74 results for 'beatings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beatings
1172958;1435012063;mats;the beatings will continue until morale improves
1172959;1435012089;trinque;also beatings for not giving out enough beatings
1172960;1435012092;trinque;meta-beatings if you will
1172961;1435012107;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: howdy bub
1172962;1435012108;mats;its beatings all the way down
1172963;1435012180;williamdunne;yo dawg..
1172964;1435012241;ag3nt_zer0;I am coming from the viewpoint of a non-castrated teacher that believes in the transmissibility of the flame - but sees the flame has been hijacked and perverted by the marxist fag multicultis
1172965;1435012296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.0003973 = 25.0895 BTC [-]
1172966;1435012296;jurov;you're t3ach3r?
1172967;1435012303;ag3nt_zer0;haha yeah
1172968;1435012306;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, not from /pol/ are you ?
1172969;1435012306;ag3nt_zer0;lament
1172970;1435012325;trinque;he's the second to last rhodesian
1172971;1435012358;ag3nt_zer0;cazalla: no, I don't know what that is
1172972;1435012394;williamdunne;ag3nt_zer0: 4chan board
1172973;1435012401;jurov;no, 8chan
1172974;1435012406;jurov;:D
1172975;1435012413;williamdunne;Sorry, both
1172976;1435012424;williamdunne;The politics board on many different imageboards
1172977;1435012438;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: seems to me you can't fix education in its present form.
1172978;1435012462;trinque;current system is predicated on the idea that mass production of "educated" is even possible
1172979;1435012491;trinque;amply treated here in many threads already
1172980;1435012492;trinque;!s education
1172981;1435012493;assbot;451 results for 'education' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=education
1172982;1435012500;ag3nt_zer0;oh ok great thansk
1172983;1435012517;williamdunne;Eh, seems like it is a good thing even if just at a primary level
1172984;1435012533;williamdunne;Although the whole no kid left behind thing is bullshit no matter the level
1172985;1435012534;trinque;williamdunne: sure and that primary level shouldn't be considered educated
1172986;1435012560;williamdunne;Sorry, misread as "education" as a wider group rather than educated
1172987;1435012581;ag3nt_zer0;yes, the system is fucked, but I wonder about the feasibility of something created entirely outside of it... maybe on a barge...
1172988;1435012586;trinque;heh!
1172989;1435012589;trinque;!s sealand
1172990;1435012590;assbot;15 results for 'sealand' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sealand
1172991;1435012618;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: worked for the scientologists though
1172992;1435012621;trinque;there's a cult that got places
1172993;1435012629;ag3nt_zer0;williamdunne: yes no matter what some will be left behind
1172994;1435012636;trinque;their tax exempt status is the greatest heist of all time
1172995;1435012638;trinque;or one of.
1172996;1435012673;trinque;no product, fanatics at your disposal, massive prices for your non-product, no taxes
1172997;1435012677;trinque;kidding me?
1172998;1435012691;williamdunne;ag3nt_zer0: Thats my point
1172999;1435012711;williamdunne;Oh
1173000;1435012715;williamdunne;ignore me
1173001;1435012731;trinque;and hell I'm only half kidding
1173002;1435012736;trinque;look at what those fucking nutbags pulled off
1173003;1435012951;cazalla;i guess 2 year data retention wasn't enough.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-22/governments-bill-to-block-foreign-piracy-websites-passes-senate/6565098
1173004;1435012952;assbot;Internet piracy: Federal Government's legislation to block websites passes Senate - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxyUpG )
1173005;1435012976;trinque;artifexd: save us obi wan kenobi
1173006;1435012997;ag3nt_zer0;anyone else see this?: http://news.google.com/news/url?sr=1&ct2=us%2F1_0_s_0_1_a&sa=t&usg=AFQjCNGXNGPBMfwnUjDkQ50881YdL1b3IQ&cid=52778884659320&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.techworm.net%2F2015%2F06%2Fgoogle-chrome-secretly-downloads-an-audio-listener-to-your-pc-that-can-snoop-on-you.html&ei=bo-IVainNMHsmALdxKO4Dw&rt=SECTION&vm=STANDARD&bvm=section&did=-2365193554698942914&sid=-2195956548148024079&ssid=cstm&at=dt0
1173007;1435012997;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bxz00D )
1173008;1435013010;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: yup, "ok google"
1173009;1435013022;trinque;just them doing their job, really
1173010;1435013066;jurov;!up blazes816
1173011;1435013099;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: given what an extraordinary intelligence asset google hypothetically "could" be it's inconceivable that they are not
1173012;1435013117;trinque;and the relationship is likely 5% official
1173013;1435013166;mats;is pretty well known schmidt is part of meta-nsa
1173014;1435013180;trinque;yeah
1173015;1435013193;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yes sure...
1173016;1435013241;mats;other statal regimes have realized google's sigint model beats deep packet inspection every time
1173017;1435013248;mats;so guess whats being built nao
1173018;1435013258;ag3nt_zer0;well, can't wait till maidsafe saves us all from that!... kidding
1173019;1435013394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00040169 = 9.0179 BTC [+] {2} 
1173020;1435013443;jurov;ag3nt_zer0: you can now !up yourself
1173021;1435013510;williamdunne;Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?
1173022;1435013544;williamdunne;Eh, looks like some code is happening at least
1173023;1435013545;williamdunne;https://github.com/maidsafe
1173024;1435013546;assbot;MaidSafe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDoR1A )
1173025;1435013579;williamdunne;this is *definitely* not an endorsement, I was simply wondering if they'd run with the money or if they were pretending to do something
1173026;1435013623;jurov;maybe both
1173027;1435013907;cazalla;crashing this plane.. with NO SURVIVORS! http://corporate.lot.com/pl/en/press-news?article=772922
1173028;1435013907;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDpgkA )
1173029;1435013933;cazalla;(hax0r3d planes)
1173030;1435014072;ag3nt_zer0;so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
1173031;1435014139;ag3nt_zer0;jaberwocky philosophy
1173032;1435014351;williamdunne;;;seen indiancandy1
1173033;1435014351;gribble;indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> i watched her documentry
1173034;1435014381;williamdunne;documentry
1173035;1435014382;williamdunne;lol
1173036;1435014427;trinque;williamdunne: did you ever get her keys squared? lol
1173037;1435014440;williamdunne;Nope, she never came back while I was still in the UK
1173038;1435014465;trinque;haha, just as well
1173039;1435014492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31153 @ 0.00041001 = 12.773 BTC [+] {2} 
1173040;1435014532;mats;http://yifan.lu/2015/06/21/hacking-the-ps-vita
1173041;1435014533;assbot;Yifan Lu | Hacking the PS Vita ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxBrjG )
1173042;1435014816;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: no offense but I have no idea what you just said
1173043;1435014911;trinque;care to restate?
1173044;1435015017;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: structuralism smacks of "that stolen-from is not your stolen-from; it's all of ours"
1173045;1435015046;trinque;an attempt of many to claim some aggregate which supercedes the individual
1173046;1435015091;trinque;so if it's one of those, oldest swindle there is
1173047;1435015139;trinque;I don't see anything new; talented people try to do interesting things, and others try to hold him back to varying degrees
1173048;1435015496;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far as i understand,
1173049;1435015500;ag3nt_zer0;agains tradition
1173050;1435015529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26060 @ 0.00041975 = 10.9387 BTC [+] {6} 
1173051;1435015556;ag3nt_zer0;I guess I am just trying to grasy what mp was excited about... it did seem like he saw a lot of light in the development, philosophically speaking
1173052;1435015564;ag3nt_zer0;nevermind I don't know what the hell
1173053;1435015590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94740 @ 0.00042304 = 40.0788 BTC [+]
1173054;1435015633;trinque;ah, you'll have to ask him then
1173055;1435015646;ag3nt_zer0;anyway it's just nice to be in a room that has some good heads in it...
1173056;1435015831;trinque;yep
1173057;1435015840;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: how do you define traditionalism?
1173058;1435015970;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
1173059;1435016001;ag3nt_zer0;Plato was a traditional philosopher
1173060;1435016164;trinque;it's interesting then to see humanism in contrast to that term, as humanism seems to imagine this platonic form of "human" which we all resemble, and are therefore intrinsically valuable somehow
1173061;1435016176;ag3nt_zer0;it is really perennial traditionalism, or perennialism that I am thinking of
1173062;1435016283;ag3nt_zer0;well I suppose one way to english the difference is that a traditional orientation would be vertical (upward, toward the absolute, what not), vs horizontal (man is measure of all things and human contentment and "happiness" main goals)
1173063;1435016439;trinque;I tend to be wary of systems that try to provide a taxonomy of human action
1173064;1435016507;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: I see roughly what you're pointing at; what do you make of it?
1173065;1435016528;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: still making of it hehe
1173066;1435016534;punkman;http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/06/part3topnew.jpg
1173067;1435016535;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhjEQr )
1173068;1435016540;asciilifeform;in other news, happy 22nd june, actual-start-of-ww2-day, to all.
1173069;1435016567;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: more pointedly, I tend to assume that where someone makes broad generalizations about "being", they've actually given me a command
1173070;1435016601;trinque;and I tend to interpret it along those lines, rather than there actually existing some transcendental realm where concepts exist, dance about, generating meaning
1173071;1435016729;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: well the stuff of matter must rest upon something, no?
1173072;1435016746;trinque;thought that which matter rests upon was an open question
1173073;1435016852;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: are you a mathematical person?
1173074;1435016866;ag3nt_zer0;are you interested in mathematics?
1173075;1435016890;trinque;I'm just a derpy guy with very little formal education.
1173076;1435016920;ag3nt_zer0;haha which means you have been subjected to less lobotomy
1173077;1435016945;trinque;somewhat; though I will not tell the future students of the republic's university to do otherwise
1173078;1435017180;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: this is what's up my butt... maybe I am obsolete but my intellection seems to have plateaued here: http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.pdf
1173079;1435017184;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhkQDg )
1173080;1435017281;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: thanks, I'll put it in my queue to read
1173081;1435017378;ag3nt_zer0;np
1173082;1435018701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19269 @ 0.00041165 = 7.9321 BTC [-]
1173083;1435019419;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr
1173084;1435019843;trinque;ag3nt_zer0: having read the foreward, looks interesting; I'll probably have it read in a few days
1173085;1435019872;trinque;I will say that the author's metaphysical end of the world may not be the only one transpiring
1173086;1435019924;trinque;the best crises are, I'm sure, a nice blend of irl and metaphysical destruction
1173087;1435020050;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172386 << aye
1173088;1435020050;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:07; ascii_field: i will remind readers that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
1173089;1435020066;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172388 << aye
1173090;1435020066;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:18; ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
1173091;1435020087;ben_vulpes;i let my thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed
1173092;1435020164;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1173093;1435020402;Vexual;!up SuchWow
1173094;1435020479;Vexual;anyone in norther lats got aurora?
1173095;1435020576;ben_vulpes;!up SuchWow
1173096;1435020623;williamdunne;Wow
1173097;1435020836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89665 @ 0.00042304 = 37.9319 BTC [+]
1173098;1435021409;ag3nt_zer0;trinque: yes the best apocalypse is total!
1173099;1435021411;ag3nt_zer0;haha
1173100;1435023355;mats;ha, just noticed asciilifeform's comment when reviewing my ratings
1173101;1435023370;mats;for the record i am not a reverse engineer, my interests are narrowly tailored to exploitation
1173102;1435023995;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it would by the very fact of connecting. shows you its ip
1173103;1435024478;mircea_popescu;https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25625347/PGP_Pub.png << yeah that's pretty great.
1173104;1435024481;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7q4ka )
1173105;1435024604;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 ironically enough, im sure teaching will be fine. schools tho... hard to say.
1173106;1435024750;thestringpuller;What's this bullshit I'm hearing Gavin has 75% (supermajority) support of "the community" on his stupid BIP?
1173107;1435024759;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173030 << ahh, such sweet logs await you in the logs.
1173108;1435024759;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 23:01:12; ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
1173109;1435024774;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: everytime you shoot this nigga in the head he comes back to fucking life.
1173110;1435024776;mircea_popescu;down from the 100% he thought he had back in janaury ?
1173111;1435024808;mircea_popescu;since we're making up numbers, i would say he needs to have at least 8megapercent support, or else his support won't scale.
1173112;1435024813;asciilifeform;'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'
1173113;1435024861;mircea_popescu;funny that derps using numbers like retarded children use playdo should at any point expect to be engaged by sane people as if serious.
1173114;1435024862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2520 @ 0.00041175 = 1.0376 BTC [-]
1173115;1435024892;*;asciilifeform unpacks crate of east german z80 clones, counts, puts on shelf
1173116;1435024899;thestringpuller;this is what scares me! kids with guns are still dangerous (even if it just them shooting each other)
1173117;1435025085;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: kids throwing own turds are only 'dangerous' to the orderlies, and this only if the latter forgot their mask
1173118;1435025185;thestringpuller;in the even there are no orderlies? everyone gets pegged with poo?
1173119;1435025245;mod6;it's a shit blizzard, Randy.
1173120;1435025287;thestringpuller;you need to get off the liquor mister leahy
1173121;1435025307;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: 2 items for consideration: 1) what version string is to be used in the first public therealbitcoin nodes? the current one doesn't seem appropriate 2) anyone have existing nodes (of whatever variety) to 'get a light' from? i'd prefer these to 'wild' mysterymeat
1173122;1435025310;mod6;I am the liquor, bobandy.
1173123;1435025519;mod6;asciilifeform: 1) don't have anything to add to this discussion atm. although, we can have it again if you like. 2) I don't have anything going atm; The working nodes (on deb6) are down because i'm working on the gentoo gcc stuff right now.
1173124;1435025582;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/xDGYGZV.jpg << for all the people using cloud as a buzzword
1173125;1435025582;mod6;The patch we got from that mailing list was from a different version for sure than 4.8.4 -- so i've had to hack it in by hand.  gentoo is now applying the patch properly.  and it's compiling as we speak.  there is one caviat that I need to get over before I can test it though.
1173126;1435025611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 190.172.13.251
1173127;1435025613;asciilifeform;mod6: not looking for earth-shaking ideas, but release was 0.5.3.1, and the thing about to be fielded is clearly something quite else, imho needs a new name, at least new ver. 2) ~somebody~'s gotta have a seed
1173128;1435025618;mod6;ah there you go.
1173129;1435025618;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu answered 2!
1173130;1435025618;asciilifeform;ty
1173131;1435025712;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: yeah i am looking for alternatives that's why I asked about btc and ed... is this question a simple "where does the trust lie?"... btw you know those cuddle-puddle poddies they have all the students arranged in now? You know, the ingenious design that promotes cheating and distraction and love? Those are fucking MANDATORY in some districts... teachers couldn't sit them all facing forward if they wanted
1173132;1435025714;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 0.5.4, 0.6, whichever.
1173133;1435025738;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 but have ye read the logs ?
1173134;1435025738;*;asciilifeform still in the process of sawing out the irc sync mechanism. after this, will have to see whether the deterministic-build thing actually works (my last attempt using therealbitcoin's 'official' script died in agony on account of gcc strange)
1173135;1435025746;mod6;If we add in (officially the following): { Orphanage Thermonuke, TX Orphanage Amputation, { All DNS Thermonyukyooar Patches } }, I'd say that'd be a new milestone.  And I'd propose to call it 0.5.3.2
1173136;1435025754;asciilifeform;^ why not.
1173137;1435025758;mircea_popescu;0.5.3.2 works
1173138;1435025774;mircea_popescu;tho kinda long imo. nobody should need 4 digits of versioning
1173139;1435025788;mircea_popescu;unless, of course, they're from ms. then they need 8. or unl;ess they're running boost and qt.
1173140;1435025796;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: yes some, not enough, far from done...
1173141;1435025797;mod6;haha
1173142;1435025814;asciilifeform;imho we oughta cleanly break with the gavinists' versioning sequence (e.g., 31337.1)
1173143;1435025817;mircea_popescu;make it 5.4, good enough
1173144;1435025821;mircea_popescu;why ?
1173145;1435025836;asciilifeform;for one thing, would piss on their 'too old' detection mechanism
1173146;1435025840;asciilifeform;widely deployed among unsuspecting folks
1173147;1435025842;mircea_popescu;this is the sequence, logically. buncha derps made some rejected "versions", who cares what they numbered them as ?
1173148;1435025849;mircea_popescu;folks should suspect more.
1173149;1435025862;asciilifeform;was there a turdalicious 5.4 ?
1173150;1435025869;mircea_popescu;what idiots did can not now, nor ever be a consideration.
1173151;1435025879;mod6;well, there isn't a previous version 5.4 -- stops after 5.3 and goes right to 6... so i guess that could work.
1173152;1435025887;mircea_popescu;i'm not going to not name something america because obama.
1173153;1435025888;asciilifeform;idk, what hogs do is in some circumstances a consideration at meat plant
1173154;1435025905;asciilifeform;5.4 works
1173155;1435025912;mircea_popescu;so then, that.
1173156;1435025913;mod6;let's let ben weigh in here.
1173157;1435025934;asciilifeform;again, i'm not about to fire it quite yet. probably needs another evening or two of massage.
1173158;1435025964;mod6;oh hey, i think my patch built ok...
1173159;1435025978;mod6;now to find out if it actually /works/ XD
1173160;1435026077;mod6;if this works out, it'll be my first official gcc hack
1173161;1435026167;mod6;of course... there is the entire question on the table at this point about the "gentoo sanity" patches.
1173162;1435026194;mod6;before we cut a new milestone, i'd like to have this sucker up and running on gentoo with uclibc & patched with the "gentoo sanity" patches as well.
1173163;1435026209;mod6;then we can finally go off of a version that we support, etc.
1173164;1435026238;mod6;(basically, I'm just saying those patches should have been included in my list above)
1173165;1435026309;mod6;oh, and I keep hitting an additional problem aside from what the "gentoo sanitiy" resolves.  i've been holding off submitting a patch for it until I can get this thing actually compiled and working.
1173166;1435026421;mod6;(have been having to add `#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS \ #include <stdint.h>` to the start of net.cpp, util.cpp, and wallet.cpp for some bizzare reason)
1173167;1435026446;asciilifeform;^ that's what i was talking about re: the deterministic build script
1173168;1435026447;mircea_popescu;aha
1173169;1435026485;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is pretty good progress and intel seems to indicate you're actually ahead of the curve, so, dun stress.
1173170;1435026502;*;asciilifeform curious re: 'the curve'
1173171;1435026517;*;asciilifeform wonders how many folks, toiling in forgotten pestholes, have walked same path
1173172;1435026640;mircea_popescu;not that curve. the "o noes, 75% support" curve.
1173173;1435026895;mod6;eh, guess i spoke too soon: my patch comiled in nicely... and much much later in the entire compile process gcc hangs on libcpp: http://dpaste.com/3XZH8PZ.txt
1173174;1435026897;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxNmyp )
1173175;1435026904;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173048 << do not define, or even think about, things in terms of other things. it is a horrible habit and a path to idiocy.
1173176;1435026904;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 23:24:56; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far
1173177;1435026930;mircea_popescu;structuralism is the proposition that elements of human culture are defined by their relationships to other elements.
1173178;1435026949;mircea_popescu;this is a complex point not accessible to the novice, and so nothing to be taken cavallierly.
1173179;1435027265;mod6;maybe something in my few repeated builds hosed something up.  the /work/ dir does seem to get blown away every time.
1173180;1435027274;mod6;smh
1173181;1435027346;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173058 << this is idealism. and a very idealistic definition to boot, wtf is "orientation towards". like, when i take a piss i'm orientated towards the urinal ?
1173182;1435027346;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 23:32:50; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: shotgun definition: orientation toward a suprahuman or transcendental "dimension"
1173183;1435027364;mircea_popescu;!up liquidassets
1173184;1435027455;Hasimir;or to put it another way (re: structuralism), everything is interconnected ...
1173185;1435027459;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: yeah ok, after looking up structuralism, I was just hung up on the idea that if humanism is constructed on erroneous principles, and is structuralism is a reaction to humanism... then its just doubly wayward...
1173186;1435027476;mod6;here's the gcc 4.8.4 patch in question (gcc needs to be patched with Gentoo/uclibc/PIE patches beforehand): http://dpaste.com/0QHZ59X.txt
1173187;1435027477;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJejVr )
1173188;1435027479;mircea_popescu;of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made.
1173189;1435027493;mircea_popescu;to say that any paradigm is flawed is not to say very much at all.
1173190;1435027505;ag3nt_zer0;so maybe with a post-post-post the ship eventually by chance faces due north
1173191;1435027511;mircea_popescu;it'd be interesting if you can show how its flaws impede its intended results and how can they be cheaply remedied.
1173192;1435027514;Hasimir;"these sorts of things have happened before and have always been attributable to human error."
1173193;1435027527;mod6;i'm gonna nuke that machine again and try to compile it again with the patch. see if it works. if not, i'll just see if it'll even compile gcc itself.
1173194;1435027545;mircea_popescu;mod6 i didn't know la serenissima had nukes :D
1173195;1435027625;mod6;just of the bitwise persuasion :]
1173196;1435027630;mircea_popescu;hehe
1173197;1435027714;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 the entire thing started with the absolutely correct observation that words have i nfact no meanings, not anymore than any one website has google pagerank. a theoretical model was proposed where meaning of all words is produced through iteration, exactly in the same manner pr is calculated (and this is why google used to be notable - it implemented a major tenet of culture at the time)
1173198;1435027723;mod6;so one of the reasons i'm being kidna hard-headed about 4.8.4; i'm worried that with a downlevel version such as 3.7 or whatever, that there might not even exist a set of patches (such as Gentoo/uclibc/PIE) that are required for Gentoo -- might be a whole seperate ball of wax & problems.
1173199;1435027753;mircea_popescu;this model is very stupid, notwithstanding interesting results it produces in some cases, and the failure of google exactly illustrates the failures of the model.
1173200;1435027757;mod6;so if we get this one to work, i think that's our best/easiest path, currently.
1173201;1435027822;mircea_popescu;post-post-structuralism is in no sense and to no degree a return to "Traditionalism", which is strictly distinct from the humanism the original structuralism was supposedly a reaction to. it is merely the observation of coexistence : the stupid generate their pseudo-meanings out of iteration, the smart (i've called these before language creators) have thei own dictionaries, the two categories interplay in praxis.
1173202;1435027841;mircea_popescu;(praxis being the usage of a language, or more properly, representational system)
1173203;1435027912;mircea_popescu;and traditionalism, for the record, is the fundamentally correct observation that there can not be such a thing as a new phenomenon, and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens.
1173204;1435027954;mircea_popescu;stuff like taleb is a much more damaging criticism of traditionalism than structuralism ever was or could aspire to be.
1173205;1435028035;mircea_popescu;(and humanism is the proposition, beyond naive, that there exists an universal aspect to everything which is immediately accessible to people. if this sounds stupid well... it's because humanism, like any socialist ideology, is made by the stupid for the use of the stupid)
1173206;1435028091;mircea_popescu;at its core, humanism is the proposition not that there exists a saint peter by the pearly gates, nor that he would understand your language, but that ~you~ would understand ~his~,
1173207;1435028101;mircea_popescu;or for that matter even recognize pearly gates if you saw 'em.
1173208;1435028126;mircea_popescu;which is exactly contradictory to the hermetic tradition, nothing else. (which no, is not simply "jewish")
1173209;1435028217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00041206 = 5.2682 BTC [+]
1173210;1435028392;mircea_popescu;so now you're in a position to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if there exists something that is in fact inaccessible, then there can be no such thing as "humanism", and thus therefore socialism is just stupid, rather than being what the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal.
1173211;1435028441;mircea_popescu;and this is also why "social mobility" is such a big deal, representationally, notwithstanding the nonsense it is in practice, and why the worst thing you can do is kick a black dude out of your clubhouse or whatever.
1173212;1435028744;mircea_popescu;and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ?
1173213;1435028980;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: thanks for the response... I am confused about this: "and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens." -is this how traditionalist discourse treat phenomena? exclusively historically? and also: you say taleb can provide a damaging critique of traditionalism? May I kindly ask, whose? What authors/thinkers
1173214;1435028998;mircea_popescu;principally historically.
1173215;1435029004;mircea_popescu;have you read nassim taleb ?
1173216;1435029010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86400 @ 0.00041206 = 35.602 BTC [+]
1173217;1435029024;ag3nt_zer0;no, but due to reading something you wrote I have started the black swan
1173218;1435029048;ag3nt_zer0;...begun
1173219;1435029059;mircea_popescu;aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.
1173220;1435029069;Hasimir;the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
1173221;1435029072;mircea_popescu;(this also is why nobody seems to ever want to engage him)
1173222;1435029082;Hasimir;so much for that theory ....
1173223;1435029085;mircea_popescu;Hasimir well you live in a place that doesn't exist anyway >D
1173224;1435029091;Hasimir;heheh
1173225;1435029097;Hasimir;fair point
1173226;1435029258;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 you familiar with the fantabulous history of the gauss copula ?
1173227;1435029372;ag3nt_zer0;haha no
1173228;1435029376;ag3nt_zer0;sounds good
1173229;1435029426;mircea_popescu;hm. well, do you know what technical analysis is ?
1173230;1435029539;ag3nt_zer0;can't say that I formally do
1173231;1435029593;ag3nt_zer0;what am i talking, yes I do
1173232;1435029594;ag3nt_zer0;not well
1173233;1435029619;mircea_popescu;mkay. there is this psychogenically-driven assumption in financial circles that the past may be used to evaluate future risk. this is incredibly stupid and absolutely perennial (the only thing perennial in human cultural history is stupidity, by the way - smart stuff has no root)
1173234;1435029629;ag3nt_zer0;but i understand that it is used to analyze financial information, particularly in markets
1173235;1435029666;mircea_popescu;in any case, THAT is traditionalism for you. between "nobody went out of business buying ibm" and "our gauss copulae indicate the future will be rosy", crash after crash and disaster after disaster.
1173236;1435029722;mircea_popescu;and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.
1173237;1435029725;mircea_popescu;but such is life.
1173238;1435029803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106080 @ 0.00041175 = 43.6784 BTC [-]
1173239;1435029835;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173066 << check em out, the original windows wizards. to think idiots of all stripes today still try to "be zatko"
1173240;1435029835;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 23:42:14; punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/06/part3topnew.jpg
1173241;1435029848;mircea_popescu;i imagine that's gavin's wet dream, if anything.
1173242;1435029954;ag3nt_zer0;ok. but I am under the impression that at the core of traditionalism are simply metaphysical absolutes... for instance, "the greater cannot proceed from the lesser" - there is one absolute source, be it languaged in a number of ways, etc...
1173243;1435029991;mircea_popescu;the why is the controlling aspect, not the what.
1173244;1435030009;mod6;does that guy have a Matryoshka doll tie?!
1173245;1435030027;*;mod6 laughs
1173246;1435030115;trinque;bahaha who the fuck adopts "Oblivion" but keeps "Brian"
1173247;1435030349;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead
1173248;1435030356;mircea_popescu;it is ?
1173249;1435030360;asciilifeform;go, connect.
1173250;1435030368;*;mircea_popescu looks into.
1173251;1435030558;*;asciilifeform notices that certain nodes in the wild... won't return the genesis block!!
1173252;1435030657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29935 @ 0.00041181 = 12.3275 BTC [+] {2} 
1173253;1435030718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29765 @ 0.00042314 = 12.5948 BTC [+] {2} 
1173254;1435031106;mod6;ok weird. same exact error as last time after complete nuke.  tomorrow i'll nuke again and see if gcc will compile without the patch.
1173255;1435031139;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1173256;1435031144;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
1173257;1435031145;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html
1173258;1435031146;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ib7iYV )
1173259;1435031152;asciilifeform;'(EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump.'
1173260;1435031308;*;mod6 looks
1173261;1435031320;asciilifeform;^ precisely what is printed on the box. but all plz read
1173262;1435031420;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173220 <<< are you from down under?
1173263;1435031420;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
1173264;1435031446;cazalla;actually forget it, we had this conversation a few weeks ago
1173265;1435031460;mod6;ah and it bumps the version too
1173266;1435031542;asciilifeform;unless someone notices serious problems, this is what will be built (using deterministic build process) and fielded on the first public node
1173267;1435031586;mod6;thanks for your work on this asciilifeform!
1173268;1435031592;asciilifeform;np
1173269;1435031624;asciilifeform;i would like to ask the fine gentlemen to read this and the antecedents (ben_vulpes has a pretty good review on his www)
1173270;1435031635;mod6;im hoping I can figure something out with gcc tomorrow.  if I don't get anywhere, perhaps time to cut bait and head in a different direction.
1173271;1435031675;mod6;i've read the patches and ben's review on his blog.  i'll be writing up a summary of my own in the SoBA at the end of the month.
1173272;1435031682;asciilifeform;neato
1173273;1435031694;mod6;(same sort of deal as last month)
1173274;1435031747;asciilifeform;btw i will note (in case this wasn't clear) that i test-fire everything i post
1173275;1435031751;asciilifeform;prior to posting
1173276;1435031756;mod6;*nod*
1173277;1435031761;asciilifeform;(this does not excuse other folks from test!)
1173278;1435031780;mod6;as soon as I can, i'll be sure to patch everything in the order specified and kick off a full regression cycle.
1173279;1435031795;asciilifeform;here's a thought:
1173280;1435031801;asciilifeform;deleting crud from bitcoin is so much fun,
1173281;1435031809;asciilifeform;almost sorry we're running short on things to axe.
1173282;1435031831;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1173283;1435031866;Vexual;stones no longer safe on earth
1173284;1435031880;asciilifeform;'every program contains at least one bug. every program can be reduced by at least one line. ergo, every program can be reduced to precisely one line - which doesn't work.' (dijkstra?)
1173285;1435031999;asciilifeform;astute readers will notice that proposed 5.4 does not permit externalip to be altered at runtime.
1173286;1435032005;asciilifeform;does anyone consider this a problem?
1173287;1435032008;asciilifeform;please write in.
1173288;1435032064;*;asciilifeform hoses off chopping block, washing off blood, piss, feathers, from today's gavins
1173289;1435032356;thestringpuller;so i'm on this 1000 calorie deficit diet which requires me to burn an extra 1000 calories a day. damn this shit is no joke.
1173290;1435032365;thestringpuller;eating 2000 calories and burning 3000
1173291;1435032418;Vexual;;;later tell Naphex poker sites, or a pokerstars hat
1173292;1435032419;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1173293;1435032498;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who is still using testnet? and for what?
1173294;1435032658;Vexual;thestringpuller: you oughta burn more than 3k
1173295;1435032722;Vexual;eat 10 burn 5
1173296;1435032728;Vexual;or 10
1173297;1435032766;Vexual;enless you wanna live to 100
1173298;1435032862;Vexual;protip: you don't
1173299;1435032970;Vexual;72 is ideal
1173300;1435033033;Vexual;viagra still works, and you can ride a scooter inn italy
1173301;1435033157;Vexual;.baito
1173302;1435033306;Vexual;mp any more pasta girls?
1173303;1435033341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65350 @ 0.00042328 = 27.6613 BTC [+]
1173304;1435033346;Vexual;trinque>?
1173305;1435033646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85650 @ 0.00040335 = 34.5469 BTC [-] {3} 
1173306;1435034172;thestringpuller;!up Vexual
1173307;1435034312;Vexual;you must be pretty fucking sitstill to only burn 3000
1173308;1435034360;Vexual;i dont see it
1173309;1435034417;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aw i was going to cut that one out meself
1173310;1435034454;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: regarding build script: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh
1173311;1435034455;assbot;a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9cUCd )
1173312;1435034656;Vexual;no money, no family
1173313;1435034699;Vexual;setgen true
1173314;1435034799;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: if i'd like to bootstrap a thermonuke off your previously mentioned node, do i need whitelisting?
1173315;1435034867;Vexual;add it
1173316;1435035235;Vexual;www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M
1173317;1435035265;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html << well since this thermonuked node refuses to attach to any others, i may as well roll this patch in
1173318;1435035266;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9fKHq )
1173319;1435035310;Vexual;corvette muzique
1173320;1435035474;ben_vulpes;Vexual: myeah nice
1173321;1435035493;Vexual;do you even mine << pank
1173322;1435035622;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead << confirmed
1173323;1435035662;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ben_vulpes well it seems an entire intricacy with stacked nat routers
1173324;1435035693;mircea_popescu;im evidently not set up to support teh esteemed efforts of the republic over here. working on it.
1173325;1435035793;mircea_popescu;testnet does not have any actual uses as it is.
1173326;1435035834;Vexual;!up george its open
1173327;1435036008;ben_vulpes;furthermore it's diverged significantly in behavior from 'mainnet'
1173328;1435036045;thestringpuller;!up Vexual
1173329;1435036056;mircea_popescu;it has, which is what makes it useless.
1173330;1435036091;mats;it'd be great if you all would assess how drunk Vexual is before upping him
1173331;1435036091;Vexual;good luck forking testnet
1173332;1435036106;Vexual;maxint always friend
1173333;1435036115;ben_vulpes;it's just another altcoin at this point
1173334;1435036122;ben_vulpes;mats: i do it just to annoy you
1173335;1435036130;ben_vulpes;and dearest kako
1173336;1435036152;mircea_popescu;assess how, balmer point ?
1173337;1435036225;mats;sure
1173338;1435036228;ben_vulpes;complex differential eqns those
1173339;1435036255;ben_vulpes;hey pete d'you have a node to throw into la serenissima's syncing party?
1173340;1435036280;pete_dushenski;there's a syncing party ?
1173341;1435036298;*;pete_dushenski scrolls up
1173342;1435036382;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173112 << lol. like the derps at the city here who 'improved asphalt techmologee' by making is less durable.
1173343;1435036382;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 02:00:13; asciilifeform: 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'
1173344;1435036574;ben_vulpes;"your share of bitcoin has increased from n/21e9 to n/42e9"
1173345;1435036912;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay ? i have a 0.7.2 at 222'868
1173346;1435037332;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173219 << quite so. taleb blames 'the bankers' and 'the revolving door between federal politics and megacorp industry' while failing to take his accusations to their next logical step : popular democracy.
1173347;1435037332;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 03:10:59; mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.
1173348;1435037361;pete_dushenski;taleb's too much a protector of the people to see them as the source of all evil.
1173349;1435037377;pete_dushenski;this, despite being a notable proponent of burke.
1173350;1435037416;pete_dushenski;and burke, to my reading, is no fan of the common man and an advocate of monarchy.
1173351;1435037567;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173236 << myea. 'shouting at the rocks'
1173352;1435037567;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 03:22:02; mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.
1173353;1435037707;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173220 << canberra ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/stalking-black-swans-in-canberra-the-city-of-plans/
1173354;1435037707;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
1173355;1435037709;assbot;Stalking Black Swans In Canberra: The City Of Plans | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqJVg1 )
1173356;1435037762;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay << no.
1173357;1435037773;mircea_popescu;but it has to be on a publicly accessible ip, port 8333 open
1173358;1435037860;pete_dushenski;aha
1173359;1435038496;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173353 <<< nah, he's from melb
1173360;1435038496;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 05:35:07; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173220 << canberra ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/stalking-black-swans-in-canberra-the-city-of-plans/
1173361;1435038578;pete_dushenski;cazalla: ah yes, home of csirac and that very bizarrely shaped costco store
1173362;1435038626;cazalla;ya know they include that in real estate ads here now.. "close to schools, transport, costco"
1173363;1435038677;pete_dushenski;you're like america jr. jr. the third !
1173364;1435038733;cazalla;yeah, i never thought i'd see ham planets walking into costco with my own eyes.. i should snap some pics for BingoBoingo
1173365;1435038778;pete_dushenski;i'm sure he'd appreciate it, if for no other reason than as a reminder than the usistan isn't alone in sucking.
1173366;1435038792;pete_dushenski;s/than/that
1173367;1435038997;cazalla;but we have lil' china, lil' italy, so why not large america?
1173368;1435039072;pete_dushenski;makes sense given how much more physical space each american occupies compared to each italian and chinaman
1173369;1435039739;cazalla;!up Keefe
1173370;1435040294;mircea_popescu;cazalla do you use info@qntra.net ?
1173371;1435040301;cazalla;nope
1173372;1435040384;mircea_popescu;buncha emails outbound.
1173373;1435040446;cazalla;spam?
1173374;1435040501;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1173375;1435040683;cazalla;lol 250mb of it
1173376;1435041115;mircea_popescu;so didja lose a pw or what ?
1173377;1435041149;cazalla;what do you mean
1173378;1435041253;mircea_popescu;how did someone end up sending spam off qntra server is what i mean
1173379;1435041314;cazalla;would appear it started around june 14th of this month
1173380;1435041335;cazalla;to the best of my knowledge i've not leaked the password
1173381;1435041356;mircea_popescu;i see june 22
1173382;1435041492;ag3nt_zer0;I should probably just keep digging, but in reading the logs dated late 2013 I see concerns raised that another bubble is fine as long as it doesn't go to 1k... and this was not too long after people were getting warnings that btc wasn't worth more than $130... why was it bad for it to go to 1k or past, and given all this craziness, how do I deduce what would be a current fair price to make a relatively wise investment? I
1173383;1435041505;ag3nt_zer0;liquidated thinking it will continue to sink...
1173384;1435041551;cazalla;mircea_popescu, http://i.imgur.com/KjnyoQA.png 8000 or so of those beginning june 14th
1173385;1435041552;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwFpVX )
1173386;1435041572;cazalla;pages that is
1173387;1435041576;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck
1173388;1435041581;mircea_popescu;dude....
1173389;1435041693;cazalla;can't you check logs to see who logged in on that day and few proceeding it?
1173390;1435041734;mircea_popescu;i dun have your pws.
1173391;1435041777;cazalla;you must because you gpg'd the new one to me when servers went down after the dmca bullshits with trilema
1173392;1435041792;mircea_popescu;you think i keep all that ?
1173393;1435041798;mircea_popescu;at any rate, delete that account.
1173394;1435041821;mircea_popescu;see if you have new php files anywhere, etc.
1173395;1435042028;cazalla;isn't this just a case of someone (likely guy who ddos joiners here) sending out spam from another server but spoofing return address so qntra email gets hammered with delivery fail spam?
1173396;1435042040;cazalla;has qntra server even been sending mail?
1173397;1435042118;mircea_popescu;a) no and b) actually, my server is sending email because somehow someoine signs in as info@qntra and i naively faield to disallow qntra account from sending email
1173398;1435042178;mircea_popescu;did you create that account ?
1173399;1435042196;cazalla;don't remember but likely
1173400;1435042351;cazalla;can't log in to cpanel to delete email addy now
1173401;1435042363;mircea_popescu;didja give it a strong pw ?
1173402;1435042397;cazalla;whatever cpanel autogenerates
1173403;1435042536;mircea_popescu;Authentication:dovecot_login
1173404;1435042542;mircea_popescu;apparently they guessed your pw.
1173405;1435042670;cazalla;for info@qntra.net?
1173406;1435042755;cazalla;you'd wanna make sure because i don't, and have not, created my own passwords for some time
1173407;1435042808;cazalla;nor do i have a passwords.txt sitting on the desktop
1173408;1435042826;mircea_popescu;i dunno how i'd make sure of such a thing.
1173409;1435043223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80651 @ 0.00042358 = 34.1622 BTC [+] {3} 
1173410;1435043619;mircea_popescu;fucking mess.
1173411;1435043635;mircea_popescu;1(213.17.193.245)[188.252.64.178] info@qntra.net spamfight.mdsnet.it[81.208.4.144]
1173412;1435043646;mircea_popescu;1([127.0.0.1])[113.165.162.6] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.133.26]
1173413;1435043657;mircea_popescu;1(actorsivakumar.com)[69.162.107.83] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com
1173414;1435043660;mircea_popescu;etc etc etFUCKINGc
1173415;1435044531;cazalla;not much new in backups i've made so no new php files http://dpaste.com/1NNK6CK.txt
1173416;1435044532;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J1wJuL )
1173417;1435044676;mircea_popescu;yeah it's not a php thing, seems 100% certain it simply guessed the credentials for that acct, used them for pop3
1173418;1435044898;cazalla;i might've used something weak when creating it but again, it's not something i do so i don't really know what else to say
1173419;1435045063;mircea_popescu;well, i deleted > 50k messages from queue, the email in question, and hopefully gmail, yahoo and everyone else will at some point forget the fact that i spammed them to shit for the first time in my life.
1173420;1435045110;cazalla;mail serv on same ip as qntra because i dont see it in any ban lists yet
1173421;1435045130;mircea_popescu;no.
1173422;1435045713;cazalla;so when you say guessed the credentials, has the person simply guessed the password or had a hash of it and cracked that?
1173423;1435045843;mircea_popescu;most likely the former.
1173424;1435047266;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://dpaste.com/36H4FD1 < new pw
1173425;1435047268;assbot;dpaste: 36H4FD1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaAVuC )
1173426;1435047423;mircea_popescu;Jun 23 02:27:40 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<info@qntra.net>, method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=10940, secured, session=<K5i5f
1173427;1435047428;mircea_popescu;definitely was broken pw.
1173428;1435047741;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIJ2ROsUAAIHwJ7.png
1173429;1435047742;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaBXqu )
1173430;1435047981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258100 @ 0.00041448 = 106.9773 BTC [-] {6} 
1173431;1435048048;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/#selection-103.1-103.32
1173432;1435048049;assbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fy84Jo )
1173433;1435048859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform looks like i'm going to have a (full chain) bitcoin up in a coupla days.
1173434;1435048889;mircea_popescu;this is an up to date historical (2011) copy of the blockchain.
1173435;1435050909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66601 @ 0.00042624 = 28.388 BTC [+] {2} 
1173436;1435050970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17849 @ 0.00042824 = 7.6437 BTC [+]
1173437;1435052007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00042824 = 34.8159 BTC [+]
1173438;1435056181;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna do a 50 eur payment for me ?
1173439;1435056583;fluffypony;credit card or wire?
1173440;1435056621;mircea_popescu;paypal o.O
1173441;1435056633;mircea_popescu;derpy blender foundation lives in 2001
1173442;1435056641;fluffypony;sure
1173443;1435056645;fluffypony;pm me detials
1173444;1435056647;fluffypony;*details
1173445;1435056661;mircea_popescu;https://www.blender.org/foundation/development-fund/ << do a platinum thing
1173446;1435056662;assbot;  Development Fund - blender.org - Home of the Blender project - Free and Open 3D Creation Software  ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiAuy5 )
1173447;1435056683;fluffypony;kk
1173448;1435056708;mircea_popescu;ask them to credit it as <a href=http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-april-may-2015-combined-statement/#selection-455.0-455.21>Eulora</a>, a MMORPG by S.MG
1173449;1435056729;fluffypony;ok looks like it'll be a subscription, so it's 50 EUR/month that comes off PP automagically till I cancel it
1173450;1435056741;mircea_popescu;kk.
1173451;1435056761;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you in reasonable advance when to cancel it.
1173452;1435056788;fluffypony;Your purchase was successfulPayments By PayPal
1173453;1435056789;fluffypony;DescriptionTermsAmount
1173454;1435056789;fluffypony;Blender Development Fund
1173455;1435056789;fluffypony;€50.00 EUR for each month
1173456;1435056789;fluffypony;Effective Date: 23 Jun 2015€50.00 EUR
1173457;1435056800;mircea_popescu;cool. what's the damage and send addy.
1173458;1435056834;fluffypony;let me email them the link, gimme a sec
1173459;1435056852;mircea_popescu;no rush.
1173460;1435057027;fluffypony;hokay emailed
1173461;1435057038;fluffypony;FNB :-) R710.38 reserved for purchase @ Paypal *blenderfund from cheq a/c
1173462;1435057046;mircea_popescu;fnb ?
1173463;1435057052;fluffypony;bank
1173464;1435057061;mircea_popescu;aha
1173465;1435057062;fluffypony;https://bitx.co says 1 BTC = ZAR 3 394
1173466;1435057062;assbot;BitX ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwiJq6 )
1173467;1435057070;mircea_popescu;uh
1173468;1435057091;mircea_popescu;that's... 10x ?
1173469;1435057132;fluffypony;0.2093 BTC
1173470;1435057140;mircea_popescu;oh, 3.4k nm
1173471;1435057161;mircea_popescu;yeh sounds about right
1173472;1435057166;fluffypony;1s2fF7uw5Fsh5Dzu7mP7ccbKM9jFZk89q
1173473;1435057175;mircea_popescu;aite, you'll have it in a few.
1173474;1435057177;fluffypony;tks
1173475;1435057182;mircea_popescu;nono, ty.
1173476;1435057217;fluffypony;pleasure
1173477;1435060426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00040353 = 31.6368 BTC [-] {2} 
1173478;1435060974;fluffypony;lol
1173479;1435060976;fluffypony;mircea_popescu
1173480;1435060983;fluffypony;Thanks for the donation. The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking on blender.org. Please give a link to a page with your personal info (contact info) or that of your company.
1173481;1435060984;fluffypony;Regards,
1173482;1435060984;fluffypony;-Ton-
1173483;1435061001;mircea_popescu;uh
1173484;1435061095;mircea_popescu;<a href=http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG>S.MG</a>, Bitcoin Games
1173485;1435061182;fluffypony;k replied
1173486;1435061227;mircea_popescu;ty
1173487;1435061316;mircea_popescu;sooo... coinbase sells ads through buysell ads, and wants to get 20 bucks cpm
1173488;1435061319;mircea_popescu;lolk.
1173489;1435063048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60765 @ 0.00039851 = 24.2155 BTC [-]
1173490;1435064229;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/pop-goes-bubble.html << mega-l0l
1173491;1435064229;assbot;ClubOrlov: Pop goes the Bubble ... ( http://bit.ly/1eFEi0d )
1173492;1435064236;funkenstein_;new Cohen piece worth a read
1173493;1435064312;asciilifeform;'The rate would like to go negative, but it can't. Because, you know, that's the kind of debt even I wouldn't turn down (by the way, I don't have any debt). It's the kind of debt where you give me your money, and then you keep paying me periodically to hold on to it, or spend it, or gamble it away—that's none of your business—until forever, because I have no intention of ever paying you back; I'll just keep rolling it over
1173494;1435064312;asciilifeform; at ever more negative interest rates, and you will have to go on lowering them, because if you don't I might cut down on my gambling and crash the financial system again. If you agree to these terms, then you might as well also give away your wallet and your car keys—just to see what happens.'
1173495;1435064614;mircea_popescu;maybe they give him a diesel engine.
1173496;1435064625;asciilifeform;l0l it looks like he got his engine.
1173497;1435064938;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can i has http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eulora-bitbet.jpg banner on bitbet linked to http://trilema.com/cutekittens/buysellads.php?i=1 plox ?
1173498;1435064939;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxfMUT )
1173499;1435064940;assbot;MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxfNbh )
1173500;1435064940;mircea_popescu;i pay 0.1!
1173501;1435065015;kakobrekla;The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking.
1173502;1435065234;mircea_popescu;omaigerd
1173503;1435065373;kakobrekla;its live but size is wrong
1173504;1435065390;kakobrekla;same thing as last time, 486 instead 468
1173505;1435065408;mircea_popescu;gah
1173506;1435065466;mircea_popescu;and i thought you were kidding fml
1173507;1435065495;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eulora-bitbet1.jpg << updated kthx
1173508;1435065496;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxgOAf )
1173509;1435065541;kakobrekla;fixed
1173510;1435065679;kakobrekla;>Seal the Deal < lold
1173511;1435065739;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1173512;1435065753;kakobrekla;the last prop https://bitbet.us/propositions/
1173513;1435065753;assbot;BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxhiGo )
1173514;1435065791;mircea_popescu;heh
1173515;1435066110;fluffypony;http://www.cem.me/20150621-pgp-poster.html
1173516;1435066110;assbot;PGP Poster - cem ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxhXrr )
1173517;1435066154;mircea_popescu;was in teh log
1173518;1435066190;fluffypony;oh ok
1173519;1435071390;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIKJv8yUMAQhYOc.png
1173520;1435071390;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ddXws9 )
1173521;1435071816;punkman;https://tradeblock.com/blog/bitcoin-network-capacity-analysis-part-6-data-propagation
1173522;1435071818;assbot;Blog | TradeBlock ... ( http://bit.ly/1fx1fTr )
1173523;1435072016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67164 @ 0.00041133 = 27.6266 BTC [+] {2} 
1173524;1435074678;ben_vulpes;Trusty Thermonuke stalled for lack of seeds at block 182383 last night
1173525;1435074790;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1173526;1435074796;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: debug.log plz
1173527;1435075011;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: i'm a derp and used "connect" instead of "addnode"
1173528;1435075062;ascii_field;lol ok
1173529;1435075073;ascii_field;btw 'connect' also prevents inbound.
1173530;1435075094;ascii_field;as i understand, it was meant for 'indoor' nodes
1173531;1435075103;ascii_field;(that is, ones used as 'hot' wallet, etc)
1173532;1435075118;ben_vulpes;hm, and yet it added addrs to its addr.dat it allears.
1173533;1435075122;ascii_field;and yes, a 'connect' node lives - and dies - by the other end
1173534;1435075155;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: iirc it still collects seeds so it can spit them back if asked for some
1173535;1435075251;*;ben_vulpes grump
1173536;1435075265;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: no reason to hurry
1173537;1435075316;ascii_field;also didn't i give example arguments in ml ?
1173538;1435075737;trinque;ben_vulpes: did my node work for ya?
1173539;1435077230;mod6;So this is interesting: I was able to use my gcc patch successfully against my AWS instance which has an AMI that utilizes a stage3-uclibc-hardened from 20150510. And meanwhile, trinque was helping me test to ensure I'm not doing something totally retarded, and on his side he was using the Physical hardware steps where it says to pull the latest (which should be 20150610) stage3-uclibc-hardened.
1173540;1435077287;mod6;the Gentoo patches for gcc 4.8.4 changed during this interval from v1.5 to v1.6.  Nothing special here.  Wonder if there are this many changes to old ebuilds all the time?
1173541;1435077324;mod6;Anyway, trinque wasn't even able to apply my patch successfully on his side.
1173542;1435077343;mod6;Going to continue on with this, just an update.
1173543;1435079762;lobbes;ascii_field: probably would just be easier to have scoopbot do it, but I got lobbesbot reading Phuctor's rss feed. If you feel inclined, give him a rate and I'll set him up to announce.
1173544;1435080927;jurov;!gettrust assbot lobbesbot
1173545;1435080927;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user lobbesbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=lobbesbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/lobbesbot/
1173546;1435080948;jurov;!rate lobbesbot 1 piece of zamak
1173547;1435080948;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bff9f33d30df9729
1173548;1435080979;jurov;!v assbot:jurov.rate.lobbesbot.1:e86048b8b939f767104e5f5503607223701718768b0ca106edf8596d1b4255e0
1173549;1435080980;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbesbot with note: piece of zamak
1173550;1435081186;funkenstein_;http://i.imgur.com/oVHUpPy.jpg
1173551;1435081187;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrWWWL )
1173552;1435081840;trinque;funkenstein_: literally anyone off the street
1173553;1435082383;funkenstein_;trinque, lol i wonder what whoever made the poster was trying to tell us..  with the choice of uncle sam
1173554;1435082624;jurov;that's clear "usg wants you"
1173555;1435082904;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
1173556;1435082905;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.23, Best ask: 244.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 244.23, 24 hour volume: 11849.7222125, 24 hour low: 242.0, 24 hour high: 247.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1173557;1435082933;ben_vulpes;trinque: after i rebooted using "addnode" instead of "connect" directives, the thing has 7 connections and is happily munching block
1173558;1435082936;ben_vulpes;blocks*
1173559;1435083115;ben_vulpes;184387 blocks, btw)
1173560;1435083173;trinque;munching block << hue
1173561;1435084193;ben_vulpes;https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?s%5B1%5D%5Bid%5D=M1
1173562;1435084194;assbot;Graph: M1 Money Stock - FRED - St. Louis Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2JEg2 )
1173563;1435084200;ben_vulpes;(from trinque)
1173564;1435085725;jurov;https://medium.com/@bramcohen/bitcoin-s-ironic-crisis-32226a85e39f
1173565;1435085726;assbot;Bitcoin’s Ironic Crisis — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzbdgV )
1173566;1435085944;mircea_popescu;who is known as mats ?
1173567;1435085992;mats;i had two successive brain farts while talking to nickserv
1173568;1435085999;mats;plz ignore
1173569;1435086109;jurov;looks like we now know your password
1173570;1435086179;mod6;anyone wanna sell 2 Wooly Mushrooms?
1173571;1435086195;mod6;oops, wrong window
1173572;1435086272;mod6;so i'm building gcc 4.9.2 on gentoo with uclibc & hardened (PIE). if it builds ok, then I'll give building v0.5.3.1-RELEASE a try - maybe this version won't have the same issue...
1173573;1435086322;mircea_popescu;flamingcows ? srsly ?
1173574;1435086368;mats;i meant to perform /nickserv info flamingcows
1173575;1435086376;mats;since we're all curious now
1173576;1435086430;trinque;bahaha
1173577;1435086436;trinque;no one could've anticipated flaming cows
1173578;1435087905;mats;http://inyourspeakers.com/content/news/318-fort-minor-release-first-track-nine-years-06232015 << https://youtu.be/REAwGmv0Fuk
1173579;1435087906;assbot;Fort Minor - Welcome | Inyourspeakers Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLV9hE )
1173580;1435087907;assbot;Fort Minor - Welcome [360 Version] (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLV9hL )
1173581;1435089391;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173510 <<< this is mine.. should be good to go provided i resubmit with resolves yes on either on either intent or confirmation yeah?
1173582;1435089391;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 13:21:19; kakobrekla: >Seal the Deal < lold
1173583;1435089767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89068 @ 0.00040291 = 35.8864 BTC [-] {2} 
1173584;1435090002;punkman; https://gist.github.com/petertodd/8e87c782bdf342ef18fb
1173585;1435090003;assbot;What the CoinWallet.eu tx-flood stress-test means for you and how to deal with it ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jh41ZQ )
1173586;1435091123;kakobrekla;that 'coinwallet' looks like scam
1173587;1435091714;mircea_popescu;cazalla yeh
1173588;1435091719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152350 @ 0.0004009 = 61.0771 BTC [-] {2} 
1173589;1435091735;mircea_popescu;punkman do they have a "how not to care" guide now on github ?!
1173590;1435091798;ben_vulpes;eeey, so software, am i right?
1173591;1435091807;ben_vulpes;have you guys ever thought about software
1173592;1435091811;ben_vulpes;it's not soft
1173593;1435091814;ben_vulpes;and you can't wear it!
1173594;1435091841;ben_vulpes;i'll brb - gotta submit something to the Crap Store
1173595;1435091861;mircea_popescu;i hope it's a joke app
1173596;1435091947;mircea_popescu;these idiots i swear. "o noes, a bunch of jokers put in a quarter of a cent on a bunch of txn, because they figure it's cheap publicity. everyone willing to pay more than 0.01% of what bank transfers cost is unaffected"
1173597;1435092012;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1173598;1435092093;ascii_field;so apparently 'linux support' in modern scientific instrumentation means 'you can, maybe, write own driver in a week by studying pieces of the broken turd we published five hw revisions ago'
1173599;1435092156;mircea_popescu;haha. well... linux is a hobby, right ? those crazy kids enjoy derping wit h code. this is how to best support them
1173600;1435092249;*;ascii_field keeps coming back to the thought that if 'adult' computer were to exist, folks would snap it up even if it were something close to, e.g., pdp-11 in horsepower
1173601;1435092259;trinque;I've said this!
1173602;1435092278;trinque;gimme teh S.NSA box, and I don't care how slow it is
1173603;1435092282;ascii_field;the observation is by no means original to me
1173604;1435092319;ascii_field;trinque: 'don't care' is strong statement - you probably want it to verify blocks in <10min, etc
1173605;1435092342;ascii_field;and to address enough storage to make this criterion even meaningful
1173606;1435092346;trinque;well... maybe all "it" does is talk to that which is doing the block verification
1173607;1435092360;ascii_field;trinque: then it isn't a computer
1173608;1435092362;ascii_field;but a terminal
1173609;1435092365;ascii_field;go, buy one now.
1173610;1435092372;mircea_popescu;funny how the definition of "usable computer" now includes "blocks <10min"
1173611;1435092385;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that was your maxim
1173612;1435092390;ascii_field;incidentally.
1173613;1435092410;mircea_popescu;o hey, it was, wasn't it.
1173614;1435092411;trinque;I just want something which can derp text buffers
1173615;1435092428;trinque;and shoop them somewhere else, if I'm real lucky
1173616;1435092593;ben_vulpes;schmid: yw
1173617;1435092596;ben_vulpes;!up sch
1173618;1435092608;ben_vulpes;hmph.
1173619;1435092974;pete_dushenski;self-scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/23/deficit-spending-dependencies/
1173620;1435092976;assbot;Deficit spending dependencies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cre1I8 )
1173621;1435092986;pete_dushenski;working on another re: treblinka
1173622;1435093107;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller
1173623;1435093110;mircea_popescu;lol scoopbot dead again ?
1173624;1435093116;ben_vulpes;where is the scoop anyways
1173625;1435093120;ben_vulpes;;;seen scoopbot_revived
1173626;1435093121;gribble;scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <scoopbot_revived> Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/
1173627;1435093137;ben_vulpes;;;later tell williamdunne ^^
1173628;1435093137;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1173629;1435093138;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu scoopy is away with williamdunne on vacation
1173630;1435093170;ascii_field;isn't this how gribble was lowered into pederasty ?
1173631;1435093224;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: moar movie reviews plz
1173632;1435093254;pete_dushenski;lolk
1173633;1435093280;pete_dushenski;i guess i need to watch more because i review at least half the ones i see
1173634;1435093671;mod6;gcc on it's 4th hour of compiling...
1173635;1435093676;pete_dushenski;http://megaprocessor.com/progress.html << one for alf. and, of course, log readers everywhere
1173636;1435093677;assbot;HomePage ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdbWVw )
1173637;1435093700;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: see log, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172298
1173638;1435093700;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 17:00:58; ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
1173639;1435093728;ascii_field;no one will be making 'blocks in <10min' box with discretes.
1173640;1435093732;pete_dushenski;ascii_field in my defense, my link is unique !
1173641;1435093744;ascii_field;afaik
1173642;1435093772;trinque;bleh do I load the feeds plugin on mine again?
1173643;1435093876;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1173644;1435094204;lobbes;!up lobbesbot
1173645;1435094214;lobbes;@rss announce add http://nosuchlabs.com/rss
1173646;1435094216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )
1173647;1435094216;lobbesbot;lobbes: The operation succeeded.
1173648;1435094216;trinque;lobbes: you gonna scoop the scoops?
1173649;1435094218;trinque;sweet.
1173650;1435094251;lobbes;I could, though before I take that on I gotta learn how to get lobbesbot to !up himself
1173651;1435094293;lobbes;jurov rated him, so he's able. But I'm too dumb to figure out how to view private messages sent to him
1173652;1435094371;trinque;up to you
1173653;1435094377;mircea_popescu;open them like they were a chan ?
1173654;1435094589;lobbes;well, my issue thus far is that I'm running lobbesbot on a aws instance seperate from my edis bouncer instance, so the only way I can currently see privmsgs sent to it are by checking messages.log (however, this only returns up to the first 'space' in the string)
1173655;1435094693;trinque;side note, I don't hate the idea of interacting with something like IRC via simple file IO
1173656;1435094724;trinque;artifexd: gossipd when!
1173657;1435094735;trinque;dunno if there's a futureware I think about more
1173658;1435094745;punkman;trinque: http://tools.suckless.org/ii/
1173659;1435094745;assbot;ii | suckless.org tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crh0QM )
1173660;1435094763;trinque;punkman: nice, the kind of thing I'd expect on suckess.org
1173661;1435095150;pete_dushenski;"Walmart (WMT) will reportedly pull items displaying the Confederate flag, according to a report late Monday. CNNMoney cited the world's biggest retailer as saying it "never want(s) to offend anyone with the products that we offer." The move comes after a 21-year old assailant gunned down nine people at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina."
1173662;1435095173;pete_dushenski;now sales are through the roof for confederate flags.
1173663;1435095183;ascii_field;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.tgi-sci.com/tgi/pntb.htm
1173664;1435095184;assbot;Nukeman ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdiJ1y )
1173665;1435095184;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1173666;1435095187;pete_dushenski;i guess http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-06-2015#1169869 isn't that far off
1173667;1435095187;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: confederate us survive
1173668;1435095355;ascii_field;;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2014/03/getting-my-feet-wet-with-invasive.html
1173669;1435095356;assbot;Silicon Exposed: Getting my feet wet with invasive attacks, part 1: Target recon ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdj0lf )
1173670;1435095356;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1173671;1435095366;ascii_field;^ of interest to all 'xilinx' aficionados
1173672;1435095392;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.gamefromscratch.com/
1173673;1435095394;assbot;Game From Scratch | GameDev made easy...ish. Game programming starts here. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdj4RM )
1173674;1435095513;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: remember 'adventure construction set' and the later msdos 'adventure construction kit' ?
1173675;1435095519;mircea_popescu;aha
1173676;1435095543;ascii_field;http://mozomedia.com/ack/aboutack << apparently ported (sorta) to modern archs
1173677;1435095545;assbot;Adventure Creation Kit   » About ACK ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdjmrQ )
1173678;1435095975;mircea_popescu;sorta like the GACK
1173679;1435096159;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1173680;1435096170;ascii_field;http://siliconpr0n.org/archive/doku.php?id=azonenberg:xilinx:xc2c32a << more re: xc32
1173681;1435096172;assbot;    azonenberg:xilinx:xc2c32a    [Silicon Pr0n]   ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdkxI1 )
1173682;1435096211;*;ascii_field wonders if anybody's tried neutronograph of these things
1173683;1435096302;mod6;no such luck with gcc 4.9.2 -- gcc compiled fine, but ran into the same problem as with 4.8.4: http://dpaste.com/368J5K7.txt
1173684;1435096304;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdkR9I )
1173685;1435096347;mod6;might try gcc-5.1.0 next.
1173686;1435096503;mod6;if that doens't work, then truly will have to get everything in sync and shoe-horn our own patch while all the stage3 stuff is up to speed.
1173687;1435096511;mod6;(in sync with what's current)
1173688;1435096531;mod6;any strong objectsions against 5.1.0?
1173689;1435096585;mod6;there is an ebuild for gcc/uclibc/hardened version gcc-3.4.6-r2
1173690;1435096595;mod6;if anyone thinks we should try that first.
1173691;1435096720;mircea_popescu;might work
1173692;1435097284;ben_vulpes;i'm biased against moving forwards in time
1173693;1435097293;ben_vulpes;newer software is just more broken in more exciting ways
1173694;1435097307;trinque;ruuuuust
1173695;1435097692;mod6;ok well... i guess that settles that then, i'll build 3.4.6 next.
1173696;1435097758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00041586 = 32.8529 BTC [+]
1173697;1435098418;ben_vulpes;oh cool
1173698;1435098450;ben_vulpes;so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
1173699;1435098460;ben_vulpes;but if you install it locally, it just quietly fails to run the tests
1173700;1435098466;ben_vulpes;FUCK EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THIS SHITPIEL
1173701;1435098538;jurov;that's helluva groupie
1173702;1435098842;mod6;so gcc-3.4.6-r2 will not build with "hardened" set as an option, although uclibc can still be used.  we do want "hardened" i would think.
1173703;1435098852;mod6;for PIE
1173704;1435099069;scoopbot_revived;Deficit spending dependencies. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/23/deficit-spending-dependencies/
1173705;1435099081;mats;asciilifeform: neat
1173706;1435099128;mats;asciilifeform: friend of yours?
1173707;1435099274;pete_dushenski;scoopbot_revived liveth !
1173708;1435099303;mod6;looks like many of the much older < 4.3 ebuilds don't allow for hardened (unless I'm mistaken here).  I'm gonna try 4.5.4.
1173709;1435099332;mod6;If this dones't help (i doubt it will), I'll need to make another AMI with a recent stage3 and try to shoehorn in this gcc patch I made.
1173710;1435099332;mircea_popescu;shitpiel lol
1173711;1435099361;mod6;hahah
1173712;1435099690;mod6;ok that build is going... should take ~4 hours.
1173713;1435099711;mod6;i can't even imagine how long it would take on that POS box i bought.  probably 16.
1173714;1435099724;mod6;or more
1173715;1435099788;trinque;mod6: once there's a rubber-stamped set of packages, there's a way to create binary packages on gentoo
1173716;1435099793;trinque;and then reuse those elsewhere
1173717;1435099827;trinque;not that others shouldn't rebuild, but rather that there'll at least be a way to quickly stand up a new dev environment later, if ya want it
1173718;1435099835;trinque;dev/test/etc
1173719;1435100442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00040045 = 3.3638 BTC [-]
1173720;1435100886;mod6;ah ok.
1173721;1435101518;mircea_popescu;ayup
1173722;1435101527;mircea_popescu;o hey wd lobbes
1173723;1435101665;scoopbot_revived;It's not your family holding you back, it's your shepherdlessness. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/23/its-not-your-family-holding-you-back-its-your-shepherdlessness/
1173724;1435102348;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/23/as-walmart-goes-so-goes-the-nation-or-vice-versa/
1173725;1435102349;assbot; Wal-Mart, American bellwether, and the Confederate flag - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuCMd9 )
1173726;1435103160;scoopbot_revived;Carl Mark Force IV to Plead Guilty http://qntra.net/2015/06/carl-mark-force-iv-to-plead-guilty/
1173727;1435103260;pete_dushenski;does anyone ever not sign the papers ?
1173728;1435103268;pete_dushenski;i mean really
1173729;1435103286;williamdunne;Back
1173730;1435103291;williamdunne;Hello all
1173731;1435103308;pete_dushenski;williamdunne given the rebirth of the rebirth of scoopbot, we sorta figured as much ;)
1173732;1435103321;pete_dushenski;welcome home !
1173733;1435103326;williamdunne;Aha
1173734;1435103328;williamdunne;Thanks :)
1173735;1435103340;williamdunne;He now also has NSA's RSS feed
1173736;1435103345;williamdunne;Well, Phuctors
1173737;1435103409;pete_dushenski;neat.
1173738;1435103942;mats;asciilifeform: is there any useful automation for reversing from si?
1173739;1435104048;asciilifeform;mats: there were experiments with standard cell libs & ocr. sadly i haven't any links handy
1173740;1435104060;asciilifeform;mats: the physical part of the process is the real bitch
1173741;1435104118;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173706 << nope. just ran across it by chance
1173742;1435104118;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 22:38:48; mats: asciilifeform: friend of yours?
1173743;1435104151;mats;when you've got a chance, i'd like a look at some of those links
1173744;1435104226;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173698 << wtf is that. for a sec i thought it had to do with bitcoin nodes, but turns out it's some random turd, l0l
1173745;1435104226;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 22:27:30; ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
1173746;1435104468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00040375 = 11.3656 BTC [+]
1173747;1435104484;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nukeman looks like a solid computer
1173748;1435104673;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu do we have a seed yet ?
1173749;1435104673;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1173750;1435104762;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173727 << the folks dragged into the star chamber thus far, afaik, are not 'the brightest bulbs'
1173751;1435104762;assbot;Logged on 23-06-2015 23:47:40; pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ?
1173752;1435104833;asciilifeform;but, for example, bernard von nothaus.
1173753;1435104855;asciilifeform;http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2015/06/22/dont-count-on-the-supreme-court-for-vigilance-in-defending-your-second-amendment-rights << him
1173754;1435104856;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LsKc1Z )
1173755;1435104860;mod6;ok gcc 4.5.4 is built... trying...
1173756;1435104864;asciilifeform;wrong link, oops
1173757;1435104893;asciilifeform;or hm, there isn't a link.
1173758;1435104896;asciilifeform;site is br0k3n
1173759;1435104906;asciilifeform;http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2014/12/09/protecting-us-from-a-terrorist-who-made-pure-silver-coins-the-bernard-von-nothaus-case
1173760;1435104907;assbot;Protecting Us From A 'Terrorist' Who Made Pure Silver Coins: The Bernard von NotHaus Case - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LsKgyG )
1173761;1435104912;asciilifeform;^ there.
1173762;1435105210;mod6;4.5.4 failed to build just as the others did: http://dpaste.com/0P88CGV.txt
1173763;1435105212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1deInH4 )
1173764;1435105224;mod6;guess like we're gonna have to get this patch to work
1173765;1435105236;*;mod6 creates new AMI with updated stage3
1173766;1435105258;asciilifeform;... /net.cpp:240: warning: gethostbyname is obsolescent, use getnameinfo() instead. << this is pre-dnsnuke, aha ?
1173767;1435105270;mod6;yah
1173768;1435105296;mod6;this is just v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + { Gentoo Sanity Patches }
1173769;1435105304;asciilifeform;with uclibc ?
1173770;1435105306;mod6;yeah
1173771;1435105311;mod6;and PIE
1173772;1435105319;asciilifeform;iirc uclibc only supports pthread after a certain version
1173773;1435105366;asciilifeform;didja try the 'recompile with -fPIC' thing ?
1173774;1435105372;mod6;well, i tried v4.9.2 and that didn't work either.
1173775;1435105395;mod6;and ben didn't like the idea of using anything >4.8.4
1173776;1435105424;mod6;and old version such as 3.4.6-r2 dones't work because no "hardening" such as PIE
1173777;1435105437;asciilifeform;speaking of uclibc here, rather than gcc
1173778;1435105447;mod6;yeah, weeks ago I did try to recompile with -fPIC
1173779;1435105451;mod6;didn't help anything.
1173780;1435105455;asciilifeform;what was the output ?
1173781;1435105459;mod6;we're still dealing with this error.
1173782;1435105465;mod6;i dunno, i dont have it handy.
1173783;1435105476;mod6;i can add -fPIC in there quick and try again though
1173784;1435105479;asciilifeform;plz
1173785;1435105505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.0003984 = 24.9797 BTC [-] {3} 
1173786;1435105567;mod6;ok with you if i just do like:
1173787;1435105568;mod6;HARDENING+=-fPIE -pie -fPIC
1173788;1435105583;mod6;?
1173789;1435105587;asciilifeform;sure
1173790;1435105589;mod6;ok
1173791;1435105686;mod6;ok comiling
1173792;1435105690;mod6;*compiling
1173793;1435105699;mod6;last i recall i did this, i got the exact same message...
1173794;1435105706;mod6;maybe im wrong about that.
1173795;1435105732;mod6;well, and it was with gcc 4.8.4, not 4.5.4 (as it is now)
1173796;1435105749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33235 @ 0.00040225 = 13.3688 BTC [+]
1173797;1435105810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00039514 = 75.5903 BTC [-] {3} 
1173798;1435105880;mod6;yeah exact same message, but i don't see the -fPIC flag in there... maybe im not adding that in there correctly?
1173799;1435105901;asciilifeform;mod6: post makefile ?
1173800;1435105958;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3TDSFV0.txt
1173801;1435105959;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1deJoyS )
1173802;1435105963;mod6;ok sure, will post makefile
1173803;1435106003;asciilifeform;and it's uclibc that has to be recompiled with that flag
1173804;1435106005;asciilifeform;not bitcoin
1173805;1435106074;mod6;ohh.
1173806;1435106076;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0M22TV6.txt
1173807;1435106077;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1deJAOt )
1173808;1435106085;mod6;makefile (for bitcoin ^)
1173809;1435106104;asciilifeform;now try rebuilding uclibc with it...
1173810;1435106130;mod6;ok.
1173811;1435106150;mod6;trinque: any idea how to do that? (recompile uclibc with a specific flag?)
1173812;1435106166;asciilifeform;slip it in its makefile
1173813;1435106176;trinque;sounds like ebuild munging
1173814;1435106184;asciilifeform;!up thestringpuller
1173815;1435106196;trinque;mod6: could patch the Makefile using that patches mechanism
1173816;1435106228;asciilifeform;in cases like this, i build the old-fashioned way and only then screw with ebuilds
1173817;1435106248;mod6;hmm.
1173818;1435106256;asciilifeform;(esp. considering that we will eventually 'vendor' - to use ben_vulpes's terminology - uclibc)
1173819;1435106257;mod6;i usually do that too.
1173820;1435106262;trinque;yeah, makes sense
1173821;1435106268;thestringpuller;thx asciilifeform i accidentally msg'd you instead of assbot
1173822;1435106316;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: been watching this dumb netflix show "Orange is the new black" the russian mobster woman says a lot of the same stuff you do.
1173823;1435106322;asciilifeform;l0l wut
1173824;1435106414;thestringpuller;well for instance she was talking about valentina tereshkova, and said something like, "She's petitioning putin to go to mars, cause the russians, they stay focused"
1173825;1435106427;*;asciilifeform does not remember saying this
1173826;1435106470;thestringpuller;i guess it's more of a "vibe" kinda thing. the "doesn't fuck around staying focused" kinda vibe.
1173827;1435106484;thestringpuller;anti-chumpatron is the only term i can think of
1173828;1435106543;asciilifeform;;;later tell mats http://cmosfold.blogspot.com/2013/01/ftdi-ft232rl.html << possibly also of interest
1173829;1435106544;assbot;CMOSfold: FTDI FT232RL ... ( http://bit.ly/1deKkmW )
1173830;1435106544;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1173831;1435106562;asciilifeform;^ also re: the old 'real asic or not' threads
1173832;1435106695;mod6;trinque: you think what i'm looking for (at least the ebuilds for uclibc) are in here? /usr/portage/sys-libs/uclibc?
1173833;1435106719;trinque;that's where the ebuilds are
1173834;1435106731;trinque;the build-stuff is in /var/tmp/portage
1173835;1435106749;trinque;there's probably a flag to have it dump out the goods there, but not build
1173836;1435106767;trinque;if not you could maybe start the build then kill it, then go there and hax
1173837;1435106826;mod6;huh, how do i even figure out what version of uclibc I'm using?
1173838;1435106844;trinque;mod6: equery tells you that, I think, and lots of other useful stuff
1173839;1435106885;mod6;ok we'll take this back to pm
1173840;1435107170;mod6;ok found it: libuClibc-0.9.33.2.so
1173841;1435107661;mod6;think something like this will work?
1173842;1435107663;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3PD6REN.txt
1173843;1435107664;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1deNbMx )
1173844;1435107719;mod6;asciilifeform: ^
1173845;1435108022;asciilifeform;ok...
1173846;1435108024;asciilifeform;result?
1173847;1435108131;mod6;it's building now...
1173848;1435108175;mod6;(uclibc)
1173849;1435108205;BingoBoingo;Apparently Luke-Jr has a node version census thing which unlike bitnodes.io isn't limiting itself completely to Hearniated nodes http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.html
1173850;1435108206;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9cZGR )
1173851;1435108486;mod6;asciilifeform: uClibc built & completed install.
1173852;1435108489;mod6;rebuilding btc
1173853;1435108541;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for some reason i don't see the total count...
1173854;1435108555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0748 BTC [+]
1173855;1435108753;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: yeah. not the best tool but seems like a less shitty effort to show version strings offered by things purporting to be bitcoin nodes
1173856;1435108793;mod6;i got the same error as before asciilifeform.  maybe i screwed something up.
1173857;1435108796;mod6;i'll try again
1173858;1435109165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93900 @ 0.00039489 = 37.0802 BTC [-] {2} 
1173859;1435109960;mod6;well, so here's the deal.  I can't get it to compile "by hand".  meaning, that if i extract the 2 bzip'd files for uclibc: uClibc-0.9.33.2.tar.bz2 & uClibc-0.9.33.2-patches.tar.bz2 and then patch the former with the latter with something like this: for i in `ls ../patch/*.patch | sort` ; do patch -p1 < ../patch/$i ; done
1173860;1435109974;mod6;it patches cleanly, and then I add -fPIC to the makefile as shown before.
1173861;1435109980;mod6;but then it doesn't compile.
1173862;1435110026;mod6;if I add a simple patch file for the -fPIC to /etc/portage/patches/sys-lib/<patchfile> and then emerge uclibc, then it builds, but the outcome is the same of the bitcoind compilation
1173863;1435110055;asciilifeform;mod6: post the build log from 'doesn't compile' ?
1173864;1435110061;mod6;sure.
1173865;1435110077;mod6;gotta re-run it. just a sc.
1173866;1435110158;mod6;oh and during a "manual" build, it pops up with a ncurses config screen, i just used the defaults.
1173867;1435110185;mod6;although one thing in there allows for usage of arc4random (a note for later maybe) but i left it unselected.
1173868;1435110446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00040547 = 24.166 BTC [+] {2} 
1173869;1435110452;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/uclibc-build.log
1173870;1435110453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3wdMH )
1173871;1435111301;mod6;in the menuconfig, this is selected by default:
1173872;1435111301;mod6;[*] Generate only Position Independent Code (PIC) (NEW)
1173873;1435111324;mod6;this is what the help screen says for this option ^^
1173874;1435111325;mod6;http://dpaste.com/122HAQP.txt
1173875;1435111326;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcX8av )
1173876;1435111429;mod6;uClibc-0.9.33.2 # grep "DOPIC" .config
1173877;1435111429;mod6;DOPIC=y
1173878;1435111554;mod6;anyway, ran it again, same error.  and it looks to me that PIC should be compiled in by default.
1173879;1435111605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00039446 = 49.6625 BTC [-] {2} 
1173880;1435112464;mod6;and I can confirm that the ebuild has DOPIC=y in it's default .config: http://dpaste.com/1GB0GFK.txt
1173881;1435112465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BYPY )
1173882;1435113313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96350 @ 0.0004091 = 39.4168 BTC [+] {2} 
1173883;1435113984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169828 @ 0.00041106 = 69.8095 BTC [+] {2} 
1173884;1435114158;asciilifeform;https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions << lulzy. but for some reason author did not consider the possibility that isps snort downstream from known tor exits
1173885;1435114159;assbot;A month with BADONIONS ... ( http://bit.ly/1HehAXH )
1173886;1435114305;asciilifeform;mod6: thus far i'm stumped. will probably have to replicate your entire setup to get to the bottom of this (assuming you haven't yet)
1173887;1435114486;mod6;i havent yet.
1173888;1435114506;mod6;tomorrow i'm going to create a new gentoo AMI with the stage3 from 20150610
1173889;1435114522;mod6;then i can start over i guess.
1173890;1435114640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform coupla days is apparently like two weeks. blockchain's about 1/4 there tho
1173891;1435114672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: should revv up just in time for somebody to finally make sense of the static build thing, lol
1173892;1435114682;mircea_popescu;yeh
1173893;1435114698;mircea_popescu;anyway, i wanted to use perhaps the oldest chain still in continuous existence
1173894;1435114707;mircea_popescu;so it's a little like parking in an elevator.
1173895;1435114708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what did you use for a node anyway
1173896;1435114716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159535 @ 0.00041611 = 66.3841 BTC [+] {2} 
1173897;1435114739;mircea_popescu;this comes from an actual node.
1173898;1435114776;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well yes, but what's in there? mircea_popescu's pdp-11 port ?
1173899;1435114790;mircea_popescu;i dun think i ever said anything about that.
1173900;1435114799;asciilifeform;ok so it.
1173901;1435114801;asciilifeform;l0l
1173902;1435114818;asciilifeform;it'll be an honour, to sync from that!
1173903;1435114834;mircea_popescu;yeah, kinda why i'm bothering. this is the mother of them all.
1173904;1435114838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00041704 = 22.8955 BTC [+] {3} 
1173905;1435114866;*;asciilifeform wonders how mircea_popescubitcoind compares with therealbitcoin_asciilifeform
1173906;1435114888;mircea_popescu;i just watched giant
1173907;1435114897;mircea_popescu;it's a movie about old texas families
1173908;1435114907;mircea_popescu;eventually people get old, so they sit around an' compare.
1173909;1435114912;asciilifeform;aha
1173910;1435114920;*;asciilifeform used to work with a buncha those
1173911;1435114966;asciilifeform;'my diffraction structures...' 'nah, ~my~ neutronograms...' etc
1173912;1435115004;mircea_popescu;lol
1173913;1435115021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00041584 = 2.495 BTC [-]
1173914;1435115170;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Logged on 23-06-2015 23:47:40; pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ? <<< nobody you'd ever hear about.
1173915;1435115183;mircea_popescu;kinda like asking whether any "movie star" is ever not under contract.
1173916;1435115191;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would she be a movie star if she weren't ?
1173917;1435115205;asciilifeform;von nothaus ?
1173918;1435115265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88350 @ 0.00041836 = 36.9621 BTC [+]
1173919;1435115387;asciilifeform;(sf twist! mircea_popescu's bitcoind is therealbitcoin 1.000, transmitted backwards in time!!1111!!1)
1173920;1435115426;mircea_popescu;tachyon man i'm tachyon man
1173921;1435115433;mircea_popescu;i can walk backwards faster than you can
1173922;1435115436;mircea_popescu;IN TIME!
1173923;1435115436;asciilifeform;'doing the things the tachyon can!'
1173924;1435116668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18581 @ 0.00041568 = 7.7238 BTC [-] {2} 
1173925;1435117248;BingoBoingo;http://www.dezeen.com/2015/06/23/comments-update-architecture-sexism-alvaro-siza-manhattan-cornell-tech-campus-selgascano-serpentine-pavilion/
1173926;1435117250;assbot;This week's reader comments on Dezeen ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoJYCq )
1173927;1435117524;mats;https://www.trustwave.com/Resources/SpiderLabs-Blog/Attacking-Ruby-Gem-Security-with-CVE-2015-3900/
1173928;1435117526;assbot;Attacking Ruby Gem Security with CVE-2015-3900 ... ( http://bit.ly/1fzi4NJ )
1173929;1435118193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78650 @ 0.00041514 = 32.6508 BTC [-]
1173930;1435118620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80506 @ 0.00041514 = 33.4213 BTC [-]
1173931;1435119047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70329 @ 0.00040621 = 28.5683 BTC [-]
1173932;1435119535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00040657 = 12.807 BTC [+]
1173933;1435119779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84800 @ 0.00040408 = 34.266 BTC [-] {2} 
1173934;1435121426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00039714 = 20.8499 BTC [-] {2} 
1173935;1435123134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00039377 = 29.6509 BTC [-]
1173936;1435123683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106950 @ 0.00040878 = 43.719 BTC [+] {2} 
1173937;1435124049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00040534 = 30.5221 BTC [-]
1173938;1435125617;phf;hello, i had some free time so i built bitcoind with patches up to "ver 5_4" on os x 10.8
1173939;1435125630;phf;it's doing all the right things, i.e. wouldn't connect until explicitly given addnode, discurding bastard blocks, hovering at 62mb. block count 129821 right now
1173940;1435125641;phf;can anyone confirm that this looks like a complete list of patches to date http://paste.lisp.org/display/150429? (afaik those marked as U have been rejected on ml)
1173941;1435125642;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LAxifh )
1173942;1435126428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40965 @ 0.00040534 = 16.6048 BTC [-]
1173943;1435126550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.00041015 = 24.5475 BTC [+] {4} 
1173944;1435126754;BingoBoingo;Oh phuctor passed a million moduli http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
1173945;1435127587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.0004008 = 19.7594 BTC [-] {2} 
1173946;1435127648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039344 = 16.4458 BTC [-]
1173947;1435127660;BingoBoingo;phf: It doesn't look wrong
1173948;1435128627;BingoBoingo;Commenters need to step the game up http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-orders-war-on-computing-and-bitcoin-with-new-emergency-order-full-text/#comment-28596
1173949;1435128628;assbot;Obama Orders War On Computing And Bitcoin With New "Emergency" Order (Full Text) | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gygv8r )
1173950;1435128685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58332 @ 0.00041271 = 24.0742 BTC [+]
1173951;1435129099;BingoBoingo;http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-white-house-chef-walter-scheib-drowned-accidental-death-autopsy-n380636
1173952;1435129100;assbot;Former White House Chef Walter Scheib Drowned in Accidental Death: Autopsy - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GygRMj )
1173953;1435129106;BingoBoingo;^ For the nailgun chronicles
1173954;1435129600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116900 @ 0.0003968 = 46.3859 BTC [-] {3} 
1173955;1435130088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112850 @ 0.00041425 = 46.7481 BTC [+] {2} 
1173956;1435130759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00041737 = 4.3406 BTC [+]
1173957;1435131975;punkman;http://1g1uem2nc4jy1gzhn943ro0gz50.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/retention_graph_average.png
1173958;1435131976;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAqQj7 )
1173959;1435131979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164850 @ 0.0003948 = 65.0828 BTC [-] {2} 
1173960;1435132589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244489 @ 0.00041601 = 101.7099 BTC [+] {4} 
1173961;1435133870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120900 @ 0.00040884 = 49.4288 BTC [-]
1173962;1435134297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00042029 = 25.6797 BTC [+] {2} 
1173963;1435134694;cazalla;looks like google has shitcanned confederate flags https://www.google.com.au/webhp?&gfe_rd=cr&ei=rGqKVbPaEcf98wedmIHwDg#q=confederate+flag&tbm=shop
1173964;1435134695;assbot;Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbZCr7 )
1173965;1435136493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41750 @ 0.00041219 = 17.2089 BTC [-]
1173966;1435136798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00041835 = 10.0404 BTC [+]
1173967;1435139299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83249 @ 0.00041835 = 34.8272 BTC [+]
1173968;1435140458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00041305 = 28.5831 BTC [-] {3} 
1173969;1435140885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154900 @ 0.000423 = 65.5227 BTC [+] {4} 
1173970;1435141129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.00042664 = 44.1146 BTC [+] {2} 
1173971;1435142716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00041344 = 19.8038 BTC [-]
1173972;1435142960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148074 @ 0.00041362 = 61.2464 BTC [+] {2} 
1173973;1435143143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51447 @ 0.0004274 = 21.9884 BTC [+] {2} 
1173974;1435143204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190603 @ 0.00042824 = 81.6238 BTC [+]
1173975;1435143265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38438 @ 0.00042824 = 16.4607 BTC [+]
1173976;1435144274;cazalla;BingoBoingo, looks like they finally had the coins made one of your articles mentiond a few months back http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11694838/Islamic-State-mints-its-own-Islamic-Dinar-coins.html
1173977;1435144275;assbot;Islamic State mints its own 'Islamic Dinar' coins - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJsZCJ )
1173978;1435144485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00042676 = 22.4049 BTC [-]
1173979;1435144953;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> Oh phuctor passed a million moduli http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << age, cave, tace!
1173980;1435144973;mircea_popescu;500mn digits worth of P too.
1173981;1435145206;jurov;did anyone with phuctored key write to you?
1173982;1435145253;mircea_popescu;at least a coupla wrote to me to derp, back during the slashdot censorship days
1173983;1435145323;mircea_popescu;punkman1 i'm frankly surprised at the hefty chunk left in the 90 days range. i think that graph is bogus, and the real graph is a lot more like f'(x) = f(x)^3.something, where we take probabilities as from 0 to 1.
1173984;1435145381;mircea_popescu;cazalla aww i was looking for a "as BingoBoingo said...". shame on 'em.
1173985;1435145557;mircea_popescu;and what a shitty design.
1173986;1435145583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107860 @ 0.00042756 = 46.1166 BTC [+] {2} 
1173987;1435145644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45682 @ 0.00042853 = 19.5761 BTC [+] {2} 
1173988;1435145723;mircea_popescu;"Councillor Karen Danczuk, wife of Labour MP for Rochdale, Simon, has been tweeting selfies that show her cleavage. The 31-year-old councillor for Kingsway, who also runs a deli with her husband, has uploaded photos of her cleavage in a bikini and another of her bare legs."
1173989;1435145741;mircea_popescu;o noes, the bare legs of some rural wench. england prevails!
1173990;1435145949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223000 @ 0.00041603 = 92.7747 BTC [-] {3} 
1173991;1435146195;mircea_popescu;"With its subversive political allegory - including a terrorist as the leading man - and clear-cut leftist sensibilities, V for Vendetta is the kind of movie that the conservative right will have a field day with."
1173992;1435146198;mircea_popescu;ahahaha WUT.
1173993;1435146214;mircea_popescu;check it out, idiots imagine everything that happens is by idiots, about idiots, for idiots.
1173994;1435146224;mircea_popescu;such a novel development.
1173995;1435146441;mircea_popescu;more on point, http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/11/kevin-deanna-england-prevails/
1173996;1435146444;assbot;England Prevails | The Occidental Observer - White Identity, Interests, and Culture ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kckoqx )
1173997;1435146451;mircea_popescu;"The problem, of course, is that this is also the United Kingdom in the world we live in right now."
1173998;1435146476;mircea_popescu;nazi[onal] socialism being, of course, just another socialism.
1173999;1435146986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.00041892 = 43.1069 BTC [+]
1174000;1435147306;cazalla;so where are the pics?
1174001;1435147374;cazalla;http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4307576.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Karen-Danczuk.jpg
1174002;1435147375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcmgQc )
1174003;1435147497;cazalla;and another https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrrhMDWEAAFx5u.jpg  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG_NXShXAAA9Hs8.jpg
1174004;1435147498;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpDe7r )
1174005;1435147499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpDe7v )
1174006;1435147504;jurov;anime fangirls would kill for these eyes
1174007;1435147558;cazalla;she appears to be posting more pics in response to that article.. https://twitter.com/KarenDanczuk/media
1174008;1435147559;assbot;Photos et vidéos de Karen Danczuk  (@KarenDanczuk) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpDl2O )
1174009;1435147632;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i forgot to ask.. did the spammer login with the password or hammer login with various passwords until he got in?
1174010;1435147657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73273 @ 0.00040923 = 29.9855 BTC [-] {2} 
1174011;1435147668;mircea_popescu;the latter. there's two different things killing you if you try too many times.
1174012;1435147680;mircea_popescu;from the logs, at some random point he just shows up, logs in and fills my buffers.
1174013;1435147692;mircea_popescu;jurov right huh.
1174014;1435147718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146077 @ 0.00040723 = 59.4869 BTC [-] {2} 
1174015;1435148938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00041171 = 20.0091 BTC [+]
1174016;1435149165;funkenstein_;https://mrtalented.wordpress.com/
1174017;1435149166;assbot;Mr. Talented | 🇺🇸 America has taught Me that each Human being has 36,000 days to do something extraordinary. In less than 2,000 days, I've independently launched a start-up, wrote a book, obtained celebrity contacts & most importantly reached YOU. Here's my business card: MrTalented.org 30-sec ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgcObW )
1174018;1435149207;funkenstein_;blogger claims feelings matter, doesn't know travel or whores exist, kills self
1174019;1435149548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140122 @ 0.00041511 = 58.166 BTC [+] {2} 
1174020;1435149568;cazalla;"Everyday people hurt my feelings and its not fair. " lol k
1174021;1435149616;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1174022;1435149628;mircea_popescu;mr talented is now my an hero.
1174023;1435149737;cazalla;damn, he was 0 for 1500 with asian women
1174024;1435149975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38074 @ 0.00040388 = 15.3773 BTC [-] {2} 
1174025;1435150036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90961 @ 0.00040165 = 36.5345 BTC [-]
1174026;1435151099;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174018 << he did speak of wanting wife, not whores..
1174027;1435151099;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 12:33:27; funkenstein_: blogger claims feelings matter, doesn't know travel or whores exist, kills self
1174028;1435151167;funkenstein_;asciilifform, good point
1174029;1435151266;funkenstein_;despite his inability to adjust strategy, he has 1) identified a common stupidity 2) taken action
1174030;1435151283;asciilifeform;wai wut
1174031;1435151339;funkenstein_;i grasp at straws here this morning
1174032;1435151396;asciilifeform;http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-wanted-attacks-asian-women-found-hanging-reports-article-1.2267393 << claims - him
1174033;1435151397;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgkPxJ )
1174034;1435151633;funkenstein_;Next time, Teach English in Guangzhou
1174035;1435151654;asciilifeform;http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/wrongly-convicted-inmate-spend-1-weekend-prison-article-1.2248022 << other lulz from same fishwrap
1174036;1435151654;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpMPuT )
1174037;1435151889;asciilifeform;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/police-japan-seize-shoes-sold-upskirt-cameras-article-1.1950476
1174038;1435151889;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgmSSn )
1174039;1435152105;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whores make the only sort of wife worth having tho.
1174040;1435152144;asciilifeform;apparently mr elevator did not think so..
1174041;1435152188;mircea_popescu;what did he know.
1174042;1435152204;*;asciilifeform tries to find example of similar hanging in the literature, but can only recall the 1890s electromechanical contraption built in new york prison by one fella, for his own (official!) hanging
1174043;1435152448;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174034 << idk if this is still a thing. (who wants to 'marry the u.s. passport' today?)
1174044;1435152448;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 13:13:53; funkenstein_: Next time, Teach English in Guangzhou
1174045;1435152460;asciilifeform;or perhaps he didn't care for ~that~ kind of whore either
1174046;1435152504;mircea_popescu;wife not being much of a whore is a little like husband not being much of a soldier.
1174047;1435152585;asciilifeform;how's that work
1174048;1435152619;mircea_popescu;!up Eulorian
1174049;1435152621;mircea_popescu;hello there.
1174050;1435152628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which part ?
1174051;1435152640;asciilifeform;'not much of a whore like not much of a soldier'
1174052;1435152676;mircea_popescu;they're both a sort of selflessness.
1174053;1435152682;mircea_popescu;selfish people don't marry well.
1174054;1435152692;Eulorian;good
1174055;1435152713;Eulorian;in spanish please
1174056;1435152721;mircea_popescu;habla espanol ?
1174057;1435152724;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1173979 << probably time to throw it back into phuctoring gear soon. i was gonna wait for 1M submissions.
1174058;1435152724;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 11:22:33; mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Oh phuctor passed a million moduli http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << age, cave, tace!
1174059;1435152746;Eulorian;si
1174060;1435152748;asciilifeform;292336/1298527 presently (sks set, walking backwards from end)
1174061;1435152760;mircea_popescu;yo tambien, un poco.
1174062;1435152772;Eulorian;entre porque me llamo la atencion un titulo en la web
1174063;1435152780;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1174064;1435152782;Eulorian;que decia bitcoin y mmorpg
1174065;1435152797;mircea_popescu;ah, si, Eulora.
1174066;1435152803;Eulorian;pero veo que el juego es para linux o estoy errado
1174067;1435152812;mircea_popescu;ay windows tambien.
1174068;1435152830;mircea_popescu;http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows <
1174069;1435152831;assbot;Eulora 0.1.0 for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgqYd8 )
1174070;1435152848;Eulorian;donde puedo entrar porque entre a una web que solo tenia archivos tar.gz
1174071;1435152856;Eulorian;que creo q son extensiones linux
1174072;1435152869;Eulorian;a bien
1174073;1435152890;Eulorian;y popescu quien eres?
1174074;1435152894;Eulorian;es tuyo el juego?
1174075;1435152896;mircea_popescu;yo ?
1174076;1435152901;Eulorian;si
1174077;1435152903;mircea_popescu;;;google mircea popescu
1174078;1435152904;gribble;Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>; Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights ...: <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/>; MPEx - Bitcoin Wiki: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>
1174079;1435152907;mircea_popescu;^ ver aya
1174080;1435152930;Eulorian;ok gracias
1174081;1435152939;mircea_popescu;np
1174082;1435153093;kakobrekla;nemos problemos?
1174083;1435153103;mircea_popescu;hahaha nemos.
1174084;1435153128;mircea_popescu;dja mean "no mas" = not any more, or do you mean nema, as in, none ? :D
1174085;1435153147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146018 @ 0.00041443 = 60.5142 BTC [+] {3} 
1174086;1435153154;kakobrekla;nfi
1174087;1435153165;mircea_popescu;;;google Nema Problema
1174088;1435153166;gribble;Croatian Phrases - Nema Problema - Croatia Report: <http://www.croatiareport.com/crophrases2.html>; Nema problema (1984) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180867/>; Nema problema (1984 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nema_problema_(1984_film)>
1174089;1435153183;mircea_popescu;anyway, funny how slavic spanish is. i suppose it's due to them both starting with s.
1174090;1435153193;kakobrekla;lol
1174091;1435153232;mircea_popescu;which is a small amount of con-fusion.
1174092;1435153571;punkman;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9771219  "They value "the right technical decision" over human relationships and  it doesn't seem to occur to them that the right outcome might be the one  that makes someone else happy, or is the most diplomatic, even if it  isn't "technically right"."
1174093;1435153572;assbot;Ask HN: Do you work with dogmatic, stubborn developers/sysadmins? Are YOU one? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ni42er )
1174094;1435153586;punkman;maybe if you stopped breaking things they'd like you
1174095;1435153637;mircea_popescu;^
1174096;1435153693;mircea_popescu;this reads to me exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-101.300-101.317
1174097;1435153694;assbot;The definitive tract on sociopathy on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HguqVk )
1174098;1435153754;mircea_popescu;anyone who values "personal relationships" / "people themselves" / whatever other feel good idiotarianism over "abstract rules" / "technical" / blabla is ipso facto an idiot.
1174099;1435153779;mircea_popescu;the entire trade is predicated on "in the contest between what's right and what's pleasant - i pick the pleasant"
1174100;1435153852;mircea_popescu;and when the fuck did "hacker" news turn into pink collar support group already. if you don't like working with the people that make the things you like to use, go webcam.
1174101;1435153872;mircea_popescu;and complain about how the speed of light is unfair and the camera view should be less made out of straight lines.
1174102;1435154099;jurov;yes, for example chetty should stubborny say that eulora codebase stinks and she must redo it completely?
1174103;1435154145;midnightmagic;looks like a high-quality HN trollpost
1174104;1435154161;mats;usual hn fare...
1174105;1435154192;jurov;i got an impression mp reels against something different that the OP
1174106;1435154216;mircea_popescu;jurov haha ask chetty sometime how many times this redo completely already happened :D
1174107;1435154237;midnightmagic;lol look at his post history. dude's a deliberate troll man
1174108;1435154244;mircea_popescu;i think the loot code was rewritten fully about four times. this doesn't count all the times it got partially rewritten.
1174109;1435154266;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic you know that theory that past a certain level of stupidity the two are indistinguishable yes ?
1174110;1435154344;mircea_popescu;what she means when she says things like " she did not really know this part/the client thing in that much detail" is simply that well... she didn't have to rewrite it three-four times yet
1174111;1435154358;punkman;I don't see this deliberate trolling you mention
1174112;1435154362;midnightmagic;The other markers of stupidity are absent; his grammar is nearly perfect, and the observations are ironic and deeply philosophical -- *as troll posts*.
1174113;1435154395;*;mircea_popescu is too meh over the entire ycombinator kaboodle to go look at hn.
1174114;1435154474;punkman;https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/news_information/2015/NSA_Farmers_Market.shtml
1174115;1435154475;assbot;2015 News and Information - NSA's Farmers Market ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgwP2i )
1174116;1435154608;mircea_popescu;in other news : http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8k9jflVbH1rcqfsko1_1280.jpg
1174117;1435154610;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgxqkD )
1174118;1435154614;mircea_popescu;sunglasses in the bath!
1174119;1435154681;mircea_popescu;punkman ahaha someone should just replace the pics with pot and stuff, then republish it.
1174120;1435154703;punkman;I see your sunglasses and raise you a monkey https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIRBn3qUYAAsoLc.jpg
1174121;1435154704;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgxTmO )
1174122;1435154841;mircea_popescu;haha what's that on the monkey's shoulder
1174123;1435155058;midnightmagic;sunglasses in the bath would work better if there was actual sunlight which made the sunglasses a requirement
1174124;1435155174;mircea_popescu;or if there wasn't steam, which is the bane of every glasses wearer.
1174125;1435155217;punkman;dude sucks at tying rope too
1174126;1435155221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91014 @ 0.00041185 = 37.4841 BTC [-]
1174127;1435155352;mircea_popescu;finally, smoking in a steamy room also sucks. both because wet tobacco and because the steam-smoke mixture is like... ew.
1174128;1435155375;mircea_popescu;basically, he is very bad at everything he attempts, and attempts a lot of things at the same time.
1174129;1435155380;mircea_popescu;he should be a web developer.
1174130;1435155396;punkman;probably is
1174131;1435155414;mircea_popescu;looks more like an internet marketard to me.
1174132;1435155422;punkman;same thing, no?
1174133;1435155430;mircea_popescu;shit.
1174134;1435156264;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/24/russian-troll-factory-sued-underpayment-labour-violations-vladimir-putin
1174135;1435156265;assbot;Russian 'troll factory' sued for underpayment and labour violations | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgEPQO )
1174136;1435156492;mircea_popescu;oic. shame on them for hiring locally. there are some washington "civil servants" married to "entrepreneurs" that'd eagerly sell russia on the same process gavincoin used!
1174137;1435156505;mircea_popescu;worked so well, too. and it wasn't even too expensive!
1174138;1435156807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173210 @ 0.00040944 = 70.9191 BTC [-] {3} 
1174139;1435156868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165000 @ 0.00041609 = 68.6549 BTC [+] {2} 
1174140;1435157045;jurov;that would require more middlemen, with money leaking out at every step
1174141;1435157122;mircea_popescu;heh.
1174142;1435157234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116150 @ 0.00040347 = 46.863 BTC [-] {2} 
1174143;1435157240;jurov;joint american/russian embezzlement force.. now that's something to behold
1174144;1435157315;jurov;!mpif
1174145;1435157316;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021444 B (Total: 426.05 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1174146;1435157598;jurov;;;calc 0.0002144/1.05
1174147;1435157598;gribble;0.00020419047619
1174148;1435157608;jurov;;;calc 0.0002144/1.01
1174149;1435157609;gribble;0.000212277227723
1174150;1435157630;jurov;;;calc 0.0002144*1.01
1174151;1435157630;gribble;0.000216544
1174152;1435157728;jurov;;;calc 0.0002144*1.05
1174153;1435157729;gribble;0.00022512
1174154;1435158625;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIQhLaxWsAAkwoq.jpg
1174155;1435158626;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNfqnc )
1174156;1435158760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99900 @ 0.00040165 = 40.1248 BTC [-]
1174157;1435158796;shinohai;When you forget to hire a proofreader ....
1174158;1435158852;jurov;more like proofthinker
1174159;1435158855;punkman;http://rt.com/news/269314-anti-russian-propaganda-netherlands/
1174160;1435158856;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNfval )
1174161;1435159094;thestringpuller;https://xkcd.com/1270/
1174162;1435159208;jurov;pedophile lobby spreading anti russian propaganda, news at 11
1174163;1435159443;mircea_popescu;not terribly inaccurate a drawing, either.
1174164;1435159630;kakobrekla;https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10358559_10153439794977372_1199518205687241080_n.jpg?oh=29b7b6afd2418d30e96a3bc4be7b211b&oe=562E871B
1174165;1435159630;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNfNhw )
1174166;1435160002;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: re redditards doing math part 2 >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ay0j6/block_size_userbase_size_1_mb_275000_users/
1174167;1435160108;mircea_popescu;they're welcome to it.
1174168;1435160233;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169689 any suggestions for 'starter' isolation transformers ?
1174169;1435160233;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 18:17:10; asciilifeform: (yet another reason to run on a double-converter 'ups' or at least an isolator transformer!)
1174170;1435160253;pete_dushenski;i can't tell them apart and some are $100, some $300
1174171;1435160263;lobbes;'Also in order to have all 7 billion people use the blockchain directly' << hehe good one
1174172;1435160273;pete_dushenski;and the double-converters ups are all $1k+ !!1
1174173;1435160366;mircea_popescu;lotta metal in em
1174174;1435160372;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: and any thoughts on mitigating this concern http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169693 are also welcome
1174175;1435160372;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 18:18:35; asciilifeform: did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ?
1174176;1435160399;pete_dushenski;assuming 'model m' falls into the aforementioned camp
1174177;1435160433;kakobrekla;it does
1174178;1435160436;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: no doubt they're worth it
1174179;1435160453;mircea_popescu;we had some arguments re kbds, came to not much.
1174180;1435160457;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: but seems like overkill for home desktop
1174181;1435160470;mircea_popescu;tho i suspect the cheapo plastic bump kbds are a little quieter than the model ms
1174182;1435160508;pete_dushenski;audibly quieter, perhaps not electromagnetically ?
1174183;1435160540;kakobrekla;neg
1174184;1435160542;mircea_popescu;i meant the latter.
1174185;1435160559;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla oh, not at all ?
1174186;1435160566;mircea_popescu;a well, there goes the irony.
1174187;1435160584;kakobrekla;no, the usb is quiet(er)
1174188;1435160590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91600 @ 0.00040165 = 36.7911 BTC [-]
1174189;1435160606;mircea_popescu;than ps2 ? lower voltage ?
1174190;1435160717;kakobrekla;pete_dushenski https://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-09/BARISANI/BHUSA09-Barisani-Keystrokes-SLIDES.pdf
1174191;1435160721;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNg7gb )
1174192;1435160749;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: cheers
1174193;1435160964;kakobrekla;perhaps a ps2 isolatior or batter powered kboard
1174194;1435160973;kakobrekla;battery
1174195;1435160994;pete_dushenski;what about effect of basic ps2-usb converter ?
1174196;1435161032;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: or is that what you mean by 'ps2 isolator' ?
1174197;1435161099;kakobrekla;if its made properly it should be good afaik but dont take my word for it
1174198;1435161100;scoopbot_revived;Ok, so what is Eulora disrupting ? http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-eulora-disrupting/
1174199;1435161139;mircea_popescu;i doubt battery powered antenna is any weaker than mains powered antenna
1174200;1435161143;pete_dushenski;^heh i was thinking about this eulora question, time to test my answers against the back page !
1174201;1435161152;kakobrekla;pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues
1174202;1435161156;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski haha jit.
1174203;1435161182;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: right..
1174204;1435161210;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol the window was probably a few weeks. tops.
1174205;1435161251;kakobrekla;i havent tried but it not impossible a different cable would fix this
1174206;1435161308;kakobrekla;at least to a some degree
1174207;1435161316;kakobrekla;dunno, not the expert.
1174208;1435161348;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: nor am i, i appreciate the input.
1174209;1435161359;pete_dushenski;http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Hammond-Isolation-Transformer-171F-110V/111690504230?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3Dd0028792a72c431aaa20fa7e8b9c16fb%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D271849441378%26clkid%3D7089658866830618468&_qi=RTM2067268 << made in canuckistan
1174210;1435161361;assbot; Hammond Isolation Transformer 171F 110V | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNgmrA )
1174211;1435161445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85518 @ 0.00041396 = 35.401 BTC [+]
1174212;1435161512;kakobrekla;pete_dushenski just wait for ascii to piss on my suggestions.
1174213;1435161547;pete_dushenski;such is the risk of conversing where experts can see you.
1174214;1435161587;pete_dushenski;i'm sure he'll take a megaton dump on that little canadian ebay toy
1174215;1435161942;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1173976 << look like the result of one of those souvenir penny-pressing machines at zoos, museums, etc.
1174216;1435161942;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 11:11:14; cazalla: BingoBoingo, looks like they finally had the coins made one of your articles mentiond a few months back http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11694838/Islamic-State-mints-its-own-Islamic-Dinar-coins.html
1174217;1435161970;pete_dushenski;eg http://www.pennymachinesusa.com/Products.html
1174218;1435161972;assbot;Penny Machines USA Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNgCqv )
1174219;1435161998;pete_dushenski;lulzy thing is that these machines still exist in canada even though 'penny' was phased out last year
1174220;1435162015;pete_dushenski;because inflation !
1174221;1435162054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179400 @ 0.00040162 = 72.0506 BTC [-] {2} 
1174222;1435162261;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: 'And this is what I cal disruptive.' <<
1174223;1435162294;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1174224;1435162386;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174168 << i had a 'Sola EPC 210-60.' then replaced with gigantic doublecoverter ups, 'liebert'
1174225;1435162386;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 15:37:13; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169689 any suggestions for 'starter' isolation transformers ?
1174226;1435162428;pete_dushenski;eg http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SOLA-EPC-210-60-ELECTRONIC-POWER-CONDITIONER-120V-AC-1000VA-B463951-/291262820966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d09df266
1174227;1435162429;assbot; Sola EPC 210 60 Electronic Power Conditioner 120V AC 1000VA B463951 | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgs2l6 )
1174228;1435162429;ascii_field;if getting the latter, find a secondhand unit with missing or rotten battery, replace by yourself (100 to 200 usd, assemble the pack manually)
1174229;1435162443;ascii_field;^ it
1174230;1435162475;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: thoughts on the 'hammond' unit linked above ?
1174231;1435162509;pete_dushenski;that sola's $155 just to ship :(
1174232;1435162519;jurov;well... sure it does not have blown output? can it be returned if so?
1174233;1435162533;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: the hammond thing looks like just isolator, not stabilizer
1174234;1435162536;ascii_field;(no gigantic caps)
1174235;1435162542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00041396 = 9.8316 BTC [+]
1174236;1435162545;ascii_field;why did you want this again ?
1174237;1435162585;pete_dushenski;so that meta-lisard-nsa doesn't read my keystrokes through the mains ?
1174238;1435162599;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: they're reading them from black van, cheaper atm
1174239;1435162604;jurov;(i have replaced battery in my cheapo ups, tested it with 40W bulb... in shock watched the visible jitter, and it put out ~160V instead of 220)
1174240;1435162619;ascii_field;^ l0l
1174241;1435162651;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: and what about tmrw, when this moment has come and gone ?
1174242;1435162734;*;pete_dushenski wants to plan ahead, prepare for future, build warchest.
1174243;1435162765;*;ascii_field always thought 'warchest' meant gigantic bag of money (or, at least, ammo)
1174244;1435162794;pete_dushenski;that's 'treasurechest'
1174245;1435162829;pete_dushenski;and it's for one-eyed pirates with x-marked maps
1174246;1435163253;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174181 << they aren't.
1174247;1435163253;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 15:41:10; mircea_popescu: tho i suspect the cheapo plastic bump kbds are a little quieter than the model ms
1174248;1435163264;ascii_field;it's the scan matrix that is 'heard'
1174249;1435163271;ascii_field;100%  same in all pc keyboards.
1174250;1435163383;punkman;how would you mitigate that?
1174251;1435163423;ascii_field;punkman: there is no 'off the shelf' consumer appliance that will do a lick of good here.
1174252;1435163437;ascii_field;you could make own keyboard using fiber strain gauges, for instance.
1174253;1435163459;punkman;that sounds like a pita
1174254;1435163474;ascii_field;if want 'not pita' - surrender now.
1174255;1435163484;ascii_field;surrender is the ultimate 'user friendly' (2nd only to death)
1174256;1435163563;BingoBoingo;Muh Oppression as a 'Dukes of Hazard' fan
1174257;1435163579;BingoBoingo;White Fandom matters
1174258;1435163618;ascii_field;wai wat
1174259;1435163684;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174201 << in the linked article, yes. in old thread of mine, i was describing conventional radio leak
1174260;1435163684;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 15:52:32; kakobrekla: pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues
1174261;1435163712;ascii_field;(linked article also describes optical snooping using mechanical vibration & reflections of sunlight etc)
1174262;1435163758;ascii_field;i will describe what is probably the cheapest way to make a 'stealth keyboard' . but no one will like it.
1174263;1435163770;kakobrekla;rf from ps2 cable ?
1174264;1435163772;pete_dushenski;laser keyboard !
1174265;1435163775;ascii_field;no
1174266;1435163776;ascii_field;no
1174267;1435163792;kakobrekla;rf from switches
1174268;1435163797;kakobrekla;aite
1174269;1435163800;ascii_field;kakobrekla: from scan grid
1174270;1435163844;ascii_field;so, consider a kaleidoscope. copper barrel, like victorian telescopes etc. eyepiece - glass, indium oxide (scavenge from old lcd; electrically conductive)
1174271;1435163861;ascii_field;inside - led matrix 8x8, non-scanned, displays one letter.
1174272;1435163880;ascii_field;device picks where in alphabet to start - at random (trng)
1174273;1435163889;pete_dushenski;https://www.flickr.com/photos/usnationalarchives/sets/72157653877789929/page1 << coupla boys havin a gay ol' time
1174274;1435163891;assbot;Vice President Cheney with President George W. Bush, Part 2 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBvoAW )
1174275;1435163891;ascii_field;user peers in eyepiece, turns wheel
1174276;1435163893;mircea_popescu;why not just have an array of em
1174277;1435163895;ascii_field;when correct letter appears, presses it.
1174278;1435163902;mircea_popescu;and just press the one you like
1174279;1435163909;ascii_field;it is important that nothing can be determined by looking at user!
1174280;1435163910;ascii_field;from outside
1174281;1435163924;ascii_field;because you do not know where in the alphabet it began, each time.
1174282;1435163929;mircea_popescu;how about getting a picture of a whole keyboard rather than a key then
1174283;1435163959;ascii_field;what's the point of having so many pixels
1174284;1435163976;mircea_popescu;so they're enough for everyone
1174285;1435163982;ascii_field;8x8 non-scanned is practical. beyond that (e.g. graphical lcd) you now have a scanning matrix!
1174286;1435163986;ascii_field;these are rf-noisy.
1174287;1435163995;ascii_field;and hardly fit in telescope.
1174288;1435164004;ascii_field;brass captain's telescope.
1174289;1435164023;kakobrekla;im sure they will come, but would be funny if they will come with the unlikely usb sniffer instead of ps2 while the gang makes noise on ps2. sorta what happened in bosnia > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown
1174290;1435164024;assbot;1999 F-117A shootdown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgv9tf )
1174291;1435164026;*;ascii_field ~did warn~ that no one will like this keyboard.
1174292;1435164030;ascii_field;but it is 'secure'
1174293;1435164030;ascii_field;!
1174294;1435164201;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the part where the serbs were breaking nato codes is never given much airplay.
1174295;1435164220;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1174296;1435164224;ascii_field;it also would be logical for whatever consumes the sooper s33kr17 text string (e.g., salted password hasher) to actually live in that brass tube.
1174297;1435164272;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu true, id say its more likely nato self leak, but anyway, the radar thing is quite lulzy
1174298;1435164326;ascii_field;phun phakt: detecting 'stealth' airplane is easier today than ever
1174299;1435164332;ascii_field;because of the cell tower shadow it creates
1174300;1435164459;mircea_popescu;"stealth plane" is a dead idea.
1174301;1435164500;ascii_field;still works great for original purpose for which was built (siphon of usg budget to good ol'boys, what did you think it was)
1174302;1435164515;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1173963 << Muh culture is being oppressed!
1174303;1435164515;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 08:31:34; cazalla: looks like google has shitcanned confederate flags https://www.google.com.au/webhp?&gfe_rd=cr&ei=rGqKVbPaEcf98wedmIHwDg#q=confederate+flag&tbm=shop
1174304;1435164564;mircea_popescu;ascii_field a magical toothpick works just as well for that purpose.
1174305;1435164595;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://skepdic.com/quadro.html << it
1174306;1435164596;assbot;Quadro QRS 250G Detector - the Quadro Tracker - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgwf8v )
1174307;1435164602;ascii_field;(magic toothpick, approximately)
1174308;1435164637;ascii_field;state of the art re: minimality, short of plain old $trillion-in-paper-cash-'missing'-in-iraq sort of siphon
1174309;1435164684;mircea_popescu;pretty good.
1174310;1435164860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00040827 = 6.0424 BTC [-]
1174311;1435164921;williamdunne;For those that still use Twitter
1174312;1435164927;williamdunne;https://twitter.com/scoopbotrevived
1174313;1435164928;assbot;Scoopbot The Third (@ScoopbotRevived) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgwYX6 )
1174314;1435164940;williamdunne;Will publish anything that he posts here on twitter also
1174315;1435165425;scoopbot_revived;ISIS About to Introduce Altcoin into Circulation http://qntra.net/2015/06/isis-about-to-introduce-altcoin-into-circulation/
1174316;1435165490;mircea_popescu;loller
1174317;1435165692;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't get this distinction you propose. so "unlike the cryptocurrency Bitcoin, Gold seized immediately preserves its full exchange value.", what's this mean, that people paid less for faux Bitcoin the USMS was pretending to be selling than for faux Bitcoin pirate was pretending to be going to pay them ?
1174318;1435165694;mircea_popescu;no such thing.
1174319;1435165775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127750 @ 0.00040827 = 52.1565 BTC [-]
1174320;1435165846;BingoBoingo;It means that if you seize some bitcoin and send it immediately to herpity derp service they might turp their way into "returning it" out of some misguided notion of ownership. Gotta at least use a solid mixer like BitBet
1174321;1435165866;mats;this is not comprehensible
1174322;1435165871;ascii_field;^
1174323;1435165922;BingoBoingo;See http://qntra.net/2015/06/coinjar-coo-ryan-zhou-caught-impersonating-dice-sites-developer/ where BTC-E "returned" coins a dice site gave away
1174324;1435165923;assbot;CoinJar COO Ryan Zhou Caught Impersonating Dice Site's Developer | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgz4Gt )
1174325;1435165956;BingoBoingo;It isn't an actual property of Bitcoins. It is a failing of the social structuring of the stupid.
1174326;1435166006;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it makes no sense at all.
1174327;1435166012;BingoBoingo;Mebbe I need to think about this moar
1174328;1435166020;mircea_popescu;someone could steal your gold after you sent it just as well, what's that to do with the gold ?
1174329;1435166032;mircea_popescu;most of the gold the spanish sent to spain ended up in london.
1174330;1435166088;*;BingoBoingo rereads original ISIS article
1174331;1435166091;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1174332;1435166192;BingoBoingo;Ah, I was refering to the need to get the keys or the coins, as in you can't take a laptop "full of Bitcoin" and have seized the coins: "Bitcoin on the other hand demands not only mere physical possession, but actual control of a set of keys necessary to transfer value. While gold is vulnerable to a simple change of possession, Bitcoin requires a more difficult but possible intellectual change of possession."
1174333;1435166206;BingoBoingo;ANd in there is a link to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061
1174334;1435166207;assbot;Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgzFIl )
1174335;1435166248;mircea_popescu;do you basically mean that bitcoin can not be held without tools, whereas gold can, or at least to a higher degree ?
1174336;1435166268;mircea_popescu;this is a very different thing.
1174337;1435166318;ascii_field;pretty easy to 'hold without tools'
1174338;1435166321;ascii_field;brainwallet.
1174339;1435166709;mircea_popescu;yeah, but there's a minimum brain size required.
1174340;1435166718;mircea_popescu;there isn't a minimum hand size required by gold.
1174341;1435166728;ascii_field;on the contrary
1174342;1435166734;ascii_field;gold needs bigger fist than anyone has.
1174343;1435166747;ascii_field;(to hold with same tightness as btc)
1174344;1435166752;mircea_popescu;this is true. nevertheless, bitcoin is very elitist by its nature, which flows from this.
1174345;1435166772;mircea_popescu;ie, it enforces a "must be this tall to ride" limit rather than allowing people to delude themselves about it
1174346;1435166780;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-06-2015#1159370
1174347;1435166780;assbot;Logged on 10-06-2015 17:00:45; ascii_field: it is the ultimate 'iq test'
1174348;1435166900;ascii_field;speaking of 'brainwallet', mircea_popescu's picture of usg prison where 'lifetime pension' is probably not long for this world.
1174349;1435166905;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> do you basically mean that bitcoin can not be held without tools, whereas gold can, or at least to a higher degree ? << At the time more physical possession of gold is different from possession of bitcoin
1174350;1435166922;ascii_field;it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine
1174351;1435166930;ascii_field;a meal costs, say, 5-10btc
1174352;1435166997;mircea_popescu;hahaha good luck with that.
1174353;1435167025;ascii_field;it won't be for ~every~ schmuck
1174354;1435167032;ascii_field;just for the ones 'too kewl for school'
1174355;1435167033;mircea_popescu;i don't buy from paypal, you expect me to trade with your vending machine ? wtf is this, "free market the way we like it" ?
1174356;1435167065;ascii_field;machine will be marked 'mean - 5btc. skipped arse dilation session - 10.'
1174357;1435167068;ascii_field;or somethinglikethat
1174358;1435167069;mircea_popescu;for the record, that system already exists, for wall street pencildicks.
1174359;1435167083;ascii_field;yeah but this'll be 100% automated
1174360;1435167089;ascii_field;no need for fallible human torturer
1174361;1435167090;mircea_popescu;about half the people currently working there have this episode in their life, "give us all your money and we'll agree to not let you work for x years"
1174362;1435167108;mircea_popescu;it's pretty automated as it is. look through wall street "prosecutions" sometime.
1174363;1435167136;mircea_popescu;the reason there's nothing left there but crooks is precisely that the onl;y deal available is "i try to steal as much as i can, if you catch me you get it and i take a vacation"
1174364;1435167166;ascii_field;today 'vacation', tomorrow - esp. if they suspect you haven't in fact given 'it all' - the vending machine.
1174365;1435167178;ascii_field;this is what being a prisoner ~means~ - you are a plaything for someone else's amusement
1174366;1435167185;ascii_field;to use in laboratory for experiments, if they like.
1174367;1435167255;mircea_popescu;heh. you have a very idealized view of marriage.
1174368;1435167260;mircea_popescu;never works that way in practice.
1174369;1435167323;ascii_field;worked great in cn (jp jailers experimenting with 'what internal organs does this fella ~really~ need' etc)
1174370;1435167327;ascii_field;and in germany
1174371;1435167403;ascii_field;'vending machine' is inevitable because, unlike torquemada's chambers, it ~can be built by 'pencil dicks'~
1174372;1435167433;ascii_field;like washing machine. throw schmuck in, get btc out, eventually remove dessicated corpse, rinse, repeat.
1174373;1435167498;ascii_field;everybody stands a risk of being taken alive, and ought to be prepared mentally for this device.
1174374;1435167610;mats;voluntold organ harvesting is still an ongoing thing in cn
1174375;1435167665;ascii_field;mats: works great with above setup. optionally jailer doesn't wait for you to starve, a few wks without any signal from vending machine & you go to the harversing table (wide awake naturally)
1174376;1435167675;ascii_field;*harvesting
1174377;1435167737;mats;makes a lot of economic sense. why waste good meat.
1174378;1435167762;ascii_field;aha
1174379;1435167775;ascii_field;but in the future, death in captivity will be mainly about being 'helped to remember' brainwallets.
1174380;1435167808;ascii_field;and only secondarily about meat
1174381;1435168014;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1174382;1435168035;ascii_field;for famous (or otherwise 'ransomable') folks, machine will have an externally-advertised btc addr
1174383;1435168048;ascii_field;perhaps painted on outside wall of the jail
1174384;1435168093;mats;lol
1174385;1435168133;chetty; ascii_field should write sci-fi
1174386;1435168155;ascii_field;nah, hanbot ought to write this one
1174387;1435168166;ascii_field;prequel to 'shall be delivered' perhaps
1174388;1435168201;ascii_field;i don't have a prayer of doing half as good a job as hanbot on this one.
1174389;1435168210;mats;'donate 4btc to 1Alf153X to rotate asciilifeform's cell over shark pit'
1174390;1435168225;mats;'5btc for quadrant with dogs'
1174391;1435168230;ascii_field;'2btc for snakepit'
1174392;1435168279;ascii_field;^ this'll be for candidates for 'national 5 minute hate'
1174393;1435168290;ascii_field;infamous 't3rr0r1st4s' etc
1174394;1435168304;mircea_popescu;voluntold lol
1174395;1435168337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 417693 @ 0.00040776 = 170.3185 BTC [-] {5} 
1174396;1435168357;mircea_popescu;anyway, nothing scifi here, it's more like emofi
1174397;1435168373;mircea_popescu;clarke wrote scifi. orwell wrote emofi. not the same thing at all.
1174398;1435168382;ascii_field;it's like orwell's 'telescreen' thing. inevitable tech
1174399;1435168388;ascii_field;was well-obvious even then.
1174400;1435168411;thestringpuller;didn't tv's exist in 1948?
1174401;1435168420;ascii_field;aha
1174402;1435168459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00040157 = 14.0148 BTC [-]
1174403;1435168530;ascii_field;incidentally, usg - like the regime portrayed by orwell - spends $maxint on attempts to 'read minds'. not always even laughably stupid - the mri 'has seen this object or not before' trick appears to actually work
1174404;1435168549;ascii_field;and could, in combination with something like the letter wheel described earlier, 'help remember wallet'
1174405;1435168631;ascii_field;(and before someone chimes in with 'so don't use brainwallet' - ~every~ wallet that you can get to, but mr schmuck can't, because you know where you buried it, etc. is in fact a 'brainwallet')
1174406;1435168977;ascii_field;i'd much like to hear a persuasive argument re: why all of the above won't happen.
1174407;1435169067;mats;my memory palace is dark and full of terrors
1174408;1435169730;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: can anyone recall why http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20141218/bitcoin-v0_5_3-rm_checkpoints_41327b9a962e6d27869f4d361d742ab5c7061ede.5.patch didn't make it in ?
1174409;1435169732;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyQq8Z )
1174410;1435169768;punkman;because it blows up trying to verify all transactions
1174411;1435169781;ascii_field;if it doesn't verify, it didn't happen in bitcoin ?
1174412;1435169815;ascii_field;does the ~genuine~, honest blockchain actually contain blocks that never verified ?
1174413;1435169828;ascii_field;(how?!)
1174414;1435169832;punkman;they verified at some combination of bitcoind and openssl
1174415;1435169862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91944 @ 0.00041442 = 38.1034 BTC [+] {2} 
1174416;1435169972;jurov;!up ascii_field
1174417;1435170083;ascii_field;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos << probably ought to be either updated or tossed ?
1174418;1435170084;assbot;0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6TYAO )
1174419;1435170350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142985 @ 0.00040156 = 57.4171 BTC [-] {3} 
1174420;1435170716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190400 @ 0.00041989 = 79.9471 BTC [+] {2} 
1174421;1435170717;mod6;ascii_field: re: checkpoints: the patch worked fine to remove checkpoints, but it was tabled for the time being.  the main discussion around this was that it could be helpful to hvae checkpoints in there to prevent spamming of blocks from timestamps before a checkpoint.
1174422;1435170764;mod6;at a later time when we have everything setup for a checkpoint configuration file, then we can revisit.
1174423;1435170776;ascii_field;i'm all for having them in there minus the 'skip checks prior to checkpoints' thing
1174424;1435170795;ascii_field;skipping sig verifications ever, for any reason, is braindamaged
1174425;1435171014;mod6;wher is this now?
1174426;1435171036;ascii_field;mod6: the original (in there now) checkpoint code
1174427;1435171054;mod6;the part you're talking about is in main.cpp right?
1174428;1435171097;ascii_field;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0936
1174429;1435171098;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyS0Ie )
1174430;1435171178;mats;http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-americans-are-biggest-terror-threat-u-s-study-n380931
1174431;1435171179;assbot;White Americans Are Biggest Terror Threat in U.S.: Study - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyS4aS )
1174432;1435171186;punkman;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0936 << when I removed the IFs there it blew up before block 150k, wonder if it works for anyone else
1174433;1435171471;mod6;ascii_field: so you're saying you'd like to just git rid of line 939?
1174434;1435171520;ascii_field;aha
1174435;1435171524;ben_vulpes;where does fblock get set?
1174436;1435171540;mod6;where it's called
1174437;1435171550;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-02-2015#1005892
1174438;1435171550;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2015 04:26:05; asciilifeform: is the only place where fBlock is true
1174439;1435171555;mod6;check out line 435
1174440;1435171586;mod6;yeah, line 1099 sets it to true.
1174441;1435171611;ben_vulpes;hyu
1174442;1435171620;ben_vulpes;what happens if the blockchain contains invalid blocks?
1174443;1435171635;ben_vulpes;coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints?
1174444;1435171646;ben_vulpes;not that they're not zombies already, but...
1174445;1435171647;ascii_field;they already earned the coffins
1174446;1435171663;ben_vulpes;my point is that they're still walking.
1174447;1435171692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130100 @ 0.00039889 = 51.8956 BTC [-] {3} 
1174448;1435171730;ascii_field;at the very least i want to know ~why~ invalid block made it into the chain
1174449;1435171748;ascii_field;and cui bono
1174450;1435171787;ascii_field;and whether it is actually cryptographically invalid, or only protocol-invalid
1174451;1435171802;ascii_field;(i.e. invalid on account of a field that can be corrected today without changing validity of signature)
1174452;1435171821;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1174453;1435171929;ascii_field;iirc this got lost in the noise of the great wedge thing at the time
1174454;1435171941;ascii_field;and was forgotten when bdb locks patch discovered
1174455;1435172485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 369950 @ 0.00041903 = 155.0201 BTC [+] {5} 
1174456;1435172668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153350 @ 0.00042356 = 64.9529 BTC [+] {2} 
1174457;1435172811;mod6;So anyway, we'll have to remember this when we revist the Checkpoints issue.  My patch will be rejected then, and we'll come up with something that gets rid of line 939 as well as pulling the checkpoints themselves out of checkpoints.cpp and into a separate config file.
1174458;1435173461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 236211 @ 0.00039808 = 94.0309 BTC [-] {2} 
1174459;1435173722;mod6;!up ascii_field
1174460;1435174376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169700 @ 0.00039689 = 67.3522 BTC [-] {2} 
1174461;1435174501;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-7xfBrjSA0
1174462;1435174502;assbot;Bananas, Sardines and Sharks - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtGBZl )
1174463;1435176755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173300 @ 0.00041641 = 72.1639 BTC [+]
1174464;1435176950;trinque;http://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-ramps-up-response-to-russia-1435174136 << "Breedlove" ... life imitates art?
1174465;1435176951;assbot;      NATO Ramps Up Response to Russia - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1LozQiB )
1174466;1435177243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122100 @ 0.00041673 = 50.8827 BTC [+] {2} 
1174467;1435178566;mircea_popescu;fluffypony http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?368748-New-Blender-Foundation-Transparency-Blog&p=2892541&highlight=#post2892541
1174468;1435178567;assbot; New Blender Foundation Transparency Blog - Page 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoDZDq )
1174469;1435178573;mircea_popescu;should be interesting.
1174470;1435178761;fluffypony;oh good
1174471;1435178826;jurov;lol
1174472;1435178850;jurov;on slightly related note, we hatched with thestringpuller a scheme for poor USians to take hold of X.EUR
1174473;1435178861;jurov;when it works, we'll let you know
1174474;1435178890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44991 @ 0.00039617 = 17.8241 BTC [-] {3} 
1174475;1435178899;jurov;(or you can inquire within if impatient)
1174476;1435179012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92200 @ 0.00041363 = 38.1367 BTC [+]
1174477;1435179179;mircea_popescu;i think that's gonna be the bitcoin thing - we're here to surprise you.
1174478;1435179205;mircea_popescu;re rm_checkpoints, iirc mod6 has it.
1174479;1435179260;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints? << this is necessarily true. bitcoin hardforked once.
1174480;1435179437;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1174481;1435179439;thestringpuller;secret hardfork?
1174482;1435179462;nubbins`;is testnet still forked?
1174483;1435179470;mircea_popescu;nothing secret about it, satoshi did it.
1174484;1435179561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95755 @ 0.000396 = 37.919 BTC [-] {2} 
1174485;1435179578;ascii_field;btw any reason not to amputate 'testnet' ?
1174486;1435179592;nubbins`;nah
1174487;1435179602;nubbins`;with no wallet, what's the worst you'd do to it?
1174488;1435179609;nubbins`;relay a tx?
1174489;1435179622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23317 @ 0.00039559 = 9.224 BTC [-]
1174490;1435179640;mircea_popescu;the mystery of meat : http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7nmzvFXMC1rvaz2uo1_1280.jpg slut in seethrough outfit looks better than naked.
1174491;1435179642;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoHeKX )
1174492;1435179674;ascii_field;nubbins`: in point of fact, therealbitcoin includes wallet
1174493;1435179681;mircea_popescu;ascii_field iirc the agreement was that it can go, as it serves no useful purpose nor has for a long time - but not a priority. we're atm working on getting the priorities in AND RUNNING
1174494;1435179701;nubbins`;ascii_field don't mind me 8)
1174495;1435179702;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: no argument
1174496;1435179726;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: other than the observation that shorter -> simpler -> everything is slightly less retarded and easier to make sense of
1174497;1435179738;mircea_popescu;the and running part includes incontrovertibly a step where a page exists online that is substantially identical to http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Ubuntu
1174498;1435179740;assbot;Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoHwRZ )
1174499;1435179747;mircea_popescu;the "navigate to /bitcoin" pointers y compris.
1174500;1435179752;mircea_popescu;jam - tomorrow. today, this.
1174501;1435179874;thestringpuller;it will be interesting the posts on reddit when you kill gavincoin just like doge mircea_popescu
1174502;1435179894;thestringpuller;i wonder if they'll call you a tyrant
1174503;1435179915;punkman;mircea_popescu: re:blender, why send paypal instead of btc (or even a wire)?
1174504;1435179918;mircea_popescu;i've been a girl before.
1174505;1435179950;nubbins`;hm
1174506;1435179957;mircea_popescu;punkman because a) when i first asked, their idea was "buy a mug" ; b) the link i finally fished out did not include any reference either i or fluffypony found (see it in logs) - they have A DIFFERENT unlinked page for this purpose
1174507;1435179957;nubbins`;thought it was the other way around
1174508;1435179964;mircea_popescu;and c) wire for 50 euro seems iffy, to me.
1174509;1435179988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 432300 @ 0.00039423 = 170.4256 BTC [-] {5} 
1174510;1435179990;mircea_popescu;nubbins` s/girl/called a girl/ mr nubbins bedalins!
1174511;1435180018;nubbins`;nubbins bedalins, is that like amelia bedelia?
1174512;1435180022;mircea_popescu;aye
1174513;1435180025;thestringpuller;they are pushing the blender cloud service pretty hard these days
1174514;1435180060;punkman;what's the cloud service for, rendering?
1174515;1435180079;mircea_popescu;yeah. makes a lot of sense, from what i've seen.
1174516;1435180103;mircea_popescu;anyway - this is what the vanishing 1% intelligent gpu bitcoin miners did with their rigs.
1174517;1435180109;thestringpuller;punkman: no it's like MSDN but for blender revolging around an open source movie
1174518;1435180123;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/bmMPEbw.png
1174519;1435180124;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoIXA4 )
1174520;1435180149;punkman;thestringpuller: dafuq
1174521;1435180159;nubbins`;it's like adobe CC but for blender?
1174522;1435180166;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller wut ?
1174523;1435180179;thestringpuller;Blender Cloud is a high quality web service in which we share all data of our previous films, all our training videos and files, and a continuous stream of data from the Gooseberry project.
1174524;1435180183;thestringpuller;Blender Cloud subscribers can watch the creation progress closely, share this with others, learn from it, and even contribute back to it.
1174525;1435180193;punkman;derp
1174526;1435180214;mircea_popescu;gah
1174527;1435180220;trinque;it's like... facebook, but for blender users, y'see
1174528;1435180221;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure i saw rendering prices etc.
1174529;1435180223;nubbins`;o
1174530;1435180235;nubbins`;so it's like dvd extras
1174531;1435180246;nubbins`;cool, where'd i put my money
1174532;1435180251;nubbins`;;/
1174533;1435180277;mircea_popescu;https://render.st/
1174534;1435180278;assbot;Blender & V-Ray rendering on a fast Render Farm - Render Street ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIFMQc )
1174535;1435180281;mircea_popescu;apparently that was unrelated.
1174536;1435180286;mircea_popescu;dude...
1174537;1435180515;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174461 <<< bananas cheap? they were around $15/kg a few years ago down under (on account of storms destroying the banana growing regions and the fact bananas cannot be imported into australia)
1174538;1435180515;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 19:35:01; Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-7xfBrjSA0
1174539;1435180529;mircea_popescu;o.O ?!
1174540;1435180539;mircea_popescu;dude bananas are like 1 dollar / kg worldwide.
1174541;1435180621;cazalla;about $2.99/kg atm but every few years the storms destroy the plantations and up the price goes
1174542;1435180735;cazalla;that is for cavendish, lady fingers are around $7.50-$10/kg
1174543;1435180735;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: What is the drink you have in your blender picture?
1174544;1435180758;mircea_popescu;ugh
1174545;1435180786;mircea_popescu;that is actually a mexican sundae. except with cognac.
1174546;1435180964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98200 @ 0.00041306 = 40.5625 BTC [+]
1174547;1435180978;williamdunne;That sounds pretty nice
1174548;1435181006;nubbins`;"My boss wouldn't accept Bitcoin. I have since quit my job"
1174549;1435181007;williamdunne;On that note:
1174550;1435181008;williamdunne;bitcoin-logo-plainBitcoin
1174551;1435181008;williamdunne;Blender Foundation can receive Bitcoin donations made using the following address:
1174552;1435181008;williamdunne;17orEh51ab8HoU7g8Ezwcp76jCpeL7PabJ
1174553;1435181019;*;nubbins` weeps as his sides crumble and fall
1174554;1435181044;nubbins`;"My boss wouldn't accept Bitcoin. I have since quit my job, set up a competitor"
1174555;1435181058;nubbins`;your poor boss ;p
1174556;1435181061;williamdunne;Yeah that was about as derpy as it gets
1174557;1435181076;nubbins`;of course the fucking dog dick is a "web designer"
1174558;1435181107;nubbins`;someone should do a browser extension that changes all instances of "boss" in /r/bitcoin to "parents"
1174559;1435181162;mircea_popescu;lol im sure his parents took bitcoin
1174560;1435181187;mircea_popescu;also leaves, bits of their own front yard, inept 6yo drawings on bits of wallpaper etc
1174561;1435181220;williamdunne;In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50%
1174562;1435181221;trinque;"mom you stupid whore! where's my hot pocket?!"
1174563;1435181277;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1174564;1435181288;thestringpuller;my mom woulda put me in the ground had I spoken like that to her as a kid
1174565;1435181290;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174561 << wai wat?! we're swallowing usg stats now ?
1174566;1435181290;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 21:27:00; williamdunne: In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50%
1174567;1435181334;williamdunne;ascii_field: nah, but USG stats are what, 4%? I reckon 10% is about right
1174568;1435181335;ascii_field;(usg counts as 'employed' anyone of working age who isn't collecting state-funded 'unemployment pension')
1174569;1435181363;williamdunne;5.5%
1174570;1435181391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129574 @ 0.00040386 = 52.3298 BTC [-]
1174571;1435181406;nubbins`;out of work and not looking? you're not unemployed.
1174572;1435181416;nubbins`;STATS FTW
1174573;1435181539;trinque;thestringpuller: I'm a firm believer in post-natal abortion rights.
1174574;1435181761;williamdunne;nubbins`: Wouldn't that be fair anyway?
1174575;1435181788;williamdunne;I always thought the stat was meant to reflect those looking for work who can't find it
1174576;1435181826;mircea_popescu;i thought unemployed is "hasn't made 1mn clicks on fb stuff this month"
1174577;1435182192;williamdunne;Thats employed, surely?
1174578;1435182227;mircea_popescu;hm
1174579;1435182243;mircea_popescu;better get the pm request special powers to investigate the content of people clicks
1174580;1435182251;mircea_popescu;otherwise we will never be able to answer this dilemma.
1174581;1435182306;nubbins`;i think that's included in the next omnibus bill
1174582;1435182316;nubbins`;gotta get it going before mulcair gets elected
1174583;1435182667;mircea_popescu;lol
1174584;1435182672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162940 @ 0.00041371 = 67.4099 BTC [+] {3} 
1174585;1435183132;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1174586;1435183160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47806 @ 0.00039302 = 18.7887 BTC [-]
1174587;1435183164;pete_dushenski;trinque: that's called 'infanticide' and will apparently kill your chances with teh ladies
1174588;1435183185;pete_dushenski;not unlike williamdunne telling them they belong in the kitchen, i suppose
1174589;1435183251;trinque;pete_dushenski: so I hear, yet primate infanticide is most certainly a thing.
1174590;1435183287;pete_dushenski;insect too
1174591;1435183324;pete_dushenski;throughout the animal kingdom, really
1174592;1435183445;williamdunne;ahaha
1174593;1435183457;williamdunne;Yes, infanticide might be slightly better
1174594;1435183592;trinque;I've seen more than a few things published on whether "sudden infant death syndrome" (obviously a questionable concept on its own) is a more palatable "diagnosis" for infanticide
1174595;1435183747;pete_dushenski;trinque that'd make sense y'know
1174596;1435183750;mircea_popescu;!up kenburnes
1174597;1435183786;mircea_popescu;eh from what i've heard, they convicted a buncha women for what actually was bona fide kids dying
1174598;1435183792;mircea_popescu;in here kenburnes
1174599;1435183801;kenburnes;hi
1174600;1435183807;mircea_popescu;how goes.
1174601;1435183816;kenburnes;ok
1174602;1435183960;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu go figure that the courts would find personal responsbility where there is none to counterbalance their continued lenience when it's actually there, as with 'insanity' pleas.
1174603;1435183983;trinque;yeah, I can see how the thing resembles other media-fueled panics
1174604;1435183991;mircea_popescu;i suppose on the surface "sudden infant death" seems insanity, as adults don't do anything like that.
1174605;1435184015;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, spontaneous abortion is a thing, and obviously children inhabit some sort of continuum between that and adulthood, so...
1174606;1435184020;mircea_popescu;who knows, nature's complex enough.
1174607;1435184177;pete_dushenski;and the scope of science such as it exists currently is woefully inadequate to study the matter
1174608;1435184215;mircea_popescu;not that inadequate. iirc it's the leading cause of death in small children in the western world.
1174609;1435184257;pete_dushenski;i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia"
1174610;1435184263;mircea_popescu;but so far most of the productions on the topic are "smoking is bad and vaccines good mkay"
1174611;1435184319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00042345 = 30.8695 BTC [+]
1174612;1435184359;pete_dushenski;trying to control variables in any such sids experiment would require insane amounts of data and coordination
1174613;1435184372;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174589 <<< they kill other people's kids, not their own though yeah?
1174614;1435184372;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 22:00:51; trinque: pete_dushenski: so I hear, yet primate infanticide is most certainly a thing.
1174615;1435184442;punkman;dunno about humans, but baby goat is delicious
1174616;1435184502;mircea_popescu;baby sheep's even better.
1174617;1435184527;*;mircea_popescu spent his decade or so of acquaintance with indian cuisine eating pretty much nothing but lamb.
1174618;1435184617;BingoBoingo;Goat and lamb both delicious, as are suckling pigs
1174619;1435184778;punkman;kinda hard to distinguish baby goat/lamb after cooking, at least for my taste buds
1174620;1435184990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121839 @ 0.00042345 = 51.5927 BTC [+] {2} 
1174621;1435185050;BingoBoingo;punkman: The difference is in the preparation that takes it to that point.
1174622;1435185051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30046 @ 0.00042656 = 12.8164 BTC [+]
1174623;1435185588;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo "the later is simply for hire" << two t's
1174624;1435186149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00042656 = 5.0974 BTC [+]
1174625;1435186729;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Fixed
1174626;1435187099;pete_dushenski;cool beans. i'm outie. laters!
1174627;1435187430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41980 @ 0.00042725 = 17.936 BTC [+] {2} 
1174628;1435187491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281592 @ 0.0004296 = 120.9719 BTC [+] {8} 
1174629;1435187699;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174609 << it was.
1174630;1435187699;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 22:17:37; pete_dushenski: i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia"
1174631;1435187724;asciilifeform;;;google sarah blaffer hrdy
1174632;1435187725;gribble;Sarah Blaffer Hrdy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Blaffer_Hrdy>; Sarah B. Hrdy — Anthropology: <http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/sbhrdy>; An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - Scientific ...: <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy- (1 more message)
1174633;1435187788;asciilifeform;^ has book, 'mother nature', where the thesis is laid out. recommended.
1174634;1435187868;asciilifeform;http://bradhicks.livejournal.com/328184.html
1174635;1435187873;asciilifeform;^ mega-review
1174636;1435187910;asciilifeform;^ i posted it to 'reddit' when the latter was still readable, in '07, and for a while it held, i think, the 'vote' #1 record on that site
1174637;1435187944;phf;so i'm running thermonuked version: at 180k blockcount, i got 44526 bastards, 44007 of which have been eventually accepted with an average 3 minute delay.
1174638;1435187962;phf;bitcoind keeps rerequesting same bastard blocks before there's enough blockchain to accept it, on average i got 3-4 rejections for the same block, with a few worst cases of ~100 rerequests
1174639;1435188008;asciilifeform;phf: read the src. bitcoind never 'requests bastard block', it requests 'next blocks' and ends up with a great many that aren't the precise next block we want
1174640;1435188059;asciilifeform;'So she gave a preliminary paper on the subject in 1976, suggesting that more research was needed to explain how this behavior could possibly have evolved in primates, only to be interrupted in mid talk by an audience member, a prominent expert in her field. He stood up, tried to stop her from finishing reading her paper, announced that primate females absolutely do not ever murder their own children, and that if she had obser
1174641;1435188060;asciilifeform;ved a primate colony in which primate females were killing their own children, it could only be because of something she had done to them; she must have committed some horrible breach of experimental ethics that so deranged these monkeys that she had driven them insane enough to do something that no monkey had ever done before. He then stormed out of the talk and went directly to the scientific press to denounce her for whatev
1174642;1435188060;asciilifeform;er it was that she had done to that monkey colony, so it probably is a good thing that she was already planning on changing fields, no?'
1174643;1435188062;phf;asciilifeform: that's how i understand it, just poor wording on my part
1174644;1435188109;asciilifeform;phf: so it works precisely as one might expect.
1174645;1435188141;mircea_popescu;phf am i reading what you're saying correctly , "thermonuked more efficient network utilization" ?
1174646;1435188234;ben_vulpes;hi phf!
1174647;1435188237;ben_vulpes;good to see you again.
1174648;1435188270;ben_vulpes;phf: is this on os x?
1174649;1435188275;ben_vulpes;!rated phf
1174650;1435188275;assbot;You rated user phf on 16-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: lisper..
1174651;1435188346;phf;asciilifeform: right, no surprises there so far. i thought that maybe as blockchain grows the cumulative delay will increase, but i don't see that happening yet
1174652;1435188387;phf;ben_vulpes: heya! yeah, i quit my previous job, so i have a lot more time for avocation
1174653;1435188396;asciilifeform;phf: out of curiosity, what was the logic behind this hypothesis ?
1174654;1435188555;phf;asciilifeform: a hunch, but also poor understanding of how blocks are requested. i thought that maybe bastards will compete for bandwidth with legitimate blocks
1174655;1435188586;asciilifeform;phf: in the sense that they are uselessly occupying the pipe while they're moving - they do
1174656;1435188614;asciilifeform;but 'bastard' from the perspective of a node is simply any block for which the immediate antecedent is not already on disk
1174657;1435188627;asciilifeform;almost always it is a legit (main chain) block
1174658;1435188643;phf;right
1174659;1435188666;phf;bastard in this case is something that's will eventually be joined onto blockchain
1174660;1435188673;asciilifeform;... or not
1174661;1435188683;asciilifeform;(in cases of genuine crud blocks)
1174662;1435188725;asciilifeform;understand, the entire sync mechanism as-we-have-it is profoundly retarded
1174663;1435188743;asciilifeform;but there is no especially attractive way of fixing this, presently
1174664;1435188817;asciilifeform;all that can be done is to have a node that 1) syncs, eventually 2) allows others to sync from self 3) doesn't go around writing blank cheques for the system resources of the box it runs on and handing them out to street scum
1174665;1435188861;asciilifeform;it was in the interest of (3) that i amputated the 'orphan tx' cache as well.
1174666;1435188894;asciilifeform;phf: both patches are presently considered 'experimental' and not yet ratified by therealbitcoin.
1174667;1435188898;phf;mircea_popescu: i guess thermonuked is less efficient network utilization, but per asciilifeform better then less efficient memory utilization which was the case pre thermonuke
1174668;1435188921;asciilifeform;it is demonstrably less efficient than if there were a cache
1174669;1435188929;phf;right
1174670;1435188933;mircea_popescu;phf do you intend to publish results of your run anywhere ?
1174671;1435188933;asciilifeform;but we presently lack a non-retarded implementation of such a cache
1174672;1435188945;mircea_popescu;!up execut3
1174673;1435188945;asciilifeform;(this is trickier than it appears, on account of, e.g., memory fragmentation effect)
1174674;1435188976;phf;mircea_popescu: yes, will post here, once i have closer to complete blockchain
1174675;1435188989;mircea_popescu;cool.
1174676;1435188995;mircea_popescu;!rated phf
1174677;1435188995;assbot;You have not rated phf.
1174678;1435189005;mircea_popescu;!rate phf 1 New blood
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1174680;1435189017;phf;asciilifeform: memory fragmentation effect?
1174681;1435189025;asciilifeform;!s fragging
1174682;1435189026;assbot;17 results for 'fragging' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fragging
1174683;1435189031;phf;thx
1174684;1435189032;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phf.1:a15501b9b874c832d39da21bd66e77d5c726136d1695025a7edffba5998423ff
1174685;1435189032;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for phf with note: New blood
1174686;1435189055;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-05-2015#1147075
1174687;1435189055;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 19:48:57; asciilifeform: 2) tiny turds, stored and then reclaimed, lead to fragging
1174688;1435189060;asciilifeform;^ shortest explanation
1174689;1435189255;mircea_popescu;http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?370981-Blender-s-future-on-Mac-is-in-jepordy-and-we-re-looking-for-support
1174690;1435189256;assbot; Blender's future on Mac is in jepordy and we're looking for support ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBxgmZ )
1174691;1435189259;mircea_popescu;"Mac has never been a viable platform for professional production 3d work"
1174692;1435189275;mircea_popescu;the things one finds on the internet. i thought mac survived principally because graphics shitheads.
1174693;1435189314;ben_vulpes;illustrator != blender
1174694;1435189323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno. that was '90s apple (the actual apple, prior to its death and devourment of corpse by 'next' corp.)
1174695;1435189370;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah, apparently the problem is that whatever actual driver support they had, marginal as it was, they're chucking in the new osx
1174696;1435189382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113288 @ 0.00042687 = 48.3592 BTC [-] {2} 
1174697;1435189384;asciilifeform;today it survives principally because it is the only remaining commercial unix workstation vendor.
1174698;1435189393;ben_vulpes;the graphics shitheads were illustrator users, not blender users.
1174699;1435189393;mircea_popescu;apple wants to be a "mobile platform". because it worked so well for nokia, and for samsung, and for fucking blackberry.
1174700;1435189407;asciilifeform;(why mac survives, i mean. rather than apple corp.)
1174701;1435189408;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: design happens on macs.
1174702;1435189416;ben_vulpes;i went to parsons. i know.
1174703;1435189428;mircea_popescu;well, it can only happen if the damned thing works./
1174704;1435189432;ben_vulpes;i work with the 'agencies'. design happens on macs.
1174705;1435189438;asciilifeform;design of what ?
1174706;1435189440;mircea_popescu;does it ?
1174707;1435189450;ben_vulpes;'works' means different things for people who use computers vs program them.
1174708;1435189454;mircea_popescu;oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ?
1174709;1435189457;ben_vulpes;creation of advertisement assets.
1174710;1435189457;mircea_popescu;different things these.
1174711;1435189461;mircea_popescu;mno, works means works.
1174712;1435189472;ben_vulpes;"photoshop runs" means works.
1174713;1435189490;mircea_popescu;but runs as in what ? "can't access the driver, here's a nice welcome box" ?
1174714;1435189499;asciilifeform;'run commercial apps' + 'not microshit' == 'mac'
1174715;1435189509;asciilifeform;approximately.
1174716;1435189569;asciilifeform;more or less what ben_vulpes said;
1174717;1435189571;mircea_popescu;if you want to process say a shader and it takes you half hour on mac and five minutes on gentoo then by this standard one would i guess say it doesn't work.
1174718;1435189586;asciilifeform;it's a machine for running photoshit without being submerged in boiling cauldron of microshit
1174719;1435189614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru
1174720;1435189626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.00043133 = 34.2476 BTC [+]
1174721;1435189630;mircea_popescu;those folks, whatever they may think, or wish the worlkd to be, still have to eat.
1174722;1435189637;mircea_popescu;eating still comes out of work
1174723;1435189638;mircea_popescu;eos
1174724;1435189639;asciilifeform;aha, they eat via photoshit.
1174725;1435189649;asciilifeform;which runs, yes.
1174726;1435189690;mircea_popescu;apparently it's not going to. i dunno whence this idea comes that something can run magically-like.
1174727;1435189702;asciilifeform;wai wat
1174728;1435189706;mircea_popescu;if they don't have decent driver suport they COULD make some in house abomiation circumvent it all, and so on
1174729;1435189712;mircea_popescu;but it is hardly a viable solution.
1174730;1435189720;asciilifeform;what was the thread about, i'm having trouble telling
1174731;1435189731;asciilifeform;somewhere a mac shipped with an unsupported graphics card ?
1174732;1435189733;mircea_popescu;as the costs to prop it up just keep on growing and eventually tyhe whole "ecosystem" collapses
1174733;1435189741;asciilifeform;(apple does not sell such a thing)
1174734;1435189744;mircea_popescu;apparently they are unable to support opengl properly
1174735;1435189746;mircea_popescu;let alone cuda
1174736;1435189768;asciilifeform;iirc shaders are not part of 'classical' opengl ?
1174737;1435189778;mircea_popescu;supporting "classical" opengl = not working.
1174738;1435189817;asciilifeform;address hate mail to nvidia co. ?
1174739;1435189833;asciilifeform;or whoever apple's current gpu buttbuddy is
1174740;1435189841;mircea_popescu;no, apparently not their fault.
1174741;1435189847;asciilifeform;wai wat
1174742;1435189874;kakobrekla;http://www.techeye.net/news/us-navy-spends-millions-to-stay-low-tech
1174743;1435189875;assbot;US Navy spends millions to stay low-tech | TechEye ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBxESy )
1174744;1435189905;kakobrekla;>The Navy tried to sail away from XP in 2013, but it seemed to hit some headwind with the project as of May this year it still had approximately 100,000 workstations running XP or the other software.
1174745;1435189918;mircea_popescu;looks more like, "neither nvidia nor amd were willing to go into a intel-ms deal with fucking apple, because who the fuck do those assholes think they are and it's about time they figured out a) jobs is deads and b) if he weren't he'd be in jail ; meanwhile apple won't talk to intel or asus etc because they think they're too good to deal with lesser babka, and so they're saying fuck you to the entire modern computing g
1174746;1435189918;mircea_popescu;fx stack"
1174747;1435189923;mircea_popescu;at least that's what i got out of it.
1174748;1435189952;asciilifeform;result will likely be that apple begins shipping arm-macs with their in-house gpu.
1174749;1435189958;mircea_popescu;that will suck.
1174750;1435189973;asciilifeform;(they are already shipping this chip in the pocket comps)
1174751;1435189977;mircea_popescu;and no, i don't believe cook has the guts to even try.
1174752;1435189988;mircea_popescu;they'll just pretend like the poroblem doesn't exist and will go away, like any mcdonalds.
1174753;1435189992;asciilifeform;(how much it sucks is a question for serious apple aficionados, not for me)
1174754;1435190023;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they don't need much gut here, the chip was designed under herr jobs and exists now
1174755;1435190042;mircea_popescu;the need for guts comes in exactly too sizes :
1174756;1435190046;mircea_popescu;immense and not too much.
1174757;1435190049;mircea_popescu;they're the same size.
1174758;1435190092;mircea_popescu;anyway. jobs could have pulled something like this off, maybe, as an outlier result. mostly, he'd have failed miserably while denying it all along.
1174759;1435190099;mircea_popescu;anyone else they have left there won't even try
1174760;1435190108;asciilifeform;apple's trajectory for years has been to merge 'iphonism' into their entire product line
1174761;1435190113;asciilifeform;this'd be a logical conclusion.
1174762;1435190124;asciilifeform;mac would turn into 'ipad' 'with keyboard.'
1174763;1435190125;mircea_popescu;they'll make excellent gameboys in a decade.
1174764;1435190199;asciilifeform;they could make almost anything and folks will buy so long as it is vaguely computer-like and doesn't run winblows.
1174765;1435190210;asciilifeform;see the point re: 'sole remaining commercial unix ws vendor'
1174766;1435190245;mircea_popescu;what idiots do isn't really in the scope of this discussion.
1174767;1435190253;mircea_popescu;there are people with myspace accounts still.
1174768;1435190263;mircea_popescu;heck, yahoo briefcase apparently had users, when it closed.
1174769;1435190289;asciilifeform;not speaking of these. but of the folks who want a posix box that fits in a rucksack, where, e.g., 'suspend to ram' works, etc
1174770;1435190298;asciilifeform;just ask ben_vulpes...
1174771;1435190303;mircea_popescu;"And that article Richard posted just seems to exist to stroke Apple's ego. I don't think I know a single artist who would choose to buy one of the new Mac Pros for their work, especially considering the premium you pay and their reliance on AMD hardware in a field dominated by nV and CUDA."
1174772;1435190303;mircea_popescu;there.
1174773;1435190325;asciilifeform;^ must be microshit shill
1174774;1435190349;mircea_popescu;heh
1174775;1435190358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109181 @ 0.0004228 = 46.1617 BTC [-] {2} 
1174776;1435190359;asciilifeform;thing is, 'not microshit' is a hard criterion for many, many folks
1174777;1435190361;asciilifeform;including myself
1174778;1435190378;mircea_popescu;"The crappy 3D support on Mac OS is in direct conflict with that goal. Furthermore, as a non-Mac OS user, I would kindly request that no disproportionate developer effort be spent on such an inadequate and developer-hostile platform.
1174779;1435190378;mircea_popescu;Sent from my iPad."
1174780;1435190381;mircea_popescu;how about that.
1174781;1435190413;asciilifeform;'mac' ~can~ be treated as something like an irix or solaris box, as a funny-looking frame around a bourne shell and x11 terminal
1174782;1435190417;asciilifeform;winblows - not.
1174783;1435190450;mircea_popescu;"Pixar does NOT use Apple computers to make 3D for their movies (modeling, animation, render, shaders, etc.). They use Linux, just like everyone else in the industry. Now they might use a Mac to paint a background or texture something but all feature animation is done in Linux (Disney, Dreamworks, Sony Animation, Blue Sky, etc. etc.). That's also true for SFX shops like ILM, Weta, Sony Imageworks, DD, etc. etc. All Lin
1174784;1435190450;mircea_popescu;ux."
1174785;1435190453;mircea_popescu;i had no idea.
1174786;1435190476;asciilifeform;why would anyone use anything other than linux boxen for a headless render farm
1174787;1435190477;asciilifeform;?
1174788;1435190480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1117 @ 0.00111 = 1.2399 BTC {2} 
1174789;1435190489;mircea_popescu;"modeling, animation, render, shaders"
1174790;1435190506;asciilifeform;they, likely, have proper card specs from nvidia etc. under nda
1174791;1435190507;mircea_popescu;why would someone use something other than the car to go shop ? "oh, this is for work!!1"
1174792;1435190509;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1174793;1435190532;asciilifeform;'pixar' does not live by same constraints as us mortals
1174794;1435190542;asciilifeform;if they want the gpu datasheet - they get.
1174795;1435190558;asciilifeform;(perhaps minus the 'nsa chapter' but enough to run shader.)
1174796;1435190646;mircea_popescu;anyone can get the mafia to embed an engineer if they have money.
1174797;1435190705;asciilifeform;sure. but why would the 'anyone' make the result available gratis to his competition ?
1174798;1435190757;asciilifeform;(incidentally, the success history of ussr attempting this was spotty, to say the least.)
1174799;1435190768;mircea_popescu;your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case.
1174800;1435190784;mircea_popescu;there's an endless mountaineous heap of work, and the last time i talked to someone even halfway competent was last week.
1174801;1435190795;asciilifeform;'embed engineer' sounds simple, but he has to be permitted near the jewels, know what's worth stealing, ~and~ continue working for ~you~ rather than the nice fella who now signs his bonuses
1174802;1435190830;*;mircea_popescu waves hand
1174803;1435190835;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174799 << i live there!
1174804;1435190835;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:06:08; mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case.
1174805;1435190838;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely no value in software. let him steal.
1174806;1435190882;asciilifeform;the shortage is of work that 1) pays 2) doesn't make you want to shoot yourself in the head immediately
1174807;1435190931;asciilifeform;1 or 2 alone - so plentiful that 'you can eat with your arse'
1174808;1435190942;asciilifeform;1+2 - 'unicorn'
1174809;1435190998;asciilifeform;and there is no shortage whatsoever of 'skilled folk.' there is only shortage at a particular price point.
1174810;1435191109;asciilifeform;while (!hired(bid++)); << convenient algo.
1174811;1435191112;williamdunne;Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg
1174812;1435191113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BByC18 )
1174813;1435191166;mircea_popescu;williamdunne folk with beards all look the same to you don't they
1174814;1435191194;williamdunne;Possibly
1174815;1435191231;williamdunne;In my defence though, two bitcoiners who look pretty similar
1174816;1435191233;williamdunne;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIRaK8aUcAAdXlR.jpg
1174817;1435191233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BByFdt )
1174818;1435191248;williamdunne;With the same bear
1174819;1435191250;williamdunne;*beard
1174820;1435191256;williamdunne;I'm pretty sure it is dpb
1174821;1435191516;mircea_popescu;doesn't look like him to me, but hey. danielpbarron is it or ain't it ?
1174822;1435191580;mircea_popescu;is blondy swallowing a casino chip ?
1174823;1435191639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.00040995 = 41.9379 BTC [-]
1174824;1435191667;williamdunne;Putting her money where her mouth is supposedly
1174825;1435191769;*;asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's idea of 'competence' approximately equals 'willing to dig in chernoble reactor for 2 rubles / hour'
1174826;1435191788;asciilifeform;these - yes, good luck finding.
1174827;1435191802;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no dude. it's "go do something useful". after interval, person has done something useful.
1174828;1435191861;mircea_popescu;really very low bar, in any other time than the present
1174829;1435191873;asciilifeform;not hard - yes, today - if ~pay~
1174830;1435191895;asciilifeform;this is ~not~ like the scarcity of, e.g., 'real computer', where ~it doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't exist~
1174831;1435191912;mircea_popescu;and yet <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru
1174832;1435191929;asciilifeform;well yes, because all of the things one can't even dream of affording 'look quite alike'
1174833;1435191934;mircea_popescu;no amount of pay is going to deretardify reddit.
1174834;1435191947;asciilifeform;no amount will put out the sun either
1174835;1435191947;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ? << Largely this. I know a person who "Does Video" for a and I am not making this up: "Storytelling Consultancy" or at least he did. Not sure atm what that douche is doing.
1174836;1435191957;asciilifeform;i was speaking of problems that are at least theoretically worth solving
1174837;1435191983;asciilifeform;e.g., laying down shaded pixels
1174838;1435191998;asciilifeform;or getting $proggy built as-so
1174839;1435192004;mircea_popescu;there's more pixels needing laying down than there are people who can do it. period.
1174840;1435192009;mircea_popescu;infinite pay per capita would not fix this
1174841;1435192024;asciilifeform;in the sense of 'this is like protein folding' - sure
1174842;1435192028;asciilifeform;there is infinite appetite
1174843;1435192037;mircea_popescu;that's the ACTUAL bargaining chip of the sv firms : if you ACTUALLY want us to pay market rate, market rate's infinity and we're paying it. get printing.
1174844;1435192057;asciilifeform;sv pays in counterfeit money
1174845;1435192062;mircea_popescu;it has to!
1174846;1435192069;mircea_popescu;there's no way to pay five people to do six jobs!
1174847;1435192080;mircea_popescu;for pay to work as you expect there's a strict requirement that jobs < people.
1174848;1435192080;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu wants to remove a pair of hands from sv, all he'd have to do is pay in actual money
1174849;1435192102;mircea_popescu;o, wait, "actual money" = "fixed percent of all the money that'sd ever going to exist" ?
1174850;1435192105;asciilifeform;aha
1174851;1435192116;mircea_popescu;tyvm. but... what fixed percent of all the money that's ever going to exist is microsoft worth ?
1174852;1435192120;mircea_popescu;0.0001% say ?
1174853;1435192122;mircea_popescu;if that ?
1174854;1435192129;mircea_popescu;so ima pay what, 10 btc for all of redmond ?
1174855;1435192130;asciilifeform;microshit is worth what mosquitoes are worth
1174856;1435192134;asciilifeform;i.e. with negative sign bit
1174857;1435192141;mircea_popescu;this is getting pretty complex.
1174858;1435192142;asciilifeform;what is the removal of the last mosquito 'worth'
1174859;1435192148;mircea_popescu;and i mean that literally. a + bi
1174860;1435192192;asciilifeform;if there were, e.g., a martian in orbit, known for his impeccable honesty, who offered to vaporize every last employee of microshit, present and past, for 10 btc - mircea_popescu would decline ?
1174861;1435192199;mircea_popescu;yes.
1174862;1435192205;asciilifeform;'not worth bullet' ?
1174863;1435192212;mircea_popescu;for one think, iirc that'd do mike_c in.
1174864;1435192215;asciilifeform;l0l
1174865;1435192230;*;mircea_popescu is too old to fall for "progress" and "future" tricks. i'm not paying for that.
1174866;1435192241;asciilifeform;fair
1174867;1435192253;asciilifeform;and who's to say what weevils will breed in the crater
1174868;1435192261;mircea_popescu;and on it goes.
1174869;1435192265;asciilifeform;but as gedankenexperiment re: what a great blight is 'worth'
1174870;1435192285;mircea_popescu;forget your own opinion, the thing trades on exchanges, worth what, 100bn ?
1174871;1435192299;mircea_popescu;yes, i would trade 10 btc for 100bn "worth" of engineering work.
1174872;1435192300;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat
1174873;1435192305;mircea_popescu;that's what, two million man-years ?
1174874;1435192340;asciilifeform;measuring software dev in 'man-time' is ~how we got a planet with microshit in the first place~
1174875;1435192355;mircea_popescu;you're the one forcing me to use nonsensical terms to humor you
1174876;1435192359;asciilifeform;l0l
1174877;1435192360;mircea_popescu;now you bitch about their nonsensicalness ?!
1174878;1435192380;asciilifeform;was trying to walk on tightrope between lunacy and sense
1174879;1435192387;mircea_popescu;glwt!
1174880;1435192413;mircea_popescu;it's simple, really : when jobs < people, you can pay. when jobs > people, you gotta let em volunteer. no other way.
1174881;1435192427;mircea_popescu;yes, you gotta distribute resources back out somehow, but it can only be via equity.
1174882;1435192442;mircea_popescu;fnance is what it is, its own kind of thermodynamics, off of which it is actually derived.
1174883;1435192447;asciilifeform;when will mircea_popescu be volunteering for rat shooting detail in the abandoned factories of leningrad ?
1174884;1435192448;mircea_popescu;you don't get to say what you'd like it to be like.
1174885;1435192455;asciilifeform;more rats than shooters atm
1174886;1435192461;asciilifeform;hence 'all must volunteer' ?
1174887;1435192475;mircea_popescu;well clearly no-one's payin' em ?
1174888;1435192500;mircea_popescu;anyway, the problem exists because it's global. not because "in this tiny island of rust beltlandia so and so rats".
1174889;1435192514;mircea_popescu;this is the first seriouys problem we ran into, ever since this globalization paradigm.
1174890;1435192555;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174884 << i can't pretend to any divine revelation re: the numbers, but what i do see is folks who pay lawyer $xxxxx to solve their problem, and offer programmer $xxx. and then wonder why their programmatic problems remain unsolved. they answer 'lawyer is a man and programmer is a monkey. and the latter gets monkey wage.' answer: you paid for monkey. so that's what you get.
1174891;1435192555;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:34:08; mircea_popescu: you don't get to say what you'd like it to be like.
1174892;1435192630;mircea_popescu;this scenario only plays out in your own mind (admittedly poisoned by a lot of interaction with idiots). in reality it's like this : there are more jobs than people. the system where you pay people a salary only works when there are more people than jobs. when there are more jobs than people you essentially create a large excavator of sense on a large mountain of problems, and divy up the results somehow. such as they
1174893;1435192630;mircea_popescu;are.
1174894;1435192634;mircea_popescu;this is what i mean by equity.
1174895;1435192668;mircea_popescu;and yes this means people working can end up not making anything. it does. necessarily.
1174896;1435192681;mircea_popescu;in theory it works out to better pay and better working coinditions than the alternative, but
1174897;1435192682;asciilifeform;this is an approachable problem
1174898;1435192697;mircea_popescu;generally when people compare the present with the option they imagine, they take selected bits of each.
1174899;1435192712;asciilifeform;once you discover the hidden variable - that most of the creatures masquerading as 'people' are actually apes - you are left without one side of the equation
1174900;1435192731;asciilifeform;ditto the 'problems'
1174901;1435192736;asciilifeform;most of them are not actual problems
1174902;1435192739;mircea_popescu;there's no option here, however. no way will be devised where the systematically wrong model can be employed. it's, essentially, what a scam is : the proposition that we've temporarily turned thermodynamics off.
1174903;1435192740;asciilifeform;but the stink of ape-man shit
1174904;1435192757;mircea_popescu;i am not sure this simplification works as you intend it to.
1174905;1435192765;mircea_popescu;you're cutting off T on one side with dT on the other side.
1174906;1435192770;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody turned thermodynamics off, but it is entirely possible to have a room full of lunatics mumbling 'vroom, vroom'
1174907;1435192782;asciilifeform;which is what the 'computing industry' is largely about.
1174908;1435192795;mircea_popescu;this while true, makes the problems not an iota smaller.
1174909;1435192809;mircea_popescu;if your house is fulla shit, the realisation that an idiot shat your floor does not clean it any.
1174910;1435192824;asciilifeform;it reduces the 'ocean of problems' to one particular - scientifically formulatable - problem.
1174911;1435192833;mircea_popescu;arguably intellectual problems, such as software, are easier to clean for being virtual rather than physically embodied
1174912;1435192839;mircea_popescu;but still not that much.
1174913;1435192926;asciilifeform;people ask why 'computing is different' and answer is that the field had the misfortune to appear at the same time as the great 'democratization' shit-lathering of the 20th c.
1174914;1435192949;mircea_popescu;not even true. computing appeared in the 50s.
1174915;1435192950;asciilifeform;if, e.g., aeronautics had waited until such a time, 'airplane' would be synonymous with 'f-35'
1174916;1435192968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as did the rest of the rot.
1174917;1435192979;mircea_popescu;rest of the rot, imo, appeared in the 80s.
1174918;1435192980;asciilifeform;but computing in the modern, interactive-terminal sense came later.
1174919;1435193000;*;asciilifeform distinguishes act of 'computing' from 'calculating'
1174920;1435193038;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to pet pet
1174921;1435193044;mircea_popescu;anyway. lawyering is only "different" because of your perception. most lawyers die in debt, still not having paid their college costs
1174922;1435193050;mircea_popescu;and that's not even counting for the currently alive set.
1174923;1435193067;mircea_popescu;generally, the prospect of being a lawyer is strictly speaking dimmer than the prospect of being a programmer.
1174924;1435193078;mircea_popescu;there's no lawyer that walks away with a bn from a successful buyout.
1174925;1435193083;mircea_popescu;there used to be but... in the 50s!
1174926;1435193109;mircea_popescu;as far as they are concerned, getting an even bummer deal than code monkeys. plus they have the family dynasties stuff to make it more painful.
1174927;1435193135;mircea_popescu;"my grandfather was a senator, and my father made a billion, and i'd better do another line of cock^H^Hke before i think about this too muc"
1174928;1435193285;williamdunne;The best off lawyer I know, made very little of his money directly from being a lawyer
1174929;1435193347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00042239 = 8.7012 BTC [+]
1174930;1435193357;mircea_popescu;there are two overlapping misguiding things here. one is, the tournament market. you wouldn't imagine singer/songwriters are better off than you because britney spears, would you ? nor would you imagine "pundits are rich" because oprah, or limbaugh or whatever.
1174931;1435193401;mircea_popescu;in fact. most of these girlies are in the shitter, consider http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-85.0-89.62
1174932;1435193402;assbot;Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpjm9Z )
1174933;1435193417;mircea_popescu;the other one is that, the government. yes, fucktards like shrem end up selling the house to pay "the lawyer".
1174934;1435193429;mircea_popescu;the same would have been true if they were fighting cancer as is true when they are fighting the usg.
1174935;1435193437;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, THE DOCTOR isn't seeing jack of all that.
1174936;1435193440;mircea_popescu;nor is the laywer.
1174937;1435193462;mircea_popescu;might as well say "you programmers don't need any money anyway, look at what google revenue is!"
1174938;1435193574;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> once you discover the hidden variable - that most of the creatures masquerading as 'people' are actually apes - you are left without one side of the equation << Ah, the Roof problem. Rook shot up nine respectable civilized folk. If he really cared to address his precieved problem his target ought to have been a crack house.
1174939;1435193574;mircea_popescu;and so here is the (designed, by the way! deliberately, by the way!) impasse before the free world : one percent of the money spent on $profession actually goes to ~the individual members of $profession~, and then of that, 99% goes to the display monkeys, who are five people, and the remainder however many split the remainder 1%, which generally means they pay to participate.
1174940;1435193607;mircea_popescu;then coders (unlike doctors! or lawyers! and the lawyers would JUMP at the chance, if it were somehow feasible - but so far it's only feasible in banking and finance, mostly) get the option to work for equity, but
1174941;1435193615;mircea_popescu;well.. "why can't it be like it was for oprah!!11"
1174942;1435193623;mircea_popescu;well duh baby. because it never was, that's why.
1174943;1435193626;BingoBoingo;Because Oprah's a hamplanet
1174944;1435194018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70387 @ 0.00042707 = 30.0602 BTC [+]
1174945;1435194050;mircea_popescu;and with math, too : if social expenditure for field is one trillion, and the headcount employed is one million, that means one million get to divy up a hundred million, thus making a whooping 100 a head. that's not even the fabled dollar a day.
1174946;1435194110;mircea_popescu;and yes, the trillion spent means the govt got to offset 990 billion off another whatever indescript entry in its ledger,
1174947;1435194138;mircea_popescu;and yes the trillion spent also means five people got two billion a pop give or take to be paraded across the country with a large jam tomorrow sign affixed.
1174948;1435194145;mircea_popescu;cool, but what does it do ?
1174949;1435194177;mircea_popescu;not like they can spend two billion to buy a hundred thousand aks and ammo for them and shoot the whole charade into the ground
1174950;1435194192;mircea_popescu;because their 2bn is conditionally theirs on the understanding not that it won't get used "for terrorism",
1174951;1435194197;mircea_popescu;but that it won't be used at all.
1174952;1435194206;mircea_popescu;o, nm, you can "donate it".
1174953;1435194248;mircea_popescu;just as long as it's a meaningless act, carefully sterilized, pointless and ineffectual.
1174954;1435194322;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, i'll listen sympathetically to any programmer that can't feed himself ; and i'll be amused at any programmer that "but oprah!". the field's over there, and it takes all comers. don't mind the manure.
1174955;1435194651;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7p2qfBWlJ1rbog77o1_1280.jpg
1174956;1435194654;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpmpPr )
1174957;1435195055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52850 @ 0.00043114 = 22.7857 BTC [+] {2} 
1174958;1435195238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50650 @ 0.0004229 = 21.4199 BTC [-]
1174959;1435195254;*;asciilifeform back
1174960;1435195462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's summary is essentially correct re: 'software industry'
1174961;1435195568;asciilifeform;but to bring it back to the 'dirty house, cleaners want wheelbarrow of gold, so must stay dirty' - i doubt mircea_popescu is suffering from any software problem that, say, terry davis (deliberately not nominating any of the folks here for this gedankenexperiment) couldn't or wouldn't fix for, say, 50000btc
1174962;1435195695;asciilifeform;and yes, the 'software industry' is so utterly rotten that an individual act of deretardification has to be contemplated on own merits, rather than as 'market action', modellable with the usual rules. sorta like buying a russian nuke. sui generis.
1174963;1435195937;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174939 << the magic of bitcoin is that 100% can go to the fella who is willing to dive in a pressure suit below five kilometres of liquid shit and retrieve grandmother's dishes from the sunken h.m.s. shitanic
1174964;1435195937;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:52:54; mircea_popescu: and so here is the (designed, by the way! deliberately, by the way!) impasse before the free world : one percent of the money spent on $profession actually goes to ~the individual members of $profession~, and then of that, 99% goes to the display monkeys, who are five people, and the remainder however many split the remainder 1%, which generally means they pay to participate.
1174965;1435195970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00043133 = 42.1841 BTC [+]
1174966;1435196030;asciilifeform;but it'd have to be 100% of ฿escape_rocket, yes
1174967;1435196031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.0004229 = 5.6034 BTC [-]
1174968;1435196329;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174921 << i don't single out lawyers from naive 'but mine has mercedes!' observation, but because the lawyers who ~actually reliably magic away problems~ are not dying in debt. or worrying about rent.
1174969;1435196329;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:44:04; mircea_popescu: anyway. lawyering is only "different" because of your perception. most lawyers die in debt, still not having paid their college costs
1174970;1435196390;asciilifeform;ditto for surgeons who specialize in the nearly-impossible, etc
1174971;1435196516;BingoBoingo;Lawyers who can reliably contain problems don't const $maxint. The only lawyers who charge $maxint aren't charging for their lawyering, but marketing. Hence Ulbricht hiring the maliciously incompetent Dratel snake.
1174972;1435196580;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: to be fair, we don't know what he paid. perhaps d. agreed to work for considerable discount..
1174973;1435196643;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Dratel from what I understands works until open ended fundraiser is exhausted.
1174974;1435196663;BingoBoingo;Pure chumpatron to drain actual Ulbricht supporters of resources
1174975;1435196676;asciilifeform;plus lawyer was quite possibly the wrong tool for the job. ulbricht needed to hire 'blackwater' rather than lawyer.
1174976;1435196697;mircea_popescu;i suffer from such a problem, yes.
1174977;1435196706;mircea_popescu;!s $maxint
1174978;1435196707;assbot;168 results for '$maxint' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%24maxint
1174979;1435196709;mircea_popescu;according to you, at least.
1174980;1435196719;mircea_popescu;apparently they'd have to bake a whole new silicone process.
1174981;1435196730;*;asciilifeform did not say 'new process' !
1174982;1435196735;asciilifeform;just new standard cells
1174983;1435196764;mircea_popescu;and i wouldn't give 50k to random unknown schmuck without a wot for the obvious reasons, regardless what they can or could do.
1174984;1435196781;asciilifeform;and any undergrad 'ee' student can draw you the muller gate standard cell in cmos.
1174985;1435196797;asciilifeform;after that, it's merely a matter of 'build skyscraper'
1174986;1435196817;mircea_popescu;anyway. people who actually magic away problems, in any field, name their own terms.
1174987;1435196865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the dratel example is particularly on point. what that man did was the equivalent of a bitdaytrade "platform".
1174988;1435196880;asciilifeform;the solution of very expensive problems with no precedent is quite possibly a lemon market, yes.
1174989;1435196901;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps not painfully obvious to you on account of some version of the memory hole effect, but it can not be readily put into code, the degree of braindamage. perhaps a field full of gotos with no other instructions
1174990;1435196913;mircea_popescu;"this program does nothing" "yes, but it takes some time - like any other program!"
1174991;1435196945;asciilifeform;i see dratel as a pretty obvious case of usg mole
1174992;1435196947;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> Pure chumpatron to drain actual Ulbricht supporters of resources << and the fact that kid would sign off on this - pretty disgraceful.
1174993;1435196963;mircea_popescu;but THEY know what they're doing. they are doing exactly tyhis : make the chumps helpless.
1174994;1435196972;mircea_popescu;"what's the point of donating - prolly go straight to a lawyer snake anyway"
1174995;1435196973;mircea_popescu;nice.
1174996;1435196996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform me too. the problem is - this was one of the more successful ones.
1174997;1435196997;BingoBoingo;This is why for my still to be litigated misdemeanor charge attorney is still working off of his flat $150 pre-trial fee.
1174998;1435197077;asciilifeform;herr ulbricht didn't have a 'lawyer problem,' he had a military problem. or could a sufficiently expert german lawyer have exonerated, say, the 'july plot' folks who failed to nail the fuhrer
1174999;1435197103;mircea_popescu;you're misrepresenting things.
1175000;1435197107;mircea_popescu;the goal here is not to "Exonerate"
1175001;1435197114;mircea_popescu;the goal here is to do maximal damage to the system.
1175002;1435197143;asciilifeform;leaving aside the fact that poor u. wanted to save own sorry hide, rather than 'damage system,' there is precedent.
1175003;1435197143;mircea_popescu;oleander blosom doesn't run outof your mouth, plant itself back on tree.
1175004;1435197151;asciilifeform;ted kaczynski ('unabomber')
1175005;1435197154;mircea_popescu;oleander blosom sees to it that's the last time YOU're running anywhere.
1175006;1435197157;asciilifeform;read transcript of his trial some time
1175007;1435197168;mircea_popescu;what of it ?
1175008;1435197169;asciilifeform;fella was brilliant, and devoted entire trial to making 'rule of law' look as ridiculous as it is
1175009;1435197174;asciilifeform;'max damage to system'
1175010;1435197177;asciilifeform;ended with: muzzle.
1175011;1435197178;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1175012;1435197182;asciilifeform;and lifetime supermax
1175013;1435197186;asciilifeform;(ditto with muzzle)
1175014;1435197197;mircea_popescu;also ended with us here.
1175015;1435197202;asciilifeform;and the 'damage' was a tiny scratch on the bumper
1175016;1435197205;asciilifeform;need a microscope to see it.
1175017;1435197206;mircea_popescu;or dja regard the present as unconnected ?
1175018;1435197212;mircea_popescu;i beg to differ, i see it quite plainly.
1175019;1435197216;asciilifeform;not certain how connected
1175020;1435197223;asciilifeform;open to seeing the logic ?
1175021;1435197238;mircea_popescu;i don't think the connections will ever be certain.
1175022;1435197251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101400 @ 0.00040995 = 41.5689 BTC [-]
1175023;1435197264;mircea_popescu;but broadly, "if the rule of law didn't suck, or if it did and nobody'd bother showing it - what then ?"
1175024;1435197301;mircea_popescu;anyway. see the married men article. they who wish to be exonrated left,long ago. those who stay ALREADY MADE the choice to max damage.
1175025;1435197321;mircea_popescu;turning back on one';s choices later is not another's problem. i am not held to explain why the guy that changed his mind failed both ways.
1175026;1435197346;asciilifeform;what is this 'left', when the bottle has no outside.
1175027;1435197353;asciilifeform;or is there a colony of 'left' on mars.
1175028;1435197354;mircea_popescu;tough.
1175029;1435197360;mircea_popescu;nobody said you get to make all the choices you might wish to.
1175030;1435197371;mircea_popescu;and yes, it's a choice even if you didn't get to make it.
1175031;1435197373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00040995 = 14.6557 BTC [-]
1175032;1435197396;asciilifeform;yes, but mircea_popescu mentioned something like 'those who wished, left'
1175033;1435197399;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the goal here is to do maximal damage to the system. << This. On my misdemeanor charge which it was suggest I settle organizational incompetence on the part of the police and prosecution seems to be scuttling whatever case they may or may not have had. Because people normally plea evidence was never collected or lost according to intel. Alleged "victim" is reportedly now a joke subject to taunts from coworkers wit
1175034;1435197400;BingoBoingo;h any ability he might have had to use "powers of office" effectively castrated.
1175035;1435197405;mircea_popescu;observably some people left.
1175036;1435197424;mircea_popescu; Because people normally plea evidence was never collected or lost according to intel << lmao.
1175037;1435197484;BingoBoingo;Seriously people were like "It's a misdemeanor don't fight it." I'm like "It's a misdemeanor and I'm white. They prolly don't anticipate having to prosecute it"
1175038;1435197711;asciilifeform;back to thread where we http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174986 >> demonstrably false in a sharashka.
1175039;1435197711;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 01:46:57; mircea_popescu: anyway. people who actually magic away problems, in any field, name their own terms.
1175040;1435197724;asciilifeform;in sharashka, the very best rocket designer's terms are 'i get to eat'
1175041;1435197734;mircea_popescu;notrly. reread your source material.
1175042;1435197746;mircea_popescu;people naming their own terms were in there - provided, of course, they got to magic away problems.
1175043;1435197757;asciilifeform;well, he gets caviar while the worst gets beans, sure
1175044;1435197761;mircea_popescu;this is strictly different from "jewish princesses imagining themselves special in own mind"
1175045;1435197762;asciilifeform;just like sharashka where i live.
1175046;1435197767;mircea_popescu;no.
1175047;1435197779;mircea_popescu;do i need to quote verse and chapter to you ? because if i do you're eating crow.
1175048;1435197794;asciilifeform;of what? solzhenitsyn?
1175049;1435197798;mircea_popescu;sure.
1175050;1435197806;asciilifeform;let's have actual, vs fictional personages ?
1175051;1435197808;asciilifeform;say, korolev
1175052;1435197810;mircea_popescu;pick one, they all have it, as part of being credible.
1175053;1435197835;asciilifeform;did k 'name own terms' ?
1175054;1435197855;asciilifeform;what if he has asked 'i want to live in manhattan as a free man' as 'terms' ?
1175055;1435197886;asciilifeform;on the contrary, at the peak of his career, he had two goons stationed outside of his apartment door at all times.
1175056;1435197909;asciilifeform;just to make sure that he doesn't - to manhattan (and, at least officially , that manhatten doesn't ~him~)
1175057;1435197913;mircea_popescu;so we're switching "fiction as written by a respected source" to "fiction as alf feels like recounting it for the purpose of current convo" ?
1175058;1435197925;asciilifeform;naturally i wasn't there, saying hello to k. in person
1175059;1435197934;asciilifeform;if this means 'fiction' i should like to know where is reality.
1175060;1435197966;mircea_popescu;in any case i'll score s above a, if you don't mind ?
1175061;1435197975;mircea_popescu;at least he WAS there.
1175062;1435197978;asciilifeform;;;google хлопнут без некролога
1175063;1435197979;gribble;Sergei Korolev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev>; First get your facts straight... - RationalSkepticism.org: <http://www.rationalskepticism.org/pseudoscience/first-get-your-facts-straight-t46146.html>; How To Think Critically - RationalSkepticism.org: <http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-debunking/how-to-think- (1 more message)
1175064;1435198044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32547 @ 0.0004182 = 13.6112 BTC [+] {2} 
1175065;1435198074;asciilifeform;s. is approx. the same kind of guide to the subject as svetonius and '12 caesars' is to his.
1175066;1435198077;asciilifeform;yes, he was there...
1175067;1435198084;BingoBoingo;Maybe this is the wrong epoch's fiction being contrasted. Maybe 'Uncle Tom' and 'Gus' the christmas ornament would cover a larger range of outcomes.
1175068;1435198135;mircea_popescu;well then we can't really say much can we.
1175069;1435198165;asciilifeform;http://maxpark.com/community/4375/content/1932238 << primary sources
1175070;1435198167;assbot;     �ре�тованный №1442, он же — великий кон�труктор | ��ТИСОВЕТСК�Я ЛИГ� ... ( http://bit.ly/1eIdf4t )
1175071;1435198168;asciilifeform;incl. letter of k. to beria
1175072;1435198171;asciilifeform;re his treatment
1175073;1435198179;BingoBoingo;Gus the Christmas ornament of course being one of the antagonists in the original blockbuster film
1175074;1435198236;mircea_popescu;i dunno that primary sources escape the suetonius objhection.
1175075;1435198240;mircea_popescu;after all, he wrote with a purpose.
1175076;1435198244;BingoBoingo;From an era before Whitey invented suburbia to concede sexual prowess to the african american
1175077;1435198252;asciilifeform;incidentally k. did 'win from not signing the papers,' in a way. after recanting his confession (given under torture, which mutilated him in ways which ultimately led to his death) his death sentence was commuted to life-at-hard-labour
1175078;1435198259;asciilifeform;(from which was eventually promoted to sharashka)
1175079;1435198663;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174805 < lol software is the only game that pays
1175080;1435198663;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:07:18; mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no value in software. let him steal.
1175081;1435198688;mircea_popescu;yes, pays. like all knowledge. let him steal.
1175082;1435198777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.0004248 = 11.7882 BTC [+]
1175083;1435198804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly enough, five minutes ago :
1175084;1435198805;mircea_popescu;<waylow> I'm on mac so I couldn't figure out how to install the game
1175085;1435198805;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> oh macs. yeah that's been a pain. a binary for it is still being worked on, but it's slow going. if you have an ubuntu anywhere, from what i hear it's pretty smooth. also windows binaries work.
1175086;1435198805;mircea_popescu;<waylow> I do - but it's been a while since I've run linux. no windows for me
1175087;1435198816;mircea_popescu;teh exact customer you were talking about.
1175088;1435198919;decimation;in theory bsd and mac should be similar
1175089;1435198924;decimation;the problem is all the graphics shit
1175090;1435198965;mircea_popescu;"all girls are similar until they strip"
1175091;1435199011;decimation;heh
1175092;1435199027;decimation;in theory you could make an X11 version if it already works on X
1175093;1435199033;decimation;but performance would be shit
1175094;1435199148;BingoBoingo;It's something of a pity that Mac survived and Amiga died
1175095;1435199171;BingoBoingo;<decimation> in theory bsd and mac should be similar << BSD isn't all that similar to other BSD
1175096;1435199210;BingoBoingo;They even all have their own libc
1175097;1435199212;mircea_popescu;the difference is minute. amiga, just as bad assholes.
1175098;1435199224;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174989 < https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator
1175099;1435199224;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 01:48:21; mircea_popescu: this is perhaps not painfully obvious to you on account of some version of the memory hole effect, but it can not be readily put into code, the degree of braindamage. perhaps a field full of gotos with no other instructions
1175100;1435199225;assbot;xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcNaoV )
1175101;1435199225;mircea_popescu;there's in fact a heap of identical assholes that never made it, which nobody seemsd to ever know about.
1175102;1435199266;decimation;not quite goto but similar idea
1175103;1435199366;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the difference is minute. amiga, just as bad assholes. << Sure. The biggest difference was Amiga paid more for parts on each box so they could get the niche live video production market. All the assholes, reamed on their chosen niches
1175104;1435199455;mircea_popescu;http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?368748-New-Blender-Foundation-Transparency-Blog&p=2892923&viewfull=1#post2892923 << le lulz.
1175105;1435199457;assbot; New Blender Foundation Transparency Blog - Page 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcNKCV )
1175106;1435199481;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175076 < actually whitey moved the black folk into the cities - to push out 'white ethnic' voting blocks
1175107;1435199481;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 02:10:44; BingoBoingo: From an era before Whitey invented suburbia to concede sexual prowess to the african american
1175108;1435199481;mircea_popescu;we find the following things suspicious : romania, paywalls, and bitcoin.
1175109;1435199584;BingoBoingo;decimation: Your problem is you assume a monolithic whitey
1175110;1435199608;mircea_popescu;everyone else does, why single him out for it.
1175111;1435199619;mircea_popescu;whites are like the jews, amirite ?
1175112;1435199627;decimation;no, I don't
1175113;1435199634;BingoBoingo;Because goddammit muh culture is bein oppressed
1175114;1435199653;decimation;generally 'whitey' in this case are old-fashioned anglican wasps
1175115;1435199700;BingoBoingo;decimation: Only when sane pale folk say whitey. When SJW's and the lower class blacks say whitey they mean poor whites.
1175116;1435199715;BingoBoingo;Mostly poor rural whites, southern optional.
1175117;1435199762;decimation;and those poor whites were largely the targets of black immigration to cities
1175118;1435199782;decimation;having a large block of voting catholic irish - had to be crushed
1175119;1435199788;BingoBoingo;Liberal palefolk assume whitey mean Bushes, Clintons, and Rothschilds. Radical whites and non-graduating blacks assume whitey is trailer trash.
1175120;1435199803;trinque;BingoBoingo | It's something of a pity that Mac survived and Amiga died << heard "microkernel wank" a couple times round here, but I was a huge BeOS fan back in the day
1175121;1435199822;trinque;ultra-stable, high performance, was miles ahead of the game re: graphics in its time
1175122;1435199836;BingoBoingo;trinque: BeBox was the next gen victim of Mac survival
1175123;1435199839;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175101 << there was! but it is a mistake to lump in amiga. cbm was still under delusion that it sold ~computers~ rather than 'system' (that is, complete slave planet like apple, where peripheral makers pay danegeld, etc)
1175124;1435199839;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 02:27:05; mircea_popescu: there's in fact a heap of identical assholes that never made it, which nobody seemsd to ever know about.
1175125;1435199844;trinque;BingoBoingo: yeah
1175126;1435199875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.0004248 = 22.7693 BTC [+]
1175127;1435199882;asciilifeform;cbm shipped ~schematics~ with machines. apple sold... yes, a key, with which the 'annointed' could open the b&w mac chassis
1175128;1435199885;BingoBoingo;In Motorola era Amiga crushed. In PPC era BeBox crushed
1175129;1435199942;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> cbm shipped ~schematics~ with machines. apple sold... yes, a key, with which the 'annointed' could open the b&w mac chassis << You mean apple provided a target for the drill
1175130;1435199946;asciilifeform;(there were really four outfits under name 'apple' - the folks who sold apple ii series; the folks who sold 'mac' until '99; rebranded 'next corp.' under herr jobs; the present-day zombie.)
1175131;1435199992;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: point was not that it was difficult to drill. aftermarket 'keys' appeared almost immediately. point was the symbolic meaning of this abomination
1175132;1435199993;decimation;note that 'next' is basically modern osx
1175133;1435199997;decimation;on top of bsd
1175134;1435200004;asciilifeform;decimation: pre-'next' apple is as gone as cbm
1175135;1435200010;decimation;yeah
1175136;1435200013;asciilifeform;there is literally no trace of it remaining.
1175137;1435200016;BingoBoingo;decimation: But on top of msot weirdo bsd
1175138;1435200017;asciilifeform;in any of the products sold by that firm
1175139;1435200023;decimation;c64 was probably better in its day anyway
1175140;1435200056;mircea_popescu;than amiga ? definitely.
1175141;1435200061;asciilifeform;c64 was unthinkably good for its day.
1175142;1435200064;mircea_popescu;amiga sucked about as much as apple.
1175143;1435200075;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu ever see an amiga alive ?
1175144;1435200084;mircea_popescu;they stand in my mind because when i first heard of apple i thought "hey... this is like... amiga ?"
1175145;1435200089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. friend had one.
1175146;1435200108;asciilifeform;compare in the flower of their youth, rather than, say, '93 when cbm was a vegetable
1175147;1435200119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39982 @ 0.0004248 = 16.9844 BTC [+]
1175148;1435200123;asciilifeform;ferphuxxsake amiga had what we'd call a gpu today
1175149;1435200129;asciilifeform;when apple sold b&w thing
1175150;1435200131;mircea_popescu;no, im comparing the amiga i knew (early 90s) to the apple i saw (late 90s onwards)
1175151;1435200142;asciilifeform;and it was ~documented~
1175152;1435200142;mircea_popescu;and while i agree with you re the distinction, i believe it's without a difference.
1175153;1435200147;BingoBoingo;Apple II's apple's swan song the IIGS was a great machine
1175154;1435200157;asciilifeform;the difference is that cbm did not sell a cult, it sold machinery
1175155;1435200157;mircea_popescu;apple managed to somehow remain THE SAME assholes in spite of changing everything around jobs
1175156;1435200159;*;punkman vaguely recalls some amazing Amiga games
1175157;1435200159;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1175158;1435200178;decimation;asciilifeform: c64 was cheaper than apple ii as i recall
1175159;1435200199;asciilifeform;afaik cbm did not ever attempt to extort tribute from peripheral makers, or software devs
1175160;1435200208;asciilifeform;nor tied user's hands in any particular way
1175161;1435200210;BingoBoingo;<decimation> asciilifeform: c64 was cheaper than apple ii as i recall << c64 was easily cheaply stamped product, Amiga was not
1175162;1435200213;asciilifeform;it just sold boxes.
1175163;1435200216;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno how documented it was, not caring for such thing at that age. i know however that the amiga guy never made anything like a game.
1175164;1435200222;mircea_popescu;we did, they sucked, how it goes.
1175165;1435200229;asciilifeform;i'm ~still~ playing amiga games now
1175166;1435200235;asciilifeform;(at least was, a few yrs ago, on emul.)
1175167;1435200264;asciilifeform;quite comparable to mid-90s msdos, in terms of pure technical 'effect'
1175168;1435200265;mircea_popescu;eh, shitty early playstation. fuck it.
1175169;1435200296;*;BingoBoingo has never found a working Apple IIGS at an acceptable price. Played with one for a bit Phree then... 
1175170;1435200297;asciilifeform;again, it was a computer, sold as a computer, with 'anyone can write for this' and proper docs
1175171;1435200306;asciilifeform;how this can be compared to 'playstation' i cannot fathom
1175172;1435200353;decimation;http://www.theamphour.com/241-an-interview-with-chuck-peddle-charismatic-chipmaking-coryphaeus/ < chuck peddle claimed that 'basic' was the real selling point of the c64
1175173;1435200354;assbot;An Interview With Chuck Peddle - Charismatic Chipmaking Coryphaeus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcPP1U )
1175174;1435200357;decimation;he was probably right about that
1175175;1435200367;asciilifeform;the death of cbm is a pretty well-documented subject, and revolved around their one and only unforgivable sin - royally pissing off their c64 install base by breaking compatibility
1175176;1435200400;asciilifeform;eventually they diverted revenue into making items like 'c128' but it was too late.
1175177;1435200405;asciilifeform;!s jack tramiel
1175178;1435200405;assbot;5 results for 'jack tramiel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jack+tramiel
1175179;1435200411;asciilifeform;^ iirc we had a cbm thread here
1175180;1435200436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well ? THAT is how.
1175181;1435200444;BingoBoingo;decimation: And warm climate agricultual labor was the selling point of involuntary immigration of Africans, but only because Mestizos were too expensive at the time.
1175182;1435200477;decimation;yeah the other problem was jack tramiel left
1175183;1435200489;decimation;because the commodore board was full of retards apparently
1175184;1435200532;mircea_popescu;in other news : apparently blender has this official "marketplace" thing, which lists various assets for sale. so I go for a 16 bucks buy, on the theory that let's check it out. coinbase, of course. my payment is uncredited. they have a support email for just this case, i write to them... my email is rejected.
1175185;1435200546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43244 @ 0.00042203 = 18.2503 BTC [-] {2} 
1175186;1435200547;mircea_popescu;apparently I'm the shady one for not using paypal and being romanian.
1175187;1435200558;mircea_popescu;running off with payments and then blocking emails is a perfectly legit strategy.
1175188;1435200566;mircea_popescu;im entirely certain they actually THINK THIS, too.
1175189;1435200577;mircea_popescu;"weird bad, stupid good! for weird is weird and stupid smells like the home stable!11"
1175190;1435200597;decimation;^ note that thier perception of what is 'weird' is purely what usg smiles upon
1175191;1435200626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: email rejected ?
1175192;1435200643;asciilifeform;as in bounce ?
1175193;1435200644;trinque;it occurs to me that the fraud dept of paypal may look very much like some soviet bureau's office did
1175194;1435200670;trinque;but we're free! because anyone can have their own dismal bureaucracy
1175195;1435200701;trinque;they probably have a script they go by which includes something like "third world" on it
1175196;1435200719;mircea_popescu;   SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<support@cgcookiemarkets.com>:
1175197;1435200721;mircea_popescu;    554 5.7.1 ACL dns_rbl; Client host [188.68.240.159] blocked using
1175198;1435200723;mircea_popescu;sa-ip4tset.blagr.emailsrvr.com=127.26.0.2 Cloudmark CSI. Please visit
1175199;1435200725;mircea_popescu;http://csi.cloudmark.com/reset-request for more information on why this message
1175200;1435200727;assbot;CSI IP Reputation Remediation Portal ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcQMqX )
1175201;1435200727;mircea_popescu;could not be delivered
1175202;1435200728;mircea_popescu;the odds of me "visiting" some random agent in the "danegeld to email" scamring ? zilch.
1175203;1435200730;mircea_popescu;interesting how the twerps keep changing name, too. i don't seem to recall this particular extortionist.
1175204;1435200741;decimation;"The disagreement between Tramiel and Gould was so bitter that, after Tramiel's departure, the Commodore magazine was forbidden to state any of Tramiel's famous sayings or even mention his name."
1175205;1435200747;asciilifeform;jwz!
1175206;1435200765;asciilifeform;(y'know, the fella who said 'why aren'tcha using gmail, terrorist')
1175207;1435200799;mircea_popescu;well not exactly. he was more into the "why should i punish google for google fucking up my email ?!?!?! i just want email to work!!11"
1175208;1435200801;asciilifeform;phun phakt: tramiel sat in auschwitz.
1175209;1435200820;decimation;!s damnatio memoriae
1175210;1435200821;assbot;7 results for 'damnatio memoriae' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=damnatio+memoriae
1175211;1435200848;decimation;asciilifeform: not auschwitz, Ahlem according to la wik
1175212;1435200879;decimation;ah no he started in auschwitz
1175213;1435200890;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl, Checking 188.68.240.159 against 95 known blacklists... Listed 0 times with 0 timeouts
1175214;1435200896;decimation;"Like many other inmates, his father was reported to have died of typhus in the work camp; however, Tramiel believed he was killed by an injection of gasoline. " nasty
1175215;1435200897;mircea_popescu;the world totally needs 95 of these things.
1175216;1435200920;asciilifeform;http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/12/local/la-me-jack-tramiel-20120412 << tramiel didn't give a rat's arse re: computing 'big picture.' he was running a manufacturing concern, in the old 19th. sense in his mind, complete with 'muntzing'
1175217;1435200922;assbot;Jack Tramiel obituary: Founder of Commodore computers dies at 83 - latimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcReWb )
1175218;1435200931;punkman;did the qntra spam affect the other domains too?
1175219;1435200939;decimation;asciilifeform: the electronics industry is still largely in that mode
1175220;1435200955;mircea_popescu;punkman http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx << not really.
1175221;1435200956;assbot;Network Tools: DNS,IP,Email ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcRhBh )
1175222;1435200959;asciilifeform;decimation: if only. the 'intellectual property!!!111!!!!!' cancer has eaten most of it
1175223;1435200970;asciilifeform;go and try getting full docs for anything larger than a full adder.
1175224;1435200977;decimation;heh yeah
1175225;1435201007;decimation;what I mean is that intel, for instance, just puts all their chips on the 'let's shrink dies' side
1175226;1435201017;decimation;no one is re-thinking big picture
1175227;1435201027;decimation;not that we would know it anyway, because of the nda problem
1175228;1435201030;asciilifeform;actually the thing they put 'all their chips' is collaboration with microshit and the entire criminal pyramid
1175229;1435201038;asciilifeform;the 'shrink dies' thing is pure sideshow.
1175230;1435201056;decimation;it yields a few percent per year
1175231;1435201076;asciilifeform;it is done ~solely~ so that microshit gets to release winblows $year
1175232;1435201084;asciilifeform;with 20% more empty loops
1175233;1435201092;asciilifeform;and 'indian' code
1175234;1435201104;decimation;note that microsoft has dropped price of windows to $0
1175235;1435201115;decimation;even though it's really worth negative
1175236;1435201117;asciilifeform;eventually will have to pay folks to touch it
1175237;1435201134;mircea_popescu;and they will.
1175238;1435201139;mircea_popescu;perfect way for the living wage introduction.
1175239;1435201143;decimation;the only thing I use winblows for is to record tv shows, because they give free listing service
1175240;1435201149;mircea_popescu;"pay people to use windows, to better technologee"
1175241;1435201154;decimation;this was dropped in new windwos
1175242;1435201156;mircea_popescu;exact equivalent of mcdonalds
1175243;1435201162;mircea_popescu;which is the eventual fate of all government agencies.
1175244;1435201169;mircea_popescu;fed to pleb fake money conveyor.
1175245;1435201173;asciilifeform;this is already happening. but, as william gibson wrote, 'the future is here, but not evenly distributed.'
1175246;1435201180;mircea_popescu;right
1175247;1435201189;asciilifeform;i have winblows box. solely to run malware. which is one of the things i am paid for.
1175248;1435201194;decimation;heh
1175249;1435201199;asciilifeform;so in effect i am 'paid to touch it'
1175250;1435201206;mircea_popescu;and you will be telling me about how hard it is to escape, right, because moving off windows will require "someone to provide the lost income"
1175251;1435201210;decimation;asciilifeform: you almost need real metal box, because of all the vm detection
1175252;1435201210;mircea_popescu;and i will just nod and carry on.
1175253;1435201218;asciilifeform;decimation: aha
1175254;1435201230;asciilifeform;decimation: of course they are specially designated physical boxes.
1175255;1435201253;asciilifeform;decimation: i actually work for a firm which builds computers solely for this purpose
1175256;1435201265;asciilifeform;believe or not.
1175257;1435201271;decimation;ideally someone would make one with a button to freeze and dump all registers
1175258;1435201275;asciilifeform;and guess what.
1175259;1435201279;mircea_popescu;this must exist.
1175260;1435201282;asciilifeform;it does.
1175261;1435201285;asciilifeform;i built it.
1175262;1435201290;mircea_popescu;haha cool.
1175263;1435201292;decimation;I believe it, you could make lots of headway against malware if you can control its hardware environment
1175264;1435201308;mats;would love to read that secret sauce
1175265;1435201315;asciilifeform;decimation: thing is, we discovered that not many folks are really eager to 'make headway against malware'
1175266;1435201320;asciilifeform;they just want to collect the bezzle
1175267;1435201323;mats;have dreamed of a usable reversible debugger for many moons
1175268;1435201338;mircea_popescu;curious if mats gets hired now.
1175269;1435201338;decimation;sure, why bother actually finding malware when people will pay you to pretend
1175270;1435201347;asciilifeform;not many ~want~ to find
1175271;1435201358;asciilifeform;because when you ~find~ strange, now you have to properly reverse it, document...
1175272;1435201365;asciilifeform;and then it turns out to be usg-authored, and then what
1175273;1435201368;asciilifeform;(who pays?)
1175274;1435201371;decimation;heh
1175275;1435201389;decimation;you could sell to another arm of usg
1175276;1435201401;asciilifeform;so far, they ain't buying.
1175277;1435201404;mircea_popescu;o yeah. definitely already here but not evenly distributed.
1175278;1435201409;mircea_popescu;usg on usg love.
1175279;1435201420;asciilifeform;for same reason, e.g., microshit isn't
1175280;1435201443;decimation;asciilifeform: a large reason why this problem exists is becuase you can't sue microsoft for damaging your shit
1175281;1435201448;asciilifeform;decimation: naturally
1175282;1435201452;mircea_popescu;o yea.
1175283;1435201453;asciilifeform;decimation: but only proximately.
1175284;1435201464;mats;externalizing costs is how software engineers have jobs
1175285;1435201468;asciilifeform;yes, they exempted software 'industry' from ~all~ consumer liability laws in '80s.
1175286;1435201480;asciilifeform;but if only this. since then, an entire class of vermin sprang up
1175287;1435201487;asciilifeform;who pretend to 'write software'
1175288;1435201488;mats;much unlike a civil engineer responsible for faulty bridgeworks...
1175289;1435201490;decimation;and now the 'rats run the ship'
1175290;1435201511;asciilifeform;the notion that any kind of animal is even possible other than rat, is held to be a lunatic fringe thing
1175291;1435201528;decimation;even simple programmers know what it would take to write bug-free code
1175292;1435201547;decimation;about 100x less 'production' and 100x more 'thinking'
1175293;1435201602;decimation;in fact, to even seriously consider writing software for which you are liable is to instantly consider dumping the existing c-machine
1175294;1435201634;mats;while i'm on the subject here is there useful reversible debugging you're aware of, asciilifeform?
1175295;1435201640;mats;gdb can kinda do it, but its slow and buggy.
1175296;1435201642;asciilifeform;decimation: the folks who have 'must work' as hard requirement still prefer the whole 'spend ten years with magnifying glass' to 'rethink computing'
1175297;1435201648;mats;rr is neat but limited... reversedb is limited to linux.
1175298;1435201655;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/572468782057013248/WtdCdJXG_400x400.jpeg << /me notices how this guy is always in this quad double-dating sort of situation, but apparently always with a different gal.
1175299;1435201656;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcT5tU )
1175300;1435201658;mats;vmware got rid of record/replay after vmware 7
1175301;1435201658;mircea_popescu;swingin' london.
1175302;1435201662;asciilifeform;mats: what, precisely, do you need reverse-gear for ?
1175303;1435201684;asciilifeform;mats: what's wrong with rewinding by running proggy again
1175304;1435201687;mircea_popescu;mats gdb is what eulora uses if that makes you feel any better.
1175305;1435201691;asciilifeform;to whatever breakpoint
1175306;1435201699;mats;slow
1175307;1435201706;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gdb is what the entire free world uses
1175308;1435201711;asciilifeform;at least in one form or another
1175309;1435201715;decimation;asciilifeform: my own experience is that it's way more difficult to paper over shitty hardware in software than to make reliable hardware
1175310;1435201719;mats;i want to easily see the values of all registers (as noted before) including bit flags, fp registers, ...
1175311;1435201730;asciilifeform;mats: my favourite graphical skin on gdb is... ida.
1175312;1435201733;asciilifeform;yes, ida.
1175313;1435201737;mats;figures
1175314;1435201739;mircea_popescu;ha
1175315;1435201748;decimation;mats: you could probably do this with valgrind too
1175316;1435201748;asciilifeform;it speaks 100% compliant gdb wire protocol
1175317;1435201756;asciilifeform;decimation: valgrind is not a debugger
1175318;1435201784;decimation;yeah but it does emulate x86, I gotta think someone has integrated debug
1175319;1435201793;asciilifeform;mno. doesn't emulate anything
1175320;1435201799;asciilifeform;must be confusing it with somethig else?
1175321;1435201817;asciilifeform;mats: ida is a total monopoly on the kind of thing that it is, bar none. i don't know of any other product category anywhere in modern industry where there is ~ONE~ thing
1175322;1435201822;asciilifeform;possibly 'mpex'
1175323;1435201826;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it.
1175324;1435201828;asciilifeform;the two of them.
1175325;1435201836;decimation;ah yeah http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/manual-core-adv.html#manual-core-adv.gdbserver
1175326;1435201837;assbot;Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk8H14 )
1175327;1435201849;mats;asciilifeform: i don't have anything specific in mind. have been developing my talents in exploitation but i'm kind of stuck as to how to move forward
1175328;1435201863;decimation;but anway if you want to reverse software you need ida
1175329;1435201866;asciilifeform;decimation: whatddayaknow, there is emulator.
1175330;1435201867;asciilifeform;neato
1175331;1435201871;mats;asciilifeform: i should probably sign up to be jr malware analyst or some such thing.
1175332;1435201887;asciilifeform;mats: if you have the stomach !
1175333;1435201889;decimation;mats: i think there's a free version of ida for download
1175334;1435201893;decimation;ancient
1175335;1435201905;mats;i'm from the internets, why settle for free
1175336;1435201916;decimation;well, I'm also sure there's warez too
1175337;1435201917;mats;plenty of working license files floating
1175338;1435201933;mats;or however that works.
1175339;1435201953;asciilifeform;reasonably recent ida (having, e.g., 'hexray' plugin, more or less mandatory, and support for weird cpus, etc) is notoriously scarce on warez
1175340;1435201967;asciilifeform;why? story is: irfan guilfanov builds custom copy for each buyer.
1175341;1435201989;asciilifeform;who 'leaks' - is damned publicly and never dealt with again, has to buy support via shills
1175342;1435201994;decimation;heh
1175343;1435202014;asciilifeform;ilfak guilfanov.
1175344;1435202022;mircea_popescu;if only the guy could join teh wot.
1175345;1435202026;asciilifeform;ask'im
1175346;1435202031;asciilifeform;but iirc he sold the firm years ago
1175347;1435202032;mircea_popescu;i dun know 'im
1175348;1435202035;asciilifeform;now sits in belgium, angry
1175349;1435202036;decimation;this sounds like the best mechanism for trying to enforce 'copyright' I've heard of
1175350;1435202064;mats;its pretty easy to say 'well i got hacked plz gief another one'
1175351;1435202075;decimation;asciilifeform: I bet you could control valgrind gdb with ida
1175352;1435202082;mircea_popescu;mats same could be said re btc.
1175353;1435202083;decimation;set breakpoints on mem leaks, etc
1175354;1435202084;asciilifeform;the folks who own it now are profoundly aware of their position. you pretty much have to beg repeatedly to so much as be given an address to which to mail the cheque
1175355;1435202085;asciilifeform;to buy a copy
1175356;1435202111;asciilifeform;mats: 'got hacked' gets same treatment as 'leaked deliberately'
1175357;1435202112;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe wot is the pill to no longer be angry.
1175358;1435202117;asciilifeform;maybe
1175359;1435202127;*;asciilifeform doesn't know the chap personally, can't help find him
1175360;1435202139;*;mircea_popescu waves in the general direction of the ethers
1175361;1435202144;decimation;asciilifeform: once you add a few more zeros to your bank account, probably can't be bothered with a few extra $k
1175362;1435202149;asciilifeform;incidentally, 'ida' is a beast quite like 'bitcoind'
1175363;1435202155;mircea_popescu;so i hear.
1175364;1435202156;asciilifeform;terrible, monumentally stinking cpp turd
1175365;1435202163;asciilifeform;to which there is no realistic alternative
1175366;1435202166;mircea_popescu;/you are not expected to understand this
1175367;1435202204;asciilifeform;decimation: understand, every 'legit' corp. on the planet which employs reverse-engineers, incl. the arms of usg, buys ida.
1175368;1435202206;mats;most of the serious dudes i know have non-attributed ida licenses
1175369;1435202213;asciilifeform;sure.
1175370;1435202223;mats;which can be easily done by setting up a shell corp, or just lie.
1175371;1435202223;asciilifeform;didn't say they buy one for each man!
1175372;1435202243;decimation;why bother with attribution?
1175373;1435202272;asciilifeform;thing is, it's attributed whether it displays your name or not
1175374;1435202292;decimation;yeah, unless you are sending envelope of cash, he has your checking account
1175375;1435202293;asciilifeform;vendor knows for whom the build (with particular order of static linked internals, etc) was built
1175376;1435202322;asciilifeform;to really deal with this, would have to obtain a number of builds, and unravel the scheme
1175377;1435202330;asciilifeform;afaik no one has ever bothered (why?)
1175378;1435202342;decimation;because it would be like paying for the sun
1175379;1435202437;asciilifeform;phun phakt: ~explotable~ crashes have been discovered in (some versions of) ida.
1175380;1435202450;asciilifeform;*exploitable
1175381;1435202469;decimation;as in, malicious?
1175382;1435202479;decimation;or as in, can be exploited if reversing the wrong warez?
1175383;1435202490;asciilifeform;as in arbitrary code exec as result of crafted sample
1175384;1435202494;decimation;heh
1175385;1435202529;asciilifeform;this did not annoy folks as much as it should have because until recently (linux ver. is new) everyone ran it on a designated turdbox with the other wincrap
1175386;1435202530;decimation;asciilifeform: if you had a winblows computer for malware, it would also be useful to hit another button and display a complete diff between running state and 'known good' state
1175387;1435202545;asciilifeform;...and guess what..
1175388;1435202615;decimation;and a third button that reverts machine to known state
1175389;1435202620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9958 @ 0.00041107 = 4.0934 BTC [-]
1175390;1435202621;asciilifeform;and guess what.
1175391;1435202628;decimation;already implemented?
1175392;1435202632;asciilifeform;aha
1175393;1435202665;decimation;on a vaguely related note, I found an amusing show on 'the weather channel' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1gZSNdkajY
1175394;1435202666;assbot;Prospectors  | S01E01  |  Breaking the Dry Spell - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcVGEr )
1175395;1435202675;asciilifeform;a bit oversimplified description, but yes, we make this.
1175396;1435202679;decimation;apparently there are people who spend their time trying to find minerals on federal land
1175397;1435202703;asciilifeform;l0l what do they get? tax break ?
1175398;1435202705;decimation;but since nobody is printing crystals, etc they can make $$
1175399;1435202740;decimation;asciilifeform: no mainly through nobody's doing, apparently it is still legal in the us to 'claim' federal land for mining
1175400;1435202757;decimation;land open to this is mainly west of the mississippi
1175401;1435202757;asciilifeform;wait till somebody finds something worth stealing
1175402;1435202762;asciilifeform;then - poof.
1175403;1435202769;decimation;yeah that's a whole episode
1175404;1435202778;decimation;trying to get usg to care about your 'property rights'
1175405;1435202779;asciilifeform;see and i didn't even need to watch it
1175406;1435202856;decimation;in fact, it seems to me that claiming the land is counterproductive, just because it shows 'where to dig'
1175407;1435202871;decimation;although it keeps the big obvious infringers off 'your' land
1175408;1435202910;asciilifeform;why would i care ~which~ thief steals everything from me ?
1175409;1435202925;asciilifeform;what difference if usg, or chinese emperor
1175410;1435202938;decimation;asciilifeform: depends if thief is using hand ax or 300 ton earthmover
1175411;1435203018;decimation;I saw a real-life gold mine the other day, saw a truck carrying 300 tons of rock
1175412;1435203026;decimation;was about 20 ft wide and 40 ft tall
1175413;1435203036;decimation;like house moving down the road
1175414;1435203048;asciilifeform;back to the debug thing (because imho it is very educational) - it is very difficult to sell something which actually solves a problem, on account of the whole meatwot thing
1175415;1435203060;asciilifeform;it is just like the 'programmers' thread from hour ago
1175416;1435203082;asciilifeform;you get to an 'uncanny valley' effect where the better the thing works, the worse off you are, because 'not believable'
1175417;1435203097;decimation;that and everyone copies
1175418;1435203099;asciilifeform;and it can even come to where you have to lie, understate capability of product, even
1175419;1435203108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00041107 = 11.5922 BTC [-]
1175420;1435203138;asciilifeform;and copies. so you're stuck where you end up selling time on the machine, in somewhat circumscribed use cases
1175421;1435203175;asciilifeform;because if you actually sell the thing full-bore, you are now 'asking money for the sun'
1175422;1435203183;decimation;the apple model is to try to convert your software into hardware
1175423;1435203196;asciilifeform;the apple model works if you're usg
1175424;1435203209;asciilifeform;and have crown franchise to do the whole schmuck-herding thing
1175425;1435203217;asciilifeform;where your idiocies have the force of law
1175426;1435203254;decimation;asciilifeform: kinda related are the eda tools for designing chips
1175427;1435203262;asciilifeform;100% usg-controlled
1175428;1435203266;asciilifeform;afaik.
1175429;1435203294;decimation;well, they are also useless if you don't have $1mil to get 'note from stalin' to make chips
1175430;1435203314;decimation;and that's for one iteration
1175431;1435203320;asciilifeform;typically takes a dozen or more.
1175432;1435203326;asciilifeform;(iterations)
1175433;1435203344;asciilifeform;at least, once did
1175434;1435203347;decimation;asciilifeform: you might find this guy mildly interesting http://www.theamphour.com/254-an-interview-with-andreas-olofsson-adatevas-ampliative-abacus/
1175435;1435203349;assbot;An Interview with Andreas Olofsson - Adateva's Ampliative Abacus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkakvz )
1175436;1435203353;decimation;he describes this process
1175437;1435203372;decimation;tried to sell 'new processor' idea on kickstarter, ended up hating kickstarter
1175438;1435203390;asciilifeform;afaik those folks are arm licensees
1175439;1435203395;asciilifeform;ergo, did not design 'new processor'
1175440;1435203401;asciilifeform;but just 'riff on old tune'
1175441;1435203409;decimation;asciilifeform: no, they use arm for board i/o control
1175442;1435203416;asciilifeform;hm.
1175443;1435203420;decimation;but they have their own silicon to perform dsp 'MAC' operation
1175444;1435203446;decimation;the guy was a dsp designer and became disillusioned by all the shit that was stuffed into dsp chip
1175445;1435203486;asciilifeform;wake me up when somebody bakes a turing-complete gadget with no winblows used ANYWHERE in the brain-to-silicon road
1175446;1435203511;asciilifeform;(other than chuck moore. who did this, yes. but he is old, and not sure if his thing is even still made)
1175447;1435203515;decimation;apparently it uses opencl program
1175448;1435203527;asciilifeform;then turd firmly cemented in.
1175449;1435203528;decimation;I think chuck moore's 'colorforth' runs on windows
1175450;1435203533;asciilifeform;it runs on whatever
1175451;1435203535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119292 @ 0.00040964 = 48.8668 BTC [-] {3} 
1175452;1435203536;asciilifeform;incl. bare z80
1175453;1435203539;asciilifeform;iirc
1175454;1435203552;asciilifeform;point is, he 'licenses' nothing.
1175455;1435203555;decimation;I tried to use it once, confusing as hell and also barely documented
1175456;1435203556;asciilifeform;100% own-code
1175457;1435203563;asciilifeform;right, why document when you know all of it
1175458;1435203566;asciilifeform;because 1 user.
1175459;1435203596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00041054 = 17.5916 BTC [+]
1175460;1435203598;decimation;yeah the same podcast interviewed vic antonic fellow, who was serb who made his own 8-bit computer back in the 80's
1175461;1435203602;asciilifeform;i have no idea what funds 'greenarrays'
1175462;1435203611;asciilifeform;perhaps it's his personal coin from sofa cushions.
1175463;1435203620;asciilifeform;the silicon equivalent of 'vanity press authors'
1175464;1435203620;decimation;he said that he felt when writing anything higher-level than assembly, he feels like the code 'isn't his own'
1175465;1435203626;asciilifeform;and he's right.
1175466;1435203655;decimation;asciilifeform: the greenarrays site seems to imply they are in production
1175467;1435203665;decimation;who knows how long they will last before they dry up and blow away
1175468;1435203668;asciilifeform;who buys, last i saw, was a mystery
1175469;1435203689;asciilifeform;perhaps mircea_popescu, to run his bitcoind-in-forth
1175470;1435203698;asciilifeform;perhaps some other mircea_popescu
1175471;1435203706;asciilifeform;('not shakespeare, but man by the same name')
1175472;1435203709;decimation;probably some arm of usg
1175473;1435203722;asciilifeform;if usg, probably just buying it to sink in the ocean
1175474;1435203739;decimation;nah, probably because someone who knew what they were doing made it work
1175475;1435203743;decimation;now usg is stuck forever
1175476;1435203748;asciilifeform;like symbolics lispm.
1175477;1435203752;decimation;precisely
1175478;1435203772;asciilifeform;(there's one lab at ft. something-or-other that has ~eternal~ support contract with symbolics co.)
1175479;1435203782;decimation;usg 'collects' technology in exactly this way
1175480;1435203783;asciilifeform;this is public.
1175481;1435203817;decimation;mainly through its defense-contract departments like lockheed, etc
1175482;1435203857;trinque;asciilifeform: it just clicked into place that these computers are precisely those field radios, as you pointed out.
1175483;1435203866;asciilifeform;i'd be surprised if archaeologists ever turn up a 'greenarrays' in usg gear
1175484;1435203871;asciilifeform;but stranger things have happened
1175485;1435203896;decimation;asciilifeform: the parallella guy was complaining that fpgas have 'eaten' the dsp market
1175486;1435203915;asciilifeform;of course. whole point of dsp was for 'annoyingly custom' problems
1175487;1435203935;decimation;and he did confirm that it costs about $1m to do a chip rev, if you go through the fab's preferred 'agents'
1175488;1435203969;decimation;apparently his eda tools were a special 'deal' for startups, with the understanding that he pays later
1175489;1435203981;asciilifeform;the other things, that $m is pure sunk cost if what you get in the post is a dud that doesn't even power
1175490;1435203986;asciilifeform;which is not unheard of
1175491;1435203993;decimation;yep, he did 4 revs
1175492;1435203999;decimation;tried to simulate on fpga as best as he could
1175493;1435204015;decimation;apparently they make massive 64-way fgpa boards to simulate a full chip
1175494;1435204020;asciilifeform;more.
1175495;1435204025;asciilifeform;up to 'refrigerator' size
1175496;1435204027;decimation;which cost ~$100k themselves
1175497;1435204032;decimation;or more
1175498;1435204032;asciilifeform;100k is 'cheap'
1175499;1435204037;asciilifeform;multi-$m is normal
1175500;1435204040;asciilifeform;plus 'support'
1175501;1435204052;asciilifeform;not really sold in the usual sense. more of a lease, like the old ibm mainframes
1175502;1435204054;decimation;and note that doesn't help you completely with silicon, as you have pointed out before
1175503;1435204108;asciilifeform;and god help you if your thing has to interact with components that you can't simulate (because you didn't design them, and what, other vendor is going to share its logic? dream)
1175504;1435204155;decimation;plus third party 'ip cores'
1175505;1435204158;asciilifeform;aha
1175506;1435204168;asciilifeform;the whole 'chip business' is in many ways ~inherently usgizing~
1175507;1435204191;asciilifeform;because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another.
1175508;1435204207;asciilifeform;ideally - a scam directly on the folks who print money
1175509;1435204216;decimation;yeah he said that his business is very difficult because any kind of processing that he could do with his chip - can be done with a specialized asic
1175510;1435204241;asciilifeform;why would folks who print money buy a device for saving a little money ?
1175511;1435204244;asciilifeform;the basic dilemma here
1175512;1435204251;decimation;so for any kind of an open standard - it is impossible for 'generic' solution to beat specialized asic
1175513;1435204269;decimation;thus, closed-turd asic eats everything
1175514;1435204275;asciilifeform;only thing it can beat it on is cost, and the folks who give a fuck re: cost can't afford ~it~ either.
1175515;1435204328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48017 @ 0.00040741 = 19.5626 BTC [-] {2} 
1175516;1435204343;decimation;it's the hardware equivilant for the software phenomenon - first turd to market wins
1175517;1435204428;decimation;hardware in general makes so little money it's a wonder anyone even bothers
1175518;1435204445;asciilifeform;because it is necessary to enable other rackets
1175519;1435204455;asciilifeform;'wintel' gets to exist for strictly, strictly that
1175520;1435204462;decimation;yeah, good point
1175521;1435204481;decimation;it becomes a vanity project for those who can print money
1175522;1435204489;decimation;which is pretty much silicon valley
1175523;1435204527;asciilifeform;this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover.
1175524;1435204554;decimation;yeah and the 'die shrink' has only made things worse
1175525;1435204591;asciilifeform;ic put the mega-org (in practice, arm of the state) in the driver's seat in much the same way as nukes once did (if you ask mircea_popescu) or still do
1175526;1435204639;asciilifeform;even ~neglecting die shrink~
1175527;1435204659;asciilifeform;no one makes 'intel 4004' in their kitchen any more than he can make 'pentium'
1175528;1435204669;decimation;yeah, it is a real problem for society when you literally need 10's to 100's of $bil to even try to 'make new ideas'
1175529;1435204695;decimation;so everyone derps in playground that can be had for $1k
1175530;1435204727;asciilifeform;in practice, it means that, e.g., cpu world is as conservative as ancient egypt
1175531;1435204744;asciilifeform;where archs that would look entirely familiar to folks in 1960s are still considered 'state of the art'
1175532;1435204752;asciilifeform;because literally no one can afford to take a risk
1175533;1435204796;decimation;asciilifeform: nearly all the 'evolution' in modern cpus can be considered to be reincarnating things ibm did in the 60's
1175534;1435204801;asciilifeform;esp. given as in '80s, 'plenty of folks risked, they all died'
1175535;1435204814;asciilifeform;yes, because they did not invent monetize-consumer-chumps as the mega-weapon
1175536;1435204866;decimation;asciilifeform: there's a similar effect in the space industry now adays
1175537;1435204894;decimation;http://spacenews.com/viasats-dankberg-unfazed-by-mega-constellation-hoopla/ < ViaSat Chief Executive Mark D. Dankberg said in a conference call with investors. ?There?s a question of whether making hundreds or thousands of satellites is a feature or a bug.?
1175538;1435204895;assbot;ViaSat’s Dankberg Unfazed by Mega-Constellation Hoopla ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc5c7 )
1175539;1435204920;asciilifeform;decimation: the sat folks are attempting a kind of chumpatron where 'let's build tiny sats that last 6 months'
1175540;1435204939;decimation;oneweb is trying to make mega-constellation of leo sats for 'free internets fer all!'
1175541;1435204948;asciilifeform;how this wins, other than by scamming usg, is unclear to me
1175542;1435204953;decimation;viasat guy is pointing out that everyone who has tried - failed
1175543;1435204971;asciilifeform;the actual economics of launches (and the basic tech) haven't changed in decades
1175544;1435204982;decimation;http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/qualcomm-teams-branson-oneweb-satellite-venture-spacex-ceo-pursues-rival-co/2015-01-18 < no oneweb is scaming Branson
1175545;1435204983;assbot;Qualcomm teams with Branson on OneWeb satellite venture as SpaceX CEO pursues rival constellation - FierceWirelessTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc8EI )
1175546;1435204991;asciilifeform;there was a brief time in '90s when 'discount' launches using repurposed ru nukes on subs were to be had
1175547;1435205001;asciilifeform;but this was not a sufficiently 'mass' phenomenon to make a real difference
1175548;1435205007;asciilifeform;and - afaik - they're through
1175549;1435205026;decimation;http://www.wsj.com/articles/greg-wylers-oneweb-satellite-internet-company-secures-funding-1421278832 < "OneWeb Ltd. said it had secured funding from Richard Branson?s Virgin Group and Qualcomm Inc. for a planned Internet service powered by a constellation of 648 satellites."
1175550;1435205028;assbot;      Greg Wyler’s OneWeb Satellite-Internet Company Secures Funding - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkcf37 )
1175551;1435205046;decimation;648!
1175552;1435205053;asciilifeform;(repurposed ~rockets~ rather than nuke per se, yes)
1175553;1435205060;asciilifeform;usg scam
1175554;1435205069;decimation;nope, not usg
1175555;1435205072;decimation;http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/06/15/oneweb-selects-airbus-to-build-900-internet-satellites/
1175556;1435205073;assbot;OneWeb selects Airbus to build 900 Internet satellites | Spaceflight Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkchbl )
1175557;1435205073;asciilifeform;ultimately they are gunning for u.s. state dept (yes) funding
1175558;1435205077;decimation;euroscam
1175559;1435205079;asciilifeform;'internet for d1ss1d3ntz1111!!!111'
1175560;1435205088;decimation;same idea though
1175561;1435205095;asciilifeform;perhaps i'm thinking of a previous iteration of this sc4m
1175562;1435205126;asciilifeform;perhaps somebody ~else~ is the mark this time
1175563;1435205127;decimation;"An 840-satellite constellation named Teledesic went bust in 2002 before its first launch, even with the backing of Bill Gates, cell phone tycoon Craig McCaw and Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal."
1175564;1435205144;decimation;maybe you are thinking of iridium
1175565;1435205149;decimation;which I think is now actually owned by usg
1175566;1435205167;asciilifeform;important to remember that sat constellation is not a permanent animal in any sense
1175567;1435205171;asciilifeform;more like 'sand painting'
1175568;1435205179;decimation;well, especially leo
1175569;1435205182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00040636 = 19.5459 BTC [-]
1175570;1435205194;decimation;atmospheric drag takes sats down
1175571;1435205208;decimation;but you don't want to be outside leo either, because of the radiation
1175572;1435205211;asciilifeform;aha
1175573;1435205230;asciilifeform;wherever you put it, it dies after ~decade, max
1175574;1435205233;decimation;like our recent angry sunspot has demonstrated
1175575;1435205290;decimation;asciilifeform: nope http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1031 < apparently hams still use a satellite launched in 1974
1175576;1435205291;assbot;AO-7 | AMSAT-NA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkcviE )
1175577;1435205310;asciilifeform;neato
1175578;1435205314;decimation;it's mostly broken, but sometimes the batteries unshort and you can get hemisephric comms
1175579;1435205314;asciilifeform;wonder what it's made of
1175580;1435205317;asciilifeform;vacuum valves ?
1175581;1435205320;decimation;it's pretty simple
1175582;1435205359;decimation;also I think both 'voyager' probes are still functional
1175583;1435205375;decimation;although nearly useless because of the decay in their radiothermal units
1175584;1435205403;asciilifeform;i bet a good share of the scrap metal floating about in space is 'functional' by this definition
1175585;1435205408;asciilifeform;as in, some portion still 'works'
1175586;1435205420;decimation;yeah probably
1175587;1435205421;asciilifeform;but 'usable for the purpose for which was built' - different matter.
1175588;1435205469;decimation;yeah it's sop to overdesign satellites and expect failure
1175589;1435205485;asciilifeform;... and this is just to get the 5-8 y. expected life.
1175590;1435205487;decimation;which is why it's amusing that the current generation thinks that launching smartphones into space is a great idea
1175591;1435205496;asciilifeform;great idea if usg pays.
1175592;1435205541;decimation;or some $bil chumper
1175593;1435205568;asciilifeform;no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
1175594;1435205609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17822 @ 0.00040558 = 7.2282 BTC [-] {2} 
1175595;1435205642;decimation;yes, in branson's case it was performing 'regulatory arbitrage' on euro airline regulations
1175596;1435205830;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1175597;1435205914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65517 @ 0.00040361 = 26.4433 BTC [-]
1175598;1435205920;phf;asciilifeform: you might find this interesting http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png. red dots are bastards when they are finally accepted, green dots are corresponding failed attempts
1175599;1435205921;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6TBsE )
1175600;1435205953;asciilifeform;phf: very interesting, and probably deserves to be posted to therealbitcoin mailinglist.
1175601;1435205969;decimation;phf: neat
1175602;1435205973;asciilifeform;(at present everyone who reads it, also reads #b-a, but this is not guaranteed)
1175603;1435205980;decimation;I did a small sample of this, but not the whole deal
1175604;1435206015;asciilifeform;phf: if you generated this with a custom patch for the beast itself, please share this
1175605;1435206023;decimation;the only solution I can think of is to spoon feed nodes in a 'known good' order
1175606;1435206034;phf;asciilifeform: unfortunately not, parsing the log files
1175607;1435206057;asciilifeform;phf: somewhere we have an anti-debug.log-rollover patch
1175608;1435206063;asciilifeform;but perhaps you did this already yourself.
1175609;1435206089;asciilifeform;decimation: the current 'solution' - patience - also works.
1175610;1435206101;decimation;phf: I made a patch to note from which node each block comes
1175611;1435206111;decimation;it's amusing to watch the thing jump around
1175612;1435206143;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah it's certainly not the most pressing problem with bitcoind
1175613;1435206149;asciilifeform;the whole 'one sync partner at a time' thing is also retarded, but trying to do anything about it without bringing back 'bastard cache' is pointless
1175614;1435206219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.0003982 = 43.0852 BTC [-] {3} 
1175615;1435206278;phf;asciilifeform: i ran into log rollover, and had to restart syncing process from scratch. yet another "convenience" anti feature
1175616;1435206450;asciilifeform;phf: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771 << zap it
1175617;1435206452;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkdQWK )
1175618;1435206467;asciilifeform;trivial change.
1175619;1435206482;asciilifeform;i probably oughta add a commandline flag for this
1175620;1435206487;asciilifeform;as permanent fixture
1175621;1435206506;asciilifeform;(rollover by default, but can be toggled)
1175622;1435206525;decimation;asciilifeform: in the future, it would be useful to set the 'buffer size' for incoming txns in the conf file
1175623;1435206528;asciilifeform;^ whoever wants to do this, it'd be a good thing
1175624;1435206544;asciilifeform;decimation: mempool size ?
1175625;1435206560;decimation;mapOrphanTransactions?
1175626;1435206566;asciilifeform;gone
1175627;1435206578;asciilifeform;and i see no reason to ever bring it back..
1175628;1435206582;asciilifeform;(anyone?)
1175629;1435206589;Vexual;cunt runs a tight ship
1175630;1435206606;decimation;ah I see, was looking at earlier patch
1175631;1435206620;asciilifeform;Vexual: ship runs tight cunt
1175632;1435206653;decimation;asciilifeform: so does the tx pool consist strictly of those txns which originate from previous block only?
1175633;1435206662;asciilifeform;blocks.
1175634;1435206683;decimation;yeah, previous valid blocks.
1175635;1435206687;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-06-2015#1154352 << see also.
1175636;1435206687;assbot;Logged on 05-06-2015 00:42:31; asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
1175637;1435206688;asciilifeform;yes,
1175638;1435206689;asciilifeform;.
1175639;1435206725;asciilifeform;key point here is that anything without a hard antecedent ~on disk now~ could equally well be random garbage
1175640;1435206732;decimation;yeah
1175641;1435206744;asciilifeform;asking node to accept maybe-verifiable-as-not-rubbish-tomorrow is a jam-tomorrow.
1175642;1435206750;decimation;so when new block is found, and the new block only contains a subset of the existing tx pool
1175643;1435206763;decimation;do the 'non-blocked' txns remain?
1175644;1435206774;asciilifeform;remain where?
1175645;1435206778;decimation;in mempool
1175646;1435206783;asciilifeform;whose mempool
1175647;1435206795;decimation;well, imma node, I hear txns, they all come from previous blocks
1175648;1435206816;decimation;a new block is found, some of the txns in memory are now contained in the new block
1175649;1435206826;decimation;some are not
1175650;1435206836;asciilifeform;they sit, yes
1175651;1435206840;asciilifeform;where would they go.
1175652;1435206845;decimation;also flush
1175653;1435206858;decimation;if you failed to make it in a block, your txn doesn't exist, resend
1175654;1435206885;asciilifeform;out of general principle, ought to retransmit until 'blockified'
1175655;1435206891;decimation;indeed
1175656;1435206892;asciilifeform;because mempool is by nature ephemeral
1175657;1435206904;decimation;thus, node may flush txn at its pleasure
1175658;1435206906;asciilifeform;aha
1175659;1435206912;asciilifeform;by, say, turning off mains plug
1175660;1435206917;decimation;indeed
1175661;1435206928;decimation;or by setting a conf flag for 'how long does txn sit'
1175662;1435206932;asciilifeform;aha.
1175663;1435206973;decimation;or a conf flag for sorting txns by value for a miner
1175664;1435206975;asciilifeform;i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
1175665;1435206991;asciilifeform;why is everybody stuck playing cache for the miners
1175666;1435207012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34370 @ 0.00041082 = 14.1199 BTC [+] {2} 
1175667;1435207014;decimation;as in, why does non-miner node even bother with txns?
1175668;1435207019;asciilifeform;aha
1175669;1435207039;decimation;yeah it's kinda masterbatory
1175670;1435207054;asciilifeform;not even sure that it was done for cache, rather than out of some misguided notion of 'anonymization'
1175671;1435207067;asciilifeform;(like the idiot 'change addr' thing)
1175672;1435207112;decimation;asciilifeform: one can imagine an entire new 'metaprotocol' for sufficiently pleasing a miner to accept your txn
1175673;1435207122;asciilifeform;what's wrong with 'fee'
1175674;1435207127;decimation;nothin'
1175675;1435207141;decimation;but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
1175676;1435207162;decimation;this will become explict at some point anyway
1175677;1435207174;asciilifeform;why would they bother to answer ?
1175678;1435207182;decimation;I guess miner 'speaks with sword'
1175679;1435207191;asciilifeform;responsibility of sender of tx to learn what 'going rate' is
1175680;1435207279;decimation;I suppose they can find through out-of-band comms with miner or by 'did it make it into block'
1175681;1435207305;asciilifeform;not sure why any communication other than 'fee' and 'made into block or not' is necessary here
1175682;1435207321;decimation;so n00bs know how much 'fee' to add
1175683;1435207331;decimation;a minor learning curve
1175684;1435207333;asciilifeform;they can look at recently blockified tx-en
1175685;1435207339;decimation;indeed.
1175686;1435207354;decimation;at any rate, making the reference client attractive to miners would be wise
1175687;1435207398;asciilifeform;can't help but wonder if any serious miner will ever touch what he himself did not write
1175688;1435207406;asciilifeform;sorta like mircea_popescu's magical private bitcoind
1175689;1435207424;asciilifeform;why would a 'serious' fella 1) use anything but what himself wrote 2) share so much as a word of it with anyone
1175690;1435207432;asciilifeform;much to lose - little to gain.
1175691;1435207434;decimation;because lazy
1175692;1435207447;decimation;knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind
1175693;1435207464;decimation;these skills are not the same 'ting' as taleb wrote
1175694;1435207507;*;asciilifeform does not have 'intel dept.' and cannot comment re: what miners do, aside from the trivially observable
1175695;1435207512;decimation;asciilifeform: why would ulbricht keep detailed records of his incriminating evidence on his laptop?
1175696;1435207522;asciilifeform;decimation: because retardation?
1175697;1435207526;decimation;exactly.
1175698;1435207570;asciilifeform;incidentally, prior to the fall of ulbricht, i entertained the notion that sr is run by 'serious person'
1175699;1435207580;decimation;heh me too
1175700;1435207582;asciilifeform;on custom logic, etc.
1175701;1435207596;decimation;in retrospect, using 'tor' was a giveaway
1175702;1435207598;asciilifeform;but folks who actually ~saw~ sr alive tell me that this was always loony.
1175703;1435207654;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, for instance, sr also ran escrow service
1175704;1435207690;punkman;and hedging service
1175705;1435207747;decimation;asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road'
1175706;1435207756;decimation;err, kim jung-un
1175707;1435207757;punkman;maybe he does
1175708;1435207765;punkman;there's like 3 dozen of them
1175709;1435207772;asciilifeform;between the coke, whores, and 'warcraft' - when ?
1175710;1435207778;decimation;heh
1175711;1435207789;decimation;yeah, but dpr has already shown how to annoy usg
1175712;1435207803;decimation;of course the opm hack did about 1000x  more damage to usg
1175713;1435207821;asciilifeform;kju 'annoys usg' in strictly-circumscribed kabuki defined by his elders.
1175714;1435207832;decimation;if only to make it obvious that usg employees can't trust usg to keep them safe
1175715;1435207868;funkenstein_;i'm not in the know, but always assumed various usg hat wearing agencies mostly competed with other usg hat wearing agencies
1175716;1435207877;decimation;yeah he is just the crazy guy who yells at people until he is placated with rice
1175717;1435207904;asciilifeform;mr mold's term was 'muppet state'
1175718;1435207915;asciilifeform;muppet can 'bite' muppeteer, but to a point.
1175719;1435207924;decimation;yeah, I think yarvin's 'state vs dod' proxy wars make a fair bit of sense
1175720;1435208310;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << aaaand we've past 1+M.
1175721;1435208315;*;asciilifeform reaches for gear shift lever
1175722;1435208430;*;punkman hits 500 error
1175723;1435208437;decimation;asciilifeform: are you still feeding gpg keys into it?
1175724;1435208479;asciilifeform;decimation: not as of 2 min. ago
1175725;1435208481;mircea_popescu;just reload punkman
1175726;1435208504;asciilifeform;and yes, sqlite was not meant for this
1175727;1435208508;decimation;how many sks keys exist?
1175728;1435208517;decimation;heh no not really
1175729;1435208527;asciilifeform;~1.3M rsa-containing keys
1175730;1435208555;asciilifeform;https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wv-57.jpg?w=580&h=345
1175731;1435208556;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6WLg1 )
1175732;1435208569;mircea_popescu;what was sqlite meant for ?
1175733;1435208576;asciilifeform;stamp collections ?
1175734;1435208593;decimation;no, actually it was originall designed to be wedged into a usg radar system
1175735;1435208659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45014 @ 0.00039938 = 17.9777 BTC [-] {3} 
1175736;1435208680;mircea_popescu;i thought stamp collectors all use mysql
1175737;1435208680;decimation;"Hipp was designing software used aboard guided missile destroyers, which were originally based on HP-UX with an IBM Informix database back-end. The design goals of SQLite were to allow the program to be operated without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator."
1175738;1435208694;decimation;!up Vexual
1175739;1435208709;decimation;^ guy had to wedge relational database into ancient unix shit
1175740;1435208717;decimation;without db admin, or thinking person involved
1175741;1435208740;mircea_popescu;also, branson specialises in being scammed.
1175742;1435208772;decimation;yeah he also invested in that 'space tourism' loltron
1175743;1435208781;mircea_popescu;this "without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator." reads to me like "car that can be used without breaks"
1175744;1435208786;mircea_popescu;sure, for as long as it can be used it can be used
1175745;1435208789;mircea_popescu;after which...
1175746;1435208806;Vexual;manupause
1175747;1435208808;decimation;yeah, point of db admin is to actually think about how to arrange data
1175748;1435208809;mircea_popescu;decimation isn't he the original "how to make a small fortune ? start with a big one" ?
1175749;1435208820;decimation;heh yeah
1175750;1435208828;mircea_popescu;music label. went to shit.
1175751;1435208830;mircea_popescu;airline. went to shit.
1175752;1435208834;mircea_popescu;"space tourism". shit.
1175753;1435208843;mircea_popescu;you name it, he turned it to shit. shitranson.
1175754;1435208858;Vexual;teeths are shiny
1175755;1435208869;asciilifeform;wake me up when he has problems making rent
1175756;1435208876;mircea_popescu;if they stacked shit that high he could have a twin brother, go whiterafting with the bitcoin godfather pair.
1175757;1435208952;mircea_popescu;i don't get something. what does having more satellites help ? you still have the same problems of intsat whether there's ten or ten thousand.
1175758;1435209025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00039603 = 16.2768 BTC [-]
1175759;1435209032;decimation;apparently his airline is still going to shit
1175760;1435209035;asciilifeform;it 'helps' in the sense of (as they hope) setting up money siphon from usg
1175761;1435209044;asciilifeform;to constantly send up 'disposable' boxes into leo
1175762;1435209062;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175593 << i was worth > 1 bil earlier this year i'll have you know!
1175763;1435209062;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:12:48; asciilifeform: no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
1175764;1435209072;asciilifeform;1b in spendables.
1175765;1435209077;asciilifeform;as in, turkeys.
1175766;1435209078;mircea_popescu;and then mom asked "in what currency" and i said "doesn't matter"
1175767;1435209103;mircea_popescu;turkeys are "spendables" ?!
1175768;1435209111;decimation;mircea_popescu: 'more satellites' is needed because leo
1175769;1435209125;decimation;low earth satellites can only 'see' a small fraction of the earth
1175770;1435209130;decimation;and therefore need lots for coverage
1175771;1435209137;decimation;the reason why you want leo is: latency
1175772;1435209146;mircea_popescu;decimation ok, sure. but all you need is one up. having to up helps maybe some. 200 ? marginal utility decays pretty fast
1175773;1435209148;mircea_popescu;would seem to me.
1175774;1435209148;decimation;speed of light delay from earth to geo and back is intolerable
1175775;1435209165;decimation;no, do the orbital math
1175776;1435209174;decimation;leo is only visible for a few minutes at a time
1175777;1435209178;decimation;a few times per day
1175778;1435209178;mircea_popescu;oh so it's actually needed for coverage
1175779;1435209179;mircea_popescu;aha
1175780;1435209195;decimation;so you a continuous parade to maintain coverage yes
1175781;1435209198;mircea_popescu;basically, if you're gonna do leo telecoms it's either 1k or go home
1175782;1435209203;decimation;yep
1175783;1435209207;mircea_popescu;ic.
1175784;1435209214;decimation;and leo is the only answer to the latency issue
1175785;1435209220;mircea_popescu;right.
1175786;1435209224;mircea_popescu;and your parade won't stay ordered
1175787;1435209229;decimation;nope
1175788;1435209231;mircea_popescu;so this is basically a continual launch deal.
1175789;1435209234;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << aaaand we're back.
1175790;1435209239;decimation;exactly
1175791;1435209243;mircea_popescu;nice contract to have.
1175792;1435209246;decimation;and each satellite needs to maintain its orbit, etc
1175793;1435209252;asciilifeform;nah
1175794;1435209256;asciilifeform;these are 'breadboxes'
1175795;1435209258;asciilifeform;no thrusters.
1175796;1435209264;asciilifeform;(at least, last i saw this scam)
1175797;1435209264;decimation;using fuel or magnetorquers
1175798;1435209281;asciilifeform;whole point of the 'microsats'
1175799;1435209283;asciilifeform;no mechanicals
1175800;1435209284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would suspect they'd have a minimal sail or something
1175801;1435209294;asciilifeform;not the last time i saw this.
1175802;1435209297;asciilifeform;plain cubes.
1175803;1435209308;mircea_popescu;just give them a little assymetry allow them some limited self-righting
1175804;1435209312;mircea_popescu;otherwise this smacks of insanity.
1175805;1435209326;asciilifeform;usganity
1175806;1435209366;decimation;no they have magnets to orient themselves with earth's magnetic field
1175807;1435209377;decimation;but this isn't a simple matter either, obviously
1175808;1435209382;mircea_popescu;anyway, nioce contract to have. basically, it's a "build this many launchers and fire them continuously forever"
1175809;1435209384;asciilifeform;kinda useless if couldn't align
1175810;1435209389;asciilifeform;(horn gotta point down)
1175811;1435209401;decimation;asciilifeform: aye, that's why you also need to align
1175812;1435209403;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~all~ satellite business reduces to that kind of contract
1175813;1435209407;asciilifeform;only question is - how often
1175814;1435209413;mircea_popescu;this seems pretty often
1175815;1435209418;mircea_popescu;both because drag and headcount.
1175816;1435209420;asciilifeform;aha
1175817;1435209420;decimation;how? star tracker: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/podcasting/StarTrackers.html
1175818;1435209421;assbot;NASA - Star Trackers Lights the Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWn9l )
1175819;1435209432;mircea_popescu;you get 100x as many sats with 0.01x lifespan. 10kx !
1175820;1435209436;asciilifeform;which is why i said, these folks are trying to push scam to a kind of logical conclusion
1175821;1435209451;decimation;yeah the oneweb thing is about an order of magnitude bigger at trying to do something that has failed every time it has been tried
1175822;1435209455;asciilifeform;i predict that eventually they will justify it with talk of 'railguns'
1175823;1435209466;asciilifeform;which will launch microsats 'for free', 'any day now'
1175824;1435209476;mircea_popescu;i dun see why not.
1175825;1435209480;mircea_popescu;they do launch jets off carriers atm
1175826;1435209492;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtsGAkyeIo nazi vid got flagged
1175827;1435209499;mircea_popescu;not free of course. but cheaper than steam
1175828;1435209502;asciilifeform;not impossible to build hardware that eats 500g
1175829;1435209503;decimation;the 'why not' is the massive acceleration you have to give with reasonable sized guns
1175830;1435209505;mircea_popescu;faster charge at any rate.
1175831;1435209506;asciilifeform;but costs.
1175832;1435209508;decimation;exactly
1175833;1435209532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's reasonable sized ? could be a mile long for all it matters.
1175834;1435209542;decimation;heh
1175835;1435209542;asciilifeform;mile long vacuum ?
1175836;1435209543;mircea_popescu;just think you're making a bridge
1175837;1435209546;asciilifeform;or mile of atmosphere
1175838;1435209547;mircea_popescu;sure.
1175839;1435209570;asciilifeform;;;google hochdruckpumpe
1175840;1435209571;gribble;Common Rail Hochdruckpumpe Animation - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbbYsVDD0PI>; V-3 cannon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon>; Fortress of Mimoyecques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Mimoyecques>
1175841;1435209572;mircea_popescu;"discouraged atmosphere", soft vacuum
1175842;1435209577;decimation;for one thing you would need a massive capacitor bank
1175843;1435209586;mircea_popescu;so you would.
1175844;1435209597;mircea_popescu;the rail gun is the necessary next step after the cern
1175845;1435209602;mircea_popescu;basically the same hardware involved.
1175846;1435209618;asciilifeform;not physically impossible, just very gnarly.
1175847;1435209622;mircea_popescu;sure.
1175848;1435209631;mircea_popescu;which is what makes for a decent engineering project.
1175849;1435209636;asciilifeform;at any rate, actually building it would run contrary to the spirit of the scam
1175850;1435209646;*;mircea_popescu isn't much into scams.
1175851;1435209649;asciilifeform;that money 'could be snorted'
1175852;1435209659;mircea_popescu;but the rail gun is more substantial than most shit getting funded.
1175853;1435209668;asciilifeform;i can think of 1,001 'substantial'
1175854;1435209676;decimation;it's probably more realistic to launch small chemical rockets factory-style
1175855;1435209690;decimation;like the nazis did, more-or-less
1175856;1435209690;mircea_popescu;decimation dirtier.
1175857;1435209697;decimation;sure, but not a mega-project
1175858;1435209703;mircea_popescu;but this is a mega project.
1175859;1435209707;mircea_popescu;that's the predicate.
1175860;1435209721;mircea_popescu;we want 1k+ launch events each day, and we want a total of 100 tons shipped upstairs a day.
1175861;1435209721;asciilifeform;i bet something like lensed explosive would beat railgun
1175862;1435209727;asciilifeform;with similar engineering constraints
1175863;1435209748;decimation;asciilifeform: or the 'drop nukes behind steel shell' method
1175864;1435209757;mircea_popescu;dirty.
1175865;1435209861;mircea_popescu;http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png << great graph thx.
1175866;1435209862;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWTnL )
1175867;1435209865;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/bent_flyvbjerg.html > re: megaprojects: " Guest: No, it's actually worse than that. Nine out of ten have costs that are underestimated. Nine out of 10 have benefits that are overestimated, and 9 out of 10 have schedules that are underestimated. So, when you combine those, it's actually a very small fraction of projects that both are done to budgets, to schedule, and deliver the promised benefit
1175868;1435209867;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWTnU )
1175869;1435209909;mircea_popescu;i dun think this yet happened.
1175870;1435209920;mircea_popescu;what's the project that was on time on budget and delivered ?
1175871;1435209929;mircea_popescu;hoover dam was overrun. big dig was... heh.
1175872;1435209932;mircea_popescu;pick it. which ?
1175873;1435209948;decimation;well, for megaprojects ( > $1 bils) the answer is almost none
1175874;1435209953;Vexual;new panama expansion
1175875;1435209953;asciilifeform;that schmuck who hanged self from elevator.
1175876;1435209957;asciilifeform;said - delivered.
1175877;1435209958;asciilifeform;on time!
1175878;1435209980;mircea_popescu;if you ask him it was prolly late
1175879;1435209981;decimation;he points out that the new guggenheim museum in bilbao spain delievered
1175880;1435209983;mircea_popescu;or early, i guess.
1175881;1435210020;*;asciilifeform wonders about the choice of elevator. gotta have been like those old pirate hangings, with hang/unhang/hang/unhang sequence
1175882;1435210025;asciilifeform;thing goes up, down
1175883;1435210038;decimation;hang from elastic climbing rope?
1175884;1435210070;asciilifeform;http://jessamyn.com/barth/colby.html << as described here!
1175885;1435210077;asciilifeform;(classic of engl. literature)
1175886;1435210083;asciilifeform;'hanging on bouncyball'
1175887;1435210105;decimation;the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
1175888;1435210125;decimation;"That means that we don't have any other buildings. It's equivalent to taking Frank Gehry, who is considered the world's most famous architect by now and who is considered to be in the same league as Jørn Utzon regarding doing magic aesthetics and magic buildings. ... That's the cost of the Sydney Opera House. It was not a success; it was a huge failure, in those terms. "
1175889;1435210154;mircea_popescu;i wish to be shown this "magic aesthetics".
1175890;1435210161;decimation;heh
1175891;1435210165;decimation;I knew you would bite on that line
1175892;1435210177;mircea_popescu;afaik the entire thing';s rubbishj, and if you're going to hire fortune tellers, always hire the cheapest.
1175893;1435210198;decimation;what if one fortune teller is amazingly accurate?
1175894;1435210198;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1175895;1435210218;asciilifeform;that's like saying 'if going to stot, jump as little as you can'
1175896;1435210221;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175664 << it is, and remains, the premiere systematic, actual problem of the protocol. somehow, this will have to be fixed.
1175897;1435210221;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:36:15; asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
1175898;1435210235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thery all deliver the same results.
1175899;1435210249;asciilifeform;same amount of 'lion discouragement' ?
1175900;1435210257;asciilifeform;somebody gotta tell the gazelles this.
1175901;1435210270;mircea_popescu;what lion was discouraged from bilbao ?
1175902;1435210277;asciilifeform;none afaik
1175903;1435210283;mircea_popescu;what, it keeps the muslims orderly in line to raping the spanish hos v 2.0 ?
1175904;1435210293;asciilifeform;picking at the general principle of 'cheapest shaman' observation
1175905;1435210319;mircea_popescu;im unconvinced this is stotting. i don't dispute it could be called that, but then again anything could.
1175906;1435210334;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the actual behaviour works in nature. and has its own context. this lacks both those factors.
1175907;1435210370;decimation;and of course, in retrospect everything looks like a good deal: "You should ask the people who actually got to pay for the projects and got to pay the extra sums, whether they are happy about it. Of course, later generations are happy about a project, because they get it for free ride. "
1175908;1435210374;asciilifeform;there is also orlov's 'deer hunter' effect
1175909;1435210398;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175675 << you don't want the bitches talking back. for the obvious reason that if they can, they will, and next you're gonna have voting or some stupidshit like that.
1175910;1435210398;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:39:01; decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
1175911;1435210406;asciilifeform;(which sums to the observation that it is possible to breed people to become a kind of cow)
1175912;1435210443;decimation;are miners slaves or the elite?
1175913;1435210453;mircea_popescu;yes.
1175914;1435210458;asciilifeform;!b 2
1175915;1435210459;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07BA2D8.txt )
1175916;1435210460;Vexual;lol
1175917;1435210490;Vexual;pardon
1175918;1435210515;decimation;seems like they are 'commanders of capital' in the classic robber-baron sense
1175919;1435210521;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1175920;1435210542;decimation;what about the pile of asics they gotta buy and feed?
1175921;1435210554;mircea_popescu;what about it ?
1175922;1435210587;asciilifeform;'Colby asked if he could have a firing squad. No, Howard said, he could not. Howard said a firing squad would just be an ego trip for Colby, the blindfold and last-cigarette bit, and that Colby was in enough hot water already without trying to "upstage" everyone with unnecessary theatrics. Colby said he was sorry, he hadn't meant it that way, he'd take the tree. Tomas crumpled up the gibbet sketches he'd been making, in disgus
1175923;1435210588;asciilifeform;t.'
1175924;1435210597;decimation;as the asic investment gets more expensive, it becomes more centralized and oliogopical
1175925;1435210612;asciilifeform;^ see also today's asic thread..
1175926;1435210620;decimation;exactly
1175927;1435210633;mircea_popescu;which is why hard forks gotta stay on the table
1175928;1435210635;mircea_popescu;unpleasant as they are.
1175929;1435210646;decimation;what's going to prevent the situation where only two or three miners remain
1175930;1435210658;decimation;and if you want to put a txn on the block, gotta meet their terms
1175931;1435210662;asciilifeform;sorta how working nukes gotta stay on the table
1175932;1435210664;mircea_popescu;if we know this is the case, the blocks change to briock their mining gear.
1175933;1435210669;mircea_popescu;if we don't know this is the case it's not the case.
1175934;1435210682;mircea_popescu;mutually assured anal pain, in the sense they get it.
1175935;1435210715;asciilifeform;'what is the point of building a doomsday machine if no one is told!' (tm) (r) ('strangelove')
1175936;1435210742;mircea_popescu;"know about it" means something more from physics. "unobservable phenomena are spiritism not physics"
1175937;1435210753;asciilifeform;aha
1175938;1435210762;asciilifeform;(somebody plz tell the 'strings' folks this?!)
1175939;1435210783;mircea_popescu;why, they're cute. everyone watches their "journals" like kitten pics.
1175940;1435210797;asciilifeform;ugh
1175941;1435210855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00039603 = 17.9798 BTC [-]
1175942;1435210916;asciilifeform;thing is, like the old-fashioned proverbial nukefest, above scenario works best as a game-theoretical device
1175943;1435210919;asciilifeform;rather than practice.
1175944;1435210939;asciilifeform;if you even smell the practice - your whole system has failed in a catastrophic way
1175945;1435210972;asciilifeform;(picture if the 'anti-centralization hardfork' were a regular event.)
1175946;1435210985;mircea_popescu;da fuckiung world we live in. viasat has been doing satellites forever. google is a newcomer in the field. spacex is a newcomer in general. yet the viasat ceo has to explain why he, the expert, is doing what he's doing. the newb schmucks aren't expected to explain themselves.
1175947;1435210991;decimation;yeah, it sounds like the turkish government
1175948;1435210992;mircea_popescu;fucking upside down alice in wonderland nonsense.
1175949;1435211042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me just point out that the theory of "unavoidable monopoly" has issues. for instance, cabs in buenos aires are still un=united.
1175950;1435211063;mircea_popescu;the reason the us has two parties may have more to do with the indolent stolidity of the usians minds than any rule of nature.
1175951;1435211076;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175523 << see also
1175952;1435211076;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 03:55:27; asciilifeform: this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover.
1175953;1435211090;asciilifeform;ic is fundamentally 'statalizing' tech
1175954;1435211101;asciilifeform;like satellite.
1175955;1435211102;mircea_popescu;for a fundamentally broken people.
1175956;1435211107;asciilifeform;for everyone.
1175957;1435211108;mircea_popescu;not all people react to same tech same way.
1175958;1435211112;decimation;the 'two parties' thing kinda became a convenient foil to distract the masses while the bureaucracy runs things
1175959;1435211125;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175507
1175960;1435211125;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 03:49:51; asciilifeform: because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another.
1175961;1435211131;asciilifeform;true for ic. not for cab.
1175962;1435211132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alchemy was not fundamentally the same thing for chinese and italians.
1175963;1435211162;decimation;yeah, but which alchemy turned lead to gold?
1175964;1435211168;mircea_popescu;what is sailing ? and why has the same tech done different things for the dutch, the english, the spanish, and the latins ?
1175965;1435211173;mircea_popescu;decimation none did.
1175966;1435211181;mircea_popescu;both claimed, very similar almost identical things
1175967;1435211183;decimation;yet, ics ... work
1175968;1435211191;decimation;at least to some definition
1175969;1435211194;mircea_popescu;i just went through 5k lines today of how they don't.
1175970;1435211199;mircea_popescu;well which is it.
1175971;1435211203;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc chinese focused more on the immortality thing
1175972;1435211205;asciilifeform;than gold
1175973;1435211212;mircea_popescu;this is correct
1175974;1435211219;mircea_popescu;but in the same way : philosopher's stone bestows wishes
1175975;1435211226;mircea_popescu;yet they wished infinte time not infiniute money.
1175976;1435211228;mircea_popescu;weird huh
1175977;1435211257;asciilifeform;that's what comes from 'stability' as virtue
1175978;1435211276;mircea_popescu;so not all cultures fuck up tech the same way.
1175979;1435211293;decimation;perhaps not, but nobody makes observable ics yet
1175980;1435211294;asciilifeform;('infinite money' cultures ended up with equally asinine 'growth as virtue')
1175981;1435211395;decimation;I would agree that if we have a few decades with roughly stable ic fab tech, it's likely that 'growth' will come from genuine design differences
1175982;1435211417;decimation;but you still need $bil to make the thing go
1175983;1435211428;asciilifeform;decimation: not if microshit has a seat at the table.
1175984;1435211446;mircea_popescu;it can not have a seat anywhere.
1175985;1435211451;mircea_popescu;stable means just this : no more sv.
1175986;1435211452;decimation;microshit seems to be capitulating to some degree
1175987;1435211458;asciilifeform;'genuine design difference' ~requires~ burning last 40 yrs.
1175988;1435211465;asciilifeform;not burned? not genuine difference.
1175989;1435211468;mircea_popescu;and people will, once the moore stops.
1175990;1435211476;mircea_popescu;that was the one pacifier of a thousand quashed hopes.
1175991;1435211477;asciilifeform;it stopped in '07.
1175992;1435211484;decimation;yeah, more-or-less
1175993;1435211487;asciilifeform;wake me up when smell burning.
1175994;1435211491;decimation;it might deliever another cycle or two
1175995;1435211512;mircea_popescu;weren't you arguing that it hasn't stopped when i first proposed this ?
1175996;1435211524;decimation;I was
1175997;1435211542;decimation;intel seems to have legitimate tech to go down another halving or so
1175998;1435211558;asciilifeform;fat lot of good, when, e.g., dram, hasn't kept up
1175999;1435211573;mircea_popescu;doubtful, but anyway. it's a question of when.
1176000;1435211582;asciilifeform;not to mention the 'wriggleysgumizations' introduced by the shrinkage
1176001;1435211588;asciilifeform;lossy dram cells, 'ssd' rot, etc
1176002;1435211635;decimation;but they are scheduling maybe 2016 for 10 nm, maybe http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intels-10nm-cannonlake-processors-due-in-mid-2016-leaked-roadmap/
1176003;1435211637;assbot;Intel’s 10nm Cannonlake processors due in mid-2016 – leaked roadmap | KitGuru ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBZEp5 )
1176004;1435211660;decimation;note that they are admitting they can't make more than 2 cores without yield issues
1176005;1435211675;mircea_popescu;what's the outlook on what they can make if usg dole dries up ?
1176006;1435211684;asciilifeform;hog harnesses.
1176007;1435211696;mircea_popescu;mmmkay.
1176008;1435211764;*;mircea_popescu is kinda curious how budget for next year looks, on that score. does "law enforcement" get triple budget and everything else trims or not.
1176009;1435211779;asciilifeform;more than one way to budget
1176010;1435211787;decimation;mircea_popescu: it might all be moot if usg's interest rate ticks up
1176011;1435211789;asciilifeform;even now they're what, 20% privateer ?
1176012;1435211795;asciilifeform;(as in, actually funded by loot)
1176013;1435211797;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175691 << this is a very good argument
1176014;1435211797;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:43:54; decimation: because lazy
1176015;1435211818;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and they'll be 60% privateer on a tripled budget and it still won't be enough
1176016;1435211829;mircea_popescu;under the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks
1176017;1435211832;asciilifeform;enough for what ?
1176018;1435211844;mircea_popescu;i dunno, whatever it is they do.
1176019;1435211848;mircea_popescu;"enforce law"
1176020;1435211867;decimation;might as well go to the roman 'decentralized' system
1176021;1435211880;asciilifeform;wake me up when a hundred, much less million, 'stacks'
1176022;1435211912;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175705 << not only stupid, but also ignorant. why should he take bitcoin donations ? paypal works fine!
1176023;1435211912;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 04:49:07; decimation: asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road'
1176024;1435211927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's been over a hundred this year.
1176025;1435211937;mircea_popescu;there's been about two a week.
1176026;1435211942;decimation;well, if you take the megaprojects guy's arguments at face value, the average megaproject has a 99% chance of failure
1176027;1435211945;asciilifeform;of some schmuck shoots other schmuck? sure
1176028;1435211949;asciilifeform;of schmuck vs usg proper ?
1176029;1435211964;decimation;and considering that every usg agency is effectively a megaproject, usg operates on maybe 1% of its outlays
1176030;1435211991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my words were "the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks"
1176031;1435212009;mircea_popescu;decimation that's a point.
1176032;1435212014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.00041193 = 13.985 BTC [+]
1176033;1435212026;asciilifeform;a filthy orc knifing a policeman, or similar, is not a 'joe stack.' in my mind, 'stack' is a fella who inflicts disproportionate damage
1176034;1435212039;decimation;my point being that 'services delivered' by usg are completely unrelated to the money spent
1176035;1435212046;asciilifeform;as in, demolishes a 100m whatever
1176036;1435212058;asciilifeform;(recall the janitor who burned down a nuke sub?)
1176037;1435212078;decimation;asciilifeform: there's a similar story with the recently-released files on the metro 'smoke incident'
1176038;1435212087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point of the pressure is not the damage. merely, civilians that dun like da police.
1176039;1435212124;mircea_popescu;and if i recall you protested that joe stack did not do any damage at all, let alone disproportionate
1176040;1435212138;mircea_popescu;you really gotta pick some sort of an orthodoxy, you're making my head spin. which is it
1176041;1435212152;asciilifeform;herr stack ~did~ burn down an office hell (albeit empty)
1176042;1435212158;mircea_popescu;so which is it!
1176043;1435212195;mircea_popescu;alf can't commit. "well, depends. in this circumstance, it is, in that it isn't, whadda ya want from me! peter pan over here, always young an' happy!"
1176044;1435212201;asciilifeform;l0l
1176045;1435212204;mircea_popescu;hehe
1176046;1435212277;mircea_popescu;in other news, i'm having the world's worst strawberries. they are the size of plums, quite red except the part under the leaf is plain white... what the fuck is with this world.
1176047;1435212289;punkman;seems plausible that orc with knife cost them more than joe
1176048;1435212323;mircea_popescu;crunchy and everything. oh, the strawberries of mine youth...
1176049;1435212352;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/ntsb-begins-two-days-of-public-hearings-into-fatal-metro-incident/2015/06/22/1884da66-190e-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html < metro is run entirely by orcs, who cannot do anything as complicated as reversing a single train
1176050;1435212353;assbot; What Metro train operator heard in tunnel: ‘Yelling, screaming, kicking and banging’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC0KkQ )
1176051;1435212356;asciilifeform;punkman: question apparently is 'who runs out first?'
1176052;1435212366;asciilifeform;police? or 'antipolice'
1176053;1435212376;mircea_popescu;punkman i can readily see asciilifeform argue that moreover joe stack was part of an obscure bezzlatron to provide office refurbishment at a profit. why not rite.
1176054;1435212376;punkman;they are both in debt already
1176055;1435212405;decimation;the number of "vale're whites" who work for usg far outweighs the number of joe stacks
1176056;1435212433;punkman;my strawberries have a bit of white there too, but this batch is good, smells/tastes like strawberry rather than water balloon
1176057;1435212477;mircea_popescu;i just don't recall ever seeing this, white on a strawberry, as a kid. that's more of a framboise thing
1176058;1435212480;mircea_popescu;however you call em
1176059;1435212505;decimation;heh raspberry
1176060;1435212513;*;asciilifeform ate ~REAL~ strawberries not long ago
1176061;1435212516;mircea_popescu;ah no.
1176062;1435212518;asciilifeform;grown by colleague
1176063;1435212525;mircea_popescu;wtf is it. the tiny strawberry cousin
1176064;1435212535;decimation;alpine strawberries?
1176065;1435212536;trinque;asciilifeform: we've got 'em outside the front door
1176066;1435212546;trinque;way smaller than these giant watery things, but very tasty
1176067;1435212549;trinque;...and all red
1176068;1435212556;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragaria_vesca
1176069;1435212557;assbot;Fragaria vesca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJrkaW )
1176070;1435212624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81050 @ 0.00041197 = 33.3902 BTC [+] {2} 
1176071;1435212640;mircea_popescu;^vesca aha
1176072;1435212660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: земл�ника
1176073;1435212683;decimation;!up fourhunderdtypes
1176074;1435212710;fourhunderdtypes;i am a little bit of a strawberryfan
1176075;1435212730;mircea_popescu;http://nosuchlabs.com/phuctored << 64!
1176076;1435212733;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJruix )
1176077;1435212743;asciilifeform;and where's the rss thing, aha
1176078;1435212756;asciilifeform;b0rk3d ?
1176079;1435212756;mircea_popescu;guy's busy pimpin'.
1176080;1435212759;asciilifeform;eh.
1176081;1435212795;fourhunderdtypes;buried to the bingo boingos in some boss soil
1176082;1435212827;decimation;vexual: why do you aussies always adopt the most fascist usg fantasies?
1176083;1435212835;mircea_popescu;decimation anyway, why the driver indictment ? seems he wasn't allowed to back out
1176084;1435212845;fourhunderdtypes;i can gine -10 fucks on usg
1176085;1435212857;decimation;no I'm indicting the station controller
1176086;1435212870;decimation;who after-the-fact claimed that she told him to back out
1176087;1435212872;fourhunderdtypes;i forget
1176088;1435212881;fourhunderdtypes;u troll surely
1176089;1435212883;decimation;but nobody seems to remember that
1176090;1435212917;decimation;"Incredibly, the second train?s driver, Connie Conner, proceeded into L?Enfant Plaza even after she heard her counterpart in the train a few hundred feet ahead asking for clearance to reverse course and return to the station. A controller says she twice ordered Ms. Conner to stop her train short of the station; Ms. Conner denies it."
1176091;1435212924;fourhunderdtypes;can u dumb it down a little?
1176092;1435212937;mircea_popescu;ah
1176093;1435212969;decimation;"In a separate debriefing, however, ROCC controller Vale?re White contradicted Conner, saying that she did give that order. ?I go, to 510: ?510, stop your train.? I said it to her twice.?"
1176094;1435213000;fourhunderdtypes;oh, right, yes, we're all drunk all day
1176095;1435213030;fourhunderdtypes;and everything coasts 2 million dollars
1176096;1435213051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00041226 = 13.8107 BTC [+]
1176097;1435213059;fourhunderdtypes;it gets uber cinfusing
1176098;1435213072;decimation;and your construction is shit
1176099;1435213082;fourhunderdtypes;nope
1176100;1435213112;fourhunderdtypes;we miht fail on nukesub, but everything simpler is easy
1176101;1435213120;decimation;but mainly your government seems to want to control the internet
1176102;1435213123;decimation;which is highly amusing
1176103;1435213130;fourhunderdtypes;oh, yeha
1176104;1435213151;fourhunderdtypes;thatll fail
1176105;1435213233;fourhunderdtypes;www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLY1NTe04M fuck republicans
1176106;1435213284;fourhunderdtypes;i want my shit for free
1176107;1435213354;decimation;why would changing australia into a republic change anything important?
1176108;1435213358;fourhunderdtypes;if i dont marry a foreigner, im not a torrorist
1176109;1435213399;fourhunderdtypes;yeah i dunno, i don't vote
1176110;1435213409;decimation;I heard that marrying a white girl is the same as selling an abo gasoline
1176111;1435213416;decimation;http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/712/396/b9a.png
1176112;1435213417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJskeV )
1176113;1435213419;fourhunderdtypes;lol
1176114;1435213557;mircea_popescu;wut, bushwhacker humour not appreciated in the west end ?! WHO KNEW!!!
1176115;1435213577;fourhunderdtypes;hey i could make a ballet
1176116;1435213604;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6v9czop681qg8ft2o1_1280.jpg << i confess the thigh ankle leather wraps are a splendid idea.
1176117;1435213605;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJszqt )
1176118;1435213605;fourhunderdtypes;the morrocan hash is heavy tho
1176119;1435213621;mircea_popescu;s/ankle/wrist/ anyway
1176120;1435213628;*;fourhunderdtypes likes this
1176121;1435213665;cazalla;decimation, i should do a voice over youtube video for that meme
1176122;1435213674;decimation;heh yeah I thought of you
1176123;1435213721;fourhunderdtypes;fuck the meme, see the balet
1176124;1435213762;cazalla;something in this manner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gokBHXc5HaU
1176125;1435213763;assbot;It's called Bitcoin, dad - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJsMKb )
1176126;1435213816;decimation;hehe
1176127;1435213825;fourhunderdtypes;yeah thats well and well, but ...
1176128;1435213849;mircea_popescu;!up chewie_
1176129;1435214081;chewie_;!up
1176130;1435214261;fourhunderdtypes;mmm goat
1176131;1435214332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00041226 = 3.7722 BTC [+]
1176132;1435214397;fourhunderdtypes;"  of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made. " < this mustbe in my ballet
1176133;1435214680;punkman;!up eatinstrawberry
1176134;1435214683;punkman;http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-court-california-raisins-20150623-story.html
1176135;1435214684;assbot;High court rules against raisin board in dispute over setting aside crops to prop up prices - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJtMhm )
1176136;1435215259;cazalla;eatinstrawberry, ya having a few drinks there vexual?
1176137;1435215301;eatinstrawberry;never
1176138;1435215368;cazalla;while eating muh chicken wings for lunch, i was tempted to go and get some rum but i fell asleep instead.. change of heart once i woke up
1176139;1435215392;eatinstrawberry;oh noes
1176140;1435215401;eatinstrawberry;u felloff the wagns?
1176141;1435215432;mircea_popescu;anbd in today's installment we find that online ad networks are positively fucking insane. the kabuki seems to be, "we serve up some html heavy pages of random nouns and you sign up".
1176142;1435215433;cazalla;nah, still sober (3 1/2 weeks)
1176143;1435215453;mircea_popescu;let aloine the "do you motherfuckers take bitcoin" point, no specs are offered whatsoever. i can't see what fucking sites they run
1176144;1435215481;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would i care to deal with such idiots ? if they had the golden goose, why would i ? they don';t know enough about selling to sell me on their own fucking salesmanship already
1176145;1435215486;eatinstrawberry;u take bitcoin right?
1176146;1435215491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.0004067 = 11.1843 BTC [-]
1176147;1435215492;cazalla;mircea_popescu, you can take the boy out of romania...
1176148;1435215503;mircea_popescu;button, "advertisers" spawns " Overview Audiences Engagement Performance"
1176149;1435215507;mircea_popescu;what the motherfucking hell is this ?!
1176150;1435215516;mircea_popescu;http://exponential.com/advertisers-overview/ << what the shit ?
1176151;1435215517;assbot;For Advertisers - Exponential ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJulaZ )
1176152;1435215523;eatinstrawberry;lol
1176153;1435215531;mircea_popescu;they keep changing names every thirty weeks too, like any internet scammer.
1176154;1435215550;cazalla;eatinstrawberry, try and use "romanian" and "paypal" in a legitimate sentence lol
1176155;1435215571;eatinstrawberry;fucking easy
1176156;1435215582;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know i had an account for a decade +, which ~I~ closed ?
1176157;1435215592;mircea_popescu;business verified, the works.
1176158;1435215595;eatinstrawberry;ive got overt varieties
1176159;1435215630;cazalla;yeah i know where to buy those too :P
1176160;1435215641;mircea_popescu;heck, i'm on the record buying bitcoins with it.
1176161;1435215656;mircea_popescu;how about that. find someone who can buy btc with paypal eh.
1176162;1435215673;cazalla;from someone in your wot?
1176163;1435215693;eatinstrawberry;shall i count to 100?
1176164;1435215728;mircea_popescu;!gettrust rammerhammer mircea_popescu
1176165;1435215728;assbot;Trust relationship from user rammerhammer to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=rammerhammer&to=mircea_popescu | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/
1176166;1435215731;cazalla;the amusing part about this, to me anyway, is that /r/bitcoin often promotes bitcoin for use in such countries because of paypal's antics
1176167;1435215763;mircea_popescu;the funny thing to me is that the general internet population assumes nationality = residence.
1176168;1435215771;mircea_popescu;lulz of all time. peasants online.
1176169;1435215775;mircea_popescu;!up fromphuctor
1176170;1435215800;cazalla;on basis i have never left the shores of australia.. i reluctantly agree
1176171;1435215811;eatinstrawberry;whaa?
1176172;1435215826;mircea_popescu;"Maximize your unsold inventory" herp.
1176173;1435215844;mircea_popescu;pulsepoint doesn't even load.
1176174;1435215860;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck the world's coming to an end over here. nobody seems to be doing any work anymore.
1176175;1435215910;fromphuctor;hello
1176176;1435215921;fromphuctor;do I have a voice?
1176177;1435215931;mircea_popescu;"Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street"
1176178;1435215938;cazalla;also amusing they related a bitcoin transaction with fraud when it is really the antithesis to that sorta thing (except humble bundle who rumour is got carded big time for gaming codes using coinbase)
1176179;1435215943;mircea_popescu;yes. what did you want to say fromphuctor ?
1176180;1435215945;eatinstrawberry;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT5AQIlmM0I
1176181;1435215946;assbot;Flight of the Conchords Ep2 She's So Hot - Boom - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJuDP6 )
1176182;1435215963;eatinstrawberry;fuck i got assbot
1176183;1435215985;fromphuctor;I'm unable to submit my GPG key online to Phuctor
1176184;1435215986;mircea_popescu;cazalla yes, very amusing how the stupid brain doesn't merely fail to work, but manages to work contrary t osense. you'd think this has to be engineered, but apparently iot comes naturally
1176185;1435215990;mircea_popescu;out of bad strawberries.
1176186;1435216006;fromphuctor;it's an as-of-yet unpublished GPG key because I wanted to make sure it's not easily factorable
1176187;1435216026;fromphuctor;it's quite a large key with a few subkeys, total upload size is around 13K
1176188;1435216027;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor well atm it's working through a lengthy list of keys already extant on the sks servers.
1176189;1435216035;mircea_popescu;so what's it say ?
1176190;1435216044;fromphuctor;HTTP 500
1176191;1435216061;mircea_popescu;insist a few times
1176192;1435216085;fromphuctor;okay, I'll keep sending
1176193;1435216102;fromphuctor;I figured it was either failing due to the key being too large or due to it not being published anywhere
1176194;1435216122;mircea_popescu;it's most likely failure due to the fact that the apache bit is last in line at the cpu through
1176195;1435216124;fromphuctor;so it's most likely that phuctor's just too loaded right now?
1176196;1435216132;fromphuctor;gotcha
1176197;1435216139;mircea_popescu;it's been too loaded for months as it cuts through millions of 'em
1176198;1435216161;fromphuctor;is there code I can run locally to attempt to factor it and save Phuctor's CPU time?
1176199;1435216176;mircea_popescu;well, an implementation of gcd is what you need, and the P
1176200;1435216181;mircea_popescu;which is like half a gig by now iirc
1176201;1435216207;fromphuctor;gcd as in the math function? does it exist in a binary?
1176202;1435216227;fromphuctor;and do I need P if I don't particularly care about collisions?
1176203;1435216232;mircea_popescu;uh
1176204;1435216242;mircea_popescu;ok, you've winded me.
1176205;1435216254;fromphuctor;sorry :-|
1176206;1435216255;eatinstrawberry;who?
1176207;1435216278;mircea_popescu;a) if you're looking for binaries it's unlikely your key is your weak point ; b) gcd is an algorithm, i guess you could call it a function. "greatest common divisor" ; c) P is at the core of this, as it looks for MUTUAL divisors
1176208;1435216301;fromphuctor;I'm mainly trying to determine if I have generated a key with bad entropy leading to bad primes meaning easy factorability
1176209;1435216305;mircea_popescu;you could run a probabilistic test on your own machine for your own modulus. if you have a good rng this usually woirks,
1176210;1435216309;mircea_popescu;but it's what gpg does anyway
1176211;1435216328;fromphuctor;so Phuctor's main advantage is that it retains the information it has gained by going through all the other keys?
1176212;1435216334;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1176213;1435216339;fromphuctor;gotcha
1176214;1435216345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00041514 = 12.4542 BTC [+] {4} 
1176215;1435216355;fromphuctor;so I don't gain much by just running it locally without P
1176216;1435216377;mircea_popescu;well, again, gpg has a probabilistic test for primality baked in.
1176217;1435216388;mircea_popescu;but nothing keeps you from simplytrying to factor your own modulus on your own machine
1176218;1435216440;mircea_popescu;you could not use gcd for this, however, as gcd is an algorithm to find shared factors, not simply factors. you'd have to have something to compare against.
1176219;1435216442;fromphuctor;alright, sleeves need to be rolled up. I'll probably have to dig into ASN.1, extract the public keys, and then try factoring them with a kludged together Python script
1176220;1435216458;mircea_popescu;!s pgpdump
1176221;1435216459;assbot;8 results for 'pgpdump' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pgpdump
1176222;1435216471;fromphuctor;better, nice
1176223;1435216493;fromphuctor;in the meantime, I'll probably script something that sends my file to Phuctor repeatedly until I stop getting an error.
1176224;1435216502;fromphuctor;provided that doesn't get me flagged.
1176225;1435216509;mircea_popescu;jsut send it a few times, eh.
1176226;1435216533;fromphuctor;until I stop getting 500
1176227;1435216559;cazalla;!up eatinstrawberry
1176228;1435216772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140250 @ 0.00040365 = 56.6119 BTC [-] {2} 
1176229;1435216813;fromphuctor;thanks for the pointers in the right direction, have a great day
1176230;1435216833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22057 @ 0.000402 = 8.8669 BTC [-]
1176231;1435218335;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175887 <<< i might be uncultured swine but i've never understood the appeal of the opera house.. i'd demolish it if i had my way
1176232;1435218335;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 05:28:25; decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
1176233;1435218363;cazalla;this extends as far back as school excursions to the stupid fucking place
1176234;1435218785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68993 @ 0.00041038 = 28.3133 BTC [+] {2} 
1176235;1435218846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17061 @ 0.00039921 = 6.8109 BTC [-] {3} 
1176236;1435219883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15044 @ 0.00041498 = 6.243 BTC [+]
1176237;1435219945;*;mircea_popescu enjoys opera
1176238;1435219952;mircea_popescu;hard to find these days tho. lotta crap.
1176239;1435220218;davout;+1 to opera
1176240;1435220676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00042927 = 27.1943 BTC [+] {3} 
1176241;1435220737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00043133 = 7.7208 BTC [+]
1176242;1435220798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.0004139 = 42.342 BTC [-] {2} 
1176243;1435220857;cazalla;i've never known anyone to go to the sydney opera house for opera, not so sure they even have such things on a reg occurance, more bands, abo dance, international acts sorta thing
1176244;1435220931;cazalla;in other australian news - http://i.imgur.com/fw7Fq8z.png - aussie government welfare app #22, they must be quite happy with that
1176245;1435220932;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eIAzyT )
1176246;1435221101;mircea_popescu;better than pool
1176247;1435221104;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176185 <<< you actually finished them off? bit shocked tbh
1176248;1435221104;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 07:06:30; mircea_popescu: out of bad strawberries.
1176249;1435221125;cazalla;ya should've had kramer take it back
1176250;1435221136;mircea_popescu;"it comes naturally...out of bad strawberries."
1176251;1435221286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00043133 = 26.6131 BTC [+]
1176252;1435221805;cazalla;tried growing em one year but possums got to em
1176253;1435221840;cazalla;some japanese variety, forget the name
1176254;1435222445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30806 @ 0.00041208 = 12.6945 BTC [-]
1176255;1435222506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31294 @ 0.00040132 = 12.5589 BTC [-]
1176256;1435222575;shinohai;Good morning, #b-a. If there is a gpg expert here that has a moment to spare I have a question.
1176257;1435222727;davout;shinohai: just ask
1176258;1435222758;shinohai;I am reserching methods of making a larger key and found this: http://teravice.com/wp/index.php/2014/01/22/create-large-gnupg-keys-step-by-step-2/
1176259;1435222760;assbot;Create large GnuPG Keys Step by Step Part 1 (8192 to 16384 bits long) | Technology is in our lives… ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhMu5f )
1176260;1435222773;shinohai;So my question is, is this accurate information?
1176261;1435222811;shinohai;I certainly don't want to do anything that compromises the security f my key intentionally.
1176262;1435222828;davout;shinohai: looks like it would work
1176263;1435222865;davout;except it's probably pointless
1176264;1435222872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00041889 = 6.1786 BTC [+]
1176265;1435222908;shinohai;M'kay
1176266;1435222911;davout;also it's weird that this isn't some sort of constant
1176267;1435222936;davout;if you need to change the code in two places to change a single scalar
1176268;1435222946;mircea_popescu;there is no serious benefit offered by a key larger than 4096. for one thing, we don't currently have any reason to believe even 2k keys can actually be factored.
1176269;1435222962;mircea_popescu;fore the other, at that level it would doubtlessly be cheaper to crack the symmetric cypher involved
1176270;1435222981;davout;that remains to be demonstrated
1176271;1435223016;davout;shinohai: and even if it was more secure you'd still message counter parties with keys that are smaller than yours
1176272;1435223027;mircea_popescu;what, that blowfish or whatever dies before 4096 rsa ?
1176273;1435223050;davout;isn't aes the symmetric cipher used by GPG?
1176274;1435223069;mircea_popescu;you can pick out of a list.
1176275;1435223116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94417 @ 0.00041889 = 39.5503 BTC [+] {2} 
1176276;1435223127;davout;if the symmetric cipher security isn't based on the intractability of factoring large numbers you can't really tell which one will be broken before the other
1176277;1435223202;shinohai;Thanks guy. So until such a time that RSA 4096 is broken, we're still quite safe.
1176278;1435223292;davout;there's a difference between a key size being considered insecure and an algorithm being broken
1176279;1435223319;mircea_popescu;quite.
1176280;1435223322;davout;if we find an efficient algorithm for factoring large numbers we can also kiss RSA 8192 good bye
1176281;1435223330;shinohai;O.o
1176282;1435223346;mircea_popescu;that's basically the idea here. 4k is large enough, 8k doesn't improve anything.
1176283;1435223351;davout;and hand around one-time pads at conferences
1176284;1435223369;mircea_popescu;anyway, im off. laters!
1176285;1435223412;shinohai;o/
1176286;1435223441;shinohai;Thanks for your help again! I'm akways trying to learn and not make terrible noob mistakes.
1176287;1435223448;shinohai;At least not constantly.
1176288;1435223494;davout;shinohai: if you want to improve your crypto skills do the matasano challenges
1176289;1435223505;davout;http://cryptopals.com/
1176290;1435223506;assbot;The Matasano Crypto Challenges ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhNaYo )
1176291;1435223545;shinohai;That looks interesting, bookmarked.
1176292;1435223909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00041746 = 22.0836 BTC [-]
1176293;1435224277;shinohai;https://youtu.be/RJm3cRRvPoM   <<< just wow.
1176294;1435224278;assbot;Selling a 10 oz Silver Bar for $10 (When It's Worth $160) - EXPERIMENT - - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fE7aWR )
1176295;1435224317;shinohai;Why yes, you *can* have my cup of ramen noodles.
1176296;1435225068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 89 @ 0.01234224 = 1.0985 BTC [-] {5} 
1176297;1435226067;cazalla;shinohai, did ya know mark dice is A) major clickbait faggot B) goes around offering gold coins and silver bars really cheap but when someone tries to take him up on the offer, he refuses and just edits the footage so as not to include it
1176298;1435226225;shinohai;I did not know that cazalla though he struck me as kind of a douche.
1176299;1435226324;cazalla;he was a protege of alex jones but got all butt hurt and so pretty much copies everything that loon does
1176300;1435226342;shinohai;If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault.
1176301;1435230375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14411 @ 0.00039477 = 5.689 BTC [-]
1176302;1435230863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62000 @ 0.00039483 = 24.4795 BTC [+]
1176303;1435231229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9256 @ 0.00039477 = 3.654 BTC [-]
1176304;1435231900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105850 @ 0.00039347 = 41.6488 BTC [-] {3} 
1176305;1435233486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98852 @ 0.0003927 = 38.8192 BTC [-] {3} 
1176306;1435233791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00039262 = 25.0295 BTC [-]
1176307;1435233974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33157 @ 0.00039483 = 13.0914 BTC [+]
1176308;1435234645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00039253 = 24.4939 BTC [-] {2} 
1176309;1435234706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39752 @ 0.00039483 = 15.6953 BTC [+]
1176310;1435235926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00039483 = 4.659 BTC [+]
1176311;1435237329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00039483 = 10.7591 BTC [+]
1176312;1435237342;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/S4ndtvH.gif
1176313;1435237343;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NexiCm )
1176314;1435237390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25006 @ 0.00039483 = 9.8731 BTC [+]
1176315;1435237878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25968 @ 0.0003924 = 10.1898 BTC [-] {2} 
1176316;1435237940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7132 @ 0.00039157 = 2.7927 BTC [-] {2} 
1176317;1435238366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7540 @ 0.00039146 = 2.9516 BTC [-]
1176318;1435238488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00039146 = 6.3808 BTC [-]
1176319;1435239037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16416 @ 0.00039483 = 6.4815 BTC [+]
1176320;1435240299;punkman;!up Anduck
1176321;1435240303;Anduck;thanks
1176322;1435240312;Anduck;ok well, anyone know how to verify deedbot.org deeds?
1176323;1435240322;Anduck;there's no documentation about that.
1176324;1435240328;Anduck;no code either
1176325;1435240359;punkman;I think you just gotta SHA256 the deed bundle and use that as the private exponent
1176326;1435240411;Anduck;hmm, seems to work. thanks!
1176327;1435240581;punkman;http://www.cnbc.com/id/102784968
1176328;1435240583;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QREQB1 )
1176329;1435240654;punkman;"Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the  $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too."
1176330;1435240789;punkman;"please show your support by joining our Virtual March to the White House, using the hashtag #DearMrPresident."
1176331;1435240798;punkman;oh they got virtual marches nao
1176332;1435240809;punkman;because too fat to walk
1176333;1435240989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00039146 = 10.2954 BTC [-]
1176334;1435241477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15915 @ 0.00039468 = 6.2813 BTC [+] {2} 
1176335;1435242013;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya
1176336;1435242013;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:11:52; williamdunne: Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg
1176337;1435242392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00039146 = 11.0587 BTC [-]
1176338;1435242532;chetty;scotuscare lives :/
1176339;1435242811;shinohai;America the beautiful: http://www.biebuzz.com/2015/06/a-man-from-alabama-has-been-charged.html
1176340;1435242812;assbot;A man from Alabama has been charged with sexually harassing a dog as he sought to get revenge on his wife who was giving it too much attention.        |         BieBuzz ... ( http://bit.ly/1BDxEkX )
1176341;1435243002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19863 @ 0.00039483 = 7.8425 BTC [+]
1176342;1435243429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00039483 = 8.1335 BTC [+]
1176343;1435243490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25669 @ 0.00039126 = 10.0433 BTC [-] {2} 
1176344;1435245927;decimation;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-usa-court-healthcare-idUSKBN0P51V220150625 < ""Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them," Roberts wrote in the court's decision, adding that nationwide availability of the credits is required to "avoid the type of calamitous result that Congress plainly meant to avoid.""
1176345;1435245928;assbot;      U.S. Supreme Court upholds key Obamacare insurance subsidies| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cw36Nc )
1176346;1435245930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00039083 = 4.8658 BTC [-]
1176347;1435245937;decimation;people have hanged for the letter of the law
1176348;1435246112;decimation;it's a colossal joke that this ruling gets handed down by the king's judges, in the 800th year of the magna carta - which itself was a joke and used as propaganda
1176349;1435246113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00039483 = 6.7713 BTC [+]
1176350;1435246296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16970 @ 0.00039517 = 6.706 BTC [+] {2} 
1176351;1435246357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00039898 = 6.7827 BTC [+]
1176352;1435246662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00039956 = 4.555 BTC [+]
1176353;1435247518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.17692587 = 1.5923 BTC [-] {2} 
1176354;1435247577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00040389 = 4.6447 BTC [+]
1176355;1435247699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.16749 = 1.5074 BTC [-] {3} 
1176356;1435247701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.17692587 = 1.2385 BTC [-] {4} 
1176357;1435248129;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: https://imgur.com/a/WjQbx
1176358;1435248130;assbot;                    Bitcoffee, Buenos Aires, Argentina - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1TP3dhJ )
1176359;1435248828;shinohai;"El cafe que te vuelve inteligente" <<< I drink, I get smart
1176360;1435249163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00040389 = 8.0778 BTC [+]
1176361;1435250908;mats;not quite
1176362;1435250992;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i think i had a cup there with mthreat coupla weeks ago. coffee's not bad
1176363;1435251013;fluffypony;very cool
1176364;1435251117;mircea_popescu;silver down to 16 huh ? where is that guy came in here was an expert that hadn't been wrong in a decade knew for usre silver's going up ?
1176365;1435251205;mats;;;seen badon
1176366;1435251206;gribble;badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <badon> hi punkman
1176367;1435251420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00039964 = 10.6704 BTC [-] {2} 
1176368;1435251532;mircea_popescu;i guess it's gonna go up eventually.
1176369;1435251551;mircea_popescu;provided silverware comes into fashion with the chinese middle class or something
1176370;1435251595;mircea_popescu;<shinohai> If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault. << over a hundred bux ? what are you, bugsy ?
1176371;1435251664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00039956 = 9.2698 BTC [-]
1176372;1435251732;*;asciilifeform discovered, during unrelated research, that xilinx's 'coolrunner' cpld series - a very simple programmable logic gizmo with very homogeneous/regular physical structure - can hold a simple risc cpu...
1176373;1435251767;mats;neat
1176374;1435251787;asciilifeform;z80-style, lacking multiplier & divider
1176375;1435251798;asciilifeform;and scarcely room for barrel shifter
1176376;1435251803;asciilifeform;but cpu, yes
1176377;1435251869;mircea_popescu;he has a point tho. anyone feel like writing up a documentation page for trinque to stick up there ?
1176378;1435251896;mircea_popescu;<punkman> "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the  $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too." << "because they've not done anything worth the mention so perhaps if we do they start ?"
1176379;1435251914;mircea_popescu;<danielpbarron> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills!
1176380;1435251914;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 00:11:52; williamdunne: Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg
1176381;1435252024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well z80 had a multiplier and iirc shifter
1176382;1435252025;asciilifeform;mats: this is a pretty major result, imho. because the cpld products haven't changed in nearly a decade, and their internal structure is extremely regular (no special-purpose blocks)
1176383;1435252032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no multiplier
1176384;1435252035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: go, look
1176385;1435252050;asciilifeform;and iirc had ordinary, not barrel, shifter
1176386;1435252055;mircea_popescu;o.O
1176387;1435252075;asciilifeform;(barrel shifter, named for the characteristic physical shape of the circuit on the die, allows shifting n bits in one clock cycle)
1176388;1435252180;mircea_popescu;http://cpctech.cpc-live.com/docs/mult.html < right you are.
1176389;1435252181;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAu3QK )
1176390;1435252213;mircea_popescu;http://sgate.emt.bme.hu/patai/publications/z80guide/part4.html << considering all the work one has to go through to mult. i dunno, i recalled it had the instruction. i guess memory rots.
1176391;1435252214;assbot;Z80 Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAu9YH )
1176392;1435252259;asciilifeform;everyone forgets the gruntwork, remembers the joy, aha
1176393;1435252349;mircea_popescu;lol
1176394;1435252457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0004022 = 10.5376 BTC [+] {2} 
1176395;1435252594;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla those headphones suck donkey ballz. sound like russian telephone.
1176396;1435252596;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1176397;1435252615;mircea_popescu;russian chocolate good, russian telephone bad mkay!
1176398;1435252631;shinohai;@ mircea_popescu  truth and honesty have a far greater value than anything else. Besides,he has a face like Mark Zuckerberg that you just want to punch for no reason.
1176399;1435252641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'iphone' sounds similar
1176400;1435252670;mircea_popescu;shinohai you mean a... pause... BABY FACE ???
1176401;1435252681;shinohai;>.>
1176402;1435252701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23221 @ 0.00039895 = 9.264 BTC [-] {2} 
1176403;1435252738;asciilifeform;'face like Mark Zuckerberg that you just want to punch for no reason' << we call this 'морда про�ит кирпича' (mug that begs for a brick)
1176404;1435252755;shinohai;I like the Russian idiom
1176405;1435252875;shinohai;My sides: http://redd.it/3b2ajg
1176406;1435252877;assbot;VPS with GUI? : beermoney ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPf3IH )
1176407;1435252901;mircea_popescu;"fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping
1176408;1435252924;asciilifeform;betcha even pygmies have this phrase
1176409;1435252928;asciilifeform;even eskimo
1176410;1435252935;shinohai;Is that Romanian ?
1176411;1435252977;mircea_popescu;~92 Online Moneymakers
1176412;1435252988;mircea_popescu;heh. advertising, amirite ?
1176413;1435253014;shinohai;I see little point in running a VPS to make $20 in Amazon giftcards
1176414;1435253050;shinohai;But, to each his own.
1176415;1435253311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34421 @ 0.00039402 = 13.5626 BTC [-] {2} 
1176416;1435253399;kakobrekla;asciilifeform which, superlux ?
1176417;1435253409;asciilifeform;aha
1176418;1435253417;kakobrekla;amplified?
1176419;1435253448;asciilifeform;sound card
1176420;1435253455;kakobrekla;doh
1176421;1435253462;asciilifeform;why?
1176422;1435253468;asciilifeform;what does kakobrekla connect them to ?
1176423;1435253494;kakobrekla;integrated amp
1176424;1435253502;asciilifeform;integrated into what?
1176425;1435253540;kakobrekla;its what amp+preamp is called, comes with volume control and input selector
1176426;1435253566;asciilifeform;thing is, sound card is precisely how loud i want them
1176427;1435253581;kakobrekla;its not about loudness
1176428;1435253605;kakobrekla;this is what they are plugged into http://www.hifiengine.com/images/model/denon_pma-350se_stereo_integrated_amplifier.jpg
1176429;1435253617;kakobrekla;bought it 10 years ago
1176430;1435253621;asciilifeform;let me guess - they aren't standard impedance ?
1176431;1435253631;kakobrekla;64 iirc
1176432;1435253641;kakobrekla;but thats china spec
1176433;1435253645;kakobrekla;god knows really
1176434;1435253672;kakobrekla;even so, the impedance is not fixed through the freq response
1176435;1435253677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040389 = 2.7465 BTC [+]
1176436;1435253677;kakobrekla;so whatever
1176437;1435253680;asciilifeform;comparing with bog-standard 'bose qc15' which ~don't~ sound like russian telephone
1176438;1435253686;asciilifeform;without any weird amp box
1176439;1435253724;asciilifeform;everyone loves to piss on that vendor but who, precisely, else, makes usable headphone.
1176440;1435253725;kakobrekla;that comparison i was making with sennheiser hd 595 and hd 650 was on 10k source+preamp
1176441;1435253749;kakobrekla;overall superlux won.
1176442;1435253792;asciilifeform;even the earpads on the 'superlux' feel terrible - no sweat pores; rather like a public bus seat
1176443;1435253804;kakobrekla;yeah, i paid 7$ to get the 'velour' ones
1176444;1435253808;kakobrekla;or whatever that thing is
1176445;1435253834;kakobrekla;i dont know how some people dont mind that plastic, its horrible.
1176446;1435253922;asciilifeform;i'm told that in usa folks in prison get headphones. and now i imagine i know what kind.
1176447;1435253953;kakobrekla;anyway, if you have a chance to at least try them semi properly driven, please do.
1176448;1435253979;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: is that a vacuum valve amp ?
1176449;1435253983;kakobrekla;no
1176450;1435254020;*;asciilifeform has a supply of vacuum valves, scavenged from ancient tv sets, has contemplated building amp. but this will happen - if happens - after the war.
1176451;1435254041;shinohai;@ asciilifeform you can build a vaccum amp O.o
1176452;1435254043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14507 @ 0.00039022 = 5.6609 BTC [-] {2} 
1176453;1435254074;kakobrekla;its easier than doing it solid state
1176454;1435254096;asciilifeform;would have to obtain sockets. and clean +100 dc..
1176455;1435254099;shinohai;I used to play guitar. I never liked solid state amps
1176456;1435254161;asciilifeform;http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A2%D1%91%D0%BF%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%BA << obligatory
1176457;1435254163;assbot;Тёплый ламповый звук — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPikaT )
1176458;1435254167;asciilifeform;'warm lamp sound'
1176459;1435254169;asciilifeform;(meme)
1176460;1435254192;asciilifeform;mega-popular taunt in ru sphere, applied to various 'voodoo'
1176461;1435254226;kakobrekla;i have a tube powered dac but my main power amp sits at 40kg of solid state
1176462;1435254241;asciilifeform;tube dac ?!
1176463;1435254246;asciilifeform;as in, 16 bits of tube ?
1176464;1435254252;kakobrekla;no
1176465;1435254288;kakobrekla;its a sigma delta , yes not even r2r but theres a rectifier and two output tubes
1176466;1435254306;asciilifeform;iirc someone even sells a pc mobo with lamps
1176467;1435254310;asciilifeform;(for preamp)
1176468;1435254333;asciilifeform;http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tubesound.jpg << there it is!
1176469;1435254334;assbot;Файл:Tubesound.jpg — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPiQFV )
1176470;1435254365;*;shinohai wants to learn Russian so badly.
1176471;1435254372;kakobrekla;heres a pic http://www.computeraudiophile.com/attachments/f8-general-forum/635d1338219955-logitech-transporter-back-good-modwrighttransporter1.jpg
1176472;1435254374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPiX4n )
1176473;1435254394;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: what are the antennae for ?
1176474;1435254400;kakobrekla;wifi if you like
1176475;1435254404;asciilifeform;l0l
1176476;1435254431;kakobrekla;it streams flac from the server
1176477;1435254469;kakobrekla;so thats bout 2k albums at the touch of a button, convenient.
1176478;1435254483;kakobrekla;(as for the remote, you can actually ssh into it)
1176479;1435254486;shinohai;I saw a Samsung tube amp wifi receiver for a home theater once
1176480;1435254499;shinohai;I didn't know anyone still made them.
1176481;1435254500;kakobrekla;most of the sw is opensource btw.
1176482;1435254507;asciilifeform;most?!
1176483;1435254553;kakobrekla;perhaps even all, havent checked.
1176484;1435254562;kakobrekla;this runs on secondary network btw.
1176485;1435254645;kakobrekla;<asciilifeform> most?! < quite sure you dont get specs for arm runnin inside it and so on
1176486;1435254672;kakobrekla;so, secondary network or stick with vinyl
1176487;1435254684;asciilifeform;shinohai: go, learn. whatchawaitingfor.
1176488;1435254733;shinohai;Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city.
1176489;1435254764;shinohai;I have put out ads for 2 years offering to hire a language tutor.
1176490;1435254787;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out, bitcoind 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed.
1176491;1435254787;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1176492;1435254837;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: i just don't get this 'let's use same name & versions as the fools did' thing. when we build martian city, will we name it 'washington' or 'pyongyang' ?! why?
1176493;1435254913;mats;pimsleur, rosetta stone, duolingo. your tutors await.
1176494;1435255295;kakobrekla;hehe the foundation has same name, wai not versions
1176495;1435255345;*;kakobrekla just bitching at the unrecognizability of the f name
1176496;1435255465;decimation;kakobrekla: so the sigma-delta is implented with tube or does it merely use tube as output amplifier?
1176497;1435255481;decimation;or active filter?
1176498;1435255520;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros.
1176499;1435255643;kakobrekla;decimation as far as i can tell tubes are there as output buffer, feeding of sigma delta dac
1176500;1435255659;decimation;okay, interesting
1176501;1435255662;kakobrekla;the device originally came w/o the tube, the mod was an aftermarket thing
1176502;1435255686;kakobrekla;http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/modwright3/transporter.html
1176503;1435255687;assbot;403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPmdwv )
1176504;1435255691;decimation;I think for most cases there is almost no difference
1176505;1435255731;decimation;but if you are clipping or have momentarily large signal, the behavior in the 'non-linear' domain of the amplifier will be different between tubes and transistors
1176506;1435255755;decimation;I've been told (haven't experimented) that tubs tend to create even harmonics while transistors odd, when driven to near saturation
1176507;1435255770;kakobrekla;yeah theres a thing with harmonics
1176508;1435255852;decimation;I suspect the difference would be most noticable if you were using it as a guitar amp and then driving the thing to distort
1176509;1435255866;kakobrekla;since you mention ss, i tried solid state rectifier replacement instead of tube rectifier. it was a mega fail.
1176510;1435255914;decimation;as in, power rectifier?
1176511;1435255918;kakobrekla;yes!
1176512;1435255928;decimation;umm, use diode?
1176513;1435255961;kakobrekla;i assume thats in the ss replacement
1176514;1435255968;kakobrekla;havent opened it tho
1176515;1435255976;kakobrekla;i can now, since its crap.
1176516;1435255993;decimation;how did it fail? buzzing or spurious signals?
1176517;1435256062;kakobrekla;the sound became unpleasant to listen to, harsh, loss in detail and huge loss in soundstage
1176518;1435256109;kakobrekla;i was expecting it to beat all other tube rectifiers i have
1176519;1435256124;decimation;interesting
1176520;1435256125;kakobrekla;because technically its better.
1176521;1435256178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00040397 = 7.1099 BTC [+] {2} 
1176522;1435257398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039667 = 9.9168 BTC [-]
1176523;1435258073;mod6;asciilifeform: ... 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed << that's weird. I did check the bitcoin git tag list, 0.5.4 isn't in there.  Where do you see 0.5.4?
1176524;1435258136;asciilifeform;mod6: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-notes/release-notes-0.5.4.md
1176525;1435258137;assbot;bitcoin/release-notes-0.5.4.md at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmcECg )
1176526;1435258192;mod6;huh
1176527;1435258205;kakobrekla;early 2014. year and a half, feels like ages.
1176528;1435258275;asciilifeform;0.5.4 is much older
1176529;1435258282;asciilifeform;2014 is the timestamp on the ~dir~
1176530;1435258297;kakobrekla;aha
1176531;1435258306;asciilifeform;.. or is it
1176532;1435258307;mod6;maybe they never actually created a release out of that?  I see no tags for 0.5.4 or 0.5.5
1176533;1435258308;asciilifeform;hm
1176534;1435258379;mod6;I don't see it in "Releases" either, but there isn't a v0.5.3 in there either.
1176535;1435258382;mod6;lol
1176536;1435258391;mod6;oh yeah there is, nvm, im blind
1176537;1435258405;mod6;it's out of order a bit
1176538;1435258414;asciilifeform;https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MPEx.co << new l0ltron
1176539;1435258415;assbot;Wallet MPEx.co [WalletExplorer.com] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmdcrU )
1176540;1435258448;mod6;but yeah, i don't see any release artifact for v0.5.4 or v0.5.5
1176541;1435258460;mod6;maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6?
1176542;1435258462;mod6;who knows.
1176543;1435258802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00039232 = 13.3585 BTC [-] {2} 
1176544;1435258994;asciilifeform;https://www.elliptic.co/anti-money-laundering << usgtron with elaborate graph ad
1176545;1435258997;assbot;Anti-Money Laundering - Elliptic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmebYZ )
1176546;1435259026;asciilifeform;(needs js)
1176547;1435259028;BingoBoingo;<mod6> maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6? << They have been scrubbing the Github of old releases in recent months it seems
1176548;1435259038;mod6;ah
1176549;1435259144;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: perhaps walks around with big sign on ass saying "kick plz"
1176550;1435259156;ben_vulpes;if in tank, nbd
1176551;1435259166;ben_vulpes;if unarmored sapper, perhaps more of a big deal
1176552;1435259179;thestringpuller;mod6: so jeezy is playing tonight downtown in celebration of the 10th anniversary of tm101. and i didn't know about it. i'm half tempted to get 500 cash and go find some ticket scalpers
1176553;1435259191;asciilifeform;what's a tm101 ?
1176554;1435259197;thestringpuller;!b 2
1176555;1435259198;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2R9DXG8.txt )
1176556;1435259283;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6211 << also lulzy. phoundation regards 'buildable with classic gcc' as a bug !
1176557;1435259284;assbot;RFC: switching to C++ 11 · Issue #6211 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmeItS )
1176558;1435259309;asciilifeform;couldn't make this shit up if i tried.
1176559;1435259312;mod6;asciilifeform: hey btw, I don't think that your patches { turdmeister-alert-snip && goodbye-win32 } ever made it into the email list.
1176560;1435259332;mod6;thestringpuller: nice man!  yeah, that'll definately be a cool show.
1176561;1435259343;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6320 << where they bury their shat-in pants
1176562;1435259344;assbot;Wanted: Mar12Fork.dat · Issue #6320 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmePG7 )
1176563;1435259357;asciilifeform;mod6: pretty sure it's in there
1176564;1435259362;thestringpuller;mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it
1176565;1435259404;asciilifeform;mod6: you're right! those pre-date the turdatron working correctly
1176566;1435259420;asciilifeform;mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs
1176567;1435259421;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmeYt6 )
1176568;1435259430;asciilifeform;(and i think they're also in your auto-build thing)
1176569;1435259478;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6091 << turdalicious bitcoind barfs on mips arch
1176570;1435259479;assbot;bitcoind bus error on MIPS ci20 running debian · Issue #6091 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf43Q )
1176571;1435259485;jurov;http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-25 re: today's morning log
1176572;1435259486;assbot;Dilbert's App Stops Cyber Attack -  Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-06-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf1Fi )
1176573;1435259490;mod6;asciilifeform: hmm, i can't find them.  i've looked probably half-a-dozen times over the last 5 months.  unless its contained in here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html  (attachment.bin)
1176574;1435259491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf2c6 )
1176575;1435259509;*;asciilifeform has a mips ci20 but not tried it for bitcoin, considering its cost it is not a viable successor for 'pogo'
1176576;1435259519;asciilifeform;mod6: see above
1176577;1435259532;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs <<< ooh, ok.
1176578;1435259533;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6J8 )
1176579;1435259535;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html
1176580;1435259536;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6Zy )
1176581;1435259542;asciilifeform;^ there
1176582;1435259546;jurov;^ i see rm_rf_upnp there
1176583;1435259564;asciilifeform;win32 - missing
1176584;1435259566;asciilifeform;hm
1176585;1435259571;mod6;yeah i added the tarballs right in website myself... just was curious that i never saw the emails.
1176586;1435259590;kakobrekla;<< usgtron with elaborate graph ad < meh i checked the yellow dots but there is everybody but bitbet. even jurovs coinroll is there
1176587;1435259660;mod6;yeah, as far as the version number, in hindsight; going forward, we should probably keep all version bumps in it's own patch incase something changes. i.e. your latest IRC Full Demolition Patch.
1176588;1435259678;asciilifeform;mod6: aha
1176589;1435259681;asciilifeform;good point
1176590;1435259699;asciilifeform;i'll sign an identical patch sans the bump if anyone needs this.
1176591;1435259741;mod6;if we do anything else other than 5.4, that'd probably be good cause otherwise we'll hvae to patch your patch. :]
1176592;1435259746;*;kakobrekla blames the css
1176593;1435259792;mod6;<+thestringpuller> mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it << just throw it on your mp3 player and start hustlin'
1176594;1435259841;mod6;im about to turn it on myself. lol.
1176595;1435259863;trinque;thestringpuller: now you've got me listening to young jeezy over here
1176596;1435259924;kakobrekla;isnt that puberty music?
1176597;1435259937;trinque;you're puberty music
1176598;1435259946;trinque;(yeah, it probably is)
1176599;1435259960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36844 @ 0.00040177 = 14.8028 BTC [-] {2} 
1176600;1435260208;mod6;so we've talked about the versioning quite a bit since October.  The deal is, if we talk about nothing other than just the format ( X.X.X.X ), we know that we'll have to change much more code than just one line to give it a new version number, as there is a bunch of stuff in there that is used to parse this value.
1176601;1435260260;asciilifeform;imho it ought to be distinguishable from shitgnomatic bitcoin with the naked eye, incl. in survey charts like the one linked a few days ago
1176602;1435260262;mod6;And if we wanna call it version 69.69.69.69 then there was some sort of concerns here surrounding weather or not we'd be able to connect to other nodes.  I'd have to go back and look and dig through the code a bit though, I can't recall it all off hand.
1176603;1435260270;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu seems to disagree. ask'im why
1176604;1435260315;mod6;well, my concerns were of a technical nature anyway.
1176605;1435260392;mod6;we could try some other version like 1.0.0.0 and see what happens i guess.
1176606;1435260402;mod6;I don't think that's ever been attempted iirc.
1176607;1435260402;asciilifeform;worth a test
1176608;1435260452;asciilifeform;unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ?
1176609;1435260454;thestringpuller;mod6: thank you! tm101 is blastin in my headphones
1176610;1435260466;mod6;yeeeeeah
1176611;1435260476;asciilifeform;afaik this is the last 'blank cheque' left in the skull'n'crossbones version of therealbitcoin
1176612;1435260480;asciilifeform;it needs to go.
1176613;1435260512;asciilifeform;unbounded data structure on a finite machine is retarded
1176614;1435260514;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: but what about the instant stuff like green addres?!?!?!?
1176615;1435260516;asciilifeform;(news at 11!)
1176616;1435260556;asciilifeform;waiwut
1176617;1435260569;asciilifeform;the ancient discredited retardation?
1176618;1435260573;asciilifeform;or some other 'green address'
1176619;1435260601;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how would you cap it? anything below some transaction fee is purged from mempool when gets greater than N-mb?
1176620;1435260609;mod6;<+asciilifeform> unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ? << not me yet. there's a laundry list of stuff to get through yet.
1176621;1435260613;mod6;this is a good idea though.
1176622;1435260627;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: right now it is 'capped' by the ram installed on your box...
1176623;1435260634;asciilifeform;this is lunacy
1176624;1435260644;mod6;im currenty building a new AMI for gentoo so I/we can test wtf is going on in there with gcc/uclibc.  I should be done with that in a few hours.
1176625;1435260658;thestringpuller;i know but how would mempool be effectively capped so nodes don't purge "important" tx's if people spam network
1176626;1435260676;mod6;Then I'm gonna need to cut away from working on that on Saturday afternoonish at the latest to work on the SoBA -- which is looking to be lengthy for this month.
1176627;1435260703;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: shooting the tx orphanage in the head rid us of the most obvious spam vector
1176628;1435260711;asciilifeform;a sp4mz0r would have to spam with ~realistic~ tx
1176629;1435260719;asciilifeform;that is, valid sig, and depending on existing block
1176630;1435260765;asciilifeform;as i understand, they'd more or less have to be attempted doublespends
1176631;1435260814;asciilifeform;it is important to remember that there is no 'important' tx from the point of view of the network
1176632;1435260818;asciilifeform;only valid and invalid
1176633;1435260819;*;mircea_popescu waves
1176634;1435260825;mircea_popescu;o hai briggle!
1176635;1435260859;asciilifeform;there he is.
1176636;1435260958;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: even valid transaction can approach infinity
1176637;1435260978;mircea_popescu;<shinohai> Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city. << so buy a bride. ukr won't be cheap much longer.
1176638;1435260992;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out, bitcoind 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed. << makes exactly 0 difference.
1176639;1435261008;mircea_popescu;and "washington" or "pyongyang" are NOT NUMBERS.
1176640;1435261017;mircea_popescu;four followds three. this is not a function of anyone's idiocy.
1176641;1435261043;mircea_popescu;will you propose ~WE~ change the versioning number when (not if) some OTHER shitgnomes release a faux version downstream ?
1176642;1435261044;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what means 'approach infinity' ? if tx is valid, nondoublespent, and has adequate fee, it is 'every bit as tx' as yours or mine
1176643;1435261069;mircea_popescu;do you expect torvalds to consider what random shitforbrains released as "linux kernel" and go "hey guise we can't use version x.x, anon shitforbrains used it fiorst!!11" ?
1176644;1435261078;mircea_popescu;we.do.not.care. this is because they.do.not.exist.
1176645;1435261099;mircea_popescu;there has been no version of bitcoin released past 0.5.3 ; we are releasing the first one. it's 0.5.4
1176646;1435261102;mircea_popescu;that's all there is to it.
1176647;1435261123;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: if the valid tx's submitted to the network approach a large number that is greater than modest machine's memory capacicty
1176648;1435261135;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i grasp the logic, but notice that we sit in the gigantic spamatronic shadow of the phoundation. if nobody gives a fuck, there isn't much else to be said about this
1176649;1435261137;thestringpuller;which one's get purged?
1176650;1435261151;mircea_popescu;i think you're not particularly qualified to make this call. what shadow ?
1176651;1435261161;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: the present situation is that they ~all~ 'get purged' when your box goes down.
1176652;1435261177;mircea_popescu;is this some sort of "consensus" that they have or something ? again ?
1176653;1435261191;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this i understand. my asking is what are you proposing before machine goes down?
1176654;1435261194;mircea_popescu;plox no more memory holing kthx.
1176655;1435261199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did say 'spamatronic' - i.e. search engine crud.
1176656;1435261213;mircea_popescu;looky here : they live in my shadow.
1176657;1435261224;mircea_popescu;this is an experimentally verified fact.
1176658;1435261238;*;asciilifeform not professional spamatronicist, cannot say whether this makes a difference one way or another
1176659;1435261282;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i don't have a specific proposal except that the machine ~must not go down~
1176660;1435261290;asciilifeform;that scenario is undesirable regardless of what else.
1176661;1435261313;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros. << the problem is that the implication of having a 1 leading version (ie, mature product) is laughable. we don't. hopefully one day we will, but the current offering is not it.
1176662;1435261342;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Mature version can start at 10.
1176663;1435261379;*;asciilifeform grasps mircea_popescu's implication that 'the only winning move' in the decimal-point chase game with shitgnomes is 'not to play'
1176664;1435261403;mircea_popescu;precisely.
1176665;1435261447;mircea_popescu;more deeply : there is exactly ZERO derivative work implied in the bitcoin foundation's releases. we don't use anything they did, for the explicit reason that everything they did is shit, with the furter implication that every man who ever worked for them WASTED THEIR LIFE.
1176666;1435261455;mircea_popescu;this is very important to ber there, plainly spelled out.
1176667;1435261464;asciilifeform;back to the more interesting point, we still have an unbounded data structure in there...
1176668;1435261483;mircea_popescu;because people must at some point come to comprehend that they are responsible , at the very least for their own lives, and that the choices they make come with consequences, and the consequences will NOT negotiate.
1176669;1435261492;mircea_popescu;so no, jwh "i just want to contribute" doth not work irl.
1176670;1435261677;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/
1176671;1435261678;assbot;Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAbORw )
1176672;1435261688;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what i was trying to get across earlier is that the very concept of 'mempool spam' is presently undefined
1176673;1435261697;asciilifeform;who says what tx is 'spam'? god ?
1176674;1435261763;mircea_popescu;actually a switch to create "minimally acceptable /kb subsidy" as a precondition of taking tx into mempool might be useful.
1176675;1435261788;mircea_popescu;even better if the behaviour is dynamic (ie, the minimum only kicks in if the mempool is over 1mb, and selects for optimal fill)
1176676;1435261844;asciilifeform;l0l, before long folks start asking for mempool inclusion fee, for self !?
1176677;1435261848;asciilifeform;(vs to miner)
1176678;1435261848;mircea_popescu;this will give node operators an incentive to present good pools to the network.
1176679;1435261851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00038998 = 13.5128 BTC [-] {2} 
1176680;1435261870;mircea_popescu;there has to be some import of market into mempool functioning.
1176681;1435261876;asciilifeform;this sorta turns mempool into even more of a logical albatross than it already is
1176682;1435261883;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1176683;1435261892;asciilifeform;(why not route tx straight to miners then. why have two classes of mining..?)
1176684;1435261898;mircea_popescu;dude...
1176685;1435261925;mircea_popescu;ask me more questions about what this guy did in his basement. i enjoy the feelings of impotent frustration.
1176686;1435261931;asciilifeform;l0lzies
1176687;1435261962;mircea_popescu;anyway. i think that'd be actually +ev, but just a thought.
1176688;1435262017;asciilifeform;perhaps this will wait for the 'sanity hardfork' of the distant fyootoor.
1176689;1435262026;mircea_popescu;yeh
1176690;1435262057;asciilifeform;but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool
1176691;1435262060;asciilifeform;'to see what happenz'
1176692;1435262097;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm hearing that argument can actually be had in favour of the mempool/minerpool layered implementation.
1176693;1435262121;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool << I think one of the earliest XT "selling points" by Hearnia was this for some SpamFunder called "Lighthouse"
1176694;1435262131;mircea_popescu;specifically : that at the very least it should not be possible for one to fire a missile at any place that scarfs up txn or knows about them and hit a miner.
1176695;1435262139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this has a bit of a recursion problem: how does mempool operator know that he is being paid ?
1176696;1435262146;mircea_popescu;he doesn't.
1176697;1435262148;asciilifeform;the whole notion of a payment is defined in reference to blockchain
1176698;1435262152;mircea_popescu;yes.
1176699;1435262213;asciilifeform;unless i misunderstand, 'fee for mempool inclusion' is... an epicycle.
1176700;1435262220;asciilifeform;in the classical sense.
1176701;1435262258;asciilifeform;how does the operator determine anything whatsoever re: the validity of 'mempool fee' addressed to him ?
1176702;1435262286;asciilifeform;or is he 'running a tab' for folks, and relying on a wotnet ?
1176703;1435262290;asciilifeform;(somehow bolted on)
1176704;1435262310;mircea_popescu;in this way : some mempools, by virtue of being well curated, get to talk first to miners.
1176705;1435262319;mircea_popescu;inclusion in one of these is valuable, and so a private deal can be had.
1176706;1435262320;asciilifeform;so ^ then.
1176707;1435262332;mircea_popescu;allows mempools to be run like a service, much like say a website works.
1176708;1435262342;mircea_popescu;right.
1176709;1435262369;asciilifeform;as i understand, we already have a 'bezzle' in the net - the unmetered resource, 'blank cheque,' of the mempools. as all 'meat in the sun without flies', it is a very ephemeral thing
1176710;1435262369;scoopbot_revived;Eulora third event - Sunday, June 28th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-third-event-sunday-june-28th/
1176711;1435262381;asciilifeform;somehow - it will end.
1176712;1435262403;mircea_popescu;i've been saying for years it's the one vulnerability.
1176713;1435262415;mircea_popescu;no big surprise gavin & gang are attacking it while claiming it';s all about anything else.
1176714;1435262415;asciilifeform;can end in some 'dirty' equilibrium, where everybody's living room is filled to capacity with precisely how many rabid weasels it can hold,
1176715;1435262419;asciilifeform;or somewhere more 'clean.'
1176716;1435262425;asciilifeform;i'd prefer 'clean.'
1176717;1435262429;mircea_popescu;it's not. they want to shoot it in the neck.
1176718;1435262527;asciilifeform;it's the one ~protocol~ vuln, yes
1176719;1435262541;asciilifeform;there are the mechanics vulns of the shit-stack
1176720;1435262552;asciilifeform;(needs no elaboration, everyone here knows more than ever wanted to)
1176721;1435262601;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1176722;1435262687;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6hr99QPZ71rozn8uo1_1280.jpg << wut da fuck nigga!!!1
1176723;1435262689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAei2k )
1176724;1435262704;asciilifeform;mmmhhhmphhfm
1176725;1435262726;shinohai;I imagine there is an unseen strapon somewhere in that image.
1176726;1435262859;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government << is pretty plainly a 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' gambit on usg's part
1176727;1435262860;assbot;Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAeJJW )
1176728;1435262860;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1176729;1435262880;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Gotta document the kick
1176730;1435262893;mircea_popescu;dood gets it.
1176731;1435262903;mircea_popescu;yeah, you gotta document the kick.
1176732;1435262910;mircea_popescu;it's our own "kick the usg till it bites, then shoot it" gambit.
1176733;1435262937;mircea_popescu;Recently agitators in the United States along with officials in various government capacities have been exploiting a recent minor tragedy  << would work without the 2nd recent too
1176734;1435262953;asciilifeform;the 'kick' has been in continuous progression since at least 'bloody kansas incident'
1176735;1435262956;asciilifeform;if not earlier
1176736;1435262970;asciilifeform;and cw1 was the first shot
1176737;1435262983;asciilifeform;dog - still alive (or dogcatcher suspects at any rate)
1176738;1435262988;asciilifeform;2nd shot probably soon.
1176739;1435263018;asciilifeform;(yes, i favour 'cw1', like ww1. the latter had to wait for 'ww2', but why wait to use correct term?)
1176740;1435263020;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ?
1176741;1435263042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was gonna say "why not take it back to civil war" to you, but then i realised what cw1 was.
1176742;1435263049;asciilifeform;aha.
1176743;1435263071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00039201 = 6.1938 BTC [+]
1176744;1435263142;mircea_popescu;Some unnamed genius at the company feels  << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous.
1176745;1435263148;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo call up the corp, ask who did it ?
1176746;1435263157;mircea_popescu;ask who doesn't want to tell you, why don't they want to tell you ?
1176747;1435263159;mircea_popescu;put names in there.
1176748;1435263176;mircea_popescu;always put names in there.
1176749;1435263190;mircea_popescu;this isn't about principles. this is about particular morons being particularly moronic. they are personally responsible.
1176750;1435263204;mircea_popescu;cut their vague generalities straight from under them.
1176751;1435263291;trinque;"who in his manifest" << manifesto
1176752;1435263327;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ? << Yes
1176753;1435263327;trinque;"mantel" << mantle
1176754;1435263343;shinohai;http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-confederate-flag/
1176755;1435263345;assbot;Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store Because of the Confederate Flag | Touch Arcade ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAgs22 )
1176756;1435263405;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> Some unnamed genius at the company feels  << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous. << will search. Likely committee action. Just quoting Cooter's thoughts on the action there
1176757;1435263439;mircea_popescu;name the committee, as individuals.
1176758;1435263447;trinque;who needs govt force when american companies are so happy to provide it on the govt's behalf
1176759;1435263458;mircea_popescu;the point is to allow no quarter. there is no excuse. joint and several liability exists to deal with exactly this sort of situation.
1176760;1435263467;mircea_popescu;a committee did it ? you each did it, individually, the full thing.
1176761;1435263468;mircea_popescu;bang.
1176762;1435263477;asciilifeform;shinohai: before long, u.s. civil war material will look like german edition of 'wolfenstein'
1176763;1435263480;mircea_popescu;trinque "american companies" are exactly government entitites.
1176764;1435263487;asciilifeform;covered in mysterious ahistorical blobs
1176765;1435263491;trinque;mircea_popescu: yes, I see your point
1176766;1435263543;mircea_popescu;and so no. an "american company" did it ? obama did it.
1176767;1435263544;shinohai;So dumb. If only history had a blockchain.
1176768;1435263549;mircea_popescu;if you have a company it's his company.
1176769;1435263549;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> shinohai: before long, u.s. civil war material will look like german edition of 'wolfenstein' << Already happening in Apple App store
1176770;1435263567;asciilifeform;can't wait to see what the 'new flag' looks like.
1176771;1435263571;asciilifeform;and when ~it~ banned.
1176772;1435263580;mircea_popescu;no new flags.
1176773;1435263582;mircea_popescu;no new anything.
1176774;1435263605;asciilifeform;http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/28-09-Image-Joined.jpg
1176775;1435263606;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhpY0 )
1176776;1435263620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38491 @ 0.00040443 = 15.5669 BTC [+]
1176777;1435263638;asciilifeform;http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/21328-return-to-castle-wolfenstein-windows-screenshot-a-modified.jpg
1176778;1435263639;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhye2 )
1176779;1435263673;BingoBoingo;new flag looks like https://33.media.tumblr.com/f5814086bf70d5022dc23dbf68159f81/tumblr_inline_naq2upNSfM1sxlrl8.jpg
1176780;1435263675;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhH1d )
1176781;1435263680;shinohai;https://transfer.sh/1gKOaO/wtfjew.png
1176782;1435263681;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhHOC )
1176783;1435264249;mircea_popescu;heh. the flags are either the imperial gold with whatever schmuck's escutcheon (i suppose fried chicken and watermelon for the current holder ?) or else the guelph red, or white, or blue, with the horse, the tower, the you name it.
1176784;1435264336;BingoBoingo;replace the stars on the current banner with little watermelons, repatern the stripes like a KFC bucket
1176785;1435264395;chetty;ooo I want one
1176786;1435264878;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5za875MVy1r6mifwo1_1280.jpg
1176787;1435264879;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPIzOr )
1176788;1435264901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65050 @ 0.0003992 = 25.968 BTC [-] {2} 
1176789;1435265328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25943 @ 0.00039139 = 10.1538 BTC [-] {2} 
1176790;1435265938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28672 @ 0.00038962 = 11.1712 BTC [-]
1176791;1435266015;mircea_popescu;"In addition to the embarrassment of having their bro-y, bitchin’ orgy leaked online—you can view uncensored portions below—Pearson (who is also the manager’s son), Hopper and Smith can be heard making at least one racially insensitive remark toward the three Thai girls involved with the players."
1176792;1435266021;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha. racially insensitive eh ?
1176793;1435266051;shinohai;@ mircea_popescu if I find a Russian bride in the form of that pic you just posted, I would be a very happy person indeed.
1176794;1435266060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00038962 = 10.9873 BTC [-]
1176795;1435266146;kakobrekla;Russian bride < who gets paid in that deal?
1176796;1435266667;mircea_popescu;good q huh.
1176797;1435266697;mircea_popescu;but let's instead count ribs. http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ofp6umz41r05yn1o1_1280.jpg
1176798;1435266699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEJZ8I )
1176799;1435266970;cazalla;http://bangordailynews.com/2015/06/25/news/nation/fbi-rounds-up-suspected-lone-wolves/
1176800;1435266971;assbot;  FBI rounds up suspected lone wolves — Nation — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEKKhY )
1176801;1435267128;shinohai;@ cazalla so they can attempt to turn them into their own assets
1176802;1435267311;trinque;so this is NSA wiretapping plus FBI parallel construction plus arresting based on thoughtcrime alone
1176803;1435267313;mircea_popescu;"The FBI has been rounding up more potential “lone wolf” terrorists, congressional leaders and the Justice Department say, in response to the perception of a mounting threat of domestic attacks inspired by the Islamic State."
1176804;1435267315;trinque;nice. that's progress.
1176805;1435267324;mircea_popescu;check it out, hanbot's thesis is well confirmed... by the wolf's own mouth.
1176806;1435267351;mircea_popescu;islamic state my foot. your own people hate you because you're hateful, contemptible twerps, yo. nothing isis can or could do has anything in there.
1176807;1435267396;mircea_popescu;The recent arrests are “an indication that the increased number of threads of threats … is at the highest level that most of us have seen since 9/11,” Chairman Richard Burr of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence told us in an interview.
1176808;1435267397;mircea_popescu;His comments track with those of his House counterpart Devin Nunes, who said earlier this week that the country is at a higher risk of terrorism than ever before.
1176809;1435267415;mircea_popescu;that's ok. it'll be a lot worse next year. and the next and the next, and who knows, maybe it makes it till 2020 even.
1176810;1435267417;mircea_popescu;seems dubious.
1176811;1435267557;mircea_popescu;“There are more of these guys to follow than we can possibly follow,” Sen. Lindsey Graham told us. “It’s just a matter of time before one of them penetrates the net.”
1176812;1435267559;mircea_popescu;aaaite.
1176813;1435267570;mircea_popescu;what now asciilifeform ? lizards lying about how fucked they are ?
1176814;1435267873;asciilifeform;sop, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1170057
1176815;1435267873;assbot;Logged on 20-06-2015 22:46:02; asciilifeform: i will describe, for the benefit of n00bz, the typical career path of 'let's resist usg through action' in usgland: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044
1176816;1435267972;trinque;there are eventually not going to be enough cops to deal with the number of people tired of their shitty lives.
1176817;1435267974;asciilifeform;the 'your own people hate you' thing isn't false, as such, but a newspiece about the arrest of one Abdul Rahman is not really proof of this
1176818;1435267989;trinque;and sometime after that occurs they'll realize this is the case
1176819;1435267996;asciilifeform;trinque: so far this is like proton decay
1176820;1435268015;*;asciilifeform waits
1176821;1435268081;trinque;I wouldn't expect that any rival political thing would form among the orcs going apeshit
1176822;1435268095;trinque;just that them doing so might open doors for others
1176823;1435268125;asciilifeform;i can buy an argument re: joe stack et al., but these schmucks are products of usg entrapment program and are really best understood through 'psychiatric' lens, rather than criminalistic much less 'revolutionary'
1176824;1435268152;trinque;sure, I just see 'em all as things which increase the load average of the state
1176825;1435268190;asciilifeform;the folks described in the linked piece are 'load on the state' in strictly the same sense as the traditional '4th of july' fireworks display.
1176826;1435268428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they REPORT the guy by that name.
1176827;1435268434;mircea_popescu;so they can decry the racism of it. bla bla.
1176828;1435268438;mircea_popescu;look at the unreported names.
1176829;1435268450;asciilifeform;my chronoscope's broken
1176830;1435268455;asciilifeform;where can i see the unreported names.
1176831;1435268461;mircea_popescu;on qntra.
1176832;1435268486;asciilifeform;tomorrow's ?
1176833;1435268493;mircea_popescu;erryday's!!11
1176834;1435268515;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/06/attack-on-dallas-pd-headquarters-another-drop-in-bucket-of-frustrated-americans/ << liek. but yes, i'm sure tomorrow's also.
1176835;1435268516;assbot;Attack on Dallas PD Headquarters: Another Drop in Bucket of Frustrated Americans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkNsKW )
1176836;1435268522;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176740 <<< how would a ban on that stop anything? ya just make your own at home http://i.imgur.com/SJGNdld.jpg
1176837;1435268522;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 20:10:20; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ?
1176838;1435268523;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkNvGG )
1176839;1435268533;mod6;finally. new AMI created. that only took ... you don't wanna know.
1176840;1435268542;mircea_popescu;kidney ?
1176841;1435268548;trinque;cazalla: bahaha
1176842;1435268550;asciilifeform;what's an ami
1176843;1435268560;mod6;amazon image.
1176844;1435268567;asciilifeform;ah
1176845;1435268597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the proposition that joe stack is not revolutionary seems alike the proposition that you're innocent of math.
1176846;1435268602;mircea_popescu;he actually says the words.
1176847;1435268604;mod6;so i create gentoo via stage3 whole process in an instance, then have to create snapshot & make image from snapshot.  deploy new instance from image.
1176848;1435268605;asciilifeform;l0l
1176849;1435268641;*;asciilifeform reread stack's death letter, grants that 'revolutionary' - but a weirdo softy who doesn't like killing
1176850;1435268643;mircea_popescu;what, this is an item accidentally shaped like a tree that coincidentally drops plantains to the ground, but not for this reason a plantain tree ?
1176851;1435268655;mircea_popescu;revolutionaries are generally like that in their writing.
1176852;1435268659;mircea_popescu;see the french.
1176853;1435268674;asciilifeform;no i meant the waiting-until-place-is-empty part
1176854;1435268682;asciilifeform;he could've easily burned it down full ?
1176855;1435268702;mircea_popescu;did i ever tell you the story about the blue collar guy who had caritas tickets ?
1176856;1435268707;asciilifeform;?
1176857;1435268720;trinque;asciilifeform: at least among my meatwot the building being empty played much better
1176858;1435268722;trinque;than the alternative
1176859;1435268730;mircea_popescu;so this one guy, working in a furniture shop, had played this romanian ponzi scheme. early. and kept putting it all in.
1176860;1435268746;mircea_popescu;so he had an immense sum to pick up, and he was scheduled to do so a friday evening.
1176861;1435268756;mircea_popescu;so he asked his workshop boss to let him go to THE STATIUM
1176862;1435268766;mircea_popescu;where he'd have had to wheelbarrow his cash home after being in line for hours.
1176863;1435268770;mircea_popescu;boss wouldn't hear of it
1176864;1435268772;mircea_popescu;man didn't go
1176865;1435268778;mircea_popescu;that saturday morning the thing collapsed.
1176866;1435268799;asciilifeform;happens
1176867;1435268803;mircea_popescu;to joe stacks.
1176868;1435268821;asciilifeform;did he spin around with machine gun ?
1176869;1435268824;mircea_popescu;was he by this token "not minded to be rich" ?
1176870;1435268843;mircea_popescu;simple people miss their funerals because some workshop boss didn't let them off. way the world works.
1176871;1435268865;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1005563 << see also.
1176872;1435268865;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
1176873;1435268869;mircea_popescu;there's more twu wuv crushed under the trainwheels of normal life than under anything else.
1176874;1435268878;mircea_popescu;lmao
1176875;1435268927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11056 @ 0.0004035 = 4.4611 BTC [+]
1176876;1435269072;asciilifeform;the story of the 'lottery ticket lost in the wash' is cross cultural to schmucks of every country
1176877;1435269131;asciilifeform;iirc there is some lawsuit in usa every day re: one thing or another to do with lottery tickets allegedly misappropriated, stolen, 'borrowed', etc
1176878;1435269163;mircea_popescu;aha
1176879;1435269213;asciilifeform;i was never able to understand why these folks thought they were only playing in one lottery
1176880;1435269224;asciilifeform;as opposed to several, including the do-i-cash-this-ticket-in-time one
1176881;1435269233;asciilifeform;the do-i-get-hit-by-asteroid lottery, etc
1176882;1435269262;asciilifeform;some of these are even spiffier than the idiot numbers game because i don't have to pay for the ticket!11
1176883;1435269270;mircea_popescu;lol
1176884;1435269271;asciilifeform;can get my asteroid - for phree.
1176885;1435269358;asciilifeform;i remember a course i had to do at uni, where we were shown various results re: the misconceptions about mechanics common among small children.
1176886;1435269373;asciilifeform;in particular, how they will decide that what they cannot see, for whatever reason, isn't there
1176887;1435269407;asciilifeform;as in, pull down a curtain and literally 'it vanished'
1176888;1435269438;asciilifeform;taken with the usual grain of strychnine with which one eats american academe, this is applicable
1176889;1435269603;asciilifeform;phun phakt: http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=529 << monsanto made... led.
1176890;1435269605;assbot;The Vintage Technology Association - Monsanto MV2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSaYVa )
1176891;1435269634;asciilifeform;among the first!
1176892;1435269643;asciilifeform;http://www.datamath.org/Display/Monsanto.htm
1176893;1435269644;assbot;DATAMATH ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSb1jS )
1176894;1435269652;asciilifeform;when do ~we~ make led ?
1176895;1435269676;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1176896;1435269687;asciilifeform;forget cpu. try led.
1176897;1435269724;asciilifeform;'This effort didn't go very far at first, because Monsanto's marketing department reported that the only color customers wanted was red. Customers used red displays for calculators, so their only concern was getting cheaper LEDs. Marketing never considered other LED applications. Its conclusion that red was the only color wanted may have stemmed from asking the wrong question or asking the wrong people.'
1176898;1435269727;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1176899;1435269873;scoopbot_revived;Bryan Micon Seals The Deal http://qntra.net/2015/06/bryan-micon-seals-the-deal/
1176900;1435269972;asciilifeform;3 btc?!
1176901;1435269973;asciilifeform;lol
1176902;1435270021;kakobrekla;dont forget the 900bux
1176903;1435270042;asciilifeform;and the arse hymen.
1176904;1435270127;trinque;what is this forfeitting his computers nonsense?
1176905;1435270147;trinque;mild inconvenience at best
1176906;1435270194;trinque;heh probably to search 'em for btc privkeys
1176907;1435270196;kakobrekla;im surprised no jail time
1176908;1435270248;mircea_popescu;eh he's prolly gonna show up having an ugrent business proposal to discuss in short order.
1176909;1435270273;mircea_popescu;the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ?
1176910;1435270391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17426 @ 0.0004035 = 7.0314 BTC [+]
1176911;1435271090;williamdunne;kakobrekla: And the $25,000
1176912;1435271428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00040174 = 7.4523 BTC [-] {3} 
1176913;1435271977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00040541 = 7.7839 BTC [+]
1176914;1435272709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14471 @ 0.00039379 = 5.6985 BTC [-]
1176915;1435272873;mircea_popescu;and in other news, all's there but the vending machine. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qh7fKyZW1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg
1176916;1435272875;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAR325 )
1176917;1435273014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6806 @ 0.00039379 = 2.6801 BTC [-]
1176918;1435273025;decimation;"lone wolf terrorists" are just another lame excuse for "keep funding us or else"
1176919;1435273343;mircea_popescu;"lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done.
1176920;1435273430;mircea_popescu;how did the theory go, "bureaucrats are genetically inferior and morally stunted, and so the best thing for their sake is having them live out their lives as slaves for actual humans"
1176921;1435273595;williamdunne;How many slaves are reserved for #b-a?
1176922;1435273645;*;mircea_popescu would not actually want to be saddled with one of those idiots.
1176923;1435273728;cazalla;mircea_popescu, is this just a beat up by norton or is ramnicu valcea really some leet town?
1176924;1435273734;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teg-0Kz_8Q
1176925;1435273735;assbot;In Search of The Most Dangerous Town on the Internet [Official Trailer] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hit7qD )
1176926;1435273772;mircea_popescu;cazalla nonsense. there was a high concentration of kids fucking up windows boxen in that town, a decade ago.
1176927;1435273814;mircea_popescu;it was never truly mention-worthy, but some english speaking journo in search of something to write about it wrote that, and well, ever since it's been some sort of english language accepted truth.
1176928;1435273841;BingoBoingo;Ah, I thought you were going to say they all made fortunes and move to St. Kitts
1176929;1435273887;trinque;hack nasa?!
1176930;1435273891;mircea_popescu;otherwise, it's a rural townlet on par with say dublin, ohio.
1176931;1435273909;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you recall the story of one guccifer, uneployed cab driver fucking around in internet cafes ?
1176932;1435273912;mircea_popescu;that, 99%.
1176933;1435273917;cazalla;anyway, full doco if anyone is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_XI4MM6QI (watching but i expect this to be similar to real estate seminar where norton will hit me up to buy some anti-virus shit at the end of the film)
1176934;1435273918;assbot;In Search of The Most Dangerous Town On the Internet [Official Documentary] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GARKs5 )
1176935;1435274024;mircea_popescu;this sort of crap is unavoidable when doing "reporting". paris was never as fashionable as usians thought.
1176936;1435274115;mircea_popescu;anyway, doing violence to the poorly secured chumpnet is a rite of passage for most of the not-dumb youth of the third world, you must appreciate. in luxor, a tiny town on the valley of the nile, the intellectual elite of boyhood gathered around two beat up dexktops and an acoustic modem trying the same thing.
1176937;1435274127;mircea_popescu;romania's not been much of this for at least 10 years by noiw.
1176938;1435274389;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176915 << yes!!
1176939;1435274389;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 22:54:33; mircea_popescu: and in other news, all's there but the vending machine. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qh7fKyZW1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg
1176940;1435274392;asciilifeform;l0l!
1176941;1435274503;*;asciilifeform absorbed first gibblets of .ro during a tour of duty as professional sp4mz0r hunter
1176942;1435274544;asciilifeform;perhaps 'hunt' is wrong term
1176943;1435274560;asciilifeform;we never removed them from the wild.
1176944;1435274705;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176909 << шаражка only makes sense if you have a korolev to put in it.
1176945;1435274705;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 22:11:13; mircea_popescu: the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ?
1176946;1435274743;asciilifeform;invented, incidentally, nowhere near ru
1176947;1435274749;asciilifeform;but in venice. late 13th c.
1176948;1435274762;asciilifeform;when they sat all the glassblowers down in an island
1176949;1435274777;asciilifeform;blow as much glass as you like. leave? nope.
1176950;1435275183;cazalla;mmm yup, the doco is pretty much an advertisement for norton "As a leader in storytelling for Symantec's global brands, my main goal is to produce proactive, intelligent content that speaks to and engages an audience, and showcases the value of the company's exceptional brilliance in cyber security innovation." Solange Deschatres
1176951;1435275193;asciilifeform;run moar winblowz.
1176952;1435275372;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176919 << you'd want those in your house ?!
1176953;1435275372;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 23:02:23; mircea_popescu: "lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done.
1176954;1435275480;asciilifeform;though they'd work quite well in the car. as seat covers.
1176955;1435275942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0003978 = 5.9272 BTC [+] {2} 
1176956;1435276215;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSUW-Z_Cnc0
1176957;1435276216;assbot;Bearforce1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvhXcu )
1176958;1435276263;BingoBoingo;!up SuchWow
1176959;1435276322;SuchWow;danke
1176960;1435277638;asciilifeform;https://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=7241 << lulzy bug
1176961;1435277640;assbot;Issue 7241 -  go -  /openpgp/armor: armored output differs from gpg or sks armored output  -  The Go Programming Language - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvmVpz )
1176962;1435277642;BingoBoingo;Oh great the Storm/AirRaid sirens are firing
1176963;1435277659;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: duck&cover! (tm) (r)
1176964;1435277668;BingoBoingo;And I'm going to be disappoint again that it is just a storm and not a Raid
1176965;1435277707;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60 << obligatory
1176966;1435277708;assbot;Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvnbF1 )
1176967;1435277974;*;BingoBoingo going to smoke outside and watch this bitch roll in
1176968;1435278039;decimation;asciilifeform: " It's certainly possible that some APT has developed the capability to generate keys with colliding 8-byte key IDs on demand.
1176969;1435278089;asciilifeform;decimation: the old 32-bit id (bottom of modulus) you can generate as many as you like right now..
1176970;1435278106;decimation;yeah 32-bits isn't much
1176971;1435278114;asciilifeform;considering that it wasn't even a hash
1176972;1435278143;decimation;heh yeah good point
1176973;1435278173;decimation;only those named 'bob' may pass.  what is your name? 'bob'
1176974;1435278271;BingoBoingo;False alarm, it's just Odin
1176975;1435278321;decimation;BingoBoingo: looks like a big storm rolling down the mississippi
1176976;1435278368;BingoBoingo;decimation: Indeed, first raindrops fell. Not much yet other than a constant rumbling of distant thunder and occasional flashes of closer lighning.
1176977;1435278386;BingoBoingo;Interesting textures on the cloud bottoms though.
1176978;1435278397;BingoBoingo;Just a touch of mammary look
1176979;1435278626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00039588 = 19.6356 BTC [-] {3} 
1176980;1435278914;decimation;mammatus clouds are associated with strong storms
1176981;1435279085;BingoBoingo;Eh, strong storms still a disappointment compared to any air raid at all
1176982;1435279113;decimation;asciilifeform: http://allanmcrae.com/2015/06/the-case-of-gcc-5-1-and-the-two-c-abis/ < c++/gcc dumbfuckery
1176983;1435279115;assbot;The Case of GCC-5.1 and the Two C++ ABIs | Allan McRae ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gvsd4o )
1176984;1435279119;cazalla;hey decimation, i made you a moot meets an aussie shitposter meme video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nesSXFIVGG0
1176985;1435279120;assbot;Moot meets an Australian - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvsbcT )
1176986;1435279358;decimation;awesome
1176987;1435279403;decimation;lol
1176988;1435279463;decimation;cazalla: is he drinking fosters?
1176989;1435279472;cazalla;yeah looks to be
1176990;1435279498;decimation;;;ud strewth
1176991;1435279499;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=strewth | strewth. An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!" Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate! by Avatar  ...
1176992;1435279639;decimation;heh I haven't heard that one before
1176993;1435279839;decimation;cazalla: but is it true? do australians shit-post?
1176994;1435279867;decimation;also I think the english are bigger drunkards generally
1176995;1435279960;cazalla;decimation, it's just a racist stereotype afaik
1176996;1435279964;decimation;heh apparently it is a three way tie at 10 L per capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
1176997;1435279964;assbot;List of countries by alcohol consumption per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHDGaD )
1176998;1435279979;cazalla;i think we're #1 for drugs
1176999;1435280022;decimation;POMs are drunkards
1177000;1435280031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00040783 = 7.9119 BTC [+] {2} 
1177001;1435280056;decimation;10 L is crazy
1177002;1435280135;decimation;I guess that's like 2 L of 4% beer per month
1177003;1435280213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53619 @ 0.00041062 = 22.017 BTC [+] {4} 
1177004;1435280265;cazalla;decimation, we drink so much they run stupid commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXvAo6o0HY
1177005;1435280266;assbot;"Kids Absorb Your Drinking"- TV Commercial DrinkWise Australia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvuSLF )
1177006;1435280273;williamdunne;Holy shit that is really 10L of pure alcohol..
1177007;1435280274;williamdunne;wut
1177008;1435280287;decimation;yeah per year
1177009;1435280299;decimation;but on average
1177010;1435280316;decimation;that means alot of people drink nothing and some are drunks
1177011;1435280350;williamdunne;Alcoholics pulling up the average
1177012;1435280384;williamdunne;Oh, its like 500ml of beer a day on average
1177013;1435280387;williamdunne;Guess its not that bad
1177014;1435280455;cazalla;but who has a beer? if ya drinking beer, ya into at least 3 longnecks or a slab mate
1177015;1435280465;decimation;heh yeah
1177016;1435280508;williamdunne;Aye, so like 7 longnecks once a week
1177017;1435280521;williamdunne;or 3/4 twice
1177018;1435280526;williamdunne;Seems pretty sane
1177019;1435280542;williamdunne;Although obviously the outliers will be very un-sane
1177020;1435280545;williamdunne;wow
1177021;1435280546;williamdunne;insane
1177022;1435280607;punkman;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6293
1177023;1435280608;assbot;incompatible peers not detected/disconnected · Issue #6293 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHFsbF )
1177024;1435280701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84600 @ 0.0004077 = 34.4914 BTC [-] {2} 
1177025;1435280732;asciilifeform;wtf is 'UnattainiumV2:0.9.4.2'
1177026;1435280752;punkman;so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it
1177027;1435280794;asciilifeform;phoundationd
1177028;1435280845;asciilifeform;ultimately, the matter will be settled using the algo described earlier today by mircea_popescu:
1177029;1435280887;asciilifeform;there will be a place where men 'speak like men,' and another, very different place, where monkeys are free to throw own shit at one another all day long.
1177030;1435281067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57122 @ 0.0004112 = 23.4886 BTC [+] {3} 
1177031;1435281088;punkman;in the meantime, we have to dodge monkey projectiles
1177032;1435281128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57851 @ 0.00041829 = 24.1985 BTC [+] {4} 
1177033;1435281162;asciilifeform;it will be interesting to set the 'misbehaviour' triggers for the orphans crud to max once we have a respectably-complete network of therealbitcoin nodes.
1177034;1435281200;punkman;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures  probably worth going over this list
1177035;1435281202;assbot;Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwswR )
1177036;1435281213;asciilifeform;i think ben_vulpes had a summary
1177037;1435281234;asciilifeform;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html
1177038;1435281235;assbot;A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwtRy )
1177039;1435281255;asciilifeform;not certain if it covers the earlier link entirely
1177040;1435281331;punkman;bunch of them solved by existing snips
1177041;1435281430;asciilifeform;i can barely believe there are still folks using nodes with the alert crap in them
1177042;1435282594;punkman;http://www.miningpool.co.uk/erik-voorhees-on-ben-lawskys-bitcoin-firm-its-the-very-definition-of-crony-capitalism/
1177043;1435282596;assbot;Erik Voorhees Attacks Ben Lawsky’s Bitcoin Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewZYS )
1177044;1435284025;punkman;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b457y/vp_candidate_in_argentina_a_harvard_econ_phd/
1177045;1435284026;assbot;VP candidate in Argentina (a Harvard econ PhD) appears to promise cryptocurrency as Argentina's money if elected : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeAluK )
1177046;1435284666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36925 @ 0.00041596 = 15.3593 BTC [-]
1177047;1435284701;BingoBoingo;Oh, look at the pussy storm. All it did was knock out mains power. Didn't even put a branch through the roof like a real storm.
1177048;1435284788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00040332 = 12.2408 BTC [-]
1177049;1435284899;decimation;asciilifeform: the 'alert' thing is hilarious
1177050;1435284961;decimation;do we know when gavin's key was added?
1177051;1435284981;williamdunne;!s 8ch
1177052;1435284981;assbot;6 results for '8ch' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8ch
1177053;1435287228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64056 @ 0.00040299 = 25.8139 BTC [-] {2} 
1177054;1435287422;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov: anyone try 'doxygen' proggy for therealbitcoin source ?
1177055;1435287451;asciilifeform;https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/walletmodel_8h_source.html << example, in use by enemy
1177056;1435287452;assbot;Bitcoin: src/qt/walletmodel.h Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7aGb8 )
1177057;1435287504;asciilifeform;it's a somewhat spiffier incarnation of jurov's thing at http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source
1177058;1435287505;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7aJE2 )
1177059;1435287777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00040489 = 17.3293 BTC [+]
1177060;1435287972;asciilifeform;https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/469.pdf << fairly lulzy article. describes method of running arbitrarily many bitcoind on one box, simulated planet.
1177061;1435287975;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bo8m )
1177062;1435287991;punkman;I was just thinking about that
1177063;1435288005;asciilifeform;specifically was done to simulate orphan spam.
1177064;1435288026;asciilifeform;~6000 sim nodes
1177065;1435288082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00040808 = 10.9774 BTC [+] {2} 
1177066;1435288093;punkman;I'd definitely want better debug/test instrumentation before such experiments
1177067;1435288194;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.umd.edu/~amiller << and before anyone asks, no, i don't know this fella
1177068;1435288196;assbot;Andrew Miller phd@umd ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bJId )
1177069;1435288211;punkman;"US Naval Research Laboratory" huh
1177070;1435288234;punkman;didn't those guys fund Tor as well?
1177071;1435288234;asciilifeform;punkman: mega-sponsor of just about everything one might think of
1177072;1435288243;asciilifeform;(in u.s. academia)
1177073;1435288285;punkman;http://cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/
1177074;1435288286;assbot;Coinscope ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bWuT )
1177075;1435288293;punkman;no code though
1177076;1435288320;asciilifeform;was looking for precisely the code
1177077;1435288323;asciilifeform;found - nothing
1177078;1435288324;asciilifeform;typical.
1177079;1435288325;punkman;https://github.com/shadow/shadow-plugin-bitcoin
1177080;1435288326;assbot;shadow/shadow-plugin-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7c1yA )
1177081;1435288327;punkman;here it is
1177082;1435288332;asciilifeform;aha
1177083;1435288410;asciilifeform;http://cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/coinscope.pdf << somewhat interesting
1177084;1435288413;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7c8dH )
1177085;1435288471;decimation;asciilifeform: amusing, they just run all the instances one at a time
1177086;1435288502;decimation;navy research lab is a usg funding-hole
1177087;1435288517;asciilifeform;big one
1177088;1435288597;decimation;on the surface, it would seem logical to run 6000 threads in parallel
1177089;1435288627;decimation;but that would be a nightmare of c-machine trickery
1177090;1435288678;punkman;"AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting
1177091;1435288700;asciilifeform;grantsmanship.
1177092;1435288711;asciilifeform;but not an entirely bad experimental design
1177093;1435288778;decimation;probably would be more effective to use usg's cash to buy 6000 pogos
1177094;1435288794;decimation;probably cheaper than a week of contractor salary
1177095;1435288813;asciilifeform;it is not clear that there were ever 6000 pogos..
1177096;1435288816;decimation;heh
1177097;1435289278;BingoBoingo;Mega-LOL Nearly a pound and a half, small-bore, single-shot, advertised for personal defense http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GPAR1BLK
1177098;1435289280;assbot;Heizer Defense Pocket AR Break Action Single Shot Pistol .223 Remington 3.87" Barrel One Round Capacity Stainless Steel Barrel/Frame Matte Black Finish PAR1BLK ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7duoK )
1177099;1435289301;BingoBoingo;Also nearly $400
1177100;1435289364;BingoBoingo;!up DanyAlos
1177101;1435289393;DanyAlos;Thanx
1177102;1435289487;DanyAlos;Just visiting to see what are you guys talking about.
1177103;1435289498;DanyAlos;It is always interesting
1177104;1435289581;mats;we do our best
1177105;1435289710;BingoBoingo;We also try to impress the passerbys
1177106;1435289729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00040284 = 8.9229 BTC [-]
1177107;1435289755;DanyAlos;Last time I was around talking about Blocksize limit. I really had fun.
1177108;1435289823;BingoBoingo;Well feel free to stop by. Are you registered with assbot to self voice when you get the itch?
1177109;1435289894;DanyAlos;I am registered with assbot but I am not sure if I can voice myself.
1177110;1435289905;BingoBoingo;!gettrust DanyAlos
1177111;1435289906;assbot;Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user DanyAlos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=DanyAlos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/DanyAlos/
1177112;1435289906;DanyAlos;I think I cannot
1177113;1435289915;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot DanyAlos
1177114;1435289916;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user DanyAlos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=DanyAlos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/DanyAlos/
1177115;1435289937;BingoBoingo;!rate DanyAlos 1 new blood for the blood god
1177116;1435289937;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8a77f6ad32fc33ae
1177117;1435290029;DanyAlos;So kind of you!
1177118;1435290034;DanyAlos;Thanxs
1177119;1435290042;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.DanyAlos.1:b64cd11f26b5f77e3811b5519bd939ab913ea47b0465d52cd303c5ccacd79891
1177120;1435290042;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for DanyAlos with note: new blood for the blood god
1177121;1435290051;BingoBoingo;K, now you can self voice
1177122;1435290083;punkman;I read the coinscope paper, not bad. even has some pseudocode at the end.
1177123;1435290522;DanyAlos;BingoBoingo, Thank you. I will be back tomorrow. It is late here. Got to go.
1177124;1435290732;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that little pistol is for what, using one's last round for self ?
1177125;1435290753;asciilifeform;can't see what else it could be good for
1177126;1435290767;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I guess??? For self I'd want something with a little more diameter...
1177127;1435290771;mats;he's a crack shot
1177128;1435290785;mats;will put in the enemy's eye
1177129;1435290788;BingoBoingo;I honestly can't imagine a use for that thing
1177130;1435290825;BingoBoingo;mats: For actual crack shot here is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_MCM
1177131;1435290825;assbot;MCM pistol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fqh2 )
1177132;1435290854;BingoBoingo;And for 31337 crack shot there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_IZH-46M
1177133;1435290855;assbot;Baikal IZH-46M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fugO )
1177134;1435290946;mats;cute
1177135;1435290976;BingoBoingo;But the .223 abomination thing isn't even competitionable.
1177136;1435290977;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc my father competed with the 'mcm'
1177137;1435290994;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's deinitely on my want list
1177138;1435291151;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.umd.edu/~elaine/teaching/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrency.html << '20% Ethereum project'
1177139;1435291152;assbot;CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency  ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fNbx )
1177140;1435291156;*;asciilifeform ashamed of his degree
1177141;1435291181;mats;i have yet to perfect my hip firing technique
1177142;1435291185;*;BingoBoingo doesn't know many honest people not disappointed with degree
1177143;1435291254;asciilifeform;back to the little pistol - i often wonder what is the shortest barrel that's still good for 'last round you save for yourself'
1177144;1435291458;BingoBoingo;Probably depends on what comes out of barrel. .22 rimfire prolly needs a longer barrel than .50 BMG
1177145;1435291534;cazalla;it's a ladies gun isn't it? sorta like a derringer
1177146;1435291558;asciilifeform;http://en.shram.kiev.ua/work/ekzoticheskie-patroni.shtml << small arms oddities
1177147;1435291560;assbot; Exotic ammunition www.shram.kiev.ua  ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeKCr0 )
1177148;1435291588;asciilifeform;e.g., http://en.shram.kiev.ua/img/work/ekzoticheskie-patroni/wpid_je3gc13pxc_1394451845_resize.jpg
1177149;1435291589;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeKEz5 )
1177150;1435291625;BingoBoingo;For last bullet one needs barrel that goes back of the mouth and then up to destroy brainstem. Wider buller likely more forgiving. perhaps .12 gauge deer slug from metal "flare" gun would be ideal if "guide rod" was attached to contact right part of the soft palate
1177151;1435291655;asciilifeform;something like the 'captive bolt' thing used in slaughterhouses would also work
1177152;1435291662;asciilifeform;(gunpowder-actuated piston)
1177153;1435291664;BingoBoingo;cazalla: That break action .223 pistol isn't even a ladies gun. Lacks the aesthetics for that.
1177154;1435291702;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: captive bolt is for the bunker to pass around after the last selfish prick takes own goal
1177155;1435291724;asciilifeform;'ugh wash that thing will ya'
1177156;1435291742;BingoBoingo;!b 12
1177157;1435291743;assbot;Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0PAMJTS.txt )
1177158;1435291802;BingoBoingo;mats: What really is the appeal of "hip firing"? is that for target too close for bayonet?
1177159;1435291829;asciilifeform;http://en.shram.kiev.ua/img/work/ekzoticheskie-patroni/olded_1394382635_resize.jpg << win
1177160;1435291830;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeKYho )
1177161;1435291874;mats;putting more rounds downrange than other skilled shooter
1177162;1435291900;mats;i would prefer a knife for close in work
1177163;1435291960;cazalla;you guys and your illegal weapons.. call the police if ya meet with trouble
1177164;1435292007;BingoBoingo;cazalla: On the contrary. Not illegal at all here.
1177165;1435292028;asciilifeform;cazalla: in usa, police is where you call to have the sidewalk hosed and corpses removed
1177166;1435292041;cazalla;BingoBoingo, illegal in my country therefore illegal in yours (works for US so why not aus?)
1177167;1435292046;BingoBoingo;cazalla: .50 BMG anti dump truck rifle perfectly fine sport weapon
1177168;1435292067;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Because your most dangerous native fauna is the roos
1177169;1435292114;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> cazalla: in usa, police is where you call to have the sidewalk hosed and corpses removed << In this area they don't hose. Property owner must contract "crime scene cleaner"
1177170;1435292122;asciilifeform;l0l
1177171;1435292290;cazalla;as much hassle as it is shelling and deveining prawns, this tom yum goong is preddy gud
1177172;1435292333;BingoBoingo;Medical services of course though always take the largest portion of the cadaver and bill for their attempts at resurrection
1177173;1435292498;BingoBoingo;http://www.wired.com/2012/07/olympic-gear-firearms/ << lol EU restricts CO2 emissions from airguns!
1177174;1435292499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeLRGJ )
1177175;1435292797;BingoBoingo;Related layering strategy http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2557
1177176;1435292798;assbot;JL: The Survival Stick ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7idqk )
1177177;1435292841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.000403 = 9.7325 BTC [+]
1177178;1435292954;BingoBoingo;And for mircea_popescu http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2562
1177179;1435292955;assbot;JL: How Police Protect Gangsters ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7iolu )
1177180;1435293024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24953 @ 0.0003989 = 9.9538 BTC [-] {2} 
1177181;1435293388;BingoBoingo;MCM pistol, self winding watch, and naptha box lighter seems like a solid trio of possessions for profiling potential Bitcoin holders
1177182;1435293531;mats;i admit that 'hip firing' is a mistake for most people
1177183;1435293602;mats;and in the general case i would prefer a balanced knife over a handgun
1177184;1435293676;BingoBoingo;Well it is a dilemma. At range you want a rifle, and otherwise you jsut don't want to get boned
1177185;1435293773;mats;bring a battle buddy (tm)
1177186;1435293817;punkman;http://www.cs.umd.edu/~elaine/teaching/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrency.html  heh
1177187;1435293818;assbot;CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency  ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7jwFR )
1177188;1435294366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00039879 = 22.5715 BTC [-]
1177189;1435294549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00039691 = 13.2568 BTC [-] {2} 
1177190;1435294731;mircea_popescu;nb.
1177191;1435294867;mircea_popescu;"The Black Guerilla Family was running at least one Maryland Corrections facility, and even had military operatives in Afghanistan bringing home dope. Terrence White, the incarcerated Commander of the gang, impregnated four corrections officers!"
1177192;1435294870;mircea_popescu;o hey, check the guy out
1177193;1435294874;mircea_popescu;it wasn't out of the blue.
1177194;1435295098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59350 @ 0.00039441 = 23.4082 BTC [-] {2} 
1177195;1435295103;punkman;http://www.infowars.com/black-guerrilla-family-the-bloods-and-the-crips-plan-to-take-out-baltimore-cops/
1177196;1435295104;assbot; » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out� Baltimore Cops Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7lqX0 )
1177197;1435295570;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177026 << ongoing problem, with all the "we made our own coin out of bitcoin and sed/awk"
1177198;1435295570;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 01:05:52; punkman: so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it
1177199;1435295580;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you tell them apart ? most are very sloppy too
1177200;1435295704;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177044 << fucktard thinks that something OTHER THAN THE PESO is the world's least stable currency.
1177201;1435295704;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 02:00:25; punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b457y/vp_candidate_in_argentina_a_harvard_econ_phd/
1177202;1435295709;mircea_popescu;in this, he is a typical argentine.
1177203;1435295719;mircea_popescu;folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo.
1177204;1435295727;mircea_popescu;because they're white, and really that's all there is.
1177205;1435295769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23664 @ 0.00039379 = 9.3186 BTC [-]
1177206;1435295795;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177090 << "provided the entire 'connectable' network is defined as 'that which will  allow us to probe'. " splendid wankery.
1177207;1435295795;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 03:17:58; punkman: "AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting
1177208;1435295819;mircea_popescu;also in the same news dollop, "wot allows mapping the entire visible relationship map". derp.
1177209;1435295830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23736 @ 0.00039182 = 9.3002 BTC [-]
1177210;1435295853;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert
1177211;1435295874;mircea_popescu;he should have targeted city hall.
1177212;1435295897;mircea_popescu;always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking.
1177213;1435295902;mircea_popescu;that's what they're there for.
1177214;1435295944;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177128 << while screaming "vote or die!"
1177215;1435295944;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 03:53:05; mats: will put in the enemy's eye
1177216;1435295948;BingoBoingo;Or make the politicians shit the paperwork, what evs
1177217;1435295992;mircea_popescu;15% Class participation
1177218;1435295993;mircea_popescu;20% Ethereum project
1177219;1435295993;mircea_popescu;15% Reading Critique and Homeworks
1177220;1435295993;mircea_popescu;50% Final project
1177221;1435296004;mircea_popescu;motherfucker.Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller ftr.
1177222;1435296047;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking. << And to be fair Roof kid got a State Senator
1177223;1435296066;BingoBoingo;Purely by chance though.
1177224;1435296318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21368 @ 0.000403 = 8.6113 BTC [+]
1177225;1435296509;mats;punkman: reads like a scam
1177226;1435296562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122944 @ 0.00041189 = 50.6394 BTC [+] {3} 
1177227;1435296623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00040773 = 21.9766 BTC [-]
1177228;1435297053;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177210 <<< would shooting up a crack den even make the news?
1177229;1435297053;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 05:17:33; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert
1177230;1435297071;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Maybe if he got a high score?
1177231;1435297156;cazalla;church wouldn't be my choice but he might've known it would cause outrage on account of church being somewhat sacrosanct
1177232;1435297476;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no doxygen, but i did try to run it through a source tree mapper one time
1177233;1435297538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73850 @ 0.00041723 = 30.8124 BTC [+] {3} 
1177234;1435297904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00041854 = 30.5116 BTC [+]
1177235;1435298300;mircea_popescu;"As a man, my arsenal is heavier in my room. In my bed is a bowie knife, on the night stand a dagger, by the dresser a late medieval arming sword, at my desk a pair of butterfly swords, by my foot locker a Viking sword and a jobolo wood baton, and by the door to my room a hickory walking stick, a razor sharp daito [ninja sword] and a 14 inch meat hook. I want to emerge from my room with a weapon in each hand, as such a
1177236;1435298300;mircea_popescu; scenario would be triggered by an audible break in or an attack on my housemates—and, for that apocalyptic event, I have my bow and arrows."
1177237;1435298313;mircea_popescu;this guy is going to die accidentally when his bedroom falls on him
1177238;1435298540;BingoBoingo;It sounds like there is a non-zero chance of that.
1177239;1435298629;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Wing_Chun_Hybrid_Blade_Style_Butterfly_Swords.JPG << gotta say they're pretty gorgeous
1177240;1435298630;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gw1XqO )
1177241;1435298762;cazalla;such fancy weapons but i'd rather dual machete with 50% crit bonus on offhand
1177242;1435298827;mircea_popescu;dunno. they seem light and overall excellent.
1177243;1435299014;cazalla;well, Australian has +2 to machete so it is an obvious choice
1177244;1435299132;*;BingoBoingo partial to stiff dagger with pointed narrow blade, preferably unseen until removed from ribs
1177245;1435299158;mats;http://bladeswelove.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/IMG_5080.jpg
1177246;1435299161;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeWEk0 )
1177247;1435299182;mats;'karambit'
1177248;1435299203;BingoBoingo;!s fairbairn
1177249;1435299204;assbot;4 results for 'fairbairn' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fairbairn
1177250;1435299216;mircea_popescu;lol teh kukri
1177251;1435299246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15205 @ 0.00041854 = 6.3639 BTC [+]
1177252;1435299266;cazalla;BingoBoingo, no rambo knife? (knife from part 2)
1177253;1435299294;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Too wide and flat. Dagger is minimal skill tool.
1177254;1435299324;BingoBoingo;Something like a Rambo knife requires awareness of angles and orientation
1177255;1435299368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31107 @ 0.00040773 = 12.6833 BTC [-]
1177256;1435299395;punkman;"Terminator was really sent back by John Connor because he could not longer stand reading the code he wrote when he was younger"
1177257;1435299437;BingoBoingo;lol
1177258;1435299437;scoopbot_revived;BitFury and private property in the land of the free. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/26/bitfury-and-private-property-in-the-land-of-the-free/
1177259;1435299612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141500 @ 0.00039124 = 55.3605 BTC [-] {3} 
1177260;1435299648;punkman;mats, what reads like a scam?
1177261;1435299686;mats;01:05:06 <@assbot> » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out� Baltimore Cops
1177262;1435299704;mircea_popescu;you only think so because alex jones is pushing it.
1177263;1435299720;punkman;everything on infowars reads like a scam indeed
1177264;1435299747;mats;i would expect these organizations to have been in the game long enough to know to avoid inviting federal bureaucrats to join in the fun
1177265;1435299779;mats;reads like cops scamming feds for grant money.
1177266;1435299836;mircea_popescu;nah, feds would never give money, they'd just move in.
1177267;1435299946;mircea_popescu;and honestly, it's dubious whether feds can actually afford going to battle with a well organised us based clan.
1177268;1435299963;mircea_popescu;whether such exists is another matter, but anyway.
1177269;1435299980;mircea_popescu;iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.
1177270;1435300039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16738 @ 0.00038844 = 6.5017 BTC [-]
1177271;1435300344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00038807 = 14.1257 BTC [-] {2} 
1177272;1435300405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20935 @ 0.0003933 = 8.2337 BTC [+]
1177273;1435301280;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=7795365644055 (Shell Arkell ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=1816771166631 (Shell Arkell ; )
1177274;1435301282;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eKZkup )
1177275;1435301388;BingoBoingo;Ouch, another german
1177276;1435301430;BingoBoingo;And the alf creation now has the ears of 66 moduli for its necklace
1177277;1435301651;BingoBoingo;NewFlag https://i.imgur.com/2DWXfGR.jpg
1177278;1435301652;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eL02b6 )
1177279;1435302891;BingoBoingo;Some BUtuchyag grade Fatlogic. Measuring HamPlanets in pounds AND GALLONS, by their own request https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/26/726940d391d962a57fc6f5f1e83092c4.jpg
1177280;1435302894;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMPD7F )
1177281;1435302911;mircea_popescu;o hey check that out.
1177282;1435302957;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo thaty's not a bad flag at all. whose is it ?
1177283;1435303007;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Saw it in the reddit tardmines trying to mine lulz. Creator yet unidentified. Apparently reddit OP jacked it from elsewhere to be identified
1177284;1435303038;mircea_popescu;i think you just summed up reddit with that.
1177285;1435303052;mircea_popescu;like a wikipedia for non-text internet content.
1177286;1435303097;mircea_popescu;"identify as an aloe vera" bit was pretty good.
1177287;1435303170;BingoBoingo;It's the new "Fuck You Imma Dragon"
1177288;1435303173;cazalla;386 lbs holy fuck  that water retention
1177289;1435303199;cazalla;"identify as aloe vera" ok nice troll
1177290;1435303200;mircea_popescu;why not camel, i wonder.
1177291;1435303239;BingoBoingo;Because camel humps are fat. The wikipedoium can tell redditors that.
1177292;1435303309;mircea_popescu;but aloe's a vegetable.
1177293;1435303333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24942 @ 0.00039855 = 9.9406 BTC [+]
1177294;1435303346;BingoBoingo;But they don't want to be oily butterblobs, they want to be innocent ballons
1177295;1435303423;BingoBoingo;Water weight makes it seem like the doctor's fault for not giving them enough HCTZ and Lasix to piss out their planthood.
1177296;1435303490;mircea_popescu;and in the nightly scare : https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/26/726940d391d962a57fc6f5f1e83092c4.jpg
1177297;1435303492;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMQy86 )
1177298;1435303504;mircea_popescu;wrong one. i meant : http://40.media.tumblr.com/2ca11d7f8f10f6745ff7634a274589a6/tumblr_nqb6hjqvA91u3fd9jo1_1280.jpg
1177299;1435303505;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMQyVE )
1177300;1435303672;HeySteve;still the best site on the internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20120209145349/http://www.fatchicksinpartyhats.com/
1177301;1435303673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkhzRW )
1177302;1435303823;cazalla;that site is really relegated to archive.org ?
1177303;1435303827;HeySteve;not sure why he needs the mantrap in the 1st place... but using cellphone in the bedroom is very bad form
1177304;1435303837;HeySteve;it seems so :(
1177305;1435303853;BingoBoingo;Not Safe For Life: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/10/1370727194611.jpg
1177306;1435303854;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMR7ip )
1177307;1435303906;HeySteve;arrrg that's horrendous
1177308;1435303912;BingoBoingo;Only marginally less bad, but still Not safe for life: https://slimgur.com/image/6wX
1177309;1435303914;assbot;HEaPB - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMRcTe )
1177310;1435303925;cazalla;HeySteve, how many bitcoin would it take for you to fuck her? 1? 10? 100? 1000?
1177311;1435303927;HeySteve;it looks like she's made of cancer
1177312;1435303967;HeySteve;don't think I could, without a blindfold and a crate of viagra
1177313;1435303986;cazalla;10k btc but you gotta lick the pussy
1177314;1435304019;HeySteve;the creature's human-suit is melting
1177315;1435304113;BingoBoingo;It looks like a Staph infection literally tore through its Fupa.
1177316;1435304123;HeySteve;cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy
1177317;1435304124;mircea_popescu;why the bra ?
1177318;1435304133;mircea_popescu;im sorry, to rephrase. why just one bra ?
1177319;1435304189;cazalla;i still don't grasp how anyone gets that big, really hope it is genetics as they claim
1177320;1435304225;mircea_popescu;it must be liquids.
1177321;1435304229;cazalla;must be some black hole type food that is just super dense with calories
1177322;1435304234;mircea_popescu;soda, beer, icecream, that sort of thing.
1177323;1435304277;BingoBoingo;<HeySteve> cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy << I'd be more concerned with other medical followup. I looks like it still has active cullulitis infection on its skin after surgical intervention to remove areas of active necrosis.
1177324;1435304284;HeySteve;high fructose corn syrup is the culprit, so I've heard
1177325;1435304318;mircea_popescu;dja mean cellulitis ?
1177326;1435304327;HeySteve;BingoBoingo, don't know what cullulitis infection and afraid to search it
1177327;1435304345;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> dja mean cellulitis ? << Yeah
1177328;1435304365;mircea_popescu;staph fat infection.
1177329;1435304367;HeySteve;but flesh-eating bacteria might be a solution instead of a problem here
1177330;1435304424;BingoBoingo;Or biodiesel. Amoco Green was people!
1177331;1435304431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16101 @ 0.00039855 = 6.4171 BTC [+]
1177332;1435304704;BingoBoingo;At this point I'm conviced the only reason the fat hate movement is being suppressed is because USG has officially adopted Obesity as a social control mechanism.
1177333;1435305224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40920 @ 0.00040972 = 16.7657 BTC [+] {2} 
1177334;1435306444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00041331 = 15.3751 BTC [+] {2} 
1177335;1435308170;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/ <<< if anyone else feels inclined to voice their concerns re the fraud being perpetuated against umd, please do so, either towards the people there listed or anyone else you think appropriate.
1177336;1435308171;assbot;On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FEsdNW )
1177337;1435308584;punkman;nice ;)
1177338;1435309242;scoopbot_revived;On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/
1177339;1435309433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00041733 = 28.3367 BTC [+] {3} 
1177340;1435310470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00041854 = 13.7909 BTC [+]
1177341;1435310633;cazalla;poor elaine shi cannot even redeem herself with a fuck with such an ugly gook face
1177342;1435310862;cazalla;looks like some frenchie lost his head http://rt.com/news/269890-france-attack-industrial-complex/
1177343;1435310863;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7AILz )
1177344;1435310955;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177055 wow. seems doxygen has improved much since i last used it
1177345;1435310955;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 02:57:31; asciilifeform: https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/walletmodel_8h_source.html << example, in use by enemy
1177346;1435311324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10822 @ 0.00041854 = 4.5294 BTC [+] {2} 
1177347;1435311385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42728 @ 0.00041878 = 17.8936 BTC [+] {3} 
1177348;1435311934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00041928 = 4.5702 BTC [+] {2} 
1177349;1435312494;jurov;http://rt.com/news/236027-madonna-europe-nazi-germany/ RT delivers!
1177350;1435312495;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GN4Up1 )
1177351;1435312727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00041965 = 18.0869 BTC [+]
1177352;1435312821;jurov;http://rt.com/news/259121-us-bomb-rt-kusturica/ looks like a plan
1177353;1435312822;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkqBlG )
1177354;1435312959;jurov;Kusturica believes, “RT will ever more demystify the American Dream and in primetime will reveal the truth hidden for decades from the eyes and hearts of average Americans.�
1177355;1435314069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00041115 = 20.1464 BTC [-] {2} 
1177356;1435314106;jurov;http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg LOL
1177357;1435314107;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dktinq )
1177358;1435314130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00040619 = 6.3772 BTC [-]
1177359;1435314163;shinohai;^ that pic should be used in a bitcoind release
1177360;1435314435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00040619 = 13.0793 BTC [-]
1177361;1435314923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00040111 = 10.5492 BTC [-] {2} 
1177362;1435316204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00041377 = 15.0199 BTC [+] {3} 
1177363;1435317241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41474 @ 0.00042141 = 17.4776 BTC [+] {2} 
1177364;1435317546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00042236 = 4.0547 BTC [+]
1177365;1435318646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29051 @ 0.00040641 = 11.8066 BTC [-]
1177366;1435319803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00040641 = 5.4459 BTC [-]
1177367;1435320352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94900 @ 0.00040639 = 38.5664 BTC [-] {2} 
1177368;1435320840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140150 @ 0.00040237 = 56.3922 BTC [-] {2} 
1177369;1435321267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00040064 = 18.2692 BTC [-] {3} 
1177370;1435321633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039433 = 13.4072 BTC [-] {2} 
1177371;1435321998;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=133 (Marc Enger ; Marc Enger ; )
1177372;1435322001;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crgd2e )
1177373;1435322728;punkman;https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions/
1177374;1435322729;assbot;A month with BADONIONS ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkAdJw )
1177375;1435323038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00040869 = 13.405 BTC [+]
1177376;1435323099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00039094 = 9.5976 BTC [-]
1177377;1435323526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00040869 = 2.82 BTC [+]
1177378;1435325844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00038795 = 21.2985 BTC [-] {5} 
1177379;1435325847;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (ms@admilon.net ; )
1177380;1435325849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhHg6A )
1177381;1435325850;mats;it flexs
1177382;1435326393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25330 @ 0.00039925 = 10.113 BTC [+]
1177383;1435326881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38087 @ 0.00039925 = 15.2062 BTC [+]
1177384;1435327762;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIbkCQbUAAAm5lz.jpg
1177385;1435327763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnHp9P )
1177386;1435327843;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIX9ZmFWgAAfH5U.jpg
1177387;1435327844;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnHxWY )
1177388;1435327938;punkman;!up referredbyloper
1177389;1435327979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36150 @ 0.00040381 = 14.5977 BTC [+] {4} 
1177390;1435328287;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177373 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1173884
1177391;1435328287;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 12:45:28; punkman: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions/
1177392;1435328287;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 02:49:18; asciilifeform: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions << lulzy. but for some reason author did not consider the possibility that isps snort downstream from known tor exits
1177393;1435328502;PeterL;Anybody seen the movie "Horrible bosses 2"? It made me smile when it referenced bitcoin.
1177394;1435328621;asciilifeform;'Feb 16: 10:30am AVW 4172 !! Guest Lecture by Vitalik Buterin, founder of Ethereum.' << can't believe i missed this lulzfest that happened half hour's walk from my house.
1177395;1435328655;asciilifeform;http://www.cyber.umd.edu/events/cryptocurrency-hotshots << l0l!
1177396;1435328656;assbot;Cryptocurrency Hot-shot Speaker Series - Spring 2015 | Maryland Cybersecurity Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnJ4MQ )
1177397;1435328752;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu probably read this speaker list, and understands why the dean of umd will not call the two 'heroes' to the carpet.
1177398;1435328862;decimation;asciilifeform: I've noted an extremely pervasive "any cryptocoin but bitcoin" bias in academia, think tanks, and gov't
1177399;1435328891;decimation;in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too"
1177400;1435328949;decimation;ah and he's one of thiel's bois
1177401;1435328955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00041179 = 5.2709 BTC [+] {2} 
1177402;1435328974;decimation;"She is also an advisor to Ripple, one of the most popular cryptocurrencies (currently second to Bitcoin in total cap). "
1177403;1435328978;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: there's always next semester.
1177404;1435329055;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/#comment-114626
1177405;1435329056;assbot;On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCXh7u )
1177406;1435329069;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: they will have to feature some other scammer next semester
1177407;1435329077;asciilifeform;(who will it be? gavin?)
1177408;1435329092;pete_dushenski;wouldn't that be sweet
1177409;1435329138;asciilifeform;not like there is any shortage of these.
1177410;1435329160;pete_dushenski;mebbe usgbitfury will be there with their lightbulbs
1177411;1435329170;pete_dushenski;or 21 and their comcastboxen
1177412;1435329182;asciilifeform;i bet the ee labs are already providing gratis fab & debug service for those
1177413;1435329230;pete_dushenski;'masters thesis'
1177414;1435329258;pete_dushenski;;;later tell thestringpuller hope you like michael jackson http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/25/this-is-it/
1177415;1435329260;assbot;This Is It | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnKeYC )
1177416;1435329260;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1177417;1435329260;asciilifeform;with shame i admit that i not only took degree there, but was employed for a spell under the same roof ('umiacs') with these mega-heroes.
1177418;1435329260;decimation;asciilifeform: of course, if they invited someone who actually knew about bitcoin
1177419;1435329276;decimation;the conference would have been about telling uncomfortable truths
1177420;1435329301;decimation;like, why are none of you actually reading the bitcoin code
1177421;1435329331;asciilifeform;these are educated pseudoscientists, not 'tardstalk' denizens
1177422;1435329345;asciilifeform;they know what they're doing.
1177423;1435329359;pete_dushenski;right. they read code, liked what they saw.
1177424;1435329362;decimation;that doesn't mean they know anything about bitcoin
1177425;1435329373;decimation;but I would agree that they know from which master they get their pay
1177426;1435329383;pete_dushenski;thought that, if anything, code needed moar feechures.
1177427;1435329406;decimation;I could imagine a virtuous bitcoin conference
1177428;1435329419;asciilifeform;why would a fly think that meat in the sun 'needs' anything other than some fly eggs ?
1177429;1435329422;decimation;imagine dijsktra giving a talk on the various ways in which bitcoin code is horrifying
1177430;1435329490;decimation;It's depressing that these people are 'paid to think' and are engaging with bitcoin at the level of the average new york times commenter
1177431;1435329589;mircea_popescu;!rated lobbes
1177432;1435329589;assbot;You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory....
1177433;1435329597;mircea_popescu;o.O
1177434;1435329602;shinohai;lol
1177435;1435329646;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177386 << lol apparently these 'wilder publications' have a bit of a reputation for scamming, see: http://www.patricesarath.com/observations/the-shameful-business-model-of-wilder-publications/
1177436;1435329646;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 14:10:43; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIX9ZmFWgAAfH5U.jpg
1177437;1435329648;assbot;The shameful business model of Wilder Publications - Author Patrice Sarath ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCZIqI )
1177438;1435329724;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this even.
1177439;1435329756;mircea_popescu;"o, parents should tell their kids all about how a) they're smarter than kant and b) really, it was god not this evolution bs,"
1177440;1435329785;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/#comment-114627 << what line did they cross? if you read the guest speaker list linked a few lines back, it becomes clear that they are doing the will of His Reptilian Majesty
1177441;1435329786;assbot;On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RD0oMJ )
1177442;1435329816;mircea_popescu;his reptilian majesty is still lying about its involvement in that particular scam.
1177443;1435329826;mircea_popescu;the line they crossed is that they exposed their master, and yeah they're fucked.
1177444;1435329864;asciilifeform;the thing's a rogue's gallery of buterin, the 'ripple' folks, a 'law prof' devoted to digging up precedent for 'regulating cryptocurrency', etc.
1177445;1435329865;pete_dushenski;"and c) we've progressed so far since then, my little dearest, these words on this page from this kant feller are barely worth the paper they're written on other than for being so adorably archaic"
1177446;1435329913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so it is. so what of it ?
1177447;1435329925;asciilifeform;the figure of lizardhitler in this affair was never disguised in earnest. he simply wore the traditional kabuki mask, pro forma
1177448;1435329931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20516 @ 0.00040606 = 8.3307 BTC [-] {2} 
1177449;1435329936;mircea_popescu;you're saying this as if their 0.5.4 has any bearing on anything.
1177450;1435329978;asciilifeform;depends what means 'any bearing'
1177451;1435329998;mircea_popescu;looky, there's very little point in constantly rehashing this particular form of learned helplessness thing you got going. i don't work that way, i never worked that way, it doesn't in any sense work. it can be a quaint curiosity if you wish, a peculiarity of a peculiar gentleman if oyu must. it can never be more than that and it can never have any impact or meaning in the world.
1177452;1435330035;mircea_popescu;one wallace loh is going to be confronted with the particularly unpleasant dilemma of either saying "yeah mp was right, they were usg all along" or else fucking up an assistant.
1177453;1435330045;mircea_popescu;he fucks up assistant profs for breakfast, it's his job.
1177454;1435330070;mircea_popescu;and the rest of the "rogue gallery" will be confronted with the unpleasant dilemma that they're in the trenches, and either continue or get shot or else withdraw and get shot.
1177455;1435330074;mircea_popescu;win win and bang bang all around.
1177456;1435330130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only reason the usg-tronic 'department of fucking with bitcoin' is even theoretically of interest is that the machine isn't perfect. has some rust, sand in gears (as discussed, e.g., yesterday, re: mempool etc.) in effect there is a $maxint bounty by hitler for anyone who can demonstrably amplify the hiccups.
1177457;1435330156;mircea_popescu;more imporantly : every bureaucrat, no matter how low ranking, has an identical bureaucrat clone ready to take over, revving in a corner.
1177458;1435330159;asciilifeform;not trying to frame this as a calamity, but as a force of nature
1177459;1435330164;asciilifeform;can the roof keep out the rain ?
1177460;1435330167;mircea_popescu;this is a fact. it's to be used, to hurt THE PEOPLE involved.
1177461;1435330180;mircea_popescu;for all their pretense, they're people. they cry, they hurt, they get hungry and desperate.
1177462;1435330193;mircea_popescu;this is why "no committee". get the names, ruin their lives, let them be replaced.
1177463;1435330206;asciilifeform;why would prof. lysenko here get desperate unless the cheques start bouncing ?
1177464;1435330212;mircea_popescu;we're not at war with the united states government. we're at war with the people making it up. governments don't exist, people do.
1177465;1435330282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if memory serves, rarely has there been a more effectual bureaucrat than yezhov
1177466;1435330289;mircea_popescu;his fucking pictures started bouncing at some point.
1177467;1435330291;mircea_popescu;how ? why ?
1177468;1435330357;asciilifeform;yezhov's was a complicated matter. in the sense that he wasn't 100% 'pet', showed signs of being willing and able to bite stalin. so had to go.
1177469;1435330358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0004123 = 3.1541 BTC [+]
1177470;1435330373;mircea_popescu;pff.
1177471;1435330382;asciilifeform;replaced with 'pet' (who, yes, may have pulled a borgia on poor old master. but quietly)
1177472;1435330462;mod6;i generated some quick doxygen stuff... lemme put it up somewhere quick so you can look and see if it's ok.
1177473;1435330520;asciilifeform;mod6: i must confess that i never once actually used 'doxygen' for anything. but saw the page linked yesterday, and it (at least if viewed in graphical www browser) does some nifty things, like unraveling class inheritances
1177474;1435330544;asciilifeform;(though i am not certain if it does so automagically or needs embedded annotations that we lack)
1177475;1435330624;asciilifeform;re: the umd wankatron: i will add a potentially interesting detail:
1177476;1435330648;mircea_popescu;doxygen's a standard pretty much
1177477;1435330650;asciilifeform;it is SOP for course www to remain unchanged until new syllabus is written (if and when the course is read again)
1177478;1435330671;asciilifeform;so that thing may well stay up for a while, and no one ought to be surprised that it features a now-defunct chumpatron
1177479;1435330696;mircea_popescu;it's archived, of course.
1177480;1435330700;asciilifeform;naturally.
1177481;1435330734;asciilifeform;just pointing out that the turtle is not by pure accident the symbol of that university, and life moves very slowly there.
1177482;1435330757;mircea_popescu;it should be spilled milk. why should they be able to "change" ?
1177483;1435330759;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em.
1177484;1435330769;asciilifeform;it will be interesting to see when the linked page vanishes.
1177485;1435330786;*;pete_dushenski smells bitbet prop
1177486;1435330819;mod6;asciilifeform: ahh. ok well take a look at this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/index.html
1177487;1435330820;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1RD4Zi6 )
1177488;1435330853;asciilifeform;pretty neat
1177489;1435330871;asciilifeform;esp. in comparison with the turdmeisters' copy, which is so bloated it makes my browser cry
1177490;1435330896;asciilifeform;mod6: if you have time, consider putting up a second copy of this, but loaded with the 'bleeding' version
1177491;1435330900;asciilifeform;(thermonukes, etc.)
1177492;1435330936;mod6;all the way up through the IRC demolition?
1177493;1435330939;asciilifeform;aha
1177494;1435330966;mircea_popescu;in other news, it looks like (fingers crossed) might have seed up today.
1177495;1435330973;asciilifeform;that's the version that i'm considering for public seed box, and it would be helpful to folks reviewing
1177496;1435330984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato!
1177497;1435330986;mod6;asciilifeform: lemme see what i can do.
1177498;1435330993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's a mighty fast sync.
1177499;1435331020;*;asciilifeform imagines mircea_popescu syncing his node from pdp11 tape reels
1177500;1435331042;mircea_popescu;lol
1177501;1435331112;mod6;do you want me to add in the { Gentoo Sanity } patches as well?
1177502;1435331125;asciilifeform;aha
1177503;1435331132;mod6;alrighty.
1177504;1435331133;asciilifeform;these work now ?
1177505;1435331144;asciilifeform;as in, can produce static binary ?
1177506;1435331181;mod6;well they work in the context that these files compile without /those/ specific problems (i.e. namespace problems with boost), but we still have the gcc/uclibc issue.
1177507;1435331188;mircea_popescu;^
1177508;1435331199;asciilifeform;mod6: which issue? where linker barfs ?
1177509;1435331205;mod6;yes. that.
1177510;1435331207;mircea_popescu;poor guy, my heart goes out. "does this work ? " "well it works in the sense it takes the shit out of the soup. puss is sitll there."
1177511;1435331207;asciilifeform;ah
1177512;1435331223;mod6;just compiled it like 20 minutes ago again with my newest gentoo, still barfs.
1177513;1435331235;mod6;/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
1177514;1435331240;mod6;same thing.
1177515;1435331259;asciilifeform;mod6: have you tried building a minimal 'hello world' with pthreads under uclibc ?
1177516;1435331263;asciilifeform;see if same thing
1177517;1435331272;mod6;naw, haven't tried yet.
1177518;1435331288;asciilifeform;i'd like to know which uclibc actually supports pthreads
1177519;1435331294;mod6;i'll see if i can get to that here sometime today.
1177520;1435331303;asciilifeform;(because we know that it does. threading is used in a number of proggies which come with 'buildroot')
1177521;1435331322;asciilifeform;iirc
1177522;1435331322;mod6;ah
1177523;1435331336;*;asciilifeform bbl
1177524;1435331369;mircea_popescu;mod6 granted i'm rusty, but why are you making a shared object ?
1177525;1435331376;mircea_popescu;isn't that dynamically linked by definition ?
1177526;1435331564;mod6;i think that's referring to uclibc which is an .so perhaps
1177527;1435331591;mircea_popescu;have you ever tried putting the actual uclibc source in there and trying a full bore static ?
1177528;1435331610;mod6;/lib/libuClibc-0.9.33.2.so
1177529;1435331634;mircea_popescu;my mind boggles that indeed source there present the compile should fail. i mean... copy / paste it in your own project for chryssakes, if ti comes to it, wtf is this.
1177530;1435331676;mod6;yeah, im not really sure.
1177531;1435331696;mod6;im getting to the point of 'out of my depth'
1177532;1435331744;mircea_popescu;i'm not better, tbh.
1177533;1435331818;mod6;i've tried like 3 different versions of gcc, with and without my special gcc patch shoehorned in, 2 different versions of uclibc.  not quite sure what to think yet.
1177534;1435331843;mod6;im sure i'll get it figured out.
1177535;1435331945;mod6;here's the error along with the rest of the compilation of the source files from ~30 minutes ago: http://dpaste.com/2CT2N23.txt
1177536;1435331946;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RD9JEs )
1177537;1435331979;pete_dushenski;mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ?
1177538;1435332028;pete_dushenski;i was working from 0.0.5 yesterday on debian 7 and all was going well until i had to edit/add 'auth.sh'
1177539;1435332062;pete_dushenski;which is entirely my own thing to figure out, the instructions are clear
1177540;1435332073;mircea_popescu;what's -fPic anyway
1177541;1435332085;pete_dushenski;mod6: just wondering if new 'guide' is available or forthcoming
1177542;1435332158;pete_dushenski;i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4
1177543;1435332185;pete_dushenski;might as well take advantage of the extra eyeballs
1177544;1435332207;mircea_popescu;mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ?
1177545;1435332310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0004048 = 2.6919 BTC [-] {2} 
1177546;1435332322;mod6; <+pete_dushenski> mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ? << nope. that version should cover everything up through the v0.5.3.1 release.
1177547;1435332337;mod6;But, it's probably just easier to download the tarball yourself and extract.
1177548;1435332364;pete_dushenski;mod6: sounds good. thx !
1177549;1435332369;mod6;Now, for all the patches that have been submitted post-release, you need to apply those patches directly from the mailing list.  No guide as of yet.
1177550;1435332402;mod6;There will be an update at somepoint once patches are ratified and a new milestone rolled.
1177551;1435332442;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4 << We're not there yet.
1177552;1435332450;mod6;But anyone is welcome to patch on their own.
1177553;1435332471;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ? << yeah, worth a shot.
1177554;1435332519;pete_dushenski;mod6: mkay. standing by then.
1177555;1435332682;mod6;asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:
1177556;1435332746;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3K00CQD.txt
1177557;1435332748;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RDdiuq )
1177558;1435332790;mod6;anyway, will check back into that in a bit... maybe i did something weird. but i'm pretty sure it was the correct order.
1177559;1435333059;mod6;while trying to figure out how to set "BUILD_SHARED_LIBS=false" or something, i ran into this; www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2006-October/011418.html
1177560;1435333133;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ?
1177561;1435333144;mircea_popescu;seems to have been a "for free" acquisition, "just pay us our salaries"
1177562;1435333169;mircea_popescu;nfi what "hyperledger" even is or was supposed to be, looks like pure accounting fraud but what do i know
1177563;1435333186;ben_vulpes;"bits of proof"?
1177564;1435333231;mircea_popescu;some derpy start-up thing. cointerra scammers "acquired", except not really.
1177565;1435333254;mircea_popescu;apparently was still somehow owned by the ceo.
1177566;1435333258;ben_vulpes;hm. i was thinking about some java btc thinger.
1177567;1435333267;mircea_popescu;imagine, principals misrepresenting themselves as "CEO"s.
1177568;1435333347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62000 @ 0.00038959 = 24.1546 BTC [-] {3} 
1177569;1435333512;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, july looks to be a banner month
1177570;1435333538;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1177571;1435333559;ben_vulpes;~7 humans in office at full time
1177572;1435333624;ben_vulpes;and there are like 2 other deals with 2-3 people apiece that have yet to die on me
1177573;1435333832;mircea_popescu;time to get your very own receptionist.
1177574;1435334001;mircea_popescu;"Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.
1177575;1435334002;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
1177576;1435334005;mircea_popescu;i had no idea.
1177577;1435334041;mircea_popescu;so basically they invented this system where they whore the kids out for free during the one time in their life when they're actually peak shape, for which reason ncaa made 1bn in ad revenue in 2012 to the professional league's 500mn.
1177578;1435334053;mircea_popescu;and since all this extra money exists, it gotta go somewhere, adn well... why not the coach ?
1177579;1435334078;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> what's -fPic anyway << position independant coe: Generated machine code is not dependant on located at a specific memory address to work.  for example in the asm a jump can be to relitive address [ jne CURRENT+10 ] as opposed to say [ jne 0xDEADBEEF ]
1177580;1435334091;mod6;s/coe/code
1177581;1435334122;mircea_popescu;hm
1177582;1435334182;mod6;so a shared lib would be able to modfiy/change the addresses as needed to where the lib is loaded into memory.
1177583;1435334275;mod6;( for the example [ jne CURRENT+10 ] ), and for the non -fPIC code, the compiler will set these to specific memory addresses.
1177584;1435334297;mod6;i.e. ( [ jne 0xdeadbeef ]
1177585;1435334360;mircea_popescu;well, i'm out of my depth as you say, but it seems to me that importing the whole code into your own project and compiling it statically instead of creating shared libraries is the bedrock solution.
1177586;1435334362;mod6;To be clear, shared libs /should/ be using -fPIC.  If I understand this correctly.
1177587;1435334367;mircea_popescu;it should yes
1177588;1435334432;mod6;Ah... ok, i think I'm coming to some understanding here.  I guess I didn't get that you were saying to compile uclibc /statically/ under our own project just the same as we have say, openssl or boost or bdb?
1177589;1435334502;mircea_popescu;right ?
1177590;1435334504;mircea_popescu;what else to do ?
1177591;1435334521;mod6;yeah, certainly could be something to this.
1177592;1435334559;mod6;I wouldn't have thought that we'd have to include a statically built linker...
1177593;1435334574;mircea_popescu;me either, but again, what's to do ?
1177594;1435334586;mircea_popescu;in any other case this would be a bulbously ugly hack, but here, it actually changes nothing
1177595;1435334596;mircea_popescu;seeing how the pogo will have to run nothing else anyway
1177596;1435334614;mod6;You'd think a linker should be able to produce a statically linked binary, weather itself is dynamcially built or statically built.
1177597;1435334689;mircea_popescu;you'd think many things
1177598;1435334714;mod6;haha. true.
1177599;1435334717;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, bitcoin on pogo seems destined to end up melded in the kernel anyway, so this is just a sooner/higher up the tree merge than we expected.
1177600;1435334811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041313 = 8.056 BTC [+] {2} 
1177601;1435335054;mats;http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gay-marriage-and-other-major-rulings-at-the-supreme-court/2015/06/25/ef75a120-1b6d-11e5-bd7f-4611a60dd8e5_story.html
1177602;1435335055;assbot; Supreme Court rules gay couples nationwide have a right to marry - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhWo3R )
1177603;1435335107;pete_dushenski;relevant: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177269
1177604;1435335107;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 06:26:20; mircea_popescu: iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.
1177605;1435335206;mats;https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/R4LRQKzj
1177606;1435335207;assbot;Pastebin | IRCCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlylUE )
1177607;1435335353;jurov;i don't see any point for merging bitcoind to the kernel
1177608;1435335424;jurov;and why you try so hard to have it statically linked?
1177609;1435335433;mircea_popescu;the "kernel" only makes sense as a concept if multiple things are being run. if you can fully specify all the code that will run on the machine, that set of all the code IS the kernel.
1177610;1435335516;mircea_popescu;that's exactly the problem with system-d, in other words.
1177611;1435335570;*;shinohai needs to learn gentoo or something.
1177612;1435335648;decimation;lol read Scalia's dissent
1177613;1435335660;mircea_popescu;yeah, great read. what's it worth ?
1177614;1435335661;decimation;"So it is not of special importance to me what the law says about mar- riage. It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today?s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."
1177615;1435335678;decimation;nothing
1177616;1435335694;mircea_popescu;the one time they stole people's money in the 30s, there was some guy dissenting on the supreme court.
1177617;1435335697;mircea_popescu;what of it ?
1177618;1435335706;mircea_popescu;scalia's next step is to burn down the supreme court.
1177619;1435335715;decimation;it's a good point
1177620;1435335740;mircea_popescu;tons of people showed over the years before that same court "your honor i'm terribly sorry i stole and i am not going to do one damned thing about it".
1177621;1435335744;mircea_popescu;now it's his turn.
1177622;1435335754;decimation;"This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected commit- tee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extrav- agant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most im- portant liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves."
1177623;1435335768;decimation;if he was consistent, he would be leading the next revolution I guess
1177624;1435335892;decimation;"With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them?with each decision that is unabash- edly based not on law, but on the ?reasoned judgment? of a bare majority of this Court?we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence."
1177625;1435335908;decimation;apparently he's reminded of his impotence
1177626;1435336005;mircea_popescu;the us supreme court, along with the entire institutionalised hypocrisy system it represents, has no particular relevancy to the settlement of any point. it'd be about the same to ask them as to ask perez hilton.
1177627;1435336034;decimation;well, that point became clear with the obamacare decision yesterday
1177628;1435336039;mircea_popescu;should probably stick to discerning which fashions are fashionable and which are not, change the verbiage to "that's hot!" etc.
1177629;1435336050;mircea_popescu;maybe revise the uniform to include small dogs.
1177630;1435336089;decimation;actually I think it would be interesting if a state said 'fuck you, we ain't havin gay marriage'
1177631;1435336161;mircea_popescu;that'd be outright secession.
1177632;1435336171;mircea_popescu;it's what it comes down to. "we do not recognise the supreme court"
1177633;1435336176;decimation;this whole thing reminds me of the bicker in the parlements before the french revolution
1177634;1435336252;decimation;mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'
1177635;1435336262;decimation;but if that's true, what kind of 'legitimacy' would this be?
1177636;1435336287;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what the man would say, and i haven't asked him because i don't give a flying fuck what he thinks
1177637;1435336291;mircea_popescu;on this or any other topic.
1177638;1435336312;decimation;unfortunately, there are millions of people in the us who adopt these fashions as law
1177639;1435336330;mircea_popescu;"(2) The history of marriage is one of both continuity and change.
1177640;1435336331;mircea_popescu;"
1177641;1435336331;mircea_popescu;herp.
1177642;1435336336;mircea_popescu;fgucking unreadable, this crud.
1177643;1435336344;chetty;the ripple effect will be interesting
1177644;1435336348;mircea_popescu;unfortunately for whom and why'd i care.
1177645;1435336414;decimation;ironically scalia himself is reduced to mocking the text too
1177646;1435336430;decimation;"Rights, we are told, can ?rise . . . from a better informed understanding of how constitutional imperatives define a liberty that remains urgent in our own era.?24 (Huh? How can a better informed under- standing of how constitutional imperatives [whatever that means] define [whatever that means] an urgent liberty [never mind], give birth to a right?) "
1177647;1435336531;mircea_popescu;urgent liberty lmao.
1177648;1435336535;mircea_popescu;sounds like someone needed to pee.
1177649;1435336596;mircea_popescu;why does all this crap read exactly alike, like the same uncultured louts wrote it all ? from reddit to gavin's "opinions" to the scotus majority opinion, all written by the same thirty year old hands that never read anything but summaries of summaries and never did anything whatsoever at all ?
1177650;1435336638;mircea_popescu;you can tell what sort of people you're dealing with by the sort of rhetorics they favour. and this sort is pretty sad altogether.
1177651;1435336668;decimation;and the peak of 'libertarian' achievement is to place someone like scalia on the court to old-man rant about what's going wrong
1177652;1435336738;mircea_popescu;he was appointed by reagan if memory serves, and i don't see reagan would think much of your "libertarian achievement"
1177653;1435336747;decimation;no, probably not
1177654;1435336765;decimation;of course, roberts was placed on the court after everyone shouted down bush's idea to place his personal lawyer on the court
1177655;1435336776;decimation;she probably would have made better decisions, not giving much of a fuck about gov't interest
1177656;1435336777;chetty;roberts is one of regans biggest failures
1177657;1435336784;decimation;no roberts was bush
1177658;1435336803;decimation;you are thinking of souter
1177659;1435336814;chetty;oh guess history is starting to run together ... sigh
1177660;1435336819;decimation;nope, souter was bush the father
1177661;1435336825;chetty;ah yes, soute, bah
1177662;1435336833;decimation;kennedy
1177663;1435336842;decimation;he was a reagan appointee
1177664;1435336877;chetty;being on the court surely seems to poison a lot
1177665;1435336902;decimation;I'm sure they get big important visitors every day telling them about the serious consequences of their decisions
1177666;1435336913;decimation;I'm not sure how one would retain contact with reality
1177667;1435336929;chetty;and maybe a little nsa arm twisting
1177668;1435336932;mircea_popescu;by not giving a shit.
1177669;1435337006;decimation;actually scalia threatened the nsa along those lines
1177670;1435337039;decimation;http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-03-24/nsa-spying-case-at-the-supreme-court-ooh-says-scalia
1177671;1435337040;assbot;NSA Spying Case at the Supreme Court? "Ooh," Says Scalia - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/1BSAnYh )
1177672;1435337056;decimation;"Despite his intellectual interest in the application of the Fourth Amendment to the conduct of the NSA, he considers it ?stupid? to assume that the Supreme Court will have the last word on whether contemporary surveillance practices are appropriate. Why? Because the judicial branch is the ?least competent? arm of government to evaluate the effectiveness and need for intrusive electronic spying. ?The Supreme Court doesn?t know diddly,
1177673;1435337126;mats;hm, terror incidents on three continents
1177674;1435337158;mats;Daesh is coming.
1177675;1435337177;mats;http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/africa/tunisia-terror-attack
1177676;1435337181;assbot;Terror attacks on 3 continents, including 28 in Tunisia - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxyWLe )
1177677;1435337181;mats;http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/bomb-strikes-shiite-mosque-kuwait-32044671
1177678;1435337183;assbot;IS Affiliate Hits Shiite Mosque in Kuwait, Killing 25 People - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxyX1N )
1177679;1435337190;mats;http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/europe/france-attack
1177680;1435337192;assbot;France terror attack: One beheaded, Hollande says - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxyY5L )
1177681;1435337313;decimation;people drive cars into buildings all the time
1177682;1435337448;mircea_popescu;lol is the qntra rabbit eating contraband ?
1177683;1435337567;mircea_popescu;<decimation> in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too" << more like pure tim swansonism, "why should i have to do what i'm told", but anyways.
1177684;1435337794;mircea_popescu;;;ud daesh
1177685;1435337795;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Daesh | Sep 24, 2014 ... Fabius argued that since IS is not Islamic and absolutely not a state, he said "... the Arabs call it Daesh..." (from Arabic "to tread upon", ...
1177686;1435337877;mircea_popescu;" She said she is staying about a mile from the main attack scene, but visitors there still took precautions by putting mattresses up against the door to slow any gunmen who might try to barge in."
1177687;1435337898;mircea_popescu;lulzy, the maggots taking measures against the woodpeckers that might be coming in
1177688;1435337904;mircea_popescu;"we put a walnut shell in the way!"
1177689;1435337929;mircea_popescu;must be a pretty fun, exciting and fun vacation for the jwz's in question.
1177690;1435338112;mircea_popescu;The RT network, Kusturica says, is destroying the “Hollywood-CNN stereotype of the good and bad guys, where blacks, Hispanics, Russians, Serbs are the villains, and white Americans, wherever you look, are OK!”
1177691;1435338113;mircea_popescu;heh.
1177692;1435338178;mircea_popescu;"'Nuclear war our likely future': Russia & China won't accept US hegemony, Reagan official warns" << they are pretty good at the propaganda angle.
1177693;1435338310;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1177694;1435338367;mod6;ascii_field: here's a sample hello-world with pthreads: http://dpaste.com/29G0ZT0.txt
1177695;1435338368;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxD1iH )
1177696;1435338396;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1177697;1435338402;mod6;nice
1177698;1435338433;mod6;not sure if you caught this:
1177699;1435338441;mod6;<+mod6> ascii_field: here's a sample hello-world with pthreads: http://dpaste.com/29G0ZT0.txt
1177700;1435338442;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxDgtR )
1177701;1435338459;ascii_field;mod6: -lpthread
1177702;1435338461;ascii_field;where is it
1177703;1435338463;mod6;our make file has -lpthread in there.
1177704;1435338471;ascii_field;aha there
1177705;1435338484;ascii_field;hm
1177706;1435338601;mod6;mircea_popescu suggested that we should build uclibc statically itself inside of our bitcoin bundle.
1177707;1435338627;ascii_field;mod6: thing is, at least for pogo, ~whole shebang~ is to be built 'inside bundle'
1177708;1435338629;ascii_field;including own compiler
1177709;1435338635;ascii_field;that's sorta how it works
1177710;1435338805;mod6;so gcc as well then.
1177711;1435338810;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177542 << there is no 0.5.4 as of yet
1177712;1435338810;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 15:22:38; pete_dushenski: i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4
1177713;1435338871;mod6;ascii_field: ok, i guess i didn't get that part about gcc/uclibc being in there with openssl/boost/bdb.
1177714;1435338972;mod6;oh, forgot to add in the ldd output for that pthread test: http://dpaste.com/33KYWZ4.txt
1177715;1435338973;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkyPsd )
1177716;1435338977;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177574 << widely known. the one here gets >1M pretax
1177717;1435338977;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 15:53:21; mircea_popescu: "Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.
1177718;1435339021;mircea_popescu;well im not from around there. lulz of all time, rich coaches.
1177719;1435339049;mod6;bread & circuses
1177720;1435339059;ascii_field;^
1177721;1435339079;ascii_field;(it is also widely known that the sport program at virtually all american universities is cash-negative)
1177722;1435339091;mircea_popescu;how's that work ?
1177723;1435339094;ascii_field;but this function has been outsourced to them, much like writing code for nsa has been
1177724;1435339124;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it works the same way the english literature department works, just with five extra zeroes on both sides of the balance sheet
1177725;1435339136;mircea_popescu;lol
1177726;1435339321;mod6;ascii_field: oh, i did have an issue patching in that last IRC demo patch.... im gonna try it again, but it complained about net.cpp:ThreadGetMyExternalIP
1177727;1435339332;ascii_field;mod6: try the following sequence:
1177728;1435339338;mod6;(11:31) <+mod6> asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke,  orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:
1177729;1435339343;mod6;(11:32) <+mod6> http://dpaste.com/3K00CQD.txt
1177730;1435339344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkzPg1 )
1177731;1435339355;ascii_field;dnsseed_snipsnip,   orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar
1177732;1435339366;mod6;ok, i'll give that a shot here quick.
1177733;1435339381;ascii_field;the two i omitted are small and simple to merge back in when wanted.
1177734;1435339401;ascii_field;they are only needed for the static build system and so i left them out deliberately
1177735;1435339414;ascii_field;thinking that mod6 will roll them up into a 'static fix' patch
1177736;1435339483;mod6;hmm.
1177737;1435339485;mod6;maybe.
1177738;1435339555;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ? << NO idea about any of these parts yet
1177739;1435339579;mod6;<+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip,   orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << ok, yup, was able to extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and apply these four patches without incident.
1177740;1435339586;mircea_popescu;bits of proof not bits of pay.
1177741;1435339589;mircea_popescu;mah bad.
1177742;1435339611;ascii_field;mod6: there we go.
1177743;1435339623;mod6;do you want me to post the doxy for that as well then?
1177744;1435339654;ascii_field;what i suggested was to have two dox pages, one for 'proper release' and one for this.
1177745;1435339683;mod6;ah,ok
1177746;1435339813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83800 @ 0.00039801 = 33.3532 BTC [-] {3} 
1177747;1435339886;BingoBoingo;Ah
1177748;1435340136;mod6;ok try this out ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wDNSSnipAndOrphanagePatches/index.html
1177749;1435340137;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIPbR )
1177750;1435340160;ascii_field;mod6: irc.cpp is in there
1177751;1435340178;shinohai;the doxygen is slick
1177752;1435340185;mod6;<+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip,   orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << oh, well you didn' say it in here ;)
1177753;1435340190;ascii_field;l0l
1177754;1435340194;mod6;i'll take it down, and add the irc patch
1177755;1435340195;mod6;my bad.
1177756;1435340198;ascii_field;ty mod6
1177757;1435340230;shinohai;I still haven't done the irc patch. I need to stop being lazy
1177758;1435340249;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1177759;1435340275;ascii_field;shinohai: when you apply that patch, please be sure to read the instructions
1177760;1435340292;ascii_field;(bitcoind will need to be told your box's ip)
1177761;1435340307;shinohai;No problem, I don't want to break my sweet node xD
1177762;1435340386;trinque;ascii_field: mod6: would there be any benefit to trying to get an ARM version of this gentoo install going on the pogo?
1177763;1435340390;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177634 << l0l, guess which country invented 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (TM) (R)
1177764;1435340390;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 16:30:52; decimation: mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'
1177765;1435340395;trinque;I'm going to fiddle with my pogo this weekend anyway.
1177766;1435340396;mod6;weird, same problem: dpaste.com/05ZZ443.txt
1177767;1435340437;ascii_field;mod6: dpaste a copy of your net.cpp
1177768;1435340443;mod6;ok
1177769;1435340502;mod6;dpaste.com/0HMWFYN.txt
1177770;1435340551;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0N2VFMP << what the fuck is this novel braindamage.
1177771;1435340552;assbot;dpaste: 0N2VFMP ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkDrOV )
1177772;1435340552;mod6;(bbs)
1177773;1435340570;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: we did this here
1177774;1435340571;mircea_popescu;does curl actually ignore the -tsl flag or does the server go bonkos over ssl3 even being available at all or what the fuck is this
1177775;1435340576;mircea_popescu;anbd why should i be debugging it
1177776;1435340579;mircea_popescu;o we did ? what was it ?
1177777;1435340609;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1157780
1177778;1435340609;assbot;Logged on 09-06-2015 13:03:57; mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443
1177779;1435340614;ascii_field;and one other time, before, with phuctor
1177780;1435340625;ascii_field;(me trying to pull from sks somewhere)
1177781;1435340655;mircea_popescu;seems that's a different error and no solution was proffered
1177782;1435340659;mircea_popescu;or am i misreading ?
1177783;1435340670;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123271
1177784;1435340670;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 23:40:00; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure"
1177785;1435340701;trinque;pogo project deferred or what?
1177786;1435340709;mircea_popescu;ohhh right.
1177787;1435340712;mircea_popescu;damn.
1177788;1435340717;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123203
1177789;1435340717;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 22:20:53; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ERROR: certificate common name “keys.mattrude.com� doesn’t match requested host name “keyserver.mattrude.com� << when fetching fresh sks from dulap
1177790;1435340720;ascii_field;^ start of thread
1177791;1435340740;ascii_field;trinque: it can't fly until static build with uclibc
1177792;1435340749;trinque;ah k
1177793;1435340777;ascii_field;mod6: please post the net.cpp immediately prior to the failed patch
1177794;1435340788;ascii_field;(i have my own 0.5.3.1 release one)
1177795;1435340957;ascii_field;trinque: the fundamental problem with gentoo on pogo is that pogo is absolute misery to build ~anything~ on
1177796;1435340970;trinque;I've got crossdev set up on the lappy
1177797;1435340972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00038779 = 20.3978 BTC [-]
1177798;1435340975;ascii_field;then no need for gentoo on pogo
1177799;1435340978;ascii_field;straight to buildroot
1177800;1435340984;trinque;k
1177801;1435340999;decimation;re: football < it's also the case that professional us football uses the college teams as a 'farm system' for talent development, at taxpayer expense
1177802;1435341002;ascii_field;(which is sorta like gentoo but minus all of the 'daily use' building-new-progs-on-the-box scriptage (i.e. 'emerge')
1177803;1435341020;trinque;got it; I'll get more acquainted with that tool this weekend then.
1177804;1435341036;ascii_field;decimation: it's a farm for just about any kind of talent
1177805;1435341037;decimation;trinque:  why not try to use the newest gcc to see if that bug is fixed?
1177806;1435341060;decimation;ascii_field: but pro baseball has its own junior farm team system, don't need college
1177807;1435341096;decimation;if you guys need to build gcc as part of the whole package, why does it matter what debian uses
1177808;1435341098;trinque;decimation: so build the latest set of patches using whatever latest gcc?
1177809;1435341105;decimation;yeah, or try it
1177810;1435341114;decimation;it's possible the newest gcc fixes that one issue
1177811;1435341121;trinque;k
1177812;1435341124;decimation;with uclib static linking
1177813;1435341160;decimation;also you need to be careful with the c++ related linking shit
1177814;1435341172;decimation;the newest gcc might come with a newer version of the std c++ libs
1177815;1435341180;decimation;you probably need to force it to work with C++ 03
1177816;1435341209;decimation;since it is fashionable to change c++ every few years
1177817;1435342130;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1177818;1435342173;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/06/tsarnaev-1481.pdf << lulzy. ianal, but still had no idea that usa officially had 'total' forfeiture in penal code (i.e., not simply 'items used in connection with the crimes,' but ~everything the schmuck ever touched~)
1177819;1435342175;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxPQcE )
1177820;1435342217;mircea_popescu;sounds novel
1177821;1435342224;ascii_field;doesntit.
1177822;1435342238;ascii_field;cribbed straight from soviet penal code
1177823;1435342247;mircea_popescu;aye
1177824;1435342250;ascii_field;'конфи�каци� имуще�тва'
1177825;1435342264;mircea_popescu;the things the us will be remembered for are going to be so insulting to the historical usians...
1177826;1435342273;mircea_popescu;almost like the things soviet russia is remembered for
1177827;1435342280;mircea_popescu;or the third reich, for that matter.
1177828;1435342303;ascii_field;3rd reich 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to the things 4th reich will be remembered for
1177829;1435342322;ascii_field;(after all, 3rd 'died young and left a decent-looking corpse' - at least will be seen to have, in contrast!)
1177830;1435342367;ascii_field;for starters, 3rd never managed (or even attempted) the feat of turning ~an entire planet~ into its toilet
1177831;1435342425;ascii_field;3rd ran medical experiments on a few thousand prisoners, 4th - on 300+ million schmucks
1177832;1435342428;ascii_field;could go on.
1177833;1435342495;mircea_popescu;myeah
1177834;1435342583;ascii_field;the total confiscation thing pretty clearly wants to lay a foundation for 'condemned to cokemachine'
1177835;1435342625;mod6;oh i think i know what i missed.
1177836;1435342665;ascii_field;'...pursuant to rule 32.2(b)(3) of the federal rules of criminal procedure, the united states is hereby authorized to seize the forfeitable assets and maintain them in its secure custody and control.'
1177837;1435342672;mod6;the zap patches
1177838;1435342764;ascii_field;the 'not-a-real-journalist-so-forced-to-reveal-sources' case ('iphone 4' case, iirc) pretty much established precedent that 'inquest isn't punishment' iirc
1177839;1435342786;ascii_field;and torture is more or less legal by usg's own rules if you are proclaimed 'terrorist'
1177840;1435342790;ascii_field;so coke machine is not far.
1177841;1435342849;decimation;ascii_field: well so this is criminal forfeiture right?
1177842;1435342877;punkman;http://www.nature.com/news/why-the-devious-defecator-case-is-a-landmark-for-us-genetic-privacy-law-1.17857
1177843;1435342878;assbot;Why the 'devious defecator' case is a landmark for US genetic-privacy law : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxRVp3 )
1177844;1435342883;ascii_field;decimation: aha. what i was getting at is that there will be, in the near future, a very entertaining verdict somewhere,
1177845;1435342901;ascii_field;where 'if he locked it in a safe, u.s. marshals may break the safe. if he locked it in his brain, same'
1177846;1435342907;decimation;ascii_field: note that this is another amusing joke on the magna carta, in its 800th year
1177847;1435342921;ascii_field;'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke
1177848;1435342932;trinque;ascii_field: yep, will involve some kind of "cyber terrorism" scenario maybe
1177849;1435342948;decimation;"
1177850;1435342950;decimation;(20) For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the assessment on oath of reputa
1177851;1435342977;trinque;^sounds like fag talk
1177852;1435342980;ascii_field;trinque: not only this, but i also predict specifically that an automated (i.e. robotic, as in 'coke machine') system of interrogation and 'incentivization' will be specifically permitted by u.s. law
1177853;1435343004;trinque;heh, shittier robocop
1177854;1435343009;decimation;peices are already there with road tickets
1177855;1435343011;ascii_field;for simple questions like 'enter brainwallet pw' this requires no heroic tech
1177856;1435343011;trinque;it checks out
1177857;1435343015;decimation;'justice by mail'
1177858;1435343046;decimation;ascii_field: the move 'elysium' featured this
1177859;1435343053;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-06-2015#1174350 << thread, for anyone who missed it
1177860;1435343053;assbot;Logged on 24-06-2015 17:28:42; ascii_field: it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine
1177861;1435343060;ascii_field;decimation: i must admit, never saw that film
1177862;1435343061;decimation;matt daemon was grabbed, shook down by police robot
1177863;1435343066;ascii_field;but it's a rather obvious idea imho
1177864;1435343128;trinque;the thing which sways my expectations away from such things is the seeming inevitability of a financial collapse
1177865;1435343144;ascii_field;collapse only changes ~who~ will be placing ~whom~ in the machine
1177866;1435343145;decimation;yeah. Steve Sailer thinks that Neill Blomkamp is pushing 'reactionary' plots into his movies, but dressing them up in such a way as to make them palatable to liber-tards
1177867;1435343149;ascii_field;not whether the machine is built
1177868;1435343158;ascii_field;or whether folks will grunt their last in it
1177869;1435343163;trinque;maybe so
1177870;1435343173;ascii_field;and, imho, doesn't change it very much
1177871;1435343233;trinque;presupposes that the guy put into the machine is using something like bitcoin, doesn't it?
1177872;1435343236;trinque;most wont be
1177873;1435343243;decimation;the plot of the movie is that the us turns into shitty third world, and 'actual people' escape to space stations.  the plot has some silly shit about helping out the little people, but I think Blomkamp's real point is "start building the space station today"
1177874;1435343268;ascii_field;trinque: the gedankenexperiment specifically concerns bitcoin or any similar mechanism where answer from the 'patient' is instantly verifiable by machine
1177875;1435343327;trinque;if the proportion of people using bitcoin stays small, I'd more expect holders to find themselves attacked in their own homes at night
1177876;1435343331;ascii_field;decimation: again i have not seen this film, but it appears to have the usual nonsensical proviso that the 'space station' is a physical place which the plebes might hope to overrun and devour
1177877;1435343350;ascii_field;in actual fact, the space station is right here on earth. mircea_popescu, for instance, lives in it
1177878;1435343375;*;trinque will always fantasize about heading a couple million miles any which way
1177879;1435343385;trinque;maybe when I'm 90
1177880;1435343402;decimation;ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al will some day confront someone else who lays claim to their property in some way
1177881;1435343408;decimation;it will be interesting to see the result
1177882;1435343448;ascii_field;trinque: see mircea_popescu's observation about 'money/power' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204
1177883;1435343448;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
1177884;1435343510;ascii_field;eventually major btc holders will operate in ways similar to the character 'raven' from neal stephenson's 'snow crash'
1177885;1435343520;ascii_field;who went around in a motorcycle with a sidecar containing hbomb
1177886;1435343522;trinque;ascii_field: I see the point; if a fighter jet is not just itself but the entire apparatus which sustains its operation, all the more a space ship/station
1177887;1435343532;ascii_field;trigger tied to a vital signs monitor
1177888;1435343540;ascii_field;(if you're within 10km of his death, you're vapour)
1177889;1435343545;ascii_field;if attempt capture - same
1177890;1435343602;mircea_popescu;decimation how is this not the case today ?
1177891;1435343606;ascii_field;at the low end of things, we can at the very least expect an uptick in popularity of sleeping with a frag grenade under your pillow.
1177892;1435343642;ascii_field;the only solution to this kind of problem is game-theoretical
1177893;1435343652;ascii_field;as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1175005
1177894;1435343652;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 01:52:34; mircea_popescu: oleander blosom sees to it that's the last time YOU're running anywhere.
1177895;1435343656;decimation;mircea_popescu: I don't recall you writing about confrontations with the local authorities over the amount of property owed to them?
1177896;1435343678;mircea_popescu;your original was "someone else".
1177897;1435343695;decimation;as in, 'the state or its agents'
1177898;1435343701;mircea_popescu;there's for instance an open confrontation wit hthe state of new york over who regulates bitcoin
1177899;1435343704;mircea_popescu;it already made a victim
1177900;1435343718;mircea_popescu;that's now trying shamelessly to make ends meet by selling "compliance services"
1177901;1435343744;mircea_popescu;plenty of examples.
1177902;1435343759;ascii_field;is that fella 'making ends meet' or laughing himself to death while stoking his furnace with piles of benjies and coke ?
1177903;1435343786;mircea_popescu;if i'm to ask you, the bug i crushed this moirning is laughing all the way to the toilet, too.
1177904;1435343786;*;ascii_field not personal chum of his, doesn't know
1177905;1435343793;ascii_field;l0l!
1177906;1435343796;mircea_popescu;in that "the argument could be brought"
1177907;1435343807;mircea_popescu;and that "hey, i don't see any dent in the bug population"
1177908;1435343810;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1177909;1435343824;mircea_popescu;but the question was as to any. there's multiple examples of any-es.
1177910;1435343830;ascii_field;well idk, but is lawsky living in a sewage pipe? or a house 50x the size of my hovel, with 'sleep ad libitum' ?
1177911;1435343839;ascii_field;this question at least hypothetically has an answer ?
1177912;1435343840;mircea_popescu;look him up next you're in ny.
1177913;1435343858;mircea_popescu;public servant, lower ranks. he lives in a closet.
1177914;1435343861;mircea_popescu;where does blasio live ?
1177915;1435343864;decimation;my point was the local state, the one who could most ably summon an army to throw in jail
1177916;1435343880;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as a "local state" however.
1177917;1435343958;decimation;I'm sure someone in buenos aires is sitting in jail
1177918;1435343977;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1177919;1435344011;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> 'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke << the only limit on government is terrorism. the us has it spelled out in the constitution, "since the only limit to government is a well armed, well organized group of domestic terrorists, people should bear arms"
1177920;1435344020;*;ascii_field recalls the b-a jail from voyage. it was a very old-fashioned, respectable-looking thing, at least by soviet standards. i'd not be ashamed to sit in it.
1177921;1435344038;mircea_popescu;the fact that the fat have neglected it doesn't change it. you can similarly neglect to change the oil in your car, this doesn't make the car oil changes "a thing of the past"
1177922;1435344065;ascii_field;;;google tree of liberty blood
1177923;1435344066;gribble;The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html>; The tree of liberty... - Jefferson Quotes & Family Letters - Monticello: <http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/100>; American Creation: Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty" Quote in Context: <http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2009/08/jeffersons- (1 more message)
1177924;1435344084;ascii_field;^ sound bite known to probably everyone who speaks engl.
1177925;1435344112;mircea_popescu;decimation on the jail it is spelled out "Para quién hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."
1177926;1435344121;ascii_field;aha
1177927;1435344132;ascii_field;though iirc this was a graffiti by the reds ?
1177928;1435344143;mircea_popescu;this is a country whose president had a prosecutor assasinated earlier this year.
1177929;1435344144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 4000 @ 0.00111 = 4.44 BTC
1177930;1435344152;mircea_popescu;local government indeed.
1177931;1435344198;decimation;amusingly, it seems usians take government far more seriously
1177932;1435344207;decimation;while simultaneously complaining of its overreach
1177933;1435344228;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> or whether folks will grunt their last in it << i am broadly unconvinced by your theory. there aren't equal sides confronting each other here. i, for one, could not care less for any secrets usg-tard thinks he has.
1177934;1435344233;mircea_popescu;welcome to take them to the grave, in silence.
1177935;1435344273;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what i meant was that i predict btc extraction to become a standard part of execution
1177936;1435344273;mircea_popescu;decimation the only reason the usg is its in present shape is the herd of bloviating hamplanets. nothing else.
1177937;1435344277;ascii_field;regardless of who/whom
1177938;1435344281;mircea_popescu;i don't.
1177939;1435344313;ascii_field;curious, why not?
1177940;1435344341;ascii_field;for instance, picture that you've caught herr karpeles
1177941;1435344342;mircea_popescu;the morally responsible is jwz, not bush not anyone else. yes the president is getting beheaded, that's how symbolics work. and it is the job  and the duty of the politico class to play the goat.
1177942;1435344354;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the guilty is always jwz. and for the obvious reason, too. "only wanted to X"
1177943;1435344388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00039811 = 16.1633 BTC [+]
1177944;1435344395;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i am not actually profit motivated. i don't see catching her karpeles as a business, and i am not interested in doing it for a profit.
1177945;1435344413;mircea_popescu;similarly, morning';s bug would have gotten crushed equally had it promised to unveil the Bug Saphire for me.
1177946;1435344416;ascii_field;but if you had. and the contents of his sorry skin meant, say, five extra tank columns
1177947;1435344416;mircea_popescu;i dun care to have the bug saphire.
1177948;1435344418;ascii_field;that could be had
1177949;1435344436;mircea_popescu;the republic lives on deficits anyway.
1177950;1435344444;mircea_popescu;you can have it for his weight in soap.
1177951;1435344509;decimation;!s jwz
1177952;1435344510;assbot;9 results for 'jwz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jwz
1177953;1435344515;decimation;do you me sjw?
1177954;1435344520;ascii_field;stalin, for instance, was not 'profit-motivated' by any measure. but did not refuse to pocket spanish republic's gold reserve.
1177955;1435344533;ascii_field;(into sov. pocket, not his own. important distinction)
1177956;1435344571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00041376 = 29.5425 BTC [+] {5} 
1177957;1435344612;mircea_popescu;no. i mean jwz. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043852
1177958;1435344612;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 02:23:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence.
1177959;1435344753;ascii_field;jwz has a very long history of being what he is.
1177960;1435344761;ascii_field;in case anyone didn't know
1177961;1435344807;mircea_popescu;what, a symbol for the unthinking fat ?
1177962;1435344844;mircea_popescu;it's basically what this is, neoteny of poor eating habits. "i wanna eat just the cream" "it's unhealthy" "nevertheless"
1177963;1435344852;shinohai;nice > "Para quién hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."
1177964;1435344852;ascii_field;as a remora
1177965;1435344856;ascii_field;sorta like eric raymond
1177966;1435344881;ascii_field;fella who is ~really good~ at attaching himself to the backs of 'happening' things
1177967;1435344884;decimation;I thought jwz gave up on 'tech' and opened nightclub
1177968;1435344893;ascii_field;i'm half-surprised he hasn't turned up 'in bitcoin'
1177969;1435344899;mircea_popescu;apparently you can never get out of the fucking digital mafia.
1177970;1435344933;decimation;about 99% of people 'in tech' carry his attitdue
1177971;1435344949;decimation;"we don't need to worry about politics, just do what must be done" ,etc
1177972;1435344958;mircea_popescu;everyone in the states does this
1177973;1435344963;ascii_field;decimation: yes, there aren't many who'd refuse going back in time to be butt-buddies with andreessen
1177974;1435344963;mircea_popescu;then they look at isis as "inexplicable"
1177975;1435344974;ascii_field;(not gavin, but marc)
1177976;1435344987;mircea_popescu;and putin doesn't understand how the world works, and so on.
1177977;1435345024;decimation;well, entire generations were raised under the assumption that the us is in an overwhelming position of power w.r.t. the world
1177978;1435345030;mircea_popescu;this is what memory hole effect is, too. "but they told me when i was five that it's ok to only turn my brain on if i hear a certain magic word"
1177979;1435345034;mircea_popescu;ya baby. totally.
1177980;1435345053;decimation;^ also because those generations were raised by usg
1177981;1435345057;mircea_popescu;alf is worried about connected machinery behaving strangely if it gets magic packet
1177982;1435345066;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the citizenry behaves strangely if it DOESNT get it.
1177983;1435345081;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: in popular parlance, this is called 'fnord' iirc
1177984;1435345088;ascii_field;although with a flipped sign bit
1177985;1435345112;ascii_field;(iirc term came from same tale as the original lizardhitler)
1177986;1435345115;mircea_popescu;dronf ?
1177987;1435345124;ascii_field;l0l
1177988;1435345145;mircea_popescu;as in "then the drones kept derping and dronfing about who knows what"
1177989;1435345203;ascii_field;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski << pediwik has surprisingly minimally-sycophantic sum-up of jwz's life and times
1177990;1435345204;assbot;Jamie Zawinski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7h3V )
1177991;1435345214;decimation;he probably edited it
1177992;1435345230;mircea_popescu;who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?
1177993;1435345243;mircea_popescu;dude sold some bullshit news service to a bullshit media corp (yahoo maybe ?) for a billion
1177994;1435345252;mircea_popescu;and kept losing money off of it like a gas giant
1177995;1435345277;mod6;ok ascii_field: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/index.html
1177996;1435345278;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7mEU )
1177997;1435345300;ascii_field;mod6: neato!
1177998;1435345323;mod6;it's a goof-ball way to put in all the patches applied, but that link show's all the patches and how I applied them.
1177999;1435345335;mod6;*shows
1178000;1435345345;ascii_field;wai wat
1178001;1435345351;ascii_field;it has highlighting of patches ?
1178002;1435345352;ascii_field;where ?
1178003;1435345357;mod6;no no
1178004;1435345401;mod6;so at the top of the screen it says "bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }
1178005;1435345401;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7qnY )
1178006;1435345405;ascii_field;ah
1178007;1435345426;mod6;that link in there shows which patches were used, and how they are applied. couldn't find a better way to do this at the moment.
1178008;1435345438;ascii_field;looking for the graphical class inheritance charts the enemy www had
1178009;1435345448;ascii_field;i can only guess those were produced via some other means ?
1178010;1435345452;mod6;i think i've seen it, one sec.
1178011;1435345523;ascii_field;btw, here's an idea for later, abolition of the remaining wxisms, e.g., http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/noui_8h.html#a19035390d489756989573cfa572bbde7
1178012;1435345524;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/noui.h File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7vIp )
1178013;1435345533;ascii_field;yes, after the thing runs
1178014;1435345536;ascii_field;(as mircea_popescu will remind us)
1178015;1435345554;ascii_field;but that crud clutters up the source and makes my eyes bleed.
1178016;1435345582;mod6;yeah, i don't like that either.
1178017;1435345588;mircea_popescu;indeed removal of all crud is a beloved goal, and how this adventure even begun if you recall
1178018;1435345593;ascii_field;aha
1178019;1435345594;mircea_popescu;we're trying to save the trees over here.
1178020;1435345597;*;ascii_field remembers very well
1178021;1435345597;mod6;i think it just ends up munging all of the file names and stuff.
1178022;1435345608;*;ascii_field still just wants his fscking b00k!
1178023;1435345620;mircea_popescu;ya somehow i thought you'd remember :D
1178024;1435345627;mircea_popescu;apparently you're not old enough to need books yet
1178025;1435345641;ascii_field;re: wx: it is in fact out, but sits behind a bunch of empty #ifdefs
1178026;1435345649;mod6;so far, all i see are hierarchal graphs for base-classes/types.  was trying to find something for CBlock, but I don't as of yet, see a graph.
1178027;1435345758;mod6;like they have: [CBase58Data] <--- [CBitcoinAddress]
1178028;1435345761;mod6;that type of thing.
1178029;1435345787;mod6;if you show me what enemy has via link, maybe i can replicate it?
1178030;1435345789;ascii_field;re: jwz: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#972750 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-04-2015#1094056
1178031;1435345789;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2015 04:32:13; asciilifeform: 'digerati', as i understand, encompasses a set of peculiarly wealthy ('dotcom boom', normally, but often barnacled to this or that mega-corp success of some vaguely computerized sort 1980-2000)
1178032;1435345789;assbot;Logged on 09-04-2015 20:03:03; ascii_field: i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati'
1178033;1435345791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00041747 = 5.0305 BTC [+]
1178034;1435345799;mod6;!up ascii_field
1178035;1435345830;ascii_field;mod6: https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/namespace_checkpoints.html << example
1178036;1435345842;mod6;ok thanks.
1178037;1435345846;ascii_field;the caller graphs
1178038;1435345849;ascii_field;specifically
1178039;1435345875;mod6;btw, do you like that tree on the left pane? i added that, can remove.
1178040;1435345908;mod6;oh ok, i see what you mean... yeah, i can try to get it to work on this side too.
1178041;1435345929;ascii_field;the tree is useful
1178042;1435345963;mod6;i kinda thought so too
1178043;1435346017;mod6;oh i found it.  CALL_GRAPH and CALLER_GRAPH were set to "NO" in the config file.
1178044;1435346020;mod6;lemme regenerate both.
1178045;1435346186;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yep node is actually starting up. will undergo some testing.
1178046;1435346306;ascii_field;neat!
1178047;1435346348;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/ksIVhJs.jpg
1178048;1435346348;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl8oAB )
1178049;1435346366;trinque;butt's shooped
1178050;1435346380;shinohai;sad
1178051;1435346386;mod6;huh, maybe those didn't do the trick...
1178052;1435346390;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6z4ejKXO01qktnjdo1_500.gif better.
1178053;1435346390;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl8rwj )
1178054;1435346390;*;mod6 keeps digging.
1178055;1435346490;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and, in case anyone forgot that bitcoind was written by the diagnosably retarded, we get to choose between syncing exclusively from mircea_popescu's node ('-connect' mode) and getting to serve blocks to anyone
1178056;1435346495;ascii_field;that is, can have one but not both
1178057;1435346505;mircea_popescu;i don't see the problem with serving blocks ?
1178058;1435346513;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1178059;1435346516;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: say i want to pull down chain from your node
1178060;1435346517;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah
1178061;1435346519;ascii_field;(would like to)
1178062;1435346527;ascii_field;in the process, my seed doesn't get to seed anyone.
1178063;1435346528;mircea_popescu;yes yes, it's counterintuitively stupid.
1178064;1435346538;ascii_field;it's riotously, enragingly stupid
1178065;1435346560;mircea_popescu;(the production trick to solve this : have two instances running, have them share the files, have one not write)
1178066;1435346569;mircea_popescu;just to get an idea of what stupid yields downstream
1178067;1435346641;ascii_field;if i had to predict, would say this does not work as written - threads do not have deterministic behaviour, and bitcoind is peppered with pointless locks
1178068;1435346660;ascii_field;whole thing is almost optimized for irreproducibility
1178069;1435346816;mod6;ok now im building the graphs, just needed to install graphviz
1178070;1435346876;mod6;there we go
1178071;1435346881;mod6;will post
1178072;1435347149;mod6;lol, this thing is 64Mb gzipped
1178073;1435347675;mod6;lol, so many files it exceeds the abilities of mv & cp...
1178074;1435347678;mod6;!up ascii_field
1178075;1435347874;mod6;ok
1178076;1435347892;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/index.html
1178077;1435347892;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbmoK )
1178078;1435347892;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/271FHF9
1178079;1435347894;assbot;dpaste: 271FHF9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbmoQ )
1178080;1435347894;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1178081;1435347901;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/271FHF9.txt
1178082;1435347902;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbmFt )
1178083;1435347903;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1178084;1435347909;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and anyone else interested ^
1178085;1435347920;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: neato!
1178086;1435347938;mod6;hey thanks mp!
1178087;1435347957;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i recommend also (assuming you haven't done this ages ago) doing equivalent of disabling debug.log rollover (plug in teletype into that pdp-11...)
1178088;1435347987;mircea_popescu;this, mind, is a mystery meat "mp-brand" bitcoind. iirc it identifies as 6.2
1178089;1435348002;mircea_popescu;it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
1178090;1435348003;ascii_field;well yes. but i am assuming it has some mechanism for keeping log
1178091;1435348006;ascii_field;(if not, ignore)
1178092;1435348033;mats;https://i.imgur.com/MePcKLj.jpg are you ready for the Islamic State Wrestling Federation
1178093;1435348034;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbwMX )
1178094;1435348040;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha wut
1178095;1435348066;mats;*john cena plays in the background*
1178096;1435348078;ascii_field;mats: source ?
1178097;1435348097;mats;not sure. one of my buddies linked it... prob one of the chans if i had to guess
1178098;1435348215;ascii_field;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3133238/ISIS-cage-death-Terror-group-forces-young-boys-wrestle-inside-giant-steel-ring-beats-sticks-train-generation-killers.html
1178099;1435348216;assbot;ISIS forces boys to wrestle as they train to become next generation of killers  | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL3YCN )
1178100;1435348219;ascii_field;^ possible source
1178101;1435348270;mats;looks right
1178102;1435348320;mats;looks like good training too
1178103;1435348458;scoopbot_revived;OpenBSD Moving sudo to Ports http://qntra.net/2015/06/openbsd-moving-sudo-to-ports/
1178104;1435348458;ascii_field;the ritual described is at least as old as ww2. don't take my word for it, ask orwell >> http://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19441229.html
1178105;1435348459;assbot;29 December 1944 - As I Please - George Orwell, Book, etext ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hlcbho )
1178106;1435348650;ascii_field;rezun has a very spiffy nearly book-length description of the ru version
1178107;1435348680;ascii_field;( http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/10.html and more )
1178108;1435348681;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5oxc )
1178109;1435348693;mod6;<+mod6> asciilifeform: ahh. ok well take a look at this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/index.html << updated with graphs
1178110;1435348694;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5sgx )
1178111;1435348727;ascii_field;mod6: very spiffy
1178112;1435348773;ascii_field;http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/classCAddress.html#ad062e258e0af8a46d0631078147211b1 << good example for folks who had no idea what this thread was about
1178113;1435348774;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: CAddress Class Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5Ew4 )
1178114;1435348820;ascii_field;better still,
1178115;1435348821;ascii_field;http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/classCNode.html
1178116;1435348822;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: CNode Class Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5QeN )
1178117;1435348826;ascii_field;(the graphic)
1178118;1435348865;mircea_popescu;"As is typical of a C++ program, a lot of code tends to end up in the header files
1178119;1435348868;mircea_popescu;sigh
1178120;1435349008;ascii_field;~40% of the 'mass' in therealbitcoin is in headers...
1178121;1435349026;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah
1178122;1435349034;mircea_popescu;whjy even bother at this point.
1178123;1435349035;mod6;I wanna link these on the main page website.
1178124;1435349039;mircea_popescu;just \call everything .bas
1178125;1435349043;*;ascii_field just weighed it now
1178126;1435349047;ascii_field;just about 38 sharp.
1178127;1435349082;ascii_field;in other nyooz, http://www.firebox.com/product/7078/Inner-Selfie-Stick?via=hp&s=1x1&t=random
1178128;1435349083;assbot;Inner Selfie Stick - buy at Firebox.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlcZ5V )
1178129;1435349114;mats;lol
1178130;1435349166;ascii_field;l0l re: the rebranding of a very ordinary plumber's borescope sold pretty much everywhere
1178131;1435349650;mod6;!up ascii_field
1178132;1435350061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00041676 = 19.5877 BTC [-] {2} 
1178133;1435350111;trinque;ascii_field: read that as firefox at first, thought it was a hell of a pivot for mozilla, lol
1178134;1435350305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.0004184 = 24.0371 BTC [+] {4} 
1178135;1435350625;jurov;yes, spiffy, i'm surprised... guess btc. yt will be deprecated
1178136;1435350760;ascii_field;in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass.
1178137;1435350765;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1178138;1435350802;ascii_field;(the vendor's explanation for why they failed was dpasted here a while ago, but will be reprinted in this month's broadcast.)
1178139;1435350887;ascii_field;jurov: actually we really still need btc.yt thing
1178140;1435350909;ascii_field;'doxygen' doesn't appear to do the handy 'click this and see ~EVERYWHERE~ it appears' symbol concordance
1178141;1435350915;ascii_field;why it doesn't - i have no idea
1178142;1435351008;mircea_popescu;prolly needs some giggling
1178143;1435351063;mircea_popescu;anyway this looks like it's going to be an epic b-a summer. phuctor delivered, eulora came, nodes are moving, apparently cardano as well,
1178144;1435351076;mircea_popescu;etc etc
1178145;1435351078;ascii_field;the spice must flow. (tm) (r)
1178146;1435351342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00041764 = 10.0651 BTC [-]
1178147;1435351392;*;trinque decided to work through the mcclim tutorial today
1178148;1435351412;trinque;I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.
1178149;1435351443;trinque;the clarity of purpose, simplicity, sheer elegance of this thing trumps every other environment I've built things in
1178150;1435351480;trinque;seems like an alternate history where the terminal concept developed further
1178151;1435351494;trinque;rather than being replaced with a bunch of consumer friendly skeuomorphic shitware
1178152;1435351519;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1178153;1435351573;ascii_field;trinque: lisp (and i specifically refer to the accumulated advancements which add up to commonlisp world, rather than the barf of that field's equivalent of 'glbse' - e.g., 'clojure', 'newlisp', other halfwit retardations) handily obsoletes most of what passes for 'problems in computer science' as taught
1178154;1435351576;ascii_field;hence you were not taught.
1178155;1435351603;ascii_field;they'd much rather teach 'usability'
1178156;1435351622;ascii_field;or have you contribute to 'ethereum' for course credit
1178157;1435351627;trinque;sure, and "marketable skills" like java, c++, or c#
1178158;1435351657;ascii_field;at 'respectable' uni they make a show of not teaching as much of ^this as they could 'because this isn't trade school after all'
1178159;1435351688;trinque;I'm on ch3 and I can already bind data to usable UI, selectively update the display, so on
1178160;1435351691;trinque;in what, 15 lines?
1178161;1435351696;mod6;<+ascii_field> in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass. << nice!
1178162;1435351710;ascii_field;trinque: now imagine if no part of the machine were exempt.
1178163;1435351712;*;trinque shudders to recall how the same thing looks elsewhere
1178164;1435351723;trinque;ascii_field: I can as a novice see the foothills at least
1178165;1435351724;ascii_field;as in, want to put disk controller registers on the screen? go, do
1178166;1435351728;trinque;mhm
1178167;1435351742;trinque;everything expressed as the same kind of data structures
1178168;1435351744;trinque;can sort of see it
1178169;1435351777;mircea_popescu;i was kinda curious when his "Everything is sql" was going to reduce.
1178170;1435351787;trinque;when I found time for this :)
1178171;1435351792;mircea_popescu;lol
1178172;1435351873;trinque;I can see that did not go nearly far enough.
1178173;1435351900;ascii_field;i'll note that lispmachine did not go far enough
1178174;1435351909;ascii_field;in that it was still a von neumann arch
1178175;1435351917;ascii_field;where cpu had to 'hand carry in a basket' from point a to b
1178176;1435351924;trinque;we were sort of bolting postgresql to linux via foreign data wrappers like morons
1178177;1435351932;ascii_field;rather than electrical connection in programmable grid
1178178;1435351935;trinque;denying the underlying system like systemd does
1178179;1435351943;trinque;"pay no attention to the linux behind the curtain"
1178180;1435351965;ascii_field;gabriel_laddel had something in this spirit; i barfed
1178181;1435351975;trinque;I tried to build his, couldn't
1178182;1435351981;trinque;stuff sort of half worked
1178183;1435351987;ascii_field;lucky
1178184;1435351999;ascii_field;because the absolute worst thing that can happen is that this kind of monster ~walks~
1178185;1435352003;ascii_field;i.e. that it 'works'
1178186;1435352008;ascii_field;and folks start using.
1178187;1435352022;ascii_field;and even - shudder - relying on it
1178188;1435352061;trinque;yeah I begin to see why there's no real intermediate step here.
1178189;1435352090;trinque;you end up getting lost taping the underlying thing to the interface forever
1178190;1435352095;ascii_field;i spent the last 5 or so years looking for an intermediate point between here and ic fab
1178191;1435352104;ascii_field;(so far did not find)
1178192;1435352131;trinque;seems reasonable enought to resolve for the near term to just run sbcl apps on linux
1178193;1435352141;trinque;for myself
1178194;1435352145;ascii_field;until you want to do something like tcp
1178195;1435352166;ascii_field;(yes, works. but now you have 'guts' in the works, and breakage paths that don't cleanly break into lisp)
1178196;1435352187;trinque;and that's what corrupts the intermediate-step approach, it seems?
1178197;1435352194;trinque;what I was trying to get at about tape
1178198;1435352197;ascii_field;i actually had problems with serial ports when i did the robot thing
1178199;1435352205;ascii_field;had to write a very ugly c hack
1178200;1435352209;trinque;like I did a "commonqt" project
1178201;1435352214;trinque;just ends up that I wrote c++ in lisp
1178202;1435352227;ascii_field;yes, no way to glue qt in any rational way
1178203;1435352233;ascii_field;it demands to own the world
1178204;1435352257;ascii_field;(and it's been tried before)
1178205;1435352279;ascii_field;http://cmucl-imp.cons.narkive.com/qZKFCJMj/idolino-cmucl-binding-for-qt
1178206;1435352280;assbot;Idolino: CMUCL Binding for Qt ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyphnD )
1178207;1435352292;ascii_field;^ i slaved to try and get that thing to run as a student
1178208;1435352295;ascii_field;never worked
1178209;1435352311;ascii_field;(not for me, at least)
1178210;1435352319;trinque;commonqt ran fine; just that as I perceive it, utterly non-lispy
1178211;1435352363;ascii_field;and at any rate, i barfed as soon as i discovered that you can't meaningfully compose qt widgets without diving back into the cpp shit pit
1178212;1435352386;ascii_field;i.e. i wanted to bake a 'text edit' widget with clickable hyperlinks ~active during editing~
1178213;1435352400;ascii_field;afaik, TO THIS FUCKING DAY not a SINGLE GUI TOOLKIT will let you do that.
1178214;1435352422;trinque;it all sees the user as a derp that would never do such a thing
1178215;1435352438;trinque;or do you just mean dynamically in the code?
1178216;1435352440;ascii_field;to this day, afaik, i'm the only one who ever wanted this.
1178217;1435352453;ascii_field;no toolkit will let you do this ~at all~
1178218;1435352463;trinque;not even clim? or only it?
1178219;1435352469;trinque;seems clim would
1178220;1435352470;ascii_field;clim ~might~
1178221;1435352499;ascii_field;problem with clim is that is does not actually work (with usable response time and reliability) on any extant system
1178222;1435352559;trinque;all I want it to do is display some stuff from postgresql and let me edit data with reasonable performance
1178223;1435352574;trinque;maybe click a foreign key and get the row it points to
1178224;1435352597;trinque;so I can stop writing the same derpy app a thousand times
1178225;1435352623;trinque;everything remotely like this is either garbage worse than excel or some shitty pile of JS (because that's what I want to do, edit my db over http)
1178226;1435352643;trinque;anyone who has ever written an administration panel for a web thing has wasted his life
1178227;1435352793;trinque;https://github.com/marmelab/ng-admin << garbage
1178228;1435352795;assbot;marmelab/ng-admin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyqUlj )
1178229;1435352800;trinque;so on, all garbage
1178230;1435352819;ascii_field;on an entirely other level, the kernel is also garbage
1178231;1435352825;ascii_field;for fundamentally same reason
1178232;1435352837;ascii_field;(it being, having been written by the blind.)
1178233;1435352859;ascii_field;because when you can't physically connect arbitrary flipflops in the machine to the screen, you're - blind.
1178234;1435352882;trinque;I'm not qualified to say, but it does look like yet another vast C monstrosity from the outside
1178235;1435352890;trinque;dunno how anyone could ever reason about it
1178236;1435352928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042236 = 14.2335 BTC [+]
1178237;1435352938;ascii_field;about items which 'fit in head', there can - on rare occasion - be reasoning.
1178238;1435352945;ascii_field;about other kinds - only delusion of reasoning.
1178239;1435352953;ascii_field;(plenty of delusion to go around, though)
1178240;1435352977;trinque;reminds me of feynman's thing about "nobody's at the wheel" or something like that
1178241;1435353103;trinque;can't find the actual quote; something about wanting to believe that there's some conspiracy in charge of the world because it's more comfortable than the reality
1178242;1435353139;ascii_field;evidently he never hung out with brzezinski, mr. controlled-chaos
1178243;1435353146;ascii_field;(or wishes us to think that he did not!!111)
1178244;1435353190;trinque;heh!
1178245;1435353208;trinque;clearly he was a part of the shadowy cabal himself
1178246;1435353210;ascii_field;in other lulz,
1178247;1435353211;ascii_field;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33281896
1178248;1435353212;assbot;French government orders Uber taxi ban after protests - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GysdR9 )
1178249;1435353281;ascii_field;and http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33296352
1178250;1435353281;assbot;One of two escaped US prisoners killed by police - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyssvB )
1178251;1435353375;jurov;!up ascii_field
1178252;1435353444;jurov;fellows, we have with mod6 noticed disconnect between patch IDs in mailing list and in release notes
1178253;1435353477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00042236 = 7.4758 BTC [+]
1178254;1435353477;jurov;part is that everyone seems to hate mailman renaming them to include the ID
1178255;1435353486;ascii_field;i absolutely hate it
1178256;1435353493;ascii_field;if i wanted garbage in the name, would put it there myself.
1178257;1435353517;jurov;yes, you prefer to name everythign "turd", i know
1178258;1435353523;ascii_field;the hash in the name is useless, because no one signs it
1178259;1435353558;jurov;how should we (and, the poor system for tracking the signatures), keep them?
1178260;1435353564;ascii_field;using the given names.
1178261;1435353577;jurov;no, i won't
1178262;1435353596;jurov;they are not iunique already
1178263;1435353602;ascii_field;how is asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip_ebed1af0253ef629bbef4bf2b2d1a94742a81f0e.patch an improvement over asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.patch ?
1178264;1435353623;ascii_field;i never released anything lacking a unique and modestly descriptive name
1178265;1435353626;jurov;much better that turd.patch
1178266;1435353629;ascii_field;and afaik this goes for the others
1178267;1435353633;ascii_field;where is this 'turd.patch' ?
1178268;1435353643;ascii_field;link plz
1178269;1435353741;mod6;this is supposed to outline how to name and number the patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html
1178270;1435353741;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GytUhB )
1178271;1435353795;jurov;ok ascii_field not turd , but this leaves things to be desired, too: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
1178272;1435353796;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gyu7RL )
1178273;1435353816;jurov;mod6 you realized your patches are actually worst-named
1178274;1435353819;jurov;?
1178275;1435353837;mod6;why are they the worst?
1178276;1435353838;ascii_field;jurov: also ought to remember, not all patches are meant as 'canonical' (that is, for eventual inclusion in the tree)
1178277;1435353847;ascii_field;some can - must - only make sense in thread context
1178278;1435353902;jurov;well, where is the context what is "portatronic" ought to be?
1178279;1435353917;ascii_field;it was explained in painful detail in later discussions
1178280;1435353919;mod6;i think the nomenclature is pretty straightforward.  easy to use. you specify which base your coming off of, the patch name, and a number for any that are required to come before it.
1178281;1435353925;ascii_field;but for those discussions to make sense, the patch had to be out there
1178282;1435353961;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177992 <<< halsey minor
1178283;1435353961;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 19:00:30; mircea_popescu: who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?
1178284;1435353978;mircea_popescu;nah
1178285;1435354081;mod6;anyway, i like the idea of a checksum for the patches.  if we can somehow hvae that without it being in the name of the patch, that would be neat.
1178286;1435354089;ascii_field;mod6: it's in the sig!
1178287;1435354094;ascii_field;the checksum
1178288;1435354102;ascii_field;that is the correct place for it
1178289;1435354117;jurov;the problem is, when i receive detached sig later
1178290;1435354137;ascii_field;why would these ever come apart ?
1178291;1435354139;jurov;and user is unwilling to work with patch ID the system must somehow heuristically
1178292;1435354151;mircea_popescu; 10.3M/s  eta 1h 40m
1178293;1435354152;jurov;match it to original submission
1178294;1435354158;mircea_popescu;gotta love modern internets.
1178295;1435354204;jurov;ascii_field: it was intended to allow other people to send singatures for patches ater they revviewed them
1178296;1435354223;ascii_field;Ah
1178297;1435354251;mod6;so after review you just expect or perhaps exepect to just see a .sig file attached alone without the patch itself?
1178298;1435354275;jurov;that doesn't matter if alone or not
1178299;1435354290;mircea_popescu;ascii_field idea was to have one file multiple sigs
1178300;1435354296;mod6;lol, i need a flow-chart
1178301;1435354296;jurov;there must be a way to refer to original submission
1178302;1435354328;ascii_field;easy:
1178303;1435354334;ascii_field;pull hash out of original sig
1178304;1435354340;jurov;if not by ID, then people must meticulously keep adhering to original name
1178305;1435354349;ascii_field;notice that you don't even need the patch file for this
1178306;1435354365;ascii_field;no name shenanigans needed
1178307;1435354366;jurov;there is lubrary for this?
1178308;1435354370;ascii_field;just a copy of 'pgpdump'
1178309;1435354388;ascii_field;https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pgpdump
1178310;1435354389;assbot;pgpdump 1.5 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyvUq9 )
1178311;1435354391;ascii_field;^ library
1178312;1435354402;jurov;iirc i have searched for something liek that but did not found it
1178313;1435354411;ascii_field;^ as used in 'phuctor'
1178314;1435354463;jurov;you could tell earlier there's a way to get hash from signature
1178315;1435354465;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178292 << making more seedz ?
1178316;1435354465;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 21:29:11; mircea_popescu:  10.3M/s  eta 1h 40m
1178317;1435354480;mircea_popescu;well obviously.
1178318;1435354485;ascii_field;neat
1178319;1435354553;felipelalli;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jTk05D5d
1178320;1435354554;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GywpQU )
1178321;1435354555;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1178322;1435354667;felipelalli;!s deedbot
1178323;1435354668;assbot;1100 results for 'deedbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot
1178324;1435354700;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot felipelalli
1178325;1435354701;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/
1178326;1435354738;mircea_popescu;ED5CDE14 that's the right key...
1178327;1435354761;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178148 << will add to this. in every single field i dive into, i find these 'lisps' - i.e., the ~actual~ state-of-the-art buried under piles of shit strategically crapped out by one, two, more generations of mediocrities
1178328;1435354761;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 20:43:32; trinque: I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.
1178329;1435354822;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: Signature made Sex 26 Jun 2015 18:32:29 BRT using RSA key ID ED5CDE14
1178330;1435354840;mircea_popescu;sex srsly ?
1178331;1435354864;mircea_popescu;trinque any idea why deedbnot barfs at him ?
1178332;1435354875;mircea_popescu;ascii_field they're merely trying to survive and perpetuate, them mediocrities.a
1178333;1435354901;ascii_field;aha, like cockroaches
1178334;1435354914;mod6;ascii_field: hey, i'm having a tough time getting the hash itself out of a sig file of mine with that python version of pgpdump.  which flag should i be using; i've tried 'em all
1178335;1435354921;ascii_field;mod6: -a
1178336;1435354928;ascii_field;and -i
1178337;1435355016;felipelalli;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt
1178338;1435355017;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyxOqJ )
1178339;1435355018;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1178340;1435355022;felipelalli;trying with dpaste now. :/
1178341;1435355041;mod6;dpaste.com/1G0JNPE.txt
1178342;1435355059;trinque;lemme see
1178343;1435355078;trinque;it's not the site though, I'm allowing any
1178344;1435355193;jurov;!up ascii_field
1178345;1435355229;jurov;app-crypt/pgpdump indeed does not show the hash (and it's not python but binary)
1178346;1435355246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00041928 = 22.5992 BTC [-] {2} 
1178347;1435355250;ascii_field;wrong pgpdump
1178348;1435355253;jurov;and dev-python/pgpdump has docs dunno where
1178349;1435355257;ascii_field;(yes, there are two proggies by same name)
1178350;1435355271;mod6;it's the one you linked above though 'H?
1178351;1435355273;mod6;*eh
1178352;1435355288;ascii_field;jurov is right though, the one for which i gave the args is the c proggy
1178353;1435355302;ascii_field;the py one comes with example code iirc
1178354;1435355364;jurov;ic
1178355;1435355383;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt
1178356;1435355384;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKEhbF )
1178357;1435355385;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1178358;1435355408;*;trinque goes to slap deedbot- around in private
1178359;1435355414;felipelalli;the bot is in a bad mood today.
1178360;1435355795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00040243 = 22.5562 BTC [-] {2} 
1178361;1435355869;mod6;ok, i think this thing installed, but i can't figure out how to get it to run lol.
1178362;1435355881;mod6;good ole python
1178363;1435355922;mircea_popescu;bah. from the wunderbar world of undocumented linux gotchas : if you're transferring a file over 2gb, either curl or wget will go into "download one burst, rest for 30 seconds" mode and that's that.
1178364;1435355923;mircea_popescu;wtf!
1178365;1435355931;mircea_popescu;!up ielo
1178366;1435355941;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: never saw this!
1178367;1435355946;mircea_popescu;me either, before now.
1178368;1435355947;ascii_field;not on any box of mine
1178369;1435355952;ascii_field;and i routinely move 100G+
1178370;1435355973;jurov;looks like server problem
1178371;1435355983;mircea_popescu; 26.5G    0 32.3M    0     0  54811      0   6d 00h  0:10:19   6d 00h 86885
1178372;1435355983;mircea_popescu; 26.5G    0 32.6M    0     0  54181      0   6d 02h  0:10:31   6d 01h     0
1178373;1435355986;ielo;mircea_popescu, < why does this retard gossip like a 12 year old and you guys believe it?
1178374;1435355986;mircea_popescu;get a load of that.
1178375;1435355997;mircea_popescu;the thing will burst ~3mb, then stop. then burst again then stop.
1178376;1435356002;mircea_popescu;ielo who are you exactly ?
1178377;1435356059;ielo;mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet
1178378;1435356063;ielo;sorry i think you need to stop
1178379;1435356066;jurov;anyway, looks pgpdump monkeys never bothered to pull actual hash out :/
1178380;1435356074;*;jurov dons gloves
1178381;1435356085;mats;jurov: say again?
1178382;1435356097;ielo;mircea_popescu, i think you need mental help
1178383;1435356099;mats;ielo: which people? name them.
1178384;1435356106;ascii_field;anybody got a vivisection table open for the monkey ?
1178385;1435356111;trinque;if only we had the nordic system, somebody would help poor mircea_popescu
1178386;1435356113;ascii_field;mine are occupied
1178387;1435356120;ielo;amir taak, andrew miller 2 main ones
1178388;1435356120;mircea_popescu;they have the southern system here.
1178389;1435356128;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
1178390;1435356133;jurov;mats the data structure i get does include "hash_algorithm" but ntohing resembling actual hash
1178391;1435356133;mats;oh, those are scammers.
1178392;1435356141;ielo;you are such a shitty person
1178393;1435356144;mats;sorry bud
1178394;1435356148;mircea_popescu;maybe if your friends would stop scamming / being retarded pieces of shit i wouldn't have to care about their otherwise meaningless existences ?
1178395;1435356148;ielo;fuck off
1178396;1435356164;ielo;mircea_popescu, you literally dedicate your life to gossiping about shit you know nothing about
1178397;1435356170;mircea_popescu;seriously, taaki ?
1178398;1435356189;ielo;sorry but i remember you
1178399;1435356193;ielo;from bitcoin conference in london
1178400;1435356197;ielo;you are such a piece of shit
1178401;1435356200;mats;jurov: are you saying a pgpdump fn you are calling is misbehaving?
1178402;1435356201;mircea_popescu;umm.
1178403;1435356233;mircea_popescu;ielo would this be the conference where tyhat fucktard nefario told everyone about how mpex is going to be going to jale two weeks before going to jale ?
1178404;1435356236;mats;trying to figure out if its the library or the thing you're wrenching is at fault
1178405;1435356250;mats;i am using pgpdump for a project and this is relevant
1178406;1435356285;ielo;mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?
1178407;1435356302;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. and ~confirmed~ that the problem does not exist for files under 2gb.
1178408;1435356307;mircea_popescu;what the fucking hell already nothing works!
1178409;1435356312;ielo;its really sad that this is your life
1178410;1435356318;mircea_popescu;  1 28.5G    1  314M    0     0  10.0M      0  0:48:17  0:00:31  0:47:46 13.7M
1178411;1435356326;jurov;mats as the .sig file verifies, the hash must be therein
1178412;1435356337;mircea_popescu;i guess im back to slicing archives. ima call them .rar too, in memory of the old days
1178413;1435356342;mircea_popescu;back when everything fucking worked.
1178414;1435356349;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you can still get actual rar..
1178415;1435356384;mircea_popescu;anyone know right off how i slice a file into fixed sdized chunks ?
1178416;1435356419;ascii_field;'split'
1178417;1435356452;ascii_field;e.g., 'split -b 2048m foo.gz'
1178418;1435356460;mod6;yeah split
1178419;1435356489;mircea_popescu;aty.
1178420;1435356731;mircea_popescu;split is slow.
1178421;1435356797;mircea_popescu;anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ?
1178422;1435356803;ascii_field;oh!!!
1178423;1435356804;ascii_field;?
1178424;1435356810;*;ascii_field did not expect any response
1178425;1435356812;mircea_popescu;well ?
1178426;1435356839;*;ascii_field looks for hat to eat
1178427;1435356844;mircea_popescu;chicklet's the sister of one/wife of the other or viceversa.
1178428;1435356845;ascii_field;what kinda questions
1178429;1435356866;ascii_field;l0l
1178430;1435356901;mircea_popescu;so yeah, why do you people believe me that in fact miller & elaine whatever actually ran an unapproved scam on u of maryland dime ?!?!?
1178431;1435356951;shinohai;@ ielo Sr. mircea_popescu is quite adept at revealing scammers is probably why.
1178432;1435356962;ascii_field;the one part i'm unclear on is why the scam needed programmers at all
1178433;1435356974;ascii_field;iirc 'ethereum' never shipped gadget
1178434;1435356985;mircea_popescu;you read that story about the guy developing a drm thing for the palm pilot ?
1178435;1435356995;mircea_popescu;because that's how you hoodwink investors, that's why!
1178436;1435357005;mats;the coward fled already, felipelalli
1178437;1435357022;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1178438;1435357041;felipelalli;thank you mats! Should I retry or my doc is already published?
1178439;1435357067;ascii_field;vaguely recall the drm thing
1178440;1435357069;mats;er, trinque is the maintainer
1178441;1435357073;ascii_field;'market wants fuffles'
1178442;1435357094;felipelalli;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt
1178443;1435357095;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKEhbF )
1178444;1435357101;trinque;working on it bud
1178445;1435357107;felipelalli;ah!
1178446;1435357107;trinque;I'll make sure it goes out
1178447;1435357117;trinque;just python string nonsense; I should've written this part in bash
1178448;1435357145;felipelalli;Ah! The problem is the "ã" char!! hahahah
1178449;1435357147;mircea_popescu;ohohohoh. more python spaghetti ?
1178450;1435357152;trinque;felipelalli: as always
1178451;1435357170;trinque;this is just about past my shoot-in-head threshold
1178452;1435357179;felipelalli;GPG is a little tricky with charsets.
1178453;1435357199;trinque;gpg likes your doc just fine, and python has your doc as a string identical to what was provided
1178454;1435357210;trinque;smells like python-gnupg being a piece of shit
1178455;1435357215;mircea_popescu;split just crashed o.O
1178456;1435357230;ascii_field;yeah at some point ~new~ phuctor will run over all the weirdos with non-latinate chars in namestring of key
1178457;1435357250;felipelalli;the bod would cry with a Japanese doc!! :D
1178458;1435357268;felipelalli;*bot
1178459;1435357275;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178455 << hey, i had 'strings' crash.
1178460;1435357275;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 22:20:15; mircea_popescu: split just crashed o.O
1178461;1435357321;trinque;felipelalli: ascii was good enough for the lord and it's good enough for me!
1178462;1435357324;trinque;jk
1178463;1435357324;mircea_popescu;atm i suspect it's doing something windows-retarded like "load whole file in memory, split it as a php array, write the result through type conversion"
1178464;1435357384;felipelalli;asciilifeform agreed.
1178465;1435357411;jurov;mats, ascii_field pursuant to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-5.2.2 ,the pgpdump lib stops parsing right on the "Two-octet field holding left 16 bits of signed hash value" and does not go further to decode the signature
1178466;1435357413;assbot;RFC 4880 - OpenPGP Message Format ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKM09u )
1178467;1435357448;jurov;teh joy
1178468;1435357466;felipelalli;That's why Bitbet.us hate weirdo chars?
1178469;1435357548;mircea_popescu;it's slower to split than to upload o.O
1178470;1435357551;felipelalli;trinque: if I add the option --charset=utf-8 when signing, helps something?
1178471;1435357564;trinque;felipelalli: nah your doc's fine
1178472;1435357582;mircea_popescu;jurov motherfucker! WHO DOES THESE THINGS
1178473;1435357605;mircea_popescu;srsly, two octets should be enough for everyone ? this is how it is ?
1178474;1435357644;jurov;yes, apparently they balked at decnsing "pkcs1" stuff
1178475;1435357651;jurov;*decoding
1178476;1435357657;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, split takes 10 minutes for a 1 gb. upload takes 1 minute.
1178477;1435357686;jurov;alternatively, maybe curl can be asked to download ranges (if server supports it)
1178478;1435357709;mircea_popescu;i tried that with -C but no dice.
1178479;1435357730;jurov;what's on the other end?
1178480;1435357763;mod6;can you use rsync instead?
1178481;1435357779;jurov;maybe there's some dummy PHP script on server that chokes when hit 2G mem limit
1178482;1435357850;jurov;(obv such tasks should bypass PHP completely)
1178483;1435357904;mircea_popescu;i dun think php is in any way involved.
1178484;1435357911;mircea_popescu;mod6 i think i will try rsync yeah
1178485;1435357921;mircea_popescu;so far this has been an exercise in ridiculous.
1178486;1435357933;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1MWQWQ9.txt
1178487;1435357934;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz9Tpw )
1178488;1435357934;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1178489;1435357935;mats;jurov: and this behavior is the same across c pgpdump and python port?
1178490;1435357936;mod6;~ how big is the file?
1178491;1435357944;mircea_popescu;bout 40 gib
1178492;1435357957;mats;port as to be found on 'pypi'
1178493;1435357969;mod6;ah, well, if you hvae a solid inet connection you can always try scp as a last resort if you have a shell on the target environment too.
1178494;1435357975;trinque;I "fixed" that by telling python-gnupg to use utf-8 internally as per their docs
1178495;1435358007;trinque;that iirc might've caused problems with *other* characters (though I don't recall which) so someone ping me if they have trouble with that in the future.
1178496;1435358008;mats;sorry for repeated queries, am mobile atm
1178497;1435358012;jurov;mats, since the python one is written to be "inspired by C pgpdump", it's very likely it does not, too
1178498;1435358020;jurov;trinque what???
1178499;1435358027;trinque;jurov: what what
1178500;1435358050;trinque;;;later tell felipelalli your doc went through
1178501;1435358050;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1178502;1435358058;jurov;trinque: oh nm, you' re about deedbot, not about RFC 4880
1178503;1435358066;trinque;ah yeah
1178504;1435358393;jurov;and no pkcs py decoding code in sight. apparently imma invert this by hand: https://github.com/bdauvergne/python-pkcs1/blob/master/pkcs1/emsa_pkcs1_v15.py
1178505;1435358394;assbot;python-pkcs1/emsa_pkcs1_v15.py at master · bdauvergne/python-pkcs1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzaqYB )
1178506;1435358988;trinque;"presentation types" << o hey look another thing I built shittily in der database
1178507;1435359003;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178406 <<< eh that was me!
1178508;1435359003;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 22:04:45; ielo: mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?
1178509;1435359098;cazalla;can't help but think of this scene when somebody asks what the fuck type of person are you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaBP522x0xI
1178510;1435359100;assbot;GoodFellas Full "What's Wrong With You" Scene - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKSIwo )
1178511;1435359349;jurov;The concatenation of the data to be signed, the signature type, *and creation time* ... is hashed.
1178512;1435359360;jurov;^ so the sig is useless for out purposes
1178513;1435359364;jurov;*our
1178514;1435359485;jurov;asciilifeform: ^ we're back to using our own patch hashes somehow
1178515;1435359536;mod6;i can't figure out how to get the hash out either, the best i've seen is that "digest algo 10, best of digest 23 49" gives you 2 bytes.
1178516;1435359568;mod6;s/best/begin/
1178517;1435359599;jurov;mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway
1178518;1435359609;mod6;oh, is that per the RFC you pastd?
1178519;1435359636;jurov;ya
1178520;1435359975;jurov;the PGP monkeys just did not foresaw any need to put into signature hash of signed document alone
1178521;1435359976;mircea_popescu;wait what ?!
1178522;1435360003;mircea_popescu;cazalla lmao srsly ?
1178523;1435360072;mircea_popescu;i thought that btcentralplus.com thing is in england.
1178524;1435360118;mod6;haha cazalla, great movie.
1178525;1435360193;mircea_popescu;cazalla Jun 26 16:23:33 *amiller (~socrates1@unaffiliated/socrates1024) has joined #bitcoin-assets << also ?
1178526;1435360246;cazalla;word spreads quickly eh
1178527;1435360309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00039016 = 6.9448 BTC [-] {2} 
1178528;1435360520;mats;!up amiller
1178529;1435360631;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6r9f19Yny1r2weuio1_1280.jpg
1178530;1435360632;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKYQ7I )
1178531;1435361399;mats;what brings you here, amiller
1178532;1435362993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00039258 = 19.5701 BTC [+]
1178533;1435363603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.00038934 = 18.4352 BTC [-] {2} 
1178534;1435363786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00039258 = 7.6553 BTC [+]
1178535;1435364396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00039258 = 4.7698 BTC [+]
1178536;1435364457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32563 @ 0.00039258 = 12.7836 BTC [+]
1178537;1435365311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00039258 = 9.4808 BTC [+]
1178538;1435365982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17323 @ 0.00038953 = 6.7478 BTC [-] {2} 
1178539;1435366043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40877 @ 0.00038779 = 15.8517 BTC [-]
1178540;1435366592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25170 @ 0.00038736 = 9.7499 BTC [-] {2} 
1178541;1435367350;mats;https://www.igolder.com/pgp/generate-key hue
1178542;1435367350;assbot;PGP Key Generator - iGolder ... ( http://bit.ly/1QV0ZhQ )
1178543;1435367385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39787 @ 0.00039258 = 15.6196 BTC [+]
1178544;1435368056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32228 @ 0.00038939 = 12.5493 BTC [-] {2} 
1178545;1435368422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39671 @ 0.00039991 = 15.8648 BTC [+] {2} 
1178546;1435368483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00040161 = 9.1366 BTC [+]
1178547;1435368910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00040198 = 10.1701 BTC [+]
1178548;1435369154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00040198 = 15.436 BTC [+]
1178549;1435369581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17914 @ 0.00042164 = 7.5533 BTC [+] {3} 
1178550;1435369961;decimation;mats: is that server-side or does it generate key in javascript?
1178551;1435370096;decimation;mircea_popescu: is your "forever living" comment a slight on "young living"?
1178552;1435370232;mats;it looks like its all js but i have a shallow understanding of how things in the browser work
1178553;1435370254;decimation;mats: yeah because server-side would be obviously retarded
1178554;1435370266;mats;or genius
1178555;1435370270;decimation;heh
1178556;1435370808;mircea_popescu;no, thereeis  scam
1178557;1435370814;mircea_popescu;;;google forever living aloe vera
1178558;1435370815;gribble;Forever Living Products - Benefits of Aloe: <https://www.foreverliving.com/marketing/Page.do?name=benefits>; Aloe Vera Gel - Forever Living Products International: <https://www.foreverliving.com/marketing/Shop.do?productCode=015>; Forever Living Products | Aloe Vera Products | Multi-Level Marketing ...: <https://www.foreverliving.com/>
1178559;1435370823;decimation;heh
1178560;1435370834;mircea_popescu;they sell aloe vera for everytying
1178561;1435370855;mircea_popescu;(/me has once rescued a well bosomed oyung lady from their old womanly clutches)
1178562;1435370997;decimation;no doubt some plant extracts can solve medical issues
1178563;1435371018;decimation;but often these mlm schemes charge $$$ for dubious products
1178564;1435371041;mircea_popescu;this thing is strictly separated from any consideration but sales.
1178565;1435371049;mircea_popescu;aloe vera is useful in dermatology.
1178566;1435371068;mircea_popescu;they're selling two gallon potable extract
1178567;1435371079;decimation;heh
1178568;1435371084;mircea_popescu;yes, vegetal goop is potable. no, there's no reason to pay 95 bux or w/e
1178569;1435371100;decimation;I've had aloe vera yogurt before
1178570;1435371102;decimation;it was weird
1178571;1435371351;mircea_popescu;incidentally ben_ meh
1178572;1435371363;mircea_popescu;;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting   -irc               Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
1178573;1435371364;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1178574;1435371594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25736 @ 0.00042369 = 10.9041 BTC [+] {2} 
1178575;1435371716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00041848 = 1.6321 BTC [-]
1178576;1435372753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45423 @ 0.0004237 = 19.2457 BTC [+]
1178577;1435372950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ever seen https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1120 ?
1178578;1435372951;assbot;already have block - causing bandwidth to be wasted - vicious circle? · Issue #1120 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTgCpc )
1178579;1435373017;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the article or the effect described therein ?
1178580;1435373025;mircea_popescu;"works as intended"
1178581;1435373031;asciilifeform;almost certain i've seen the effect.
1178582;1435373060;asciilifeform;in fact, this ~is~ the bastards thing innit.
1178583;1435373079;mircea_popescu;yes.
1178584;1435373093;asciilifeform;aaaand notice what the bugger proposes as 'solution on the way'
1178585;1435373104;asciilifeform;under 'Closing, as it "works as intended". Pull requests to speed up block downloading are on the way and could use testing, see #2964.'
1178586;1435373108;asciilifeform;guess what 2964 was.
1178587;1435373133;mircea_popescu;i linked you lol, i dun need to guess
1178588;1435373139;asciilifeform;aha
1178589;1435373145;asciilifeform;addressing studio audience!
1178590;1435373163;decimation;delete all txns without valid blocks on disk?
1178591;1435373181;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178565 << and apparently also good for >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177279
1178592;1435373181;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 02:10:49; mircea_popescu: aloe vera is useful in dermatology.
1178593;1435373181;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 07:14:51; BingoBoingo: Some BUtuchyag grade Fatlogic. Measuring HamPlanets in pounds AND GALLONS, by their own request https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/26/726940d391d962a57fc6f5f1e83092c4.jpg
1178594;1435373229;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.umd.edu/~elaine/teaching/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrency.html << still up...
1178595;1435373230;assbot;CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency  ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRrmCS )
1178596;1435373238;*;asciilifeform a little surprised
1178597;1435373253;decimation;asciilifeform: you should audit the class
1178598;1435373270;asciilifeform;decimation: 8xx is grad class, they don't let civilians in
1178599;1435373273;mircea_popescu;i really dun expect it'll soon go down.
1178600;1435373284;asciilifeform;decimation: plus it's in working hours
1178601;1435373293;decimation;ah yeah
1178602;1435373424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26941 @ 0.00042 = 11.3152 BTC [-]
1178603;1435373542;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178590 << tx nuke does this
1178604;1435373542;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 02:46:03; decimation: delete all txns without valid blocks on disk?
1178605;1435373600;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I was being silly
1178606;1435373806;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1178607;1435373810;gribble;Current Blocks: 362724 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 155 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1178608;1435373833;decimation;;;ticker
1178609;1435373834;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.04, Best ask: 243.13, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 243.13, 24 hour volume: 10324.91808216, 24 hour low: 240.61, 24 hour high: 243.9, 24 hour vwap: None
1178610;1435373846;mircea_popescu;no changes eh.
1178611;1435373850;decimation;so much for bitcoin instability
1178612;1435373857;decimation;it's more stable than eurusd
1178613;1435373987;mircea_popescu;heh
1178614;1435373995;mircea_popescu;well, it's for sure more stabilizing.
1178615;1435373997;mircea_popescu;so yea.
1178616;1435374103;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178541 << how many 'keybases' are there even.
1178617;1435374103;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 01:09:10; mats: https://www.igolder.com/pgp/generate-key hue
1178618;1435374111;asciilifeform;does every derpatron have its own
1178619;1435374159;decimation;asciilifeform: if done in javascript it's not immediately stupid
1178620;1435374163;decimation;other than "why?"
1178621;1435374180;asciilifeform;immediately stupid in the same way keybase is
1178622;1435374206;decimation;it's possible it doesn't upload the privkey immediate
1178623;1435374210;asciilifeform;doesn't need to
1178624;1435374217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00040718 = 3.7868 BTC [-]
1178625;1435374236;asciilifeform;1) did you read the thing. ~every time you loaded it~ 2) does your browser access /dev/random ?
1178626;1435374256;decimation;yeah I was about to ask where the entropy for the rng comes from
1178627;1435374264;decimation;don't tell me it's from server
1178628;1435374373;mircea_popescu;;)
1178629;1435374374;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << this is ~not~ in 0.5.3. it had only '-noirc', default off.
1178630;1435374374;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting   -irc               Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
1178631;1435374405;mircea_popescu;ah did it ?
1178632;1435374408;asciilifeform;aha
1178633;1435374458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/init.cpp#0168
1178634;1435374459;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/init.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRt87d )
1178635;1435374494;asciilifeform;and http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/irc.cpp#0261
1178636;1435374494;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/irc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtdaJ )
1178637;1435374502;mircea_popescu;aha
1178638;1435374565;*;asciilifeform is not proud of having that thing live in his head now - it's gotta be good for something like mental equivalent of 'black lung disease' - but it can be handy
1178639;1435374659;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/14HRFX8 << quick and dirty census off a few hours of a single node running.
1178640;1435374661;assbot;dpaste: 14HRFX8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtB9o )
1178641;1435374673;mircea_popescu;version 70002 - 50 version 70001 - 9 version 60001 - 9 version 60000 - 1 Total - 69
1178642;1435374704;asciilifeform;https://www.igolder.com/pgp/generate-key << server side!
1178643;1435374705;assbot;PGP Key Generator - iGolder ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtH0C )
1178644;1435374711;asciilifeform;did nobody ~read~ the src!
1178645;1435374719;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n1c!
1178646;1435374775;mircea_popescu;(server itself is declaring 60001, and im unsure what the foundation nodes will say. 50001 maybe ?)
1178647;1435374857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/serialize_8h_source.html#l00044
1178648;1435374858;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/serialize.h Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtXN8 )
1178649;1435374863;asciilifeform;is what it'll say.
1178650;1435374883;asciilifeform;see, www with src is handy
1178651;1435374888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16039 @ 0.00040718 = 6.5308 BTC [-]
1178652;1435374893;decimation;asciilifeform: wait the server gens the whole key?
1178653;1435374897;mircea_popescu;not the client version tho, the proto version.
1178654;1435374901;asciilifeform;decimation: go, look
1178655;1435375081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as there's two.    "version" : 60200,    "protocolversion" : 60001, for instance
1178656;1435375121;decimation;asciilifeform: I don't see any crypto code in the javascript, but it's not a very familiar language.  I do see an input form with a submit mechanism
1178657;1435375346;decimation;https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/public-speech-is-a-bad-idea/ < heh, even 'gay in tech' sam altman loses against sjw
1178658;1435375348;assbot;Public speech is a bad idea | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRuIFX )
1178659;1435375376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00041304 = 9.9336 BTC [+]
1178660;1435375421;mircea_popescu;"runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way".
1178661;1435375432;mircea_popescu;the entire shitfest is going to be killed by its own methods.
1178662;1435375444;*;mircea_popescu eagerly pushing the sword in every chance he gets.
1178663;1435375475;mircea_popescu;singing "you've made your one nail bed, now lie in it" to a happy tune.
1178664;1435375543;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, "We shall drown, and nobody will save us" is exactly right. they shall, drown. nobody will, save them.
1178665;1435375600;decimation;well, his reasoning is sound, people have no business on twitter
1178666;1435375616;mircea_popescu;he does not get to avail himself of this soundness.
1178667;1435375628;mircea_popescu;he is part of the entire shebang pushing "twitter as a business - business as a twitter"
1178668;1435375642;mircea_popescu;what's next, "quisling has a point - people should stand up for what they believe in" ?
1178669;1435375690;mircea_popescu;not a point sam altman may ever have. his points, such as they are, must be of an entirely different nature.
1178670;1435375706;decimation;ah I thought you meant spandrell
1178671;1435375735;mircea_popescu;a
1178672;1435375741;decimation;yeah altman is getting his just deserts
1178673;1435375784;mircea_popescu;i dunno about spandrell ever, but who cartes. "note that altman is gay in tech and that didn't save him" ? fu nutso boi.
1178674;1435375794;mircea_popescu;s/ever/either/
1178675;1435375834;decimation;he's one of those on the fringe of the 'reactionaries'
1178676;1435375849;decimation;I think he might actually live in china
1178677;1435375903;*;mircea_popescu has no idea, so wont' comment.
1178678;1435375972;decimation;he has some interesting posts relating chinese history: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/giving-the-handle/
1178679;1435375974;assbot;Giving the handle | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRvDpW )
1178680;1435376007;decimation;"
1178681;1435376008;decimation;?You don?t get it?, says General Wang. ?The emperor is a suspicious man. He doesn?t trust anyone. Right now I have under my command 600,000 men, the entire army of the country. Every once in a while he must be asking himself: ?What if this Wang Jian guy rebels against me??."
1178682;1435376015;decimation;And even if he doesn?t ask himself, there?s always an annoying eunuch paid by a rival general trying to backstab me, saying that I am famous and honorable, and that the opposition might rally around me, that I?m too powerful and must be killed sooner rather than later. Only by openly displaying that I am a vile, corrupt character who only cares about money, can I make the king trust that I have no higher ambition.?
1178683;1435376022;decimation;And so Wang Jian kept sending messenger asking for stuff, and the King never suspected his loyalty. He liked his pettiness. Wang Jian went forward to invade Chu, destroy its armies, capture his king, and annexed the country into the soon to be Qin Empire. He went back home, and very unusual in a famous general, died a peaceful death.
1178684;1435376230;mircea_popescu;hehe
1178685;1435376257;decimation;^ the king (Ying Zheng) was the guy buried with a massive terra cotta army
1178686;1435376324;mircea_popescu;aha
1178687;1435376385;decimation;whose tomb is apparently still intact, and is rumored to contain an entire map of china with all the rivers made of mercury
1178688;1435376441;mircea_popescu;mercury evaporates.
1178689;1435376475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32866 @ 0.000414 = 13.6065 BTC [+] {2} 
1178690;1435376492;decimation;apparently they don't wanna open the tomb until they can be sure they won't ruin it
1178691;1435376515;mircea_popescu;aha.
1178692;1435376533;decimation;heh from la wik: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang < "Mao Zedong, chairman of the People's Republic of China, was reviled for his persecution of intellectuals. On being compared to the First Emperor, Mao responded: "He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you ber
1178693;1435376534;assbot;Qin Shi Huang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRwx5O )
1178694;1435376692;mircea_popescu;!up Saoquim
1178695;1435377119;asciilifeform;decimation: mega-emperor. to me he is ~the~ emperor of cn, very overworked subject in books on the place i had as a kid
1178696;1435377126;asciilifeform;esp. re: the 'immortality' business
1178697;1435377170;decimation;yeah, according to la wik the traditional historiography focuses on his immortality 'schemes'
1178698;1435377171;asciilifeform;died, iirc, of one too many 'immortality pills'
1178699;1435377188;asciilifeform;'forever living' ! (tm)
1178700;1435377191;decimation;yeah as i recall he took mercury pills
1178701;1435377233;decimation;asciilifeform: did you even play 'romance of the three kingdoms' on nintendo?
1178702;1435377244;asciilifeform;on emulator
1178703;1435377250;asciilifeform;but - yes.
1178704;1435377254;decimation;yeah, it was fun with a group
1178705;1435377264;decimation;although the menu scroll became annoying
1178706;1435377298;asciilifeform;it was one of the things that made me go 'folks played games on machines without keyboard ?!! how??!'
1178707;1435377421;decimation;heh. 'we didn't know better'
1178708;1435377439;decimation;although I also enjoyed several classic dos games like master of orion and x-wing
1178709;1435377457;asciilifeform;to me, msdos was ~the~ games platform
1178710;1435377460;asciilifeform;still is!
1178711;1435377469;decimation;I believe early nintendo had keyboard (sold in japan)
1178712;1435377483;asciilifeform;aha, 'famicom'
1178713;1435377486;decimation;for some reason they declined to enter the 'cheap computer wars'
1178714;1435377503;asciilifeform;when i heard of it, i couldn't help but parse it as 'famine' rather than the intended 'family' - console
1178715;1435377562;asciilifeform;they declined to fight in the 8bit comp wars, and... we still have a nintendo co. to kick around
1178716;1435377570;asciilifeform;unlike cbm, atari, et al
1178717;1435377613;asciilifeform;(sega actually made a pc! with built-in 'genesis' ! and it even shared memory with the pc, somehow. unknown outside of jp)
1178718;1435377651;*;decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games
1178719;1435377755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00041414 = 3.3338 BTC [+]
1178720;1435377816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21933 @ 0.00041414 = 9.0833 BTC [+]
1178721;1435379341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041414 = 1.698 BTC [+]
1178722;1435379768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19511 @ 0.00040704 = 7.9418 BTC [-] {2} 
1178723;1435380134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00040449 = 12.4785 BTC [-]
1178724;1435380317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43031 @ 0.00040191 = 17.2946 BTC [-] {2} 
1178725;1435381725;mircea_popescu;!up Bingo_bar
1178726;1435381975;mircea_popescu;!up chicago
1178727;1435382005;Chicago;Hey thanks, Whats the topic this hour?
1178728;1435382330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8415 @ 0.00040461 = 3.4048 BTC [+]
1178729;1435382416;mircea_popescu;hm. nothing much.
1178730;1435382464;scoopbot_revived;The actual state of the Bitcoin network http://trilema.com/2015/the-actual-state-of-the-bitcoin-network/
1178731;1435382757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00040513 = 4.6185 BTC [+] {2} 
1178732;1435384282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040911 = 2.7819 BTC [+] {3} 
1178733;1435385777;cazalla;bingo_bar ya should be drinking and chatting to the honeys not irc nerds
1178734;1435386169;mircea_popescu;such as http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0mvqsaLC1qd25mzo1_1280.jpg
1178735;1435386171;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMdHZL )
1178736;1435386226;cazalla;nice big areola
1178737;1435386693;mircea_popescu;"We write elegant and minimal apps that works. We develop web apps with Django framework."
1178738;1435386791;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/domain/dazzlepod.com/new/ << apparently this used to be a thing
1178739;1435386792;assbot;newest submissions : dazzlepod.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMeA4D )
1178740;1435387759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3001 @ 0.00041738 = 1.2526 BTC [+]
1178741;1435387821;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIdT1LEUYAEUfwp.jpg
1178742;1435387822;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMg6Uk )
1178743;1435388308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00041738 = 1.753 BTC [+]
1178744;1435388582;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIfFRqsVEAAsQZ4.jpg
1178745;1435388586;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMhmqw )
1178746;1435388871;punkman;!up NewLiberty
1178747;1435388967;punkman;!up sinetek
1178748;1435390736;cazalla;https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg00216.html
1178749;1435390738;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] Upcoming DOS vulnerability announcements for BitcoinCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nm5IDd )
1178750;1435390992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00041738 = 10.7475 BTC [+]
1178751;1435392864;punkman;!up awokestillY2K
1178752;1435392914;awokestillY2K;thanks punk, rottentomatos is flagged too, loled on arnie
1178753;1435393194;punkman;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33296839
1178754;1435393195;assbot;Greece debt crisis: Tsipras announces bailout referendum - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hm1c7t )
1178755;1435393211;punkman;apparently that's gonna cost about 100mil euros
1178756;1435393352;mircea_popescu;what better use of money.
1178757;1435393676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00040854 = 6.6592 BTC [-]
1178758;1435394075;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZmw-1wj5Q
1178759;1435394076;assbot;LOLAWOLF - Every Fuckin Day - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hm2Iqg )
1178760;1435394254;cazalla;nice one america, now i'm gonna hear even more gay marriage bullshit downunder
1178761;1435394357;cazalla;not that i really give a fuck what a bunch of gender bender trans fluid unicorns do, just the fucking posturing "i'm sooo progressive look at moi, look at moi, look at moooi"
1178762;1435394489;awokestillY2K;lol, who gives a fuck?
1178763;1435394519;punkman;what if you are allergic to rainbows
1178764;1435394533;awokestillY2K;aussie refferendum would cost n100 rainbows
1178765;1435394586;cazalla;awokestillY2K, ya know this will be the hot topic the aus gov uses at the next election to pass the baton
1178766;1435394604;awokestillY2K;bitcoin unaffected
1178767;1435394698;awokestillY2K;you can thank your favourite god that noones forcing anyone to get married
1178768;1435394810;cazalla;!up awokestillY2K
1178769;1435394856;cazalla;u trollin' me vexual?
1178770;1435394873;awokestillY2K;hell no
1178771;1435394893;awokestillY2K;here im starting to work on 48 unit billable days tho
1178772;1435394896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68944 @ 0.000402 = 27.7155 BTC [-] {2} 
1178773;1435394932;awokestillY2K;im looking for ore to build u a 316 10kg machete
1178774;1435394967;cazalla;i'm good machete wise
1178775;1435394972;awokestillY2K;nuff said
1178776;1435395626;awokestillY2K;machetes are for plantlife kids, lets make that clear
1178777;1435395696;awokestillY2K;thats not illegal yet?
1178778;1435395743;cazalla;http://gov.texas.gov/news/press-release/21131?utm_medium=social&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=20150626_txgov-p-scotus_samesexmarriage_06262015_twitter&utm_content=txgov
1178779;1435395745;assbot;Office of the Governor - Greg Abbott - [Press Release] Governor Abbott Statement On Supreme Court Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hm5dZI )
1178780;1435395811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00039718 = 11.4388 BTC [-]
1178781;1435395877;awokestillY2K;personally, i'd prefer law and religion separate
1178782;1435395911;awokestillY2K;too many abbotts
1178783;1435395929;cazalla;i'm hoping it will act as kindling
1178784;1435395937;awokestillY2K;howso?
1178785;1435396025;cazalla;more crazies doing their thing is how
1178786;1435396311;awokestillY2K;meh
1178787;1435396453;awokestillY2K;seen dope(2015) yet?
1178788;1435396492;awokestillY2K;whats mine is mine whats yours is yours
1178789;1435396551;cazalla;nah, have not been to the cinemas in years
1178790;1435396562;awokestillY2K;me neither
1178791;1435396594;awokestillY2K;i did see madmax on someones recoommendatiuon
1178792;1435396640;awokestillY2K;poor cunt spent half the movie with forks for teeth
1178793;1435396691;cazalla;fuck paying $25 to sit through 45m of commercials.. the fucking hide
1178794;1435396782;cazalla;!up awokestillY2K
1178795;1435396790;awokestillY2K;i think i paid 8.50
1178796;1435396833;cazalla;independents bit too far for me to bother
1178797;1435396851;awokestillY2K;check the xits for entry
1178798;1435396871;awokestillY2K;youll rage tho
1178799;1435397122;awokestillY2K;if you're a madmax fan
1178800;1435397254;fluffypony;cazalla: agreed
1178801;1435397268;awokestillY2K;u seen it pony?
1178802;1435397270;fluffypony;replaced our TV with a Canon WUX400ST
1178803;1435397292;awokestillY2K;nevermind ill release the breeders
1178804;1435397294;fluffypony;and got a Silver Ticket projector screen
1178805;1435397299;awokestillY2K;not bothered
1178806;1435397311;fluffypony;now there's no way I'm going to the movies again
1178807;1435397325;awokestillY2K;i got stuck to the seat
1178808;1435397349;awokestillY2K;waiting for 3d
1178809;1435397419;awokestillY2K;oldman moved, tasty arrived
1178810;1435397434;awokestillY2K;i dont see it
1178811;1435397444;cazalla;can't see 3d.. took me something like 20 years to understand why i couldn't see those stereoscopic books as a kid too
1178812;1435397633;awokestillY2K;its a schooner!
1178813;1435397689;cazalla;ya drinking awokestillY2K ?
1178814;1435397702;awokestillY2K;^mallratz
1178815;1435397733;cazalla;i'll take that as a yes (still sober this month)
1178816;1435397746;awokestillY2K;im planning sober 2.0
1178817;1435397763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17332 @ 0.00039868 = 6.9099 BTC [+]
1178818;1435397866;cazalla;i'm thinking i'll refrain unless i make it myself.. have a guava here and in a few years time shahtoot mulberries should be big enough to make something
1178819;1435397936;awokestillY2K;bats rape mine
1178820;1435397970;cazalla;put up some netting
1178821;1435397970;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjrf6vzrV6w
1178822;1435397971;assbot;Awreeoh - Don't Get Deleted - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnl3ah )
1178823;1435397979;cazalla;we had possums.. had
1178824;1435397990;awokestillY2K;fuck that, gotta pull the cunts out, hendra
1178825;1435398021;awokestillY2K;rabies too
1178826;1435398036;awokestillY2K;how to solve possum?
1178827;1435398048;cazalla;ask them nicely to leave?
1178828;1435398082;awokestillY2K;whats the purple bin for?
1178829;1435398124;cazalla;nfi
1178830;1435398198;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W54z1Yvvtos
1178831;1435398199;assbot;Coloured bins | Problems | Starts 9pm, Wednesday, 21 Nov 2012 on ABC1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnlm4X )
1178832;1435398256;cazalla;aww shit mate gotta put the bins out
1178833;1435398282;awokestillY2K;lol
1178834;1435398300;awokestillY2K;u should hear my recycling bin
1178835;1435398320;awokestillY2K;breaking glass
1178836;1435398422;awokestillY2K;neighbours know whats going on like ur dicks on tumbler
1178837;1435398422;cazalla;nah, that bouncing sound
1178838;1435398451;awokestillY2K;shit dont break
1178839;1435398489;cazalla;one for you awokestillY2K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSiehK2asbI
1178840;1435398490;assbot;#ProudToLove -  Celebrating Marriage Equality and LGBT Pride Month - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnlEbO )
1178841;1435398576;awokestillY2K;man i love rainbows as much as the next guy, but i like pussy
1178842;1435398693;cazalla;how self absorbed can one be to make a coming out video where you don't really come out to your parents but just send them a link to a video
1178843;1435398990;cazalla;!up awokestillY2K
1178844;1435399044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00040982 = 9.6513 BTC [+]
1178845;1435399129;awokestillY2K;does anyone not read ass these days?
1178846;1435399341;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9_YSj9wyjQ
1178847;1435399342;assbot;Snoop Dogg, Dr.Dre & Jewell - Just Dippin' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnmBkr )
1178848;1435399601;cazalla;awokestillY2K, http://8ch.net/b/res/3236027.html pic one
1178849;1435399605;assbot;/b/ - Clothes on and off ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnn2Lu )
1178850;1435399660;awokestillY2K;you want me to quote on areolae?
1178851;1435399694;cazalla;whatever takes your fancy
1178852;1435399722;awokestillY2K;quick glance i see nothing
1178853;1435399727;cazalla;half these women have shaving rash mind you, guess noone told em about wax
1178854;1435399739;awokestillY2K;theres ;;lasers now
1178855;1435399777;awokestillY2K;big in milan
1178856;1435399820;awokestillY2K;!g japan gorilla
1178857;1435399898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00041392 = 17.0121 BTC [+] {2} 
1178858;1435400042;cazalla;damn this one used a broken bottle to shave http://8ch.net/b/src/1435255283858-2.jpg
1178859;1435400046;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJnjEg )
1178860;1435400066;cazalla;check the arms heh
1178861;1435400189;cazalla;http://8ch.net/b/src/1435255745416-2.jpg hairy, like animal!
1178862;1435400190;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJnBem )
1178863;1435400237;awokestillY2K;hey if you dont want a precise machete thats ur biz
1178864;1435400327;cazalla;nothing like a bit of period on the thighs http://8ch.net/b/src/1435256482469-0.jpg
1178865;1435400328;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJnOOH )
1178866;1435400330;awokestillY2K;im orf to bali to buy cocaine from a north african and install the latest russian adobe update]
1178867;1435400359;awokestillY2K;its all ruit, what else u got?
1178868;1435400363;awokestillY2K;*ruin
1178869;1435400526;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=815O6Qj2Nx8
1178870;1435400527;assbot;South Pacific: Bali Hai - 1949, Martin & Pinza - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dno4Hx )
1178871;1435400529;cazalla;ya know that ukrainian doll never came back
1178872;1435400536;awokestillY2K;which one?
1178873;1435400546;cazalla;mfc
1178874;1435400564;awokestillY2K;wha?
1178875;1435400569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.0004134 = 12.2714 BTC [-]
1178876;1435400630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 99 @ 0.054 = 5.346 BTC [-]
1178877;1435400731;awokestillY2K;shes prolly making more elsewhere
1178878;1435400755;awokestillY2K;aint no crime
1178879;1435400838;cazalla;!up awokestillY2K
1178880;1435400993;awokestillY2K;oh
1178881;1435400993;cazalla;shame that nearly all of 'em don't give as much as a smile
1178882;1435401000;awokestillY2K;sorry, thats on me
1178883;1435401035;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2z9lkNn6zQ
1178884;1435401036;assbot;Bali High OST - "Bali High" [Official Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnoD40 )
1178885;1435401429;awokestillY2K;^
1178886;1435401506;cazalla;!up sinetek
1178887;1435401509;awokestillY2K;!up sinetek
1178888;1435401527;cazalla;ya know if you regged a fucking gpg key ya might be able to do that awokestillY2K
1178889;1435401563;awokestillY2K;when eulora has instructions
1178890;1435401606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23989 @ 0.00041485 = 9.9518 BTC [+] {2} 
1178891;1435401607;awokestillY2K;whats ur story sinetek?
1178892;1435401625;cazalla;awokestillY2K, it does
1178893;1435401639;awokestillY2K;where?
1178894;1435401673;cazalla;awokestillY2K, see it is already starting http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-27/us-supreme-court-ruling-same-sex-marriage-australia-debate-mps/6578058
1178895;1435401673;assbot;US Supreme Court ruling in favour of same-sex marriage could influence debate in Australia, federal politicians say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnp7Hv )
1178896;1435401685;awokestillY2K;dafuq?
1178897;1435402035;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Dsq41LY28
1178898;1435402036;assbot;Apartment - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnpAJC )
1178899;1435402242;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3NWOa6K7MI
1178900;1435402243;assbot;Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (Feat. MØ) (Jonas Aden Remix) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnpLEL )
1178901;1435402519;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI
1178902;1435402520;assbot;Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (feat. MØ) (Official Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dnq56y )
1178903;1435402588;awokestillY2K;0 princesses
1178904;1435402845;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Heiko ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Heiko ; )
1178905;1435402847;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpoJ9K )
1178906;1435402893;punkman;lots of empty ATMs from what I hear
1178907;1435403131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18689 @ 0.00040982 = 7.6591 BTC [-]
1178908;1435403406;punkman;!up awokestillY2K
1178909;1435403416;awokestillY2K;greek atms?
1178910;1435403430;punkman;ye
1178911;1435403457;punkman;also acquaintances told to come back monday when they tried to take out cash yesterday
1178912;1435403466;punkman;before then announcement that is
1178913;1435403494;punkman;*the
1178914;1435403523;awokestillY2K;look on the bright side, youll prolly get cool aussie polymer notes u can swim wit
1178915;1435403546;awokestillY2K;we're tight with the imf
1178916;1435403552;punkman;gonna be a fun week I guess
1178917;1435403576;awokestillY2K;!g red diamond
1178918;1435403627;awokestillY2K;argyles autioning the reddest stone ever
1178919;1435403759;awokestillY2K;http://www.businessinsider.com.au/photos-the-2015-argyle-pink-diamond-tender-2015-6 shes in fashion
1178920;1435403761;assbot;PHOTOS: The 2015 Argyle pink diamond tender | Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1JppSy1 )
1178921;1435403824;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPA68htGxk
1178922;1435403825;assbot;Suede - She's In Fashion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JppUpM )
1178923;1435404076;awokestillY2K;euro was a fucked idea from day 1
1178924;1435404130;awokestillY2K;really what r u selling?
1178925;1435404229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00041953 = 27.689 BTC [+] {5} 
1178926;1435404283;awokestillY2K;punkman might not care but erry useless cunt on the floor wants out
1178927;1435404312;awokestillY2K;thats about right eh punk?
1178928;1435404337;punkman;yeah everyone taking out their 500eur to keep under the mattress
1178929;1435404354;awokestillY2K;meanwhile errone with a shed heres syntheticing diamonds
1178930;1435404392;punkman;gonna be a great week for burglars
1178931;1435404399;awokestillY2K;really?
1178932;1435404451;punkman;well not hard to hide 10 bills, but I'm sure there'll be some jackpots
1178933;1435404519;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPA68htGxk
1178934;1435404520;assbot;Suede - She's In Fashion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG7QGZ )
1178935;1435404530;awokestillY2K;wrong
1178936;1435404550;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emutat3_IP0
1178937;1435404551;assbot;John Farnham - Pressure Down - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG7TTm )
1178938;1435404553;awokestillY2K;wronger
1178939;1435404633;punkman;here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nAH97GazGo
1178940;1435404634;assbot;Σπ��ος γ�αμμένος & χο�ωδία "αγάπη �ε+" Έπεσα απ' τα σ�ννεφα - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG7XlZ )
1178941;1435404780;awokestillY2K;whats tyhis\?
1178942;1435404974;awokestillY2K;tastes like lamb goat
1178943;1435405083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 306 @ 0.00629999 = 1.9278 BTC [-]
1178944;1435405183;awokestillY2K;where goat is best lamb,being most resourceful\
1178945;1435405231;awokestillY2K;i only eat the cheese, but still
1178946;1435405510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00041665 = 9.1246 BTC [-]
1178947;1435405726;punkman;!up awokestillY2K
1178948;1435405876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00039718 = 9.4727 BTC [-]
1178949;1435405971;awokestillY2K;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1vxlr7_cypress-hill-rusko-feat-damian-marley-can-t-keep-me-down_music <<<flaggededest
1178950;1435405971;assbot;Cypress Hill & Rusko feat Damian Marley "Can't Keep Me Down" - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1RG9DvN )
1178951;1435406107;awokestillY2K;senn dogg left after this
1178952;1435406302;awokestillY2K;do you even mine?
1178953;1435406312;awokestillY2K;pankkake?
1178954;1435406331;awokestillY2K;back pon a forum
1178955;1435406356;awokestillY2K;u think we dont wake up and check github?
1178956;1435406390;awokestillY2K;we need u bruz
1178957;1435406417;awokestillY2K;whatever
1178958;1435406632;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU769XX_dIQ
1178959;1435406633;assbot;Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGavQY )
1178960;1435406822;awokestillY2K;u need to make you a sword?
1178961;1435406858;awokestillY2K;i think i owe u 0.5
1178962;1435407004;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQBttKoetqo
1178963;1435407005;assbot;paranoid black sabbath (lyrics included) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fMDx5D )
1178964;1435407038;punkman;sword or machete
1178965;1435407061;awokestillY2K;machete dont text
1178966;1435407074;awokestillY2K;and is heavy
1178967;1435407091;awokestillY2K;fuck a gookface
1178968;1435407112;awokestillY2K;gookface gets +5
1178969;1435407219;awokestillY2K;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Lft6EQh-Y
1178970;1435407220;assbot;full metal jacket intro monologue - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGbf8Q )
1178971;1435409492;punkman;!up BtQqZrS6gLw
1178972;1435409497;punkman;are those brainwallets
1178973;1435409520;BtQqZrS6gLw;nah that kylie minogue circa '93\
1178974;1435409540;BtQqZrS6gLw;0 brain
1178975;1435409597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98758 @ 0.00039335 = 38.8465 BTC [-] {4} 
1178976;1435410040;BtQqZrS6gLw;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHguy4xHGSg
1178977;1435410041;assbot;Future - Move That Dope ft. Pharrell Williams, Pusha T - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpyPHC )
1178978;1435410086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21762 @ 0.00039198 = 8.5303 BTC [-] {2} 
1178979;1435410146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9588 @ 0.00039113 = 3.7502 BTC [-] {2} 
1178980;1435410429;BtQqZrS6gLw;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2t1kzo < buried to the bingoboingos
1178981;1435410430;assbot;The Dukes of Hazzard S03E18 By-Line, Daisy Duke - Video Dailymotion ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpzrgF )
1178982;1435410634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00039587 = 4.7504 BTC [+]
1178983;1435410805;BtQqZrS6gLw;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8duRDsS8E
1178984;1435410806;assbot;WOLF CREEK Trailer  (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpA4a3 )
1178985;1435411124;BtQqZrS6gLw;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-yj2Gv2Zq8
1178986;1435411125;assbot;Machete Dildo - You're a Cop (Anal Cunt Cover) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpAyNd )
1178987;1435411246;BtQqZrS6gLw;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5hA5EuwVfA
1178988;1435411247;assbot;Machete Don't Text! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGVN5f )
1178989;1435411610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00039587 = 1.0491 BTC [+]
1178990;1435411632;punkman;!up doyouevenpan
1178991;1435411682;doyouevenpan;machete being the motherfuckinest
1178992;1435411842;doyouevenpan;put the fuck on a horse hell inver and ride pon the belly strap
1178993;1435411875;punkman;http://hexatomium.github.io/2015/06/26/ms-very-quietly-adds-18-new-trusted-root-certs/
1178994;1435411875;assbot;          Microsoft quietly pushes 18 new trusted root certificates · HA       ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpC3eh )
1178995;1435412022;doyouevenpan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVfA9r-AVOg <this is gonna hurt
1178996;1435412024;assbot;Daryl Braithwaite - One Summer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpCfKu )
1178997;1435412262;doyouevenpan;i challenge bb to karaoke this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoK0u52Tw4
1178998;1435412263;assbot;Kaoma - Lambada (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpCGEI )
1178999;1435412356;doyouevenpan;better draw a line on fat hate
1179000;1435412490;doyouevenpan;eureka!
1179001;1435412525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039443 = 8.8352 BTC [-]
1179002;1435412529;doyouevenpan;u need a seamstress tape?
1179003;1435412548;doyouevenpan;just go around!
1179004;1435412586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35753 @ 0.00039112 = 13.9837 BTC [-]
1179005;1435412785;doyouevenpan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSKJQ18ZoIA
1179006;1435412786;assbot;Ritchie Valens - La Bamba - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGWXxH )
1179007;1435412868;doyouevenpan;dh4
1179008;1435412882;doyouevenpan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSuHVYv_dh4
1179009;1435412883;assbot;Earache My Eye Metal - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGX4JE )
1179010;1435412927;doyouevenpan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJW67QN24SA
1179011;1435412927;assbot;Cheech & Chong - Earache My Eye - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpDUzT )
1179012;1435413014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17985 @ 0.00040181 = 7.2266 BTC [+] {2} 
1179013;1435413117;doyouevenpan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg < vuples
1179014;1435413117;assbot;Cheech & Chong - Low Rider - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpEfme )
1179015;1435413223;doyouevenpan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcmvwFcfWmY
1179016;1435413224;assbot;Rockin' Robin (Original) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpEu0m )
1179017;1435413361;doyouevenpan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IxMxZ6E0T4
1179018;1435413362;assbot;Cheech and Chong - Me and my old lady - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGXsrL )
1179019;1435413928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00039429 = 18.9259 BTC [-] {3} 
1179020;1435414581;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178993 << run moar winblowz!
1179021;1435414581;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 13:31:15; punkman: http://hexatomium.github.io/2015/06/26/ms-very-quietly-adds-18-new-trusted-root-certs/
1179022;1435414642;punkman;(tm)
1179023;1435414782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00039107 = 10.246 BTC [-]
1179024;1435415648;decimation;asciilifeform: heres yer mandatory keys
1179025;1435417159;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/protocol_8cpp.html << do you know of a way to constrain the width of the graphical diagrams ? (such that they might fit on a reasonable display...)
1179026;1435417160;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/protocol.cpp File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1eP1XeR )
1179027;1435417160;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1179028;1435417344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22680 @ 0.0004091 = 9.2784 BTC [+]
1179029;1435417649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00040932 = 12.1977 BTC [+] {2} 
1179030;1435418503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040875 = 11.0363 BTC [-]
1179031;1435418869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00039999 = 18.7195 BTC [-] {3} 
1179032;1435419235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41859 @ 0.00039894 = 16.6992 BTC [-]
1179033;1435420503;asciilifeform;http://public.wsu.edu/~jackdoll/jak/comp/z80/z80p.htm << yes - computer!
1179034;1435420505;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SSGb8f )
1179035;1435420521;asciilifeform;(and is that a bagpipe ?!)
1179036;1435420578;mats;hue hue
1179037;1435420623;mats;four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
1179038;1435420638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039894 = 8.9363 BTC [-]
1179039;1435420648;asciilifeform;mats beat my record, l0l
1179040;1435420699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23257 @ 0.00039894 = 9.2781 BTC [-]
1179041;1435420744;*;asciilifeform shudders to think how much time he would blow on mpexing if he still had account
1179042;1435420796;mats;it helps that i have a window open for this channel most of the day
1179043;1435420819;asciilifeform;i think just about everybody here has a separate display panel for it...
1179044;1435420835;*;asciilifeform does
1179045;1435420863;chetty;me doesn't
1179046;1435420908;asciilifeform;chetty doesn't need one, lives in the meat b-a
1179047;1435421116;chetty;:D
1179048;1435421919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00039164 = 6.8341 BTC [-] {2} 
1179049;1435422041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00040353 = 1.8966 BTC [+]
1179050;1435422346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00040353 = 4.2572 BTC [+]
1179051;1435423258;mod6;asciilifeform: hi, no unfortunately I end up doing a bunch of side-scrolling too.
1179052;1435423599;mod6;when I get a chance, i'll see if there is anything to be done about it.  (if anyone has any suggestions, let me know)
1179053;1435425335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.000392 = 20.3056 BTC [-] {3} 
1179054;1435426067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37614 @ 0.00040103 = 15.0843 BTC [+] {3} 
1179055;1435426128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2599 @ 0.00041272 = 1.0727 BTC [+]
1179056;1435426433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3053 @ 0.00039618 = 1.2095 BTC [-]
1179057;1435426555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15234 @ 0.00039618 = 6.0354 BTC [-]
1179058;1435426616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29816 @ 0.00039119 = 11.6637 BTC [-] {2} 
1179059;1435427751;punkman;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9790544
1179060;1435427752;assbot;Ask HN: Why don't tech companies build dorms on campus? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWYWTZ )
1179061;1435427847;asciilifeform;doesn't google corp. have'em ?
1179062;1435427864;punkman;not sure
1179063;1435427879;punkman;common in china though, works well for them
1179064;1435428065;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-06-2015#1178678 << related to >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#749841
1179065;1435428065;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 03:32:52; decimation: he has some interesting posts relating chinese history: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/giving-the-handle/
1179066;1435428065;assbot;Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
1179067;1435428169;asciilifeform;'giving the handle' is how pedos came to play their seemingly disproportionate share in all american structures, from sport clubs to state governments
1179068;1435428204;mats;hacker dorms is a common thing
1179069;1435428212;mats;e.g. 'Workday'
1179070;1435428225;asciilifeform;whassat
1179071;1435428326;mats;software company that puts interns in such dorms for the summer
1179072;1435428507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18401 @ 0.00041261 = 7.5924 BTC [+] {2} 
1179073;1435428508;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; )
1179074;1435428510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eKZkup )
1179075;1435428612;mats;in exchange they get to put on their resume, 'Associate Software Engineer -- Workday, Inc'
1179076;1435428629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00040851 = 10.2945 BTC [-] {2} 
1179077;1435428649;mats;i would not want to live and breathe work but to each their own
1179078;1435428751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24036 @ 0.00039194 = 9.4207 BTC [-]
1179079;1435429117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00039194 = 14.7369 BTC [-]
1179080;1435429141;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179037 < hey congrats
1179081;1435429141;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
1179082;1435429307;asciilifeform;mats: many of the arguments against 'google dorm' don't hold water. e.g., the current 'collect 200k/y salary, give 180k/y to housing racket' system is just as impoverishing; 'lose your job, lose your housing' is just as true now for the fools paying those 180k to live in auto range of palo alto etc.; the squalor is just the same in the palo alto 'efficiency' flat as in any dorm; and so forth
1179083;1435429346;mats;its really not that much for housing
1179084;1435429389;mats;you can rent 1br1ba with living room in santa clara for ~2500/mo
1179085;1435429395;asciilifeform;mats: if you're willing to spend half the day in a car
1179086;1435429414;mats;which is 25mins commute from e.g. infinity loop
1179087;1435429428;mats;(former resident of cupertino here)
1179088;1435429453;asciilifeform;there's gotta be a catch
1179089;1435429463;mats;there is not
1179090;1435429484;asciilifeform;tanstaafl (tm) (r)
1179091;1435429488;mats;marginally more hispanics and crime but not noticeable
1179092;1435429530;asciilifeform;mats: so how do you explain the astronomical real estate near the sv gas giants ?
1179093;1435429596;mats;im not saying its not reasonable
1179094;1435429633;mats;but service industry slaves do get by with living within driving distance and renting
1179095;1435429650;asciilifeform;and cabbies spend 12h/day in car, what of it
1179096;1435429671;mats;you won't get the lifestyle seen on HBO's Silicon Valley but it is workable
1179097;1435429685;asciilifeform;l0l the folks in 'silicon valley' live in a flophouse
1179098;1435429711;mats;i refer to kid being promoted beyond competence who buys yacht
1179099;1435429714;asciilifeform;but yes, if the show were realistic they would spend most of each episode in traffic
1179100;1435429901;asciilifeform;obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607598
1179101;1435429901;assbot;Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
1179102;1435430154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9204 @ 0.00039194 = 3.6074 BTC [-]
1179103;1435430869;mats;http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/apa/5090668562.html << condominiums
1179104;1435430871;assbot;Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhKJlB )
1179105;1435430960;mats;heh, 645 sq ft
1179106;1435431022;asciilifeform;bet it's got no dishwasher
1179107;1435431044;asciilifeform;(pestilentially common problem where i live, on the other coast, also)
1179108;1435431064;asciilifeform;sorta like having no toilet
1179109;1435431072;asciilifeform;yes, you can live there...
1179110;1435431310;mats;you have my condolences
1179111;1435431356;jurov;as it happens... i have no dishwasher, too
1179112;1435431390;asciilifeform;does jurov have dishes ?
1179113;1435431419;jurov;lol i do. but nothing that can't be washed in 5 minutes
1179114;1435431539;jurov;and since there's pub with good food and kebap around the corner...
1179115;1435431557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56650 @ 0.00039163 = 22.1858 BTC [-] {2} 
1179116;1435431565;*;asciilifeform used to do that
1179117;1435431617;asciilifeform;jurov: the bleeding edge of this, as i understand, is jp, where you can live in a kind of 'coffin'
1179118;1435431642;asciilifeform;looks sorta like the multi-'resident' mausoleums in b-a cemetery
1179119;1435431661;asciilifeform;open vault, squeeze in, sleep (or watch movies on the little screen)
1179120;1435431712;jurov;i see... but i kinda like to get served and meet neighbors in that pub
1179121;1435431722;asciilifeform;well yes. sleep in coffin, then get up, pub.
1179122;1435431730;jurov;yay!
1179123;1435431808;jurov;when i got a window fixed some months ago, asked them to add external blinds
1179124;1435431823;jurov;and i do use them to have darkness like in coffin :D
1179125;1435431836;asciilifeform;got those here, works great
1179126;1435431844;asciilifeform;except that sometimes forget to wake up
1179127;1435431851;jurov;^that
1179128;1435431879;jurov;;;ticker
1179129;1435431880;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 248.86, Best ask: 248.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 248.87, 24 hour volume: 14381.80943877, 24 hour low: 241.45, 24 hour high: 249.77, 24 hour vwap: None
1179130;1435431895;jurov;did xinhua say anything?
1179131;1435432012;mats;no
1179132;1435432130;asciilifeform;jurov: http://imgur.com/dGBgxvL << the tombs in question
1179133;1435432131;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhLUl7 )
1179134;1435432180;jurov;haha doesn't look very comfortable
1179135;1435432195;asciilifeform;the ones for live customers in jp are a bit cushier iirc
1179136;1435432205;mats;they prefer the term 'space pods'
1179137;1435432233;jurov;and if, i'd prefer to get cremated every evening instead
1179138;1435432244;asciilifeform;!b 6
1179139;1435432245;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZQWZTV.txt )
1179140;1435432276;asciilifeform;phoenix hotel.
1179141;1435432480;mats; ;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
1179142;1435432496;mats;;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
1179143;1435432497;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1179144;1435432507;mats;useless
1179145;1435432533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00039778 = 7.9158 BTC [+] {2} 
1179146;1435433204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004012 = 13.8013 BTC [+]
1179147;1435433393;shinohai;!up TRS80`
1179148;1435433436;shinohai;$fap.lesbian
1179149;1435433438;TRS80`;shinohai: 2013-03-29T12:00:00+0000: Nasty Lesbian Threesome <http://galleries.badlesbiangirls.com/photos/190/?t1/pps=house>
1179150;1435433714;shinohai;$part
1179151;1435434412;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=11 (Trustcenter_EU ; )
1179152;1435434414;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpoJ9K )
1179153;1435434786;punkman;lots of germans eh
1179154;1435435124;asciilifeform;;;later tell lobbes can haz the url of phuctored key preserved in bot ? ty
1179155;1435435124;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1179156;1435435533;shinohai;@ asciilifeform I made a phuctored command for my bot so I can always see the latest keys
1179157;1435435660;scoopbot_revived;Long Term Update https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/06/27/long-term-update-8/
1179158;1435435679;jurov;asciilifeform stuff like this would deserve link shortener http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F23D7F58ABF380DED38B90B7A863487995DE825B7123B745156A8C49D63469DE#6A592C27FA423D7611456BE2AB693337463EA07754CAA07957D6AFCFA63984E2
1179159;1435435683;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhPjQX )
1179160;1435435842;shinohai;$phuctor 5
1179161;1435435854;shinohai;well
1179162;1435435878;shinohai;$part
1179163;1435435888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60676 @ 0.00039062 = 23.7013 BTC [-] {3} 
1179164;1435435916;shinohai;Hmmm. I think I will give that a shot
1179165;1435436254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65174 @ 0.00038989 = 25.4107 BTC [-] {2} 
1179166;1435436864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00038855 = 11.7731 BTC [-] {2} 
1179167;1435437550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179037 << i thought you didn't exist.
1179168;1435437550;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
1179169;1435437622;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179073 << hey could it link to the actual key page rather than the rss ?
1179170;1435437622;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 18:08:28; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; )
1179171;1435437643;*;asciilifeform asked this today..
1179172;1435437660;mircea_popescu;ah.
1179173;1435437663;mircea_popescu;and in other news... 73.
1179174;1435437682;mircea_popescu;Trustcenter_EU <trust@mch.sbs.de>; among the lulziest.
1179175;1435437692;asciilifeform;thrustcenter
1179176;1435437705;mircea_popescu;lol
1179177;1435437832;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179158 << it's a hash. and chopping hashes is quite possibly how we ended up on planet with phuctorable keys in the first place!
1179178;1435437832;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 20:07:59; jurov: asciilifeform stuff like this would deserve link shortener http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F23D7F58ABF380DED38B90B7A863487995DE825B7123B745156A8C49D63469DE#6A592C27FA423D7611456BE2AB693337463EA07754CAA07957D6AFCFA63984E2
1179179;1435437921;jurov;i see. full hashes should be used everywhere. except for btc-dev patches ;D
1179180;1435437922;mircea_popescu;heh
1179181;1435437928;mircea_popescu;not like anyon ahahahaha zing
1179182;1435437939;mircea_popescu;not like anyone types those by hand or tries to memorize them jurov
1179183;1435437947;mircea_popescu;what's the actual ux case for shortening it.
1179184;1435437948;jurov;btw, have you seen my conclusion that gpg signature does not contain anything useful?
1179185;1435437954;asciilifeform;jurov: yes!
1179186;1435437972;asciilifeform;jurov: you were quite right, it won't do, and i oughta have remembered this factoid
1179187;1435437990;mircea_popescu;assbot: Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today!  <<<  ahahaha omfg.
1179188;1435437992;asciilifeform;but munged filenames still stink
1179189;1435438021;mircea_popescu;i'd have so much trouble paying more than 4, maaaaybe 500 bucks for something like that....
1179190;1435438042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 500 buys a doghouse here. don't even want to imagine what it buys on west coast usa
1179191;1435438068;jurov;well. i am sending hashes in headers too, but getting anyone to use them...
1179192;1435438074;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179112 << don't be a noob. dishes are merely the expansion of an invisible slave empire. if you have jets you better have slave hands to go to the farmer market, and to fill the dishes, anbd to wash the dishes.
1179193;1435438074;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 18:56:30; asciilifeform: does jurov have dishes ?
1179194;1435438099;mircea_popescu;jurov i suspect trhat is the correct approach : add to the header space.
1179195;1435438109;asciilifeform;whatever happened to the dark future of robot slaves
1179196;1435438140;mircea_popescu;fuck that.
1179197;1435438148;mircea_popescu;figuratively speaking.
1179198;1435438165;asciilifeform;see, i'm one of those weirdos who keeps, for instance, a computerized vacuum cleaner
1179199;1435438184;asciilifeform;because 1) no i won't do it with bare hands 2) yes, could pay people, but i ~fucking hate people~
1179200;1435438196;mircea_popescu;in other news, omfg bitcoind is a hog.
1179201;1435438203;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which one ?
1179202;1435438208;mircea_popescu;the stock one.
1179203;1435438232;mircea_popescu;we fucking forget. omfg the thing... no wonder nobody runs it. i doubt very much it can be run. like, at all.
1179204;1435438247;asciilifeform;(yes, they're all porcine, but which hog? the little piglet, the muscular european boar, or the half-tonne monster fucked on midwest usa farms ..?)
1179205;1435438252;mircea_popescu;i am looking at 10!!111 load on a 8 cpu, 32 gb raid ssd machine.
1179206;1435438260;asciilifeform;it doesn't parallelize
1179207;1435438265;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu oughtaknowthat
1179208;1435438280;mircea_popescu;the cpu utilization is actually low, but the load is immense because i dunno wtf it does but something stupid.
1179209;1435438287;asciilifeform;i/o
1179210;1435438293;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, it's multithreaded doesn't parallelize :D
1179211;1435438310;mircea_popescu;it's from teh future.
1179212;1435438318;asciilifeform;there's precisely 1 thread that does actual werk
1179213;1435438341;asciilifeform;(if you like thinking about scary dangerous forkz, picture changing this!)
1179214;1435438410;jurov;mircea_popescu: did you publish your addy? it may be an attack
1179215;1435438436;mircea_popescu;this is an unadvertised test run of various releases.
1179216;1435438438;jurov;my 0.10 is chugging around on celeron+5400rpm spinning rot okay
1179217;1435438461;mircea_popescu;the advertised seeder has been working more or less ok - it's not being attacked more than is implicit in the protocol lol.
1179218;1435438481;mircea_popescu;something to the tune of 30ish connections, which seems reasonable for a day old peer.
1179219;1435438497;jurov;o it still syncs?
1179220;1435438561;jurov;lol no  it actually died
1179221;1435438569;jurov;2015-06-27 19:30:42 ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : nonstandard transaction: dust
1179222;1435438571;jurov;2015-06-27 19:30:48 ERROR: ReadBlockFromDisk : OpenBlockFile failed
1179223;1435438579;jurov;^last log before croaking
1179224;1435438601;asciilifeform;http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/bchafy/tiny/tinyterminal.html << archaeological interest
1179225;1435438603;assbot;Smallest 80x25 PC display for less than $20 and other tiny screens ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuZkLq )
1179226;1435438651;mircea_popescu;jurov so wait, is this your 0.10 that was working ok ?
1179227;1435438661;jurov;was.
1179228;1435438665;mircea_popescu;lol
1179229;1435438676;mircea_popescu;"oh my computer is working fine with bitcoind stopped on it"
1179230;1435438711;mircea_popescu;as an absolute prerequisite to any sort of block increase we ABSOLUTELY MUST clean up these shit-stables
1179231;1435438720;jurov;it ran for months till hour and half ago
1179232;1435438787;jurov;watching it restart...
1179233;1435439028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw in the spirit of the "connect" issue : having public and private data separate is iirc not supported STILL. you gotta keep the wallet.dat in same place you keep the blockchain. gold help you if you want it encrypted.
1179234;1435439046;asciilifeform;wallet has to be sawn off as discussed in the past
1179235;1435439049;mircea_popescu;this without going into why the wallet.dat, after being plaintext for a coupla years, was only half-ass encryupted.
1179236;1435439049;scoopbot_revived;A second crack at that scary thing. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/a-second-crack-at-that-scary-thing/
1179237;1435439055;asciilifeform;anything short of that is waste of time
1179238;1435439069;asciilifeform;(wallet on separate box, z80 if you like, etc)
1179239;1435439070;mircea_popescu;wasn't trying to write policy, just bemoan existing insanity.
1179240;1435439116;asciilifeform;if you just want it in some other dir, symlink...
1179241;1435439158;mircea_popescu;i just amply dislike ~the design~ of it.
1179242;1435439169;asciilifeform;not even sure what there is to ~like~ in the design
1179243;1435439190;asciilifeform;it successfully passes for microshit product, stylistically (and in many ways functionally)
1179244;1435439224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179126 << i have them too, the result is that i sometimes forget to sleep./
1179245;1435439224;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 19:04:04; asciilifeform: except that sometimes forget to wake up
1179246;1435439233;asciilifeform;same effect here.
1179247;1435439245;asciilifeform;and i don't have a clock (other than emacs clock) in the room either
1179248;1435439260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahaha if it turns out this was actually written by poor ms indian slavebois, who kept anon simply because of the draconing IP contracts thery had signed...
1179249;1435439274;asciilifeform;or buried alive with the thing
1179250;1435439279;asciilifeform;egyptian-style
1179251;1435439290;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a wonder i even managed to make the conference at all. i haven't had a watch or  aty allcared about time in a decade.
1179252;1435439318;mircea_popescu;at some point travelling i was like "fuck it, WHO CARES what time they thinkg it is."
1179253;1435439320;asciilifeform;wat, mircea_popescu doesn't have a girl follow him around imitating clock hands with arms, legs...?!
1179254;1435439326;mircea_popescu;nah.
1179255;1435439353;mircea_popescu;there is a "no undies - i wanna be able to fondle your cunt" rule, but s'about all.
1179256;1435439398;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i have nfi what you're proposing, but my thinking is that it's more expensive and less productive to think proactively rather than reactively.
1179257;1435439408;mircea_popescu;once a bot or w/e goes off, we see what we do. before, we don't give a shit.
1179258;1435439425;*;asciilifeform mumbles something about parachutes
1179259;1435439426;mircea_popescu;this of course is painful for every good white boy to hear, as it's strictly antipattern and countercultural,
1179260;1435439435;mircea_popescu;and im sure it exactly - irritates alf's parachutes.
1179261;1435439449;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, there is great benefit to being antipattern countercultural when being a guerilla.
1179262;1435439476;asciilifeform;of course folks often forget the other thing about the parachute thing - in sov army, they usedta make you sign it, 'i folded this parachute myself. signed, pvt. schmuck'
1179263;1435439476;mircea_popescu;if it made sense to not be thus, you couldn't be, ~COULD NOT BE~ a guerilla if you wanted to
1179264;1435439483;mircea_popescu;which is why gi joe is so useless in the field.
1179265;1435439528;mircea_popescu;other than that, published code is a good idea, sure. but also - anything is its maker property, and the people in question makin things can best decide what to do with it.
1179266;1435439536;asciilifeform;phun phakt: my father was conscripted into a parachutist regiment. and by that time (late '60s) schmucks were no longer! permitted to fold their own.
1179267;1435439552;asciilifeform;sergeant folded.
1179268;1435439558;mircea_popescu;i think most everyone's using github or w/e - but it wouldn't maybe be such a bad idea to start putting deeds out with the code bundles. with instructions. "run this so and so"
1179269;1435439565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh
1179270;1435439579;asciilifeform;turned out, the 'fold your own' thing resulted in too many (from pov of command) splats.
1179271;1435439622;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: deeds with code bundles and instructions makes sense.
1179272;1435439650;pete_dushenski;and i have no qualms with reacting to circumstance, i'm more getting at : what's to be done with unassigned functions
1179273;1435439659;mircea_popescu;pick a gun pick a post.
1179274;1435439667;mircea_popescu;how every revolutionary war was ever won.
1179275;1435439693;pete_dushenski;pick a gun, pick a post ? not familiar with this one
1179276;1435439696;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: here's an unassigned gun for some eager fella: crap out an ibmpc buildroot for therealbitcoin. as in, something one could throw in the iso slot at a datacentre
1179277;1435439713;mircea_popescu;a loosely maintained list of posts, and a loosely maintained list of "don't shoot that way dummy" makes sense, but s'about all.
1179278;1435439715;asciilifeform;ideally, no install, just finds a block device and shits blockchain to it
1179279;1435439718;asciilifeform;without asking questions
1179280;1435439743;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: nvm, got the post-gun thing now
1179281;1435439746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know this isn't a random process. what makes you think it's for him ?
1179282;1435439751;asciilifeform;it isn't
1179283;1435439754;asciilifeform;just example!
1179284;1435439755;mircea_popescu;aha.
1179285;1435439757;asciilifeform;of an empty post
1179286;1435439791;mircea_popescu;atm the entry level thing for coders is, "follow the pogo thing, build along, test cases etc". for non-coders is, qntra.
1179287;1435439807;mircea_popescu;for artists i suppose it's eulora work etc. there's really no shortage o shit to do.
1179288;1435439833;mircea_popescu;kinda why i keep asking people "who are you". nobody seems to ever be anyone, which is odd, but anyway.
1179289;1435439857;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the ibmpc buildroot sounds like a spec for the 'trilema jobs board'
1179290;1435439869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is really asking'em 'кто ты по жизни'
1179291;1435439876;mircea_popescu;aye.
1179292;1435439877;asciilifeform;and they don't feel like answering, so we can sorta guess!
1179293;1435439884;mircea_popescu;hehe wouldn't go that far
1179294;1435439900;mircea_popescu;"the demands of meatspace readily overwhelm the demands of #bitcoin-assets" << this is everyone's own measure to measure.
1179295;1435439923;asciilifeform;i propose the standard unit of measure be '1 moiety'
1179296;1435439925;pete_dushenski;insert "may" in there, mentally
1179297;1435439928;asciilifeform;large unit, like farad
1179298;1435439953;mircea_popescu;i don't see why i'd want to have an equivalent of the mcd supervisor, calling people at home to remind them they work.
1179299;1435439970;mircea_popescu;just not what this thing's supposed to be, in my dreams.
1179300;1435440005;pete_dushenski;well, people still need incentives
1179301;1435440036;pete_dushenski;sometimes financial, sometimes honourary, sometimes a million other things in a million other ways
1179302;1435440085;mircea_popescu;yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
1179303;1435440101;mircea_popescu;because the only thing it does is select for and breed rats.
1179304;1435440112;mircea_popescu;much like tests in school select for and breed test takers.
1179305;1435440190;pete_dushenski;hm. i have more mulling to do on the topic, it seems.
1179306;1435440192;mircea_popescu;for that matter, people also need self-esteem. i'm not about to "provide" it for them, in vacu-sealed packages. and they need to hunt, which does not reduce to "i'ma let a half dozen naked girlies loose in their room see what happens". that's how rich people destroy their children.
1179307;1435440239;pete_dushenski;is providing something to hunt, or the directions to the hunting field, not 'incentive structure' ?
1179308;1435440259;mircea_popescu;seems you've fucked that hole into some looseness by now...
1179309;1435440279;asciilifeform;didn't mircea_popescu teach us that holes work-anneal ?
1179310;1435440287;mircea_popescu;real ones, yes.
1179311;1435440293;asciilifeform;(like aluminum)
1179312;1435440296;mircea_popescu;kinda how you know if you're fucking live or plastic.
1179313;1435440392;mircea_popescu;(btw - never ask virgin to clamp down on you. it's a little discussed fact that vast majority of penis captivus cases come out of something lik that)
1179314;1435440421;*;asciilifeform never saw anything like solid evidence that said effect actually exists in man
1179315;1435440424;mircea_popescu;(because of the tearing, vagal never innervation makes the smooth muscles over-reactive)
1179316;1435440433;mircea_popescu;does, does.
1179317;1435440438;mircea_popescu;;;google vaginismus
1179318;1435440438;gribble;Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: <http://www.webmd.com/women/guide/vaginismus-causes-symptoms-treatments>; Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginismus>; When Sex Hurts – Vaginismus - SOGC: <http://sogc.org/publications/when-sex-hurts-vaginismus/>
1179319;1435440448;asciilifeform;^ not same as captivus
1179320;1435440490;mircea_popescu;but very related. a spasm is always at the root of both
1179321;1435440508;mircea_popescu;think of pc as "vaginismus that declared while guy was inside"
1179322;1435440539;asciilifeform;well yes, this is the theory
1179323;1435440551;mircea_popescu;(amusingly enough, romanian even has expression to describe this in man - "s-or catelit" ie, they've doggied themselves)
1179324;1435440556;asciilifeform;but evidence for actual case of 'stuck' (in man, not dog) is approx. on par with evidence for loch ness dinosaur
1179325;1435440564;mircea_popescu;you can't get stuck in dog.
1179326;1435440569;mircea_popescu;missing some anatomy.
1179327;1435440577;asciilifeform;dog in dog
1179328;1435440581;mircea_popescu;ah
1179329;1435440589;asciilifeform;(where this is sop)
1179330;1435440601;mircea_popescu;anyway, nah, it happens.
1179331;1435440612;mircea_popescu;dja regard priapismus in same light incidentally ?
1179332;1435440624;asciilifeform;nah that one's bog-simple anatomically
1179333;1435440632;asciilifeform;and pestilentially common
1179334;1435440634;mircea_popescu;aha. same principle tho.
1179335;1435440650;mircea_popescu;innervation driven muscular spasms blocks blood egress
1179336;1435440707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45560 @ 0.00039442 = 17.9698 BTC [+] {2} 
1179337;1435440707;mircea_popescu;ftr, there is no serious evidence as to the exact fisiology of vaginismus either.
1179338;1435440714;mircea_popescu;just accepted.
1179339;1435440748;mircea_popescu;The Most Serene Republic Of~ << this sounds great i gotta say.
1179340;1435440855;pete_dushenski;twas a mighty invention, that.
1179341;1435440858;*;asciilifeform owns a book with title 'the of' on the spine
1179342;1435440906;mircea_popescu;"I am Hilde, from the Most Serene Republic of Tilde"
1179343;1435440968;pete_dushenski;sounds blonde
1179344;1435441006;asciilifeform;hilde, the she-wolf of tildeschwitz
1179345;1435441108;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1179346;1435441115;mircea_popescu;totally. tildeschwitz.
1179347;1435441134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00038756 = 4.6895 BTC [-]
1179348;1435441196;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/motivation.html << re: article - see also.
1179349;1435441197;assbot;Studies Find Reward Often No Motivator - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1fWBSKT )
1179350;1435441227;mircea_popescu;rewards work well if they're genuine.
1179351;1435441229;*;pete_dushenski reading
1179352;1435441234;jurov;haha, so far "eulora client hacker" positions were filled quickest
1179353;1435441237;mircea_popescu;which is to say : come from things not people.
1179354;1435441240;jurov;dunno about reward there
1179355;1435441244;asciilifeform;genuine in the sense that 'i killed this bison myself'
1179356;1435441246;mircea_popescu;jurov you can fly!
1179357;1435441249;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly.
1179358;1435441254;mircea_popescu;the bison - genuinely died.
1179359;1435441262;asciilifeform;and tasty
1179360;1435441275;mircea_popescu;how tasty it is never amounts to much impediment.
1179361;1435441296;asciilifeform;well, at least rudimentarily edible
1179362;1435441304;mircea_popescu;cum's the tastiest thing i nature from what i hear, nobody hunts the cock.
1179363;1435441307;punkman;I trimmed the bison's butthairs, but they grew back.
1179364;1435441314;mircea_popescu;actually... nevermind. my burgeois mentality betrays me.,
1179365;1435441378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00040059 = 11.4969 BTC [+] {3} 
1179366;1435441469;jurov;orly, nobody hunts the cocks?
1179367;1435441570;jurov;scientia sciolorum est mixta ignorantia
1179368;1435441741;jurov;(just some snippet i found today, might be vaguely related, but smells by lingua latina canina)
1179369;1435441842;jurov;https://lurkmore.to/Lingua_latina_non_penis_canina lmao
1179370;1435441844;assbot;Lingua latina non penis canina — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpchbL )
1179371;1435441988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16490 @ 0.00040105 = 6.6133 BTC [+]
1179372;1435442232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16869 @ 0.00040226 = 6.7857 BTC [+] {2} 
1179373;1435442311;jurov;my favourite motto was lately "Historia meretrix vitae" .. on seeing these examples I'm thinking how to get it more...er.. penetrating
1179374;1435442509;mircea_popescu;lol
1179375;1435443031;pete_dushenski;https://www.google.ca/finance?q=SHA%3A000001&ei=_R6PVaHrOoWo2AaA5YPYDw << shanghai composite index taking a tumble of late.
1179376;1435443033;assbot;SSE Composite Index: SHA:000001 quotes & news – Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpeaoQ )
1179377;1435443189;pete_dushenski;also, google finance is as bad as gbtc on otcmarkets : "52 week 1,844.09 - 4,526.92" when peak is clearly 5166 on june 12
1179378;1435443204;pete_dushenski;how hard it this shit ?
1179379;1435443311;pete_dushenski;either way, an *index* losing 19% in two weeks is 2008-level of panic
1179380;1435443461;jurov;SHA got cracked?
1179381;1435443464;williamdunne;Down a flight of stairs
1179382;1435443554;mats;http://log.b-a.link/?date=27-06-2015#1179167 << ?
1179383;1435443554;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 20:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179037 << i thought you didn't exist.
1179384;1435443621;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176379 << I win
1179385;1435443621;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 17:05:14; mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills!
1179386;1435443696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00039984 = 7.0772 BTC [-] {3} 
1179387;1435443768;punkman;http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Want-a-shorter-commute-Pay-900-to-live-in-a-6349066.php
1179388;1435443769;assbot;Want a shorter commute? Pay $900 a month to live in a tent near Google - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpfbx8 )
1179389;1435443800;asciilifeform;^ not tent
1179390;1435443802;asciilifeform;scam.
1179391;1435443827;asciilifeform;or hm, just irrelevant photo
1179392;1435443884;asciilifeform;'Rented a tent, a tent, a tent; / Rented a tent, a tent, a tent. / Rented a tent! / Rented a tent! / Rented a, rented a tent.' -- k. vonnegut. 'sirens of titan' (1959)
1179393;1435444005;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1179394;1435444006;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.3, Best ask: 251.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 251.32, 24 hour volume: 18319.32232325, 24 hour low: 242.6, 24 hour high: 251.77, 24 hour vwap: None
1179395;1435444119;asciilifeform;google folks should prepare for the 5000/mo tents.
1179396;1435444123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46550 @ 0.00041582 = 19.3564 BTC [+]
1179397;1435444123;asciilifeform;because market!
1179398;1435444245;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled marketz!
1179399;1435444269;asciilifeform;that they aren't breathing $5/litre air is only a matter of technological limitations.
1179400;1435444272;asciilifeform;when they can - will.
1179401;1435444367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76888 @ 0.00041664 = 32.0346 BTC [+] {2} 
1179402;1435444475;jurov;free daily cremations!
1179403;1435445221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00039409 = 13.1429 BTC [-] {2} 
1179404;1435445893;williamdunne;Any speculation on what's going to happen with Greece in the coming years then?
1179405;1435445930;williamdunne;Massive decline or outright collapse, followed by the rise of a Nazi party or similar?
1179406;1435445937;jurov;preposterous prosperity!
1179407;1435446280;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179302 << it certainly leads to, how shall i put it, "wordiness" on qntra. certainly not all the time, but that's the temptation.
1179408;1435446280;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 21:21:25; mircea_popescu: yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
1179409;1435446298;trinque;pete_dushenski: part of the answer to the question of making the republic's bot services fault tolerant is getting them within a damn wotnet
1179410;1435446319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00041319 = 6.3218 BTC [+]
1179411;1435446320;pete_dushenski;how do you mean ?
1179412;1435446367;trinque;well, suppose for example someone hates freedom and steals deedbot.org from me
1179413;1435446401;cazalla;pete_dushenski, be specific because i go so far as to exclude the monthly reports from the word counts
1179414;1435446430;pete_dushenski;trinque: go on...
1179415;1435446436;asciilifeform;trinque: wotnet still made of people
1179416;1435446462;trinque;from within the wotnet I may (depending on its design) be able to explicitly delegate the hosting task to some other trusted party should I be absent
1179417;1435446474;pete_dushenski;cazalla: mostly bb's run-on redundancies.
1179418;1435446502;pete_dushenski;cazalla: i have no problem with network diff posts btw
1179419;1435446507;trinque;asciilifeform: yes but not made of DNS necessarily, or any particular IP
1179420;1435446512;cazalla;i really don't think he does that in order to scoop up a few additional shares though
1179421;1435446528;mircea_popescu;williamdunne no dude. greece has the african scam down pat.
1179422;1435446537;mircea_popescu;it's going to simply leech money off a different husband
1179423;1435446540;mircea_popescu;prolly, russia.
1179424;1435446551;williamdunne;Russia too broke, no?
1179425;1435446564;williamdunne;Maybe some Greek princes will emerge
1179426;1435446565;mircea_popescu;when did that happen ?
1179427;1435446575;trinque;they've got craploads of natural resources in their wallet aside from other things
1179428;1435446578;trinque;broke how?
1179429;1435446582;pete_dushenski;cazalla: the incentive is there is all, hard to tease out the psychology past that
1179430;1435446588;mircea_popescu;the greeks have exactly zero incentive to do anything other than "housewife" and haven't, for ~2300 years now.
1179431;1435446590;mircea_popescu;it's not changing./
1179432;1435446633;pete_dushenski;cazalla: it also encourages more frequent posting and more in-depth research, so i'm not saying it's an unreasonable trade-off
1179433;1435446641;williamdunne;trinque: Thought I'd read something about them not being willing to do so, can't find it now though so probably the effects of alcohol
1179434;1435446662;mircea_popescu;spend persia's money, spend rome's money, spend turks money, spend british money, spend usian money, they will spend someone else's money.
1179435;1435446671;pete_dushenski;cazalla: just that it's a function of 'inherently bad' incentive structures
1179436;1435446673;trinque;williamdunne | Maybe some Greek princes will emerge << how bout greek welfare queens?
1179437;1435446676;trinque;wahaha
1179438;1435446686;mircea_popescu;italians only woke up to the model a half millenium later, but basically doing the same.
1179439;1435446696;williamdunne;trinque: How can that emerge? Already exists nope?
1179440;1435446707;trinque;is joke comrade
1179441;1435446717;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: americans will be next... in like 3 centuries
1179442;1435446721;mircea_popescu;Comrade Joke would be an excellent idea for a webcomic
1179443;1435446731;mircea_popescu;set in a faux soviet russia very much like present day us
1179444;1435446734;mircea_popescu;ends up in troubles.
1179445;1435446746;trinque;heh I'd read that
1179446;1435446751;mircea_popescu;me2.
1179447;1435446759;mircea_popescu;there, stuff for people to do. lol.
1179448;1435446764;mircea_popescu;the chan is REPLETE with shit to do.
1179449;1435446798;pete_dushenski;ha!
1179450;1435446822;pete_dushenski;just needs moar people ;)
1179451;1435446838;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski as an exercise for you : what is the difference between the disruption caused by the absence of the comrade joke webcomic, which nobody has started yet, and the disruption caused by the absence of x service, which equally doesn't exist but at some point did ?
1179452;1435446862;mircea_popescu;same thing, it'd seem. "our enemies", ie, sloth and stupidity, have disrupted our webcomic. LET US TAKE MEASURES!11
1179453;1435446886;williamdunne;Can't miss what you don't know?
1179454;1435446887;*;asciilifeform is rather perplexed. who, exactly, is lacking for 'what to do' ?
1179455;1435446897;mircea_popescu;what measures could they be ? shift the active from this to that, therefore disrupting this now ?
1179456;1435446903;asciilifeform;there is so much 'to do' that you could eat with arse!
1179457;1435446905;mircea_popescu;williamdunne oh but i can.
1179458;1435446939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nonstandard stuff is nonstandard, disruption is disruption. the bitcoin (tmsr~) management model is simply difficult to grok
1179459;1435446948;mircea_popescu;much like bitcoin finance is so slippery, even for the best financial minds.
1179460;1435446969;mircea_popescu;they just break so irrationally with the past.
1179461;1435446985;mircea_popescu;not unlike trying to approximate pi on the basis of fortran four.
1179462;1435446995;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol this break is exactly the point i'm making on my 'second crack' update
1179463;1435446996;trinque;man I kinda like that... putting tasks which need done in terms of that which they deprive the republic
1179464;1435447009;trinque;I suppose I'm sentimental
1179465;1435447013;mircea_popescu;trinque just as a mental exercise.
1179466;1435447023;mircea_popescu;to encourage people not to drive themselves mad.
1179467;1435447040;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/a-second-crack-at-that-scary-thing/ << aaaand updated.
1179468;1435447041;assbot;A second crack at that scary thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHJY0p )
1179469;1435447121;mircea_popescu;i am kinda amused by pete's fundamentally tragic figure, btw.
1179470;1435447173;mircea_popescu;he writes these posts in the full knowledge that they'll be like... "NONE OF YOUR DIGITS ARE RIGHT MATE!!!. it's not 4, it's 3. not .0 but .1. not .x0 but .x4. not .xx0 but .xx1. not .xxx0 but .xxx5. etc.
1179471;1435447194;mircea_popescu;"your approximation of pi fails on every single point!111"
1179472;1435447235;mircea_popescu;"i'm trying to do it with integers!"
1179473;1435447237;mircea_popescu;"tough."
1179474;1435447249;pete_dushenski;a poet is me.
1179475;1435447287;pete_dushenski;one who enjoys making a public hash of things, just to let them breathe, then correct
1179476;1435447305;pete_dushenski;it's how i learn, i guess.
1179477;1435447317;pete_dushenski;hopefully others learning alongside !
1179478;1435447355;trinque;yeah keep 'em coming
1179479;1435447426;pete_dushenski;there has to be someone halfway up mt sinai, playing broken telephone between moses and the golden calf lovers.
1179480;1435447466;pete_dushenski;"that's not what i said you idjit !" "oh, my bad, let me try again !" "that's a bit better !"
1179481;1435447519;trinque;I wouldn't be a common lisp programmer by now if I hadn't aired a bunch of idiotic thoughts of my own on programming in public.
1179482;1435447575;jurov;mircea_popescu: another 0.9.1 runs fine for months, only with "errors" : "Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!"
1179483;1435447602;jurov;not sure when they 'cated the warning
1179484;1435447618;trinque;asciilifeform: had a thought earlier driving around re: your observation that there are lisps in many fields: a high water mark reached, then from which retreated.
1179485;1435447624;pete_dushenski;trinque: gotta find the boundaries of the glass jar by ramming into it head-first
1179486;1435447685;asciilifeform;jurov: i spoke of this earlier. it isn't a gavinsignal in the usual sense, but is produced by the crud where version numbers in incoming messages are averaged and compared
1179487;1435447686;trinque;I recall someone making the point that there can be greater distance between men than men and animals
1179488;1435447695;asciilifeform;jurov: it isn't in therealbitcoin
1179489;1435447714;trinque;lisps must occur where there were men orders of magnitude better than their contemporaries, such that the contemporaries barely had any idea what they were doing there
1179490;1435447732;cazalla;jurov, those warnings are the fucking things i've been getting every 2-3 weeks for months
1179491;1435447735;trinque;so they continued on and eventually engulfed the subject in their own shit
1179492;1435447750;trinque;that to me clearly points out the role of power in human life
1179493;1435447755;trinque;to *prevent* that from happening.
1179494;1435447757;asciilifeform;trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around
1179495;1435447773;asciilifeform;just as the slipless ratchet does not exist (and physically cannot. see feynman's perpetuum mobile)
1179496;1435447791;trinque;I don't follow "doesn't leak"
1179497;1435447809;asciilifeform;i.e. forget things
1179498;1435447828;asciilifeform;e.g., archimedes had basic integral calculus
1179499;1435447842;asciilifeform;but then went away for a while.
1179500;1435447863;trinque;probably not enough people got it when it first appeared?
1179501;1435447870;trinque;I recall some theory that this happened with the pyramids
1179502;1435447892;asciilifeform;trinque: 'wanting' wasn't enough in the age of hand-copied text
1179503;1435447900;trinque;there were earlier egyptians supposedly that knew how to make the things, then there were later egyptians that basically squatted on what was built before, having no idea how it got there
1179504;1435447925;asciilifeform;trinque: the ~other~ egyptians (today's) have zero to do with the folks who built pyramids
1179505;1435447926;pete_dushenski;alrighty, time to go run off all this ice cream i've been tragically eating. a la prochaine !
1179506;1435447971;trinque;asciilifeform: isn't this "leaking" more something like not having enough vessels to preserve it?
1179507;1435447992;trinque;someone towering comes along and he knows how to do X; yet without enough others that understood him, it'd make sense that the knowledge ends up lost
1179508;1435448006;asciilifeform;trinque is still thinking in his modern box where preserving things is easy, cheap, and something folks are generally fond of doing
1179509;1435448037;trinque;perhaps
1179510;1435448066;trinque;the vessels I meant were human heads
1179511;1435448171;trinque;I've heard it said that were the US to want to repeat Apollo, they'd have to practically start from scratch, as nearly everyone who had mastery over the processes used before are now dead
1179512;1435448202;mircea_popescu;jurov lawl errors.
1179513;1435448239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i find the proposition that "version numbers" are any sort of program signal utterly retarded.
1179514;1435448257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: write to gavin not me, l0l
1179515;1435448262;mircea_popescu;it's basically an implementation of racism. the presuposition being that the color of the skin conveniently summarizes the abilities of the thing contained in that skin
1179516;1435448327;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around << amusingly enough, re the earlier dog discussion : dog cunt seals, for this reason.
1179517;1435448334;mircea_popescu;i wonder what a civilisation of dogs would be like.
1179518;1435448347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: vernor vinge's 'fire upon the deep' had just this
1179519;1435448354;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1179520;1435448355;asciilifeform;it was lulzy
1179521;1435448366;asciilifeform;(had many lulz, not just this)
1179522;1435448386;mircea_popescu;i am apparently unfamiliar with the sfs of your home world.
1179523;1435448434;asciilifeform;that one's american
1179524;1435448437;asciilifeform;ultra-famous.
1179525;1435448453;asciilifeform;(and the ru translation is even better than original imho)
1179526;1435448640;mircea_popescu;"The recognition that rewards can have counter-productive effects is based on a variety of studies," << it is strictly based on a felonious substitution. it is exactly like saying "sex can be unpleasant for women" on the basis of the sex we practice being very violent rape.
1179527;1435448675;mircea_popescu;the shit the puritan us does for "rewards" is NOT the statu quo. it is just the retarded, intellectually bankrupt, morally offensive charicature of the world the usian puritans came up with.
1179528;1435448701;asciilifeform;hey, engineering constraint. just like sex in afghan means 'with donkey'
1179529;1435448708;asciilifeform;to 1st approx.
1179530;1435448717;mircea_popescu;so no. rewards reward. being associated with the refuse of white civilisation does neither reduce to that, nor stand for it, nor is a basis of a conclusion. of course nobody sane or thinking wishes to be associated with the filth.
1179531;1435448735;mircea_popescu;just like i wouldn't take a nobel on the basis that i do not wish to have the shiot they gave obama.
1179532;1435448768;mircea_popescu;"oh, recognition has ocunter-productive effects". no. perelman rejected the recognition you were offering BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOU
1179533;1435448776;mircea_popescu;not "because it was recognition full stop".
1179534;1435448789;mircea_popescu;and no, promises to pay from josh garza are not bitcoin
1179535;1435448803;mircea_popescu;and no, the "opinions" of tim swanson are NOT opinions. because no wot. and so fucking on.
1179536;1435448827;mircea_popescu;the source matters first and foremost. just like you cant have "a message" without first having the key to decrypt the asc with
1179537;1435449003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31729 @ 0.00041387 = 13.1317 BTC [+]
1179538;1435449064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39176 @ 0.00040388 = 15.8224 BTC [-] {2} 
1179539;1435451045;asciilifeform;http://a4lg.com/memo/2014-12-14/seccon-2014-online-quals-crypto400.html << student exercise
1179540;1435451047;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHU4hY )
1179541;1435451053;asciilifeform;(bad rsa key)
1179542;1435451098;*;trinque hunkers down for more clim hacking
1179543;1435451102;trinque;most fun I've had in years
1179544;1435451107;trinque;re: writing code
1179545;1435451118;asciilifeform;trinque: last time i played with clim under sbcl it was dog-slow
1179546;1435451135;trinque;haven't torqued it hard enough to know yet
1179547;1435451144;trinque;but the clarity
1179548;1435451146;asciilifeform;i mean, even for 'hello world'
1179549;1435451150;trinque;ah, no it's doing fine there
1179550;1435451164;asciilifeform;trinque must be using a recent cpu..
1179551;1435451177;trinque;lol yeah, doing fine with 3+ ghz and 8 cores
1179552;1435451369;*;trinque solemnly swears not to write his own linux distro with clim-based DE in a year
1179553;1435451401;*;trinque chants "do not give in to astonishment" as he fires up the clim listener
1179554;1435452051;mircea_popescu;actually it's quite possible the eventual b-a distribution is a sort of lisp "java machine"
1179555;1435452055;mircea_popescu;ie, what google's trying to do.
1179556;1435452107;mircea_popescu;in other news, women and incentives in tech. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6uukgUutx1rayp8lo1_1280.jpg
1179557;1435452108;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDolh )
1179558;1435452108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wasted years on this. destructive dead end, because ibm pc is a turd
1179559;1435452117;asciilifeform;i.e. the hardware can't be meaningfully abstracted over.
1179560;1435452125;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so is seeking true love.
1179561;1435452150;trinque;can't build a VM for some syslisp which is then implemented later as hardware?
1179562;1435452158;asciilifeform;who doesn't believe me (and why should?) can go waste years himself. like the 'movitz' folks did
1179563;1435452180;mircea_popescu;nah, universal lisp bytecode!
1179564;1435452199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: straight to sbcl, where this is already a thing. plain computation works fine. it's when you get to i/o that you die
1179565;1435452217;mircea_popescu;universal io !
1179566;1435452227;asciilifeform;'lisp doesn't need i/o.' --my brother
1179567;1435452244;mircea_popescu;if a lisp lisps in a ioless forest, has it still lisped ?
1179568;1435452271;asciilifeform;(in point of fact, it doesn't even need an ALU... church numerals!!)
1179569;1435452427;trinque;I'm just glad I figured out I needed to relearn programming at 28 rather than 58
1179570;1435452570;trinque;asciilifeform: how should IO look? what to read?
1179571;1435452592;asciilifeform;trinque: i/o in the very basic sense of talking to the framebuffer, nic, interrupt controller
1179572;1435452602;asciilifeform;disk
1179573;1435452623;asciilifeform;cpu cores
1179574;1435452633;asciilifeform;(well, the smp control gizmo)
1179575;1435452636;asciilifeform;etc.
1179576;1435452731;trinque;right, so on linux I could write some bits to /dev/fb0 ; what might I go read about regarding how that's done on... would genera be a good example?
1179577;1435452740;asciilifeform;trinque: there are no examples.
1179578;1435452744;trinque;ah ok
1179579;1435452771;asciilifeform;trinque: have you read my 'bedrock' article ?
1179580;1435452785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72809 @ 0.00039094 = 28.464 BTC [-] {4} 
1179581;1435452785;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
1179582;1435452787;assbot;Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHYPYN )
1179583;1435452846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13841 @ 0.00038678 = 5.3534 BTC [-]
1179584;1435452852;trinque;asciilifeform: yes I have, and grok the gist, I think
1179585;1435452871;trinque;what would network IO look like if done on a system with proper bedrock abstractions from your view?
1179586;1435452897;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel
1179587;1435452905;gabriel_laddel;ty
1179588;1435452910;trinque;np, and hello
1179589;1435452923;gabriel_laddel;so, for instance, think of the terminal you are now typing into. on a true dataflow box, it would simply be the end of a circuit (screen memory) directly linked to a circuit with the keyboard matrix decoder on the other end of it. you thus also lose the concept of ‘interrupts’ or ‘processes’. a dataflow box doesn’t need a scheduler, or an interrupt
1179590;1435452923;gabriel_laddel; controller.
1179591;1435452929;gabriel_laddel;-- http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1361
1179592;1435452930;assbot;Loper OS » The Alert Reader. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHZ9qt )
1179593;1435452933;asciilifeform;trinque: for this one, symbolics lisp is not a bad example. the key being that ~nothing can happen~ short of the nic catching fire that would land you on any level of abstraction below lisp
1179594;1435452954;asciilifeform;e.g., if a malformed packet appears, or connection breaks at any point in the process, or, or.
1179595;1435452992;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel has it. but in that article i was speaking of 'proper computer', not lispm.
1179596;1435452995;trinque;gabriel_laddel: end of a circuit, so "circuit" is bedrock, or composed thereof?
1179597;1435453038;asciilifeform;trinque: 'bedrock' for our purposes is that which if it malfunctions you physically throw it out.
1179598;1435453040;*;trinque reads through p=1361
1179599;1435453091;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Right. I should have noted that this is an example of what "sane I/O" might look like.
1179600;1435453119;trinque;what is the circuit? how do I write code which reads the current state of the terminal?
1179601;1435453132;trinque;how do I shove bits into it?
1179602;1435453139;asciilifeform;it is the only sane i/o. what we have now is chicken's cloaka, which pisses, shits, fucks, and lays eggs via same orifice (why not also eat with it?)
1179603;1435453158;trinque;is there some data structure manifested in the lisp system which represents the state of the thing?
1179604;1435453160;asciilifeform;trinque: code on dataflow processor controls switching matrix.
1179605;1435453171;asciilifeform;how to represent it is up to the operator
1179606;1435453186;asciilifeform;ultimately it is what your schoolteacher called an 'adjacency matrix.'
1179607;1435453215;trinque;I could declare that the terminal circuit is now connected to (among other things) my circuit which logs terminal stuff?
1179608;1435453222;trinque;and this declaration is...
1179609;1435453229;asciilifeform;these presently exist, you can go to store and buy. called fpga.
1179610;1435453230;trinque;a data structure somewhere read by the switching matrix?
1179611;1435453238;asciilifeform;trinque: typically an ordinary sram
1179612;1435453241;mircea_popescu;it does technicaly eat with it
1179613;1435453291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think of it, traditional cpu ~is~ cloaka, where you pgp with the same barrel shifter and adder that you play tetris and read lolcatz with
1179614;1435453325;asciilifeform;this is not the only way to build a computer.
1179615;1435453336;asciilifeform;in extreme poverty of the 1950s - yes, it makes sense
1179616;1435453345;asciilifeform;barely made sense in '80s
1179617;1435453392;asciilifeform;(folks carrying around multiple pc notwithstanding)
1179618;1435453421;asciilifeform;think of why msdos was a jewel - machine did ~one fucking thing~ at a time
1179619;1435453455;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. it DOES eat with it.
1179620;1435453457;asciilifeform;approach has limitations, there are asynchronous things in the world (e.g., nic, disks)
1179621;1435453463;trinque;hm, so is there some circuit which is responsible for the adjacency of other circuits?
1179622;1435453465;asciilifeform;so you have multiple machines.
1179623;1435453468;asciilifeform;like in your head
1179624;1435453473;trinque;is this a distributed thing, whereby one circuit requests access to another?
1179625;1435453489;asciilifeform;trinque: when you plant your arse in your chair, does arse 'request access to the chair' ?)
1179626;1435453495;mircea_popescu;iut's not clear why disk would be async
1179627;1435453502;trinque;asciilifeform: no, but sometimes there's a cat in it!
1179628;1435453504;mircea_popescu;for that matter, disk is moving to be ram. and ram is sync.
1179629;1435453516;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because you ask it for block b and some unknown time later it says 'here is block b'
1179630;1435453522;trinque;ah!
1179631;1435453525;mircea_popescu;no obvious need for this.
1179632;1435453535;mircea_popescu;it can say "and this is block b perpetually anyway
1179633;1435453551;asciilifeform;for so long as you have caches, you have locality
1179634;1435453568;asciilifeform;which is to say, asking for b+1 will almost always be faster than b+100000
1179635;1435453578;trinque;asciilifeform: so is it the synchronized nature of "modern" IO that is braindamaged?
1179636;1435453583;trinque;I can see that point readily
1179637;1435453601;trinque;I said this to ben_vulpes yesterday about HTTP request/response cycles
1179638;1435453611;asciilifeform;trinque: the whole concept of having von neumann's bottleneck, where you can't do anything at all on the machine without waiting your turn for the little airline latrine of alu, mmu, etc. is asinine
1179639;1435453613;mircea_popescu;refresh me. what in ulimit discusses the i/o ?
1179640;1435453659;trinque;asciilifeform: so this circuit expresses a desire for the answer to some question, and some other circuit may or may not satisfy it
1179641;1435453670;gabriel_laddel;loper-os-reader: I always sort of thought that about CPU designs in general. whilst software designers say “how many cycles is this going to take?�, a hardware designer knows how many cycles something is going to take on a chip: one. or else
1179642;1435453670;gabriel_laddel;stas: dataflow never caught on because you absolutely need dedicated hardware. if you want real efficiency, you can’t even use standard RAM. so it gets dismissed as nuttery, on the rare occasions it comes up.
1179643;1435453680;asciilifeform;trinque: when you plug a lamp into mains socket, does it 'express desire to conduct' ?
1179644;1435453681;mircea_popescu;is it -i (pending signals) ?
1179645;1435453692;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what system are you on
1179646;1435453697;trinque;asciilifeform: no, but water doesn't ever come out of the socket
1179647;1435453703;mircea_popescu;centos
1179648;1435453707;trinque;the routing is what I'm not clear on
1179649;1435453722;trinque;who says this guy wants to know some facts and not others
1179650;1435453767;asciilifeform;trinque: move your abstraction level down to where the question makes sense
1179651;1435453782;ben_vulpes;o hai gabriel_laddel!
1179652;1435453783;asciilifeform;!s muller gate
1179653;1435453784;assbot;6 results for 'muller gate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=muller+gate
1179654;1435453795;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: hey!
1179655;1435453809;ben_vulpes;the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
1179656;1435453836;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
1179657;1435453869;ben_vulpes;!up ga
1179658;1435453873;ben_vulpes;!up gabriel_laddel
1179659;1435453887;ben_vulpes;!up gavinadresen
1179660;1435453891;gabriel_laddel;thanks. fucking useless AT&T connection
1179661;1435453893;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.fpga4fun.com/FPGAinfo2.html << intro to state of art re: programmable logic
1179662;1435453894;assbot;fpga4fun.com - How FPGAs work ... ( http://bit.ly/1eR3CR8 )
1179663;1435453908;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I saw that in the logs earlier. It doesn't really matter - they don't have any other options.
1179664;1435453922;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: they'll use what's there.
1179665;1435453971;trinque;asciilifeform: ty
1179666;1435453982;trinque;I'll read that and improve my question
1179667;1435453987;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: 'they' << your customers?
1179668;1435453989;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd even argue that fpga is a mis-step historically, and you'd want to start with traditional 'gal' (as pictured here, http://design.iconnect007.media/index.php/article/31256/maxed-out-programmable-logic-part-deux/31259/?skin=design )
1179669;1435453991;assbot;iconnect007 :: Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1eR3NMa )
1179670;1435454022;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the last time i met folks who 'they'll use what's there', they were running... winxp
1179671;1435454037;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: I was referring to #b-a members actually. I don't have any customers yet, as Masamune is horribly incomplete.
1179672;1435454065;*;ben_vulpes does not have a horse in this race
1179673;1435454066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00038665 = 9.3183 BTC [-] {2} 
1179674;1435454104;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: does your sbcl userland for linux come with a physical box where i get guarantee that the, e.g., video board, works ?
1179675;1435454139;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: that is the idea - but currently - no.
1179676;1435454147;trinque;given that I'm already using an absurd compromise (stumpwm+emacs) I'd take something which measurably improves what I'm doing there already
1179677;1435454165;*;asciilifeform gave a good share of gabriel_laddel's material a fair, imho, reading, and still isn't entirely grasping how the proposed widget wins over classical linux box with sbcl on it
1179678;1435454182;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: maxima, conkeror, CLIM as defaults
1179679;1435454188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00038968 = 16.5614 BTC [+]
1179680;1435454192;asciilifeform;why would i be concerned with defaults ?
1179681;1435454196;gabriel_laddel;also, scaffolding for e.g., Pete's school
1179682;1435454208;*;ben_vulpes to bar
1179683;1435454214;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: because although you already know of these things, many people do not.
1179684;1435454229;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel aims to bring lisps to 'most people' ?!
1179685;1435454232;*;asciilifeform head-desks
1179686;1435454235;gabriel_laddel;heh, no
1179687;1435454239;*;ben_vulpes resents leaving at top of computers + school conversation branch
1179688;1435454240;gabriel_laddel;just for people in #b-a
1179689;1435454281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on my system, 'ulimit' only sets max file size...
1179690;1435454297;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what all this shit does.
1179691;1435454297;asciilifeform;somebody buy poor fella a new modem
1179692;1435455303;ben_vulpes;i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc
1179693;1435455321;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes read knuth's work on subj ?
1179694;1435455331;ben_vulpes;not yet!
1179695;1435455621;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: absolute best example of 'literate programming' i know of is 'jonesforth' >> https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.S and https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.f
1179696;1435455623;assbot;jonesforth/jonesforth.S at master · AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpxFNT )
1179697;1435455625;assbot;jonesforth/jonesforth.f at master · AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dpxFO3 )
1179698;1435455630;asciilifeform;(not originally on shithub but only surviving copy)
1179699;1435456985;asciilifeform;in other news, i've a static therealbitcoin.
1179700;1435457016;ben_vulpes;no wai
1179701;1435457018;asciilifeform;aha.
1179702;1435457044;asciilifeform;readelf -d bitcoind
1179703;1435457044;asciilifeform;There is no dynamic section in this file.
1179704;1435457098;ben_vulpes;i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat.
1179705;1435457111;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm about to zip up the whole build tree so folks can test quickly
1179706;1435457341;asciilifeform;one final test before i post it...
1179707;1435458419;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1179708;1435458424;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
1179709;1435458425;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html
1179710;1435458426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCjUdN )
1179711;1435458439;asciilifeform;'(EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin.'
1179712;1435458458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00040015 = 3.9415 BTC [+]
1179713;1435458536;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/3AKNWFV.txt << process map for this experiment
1179714;1435458537;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCjXGo )
1179715;1435458542;asciilifeform;note that it is still using conventional glibc
1179716;1435458564;decimation;asciilifeform: did you try ulibc
1179717;1435458565;asciilifeform;(see the gconv-modules turd? fucking lamers)
1179718;1435458581;asciilifeform;decimation: not yet. but i expect to hit the same wall as mod6
1179719;1435458586;decimation;yeah.
1179720;1435458594;asciilifeform;first trying to bring it all to where we originally wanted it
1179721;1435458597;decimation;it's possible some combination of gcc/ulibc version will work
1179722;1435458601;asciilifeform;and it appears that i did this.
1179723;1435458629;decimation;asciilifeform: so no dns?
1179724;1435458630;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box)
1179725;1435458632;asciilifeform;no dns.
1179726;1435458663;asciilifeform;i'd prefer to get comments / replications of this experiment first
1179727;1435458683;decimation;asciilifeform: is this for the pogo?
1179728;1435458688;asciilifeform;no
1179729;1435458693;asciilifeform;this is an amd64 build.
1179730;1435458700;asciilifeform;i suppose i ought to have specified this in the readme
1179731;1435458709;asciilifeform;but it ought to be clear from reading the build script
1179732;1435458718;asciilifeform;this build is intended for ibmpc
1179733;1435458830;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu your node is dead ?
1179734;1435458831;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1179735;1435458833;asciilifeform;wtf.
1179736;1435458846;asciilifeform;(i'm getting a 'connection refused')
1179737;1435458852;*;mircea_popescu looks into this.
1179738;1435458857;mircea_popescu;did you ever test it ?
1179739;1435458860;asciilifeform;just now.
1179740;1435458864;asciilifeform;was gonna milk it
1179741;1435458888;asciilifeform;i've been licking my teeth for this milking for ages
1179742;1435458918;mircea_popescu;lol. apparently you're not the only one.
1179743;1435458921;asciilifeform;stas@humanoid ~ $ telnet  188.68.240.167 8333
1179744;1435458921;asciilifeform;Trying 188.68.240.167...
1179745;1435458921;asciilifeform;telnet: connect to address 188.68.240.167: Connection refused
1179746;1435458937;mircea_popescu;anyway. give it an hour.
1179747;1435458950;mircea_popescu;!up aseriousgogetta
1179748;1435458953;aseriousgogetta;ty
1179749;1435458970;mircea_popescu;aha. who're you ?
1179750;1435458970;aseriousgogetta;what is thebitcoin.foundation?? i just found it.
1179751;1435458981;mircea_popescu;the foundation directing bitcoin development etc.
1179752;1435458983;aseriousgogetta;im a crypto-enthusiast
1179753;1435459044;aseriousgogetta;why 0.5.3?
1179754;1435459071;decimation;what is your favorite public key algo?
1179755;1435459136;aseriousgogetta;favorite.. sha256d
1179756;1435459150;decimation;aite
1179757;1435459221;aseriousgogetta;my current work is on a personal project; setting up foundation. what is teh work in here?
1179758;1435459244;mircea_popescu;!s 0.5.3
1179759;1435459245;assbot;204 results for '0.5.3' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=0.5.3
1179760;1435459245;mircea_popescu;this has been discussed in teh logs.
1179761;1435459247;ben_vulpes;decrufting etc.
1179762;1435459282;mircea_popescu;that didn't parse.
1179763;1435459298;aseriousgogetta;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572
1179764;1435459298;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting   -irc               Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
1179765;1435459298;aseriousgogetta;ty
1179766;1435459309;ben_vulpes;ah!
1179767;1435459429;aseriousgogetta;hmm, so 0.10.2 talk is out teh window
1179768;1435459444;aseriousgogetta;or scrypt-n?
1179769;1435459520;asciilifeform;out teh window << no, in the latrine where they belong.
1179770;1435459556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22857 @ 0.00039374 = 8.9997 BTC [-]
1179771;1435459618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let me know if you were able to build my 'stator.' and if you think it makes sense to sweat over a uclibc build for ibmpc, where everything ~else~ is sitting on glibc...
1179772;1435459669;asciilifeform;(though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...)
1179773;1435459686;ben_vulpes;no, I simply ran the thing.
1179774;1435459688;asciilifeform;(see http://dpaste.com/3AKNWFV.txt )
1179775;1435459689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEqYz3 )
1179776;1435459693;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: l0l
1179777;1435459695;asciilifeform;it ran ?
1179778;1435459705;ben_vulpes;not your most recent, no
1179779;1435459727;asciilifeform;what was ben_vulpes referring to then
1179780;1435459732;ben_vulpes;hang on distracted.
1179781;1435459800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00039374 = 9.6466 BTC [-]
1179782;1435459822;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178089 << note that it isn't 'the foundation one' until ben_vulpes and mod6 say it is
1179783;1435459822;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 19:46:42; mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
1179784;1435459848;asciilifeform;but we have a buildable static(glibc) ibmpc build.
1179785;1435459885;ben_vulpes;<aseriousgogetta> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << i am confus
1179786;1435459885;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting   -irc               Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
1179787;1435459902;ben_vulpes;i did not use the -irc flag
1179788;1435459909;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-06-2015#1178629
1179789;1435459909;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 03:06:14; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << this is ~not~ in 0.5.3. it had only '-noirc', default off.
1179790;1435459917;ben_vulpes;right.
1179791;1435459931;asciilifeform;idk why aseriousgogetta linked it
1179792;1435459934;ben_vulpes;me neither
1179793;1435459944;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nah, upon consideration that should have no effect.
1179794;1435459945;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform try nao ?
1179795;1435459945;ben_vulpes;ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later
1179796;1435459955;ben_vulpes;(if i even had, etc)
1179797;1435460004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hangs after 'connected 188.68.240.167:8333'
1179798;1435460015;asciilifeform;anybody else?
1179799;1435460050;asciilifeform;'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1'
1179800;1435460095;*;ben_vulpes is drinking with trinqu, will be playing with blockchains later
1179801;1435460154;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is your box getting hammered by bozos ?
1179802;1435460250;ben_vulpes;!up Chicago
1179803;1435460272;decimation;Chicago: are you a fan of crypto too?
1179804;1435460287;asciilifeform;now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working
1179805;1435460292;asciilifeform;(with glibc+static)
1179806;1435460300;decimation;I thought he had
1179807;1435460303;decimation;but with dns
1179808;1435460315;asciilifeform;afaik can't do dns at all with static glibc
1179809;1435460318;asciilifeform;so no
1179810;1435460332;asciilifeform;but possibly he had something like what i just posted, but it isn't on the ml.
1179811;1435460334;decimation;I've seen it give linker warnings
1179812;1435460342;decimation;didn't check to see if it was truely static
1179813;1435460363;asciilifeform;mine also gives linker warning for 'what if you used gethostbyname'
1179814;1435460370;decimation;yeah exactly
1179815;1435460370;asciilifeform;-- except that we provably never do
1179816;1435460374;asciilifeform;so fuck it
1179817;1435460403;asciilifeform;gcc sucks at stripping deadcode, news at 11.
1179818;1435460471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5093 @ 0.00039374 = 2.0053 BTC [-]
1179819;1435460501;decimation;also, nobody gives a fuck about supporting static linking, news at 11
1179820;1435460511;asciilifeform;we knew, yes
1179821;1435460535;decimation;"why link static when you could just accept my world of shit?"
1179822;1435460660;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kind-of.
1179823;1435460660;scoopbot_revived;Women and incentives in tech http://trilema.com/2015/women-and-incentives-in-tech/
1179824;1435460694;mircea_popescu;there's ~30 connected, ye'll have to insist.
1179825;1435460730;asciilifeform;let me guess, the duplicates aren't up
1179826;1435460747;asciilifeform;because 'split' br0ke
1179827;1435460752;*;asciilifeform head-desks
1179828;1435460762;mircea_popescu;doubt they'd be in a much better position.
1179829;1435460865;asciilifeform;addrLocalHost = 0.0.0.0:8333 << anybody else getting this ?
1179830;1435461115;asciilifeform;ah it's the retardation
1179831;1435461120;asciilifeform;'// Proxies can't take incoming connections'
1179832;1435461126;asciilifeform;working as written.
1179833;1435461147;asciilifeform;that crap ~will~ have to be shot.
1179834;1435461170;asciilifeform;as well as the ability to kick 'for misbehaviour' the ONLY PERMITTED CONNECT node
1179835;1435461178;asciilifeform;who the FUCK thought of that.
1179836;1435461214;asciilifeform;what's next, uterus gives her cramps so she ejects it ?
1179837;1435461222;asciilifeform;across the room
1179838;1435461256;Chicago;decimation, Sure I'm a crypto fan. :)
1179839;1435461286;Chicago;Albeit more active in Wintertime when my rigs warm the house.
1179840;1435461294;asciilifeform;'-connect=x.x.x.x' should ONLY affect OUTGOING connections
1179841;1435461316;mircea_popescu;myeah
1179842;1435461379;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a box to sync from that i don't have to share with public urinators
1179843;1435461393;mircea_popescu;how do you propose i implement this ?
1179844;1435461402;asciilifeform;iptables ?
1179845;1435461446;*;mircea_popescu goes to read the manual for iptables now, to find how you do "open port only for x ip"
1179846;1435461447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038826 = 10.3665 BTC [-]
1179847;1435461465;mircea_popescu;fully expecting he will have to install vanrish, uninstall alsa, recompile the kernel and fix glibc.
1179848;1435461495;ben_vulpes;you're learning!
1179849;1435461511;ben_vulpes;http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/net_8cpp_source.html#l00653 << help what am i looking at
1179850;1435461512;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/net.cpp Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmktA )
1179851;1435461520;ben_vulpes;why are these critical sections lexically nested?
1179852;1435461525;asciilifeform;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7423309/iptables-block-access-to-port-8000-except-from-ip-address >> change port, 8333..
1179853;1435461526;assbot;firewall - iptables block access to port 8000 except from IP address - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmkK8 )
1179854;1435461529;ben_vulpes;are they also /programatically/ nested?
1179855;1435461535;mircea_popescu;iptables -I INPUT -p tcp ! -s <permittedIP> -j DROP << is that it ?
1179856;1435461574;trinque;mircea_popescu: because layering another turd atop iptables is surely what you want... I find ufw a nice tool to deal with trivial firewall setups
1179857;1435461595;mircea_popescu;hm shouldn't port be specified somewhere
1179858;1435461606;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read linked turd
1179859;1435461766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform try nao
1179860;1435461785;asciilifeform;'connect() failed after select(): Connection refused'
1179861;1435461795;mircea_popescu;actually uh... i see you ?
1179862;1435461804;mircea_popescu;wtf/
1179863;1435461865;*;asciilifeform sends warm hello to the nice folks at ft meade sending us tcp FIN's
1179864;1435461898;mircea_popescu;nowai.
1179865;1435461917;asciilifeform;socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1
1179866;1435461927;mircea_popescu;eh nonsense.
1179867;1435461945;mircea_popescu;it's been feeding 100s of peers like 1gb since yest or w/e.
1179868;1435461950;asciilifeform;try from own box
1179869;1435462008;mircea_popescu;it works from a multitude of boxen
1179870;1435462027;*;asciilifeform about to test with conventional therealbitcoin
1179871;1435462060;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes but did any of them '-connect'
1179872;1435462062;trinque;asciilifeform: am I in the ballpark... having the vague notion that c-gates would be used to indicate whether the inputs necessary to perform a computation are available?
1179873;1435462075;trinque;strikes me as "promises" to indicate the braindamaged programming environments I've sued
1179874;1435462075;asciilifeform;trinque: c-gate only fires when all inputs are stable
1179875;1435462076;trinque;*used
1179876;1435462079;trinque;right
1179877;1435462080;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they must have if they were moving bytes neh
1179878;1435462089;asciilifeform;and if connected to other c-gates, same applies to them
1179879;1435462114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same thing when using conventional therealbitcoin
1179880;1435462116;asciilifeform;(non-static)
1179881;1435462135;trinque;seems to be the mechanism by which you call a bunch of asynchronous happenings one "thing", and can therefore act upon those "things" all being available
1179882;1435462139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and no, i was specifically talking about -connect=x.x.x.x' commandline argument
1179883;1435462146;mircea_popescu;hm
1179884;1435462161;mircea_popescu;i have nfi
1179885;1435462207;*;asciilifeform boots up 'wireshark'
1179886;1435462218;mircea_popescu;honestly, i don't think that iptables thing actually works.
1179887;1435462226;mircea_popescu;because everyone trying to get in is now stuck on LAST ACK
1179888;1435462234;mircea_popescu;which is not to my eye the expected behaviour.
1179889;1435462325;decimation;iptables, like most of the kernel, is undocumented as fuck
1179890;1435462330;asciilifeform;~all~ i get is ACKs
1179891;1435462351;*;asciilifeform is watching the packets in real time
1179892;1435462365;mircea_popescu;i srsly see established conns.
1179893;1435462381;asciilifeform;aha
1179894;1435462383;asciilifeform;all i get is acks
1179895;1435462390;asciilifeform;they're established, yes..
1179896;1435462401;asciilifeform;but mine asks 'version' and hears '...'
1179897;1435462475;mircea_popescu;hm.
1179898;1435462499;decimation;I kinda get the impression that about 99% of iptables implementations out there are 'cut n paste' from what someone else posted on some website
1179899;1435462550;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1179900;1435462569;decimation;just like 99% of 'autoconf' use is cut n' paste
1179901;1435462589;decimation;many eyes, etc
1179902;1435462619;trinque;beatings for everyone that decides to introduce his own grammar to describe some problem space (firewalls one of many examples)
1179903;1435462629;trinque;I know... I'll invent a syntax!
1179904;1435462677;trinque;firewall configuration should be a function you write that the network stack runs on every packet
1179905;1435462690;trinque;pf is marginally better, but that's about it
1179906;1435462709;*;asciilifeform brb, food
1179907;1435462742;trinque;the ufw thing at least gives you a semi-sane "ufw allow from 1.2.3.4 to any port 8333"
1179908;1435462767;decimation;yeah it's kinda a cluster
1179909;1435462781;decimation;proprietary firewalls on cisco, etc aren't any better
1179910;1435462791;trinque;and even ufw runs afoul of the "natural language" == easy
1179911;1435462800;trinque;same mistake as SQL
1179912;1435462911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 187 @ 0.0130107 = 2.433 BTC [-] {2} 
1179913;1435463229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tell you what, if you don't get to the bottom of it, ima make you an account on the server tomorrow, copy over the blockchain and you can compile your own or w/e.
1179914;1435463399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33406 @ 0.00039961 = 13.3494 BTC [+] {3} 
1179915;1435463676;scoopbot_revived;The art of punishment, translated. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/the-art-of-punishment-translated/
1179916;1435464200;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: -addnode works
1179917;1435464204;asciilifeform;-connect --- no
1179918;1435464244;asciilifeform;of course this is useless
1179919;1435464267;asciilifeform;but shows that packets do move
1179920;1435464314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00039312 = 1.7297 BTC [-]
1179921;1435464325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it really ought not to be necessary to move blockchains with bare hands!
1179922;1435464332;asciilifeform;that's what '-connect' is for
1179923;1435464382;mod6;wow, just getting caught up here.  have been afk for a while here today...
1179924;1435464532;mod6;<+asciilifeform> now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working <+asciilifeform> (with glibc+static) << v0.5.3.1-RELEASE basically is not true "static" build because of the gethostbyname() (DNS/libnss) calls in there.  but was trying to build static bitcoind with uclibc/gcc on gentoo, was hitting a problem described here before.  If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinkin
1179925;1435464591;asciilifeform;mod6: msg got cut off
1179926;1435464600;asciilifeform;at 'I'm thinking tha'
1179927;1435464787;mod6;oh crap. ok sorry.
1179928;1435464801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, i know. what can i do over here.
1179929;1435464806;mod6;If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking that would get us where we want to be; sounds like you've done that!
1179930;1435464839;mod6;my pos car got a flat today, so I limped it up to the station to get a new tire & walked the ~3 miles back.
1179931;1435464861;asciilifeform;mod6: there is still http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179772 and also figuring out wtf gives with '-connect'
1179932;1435464861;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...)
1179933;1435464862;mod6;only to find out that both front springs are broken (lol) and that's what caused the tire to blow out.
1179934;1435464866;asciilifeform;woah
1179935;1435464868;asciilifeform;srsly?
1179936;1435464869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, ok if i move back to public access for this ?
1179937;1435464874;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: go ahead
1179938;1435464884;asciilifeform;i don't think overcrowding was the issue here
1179939;1435464885;mod6;so now I've got this company to pay $185 and take it off my hands for scrap. hahah
1179940;1435464887;mircea_popescu;got the command predigested for me ?
1179941;1435464892;mircea_popescu;:D
1179942;1435464974;asciilifeform;aaand hey
1179943;1435464977;asciilifeform;it worked
1179944;1435464985;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1179945;1435464987;asciilifeform;wtf
1179946;1435464991;asciilifeform;it's milking
1179947;1435464994;mircea_popescu;lmao
1179948;1435464998;mod6;you got connected to mp's blockchain milk? or -connect worked for you?
1179949;1435465004;asciilifeform;what did mircea_popescu do ?
1179950;1435465012;mircea_popescu;i played wiff girl.
1179951;1435465019;asciilifeform;l0rl
1179952;1435465031;mircea_popescu;game of yatze
1179953;1435465057;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima keep it locked to your ip till tomorro then
1179954;1435465066;asciilifeform;ty
1179955;1435465069;mircea_popescu;if nothing else then because "don't fuck with shit that works"
1179956;1435465075;mod6;oh, forgot to mention. the place wanted $500 to replace the springs.  which is what prompted me to `mv posCar /dev/scrap`
1179957;1435465078;*;asciilifeform still wondering wtf that was all about
1179958;1435465090;mircea_popescu;very weird.
1179959;1435465107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27097 @ 0.00038778 = 10.5077 BTC [-] {3} 
1179960;1435465110;mod6;hmm
1179961;1435465110;decimation;mod6: mechanics are famous for exploiting folks in what they think are vulnerable situations
1179962;1435465129;mod6;yeah, they were pretty blown away when I just came and told 'em i was gonna scrap it.
1179963;1435465151;*;trinque lawls at the naked folks biking past him
1179964;1435465160;trinque;there are things to like about this communist land
1179965;1435465174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now stuck again...
1179966;1435465187;asciilifeform;after 43929
1179967;1435465198;mod6;it's not processing blocks? or you're getting disconnected?
1179968;1435465202;asciilifeform;stalled
1179969;1435465230;mod6;hmm. give it 10 minutes to be sure... unless it's taking on those weird errors
1179970;1435465238;asciilifeform;no errors
1179971;1435465242;asciilifeform;just... stalls
1179972;1435465260;asciilifeform;as in, nothing moving over the pipe
1179973;1435465265;mod6;I remember from the block 168`001 issue (tx verification failed) that it would start dumping tons of errors if truly stuck.
1179974;1435465272;mircea_popescu;eh listen, it's prolly getting too much attention
1179975;1435465273;asciilifeform;again, not this
1179976;1435465273;mod6;ah
1179977;1435465277;mircea_popescu;let it be till tomorro, and we'll see what.
1179978;1435465285;*;asciilifeform leaves the thing running
1179979;1435465321;asciilifeform;picture so far is consistent with massive ddos, imho
1179980;1435465448;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks a lot for your work tonight on the Static Builder.  I'm a bit zapped to start getting into that tonight.  Is it cool with you if I start testing it out tomorrow morning?
1179981;1435465471;mod6;I can work on that and see where I can get with it; then I have to start working on the SoBA for June.
1179982;1435465480;asciilifeform;mod6: no reason to hurry
1179983;1435465497;mod6;Ok awesome.
1179984;1435465524;asciilifeform;i'm about to sleep a bit myself
1179985;1435465532;mod6;*nod*
1179986;1435465541;mod6;thanks for all of your help :]
1179987;1435465545;asciilifeform;np
1179988;1435465556;asciilifeform;this exercise did not take very long but for some reason very tiring
1179989;1435465566;mod6;yeah, i hear ya.
1179990;1435465596;mod6;get some rest.  tomorrow we can keep on.
1179991;1435465832;ben_vulpes;sleep? when all these titties are biking by?
1179992;1435465840;*;ben_vulpes hauls out lawn chair and bottle of wine
1179993;1435465851;mod6;haha.
1179994;1435465899;trinque;ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!"
1179995;1435465907;trinque;ok portland, you win this round
1179996;1435465921;trinque;this I think has something to do with the political problems throughout time
1179997;1435465939;trinque;maybe I should get more drunk and see if pete_dushenski ends up writing about it
1179998;1435466189;asciilifeform;another burst of milkage
1179999;1435466200;asciilifeform;to 44429. stall.
1180000;1435466202;asciilifeform;l0l
1180001;1435466205;mod6;nice. you think it's being packeted though?
1180002;1435466214;asciilifeform;somebody's taking a king-sized shit in there
1180003;1435466220;mod6;ah
1180004;1435466243;asciilifeform;either that or somebody between here and there is 'losing' packets.
1180005;1435466272;decimation;or there's a dysfunctional router somewhere
1180006;1435466321;mod6;what does tr look like?
1180007;1435466324;asciilifeform;decimation: not here
1180008;1435466456;asciilifeform;woah
1180009;1435466471;asciilifeform;some pretty serious strange
1180010;1435466484;mod6;is it looping
1180011;1435466556;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt
1180012;1435466558;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ebSUU4 )
1180013;1435466562;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1180014;1435466587;mod6;asciilifeform: mine looks exactly the same.
1180015;1435466597;decimation;asciilifeform: seems like 'unthreading bitcoind' would be an admiral goal
1180016;1435466604;asciilifeform;decimation: ?
1180017;1435466656;decimation;cutting out the locking, threads ,etc
1180018;1435466665;asciilifeform;tcp without threads?
1180019;1435466668;asciilifeform;wat
1180020;1435466680;asciilifeform;gonna service 1 node at a time ?
1180021;1435466681;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3WAY4WZ.txt << mine (lol 3way)
1180022;1435466682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ebTbqg )
1180023;1435466691;asciilifeform;with polling ?
1180024;1435466702;decimation;yeah, async
1180025;1435466709;asciilifeform;screw that
1180026;1435466712;decimation;heh
1180027;1435466716;mod6;heheh
1180028;1435466717;asciilifeform;go build p2p net with 1-at-a-time
1180029;1435466739;asciilifeform;(and what, someone wants to connect, you drop ~everything~ ?)
1180030;1435466742;decimation;I've built several pure async servers
1180031;1435466771;asciilifeform;decimation: what do they do? queue requests ?
1180032;1435466778;decimation;sure
1180033;1435466793;decimation;generally, you write a while loop with epoll or whatever
1180034;1435466798;decimation;jump to whatever bell rings
1180035;1435466808;asciilifeform;as if this thing didn't suck enough balls
1180036;1435466852;decimation;well, it seems to me that there ought to be a definable spec between "talk to peers" and "maintain database of blocks"
1180037;1435466906;asciilifeform;decimation: unless i seriously misunderstood mircea_popescu, not only is the reference client the permanent spec, but so are the turdependencies
1180038;1435466922;asciilifeform;and anything purporting to be a human-readable spec is necessarily incomplete
1180039;1435466937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25944 @ 0.00040271 = 10.4479 BTC [+] {2} 
1180040;1435466949;decimation;well, until the book is printed, studied, underped
1180041;1435466955;decimation;over many man-years of effort
1180042;1435466958;asciilifeform;and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork'
1180043;1435466962;trinque;decimation: sounds kinda like what I understand nginx to be
1180044;1435466980;trinque;munches a queue of that-which-must-be-done with 1-n workers
1180045;1435466995;asciilifeform;decimation: i don't think that a mathematically-rigorous description of openssl (not to even mention boost and bdb) could be achieved in 10,000 years of sweat
1180046;1435467008;asciilifeform;or that anyone would wish to try.
1180047;1435467030;decimation;even the severable bits that bitcoind really needs?
1180048;1435467040;asciilifeform;it's 'the spittoon'
1180049;1435467046;asciilifeform;none of it is really severable from any of it
1180050;1435467065;decimation;well, ultimately it's all running machine code
1180051;1435467072;decimation;might need to start at that level I guess.
1180052;1435467079;*;asciilifeform actually began there
1180053;1435467095;asciilifeform;tried to come up with a mechanical mapping back from bin to what produced each section in the elf
1180054;1435467108;asciilifeform;even wrote buncha ida script idiocy
1180055;1435467125;asciilifeform;had to put it down, too many other things going on
1180056;1435467163;asciilifeform;gcc, as one might imagine, does not go out of its way to help this be a readily practical thing
1180057;1435467166;asciilifeform;quite the contrary.
1180058;1435467196;asciilifeform;rms ~deliberately~ nudges it, whenever he can, in the direction of being as opaque as possible
1180059;1435467198;decimation;no and as I recall there's hand-written asm in openssl
1180060;1435467204;asciilifeform;decimation: optional
1180061;1435467209;decimation;sure, to keep folks from re-writing gcc
1180062;1435467213;decimation;so he can haz powerz
1180063;1435467217;asciilifeform;decimation: not quite
1180064;1435467251;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816009 << see old thread.
1180065;1435467251;assbot;Logged on 30-08-2014 03:37:06; decimation: "The existence of LLVM is a terrible setback for our community precisely because it is not copylefted and can be used as the basis for nonfree compilers — so that all contribution to LLVM directly helps proprietary software as much as it helps us.'"
1180066;1435467272;asciilifeform;.... and another short burst from mircea_popescu's node
1180067;1435467336;asciilifeform;decimation: rms did not want it to break apart into readily-plagiarizable pieces.
1180068;1435467345;asciilifeform;this is annoying but i understand 100%
1180069;1435467350;asciilifeform;why he did it
1180070;1435467353;ben_vulpes;erm i thought bitcoind *did* service one at a time, looping over sockets
1180071;1435467355;*;ben_vulpes to src
1180072;1435467358;decimation;sure, he wants to keep people from mkaing a bsd gcc
1180073;1435467415;asciilifeform;gcc is the original lonely fort keeping the whole gpl thing alive
1180074;1435467432;asciilifeform;the one thing the fucking parasites couldn't effectively plagiarize without leaving trace
1180075;1435467453;asciilifeform;but this had a cost, yes.
1180076;1435467552;asciilifeform;i will note that llvm (since i mentioned it again) is upon the most cursory examination a piece of shit, that wasn't even built to 'be good' - but simply with the one and only purpose of killing gcc.
1180077;1435467557;asciilifeform;rms is spot-on here
1180078;1435467568;asciilifeform;it exists, was built, to help him die.
1180079;1435467586;decimation;I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him
1180080;1435467606;asciilifeform;in the sense in which it is now alive? sure
1180081;1435467615;asciilifeform;in the sense of keeping the 'reasonable' folks at bay? doubtful
1180082;1435467628;decimation;maybe.
1180083;1435467643;asciilifeform;as soon as he's out, 'reasonable' people will crawl in and 'make compromises'
1180084;1435467645;decimation;gpl is pretty weak sauce unless you have a barrel of lawyers to help you enforce it
1180085;1435467660;decimation;aye, agreed
1180086;1435467674;decimation;all I want is a world where I get source when I get software
1180087;1435467693;decimation;but I recognize that rms' stand is probably the only way
1180088;1435467698;asciilifeform;won't ask for it to be buildable ?
1180089;1435467704;asciilifeform;on something which in turn is buildable ?
1180090;1435467704;asciilifeform;etc
1180091;1435467714;decimation;aye
1180092;1435467733;decimation;really, he's already lost his war for the reasons you harp on re: bedrock
1180093;1435467753;asciilifeform;rms doesn't do war. not for many years, anyway. he does 'lonely fort'
1180094;1435467763;asciilifeform;keeping out whole universes full of filth
1180095;1435467778;asciilifeform;that will come flooding in as soon as he's out of action
1180096;1435467787;asciilifeform;it is already seeping through the cracks.
1180097;1435467792;asciilifeform;has been, for some years now.
1180098;1435467816;decimation;yeah, as far as I can tell gpl only really 'sticks' to fsf software directly
1180099;1435467844;asciilifeform;gpl is really primarily about gcc and linuxkernel
1180100;1435467848;decimation;yeah
1180101;1435467851;asciilifeform;everything else is window dressing
1180102;1435467867;decimation;not much use to a license if you don't intend on enforcing it
1180103;1435467940;ben_vulpes;(curse these jackholes who littered the source with printstatements that include function names)
1180104;1435467962;ben_vulpes;is there a sane cpp logging thing that could be used in place of these print statements?
1180105;1435467996;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there's gcc-specific stuff that folds the line and # into the print
1180106;1435468011;asciilifeform;(can't recall off top of head what, precisely. rtfm...)
1180107;1435468072;asciilifeform;https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Standard-Predefined-Macros.html << possibly here
1180108;1435468074;assbot;Standard Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXV95 )
1180109;1435468106;asciilifeform;https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Common-Predefined-Macros.html#Common-Predefined-Macros << and here
1180110;1435468107;assbot;Common Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXXxK )
1180111;1435468143;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: fprintf(stderr, "info: %s:%d: ", __FILE__, __LINE__);
1180112;1435468152;*;ben_vulpes wonders at actual utility of a patch shaped like this
1180113;1435468199;asciilifeform;i was reluctant to throw gccisms in there, but if we go and start building on mircea_popescu's soviet pdp11 we can always roll equivalent macros for that
1180114;1435468247;asciilifeform;but if you ask me, this falls squarely under 'do this after it fucking ~works~' as described by mircea_popescu earlier.
1180115;1435468281;*;ben_vulpes nods
1180116;1435468329;*;asciilifeform sees another very short burst from mircea_popescu's node
1180117;1435468337;asciilifeform;followed by silence...
1180118;1435468367;asciilifeform;at this rate, the thing will sync some time after the eeproms in my computer lose 9/10th of their bits
1180119;1435468374;asciilifeform;and i die of old age 3-5 times
1180120;1435468407;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1180121;1435468414;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1499 << looping over nodes, handling messages including new blocks
1180122;1435468415;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYpMw )
1180123;1435468427;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yes but has accept()
1180124;1435468442;ben_vulpes;pardon?
1180125;1435468469;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: is able to take new connections while doing said loop
1180126;1435468480;ben_vulpes;aha
1180127;1435468516;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=fShutdown << for log readers interested in how precisely bitcoin shits its pants when told to go to sleep
1180128;1435468517;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: fShutdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYD6n )
1180129;1435468530;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but if you can write your own asynchronous everything, you can finally get the coveted msdos port...
1180130;1435468584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00040539 = 1.7452 BTC [+]
1180131;1435468602;ben_vulpes;mnope.
1180132;1435468622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja see http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt
1180133;1435468623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTxC7X )
1180134;1435468639;ben_vulpes;that'd be threadsockethandler?
1180135;1435468654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok ?
1180136;1435468677;mircea_popescu;what is 213.130.38.26?
1180137;1435468690;asciilifeform;damned if i know
1180138;1435468713;mircea_popescu;does ntt europe have a dedicated, identifiable five eyes leecher ?
1180139;1435468739;asciilifeform;wouldn't be the first
1180140;1435468746;asciilifeform;and not merely leecher, but pisser
1180141;1435468749;mircea_popescu;this entire experience painfully reminds me of the famous phoneline click somehow
1180142;1435468753;asciilifeform;aha!
1180143;1435468757;asciilifeform;was just thinking this!
1180144;1435468765;mircea_popescu;im sure it's just my feverish paranoia.
1180145;1435468783;asciilifeform;if it's man-made, it's actually pretty classy
1180146;1435468800;asciilifeform;dropping the connection would get bitcoind rotating to next node
1180147;1435468805;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179703 << win.
1180148;1435468805;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 02:04:04; asciilifeform: There is no dynamic section in this file.
1180149;1435468806;asciilifeform;(supposing we weren't using -connect)
1180150;1435468823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: partial win, it's still built on (static) glibc
1180151;1435468836;asciilifeform;but the thing is running on my box now.
1180152;1435468837;mircea_popescu;you actually managed to get glibc to static ?
1180153;1435468840;asciilifeform;did.
1180154;1435468848;mircea_popescu;this is pretty great.
1180155;1435468851;asciilifeform;pull down the tarball from ml, try
1180156;1435468863;asciilifeform;doesn't take high tech magic
1180157;1435468874;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179724 << perfect.
1180158;1435468874;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 02:30:30; asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box)
1180159;1435468875;asciilifeform;drop deps in 'distfiles', run stator.sh.
1180160;1435468897;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and yes, was gonna do this after certain tests. such as the one that is presently failing
1180161;1435468901;asciilifeform;(-connect from motherlode)
1180162;1435468908;mircea_popescu;aha.
1180163;1435468924;asciilifeform;and would sorta like other folks to read the damn thing
1180164;1435468935;mircea_popescu;yea.
1180165;1435468937;asciilifeform;(no patches necessary to the bitcoind proper beyond what was published previously)
1180166;1435468947;asciilifeform;see ml post.
1180167;1435468978;mircea_popescu;did someoine actually answer "favourite pubkey algo" q with a ... hashing function ?!
1180168;1435468988;asciilifeform;yeah some anon schmuck
1180169;1435468994;mircea_popescu;"what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe"
1180170;1435469006;mircea_popescu;"you mean sole ?" "o yeah that's the one!"
1180171;1435469007;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why "stator"
1180172;1435469015;asciilifeform;'the most delicious fish is the sausage.' --my grandfather
1180173;1435469029;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: static bin
1180174;1435469035;mircea_popescu;properly made sausage actually floats. therefore not a fish
1180175;1435469037;mircea_popescu;but a witch
1180176;1435469052;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ouch
1180177;1435469080;mircea_popescu;are you a pain enthusiast ben_vulpes ?
1180178;1435469135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to answer earlier q : i think for thius purpose (running on dulap etc) static glibc is exactly right.
1180179;1435469158;mircea_popescu;doesn't help us on pogo, but that's a diff story.
1180180;1435469172;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking of doing for ibmpc something like what i did for pogo
1180181;1435469184;asciilifeform;e.g. a kernel that boots right into, this.
1180182;1435469188;mircea_popescu;we'll have to bootstrap ourselves.
1180183;1435469193;mircea_popescu;so that can be v 1.1
1180184;1435469215;asciilifeform;y'know how some hoster folks let you drop an iso in when you get the thing
1180185;1435469218;mircea_popescu;also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis.
1180186;1435469220;asciilifeform;'install favourite os'
1180187;1435469233;asciilifeform;that'd be more for dedicated nodes, aha
1180188;1435469248;asciilifeform;for mixing into daily life - normal package suffices
1180189;1435469250;mircea_popescu;pogo = dedicated node ; this = stick everywhere
1180190;1435469253;mircea_popescu;yeah
1180191;1435469267;asciilifeform;but overall i like the idea of a dc box with bitcoind and LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE
1180192;1435469268;asciilifeform;not even ssh
1180193;1435469273;mircea_popescu;pogo.
1180194;1435469284;mircea_popescu;that box should not be in dc
1180195;1435469289;mircea_popescu;but on consumer internet terminals.
1180196;1435469298;asciilifeform;until we actually get limited mempool, shoot fragging in the head, etc. pogo will be a bit slow
1180197;1435469305;asciilifeform;(it'll have to swap.)
1180198;1435469321;mircea_popescu;understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a  213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers
1180199;1435469342;asciilifeform;aha
1180200;1435469356;asciilifeform;unquestionably the whole 'p2p' thing is the right and proper objective
1180201;1435469377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00040636 = 19.038 BTC [+] {3} 
1180202;1435469386;asciilifeform;but of necessity many of the boxes involved in the ramp-up will be pc.
1180203;1435469484;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180198 << can't entirely agree here. every so often folks discover carriers diddling 'consumer' traffic in obscene ways (adding tracking crud to http, even) having gone by for years at a time with not a squeak from the chumps
1180204;1435469484;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 05:28:41; mircea_popescu: understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a  213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers
1180205;1435469554;asciilifeform;do this at a serious dc and you have half a dozen 'bofhs' going postal
1180206;1435469574;ben_vulpes;pardon my thickness, but what is "this" now?
1180207;1435469574;asciilifeform;because literate folks, heard of 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc
1180208;1435469580;ben_vulpes;oh oh
1180209;1435469584;asciilifeform;yeah, that this.
1180210;1435469590;ben_vulpes;diddling.
1180211;1435469612;ben_vulpes;what is the 10x to 100x refer to - not the ip cost at a 'home' terminal?
1180212;1435469630;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: cost of setting up diddler
1180213;1435469638;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're thinking the 90s.
1180214;1435469643;mircea_popescu;those people are retired.
1180215;1435469644;asciilifeform;i'm still in the 90s
1180216;1435469650;asciilifeform;posting from them right now, l0l
1180217;1435469651;mircea_popescu;nice for you - but...
1180218;1435469662;asciilifeform;it's about 1994 here in this room
1180219;1435469673;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes just more nonsense to filter.
1180220;1435469932;ben_vulpes;ic
1180221;1435469960;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> "what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe" << haha
1180222;1435470051;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1180223;1435470573;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179994 << topless ?
1180224;1435470573;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 04:31:39; trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!"
1180225;1435470662;mats;http://pdxwnbr.org/
1180226;1435470663;assbot;World Naked Bike Ride | As Bare As You Dare ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEDYEW )
1180227;1435470722;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180042 << pretty much. HOWEVER, more movement has been made towards sanity in this chan over the past six months than since 2009.
1180228;1435470722;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 04:49:18; asciilifeform: and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork'
1180229;1435470737;*;mats returns to the shadows
1180230;1435470867;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180079 << outright impossible.
1180231;1435470867;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 04:59:46; decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him
1180232;1435470886;mircea_popescu;the fsf, and the "foss" concoction, are going to be gone before the usg.
1180233;1435470939;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, trinque, decimation: how does http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#1141 implement serialization such that it writes correctly-shaped data to CBlock here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193
1180234;1435470941;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEq6b )
1180235;1435470942;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEqD2 )
1180236;1435470952;ben_vulpes;(and anyone else who understands cpp)
1180237;1435471086;decimation;ugh template shit
1180238;1435471112;ben_vulpes;maybe someday i'll understand what precisely's going on in serialize.h
1180239;1435471146;ben_vulpes;just strikes me as a bit of black magic that a CDataStream can deserialize itself into a CBlock with just an overloaded right shift operator
1180240;1435471162;decimation;yes, that's what the template does
1180241;1435471173;decimation;'overloads' >> with another function
1180242;1435471552;ben_vulpes;but how does it know what to serialize the block message into
1180243;1435471679;decimation;as in, what type?
1180244;1435471878;ben_vulpes;maybe? perhaps i'm speaking poorly of ignorance.
1180245;1435471915;ben_vulpes;is that `CBlock block` a contiguous-ish memory section?
1180246;1435471995;mircea_popescu;unlikely.
1180247;1435472012;decimation;can you tell me what line you are trying to understand?  where the cblock is?
1180248;1435472049;decimation;honestly I usually end up reading C++ reference books and mumbling to myself
1180249;1435472130;ben_vulpes;decimation: i'm struggling to understand how http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 results in a data structure that ProcessBlock can understand
1180250;1435472131;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGdYT )
1180251;1435472206;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1424 << processblock, third line of which calls pblock->GetHash()
1180252;1435472207;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGkUc )
1180253;1435472467;decimation;lol it calls a macro http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0098
1180254;1435472468;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGJ9h )
1180255;1435472823;decimation;the IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE in CBlock is here http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0800
1180256;1435472824;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEHdw9 )
1180257;1435472838;decimation;any class that serializes implements this macro
1180258;1435473826;mats;http://messageboard.inhalant.org/post/my-isopropyl-alcohol-story-6562564 jesus
1180259;1435473827;assbot;My isopropyl alcohol story. - Inhalant Abuse Prevention ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEILpO )
1180260;1435474013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00040276 = 15.8486 BTC [-] {2} 
1180261;1435474160;punkman;mats, lol. he's in netherlands, has money, and can't find better drugs than denatured alcohol?
1180262;1435474197;mats;that occurred to me as well
1180263;1435474707;trinque;"I did it because i like the smell." << bahaha
1180264;1435474721;trinque;I've heard that one re: cocaine too
1180265;1435474730;trinque;I'm sure in this case he means it.
1180266;1435474867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00039684 = 5.5756 BTC [-]
1180267;1435474911;trinque;I have sometimes been so worried about what huffing isopropyl alcohol did to me that I have even faked symptoms so that I could go to the doctor repeatedly and get all kinds of check-ups. << I gotta wonder if these people aren't just addicted to the notion that they're doing something crazy and bad.
1180268;1435474925;trinque;and love whatever attention that brings too
1180269;1435475644;punkman;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139679/Meet-Shabani-handsome-gorilla-raised-Australia-fame-Japan-women-flock-zoo-just-him.html
1180270;1435475645;assbot;Gorilla Shabani who was raised in Australia has found fame in Japan | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq5A9s )
1180271;1435475843;punkman;http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/
1180272;1435475847;assbot;RGJ Exclusive: BLM wants $1 million VIP compound from Burning Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRxjl1 )
1180273;1435476244;cazalla;mircea_popescu, ya have not blocked me from qntra.net/wp-admin with iptables have ya?
1180274;1435476344;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yCA0dsloE
1180275;1435476345;assbot;Scary fire accident in Taiwan!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq6nap )
1180276;1435476392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00039608 = 3.0894 BTC [-] {2} 
1180277;1435476414;cazalla;punkman, we don't need no water let the mother fucker burn..
1180278;1435476524;punkman;heh
1180279;1435476763;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBfoFl0mnho
1180280;1435476764;assbot;Walmart Refuses to Make Confederate Flag, But Makes This Cake Instead - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyiSe )
1180281;1435476833;cazalla;could only get better if they storm his house and arrest him for an ISIS cake
1180282;1435476880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44812 @ 0.00040145 = 17.9898 BTC [+]
1180283;1435476999;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176407 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrlYJqPvLks
1180284;1435476999;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 17:21:41; mircea_popescu: "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping
1180285;1435477000;assbot;Referendum (Grèce, Grecia, Greece, Griechenland, Grécia) : Alexis Tsipras - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyAbK )
1180286;1435477541;scoopbot_revived;Mining Difficulty Decreases By -0.58% http://qntra.net/2015/06/mining-difficulty-decreases-by-0-58/
1180287;1435477612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15145 @ 0.00041102 = 6.2249 BTC [+] {2} 
1180288;1435477673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9255 @ 0.00041723 = 3.8615 BTC [+] {2} 
1180289;1435477736;ben_vulpes;cazalla: would benefit from a chart
1180290;1435477886;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHK_W17UgAEuLIl.jpg
1180291;1435477887;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRzIw7 )
1180292;1435477987;cazalla;ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares  CC: pete_dushenski
1180293;1435479570;punkman;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-27/fx-brokerages-move-close-only-ahead-monday-open
1180294;1435479571;assbot;FX Brokerages Move To "Close Only" Ahead Of Monday Open | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRBLQw )
1180295;1435479869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24445 @ 0.00042024 = 10.2728 BTC [+] {2} 
1180296;1435479904;jurov;http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/27/cnn-confuses-butt-plug-and-dildo-banner-for-isis-flag-at-pride/
1180297;1435479904;assbot;CNN confuses sex toy banner for ISIS flag at Pride · PinkNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRC9i4 )
1180298;1435479911;jurov;lol they see isis everywhere
1180299;1435479931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4131 @ 0.00042098 = 1.7391 BTC [+]
1180300;1435479969;punkman;jurov, in their defence, it looks like one
1180301;1435479989;jurov;not on second look
1180302;1435480524;cazalla;somewhat similar to that if you dropped a few stars from the ussa flag, you'd still think it was the ussa flag
1180303;1435481480;mircea_popescu;cazalla have not, no.
1180304;1435481503;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180271 << hos gotta knows where to flock.
1180305;1435481503;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 07:17:23; punkman: http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/
1180306;1435481521;cazalla;got in eventually, just took 5-10m to log into wp-admin for some reason
1180307;1435481538;mircea_popescu;now, why would it be for ~officials~ is another matter.
1180308;1435481943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30708 @ 0.00042154 = 12.9447 BTC [+] {2} 
1180309;1435482622;punkman;!up MacCheese
1180310;1435482854;MacCheese;Does slackware spy on what you do on your computer?
1180311;1435482874;MacCheese;I am Jesus Christ
1180312;1435482924;punkman;welcome
1180313;1435483265;MacCheese;meowmix081?
1180314;1435483468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55750 @ 0.00041856 = 23.3347 BTC [-]
1180315;1435483553;MacCheese;!s meowmix081
1180316;1435483554;assbot;1 results for 'meowmix081' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix081
1180317;1435483561;MacCheese;!s meowmix
1180318;1435483562;assbot;59 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix
1180319;1435483956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11791 @ 0.00042428 = 5.0027 BTC [+]
1180320;1435484505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00041856 = 1.6742 BTC [-]
1180321;1435484566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41098 @ 0.00041744 = 17.1559 BTC [-] {2} 
1180322;1435488958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10526 @ 0.00042428 = 4.466 BTC [+]
1180323;1435492618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68803 @ 0.00042449 = 29.2062 BTC [+] {4} 
1180324;1435496766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00041744 = 20.6842 BTC [-]
1180325;1435498630;punkman;http://www.williamhillplc.com/media/newsroom/media-releases/2015/no-more-bets-on-grexit/
1180326;1435498632;assbot;            William Hill PLC: No More Bets On Grexit                - Media releases                - Newsroom                - Media     ... ( http://bit.ly/1BYNpUd )
1180327;1435498657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00041744 = 5.385 BTC [-]
1180328;1435500060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00041531 = 16.114 BTC [-] {3} 
1180329;1435501036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00041437 = 8.909 BTC [-] {2} 
1180330;1435501123;decimation;asciilifeform, others: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 < hilarious.  C++ methods being 'metaprogrammed' by C macro
1180331;1435501124;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrAIDH )
1180332;1435501129;decimation;satoshi had no shame
1180333;1435501247;decimation;mixing C preprocessor and C++ templates would only occur to someone who had programed much C spagetti code in his life
1180334;1435501342;decimation;ben_vulpes: to be clear, IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE is a C preprocessor macro that is composed of other C preprocessor macros (READWRITE) that ends up dangling all the serialize/deserialize methods onto classes of his choosing
1180335;1435501409;decimation;the methods themselves being C++ template methods
1180336;1435501432;punkman;nice one
1180337;1435501519;kakobrekla;spacex just disintegrated heh
1180338;1435501994;mats;i was also watching the stream
1180339;1435502010;mats;rocket disintegrates mid air
1180340;1435502016;mats;...oops.
1180341;1435502683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19904 @ 0.00041404 = 8.2411 BTC [-]
1180342;1435502724;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu sync from your node (or from hitler's mitm node...!) is at 193600+ and counting
1180343;1435502724;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1180344;1435502879;asciilifeform;traceroute looks same today as last night.
1180345;1435502883;asciilifeform;and it still runs in 'bursts.'
1180346;1435503781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00040364 = 15.076 BTC [-]
1180347;1435504461;asciilifeform;'BLM Special Agent Dan Love of Salt Lake City was cited multiple times as the person behind many of the BLM requests, according to the emails. Love will have a personal bathroom trailer to be shared with only one other official, according to documents. Love also led the BLM operation against Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy that ended in a standoff with Bundy's armed supporters. He did not return requests for comment this week.'
1180348;1435504467;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l
1180349;1435504501;*;asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal
1180350;1435504513;mats;'culture'
1180351;1435504555;asciilifeform;if i wanted to sit in the sun and dig latrines i could do it for free in .mil
1180352;1435504635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16491 @ 0.00040364 = 6.6564 BTC [-]
1180353;1435504722;asciilifeform;they have better pyrotechnics too.
1180354;1435504900;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 << cpp programmers in particular have no notion of hygiene. and the more experienced, the less of a notion they have, as a rule
1180355;1435504901;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnqlkG )
1180356;1435504982;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180335 << pretty much what naggum said: the language and its ecosystem encourages this kind of mental decay - and selects for the susceptible in the first place
1180357;1435504982;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 14:23:29; decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods
1180358;1435505071;asciilifeform;see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3088289335876823@naggum.no.html
1180359;1435505072;assbot;Re: Why a lisp OS? Re: Help required on Limitations of Lisp - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1NquySi )
1180360;1435505099;asciilifeform;in particular, 'in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it.'
1180361;1435505670;asciilifeform;https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00049.html << drepper!
1180362;1435505671;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqvNB2 )
1180363;1435505672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^^
1180364;1435505709;asciilifeform;(re: the gconv thing. i've been bashing my head against the conundrum of how to tear out that idiocy from my static build)
1180365;1435505728;asciilifeform;it ~has~ to go
1180366;1435505748;asciilifeform;go and strace the thing and yes, it snarfs up this perfectly-irrelevant turd from disk
1180367;1435505775;asciilifeform;https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00051.html << moar of same
1180368;1435505776;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nqw332 )
1180369;1435505794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00040671 = 18.3426 BTC [+] {3} 
1180370;1435505882;asciilifeform;poettering et al are small change in comparison
1180371;1435505906;asciilifeform;linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers.
1180372;1435506033;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180185 << my build cannot be considered battlefield-ready in this sense until the gconv thing is burned out with hot irons
1180373;1435506033;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 05:26:58; mircea_popescu: also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis.
1180374;1435506063;asciilifeform;that thing is a ready, lubricated orifice for slithering vermin
1180375;1435506214;asciilifeform;the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column
1180376;1435506235;asciilifeform;how has he not spoken out (or eaten his pistol...) yet ?
1180377;1435506404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00039688 = 7.101 BTC [-]
1180378;1435507136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40805 @ 0.00039626 = 16.1694 BTC [-] {2} 
1180379;1435507197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12648 @ 0.00039532 = 5 BTC [-]
1180380;1435508832;chetty;http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/
1180381;1435508833;assbot;  Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer - Digits - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDtxTo )
1180382;1435508925;chetty;is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp?
1180383;1435509733;asciilifeform;'...The exchange sheds further light on the latest work carried out by large technology firms in the field of artificial intelligence, a booming field...' << apparently today is still 1966, weizenbaum's 'eliza' is 'latest work'
1180384;1435509752;asciilifeform;!up bitcoinfailed
1180385;1435509799;*;asciilifeform loves the open-ended 'failed' used in the english language
1180386;1435509857;asciilifeform;sentence doesn't need an object, why'd ya want that, aha
1180387;1435509927;kakobrekla;Human: What do you like to talk about?
1180388;1435509927;kakobrekla;Machine: Nothing.
1180389;1435509931;kakobrekla;seems quite honest to me
1180390;1435509950;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo in your gardening, have you ever used a 19th c.-style muscle-powered grass cutter? i did today, and noticed that it is actually less exhausting than petrol-powered variety on account of my not breathing CO from tailpipe
1180391;1435509950;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1180392;1435510613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52197 @ 0.00039377 = 20.5536 BTC [-]
1180393;1435511223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00039826 = 8.005 BTC [+]
1180394;1435512565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00039826 = 7.2882 BTC [+]
1180395;1435514212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00039416 = 9.381 BTC [-]
1180396;1435514383;asciilifeform;208002...
1180397;1435514512;*;asciilifeform is coming to think that we will be needing a mechanism for out-of-band (hashes, pgp) comparison of blockchains
1180398;1435514535;*;asciilifeform is not ~at all~ certain that he is actually pulling from mircea_popescu's box, rather than a preet's
1180399;1435514550;ben_vulpes;how could one tell? ordering of blocks?
1180400;1435514559;asciilifeform;tell what ?
1180401;1435514567;asciilifeform;whether he and i have same ?
1180402;1435514573;asciilifeform;by hashing and sending pgpgram...
1180403;1435514598;ben_vulpes;there's no guarantee that you'll produce the same blockchain on disk, though.
1180404;1435514605;asciilifeform;precisely
1180405;1435514624;asciilifeform;hence why we need a mechanism to actually checksum the blocks and dump it to a man-readable form
1180406;1435514642;ben_vulpes;i would actually be *surprised* if you did produce the same disk bytes via a network cslurping
1180407;1435514642;asciilifeform;can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this
1180408;1435514653;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you know full well that it won't
1180409;1435514689;asciilifeform;which is why i said 'we need mechanism...' rather than 'hey mircea_popescu, hash those db turds and send me back via pgp wontcha'
1180410;1435514693;ben_vulpes;i surmise
1180411;1435514723;ben_vulpes;the thing at this point lies spread apart on my vivisection table
1180412;1435514740;ben_vulpes;i've not yet mapped its circulatory system, much less how it excretes
1180413;1435514756;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you wanna perform a heroid deed, find out how to nuke gconv
1180414;1435514760;asciilifeform;*heroic
1180415;1435514790;asciilifeform;so far, all i learned is that it can - supposedly - be disabled during glibc build config. but this is not what i want
1180416;1435514810;ben_vulpes;i'm not actually entirely certain where the gconv stuff is coming in
1180417;1435514818;asciilifeform;if i have to write an elf diddler to yank it out of the binary, i will
1180418;1435514821;asciilifeform;but would rather not come to this
1180419;1435514830;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it is coming via glibc
1180420;1435514835;asciilifeform;see the drepper link earlier today
1180421;1435514839;asciilifeform;that fucker is responsible
1180422;1435514845;asciilifeform;was quite open about it.
1180423;1435514904;ben_vulpes;that, sir, is over my pay grade.
1180424;1435514932;asciilifeform;i'm still hoping that i overlooked something, and that it can be disabled via civilized means
1180425;1435514934;ben_vulpes;behavior tracker has my attention at the moment.
1180426;1435514956;ben_vulpes;(or is that another "jam tomorrow"?)
1180427;1435514965;asciilifeform;?
1180428;1435514970;asciilifeform;which behaviour
1180429;1435514983;ben_vulpes;"peer ranker"
1180430;1435515004;ben_vulpes;dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
1180431;1435515014;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, there is no intelligence in it beyond the misbehave... crap
1180432;1435515033;ben_vulpes;i speak of mircea_popescu's desired behavior.
1180433;1435515046;asciilifeform;that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable
1180434;1435515048;asciilifeform;(gossip)
1180435;1435515057;asciilifeform;right now, as i said, no one has any idea who he is talking to
1180436;1435515073;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes
1180437;1435515074;asciilifeform;for all i know, i'm syncing from a stooge box planted only a few miles away at my isp
1180438;1435515104;asciilifeform;and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand
1180439;1435515105;ben_vulpes;and if thbox serves at a high bandwidth few bastards and blocks that all verify, why not prefer it over others?
1180440;1435515124;asciilifeform;'few bastards' is not a criterion while we're using the classical sync mechanism;
1180441;1435515132;asciilifeform;e.g., mircea_popescu's box craps out as many bastards as anyone's
1180442;1435515143;asciilifeform;on account of there being no intelligence whatsoever in the sync code
1180443;1435515146;ben_vulpes;ah have ye tested that yet?
1180444;1435515154;asciilifeform;i have the thing scrolling on own display
1180445;1435515169;asciilifeform;have been watching it, on and off, since started
1180446;1435515169;mats;http://newsexaminer.net/politics/sex-offenders-now-required-transparent-rainbows-profile-pictures
1180447;1435515173;assbot;Sex Offenders Now Required To Have Transparent Rainbows On Their Profile Image - News Examiner - Examine Your World ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZnOdC )
1180448;1435515173;ben_vulpes;"blonde, brunette, redhead..."
1180449;1435515217;*;ben_vulpes is still curious about the block-vomiting process, and how bastards make it in
1180450;1435515230;asciilifeform;mats: l0l, a new 'the onion'
1180451;1435515313;mats;pretty good.
1180452;1435516226;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 313 @ 0.00463062 = 1.4494 BTC [-] {10} 
1180453;1435516281;decimation;asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower
1180454;1435516287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00039416 = 14.0715 BTC [-]
1180455;1435516301;decimation;the cord is a little annoying but lack of co coming from exhaust is worthwhile
1180456;1435517143;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> and it still runs in 'bursts.' << this is a very strange behaviour. what's 193k, like 3-5% ?
1180457;1435517170;mircea_popescu; 'BLM Special Agent" ? what the fuck ? everyone in the us got their power rangers now ?
1180458;1435517224;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal << pretty much the ONLY remaining spot on the west coast to meet slovenly females that are undemanding.
1180459;1435517251;mircea_popescu;your average adolescent male does not own a shirt. the female he'd be interested in dreams about waiting for "the right saudi prince".
1180460;1435517254;mircea_popescu;imagine the tensions.
1180461;1435517276;mircea_popescu;them silly kids will not really shoot for burning man, of course, but they'd be REALLY really sad in their corner if it went away.
1180462;1435517284;mircea_popescu;"self reliance" = "we fuck in the dirt"
1180463;1435517373;decimation;I wonder how long it will be until 'BLM special agents' start claiming sovereignty over their lands
1180464;1435517401;mircea_popescu;in other news, i propose a petition to have the "Child Porn" utility removed from linux. why is not MauVe enough ?
1180465;1435517413;mircea_popescu;only thing they do with CP is CI anyway.
1180466;1435517507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00039876 = 11.9628 BTC [+] {2} 
1180467;1435517519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gets a confirmed kill https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00050.html drepper's the enemy.
1180468;1435517520;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSLy8Z )
1180469;1435517553;mircea_popescu;" nobody used the code for real " ; "I personally don't care at all how big static binaries are."
1180470;1435517557;mircea_popescu;it's like a religion.
1180471;1435517568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16776 @ 0.00040003 = 6.7109 BTC [+]
1180472;1435517572;mircea_popescu;"Nobody must use them except for very few exceptions and for those larger code size is ok."
1180473;1435517609;decimation;heh
1180474;1435517669;decimation;well, as we have discussed here before, the whole idea of shared libraries is kind of a fucktarded version of 'global namespaces'
1180475;1435517708;mircea_popescu;not ~really~.
1180476;1435517856;mircea_popescu;and i base myself on the fact that they worked pretty well in practice until the new generation of "reformist" idiots got involved, and put 'locale' as a concept in c.
1180477;1435517873;mircea_popescu;before that existed, python worked fine, and static builds were trhe default and so on.
1180478;1435518117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0004011 = 10.1879 BTC [+] {2} 
1180479;1435518142;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers. << kinda why everyone is reacting with so much disbelief at the sudden "this is not acceptable". they had been doing it forever, gavin as a marginally retarded peripheral agent of the idiocy got totally blindsided by an armed insurection. that we'd pursue it is i suppose plainly unthinkable, the sort of thing the rmcgraths of th
1180480;1435518142;mircea_popescu;e world were dreaming about in their cells twenty years ago, like my grandfather looking at the sky waiting for "the americans" to show up.
1180481;1435518166;mircea_popescu;this is also why poettering et all so plainly expected it to work etc/
1180482;1435518211;mircea_popescu;it all makes perfect sense, looking at it now. they look like patently insane if considered on the merits, but if considered culturally they are simply "i just work here" and "this is how the world works". about as insane as an ant.
1180483;1435518223;mircea_popescu;and as decimation points out, yes we've agreed an ant's insane.
1180484;1435518332;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column << you would have expected to read about it on his trilema, yes ? of what is this expectation built, if not out of the existence of trilema, and of the existence of mpoe-pr at my orders, and of the culture this engendered ? rms does not read trilema ; in his ignorance, trilema does not exist and same thing can not be rep
1180485;1435518332;mircea_popescu;roduced for "reasons". and so he is in the unenviable position of one whom we do not doubt that behaves as one that is guilty - ie, must have known, said nothing ever.
1180486;1435518371;mircea_popescu;<chetty> is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp? << o.O
1180487;1435518473;mircea_popescu;"The exchange sheds further light on the latest work" << yeah. it sheds the following light : "work" by these wankers consists these days of outputting random strings from pre-made texts and trying to do a cute seleciton thereof.
1180488;1435518481;mircea_popescu;it's so wrong it's not even cargo cult.
1180489;1435518578;asciilifeform;thing is still running in (short) bursts, as before.
1180490;1435518588;asciilifeform;plenty of outright disconnects, too
1180491;1435518588;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea.
1180492;1435518588;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 18:04:02; asciilifeform: can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this
1180493;1435518600;asciilifeform;209209.
1180494;1435518609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's been in my head for a while now.
1180495;1435518610;mircea_popescu;can this actually work for 1.1 ie next version ?
1180496;1435518643;mircea_popescu;have a -checkpoint=111 -checkpointe=113 which takes blocks 111 to 113 hashes them dumps hash.
1180497;1435518644;asciilifeform;really shouldn't be hard. when commanded, will piss out ascii text with block # <<>> hash
1180498;1435518652;mircea_popescu;aye
1180499;1435518730;mircea_popescu;to think that it's not already in there for crying out loud.
1180500;1435518736;mircea_popescu;how have i lived before ?
1180501;1435518760;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes.
1180502;1435518760;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
1180503;1435518796;asciilifeform;other thing, that will have to be added, imho, asap, is a non-retarded version of 'connect'
1180504;1435518802;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism.
1180505;1435518802;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:46; asciilifeform: that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable
1180506;1435518815;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also 1.1 ideally yes.
1180507;1435518817;asciilifeform;where 1) can -connect to *multiple* boxes 2) does not as result wall off from inbound connections
1180508;1435518830;asciilifeform;say i wanna cycle between mircea_popescu's 3 boxen
1180509;1435518832;mircea_popescu;1 before 2, yes.
1180510;1435518848;mircea_popescu;the entire idea of what we are building here is NODE HIERARCHY.
1180511;1435518857;asciilifeform;or say i wanna permit inbounds from lusers but never getblocks() from them
1180512;1435518861;mircea_popescu;which is to say, i wish my node to connect only to people on THIS list, and let anyone connect to it.
1180513;1435518866;decimation;asciilifeform: what about connecting something to a running bitcoind, siphoning off blocks as they are 'validated'?
1180514;1435518878;decimation;re-index into sane database
1180515;1435518881;mircea_popescu;then the ability of the wankers to poison the chain becomes nil : sure, whatever nodes listen to them listen to them. the infrastructure does not.
1180516;1435518883;asciilifeform;decimation: that's plain old -connect
1180517;1435518919;asciilifeform;decimation: or if you meant some oddball 'embrace & extend' of the sync protocol - yeah, we'll probably get there eventually
1180518;1435518930;decimation;yeah I guess that's kinda what I mean
1180519;1435518933;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180438 << this would be so fucking great if it's the case.
1180520;1435518933;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 18:11:44; asciilifeform: and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand
1180521;1435518938;mircea_popescu;those poor schmucks imagine.
1180522;1435518945;decimation;implant probes into bitcoind to suck out its blocks
1180523;1435518956;mircea_popescu;they had to murder the connection to buy themselves another 16 hours, because OMFG THEY'RE DOING WHAT ?!?!? NOW ?!?!
1180524;1435518959;mircea_popescu;and now have to work it
1180525;1435518961;mircea_popescu;ahhhh
1180526;1435519010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if enemy action indeed rather than the net being a ruinous ball of yarn - they were probably fuzzing for various protocol boojums
1180527;1435519039;asciilifeform;of course, plain old reroute for snorting with derelict infrastructure would have similar 'molasses' effect..
1180528;1435519049;asciilifeform;^ the most likely picture
1180529;1435519061;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 << i use the same thing. co2 doesn't bother me much, however, i will go into the ss before i put up with that sort of wrist vibration.
1180530;1435519061;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower
1180531;1435519069;mircea_popescu;i intend to remain able to type my entire lifespan.
1180532;1435519084;decimation;well, the other reason I use electric: one less engine to maintain
1180533;1435519088;asciilifeform;what kind of grass mircea_popescu cuts in his flat, lol
1180534;1435519099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in timisoara i had a garden recall ?
1180535;1435519103;asciilifeform;aha!
1180536;1435519104;asciilifeform;yes.
1180537;1435519108;mircea_popescu;well, that.
1180538;1435519109;decimation;no gas to store, no oil to change, etc
1180539;1435519118;mircea_popescu;and it was about 1/4 ton of grass each cutting.
1180540;1435519135;mircea_popescu;which means about 20 in a year, which the neighbours helpfully PUT OUTSIDE BY THEIR DUMPSTERS.
1180541;1435519147;mircea_popescu;then went to supermarket and bought feed for the poor yard.
1180542;1435519156;asciilifeform;l0l
1180543;1435519158;mircea_popescu;then they will wish to know why isis comes and beheads them
1180544;1435519166;mircea_popescu;and it will be an unexpolainable hatred, i'm sure.
1180545;1435519205;decimation;mircea_popescu: generally here the received wisdom is that you want to leave grass clippings on the lawn
1180546;1435519208;*;asciilifeform bbl, playing with pet
1180547;1435519219;decimation;rots, recycles nutrients
1180548;1435519254;mircea_popescu;decimation what i did was pile it all in a corner.
1180549;1435519269;mircea_popescu;also rots. also provides nutrients. can be split up over the yard beforer first snow.
1180550;1435519275;decimation;yeah, that works too
1180551;1435519284;mircea_popescu;also attracts birds.
1180552;1435519288;decimation;you can add kitchen scraps and wood clippings, make good compost
1180553;1435519308;mircea_popescu;ideally you start it with a good offering of herbivore droppings.
1180554;1435519335;decimation;that's a good idea
1180555;1435519343;mircea_popescu;and i did add the wood clippings, ie, me cutting off an apple and a pear tree into shape over a coupla years, after having been neglected for 5ish
1180556;1435519347;decimation;I've also heard of going to the nearest swamp and grabbing the muck
1180557;1435519369;mircea_popescu;not very useful, for your thing will not be either that wet or that basic. very acidic
1180558;1435519376;mircea_popescu;horsesht the only way to go.
1180559;1435519384;decimation;yeah that's a good idea
1180560;1435519416;decimation;^ note that this is how people made fertiziler since the dawn of time
1180561;1435519424;mircea_popescu;just don't put anything coniferous / wallnut in there.
1180562;1435519436;mircea_popescu;like the ornamental tree stuffs.
1180563;1435519570;mircea_popescu;"You don't have to boot frmo the CDROM.  And if you need a router you have a network and therefore can connect to another machine."
1180564;1435519579;mircea_popescu;Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:38:56 -0700
1180565;1435519595;mircea_popescu;imo nsa of 1999 was much better organised than the crap of today.
1180566;1435519650;mircea_popescu;For instance: #include <stdio.h> int main(int argc, char **argv) {   printf ("Hello World\n"); } compiles to 985,018 bytes.  This is almost all libc overhead.
1180567;1435519654;mircea_popescu;what is it by now ? 4mb ?
1180568;1435519702;decimation;heh
1180569;1435519819;decimation;it's only 8.3k on mac osx
1180570;1435519828;mircea_popescu;that's pretty good.
1180571;1435519919;decimation;6.4kbyte on redhat 6
1180572;1435520072;decimation;that's shared linking though
1180573;1435520094;mircea_popescu;nonono, static
1180574;1435520188;decimation;heh 743kbyte on redhat
1180575;1435520195;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1180576;1435520236;mircea_popescu;incredible that this "free world" thing has waited patiently, and incredibly quietly, for 25 years for us to show up. i imagine it will be very hurt in its hopes and aspirations when i spit in its mouth.
1180577;1435520248;mircea_popescu;because truly, it was waiting for salvation! resisting through culture!
1180578;1435520255;mircea_popescu;they really did mean to assassinate hitler!
1180579;1435520312;mircea_popescu;just biding their time, waiting for a good opportunity, honest! wanted to do maximum damage, and as we all know, ~MAXIMUM~ damage is always in the future.
1180580;1435520392;mircea_popescu;what's needed is a fucking ISCS. the intellectual state of computer science.
1180581;1435520397;decimation;heh
1180582;1435520740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37819 @ 0.00040263 = 15.2271 BTC [+] {2} 
1180583;1435521045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00039366 = 43.6569 BTC [-] {4} 
1180584;1435521411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23043 @ 0.0003933 = 9.0628 BTC [-]
1180585;1435521699;punkman;...and banks closed for a week, maybe.
1180586;1435521960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.0003933 = 16.263 BTC [-]
1180587;1435521983;punkman;also first jackpot yesterday, burglars got away with some guy's safe containing 700k in cash/jewelry
1180588;1435522631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00040537 = 14.8568 BTC [+] {2} 
1180589;1435523697;asciilifeform;214873.
1180590;1435523847;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180504 << still need it, to, e.g., keep lusers from taking shits into the mempool
1180591;1435523847;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 19:13:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism.
1180592;1435525010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31619 @ 0.000407 = 12.8689 BTC [+]
1180593;1435525132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27793 @ 0.00040714 = 11.3156 BTC [+] {2} 
1180594;1435525193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32407 @ 0.0004092 = 13.2609 BTC [+]
1180595;1435525986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.0004092 = 16.3475 BTC [+]
1180596;1435525992;chetty;asciilifeform, if my node only connects to your node mempool is safe right
1180597;1435526002;asciilifeform;whose ?
1180598;1435526840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.0004048 = 5.2422 BTC [-] {2} 
1180599;1435527013;chetty;mine
1180600;1435527036;asciilifeform;depends on who got to crap in mine, doesnit.
1180601;1435527043;chetty;yes
1180602;1435527267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10820 @ 0.00039959 = 4.3236 BTC [-] {2} 
1180603;1435527430;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. << not jam tomorrow, then?
1180604;1435527430;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
1180605;1435527999;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: Misbehaving is p lulzy
1180606;1435528011;ben_vulpes;great enumeration of badness
1180607;1435528125;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 <<< electric mower and whipper snipper seems like a recipe for trouble
1180608;1435528125;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower
1180609;1435528214;mats;i dun even have a lawn
1180610;1435528227;mats;and i am glad
1180611;1435528262;cazalla;i wish i could mow the lawn every day
1180612;1435528328;mats;what are we talking about now
1180613;1435528395;ben_vulpes;caz has a shaving fetish, gets razor burn, tries not to cry, cries a lot
1180614;1435528470;mats;pretty tame compared to mp's interests
1180615;1435528523;cazalla;a shaving fetish.. that's a first.. gotta google this one
1180616;1435528563;cazalla;who would've guessed.. manshavingfetish.blogspot.com.au
1180617;1435528569;ben_vulpes;heh.
1180618;1435528573;ben_vulpes;rule 48.
1180619;1435528584;cazalla;seriously though, i enjoy mowing the lawn, that fresh cut look, the smell, the goodies for my compost
1180620;1435528669;mats;i dunno what i expected when i clicked that
1180621;1435528678;mats;insta regret
1180622;1435528720;cazalla;mats, just don't drop dead in front of PC with that page open eh
1180623;1435529475;mats;"There are still too many people out there who think (or even insist) that static linking has benefits. This has never been the case and never will be the case." this guy...
1180624;1435529829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00039431 = 3.9825 BTC [-] {2} 
1180625;1435531046;trinque;a yard sale was selling a mac performa for five bucks... so now I own one of those
1180626;1435531049;*;trinque shrugs
1180627;1435531061;trinque;maybe fun for old mac games
1180628;1435531110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30388 @ 0.00040896 = 12.4275 BTC [+]
1180629;1435531382;trinque;hypercard "player" ?
1180630;1435531383;trinque;wtf is this shit
1180631;1435531402;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658
1180632;1435531404;assbot;Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIxoO )
1180633;1435531405;asciilifeform;get the real one
1180634;1435531416;asciilifeform;(as seen in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 )
1180635;1435531418;assbot;Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIx8g )
1180636;1435531476;trinque;sweet, ty
1180637;1435531586;cazalla;dat wicked sense of humour https://twitter.com/abuuomar428/status/614714028368232448
1180638;1435531636;trinque;asciilifeform: it does seem as per your write-up, that there was a far more inventive apple once upon a time, which jobs put to a stop in favor of iOS appification
1180639;1435531650;asciilifeform;trinque: hypercard was written by 1 guy
1180640;1435531654;asciilifeform;(initially)
1180641;1435531658;asciilifeform;so not 'more inventive apple'
1180642;1435531664;trinque;ah
1180643;1435531665;asciilifeform;just less actively retarded
1180644;1435531707;trinque;would this one take that microexplorer card?
1180645;1435531713;trinque;not that I've been able to find one anywhere online
1180646;1435531781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00039412 = 1.6356 BTC [-]
1180647;1435531795;asciilifeform;microexplorer ?
1180648;1435531835;trinque;lisp machine board for the mac of some sort
1180649;1435531845;asciilifeform;you may be thinking of symbolics's 'macivory'
1180650;1435531854;asciilifeform;you can get these from dave schmidt, virginia, usa
1180651;1435531857;trinque;that's another I think
1180652;1435531872;asciilifeform;'explorer' was the crappy texas instruments lispm
1180653;1435531880;asciilifeform;(they were among the original mit licensees, yes)
1180654;1435531882;trinque;http://lemonodor.com/archives/2002/10/ti_microexplore.html
1180655;1435531884;assbot;Lemonodor: TI microExplorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR8qc )
1180656;1435531886;trinque;ah k
1180657;1435531890;asciilifeform;it is barely a step above the original 'cadr' machine
1180658;1435531903;asciilifeform;'macivory' was on the other hand pretty much as good as it got
1180659;1435531912;trinque;only purpose of this archaelogical dig is my own historical education
1180660;1435531913;asciilifeform;http://www.symbolics-dks.com << if you want one, talk to this fella
1180661;1435531914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR9KV )
1180662;1435531922;asciilifeform;it'll be somewhere south of 2k usd
1180663;1435531931;asciilifeform;(last i checked. which was some years ago.)
1180664;1435533833;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've used a couple. I like the strong lines they put in the grass, but they cut so short
1180665;1435534953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53347 @ 0.00040923 = 21.8312 BTC [+] {3} 
1180666;1435535306;trinque;ah turns out it had an original hypercard already on there from 1996
1180667;1435535657;trinque;and flying toasters!
1180668;1435535661;trinque;what else does a guy need
1180669;1435536051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16403 @ 0.00040763 = 6.6864 BTC [-] {2} 
1180670;1435536262;ben_vulpes;trinque: does it have 'naughty dog' as well?
1180671;1435536478;trinque;ben_vulpes: nah this version of after dark only has 5 screen savers
1180672;1435536493;trinque;no naughty dog, no lawn mower man
1180673;1435536841;ben_vulpes;disappointing.
1180674;1435536905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8157 @ 0.00039844 = 3.2501 BTC [-]
1180675;1435537088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00041034 = 5.7858 BTC [+] {2} 
1180676;1435537590;ben_vulpes;http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << "resistance through culture"
1180677;1435537591;assbot;How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoFuk0 )
1180678;1435537592;ben_vulpes;?
1180679;1435537637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0004107 = 2.033 BTC [+] {2} 
1180680;1435538235;mats;http://www.securitytube.net/video/13389
1180681;1435538236;assbot;Circle City Con 2015 -  Analyzing The Entropy Of Document Hidden Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoGch2 )
1180682;1435538322;*;BingoBoingo building stator on HUGEfreetop. Just set freetop up with Linux Mint 17.1 because lazy
1180683;1435538523;*;asciilifeform prepares to release mighty cool thing
1180684;1435538658;mats;BingoBoingo: do ya have a pogo yet?
1180685;1435538695;BingoBoingo;mats: Not yet. I prolly ought to get on that soon
1180686;1435538796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40054 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0965 BTC [-] {2} 
1180687;1435538979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00003331 = 3.331 BTC [-] {13} 
1180688;1435539012;mats;did anyone ever buy a pallet of em or whatever the plan was?
1180689;1435539028;BingoBoingo;Someone may have?
1180690;1435539035;mats;i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one
1180691;1435539067;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1180692;1435539076;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
1180693;1435539077;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000103.html
1180694;1435539078;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHhFS )
1180695;1435539084;asciilifeform;'(EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor'
1180696;1435539084;mats;would love to read the code and assist in other ways but am occupied atm
1180697;1435539137;mats;http://netsectldr.postach.io
1180698;1435539139;assbot;      mubix            | NetSec TLDR Podcast     ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHlp1 )
1180699;1435539165;mats;r/netsec roundup podcast
1180700;1435539172;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu asked for this (after mircea_popescu asked, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180491 )
1180701;1435539172;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 19:09:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea.
1180702;1435539183;asciilifeform;here it is.
1180703;1435539198;asciilifeform;now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !
1180704;1435539258;asciilifeform;after that, one could sync over 'netcat'
1180705;1435539261;asciilifeform;(if suicidally brave)
1180706;1435539280;asciilifeform;at line speed.
1180707;1435539406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00039403 = 17.1009 BTC [-] {2} 
1180708;1435539463;asciilifeform;and iirc the BuildMerkleTree() is not necessary
1180709;1435539708;ben_vulpes;yaay!
1180710;1435539724;ben_vulpes;dude i've prayed for a thing like this for some time
1180711;1435539754;*;asciilifeform confirmed that merkletree is not needed
1180712;1435539756;asciilifeform;for this
1180713;1435539827;ben_vulpes;what's with the odd indentation on 35/6?
1180714;1435539845;asciilifeform;no idea
1180715;1435539853;asciilifeform;all looks same on my emacs
1180716;1435539875;ben_vulpes;i see a tab on 36
1180717;1435539879;ben_vulpes;not that it matters i don't imagine
1180718;1435539902;asciilifeform;which one's that
1180719;1435539910;ben_vulpes;line number of patch
1180720;1435539942;ben_vulpes;let's fight about whitespace rules
1180721;1435540135;trinque;this whole concept of "website" is fucking stupid
1180722;1435540171;trinque;I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out
1180723;1435540181;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1180724;1435540185;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
1180725;1435540188;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000104.html
1180726;1435540189;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIsox )
1180727;1435540194;asciilifeform;'(CORRECTED) (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor'
1180728;1435540258;ben_vulpes;trinque: wotclassifieds!
1180729;1435540265;ben_vulpes;gribble did this.
1180730;1435540281;trinque;ben_vulpes: had a vague thought re: putting buys/sells in the blockchain somehow
1180731;1435540355;ben_vulpes;NO
1180732;1435540359;trinque;yus
1180733;1435540360;ben_vulpes;just say no.
1180734;1435540368;trinque;I can put whatever I like in the blockchain
1180735;1435540399;ben_vulpes;pissing in mother crypto.
1180736;1435540418;ben_vulpes;anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments
1180737;1435540420;*;trinque goes off to encode dickbutt.jpg as transaction outputs
1180738;1435540432;ben_vulpes;dickbutt.ascii hyuuuu
1180739;1435540436;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: fix it yourself. this can be part of you signing the thing 'i read it...'
1180740;1435540494;ben_vulpes;as i said: 'if you care'
1180741;1435540596;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180722 << have you tried buying from the fella who is living in a warehouse full of'em ?
1180742;1435540596;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 01:09:31; trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out
1180743;1435540622;mircea_popescu;ago
1180744;1435540629;mircea_popescu;heya
1180745;1435540631;asciilifeform;^ there he is!
1180746;1435540636;trinque;asciilifeform: I'll e-mail him, but read chatter from the last few years about not getting replies from the guy
1180747;1435540645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu we have blockshitter
1180748;1435540659;trinque;2k's outside the historic artifact collection budget for now
1180749;1435540665;trinque;saw somebody snagged one for about 600
1180750;1435540669;trinque;maybe five years ago
1180751;1435540672;asciilifeform;trinque: macivory ?
1180752;1435540689;trinque;believe it was, yeah
1180753;1435540695;trinque;somebody sold one on ebay
1180754;1435540722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sorry ?
1180755;1435540725;asciilifeform;oh and it only works in certain macs, with certain videoboards
1180756;1435540730;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see log. new patch
1180757;1435540737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does the thing we spoke of
1180758;1435540754;asciilifeform;craps out block x on demand
1180759;1435540759;mircea_popescu;o hey
1180760;1435540765;trinque;asciilifeform: since the performa in question was five bucks, I wont be too sad if it ends up in the garbage
1180761;1435540777;asciilifeform;trinque: dks used to supply the mac and video board to go with it, when you bought from him
1180762;1435540777;trinque;seems the other route is finding an alpha machine
1180763;1435540785;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm sitting on a stack of those
1180764;1435540803;asciilifeform;trinque: you can have one for the cost of postage
1180765;1435540814;trinque;oh? I'd be interested in that.
1180766;1435540816;asciilifeform;(pgpgram if interested)
1180767;1435540824;trinque;k
1180768;1435540838;asciilifeform;would need to dust it off, see if still runs
1180769;1435541277;mircea_popescu;;;later tell agorecki how's the learning coming along ?
1180770;1435541277;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1180771;1435541362;asciilifeform;$ sha512sum 217040.bin
1180772;1435541363;asciilifeform;580c13b6492b526d2564398e5f28d17aa4d2e97c3321aa47908bf02da12237425cb0c17e6fdfbab1f347d5c4e1851c96b1e0ee36c088b18ae4ef3ed6e5bd1099
1180773;1435541373;asciilifeform;^ example, freshly pulled from mircea_popescu's box
1180774;1435541385;asciilifeform;oops
1180775;1435541387;asciilifeform;forgot the
1180776;1435541389;asciilifeform;./bitcoind dumpblock 217040 217040.bin
1180777;1435541401;asciilifeform;anyway, pretty obvious how to use.
1180778;1435541433;asciilifeform;why this was not included from day 1, who can say.
1180779;1435541468;ben_vulpes;it'd make introspection easy!
1180780;1435541487;*;asciilifeform waits to learn what cthonian horrors will be uncovered by folks using this item
1180781;1435541693;asciilifeform;in principle, when we get 'eatblock' it will be possible to pass around a 'naked' blockchain with upper bound of its mass being $blockheight MB
1180782;1435541702;asciilifeform;(less, with compression)
1180783;1435541744;asciilifeform;i'm not thrilled with the idea of folks doing this as daily practice
1180784;1435541753;asciilifeform;because it sorta defeats the whole point of a p2p gizmo
1180785;1435541768;asciilifeform;but there is a time and place for it
1180786;1435541896;trinque;asciilifeform: sent
1180787;1435541939;asciilifeform;trinque: will answer when i wake up
1180788;1435541944;trinque;k, no rush
1180789;1435541979;trinque;and I appreciate it
1180790;1435541997;trinque;if it doesn't work or ya decide you want the box yourself, no worries
1180791;1435541999;asciilifeform;np
1180792;1435542004;asciilifeform;i already have some
1180793;1435542064;asciilifeform;trinque: btw, it is my understanding that most of the opengenera enthusiasts are using the 'snap4' unofficial warez x86-64 port now
1180794;1435542077;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd suggest trying that one on for size before resorting to archaeological dig
1180795;1435542090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25597 @ 0.00041111 = 10.5232 BTC [+] {2} 
1180796;1435542124;trinque;k
1180797;1435542181;trinque;maybe that's one I tried a while back in kvm
1180798;1435542214;*;asciilifeform bbl
1180799;1435542259;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, yes, tomorrow. but can't hurt thinking about.
1180800;1435542367;BingoBoingo;strator bitcoind built and running up to block 45000
1180801;1435542441;*;ben_vulpes sighs
1180802;1435542453;ben_vulpes;scratches through shitpile for 'jam today' tickets
1180803;1435542457;ben_vulpes;in other news
1180804;1435542464;ben_vulpes;libboost-all-dev << what is this horror
1180805;1435542491;ben_vulpes;how would i see what this thing contains
1180806;1435543605;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45864.0 << for the sake of lulz
1180807;1435543607;assbot;100 (25+25+40+10) BTC Bounty: Blkindex.dat Rebuild Function & others ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkpvG )
1180808;1435543684;decimation;"It?s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it?s large print or small."
1180809;1435543745;mircea_popescu;!up agorecki
1180810;1435543751;gabriel_laddel;Lord Vulpes's Academy for Gifted Youngsters?
1180811;1435543756;gabriel_laddel;Vulpes Academy?
1180812;1435543762;gabriel_laddel;Hmm
1180813;1435543777;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah that's the kind of patch I was implying
1180814;1435543947;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180690 << nice!
1180815;1435543947;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 00:50:35; mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one
1180816;1435543960;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot
1180817;1435543977;ben_vulpes;anyways, i'm off to grill chicken and romp dog with other junior members of the clan
1180818;1435543995;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180705 << no need to be suicidally brave. what it does is, "people's checkpoints". as in, anyone may run a bitcoin with a chain starting with an arbitrary block.
1180819;1435543995;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 00:54:21; asciilifeform: (if suicidally brave)
1180820;1435544003;mircea_popescu;sort of, everyone's a checkpoint manager.
1180821;1435544027;mircea_popescu;or, "i don't give a shit about txn prior to X"
1180822;1435544084;ben_vulpes;(^ more or less kills headers-first abomination)
1180823;1435544135;mircea_popescu;incredible the amount of innovation simply sprouting forth from the ground once someone says "nobody asked you anything" @ the usual barnacles.
1180824;1435544204;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: so there will be no making a (slight) profit educating other's youngsters?
1180825;1435544206;gabriel_laddel;pity
1180826;1435544217;mircea_popescu;the profit is to be made in flesh.
1180827;1435544242;*;mircea_popescu contemplates a future where the only tuition is prostitution.
1180828;1435544273;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot
1180829;1435544285;gabriel_laddel;I  see.
1180830;1435544297;ben_vulpes;anyways, out for real now.
1180831;1435544298;gabriel_laddel;I'd sort of imagined the camus as a set of WoT-enabled buildings.
1180832;1435544323;gabriel_laddel;In maybe Beijing, Tel Aviv, Seoul
1180833;1435544331;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel think about it. why would you want to spend time with an idiot if you're not fucking her. and what else is an idiot if not one in dire need of some education.
1180834;1435544460;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: there are not many real people in my locale that I get to play with :/
1180835;1435544489;mircea_popescu;virtual educations are like virtual machines.
1180836;1435544503;gabriel_laddel;?
1180837;1435544512;mircea_popescu;cheap, dispensable solutions you can't rely on.
1180838;1435544513;gabriel_laddel;also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members
1180839;1435544585;gabriel_laddel;My impression of Vulpes Academy was that it would have a physical manifestation.
1180840;1435544617;gabriel_laddel;Sort of like a club for kids whose parents are on the up and up
1180841;1435544620;gabriel_laddel;with a library
1180842;1435544621;gabriel_laddel;and a lab
1180843;1435544627;gabriel_laddel;and visiting instructors
1180844;1435544652;mircea_popescu;how about you educate your children pre-puberty, and whoever they feel like educates them post ?
1180845;1435544664;mats;lol what
1180846;1435544665;mircea_popescu;there is really no substance to the institution of marriage outside of this.
1180847;1435544677;gabriel_laddel;hmmm...
1180848;1435544678;mats;22:21:54 <+gabriel_laddel> also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members << you adopting asians now?
1180849;1435544702;gabriel_laddel;mats: someone has to bribe fab operators.
1180850;1435544730;mats;get back to me in a few years, huh
1180851;1435544761;gabriel_laddel;mats: lol, I need to be adopted, not the other way around.
1180852;1435544868;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: It seems to me that the academy should educate kids of ages 15 and older, so you have something to work with.
1180853;1435544911;mircea_popescu;a) you can't educate "a class". individuals only ; b) you can't educate people you don't, most intimately, know ; c) there's no education outside of the educated's choice.
1180854;1435544919;gabriel_laddel;"we assume you can read, write and do simple mathematics - now build some rockets and jungle IC on the cheap"
1180855;1435544924;mircea_popescu;so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.
1180856;1435544950;*;asciilifeform back
1180857;1435544955;asciilifeform;anybody build that thing ?
1180858;1435544993;decimation;I was gonna, but gave up trying to get the pile of dependent patches
1180859;1435545005;asciilifeform;decimation: you can use my tree from last night
1180860;1435545008;asciilifeform;it's in the tarball
1180861;1435545016;decimation;oh I thought that was just the binary
1180862;1435545020;decimation;I'll start it
1180863;1435545031;asciilifeform;for testing only
1180864;1435545033;asciilifeform;naturally
1180865;1435545069;mircea_popescu;http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << not a bad read actually.
1180866;1435545071;assbot;How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkDTM )
1180867;1435545076;mircea_popescu;"The fuel, as usual, is the emotional blackmail of people of goodwill, the uses of mass mobilization to exploit that goodwill, then, finally, to render all such goodwill meaningless."
1180868;1435545076;asciilifeform;incidentally, anybody who wants can now easily serve http://yourthing/blocks/x
1180869;1435545086;mircea_popescu;yes. empty "goodwill" is closer to a crime than to a good thing.
1180870;1435545229;cazalla;http://www.baldursgate.com/ ermagawd 10 day count down to something.. bg3
1180871;1435545230;assbot;Baldur's Gate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkEHa )
1180872;1435545230;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180855 << the non-gay mathematicians et al will have problems with this algo
1180873;1435545230;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 02:28:44; mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.
1180874;1435545258;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most mathematicians hate teaching anyway
1180875;1435545269;gabriel_laddel;lol
1180876;1435545271;asciilifeform;somebody's gotta teach the damn stuff
1180877;1435545279;mircea_popescu;because why ?
1180878;1435545280;asciilifeform;ditto engineering, programming, etc
1180879;1435545282;gabriel_laddel;EVERYTHING MUST REVOLVE AROUND SEX ALL THE TIME
1180880;1435545287;mircea_popescu;if nobody had taught poettering how to write, the loss ?
1180881;1435545312;asciilifeform;the better schools use a kind of 'riker's island' approach anyway
1180882;1435545318;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel your protest is not unlike protesting everything on earth gotta spin around the sun.
1180883;1435545322;mircea_popescu;society is built on fucking.
1180884;1435545324;asciilifeform;'listen maggots, in six weeks come back with a basic unix'
1180885;1435545350;gabriel_laddel;I'm not protesting, just noting that perhaps not everyone is *quite* as sexually driven as yourself .
1180886;1435545365;mircea_popescu;why do you think i myself have anything to do with it ?
1180887;1435545380;mircea_popescu;it is with great sorrow i say the above, no sort of anticipation.
1180888;1435545435;gabriel_laddel;Hrm. Perhaps I should have said "not everyone sees everything through the lense of sexual attraction constantly" - myself being a prime example.
1180889;1435545477;mircea_popescu;that'd be a problem of poor sight.
1180890;1435545494;gabriel_laddel;And the probably also the straight(?) mathematican I had a conversation with last weekend.
1180891;1435545563;mircea_popescu;"I think the reason there is so little “comedy” that’s funny today is the genre itself has been hijacked by the humorless PC crowd." <<-->> http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/
1180892;1435545564;assbot;"Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0c4Ym )
1180893;1435545593;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel the notion that one can educate outside of a sexual context is not unlike the notion that one can write code without reading any.
1180894;1435545597;mircea_popescu;you know... for kids!
1180895;1435545605;gabriel_laddel;What.
1180896;1435545611;mod6;<+asciilifeform> anybody build that thing ? << i did try to build your "stator" tarball from lastnight.  i provisioned a new deb6 with glibc/gcc-4.5.4, had some issues, never was able to build whole orchestra.  I think its perhaps system related.
1180897;1435545617;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one can educate in a brutalizing/disciplinarian context
1180898;1435545619;gabriel_laddel;I've *never* slept with anyone I've learned from.
1180899;1435545623;asciilifeform;(as in army)
1180900;1435545632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform brutality is purely sexual.
1180901;1435545654;asciilifeform;what was the sexual element in 'come back with operating system in 6 weeks or go flip burgers' ?
1180902;1435545676;mod6;I have to pull up from this and work on the SoBA now.  Otherwise would have normally given you all kinds of dpastes/asked for help.  But instead, I'm just going to look back into this after the start of the month.  I hope that's alright.
1180903;1435545703;asciilifeform;mod6: no hurry
1180904;1435545705;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel's committing this error where he's proposing that since he's not fucking the girl, he's not in love with her ; asciilifeform is committing this error where since there was a building in the vicinity of the learning, the building is now a school.
1180905;1435545711;mircea_popescu;these are unsubstantial, purely nominalist problems
1180906;1435545724;*;asciilifeform can sorta see where mircea_popescu is going
1180907;1435545742;mod6;Ok, I'll for sure revisit this after the doc is done.  I think this one is gonna be lengthy, just wanna make sure I get that done.
1180908;1435545833;gabriel_laddel;toodles
1180909;1435545872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00041039 = 6.279 BTC [-]
1180910;1435545875;mircea_popescu;Along these lines, Meerloo offers a prescription: “We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war – with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse. Humor is, after all, related to a sense of perspective. If we can see how things s
1180911;1435545875;mircea_popescu;hould be, we can see how askew they can get, and we can recognize distortion when we are confronted with it.” << for the record, this is rank nonsense. it only seems to work because americans are the worst of all german stocks - incredibly stolid, unhumorous fellows.
1180912;1435545912;mircea_popescu;societies exhibiting an incredibly exacerbated "making fun" cancer have been recorded. they still have the same problems with demagogues and peoples' general emotional insanity. humor is no panacea.
1180913;1435545929;mircea_popescu;that said, it'd be incredible cultural progress for the us if it actually was a little funnier.
1180914;1435546005;mircea_popescu;the only stable solution is in any case willing submitting to chosen people. and there should be no room for "state" anywhere once that's done.
1180915;1435546117;*;asciilifeform just heard, at close range - out of window - a bird devoured by cat. nature's music.
1180916;1435546328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the bad news is that it looks like node will be off for something like 24 hours.
1180917;1435546335;mircea_popescu;but hopefully this fixes the nonsense.
1180918;1435546337;asciilifeform;no spares yet ?
1180919;1435546347;asciilifeform;and did mircea_popescu ever learn of a cause for the nonsense in question ?
1180920;1435546352;mircea_popescu;(note that at the current rate, it'd have been a lifetime)
1180921;1435546356;mircea_popescu;well not yet, no.
1180922;1435546386;asciilifeform;i'd have tried tunneling 8333 from some very distant place
1180923;1435546389;asciilifeform;and connecting through that
1180924;1435546409;mircea_popescu;any improvement ?
1180925;1435546451;asciilifeform;well, let 213.130.38.26 et al chew on a crypted turdstream
1180926;1435546476;BingoBoingo;strator built now passed block 123455
1180927;1435546484;mircea_popescu;o hey wd bb!
1180928;1435546499;asciilifeform;stator?
1180929;1435546509;BingoBoingo;That
1180930;1435546521;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where did you build it ?
1180931;1435546538;BingoBoingo;Built on the Phreetop running linux Mint 17.1 (because lazy)
1180932;1435546548;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: tried the block dumper patch yet ?
1180933;1435546555;asciilifeform;applies cleanly to same tree
1180934;1435546585;BingoBoingo;Not yet. Build... took some time... will try to get further in sync first
1180935;1435546589;asciilifeform;i sorta want to start doing this thing where we for blocks 0 ... n, sha512sum block_n | gpg ...
1180936;1435546604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15057 @ 0.00041084 = 6.186 BTC [+] {2} 
1180937;1435546681;mircea_popescu;certainly can go into deedbot. which will go into the blockchain. which... inception
1180938;1435546713;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1180939;1435546723;mircea_popescu;(afaik this would be the first example of a closed loop, which is to say a cyuclicity i nthe graph of modification dependencies
1180940;1435546725;*;asciilifeform blows stack
1180941;1435546730;mircea_popescu;or at any rate the first publicly known one.)
1180942;1435546742;mircea_popescu;imagine the inconvenience of trying to diddle history with this arrangement.
1180943;1435546745;mircea_popescu;truely needs qc.
1180944;1435547506;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp
1180945;1435547508;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.16, Best ask: 250.28, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 250.15, 24 hour volume: 5557.75187228, 24 hour low: 247.04, 24 hour high: 251.24, 24 hour vwap: 249.205171345
1180946;1435548077;mod6;BingoBoingo: did you build the whole thing with the stator.sh script? or did you just build bitcoind? or are you running the static binary provided?
1180947;1435548131;BingoBoingo;mod6: Built the whole thing. Hung up once because I was using .gz boost archive instead of .bz2
1180948;1435548152;BingoBoingo;Once that was fixed everything built
1180949;1435548158;decimation;asciilifeform: stator built for me
1180950;1435548164;decimation;on rhel6
1180951;1435548184;mod6;yeah, i hit that small problem too... i had other issues further down the line.  thanks, i must just have an environment issue.
1180952;1435548195;mod6;i'll have to circle back around to this later.
1180953;1435548195;decimation;bitched about mktemp "(.text+0x774d): warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'"
1180954;1435548556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00040299 = 12.6539 BTC [-]
1180955;1435548687;BingoBoingo;daemon is at 136 MB of RAM usage
1180956;1435548790;asciilifeform;congrats BingoBoingo decimation
1180957;1435548828;BingoBoingo;Only pheature I miss from 0.7 series is "getpeerinfo" command
1180958;1435549026;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: shouldn't be hard to re-create it
1180959;1435549044;BingoBoingo;Yeah, and it isn't an urgent thing
1180960;1435549101;*;asciilifeform is dumping and hashing all of the blocks he sucked from mircea_popescu's box earlier
1180961;1435549105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00040299 = 8.8053 BTC [-]
1180962;1435549129;asciilifeform;will sign the result when it has run to the end (likely in the morning)
1180963;1435549193;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/0CXHK64 << script
1180964;1435549195;assbot;dpaste: 0CXHK64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns0Yf8 )
1180965;1435549243;asciilifeform;a bit of a hasty job, forgot the 'dest' thing
1180966;1435549245;asciilifeform;but works
1180967;1435549311;decimation;asciilifeform: of course, next step: force feed bitcoind with array of blocks
1180968;1435549320;asciilifeform;!s eatblock
1180969;1435549321;assbot;0 results for 'eatblock' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eatblock
1180970;1435549332;asciilifeform;hm
1180971;1435549336;asciilifeform;did mention this.
1180972;1435549342;decimation;was it in the email
1180973;1435549345;asciilifeform;nah, here
1180974;1435549354;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180703
1180975;1435549354;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 00:53:18; asciilifeform: now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !
1180976;1435549372;decimation;heh
1180977;1435549374;asciilifeform;wtf does #b-a search not behave exactly like grep ?
1180978;1435549378;asciilifeform;i still can't see any reason
1180979;1435549390;asciilifeform;the 'words' thing is asinine
1180980;1435549765;mircea_popescu;poor mod6 lol/ nothing comes easy to the bsd crowd
1180981;1435550744;*;BingoBoingo will likely attempt stator build on OpenBSD soon
1180982;1435551606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61200 @ 0.00041764 = 25.5596 BTC [+]
1180983;1435552012;asciilifeform;erratum: where i wrote 'O(N^2)' ought to be O(N). complexity of fetching ~all~ blocks is O(N^2).
1180984;1435552030;asciilifeform;haste makes waste (tm)
1180985;1435552033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122448 @ 0.00041973 = 51.3951 BTC [+] {7} 
1180986;1435552094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32228 @ 0.00042386 = 13.6602 BTC [+]
1180987;1435553343;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov please nuke the size limit on turdatron
1180988;1435553343;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1180989;1435553464;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig
1180990;1435553465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKokIW )
1180991;1435553472;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKoksw )
1180992;1435553472;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1180993;1435554351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108931 @ 0.00042685 = 46.4972 BTC [+] {5} 
1180994;1435555178;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Even after taking a walk I wasn't able to digest your point whatsoever. Your model doesn't take into account a large number of things e.g., people who silently do their homework and never speak with the prof.
1180995;1435555301;gabriel_laddel;That "sex" is omnipresent and influences human choice is a rather obvious observation that I can't *do* anything with.
1180996;1435555363;gabriel_laddel;!rate williamdune 2 gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551
1180997;1435555363;assbot;williamdune is not registered in WoT.
1180998;1435555363;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 19:59:17; williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
1180999;1435555391;gabriel_laddel;!rate williamdunne 2 gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551
1181000;1435555391;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/58150678a8923b84
1181001;1435555391;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2015 19:59:17; williamdunne: "Hey, once we've got this account opened, could I bend you over your desk and fuck you in front of your colleague?"
1181002;1435555519;gabriel_laddel;!v assbot:gabriel_laddel.rate.williamdunne.2:0be5b503690d76f7a8c19a002d876fbbe5dde043ca46bc2591d4ac4ce11b9a08
1181003;1435555519;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for williamdunne with note: gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551
1181004;1435555613;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: also, I don't understand what "trilema.com/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/" has to do with anything
1181005;1435555754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00042434 = 1.5187 BTC [-]
1181006;1435555867;gabriel_laddel;"This has lead to no end of headaches when hacking on the bitcoind source. I've built bitcoinds in Docker containers and shipped them off to virtualized servers in The Cloud, I've built them in virtual machines local to my own development machine and run them in the selfsame VMs, and I even burned a few hours today attempting to compile bitcoin nat
1181007;1435555867;gabriel_laddel;ively on my Mac (hey, someone said it was possible!).
1181008;1435555867;gabriel_laddel;Today I moved my entire development flow for hacking on bitcoind into an Ubuntu 14.04 virtual machine. This is just a stopgap until I get the time to build a fresh Linux tower with which I'll undertake Gentoo Quest. Again. For real this time, I swear."
1181009;1435555873;gabriel_laddel;-- http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html
1181010;1435555874;assbot;a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDmzUy )
1181011;1435555931;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: this is why masamune
1181012;1435556053;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2552110/Look-state-Youre-disgusting-Women-loses-10-stone-humiliated-man-threw-drink-night-size.html
1181013;1435556054;assbot;'Look at the state of you. You're disgusting': Women loses over 10 stone after being humiliated when a man threw a drink over her on a night out because of her size | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDmDUf )
1181014;1435556116;BingoBoingo;^ Hate works
1181015;1435556242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00042852 = 10.563 BTC [+]
1181016;1435556733;punkman;need more shitgnome shaming
1181017;1435556853;BingoBoingo;punkman: Not shaming, hating!
1181018;1435556972;punkman;you can do both!
1181019;1435557348;BingoBoingo;Nah, shamming is an attempt to exert control and correction on the part of the target. With hate you don't have to emotionally commit to hoping the target corrects, until they do they are simply trashfolk.
1181020;1435557645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45604 @ 0.00042852 = 19.5422 BTC [+]
1181021;1435558859;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_laddel a) people who aren't being educated aren't being educated, mmkay. why is my model of education supposedly failing to take into account things which aren't part of the field ? b) it was a disucssion of humor, references a quote, from al ink. saw link ?
1181022;1435558860;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1181023;1435559063;mircea_popescu;and it's not a matter of "sex" or "omnipresent" or "influence". sex is the basis of all social interaction. education is not an abstract or abstractable abstraction, but social intercourse, exactly like fucking, exactly like seduction, exactly like any other social behaviour.
1181024;1435559084;mircea_popescu;it is a derivation of speech not of thought.
1181025;1435559841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00042979 = 17.299 BTC [+]
1181026;1435560369;cazalla;http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-33288367
1181027;1435560370;assbot;What should social networks do about hate speech? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJIgdt )
1181028;1435560752;mircea_popescu;mind their own fucking business ?
1181029;1435560760;mircea_popescu;least likely to occur outcome these days huh.
1181030;1435560764;punkman;censorship creates jobs
1181031;1435560773;punkman;think of all the people they gotta hire
1181032;1435560777;mircea_popescu;so would sucking cock.
1181033;1435560858;mircea_popescu;heck, throwing transsexuals from rooftops would create jobs.
1181034;1435560881;mircea_popescu;flaying obese people alive and stuffing small african children in the sack of flesh idem.
1181035;1435560890;mircea_popescu;list goes on.
1181036;1435561007;cazalla;in other news, i spent the arvo putting in another raised garden bed (4.2m x 1.8m), red gum is a really nice timber
1181037;1435561049;mircea_popescu;arvo ?
1181038;1435561074;cazalla;;;ud arvo
1181039;1435561075;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arvo | arvo. One of the many words that Australians have cut syllables off and replaced with "-o". This one represents the hours after 12pm, and is used by people, ...
1181040;1435561109;mircea_popescu;oic.
1181041;1435561167;cazalla;and here i thought it was as common as international words
1181042;1435561310;mircea_popescu;lol international words
1181043;1435561366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00043557 = 22.9763 BTC [+] {2} 
1181044;1435562830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54535 @ 0.00042698 = 23.2854 BTC [-] {3} 
1181045;1435563208;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5gt03jTn51qddd4so1_1280.jpg
1181046;1435563209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1drWoBf )
1181047;1435563745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70036 @ 0.00040299 = 28.2238 BTC [-] {4} 
1181048;1435563806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42009 @ 0.0003961 = 16.6398 BTC [-] {3} 
1181049;1435564172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110828 @ 0.00041003 = 45.4428 BTC [+]
1181050;1435564826;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180996 <<< really a furry or just trollin' ?
1181051;1435564826;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 05:22:43; gabriel_laddel: !rate williamdune 2 gamingfurry.tumblr.com & http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172551
1181052;1435564919;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181014 <<< i don't think it works enough to combat the effects of loose chicken skin.. do this one with the lights off i guess
1181053;1435564919;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 05:35:16; BingoBoingo: ^ Hate works
1181054;1435566124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48751 @ 0.00041003 = 19.9894 BTC [+] {2} 
1181055;1435566368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00043693 = 11.4039 BTC [+]
1181056;1435569479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.00042649 = 21.751 BTC [-] {2} 
1181057;1435569967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40260 @ 0.00041827 = 16.8396 BTC [-] {2} 
1181058;1435570028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6890 @ 0.0003933 = 2.7098 BTC [-]
1181059;1435572388;kakobrekla;http://imgur.com/gallery/ybJrDA0
1181060;1435572389;assbot;                                        Police in Turkey try to stop Pride parade with water cannons, accidentally creates rainbows - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDXf8E )
1181061;1435574020;mircea_popescu;pretty cool lol
1181062;1435574786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00043415 = 10.3762 BTC [+]
1181063;1435575213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00043415 = 16.5411 BTC [+]
1181064;1435576573;kakobrekla;>Cause still unknown after several thousand engineering-hours of review. Now parsing data with a hex editor to recover final milliseconds.
1181065;1435576577;kakobrekla;lolk
1181066;1435576799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70650 @ 0.00043685 = 30.8635 BTC [+] {3} 
1181067;1435577226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35159 @ 0.00043833 = 15.4112 BTC [+]
1181068;1435577287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00043271 = 9.5196 BTC [-]
1181069;1435577531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24434 @ 0.00043833 = 10.7102 BTC [+]
1181070;1435579056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00043271 = 12.6568 BTC [-]
1181071;1435581557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.00043549 = 8.1546 BTC [+]
1181072;1435582900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40954 @ 0.00043608 = 17.8592 BTC [+]
1181073;1435583814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00043391 = 46.168 BTC [-] {2} 
1181074;1435584119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 257181 @ 0.00044418 = 114.2347 BTC [+] {5} 
1181075;1435585285;mats;it rises
1181076;1435585400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.00629999 = 1.26 BTC [-]
1181077;1435586681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15290 @ 0.00044828 = 6.8542 BTC [+]
1181078;1435587291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96201 @ 0.00044624 = 42.9287 BTC [-] {2} 
1181079;1435588145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97100 @ 0.00044383 = 43.0959 BTC [-]
1181080;1435588999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102354 @ 0.00044093 = 45.1309 BTC [-] {2} 
1181081;1435589337;mod6;so ok, yeah was an environment issue.  was able to build the whole orchestra.  can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
1181082;1435590000;mike_c;ben_vulpes: "I want to know who does this:  ./proggy -? to get documentation" << that's the default on windows
1181083;1435590260;mod6;ah, /? works too on d0ze right?
1181084;1435590280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41710 @ 0.00044831 = 18.699 BTC [+] {2} 
1181085;1435590292;mike_c;yeah
1181086;1435590322;mod6;ah yah.  i remember when I /finally/ figured out about /p
1181087;1435590341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27490 @ 0.00044902 = 12.3436 BTC [+]
1181088;1435590463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132400 @ 0.00043461 = 57.5424 BTC [-] {2} 
1181089;1435590646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106900 @ 0.00045066 = 48.1756 BTC [+] {3} 
1181090;1435593385;decimation;cazalla, BingoBoingo:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html < could make a good qntra story
1181091;1435593386;assbot;Sir Tim Hunt investigation reveals flaws about Connie St Louis' testimony | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1U0Rvk8 )
1181092;1435593419;decimation;as far as I can tell, nobody has named who at univeristy college london threatened to fire Tim Hunt if he didn't resign
1181093;1435593916;decimation;also, these escaped convicts in new york were just summarily executed?
1181094;1435593919;decimation;wtf?
1181095;1435594722;scoopbot_revived;The power of discernment. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/29/the-power-of-discernment/
1181096;1435594794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250600 @ 0.00044411 = 111.294 BTC [-]
1181097;1435595298;mod6;!up ascii_field
1181098;1435595551;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181081 << what're you trying to connect to, mod6 ?
1181099;1435595551;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 14:48:57; mod6: so ok, yeah was an environment issue.  was able to build the whole orchestra.  can't connect though: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
1181100;1435595568;mod6;mp's ip
1181101;1435595578;ascii_field;iirc it's down for maintenance as of last night
1181102;1435595581;mod6;oooh
1181103;1435595583;mod6;ok
1181104;1435595611;mod6;thx
1181105;1435595648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76950 @ 0.00044411 = 34.1743 BTC [-]
1181106;1435595671;mod6;so if i do a `pmap -x <PID>`, i do see: gconv-modules.cache in there.
1181107;1435595678;ascii_field;aha
1181108;1435595736;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181090 << this is the 'next james watson' isnnit
1181109;1435595736;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 15:56:25; decimation: cazalla, BingoBoingo:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html < could make a good qntra story
1181110;1435595739;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-28/with-61-seconds-in-a-minute-markets-brace-for-trouble
1181111;1435595740;assbot;With 61 Seconds in a Minute, Markets Brace for Trouble - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1C26IMs )
1181112;1435595806;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#994714
1181113;1435595806;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2015 04:38:18; asciilifeform: leap seconds are braindamaged.
1181114;1435595892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75574 @ 0.00045191 = 34.1526 BTC [+] {2} 
1181115;1435595925;punkman;in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs
1181116;1435596732;ascii_field;punkman: where ?
1181117;1435596748;punkman;in greece
1181118;1435597120;mod6;!up ascii_field
1181119;1435597417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99000 @ 0.00045681 = 45.2242 BTC [+] {3} 
1181120;1435598205;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/29/us-france-uber-idUSKCN0P91UW20150629 << lawl... "yankee go home!"
1181121;1435598206;assbot;      Two Uber executives taken into police custody in France| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZDPqH )
1181122;1435598271;trinque;where's the govt protection for shoe cobblers, butter churners?
1181123;1435598468;trinque;heh I suppose it reduces to "universal base income"
1181124;1435599308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156218 @ 0.00046544 = 72.7101 BTC [+] {4} 
1181125;1435599361;trinque;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/29/paxton-state-workers-can-deny-marriage-licenses-same-sex-couples/29456745/ << if this were to end up an accepted legal defense...
1181126;1435599362;assbot;Texas attorney general says judges can deny same-sex marriage licenses ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZGRLJ )
1181127;1435600018;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181092 << this is thge major problem, the fact bureaucrats manage to hide behind anonimity.
1181128;1435600018;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 15:56:59; decimation: as far as I can tell, nobody has named who at univeristy college london threatened to fire Tim Hunt if he didn't resign
1181129;1435600022;mircea_popescu;must be denied, this shield./
1181130;1435600121;mircea_popescu;"So began an extraordinary course of events that saw her tweet shared more than 600 times, kick-starting a viral scandal which resulted in the 72-year-old academic"
1181131;1435600126;mircea_popescu;six HUNDRED times ?!
1181132;1435600129;mircea_popescu;dude gtfo.
1181133;1435600232;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181115 << are they gonna take everyone's money again ?
1181134;1435600232;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 16:38:45; punkman: in other news, banks closed, 60eur/day limit on ATMs
1181135;1435600239;mircea_popescu;or wait, the original was cyprus i think
1181136;1435600534;punkman; are they gonna take everyone's money again ? < one way or another
1181137;1435600617;mircea_popescu;so are you buying cretan hoes for btc ?
1181138;1435600637;punkman;not yet
1181139;1435600648;punkman;if anyone's selling BTC, I probably know a few people
1181140;1435600649;mod6;cruddy hoes > *
1181141;1435600760;mircea_popescu;punkman and how would a few people pay ?!
1181142;1435600880;punkman;cash or other arrangement
1181143;1435600971;mircea_popescu;cahs in greece ?!
1181144;1435601077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.00047205 = 33.9404 BTC [+] {2} 
1181145;1435601138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00047629 = 2.9292 BTC [+]
1181146;1435601399;mircea_popescu;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/major-spike-localbitcoins-trading-activity-due-scams-fraud/ <<< ahahaha at this bullshit.
1181147;1435601400;assbot;Major Spike In LocalBitcoins Trading Activity Could Be Due To Scams & Fraud - CCN: Financial Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LypsVO )
1181148;1435601420;mircea_popescu;i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day
1181149;1435601467;mircea_popescu;but the latest comer to "we're a website, we print numbers" side of "financial services" is nevertheless amusing.
1181150;1435601482;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1181151;1435601510;ascii_field;anybody else (including mircea_popescu) compare their block hashes with those posted last night ?
1181152;1435601525;mircea_popescu;ascii_field actually, i've been playing eulora.
1181153;1435601531;mircea_popescu;fucking love that thing.
1181154;1435601535;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180989 << if anyone missed
1181155;1435601535;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 04:51:04; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig
1181156;1435601537;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: neato
1181157;1435601554;mircea_popescu;give it a spin sometime, it's absolutely fantastico economic-wise.
1181158;1435601586;*;ascii_field would love to, but would have to buy a gpu card, cobble together a box to put it in... and, on top of it all, a 27th hour on the clock
1181159;1435601622;mircea_popescu;well maybe later.
1181160;1435601687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00047629 = 20.1947 BTC [+]
1181161;1435601735;mircea_popescu;o.O
1181162;1435601741;mircea_popescu;we can has 5 yes ?
1181163;1435601765;ascii_field;5?
1181164;1435601800;mircea_popescu;@ 0.00047629
1181165;1435601887;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: last night i noticed that 'eatblock' is kinda already implemented: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#1780
1181166;1435601888;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1LyqhxM )
1181167;1435601967;ascii_field;so the ancient dream of 'sync over netcat' is theoretically doable now.
1181168;1435602235;shinohai;O.o sync over nc ?!?
1181169;1435602244;ascii_field;shinohai: aha
1181170;1435602269;*;shinohai likes how ascii_field thinks ....
1181171;1435602315;ascii_field;http://linux.die.net/man/1/nc << for anyone unfamiliar with that jewel of a util
1181172;1435602316;assbot;nc(1): arbitrary TCP/UDP connections/listens - Linux man page ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIo0tn )
1181173;1435602332;ascii_field;http://nc110.sourceforge.net << long-form docs
1181174;1435602333;assbot;Netcat: the TCP/IP swiss army ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIo4t0 )
1181175;1435603151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220700 @ 0.00047068 = 103.8791 BTC [-] {2} 
1181176;1435603447;mod6;!up assbot
1181177;1435603451;mod6;!up ascii_field
1181178;1435604310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00047631 = 17.8616 BTC [+] {2} 
1181179;1435604737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0004675 = 1.496 BTC [-]
1181180;1435604896;trinque;https://github.com/redline6561/coleslaw << NO! what the fuck?!
1181181;1435604901;assbot;redline6561/coleslaw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BRqidU )
1181182;1435604919;trinque;has s-exps in his hand, invents alternate syntax for encoding the "metadata" of pages
1181183;1435605469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112378 @ 0.00047914 = 53.8448 BTC [+] {3} 
1181184;1435605681;shinohai;I was musing bout bitcoind under a very tiny platform like busybox and found this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000083.html
1181185;1435605682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BRrP3r )
1181186;1435605756;mircea_popescu;aha.
1181187;1435605769;trinque;shinohai: heh! I've run into ascii_field's posts around the net plenty of times on common lisp quest too
1181188;1435605908;shinohai;;;ticker
1181189;1435605909;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.64, Best ask: 254.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 254.64, 24 hour volume: 32004.86437883, 24 hour low: 247.25, 24 hour high: 257.48, 24 hour vwap: None
1181190;1435606501;scoopbot_revived;The Chicken Scribblin' Kronicles - A Look Under Eulora's Short and Knee-Length Future http://trilema.com/2015/the-chicken-scribblin-kronicles-a-look-under-euloras-short-and-knee-length-future/
1181191;1435606780;mats;i wonder who's next -- .it?
1181192;1435606802;mircea_popescu;some pig or other
1181193;1435607703;BingoBoingo;Stator built bitcoind now has sufficient peers found it gets connections when seeds specified through "addnode" are offline
1181194;1435608017;davout;i need to sink some time into building stator bitcoind for the pogo
1181195;1435608104;BingoBoingo;decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181090 << You could give this one a go
1181196;1435608104;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 15:56:25; decimation: cazalla, BingoBoingo:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html < could make a good qntra story
1181197;1435608248;mircea_popescu;word.
1181198;1435608772;trinque;"unreconstructed" << unbanked, unequal, unenlightened, unsaved
1181199;1435608810;trinque;thingify the anti-thing, then hide the thing it anti-ed
1181200;1435608872;mircea_popescu;unt is the best in this line.
1181201;1435608875;mircea_popescu;butter in romanian.
1181202;1435608888;mircea_popescu;nobody even remembers what the t was originally.
1181203;1435608915;trinque;lawl
1181204;1435609054;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1181205;1435609064;ascii_field;davout: 'stator for pogo' is just the old 'portatronic'
1181206;1435609087;ascii_field;davout: you may have noticed that i recycled 95% of the build script from the latter
1181207;1435609116;davout;ascii_field: from what i understand having buildroot + bitcoind required being able to make a static build, right?
1181208;1435609128;ascii_field;davout: buildroot uses uclibc
1181209;1435609163;davout;but it wasn't possible before because of the dynmic dns glibc crap or do i misunderstand something here?
1181210;1435609178;ascii_field;well, previously bitcoin ~actually invoked~ dns
1181211;1435609189;ascii_field;so it had to be provided somehow
1181212;1435609191;ascii_field;now - no
1181213;1435609210;davout;and that dns stuff works with uclibc?
1181214;1435609237;ascii_field;davout: there is no longer any invocation of dns (in my set)
1181215;1435609252;ascii_field;thing even builds statically with glibc
1181216;1435609257;ascii_field;but the 'gconv' retardation remains
1181217;1435609269;ascii_field;and apparently the only way to remove it is to build glibc from scratch and link against it
1181218;1435609283;ascii_field;which, in practice, requires a whole toolchain built against the custom glibc
1181219;1435609288;ascii_field;which may as well be uclibc!
1181220;1435609313;davout;and that was possible before? before the removal of dns crud?
1181221;1435609338;mircea_popescu;no ?
1181222;1435609346;ascii_field;not really. if you invoke dns at all in a glibc proggy, you get the libnss idiocy
1181223;1435609349;ascii_field;automagically
1181224;1435609422;mod6;oh btw, here's a snippit of my bitcoin compile of the full stator: http://dpaste.com/0VMQTY8.txt
1181225;1435609424;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3sdSW )
1181226;1435609495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00048264 = 27.4622 BTC [+]
1181227;1435609527;ascii_field;mod6: looks quite like mine
1181228;1435609580;ascii_field;anyway, if this thing is to be ran in background on various folks' boxes, it really has to be dedrepperized
1181229;1435609585;mod6;ahh, ok. just wanted you to peek at that end with those boost warnings with getaddrinfo
1181230;1435609595;ascii_field;mod6: we aren't ever calling getaddrinfo
1181231;1435609601;ascii_field;so it doesn't matter if the thing is a stub
1181232;1435609608;mod6;*nod* sounds good
1181233;1435609617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194413 @ 0.00046692 = 90.7753 BTC [-] {3} 
1181234;1435609643;ascii_field;but this thing isn't battlefield-ready until gconv is shot
1181235;1435609678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59387 @ 0.00044921 = 26.6772 BTC [-]
1181236;1435609807;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ulrichdrepper << mega-l0l
1181237;1435609809;assbot;Ulrich Drepper | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3tjOo )
1181238;1435610118;ascii_field;and... https://twitter.com/drepperquotes
1181239;1435610119;assbot;Not Ulrich Drepper (@drepperquotes) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3u4qR )
1181240;1435610324;ascii_field;'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development.  He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him.  This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly.  In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering committee" (SC).
1181241;1435610324;ascii_field;The SC is different from the SC in projects like gcc in that it does not make decisions.  On this front nothing changed.  The only difference is that Stallman now has no right to complain anymore since the SC he wanted acknowledged the status quo.  I hope he will now shut up forever.'
1181242;1435610338;ascii_field;(drepper. https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-announce/2001/msg00000.html )
1181243;1435610339;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3uJsn )
1181244;1435610348;ascii_field;^ re: the 'did rms know' thread of a few days ago
1181245;1435610837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99617 @ 0.00048508 = 48.3222 BTC [+] {2} 
1181246;1435610927;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1181247;1435610952;ascii_field;anybody try 'dietlibc' ? >> http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc
1181248;1435610953;assbot;diet libc - a libc optimized for small size ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3wFkD )
1181249;1435611203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00046688 = 10.2947 BTC [-]
1181250;1435612963;trinque;because there needed to be a /var/etc, that's why.
1181251;1435613001;trinque;the filesystem hierarchy standard is as lulzy as TLDs
1181252;1435613201;trinque;oh actually on linux it's /var/lib/misc for what I was trying to find... even better
1181253;1435613239;punkman;not really a standard
1181254;1435613251;punkman;lulzy differences between distros
1181255;1435613259;trinque;insofar as the LSB thing took
1181256;1435613262;trinque;I guess
1181257;1435613618;kakobrekla;https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund lulz
1181258;1435613620;assbot;Greek Bailout Fund | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlrMON )
1181259;1435613643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00047145 = 13.8842 BTC [+]
1181260;1435614221;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1179154 << Done. It -should- spit out a link to teh actual URL now instead of just the RSS feed
1181261;1435614221;assbot;Logged on 27-06-2015 19:58:44; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can haz the url of phuctored key preserved in bot ? ty
1181262;1435614260;lobbes;mircea_popescu: this will apply for #eulora too
1181263;1435614985;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/iOQx5Gz.jpg
1181264;1435614986;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1efjfkc )
1181265;1435615031;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181148 <<< i'll need to confirm this with the embassy
1181266;1435615031;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 18:10:20; mircea_popescu: i can affirm under oath that the whole argentina btc market is under 10 btc / day
1181267;1435615035;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Win
1181268;1435616060;mod6;ascii_field: ok, so there is a way to signal to the dot graph utility to build a graph in a given direction.  the default seems to be R->L, and there are only 3 given options: RL, LR, or BT.  And if you give it no directional option, it seems to do Top->Bottom which is what we want I think.  This thing is quite customizable actually.
1181269;1435616080;mod6;I haven't quited figured out yet how to make this happen.. but there is a way to do this, somehow.
1181270;1435616089;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1181271;1435616093;ascii_field;mod6: neat!
1181272;1435616266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250850 @ 0.00045777 = 114.8316 BTC [-] {4} 
1181273;1435616874;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform ascii_field: ProcessBlock should probably not do that thing where it refuses to import already-seen blocks, instead it should obey its master and snarf up whatever
1181274;1435617318;ben_vulpes;this does make for an interesting question of what to do with the chain after an interstitial block has been snarfed - reverify everything? do nothing?
1181275;1435617582;mod6;ok this can be done, one must turn off DOT_CLEANUP then do some scripting to iterate through all of the .dot files created and then sed the rankdir out of the config.
1181276;1435617606;mod6;but.. problem is, these aren't much better top to bottom than left to right, they're still gonna be pretty wide.
1181277;1435617622;mod6;lot more config would be required to get them narrow enough to be "nice"
1181278;1435617629;mod6;i'll come back to this later.
1181279;1435617640;mod6;at least it can be manipualted
1181280;1435617655;decimation;mod6: are you trying to make a 'dot' graph of the blockchain?
1181281;1435617728;ben_vulpes;decimation: the bitcoind sources
1181282;1435617793;mod6;ah yeah this ^
1181283;1435617852;decimation;ah
1181284;1435617861;decimation;but, are you displaying call graphs?
1181285;1435617864;decimation;or how data is processed?
1181286;1435617886;mod6;ya call graphs
1181287;1435617890;decimation;in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled
1181288;1435617902;mod6;take a look through here if you like: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/
1181289;1435617903;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1efmWXf )
1181290;1435617913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134150 @ 0.00047673 = 63.9533 BTC [+] {4} 
1181291;1435617944;mod6;decimation: ah, well, once i get this sorted out, maybe I can do something about that part too.
1181292;1435617962;decimation;in some ways, the code is 'easier' to read with all of the macros in one spot
1181293;1435617979;decimation;but in another way (ie unwinding call graphs) it would be 'easier' if the preprocessor macros were unwound
1181294;1435618329;BingoBoingo;Too Much Beetus Juice to carry https://i.imgur.com/yfTyF44.jpg
1181295;1435618330;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HugJEa )
1181296;1435618485;ben_vulpes;ahahahaha
1181297;1435618550;cazalla;what is that BingoBoingo ?
1181298;1435618578;BingoBoingo;cazalla: It's refillable mega sized gas station mugs on a handcart.
1181299;1435618603;cazalla;but what is the drink?
1181300;1435618657;BingoBoingo;Can't tell
1181301;1435618684;cazalla;looks like protein powder, mebe they're getting their exercise on ya fat shamer (hater)
1181302;1435618753;BingoBoingo;No, some of the gas station mugs share that similar shape and coloration
1181303;1435618886;ben_vulpes;Big Gulp â„¢
1181304;1435619228;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis Model T: "i am a beta fuck"-mobile. thoughts?
1181305;1435619229;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1181306;1435619247;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski hypothesis re: model t, i suppose would be better
1181307;1435619248;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1181308;1435620109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.0004864 = 35.3126 BTC [+] {4} 
1181309;1435620421;mod6;ok actualy, those graphs dont looks as bad as I had thought.
1181310;1435620449;mod6;i think maybe they should go the other direction tho?  so anyway, I'm gonna put up a temp/test dir so you guys can take a look
1181311;1435620473;mod6;i've orientated them Top->Bottom "TB"
1181312;1435620528;mod6;out of like 1600 odd graphs, only ~1450 actually have a config with the standard directional line in there "rankdir"
1181313;1435620537;mod6;so.. there's like a bunch that might still go another directoin
1181314;1435620611;mod6;1487 i guess
1181315;1435620893;mod6;alright, try it out here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/
1181316;1435620894;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRyhI7 )
1181317;1435620904;mod6;asciilifeform && ascii_field ^^
1181318;1435621007;mod6;i should add that i can make these SVG graphs too, if that seems like it might be somehow better
1181319;1435621061;ben_vulpes;http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/net_8cpp.html << aha this is great
1181320;1435621062;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: bitcoin/src/net.cpp File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoRLFh )
1181321;1435621097;ben_vulpes;i wonder what red/black/grey boxes around the files mean.
1181322;1435621352;mod6;www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/diagrams.html << check out the section about half way down that says "elements in the graphs generated by the dot tool have the following meaning:"
1181323;1435621389;ben_vulpes;you can tell me to rtfm my feels won't get all hurt :P
1181324;1435621429;mod6;this thing's documentation is kinda spotty, ironically
1181325;1435621599;scoopbot_revived;Audible's app is another symptom of the Update-Upgrade Disease. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/29/audibles-app-is-another-symptom-of-the-update-upgrade-disease/
1181326;1435621673;ben_vulpes;ah they're probably deprecating some old api, pete_dushenski
1181327;1435622066;decimation;ideally it would be nice to have call graphs that trace the movement of data
1181328;1435622080;ben_vulpes;there's about a mile of difference between an 'app' that does god-knows-what on your iPnohe and a piece of code that...can be inspected.
1181329;1435622089;ben_vulpes;!up tcrypt
1181330;1435622091;ben_vulpes;allo
1181331;1435622093;ben_vulpes;who're you?
1181332;1435622108;ben_vulpes;decimation: d'you know of anything that does that?
1181333;1435622125;decimation;man I think I remember seeing automated call graph code
1181334;1435622177;ben_vulpes;tcrypt: syn
1181335;1435622192;decimation;I don't see any graphs on that doxygen/test page
1181336;1435622229;decimation;maybe codeviz does it? http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/projects/codeviz/
1181337;1435622230;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoSZQI )
1181338;1435622268;tcrypt;ben_vulpes: sorry, was the "who're you?" directed toward me?  I'm just a dude interested in assets on the blockchain
1181339;1435622272;tcrypt;seemed like a good channel to join
1181340;1435622304;ben_vulpes;!s colored coins
1181341;1435622305;assbot;137 results for 'colored coins' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=colored+coins
1181342;1435622313;ben_vulpes;there's your research task for showing up
1181343;1435622320;ben_vulpes;la serenissima runs on deficits :P
1181344;1435622376;decimation;!s crypto-enthusiast
1181345;1435622376;assbot;1 results for 'crypto-enthusiast' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crypto-enthusiast
1181346;1435622387;ben_vulpes;!s crypto enthusiast
1181347;1435622388;assbot;2 results for 'crypto enthusiast' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crypto+enthusiast
1181348;1435622393;decimation;hehe
1181349;1435622409;trinque;!s I'm just a dude
1181350;1435622410;assbot;7 results for 'I'm just a dude' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=I%27m+just+a+dude
1181351;1435622420;decimation;"crypto fan"
1181352;1435622423;decimation;!s "crypto fan"
1181353;1435622423;assbot;1 results for '"crypto fan"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22crypto+fan%22
1181354;1435622669;decimation;From Taleb: "In one of the rare noncharlatanic books in finance, descriptively called What I Learned Losing a Million Dollars, the protagonist makes a big discovery. He remarks that a fellow named Joe Siegel, one of the most successful traders in a commodity called ?green lumber,? actually thought that it was lumber painted green (rather than freshly cut lumber, called green because it had not been dried). And he made it his professio
1181355;1435622755;decimation;"Every intelligent person in socioeconomics had his theory, probabilities, scenarios,
1181356;1435622774;decimation;and all that. Except Fat Tony. ... All he knew is that suckers exist. ... If you asked any intelligent ?analyst? or journalist at the time, he would have predicted a rise in the price of oil in the event of war. But that causal link was precisely what Tony could not take for granted. So he bet against it: they are all prepared for a rise in oil from war, so the price must have adjusted to it. "
1181357;1435622803;decimation;Thus, one can be a crypto-enthusiast and yet have no idea how bitcoin trading works
1181358;1435622815;decimation;or how to name a single pubkey algo
1181359;1435623056;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts.
1181360;1435623075;mircea_popescu;;;later tell diana_coman actually they'd be vaginal pears, but yeah.
1181361;1435623075;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1181362;1435623109;mircea_popescu;!up coalbe
1181363;1435623172;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << myeah.
1181364;1435623172;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 20:38:44; ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development.  He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him.  This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly.  In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering c
1181365;1435623179;decimation;"State police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico says agents told Matt to put up his hands. He says Matt "was shot when he didn't comply.""
1181366;1435623217;decimation;I'm not really complaining if the new policy is to just summarily execute outlaws, but who gets to decide the list of outlaws?
1181367;1435623222;mircea_popescu;me.
1181368;1435623249;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181262 << cool beans!
1181369;1435623249;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 21:44:20; lobbes: mircea_popescu: this will apply for #eulora too
1181370;1435623306;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181287 << yes.
1181371;1435623306;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 22:44:50; decimation: in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled
1181372;1435623326;mircea_popescu;somehow i suspect spider queen alf has this very fly entangled somewhere and has been salivating over for x time :D
1181373;1435623380;mircea_popescu;and in other news : the bitcoin chamber of commerce is shifting activities a little. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m27z7384r01rqgaeyo1_1280.jpg
1181374;1435623380;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHSEoa )
1181375;1435623465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00045483 = 25.7434 BTC [-]
1181376;1435623548;decimation;maybe she is a crypto-enthusiast too
1181377;1435623595;mircea_popescu;clearly ahead of the reddit curve in any sense
1181378;1435623809;decimation;ben_vulpes: http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/cl-manual.html < valgrind has a gadget for callgraph creation too
1181379;1435623809;assbot;Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHTH7i )
1181380;1435623879;decimation;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9279144/interpreting-callgrind-data < apparently gprof2dot can shit a dot output
1181381;1435623881;assbot;valgrind - Interpreting callgrind data - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHTQrD )
1181382;1435624027;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181315 << very spiffy
1181383;1435624027;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 23:34:53; mod6: alright, try it out here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/test/
1181384;1435624047;*;asciilifeform a bit biased, as he uses vertical displays
1181385;1435624057;mircea_popescu;spiffy indeed
1181386;1435624070;mod6;i have only horiz displays, and it looks way better for me too
1181387;1435624131;mod6;decimation: thanks for the heads up on callgrind call graphs -- if IgProf (instead of gprof) can do that also, i'll definately build some when I finally get to those profiles.
1181388;1435624200;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181273 << this sounds like a terrifyingly bad idea: if i run sync after mircea_popescu plugs his node back in, and end up with conflicting blocks, the very last thing i want is for it to silently 'fix'
1181389;1435624200;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 22:27:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform ascii_field: ProcessBlock should probably not do that thing where it refuses to import already-seen blocks, instead it should obey its master and snarf up whatever
1181390;1435624207;mod6;Since we all seem to like the Top->Bottom graphs better, I'll re-generate & post them possibly tonight.  tomorrow at latest.  i've still got about 30% left of SoBA to finish first.
1181391;1435624220;mike_c;http://trilema.com/2015/the-actual-state-of-the-bitcoin-network/#footnote_1_62404
1181392;1435624221;assbot;The actual state of the Bitcoin network on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlOEOo )
1181393;1435624242;mike_c;mircea_popescu: You left us hanging there!  Since it's missing, I must know what those points of interest are :)
1181394;1435624306;mike_c;maybe this is why I hate footnotes more than most.  most don't read them?
1181395;1435624327;*;asciilifeform not only reads, but sometimes starts with footnotes
1181396;1435624329;mike_c;goddamn "must complete" gene
1181397;1435624358;mike_c;starts? :)  that must be confusing
1181398;1435624412;asciilifeform;nah
1181399;1435624518;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181371 << almost inevitably the result of this simple experiment is quite unreadable. anyone who wants to try is welcome to: gcc -E
1181400;1435624518;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:15:06; assbot: Logged on 29-06-2015 22:44:50; decimation: in this vein, it might be useful to create a version of the bitcoind source with all the C preprocessor directives unrolled
1181401;1435624567;asciilifeform;afaik gcc does not support multiple ~levels~ of macro expansion (these are braindamaged c macros after all, not a lisp macro system with actual control over evaluation)
1181402;1435624713;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181363 << even if rms no longer writes (and i'm informed that this may be the case in recent years) he is still tremendously useful as a 'fire magnet' for shitgnomes
1181403;1435624713;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:12:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181240 << myeah.
1181404;1435624722;asciilifeform;they can't resist
1181405;1435624743;asciilifeform;and thereby reveal their position
1181406;1435624806;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181387 << my igprof patch for therealbitcoin is almost certainly b0rked by the 'dumpblock' addition. but fixing it ought to be trivial - good project for any of the less-experienced folks here
1181407;1435624806;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:28:51; mod6: decimation: thanks for the heads up on callgrind call graphs -- if IgProf (instead of gprof) can do that also, i'll definately build some when I finally get to those profiles.
1181408;1435624849;asciilifeform;(easiest method is to actually understand the changes, as one ought to in any case, and re-apply them by hand, then produce new patch)
1181409;1435624880;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181360 << l0l, must've missed that thread!
1181410;1435624880;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:11:15; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell diana_coman actually they'd be vaginal pears, but yeah.
1181411;1435624920;asciilifeform;(but i distinctly recall a 'pear' thread ages ago, where somebody pointed out that the two types can be distinguished by the presence of 'cervix pliers' on the business end)
1181412;1435625059;asciilifeform;http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/29/flibusta << mega-l0l. ru dept. of net censorship blocks ~the~ w4r3z library, but not for just anything, but for hosting... bradbury's '451 fahrenheit' !
1181413;1435625060;assbot;Онлайн-библиотеку наказали за роман «451 граду� по Фаренгейту»: Интернет: Интернет и СМИ: Lenta.ru ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHWMEB )
1181414;1435625590;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181365 << my understanding is that this is sop in usa when the escapee is considered 'armed and dangerous' (tm)
1181415;1435625590;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:12:59; decimation: "State police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico says agents told Matt to put up his hands. He says Matt "was shot when he didn't comply.""
1181416;1435625595;asciilifeform;esp. if no witnesses
1181417;1435625659;asciilifeform;the presumption is that a fella who is facing a return to life in hard prison might have an arse grenade, etc., or otherwise disinclined to 'go quietly'
1181418;1435625729;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181377 << my current understanding is that the blackout in 'reddit' et al. re: therealbitcoin is more or less total.
1181419;1435625729;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 00:19:55; mircea_popescu: clearly ahead of the reddit curve in any sense
1181420;1435625765;asciilifeform;(if anyone here is a regular reader of these snakepits and knows of evidence to the contrary, it would be interesting to see it)
1181421;1435628664;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1181422;1435628669;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
1181423;1435628670;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000105.html
1181424;1435628671;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq5rRK )
1181425;1435628677;asciilifeform;'(EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Eater'
1181426;1435628728;asciilifeform;(before anyone asks: doesn't require the weird asciification that using 'getmemorypool' to import blocks would)
1181427;1435628750;asciilifeform;quoting from the ml msg,
1181428;1435628757;asciilifeform;'Using 'dumpblock' and 'eatblock', it is now possible to move blockchains around via various direct channels (e.g., pigeon.)'
1181429;1435629090;asciilifeform;now whoever dares, can ask a node to crap out blocks n ... n+k, pgp-sign, bring them to node having blocks j ... n-1, and 'feed' them to it.
1181430;1435629321;decimation;re: armed and dangerous < I guess.  http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29419491/one-of-two-escaped-murderers-from-new-york-prison-shot
1181431;1435629322;assbot;Officers search for New York escapee Sweat - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq5XiT )
1181432;1435629329;decimation;"Authorities have warned from the start that the pair of fugitives might get their hands on guns. Matt did. And it may have been his undoing at that moment. Matt didn't shoot, but he also didn't comply with officers' order, so they opened fire."
1181433;1435629373;decimation;""We recovered a 20-gauge shotgun from Matt's body at the location," said D'Amico." < of course
1181434;1435629631;decimation;http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2015/06/29/woman-knocked-unconscious-at-parade-by-falling-drone/ < lolz "A 25-year-old woman was knocked unconscious Sunday after she was struck by a small drone aircraft while attending the Pride parade in downtown Seattle."
1181435;1435629632;assbot;Woman Knocked Unconscious At Parade By Falling Drone ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq6jGa )
1181436;1435629647;decimation;"At the scene, one the victim?s friends handed over the damaged drone?which retails for about $1200 and weighs about 2 pounds?and provided photographs of a man, who may have been piloting the aircraft."
1181437;1435629666;decimation;I wonder if it is now sop to summarily execute drone pilots too
1181438;1435631530;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: in case this was not clear, it is now possible for the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests of therealbitcoin (memory consumption, etc) by denying a node a net connection and syncing from disk using 'eatblock'.
1181439;1435631581;asciilifeform;this will also shed some light on the effect of the mempool on resource consumption...
1181440;1435631590;mircea_popescu;pretty epic all this shit.
1181441;1435631593;mircea_popescu;best week of bitcoin.
1181442;1435631597;asciilifeform;l0l
1181443;1435631600;asciilifeform;pretty basic
1181444;1435631604;mircea_popescu;yes.
1181445;1435631698;asciilifeform;http://kryptoradio.koodilehto.fi << via Vexual
1181446;1435631699;assbot;Kryptoradio by Koodilehto ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4pfO3 )
1181447;1435631755;asciilifeform;will be interesting to compare their blocks with ours.
1181448;1435631776;decimation;why the gay rainbow bitcoin logo
1181449;1435631799;asciilifeform;could be the apple-II rainbow
1181450;1435631802;asciilifeform;or the rain rainbow
1181451;1435631808;decimation;heh
1181452;1435631824;asciilifeform;or even the commodore-64 rainbow.
1181453;1435631830;decimation;"QSL cards" are customary in ham radio circles; a postcard is sent to acknowledge contact
1181454;1435631972;decimation;asciilifeform: actually it might be mildly interesting to know how they are 'serializing' the blocks
1181455;1435631980;decimation;did the also implant parasite into bitcoind?
1181456;1435632026;asciilifeform;i'll laugh to death if it's from 'blockchain.info' or the like
1181457;1435632185;mod6;asciilifeform: re: ... the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests ... << yeah this is great!
1181458;1435632221;asciilifeform;mod6: i, for one, am rather curious whether we still get 200M+ footprint when there is ~no~ mempool
1181459;1435632231;asciilifeform;(on a netless node)
1181460;1435632260;decimation;actually it looks like the fins wrote a C client for bitcoin protocol https://github.com/koodilehto/kryptoradio/tree/master/data_sources/bitcoin/src
1181461;1435632262;assbot;kryptoradio/data_sources/bitcoin/src at master · koodilehto/kryptoradio · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4qCfv )
1181462;1435632299;*;asciilifeform actually wrote something not unlike ^ a few yrs ago
1181463;1435632311;asciilifeform;for an entirely unrelated and - today - uninteresting - purpose
1181464;1435632431;decimation;what purpose?
1181465;1435632447;asciilifeform;blockchain telegraphy
1181466;1435632465;decimation;hehe
1181467;1435632739;asciilifeform;it is now also possible to elementarily ferret out certain kinds of leaks - e.g., does importing the same bastard block ten thousand times result in an increase in ram footprint ? if so, we have leak
1181468;1435632770;asciilifeform;and whatever test (igprof, etc) can now be carried out stepwise (that is, after each added block)
1181469;1435632786;asciilifeform;i will leave the possible variations on this theme to the alert reader.
1181470;1435633171;decimation;asciilifeform: did you try the feed block thing
1181471;1435634020;decimation;http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~pes20/cerberus/notes50-2015-05-24-survey-discussion.html < C horribles
1181472;1435634021;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dtJOS2 )
1181473;1435634168;asciilifeform;decimation: i just now wrote the patch, l0l
1181474;1435634174;asciilifeform;when would i have tried
1181475;1435634201;decimation;"If you calculate an offset between two separately allocated C memory objects (e.g. malloc'd regions or global or local variables) by pointer subtraction, can you make a usable pointer to the second by adding the offset to the address of the first?"
1181476;1435634221;decimation;asciilifeform: it seems like a clever script could stuff into bitcoind 'as is'
1181477;1435634251;asciilifeform;decimation: sure
1181478;1435634258;asciilifeform;decimation: by emulating a node, etc
1181479;1435634260;asciilifeform;but why.
1181480;1435634271;decimation;yeah, patch is better, agreed
1181481;1435634276;asciilifeform;(who wants, can write this. i've no strong desire to)
1181482;1435634380;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181475 << this is not even the worst known abuse. one book (forget whose) actually suggested 'just in time compilation' on arbitrary (!) machines by snarfing up binary routines from function pointers and memcpying them into a buffer, then (*foo)()-ing in...
1181483;1435634380;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 03:16:41; decimation: "If you calculate an offset between two separately allocated C memory objects (e.g. malloc'd regions or global or local variables) by pointer subtraction, can you make a usable pointer to the second by adding the offset to the address of the first?"
1181484;1435634453;asciilifeform;this has all the appeal of the russian prison teapot (consisting of a mug, two nails, and a mains socket)
1181485;1435634458;asciilifeform;but hey, 'it works!!111!!1111'
1181486;1435634471;decimation;heh "Can you make a usable copy of a pointer by copying its representation bytes with code that indirectly computes the identity function on them, e.g. writing the pointer value to a file and then reading it back, and using compression or encryption on the way?"
1181487;1435634480;decimation;^ kinda what you said
1181488;1435634515;decimation;"I've written code for a JIT that stores 64-bit virtual ptrs as their hardware based 48-bits. This is a valuable optimisation, even if it's not strictly OK. (anon)"
1181489;1435634546;decimation;good lord, how much software that people use every day is written like this?
1181490;1435634553;asciilifeform;100% ?
1181491;1435634590;decimation;"You can go much stronger than that. Many security mitigation techniques rely on being able to XOR a pointer with one or more values and recover the pointer later by again XORing with one or more possible different values, (whose total XOR is the same as the original set). (Richard Black)"
1181492;1435634603;decimation;lol who are you hiding from? eax?
1181493;1435634624;asciilifeform;they are hiding from... me & colleagues
1181494;1435634633;asciilifeform;and l0l, it doesn't work terribly well.
1181495;1435634802;asciilifeform;'On PICs and MCS51s, the two objects could actually be in different data spaces (e.g. RAM vs flash memory).' << correct. at least for the pic16xxx series, which i've used for many years. it is called 'harvard architecture'
1181496;1435634813;asciilifeform;used to be fairly common on micros
1181497;1435634822;asciilifeform;(the starvation-cheap kind)
1181498;1435634876;asciilifeform;pic16f84, my favourite when i was a schoolboy, has 8-bit data word but 14-bit code word, in entirely separate address spaces
1181499;1435634896;asciilifeform;physically had no way to 'jump into' data
1181500;1435634924;decimation;this has confused n00bs when you mention the 'von neumann' arch
1181501;1435634937;asciilifeform;(or, for that matter, refer to bits in code word unless such was designated as a 'return 8-bit constant' instruction)
1181502;1435634959;decimation;they think 'harvard' is better with respect to your 'bedrock' complaints
1181503;1435634963;asciilifeform;'von neumann arch' traditionally means simply the very idea of having separate devices called memory and cpu
1181504;1435634981;asciilifeform;where the latter is able to operate on a tiny portion of the former in any given operation
1181505;1435635017;asciilifeform;'harvard' is better in the same sense that it is better to be shot with a .22 than with a cannon
1181506;1435635025;decimation;heh
1181507;1435635046;decimation;at least it's concievable that you could point to the data and code ram chips
1181508;1435635171;asciilifeform;gotta love those prison kettles
1181509;1435635184;asciilifeform;that article ought to be required reading for shitgnomologists
1181510;1435635200;asciilifeform;there is no conceivable reason to ever be doing any of the things described therein
1181511;1435635223;asciilifeform;you can't even win 'underhanded c contest' with them. they're ~screamingly~ bad ideas.
1181512;1435635255;asciilifeform;and anyone who is found to be deploying such code, for whatever purpose, ought to answer for it
1181513;1435635342;decimation;'but it works'
1181514;1435635349;asciilifeform;until not.
1181515;1435635350;decimation;'you need to support our implementation'
1181516;1435635367;decimation;you can imagine how gcc writers would tire of that kind of bullshit
1181517;1435635525;mats;jurassic world was better than expected
1181518;1435635644;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181488 << this is doubly lulzy considering that i just pulled my dead tree 'amd x86-64 programmer's manual vol. 2' off the shelf, sept. '02 edition, and it defines 52 bits of valid pointer in 64-bit word...
1181519;1435635644;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 03:21:55; decimation: "I've written code for a JIT that stores 64-bit virtual ptrs as their hardware based 48-bits. This is a valuable optimisation, even if it's not strictly OK. (anon)"
1181520;1435635702;decimation;hehe
1181521;1435635727;asciilifeform;yes, you probably won't find anything past 40 or so bits soldered on your mainboard
1181522;1435635731;asciilifeform;but, there is the page table
1181523;1435636190;decimation;heh I didn't realize that x86-64 kept page table
1181524;1435636199;asciilifeform;of course it did
1181525;1435636204;asciilifeform;how else could you do the whole mmu thing
1181526;1435636209;asciilifeform;where each process thinks it owns the machine
1181527;1435636282;*;decimation doesn't do much assembly
1181528;1435636283;asciilifeform;~segmentation~, that grim old idiocy from the 16-bit 8086 days, gets disabled
1181529;1435636286;asciilifeform;(mostly)
1181530;1435636288;decimation;but in retrospect, makes sense
1181531;1435636301;decimation;I thought i386 added even more segmentation
1181532;1435636311;asciilifeform;speaking of 64-bit ('long') mode here
1181533;1435636331;asciilifeform;it is ~almost~ like a rationally-designed (e.g., 'alpha') cpu
1181534;1435636348;asciilifeform;this is not an accident; amd hired away most of the old dec team who built alpha
1181535;1435636375;decimation;^ also note intel was derping with itanic around then
1181536;1435636409;asciilifeform;no one ever really built a halfway decent compiler for 'vliw' machines (like itanic)
1181537;1435636973;asciilifeform;http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29430125/governor-puerto-rico-near-death-spiral
1181538;1435636974;assbot;Governor: Puerto Rico near 'death spiral' - NBC-2.com WBBH News for Fort Myers, Cape Coral & Naples, Florida ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4CkH8 )
1181539;1435637121;asciilifeform;if kim jong un had balls, perhaps he'd buy it.
1181540;1435637186;trinque;all that guy wants to do is drink hennesy and fuck bitches.
1181541;1435637278;asciilifeform;to be fair, pretty much everything we know about him comes from south kr (read: usg) mediatrons
1181542;1435637328;decimation;lolz as if puerto rico was anything other than a vassal of usg
1181543;1435637335;decimation;they can go into infinite usd debt
1181544;1435637358;asciilifeform;(e.g., the 'uncle fed to dogs' has since been seen, the gurlphriend beheaded for starring in pr0n has been appearing in public, the footballists 'shot for losing' are playing today...)
1181545;1435637398;asciilifeform;decimation: yes, can go into infinite debt; while usg uses the island for bomb practice
1181546;1435637408;asciilifeform;(the one and only purpose it serves)
1181547;1435637412;decimation;heh
1181548;1435637449;decimation;http://www.naturalnews.com/040671_Puerto_Rico_food_stamps_SNAP_program.html
1181549;1435637450;assbot;One-third of population of Puerto Rico now getting federal food stamps - NaturalNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1g4DD8X )
1181550;1435637478;asciilifeform;if they ever feel like having an actual economy (or simply switching 'sugar daddies') they know who to call
1181551;1435637480;asciilifeform;(or do they)
1181552;1435637510;decimation;my understanding is everyone who is worth a damn has already left
1181553;1435637529;decimation;the only people who 'do work' are cubans who are gonna move back when castro is kaput
1181554;1435637530;mats;hm, TIL USG shuttered USN base in puerto rico in 2000s
1181555;1435637555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 330 @ 0.00629999 = 2.079 BTC [-] {2} 
1181556;1435637566;asciilifeform;mats: interesting! did not know this.
1181557;1435637589;decimation;that doesn't mean they don't occasionally drop a bomb or two
1181558;1435637810;mats;https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eE28ONB3/
1181559;1435637811;assbot;Pastebin | IRCCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1ROoPa7 )
1181560;1435637834;mats;asciilifeform: got an idea? a question in ##re i am also curious about answer to
1181561;1435637845;BingoBoingo;<decimation> that doesn't mean they don't occasionally drop a bomb or two << Puerto Rico is basically USG brown people practice range
1181562;1435637851;asciilifeform;mats: if within bounds for relative jump, uses that
1181563;1435637866;mats;if not?
1181564;1435637870;asciilifeform;otherwise a decent compiler does multiple passes
1181565;1435637971;mats;ok, thought so
1181566;1435637978;mats;thx
1181567;1435637985;asciilifeform;http://x86.renejeschke.de/html/file_module_x86_id_147.html << 32-bit
1181568;1435637985;assbot;Shroud: x86 Instruction Set Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1ROpfxb )
1181569;1435638038;asciilifeform;note that 'long' (64) mode has no absolute far jump
1181570;1435638065;asciilifeform;or rather, has no such with immediate value
1181571;1435638076;asciilifeform;(you ~can~, e.g., 'jmp rax')
1181572;1435638105;asciilifeform;anyone for whom this question is a routine matter really ought to own the book
1181573;1435638112;asciilifeform;(mentioned earlier today)
1181574;1435638257;mats;ive been studying asm for months and i still feel as lost as my first day
1181575;1435638272;asciilifeform;mats: the only cure is to not only read but write
1181576;1435638275;asciilifeform;and experiment
1181577;1435638278;mats;like there's a superset of knowledge i'm missing
1181578;1435638361;asciilifeform;there are at least two sub-fields here - how the machine is put together; and, what idioms are common (i.e. what does a particular compiler crap out and why?)
1181579;1435638424;mats;alright
1181580;1435638531;asciilifeform;mats: some of the more interesting aspects are, as always, corner cases. e.g., how does x86-64 treat self-modifying code? how does this impact cache? can unpriv. ('ring 3') code learn cache state? (to some extent - always!) etc.
1181581;1435638833;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc
1181582;1435638833;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 04:12:09; decimation: the only people who 'do work' are cubans who are gonna move back when castro is kaput
1181583;1435638950;asciilifeform;i'm not certain that there ever was a ~less~ sympathetic bunch of dekulakized folks than the cuban 'refugees' in usa
1181584;1435638996;asciilifeform;(by some versions, these are the people who gave us... bush II)
1181585;1435639285;asciilifeform;hard to picture a sorrier bunch of bitter schmucks, eagerly taking it up the arse from history's biggest and most obscene communist mega-empire (usg) to spite their little piss-ant one
1181586;1435639490;*;mod6 is still going on this thing.
1181587;1435639494;mod6;getting close though
1181588;1435639506;mod6;lotta stuff this month!
1181589;1435640243;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point
1181590;1435640244;scoopbot_revived;CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman http://qntra.net/2015/06/cuny-keeps-bezzle-flowing-to-krugman/
1181591;1435640248;decimation;re: cubans
1181592;1435640300;decimation;they wanna give us bush III too
1181593;1435640364;trinque;I can think of another honorarium the republic might keep herr krugman in for entertainment purposes.
1181594;1435640431;BingoBoingo;Vending machine later
1181595;1435640450;trinque;I'm thinking a sort of dunking booth with better toys.
1181596;1435640548;BingoBoingo;But this is just another quicker example of documenting the kicks
1181597;1435640584;decimation;heh http://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe/
1181598;1435640584;assbot;Shiller PE Ratio ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmfAxj )
1181599;1435640607;decimation;S&P 500 price/earnings ratio is looking pretty toppy...
1181600;1435640664;trinque;decimation: currency crisis or gtfo
1181601;1435640672;decimation;!up Vexual
1181602;1435640685;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdcmM9T8vD4
1181603;1435640696;decimation;trinque: looks like the eu is trying to start one
1181604;1435640712;trinque;so tired of waiting for the horrible missteps of that which was once styled republic to incur their cost
1181605;1435640752;decimation;lol http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-30/uber-bonds-term-sheet-reveals-470-million-in-operating-losses < related
1181606;1435640753;assbot;Uber Bonds Term Sheet Reveals $470 Million in Operating Losses - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRPEIO )
1181607;1435640783;Vexual;bushIIIzadoozie
1181608;1435640848;Vexual;AIIB ftw
1181609;1435641176;punkman;http://curl.haxx.se/mail/lib-2015-06/0143.html
1181610;1435641177;assbot;Curl: [SECURITY NOTICE] libidn with bad UTF8 input ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kmggmm )
1181611;1435641517;Vexual;ubers greek?
1181612;1435641570;punkman;no, that's how "big in SV" works
1181613;1435641588;Vexual;sv?
1181614;1435641641;punkman;silicon valley
1181615;1435641703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00046059 = 26.8063 BTC [+] {2} 
1181616;1435641771;Vexual;tv here shows greeks complaining that germans don't understand greece
1181617;1435641786;mats;like a crack dealer doesn't understand a junkie
1181618;1435641815;punkman;german citizens about as clueless as the greeks
1181619;1435641833;Vexual;^
1181620;1435641929;decimation;germans have profited for years by loaning greeks eu dollars and then selling them shit to buy them back
1181621;1435641944;decimation;it's all just a stupid shell game
1181622;1435641951;mod6;Ok, just about done.  And that's jsut about all for me tonight.
1181623;1435642029;punkman;would you vote in a referendum?
1181624;1435642037;mod6;I did remove the original http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/ source code browser for the one that was in /test/ with the Top->Bottom graphs.
1181625;1435642038;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRQAgi )
1181626;1435642043;punkman;think I'm gonna stick to my "no voting" policy
1181627;1435642085;mod6;So that one should be fine now.  Tomorrow, I'll update the graphs in this one: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/
1181628;1435642086;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRQANi )
1181629;1435642130;decimation;punkman: what if the referendum were for ending the popular vote?
1181630;1435642152;mats;lol
1181631;1435642170;decimation;I would vote for it
1181632;1435642188;mats;i would question reality if this came to pass
1181633;1435642203;Vexual;you may have to
1181634;1435642274;decimation;mats: to believe it wouldn't pass is to believe that the voter places his own interest above that of the group
1181635;1435642444;decimation;which defeats the point of asking individuals to make a decision for the group
1181636;1435642505;decimation;!up Vexual
1181637;1435642620;Vexual;i don't vote, iv'e got email
1181638;1435642866;decimation;Vexual: compulsory voting is a contradiction.  like compulsory wealth.
1181639;1435642896;Vexual;indeed, noone must read my bullshit either
1181640;1435643024;Vexual;poor fuck who tried to exit usa just got busted in my neck of the woods
1181641;1435643041;Vexual;http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/american-tourist-found-after-five-years-missing-in-qld-20150629-gi0xh5.html
1181642;1435643061;Vexual;do not pass go
1181643;1435643102;decimation;did the local cops shoot on sight?
1181644;1435643157;Vexual;nah, but hes in custody and going home on an economy flight
1181645;1435643165;decimation;heh "A police spokesman said the officers were investigating an unrelated matter and did not know who he was, but Mr Rodman thought the police had come to arrest him and gave himself up."
1181646;1435643258;decimation;poor guy was obviously paranoid
1181647;1435643272;Vexual;obviously?
1181648;1435643301;Vexual;perhaps he was broke and homesick
1181649;1435643303;decimation;what's the point of 'escaping' to another country if you can't enjoy yourself
1181650;1435643374;Vexual;i wonder if he left and coin behind?
1181651;1435643431;decimation;go to queensland and search his hovel :)
1181652;1435643456;Vexual;im in queensland, can u link hovel?
1181653;1435643556;cazalla;Vexual, was prob a spy and his time was up
1181654;1435643600;Vexual;lol, everything is illegal here, but you you must confess on a bicycle to get caught
1181655;1435643651;decimation;they were probably looking for the bum that shit on the local picnic tables
1181656;1435643661;Vexual;lol
1181657;1435643666;decimation;fella had a guilty conscience
1181658;1435643677;Vexual;exactly
1181659;1435643715;decimation;cazalla: an american spy?  why would usg bother?
1181660;1435643721;cazalla;wonder how many seppos overstay their visa anyway
1181661;1435643734;decimation;I doubt there's anything australia knows that they wouldn't happily give away in exchange for coin
1181662;1435643735;Vexual;fuckin loads
1181663;1435643750;cazalla;decimation, was being facetious
1181664;1435643757;decimation;how's that marine base going
1181665;1435643777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94000 @ 0.00046393 = 43.6094 BTC [+] {2} 
1181666;1435643834;cazalla;decimation, which one? US has quite a few bases here now
1181667;1435643889;decimation;I guess I was thinking of the new one near darwin
1181668;1435643892;punkman;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/after-bitcoin-loan-goes-south-judge-rules-man-must-repay-over-67000/
1181669;1435643893;assbot;After Bitcoin loan goes south, judge rules man must repay over $67,000 | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrEaNt )
1181670;1435643897;cazalla;http://www.anti-bases.org/images/AustraliaUSAbases.gif (nfi how legit this map is but seeing it fits my narrative lol)
1181671;1435643900;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrEb3T )
1181672;1435643909;decimation;I think obama wanted to show china how serious he was back then
1181673;1435643974;cazalla;one day hopefully can do some urbex at pinegap
1181674;1435643997;Vexual;lol
1181675;1435644051;decimation;lol seismic stations
1181676;1435644062;decimation;oh no, usg is gonna know how u shakin
1181677;1435644122;decimation;lots of countries in the world have anti-base posters like this in local language, yet more bases seem to be the order
1181678;1435644181;Vexual;https://www.douglasvanbossuyt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/IMG_27301.jpg <this for uberx cazalla?
1181679;1435644218;cazalla;nah, i'd be going on dirt bike tbh
1181680;1435644265;Vexual;good luck getting it okayed as a saloon car
1181681;1435644278;decimation;lol is that mad max
1181682;1435644319;Vexual;yeah pine gap shit
1181683;1435644365;cazalla;!up Vexual
1181684;1435644410;Vexual;cazalla might prefferent a z900 kawasaki, but they were for the baddies
1181685;1435644425;cazalla;wouldn't it be sick if this got over the line on the last day https://bitbet.us/bet/1135/btc-to-top-350-before-1st-july/
1181686;1435644426;assbot;BitBet -  BTC to top $350 before 1st July :: 7.39 B (10%) on Yes, 65.9 B (90%) on No | closed 2 weeks 6 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kqnbg1 )
1181687;1435644438;decimation;is it ticking up?
1181688;1435644440;decimation;;;ticker
1181689;1435644441;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.79, Best ask: 267.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 267.93, 24 hour volume: 43306.98643878, 24 hour low: 249.43, 24 hour high: 267.9, 24 hour vwap: None
1181690;1435644442;Vexual;no chance
1181691;1435644446;decimation;heh
1181692;1435644453;Vexual;ooh maybe
1181693;1435644480;Vexual;lol vulves corvette is now worth less
1181694;1435644507;Vexual;watch the unt give 0
1181695;1435644535;decimation;why outfit your mad max cruiser with that kind of tank?
1181696;1435644541;decimation;drive for 24 hours without refuel?
1181697;1435644547;Vexual;coz theres no servos
1181698;1435644558;Vexual;yep
1181699;1435644570;cazalla;who needs a servo Vexual when ya can carry a few tanks on a postie bike
1181700;1435644582;decimation;bike doesn't need much gas
1181701;1435644593;decimation;meanwhile your balls gonna fall off after hour 22
1181702;1435644628;Vexual;whats the range on a postie bike? 80km?
1181703;1435644647;Vexual;refuel is 2 hrs?
1181704;1435644687;cazalla;dunno but they go forever
1181705;1435644704;cazalla;durable too, i'll get through any aussie terrain
1181706;1435644705;Vexual;u owned 1?
1181707;1435644716;cazalla;nah but a mate did
1181708;1435644723;cazalla;i was gonna get one but got a zzr instead
1181709;1435644733;Vexual;yeah cunts boat em to asia to continue the journey
1181710;1435644762;Vexual;aweful beats that kwaka 250\
1181711;1435644775;Vexual;*beast
1181712;1435644852;Vexual;its called a ninja now and its detuned
1181713;1435645117;Vexual;sure its fast but the valves dont resond properly
1181714;1435645205;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwacyd9cqhQ
1181715;1435645358;Vexual;top flick
1181716;1435645607;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjDmPJc7fN4
1181717;1435646100;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE < shes dying
1181718;1435648560;punkman;cazalla, would qntra like an article on .gr capital controls?
1181719;1435648576;BingoBoingo;punkman: Do it
1181720;1435648584;cazalla;if you're familiar with the situation, sure
1181721;1435649407;BingoBoingo;punkman: If you can get it done before UTC rolls over into July you could still sneak in on the June statement
1181722;1435649708;BingoBoingo;*in meaning in time to get published
1181723;1435649721;BingoBoingo;But no rush
1181724;1435653246;cazalla;one for BingoBoingo https://youtu.be/1_XuwM844bY?t=1m52s
1181725;1435653247;assbot;Breaking Bias | Sarah Bramblette | TEDxNSU - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g5v5yD )
1181726;1435654340;BingoBoingo;God's sitting this one out
1181727;1435663448;shinohai;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/29/dogecoin_app_ftc/
1181728;1435663449;assbot;Chap slapped in Dogecoin crap app flap • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4zzzC )
1181729;1435665275;fluffypony;dat dogecoin
1181730;1435665818;shinohai;Surprising to me how long scams can stay afloat, and what people can build on top of them.
1181731;1435668757;lobbesbot;New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Raphael Randschau ; Raphael Nicolai Fabian Randschau (Uni Kiel) ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97CE2FE7747AC2CFA1531450412E093BC09E40955B7193BD37F377AE1FBD3645#4526599566CBC0905AF62AF3B6A23C1801277E6A086F645C00B8E978547C848A>
1181732;1435668760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 )
1181733;1435674252;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-care-and-feeding-of-financial-black.html << pretty fine orl0l re: greece
1181734;1435674253;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Care and Feeding of a Financial Black Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1egCDxc )
1181735;1435674350;asciilifeform;'...anyone who knows mathematics can see that the United States is on the verge of collapse because its debt has gone exponential. These aren't words that an American or a European politician can utter in public, and perhaps not even whisper to their significant other while lying in bed, because the American eavesdroppers might overhear them, and then the politician in question would get the Dominique Strauss-Kahn treatment...'
1181736;1435676039;decimation;asciilifeform: heh.  it's no secret the trouble they are all in, it's merely a matter of publically pretending otherwise - and getting the press to hop on board
1181737;1435677066;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what's the reasoning behind the -caneat flag?
1181738;1435677108;ben_vulpes;i don't think that it's *unnecessary* or anything, i'm just curious as to why it needs explicit enabling.
1181739;1435677121;ben_vulpes;curious why *you think* it needs explicit enabling.
1181740;1435677346;ben_vulpes;"filein >> block;" << this overloaded operator still baffles me.
1181741;1435678294;Jautenim;out-of-the-box auto.sh fails to install openssl on a cleanish x86-64 ubuntu 14.04
1181742;1435678311;Jautenim;but dpb's fix for the pogo also werks
1181743;1435678318;Jautenim;!s install_sw
1181744;1435678319;assbot;7 results for 'install_sw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=install_sw
1181745;1435678342;decimation;^ should be the default build now
1181746;1435678344;Jautenim;shall i submit a patch to the mailing list? it's quite a simple fix
1181747;1435678365;Jautenim;oh k, nevermind then
1181748;1435678371;decimation;background: openssl docs fail to generate properly, so install_sw should be used instead
1181749;1435678384;decimation;no I mean you are right, mod6/ben_vulpes should integrate that fix
1181750;1435678486;mod6;nubs submitted a patch for that -- it'll be fixed in the next milestone for sure.  thanks for the heads up Jautenim.
1181751;1435678508;Jautenim;any time :)
1181752;1435678614;mod6;that patch is here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html << this patch does a few other things too, might be worth a read through though to see how it aligns with what you had already done to your own local auto.sh.
1181753;1435678616;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKgFLd )
1181754;1435678732;scoopbot_revived;Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/30/climate-change-is-a-good-thing-not-the-apocalypse-mkay/
1181755;1435678754;mod6;[ the relivant part here anyway is the alterations to auto.sh ]
1181756;1435678828;Jautenim;yes. in fact i just s/make install/make install_sw on auto.sh
1181757;1435678845;Jautenim;but this patch don't seem to avoid the offending makefile directive, does it?
1181758;1435678921;Jautenim;from openssl-1.0.1g/Makefile -> install: all install_docs install_sw
1181759;1435678974;mod6;ah, ok yeah.
1181760;1435679004;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes well, the model t ain't no duesenberg if that's what you mean.
1181761;1435679005;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1181762;1435679048;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1181326 << myea. something thooper progressive like that.
1181763;1435679048;assbot;Logged on 29-06-2015 23:47:53; ben_vulpes: ah they're probably deprecating some old api, pete_dushenski
1181764;1435679048;mod6;Jautenim: sorry, I had it kinda mixed up.  The patch link I posted is to resolve the issue where the libs and headers don't get copied over.
1181765;1435679152;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180292 << this is a point. mebbe 1 share per picture ? mebbe 10 ? mebbe 0. i kinda like text-based news but there's little doubt that qntra could grow its readership (if that's the intention) with more visuals.
1181766;1435679152;assbot;Logged on 28-06-2015 07:53:07; cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares  CC: pete_dushenski
1181767;1435679200;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1181768;1435679201;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.43, Best ask: 267.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 267.49, 24 hour volume: 46254.35097666, 24 hour low: 252.79, 24 hour high: 268.1, 24 hour vwap: None
1181769;1435679472;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181735 << poor straussy. all he ever did was question the use of inflation targets by central banks.
1181770;1435679472;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 14:25:50; asciilifeform: '...anyone who knows mathematics can see that the United States is on the verge of collapse because its debt has gone exponential. These aren't words that an American or a European politician can utter in public, and perhaps not even whisper to their significant other while lying in bed, because the American eavesdroppers might overhear them, and then the politician in question would get the Dominique
1181771;1435679521;mod6;<+Jautenim> shall i submit a patch to the mailing list? it's quite a simple fix << If you're in the WoT (looks like you are) feel free to submit a patch as you like.
1181772;1435679638;Jautenim;k, I'll give it a go
1181773;1435679726;mod6;Salud!
1181774;1435679854;pete_dushenski;"Cisco Systems Inc (CSCO.O) said on Tuesday it would buy OpenDNS, a privately held cloud-based security company, for $635 million in cash and equity awards to beef up its security business." << might as well consolidate the crown corps, save on letterhead.
1181775;1435680039;pete_dushenski;"Cenovus Energy Inc (CVE.TO), Canada's second-largest independent oil producer, said on Tuesday it has agreed to sell its portfolio of oil and gas royalty properties to Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan for about C$3.3 billion ($2.66 billion)." << speaking of deals, a big one for canada.
1181776;1435680112;pete_dushenski;cenovus is based in alberta and it quite clearly in the crosshairs of the new socialist government and its anti-business platform that -will- include increases in oil royalties
1181777;1435680152;pete_dushenski;"Teachers' said the latest deal offers diversification benefits and a hedge against unexpected inflation." << lol! unexpected for who ?!
1181778;1435680213;ben_vulpes;Jautenim: yeah, i ran into that one as well
1181779;1435680231;ben_vulpes;btw - i've yet to get boost to compile and exit 0
1181780;1435680236;ben_vulpes;and yet bitcoind builds
1181781;1435680240;*;ben_vulpes quakes in boots
1181782;1435680299;pete_dushenski;"Heritage Royalty owns about 4.8 million acres of royalty interest and mineral fee title lands in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Royalty lands are privately held oil and gas properties that are not subject to the royalties that producers pay governments for operating on publicly owned lands." << ok that's actually a super interesting detail. so cenovus is offloading the land that's -exempt- from royalties w
1181783;1435680299;pete_dushenski;hile keeping the stuff that is.
1181784;1435680311;pete_dushenski;i guess the offer was too sweet to pass up.
1181785;1435680313;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html#ak47.sh << i've been working with this. it uses bash, so less portable, but it fails on any error which makes it easier to debug, as the script exits whenever anything goes wrong
1181786;1435680315;assbot;a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcOQRm )
1181787;1435680368;ben_vulpes;aand pete, i'm talking about mr. musk's overpriced station wagon
1181788;1435680435;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: the 's' is the sedan, the 'x' is the suv... is the 't' the little one that's in the pipeline ?
1181789;1435680444;ben_vulpes;ah!
1181790;1435680448;ben_vulpes;no, i'm just retarded.
1181791;1435680458;ben_vulpes;the model s is a betamobile
1181792;1435680468;ben_vulpes;s/retarded/don'treallycareaboutmoderncarnamingconventions
1181793;1435680469;pete_dushenski;ahahah
1181794;1435680488;ben_vulpes;"o hai i bought a thooper expensive babywaggon"
1181795;1435680496;pete_dushenski;well, things have names is all.
1181796;1435680497;pete_dushenski;myea
1181797;1435680514;ben_vulpes;i've no idea how i got it into my head that it was called the model t.
1181798;1435680521;pete_dushenski;they've exploded here this summer, from 0 last year to dozens this year
1181799;1435680528;ben_vulpes;yeah, all over here as well.
1181800;1435680557;ben_vulpes;driven mostly by harried sunken-chested polo-shirt wearing dads
1181801;1435680605;pete_dushenski;and parked in front of their post-post-modern duplexes with rooftop patios and pv sunshades
1181802;1435680623;pete_dushenski;sorta the mo
1181803;1435680673;ben_vulpes;i have to imagine that's what they drive into town from.
1181804;1435680686;ben_vulpes;don't knock the rooftop patio mang
1181805;1435680723;pete_dushenski;lol i'm not the one saying tesla drivers are pussies, you are !
1181806;1435680741;pete_dushenski;i'm as fond of rooftop patios as anyone
1181807;1435680776;ben_vulpes;i'm just describing the car. can't really generalize about groups
1181808;1435680776;pete_dushenski;http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/23/tesla-disputes-rumors-model-3-delay/ << mebbe the '3' sounded like a 't' in your head, ben ?
1181809;1435680777;assbot;Tesla disputes rumors of Model 3 delay ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4zEJ7 )
1181810;1435680808;pete_dushenski;^it will, of course, be massively delayed.
1181811;1435680809;ben_vulpes;http://imgur.com/6nxSOBo << today's view from the office patio
1181812;1435680810;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4zLEy )
1181813;1435680834;pete_dushenski;o hey, not too shabby at all.
1181814;1435680851;pete_dushenski;so that's what the view from the top looks like.
1181815;1435681001;ben_vulpes;hah
1181816;1435681045;ben_vulpes;you can't see it for the trees, but we have clients in a building across the river that are *far* higher on the bezzletrough than us
1181817;1435681050;ben_vulpes;we? i.
1181818;1435681081;pete_dushenski;something to aim for !
1181819;1435681094;pete_dushenski;btw how goes the baby-prepping/proofing ?
1181820;1435681106;ben_vulpes;well, ty
1181821;1435681111;pete_dushenski;moving house, cleaning out current one ?
1181822;1435681123;ben_vulpes;no no, staying in the current hobbit hole.
1181823;1435681141;ben_vulpes;no sense in accelerating the hedonic treadmill any faster than is strictly necessary.
1181824;1435681149;pete_dushenski;agreed.
1181825;1435681159;ben_vulpes;lady v did procure a 4ft tall giraffe recently, though
1181826;1435681172;pete_dushenski;treadmill moves plenty quickly enough without much help.
1181827;1435681176;pete_dushenski;a cute !
1181828;1435681189;ben_vulpes;and one of these for like 40 bucks http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bloom-Coco-Baby-Natural-Bent-Plywood-Lounger-Bouncer-Rocker-Swing-Modern-/281466524211
1181829;1435681191;assbot; Bloom Coco Baby Natural Bent Plywood Lounger Bouncer Rocker Swing Modern | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4BjhL )
1181830;1435681199;ben_vulpes;but in maroon wood and white leather
1181831;1435681225;pete_dushenski;huh sharp little design there
1181832;1435681297;ben_vulpes;no plastic baby cages in my house no ty
1181833;1435681371;pete_dushenski;he'll sleep in the bed with you then ?
1181834;1435681388;pete_dushenski;or (wood) bassinet ?
1181835;1435681430;ben_vulpes;yeah some cosleeping to begin with
1181836;1435681461;ben_vulpes;and i'm being dramatic about the plastics, there's a many-in-one stroller thing that a relative mentioned getting for us
1181837;1435681467;ben_vulpes;what has happened to me
1181838;1435681473;ben_vulpes;why am i talking about bay crap
1181839;1435681534;ben_vulpes;how about that eatblock patch?
1181840;1435681552;pete_dushenski;lol
1181841;1435681613;pete_dushenski;i dun think that a little plastic is the end of the world, not like we didn't grow up with it
1181842;1435681653;pete_dushenski;sure, steel and wood carriages and cribs are better, but doesn't mean such things exist for less than $maxint
1181843;1435681659;ben_vulpes;living well in NA is all about the art of judiciously applied delicately spun hydrocarbons
1181844;1435682030;danielpbarron;!up wjko777
1181845;1435682590;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1181846;1435682671;pete_dushenski;;;later tell menahem lol at travis ! 1 btc for a lifetime membership to his tardsclub. as fucking if.
1181847;1435682672;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1181848;1435682783;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181737 << because i wished to highlight the experimental character of the whole direct block injection thing
1181849;1435682783;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 15:11:06; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the reasoning behind the -caneat flag?
1181850;1435682861;ascii_field;and in general, when adding a peculiar and unfamiliar behaviour to bitcoin, it is good practice to place a red flip-cover around the button
1181851;1435682934;ben_vulpes;and flip-cover for eatblock because state of running bitcoinator is mutated by its use, while the dumpblock does not mutate and so does not need a flag?
1181852;1435682980;ben_vulpes;(and imagine my disappointment when you didn't name it shitblock!)
1181853;1435683171;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: rename if you like!
1181854;1435683191;ascii_field;srsly my turds aren't 'gospel', publish corrections/repaintings/etc
1181855;1435683202;ascii_field;dumpblock is non-destructive, aha
1181856;1435683404;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: https://ontario.westburne.ca/shopimages/canadamedia/8/0/6/8796436299806.jpg << example
1181857;1435683406;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GX1Mag )
1181858;1435684097;pete_dushenski;also http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f6/21/71/f62171fd29dd08501de7515f76540bb1.jpg
1181859;1435684098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUCx9o )
1181860;1435684114;pete_dushenski;^name that car, kidz !
1181861;1435684415;mod6;!up ascii_field
1181862;1435685759;danielpbarron;!up Eulorian
1181863;1435686674;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/channel115/LovelyTaya enjoy xD
1181864;1435686675;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO5HSK )
1181865;1435686940;Jautenim;mod6: hm, I've carefully read http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev but I believe mailman is not accepting my emails
1181866;1435686941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO6uTT )
1181867;1435686957;Jautenim;should it barf something back at me? I'm not receiving any feedback either
1181868;1435687140;mod6;ah, i don't think you're in assbot's L2.  Sorry if I wasted your time.  Just send the patch to me: modsix@gmail.com
1181869;1435687161;mod6;plz clearsign your email, and attach a detached signature of the patch file
1181870;1435687175;danielpbarron;he's got a +1 from MP
1181871;1435687191;mod6;some detals on that are here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html
1181872;1435687191;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FO76so )
1181873;1435687219;mod6;danielpbarron: yeah, i saw that. i thought that'd be enough.  but maybe something else is up?  anyway, you can send to me.  I'll review, etc.
1181874;1435687310;Jautenim;sure! i was puzzled too, thought that'd be enough
1181875;1435687529;mod6;<+mod6> plz clearsign your email, and attach a detached signature of the patch file << along with the patch itself i might add!
1181876;1435687530;Jautenim;there you go
1181877;1435687579;mod6;perfect, thanks!
1181878;1435688871;mod6;**NOTICE** I'll be updating the graphs in this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/ in about the next ~15 minutes.  So if there's a hiccup, just wait a minute or six.
1181879;1435688872;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqZV1f )
1181880;1435688931;mod6;derp: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/
1181881;1435688932;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqZX9E )
1181882;1435688990;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1181883;1435688999;ascii_field;http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/necpc8201a.html
1181884;1435688999;assbot;NEC PC8201a laptop computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr04li )
1181885;1435689009;ascii_field;BingoBoingo and other archaeologists ^
1181886;1435689037;ascii_field;' the NEC still wins over most portable computers of any time for the quality of its keyboard. This is a machine for typing on, and producing content, not for consuming content...  Even now, nearly 30 years after production, it still works perfectly. The larger capacity modern rechargeable AA cells means that four of these will keep it running for weeks. Astonishing battery life compared with modern devices.'
1181887;1435689138;ascii_field;'I plan to start using the machine again because its keyboard is superior to any other laptop that I've owned and it boots far faster than any other laptop that I've owned.'
1181888;1435689350;trinque;neat. that thing's exactly what I've meant about a device which is only for editing buffers of text.
1181889;1435689413;ascii_field;trinque: i've been looking for something that fits that description - while not being a piece of shit - for a decade
1181890;1435689463;ascii_field;even bought a weird jp device, 'pomera dm20', once
1181891;1435689467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45080 @ 0.00045047 = 20.3072 BTC [-] {2} 
1181892;1435689500;ascii_field;now it gathers dust - keyboard has three or so keys that flip the thing into jp mode, and they 'get pressed' constantly (on account of how cramped the thing is)
1181893;1435689598;ascii_field;and before anyone links to the barfalicious 'hemingwriter' thing - just don't. please.
1181894;1435689790;ascii_field;FUCK 3d-printed faux typewriter case, screen one has to squint at, and 'cloud'
1181895;1435689831;trinque;what a dumb pile of hipster wank
1181896;1435689862;*;trinque goes to forage for coffee
1181897;1435689894;punkman;speaking of hipsters, behold http://www.usbtypewriter.com/collections/typewriters
1181898;1435689896;assbot;USB Typewriter ~  ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr1gVX )
1181899;1435689912;ascii_field;l0l
1181900;1435689952;mod6;ok http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/ has been updated
1181901;1435689952;assbot;bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr1koz )
1181902;1435690014;ascii_field;which patches ?
1181903;1435690046;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt
1181904;1435690046;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kr1s7G )
1181905;1435690059;mod6;awe jeeze
1181906;1435690063;mod6;lol
1181907;1435690269;shinohai;@ mod6 so no more manual patch applications?
1181908;1435690297;ascii_field;wai wat?!
1181909;1435690330;ascii_field;shinohai: that thing is intended only for eyeballs/study
1181910;1435690347;shinohai;kk
1181911;1435690348;ascii_field;it is not a shithub
1181912;1435690367;mod6;huh? no, im laughing because when I swapped the doxygens around (LR, to TB) i nuked the file that showed the patches included.
1181913;1435690372;mod6;and I can't find a backup
1181914;1435690403;ascii_field;shinohai: in all cases, the canonical code is the original pedigreed and signed 0.5.3 and the sequence of signed patches which add up to a release
1181915;1435690424;mod6;I did it like that because the list of patch names is far too long. makes it look kinda ridiculous in the header
1181916;1435690504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00045013 = 52.2151 BTC [-]
1181917;1435690707;BingoBoingo;Stator on shittop sync'd to 200 kiloblocks
1181918;1435690818;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1181919;1435691176;mod6;well, i still had the build directory anyway.  a list of patches & checksums is at the same URL nao: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt
1181920;1435691177;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKIi5m )
1181921;1435691569;ascii_field;in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works
1181922;1435691592;ascii_field;presently, while i'm doing entirely other things, it it running pmap -XX <pid> after each eat
1181923;1435691597;ascii_field;and saving output thereof
1181924;1435691625;ascii_field;later this week (still gotta do my broadcast tonight...) will throw this into 'gnuplot'
1181925;1435691631;ascii_field;unless somebody else wants to..
1181926;1435691696;ascii_field;the raw blocks 0...217336 sum to 5.3GB.
1181927;1435691714;ascii_field;(actual mass of these, without ~anything~ extra)
1181928;1435691860;ascii_field;(if this wasn't clear, this is a node running without a net connection at all)
1181929;1435692065;jurov;hi all, was afk
1181930;1435692101;ascii_field;jurov missed all the good stuff, l0l
1181931;1435692107;jurov;ascii_field probably isn't aware that exactly the same thing as dumpblock output is the phoundation's bootstrap.dat
1181932;1435692123;jurov;would be interesting to compare them
1181933;1435692133;ascii_field;i mean, the blocks were in there to begin with
1181934;1435692137;ascii_field;they did not come from my arse
1181935;1435692138;jurov;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117982.0
1181936;1435692141;assbot;[BETA] Bitcoin blockchain torrent ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqI8pi )
1181937;1435692176;jurov;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0 lol and they managed to obsolete it already
1181938;1435692178;assbot;[ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqIah6 )
1181939;1435692201;ascii_field;and i never imagined i was the first to ever dump blocks - i think just about everybody had some 3rd party script thing to do it with
1181940;1435692256;ascii_field;but now one can single-step the sync, and remove just about all nondeterminism
1181941;1435692373;mircea_popescu;ahhh
1181942;1435692420;ascii_field;mircea_popescu!
1181943;1435692459;mircea_popescu;heya.
1181944;1435692462;mircea_popescu;dezastru ?
1181945;1435692477;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i wonder how many times in the history of linux one has issued the command ;;
1181946;1435692498;mircea_popescu;somehow i suspect its more common than kk
1181947;1435692520;ascii_field;kein dezastru
1181948;1435692527;ascii_field;but many good things
1181949;1435692545;*;mircea_popescu is going to get top the logs just as soon as he's done hammering the seeder into shape
1181950;1435692550;mircea_popescu;which should be soonish
1181951;1435692761;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1181952;1435692785;mircea_popescu;in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?"
1181953;1435692810;mircea_popescu;i would have inquired whether front facing fanny or rear facing fanny, but i was pressed for time sadly.
1181954;1435692859;ascii_field;l0l!
1181955;1435692868;BingoBoingo;<jurov> ascii_field probably isn't aware that exactly the same thing as dumpblock output is the phoundation's bootstrap.dat << As far as I'm aware the "bootstrap.dat" never got implemented in a way that worked beyond the first 2GB of blockchain on pre-v0.8 clients
1181956;1435692892;mircea_popescu;afaik this ^ is correct
1181957;1435692987;*;BingoBoingo spent some time dicking around with it when did OpenBSD 0.7.2 -ish build
1181958;1435693038;BingoBoingo;Bootstrap.dat did what it was supposed to on v0.8.6 though, didn
1181959;1435693061;BingoBoingo;'t much speed up sync because verification is still CPU bound
1181960;1435693063;ascii_field;how was it generated ?
1181961;1435693089;BingoBoingo;I think garzick had a script somewhere I'll did
1181962;1435693092;BingoBoingo;*dig
1181963;1435693110;ascii_field;and i beg to differ that direct arse-to-mouth of blocks 'doesn't speed sync'
1181964;1435693113;ascii_field;it sure as fuck does
1181965;1435693122;ascii_field;on account of not having the hours-long bastard block doldrums
1181966;1435693165;ascii_field;nor is mempool churning
1181967;1435693217;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
1181968;1435693219;assbot;[ANN] Bitcoin blockchain data torrent ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqK8Ow )
1181969;1435693279;ascii_field;https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode/blob/master/mkbootstrap.py << ick
1181970;1435693280;assbot;pynode/mkbootstrap.py at master · jgarzik/pynode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqKeFX )
1181971;1435693281;BingoBoingo;Well, once I got into 2013 and months crawled into taking days per any speed up wasn't much noticable
1181972;1435693307;ascii_field;i'm speaking of ~hours~ here
1181973;1435693386;BingoBoingo;Ah hours out of weeks
1181974;1435693397;ascii_field;mno, hours total
1181975;1435693400;ascii_field;from 0 to maxheight
1181976;1435693401;BingoBoingo;Apparently 'cat' is fine too https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10381/creating-my-own-bootstrap-dat
1181977;1435693402;assbot;blockchain - Creating my own bootstrap.dat? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKW3m4 )
1181978;1435693435;*;BingoBoingo just be running horribru underpowered machines for this task
1181979;1435693482;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: entirely not the same
1181980;1435693488;ascii_field;has the 'prefix network number' bullshit
1181981;1435693501;BingoBoingo;Ah
1181982;1435693510;ascii_field;(and length field)
1181983;1435694190;mircea_popescu;terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbException' << teh sound of unhappy. i'll be doing shasums for the rest of the day by the looks of it.
1181984;1435694286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00046402 = 30.6253 BTC [+] {2} 
1181985;1435694316;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0041 << in classic 0.5.3. naturally i haven't the faintest clue re: yours
1181986;1435694317;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/db.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKY3ur )
1181987;1435694338;mircea_popescu;it's almopst always a corrupterd db
1181988;1435694348;mircea_popescu;apparently the "damaged in transit" thing happens o.O
1181989;1435694360;ascii_field;at any rate, i posted checksums of what i personally got over the wire, earlier.
1181990;1435694361;mircea_popescu;anyway, i've been digging into all sorts of strange re this since 3 days ago, what's a bucket more.
1181991;1435694378;mircea_popescu;ah, those don't help, obv every client makes its own blockchain set
1181992;1435694380;ascii_field;all 16MB of them
1181993;1435694387;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: actually!
1181994;1435694389;ascii_field;blocks are canonical
1181995;1435694396;ascii_field;recall, we have 'dumpblock'
1181996;1435694413;ascii_field;yes, it follows main chain
1181997;1435694423;BingoBoingo;Just BDB not necessarily canonical unless "detatched"
1181998;1435694426;mircea_popescu;i have never seen blknnnn of the same size even, forget the same contents
1181999;1435694427;ascii_field;so it is conceivable that yours barfed on an orphaned (in the original sense) block
1182000;1435694436;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ~blocks are canonical~
1182001;1435694436;mircea_popescu;vanishingly unlikely.
1182002;1435694442;ascii_field;that's sorta the whole point of bitcoin
1182003;1435694445;mircea_popescu;yes i know. talking bout my own problem here!
1182004;1435694450;ascii_field;l0l
1182005;1435694454;mircea_popescu;hehe
1182006;1435694460;mircea_popescu;the sorry man's world is his sorrow.
1182007;1435694499;ascii_field;for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4
1182008;1435694540;mircea_popescu;yeh the problem's later, 310kish
1182009;1435694581;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: consider preserving the turd for dissection
1182010;1435694589;mircea_popescu;im preservin'.
1182011;1435694612;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1182012;1435694769;BingoBoingo;!up mitzip
1182013;1435694777;mircea_popescu;how i feel, illustrated : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ygcdDW8U1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg
1182014;1435694778;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKYZPv )
1182015;1435694833;BingoBoingo;mitzip: You do work on funtoo?
1182016;1435694862;mitzip;BingoBoingo: yes, but I haven't been active lately
1182017;1435694895;BingoBoingo;mitzip: Still, great project.
1182018;1435694908;mitzip;BingoBoingo: thanks I feel the same way :)
1182019;1435695022;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt
1182020;1435695024;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKZARb )
1182021;1435695025;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1182022;1435695711;ascii_field;$ sha256sum ~/.bitcoin_mp_strange/blk0001.dat
1182023;1435695711;ascii_field;7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a
1182024;1435695746;ascii_field;$ sha256sum ~/.bitcoin_ok/blk0001.dat 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a
1182025;1435695761;ascii_field;^ from a node synced in february
1182026;1435695775;ascii_field;'mp_strange' is the data set discussed earlier
1182027;1435695811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00046668 = 9.987 BTC [+] {2} 
1182028;1435695820;ascii_field;either mircea_popescu, or i, or both, is suffering from 'cosmic rays'
1182029;1435695872;mircea_popescu;uh.
1182030;1435695886;mircea_popescu;maybe this is half-deterministic somehow ? did you make them on the same build ?
1182031;1435695896;ascii_field;0.5.3 variants
1182032;1435695907;mircea_popescu;odd, they really shouldn't match
1182033;1435695908;ascii_field;mp_strange was on the 'stator' build
1182034;1435695923;ascii_field;why shouldn't they match ?
1182035;1435695976;mircea_popescu;cuz bdb strange
1182036;1435695984;ascii_field;these aren't bdb files!
1182037;1435695993;ascii_field;they're blkxxxx.dat format
1182038;1435695996;ascii_field;nothing to do with bdb
1182039;1435696027;ascii_field;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1527
1182040;1435696028;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYAiIi )
1182041;1435696263;ascii_field;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0771
1182042;1435696264;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1IL2dm4 )
1182043;1435697488;BingoBoingo;Google, not the Rebel Flag is the real racist http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/06/30/google_s_image_recognition_software_returns_some_surprisingly_racist_results.html
1182044;1435697488;assbot;Google's image recognition software returns some surprisingly racist results. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYCQ9s )
1182045;1435697527;trinque;lol!
1182046;1435697541;mircea_popescu;it's ok, google has letter from stalin.
1182047;1435697545;mircea_popescu;stop being racist.
1182048;1435697694;trinque;While Google’s efforts to solve this problem are admirable, it’s still troubling that it happened at all. As Alciné wrote on Twitter, “I understand HOW this happens; the problem is moreso on the WHY.� << oh for fuck's sake
1182049;1435697723;trinque;someday soon they're going to start calling this kind of shit something as stupid as "micro-terrorism"
1182050;1435697748;*;trinque tries to come up with a more fitting euphemistic propaganda term
1182051;1435697907;trinque;neh I like micro-terrorism... there it stays
1182052;1435697994;trinque;http://www.uwsp.edu/acadaff/NewFacultyResources/NFSRacialMicroaggressions_Table.pdf << lawl
1182053;1435697996;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1eYDELx )
1182054;1435699476;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1182055;1435699491;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if you have any other nodes of this kind, consider posting the hash
1182056;1435699532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17221 @ 0.00046918 = 8.0797 BTC [+]
1182057;1435699536;mircea_popescu;ascii_field atm re-doing filecopying.
1182058;1435700184;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181836 <<< the plastic shit is everywhere :\
1182059;1435700184;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 16:24:21; ben_vulpes: and i'm being dramatic about the plastics, there's a many-in-one stroller thing that a relative mentioned getting for us
1182060;1435700451;cazalla;and even if you don't buy it or try to limit it, well intentioned friends and family try to load you up with all manner of shit
1182061;1435700481;shinohai;Possible r/bitcoiner? http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/06/portland_man_arrested_for_viol.html#incart_most-read_
1182062;1435700482;assbot;Portland man arrested for violent tantrum after seeing Comcast worker in bedroom | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5wi8U )
1182063;1435700531;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Likely
1182064;1435700558;cazalla;don't you ever touch a white man's modem
1182065;1435700596;shinohai;Nah he was probably being defensive because he was afraid they would find his My Little Pony playset or something.
1182066;1435700607;cazalla;he does look like an mlp fag eh
1182067;1435700684;shinohai;I have only seen the Comcast guy 2 times in 5 years in this place I live.
1182068;1435700884;shinohai;There is a slight spelling error in this document: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
1182069;1435700885;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5xA3A )
1182070;1435700952;BingoBoingo;!s electrum
1182071;1435700953;assbot;189 results for 'electrum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=electrum
1182072;1435700977;trinque;shinohai: I noticed that as well
1182073;1435700984;trinque;"oppinion"
1182074;1435700988;shinohai;^
1182075;1435700999;*;shinohai is a spelling Nazi
1182076;1435701001;mats;http://gcc.godbolt.org
1182077;1435701002;assbot;Compiler Explorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5xWay )
1182078;1435701025;mats;found it just in time for my education
1182079;1435701035;trinque;ah that's cool
1182080;1435701083;trinque;UI's a little dumb
1182081;1435701095;trinque;I tend to call that periscope UI
1182082;1435701107;trinque;where you're looking through a tiny window at some scrollable thing
1182083;1435701114;trinque;needs moar pixels
1182084;1435701217;BingoBoingo;Anyone try running electrum-server yet against Foundation 0.5.3.1 or later build? Once stator on craptop syncs on craptop I plan on seeing if they get along
1182085;1435701240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.01227109 = 1.2271 BTC [-] {6} 
1182086;1435701305;trinque;!up CheckDavid
1182087;1435701325;CheckDavid;when I want to talk here I never manage to get voice lol
1182088;1435701329;shinohai;@ BingoBoingo I did but I failed :/
1182089;1435701338;trinque;CheckDavid: pm someone voiced when that happens
1182090;1435701341;shinohai;Heaven't tried in a while though. I was drunk.
1182091;1435701368;trinque;!gettrust CheckDavid
1182092;1435701368;assbot;CheckDavid is not registered in WoT.
1182093;1435701381;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Ah. If you try again let me know what they errors were like. Still prolly have a month or so before craptop finishes sync
1182094;1435701412;shinohai;craptop ?
1182095;1435701418;trinque;!h
1182096;1435701418;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1182097;1435701422;trinque;CheckDavid: ^
1182098;1435701423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181614 @ 0.0004773 = 86.6844 BTC [+] {4} 
1182099;1435701484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52186 @ 0.00048707 = 25.4182 BTC [+]
1182100;1435701539;shinohai;@ BingoBoingo I have been able to run it against termcoin, which I don't recommend as a real wallet.
1182101;1435701578;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Was recently gifted second laptop. Single core AMD 64bit atom-like processor. Testing stator 0.5.4 build, once sync'd will likely dick around with electrum server against a foundation build with aim of eventually setting up a dedi-box
1182102;1435701613;shinohai;I have a dedi server for foundation use if we do get electrum running
1182103;1435701870;*;BingoBoingo hoping I don't have to make a bunch of patches to the RPC for this to work
1182104;1435701942;shinohai;The only issue I had was importing private keys, but I solved that.
1182105;1435702048;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181952 <<< perhaps a rash on her pussy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLnPKUPE4yo
1182106;1435702048;assbot;Logged on 30-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?"
1182107;1435702048;assbot;Larry David - Curb Your Enthusiasm "Pussy Rash" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5AyFs )
1182108;1435702073;trinque;^gross
1182109;1435702120;*;trinque commits microaggression against the differently-hygiened
1182110;1435702215;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina
1182111;1435702217;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 262.746045, Best ask: 262.88298, Bid-ask spread: 0.13693, Last trade: 262.775043, 24 hour volume: 31846.62470000, 24 hour low: 256.037841, 24 hour high: 268.3926, 24 hour vwap: 262.529039618
1182112;1435702835;mats;microterrorism, foo
1182113;1435702956;cazalla;making up your own microaggression is nanoaggresion mats
1182114;1435702995;cazalla;and anyway, people in this channel make gigaaggressions
1182115;1435702998;mats;we'll leave it to twitter to decide wut is wut
1182116;1435703114;punkman;lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIxwLt_UEAAbmcL.jpg
1182117;1435703115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5DBxa )
1182118;1435703201;shinohai;I'll bet r/bitcoin had that CNN feed up praying that it triggers mass Greek adoption.
1182119;1435703250;punkman;Greece has barely even adopted credit cards
1182120;1435703619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45225 @ 0.00048728 = 22.0372 BTC [+] {2} 
1182121;1435704030;shinohai;hue, motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-is-unsustainable?trk_source=homepage-lede
1182122;1435704031;assbot;Bitcoin Is Unsustainable | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5GPkq )
1182123;1435704188;jurov;BingoBoingo: electrum did require patches even in 0.8
1182124;1435704198;BingoBoingo;Ah
1182125;1435704263;shinohai;hmm
1182126;1435704507;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/haY5dyt.png
1182127;1435704508;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U5IgiI )
1182128;1435704536;BingoBoingo;^ Free to be Liberia
1182129;1435704695;cazalla;that pic isn't really a fair representation of the problematic hambeasts
1182130;1435704783;cazalla;needs more coloured hair, piercings, tats, triple chins and no dress sense
1182131;1435706318;trinque;"That makes Bitcoin about 5,033 times more energy intensive, per transaction, than VISA" << what a crock of shit
1182132;1435706331;trinque;you have to count every payment processor in the whole byzantine credit card system if you're going to play that game
1182133;1435706357;trinque;^ from BingoBoingo's motherboard article
1182134;1435706703;decimation;^ plus all the bureaucrats who work for visa/banks/usg to 'oversee' the system
1182135;1435706733;decimation;and the care, feeding, coddling thereof
1182136;1435706934;shinohai;That same tired argument has echoed from every supporter of PoS for as long as I can remember.
1182137;1435707313;scoopbot_revived;Current Greek Capital Controls http://qntra.net/2015/06/current-greek-capital-controls/
1182138;1435707713;trinque;lol... goxxed
1182139;1435708199;BingoBoingo;Goxxed indeed