1117204;1430438454;williamdunne;>Requests that you disable adblock
1117205;1430438454;williamdunne;>Displays adverts that play noise in the background.. on a video sit
1117206;1430438472;williamdunne;*site
1117207;1430438868;ben_vulpes;For example, there was a famous hack that provided a means of (1) removing a cons cell from a freelist, (2) updating the freelist, and (3) branching if the freelist was exhausted to the GC... in *one instruction*. << that *is* cool
1117208;1430439066;ben_vulpes;"the difference between theory and practice is, uh, larger in practice than in theory" << paul graham! whatta dood
1117209;1430439196;ben_vulpes;"It was solid enough to be a serious system that had real clients who depended on it." << oh for those days, and those clients
1117210;1430439331;BingoBoingo;Oh, look at this OpenSSH change: "sshd(8): UseDNS now defaults to 'no'. Configurations that match against the client host name (via sshd_config(5) or authorized_keys) may need to re-enable it or convert to matching against addresses." http://www.openbsd.org/57.html
1117211;1430439332;assbot;OpenBSD 5.7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4pQvQ )
1117212;1430439478;mircea_popescu;this is a good move neh ?
1117213;1430439540;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Depreciate all the DNS
1117214;1430439544;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : at battle of manzikert, spy to ars aslan : "my sultan, the enemy army is approaching us". ars aslan : "then we are approaching them as well"
1117215;1430439602;trinque;damn, that's a good quote.
1117216;1430439696;mircea_popescu;guy's name is actually alp arslan, upon research. i misremembered.
1117217;1430439833;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "deprecate"
1117218;1430439837;ben_vulpes;non?
1117219;1430439844;trinque;that's the one
1117220;1430439873;BingoBoingo;Eh, happens
1117221;1430439948;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115893 << "so, how's his english?" "pretty good, there's just this thing that happens where he occasionally says something that sounds entirely wrong and then the conversation moves on, and five minutes later I ask about it and turns out to be some throwaway joke in romanian or french or latin."
1117222;1430439948;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 15:02:01; mircea_popescu: except my usage is np
1117223;1430440046;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115921 << "law of leaky abstractions" hurts so much more in these scenarios...
1117224;1430440046;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 15:11:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
1117225;1430440115;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115951 << iirc, my answer was "dunno, let's try"
1117226;1430440115;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 15:32:11; mircea_popescu: at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before.
1117227;1430440115;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: graham << was that from the 't' article ?
1117228;1430440144;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: he did pull a normal box out of his sleeve later. it is now operational.
1117229;1430440166;mike_c;mircea_popescu: thanks, but can't imagine what I would do with it.  maybe ascii wants it :)  https://www.fiverr.com/jakky91/draw-any-circuit-diagram-or-pcb-layout
1117230;1430440167;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4skKO )
1117231;1430440194;asciilifeform;mike_c: ugh, i don't need spamchickens for anything whatsoever
1117232;1430440212;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aha
1117233;1430440212;mike_c;he'll design your circuits for you! for $5!
1117234;1430440216;ben_vulpes;benefits of complaining, i suppose
1117235;1430440218;ben_vulpes;dood
1117236;1430440227;ben_vulpes;i could have tacos delivered for like 4 months with that
1117237;1430440232;mike_c;hehe
1117238;1430440262;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have slade's 't programming language' here. mega-book. recommended.
1117239;1430440278;ben_vulpes;perhaps when you come visit, bring it for an extended loan if you're done
1117240;1430440299;asciilifeform;it's for historical aficionados / lisp makers only, must warn
1117241;1430440305;asciilifeform;does not describe a living animal
1117242;1430440310;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1117243;1430440322;ben_vulpes;all i am actually good for is software archaeology after all
1117244;1430440334;*;ben_vulpes considers the eerie parallel with his mothers work
1117245;1430440351;asciilifeform;what was it ?
1117246;1430440390;mike_c;fiverr call girl: https://www.fiverr.com/katiescarlett/talk-to-you-about-anything
1117247;1430440391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExjzUn )
1117248;1430440410;asciilifeform;how much of this exists anywhere other than the ads ?
1117249;1430440421;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "cultural anthropology"
1117250;1430440470;ben_vulpes;as far as i can figure, guesses (liberally sprinked with CYA) about what people did, extrapolated from their middens
1117251;1430440510;cazalla;i wonder how much tablet traffic is demmed mobile
1117252;1430440513;*;ben_vulpes goes for another, smaller glass of chablis
1117253;1430440553;cazalla;mt
1117254;1430440600;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115973 << haw well now i hafta read it
1117255;1430440600;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 16:08:37; mats: special appearance by brendafdez
1117256;1430440614;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers:
1117257;1430440637;asciilifeform;(in case this was not clear from yesterday's thread) please -do- throw keys to http://nosuchlabs.com .
1117258;1430440638;assbot;Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4u8Du )
1117259;1430440650;asciilifeform;as many as you like.
1117260;1430440678;trinque;asciilifeform: ones that have already been phuctored or only new ones?
1117261;1430440689;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lolwut ?
1117262;1430440694;trinque;I recall chatter about whether the db was getting imported
1117263;1430440696;asciilifeform;trinque: ones that already have been, can be retested (push button on the page)
1117264;1430440700;trinque;ok
1117265;1430440703;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what what?
1117266;1430440714;asciilifeform;trinque: but otherwise, any
1117267;1430440727;asciilifeform;(it will tell you if key has been seen before, also)
1117268;1430440734;asciilifeform;or if individual moduli have been
1117269;1430440740;asciilifeform;... or their factors.
1117270;1430440799;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes meanwhile i figured it out. you were quoting teh fox missus
1117271;1430440839;ben_vulpes;close, but other meat
1117272;1430440865;mircea_popescu;mike_c this, imo, sums up the general utility of "revolutionary websites". people don't want accounts on them even if given away with 200 dollars worth of credit attached.
1117273;1430440887;asciilifeform;i can imagine that -someone- wants
1117274;1430440889;asciilifeform;just not me
1117275;1430440889;mircea_popescu;because they actually are a much larger damage than that. sort-of like insanity.
1117276;1430440896;mircea_popescu;"would you like aids for 200 bucks ?" "noty"
1117277;1430440923;cazalla;tyrone is the best fiverr merchant btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miO8DPjSf78
1117278;1430440924;assbot;Tyrone helps you check all your privileges. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c04Bgq )
1117279;1430440940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or mike_c or anyone sane in the fucking head. or over the age of 30.
1117280;1430440942;asciilifeform;i don't need 200 worth of caltrops either
1117281;1430440952;asciilifeform;doesn't mean they're entirely useless
1117282;1430440961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how about half caltrops half bleach
1117283;1430440964;ben_vulpes;i can put caltrops to work
1117284;1430440966;ben_vulpes;and bleach
1117285;1430440967;asciilifeform;now that - must.
1117286;1430440979;asciilifeform;two tastes that go great together (TM) (R)
1117287;1430440984;ben_vulpes;heh
1117288;1430440986;ben_vulpes;yeah
1117289;1430441008;ben_vulpes;this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us
1117290;1430441029;trinque;ben_vulpes: was probably me, sorry!
1117291;1430441031;trinque;:D
1117292;1430441033;ben_vulpes;when i caught up to him at the stop light at the top of the hill, he had his phone out and was recording my endless tirade of abuse
1117293;1430441046;ben_vulpes;naw ive seen your car it pollutes less and you're not nearly as fat as this old sack of shit
1117294;1430441053;trinque;lol
1117295;1430441062;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> achtung, panzers: << dawg i thought you were going to PUT THE ARCHIVE THROUGH IT ALREADY!!!1eleventyeleven
1117296;1430441077;ben_vulpes;yeah where are the bunk keys hm?
1117297;1430441088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1117153 << see also
1117298;1430441088;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 22:20:33; ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
1117299;1430441120;ben_vulpes;arbeit macht frei
1117300;1430441132;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes is volunteering for this chore ?
1117301;1430441144;ben_vulpes;naw i have vino at hand and girls waiting at home
1117302;1430441146;mircea_popescu;yeah, he is. he's volunteering you.
1117303;1430441150;asciilifeform;l0l
1117304;1430441164;ben_vulpes;the shop is empty so i'm drinking and naked
1117305;1430441168;ben_vulpes;well not naked but close
1117306;1430441169;mircea_popescu;o.O
1117307;1430441178;mircea_popescu;people can be naked in the us ?
1117308;1430441178;asciilifeform;why ben_vulpes is sitting in an empty shop ?
1117309;1430441179;ben_vulpes;I'M DOING LAUNDRY OKAY
1117310;1430441185;mircea_popescu;i thought you folk shower in the bag.
1117311;1430441186;asciilifeform;rather than at home where there are chicks
1117312;1430441208;ben_vulpes;because there are two monitors and one of the chicks isn't there yet and this wine isn't going to drink itself nor these logs read themselves
1117313;1430441215;asciilifeform;'tell mistress you're with wife, tell wife you're with mistress, go to lab, get some werk done' (tm) ?
1117314;1430441221;ben_vulpes;p. much.
1117315;1430441243;ben_vulpes;first the boxen, then and only then the chixxen
1117316;1430441246;mircea_popescu;what do you call a wino in portland ?
1117317;1430441248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00025176 = 5.8408 BTC [+] {2} 
1117318;1430441248;mircea_popescu;a vino.
1117319;1430441255;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: electronics hack night has been scheduled
1117320;1430441267;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes built his adapter ?
1117321;1430441281;ben_vulpes;nah, i have delegated the adapter to be brought to my face
1117322;1430441307;ben_vulpes;myriad hackers are salivating over rocket
1117323;1430441310;ben_vulpes;rocketplane*
1117324;1430441329;asciilifeform;l0l essentially a dollar-store part
1117325;1430441339;asciilifeform;(were it made in the usual way)
1117326;1430441348;ben_vulpes;but this comes with provenance
1117327;1430441353;ben_vulpes;i trust you, they trust me
1117328;1430441360;asciilifeform;incidentally i ordered a tray baked today.
1117329;1430441361;ben_vulpes;no microcontrollers on the board...
1117330;1430441375;asciilifeform;(more detail in coming broadcast)
1117331;1430441423;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1116287 << i actually get visuals of mircea_popescu's face when i see ":D" from him nao
1117332;1430441423;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 19:27:52; mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2785 << sometimes it fixes itself :D
1117333;1430441455;mircea_popescu;lol.
1117334;1430441515;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: seems like everyone i've spoken to thinks i oughta have bought the bayonet, luger, helmet, etc.
1117335;1430441516;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117204 <<< but adblock is theft!
1117336;1430441516;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 00:00:54; williamdunne: >Requests that you disable adblock
1117337;1430441531;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116481 << uh can i get a copy of the source and possibly some docs?
1117338;1430441531;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 00:01:59; Pierre_Rochard: pacioli accounting software preview: http://pacio.li/FinancialStatements/IncomeStatement/BTC/Month/Current
1117339;1430441539;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sorry, do not follow
1117340;1430441544;asciilifeform;at the flea market
1117341;1430441549;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1117342;1430441555;ben_vulpes;well what do they know
1117343;1430441568;ben_vulpes;"more intertia is better!"
1117344;1430441584;mircea_popescu;that's why bigger penis is better rite ?
1117345;1430441590;asciilifeform;what i wonder is whether there are any 'krauts' left there or merely their gear.
1117346;1430441605;ben_vulpes;and how much of that gear is even genuinely kraut
1117347;1430441658;Pierre_Rochard;ben_vulpes: docs are forthcoming, I’ve added you to the repo: https://github.com/PierreRochard/pacioli
1117348;1430441658;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4xhDa )
1117349;1430441670;ben_vulpes;ah jeez
1117350;1430441678;ben_vulpes;what have i done
1117351;1430441700;ben_vulpes;https://soundcloud.com/charlottejapp/12-house-of-bamboo
1117352;1430441701;assbot;12 House of Bamboo by charlottejapp | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4xpTp )
1117353;1430441704;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117289 <<< soz but i do this, get off the road, can' t expect everyone to drive 30km/ph in a 60 zone because muh bikes
1117354;1430441704;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 00:43:28; ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us
1117355;1430441710;ben_vulpes;"pick yourself a kitten and listen to a platter...that rocks!"
1117356;1430441744;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyE_OiDVXCo
1117357;1430441747;assbot;Der Königgrätzer Marsch - Berlin Tattoo - YouTube
1117358;1430441758;cazalla;oncoming traffic lane is fine to use as an overtaking lane too, law allows for it but even without that..
1117359;1430441808;ben_vulpes;no but the point is that the lane was entirely empty, so why fucking honk
1117360;1430441817;ben_vulpes;just go around.
1117361;1430441824;*;asciilifeform on narrow streets often wonders how much fuel enviro-bicyclists waste by slowing down columns of motor
1117362;1430441865;cazalla;ben_vulpes, i dunno but most cyclists are passive aggressive pricks may as well join in with the honking
1117363;1430441866;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: probably makes things better by reducing the "GO FAST NOW BRAKE AND WASTE ALL KE NOW HURRY UP AND ACCELERATE MYRIAD TONNES OF PLASTIC AGAIN" dynamic
1117364;1430441869;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nobody actually likes hipsters.
1117365;1430441934;mircea_popescu;go by atomic submarine helicopter or go home.
1117366;1430441940;asciilifeform;!b 2
1117367;1430441941;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TWAYJX.txt )
1117368;1430441950;asciilifeform;submacopter.
1117369;1430441960;ben_vulpes;did you duct tape the submarine part to the heli part?
1117370;1430441969;mircea_popescu;ITS ATOMIC
1117371;1430441975;mircea_popescu;self-welds.
1117372;1430441989;ben_vulpes;he's been derping on cpanel, i can see.
1117373;1430441997;asciilifeform;bwwwwtzzz. (7Hz 'brown note' speaker on any decent atomic dirigible.)
1117374;1430442007;asciilifeform;!s brown note
1117375;1430442007;assbot;2 results for 'brown note' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brown+note
1117376;1430442039;mircea_popescu;afaik brown note for us legion etrangere is "isis"
1117377;1430442051;ben_vulpes;Pierre_Rochard: ever derp on "Manager"?
1117378;1430442072;ben_vulpes;it's what we use at sj - can be beaten into whatever absurd demand i make of $bizpartner
1117379;1430442083;Pierre_Rochard;ben_vulpes: nope, hadn’t heard of it, checking it out now
1117380;1430442101;Pierre_Rochard;looks sleek
1117381;1430442158;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116715 << you probably grok entirely the advantage of that "tiny little keyboard" over touchscreens
1117382;1430442158;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 13:42:00; mircea_popescu: on that litthe shitty keyboard ?
1117383;1430442200;mircea_popescu;sure.
1117384;1430442227;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116751 << asciilifeform: the lotto tixx!
1117385;1430442227;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 14:12:57; mircea_popescu: because that's what #5 does, practically : it offers a model to explain and understand the otherwise insane, and otherwise never explain, luxury behaviour.
1117386;1430442259;asciilifeform;#5 aka 'the gods smile'
1117387;1430442326;asciilifeform;but afaik most veblenism comes from misguided attempts to sate #1-4.
1117388;1430442346;ben_vulpes;can i skip the whole WolfeGoethe thread?
1117389;1430442361;mircea_popescu;you prolly read it before.
1117390;1430442395;ben_vulpes;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHRQTVUoAAFnSw.png:large << heh. seems familiar, but the details are new
1117391;1430442395;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1c09rtQ )
1117392;1430442403;ben_vulpes;kudos a danielpbarron
1117393;1430442421;Pierre_Rochard;ben_vulpes: not seeing how to customize manager, looks proprietary
1117394;1430442476;ben_vulpes;oh entirely
1117395;1430442493;ben_vulpes;this however is how management works
1117396;1430442503;ben_vulpes;"beat that thing into submission and deliver what i've asked for"
1117397;1430442530;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHRQTVUoAAFnSw.png:large << missing element 'atomic dirigible'
1117398;1430442531;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4A6UO )
1117399;1430442569;danielpbarron;i didn't make the thing / found on twitter
1117400;1430442573;mircea_popescu;ahaha "unicorn polyamory" ?
1117401;1430442579;asciilifeform;l0l what even.
1117402;1430442582;mircea_popescu;gtfo, reddit. you don't get to classify the things other people do.
1117403;1430442583;Pierre_Rochard;I’ll definitely be taking pointers from it, but end goal is tight integration with bitcoin wallets & APIs, and leaning on pgsql as much as possible. That’s what made greenfield a necessity
1117404;1430442595;Pierre_Rochard;^ ben_vulpes
1117405;1430442597;ben_vulpes;Pierre_Rochard: nono ofc
1117406;1430442603;ben_vulpes;asking out of curiosity
1117407;1430442626;Pierre_Rochard;thanks for the tip though, definitely one of the rare accounting packages I didn’t find immediately revolting
1117408;1430442627;ben_vulpes;great thing about -assets is the "rewrite everything" option
1117409;1430442631;*;danielpbarron fits in with the blue rectangle in the top right excluded from the overlapping
1117410;1430442634;ben_vulpes;it's actually halfway decent
1117411;1430442658;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: it's missing the dune/WoT polyamory
1117412;1430442665;ben_vulpes;oh hey here's a notion
1117413;1430442668;ben_vulpes;!s robert jordan
1117414;1430442669;assbot;0 results for 'robert jordan' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+jordan
1117415;1430442671;ben_vulpes;aha
1117416;1430442676;ben_vulpes;epic mega series
1117417;1430442684;asciilifeform;it is also missing the reddit category
1117418;1430442726;ben_vulpes;yeah where is the voluntary celibacy box?
1117419;1430442736;asciilifeform;'voluntary-compulsory', to borrow a sovietism
1117420;1430442742;mircea_popescu;lol
1117421;1430442766;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i can vouch for the fact that the classification's nonsensical by the plain observation that i'm all over the fucking map.
1117422;1430442792;mircea_popescu;it looks like the elephant three people found in a dark room.
1117423;1430442812;ben_vulpes;it's like one of those lolarious meyers briggs thing
1117424;1430442833;ben_vulpes;anyone with two neurons rubbing together can make it barf whatever rating zhe desire
1117425;1430442834;asciilifeform;the elephant three people found in a dark room << except that it isn't a whole elephant, but just head, minus tusks, left by poachers
1117426;1430442846;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well sure.
1117427;1430442856;mircea_popescu;there was no integrity promise made at any point.
1117428;1430442867;mircea_popescu;""the elephant" they found"
1117429;1430442919;mircea_popescu;anyway, i will say for the record that all this "typficiation" bullshit, from the ntjx to the mti to everything else is ~strictly~ the result of lazy writing.
1117430;1430442945;asciilifeform;!s borges encyclopaedia
1117431;1430442946;assbot;2 results for 'borges encyclopaedia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=borges+encyclopaedia
1117432;1430442946;*;ben_vulpes shutters lab
1117433;1430442948;mircea_popescu;harlan e has a piece where he explains how people like hubbard were optimizing their workflow by - for instance - typing on rolls of butcher paper so as to not waste time changing sheets in typewriter
1117434;1430442970;ben_vulpes;goodnight asshats
1117435;1430442974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: scrolling!
1117436;1430442982;ben_vulpes;aha this one
1117437;1430442983;mircea_popescu;this exact process is at work here - it becomes much easier to write the sort of pulp cultureless usians call "novels" by proceeding on one of these accounting paradigms
1117438;1430442985;*;ben_vulpes really parts
1117439;1430443000;mircea_popescu;practically speaking, commedia de larte
1117440;1430443009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all of it being merely - early manually-cranked shannonizers.
1117441;1430443026;mircea_popescu;poorly-er done. meanly-er done, actually, in the classical sense of mean ("of mean extraction")
1117442;1430443054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly.
1117443;1430443087;mircea_popescu;so... it's only useful if you're making two cents a word writing "young adult fiction" or whatever other "genre" bullshit, and need shorthand to keep track of your "characters"
1117444;1430443137;mircea_popescu;of course contemporary usage is unpaid shanonizers (such as, reddit users), increasing the volume and decreasing the cost of their misrepresentations of their own social interactions.
1117445;1430443161;mircea_popescu;which is technically a step below on the literary scale. i await with bated breath the next step underwater.
1117446;1430443162;danielpbarron;the author of sex-diagram -> https://www.franklinveaux.com/ "This is the home of Franklin Veaux, a writer, computer consultant, polyamory and BDSM activist, sex educator, and sometimes amateur photographer. Over the years, I've built a more or less inadvertent Web empire, and this is the page that brings all my various Web sites together."
1117447;1430443163;assbot;Welcome to FranklinVeaux.com! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4BXsV )
1117448;1430443169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some time, i've wondered about earliest surviving example of shannonizer
1117449;1430443192;asciilifeform;currently i believe it to be athanasius kircher's 'arca musarithmica'
1117450;1430443193;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever read the torah ?
1117451;1430443214;asciilifeform;sure. nothing directly analogous in there iirc
1117452;1430443226;mircea_popescu;you gotta be kidding me.
1117453;1430443227;asciilifeform;http://www.digicult.it/digimag/issue-055/athanasius-kircher-arca-musarithmica-and-many-sound-devices
1117454;1430443230;assbot;Athanasius Kircher. Arca Musarithmica And Many Sound Devices - Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture  :       Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture     ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4CaMz )
1117455;1430443273;mircea_popescu;"and then herpderp had perpmerp who lived to 105
1117456;1430443282;mircea_popescu;and then perpmerp had foobar who lived to 103
1117457;1430443284;mircea_popescu;and then..."
1117458;1430443290;asciilifeform;sure, but that's a trivial example
1117459;1430443294;mircea_popescu;soooo ?
1117460;1430443302;asciilifeform;no mechanization, even of the 'napier's bones' variety, required.
1117461;1430443311;asciilifeform;shannonizer necessarily includes some element of automation.
1117462;1430443323;asciilifeform;(a schizo gibbering idiocy is not a shannonizer)
1117463;1430443342;asciilifeform;any more than an expert swimmer is by implication a boat.
1117464;1430443382;asciilifeform;re: this question i am interested in learning who was the first 'sailor' and what was his 'boat'.
1117465;1430443382;mircea_popescu;hm.
1117466;1430443392;mircea_popescu;astrology.
1117467;1430443394;asciilifeform;presently i think it to be kircher.
1117468;1430443423;asciilifeform;hm now that mircea_popescu mentions astrology,
1117469;1430443429;mircea_popescu;srsly alf, shanonizing is a very old usage of language.
1117470;1430443432;asciilifeform;probably the mega-winner of 'earliest' is chinese i-ching.
1117471;1430443436;mircea_popescu;it drove it, in paralel with expression.
1117472;1430443445;asciilifeform;(earliest surviving)
1117473;1430443452;mircea_popescu;language is not the result of a single force, but of two, driving it in that left-right manner of driving splits in wood.
1117474;1430443458;mircea_popescu;right.
1117475;1430443462;mircea_popescu;brb
1117476;1430443478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is right about this - i invite readers to look into the basic types of aphasia
1117477;1430443492;*;asciilifeform also brb
1117478;1430443519;*;danielpbarron wrote a few I Ching divination pages in javascript
1117479;1430444486;danielpbarron;!up bocobit
1117480;1430444597;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron isn't that witchcraft ?
1117481;1430444732;BingoBoingo;For shame, 768 bit RSA key from 2002 http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8F0C01E3330EE4B
1117482;1430444733;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0xa8f0c01e3330ee4b " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEQ73d )
1117483;1430444740;danielpbarron;not sure what it counts as, but I'm not into that stuff anymore / burned my yarrow stalks and books on i ching and tao te ching etc
1117484;1430444804;danielpbarron;and the scripts are not hosted anywhere, although copies may still exist in a backup tar somewhere
1117485;1430444816;mircea_popescu;Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes
1117486;1430445357;mircea_popescu;http://okcunt.com/
1117487;1430445360;assbot;OkCunt – ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEQTgo )
1117488;1430445628;BingoBoingo;lolmail address http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB903F51FBA526E9CC8227CD131377450BAA60C8C0AA0371263ECBE4AA361B5B
1117489;1430445628;assbot;Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JERdf9 )
1117490;1430445701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00024825 = 6.6531 BTC [-]
1117491;1430445954;mircea_popescu;poor guy
1117492;1430445956;mod6;haha
1117493;1430446083;*;BingoBoingo is braintired, handfeeding phuctor
1117494;1430446310;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo srsly, script it
1117495;1430446313;mircea_popescu;not something to do by hand
1117496;1430446330;mircea_popescu;scripting is also not hard. curl will do post calls
1117497;1430446424;BingoBoingo;It's a kind of targeted subset of keys I'm feeding and there aren't too many
1117498;1430446470;mircea_popescu;aite.
1117499;1430448294;danielpbarron;mod6, "The Bitcoin Foundation would like bestow our sincerest thanks and gratitude" << like to* bestow ?
1117500;1430448336;mod6;ah derp
1117501;1430448392;mod6;well, at least im consistant. :]  looks that way in all of
1117502;1430448394;mod6;'em
1117503;1430448583;mod6;anyway, thanks, i'll update on the next months address.
1117504;1430448628;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes << read werker.c to see how works.
1117505;1430448849;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1117125 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-03-2015#1079265
1117506;1430448849;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 22:03:49; mircea_popescu: brilliant guy, inescapably stupid. what are you gonna do ? can't empower stupid. off to the gulag with him.
1117507;1430448849;assbot;Logged on 30-03-2015 01:48:44; Adlai: deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
1117508;1430448938;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116847 < I have a small collection of weimar paper
1117509;1430448938;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 16:21:53; ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies
1117510;1430449055;decimation;asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/opinion/ecc-memory-2 < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . "
1117511;1430449056;assbot;Updates on the need to use error-correcting memory ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4SIUE )
1117512;1430449069;decimation;^good link for "why ecc" n00bs
1117513;1430449098;asciilifeform;the fact that so many folks appear to get away with using non-ecc ram is proof that almost nothing that is presently done using pc, actually matters
1117514;1430449107;decimation;although it seems that the cosmic rays might not be the major/primary cause of issues
1117515;1430449113;asciilifeform;and/or that defects therein are successfully buried in the microshit sewers
1117516;1430449131;decimation;asciilifeform: I was looking for a non-golden-toilet laptop with ecc today
1117517;1430449132;decimation;doesn't exist
1117518;1430449135;asciilifeform;decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made
1117519;1430449139;asciilifeform;rather than cosmic-anything
1117520;1430449147;decimation;yeah that's the old-school explanation
1117521;1430449181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00026382 = 8.6533 BTC [+]
1117522;1430449193;decimation;supposedly back when ram cells were larger (larger targets) the ram manufacturers took care to ensure that their cases were low alpha emitters
1117523;1430449203;decimation;and also sealed the silicon in a layer of protective coating
1117524;1430449256;decimation;anyway, given how cheap and easy it is to use ecc ram, it does seem rather laughable that folks don't use
1117525;1430449351;asciilifeform;http://www.electronics-related.com/showthread/sci.electronics.design/426906-2.php << related (2nd post from end)
1117526;1430449352;assbot;sci.electronics.design | cellphone camera as radiation detector| page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwuQp4 )
1117527;1430449379;asciilifeform;re: how, famously, semiconductor folks used to buy up medieval lead roofs from cathedrals, etc. to get low-rad material
1117528;1430449422;decimation;there are some links to industry papers written mainly in the 70's-80's
1117529;1430449428;asciilifeform;mention of xilinx is especially on the point because a bit-flip in fpga routing fabric is catastrophic
1117530;1430449432;asciilifeform;almost without exception.
1117531;1430449433;decimation;strangely no one even seems to think of this as being an issue anymore
1117532;1430449443;decimation;heh yeah certainly would be
1117533;1430449451;asciilifeform;it 'doesn't matter' because the 'people' sitting on the machines don't matter.
1117534;1430449454;asciilifeform;you can take this to the bank.
1117535;1430449511;decimation;certainly a strong argument
1117536;1430449511;asciilifeform;also note that pb was forbidden
1117537;1430449528;asciilifeform;(now we get tin whiskers, joy)
1117538;1430449547;asciilifeform;again, because 'the result doesn't matter' is the secret thought.
1117539;1430449582;asciilifeform;for machines that matter - usg jet fighters, etc. - not only pb but enviro-whiner 'atrocities' like halon are permitted.
1117540;1430449608;decimation;yeah
1117541;1430449619;asciilifeform;there is probably a tank of mortal baby seal tears in an f-22. etc
1117542;1430449631;decimation;and 'big iron' servers have ecc, raid as standard features
1117543;1430449678;asciilifeform;i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer
1117544;1430449727;decimation;I took a cpr class today, relatively simple AED electronics cost > $1k
1117545;1430449738;asciilifeform;golden toilet.
1117546;1430449746;decimation;partially for the liability, but partially also because the design is actually expected to work
1117547;1430449757;asciilifeform;go price a 'medical grade' power supply. just ac-dc brick, any voltage.
1117548;1430449774;decimation;heh yeah.  same for anything on an aircraft
1117549;1430449854;asciilifeform;it is a function of the expected net worth of the purchaser
1117550;1430449866;asciilifeform;and has nothing whatsoever to do with physical internals
1117551;1430449920;decimation;well, more like a function of the probability of being sued for arbitrary liability
1117552;1430449933;asciilifeform;decimation: where did the 'breathalyzer' lawsuit go?
1117553;1430449935;asciilifeform;magicked away.
1117554;1430449952;decimation;for example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/03/14/why-you-shouldnt-sell-any-product-to-an-american-mu-2-crash-in-oklahoma/
1117555;1430449953;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why you shouldn’t sell any product to an American (MU-2 crash in Oklahoma) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4V9qr )
1117556;1430449981;decimation;" for example. If we take the last five minutes of flight as critical due to the proximity to the ground, the lawsuit essentially says that it is more likely that a 1 in 756,000 probability event occurred (engine shutdown during a randomly selected five-minute block of operation time) than that a pilot with virtually no turbine experience or experience with the MU-2 crashed the notoriously tricky airplane through pilot error. "
1117557;1430449999;asciilifeform;re: servers: it is interesting to consider what kind of reliability mechanics would be standard (like ecc is) if microshit and unix did not exist to make a gigantic software shitter in which to hide hardware flukes
1117558;1430450014;asciilifeform;'tandem' voting circuits, etc. would probably be SOP
1117559;1430450029;asciilifeform;(if -any- failure could be reliably pinned on softs)
1117560;1430450036;asciilifeform;hards, rather
1117561;1430450046;decimation;actually, much more sophisticated techniques exist
1117562;1430450068;decimation;somehow hard drives are allowed to have their own computers, so they implement advanced ldpc codes
1117563;1430450074;asciilifeform;all such techniques are fundamentally and provably variations on same theme
1117564;1430450103;decimation;sure.  somehow ram didn't escape the reach of the microshit von neumann machine, but hard disk did
1117565;1430450105;asciilifeform;(or scams, of course. no shortage of this)
1117566;1430450123;asciilifeform;hard disk is running turdware since when, '04 ?
1117567;1430450129;asciilifeform;there are known bugs in hdd firmware
1117568;1430450136;asciilifeform;(not even speaking of satanic influence here)
1117569;1430450149;decimation;sure, but it's not directly visible, unlike cpu/ram interface
1117570;1430450166;asciilifeform;quite visible when they drop out of a raid for no discernible reason
1117571;1430450183;asciilifeform;and then happily pop back in
1117572;1430450212;decimation;heh yeah raid controllers are their own world if crazy too
1117573;1430450292;decimation;does there exist a completely open firmware for a raid controller?
1117574;1430450315;asciilifeform;not afaik.
1117575;1430450323;decimation;yeah I've never hear of it either
1117576;1430450339;asciilifeform;nor is any raid chipset, afaik, documented to anything like the necessary level.
1117577;1430450367;asciilifeform;(go put one through disasm, if you can figure out the architecture. it's a morass of magical values being written to magical registers for magical reasons)
1117578;1430450421;asciilifeform;ditto nics, gpu, etc.
1117579;1430450424;asciilifeform;the whole shit soup.
1117580;1430450458;asciilifeform;but i think this is, at this point, known to virtually everyone.
1117581;1430450459;decimation;and also try moving the drives from one controller to another (even same make and model)
1117582;1430450812;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/nyc-police.htm << mega-l0l
1117583;1430450813;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4XzFw )
1117584;1430450864;decimation;they hardly look like baltimore residents
1117585;1430450881;asciilifeform;new york
1117586;1430450892;asciilifeform;'solidarity'
1117587;1430450895;decimation;lol
1117588;1430450945;asciilifeform;speaking of 'cryptome',
1117589;1430450955;asciilifeform;the whole snowden thing seems to have been quietly multiplied by 0, and nobody noticed.
1117590;1430450992;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently the story was suddenly uninteresting
1117591;1430451008;asciilifeform;certainly uninteresting, when no new papers
1117592;1430451056;decimation;the interesting point will be to see if anyone even mentions it in the presidential campaign
1117593;1430451069;asciilifeform;they can mention what they want:
1117594;1430451079;asciilifeform;j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign.
1117595;1430451121;asciilifeform;!s if you ask again there will be problems
1117596;1430451122;assbot;1 results for 'if you ask again there will be problems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+ask+again+there+will+be+problems
1117597;1430451127;asciilifeform;^ the legend
1117598;1430451139;BingoBoingo;If I recall Clitler in the 1990's promised to press her husband to do similar
1117599;1430451211;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/baltimore-riots.html?_r=1 < more lol "Near the burned-out CVS, Robert Wilson, a college student who went to high school in Baltimore, said: “With the riots, we’re not trying to act like animals or thugs. We’re just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we’re tired of this, like nobody wants to wake up and see broken-down buildings. They take away the
1117600;1430451213;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EV1EdD )
1117601;1430451213;decimation;community centers, they take away our fathers, and now we have traffic lights that don’t work, we have houses that are crumbling, falling down.”"
1117602;1430451264;asciilifeform;decimation: this specific idiocy was articulated as early as 1952 in ellison's 'invisible man'
1117603;1430451272;decimation;"this is all that is given to us"
1117604;1430451285;asciilifeform;in, iirc (school was long ago) specifically these wordfs
1117605;1430451287;asciilifeform;*words
1117606;1430451350;asciilifeform;to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes.
1117607;1430451370;asciilifeform;or 'taken away'
1117608;1430451379;decimation;and apparently any unwanted changes can easily be explained by the evil conspiracy of 'they'
1117609;1430451562;asciilifeform;t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all'
1117610;1430451602;decimation;this is a common failure mode even for folks outside jail
1117611;1430451637;decimation;of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure
1117612;1430451641;BingoBoingo;decimation: In East St Louis there are Stop Signs mounted to the traffic control lights
1117613;1430451676;asciilifeform;decimation: paranoia is not really the magic here, in most cases - more like standard narcissism as painted by tlp
1117614;1430451686;decimation;yeah, good point
1117615;1430451708;decimation;BingoBoingo: is there even much traffic there?
1117616;1430451718;BingoBoingo;decimation: lots
1117617;1430451761;asciilifeform;'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen
1117618;1430451782;decimation;http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the other hand, the cops are out there
1117619;1430451783;assbot;Baltimore Cop in the Hood «  Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q50xKe )
1117620;1430451783;decimation;putting their lives on the line to save their city."
1117621;1430451827;decimation;BingoBoingo: apparently the wise masters who run east st. louis have better things upon which to spend their tax dollars/bonds/whatever
1117622;1430451848;decimation;couple $10k for a traffic light just doesn't rate
1117623;1430451872;asciilifeform;'A former Baltimore cop explains things: ... The same idiots who burned shit down Monday, they�re gonna be there today and tomorrow. The cops are always dealing with them, whether they�re burning things down or not. They�re always there.'
1117624;1430451903;asciilifeform;^ betcha many of these cops would -love- to close a perimeter around these snakepits and shoot everything that moves, for sport.
1117625;1430451910;decimation;sure
1117626;1430451915;asciilifeform;the folks currently preventing them from acting on this desire - are the actual rulers.
1117627;1430451918;decimation;"We tell them to do the best they can, and then when an individual cop messes up, everybody blames the police. And cops feel strangely victimized by this system — they’re put in the middle and used as political tools."
1117628;1430451930;asciilifeform;we will know when usg falls, when this magical barrier disappears.
1117629;1430451934;decimation;asciilifeform: quite so, high level civil servants, press, etc
1117630;1430451948;asciilifeform;decimation: nah. the federal gendarmerie
1117631;1430451960;decimation;^warning to people who want to enter the us police chumpatron
1117632;1430452089;decimation;asciilifeform: what composes the 'federal gendarmerie'? fbi?
1117633;1430453204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00025296 = 3.3391 BTC [-]
1117634;1430453431;decimation;heh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/04/30/american-optimism-on-parade-at-the-fed/
1117635;1430453432;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » American optimism on parade at the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q55pPk )
1117636;1430455885;mircea_popescu;prolly going to be an endless parade as we enter into the last phase. buffett started it.
1117637;1430455943;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117518 << this. people have nfi what level of radiation counts as "background". if cosmic rays were as energetic as you know, actual matter ? we'd have serious problems. and some pretty kickass satellites.
1117638;1430455943;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 02:58:55; asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made
1117639;1430455959;mircea_popescu;cosmic ray powered space excavators and steamrollers.
1117640;1430456142;mircea_popescu;decimation : all it takes is for the entire "law enforcement" thing to be broken once. its own manzikert moment.
1117641;1430456261;mircea_popescu;"On the optimism bias, while I�ve known that these numbers have been consistently too optimistic, I always assumed that the senior leadership of the fed had access to the real data, and the numbers put out for the public were heavily, well, decorated."
1117642;1430456272;mircea_popescu;apparently the double accounting thing is obvious by now.
1117643;1430457017;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117574 << shit, i've seen .jar based raid controllers. HARDWARE raid controllers.
1117644;1430457017;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 03:18:35; asciilifeform: not afaik.
1117645;1430457252;mircea_popescu;http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/pict13.jpg << wtf is this zulu bullshit ?
1117646;1430457253;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdAJHA )
1117647;1430457541;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117611 << it'd help a lot if it simply abstained from getting in the way.
1117648;1430457541;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 03:40:37; decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure
1117649;1430457597;mircea_popescu;that's perhaps the true subtext there. "they told me not to grab womyn butt. okay, i don't. they told me not to hunt deer off the highway. ok, i don't. they told me not to make fire indoors. alright. and i don't smoke either, and apparently coke is bad. i liked coke but whatever.
1117650;1430457609;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER they also promised all sorts of shit. in exchange. where is it ?"
1117651;1430457677;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117617 << yes. most of the us, like most of mongolia, like poor india, is specifically bad because bad climate, horrible buildings, vastly misused concrete, steel, etc.
1117652;1430457677;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 03:42:41; asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen
1117653;1430457712;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117618 << this is the africa problem.
1117654;1430457712;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 03:43:02; decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the othe
1117655;1430457728;mircea_popescu;africa doesn't suck because "black people suck". africa sucks because africa is the people who were left behind.
1117656;1430457733;mircea_popescu;the people left behind always suck.
1117657;1430458570;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcQSLJHpwCA
1117658;1430458571;assbot;Shit White Girls Say To Latinas - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBEGqw )
1117659;1430463453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00026185 = 17.4392 BTC [+]
1117660;1430464673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00026185 = 2.1864 BTC [+]
1117661;1430465954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00026382 = 2.3084 BTC [+]
1117662;1430472480;jurov;https://twitter.com/CasaRosadaAR/status/593584932485779457 heh, they have no idea
1117663;1430472482;assbot;Apparently bitcoin is disrupting our economy now (?) https://t.co/8anSj29Nre
1117664;1430472948;chetty;Its election season, must have vultures to blame
1117665;1430473081;wyrdmantis;jurov: funny how many people don't understand what "disrupting" actually means
1117666;1430474196;wyrdmantis;the KnC Nasdaq thing http://xbtprovider.com/lang_en/
1117667;1430474197;assbot;XBT Provider ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ilxi )
1117668;1430474434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32887 @ 0.00026452 = 8.6993 BTC [+]
1117669;1430474525;wyrdmantis;more wallet inspectors http://www.wired.com/2015/04/circle-bitcoin-digital-wallet/
1117670;1430474526;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1iLUp )
1117671;1430475039;jurov;http://www.coindesk.com/remove-satoshi-as-founding-member-says-bitcoin-foundation-director/
1117672;1430475040;assbot;Remove Satoshi as Founding Member, Says Bitcoin Foundation Director ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1jN2D )
1117673;1430475047;jurov;yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first
1117674;1430475342;wyrdmantis;LOL let's talk about superman's suit color
1117675;1430475414;jurov;http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/ also,look who's trying to replicate the pogoplug
1117676;1430475416;assbot;Meet the company that wants to put a bitcoin miner in your toaster | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ktVI )
1117677;1430475445;jurov;(i know miner and node is not the same thing but could not resist)
1117678;1430480402;davout;asciilifeform: so i have finally acquired a dedicated SSD and a euro-plug adapter for the pogo, where do i start?
1117679;1430480407;davout;my goal when setting up the pogo is to end up with a full walkthrough that looks roughly like this -> http://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/assembly_instructions/stuva-grundlig-corbeille-en-fil__AA-420855-2_pub.PDF
1117680;1430480409;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLpF4j )
1117681;1430485382;Pierre_Rochard;;;later tell davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116638 I’ve added you to the github repo, I’ll pull together install instructions over the weekend
1117682;1430485382;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 09:25:48; davout: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard /me is pretty interested
1117683;1430485383;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1117684;1430490050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00026942 = 5.9811 BTC [+]
1117685;1430490897;mircea_popescu;!up RockHoster_
1117686;1430491467;RockHoster_;any admin
1117687;1430491468;RockHoster_;??
1117688;1430491528;mircea_popescu;'sthematter ?
1117689;1430491540;RockHoster_;https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_VPS_providers
1117690;1430491542;assbot;Comparison of VPS providers - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivx8Xk )
1117691;1430491544;RockHoster_;I want to discuss about this page.
1117692;1430491551;mircea_popescu;ok ?
1117693;1430491569;RockHoster_;Are you admin ?
1117694;1430491583;williamdunne;We can be
1117695;1430491586;williamdunne;Its a wiki page
1117696;1430491595;RockHoster_;WHy is it removed
1117697;1430491595;mircea_popescu;admin of what ? bitcoin ? the wiki you linked ? the dns system ?
1117698;1430491597;RockHoster_;??
1117699;1430491598;mircea_popescu;gotta be specific.
1117700;1430491610;RockHoster_;moderator of bitcoin.it
1117701;1430491613;williamdunne;This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
1117702;1430491613;williamdunne;    13:56, 5 April 2015 Taras (Talk | contribs) deleted page Comparison of VPS providers (content was: "{{PfD|Nobody is willing to frequently update it. It's completely useless and misleading.}} {{outdated}} VPS price comparison. Cheapest plans are shown. Based on list of providers that accept...")
1117703;1430491636;mircea_popescu;if i recall, Luke-Jr was admining that thing
1117704;1430491636;RockHoster_;Is it possible to remake this page ??
1117705;1430491644;williamdunne;Yes, its a wiki
1117706;1430491653;williamdunne;I'll do it for you if you'd like for a price
1117707;1430491676;RockHoster_;What price ?
1117708;1430491681;mircea_popescu;williamdunne afaik they restricted new accounts because nobody was giving a shit and there was too much spam
1117709;1430491697;williamdunne;And a monthly maintaining price ofc to keep it up to date
1117710;1430491705;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I have an account already
1117711;1430491722;RockHoster_;I also have a account with editing rights
1117712;1430491726;williamdunne;RockHoster_: 4 BTC initial, 1 BTC per/month after that to keep it up to date
1117713;1430491732;williamdunne;You can't edit it though or it would be shilling
1117714;1430491742;mircea_popescu;o look at that, 50 changes this month. including tonal.
1117715;1430491747;mats;i loled
1117716;1430491774;williamdunne;If its worth enough for you to come here, the price should be worth it. Not surprised that it drove a fair bit of traffic
1117717;1430491786;RockHoster_;Why was this deleted ?
1117718;1430491794;williamdunne;Because no one was keeping it up to date
1117719;1430491794;mircea_popescu;who's taras anyway
1117720;1430491803;williamdunne;Apparently people like being paid for work
1117721;1430491812;mircea_popescu;williamdunne the two propositions are contradictory neh ?
1117722;1430491816;RockHoster_;I can keep it up to date
1117723;1430491841;williamdunne;RockHoster_: You don't qualify as a neutral source
1117724;1430491849;mats;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-01/gold-manipulator-busted-after-zero-hedge-report-hft-gold-spoofing
1117725;1430491849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy3Hf )
1117726;1430491853;RockHoster_;I stay online for more than 8 hours daily
1117727;1430491867;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yeah, true. Although this page is a particularly awkward one to upkeep
1117728;1430491874;mircea_popescu;anyway, RockHoster_ : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop
1117729;1430491877;assbot;User list - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy91C )
1117730;1430491877;williamdunne;RockHoster_: Doesn't change your neutrality
1117731;1430491926;RockHoster_;So I can't moderate page
1117732;1430491956;williamdunne;No
1117733;1430491986;RockHoster_;What can I do if I want to be moderator of that page ?
1117734;1430491992;mircea_popescu;mats twist : he was manipulating it UP
1117735;1430492019;williamdunne;RockHoster_: You can't, because you're not neutral. You need someone to do it for you
1117736;1430492025;williamdunne;Not a hard concept
1117737;1430492034;williamdunne;And they can't be biased towards you ofc
1117738;1430492039;mircea_popescu;the weird wales has wrounght on the interwebs.
1117739;1430492065;mircea_popescu;RockHoster_ were you one of the participants in the "fight to be on the top" ?
1117740;1430492076;RockHoster_;Seriously I don't have 1 BTC to pay somebody
1117741;1430492078;RockHoster_;to manage
1117742;1430492095;williamdunne;Well then don't, I offered my personal price. Take it or leave it
1117743;1430492106;williamdunne;And its 4 BTC upfront, then 1 per month after that
1117744;1430492111;RockHoster_;How can I trust you ?
1117745;1430492121;mircea_popescu;RockHoster_ looky here : the REASON you don't have 1 btc to throw away is that you're spedning your time trying to manipulate an obscure wiki nobody gives a shit about.
1117746;1430492122;williamdunne;!gettrust williamdunne
1117747;1430492122;assbot;Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user williamdunne: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
1117748;1430492133;mircea_popescu;stop wasting your time, do something useful, you'll have plenty o' money eventually.
1117749;1430492146;williamdunne;RockHoster_: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
1117750;1430492147;assbot;williamdunne WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvyZvh )
1117751;1430492168;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e655795aa8cfab5ea7bde62c9aa0e2e9/tumblr_mhrf3nPRgN1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg
1117752;1430492170;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivz41V )
1117753;1430492174;RockHoster_;What benefit will I get ??
1117754;1430492182;RockHoster_;I shhould say
1117755;1430492186;RockHoster_;special benefit
1117756;1430492197;RockHoster_;If I pay you 1 BTC ??
1117757;1430492202;williamdunne;RockHoster_: You'll be on the list, you get no "special" benefit. I can't be biased towards you I will be neutral
1117758;1430492206;mircea_popescu;sigh
1117759;1430492209;mircea_popescu;!down RockHoster_
1117760;1430492215;davout;mircea_popescu: ty
1117761;1430492228;mircea_popescu;this world an' teh people in it...
1117762;1430492246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4954 @ 0.00026503 = 1.313 BTC [-]
1117763;1430492253;mircea_popescu;williamdunne how the fuck are you going to make a neutral list of "vps hosters" anyway.
1117764;1430492260;mircea_popescu;might as well sort seashells by size.
1117765;1430492273;williamdunne;Google a bunch of them, put their location and offerings on the list
1117766;1430492288;mircea_popescu;a) they're all the same size and b) every tide washes more in.
1117767;1430492316;mircea_popescu;i was under the impression "vps hosting" is the new "unlimited shared hosting" thing of the 2000s.
1117768;1430492346;williamdunne;Before I think it was data allowance, price, location and if they allow tor or not
1117769;1430492771;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1117770;1430492785;gribble;Current Blocks: 354509 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 306 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1117771;1430492799;mircea_popescu;dat none...
1117772;1430492870;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117664 << i'd love nothing more than to disrupt their economy to the point they're left begging on street corners.
1117773;1430492870;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 09:35:48; chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame
1117774;1430492873;mircea_popescu;it's slow going.
1117775;1430492948;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117673 << it's funny tho, all the fraudulent pretense. "oh, a guy we never met is a founding director, because we wish to have the implication of legitimacy that would offer. next we make george washington founding director, and edit his wikipedia to say he founded the us and our turd"
1117776;1430492948;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 10:10:47; jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first
1117777;1430492988;mircea_popescu;davout Pierre_Rochard iirc danielpbarron has a write-up somewhere.
1117778;1430493231;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117344 << always has been, always will be.
1117779;1430493231;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 00:53:04; mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ?
1117780;1430493264;pete_dushenski;despite the practical limitations, it's still cool to be ginormous.
1117781;1430493340;pete_dushenski;sorta like that louis ck bit about young black comics just being way, way fucking cooler than he could ever be
1117782;1430493444;mats;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/why-nav-sarao-had-be-destroyed-he-found-way-beat-hfts-their-own-game also good zh
1117783;1430493445;assbot;Why Nav Sarao Had To Be Destroyed: He Found A Way To Beat The HFTs At Their Own Game | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvCSAi )
1117784;1430493668;pete_dushenski;!s edgerouter
1117785;1430493669;assbot;19 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter
1117786;1430493699;pete_dushenski;^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/
1117787;1430493700;assbot;    FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite   ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvDDt4 )
1117788;1430493710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00026836 = 21.5896 BTC [+] {2} 
1117789;1430493730;pete_dushenski;or using serial comm software other than minicom ??
1117790;1430493832;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: install instructions relating to my accounting software, not pogo/bitcoin
1117791;1430493862;pete_dushenski;;;later tell decimation did you set up your edgerouter in osx ? if so, did you also have issues with minicom ?
1117792;1430493862;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1117793;1430493992;*;pete_dushenski will be using ubuntu in next edgerouter set-up attempt. 
1117794;1430494005;pete_dushenski;goddam you osx !
1117795;1430494043;mats;why ubuntu?
1117796;1430494061;pete_dushenski;why not ?
1117797;1430494198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00026942 = 8.6349 BTC [+]
1117798;1430494205;danielpbarron;!s nigbuntu
1117799;1430494206;assbot;12 results for 'nigbuntu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nigbuntu
1117800;1430494272;mats;i've rarely had a good experience with ubuntu
1117801;1430494400;pete_dushenski;mats: but not never !
1117802;1430494406;mats;basically, at work my team has a "you break it, we fix it" policy
1117803;1430494420;pete_dushenski;i'm just trying to set up this edgerouter with freebsd. nothing else.
1117804;1430494422;mats;i spend a non trivial amount of time debugging ubuntu desktops whenever people break it
1117805;1430494430;mats;its hellish, man
1117806;1430494468;mats;this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers
1117807;1430494538;pete_dushenski;serves him right ?
1117808;1430494556;pete_dushenski;wtf does anyone seriously need bluetooth for, talking while driving ?
1117809;1430494571;pete_dushenski;'wireless' speakers
1117810;1430494583;mats;i never figured out why, but the kernel seemed convinced there was a hardware switch thrown someplace
1117811;1430494603;*;mats needs to read the linux kernel
1117812;1430494616;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, oh you mean use ubuntu on the machine from which you are connecting to the edgerouter/
1117813;1430494620;mats;he had wireless headphones he wanted to use at his desk
1117814;1430494632;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: that, yes.
1117815;1430494671;pete_dushenski;mats: i don't see the appeal of wireless headphones, mostly because they're another thing to charge with another cable
1117816;1430494678;danielpbarron;not so bad; i used ubuntu to do that with pogo for my first attempted after soldering the serial thing onto it
1117817;1430494692;pete_dushenski;more battery management, which is what 'modern lyf' seems to reduce to.
1117818;1430494723;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: i figure it's worth a shot seeing as how i'm at a bit of a dead end with osx
1117819;1430494729;danielpbarron;you should better learn gentoo or something though
1117820;1430494751;danielpbarron;it's just a matter of opening a serial console or whatever?
1117821;1430494757;ben_vulpes;gentoo quest!
1117822;1430494761;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: gentoo quest
1117823;1430494817;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: that's where i'm at, yes. serial comm software 'minicom' doesn't want to work.
1117824;1430494830;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: this *will* happen.
1117825;1430494848;danielpbarron;can you try to use screen instead?
1117826;1430494860;danielpbarron;idk if screen has a port for os x
1117827;1430494907;mats;i like the idea of wireless headphones but the bluetooth stack is horribly damaged
1117828;1430494921;danielpbarron;i'm reading the thing you pasted, and the instructions are very similar to adulterating a pogo
1117829;1430494928;pete_dushenski;http://screen-osx.sourceforge.net/ ??
1117830;1430494929;assbot;                        SourceForge.net: Screen-OSX - Project Web Hosting - Open Source Software                 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EARtYp )
1117831;1430494940;mats;Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection
1117832;1430494976;mats;so... given that the out of band key exchange is the most difficult to implement, that's effectively a selective backdoor.
1117833;1430494996;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: forgive my late arrival to the thread, but why are we talking about screen on os x?
1117834;1430495030;pete_dushenski;as an alternative to minicom for serial communication between desktop and edgerouter
1117835;1430495036;ben_vulpes;aha
1117836;1430495049;mats;another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.
1117837;1430495051;ben_vulpes;sounds annoying and complicated
1117838;1430495076;pete_dushenski;setting up the edgerouter with freebsd is proving to be exactly that!
1117839;1430495091;pete_dushenski;but i shan't give in just yet.
1117840;1430495093;danielpbarron;does your serial adapter show up in /dev/ ?
1117841;1430495103;danielpbarron;because that's the most annoying part really
1117842;1430495110;ben_vulpes;ah yeah, but that's annoying and complicated with a future, unlike your current "dead end"
1117843;1430495118;ben_vulpes;anyways don't let me distract you :P
1117844;1430495147;pete_dushenski;heh
1117845;1430495185;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: good question...
1117846;1430495204;danielpbarron;"A collection of scripts that work together to manage multiple invocations of GNU Screen to overcome some of its limitations on Mac OS X."
1117847;1430495285;danielpbarron;for me, serial adapter is only accessible as root, although i think i read somewhere there are things you can do to make it work for other users
1117848;1430495335;danielpbarron;and that thing i just quoted makes it sound like screen is already on OS X; try typing   screen --version   in your terminal
1117849;1430495337;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: just checked. /dev/cu.usbserial shows up.
1117850;1430495363;pete_dushenski;'Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06'
1117851;1430495366;danielpbarron;once you have screen, it's as easy as typing screen /dev/cu.usbserial 115200
1117852;1430495422;danielpbarron;115200 is the baud rate
1117853;1430495453;pete_dushenski;tried. 'no such file or directory'
1117854;1430495495;danielpbarron;for me, the serial adapter is numbered
1117855;1430495512;danielpbarron;like /dev/ttyUSB0
1117856;1430495556;danielpbarron;i'm surprised it says the file doesn't exist when you say you saw it in /dev/
1117857;1430495609;pete_dushenski;i'm as confused as anyone !
1117858;1430495787;danielpbarron;if you do wind up using ubuntu, the live cd is suitable ; you can even "install" screen to the temporary system without actually writing to your hard drive
1117859;1430496437;pete_dushenski;okie dokie, pete the n00b might've just isolated the issue...
1117860;1430496474;pete_dushenski;instead of establishing a serial connection with 'edgeos' first, i installed freebsd on the usb drive first
1117861;1430496504;pete_dushenski;so unconfigured freebsd has no way of talking to minicom or anything else. it's just a file on a drive.
1117862;1430496510;pete_dushenski;a fucktard is me.
1117863;1430496532;pete_dushenski;now to see if i can re-install edgeos and start over :)
1117864;1430496604;davout;danielpbarron: so, do you have instructions on how to set up the pogo? does it necessarily imply soldering wizardry?
1117865;1430496695;ben_vulpes;davout: danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
1117866;1430496718;davout;ben_vulpes: ty
1117867;1430496874;davout;hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything
1117868;1430496889;davout;maybe i misunderstood something
1117869;1430497462;danielpbarron;no soldering necessary
1117870;1430497497;davout;haha, ok nice, guess i'm going to put the pogo back together then :-)
1117871;1430497535;danielpbarron;as long as you don't botch the re-flash, it should be possible to do everything over ethernet
1117872;1430497652;davout;ok, sounds much better wrt industrializing their setup
1117873;1430497749;davout;so the first thing i should do is try to access it through SSH, and work from there, right?
1117874;1430497934;danielpbarron;yes
1117875;1430497973;danielpbarron;the thing has a built in method for turning on ssh without any extreme modifications, and from there you can do all else
1117876;1430498000;davout;yeah, the curl bit if i understand correctly
1117877;1430498128;pete_dushenski;lulz. $lnkd -25% on the week. go social media go !
1117878;1430498825;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1117879;1430498898;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitgo-files-multisig-patent-application-joining-other-bitcoin-patent-parasites/
1117880;1430498899;assbot;BitGo Files MultiSig Patent Application Joining Other Bitcoin Patent Parasites | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KA9ech )
1117881;1430498900;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117786 << i did
1117882;1430498900;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 15:21:39; pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/
1117883;1430498925;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117789 << again, did
1117884;1430498925;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 15:22:10; pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ??
1117885;1430499042;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117867 << not only this, but can reflash without any physical parts at all, from stock os
1117886;1430499042;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 16:14:34; davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything
1117887;1430499062;ascii_field;or even enable tftp and use experimental os (e.g., mine) without reflashing at all
1117888;1430499075;ascii_field;and without swapping physical sticks
1117889;1430499159;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: what serial comm software did you use ?
1117890;1430499164;davout;ascii_field: so what's the simplest way of doing it?
1117891;1430499278;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: 'screen'
1117892;1430499287;ascii_field;https://www.gnu.org/software/screen
1117893;1430499288;assbot;GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1EISsXN )
1117894;1430499304;ascii_field;davout: doing what ?
1117895;1430499347;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: aha. cheers.
1117896;1430499383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00025495 = 6.6924 BTC [-] {2} 
1117897;1430499413;davout;ascii_field: i have the physical pogos you gave me, an ethernet cable, a power adapter, an internet connection, a few usb sticks, a working debian, and a 120gb sata disk that fits in the pogo. what's the easiest way to set it up as a bitcoin node
1117898;1430499426;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117806 << sounds EXACTLY like windowsuntu.
1117899;1430499426;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 15:34:28; mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers
1117900;1430499437;ascii_field;davout: folow danielpbarron's instructions
1117901;1430499472;ascii_field;davout: be aware that we don't have a battlefield-ready 0.5.3.x as of yet.
1117902;1430499493;danielpbarron;i'm rewriting some stuff now, adding to wiki
1117903;1430499543;danielpbarron;on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync
1117904;1430499543;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117836 << coincidentally, the coincidental coincidences coincide.
1117905;1430499543;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 15:44:09; mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.
1117906;1430499569;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: did the ssd make it ?
1117907;1430499575;danielpbarron;at least, not running on ArchLinux; perhaps with optimizations it could catch up
1117908;1430499589;ascii_field;<danielpbarron> on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync << i spoke of this briefly at c3. the almost deadly-certain explanation is that there is no ram to spare for the customary disk cache
1117909;1430499598;ascii_field;so pogo node lives or dies by the actual speed of the drive.
1117910;1430499620;mircea_popescu;ascii_field actually... a disk cache wouldn't need to be much larger than what, 1mb ?
1117911;1430499629;danielpbarron;comes as no surprise to me; that's exactly the bottle neck i ran into when first getting into running a node
1117912;1430499634;mircea_popescu;maybe reiserfs would fix it.
1117913;1430499638;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is normally a readahead cache
1117914;1430499645;ascii_field;so needs to be 16-64MB at min.
1117915;1430499658;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, my SSD one is still going and I have no reason to suspect it won't eventually sync
1117916;1430499668;danielpbarron;currently at height=339674
1117917;1430499684;mircea_popescu;almost there danielpbarron
1117918;1430499711;pete_dushenski;excellent.
1117919;1430499731;danielpbarron;the 5400 rpm one with an up-to-date data dir copied in goes just fast enough to stay about 200 blocks behind the rest of the network at all times; perhaps slowly losing ground
1117920;1430499742;ascii_field;http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << see also.
1117921;1430499743;assbot;Experiments and fun with the Linux disk cache ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITva3 )
1117922;1430499776;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron nuts.
1117923;1430499787;ascii_field;^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all.
1117924;1430499791;mircea_popescu;so basically... current blocks are just big enough to interdict 5400 rpm
1117925;1430499797;davout;danielpbarron: in your docs, 2.2.2 refer to building a kernel for the workstation talking to the pogo, not building a kernel for the pogo itself, or am i heavily confused?
1117926;1430499808;davout;(referring to http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt)
1117927;1430499809;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITNxL )
1117928;1430499809;mats;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/01/us-goldman-sachs-aleynikov-verdict-idUSKBN0NM43V20150501
1117929;1430499811;assbot;      NY jury finds ex-Goldman programer Aleynikov guilty of code theft| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITPpf )
1117930;1430499819;danielpbarron;davout, yeah that's why i'm rewriting; it's about the workstation connecting to pogo
1117931;1430499820;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: with leaky 0.5.3, and on box with 128m, yes
1117932;1430499834;danielpbarron;davout, only necessary if your doing the serial connection soldering thing
1117933;1430499838;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no, "5400 rpm, no caching"
1117934;1430499868;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha
1117935;1430499891;danielpbarron;all you need is to install some sort of TFTP server on your workstation, and use the built in flashing tools of pogo to set some parameters to connect to your workstation when it boots
1117936;1430499905;mircea_popescu;so basically, "5400 rpm"
1117937;1430499925;ascii_field;'A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich.'
1117938;1430499927;mircea_popescu;"The conviction came two days after the judge overseeing the case removed two jurors after a conflict between the two marred deliberations.
1117939;1430499927;davout;danielpbarron: which i'm not (doing the serial thing), so it's not very clear to me how to build the kernel and software that'll actually run on the pogo once it's ready
1117940;1430499927;mircea_popescu;The judge said on Wednesday that letting 10 jurors proceed, not 12, amounted to "uncharted territory," but Marino said that his client agreed to the smaller jury."
1117941;1430499928;mircea_popescu;herp.
1117942;1430499966;danielpbarron;davout, i'm not aware of how to do that; i've only ever used ascii's pre-built kernels i think
1117943;1430499968;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "jury of your peers" in the us = "the mentally ill"
1117944;1430499975;*;ascii_field has seen it alive
1117945;1430500015;ascii_field;davout, danielpbarron: to build kernel, see my instructions on the listserv
1117946;1430500030;Adlai;"A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich."
1117947;1430500034;danielpbarron;my documentation needs massive overhaul lol
1117948;1430500035;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
1117949;1430500035;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIUoiS )
1117950;1430500045;Adlai;oh ascii_field just pasted this. nvm
1117951;1430500244;davout;danielpbarron ascii_field ah i see, i wasn't aware that alf had a pre-built kernel that's to be used, i'll work from there, also i'll document everything I do, so maybe you won't need to spend time updating your docs
1117952;1430500259;ascii_field;davout: it isn't meant to be fired in anger
1117953;1430500262;ascii_field;please build own kernel
1117954;1430500270;mats;https://www.udacity.com/course/advanced-operating-systems--ud189 this is pretty good
1117955;1430500273;assbot;Advanced Operating Systems - Udacity ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIV9sq )
1117956;1430500279;ascii_field;i certainly have no intention of distributing bins every time we path
1117957;1430500280;ascii_field;*patch
1117958;1430500287;davout;ascii_field: my mission is to idiot-proof the process :D
1117959;1430500343;davout;but i guess it can also be fun to do the whole thing, maybe i'll end-up with two sets of docs the "advanced" version and the "i just want this goddamn thing running" version
1117960;1430500461;mircea_popescu;davout good idea.
1117961;1430500512;davout;i think both are required, one for the folks who want to inspect, audit or otherwise fuck with the device, and one to turn a crate of stock pogos into node as fast as possible
1117962;1430500587;mircea_popescu;especially the "document everything i do" part.
1117963;1430500613;mircea_popescu;the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine
1117964;1430500634;mircea_popescu;and an actual software environment is exactly that : a. people doing jobs 100% and b) documenting this process 100%.
1117965;1430500664;ascii_field;world's best smith cannot mold bullet from shit.
1117966;1430500669;Adlai;!up ascii_field
1117967;1430500670;ascii_field;no matter how documented.
1117968;1430500675;mircea_popescu;and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree.
1117969;1430500683;mircea_popescu;with a dull spork.
1117970;1430500724;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the only shit here is in the heads of, again, every white us male with a college degree.
1117971;1430500738;mircea_popescu;from paul graham to the rackhoster derp above.
1117972;1430500757;pete_dushenski;i'll definitely be documenting my edgerouter rampage.
1117973;1430500760;mircea_popescu;even basic would work, if not for them.
1117974;1430500767;mircea_popescu;(which is what ada is, after all)
1117975;1430500819;ascii_field;the tech stack is rotten all the way down.
1117976;1430500832;mircea_popescu;yes. from the fontanelle to the spine.
1117977;1430500833;ascii_field;(don't take my word for it, it is quite apparent)
1117978;1430500902;ascii_field;but mircea_popescu has a point, in that it is necessary to kill the mice before cleaning up their shit - otherwise it is a waste of time, there will be infinite shit
1117979;1430500913;trinque;mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. << heh, my balls are safe then
1117980;1430500919;mircea_popescu;moreover, once the mice are killed, the shit self-cleans.
1117981;1430500932;ascii_field;self-cleans ?
1117982;1430500933;ascii_field;how ?!
1117983;1430500938;mircea_popescu;well, turns into earth.
1117984;1430500958;mircea_popescu;you consider a meadow "clean" or "dirty" ?
1117985;1430500994;ascii_field;poor analogy. usians still can't rid themselves of 120v
1117986;1430501006;mircea_popescu;yes. but the world IS.
1117987;1430501006;Adlai;somehow the streets of tel aviv are still paved with cement, beneath the dog shit
1117988;1430501016;mircea_popescu;because by now what the usians do is slightly more relevant than what the mongols do.
1117989;1430501052;mircea_popescu;a slightly greater, slightly more relatively advanced empire, slightly longer ago.
1117990;1430501149;ascii_field;http://www.np.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2t4557/paypals_investigation_of_laptop_purchased_on_ebay << schizo gold
1117991;1430501152;assbot;PayPal's investigation of laptop purchased on eBay that was interdicted, infected and implanted : privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIXqnl )
1117992;1430501213;mircea_popescu;ascii_field more on point : consider how much of the windows turdball self-cleanned by simply making gpg required for voice here.
1117993;1430501227;mircea_popescu;"oh, can't get in". "well... so from the other perspective... you no longer exist ?"
1117994;1430501233;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this cleaned people, not tech
1117995;1430501241;mircea_popescu;right.
1117996;1430501247;mircea_popescu;people and their productions.
1117997;1430501570;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Earlier this year Chin-hao Hu and Pai-tsung Hsu over the process of generating a Bitcoin transaction offline for which they would assign "Intellectual Property" rights to themselves." << missing verb ?
1117998;1430501617;BingoBoingo;fxd
1117999;1430501659;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/#comment-20712 << who's this guy anyway
1118000;1430501660;assbot;Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqlN3X )
1118001;1430501679;mircea_popescu;ascii_field is he the ninjashoo /
1118002;1430501703;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'sapien' ?
1118003;1430501729;mircea_popescu;yeh
1118004;1430501746;ascii_field;it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires
1118005;1430501760;ascii_field;how can i know, is it one tree, six, or forty-six
1118006;1430501780;mircea_popescu;this particular detachment between words and things...
1118007;1430501783;mircea_popescu;i guess you're right
1118008;1430501805;ascii_field;appealing in trees. in people - not so much
1118009;1430501857;mircea_popescu;by the way, am i the only foreigner that thinks southern dialects a lot more expressive, interesting and developed than yankee english ?
1118010;1430501888;*;ascii_field hasn't enough exposure to the former, to say
1118011;1430502019;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g
1118012;1430502020;assbot;Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqmRov )
1118013;1430502020;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: you are not
1118014;1430502021;mircea_popescu;good primer
1118015;1430502076;Adlai;the south considered themselves closer to the commonwealth than to the yanks
1118016;1430502106;trinque;2:36 what's uuuup
1118017;1430502111;ascii_field;see also 'the mind of the south' (w. j. cash) - mega-recommended
1118018;1430502118;ascii_field;(engl.)
1118019;1430502134;Adlai;and/or "The Killer Angels"
1118020;1430502168;ascii_field;had interesting thesis - that cotton only worked on small fraction of land available, and the rest was left mostly alone to the non-slaveholding inhabitants, with minimal statal footprint
1118021;1430502217;trinque;southerners like their govts dysfunctional at best
1118022;1430502229;trinque;tx legislature meets every two years, mostly to talk about doing nothing
1118023;1430502266;mircea_popescu;ascii_field in any case the wisdom was to keep the taxes low and the government minimal, because large plantation owners know best what to do with resources.
1118024;1430502274;mircea_popescu;in a sense it was the HRE of the american continent.
1118025;1430502299;trinque;in previous conversations about the need for privilege it has occurred to me that tx seems to have this
1118026;1430502322;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: according to cash, it was rather because southern states ran extraction economy of soil and slave, but did not need the non-planter whites for anything - so left alone (as 'fremen', in 'dune')
1118027;1430502324;trinque;there are parts of cities you can't possibly live in without wealth
1118028;1430502334;trinque;with proper walls around them
1118029;1430502337;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1118030;1430502369;mircea_popescu;bad move, too. idleness is the mother of devilness or how's that called.
1118031;1430502376;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: they did not even need to exterminate them to vacate space, because most of the soil was not cotton-grade.
1118032;1430502396;ascii_field;arbeit macht frei (tm)
1118033;1430502440;mircea_popescu;there's some contemporary records of "trying to get a cotton farm going", by people without the resoruces and without the intelligence to understand resources at all.
1118034;1430502448;mircea_popescu;reads a lot like the stories of the "web start-up culture"
1118035;1430502458;mats;its amusing there's an actual /r/badBIOS subreddit
1118036;1430502473;mircea_popescu;same "they're moving up and down on a patch of land ; we're moving up and down on a patch of land. what the hell's the difference!"
1118037;1430502479;ascii_field;mats: and it is all full of one particular species, yes
1118038;1430502484;trinque;I consider TX a highly redeemable part of the US
1118039;1430502496;mircea_popescu;trinque san antonio was easily my favourite us town
1118040;1430502501;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1118041;1430502502;trinque;great place
1118042;1430502505;trinque;Austin, mine
1118043;1430502513;ascii_field;mats: the kind of schizo that seems to live and breathe solely to discredit actual investigation into usg shenanigans
1118044;1430502544;ascii_field;i do not know if they grow naturally or have to be cultivated - but they serve this purpose.
1118045;1430502568;mats;readers of the log: badBIOS is a hoax, although the principle of the thing is entirely achievable
1118046;1430502584;mircea_popescu;ascii_field do you think 50 shades of gray exists to discredit actual bdsm / harry potter exists to discredit actual fiction ?
1118047;1430502584;ascii_field;mats: see also 'piltdown man'
1118048;1430502612;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: nah those are more like 'kraft food' vs actual food
1118049;1430502620;ascii_field;buffetized extruded product.
1118050;1430502625;mircea_popescu;same thing here.
1118051;1430502639;mircea_popescu;in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.
1118052;1430502685;ascii_field;let's peek back a few decades to the folks who were listening to cia broadcasts with their tooth amalgams
1118053;1430502693;trinque;somebody in the south needs to start screaming about anti-communism and they'd get far.
1118054;1430502701;ascii_field;the physical principle - is sound, demonstrated.
1118055;1430502706;trinque;average texans are not at all afraid of the idea of secession
1118056;1430502712;trinque;common conversation topic
1118057;1430502728;mircea_popescu;ascii_field let's go over this soundness.
1118058;1430502732;trinque;and I don't mean this play-ball tea party thing
1118059;1430502735;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: rectifier
1118060;1430502740;mircea_popescu;so it is in principle possible to transform energy from state to state.
1118061;1430502754;mircea_popescu;now, seeing how vibration in the audible frequency for teeth has a calculable minimum,
1118062;1430502763;mircea_popescu;we can in fact calculate the power of the cia antenna required. correct ?
1118063;1430502785;ascii_field;postulate a distance
1118064;1430502795;mircea_popescu;right, for a postulated distance.
1118065;1430502840;mircea_popescu;"Ebay did grant my item not as described case. However, Ebay didn't acknowledge that an interdicted, tampered, infected and implanted device is an item not described.
1118066;1430502859;mircea_popescu;this is strictly correct. an item tampered with by the government is not, legally, an item distinct from an item not tampered with by the government.
1118067;1430502877;ascii_field;as a very small boy, i listened to a 'radio' consisted of a handset speaker from a busted telephone (circa 1940s?) and a diode (pulled out of ancient bobbin deck, also thrown out window by someone)
1118068;1430502877;mircea_popescu;this is exactly why government may not continue to exist.
1118069;1430502888;ascii_field;this was possible because su loved am radio
1118070;1430502970;mircea_popescu;but the diode was not made out of your dead dog.
1118071;1430502983;ascii_field;nope
1118072;1430502985;mircea_popescu;moreover, the "listening to cia" people do not plug speakers into their teeth.
1118073;1430502989;ascii_field;germanium diode
1118074;1430503003;ascii_field;people do not plug speakers into their teeth << bone conduction
1118075;1430503004;mircea_popescu;so... you know. yes "it's possible". however, doing it on dentine and lead... tough job.
1118076;1430503033;mircea_popescu;yes yes. just pointing out to you that while it is theoretically possible, it is improbable it ever was practically achieved either by accident or by hobbists.
1118077;1430503048;mircea_popescu;for that matter, cold fusion is just as theoretically possible.
1118078;1430503065;ascii_field;!s palladium deuteride
1118079;1430503066;assbot;1 results for 'palladium deuteride' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=palladium+deuteride
1118080;1430503152;mircea_popescu;so listen alf, i had an exceptional plate of deviled eggs last night... ate 18^H^H 19^H^H 27 of the suckers
1118081;1430503169;mircea_popescu;but you know... it kinda didn't sit well... so i let out this huge burp... and i think it all went into my cavity or something
1118082;1430503174;mircea_popescu;because i got cold fusion going!
1118083;1430503211;ascii_field;this is how 'fuck you i'm a dragon' probably began.
1118084;1430503212;ascii_field;l0l
1118085;1430503248;mircea_popescu;myeah lol
1118086;1430503339;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTg >> actually prolly better example.
1118087;1430503340;assbot;Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 3 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkxD4v )
1118088;1430503347;mircea_popescu;"he's so dumb, he could throw himself on the ground and miss"
1118089;1430503355;mircea_popescu;"when she hauls ass, she gotta make two trips"
1118090;1430503430;mircea_popescu;!up Asenath
1118091;1430503435;mircea_popescu;heh.
1118092;1430503522;trinque;mircea_popescu: my biz partner's dad has all kinds of them
1118093;1430503527;trinque;"does the pope shit in his hat?"
1118094;1430503548;mircea_popescu;lol
1118095;1430503573;trinque;"busier than a cat with two asses" << loads of variations on that one
1118096;1430503575;mircea_popescu;see, but that's the sort of person that's worth getting drunk
1118097;1430503590;mircea_popescu;"more worried than a cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs"
1118098;1430503591;trinque;ah shit his whole family's a hoot drunk
1118099;1430503605;mircea_popescu;and what else is life all about i ask ye!
1118100;1430503610;trinque;not a damn thing
1118101;1430503641;mircea_popescu;btw, you know how the pope hat thing came about ?
1118102;1430503643;ascii_field;https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/comments/2y8ufv/badbios_other_sources_emit_transcranial << typical
1118103;1430503644;assbot;BadBIOS & other sources emit Transcranial Ultrasound ('TUS') which down-regulates neural activity causing dead zombie brain : badBIOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqsaEk )
1118104;1430503659;trinque;mircea_popescu: hows that
1118105;1430503676;mircea_popescu;ascii_field people are on reddit so as to be with other like minded people. it is a social function. what words they say... "world's best dad!"
1118106;1430503711;mircea_popescu;trinque see, if you've ever seen if (1=1) in code you comprehend this literary device. "have you ever whipped a woman ?" "does the bear shit in the woods ?"
1118107;1430503723;mircea_popescu;the ~other~ stock 1=1 answer being, "does the pope wear a funny hat"
1118108;1430503735;mircea_popescu;as time went by, the two were merged into one, and so...
1118109;1430503737;ascii_field;'does the pope shit in the woods'
1118110;1430503739;ascii_field;(tm)
1118111;1430503744;mircea_popescu;lol
1118112;1430503746;trinque;oh yeah, of course
1118113;1430503752;ascii_field;(most common variant where i live)
1118114;1430503753;mircea_popescu;yes, and napoleon has an infinite number of arms.
1118115;1430503757;mircea_popescu;know that one ?
1118116;1430503763;ascii_field;aha
1118117;1430503888;mircea_popescu;"she's so skinny she's gonna fall through her butt and hang herself"
1118118;1430503914;trinque;LOL
1118119;1430503935;mircea_popescu;"she could hoola hoop in a cheerio"
1118120;1430503936;trinque;can't even make fun of people in portland; how's anyone supposed to tell a joke
1118121;1430503978;mircea_popescu;!up Luke-Jr
1118122;1430504026;Luke-Jr;I just wanted to LOL at the convo with RockHoster earlier. I was going to say "the maintainer doesn't *need* to be unbiased", but then I saw https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User_talk:RockHoster
1118123;1430504028;assbot;User talk:RockHoster - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkz9U3 )
1118124;1430504080;mircea_popescu;guy's got a boner for that page.
1118125;1430504163;Luke-Jr;yeah, I'm kinda surprised he didn't take williamdunne's offer
1118126;1430504232;mircea_popescu;5 btc ? sure, he could amortize $1000 in advertising expenses just as soon as the wiki gets twelve trillion pageviews or something.
1118127;1430504264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 888 @ 0.00151173 = 1.3424 BTC [-]
1118128;1430504365;davout;"So... You changed the name of your service so you could be on top of an obscure list? Taras (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)" <<< that's pretty SOP with locksmiths in the yellow pages
1118129;1430504383;trinque;AAA
1118130;1430504385;trinque;ABC
1118131;1430504390;mircea_popescu;eh it was also standard with whores at some point
1118132;1430504401;mircea_popescu;fuckin gridiculous everyone was amber angel and whatever
1118133;1430504645;ben_vulpes;gringodiculous
1118134;1430504755;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron hey, ask fowler (https://twitter.com/WomenSouthern) if she wants to do a "shit southern women say about bitcoin" sponsored thing ?
1118135;1430504930;davout;here, everyone is "ABC Express Locksmith"
1118136;1430505051;mircea_popescu;Aardwark Locksmiths & Irony ?
1118137;1430505072;davout;:D
1118138;1430505103;davout;sounds like a cool job, get calls at night about lost keys, show up with a drill and a spare, bill $maxint
1118139;1430505128;mircea_popescu;maxint my foot. it's like $100 or so.
1118140;1430505139;mircea_popescu;back when people could actually wake me up it was a lot more than that.
1118141;1430505379;davout;heh, guess you're right, happened to me back in the day, guess my brain at the time recorded 80€ as 'holy shit, lots of money'
1118142;1430505412;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1118143;1430505488;*;ascii_field pictures a sciencefiction story, set in the world of 'shall be delivered', about a fella who forgot a key and goes to a specialist who 'helps remember'
1118144;1430505705;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078941 << how to initially get fw_printenv to tell pogo to boot kernel over TFTP in the future?
1118145;1430505705;assbot;Logged on 29-03-2015 18:21:35; asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.
1118146;1430505851;danielpbarron;stock pogo does not come with this tool, but it does come with nandwrite, flash_erase, and flash_eraseall
1118147;1430505920;trinque;danielpbarron: one of the vars in there sets the boot order
1118148;1430505928;trinque;there was some command to dump out all vars
1118149;1430505942;trinque;should be able to spot it; the value of it names other vars iirc comma separated
1118150;1430505949;danielpbarron;those commands are available from within uBoot
1118151;1430505966;trinque;yeah
1118152;1430505973;danielpbarron;and can also be used from the OS, but they don't come standard with an unmodified pogo
1118153;1430505981;ascii_field;danielpbarron: on stock pogo you need fw_printenv (or serial cable) to get into uboot console
1118154;1430506005;ascii_field;simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use.
1118155;1430506028;danielpbarron;yes, so what is the easiest way to get fw_printenv on a new unit ? just copy it over from workstation ? or is it easier to reflash with your own kernel using the stock nandwrite tool
1118156;1430506033;danielpbarron;ah
1118157;1430506058;trinque;I stuck a debian install on one of the attached drives as a workspace
1118158;1430506067;trinque;works pretty well
1118159;1430506076;danielpbarron;yeah that's what i'm ircing from
1118160;1430506224;danielpbarron;what is the easiest way to make your own fw_printenv ? is this something that come out of the same process that makes the kernel ?
1118161;1430506277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00025601 = 7.0147 BTC [+]
1118162;1430506279;ascii_field;danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0
1118163;1430506286;ascii_field;which contains config vars for uboot
1118164;1430506295;ascii_field;this in turn used kernel's nand driv.
1118165;1430506300;ascii_field;nothing high-tech
1118166;1430506704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35964 @ 0.00026942 = 9.6894 BTC [+]
1118167;1430506762;davout;so i'm currently connected to the Pogo through SSH, pretty easy so far
1118168;1430506780;davout;not sure how one compiles U-Boot though
1118169;1430506783;davout;danielpbarron: ^
1118170;1430506793;ascii_field;davout: 'buildroot' also builds uboot
1118171;1430506894;davout;ascii_field: ok, i should be able to get it from your binaries amirite
1118172;1430506911;davout;(starting with the 'simple' version of my guide)
1118173;1430506971;davout;meh, nvm, i'll do the full version first, and dumb it down afterwards
1118174;1430507024;davout;ascii_field: should i start straight with your v2 patches ?
1118175;1430507128;ascii_field;davout: they apply on top of v1
1118176;1430507155;davout;aok, ty, sorry for my noobish questions!
1118177;1430507193;danielpbarron;seems as though the stock pogo is configured to look for a TFTP server without any modification ->  bootcmd=bootp; setenv bootargs root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath} ip=${ipaddr}:${serverip}:${gatewayip}:${netmask}:${hostname}::off; bootm
1118178;1430507242;ascii_field;danielpbarron: bootp ?
1118179;1430507251;*;ascii_field has no idea how to set up bootp, did not try this
1118180;1430507257;danielpbarron;boot image via network using BOOTP/TFTP protocol
1118181;1430507261;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1118182;1430507281;jurov;!mpif
1118183;1430507282;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]
1118184;1430507288;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1118185;1430507288;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC)
1118186;1430507756;mats;market doesn't look impressed by TSLA's "Powerwall"
1118187;1430507835;jurov;it was already expected for some time, no?
1118188;1430507863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025601 = 3.7121 BTC [-]
1118189;1430507932;mats;yeah
1118190;1430507941;jurov;price seems fair, i'd like to see how quickly will they able to produce
1118191;1430507965;mats;i'm still strapped in, gonna reevaluate my position when they finally produce an electric utility truck
1118192;1430507973;jurov;and when will they come to europe
1118193;1430507990;mircea_popescu;why not a power plant.
1118194;1430508005;jurov;powerplant is extra
1118195;1430508022;mircea_popescu;i don't think they stand a chance in europe, for teh record.
1118196;1430508029;mircea_popescu;for onbe thing, european cars don't suck.
1118197;1430508048;mircea_popescu;the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s.
1118198;1430508050;mats;i can already imagine the advertisements --
1118199;1430508085;mats;tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers
1118200;1430508130;mats;after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig
1118201;1430508215;jurov;in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes)
1118202;1430509019;*;ascii_field notices gigantic gap in log
1118203;1430509079;mod6;the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right?
1118204;1430509083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00025531 = 8.4125 BTC [-] {2} 
1118205;1430509090;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1118206;1430509098;davout;danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ?
1118207;1430509108;ascii_field;davout: yes, and i proposed this
1118208;1430509121;jurov;ascii_field: i was here, really nothing happened
1118209;1430509122;ascii_field;they oughta plug into one another, for 'breath of life'
1118210;1430509141;ascii_field;jurov: looking for mar. 27
1118211;1430509145;ascii_field;might just be broken search
1118212;1430509151;davout;interdasting
1118213;1430509222;ascii_field;ok, log is intact
1118214;1430509229;ascii_field;search - does not work worth a damn.
1118215;1430509236;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << application for that 'tesla' battery.
1118216;1430509236;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
1118217;1430509249;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> 'does the pope shit in the woods' << Does the bear shit in the pope?
1118218;1430509464;ascii_field;;;seen Chillum
1118219;1430509464;gribble;Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing
1118220;1430509524;kakobrekla;ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync
1118221;1430509536;kakobrekla;what happened to chillum?
1118222;1430509551;ascii_field;damned if i know
1118223;1430509571;kakobrekla;;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search?
1118224;1430509572;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1118225;1430509619;ascii_field;chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like.
1118226;1430509620;ascii_field;who knows.
1118227;1430509653;Adlai;didn't that happen to the chemist's son?
1118228;1430509663;ascii_field;traditional rhyme
1118229;1430509772;danielpbarron;mod6> the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? << http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/
1118230;1430509775;assbot;Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMyUB9 )
1118231;1430509781;mod6;Thank you
1118232;1430509820;ascii_field;^ the very same
1118233;1430509830;ascii_field;that was handed out at c3
1118234;1430509885;mod6;ok awesome, got one in my cart.
1118235;1430509991;mod6;alrighty, ordered. thanks again.
1118236;1430511830;mats;mike_c: some unexpected behavior with your web wot thing: when searching with the input 'Chillum', a corresponding drop-down option appears, and when i click 'View User', it directs me to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/', a 404. when I click the option in the drop-down combo box, I'm directed to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum', also a 404
1118237;1430512830;mike_c;well that's odd.
1118238;1430512914;mike_c;oh ffs
1118239;1430512933;mike_c;is this shit case sensitive or not?
1118240;1430512978;mike_c;kakobrekla: are the usernames case sensitive?  could there be a KAKObrekla and a kakobrekla?
1118241;1430513038;mike_c;!register mike_c
1118242;1430513038;assbot;Nick mike_c is already taken.
1118243;1430513043;mike_c;!register MIKE_c
1118244;1430513043;assbot;Nick mike_c is already taken.
1118245;1430513055;mike_c;nvmnd
1118246;1430513247;kakobrekla;!registers second parameter is keyid
1118247;1430513255;kakobrekla;but anyway, no.
1118248;1430513267;kakobrekla;second, and only parameter.
1118249;1430513276;kakobrekla;eh
1118250;1430513279;kakobrekla;first actually
1118251;1430513287;kakobrekla;cant be second and only
1118252;1430513292;kakobrekla;does not compute
1118253;1430513367;MIKE_c;!register flub
1118254;1430513367;assbot;Nick MIKE_c is already taken.
1118255;1430513376;mike_c;grazie
1118256;1430513683;mike_c;mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon.
1118257;1430515380;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> cant be second and only << win.
1118258;1430515924;BingoBoingo;https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/04/racism.png&w=1484
1118259;1430515925;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2LcRC )
1118260;1430515967;BingoBoingo;The northeast, most racist part of 'Murica
1118261;1430515982;BingoBoingo;Damn Yankees
1118262;1430515985;mircea_popescu;i thought it was going to be trilema
1118263;1430516041;mircea_popescu;for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit.
1118264;1430516063;BingoBoingo;Sure, but tis te Washington Post, what can you truly expect
1118265;1430516073;mircea_popescu;ie, only the derpington post thinks so.
1118266;1430516078;mircea_popescu;right
1118267;1430516262;mircea_popescu;nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to.
1118268;1430516302;mircea_popescu;kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1
1118269;1430516360;BingoBoingo;Right
1118270;1430516380;mircea_popescu;so how about the washington post is no longer allowed to say the r word.
1118271;1430516407;mircea_popescu;or the d word, for that matter.
1118272;1430516427;mircea_popescu;also the e word. are there more vulgar obscenities the libertards use ?
1118273;1430516466;mircea_popescu;r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words.
1118274;1430516505;trinque;"progress"
1118275;1430516526;mircea_popescu;they don't really say that anymore. even "progressive"'s gone down the drain
1118276;1430516563;mircea_popescu;must suck to be one of those people, always stuck with a new word nest like a god damned cuckoo
1118277;1430516794;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, the bald eagle is an anachronism the cuckoo is the us symbol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Reed_warbler_cuckoo.jpg
1118278;1430516795;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NjVz )
1118279;1430516799;cazalla;enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz
1118280;1430516835;cazalla;muh cultural adoption, muh racism
1118281;1430516882;BingoBoingo;Cuckoo seems apt nao
1118282;1430516978;trinque;cazalla: hadn't seen this, goddamn hilarious
1118283;1430516991;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do
1118284;1430516992;assbot;Tokyo Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJzno9 )
1118285;1430517032;cazalla;yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones
1118286;1430517958;jurov;https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then?
1118287;1430517960;assbot;Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2QnB9 )
1118288;1430524241;mike_c;mats: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum/
1118289;1430524242;assbot;Chillum WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXJPbJ )
1118290;1430524333;mike_c;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here's my problem.  Sending my loyal customers to this page is a bad user experience.  http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E
1118291;1430524333;assbot;Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXK6eE )
1118292;1430524361;mike_c;maybe a very simple "not found" page?
1118293;1430527027;mircea_popescu;mike_c i can see it. which is why i kept pushing for the processing. the idea being that we have ~2mn keys which asciilifeform is going to have the machine cut through like tonight.
1118294;1430527034;mircea_popescu;so can you live with it for a matter of days ?
1118295;1430527046;mike_c;ah, so many fewer misses?  yeah, there's no rush
1118296;1430527078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00026215 = 10.6171 BTC [+]
1118297;1430527087;mircea_popescu;ideally no misses, seeing how everyone in wot also had their key in the sks db
1118298;1430527103;mircea_popescu;but there will be misses with newer keys. so what'd be the best approach for that ?
1118299;1430527155;mike_c;Ideally?  It's a fingerprint search.  So if it misses, I would have it search sks for the fingerprint and show a page asking if you'd like to add that key.
1118300;1430527170;mircea_popescu;it should just directly add it if it finds it actually.
1118301;1430527177;mike_c;alternatively, a simple 'fingerprint not found' would suffice
1118302;1430527185;mircea_popescu;nah it should add it.
1118303;1430527219;mircea_popescu;jurov i know she was engaged at some point...
1118304;1430527329;mircea_popescu;"new york times and internationally bestselling author"
1118305;1430527333;mircea_popescu;srsly ? who the fuck is kelly oxford.
1118306;1430527377;mircea_popescu;oh i see. "i'm twitter famous!" "meaning ?" "not famous."
1118307;1430527505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 850 @ 0.00151981 = 1.2918 BTC [+] {3} 
1118308;1430528159;cazalla;http://humanitariansoftinder.com/
1118309;1430528160;assbot;Humanitarians of Tinder ... ( http://bit.ly/1zljaFi )
1118310;1430528540;mircea_popescu;2nd chick looks maybe fuckable.
1118311;1430528818;cazalla;!up deedbot-
1118312;1430528875;cazalla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B34798.txt
1118313;1430528876;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlkisG )
1118314;1430528876;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1118315;1430529424;mike_c;I overheard the other day that there was a dislike for newer versions of gpg.  has anyone written up a blog post or something about why?
1118316;1430529517;mike_c;;;later tell mats I fixed the bug and added a better 'user not found' page.  thx again.
1118317;1430529518;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1118318;1430529863;decimation;;;later tell pete_dushenski minicom ought to work in osx.  did you see this page? http://pbxbook.com/other/mac-tty.html
1118319;1430529865;assbot;Mac's and serial TTY's ... ( http://bit.ly/1bLNEWf )
1118320;1430529865;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1118321;1430529887;mircea_popescu;mike_c i don't trust the 2.x branch. dunno that there's a blogpost or anything
1118322;1430529932;decimation;mircea_popescu: did you see openbsd 5.7 has a new http server that supports cgi
1118323;1430529951;mircea_popescu;i had not
1118324;1430529961;mircea_popescu;i dont think i ever used cgi incidentally.
1118325;1430529989;mircea_popescu;in other news, this is how "wordpress vulnerability day" looks like :
1118326;1430529992;mircea_popescu;$ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "wp-login"
1118327;1430529992;mircea_popescu;39491
1118328;1430529992;mircea_popescu;$ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "58.96.27.42"
1118329;1430529992;mircea_popescu;6741
1118330;1430529992;mircea_popescu;$ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "62.75.229.18"
1118331;1430529993;mircea_popescu;32720
1118332;1430530012;mircea_popescu;that's the log for TODAY. 1MBps, for HOURS, with this crap.
1118333;1430530031;mircea_popescu;terrabytes worth. because trilema soft 404s, and the idiots have nfi how to script.
1118334;1430530048;decimation;lol
1118335;1430530060;mircea_popescu;62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27204 "-" "-"
1118336;1430530060;mircea_popescu;62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27234 "-" "-"
1118337;1430530061;mircea_popescu;62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27266 "-" "-"
1118338;1430530062;decimation;are they all poking at that recent bug?
1118339;1430530062;mircea_popescu;etc etc etc
1118340;1430530066;mircea_popescu;myeap
1118341;1430530090;mircea_popescu;and these have to be amateurs. there's just no way someone can afford to go through 30k 404s that each costs 20kb
1118342;1430530115;decimation;Your site is probably auto-targeted.  I bet the bot herder's scripts rank websites
1118343;1430530147;mircea_popescu;this would be about as sensible as subsistence steppe hunters autotargetting whales.
1118344;1430530176;decimation;but they are making money while they sleep!
1118345;1430530185;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1118346;1430530188;mircea_popescu;note the split too :
1118347;1430530199;mircea_popescu;;;calc 39491 / (32720+6741)
1118348;1430530199;gribble;1.00076024429
1118349;1430530214;mircea_popescu;heh
1118350;1430530226;mircea_popescu;so basically... two idiots. everyone else knows better.
1118351;1430530236;decimation;yeah and one is 5 times more idiotic
1118352;1430530275;decimation;by the way the openbsd httpd doesn't support cgi, it's fastcgi
1118353;1430530279;decimation;which is cgi-over-socket
1118354;1430530281;mircea_popescu;i imagined
1118355;1430530286;mircea_popescu;nobody stil ldoes plain cgi do they ?
1118356;1430530307;decimation;not really
1118357;1430530764;mircea_popescu;anyway, im kinda happy with this new server.
1118358;1430530773;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to have minded it any.
1118359;1430530860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00026198 = 20.1725 BTC [-] {2} 
1118360;1430531252;asciilifeform;mike_c: here's my problem... mircea_popescu: mike_c i can see it...  << working on it. or rather, will be, as soon as i finish writing my broadcast for april
1118361;1430531281;asciilifeform;and yes we can do something spiffy with not-founds
1118362;1430531289;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he has a good point tho, rather than 404, it should attempt to curl the keyservers and gobble.
1118363;1430531294;mircea_popescu;yeah
1118364;1430531334;asciilifeform;but it is important to remember that 'keys' (in the customary sense) are indexed by the (garbage) hash of the -whole key- rather than fp - because it is actually subkeys that have fp's, rather than 'keys' (as in, what folks typically paste in)
1118365;1430531409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41425 @ 0.00026215 = 10.8596 BTC [+]
1118366;1430531421;asciilifeform;it can't curl the keyserver from a nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/somethingorother 404
1118367;1430531460;asciilifeform;because there is no physically possible way to determine what subkey ought to be asked from sks et al, for that particular pubkeyblock hash
1118368;1430531461;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1118369;1430531483;asciilifeform;for query -by fp- - yes, we could.
1118370;1430531484;mircea_popescu;from the example he gave : http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E translates directly to http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD5A63B9EAC2A55E
1118371;1430531485;assbot;Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTt )
1118372;1430531485;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0xfd5a63b9eac2a55e " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTx )
1118373;1430531512;asciilifeform;ah i meant to say,gpgkey
1118374;1430531517;asciilifeform;gpgfp - yes, he is entirely correct
1118375;1430531519;asciilifeform;we could.
1118376;1430531524;mircea_popescu;well it's all he wants.
1118377;1430531548;asciilifeform;originally i was very reluctant to auto-load anything from anywhere whatsoever
1118378;1430531548;mircea_popescu;he hates dead forwards. like erryone on web
1118379;1430531586;asciilifeform;how about a simple 'we don't have it, but you can get it from .... ' ?
1118380;1430531589;mircea_popescu;well, curl http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x$key | curl post to phcktor.
1118381;1430531589;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "key 0x " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hJ16 )
1118382;1430531595;asciilifeform;^
1118383;1430531596;mircea_popescu;nah this really should be automated.
1118384;1430531606;asciilifeform;specifically from ^ ?
1118385;1430531628;*;asciilifeform is ill at ease with dependency on non-wot folks
1118386;1430531680;decimation;asciilifeform: are you comfortable with pulling wot keys from non-wot keyserver?
1118387;1430531694;asciilifeform;decimation: not very.
1118388;1430531720;asciilifeform;decimation: in general, there really oughta be more out of band key exchange.
1118389;1430531722;decimation;the problem with the sks server is that it aggressively shares keys
1118390;1430531730;decimation;with other servers of its kind
1118391;1430531735;asciilifeform;decimation: why is that a problem ?
1118392;1430531740;asciilifeform;they're fucking -public- keys
1118393;1430531761;decimation;well, then why have a problem from pulling a key off a turd in the street?
1118394;1430531775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13488 @ 0.00025952 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {2} 
1118395;1430531819;asciilifeform;decimation: i specifically have a problem with hardcoded url, etc. dependency on some random street animal.
1118396;1430531861;decimation;yeah, it's rather annoying to hit the keyserver dns 'carousel'
1118397;1430531915;asciilifeform;not that it matters, really, if sks lies about some random derp's key. it is a typical 'shakespeare's works were not written by shakespeare but by another man of the same name' non-problem.
1118398;1430532010;asciilifeform;but as a matter of general principle - 'act from cause' (TM) - we oughta have self-contained infrastructure whenever practical.
1118399;1430532532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but these are being tested, not used
1118400;1430532536;mircea_popescu;it makes sense to be sloppy.
1118401;1430532578;asciilifeform;from my point of view - yes, tested. from mike_c's www - they are wot data
1118402;1430532582;asciilifeform;and hence merit some care
1118403;1430532586;mircea_popescu;and note that while it makes sense ot have a b-a keyserver (and it's beinbg made), THAT item will do exactly the same curl stuff.
1118404;1430532589;mircea_popescu;cuz what else.
1118405;1430532606;asciilifeform;the only 'else' is meatspace/out-of-band shenanigans, yes.
1118406;1430532615;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1118407;1430532629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28015 @ 0.00026215 = 7.3441 BTC [+]
1118408;1430532669;mircea_popescu;check it out, scoobot's dead o.O
1118409;1430532676;asciilifeform;rip, l0l
1118410;1430532690;mircea_popescu;what the hell is with that thing. am i fundamentally misunderstanding something here ?
1118411;1430532692;asciilifeform;why, i wonder, so hard
1118412;1430532696;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1118413;1430532709;asciilifeform;phuctor stayed up 534 days (since birth) until i moved it just this week
1118414;1430532720;mircea_popescu;i know
1118415;1430532721;asciilifeform;on a fucking aws
1118416;1430532736;mircea_popescu;must be the cpanel.
1118417;1430532737;*;asciilifeform bewildered re: scoop
1118418;1430532779;mircea_popescu;May 01 00:26:05 *scoopbot_revived has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1118419;1430532891;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e183dfb308f3cc02a97edbdb644567fb/tumblr_n5y8em4FJv1rl9p9mo1_500.gif
1118420;1430532894;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBppWV )
1118421;1430532902;asciilifeform;for the record, on aws it averaged out to approx. 1 usd / day.
1118422;1430532952;mircea_popescu;cuz of cpu ?
1118423;1430532958;asciilifeform;primarily.
1118424;1430533116;mircea_popescu;http://www.everyonesocial.com/ << this is actually one of the least stupid web start-ups.
1118425;1430533117;assbot;The #1 Employee Advocacy Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBpBVW )
1118426;1430533133;mircea_popescu;the idea itself is dumb, fundamentally. actual employees would have other shit to do.
1118427;1430533146;asciilifeform;so how less stupid ?
1118428;1430533153;mircea_popescu;but in practical terms, they're really not useful for anything else.
1118429;1430533158;mircea_popescu;so it's duct tape, basically.
1118430;1430533171;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i did say "web start-ups".
1118431;1430533175;asciilifeform;convert every payrolled monkey into a mlm sp4mz0r ?
1118432;1430533178;mircea_popescu;yup
1118433;1430533187;mircea_popescu;"while having fun!"
1118434;1430533200;asciilifeform;'this sofa has six kinds of bedbug, let's burn it in the furnace' ?
1118435;1430533221;mircea_popescu;more like "this is a restaurant, we cook rat here"
1118436;1430533254;mircea_popescu;note : general mills, sap, united way etc.
1118437;1430533264;asciilifeform;... amway.
1118438;1430533277;mircea_popescu;nah united way is like ymca
1118439;1430533286;mircea_popescu;which i found to my surprise at conference that still exists!
1118440;1430533411;decimation;yeah i live next to y
1118441;1430533421;decimation;it is just a gym now
1118442;1430533597;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> specifically from ^ ? << sure, seeing how his link is also to the same source.
1118443;1430533637;mircea_popescu;(and so is bitcoin-otc.com's. these together make probably 90%+ of our inbound links atm)
1118444;1430533795;decimation;!up gabridome
1118445;1430533971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00026215 = 4.8629 BTC [+]
1118446;1430534048;*;asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all
1118447;1430534049;assbot;Culture & Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1dBMDBk )
1118448;1430534100;asciilifeform;the only quasi-reasonable part seems to be the one about 'extraction economy'
1118449;1430534154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00026266 = 12.7915 BTC [+] {2} 
1118450;1430534282;decimation;is it a ripoff of mancur olson?
1118451;1430534312;asciilifeform;decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1118004
1118452;1430534312;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires
1118453;1430534608;decimation;I don't see any updates on the openbsd octeon port
1118454;1430535095;decimation;seems like this page indicates that the octeon sdk is under us export control, which kills the port http://www.bsdcan.org/2014/schedule/events/480.en.html
1118455;1430535096;assbot;BSDCan2014: Porting OpenBSD on the MIPS64-based Octeon Platforms ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQCRl6 )
1118456;1430535618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13210 @ 0.00026893 = 3.5526 BTC [+]
1118457;1430536535;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjo0OcOpwOs
1118458;1430536536;assbot;Nothin' but net - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQFJym )
1118459;1430536557;asciilifeform;decimation: data sheet leaked long ago (see log)
1118460;1430536562;asciilifeform;if want - go, port.
1118461;1430536815;decimation;yeah, apparently the openbsd folks feel they can't, somehow
1118462;1430538241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00028393 = 5.7212 BTC [+]
1118463;1430538302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95017 @ 0.00028987 = 27.5426 BTC [+] {3} 
1118464;1430538467;Pierre_Rochard;New view for categorizing journal entries: http://pacio.li/Bookkeeping/GeneralJournal/BTC/Month/All/Uncategorized/
1118465;1430538468;assbot;Pacioli ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWh2cE )
1118466;1430539339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00027586 = 1.0207 BTC [-]
1118467;1430539815;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/xhkt8nC.png
1118468;1430539815;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWkggn )
1118469;1430541718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00029474 = 9.2254 BTC [+]
1118470;1430542877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00029785 = 1.385 BTC [+]
1118471;1430547026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00029785 = 8.9206 BTC [+]
1118472;1430547269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00029785 = 6.0166 BTC [+]
1118473;1430547757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00031091 = 10.6331 BTC [+] {2} 
1118474;1430548001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00030741 = 8.8534 BTC [-] {2} 
1118475;1430548895;trinque;cool, that works.
1118476;1430549850;cazalla;any scoopbots revived/reloaded/ressurected around?
1118477;1430549859;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/05/deep-web-marketplace-go-betweener-faces-20-years-jail/
1118478;1430549860;assbot;Deep Web Marketplace Go-Betweener Faces 20 Years Jail | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3DlU4 )
1118479;1430551905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40672 @ 0.00029664 = 12.0649 BTC [-] {2} 
1118480;1430551966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61662 @ 0.00028965 = 17.8604 BTC [-] {2} 
1118481;1430552698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53468 @ 0.00028239 = 15.0988 BTC [-] {3} 
1118482;1430553247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75166 @ 0.00026607 = 19.9994 BTC [-] {2} 
1118483;1430553613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.0002693 = 10.4219 BTC [+] {2} 
1118484;1430559530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0002734 = 5.9054 BTC [+]
1118485;1430560262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54100 @ 0.00026275 = 14.2148 BTC [-] {2} 
1118486;1430564410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00028083 = 15.9511 BTC [+]
1118487;1430565630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00028119 = 7.7608 BTC [+]
1118488;1430565813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00028179 = 4.1846 BTC [+]
1118489;1430566118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00028119 = 2.1933 BTC [-]
1118490;1430566179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00028017 = 4.2026 BTC [-]
1118491;1430567460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118200 @ 0.00028401 = 33.57 BTC [+] {3} 
1118492;1430567765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00029099 = 9.0498 BTC [+] {2} 
1118493;1430571974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00029272 = 13.3773 BTC [+] {2} 
1118494;1430574292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00028976 = 1.9704 BTC [-]
1118495;1430575512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27975 @ 0.00029243 = 8.1807 BTC [+] {2} 
1118496;1430575540;danielpbarron;cazalla, "Count 12, to which Gelli plead guilty to," << plead guilty,* (the 2nd 'to' is not needed)
1118497;1430575922;danielpbarron;http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/01/us-aviation-authority-boeing-787-dreamliner-bug-could-cause-loss-of-control
1118498;1430575923;assbot;US aviation authority: Boeing 787 software bug could cause 'loss of control' | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9VND7 )
1118499;1430576040;danielpbarron;"If the four main generator control units (associated with the engine-mounted generators) were powered up at the same time, after 248 days of continuous power, all four GCUs will go into failsafe mode at the same time, resulting in a loss of all AC electrical power regardless of flight phase." << apparently due to an integer overflow (248 days == 2^31 * 1/100 seconds)
1118500;1430576854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31309 @ 0.00028886 = 9.0439 BTC [-]
1118501;1430578623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00028841 = 6.0133 BTC [-] {2} 
1118502;1430578929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43650 @ 0.00028643 = 12.5027 BTC [-] {2} 
1118503;1430579172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.0002852 = 11.3224 BTC [-] {2} 
1118504;1430579721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00029385 = 12.1948 BTC [+] {3} 
1118505;1430586553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26872 @ 0.00028155 = 7.5658 BTC [-] {2} 
1118506;1430587285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13873 @ 0.0002797 = 3.8803 BTC [-]
1118507;1430588948;mircea_popescu;yo williamdunne ! scoopbot's dead ?
1118508;1430588955;mircea_popescu;!up williamdunne
1118509;1430589119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-05-2015#1118214 << and the prize for this year's least useful error report goes to...
1118510;1430589119;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 19:40:29; ascii_field: search - does not work worth a damn.
1118511;1430589238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00027845 = 18.5169 BTC [-] {2} 
1118512;1430590278;davout;mircea_popescu williamdunne do we have an authoritative list of the feeds somwhere?
1118513;1430590465;mircea_popescu;davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-04-2015#1107966 so far
1118514;1430590465;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 13:00:22; mircea_popescu: williamdunne : btcalpha.com  btctrading.wordpress.com  cascadianhacker.com  contravex.com  devilsadvocate.biz  explo.yt  fr.anco.is  www.loper-os.org  pankkake.headfucking.net  qntra.net  blog.spagni.net  thedrinkingrecord.com  thestringpuller.tumbler.com  thewhet.net  trilema.com
1118515;1430590483;mircea_popescu;tho prolly needs some culling.
1118516;1430590507;williamdunne;davout: As MP linked
1118517;1430590536;davout;for when i'm bored enough
1118518;1430590551;davout;also would it be possible to rename it to scoopbot?
1118519;1430590579;williamdunne;I haven't got access to the scoopbot name, and the GPG key is registered to _revived
1118520;1430590583;williamdunne;But if those can be solved..
1118521;1430590594;davout;not that it matters that much but i feel we'll eventually end up with scoopbot_revived_II_ultimate
1118522;1430590595;mircea_popescu;maybe boobot
1118523;1430590600;mircea_popescu;since we have ass already
1118524;1430590608;davout;cuntbot
1118525;1430590610;mircea_popescu;davout so it'll be pretty lulzy
1118526;1430590613;williamdunne;gashbot
1118527;1430590655;davout;and then the prequel, scoopbot_origins
1118528;1430590659;mircea_popescu;williamdunne what had happened to it anyway ?
1118529;1430590681;mircea_popescu;mere_du_scoupbotte
1118530;1430590694;williamdunne;Connection is less than reliable
1118531;1430590707;williamdunne;His reupping function seems to not work so well
1118532;1430590713;mircea_popescu;aha
1118533;1430590732;mircea_popescu;but it wasnt in here at all, nothing to up
1118534;1430590756;williamdunne;I mean reconnecting
1118535;1430590843;williamdunne;i.e goes down, needs to get up again
1118536;1430590922;mircea_popescu;ah yes
1118537;1430590930;davout;while (!is_up?) { up! }
1118538;1430590999;williamdunne;Thats what the function is meant to do
1118539;1430591005;williamdunne;But for some reason it doesn't work
1118540;1430591012;williamdunne;That is the exact logic I used
1118541;1430591025;williamdunne;while(!irc.conncted) connect
1118542;1430591067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00027533 = 2.1751 BTC [-] {2} 
1118543;1430591080;trinque;williamdunne: use runit
1118544;1430591087;trinque;the thing rules
1118545;1430591097;davout;(irc_connected? || connect_irc!) && (is_up? || up!) <<< the ruby way :D
1118546;1430591104;trinque;bleh!
1118547;1430591111;mircea_popescu;lol
1118548;1430591161;trinque;runit is the only service supervisor thing I've encountered that *does the right thing by default*
1118549;1430591174;trinque;-run the thing I gave you forever-
1118550;1430591192;trinque;every other one has five settings for "no really, restart the fucker if it dies"
1118551;1430591219;davout;needs moar cpanel
1118552;1430591229;trinque;lol
1118553;1430591241;trinque;cpaneld
1118554;1430591250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36164 @ 0.00027445 = 9.9252 BTC [-] {2} 
1118555;1430591253;davout;start a few virtualized cpanels inside
1118556;1430591260;davout;"WE HEARD YOU LIEK CPANEL"
1118557;1430591303;davout;williamdunne: why u no cloak scoopbot? it's possible it's getting DDoS'd
1118558;1430591311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27759 @ 0.00027351 = 7.5924 BTC [-]
1118559;1430591334;williamdunne;Its not, its just on a wired connection. Eventually I'll cloak though
1118560;1430591340;williamdunne;*not on a
1118561;1430591371;davout;what does it have to do with being on wired connection?
1118562;1430591384;williamdunne;Wifi drops
1118563;1430591388;williamdunne;IRC disconnects
1118564;1430591393;williamdunne;Doesn't reconnect properly
1118565;1430591397;mircea_popescu;and you know this isn't ddos how ?
1118566;1430591399;trinque;what bot are you using
1118567;1430591411;trinque;williamdunne: check out my friend vhost-'s tenyks, it has a "feeds" plugin already
1118568;1430591419;trinque;dude's in the WoT
1118569;1430591428;williamdunne;Some .net framework, I'll check it out
1118570;1430591434;davout;meh, maybe you don't know but it's pretty often that anyone connecting uncloaked gets massively ddos'd
1118571;1430591452;davout;just do it, i'd bet the connection will stop dropping
1118572;1430591460;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I don't know for sure, but it happened a lot before I even started using #b-a. Wifi connection drops and then I reconnect it and all is good
1118573;1430591486;davout;"i have a problem and then i fix it and then there's no problem"
1118574;1430591503;davout;try to cloak it will ya
1118575;1430591561;williamdunne;Will do
1118576;1430591573;trinque;williamdunne: that one's free, would be much shorter
1118577;1430591589;williamdunne;I've been told size doesn't matter
1118578;1430591606;trinque;well as long as you've been told...
1118579;1430591613;*;trinque lumbers off for coffee
1118580;1430591622;williamdunne;Can I change the name associated with Scoop's GPG key?
1118581;1430591680;davout;not sure your IRC nick needs to be the same as your wot nick
1118582;1430591700;williamdunne;It does, you get some message from ass like "no key associated with nick"
1118583;1430591702;trinque;assbot does take your IRC nick
1118584;1430591713;trinque;!up in pm takes whoever you are at the moment
1118585;1430591770;williamdunne;Just made some changes though, checks if connected in main loop rather than by doing it with an event
1118586;1430591777;trinque;btw deedbot- is now 29F5 BC96 7632 415A B983  6DB6 3E45 2A7A 2A00 DEC1
1118587;1430591797;mircea_popescu;williamdunne you might have to change scoopbot_revived to a new key then associate the old one to the nerw nic
1118588;1430591800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00027097 = 2.4929 BTC [-]
1118589;1430591858;trinque;leaving deedbot- rates wouldn't be a bad way to request features or give feedback imo
1118590;1430591879;trinque;tonight I'm going to work on it belching the deed URLs into chan when published, and I think that about wraps up the spec
1118591;1430591885;williamdunne;Pierre_Rochard: I think you misinterpreted Preston's tweet. He's derping about his Eris Industries blockchain as a DB idea
1118592;1430591908;williamdunne;Oh, maybe you didn't
1118593;1430591916;mircea_popescu;agreed.
1118594;1430591928;trinque;this having a key for a given project is kinda neat, sort of trinque DBA deedbot-
1118595;1430591942;mircea_popescu;i meant, re teh leaving rates thing
1118596;1430591975;trinque;cool
1118597;1430591991;*;trinque departs
1118598;1430592330;*;mircea_popescu notices in the churned "social media" data that "address reuse" has gone from "unanimity" to "most people recommend" "in most cases".
1118599;1430592368;mircea_popescu;the beauty of the free market is that it doesn't require intelligent participants, nor does it allow governance.
1118600;1430592714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143815 @ 0.00028008 = 40.2797 BTC [+] {5} 
1118601;1430592715;scoopbot_revived;News! That scary thing URL: http://trilema.com/2015/that-scary-thing/
1118602;1430592779;mircea_popescu;pray the esteemed lordship consider the above matter.
1118603;1430592827;williamdunne;m'lord
1118604;1430593261;davout;interdasting
1118605;1430593385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29642 @ 0.00028869 = 8.5573 BTC [+]
1118606;1430593568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44511 @ 0.00027916 = 12.4257 BTC [-] {2} 
1118607;1430593679;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118446 << if you want more, there's a never ending, teeming underground sea of the same thing. like, for instance : http://malesubmissionart.com/post/113014006426/and-then-god-said-let-there-be-the-perfect
1118608;1430593679;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2015 02:34:08; *: asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all
1118609;1430593680;assbot;Male Submission Art - And Then God Said, "Let There Be The Perfect... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCZQEE )
1118610;1430593693;mircea_popescu;this one, dedicated to the theme that "bsdm is bad".
1118611;1430593717;mircea_popescu;but generally, you can find incredibly ample if very well unknown networks of prose dedicated to any random nonsense you wish to pick.
1118612;1430593769;mircea_popescu;the social studies million army may well be useless, but it is not in point of fact idle. the important difference is that while the printing presses of money are run as fast as they can run but by a central authority, the printing presses of discourse are run in overdrive independently.
1118613;1430593788;mircea_popescu;as a result, the countless shanonizers are inches away from reproducing shakespeare.
1118614;1430593903;mircea_popescu;cazalla who in the us ~doesn't~ face 20 years in jail, i wish to know. it's what that country is predicated on, by now. "i am a us citizen and i face twenty years in jail three times before breakfast. i hope they give us marmelade today".
1118615;1430593929;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118499 << bwhaah
1118616;1430593929;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2015 14:14:00; danielpbarron: "If the four main generator control units (associated with the engine-mounted generators) were powered up at the same time, after 248 days of continuous power, all four GCUs will go into failsafe mode at the same time, resulting in a loss of all AC electrical power regardless of flight phase." << apparently due to an integer overflow (248 days == 2^31 * 1/100 seconds)
1118617;1430594191;davout;so apparently an A380 can't go to mars after all
1118618;1430594235;mircea_popescu;how is failsafe mode = "no worky"
1118619;1430594265;davout;that's how I read "a loss of all AC electrical power"
1118620;1430594281;mircea_popescu;me too. but it really isn't what failsafe means.
1118621;1430594284;mircea_popescu;this is faildangerous
1118622;1430594356;davout;I'm not an expert in the field, yet, but maybe what's meant by "failsafe" is: "it's better to shut power down than to somehow explode inflight"
1118623;1430594378;mircea_popescu;o guess
1118624;1430594381;mircea_popescu;i*
1118625;1430594461;davout;for an A380 you'll still have an available flying distance of 22 times your altitude to figure something out
1118626;1430594483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18225 @ 0.00028869 = 5.2614 BTC [+]
1118627;1430594592;mircea_popescu;to figure something out ?
1118628;1430594605;mircea_popescu;what pray tell will you figure out, that thing steers like a battleship.
1118629;1430594778;davout;mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised http://videos.airbus.com/video/4ae05902874s.html
1118630;1430594778;assbot;video Farnborough 2012 – An attention-grabbing A380 flight demonstration  - a380, malaysia airlines, farnborough2012 - videos AIRBUS ... ( http://bit.ly/1KD2eeG )
1118631;1430594838;mircea_popescu;hopefully the pilots brought flap actuator batteries and whatnot
1118632;1430595779;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118591 < yup, I’m hoping all of the “blockchain database tech”/“smart contracts”/etc crud gets funneled away from Bitcoin and into $chumpatron
1118633;1430595779;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2015 18:38:05; williamdunne: Pierre_Rochard: I think you misinterpreted Preston's tweet. He's derping about his Eris Industries blockchain as a DB idea
1118634;1430595828;williamdunne;"Its like bitcoin, but not scarce, not a currency, and has centralized permissions"
1118635;1430595885;mircea_popescu;lol
1118636;1430595901;Pierre_Rochard;insofar as they’re distracting the bezzlers, I see it as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bodyguard
1118637;1430595902;assbot;Operation Bodyguard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMdlBs )
1118638;1430595952;williamdunne;Also equally lulzy "its like a ***sql database, but uses the exact opposite of concurrency, has high latency, and low throughput"
1118639;1430595978;Pierre_Rochard;god forbid one should have to hire a DBA they trust
1118640;1430595993;mircea_popescu;you don't understand, "The State will use economies of scale to make the bitcoin network too expensive/impossible to use."
1118641;1430596001;mircea_popescu;im really enjoying the qntra comment section.
1118642;1430596108;williamdunne;Not sure what economies of scale have to do with it
1118643;1430596113;williamdunne;They just have more money
1118644;1430596145;Pierre_Rochard;williamdunne: one handwave in south america can cause a hurricane in florida. that’s the theory right?
1118645;1430596175;williamdunne;Mm I'm not meaning they could, I'm just thinking about what they think they could do
1118646;1430596186;williamdunne;I'm guessing they mean flooding the network with TXs
1118647;1430596192;williamdunne;Which has nothing to do with economies of scale
1118648;1430596211;mircea_popescu;"economy of scale" is simply one item in the shanonizer.
1118649;1430596225;mircea_popescu;like racism, social justice, what have you.
1118650;1430596237;Pierre_Rochard;Or nationalize Visa and ACH and make them free & instant, which is what I would do if I was in charge of keeping the USbezzle going
1118651;1430596252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29770 @ 0.00026986 = 8.0337 BTC [-] {2} 
1118652;1430596257;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard europe already did this. it's called sepa, and it doesn't do anything.
1118653;1430596264;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: No, they didn't
1118654;1430596269;williamdunne;SEPA isn't free or instant
1118655;1430596278;williamdunne;Closest thing would be UK FP I guess
1118656;1430596281;williamdunne;Singapore FAST
1118657;1430596289;williamdunne;SA whatever its called
1118658;1430596295;mircea_popescu;uk is roughly the size of a chickenshit.
1118659;1430596295;williamdunne;Malaysia something network
1118660;1430596308;mircea_popescu;the idea here is that payments clear across a continent as if they would in the home market.
1118661;1430596323;williamdunne;ACH isn't international
1118662;1430596337;williamdunne;Although it takes as long as a wire sometimes
1118663;1430596338;mircea_popescu;that's the idea.
1118664;1430596344;williamdunne;So maybe it still meets that criteria
1118665;1430596362;williamdunne;But yeah. No excuse for payments to take anything more than 5 seconds
1118666;1430596378;williamdunne;***once initiated
1118667;1430597106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00026853 = 5.5854 BTC [-]
1118668;1430597170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128900 @ 0.00027544 = 35.5042 BTC [+] {2} 
1118669;1430597455;mircea_popescu;!up Sam___
1118670;1430598465;mircea_popescu;http://waystoavoidscamsonline.com/how-does-alexa-track-traffic-do-they-really-have-a-grasp-of-your-traffic << check it out, random webkid with a dream.
1118671;1430598467;assbot;How Does Alexa Track Traffic – Do They Really Have a Grasp of Your Traffic? - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPzy0I )
1118672;1430599209;mod6;;;bc,stats
1118673;1430599214;gribble;Current Blocks: 354691 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 124 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47786148588.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.36879
1118674;1430600339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00027649 = 7.8247 BTC [+]
1118675;1430600888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00026854 = 18.4084 BTC [-] {2} 
1118676;1430602147;scoopbot_revived;News! F.MPIF April 2015 trading statement URL: http://explo.yt/post/2015/05/02/F.MPIF-April-2015-trading-statement
1118677;1430602661;asciilifeform;davout: the generator thing was in boeing's 787 machine, not airbus ?
1118678;1430602731;jurov;yes, it was 787
1118679;1430602785;jurov;perhaps he mixed it up with A380 cracks
1118680;1430603159;hanbot;<jurov> https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then? << hah, as though i could hear anyone over the roar of my own kvetching
1118681;1430603160;assbot;Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMqFpq )
1118682;1430603593;cazalla;danielpbarron, ty
1118683;1430603694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48471 @ 0.00026765 = 12.9733 BTC [-] {2} 
1118684;1430603755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20248 @ 0.00025762 = 5.2163 BTC [-] {2} 
1118685;1430603995;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118614 <<< hang about, i thought they faced the hangman's noose, not 20 years
1118686;1430603995;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2015 19:11:43; mircea_popescu: cazalla who in the us ~doesn't~ face 20 years in jail, i wish to know. it's what that country is predicated on, by now. "i am a us citizen and i face twenty years in jail three times before breakfast. i hope they give us marmelade today".
1118687;1430604066;trinque;lol, some kind of inverse alice in wonderland
1118688;1430604243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00027649 = 8.1841 BTC [+]
1118689;1430604595;scoopbot_revived;News! A brief history of the Bitcoin Foundation's activity from 10/2014 through 4/2015 URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/02_a-brief-history-of-the-bitcoin-foundations-activity-from-102014-through-42015.html
1118690;1430604618;ben_vulpes;chronology, maybe?
1118691;1430605707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00026255 = 9.4781 BTC [-]
1118692;1430606172;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1118693;1430606450;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes also "myriad scripts and patches to said are written" is not useful.
1118694;1430606504;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: broadcast sent
1118695;1430606610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and when you do the invoice in this one, plz also convert the pesos i left behind, supposing those still were worth something.
1118696;1430606611;scoopbot_revived;News! The case for the Salvation Army in downtown Edmonton. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/02/the-case-for-the-salvation-army-in-downtown-edmonton/
1118697;1430606622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76460 @ 0.0002562 = 19.5891 BTC [-]
1118698;1430606852;jurov;http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=3030
1118699;1430606853;assbot;Unnoticed for years, malware turned Linux and BSD servers into spamming machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLgWul )
1118700;1430607012;*;asciilifeform meatspacing out for a spell
1118701;1430607030;jurov;checking your crontabs? :DDD
1118702;1430607040;asciilifeform;nah, cultural phun
1118703;1430607471;jurov;!up Ralph
1118704;1430607509;jurov;!up HostFat
1118705;1430607516;jurov;!up WolfGoethe
1118706;1430607528;jurov;!up OneFixt
1118707;1430607594;Ralph;Waiting for my payout on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" bet so I can bet the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.
1118708;1430607740;jurov;dunno what would happen if you generated an addy for second bet and used it straight as payout to first
1118709;1430607865;jurov;kako'd prolly reward such smartassery by converting it to gracious donation to shareholders :D
1118710;1430607883;Ralph;It would work, but the betting address is only open for 3 days, so it would be a bad idea.
1118711;1430608077;cazalla;Ralph, which side are you betting on?
1118712;1430608091;williamdunne;When does the fight start?
1118713;1430608112;cazalla;4 hours time
1118714;1430608129;Ralph;I don't mean to nag, but I don't know what's holding up the payout. Looks like the bitcoins for the payout are just sitting here --> 1QJRejN99TYnk8Ctae1ZxtMhmrgRqs6bPF
1118715;1430608162;williamdunne;cazalla: Its gonna be a loong night
1118716;1430608176;jurov;it may take a day or so, they are doing payouts on their leisure
1118717;1430608196;Ralph;I'm betting on a draw. The fix is in, Vegas wants a rematch.
1118718;1430608224;cazalla;draw pays ok
1118719;1430608277;williamdunne;I really want to see Mayweather get knocked the fuck out
1118720;1430608282;williamdunne;Doubt it'll happen though :(
1118721;1430608378;jurov;;;gettrust jurov Ralph
1118722;1430608379;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user Ralph: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=Ralph | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ralph | Rated since: never
1118723;1430608399;jurov;if you were in WoT, i'd offer you a quick loan
1118724;1430608404;jurov;but.
1118725;1430608483;williamdunne;;;getrating Ralph
1118726;1430608483;gribble;Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
1118727;1430608517;jurov;he isn't regged with gribble at all
1118728;1430608632;jurov;https://medium.com/@noralev/what-happens-after-you-re-arrested-at-a-protest-in-new-york-975bb34fb47c
1118729;1430608633;assbot;What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0NyVT )
1118730;1430608654;jurov;she just calls it "one night of inconvenience and discomfort"
1118731;1430608663;jurov;fucking police state, this
1118732;1430608802;williamdunne;>3 — Patrol Wagon: Those who were arrested were cuffed and piled into large armored patrol wagons. In our vehicle, men were all together in the back. Women were in single cells or double cells. We waited in the vehicle for over 2 hours without moving until they had filled it to their liking (we ended up with 12 people). The last two people who were arrested were not even part of the protests, they w
1118733;1430608802;williamdunne;just walking alongside.
1118734;1430608807;williamdunne;Orwell would be proud
1118735;1430608819;williamdunne;To see his book performed on the worlds largest theatre
1118736;1430609186;ben_vulpes;yes, three cheers
1118737;1430612905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159000 @ 0.00025898 = 41.1778 BTC [+] {5} 
1118738;1430615101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7706 @ 0.00026487 = 2.0411 BTC [+]
1118739;1430615704;Pierre_Rochard;Got started with a couple of diagrams: http://pacio.li/Documentation/Introduction
1118740;1430615704;assbot;Pacioli ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6HPk2 )
1118741;1430615773;ben_vulpes;neat
1118742;1430616870;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105300 @ 0.00025922 = 27.2959 BTC [-] {2} 
1118743;1430617724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58050 @ 0.00025709 = 14.9241 BTC [-]
1118744;1430617786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99500 @ 0.00025503 = 25.3755 BTC [-] {2} 
1118745;1430618617;decimation;re: ac power failure on 787 < actually my understanding is that most jetliners actually have a crank-out windmill to power basic navigation systems
1118746;1430618662;decimation;althought in the case of the 787 I think it lacks hydraulics, so it would take a fair bit of power to move the electric controls
1118747;1430619086;decimation;yes, indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tXobY4ZWbc < a video of the 787 landing with the ram air turbine (pop out windmill) deployed
1118748;1430619087;assbot;Thai Airways 787 Dreamliner Landing w/ Focus on the RAM Air Turbine @ KPAE Paine Field - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dE27oo )
1118749;1430619616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 316350 @ 0.00026132 = 82.6686 BTC [+] {3} 
1118750;1430620381;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118707 << methinks it sohuld have showed up by now
1118751;1430620381;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2015 22:59:54; Ralph: Waiting for my payout on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" bet so I can bet the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.
1118752;1430620398;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118708 << should prolly work.
1118753;1430620398;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2015 23:02:20; jurov: dunno what would happen if you generated an addy for second bet and used it straight as payout to first
1118754;1430620530;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2015#1118731 << the thing is, it's not even may yet. it's going to be a painful summer. that place's slowly but surely becoming ungovernable, and with the extreme frailty of the jit style they deployed everywhere... there's little if any redundancy.
1118755;1430620530;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2015 23:17:43; jurov: fucking police state, this
1118756;1430620541;mircea_popescu;all it takes practically is to break it once, then it's broken.
1118757;1430620692;mircea_popescu;"1 Police Plaza" lol. srsly ?
1118758;1430620907;decimation;note that the complaints of the rabble never hold up to any reasonable examination
1118759;1430620967;decimation;http://softwareandmind.com/ < some guy derping about the 'mechanistic myth'
1118760;1430620969;assbot;Software and Mind: The Mechanistic Myth and Its Consequences ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYM805 )
1118761;1430620992;decimation;"In this book we are concerned with one particular myth – the mechanistic myth; and we are especially concerned with its latest manifestation – the software myth. Mechanism is the belief that everything can be represented as a hierarchical structure; that is, as a structure of things within things."
1118762;1430621029;mircea_popescu;that's a particularly inept statement of mechanism.
1118763;1430621039;decimation;that's what I thought
1118764;1430621050;mircea_popescu;linear interactions.
1118765;1430621063;mircea_popescu;that everything can be put into a tree is a trivial bit of graph theory.
1118766;1430621063;decimation;apparently he goes on for 8 chapters about how this 'myth' is ruining western civilization
1118767;1430621196;decimation;"We are aware of lost alternatives only if we once had them. If we had to abandon words, for example, and restrict ourselves to ready-made sentences and ideas, we would immediately recognize the dramatic impoverishment in language-related processes."
1118768;1430621203;decimation;" But programming is a new human endeavour, and the software charlatans gained control of our software-related affairs, and restricted them, before we could discover all possible alternatives – all the ways that human minds can find to create and use software. Software controlled by an elite is the only software we have ever had, so we cannot know what we have lost."
1118769;1430621251;decimation;apparently he's just another shanonizer
1118770;1430621285;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRe5IWlcYlU&app=desktop fight stream if anyone was looking for one
1118771;1430621286;assbot;django jesus2 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMBj6 )
1118772;1430621301;mircea_popescu;does he go into "privilege" yet ?
1118773;1430621395;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: compare with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1118051 thread
1118774;1430621395;assbot;Logged on 01-05-2015 17:50:39; mircea_popescu: in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.
1118775;1430621424;asciilifeform;i used to have a whole butterfly collection of links to folks 'like my site but with schizo'
1118776;1430621448;mircea_popescu;lol
1118777;1430621473;mircea_popescu;girls have private collections of "like mp but with stupid"
1118778;1430621485;decimation;I was thinking about the quantity of language as I was going through my books today.  amazon has an app that lets you scan a book - even just the cover picture - and it will instantly return the price
1118779;1430621499;decimation;the vast majority of books are selling used for $0.01
1118780;1430621503;asciilifeform;basic pattern, as in linked thread, folks see a problem. (typically, one that requires a certain amount of societal programming failing to anchor in the brain, or having been dislodged in one way or another) but do not have the constructive abilities to see anything but 'remove the cia microwave horn from the neighbour's balcony' as solution space
1118781;1430621536;mircea_popescu;decimation someone here had written the algorithm for that.
1118782;1430621554;decimation;yes, another quote: "Along with the mechanistic myth, our elites too have turned from good to 24 the mechanistic myth introduction bad. The elites defend the mechanistic myth because it is through this belief that they hold their privileged position."
1118783;1430621607;asciilifeform;www.celiagreen.com  << rare female version of this animal
1118784;1430621659;asciilifeform;(summary: science is broken because, among other things, no one will give green a tenured mega-sinecure to study telepathy)
1118785;1430621674;asciilifeform;^ summary of green's works, that is
1118786;1430621693;asciilifeform;tenacious critter, has been going at it for decades, it seems.
1118787;1430621751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58416 @ 0.00026684 = 15.5877 BTC [+]
1118788;1430621799;mircea_popescu;decimation i've noticed that a good heuristic is, if (grep -c "privilege" > 1) break;
1118789;1430621831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's bayesian antispamatron must be a real hoot
1118790;1430621842;mircea_popescu;somehow this idea that "privilege = bad" is getting passed around a certain group of idiots as given gospel.
1118791;1430621858;mircea_popescu;hasn't even been investigated at any point, it's just revelation or something.
1118792;1430621871;asciilifeform;they have more of a 'bad is privilege' thing
1118793;1430621878;decimation;well, he is also melding the idea that the 'software factory' model is retarded into this
1118794;1430621884;decimation;but I don't really follow that
1118795;1430621894;mircea_popescu;well the software factory is definitel yretarded.
1118796;1430621907;asciilifeform;decimation: the realization that software and computing in general as it exists is deeply and profoundly retarded, dawned on many people
1118797;1430621910;mircea_popescu;"Celia Green is a philosopher and psychologist"
1118798;1430621918;mircea_popescu;"that likes to write in the third person"
1118799;1430621925;decimation;sure, but does that mean that hierarchical classification is a conspiracy?
1118800;1430621950;asciilifeform;decimation: to some of these folks, the beige and black that pc chassis traditionally come in is the conspiracy
1118801;1430621969;asciilifeform;there are at least as many idiocies as there idiots to conceive of them
1118802;1430622003;asciilifeform;http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html << obligatory
1118803;1430622004;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYNuIq )
1118804;1430622301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82900 @ 0.00027433 = 22.742 BTC [+] {2} 
1118805;1430622372;decimation;"The mechanistic software beliefs, in particular, have permitted a powerful software elite to arise. In just a few decades, organizations that have in fact little to offer us have attained so much power that they practically control society. As we will see in the course of this book, their power rests almost entirely on mechanistic software delusions, and on the stupidity engendered by these delusions."
1118806;1430622455;asciilifeform;^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason'
1118807;1430622458;asciilifeform;http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy
1118808;1430622460;assbot;Joseph Weizenbaum Computer Power and Human Reason From Judgement to Calculation 1976 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOc8B )
1118809;1430622567;asciilifeform;(weizenbaum made specific predictions re: electronic enablement of massive welfare bureaucracy, etc.)
1118810;1430622635;decimation;yeah this guy seems to be derping that the 'software elites' have seized control and are starving the masses
1118811;1430623047;decimation;he reminds me of that jeron lanier guy
1118812;1430623091;asciilifeform;it somehow grates the ear less coming out of a broke schizo than a fella like lanier
1118813;1430623105;mircea_popescu;yeah. the powerful software elite is out there crushing its cessna in irs tax offices.
1118814;1430623135;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: presumably the particular crackpot meant 'those who decide what is written' rather than the worker bees
1118815;1430623156;mircea_popescu;i wish to meet these people.
1118816;1430623167;mircea_popescu;as far as i know, not even linus "decides what is written"
1118817;1430623173;mircea_popescu;definitely nobody in redmond
1118818;1430623183;asciilifeform;they 'decide' to approximately the same degree as obama
1118819;1430623197;asciilifeform;largely, the structure of the idiotron decides for them.
1118820;1430623215;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason' << this diagnosis is exactly correct, i am persuaded.
1118821;1430623248;mircea_popescu;pretty much all of the us consists of john smiths, rewriting the bible in their own name.
1118822;1430623262;asciilifeform;tbh weizenbaum is in no sense the originator of the 'mega-computerized bureaucracy will crush all souls' meme
1118823;1430623274;decimation;"Application development, thus, will soon require no programmers. An analyst or manager will specify the requirements by interacting with a sophisti- cated development system, and the computer will do the rest: “There is a major revolution happening in software and system design.... The revolution is the replacement of manual design and coding with automated design and coding.”Ñ "
1118824;1430623282;asciilifeform;but he is the single most articulate dissector of it, of the ones in my library, and so i pick him.
1118825;1430623293;mircea_popescu;kinda how culture works.
1118826;1430623306;mircea_popescu;shakespeare was also not the first to derp about derpy themes
1118827;1430623325;decimation;he didn't even write it, another guy with the same name did
1118828;1430623345;mircea_popescu;it was his wife, check your privilege
1118829;1430623383;mircea_popescu;(fun story : privileg was my first calculator.
1118830;1430623433;*;asciilifeform notices the resemblance to 'elektronika' series
1118831;1430623457;mircea_popescu;10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.)
1118832;1430623466;mircea_popescu;10 more if it's built from the ground up with anything in mind.
1118833;1430623607;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs
1118834;1430623609;assbot;Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk (Miss). - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPPmA )
1118835;1430623696;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.christophlorenz.de/calc/privileg/861-m-nc.php?l=en << it ?
1118836;1430623696;assbot;The Metatechnical Cabinet - Privileg 861-M-NC / Litronix 1721R ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPXTf )
1118837;1430623739;mircea_popescu;nah smaller thing, solar powered
1118838;1430623761;mircea_popescu;bout the size of a biscuit. same thicknes throughout
1118839;1430623785;mircea_popescu;http://mycalcdb.free.fr/main.php?l=0&id=6017 this
1118840;1430623786;assbot;MyCalcDB :   Calculator  Privileg / Quelle  SOLAR 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQ1lW )
1118841;1430623810;asciilifeform;woah hightech
1118842;1430623889;mircea_popescu;it kicked ass, an dprobably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance. or stress tolerance
1118843;1430623899;*;asciilifeform came from orcish lands where lcd was considered exotic tech
1118844;1430623902;mircea_popescu;(like, i'd cover it's cell and have it do stuff)
1118845;1430623938;decimation;actually lcds are worse in nearly ever respect other than power draw
1118846;1430624019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:  probably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance... << very tellingly, children in usa are now being issued with pocket calculators that have -palpable boot times- and delays on all basic ops
1118847;1430624033;asciilifeform;(e.g., texas instruments 'nspire' etc)
1118848;1430624043;mircea_popescu;hidebound reactionary" << wtf does this even mean
1118849;1430624065;decimation;asciilifeform: my hp48 was doing tons of processing under the hood, would never delay or have a 'boot time'
1118850;1430624080;asciilifeform;decimation: it wasn't running java
1118851;1430624082;decimation;except during intense graphing operations, etc
1118852;1430624105;decimation;no, it was running hand optimized assembly
1118853;1430624146;mircea_popescu;ayup
1118854;1430624178;asciilifeform;decimation: visit an electronics store and prepare to have brain come out of ears. i've had flashlights that -crashed.- i drive a car with a -buggy- thermostat controller. (made 12 yrs ago, too. the rot began long ago.)
1118855;1430624192;mircea_popescu;lol crashed flashlight wut
1118856;1430624201;asciilifeform;!s flashlight crash
1118857;1430624202;assbot;2 results for 'flashlight crash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flashlight+crash
1118858;1430624206;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1118859;1430624229;*;mircea_popescu owned a half lb flashlight in TM. yet it had no processor.
1118860;1430624276;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758167
1118861;1430624276;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2014 18:31:23; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flashlight article << a decade or so ago, i had a flashlight that... crashed! when destroyed, it revealed a microcontroller, with eeprom...
1118862;1430624299;mircea_popescu;nuts
1118863;1430624368;decimation;asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's
1118864;1430624380;mircea_popescu;https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/planets_in_the_4th_dimension/ << ok i must confess this is a kickass theory.
1118865;1430624382;assbot;Planets in the Fourth Dimension | Azimuth ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQuoc )
1118866;1430624398;mircea_popescu;"why ellipses ? because circles in 4 dimensions project to 3 dimensional ellipses, that's why!"
1118867;1430624409;decimation;he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java
1118868;1430624726;mircea_popescu;"Dr Green currently holds no salaried academic position, a situation her associates regard as profoundly anomalous and unjust. One of the purposes of Oxford Forum is to reinstate her in the academic world."
1118869;1430624727;mircea_popescu;ajaja
1118870;1430624766;mircea_popescu;The reason Dr Green is not a salaried academic is partly because her ideas are out of sympathy with the prevailing intellectual climate, but also because her education was ruined. A child prodigy, she was the victim of a hostile state education system, and an unsympathetic college when she was an undergraduate at Oxford. She is uniquely suited to doing research, and could be making significant progress in several areas
1118871;1430624767;mircea_popescu; of knowledge if she was not hampered by her exiled position and lack of funding.
1118872;1430624767;mircea_popescu;Oxford Forum's aim is to expand into an independent college cum university which would generate and publish research in several areas including philosophy, economics, the psychology and physiology of perception, and theoretical physics.
1118873;1430624768;mircea_popescu;epic.
1118874;1430624783;cazalla;another stream, fight starts now http://www.gutatv.biz/alpha23c2.php
1118875;1430624783;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQYdW )
1118876;1430624845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to be fair, it was a flashlight with some basic state - was the kind that is to switch itself on when mains socket it is kept charging in fails
1118877;1430624864;mircea_popescu;this requires electronics ?
1118878;1430624896;mircea_popescu;does your rectifier also run java ?
1118879;1430624928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: someone decided to use a microcontroller. quite possibly because 29 cents instead of 30 for a '555'.
1118880;1430624939;asciilifeform;somehow its eeprom (yes) got erased.
1118881;1430624968;mircea_popescu;see, shoulda got the ecc variant
1118882;1430625129;mircea_popescu;http://celiagreen.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/interns.html
1118883;1430625131;assbot;CELIA GREEN: Interns ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYRw3q )
1118884;1430625134;mircea_popescu;pretty great find, this
1118885;1430625160;mircea_popescu;Pain Control
1118886;1430625161;mircea_popescu;An area of research in which I could be making progress if I had funding providing an income of at least �100,000 a year (progress would no doubt be faster with more income).
1118887;1430625205;*;asciilifeform has been collecting folks like green for a long, long time
1118888;1430625227;asciilifeform;partly because, for a serious crackpot, to avoid going entirely off the rails, it is helpful to know what the rails look like.
1118889;1430625249;mircea_popescu;woman goes on to explain stuff about dentistry.
1118890;1430625458;decimation;asciilifeform: or to be more precise, what the wreck off the rail looks like
1118891;1430625467;asciilifeform;aha.
1118892;1430625788;asciilifeform;for the record, when i first encountered green ('07 ?) i definitely had sympathy for the 'someone ought to pay me to think, fuck the world' thing, until i figure out what she intended to 'think' -about-
1118893;1430625809;mircea_popescu;it seems she literally intends to remembrance her youth ?
1118894;1430625832;mircea_popescu;anyway, i do not personally believe this "pay me to think" thing has any merit whatsoever.
1118895;1430625842;mircea_popescu;go do something useful, so your thoughts may be worth thinking in the first place.
1118896;1430625844;asciilifeform;it has same merit as 'i would like to fly to buenos aires on farts'
1118897;1430625924;asciilifeform;(who needs 'airbus' if can do this!)
1118898;1430625957;asciilifeform;the academia racket does create a superficial chumpatronic appearance that some folks are 'paid to think'
1118899;1430625999;mircea_popescu;myah.
1118900;1430626018;asciilifeform;and certain folks who imagine that they could suck that teat while doing $theirthing instead of penning treatises re: checking privilege etc. - envy academics
1118901;1430626022;mircea_popescu;similarly the entertainment racket creates the superficial chumpatronic appearance that some chicks "have it easy"
1118902;1430626051;mircea_popescu;one needs a particular sort of ingrained uselessness outlook to come to that sort of worldview.
1118903;1430626997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00027435 = 2.8258 BTC [+]
1118904;1430627241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57716 @ 0.00027697 = 15.9856 BTC [+] {2} 
1118905;1430627486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15280 @ 0.00027435 = 4.1921 BTC [-]
1118906;1430627546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67220 @ 0.00026881 = 18.0694 BTC [-]
1118907;1430627987;scoopbot_revived;News! No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2015 Statement URL: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2015-statement/
1118908;1430628374;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo your pino rooster didn't deliver the goods, i ended up betting on mayweather at the last moment :P
1118909;1430628375;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1118910;1430628446;mircea_popescu;"a total of 15,495 accounts were identified as having premium FetLife memberships� and that �Male doms make up far and away the largest proportion of FetLife�s [paying] customer base, accounting for 3,452 (22.28%) of the total customer accounts identified."
1118911;1430628458;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the torturous logic involved... srsly, 15k paid accounts ?
1118912;1430628470;mircea_popescu;almost enough to buy a used car!
1118913;1430628481;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/hashtag/themeatlist?src=hash << bonus.
1118914;1430628483;assbot;Tweets about #themeatlist hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1c8Flo5 )
1118915;1430628770;asciilifeform;what does a paid account get you ?
1118916;1430628998;mircea_popescu;no idea
1118917;1430629011;mircea_popescu;a ribbon or something. think reddit gold.
1118918;1430629195;asciilifeform;wtf would anybody pay for this
1118919;1430629315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184034 @ 0.0002722 = 50.0941 BTC [+] {4} 
1118920;1430629498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5666 @ 0.00028136 = 1.5942 BTC [+]
1118921;1430629567;mircea_popescu;soooo... since i was looking at the fetlife stuff, i discovered the scrapper had stopped working
1118922;1430629571;mircea_popescu;guess what it was ?
1118923;1430629803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39002 @ 0.00026881 = 10.4841 BTC [-]
1118924;1430629864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103248 @ 0.00026542 = 27.4041 BTC [-]
1118925;1430629881;mircea_popescu;(hint : previous time it stopped working, they rejected based on agent string)
1118926;1430632106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ip ?
1118927;1430632113;mircea_popescu;referrer.
1118928;1430632124;asciilifeform;l0l
1118929;1430632185;mircea_popescu;srsly. this is the tech company. gurlz are all "oh poor them" and shit. it's like beating up the mentally retarded.
1118930;1430632206;asciilifeform;hunting zoo animals.
1118931;1430632359;mircea_popescu;this is the result of this ill conceived "you can do anything" trend applied to business.
1118932;1430632689;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/aa075b09e01a54c45fd04bc72b13410b/tumblr_mxawg3UON21t1tru2o2_400.gif
1118933;1430632691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DUg3Rs )
1118934;1430632914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100359 @ 0.00026986 = 27.0829 BTC [+] {2} 
1118935;1430633229;mircea_popescu;http://www.find-t.co/ << pretty handy t.co braindamage reverser.
1118936;1430633231;assbot;Find the originating tweet
1118937;1430633646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94950 @ 0.00027331 = 25.9508 BTC [+]
1118938;1430635476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00027354 = 29.0226 BTC [+]
1118939;1430636513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00027224 = 13.9659 BTC [-]
1118940;1430636697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28506 @ 0.00028039 = 7.9928 BTC [+]
1118941;1430637245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94600 @ 0.00027993 = 26.4814 BTC [-] {2} 
1118942;1430639038;cazalla;https://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/34mrtk/wingdings_vs_pgp/
1118943;1430639039;assbot;Wingdings vs PGP : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1DM36I6 )
1118944;1430639258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93200 @ 0.00027194 = 25.3448 BTC [-]
1118945;1430639932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00027194 = 15.6094 BTC [-]
1118946;1430640784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174400 @ 0.00026864 = 46.8508 BTC [-] {2} 
1118947;1430642067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141600 @ 0.00027363 = 38.746 BTC [+] {2} 
1118948;1430642308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48298 @ 0.00027616 = 13.338 BTC [+]
1118949;1430643704;fluffypony;-----BEGIN DINGBAT PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
1118950;1430643704;fluffypony;❉ ✈ ➢ ❽ ✑ ✑ ❖ ✊✋ ✌ ✍ ❦ ❧ ✈ ✈
1118951;1430643704;fluffypony;✈ ➢ ❽ ✑ ✑ ❖ ✊ ✋✌ ❽ ✑ ✑ ❖ ✋✌
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1118953;1430643704;fluffypony;-----END DINGBAT PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
1118954;1430643718;fluffypony;that's awesome cazalla
1118955;1430643736;fluffypony;I'm using emoji encryption from now on
1118956;1430644932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104003 @ 0.0002731 = 28.4032 BTC [-]
1118957;1430645024;punkman;plaintext codes have their place
1118958;1430645114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105547 @ 0.0002731 = 28.8249 BTC [-]
1118959;1430645175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60100 @ 0.00027753 = 16.6796 BTC [+]
1118960;1430645691;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118747 <<< interesting
1118961;1430645691;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 02:11:26; decimation: yes, indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tXobY4ZWbc < a video of the 787 landing with the ram air turbine (pop out windmill) deployed
1118962;1430646944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72603 @ 0.00028275 = 20.5285 BTC [+]
1118963;1430647005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42401 @ 0.00027057 = 11.4724 BTC [-]
1118964;1430647311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207650 @ 0.00027057 = 56.1839 BTC [-]
1118965;1430647859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163039 @ 0.00027057 = 44.1135 BTC [-]
1118966;1430649689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104500 @ 0.00028003 = 29.2631 BTC [+] {3} 
1118967;1430653837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00027739 = 4.7434 BTC [-]
1118968;1430654325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00027739 = 10.4992 BTC [-]
1118969;1430657619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163381 @ 0.00026802 = 43.7894 BTC [-] {4} 
1118970;1430657680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75000 @ 0.0002662 = 19.965 BTC [-]
1118971;1430657802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53219 @ 0.00025921 = 13.7949 BTC [-] {2} 
1118972;1430659287;asciilifeform;davout: these were sop even in the days of airships: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/ZeppelinLZ127b.jpg << graf zeppelin. notice the windmill in middle-right of photo. powered radio room.
1118973;1430659291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJoX6S )
1118974;1430660852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139700 @ 0.00027545 = 38.4804 BTC [+] {2} 
1118975;1430661276;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you gotta restart it for the changes to take. you can also make a spare copy of it to run locally, it is simple enough.
1118976;1430661277;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1118977;1430661502;davout;asciilifeform: makes sense, wind and gravity are probably the two forces you can rely upon when airborne
1118978;1430661639;asciilifeform;re: old thread with mats: the heads really do fly off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-5svC6okQ
1118979;1430661640;assbot;Re: Sri Lankan Homicide/Suicide Bomber Attack terrorist - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIpEiU )
1118980;1430661730;asciilifeform;(see 2' 27" mark )
1118981;1430661859;asciilifeform;davout: what i find odd is that the modern machines have retractable windmills. retraction gear could fail.
1118982;1430661877;asciilifeform;a fixed pod would make more sense as emergency generator
1118983;1430661897;asciilifeform;(yes, would add something to fuel cost. cry a river.)
1118984;1430661917;davout;asciilifeform: not with gravity, that's how the retractable gear works in case of failure, pull a lever, it falls with gravity
1118985;1430661986;davout;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsYZJ5uRFE
1118986;1430661988;assbot;Airbus A320 Gravity Gear Handle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bRs7LQ )
1118987;1430664207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176805 @ 0.00027857 = 49.2526 BTC [+] {2} 
1118988;1430665915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145300 @ 0.00025728 = 37.3828 BTC [-] {2} 
1118989;1430667745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00025549 = 15.4827 BTC [-]
1118990;1430668204;jurov;Historia meretrix vitae est.
1118991;1430668274;jurov;or "lupa is more fitting?
1118992;1430670673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20916 @ 0.00027631 = 5.7793 BTC [+] {2} 
1118993;1430670917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00027436 = 11.7152 BTC [-]
1118994;1430670959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i figured you would, but i didn't wanna fuck with it.
1118995;1430671108;mircea_popescu;and speaking of fucking with it, http://31.media.tumblr.com/90fce7a8d6f8ddbb1afd46580c17728a/tumblr_n0ybfl8ZEC1svwz07o1_500.gif
1118996;1430671109;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWiTp4 )
1118997;1430671375;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118983 << a) trivial to make the retractor always fail out ; b) it'd add all sorts of costs, most of them subjective.
1118998;1430671375;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 14:04:57; asciilifeform: (yes, would add something to fuel cost. cry a river.)
1118999;1430672029;mircea_popescu;and re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117066 : teh trilema readership reminds me, alcibiades alcmaeonidos
1119000;1430672029;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 21:45:55; mircea_popescu: ascii_field there was this mildly famous gay boy of athens whose name escapes me at the moment, literally got a whole trireme detachment on unbacked promises of great pay (from persia iirc ?) and well... there they sat.
1119001;1430672381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 122 @ 0.0168 = 2.0496 BTC [-] {2} 
1119002;1430672503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120307 @ 0.00025541 = 30.7276 BTC [-] {2} 
1119003;1430672564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12143 @ 0.00025469 = 3.0927 BTC [-]
1119004;1430672717;mircea_popescu;"Specializing in the sort of ultimate tough-guy/manly man roles that hearken back to a different era in film, Sizemore continues to be a favourite of Hollywood's greatest directors."
1119005;1430672727;mircea_popescu;ahaha. children of a different era, i salute you.
1119006;1430672869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141108 @ 0.00026844 = 37.879 BTC [+]
1119007;1430673511;jurov;cazalla: check the qntra stmt
1119008;1430673660;mircea_popescu;jurov sig passes here ?
1119009;1430673687;jurov;lol despite being 6 rows no one reads it
1119010;1430673699;jurov;danielpbarron is spelt wrong and the number is misplaced
1119011;1430673728;mircea_popescu;tunnel vision lol. i checked the sig and the sum.
1119012;1430673731;mircea_popescu;4BD D16E 8EAF 4493 CB9C B36A E984 9D96 1AC9 << heh.
1119013;1430674944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144200 @ 0.0002672 = 38.5302 BTC [-] {2} 
1119014;1430675677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 120000 @ 0.0000985 = 11.82 BTC [-] {2} 
1119015;1430675799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41492 @ 0.00026844 = 11.1381 BTC [+]
1119016;1430677110;ben_vulpes;;;ticker
1119017;1430677112;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 241.67, Best ask: 241.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 241.67, 24 hour volume: 18254.72487711, 24 hour low: 233.75, 24 hour high: 243.73, 24 hour vwap: None
1119018;1430677750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027231 = 8.1421 BTC [+]
1119019;1430677933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45691 @ 0.00027263 = 12.4567 BTC [+] {2} 
1119020;1430678885;scoopbot_revived;News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume IX URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ix/
1119021;1430679824;ben_vulpes;^^ missing a footnote
1119022;1430680373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00027231 = 7.4885 BTC [-]
1119023;1430680903;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/evensong/
1119024;1430680904;assbot;Evensong ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pg85aJ )
1119025;1430682386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70104 @ 0.00027337 = 19.1643 BTC [+]
1119026;1430682752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00027918 = 19.9614 BTC [+] {2} 
1119027;1430682784;jurov;!up yhwh_
1119028;1430682852;jurov;assbot remembered me, nice
1119029;1430682963;davout;jurov: why wouldn't it?
1119030;1430682995;jurov;[19:37] --> assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) logged in
1119031;1430683148;davout;it deathed
1119032;1430683246;jurov;and then undeathed lol
1119033;1430683423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66408 @ 0.00027596 = 18.326 BTC [-]
1119034;1430683730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027596 = 8.2512 BTC [-]
1119035;1430684155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127504 @ 0.00027596 = 35.186 BTC [-]
1119036;1430684583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149312 @ 0.00027885 = 41.6357 BTC [+] {4} 
1119037;1430684933;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aty
1119038;1430685043;cazalla;jurov, thansk, i always check but for some reason missed that :\
1119039;1430685361;Adlai;ברוך אתה yhwh_ שלא עשני אשה
1119040;1430685655;jurov;He will smite you, you sexist
1119041;1430685701;cazalla;these cheaper chinese chainsaws on ebay versus a stihl or husqi, anyone know if price diff is worth it?
1119042;1430685739;cazalla;from what i've read, the stihl and husqis are made in china now too, and this is for only around the backyard use
1119043;1430685757;cazalla;stihl, i'd rather not take a cheap chainsaw to the knee
1119044;1430685837;jurov;chainsaw is the last thing i'd economize on
1119045;1430685909;mircea_popescu;cazalla i never bought one but i'm with jurov
1119046;1430685909;cazalla;!up deedbot-
1119047;1430685913;mircea_popescu;if that chain snaps...
1119048;1430685918;cazalla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2FZADTG.txt
1119049;1430685919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIZvfW )
1119050;1430685919;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1119051;1430685919;trinque;cazalla: up's no longer necessary
1119052;1430685922;Adlai;jurov: pls lrn your prayers, http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-has-not-made-me-a-woman/
1119053;1430685923;assbot;Who Has Not Made Me a Woman - My Jewish Learning ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIZxEy )
1119054;1430685931;cazalla;!down deedbot-
1119055;1430685942;trinque;cazalla: impossibru!
1119056;1430685951;Adlai;"Few Jewish religious texts have provoked as much indignation and discomfort as the brief passage that is recited by traditional Jewish men at the beginning of the daily morning prayers: “Blessed are you, Lord, our God, ruler of the universe who has not created me a woman.” For many, it expresses a quintessential misogyny that lies at the core of our patriarchal religion."
1119057;1430685995;*;Adlai can't make this shit up
1119058;1430686055;cazalla;i dunno Adlai, i'm thankful not to be a woman but i don't give daily thanks to it
1119059;1430686083;Adlai;;;gettrust yhwh cazalla
1119060;1430686084;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
1119061;1430686088;*;Adlai shrugs
1119062;1430686123;jurov;;;gettrust yhwh jesus
1119063;1430686125;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user jesus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=jesus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jesus | Rated since: never
1119064;1430686133;jurov;nope.
1119065;1430686186;mircea_popescu;shit
1119066;1430686200;mircea_popescu; /nick jesus > * jesus :Erroneous Nickname
1119067;1430686202;mircea_popescu;what teh bs.
1119068;1430686223;Adlai;if jesus was a jew
1119069;1430686227;Adlai;why did he have a mexican name
1119070;1430686297;mircea_popescu;almost as good.
1119071;1430686491;Adlai;what are the standards for mirroring pages in qntra articles? is archive.org goodenuff?
1119072;1430686574;mircea_popescu;no. archive.today
1119073;1430686579;mircea_popescu;archive.org is a pos.
1119074;1430686580;cazalla;Adlai, i've been using archive.today
1119075;1430686592;mircea_popescu;Adlai also, a copy on your own blog is a golden standard.
1119076;1430686657;Adlai;blog fragmentation seems an excellent way to cause eventual linkrot
1119077;1430686802;*;Adlai watches archive.today's squirming from being fed a facebook link, and is slightly aroused
1119078;1430686848;mircea_popescu;Adlai the idea being that if you cache a link on the very place where the link is referenced, you can't have link rot because if the place is up it's up and if it's down there's no link anyway
1119079;1430686887;Adlai;qntra is my own blog now?
1119080;1430686918;*;Adlai is honored and begins typing up "The Idiot's Guide to Blockchain Technology"
1119081;1430687633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68551 @ 0.0002805 = 19.2286 BTC [+]
1119082;1430687999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.0002805 = 13.3238 BTC [+]
1119083;1430688656;kakobrekla;jurov> assbot remembered me, nice < i think it checks wot status every time
1119084;1430691777;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << here you go, phixed
1119085;1430691778;assbot;    So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX3RiW )
1119086;1430691778;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1119087;1430691805;mircea_popescu;o hey, nice.
1119088;1430691812;asciilifeform;enjoy, l0l
1119089;1430691821;mircea_popescu;can it has ` thousands separator ? :D
1119090;1430691848;asciilifeform;go ahead, add it in. i forget how.
1119091;1430691871;*;asciilifeform does not do much wwwtronics
1119092;1430691875;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, last i wrote python most social justice warriors were prepubescent
1119093;1430692258;*;asciilifeform idly wonders what a 'phuctor' for ecdsa/btc would look like
1119094;1430692285;asciilifeform;or wait, this was already done long ago.
1119095;1430692287;mircea_popescu;get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke
1119096;1430692290;mircea_popescu;yup
1119097;1430692297;asciilifeform;it looked like a buncha derps coin vanishing into black hole.
1119098;1430692325;mircea_popescu;actually iirc the first iteration at least, derps were warned.
1119099;1430692351;asciilifeform;warned how? warning shot with nanocoin tx'ed out ?
1119100;1430692398;mircea_popescu;i don't recall, was a big deal thread cca 2012
1119101;1430692407;mircea_popescu;eventually they tracked down the offender source
1119102;1430692442;asciilifeform;something that ran on pNohes, i recall.
1119103;1430692455;asciilifeform;was reusing 'k'
1119104;1430692475;mircea_popescu;something like that.
1119105;1430692585;mircea_popescu;anwyay, when's the processing start!!11
1119106;1430692643;asciilifeform;if you wanna do the sausage slicing, feel free to start. otherwise it'll have to wait a little.
1119107;1430692649;mircea_popescu;o.O
1119108;1430692651;asciilifeform;(uploaded sausage last night)
1119109;1430692669;mircea_popescu;what's it waiting for ? to no longer have a great server at its sole disposal ?
1119110;1430692676;asciilifeform;l0l
1119111;1430692696;asciilifeform;it really doesn't need the whole box to itself!
1119112;1430692702;asciilifeform;can house 1,001 other things there
1119113;1430692713;mircea_popescu;cmon, today's the day, yest was the day, day b4 yest was the day, and so on for a whole week.
1119114;1430692733;asciilifeform;(by now mircea_popescu probably read the src and knows, approximately, how it works)
1119115;1430692735;mircea_popescu;5gb of keys will take a lot of processing. everything else can wait so THIS is started
1119116;1430692739;mircea_popescu;because it takes 4ever.
1119117;1430692769;mircea_popescu;for the record, www was comparably irrelevant. as long as the processing was started, where exact;y the www responds... whocares.
1119118;1430692779;mircea_popescu;comparatively*
1119119;1430692815;asciilifeform;www end is how we read the output
1119120;1430692818;asciilifeform;or am i missing something
1119121;1430692839;mircea_popescu;just max that box already.
1119122;1430692851;davout;lol
1119123;1430692866;asciilifeform;i keep thinking gpg has the key slicer functionality built in somewhere
1119124;1430692874;asciilifeform;and i'm a lamer, and don't know about it
1119125;1430692886;mircea_popescu;you keep thinking that if you proctastinate the parts that suck they'll get done by themselves.
1119126;1430692886;asciilifeform;anyone knows the secret ?
1119127;1430693370;scoopbot_revived;News! BitBet (S.BBET) April 2015 Statement URL: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-april-2015-statement/
1119128;1430693601;asciilifeform;https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current << l0l, apparently there is a real-time one.
1119129;1430693602;assbot;Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8vKLa )
1119130;1430693605;asciilifeform;no deep secret.
1119131;1430693672;mircea_popescu;#Digest-algo: md5 and unsigned
1119132;1430693678;mircea_popescu;WHAT IS WRON G WITH THESE PEOPLE
1119133;1430693738;mircea_popescu;/usr/local/bin/sks_build.sh << it has a script btw, to allow you to autoload in a db
1119134;1430693761;mircea_popescu;you can prolly steal the code from there.
1119135;1430693786;mircea_popescu;" I started doing a full build, it looked like it was going to take forever so I aborted it and switched to a quickbuild. On the 4-processor machine I was using it still took in the order of 40 minutes to run so this might take a while."
1119136;1430693787;mircea_popescu;heh.
1119137;1430693792;asciilifeform;http://code.google.com/r/google-sks-keyserver-hl1/source/browse/sks_build.sh?name=1.1.1&r=7f1cc4b1637ef119ba1f81afee0496c232bc2e10 << no such luck
1119138;1430693793;assbot;sks_build.sh -  google-sks-keyserver-hl1 -   Works for me - Google Project Hosting  ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSCDgJ )
1119139;1430693843;asciilifeform;gpgsplit (standard util) will cut'em but you end up with -all- packets sawed apart (signatures, email addrs, etc. floating around as separate flotsam and no longer agglomerated into pubkeys as customary)
1119140;1430693916;*;asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation of the sks thing
1119141;1430693956;asciilifeform;http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110110/list-all-gpg-pgp-keys-of-a-local-sks-key-server << other folks also pissed
1119142;1430693957;assbot;List all GPG/PGP keys of a local SKS key server - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSCWb8 )
1119143;1430694010;mircea_popescu;sks build /var/lib/sks/dump/*.pgp -n 10 -cache 100 <<
1119144;1430694087;asciilifeform;this sucks -in-, no ?
1119145;1430694097;mircea_popescu;yes, builds a db out of the pgp pile.
1119146;1430694112;asciilifeform;and then what
1119147;1430694114;mircea_popescu;that can then presumably be iterated, being a db. right ?
1119148;1430694138;asciilifeform;the docs suggest otherwise (mega-l0l, yes)
1119149;1430694145;mircea_popescu;how is this a db then.
1119150;1430694161;asciilifeform;how a turd is sausage.
1119151;1430694223;*;asciilifeform reading docs, because this is unbelievable
1119152;1430694242;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1119095 << eh?
1119153;1430694242;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke
1119154;1430694268;mircea_popescu;eh is not a supported query.
1119155;1430694274;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1119095 << wot?
1119156;1430694274;assbot;Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke
1119157;1430694281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00027231 = 17.0058 BTC [-]
1119158;1430694326;mircea_popescu;http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html
1119159;1430694327;assbot;Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8wK24 )
1119160;1430694404;Adlai;also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=143551
1119161;1430694404;assbot;Login ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8wPCG )
1119162;1430694419;Adlai;assbot pls
1119163;1430694425;asciilifeform;^ not readable
1119164;1430694436;asciilifeform;censored?
1119165;1430694457;Adlai;tl;dr: 'johoe' who took >250 coins from blockchain.info users by looking for predictable r-values
1119166;1430694470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no listen, so you construct the db, then have gpg spit out the list of fingerprints, then query it over that list. produces pubkyes.
1119167;1430694480;Adlai;then made a great public show of returning them to blockchain.info's creditors
1119168;1430694497;Adlai;now THAT is a hoodrobbin
1119169;1430694525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41450 @ 0.00026813 = 11.114 BTC [-] {2} 
1119170;1430694542;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja say at one point you had a keyserver going ?
1119171;1430694553;mircea_popescu;no ? i said one's being made. by mats
1119172;1430694554;asciilifeform;aha
1119173;1430694570;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/mats-pgp-keyserver
1119174;1430694571;assbot;[mats] PGP keyserver on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8x3tu )
1119175;1430694594;asciilifeform;because, it seems that in the course of this opera, we are setting up one sks key server
1119176;1430694611;asciilifeform;could let it run, even
1119177;1430694613;mircea_popescu;i'm shocked!
1119178;1430694617;asciilifeform;l0l
1119179;1430694628;mircea_popescu;you mean to tell me if we intend to use any FOSS thing the way that'll happen is if we write it first ?
1119180;1430694642;asciilifeform;turns out.
1119181;1430694657;asciilifeform;spittoon theorem.
1119182;1430694665;mircea_popescu;incredible. and the 50 years' worth of very useful dweebs pulling on their collective half inch worth of foreskin did what exactly ?
1119183;1430694670;mircea_popescu;other than fucking everything up.
1119184;1430694692;*;mircea_popescu has never despised old people this much ever before. and he's famous for despising old people.
1119185;1430694701;asciilifeform;if i ever were to learn what - i promise to say
1119186;1430694773;asciilifeform;'if i did not see as far as others, it is because midgets stood on my shoulders' (tm)
1119187;1430694796;mircea_popescu;more like, we're stuck either stepping in dogshit or standing on the shoulders of monkeys.
1119188;1430694805;mircea_popescu;grandiose shitchoice, what.
1119189;1430694808;*;Adlai views mircea_popescu as an 'old people' fwiw
1119190;1430694819;Adlai;this is the beauty of relativity
1119191;1430694855;asciilifeform;Adlai: who is old? fella with grey in his beard? or someone who can do arithmetic with a pen? or, or ?
1119192;1430694858;mircea_popescu;i'm not a computer engineer yo. i can be an old philosopher, old businessman, old financial genius, your pick.
1119193;1430694909;Adlai;asciilifeform: fella old enough to father WoT nodes
1119194;1430694927;mircea_popescu;old = privileged ?
1119195;1430694974;*;asciilifeform often experiences mindfuck in u.s. (and argentinian!) 'antique' shops on account of recognizing various objects (razors, furniture, bakelite phones, kitchen junk, etc.) from his childhood (which took place in a technologically and crapflationarily-behind by three or four decades part of the globe)
1119196;1430694975;Adlai;aha, better definition: old people are less likely to appreciate tatran
1119197;1430694976;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1ea44b17eb4bd24fad08a6d8be2a7933/tumblr_mpwxdoKMIA1rwmba9o1_500.gif >> check the chick out. she's all indignant but doesn't move a muscle to stop it.
1119198;1430694979;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSEz8X )
1119199;1430695015;asciilifeform;scam
1119200;1430695018;mircea_popescu;FC Tatran Pre�ov ?
1119201;1430695052;*;Adlai is listening to: Tatran - The Utilitarian (2:28)
1119202;1430695142;*;Adlai walked thru an openair market specializing in antiques last week, it was a bizarre display of sorted and assorted yet totally useless crap
1119203;1430695259;mircea_popescu;Adlai not bad i guess. background stuff, not actual music.
1119204;1430695271;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.619592,-58.372561,3a,90y,343.38h,88.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQcHu0kFpMZuYQ1vQpk7Jag!2e0!6m1!1e1 << that one
1119205;1430695272;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8xW5n )
1119206;1430695277;asciilifeform;mercado san telmo ?
1119207;1430695311;asciilifeform;it.
1119208;1430695352;Adlai;mircea_popescu: anything seems dead via youtube, or its moral equiv. let's talk after they tour b-as
1119209;1430695394;Adlai;sadly they are scam by zionism, and just tour back and forth the same 350km
1119210;1430695453;Adlai;https://vimeo.com/104435652
1119211;1430695453;assbot;TATRAN - Anar @ Oppikoppi Festival on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSFoOR )
1119212;1430695460;Adlai;(rare exception to the above)
1119213;1430695495;Adlai;but it's land of the scam. on the topic of which, is there some dibs mechanism for qntrarticles?
1119214;1430695540;*;Adlai has started research on a potential article, and would like to confirm that effort isn't wasted, or at the very least ,collaborate
1119215;1430696224;mircea_popescu;Adlai dibs ? how you mean ?
1119216;1430697148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97600 @ 0.00028233 = 27.5554 BTC [+] {2} 
1119217;1430697155;felipelalli;Sorry if this is old, but did you guys see that? https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/5f46da29fd02fd2a8a787286fd6a56f680073770
1119218;1430697157;assbot;Hard fork: allow 20MB blocks after 1 March 2016 · gavinandresen/bitcoin-git@5f46da2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSIYc2 )
1119219;1430697223;mircea_popescu;guy can do whatever he wants on his personal fork of bitcoin.
1119220;1430697235;felipelalli;true
1119221;1430697376;mircea_popescu;anyway, lots of maxsigop gnarl in there, not really worth the mention.
1119222;1430697441;mircea_popescu;slightly more relevant to bitcoin, http://33.media.tumblr.com/941c9b1776b9109fa66cc4fa6d3b3fcb/tumblr_n20wnbaE3x1rnrgxyo3_500.gif
1119223;1430697443;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtBcQ )
1119224;1430697476;felipelalli;Blockchain for the people! :]
1119225;1430697527;felipelalli;Blockchain next year: http://www.childwellness.eu/Afbeeldingen_basis/quiz_08_a.JPG
1119226;1430697528;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtKx0 )
1119227;1430697575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90951 @ 0.0002684 = 24.4112 BTC [-]
1119228;1430697579;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing power ranger lulz, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/03#l1430621769
1119229;1430697580;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtRZp )
1119230;1430698036;mircea_popescu;http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/05/03/youll-never-guess-who-is-investing-in-bitcoin.aspx
1119231;1430698037;assbot;You'll Never Guess Who's Investing in Bitcoin (GS) ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGuQZA )
1119232;1430698043;mircea_popescu;circle just diluted early investors even more.
1119233;1430698135;mats;do they even generate revenue?
1119234;1430698148;mircea_popescu;in the above form.
1119235;1430700395;decimation;asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request?
1119236;1430700566;decimation;or meet's mircea_popescu's spec?
1119237;1430701603;mircea_popescu;!up tailsnuckles
1119238;1430701612;mircea_popescu;neighbour got food delivered, entire hallway smells like wet dogs now.
1119239;1430701613;tailsnuckles;Hello
1119240;1430701632;mircea_popescu;two days ago, i got them up because it smelled like a gas leak. turns out... they had takeout.
1119241;1430701636;mircea_popescu;wtf do these people eat.
1119242;1430701651;mircea_popescu;decimation not so far as could be yet found.
1119243;1430701660;mircea_popescu;tailsnuckles who're you ?
1119244;1430701807;tailsnuckles;Franklin
1119245;1430701819;decimation;I can see a definite use case for people who just want a simple keyserver for themselves, but don't want to join the worldwide gpg mob
1119246;1430701828;decimation;I suspect the gpg mafia has a political stand on that point
1119247;1430701855;mircea_popescu;wait it's a mafia ?
1119248;1430701865;decimation;heh, nerd mafia
1119249;1430701912;mircea_popescu;i don't get it tho. how ? why ?
1119250;1430702203;hanbot;!deed http://dpaste.com/0AGDMHE
1119251;1430702203;assbot;dpaste: 0AGDMHE ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGzj8I )
1119252;1430702250;hanbot;!up deedbot-
1119253;1430702254;hanbot;!deed http://dpaste.com/0AGDMHE
1119254;1430702255;assbot;dpaste: 0AGDMHE ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGznFy )
1119255;1430702323;hanbot;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AGDMHE
1119256;1430702324;assbot;dpaste: 0AGDMHE ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXwDQc )
1119257;1430702324;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1119258;1430702335;trinque;hanbot: needs the text only url
1119259;1430702340;trinque;just .txt at the end
1119260;1430702355;trinque;also PSA, deedbot- voices himself now
1119261;1430702358;hanbot;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AGDMHE.txt
1119262;1430702359;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXwMn1 )
1119263;1430702359;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1119264;1430702367;trinque;hanbot: does it have the key that signed that yet?
1119265;1430702389;trinque;keys are added the same way
1119266;1430702402;hanbot;i registered last month iirc
1119267;1430702426;trinque;the particular key signing that doc needs to be added to deedbot by a WoT member
1119268;1430702520;mircea_popescu;http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-02-19-51-51.txt << trhis made it in somehow
1119269;1430702521;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXxoJb )
1119270;1430702559;decimation;mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the sks servers aggressively share keys
1119271;1430702578;mircea_popescu;http://www.nber.org/papers/w20171 << tl;dr "internet advertising doesn't do anything"
1119272;1430702580;assbot;Consumer Heterogeneity and Paid Search Effectiveness: A Large Scale Field Experiment ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXxyAp )
1119273;1430702586;mircea_popescu;decimation well yes
1119274;1430702591;decimation;lol news to nobody I hope
1119275;1430702616;mircea_popescu;decimation right. except "tech" is currently predicated on "google makes money".
1119276;1430702620;trinque;mircea_popescu: gpg barfs if I try verifying that by hand
1119277;1430702633;mircea_popescu;how, pray tell ? and what exactly is the only hope of revenue for fb, twitter and the whole rest of em ?
1119278;1430702691;asciilifeform;<decimation> asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request? << the sks servs dump, but in this mega-blob format where you get ~25MB of continuous gpg binary packet
1119279;1430702696;trinque;mircea_popescu: hanbot: teh barf http://dpaste.com/32XP8H9.txt
1119280;1430702697;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGA2GU )
1119281;1430702710;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> wtf do these people eat. << kimchi?
1119282;1430702734;*;asciilifeform lolz at mircea_popescu having moved into a flat, just as asciilifeform moved out of one
1119283;1430702742;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i like flats.
1119284;1430702745;asciilifeform;why
1119285;1430702752;hanbot;thanks trinque. i'm prolly stupiding somewhere, lookin'.
1119286;1430702762;asciilifeform;let me guess - can get 20 of them, and move around ?
1119287;1430702762;mircea_popescu;im a town guy , what can i tell you.
1119288;1430702768;trinque;could be you, could be me; we'll find out eh?
1119289;1430702771;trinque;hanbot: ^
1119290;1430702776;mircea_popescu;not that many houses one block away from the topological city centre
1119291;1430702786;asciilifeform;aha yeah.
1119292;1430702793;trinque;meanwhile the old one verifies by hand
1119293;1430702806;asciilifeform;though, i did see some warehousy run-down boxes begging for habitation
1119294;1430702822;asciilifeform;you could probably smelt aluminum in there and nobody'd notice.
1119295;1430702823;mircea_popescu;hanbot "Bets resolved from earlier placing periods: 1123, 1108, 1119, 803 " wtf is shit doing past the sig
1119296;1430702859;trinque;doesn't verify with that bit removed either
1119297;1430702903;mircea_popescu;decimation meanwhile in lalaland, http://www.iab.net/media/file/IAB_Internet_Advertising_Revenue_FY_2014.pdf "Internet advertising revenues (�revenues�) in the United States totaled $49.5 billion for the full year of 2014, with
1119298;1430702908;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGAjK5 )
1119299;1430702908;mircea_popescu;Q4 2014 accounting for approximately $14.2 billion and Q3 2014 accounting for approximately $12.2 billion.
1119300;1430702908;mircea_popescu;Revenues for the full year of 2014 increased 16% over 2013.
1119301;1430702908;mircea_popescu;"
1119302;1430702957;hanbot;yeh i've crufted it up. to be continued.
1119303;1430703066;mircea_popescu;anyway, more on point : i'm cooking up the advertising plan for eulora since it's about to come out. i intend to run it basically on a charitable basis, run ads on linux-dedicated stuffs that seem reasonable. if any of you got a place that fits feel free to send me a note.
1119304;1430703291;hanbot;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0QNFJVT.txt
1119305;1430703292;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGATYk )
1119306;1430703292;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1119307;1430703312;hanbot;there we go. thanks all!
1119308;1430703333;tailsnuckles;Hello
1119309;1430703396;tailsnuckles;Whats up
1119310;1430703400;mircea_popescu;in other news, google is a piece of shit.
1119311;1430703422;tailsnuckles;Mircea_popescu i am aka meowmix
1119312;1430703423;mircea_popescu;for instance : i wrote about a talented romanian dude, two years ago. https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=silviu+gherman+firmele+lui&complete=0 << his site ? #4. my post ? #5. 1-3 ? facebook.
1119313;1430703424;assbot;silviu gherman firmele lui - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGB5XC )
1119314;1430703459;mircea_popescu;because why ? because fuckall, "algorithm" consists of (set facebook, wikipedia, ebay on top).
1119315;1430703461;asciilifeform;<felipelalli> Sorry if this is old, but did you guys see that? https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/5f46da29fd02fd2a8a787286fd6a56f680073770 << axe-time, sword-time, wind-time, wolf-time...
1119316;1430703462;assbot;Hard fork: allow 20MB blocks after 1 March 2016 · gavinandresen/bitcoin-git@5f46da2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGB99z )
1119317;1430703473;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=webmaster+forum&complete=0 << check that one out.
1119318;1430703475;assbot;webmaster forum - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGBaKS )
1119319;1430703483;mircea_popescu;FIVE forums with exactly 0 relevancy of any kind, spammed into index.
1119320;1430703487;mircea_popescu;it doesn't work.
1119321;1430703520;mircea_popescu;if they pick results by hand they get results picked by hand. if they try to "algorithm" they get OWNED by the seo spammers.
1119322;1430703578;trinque;probably tuned by traffic numbers slurped from google analytics too
1119323;1430703580;asciilifeform;l0l herr meowmix with a cloak at last
1119324;1430703588;trinque;which more or less seems like google == reddit at that point
1119325;1430703592;asciilifeform;can we get him in wot ?
1119326;1430703598;felipelalli;what should be the first result in this case in your opinion?
1119327;1430703622;mircea_popescu;felipelalli in any case no dubious forum with 5k posts eh ?
1119328;1430703651;mircea_popescu;whatever they're called, point-something or the other.
1119329;1430703684;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKfpfsRsT-4 << this being the dude.
1119330;1430703685;assbot;Manuscrisul meu - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGBwRv )
1119331;1430703736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00028367 = 9.2193 BTC [+] {2} 
1119332;1430703756;hanbot;mircea_popescu artgorithm imitates life, go out and search for a "pizza", how many hits til you get something edible?
1119333;1430703774;mircea_popescu;but how many of them are cat litter ?
1119334;1430703800;hanbot;if "cat litter" = that which a cat would piss on before eating, most?
1119335;1430703812;mircea_popescu;lol
1119336;1430703826;mircea_popescu;I GOT NOTHING
1119337;1430704909;decimation;lol $49 bil for internet ads
1119338;1430704927;mircea_popescu;inb4 "it could buy ISIS!111"
1119339;1430704936;decimation;how is the ad industry not a giant leech on the productive, like lawyers?
1119340;1430704977;mircea_popescu;who's productive yo ?
1119341;1430704991;mircea_popescu;everyone else just contributes to costs! the ad industry contributes to revenue!!11
1119342;1430704995;decimation;heh
1119343;1430705020;decimation;It would be interesting to see an index which divides the us gdp by the aggregate spending on lawyers, marketing, and accountancy
1119344;1430705041;decimation;or rather than gdp, total corporate revenue
1119345;1430705958;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5MSqrK5Tbo << unrelated
1119346;1430705960;assbot;一式陸攻清掃 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNF6UU )
1119347;1430705990;asciilifeform;^ but reminiscent of our 'open source' archaeological misadventures.
1119348;1430706031;mircea_popescu;is that vietnam ?
1119349;1430706054;decimation;asciilifeform: highly likely to be scavanged and sold to the collector's market for parts
1119350;1430706062;asciilifeform;if comments are to be believed, is on some godforsakenisland
1119351;1430706081;decimation;although I suspect the japanese version of the market is different than the us one...
1119352;1430706104;asciilifeform;ballale island, supposedly.
1119353;1430706166;decimation;apparently the us collectors go adventuring in various backward islands in oceania where planes were crashed/buried/etc
1119354;1430706184;asciilifeform;http://www.solomontimes.com/news/removal-of-wwii-relics-in-solomons/967
1119355;1430706186;assbot;Removal of WWII Relics in Solomons - Solomon Times Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNFzq7 )
1119356;1430706229;decimation;it's big business to sell the parts to folks who want to 'restore' old aircraft
1119357;1430706265;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKbV4sSPHvc << claims it was -all- sold for 50kusd.
1119358;1430706266;assbot;Solomon Island Relics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNFH93 )
1119359;1430706284;*;asciilifeform wonders if it was paid in bejies or coke
1119360;1430706289;asciilifeform;*benjies
1119361;1430706309;decimation;heh yeah that sounds cheap
1119362;1430706349;decimation;I would like to see a collection of working german and russian aircraft
1119363;1430706365;decimation;the only decent display I've seen is the smithsonian at dulles
1119364;1430706396;asciilifeform;afaik most of what is flying, from that period, is 'cheating' with modern parts
1119365;1430706435;decimation;yeah I recently visited a workshop where they rebuild wwii aircraft
1119366;1430706443;decimation;they admitted that they are around 40% 'original'
1119367;1430706458;decimation;most of the parts are replicas hand-built to fit
1119368;1430706679;decimation;according to the wiki only two full Stukas exist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87
1119369;1430706681;assbot;Junkers Ju 87 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6BKT3 )
1119370;1430707640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35272 @ 0.00027623 = 9.7432 BTC [-] {2} 
1119371;1430708702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://youtu.be/B1TI7aqgfyk?t=2m2s << putin promised ar oil&gas exploration of 'largest deposit in south america', war machines incl. fighter jets, and - in the segment linked, to jurov's certain delight - a sp. lang. version of 'rt'.
1119372;1430708703;assbot;01.05.2015 Лучшая РЕЧЬ и ВЫСТУПЛЕНИЕ путина в Аргентине!  ВСЕМ СМОТРЕТЬ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qdv48t )
1119373;1430708708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did it happen ?
1119374;1430708897;asciilifeform;4" 30' commented re: falklandswank
1119375;1430709076;decimation;I don't get why argentinians give a fuck about falklands
1119376;1430709089;asciilifeform;same as jp re: kuril islands.
1119377;1430709097;asciilifeform;national wankatron
1119378;1430709129;decimation;yeah, it's always good democratic politics to get people to hate 'the other'
1119379;1430709227;asciilifeform;re: rt: https://youtu.be/Q8o9KBGAp70?t=30s << apparently it happened.
1119380;1430709228;assbot;ПУТИН и Кристина Киршнер запускают вещание КАНАЛА на испанском в Аргентине - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qdw38G )
1119381;1430709229;decimation;actually the uk would probably be pissed if russia exports the latest tech there
1119382;1430709229;asciilifeform;a few wks ago.
1119383;1430709296;asciilifeform;those drums in the background
1119384;1430709300;asciilifeform;very familiar.
1119385;1430709350;*;asciilifeform heard much the same rhythm near $hotel, professional 'protest' derps dropped by bus and marched around to it
1119386;1430709375;decimation;in ar? or dc?
1119387;1430709378;asciilifeform;ar
1119388;1430709428;decimation;add professional 'protestors' as another side-effect of social democracy
1119389;1430709459;*;asciilifeform wishes the ar folks luck in sinking that annoying naturally-occurring aircraft carrier currently infested with nato
1119390;1430709487;decimation;hey, the us was official neutral in the uk-ar war
1119391;1430709502;asciilifeform;brits tried to invoke nato, i am still unclear on why this did not work
1119392;1430709516;asciilifeform;technically met the conditions
1119393;1430709545;decimation;yes, this led to amusing stunts on behalf the brits, since they barely had an air force/navy/army on their own
1119394;1430709603;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck < "The attacking Vulcan was refuelled seven times on the outward journey and once on the return journey. "
1119395;1430709604;assbot;Operation Black Buck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6JyUZ )
1119396;1430709859;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfker6cK3SM << historic lulz
1119397;1430709860;assbot;Riots in Buenos Aires after Argentina lost the Falklands War - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qdxl3I )
1119398;1430710050;decimation;asciilifeform: in the context of the time, the us was probably worried about strengthening the cause of pro-soviet 'rebels' in south america
1119399;1430710242;decimation;according to the conservative heritage foundation, obama's people can't help themselves by stirring up shit in argentina http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/03/the-united-states-should-recognize-british-sovereignty-over-the-falkland-islands
1119400;1430710243;assbot;Falkland Islands: U.S. Should Recognize British Sovereignty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qdy0lH )
1119401;1430710629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00027146 = 11.6728 BTC [-] {2} 
1119402;1430710934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00028416 = 7.6297 BTC [+] {3} 
1119403;1430711361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that "largest deposit" thing, ie vaca muerta, is as best i can determine a massive government-sponsored scam.
1119404;1430711374;mircea_popescu;"we're gonna pretend like we got oil because it's the next best thing to actually going to work"
1119405;1430711605;mircea_popescu;re that 3,658 views youtube : them riots aren't as notable as a minor football game.
1119406;1430712188;*;asciilifeform did not drill, does not know
1119407;1430712209;asciilifeform;but it would be fitting if ru were to pay for hallucinated oil with hallucinated airplanes.
1119408;1430712223;asciilifeform;(which, afaik, is what happened)
1119409;1430712267;mircea_popescu;!up bmarch
1119410;1430712327;bmarch;hello, how is everyone?
1119411;1430712340;mircea_popescu;not bad.
1119412;1430712351;mircea_popescu;for the record the british vulcan is one of the shittiest bombers in history.
1119413;1430712464;mircea_popescu;basically a half load quarter range b52
1119414;1430712482;asciilifeform;how much bomber needed against poor orcs.
1119415;1430712640;mircea_popescu;if you're gonna make it....
1119416;1430712878;mircea_popescu;http://catriel25noticias.com/new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2326:estafa-con-promesa-de-trabajo-en-vaca-muerta&catid=130&Itemid=584
1119417;1430712880;assbot;Estafa con promesa de trabajo en Vaca Muerta - Catriel 25 Noticias 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKjX1Z )
1119418;1430712892;mircea_popescu;when's the last time the bulk of the news about a major find consists of various scams ?
1119419;1430712907;*;asciilifeform learned today that ar once knew how to make airplanes
1119420;1430712985;mircea_popescu;before shitheadism/peronism/populism, argentina was a major world power.
1119421;1430713078;asciilifeform;the jets were designed, it seems, by germans (naturally) under peron
1119422;1430713083;asciilifeform;but other than this - sure
1119423;1430713982;asciilifeform;' President Per�n envisioned that a benefit of setting up an aviation factory in Argentina would be to introduce production standards comparable to world-class manufacturing facilities. However, Tank realized that production tools and jigs were not feasible at this stage and relied instead on essentially hand-built examples.' (pediwikian l0l)
1119424;1430713984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00027065 = 10.9072 BTC [-] {2} 
1119425;1430713992;asciilifeform;why does this feel familiar.
1119426;1430717750;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2015/that-scary-thing/#comment-114039 << my take on the parsimony vs. decentralisation question
1119427;1430717751;assbot;That scary thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGU7Ni )
1119428;1430717797;pete_dushenski;i'm quite intrigued by the question.
1119429;1430718681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39676 @ 0.00027209 = 10.7954 BTC [+]
1119430;1430719118;pete_dushenski;maybe a better suggestion than the one above will materialise in my dreams. off to find out!
1119431;1430721731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00028049 = 14.5294 BTC [+] {3} 
1119432;1430722829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64850 @ 0.00028593 = 18.5426 BTC [+] {2} 
1119433;1430728197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00027877 = 1.5611 BTC [-]
1119434;1430738384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.0002729 = 6.2767 BTC [-]
1119435;1430739177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.0002729 = 12.0076 BTC [-]
1119436;1430740336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4754 @ 0.00026773 = 1.2728 BTC [-]
1119437;1430740397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42995 @ 0.00026706 = 11.4822 BTC [-] {4} 
1119438;1430741617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00026814 = 5.3628 BTC [+]
1119439;1430741833;davout;http://3v4l.org/tT4l8 <<< php win
1119440;1430741834;assbot;Run your PHP code in our online shell (150+ versions) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EReIPd )
1119441;1430742202;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/05/04/01016-20150504ARTFIG00156-un-sexagenaire-usurpait-la-photo-d-un-mannequin-pour-seduire-les-femmes-sur-le-web.php <<< such raep-lol
1119442;1430742202;assbot;Un sexagénaire usurpait la photo d'un mannequin pour séduire les femmes sur le web ... ( http://bit.ly/1bVUPez )
1119443;1430742278;davout;60 year-old ugly dude seduced women over the internet using fake profile pictures, has sex with lots of them by inviting them to get laid in the dark while blindfolded
1119444;1430742293;davout;you can't invent that shit
1119445;1430742590;davout;http://librairie.studyrama.com/images/thumbnails/0000/4737/RAEP_en_pratique_large.jpg
1119446;1430742591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERgJek )
1119447;1430743231;punkman;davout, is that his pickup-artistry book?
1119448;1430743336;davout;exactly
1119449;1430744057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176600 @ 0.00026488 = 46.7778 BTC [-] {4} 
1119450;1430744423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00026317 = 10.0399 BTC [-]
1119451;1430744522;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dMoK48QGL8
1119452;1430744524;assbot;Equal Pay for Monkeys - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1brSjw4 )
1119453;1430744835;mircea_popescu;ahaha scandalized monkey
1119454;1430744928;mircea_popescu;anyway, "fairness" is not involved there.
1119455;1430746239;davout;kakobrekla: nice one
1119456;1430746295;davout;"fairness, invented during the french revolution"
1119457;1430746414;davout;mircea_popescu: how is it not?
1119458;1430746444;mircea_popescu;animals fuck, that doesn't mean animals display "the human notion of love". they display the animal notion of love.
1119459;1430746452;mircea_popescu;therein depicted is some monkey behaviour.
1119460;1430746463;mircea_popescu;no matter what happens, it's still not going to be relevant to the human behaviour.
1119461;1430746475;kakobrekla;shupup monkey
1119462;1430746498;mircea_popescu;yes, i understand that cunts run perl and people on the internet posing as scientists with their "experiment" consisting of a two monkey show use cunts for brains
1119463;1430746509;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, regexp is not the basis for research, or knowledge.
1119464;1430746582;davout;animals can not display "the human notion of X", by definition
1119465;1430746587;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1119466;1430746612;davout;maybe fairness is meant in a broader sense than "the human notion of fairness"
1119467;1430746613;mircea_popescu;and inasmuch as a "animal fairness" is not in common use, calling that fairness is really not unlike calling the guy cunthead.
1119468;1430746626;davout;or as in "fairness as we thought was unique to humans"
1119469;1430746627;mircea_popescu;if it is, it's his job to explain it. not unnamed "philosophers'"
1119470;1430746656;mircea_popescu;yeah. we also thought the color red was unique to staplers, perhaps.
1119471;1430746677;mircea_popescu;who's "we" ? celia whatshername /
1119472;1430746716;mircea_popescu;for that matter, envy is what's at work there, not "fairness".
1119473;1430746734;mircea_popescu;the animal doesn't go "you know bob, this is un-sjw!!1". it goes "fuck you bitch!"
1119474;1430746775;davout;how'd you know it doesn't go "you know bob, this is un-sjw!!1, also fuck you bitch!"
1119475;1430746866;mircea_popescu;i don't.
1119476;1430746885;mircea_popescu;for all you know snakes are wise and the world rests on turtles.
1119477;1430746891;mircea_popescu;how do you know god didn't mean for you to be a woman ?
1119478;1430746919;davout;i'd tend to think that if this was envy, the first monkey would eat the cucumber, and then express some sort of anger at the experimenter, but yeah, what do i know, i'm not a monkey, at least, most of the time
1119479;1430746936;mircea_popescu;maybe eating the lesser food is how they enact group hierarchy
1119480;1430746955;mircea_popescu;and the monkey is going "fuck you bitch" quite literally at the experimenter, whom it (wrongly) perceives as a monkey of the same age and sex.
1119481;1430746956;kakobrekla;maybe cucumber is more healthy
1119482;1430746959;davout;yeah, sounds sensible
1119483;1430746969;mircea_popescu;so it doesn't want to be made his bitch.
1119484;1430746970;davout;cuntcumber
1119485;1430746990;mircea_popescu;maybe you know, random idiots who failed in academia and took to the internet with their dog and pony "scientific" show did this FOR A REASON,
1119486;1430747002;mircea_popescu;and that reason being that when you're stupid, you really need an audience that doesn't know better.
1119487;1430747011;mircea_popescu;then you can talk to it about "anthropologists" and not name any.
1119488;1430747015;mircea_popescu;everyone's happy.
1119489;1430747056;mircea_popescu;i know when russel told me that fairness was invented during the crusades, i fucking quoted him by the name on my blog.
1119490;1430747595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62825 @ 0.00026382 = 16.5745 BTC [+] {4} 
1119491;1430747656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52325 @ 0.00026226 = 13.7228 BTC [-]
1119492;1430748451;mike_c;"it looks like Goldman Sachs wants to get in on the ground floor."
1119493;1430748463;mike_c;i guess they haven't read mp's "you're too late" post
1119494;1430748596;mircea_popescu;iirc the pr bit specifically disclaimed any gs investment in bitcoin
1119495;1430749120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.0002621 = 5.8841 BTC [-] {2} 
1119496;1430749242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00026713 = 8.1742 BTC [+]
1119497;1430750954;pete_dushenski;"As the only woman likely to run for president as a Republican, Carly Fiorina, who officially announced her candidacy Monday, is the GOP’s counterweight to Hillary Clinton." << o hey look what the dead dog of silicon valley dragged in.
1119498;1430751074;pete_dushenski;somehow carla didn't end up mentioned in this article 2014/12/17/a-swimming-pool-of-idle-tears-wont-spare-the-affirmative-action-fallguy-shes-still-the-canary/ but she was definitely in mind when writing it.
1119499;1430751087;pete_dushenski;hell, come to think of it, she inspired the whole damned piece.
1119500;1430751108;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/17/a-swimming-pool-of-idle-tears-wont-spare-the-affirmative-action-fallguy-shes-still-the-canary/ link correction
1119501;1430751110;assbot;A swimming pool of idle tears won’t spare the affirmative action fallguy. She’s still the canary. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1dI7TW9 )
1119502;1430751190;pete_dushenski;this exact same fembot v. fembot routine played out in alberta over the last 3 years.
1119503;1430751194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.0002672 = 10.1937 BTC [+] {2} 
1119504;1430751235;pete_dushenski;of course, neither fembot made it to this upcoming election, which just so happens to be tomorrow.
1119505;1430751272;pete_dushenski;both were sacrificial lambs to appease sjwesque monkeys, and are now but dust.
1119506;1430751274;mircea_popescu;jesus christ.
1119507;1430751280;mircea_popescu;the woman that sunk hp.
1119508;1430751329;pete_dushenski;or the woman that was thrown in the fire when it was clear that the building was going down and the firefighters were no longer of any use
1119509;1430751680;pete_dushenski;"Police in Texas killed two men who opened fire on a security officer outside a contest to draw cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, the Associated Press reported." << hahaha a muhammad drawing *contest* !! you just know that's going to lead to fireworks.
1119510;1430751682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.017 = 1.7 BTC [+]
1119511;1430751826;mircea_popescu;nah, not at all. she got hired as a great brilliant mind, came up with her brilliant great plan, some men grumbled but w/e, woman haters. it got implemented, it was a disaster, she was canned.
1119512;1430751828;mircea_popescu;that's her story.
1119513;1430751848;mircea_popescu;that she's even got the nerve to set foot outof the house is very reminiscent of that horvath character.
1119514;1430751902;pete_dushenski;ah well in that case... burn the witch!
1119515;1430751906;pete_dushenski;!s horvath
1119516;1430751907;assbot;6 results for 'horvath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=horvath
1119517;1430751950;pete_dushenski;ah, not the asian one then, the white one.
1119518;1430751956;pete_dushenski;so hard to keep 'em all straight.
1119519;1430752680;mats;http://teslaclubsweden.se/test-drive-of-a-petrol-car/
1119520;1430752902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00026178 = 10.89 BTC [-]
1119521;1430752971;mircea_popescu;in "the glory of linux", chapter eleventy billion : find . -size 1258 finds nothing. find . -size 1267 finds nothing. find . -size -64 finds all the 1258 and 1267 byte files the previous two didn't find.
1119522;1430752990;mircea_popescu;because not only is 1258 not equal to 1258, it is also smaller than 64.
1119523;1430753063;mircea_popescu;(you hafta add c after the number if you mean bytes. because that's logically neither the default nor is anything wrong with ignoring b silently)
1119524;1430753065;pete_dushenski;"Avoiding that one hundred kilo iron lump in the front of the car makes it so much easier to build safe cars." << yes, because road-going zeppelins are the pinnacle of automotive safety. lol.
1119525;1430753085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22165 @ 0.00026169 = 5.8004 BTC [-] {2} 
1119526;1430753129;pete_dushenski;still, some funny lines in there. good find mats !
1119527;1430753166;pete_dushenski;bbl
1119528;1430753536;mircea_popescu;"We asked if the constant sound of the engine -that frankly disturbed us from being able to listen to the radio- could be turned off. But it couldn�t. Very distracting."
1119529;1430753541;mircea_popescu;lol fucktarded future is here.
1119530;1430753636;mircea_popescu;" How much does it cost to fill up at home," << are these people fucking retarded ?
1119531;1430753702;mircea_popescu;not like it's free at home. a liter of gasoline = a dollar = 3kWatt-hours = a dollar or w/e
1119532;1430753908;mircea_popescu;"It is still unhealthy to breathe in � and smells very bad!" dude srsly, sweden is on euro 4. you can't even tell it exhausts something.
1119533;1430754715;mats;http://blog.jwhitham.org/2015/05/review-undodb-reversible-debugger.html
1119534;1430754717;assbot;Jack Whitham: Review: UndoDB, a reversible debugger ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIaLMH )
1119535;1430756684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188842 @ 0.00025545 = 48.2397 BTC [-] {4} 
1119536;1430757373;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu: no matter what happens, it's still not going to be relevant to the human behaviour. <--  I may not be a monkey but I am a primate
1119537;1430757398;mircea_popescu;sure.
1119538;1430757519;funkenstein_;anyway how are things asseteers?  sorry i've been out of touch, a lot of logs to go through ;)
1119539;1430757580;mircea_popescu;you will have to bear in mind that all hominid species other than us are extinct. this isn't some sort of direct lineage, as the layman often imagines.
1119540;1430757592;mircea_popescu;monkeys are our (rather distant) cousins, not our uncles or something.
1119541;1430757639;funkenstein_;it's a good point, all species have evolved the same amount of time
1119542;1430757673;mircea_popescu;moreover, the split is what, 10mn year old.
1119543;1430757716;funkenstein_;yet we are both frugivores who highly value sexuality beyond reproduction
1119544;1430757741;mircea_popescu;it's unclear we're "frugivores". humans altogether seem carnivores.
1119545;1430757753;mircea_popescu;facultative rather than obligate, but anyway
1119546;1430757756;funkenstein_;uh, no.  without fruit we die quickly
1119547;1430757767;funkenstein_;without meat, we just live longer with fewer diseases
1119548;1430757822;funkenstein_;but lets not go down that route, we eat what we can and what we please and enjoy it :D
1119549;1430757822;scoopbot_revived;News! Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2015 Statement URL: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-april-2015-statement/
1119550;1430757835;mircea_popescu;jurov ^ (shares added)
1119551;1430757877;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the 10mn years thing : the oldest split that created the rat (murines) as different from other rodents is about 13mn years ago.
1119552;1430757911;mircea_popescu;buncha many kinds of rats spawned cca 3mn years ago.
1119553;1430757926;funkenstein_;wow, that is not that long ago.  crocodiles didn't change much over that time.
1119554;1430757928;mircea_popescu;same is true of humans, and like in the case of those rats (and most other mammals), the alternatives are extinct
1119555;1430757982;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ that's kind-oif the point here. all sorts of fraud available to people trying to push pseudo-anthropology agendas. like for instance people don't readily understand just how huge the genetic and paleohistoric gap between us and chimps is.
1119556;1430758016;funkenstein_;it's hard to tell how rapidly we are changing in this context as well
1119557;1430758021;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1119558;1430758117;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ for the record, no fruit was part of the human diet for the longest time (until the persians actually invented fruit - which is exactly what they did)
1119559;1430758146;mircea_popescu;just like maize was not part of the diet until the aztecs invented it.
1119560;1430758190;funkenstein_;so scurvy was epidemic?
1119561;1430758205;mircea_popescu;no, because you can get vitamin c out of all sorts of other sources.
1119562;1430758214;mircea_popescu;the problem with sailing was that they had no fresh stuff
1119563;1430758220;mircea_popescu;and c vitamin oxidizes quickly
1119564;1430758251;mircea_popescu;if you think about it - they could have used say dried figs, if it was ~fruitness~ specifically.
1119565;1430758254;mircea_popescu;it wasn't.
1119566;1430758401;mircea_popescu;but this aside, yes scurvy - and to a much larger degree  pellagra - were endemic and major qol reducers up until very recently. one of the many "blessings" of agrarian settlement.
1119567;1430758459;mircea_popescu;they couldn't really tell, between bubonic plague and malaria and everything else the "better" social arrangements blessed them with.
1119568;1430758659;fluffypony;https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/595268180425183232
1119569;1430758705;funkenstein_;in more current news, a small scoop offering http://frass.woodcoin.org/on-chumponomics/
1119570;1430758707;assbot;On Chumponomics | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1ES0xt8 )
1119571;1430758810;mircea_popescu;fluffypony heh
1119572;1430758845;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ you actually maintaining that blog ?
1119573;1430758951;mircea_popescu;"Bob: Don't worry, we factored that into our budget after they upped Avagadro's number in China last year."
1119574;1430758952;mircea_popescu;epic
1119575;1430758977;funkenstein_;barely :)
1119576;1430758984;funkenstein_;hehe
1119577;1430758994;mircea_popescu;well if you intend to it can go into the list. but do you ?
1119578;1430759010;funkenstein_;yeah thanks
1119579;1430759023;mircea_popescu;speaking of employers and induced if purely oral relevancy, http://40.media.tumblr.com/9a6686594091b93f65a8538168937c39/tumblr_mwryfhBxFh1rtyv3jo1_500.jpg
1119580;1430759024;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELDXBl )
1119581;1430759043;mircea_popescu;;;later tell williamdunne add http://frass.woodcoin.org/ to list plox
1119582;1430759044;assbot;Free your Frass | Blogulations on Coinologies by Funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELE1ks )
1119583;1430759044;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1119584;1430759091;danielpbarron;funkenstein_, "why not place the Earth at the exact center of a set of large mechanical spheres with seem to move at arbitrary unexplained speeds?"  spheres which* seem
1119585;1430759275;funkenstein_;thanks
1119586;1430759289;mircea_popescu;"can be point " "usually pinpoint"
1119587;1430759340;mircea_popescu;but the idea that any fiat-oriented economics is essentially studying fart flow is sound, and yes it's all a matter of diffusion.
1119588;1430759365;mats;12:58:25 <+funkenstein_> in more current news, a small scoop offering ... << "ren ming bi" == "renminbi"
1119589;1430759372;mircea_popescu;certainly your model is a lot better than anything keynes spit out, or hence.
1119590;1430759376;trinque;"fart flow" << ahahaha
1119591;1430759399;mircea_popescu;hopefully i get to drink champagne off a chick's tits at the ceremony where an 80yo gets a major prize for this advance.
1119592;1430759402;mats;additionally, the yuan is the unit, and renminbi is the currency, so it would not be correct to use that construction "every dollar, every renminbi, ..."
1119593;1430759773;mircea_popescu;"Il a �t� mis en examen pour �viol par surprise� en mars dernier."
1119594;1430759779;mircea_popescu;ahaha. bs.
1119595;1430759932;davout;"monkeys are our (rather distant) cousins, not our uncles or something." <<< "l'homme descend du singe, sauf pour certains, qui y remontent"
1119596;1430759946;mircea_popescu;lol
1119597;1430759964;chatquack;*gasp*
1119598;1430759976;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's really about as nonsensical as "carbon causes global warming". men and apes have a common ancestor is all.
1119599;1430759983;mircea_popescu;men and salamanders do too.
1119600;1430760083;mircea_popescu;davout anyway, nothing in that piece makes me think this is anything but a very sad drama, of an old man who is being rejected merely for being old, and is forced to live in a society where random woman (who is no spring chicken either, "une trentaine my foot") can send him to prison arbitrarily.
1119601;1430760121;mircea_popescu;how about she is affixed to a whipping post in front of the town church for two weeks, for being a disgusting nag and a total stereotypist ?
1119602;1430760146;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking scandalous in any case.
1119603;1430760149;chatquack;Hiya BingoBoingo, been a while
1119604;1430760154;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1119605;1430761124;funkenstein_;the guy would have done better using the money for legal fees at the local puterie
1119606;1430761223;funkenstein_;but some people either think deception is part and parcel of courtship, or perhaps just get off on it.
1119607;1430761273;funkenstein_;anyway, i don't think they will be able to make lying about your age a violation.
1119608;1430761396;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: "Lets just continue" << Let's*
1119609;1430761426;pete_dushenski;btw, you should write more !
1119610;1430761451;pete_dushenski;"Lets talk fiat." <<
1119611;1430761516;pete_dushenski;"Lets consider two extreme" << ok, now it's just a stylistic thing.
1119612;1430761880;kakobrekla;fuck you im fixing stuff
1119613;1430761905;funkenstein_;the base fact that words were being strung together to convey meaning had somehow escaped me
1119614;1430761958;funkenstein_;now I am trying to catch up, but it seems the form itself is still somewhat fluid
1119615;1430761995;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: i'm yanking your chain :)
1119616;1430762039;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: well, as fluid as the author in any event.
1119617;1430762101;pete_dushenski;that's what a blog is, really, an expression of one's ability to swish and swirl one's energies into new spaces.
1119618;1430762185;kakobrekla;anyway i fixed the twitter parser - its not working now. all back to normal.
1119619;1430762229;BingoBoingo;Sweet ty kakobrekla
1119620;1430762310;funkenstein_;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HGKofrl7u4 <- pete_dushenski's keyboard
1119621;1430762311;assbot;Roland Kirk-Clickety Clack - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKMRwS )
1119622;1430762325;trinque;http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/china-rates-its-own-citizens-including-online-behaviour~a3979668/ << chicom-WoT
1119623;1430762329;assbot;China rates its own citizens - including online behaviour | Buitenland | de Volkskrant ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKMS3T )
1119624;1430762338;trinque;except not a WoT at all
1119625;1430762362;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: heh. clicketyCLACK.
1119626;1430762431;trinque;seems when the US disintegrates it'll be chinese totalitarianism the world has to endure next
1119627;1430762465;pete_dushenski;chicom thing's not a wot, no, but rather a bizarre quantification of fleisch
1119628;1430762492;pete_dushenski;but how else do you manage a billion plus without reducing them to ones and zeroes ?
1119629;1430762492;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: "“More transactions means more bandwidth and CPU and storage cost, and more cost means increased centralization because fewer people will be able to afford that cost.” << isn't the rebuttal to that on your blog?
1119630;1430762503;thestringpuller;per http://gavinandresen.ninja/time-to-roll-out-bigger-blocks
1119631;1430762516;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_> anyway, i don't think they will be able to make lying about your age a violation. << should be funny if they do... fill the jail up with 29 yo women.
1119632;1430762548;trinque;pete_dushenski: I don't know that you manage them doing this either
1119633;1430762575;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: yup, http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/11/the-economics-of-sinking-20-mb-gavincoin-blocks/ and http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/
1119634;1430762576;assbot;The economics of sinking 20 MB Gavincoin blocks. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKN9UI )
1119635;1430762578;assbot;How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKN9UK )
1119636;1430762578;mircea_popescu;jurov you know, i don't read the current propaganda either.
1119637;1430762589;mircea_popescu;i mean on occasion, to lol at the hopresident
1119638;1430762638;pete_dushenski;trinque: 'at least we tried'
1119639;1430762701;trinque;Without such a mechanism doing business in China is risky, she stresses, as about half of the signed contracts are not kept. 'Especially given the speed of the digital economy it is crucial that people  can quickly verify each other's creditworthiness.' << wearing a deer-skin and calling yourself bambi
1119640;1430762706;trinque;there needs to be a term for that
1119641;1430762728;trinque;where the lie's the inversion of the truth
1119642;1430762729;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> anyway i fixed the twitter parser - its not working now. all back to normal. << win
1119643;1430762773;pete_dushenski;trinque: 'teaching the controversy' is a variant thereof
1119644;1430762774;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1119645;1430762781;trinque;pete_dushenski: yes it is
1119646;1430762808;mircea_popescu;<trinque> seems when the US disintegrates it'll be chinese totalitarianism the world has to endure next << the price for vanity is rape. that's what the derps in the sec thinking they;re above doing what i tell you to do are doing toi themselves ; that's what the derps thinking theyre "vcs" and not humbling coming in here are doing for themselves.
1119647;1430762811;ascii_field; # sks cleandb Fatal error: exception Not_found
1119648;1430762813;mircea_popescu;vanity means rape.
1119649;1430762816;ascii_field;^ mega-l0l
1119650;1430762822;ascii_field;dyfunctional garbage sop
1119651;1430762861;mircea_popescu;poor ascii_field and the shit im sticking him in ;/
1119652;1430762902;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you're the worstbest thing that ever happened to ascii_field
1119653;1430762912;mircea_popescu;lol
1119654;1430762926;ascii_field;as per mircea_popescu's ancient observation, this one's an instance of 'it works on my box'ism
1119655;1430762952;ascii_field;that is, the other folks - who probably all eat lunch together - got sks running
1119656;1430762953;mircea_popescu;no but seroiusly, lemme tell you - he wrote that phuctor thing, it's like 500 lines, and so sanely laid out i could go in there and understand what it does and how to modify it within ~5 minutes.
1119657;1430762960;trinque;mircea_popescu: indeed, seems they will try (and fail) to implement components of the republic in the style of massive government
1119658;1430762974;mircea_popescu;people who have no idea how to code go by the "well it works". this guy actually codes by "well this is how it should go"
1119659;1430763001;mircea_popescu;it's very subtle, the quality, but for this reason valuable. not aggresing sanity and common sense is worth a heck of a lot more than "making it work"
1119660;1430763002;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i think he might be a keeper ;)
1119661;1430763003;ascii_field;i shat that thing out in ~1 day, too
1119662;1430763008;trinque;"look we're going to centralize breathing. breathing is now banned; the central govt will breathe for you"
1119663;1430763010;ascii_field;it isn't rocket surgery, this
1119664;1430763026;ascii_field;fucking ancient greek tech
1119665;1430763030;ascii_field;(euclid's gcd algo)
1119666;1430763040;pete_dushenski;rocket surgery, no, surgical rocket, yes.
1119667;1430763056;ascii_field;to be fair, the first time i wrote it, it sucked donkey cock (wrote gcd in python, it was dog-slow and O(n^2) )
1119668;1430763070;ascii_field;then rewrote with gmp (what gpg uses)
1119669;1430763108;pete_dushenski;trinque: seems nuts to us, then again, there's a method to the chinese madness or else they wouldn't have ruled so much of the world for so much of modern history.
1119670;1430763130;pete_dushenski;and produced so many of the world's greatest tech.
1119671;1430763130;scoopbot_revived;News! American Green Deploys Two Bitcoin Capable Vending Machines URL: http://qntra.net/2015/05/american-green-deploys-two-bitcoin-capable-vending-machines/
1119672;1430763134;mircea_popescu;yes. the method is : people are idiots and if you're going to parent them, you gotta parent them.
1119673;1430763142;pete_dushenski;*technologeeees.
1119674;1430763227;trinque;I'll admit I'm about as far removed from being able to understand Chinese culture as possible
1119675;1430763246;mircea_popescu;im no expert either.
1119676;1430763249;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: actually china is a case study in failure to develop (invented, sure, but -develop-) various techs
1119677;1430763276;pete_dushenski;no argument here.
1119678;1430763292;pete_dushenski;seems the europeans have been far stronger at taking the baton and running with it.
1119679;1430763304;pete_dushenski;but from whence the baton ? often china.
1119680;1430763321;pete_dushenski;it's actually a hell of a team they form.
1119681;1430763359;mircea_popescu;ascii_field that part is indisputable, but cui malo ?
1119682;1430763742;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#515199 << related vintage mega-thread
1119683;1430763742;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2014 04:48:55; asciilifeform: of, you could say, insufficiently high temperature in the simulated-annealing sense.
1119684;1430763809;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#515214 << mega-recommended b00k
1119685;1430763809;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2014 04:52:44; asciilifeform: rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West', T. E. Huff
1119686;1430764055;mats;^ http://faculty.washington.edu/snoegel/PDFs/reviews/11%20-%20Huff%201996.pdf
1119687;1430764059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKPUoO )
1119688;1430764072;mats;(review)
1119689;1430764146;ascii_field;that review is a zoological specimen indeed
1119690;1430764153;ascii_field;written by a real rotter of a liberast
1119691;1430764158;ascii_field;(see last paragraphs!)
1119692;1430764170;ascii_field;how dare we say that a culture sucked!
1119693;1430764203;mircea_popescu;lol
1119694;1430764223;mircea_popescu;ascii_field my question remains tho. so they fucked up science. indisputable. to whose detriment ?
1119695;1430764233;ascii_field;own?
1119696;1430764237;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1119697;1430764239;ascii_field;they almost got bulldozed in '30s
1119698;1430764252;mircea_popescu;almost only counts in special olympics.
1119699;1430764252;ascii_field;only by sheer luck, there is still such a thing as chinese
1119700;1430764265;mircea_popescu;only by sheer luck is there such a thing as the us, too.
1119701;1430764271;ascii_field;aha
1119702;1430764344;ascii_field;but, in my analysis, if it weren't for su's heavy diddling, the place would've been carved into manageable bantustans by usa post-war
1119703;1430764358;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1119704;1430764375;mircea_popescu;alternatively : cixi's refusal of railroads did have the end effect of no railroads. but also, of silence.
1119705;1430764481;mircea_popescu;suppose chinese monarch had refused... windows. apple. whatever.
1119706;1430764501;ascii_field;forgo railroads - enjoy the silence - until better folks come along and lower your people into untermenschenrasty and build own rails
1119707;1430764516;mircea_popescu;except... it didn't quite work like that.
1119708;1430764535;mircea_popescu;some ills are apparently unavoidable, sure. but the "better folks" got raped meanwhile.
1119709;1430764576;pete_dushenski;and now china can't afford silence ?
1119710;1430764604;mircea_popescu;well certainly not anymore than japan can afford samurais.
1119711;1430764616;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1119712;1430764732;pete_dushenski;so now the chinese are in the position of the europeans 60 years ago.
1119713;1430764763;pete_dushenski;wherein they're overburdened with structural issues but no superior alternative is knocking down their door.
1119714;1430764786;pete_dushenski;so they're at once the "better folks" and the untermenschen.
1119715;1430764812;pete_dushenski;how's that supposed to go ?
1119716;1430764832;mircea_popescu;im not sure i follow this model.
1119717;1430764835;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: this is actually the historic ru model of development, once termed 'colonialism with crown as the sole european'
1119718;1430764846;ascii_field;see peter I, etc
1119719;1430764878;mircea_popescu;it seems altogether probable that's what the chinese communist party envisages as ideal, and acts as if were the case.
1119720;1430764910;mircea_popescu;course the model worked historically about as well as welfarism (aka popular democracy)
1119721;1430764915;ascii_field;goes kinda like this: 'my subjects are rubbish and only fit as cannot fodder or to be worked to death in the mines. possibly after x centuries of this, we can make some better ones.'
1119722;1430764964;ascii_field;this is, in a way, an inescapable professional disease of cultures that 'got' industry in a hurry
1119723;1430764976;mircea_popescu;the worst part of that being that it's actually true.
1119724;1430764976;ascii_field;(ru, cn, jp, in)
1119725;1430764980;mircea_popescu;us.
1119726;1430764985;ascii_field;aha us
1119727;1430765016;mircea_popescu;this is the inescapable human condition : most people are exactly rubbish
1119728;1430765035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62732 @ 0.00025421 = 15.9471 BTC [-]
1119729;1430765141;pete_dushenski;which puts the enormity of the chinese quandary in perspective.
1119730;1430765153;ascii_field;how culture answers this realization - determines, largely, whether you get zimbabwe or britain etc
1119731;1430765179;pete_dushenski;how to manage a 130 billion lbs of rubbish ??
1119732;1430765187;mircea_popescu;the problem, of course, being that with globalization you really can't get options. it'll have to be pret a porter, one thing universally.
1119733;1430765189;ascii_field;throw in sea, build artificial island!
1119734;1430765204;trinque;pete_dushenski: probably by reducing them to insecure, servile rubbish
1119735;1430765223;pete_dushenski;that servile part is key
1119736;1430765224;trinque;this scheme of the govt giving you a report card seems intended towards precisely that
1119737;1430765228;pete_dushenski;and already part of chinese culture
1119738;1430765242;mircea_popescu;moreover, didn't japanese employees have to pass physicals at work ?
1119739;1430765243;pete_dushenski;us got the insecure part, but without the servility.
1119740;1430765251;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761526
1119741;1430765251;assbot;Logged on 19-07-2014 03:41:36; asciilifeform: even ancient china, apparently, had 'cram schools.' (see miyazaki, 'china's examination hell' - neat little monograph on the subject)
1119742;1430765256;ascii_field;^ mega-b00k on subject
1119743;1430765259;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well, waistline tax.
1119744;1430765279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9762 @ 0.00026048 = 2.5428 BTC [+]
1119745;1430765329;mircea_popescu;anyway, the general idea of people who did intellectual work with/in china is that the chinese folk, while broadly very servile, are utterly uncreative.
1119746;1430765347;ascii_field;u.s. became the kind of inscrutable and thoroughly-dysfunctional beast we know today partly through the '50-'60s preoccupation with mindgames and 'programmatory' psychochumpatronics, where 'they must not realize they are servile' was the mandatory algo
1119747;1430765353;mircea_popescu;whereas the western folk, while broadly useless, can at least be selected for sanity.
1119748;1430765402;mircea_popescu;ascii_field kinda what makes people unhappy. any slave'll tell you, there's monumental fulfillment in submission.
1119749;1430765407;ascii_field;uncreative << incidentally, it is not necessary to travel to china to witness this. u.s. academia today is solidly confucian (not merely ethnically, this - only in part - but in -operation-)
1119750;1430765438;ascii_field;and virtually every physical sciences whateverthefuck in usa is solidly east asian in staffing
1119751;1430765549;mircea_popescu;hey, they got a feeding hole, and are feeding.
1119752;1430765563;mircea_popescu;confucianism IS very good at a well specified set of tasks.
1119753;1430765744;ascii_field;not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
1119754;1430765816;ascii_field;entire departments of u.s. universities have been converted into cn embassies of a kind
1119755;1430765832;ascii_field;where everything is run on their traditional scheme and on their meatwot
1119756;1430765930;mats;discussions on cn in here are always entertaining
1119757;1430765952;ascii_field;http://carlyfiorina.org << mega-l0l
1119758;1430765954;assbot;Carly Fiorina failed to register this domain. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKzaB )
1119759;1430765960;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: how cn cost of living at us university ?
1119760;1430765971;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: they mail the usd home
1119761;1430765984;pete_dushenski;aha.
1119762;1430765990;mircea_popescu;mats way off ?
1119763;1430765993;ascii_field;where it buys cars, houses, fattens children (raised by grandparents) etc
1119764;1430766017;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ftr, that's pretty much how eastern europe ran throughout the 90s too.
1119765;1430766037;ascii_field;even now (where is the adult male population of latvia, and why ? etc )
1119766;1430766049;mircea_popescu;problem is meanwhile it retardified.
1119767;1430766065;mats;mircea_popescu: meh. cn history is inscrutable, even to chinese.
1119768;1430766073;mircea_popescu;fortunately the us is not large enough to retardify china, but i think we're gonna see some pretty spectacular purges down the road.
1119769;1430766100;mircea_popescu;mats sort-of like trilema :D
1119770;1430766141;mats;14:48:49 <+mircea_popescu> anyway, the general idea of people who did intellectual work with/in china is that the chinese folk, while broadly very servile, are utterly uncreative. << i hear such things repeated all over the english speaking internet... might as well be a meme now
1119771;1430766163;mircea_popescu;might be yeah
1119772;1430766195;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: afaik adult male latvians are working in germany and britain.
1119773;1430766209;ascii_field;^ aha.
1119774;1430766209;mircea_popescu;as opposed to adolescent female latvians ?
1119775;1430766318;scoopbot_revived;News! Your Own, Personal, Failure URL: http://thewhet.net/2015/your-own-personal-failure/
1119776;1430766447;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1119777;1430766499;mats;most pre-modern recorded chinese history is exceedingly unreliable
1119778;1430766523;mats;this unreliability is magnified the further back you go
1119779;1430766528;ascii_field;even i knew this.
1119780;1430766552;ascii_field;cn never really invented 'history' in the euro sense (of at least attempting de-mythologized recordkeeping)
1119781;1430766566;mircea_popescu;mats word.
1119782;1430766591;mircea_popescu;contemporary records are just as unreliable, it's just that meanwhile our friends in the us inhabituated us with this barbarism
1119783;1430766876;mircea_popescu;ascii_field tbh, i suspect the euro notion of truth never really caught on, even in its own colonies.
1119784;1430766893;mircea_popescu;judea bastardized it into some sort of idiotic mysticism, which is really just rehashing their pre-existing idiocies
1119785;1430766923;mircea_popescu;new world did exactly the same thing, dressed its solipsism to look like euro truth. but it's still solipsism
1119786;1430766932;ascii_field;obligatory:
1119787;1430766942;mircea_popescu;to this day the principal value of latin america literature is its patent insanity in this sense.
1119788;1430766950;ascii_field;'I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, ‘History stopped in 1936’, at which he nodded in immediate understanding. We were both thinking of totalitarianism in general, but more particularly of the Spanish civil war. Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even
1119789;1430766950;ascii_field;the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building
1119790;1430766951;ascii_field;emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’. ' (orwell, 'looking back on the spanish war')
1119791;1430767003;mircea_popescu;i mean think about it, dialectics was a novel device early 1900s, impressive and all.
1119792;1430767010;mircea_popescu;then again in early 2000s.
1119793;1430767031;mircea_popescu;imagine a programming language in which bubblesort was periodically rediscovered with awe.
1119794;1430767035;mircea_popescu;must be java-something, right ?
1119795;1430767070;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised at how often this kind of thing -actually- plays out in programmaretarddom
1119796;1430767085;mircea_popescu;i would not be surprised. i'm a manager, recall ?
1119797;1430767099;mircea_popescu;much more keenly aware of how retarded engineers are than the contrary.
1119798;1430767144;ascii_field;e.g., java folks 'discovered' garbage collection in mid 90s (after mccarthy invented it in 1960, but this 'does not count' because reasons.)
1119799;1430767226;mircea_popescu;herpderp's rules or what was it.
1119800;1430767232;mircea_popescu;"crocker"
1119801;1430767241;ascii_field;l0l
1119802;1430767249;ascii_field;crock'o'shit
1119803;1430767272;mircea_popescu;"Blanton, Brad 1996, Radical Honesty: How To Transform Your Life By Telling The Truth"
1119804;1430767292;mircea_popescu;hopefully he has a patent for this
1119805;1430767305;mircea_popescu;"a novel method to live. not previously described in art."
1119806;1430767311;ascii_field;'radical nutrition: how to transform your life by not eating shit'
1119807;1430767332;ascii_field;'novel method of non-coprophagic alimentation'
1119808;1430767338;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs
1119809;1430767340;assbot;Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk (Miss). - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlNHDd )
1119810;1430767413;ascii_field;i will add, for interested readers, that mccarthy's garbage collection (and other items) 'did not count' for the same precise reason why mpex 'does not count' to american muppets, and in general why the annoying kid who 'throws the curve' and sends entire classroom of imbeciles to the bottom of the sea, is decreed to 'not count.'
1119811;1430767553;trinque;no one could possibly have been that far ahead of everyone else
1119812;1430767568;ascii_field;no one could possibly (TM)
1119813;1430767631;ascii_field;obligatory: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3203922895939197@naggum.net.html
1119814;1430767632;assbot;Re: Engineering Envy [was: Re: CL and UML] - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlOqV7 )
1119815;1430767682;ascii_field;'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter".  The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others.  There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains.  If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impression that they
1119816;1430767682;ascii_field;are precisely adopting one of those two options.  (Social democracy is a little more advanced: Kill everything outside 2 sigma.)'
1119817;1430768024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00027016 = 17.7495 BTC [+]
1119818;1430768118;jurov;qntra shares distributed
1119819;1430768350;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1119820;1430768634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00027159 = 28.0688 BTC [+] {2} 
1119821;1430768849;funkenstein_;How about educate the morons?
1119822;1430768859;ascii_field;educate amoeba
1119823;1430768887;funkenstein_;Often the "exploiter" is just a moron that has been given a gun and a uniform.
1119824;1430768898;trinque;you'd have to first have the power to compel the morons to learn
1119825;1430768912;ascii_field;funkenstein_: who holds the rifle during deer season? man or deer? and why
1119826;1430769026;funkenstein_;actually they will not let you wear a police uniform if you score too well on standardized tests
1119827;1430769041;trinque;cop isn't the exploiter in that scenario
1119828;1430769045;trinque;the thing he works for is
1119829;1430769183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00027166 = 11.0837 BTC [+]
1119830;1430769460;funkenstein_;hmm. . exploitation (n.)   1803, "productive working" of something, a positive word among those who used it first
1119831;1430769484;funkenstein_;Bad sense developed 1830s-50s, in part from influence of French socialist writings (especially Saint Simon), also perhaps influenced by use of the word in U.S. anti-slavery writing;
1119832;1430769582;pete_dushenski;"Canada's Bombardier Inc and Egypt's Orascom Construction and Arab Contractors will build a $1.5 billion monorail near Cairo, Egypt's housing minister said.The 52 kilometre (32 mile) project is set to be completed by mid-2018 with funding from a 14-year loan" << monorail, monorail, MONORAIL!
1119833;1430770149;ascii_field;achtung, panzers!
1119834;1430770154;ascii_field;http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/glibc-iconv-Implementation.html << wtf is this thing doing in bitcoind
1119835;1430770155;assbot;The GNU C Library: glibc iconv Implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMxYk6 )
1119836;1430770199;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1119837;1430770208;ascii_field;7f1d6731d000-7f1d67324000 r--s 00000000 08:14 14287177                   /usr/lib64/gconv/gconv-modules.cache
1119838;1430770212;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^^^^
1119839;1430770271;ascii_field;in other news, https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-3459
1119840;1430770345;BingoBoingo;Fuck, telnet on an infusion pump???
1119841;1430770989;trinque;BingoBoingo: hospital networks are required by law to be secure; I don't see the problem with this
1119842;1430771542;BingoBoingo;trinque: Putting aside the nonsensical "hospital" and "secure", home use of these things isn't uncommon
1119843;1430771555;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: with ethernet ?!
1119844;1430771560;trinque;BingoBoingo: just kidding
1119845;1430771571;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Yes, "telemedicine"
1119846;1430771830;BingoBoingo;!up PFate
1119847;1430771834;BingoBoingo;1up miaviator
1119848;1430771847;PFate;thanks
1119849;1430772003;BingoBoingo;!up mariorz
1119850;1430772043;BingoBoingo;!up mats
1119851;1430772056;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1119852;1430772093;mats;vulns being released for Hospira equipment due to pending acquisition by Pfizer
1119853;1430772156;BingoBoingo;Ah
1119854;1430772180;jurov;!up miaviator
1119855;1430772230;jurov;PFate: this is just for 30mins, so speak up if you want
1119856;1430772255;PFate;i just got booted from conneciton, not sure i have much to talk about ATM
1119857;1430772574;mod6;<+ascii_field> http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/glibc-iconv-Implementation.html << wtf is this thing doing in bitcoind << is this another automagically linked in pos to glibc?
1119858;1430772575;assbot;The GNU C Library: glibc iconv Implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1EM1zFX )
1119859;1430772583;ascii_field;aha.
1119860;1430772593;mod6;ok gotcha. thanks for the heads up.
1119861;1430772621;ascii_field;mod6: now, as far as i can tell, it doesn't jam up the attempted static build
1119862;1430772625;ascii_field;but wtf is that thing even in there for.
1119863;1430772782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48800 @ 0.00027337 = 13.3405 BTC [+] {2} 
1119864;1430772928;mats;http://www.dawn.com/news/1177304/pakistan-was-with-us-when-china-stood-isolated-xi-jinping
1119865;1430772929;assbot;Pakistan was with us when China stood isolated: Xi Jinping - Home - DAWN.COM ... ( http://bit.ly/1EM2dmO )
1119866;1430772954;mats;http://www.firstpost.com/world/heres-why-indian-strategists-should-worry-about-chinas-46-billion-offering-to-pakistan-2205216.html
1119867;1430773554;*;lobbes got his new 'training laptop' installed with debian over the weekend. 
1119868;1430773621;lobbes;Now to change the init to something other than systemd (for reasons I don't fully grok yet, other than it is being pushed pretty aggressively, from what I gather)
1119869;1430773646;lobbes;and the whole 'roll up all the things into one thing'
1119870;1430773662;lobbes;which seems to make sense as against what makes linux strong
1119871;1430773665;lobbes;I've much to learn
1119872;1430773777;lobbes;so far, it feels noticeably faster than the windows 8.1 that came with the machine (toy)
1119873;1430773894;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1119874;1430773898;lobbes;!up mats
1119875;1430774003;scoopbot_revived;News! Mining Difficulty Increases, Albeit By A Small Amount URL: http://qntra.net/2015/05/mining-difficulty-increases-albeit-by-a-small-amount/
1119876;1430774783;mats;http://ninanews.com/Website/News_Details.aspx?nekwQc6WuB41yVcAbB4fbA%253d%253d << heh. 'we dun wanna fite nemore'
1119877;1430774785;assbot;National Iraqi News Agency - NINA ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHbZt9 )
1119878;1430774947;ascii_field;achtung, panzers!
1119879;1430774949;ascii_field;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000088.html
1119880;1430774950;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1SKoK )
1119881;1430774974;ascii_field;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full Orphanage Thermonuke.
1119882;1430774991;ascii_field;current height == 129871
1119883;1430775148;ascii_field;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^^^^^
1119884;1430775188;ascii_field;memory footprint climbs very, very slowly. as far as i can tell, thus far, this is 100% due to fragging
1119885;1430775192;ascii_field;(as previously mentioned)
1119886;1430775219;ascii_field;also the thing syncs ludicrously quickly.
1119887;1430775865;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1119888;1430775869;BingoBoingo;!up mats
1119889;1430775969;ascii_field;'To honour, while you strike him down, / The foe that comes with fearless eyes; / To count the life of battle good, / And dear the land that gave you birth, / And dearer yet the brotherhood / That binds the brave of all the earth.' (TM) (R)
1119890;1430775980;ascii_field;which one of you folks will be the brave man, who tests this one.
1119891;1430776047;ben_vulpes;wowee, ascii_field
1119892;1430776058;ben_vulpes;field-testing's the easy part (sort of)
1119893;1430776072;ben_vulpes;pulling the pin under fire much less so
1119894;1430776087;ascii_field;testing is just a cheat-heuristic for finding structural problems
1119895;1430776097;ascii_field;if real hero - go straight to reading
1119896;1430776126;ascii_field;note that this one isn't a backport from anyone
1119897;1430776142;ascii_field;it is 95% amputation
1119898;1430776189;ascii_field;incidentally, memory footprint pegs out at ~120M
1119899;1430776197;ascii_field;again strongly suggesting fragging
1119900;1430776213;ascii_field;(why? exercise for the alert reader. if no one gets, i will explain at some point)
1119901;1430776238;ascii_field;current blockheight == 146226
1119902;1430776248;mircea_popescu;ascii_field o srsly ?
1119903;1430776252;ascii_field;aha.
1119904;1430776369;mircea_popescu;As of April 30, 2015, the new price for .ws domains has been increased to
1119905;1430776369;mircea_popescu;$18.98 per year.
1119906;1430776371;mircea_popescu;heh.
1119907;1430776380;ascii_field;again, this is a very preliminary thing. i strongly encourage others to attempt replication.
1119908;1430776412;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://www.original-political-cartoon.com/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/2014/09/24/zeccopy.jpg__700x591_q85_crop_upscale.jpg << obligatory
1119909;1430776413;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHfEr8 )
1119910;1430776570;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2015#1119821 << "i have a cure for quadriplegics : alcohol rubs!"
1119911;1430776570;assbot;Logged on 04-05-2015 19:47:29; funkenstein_: How about educate the morons?
1119912;1430776605;mircea_popescu;"they're invigorating, to the people who can walk ; selling alcohol helps the echonomy".
1119913;1430776631;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it occurs to me that the word funkenstein_ was looking for, to describe the economy of chumps (whose coin is the bezzlar) would be... echonomy.
1119914;1430776643;mircea_popescu;sort-of works on the infinite mirrors principle.
1119915;1430776719;ascii_field;l0l!
1119916;1430776728;ascii_field;yes.
1119917;1430776762;mircea_popescu;"All the benefits of loadable modules are available in the GNU C Library implementation. This is especially appealing since the interface is well documented (see below), and it, therefore, is easy to write new conversion modules."
1119918;1430776765;mircea_popescu;gotta love 'em.
1119919;1430776783;mircea_popescu;anyway, what would it be doing in bitcoin. waiting for when libnss is yanked out, to kick in.
1119920;1430776791;ascii_field;many interesting observations could be written re: the echonomy; taxonomy of chumps (free-range vs corralled, etc.) and the like
1119921;1430776807;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha. the spittoon is brim-full and rancid
1119922;1430776811;mircea_popescu;maybe once we get 100k pounds a year to study our memories of collegiate dentistry.
1119923;1430776830;mircea_popescu;"The drawback of using loadable objects is not a problem in the GNU C Library, at least on ELF systems. Since the library is able to load shared objects even in statically linked binaries, static linking need not be forbidden in case one wants to use iconv."
1119924;1430776843;mircea_popescu;and this is on www.gnu.org/
1119925;1430776850;ascii_field;'we will slip the cock in with such grease that you will never notice'
1119926;1430776856;ascii_field;is the equation here.
1119927;1430776891;*;ascii_field knew that mircea_popescu's antennae would stand up from reading that thing
1119928;1430776909;mircea_popescu;and all this so that idiots can use their idiot alphabets.
1119929;1430776920;mircea_popescu;fuck you, everyone. 27 letters or go back to your fucking yurt.
1119930;1430776942;ascii_field;not even.
1119931;1430776945;mircea_popescu;computers are for humans not for whatever the fuck special needs monkeys use "diacritics"
1119932;1430776954;ascii_field;it is so that idiots can use 1,001 incompatible encodings for their hieroglyphs
1119933;1430776982;ascii_field;(recall 'mule' debacle in emacs ? that almost killed it as a living project ?)
1119934;1430777001;mircea_popescu;myeah
1119935;1430777012;ascii_field;the real mega-question is why it is in bitcoin
1119936;1430777019;mircea_popescu;because it was there.
1119937;1430777053;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2015#1119852 << hehe ayup
1119938;1430777053;assbot;Logged on 04-05-2015 20:41:33; mats: vulns being released for Hospira equipment due to pending acquisition by Pfizer
1119939;1430777211;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: tried your rng yet ?
1119940;1430777478;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2015#1119553 <<< speaking of crocodiles, welcome to australia http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-04/crocodile-captured-in-daly-watersjpg/6443998
1119941;1430777478;assbot;Logged on 04-05-2015 16:45:26; funkenstein_: wow, that is not that long ago.  crocodiles didn't change much over that time.
1119942;1430777479;assbot;Crocodile captured at Daly Waters - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHicoX )
1119943;1430777563;mircea_popescu;mats meh, the entire china pakistan thing seems overstated.
1119944;1430777563;ascii_field;still syncing
1119945;1430777572;ascii_field;151566
1119946;1430777645;mircea_popescu;ascii_field didja put instrumentation in place to measure speed or bw ?
1119947;1430777667;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i have a clock on the wall
1119948;1430777671;ascii_field;that so far is the instrument
1119949;1430777675;ascii_field;this was 10 min of work, srsly
1119950;1430777677;mircea_popescu;aha ok
1119951;1430777683;ascii_field;tonight i'ma valgrind it
1119952;1430777683;mircea_popescu;myeah reading the patch now
1119953;1430777757;mircea_popescu;ascii_field would help if you can also measure bw used/block
1119954;1430777780;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1119955;1430777784;ascii_field;if any part of the patch does not make immediate sense, ask now - i'm about to get into a wheeled coffin for a few hrs
1119956;1430777813;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is wondering about wasted bw (of which there is megatonnes) ?
1119957;1430777815;mircea_popescu;seems pretty clear. plus as davout would say, it's quicker.
1119958;1430777823;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't perceive what the great danger is here.
1119959;1430777829;mircea_popescu;it doth not alter verification or anything
1119960;1430777831;ascii_field;air filter convo from c3
1119961;1430777849;ascii_field;it raised my suspicions by working 'too well'
1119962;1430777861;mircea_popescu;and yes i wonder about bw. not such megatonnes.
1119963;1430777887;ascii_field;a block gets fetched, here, potentially infinitely many times
1119964;1430777899;mats;mircea_popescu: i agree. US strategists, on the other hand, should be concerned
1119965;1430777905;mircea_popescu;definitely.
1119966;1430777915;mircea_popescu;which is why the piece howls like so. "india should be concerned about how we pooped our pants"
1119967;1430777923;ascii_field;every time someone spews out a bastard, we end up snarfing preceding blocks
1119968;1430777985;ascii_field;but it really cooks, in terms of apparent performance on the runway
1119969;1430778008;mircea_popescu;see past 300k.
1119970;1430778013;ascii_field;the purpose of this patch, incidentally, was not to cure what ails us, but to make it possible to intelligently study the fragging
1119971;1430778017;mircea_popescu;most everyone has low index blocks sorted anyway
1119972;1430778069;mircea_popescu;(there's a passive gossip-y sort of sorting that occurs as time goes by, because new clients join and so the "overall" blockchain is ever more sorted in early blocks as time goes by)
1119973;1430778294;ascii_field;mega-fraggage
1119974;1430778297;ascii_field;~130MB
1119975;1430778316;ascii_field;and, tell-tale sign, non-monotonic
1119976;1430779431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47550 @ 0.00027008 = 12.8423 BTC [-] {2} 
1119977;1430779749;cazalla;;;later tell Vexual your boy zhenya http://www.afr.com/technology/bitcoin-trader-digital-cc-aims-to-become-the-uber-of-money-transfers-20150504-1mxo0j
1119978;1430779751;assbot;Bitcoin trader Digital CC aims to become the Uber of money transfers | afr.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7JTeg )
1119979;1430779751;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1119980;1430780053;trinque;"the uber of X" jesus christ
1119981;1430780065;trinque;that's the new "facebook of X"
1119982;1430780113;trinque;"er uh... you know how Uber like, disrupted... something? yeah we want to disrupt too"
1119983;1430780118;trinque;*activate main disrupter array*
1119984;1430780159;trinque;meanwhile somewhere in a dark, dusty WU cubicle, "Sir! You wont believe this but... someone's *disrupting* us!"
1119985;1430780365;jurov;on second thought, the simile is even more funny
1119986;1430780392;jurov;because it means, they are going to recruit gobs of chumps to do their dirty work cheaply
1119987;1430780515;williamdunne;Isn't the 'Uber of' thing about getting your users to supply the infrastructure rather than getting the expensive assets yourself?
1119988;1430780533;williamdunne;i.e AirBNB has no property
1119989;1430780534;mircea_popescu;at great coist to themselves.
1119990;1430780536;williamdunne;Uber has no cars
1119991;1430780552;mircea_popescu;airbnb is even funnier, the fine for being part of it is what, 4-5k in ny ?
1119992;1430780566;williamdunne;Everything the USG does is funny
1119993;1430780568;trinque;sure, that's been the whole social web scam since forever
1119994;1430780588;williamdunne;I don't see it as a scam, maybe you can change my mind, but it seems like a pretty efficient way to do things
1119995;1430780589;mircea_popescu;i fail to see the difference between "here's how to cook if you have hardwood floors" and "here's how to make 30 bux (out of which we take half) by taking on 5k liability"
1119996;1430780615;williamdunne;I've not used Uber before, but I have used AirBNB and it was cheaper than a premier Inn but in a really nice house in the centre of London
1119997;1430780617;williamdunne;Room was clean
1119998;1430780620;williamdunne;Food was good
1119999;1430780620;williamdunne;etc
1120000;1430780637;williamdunne;People said they've enjoyed doing it and earn more than just renting out the room
1120001;1430780646;williamdunne;win/win/win, no?
1120002;1430780657;mircea_popescu;i also had nice experiences with crack whores. still not much of a business model.
1120003;1430780690;williamdunne;Well sure, I wouldn't invest in an AirBNB hotel
1120004;1430780698;williamdunne;But I don't think that is the point
1120005;1430780708;williamdunne;Its meant to be renting spare rooms not a dedicated hotel, no?
1120006;1430780713;williamdunne;Sorta the point
1120007;1430780724;mircea_popescu;it's not legal to rent rooms in places not deidcated for this purpose.
1120008;1430780731;mircea_popescu;for an entire array of perfectly sound reasons
1120009;1430780738;williamdunne;Since when was anyone here interested in what is legal?
1120010;1430780747;trinque;lol who is this kid
1120011;1430780754;mircea_popescu;mkay. it's nonsensical to rent rooms in places not dedicated for this purpose.
1120012;1430780820;mircea_popescu;sort-of like impromptu dentistry and hobbist airplane piloting, this.
1120013;1430780838;mircea_popescu;if it works great and if it blows up... whoops.
1120014;1430780850;mircea_popescu;nobody could have foreseen a blow-up, we're success-oriented these days
1120015;1430780853;*;trinque notes that he can't yet find profit numbers for airbnb
1120016;1430780870;mircea_popescu;trinque from what i hear they're about to get litigated into the ground.
1120017;1430780896;mats;they're not publicly traded
1120018;1430780902;mircea_popescu;unlike musk, they're not actually somebody. hard to put up a fight. even with graham's efforts.
1120019;1430780975;williamdunne;I dunno, maybe I'm missing something but it seems like a pretty solid alternative for short stays. Wouldn't use it for a holiday but, a weekend in a new city? Sure.
1120020;1430780995;williamdunne;Seems like a lot more can go wrong with amateur dentistry than amateur room-renting
1120021;1430781013;williamdunne;Just like amateur-programming, and amateur-boxing rarely result in death
1120022;1430781015;williamdunne;Well
1120023;1430781021;williamdunne;Maybe amateur boxing not so much
1120024;1430781022;trinque;first guest leaves ass crabs in the bed for the next guest
1120025;1430781026;trinque;who's liable when #2 sues
1120026;1430781037;trinque;right answer is goddamn everyone gets sued, including airbnb
1120027;1430781046;williamdunne;Renter you would hope, for not cleaning the sheets
1120028;1430781052;williamdunne;Landlord?
1120029;1430781056;williamdunne;Doesn't sound right
1120030;1430781068;trinque;so they're going to get dragged into fight after fight, yet they're delegating control over the situation to just about anyone
1120031;1430781101;trinque;so really in intending to minimize their risk they've maximized it
1120032;1430781103;trinque;or so I read
1120033;1430781122;trinque;s/ass crabs/rapist in closet/ or whatever
1120034;1430781155;mats;why would you possibly want to use airbnb
1120035;1430781175;mats;why not just invite a homeless person into my home and let him stay there for a few days
1120036;1430781180;mats;and then move back in
1120037;1430781189;trinque;mats: because wisdom of crowds == disruption
1120038;1430781191;mats;same filthy experience
1120039;1430781197;trinque;and we uh, want to disrupt
1120040;1430781204;mod6;<+ascii_field> [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Full Orphanage Thermonuke. << Just saw this on the train & read patch. Great work!
1120041;1430781211;mod6;<+ascii_field> 'we will slip the cock in with such grease that you will never notice' << heheh, yeah pretty much.
1120042;1430781257;trinque;mod6: right, and everyone on both ends of the transaction will ultimately try to blame their reputation system or whatever didn't work
1120043;1430781277;mats;i'd rather be slapped in the face with half a dozen cocks than sleep in a mystery airbnb bed
1120044;1430781284;williamdunne;trinque: Doesn't look like there has been too much going wrong, a few cases of houses being vandalized, or customers being dickholes
1120045;1430781286;williamdunne;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbnb#Incidents_and_renters.27_security
1120046;1430781287;assbot;Airbnb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GW2ggw )
1120047;1430781296;williamdunne;mats: How do you deal with hotels?
1120048;1430781312;trinque;hotels are places which deal with this shit every day
1120049;1430781320;trinque;and are a good hotel to the extent that they do that well
1120050;1430781335;trinque;when I was a teenager I did IT monkey stuff for a Hilton
1120051;1430781336;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> and yes i wonder about bw. not such megatonnes. << this was the thought that came to my mind too.
1120052;1430781357;trinque;poor hotel cleaning ladies dealt with actual human shit far more often than I'd have expected
1120053;1430781363;trinque;or god knows what other kinds of mess in the rooms
1120054;1430781411;jurov;!up shesek
1120055;1430781427;mod6;so, I have that deb6 aws env still... I used to use MRTG, but now I guess this 'RRD' thing is all the rage.  I know for sure that I can test mem on a 1s interval with vmstat and capture that with `script`.  I'd really like to compare the network traf of full sync with the patch, and without.
1120056;1430781486;mod6;So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph these things.  Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo.
1120057;1430781512;trinque;end-cap on the thread is that this trend of Ubering seems to be about trying to dissolve responsibility
1120058;1430781515;trinque;that's the "innovation"
1120059;1430781521;mod6;got an AMI built from stage3 with a new kernel, which promptly kernel panic'd when I used said AMI to provision a new system
1120060;1430781565;mod6;then, I tried the same thing without a new kernel, with the same result.  I'm gonna try one more time with kernel and see if I get any different results.
1120061;1430781568;trinque;"We could deploy a carnival so much more quickly if we didn't bother with safety precautions, and instead let each guest assemble his piece of the rides, and signing off that he is personally liable for that part."
1120062;1430781598;mod6;I don't think I will... so not really sure where to go on that.  trinque, I think you're gonna have to help me build this thing; if you can.
1120063;1430781607;trinque;ok
1120064;1430781636;trinque;mod6: I have my own needs for a nicely scripted gentoo-ec2 deployer
1120065;1430781643;trinque;might build one this week
1120066;1430781645;jurov;what kind of panic?
1120067;1430781650;mod6;sec...
1120068;1430781682;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-hardened-nomultilib-default-kernel.txt
1120069;1430781683;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWyb3b )
1120070;1430781749;trinque;first thought is whether that's actually an ext4 volume
1120071;1430781757;mod6;(this error is from the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel)
1120072;1430781757;trinque;and you only have the ext3 support turned on
1120073;1430781814;mod6;i don't have evidence to support this claim: i'm very sure everything was setup for ext4
1120074;1430781818;trinque;mod6: post the .config
1120075;1430781846;mod6;<+mod6> (this error is from the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel) << no new kernel, no .config
1120076;1430781856;trinque;well what kernel is it though
1120077;1430781878;trinque;you just ran genkernel all ?
1120078;1430781883;mod6;now, the new one I'm trying; that one has a .config -- that's actually the last thing I just did in the steps, config'd the kern, build the kern.  now need to make the AMI and try it.
1120079;1430781914;mod6;i didn't do anything special in that case.  tbh, didn't know I had to, or even what to do, if anything.
1120080;1430781929;mod6;There was some talk that one wouldn't/shouldn't need to change kernels anyway for AWS.
1120081;1430781941;trinque;depends on whether it's hvm or pvm
1120082;1430781949;mod6;it's all paravirtual
1120083;1430781997;mod6;anyway, i'll give an update in here after this next attempt with a new kernel.
1120084;1430781998;trinque;that would probably be it; you need the xen turds turned on in the kernel in that case
1120085;1430782029;mod6;I know for sure I did that the first time... didn't seem to help.  however, the first attempt, I'm not positive that I didn't somehow screw-up the fstab.
1120086;1430782039;trinque;that could also be it
1120087;1430782049;mod6;the instructions that you posted were slightly off from what is reality on these environments.  (perhaps just a bit old)
1120088;1430782054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13148 @ 0.00027434 = 3.607 BTC [+]
1120089;1430782072;mod6;i.e.: none       /syssysfs  defaults                                  0 0
1120090;1430782078;mod6;sysysfs isn't a thing
1120091;1430782098;mod6;it's supposed to be this, I'm pretty sure:
1120092;1430782100;mod6;none       /sys       sysfs     defaults                        0 0none       /sys       sysfs     defaults                        0 0
1120093;1430782102;trinque;yeah probably old; I didn't use a write-up
1120094;1430782103;mod6;fffff
1120095;1430782112;mod6;sorry, paste'd 2x
1120096;1430782133;mod6;no worries, now when I check it with `mount -a`, it all seems happy
1120097;1430782169;mod6;maybe the document just didn't space the /sys & sysfs properly.
1120098;1430782174;mod6;*shrug*
1120099;1430782193;mod6;anyway, moving on.  I'll get the test in motion for asciilifeform's new patch.
1120100;1430782195;trinque;that error does seem to indicate it trying to mount an ext4 as ext3
1120101;1430782203;trinque;so says my quick googling
1120102;1430782227;mod6;The first attemp's error might have... I only got a glimpse of it once though, it never let me look at the System log again for some dumb reason.
1120103;1430782245;mod6;Anyway, no worries, I was moving fast. Figured I was just stupid.
1120104;1430782283;trinque;cool. dunno when I'll make my auto-deployer thing, but I'll let you know if that materializes
1120105;1430782317;mod6;np. i was more hoping if this 3rd attempt fails, you could watch over my shoulder to make sure I don't make any retarded moves.
1120106;1430782330;mod6;(on 4th attempt)
1120107;1430782350;trinque;sure, and I have a working kernel config handy if you want that
1120108;1430782368;mod6;that may help too.  i'll let you know how it goes. much appreciated.
1120109;1430782376;trinque;sounds good
1120110;1430782542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29762 @ 0.00027434 = 8.1649 BTC [+]
1120111;1430782784;jurov;trinque: i'm interested, too. i did it once but did not made a script from it
1120112;1430782845;trinque;k
1120113;1430782920;jurov;unrelated: if any poor soul is trying btrfs, use kernel >=3.19.5 . so far much better
1120114;1430782942;trinque;how stable is that these days?
1120115;1430782978;trinque;wiki says "under heavy development"
1120116;1430783010;jurov;disk format is stable. runtime not there yet
1120117;1430783078;jurov;i expounded on that yest
1120118;1430783108;trinque;I'll check teh logs
1120119;1430783365;jurov;could be very useful to roll back corrupted bitcoin database.. if i had snapshotting set up
1120120;1430783412;trinque;seems nice for servers in general too, bad deploy, go back to previous snapshot
1120121;1430783520;jurov;*if* you have spare disk space. otherwise, watch out
1120122;1430783921;mircea_popescu;<mats> why would you possibly want to use airbnb << it's really a sort of swinger's club for people that are not really into swinging.
1120123;1430783971;mircea_popescu;williamdunne << wikipedia may not be the best source of information
1120124;1430783977;mircea_popescu;especially for anything not to do with star wars.
1120125;1430784018;mircea_popescu;mod6> So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph these things.  Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo. << you hear that alf ?
1120126;1430784030;mircea_popescu;and i thought i was retarded.
1120127;1430784078;mircea_popescu;trinque that's the "innovation" << exactly. and inasmuch as the us tort system is insane, this is both unavoidable and in a sense useful. but this doesn't mean uber makes any sense, anymore than shaving head in women makes sense. "but she's got lice" "well in THAT case"
1120128;1430784147;trinque;hah indeed
1120129;1430784234;trinque;mircea_popescu: speaking of women, I've mused before about a service that handles all financial and bureaucratic considerations for an average american
1120130;1430784251;trinque;you give it your paychecks, it makes sure your taxes are done, all that, and gives you an allowance
1120131;1430784567;mircea_popescu;tits app ?
1120132;1430784596;mircea_popescu;i imagine Pierre_Rochard 's thing is actulaly very close to that. prolly bestwork as a wrapper on it
1120133;1430785216;trinque;mircea_popescu: looks interesting; this is for maintaining and publishing your books?
1120134;1430785231;trinque;looks like as a business, but similar needs
1120135;1430785246;mircea_popescu;you mean Pierre_Rochard s thing ?
1120136;1430785248;trinque;yeah
1120137;1430785269;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: trinque yup that’s right up my alley
1120138;1430785270;mircea_popescu;i dunno, he's working on it. but basically yeah, should be a web/bitcoin interface for accounting'
1120139;1430785307;Pierre_Rochard;I have a “personal finance” chart of accounts and a “service business” chart of accounts, they’re CSVs that are easy to customize
1120140;1430785345;trinque;Pierre_Rochard: very cool; I think americans would pay for a managed version of this
1120141;1430785353;trinque;nobody wants to do their damn taxes, or pay their own rent
1120142;1430785363;trinque;they just want to be given an allowance by dad after everything's handled
1120143;1430785390;trinque;I'm not sure there's enough allowance left to allow sufficient margin for the accounting service
1120144;1430785397;trinque;americans are after all mostly poor
1120145;1430785398;mircea_popescu;should be a very interesting world once the us is poor and east/central asia ric
1120146;1430785407;Pierre_Rochard;trinque: agreed, I’m thinking I’ll have a source code subscription for the hacker types, and a hosted treasury concierge for the lazy/busy
1120147;1430785419;trinque;Pierre_Rochard: right on
1120148;1430785420;Pierre_Rochard;yeah this isn’t for poor people
1120149;1430785432;Pierre_Rochard;poor people don’t have money problems, they have lack of money problems
1120150;1430785439;trinque;!b 2
1120151;1430785440;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09J2KJ0.txt )
1120152;1430785498;mircea_popescu;in other news, shoe problems http://40.media.tumblr.com/996bce3d7cadf68f3dcb6cbca5d36ca5/tumblr_n1kzmtoDiA1sx2zfgo4_r1_1280.jpg
1120153;1430785499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuwg2Y )
1120154;1430785504;Pierre_Rochard;asians understand the value of good accounting, went to school with many of them
1120155;1430785515;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1NHSMPB.txt << patched into bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE, sig looks good, although the hash's didn't match what the filename was changed to on btc-dev ml
1120156;1430785516;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuwkjk )
1120157;1430785531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00026691 = 8.3276 BTC [-] {2} 
1120158;1430785547;mircea_popescu;mod6 iof the hashes don't match you shouldn't generall merge
1120159;1430785552;mircea_popescu;tho i suppose this one's small enough to read
1120160;1430785594;mod6;i wonder if I did something wrong... jurov?
1120161;1430785597;trinque;also mod6 output of a recent genkernel build http://dpaste.com/00XCYJR.txt
1120162;1430785598;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuwA1W )
1120163;1430785605;trinque;maybe relevant to your barf message
1120164;1430785660;mod6;these are the commands I ran:
1120165;1430785661;mod6;curl -s http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150504/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke_2d219fdd1a0da960be38797566e9c0820df11ce6.patch -o asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch
1120166;1430785661;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuwKX6 )
1120167;1430785672;mod6;curl -s http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150504/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke_6f320afb2423a2892d89e855829e3915c8b7a170.patch.sig -o asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch.sig
1120168;1430785673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuwM14 )
1120169;1430785902;mod6;mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, agreed. I did look it over, and is matching from website as far as I can tell. & byte count is the same.
1120170;1430785929;mod6;-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4007 May  5 00:19 asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch
1120171;1430785937;mod6;*shrug*
1120172;1430786023;mod6;... taking gentoo snapshot for 3rd AMI attempt.
1120173;1430786036;danielpbarron;mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.txt
1120174;1430786037;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuxRG3 )
1120175;1430786105;mod6;yep, got that too... but check the sha256's of the dl'd patch files, see if they match the checksums that the ml inserted into the file name.
1120176;1430786135;mod6;if not, see if they came out same as mine from my dpaste
1120177;1430786234;danielpbarron;same as yours
1120178;1430786240;mod6;s/files/and sig files/
1120179;1430786249;danielpbarron;i'm not sure it's supposed to come out the same as the thing that gets shoved into the filename
1120180;1430786253;mod6;ok gotcha.  just need some clairification from jurov on that.
1120181;1430786266;danielpbarron;it should match whatever hash ascii referenced in his signed email message though
1120182;1430786280;mod6;i thought it /was/ supposed to be the same.  but, maybe im just derp derperton tonight.
1120183;1430786334;mod6;The hash referenced inthe email was for the bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE.tar.gz tarball, which is correct.
1120184;1430786371;danielpbarron;the patch.sig is by ascii's key, so it shouldn't matter what it hashes to or what btc-dev says
1120185;1430786385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 50000 @ 0.00009 = 4.5 BTC [-]
1120186;1430786399;mod6;yeah, shoudn't being the key word there; in my mind, it certainly should match.
1120187;1430786403;mod6;otherwise, why do it?
1120188;1430786421;mod6;what purpose would it serve?
1120189;1430786430;danielpbarron;i do not know
1120190;1430786433;mod6;:]
1120191;1430786468;danielpbarron;to make it a pain in the ass to verify any of this stuff; to set the bar high so as to keep out the children
1120192;1430786540;mod6;sweet, new ami complete.
1120193;1430786545;*;mod6 builds new instance with AMI
1120194;1430786827;danielpbarron;http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev The system will rename the patch and add unique identifier (SHA-1 hash of the contents) to the filename, both in the outgoing email and in the archives. Any additional signatures must refer to this received filename including the hash.
1120195;1430786828;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuzXG7 )
1120196;1430786888;danielpbarron;there's yer answer: it's sha1; not sha256
1120197;1430786893;danielpbarron;checks out on my end
1120198;1430786960;mod6;ah sha1, see, derp derperton
1120199;1430786972;mod6;mine matches just fine too. thx for digging that up.
1120200;1430786995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00026447 = 5.1439 BTC [-]
1120201;1430787124;mod6;meanwhile in gentoo land, kernel panic'd again: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-hardened-nomultilib-custom-kernel_panic3.txt
1120202;1430787125;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuAS9t )
1120203;1430787140;mod6;i'll post my build steps.
1120204;1430787234;decimation;http://www.itworld.com/article/2917587/open-source-tools/singapores-prime-minister-shares-his-c-sudoku-solver-code.html < imagine a us politician releasing a C++ sudoku solver
1120205;1430787235;assbot;Singapore’s prime minister shares his C++ Sudoku solver code | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuBbBe )
1120206;1430787356;trinque;not bad
1120207;1430787647;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/build-stage3-notes.txt << build notes
1120208;1430787648;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuCjon )
1120209;1430787675;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/kernel-config-20150503 << kernel config
1120210;1430787675;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuCosg )
1120211;1430787757;trinque;nicely done
1120212;1430787762;trinque;mod6: boots?
1120213;1430787792;mod6;no fails 1/2 checks, kernel panic'd
1120214;1430787855;trinque;ah
1120215;1430787856;mod6;check the last 3 lines of this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-hardened-nomultilib-custom-kernel_panic3.txt
1120216;1430787857;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuCMXH )
1120217;1430787885;trinque;did you try that rootfstype=ext4 ?
1120218;1430787891;trinque;on the kernel command line
1120219;1430787902;mod6;that's for the kernel config right?
1120220;1430787964;mod6;i had build this kernel yesterday. i don't see anything about "ROOTSTYPE" in my config that I used... (posted above)
1120221;1430787974;mod6;i guess I can rebuild again and stick that in there.
1120222;1430788003;trinque;for the kernel boot parameters provided by the bootloader, might be via this thing https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/UserProvidedKernels.html
1120223;1430788004;assbot;PV-GRUB - Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuDcND )
1120224;1430788128;mod6;oh huh.
1120225;1430788144;mod6;i thought that one thing said that I didn't need Grub unless i was using hvm or whatever.
1120226;1430788150;mod6;i try it with that...
1120227;1430788491;asciilifeform;mod6: you have an ext4 rootfs dontcha.
1120228;1430788499;asciilifeform;mod6: either 1) don't or 2) build ext4 into the kernel
1120229;1430788554;trinque;(and not as a module)
1120230;1430788612;asciilifeform;aha
1120231;1430788703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46345 @ 0.00026111 = 12.1011 BTC [-] {2} 
1120232;1430788764;danielpbarron;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34uu02/why_increasing_the_max_block_size_is_urgent_gavin/cqycy4h "Rather, the only push you see against larger blocks come from strong advocates of personal autonomy and decenteralization, like Peter Todd; or the MPOE crowd (regardless of what you might think about them, they wouldn't be any to bend to commercial or government interests)."
1120233;1430788765;assbot;nullc comments on Why increasing the max block size is urgent | Gavin Andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/1zuFigz )
1120234;1430788771;*;asciilifeform started valgrindized run of thermonuked-orphanage tester
1120235;1430788811;asciilifeform;is anyone still having checksum problems ?
1120236;1430788906;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> tho i suppose this one's small enough to read << they should ALL be small enough to read.
1120237;1430788917;asciilifeform;no exceptions.
1120238;1430789136;asciilifeform;<mod6> meanwhile in gentoo land, kernel panic'd again << that's not a real kernel panic, again. that is a box that can't read its rootfs
1120239;1430789157;asciilifeform;<danielpbarron> there's yer answer: it's sha1 << why do we have sha1 anywhere
1120240;1430789223;asciilifeform;sha512(asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch) == 9d7cab14db48000ed91d12301f19341ce55e86fe919922f8a4f80f49625b881b296deb037d35ef899996e097b4f1c0ab5a035c2ced04758b9838f3924ce4ed78
1120241;1430789230;asciilifeform;please say if you got something else.
1120242;1430789259;asciilifeform;jurov: can we have less mutilation (file names?) plz ?
1120243;1430789272;asciilifeform;i much prefer systems where what i put in, is what ends up coming out.
1120244;1430789280;asciilifeform;unless explicitly asked otherwise.
1120245;1430789487;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> airbnb is even funnier, the fine for being part of it is what, 4-5k in ny ? << 'airbnb', 'uber', etc. fill a direly urgent market niche in usa - 'orcish' favour-style services for folks with no friends. it would take a very strong chance of being busted, for folks to quit using these. (consider what is the penalty for, e.g., smoking weed - does it deter?)
1120246;1430789501;danielpbarron;!up livegnik
1120247;1430789512;livegnik;Thank you Daniel! Hi everyone.
1120248;1430789541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu> sort-of like impromptu dentistry << big business in the turd world (of which usa is properly considered - a part)
1120249;1430789542;livegnik;I'm Tim Pastoor, co-founder of Identifi. I'm just the business developer who's working on the project. Sirius is the real dev in there.
1120250;1430789551;mod6;ok bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 + Orphanage Nuke is running with `nmon -f -s3` & `vmstat 1`, so we should have some good metrics when complete.
1120251;1430789581;danielpbarron;"CEO & Co-Founder of Identifi -- Collaborating on an Open Source Protocol for Sending Trust over the Internet; Advancing the Wild Wild Web into a Web of Trust."
1120252;1430789597;*;asciilifeform actually used 'uber' for the first - and so far, only time - getting back from airport after c3
1120253;1430789608;livegnik;I didn't know in what other way to describe it in ~140 characters. Open for suggestions / feedback anytime :)
1120254;1430789614;mod6;asciilifeform:
1120255;1430789615;mod6;# sha512sum asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch
1120256;1430789616;mod6;9d7cab14db48000ed91d12301f19341ce55e86fe919922f8a4f80f49625b881b296deb037d35ef899996e097b4f1c0ab5a035c2ced04758b9838f3924ce4ed78  asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch
1120257;1430789635;mod6;it's fine, I just didn't realize that in the filename, the turdolator uses SHA1
1120258;1430789636;asciilifeform;<trinque> poor hotel cleaning ladies dealt with actual human shit far more often than I'd have expected << one of the major brainmelters for me, when i went to c3, was that the gurlz who serviced the hotel rooms, were pretty
1120259;1430789641;asciilifeform;this is unheard of in usa
1120260;1430789654;trinque;asciilifeform: ah yeah they were total trolls at my old gig
1120261;1430789675;asciilifeform;<trinque> end-cap on the thread is that this trend of Ubering seems to be about trying to dissolve responsibility << this is part of it, but the major profit comes from de-institutializing - de-usgizing - the cabbies and hotels
1120262;1430789699;asciilifeform;in the sese that random schmuck driving 'uber' has no paperwork, no pensions, no unemployment insurances, cannot sue for anything, etc.
1120263;1430789709;trinque;asciilifeform: hm yeah, "this is so much better!" because it's not wearing lead shoes
1120264;1430789711;mod6;I should re-iterate that I'm still waiting on a pogo to come to me...so this v0.5.3.1+OrphanageNuke test is running on AWS deb6 (amd64)
1120265;1430789714;trinque;makes sense.
1120266;1430789716;asciilifeform;and probably has a day job, so he doesn't need anything like a 'living wage' either
1120267;1430789781;asciilifeform;there will be myriad parasitic waterfalls like 'uber', i expect, which feed upon the difference between what it -actually- costs to do something like driving cab - at butugychag subsistence levels with zero regard for the meatbag's future - and what usgtronic tentacles which masquerade as american firms presently charge.
1120268;1430789810;asciilifeform;(naturally, usg will pocket the bulk of this difference, but such is the nature of muppet war)
1120269;1430789984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135400 @ 0.00025545 = 34.5879 BTC [-] {4} 
1120270;1430790027;asciilifeform;livegnik: are you familiar with the 'wot' we use here ?
1120271;1430790218;livegnik;I've just bumped into it, thanks to danielpbarron pointing me to it, and that's how I've ended up in here :)
1120272;1430790259;asciilifeform;livegnik: consider telling us what you perceive is the advantage of your product over what you now know is the state of the art.
1120273;1430790335;danielpbarron;livegnik, not sure how much you've already found; here's a good starting point http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
1120274;1430790335;assbot;wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMwpI )
1120275;1430790343;livegnik;It's a protocol for identity management for both humans, entities, and machines. It gives the ability to create Sybil-proof WoTs (to the extent that the least trustworthy node added, decides the strength of your security), for almost anything.
1120276;1430790381;asciilifeform;livegnik: what is involved in a 'sybil-proof' wot for machines ?
1120277;1430790394;asciilifeform;or, for that matter, people? (how do you decide what constitutes a person?)
1120278;1430790400;livegnik;Yesterday I've written an extensive comment on Ian Grigg's article about ID issues, especially in combination with the blockchain. It's quite the read, but I think it'll be worth your time, if you want to get a more in-depth view of Identifi:
1120279;1430790401;livegnik;http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001556.html
1120280;1430790402;assbot;Financial Cryptography: The Sum of All Chains - Let's Converge! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMAFN )
1120281;1430790447;livegnik;asciilifeform: Mostly a whitelist. Whitelisting solves the Sybil. The thing is, whitelisting hasn't been very user-friendly up till now, without the security trade-off.
1120282;1430790460;asciilifeform;whitelist composed by whom? kim jong un ?
1120283;1430790464;asciilifeform;the pope ?
1120284;1430790478;livegnik;asciilifeform: A set of attributes, identifiers. I've extensively elaborated on it in the comment on Ian's article.
1120285;1430790483;livegnik;Might be tl;dr though ...
1120286;1430790545;livegnik;There's no whitepaper atm, so the comment in that article probably explains it best/most thus far.
1120287;1430790559;asciilifeform;try to answer this one compactly, it should be answerable. who composes the whitelist ?
1120288;1430790565;livegnik;Also, you can find the proof-of-concept on GitHub: https://github.com/identifi/identifi
1120289;1430790566;assbot;identifi/identifi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMY7b )
1120290;1430790576;livegnik;The identity to whom the whitelist belongs.
1120291;1430790586;livegnik;Each identity creates it's own whitelist / WoT.
1120292;1430790602;asciilifeform;so your system reduces to 'if you trust 1,001 people who turn out to be sybils, shame on you, you oughta have known better' ?
1120293;1430790637;asciilifeform;this is how existing wots work. but to say that this 'solves sybils' is, at the very least, odd
1120294;1430790643;livegnik;You could put it that way, yes. But it can visualize sybil swarms by showing the few 'real IDs' linking to it.
1120295;1430790662;asciilifeform;what is a 'real id' ?
1120296;1430790690;livegnik;The people you know and trust (for whatever reason) basically, and therefore have verified.
1120297;1430790695;trinque;So we're all the same -- we people are the same as smart contracts, as block chains, etc, and we should be able to make recipe that describes us. We should be able to collect all these things together and make it such that we all look the same. << wtf
1120298;1430790704;trinque;this is written in a haphazard manner
1120299;1430790723;trinque;aside that it just strings together analogies
1120300;1430790730;danielpbarron;!gettrust livegnik
1120301;1430790730;assbot;livegnik is not registered in WoT.
1120302;1430790740;asciilifeform;the text is astonishingly painful to read.
1120303;1430790793;asciilifeform;so far it seems to add up to a 80% re-implementation of the proper wot out of toothpicks and tape.
1120304;1430790798;livegnik;brb
1120305;1430790807;asciilifeform;with a distinct lack of clarity re: what it is all for.
1120306;1430790811;danielpbarron;livegnik, what do you make of this? -> http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=danielpbarron
1120307;1430790812;assbot;WoT Trust - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjNt1e )
1120308;1430790870;trinque;So we can have a "mainnet" can we also have "AliceNet" or "Mynet?" Yes, in theory we can. << this does *not* follow
1120309;1430790896;trinque;insofar as you're saying will computers run and call themselves asscoin if I create an asscoinnet, sure
1120310;1430790917;trinque;considering "what is bitcoin" is called for before calling it fungible with any other *net
1120311;1430790920;trinque;or *coin
1120312;1430790943;trinque;"I mean, they're all blockchain technology."
1120313;1430791064;trinque;livegnik: this "guid" you're reaching for is called a keypair
1120314;1430791084;livegnik;I'll need 10 more minutes, sorry guys.
1120315;1430791336;asciilifeform;!up livegnik
1120316;1430791960;mod6;trinque: where can I add "rootfstype=ext3" or "rootfstype=ext4" to the list of boot params?  I don't see anything thing like that in the kernel config -- except where I've already enabled EXT4 and EXT3
1120317;1430792017;mod6;well, i guess I didn't have EXT3 enabled, just: "Use ext4 for ext2/ext3 file systems" under "Filesystems"
1120318;1430792027;mod6;(in `make menuconfig`)
1120319;1430792276;livegnik;I'm back. Sorry for the interruption.
1120320;1430792300;livegnik;asciilifeform: my/Ian's/both our text pain to read?
1120321;1430792359;livegnik;asciilifeform: Hopefully this interview I've done with current partner, before I joined the project, clears up what it could be used for in the 'real' world: http://unbit.nl/2014/09/16/martti-malmi-on-bitcoin-and-identifi/
1120322;1430792359;assbot;Unbit.nl - Martti Malmi on Bitcoin & Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLRWZL )
1120323;1430792445;livegnik;danielpbarron: I like Bitcoin-OTC, even though I haven't used it myself. I do believe that I grasp the concept itself though.
1120324;1430792498;trinque;livegnik: reading that I'm not clear on what "it" is
1120325;1430792523;trinque;mod6: that parameter is one provided to the kernel at boot
1120326;1430792525;livegnik;trinque: it == Identifi
1120327;1430792540;danielpbarron;"Martti Malmi is a former computer science student from Helsinki University of Technology who nowadays works as a software developer. He is well-known for being the first person to join Satoshi Nakamoto in the development of Bitcoin."
1120328;1430792558;mod6;trinque: from grub??
1120329;1430792565;livegnik;danielpbarron: The main difference between Bitcoin-OTC and Identifi, if I understand correctly, is that the Bitcoin-OTC WoT acts as a WoT-for-all, whereas with Identifi each identity has it's own WoT, and there's no 'general' score.
1120330;1430792584;trinque;mod6: yeah from whatever the bootloader is; there's also a way to build command line (meaning kernel command line) parameters into the kernel itself
1120331;1430792593;mod6;ah, ok.
1120332;1430792596;mod6;thx
1120333;1430792598;trinque;np
1120334;1430792598;danielpbarron;the general score can be ignored for the most part (in the OTC / assbot WoT)
1120335;1430792624;trinque;livegnik: ah I'm looking at the website for that project now
1120336;1430792647;livegnik;I agree that it can be ignored for the most-part, but Identifi doesn't even contain it.
1120337;1430792658;livegnik;trinque: Would that be identifi.org or identi.fi?
1120338;1430792702;danielpbarron;livegnik, do you get the whole L1 L2 thing?
1120339;1430792703;livegnik;The first is a quite shallow explanation of the project, we'll update it within a few months or so (after rounding up the pilot projects, board of advisors, and funding).
1120340;1430792723;livegnik;The latter (http://identi.fi/) is a proto-type of what a front-end COULD look like.
1120341;1430792733;trinque;livegnik: so this is a haxed bitcoin where the payments are instead ratings, yeah?
1120342;1430792747;trinque;livegnik: was looking at everything linked from github
1120343;1430792755;livegnik;danielpbarron: Could you elaborate on the L1 L2 thing for me?
1120344;1430792762;decimation;livegnik: what are you going to use funding for?
1120345;1430792768;livegnik;trinque: Yes, for the most part. And there's no blockchain.
1120346;1430792781;danielpbarron;livegnik, my L1 or "level one" consists of users that I trust (have given a rating) directly
1120347;1430792805;danielpbarron;my L2 "level two" consists of all the users trusted by users in my L1
1120348;1430792831;danielpbarron;so it is like a WoT within a WoT as you might imagine, where each user is a WoT or whatever
1120349;1430792844;livegnik;trinque: There are 2 types of messages: 1.) verifications of identity's identifiers, and 2.) trust ratings ("Alice is a terrific barber!". "Bob is the worst car salesman!", "DID_REPAY_LOAN_ON_TIME", etc.)
1120350;1430792863;livegnik;danielpbarron: Ah, the viewpoints. Capice.
1120351;1430792867;danielpbarron;!up sunbeachbabe
1120352;1430792885;livegnik;danielpbarron: Identifi does the same with the trust ratings, you can set your viewpoint from 0 to infinite.
1120353;1430792888;sunbeachbabe;Lol assbot
1120354;1430792906;danielpbarron;in the real WoT, the max is 2
1120355;1430792939;danielpbarron;what would an L3 consist of? friend of a friend of a friend? no thanks
1120356;1430792947;livegnik;Within Identifi networks the max is infinite, but the proto-type of our front-end hands you the options 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or infinite degree.
1120357;1430792970;livegnik;Well, that info is there. It's up to you to filter.
1120358;1430792973;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZd_YyFzPD0
1120359;1430792975;assbot;Spaceballs - "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLSLln )
1120360;1430792981;livegnik;ghehe
1120361;1430792983;trinque;danielpbarron: what does that make us?
1120362;1430792986;trinque;ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
1120363;1430792988;trinque;ah great movie
1120364;1430793003;decimation;livegnik: what are you going to use your funding to do?
1120365;1430793026;livegnik;decimation: Mainly for further development, in cooperation with our pilot partners.
1120366;1430793063;livegnik;I'm actually not interested in a very high valuation, to be honest, just to be able to pay a few devs to work on this full-time.
1120367;1430793095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95296 @ 0.00025239 = 24.0518 BTC [-] {3} 
1120368;1430793121;livegnik;The idea for business model for the company we have in mind probably comes closest to Red Hat, without the Enterprise edition.
1120369;1430793145;livegnik;One size that fits all. Additional applications could be ran on-top of the node.
1120370;1430793145;decimation;you get the government to pay you for other people's work?
1120371;1430793161;trinque;!up livegnik
1120372;1430793161;decimation;!up livegnik
1120373;1430793170;livegnik;decimation: Not sure if I understand ...
1120374;1430793185;decimation;what is 'redhat's business model without enterprise'?
1120375;1430793211;livegnik;Services mostly. Helping business who want to integrate Identifi nodes within their existing environments mostly.
1120376;1430793219;livegnik;Mostly.
1120377;1430793227;livegnik;Sorry, 4:33am(sterdam) over here.
1120378;1430793313;trinque;I'd be interested to see an example of that business model working for something that's not a) propped up by VC b) propped up by govt or c) already had a viable consulting business
1120379;1430793377;danielpbarron;heh, Anduck is in your "address book" of ratings
1120380;1430793381;livegnik;trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project full-time. I've actually quit my dayjob for it and am burning my savings.
1120381;1430793387;livegnik;Yep.
1120382;1430793393;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot Anduck
1120383;1430793393;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 7 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=Anduck | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Anduck/
1120384;1430793406;livegnik;Everyone in the Bitcoin-OTC WoT should be in there, if correct. There's a Bitcoin-OTC crawler for Identifi nodes :)
1120385;1430793421;decimation;livegnik: what do you have to offer over properly using gpg?
1120386;1430793423;livegnik;https://github.com/identifi/identifi-crawlers
1120387;1430793424;assbot;identifi/identifi-crawlers · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLThQq )
1120388;1430793467;livegnik;decimation: Well, I guess usability on many fronts mostly. Also, it can be integrated within many existing fields.
1120389;1430793481;danielpbarron;sounds like this idea can be adapted to the gribble/assbot divide problem
1120390;1430793488;livegnik;I'd even dare to predict that this should enable business models like, e.g, a decentralized credit rating agency.
1120391;1430793506;livegnik;What's the gribble/assbot divide problem, if I may?
1120392;1430793514;danielpbarron;the WoT forked
1120393;1430793524;livegnik;Hmm. How did that happen?
1120394;1430793537;danielpbarron;someone mined a block that was too big :p
1120395;1430793542;livegnik;Ah :P
1120396;1430793559;danielpbarron;it's in the log which you should read
1120397;1430793572;livegnik;Identifi is blockchain-agnostic in itself.
1120398;1430793579;livegnik;Got url?
1120399;1430793622;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109240
1120400;1430793622;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 13:15:14; mircea_popescu: gribble went down at some point. this is rare, but whatever, happens. nanotube was also unresponsive. after a few days in this position assbot got enabled to wot
1120401;1430793712;livegnik;Can I drop a few lines (like 15 or so) in here to give some examples of what Identifi nodes could be applied to?
1120402;1430793736;danielpbarron;any of the many free txt file hosting services
1120403;1430793746;livegnik;Sure thing.
1120404;1430793758;danielpbarron;dpaste is a favorite in here; also pastebin
1120405;1430793781;livegnik;There ya go: http://pastebin.com/ucczV0hr
1120406;1430793782;assbot;- One-way authentication, so that the party that you're authenticating with does - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLTH9q )
1120407;1430793800;livegnik;I'll check dpaste. I've been using pastebin up till now for the most-part; years.
1120408;1430793839;danielpbarron;so there should be a link on your site to my "address book" listing ?
1120409;1430793919;livegnik;http://identi.fi/id/account/danielpbarron%40bitcoin-otc.com
1120410;1430793919;assbot;Identifi - danielpbarron ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjUDTa )
1120411;1430793949;trinque;livegnik | trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project << for the logs, it is never, ever a good idea to leap off into some venture with both feet when the venture has no profitability or plan to achieve it
1120412;1430793962;trinque;livegnik: this killed my last employer, as it should have
1120413;1430793994;trinque;the idea that profitability is something you can "figure out along the way" if at all, is a braindead american VC concept
1120414;1430794003;livegnik;trinque: We plan to break-even within (max) a year or 3.
1120415;1430794009;trinque;as noted earlier in the logs, these days our chief export is bullshit
1120416;1430794028;livegnik;I can't say too much about it at this time, but I can tell you that we have an accountant who's helping us to crunch the numbers.
1120417;1430794046;trinque;yes but this is "if we get x and y consulting dollars" and so on?
1120418;1430794060;livegnik;That's one revenue stream, yes.
1120419;1430794072;livegnik;Happy to elaborate on the others when I can make that info public.
1120420;1430794075;trinque;sure
1120421;1430794106;trinque;and maybe you will; difficult position to be in to say the least
1120422;1430794139;trinque;livegnik: what does each node store its WoT in?
1120423;1430794151;livegnik;An sqlite3 database.
1120424;1430794162;trinque;as I understand it you're basically using the bitcoin transaction propagation stuff to send out rating data?
1120425;1430794167;trinque;then stuffed into sqlite
1120426;1430794169;trinque;?
1120427;1430794172;livegnik;Yes,
1120428;1430794186;trinque;so you're merely using "bitcoin" as a gossip layer
1120429;1430794211;trinque;keypairs and gossip about ratings is probably not far from the mark
1120430;1430794213;livegnik;And we're working on a permission database / filter/firewall & communication application that can run between the node that stores the actual data, and the other trusted nodes, in order to set thresholds based on permissions for sharing info.
1120431;1430794241;livegnik;You could put it that way. It's a layer to shuffle your marmot around, or whatever analogy you prefer.
1120432;1430794257;livegnik;Not far from the mark?
1120433;1430794339;trinque;if you're not using the blockchain I dunno why you don't just use gpg keys and some gossip protocol; as I understand it bitcoin isn't even very good at that part
1120434;1430794369;danielpbarron;lolol "shuffle your marmot"
1120435;1430794383;trinque;heh
1120436;1430794403;*;trinque reserves judgment on whether this is a nice marmot yet
1120437;1430794410;trinque;seems there's a simpler way
1120438;1430794468;livegnik;trinque: I'm not much of a coder, so I'm not able to answer that last remark at this point. Martti probably has a fitting answer for that one, according to my previous experiences with his mostly-always-sufficient answers.
1120439;1430794490;trinque;livegnik: get in our WoT so you can self-voice, and invite him along too
1120440;1430794491;livegnik;I'm open for suggestions though, and again, I'm just the business developer. Martti is the real dev on this one.
1120441;1430794498;trinque;debate is how things operate around here
1120442;1430794512;livegnik;That's why I love hearing your feedback.
1120443;1430794542;livegnik;I've been trying to find people to break this theory, but haven't bumped into them yet. At the same time, there aren't too many people working on these types of solutions throughout the world atm.
1120444;1430794549;trinque;livegnik: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1120445;1430794549;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLUtTH )
1120446;1430794552;trinque;instructions on registering
1120447;1430794615;livegnik;I'm finishing up some things atm, and will then go catch some rest. My IRC server is up 99% of the time (the missing 1% was yesterday), so I'll be back in here :)
1120448;1430794630;livegnik;Thanks for your thoughts on this so far. I'll invite Martti to join us in here.
1120449;1430794844;trinque;I see two problems, one solved by gpg entirely, which is establishing an identity
1120450;1430794853;trinque;the other is a publishing problem, mostly solved by gpg
1120451;1430794858;trinque;"who says"
1120452;1430794882;trinque;the rest of the problem is what they said, about whom, and how that information is discoverec
1120453;1430794887;trinque;*discovered
1120454;1430794973;danielpbarron;You can try it out at http://identi.fi. You can easily log in with FB/G+/Twitter/email and give ratings and verifications. It's still in alpha stage and the user interface is under constant development. My goal is to make it easier to use than the address book on your phone. << that part's got to go if it's going to be worth anything
1120455;1430794975;assbot;Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLUXt8 )
1120456;1430795001;danielpbarron;!up livegnik do you have a GPG key?
1120457;1430795031;livegnik;Not for this purpose, yet. I'll fix it later today (after I wake up).
1120458;1430795032;trinque;rather than gossip protocols and all this other fancy shit, what's wrong with a simple gpg message format that constitutes a rating
1120459;1430795063;livegnik;Sorry for bothering you with level-upping me constantly. I won't be on for much longer now anyhow, so I won't waste too much of your typing and/or clicking ;)
1120460;1430795108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94476 @ 0.00025766 = 24.3427 BTC [+]
1120461;1430795118;livegnik;There's probably not much wrong with simple gpg messages. There's more to Identifi than rating messages however.
1120462;1430795121;danielpbarron;it's less of a bother than your apology for the perceived bother
1120463;1430795134;livegnik;lol
1120464;1430795166;livegnik;In that case, sorry to bother you with the apology for the perceived bother.
1120465;1430795173;trinque;oh shit, meta-apology
1120466;1430795176;trinque;livegnik: go to bed!
1120467;1430795178;livegnik;ghehehe
1120468;1430795191;trinque;and bring your partner in here for a beating next
1120469;1430795199;livegnik;haha
1120470;1430795203;livegnik;I'll try and do that.
1120471;1430795230;livegnik;I know who's beating I'll put my money on though.
1120472;1430795241;trinque;heh sounds like you already have
1120473;1430795258;livegnik;I did? Oh, I might have become insusceptible to them then by now.
1120474;1430795362;livegnik;Disregard that last one, miscommunication on my side. I think you're right about me going to bed then.
1120475;1430795383;livegnik;I enjoyed talking to all of you. See y'all in Round 2! :)
1120476;1430795393;danielpbarron;http://unbit.nl/wp-content/uploads/5399242443_45f4a3b223.jpg << http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/graph/
1120477;1430795394;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLVqM1 )
1120478;1430795395;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLVr2n )
1120479;1430795411;trinque;livegnik: cheers
1120480;1430795462;livegnik;danielpbarron: Thanks for that link! With Identifi it could look something like this: https://twitter.com/timpastoor/status/585515976566960128/photo/1
1120481;1430796852;mod6;trinque: same thing :/
1120482;1430796901;trinque;sheeit
1120483;1430796952;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0578KZ6.txt << my grub
1120484;1430796953;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLWWOc )
1120485;1430796974;mod6;has the same error in the System Log.
1120486;1430797084;mod6;oh well, i guess we can pick it back up tomorrow.
1120487;1430797104;trinque;mod6: http://dpaste.com/1PBGHN3.txt
1120488;1430797106;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZ9xkZ )
1120489;1430797121;trinque;may help; that's a working gentoo kernel out on ec2
1120490;1430797140;trinque;and otherwise if all else fails I'll be putting my own build script together before long
1120491;1430797169;trinque;kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/xvda1 rootfstype=ext4
1120492;1430797175;trinque;from menu.lst
1120493;1430797257;mod6;yeah isn't that what i have in grub? ^^^
1120494;1430797261;trinque;yup
1120495;1430797264;mod6;meanwhile...:
1120496;1430797278;mod6;# ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin getblockcount
1120497;1430797279;mod6;138922
1120498;1430797361;mod6;<+trinque> may help; that's a working gentoo kernel out on ec2 << i'll try this out tomorrow
1120499;1430797371;mod6;<+trinque> and otherwise if all else fails I'll be putting my own build script together before long << ok sweet!
1120500;1430797380;trinque;sounds good; bbl
1120501;1430797395;mod6;anyway, if my grub looks good, then maybe it's my kern. but it could be something else... not quite sure.
1120502;1430797399;mod6;ok night
1120503;1430797424;decimation;http://www.cnet.com/news/silicon-valley-talent-wars-engineers-come-get-your-250k-salary/ < lol silly-con valley 'bizness'
1120504;1430797425;assbot;Silicon Valley talent wars: Engineers, come get your $250K salary - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLXpQj )
1120505;1430797454;decimation;"It's "a horrific idea," [paying $250k] said Sam Altman, the president of Y Combinator, Silicon Valley's most prestigious technology incubator. "It seems on paper like a really good idea [since] great engineers can create huge value. [But] here's why it doesn't work: You really want a company full of missionaries, not mercenaries. And so if your company is known as the place where you can make a huge cash salary, you end up
1120506;1430797456;decimation;attracting" the worst cultural fits. "
1120507;1430797503;decimation;of course he's not a fan, because if suddenly 'talent' thinks they are worth $250k instead of $50k, his own business implodes
1120508;1430797575;Pierre_Rochard;^ place this quote under “self-serving” in a dictionary
1120509;1430797695;decimation;Pierre_Rochard: exactly.  also, given that if you are making less than $150k in silicon valley you are literally a bum - it won't take much for 'salary fashions' to change
1120510;1430797696;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1120511;1430797706;Pierre_Rochard;“You really want a company full of missionaries, not mercenaries.” <- well let’s say their are fewer missionaries in the labor market than there are missionary positions. You have to compete for them somehow.
1120512;1430797741;Pierre_Rochard;“we’re more religious than the next guy d00d!! we only worship helping consumers with javascript!!”
1120513;1430797757;*;mircea_popescu places sam altman's "mp killed our business model, sadly, as he said he would" quote under "unexpected honesty" in his own personal disectionary.
1120514;1430797758;scoopbot_revived;News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume X URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-x/
1120515;1430797894;danielpbarron;;;later tell livegnik see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065991
1120516;1430797894;assbot;Logged on 23-03-2015 22:08:54; assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:07:09; Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...
1120517;1430797894;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1120518;1430798014;asciilifeform;<decimation> http://www.cnet.com/news/silicon-valley-talent-wars-engineers-come-get-your-250k-salary/ <<< the mega-l0l is that 250kusd doesn't even buy a garage there
1120519;1430798015;assbot;Silicon Valley talent wars: Engineers, come get your $250K salary - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZbjTa )
1120520;1430798040;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120239 << i was wonderin the same thing. time for sha512 erryone.
1120521;1430798040;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:25:57; asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> there's yer answer: it's sha1 << why do we have sha1 anywhere
1120522;1430798057;decimation;asciilifeform: amusingly here's a breakdown of silly-con valley real-estate: http://allenc.com/2015/04/salary-requirements-for-a-house-in-silicon-valley/
1120523;1430798059;assbot;Salary Requirements for a House in Silicon Valley ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZbopL )
1120524;1430798063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's a modest condo, like 1.5-2mn ?
1120525;1430798084;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: according to decimation's chart - very close to this.
1120526;1430798090;decimation;median price in palo alto was $2.4 mil in 2014
1120527;1430798094;asciilifeform;where i live - about 1/2mil
1120528;1430798105;mircea_popescu;"Let�s assume we want a $1.0M, below-median house in Redwood City. You�d have to start by coming up with ~$220k in savings for the down payment + closing costs, and then take out a mortgage for the remaining $800k"
1120529;1430798108;mircea_popescu;heh. mkay.
1120530;1430798121;mircea_popescu;decimation but those be houses, mostly. right ?
1120531;1430798133;decimation;yeah freestanding homes
1120532;1430798161;decimation;I think a small flat goes for 0.5-1 mil
1120533;1430798165;mircea_popescu;A car is pretty much a requirement in the suburbs. Even without accounting for car payments, gas and insurance and tolls will eat up $200-300 per month easily. << i thought tesla is free!
1120534;1430798168;mircea_popescu;or is that only in sweden
1120535;1430798183;asciilifeform;phree
1120536;1430798188;decimation;you are saving so much in gas!
1120537;1430798210;asciilifeform;they built phree charging garages in key chump habitats in usa
1120538;1430798225;asciilifeform;(promotional gimmick)
1120539;1430798228;mircea_popescu;"Salaries and bonuses and stock grants may be jumping higher in our current boom cycle, but a lot of it is recaptured in real estate." heh
1120540;1430798238;decimation;no shit sherlock
1120541;1430798245;mircea_popescu;the sad truth is that "quantitative easing" essentially ends up as a real estate bubble.
1120542;1430798265;asciilifeform;the squid giveth, the squid taketh away.
1120543;1430798268;decimation;exactly.  there's nowhere for all the vast slosh of bezzlars to go, other than real estate and the stock market
1120544;1430798270;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o i know. was very amused at some incredibly hamhanded esl scam-pushing linked earlier.
1120545;1430798315;decimation;the indentfi guy?
1120546;1430798374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform speaking of penalties and actual deterrence : it's as you may know rauchen verboten here. so i pull out a cigarillo and head to a table where three girlies are derping (at starbucks). ask for a light. they... all have it.
1120547;1430798385;mircea_popescu;who the fuck carries matches/lighters around if they don't fucking smoke.
1120548;1430798397;asciilifeform;folks who smoke weed
1120549;1430798406;mircea_popescu;"oh, better keep this in the purse ever as i pretend smoking disgusts me, who knows, maybe hott gringo asks
1120550;1430798422;asciilifeform;poke smot, woke smeed (TM)
1120551;1430798424;mircea_popescu;yeah right. these chicks looked like they haven't even mastered the blowjob yet. what weed.
1120552;1430798433;asciilifeform;then pyromania.
1120553;1430798447;mircea_popescu;!up livegnik
1120554;1430798449;decimation;candles?
1120555;1430798450;mircea_popescu;wtf is identifi
1120556;1430798460;mircea_popescu;ima name myself popesci, it's trendi eri
1120557;1430798476;mircea_popescu;decimation on the street ?!
1120558;1430798480;asciilifeform;PopeSci - laboratory supplies approved by the holy see
1120559;1430798482;decimation;some guy made a web 2.0 version of nanotube's wot, thinks he is gonna make money
1120560;1430798487;asciilifeform;mega-business, yes
1120561;1430798491;asciilifeform;must happen.
1120562;1430798502;mircea_popescu;let me guess, easier to use ?
1120563;1430798512;decimation;lol
1120564;1430798517;mircea_popescu;anyway, sirius as in the 2009 sirius ?
1120565;1430798533;mircea_popescu;ie, the actual founder of tardstalk.org ?
1120566;1430798536;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120385 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120388
1120567;1430798536;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 02:37:01; decimation: livegnik: what do you have to offer over properly using gpg?
1120568;1430798536;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 02:37:47; livegnik: decimation: Well, I guess usability on many fronts mostly. Also, it can be integrated within many existing fields.
1120569;1430798564;decimation;it's almost like these guys are a broken record
1120570;1430798564;mircea_popescu;afaik sirius had been working at a web-ish sort of wot for ages now.
1120571;1430798591;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120250 << neato mod6 !
1120572;1430798591;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:32:31; mod6: ok bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 + Orphanage Nuke is running with `nmon -f -s3` & `vmstat 1`, so we should have some good metrics when complete.
1120573;1430798624;asciilifeform;speaking of,
1120574;1430798634;asciilifeform;173874.
1120575;1430798650;mircea_popescu;nb.
1120576;1430798657;asciilifeform;(not continuous run, this was a portable box that spent ~4 or so hrs in a car)
1120577;1430798680;mircea_popescu;!gettrust livegnik
1120578;1430798680;assbot;livegnik is not registered in WoT.
1120579;1430798685;mircea_popescu;o.O
1120580;1430798686;asciilifeform;will post valgrind output tomorrow
1120581;1430798717;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120259 << if i were a hooker, i'd get a job as a hotel maid.
1120582;1430798717;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:34:01; asciilifeform: this is unheard of in usa
1120583;1430798738;mircea_popescu;perfect spot. guy alone ? take off clothes, do the work naked, see what he says.
1120584;1430798740;decimation;cleaning shit is at least an honest business
1120585;1430798767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought about flipping the cardboard flag to lure'em in
1120586;1430798774;mircea_popescu;you don't have to pay anyone for leads that way, don't have to commute to work... with a little luck can do a dozen numbers and make more than the manager makes per month
1120587;1430798787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alternatively you coulda just asked.
1120588;1430798795;mircea_popescu;you know women are possessed of speech. you can talk to them.
1120589;1430798803;asciilifeform;in deep theory, yes
1120590;1430798806;mircea_popescu;lmao
1120591;1430798822;mircea_popescu;i talked to one just now!!
1120592;1430798825;asciilifeform;w0w
1120593;1430798851;decimation;you don't even have to be a missionary for your shit cleaning
1120594;1430798854;decimation;just a mercenary
1120595;1430798857;mircea_popescu;didn't even have to repeat myself or nuttin.
1120596;1430798872;asciilifeform;pets don't count, you know
1120597;1430798873;mircea_popescu;decimation how's this mercenary position again ?
1120598;1430798886;decimation;pay me to clean your shit?
1120599;1430798890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you think just erryone gets to be a pet ?
1120600;1430798899;asciilifeform;clearly not erryone.
1120601;1430798915;asciilifeform;but distinct problem from chatting with wild creatures, yes
1120602;1430798943;asciilifeform;(not really problem, as such, unless one made catastrophic mistake in empetting)
1120603;1430798996;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's my experience that the unconcerned asker usually does fine. it's the hedger that ends up in the soup.
1120604;1430799055;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120278 << check it out, an entire network away from b-a. because why ?
1120605;1430799055;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:46:40; livegnik: Yesterday I've written an extensive comment on Ian Grigg's article about ID issues, especially in combination with the blockchain. It's quite the read, but I think it'll be worth your time, if you want to get a more in-depth view of Identifi:
1120606;1430799106;asciilifeform;because came up with it in the dark, used chewing gum, knife, remains of his parachute straps, and bones of travelling companion to build it.
1120607;1430799120;asciilifeform;(however much of it there is)
1120608;1430799136;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120287 << not a terribly fair sourging, this. we're not doing so very much better, yet. ( http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/#comment-113945 )
1120609;1430799136;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:49:19; asciilifeform: try to answer this one compactly, it should be answerable. who composes the whitelist ?
1120610;1430799137;assbot;A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZdtCg )
1120611;1430799139;decimation;asciilifeform: he does have rounded corners on the wot listings
1120612;1430799193;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was not initially clear what was meant by 'whitelist'
1120613;1430799213;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120299 << this is urgently becoming a major tell-tale sign of eventual failure.
1120614;1430799213;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:52:03; trinque: aside that it just strings together analogies
1120615;1430799218;asciilifeform;assumed centralized derpatron, because this is almost inevitably in the mix when folks reinvent in the dark
1120616;1430799243;mircea_popescu;yeah. but even if construed favorably, the point remains : you will have some hierarchies of trust.
1120617;1430799248;asciilifeform;the most worrying sign is that the fella intends to somehow make a living from this
1120618;1430799252;mircea_popescu;gpg nbetwork calls it "the strong set"
1120619;1430799269;mircea_popescu;kind-of what i'm trying to build too, kind-of what's utterly required : until critical mass, danger will robinson!
1120620;1430799325;mircea_popescu;and i suspect (the math on this is fuzzy and still bneing worked out) that the critical mass for wot is exponentially more expensive than the critical mass for bitocin.
1120621;1430799357;asciilifeform;almost certainly will rest on meatgangs, just as the old world did. (i.e. sets of folks who actually interact daily, not necessarily in meatspace)
1120622;1430799378;mircea_popescu;seems probable. hence teh conferences.
1120623;1430799391;felipelalli;http://i.imgur.com/oLki4kF.jpg << USGavin blocktrain
1120624;1430799391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZdXrZ )
1120625;1430799407;decimation; lol
1120626;1430799412;asciilifeform;this deserves to be posted somewhere
1120627;1430799421;mircea_popescu;there was a great pic of a loaded train yest, where was it
1120628;1430799422;asciilifeform;(somewhere permanent)
1120629;1430799464;felipelalli;I searched on Google by "india crowded train" ahahah
1120630;1430799491;mircea_popescu;http://travel.smart-guide.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pakistan-Crowded-Train.jpg
1120631;1430799493;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZec6o )
1120632;1430799503;felipelalli;it is insane!
1120633;1430799508;asciilifeform;there we go.
1120634;1430799515;mircea_popescu;http://travel.smart-guide.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/The-Most-Crowded-Train-in-Pakistan.jpg prolly better
1120635;1430799516;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZeaLH )
1120636;1430799526;felipelalli;but here in Brazil we have this: http://www.anonymousbrasil.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/120717-Metr%C3%B4SP2.jpg
1120637;1430799527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZebiM )
1120638;1430799532;asciilifeform;rivers'o'meat!
1120639;1430799537;decimation;I was watching a bbc show about indian frontier railways a few weeks ago
1120640;1430799540;mircea_popescu;omfg
1120641;1430799558;decimation;apparently neither india nor pakistan have upgraded anything since the brits left
1120642;1430799597;decimation;still using ancient signaling devices, etc
1120643;1430799599;asciilifeform;decimation: not quite, in got some su hardware on the cheap
1120644;1430799613;asciilifeform;but probably not enough to be visible to unarmed eye
1120645;1430799614;felipelalli;the new blocktrain: http://img.qga.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/metr%C3%B4-sp-0.jpeg
1120646;1430799616;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZeslR )
1120647;1430799628;danielpbarron;http://trilema.com/2014/cryptographs-revived/ << loaded train
1120648;1430799629;assbot;Cryptographs, revived. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZesSX )
1120649;1430799685;decimation;asciilifeform: the frontier railways are pathological cases, going between indian and bangladesh, nepal
1120650;1430799744;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: "Martti Malmi is << sirius. and yes.
1120651;1430799797;asciilifeform;so this character is known here, but is not in wot proper ?
1120652;1430799803;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120329 << the general score is an implementation error, due to originator noobishness. it's been mostly since remedied. see stuff like http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
1120653;1430799803;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 02:22:45; livegnik: danielpbarron: The main difference between Bitcoin-OTC and Identifi, if I understand correctly, is that the Bitcoin-OTC WoT acts as a WoT-for-all, whereas with Identifi each identity has it's own WoT, and there's no 'general' score.
1120654;1430799804;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZeJoS )
1120655;1430799825;asciilifeform;!s wot not scalar
1120656;1430799826;assbot;1 results for 'wot not scalar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wot+not+scalar
1120657;1430799862;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1120658;1430799902;mircea_popescu;in other news : i
1120659;1430799915;mircea_popescu;i'm "hacking" gravtar, been exposing gmail emails all day.
1120660;1430799919;mircea_popescu;will make a post later about it.
1120661;1430799924;asciilifeform;l0l
1120662;1430799949;mircea_popescu;oh i recall this identi.fi thing being discussed at some point cuz anduck was in it. maybe a year ago ?
1120663;1430799956;mircea_popescu;!s "identi.fi"
1120664;1430799956;assbot;3 results for '"identi.fi"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22identi.fi%22
1120665;1430799968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there were some results with dictionary attack a while ago
1120666;1430799971;asciilifeform;(it used md5, iirc)
1120667;1430799973;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2014#868256
1120668;1430799973;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2014 03:19:12; mircea_popescu: http://identi.fi/id/account/mircea_popescu@bitcoin-otc.com << check out the scrappers ?
1120669;1430799975;mircea_popescu;word.
1120670;1430799986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. this is going the other way.
1120671;1430800005;asciilifeform;http://www.developer.it/post/gravatars-why-publishing-your-email-s-hash-is-not-a-good-idea
1120672;1430800006;assbot;Gravatars: why publishing your email's hash is not a good idea ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZf6Qe )
1120673;1430800050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. this is going the other way tho : make emails, hash, test.
1120674;1430800060;mircea_popescu;im going through ~100/s, fished out a few dozen already.
1120675;1430800060;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: not only emails but the photo together. :)
1120676;1430800061;asciilifeform;that works
1120677;1430800068;asciilifeform;l0l
1120678;1430800135;*;asciilifeform doubts that anyone will be shocked at the discovery that one can do this
1120679;1430800153;mircea_popescu;i intend to email the people so i guess we see.
1120680;1430800160;decimation;why use unsalted md5?
1120681;1430800171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.0002504 = 11.8064 BTC [-] {2} 
1120682;1430800187;mircea_popescu;because gravatar, which is a subsidiary of automattic, which exists in order to shit on the internet.
1120683;1430800211;mircea_popescu;there's an entire subculture of these asinine imbeciles, from altman to fetlife to automattic to you name it.
1120684;1430800267;mircea_popescu;"everyone can drive a car" results sooner or later in the "nobody could have foreseen that curve" soccer mom and old person automotive club
1120685;1430800488;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120368 << rhel was not BORN a usg agency. it first made money, on a totally different business model, before folding in. this celia approach to life doesn't work as a way to START. it's a way to end.
1120686;1430800488;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 02:32:01; livegnik: The idea for business model for the company we have in mind probably comes closest to Red Hat, without the Enterprise edition.
1120687;1430800505;mircea_popescu;(but i do recall a kid who, whenever asked what he aims to become in lyf, would answer "pensioneer")
1120688;1430800537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00024984 = 9.419 BTC [-] {2} 
1120689;1430800550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120380 << if only people did their year of logs before proceeding into walls.
1120690;1430800550;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 02:36:21; livegnik: trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project full-time. I've actually quit my dayjob for it and am burning my savings.
1120691;1430800594;decimation;I remember the early days of redhat, when everyone thought they were the heros for trying to 'make money' on open source software
1120692;1430800614;mircea_popescu;mhm
1120693;1430800622;mircea_popescu;well, back then they were the heroes.
1120694;1430800655;mircea_popescu;heck, at some point graham was a very respectable lisp hacker, and buffett a supremely wise capital allocator.
1120695;1430800659;mircea_popescu;age gets to us all.
1120696;1430800664;decimation;then they realized that they occupied a massive vacuum left by sun and old purveyors of unix to usg
1120697;1430800673;mircea_popescu;myeah
1120698;1430800688;mircea_popescu;the problem with people, generally, is that they never aim to destroy.
1120699;1430800713;mircea_popescu;the thought of your average joe when confronted with a vacuum is never "holy shit ima make SUCH A fucking earthquake here..."
1120700;1430800737;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120414 << this is exactly what planning is not.
1120701;1430800737;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 02:46:43; livegnik: trinque: We plan to break-even within (max) a year or 3.
1120702;1430800748;decimation;but he has an accountant!
1120703;1430800755;mircea_popescu;women plan like thus : i would like for X to happen. men plan like thus : X is probably going to happen want it or not.
1120704;1430800762;mircea_popescu;the former's daydreaming, the latter's planning.
1120705;1430800772;mircea_popescu;because human culture is an exercise in opressing the female viewpoint
1120706;1430800780;mircea_popescu;principally because the female viewpoint is retardedly infantile.
1120707;1430800861;mircea_popescu;decimation : to quote the original variety speak, "the budget goes crunch, but the names pack punch, so they called over the accountants and they're gonna do lunch"
1120708;1430800918;cazalla;AU slashed interest rates to 2.0%, lowest on record, gotta juice the housing market a bit more i guess
1120709;1430800958;decimation;mircea_popescu: the idea that an accountant is the guy who should be planning your business is a little silly
1120710;1430800979;mircea_popescu;he means the accountant will shrug at their projections and go "i guess"
1120711;1430800991;mircea_popescu;which makes them ever so slightly better than blindfold darts
1120712;1430801012;decimation;yeah, reminds me of 'technical analysis' of stocks
1120713;1430801043;mircea_popescu;accountant is definitely useful, in this process.
1120714;1430801056;mircea_popescu;like the mill generator is important in aircraft.
1120715;1430801061;mircea_popescu;it won't land the thing for you tho.
1120716;1430801070;decimation;sure, but in the sense of knowing where you are, not where you are going I would think?
1120717;1430801100;mircea_popescu;accountant's a tool. can only shine in the hands of providential management.
1120718;1430801139;decimation;yes.  one problem with the us business world in general is that many 'staff' positions like accountancy have been mistaken for management
1120719;1430801180;mircea_popescu;if you don't have providential management, da fuck you gonna do. trust in the tools.
1120720;1430801210;mircea_popescu;cargo cultism at its most base. "well we don't have a mechanic, but all the toolboxes are here and open just like he would have had them, were he here"
1120721;1430801233;decimation;maybe if we let the tools decide?
1120722;1430801288;*;mircea_popescu imagines very sad repair shop operated by the surviving children of dead mechanic, through throwing wrenches and whatnot at engines.
1120723;1430801330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24979 @ 0.00024961 = 6.235 BTC [-] {2} 
1120724;1430801333;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: << that part's got to go << that's the part which provides "usability".
1120725;1430801391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118121 @ 0.00024879 = 29.3873 BTC [-] {3} 
1120726;1430801441;*;mircea_popescu pokes asciilifeform the conquering hero as to THE STATE OF THE DAMNED GPG KEYS!111
1120727;1430801532;mircea_popescu;thinking about it, i'm not even sure what ycombinator's business model is supposed to be past the old yahoo scam (trick old ladies into thinking X is big so they pour their money into it, pocketing most of it, etc)
1120728;1430801593;decimation;yeah, but richer and more sophisticated ladies, because they are qualified investors
1120729;1430801610;mircea_popescu;right.
1120730;1430801625;mircea_popescu;well yahoo in the golden age (1999-2002ish) also swindled the same market.
1120731;1430801682;mircea_popescu;same Katie Courics/Elie Wiesels/Alicia Koplowitzes that madoff took to the cleaners too.
1120732;1430805478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117421 @ 0.00025244 = 29.6418 BTC [+] {2} 
1120733;1430805905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00025766 = 10.3064 BTC [+]
1120734;1430806027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93401 @ 0.00024651 = 23.0243 BTC [-]
1120735;1430806637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89750 @ 0.00024651 = 22.1243 BTC [-]
1120736;1430808833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74350 @ 0.00026059 = 19.3749 BTC [+] {2} 
1120737;1430809016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00024651 = 12.3502 BTC [-]
1120738;1430810199;mircea_popescu;http://www.experian.com/small-business/mailing-lists.jsp << check out the mad skills of experian.
1120739;1430810200;assbot;Buy Mailing Lists, Marketing Lists & Leads Online | Consumer Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1bZASDu )
1120740;1430811409;mats;https://www.mininodes.com/64-bit-arm-servers-now-available/
1120741;1430814398;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120242 if you have any better idea how to come up with patch ID and propagate it
1120742;1430814398;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:27:39; asciilifeform: jurov: can we have less mutilation (file names?) plz ?
1120743;1430814511;cazalla;http://agar.io/ sweet game
1120744;1430814511;assbot;Agar.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcV82B )
1120745;1430814610;mircea_popescu;namespaces, best problem in cs.
1120746;1430816082;davout;;;later tell funkenstein_ nice blog post
1120747;1430816083;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1120748;1430816902;jurov;lmao.. liberlanders tried to board their homeland, get detained by croatian customs for "crossing border outside of b.point"
1120749;1430816926;jurov;promise "we'll try next time using proper protocol for boarding from international waters"
1120750;1430817005;jurov;with "We have assistance of Serbian police, which is now coordinating the action so everything would go well in keeping with the international laws."
1120751;1430817135;jurov;sauce: https://www.facebook.com/theliberlandtimes
1120752;1430817137;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zvMN6X )
1120753;1430817312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00024651 = 2.12 BTC [-]
1120754;1430817556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139617 @ 0.00024729 = 34.5259 BTC [+]
1120755;1430818166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00024729 = 4.9458 BTC [+]
1120756;1430818227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170100 @ 0.00024729 = 42.064 BTC [+]
1120757;1430818253;punkman;jurov, also funny http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173
1120758;1430818254;assbot;Illegal Liberland flag removed from Siga | Paraduin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zvPuoX )
1120759;1430821216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 211 @ 0.01075639 = 2.2696 BTC [+] {5} 
1120760;1430821338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48462 @ 0.00024729 = 11.9842 BTC [+]
1120761;1430821826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33610 @ 0.00024622 = 8.2755 BTC [-] {2} 
1120762;1430821887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102858 @ 0.00024471 = 25.1704 BTC [-] {3} 
1120763;1430822497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00024729 = 18.6209 BTC [+]
1120764;1430822985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0002428 = 7.4175 BTC [-]
1120765;1430826950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41630 @ 0.00024457 = 10.1814 BTC [+] {2} 
1120766;1430827011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.000248 = 22.6176 BTC [+]
1120767;1430828048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25520 @ 0.00024839 = 6.3389 BTC [+]
1120768;1430828657;jurov;http://journal.liberation.fr/publication/liberation/1849/#!/0_0 lulz for mircea_popescu
1120769;1430828657;assbot;Libération, journal numérique du 5 mai 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zK2eJ4 )
1120770;1430829207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179900 @ 0.00024393 = 43.883 BTC [-] {3} 
1120771;1430829686;mats;it falls
1120772;1430830217;jurov;http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote wow,$42 for 0.1 pseudobtc? /r/buttcoin has field day with this
1120773;1430830218;assbot;GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zK4no8 )
1120774;1430830312;davout;jurov: re liberation maximum kek
1120775;1430830480;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120260 <<< didn't stop dominique strauss kahn :D
1120776;1430830480;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:34:14; trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah they were total trolls at my old gig
1120777;1430830563;davout;asciilifeform: really curious to see how the orphanage thermonuke patch will work in the field
1120778;1430831876;mats;https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/595576361512755200
1120779;1430832356;asciilifeform;182842
1120780;1430833567;asciilifeform;jurov: please check turdatron
1120781;1430833574;asciilifeform;ate msg for no reason that i can discern
1120782;1430833587;asciilifeform;nm, just slow
1120783;1430833600;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000089.html
1120784;1430833601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dKnsN3 )
1120785;1430833605;asciilifeform;^ achtung, panzers
1120786;1430833617;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Valgrind Output.
1120787;1430833742;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
1120788;1430834514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166650 @ 0.00024604 = 41.0026 BTC [+] {2} 
1120789;1430834575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181302 @ 0.00023476 = 42.5625 BTC [-] {2} 
1120790;1430834591;*;mod6 looks
1120791;1430835063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16398 @ 0.00023326 = 3.825 BTC [-]
1120792;1430835158;mod6;;;calc 50655817/1024000
1120793;1430835159;gribble;49.4685712891
1120794;1430835166;mod6;so about 10x that much eh
1120795;1430835292;mod6;187980 << im at this block
1120796;1430835304;mod6;but overnight my nmon capture died :<
1120797;1430835368;mircea_popescu;jurov what's liberanders ?
1120798;1430835475;mod6;here's what I'm seeing in my vmstat.out -- before bitcoind was started, and currently: http://dpaste.com/3E5W7SB.txt
1120799;1430835476;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMoe2W )
1120800;1430835507;mircea_popescu;<jurov>  wow,$42 for 0.1 pseudobtc? << i don't see anything on that page ?
1120801;1430835600;jurov;dunno, works from here. and it went up to $55
1120802;1430835608;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu jurov give me two mins and i'll have a little qntra piece on it
1120803;1430835611;jurov;http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote
1120804;1430835612;assbot;GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMoqzn )
1120805;1430835617;mircea_popescu;http://md0.libe.com/api/libe/v2/paperpage/218512/?size=x500&format=jpg << what the fuck idiotic format is that.
1120806;1430835618;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMosHr )
1120807;1430835629;jurov;oh you mean liberation
1120808;1430835650;jurov;that's worse shit than scribd, i did not realize at first
1120809;1430835752;mircea_popescu;anyway. so some senator wants the bitches in decolletage. big whoop.
1120810;1430835762;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/gbtc-otc-derp.png << this what you see ?
1120811;1430835763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMoEX3 )
1120812;1430835793;jurov;yea, that i saw when i had js disabled
1120813;1430835839;mircea_popescu;ah ok. it'll be good enough then. no quotes.
1120814;1430835853;Pierre_Rochard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120718 < bizarre statement, if you think of your CFO as staff, you hired the wrong guy
1120815;1430835853;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 04:45:39; decimation: yes.  one problem with the us business world in general is that many 'staff' positions like accountancy have been mistaken for management
1120816;1430835866;mircea_popescu;"The Liberlanden goverment seems to have a lot of plans for the future. Paraduin appears to have no plans. Why clutch the control of a nation which you have no intrest in?" << wtf is with these retarded children. they're comparing their reality on the grounds of the extension of their hopes and dreams now ?
1120817;1430835895;mircea_popescu;"you and sara aren't nearly as much a thing as me and sara, because I even draw weird pictures of her in my fictional dungeon doing really slave-y shit!!1"
1120818;1430835896;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bingoboingo http://dpaste.com/0J7BCR7.txt << qntsideration
1120819;1430835897;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JO3mhY )
1120820;1430835897;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1120821;1430835901;mircea_popescu;meanwhile sara doesn't know who either are.
1120822;1430835921;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard cfo is nonsense in the first place.
1120823;1430835930;mircea_popescu;what are you, a private bank ?
1120824;1430835981;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/3SJX45Z.txt << qntsideration
1120825;1430835981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JO3u19 )
1120826;1430835981;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1120827;1430836023;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform (Fragging; or dynamic crud somehow not covered by valgrind, etc.) << i toldja it doesn't only leak in that place.
1120828;1430836040;Pierre_Rochard;seriously? I’ve only worked in handful of businesses, but I can’t imagine them operating for long without a CFO
1120829;1430836058;mircea_popescu;but ==4466== ERROR SUMMARY: 303360 errors from 25 contexts is not bad.
1120830;1430836085;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard yeah, but what they did was glorify their accountant into "officer"hood.
1120831;1430836104;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/GBTC-quote-May-5-2015.png << this is what i see.
1120832;1430836105;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JO3DSd )
1120833;1430836108;mircea_popescu;a business couldn't conceivably operate for long without the cleanning lady, either, but that doesn't mean she's not staff.
1120834;1430836152;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski lol. doesn't even... price outside of week range etc ? p.lulzy.
1120835;1430836189;pete_dushenski;mebbe "pink sheets" don't have such fancy rules ?
1120836;1430836211;pete_dushenski;still, $550 for APPROXIMATELY one coin
1120837;1430836218;mircea_popescu;i'm having a lol at "greyscale" having made essentially the same tired out bitcoin scam.
1120838;1430836222;pete_dushenski;what's the margin for error here, me wonders.
1120839;1430836234;mircea_popescu;these fiat derps really imagine they're going to be such hot shit once "they get regulatory approval"
1120840;1430836242;mircea_popescu;then they do and it turns out... that's still not where it's at.
1120841;1430836284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80950 @ 0.00024361 = 19.7202 BTC [+]
1120842;1430836325;pete_dushenski;"no one could've predicted"
1120843;1430836359;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: there’s been generalized inflation of “C” positions, but if you’re going to glorify someone, may as well be the financial steward of the company. He’s a key part of governance and oversight. Or at least, that’s been my experience
1120844;1430836382;mircea_popescu;oversight he is, but that's staff.
1120845;1430836392;mircea_popescu;governance is the job of the fucking board not the job of the officers
1120846;1430836397;mircea_popescu;for crying out loud k ?
1120847;1430836426;mircea_popescu;i get it, everyone wants to pretend and pretense is expensive so everyone agrees to pretend in a cheaper, mutually recognised way
1120848;1430836428;mircea_popescu;nevertheless...
1120849;1430836528;mircea_popescu;unless you're out and out making tax avoidance and marginal financial scams a part of your business model (hence my "are you a private bank" question), in which case yes the cfo is in fact a chief of a department and needs to come up with planning for the board etc,
1120850;1430836532;Pierre_Rochard;oversight is the definition of management. A board’s governance is over the officers of the company in practice
1120851;1430836537;mircea_popescu;having a cfo is like having an afterburner. for your car.
1120852;1430836551;Pierre_Rochard;that’s the street view
1120853;1430836551;mircea_popescu;no. oversight is the definition of parenting.
1120854;1430836574;mircea_popescu;if oversight were the definition of management, all parents of autistic children should be in jail.
1120855;1430836638;Pierre_Rochard;Your view of cfos reveals something about the cfos you’ve had experience with...
1120856;1430836656;mircea_popescu;in no case can random corp that's NOT a private bank actually afford a cfo. (who no, is not an accountant, and who yes costs more than a good ceo - which again isn't "i'm the boss")
1120857;1430836724;Pierre_Rochard;right, characters out of hollywood movies are generally not available for hire
1120858;1430836739;mircea_popescu;man...
1120859;1430836878;mircea_popescu;competent people are not "characters out of hollywood movies". this is like... guy wanting to break up with his wife because she's... whatever, middleaged fatty, and she breaking out the "supermodels aren't available!!1"
1120860;1430836899;mircea_popescu;depends for whom. yes, for middle aged fatty married to middle aged fatty they aren't. which is why he calling her a "porn star" is dubious in the first place.
1120861;1430836997;mircea_popescu;the conflict here being that you like accountancy and imagine that "being an accountant" is a part of one's identity, and i used to like being a cfo back when i was still available to hire, and i had a very strict "accountant ne ultra crepidam" then, too.
1120862;1430837198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00024361 = 3.3253 BTC [+]
1120863;1430837249;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1120864;1430837262;gribble;Current Blocks: 355080 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 1751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 9 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1120865;1430837314;mircea_popescu;difficulty choking with price uptrend
1120866;1430837321;mircea_popescu;we're going to see 1000s this year aren't we.
1120867;1430837350;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1120868;1430837351;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.95, Best ask: 235.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 235.0, 24 hour volume: 35540.0351353, 24 hour low: 231.05, 24 hour high: 241.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1120869;1430837367;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you familiar with the "poisoned reactor" phenomenon ?
1120870;1430837368;pete_dushenski;tis possibru
1120871;1430837379;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu hm. no ?
1120872;1430837379;Pierre_Rochard; my background does color my view, but a competent cfo isn’t one who’s great at tax avoidance (that’s why you hire…. tax accountants!) or cooking the books. (1) A competent cfo is one who build a great financial planning and analysis team and uses them well - to inform the CEO’s strategy and constraints under which the business operates. (2) A competent cfo also builds a great internal audit team to maintain
1120873;1430837380;Pierre_Rochard;control over assets and operations
1120874;1430837401;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard yes man, in theory this is true. in practice you know what it is.
1120875;1430837413;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well then pull a chair and let old man me tell you a story!
1120876;1430837420;Pierre_Rochard;that’s what I’ve seen in practice…
1120877;1430837421;pete_dushenski;my favourite!
1120878;1430837448;mircea_popescu;so, nuclear reactions happen a lot like dating : whenever a nucleon breaks up, it spits out some accelerated particles. either these hit another nucleon and start another reaction or they don't.
1120879;1430837505;mircea_popescu;in order for the nuclear reaction to be a nuclear explosion, the average nucleons hit / nucleons broken must be >1. in order for it to be a nuclear reactor (the civillian kind) it must be exactly 1. but exactly. if it goes below 1 the reaction extinguishes, so most reactors are run as a 0.999 - 1 oscillation, practically.
1120880;1430837550;mircea_popescu;the way this is accomplished in practice is with "moderators", which are rods of particle absorbers. these soak up the particles, reducing the rate of reaction. in practice, large barium rods go in and out of the core
1120881;1430837590;mircea_popescu;now, some particular fuels have the unfortunate property that if the reaction is ever decelerated, they produce nuclear poisons. nuclear poisons are usually gases (like xeon) that absorb particles and decay.
1120882;1430837639;mircea_popescu;a very dangerous situation can develop in practice (especially in "manually operated" reactors) where the core is well poisoned, which makes it look like it is working way way under 1, which prompts the techs to remove the moderator further.
1120883;1430837648;cazalla;pete_dushenski, it's up
1120884;1430837660;mircea_popescu;nothing happens, of course, because the poisons are still sucking up the particles. so they pull the moderator even further, not getting any feedback.
1120885;1430837687;mircea_popescu;at which point hte poison suddenly runs out, and now you have a critical reactor and not enough time to moderate it (because those rods take time to move, being mechanical in nature).
1120886;1430837693;mircea_popescu;and this is how chernobyl happened.
1120887;1430837728;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu mercy... well told!
1120888;1430837740;pete_dushenski;cazalla cheers mate.
1120889;1430837802;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard what i've seen in practice is a lot of "industry standards" and "nobody could have predicted", neither of which do a cfo make.
1120890;1430837851;mircea_popescu;in fact whenever an officer of any kind justifies anything by "it being industry standard" that officer should be therewith fired and sent back to the staff position he belongs in.
1120891;1430837869;mircea_popescu;it's leadership not followship. you gotta have much better reasons to do anything than "erryone else's doing it"
1120892;1430837889;Pierre_Rochard;I agree
1120893;1430837891;mircea_popescu;and this includes "compliance"
1120894;1430838031;pete_dushenski;is scoopbot_revived seriously down again ?
1120895;1430838037;mircea_popescu;now maybe you live in the magical land over the rainbow where people making 75-150k a year with an accountancy degree under their belt somehow actually come up with strategies and organise departments and whatnot. in practice, you'll get a whole lotta copy/paste, shannonization of varous recycled material (what they got from "books" / overheard at conferences etc) and so on.
1120896;1430838037;pete_dushenski;^williamdunne
1120897;1430838251;Pierre_Rochard;often better than them trying to reinvent the wheel, that’s when you get some real cargo culting
1120898;1430838266;Pierre_Rochard;“triple entry accounting!!” etc
1120899;1430838289;mircea_popescu;no argument.
1120900;1430838312;mircea_popescu;im not saying that accountants trying to cope with being officers by being bland are better or worse than those trying to cope by being insane.
1120901;1430838323;mircea_popescu;im saying you shouldn't really put people in positions where they have to cope in production
1120902;1430838328;mircea_popescu;coping stress is for school.
1120903;1430838405;mircea_popescu;course school doesn't do that anymore, they just take the tuition, so now business is stuck doing primitive on-job training like it were 1700 all of a sudden.
1120904;1430838418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233700 @ 0.0002351 = 54.9429 BTC [-] {4} 
1120905;1430838420;Pierre_Rochard;agreed, and I will say not every company’s top accounting/finance person should be cfo, they often should just be treasurer or controller
1120906;1430838422;mircea_popescu;really, the immensity of cultural decay in the west is not something people can appreciate off the street.
1120907;1430838445;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard nothing wrong with that, you know ? be the fucking treasurer, nobody died of it yet sorta thing.
1120908;1430838448;cazalla;pete_dushenski, seems to be.. i swear he was here earlier
1120909;1430838460;pete_dushenski;hm.
1120910;1430838473;mircea_popescu;ima ban pete, he keeps breaking the scoop.
1120911;1430838478;cazalla;if i post a qntra link, it's duplicated seconds later, but if i don't.. nothing!
1120912;1430838483;mircea_popescu;lalw
1120913;1430838504;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu why would nuclear reactions ever be decelerated ? why not just add more barium rods to absorb the excess nucleons ?
1120914;1430838514;mircea_popescu;that's decelerating it.
1120915;1430838521;mircea_popescu;when it goes from 1 to 0.999 it decelerated.
1120916;1430838543;pete_dushenski;oh.
1120917;1430838566;pete_dushenski;which fuels are more likely to poison reactors ?
1120918;1430838606;mircea_popescu;iodine pit, xenon pit. whichever make those.
1120919;1430838639;pete_dushenski;and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
1120920;1430838647;mircea_popescu;(most of them, in practice)
1120921;1430838652;mircea_popescu;like the candu shit you people use.
1120922;1430838671;pete_dushenski;lolk.
1120923;1430838682;*;ben_vulpes wonders if thing is an l2 pun he doesn't understand the context for
1120924;1430838690;pete_dushenski;my dad always says "you people" to refer to jooz.
1120925;1430838713;pete_dushenski;he's... a goy.
1120926;1430838719;*;ben_vulpes enjoys a brief moment of respite to catch up on logs
1120927;1430838757;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what thing
1120928;1430838765;ben_vulpes;<pete_dushenski> and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
1120929;1430838770;mircea_popescu;lol
1120930;1430838860;*;ben_vulpes pages impatiently through the rhetoric looking for mod6 and asciilifeform and trinque's convos
1120931;1430839167;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "iconv" << is this another one of those "lol u tried to make a static bin sucker" traps?
1120932;1430839168;*;mircea_popescu totally luhvs job jurov is doing as f.mpif manager.
1120933;1430839174;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes exactly.
1120934;1430839205;ben_vulpes;and even though the produced binary is "static" it still loads system modules at runtime?
1120935;1430839210;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1120936;1430839220;mircea_popescu;because orcs must have their dead worm pictures.
1120937;1430839255;ben_vulpes;carving cthulus name over athena's face.
1120938;1430839304;mircea_popescu;you know, for kids.
1120939;1430839332;pete_dushenski;that's pretty fuckin bizarre
1120940;1430839341;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
1120941;1430839349;ben_vulpes;(0.5.3.1)
1120942;1430839384;mircea_popescu;so xoom (some derpy bitcoin exchange thing) : 1. pays google to advertise on pages where it gets 1st slot organically anyway ; 2. fails to even fucking load the landingpage  : http://dpaste.com/306CZPS
1120943;1430839385;assbot;dpaste: 306CZPS ... ( http://bit.ly/1F41TDf )
1120944;1430839387;ben_vulpes;mod6, mircea_popescu, trinque, decimation, mats: ^^ anyone else is welcome to answer as well
1120945;1430839395;jurov;lol thanks, why? it's not exactly demanding job
1120946;1430839405;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it ends up pulled through glibc which is the source of this poison
1120947;1430839418;mircea_popescu;jurov people have fucking serious problems doing well simple jobs like this.
1120948;1430839439;mircea_popescu;so when it's been working correctly for months without needing all sorts of suddenly needed fixes, i'm as happy as i can be.
1120949;1430839479;mircea_popescu;https://www.xoom.com/home?_rt=kac-all-branded-google-xoombrandedsearch-row-en&cid=ps_brd_dsk_all_all_pd__gog_gxbs___ad_acq__us_&languageCode=en&gclid=CLmS3tjzqsUCFQIQ7AodgG8AYQ << lawler.
1120950;1430839501;mircea_popescu;languageCode = underscoreLisp
1120951;1430839560;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5F8ObYgjI
1120952;1430839561;assbot;You know, for kids - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC1HE0 )
1120953;1430839643;pete_dushenski;heh. gbtc 'daily range' now $55.00 - 94.86. 52wk range unaffected, still 37.98 - 42.00.
1120954;1430839675;thestringpuller;http://gavinandresen.ninja/it-must-be-done-but-is-not-a-panacea
1120955;1430839718;pete_dushenski;next lowest ask: $175 for  1 share, then $299.95 for 100 shares.
1120956;1430839729;jurov;kicking can down the road since 2010 (tm)
1120957;1430839768;ben_vulpes;jurov: http://tm.shithouse.tv
1120958;1430839769;assbot;™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1F42DrY )
1120959;1430839883;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> and i thought i was retarded. << mind you, the feat being performed is sort of one of profound retardation from the ground up, so the guy's up against a pretty epic tower of abstractions
1120960;1430839891;ben_vulpes;!s dark tower
1120961;1430839892;assbot;2 results for 'dark tower' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dark+tower
1120962;1430839892;pete_dushenski;gavin: "The ten-minute settlement time of blocks on the network is not fast enough for those problems," << so... go diddle litecoin.
1120963;1430839922;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski pretty lulzy.
1120964;1430839954;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i have nfi why the guy even imagines himself to be involved in bitcoin still.
1120965;1430839955;thestringpuller;"You cannot expect people to do things for free if we want to keep the system decentralized. Its just not going to happen."
1120966;1430839957;mircea_popescu;must be mental inertia.
1120967;1430839995;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> in other news, shoe problems http://40.media.tumblr.com/996bce3d7cadf68f3dcb6cbca5d36ca5/tumblr_n1kzmtoDiA1sx2zfgo4_r1_1280.jpg << tango's given me a new appreciation for the range of girls' ability to derp around in heels
1120968;1430839996;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC2RiA )
1120969;1430840022;mircea_popescu;http://gavinandresen.ninja/time-to-roll-out-bigger-blocks << ahahaha derp's actually expecting to pull that thing into core ?
1120970;1430840023;assbot;Time to roll out bigger blocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC2WCV )
1120971;1430840030;davout;"We are years away from a time when we can confidently tell a wallet developer “use this solution to give your users very-high-volume, very-low-cost, very-low-minimum-payment instant transactions.”" <<< someone show them to a mysql howto or something
1120972;1430840031;mircea_popescu;why, on the grounds that "it's a year away so nobody can think about that" ?
1120973;1430840098;mircea_popescu;hey power-rangers : nothing changes because it's a year away. if you put this in now, i will STILL attack your pathetic shit once you diverge from bitcoin, and i will still sink it. and you will probably try to pull a "nobody could have foreseen", except in your case, like in the case of the bfl scammers, i have the record pre-made, it's right here.
1120974;1430840104;mircea_popescu;"nobody could have foreseen" my foot.
1120975;1430840156;mircea_popescu;gotta love gavin's move from his blog to this thing where there's no comments. clearly, the man has a lot of support o.O
1120976;1430840326;ben_vulpes;maybe he just likes static html
1120977;1430840327;thestringpuller;^- http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34uu02/why_increasing_the_max_block_size_is_urgent_gavin/ << redditards are too lazy to comment on stuff other than reddit
1120978;1430840402;mircea_popescu;"It's pretty easy to have blocks of arbitrary size with no commercial disadvantage to miners-- and doesn't require fancy relay protocols; just all use a single large pool and a mining protocol like stratum that conceals whats being mined from the miners. The more data/cpu required to synchronize state, the more advantage there is in centralizing the function."
1120979;1430840403;mircea_popescu;riiiight.
1120980;1430840617;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [15:05] course school doesn't do that anymore, they just take the tuition, so now business is stuck doing primitive on-job training like it were 1700 all of a sudden. << jesus tell me about it
1120981;1430840628;ben_vulpes;"no. 10am. at the latest."
1120982;1430840632;mircea_popescu;i thought you paged through the rhetoric
1120983;1430840656;ben_vulpes;i don't think you really grok how much rhetoric you drop
1120984;1430840657;mod6;the good news is, I got my gentoo-stage3 to boot without a kernel panic. the bad news seems to be that i can't seem to login... something went sideways with the pubkey auth
1120985;1430840662;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/05#l1430840272 << aww two hours short of leet.
1120986;1430840663;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC4z3y )
1120987;1430840683;mircea_popescu;mod6 dude my heart goes out to you. all this shit that works until you try it...
1120988;1430840693;mod6;:]
1120989;1430840695;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you're prolly right.
1120990;1430840712;jurov;mod6 aws cloud-init injects other keys
1120991;1430840720;ben_vulpes;besides that was a *different* *uninteresting* block of rhetoric *upstream* of the shit i was interested in
1120992;1430840730;mircea_popescu;lol k
1120993;1430840738;jurov;which you specify when starting the instance
1120994;1430840740;ben_vulpes;aaand logged
1120995;1430840766;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i get my headers and usb widgets on wednesday night
1120996;1430840812;mircea_popescu;jurov how does that work anyway ?
1120997;1430840850;jurov;aws has the concept of machine image, which must be customized on first startup
1120998;1430840865;jurov;so, ssh pubkey is supplied extra and injeced then
1120999;1430840877;mircea_popescu;but how does the injection work ?
1121000;1430840899;jurov;a script called cloud-init runs on startup and does it
1121001;1430840914;davout;yay, gavinanderpsen appeared in #bitcoin to defend his nonsense, fun ahead
1121002;1430840938;mircea_popescu;davout i imagine alarms went out all through fort derp.
1121003;1430840976;mircea_popescu;jurov can you verify they actually inject your key rather than one of theirs for to mitm you with ?
1121004;1430840985;davout;lol
1121005;1430840993;mircea_popescu;(obviously aws the corp owns the servers, but i mean... random employee could totally do this, could they ?)
1121006;1430841025;jurov;they don't need ssh, at all
1121007;1430841047;mircea_popescu;thinking about it, i guess that's actually a point.
1121008;1430841055;mircea_popescu;check out the degradation of modernity!
1121009;1430841068;mircea_popescu;!up Adlai
1121010;1430841076;Adlai;danke
1121011;1430841092;mircea_popescu;np.
1121012;1430841117;jurov;anyway, mod6 has to check /etc/init.d whether clud init is there
1121013;1430841131;jurov;and it it's the case, remember which ssh pubkey he supplied
1121014;1430841157;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 aws cloud-init injects other keys << hmm. it asked me when making the instance from my gentoo-stage3 AMI what key's i wanted to use.  I also added "00_getsshkey.sh" script(s) as described in here: http://www.blackswanent.com/gentoo/building-a-gentoo-ami
1121015;1430841158;assbot;Building a Gentoo AMI | BlackSwan ... ( http://bit.ly/1F4565F )
1121016;1430841180;mod6;So when it asked me, I picked a keypair that I already had in use.  just expected it to let me use that... but guess not.
1121017;1430841256;mod6;<+jurov> anyway, mod6 has to check /etc/init.d whether clud init is there << i would check on the target environment, but i can't even get in there. I'll check in the chroot'd to-be-ami'd fs.
1121018;1430841312;jurov;kk. cron nor init scripts usually never work on the first try.
1121019;1430841341;mircea_popescu;x.x
1121020;1430841358;mircea_popescu;cron and init. more like sex than you'd have ever guessed.
1121021;1430841369;mod6;:D
1121022;1430841409;jurov;also, i don't see steps to avoid systemd in that doc
1121023;1430841432;jurov;iirc systemd does not do /etc/local.d
1121024;1430841478;mod6;hmm. now that, i do not know. once I get it up and going, i'll have to see what kinda clown cars are spinning in there.
1121025;1430841496;*;mod6 is not a linux ninja
1121026;1430841528;jurov;dat's good. since ninjas were assassins
1121027;1430841543;jurov;and gavin's bitcoin ninja
1121028;1430841550;jurov;:D
1121029;1430841551;mod6;haha, i saw that
1121030;1430841554;mircea_popescu;lol
1121031;1430841834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114239 @ 0.0002443 = 27.9086 BTC [+] {2} 
1121032;1430842108;mod6;<+jurov> iirc systemd does not do /etc/local.d << ok so yeah, i have these: 00_getsshkey.start  00_getsshkey.stop in /etc/local.d
1121033;1430842128;mod6;there are a bunch of scripts in /etc/init.d
1121034;1430842172;mod6;and under /etc/systemd there is one directory, 'network', which has nothing in there.
1121035;1430842172;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1121036;1430842292;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: THE DAMNED GPG KEYS!111 << dealing with sks retardation; see log
1121037;1430842312;mircea_popescu;i know i know. i'm just being managerially helpful over here.
1121038;1430842319;jurov;mod6 try looking into /var/log/rc.log
1121039;1430842321;ascii_field;mircea_popescu always h3lpfu11!
1121040;1430842365;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120816 << the 'micronations' derpage has been going on since '70s
1121041;1430842365;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 14:24:26; mircea_popescu: "The Liberlanden goverment seems to have a lot of plans for the future. Paraduin appears to have no plans. Why clutch the control of a nation which you have no intrest in?" << wtf is with these retarded children. they're comparing their reality on the grounds of the extension of their hopes and dreams now ?
1121042;1430842392;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900429
1121043;1430842392;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2014 19:27:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strauss is a (now very old) man who was involved with some of the '70s derpistans (actual attempts at island 'nations' by american jokers). worth reading if only for zoological purposes.
1121044;1430842488;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 try looking into /var/log/rc.log << there is no rc.log
1121045;1430842530;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120940 << process memory map
1121046;1430842530;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 15:22:21; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
1121047;1430842569;mircea_popescu;sometimes i suspect you read a lot more than me
1121048;1430842571;jurov;mod6: then enable rc_logger in /etc/rc.conf and after reboot you'll see whole startup
1121049;1430842579;mircea_popescu;but it's understandable - i got a lot to write :D
1121050;1430842592;mod6;jurov: ok thx
1121051;1430842617;mircea_popescu;!up dhill
1121052;1430842633;dhill;greetings
1121053;1430842648;*;ascii_field cheats by writing less, yes
1121054;1430842674;mircea_popescu;you this fellow https://github.com/dajohi ?
1121055;1430842676;assbot;dajohi (David Hill) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1F47hpG )
1121056;1430842676;*;ascii_field writes a good bit but mostly garbage for machine rather than words for men
1121057;1430842689;mod6;rebooting...
1121058;1430842692;dhill;yes i am that fellow
1121059;1430842698;mircea_popescu;so get in teh wot.
1121060;1430842717;mircea_popescu;and yes we're broadly aware of btcd.
1121061;1430842719;mircea_popescu;!s btcd
1121062;1430842720;assbot;93 results for 'btcd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=btcd
1121063;1430842720;punkman;"retarded children" -> "Representatives from the Confederation of Âûtia, a micronation for people on the autism spectrum, visited the [Liberland] area on 17 April 2015, but the Croatian police prevented the planting of their flag."
1121064;1430842744;mircea_popescu;punkman were they actually trying to plant anything ?
1121065;1430842761;dhill;new release today
1121066;1430842775;punkman;I'm just wondering how many people want that little piece of land
1121067;1430842799;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland lol already a thing acc.to pediwikia
1121068;1430842800;assbot;Liberland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1F47r0l )
1121069;1430842804;mircea_popescu;punkman danube delta's pretty sweet spot. heck, 500 different migratory tribes tried to get it.
1121070;1430842843;jurov;williamdunne: how comes pediwiki goes with such fad?
1121071;1430842882;dhill;btcd is replacing leveldb.  should be much faster soon.
1121072;1430842939;jurov;dhill, with what?
1121073;1430842942;dhill;boltdb
1121074;1430842944;williamdunne;jurov: Almost anyone can publish, anyone has a large variety of interests
1121075;1430842963;dhill;github.com/boltdb/bolt
1121076;1430842989;jurov;williamdunne you know what i mean. "almost everyone" has usually stuff taken down cuz not noteworthy
1121077;1430842990;punkman;dhill, why u no sqlite
1121078;1430843030;williamdunne;jurov: I don't really know enough about the demographics of the high-priests of WikiPedia to say anthing too intelligent. But I'm guessing they think it has a chance
1121079;1430843045;mircea_popescu;jurov "everyone". there's stuff the pedos in charge like. that stays.
1121080;1430843052;dhill;we started with sqlite.  but it requires cgo.
1121081;1430843061;punkman;what?
1121082;1430843076;mircea_popescu;there's no pure go sqlite ?
1121083;1430843088;dhill;i have a postgresql branch :)
1121084;1430843091;punkman;ahh btcd, never mind, thought we were talking about bitcoind
1121085;1430843106;mod6;ok jurov: got the log; I don't see any reference to systemd in there -- but keep in mind this is the parent system.
1121086;1430843110;punkman;so sqlite didn't work out well for you?
1121087;1430843113;dhill;i don't think there is a pure go sqlite?  we used mattn's.
1121088;1430843115;mod6;lemme post.
1121089;1430843147;mircea_popescu;!up davec
1121090;1430843161;jurov;mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not systemd, tha'ts ruled out
1121091;1430843162;dhill;davec is lead on btcd
1121092;1430843166;ascii_field;dhill: please say a little re: your choice of prog. lang.
1121093;1430843178;ascii_field;davec ^
1121094;1430843197;dhill;golang or c is basically all i can stomach.
1121095;1430843212;ascii_field;so why was the former chosen ?
1121096;1430843251;dhill;autoconf, different OSs, etc
1121097;1430843315;dhill;a huge one is test coverage
1121098;1430843336;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not systemd, tha'ts ruled out << ok *whew*. so yeah, both the parent and the chroot *have* /etc/rc.conf
1121099;1430843341;dhill;golang reports which lines of code were never hit in test coverage.
1121100;1430843360;davec;integrated test infrastructure, no active memory management (therefore no buffer overflows and all of the other common security issues that come with it),  standard formatting, platform independent code without the need for an installed runtime (ala JRE), excellent concurrency primitives, built-in profiling, and documentation facilities, etc
1121101;1430843375;ascii_field;davec: ordinary gprof does this for c, cpp, even fortran
1121102;1430843422;davec;sure, it not impossible ot do with other, but it's not as nicely integrated nor part of the culture
1121103;1430843441;mod6;here's that log from the parent gentoo, if you still care: http://dpaste.com/1ZPNT0S.txt
1121104;1430843442;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1F48mxW )
1121105;1430843473;jurov;mod6 i meant *all* paths inside the chroot. so if rc_logger="YES" then you'll get the log where hopefully you'll have any error messages from the local script
1121106;1430843522;dhill;davec, what was the db read time for both leveldb and boltdb?
1121107;1430843526;dhill;huge difference..
1121108;1430843628;mircea_popescu;!h
1121109;1430843628;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1121110;1430843642;mircea_popescu;you two seriously should tkae a few minutes and register your keys.
1121111;1430843663;mircea_popescu;it'll be valuable later on, and you'll regret not doing it sooner.
1121112;1430843838;dhill;oh i need a pgp key
1121113;1430843864;mircea_popescu;yes.
1121114;1430843931;jurov;dhill, davec, and don't forget to gpg-sing all stuff you publish, esp. binaries
1121115;1430843937;mircea_popescu;ascii_field shockingly enough, i suspect he actually has a point re the culture. somehow golang has this, whereas java or ruby do not.
1121116;1430843951;dhill;jurov: we sign our releases
1121117;1430843955;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how the hell one fashionable language managed to do it, but i am definitely curious.
1121118;1430844057;mod6;!up ascii_field
1121119;1430844062;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'year zero' where there isn't maxint lines of existing legacy crud that spews ten quintillion profiler errors - is why the 'culture' thing is less impressive than it sounds
1121120;1430844158;kakobrekla;from some random source, and I quote; " * Module to easily and possibly securily sign strings."
1121121;1430844346;mircea_popescu;ahahah
1121122;1430844354;mircea_popescu;ascii_field might well be yeah
1121123;1430844487;jurov;!up dhill
1121124;1430844523;davout;kakobrekla: nice
1121125;1430844714;mircea_popescu;ascii_field to be perfectly honest, i suspect a dark eminence over at google had something to do with it too
1121126;1430844716;mircea_popescu;no idea who tho
1121127;1430844777;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: pike ?
1121128;1430844821;mircea_popescu;maybe
1121129;1430844833;mircea_popescu;they do credit thompson as a designer too
1121130;1430844880;mircea_popescu;now if anyone should know the importance of culture...
1121131;1430844892;williamdunne;Possibly 15 years and becoming a registered sex offender for sex on the beach
1121132;1430844892;williamdunne;http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article20191164.html
1121133;1430844893;assbot;Couple found guilty of having sex on Florida beach | Miami Herald Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMODOa )
1121134;1430844912;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yo where's the scoopbot
1121135;1430844959;williamdunne;lawd knows
1121136;1430844969;williamdunne;Should be on a server soon
1121137;1430844978;mircea_popescu;that "sex offender" thing suffered as badly on the libertard threadmil as rape. nobody cares anymore.
1121138;1430844984;davout;williamdunne: get it a cloak
1121139;1430845000;mircea_popescu;used to be someone being an alleged rapist was a big deal. these days, it just mean kid went to college and wasn't entirely autistic
1121140;1430845046;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I think the problem is that a bunch of people are legally obligated to care, and apparently little background info is provided
1121141;1430845057;williamdunne;i.e raping a kid looks the same as shitting in a park
1121142;1430845081;ascii_field;from article, looks like fella had priors
1121143;1430845095;mircea_popescu;ascii_field by the looks of elissa... im sure he did.
1121144;1430845101;ascii_field;so it is quite like the 'life term for stealing candy' case from '90s
1121145;1430845138;mircea_popescu;"Video played in the courtroom during the 1- 1/2-day-long trial showed Alvarez moving on top of Caballero in a sexual manner" << does this actusally mean he pegged her ?
1121146;1430845179;ascii_field;http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/07/03/steal-pizza-die-prison << re: candy thief
1121147;1430845180;assbot;Californians Could Reform the Three Strikes Law | TakePart ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMPkad )
1121148;1430845180;williamdunne;Yeah but the woman is looking to go to jail too
1121149;1430845210;mircea_popescu;The state will ask for jail time for Alvarez and prison time for Caballero. "We gave them a reasonable offer, what we felt was reasonable, and they decided it wasn't something they wanted to accept responsibility for," Dafonseca said. "Despite the video, despite all the witnesses."
1121150;1430845214;mircea_popescu;you have GOT to be shitting me.
1121151;1430845276;*;mircea_popescu last had sex in public... last month. 
1121152;1430845287;mircea_popescu;since when are the non-fuckers making the rules ?! wtf is this, grammar school ?
1121153;1430845305;ascii_field;'you'll starve again unless you learn the meaning of the law' (TM) (R)
1121154;1430845347;williamdunne;you pedo
1121155;1430845353;williamdunne;*sex offendor
1121156;1430845364;mircea_popescu;actually... if the children are watching me fuck, they're adultos.
1121157;1430845373;mircea_popescu;pedo is when I watch *them*
1121158;1430845423;williamdunne;What about awkward eye contact during the fact? Is that a rape?
1121159;1430845467;mircea_popescu;awkward eye contact ?
1121160;1430845486;mircea_popescu;if you have time for eye contact, you gotta bring more bitchez next time.
1121161;1430845559;mircea_popescu; In 2000, repeated non-violent thief Louis Rodriguez was sentenced to a Third Strike life in prison sentence for stealing a candy bar and some cheese from a Los Angeles grocery store. After more than eight years behind bars, he died in a prison hospital from terminal liver failure. At the end of his life, he wound up costing California taxpayers more than $100,000 a year in housing and medical expenses.
1121162;1430845576;mircea_popescu;bwahaha. "your honor, i'm a diabethic. better cut the sentence in half."
1121163;1430845625;mircea_popescu;"In 2004, Californians voted on Proposition 66, which would have undone the state�s three strikes law. Polls showed 74 percent of voters supported the bill, but a zero-hour negative ad push by the California Peace Officers Association, then-Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and most of the law enforcement community turned public sentiment against it. The bill wound up failing by a 53 to 47 percent margin."
1121164;1430845630;mircea_popescu;"public sentiment" my foot.
1121165;1430845702;mircea_popescu;http://www.laopinion.com/sex-beach-playa-caballero-alvarez << the video if anyone cares.
1121166;1430845704;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMQF0E )
1121167;1430845721;williamdunne;Cheers
1121168;1430845850;williamdunne;I mean they're pretty clearly fucking, but not sure what difference that makes
1121169;1430845870;williamdunne;!up ascii_field
1121170;1430845874;mircea_popescu;yeah, they are. they suck at it too.
1121171;1430845910;williamdunne;Pretty boring clip, especially stupid that they didn't even try and conceal it
1121172;1430845931;mircea_popescu;well if they were gonna conceal it, might as well went to a room
1121173;1430845974;williamdunne;From my understanding some people enjoy the thrill of doing it in public, no? Doing it in a way that is less than obvious but still public surely would still deliver the same thrill
1121174;1430846024;mircea_popescu;the principal reason to fuck in public is to manifest your ownership of the public space, specifically against putative/imaginary/hallucinated ownership by people like the woman that made the video.
1121175;1430846042;mircea_popescu;the point is to humiliate and bother her, and to enact, especially for her benefit, her social inadequacy and inferiority.
1121176;1430846098;williamdunne;Not a reason I've heard before, but fair nuff'
1121177;1430846104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48081 @ 0.00023278 = 11.1923 BTC [-]
1121178;1430846145;danielpbarron;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068709/Mother-23-confesses-having-sex-giving-drugs-boy-15-just-three-years-arrested-charged-having-sex-two-DOGS.html
1121179;1430846146;assbot;Brittany Sonnier, 23, confesses to having sex with boy, 15 and two dogs | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMRPte )
1121180;1430846148;mircea_popescu;im sure there's people doing it out of infantile fixation, too.
1121181;1430846178;danielpbarron;"The boy reported the relationship after he grew concerned that Sonnier may have given him a venereal disease
1121182;1430846181;danielpbarron;Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068709/Mother-23-confesses-having-sex-giving-drugs-boy-15-just-three-years-arrested-charged-having-sex-two-DOGS.html#ixzz3ZHkwhtTD
1121183;1430846183;assbot;Brittany Sonnier, 23, confesses to having sex with boy, 15 and two dogs | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMRWVJ )
1121184;1430846254;williamdunne;Shame about the face
1121185;1430846268;mircea_popescu;sounds about like the daily mail
1121186;1430846330;mircea_popescu;for the record, i knew a chick that had a relationship with her dog.
1121187;1430846341;williamdunne;"relationship"
1121188;1430846366;mircea_popescu;hey, dog spent the night, k ?
1121189;1430846395;williamdunne;Did it make breakfast in the morning?
1121190;1430846398;williamdunne;Did she borrow his shirt?
1121191;1430846409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75238 @ 0.00023173 = 17.4349 BTC [-] {2} 
1121192;1430846415;ben_vulpes;in what world does the guy cook in the am?
1121193;1430846445;mircea_popescu;^
1121194;1430846470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169562 @ 0.00022165 = 37.5834 BTC [-]
1121195;1430846474;mircea_popescu;anyway, dog ended up with strange ideas about the world, scared the shit out of this chick i visited with once.
1121196;1430846486;ascii_field;unrelated: therealbitcoin is still unbuildable for cross-arm using anything but old makefile + my (unmerged) portatronic patch
1121197;1430846519;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Good point
1121198;1430846652;mircea_popescu;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/04/14/284CF10100000578-0-image-a-14_1430747845405.jpg << lulzy teenage controversies
1121199;1430846653;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOoggU )
1121200;1430846660;mircea_popescu;"men make me sick! i'd know!"
1121201;1430846945;mircea_popescu;in other news,
1121202;1430846945;mircea_popescu;Subject: Holded invoice alert
1121203;1430846945;mircea_popescu;Be adviced that your invoice include bad values. Look at the invoice and make amounts.
1121204;1430846945;mircea_popescu;Jane Roberts, CFO
1121205;1430847309;williamdunne;I wanna beat someone over the head on #bitcoin
1121206;1430847602;ascii_field;unrelated: i know folks who want to lease respectable servers for btc
1121207;1430847614;ascii_field;was there any public movement on this front, at any point ?
1121208;1430847631;mircea_popescu;lease as in to acquire or lease as in, to give away
1121209;1430847638;ascii_field;the former
1121210;1430847654;ascii_field;(afaik the latter would be 'let' in engl.)
1121211;1430847662;mircea_popescu;it would yeah.
1121212;1430847689;mircea_popescu;motherfucker am i going to end up with a btc isp on top of everything ?
1121213;1430847695;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1121214;1430847709;ascii_field;isp l0l sure
1121215;1430847733;mircea_popescu;those people can get respectable servers once they're in l1.
1121216;1430847766;ascii_field;actually fella is in my chain gang - diametric - and is in l1
1121217;1430847826;mircea_popescu;o hey, haven't seen him in a while.
1121218;1430847835;ben_vulpes;didn't he drop his keys on the floor?
1121219;1430847857;mircea_popescu;he did ?
1121220;1430847872;ascii_field;nope that was another bloke
1121221;1430848017;diametric;i'm still alive
1121222;1430848022;diametric;i've just been busy
1121223;1430848032;ascii_field;there he is.
1121224;1430848051;diametric;yes i'd pay for a server with btc.
1121225;1430848064;ascii_field;diametric does actual work. while i distract him.
1121226;1430848074;diametric;sometimes
1121227;1430848273;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1121228;1430848273;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2HMT9N1.txt )
1121229;1430848346;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983559 << seems what you want isn't a mining pool, rather just a working implementation of atomic swaps talking to a node on each fork
1121230;1430848346;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 17:00:31; mircea_popescu: davout http://trilema.com/2015/rfc-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/ there you go, degraded to rfc.
1121231;1430848633;scoopbot_revived;News! Gravatar still sucks URL: http://trilema.com/2015/gravatar-still-sucks/
1121232;1430849664;williamdunne;http://gavinandresen.ninja/block-size-and-miner-fees-again
1121233;1430849664;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOsCVh )
1121234;1430849704;*;Adlai likes the "Now read this" closing each post. So say we all!
1121235;1430849945;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1121236;1430850008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98535 @ 0.00023512 = 23.1675 BTC [+]
1121237;1430850019;danielpbarron;no comments, no date, no author (save the url)
1121238;1430850092;danielpbarron;link to twitter at the bottom; i guess that's where comments are supposed to go
1121239;1430851011;jurov;damn, i could have some servers ready by now. but when i mention who my clients are....
1121240;1430851265;mod6;finally.
1121241;1430851282;mod6;got it working, logged into gentoo instance built with my own stage3 ami
1121242;1430851302;mod6;ec2-user@ip-172-31-7-151 ~ $ uname -a
1121243;1430851302;mod6;Linux ip-172-31-7-151 3.18.11-gentoo #1 SMP Sun May 3 14:58:30 CDT 2015 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 v2 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
1121244;1430851305;mod6;ec2-user@ip-172-31-7-151 ~ $ ps aux | grep "init"
1121245;1430851308;mod6;root         1  0.2  0.0   4248  1508 ?        Ss   13:33   0:01 init [3]
1121246;1430851339;mod6;gentoo stage3, amd64, hardened, nomultilib
1121247;1430851411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.00022736 = 16.3472 BTC [-]
1121248;1430851437;trinque;mod6: nice job
1121249;1430851453;jurov;yea
1121250;1430851570;mod6;thx :]
1121251;1430851614;williamdunne;jurov: What problem is who giving you?
1121252;1430851638;jurov;"we have enough ddoses already no thanks"
1121253;1430851659;jurov;i was searching for a partner who already does some dc stuff
1121254;1430851663;mod6;lol, i didn't emerge sudo
1121255;1430851668;mod6;smh
1121256;1430851681;jurov;this happened. som now i'm on my own trying to put some setup together
1121257;1430851715;williamdunne;Who did you say your customers are?
1121258;1430851727;jurov;"bitcoin"
1121259;1430851734;williamdunne;Wait srsly?
1121260;1430851738;williamdunne;I've never had trouble with that
1121261;1430851764;williamdunne;Probably for the best anyway, it they're that faggoty they'll give up the moment a DMCA/Subpoena comes through the post
1121262;1430851783;jurov;!up ascii_field
1121263;1430851833;jurov;i was kicked out of bitvps myself due to ddos, myself
1121264;1430851860;thestringpuller;jurov: < gavinandresen> jurov: I said I asked economists review my ‘block size  economics’ post, and they did (and gave valuable feedback).  It would be a full-fledge research project to estimate the  impact of a technical change like increasing the max  possible block size, I think
1121265;1430851880;jurov;^yes, thins needs no further comment
1121266;1430851908;jurov;research would be too much, just keep kicking the can
1121267;1430851909;williamdunne;Thats stoopid, definitely needs to be someone who doesn't care
1121268;1430851985;jurov;still asking around, hopefully this time i'll end up with something
1121269;1430852018;williamdunne;I would offer to help but not sure how much I could do without being physically there
1121270;1430852048;jurov;yea, demand is for trustworthy machines ill put together myself
1121271;1430852062;jurov;but i can run the whole setup by you, definitely
1121272;1430852155;mircea_popescu;<jurov> damn, i could have some servers ready by now << aha ?
1121273;1430852164;mircea_popescu;wd mod6 !
1121274;1430852177;wyrdmantis;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/05#l1430850750 << Lolz, Adlai strikes tru
1121275;1430852178;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYHfVg )
1121276;1430852210;mod6;mircea_popescu: ty :]
1121277;1430852216;mircea_popescu;what fucking "economists" for crying out loud.
1121278;1430852246;mircea_popescu;the only economists qualified to discuss bitcoin are here, and afaik the consensus is "gavin is too dumb to understand how ridiculous he is"
1121279;1430852365;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr, there's more than one way to attack a scamcoin (re: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/05#l1430843591 )
1121280;1430852366;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYHKi3 )
1121281;1430852380;mircea_popescu;shit, what have i started
1121282;1430852480;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't understand this ddos thing. were you renting a vps ?
1121283;1430852488;jurov;yes
1121284;1430852492;mircea_popescu;ah.
1121285;1430852753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154750 @ 0.00023458 = 36.3013 BTC [+] {2} 
1121286;1430853119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148450 @ 0.00023984 = 35.6042 BTC [+] {2} 
1121287;1430853141;ascii_field;192013
1121288;1430853176;ascii_field;120309 (pogo, fired up ~2hr ago, currently ~50% ram used)
1121289;1430853468;williamdunne;jurov: That'd be cool
1121290;1430853835;mod6;!up ascii_field
1121291;1430854271;williamdunne;I think the biggest issue will be physical security
1121292;1430854291;williamdunne;Could do with some way of disabling power when certain triggers happen
1121293;1430854314;ascii_field;wai wat
1121294;1430854314;williamdunne;Which would drop any decrypted stuff hopefully
1121295;1430854326;williamdunne;Jurov's DC idea
1121296;1430854383;jurov;i can't do everything at once, such shenanigans may be added later
1121297;1430854486;williamdunne;Sure, I appreciate that. Still better than most the crap out there
1121298;1430854523;williamdunne;Roughly where in the world are you located? I know its Slovakia/Slovenia, but NESW?
1121299;1430854548;jurov;if you read the logs, mircea supects someone gave the rack a hefty kick, damaging multiple drives in the raid
1121300;1430854560;jurov;what's nesw?
1121301;1430854581;jurov;apparently no data leaked bud rebuild was needed
1121302;1430854602;williamdunne;North East South West
1121303;1430854611;jurov;bratislava, slovakia
1121304;1430854756;williamdunne;Ah, if East could have access to some stuff in Ukraine easily. Can't imagine they would care too much for any bullshit, bigger stuff to deal with
1121305;1430854778;jurov;but i don't know anyone i can trust in ukr
1121306;1430854803;jurov;and ahuling servers throught the border can be pita
1121307;1430854808;jurov;*hauling
1121308;1430854834;trinque;going to need a #b-a undersea base
1121309;1430854849;trinque;or space station
1121310;1430854861;williamdunne;SeaStead
1121311;1430854866;williamdunne;Volcano anyone?
1121312;1430854877;jurov;liberland is actually closer than ukr or sea from here
1121313;1430854925;williamdunne;Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no?
1121314;1430854928;williamdunne;http://robocraftgarage.com/media/build/original/6b11da/abaed388b146946c2f0ec8bc26.png
1121315;1430854931;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKgSRu )
1121316;1430854931;jurov;but then i can prolly drop the servers into danube, either :DDD
1121317;1430855013;jurov;we have our own secret service to raid the dc. and when they do it, they take everyone's stuff :D
1121318;1430855034;williamdunne;Thats clever
1121319;1430855062;williamdunne;And then promptly apply a healthy dosage of thermite to the HDDs
1121320;1430855141;jurov;nice fantasy, but that would make my situation worse
1121321;1430855160;williamdunne;And more expensive
1121322;1430855194;williamdunne;What do you need, and is there anything I can help with. I'll happily speak to a couple of them for you, I've made harder sells before
1121323;1430855206;jurov;couple of whom?
1121324;1430855216;williamdunne;Potential DC people
1121325;1430855236;williamdunne;The ones who previously turned down because of DDoS
1121326;1430855302;BingoBoingo;williamdunne> Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no? << Downside, no credible army makes Liberland easy to annex. Look at how easily Croatia bullies them.
1121327;1430855332;mats;arxiv.org/pdf/1504.05647v1.pdf "A New Covert Channel over Cellular Voice Channel"
1121328;1430855339;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Has Croatia bullied them yet? All I've seen is the border closed which seems sane if its a separate country
1121329;1430855379;jurov;lol. for example https://sk.linkedin.com/in/jbednar is locally recognized linux/libertard activist that has a company (digmia.com) which does some hosting, too
1121330;1430855381;assbot;Juraj Bednar | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKhExV )
1121331;1430855404;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: But closed in which direction? If I recall they blocked people from leaving croatia... May be recalling wrong
1121332;1430855450;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: I think they're not stopping anyone doing anything, just doing passports or summin
1121333;1430855466;jurov;they tried to enter from croatia by road and ford, customs stopped them and barred the road
1121334;1430855485;ascii_field;mats: ripoff of old paper ('11, irrc)
1121335;1430855489;ascii_field;*iirc
1121336;1430855499;jurov;then they tried to float from serbian side of danube , croatian customs detained them, too
1121337;1430855543;mats;ascii_field: do you remember who may have authored it?
1121338;1430855603;ascii_field;mats: not off the top of my head, but idea was same ('speechification' modem for using stock gsm chipsets on arbitrary bits)
1121339;1430855765;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1121340;1430856047;ascii_field;'In the proposed channel, the voice call throughput was entirely occupied in order to convey covert information, and it achieved a throughput of 13 bps...' << l0l lamers
1121341;1430856272;trinque;mod6: what'd that ext error end up being?
1121342;1430856364;ascii_field;williamdunne et al: 'micronations' are interesting right up until you try actually using them for something (e.g., resisting usg dictate) and it gets bulldozed. so, approximately as interesting as a pistol that is guaranteed to explode in your hand.
1121343;1430856399;williamdunne;Seems like it can only work if it gets past a certain point
1121344;1430856406;trinque;what point?
1121345;1430856414;trinque;having its own nukes? lol
1121346;1430856418;mod6;<+trinque> mod6: what'd that ext error end up being? << i needed to add the correct AKI to the AMI created from the Volume Snapshot.
1121347;1430856420;ascii_field;williamdunne, trinque: the point of effective thermonukes + delivery vehicles
1121348;1430856440;mod6;using 'default' just isn't the right thing.
1121349;1430856448;williamdunne;trinque: Pretty much, or at least the point of being something equivalent to Hong Kong
1121350;1430856463;ascii_field;hong kong was tolerated until it wasn't
1121351;1430856468;trinque;williamdunne: doesn't seem like the chinese communists have had any trouble steamrolling hk
1121352;1430856474;ascii_field;this kind of faux sovereignty may be interesting to some folks - but not me.
1121353;1430856478;trinque;to the extent that it is still hk it is at their pleasure
1121354;1430856487;williamdunne;Maybe Singapore is a better comparison
1121355;1430856497;ascii_field;precisely same thing as hk
1121356;1430856505;williamdunne;How so?
1121357;1430856511;ascii_field;no teeth
1121358;1430856523;williamdunne;Don't think they are meant to be outwardly aggressive
1121359;1430856536;trinque;it's protecting against inward agression that's the issue
1121360;1430856553;ascii_field;letting it be known that you will wreck usg is not 'aggressive' except to usg muppet theatre
1121361;1430856629;williamdunne;Seems to be doing well, a lot of growth there and is well off compare to Malaysia,
1121362;1430856632;williamdunne;*compared
1121363;1430856648;ascii_field;ben_vulpes suggests that portland is also doing well
1121364;1430856654;ascii_field;doesn't mean a thing re: sovereignty
1121365;1430856663;ascii_field;somewhere not far from where i stand, a cow in a barn is doing well.
1121366;1430856686;williamdunne;Ok, I see your point
1121367;1430856697;williamdunne;They basically aren't against any US rhetoric
1121368;1430856701;williamdunne;Regardless of reasons behind it
1121369;1430856706;williamdunne;So the US has no need to crush them
1121370;1430856717;ascii_field;if anything, they are more eager to enforce usg dictate than usg proper
1121371;1430856724;ascii_field;(e.g., hanging suspected dope peddlers)
1121372;1430856760;williamdunne;I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if they were, off the top of my head outside of various south American shitholes I can't think of good examples of it
1121373;1430856761;ascii_field;'suiciding' btc exchange folks
1121374;1430856781;williamdunne;Iran maybe
1121375;1430856825;williamdunne;'suiciding' btc exchange folks << eh?
1121376;1430856842;trinque;the only things big enough to meaningfully oppose nato are russia and china
1121377;1430856847;williamdunne;ascii_field: Think the dope one has more to do with Islam
1121378;1430856852;trinque;certainly not some kind of sealand or things of that magnitude
1121379;1430856873;ascii_field;williamdunne: http://rt.com/business/radtke-bitcoin-death-singapore-134 << that one
1121380;1430856874;assbot;Bitcoin CEO found dead in Singapore, suicide suspected — RT Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKjMFK )
1121381;1430856877;trinque;every other political entity is busy playing their relationships with those big three against each other
1121382;1430856886;trinque;williamdunne: like Iran which you bring up
1121383;1430856902;trinque;being able to wreck continents gives you a bit of an advantage
1121384;1430856918;ascii_field;not just 'advantage'
1121385;1430856927;ascii_field;it is the requisite token to even play.
1121386;1430856929;trinque;an understatement for sure
1121387;1430856963;williamdunne;ascii_field: Its not the only exchange in Singapore by far, it probably was a suicide
1121388;1430857003;williamdunne;ascii_field: Somehow I think Liberland will struggle to get even a single Trident sub
1121389;1430857023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141550 @ 0.00022736 = 32.1828 BTC [-]
1121390;1430857073;trinque;I think it's foolish to think of it in terms of that
1121391;1430857086;trinque;like there's gonna be some grand war of liberation
1121392;1430857096;trinque;look at the scientologists... heh
1121393;1430857105;trinque;they worm their way inside the machine
1121394;1430857132;trinque;break it without ever letting it see you
1121395;1430857215;trinque;scientology's tax exempt status is a goddamn hilarious defeat of usg
1121396;1430857222;trinque;they win.
1121397;1430857224;ascii_field;williamdunne: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 << pertinent thread
1121398;1430857224;assbot;Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
1121399;1430857267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239158 @ 0.00022736 = 54.375 BTC [-]
1121400;1430857499;trinque;ascii_field: this is why I favor the idea of a capitalist political party more than some kind of conflict
1121401;1430857539;trinque;International Capitalism!
1121402;1430857542;trinque;imagine that
1121403;1430857618;trinque;!up ascii_field
1121404;1430857653;ascii_field;political party l0l
1121405;1430857665;trinque;ascii_field: worked for the communists
1121406;1430857667;ascii_field;derps will vote for own gassing, yes
1121407;1430857674;trinque;who said anything about voting
1121408;1430857722;trinque;point is they aren't making more dirt
1121409;1430857730;trinque;and the dirt we have is already occupied
1121410;1430857739;ascii_field;recall napoleon's 'can do anything you want with a bayonet but to sit on it' ?
1121411;1430857790;ascii_field;(or was it talleyrand ? )
1121412;1430857835;trinque;ascii_field: I understand the quote to mean that militarism is good for destroying things, not for building a place to sit, eh?
1121413;1430857877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00024175 = 8.5338 BTC [+]
1121414;1430857888;trinque;if a major war between the largest powers breaks out, there wont be much of a place to sit either
1121415;1430857901;ascii_field;trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
1121416;1430857949;trinque;ascii_field: in TX for example I think anti-communism has teeth
1121417;1430857959;trinque;provided the right screaming bastard to articulate it
1121418;1430857994;trinque;TX is culturally already quite hierarchial, if not formally so
1121419;1430858013;trinque;tons of business, and you can grab an average person off the street and get them yelling about socialism in about 5 sentences
1121420;1430858045;trinque;were I in any position to do so, I'd encourage the states to pick fights with the federal govt
1121421;1430858102;ascii_field;trinque: tx imports nothing from rest of usa ?
1121422;1430858102;ascii_field;american 'anti-communism' in all ages was a cartoon idiocy
1121423;1430858114;ascii_field;again, tx is autarkik ?
1121424;1430858135;trinque;ascii_field: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/tx.html
1121425;1430858137;assbot;State Exports from Texas ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLiC20 )
1121426;1430858166;ascii_field;how is it fixed for orc control ?
1121427;1430858323;trinque;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/give-take-small-final.png
1121428;1430858324;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKmHhN )
1121429;1430858327;trinque;ascii_field: orc control how?
1121430;1430858342;thestringpuller;https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-capacity-cliff-586d1bf7715e - "Finally, a brief word about my own background for those who don’t know me. I have spent the last five years implementing Bitcoin wallets, and before that I spent nearly 8 years at Google. Three of those years were spent on the Geo Team (Maps/Earth), where I was a professional capacity planner for one of the world’s busiest websites. Just like now, capacity pl
1121431;1430858344;trinque;but I'd say being in a bad currency is one of the most obvious problems
1121432;1430858360;ascii_field;trinque: this map only counts dollar-denominated payouts from usg to states
1121433;1430858418;ascii_field;(and is it about cash flow to state gov. or to residents at large ? )
1121434;1430858426;mats;i smell merit washing
1121435;1430858483;trinque;mats: that's not something I can even respond to.
1121436;1430858487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2246 @ 0.00127713 = 2.8684 BTC [+] {10} 
1121437;1430858496;trinque;ascii_field: this is the ratio of federal taxes paid vs federal expenditure in the state
1121438;1430858504;trinque;does not count defense contractors and such
1121439;1430858509;trinque;that'd be the next question
1121440;1430858516;ascii_field;thestringpuller: the usg muppets are in high gear, yes
1121441;1430858555;ascii_field;what, srsly, is the next step after this idiocy, 'small blocks kill kittenz!!111!!11'
1121442;1430858590;ascii_field;in other news, pogo blew oom at 129647.
1121443;1430858591;mats;trinque: was referring to thestringpuller's message
1121444;1430858626;trinque;ah my mistake
1121445;1430858648;trinque;ascii_field: http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ << claims 10 federal employees per 1000 in tx
1121446;1430858650;assbot;2015’s States Most & Least Dependent on the Federal Government | WalletHub® ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLjKTf )
1121447;1430858792;trinque;ascii_field | american 'anti-communism' in all ages was a cartoon idiocy << not talking about mccarthy here, but the average TX business owner
1121448;1430858893;ascii_field;trinque: put a red flag and lenin face on it and sure, allergenic; but sell it as 'farm subsidies' and welfare-subsidized min wage slaveforce and it sells just fine
1121449;1430858935;ascii_field;to describe any kingdom where the crown is the largest economic actor in any terms other than socialist, is stark nonsense
1121450;1430858939;ascii_field;branding does not matter here.
1121451;1430858953;trinque;I don't think you're appraised of the cultural setting there.
1121452;1430858970;ascii_field;cultural setting can be anything you like
1121453;1430858977;ascii_field;but the economic reality there - communist.
1121454;1430859015;trinque;on that point there's no disagreement.
1121455;1430859077;trinque;but unless la serenissima intends to blast off for another planet, it's going to have to pick its battles
1121456;1430859112;ascii_field;so far it runs the ancient cn algo of 'sit by the river and wait for your enemy's corpse to float by'
1121457;1430859143;trinque;when the fed falls over, Texas may well secede
1121458;1430859156;trinque;and along the way it wouldn't surprise me for that state to grow ever-more independent of it
1121459;1430859158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82032 @ 0.00023359 = 19.1619 BTC [-]
1121460;1430859175;trinque;there are at least people there who would welcome that
1121461;1430859183;ascii_field;will be absorbed into aztlan in less than decade.
1121462;1430859200;trinque;I don't buy that
1121463;1430859252;ascii_field;where is their demographic vector pointing ?
1121464;1430859356;trinque;for one, texas is more economically powerful than mexico, at least going by bullshit GDP numbers
1121465;1430859374;trinque;as for the ratio of ethnic mexicans there, they're not lazy socialist ticks, that's for sure
1121466;1430859382;trinque;hardest-working people there are
1121467;1430859391;ascii_field;cow is more 'economically powerful' than farmer, sure
1121468;1430859398;ascii_field;hardest-working is not the only metric
1121469;1430859411;ascii_field;there is also 'willing to butcher town at a time to prove point'
1121470;1430859421;ascii_field;so far mexico wins
1121471;1430859504;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1121472;1430859511;ascii_field;the aztlan thing is not about communism. it is about how there is (allegedly) an effective chingis khan operating in mexico
1121473;1430859530;ascii_field;(by some accounts, he is dead. but new one will appear. it is good fertile ground for them.)
1121474;1430859597;trinque;lots of military bases and equipment in TX
1121475;1430859636;trinque;and the cops are used to dealing with well-armed gangs
1121476;1430859652;ascii_field;there was an army, and police, in mexico as well
1121477;1430859662;trinque;maybe in southern california; in TX you don't see much of the waving of Mexican flags
1121478;1430859687;ascii_field;there would not necessarily be a flag - just piles of skulls
1121479;1430859780;trinque;say this fight began
1121480;1430859806;trinque;what do you think the massively wealthy people living in various gated communities in tx would do?
1121481;1430859813;trinque;what the political response might be
1121482;1430859834;trinque;seems like a prime opportunity to demonstrate the failures of "give everyone a vote"
1121483;1430859836;ascii_field;same thing they do now - ignore the reports of poor schmucks getting beheaded, and sit pretty in their forts
1121484;1430859879;trinque;how is this distinct from the kind of privilege often discussed here?
1121485;1430859890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00022888 = 4.5776 BTC [-]
1121486;1430859907;ascii_field;which one
1121487;1430859950;trinque;ascii_field: I observe that there is *already* a privileged class in TX
1121488;1430859957;ascii_field;aha
1121489;1430859989;ascii_field;the fella in the fort doesn't get beheaded, but he will notice that the face that shows up to collect the benjies is a different color, one day, that's all.
1121490;1430860020;ascii_field;and then it asks for 7.62 rounds instead of benjies, at some point.
1121491;1430860092;trinque;ascii_field: if the gangs were a real problem in TX I'd expect the population to support treating it as military action instead of policework
1121492;1430860101;trinque;the cops themselves are already rather terrifying there
1121493;1430860122;trinque;and that's speaking as a white male that never had much trouble with them
1121494;1430860169;trinque;and also the fact that most (and especially the wealthy) are heavily armed there
1121495;1430860185;ascii_field;su police were likewise intimidating. but this did not stop them from turning free agent when central gov. collapsed.
1121496;1430860232;trinque;were there states which were more self-reliant in the SU that fared better in the aftermath?
1121497;1430860236;trinque;I am unfamiliar.
1121498;1430860243;ascii_field;depends on your notion of 'better'
1121499;1430860285;ascii_field;none were both nutritionally and industrially self-contained
1121500;1430860438;trinque;ascii_field: the prevailing politics there pre-collapse wouldn't help, I'd think
1121501;1430860487;trinque;I'd like to find numbers on the agricultural situation in TX, but I know there's quite a bit of it
1121502;1430860517;trinque;also re: Mexico their cashflow relies on USAians buying drugs, neh?
1121503;1430860547;trinque;at least the power structure I understand you to be referring to
1121504;1430860588;trinque;this could all very well be my own inability to imagine how collapse occurs.
1121505;1430860614;trinque;still I think there's a lot culturally and economically in tx that's valuable
1121506;1430860619;lobbes;looks like Texas gets around 102 $billion from Mexico via exports
1121507;1430860620;lobbes;https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/tx.html
1121508;1430860622;assbot;State Exports from Texas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOHjrw )
1121509;1430860622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94630 @ 0.00022325 = 21.1261 BTC [-] {2} 
1121510;1430860683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35570 @ 0.00021959 = 7.8108 BTC [-] {2} 
1121511;1430860897;lobbes;not sure how you'd measure black market economic activity, but this article claims 25% of Mexican GDP is such:
1121512;1430860899;lobbes;http://www.worldcrunch.com/business-finance/the-threat-of-mexico-039-s-massive-undergound-economy/shadow-economy-gdp-black-market-employment-benefits-taxes/c2s16698/#.VUkz95O0K20
1121513;1430860900;assbot;The Threat Of Mexico's Massive Undergound Economy  ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOHGlP )
1121514;1430860924;lobbes;but, 'GDP' is dubious enough as is as a metric
1121515;1430861053;ascii_field;http://milianw.de/blog/heaptrack-a-heap-memory-profiler-for-linux << ben_vulpes, mod6, et al
1121516;1430861054;assbot;Heaptrack - A Heap Memory Profiler for Linux | Milian Wolff ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOHOle )
1121517;1430861058;ascii_field;anyone tried ?
1121518;1430861197;ascii_field;(it refuses to build on any of my boxes)
1121519;1430861316;ascii_field;later tonight i might do a valgrind with 'massif' with --pages-as-heap=yes
1121520;1430861371;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1121521;1430861379;ascii_field;http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/ms-manual.html#ms-manual.not-measured << it
1121522;1430861380;assbot;Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKrjo5 )
1121523;1430861433;ascii_field;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu et al ^^
1121524;1430861687;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121302 << everyone in slovakia is in bratislava.
1121525;1430861687;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 19:36:42; williamdunne: North East South West
1121526;1430861696;mircea_popescu;seeing how the entire country is roughly the size of the town's suburbs
1121527;1430861832;jurov;notrly, there are other 2 million in the far end
1121528;1430861902;jurov;but it's chumps everywhere
1121529;1430861993;jurov;corruption scandal related to most expensive highways/km worldwide? but we're playing hockey now and must have a new national stadium built!
1121530;1430862035;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure romania has the most expensive highway km
1121531;1430862046;ascii_field;not usa?!
1121532;1430862099;mircea_popescu;usa hasn't built a highway since 1985
1121533;1430862113;jurov;it's at least 18m eur/kilometer
1121534;1430862142;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Ohio-Serbia01.jpg << check it out, the tram conductors' corps
1121535;1430862144;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsnbq )
1121536;1430862146;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://texas.construction.com/projects/0506_TC_Top10hwy.pdf
1121537;1430862152;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsnbD )
1121538;1430862156;trinque;I'll convince you all that TX is the future break-away state yet.
1121539;1430862185;mircea_popescu;http://www.antena3.ro/economic/auto/cum-arata-cea-mai-scumpa-autostrada-din-lume-9-miliarde-de-dolari-pentru-40-de-kilometri-277914.html << there. 9bn for 40 kms. BIOTCH.
1121540;1430862187;assbot;Cum arată cea mai SCUMPĂ autostradă din lume. 9 MILIARDE de dolari pentru 40 de kilometri ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsrIo )
1121541;1430862217;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: (by some accounts, he is dead. but new one will appear. it is good fertile ground for them.) << Several, appear to operate on clear iterative succession.
1121542;1430862226;lobbes;usa hasn't built a highway since 1985 <<  maintenance surely a money-pit though?
1121543;1430862240;mircea_popescu;lobbes inasmuch as anything's still maintained (kinda spotty, this)
1121544;1430862255;lobbes;true
1121545;1430862331;jurov;ah we're doing maximal price, you beat me. they managed 75 km for 9mld.
1121546;1430862332;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: we have ~4BN for a 40km road (maryland 200) here
1121547;1430862343;mircea_popescu;can't beat teh russians.
1121548;1430862343;ascii_field;nm, 28km
1121549;1430862353;mircea_popescu;still not good enough!!1 :D
1121550;1430862354;ascii_field;4bn usd for 28km.
1121551;1430862355;ascii_field;usa
1121552;1430862362;mircea_popescu;9bn for 40km. soci.
1121553;1430862367;ascii_field;mega-road.
1121554;1430862484;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transport_megaprojects << gotta love the navelgazingikia.
1121555;1430862486;assbot;List of transport megaprojects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKsPGV )
1121556;1430862612;BingoBoingo;Illinois constantly tears up perfectly smooth rural highways for repaving with proper asphalt, the Missouri legislature debates letting their rural highways (the letter ones) revert from crude tarmac to plain macadam
1121557;1430862678;BingoBoingo;Federalism leads to some discrepancies between bezzel projects across state lines
1121558;1430862680;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121313 << a dc where dude ?
1121559;1430862680;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 19:42:05; williamdunne: Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no?
1121560;1430862688;mircea_popescu;you can't build a dc atop a limb of danube silt.
1121561;1430862705;mircea_popescu;you can't actually even build a mall.
1121562;1430862765;williamdunne;When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
1121563;1430862813;mircea_popescu;the lad also has to marry the daughter of the largest tracts of open pigfarms in all england.
1121564;1430862880;williamdunne;Thats fine, he can just take a mistress
1121565;1430862892;williamdunne;I'm sure there would be a queer guard somewhere in the armoury
1121566;1430862909;williamdunne;What is the male equivalent of a mistress?
1121567;1430862932;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Locally they are building a new hospital with Obamacare bezzel in the epicenter of mine subsidence (building rules prohitbit houses with basements in the middle of tornado county the issue is so prevalent)
1121568;1430862974;mircea_popescu;marrying http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121342 to http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
1121569;1430862974;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:06:04; ascii_field: williamdunne et al: 'micronations' are interesting right up until you try actually using them for something (e.g., resisting usg dictate) and it gets bulldozed. so, approximately as interesting as a pistol that is guaranteed to explode in your hand.
1121570;1430862974;assbot;The problem of enforcement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZa7N3 )
1121571;1430862974;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: A mister
1121572;1430862989;williamdunne;They can just tax some more to build the three following hospitals
1121573;1430863006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00022712 = 9.028 BTC [+]
1121574;1430863024;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's the logic there ? why no basements ?
1121575;1430863029;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Well private hosptial, but it is great at milking medicaid for its part of the building
1121576;1430863086;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Many of the mines are shallow enough that it's possible to dig into some supports and trigger some collapsing
1121577;1430863118;mircea_popescu;oh, wait, you people built houses on top of an abandoned minefield ?
1121578;1430863125;BingoBoingo;All the time
1121579;1430863131;ascii_field;mine, as in coal
1121580;1430863145;mircea_popescu;why the fuck ? not enough land in the usa ?
1121581;1430863205;BingoBoingo;Nah, towns that burnt the coal got full so where the mines were become "subdivisions" with the vinyl siding and roads that occasionally crack and shift
1121582;1430863206;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121371 << that's in no way related to usg. they have hanging dope peddlers forever, with a brief interruption while britain bullied them into stopping it because it had no other trade goods available.
1121583;1430863206;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:12:04; ascii_field: (e.g., hanging suspected dope peddlers)
1121584;1430863286;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1121585;1430863305;BingoBoingo;;;google belleville 15 mine subsidence
1121586;1430863307;gribble;Planned Coal Mine Subsidence in Illinois: A Public Information Booklet: <http://isgs.illinois.edu/sites/isgs/files/files/c573.pdf>; Mine Subsidence - St. Clair County: <http://www.co.st-clair.il.us/departments/mapping/Pages/mines.aspx>; Mine collapse damages several homes - KSDK.com: <http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/illinois/2015/04/09/mine-collapse-damages-several- (1 more message)
1121587;1430863340;BingoBoingo;;;google mine "illinois 15"
1121588;1430863341;gribble;List of History of Illinois Coal Mine Disasters: <http://www.hinton-gen.com/coal/disasters.html>; Coal Mines of Franklin County, Illinois: <http://hinton-gen.com/coal/franklin_mines.html>; Coal and Coal Mining - Gillespie, Illinois: <http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/mining.html>
1121589;1430863343;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121379 << dude srsly... wtf is "first meta". no woman got killed by lizard hitler because of words she wrote on her blog. whatever the pretense they were purporting to put forth, "bitcoin exchange", "intercepting cia with her dentures", etc.
1121590;1430863343;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:14:33; ascii_field: williamdunne: http://rt.com/business/radtke-bitcoin-death-singapore-134 << that one
1121591;1430863372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00022888 = 3.8566 BTC [+]
1121592;1430863375;BingoBoingo;;;google st elezabeth ofallon
1121593;1430863376;gribble;O'Fallon Medical Building - St. Eliz - St. Elizabeth's Hospital: <http://www.steliz.org/services/ofallon-medical-building/>; Welcome to HSHS St. Elizabeth's Hospital - St. Eliz: <http://www.steliz.org/>; St. Elizabeth's to move new hospital to O'Fallon, Ill.; Belleville mayor ...: <http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/st-elizabeth-s-to-move-new-hospital-to-o-fallon (1 more message)
1121594;1430863379;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Currently it allows you to trade dollars for linden dollars
1121595;1430863387;mircea_popescu;yaya.
1121596;1430863439;BingoBoingo;A bit further north http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/illinois-district-replacing-elementary-school-ruined-by-collapsing-mine/article_ef5a27fa-df51-5c36-b52c-eaf53b1b905a.html
1121597;1430863468;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121404 << ftr he's readiong between the lines correctly.
1121598;1430863468;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:27:33; ascii_field: political party l0l
1121599;1430863494;mircea_popescu;im not making a different country. i'm making THESE countries. let the reds make "their own country", on fucking mars preferably.
1121600;1430863516;trinque;we're not making more dirt.
1121601;1430863563;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121415 << this is by no means either well studied or soundly proven.
1121602;1430863563;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:31:41; ascii_field: trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
1121603;1430863597;*;ascii_field does not assert this hypothesis as hard fact. but bets on it
1121604;1430863611;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121421 << us imports everything through tx, ca and ny. mostly tx.
1121605;1430863611;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:35:02; ascii_field: trinque: tx imports nothing from rest of usa ?
1121606;1430863698;mircea_popescu;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/give-take-small-final.png << lol at the 0.30 of delaware.
1121607;1430863699;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZbKKL )
1121608;1430863827;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121441 << i am very much amused at the late game, desperate attempts of the tools to play up their imaginary qualifications and generally certificatorily merit wash.
1121609;1430863827;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:42:35; ascii_field: what, srsly, is the next step after this idiocy, 'small blocks kill kittenz!!111!!11'
1121610;1430863846;mircea_popescu;seriously, mike hearn isn't the slimy fucktard we all know ? he's some sort of google expert now ? allow me to lulz for a spell.
1121611;1430863882;ascii_field;expect him to wipe his arse with 7 ph.d. diplomas before this is over.
1121612;1430863892;ascii_field;and five 'nobels.'
1121613;1430863907;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_hearn suppose you chill it with the pretense of my-google-job-is-my-social-proof so the huge pile of embarassing emails etc won't have to be leaked. google's been embarassed enough this year already.
1121614;1430863907;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1121615;1430863931;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you play bridge any ?
1121616;1430863943;ascii_field;nope
1121617;1430863952;ascii_field;once learned how, but not enough people.
1121618;1430863963;mircea_popescu;okay. but you know what finessing is right ?
1121619;1430863968;ascii_field;that deck o'cards (inherited from brother) did play a lot of it.
1121620;1430863970;ascii_field;back in the stone age.
1121621;1430863973;ascii_field;aha
1121622;1430864003;mircea_popescu;myeah. so teh usg has all these minor muppets it keeps trying to use in that manner. get the majors out so they can finally play
1121623;1430864012;mircea_popescu;except unlike bridge, irl does not have discrete mandatory tricks.
1121624;1430864042;ascii_field;this is a kind of professional disease of agent masters, yes
1121625;1430864047;mircea_popescu;and honestly i don't suspect the entire array actually contains one head apt enough to fucking finesse me. what is this, the future ?!
1121626;1430864110;ascii_field;meanwhile...
1121627;1430864111;ascii_field;200005.
1121628;1430864409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102000 @ 0.00022888 = 23.3458 BTC [+]
1121629;1430864544;pete_dushenski;whoa, sec makes us companies report on 'climate change.' why not make them report what they ate for lunch ?
1121630;1430864644;pete_dushenski;so says, David Pogue, Global Director of Corporate Responsibility, CBRE
1121631;1430864653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 384430 @ 0.00021999 = 84.5708 BTC [-] {4} 
1121632;1430864657;pete_dushenski;for what that's worth
1121633;1430864765;mircea_popescu;www.ceres.org/files/investor-files/sec-guidance-fact-sheet
1121634;1430864924;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121448  << not that fine in texas.
1121635;1430864924;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:48:13; ascii_field: trinque: put a red flag and lenin face on it and sure, allergenic; but sell it as 'farm subsidies' and welfare-subsidized min wage slaveforce and it sells just fine
1121636;1430864983;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121456 << believe it or not there are people for whom this actually works.
1121637;1430864983;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: so far it runs the ancient cn algo of 'sit by the river and wait for your enemy's corpse to float by'
1121638;1430865040;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121476 << not really.
1121639;1430865040;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 21:00:52; ascii_field: there was an army, and police, in mexico as well
1121640;1430865045;mircea_popescu;when, this ?
1121641;1430865051;mircea_popescu;!up wpalczynski
1121642;1430865166;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121495 << this is not actually true, ftr. the police itself never turned free agent ; the army afaik didn't in ru (it did in ro, but diff story there). individuals, of course. but individuals are individuals.
1121643;1430865166;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 21:09:45; ascii_field: su police were likewise intimidating. but this did not stop them from turning free agent when central gov. collapsed.
1121644;1430865202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00021201 = 4.2402 BTC [-]
1121645;1430865252;Adlai;does the egyptian army count as "free agent"?
1121646;1430865255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121499 << finland, romania, poland, germany, bohemia, yugoslavia even.
1121647;1430865255;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 21:11:25; ascii_field: none were both nutritionally and industrially self-contained
1121648;1430865280;mircea_popescu;Adlai i would say egypt is copying the turkish style to a decent degree. turkey is afaik the only stable situation with a free agent army.
1121649;1430865311;mircea_popescu;problem is for all the linguistic and (ancient) cultural differences, misr is still stuck in the islam pit.
1121650;1430865351;*;Adlai didn't follow the egyptian 'spring' too closely, but it seemed to be a general process of the army becoming a free agent, and the public not disliking that sufficiently for another revolt (or not having a second army handy to oust the first)
1121651;1430865384;mircea_popescu;was free agent b4. current fossil replaced previous (anwar saddat) at a military parade.
1121652;1430865557;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121502 << you have to understand something essential about drugs : they aren't products. this in the sense that their flux isn't pull, it's push (which is why the sellers are called pushers). so no, the mexican economy does not rely on others buying drugs anymore than britain's economy relied on chinese buying opium.
1121653;1430865557;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 21:15:17; trinque: also re: Mexico their cashflow relies on USAians buying drugs, neh?
1121654;1430865571;mircea_popescu;the others' abjection is enforced by the forcing of drugs upon them. exactly backwards from commerce.
1121655;1430865592;mircea_popescu;pimp doesn't "sell" meth to the crack whore.
1121656;1430865601;trinque;that makes sense
1121657;1430865605;mircea_popescu;pimp fleeces crack whore with the meth.
1121658;1430865606;scoopbot_revived;News! The Chinese blackbox. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/05/the-chinese-blackbox/
1121659;1430865623;pete_dushenski;it worx!
1121660;1430865634;pete_dushenski;unban me plz
1121661;1430865784;mircea_popescu;lol
1121662;1430865885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform masif is a worthy move. never used the other thing, no.
1121663;1430865957;mircea_popescu;mod6 incidentally, a count of memory allocation of the entire codebase by function would be another worthy goal. just how much mmap, mremap, brk etc does it do.
1121664;1430866188;mod6;agreed, so noted.
1121665;1430866200;BingoBoingo;So yardwork story from today. This year we've had a bumper crop of what I though were bumblebees move it, turns out they are carpenter bees. Rather harmless things I'm trimming trees the squirrels planted in the flower beds and the big bees are just buzzing around pollinating the shit out of the columbine... Yellowjacket wasp gets the jump on one of the bees near me and as I retreat because fuck yellow jackets, all of the carpente
1121666;1430866200;BingoBoingo;r bees start raping the shit out of the yellow jacket.
1121667;1430866242;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lmao dat first line. SO SURREALIST.
1121668;1430866271;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1121669;1430866276;BingoBoingo;So surreal
1121670;1430866290;BingoBoingo;Bodyguard bees.
1121671;1430866341;Adlai;what is bee shit, and how does it get raped? stinging?
1121672;1430866357;Adlai;actually the pertinent shit is that of the jacket
1121673;1430866357;mircea_popescu;metaphors are metaphorical.
1121674;1430866366;Adlai;the pertinent question is "stinging?"
1121675;1430866426;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Well the stinger is part of their reproductive organ, so stinging==rape
1121676;1430866440;BingoBoingo;;;google yellowjacket
1121677;1430866441;gribble;Yellowjackets Online: Welcome To The Official Yellowjackets Website!: <http://yellowjackets.com/>; Yellowjacket (Marvel Comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowjacket_(Marvel_Comics)>; Yellow jacket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_jacket>
1121678;1430866455;BingoBoingo;;;google yellowjacket wasp
1121679;1430866456;gribble;Yellow jacket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_jacket>; How to Kill Get Rid Yellow Jacket Nest | Yellow Jacket Control: <http://www.doyourownpestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm>; What is a Wasp-Hornet-Yellowjacket-Bee? - Colorado State University: <http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/CoopExt/4DMG/Pests/whatis.htm>
1121680;1430866469;*;Adlai is wondering about the effectiveness of thwacking the stinger against the arthropod exoskeleton
1121681;1430866499;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Yellowjackets look like mircea_popescu's familiar european wasp, but sting with greater effect
1121682;1430866502;Adlai;not sure what else bees can do, though... suffocate it with honey?
1121683;1430866524;mircea_popescu;the common polen wasp as found in yurp doesn't really sting worth a shit.
1121684;1430866533;*;Adlai is familiar with the yellowjacket, it was the first insect to ever attack him
1121685;1430866546;Adlai;(within surviving memory)
1121686;1430866586;mircea_popescu;Adlai a friend living in texas at a time was covered by fire ants as an infant, during a brief break in parental care.
1121687;1430866595;trinque;ouch
1121688;1430866596;Adlai;re:drugs, one of my stoner friends has a theory that the real fleecers are the plants
1121689;1430866613;mircea_popescu;imgine, leave your toddler in its thing out by the apple tree, come back with some pie, ants dragging it away
1121690;1430866636;mircea_popescu;"we found a worm! hey everyone! big juicy worm right here!"
1121691;1430866638;Adlai;ie, genus Cannabis, like genus Triticum before it, has domesticated the monkeys
1121692;1430866655;mircea_popescu;Adlai on what (other than ganja) is this theory predicated ?
1121693;1430866703;Adlai;the fact that humans, upon discovering any naturally occurring psychoactive, generally attempt to ensure its survival
1121694;1430866720;Adlai;a notable exception to this being peyote, which has been almost driven extinct
1121695;1430866730;mircea_popescu;grain did a lot better by this metric.
1121696;1430866770;BingoBoingo;One of the carpenter bees on some Columbine http://imgur.com/EllagIW
1121697;1430866771;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PneaSB )
1121698;1430866780;Adlai;yet peyote survives in private gardens, as does cannabis, and psilocybe, and claviceps, and...
1121699;1430866822;jurov;if some psychoactives were eradicated, how would you know?
1121700;1430866870;Adlai;if some trees fell silently, how would you know?
1121701;1430866979;Adlai;oh, not to mention coca and poppies! but in the case of meth, that really is just a case of one person fucking another
1121702;1430867052;Adlai;the pimp best at this is young kim
1121703;1430867236;BingoBoingo;Adlai: Peyote is kind of a victim of its native environment
1121704;1430867578;mircea_popescu;Adlai and lice, crabs, threadworms, bad clothing, warm beer, nose hairs, dresses in unflattering colors, lanky adolescent girls and cavities.
1121705;1430867580;mircea_popescu;ya know ?
1121706;1430867606;Adlai;not quite
1121707;1430867653;cazalla;BingoBoingo, do you eat that columbine plant?
1121708;1430867664;mircea_popescu;(by the way, oxyuriasis is one of the major risks of rimming)
1121709;1430867724;Adlai;some "symbiotic" relationships are downright parasitic; others are less so
1121710;1430867865;BingoBoingo;cazalla: The columbine are totally poisonpus
1121711;1430867914;cazalla;BingoBoingo, so wikipedia would've got me killed for eating the leaves eh lol
1121712;1430867972;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Leaves might not be bad. The stuff bacically crowds a flowerbed like a weed, but looks pretty so it gets to live
1121713;1430868001;BingoBoingo;I dunno if the whole plant is poisonous, but enough parts are to leave it to the bees
1121714;1430868746;BingoBoingo;!up teek
1121715;1430868752;BingoBoingo;!up WolfGoethe
1121716;1430868759;BingoBoingo;!up t4nk
1121717;1430868896;ben_vulpes;<BingoBoingo> williamdunne: A mister << nice one, mister
1121718;1430869119;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/give-take-small-final.png << lol at the 0.30 of delaware. << oregon has a good ticket on the bezzletrain. and i'd wager with the new governor, will procure ever more for favored classes.
1121719;1430869121;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKB5GG )
1121720;1430869129;ben_vulpes;(also, heya holtzy!)
1121721;1430869221;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he'd better, because the only way that thing can exist is via subsidies. like the student dorm
1121722;1430869246;ben_vulpes;ooooooh do i have some lulz for YOU
1121723;1430869255;mircea_popescu;we take lulz today/
1121724;1430869263;*;asciilifeform raises periscope
1121725;1430869272;ben_vulpes;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Brown << new guber
1121726;1430869273;assbot;Kate Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKBdGh )
1121727;1430869334;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so what about it ?
1121728;1430869414;ben_vulpes;familiar with the john kitzhaber story?
1121729;1430869463;ben_vulpes;http://www.wweek.com/portland/tag-0-2-John+Kitzhaber.html << some stuff
1121730;1430869465;assbot;Contents relevant to "John Kitzhaber" ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW0PPS )
1121731;1430869481;*;asciilifeform fired up valgrind-massif with --pages-as-heap=yes
1121732;1430869509;ben_vulpes;http://www.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2015/02/12/the-john-kitzhaber-and-cylvia-hayes-scandal-a-handy-primer << some shorthand
1121733;1430869514;assbot;The John Kitzhaber and Cylvia Hayes Scandal: A Handy Primer | Blogtown, PDX | Portland Mercury ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW0Xia )
1121734;1430869540;ben_vulpes;guy got in bed with a girl
1121735;1430869553;ben_vulpes;girl took him for a few tens of ks or hundreds, depending on how one looks at it
1121736;1430869562;ben_vulpes;leveraged herself into a "first lady of oregon" type situation
1121737;1430869572;ben_vulpes;(not even married, lolariously)
1121738;1430869575;mircea_popescu;what part of this is the scandal ?
1121739;1430869580;danielpbarron;Brown is the state's second female governor, after Barbara Roberts, as well as the first openly bisexual governor in US history.
1121740;1430869584;ben_vulpes;y'know i've yet to figure that out myself
1121741;1430869645;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, so dude has a girlfriend.
1121742;1430869655;ben_vulpes;the funny part is how bent people got
1121743;1430869723;mircea_popescu;does nobody in oregon have a gf ?
1121744;1430869743;ben_vulpes;the kind that work, pay for themselves, refuse to suck cock - sure
1121745;1430869748;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
1121746;1430869749;assbot;George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW1hgM )
1121747;1430869843;mircea_popescu;if only it were the case that people are lazy and stupid because lizard hitler.
1121748;1430869852;BingoBoingo;!up jonvaage
1121749;1430869853;mircea_popescu;yo t4nk fix that connection before you end up on a ban list.
1121750;1430869875;BingoBoingo;!up t4nk
1121751;1430869899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 280300 @ 0.00020858 = 58.465 BTC [-] {2} 
1121752;1430869903;BingoBoingo;Ah Oregon, the success story founded by the Klan
1121753;1430870093;ben_vulpes;ethnic homogeneity is a heckuva legacy
1121754;1430870119;BingoBoingo;Well, its true.
1121755;1430870195;ben_vulpes;don't i know it!
1121756;1430870197;ben_vulpes;and live it
1121757;1430870250;BingoBoingo;I've seen the legacy sprinkeled about around here, but nothing on the scale you got going on
1121758;1430870294;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121663 << as far as i can tell, the db isn't fully synchronous...
1121759;1430870294;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 22:45:57; mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, a count of memory allocation of the entire codebase by function would be another worthy goal. just how much mmap, mremap, brk etc does it do.
1121760;1430870310;ben_vulpes;mod6, trinque, asciilifeform, anyone else interested in the "what happens in der clord": http://slides.com/technolo-g/intro-to-unikernels-and-erlang-on-xen-ling-demo
1121761;1430870311;assbot;Look ma, no OS! Deploying an Erlang/OTP application as a LING unikernel in EC2 by Matt Bajor ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKCwoD )
1121762;1430870326;trinque;interesante
1121763;1430870332;jonvaage;How much good does homogeneity help if the predominant culture is fucked?
1121764;1430870363;*;asciilifeform enjoyed the original erlang book, but did not enjoy attempting to write in it
1121765;1430870394;asciilifeform;('concurrent prog. in erlang', armstrong 1996)
1121766;1430870395;ben_vulpes;jonvaage: and how'd you know anything about culture around here?
1121767;1430870396;jurov;!down ben_vulpes
1121768;1430870406;jurov;these slides are useless
1121769;1430870416;ben_vulpes;go on, jurov
1121770;1430870427;ben_vulpes;maybe to *you*
1121771;1430870427;jurov;nope. my eyes hurt
1121772;1430870449;ben_vulpes;but i don't actually know how modern virtualization even works, so...decent content.
1121773;1430870455;ben_vulpes;diddle the stylesheet yourself! sheesh.
1121774;1430870469;BingoBoingo;I'm with jurov, I don't see no slides at all.
1121775;1430870474;trinque;yer js is off
1121776;1430870479;asciilifeform;just when no one imagined slide could be more of a torment...
1121777;1430870481;asciilifeform;2d slide decks.
1121778;1430870491;trinque;lol teh kvetching
1121779;1430870492;jurov;you really can't find anything that does't need 20 times clicking throught "But really?"
1121780;1430870501;ben_vulpes;clicking?
1121781;1430870508;ben_vulpes;are your arrow keys broken?
1121782;1430870509;BingoBoingo;jonvaage: Not much at all.
1121783;1430870516;asciilifeform;also we did 'rump kernel' here
1121784;1430870518;asciilifeform;!s rump kernel
1121785;1430870520;assbot;0 results for 'rump kernel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rump+kernel
1121786;1430870520;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/jonathanvaage << jonvaage is this you?
1121787;1430870522;assbot;Jonathan Vaage (@JonathanVaage) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW2xRd )
1121788;1430870523;asciilifeform;scam
1121789;1430870538;asciilifeform;it doesn't 'remove os' but replaces linux with a bizarre academiturd
1121790;1430870551;jurov;i never used arrow keys in a browser
1121791;1430870570;asciilifeform;and 'virtualized drivers' are just passing the real os buck to the virtualizer
1121792;1430870574;asciilifeform;which somehow 'doesn't count' aha
1121793;1430870579;asciilifeform;what a crock'o'shit
1121794;1430870595;asciilifeform;this is a prime example of mircea_popescu's 'death by meta'
1121795;1430870598;jonvaage;Yessir
1121796;1430870628;asciilifeform;the extra insult is in the fact that the thing that these derps pretend to do, in fact direly needs doing
1121797;1430870644;asciilifeform;and the idiotic scam helps to discourage the few folks who might yet do it.
1121798;1430870648;ben_vulpes;that thing being running without an os?
1121799;1430870649;jurov;can't learn to chroot stuff properly, instead keep throwing virtualized turds around
1121800;1430870653;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha
1121801;1430870672;ben_vulpes;academiturd << would be?
1121802;1430870674;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: more broadly, the removal of complexity layers
1121803;1430870705;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://rumpkernel.org << see for yourself.
1121804;1430870706;assbot;Rump Kernels ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKD3ah )
1121805;1430870715;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> academiturd << would be? << Minix 3 et al
1121806;1430870729;BingoBoingo;Plan9, etc
1121807;1430870739;jonvaage;ben_vulpes: My question homogeneity is not a feigned slight at any particular culture but a question on the inherent virtue of homogeneity alone.
1121808;1430870750;asciilifeform;the whole 'microkernel' thing is a '80s u.s. academitardation that never seems to go to rest in its grave
1121809;1430870769;asciilifeform;one of 1,001 flavours of lipstick folks attempted to make the unix pig fuckable with.
1121810;1430870771;ben_vulpes;jonvaage: you'd not eat salt for dinner, would you?
1121811;1430870845;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you hold this attitude about rump as well?
1121812;1430870849;asciilifeform;aha
1121813;1430870903;ben_vulpes;aw, did the twitter guy leave?
1121814;1430870917;ben_vulpes;i gather the friendly micro-dos is back
1121815;1430870920;asciilifeform;it'd have some appeal if the net result was something like 1) 100x fewer lines of code 2) written by wot man in good standing
1121816;1430870923;BingoBoingo;homogentity is great when you are talking about a fleet of taxis, poor if you are talking about your food supply post nuclear war
1121817;1430870941;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Seems to be a member of the poor connections party
1121818;1430870946;asciilifeform;but what i see is the complexity buck being passed
1121819;1430870951;asciilifeform;to 'xen' etc.
1121820;1430870961;asciilifeform;this - needs to die, in a fire.
1121821;1430870988;asciilifeform;the pretentious derps, just think of it.
1121822;1430870996;asciilifeform;imagine themselves 'os devs'
1121823;1430871019;ben_vulpes;something like that.
1121824;1430871027;*;ben_vulpes off to tequila with birthday staff
1121825;1430871087;*;BingoBoingo starting to consider potential replacement laptops, bitcoind having outgrown being a feasible background process fulltime on this machine.
1121826;1430871227;jurov;give it extra hdd
1121827;1430871305;jurov;er..i mean, its own
1121828;1430871319;mod6;lol. im like o.0
1121829;1430871334;mod6;<+asciilifeform> 2d slide decks. << that
1121830;1430871355;mod6;heheh, "what 5 slides??"
1121831;1430871365;BingoBoingo;jurov: It's the CPU's ability to shed heat that's the limiting factor.
1121832;1430871414;trinque;mod6: I question the geometry of this cube my head's apparently in
1121833;1430871440;trinque;reminds me of the shitty desktop switchers that everyone had an orgasm over when compiz became a thing
1121834;1430871457;mod6;heheh
1121835;1430871472;asciilifeform;the 2d slide deck is like a retarded kid, who others have learned to ignore, and somewhere he found a loudspeaker 'so they can't ignore any longer1111!!!11'
1121836;1430871486;asciilifeform;this needs to be burned out, with hot irons.
1121837;1430871488;mod6;haha
1121838;1430871492;BingoBoingo;I'm either going to to have to move this machines fan replacement schedule from every ~18 months to 6, stop taking this machine out in the garage to smoke with me, rent a machine to use as an electrum server, or find a beefier machine
1121839;1430871661;jurov;*BingoBoingo descends to a damsel in distress
1121840;1430871696;williamdunne;Electrum server is probably a good option
1121841;1430871703;williamdunne;You can stick it up on some cheap VPS
1121842;1430871712;williamdunne;Not like they can steal your keys
1121843;1430871713;BingoBoingo;jurov: Not distress, just vexation since I've had to resort to supplementing with an external fan way too early in this machine's lifecycle
1121844;1430871756;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: but they can steal knowledge of which keys are mine
1121845;1430871804;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Also I worked so hard to chop together a kind of Bitcoin that works on OpenBSD
1121846;1430871868;jurov;or you can sprinkle sleep(1) calls in the ecdsa code
1121847;1430871892;mircea_popescu;fixed sleep doesnt help so much.
1121848;1430871921;jurov;oh, you tried?
1121849;1430871969;BingoBoingo;It throttles down alright, just baseline sync'd Bitcoin cpu consumption on this machine is higher than it is for 720p video
1121850;1430872026;BingoBoingo;Then again that could just be good video drivers
1121851;1430872231;scoopbot_revived;News! Ripple Labs Fined for Violating Bank Secrecy Act URL: http://qntra.net/2015/05/ripple-labs-fined-for-violating-bank-secrecy-act/
1121852;1430872586;*;BingoBoingo comparing the comparative merits of the thinkpad X201s and X220
1121853;1430873073;mircea_popescu;jurov not something that is established experimentally, either
1121854;1430873132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 322700 @ 0.00019525 = 63.0072 BTC [-] {2} 
1121855;1430873146;mircea_popescu;so wait, the violation of "bank secrecy act" consists of having kept banking secrets ?
1121856;1430873150;mircea_popescu;gotta love minitruth :D
1121857;1430873203;mircea_popescu;but whatever, horowitz can pay. they can push back and forth the same million in qe, taxes, fines, donations, govt contracting and whatever until they fall over. every 1000 times they do it, the "gdp" goes up by 0.0001% or w/e
1121858;1430873288;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121763 << how much does structural integrity help if the plane's headed to its crash site ?
1121859;1430873288;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 23:58:52; jonvaage: How much good does homogeneity help if the predominant culture is fucked?
1121860;1430873311;mircea_popescu;depends. if you regain control, a lot. if you don't, itdoesn't make a difference anyway. a bagful of dandelion fluff is never going to make an airplane anyway
1121861;1430873458;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121797 << i've never seen worthy folks as easily discouraged as these imaginary ones of yours. what's next, dildos discourage men from fucking women, because they behold them rubbing on the dongs and get all flaccid ?
1121862;1430873458;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 00:04:04; asciilifeform: and the idiotic scam helps to discourage the few folks who might yet do it.
1121863;1430873475;mircea_popescu;in a functioning sexconomy, bad surogates on display are arousing not depressing.
1121864;1430873508;thestringpuller; /wind 7
1121865;1430873515;thestringpuller;:(
1121866;1430873560;*;williamdunne doesn't understand how homegenity of any particular racial group can be useful, when most cultural traits are specific to individuals regardless of racial group. 
1121867;1430873576;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121821 << shuttup you hater you. i drive cabs around ba all the time! and i also cooked a steak and made myself coffee today.
1121868;1430873576;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 00:09:48; asciilifeform: the pretentious derps, just think of it.
1121869;1430873597;mircea_popescu;williamdunne less time wasted identifying the idiots, which need to be oppressed ?
1121870;1430873634;williamdunne;How can you do that with a racial group though? I think this group testifies to that as we're from all over
1121871;1430873650;williamdunne;The only real common trait is male
1121872;1430873652;mircea_popescu;that's kinda what happens with racial stereotypes. if you grow up among white people, you immediately recognize white trash. black people don't register properly in this scheme, so your mental heuristic (correctly) just assigns the trash bit to all of them.
1121873;1430873660;mircea_popescu;and if they don't like it, let them look more like upstanding white folk.
1121874;1430873720;mircea_popescu;obviously all this is pointless once we have internets and wots and so on. but for a long time before now...
1121875;1430873723;mircea_popescu;it was the only way.
1121876;1430873752;williamdunne;So, just to be clear. The difference is you can tell who shitty white people are, but you can't tell who shitty black people are?
1121877;1430873788;mircea_popescu;well, the "you" of the example.
1121878;1430873811;mircea_popescu;heck, most monocultural folk can't even DISTINGUISH people of other races.
1121879;1430873866;williamdunne;Can't say I've really experienced that personally
1121880;1430873872;mircea_popescu;where you from ?
1121881;1430873880;williamdunne;South West of England, its like 99% white
1121882;1430873894;mircea_popescu;well, maybe you're more perceptive than most.
1121883;1430873926;williamdunne;The biggest city here is 96.2% white
1121884;1430873927;williamdunne;Lol
1121885;1430873944;williamdunne;Maybe, I know at secondary school I wasn't the only one without the issue
1121886;1430873947;williamdunne;Well, as far as I could tell
1121887;1430873967;williamdunne;Occasional racist jokes but the couple of Asian kids and couple of black kids were just viewed as other kids
1121888;1430874004;mircea_popescu;so if you get mugged by a korean guy you can confidently pick him up out of a line-up of six other korean guys, same age same height ?
1121889;1430874004;williamdunne;Maybe the whole school was more perceptive, I had heard of a few racist-type events at the non-selective schools
1121890;1430874015;williamdunne;Probably not in a mugging
1121891;1430874022;williamdunne;Quite quick
1121892;1430874026;williamdunne;Couldn't do that with white people
1121893;1430874042;mircea_popescu;maybe your polarities are reversed :D
1121894;1430874044;williamdunne;But sure, introduce me to them over an evening, and outside of usual struggles with names I'll do fine
1121895;1430874066;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's common, tho obviously not universal.
1121896;1430874067;williamdunne;I'm an elderly Korean woman at heart
1121897;1430874219;mircea_popescu;what do you mean by "cultural traits" by the way ?
1121898;1430874325;williamdunne;Pretty broad, so interests, attitudes, emotional stuff
1121899;1430874339;williamdunne;Stuff they like
1121900;1430874365;mircea_popescu;aha.
1121901;1430874384;mircea_popescu;because obviously the most commonly held lowest denominator of culture (ie, language) is pretty race-related.
1121902;1430874472;mircea_popescu;not that many white people speaking sino-tibetan languages, not that many black people speaking indo-european languages, not that many yellow people speaking semitic languages etc.
1121903;1430874516;williamdunne;Seems more geographic, with race being the likelihood of being in whatever geography
1121904;1430874535;williamdunne;Lots of English speaking yellow people who don't know any asian languages in the UK
1121905;1430874546;mircea_popescu;more or less.
1121906;1430874584;mircea_popescu;obviously a kid can learn any language it hears growing up.
1121907;1430874722;williamdunne;"France Restricts the Movement of Gold, Cash, & Crypto-Currencies"
1121908;1430874726;williamdunne;This should be a hilarious read
1121909;1430874790;mircea_popescu;they probably lied about their age to some woman.
1121910;1430874826;williamdunne;Mm can't find much info about the actual regs
1121911;1430874849;williamdunne;Just a "The control of crypto-currencies like Bitcoin are set to be tightened drastically" appended to the end
1121912;1430874852;williamdunne;Useless article
1121913;1430874873;mircea_popescu;but france is the most socialist country and it attacks people with money!
1121914;1430874901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124050 @ 0.00020852 = 25.8669 BTC [+]
1121915;1430874912;*;williamdunne throws money *at* mircea_popescu
1121916;1430874970;mircea_popescu;"five elephants decided to figure out what man is. according to their unanimous testimony, man is essentially flat."
1121917;1430875073;mircea_popescu;damn this entire fetlife fraudulent dmca business has been one of the best things. i really love these new servers i got.
1121918;1430875168;williamdunne;Yeah whats come of that so far?
1121919;1430875260;mircea_popescu;Server uptime: 26 days 20 hours 41 minutes 14 seconds
1121920;1430875260;mircea_popescu;Total accesses: 40274915 - Total Traffic: 360 GB
1121921;1430875260;mircea_popescu;CPU Usage: u.23 s.14 cu28.82 cs0 - .0492% CPU load
1121922;1430875260;mircea_popescu;13.64 requests/sec - 127.5 kB/second - 9.3 kB/request
1121923;1430875260;mircea_popescu;20 requests currently being processed, 28 idle workers
1121924;1430875276;mircea_popescu;how not to love it. 0.05% load srsly.
1121925;1430875288;williamdunne;DaFuq are the stats on that?
1121926;1430875293;williamdunne;*specs
1121927;1430875325;williamdunne;Although I've normally found that most web-frameworks fuckup at 10-15% load
1121928;1430875328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157446 @ 0.00021051 = 33.144 BTC [+] {2} 
1121929;1430875418;mircea_popescu;e5-26whatever
1121930;1430875482;mircea_popescu;btw, some funny shit : from what i hear from people who'd know, 2.x ghz processors actually solidly outperform 3.x ghz processors
1121931;1430875528;mircea_popescu;and the only thing that even offers 4ghz sucks even worse.
1121932;1430875528;williamdunne;Shouldn't that depend on usage, and the specific CPUs?
1121933;1430875563;mircea_popescu;there's bunches of them
1121934;1430875577;williamdunne;I mean overclocking for example on consumer is verifiably improving performance.
1121935;1430875584;williamdunne;*on consumer hardware
1121936;1430875603;mircea_popescu;this is server high end stuff.
1121937;1430875618;mircea_popescu;a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything
1121938;1430875630;mircea_popescu;o, yeah, that eightcore fx thing. but it's a middling offering at best.
1121939;1430875635;williamdunne;I definitely saw something they were meant to be great for
1121940;1430875642;williamdunne;Their 24 core opteron things
1121941;1430875649;mircea_popescu;still very good value for money, but anyway
1121942;1430875668;williamdunne;Think it was a messagequeue of some-sort
1121943;1430875694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86000 @ 0.00021219 = 18.2483 BTC [+]
1121944;1430875859;BingoBoingo;AMD seems to be still doing ok on the server if you are going to shard the physical machine into a fuckton of vms
1121945;1430875877;mircea_popescu;in random wtf today : minecraft server runs on one core only o.O
1121946;1430875885;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1121947;1430875891;williamdunne;Mmm, its a bunch of PoS java code
1121948;1430875908;*;BingoBoingo needs to see if minecraft client will work on OpenBSD for him
1121949;1430875927;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Yeah, think I would be correct in saying its used a bunch in video-rendering stuff
1121950;1430875932;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> btw, some funny shit : from what i hear from people who'd know, 2.x ghz processors actually solidly outperform 3.x ghz processors << less work per tick, aha.
1121951;1430875944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup
1121952;1430875979;asciilifeform;the 'cores' derpage poured fuel in this already-hot fire, by giving incentive for underperforming serially to keep thermal manageable
1121953;1430876000;mircea_popescu;not so sure cores was available.
1121954;1430876005;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> this is server high end stuff... a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything << afaik this is the -only- market they haven't entirely lost
1121955;1430876019;asciilifeform;$maxint opterons
1121956;1430876021;thestringpuller;http://gavinandresen.ninja/does-more-transactions-necessarily-mean-more-centralized << pete_dushenski gaving must have not seen your comments on your blog from yester-month
1121957;1430876023;mircea_popescu;how to improve on 1024 chickens ? upgrade to 1024 turducken
1121958;1430876028;asciilifeform;plus the '08-prior sommelier market
1121959;1430876033;asciilifeform;(which will not keep them alive, no)
1121960;1430876034;*;BingoBoingo wonders what sort of mangling would let a Bitcoin unload the ECDSA on opencl so gpu could fuck with it
1121961;1430876048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the very expensive opterons nobody buys
1121962;1430876060;*;asciilifeform buys
1121963;1430876063;mircea_popescu;the only shit they're still selling is stuff like the fx gaming processors, mostly to nvidia fanbase.
1121964;1430876081;asciilifeform;but no argument, amd is not long for this world
1121965;1430876086;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1121966;1430876093;asciilifeform;unless intel pulls a microshit-apple and keeps it on life support as token competitor
1121967;1430876095;mircea_popescu;sadly. i loved them for like a decade.
1121968;1430876136;asciilifeform;but yes, it has been decided, the intel rootkittronic turd is to be in all x86 boxen.
1121969;1430876157;asciilifeform;(the amd variant has vastly insufficient scope - and uptake - and so.)
1121970;1430876161;mircea_popescu;im really hoping the chinese come out with an actual chip alternative.
1121971;1430876167;mircea_popescu;that's what i'd do if i were their emperor.
1121972;1430876173;asciilifeform;they did try
1121973;1430876188;mircea_popescu;blatantly steal all the intel stuff, throw out the garbage, let anyone who wants to complain talk to their hand.
1121974;1430876190;asciilifeform;'dragon' (used in, iirc, loongson)
1121975;1430876205;asciilifeform;except the only reason they'd steal x86 is to run winblows
1121976;1430876209;asciilifeform;as ru did with 'elbrus'
1121977;1430876219;mircea_popescu;i don't mean one that sucxks. i don't even mean one that doesn't suck. i mean one that's about (amd/intel in 1995)**3
1121978;1430876243;asciilifeform;straight to 'elbrus' then
1121979;1430876254;mircea_popescu;they can run golang for all i care.
1121980;1430876281;asciilifeform;the interesting part is that chinese mips (see above) are in production, but entirely unobtainable in the west.
1121981;1430876291;asciilifeform;they are not concerned with export.
1121982;1430876291;mircea_popescu;i suspect dry run.
1121983;1430876299;asciilifeform;plenty in ru, interestingly
1121984;1430876303;asciilifeform;quite too many for dry run
1121985;1430876308;asciilifeform;just that they are hand-exported.
1121986;1430876314;mircea_popescu;they aren't nor shoudl; they be. lemme tell you something : the largest bank in the world (icbc) trades in the states on pink sheets
1121987;1430876318;mircea_popescu;this lol was in the log last year.
1121988;1430876330;asciilifeform;l0l wut
1121989;1430876344;mircea_popescu;it is not their job to care. retardo-us may imagine all it wants that icbc only exists if they say it does, and gs is best whatever because so sayz washington post.
1121990;1430876346;mircea_popescu;meanwhile...
1121991;1430876367;asciilifeform;can mircea_popescu find a loongson in that electronics hotdog stand next to $hotel ?
1121992;1430876383;*;asciilifeform had this item on checklist, did not get to it
1121993;1430876387;mircea_popescu;you know, contrary to your high regard of them, argentines are retarded.
1121994;1430876402;mircea_popescu;for all their pretenses, they do not qualify as a town, they're goat herders at best.
1121995;1430876413;asciilifeform;hey it's 3 or 4 notches above the retardation here in east gringolandia
1121996;1430876419;mircea_popescu;sure. but still retards.
1121997;1430876434;asciilifeform;goatfuckers with chinese imports by the gigatonne. hence question.
1121998;1430876463;mircea_popescu;the sort of retards with good food and all, but still. don't be surprised they don't know the difference between a tool and another tool. as long as it's not for farmin' or cookin', they dunno.
1121999;1430876483;mircea_popescu;the chinese export what you wish to import, they don't care.
1122000;1430876491;asciilifeform;precisely the situation in ru. folks end up with mips lappy, and end up pissing on it because 'not only won't run counterstrike, but mozilla is slow'
1122001;1430876494;mircea_popescu;thus, argentina gets tons of costume jewelry.
1122002;1430876512;asciilifeform;this is precisely why i suspect it exists in b-a
1122003;1430876516;asciilifeform;because cheapolade
1122004;1430876549;mircea_popescu;who plays counterstrike on a laptop for crying out loud.
1122005;1430876550;asciilifeform;i did dive into an electronics shop when walking with ben_vulpes, now that i think of it. saw nothing like loongson.
1122006;1430876554;mircea_popescu;why not on a comode
1122007;1430876570;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not my notion. direct quote from some godforsaken ru forum
1122008;1430876625;asciilifeform;at any rate, i'm merely trying to divine whether they export these buggers after all, or - as i suspect - the examples turning up in ru were hand-carried to the street market
1122009;1430876668;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure they export anything you want. but ~you gotta want it~.
1122010;1430876670;asciilifeform;(i will point out that rms, famously, was not able to obtain a replacement for his loongson - which was stolen by bag-snatchers in b-a)
1122011;1430876683;mircea_popescu;whereas ustards expect to be pushed, and are so used with the pushing they simply can't find the lake
1122012;1430876687;mircea_popescu;unless it tornadoes at them
1122013;1430876690;asciilifeform;gotta want 100,000 examples of it.
1122014;1430876697;mircea_popescu;yes. it's what importing is.
1122015;1430876721;asciilifeform;interestingly, there are 'disposable' laptops sold at u.s. crap stores
1122016;1430876727;asciilifeform;(as in, < 100 usd)
1122017;1430876727;mircea_popescu;you will notice it was definitely not the us' fault that you couldn't find jeans in moscow cca 1985.
1122018;1430876732;asciilifeform;they feature 'intel atom'
1122019;1430876736;asciilifeform;because national turdphactory.
1122020;1430876752;asciilifeform;it is how they dump inventory
1122021;1430877052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did they ever come out wiht the elbrus 8s ?
1122022;1430877082;mircea_popescu;not sure why you, or i, or anyone would give a shit about some closed turd.
1122023;1430877159;mircea_popescu;(obviously ru bureaucracy needs something for import substitution, but other than that...)
1122024;1430877524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46250 @ 0.00021303 = 9.8526 BTC [+]
1122025;1430877646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221254 @ 0.00021364 = 47.2687 BTC [+] {2} 
1122026;1430877900;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: supposedly out. and, iirc it's a pedantically documented sparc, rather than closed turd
1122027;1430877910;asciilifeform;(though i am not aware of masks, etc. having been published)
1122028;1430878111;*;asciilifeform attempts to find the docs, turns up nothing but marketing crud
1122029;1430878136;asciilifeform;i must note that the firm has a lengthy history of chumpatronic shenanigans
1122030;1430878144;asciilifeform;dating back prior to fall of su
1122031;1430878195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109696 @ 0.00021438 = 23.5166 BTC [+]
1122032;1430878239;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1122033;1430878323;asciilifeform;i expect to purchase a 'fluxbabbitt' before i ever so much as touch an 'elbrus.'
1122034;1430878402;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121888 <<< asians all look the same to me sorta thing?
1122035;1430878402;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 01:00:04; mircea_popescu: so if you get mugged by a korean guy you can confidently pick him up out of a line-up of six other korean guys, same age same height ?
1122036;1430878500;asciilifeform;http://www.idm-plus.ru/tf16a.html << ru forth micro.
1122037;1430878501;assbot;IDM Plus - TF-16A ... ( http://bit.ly/1EeW9jf )
1122038;1430878510;asciilifeform;(made on cotract in cn)
1122039;1430878513;asciilifeform;*contract
1122040;1430878718;decimation;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2338 < baltimore man writes about what he saw
1122041;1430878719;assbot;JL: ‘A Time for Men’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLVm43 )
1122042;1430878721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%A6%D0%A1%D0%A2-R1000 << mega-l0l. claimed to be employed in ru missile & crypto gear. sparc v9 clone. manufactured 'in small parties of a few tens of examples per month.'
1122043;1430878722;assbot;МЦСТ-R1000 — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLVkJr )
1122044;1430878814;asciilifeform;decimation: interesting
1122045;1430878822;asciilifeform;but not entirely surprising
1122046;1430878864;decimation;"2. All police assets from Baltimore City and surrounding municipalities were concentrated in three zones, leaving over 95% of Baltimore City and Baltimore County without police protection."
1122047;1430878921;danielpbarron;4. Lone white women away from home were targeted for gang rape by gangs of black men immediately across the city and county.
1122048;1430878947;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I am too race blind. A few years ago an acquaintance robbed a bank and seeing the CCTV pic in the paper I'm like who is that fat korean? Turns out it was a fat white guy I went to college with.
1122049;1430878980;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: on chinese 640x480 turdcams, we can all be fat koreans.
1122050;1430878992;cazalla;1fps!
1122051;1430879014;decimation;asciilifeform: actually there's a new 'technology' for hd cameras
1122052;1430879030;decimation;instead of shitty ip cams, they are making hd cameras that can propagate full picture at 'baseband'
1122053;1430879044;decimation;http://www.hkvstar.com/technology-news/hd-tvi-cameras-new-technology-for-analog-hd-solution.html
1122054;1430879045;assbot;HD-TVI cameras - new technology for analog HD solution | Technology News ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLW01i )
1122055;1430879058;asciilifeform;to $maxint base station, aha
1122056;1430879064;decimation;unfortunately there only seem to be dvrs available now, no computer capture cards
1122057;1430879070;decimation;yeah, that will come soon
1122058;1430879080;decimation;the cameras are pretty cheap though
1122059;1430879090;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: On black and white turdcams I look more like a chubby somali than a korean, but yes. I am surprised he did not mount aggressive defense on the camera quality.
1122060;1430879104;decimation;really this is gonna sweep the market, because of the vast infrastructure of deployed coax for cameras
1122061;1430879112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00021759 = 15.6012 BTC [+]
1122062;1430879115;decimation;or something like it
1122063;1430879161;asciilifeform;and of course ethernet over coax somehow never happened
1122064;1430879171;*;asciilifeform still has enormous spool of 'thin-net'
1122065;1430879181;decimation;heh I had some of those back in the day, 10-base-2
1122066;1430879184;decimation;as well as token ring
1122067;1430879185;asciilifeform;and a bag of 'tees'
1122068;1430879221;*;BingoBoingo loving triclopyr, seriously that shit is a gardeners best friend
1122069;1430879247;decimation;actually coax can generally work at much higher frequency than twisted pair, but I guess it is more expensive
1122070;1430879317;asciilifeform;moar copper, moar cost.
1122071;1430879341;cazalla;BingoBoingo, pull the weeds out with your hands.. it's what i was doing this morning.. fucking wind has caned my brussel sprouts too :\
1122072;1430879354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197200 @ 0.00021759 = 42.9087 BTC [+]
1122073;1430879374;asciilifeform;(prior to invention of optical fiber, long-haul telecom was 100% coax)
1122074;1430879375;decimation;plus multiple pairs are naturally bidirectional
1122075;1430879422;decimation;I went snorkeling in hawaii once, saw a massive undersea cable that was one of the first international lines
1122076;1430879438;decimation;they demolished a reef to do so
1122077;1430879441;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Ah, been doing that too, but there is a point where one needs to not merely kill weeds of limited size, but trees.  Meter and a half tall toxichondendron specimine annihilated by triclopyr
1122078;1430879452;*;BingoBoingo not always the most attentive gardener
1122079;1430879464;asciilifeform;decimation: afaik all of those remain under the sea. and, by and large, still work (if one were to plug them in)
1122080;1430879478;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanauma_Bay#/media/File:Hanauma_Bay.JPG
1122081;1430879480;assbot;Hanauma Bay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLWOU3 )
1122082;1430879484;asciilifeform;(the very first oceanic cable, famously, burned out)
1122083;1430879494;decimation;yeah I used the cable and the cut through the reef to swim out into the bay
1122084;1430879506;cazalla;i'm quite attentive.. only wish i had more land to grow.. need to add a green house, bees an an orchard, hopefully keel over and die in such a place one day
1122085;1430879542;*;BingoBoingo likes to tell self he is saving attention for better place to garden
1122086;1430879662;cazalla;first year getting fruit from my meyer lemon too which are nice
1122087;1430879685;BingoBoingo;I'm too far north for citrus
1122088;1430879732;cazalla;too cold? meyer's do ok here in melb considering the cold (although no snowy winter obv)
1122089;1430879762;BingoBoingo;past couple years I surrendered the northwest quadrant of the yard to growing as native woodland, but... squirrels plant hickory in the worst places
1122090;1430879797;decimation;asciilifeform: http://atlantic-cable.com//Cables/1957HAW1/ < "The polythene-insulated coaxial type cable is designed to provide the same number of telephone channels, namely, 36, as the first transatlantic telephone cables, the greater part of which were also produced by Submarine Cables Limited."
1122091;1430879799;assbot;History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - 1957 HAW-1 California-Hawaii Cable ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLXoB7 )
1122092;1430879804;BingoBoingo;cazalla: two winters ago stayed well below 0F for most of January and kept two feet of snow on the ground
1122093;1430879842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126600 @ 0.00021759 = 27.5469 BTC [+]
1122094;1430879852;decimation;as I recall the outer jacket had been torn and the structural cables were visible
1122095;1430879861;BingoBoingo;from different Zeus rages
1122096;1430880187;asciilifeform;'President Hoover signed a permit to lay cable in the territorial waters of the United States on June 17, 1930. The Cuban-American Telephone and Telegraph Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bell Telephone Company, accepted responsibility for the work under this permit and filed it with the State Department in Washington D.C. The Division Attorney applied for a War Department Permit on August 9, 1930. The application inc
1122097;1430880187;asciilifeform;luded nautical charts and drawings showing the route to be followed in laying the cable. The War Department issued its permit Number 2845 on September 8, 1930. Thereafter, United States Customs advised that inspections of the cable tank buildings, additional permits and the payment of duties were required in addition to a warehouse bond for the importation and storage of surplus cable.'
1122098;1430880193;asciilifeform;( http://atlantic-cable.com//CableCos/KeyWest/index2.htm )
1122099;1430880194;assbot;History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - Key West ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLYahs )
1122100;1430880206;asciilifeform;usg-4, as we can see, was nearly in full bloom already.
1122101;1430880352;decimation;asciilifeform: absolutely.  the whole thing was merely embiggened by wwii
1122102;1430880759;decimation;asciilifeform: and I agree with moldbug - it is long in the tooth
1122103;1430881206;asciilifeform;anybody ever 'bbv' bitcoind ? ( http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/bbv-manual.html )
1122104;1430881206;assbot;Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1dM08hZ )
1122105;1430881249;asciilifeform;or even gprof
1122106;1430881254;asciilifeform;or wtf, anything at all
1122107;1430881348;asciilifeform;how about dhat ? ( http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/dh-manual.html )
1122108;1430881349;assbot;Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6YNbA )
1122109;1430881369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ ?
1122110;1430881393;decimation;asciilifeform: interesting I've never used bbv, only mem profile
1122111;1430881413;asciilifeform;many interesting gadgets, which, apparently, nobody uses.
1122112;1430882597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because everyone knows the way to make silicon is by the dozen
1122113;1430882599;mircea_popescu;craftmansheep!
1122114;1430882679;mircea_popescu;<decimation> "2. All police assets from Baltimore City and surrounding <<< the point of the king's police is to maintain the king's claims to sovereignity. it is not the police's job to protect you. you don't get to sue either the police generally or individual police officers for having failed to assist - even in places where you can sue ordinary citizens for same.
1122115;1430882753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> and of course ethernet over coax somehow never happened << how not ? it's how i got broadband for a decade. "catv"
1122116;1430882913;decimation;mircea_popescu: re: police < yeah I buy that, but it's often the case that the democratic police like to confuse the voters into thinking that they work for them
1122117;1430882941;mircea_popescu;heh. was example earlier in the log about how "police work for them". was re three strikes ballot in ca.
1122118;1430883008;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how i got broadband for a decade << same
1122119;1430883019;*;asciilifeform was poking phun at the imbecility of the camera thing
1122120;1430883024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh, so far nobody even compiles glibc. go away with your exotic temptations, fair lady.
1122121;1430883039;asciilifeform;nobody - to a first approximation - wants to do fucking anything at all...
1122122;1430883085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the point of the king's police is to maintain the king's claims to sovereignity << this was no mystery of any kind to the folks who first witnessed this marvellous invention.
1122123;1430883095;decimation;asciilifeform: in theory, ip cameras could work as well as dumb analog-over-coax, but in practice the firmware sucks
1122124;1430883112;mircea_popescu;the problem is that the king has no further good claims on sovereignity, and as such must now surrender the police.
1122125;1430883189;decimation;yarvin thought that urban police depts. would make good rulers
1122126;1430883195;decimation;given how they have to deal with reality as-is
1122127;1430883207;asciilifeform;why not beggars then ?
1122128;1430883215;asciilifeform;or rats, from sewers.
1122129;1430883240;mircea_popescu;"7. Over 200 businesses, including at least 13 pharmacies, and up to a third of liquor stores, have been wiped from the face of the earth, many of them minority businesses which are uninsured and will not recover. This places the drug gangs in a position to expand the illegal economy in areas where businesses will not return�as they did not return after the 1968 riots�which offsets losses of territory recently suff
1122130;1430883240;mircea_popescu;ered at the hands of Johns Hopkins Hospital and University buying up drug territory."
1122131;1430883245;decimation;how many beggars in the us couldn't have a warm bed and meals - if willin to submit to charity
1122132;1430883248;mircea_popescu;this guy has a pretty decent understanding of how this shit works.
1122133;1430883277;decimation;I've been to johns hopkins in baltimore, it's in hell-hole ghetto land
1122134;1430883313;asciilifeform;surrounded, today, by (discreet) guard booths
1122135;1430883315;mircea_popescu;but the police shows up.
1122136;1430883320;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1122137;1430883328;asciilifeform;mega-posh campus, incidentally
1122138;1430883334;decimation;johns hopkins is actually the largest employer in maryland
1122139;1430883340;asciilifeform;makes the lawns of d.c. capitol, etc. look shabby.
1122140;1430883344;mircea_popescu;"10. All whites I have spoken to have noted that blacks they normally come into contact with have been behaving with increased�or not before present�hostility. This has been noted by the author as well, with hard eye-contact and aggressive posturing evidenced by most black males I now encounter, where before that was a minority expression of about a third of such men."
1122141;1430883344;decimation;all the other industry is long-gone
1122142;1430883346;asciilifeform;decimation: last i checked it was nsa
1122143;1430883348;mircea_popescu;this gonna be a warm summer.
1122144;1430883390;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, could be
1122145;1430883441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108103 @ 0.00022071 = 23.8594 BTC [+]
1122146;1430883444;decimation;http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-rg-mdbusiness21-story.html < although I bet johns hopkins university + medical is pretty close
1122147;1430883446;assbot;Top Maryland employers - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRAixT )
1122148;1430883484;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/?f=site << me looks and smiles. ah, youth...
1122149;1430883487;assbot;Baltimore's Violence Guy ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRAjlt )
1122150;1430883487;decimation;mircea_popescu: the problem this guy (the blog author) has is that if he is too public about his point of view, the king's police will make an example of him
1122151;1430883500;mircea_popescu;someone invite him over.
1122152;1430883770;asciilifeform;206451
1122153;1430884018;asciilifeform;re: police irregularities: i'm still betting on the hypothesis that local police will be pissed on in propagandatron endlessly until finally entirely replaced (as planned) with centralized gendarmerie
1122154;1430884057;asciilifeform;which will, naturally, follow 'federal equal opportunity employment' etc.
1122155;1430884066;decimation;I'm not sure about such a coordinated plot, but it certainly is the case that urban police departments are independent power centers upon which usg frowns
1122156;1430884069;mircea_popescu;yes, because you have this strange fetishistic attractor in your mental prognosticator.
1122157;1430884090;decimation;we already have 'federal equal opportunity employment'
1122158;1430884091;asciilifeform;and, the absolutely key soviet part, gendarme will be posted far from his home town
1122159;1430884097;mircea_popescu;but no. baltimore/maryland is currently under an aliance of the underworld. they WILL drive out any and all statal enforcement, because that is what happens when the underworld decides to .
1122160;1430884111;mircea_popescu;it's not accidental that my path to breaking 1984 was as i described it at the time.
1122161;1430884116;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mega-posh campus + medical school seems to thrive on medicaid like kudzu, local entity of that flavor is "BJC healthcare"
1122162;1430884157;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, baltimore may well be the hole the night crawls through.
1122163;1430884158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what does it mean to 'drive out statal enforcement' in a place that is run 100% on usg largesse ?
1122164;1430884171;mircea_popescu;if detroit next copies them...
1122165;1430884173;asciilifeform;and why was l.a. not the hole the night walks in through ?
1122166;1430884177;decimation;"In the city, the entitlement pressure continues to ramp up, with the Whole Foods grocery store coming under fire for feeding national guardsmen that prevented their store from being looted. The ghettoites claim that the grocer should have been feeding the black students who lost their free school lunch on Tuesday, rather than the guardsmen who were protecting the grocer from these same juvenile delinquents. "
1122167;1430884177;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no such thing as "government largesse".
1122168;1430884186;asciilifeform;l.a. had proper street war.
1122169;1430884198;mircea_popescu;the government is that derpy kid in school. it doesn't give anything, the kids just take.
1122170;1430884206;asciilifeform;(mega-recommend: watch the extant films from it. good quality shootouts, etc)
1122171;1430884210;mircea_popescu;because la is too fragmented, apparently.
1122172;1430884219;BingoBoingo;l.a. had the problem of firstness
1122173;1430884224;decimation;mircea_popescu: but that approach fails when men with guns are willing to stand
1122174;1430884226;mircea_popescu;also, perhaps.
1122175;1430884234;mircea_popescu;decimation what men ?
1122176;1430884242;decimation;there are few
1122177;1430884255;mircea_popescu;why would you, or anyone stand for the usg ?!
1122178;1430884271;decimation;that's the problem the men with guns have, isn't it
1122179;1430884273;mircea_popescu;dea guys are just in it for the columbian whore parties / stolen goodies from evidence room.
1122180;1430884278;mircea_popescu;it's not a problem, no.
1122181;1430884281;decimation;'the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy'
1122182;1430884294;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> why would you, or anyone stand for the usg ?! << i can think of one reason - if alternative is surrender to orcs
1122183;1430884298;asciilifeform;aka south africa
1122184;1430884305;mircea_popescu;south africa HAS a government.
1122185;1430884310;mircea_popescu;of usg's hand picking, no less.
1122186;1430884314;asciilifeform;aha
1122187;1430884323;mircea_popescu;so no, south africa is not a possible result.
1122188;1430884326;decimation;yeah, government of & by the orcs
1122189;1430884328;asciilifeform;usa will also have a government.
1122190;1430884339;mircea_popescu;in the sense that sec will oversee mpex.
1122191;1430884339;asciilifeform;or rather, pieces of usa
1122192;1430884340;mircea_popescu;sure.
1122193;1430884353;mircea_popescu;they can draw mpex on a piece of paper and oversee it till they fall over.
1122194;1430884368;decimation;actually I think the mega-trend here is that the us is sorting itself out geographically
1122195;1430884377;decimation;men who don't want to put up with baltimore's shit, stop
1122196;1430884399;decimation;can move to portland or whereever
1122197;1430884406;mircea_popescu;orly. lol.
1122198;1430884428;decimation;sure, that's what gives the us its black and white checkerboard demographic map
1122199;1430884430;mircea_popescu;men who don't like the earthquake in kyoto can go have the earthquake in osaka.
1122200;1430884434;mircea_popescu;provided they move fast enough.
1122201;1430884445;decimation;earthquakes are unpredictable
1122202;1430884463;decimation;it's not like noone could have predicted racial freak-out in baltimore
1122203;1430884470;asciilifeform;orc flare-ups are similarly unpredictable (other than, possibly, to instigators)
1122204;1430884497;mircea_popescu;decimation why didn't you predict it then!
1122205;1430884516;asciilifeform;in the general case, both - predictable. like the example of orlov's bridge falling into the river. (eventually the whole thing is underwater. but when?)
1122206;1430884516;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, predict the next one, so you know where not to go o.O
1122207;1430884532;decimation;well, I did leave the md/dc area
1122208;1430884564;BingoBoingo;A contemporary USian problem is that for every DEA Carl Mark Force IV is a freelance Carl Mark Force IV who also robs Drug dealers bu while doing so is younger, darker, and more effective
1122209;1430884564;decimation;not many orc flare-ups in dubuque iowa, or bismark nd
1122210;1430884565;mircea_popescu;a, you did ?
1122211;1430884579;BingoBoingo;decimation: Purely chance
1122212;1430884582;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo one, or ten.
1122213;1430884614;decimation;BingoBoingo: Town&Country also under threat?
1122214;1430884616;BingoBoingo;;;google shadynavy north county cowboys
1122215;1430884617;gribble;North County Cowboys | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/pages/North-County-Cowboys/117756711639668>; North County Cowboys 7-1 2014 | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/pages/North-County-Cowboys-7-1-2014/585088451529199>; B2C: North County Cowboys vs South Doyle Cherokees - 8th Grade ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoGSOQOxYs8>
1122216;1430884641;BingoBoingo;decimation: Not yet, Ferguson shit didn't even make it to clayton, but did annoy StL city proper
1122217;1430884680;decimation;even in the wash dc area, people pay really good money to be physically separated from orcs
1122218;1430884705;asciilifeform;they pay up to 100% of income, yes.
1122219;1430884713;asciilifeform;it mostly works.
1122220;1430884721;asciilifeform;in fact, the baltimore thing etc. is a kind of 'floor demo'
1122221;1430884730;BingoBoingo;I'm just glad stl avoided its inevitable orc vs. high-orc flare up for some time
1122222;1430884741;asciilifeform;'here is why you were smart not to move to where house exactly like yours costs 1/7th what you paid'
1122223;1430884747;decimation;even though rich jews live less than a few miles from the hell-hole, they might as well be a world away
1122224;1430884763;BingoBoingo;And the Black vs. Bosnia conflict was silenced by the old bosnians
1122225;1430884769;mircea_popescu;you know, this is so bizarre to me.
1122226;1430884774;asciilifeform;this is one reason why the uprisings are permitted (hell, organized) by usg
1122227;1430884776;decimation;(north baltimore is famously highly jewish)
1122228;1430884782;mircea_popescu;my main complaint here in argentina is that well... there's no "orcs" as you call them, in sight.
1122229;1430884792;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how you people can even live in a 100% pencilneck atmosphere.
1122230;1430884793;asciilifeform;if not this, there'd be pinkertons, machine-gunning at foot level
1122231;1430884800;mircea_popescu;doesn't it get depressing like the fucking sahara ?
1122232;1430884804;asciilifeform;depressing?
1122233;1430884807;mircea_popescu;yes.
1122234;1430884815;asciilifeform;(and we have plenty of orc of whatever kind.)
1122235;1430884823;decimation;most normal folk just avert their eyes and speed through on their commutes
1122236;1430884831;BingoBoingo;Oh, no, it gets entertaining. More so than saturday's boxing screwjob.
1122237;1430884833;mircea_popescu;such idiocy.
1122238;1430884836;*;asciilifeform for example lives in 90+% south american street
1122239;1430884844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108650 @ 0.00022071 = 23.9801 BTC [+]
1122240;1430884857;decimation;northeast dc is now nearly all salvadoran/guatamalan
1122241;1430884874;asciilifeform;what kind of orc does mircea_popescu lack in b-a ?
1122242;1430884930;asciilifeform;the kind that sets fire to grocer because his usg-sponsored lunch skipped a day?
1122243;1430884941;mircea_popescu;The professional gun-armed black criminals were staging home invasions, drug stash-house raids, and stealthy break-ins of high value targets under cover of darkness <
1122244;1430884942;asciilifeform;or the kind that lights parked cars on fire ?
1122245;1430884967;asciilifeform;no robbers in b-a ?
1122246;1430884977;mircea_popescu;no COMPETENT ones.
1122247;1430884981;*;BingoBoingo seeing baltimore riot tape first thought black mardi gras
1122248;1430884999;asciilifeform;competent robbers go where there is something to steal ?
1122249;1430885013;asciilifeform;what ought they to steal in b-a ? the icecream ?
1122250;1430885023;mircea_popescu;even the fucking italians are more like a hand puppet, hanging around with their retarded blazers
1122251;1430885040;mircea_popescu;nobody popping a cap in their fat ass because a) it's not fat anymore, and b) the guns are all chocolate.
1122252;1430885063;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1122253;1430885063;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3K6BXWC.txt )
1122254;1430885067;asciilifeform;^ except for that rusty old luger at the flea market, l0l
1122255;1430885078;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how would you feel if you had to live in a place where nobody used words longer than 4 letters ?
1122256;1430885088;asciilifeform;i sorta live there now.
1122257;1430885101;asciilifeform;my 5+ letters come in over the fiber.
1122258;1430885108;asciilifeform;everywhere else <=4.
1122259;1430885121;mircea_popescu;well, i feel the same way. retards everywhere.
1122260;1430885145;mircea_popescu;if i had a pick of 2-30 men from my youth, i could take over this country in six months. make any random whore of your choosing president.
1122261;1430885148;BingoBoingo;So lol US orcs vs. ents http://forums.bullnettlenews.com/26-wildlife-habitat/47873-help-killing-kudzu-smallish-pines-2.html
1122262;1430885150;assbot; Help killing kudzu in smallish pines - Page 2 - Mississippi Hunting and Fishing Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODUXh )
1122263;1430885156;*;asciilifeform recalls reading tales of daring heists and bloody shootouts from ar '01-03 default years
1122264;1430885157;mircea_popescu;but there aren't 30. nor 20. nor 2. in fact, there hasn't been one in decades.
1122265;1430885169;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reports were exagerated.
1122266;1430885196;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... there hasn't been one in decades << all dead ?
1122267;1430885204;mircea_popescu;no, all stupid.
1122268;1430885234;mircea_popescu;here's a deep dark secret : the us would produce fine young men too, even white ones, if their IDIOTIC MOTHERS were beaten more often,
1122269;1430885240;mircea_popescu;and the grandmothers kept in the outhouse.
1122270;1430885250;mircea_popescu;argentina, much more than the us, is an old-woman-oriented society.
1122271;1430885252;mircea_popescu;it's disgusting.
1122272;1430885289;asciilifeform;the (not argentinian but pertinent) garcia marquez painted a very frightening picture of this, in his tales
1122273;1430885316;mircea_popescu;it's the case. the jews have it ridiculously bad but not this bad. the arabs have it almost as bad, but not nearly.
1122274;1430885334;mircea_popescu;this country is maybe the casebook study on "what happens if you don't beat the women".
1122275;1430885351;mircea_popescu;yes, the icecream is excellent. meanwhile i'm hatching a major depression.
1122276;1430885354;asciilifeform;perhaps ar could benefit from a steamer full of arabs et al
1122277;1430885365;decimation;this guy could have predicted (baltimore) http://unamusementpark.com/2011/07/blacks-ruin-fourth-of-july-in-baltimore-media-censor-race/
1122278;1430885366;assbot;Unamusement Park  » Blog Archive   » Blacks ruin Fourth of July in Baltimore; media censor race ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEg0j )
1122279;1430885372;mircea_popescu;if i cared more i'd try to import ukraina here.
1122280;1430885379;asciilifeform;decimation: is that the bloke who was beaten to death in a za police clink ?
1122281;1430885391;BingoBoingo;decimation: Also describes "Taste of Chicago"
1122282;1430885407;decimation;asciilifeform: hadn't heard of that
1122283;1430885412;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: import ukraina l0l
1122284;1430885422;asciilifeform;which half
1122285;1430885439;mircea_popescu;i don't care. but the women preferably.
1122286;1430885447;mircea_popescu;This kind of elevation of young men normally only occurs on battlefields or on sports teams�not in sissy, civilized, shop keeping society. The leaders and academics of our sick corrupt society have labored for nearly two centuries to emasculate our young men from the cradle to the grave.
1122287;1430885447;mircea_popescu;I now observe, through what of my primal man�s eye I have been able to salvage from this systematic assault on my humanity, that all it takes is a few urban savages to rip the mask away from the slave mistress that owns us to expose her for the impotent squabbling bitch that she is, and open the door for men to be men once again, as the lie that encases our souls crumbles to dust with every fumbling falsehood that fa
1122288;1430885447;mircea_popescu;lls flat beneath the reality of naked force. The hooting black heathens that have hunted me in the streets of Baltimore for over 30 years might be my enemies, but they at least acknowledge my manhood as they probe for my every weakness, and have struck a resounding blow against the slave mistress society that seeks with its every apparatus to render me weak to the point of meek.
1122289;1430885451;mircea_popescu;speaking of which!
1122290;1430885455;mircea_popescu;check this out, this dude gets shit.
1122291;1430885476;asciilifeform;eh reads like 'mansphere' sop.
1122292;1430885496;asciilifeform;i have (had?) bookmark pit with 1,001 of these.
1122293;1430885499;mircea_popescu;well he's a mfa/boxer coach, whadda ya want.
1122294;1430885506;decimation;yeah, but my point from above: why bother trying to 'save' baltimore?  move to bismark?
1122295;1430885519;mircea_popescu;decimation either love or hatred.
1122296;1430885526;mircea_popescu;from experience, hatred is usually more effectual.
1122297;1430885552;BingoBoingo;decimation: The weather
1122298;1430885555;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2341&pr=0 << check it out.
1122299;1430885556;assbot;JL: The Four Types of Women ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpG66E )
1122300;1430885573;mircea_popescu;dja folks have ANY IDEA how rare it is for me to be able to read like three paragraphs into something on the web without throwing a fit ?
1122301;1430885578;mircea_popescu;thinking about it you prolly do.
1122302;1430885612;decimation;apparently the lightly braindamaged pugilist from baltimore charms you :)
1122303;1430885618;mircea_popescu;"A facet of the slave girl is her inability to acquire wisdom and enlightenment when not in a post orgasmic state. " << bs.
1122304;1430885623;mircea_popescu;he just doesn't know how to connect.
1122305;1430885632;mircea_popescu;decimation i am charmed.
1122306;1430885663;decimation;BingoBoingo: I think asciilifeform can attest that the weather in maryland is shit
1122307;1430885672;*;BingoBoingo still pissed over saturday's fight. Mayweather spent the whole time retreating.
1122308;1430885679;decimation;freezing wet winters, hot as balls in summer
1122309;1430885681;asciilifeform;decimation: and the nearer to d.c. swamp, the more so, yes
1122310;1430885700;asciilifeform;if i had to design a climate for penal colony planet, i'd base it on this.
1122311;1430885703;BingoBoingo;decimation: Weather being shit is a universal part of USian living, just varies regionally
1122312;1430885723;decimation;^ one 'stealth' reason for silicon valley's 'success'
1122313;1430885754;*;BingoBoingo researching "tropical" places cooler and less humid in peak summer than stl region
1122314;1430885757;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone missed the memo on why california has been attractive since cca 1849
1122315;1430885760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 328600 @ 0.00022331 = 73.3797 BTC [+] {3} 
1122316;1430885769;asciilifeform;the only thing missing in this penal colony are those giant wasps that can sautee a man full of eggs in minutes
1122317;1430885775;asciilifeform;or perhaps even these, we have somewhere.
1122318;1430885798;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: California always attractive because mediteranian climate substitute and mountain runoff water
1122319;1430885806;mircea_popescu;yup
1122320;1430885815;decimation;http://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2012/07/deadly-asian-giant-hornet-spotted-in-arlington-heights-not-cicada-killer-wasp/
1122321;1430885817;assbot;Deadly Asian Giant Hornet Spotted in Arlington Heights, Illinois: Not Cicada Killer Wasp | The Cardinal ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEQLv )
1122322;1430885817;asciilifeform;it is attractive, properly speaking, in contrast to -the rest of usa-
1122323;1430885831;mircea_popescu;sort of like a slightly more retarded liguria,
1122324;1430885832;mircea_popescu;but bigger.
1122325;1430885858;*;asciilifeform has definitely met this wasp
1122326;1430885859;mircea_popescu;(for the record, liguria was never prime european real estate. home to 3rd best venice)
1122327;1430885871;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm telling you Illinois has been perfect this year wasp wise so far now that I got my bee posse together
1122328;1430885957;*;BingoBoingo might be interested in these giant hornets
1122329;1430886026;BingoBoingo;though the carpenter bees seem to handle yellowjackets admirably
1122330;1430886079;mircea_popescu;left the dude a comment. curious if he shows up.
1122331;1430886092;decimation;I thought carpenter bees just drilled holes in various wood pieces
1122332;1430886098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm still puzzled as to how importing female ua would replenish the missing supply of (somehow) necessary orcs
1122333;1430886140;*;asciilifeform was also under the impression that mircea_popescu already flies in females as necessary for terraforming martian colony
1122334;1430886141;BingoBoingo;decimation: They mostly do. They also love the columbine in the front garden, will love the Hollyhock later in the year.
1122335;1430886185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why ?
1122336;1430886186;BingoBoingo;decimation: Capenter bees here in the past decade went the miraculous transformation from pest to desirable
1122337;1430886244;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why ? << same reason flew in pogotrons - local supplies did not cut it
1122338;1430886259;*;asciilifeform conjectured.
1122339;1430886267;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nono, i mean, why do you not see ua etc.
1122340;1430886296;mircea_popescu;as to fly in, i have better shit to do with my girls than lift argentina from the shithole. maybe if i cared more, or maybe if it pissed me off more. but as it is... whatever.
1122341;1430886301;asciilifeform;because was under the impression that mircea_popescu lacked for desperadoes, good shootouts, etc. in b-a rather than gurlz
1122342;1430886314;mircea_popescu;even the owner of a cleaning company does not order the forest cleanned randomly.
1122343;1430886326;mircea_popescu;girls make excellent desperadoes.
1122344;1430886332;mircea_popescu;boys are usually 2nd rate.
1122345;1430886427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu might consider sharing his martian tech with rest of planet 3
1122346;1430886433;BingoBoingo;For reference growing up these were primarily and exclusively the wasp genera of concern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_dauber
1122347;1430886434;assbot;Mud dauber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOFMPZ )
1122348;1430886446;asciilifeform;perhaps then girls will also make best os demungers, cosmonauts, etc
1122349;1430886478;asciilifeform;but basic point stands - cleaner does not clean the forest. not unless the badgers, mushrooms, snakes - pay.
1122350;1430886486;asciilifeform;cash on barrelhead.
1122351;1430886506;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122307 <<< always bet on black :P
1122352;1430886506;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 04:14:32; *: BingoBoingo still pissed over saturday's fight. Mayweather spent the whole time retreating.
1122353;1430886521;*;asciilifeform bets on red
1122354;1430886542;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I always try to play chess as black, why should I oppress myself by favoring that colour further
1122355;1430886555;decimation;BingoBoingo: what's wrong with mud dauber wasps?
1122356;1430886563;BingoBoingo;decimation: The sting
1122357;1430886638;decimation;generally my experience is that wasps leave you alone if you leave them alone.  hornets, not so much
1122358;1430886677;BingoBoingo;decimation: I've been stung by honeybees many times without atypical problems but never been stung by a mud dauber without needing some limited necrosis debrided later
1122359;1430886698;cazalla;asciilifeform, red? communism lingers that bad eh?
1122360;1430886703;cazalla;or was that the joke..
1122361;1430886718;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantula_hawk#/media/File:Wasp_with_Orange-kneed_tarantula.JPG < supposedly the most painful sting in the us
1122362;1430886720;assbot;Tarantula hawk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOGgWi )
1122363;1430886730;asciilifeform;cazalla: was to be a complicated l0l re: 'red' indians
1122364;1430886740;asciilifeform;who will rise again, or the like.
1122365;1430886749;BingoBoingo;wasp/hornet is a hard distinction to make in north America. Most things we'd refer to in NA as hornets look more like European wasps than North American wasps
1122366;1430886774;decimation;if you are wondering the southwest and find a gigantic blue wasp dragging around a freshly-paralyzed tarantula, leave it alone
1122367;1430886789;decimation;^would put in penal planet
1122368;1430886880;BingoBoingo;<decimation> if you are wondering the southwest and find a gigantic blue wasp dragging around a freshly-paralyzed tarantula, leave it alone << Fuck. No tarantulas here, but that coloration is new this year among some of the assorted wasps I've ignored as variations on the paper wasps. Will have nore concern for
1122369;1430886887;asciilifeform;giant wasps always bring me brain back to an ancient sf tome from childhood, where a couplea blokes submitted to do a prison planet term -in advance-
1122370;1430886928;asciilifeform;(idea was that scarcely anyone survived, and so would-be miscreants were tempted with reduced terms with proviso that if they return, they get to kill somebody)
1122371;1430886949;decimation;asciilifeform: as in they 'gain citizenship' or whatever?
1122372;1430886995;asciilifeform;they get sentenced to time served.
1122373;1430887017;BingoBoingo;decimation: I can't certainly recall and exact match on the body color in those photos, but those wings... I sprayed one with glyphosate clearing a ditch
1122374;1430887029;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is professional gardener now ?!
1122375;1430887071;decimation;BingoBoingo: apparently they do range up to washington state
1122376;1430887081;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not professionally. Last couple years I mowed lawns for cash. This year branching out. Gardens are more paper for less long term commitment.
1122377;1430887096;BingoBoingo;decimation: In southern Illinois
1122378;1430887316;BingoBoingo;This part of Illinois though tends to have sightings of all kinds of animals the USDA supposes could never naturalize here (armadillos, carious reptiles and amphibians)
1122379;1430887387;BingoBoingo;*various
1122380;1430887427;*;BingoBoingo bets on green
1122381;1430887513;*;BingoBoingo would also not doubt that some sort of climate shift is happening in north america, but doubts atmospheric carbon as the case when compared to local change in Albedo wrought by soy
1122382;1430887595;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Gardening surprisingly easy. Mostly you abort the unwanted allowing conditions favorable to the desirables
1122383;1430887651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124445 @ 0.00021821 = 27.1551 BTC [-] {2} 
1122384;1430887846;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I seriously though wonder how a person could win a competition in a combat sport while retreating as often as Mayweather did
1122385;1430888147;*;BingoBoingo wonders how one can inspire призывник with such cowardice
1122386;1430888298;cazalla;BingoBoingo, pays well either way
1122387;1430888532;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Maybe? I remember though when boxing payperviews mean ears being bitten and brain damage occuring. Mayweather's style of retreating and punching pacman in the kidneys during midfight hugs was... different and probably deviant
1122388;1430888910;cazalla;BingoBoingo, well they don't get coked up for fights like tyson did for his so this is the resultl
1122389;1430888939;BingoBoingo;cazalla: No, this is a serious decline in American national character.
1122390;1430888966;BingoBoingo;The fucking welterweight champion is known more for "defense" than leaving welts?
1122391;1430889028;cazalla;they were charging $60 AUD for that fight.. almost $50 USD
1122392;1430889251;cazalla;anyway pacman got some good punches in which isn't bad considering he fought against a turtle
1122393;1430889631;BingoBoingo;Here it was $100 US
1122394;1430889657;BingoBoingo;And fucking Justin Beiber was part of Mayweather's posse walking out
1122395;1430889835;cazalla;heh, i saw that
1122396;1430890025;cazalla;just to restate.. http://agar.io/ is the shit.. this is like a better ver of mike_c's WoL, would be fun to place a wager and winner takes all in 5 or 10m rounds
1122397;1430890026;assbot;Agar.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ifj05s )
1122398;1430890120;cazalla;steam ver otw too http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=436491794
1122399;1430890121;assbot;Steam Greenlight :: Agar.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ifj5WO )
1122400;1430890359;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> perhaps then girls will also make best os demungers  << nah
1122401;1430890547;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> This year branching out. Gardens are more paper for less long term commitment. << basically bingo's become a mexican.
1122402;1430890581;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Gotta learn a better language some way
1122403;1430890606;mircea_popescu;but from the plants ?!
1122404;1430890631;mircea_popescu;and re marywether dude, isn't he like 52 ?
1122405;1430890747;BingoBoingo;mayweather is like 40
1122406;1430890763;BingoBoingo;Nah, you learn the language from the dudes who sell the plants
1122407;1430893751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00021774 = 13.2604 BTC [-]
1122408;1430894605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231600 @ 0.00021774 = 50.4286 BTC [-]
1122409;1430895505;cazalla;http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/doing-more-on-diversity.html
1122410;1430895506;assbot;Official Google Blog: Doing more on diversity ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpTtnr )
1122411;1430895642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18691 @ 0.00022027 = 4.1171 BTC [+]
1122412;1430896496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9305 @ 0.00021991 = 2.0463 BTC [-]
1122413;1430896526;mircea_popescu;cazalla somehow that shit manages to be pretty offensive.
1122414;1430896595;mircea_popescu;"Hire diverse Googlers: In the past, our university-focused hiring programs have relied heavily on a relatively small number of schools. But, we know those schools aren't always the most diverse. For example, while 14% of Hispanic college enrollment is at 4-year schools, Hispanics make up just 7% at the 200 most selective schools. In the past two years, we've doubled the number of schools where we recruit, to promote s
1122415;1430896595;mircea_popescu;tudent diversity."
1122416;1430896605;mircea_popescu;fuck you, be good instead. who the fuck cares how "diverse" good is.
1122417;1430897519;cazalla;you'd think they'd want the best man or woman for the job as it relates to their skills
1122418;1430897606;cazalla;reminds me of another article i read yesterday.. some chick will graduate fireman school despite failing because that's who you want to turn up in case of a fire.. someone unable to put it out
1122419;1430897633;cazalla;http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/woman-to-become-ny-firefighter-despite-failing-crucial-fitness-test/
1122420;1430897634;assbot;Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLMMw1 )
1122421;1430897672;cazalla;next you'll have firemen in mobility scooters.. BYO fire truck
1122422;1430898077;mircea_popescu;maybe she only goes to fires with no grades.
1122423;1430898097;mats;http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/05/lawyers-threaten-researcher-over-key-cloning-bug-in-high-security-lock
1122424;1430898098;assbot;Lawyers threaten researcher over key-cloning bug in high-security lock | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYBcxf )
1122425;1430898143;mircea_popescu;yeah, that'll fix it
1122426;1430898309;mats;can find these vulns with an ubertooth which is apparently sophisticated lab equipment that the public can't buy nao
1122427;1430898448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209762 @ 0.00022239 = 46.649 BTC [+] {2} 
1122428;1430898591;mircea_popescu;the problem with systems that don't have anyone in charge is that this sort of nonsense flourishes.
1122429;1430899427;mircea_popescu;MMA is the place where all of those bodies are landing. It might not be boxing, but boxing is there. And the grappling and kicking coaches want your help. Believe me, comparing notes with a ground fighter in 2013 is far better than arguing with the wannabe martial arts movie stars of the 1970s about their bizarre array of secret animal punches and their ability to levitate out of your way as they stole your life force
1122430;1430899427;mircea_popescu;and used it to cheat gravity.
1122431;1430899427;mircea_popescu;When I was the same age as the MMA athletes you are training all we had was silk-lined fantasy. Now there is a real sweaty reality in a cage near you, and you just might be able to help some hard working young wrestler who actually knows how to make weight, box, if only in spots. Even so, it�s still boxing, and it�s a fact, that most of the hands being taped today are being taped cage-side. You might-as-well wield
1122432;1430899429;mircea_popescu;the scissors.
1122433;1430899430;mircea_popescu;ah this guy.
1122434;1430899439;mircea_popescu;but yeah, boxing is pretty much dead. sorry BingoBoingo
1122435;1430899699;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2344&pr=1 <<< ahahaha what the shit
1122436;1430899700;assbot;JL: Emerald Eyes ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPAupK )
1122437;1430899706;mircea_popescu;the man got a purple belt in prose.
1122438;1430900564;mircea_popescu;!up btcdrak
1122439;1430900626;btcdrak;thank you. I just found this channel by following some links in the blocksize discussion on reddit.
1122440;1430900641;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1122441;1430900721;btcdrak;I would be super surprised if gavin's proposal gets through. seems like there is a lot of opposition from coredevs thankfully.
1122442;1430900741;mircea_popescu;either way.
1122443;1430901059;mircea_popescu;"Note that every honest person in Baltimore believes these riots were the first of many, and that the media and government�attributing the riots to the death of Freddie Gray�think that throwing some cops under the proverbial city bus will assuage black rage, when in reality, every government initiative that has contributed to the racial hatred in Baltimore is still ongoing. There will be more riots in Baltimore, pe
1122444;1430901059;mircea_popescu;rhaps purely-for-profit raids on retailers based around Halloween, or school events. As with the recent riots the aims will be largely racial purging and plunder, not protest."
1122445;1430901074;mircea_popescu;he even has a testable hypothesis! exciting.
1122446;1430901376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63400 @ 0.00021905 = 13.8878 BTC [-]
1122447;1430901404;mircea_popescu;"The Baltimore riots were fueled by cohesive large scale mobs exiting their criminal training ground, where they are prepared for a lifetime of illiteracy and incarceration: Baltimore City Schools. These riots only reached virulent levels during the week. The media claims that the riots calmed down after Friday because of the police indictments, but this was not so. Friday was as hot as any day of the riots other than
1122448;1430901404;mircea_popescu;Monday. The first riots on the Saturday following the death of Freddie Gray were not a fraction of what came on Monday after his funeral. Recall that all parties predicted that the funeral would calm tensions, not considering that Freddie Gray�s death was just an excuse to vent long standing hatreds, and that proper mass riots could not be organized until high school was in session. When another weekend rolled around
1122449;1430901405;mircea_popescu; there was no longer an ability to marshal large ghetto forces, absent their high school breeding grounds. The media coverage was a complete lie and a hoax, the rioters have been excused, and the race-purging strike teams in outlying areas ignored or covered up. During the school year attend such events in Baltimore only on the weekend. If they have a Friday night event, do not go. As this event is in August, I predict
1122450;1430901410;mircea_popescu; there will be minimal problems."
1122451;1430901412;mircea_popescu;fascinating.
1122452;1430901767;mircea_popescu;Finally, if the event is held between the 1st [SSI distribution] and the 16th [last EBT distribution] the ghetto will be flush with government money. Any event held after the 20th will be likely to draw criminal predators, mostly teens ranging away from the nest to fill their mother�s requests, such as, �Baby, get me a new purse�a nice leather one like those white ladies carry.�
1122453;1430901986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 271300 @ 0.00021905 = 59.4283 BTC [-]
1122454;1430902876;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2135&pr=0 << prolly guy's best article.
1122455;1430902877;assbot;JL: ‘Is This the Best Time To be Alive?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfKfgk )
1122456;1430904121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57838 @ 0.00021733 = 12.5699 BTC [-]
1122457;1430904201;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121907 <<< the original source doesn't mention crypto at all
1122458;1430904201;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 01:12:02; williamdunne: "France Restricts the Movement of Gold, Cash, & Crypto-Currencies"
1122459;1430904304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273256 @ 0.00021447 = 58.6052 BTC [-] {2} 
1122460;1430904548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173150 @ 0.00021386 = 37.0299 BTC [-]
1122461;1430907964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 331506 @ 0.0002171 = 71.97 BTC [+] {2} 
1122462;1430908696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 375047 @ 0.00021884 = 82.0753 BTC [+] {4} 
1122463;1430910435;jurov;http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/donald-trumps-hair-discovered-crawling-in-amazon/#WJH5EcblGeQxQ4jm.01
1122464;1430910437;assbot;Donald Trump’s hair discovered crawling in Amazon ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYUnH6 )
1122465;1430910587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215250 @ 0.00022049 = 47.4605 BTC [+] {2} 
1122466;1430911824;jurov;http://pypyjs.org/ python JITed into js my ass
1122467;1430911824;assbot;PyPy.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfC0iT )
1122468;1430912307;jurov;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-do-we-play-video-games-that-simulate-work one day we will have games that simulate programming...oh wait
1122469;1430912307;assbot;Why Do We Play Video Games That Feel Like Work? | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfDauE )
1122470;1430913942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88084 @ 0.00022373 = 19.707 BTC [+]
1122471;1430915467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183200 @ 0.00022373 = 40.9873 BTC [+]
1122472;1430918822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204100 @ 0.00022327 = 45.5694 BTC [-]
1122473;1430919754;mats;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/crude-rallies-again-with-price-of-wti-atop-61-2015-05-06
1122474;1430919756;assbot;Crude tops $62 for first time since December - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZbuJ2 )
1122475;1430919805;asciilifeform;218413.
1122476;1430919809;asciilifeform;'why do we play games that similate work' << 'we' l0l
1122477;1430919820;asciilifeform;*simulate
1122478;1430919914;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.techradar.com/us/news/computing-components/processors/the-end-of-an-era-as-chinese-company-mulls-plans-for-massive-amd-investment-1284519 << somehow i missed this one
1122479;1430919915;assbot;The end of an era as Chinese company mulls plans for massive AMD investment | TechRadar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZbQ25 )
1122480;1430919915;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1122481;1430920485;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1122482;1430920486;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000090.html
1122483;1430920486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZcSuZ )
1122484;1430920501;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (Theoretically, covers entire address space of process)
1122485;1430920511;asciilifeform;^ ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^^^^
1122486;1430920670;asciilifeform;^ on first sight, very perverse findings which appear to contradict those of ordinary 'valgrind'
1122487;1430921414;asciilifeform;... or maybe not
1122488;1430921421;asciilifeform;takes some effort to read this correctly.
1122489;1430921913;asciilifeform;'and the reason i believe they fought me so hard, and is a detail thats kind of hard to get through to reporters, is that the cylinders used an OTP memory, the issues cannot be fixed without a somewhat expensive exchange' -- from the locks article
1122490;1430921933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111003 @ 0.00022327 = 24.7836 BTC [-]
1122491;1430921950;asciilifeform;the imbeciles are phucked and their only recourse, as is now traditional, is to fud and lawyering
1122492;1430921970;davout;asciilifeform: am i correct in my understanding of the thermonuke patch that it will try to reverse-sync starting from any arbitrary block it receives?
1122493;1430921990;davout;or does it simply drop any block it receives and that doesn't chain on top of the current best?
1122494;1430922067;asciilifeform;davout: when gets a bastard block, it 1) drops 2) requests, from current sync node, blocks prior to it
1122495;1430922072;asciilifeform;recursive process.
1122496;1430922102;davout;ah ok, so it doesn't reverse-sync per se, but instead tries to get better matches
1122497;1430922106;asciilifeform;aha
1122498;1430922122;asciilifeform;what happens in the 'virginal' 0.5.3 is,
1122499;1430922127;davout;(it doesn't reverse-sync in the sense that it doesn't keep a partial tree it tries to reconnect to the currency known best tree)
1122500;1430922140;asciilifeform;1) 500 blocks are pulled from sync node on cold boot
1122501;1430922172;asciilifeform;2) after this, when bastard block comes in, the thing walks the orphanage and finds the start of the chain, and asks for its antecedents.
1122502;1430922182;asciilifeform;we don't have an orphanage any more
1122503;1430922192;asciilifeform;so our antecedent is always the most recent bastard.
1122504;1430922217;asciilifeform;if you can think of an algo which makes more sense than this, please write in
1122505;1430922241;asciilifeform;the current item was the simplest/most-kalashnikov
1122506;1430922297;davout;not sure i get "the thing walks the orphanage and finds the start of the chain"
1122507;1430922355;asciilifeform;davout: GetOrphanRoot
1122508;1430922431;asciilifeform;l0l, 4th google hit is my patch
1122509;1430922452;asciilifeform;(the 'orphanage burner' one)
1122510;1430922464;asciilifeform;as is the 5th
1122511;1430922469;asciilifeform;is this their ip-based diddling
1122512;1430922474;asciilifeform;or does anyone see same
1122513;1430922490;asciilifeform;3rd is jurov's viewer...
1122514;1430922495;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=GetOrphanRoot
1122515;1430922496;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: GetOrphanRoot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmzKJs )
1122516;1430922512;davout;ah i see
1122517;1430922526;davout;so the original behaviour was to actually reverse-sync
1122518;1430922555;lobbes;or does anyone see same << heh, I see the same
1122519;1430923275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 423918 @ 0.00021853 = 92.6388 BTC [-] {3} 
1122520;1430923622;asciilifeform;http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/6/8353549/edward-snowden-sculpture-fort-greene-park-brooklyn-new-york << l0ltr0nic
1122521;1430923624;assbot;A renegade sculptor has mounted a bust of Edward Snowden in a Brooklyn park | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmDniB )
1122522;1430923885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31879 @ 0.00021698 = 6.9171 BTC [-]
1122523;1430923988;lobbes;'Parks Department officials were unable to remove the bust initially, but arrived at noon to cover it with a tarpaulin'
1122524;1430925185;davout;danielpbarron: looking at your pogo docs, not sure how to perform step 4.1 u-boot compilation
1122525;1430925209;danielpbarron;you and me both :p
1122526;1430925245;davout;hehe
1122527;1430925276;davout;i've built the new kernel according to asciilifeform's instructions, including the v2 patches
1122528;1430925283;mod6;<+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (Theoretically, covers entire address space of process) << great work, asciilifeform. thanks for putting that together :]
1122529;1430925309;davout;from what i understand i need to replace u-boot on the pogo so that it'll load this new kernel over the network by using tftp
1122530;1430925338;davout;perplexed at the u-boot step, how do i actually get to asciilifeform's "(you -did- configure the u-boot to tftp by default, aha?)" ?
1122531;1430925370;danielpbarron;it comes with its own uBoot, which can be configured to load a kernel over the network
1122532;1430925379;mod6;I can't really check from here, but later tonight will give some updates as to how my v0.5.3.1+OrphanageBurner build is running.  last I saw, it was using quite a bit of available ram.  was >200`000 blocks, and still running, but that was lastnight.
1122533;1430925408;mod6;(and yeah, that's on a deb6 - x86_64 env)
1122534;1430925410;danielpbarron;but it does not come with the tool needed to do this, which is fw_printenv
1122535;1430925487;davout;danielpbarron: oic
1122536;1430925491;davout;so i found this -> http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
1122537;1430925493;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alx70K )
1122538;1430925539;davout;which is aimed at booting debian/alarm from an sdcard
1122539;1430925582;mod6;oh cool, i guess my pogo will be delivered tomorrow
1122540;1430925589;davout;i assume i can use the steps relevant to u-boot from there to get the correct version on the pogo and resume your instructions when that's done
1122541;1430925689;davout;danielpbarron: but i'm slightly confused at this whole thing, say i manage to flash the new uboot on the pogo, and set the correct variables with the new fw_printenv command that comes with the improved u-boot, and that with the correct settings the pogo will look for a kernel on the network at boot time, what's netcat for?
1122542;1430925962;davout;aah, reading the instructions once again, it starts to make sense
1122543;1430927559;scoopbot_revived;News! A not-so-new era begins in Alberta politics. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/06/a-not-so-new-era-begins-in-alberta-politics/
1122544;1430927624;danielpbarron;yeah netcat is not needed necessarily
1122545;1430927638;danielpbarron;i have a more condensed guide on the b-a wiki
1122546;1430927643;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/pogo
1122547;1430927644;assbot;pogo [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0CnDy )
1122548;1430927709;davout;danielpbarron: so looks like i managed to get the kernel loaded and starting
1122549;1430927735;danielpbarron;you used the qnology guide to get the uBoot thing working?
1122550;1430927736;davout;danielpbarron: looks like it hangs at "Starting kernel ...", is any output expected afterwards ?
1122551;1430927738;davout;http://dpaste.com/1D0E0EX.txt
1122552;1430927739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0CAqg )
1122553;1430927755;davout;yes, i got the u-boot working, see the output i get in netcat ^
1122554;1430927777;danielpbarron;netcat stops there, you shouldn't see anything else
1122555;1430927782;davout;ok good
1122556;1430927796;davout;the pogo seems to have a half green half red light
1122557;1430927797;danielpbarron;if you used ascii's thing, then it should have telnet built in
1122558;1430927815;davout;ah i see, i tried SSH'ing into it to no avail
1122559;1430927826;davout;yea, i used ascii's instructions and patches
1122560;1430927845;danielpbarron;he decided that since the thing has no RNG, ssh is a waste
1122561;1430927848;davout;aha, i'm the new pogo
1122562;1430927854;davout;which makes sense
1122563;1430927868;davout;ok that's really cool
1122564;1430927890;davout;so now i guess i just need to build the bitcoind release and put it on the pogo
1122565;1430927890;danielpbarron;you should be able to telnet in as root, password is probably also root or something
1122566;1430927907;davout;telnet without a username got me in as root
1122567;1430927913;danielpbarron;oh i think there is no password actuallly
1122568;1430927930;danielpbarron;yeah, it's as insecure as could be, because telnet shouldn't be enabled on the final product anyway
1122569;1430927942;davout;so now do i compile bitcoind right there? or should i somehow compile it on my local machine?
1122570;1430927954;danielpbarron;local machine for sure
1122571;1430927961;danielpbarron;it'll take forever on the pogo i think
1122572;1430927973;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 490 @ 0.0047648 = 2.3348 BTC [+] {3} 
1122573;1430927986;davout;ok, where would i find directions to compile it properly for the pogo?
1122574;1430927997;danielpbarron;i was able to compile bitcoind for a pogo from my gentoo laptop using crossdev
1122575;1430928027;davout;did you document it?
1122576;1430928029;danielpbarron;but that was a some time ago
1122577;1430928042;danielpbarron;that one is running on ArchLinux
1122578;1430928053;danielpbarron;i don't have good documentation for that, no
1122579;1430928066;davout;and since you mention the final product, what would the target procedure look like to configure a new pogo?
1122580;1430928107;danielpbarron;i would guess something like flashing the memory with a ramdisk image that has all the kernel userland and bitcoind already in there
1122581;1430928137;danielpbarron;pre-configured to look for a sata drive to format and mount as the datadir for bitcoind
1122582;1430928142;davout;but from my understanding a stock pogo won't let you simply boot from an arbitrary usb stick
1122583;1430928156;danielpbarron;it'll boot from the eeprom
1122584;1430928168;danielpbarron;(it can also boot from sata drive)
1122585;1430928179;davout;like out of the box?
1122586;1430928188;danielpbarron;and you can boot from usb, it just has to be the USB2 port on the top of the unit
1122587;1430928226;danielpbarron;i'm not sure if it can boot from sata out of the box; it's uBoot should be able to do it, but i don't know if it would need to be reconfigured
1122588;1430928234;davout;ah, so ultimately the procedure would be "acquire pogo, burn image on USB stick, insert SATA drive, insert flashed USB stick, power unit on" right?
1122589;1430928248;danielpbarron;not even
1122590;1430928267;danielpbarron;although that might also be handy for making lots in one pass
1122591;1430928278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 392600 @ 0.00021549 = 84.6014 BTC [-] {3} 
1122592;1430928290;danielpbarron;but you should be able to ssh into a new unit, download the image and flash it
1122593;1430928317;davout;i guess it really depends on whether we want to ship pre-configured units, or make an easy procedure available
1122594;1430928341;danielpbarron;defo the latter
1122595;1430928345;danielpbarron;maybe also the former
1122596;1430928357;davout;i see
1122597;1430928384;danielpbarron;the abiltity to audit the thing is one of the most important features
1122598;1430928395;davout;ok, i'm off for now, i'll get on cross-compiling bitcoind and getting it running on the pogo later
1122599;1430928396;davout;agreed
1122600;1430928548;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122390 << 'times have changed' ?? nah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSFQrPzSAnE
1122601;1430928548;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 05:09:26; BingoBoingo: The fucking welterweight champion is known more for "defense" than leaving welts?
1122602;1430928550;assbot;Muhammad Ali Dodges 21 Punches In 10 Seconds: Hilariously Funny! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0EqHw )
1122603;1430928624;pete_dushenski;http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/07/usa-shocks-intel-ban-on-china-xeon-supercomputers/
1122604;1430928627;assbot;Uncle Sam shocks Intel: Xeon Sales Ban for China Supercomputers ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0EBCN )
1122605;1430928700;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: kakobrekla any guess why assbot isn't picking up new post titles off of scoopbot_revived ??
1122606;1430928786;ben_vulpes;davout: there are buildroot scripts for the cross-compile on the mailing list
1122607;1430928829;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121956 << moar hearnesque willful ignorance.
1122608;1430928829;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 01:33:41; thestringpuller: http://gavinandresen.ninja/does-more-transactions-necessarily-mean-more-centralized << pete_dushenski gaving must have not seen your comments on your blog from yester-month
1122609;1430928851;pete_dushenski;"i've never heard of #b-a. mp who ?"
1122610;1430928871;pete_dushenski;unkosher ostriches with their heads in the sand, these guys.
1122611;1430929072;danielpbarron;!up xcpep_
1122612;1430929754;ben_vulpes;| |     | |     ->08.68% (67,108,864B) 0x470070: ThreadGetMyExternalIP(void*) (net.cpp:379) << that this is a thing cracks me up
1122613;1430929839;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what does "in lockstep" mean when you talk about running bitcoind and any potential replacements "in lockstep"?
1122614;1430930108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 366700 @ 0.00022241 = 81.5577 BTC [+] {3} 
1122615;1430930117;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes like processors on spacecraft
1122616;1430930121;mircea_popescu;throw an exception if they disagree
1122617;1430930131;mircea_popescu;cheap and effectual testing of critical stuff like this.
1122618;1430930248;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently they're at 3s. longsoon that is. ah, best laid out plans...
1122619;1430930468;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122488 << it does. also an explicit, painfully explicit, very very explicit, specific, nothing vague at all, nothing overlooked, specific, very explicit discussion of it would make an excellent blogpost.
1122620;1430930468;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 14:10:21; asciilifeform: takes some effort to read this correctly.
1122621;1430930544;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122491<< they are not fucked. we were always at war with eurasia. this is what they meant to do!
1122622;1430930544;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 14:19:10; asciilifeform: the imbeciles are phucked and their only recourse, as is now traditional, is to fud and lawyering
1122623;1430930613;mircea_popescu;every fucktarded girl i ever met growing up, the sort that never got anywhere either in the bed or in the forum, their entire lives, and ended up settling down with an alcoholic bum, each and every one had, without exception, the same answer to any instance where they had fucked up :
1122624;1430930620;mircea_popescu;"o no, that's what i had really meant to do!11"
1122625;1430930719;mircea_popescu;it's like a std, basically, they get it around puberty through apparent spontaneous generation.
1122626;1430930801;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122508 << yes. because for all the pretense of "development" and "progress" and "new versions" and of course "blockchain technologees" of the #bitcoin-dev muppet orphanage, THEY.HAVE.NOT.ACTUALLY.DONE.ANYTHING.
1122627;1430930801;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 14:27:11; asciilifeform: l0l, 4th google hit is my patch
1122628;1430930809;mircea_popescu;three years later, they have done NOTHING. nothing at all.
1122629;1430930848;mircea_popescu;polished all the fucking knobs and hanged scented car trees and chinatown windchimes from various nubbins is all.
1122630;1430930978;mircea_popescu;!up bluematt
1122631;1430930982;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust BlueMatt
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1122633;1430931019;mircea_popescu;!rate BlueMatt 1 one of the few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful.
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1122639;1430931137;mircea_popescu;BlueMatt ftr, you can self voice, it's explained here : http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1122640;1430931137;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qn5D4s )
1122641;1430931404;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122569 << omfg have some mercy. you don't wanna do THAT.
1122642;1430931404;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 15:59:02; davout: so now do i compile bitcoind right there? or should i somehow compile it on my local machine?
1122643;1430931587;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1122644;1430931700;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: xplicit, painfully explicit, very very explicit, specific... << imho it needs another couplea runs. i have a strong sense that something is missed
1122645;1430931722;mircea_popescu;at your leisure.
1122646;1430931732;ascii_field;mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122532 << are you running the original burner? or the thermonuke ?
1122647;1430931732;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 15:16:19; mod6: I can't really check from here, but later tonight will give some updates as to how my v0.5.3.1+OrphanageBurner build is running.  last I saw, it was using quite a bit of available ram.  was >200`000 blocks, and still running, but that was lastnight.
1122648;1430931736;mircea_popescu;and after, of course, the phuctor is started on processing gpg signs
1122649;1430931737;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1122650;1430931762;ascii_field;nein
1122651;1430931765;mircea_popescu;man...
1122652;1430931773;*;ascii_field currently mining some uranium
1122653;1430931820;mircea_popescu;stop fucking around with valgrind and whatnot omg.
1122654;1430931838;ascii_field;presently wishing to entice -other folks- to fuck around with it
1122655;1430931853;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you what you're enticing. you're enticing me to can the project.
1122656;1430931866;mircea_popescu;either process the queue or garbage collector gets it, tis that simple.
1122657;1430931874;ascii_field;why mircea_popescu so impatient.
1122658;1430931885;mircea_popescu;because god damned it there's a server sitting there.
1122659;1430931919;mircea_popescu;and i had the thing sitting on your own aws or w/e specifically so you get whatever out of your system before i moive it on real metal, so you don't waste its cycles.
1122660;1430931941;mircea_popescu;apparently a year wasn't enough, which means phuctor's going to hang out with the advertising site we had in short order.
1122661;1430931964;ben_vulpes;don't just let the capital equipment depreciate, now...
1122662;1430931974;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: want to volunteer ?
1122663;1430932023;ascii_field;sks is retarded, so i gotta write a slicer that parses the gpg blobs and reassociates the email/selfsig/pubkey fragments into usable key packets
1122664;1430932029;mircea_popescu;yes.
1122665;1430932079;ben_vulpes;where does one get one of these blobs?
1122666;1430932087;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current
1122667;1430932088;assbot;Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qn977b )
1122668;1430932090;ascii_field;for instance.
1122669;1430932092;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you think valgrinding bitcoind is sexier than fixing phuctor or something, but a) it is not, and moreover b) doing it while the other waits is actually negative, it's not even zero. moreover c) this nonsense is exactly how the power rangers got to be power rangers.
1122670;1430932128;ascii_field;not sexier, but had to be set going while i remembered wtf was going to do (was operating from notes scribbled during c3)
1122671;1430932147;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1122672;1430932201;ascii_field;at any rate, we oughta be cooking with gas before i turn in for bed tonight.
1122673;1430932211;mircea_popescu;that'd be splendid.
1122674;1430932235;ben_vulpes;blech
1122675;1430932311;mircea_popescu;i suppose "make a sane fucking export model" will be part of the ba sks server job.
1122676;1430932317;ascii_field;for the record, i'd rather wash my car than run (esp. read the output of) the valgrind. but who is going to do it if i didn't, l0l
1122677;1430932319;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, how's that thing going mats ?
1122678;1430932334;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there's an order in all things!!
1122679;1430932338;ascii_field;aha.
1122680;1430932372;nubbins`;hi
1122681;1430932376;mircea_popescu;hi nubs
1122682;1430932382;nubbins`;what's the word?
1122683;1430932390;mircea_popescu;logs!
1122684;1430932394;nubbins`;;/
1122685;1430932414;nubbins`;stan, one of these days i'll read up on valgrind and pick sense outta your last couple ML posts
1122686;1430932418;mircea_popescu;"shut up and copy the day's log in longhand" will be the new standard punishment
1122687;1430932431;nubbins`;i'm still waiting on someone to do up daily summaries
1122688;1430932447;mircea_popescu;sadly i don't think this is actually a possible task.
1122689;1430932447;ascii_field;nubbins`: everyone with the 'one of these days.' you're gonna make mircea_popescu's head explode.
1122690;1430932459;nubbins`;wunna deez days
1122691;1430932465;mircea_popescu;all the people who would have the intellectual capacity to do that worth a shit, we have better stuff to do with.
1122692;1430932483;nubbins`;too true
1122693;1430932499;mircea_popescu;so... this will only happen once we end up with a million kids we have to kill 100k off somehow,
1122694;1430932502;mircea_popescu;and that's how it's gonna be.
1122695;1430932517;nubbins`;oh hey alf, the troll moved out
1122696;1430932522;nubbins`;you'll be thrilled to hear
1122697;1430932524;ascii_field;just now ?
1122698;1430932526;mircea_popescu;no more chef cooking for you eh
1122699;1430932528;nubbins`;couple days ago
1122700;1430932537;ascii_field;left on own feet, or had to be physically ejected ?
1122701;1430932550;nubbins`;ascii_field i gave him walking papers, he acquiesced
1122702;1430932569;nubbins`;he threw all his bedding in the trash o.O
1122703;1430932587;nubbins`;i guess his new accomodations don't provide for sleep
1122704;1430932596;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122595 << iirc he wants to supply customers with units. which isn't such a bad plan in any sense. tho a different thing than what we were originally doing. but no reason they can't tandem.
1122705;1430932596;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 16:05:45; danielpbarron: maybe also the former
1122706;1430932617;nubbins`;anyway, done deal. now his old bedroom is a gloriously sun-lit paper printing studio.
1122707;1430932656;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/aQJWK8H
1122708;1430932657;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0No7F )
1122709;1430932704;mircea_popescu;check it out! looks just like a print shop
1122710;1430932762;nubbins`;those hanging pages are from a 1000-business-card job that i just finished up
1122711;1430932769;nubbins`;a thousand cards is a lot of cutting ;/
1122712;1430932833;nubbins`;o and the telco gave us a new phone number. SEX-4-ART.
1122713;1430932836;nubbins`;no joke
1122714;1430932883;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122612 << it's actually a fine entry point to explain to anyone why exactly tcp/ip is so broken. because this IS NOT a trivial task. the price for ipv4 and it's undocumented, buggy, slow and haphazardously ad-hoc nat-routing model is that you can't find out by inspecting yourself. the half-assed, quarter-baked lazy slothful and aol-windowesque implementation means that yo
1122715;1430932883;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 16:29:14; ben_vulpes: | |     | |     ->08.68% (67,108,864B) 0x470070: ThreadGetMyExternalIP(void*) (net.cpp:379) << that this is a thing cracks me up
1122716;1430932884;mircea_popescu;u can't simply dig hiostname, as plenty of machines don't have one. so whatcha gonna do ?
1122717;1430932934;ascii_field;mircea_popescu has it.
1122718;1430932991;mircea_popescu;and this is also a fine entry point for explaining to management noobs the meta point of why exactly a theoretical approach doesn't ever work. yes, you could read the tcp/ip spec and look for holes. those are the holes in the tcp/ip spec, not the holes in tcp/ip.
1122719;1430932998;mircea_popescu;it's horrible not so much for what it wants to be on paper,
1122720;1430933005;mircea_popescu;but for what its aspirations cause on the ground.
1122721;1430933006;ascii_field;and then the holes in the implementations...
1122722;1430933016;ascii_field;and the emergent crud from interplay of layers, etc
1122723;1430933035;nubbins`;wait now, who's hanging wind chimes from my what?
1122724;1430933065;mircea_popescu;so ima link this into the cfo/accountant discussion with Pierre_Rochard from yest.
1122725;1430933083;mircea_popescu;nubbins` apparently the word is out. you and your bizarre kink.
1122726;1430933091;nubbins`;matter of time, i guess
1122727;1430933116;nubbins`;incidentally i used to keep a blog on this fetlife-esque website years and years ago
1122728;1430933125;mircea_popescu;any good ?
1122729;1430933126;nubbins`;memories have been coming back
1122730;1430933130;nubbins`;yeah. lotta skin.
1122731;1430933135;nubbins`;privacy on actual lockdown
1122732;1430933150;mircea_popescu;(btw... fetlife scraping still ongoing. they "fixed" so many things meanwhile...)
1122733;1430933153;nubbins`;saw!
1122734;1430933176;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you know there's nothing shameful about being a slut.
1122735;1430933181;*;nubbins` nods sagely
1122736;1430933186;nubbins`;no need to tell me
1122737;1430933193;nubbins`;this site, iam.bmezine.com (still alive in a frankenstein-esque parody of its former self), was actually way ahead of its time
1122738;1430933216;nubbins`;you could set your profile as public or private
1122739;1430933239;nubbins`;then later they added a "tracker" feature that, when enabled, would give you a list of the usernames that have visited your page
1122740;1430933258;mircea_popescu;the way bmezine worked is that a large group of brown shit (random idiots mostly looking into an intersting path to killing themselves, a service boxing did for most of the 1900s, up to about the 90s) got some yellow shit interspersed. these are people who they themselves saw a little further than most.
1122741;1430933264;nubbins`;THEN they let you block people who used trackers on their own pages, etc etc
1122742;1430933280;mircea_popescu;to their reminescence, bmezine, ie, what they saw there then, was way ahead of its time. so would have anything else been, wherever they happened to look.
1122743;1430933285;mircea_popescu;and the rest are dead.
1122744;1430933295;nubbins`;whole thing was written in "powerbasic" which had the unfortunate side effect of all the URLs ending in .exe
1122745;1430933304;nubbins`;like /showprofile.exe?nubbins etc
1122746;1430933337;mircea_popescu;heh. powerball is a language now ? no wonder there's so many coders out there.
1122747;1430933388;nubbins`;as you'd imagine, iam.bmezine.com created an insular environment that convinced a lotta fucked up people that the fucked up things they wanted to do to themselves were acceptable
1122748;1430933402;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1122749;1430933425;nubbins`;the better to cry discrimination, &c
1122750;1430933455;nubbins`;anyway, sordid tale. large chunk of my youth. met a lotta friends and an almost-wife, lost not quite a pound of flesh but close enough to it
1122751;1430933476;nubbins`;founder ended up getting the site stolen from him by an ex, it went to shit, etc
1122752;1430933513;nubbins`;oh, there was this other feature.
1122753;1430933536;nubbins`;you could set your account so that users who hadn't made a blog post in __ months/weeks couldn't view your page
1122754;1430933550;nubbins`;all of these are just band-aids, obv
1122755;1430933557;nubbins`;but what an impressive array of band-aids they were
1122756;1430933566;nubbins`;and implemented in a timely manner!
1122757;1430933619;nubbins`;hmm. "I've got a weak spot for great branding, your company itself is a brand and it transfers so well into the work you do."
1122758;1430933623;mats;mircea_popescu: in the works, i hope to have deliverables ready by the end of this month. do you want me to rent a server to host the thing?
1122759;1430933630;nubbins`;^ email from a local
1122760;1430933680;nubbins`;also, this was amazing
1122761;1430933680;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1122762;1430933705;nubbins`;yesterday, the canadian province of alberta (canada's texas) elected a majority NDP (the leftmost party we've got) government
1122763;1430933713;nubbins`;truly bizarre
1122764;1430933779;mircea_popescu;mats wow impressive.
1122765;1430933786;mircea_popescu;and nah, you're getting one.
1122766;1430933813;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> founder ended up getting the site stolen from him by an ex, it went to shit, etc << you know the story of collarme ?
1122767;1430933818;nubbins`;naw
1122768;1430933830;mircea_popescu;ahaha. http://collarme.com/
1122769;1430933831;assbot;Where is Collarme? | Where is Collarme? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qnf5ox )
1122770;1430933878;mircea_popescu;this ex stole just the domain names. ps - if you're into "building an online business" - forget the idiots trying to push "compliance" because hey, they live off the usg dole so gotta pretend like the usg matters to even be able to get up in the morning.
1122771;1430933893;nubbins`;http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=5945
1122772;1430933894;assbot;Shannon Larratt Leaves ModBlog/BME | Warren Ellis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qnfibe )
1122773;1430933900;ben_vulpes;bizpartner's glider club is getting scammed with SEO
1122774;1430933907;mircea_popescu;exes are the real threat. they sunk a lot more ~profitable~ businesses than the various usg.agency constructs.
1122775;1430933909;ben_vulpes;someone's making and selling gift certificates on their behalf
1122776;1430933918;ben_vulpes;dudes at the field don't know the diff
1122777;1430933934;mircea_popescu;heh. this is also a lot more common than commonly known.
1122778;1430933949;mircea_popescu;"gift certificates" has been the primary way to move value from business to scammer since the 90s.
1122779;1430933953;mircea_popescu;not credit card fraud. this.
1122780;1430933966;nubbins`;i have maybe $300 in unspent gift cards in this house
1122781;1430933969;mircea_popescu;whether groupon (usg mafia) gets it or ru or cn mafia gets it... still gotten.
1122782;1430934019;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyway, only notable for the ending of the original post, "However this conflict is resolved, I now know that I cannot rely upon my former partner and dearest friend and in the following year may work to build a BDSM dating site that is run effectively, responsibly and for the benefit of its users, not as a personal kingdom."
1122783;1430934025;mircea_popescu;muppets got it exactly fucking backwards.
1122784;1430934056;nubbins`;heh
1122785;1430934078;nubbins`;BME worked as a personal kingdom
1122786;1430934084;nubbins`;failed as a committee-run thing
1122787;1430934093;mircea_popescu;doh.
1122788;1430934098;mircea_popescu;the us worked as a personal kingdom
1122789;1430934103;mircea_popescu;failed, as a committee run thing.
1122790;1430934111;ben_vulpes;most things do, if under competent kings right?
1122791;1430934117;mircea_popescu;right.
1122792;1430934140;mircea_popescu;you don't get to even hear about them otherwise. by the time you hear about amazon, or apple, or /we it's no longer on the table whether bezos is or is not competent.
1122793;1430934151;mircea_popescu;o wow, "He is the writer of the graphic novel RED, adapted into the film starring Bruce Willis and Helen Mirren." << how the fuck did i miss this. you seen it nubbins` ?
1122794;1430934173;nubbins`;mp that's a bio for warren ellis, not shannon larratt
1122795;1430934173;nubbins`;8)
1122796;1430934182;nubbins`;haven't seen it either way
1122797;1430934192;mircea_popescu;teh mironova chick definitely could do with some manhandling
1122798;1430934195;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1122799;1430934199;ascii_field;exes were sinking kingdoms and empires since t=-inf
1122800;1430934213;mircea_popescu;yup
1122801;1430934246;nubbins`;https://www.facebook.com/notes/lukas-lukas-zpira/interview-with-shannon-larratt-followed-by-rachel-larratt-the-non-interview/409086949252718
1122802;1430934247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0Qjx6 )
1122803;1430934254;nubbins`;^ publicly viewable, no acct reqd
1122804;1430934271;mircea_popescu;but anyway, moral being : forget about putting your time and effort into "compliance". for one thing it's stupid. for the other thing, who the fuck are they ?! and finally it's deliberately made to not be a satisfiable requirement. just there to soak up your time and resources.
1122805;1430934281;mircea_popescu;outright ignore "compliance", spend the time and resources on the harem instead.
1122806;1430934285;mircea_popescu;winning strat.
1122807;1430934356;mircea_popescu;(and no, i am not aware you can be a successful king without a harem. your gender is not particularly relevant, your sexual preferences are not particularly relevant either. but you will have a lot of intimate relationships with a lot of other people, who are comitted to you personally.)
1122808;1430934378;nubbins`;"One of the things I discovered is that if someone else has more money than you and are willing to spend it on lawyers, "right and wrong" are not very important!"
1122809;1430934387;mircea_popescu;doh.
1122810;1430934398;nubbins`;ah, here we go.
1122811;1430934398;mircea_popescu;fetlife bitterly discovered same recently. was kinda fun to watch.
1122812;1430934399;ben_vulpes;guns by any other name kill as well.
1122813;1430934401;nubbins`;"BME was hugely profitable. That said, because I trusted others to manage my finances, I was under the impression that BME was barely breaking even though it really was a license to print money. I was much more interested in BME on a creative level than a business level."
1122814;1430934417;nubbins`;that's the elevator version right there
1122815;1430934459;mircea_popescu;yeah, the funny thing about the human condition, in its fractally-deliberate misdesign, is that the slaves are altogether more likely to be creative than the masters.
1122816;1430934461;ben_vulpes;i wonder to what degree that describes burning man's finances.
1122817;1430934486;ben_vulpes;harem and slave are similar concepts in this model of "leadership"?
1122818;1430934493;mircea_popescu;which is  a fine entry point for explaining to the naive why exactly a properly explicit master-slave relationship is the best intimate arrangement available.
1122819;1430934519;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes similar but not identical, and the difference is way out of scope here.
1122820;1430934539;ben_vulpes;(harem member i suppose that i mean)
1122821;1430934550;mircea_popescu;(as the above explanation, consider moldbug's very valid discussion of the guy with the ring that could kill. he who is secure in his authority makes excellent leadership. he who is not - horribru)
1122822;1430934608;ascii_field;fnargl!
1122823;1430934615;ascii_field;his bulbous majesty!
1122824;1430934625;nubbins`;lel
1122825;1430934626;nubbins`;https://instagram.com/rachellarratt/
1122826;1430934628;assbot;Rachel Larratt (@rachellarratt) • Instagram photos and videos ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0QQ29 )
1122827;1430934646;mircea_popescu;and to do a meta point here, to go with the meta point above : this entire discussion is a fine point to explain to the managerially challenged why you can't "control the evaporation". where intelligent people lay, nubbins' lateral discussion of "bullshot nobody cares about" sparked stuff people do seem to care about.
1122828;1430934650;mircea_popescu;lotta win in laterality.
1122829;1430934668;nubbins`;"All I need is <username of my dog>, <my motorcycle>, and maybe a little adventure now and then."
1122830;1430934677;nubbins`;suspiciously absent from list of things she needs: her daughter o.O
1122831;1430934682;mircea_popescu;nubbins` is her nose big enough to qualify as a rachel ?
1122832;1430934687;nubbins`;no
1122833;1430934695;mircea_popescu;scam.
1122834;1430934795;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yeah him. and incidentally, this is the secular driver of the collapse in quality of life and everything else seen since the 1700s (it is a horrid collapse once you do inflation-adjustments) : back then leadership was secure, and therefore either good or motivated to improve, ever so marginally.
1122835;1430934812;mircea_popescu;today most models have insecure leadership, and so "corruption", which is NEVER a problem, ends up misrepresented as one.
1122836;1430934813;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this was 98% of mr mold's theme
1122837;1430934822;mircea_popescu;it's valid.
1122838;1430934825;ascii_field;aha.
1122839;1430934845;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the problem with yarvin was not the broad strokes, but all the empty mcdonalds wrappers he glued to them everywhere.
1122840;1430934846;ascii_field;it is obvious as daylight, to anyone who gives a damn
1122841;1430934863;ascii_field;what he found in the junkyard where he grew up - he glued, yes.
1122842;1430934886;mircea_popescu;i guess it's possible he's just a bodysnatcher victim, rather than outright ill intended.
1122843;1430934909;mircea_popescu;but this distinction without a difference /me can scarcely be interested in.
1122844;1430934917;mircea_popescu;maybe if he had nice tits and i was fucking her. maybe.
1122845;1430934969;ascii_field;famine victim.
1122846;1430935001;ben_vulpes;sounds familiar
1122847;1430935023;mircea_popescu;ascii_field let's play a game. i quote and you guess.
1122848;1430935049;ascii_field;shoot
1122849;1430935162;mircea_popescu;Yes, that's very pretty. I heard a story once. In fact, I've heard a lot of stories in my time. They went along with the sound
1122850;1430935162;mircea_popescu;of a tinny piano playing in the parlor downstairs."Mister, I met a man once when I was a kid," they'd always begin.
1122851;1430935268;ascii_field;twain ?
1122852;1430935273;mircea_popescu;hehe nope.
1122853;1430935278;ascii_field;who then
1122854;1430935309;mircea_popescu;a little known jew named epstein
1122855;1430935328;mircea_popescu;the wachowski brothers of the 40s, julius and phillip
1122856;1430935353;mircea_popescu;(it's from casablanca, bogart says it to the stupid priss w/e her name is)
1122857;1430935408;ascii_field;hm how's this plug in
1122858;1430935430;mircea_popescu;she was a "famine victim" too.
1122859;1430935454;ascii_field;famine victims do the stupidest imaginable shit, like eating dirt and sand, drinking sea water
1122860;1430935469;ascii_field;sometimes - nutritious insects in the dirt
1122861;1430935470;mircea_popescu;not all of them.
1122862;1430935613;ascii_field;<mircea_popescu> not all of them << the remaining - starve quietly, with honour ?
1122863;1430935643;mircea_popescu;the remaining never gave a shit in the first place.
1122864;1430935673;ascii_field;wai wat
1122865;1430935676;mircea_popescu;there's a reason nubbins` finds the mentally insane so fascinating. that reason is that he has the deep intuition that the only people worth the mention are the ones that don't actually care.
1122866;1430935688;ascii_field;paging herr limonov!
1122867;1430935712;ascii_field;'nuts are the only sane folks' - oldest meme in the book - not wrong, really, either
1122868;1430935718;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1122869;1430935751;mircea_popescu;ascii_field anyway, if it's not obvious, the tinny piano in the parlor downstairs explicitly says the woman's a whore.
1122870;1430935797;ascii_field;well yes
1122871;1430935830;mircea_popescu;she never actually confronts this, which is why To Have and Have Not is a much better movie than casablanca.
1122872;1430935873;mircea_popescu;it's also why it had to be made (it's quite obviously a remake of casablanca, without the "girl next door" slime befouling it). that point has to be addressed.
1122873;1430936035;nubbins`;so i have five bottles of neutral-pH bookbinding glue
1122874;1430936046;mircea_popescu;party ?
1122875;1430936051;nubbins`;cracked the seal on one today -- solid mass of rubberish white inside
1122876;1430936060;nubbins`;crack the seals on the other four -- same thing.
1122877;1430936096;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/BwIOrA2
1122878;1430936097;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0TdSB )
1122879;1430936127;nubbins`;so i call the supplier
1122880;1430936148;nubbins`;"yeah, we don't have any more in stock, and we're not expecting any more... we can give you a refund on thursday"
1122881;1430936175;mod6;ascii_field: I'm running with this patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150504/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke_2d219fdd1a0da960be38797566e9c0820df11ce6.patch
1122882;1430936176;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0Tnti )
1122883;1430936180;nubbins`;and that was the moment i said to myself "fuck currys, i'm ordering from talas from now on"
1122884;1430936207;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1122885;1430936230;ascii_field;mod6: aha i asked because you specified 'orphanage burner' - which was the 1st try of this
1122886;1430936237;mod6;OH
1122887;1430936239;mod6;my bad.
1122888;1430936256;mod6;didn't mean to confuse them.
1122889;1430936264;ascii_field;very different animals.
1122890;1430936270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209900 @ 0.00022117 = 46.4236 BTC [-] {2} 
1122891;1430936294;ascii_field;the thermonuker is (very tentatively) a candidate for merge.
1122892;1430936299;ascii_field;imho
1122893;1430936332;mircea_popescu;should really see what itproduces as a blockchain first. at a bare minimum
1122894;1430936336;ascii_field;aha
1122895;1430936350;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: which is why i took the time to set it going.
1122896;1430936452;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: take a few min. to read the patch, if you have not. the behaviour should be logically equivalent to virginal 0.5.3 with an orphanage of zero
1122897;1430936474;ascii_field;(or a freshly crashed and coldbooted one)
1122898;1430936481;mircea_popescu;i have.
1122899;1430936484;mircea_popescu;and i agree.
1122900;1430936492;mircea_popescu;nevertheless...
1122901;1430936496;*;ascii_field wishes to hear from other folks who have.
1122902;1430936929;mod6;and as far as valgrind, I'll do some stuff with it as I get through these other things.
1122903;1430937022;mod6;im through stage 1 of the gentoo stuff; but now need to document and get that published hopefully by the start of next week.  then need to get it setup for cross-compiling.
1122904;1430937066;mod6;I also want to focus on the testing of your patch ascii_field.  If it is to be merged, we must ensure that we do not regress.
1122905;1430937157;ascii_field;iirc we don't even have a uclibc build going.
1122906;1430937173;ascii_field;victory is far, very far.
1122907;1430937267;mod6;what needs to be done there?
1122908;1430937278;*;ascii_field does not yet know
1122909;1430937292;mod6;ah, ok.
1122910;1430937296;*;ascii_field has all 256 shiva hands full
1122911;1430937353;mod6;:]
1122912;1430937402;mod6;ahh, so this is for embedded systems -- to replace a bulky/asinine glibc?
1122913;1430937410;ascii_field;aha.
1122914;1430938161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00022044 = 12.7855 BTC [-]
1122915;1430938832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 248198 @ 0.00022529 = 55.9165 BTC [+] {3} 
1122916;1430938893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123119 @ 0.00022582 = 27.8027 BTC [+]
1122917;1430939259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139300 @ 0.00022631 = 31.525 BTC [+] {2} 
1122918;1430939310;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-four-points-of-this-morning-in-color-any-questions/ :D
1122919;1430939310;assbot;The four points of this morning, in color. Any questions ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1c6FO9F )
1122920;1430939327;nubbins`;<+ascii_field> iirc we don't even have a uclibc build going. <<< i was neck-deep in this before i got sidetracked by life
1122921;1430939353;nubbins`;at some point i'll get back into it
1122922;1430939387;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122689
1122923;1430939387;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 17:14:07; ascii_field: nubbins`: everyone with the 'one of these days.' you're gonna make mircea_popescu's head explode.
1122924;1430939522;mircea_popescu;!up dgenr8
1122925;1430939557;mircea_popescu;!up dgenr8
1122926;1430940120;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122762 << scoopy counts as logs too y'know. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122543
1122927;1430940120;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 17:35:05; nubbins`: yesterday, the canadian province of alberta (canada's texas) elected a majority NDP (the leftmost party we've got) government
1122928;1430940120;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 15:52:39; scoopbot_revived: News! A not-so-new era begins in Alberta politics. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/06/a-not-so-new-era-begins-in-alberta-politics/
1122929;1430940140;nubbins`;haw
1122930;1430940163;pete_dushenski;also, article updated with... yet another personal connection to ndp.
1122931;1430940192;pete_dushenski;i wouldn't say i'm ashamed, but my goodness does socialism run deep in my veins.
1122932;1430940203;mircea_popescu;kinda what being a jew is.
1122933;1430940222;pete_dushenski;the lulz then ? this is on the ukrainian orthodox side.
1122934;1430940242;pete_dushenski;i'm getting hit both ways.
1122935;1430940246;pete_dushenski;no way out !
1122936;1430940250;mircea_popescu;basically, jews came up with the first social security system. this, cca 2000 ad.
1122937;1430940252;mircea_popescu;bc*
1122938;1430940259;mircea_popescu;christians then imported it
1122939;1430940261;pete_dushenski;sure, taking the sabbath
1122940;1430940283;mircea_popescu;nah, not just that. having kids eat at different houses each day so they could stay in school ?
1122941;1430940287;mircea_popescu;have debts periodically reset ?
1122942;1430940288;mircea_popescu;etc.
1122943;1430940298;pete_dushenski;ah yes, jubilee
1122944;1430940316;mircea_popescu;(note incidentally that the ancient superset of family life - each kid eats with his mother - is harem life - each kid eats with all the mothers)
1122945;1430940324;pete_dushenski;what's the story on the kids eating around ? first i've heard of it.
1122946;1430940325;mircea_popescu;this is how the jews thought best to prepare elites.
1122947;1430940339;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what do you think yeshiva was originally ?
1122948;1430940348;mircea_popescu;this arrangement.
1122949;1430940369;pete_dushenski;so seven different households, weekly rotation ?
1122950;1430940391;mircea_popescu;more like 30 or w/e
1122951;1430940406;mircea_popescu;that's how student = vagabond even became a hting.
1122952;1430940438;pete_dushenski;aha. and this yeshivic arrangement is part of social security as well ?
1122953;1430940455;mircea_popescu;well isn't it ?
1122954;1430940463;mircea_popescu;"govt" gives you a meal ticket.
1122955;1430940476;mircea_popescu;the boys aren't expected to SEDUCE those married women and OVERPOWER their husbands, are they ?
1122956;1430940488;pete_dushenski;aha or "community" feeds
1122957;1430940503;pete_dushenski;surely not.
1122958;1430940523;pete_dushenski;but if they do, a man is he !
1122959;1430940572;mircea_popescu;hardly. more like an inhuman force of nature that has the potential to be massively disruptive and interfacing him to the village may well cost more than it's worth.
1122960;1430940642;pete_dushenski;so a rotating set of meals as a test, a benchmark, to ensure cohesion and the integrity of the social fabric.
1122961;1430940677;mircea_popescu;no, just, to make taxation bearable and spending of public funds effectual.
1122962;1430940750;pete_dushenski;and if boy is not worth it ? well what of him ?
1122963;1430940835;mircea_popescu;this is how boy becomes the castrated sort of cvasi-intellectual jewish world always produced. the women love the style because it flatters their inferiority complex, the men tolerate it because they don't like fighting (or think they don't, because they grew up the same way)
1122964;1430940932;pete_dushenski;and what of the boys who don't stay or won't be castrated ? the ones who seduce and overpower ?
1122965;1430940986;mircea_popescu;like... who ?
1122966;1430941021;mircea_popescu;im sure they have excellent personal histories. but, much like in the case of the messiah you hadn't heard of, the "culture" or w/e it is fails to meaningfully represent them.
1122967;1430941031;mircea_popescu;(this is ITS failure, try it as it might to misrepresent it as theirs)
1122968;1430941198;pete_dushenski;so spinoza, einstein, maimonides, freud, bohr aren't meaningfully represented ?
1122969;1430941213;kakobrekla;http://www.iflscience.org/japan-engineers-design-robotic-bear-to-aid-in-assisted-suicide/
1122970;1430941215;assbot;Japan Engineers Design Robotic Bear to aid in Assisted Suicide - IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6hdz7 )
1122971;1430941225;mircea_popescu;o.O
1122972;1430941228;kakobrekla;>SeppuKuma also offers 23 very different methods one can choose to end their life, including Everlasting Sleep (lethal injection), Pillow Kisses (suffocation), Peaceful Breath (helium asphyxia) and Sleepy time Hug which is where the robotic bear strangles its partner until their pulse stops for 15 minutes.
1122973;1430941231;kakobrekla;hard call
1122974;1430941249;mircea_popescu;wow.
1122975;1430941266;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski who the hell's any of these dudes overpower ?
1122976;1430941276;mircea_popescu;take einstein. he died lieing about his gfs. didja get that bit in the log ?
1122977;1430941302;pete_dushenski;hm yes.
1122978;1430941359;mircea_popescu;what overpower is this /
1122979;1430941359;nubbins`;pillow kisses
1122980;1430941366;nubbins`;nb
1122981;1430941379;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu we might need to go back to the maccabees for a proper example.
1122982;1430941398;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no fucking to death, amazingly enough
1122983;1430941398;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1122984;1430941418;nubbins`;"in this method, a pillow softly kisses you as your body thrashes wildly until brain death occurs"
1122985;1430941527;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Mercedes-snowed-over-May-6-2015-e1430941436595.jpg << ndp wins. snow day immediately thereafter. god cackles.
1122986;1430941528;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrzwfX )
1122987;1430941614;nubbins`;hmm, i ordered that glue in february. maybe it froze during transit.
1122988;1430941627;jurov;you collectively forgot to thank Him He did not make you women
1122989;1430941653;mircea_popescu;i think i'd have had a ball as a woman.
1122990;1430941724;trinque;nubbins`: ndp's the one shouting about taxing the rich more?
1122991;1430941762;pete_dushenski;trinque yup.
1122992;1430941826;nubbins`;that'd be them
1122993;1430941838;trinque;that'll work; good for them
1122994;1430941847;nubbins`;ehhhh
1122995;1430941851;nubbins`;i don't think it will
1122996;1430941874;nubbins`;but i guess we'll see
1122997;1430941881;pete_dushenski;ndp = boost corporate taxes from 10 to 12%, increase min. wage to $15/hr, 12% tax rate on income between $125,000 to $150,000; 13% on income between $150,000 to $200,000; 14% between $200,000 and $300,000 and 15% over $300,000, all up from 10% flat provincial tax
1122998;1430941899;pete_dushenski;federal is still stepped, alberta WAS the only province with flat income tax.
1122999;1430941902;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works. when you're out of money, you find someone who has some and either steal or beg for it.
1123000;1430941904;nubbins`;meanwhile here in twodogland, HST just went up 2%
1123001;1430941915;pete_dushenski;nubbins` gross.
1123002;1430941927;nubbins`;we found some oil and it went to our heads
1123003;1430941959;nubbins`;and danny millions sold us yet another boondoggle in the form of muskrat falls
1123004;1430941964;nubbins`;onward through the fog!
1123005;1430941969;pete_dushenski;jurov at least the new premier is happy to be a woman.
1123006;1430942012;trinque;mircea_popescu: rich people have literally infinite money
1123007;1430942015;trinque;and after all they're just sitting on it
1123008;1430942035;mircea_popescu;for the record, laratt as glider gets pretty thoroughly routed on http://www.metafilter.com/49480/I-Pledge-Allegiance-to-the-Confederate-States#1222181 and subsequent
1123009;1430942038;assbot;I Pledge Allegiance to the Confederate States... | MetaFilter ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6iPZG )
1123010;1430942054;mircea_popescu;i should hope the man's mental processes weren't as disordered in all fields as he displays here.
1123011;1430942073;nubbins`;mircea_popescu zentastic.com, see for yourself
1123012;1430942096;nubbins`;(tldr: mostly, yup.)
1123013;1430942199;scoopbot_revived;News! The four points of this morning, in color. Any questions ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-four-points-of-this-morning-in-color-any-questions/
1123014;1430942281;mircea_popescu;lol wb scoopbot_revived . apparently it does catchup work now, which is great.
1123015;1430942391;pete_dushenski;scoopy still doesn't talk to assbot...
1123016;1430942401;pete_dushenski;for titles.
1123017;1430942438;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski what do you mean ?
1123018;1430942462;nubbins`;i had no idea how many github repositories are stuffed with copyrighted fonts
1123019;1430942468;nubbins`;o.O
1123020;1430942495;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu upon review of scoopbot_revived's exquisite design, which includes the titles, nothing !
1123021;1430942517;mircea_popescu;"Sure, we can all agree that the assumptions made about the nature of blacks at the time was wrong, but that doesn't give us the right to condemn slave owners who didn't know any better. We don't condemn cave people for eating uncooked meat just because they hadn't discovered fire yet, do we?"
1123022;1430942518;mircea_popescu;ahaha epic.
1123023;1430942520;trinque;nubbins`: that's the accepted way to find fonts among designers these days
1123024;1430942530;trinque;ext:ttf site:github.com derpy font
1123025;1430942534;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, i just had a very bloody steak. must be because i've not yet discovered how to make beef unedible.
1123026;1430942534;trinque;teh googles
1123027;1430942565;nubbins`;otf baby!
1123028;1430942593;nubbins`;ttf is vulgar
1123029;1430942605;*;trinque is not a designer
1123030;1430942615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204668 @ 0.00022041 = 45.1109 BTC [-] {2} 
1123031;1430942665;*;jurov recently embarked on a journey to obtain a "Garamond" which was supposed to be publicly licensed and available
1123032;1430942686;jurov;nope. had to manually patch "GaramondNo8" ttf files
1123033;1430942708;nubbins`;garamond is nice.
1123034;1430942754;*;nubbins` uses adobe version ;/
1123035;1430942877;jurov;https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434262 gory details
1123036;1430942880;assbot;Bug 434262 – media-fonts/urwvn-fonts - wrong license due to vn garamond ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6k7Up )
1123037;1430943183;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1123038;1430943200;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122989 << l0l - how about as an elephant? eagle ?
1123039;1430943200;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 19:47:33; mircea_popescu: i think i'd have had a ball as a woman.
1123040;1430943215;ascii_field;what algo one even uses to answer this hypothetical.
1123041;1430943334;nubbins`;heh
1123042;1430943346;nubbins`;I'D HAVE HAD A BALL AS AN EAGLE
1123043;1430943354;nubbins`;this is prob not untrue
1123044;1430943469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92400 @ 0.00022024 = 20.3502 BTC [-]
1123045;1430943614;jurov;guess imma open another bugreport. i tried what's there in the urwvn-fonts versio
1123046;1430943625;jurov;package.. and it's damn ugly
1123047;1430943896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174600 @ 0.00021938 = 38.3037 BTC [-] {2} 
1123048;1430944384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144306 @ 0.00022384 = 32.3015 BTC [+]
1123049;1430944628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00022384 = 18.3773 BTC [+]
1123050;1430945107;danielpbarron;!up schmidty
1123051;1430945166;trinque;re: font thread, anyone have a monospaced font with decent word shape?
1123052;1430945184;trinque;I'm using terminus atm with the letter spacing cranked down a bit, works ok
1123053;1430945361;fluffypony;http://www.globalpost.com/article/6537732/2015/05/04/moldova-protest-stolen-1-billion
1123054;1430945362;assbot;Someone stole $1 billion from Moldova. That's an eighth of its GDP | GlobalPost ... ( http://bit.ly/1byCSCg )
1123055;1430945362;fluffypony;lol
1123056;1430945457;trinque;???Our country is a poor and agrarian country,??? he told GlobalPost on Monday. ???But it???s home to decent people who want their country to flourish, to be closer to European standards, and for it to find its economic niche alongside the European Union.??? << lol europe pls halp
1123057;1430945486;danielpbarron;!up schmidty
1123058;1430945488;trinque;is this the only political issue in the region, whether to be eaten by the EU or Russia?
1123059;1430945634;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/de-ce-coruptia-nu-va-putea-fi-niciodata-eliminata/ << any interest in translating this for the non-romanian-speakers like me ?
1123060;1430945635;assbot;De ce coruptia nu va putea fi niciodata eliminata on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDjMY )
1123061;1430945647;pete_dushenski;if not, i'd be willing to take a hack at it.
1123062;1430945654;trinque;and what I wonder is whether to expect a war over the partitioning of eastern europe, or whether the basic agreement on who gets what has already been made
1123063;1430945659;trinque;I could easily see the latter
1123064;1430945676;pete_dushenski;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/150506013759601.html << for poor bingoboingo.
1123065;1430945678;assbot;Pacquiao sued by fans for concealing injury - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDqYK )
1123066;1430945699;danielpbarron;!up schmidty
1123067;1430945736;pete_dushenski;trinque deal already made between germany and russia ? you think ?
1123068;1430945788;danielpbarron;schmidty, how did you find this place?
1123069;1430945795;trinque;pete_dushenski: dunno what I think, asking the question though. I'm not well informed on eastern european politics.
1123070;1430945837;trinque;my inclination is to believe all these bastards running the largest socialist states talk to each other
1123071;1430945844;schmidty;saw a provocative looking comment about the blocksize and i am falling down a rabbit hole now
1123072;1430945854;jurov;there were lots of such deals, most recent: http://www.globalpost.com/article/6537732/2015/05/04/moldova-protest-stolen-1-billion
1123073;1430945855;assbot;Someone stole $1 billion from Moldova. That's an eighth of its GDP | GlobalPost ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDHeq )
1123074;1430945861;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
1123075;1430945862;assbot;Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDHLh )
1123076;1430945865;jurov;sry i meant this
1123077;1430945891;jurov;but russia very resents and already violated it by annexing crimea
1123078;1430945949;jurov;except they did not violate it, but these kiev nazis
1123079;1430945961;jurov;etc.etc.
1123080;1430945986;trinque;that seems to be the issue looking from far outside
1123081;1430946005;trinque;after the USSR collapse, all these fragments of the USSR military left outside the border of russia
1123082;1430946022;trinque;and russians that migrated outside russia
1123083;1430946050;trinque;so the cynic in me says the whole nato/russia game is merely ironing out the details of the new russian borders, considering the above
1123084;1430946067;ascii_field;trinque: in all cases but ua, accurate. the bulk of ua, on the other hand, was created by hruschev with a pencil
1123085;1430946072;ascii_field;the russians - did not move.
1123086;1430946075;ascii_field;map - moved.
1123087;1430946140;jurov;and tatars were moved, too
1123088;1430946149;trinque;ascii_field: ah right, land was gifted to "ukraine"
1123089;1430946152;ascii_field;when demented premier moves the map - ok. when usg moves the map (independence 'referendum') - also ok. when ru moves - somehow not.
1123090;1430946194;pete_dushenski;to the enemy, your power is never 'ok'
1123091;1430946213;pete_dushenski;'power isn't how the world works!'
1123092;1430946234;pete_dushenski;it works my going on between two ferns with zach g.
1123093;1430946241;ascii_field;stalin was a pathologically forgiving fella.
1123094;1430946244;pete_dushenski;and holding seflie sticks.
1123095;1430946260;ascii_field;all the folks who helped the germans do their thing - not one in ten thousand answered with his skin.
1123096;1430946268;ascii_field;and now fellate usg.
1123097;1430946291;pete_dushenski;hm. stalin painted as being too forgiving. that's a new one.
1123098;1430946315;ascii_field;very forgiving. had temp. moratorium on death penalty after ww2, even.
1123099;1430946328;ascii_field;(minus nuremberg folks & vlasov's army)
1123100;1430946397;pete_dushenski;who other than vlasov's army helped germans ? and why were they spared ?
1123101;1430946407;trinque;ascii_field: does make all of it sound like russia's trying to maintain form, while nato's trying thwart this as it can
1123102;1430946433;trinque;*trying to
1123103;1430946483;jurov;alf some time ago explained russia needs buffer zone between itself and eu/nato. and that by any costs.
1123104;1430946507;ascii_field;jurov: more basic than this - needs to not have u.s. nukes across the street (ua, pl, etc)
1123105;1430946514;ascii_field;just as usa did not like them in cuba
1123106;1430946536;ascii_field;how much would usa like ru tank corps 'training mission' in mexican border weekly ?
1123107;1430946539;jurov;yes, only chineses allowed
1123108;1430946550;jurov;and pakistani
1123109;1430946554;jurov;and iran eventually
1123110;1430946568;ascii_field;last time cn had major shenanigans on ru border, there was a mini-war
1123111;1430946571;ascii_field;(damansk)
1123112;1430946578;jurov;ascii_field: they do have stuff in nikaragua
1123113;1430946593;ascii_field;ru?
1123114;1430946597;jurov;yes
1123115;1430946598;ascii_field;even in cuba, until late '90s, they had
1123116;1430946602;ascii_field;then went broke
1123117;1430946636;jurov;and why are defensive radar/anti-missile systems not ok then?
1123118;1430946642;jurov;in central eu
1123119;1430946654;ascii_field;ask usa why they are not ok in cuba
1123120;1430946661;trinque;doesn't seem to be a question of "ok"
1123121;1430946680;trinque;more like one of those ratcheting ties for a truck load
1123122;1430946711;jurov;ru ever tried to ship defensive systems to cuba?
1123123;1430946715;ascii_field;aha.
1123124;1430946735;ascii_field;thing is, 'defensive' is a deceptive word here
1123125;1430946757;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Athletes compete injured all the time.
1123126;1430946771;ascii_field;a machine that lets you detect other fella's rockets 5sec earlier, is really as much a lethal weapon as a nuke per se
1123127;1430946790;trinque;ascii_field: sure, and an anti-missile missile launcher can probably fire the other kind too, right?
1123128;1430946793;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo for sure. no such thing as perfect health for athletes.
1123129;1430946824;trinque;"don't worry, this is only an anti-gunman gun"
1123130;1430946828;trinque;oh good.
1123131;1430946832;BingoBoingo;Now denying the ketorolac shot, far bigger issue
1123132;1430946869;ascii_field;trinque: basic idea is that anything that potentially tips balance of thermonukefest in your favour, is an act of aggression from the other fella's pov
1123133;1430946905;ascii_field;and that this is perfectly pedestrian fact, regardless of whether you like usg or putin or kim jong un or hitler
1123134;1430946910;trinque;of course
1123135;1430946927;trinque;also stands to reason that I can lie and say my nuke installations are all merely anti-ICBM installations
1123136;1430946927;jurov;ascii_field: you know what is the only possible response to such doctrine?
1123137;1430946940;jurov;trying to bleed ru out, again
1123138;1430946945;ascii_field;jurov: sure
1123139;1430946952;ascii_field;what other could there be.
1123140;1430946954;BingoBoingo;;;google Nike Hercules
1123141;1430946956;gribble;Ed's Nike Missile Web Site: <http://ed-thelen.org/>; MIM-14 Nike Hercules - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-14_Nike_Hercules>; Project Nike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Nike>
1123142;1430946965;BingoBoingo;^ trinque Nike for anti-Bomber duty
1123143;1430946966;trinque;we're an odd species
1123144;1430946979;BingoBoingo;*Nuke
1123145;1430947010;trinque;imagine another one came along and saw us all with nukes pointed everywhere, and it wanted the planet
1123146;1430947013;ascii_field;eltsin died, ru spat out the usg cock, and is to bleed for this, yes
1123147;1430947022;trinque;just fake a few nuke radar signatures and boom, planet fumigated
1123148;1430947042;trinque;from an external threat perspective we're as weak as could be
1123149;1430947137;trinque;let rama zip through the solar system once and then ask me how much I give a shit what the border of transnistria is
1123150;1430947173;ascii_field;very easy to not give a fuck about a border that isn't through your house.
1123151;1430947255;jurov;this is not only your house
1123152;1430947289;ascii_field;aha it's also hitler's.
1123153;1430947293;ascii_field;'learn to share,' he will say.
1123154;1430947312;jurov;i see everyone who is not you is hitler
1123155;1430947396;ascii_field;obamitler
1123156;1430947421;ascii_field;(next year - clitler!)
1123157;1430947442;trinque;heh we could've had mitler
1123158;1430947470;*;trinque is going to need to move back to TX during clitler; they'll be going apeshit over it
1123159;1430947933;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122855 <<< sisters now
1123160;1430947933;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 18:02:08; mircea_popescu: the wachowski brothers of the 40s, julius and phillip
1123161;1430947963;jurov;https://dennikn.sk/124574/shooty-stalin-a-hitler/?ref=mpm heh "they like you in your country?"
1123162;1430947963;assbot;Shooty: Stalin a Hitler ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFXD5z )
1123163;1430948512;trinque;BingoBoingo: just read that page; sounds like yeah, can be used for either surface->air or surface->surface
1123164;1430948519;trinque;the propaganda around this shit is thick.
1123165;1430948533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 290850 @ 0.00021998 = 63.9812 BTC [-] {2} 
1123166;1430948557;trinque;so rolling from a defensive use to offensive is a matter of loading ammo, not replacing the gun
1123167;1430948565;pete_dushenski;'gtbc' update : cantor fitzgerald has a 100 share buy order for at $25.00. 52wk range: $37.98 - $94.86. heh.
1123168;1430948570;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu key blaster is operational
1123169;1430948571;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1123170;1430948578;trinque;why the fuck wouldn't russia think we eventually intend to first-strike them
1123171;1430948583;BingoBoingo;trinque: But, the range of the nike is rather short. St Louis's Nikes couldn't hit Chicago and Vice Versa.
1123172;1430948583;pete_dushenski;'gbtc'*
1123173;1430948588;cazalla;danielpbarron, did bravetheworld end up naming the people she references in her article?
1123174;1430948629;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu a good fraction of the existing db overlaps with the first coupla-1000 of the dump
1123175;1430948630;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1123176;1430948633;danielpbarron;cazalla, nope not yet
1123177;1430948644;ascii_field;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
1123178;1430948644;assbot;    So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX3RiW )
1123179;1430948647;danielpbarron;although her point #5 makes me suspect it is max keiser or something
1123180;1430948761;pete_dushenski;zynga lays off 364 people, loses a penny a share, stock up 7%. farmville bringing in 1/4 what is was 2 years ago.
1123181;1430948790;cazalla;danielpbarron, i think max and stacy are utter trash
1123182;1430948811;danielpbarron;me too
1123183;1430948819;cazalla;anyway.. i think bravetheworld was warned about the alex jones types
1123184;1430948824;trinque;ascii_field: pretty cool, and thanks for providing that
1123185;1430948903;danielpbarron;warned when? by who?
1123186;1430948941;cazalla;i told her in here like a year ago
1123187;1430949106;BingoBoingo;Ah, the Phuctor is being fed!
1123188;1430949386;pete_dushenski;http://karakullake.blogspot.ca/2015/05/22-countries-great-britain-did-not.html
1123189;1430949388;assbot;Tamerlane's Thoughts: 22 countries Great Britain did not invade ... ( http://bit.ly/1AG1rE2 )
1123190;1430949484;trinque;pete_dushenski: heh, so many of those are "landlocked, why bother"
1123191;1430949563;pete_dushenski;mebbe for the sake of completeness ? if the brits were detail-obsessed nuts, they'd leave no stone unturned.
1123192;1430949574;pete_dushenski;not that they were exactly half-assed.
1123193;1430949907;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Keyblaster seems to have paused
1123194;1430949917;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i know
1123195;1430949921;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: adding error detect
1123196;1430949922;BingoBoingo;k
1123197;1430950252;BingoBoingo;Once the number of keys gets up there I'm writing this up as news
1123198;1430950289;danielpbarron;!up schmidty i found this place when i was reading up on scams on the forums. MPOE-PR ftw!
1123199;1430950411;pete_dushenski;https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37443/the-other-investors << moar garza, in case anyone's bored.
1123200;1430950414;assbot;The Other investors | HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1AG3s2O )
1123201;1430950631;pete_dushenski;"Thanks for ruining my first crypto experience everyone involved! I'll still be around like Jerry Springers audience just to ooh and ahhh and yell punch that bit**from time to time." << some poor commenter.
1123202;1430950770;pete_dushenski;in other news, "Netanyahu's right-wing Likud sealed an agreement with ultranationalist Jewish Home, which advocates annexation of parts of occupied territory Palestinians seek for a state."
1123203;1430950853;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu ERROR: certificate common name “keys.mattrude.com” doesn’t match requested host name “keyserver.mattrude.com” << when fetching fresh sks from dulap
1123204;1430950854;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1123205;1430950858;ascii_field;mega-ftmeade-l0l ?
1123206;1430950960;pete_dushenski;!s spgnux
1123207;1430950961;assbot;0 results for 'spgnux' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spgnux
1123208;1430950976;pete_dushenski;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/06/us-china-software-idUSKBN0NQ2A220150506
1123209;1430950977;assbot;      Tea to tech: China's cybersecurity push sparks a 'gold rush'| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPloiw )
1123210;1430951019;pete_dushenski;"Last November, the 49-year old entrepreneur, who has no technology background, strode into a Beijing ballroom to pitch his latest made-in-China product: SPGnux, a Linux-based operating system he says could replace Microsoft Corp's Windows."
1123211;1430951034;pete_dushenski;today spgnux is in 1600 chinese gov offices.
1123212;1430951792;jurov;pity the did not adopt and finish reactos.. would like to see utter panic at m$
1123213;1430951797;jurov;*they
1123214;1430951821;jurov;if there was winxp drop replacement
1123215;1430951967;danielpbarron;!up xcpep-mobile hi who are you?
1123216;1430952072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95700 @ 0.00022135 = 21.1832 BTC [+]
1123217;1430952259;danielpbarron;!up schmidty figure out that GPG yet?
1123218;1430952282;schmidty;danielpbarron yep, getting into wot now
1123219;1430952534;schmidty;!register 1CF87B48F45FECB1C31625988C3B6B1EED7494DF
1123220;1430952534;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 1CF87B48F45FECB1C31625988C3B6B1EED7494DF. This may take a few moments.
1123221;1430952534;assbot;Key ED7494DF / "Mike Schmidt <schmidty@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
1123222;1430952534;assbot;Registration successful.
1123223;1430952588;cazalla;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/unless-everyone-using-bitcoin-makes-this-radical-change-the-currency-will-die (block size limit rubbish)
1123224;1430952589;assbot;Unless Everyone Using Bitcoin Makes This Radical Change, the Currency Will Die | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSVGTr )
1123225;1430952677;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.schmidty.1:80a6966e28d66c718e893cf54cd773075f48c54a4bf99f85a378e7e3a45acdd5
1123226;1430952677;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for schmidty with note: saw a provocative looking comment about the blocksize and is now falling down a rabbit hole
1123227;1430952700;danielpbarron;schmidty, now you can voice yourself with /msg assbot !up
1123228;1430952751;schmidty;danielpbarron appreciated. i have much reading to do
1123229;1430953353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126350 @ 0.0002214 = 27.9739 BTC [+] {2} 
1123230;1430953777;danielpbarron;"and the file size of each block can be up to 1 megabyte." << heh. everything is a file!
1123231;1430953917;mod6;asciilifeform: here's an update as to where my test of v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke is at: http://dpaste.com/3J5K2JB.txt
1123232;1430953918;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1comTIp )
1123233;1430954024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202395 @ 0.00022329 = 45.1928 BTC [+] {2} 
1123234;1430954090;mod6;for comparison sake, here's what the machine looked like before and just after bitcoind with this patch was executed: http://dpaste.com/094DT78.txt
1123235;1430954091;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSY900 )
1123236;1430954396;mod6;dentist numbed me up so much even my nose is numb.
1123237;1430954459;danielpbarron;!up rgove hello!
1123238;1430954573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222073 @ 0.00021637 = 48.0499 BTC [-] {2} 
1123239;1430955241;mircea_popescu;!up schmidty
1123240;1430955249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu!
1123241;1430955267;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heya!
1123242;1430955289;mircea_popescu;seems just keys/keyserver domain change heh.
1123243;1430955291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing's churning (largely overlap with previous shots, so werker queue is mostly empty).
1123244;1430955303;mircea_popescu;grand!
1123245;1430955311;asciilifeform;cannot exclude that jokers signed fictional subdomain
1123246;1430955311;*;mircea_popescu goes to witness this splendor
1123247;1430955315;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1123248;1430955321;mircea_popescu;weshould find out in no time tho.
1123249;1430955333;asciilifeform;presently piping from own box
1123250;1430955341;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 5072
1123251;1430955345;asciilifeform;but would go substantially faster if done from dulap local
1123252;1430955348;mircea_popescu;chugging along.
1123253;1430955352;mircea_popescu;so do it from local
1123254;1430955371;asciilifeform;aha, wanted to 'combine the pleasurable with the useful' and get fresh sks dump 1st
1123255;1430955375;asciilifeform;then ran into that oddity.
1123256;1430955396;mircea_popescu;it's noted, and thats good enough
1123257;1430955414;asciilifeform;so we ignore the cert spew ?
1123258;1430955422;mircea_popescu;if indeed "they" signed wrong domain, as opposed to matt rude being derpy, we will know down the road.
1123259;1430955429;mircea_popescu;so yeah.
1123260;1430955438;asciilifeform;the interesting aspect is that i get no such thing from own box.
1123261;1430955456;mircea_popescu;this is pretty interesting. lemme see
1123262;1430955469;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wget --wait 1 -e robots=off -p -m https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current/
1123263;1430955470;assbot;Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT0SXs )
1123264;1430955473;mircea_popescu;!gettrust schmidty
1123265;1430955475;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user schmidty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=schmidty | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/schmidty/
1123266;1430955511;mircea_popescu;mike_c "The requested URL /wot/trust/ was not found on this server."
1123267;1430955534;danielpbarron;oh it's because he just joined today, and that site updates every 24 hours
1123268;1430955562;mircea_popescu;mike_c  oh nm because it's today, soz.
1123269;1430955568;mircea_popescu;right danielpbarron i forgot :p
1123270;1430955583;schmidty;already causing trouble
1123271;1430955600;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure"
1123272;1430955607;asciilifeform;l0l!
1123273;1430955609;asciilifeform;on what?
1123274;1430955637;mircea_popescu;http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/145951/cant-wget-from-github-sslv3-handshake-error << apparently known bug.
1123275;1430955668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on both wget and curl.
1123276;1430955674;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n1c
1123277;1430955710;asciilifeform;but not what we get on dulap.
1123278;1430955727;mircea_popescu;"Now after a lot of research, it appears that there is an incompatibility between OpenSSL < 0.9.8k and OpenSSL 1.0.1."
1123279;1430955753;mircea_popescu;because why not, ssl lv3 is a standard-as-implementred thing.
1123280;1430955779;*;asciilifeform loading locally, will push to dulap - but this is retarded and ought to be addressed
1123281;1430955799;asciilifeform;will post manifest of snapshot
1123282;1430955813;mircea_popescu;basically, "The version of OpenSSL on RHEL5 (and its derivatives) doesn't advertise support for TLS at all. It only does SSLv3 and SSLv2.
1123283;1430955813;mircea_popescu;The version of OpenSSL on RHEL6 (and its derivatives) supports TLS all the way up to TLSv1.2. It also does SSLv3, but it wants to negotiate TLS."
1123284;1430955836;asciilifeform;this still does not explain the 'keys' vs 'keyserver' thing
1123285;1430955859;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1123286;1430955889;asciilifeform;smells verminous.
1123287;1430955901;mircea_popescu;isn't this heap of dung fascinating, that whatever way you turn something oozes ? if only we were phorid flies.
1123288;1430955916;*;asciilifeform chitters inquisitively
1123289;1430956067;asciilifeform;piping locally at ~10M/s
1123290;1430956203;asciilifeform;what is the profit - other than brute sabotage - in fucking with keyservs?
1123291;1430956220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 437081 @ 0.00021384 = 93.4654 BTC [-] {4} 
1123292;1430956221;mircea_popescu;im persuaded it's just random breakage at this point.
1123293;1430956247;asciilifeform;'keyserver' turned into 'keys' and with different fp by chance ?
1123294;1430956251;asciilifeform;lucky cosmic rays?
1123295;1430956260;mircea_popescu;guy changed it for reasons, forgot to update.
1123296;1430956271;asciilifeform;if he changed it, it ought to be changed for planet
1123297;1430956278;asciilifeform;not dulap and (not mybox)
1123298;1430956285;mircea_popescu;prolly should drop him an email. are you or should i ?
1123299;1430956300;asciilifeform;try the url in browser 1st
1123300;1430956303;asciilifeform;which cert you get
1123301;1430956312;asciilifeform;(anyone else? plz)
1123302;1430956465;mike_c;mircea_popescu: ah, yes, I added a better page for not found users, but not on the trust page.  will fix.
1123303;1430956505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would my browser work any better ? it also fails.
1123304;1430956506;asciilifeform;mike_c: be so kind as to load https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current/ and describe the ssl cert you see
1123305;1430956507;assbot;Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT239n )
1123306;1430956523;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily, works on the boxes here
1123307;1430956563;mike_c;comodo sha256 cert good through 11/15
1123308;1430956567;asciilifeform;fp?
1123309;1430956581;mike_c;KeyID=90 af 6a 3a 94 5a 0b d8 90 ea 12 56 73 df 43 b4 3a 28 da e7
1123310;1430956607;mike_c;thumbprint: 13 d2 41 7e f3 49 a0 5c 4f 75 2a ef e6 10 c5 c4 95 70 2d df
1123311;1430956620;asciilifeform;sha1
1123312;1430956624;mike_c;yes
1123313;1430956624;asciilifeform;what's the sha256 ?
1123314;1430956641;mike_c;6c be 5c 74 ce 25 a3 83 8c 96 8e fe a9 ec 59 1f 0a 13 8a 7e
1123315;1430956648;mike_c;hm
1123316;1430956680;mike_c;or maybe this?  ‎00 b8 d9 04 8e 1d f6 05 6d 9e 3d fa e7 d6 16 4d f9
1123317;1430956702;trinque;F2 D0 E4 FE A2 5B ED F8 DD AC 6E C7 51 30 4A 5C
1123318;1430956704;trinque;B5 C2 59 25 50 BA 33 1C 05 16 B5 A9 B6 92 93 41
1123319;1430956706;trinque;is what I see
1123320;1430956711;trinque;meant to be one line
1123321;1430956713;mircea_popescu;o.O
1123322;1430956714;asciilifeform;i see what trinque saw
1123323;1430956719;mircea_popescu;mike_c your's too short.
1123324;1430956724;mike_c;yeah..
1123325;1430956726;mircea_popescu;sha256 is as long as tringque's.
1123326;1430956763;mircea_popescu;ima curl out of some random boxes now just ot see
1123327;1430956764;mike_c;i've got a public key
1123328;1430956767;mike_c;that help?
1123329;1430956860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/01D6H49
1123330;1430956861;assbot;dpaste: 01D6H49 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT2sZt )
1123331;1430956872;asciilifeform;i got a snapshot btw
1123332;1430956979;danielpbarron;F2 D0 E4 FE A2 5B ED F8 DD AC 6E C7 51 30 4A 5C B5 C2 59 25 50 BA 33 1C 05 16 B5 A9 B6 92 93 41
1123333;1430956996;mircea_popescu;and keys.mattrude doth not exist.
1123334;1430957009;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2X4QF2C << mine
1123335;1430957010;assbot;dpaste: 2X4QF2C ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2cwGN )
1123336;1430957043;mike_c;those are the same cert, no?
1123337;1430957105;mircea_popescu;seems we're all seeing the same certs.
1123338;1430957133;mircea_popescu;keyserver.matts and matts show the same ; keys.matts and key.matts do not exist. he moved.
1123339;1430957220;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/1X7FSYP << on dulap
1123340;1430957221;assbot;dpaste: 1X7FSYP ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2cP4v )
1123341;1430957290;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123055 << good one lol
1123342;1430957290;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 20:49:22; fluffypony: lol
1123343;1430957315;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123058 << actually, romania in this case.
1123344;1430957315;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 20:51:28; trinque: is this the only political issue in the region, whether to be eaten by the EU or Russia?
1123345;1430957343;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/0M8QV5T.txt << signed manifest (by me)
1123346;1430957344;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT33dx )
1123347;1430957355;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123059 << some, yeah, but i dun has teh time these days ;/
1123348;1430957355;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 20:53:54; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/de-ce-coruptia-nu-va-putea-fi-niciodata-eliminata/ << any interest in translating this for the non-romanian-speakers like me ?
1123349;1430957481;mircea_popescu;all this derping about "an eight of its gpd" - eh get bent, so that's six week's worth  ? get back to work.
1123350;1430957495;mircea_popescu;governments routinely steal 20 years' worth of labour offa people, i don't recall the protests.
1123351;1430957538;BingoBoingo;http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/7.62x39mm/pictures/7.62x39mm-20140531_094618.jpg
1123352;1430957539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT3mVK )
1123353;1430957628;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, chinese rounds ?
1123354;1430957635;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes
1123355;1430957635;asciilifeform;who the fuck buys this
1123356;1430957641;BingoBoingo;No idea
1123357;1430957646;mircea_popescu;!up qntranet
1123358;1430957648;BingoBoingo;Would buy for the box though
1123359;1430957660;BingoBoingo;Hello visitor
1123360;1430957699;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123089 << eh, you're drastically underestimating the actual distaste for russia among european people. even the ukrs.
1123361;1430957699;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 21:02:32; ascii_field: when demented premier moves the map - ok. when usg moves the map (independence 'referendum') - also ok. when ru moves - somehow not.
1123362;1430957710;asciilifeform;under?!
1123363;1430957728;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1123364;1430957755;asciilifeform;considering that i regard ww2 as still on - hard to 'under.'
1123365;1430957778;mircea_popescu;hehe. so yeah, referendum. i dun think it had to be manipulated much.
1123366;1430957791;mircea_popescu;by which i mean, i dun think it needed much more than tv stations, ipads, the usual stuff.
1123367;1430957804;mircea_popescu;just keeping the ru style away, is enough for referendum win.
1123368;1430957961;mircea_popescu;!up SquirtPrincess
1123369;1430957979;SquirtPrincess;thxs <3
1123370;1430958084;mircea_popescu;how goes
1123371;1430958255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123101 << the russians wanna maintain form, they can also go back to original muscovy duchy or something :D
1123372;1430958255;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 21:06:47; trinque: ascii_field: does make all of it sound like russia's trying to maintain form, while nato's trying thwart this as it can
1123373;1430958288;mircea_popescu;original soviet empire was historically the result of the race to asia they had with the uk, and it's certainly not above revisionism.
1123374;1430958303;mircea_popescu;current russia... probably safer. but does not include small russians, caucauss etc.
1123375;1430958318;*;trinque googles it
1123376;1430958326;trinque;seems like this "ethnic russians" thing has been kicking a while
1123377;1430958371;SquirtPrincess;pretty good, u
1123378;1430958399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nato program is to cut into bantustans infinitely finely if allowed.
1123379;1430958415;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1123380;1430958442;mircea_popescu;you will note there's nothing nato about it. we intend to do the same thing, to all nato, to china, to russia etc.
1123381;1430958448;mircea_popescu;it's just the reasonable agenda.
1123382;1430958462;asciilifeform;naturally.
1123383;1430958466;mircea_popescu;a buncha countries the size of one.
1123384;1430958917;mircea_popescu;and it is, obviously, for their own good and safety.
1123385;1430958933;mircea_popescu;because if they get large... se umfla tarita-n ei, as the romanian expression goes.
1123386;1430958951;mircea_popescu;the oats the[ir heads] contain become inflamed and they start imagining they may do various stupid shit.
1123387;1430958965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00021551 = 12.0686 BTC [+]
1123388;1430958991;asciilifeform;hilariously, orlov & mr mold agree on this precise program in this precise formulation.
1123389;1430958997;asciilifeform;(but, naturally, disagree on the recipe)
1123390;1430959012;mircea_popescu;notrly proposing a recipe myself. wisdom of age :D
1123391;1430959027;asciilifeform;i only know recipe 'wait for corpse to float by'
1123392;1430959058;BingoBoingo;http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning! << Make your own lower reciever without crowdfunding , CNC, or 3D printing!!!
1123393;1430959059;assbot; DIY: Shovel AK - photo tsunami warning! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT5j4u )
1123394;1430959070;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we did this one here
1123395;1430959074;asciilifeform;!s shovel ak
1123396;1430959075;assbot;0 results for 'shovel ak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shovel+ak
1123397;1430959077;asciilifeform;hm.
1123398;1430959085;mircea_popescu;famously, it's what lu zhi did.
1123399;1430959092;mircea_popescu;except not exactly by the side of the river.
1123400;1430959094;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: We talked about the idea, but I dunno if we got to instructions
1123401;1430959242;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is this very characteristic and endemic derpsyndrome, where folks make the easiest part of a mechanism - whether it is the non-pressurized part of a rifle, or the non-drivery part of an os kernel - and stroke their cocks in self-congratulatory wankbacchanalia
1123402;1430959256;asciilifeform;it needs a name.
1123403;1430959265;asciilifeform;perhaps mircea_popescu can suggest one.
1123404;1430959281;trinque;is that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os then screams about lisp at everyone?
1123405;1430959298;asciilifeform;nah that's ordinary drunken bender
1123406;1430959311;trinque;lol
1123407;1430959357;asciilifeform;the shovel handle, kernel, etc. remind of the fable with the drunkard who searched for his lost keys 'where the light is'
1123408;1430959357;mircea_popescu;i thought it was the new jersey approach ?
1123409;1430959386;asciilifeform;new jersey approach is when you do this and then craft the missing but necessary parts out of own shit
1123410;1430959423;asciilifeform;i am referring to the disease where the need for the remaining pieces is not perceived at all - or, if perceived, sufferer is content to crib from somewhere else while pretending he did not include them at all
1123411;1430959430;asciilifeform;(as in the 'rump kernel' example from last night)
1123412;1430959453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140523 @ 0.0002159 = 30.3389 BTC [+] {2} 
1123413;1430959472;BingoBoingo;To be fair to forum muppet he united the shovel handle stock to a lower reciever made from the spade. At least FOR NOW the lower reciever is the purchase restricted part.
1123414;1430959494;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems just normal progression.
1123415;1430959497;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc in most of the planet it is the barrel.
1123416;1430959501;mircea_popescu;replace shit with farts.
1123417;1430959502;BingoBoingo;Just the Cody Wilson fellow proposes the same thing for the AR-15 yet rewuires CNC
1123418;1430959506;asciilifeform;which is logical - most difficult to machine piece.
1123419;1430959512;BingoBoingo;Yes
1123420;1430959514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218877 @ 0.00022389 = 49.0044 BTC [+] {2} 
1123421;1430959539;BingoBoingo;But in USia barrel is roughly as easy to purchase from "Rural King" as shovel
1123422;1430959550;asciilifeform;for now.
1123423;1430959573;asciilifeform;scarcity of barrels (or, more likely, shells) is a 'when' not 'if.'
1123424;1430959615;mircea_popescu;incidentally, china during lu zhi is a very interesting case study. anyone recall the episode when the much more powerful mongols sent an emissary with practically that day's equivalent of PUA wisdom,
1123425;1430959647;mircea_popescu;which pissed her off to the degree she ~wanted~ to declare war. except then she realise the mongols are about three times as strong as the chinese, so instead just wrote humble apology about being old and frail and bald,
1123426;1430959654;danielpbarron;"My awesome and super-collectible Romy kit included kick-ass furniture, like this gas tube with "Mihaela" on it and 12 notches. I don't get it, Mihaela is a Romanian female name and the guy only scored 12 of them."
1123427;1430959655;mircea_popescu;and continued to send over women and money to maintain peace
1123428;1430959673;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ahaha srsly ?
1123429;1430959678;danielpbarron;from bingo's url
1123430;1430959683;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1123431;1430959686;mircea_popescu;(hint, the fmj habit of naming the gun is not invented in us"
1123432;1430959712;*;danielpbarron names his computers after women of the Bible
1123433;1430959713;BingoBoingo;Usually guns like boats get girly names
1123434;1430959745;BingoBoingo;Ex. Titanic named after his ex's dress size
1123435;1430959800;asciilifeform;'this is your rifle; that is your gun; this one's for fighting; that one's - for fun.' (TM) (R)
1123436;1430959903;danielpbarron;there are many like it, but this one is mine
1123437;1430959927;danielpbarron;without me, it is useless; without it, I am useless.
1123438;1430960307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00021372 = 3.9431 BTC [-]
1123439;1430960490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167600 @ 0.00021413 = 35.8882 BTC [+] {2} 
1123440;1430961527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173986 @ 0.00022426 = 39.0181 BTC [+] {3} 
1123441;1430961701;decimation;asciilifeform: re: valgrind < are you running valgrind on the poor little pogo or on an x86?
1123442;1430961846;asciilifeform;the latter
1123443;1430962625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168173 @ 0.0002261 = 38.0239 BTC [+] {3} 
1123444;1430964062;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 3v?
1123445;1430964073;asciilifeform;3-7
1123446;1430964078;asciilifeform;3 is the rated.
1123447;1430964085;asciilifeform;observe polarity
1123448;1430964088;asciilifeform;(there is no protection)
1123449;1430964331;ben_vulpes;and it's ground signal power when the thing is pointing up and the shield facing the user?
1123450;1430964362;decimation;ben_vulpes: are you soldering the serial lines to the pogo?
1123451;1430964393;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: correct
1123452;1430964399;asciilifeform;decimation: he's playing with a cardano rng
1123453;1430964400;ben_vulpes;decimation: nono, entirely different thinger
1123454;1430964591;decimation;asciilifeform: did you order up a batch from that macrofab place?
1123455;1430964609;asciilifeform;decimation: as described in latest broadcast
1123456;1430964621;asciilifeform;but ben_vulpes has one of the early samples.
1123457;1430964627;decimation;excellent news
1123458;1430964753;asciilifeform;in other news, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26894024/subprocess-check-output-module-object-has-out-attribute-check-output << example of why python needs to die in a fire
1123459;1430964754;assbot;python - subprocess.check_output() module object has out attribute 'check_output' - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRqfkM )
1123460;1430964827;decimation;asciilifeform: because they keep dicking around with the standard library?
1123461;1430964833;decimation;'standard'
1123462;1430964838;asciilifeform;pestilentially.
1123463;1430964847;decimation;yeah, that's really annoying
1123464;1430964870;decimation;I wonder if guido has given up on python 3 yet
1123465;1430965431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00021637 = 14.5401 BTC [-]
1123466;1430965615;decimation;http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ < nope, they are still digging their hole.  "However one argument that definitely does not work is “you should work on Python 2 because that would make my life as a commercial software developer easier”. The fact that Python 2 and commercial software developers had a symbiotic relationship at all was a happy coincidence, never a goal. The goal was “produce a language that Guido
1123467;1430965616;assbot;Python 3 is fine | Sealed Abstract ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8s7c )
1123468;1430965616;decimation;van Rossum and the other volunteer developers enjoy.” "
1123469;1430965717;decimation;^ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122624
1123470;1430965717;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 16:43:40; mircea_popescu: "o no, that's what i had really meant to do!11"
1123471;1430966385;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ground signal power from left to right, correct?
1123472;1430966451;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha
1123473;1430966463;asciilifeform;(it didn't change since you last asked!)
1123474;1430966468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79075 @ 0.00021748 = 17.1972 BTC [+]
1123475;1430966474;ben_vulpes;well hey i could have been asking about from right to left
1123476;1430966686;ben_vulpes;aha my retardation knows no bounds
1123477;1430966747;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what's the entropy analysis tool?
1123478;1430966761;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: take your pick
1123479;1430966764;asciilifeform;'ent', 'diehard'
1123480;1430966771;asciilifeform;didja actually process the input ?
1123481;1430966784;ben_vulpes;notyet
1123482;1430966816;ben_vulpes;capture, debias, run through diehard/ent?
1123483;1430966848;asciilifeform;aha
1123484;1430966864;asciilifeform;experiment with things such as varying sample rate, etc.
1123485;1430966874;asciilifeform;shield on/off
1123486;1430966878;asciilifeform;use imagination.
1123487;1430966880;ben_vulpes;ofc ofc
1123488;1430966891;ben_vulpes;i just want to make sure my protocol's sound
1123489;1430966920;ben_vulpes;so there's nothing beyond capture and then debias that needs doing for postprocessing?
1123490;1430966988;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what did you think there was ?
1123491;1430966995;ben_vulpes;i'm just confirming!
1123492;1430967002;asciilifeform;the one other thing one can reasonably do it distill
1123493;1430967007;asciilifeform;which is to say, xor over a buffer
1123494;1430967012;asciilifeform;*is
1123495;1430967023;asciilifeform;(see 'xor lemma' in logs)
1123496;1430967105;decimation;my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem
1123497;1430967417;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu keys are batch-converting on dulap. after they're done, will be pumped in locally.
1123498;1430967417;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1123499;1430967505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00021578 = 12.0405 BTC [-] {2} 
1123500;1430968084;asciilifeform;meanwhile...
1123501;1430968086;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000091.html
1123502;1430968087;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNnbUr )
1123503;1430968090;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1123504;1430968102;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag)
1123505;1430968158;scoopbot_revived;Phuctor Begins Processing SKS Keyserver Dump http://qntra.net/2015/05/phuctor-begins-processing-sks-keyserver-dump/
1123506;1430968178;mircea_popescu;ha! nice.
1123507;1430968191;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: No Such lAbs
1123508;1430968234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform load average: 0.94 << need like 7 more workers ?
1123509;1430968278;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Fixd
1123510;1430968295;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123100 << really, vlasov mostly helped the czechs.
1123511;1430968295;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 21:06:37; pete_dushenski: who other than vlasov's army helped germans ? and why were they spared ?
1123512;1430968501;mod6;<+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag) << thanks asciilifeform!!
1123513;1430968602;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123111 << is this where they covered the chinese in grad fired missiles ?
1123514;1430968602;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 21:09:31; ascii_field: (damansk)
1123515;1430968624;mircea_popescu;it's an important point, perhaps where the chinese got the idea that they should center their force around rocketry.
1123516;1430968685;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123122 << there's no such thing as "defensive". it simply means 'our weapons', as opposed to the enemy's (those are offensive).
1123517;1430968685;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 21:11:51; jurov: ru ever tried to ship defensive systems to cuba?
1123518;1430968794;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123137 << the only response to independence, from the point of view of self-appointed "master of the universe", is "trying to bleed them out". obviously.
1123519;1430968794;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 21:15:40; jurov: trying to bleed ru out, again
1123520;1430968815;mircea_popescu;the alternative would be to learn to live with fragmented sovereignity, which would require giving up pretty much everything the west has come to stand on.
1123521;1430968825;mircea_popescu;such as the idea that their sexual preferences are given by god.
1123522;1430968886;ben_vulpes;dieharder requires gsl-devel
1123523;1430968889;decimation;asciilifeform: your massif dump has c++ standard vector bullshit
1123524;1430968890;*;ben_vulpes dives into entropy quest
1123525;1430969033;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123167 << the only lulzy thing here is just how broke cantor fitzgerald is these days.
1123526;1430969033;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 21:42:45; pete_dushenski: 'gtbc' update : cantor fitzgerald has a 100 share buy order for at $25.00. 52wk range: $37.98 - $94.86. heh.
1123527;1430969045;mircea_popescu;seriously, ten bitcoins ? what did they do, make every woman in the office show me her tits ?
1123528;1430969121;mircea_popescu;Submissions:6590 ftr.
1123529;1430969152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.00021215 = 12.188 BTC [-] {2} 
1123530;1430969358;ben_vulpes;error "Please use <stdarg.h> instead of <varargs.h>"
1123531;1430969360;ben_vulpes;great.
1123532;1430969404;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123223 << me chuckles at vice.
1123533;1430969404;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 22:49:48; cazalla: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/unless-everyone-using-bitcoin-makes-this-radical-change-the-currency-will-die (block size limit rubbish)
1123534;1430969447;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993 and probably the last tiem anyone actually compiled it was back when paris hilton was still a virgin
1123535;1430969522;danielpbarron;http://shitco.in/2015/05/07/bitfinex-appears-to-have-crossed-streams-btc-crash-on-hold/
1123536;1430969523;assbot;shitco.in | BitFinex Appears To Have Crossed Streams, BTC Crash On Hold  ... ( http://bit.ly/1dOM0EA )
1123537;1430969523;mircea_popescu;seriously, how inept do they need to be, these people. "unless everyone X currency will die" is ~exactly~ the wrong thing to say. everyone will not, currency will not die, now suddenly vice has [even more] egg on its face.
1123538;1430969540;mircea_popescu;it's like... they're so stupid and trying to hard they're just giving me free gains.
1123539;1430969567;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron bitfinex was at no point in its existence anything but a [very thinly veiled] scam.
1123540;1430969577;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: did you compile dieharder?
1123541;1430969585;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i didn't run it, either.
1123542;1430969614;mircea_popescu;but by "god's work" i mean, a very good thing to do.
1123543;1430969614;danielpbarron;i'm more interested in the site reporting it; who is this mike1337?
1123544;1430969623;decimation;wow vice is really at the cutting edge of responsible journalism
1123545;1430969623;mircea_popescu;!s mike1337
1123546;1430969624;assbot;0 results for 'mike1337' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mike1337
1123547;1430969636;mircea_popescu;name's actually vaguely familiar, intel must have had him in something or the other.
1123548;1430969639;danielpbarron;who also calls himself "goat" (same goat as on forum?)
1123549;1430969642;mircea_popescu;nope
1123550;1430969660;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform load average: 0.94 << need like 7 more workers ? << 1) still converting 2) we're a serial operation, thinkaboutit
1123551;1430969680;mircea_popescu;ow shit.
1123552;1430969707;asciilifeform;<decimation> asciilifeform: your massif dump has c++ standard vector bullshit << sure does
1123553;1430969728;asciilifeform;uncensored sewage, aha
1123554;1430969744;decimation;asciilifeform: std_vector is one of those things that c++philes love (it just works!!), but when examined - contains refined turd juice
1123555;1430969773;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993... l0l:
1123556;1430969781;asciilifeform;stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
1123557;1430969781;asciilifeform;-rw-rw-r-- 1 portage portage 1149780 Oct 14  2011 /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
1123558;1430969854;decimation;for instance, with std_vector, try resizing a vector without initializing the elements
1123559;1430969874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a, not bad
1123560;1430970067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24141 @ 0.00021214 = 5.1213 BTC [-]
1123561;1430970555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60792 @ 0.00021748 = 13.221 BTC [+]
1123562;1430970799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192857 @ 0.00022579 = 43.5452 BTC [+] {3} 
1123563;1430970860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171843 @ 0.00022666 = 38.9499 BTC [+]
1123564;1430971336;mircea_popescu;hmmm... who used to run <[]bot> ?
1123565;1430971565;mircea_popescu;;;seen <[]bot>
1123566;1430971566;gribble;Error: "" is not a valid command.
1123567;1430971572;mircea_popescu;;;seen []bot
1123568;1430971573;gribble;Error: "" is not a valid command.
1123569;1430971580;mircea_popescu;;;seen \[\]bot
1123570;1430971580;gribble;Error: "\" is not a valid command.
1123571;1430971585;mircea_popescu;;;seen "[]bot"
1123572;1430971585;gribble;[]bot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 14 hours, 22 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <[]bot> Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1135/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.89313103 BTC. Current weight: 94,793.
1123573;1430971637;mircea_popescu;williamdunne hey, wanna add bitbet reporting to the scoopbot_revived activity ?
1123574;1430971775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135900 @ 0.00022666 = 30.8031 BTC [+]
1123575;1430971958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115750 @ 0.0002269 = 26.2637 BTC [+] {3} 
1123576;1430971961;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123468 << gotta appreciate that approach.
1123577;1430971961;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 02:26:56; decimation: van Rossum and the other volunteer developers enjoy.” "
1123578;1430971995;mircea_popescu;and speaking of which, judging by how using things made by other people is going, i guess bitcoin will be its own language before this dustball settles.
1123579;1430972060;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123487 << stuff like pointing RF sources at it, probably most interesting.
1123580;1430972060;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 02:48:00; ben_vulpes: ofc ofc
1123581;1430972122;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123496 "'round, red, right, ridge' " has no hits in google. do tell this story ?
1123582;1430972122;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 02:51:45; decimation: my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem
1123583;1430972220;decimation;I donno, he just told me that's what I should remember for the hot, power, + side
1123584;1430972247;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron : found your guy. https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/#comment-95863 etc
1123585;1430972248;assbot;Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsyvV1 )
1123586;1430972249;assbot;S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsyvV3 )
1123587;1430972605;decimation;http://research.noaa.gov/News/NewsArchive/LatestNews/TabId/684/ArtMID/1768/ArticleID/11153/Greenhouse-gas-benchmark-reached-.aspx < great news, aerial fertilizer rates are up!
1123588;1430972608;assbot;Greenhouse gas benchmark reached ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jsz9lr )
1123589;1430972669;mircea_popescu;im not gonna read that. tldr ?
1123590;1430972834;decimation;co2 reached 400 ppm on the top of the hawaii volcano
1123591;1430972844;mircea_popescu;aok
1123592;1430972854;decimation;apparently the new approach to sound science is to pr datapoints as they happen
1123593;1430972873;decimation;I misremembered my grandfather's saying: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_and_ring
1123594;1430972873;assbot;Tip and ring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dORv6g )
1123595;1430972886;decimation;"ring-right-red-ridge"
1123596;1430972894;decimation;he was a telephoneman
1123597;1430972988;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116616 < assuming 5 character words plus space, that would be 255 wpm
1123598;1430972988;assbot;Logged on 30-04-2015 03:49:15; mircea_popescu: "I have typed an average of 21.3 keystrokes per second" eh gtfo.
1123599;1430972998;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1123600;1430973017;decimation;actually very good stenographers can achieve that
1123601;1430973028;decimation;but they are 'typing shorthad'
1123602;1430973029;mircea_popescu;keystrokes. he said keystrokes.
1123603;1430973031;decimation;shorthand
1123604;1430973033;decimation;yeah exactly
1123605;1430973035;decimation;not possible
1123606;1430973056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73162 @ 0.00022045 = 16.1286 BTC [-]
1123607;1430973056;mircea_popescu;yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen to a two hour lab report, write down three lines and then reproduce it exactly.
1123608;1430973060;mircea_popescu;so what, 5400 wpm
1123609;1430973094;BingoBoingo;Also while rotating
1123610;1430973124;decimation;even the Victorians only had reaction times of around 100 ms
1123611;1430973163;decimation;I submit a human doing anything that involves any degree of thought at a rate of greater than 10 per second is neigh impossible
1123612;1430973177;mircea_popescu;depends how structurable it is , see ?
1123613;1430973190;decimation;maybe he was only typing the letter 'a'
1123614;1430973204;decimation;or asdfjkl;
1123615;1430973211;mircea_popescu;if the discussion revolves around a tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch, this is readily 3k items being discussed.
1123616;1430973225;mircea_popescu;a simple serial iteration of "x as expected y as expected" can be followed and remembered momentarily.
1123617;1430973250;mircea_popescu;a lot of science works exactly like this.
1123618;1430973270;decimation;yes, but I thought that you couldn't model language in this way
1123619;1430973280;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the massive savings of mental energy this relative approach offers is why we even have scientific paradigms in the first place
1123620;1430973290;mircea_popescu;their absence, on the other hand, is why gentoo sucks.
1123621;1430973298;mircea_popescu;that list of defaults is what makes or breaks any intellectual endeavour.
1123622;1430973300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99100 @ 0.00021919 = 21.7217 BTC [-]
1123623;1430973309;mircea_popescu;decimation scientific language specifically.
1123624;1430973318;mircea_popescu;it deliberately and constructively is NOT natural language.
1123625;1430973337;decimation;because to go over the list of all assumptions made before saying anything would prevent anyone from doing anything
1123626;1430973342;mircea_popescu;right.
1123627;1430973379;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/ << here's me lambasting romanioan "linguists" (they don't actually exist, just a buncha pretenders filling a void). sadly in romanian
1123628;1430973379;assbot;Hai sa studiem gramatica impreuna on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsAvMQ )
1123629;1430973401;mircea_popescu;the important bit for this convo being "nimeni nu are timp sa citeasca textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de
1123630;1430973401;mircea_popescu;zbat amplu, se fixeaza definitiv, si apoi toti participantii la discutie le folosesc exact. Folosiri creative creeaza confuzie, si sunt de fapt principala bariera intre profesionisti si amatori in orice domeniu. Atunci esti admis ca profesionist in orice disciplina cind lumea considera ca ti se poate oferi increderea ca nu vei folosi niciodata, nicicand, niciunde, nici un termen de arta in sens impropriu. De asta se fa
1123631;1430973402;mircea_popescu;c patru ani de scoala la drept si opt ani de scoala la medicina, creativitatea prost aplicata poate costa vieti, darima poduri, nenoroci destine. E INTERZISA."
1123632;1430973446;mircea_popescu;nobody has time to read specialty text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not a novel, its science, you read ten thousand pages a year minimum.
1123633;1430973493;mircea_popescu;to support work efficiency in science there are employed certain words and fixed structures, whose meanings are amply debated, definitivwely fixated and then every participant uses them exactly. creative usage creates confusion, and are in fact the main barrier between the pro and the amateur in any field.
1123634;1430973551;mircea_popescu;at that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider that you may be trusted to never, ever, anywhere, use a term of art improperly. this is why they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives, topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN.
1123635;1430973691;decimation;yes, which is why any profession worth a shit has a comprehensive specialty dictionary for exactly this reason
1123636;1430973705;mircea_popescu;http://sealedabstract.com/things-im-working-on/ << reading through this list was an adventure. first (caffeine bit, autogenerated code subnode) i suspected the guy was simply reiserfs insane. by the time i got to zynga...
1123637;1430973706;assbot;Things I'm working on | Sealed Abstract ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsB1ui )
1123638;1430973729;mircea_popescu;srsly, "not evil but good" "not reddit as much" ? incredible how stupid forms fucking stupid crystals.
1123639;1430973735;mircea_popescu;decimation yep.
1123640;1430973814;decimation;yeah with nutzos like that in their corner, python 3 is going to the moon!
1123641;1430973856;mircea_popescu;the point stil lremains tho. "stop trying to build your company out of our fucking hobby. hire some engineers, fucking cheapskates."
1123642;1430973862;mircea_popescu;harlan's monologue comes to mind.
1123643;1430973925;mircea_popescu;"�They want everything for nothing. They wouldn�t go for five seconds without being paid. And they�ll bitch about how much they�re paid, and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and a tin cup on the street? Fuck, no."
1123644;1430974002;mircea_popescu;further in defense of the nuts : "Nick Coghlan�s document should really be a required citation for any article advancing a new course for Python, because nobody is going to take you seriously if you don�t address" << this is very sensible.
1123645;1430974019;mircea_popescu;"you want to talk about X, you fail to cite and address Y, you are thereby a kook, go away"
1123646;1430974470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://bitbet.us/bet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key/
1123647;1430974470;assbot;BitBet - Phuctor will find a bad key :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 99`996 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsBVH9 )
1123648;1430974642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94390 @ 0.00021919 = 20.6893 BTC [-]
1123649;1430974886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115600 @ 0.00022634 = 26.1649 BTC [+]
1123650;1430975054;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu and others interested in entropic information: what stats about generated entropy are useful? if i need to shoop my entropy over to gentoo i can, but if that's not necessary (for dieharder tests) i'd like to avoid it
1123651;1430975071;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you read the report i published on this ?
1123652;1430975090;ben_vulpes;i have two s.nsa reports up on my screen right now
1123653;1430975118;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements/#footnote_4_51698 << that one
1123654;1430975118;assbot;Cardano : Xmas blown, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReWEDN )
1123655;1430975123;ben_vulpes;"Xmas blown..." and "Unsorted collection"
1123656;1430975130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66750 @ 0.00022633 = 15.1075 BTC [-] {2} 
1123657;1430975138;mircea_popescu;a decent approach is to compare your dataset to other datasets, especially ones obtained through different means
1123658;1430975149;mircea_popescu;(random.org does atmospheric noise, fermilab does decay, etc)
1123659;1430975201;decimation;fourmilab
1123660;1430975208;ben_vulpes;"we had the file ent'd every 100kb" << which is to say you split the file on 100kb line and ent'd each?
1123661;1430975240;decimation;http://python-notes.curiousefficiency.org/en/latest/python3/questions_and_answers.html < "Why wasn’t I consulted? Technically, even the core developers weren’t consulted: Python 3 happened because the creator of the language, Guido van Rossum, wanted it to happen, and Google paid for him to devote half of his working hours to leading the development effort."
1123662;1430975242;assbot;Python 3 Q & A — Nick Coghlan's Python Notes 1.0 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReWT1R )
1123663;1430975246;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes
1123664;1430975250;mircea_popescu;decimation right you are.
1123665;1430975286;mircea_popescu;decimation hey, guy owns it.
1123666;1430975319;decimation;note that this is the opposite of the earlier defense (it's his hobby)
1123667;1430975341;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking to sink a lifetime into this, is examining the failures (iirc there were a couple in there). see if any way to leverage this
1123668;1430975351;decimation;His boss told him he had to, you see.  Everything will be better if you accept unicode into your heart
1123669;1430975381;mircea_popescu;decimation they lack the proper words to express themselves. what they mean is that it his private, sovereign domain, and he does whatever the fuck he likes, and anyone who doesn't care for it can go dangle.
1123670;1430975418;decimation;sure, but at the pain of making himself look like a retard when he goes off and does something retarded in the name of his domain
1123671;1430975431;mircea_popescu;exactly at that pain.
1123672;1430975535;mircea_popescu;"With the long transition to �Python 3 by default� still in progress, the question is occasionally raised as to whether or not the core Python developers are acting as reasonable stewards of the Python language. "
1123673;1430975556;decimation;I'll hand it to him, the guy is verbose
1123674;1430975602;mircea_popescu;this is a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon.
1123675;1430975678;mircea_popescu;moreover, i don't get the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing the language, adding features in a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue to evolve and improve and bring value to the people and companies that invested so much time developing them. "
1123676;1430975695;decimation;ah but the implicit threat: "What would it take to make you change your minds about the current plan? An important thing to understand for anyone hoping to convince the core development team to change direction in regards to Python 3 development and promotion is to know that mere words aren’t enough, it’s going to take action. That action is defined in PEP 404: creating a Python 2.8 release (under a different name, however, since
1123677;1430975696;decimation;Python refers specifically to the language versions endorsed by the core development team) and convincing people to use it."
1123678;1430975715;decimation;You can't use the word Python!  We have rights!
1123679;1430975721;mircea_popescu;this reads very brokenly to my eye, for many reasons, such as : a) people who can't afford things get no voice. this is what "financial reasons" means : shut the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't a person.
1123680;1430975758;mircea_popescu;b) why exactly is the expected "developing" ? afaik, a language should be set in stone. if this is the view entertained, what "evolution" the fuck do they wish ? if this isn't the view contemplated, why are they not on 3 yet!
1123681;1430975795;mircea_popescu;c) if people and companies invested time in shit that doesn't offer them a roi, this means they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean they should get some compensatory candy.
1123682;1430975797;mircea_popescu;etc.
1123683;1430975819;decimation;yes, the whole document reads as a retroactive justification for guido's missteps.  "no no, you see it was a clever strategy to release python 3 in a way that made it seem that it sucked ass."
1123684;1430975838;mircea_popescu;decimation the quote was from some "python is killing python" post.
1123685;1430975871;decimation;maybe this stuff should be added to the various grounds for a google fiduciary lawsuit
1123686;1430975872;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't get it. if the language was good, who cares about a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned to the ground at that. if the language sucked, then well... ?
1123687;1430975945;mircea_popescu;decimation if they don't have the balls to step all over the "pep" and "rights" of the "core team" and do whatever they will, they probably don't have the strength to matter anyway.
1123688;1430975978;decimation;yeah this is a good point.  and it gives more ammunition to the idea that if one is using python, one should consider stepping away
1123689;1430976026;mircea_popescu;i dunno that it makes any difference, really. if one is using python (or anything else) correctly, they pick something, and stick with it.
1123690;1430976058;mircea_popescu;for instance : ubuntu sucks ass, especially the new versions, and the early ones. nevertheless, i use 10.04 as an easement / windows halfway house for all sorts of people.
1123691;1430976077;mircea_popescu;this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp.
1123692;1430976096;mircea_popescu;so why do i care what ubuntu does ? i got the 10.04 burned. it's mine. forgetaboutit!
1123693;1430976108;decimation;it goes back to what asciilifeform was complaining about re: drivers.  You are gonna have to buy new hardware at some point, and then you are going to have to rev everything to support it
1123694;1430976136;mircea_popescu;i kinda doubt i will ever again buy new hardware.
1123695;1430976143;mircea_popescu;unless they make wetware cpus, stuff's good as is.
1123696;1430976167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57250 @ 0.00021609 = 12.3712 BTC [-]
1123697;1430976190;mircea_popescu;note for instance that the various "emergency problem - update required" stuff is in NEW-ish versions. like, heartbleed ? ubuntu 10.04 was fine. 12.04 ? owned.
1123698;1430976191;decimation;well, if you can live on a hardware baseline, then you have the luxury of clamping down on software upgrade shit
1123699;1430976239;mircea_popescu;for that matter, gnupg 1.4.x works just fine, and come to think about it the pogos are being raped with software that's a decade old.
1123700;1430976242;decimation;note, this is exactly how any 'adult' program works: they were flying 80's era cpus in the space shuttle for the entire program because that was the baseline, and the software worked
1123701;1430976255;mircea_popescu;yup. i am well aware.
1123702;1430976270;decimation;same with aircraft, etc.  nobody feels the need to 'upgrade' how a 777 works internally.  you want new avionics? buy a new plane
1123703;1430976276;mircea_popescu;quite.
1123704;1430976288;mircea_popescu;of course by now they prolly do java everything and upgrade weekly.
1123705;1430976289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175000 @ 0.00021207 = 37.1123 BTC [-] {2} 
1123706;1430976291;mircea_popescu;which is why they lose planes.
1123707;1430976296;decimation;heh yeah probably do
1123708;1430976302;mircea_popescu;"where did it go ?" "oh, to the land of the jellybeans"
1123709;1430976312;decimation;although boeing is a famous 'ada' shop.  but they probably outsource that shit too
1123710;1430976378;decimation;http://www.puritangift.com/en/blog/2013/01/14/boeings-dreamliner-aircraft-in-serious-trouble-just-as-we-predicted-on-page-7-of-the-puritan-gift/ < "In 2005 and 2006, a former Great Engine company, Boeing, sold 350 of its Dreamliner aircraft straight off the drawing board, with the intention of ‘out-sourcing’ the manufacture of 80 per cent of its structure and components to forty-three suppliers on three continents. We await the
1123711;1430976379;assbot;BOEING’S DREAMLINER  AIRCRAFT IN TROUBLE, JUST AS WE PREDICTED ON PAGE 140 OF THE PURITAN GIFT! | The Puritan Gift ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReYIvH )
1123712;1430976379;decimation;outcome with unease. Until then, the company had always made the fuselage and wings for its planes; that is what Boeing was all about."
1123713;1430976407;decimation;I've got mixed feelings about this book, but it does talk about the decline in american managerial culture
1123714;1430976461;mircea_popescu;decimation so for my own education (not following python much) is the 2/3 split primarily centered around unicode vs posix ?
1123715;1430976469;decimation;yeah pretty much
1123716;1430976484;mircea_popescu;seems like an excellent reason to fork.
1123717;1430976493;mircea_popescu;make 2.8, zero unicode support. ascii or bust.
1123718;1430976500;decimation;python 3 supports 'a better text model to support unicode' rather than 'posix with unicode bolted on'
1123719;1430976524;decimation;apparently there are some folks who want to do exactly that
1123720;1430976542;mircea_popescu;" It should be at least possible for users to start learning the basics of Python without having to first learn English as a prerequisite (even if English remains a requirement for full participation in the global Python and open source ecosystems)." << this is pretty retarded.
1123721;1430976552;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would anyone even contemplate this.
1123722;1430976572;mircea_popescu;you don't speak english, you don't get to use computers. back to the cave.
1123723;1430976575;trinque;that's the condescending democratic notion of "them"
1123724;1430976577;trinque;that you have to help
1123725;1430976583;trinque;guido built a language for "them"
1123726;1430976638;mircea_popescu;seems bizarre seeing how the earlier stuff was predicated on "we want to make the language WE enjoy using". what, guido doesn't speak english ?!
1123727;1430976761;decimation;apparently guido's hobby is to convert python into a trojan horse for derpy utopianism
1123728;1430976878;decimation;you know the next step... anyone who doesn't buy into python 3 is a racsis...
1123729;1430977333;mircea_popescu;so how do you denote zhe in armenian ?
1123730;1430977541;mircea_popescu;One key consequence of this is that the interpreter core in Python 3 is far more tolerant of paths that contain Unicode characters on Windows (so, for example, having a non-ASCII character in your username should no longer cause any problems with running Python scripts from your home directory on Windows).
1123731;1430977544;mircea_popescu;ah ok, this is what it was.
1123732;1430977546;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1123733;1430978241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34905 @ 0.00021609 = 7.5426 BTC [+]
1123734;1430979185;chatquack;It's Cheryl!
1123735;1430979194;mircea_popescu;who's cheryl ?
1123736;1430979280;chatquack;Cheryl, aka Charleen, aka Cristal
1123737;1430979309;mircea_popescu;still nfi.
1123738;1430979323;chatquack;Crazy bitch from Archer, whom I love dearly; http://archer.wikia.com/wiki/Cheryl_Tunt
1123739;1430979323;assbot;Cheryl Tunt - Archer Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp0KI6 )
1123740;1430979326;*;mircea_popescu has just naively issued a ll in a directory worth ~100mb of 1kb files.
1123741;1430979347;chatquack;*slow clap*
1123742;1430979379;mircea_popescu;now the server's dosing me
1123743;1430979417;chatquack;ya, i was wondering if a ^c was even worth anything half a second after hitting enter
1123744;1430979512;chatquack;In Soviet VPS, files poke you!
1123745;1430979780;mircea_popescu;this is not a vps.
1123746;1430979818;chatquack;local ethernet?
1123747;1430979820;mircea_popescu;and no, ^c is not worth anything, because ll is well optimized, spends a minute thinking it through and then blasts you
1123748;1430979828;mircea_popescu;no, actual server.
1123749;1430979841;chatquack;right? it's speedy...
1123750;1430979859;chatquack;oh sitting on the cancer giver?
1123751;1430979880;chatquack;I have a hard time sleeping without fan noise :\
1123752;1430979897;mircea_popescu;sitting what ?
1123753;1430979944;chatquack;What do you mean by actual server? Sitting next to you or.
1123754;1430979956;mircea_popescu;no, a box in a dc
1123755;1430979993;chatquack;neato
1123756;1430980022;chatquack;but then again remote or local ll is done once it's run
1123757;1430980038;chatquack;face full'o 1k
1123758;1430980060;*;chatquack offers mircea_popescu an uncomfortable hug
1123759;1430980273;chatquack;Where the funk is BingoBoingo? I blame him for this useless banter.
1123760;1430980662;mircea_popescu;!up from_vice
1123761;1430980772;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/jus-sayin/ speaking of vice...
1123762;1430980773;assbot;Jus' sayin' on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp45Hl )
1123763;1430980803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42384 @ 0.00021203 = 8.9867 BTC [-]
1123764;1430981081;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything.
1123765;1430981413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204100 @ 0.00021202 = 43.2733 BTC [-] {2} 
1123766;1430981416;mircea_popescu;Mem:  24420888k total, 24035956k used,   384932k free,   889012k buffers << what one likes to see. there's something so pleasant about a maxed box.
1123767;1430981840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59654 @ 0.0002154 = 12.8495 BTC [+]
1123768;1430982175;cazalla;one on the left has a much better ass
1123769;1430982328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136300 @ 0.00021903 = 29.8538 BTC [+] {3} 
1123770;1430983014;mircea_popescu;they're young. plenty of time yet.
1123771;1430983169;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot-
1123772;1430983171;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0M8QV5T.txt
1123773;1430983172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp9Bd0 )
1123774;1430983172;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1123775;1430983182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 17 @ 0.13005882 = 2.211 BTC [-] {2} 
1123776;1430985257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126555 @ 0.00021691 = 27.451 BTC [-] {3} 
1123777;1430985806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31613 @ 0.00021109 = 6.6732 BTC [-] {2} 
1123778;1430985867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100723 @ 0.00021078 = 21.2304 BTC [-]
1123779;1430985928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63997 @ 0.00021078 = 13.4893 BTC [-]
1123780;1430986111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00022008 = 12.7646 BTC [+]
1123781;1430986538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107400 @ 0.00021045 = 22.6023 BTC [-] {2} 
1123782;1430989222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231250 @ 0.0002154 = 49.8113 BTC [+] {3} 
1123783;1430991113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173500 @ 0.00022025 = 38.2134 BTC [+] {3} 
1123784;1430991723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00020997 = 22.7188 BTC [-] {2} 
1123785;1430992333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 330758 @ 0.00020914 = 69.1747 BTC [-] {3} 
1123786;1430992413;davout;danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
1123787;1430993614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181350 @ 0.00022088 = 40.0566 BTC [+] {2} 
1123788;1430993710;davout;so it looks that it can either be enabled in a buildroot config option, gonna investigate this later
1123789;1430996481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106666 @ 0.00022214 = 23.6948 BTC [+] {2} 
1123790;1430996542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20076 @ 0.00022219 = 4.4607 BTC [+]
1123791;1430997701;mats;http://i.imgur.com/yUIBuRu.gif
1123792;1430997702;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRafxw )
1123793;1430999226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120950 @ 0.00022137 = 26.7747 BTC [-] {2} 
1123794;1430999521;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBXDpl60iMA
1123795;1430999522;assbot;grapedrank eats bitcoin-assets :\ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kla7Vw )
1123796;1430999664;jurov;lol, some people want languages set in stone? good luck.
1123797;1430999714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 371937 @ 0.0002161 = 80.3756 BTC [-] {4} 
1123798;1431000291;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu we have liftoff!!
1123799;1431000292;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1123800;1431000307;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << vroom
1123801;1431000307;assbot;    So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX3RiW )
1123802;1431000324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40316 @ 0.00021353 = 8.6087 BTC [-] {2} 
1123803;1431000732;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu there are quite a few non-rsa keys. what were folks thinking, l0l
1123804;1431000733;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1123805;1431001056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00022219 = 2.7107 BTC [+]
1123806;1431001228;asciilifeform;in other news, 222893
1123807;1431002276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53421 @ 0.00022219 = 11.8696 BTC [+]
1123808;1431002473;scoopbot_revived;Government Funded Exchange BitSpark Shifts To Remittances http://qntra.net/2015/05/government-funded-exchange-bitspark-shifts-to-remittances/
1123809;1431002827;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123786 << nono. mine's using a sata drive
1123810;1431002827;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 09:53:33; davout: danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
1123811;1431003221;danielpbarron;oh, i see what you're saying.
1123812;1431003260;danielpbarron;the one with a hard drive that i have running bitcoind is the one i put ArchLinux on
1123813;1431003436;davout;danielpbarron: i think that what i'll do is slightly change the buildroot config to be able to "busybox mkfs"
1123814;1431003578;davout;oh and also there was something else, maybe asciilifeform can help with that, probably very noobish question, but i have nfi how to setup the pogo so that i'm able to put the compiled kernel on it without needing it to use tftp to load it on each boot
1123815;1431003688;danielpbarron;the end goal is to flash it into the eeprom; not sure if anyone's done that yet
1123816;1431003749;davout;danielpbarron: because other than the attached SATA the pogo has no other storage than the eeprom, right?
1123817;1431003766;davout;why not simply have it reside on the SATA drive?
1123818;1431003846;danielpbarron;you could do that, but the spec is for it to have all necessary stuff contained in the unit itself
1123819;1431003949;davout;aha, not sure i ever actually *read* that spec, is it trilema'd?
1123820;1431004090;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/spec.html
1123821;1431004091;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zF6UQf )
1123822;1431004112;davout;ah, it is danielpbarron'd :D
1123823;1431004191;davout;danielpbarron: ok i see, that makes lots of sense
1123824;1431004426;cazalla;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34091513/ hearn rings the alarm, we have not much time!
1123825;1431004427;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1zF8eT0 )
1123826;1431004781;jurov;yest it was kicking the can, today "to keep the Bitcoin show on the road"
1123827;1431004839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109500 @ 0.0002244 = 24.5718 BTC [+]
1123828;1431004960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12829 @ 0.00022353 = 2.8677 BTC [-]
1123829;1431005285;jurov;^ i suggest using these phrases to qntra editors
1123830;1431005692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164600 @ 0.00022341 = 36.7733 BTC [-]
1123831;1431006124;mircea_popescu;shit asciilifeform they're not going to be so many that we don't reach 3.15 mn moduli are they!
1123832;1431006607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92650 @ 0.00022341 = 20.6989 BTC [-]
1123833;1431006968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's an astonishingly large number of those
1123834;1431007003;mircea_popescu;which, non rsa ?
1123835;1431007006;asciilifeform;aha
1123836;1431007545;mircea_popescu;hey, williamdunne you there ?
1123837;1431007635;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123796 << i want everything set in stone. i guess that makes me a true stoner.
1123838;1431007635;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 11:54:24; jurov: lol, some people want languages set in stone? good luck.
1123839;1431007644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80200 @ 0.00022341 = 17.9175 BTC [-]
1123840;1431007915;asciilifeform;in other news,
1123841;1431007918;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers:
1123842;1431007918;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000092.html
1123843;1431007919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRE7Kp )
1123844;1431007927;asciilifeform;[BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output.
1123845;1431007965;mircea_popescu;"I observed to Wladimir and Gavin in
1123846;1431007965;mircea_popescu;private that this timeline meant a change to the block size was unlikely to
1123847;1431007965;mircea_popescu;get into 0.11, leaving only 0.12, which would give everyone only a few
1123848;1431007965;mircea_popescu;months to upgrade in order to fork the chain by the end of the winter
1123849;1431007965;mircea_popescu;growth season. That seemed tight."
1123850;1431008010;mircea_popescu;so apparently teh idiots actually have a schedule, handler said something like "this must be in by 2016 no matter what". so either they get it in "0.11" or "0.12" or else 0.13 or 15 or 29 will have to happen BEFORE that date.
1123851;1431008034;mircea_popescu;and if people have to test things in negative three days, fuck people. handler said, gavin & mike do, that's how "standards committees" work in the us.
1123852;1431008040;mircea_popescu;are these people fucktarded or something ?
1123853;1431008055;mircea_popescu;yo usg : BLOCK.INCREASE.IS.NOT.HAPPENING.THIS.YEAR
1123854;1431008070;mircea_popescu;you can take that to the fed.
1123855;1431008071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128788 @ 0.00022365 = 28.8034 BTC [+] {2} 
1123856;1431008092;asciilifeform;bbbut the ocean of meat!1111!!111
1123857;1431008100;mircea_popescu;> Certainly a consensus in this kind of technical community should be a
1123858;1431008101;mircea_popescu;> basic requirement for any serious commitment to blocksize increase.
1123859;1431008101;mircea_popescu;>
1123860;1431008101;mircea_popescu;I'm afraid I have come to disagree.
1123861;1431008106;asciilifeform;gotta accomodate it, because d3m0cr4cy
1123862;1431008107;mircea_popescu;who the FUCK asked mike hearn ANYTHING ?
1123863;1431008119;mircea_popescu;so he disagrees ? what else does he disagree with, chinese internal policy ?
1123864;1431008120;mircea_popescu;gravity ?
1123865;1431008131;mircea_popescu;go fucking disagree on livejournal and check my privilege while at it.
1123866;1431008149;asciilifeform;chinese internal policy ? << these are the folks who issued indictments in u.s. courts of chinese generals
1123867;1431008156;asciilifeform;*against
1123868;1431008164;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: do you have the source for the pull request where hearn tried to merge in heartbleed?
1123869;1431008189;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform russian random businessmen, at that, too.
1123870;1431008204;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i think you misread or misunderstood something. come again ?
1123871;1431008235;mircea_popescu;> Long-term incentive compatibility requires that there be some fee
1123872;1431008235;mircea_popescu;> pressure, and that blocks be relatively consistently full or very nearly
1123873;1431008236;mircea_popescu;> full.
1123874;1431008236;mircea_popescu;I disagree. When the money supply eventually dwindles I doubt it will be fee pressure that funds mining
1123875;1431008242;mircea_popescu;right. it's gonna be taxation, in hearn world.
1123876;1431008272;mircea_popescu;have bitcoin declared a "public service" or right or whatever by congress, get obamabitcoin and all that jazz. make the MIT shitheads, google etc all fat and giggly.
1123877;1431008288;asciilifeform;blockchain.gov
1123878;1431008307;asciilifeform;!s taxcoin
1123879;1431008307;assbot;4 results for 'taxcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=taxcoin
1123880;1431008311;asciilifeform;etc.
1123881;1431008314;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2014#692838
1123882;1431008366;mircea_popescu;"Firstly, no, the "Bitcoin ecosystem" is not well funded. Blockstream might
1123883;1431008366;mircea_popescu;be, but significant numbers of users are running programs developed by tiny
1123884;1431008366;mircea_popescu;startups, or volunteers who don't have millions in venture capital to play
1123885;1431008366;mircea_popescu;with."
1123886;1431008382;mircea_popescu;check out shitboy over here.
1123887;1431008403;mircea_popescu;"didn't happen in bezzle-land, didn't happen at all. icbc trades on pink sheets. world exists in my asshole"
1123888;1431008463;mircea_popescu;"What I don't see from you yet is a *specific and credible plan* that fits
1123889;1431008464;mircea_popescu;within the next 12 months and which allows Bitcoin to keep growing."
1123890;1431008492;mircea_popescu;i am ever thankful to the idiots that do very idiotic things. like that vice article. like this tipping of hand.
1123891;1431008498;asciilifeform;'grow' to mr tumour means, of course, more tumour cells, not longer legs
1123892;1431008516;mircea_popescu;if there is any certainty about "bitcoin future" at hte present time, it is that there will not be a block size increase in the next 12 months.
1123893;1431008534;mircea_popescu;heads may roll, yes, metaphorically or factually, yes. this shit is not happening.
1123894;1431008583;thestringpuller;"Again, why don't all devs that against this blocksize change come together, and ELI5 to the rest of us what are the cons. ELI5 is important if you want the public to understand your points. So for now Gavin has me convinced the change is necessary. Please Please Please...." to which someone replies "Heaven help us if we ever encounter an issue that requires more than a five-year-old's intelligence."
1123895;1431008600;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!! anyone else running 0.5.3.x and noticed unusually frequent disconnects ?
1123896;1431008627;asciilifeform;i suspect that the seed problem is growing palpably dire
1123897;1431008635;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller except there is absolutely no need to eli5, because 5 yolds can not be involved in bitcoin.
1123898;1431008656;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these are endemic, they come and go, it's a lot like stop-go traffic.
1123899;1431008662;asciilifeform;(we are syncing from... laptops?)
1123900;1431008664;mircea_popescu;but yes, the problem is growing.
1123901;1431008838;mircea_popescu;ahh, watching the phuctor stats is so pleasant.
1123902;1431009033;asciilifeform;at some point we gotta do stats re: whether folks are -even today- generating dsa-only keys, etc
1123903;1431009046;asciilifeform;because the paucity of rsa moduli susprised even me
1123904;1431009052;mircea_popescu;only marginally interesting outside of the strong set.
1123905;1431009074;asciilifeform;things on the margins could well be some fella with a spamatron, yes.
1123906;1431009086;mircea_popescu;usg delivering "keys" to its own people etc.
1123907;1431009474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00022047 = 7.044 BTC [-]
1123908;1431009487;lobbes;noob question incoming: so my key is showing a GCD of '1 (Ok, for now!)' ; This means that my key only has 1 prime factor in common with another submitted key?
1123909;1431009508;mircea_popescu;no
1123910;1431009516;mircea_popescu;it means it has the factor of 1 in common with other keys.
1123911;1431009525;mircea_popescu;1 is a common divisor of all numbers.
1123912;1431009591;lobbes;ahhhh
1123913;1431009595;lobbes;okay thank you
1123914;1431009779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00022047 = 31.5713 BTC [-]
1123915;1431009972;mircea_popescu;mike_c it'll please you to know that a) we're going to be setting up daily batch processing of new keys, so people failing to find theirs should be rare ; b) making better 404 page, mostly to indicate this fact.
1123916;1431009993;mike_c;ah, good news.
1123917;1431010113;mircea_popescu;this, of course, after the current glut is processed, which estimatively should take about a month o.O
1123918;1431010119;mircea_popescu;there's a shitton of them
1123919;1431010145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139900 @ 0.00022598 = 31.6146 BTC [+] {2} 
1123920;1431010374;nubbins`;<+mircea_popescu> 1 is a common divisor of all numbers. <<< hey now
1123921;1431010410;lobbes;!rate asciilifeform 1 http://nosuchlabs.com/, http://loper-os.org/, decrufter @ http://thebitcoin.foundation
1123922;1431010410;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/887f473c99ee3004
1123923;1431010411;assbot;Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FREcgc )
1123924;1431010413;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1FREeVc )
1123925;1431010413;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FREcgh )
1123926;1431010457;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.rate.asciilifeform.1:4fce25012b85a0c2b08e565f25c55c092857f115d32b97983af9a8eed7ab140a
1123927;1431010457;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for asciilifeform with note: http://nosuchlabs.com/, http://loper-os.org/, decrufter @ http://thebitcoin.foundation
1123928;1431010491;lobbes;!rate ben_vulpes 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
1123929;1431010491;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/57bd30a883e0dd1e
1123930;1431010527;nubbins`;at the risk of being a pedant, 1 is a common divisor of the set of integers
1123931;1431010528;nubbins`;;p
1123932;1431010551;nubbins`;which is both infinitely large in size, and infinitely smaller than, say, the set of real numbers
1123933;1431010555;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.rate.ben_vulpes.1:af5c59d6cdf9ef0235558ee95dd0ef3a2ffcc6b965bd39ac6700d10012464f89
1123934;1431010555;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
1123935;1431010585;lobbes;!rate mod6 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
1123936;1431010585;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bbf00bdef32a191d
1123937;1431010606;mod6;<+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output. << nice work! thanks :]
1123938;1431010633;lobbes;!v assbot:lobbes.rate.mod6.1:93a6590ff2a28a73681071c3abd6ce41443e5686ad05500dda678435cd29b835
1123939;1431010633;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mod6 with note: co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
1123940;1431010637;lobbes;phew done
1123941;1431010775;mircea_popescu;nubbins` "divisors" are only defined for some numbers.
1123942;1431010840;nubbins`;^ aha
1123943;1431010843;nubbins`;there's no fooling you 8)
1123944;1431010892;mircea_popescu;lol. kinda hard to beat me up with my own fucking words eh.
1123945;1431010907;mircea_popescu;sort-of like a guy in a mma fight being beaten to death with his own, broken arms.
1123946;1431010912;nubbins`;for those who still don't know wtf is going on, brush up on yr number theory
1123947;1431011067;mircea_popescu;!up from_vice
1123948;1431011069;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/FuXC0GD
1123949;1431011070;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FRFyr8 )
1123950;1431011080;nubbins`;^ silkscreened hang tags, 2/1 on 130# cougar
1123951;1431011086;nubbins`;sup from_vice
1123952;1431011088;nubbins`;are you from vice?
1123953;1431011114;mircea_popescu;who the fuck washes things by hand in cold water. what is this, slavegirl concentration camp ?!
1123954;1431011117;nubbins`;(talk by typing in the box down there ----v)
1123955;1431011152;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i should show you how i clean screens and equipment here
1123956;1431011153;from_vice;Ahh
1123957;1431011163;nubbins`;by hand. in very, very cold water.
1123958;1431011171;nubbins`;from_vice: there ya go.
1123959;1431011189;from_vice;Churrs
1123960;1431011212;nubbins`;guess you're not actually here from vice tho, huh
1123961;1431011217;from_vice;Where am I?
1123962;1431011226;nubbins`;you're on freenode irc
1123963;1431011230;lobbes;#bitcoin-assets
1123964;1431011232;mircea_popescu;ahaha this entire convo is the titsd.
1123965;1431011236;mircea_popescu;im bashing it.
1123966;1431011256;from_vice;Can I find God here?
1123967;1431011262;danielpbarron;i pasted the webchat link in the vice article comments because their stupid javascript loads and renders the whole chat room on their article page. LOL
1123968;1431011266;nubbins`;this is way more boring than when the reuters reporter showed up
1123969;1431011280;nubbins`;danielpbarron ha
1123970;1431011283;nubbins`;link?
1123971;1431011286;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron wait, WHAT ?!
1123972;1431011297;danielpbarron;from_vice, paste the link at the top of your browser
1123973;1431011316;mircea_popescu;nubbins` frankly i'm moderately surprised anyone even reads vice at all. readership >= 1  is already above par.
1123974;1431011338;nubbins`;mircea_popescu it's like news, but related to you by your buddy who plays in a band and drinks too much
1123975;1431011342;nubbins`;future of journalism
1123976;1431011372;from_vice;I linked into here via the vice article link provided in the comments by someone--I feel a bit violated
1123977;1431011392;danielpbarron;whoops did i just eRape someone?
1123978;1431011405;mircea_popescu;1/10 for effort.
1123979;1431011406;nubbins`;danielpbarron new tab for me.
1123980;1431011409;nubbins`;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/unless-everyone-using-bitcoin-makes-this-radical-change-the-currency-will-die
1123981;1431011410;assbot;Unless Everyone Using Bitcoin Makes This Radical Change, the Currency Will Die | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSVGTr )
1123982;1431011417;danielpbarron;weird, it was doing it yesterday
1123983;1431011420;from_vice;Haha it's like jumping back to 1996
1123984;1431011422;nubbins`;guess they realized
1123985;1431011437;danielpbarron;i had to change my other links to bit (dot) ly things because of it
1123986;1431011446;mircea_popescu;nubbins` can you imagine the increase in demand for competent web engineers we've caused this year alone ?
1123987;1431011459;mircea_popescu;fetlife is hiring, vice is hiring, erryone's hiring. we might even make the gdp go up
1123988;1431011473;nubbins`;greatest divisor product
1123989;1431011476;nubbins`;now you're just making things up ;)
1123990;1431011488;mircea_popescu;no, i'm reporting.
1123991;1431011489;mircea_popescu;for vice.
1123992;1431011505;nubbins`;there's about a one in three chance that they'd publish an article you wrote for them about bitcoin.
1123993;1431011546;from_vice;Where are you guys from?
1123994;1431011557;mircea_popescu;and if i take to the streets of marakesh, there's about one in three chance random street urchin will suck my cock hoping for a hundred. what of it.
1123995;1431011574;mircea_popescu;from_vice we're from bitcoin
1123996;1431011577;nubbins`;heh
1123997;1431011579;mircea_popescu;the most serene republic of ~
1123998;1431011580;nubbins`;i'm from the internet
1123999;1431011617;nubbins`;mircea_popescu in my experience, skin and hash are proffered equally in marrakesh
1124000;1431011619;mircea_popescu;a right, we haven't fully colonized nubbins` yet. much like canada, he hangs on to antiquated forms that perpetuate the routing and interfacing differences in our society.
1124001;1431011625;mircea_popescu;if there's ever to be any progress...
1124002;1431011633;nubbins`;altho generally they start with "hashish?" and follow up with "massage?"
1124003;1431011633;from_vice;Oh I see, you are from the evil overlord master race, all makes sense now
1124004;1431011657;nubbins`;from_vice you're not far off the mark there
1124005;1431011671;nubbins`;bbl doing things
1124006;1431011679;mircea_popescu;by hand ? in cold water ?
1124007;1431011784;from_vice;You sure this isn't a 911 truthers' forum? I have some thermite to sell
1124008;1431011793;mircea_popescu;what's that ?
1124009;1431011827;from_vice;It's like Vegemite
1124010;1431011840;mircea_popescu;not thermite, 911 truthers
1124011;1431011841;mircea_popescu;!s thermite
1124012;1431011842;assbot;34 results for 'thermite' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=thermite
1124013;1431011843;*;danielpbarron is a 9/11 truther
1124014;1431011857;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron do you call emergency line and tell them truths ?
1124015;1431011860;danielpbarron;i question whether there were actually planes that hit the towers
1124016;1431011873;danielpbarron;heh
1124017;1431011879;from_vice;Towers?
1124018;1431011897;mircea_popescu;heh, the benefit of modernity. no event is ever going to co-exist with a consensus interpretation thereof.
1124019;1431011902;danielpbarron;well i'm pretty sure the towers existed. I saw them with my own eyes on a trip to NYC
1124020;1431011905;from_vice;This is all a hologram
1124021;1431011946;mircea_popescu;from_vice it'd seem your notions about what a hologram is are informed more by southpark than by physics.
1124022;1431011952;from_vice;Btw when does modernity ever stop?
1124023;1431011980;mircea_popescu;as used above, it prolly doesn't.
1124024;1431011985;mod6;asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ?  Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ?
1124025;1431012020;*;mircea_popescu just assumed plain
1124026;1431012176;from_vice;Well it's been swell, good luck with the taking over the world with superior quips. Now where did I park my car??
1124027;1431012281;lobbes;danielpbarron: you think it may have been an 'inside job' by usg? I have heard that pov from others, too
1124028;1431012317;danielpbarron;who else would care to do it?
1124029;1431012393;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron the problem with this is that they could have picked much less expensive, more impactful targets.
1124030;1431012430;mircea_popescu;cantor fitzgerald's been in the news recently due to their vice chair's fraudulent shenanigans and separately due to their general incompetence and gross mishandling of OPM.
1124031;1431012446;mircea_popescu;this firm is in its sorry state today because it was mostly wiped in that attack.
1124032;1431012465;mircea_popescu;who exactly in the usg do you think is or was served by wiping most of their army ?
1124033;1431012493;mircea_popescu;(and yes, in the 2000s, the finance ppls are the army. the grunts on the ground - roughly speaking cleanning crews)
1124034;1431012524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54776 @ 0.00022093 = 12.1017 BTC [-]
1124035;1431012533;danielpbarron;i don't really give it much thought
1124036;1431012586;mircea_popescu;makes two of us.
1124037;1431012741;lobbes;unless witnessed with own eyes, can't really verify one way or another. Of course, you can say that about any event
1124038;1431012746;lobbes;and then there's solipsism
1124039;1431012772;lobbes;which I always sort of bought into. I can't verify any of you really exist
1124040;1431012838;mircea_popescu;ever been to a magic show ?
1124041;1431012862;lobbes;no, just seen em' on tv
1124042;1431012888;mircea_popescu;your eyes are a particularly weak check, especially if it is known you will be relying on them exclusively.
1124043;1431012925;mircea_popescu;plenty of people making a living at this. in fact, three card monte exists specifically to exploit the thermodynamc gradient created by the "own eyes" meme/mental parasithosis.
1124044;1431012951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368120 @ 0.00022667 = 83.4418 BTC [+] {4} 
1124045;1431012979;lobbes;this is true. But even with the other senses, you still have to accept the assumption of 'an outside reality'
1124046;1431012990;lobbes;everything else builds off of that
1124047;1431013012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91030 @ 0.00022985 = 20.9232 BTC [+]
1124048;1431013133;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything. << fxd
1124049;1431013212;lobbes;but in terms of verifying events with own eyes, I do see that point. Not even possible in certain cases
1124050;1431013226;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah. wouldn't want random dude in a band that drinks too much read that and with his usual superficial comprehension skills decide 1% of keys are broken or some similar shit.
1124051;1431013235;mircea_popescu;god knows they do enough of that nonsense even without any help
1124052;1431013274;mircea_popescu;lobbes does the proposition that having two children each off two different women equal having four children total have to accept some sort of assumption about "the twu nature of numbers" ?
1124053;1431013429;lobbes;hmm, I think I get it; 'I experience something, therefore it exists.' Assumtion not really necessary for the experience
1124054;1431013448;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 11241 / Known Moduli: 10759 / Waiting for Test: 1361 timestamp
1124055;1431013465;mircea_popescu;lobbes something like that.
1124056;1431013561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145400 @ 0.00022072 = 32.0927 BTC [-] {2} 
1124057;1431013659;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1124058;1431015117;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/07/california_masonic_police_department_weird.html
1124059;1431015118;assbot;California "Masonic Police Department": Weird. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7OzO8 )
1124060;1431015141;mircea_popescu;reading old trilema articles ( http://trilema.com/2011/sa-belim-pula/ ) i'm suddenly illuminated : all the empowered feminist derps that bitch about how having to shave their cunt is wrong, novel and bla bla : how much smegma do they eat in the average week ?
1124061;1431015142;assbot;Sa belim pula on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7OBpi )
1124062;1431015167;mircea_popescu;because guess what : smegma is just as natural a byproduct of the sexual organs, of the other gender. and washing it off is certainly as novel bla bla as shaving the cunt.
1124063;1431015378;ben_vulpes;buenos diiiiias
1124064;1431015574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178800 @ 0.00022342 = 39.9475 BTC [+] {2} 
1124065;1431015595;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: why do you capitalize IRC logs on Trilema?
1124066;1431015631;mircea_popescu;seems better form ? i dunno.
1124067;1431015637;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1124068;1431015655;ben_vulpes;i halfway expected a philosophical tract on capitalization and blogs
1124069;1431015679;mircea_popescu;heh. trilema titles generally are an enigma.
1124070;1431015714;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 11497 / Known Moduli: 11013 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1413
1124071;1431015773;mircea_popescu;sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/
1124072;1431015797;ben_vulpes;at least it's not just sitting there depreciating anymore.
1124073;1431015808;ben_vulpes;now it's...being useful!
1124074;1431015821;mircea_popescu;yup, no argument.
1124075;1431015828;mircea_popescu;i kinda suspected it'll need a long time.
1124076;1431015846;mod6;!up ascii_field
1124077;1431015936;*;mod6 slaps assbots ass
1124078;1431015946;mircea_popescu;anyway, the exercise is interesting because it puts a ceiling on costs. doing a mathematically intricate, non-parallelizable task over ~the entire space of gpg keys~, all 4mn of them, is < 10k usd.
1124079;1431015968;mircea_popescu;the "millions" mike hearn derps about aren't only broken because shit, we're worth billions, even if he personally isn't worth two spits.
1124080;1431015976;mircea_popescu;it's also wrong because you don't actually need the millions
1124081;1431015983;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1124082;1431015992;mircea_popescu;wtf happened here.
1124083;1431015994;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1124084;1431015999;mircea_popescu;bitchez.
1124085;1431016000;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124071 << the 258 figure does not include the non-rsa submissions
1124086;1431016000;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 16:22:53; mircea_popescu: sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/
1124087;1431016018;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it does not, but im figuring : since the queue is not ever empty, it's a good measure for actual processing
1124088;1431016033;jurov;won't it get slower over time as gcd grows?
1124089;1431016035;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1124090;1431016041;ascii_field;jurov: n log n
1124091;1431016042;mircea_popescu;jurov supposedly only by log n
1124092;1431016047;ascii_field;theoretically
1124093;1431016062;ascii_field;(in practice, various boojums like cache miss will set in)
1124094;1431016096;mircea_popescu;!up rbtkhn
1124095;1431016114;mircea_popescu;anyway he has a point, 18 months above was linear.
1124096;1431016121;danielpbarron;hello rbtkhn !
1124097;1431016122;mircea_popescu;(the 10k was not)
1124098;1431016139;ben_vulpes;who is rbtkhn?
1124099;1431016221;danielpbarron;Robert Kuhne
1124100;1431016448;ben_vulpes;well key up, Kuhne
1124101;1431016570;mircea_popescu;what, the huobi guy ?
1124102;1431016745;danielpbarron;ya
1124103;1431016771;danielpbarron;he said he'd pop in here later, although I suspect that one wasn't actually him (someone else clicking the custom url)
1124104;1431016816;mircea_popescu;aha
1124105;1431016931;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124024 << read the mailing list. clearly printed on the box, 'thermonuke.'
1124106;1431016931;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 15:19:45; mod6: asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ?  Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ?
1124107;1431016960;*;ascii_field did not think there was any ambiguity in his reports
1124108;1431016977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114650 @ 0.00022221 = 25.4764 BTC [-]
1124109;1431016981;mircea_popescu;heh. there's ambiguity in the heads!
1124110;1431016986;mircea_popescu;but right you are.
1124111;1431017341;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: in principle, one can do clever things to weasel out of the cache problem - such as setting max product size and gcd'ing said parcels together
1124112;1431017403;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i tell you we might have to find a way to parallelize this, because as it is, it'll prolly be too slow.
1124113;1431017407;ascii_field;(much cpu is wasted on shuttling gigantic integer around)
1124114;1431017415;mircea_popescu;yeah
1124115;1431017423;ascii_field;the above is the one kind of parallelism meaningfully possible here
1124116;1431017432;mod6;ascii_field: ahhah, it does say it in the Email Subject. derp.
1124117;1431017458;mircea_popescu;do it in sets, maybe ? because positives are so rarely expected, take n numbers, gcd them all in pairs, then gcd the n/2 pairs together, etc.
1124118;1431017470;mircea_popescu;the pairs part is eminently parallelizable.
1124119;1431017567;ascii_field;sets, aha
1124120;1431017571;ascii_field;was what i wrote.
1124121;1431017590;mircea_popescu;yeah. rewrite ?
1124122;1431017633;mircea_popescu;downside being, of course, that we won't have any sort of usability in progress.
1124123;1431017676;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, this is very much like its own sort of blockchain syncing. the 4mn addies were created over 40 years or so. we can catch up in a year, by which time... more will have been created.
1124124;1431017771;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: would you share the code for splitting the gpg dumps up?
1124125;1431017798;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: happily
1124126;1431017820;ben_vulpes;ty
1124127;1431017878;BingoBoingo;Browsing various .edu domains for keys to submit I noticed there's a span from roughly 1999 to 2005-8 where DSA/Elgamal keys were way too popular
1124128;1431017898;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_F
1124129;1431017905;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1124130;1431017960;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fortunately it died.
1124131;1431017963;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: it's a very dirty kludge though
1124132;1431017996;ben_vulpes;http://mtomcal.github.io/HIV-AIDS-Concurrency-Sim/
1124133;1431017997;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjNnrI )
1124134;1431018120;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot-
1124135;1431018124;mircea_popescu;deedbot-  http://dpaste.com/2EJ5BR5
1124136;1431018125;assbot;dpaste: 2EJ5BR5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DUlxue )
1124137;1431018151;ben_vulpes;3.(18)?
1124138;1431018156;mircea_popescu;yes.
1124139;1431018158;ben_vulpes;exactly?!
1124140;1431018161;mircea_popescu;yes.
1124141;1431018166;mircea_popescu;diametric ^
1124142;1431018172;diametric;thanks
1124143;1431018174;ben_vulpes;parens are numbers now
1124144;1431018179;ben_vulpes;whocouldanode
1124145;1431018184;mircea_popescu;they were always numbers!!1
1124146;1431018198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120150 @ 0.00022105 = 26.5592 BTC [-] {2} 
1124147;1431018205;ben_vulpes;no, first they were scratches in the dust ancient lispers used to identify each other
1124148;1431018208;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes maybe you're not aware, but this is old style notation for periodicity.
1124149;1431018230;ben_vulpes;aha, i've only ever used the bar over the periodic part
1124150;1431018241;mircea_popescu;yeah. but not convenient to do in ascii
1124151;1431018265;ben_vulpes;you dun say.
1124152;1431018269;diametric;mircea_popescu: done
1124153;1431018297;mircea_popescu;omg wrong ammount!
1124154;1431018320;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1124155;1431018329;diametric;wait what.
1124156;1431018332;ben_vulpes;stop being so damn clever, herr popescu.
1124157;1431018344;diametric;oh hah.
1124158;1431018358;mircea_popescu;lol
1124159;1431018376;diametric;shouldn't that technically be 2.82
1124160;1431018388;mircea_popescu;no, it should technically be 3.1818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818
1124161;1431018393;diametric;ohh
1124162;1431018395;mircea_popescu;rounded to the closest full line
1124163;1431018420;ben_vulpes;just quote to the satoshi, man.
1124164;1431018426;ascii_field;next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth
1124165;1431018433;mircea_popescu;why ? make it easy for people ?
1124166;1431018457;ben_vulpes;to not make it unnecessarily ambiguous.
1124167;1431018468;mircea_popescu;tis not ambiguous!
1124168;1431018473;ben_vulpes;if you know the language.
1124169;1431018473;mircea_popescu;just difficult.
1124170;1431018477;mircea_popescu;^ :D
1124171;1431018488;ben_vulpes;the language having nothing to do with quoting prices for btc transactions.
1124172;1431018502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110700 @ 0.00022047 = 24.406 BTC [-]
1124173;1431018504;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1124174;1431018505;danielpbarron;ascii_field> next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth << or making bets that refer to it
1124175;1431018525;mircea_popescu;that's already water under the bitbridge.
1124176;1431018576;ascii_field;bets >> https://bitbet.us/bet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key << l0l
1124177;1431018577;assbot;BitBet - Phuctor will find a bad key :: 0.02 B (2%) on Yes, 1.08 B (98%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 94`192 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjOLuk )
1124178;1431018648;mircea_popescu;-NickServ- m_p!~matter_pa@49.207.189.76 failed to login to mircea_popescu.  There have been 3 failed login attempts since your last successful login.  << am i the only one so targetted ?
1124179;1431018771;ascii_field;when does it spit out this stat ?
1124180;1431018773;ascii_field;on login ?
1124181;1431018784;*;ascii_field hardly ever logs out and would not necessarily see it then
1124182;1431018789;mircea_popescu;as i was sitting here
1124183;1431019004;mircea_popescu;ascii_field http://dpaste.com/3ABYGTD < like that
1124184;1431019005;assbot;dpaste: 3ABYGTD ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjPSKq )
1124185;1431019020;ascii_field;woah
1124186;1431019293;diametric;http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/05/02/403865824/texas-governor-deploys-state-guard-to-stave-off-obama-takeover
1124187;1431019294;assbot;Texas Governor Deploys State Guard To Stave Off Obama Takeover : It's All Politics : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjQz6G )
1124188;1431019356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 303035 @ 0.00022966 = 69.595 BTC [+] {2} 
1124189;1431019453;mircea_popescu;wait. what ?!
1124190;1431019516;mircea_popescu;" We have so many military bases in the Lone Star State we could practically attack Russia." orly.
1124191;1431019533;*;funkenstein_ looks up from his iphone
1124192;1431019548;diametric;haha
1124193;1431019616;mircea_popescu;dude what the fuck am i reading
1124194;1431019646;diametric;insanity
1124195;1431019656;ascii_field;http://www.amazon.com/LoveBots-AC342-Love-Glider-Machine/dp/B00767NBUQ/ref=pd_sim_hpc_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1H2KVAHMMGK7KDZN26K2 << apparently exists
1124196;1431019658;assbot;Amazon.com: Love Glider Sex Machine: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjRhAI )
1124197;1431019738;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1124198;1431019749;mircea_popescu;stop saying dirty things to assbot, aflie.
1124199;1431019856;funkenstein_;so strange that the governor would want to monitor large groups of heavily armed out of staters
1124200;1431019857;trinque;NPR's a leftist rag.
1124201;1431019903;mircea_popescu;i laughed my ass off at this thing. absolute top kek, AAA++ would lol again.
1124202;1431019909;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUm2Im3SvtU << re: love glider
1124203;1431019910;assbot;Burn After Reading - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjRRyj )
1124204;1431019958;funkenstein_;ascii_field, just in time for mother's day!
1124205;1431019988;mircea_popescu;"The governor's proposition that these soldiers and sailors constitute a potential threat and need watching as they go about their duties certainly stakes out some new political ground for the leader of the Texas GOP to stand on."
1124206;1431019998;trinque;I love it
1124207;1431020000;mircea_popescu;this part, certainly. where's trinque to shed a tear over this
1124208;1431020001;mircea_popescu;aha
1124209;1431020008;ascii_field;civilwar cargocult
1124210;1431020017;ascii_field;(there was 'watching' immediately prior)
1124211;1431020024;trinque;"fuck the feds" is great TX politics
1124212;1431020031;mircea_popescu;ascii_field don't miss the most important point here. government has identified a new thing it could need money for.
1124213;1431020037;mircea_popescu;this is never ever going away.
1124214;1431020040;danielpbarron;"The biggest issue I have with The Love Glider is that the angle of the centerpiece where the dildo sits on the vac-u-loc plug is way to steep for any anal play."
1124215;1431020071;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron iirc the solution is to use softer rubber dongs
1124216;1431020151;danielpbarron;"This item came with a nut missing" << just one?
1124217;1431020654;mircea_popescu;trinque hmm, did deedbot- see the deed ?
1124218;1431020671;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 12404 / Known Moduli: 11547 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1584
1124219;1431020681;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2EJ5BR5
1124220;1431020682;assbot;dpaste: 2EJ5BR5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjTTPa )
1124221;1431020682;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1124222;1431020689;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2EJ5BR5.txt
1124223;1431020690;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjTU5I )
1124224;1431020690;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1124225;1431020695;mircea_popescu;aha my bad, had a space and no txt.
1124226;1431020751;trinque;cool
1124227;1431020765;mircea_popescu;907�96 ~= 9.5/minute
1124228;1431021369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46393 @ 0.0002225 = 10.3224 BTC [-]
1124229;1431022345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46243 @ 0.00022985 = 10.629 BTC [+]
1124230;1431023138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120915 @ 0.0002305 = 27.8709 BTC [+] {4} 
1124231;1431023154;fluffypony;the bitcoin-dev mailing list is on fire today
1124232;1431023185;fluffypony;but I thought BlueMatt summed it up nicely in a reply to Gavin:
1124233;1431023203;fluffypony;"You've been wandering around telling people that the blocksize will increase soon for months, when there is very clearly no consensus that it should in the short-term future. The only answer to this that anyone with a clue should give is "it will very, very likely be able to support at least 1MB blocks roughly every 10 minutes on average for the next eleven years, and it seems likely that a block size increase of some form will
1124234;1431023203;fluffypony; happen at some point in the next eleven years", anything else is dishonest."
1124235;1431023223;fluffypony;smackdown.
1124236;1431023226;fluffypony;drop the mic
1124237;1431023319;funkenstein_;why eleven?
1124238;1431023410;jurov;nice round number
1124239;1431023414;jurov;i guess
1124240;1431023433;fluffypony;funkenstein_: no idea, Gavin said this -
1124241;1431023440;fluffypony;"I would very much like to find some concrete course of action that we can come to consensus on. Some compromise so we can tell entrepreneurs "THIS is how much transaction volume the main Bitcoin blockchain will be able to support over the next eleven years.""
1124242;1431024004;jurov;gmaxwell:"Unfortunately, every indicator I can think of except fee totals has been going in the wrong direction almost monotonically along with the blockchain size increase since 2012"
1124243;1431024069;thestringpuller;everyone wants the exchange rate to go up so everyone can get rich. it's da most important metric here.
1124244;1431025335;mats;merr
1124245;1431025456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00023232 = 3.9727 BTC [+]
1124246;1431025494;danielpbarron;!up SecretFinCENspy
1124247;1431025551;SecretFinCENspy;danielpbarron,  psst... do you know how to launder paper money with crypto currency ??
1124248;1431025578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00023275 = 28.733 BTC [+] {2} 
1124249;1431025589;trinque;lol nice try fincen
1124250;1431025610;danielpbarron;step 1) use paper to aquire bitcoin. step 2) all done. money is now laundered. enjoy
1124251;1431026392;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1124252;1431026409;asciilifeform;arsebot?!
1124253;1431026445;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n1c >> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/07/us-usa-security-nsa-idUSKBN0NS1IN20150507
1124254;1431026447;assbot;      NSA's phone spying program ruled illegal by appeals court| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ju9OYb )
1124255;1431026567;SecretFinCENspy;we are saved :D
1124256;1431026574;SecretFinCENspy;you think they care ?
1124257;1431026839;trinque;"The appeals court did not resolve the question of whether the surveillance was unconstitutional."
1124258;1431026871;trinque;nor did it state whether words do or do not have meanings
1124259;1431027392;danielpbarron;!up SecretFinCENspy
1124260;1431027400;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1124261;1431027407;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1124262;1431027412;asciilifeform;wtf
1124263;1431027415;danielpbarron;imposter, you!
1124264;1431027454;danielpbarron;assbot cycled yesterday, so if you haven't upped since then, you aren't "authed"
1124265;1431028140;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 20000 @ 0.000206 = 4.12 BTC [-]
1124266;1431028262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00023301 = 11.9651 BTC [+] {3} 
1124267;1431028689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50172 @ 0.00023349 = 11.7147 BTC [+] {2} 
1124268;1431028750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122128 @ 0.00023538 = 28.7465 BTC [+] {2} 
1124269;1431029482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148612 @ 0.00023576 = 35.0368 BTC [+] {2} 
1124270;1431029517;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1124271;1431029548;mircea_popescu;fluffypony what "entrepreneurs" is gavin talking to anyway ?
1124272;1431029552;mircea_popescu;i've yet to meet one.
1124273;1431029571;fluffypony;BRO HE'S TALKING TO ENTREPRENEURS LIKE BROCK PIERCE SO SHUT UP
1124274;1431029586;thestringpuller;the kid from first kid?
1124275;1431029601;fluffypony;mighty ducks I believe
1124276;1431029603;ascii_field;inevitably brings to mind the ru prison parlance 'pierced pederast'
1124277;1431029604;fluffypony;I just refer to him as Pedobear Pierce
1124278;1431029621;ascii_field;(vs the yet-'unpierced' kind)
1124279;1431029630;mircea_popescu;brock pierce the cock piercing ? or some other ?
1124280;1431029635;fluffypony;you know that Brock has his PR firm labelling him as "the Godfather or Bitcoin" ?
1124281;1431029644;fluffypony;I shit you not
1124282;1431029659;ascii_field;'pierced' was understood as 'properly deflowered' vs merely proclaimed as lowered into pederasty
1124283;1431029671;fluffypony;http://www.details.com/culture-trends/critical-eye/201502/bitcoin-digital-currency-investors
1124284;1431029672;assbot;Can Bitcoin Clean Up Its Act?: Critical Eye :  Details ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn2VIn )
1124285;1431029675;mircea_popescu;fluffypony so are the twinkletwins of bitcoin taking this one sitting down ?
1124286;1431029691;fluffypony;"These glorified pep rallies represent just one aspect of a global campaign by Pierce—who's operated on the fringes of American business for the past 15 years—to reinvent himself as a trustworthy power broker in a volatile virtual realm and cement his claim to a title currently shared by many: the godfather of bitcoin."
1124287;1431029722;mircea_popescu;lmao
1124288;1431029733;mircea_popescu;what is wrong with these people, seriously.
1124289;1431029830;fluffypony;no clue
1124290;1431029846;mircea_popescu;but i mean... suppose you... i dunno, suppose you open a microbrewery.
1124291;1431029871;mircea_popescu;seriously, you're going to go tell people you're "the darth vader of beer" ?!
1124292;1431029874;danielpbarron;there's more than one reference to him touching the young hacker boys in that article
1124293;1431029912;fluffypony;danielpbarron: but he was just "around" in the mansion whilst that other guy was diddling 12 year old asian boys
1124294;1431029921;mircea_popescu;no wait
1124295;1431029924;fluffypony;he didn't notice them all lining up outside that guy's bedroom
1124296;1431029928;mircea_popescu;that was michael jackson i thought ?
1124297;1431029947;mircea_popescu;u-huuu
1124298;1431029951;fluffypony;omg mircea_popescu you don't even know
1124299;1431029952;fluffypony;http://pastebin.ro/cs5Lr0gO
1124300;1431029953;assbot;The Shady History of Brock Pie - PasteBin.Ro - Primul instrument de lipire din Romania! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn43LY )
1124301;1431029972;fluffypony;he gave a talk at Bitcoin Africa on "Bitcoin Investing"
1124302;1431029975;mircea_popescu;i know, i know, he had some derpy "wow gold" type scam that blew up a decade ago.
1124303;1431029983;fluffypony;and it was basically a pitch of his startup investment shit
1124304;1431029988;fluffypony;I can't even remember the name
1124305;1431029994;fluffypony;Crypto Investments or somethin
1124306;1431029998;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 13939 / Known Moduli: 12365 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1761
1124307;1431030021;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#968040
1124308;1431030021;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 05:05:12; asciilifeform: (it being, they get 'annointed' by handlers specifically for being thus malleable)
1124309;1431030028;ascii_field;^ re: why pedos
1124310;1431030035;mircea_popescu;2442�238 = 10.260504202 / minute.
1124311;1431030072;fluffypony;"The slim, dark-haired 14-year-old, who attended a small private high school in the Valley, befriended Chad's brother Scott, who led him to DEN. Mike had an interest in acting, so when Collins-Rector outlined the possibilities for stardom offered by the site, the boy began spending time at the mansion, where there was one key rule. He recalls: "If you were going to sleep over, you had to get into either the pool or the hot tub—and
1124312;1431030073;fluffypony; you had to be naked to do so." In an exclusive interview, Mike E. confirms having been forced to engage in anal and oral intercourse with Collins-Rector, Shackley, and Pierce while under the influence of drugs that he claims were fed to him without his knowledge."
1124313;1431030130;fluffypony;but the good news is that after all the diddling there was still room for him
1124314;1431030131;fluffypony;http://www.coindesk.com/brock-pierce-bitcoin-foundation-board-chairman/
1124315;1431030132;assbot;Brock Pierce Elected Bitcoin Foundation Board Chairman ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn4wOt )
1124316;1431030143;mircea_popescu;awww.
1124317;1431030158;mircea_popescu;wait, so just as we finally got rid of that dubious onlyonetv pedo character,
1124318;1431030165;mircea_popescu;another one sprung up ?
1124319;1431030172;mircea_popescu;wtf is this, some sort of conspiraci ?
1124320;1431030191;fluffypony;lol
1124321;1431030202;mircea_popescu;Another alleged victim, Daniel, tells a similar story. After being subjected to sexual abuse at M&C, he wrote a suicide note: "I can't stop crying! Please God help me. I can't go on. I let them use me as a sex tool. I let those assholes do all those terrible things to me. Goodbye." His brother found the note and alerted their parents before Daniel made any attempt on his life.
1124322;1431030212;mircea_popescu;is this what 14 yos write in their sucide notes ?!
1124323;1431030248;mircea_popescu;hitting all the talking points of the weirdo right in exact order, "please god" and "sex tool" and errything ?
1124324;1431030251;*;mircea_popescu is impressed. 
1124325;1431030336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162956 @ 0.00023603 = 38.4625 BTC [+]
1124326;1431030381;ascii_field;who is  0xC63673284FCE0A74 ?
1124327;1431030421;ascii_field;whoever he is - sks is silent
1124328;1431030455;ben_vulpes;what's of interest about 0xC63673284FCE0A74?
1124329;1431030471;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: signature under the pierce thing on paste linked earlier
1124330;1431030480;ascii_field;no one but me noticed ?
1124331;1431030481;ben_vulpes;aha
1124332;1431030512;ben_vulpes;it's brock pierce
1124333;1431030515;ben_vulpes;nobody but you cares maybe
1124334;1431030533;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: signed his own 'pierce is a pedo sc4mz0r' article ?
1124335;1431030536;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's not a puiblic key.
1124336;1431030559;ascii_field;well, technically it is
1124337;1431030568;ascii_field;but apparently no one made this publickey public.
1124338;1431030587;mircea_popescu;right.
1124339;1431030598;ascii_field;(wtf is the point of signing something that no one can verify ?)
1124340;1431030623;mircea_popescu;"no one"
1124341;1431030628;ascii_field;GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) << mega-l0l
1124342;1431030644;mircea_popescu;the string is arbitrary.
1124343;1431030649;ascii_field;sure.
1124344;1431030653;ascii_field;still l0l.
1124345;1431031018;mircea_popescu;ascii_field anyway, if that's what you're trying to establish, i can confirm the broad points.
1124346;1431031044;mircea_popescu;the salacious sex stuff not so much, but perpetual fraud, slapp/frivolous litigation and general mismanagement, sure.
1124347;1431031056;ascii_field;mandatory for election to phoundation
1124348;1431031060;ascii_field;we knew this for a while, yes
1124349;1431031080;ascii_field;in other news, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-VS-Code-IDE-Linux << pigs flying with massive jet engines, microshit vs for linux.
1124350;1431031081;assbot;Microsoft Releases New Code IDE For Linux! - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn7Ado )
1124351;1431031117;ascii_field;can't wait until 'ubuntu' ships with this.
1124352;1431031117;mircea_popescu;i dunno, by now linux is windowized enough. they can release their shit for systemd/ubuntu/glibc-with-modules/etc and pretty much have it right.
1124353;1431031124;ascii_field;aha
1124354;1431031128;trinque;hah!
1124355;1431031131;ascii_field;and poettering will proclaim it mandatory
1124356;1431031145;ascii_field;will release gendered comments compliance plugin for it
1124357;1431031153;mircea_popescu;because poettering is like gavin, the godfather of other people's computers.
1124358;1431031196;mircea_popescu;ascii_field btw, i don't think the pairs solution is the best thing. how about the following : cut keys into three groups. 1. keys that were submitted to web from outside ; 2. keys in the strong set ; 3. everything else. and always process 1, or if 1 empty 2, or if empty 3.
1124359;1431031201;mircea_popescu;that'll give us best of all possible worlds.
1124360;1431031249;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how to programmatically calculate strong set
1124361;1431031267;*;ascii_field does not have the definition handy
1124362;1431031277;mircea_popescu;"key signed by at least another key in the strong set"./
1124363;1431031288;mircea_popescu;however, i think i might just pull a list for you.
1124364;1431031299;ascii_field;works
1124365;1431031506;mats;does phuctor have an externally accessible api?
1124366;1431031548;mircea_popescu;ascii_field http://www.rubin.ch/wotsap/latest.wot < should be it
1124367;1431031549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn97QL )
1124368;1431031664;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1124369;1431031693;mircea_popescu;meh. actually, after a cursory look over the top 1k : http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/doc/top_1000.html it'd seem to me this wot is pretty much taken over.
1124370;1431031693;assbot;PGP key top 1000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn9ECb )
1124371;1431031792;mircea_popescu;Palfrader is iirc the tor derp
1124372;1431031924;mircea_popescu;i have nfi who Marcus Frings or   Karlheinz Geyer are, mako's key is an old 1024 bit dsa thing....
1124373;1431032294;mircea_popescu;mats notrly as of yet
1124374;1431032352;mircea_popescu;!up joecool
1124375;1431032356;joecool;thanks
1124376;1431032358;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot joecool
1124377;1431032358;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
1124378;1431032360;ben_vulpes;“If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” said our favorite uncle Warren Buffett on CNBC.
1124379;1431032362;mircea_popescu;o.O
1124380;1431032370;joecool;but i have L1 through the bot
1124381;1431032383;mircea_popescu;!rate joecool 1 Approximately new blood :p
1124382;1431032383;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a154513bf65e719f
1124383;1431032409;mircea_popescu;!v
1124384;1431032409;assbot;Need a decrypted verification string.
1124385;1431032412;joecool;is that OTP for me?
1124386;1431032417;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.joecool.1:2c46683c140832008f9f075f6b57d3ed645a84039674adf1ecda1c51ab5c2ef2
1124387;1431032417;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for joecool with note: Approximately new blood :p
1124388;1431032422;joecool;ah ok
1124389;1431032435;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wait, wait... he no longer believes in the future of america ra ra ra ?
1124390;1431032468;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: kinda the implication, neh?
1124391;1431032475;ben_vulpes;http://wolfstreet.com/2015/05/06/smart-money-prepares-to-profit-from-bond-market-swoon/
1124392;1431032476;assbot;“Smart Money” Prepares to Profit from Bond Market Rout | Wolf Street ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kncxms )
1124393;1431032488;mircea_popescu;swoon - rout lmao
1124394;1431032496;mircea_popescu;somebody changed the title but didn't know how to change the url ?
1124395;1431032654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85500 @ 0.00022848 = 19.535 BTC [-] {2} 
1124396;1431032706;Pierre_Rochard;^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me
1124397;1431032766;Pierre_Rochard;“If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” < If I had a non-risk way of doing anything in the financial markets, I’d do it too...
1124398;1431032778;ben_vulpes;dahoy
1124399;1431032786;ben_vulpes;<Pierre_Rochard> ^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me << that'd require having some kind of a clue
1124400;1431032880;Pierre_Rochard;does wordpress have that feature?
1124401;1431032934;joecool;there's a plugin that'll scan nightly for broken links you can use on wordpress
1124402;1431032942;joecool;even has option to point old dead links to the web archive
1124403;1431033553;BingoBoingo;Highlight of today's digging session: http://imgur.com/yZMEey3
1124404;1431033553;assbot;                        Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KniQXg )
1124405;1431033730;BingoBoingo;^ Pink "Double Knockout" rosebush, appx $30 or 0.13 BTC
1124406;1431033744;BingoBoingo;"Patented" plant type
1124407;1431034547;ben_vulpes;hola chetty
1124408;1431034604;BingoBoingo;!up tKM
1124409;1431035214;funkenstein_;!s dtcc
1124410;1431035215;assbot;0 results for 'dtcc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dtcc
1124411;1431035227;funkenstein_;nice roses :)
1124412;1431035386;BingoBoingo;Thx
1124413;1431035419;*;BingoBoingo awfully temped to propagate more vegitatively just because FU patents
1124414;1431035634;asciilifeform;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de2_1326399606 << death on a lathe
1124415;1431035635;assbot;LiveLeak.com - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIRxBp )
1124416;1431035713;funkenstein_;so the "double knockout" refers to some genetics?
1124417;1431035744;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Yeah, but apparently bred for said genetics rather than monsanto'd.
1124418;1431035765;BingoBoingo;Supposed to be incredibly disease resistant, but will see
1124419;1431035789;*;funkenstein_ recalls the story of the double knockout mice, missing both seratonin and dopamine, whom researchers still hooked on cocaine
1124420;1431035873;BingoBoingo;Yeah, not that kind of knockout.
1124421;1431035889;BingoBoingo;Knockout is the branded genetics.
1124422;1431035905;BingoBoingo;or Brand of this plant's genetics
1124423;1431035957;BingoBoingo;Wasn't looking to pick up a rosebush, but was at Rural King
1124424;1431036497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142100 @ 0.00022388 = 31.8133 BTC [-] {2} 
1124425;1431038266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68625 @ 0.000224 = 15.372 BTC [+]
1124426;1431038998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88674 @ 0.00022171 = 19.6599 BTC [-] {2} 
1124427;1431039700;cazalla;BingoBoingo, resistant to what? scale?
1124428;1431040267;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Fungi mostly
1124429;1431040401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114500 @ 0.00022127 = 25.3354 BTC [-]
1124430;1431040604;ben_vulpes;https://medium.com/@octskyward/crash-landing-f5cc19908e32
1124431;1431040605;assbot;Crash landing — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETyp7H )
1124432;1431040630;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ^^ relevant to memory stuff, relevant to block size wars
1124433;1431041172;mircea_popescu;!up jam__
1124434;1431041206;mircea_popescu;<Pierre_Rochard> does wordpress have that feature? << yes. if i change an url both the old and the new work, and the old redirects to the new
1124435;1431041255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124250 @ 0.00021904 = 27.2157 BTC [-] {2} 
1124436;1431041367;funkenstein_;if netscape goes down, the internet is broken right?
1124437;1431041438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101900 @ 0.00022127 = 22.5474 BTC [+]
1124438;1431041720;trinque;ben_vulpes: that dude uses the word "believe" a lot
1124439;1431041728;trinque;"Neither me nor Gavin believe a fee market will work as a substitute for the inflation subsidy."
1124440;1431041730;trinque;so on
1124441;1431041768;trinque;"Miners would include free transactions ordered by “priority” as they do today (calculated as coin age times value), and they’d do it because circulating bitcoins are valuable bitcoins."
1124442;1431041775;trinque;this is horse shit of colossal scale
1124443;1431041791;mircea_popescu;why do we care why random nobody believes or doesn't believe, again ?
1124444;1431041804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114550 @ 0.00021739 = 24.902 BTC [-] {2} 
1124445;1431041895;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude nice maria callas or w/e those are
1124446;1431041897;BingoBoingo;Because they still pretend to identity and need that stripped so that they be dumped naked in the cold rain
1124447;1431041908;trinque;sorting transactions by fees and dumping off the tail-end solves everything he brings up re: mempool getting too full
1124448;1431041966;mircea_popescu;doh.
1124449;1431041978;mircea_popescu;"but that would be like ... capitalism1!11"
1124450;1431041990;mircea_popescu;"how could the currency of the future be anything like capitalism!!!1"
1124451;1431041996;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's some sort of rose called "Double Knockout" which I find funny because abuse of genetics term by a plant geneticist. Not much to congratulate me on yet. All I did was pick them up from Rural King and put them in a hole.
1124452;1431042011;mod6;here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/0MGZ7M2.txt
1124453;1431042011;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETzSLf )
1124454;1431042023;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, they look a little wilted as is normal for a transplant but not much. seem they'll be fine
1124455;1431042121;BingoBoingo;masaging the roots seems it spent a bit long in the two gallon container and could have done well in a larger one.
1124456;1431042250;cazalla;BingoBoingo, no guerilla method of taking some cuttings and walking out? :P
1124457;1431042253;BingoBoingo;Hopefully the rosebush does well enough to pirate it next year.
1124458;1431042280;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Nah, I like Rural King. It is my kind of white trash chain retailer.
1124459;1431042383;BingoBoingo;It's the sort of place where you can pick up petunias, hatchling chickens, new pants, and an AR-15 all in one convenient location.
1124460;1431042456;cazalla;sounds great, we don't have anything like that here, best we've got are big hardware monstrosity stores, somewhat American in size but still no chickens or guns to be had
1124461;1431042539;mircea_popescu;well, no guns because not legal in australia, and no chickens because they;re not licensed to run a brothel.
1124462;1431042539;cazalla;bunnings, masters hardware.. were cheap places to get cheap tools but seeing australia no longer manufacturers anything, the big stores charge aussie prices for cheap chinese shit because where else ya gonna go?
1124463;1431042582;BingoBoingo;If rural king sold liquor and cigarettes I probably wouldn't ever have to shop anywhere else.
1124464;1431042754;cazalla;i did pick up another guava from the local bunnings a few days ago, a pineapple guave to go with my cherry one
1124465;1431042770;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54SdxmRHV6U
1124466;1431042771;assbot;Parks and Recreation: Ron's favourite store Food 'n Stuff - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zPxR45 )
1124467;1431042837;BingoBoingo;Cool. I have yet to really get to dicking around with edible plants yet this year
1124468;1431042862;cazalla;danielpbarron, ah look it's aubrey plaza.. love that chick
1124469;1431042981;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i'm hoping to replace everything here with edible plants.. axed down some random tree here (went axe instead of chainsaw) to make room for maybe a mulberry in the spring.. stump was a cunt to get out the ground
1124470;1431043008;cazalla;just gotta poison the missus' camellias so i can get some passionfruit vines in there or something else
1124471;1431043052;mircea_popescu;raspberries make decent vine-y bush sorts of things
1124472;1431043063;ben_vulpes;i suggest blackberries
1124473;1431043067;BingoBoingo;^
1124474;1431043072;mircea_popescu;also. but less thorny
1124475;1431043089;BingoBoingo;Blackberries bare better suited to my front garden, because thorns.
1124476;1431043117;BingoBoingo;Except then you get birds shitting purple all over when they come to gorge
1124477;1431043322;mircea_popescu;lol
1124478;1431043436;BingoBoingo;Otherwise I'd consider blackberry under the windows
1124479;1431043579;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124452 << how long has this been going ? and what are the units? and what even is this heathen thing
1124480;1431043579;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 23:40:11; mod6: here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/0MGZ7M2.txt
1124481;1431043626;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124430 << fud, snore.
1124482;1431043626;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 23:16:44; ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@octskyward/crash-landing-f5cc19908e32
1124483;1431043648;asciilifeform;somebody tell the poor philippinos to give it a rest.
1124484;1431043672;BingoBoingo;"All three cases are bad news. Bitcoin Core does not restart itself automatically. If a node dies or freezes up it requires the owner to notice restart it manually, each and every time." << Why should bitcoind care to restart itself? That's what python is for.
1124485;1431043674;mod6;I started it up few days ago just after I looked over the Orphanage_Thermonuke Patch: # ps aux | grep "bitcoind"
1124486;1431043678;mod6;root     11454 42.4  7.9 506848 313992 ?       SLsl May05 1797:41 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/ -daemon
1124487;1431043690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-very-hard-and-unrewarding-life-of-ismail/
1124488;1431043690;assbot;The very hard and unrewarding life of Ismail on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETBRzk )
1124489;1431043691;asciilifeform;mod6: what are the units ?
1124490;1431043693;mircea_popescu;in other words, meat is cheap
1124491;1431043719;mod6;its on a deb6 x86_64 environment.
1124492;1431043730;mod6;and units?  as in mem page size? 4096
1124493;1431043794;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/#comment-114071 << mega-l0ltron1cz in case anyone missed this
1124494;1431043794;assbot;Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETBXXF )
1124495;1431043831;asciilifeform;has the thing hit courtroom yet ?
1124496;1431043909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ismail << it's autogenned crud
1124497;1431043925;mircea_popescu;yes. by ismail.
1124498;1431043948;mircea_popescu;and no. i dunno what us you live in, but civil cases do not go to trail the same year
1124499;1431043957;mircea_popescu;that's for preet bharara's fraudmanship.
1124500;1431044014;*;asciilifeform somehow forgot that there is not a magical exception for especially lulzy cases
1124501;1431044074;asciilifeform;>> Por favor, un minimo respeto por el trabajador! <<
1124502;1431044079;*;asciilifeform falls down
1124503;1431044082;mircea_popescu;i dunno what us you live in, but the civil docket is A LOT lulzier than this. if there were a lulzy sorting algo i'd prolly never see a judge.
1124504;1431044152;mircea_popescu;(i seriously recommend this - go hang out in court for a few hours. divorce is best, tax is also pretty good, but even menial traffic tickets is golden often enough)
1124505;1431044184;*;asciilifeform did this. it was a mega-sn0re. medical malpractice featuring folks who were already almost entirely dead, traffic crud, etc.
1124506;1431044212;asciilifeform;though the jury thing was an epic lulzfest
1124507;1431044250;mircea_popescu;yeah, medical malpractice tends to be mostyly bathetic
1124508;1431044296;*;asciilifeform came very early in life to the realization that most people - and their problems - are simply not very interesting
1124509;1431044345;asciilifeform;even petty criminals, turned out, were not an exception to this
1124510;1431044434;mircea_popescu;the facts usually aren't. the effort and sheer flailing people expend at trying topretend otherwise...
1124511;1431044434;scoopbot_revived;The very hard and unrewarding life of Ismail http://trilema.com/2015/the-very-hard-and-unrewarding-life-of-ismail/
1124512;1431044530;mod6;asciilifeform: this instance is a "m3.medium" which is allocated 3.75 gb RAM.  the units in "free" and vmstat [free,buff,cache] are in bytes.
1124513;1431044549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00022178 = 13.706 BTC [+] {2} 
1124514;1431045464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195450 @ 0.00022461 = 43.9 BTC [+] {2} 
1124515;1431045570;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1124516;1431045570;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0002088 / 0.0002216 / 0.00023603 (9626820 shares, 2,133.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00019511 / 0.0002378 / 0.00031162 (33949296 shares, 8,073.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00027496 / 0.00033918 (97493408 shares, 26,806.97 BTC)
1124517;1431045634;mod6;got my pogo today :]
1124518;1431045642;asciilifeform;congrats mod6 !
1124519;1431045680;mod6;now i gotta get a drive, solder & soldering iron.
1124520;1431045703;mod6;and some wires... and a serial port
1124521;1431045704;asciilifeform;the soldering thing is not 100% essential
1124522;1431045723;asciilifeform;(but very convenient)
1124523;1431045734;mod6;ok. i've gotta read through all of the docs & logs like 3 times before I play with it.
1124524;1431045755;mod6;i do need some EE practice anyway.
1124525;1431045783;mod6;i gotta get one of those little chips too!
1124526;1431045795;asciilifeform;!s usb ttl
1124527;1431045795;assbot;3 results for 'usb ttl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=usb+ttl
1124528;1431045832;asciilifeform;^ goes with the pogo serial thing
1124529;1431045839;asciilifeform;(or were you thinking of something else entirely)
1124530;1431045865;mod6;ah there we go..
1124531;1431045878;mod6;i was talking actually about the other little guy.
1124532;1431045884;asciilifeform;esp8266 ?
1124533;1431045900;mod6;ah ha! yes. :]
1124534;1431045924;*;mod6 is excited
1124535;1431045928;asciilifeform;if not very practiced with soldering iron, get the variant with pins
1124536;1431045936;asciilifeform;that one can sit down on a breadboard
1124537;1431046038;mod6;ah, ok. only $3 on ebay.  ~$8-10 on amazon
1124538;1431046130;mod6;is this what it looks like with the pins then? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/181716608732?lpid=82&chn=ps
1124539;1431046131;assbot; ESP8266 Serial WiFi Wireless Transceiver Module Send Receive Lwip AP Sta Arduino | eBay  ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSF6ZJ )
1124540;1431046148;asciilifeform;mod6: aha
1124541;1431046154;mod6;ok gravy
1124542;1431046162;asciilifeform;mod6: that's one of the 2 types you saw at c3.
1124543;1431046175;mod6;ah, ok. seems right.
1124544;1431046180;mod6;breadboard is only $7
1124545;1431046229;mod6;there is a 75pc wire pack looks like i might need too, ~$5
1124546;1431046261;mod6;i will zap myself. question is, how many times lol
1124547;1431046274;asciilifeform;with 5v? l0l
1124548;1431046293;mod6;ah, *whew* guess you're right. no worries.
1124549;1431046296;asciilifeform;(notably, esp8266 is a 3v part. don't overvolt it)
1124550;1431046357;mod6;hmm. how do you regulate the input voltage?
1124551;1431046370;mod6;well, actually, best to talk about this later when i actually /have/ the stuff. heheh.
1124552;1431046391;*;mod6 is like EE preschooler.
1124553;1431046464;asciilifeform;unrelated >> http://newsru.com/world/01may2015/mexico.html << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper, torch a few random things
1124554;1431046465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBQRHo )
1124555;1431047233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58850 @ 0.00022254 = 13.0965 BTC [-]
1124556;1431047649;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1124533 << look even mod6 uses a variant on "aha" now
1124557;1431047649;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 00:45:00; mod6: ah ha! yes. :]
1124558;1431047667;mod6;haha
1124559;1431047837;ben_vulpes;http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/fun_dpb.html
1124560;1431047837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBTgBY )
1124561;1431047856;ben_vulpes;look danielpbarron there's a function in common lisp named for you!
1124562;1431047874;asciilifeform;and so does the not-yet-come-to-b-a ldb.
1124563;1431047910;ben_vulpes;i'm still waiting to meet cadddr
1124564;1431047921;ben_vulpes;and cdaddr
1124565;1431047927;trinque;oh man, many lols when I discovered that
1124566;1431047945;ben_vulpes;"give me this really specific leaf on the tree plz"
1124567;1431047970;ben_vulpes;tee hee common lisp u so silly
1124568;1431048003;*;asciilifeform will not admit to ever having used a 5+-letter abracadadra
1124569;1431048020;trinque;I used a 2 or 3 recently, held my nose while doing so
1124570;1431048021;ben_vulpes;abracadaddr
1124571;1431048059;*;ben_vulpes now has binary data, must now figure out how to do it
1124572;1431048063;asciilifeform;at any rate, there is a time & place for everything - even this
1124573;1431048071;asciilifeform;if 'sed' and even 'tr' have a place,
1124574;1431048081;asciilifeform;then so does cdadar et al.
1124575;1431048093;ben_vulpes;word from officemates was "this is the perfect thing to write in c!"
1124576;1431048108;ben_vulpes;how to do *things *to
1124577;1431048141;diametric;evening
1124578;1431048148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91252 @ 0.00022649 = 20.6677 BTC [+] {2} 
1124579;1431048174;ben_vulpes;hola diametric
1124580;1431048195;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes, there's also something in OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#dpb
1124581;1431048196;assbot;15 - The OpenBSD packages and ports system ... ( http://bit.ly/1dR5Rmo )
1124582;1431048211;ben_vulpes;hue
1124583;1431048279;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ << example of binary shenanigans that i like to give
1124584;1431048280;assbot;dpaste: 2E0CYZQ: Speakables ... ( http://bit.ly/1dR5Y1j )
1124585;1431048321;asciilifeform;^ not optimized in any sense
1124586;1431048354;danielpbarron;[,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third
1124587;1431048375;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: whoa where did that come from?
1124588;1431048390;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: come from ?
1124589;1431048406;asciilifeform;it is clearly marked, i wrote it based on a syllable set published (sorta) by old mr mold
1124590;1431048424;ben_vulpes;aha
1124591;1431048450;asciilifeform;try it out.
1124592;1431048460;asciilifeform;will give a good sense for how common lisp's bit-diddling primitives work.
1124593;1431048472;asciilifeform;at least - some of them
1124594;1431048472;ben_vulpes;did this syllable set (or some derivative) end up in urbit?
1124595;1431048511;asciilifeform;some variant of it
1124596;1431048523;asciilifeform;iirc this version was in the early non-advertised src
1124597;1431048582;trinque;is this urbit thing ever going to give sane names to its abstractions?
1124598;1431048598;trinque;every time it comes up I get interested, go try to read about it, give up
1124599;1431048614;trinque;"ships" lol
1124600;1431048616;trinque;ok.
1124601;1431048687;asciilifeform;trinque: at least initially, he used syllable gen to name -all- the ops
1124602;1431048708;asciilifeform;assigning more or less memorable, short names to useful things
1124603;1431048739;asciilifeform;the whole thing is/was an explicit, entirely deliberate departure from commonly-held 'sanity' and in so far as it was this, it was worth paying attention to.
1124604;1431048766;*;ben_vulpes ricocheted off the thing
1124605;1431048880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7948 @ 0.0002327 = 1.8495 BTC [+]
1124606;1431049120;BingoBoingo;Oh, look what the theater people are calling a vulnerability nao https://tails.boum.org/security/claws_mail_leaks_plaintext_to_imap/
1124607;1431049122;assbot;Tails - Claws Mail leaks plaintext of encrypted emails to IMAP server ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBUUDy )
1124608;1431049155;trinque;asciilifeform: would probably help one assess the ideas if it were possible to tell what they are
1124609;1431049162;trinque;"When Arvo is working, ^C cancels the event it's working on. This event never happened. Don't worry, nothing bad will happen to your computer."
1124610;1431049170;trinque;sounds awesome; typically called transactions not events
1124611;1431049192;asciilifeform;trinque: i was never even briefly interested in his top level of abstraction
1124612;1431049198;asciilifeform;it was and is braindamaged.
1124613;1431049204;asciilifeform;bottom two - more interesting
1124614;1431049829;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing
1124615;1431049833;asciilifeform;who knew
1124616;1431049856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00022311 = 18.5962 BTC [-]
1124617;1431049947;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I more astounded the "privacy" crowd still uses IMAP over POP3
1124618;1431049959;asciilifeform;<danielpbarron> [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third << i favour 'dehpehbeh', like 'kgb' is pronounced. but that's just me.
1124619;1431050087;BingoBoingo;I mean who seriously leaves emails on servers
1124620;1431050153;asciilifeform;folks who don't give a damn ?
1124621;1431050245;ben_vulpes;just us children of the cloud
1124622;1431050259;ben_vulpes;look everything sensitive's encrypted, what of it
1124623;1431050272;ben_vulpes;(and lots of stuff that isn't!)
1124624;1431050279;ben_vulpes;(EVERYTHING'S SENSITIVE)
1124625;1431050466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00022254 = 8.8905 BTC [-]
1124626;1431050488;asciilifeform;it isn't like enemy didn't get a copy of ciphertext in transit..
1124627;1431050530;trinque;I only send dick pics by smtp
1124628;1431050718;trinque;(admittedly I've put way too much effort into having email handled by a box under my own control)
1124629;1431050732;trinque;to what ends... probably none
1124630;1431050966;ben_vulpes;i want one
1124631;1431050972;ben_vulpes;or mebbe an account on yours
1124632;1431050999;trinque;yeh I can twiddle the knobs on postfix, wouldn't mind sharing
1124633;1431051016;trinque;maybe next hack night, provided I'm sufficiently drunk.
1124634;1431051034;trinque;postfix is ancient braindamage of a whole other category
1124635;1431051229;BingoBoingo;Nah, you send the dick pics on Snapchat so NSA can see and become demoralized and desensitized
1124636;1431051246;BingoBoingo;Let NSA see all the dick pics
1124637;1431051294;BingoBoingo;Break their spirit
1124638;1431051319;mod6;they love the cock
1124639;1431051334;trinque;ah the great dick revolution of 2022
1124640;1431051503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194100 @ 0.00022073 = 42.8437 BTC [-]
1124641;1431051930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00022073 = 14.0164 BTC [-]
1124642;1431051977;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/scott_sumner_on.html < "One of the things that disturbs me about the current world--and this is irrational, I suppose--but it bothers me that my children are growing up in a time when the return to setting money aside for the future is close to zero. So, when you say to them, 'You could save some money and don't have to buy everything with the money you have,' their response, which is correct,
1124643;1431051978;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHQpTx )
1124644;1431051978;decimation;is, 'Well, what's the point?' They look at their savings accounts, they are getting pennies. Pennies. And it's a fool's game."
1124645;1431052024;decimation;"Guest: Let's think about how strange that observation is. You're absolutely right. But just to drive home the point of how strange that is, this worry the people have, you and many others, is occurring at exactly the same time that Thomas Piketty has become famous making exactly the opposite claim--that the capitalists are doing better and better and the workers are doing worse and worse"
1124646;1431052418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111950 @ 0.00021904 = 24.5215 BTC [-] {3} 
1124647;1431052612;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> unrelated >> http://newsru.com/world/01may2015/mexico.html << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper << how convenient for the us that mexico is actually going through the motions ahead of it.
1124648;1431052613;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bBQRHo )
1124649;1431052628;mircea_popescu;who would have thought, the us copying mexico. except, of course, everyone aware of history.
1124650;1431052993;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing << how would tails cease being a thing.
1124651;1431053015;BingoBoingo;Same way Yellow Dog linus failed
1124652;1431053028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134750 @ 0.00022218 = 29.9388 BTC [+] {2} 
1124653;1431053038;mircea_popescu;too late to improve on tails.
1124654;1431053116;mircea_popescu;decimation "worry" eh ? it's a worry now.
1124655;1431053146;mircea_popescu;bitch, i don't "worry" about the future. i know what capital formation is, and what ownership is, and so on. these kids will never matter, because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means.
1124656;1431053173;mircea_popescu;this isn't a worry. this is empathy. i understand how fucked the bug is, even as i crush it under my boot. it is, after all, a bug.
1124657;1431053371;BingoBoingo;Yellow Dog linux similarly could not improve. Was PPC Mac linux, when PPC Macs faded and other *nic found the platform faded
1124658;1431053518;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh.
1124659;1431053597;mircea_popescu;anyway, to round off the capital thing : without ownership you can not force anyone to care about you. whether you can or can not force me to care about you, i will force you to care about me. the illustration of this narrative are the sufferances of young gavin. he drank the "piketty" aka libertard coolaid, and now here he is, wondering what the fuck happened.
1124660;1431053632;mircea_popescu;welllll... what else could have happened. "it's easier" is the siren song of the "you will NEVER matter" siren.
1124661;1431053760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11711 @ 0.00022272 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
1124662;1431053913;decimation;Russ's children being unable to gain 'risk-free' returns at the bank actually is a good thing in my opinion
1124663;1431053923;decimation;why should you gain 'without risk'?
1124664;1431054108;trinque;the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged
1124665;1431054166;trinque;smacks of the thing where nobody's capable of taking action unless externally "incentivized"
1124666;1431054243;BingoBoingo;<trinque> the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged << But you aren't saving, you are lending
1124667;1431054273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means << :
1124668;1431054280;*;asciilifeform l0lz as usual, because is one of these people
1124669;1431054293;*;asciilifeform 'knows what means' for what that's worth
1124670;1431054446;decimation;trinque: what about being charged for saving < http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/negative-interest-rates-may-spark-existential-crisis-for-cash < "JPMorgan Chase recently sent a letter to some of its large depositors telling them it didn’t want their stinking money anymore. Well, not in those words. The bank coined a euphemism: Beginning on May 1, it said, it will charge certain customers a “balance sheet
1124671;1431054448;assbot;Negative Interest Rates May Spark Existential Crisis for Cash - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P5bCOa )
1124672;1431054448;decimation;utilization fee” of 1 percent a year on deposits in excess of the money they need for their operations. "
1124673;1431054462;trinque;decimation: pretty lulzy
1124674;1431054477;decimation;of course, you pay to save gold too
1124675;1431054504;decimation;and bitcoin, for that matter
1124676;1431054513;asciilifeform;wai wut
1124677;1431054531;decimation;computers use power, cost money, expose one to risk
1124678;1431054618;decimation;https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/no-the-rich-dont-want-to-pay-more-taxes/ < "One reason such policies appeal to Richie Progressive is that the alternative he fears – the real fear – is populist-driven wealth garnishment, if not full-on ‘The Purge’-style unrest, expropriation, and lynching. By ostentatiously claiming to ‘want to pay more taxes’ he primarily hopes he is tossing the masses a bone (and the (D)s he helps
1124679;1431054619;assbot;No, the rich don’t ‘want to pay more taxes’ | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQuR8c )
1124680;1431054620;decimation;elect will throw them some bread & circuses) to keep them off his and his family’s back."
1124681;1431054675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131880 @ 0.00022299 = 29.4079 BTC [+] {2} 
1124682;1431054747;asciilifeform;^ obvious as daylight
1124683;1431054821;decimation;asciilifeform: his remedy: "For starters, (1) Get absolute rid of all tax advantages for setting up ‘Family Foundations’ and ‘Blind Charitable Trusts’ and all that BS. GET COMPLETE RID OF ALL SUCH STRUCTURES. (2) Giant wealth-tax – like 95% flat garnishment – on all net-worth above, say, $10 million.Then let’s just see how many Richie Progressives (not to mention Warren Buffets) of the world go around in the media
1124684;1431054823;decimation;saying they ‘want’ such a policy – and backing the (D) pols who propose it. "
1124685;1431054831;decimation;not gonna happen, but would be lulzy to see it tried
1124686;1431054853;asciilifeform;this is called 'dekulakization'
1124687;1431054932;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204
1124688;1431054932;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
1124689;1431054933;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, there are two goals - keep the underclass paid off and keep the kulaks from threatening your merit-washed heirs
1124690;1431054966;asciilifeform;dekulakization is the textbook separation of money from folks who thought it automagically bought power.
1124691;1431055099;asciilifeform;if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell.
1124692;1431055140;asciilifeform;(or, in most cases, separating you from your crumbs was not a thermodynamic win)
1124693;1431055330;decimation;asciilifeform: imagining that you can use the king's scrip against him is silly
1124694;1431055387;asciilifeform;aha.
1124695;1431055760;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/tax_burdens_by_quintile/ < note, the obstacles placed in front of 'rising kulaks' are subtle
1124696;1431055762;assbot;Tax Burdens By Quintile ... ( http://bit.ly/1P5d3MA )
1124697;1431055798;decimation;the top 20% pay 20% tax rate, and the top 1% pay 29%
1124698;1431055831;decimation;note that 20% hurts someone making $100k  way more than 30% hurt someone making $3 mil
1124699;1431055860;asciilifeform;the whole % thing is bogus
1124700;1431055872;decimation;so the rates 'look' fair while being a stumbling block for the up-and-coming
1124701;1431055877;asciilifeform;given as, e.g., many forms of de-facto income are not taxed in any way whatsoever
1124702;1431055927;decimation;asciilifeform: indeed.  also if you have $3 mil per year income, it is highly likely that you have many times that in net worth, and thus can modulate your taxable income at your leisure
1124703;1431056017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152550 @ 0.00022841 = 34.8439 BTC [-] {2} 
1124704;1431056166;decimation;asciilifeform: also note that the people at the bottom and top of the income spectrum have plenty of tax-free income opportunities
1124705;1431056170;decimation;not so much for the middle
1124706;1431056505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00023356 = 13.4531 BTC [+]
1124707;1431057726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115115 @ 0.00023313 = 26.8368 BTC [-]
1124708;1431058091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172500 @ 0.00023313 = 40.2149 BTC [-]
1124709;1431058884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68161 @ 0.00023486 = 16.0083 BTC [+] {2} 
1124710;1431059373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238008 @ 0.00023563 = 56.0818 BTC [+] {2} 
1124711;1431059409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun think you qualify.
1124712;1431059433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77242 @ 0.00023695 = 18.3025 BTC [+]
1124713;1431059447;BingoBoingo;cmon scoopbot_revived
1124714;1431059534;scoopbot_revived;ItBit Unveils New Board Confirming Qntra Report http://qntra.net/2015/05/itbit-unveils-new-board-confirming-qntra-report/
1124715;1431059557;mircea_popescu;lol wd
1124716;1431059638;BingoBoingo;Also guy who put "phone home" in Armory wants blocksize++ http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34093337/
1124717;1431059639;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIcpNU )
1124718;1431059674;mircea_popescu;d'oh.
1124719;1431059696;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the amusing dilemma of the defeated being, of course, that they're stuck either exposing themselves in a doomed charge,
1124720;1431059702;mircea_popescu;or else ensuring through silence the charge fails.
1124721;1431059711;mircea_popescu;it's a lot of fun watching the bug squirm.
1124722;1431059716;BingoBoingo;Now "phone home" isn't as bad as Hearn forking in March 2013, but phone home is still bad for people who chose Armory
1124723;1431059740;BingoBoingo;It took a lot of time to get the Qntra gloat piece at just the right amount of gloat.
1124724;1431059768;mircea_popescu;decimation : the idea that the poor have some sort of choice or whatever is so damned laughable. to quote myself, "Not only is the consumer about as screwed as is currently the case, but to everyone's benefit he has just been clearly proven yet again that revolt = being fucked in the ass harder, longer, with a thicker implement with sharper barbs on it. "
1124725;1431059798;BingoBoingo;And yet all of the people previously demonstrated to be aligned against Bitcoin while acting otherwise really seem to be sweating this
1124726;1431059857;mircea_popescu;they got their marchin' orders.
1124727;1431059860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00023695 = 4.194 BTC [+]
1124728;1431059883;mircea_popescu;the problem with not being an independent agent is exactly this : the loser's dilemma. either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
1124729;1431059885;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEbtN-aUUAA5317.jpg << lol Uk can't even be named
1124730;1431059885;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJAijm )
1124731;1431060051;BingoBoingo;In other news most of my meatspace contacts are now getting that rosebush as mother's day presents. Just looking at the odds it is almost inevitable of of their moms is going to pirate it.
1124732;1431060225;BingoBoingo;The fiat fail is a pattern though. People near the top like Blair and Bradley with ItBit or Altman with CoinBase say they are cool with the law and people lower down in Utah and Iowa say STFU they have laws too.
1124733;1431060288;mircea_popescu;"the top of the bottom of the swamp is a top too!"
1124734;1431060317;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell. << quite. and quite shockingly how it works in bitcoin too.
1124735;1431060349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212458 @ 0.00023801 = 50.5671 BTC [+] {2} 
1124736;1431060386;mircea_popescu;in other news, Submissions: 18160 / Known Moduli: 14733 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 2018
1124737;1431060394;BingoBoingo;Beautiful
1124738;1431060410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 313859 @ 0.00024115 = 75.6871 BTC [+] {4} 
1124739;1431060432;mircea_popescu;(18160−11497)÷744 = 8.95 / minute
1124740;1431060459;mircea_popescu;anyway, the strong set's not much more than 40-50k keys or so, iirc.
1124741;1431060500;BingoBoingo;Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways
1124742;1431060559;BingoBoingo;http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/07/california-busts-14m-scheme-to-bring-cans-bottles-in-from-arizona-for-recycling/
1124743;1431060560;assbot;California busts $14M scheme to bring cans, bottles in from Arizona for recycling | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJB9k2 )
1124744;1431060618;mircea_popescu;"busts" ?
1124745;1431060627;mircea_popescu;isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ?
1124746;1431060659;BingoBoingo;Seriously, YAY FEDERPERALISTM
1124747;1431060689;mircea_popescu;hey, anyone seen mel brooks' bvlazing saddles ?
1124748;1431060719;BingoBoingo;Who hasn't. With all the mongo and the beans
1124749;1431060807;mircea_popescu;great fucking film.
1124750;1431060849;BingoBoingo;Great might not be giving it enough credit
1124751;1431060880;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1124752;1431061582;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i dun think you qualify << why the hell not
1124753;1431061618;mircea_popescu;because you seem aware of the problem.
1124754;1431061630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233829 @ 0.000243 = 56.8204 BTC [+] {4} 
1124755;1431061641;asciilifeform;but, <mircea_popescu> ... either you charge to your doom or you get shot for treason.
1124756;1431061655;asciilifeform;notice that being aware, isn't a get-out-of-shit card
1124757;1431061668;mircea_popescu;i meant, you're aware of the ownership problem.
1124758;1431061674;asciilifeform;it is even conceivable that cockroach is aware of boots.
1124759;1431061693;mircea_popescu;that IS a get out of the circle card. because once you're aware, everything you do is more or less successful, but nevertheless in THIS line.
1124760;1431061707;mircea_popescu;whereas for the unaware, this question unposed, everything they do is a waste.
1124761;1431061743;asciilifeform;<BingoBoingo> Eh, I'm not sure how many keys that get "life critical" use would be in the "strong set" anyways << mircea_popescu has a link earlier, with strong set, and how it doesn't seem to contain almost anyone we know of any reason to give a fuck about
1124762;1431061761;mircea_popescu;it's exactly like the difference between knowing and not knowing that washing hands prevents peripueral fever. now, for as long as you don't know, you don't know. once you do know, it all reduces to a question of how well you washed your hands.
1124763;1431061768;mircea_popescu;it moves from metaphysics to techne, as it were.
1124764;1431061773;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm also thinking MPEx account keys, et al
1124765;1431061789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's mostly debian, practically. but mostly dead debian.
1124766;1431061804;asciilifeform;^ this would explain it
1124767;1431061830;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what keys are used in mpex is between the users and mpex, i haven't the slightest notion of what goes on there
1124768;1431061867;asciilifeform;nor even reason to think that most such keys are not - cooked for the occasion and not advertised
1124769;1431061900;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Hence life critical yet no reason to be in strong set. Many other "in anger" keys likely same or similar. If not now, soon.
1124770;1431061974;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i often wonder how many folks who use (used?) pgp historically, only habitually communicated with one party, and would've been better served by vernam
1124771;1431061979;mircea_popescu;the thing we're stumbling on here is that the usecase for pubkeys is really two distinct things.
1124772;1431061986;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu has it
1124773;1431061988;mircea_popescu;one is, key as to be used on mpex. the other is, key as to be used on deedbot
1124774;1431062000;mircea_popescu;these are almost perfectly orthogonal.
1124775;1431062067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform vernam = otp ?
1124776;1431062077;asciilifeform;aha
1124777;1431062094;asciilifeform;(in english lands often called vernam for the putative inventor of it there)
1124778;1431062124;mircea_popescu;the problem with otp is that it's bulky
1124779;1431062136;mircea_popescu;bulk is a PARTICULARLY venomous anti-property of secure items
1124780;1431062150;asciilifeform;i'm holding a 64GB microsd in my left hand
1124781;1431062154;asciilifeform;it weighs a gram or so.
1124782;1431062165;asciilifeform;bulky ?
1124783;1431062166;mircea_popescu;i thought you said historically.
1124784;1431062173;asciilifeform;historic as in history of pgp
1124785;1431062199;asciilifeform;e.g., a 4mm tape circa '95, held a good bit of otp
1124786;1431062203;asciilifeform;so it isn't a recent thing
1124787;1431062207;mircea_popescu;even so. 90s kid.
1124788;1431062212;asciilifeform;(and tape was considerably easier to zap)
1124789;1431062259;asciilifeform;https://www.csis.gc.ca/hstrrtfcts/images/photos/max_truck2.jpg << historic otp
1124790;1431062260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJDvPV )
1124791;1431062267;asciilifeform;not so bulky, either.
1124792;1431062275;asciilifeform;fit handily in arse safe - with magnifier, yes
1124793;1431062287;mircea_popescu;keyring is kbs.
1124794;1431062303;pete_dushenski;looks like pipe (left), papers (middle), and grinder (right)
1124795;1431062312;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: aha you can smoke it
1124796;1431062318;asciilifeform;and people did.
1124797;1431062324;pete_dushenski;lol!
1124798;1431062338;asciilifeform;otp paper traditionally was selected to burn crisply
1124799;1431062391;BingoBoingo;http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/05/07/amazing_deals_just_for_you_and_you_you_too.php
1124800;1431062391;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1124801;1431062393;assbot;Amazing Deals Just For You. And You. You, Too.. In the Pipeline:  ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5ilDF )
1124802;1431062394;pete_dushenski;sounds like a charming way to cover one's paper trail
1124803;1431062406;asciilifeform;http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/pics/csis-battery.jpg << otp holder.
1124804;1431062406;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5ioiB )
1124805;1431062427;mircea_popescu;ahahaha that's a soviet trick
1124806;1431062431;asciilifeform;^ i do not know if this belonged to ogorodnik, the famous ru traitor in whose case a battery figured
1124807;1431062438;asciilifeform;(and a cyanide pen, which he used successfully)
1124808;1431062452;asciilifeform;i also do not know if the battery actually supplied the requisite 1.5v
1124809;1431062457;asciilifeform;which would've been a classy touch
1124810;1431062463;mircea_popescu;afaik they do
1124811;1431062471;mircea_popescu;(have a thinner one in there, not so hard to do)
1124812;1431062479;asciilifeform;not hard (include a silver oxide watch cell)
1124813;1431062505;asciilifeform;incidentally this battery is a very good beginner lathe project.
1124814;1431062509;asciilifeform;use your imagination.
1124815;1431062629;mircea_popescu;http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2015/05/07/how-fake-news-articles-and-lies-about-billionaires-were-used-to-market-an-iffy-dietary-supplement/ << speaking of ismail
1124816;1431062631;assbot;How Fake News Articles And Lies About Billionaires Were Used To Market An Iffy Dietary Supplement - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5iG9b )
1124817;1431062636;mircea_popescu; The company that makes the supplements disavowed ownership of these advertisements, saying that they were produced by �affiliate marketers� who were not its responsibility. In fact, many of the websites investigated by Forbes traced back to a single individual whose phone voice mail said he worked at a carpet cleaning business. One of the product�s pages � BrainStormElite.org, but not BrainStormElite.com �
1124818;1431062636;mircea_popescu;is registered to a self-styled new age internet entrepreneur.
1124819;1431062725;pete_dushenski;sounds like coindesk's scamz
1124820;1431062745;asciilifeform;http://kobolt.dyndns.org/infocenter/index.php?article=8 << otp is perennial favourite of folks writing own cipherator
1124821;1431062745;assbot;Kjetil's Information Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5iO8C )
1124822;1431062746;pete_dushenski;"i swear it wasn't us!"
1124823;1431062758;pete_dushenski;coinbase et al. too
1124824;1431062806;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it would be eh.
1124825;1431062848;pete_dushenski;tough competition out there.
1124826;1431062866;pete_dushenski;all these derps competing over teh same stack of other, less crafty derps.
1124827;1431062989;scoopbot_revived;Blazing Saddles http://trilema.com/2015/blazing-saddles/
1124828;1431063072;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: "adowable" << cute ;)
1124829;1431063081;mircea_popescu;hehe
1124830;1431063224;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: "If you wish to make a name for yourself, find a way - preferably, a systematic way - out of this conundrum." << systematic being... this place ?
1124831;1431063228;pete_dushenski;what else ?
1124832;1431063246;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: nah systematic is - atomic dirigible.
1124833;1431063261;pete_dushenski;pff nonsense
1124834;1431063268;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nono, what's being discussed there is the monthy pyton problem.
1124835;1431063274;asciilifeform;well, submarine also works, sure.
1124836;1431063280;mircea_popescu;find a way to make creative lines have a good punch line.
1124837;1431063306;mircea_popescu;�I have many irons in the fire when it comes to projects,� Shanks writes on his website, �from health, to wealth, to blogging and establishing a community movement, my arms are ready and my eyes wide open to welcome as many of you as I can, to serve a higher purpose, help others create success, happiness and prosperity in life.�
1124838;1431063311;mircea_popescu;that forbes article is fucking epic.
1124839;1431063320;mircea_popescu;Who is Troy? [Athlete 2 Alchemist 2 Alpha]
1124840;1431063335;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: is this monty python approach not more broadly applicable ?
1124841;1431063353;mircea_popescu;http://troyshanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/troyshanks-power-transformation.jpg << this fucking twerp. unemployed best grip or w/e he is.
1124842;1431063355;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJF9kD )
1124843;1431063374;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i have nfi.
1124844;1431063376;asciilifeform;wat even is this horror
1124845;1431063381;pete_dushenski;ah, the sweet seductive power of the ponytail.
1124846;1431063395;mircea_popescu;http://troyshanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/troyshanks-wavy-lifestyle.jpg << wavy lyfestyle
1124847;1431063397;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJFbZK )
1124848;1431063397;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: well then what chance does anyone else have !
1124849;1431063399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00024377 = 25.7177 BTC [+]
1124850;1431063400;mircea_popescu;totally ponytail.
1124851;1431063428;pete_dushenski;that's at least 3 years of growth right there.
1124852;1431063429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some "internet entrepreneur" dedicated to "creating freedom"
1124853;1431063446;mircea_popescu;or in other words : bitcoin idiots / the sort of "entrepreneurs" gavin talks to weren't invented by bitcoin.
1124854;1431063461;mircea_popescu;they pre-existed it, and will continue to indefinitely exist. like any other weed.
1124855;1431063564;mircea_popescu;"My message has always been the same. Hard Work, Dedication, and have been the core wisdom I hope to transfer into you as a thank you for reading, visiting, and absorbing my thoughts, feelings, and outlook on life."
1124856;1431063583;mircea_popescu;hopefully they have three pills for him.
1124857;1431063605;pete_dushenski;advil, aspirin, cyanide.
1124858;1431063643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16744 @ 0.00024416 = 4.0882 BTC [+] {2} 
1124859;1431063660;mircea_popescu;i was thinking more like... acid, ecstasy, cocaine.
1124860;1431063677;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to watch, or in his own words, "From Higher Health to Inner Wealth, Levitational Perception helps ~Levitate your mind, Elevate your game~ Be You. Stay True. Stay Sweet. Stay Sexy. ~Stay Wavy Baby~"
1124861;1431063702;pete_dushenski;not so different from tony robbins really.
1124862;1431063702;mircea_popescu;he probably goes around the mall in whatever ohio he lives in, saying "stay wavy baby" to tgi tuesdays waitresses and shoe store attendants.
1124863;1431063706;asciilifeform;what kind of dope does one have to take to be at the slightest risk from this pitch ?
1124864;1431063715;pete_dushenski;and 'big hands' pulls in tens of millions a year.
1124865;1431063724;mircea_popescu;not everyone went to the same kindergarten as you, asciilifeform
1124866;1431063738;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski does he need bigger blocks ?
1124867;1431063763;pete_dushenski;tony ?
1124868;1431063797;asciilifeform;speaking of which, anyone have, or know of someone who knows of someone who have, in the flesh, products from vendor: http://www.mils.com
1124869;1431063798;assbot;Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5k0sS )
1124870;1431063822;asciilifeform;(their site barely works. esp. hilarious for folks who sell a $maxint gadget)
1124871;1431063833;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r03L0NsFmiM << wtf big hands... i meant BANANA hands.
1124872;1431063835;assbot;Shallow Hal - Devils come out - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5k23N )
1124873;1431063871;mircea_popescu;domainfactory GmbH ? srsly ?
1124874;1431063879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform never heard of them, and it looks exactly like a scam.
1124875;1431063887;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: naturally a scam
1124876;1431063895;asciilifeform;but i have long wished to ascertain -what kind- of scam.
1124877;1431063946;asciilifeform;afaik they are presently the only vendor offering (claimed) otptrons of whatever variety.
1124878;1431063951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://viewdns.info/reverseip/?host=141.0.23.12&t=1 < this kind.
1124879;1431063952;assbot;Reverse IP Lookup - ViewDNS.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJG5FN )
1124880;1431063985;asciilifeform;^ pathological misers also explain
1124881;1431064014;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1124882;1431064030;asciilifeform;but there is no question that sc4mz0r1ng. just that they do ship actual iron, it floats around. but i wish to learn, at some point, how they poison it
1124883;1431064051;mircea_popescu;if they do ship what's the problem with ordering
1124884;1431064068;asciilifeform;$maxint presumably
1124885;1431064086;asciilifeform;and i have my doubts that they would sell to me in particular
1124886;1431064092;asciilifeform;even if brought $maxint
1124887;1431064125;mircea_popescu;so then misers ? eh... i bet you one thing, they'll gladly take your money.
1124888;1431064130;mircea_popescu;"The creative essence within the story of �Troy Shanks (Athelete to Alchemist to Alpha)� is about Perpetual Regeneration to Levitational Perception.  That is, the foundational biological imperative concept of Higher Health to Inner Wealth (Internal Paradise = External Reflection).
1124889;1431064130;mircea_popescu;As virtually limitless amounts of cosmic epiphanies began to dawn on me, timeless transcendence of my timelessly presence in the �Holy Shift of B.S.� (belief systems) about universal life started a Higher Truth transformation twist in my life from I to We (think illness to wellness)."
1124890;1431064139;asciilifeform;this is by no means an urgent matter, i ask now so that possibly can learn answer year, two, three, from now.
1124891;1431064177;mircea_popescu;and this, my dear friends, is what early schizophrenia looks like.
1124892;1431064181;asciilifeform;and i bet folks using the diddled otptrons would be very excited to learn what has been done to them.
1124893;1431064183;mircea_popescu;the word clustering is a very sad sign.
1124894;1431064217;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the holy shit of bs i intend to steal, it's pretty good.
1124895;1431064224;asciilifeform;fella needs to tune his shannonizer methinks
1124896;1431064231;asciilifeform;at least, lubricate it on occasion
1124897;1431064243;asciilifeform;it - almost audibly, squeaks.
1124898;1431064268;mircea_popescu;the shanonizer in question runs on his own personal wetware, and the squeaks you hear have names.
1124899;1431064309;mircea_popescu;"With so many words of wisdom at-hand to express my creative play on words, deciding which in-formation of thoughts, feelings, and actions to choose from to impose my identity with is not easy. Acting with effortless presence in a transcendental meditative state in our beautiful blue biosphere of biological beings is becoming the best, greatest, highest version of our SELF."
1124900;1431064311;asciilifeform;re: certified nutters: did we ever get terry davis in here ?
1124901;1431064314;mircea_popescu;shit's almost as good as timecube.
1124902;1431064319;mircea_popescu;i dun think so.
1124903;1431064363;asciilifeform;unlike every other schizo afaik, davis is not satisfied merely with wetware shannonizer
1124904;1431064367;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: wavy's quote is "holy shiFt of bs" if it makes a difference.
1124905;1431064369;asciilifeform;and uses a mechanical one of own design
1124906;1431064387;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski o im aware.
1124907;1431064415;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect that difference would be lost on him.
1124908;1431064552;asciilifeform;http://www.cryptomuseum.com/manuf/mils << further re: mils corp.
1124909;1431064553;assbot;Mils Electronic ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5kPSm )
1124910;1431064621;asciilifeform;^ the more recent history has the flavour of being literally copied from a spambrochure
1124911;1431064783;mircea_popescu;Mils Electronic Gesmbh & Co.kg does not have any Key Executives recorded.
1124912;1431064795;mircea_popescu;bloomberg never heard of em
1124913;1431064806;asciilifeform;i bet it's a walking corpse, like symbolics tech. 1998+
1124914;1431064820;asciilifeform;(holding co. owning assets of a historic carcass)
1124915;1431064852;asciilifeform;either this, or 'crypto museum' has a great deal to answer for.
1124916;1431064911;asciilifeform;and isn't it a private firm ?
1124917;1431064922;asciilifeform;why would bloomberg et al necessarily know anything of it
1124918;1431064989;mircea_popescu;wouldn't necessarily know anything, no. nevertheless... what government do they sell to ? turkmenistan ?
1124919;1431065027;asciilifeform;these outfits don't normally sell to governments (outside of turkmenistan's weight class) - these issue gear to own personnel -
1124920;1431065033;asciilifeform;but to likewise private concerns
1124921;1431065042;asciilifeform;as the infamous crypto ag did (does!)
1124922;1431065075;mircea_popescu;https://firmen.wko.at/Web/DetailsInfos.aspx?FirmaID=67e398e2-7bb7-4784-b40c-c25527d91a02&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
1124923;1431065076;assbot;Mils-Electronic Gesellschaft m.b.H. & Co. Kommanditgesellschaft - IT-Dienstleistung - Firmeninfos - Handel, Information und Consulting - Firmen A-Z ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5lx1R )
1124924;1431065076;mircea_popescu;there.
1124925;1431065141;mircea_popescu;one Otto Kugler. they've permits in relevant fields it seems.
1124926;1431065143;asciilifeform;if the 'museum' is to be believed, these people - until very recently - sold exclusively vernamators.
1124927;1431065247;*;asciilifeform wonders if the machines evolved in the same direction as mils's www site
1124928;1431065330;mircea_popescu;want me to drop em an email see ?
1124929;1431065334;asciilifeform;sure!
1124930;1431065376;asciilifeform;imho it is worth looking into, because 1) without question they are under the usg glass dome and 2) serious, otherwise educated folks may very well be in the chumpset
1124931;1431065403;mircea_popescu;anwyay, your museum piece doth not mention the ceo/cfo/etc kugler guy.
1124932;1431065440;asciilifeform;3) i won't spoil all of the surprises, but the usb gadget pictured in the photo on cryptomuseum's www does not look anywhere near large enough to contain, e.g., independent power source
1124933;1431065443;asciilifeform;or auditable rng, etc.
1124934;1431065475;*;asciilifeform to be
1124935;1431065476;asciilifeform;d
1124936;1431065484;asciilifeform;to bed.
1124937;1431065759;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1124938;1431065760;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.64, Best ask: 237.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 237.69, 24 hour volume: 26606.23381427, 24 hour low: 227.81, 24 hour high: 239.79, 24 hour vwap: None
1124939;1431065900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.0002417 = 23.3724 BTC [-]
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1124941;1431066269;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1bf063dbc8203a7e
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1124943;1431066310;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ea7b21a06c00f816
1124944;1431066439;mircea_popescu;!rate ben_vulpes 4 B,TMSR~ secret spy and influence agent in Cascadia
1124945;1431066439;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/75a0a97382fe3c25
1124946;1431066474;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1124745 <<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2O_l0RUH4E
1124947;1431066474;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 04:50:27; mircea_popescu: isn't THE POINT of the thing to GET THE CANS ?
1124948;1431066475;assbot;Seinfeld - Kramer and Newman sings bottles/cans - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5nxqZ )
1124949;1431066487;mircea_popescu;cazalla srsly.
1124950;1431066522;mircea_popescu;!rate asciilifeform 4 He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor.
1124951;1431066522;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/eb42fe96a13f1fd9
1124952;1431066561;mircea_popescu;!rate fabianb 1 Not seen for a while now.
1124953;1431066561;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e67adaa0bd5aa954
1124954;1431066596;cazalla;as a kid, some friends and i use to go around collecting cans, weekends were best after local cricket.. stuff some and in there for extra weight and earn yourself $2 for a bag of lollies
1124955;1431066612;cazalla;if someone is willing to truck em interstate, all the more to em i say
1124956;1431066622;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1124957;1431066640;cazalla;stuff some sand i meant to say
1124958;1431066656;*;cazalla has begun knocking back the booze
1124959;1431066659;mircea_popescu;!rate davout 4 X.EUR, apparently working on the proper French pronounciation of "pogo"
1124960;1431066659;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c469f632383b6fcf
1124961;1431066668;mircea_popescu;cazalla how's that working out ?
1124962;1431066696;cazalla;drinking? i don't drink as much as i did before my  short stint working, but now back at home each day, figured why not have a drink tonight
1124963;1431066708;mircea_popescu;!rate azelphur 1  Not seen for a while now.
1124964;1431066708;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/50fbcfb28b46cb17
1124965;1431066722;mircea_popescu;i find myself drinking less and less ;/
1124966;1431066746;cazalla;well you probably don't have much reason to do so
1124967;1431066759;cazalla;seeing the missus and kid 24/7 again drives one to crack open a bottle or two
1124968;1431066764;mircea_popescu;!rate williamdunne 3 Nice work on the scoop.
1124969;1431066764;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c4d968238c002c67
1124970;1431066775;mircea_popescu;cazalla so take solace in work :D
1124971;1431066808;mircea_popescu;!rate trinque 3 Nice work on the deedbot
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1124973;1431066851;mircea_popescu;!rate danielpbarron 3 Logician in charge of logistics.
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1124975;1431066912;mircea_popescu;!rate pizzaman1337 1 Not seen for a while now.
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1124977;1431066947;mircea_popescu;!rate rdponticelli 1 Not seen for a while now.
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1124979;1431067053;mircea_popescu;!unrate dwon
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1124981;1431067099;mircea_popescu;!unrate splatster
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1124983;1431067133;mircea_popescu;!unrate brendio
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1124985;1431067181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124150 @ 0.00024837 = 30.8351 BTC [+] {4} 
1124986;1431067204;mircea_popescu;!unrate  jine
1124987;1431067204;assbot; is not registered in WoT.
1124988;1431067208;mircea_popescu;!unrate jine
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1124990;1431067225;*;pete_dushenski curious, but too tired to see if he ends up plussed (or negged!) in this evening's ratings updates par mp. 
1124991;1431067239;pete_dushenski;with that, a demain !
1124992;1431067303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128100 @ 0.00025071 = 32.116 BTC [+] {2} 
1124993;1431067486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00024285 = 15.3724 BTC [-]
1124994;1431067542;mircea_popescu;!rate phantomcircuit -10 One of the Bitcoinica scammers. Also famous for having sent the whole userbase the emails of the whole userbase back when he was running some derpy "exchange" thing. Altogether the lowest sort of scum infesting Bitcoin - whenever you interact with him god kills a kitten.
1124995;1431067542;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/08b06079b7dd27f9
1124996;1431067572;mircea_popescu;how the fuck i missed that schmuck is beyond me.
1124997;1431067576;mircea_popescu;;;googe ident
1124998;1431067577;gribble;Error: "googe" is not a valid command.
1124999;1431067580;mircea_popescu;;;ident
1125000;1431067580;gribble;Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
1125001;1431067590;mircea_popescu;shit i forgot how to do this.
1125002;1431067650;mircea_popescu;;;eauth
1125003;1431067650;gribble;(eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
1125004;1431067653;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu
1125005;1431067653;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
1125006;1431067674;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d35caba4fd90515600914234ae6796f76d683934336b73edf405a4dd
1125007;1431067675;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
1125008;1431067680;mircea_popescu;;;rated phantomcircuit
1125009;1431067680;gribble;You rated user phantomcircuit on Tue Feb 10 15:24:55 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for (1 more message)
1125010;1431067709;mircea_popescu;oh. okay.
1125011;1431068989;cazalla;damn, shit comes full circle when ben "one man holocaust" garrison is doing request for pol on 8chan https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/based-hotwheels.jpg?w=640 http://40.media.tumblr.com/266e57681e0ed46a166a18f3e43a947d/tumblr_nnr3wuovSh1titub2o1_500.jpg
1125012;1431068990;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtXx81 )
1125013;1431068992;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtXxou )
1125014;1431069865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245100 @ 0.00024299 = 59.5568 BTC [+]
1125015;1431070292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112350 @ 0.00024567 = 27.601 BTC [+] {2} 
1125016;1431070658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66930 @ 0.00025118 = 16.8115 BTC [+]
1125017;1431070841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125644 @ 0.0002417 = 30.3682 BTC [-] {2} 
1125018;1431071634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141777 @ 0.00024949 = 35.3719 BTC [+] {2} 
1125019;1431072976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33579 @ 0.00025217 = 8.4676 BTC [+] {2} 
1125020;1431073037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89684 @ 0.00025439 = 22.8147 BTC [+]
1125021;1431075416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00025439 = 19.6643 BTC [+]
1125022;1431077822;cazalla;fkn logs hard to read with a drunken costanza squint
1125023;1431077840;cazalla;feels like a million miles away from the monitor
1125024;1431077856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121900 @ 0.00024886 = 30.336 BTC [-]
1125025;1431077894;cazalla;the tony robbins shit.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yu7HF8j4E
1125026;1431077896;assbot;Tony Robbins and The Syndicate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgHmWl )
1125027;1431078344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135633 @ 0.00024886 = 33.7536 BTC [-]
1125028;1431078710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136100 @ 0.00025574 = 34.8062 BTC [+] {2} 
1125029;1431079259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00024886 = 6.2588 BTC [-]
1125030;1431079433;cazalla;unban vexual da fuck is this racism against true blue australians :\
1125031;1431079484;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0 let's turn it up and upboat this vidya to unban the vexual, the true blue aussie if ya ever saw one
1125032;1431079486;assbot;Dire Straits - Money For Nothing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgLzJC )
1125033;1431079756;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-82dn75bg
1125034;1431079757;assbot;Divinyls Pleasure And Pain - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgMjyc )
1125035;1431079843;chetty;hey cazalla I think you and me only ones awake :P
1125036;1431079853;cazalla;prolly
1125037;1431079858;cazalla;soon only you
1125038;1431079859;cazalla;im tanked
1125039;1431079924;chetty;suns not even up here, much less over the yardarm
1125040;1431079952;cazalla;8:15pm here
1125041;1431080102;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZp9JEH6XZE
1125042;1431080103;assbot;Devendra Banhart 'Little Yellow Spider' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgN8qQ )
1125043;1431080174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160100 @ 0.0002448 = 39.1925 BTC [-] {4} 
1125044;1431080286;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQgIk3fV8zI best abo song outta australia
1125045;1431080287;assbot;Beatboxing Didgeridoo - "Wilcannia Mob - Down River" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTmdrU )
1125046;1431080475;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UCks8O0FA
1125047;1431080477;assbot;Hoodoo Gurus - Miss Freelove 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgO9iA )
1125048;1431080534;cazalla;miusssss free love of 69
1125049;1431080589;cazalla;fuck that song is liek 25 years old now
1125050;1431080716;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_py6WbMV1k
1125051;1431080717;assbot;The Angels - Am I Ever Gonna See Your Face Again - Live 1988 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgOKRn )
1125052;1431080733;cazalla;not a single indian or asian cunt in the crowd
1125053;1431080758;cazalla;no way get fucked fuck off
1125054;1431081148;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7cbkxn4G8U
1125055;1431081149;assbot;Yothu Yindi - Treaty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgPKVK )
1125056;1431081364;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gujdbZ1csng zzzz for me
1125057;1431081365;assbot;Come Said The Boy - Mondo Rock - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTmZFv )
1125058;1431081523;cazalla;http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32633719 can't barrage the farage.. guess you can
1125059;1431081524;assbot;Nigel Farage resigns as UKIP leader as the party vote rises - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgQCtn )
1125060;1431082065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56262 @ 0.00024936 = 14.0295 BTC [+]
1125061;1431083102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124407 @ 0.00025764 = 32.0522 BTC [+] {2} 
1125062;1431084834;gabriel_laddel;;; seen artifexd
1125063;1431084835;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
1125064;1431085176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00024936 = 24.936 BTC [-]
1125065;1431085631;cazalla;miss a day of #b-a? need a note from your dr
1125066;1431085686;gabriel_laddel;lol
1125067;1431085797;cazalla;nothing worse than drinking enough to get tired and going to bed but not enought to knock you out cold so you get back up for a bit more youtubing and maybe a little mfc
1125068;1431085812;gabriel_laddel;;;ud mfc
1125069;1431085814;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MFC | MFC is an acronym standing for Mildly Fat Chick. These are the semi-nasty girls you'll see at parties dancing sluttily to 'My Humps', going crazy when Party for ...
1125070;1431085829;cazalla;fuck off
1125071;1431085835;cazalla;it's my free cams
1125072;1431085850;gabriel_laddel;how is your kid doing?
1125073;1431085876;cazalla;he face planted into the floor boards and tried to eat the play-doh i bought him today
1125074;1431085887;gabriel_laddel;awwww
1125075;1431085912;cazalla;i'm like.. don't run.. so he runs and goes head over heals and whack.. what can ya do? they don't fucking listen
1125076;1431085937;cazalla;missus had a cry too because he hits her
1125077;1431085955;gabriel_laddel;oh so he takes after you then?
1125078;1431085978;cazalla;never laid a hand on her
1125079;1431085981;gabriel_laddel;(I kid)
1125080;1431086004;cazalla;not that i have not wanted to but the law says no, violence against women, australia says no! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCCt-Bo07oc
1125081;1431086005;assbot;Violence Against Women - Australia Says No - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJiWrP )
1125082;1431086057;gabriel_laddel;bahahaha
1125083;1431086067;gabriel_laddel;what a bunch of wankers
1125084;1431086093;cazalla;toddlers are sorta like jews, call out and cry as they strike you
1125085;1431086164;gabriel_laddel;I'll have to take your word for it.
1125086;1431086178;gabriel_laddel;Jews and children generally don't hit me :/
1125087;1431086206;cazalla;ah it's a /pol/ joke
1125088;1431086245;gabriel_laddel;oic
1125089;1431086254;gabriel_laddel;I should note that I'm aware of /pol/
1125090;1431086262;gabriel_laddel;I'm not much into it
1125091;1431086265;gabriel_laddel;generally because they're idiots
1125092;1431086278;cazalla;i spent much more time there before i found #b-a
1125093;1431086338;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-05-2015#1122255 << This is my problem with /pol/
1125094;1431086338;assbot;Logged on 06-05-2015 04:04:38; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you feel if you had to live in a place where nobody used words longer than 4 letters ?
1125095;1431086338;cazalla;sorta disintegrated since 4chan became cuckchan and 8chan can't pay the bills
1125096;1431086358;gabriel_laddel;oh, and america. And the UK. And Australia.
1125097;1431086393;cazalla;i guess the difference is that /pol/ assigns the problems cause by an individual to the group whereas #b-a does not
1125098;1431086424;cazalla;and when i tried to discuss Bitcoin with them i was accused of being a JIDF shill
1125099;1431086458;cazalla;at which point.. http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Seinfeld-Leaving.gif
1125100;1431086461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJkFNI )
1125101;1431086539;gabriel_laddel;IMHO, the differences between #b-a and /pol/ are many. /pol/ doesn't like it when they're censored and complains about how unfair things are. MP, and ascii both look ahead and see the need for WoTnet. MP commissions it out of pocket.
1125102;1431086561;cazalla;well, my example is not the only one, just something i've observed myself
1125103;1431086581;cazalla;i'm on the lower end of the totem pole here, not so bad to realise such a thing though
1125104;1431086641;cazalla;that's not some liberal leftist self flagellation either
1125105;1431086696;cazalla;if and when it comes time to cut throats, well i suspect i'll ace that compared to some others
1125106;1431086711;cazalla;know your role and do it well eh
1125107;1431086760;*;cazalla casts bloodlust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqIVxEpQEms
1125108;1431086761;assbot;Warcraft II Sound Effects - Orc Spells: Bloodlust - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GThFf8 )
1125109;1431086946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89849 @ 0.000248 = 22.2826 BTC [-] {3} 
1125110;1431094488;danielpbarron;!up btcdrak
1125111;1431094554;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEfPF4GUgAARIn5.jpg
1125112;1431094555;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvU4nq )
1125113;1431094727;davout;!rate btcdrak 1 guy makes sense -> http://bitcoin-development.narkive.com/3MPEfZHu/block-size-increase
1125114;1431094727;assbot;btcdrak is not registered in WoT.
1125115;1431094728;assbot;Block Size Increase ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvUytW )
1125116;1431094735;davout;btcdrak: well, key up
1125117;1431094748;btcdrak;:)
1125118;1431094875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85350 @ 0.00024683 = 21.0669 BTC [-]
1125119;1431095221;fluffypony;btcdrak: good posts on the mailing list btw
1125120;1431095851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45055 @ 0.00024457 = 11.0191 BTC [-]
1125121;1431095857;mod6;danielpbarron: hahah
1125122;1431096066;danielpbarron;"I don?t really have a strong opinion on block size either?but if we?re going to do a hard fork, let?s use this as an opportunity to create a good process for hard forks (which we?ll inevitably need to do again in the future)." << leave it up to these guys and the 21 million cap will be lifted in a matter of years
1125123;1431096230;danielpbarron;!up Guest13073
1125124;1431096581;chetty;Whatever the technical issues on block size, the danger of letting pretty much one person drive a change should be obvious
1125125;1431097240;thestringpuller;I'm starting to think everytime you kill a Gavin-esque zombie, it's already infected 10 innocents which then become zombies.
1125126;1431097329;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: the 2nd order ones are only 1/1000th as powerful though. still +ev.
1125127;1431097681;pete_dushenski;https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish
1125128;1431097682;assbot;David Simon on Baltimore’s Anguish | The Marshall Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVFXKe )
1125129;1431097731;decimation;asciilifeform: note that there is going to be a very large flight of WWII aircraft over the national mall today
1125130;1431097776;asciilifeform;decimation: neato
1125131;1431097828;pete_dushenski;"Wait, you're doing a warrant check on me before I can report a robbery? Oh yeah, we gotta know who you are before we take a complaint. You and everyone you’re living with? What’s your address again? You still want to report that robbery?"
1125132;1431097847;decimation;it should start around 12:10pm local http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/rss/342-arsenal-of-democracy-flyover-to-conduct-rescheduled-single-aircraft-practice-flight
1125133;1431097849;assbot;Arsenal of Democracy Flyover to Conduct Rescheduled Single-Aircraft Practice Flight ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVGyeJ )
1125134;1431097910;decimation;including the only working B-29 apparently
1125135;1431098001;pete_dushenski;;;later tell williamdunne http://frass.woodcoin.org/ << still not showing up on scoopy ?
1125136;1431098002;assbot;Free your Frass | Blogulations on Coinologies by Funkenstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVH5xj )
1125137;1431098002;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1125138;1431098007;pete_dushenski;clearly this isn't stopping the surprisingly prolific funkenstein_ but still.
1125139;1431098055;asciilifeform;'arsenal of democracy' l0l
1125140;1431098103;decimation;asciilifeform: of course - noticably missing su aircraft
1125141;1431098131;decimation;but has japanese zero!
1125142;1431098163;decimation;actually it does look like they have some su aircraft, not sure if they will be there otday
1125143;1431099023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.0002424 = 18.6648 BTC [-]
1125144;1431099023;decimation;for those not in wash dc and care - can watch live here http://events.dacast.com/?webcast_id=9
1125145;1431099024;assbot;Arsenal of Democracy: World War II Victory Capitol Flyover - DaCast ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVK4WF )
1125146;1431099194;gabriel_laddel;funkenstein_: "You may have some idea in your mind that things like cancer, intelligence, and obesity are in some way caused by genetics.  By the time you are done reading this post, I hope you will no longer labour under this gross misconception." << wait, so intelligence is in no way caused by genetics?
1125147;1431099205;gabriel_laddel;Lemme know when you teach a dog calculus.
1125148;1431099377;gabriel_laddel;Apparently chimpanzees share ~99% of our DNA and dogs ~84%
1125149;1431099455;gabriel_laddel;http://education.seattlepi.com/animals-share-human-dna-sequences-6693.html << info is from this, I don't have time to do actual research atm
1125150;1431099456;assbot;Animals That Share Human DNA Sequences | Education - Seattle PI ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVLlwO )
1125151;1431099493;funkenstein_;pete_dushenski, thnks :D
1125152;1431099511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78450 @ 0.00024647 = 19.3356 BTC [+] {3} 
1125153;1431099533;funkenstein_;gabriel_laddel, no i can't get a dog to pass the BC calc test but that is hardly a proof of causation
1125154;1431099619;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: dun mention it.
1125155;1431099650;pete_dushenski;1enjoying your posts, especially the remarkable 'march 18' lot !
1125156;1431099664;pete_dushenski;how long was that day ?!
1125157;1431099694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.0002424 = 1.3332 BTC [-]
1125158;1431099727;gabriel_laddel;funkenstein_: do you agree that memory is a component of intelligence?
1125159;1431099764;funkenstein_;lol, yeah most of that stuff was started like 8 months ago.
1125160;1431099843;pete_dushenski;that is a long day.
1125161;1431099890;funkenstein_;gabriel_laddel, I do concede that without things like genetics, air to breathe, gravity and such, we wouldn't have intelligence as we know it
1125162;1431099954;funkenstein_;and of course, if you are missing a few chromosomes its unlikely you will be the next satoshi
1125163;1431099962;gabriel_laddel;funkenstein_: aw come on, walk all the way to the obvious conclusion.
1125164;1431099982;gabriel_laddel;oh nvm
1125165;1431099989;gabriel_laddel;"and of course, if you are missing a few chromosomes its unlikely you will be the next satoshi"
1125166;1431099992;gabriel_laddel;^ there it is
1125167;1431100012;funkenstein_;if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi
1125168;1431100077;funkenstein_;there's a difference between an environmental and a causal agent.
1125169;1431100096;Adlai;what is intelligence, though? maybe "likeliness of being the next satoshi" is a good starting point for a better definition
1125170;1431100117;Adlai;previous attempts to define intelligence seem focused on measuring performance in various capacities
1125171;1431100124;funkenstein_;schiesse, now i've gone and stepped in a can of worms haven't i
1125172;1431100182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239000 @ 0.00023871 = 57.0517 BTC [-] {3} 
1125173;1431100270;funkenstein_;Adlai, some of these terms are kind of like "heap", they seem to want to avoid precise definition
1125174;1431100347;Adlai;rather than answer my own question, I'll pose another... many moons ago, while applying for an exclusive elitist summer course for kids in philosophy or paradoxes or somesuch, the instructor interviewed each kid individually
1125175;1431100356;Adlai;the interview consisted of a single question: "what is humor?"
1125176;1431100396;mircea_popescu;so what did you say ?
1125177;1431100431;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema lectia de humor
1125178;1431100431;ben_vulpes;http://makezine.com/2015/05/07/next-thing-co-releases-worlds-first-9-computer/
1125179;1431100432;assbot;The World's First $9 Computer Coming to Kickstarter | Make: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVNN6u )
1125180;1431100433;gribble;September 2009 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2009/09>; Trilenciclopedia on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilenciclopedia/>; July 2010 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/07>
1125181;1431100479;*;ben_vulpes eagerly anticipates learning from asciilifeform what novel idiocy the "$9 compudder" ships with
1125182;1431100586;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 1) it doesn't ship, it's a 'kickstarter' l0l
1125183;1431100628;asciilifeform;2) 'arm a9' as in the various popular boards like 'banana'
1125184;1431100654;Adlai;mircea_popescu: the exact words have long since succumed to neoconservative GC, but something to the tune of "something is funny when it surprises the listener in a manner which makes sense in retrospect, but the speaker knew in advance was unexpected"
1125185;1431100680;mircea_popescu;pretty much exact, yes.
1125186;1431100734;Adlai;!s jokester
1125187;1431100735;assbot;0 results for 'jokester' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jokester
1125188;1431100750;Adlai;this is an omission. http://bluebox.ippt.pan.pl/~vkoval/fantasy.html << jokester
1125189;1431100750;assbot;Science fiction ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVOwod )
1125190;1431100765;gabriel_laddel;<funkenstein_> if you are missing a good water supply you are also not going to be the next satoshi << ;; google east asian malnutrition IQ
1125191;1431100798;Adlai;inline comments double semicolon plz
1125192;1431100850;mircea_popescu;i do not see that if then thing follows.
1125193;1431100874;asciilifeform;it's the liberast 'mandatory explanation' for africa.
1125194;1431100875;mircea_popescu;i'm not going to call it a syllogism. what if you don't know you're missing x ? what thrones of china you're missing that you never had ?
1125195;1431100881;mircea_popescu;it's idiotic.
1125196;1431100890;mircea_popescu;for one thing, newton did not have a clean water supply.
1125197;1431100962;funkenstein_;gabriel_laddel, thnks interesting.. but my point was more along the lines of you have to at least have what it takes to stay alive
1125198;1431100996;gabriel_laddel;funkenstein_: my point is more along the lines of even with "enough to stay alive" negros produce nothing of interest.
1125199;1431101004;mircea_popescu;it does not take "clean water" to stay alive.
1125200;1431101016;funkenstein_;gabriel_laddel, then you aren't working with any
1125201;1431101020;mircea_popescu;all it takes is a will to stay alive, which pointedly includes the will to drink your blood if ity comes to it.
1125202;1431101048;Adlai;gabriel_laddel: you must have terrible taste in music
1125203;1431101056;mircea_popescu;which explains exactly why plenty of people who manage to stay alive don't manage anything else.
1125204;1431101097;decimation;I've been told by chinese engineer students that many in rural china survive on alcohol
1125205;1431101122;chetty;egyptians mostly lived on beer
1125206;1431101125;funkenstein_;72 hrs is the commonly stated lifetime of a person without water
1125207;1431101143;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ it vastly depends on many circumstances.
1125208;1431101149;funkenstein_;true indeed
1125209;1431101152;funkenstein_;beer is mostly water btw
1125210;1431101159;asciilifeform;chetty: very different beer from the watery crud of today
1125211;1431101172;mircea_popescu;anyway, egypt still has an ancient network of clean water canisters, as a public service, a day's walk away from the others
1125212;1431101172;asciilifeform;it was rather like a liquid bread.
1125213;1431101172;chetty;indeed
1125214;1431101177;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_AIh9MSxpY
1125215;1431101178;assbot;Crazy Astronaut - No Face Just Energy (feat. J. Fontinha) ᴴᴰ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVPFfz )
1125216;1431101180;mircea_popescu;much like the churches in early north america
1125217;1431101220;mircea_popescu;yo danielpbarron dun worry about it, "defo" means definitely.
1125218;1431101254;danielpbarron;oh, re: eulora ? I wasn't worried :p
1125219;1431101307;Adlai;gabriel_laddel: the presence of "feat" in the video title makes me highly suspicious and unwanting to click
1125220;1431101331;thestringpuller;funkenstein_: beer is mostly sugar lol. trying to hydrate on beer isn't the best idea...
1125221;1431101351;gabriel_laddel;Adlai: ok. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f6IxP-8Jiw
1125222;1431101352;assbot;Ken Ashcorp - Dunkmaster Yi (League of Legends Champion Rocks) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVQ7uq )
1125223;1431101352;Adlai;some monks live off beer during lent
1125224;1431101402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0002406 = 2.0692 BTC [+]
1125225;1431101550;mircea_popescu;kinda how/why beer was invented
1125226;1431101560;mircea_popescu;for the needs of the roman military and then church.
1125227;1431101625;pete_dushenski;ha! so that latins *can* invent things. (unless this too was stolen from china ?)
1125228;1431101637;mircea_popescu;egypt.
1125229;1431101685;*;pete_dushenski gives up.
1125230;1431101696;mircea_popescu;love ya :)
1125231;1431101733;mircea_popescu;anyway, the great love of beer in europe almost exactly maps to the late imperial recruiting grounds in europe.
1125232;1431101740;mircea_popescu;mostly, germania.
1125233;1431102151;diametric;mircea_popescu: got the mail, thanks.
1125234;1431102158;mircea_popescu;yw.
1125235;1431102285;mats;;;ticker
1125236;1431102286;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.65, Best ask: 246.66, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.66, 24 hour volume: 35052.50252707, 24 hour low: 231.41, 24 hour high: 249.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1125237;1431102294;mats;it moves
1125238;1431102302;mircea_popescu;hehe
1125239;1431102339;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1125240;1431102350;mats;so, i got two weeks notice today
1125241;1431102370;gribble;Current Blocks: 355539 | Current Difficulty: 47643398017.803 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 1292 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48750393774.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.3235
1125242;1431102391;pete_dushenski;mats: brutalzore
1125243;1431102401;pete_dushenski;you have something else lined up ?
1125244;1431102412;mats;delivery on key server project may take an additional month or two
1125245;1431102412;mircea_popescu;mats what did you use to do, i forget ?
1125246;1431102585;mats;i did a mix of front and back office IT support
1125247;1431102600;mircea_popescu;aha
1125248;1431102603;asciilifeform;mats: waitasec i thought you were a reverser
1125249;1431102611;mats;nope... that's a hobby
1125250;1431102611;asciilifeform;or was that just a side thing
1125251;1431102612;asciilifeform;aha
1125252;1431102614;mircea_popescu;i guess he was underemployed
1125253;1431102906;mats;pete_dushenski: notrly. i'm actually thinking about taking six months to a year off, my carpal tunnel has been getting worse recently so the timing may be fortuitous after all
1125254;1431102938;mircea_popescu;going traveling etc ?
1125255;1431102986;mats;ha. i'll probably move to a shithole like Lowell (for the low rent), and read a mountain of books
1125256;1431103018;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1125257;1431103023;mircea_popescu;i lived there, had nfi it's a shithole!
1125258;1431103033;pete_dushenski;mats: a sabbatical, nice ! and from personal experience, carpal tunnel is definitely a hindrance.
1125259;1431103060;pete_dushenski;i have nfi how mine eventually went away. physio is the most likely explanation.
1125260;1431103068;mats;its not terrible, mostly a hispanic and south-east asian almost-ghetto nao
1125261;1431103081;pete_dushenski;mats mebbe try out ims ?
1125262;1431103089;mats;wassat
1125263;1431103093;pete_dushenski;(intramuscular stimulation)
1125264;1431103104;mircea_popescu;heh. a decade or so ago it was undergoing "revival", they had all these plans to attract "artists" and gentrify the area.
1125265;1431103105;pete_dushenski;more aggressive accupunture
1125266;1431103108;mircea_popescu;i guess it didn't catch.
1125267;1431103126;pete_dushenski;*acupuncture
1125268;1431103138;mats;lotta cambodians in lowell
1125269;1431103153;mats;which is appropriate, i'd say, because cambodians are like the black people of asia
1125270;1431103164;mircea_popescu;used to be a few spanish a few azn some people from africa (as opposed to us blacks)
1125271;1431103174;mircea_popescu;just enough to have decent bread and whatnot. but mostly white
1125272;1431103187;mats;pete_dushenski: i'll talk to a physician about it.
1125273;1431103224;pete_dushenski;i'd recommend it.
1125274;1431103260;pete_dushenski;i still go for treatment once a month for maintenance, was once a week at first
1125275;1431103267;mats;the frustrating thing is that i've had carpal tunnel since 18, and it actually went away after four months in basic training/AIT
1125276;1431103282;gabriel_laddel;mats: http://aaroniba.net/articles/tmp/how-i-cured-my-rsi-pain.html
1125277;1431103283;assbot;How I Cured my RSI Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTUDss )
1125278;1431103295;gabriel_laddel;I can vouch for Aaron not being a shmuck.
1125279;1431103296;mats;but it came back in half a year after i kept working on a shite toshiba ultrabook
1125280;1431103362;mircea_popescu;never EVER work on a laptop.
1125281;1431103378;chetty;wear a wrist brace while you are using a computer
1125282;1431103903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85250 @ 0.00024185 = 20.6177 BTC [+]
1125283;1431104048;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel: interesting stuff.
1125284;1431104103;pete_dushenski;i'm currently giving 'foundation training' a go. basically simplified yoga to specifically counter the effects of sitting at a computer all day (and all night).
1125285;1431104105;pete_dushenski;eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOgxWp0WyiI
1125286;1431104107;assbot;Better Posture in 4 minutes:  Dr. Eric Goodman shares 3 simple Foundation Training exercises. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTVOYH )
1125287;1431104140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform upon further meditation : the sum total of neededchanges to phuctor is, make keys introduced via web go to top of pile, while keys introduced by cutter of db go to bottom of pile. this is all, really.
1125288;1431104167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was my thought as well
1125289;1431104183;mircea_popescu;yeah. and that's it, can be set in stone afterwards.
1125290;1431104186;asciilifeform;i'll adjust it as soon as i also figure out the db locking thing
1125291;1431104190;mircea_popescu;works.
1125292;1431104195;asciilifeform;(responsible for a good chunk of the current delay)
1125293;1431104216;trinque;mircea_popescu: Nice work on the deedbot << thanks, fun project.
1125294;1431104237;mircea_popescu;the day debian lost its future.
1125295;1431104246;mircea_popescu;nobody knew, but what a sad day indeed it was!
1125296;1431104271;asciilifeform;when was this day
1125297;1431104282;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: why are you sitting?!
1125298;1431104286;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what day was this?
1125299;1431104296;mircea_popescu;today. when it was decided that "well, we don't really give a shit about the debian-dominated gpg strong set"
1125300;1431104308;mircea_popescu;lowered into pederasty if there ever was such a thing
1125301;1431104323;mircea_popescu;(maybe i'm just sentimental, i used to actually like them)
1125302;1431104347;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i stand a bit, mebbe 10% of the time.
1125303;1431104484;asciilifeform;one of the few remaining quasi-civilized linuxen
1125304;1431104486;asciilifeform;(for the time being)
1125305;1431104528;mircea_popescu;yes, but the difference between "my wife/slavegirl/twu wuv/we you call it" and "this cunt i'm fucking for the time being" is the only real difference in the world.
1125306;1431104531;mircea_popescu;everything else is built of this
1125307;1431104561;mircea_popescu;having failed to make the cut...
1125308;1431104833;asciilifeform;i learned this as 'no one dies to defend his hotel'
1125309;1431104833;scoopbot_revived;Introducing the Bitcoin ISP http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/
1125310;1431104858;mircea_popescu;diametric ^ look what you started!
1125311;1431104872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty good, whence from ?
1125312;1431104879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150800 @ 0.00024 = 36.192 BTC [-] {2} 
1125313;1431104952;asciilifeform;damned if i remember. possibly mr mold
1125314;1431104981;mircea_popescu;ancient trilema article, same idea "your country as a hotel ; or a change of perspective".
1125315;1431104986;mircea_popescu;was kinda curious who else had it
1125316;1431105109;mircea_popescu;http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-concerned-mans-safety-broke-hotel-room-shot-death/ << all that google dregs up worth the mention
1125317;1431105110;assbot;Police were Concerned for Man’s Safety, So they Broke into His Hotel Room and Shot Him to Death | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTXh1e )
1125318;1431105301;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125030 << dude, he just fills the chan with random stuff nobody understands!
1125319;1431105301;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 10:03:53; cazalla: unban vexual da fuck is this racism against true blue australians :\
1125320;1431105522;mircea_popescu;a) that tony robinson dude is pretty disorganised in speech ; b) http://saltydroid.info/krispen-culbertson-william-may-lawyer-seo-associates/ lol!
1125321;1431105963;mircea_popescu;neway, i invited that droid dude over, voice him if he shows up
1125322;1431105981;asciilifeform;http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/07/technology/tiversa-labmd-ftc/index.html << l0ltr0nic
1125323;1431105982;assbot;Whistleblower accuses cybersecurity company of extorting clients - May. 7, 2015  ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTYtln )
1125324;1431105990;davout;gavinandresen: "wumpus: yes.  An increase to the max block size must be preceded or accompanied by a limit on the UTXO set size, I think." <<< top kek
1125325;1431106021;mircea_popescu;lol they seriously still going with that stupid shit ?
1125326;1431106037;mircea_popescu;what is this, "fell in the latrine, can't help but flail arms now"
1125327;1431106060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is this a "grassroots" "whistleblower" ? :D
1125328;1431106064;davout;"we heard you didn't like limits, so we put a limit in your removal of limits so you can limit while not being limited"
1125329;1431106076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: damned if i know. but it's hilarious.
1125330;1431106082;asciilifeform;and i bet - largely factual
1125331;1431106144;mircea_popescu;"In 2010, Tiversa scammed LabMD, a cancer testing center in Atlanta, Wallace testified. Wallace said he tapped into LabMD's computers and pulled the medical records."
1125332;1431106149;mircea_popescu;so how exactly was this NOT a hack
1125333;1431106199;mircea_popescu;"We were a small company," he said. "It's not like we had millions of dollars to fight this and tons of employees." << yeah, the fetlife style. "we suck, but that's ok because we are small". herpy-derp, stick to twitter.
1125334;1431106218;mircea_popescu;"LabMD wasn't the first time Tiversa's false hacks made national news," so how is it false ?
1125335;1431106232;asciilifeform;ianal - but what, i wonder, is the american law re: extortion using regulatory officials? i.e. can you demand $x to stay silent about rats in a restaurant ?
1125336;1431106248;mircea_popescu;obviously ?
1125337;1431106256;mircea_popescu;that's the entire fucking insistution of the settlement.
1125338;1431106262;mircea_popescu;"you fucked up, eiother you pay me or i sue"
1125339;1431106290;asciilifeform;settlement, irrc, is a tort law concept and doesn't work in criminal law (outside of medieval 'bote', 'weregeld', etc)
1125340;1431106323;asciilifeform;the impression i got from the linked piece is that the hackability of derpco. or whatnot was a crown criminal matter
1125341;1431106327;mircea_popescu;so how did brock pierce avoid 20 to life then ?
1125342;1431106333;asciilifeform;asset.
1125343;1431106340;mircea_popescu;yes, but formally.
1125344;1431106342;mircea_popescu;he... settled.
1125345;1431106343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00024616 = 26.1176 BTC [+]
1125346;1431106358;mircea_popescu;with the victims, or as michael jackson's hologram would say, "ALLEGED!!1"
1125347;1431106382;asciilifeform;one can bribe a victim to avoid the latter filing charges. but crown has the option to prosecute if it wants
1125348;1431106387;mircea_popescu;!up SamouraiWallet
1125349;1431106396;SamouraiWallet;Hello, thank you mircea_popescu
1125350;1431106401;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no standing without witness.
1125351;1431106413;SamouraiWallet;getting setup on wot right now
1125352;1431106414;mircea_popescu;sure SamouraiWallet . who're you ?
1125353;1431106434;davout;http://gavinandresen.ninja/utxo-uhoh <<< apparently gavinandresen is looking at backpedaling without losing face
1125354;1431106435;assbot;UTXO uh-oh… ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTZ9XP )
1125355;1431106435;SamouraiWallet;Just a fan of this irc channel and some of the people here
1125356;1431106442;mircea_popescu;cool.
1125357;1431106457;asciilifeform;wtf is with the 'ninja' preoccupation of usg muppets
1125358;1431106468;asciilifeform;is there a hidden meaning i'm not aware of ?
1125359;1431106474;mircea_popescu;davout would not work, if he still had any face to lose. but as it is, will necessarily work : has nothing left, therefore nothing to be lost.
1125360;1431106500;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform plenty. the ninja is the warrior closestly approximable by sitting on ass at computer.
1125361;1431106503;davout;yea sure
1125362;1431106520;asciilifeform;iirc actual ninjas - moved.
1125363;1431106527;mircea_popescu;invisibly.
1125364;1431106540;asciilifeform;what'd they do - recon ? iirc.
1125365;1431106541;mircea_popescu;you can't prove he's not a ninja, goes the broken mental process, because maybe you just didn't see iot.
1125366;1431106545;asciilifeform;something entirely reasonable
1125367;1431106549;mircea_popescu;this is LITERALLY how it goes, tho they're broadly unaware of it.
1125368;1431106607;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125084 << roflmao
1125369;1431106607;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 11:54:53; cazalla: toddlers are sorta like jews, call out and cry as they strike you
1125370;1431106640;chetty;<< seriously wonders how mp does so well getting in the head (if they have them) of various libtards
1125371;1431106712;SamouraiWallet;Should be registered now :)
1125372;1431106715;mircea_popescu;bdsm.
1125373;1431106724;mircea_popescu;!gettrust SamouraiWallet
1125374;1431106724;assbot;SamouraiWallet is not registered in WoT.
1125375;1431106728;mircea_popescu;mebbe not.
1125376;1431106731;SamouraiWallet;hm
1125377;1431106734;mircea_popescu;!h
1125378;1431106734;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1125379;1431106735;mircea_popescu;^
1125380;1431106737;SamouraiWallet;back to drawing board
1125381;1431106750;asciilifeform;'Allowing more transactions with no other changes would very likely accelerate the UTXO set growth, making it more expensive, more quickly, to run a fully validating node. And worst case would be twenty times as expensive; $10,000 per year. Affordable for a business, not for an individual.' << but now that he said this, next tack will be 'individuals have no business running nodes, only Responsible Licensed Businesses ought ..
1125382;1431106750;asciilifeform;. ' etc
1125383;1431106769;mircea_popescu;heh
1125384;1431106791;mircea_popescu;when we were discussiong this in january, he had talked to economists that said it's not true...
1125385;1431106794;mircea_popescu;now it's true ?
1125386;1431106795;asciilifeform;either this, or the old favourite 'this did not happen, i did not say this'
1125387;1431106807;mircea_popescu;wtf happened to those economists, have they lost their echonomy jobs because of it ?
1125388;1431106833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha right along with orwell's 'the jingo with a bullet hole in him'
1125389;1431106850;mircea_popescu;(to the more broad general point : an authority, perceived or actual, that faces absolutely no danger in case his pronouncements turn out to be wrong, CAN NOT BE USED AS AN AUTHORITY)
1125390;1431106852;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-04-2015#1087741
1125391;1431106852;assbot;Logged on 04-04-2015 02:27:30; asciilifeform: 'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death'
1125392;1431106907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the record, osama bin laden took it upon himself to deliver a dozen jingos with shards in them right @ 1, Police Plaza
1125393;1431106910;mircea_popescu;or w/e it's called.
1125394;1431106915;mircea_popescu;the thing does exist.
1125395;1431106917;chetty;mircea_popescu: That statement pretty much sinks every professor and what not in the entire us
1125396;1431106921;asciilifeform;exists, yes
1125397;1431106926;asciilifeform;but rare.
1125398;1431106934;mircea_popescu;chetty sucks to be them, then.
1125399;1431106961;mircea_popescu;but the idea that scientists are not authorities doesn't really need much explanation, to anyone outside of the libertard coolaid club.
1125400;1431107014;mircea_popescu;all fucking science exists as maybes, that's what it is. piles of hypotheses. just like no one can ever turn an ethic should into an engineering is, just so no one can turn a scientific maybe into an auctorial do it.
1125401;1431107038;chetty;more to the point, science is not authoritative. (at least most of it is only theory)
1125402;1431107079;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1125403;1431107116;mircea_popescu;(and by no one can, i mean systematically. obviously one can, but only as an individual act. only ever  as an individual act)
1125404;1431107282;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125101 << i would like to clarify this point at this time, by underscoring that while i do undertake some expense out of pocket, and that may well appear as an untrivial ammount, especially in terms of one's own household, nevertheless : 1) it is trivial compared to the tasks at hand, indiscutably and 2) B,TMSR~ runs immense deficits, as discussed in http://trilema.com/20
1125405;1431107282;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 12:02:19; gabriel_laddel: IMHO, the differences between #b-a and /pol/ are many. /pol/ doesn't like it when they're censored and complains about how unfair things are. MP, and ascii both look ahead and see the need for WoTnet. MP commissions it out of pocket.
1125406;1431107283;assbot;2001: A Space Odyssey on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FU0C08 )
1125407;1431107283;mircea_popescu;15/the-definitive-sovereign/ which are currently financed principally through voluntary donations of the citizenry, in the shape of time, know-how, expertise etc.
1125408;1431107287;mircea_popescu;an exact tally is not even avaoilable.
1125409;1431107466;asciilifeform;how would you even begin a tally, l0l
1125410;1431107470;mircea_popescu;irk?
1125411;1431107498;mircea_popescu;but the superiority of la serenissima over the fiat pretend-sovereigns is resplendent in all parts and throughout. here for instance : at least we don't even attempt the impossible,
1125412;1431107511;mircea_popescu;instead of going crazy in a labirinth of pretense.
1125413;1431107549;mircea_popescu;there's prolly going to be decades ellapsed before the immensity of just this one shift is even noticed, let alone fully discussed.
1125414;1431107659;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the golden age of fedualism worked EXACTLY the same : while a king indisputably expended out of his purse, and amounts that were not trivial in terms of individual households, nevertheless the entire machine worked on the wilful donations of ten thousand knights, that actually lived their life in accordance with this particular model deliberately.
1125415;1431107687;mircea_popescu;otherwise, how much do you pay a man to go die in palestina or w/e.
1125416;1431107733;mats;https://github.com/x0r1/jellyfish via /.
1125417;1431107734;assbot;x0r1/jellyfish · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FU29DG )
1125418;1431107739;asciilifeform;without this clear thread, one is reduced to 'dulce et decorum est' and other mind games
1125419;1431107745;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1125420;1431107758;mircea_popescu;well.. it is, in this context it actually is.
1125421;1431107764;mats;> Jellyfish is a Linux based userland gpu rootkit proof of concept project utilizing the LD_PRELOAD technique from Jynx (CPU), as well as the OpenCL API developed by Khronos group (GPU).
1125422;1431107786;mircea_popescu;pretty impressive mats
1125423;1431107790;mircea_popescu;"Gpu can be used for fast/swift mathematical calculations like xor'ing or parsing"
1125424;1431107801;mats;http://www.itworld.com/article/2920615/new-linux-rootkit-leverages-gpus-for-stealth.html linked article
1125425;1431107806;mircea_popescu;what this is saying is, "Scarf up cpu data, crack it on video card, good to go"
1125426;1431107873;mats;yay DMA
1125427;1431107895;mircea_popescu;dma is actually one of the principal reasons i agree with alf's "current computing stack must die"
1125428;1431107906;mircea_popescu;because really, trying to rewrite it without dma ... might as well start over.
1125429;1431107907;asciilifeform;think of gpu as simply a very poorly documented coprocessor
1125430;1431107927;asciilifeform;that, for some inexplicable reason, most folks have in their box.
1125431;1431107930;mats;and utterly unsecured.
1125432;1431107939;asciilifeform;'secured' is a meaningless word
1125433;1431108098;mats;afaik only high-end cards have firmware signatures
1125434;1431108117;asciilifeform;as if you necessarily need to reflash the card here
1125435;1431108136;mircea_popescu;mats who is going to check that signature ?
1125436;1431108153;mircea_popescu;if the byzantine problem had a systematic solution, we wouldn't be here.
1125437;1431108169;asciilifeform;mats: the signature thing, when the chipset actually checks on coldboot, is to keep folks from overclocking their cheapo cards
1125438;1431108179;asciilifeform;has nothing to do with 'secure' in the human sense of the word.
1125439;1431108514;mats;http://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/a-trip-through-the-graphics-pipeline-2011-index/ series about how GPUs are implemented
1125440;1431108515;assbot;A trip through the Graphics Pipeline 2011: Index | The ryg blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTQwZs )
1125441;1431108619;mike_c;how is the being passed over without comment?  Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool.
1125442;1431108621;mats;asciilifeform: yes, i know. just wanted to share... in terms of security features GPUs will just blindly run whatever binary you feed it, without any kind of validation.
1125443;1431108642;asciilifeform;just like cpu l0l
1125444;1431108661;asciilifeform;what, you'd rather have nintendo-style jail ?
1125445;1431108690;mike_c;I guess because everyone except me is already on the damn thing.
1125446;1431108722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175550 @ 0.00024846 = 43.6172 BTC [+] {3} 
1125447;1431108722;mats;i dunno enough about silicon to say what i'd rather have
1125448;1431108781;mike_c;anyway, kudos mircea_popescu.  are you going to publish a price sheet or is it case-by-case?
1125449;1431108801;mircea_popescu;gotta ask for what you want, get a quote.
1125450;1431108807;mike_c;k
1125451;1431108831;diametric;mircea_popescu: haha, awesome. congrats on your new business =)
1125452;1431108961;asciilifeform;mats:  i dunno enough about silicon to say what i'd rather have << but it is not difficult to arrive at what one would rather -not- have. as (i think it was) mircea_popescu wrote, 'i don't lay eggs, but...'
1125453;1431109210;BingoBoingo;http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/police-chief-north-las-vegas-mayor-got-special-treatment-child-porn-investigation
1125454;1431109211;assbot;Police Chief: North Las Vegas mayor got special treatment in child porn investigation | Las Vegas Review-Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTREfC )
1125455;1431109235;mats;that series i linked is one of the best i've read about how modern GPUs work
1125456;1431109288;mats;cutting edge for the time, not anymore; for example GPUs nao have onboard MMUs to support virtual addressing ('Virtual Texturing', specifically)
1125457;1431109363;mats;this kinda shit is my #1 time-waster. i find something neat and go down the rabbit hole for a week.
1125458;1431109411;asciilifeform;mats: the rootkit thing is interesting for another reason. remember the era of gpu mining? there were thousands of idiots distributing 'bfgminer' etc. as crapware payload.
1125459;1431109419;mircea_popescu;gotta learn to focus mats
1125460;1431109423;asciilifeform;the gotchas is that -not a single one of these payloads- worked
1125461;1431109429;asciilifeform;unless chump had opencl drivers installed
1125462;1431109434;mats;asciilifeform: lol
1125463;1431109436;asciilifeform;(scarcely anyone on the planet does)
1125464;1431109442;asciilifeform;utter, complete cargo cult.
1125465;1431109445;asciilifeform;from day 1.
1125466;1431109455;mats;incompetent crapware artists?
1125467;1431109461;asciilifeform;there was no possible answer
1125468;1431109461;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a) you can install it. b) it might become common in futuree.
1125469;1431109468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is unique per card
1125470;1431109473;asciilifeform;per submodel, in fact
1125471;1431109479;mircea_popescu;enen so
1125472;1431109489;mircea_popescu;even*
1125473;1431109490;asciilifeform;i personally collected hundreds of examples of such crud, not a single one made any attempt to install opencl
1125474;1431109498;mircea_popescu;ya well
1125475;1431109522;asciilifeform;to do it, one would need to reverse thousands of individual vendor driver packages
1125476;1431109525;mircea_popescu;the sucvess of the past is no guarantee fore the failure of the future or how did that sec-mandated thing go
1125477;1431109528;asciilifeform;and extract all possible variants
1125478;1431109532;mircea_popescu;even.so.
1125479;1431109561;asciilifeform;not impossible, but uneconomical given the (even in that era's mining difficulty) reward
1125480;1431109573;mircea_popescu;think about it this way : if you reverse 5, out of thousands, but not randomly picked, you can now install on what, 1% of the base ? 10% ?
1125481;1431109591;asciilifeform;0.1
1125482;1431109601;mircea_popescu;0.1% out of an internet of things = a decent living.
1125483;1431109606;asciilifeform;(most chumpnet idiots have ruinously obsolete hardware)
1125484;1431109617;mircea_popescu;for how long ?
1125485;1431109666;asciilifeform;for ever ?
1125486;1431109672;asciilifeform;obsolete is a time delay thing
1125487;1431109680;mircea_popescu;but the train stopped.
1125488;1431109703;asciilifeform;the gpu train. the asic train is barely steaming yet.
1125489;1431109713;mircea_popescu;this is a gpu thing.
1125490;1431109720;asciilifeform;(afaik no one has even produced a true (non-metalloidfpga) asic yet)
1125491;1431109732;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is the true risk of stopping trains : all this long tail of shit that was supposed to be "never" catches up with you
1125492;1431109747;asciilifeform;yes, but if gpu stopped (as perhaps it has) then it is quite useless to hijack them for this purpose given that asic remains in motion
1125493;1431109765;mircea_popescu;why ? you want to steal people's bank credentials and nude pics,
1125494;1431109767;mircea_popescu;not mine bitcoin
1125495;1431109775;asciilifeform;then - sure
1125496;1431109781;mats;fun fact: there is a PostScript ASIC.
1125497;1431109788;asciilifeform;mats: was, even, in '80s iirc
1125498;1431109942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.00025032 = 22.0532 BTC [+] {2} 
1125499;1431109944;BingoBoingo;The fish, it is very hard to kill. I keep holding it under the water, but it will not drown!
1125500;1431109973;mircea_popescu;trinque can you put a redirect on deed site so that http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj resolves ?
1125501;1431109975;assbot;Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTSSYi )
1125502;1431110047;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125105 << ideally the lamb learns its place by merely being shown the knife.
1125503;1431110047;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 12:04:56; cazalla: if and when it comes time to cut throats, well i suspect i'll ace that compared to some others
1125504;1431110064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80734 @ 0.00025106 = 20.2691 BTC [+]
1125505;1431110080;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l, but where is the pig that turns into sausage merely by being shown the knife.
1125506;1431110100;mircea_popescu;from what i hear, in lisp.
1125507;1431110112;asciilifeform;nah, there he is born pre-digested.
1125508;1431110120;mircea_popescu;lol
1125509;1431110178;trinque;mircea_popescu trinque can you put a redirect on deed site so that http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << that site currenty redirects to the uniregistry thing, should instead redirect to deedbot.org/{txn_id}.txt
1125510;1431110179;assbot;Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWdunt )
1125511;1431110189;mircea_popescu;hm.
1125512;1431110201;trinque;and I need to rename my deed files so they're named like that
1125513;1431110209;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj redirect to deedbot.org/{txn_id}.txt ?
1125514;1431110210;assbot;Domain Names - New gTLDs | Uniregistry ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWdCU5 )
1125515;1431110228;trinque;which I'll do when next I'm hacking on it
1125516;1431110288;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125148 << it's valid, but misleading. most of dna is "junk", or otherwise put "not directly obvious it actually does anything"
1125517;1431110288;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 15:36:17; gabriel_laddel: Apparently chimpanzees share ~99% of our DNA and dogs ~84%
1125518;1431110299;mats;fun fact: Android ASLR is shit because it has a 'zygote' model for processes, which forks but does not execve
1125519;1431110350;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1125520;1431110375;mircea_popescu;Recently there has been a flurry of posts by Gavin at http://gavinandresen.svbtle.com/ which advocate  << lol just how many blogs is this guy keeping
1125521;1431110376;assbot;Gavin Andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTTBc1 )
1125522;1431110427;asciilifeform;mats: i very much see aslr as the proverbial 'teacher's condom', as per https://xkcd.com/463
1125523;1431110427;assbot;xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTTDR2 )
1125524;1431110435;mats;i believe its an optimization
1125525;1431110439;asciilifeform;wat?!!
1125526;1431110440;asciilifeform;fuck no.
1125527;1431110451;mats;addressing mircea_popescu
1125528;1431110476;mats;it saves android from spinning up a dalvik VM from scratch afaik
1125529;1431110480;mircea_popescu;mats admittedly i'm clueless, but how does this optimize anything
1125530;1431110484;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1125531;1431110589;Adlai;"not directly obvious it actually does anything" << same way it's not directly obvious that the ceramic casing around your CPU does anything
1125532;1431110604;mats;asciilifeform: monkey patch for sure, but it does have its place... with a dozen other mitigations.
1125533;1431110613;asciilifeform;mats: fuck mitigation.
1125534;1431110618;asciilifeform;how about - incineration.
1125535;1431110631;Adlai;mats: thoughts on ART?
1125536;1431110639;Adlai;not the dead kind, the android kind
1125537;1431110666;mircea_popescu;Adlai not a good example, it's directly obviouswhat that does.
1125538;1431110686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly the fpga/dragonfly thread relates.
1125539;1431110688;mircea_popescu;in any case, claiming a z80 and a pentium 6 are "99.84% identical" on the grounds of mass spectrometry is about as apt.
1125540;1431110696;asciilifeform;(re: 'junk')
1125541;1431110712;Adlai;not when you set out to discover which changes it effects in the ALU, and then say, "oh, eip never points at the ceramics, thus they're useless"
1125542;1431110743;mircea_popescu;still not very valid a comparison, because no thiamine ever links to.. acell wall.
1125543;1431110808;asciilifeform;you won't find it linking to 'oxygen must have 16 protons' either
1125544;1431110827;Adlai;a better way of saying this is that: while dna is a great example of "code is data"; most of the data not being code for gene transcription does not directly imply that it has no other use
1125545;1431110838;asciilifeform;and yes, one of my ancient beefs with biological 'state of the art' is that folks deliberately ignore non-genetic mechanisms of inheritance
1125546;1431110844;asciilifeform;because there be dragons or somesuch.
1125547;1431110856;mircea_popescu;yeah, but now you're arguing with a straw man. i never said it doesn't, i just said as far as we know, it might as well not.
1125548;1431110905;mircea_popescu;and if as far as we know it might as well not, that makes 84% or w/e comparisons untenable. irrespective of what may or may not be the case.
1125549;1431110917;Adlai;for example, some dna plays the role of attracting (or repelling) the transcription machinery, to influence which other dna gets transcribed
1125550;1431110925;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1125551;1431110950;Adlai;the XX% figure just goes to show that personhood is a little beyond biology
1125552;1431110960;asciilifeform;lolwut
1125553;1431110979;mircea_popescu;housing roofs also play the role of attracting (or repelling) hot sexy soaking wet babes to your perch for the purpose of you getting a blowjob.
1125554;1431111005;mircea_popescu;but that's because you happened to take refuge from the rain there, has little to do with the roof.
1125555;1431111058;Adlai;you'll still need the roof to do its job right. can't have sudden cold trickles at inopportune moments
1125556;1431111080;mircea_popescu;or maybe you can, at some moments. or who knows.
1125557;1431111096;mircea_popescu;which shows us the problem in all its nude glory : ad hoc systems are unrepresentable.
1125558;1431111121;Adlai;wasn't it richard gabriel who summarized darwin as "worse is better"?
1125559;1431111133;mircea_popescu;mmmm
1125560;1431111134;mircea_popescu;maybe
1125561;1431111152;asciilifeform;'greedy algorithm' is best analogy here.
1125562;1431111163;asciilifeform;(it has a usable mathematical definition, for instance)
1125563;1431111168;asciilifeform;!s greedy algorithm
1125564;1431111169;assbot;0 results for 'greedy algorithm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=greedy+algorithm
1125565;1431111186;asciilifeform;http://www.personal.kent.edu/~rmuhamma/Algorithms/MyAlgorithms/Greedy/greedyIntro.htm << intro
1125566;1431111203;mircea_popescu;no i know what it is.
1125567;1431111211;mircea_popescu;"at every node, visit the unvisited house closest"
1125568;1431111234;mircea_popescu;very succint, always quick, rarely find the global solution.
1125569;1431111293;mats;Adlai: as far as i can tell, its unequivocally better than dalvik
1125570;1431111504;mircea_popescu;!up SamouraiWallet
1125571;1431111553;*;asciilifeform l0lz at no one noticing his mistake with oxygen
1125572;1431111554;Adlai;any venture into the "mobile" world causes me to run screaming back to real computers
1125573;1431111574;mircea_popescu;in rabbit news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/ce8c0c9bdba698910062b271e3345bc3/tumblr_n0n6taF2rS1sk3xdpo1_1280.jpg
1125574;1431111576;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTVmpJ )
1125575;1431111584;SamouraiWallet;Thank you
1125576;1431111589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93111 @ 0.00025123 = 23.3923 BTC [+] {2} 
1125577;1431111596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought it was deliberate ?
1125578;1431111603;asciilifeform;aha sure.
1125579;1431111603;Adlai;asciilifeform: well the number is written right above it
1125580;1431111604;mircea_popescu;SamouraiWallet didja manage ?
1125581;1431111609;SamouraiWallet;yes
1125582;1431111619;mircea_popescu;!gettrust SamouraiWallet
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1125584;1431111629;mircea_popescu;o look at that.
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1125589;1431111693;mircea_popescu;mike_c one idea i had while falling asleep : would it be feasible to save a snapshot of wot.svg each night before update ?
1125590;1431111699;mircea_popescu;could make a timelapse in a year or ten.
1125591;1431111720;mike_c;that is a cool idea. yes.
1125592;1431112196;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> how is the being passed over without comment?  Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool. << i shudder at the thought of what'll happen once reddit & all gets wind of it.
1125593;1431112256;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doubt they'd notice
1125594;1431112269;asciilifeform;it's not exactly a public derpual, this isp.
1125595;1431112280;mike_c;qntra's slipping today.  Gavin beats a hasty retreat and new Bitcoin ISP.
1125596;1431112382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64099 @ 0.00025403 = 16.2831 BTC [+] {2} 
1125597;1431112413;mircea_popescu;!up tttesstt
1125598;1431112443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda my plan : apply lessons learned in crowd repelling from mpex, mpoe-pr, bitbet practice.
1125599;1431112465;mircea_popescu;yet there's bout to be some "what do you mean my 10 dollah gift certificate/reddit gold/whatever doesn't buy me anything!111"
1125600;1431112488;mircea_popescu;mike_c now that's a point. yo cazalla ! BingoBoingo ! THE NEWS IS CHASING YOU!
1125601;1431112513;BingoBoingo;Writing up the ISP atm
1125602;1431112529;mircea_popescu;a cool
1125603;1431112531;asciilifeform;not as if there aren't a couplea dozen vps crud isps who will take the 10 dollah
1125604;1431112550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol you sound very happy with your box
1125605;1431112555;asciilifeform;aha
1125606;1431112560;mircea_popescu;anywya, ima go practice the roof theory.
1125607;1431112626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65434 @ 0.00025525 = 16.702 BTC [+]
1125608;1431112698;mike_c;That gavin thing has to be written up.  I mean.. this is what he chooses to backpedal on?
1125609;1431112711;asciilifeform;mike_c: strategic retreat
1125610;1431112712;mike_c;but whatever.  as long as it dies.
1125611;1431112714;asciilifeform;he hasn't surrendered
1125612;1431112722;mod6;mircea_popescu: congrats on the Bitcoin ISP!
1125613;1431113148;trinque;!up HeySteve
1125614;1431113163;HeySteve;hey
1125615;1431113167;trinque;hello
1125616;1431113194;trinque;what brings you here?
1125617;1431113212;HeySteve;internet tubes I suppose!
1125618;1431113220;trinque;which ones?
1125619;1431113238;HeySteve;the ones leading from South Africa
1125620;1431113260;HeySteve;used to be semi-regular here back in my crypto journo days
1125621;1431113271;trinque;ah, well wb
1125622;1431113301;HeySteve;thanks, taking an irc break while gf naps
1125623;1431113320;HeySteve;assuming things are quiet here atm?
1125624;1431113403;trinque;HeySteve: just depends when you're on
1125625;1431113471;HeySteve;not sure if anyone noticed / cared, but gmaxwell paid a backhanded compliment to the "MPOE crowd" recently
1125626;1431113542;HeySteve;something about not being corruptible by corporate or political influence
1125627;1431113775;mircea_popescu;mike_c  so write it! not like you write badly or anything.
1125628;1431113784;mircea_popescu;danke mod6 :D
1125629;1431113785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1049 @ 0.00101601 = 1.0658 BTC [-] {2} 
1125630;1431113812;mircea_popescu;the mpoe crowd eh ?
1125631;1431113846;mats;mp corrupts
1125632;1431113884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness, this is a trope of contemporaneity. thoroughly broke "feminist" graduate student reduced to waiting tables for rest of life will STILL not "surrender". ie, admit the banruptcy of his own stupidity, to himself.
1125633;1431113888;mike_c;I don't write badly, but I also don't write quickly..  my writing muscles are weak.
1125634;1431113895;mircea_popescu;the only thing that does is, prevent him from healing.
1125635;1431113910;mod6;Here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Nuke: http://dpaste.com/0W4PKEE.txt
1125636;1431113911;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALqhlI )
1125637;1431113940;mike_c;;;later tell pete_dushenski would surely do the gavin retreat justice on qntra.
1125638;1431113941;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1125639;1431113945;mircea_popescu;mod6 this is running on what ? did you ever say ?
1125640;1431113955;davout;HeySteve: yea, told me the reason he didn't came here is that he doesn't get along with mircea_popescu
1125641;1431113969;mircea_popescu;orly o.O
1125642;1431113989;mircea_popescu;dude this shit, where i say something and it gets confirmed two lines down. ima go have a drink.
1125643;1431114045;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, i did put a `uname -a` in this latest dpaste, but its: AWS m3.medium debian6 x86_64 with 3.5Gb RAM
1125644;1431114091;mod6;oh my bad, I thought it said "debian " somewhere in that dpaste. that's weak.
1125645;1431114104;mircea_popescu;just says xen.
1125646;1431114118;mod6;yah :/
1125647;1431114132;mircea_popescu;which incidentally - if anyone wants to sysadmin an aws-style offering on top of bisp metal, please get in touch. i'm open to the idea, we'd have to discuss how it would work.
1125648;1431114272;mod6;root@ip-M-O-D-6:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150504-orphanage-nuke/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# dmesg | head -10 | grep "Debian"
1125649;1431114275;mod6;[    0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-48squeeze10) (holger@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Sun Dec 21 18:33:39 UTC 2014
1125650;1431114331;mod6;this is the actual gcc version on the env:
1125651;1431114332;mod6;# gcc --version
1125652;1431114332;mod6;gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
1125653;1431114334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195922 @ 0.00025441 = 49.8445 BTC [-] {4} 
1125654;1431114371;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/12a868569ab2d31c56508e7f4abd5416/tumblr_n1k8f0mkch1qlnecbo1_1280.jpg << this is the rest of us when specs are being dumped.
1125655;1431114373;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALr46r )
1125656;1431114424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! any idea what the likely scenario behind that photo is ?
1125657;1431114436;mircea_popescu;pov blowjob shot ?
1125658;1431114442;mod6;hahah
1125659;1431114444;mats;^ lol what
1125660;1431114456;mod6;sorry
1125661;1431114463;mats;not you, asciilifeform
1125662;1431114490;mod6;i was apologizing for the spec dump.
1125663;1431114498;mircea_popescu;mats, too frail to be a ranger, to slow to be a troll... is there no place under the sun left for him ?
1125664;1431114515;mircea_popescu;mod6 nono, it's good. creates a record, we have it for 5 years later when we've foprgotten
1125665;1431114517;mats;i can deliver pizzas to chix like the above
1125666;1431114536;mircea_popescu;mats you know there was an entire paysite dedicated to the concept of pizza-surprise.
1125667;1431114547;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, yah. good deal.
1125668;1431114550;asciilifeform;i thought the traditional variant was 'plumber surprise'
1125669;1431114551;mats;mircea_popescu: go on
1125670;1431114663;mircea_popescu;http://pornpaysites.net/review/big-sausage-pizza/
1125671;1431114664;assbot;Big sausage pizza - porn review ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALrAkG )
1125672;1431114886;HeySteve;cock burns via molten mozzarella probably not worth the prank
1125673;1431114960;HeySteve;I recommend the surprise in the popcorn box at the movies option
1125674;1431115072;mats;o hey i recognize the actor.
1125675;1431115078;mats;classic stuff apparently.
1125676;1431115188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134155 @ 0.00024474 = 32.8331 BTC [-] {4} 
1125677;1431115493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108643 @ 0.00024301 = 26.4013 BTC [-] {2} 
1125678;1431115588;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125513 < i think that is outside of my capabilities
1125679;1431115588;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 18:36:49; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj redirect to deedbot.org/{txn_id}.txt ?
1125680;1431115608;kakobrekla;i dont have access to deeds server
1125681;1431116591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.0002481 = 3.6595 BTC [+]
1125682;1431116846;scoopbot_revived;Bitcoin ISP Unveiled http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitcoin-isp-unveiled/
1125683;1431116871;trinque;kakobrekla: it's that deeds.bitcoin-assets.com which needs to 301 over
1125684;1431116882;trinque;currently it goes to that registrar instead
1125685;1431116888;trinque;probably a setting in the registrar's panel
1125686;1431116957;trinque;so one way of handling it would be to have nginx or whatever's hosting bitcoin-assets.com do the redirect
1125687;1431117750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62613 @ 0.00024299 = 15.2143 BTC [-] {2} 
1125688;1431117835;kakobrekla;last time someone asked me to do a perma redirect from deeds. to deedbot.org which I did
1125689;1431117879;kakobrekla;the way to handle it is to have an a record pointing to deeds servers ip
1125690;1431117899;trinque;that's not going to work; deeds are on static hosting on s3
1125691;1431117915;kakobrekla;yes its hard to work with shit.
1125692;1431117951;trinque;s3's doing a fine job for what I'm asking of it
1125693;1431117968;kakobrekla;then case closed.
1125694;1431118009;trinque;why is that URL mircea_popescu wanted going to unregistry.com?
1125695;1431118015;trinque;this is nothing to do with the s3 hosting
1125696;1431118095;kakobrekla;dns cant do url rewrites
1125697;1431118116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31024 @ 0.0002481 = 7.6971 BTC [+]
1125698;1431118171;trinque;kakobrekla: that I'm aware of; but what box is issuing the 301 there
1125699;1431118199;kakobrekla;uniregistry dns
1125700;1431118321;kakobrekla;http://shrani.si/f/2w/4X/1SbUqlhp/dns.png
1125701;1431118322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qu94Xi )
1125702;1431118694;trinque;kakobrekla: ah, ok
1125703;1431118726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108843 @ 0.00024569 = 26.7416 BTC [-] {2} 
1125704;1431118747;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'll move the static deed hosting to a box with IP soon, then ask kakobrekla to cname the domain to its IP
1125705;1431118754;trinque;*with an IP
1125706;1431118803;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/st-louis-fitness-trainer-apologizes-about-fat-shaming-fan-at/article_4c93413a-13af-58bc-bf05-b866b09d2167.html
1125707;1431118804;assbot;St. Louis fitness trainer apologizes about 'fat-shaming' fan at Cards game : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1QuapNE )
1125708;1431120143;diametric;mircea_popescu: so whats the bitcoin isps stance on bittorrent and dmca violations?
1125709;1431120521;mircea_popescu;bittorrent is legitimate. dmca altogether depends. what exactly ?
1125710;1431120593;mircea_popescu;trinque good idea.
1125711;1431120775;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/05/TheAmericanDream.pdf << mega-l0l ( plain text: http://dpaste.com/0V3TXJH.txt )
1125712;1431120776;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4v2f8 )
1125713;1431120777;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4v0E0 )
1125714;1431120958;diametric;mircea_popescu: movies and warez mostly. not sure your opinion on the subject.
1125715;1431121001;mircea_popescu;shit. now i gotta come up with an opinion on this subject
1125716;1431121005;mircea_popescu;fucking spittoon
1125717;1431121007;asciilifeform;l0l
1125718;1431121014;asciilifeform;schloooourpr.
1125719;1431121176;diametric;mircea_popescu, a better question, what will you or your upstream provider do if given a dmca request to remove an ip participating in a bittorrent swarm, or a request for the customer information?
1125720;1431121205;mircea_popescu;if they come here and make a good case, they'd get it. if not... nothing.
1125721;1431121248;diametric;actually physically travel there?
1125722;1431121250;*;asciilifeform tries to picture this scene actually playing out, melts brain
1125723;1431121258;mircea_popescu;i can see the case, i tell you. quentin tarantino makes a new movie, it's on your box before release, he comes here and goes OMFGWTFBBQ what am i supposed to say ? fuck you, give us free shit ?
1125724;1431121270;mircea_popescu;diametric here, as in #b-a.
1125725;1431121335;diametric;gotcha
1125726;1431121372;mircea_popescu;really, it's not intended as a thing to fuck with people from. it's intended as a thing where to be safe from people fucking with you.
1125727;1431121392;asciilifeform;aha but where does 'my fist' end and 'his nose' begin
1125728;1431121428;mircea_popescu;you're really enjoying this, aren't you.
1125729;1431121442;asciilifeform;from mr warez's point of view, he's throwing packets and orcs come to fuck with him
1125730;1431121445;jurov;something something "defense only" something doesn't really exist
1125731;1431121452;asciilifeform;there we go
1125732;1431121464;mircea_popescu;omfg rebellion and insurection!
1125733;1431121517;jurov;but, really, congrats to bisp!
1125734;1431121545;mircea_popescu;for now it'll be "no, really, you can't take wikileaks dump down. even if it does 'endanger the lives of agents'".
1125735;1431121563;mircea_popescu;maybe in the future it'll be "no, really, if you made a movie it's not your movie", but i think that's more than a graph node away.
1125736;1431121573;jurov;(and pls check mpex quue)
1125737;1431121598;asciilifeform;i guess my red-hot doug lenat k001 w4r3z stays on kako's box, l0l
1125738;1431121628;mircea_popescu;lol
1125739;1431121715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176500 @ 0.0002514 = 44.3721 BTC [+] {2} 
1125740;1431121723;diametric;mircea_popescu, makes sense, thanks.
1125741;1431121837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00025699 = 1.4905 BTC [+] {2} 
1125742;1431122020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00024326 = 7.8573 BTC [-]
1125743;1431122033;BingoBoingo;Oh look what qntra story was good enough to get dropped on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35c0wk/bitcoin_isp_unveiled/
1125744;1431122034;assbot;Bitcoin ISP unveiled : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4wlus )
1125745;1431122142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00025721 = 16.4357 BTC [+] {2} 
1125746;1431122314;jurov;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/596620227976134657 i find it too funny and don't know why
1125747;1431122341;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125625 << ya, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120232
1125748;1431122341;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 19:31:11; HeySteve: not sure if anyone noticed / cared, but gmaxwell paid a backhanded compliment to the "MPOE crowd" recently
1125749;1431122341;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 01:19:24; danielpbarron: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34uu02/why_increasing_the_max_block_size_is_urgent_gavin/cqycy4h "Rather, the only push you see against larger blocks come from strong advocates of personal autonomy and decenteralization, like Peter Todd; or the MPOE crowd (regardless of what you might think about them, they wouldn't be any to bend to commercial or government interests)."
1125750;1431122344;mircea_popescu;incidentally, who would win a fight between bitcoin jesus and bitcoin godfather ?
1125751;1431122364;asciilifeform;the elephant.
1125752;1431122412;mircea_popescu;jurov doesn't that guy look exacly like antono derp ?
1125753;1431122416;mircea_popescu;what are they cloning them nao ?
1125754;1431122458;jurov;lol
1125755;1431123035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: considering any plans for non-intel iron for s.bisp ?
1125756;1431123053;mircea_popescu;i was, but there doesn't seem to exist such a thing.
1125757;1431123059;asciilifeform;kako found some iirc
1125758;1431123282;jurov;or arm servers?
1125759;1431123295;asciilifeform;i think that's what he had
1125760;1431123297;asciilifeform;kakobrekla ?
1125761;1431123874;kakobrekla;https://www.scaleway.com
1125762;1431123875;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWWyx9 )
1125763;1431124684;jurov;kakobrekla: but that's their proprietary rack, no?
1125764;1431124703;kakobrekla;i guess so
1125765;1431124824;jurov;http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2122028/hp-launches-arm-blade-servers-linux-support
1125766;1431124827;assbot;                    HP launches ARM-based blade servers with Linux support- The Inquirer         ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJiEK )
1125767;1431124831;jurov;dell has same thing
1125768;1431124856;jurov;http://www.wired.com/2011/11/calxeda/ these apparently went out of bsnss
1125769;1431124856;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJnby )
1125770;1431124935;asciilifeform;http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2406542/twitter-now-lets-you-embed-playable-ms-dos-games-into-tweets?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=Cpc&utm_campaign=Inquirer%252BReferral&WT.mc_is=977=obinsource << mega-l0l
1125771;1431124936;assbot;                    Game over: Twitter disables support for embeddable MS-DOS games- The Inquirer         ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJvaV )
1125772;1431124978;jurov;http://www.pogolinux.com/products/blade-rackmount-servers << opteronz
1125773;1431124979;assbot;Blade Servers, Linux Workstations, 1u Servers, Computer Server, Server Hardware | Pogo Linux, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJwvH )
1125774;1431125135;*;BingoBoingo waits for 1U longsoon machines
1125775;1431125142;jurov;but that's NAS, not servers
1125776;1431125345;jurov;http://www.supermicro.nl/Aplus/system/3U/3012/AS-3012MA-H12TRF.cfm this looks more like it
1125777;1431125346;assbot;Super Micro Computer, Inc. - Products | A+ Servers | 3U | 3012MA-H12TRF                                                                                                                 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALJXpF )
1125778;1431125425;jurov;BISP can buy one or two and resell per node to us paupers
1125779;1431125486;mircea_popescu;i could see that
1125780;1431125520;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125321 <<< i doubt he'll come (he's off chasing herbalife past few years) but it'd be good to see saltydroid turn up here
1125781;1431125520;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 17:26:03; mircea_popescu: neway, i invited that droid dude over, voice him if he shows up
1125782;1431125612;BingoBoingo;jurov: That is a sexy find
1125783;1431125722;mircea_popescu;and speaking of sexy finds, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mde0owFQsO1r8sefzo1_500.gif
1125784;1431125723;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALKvf9 )
1125785;1431125815;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125774 << try and find -any- of their items, for any price
1125786;1431125815;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 22:45:35; *: BingoBoingo waits for 1U longsoon machines
1125787;1431125831;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the last importer appears to have vanished
1125788;1431125894;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I can only hope their AMD investment wasn't entirely about keeping AMD's silicon less backdoored or making it differently backdoored
1125789;1431125909;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: quite possibly just a paper game.
1125790;1431125971;BingoBoingo;Probably, but it may be a small step towards china saying fuck the x86-MS warez game and moving to Ubuntu warez
1125791;1431125989;asciilifeform;why then would they buy an x86 maker ?
1125792;1431126060;asciilifeform;the overall picture is not encouraging. we are -this- close to a total intel monopoly on serious iron
1125793;1431126062;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Access to their logo and markets familiar with their name
1125794;1431126083;cazalla;mike_c, maybe you know or not but timestamp in WoT browser don't appear to update if you previously left that person a rating.. example, a rating i left a month ago is timestamped nov 2014
1125795;1431126083;asciilifeform;(i am deliberately not counting exotica made by other usg muppets, e.g., the (former) ibm's old 'power' chips, etc.)
1125796;1431126117;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that this is tiny.
1125797;1431126129;asciilifeform;aha
1125798;1431126167;asciilifeform;already the choice is between 'intel' and 'bring your own collectible ancestral cpu'
1125799;1431126206;mircea_popescu;pretty much
1125800;1431126212;BingoBoingo;At least enough silicon is servicable that it is not necessary to sign transactions with http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041X6B3M/
1125801;1431126214;assbot;Amazon.com : *Drafting Kits, Study, Tools, Geometry, Items, Mathematical Instruments, 1, Tin Container, Set, Of, Dunbar, Oxford, Items, Complete & Accurate, With, Compass, Divers, 2 Pencils, 1-3.5" 1-6", Ruler 6", 45 & 60 Degree, Set Squares, 180 Degree, Protractor, Eraser, Pencil Sharpener, Etc., U ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALL4pj )
1125802;1431126258;asciilifeform;wai wat
1125803;1431126279;mircea_popescu;anyway, this isn't a problem to charge at.
1125804;1431126302;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Analogue mathematical instruments
1125805;1431126321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: charge at ?
1125806;1431126404;mircea_popescu;yeah, charge, frontal assault
1125807;1431126416;asciilifeform;for argument's sake, what would this consist of ?
1125808;1431126469;mircea_popescu;"fuck intel, we will subsidize X, because we are so big and powerful we can just crush it outright"
1125809;1431126483;asciilifeform;l0l
1125810;1431126484;asciilifeform;who we
1125811;1431126504;mircea_popescu;same we that crushed cisco, for argument's sake.
1125812;1431126515;asciilifeform;cisco was already tied to the firing post
1125813;1431126544;asciilifeform;(and, one could note, was shot with a very small pistol and will be thrashing around for quite some time to come)
1125814;1431126571;mircea_popescu;hey, you asked.
1125815;1431126577;asciilifeform;intel has nothing remotely resembling a serious enemy
1125816;1431126771;asciilifeform;the secret to killing intel (in the sense of crafting a replacement which pushes the bits -that actually need pushing- at competitive speed at competitive cost) is to ditch x86 and even unix, all the way to von neumann; then can use si fab processes circa 1994 or so
1125817;1431126780;asciilifeform;(i sorta have an entire www about this)
1125818;1431126783;asciilifeform;but this is not news.
1125819;1431126810;asciilifeform;nor, afaik, are the resources available for this.
1125820;1431126840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71068 @ 0.00024859 = 17.6668 BTC [-] {2} 
1125821;1431126905;asciilifeform;this is, to put it as briefly as possible, is because 'greedy algorithm'.
1125822;1431126948;Adlai;gotta put hashes on the blockchain and hellfires in windows
1125823;1431126949;*;asciilifeform realizes he ought to have kept track of previous threads concerning this boojum. there are at least 7
1125824;1431126954;mircea_popescu;same reason intel's fundamentally unconcerning : all greedy algorithms are vulnerable to other greedy algorithms. that's what it means.
1125825;1431126961;mircea_popescu;the only way to gain immunity to them is to not be one.
1125826;1431126974;asciilifeform;meanwhile all of our infrastructure runs on intel boxen.
1125827;1431126982;mircea_popescu;and all we eat are cows.
1125828;1431127007;asciilifeform;which, from '08 or so, are boobytrapped in several interesting documented (and undocumented) ways.
1125829;1431127023;mircea_popescu;which is not, in and of itself, useful.
1125830;1431127040;asciilifeform;aha
1125831;1431127048;asciilifeform;'glass cannon', at the least.
1125832;1431127052;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1125833;1431127080;mircea_popescu;so yeah, we don't have, nor can we get just yet, the hard guarantees we'd like, and it'd altogether seem we're entitled to, by the shape of the space of logical possibility.
1125834;1431127099;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, soft guarantees can be extractred from the unloving tits of mother nature, and so they will be.
1125835;1431127122;williamdunne;20:09:56 - mircea_popescu: <mike_c> how is the being passed over without comment?  Real actual bitcoin hosting! very cool. << i shudder at the thought of what'll happen once reddit & all gets wind of it. <<< what is this?!
1125836;1431127150;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/
1125837;1431127151;assbot;Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUzVsq )
1125838;1431127253;asciilifeform;i'd note that the most pestilential thing about intel is the fact of it keeping x86 alive, rather than boobytraps
1125839;1431127262;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, is my discussion of water captive in a glass part of the 7 ?
1125840;1431127269;asciilifeform;aha
1125841;1431127276;asciilifeform;that came up at least 2ce
1125842;1431127284;mircea_popescu;aha yeah irc
1125843;1431127313;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i'd note that the most pestilential thing about intel is the fact of it keeping x86 alive, rather than boobytraps << To be fair they gave Itanic the old college try
1125844;1431127318;asciilifeform;incidentally, situation is more depressing than could be, because the usual principle of 'the thing waiting to catch the falling corpse is us' does not apply here. when intel dies, the corpse will be eaten by arm
1125845;1431127324;asciilifeform;which is likewise turdalicious usg tentacle.
1125846;1431127353;asciilifeform;and the worst architecture i've ever had the misfortune to work with. just about worse than x86 from a fits-in-brain perspective
1125847;1431127367;asciilifeform;plus smarmily pseudo-decentralized
1125848;1431127368;williamdunne;Awesome
1125849;1431127372;asciilifeform;(there are 1,001
1125850;1431127374;asciilifeform;licensees
1125851;1431127384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason for this is because we're not big enough yet lol. "the next builders of roads once the romans croak will still not be the huns". well.... yes.
1125852;1431127387;asciilifeform;but they all make turd built from same circuit)
1125853;1431127389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53682 @ 0.00024882 = 13.3572 BTC [+]
1125854;1431127445;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: microshit was unable to bake a reasonable compiler for itanic. hence it sank.
1125855;1431127455;mircea_popescu;nobody was.
1125856;1431127459;asciilifeform;(vliw is a bitch to compile for)
1125857;1431127478;mircea_popescu;the itanic thing was perhaps the breaking point for FOSS, in retrospect.
1125858;1431127483;mircea_popescu;i've been thinking when it jumped the shark
1125859;1431127549;asciilifeform;wai wat
1125860;1431127559;asciilifeform;iirc gcc was the -only- working compiler for itanic, for ages
1125861;1431127606;mircea_popescu;aaaannnddd ?
1125862;1431127612;mircea_popescu;"we owned windows, now what."
1125863;1431127634;asciilifeform;intel never had any purpose in life other than to operate as microshit's partner in crime
1125864;1431127640;mircea_popescu;(and it didn't really work well enough - which was perhaps correctly blamed on the proc)
1125865;1431127663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody asks intel. the idea was, if FOSS actually can deliver on the promises it makes, then it takes over at that juncture.
1125866;1431127673;asciilifeform;takes over what, the fab ?
1125867;1431127694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00025407 = 11.9413 BTC [+]
1125868;1431127697;mircea_popescu;no, computing. "the only way to run a computer today is with an intel itanium running debian"
1125869;1431127718;asciilifeform;l0l why not dec alpha ?
1125870;1431127733;mircea_popescu;those were expensive.
1125871;1431127735;asciilifeform;one of the cleanest, most well-documented (fit in a thin paperback book - whole fucking machine, not only cpu)
1125872;1431127741;asciilifeform;and -cheaper- today than itanic
1125873;1431127747;mircea_popescu;per flop ?
1125874;1431127749;asciilifeform;(both are 'collectibles' and there were many more alphas)
1125875;1431127752;BingoBoingo;Alpha still kinda expensive
1125876;1431127760;mircea_popescu;heh. collectibles are not this.
1125877;1431127768;asciilifeform;itanic is a collectible
1125878;1431127971;BingoBoingo;6502 finally becoming collectible
1125879;1431128057;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125656 <<< here's the after shot in any case https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-D6KxbCQAEkB4A.jpg:large
1125880;1431128057;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 19:47:04; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! any idea what the likely scenario behind that photo is ?
1125881;1431128058;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUBy9s )
1125882;1431128082;asciilifeform;^ rabies ?
1125883;1431128085;cazalla;reverse image search for that on google throws back "dubai porta potties"
1125884;1431128876;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina
1125885;1431128878;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.820017, Best ask: 243.84096, Bid-ask spread: 0.02094, Last trade: 243.84096, 24 hour volume: 81714.51890000, 24 hour low: 235.368711, 24 hour high: 247.124178, 24 hour vwap: 239.998074291
1125886;1431129111;mircea_popescu;lol
1125887;1431129160;mircea_popescu;cazalla that's photochopped. i can tell by some pixels.
1125888;1431129498;BingoBoingo;!up tteesstt
1125889;1431129503;BingoBoingo;Hello tteesstt
1125890;1431129555;BingoBoingo;In which Hearn gets specially singled out for being a weirdo again http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34090559/
1125891;1431129557;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUDhvi )
1125892;1431129571;BingoBoingo;(at the end)
1125893;1431130204;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1125894;1431130367;mike_c;cazalla: which rating is it?
1125895;1431130415;cazalla;the one i left thestringpuller, it's dated nov 2014 but i believe that was when i first gave him a rating
1125896;1431130423;mike_c;thx
1125897;1431130577;mike_c;that's how it is in the db.
1125898;1431130593;mike_c;kakobrekla: what's the current strategy for rating timestamps?  Just one stamp that is first-rated?
1125899;1431130662;mike_c;cazalla: yeah.. note that it is a 'since' timestamp.  http://w.b-a.link/user/cazalla/
1125900;1431130663;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX430g )
1125901;1431130744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71800 @ 0.0002579 = 18.5172 BTC [+] {3} 
1125902;1431130747;cazalla;seems to have dropped a few ratings i made prior to to april 2014 as well
1125903;1431131050;mike_c;hm, that's not good.  they aren't on the b-a page?
1125904;1431131299;SamouraiWallet;cool system. tying in wot with irc +v
1125905;1431131311;mircea_popescu;it is.
1125906;1431131364;cazalla;mike_c, actually a lot more is missing.. on bitcoin-otc i've received 19 ratings (WoT Browser shows 15) and sent 25 on bitcoin-otc (WoT Browser shows 16), these are old ones which i assume should've been included in the snapshot
1125907;1431131394;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo jesus christ the deluge of verbiage from these people. that two line call-out in #bitcoin-dev has produced almost a million lines of derpage, on irc, on reddit, on personal blogs, everywhere.
1125908;1431131409;mircea_popescu;if this isn't disarray i have nfi what is. these people don't even have a forum, a venue where to discuss their shit.
1125909;1431131447;mircea_popescu;cazalla i missed ratings i made after gribble went down, on gribble's wot. like for instance the phantomcircuit one i discovered missing yest, was made in february.
1125910;1431131452;mircea_popescu;would this explain it ?
1125911;1431131484;cazalla;these are older than that, ratings made in 2014
1125912;1431131488;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv5uspQdbH1r4p8klo1_1280.jpg << girl around the house.
1125913;1431131491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX4CHm )
1125914;1431131509;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously. One little threat they call crazy and all of a sudden it comes out no one but Hearn supports Gavincoin while The core devs seem to reveal in turn the never actually thought much on the future.
1125915;1431131598;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's the case for the -10 to rozal (id 37459 on gribble wot) for instance.
1125916;1431131656;decimation;who is the guy who decided to pay gavin's salary?
1125917;1431131681;mircea_popescu;shit mike_c he has a point. take "36335cazallaOgNasty52014-08-10 10:18:57-1" on http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=cazalla&sign=ANY&type=SENT , not present in http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/cazalla/
1125918;1431131682;assbot;Rating Details for User 'cazalla' ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSdB1Q )
1125919;1431131683;assbot;cazalla WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSdCmk )
1125920;1431131690;cazalla;mircea_popescu, two i sent in july and august of 2014 are missing from new wot though
1125921;1431131720;mircea_popescu;decimation foundation didn't do reporting at the time, remember ? col brian foley, for all you know.
1125922;1431131834;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is it possible ratings got lost over the import ?
1125923;1431131886;decimation;no I thought it was some dutch dude
1125924;1431131903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70610 @ 0.00025835 = 18.2421 BTC [+]
1125925;1431131928;BingoBoingo;decimation: Ah Janssens. MIT ended up beating him for Gavin's affection
1125926;1431131997;decimation;I guess he preferred direct government employment
1125927;1431132105;decimation;re: blazing saddles < I didn't get the german speaking indians until I saw this poem (lifted from google's shitty usenet archive) http://dpaste.com/21FWHSJ
1125928;1431132106;assbot;dpaste: 21FWHSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX58Fc )
1125929;1431132143;mircea_popescu;!s Uncleftish
1125930;1431132144;assbot;2 results for 'Uncleftish' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Uncleftish
1125931;1431132161;decimation;it turns out that english without latin words sounds very 'primative', so I assumed mel brooks was making an inside joke on writing hollywood indian dialogue
1125932;1431132177;danielpbarron;it's because ognasty doesn't have a gpg key http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=OgNasty
1125933;1431132178;assbot;#bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX5aNm )
1125934;1431132222;mircea_popescu;oh!
1125935;1431132238;mircea_popescu;cazalla : it only imported gpg based identities, not bitcoin address based.
1125936;1431132242;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla mike_c nm, false alarm.
1125937;1431132268;mircea_popescu;this was in the fucking spec, but i forgot
1125938;1431132474;cazalla;ah makes sense
1125939;1431132770;asciilifeform;'Today Bitcoin Core is easily >100 times faster to synchronize and relay than when I first got involved on the same hardware, but these improvements have been swallowed by the growth.' << ahahahahaha the headers-first idiocy
1125940;1431132778;asciilifeform;we should kiss the arse, aha
1125941;1431132801;mircea_popescu;"today bitcoin core is so far diverged from bitcoin i have no idea why anyone even mentions it"
1125942;1431132951;BingoBoingo;The (lack of) value of fiat contracts http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/08/news/companies/arod-players-union/index.html
1125943;1431132952;assbot;Union preparing to fight for A-Rod's $6 million home run bonus - May. 8, 2015  ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX5FHi )
1125944;1431132976;mircea_popescu;what';s the story there ?
1125945;1431133091;joecool;typical sort of error when trying to run core client
1125946;1431133092;joecool;bitcoin-qt: symbol lookup error: bitcoin-qt: undefined symbol: _ZN6google8protobuf8internal13empty_string_E
1125947;1431133142;ben_vulpes;fuck dat NOISE
1125948;1431133149;asciilifeform;wat.
1125949;1431133151;ben_vulpes;are you serious.
1125950;1431133156;joecool;i am
1125951;1431133168;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: A-Rod still has that 10 year contract with the Yankees that says he gets bonuses for ever time he progresses along certain career milestones. He spent all last year suspended because "if you can you must" so now this year that he is breaking all of these milestones after spending last year's suspension by chillaxing at the beach the yankees don't want to pay him his contractual bonuses.
1125952;1431133177;ben_vulpes;is that some autonamespacified shitgnomery or something?
1125953;1431133202;mircea_popescu;joecool is this on leveldb ?
1125954;1431133228;*;mircea_popescu doesn't recall ever seeing this one
1125955;1431133232;joecool;mircea_popescu: could be, i have no clue, i haven't really dug into it yet
1125956;1431133247;asciilifeform;on first glance,
1125957;1431133249;asciilifeform;it's a qt-ism
1125958;1431133253;asciilifeform;lose the gui
1125959;1431133287;joecool;could also be that i built it on gcc 5.1 which is proving to be a pile of shit (but this doesn't build in clang either...)
1125960;1431133288;asciilifeform;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/04/25#l1398427185
1125961;1431133288;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX5U5j )
1125962;1431133336;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't protobuf the google something or the other ?
1125963;1431133344;mircea_popescu;serializer, what was it
1125964;1431133354;asciilifeform;it's only in there on account of the qt crud
1125965;1431133366;mircea_popescu;aha
1125966;1431133368;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell
1125967;1431133387;asciilifeform;'WARNING: libprotobuf not found; bitcoin-qt frontend will not be built' etc.
1125968;1431133405;asciilifeform;lose the crapolade, lose this error.
1125969;1431133428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103837 @ 0.00025542 = 26.522 BTC [-]
1125970;1431133489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00025835 = 5.4512 BTC [+]
1125971;1431133541;joecool;will do
1125972;1431133639;decimation;google protocol buffers is a library that allows the construction of arbitrary bit protocols
1125973;1431133643;decimation;kinda like asn.1
1125974;1431133663;decimation;I have no idea why bitcoin would use it
1125975;1431133676;asciilifeform;seems like qt uses
1125976;1431133681;mircea_popescu;entrepreneurs asked for it.
1125977;1431133683;decimation;weird
1125978;1431133897;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1125979;1431133899;felipelalli;I just knew that a Brazilian exchange was hacked last week but this information is not public yet. Anyone knows anything about it? (a friend told me but he has no much information also).
1125980;1431134236;danielpbarron;!up Guest53878 you've got to identify with nickserv within 30 seconds of logging in or he'll change your nick to Guest; you can set your irc client to do this automatically
1125981;1431134892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37271 @ 0.00025835 = 9.629 BTC [+]
1125982;1431135011;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125794 << that was also in the spec
1125983;1431135011;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 23:01:23; cazalla: mike_c, maybe you know or not but timestamp in WoT browser don't appear to update if you previously left that person a rating.. example, a rating i left a month ago is timestamped nov 2014
1125984;1431135051;danielpbarron;might be useful to know "first rated on" in addition to "last updated"
1125985;1431135064;danielpbarron;currently only the former is recorded
1125986;1431135104;mats;seems unnecessary
1125987;1431135330;danielpbarron;the ratings are supposed to be a jumping off point that leads to actually talking to someone, and in that regard too much info might be more of a hiderance than a help
1125988;1431135408;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently MIT put a sussman lisp class from 1986 on their on-line course system http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/1a-overview-and-introduction-to-lisp/
1125989;1431135409;assbot;1A: Overview and Introduction to Lisp | Video Lectures | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs | Electrical Engineering and Computer Science | MIT OpenCourseWare ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW7SH2 )
1125990;1431135744;danielpbarron;"This is frustrating; from a clean slate analysis of network health I think my conclusion would be to _decrease_ the limit below the current 300k/txn/day level." << I concur; 1MB is probably too large a block
1125991;1431136163;danielpbarron;!up sunbeachbabe
1125992;1431136245;sunbeachbabe;Hi
1125993;1431136597;danielpbarron;hi; what brings you here?
1125994;1431137888;mircea_popescu;felipelalli find out the details, write a qntra article.
1125995;1431137985;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron heh, first mentioned... in #bitcoin-assets
1125996;1431138096;asciilifeform;decimation: the videos are ancient. i watched them some time in, iirc, '06
1125997;1431138127;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I'll try, thank you.
1125998;1431138154;*;mircea_popescu bores of trying to find the "maybe blocks end up being too large" reference. was a coupla weeks ago iirc
1125999;1431138179;decimation;asciilifeform: I did not realize that MIT has gone through its old archives for lectures
1126000;1431138186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55922 @ 0.00025673 = 14.3569 BTC [-] {2} 
1126001;1431138186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-04-2015#1108323
1126002;1431138187;assbot;Logged on 23-04-2015 16:16:55; mircea_popescu: we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less.
1126003;1431138194;mircea_popescu;a ty
1126004;1431138231;asciilifeform;decimation: iirc the lectures in the videos were not actually given at mit, but as a guest tour for, i think, hewlett-packard
1126005;1431138240;asciilifeform;hence the 'old' faces
1126006;1431138263;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXNy0JeBchk davout :D
1126007;1431138264;assbot;Francais pour les pauvres (Franceza pentru săraci) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVpfvN )
1126008;1431138383;danielpbarron;bores of trying to find << happens to me on a weekly basis
1126009;1431138408;decimation;;;ticker
1126010;1431138409;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.13, Best ask: 245.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 245.12, 24 hour volume: 32896.12670801, 24 hour low: 236.2, 24 hour high: 249.22, 24 hour vwap: None
1126011;1431138411;mircea_popescu;somehow i couldn't remember correctly any of the words.
1126012;1431138443;danielpbarron;today i gave up trying to find the line in which you said something along the lines of garza's wife not being bad
1126013;1431138491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95000 @ 0.00025881 = 24.587 BTC [+] {2} 
1126014;1431138499;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103345
1126015;1431138499;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 09:16:07; mircea_popescu: notbad.
1126016;1431138521;danielpbarron;lol
1126017;1431138548;danielpbarron;not that meaning of "not bad" .. the other one
1126018;1431138560;asciilifeform;that was it though
1126019;1431138582;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform clearly uses lisp sorting on the logs
1126020;1431138590;*;asciilifeform uses meat
1126021;1431138799;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitcoin-isp-unveiled/#comment-22153 could be anyone though eh
1126022;1431138800;assbot;Bitcoin ISP Unveiled | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVpW8x )
1126023;1431138835;mircea_popescu;isp = internet service provider. so bite me.
1126024;1431138883;asciilifeform;as to dog 'food' means 'dog food', to homo derpicus - 'isp' means his local telecom monopolist
1126025;1431138896;asciilifeform;hence, likely the confusion
1126026;1431138896;scoopbot_revived;UK Man Sentenced To Six Years Prison http://qntra.net/2015/05/uk-man-sentenced-to-six-years-prison/
1126027;1431138947;asciilifeform;l0l cocaine from india ?
1126028;1431138966;cazalla;well, can't find the police report so who really knows
1126029;1431138993;mircea_popescu;on the lam for 3 years ?!
1126030;1431139001;mircea_popescu;apparently bitcoin really works huh.
1126031;1431139055;asciilifeform;the account-freezing thing didn't work on him? why? name too short, triggered sql bug ?
1126032;1431139077;asciilifeform;'Fay was due to answer bail on January 25, 2013, but failed to do so. Just days before he was due to be charged, Fay emptied his bank account...'
1126033;1431139585;mircea_popescu;guy seriously lived three years on the run out of 40k ?
1126034;1431139587;decimation;yeah I want to drop my monopolist isp and use bitcoin for internet access
1126035;1431139588;mircea_popescu;should get a prize.
1126036;1431139722;diametric;mircea_popescu: you should start a registrar next.
1126037;1431139744;mircea_popescu;nah, dns is dumb
1126038;1431139750;decimation;$40k would go a long way in the us as long as you are willing to live like a bum
1126039;1431139772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62250 @ 0.00025408 = 15.8165 BTC [-] {2} 
1126040;1431139872;decimation;but living like a bum is not a good way to avoid the police
1126041;1431139881;cazalla;prob pissed it away on drugs
1126042;1431139933;mircea_popescu;i never had anyone in hiding without at least a few rifles + sidearms, at least a coupla people along for the ride, etc. 40k is good for a quarter, and that if the guy's very sensible all around.
1126043;1431139988;decimation;the uk is even more of a police state
1126044;1431140010;mircea_popescu;moreover, what, every time you need a car you steal a car ?
1126045;1431140010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 40k in modern usd ?
1126046;1431140013;asciilifeform;or of that time
1126047;1431140037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was doing a mental fuzzy conversion to modern.
1126048;1431140513;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/project/second-world-war << unrelated holiday widget
1126049;1431140514;assbot;Tweede Wereldoorlog - Google Cultural Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVseV6 )
1126050;1431140544;williamdunne;Da fuq is this shit
1126051;1431140545;williamdunne;http://elbitcoin.org/no-intentes-aduenarte-de-la-cadena-de-bloques/
1126052;1431140547;assbot;No intentes adueñarte de la cadena de bloques - Bitcoin en Español ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVsgfE )
1126053;1431140547;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I just cried for you man. :'( I'm sorry: http://qntra.net/2015/03/largest-bitcoin-bet-resolved/
1126054;1431140548;assbot;Largest Bitcoin Bet Resolved | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVsgfK )
1126055;1431140594;mircea_popescu;felipelalli lol, shit happens
1126056;1431140623;williamdunne;Someone has translated my blogpost to Spainish and reposted it
1126057;1431140624;mircea_popescu;williamdunne you got translated ?
1126058;1431140628;williamdunne;Yeah
1126059;1431140630;williamdunne;Kinda cool
1126060;1431140710;asciilifeform;gotta love how google breaks www
1126061;1431140720;asciilifeform;i can find no way to link to the individual items in that exhibit
1126062;1431140758;mircea_popescu;somebody's doing spanish qntra then ?
1126063;1431140808;mircea_popescu;somebody ~from argentina~
1126064;1431140920;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/romanian-nazis-pursuing-their-own-%E2%80%9Cromanization-of-the-population-and-territory%E2%80%9D-in-bessarabia-bukovina-and-so-called-transnistria-1941/FwHYcY7AUgoRdg?projectId=second-world-war << this one's new to me
1126065;1431140922;assbot;Romanian Nazis pursuing their own “Romanization of the population and territory” in Bessarabia, Bukovina, and so-called Transnistria, 1941 - Google Cultural Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVsLX1 )
1126066;1431140946;asciilifeform;hedzoff.com
1126067;1431141073;mircea_popescu;what part is new ? they were very active
1126068;1431141079;asciilifeform;the photo
1126069;1431141084;asciilifeform;it is a very good one
1126070;1431141101;asciilifeform;from artistic standpoint - of composition.
1126071;1431141115;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: incredible! I guess it could enter to Guiness Book! :D
1126072;1431141141;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/n-e-muratov-sketch-of-the-poster-%E2%80%9Cremember-leningrad-scumbag-%E2%80%9D/JQHoySKCXwQxlQ?projectId=second-world-war << soviet death ray in use
1126073;1431141143;assbot;N. E. Muratov. Sketch of the poster “Remember Leningrad, Scumbag.” - N. Muratov - Google Cultural Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVt0S5 )
1126074;1431141158;mircea_popescu;nothing loads.
1126075;1431141165;asciilifeform;retardation.
1126076;1431141166;mircea_popescu;can not has a jpg like normal people ?
1126077;1431141296;asciilifeform;rather than deobfuscate the half meg of js idiocy,
1126078;1431141302;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/F0oa97M.png
1126079;1431141302;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVtebH )
1126080;1431141302;asciilifeform;and
1126081;1431141328;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/2O8EMA6.jpg
1126082;1431141329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVtgjO )
1126083;1431141336;asciilifeform;analog hole, motherfuckerz
1126084;1431141407;mircea_popescu;win
1126085;1431141457;mircea_popescu;dude that 1st pic.
1126086;1431141461;mircea_popescu;incredible.
1126087;1431141467;asciilifeform;toldya
1126088;1431141501;asciilifeform;though i think it's a test-place before the swing proper
1126089;1431141510;asciilifeform;rather than the hedzoff moneyshot
1126090;1431141551;mircea_popescu;yes
1126091;1431141564;asciilifeform;even so, 'notbad.jpg'
1126092;1431141602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88359 @ 0.00025884 = 22.8708 BTC [+]
1126093;1431141750;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/ceEAW6y.png
1126094;1431141751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVtM1m )
1126095;1431141754;asciilifeform;^ colourhitler
1126096;1431141772;asciilifeform;and very excited gurl
1126097;1431141797;decimation;asciilifeform: have you watched the movie 'downfall'?
1126098;1431141800;asciilifeform;aha
1126099;1431141802;asciilifeform;who hasn't
1126100;1431141832;decimation;heh, most folks only know it from the 'hitler finds out the truth about the defense of Berlin' scene
1126101;1431141861;asciilifeform;das war ein Befehl!
1126102;1431141865;asciilifeform;111!!!11
1126103;1431142042;decimation;heh exactly
1126104;1431142142;decimation;my favorite quote "Ich sollte alle hochrangigen Offiziere liquidieren, genauso wie Stalin es getan hat! "
1126105;1431142147;asciilifeform;aha.
1126106;1431142169;*;asciilifeform knows of no reason to suppose that he actually said this, but it goes well with the rest of the scene
1126107;1431142203;decimation;it seems likely the thought would have occured to him anyway
1126108;1431142244;decimation;too bad tom cruise didn't successfully kill hitler on the 20 juli plot
1126109;1431142251;asciilifeform;l0l
1126110;1431142284;asciilifeform;and apparently he wasn't killed dead enough in 'inglorious bastards'
1126111;1431142302;asciilifeform;weak voodoo, these.
1126112;1431142311;decimation;my understanding is that most of the german units late in the war were actively trying to surrender to the us, so that they could fight russia together
1126113;1431142318;asciilifeform;approximately.
1126114;1431142343;asciilifeform;though the 'fight russia' part was more churchill's concept
1126115;1431142370;mircea_popescu;or patton's.
1126116;1431142377;asciilifeform;aha
1126117;1431142398;decimation;certainly stalin and stierlitz managed convince fdr that he had 'won'
1126118;1431142412;asciilifeform;popular enough concept that it formed the entire backplot of '17 moments of spring' (su mega-cult-classic film)
1126119;1431142440;asciilifeform;the hero's entire intelligence mission was to determine which german is leading the 'separate peace talks'
1126120;1431142449;asciilifeform;(and how far along)
1126121;1431142527;asciilifeform;my favourite apocryphal scene is where a german general, seeing french flags, asked 'did we lose to -them- as well' ?
1126122;1431142540;asciilifeform;(not from film, must point out, but from legend)
1126123;1431142546;decimation;it seems the more likely explanation is yarvin's supposition - russia was playing 'hard to get' and fdr and his staff wanted russia 'even more'
1126124;1431142585;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> or patton's. << I'm a Patton truther. He was assasinated to keep the war from running another decade,
1126125;1431142599;asciilifeform;i find mr mold to be astonishingly clueless on this subject, and can't even recall off hand what his position was -
1126126;1431142606;asciilifeform;i garbage-collected it from brain.
1126127;1431142633;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as per https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ConspirThx.htm ?
1126128;1431142635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVuSdD )
1126129;1431142640;decimation;I recall a post about the us ambassador trying to become stalin's boyfriend
1126130;1431142644;asciilifeform;(2nd half)
1126131;1431142682;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo iirc his proposition to just bomb the suckers and ride tanks to china is well documented.
1126132;1431142734;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not the part where he planned to resign. More in line with MP, if he lived he would have started the next war by July.
1126133;1431142745;asciilifeform;why the pause ?
1126134;1431142760;asciilifeform;at least churchill's thing made elementary sense
1126135;1431142769;asciilifeform;(use the germans while there's still something to use)
1126136;1431142800;decimation;yarvin was also pushing the 'stalin was gonna attack' theory
1126137;1431142814;mircea_popescu;eh stalin wasn't going to attack.
1126138;1431142822;mircea_popescu;the one point of danger was once stalin died.
1126139;1431142830;asciilifeform;cribbed from rezun (pen name 'suvorov', in imitation of the general)
1126140;1431142862;asciilifeform;(mega-revisionary history fella, craps out tome after tome re: 'stalin was planning to attack')
1126141;1431142880;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Because he was already paused. re-arming the Germans would have probably taken some time
1126142;1431142885;asciilifeform;i tried to track down which of these mr mold may have read,
1126143;1431142894;asciilifeform;and did not turn up any which had been translated (at the time) to engl.
1126144;1431142899;mircea_popescu;had beria not been pro-us, but symetrically anti, the fulda gap'd have been taken in a week and well... russia from sea to sea.
1126145;1431142913;asciilifeform;other than his - unrelated - works on su military intelligence (from which he was an escapee)
1126146;1431142913;mircea_popescu;possibly the most impressive success of us diplomacy to date - the recruitment of beria.
1126147;1431142944;BingoBoingo;In his life Patton hated 3 things most: Nazis, Commies, and Louisiana
1126148;1431142948;asciilifeform;the public data suggests 'useful idiot' rather than asset
1126149;1431142955;*;asciilifeform did not recruit him, cannot say
1126150;1431142986;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe Montgomery is #2
1126151;1431143437;asciilifeform;http://attachments-blog.tut.by/634/files/2011/02/x_9ea27e39.jpg
1126152;1431143438;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx8VOw )
1126153;1431143438;scoopbot_revived;Corina Chiriac - Recital Mamaia'86 http://trilema.com/2015/corina-chiriac-recital-mamaia86/
1126154;1431143466;asciilifeform;'in my time, there wasn't this poppycock'
1126155;1431143744;asciilifeform;http://echo.msk.ru/att/element-736852-misc-001.jpg << mega-d3m0t1v4tor. 'stability! it's what we've striven for all of our life, right?'
1126156;1431143744;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVwTGu )
1126157;1431144184;mircea_popescu;course not.
1126158;1431144382;asciilifeform;'This is actually true, I passed by some twerp here trying to give out flyers of some local thing identifying as a communist party and my principal impulse was to ask him how is he not ashamed of himself.' << i lost count of how many 'radical left party hq' doors i walked past in b-a
1126159;1431144401;asciilifeform;and how many drummers, plaquard-wavers, etc
1126160;1431144413;asciilifeform;what do they eat?
1126161;1431144437;asciilifeform;(i could almost bet they eat better than i!)
1126162;1431144465;mircea_popescu;they probably do.
1126163;1431144469;mircea_popescu;argentina issues bonds.
1126164;1431144478;mircea_popescu;takes the proceeds and pays "salaries" for "public servants"
1126165;1431144482;mircea_popescu;they go out and buy empanadas.
1126166;1431144495;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: '...these people are already living a degree of magnitude above their means, hallucinating 100's of k's real estate values...' << why such certainty that it is hallucinated? is it possible that american escapees genuinely bid up the cost ?
1126167;1431144511;mircea_popescu;nope.
1126168;1431144542;mircea_popescu;for one, the gringo club is about 50 people.
1126169;1431144553;asciilifeform;waiwut
1126170;1431144562;asciilifeform;i thought there were 5mil of'em or the like
1126171;1431144563;asciilifeform;in there
1126172;1431145739;mircea_popescu;heh.
1126173;1431145767;mircea_popescu;there's 40mn total. half of them are italians, the other half are lawyers.
1126174;1431145790;mircea_popescu;they can't take money ouyt of the country, so they've decided, in their typical stupidity, that they will "invest" it in local real estate
1126175;1431145812;mircea_popescu;because this is how fucktarded they are : they actually believe that you can conventionally enact investments. "everyone does it"
1126176;1431145853;mircea_popescu;so they pay 2mn pesos for an apartment worth maybe 18k dollars, and they imagine that there's a difference between this and just gifting it to the government.
1126177;1431146182;asciilifeform;they are merely imitating usa
1126178;1431146187;asciilifeform;(why - i do not know)
1126179;1431148850;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/bitcoinmom/status/595809810286780416
1126180;1431148890;danielpbarron;"@BryceWeiner Thank you so much for helping Nick invent a digital currency for our local high school. Hope they can make it work"
1126181;1431149026;cazalla;cringe
1126182;1431149246;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126095 <<< alf that is a photoshop, here is the original http://i.imgur.com/kXjdfYa.png
1126183;1431149246;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 03:22:34; asciilifeform: ^ colourhitler
1126184;1431149247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsZShQ )
1126185;1431149715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26828 @ 0.00025884 = 6.9442 BTC [+]
1126186;1431150146;cazalla;http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/how-someone-spent-pennies-to-troll-women-people-of-color-via-promoted-tweets/ lulzy shit
1126187;1431150147;assbot;How someone spent “pennies” to troll women, people of color via promoted tweets | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1InlbUC )
1126188;1431150305;danielpbarron;heh, i've been playing around with that
1126189;1431150460;cazalla;pretty sweet that it still displays to be that have blocked you
1126190;1431150568;mircea_popescu;cazalla there's actually a hitler impersonator in timisoara
1126191;1431150712;danielpbarron;the "troll" in that article actually has me blocked
1126192;1431150770;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, saying that white people should defend themselves / race is dying is a hate thing nao ?
1126193;1431150820;decimation;it's been a hate thing for awhile, at least in the us
1126194;1431150829;mircea_popescu;ridoinculous.
1126195;1431150864;decimation;it goes to the 'love of the distant ideal other' that libertardation promotes
1126196;1431150907;decimation;The corollary being 'hate your kin'
1126197;1431150943;cazalla;danielpbarron, i still don't know if he is serious or trolling with the race shit
1126198;1431150970;danielpbarron;same, his girl friend too
1126199;1431150998;mircea_popescu;cazalla you ever seen that tv series about the people on the bikes ? guy with a suicide attempt gets his own show ?
1126200;1431150999;decimation;who, weev?
1126201;1431151209;decimation;weev's trolling is amusing, doubly so because twitter is desperate for income
1126202;1431151252;cazalla;mircea_popescu, doesn't sound familiar
1126203;1431151321;mircea_popescu;Black Mirror 102, �15 Million Merits�
1126204;1431151606;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's my idea of weev. neither trolling nor not trolling, merely trying to earn a living.
1126205;1431151629;mircea_popescu;the reason the system is so afraid of cohesive ideology is simply this - it knows it can destructure anything else.
1126206;1431151657;cazalla;looks interesting, worth a watch eh?
1126207;1431151662;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1126208;1431151681;mircea_popescu;i only watched that episode of it, but i have no idea how it could be worse than the stuff on tv.
1126209;1431151696;mircea_popescu;at least that shitty "medieval era with magic" thing, what's it called.
1126210;1431151702;mircea_popescu;games something
1126211;1431151714;mircea_popescu;game of thrones.
1126212;1431151730;decimation;'the system' has achieved certain outcomes w.r.t. distribution of power, and does not care for those who use their levers to take power
1126213;1431151752;cazalla;i don't mind game of thrones heh
1126214;1431151780;mircea_popescu;http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2015/01/24/black-mirror-season-102-15-million-merits << a pretty decent discussion of it.
1126215;1431151782;assbot;Black Mirror 102, “15 Million Merits” | Ordinary Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1InmCCw )
1126216;1431151786;cazalla;yeah on that page atm
1126217;1431151792;mircea_popescu;"The resilience of this world (as with our own) is that the truth cannot disable it. Even when TV tells you TV is bad for you, you�ll nod and say �that�s so right� and queue up the next episode. This irony is not lost on the producers. �15 Million Merits� is a show about a show about how destructive shows are. We recognize this as truth and congratulate ourselves for noticing. But just like the hapless redh
1126218;1431151792;mircea_popescu;ead trying on virtual helmets on-screen, our insight cannot free us."
1126219;1431151812;mircea_popescu;this'd be the problem. power derived from any sort of relationship with truth is anathema. because yes, truth alone frees no one.
1126220;1431151823;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, power based on it is unsurmountable, for this construct.
1126221;1431151832;decimation;it's gory as hell.  what amuses me is that conventional heterosexual intercourse is 'too hot' for HBO, but it's perfectly fine to show murdering
1126222;1431151843;mircea_popescu;kinda why bitcoin is so important. kinda why the gavincoin disarray was so "nobody could have predicted" for the usg side.
1126223;1431151869;mircea_popescu;decimation i thought hbo had pay per view ?
1126224;1431151890;decimation;yeah, but I think that's only for high dollar boxing
1126225;1431151926;decimation;one of my friends made a good point about that 'batman killer' who shot up the theater in denver
1126226;1431151951;decimation;shouldn't the audience have appreciated it?  they were watching a simulation of exactly what he acted out
1126227;1431151986;mircea_popescu;power for fetish of power. that's hte point. they do not appreciate it specifically because it is exactly CONTRARY to what they wanted.
1126228;1431152000;mircea_popescu;imagine if the naked woman being spied upon opened the door and invited the voyeur in.
1126229;1431152010;mircea_popescu;"but that's what he was fantasizing about!" "yes. exactly."
1126230;1431152027;decimation;"oh no, I'm not that kind of person to take advantage of a woman"
1126231;1431152033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00025884 = 5.3709 BTC [+]
1126232;1431152034;mircea_popescu;not even, just run screaming.
1126233;1431152201;mircea_popescu;anyway, that site's a sort of b-a for libertards, more or less.
1126234;1431152228;decimation;the ordinary gentlemen blog?
1126235;1431152251;mircea_popescu;ys
1126236;1431152296;decimation;yeah it's kinda on the outer ring of 'reactionary' sites as I recall
1126237;1431152352;mircea_popescu;which reactionary ?
1126238;1431152416;decimation;maybe a better description would be 'trying to bring back old republicans'
1126239;1431152497;mircea_popescu;eh, not what i see. i see a bunch of poofters from the various rags trying to act all top shelf & culturful, in their straw hats and bedsheets.
1126240;1431152513;mircea_popescu;this is the left.
1126241;1431152627;decimation;yeah, imma have to read it some more.  anyway, I'm going to retire, good evening.
1126242;1431152859;mircea_popescu;http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2009/11/02/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties < can start there.
1126243;1431152861;assbot;We Are Experiencing Institutional Difficulties | Ordinary Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnA1N )
1126244;1431153070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00025884 = 9.4347 BTC [+]
1126245;1431153129;gabriel_laddel; <decimation> "oh no, I'm not that kind of person to take advantage of a woman" << lolol
1126246;1431153171;mircea_popescu;an attitude that'll make for some pretty bored and bitter women.
1126247;1431153256;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/6d2ae96620d41048abe186a14375834c/tumblr_n11n7sipMv1r3iafjo3_500.gif
1126248;1431153258;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnSFY )
1126249;1431153362;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125284 << I wish you luck, but ftw I'm not the sort of person to discuss this class of phenomenon. Even with all the disclaimers and knowing that Aaron isn't a fuckwit I still think of his post as "new age BS". I don't exercise, smoke, drink and eat whatever I want.
1126250;1431153362;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 16:55:03; pete_dushenski: i'm currently giving 'foundation training' a go. basically simplified yoga to specifically counter the effects of sitting at a computer all day (and all night).
1126251;1431153458;gabriel_laddel; /s/ftw/ftr
1126252;1431153509;mircea_popescu;you ever read hippocratus ?
1126253;1431153522;gabriel_laddel;Nope.
1126254;1431153544;mircea_popescu;curious if it'd also seem new age-y.
1126255;1431154123;cazalla;is the bitcoin blocksize limit 1,000,000 or 1,048,576 bytes?
1126256;1431154149;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1024**2
1126257;1431154150;gribble;1048576
1126258;1431154229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14997 @ 0.00025884 = 3.8818 BTC [+]
1126259;1431154251;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1
1126260;1431154258;indiancandy1;heey crew
1126261;1431154274;indiancandy1;mp how r u
1126262;1431154287;mircea_popescu;pretty good.
1126263;1431154301;indiancandy1;thats gd 2 hear
1126264;1431154305;indiancandy1;wat u doing
1126265;1431154315;mircea_popescu;reading reports.
1126266;1431154325;mircea_popescu;i live the life of caesar.
1126267;1431154871;indiancandy1;do you
1126268;1431154894;indiancandy1;are you having orgies with male and female
1126269;1431154918;mircea_popescu;that's not caesar, that's nero.
1126270;1431155171;scoopbot_revived;Why corruption will never be eliminated, translated. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/09/why-corruption-will-never-be-eliminated-translated/
1126271;1431155266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25834 @ 0.00025413 = 6.5652 BTC [-]
1126272;1431155673;indiancandy1;i swear ceaser had orgies
1126273;1431155756;mircea_popescu;mnope.
1126274;1431155771;indiancandy1;mmmm
1126275;1431155773;mircea_popescu;gjc was a total tightass.
1126276;1431155782;indiancandy1;ohh
1126277;1431155784;indiancandy1;i see
1126278;1431155794;indiancandy1;abit like u
1126279;1431155795;indiancandy1;LOL
1126280;1431155797;indiancandy1;joke
1126281;1431155798;indiancandy1;:P
1126282;1431155832;mircea_popescu;lol
1126283;1431155836;mircea_popescu;so what are you up to ?
1126284;1431155893;indiancandy1;nothing i was in hospital
1126285;1431155896;indiancandy1;i had malaria
1126286;1431155902;indiancandy1;just recovered
1126287;1431155912;indiancandy1;taking my last dose of chloroquin today
1126288;1431155999;mircea_popescu;in england or in india this ?
1126289;1431156032;cazalla;indiancandy1, was it full blown?
1126290;1431156057;mircea_popescu;i don't think she was ever fully blown.
1126291;1431156218;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1
1126292;1431156244;indiancandy1;i got it in india
1126293;1431156252;indiancandy1;but i didnt get rid  of it
1126294;1431156255;indiancandy1;and it came back
1126295;1431156258;indiancandy1;im in england
1126296;1431156268;indiancandy1;i was in hospital on a drip crying :((
1126297;1431156285;indiancandy1;which inspired me to stop drinking alcohol
1126298;1431156382;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1126299;1431156390;mircea_popescu;most men start drinking after something like that.
1126300;1431156444;indiancandy1;well i used to be acoholic
1126301;1431156451;indiancandy1;and it was fuckin my life up
1126302;1431156454;indiancandy1;and health
1126303;1431156460;indiancandy1;i was getting into fights
1126304;1431156472;mircea_popescu;with chicks or with cops ?
1126305;1431156500;cazalla;female cops?
1126306;1431156524;indiancandy1;people
1126307;1431156526;indiancandy1;3weeks ago
1126308;1431156529;indiancandy1;i had a fight
1126309;1431156534;indiancandy1;i dont even know who with
1126310;1431156537;indiancandy1;cant remember shit
1126311;1431156560;indiancandy1;so like yea man im done with that lifestyle sex drugs n rocknroll
1126312;1431156650;mircea_popescu;so what you gonna do now ? take the implants out and join the crochet club ?
1126313;1431156717;indiancandy1;what implats
1126314;1431156723;indiancandy1;my boobs are real boo
1126315;1431156730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00025758 = 4.2629 BTC [+]
1126316;1431156762;mircea_popescu;ah ?
1126317;1431157294;indiancandy1;yes
1126318;1431157302;indiancandy1;all natural
1126319;1431157406;*;mircea_popescu tries to remember
1126320;1431157509;indiancandy1;lol
1126321;1431157514;indiancandy1;they are
1126322;1431157533;indiancandy1;im thinking of buying some btc
1126323;1431157597;mircea_popescu;funny what going dry does to people.
1126324;1431157603;mircea_popescu;you hear that cazalla ?
1126325;1431157625;indiancandy1;LOL
1126326;1431157636;cazalla;sounds like a good move
1126327;1431157641;indiancandy1;well i used 2 spend atleast 1000 pounds a month
1126328;1431157645;indiancandy1;on nightlife
1126329;1431157661;indiancandy1;now i can buy some btc
1126330;1431157687;cazalla;i thought girls drink free?
1126331;1431157701;mircea_popescu;dude... you might be the first aspiring starlet / camgirl with ~natural~ tits that actually paid.
1126332;1431157705;mircea_popescu;wtf's wrong with you.
1126333;1431157711;indiancandy1;lol
1126334;1431157730;indiancandy1;i dont like to entertain people for no reason
1126335;1431157738;indiancandy1;i get easily irritated
1126336;1431157749;indiancandy1;just for a drink no thanks il buy my own
1126337;1431157773;mircea_popescu;o.O
1126338;1431157815;indiancandy1;lol
1126339;1431157816;mircea_popescu;well... if drinks are still 5-ish quid a pop, you did end up buying a bunch.
1126340;1431157828;indiancandy1;i used to drink alot and no
1126341;1431157834;indiancandy1;in london where i used to gout
1126342;1431157840;indiancandy1;£8 t £15
1126343;1431157843;indiancandy1;varies
1126344;1431157864;indiancandy1;but yea a hell of a lot of alcohol consumed
1126345;1431157953;mircea_popescu;in other news : agrippina the younger married (ahenobarbus) at the age of 13.
1126346;1431157963;mircea_popescu;he was 45.
1126347;1431158012;indiancandy1;wat
1126348;1431158126;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1
1126349;1431158294;indiancandy1;i got fevern:(
1126350;1431158297;indiancandy1;fever
1126351;1431158349;mircea_popescu;and the only prescription is more cowbell!
1126352;1431158372;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idO3VjT8sjk
1126353;1431158373;assbot;I got a fever, and the only prescription, is more cowbell! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqSQeB )
1126354;1431158621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00025945 = 10.2483 BTC [+] {2} 
1126355;1431158896;indiancandy1;is that jolies dad
1126356;1431158913;indiancandy1;maybe not
1126357;1431158935;mircea_popescu;it's christopher walken
1126358;1431159007;indiancandy1;yh i realised after
1126359;1431159019;cazalla;indiancandy1, that's jon voight
1126360;1431159036;cazalla;the actor, not the dentist in case you google it
1126361;1431159068;mircea_popescu;what voigt!
1126362;1431159130;indiancandy1;yesss
1126363;1431159145;indiancandy1;u need to get snapchat
1126364;1431159301;mircea_popescu;why ?
1126365;1431159388;indiancandy1;funnnn
1126366;1431159424;mircea_popescu;o hey, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#744043 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#743686 i believe you, those look natural enough.
1126367;1431159424;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2014 13:24:34; indiancandy1: http://imgur.com/8u8eZ1e
1126368;1431159424;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2014 12:20:48; indiancandy1: http://imgur.com/JlzKjcw
1126369;1431159729;indiancandy1;?????????????
1126370;1431159747;mircea_popescu;that's you innit ?
1126371;1431159752;indiancandy1;yh blud
1126372;1431159805;indiancandy1;i got fever i cant take paracetamol
1126373;1431159828;indiancandy1;coz i have 2 wait 2hours after i take chlorooquine
1126374;1431159830;indiancandy1;(
1126375;1431159832;indiancandy1;:(
1126376;1431160695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00025981 = 1.9226 BTC [+]
1126377;1431163196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00025981 = 5.0533 BTC [+]
1126378;1431163257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00025758 = 6.4009 BTC [-]
1126379;1431163623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00025481 = 8.7527 BTC [-] {2} 
1126380;1431164556;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1125990 <<< lol, where's that from?
1126381;1431164556;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 01:42:24; danielpbarron: "This is frustrating; from a clean slate analysis of network health I think my conclusion would be to _decrease_ the limit below the current 300k/txn/day level." << I concur; 1MB is probably too large a block
1126382;1431164620;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126006 <<< lol wtf
1126383;1431164620;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 02:24:23; mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXNy0JeBchk davout :D
1126384;1431164893;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126121 <<< priceless
1126385;1431164893;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 03:35:27; asciilifeform: my favourite apocryphal scene is where a german general, seeing french flags, asked 'did we lose to -them- as well' ?
1126386;1431164904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00025411 = 5.3744 BTC [-] {2} 
1126387;1431165270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00025859 = 8.5593 BTC [+] {3} 
1126388;1431165819;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126255 <<< rkn it's 1,000,000
1126389;1431165819;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 06:48:43; cazalla: is the bitcoin blocksize limit 1,000,000 or 1,048,576 bytes?
1126390;1431166012;davout;cazalla: the commit -> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a30b56ebe76ffff9f9cc8a6667186179413c6349
1126391;1431166013;assbot;fix openssl linkage problems, · bitcoin/bitcoin@a30b56e · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7Gdur )
1126392;1431166027;davout;funnily enough, the commit message doesn't even mention it
1126393;1431167697;davout;;;later tell pete_dushenski in your corruption article s/lisense/license/
1126394;1431167698;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1126395;1431167710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18724 @ 0.00025744 = 4.8203 BTC [-] {2} 
1126396;1431167812;fluffypony;davout: am I seeing you on the 21st? https://forum.getmonero.org/14/events/277/monero-meetup-paris-france-may-21th-2015
1126397;1431167813;assbot;Monero | Events » Monero Meetup: Paris, France - May 21th, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9rrq )
1126398;1431167930;davout;fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/PqjYz42.png
1126399;1431167931;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9y6B )
1126400;1431167942;fluffypony;sweet
1126401;1431167995;fluffypony;now all we need is pankkake and Apocalyptic and it's a party
1126402;1431168028;davout;fluffypony: pankkake is MIA and AFAIK Apocalyptic doesn't reside in France
1126403;1431168062;fluffypony;I know, pankkake has been gone from our lives for nearly a year
1126404;1431168090;fluffypony;may he rest in pieces
1126405;1431168095;davout;lol
1126406;1431169174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17955 @ 0.00026022 = 4.6723 BTC [+]
1126407;1431171309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29071 @ 0.00025956 = 7.5457 BTC [-] {2} 
1126408;1431171858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00025407 = 9.4768 BTC [-]
1126409;1431172028;cazalla;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35c4pg/introducing_the_bitcoin_isp_invitation_only/ lol
1126410;1431172029;assbot;Introducing the Bitcoin ISP: invitation only, unknown hardware, no owned IP space, owner chooses the Linux distro, and support is only available on IRC by a lazy neckbeard. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8u30j )
1126411;1431174481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00026031 = 2.1215 BTC [+]
1126412;1431175579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23636 @ 0.0002611 = 6.1714 BTC [+] {2} 
1126413;1431175640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14106 @ 0.00026173 = 3.692 BTC [+]
1126414;1431176388;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125516 << context: funkenstein_ was commenting a while back that jews are overrepresented in banking and then released a blog post (http://frass.woodcoin.org/intelligence-is-caused-by-big-feet-obesity-by-genetics/) that starts with "You may have some idea in your mind that things like cancer, intelligence, and obesity are in some way caused by genetics.  By the time y
1126415;1431176388;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 18:38:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125148 << it's valid, but misleading. most of dna is "junk", or otherwise put "not directly obvious it actually does anything"
1126416;1431176389;gabriel_laddel;ou are done reading this post, I hope you will no longer labour under this gross misconception."
1126417;1431176645;gabriel_laddel;;; gettrust funkenstein_
1126418;1431176646;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=funkenstein_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=funkenstein_ | Rated since: never
1126419;1431176801;gabriel_laddel;;; rate funkenstein_ -1 author of a silly blogpost that reviews none of the assorted literature on the topic of choice, dances around the idea that perhaps experimental design is important and finally fails to conclude anything of significance.
1126420;1431176803;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1126421;1431176921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31161 @ 0.00026177 = 8.157 BTC [+] {2} 
1126422;1431181388;decimation;my impression of the uk is that they are the world's biggest group of drunks
1126423;1431181499;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125231 < also keep in mind, grapes don't grow very well in cold northern europe (aside from river valleys)
1126424;1431181499;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 16:15:33; mircea_popescu: anyway, the great love of beer in europe almost exactly maps to the late imperial recruiting grounds in europe.
1126425;1431181549;decimation;in the same way, the early us was cursed with the root louse that ate wine roots - they became a 'beer culture' by default
1126426;1431181570;decimation;heh 'wine roots' = 'grape roots'
1126427;1431181604;decimation;except they found they could graft european grapes on top of american rootstock - this is how nearly all wine grapes are grown today
1126428;1431183387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5736 @ 0.00025407 = 1.4573 BTC [-]
1126429;1431184302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44950 @ 0.00025994 = 11.6843 BTC [+] {3} 
1126430;1431184564;pete_dushenski;davout: got it, fixed it, cheers !
1126431;1431184625;pete_dushenski;mike_c very kind of you to suggest me. lemme take a look at ol' usgavin's latest hatchet job and see if there's a qntra article lying in wait.
1126432;1431185451;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126380 << gmaxwell's email on the power ranger mailing list -> https://archive.is/zsz7l#selection-443.2600-443.2759
1126433;1431185451;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 09:42:36; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1125990 <<< lol, where's that from?
1126434;1431185452;assbot;Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqV5ZB )
1126435;1431186193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8547 @ 0.00026198 = 2.2391 BTC [+]
1126436;1431186556;funkenstein_;gabriel_laddel, I said no such thing.  This is a public log.
1126437;1431188145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00025407 = 11.9032 BTC [-]
1126438;1431188624;punkman;http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/27366/45/
1126439;1431188626;assbot;MINA Breaking News - Situation calm after Kosovo terror group in Kumanovo started Firefight with Police ... ( http://bit.ly/1Er2LLm )
1126440;1431189424;mircea_popescu;how's teh coolaid this mornin'
1126441;1431189500;davout;feels like a coolaid bukkake these days tbh
1126442;1431189511;mircea_popescu;lol
1126443;1431189517;mircea_popescu;warmaid
1126444;1431189585;mircea_popescu;davout re the youtube : this very weird absurdist romanian comedian. i'm a fan. regularly comes up with indescribably weird shit, rarely sahre-able cause rarely in an actually spoken language.
1126445;1431189681;mircea_popescu;+static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_SIZE = 1000000; heh right you are.
1126446;1431189765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126409 << have these people actually ~even seen~ my beard ? i wish to know who the fuck has a more respectable beard than me. hegel ?
1126447;1431189765;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 11:47:08; cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35c4pg/introducing_the_bitcoin_isp_invitation_only/ lol
1126448;1431189775;mircea_popescu;marx is not even in the same fucking ballpark.
1126449;1431189820;davout;i have to concur here, you could fit food for a small african village in mircea's beard
1126450;1431189861;mircea_popescu;well... not so much small as thin, but yeah.
1126451;1431189932;mircea_popescu;i have had domestic accidents where barefoot slave stepped on beardhair on floor, hurt her foot, thing had to be cut out with wire cutters.
1126452;1431189967;davout;kek
1126453;1431190027;mircea_popescu;"Technically a hosting company is an ISP They provide Internet Serivces" / "Don't be pedantic. ISP has a meaning that goes beyond its words."
1126454;1431190029;mircea_popescu;reddit delivers.
1126455;1431190051;mircea_popescu;"we are so right because we agree with each other on things! what things ? don't be pedantic. we're right in a way that goes beyond words!"
1126456;1431190051;scoopbot_revived;The horror that is Ubuntu http://trilema.com/2015/the-horror-that-is-ubuntu/
1126457;1431190055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126024
1126458;1431190055;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 02:34:43; asciilifeform: as to dog 'food' means 'dog food', to homo derpicus - 'isp' means his local telecom monopolist
1126459;1431190065;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup. quite exactly.
1126460;1431190158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00025349 = 11.0522 BTC [-] {3} 
1126461;1431190162;mircea_popescu;"well technically an ISP is a service provided to the internet, like a phone service provider is one that provides phone service. Not services 'on' the internet, but to/from it, just a someone with a phone number is not a 'phone service provider', he is just some dude with a phone. Internet service provider provides internet services, hosting service provides hosting services. They are different."
1126462;1431190165;mircea_popescu;technically.
1126463;1431190237;mircea_popescu;anyway, major butthurt level for some incomprehensible reason.
1126464;1431190325;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126419 << does this have anything to do with jews in banking or is that chekov's gun gonna just hang ?
1126465;1431190325;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 13:06:41; gabriel_laddel: ;; rate funkenstein_ -1 author of a silly blogpost that reviews none of the assorted literature on the topic of choice, dances around the idea that perhaps experimental design is important and finally fails to conclude anything of significance.
1126466;1431190465;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron sheeeit... that selection thing is the tits. how the hell does it work ?
1126467;1431190501;mircea_popescu;omfg im in love
1126468;1431190603;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: "We wan't to kill them, not be them." << uh wan't ?
1126469;1431190610;mircea_popescu;lol
1126470;1431190612;mircea_popescu;oops
1126471;1431190657;pete_dushenski;lol i suck at romanian, you suck at english ?
1126472;1431190668;danielpbarron;you just select stuff and it updates the url
1126473;1431190724;mircea_popescu;this shit's beautiful
1126474;1431192164;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/2NH38QP.txt
1126475;1431192165;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8BWaa )
1126476;1431192166;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1126477;1431192183;pete_dushenski;^re: usgavin's retreat.
1126478;1431192291;pete_dushenski;"The canonical example is that intelligence is correlated with foot size.  It's a fact." << i'm currently a size 11.5, was once 12.5... am i stupider now than i was then ?
1126479;1431192305;pete_dushenski;i'd like to think not.
1126480;1431192348;pete_dushenski;foot shrinkage was an unexpected consequence of dropping 40lbs+
1126481;1431192373;pete_dushenski;this, about 4 years ago now.
1126482;1431192394;*;asciilifeform lulz at argentines marching in ru victory day parade
1126483;1431192404;asciilifeform;b3st phr13ndz 4ever
1126484;1431192412;pete_dushenski;"anyone but the british !"
1126485;1431192425;pete_dushenski;my enemy's enemy is...
1126486;1431192431;asciilifeform;wonder if the germans will ask 'did we lose to -them- also'
1126487;1431192458;pete_dushenski;nah, germans have a memory
1126488;1431192475;pete_dushenski;argentines are too new to have sufficient perspective and context
1126489;1431192516;pete_dushenski;much like canadians in that respect
1126490;1431192545;pete_dushenski;"let's vote in socialists because we've never had them before and we've always wanted them !"
1126491;1431192634;pete_dushenski;;;later tell cazalla and yours ! http://dpaste.com/1N6D6PB.txt
1126492;1431192635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTyjPu )
1126493;1431192635;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1126494;1431192636;scoopbot_revived;Gavin Backs Off Blocksize: Scapegoats Memory, UTXO Set http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-backs-off-blocksize-scapegoats-memory-utxo-set/
1126495;1431192645;pete_dushenski;heh. nm cazalla !
1126496;1431192703;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: thx bb ! and wd on the title ;)
1126497;1431192714;BingoBoingo;You're welcome
1126498;1431192766;danielpbarron;it's possible to encrypt a message to multiple keys at once, or is this not a good practice?
1126499;1431192792;pete_dushenski;and... *instant* trackback from qntra to contravex. good fucking god wordpress is inconsistent.
1126500;1431192814;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: i believe this is only in newer versions of gpg ?
1126501;1431192851;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it's possible. not good practice in the sense that now more people can see it.
1126502;1431192858;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nah
1126503;1431192869;pete_dushenski;ah my mistake then.
1126504;1431192906;pete_dushenski;chalk one up under 'best practise' and ignore the fact that i didn't think it could be done on 1.4.x :)
1126505;1431193028;pete_dushenski;i loooove it when a derpy commenter drops a payload like this on my lap : http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/11/the-economics-of-sinking-20-mb-gavincoin-blocks/#comment-17319
1126506;1431193029;assbot;The economics of sinking 20 MB Gavincoin blocks. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTyKJP )
1126507;1431193057;pete_dushenski;" If you want to be a global payment network you should act like one. Mike Hearn makes it clear" etc.
1126508;1431193067;pete_dushenski;pure comedy gold.
1126509;1431193130;mircea_popescu;such derpage. the situation here isn't that fiat is in control, defines the words, and bitcoin aims to please.
1126510;1431193141;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit what fiat thinks "a payment network" is like.
1126511;1431193148;pete_dushenski;clearly.
1126512;1431193153;mircea_popescu;bitcoin IS the payment network. get with the program, get crushed, whatevs.
1126513;1431193168;danielpbarron;great piece pete_dushenski. I loled a few times
1126514;1431193184;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: haha thanks :D
1126515;1431193204;pete_dushenski;and thank mike_c for putting me up to it !
1126516;1431193349;pete_dushenski;"Theorem 5: Jewish genetics cause superior intellect" << clearly, it's the converse that's true, funkenstein_ ;)
1126517;1431193485;pete_dushenski;"News flash: Culture is not genetic!" << guess it depends on what's meant by "culture". if you mean whether you eat for chopsticks or your hands, then sure, but if you mean predispositions for music, languages, fine arts, etc, it's less clear.
1126518;1431193513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20327 @ 0.00025952 = 5.2753 BTC [+]
1126519;1431193522;pete_dushenski;then again, who the fuck really understands genetics ? certainly not 'the scientists'
1126520;1431193588;pete_dushenski;"Anyway, correlation is not causation." << granted, funkenstein_, but some of these examples are a bit out to lunch.
1126521;1431194026;pete_dushenski;off to the farmer's market. bbiab.
1126522;1431194875;davout;pete_dushenski: s/undettered/undeterred/
1126523;1431194913;davout;what am i? the fucking ms office paperclip?
1126524;1431194919;davout;:D
1126525;1431194928;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-horror-that-is-ubuntu/#selection-135.16-135.56 << check this shit out!
1126526;1431194929;assbot;The horror that is Ubuntu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dU5RlS )
1126527;1431194998;asciilifeform;^ does nothing here
1126528;1431195018;mircea_popescu;gotta js
1126529;1431195080;hanbot;davout: It looks like you're having an existential crisis. Would you like some help?
1126530;1431195110;mircea_popescu;if you would like some help, press H now.
1126531;1431195119;*;asciilifeform presses 'any' key
1126532;1431195130;*;davout clicks on the "Solve computer problems" button
1126533;1431195137;mircea_popescu;24
1126534;1431195145;asciilifeform;affectionately remembered as 'аникей'
1126535;1431195221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13227 @ 0.00025826 = 3.416 BTC [-]
1126536;1431195232;davout;with every day that passes the "get actual computer, fuck with gentoo" item climbs higher and higher on my todo list
1126537;1431195411;davout;so, in my quest to getting the pogoplug working i'm at the step where i'm trying to get it to create an ext2 FS on the attached SATA drive
1126538;1431195459;davout;after fdisk'ing a new partition on it, and toggling the MKFS option in the buildroot config I can now "# busybox mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda1"
1126539;1431195489;davout;however I'm stuck getting "mkfs.ext2: lseek: Value too large for defined data type" which I've no idea how to solve :/
1126540;1431195523;mircea_popescu;ext4 ? how large is your dfrive
1126541;1431195652;davout;it's 120g
1126542;1431195690;asciilifeform;davout: known (to me) bug, presently i have no idea what caused
1126543;1431195700;asciilifeform;!s ext2 lseek
1126544;1431195701;assbot;0 results for 'ext2 lseek' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ext2+lseek
1126545;1431195704;asciilifeform;hm
1126546;1431195753;davout;i added "CONFIG_MKFS_EXT2=y" in busybox.config
1126547;1431195754;davout;ah
1126548;1431195782;davout;i also just added "CONFIG_FDISK_SUPPORT_LARGE_DISKS=y", maybe if i remove and re-add the partition it'll work
1126549;1431195795;davout;because the partition was initially made without this option
1126550;1431195930;davout;hrm, still does not work
1126551;1431196197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10344 @ 0.00025924 = 2.6816 BTC [+] {2} 
1126552;1431196221;davout;maybe #busybox will have some input
1126553;1431196252;davout;kinda problematic if we can't initialize a blank drive from the pogo itself
1126554;1431196548;davout;creating a smaller partition does not work either
1126555;1431197234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00026026 = 4.6587 BTC [+]
1126556;1431197295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00026101 = 4.8809 BTC [+]
1126557;1431197321;davout;ok, trying with CONFIG_LFS flipped on
1126558;1431197478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00026105 = 4.4509 BTC [+] {2} 
1126559;1431198172;scoopbot_revived;That spiffy selection thing. http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/
1126560;1431199507;whaack;Is there a reason you guys spell opinion oppinion in http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt ?
1126561;1431199508;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGpYSC )
1126562;1431199609;whaack;Is there a subtlety that the correct spelling of a word is, well, an oppinion and not a fact?
1126563;1431199613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12435 @ 0.00026115 = 3.2474 BTC [+]
1126564;1431199658;whaack;Or did I read too deep into that?
1126565;1431199687;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFqd81EMwj8
1126566;1431199688;assbot;Homer's BBBQ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGqjom )
1126567;1431199711;BingoBoingo;whaack: Distinct hazard of reading here. Sometime a person reads too deep, othertimes too shallow.
1126568;1431199753;whaack;Well I say my analysis is good regardless of the intentions of the author
1126569;1431199836;mircea_popescu;whaack nah i just can't spell
1126570;1431199903;asciilifeform;'Which means that specific parts will have to be highlighted later on, to be re-digested like those kernels of corn that you sometimes have to pick out of the toilet and eat all over again' << win
1126571;1431199912;mircea_popescu;:D
1126572;1431199931;asciilifeform;as cazalla no doubt knows well, leporidae actually do this
1126573;1431199939;asciilifeform;(obligate coprophagiacs!)
1126574;1431199947;mircea_popescu;gotta feed the /r/buttheads
1126575;1431200203;asciilifeform;woah, product is almost 30M now
1126576;1431200223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00026161 = 4.382 BTC [+] {2} 
1126577;1431200331;asciilifeform;davout: kinda problematic if we can't initialize a blank drive from the pogo itself << yes, this will -have- to be fixed. but either a) later or b) someone not me
1126578;1431200338;mircea_popescu;apparently someone's been ddosing trilema. herp.
1126579;1431200357;asciilifeform;wai wat, there are times when -no one- is ddosing trilema ?
1126580;1431200384;mircea_popescu;yes actually.
1126581;1431200391;*;asciilifeform floored
1126582;1431200431;mircea_popescu;it's really a fringe phenomenon.
1126583;1431200489;asciilifeform;how's that
1126584;1431200529;mircea_popescu;in the sense that it's not common.
1126585;1431200543;mircea_popescu;attempts to bruteforce ssh credentials, for instance, are ubiquitous.
1126586;1431200578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: those are largely automatic - in the sense that every box that successfully breaks open gets to participate in the next round
1126587;1431200596;mircea_popescu;yup.
1126588;1431200609;asciilifeform;some of these are, properly speaking, 'worms' in the sense of needing no living operator at all
1126589;1431200612;mircea_popescu;at any rate, today i have ~70k lines of 185.11.147.17 - - [09/May/2015:11:54:35 -0400] "POST /xmlrpc.php HTTP/1.0" 200 54 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1;  http://www.google.com/bot.html)"
1126590;1431200612;assbot;Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGsqc0 )
1126591;1431200616;asciilifeform;doomed to derp for all eternity
1126592;1431200616;mircea_popescu;which is kindalulzy.
1126593;1431200656;asciilifeform;if tired of this, 'fail2ban' or the like.
1126594;1431200687;mircea_popescu;yeah, but i prefer to watch.
1126595;1431200728;*;asciilifeform just came back from 2h of watching cats hunt birds from hammock. so grasps this.
1126596;1431200759;mircea_popescu;did they catch anything ?
1126597;1431200767;asciilifeform;as a matter of fact, they did.
1126598;1431200777;mircea_popescu;yeah. they do more often than people realise.
1126599;1431200857;asciilifeform;the interesting thing re: ssh bruteforcers is the implication
1126600;1431200871;asciilifeform;i.e. that there is ample supply of morons with guessable pw
1126601;1431200921;mircea_popescu;or that not many are needed.
1126602;1431200945;mircea_popescu;however... look at the count of DSA 1kb keys IN THE STRONG SET
1126603;1431200955;asciilifeform;funnily enough, i haven't seen a single ssh bruteforcebot on my regular boxes since moving ssh to nonstandard ports. did not expect this to have any effect, but it did. vanished. evidently the 'ancient art' of port scan has been forgotten? go figure.
1126604;1431200994;mircea_popescu;not worth the hassle.
1126605;1431201003;*;asciilifeform reads logs regularly and does not enjoy seeing them filled with megs of derp
1126606;1431201005;mircea_popescu;if you know enough to move it, no longer interesting target.
1126607;1431201027;asciilifeform;i sorta imagined that lamers might move the port instead of setting up keyed auth or whatnot
1126608;1431201040;asciilifeform;and that it would make for a -more- enticing target
1126609;1431201077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12212 @ 0.00026115 = 3.1892 BTC [-]
1126610;1431201095;mircea_popescu;nah. i imagine the ideal box from this perspective is something that hasn't been touched since 1999
1126611;1431201109;mircea_popescu;because odds are it will continue to exist through 2020, and just as untouched
1126612;1431201138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00026198 = 9.1693 BTC [+]
1126613;1431201150;asciilifeform;'99 might even be home to the original ssh meda-deathbug
1126614;1431201153;asciilifeform;*mega-
1126615;1431201289;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/05/force-026-022.pdf << mega-l0l, more carl force crud
1126616;1431201368;asciilifeform;^ lays out (claimed) personal finances
1126617;1431201427;mircea_popescu;anything good ?
1126618;1431201550;mircea_popescu;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Gavin-Andresen-Satoshi-costume.jpg << camho in that pic always good for a chuckle.
1126619;1431201552;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGub99 )
1126620;1431201559;mircea_popescu;the camera led -> open mouth reflex.
1126621;1431201611;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski "much superior " is not english yo. muchly. vastly. something.
1126622;1431201652;mircea_popescu;also, it would be nice if you sourced the "More transactions means more memory for the UTXO database" objection correctly.
1126623;1431201720;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092279
1126624;1431201720;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2015 20:33:20; mircea_popescu: note that this is one of the majorest issues lurking in the "larger blocks"
1126625;1431201745;mircea_popescu;it was discussed on #bitcoin-assets long before the various bottom feeders posing as "technical" something or the other caught wind of it.
1126626;1431201800;mircea_popescu;and yo, various derps : next time you read something on the log, don't just run off and repackage it as your own thing, like some sort of idiot third worlder. link it to its source, that's how the giants were made upon whose shoulders your midget parents made you scum.
1126627;1431201931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00026198 = 1.9256 BTC [+]
1126628;1431202019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who is the chick in the photo ?
1126629;1431202043;asciilifeform;and why is gavin wearing camera lens caps for glasses
1126630;1431202062;trinque;because that's what a chief scientist looks like
1126631;1431202068;trinque;plays well with the kids
1126632;1431202073;asciilifeform;with... pipe clamp ?
1126633;1431202092;trinque;look at the happy skank to his immediate left
1126634;1431202109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform random conference goer.
1126635;1431202130;asciilifeform;woah, conferences with gurlz
1126636;1431202139;*;asciilifeform heard of those
1126637;1431202174;mircea_popescu;it's usually for cars, cosmetics, dumb shit like that.
1126638;1431202209;asciilifeform;on what planet are gurlz into cars ?
1126639;1431202229;mircea_popescu;they get paid to be there.
1126640;1431202232;asciilifeform;aha those.
1126641;1431202236;mircea_popescu;same with porn conferences.
1126642;1431202327;mircea_popescu;http://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsanchez/photos-from-the-avn-adult-expo << kinda one of the top perks employers give to the "online journalist" crowd.
1126643;1431202330;assbot;49 Insane Photos From The World's Largest Porn Convention ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fch7pB )
1126644;1431202531;asciilifeform;l0l!
1126645;1431202606;trinque;some bum's shouting about revolution on the corner
1126646;1431202611;trinque;... is this how it begins?
1126647;1431202625;ben_vulpes;nah, the weather's too nice
1126648;1431202637;trinque;heh
1126649;1431202961;mircea_popescu;dude the world is awash in fat, lazy, drab female "stand-up comedians" with delusions of political ideas.
1126650;1431202966;mircea_popescu;when the shit did this happen.
1126651;1431203151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00026198 = 2.1333 BTC [+]
1126652;1431203222;ben_vulpes;<davout> [18:12] with every day that passes the "get actual computer, fuck with gentoo" item climbs higher and higher on my todo list << davout if you can figure out what an "actual computer" is, let me know
1126653;1431203693;trinque;I'm workin on my gentoo bootstrap script today
1126654;1431204584;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126522 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126621 << if only i had editing rights on qntra, i'd s/undettered/undeterred/ and add "oh-so" instead of "much" in front of "superior"
1126655;1431204584;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 18:07:55; davout: pete_dushenski: s/undettered/undeterred/
1126656;1431204584;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 20:00:11; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "much superior " is not english yo. muchly. vastly. something.
1126657;1431204645;pete_dushenski;also, it wasn't at all clear where googley eyes borrowed "More transactions means more memory for the UTXO database" from, but i agree, mircea_popescu, log quotes should be in there.
1126658;1431205225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17234 @ 0.00026115 = 4.5007 BTC [-]
1126659;1431205713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00026101 = 7.9739 BTC [-] {2} 
1126660;1431205889;pete_dushenski;"“Don’t vote! None have the right to legislate except Allah,” read one of dozens of bills splayed on car windshields outside the St. Saviour’s polling station in the east London constituency of Poplar and Limehouse. " << that's one angle from which to poke holes in popular democracy, i guess
1126661;1431205957;pete_dushenski;"any Muslim political candidate who sought to represent the issues most keenly felt by his fellow co-religionists – for example, solidarity with the Palestinian cause – risked being demonized and labelled an extremist."
1126662;1431205997;pete_dushenski;"Popular British-Bangladeshi politician Lutfur Rahman was kicked out of office after being found guilty of corruption and illegal practices. Mr. Rahman has publically denied the charges and his supporters have accused the ex-mayor’s critics of racism and Islamophobia." << those racialists !
1126663;1431206079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00026199 = 4.9647 BTC [+]
1126664;1431206182;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRGC-5LjJ2M << "is it coz i is black ?"
1126665;1431206183;assbot;Ali G racialist - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcovRV )
1126666;1431206459;Naphex;pete_dushenski: doez yoo think the media have changed?:)
1126667;1431206509;pete_dushenski;lol "i have 50 books on the english language if you need to borrow one"
1126668;1431207156;Naphex;pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/WXhyD0QOw6s?t=1289 is a classic one too :D lmao
1126669;1431207158;assbot;Da Ali G Show - USA (FULL) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcpzp2 )
1126670;1431207238;pete_dushenski;totally.
1126671;1431207654;pete_dushenski;http://www.commieobama.com/pages/hat_info.html << damn, ushanka with 'leninade' sold out.
1126672;1431207655;assbot;Commie Obama Rally Cap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANCtme )
1126673;1431207916;pete_dushenski;"President Obama (both a graduate from the Ivy League and Nobel prize winner) is neither smart, nor a noteworthy peace maker.  But that doesn't matter.  The left has won over the key voting boards to give him these now-plastic trophies which dupes enough Americans into voting him (and other talentless leftists) into office." << notbad.
1126674;1431208023;pete_dushenski;"Unfortunately, this facade is not going to last.  And the reason is very simple.  The internet.The internet is breaking the left's grip on the scams these awards have become. "
1126675;1431208059;pete_dushenski;ok, ima invite this guy over.
1126676;1431208459;pete_dushenski;ah, "awaiting comment moderation"
1126677;1431208533;pete_dushenski;in any event, please to !up "captaincapitalism" if he makes his way here.
1126678;1431208542;pete_dushenski;http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/ << him.
1126679;1431208544;assbot;Captain Capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANEdMh )
1126680;1431208631;mircea_popescu;"Obama is neither smart nor a noteworthy peace maker.  But that doesn't matter.  The left has won over the key voting boards to give him these now-plastic trophies." << that part is exact.
1126681;1431208669;pete_dushenski;quite so.
1126682;1431208795;bitstein;mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/NakamotoInst/status/597158847103442944
1126683;1431208812;mircea_popescu;$ curl -I http://thethug.life/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/giant.png
1126684;1431208812;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANEGOp )
1126685;1431208812;mircea_popescu;Content-Length: 2068032
1126686;1431208816;mircea_popescu;dude williamdunne you can't be serious!
1126687;1431208863;mircea_popescu;bitstein hey, cool
1126688;1431208864;pete_dushenski;eek, i thought 1/10th of that on my previous header image was bad.
1126689;1431208910;pete_dushenski;new golfing header image is only 69,813 bytes
1126690;1431208921;bitstein;Right? That blog post of yours made my afternoon.
1126691;1431208948;pete_dushenski;bitstein: the gavin one ?
1126692;1431208952;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: mmm probably ought to reduce that number
1126693;1431208971;pete_dushenski;bitstein: a nm, mp's !
1126694;1431209092;williamdunne;I was just moving it over to wordpress yesterday
1126695;1431209094;williamdunne;Not done yet
1126696;1431209191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18201 @ 0.00025853 = 4.7055 BTC [-] {3} 
1126697;1431209458;Naphex;pete_dushenski: found this on your blog http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/GIF.pdf it was just what i needed atm. awesome thanks! :P
1126698;1431209460;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANFRNO )
1126699;1431209539;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126523 <<< fixed, thanks clippy
1126700;1431209539;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 18:08:33; davout: what am i? the fucking ms office paperclip?
1126701;1431209740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9937 @ 0.00026199 = 2.6034 BTC [+]
1126702;1431209764;pete_dushenski;Naphex: thank taleb !
1126703;1431209801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31298 @ 0.00026199 = 8.1998 BTC [+]
1126704;1431209989;decimation;lol http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/2015/05/im-officially-predicting-recessionbut.html < us is gonna have another recession soon
1126705;1431209990;assbot;Captain Capitalism: I'm Officially Predicting Recession...But... ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUqSwN )
1126706;1431210050;decimation;turns out 2% growth is the 'new normal' and a good chunk of that is simply due to inviting the third world to move here and spend usd
1126707;1431210103;cazalla;decimation, i use to read his stuff but i think he has an over-inflated sense of his own intelligence (some IQ video of his rubbed me the wrong way.. coulda been this, coulda been that, coulda been a dr type shit)
1126708;1431210120;cazalla;pete_dushenski, fixed and added oh-so
1126709;1431210161;decimation;yeah, he probably posts more noise than signal from a brief overview
1126710;1431210190;decimation;are you with funkenstein - there's no genetic basis for IQ?
1126711;1431210271;cazalla;i wouldn't have a clue nor do i care, i just want to garden ok
1126712;1431210282;decimation;heh fair enough
1126713;1431210344;decimation;I would recommend watching this series: http://www.pellebilling.com/2011/12/norwegian-comedian-challenges-myths-about-nature-versus-nurture/
1126714;1431210346;assbot; Norwegian Comedian Challenges Myths About Nature Versus Nurture Pelle Billing  ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUreDv )
1126715;1431210350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00025279 = 7.0149 BTC [-] {2} 
1126716;1431210462;jurov;$depth x.eur
1126717;1431210467;jurov;!depth x.eur
1126718;1431210473;cazalla;fwiw, i think it's a combination of the two but then again, some kids will do well regardless of which family they find themselves born into so who knows, i'm trying the nurture thing with my son so we'll see
1126719;1431210492;jurov;!t m x.eur
1126720;1431210492;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00464884 / 0.00465496 / 0.00468076 (125 shares, 0.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00464884 / 0.00475938 / 0.00493174 (1467 shares, 6.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00441189 / 0.00460537 / 0.00497501 (6442 shares, 29.67 BTC)
1126721;1431210529;jurov;!mpif
1126722;1431210530;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]
1126723;1431210557;decimation;cazalla: I agree, the question is merely 'what is the ratio'?  80% nature? 50/50? The answer isn't obvious, but the evidence seems to tilt toward 'mostly genetic, some nurture'
1126724;1431210601;decimation;;;ticker
1126725;1431210602;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.0, Best ask: 244.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 244.0, 24 hour volume: 18972.17104936, 24 hour low: 240.1, 24 hour high: 249.21, 24 hour vwap: None
1126726;1431210725;jurov;nah, it's all the about celestial body constellations at birth
1126727;1431210857;cazalla;jurov, some people believe that :\ missus has a friend that takes her 3 year olds to get their chi flowing
1126728;1431210896;pete_dushenski;cazalla: cheers !
1126729;1431210910;jurov;sounds dangerously close to pedo
1126730;1431210960;cazalla;nah, chinese herbs and acupuncture
1126731;1431210995;cazalla;but if you were a pedo, it would make for a great cloak to guise yourself in
1126732;1431211040;decimation;cazalla, regarding nurture, it seems to me that the 'sure thing' is teaching skills like reading, languages, manual skills, etc
1126733;1431211283;mircea_popescu;decimation how did you exclude "divine blessing" from your formula ?
1126734;1431211344;cazalla;decimation, i'd include proper food (i prepare nearly all the meals for my son) and some adversity, too many kids being nurtured to death these days
1126735;1431211360;decimation;"divine blessing" has nothing to do with worldly outcomes
1126736;1431211368;mircea_popescu;what, apodictically ?
1126737;1431211386;decimation;cazalla: agreed, kids need to figure stuff out themselves
1126738;1431211389;mircea_popescu;if you do that, what's to impede funkenstain from excluding genetics consideration from "wordly outcomes" ?
1126739;1431211398;mircea_popescu;after all, genetics is a statistical approach, you're discussing individuals.
1126740;1431211420;decimation;absolutely.  still, one would have to explain the twins studies
1126741;1431211468;mircea_popescu;point remains, it's at best strange to be trying to split percents when you've not even produced a rigurous set of factors.
1126742;1431211499;decimation;how can anything involving humanity be split into factors?  it's all a wag
1126743;1431211509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26778 @ 0.00025272 = 6.7673 BTC [-]
1126744;1431211529;mircea_popescu;i suppose so
1126745;1431211547;mircea_popescu;then at most you can say is, nurture 2x as important as nature. youcan't say 66%/33%
1126746;1431211615;decimation;agreed, that's a more precise wording.  "Nature seems to have a stronger effect than nurture in a variety of situations"
1126747;1431211625;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the sake of bothering you, let me propose an equivalent model.
1126748;1431211650;mircea_popescu;so : suppose we're looking at a recipient of defined gas, and each molecule's "iq" is its kinetic momentum.
1126749;1431211663;mircea_popescu;so... is type or circumstance more impactful in the iq of a given molecule ?
1126750;1431211677;mircea_popescu;1) the "iq"s are distributed normally
1126751;1431211693;mircea_popescu;2) if the recipient is full of identical molecules... you STILL get normal distribution of "IQ"
1126752;1431211699;mircea_popescu;what now ?
1126753;1431211758;mircea_popescu;the flagon full of hydrogen is a very boring Africa of "IQ" because it never produces the fun looking lasers other compositions produce.
1126754;1431211760;decimation;little can be said, until one encounters another defined gas with a different mean
1126755;1431211773;mircea_popescu;(clearly, mixing all the gases together into multigasualism is the solution!"
1126756;1431211788;mircea_popescu;(also clearly, chlorine's refusal to miscegenate with oxigen is racism!)
1126757;1431211815;decimation;heh
1126758;1431211870;decimation;even socialist professors admit that people generally 'have worse outcomes' in a situation where they are surrounded by other humans unlike themselves
1126759;1431211879;mircea_popescu;in short : the complexities involved in this matter are properly wovon
1126760;1431211938;mircea_popescu;heh, i have been surrounded by humans unlike myself my entire life.
1126761;1431211954;decimation;the best one can do is try to find 'natural experiments' like twins, but I'm sure with enough study of the details there one could find plenty of subtle 'unlikenesses' between supposedly identical twins
1126762;1431212065;mircea_popescu;for that matter - all brothers are mithocondrial twins.
1126763;1431213583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.00026224 = 19.3795 BTC [+] {2} 
1126764;1431214220;pete_dushenski;!up jordandotdev
1126765;1431214291;pete_dushenski;what's new, jordandotdev ?
1126766;1431214309;jordandotdev;notta living in San Francisco...fighting the good fight
1126767;1431214327;pete_dushenski;what do you do in sanfran ?
1126768;1431214331;jordandotdev;Software engineer
1126769;1431214335;jordandotdev;doing NGO work right now
1126770;1431214339;jordandotdev;consulting...
1126771;1431214354;pete_dushenski;like software consulting ?
1126772;1431214357;jordandotdev;yeah
1126773;1431214364;jordandotdev;for NGOs ...
1126774;1431214372;jordandotdev;was working in Hong Kong last year trying to get into Bitcoin...
1126775;1431214373;pete_dushenski;links to any work ?
1126776;1431214388;jordandotdev;it's mostly back-office stuff for orgs
1126777;1431214395;jordandotdev;I have a bitcoin streaming site I'm messing around with
1126778;1431214401;jordandotdev;but haven't decided what direction to take it in
1126779;1431214407;jordandotdev;http://tipt.tv
1126780;1431214408;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTuSHO )
1126781;1431214421;jordandotdev;use betacode 'tipt'
1126782;1431214452;pete_dushenski;ah, looks like a platform for camgirls or something
1126783;1431214463;jordandotdev;yeah I can't decide I wanted to learn more about RMTP etc.
1126784;1431214470;jordandotdev;I met some people that wanted to do eSports tournaments
1126785;1431214473;pete_dushenski;that background is giving me a fucking seizure though
1126786;1431214474;jordandotdev;but they haven't gotten back to me
1126787;1431214478;jordandotdev;haha sorry
1126788;1431214509;pete_dushenski;so why don't you follow up with these esports fellas ?
1126789;1431214516;pete_dushenski;gotta be persistent y'know
1126790;1431214519;jordandotdev;they haven't gotten back to me...for sure
1126791;1431214524;jordandotdev;been busy moving and getting into a new city
1126792;1431214529;jordandotdev;everyone has a project!
1126793;1431214541;jordandotdev;I was hacking away on this when I was unemployed
1126794;1431214601;jordandotdev;but yeah I will follow up with them ... the video platforms that make bitcoin a first-class citizen are pretty few and far-between
1126795;1431214606;jordandotdev;twitch has tipping obviously but
1126796;1431214616;jordandotdev;but they've got a stanglehold on that market
1126797;1431214630;pete_dushenski;!s twitch
1126798;1431214631;assbot;35 results for 'twitch' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twitch
1126799;1431214690;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808727 ok.
1126800;1431214690;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2014 20:33:27; assbot: Amazon to buy live-stream gaming site Twitch for $970M - CNET
1126801;1431214706;pete_dushenski;jordandotdev: so hong kong...
1126802;1431214713;jordandotdev;yeah I worked with Bitfinex for a bit
1126803;1431214724;jordandotdev;and am still interviewing for a few more projects with some contacts I made there
1126804;1431214735;pete_dushenski;what was bitfinex like on the inside ?
1126805;1431214737;jordandotdev;and some other Bitcoin people I met in HK -- some have moved on etc.
1126806;1431214767;jordandotdev;well I was friends with Raphael at first...he's in London and he runs the tech side of thing...I was working with the CEO there...so they're a distributed team
1126807;1431214794;*;pete_dushenski didn't know that bitfinex was in hk, only that they're 'bitcoinica' reincarnate
1126808;1431214794;jordandotdev;and the CEO is great, and they're good guys, really focused on keeping people safe...but as far as 'tech initiatives' I was really in the wrong place
1126809;1431214803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38829 @ 0.00026289 = 10.2078 BTC [+] {3} 
1126810;1431214821;pete_dushenski;relevant : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791907
1126811;1431214821;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2014 00:57:07; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes  nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights)
1126812;1431214846;jordandotdev;yeah HQ is in HK, and they're domiciled in HK, Taiwan, and British Antilles?
1126813;1431214861;pete_dushenski;jordandotdev: so if they're 'distributed' why did you move to hk ? why not stay stateside (where i presume you're from ?)
1126814;1431214873;jordandotdev;I was working for a VC firm as my dayjob
1126815;1431214881;jordandotdev;I was just just consulting on some internal projects
1126816;1431214889;jordandotdev;VC was based in HK and Mumbai ...
1126817;1431214903;jordandotdev;but that job didn't end up working out - and I wasn't getting enough other work with Bitfinex to support myself there
1126818;1431214911;jordandotdev;so it was either go work for a bank in HK or come back to the states
1126819;1431214930;pete_dushenski;what's wrong with a bank in hk ?
1126820;1431214995;jordandotdev;I just don't want to work at a bank at this point in my career
1126821;1431215004;jordandotdev;I'm still happy to do start-up stuff here in the states
1126822;1431215016;jordandotdev;start-up scene in HK is kind of nascent compared to SF
1126823;1431215047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00025405 = 1.3782 BTC [-] {2} 
1126824;1431215051;jordandotdev;I do want to get into finance so I'm looking to do project management for quantitative developers etc. / go to school for a masters in finance if I can cut it (:
1126825;1431215056;jordandotdev;how about you pete_dushenski have we talked before?
1126826;1431215101;pete_dushenski;seems to me like a bank would be a perfectly reasonable place to learn finance, likely better than 'quantitative developers'
1126827;1431215114;pete_dushenski;but mebbe i'm off.
1126828;1431215140;pete_dushenski;jordandotdev: i don't believe we've talked before, no.
1126829;1431215148;jordandotdev;Oh ok ...
1126830;1431215499;pete_dushenski;https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= << call it a doubling-and-a-half of block size over the last two years.
1126831;1431215500;assbot;Bitcoin Average Block Size ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTw0v5 )
1126832;1431215716;pete_dushenski;jordandotdev: so what brings you by today ? anything in particular ?
1126833;1431215755;jordandotdev;pete_dushenski: naw just had this as one of my channels in autojoin irccloud - I've been interested in mircea's work and have read some of his stuff
1126834;1431215790;pete_dushenski;ah ok. you in the wot yet ?
1126835;1431215797;jordandotdev;wot?
1126836;1431215806;pete_dushenski;web of trust.
1126837;1431215811;pete_dushenski;uses pgp.
1126838;1431215817;jordandotdev;Ummm it's been some time since I last updated it
1126839;1431215822;jordandotdev;I don't think I did one for bitcoin-assets
1126840;1431215831;jordandotdev;I did one for bitcoin-otc a while ago
1126841;1431215836;pete_dushenski;double ummm, you don't 'update' pgp
1126842;1431215845;jordandotdev;sorry
1126843;1431215858;jordandotdev;yes I have my key I don't know if I'm in this web-of-trust
1126844;1431215868;pete_dushenski;!h
1126845;1431215868;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1126846;1431215875;pete_dushenski;^follow along.
1126847;1431215907;jordandotdev;roger that
1126848;1431216018;pete_dushenski;"Coinbase is seriously crossing the line now. I have had an account with Coinbase for well over 1.5 year. I bought some btc in March, and sent it to a DNM (won't say which one).. and did not purchase anything. I did not. The btc was a trivial amount, and said DNM has been having troubles with their uptime lately. Literally, no crime committed.
1126849;1431216019;pete_dushenski;Fast fwd to yesterday. I wasn't home yet from work, but my wife tells me local LE showed up and wanted to have a "chat". Asked if I or anone had ever ordered anything illicit in the mail. Said "nobody's in trouble, we're just following up on something that might be nothing"."
1126850;1431216028;pete_dushenski;such lulz.
1126851;1431216032;pete_dushenski;!up jordandotdev
1126852;1431216124;jordandotdev;@ pete_dushenski yeah I'm in the WOT http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/jordandotdev/
1126853;1431216125;assbot;jordandotdev WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTwwJw )
1126854;1431216132;pete_dushenski;http://cryptome.org/2015/05/force-026-022.pdf << more carl mark force funz for BingoBoingo
1126855;1431216196;pete_dushenski;jordandotdev: ah well there ya go.
1126856;1431216227;pete_dushenski;who's xiando to you ?
1126857;1431216239;pete_dushenski;a rating of '10' ? for realz ??
1126858;1431216561;pete_dushenski;well, it's been a gas but i'm off for the eve. cheerio !
1126859;1431218950;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. so, this box : if hard drive is attached, will not boot off usb stick. just ignore it, pretend it doesn't exist. is hd is detached, will boot off stick just fine, but will NOT detect the hard drive no matter what happens.
1126860;1431218975;mircea_popescu;computing doesn't need someliers, computing needs people with blowtorches.
1126861;1431218980;decimation;shitty bios is shitty
1126862;1431219016;mircea_popescu;incidentally, bios chips should be detachable .
1126863;1431220265;decimation;detachable inspect-able bios is ascii's dream
1126864;1431220526;hanbot;!up keithcox
1126865;1431220901;mod6;!up ascii_lander
1126866;1431220955;mod6;i must be stale.
1126867;1431221195;decimation;poor ascii must be dialing in from mars
1126868;1431222367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00025608 = 1.8822 BTC [+]
1126869;1431223174;mircea_popescu;!up asciilifeform
1126870;1431223182;mircea_popescu;!down asciilifeform
1126871;1431223187;mircea_popescu;o.O
1126872;1431223191;mircea_popescu;!up asciilifeform
1126873;1431223259;mod6;!down asciilifeform
1126874;1431223267;mod6;!up asciilifeform
1126875;1431223275;mod6;yeah, was just stale.
1126876;1431223324;mircea_popescu;http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt << ahh, the naive writs of our forefathers.
1126877;1431223325;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AO3SEk )
1126878;1431223599;mircea_popescu;lol hanbot don't be pedantic!
1126879;1431223850;mod6;ahh, the naive writs of our forefathers. << ah yeah! isn't that from like '98 cypherpunks?
1126880;1431223878;mircea_popescu;mhm
1126881;1431223900;mod6;apparently Satoshi had some correspondence with Wei Dai
1126882;1431223931;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of annoying "magic numbers will save us" voodoo in there, like "Each server is required to deposit a certain amount of money in a special account to be used as potential fines or rewards for proof of misconduct."
1126883;1431223946;mircea_popescu;but nevertheless... the plane looks as much as a plane as it could, among the bamboo sticks and clay pottery.
1126884;1431223947;mod6;yeah, saw that.
1126885;1431224565;mod6;asciilifeform: here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage+Thermonuke test: http://dpaste.com/3Q81JA6.txt
1126886;1431224566;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1AO5Tk0 )
1126887;1431224634;mod6;!up ascii_modem
1126888;1431224683;ascii_modem;all of -my- boxen have socketed bios or else soic8 where can use crocodile
1126889;1431224701;ascii_modem;because wtf
1126890;1431225218;mod6;!up asciilifeform
1126891;1431225223;ascii_modem;wat
1126892;1431225242;mircea_popescu;it had a socketed bios.
1126893;1431225249;ascii_modem;arsebot shat itself?
1126894;1431225296;mircea_popescu;possibly at some point
1126895;1431225307;mod6;naw, it died a few days ago... and i remained voiced, but stale from assbots' view
1126896;1431225410;ascii_modem;so i was in a train station, and saw rare sight:
1126897;1431225441;ascii_modem;policemen dragging away some fella in a clean suit and white face
1126898;1431225476;mod6;"unpaid parking tickets"
1126899;1431225504;ascii_modem;turns out he was caught stealing gurl's ticket - his s.o.
1126900;1431225745;ascii_modem;(is the correct engl. legalism for this kind of thing still 'a domestic' if the drama is in a public place?)
1126901;1431225843;mod6;not sure. you'd think the choad would have just bought a ticket of his own. or if caught without a ticket, kept his mouth shut and paid a fine.
1126902;1431225929;mod6;here it's like $200 fine if caught without a ticket.
1126903;1431225930;ascii_modem;it looked like he was trying to keep her from leaving
1126904;1431225938;mod6;oh
1126905;1431225960;mod6;yeah, then that something different entierly i'd guess as far as statutes, etc.
1126906;1431226074;mod6;train drama cracks me up. i see it from time to time.
1126907;1431226132;mod6;usually it's just hobo's drunk asf going on at high volume about aliens or jesus.  but every now and then, a good fight breaks out.
1126908;1431226166;ascii_modem;re: bios: i'm rather surprised that mircea_popescu doesn't demand 'coreboot' (aka linuxbios) on his boxes
1126909;1431226275;ascii_modem;not so hard to build & burn - on reasonable iron (fuck intel)
1126910;1431226481;mod6;!up ascii_modem
1126911;1431227077;mod6;!up asciilifeform
1126912;1431227283;decimation;asciilifeform: why would they arrest over subway ticket?  pay fine and move on?  Must be complicated with the 'domestic'
1126913;1431228223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 554 @ 0.00233 = 1.2908 BTC [+]
1126914;1431229124;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120886 < the positive void coefficient design was a bad move, and another was the fact that the containment was essentially a wooden shed
1126915;1431229124;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2015 14:54:53; mircea_popescu: and this is how chernobyl happened.
1126916;1431229956;decimation;http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=18757 < baltimore burns, and 40 miles away usg implements plans to instruct hobbyist r/c aircraft pilots
1126917;1431229958;assbot;Press Release – FAA’s B4UFLY App Will Help UAS Pilots Operate Safely and Legally ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTID9m )
1126918;1431230358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101239 @ 0.00025699 = 26.0174 BTC [+] {2} 
1126919;1431231744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fuck does this mean, stealing his gurl's ticket
1126920;1431231798;mircea_popescu;decimation nah, it was concrete
1126921;1431232384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "Gerrit workflow - Gerrit interprets each Git commit as an individual change. Changes are autobuilt by Jenkins, and can be reviewed by developers. Once a change has gotten a positive review and has no build issues, it is applied to the master branch. Thus, no developer directly pushes to master."
1126922;1431232388;mircea_popescu;because it's retarded.
1126923;1431232499;mircea_popescu;go to all that trouble to introduce git hooks to sign, eschew pgp. i wouldn't use them to put a fire out.
1126924;1431232778;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/1b9759c651468fb1d3a4b462224ec2c0/tumblr_mwyojcsRmM1scedu9o1_500.jpg
1126925;1431232780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWKDyE )
1126926;1431234062;ben_vulpes;meh, i bet her return's sloppy
1126927;1431234099;mircea_popescu;fine, have a replacement free of charge. http://31.media.tumblr.com/6e3cc264c57961fb6f28bbaf38e2cc66/tumblr_n077bd6igt1rrlqg0o1_400.gif
1126928;1431234101;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWLFdM )
1126929;1431234161;*;ben_vulpes is pleased
1126930;1431234197;ben_vulpes;dude html is the worst
1126931;1431234243;ben_vulpes;p and and and ul and div and everything are just so floppy all of the time and used in such wildly divergent ways
1126932;1431237040;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the fuck does this mean << what it looked like: she was leaving town, he tried to get in the way
1126933;1431237089;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Gerrit workflow - Gerrit interprets each Git commit ... << wtf why even
1126934;1431237101;asciilifeform;how mircea_popescu even came to see this cthonian horror.
1126935;1431239084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00026314 = 7.4732 BTC [+]
1126936;1431241791;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from their "download" page. http://www.coreboot.org/ click download
1126937;1431241792;assbot;coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa84dr )
1126938;1431242864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14081 @ 0.00026314 = 3.7053 BTC [+]
1126939;1431244633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37927 @ 0.00025979 = 9.8531 BTC [-]
1126940;1431245292;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21f3of/mircea_popescu_on_wikipedia/ lmao
1126941;1431245293;assbot;Mircea Popescu on Wikipedia : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUYYAO )
1126942;1431245356;mircea_popescu;;;seen chillum
1126943;1431245356;gribble;chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing
1126944;1431245368;mircea_popescu;;;later tell chillum hey, you gonna ban that dude now ?
1126945;1431245369;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1126946;1431245953;mircea_popescu;oh, even more good shit. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xrov/mpex_owner_getting_letters_from_us_gov_in_danger/
1126947;1431245954;assbot;MPEx owner getting letters from US gov, in danger of being extradited to US to stand trial : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H6JjYB )
1126948;1431245975;mircea_popescu;who knew reddit actually becomes funny after a year or so.
1126949;1431246524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25626 @ 0.00025702 = 6.5864 BTC [-]
1126950;1431246951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9334 @ 0.00026063 = 2.4327 BTC [+] {2} 
1126951;1431247012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46616 @ 0.00026322 = 12.2703 BTC [+] {2} 
1126952;1431247208;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2pzssy/in_what_world_are_smart_contracts_actually_a_good/ << ftr, "smart contracts" are actually infinitely stupid.
1126953;1431247209;assbot;In what world are "smart contracts" actually a good idea? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H6Lrzx )
1126954;1431247221;mircea_popescu;we don't usually discuss it because it's so amply obvious, but just in case.
1126955;1431250535;davout;asciilifeform: so i managed to get "busybox mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda1" working on the pogo by using buildroot-2015.05-rc1 instead of 2015.02, applying your patches (which do apply cleanly), apply my WIP-patch, and boot on that
1126956;1431250551;davout;as the little work would say: 'victory is mine!'
1126957;1431251986;davout;so now my next issue is when trying to run your experimental armv5 build i get:
1126958;1431251988;davout;"/bin/sh: ./bitcoind-armv5-traditional_b8eec4fa118ba1deefa35af38fe58ae160ec22f4: not found"
1126959;1431252011;davout;*worm btw
1126960;1431252660;davout;oh and ben_vulpes, by 'real computer' I mean any non-Apple machine, that'll always be a good improvememnt :D
1126961;1431253783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39979 @ 0.00026338 = 10.5297 BTC [+] {2} 
1126962;1431253966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47651 @ 0.0002644 = 12.5989 BTC [+] {2} 
1126963;1431254332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11221 @ 0.00026432 = 2.9659 BTC [-]
1126964;1431255195;davout;running the experimental armv5 binary doesn't work either, with same error, on the buildroot-2015.02 kernel
1126965;1431255202;davout;however, mounting the ext2 partition works
1126966;1431255918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105301 @ 0.0002644 = 27.8416 BTC [+] {3} 
1126967;1431258541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44923 @ 0.0002597 = 11.6665 BTC [-]
1126968;1431262018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00026475 = 2.8328 BTC [+]
1126969;1431262156;funkenstein_;http://www.theonion.com/article/god-realizes-he-forgot-put-souls-humans-50378
1126970;1431262157;assbot;God Realizes He Forgot To Put Souls In Humans - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1F70ZUC )
1126971;1431269948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40589 @ 0.00026141 = 10.6104 BTC [-]
1126972;1431271537;jurov;funkenstein_: more like He forgot to debug such an optional feature and resorted to monkey-patching
1126973;1431271593;jurov;and it's prolly where that term comes from
1126974;1431271774;Naphex;Khipus, the ancient blockchains. Had much of the security model as well
1126975;1431271780;Naphex;http://www.ancientscripts.com/quipu.html
1126976;1431271781;assbot;Ancient Scripts: Quipu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzTLYS )
1126977;1431271860;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYq-VtyAd2s
1126978;1431271861;assbot;The Inca Quipu - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzTXHA )
1126979;1431271907;jurov;stahp! ancient mystery is non-renewable resource! http://www.ancientscripts.com/quipu.html
1126980;1431271908;assbot;Ancient Scripts: Quipu ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzU2uO )
1126981;1431271915;jurov;http://oglaf.com/fogofmeat/ << i mean this
1126982;1431271916;assbot;the Fog of Meat ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzU31Y )
1126983;1431271929;Naphex;hehe, might not be the best source
1126984;1431275299;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Header image now 300kb not 2mb
1126985;1431275801;scoopbot_revived;Austin Powers : International Man of Mystery http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/austin-powers-international-man-of-mystery/
1126986;1431275951;jurov; /msg williamdunne yea got the stego data alright
1126987;1431275954;jurov;oops
1126988;1431276109;williamdunne;jurov: eh?
1126989;1431276205;jurov;kakobrekla: pls remove the last 3 lines
1126990;1431276297;jurov;(just trolling you)
1126991;1431276574;punkman;lol http://imgur.com/ost0xs5
1126992;1431276575;assbot;                                            Code Red Dead Ahead: historical chart of average blocksize and network-imposed blocksize limits - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzMxpB )
1126993;1431277247;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126958 << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs.
1126994;1431277247;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 09:59:48; davout: "/bin/sh: ./bitcoind-armv5-traditional_b8eec4fa118ba1deefa35af38fe58ae160ec22f4: not found"
1126995;1431277271;asciilifeform;the uniquely idiotic error message, 'not found', refers to glibc and its turds (libnss etc)
1126996;1431277424;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126936 << one of the nice things about having the source, regardless of how idiotic the dev process which produced it, is cutting away the crud. which you can do with coreboot, just as with bitcoind etc.
1126997;1431277424;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 07:09:51; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from their "download" page. http://www.coreboot.org/ click download
1126998;1431277479;asciilifeform;so, for instance, if you -never- run winblows, you can nix -all- of classical x86 bios-compatibility turd
1126999;1431277492;asciilifeform;can even stuff your favourite kernel in the resulting cavity.
1127000;1431277525;asciilifeform;and boot directly to it. you then will have guaranteed function for all of your disks, other peripherals, etc. which worked under that linux kernel
1127001;1431277561;asciilifeform;it no longer matters if the idiot bios your motherboard vendor supplied understands what a flash stick, etc. is.
1127002;1431277706;decimation;asciilifeform: I wish there were a curated release of coreboot
1127003;1431277743;asciilifeform;decimation: i'd consider doing this, but doubt there is any serious demand
1127004;1431277745;decimation;reading through some of the 'hardware support' pages, it seems like getting to boot is rarely straightforward
1127005;1431277759;asciilifeform;decimation: ultra-straightforward on non-retarded hardware
1127006;1431277762;asciilifeform;however, this means amd.
1127007;1431277769;decimation;yeah, everything else is iffy
1127008;1431277769;asciilifeform;which is in the process of going extinct
1127009;1431277787;decimation;interestingly it appears that google uses it for their chromebooks
1127010;1431277804;asciilifeform;google gets nonpublic info from chip vendors and then pisses all over gpl.
1127011;1431277826;decimation;yeah, like most hardware vendors
1127012;1431277842;decimation;actually I kinda wonder what the 'inside story' is in the bios business
1127013;1431277850;asciilifeform;several years ago, i bought the arm chipset chromebook and tried in vain, for ages, to install gentoo on it
1127014;1431277855;asciilifeform;thing is, they shipped it with gentoo
1127015;1431277862;decimation;why do hardware vendors continually purchase the same american microtrends turds?
1127016;1431277863;asciilifeform;but with a mountain of closed turds to make the hardware go.
1127017;1431277890;asciilifeform;decimation: because there are not so many firms with access to intel initialization turds
1127018;1431277919;asciilifeform;phun phact: virtually everything we publicly know re: how an intel cpu inits comes from the great ami bios source leaks
1127019;1431277928;asciilifeform;(one in '98, and another more recent one)
1127020;1431277949;decimation;wow, I"ve never tried to boot intel myself
1127021;1431277952;asciilifeform;x86 simply desperately must die.
1127022;1431277963;decimation;I always figured the instructions were in a databook
1127023;1431277970;asciilifeform;i will go on record as objecting to anything which extends its life
1127024;1431277986;asciilifeform;thing is, when it dies, arm will become the new x86.
1127025;1431277987;decimation;yeah but the world seems to be adopting the arm turd instead
1127026;1431277990;decimation;heh
1127027;1431278003;asciilifeform;it will be in some ways a much deeper and more fetid pit.
1127028;1431278016;decimation;yeah, arm has like 20 versions
1127029;1431278026;decimation;and they seem to have no issue with pumping out more
1127030;1431278036;asciilifeform;that's not even the boojum here
1127031;1431278058;asciilifeform;rather, it is that arm is implemented by 'licensees' who get an opaque turd
1127032;1431278066;asciilifeform;which turns into a chip with minimal human intervention
1127033;1431278091;decimation;how does that work? wouldn't they need to integrate with the fab design tools?
1127034;1431278100;asciilifeform;decimation: everyone uses same tools
1127035;1431278136;decimation;so you get a 'partially compiled' black box turd?  it's amazing hardware vendors put up with that kind of shit
1127036;1431278136;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1127037;1431278148;asciilifeform;afaik there are -no- independent (as in, based on published documents) reimplementations of arm in production today.
1127038;1431278159;decimation;no, not in production
1127039;1431278160;asciilifeform;decimation: this is absolute SOP among hardware makers
1127040;1431278191;asciilifeform;virtually everything that is produced today is simply a 'model airplane' glued from opaque libraryturds licensed from N vendors
1127041;1431278267;decimation;yeah that's depressing as hell
1127042;1431278321;decimation;it's clear that man's ability to manufacture small transistors has outstripped his ability to properly design with them
1127043;1431278532;asciilifeform;as far as usg is concerned, this kind of design -is- proper
1127044;1431278535;asciilifeform;the only proper.
1127045;1431278560;asciilifeform;as for the free world, it has -not one chip fab- to its name
1127046;1431278620;asciilifeform;(no, cn, ru, etc. are not 'free world' in this sense, they run winblows toolchains and operate overwhelmingly on designs cribbed wholesale without any attempt whatsoever to fit in any head)
1127047;1431278648;asciilifeform;cn produces -licensed- arm. this tells you what you need to know about their process.
1127048;1431278668;asciilifeform;even their 'loongson' mips, in latest versions, appears to use the official licensed mips corp. designs.
1127049;1431278726;asciilifeform;cn appears to have no traces whatsoever of any indigenous tradition of cpu design. and they understand what kind of investment would be involved in changing this, and behave perfectly logically from economic point of view, and say 'fuck that'
1127050;1431278763;asciilifeform;ru has indigenous cpu design tradition, and many of the folks who were at it prior to the great 'warez shift' of mid-'70s, when compatibility with western cpus was mandated from above - are still alive
1127051;1431278775;asciilifeform;but ru is not interested in exporting cpu.
1127052;1431278797;asciilifeform;nor are their fabs (last i checked) toolchain-clean in terms of 100% usg-free.
1127053;1431278827;decimation;one wonders why these other countries don't perceive this as a 'sovereignty' issue
1127054;1431278832;asciilifeform;they do
1127055;1431278841;asciilifeform;but this is the ultimate lemon market
1127056;1431278864;decimation;Maybe cn figures they can use us warez until they grow rich enough to toss a few coin toward this concept
1127057;1431278865;asciilifeform;in -every- case, the sc4mz0rz who are willing to use 'a little bit' of usg toolchain, overwhelmingly win on cost and speed
1127058;1431278931;asciilifeform;hence why ru missile controllers are built using ancient soviet arch, yes, but the fab is winblows-controlled and the design turns from circuit to mask also in winblows
1127059;1431278932;decimation;still, merely making an 'open fpga' would be a big improvement
1127060;1431278948;asciilifeform;making so much as an open full-adder would be an astonishing feat
1127061;1431278970;asciilifeform;which is why i suspect we'll be crafting discrete logic cpu again before this is all over.
1127062;1431278976;decimation;heh yeah
1127063;1431279053;decimation;if one had a working implementation of a silicon cpu (like msp430), wouldn't you be able to test the silicon version against an fpga simulator?
1127064;1431279063;asciilifeform;no.
1127065;1431279085;asciilifeform;for one thing, what does it even mean to test one thing against another ?
1127066;1431279111;asciilifeform;for another, fpga and the genuine article can never be comparable on account of ruinous delays in the latter
1127067;1431279191;decimation;well, run software and perform a timing analysis
1127068;1431279196;decimation;and also voltage
1127069;1431279234;decimation;but I agree, it would be impossible to make clock-exact version of a silicon cpu without heavy support from the manufacturer
1127070;1431279260;asciilifeform;there is a more fundamental problem here, which i think we discussed in at least one old thread
1127071;1431279273;asciilifeform;which is, the basic idea of integrated circuit, as we know it, is inherently centralizing
1127072;1431279277;asciilifeform;and i dare say, usg-izing.
1127073;1431279290;decimation;yeah, one can insert trapdoor nasties too
1127074;1431279302;asciilifeform;that's not even half of it
1127075;1431279326;asciilifeform;just the 'palace economy' you inherently get, from a chip fab costing what it costs
1127076;1431279339;asciilifeform;the nasties etc. flow from this
1127077;1431279341;asciilifeform;not vice-versa
1127078;1431279354;asciilifeform;integrated circuit is an inherently 'statal' institution.
1127079;1431279362;asciilifeform;like manned space travel.
1127080;1431279376;asciilifeform;(using presently-known tech, which relies on newton's 3rd law)
1127081;1431279465;ben_vulpes;b-b-b-but em drive!
1127082;1431279542;decimation;em drive uses newton's third law too
1127083;1431279569;decimation;asciilifeform: the only solution is to make silicon fabs cost about 100-1000x less
1127084;1431279599;asciilifeform;rather like saying 'only solution would be space vehicles which cost 1000x less'
1127085;1431279604;asciilifeform;no one has the faintest idea - how.
1127086;1431279626;decimation;actually making rocket launches cheaper is easy in comparison
1127087;1431279638;asciilifeform;considerably.
1127088;1431279654;asciilifeform;(much of the cost of a launch is political, largely bakshish)
1127089;1431279680;decimation;yeah I think I linked herr walker's rant about how the nazis were only paying about $20k per v-2 launch
1127090;1431279704;decimation;there's no reason why leo need be much more expensive than that
1127091;1431279717;decimation;at any rate, less than $1 mil for small payloads
1127092;1431279809;asciilifeform;one of the reasons why si fab costs what it does is that many of the necessary components are made in 2, 3, locations globally
1127093;1431279815;asciilifeform;and made, essentially, to order
1127094;1431279841;decimation;you mean things like the euv light source, etc?
1127095;1431279860;asciilifeform;virtually any item you'd care to name
1127096;1431279908;asciilifeform;(and do we consider refining the si to be part of fab process? my understanding is that it is usually done by separate firm, devoted to it. and how many are there of these ?)
1127097;1431279915;asciilifeform;how many makers of the equipment ?
1127098;1431279917;decimation;yes, and most of the components require constant expert handholding & maintenance
1127099;1431279944;asciilifeform;dig down, and you will find that most of integrated circuit industry on planet3 ultimately lives and dies by the work of a handful of people.
1127100;1431279958;decimation;this is why it looked rational for ibm to pay to take this business off their hands
1127101;1431279962;asciilifeform;aha.
1127102;1431279975;asciilifeform;and that cn, ru silicon sovereignty is a sham of the most laughable kind.
1127103;1431279992;asciilifeform;su - had it
1127104;1431280014;asciilifeform;until they decided, again economically entirely rationally, that it costs far too much for no tangible gain
1127105;1431280023;asciilifeform;shortly after they began to act 'rationally' su was no more
1127106;1431280029;asciilifeform;because sovereignty is not a 'rational' thing
1127107;1431280031;asciilifeform;and cannot be
1127108;1431280046;decimation;no, it always looks like a loser on a purely accounting basis
1127109;1431280046;asciilifeform;the 'economically rational' thing to do, is, invariably, to suck cock of highest bidder.
1127110;1431280058;asciilifeform;what's the ROI on a tank? sub? nuke?
1127111;1431280059;ben_vulpes;reminds me of apple maintaining os x for the intel arch
1127112;1431280094;decimation;but on the flip side you can print scrip and force your subjects to honor it
1127113;1431280237;decimation;!up funkenstein_
1127114;1431280350;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-11-2014#933192 << old thread which relates.
1127115;1431280350;assbot;Logged on 24-11-2014 22:59:29; asciilifeform: without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.
1127116;1431280365;jurov;if they did not act 'rationally' su would survive?
1127117;1431280426;funkenstein_;thanks, perhaps like the saturn rocket, there will come a day when nobody knows how to build one
1127118;1431280435;asciilifeform;jurov: quite possibly
1127119;1431280440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61771 @ 0.00026065 = 16.1006 BTC [-] {2} 
1127120;1431280456;asciilifeform;jurov: ultimately, survival is not a rational act, if you think about it. eating a bullet is always 'cheaper'
1127121;1431280510;jurov;how caould it survive with dwindling population?
1127122;1431280538;jurov;that increasingly sees whole exercise as utterly pointless?
1127123;1431280559;asciilifeform;that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational'
1127124;1431280567;asciilifeform;and the criteria became 'which kingdom can make cheaper jeans'
1127125;1431280592;asciilifeform;when it was, instead, 'who has longest sovereignty cock' - folks willingly died for the glory of $empire, yes
1127126;1431280595;asciilifeform;british, or su, or usg
1127127;1431280597;asciilifeform;or rome
1127128;1431280600;asciilifeform;same dynamic.
1127129;1431280622;asciilifeform;!s nobody dies for hotel
1127130;1431280622;assbot;0 results for 'nobody dies for hotel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nobody+dies+for+hotel
1127131;1431280717;jurov;how it can be done when everyone has atomic weapons?
1127132;1431280759;jurov;only by local conflicts and attrition
1127133;1431280764;jurov;su was bad at that
1127134;1431280830;jurov;usg bad,too but more fuel
1127135;1431281150;ben_vulpes;morning, mike_c
1127136;1431281411;ben_vulpes;IT BEGINS
1127137;1431281471;*;jurov stares towards fox kennel
1127138;1431281501;mircea_popescu;you have a fox kennel ?
1127139;1431281518;jurov;yea, ben_vulpes lives there
1127140;1431281542;mircea_popescu;lol
1127141;1431281725;mike_c;good afternoon ben.
1127142;1431281775;mircea_popescu;what bengins!
1127143;1431281904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129150 @ 0.00026332 = 34.0078 BTC [+] {3} 
1127144;1431282193;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126993 <<< i see
1127145;1431282193;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:00:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126958 << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs.
1127146;1431282335;ben_vulpes;hyu
1127147;1431282352;davout;from what i grasped, the issue is that glibc is pulling some random bits in, dynamically
1127148;1431282359;ben_vulpes;i'm beigneting
1127149;1431282410;davout;and i was confused because i didn't remember that danielpbarron's pogo runs a debian thing, hence able to run bitcoind
1127150;1431282418;mircea_popescu;davec originally thought it was libnss meanwhile found a "retarded languages should be supported too" thing
1127151;1431282478;jurov;ben_vulpes are you alright?
1127152;1431282489;danielpbarron;davout, Arch. i couldn't get it to run on debian
1127153;1431282495;davout;he's beigneting, he would be!
1127154;1431282514;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126849 << the incredible smarm of us coppers.
1127155;1431282514;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 00:00:19; pete_dushenski: Fast fwd to yesterday. I wasn't home yet from work, but my wife tells me local LE showed up and wanted to have a "chat". Asked if I or anone had ever ordered anything illicit in the mail. Said "nobody's in trouble, we're just following up on something that might be nothing"."
1127156;1431282525;mircea_popescu;"nobody's in trouble" ? what are you, the kindergarten supervisor ?
1127157;1431282528;davout;jurov: https://www.google.fr/search?q=beignet&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=VKNPVeLIDsGrUZyogNgP&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1397&bih=753
1127158;1431282529;assbot;beignet - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1KygRiU )
1127159;1431282560;jurov;don't feed the animals!
1127160;1431282585;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126960 << ruby hipster that despises apple ?! what's this world shattered into!
1127161;1431282585;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 10:11:00; davout: oh and ben_vulpes, by 'real computer' I mean any non-Apple machine, that'll always be a good improvememnt :D
1127162;1431282586;davout;danielpbarron: right
1127163;1431282604;davout;mircea_popescu: i iz no hipster
1127164;1431282620;davout;mircea_popescu: you're the one with the trendy beard
1127165;1431282620;mircea_popescu;you're french!
1127166;1431282630;mircea_popescu;and you got wild hair! wtf no hipster are you talking about!
1127167;1431282654;mircea_popescu;being french -automatically-> hipster. ask anyone in socal.
1127168;1431282656;davout;mircea_popescu: hipsters have carefully crafted wild hair, mine's natural
1127169;1431282702;jurov;you're natural hipster
1127170;1431282730;davout;fuck you all, i'm leaving, going back to brewing my own beer and growing vegetables on my balcony
1127171;1431282759;mircea_popescu;hahaha. cherry tomatoes ?
1127172;1431282769;mircea_popescu;hanbot did that iirc.
1127173;1431282780;davout;cherry tomatoes... lol.
1127174;1431282792;davout;i'm growing roquette, mind you
1127175;1431282846;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126984 << cartman's woodland creatures love you for it.
1127176;1431282846;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 16:28:19; williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Header image now 300kb not 2mb
1127177;1431282863;mircea_popescu;how about going the full step and making it like 30k
1127178;1431282897;jurov;or straight back to vectors. 3k then
1127179;1431282982;fluffypony;davout: when I was in the USA I wanted to buy some for a pasta sauce I was making, took me 25 minutes at Whole Foods to figure out that they call it "arugula"
1127180;1431282993;mircea_popescu;"Civilization in the New World has very deep and ancient roots." yeah, and like any case of micropenis, we gotta go digging for it VEEERY carefully.
1127181;1431283192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126991 << myeah. except the "code red" is not what bitcointalk forum derps imagine it is. the code red is, has been for the entire history and likely will remain at least for a while simpler stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126993
1127182;1431283192;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 16:49:34; punkman: lol http://imgur.com/ost0xs5
1127183;1431283192;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:00:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126958 << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs.
1127184;1431283196;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: what d'yall call it?
1127185;1431283244;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's called rucola when i had it in my salmon sandwiches at that cafe
1127186;1431283256;ben_vulpes;mhm
1127187;1431283257;mircea_popescu;pretty much called rucola throughout europe, except for france.
1127188;1431283263;ben_vulpes;this is true in sa as well?
1127189;1431283269;mircea_popescu;well yes
1127190;1431283278;mircea_popescu;thing's latin name's eruca.
1127191;1431283306;mircea_popescu;(italian fashion, somehow teh usians got crazy over it at some point. like a self-flagellation tiramisu)
1127192;1431283360;ben_vulpes;self-flagellation? rucola's delicious!
1127193;1431283379;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG
1127194;1431283381;mircea_popescu;but it's bitter/
1127195;1431283391;mircea_popescu;williamdunne you drew that ?
1127196;1431283399;williamdunne;Nope
1127197;1431283403;williamdunne;Its from Iron Giant
1127198;1431283404;davout;mircea_popescu: "my salmon sandwiches at that cafe" <<< and i'm the hipster?!
1127199;1431283406;williamdunne;But I will draw it
1127200;1431283429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53733 @ 0.00026476 = 14.2263 BTC [+] {2} 
1127201;1431283433;jurov;if rucola's bitter, then it's stale
1127202;1431283442;mircea_popescu;davout hey, not my fault they know how to make a salmon and parmezan sammich.
1127203;1431283445;ben_vulpes;<williamdunne> mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG << you know you don't *have* to do everything he says
1127204;1431283467;*;mircea_popescu has kicked ben_vulpes for treason and undermining the national economy
1127205;1431283467;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: It was already intended, so I could hide some lego in the image
1127206;1431283488;ben_vulpes;at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head"
1127207;1431283492;jurov;yeah williamdunne is lost caouse,like, i have to explain to him i'm trolling him.
1127208;1431283517;jurov;did you get the steg joke at last?
1127209;1431283531;mircea_popescu;you make stag jokes ?
1127210;1431283536;mircea_popescu;jurov, i never!
1127211;1431283537;ben_vulpes;i think jurov has a crush
1127212;1431283542;williamdunne;I didn't tbh :/
1127213;1431283564;fluffypony;ben_vulpes: ROCKET
1127214;1431283565;fluffypony;I was like "bro it's a herb, it's rocket. come now."
1127215;1431283565;mircea_popescu;steganography is hiding messages inside images. and a crush is when a guy wants to put his wee wee in your... well...
1127216;1431283566;fluffypony;and they were like "SORRY SIR, THE HOBBY STORE IS DOWN THE ROAD"
1127217;1431283578;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127206 >> obligatory >> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zjOwQ0RJY4s/T5k2O8UZ1AI/AAAAAAAACNg/koj4pYe6_YQ/s1600/Vermin_Supreme.png
1127218;1431283578;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 18:44:48; ben_vulpes: at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head"
1127219;1431283579;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FXFXsm )
1127220;1431283602;jurov;yea, i was implying the image was so big cuz you have hidden sth there
1127221;1431283613;williamdunne;Ah
1127222;1431283633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either that or http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg
1127223;1431283634;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FXG4Eg )
1127224;1431283677;ben_vulpes;"my name is vermin/my name is vermin/vermin supreme supreme supreme/and you can vote/for me (if you want to)"...
1127225;1431283695;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I'm really curious as to what decisions led to that photo
1127226;1431283709;ben_vulpes;old counterscam lulz williamdunne
1127227;1431283730;davout;the "network-imposed oppression chart" is pretty misleading
1127228;1431283751;mircea_popescu;williamdunne nigeria was originally a booming oil economy, attracted a lot of people. then it went stale, and for a while throughout the 90s there was a large community of desperate, socially marginal young men, who took to playing internet con games. eventually there was some reaction in the shape of, "con the nigerians".
1127229;1431283756;mircea_popescu;that pic among others is the result.
1127230;1431283770;davout;sure, there are going to be problems for you if the transactions keep growing linearly like that, oh wait, it's a log scale, straight lines are actually exponentials
1127231;1431283776;williamdunne;ah, countering the 419
1127232;1431283777;williamdunne;gotcha
1127233;1431283811;mircea_popescu;davout the amount of herd-herding that the usg has been putting into this is so incredibly useful because a) it really can't do anything but! b) it really does expose the tools.
1127234;1431283872;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do they think addressing themselves to a mathematically illiterate crowd is a valid avenue is entirely beyond my comprehension.
1127235;1431283907;davout;mircea_popescu: because everybody understands extrapolating with straight lines
1127236;1431283909;mircea_popescu;course, it's how that country is run, it's how the derps "in charge" got into office, it's the only thing they're tooled to do, and so to the man carrying a bad graph and some banal word tricks...
1127237;1431283922;mircea_popescu;davout everyone that can't be in bitcoin, yes.
1127238;1431283941;davout;yup
1127239;1431283946;mircea_popescu;maybe they imagine that their "rape earth sciences" program worked, and maybe they imagine it worked because it was persuasive,
1127240;1431283954;mircea_popescu;rather than because those people actually need their money.
1127241;1431283970;davout;not sure i follow the "rape earth sciences"
1127242;1431283981;mircea_popescu;"global warming".
1127243;1431283991;mircea_popescu;you know, where the usg actually gained the ability to make bad graphs
1127244;1431283991;danielpbarron;re: vermin supreme, I met the guy -> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bre5M-MIMAEVoHf.jpg
1127245;1431283992;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KykuFs )
1127246;1431283993;ben_vulpes;"earth rape sciences"
1127247;1431284004;mircea_popescu;before that it was just linguistic tricks.
1127248;1431284016;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: AWESOME
1127249;1431284024;mircea_popescu;if you care about anthropology, it's a great thing to watch, how the beast acquires skills. that was the major breakthrough there.
1127250;1431284057;mircea_popescu;even before-r than that, in the 80s, all the left had was "accuse the other of bad things loudly and repeatedly. just that".
1127251;1431284077;mircea_popescu;it progressed slightly from that, to word redefinitions in the 90s, and so on.
1127252;1431284088;mircea_popescu; /end crash course.
1127253;1431284089;ben_vulpes;i think earth rape sciences are great! they're expensive and produce absolutely nothing.
1127254;1431284092;mircea_popescu;woot danielpbarron should be on your blog!
1127255;1431284096;hanbot;danielpbarron: wtf is a "porcupine freedom festival"?!
1127256;1431284109;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you're familiar with the supreme vermin?
1127257;1431284116;mircea_popescu;yes.
1127258;1431284125;davout;interesting
1127259;1431284137;trinque;http://porcfest.com/ << says teh googles
1127260;1431284138;assbot;PorcFest - The 12th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival PorcFest ... ( http://bit.ly/1KykSUr )
1127261;1431284146;mircea_popescu;hanbot something to do with cascadia!
1127262;1431284164;trinque;actually "free state project" in New Hampshire
1127263;1431284174;ben_vulpes;i need an emoji for when i want to raise an eyebrow at you mircea_popescu
1127264;1431284181;trinque;the idea was you pack the state with enough gun-toting libertarians and things get better-ish
1127265;1431284183;mircea_popescu;:D
1127266;1431284207;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, have a gifoji for the word "fuck". http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c08fc20b88baf11e2554f1a4a94d346/tumblr_myakvhGPdA1s9nnudo1_400.gif
1127267;1431284210;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kyl3z6 )
1127268;1431284233;hanbot;oic. i was kinda hoping for porcupine interpretive dance or smthg ;/
1127269;1431284321;trinque;danielpbarron: are you in NH?
1127270;1431284351;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126996 << you must live in a world very different than mine, where time's not linear or something.
1127271;1431284351;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:03:44; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126936 << one of the nice things about having the source, regardless of how idiotic the dev process which produced it, is cutting away the crud. which you can do with coreboot, just as with bitcoind etc.
1127272;1431284380;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough.
1127273;1431284440;hanbot;mircea_popescu is that the philosophy you apply to rewriting poems etc?
1127274;1431284453;mircea_popescu;yes, actually.
1127275;1431284480;mircea_popescu;auden wasn't bad, just not good enough. runcible doom wasn't bad, just not good enough
1127276;1431284593;mircea_popescu;"It�s hard to think of another movie since then that�s been so quotable, so memorable, so widely watched, and has even aged as well as it has." << except star wars, star trek, most of manga...
1127277;1431284597;mircea_popescu;weirdo geeks be weirdo.
1127278;1431285067;mircea_popescu;"TV propogandist and etatist shill John Oliver"
1127279;1431285074;mircea_popescu;not bad. popogandist!
1127280;1431285092;mircea_popescu;like a sort of nonviolence proponent that takes it up the pooper.
1127281;1431285122;jurov;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR davout, no liquidity since yest
1127282;1431285196;mircea_popescu;jurov i see a trickle ?
1127283;1431285221;davout;ah, i'll need to check on that
1127284;1431285233;jurov;there were orders of 400 or so before
1127285;1431285245;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127003 << there is going to be, eventually, yes. from us. in the usual manner.
1127286;1431285245;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:09:03; asciilifeform: decimation: i'd consider doing this, but doubt there is any serious demand
1127287;1431285404;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127013 << works on his machine.
1127288;1431285404;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:10:50; asciilifeform: several years ago, i bought the arm chipset chromebook and tried in vain, for ages, to install gentoo on it
1127289;1431285431;williamdunne;jurov: The SVG is 900kb, lol
1127290;1431285485;davout;jurov: blergh, my bot is apparently stuck, doesn't feel like starting up, i'll need to access the physical machine, which will happen in the next 24h
1127291;1431285539;jurov;wow. you're running mpex bot directly on the iron?
1127292;1431285556;davout;jurov: OS's are for hipsters
1127293;1431285559;Azelphur;(07:31:47) mircea_popescu: !rate azelphur 1  Not seen for a while now.
1127294;1431285561;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: missing me? :P
1127295;1431285583;mircea_popescu;somewhat lol. how goes ?
1127296;1431285597;mircea_popescu;jurov he takes the "rails" bit literally.
1127297;1431285597;Azelphur;Good, buried in work mostly, still working for Ragnar :)
1127298;1431285597;davout;jurov: actually, for some reason it doesn't like being run in a screen session
1127299;1431285622;ben_vulpes;pahaibgroqeuthg89pqu34ini3q4uhlte
1127300;1431285625;jurov;using gpg 2.x perchance?
1127301;1431285625;Azelphur;Actually working on electrum atm that said, it hates me because I'm British so I'm having to patch it
1127302;1431285627;ben_vulpes;screen session for mpex bot
1127303;1431285633;ben_vulpes;my tiny brain is blowed
1127304;1431285667;mircea_popescu;Azelphur aha. well, it's an activity thing.
1127305;1431285672;davout;jurov: no
1127306;1431285686;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: yea, I'm not that active in this channel any more since I don't really hold any assets beyond bitcoin itself
1127307;1431285691;davout;ben_vulpes: wai
1127308;1431285706;jurov;yea, i use tmux likewise
1127309;1431285735;davout;and, isn't it "blown" ? :D
1127310;1431285754;ben_vulpes;i mean i don't know anything about keeping software up but like...runit? or something?
1127311;1431285758;jurov;and gpg2 does not like when /dev/$stdin is not owned by current user
1127312;1431285774;jurov;ben_vulpes: what would you do with passphrase?
1127313;1431285776;ben_vulpes;or is this people trying to imitate the lispy "jack into running proc" thing with tmux/screen/mosh etc
1127314;1431285791;ben_vulpes;jurov: aha
1127315;1431285814;*;ben_vulpes goes for a walk
1127316;1431285815;davout;ben_vulpes: yeah i guess i should, it just doesn't fail often enough for me to care
1127317;1431286572;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127045 << liek hell it doesn't.
1127318;1431286572;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:22:40; asciilifeform: as for the free world, it has -not one chip fab- to its name
1127319;1431286591;mircea_popescu;looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915.
1127320;1431286604;mircea_popescu;according to themselves, cca 1935, yes, they did.
1127321;1431286766;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127054 << no they don't. nobody, including the chinese, including putin, has any fucking idea what this even is, because they lack both the intellectual sophistication to comprehend what matters in the world and go seek the signs, and the power to actually have good advisors that do.
1127322;1431286766;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:27:12; asciilifeform: they do
1127323;1431286785;mircea_popescu;the pretend-sovereigns are really not that good. that's all.
1127324;1431286995;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127058 << the funniest thing in this line to me is, argentina, which is way up there in the top of "ra ra ra patria si buitres no, ra ra ra" sovereignity derpage. here's where i laughed at them for using windows, and them HATING ME FOR IT!!11 http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2g00cw/views_from_argentina_pe_trilema_un_blog_de_mircea/
1127325;1431286995;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:28:51; asciilifeform: hence why ru missile controllers are built using ancient soviet arch, yes, but the fab is winblows-controlled and the design turns from circuit to mask also in winblows
1127326;1431286996;assbot;Views from Argentina pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. : argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1zQKXOe )
1127327;1431287018;mircea_popescu;it's very funny this, they would rather want "sovereignity on windows" than "independence from windows".
1127328;1431287274;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127272 << but you are. when running closed-source idiot winblows-designed biosen which can't even embed kernel
1127329;1431287274;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 18:59:40; mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough.
1127330;1431287290;asciilifeform;the idiocy of cpp bitcoind is not an excuse to use 'liberty dollar' etc.
1127331;1431287314;mircea_popescu;myeah. this is true.
1127332;1431287330;mircea_popescu;i cope with it solipsistically, which is to say, "until it gets in my way it doesn't exist. once it does, ima burn it"
1127333;1431287378;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127075 << let us examine this claim. it is a claim worth examining.
1127334;1431287378;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:35:26; asciilifeform: just the 'palace economy' you inherently get, from a chip fab costing what it costs
1127335;1431287436;mircea_popescu;so, what's a fab cost ? like 10bn or so, say ? less, but anyway. what's the current print rate ? 10x that A MONTH or so ? at least as far as documented (most monetary expansion happens in the dark anyway, it was recently rechristened as "big bank fraud" temporarily, but it is not nor ever was that - most monetary expansion is regulated by the banks)
1127336;1431287448;mircea_popescu;does this then mean that the us generates 10 more fabs each month ? no.
1127337;1431287470;mircea_popescu;does it mean they could ? no, it does not. the proposition is of the kind of "apple shares could buy all of russia". no, they COULD NOT.
1127338;1431287477;mircea_popescu;so then... what exactly does a fab cost ?
1127339;1431287498;mircea_popescu;and moreover, once la serenissima expands - A LITTLE (in comparative tersm) - what's to say it won't be able to afford this ?
1127340;1431287503;mircea_popescu;most of the cost is not the machinery.
1127341;1431287505;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very glad you asked. because this is 'teachable moment'
1127342;1431287516;asciilifeform;the 'fab costs $1B' is merely a -symptom- of the real problem
1127343;1431287526;asciilifeform;it costs $1B because there are six people who can honcho a fab
1127344;1431287530;asciilifeform;and so they can charge $B.
1127345;1431287533;mircea_popescu;what happens once they're all here ?
1127346;1431287538;asciilifeform;then ragnarok
1127347;1431287541;mircea_popescu;so then.
1127348;1431287547;mircea_popescu;it costs nothing - to us.
1127349;1431287550;mircea_popescu;it costs the world to them.
1127350;1431287556;mircea_popescu;the latter part is already implemented.
1127351;1431287559;mircea_popescu;plan proceeds as planned.
1127352;1431287574;asciilifeform;except they'll be here shortly after 'here' can even afford to feed the secretary catgurl.
1127353;1431287574;mircea_popescu;"looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915."
1127354;1431287596;mircea_popescu;this is not actually true. we could, she didn't want to.
1127355;1431287609;mircea_popescu;for that matter, she was saved from ending up in the street by someone here iirc.
1127356;1431287619;asciilifeform;^ hm, i missed this
1127357;1431287625;asciilifeform;in log ?
1127358;1431287633;mircea_popescu;yeah at the time. she needed a house.
1127359;1431287643;mircea_popescu;moreover, this is entirely not related. things don't scale like this.
1127360;1431287651;asciilifeform;don't scale - down ?
1127361;1431287652;asciilifeform;or what
1127362;1431287661;mircea_popescu;"my wife couldn't even give birth to an eggplant, what hope is there she could make me an heir"
1127363;1431287666;asciilifeform;l0l
1127364;1431287671;mircea_popescu;cunts make kids not vegetables, and things don't scale like this.
1127365;1431287817;asciilifeform;anyway, 'they' aren't here because they are over in that other place where work - with however much friction and statal theft in the loop, sure - turns into food, houses, coke, etc. see also http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html
1127366;1431287818;assbot;Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1zQNuYF )
1127367;1431287841;asciilifeform;nobody's about to pour and slice a Si boule as volunteer.
1127368;1431287888;asciilifeform;not because it is difficult, but because the folks who could afford to - are far too busy with selecting the right cocaine and whores for their atomic dirigible voyage.
1127369;1431287888;mircea_popescu;how much coke do you snort ?
1127370;1431287892;asciilifeform;none
1127371;1431287896;mircea_popescu;then the fuck do you care ?
1127372;1431287903;asciilifeform;example.
1127373;1431287906;mircea_popescu;that system works for derp force the 4th. who is, in all terms, worthless.
1127374;1431287910;asciilifeform;i snort a good bit of food, house.
1127375;1431287911;mircea_popescu;exactly. perfect example.
1127376;1431287997;asciilifeform;i very much get the 'we don't want time-servers, clock-watchers' thing
1127377;1431288002;asciilifeform;but soldiers who can't eat - can't fight.
1127378;1431288021;mircea_popescu;the only thing of any import in there was the cocaine.
1127379;1431288034;mircea_popescu;any merely functional live thing will get its own food and shelter. it's the basis of life.
1127380;1431288035;asciilifeform;so far this is handled by ben_vulpes, yours truly, et al being 'stainless steel rats' who scrounge enough fiat in the secular world to run on
1127381;1431288038;mircea_popescu;a pika can do this
1127382;1431288045;asciilifeform;but this principle fails when you're talking about molten Si
1127383;1431288051;asciilifeform;or nukes, etc
1127384;1431288075;mircea_popescu;nukes are, in this discussion, theatrical props. we need them like i need a prince albert.
1127385;1431288125;asciilifeform;this again rides on the assumption that physical concentrations of people are strictly something that enemy does, and never us
1127386;1431288156;asciilifeform;even mongol horde, the ultimate 'towns are for lusers' gold standard - had physical concentration.
1127387;1431288202;mircea_popescu;only on teir net
1127388;1431288203;asciilifeform;if 'serene republic' ever had any costly physical plant whatsoever - then nukes.
1127389;1431288226;mircea_popescu;understand : the "physical concentration" of mongols was EXACTL:Y like what we do here.
1127390;1431288238;mircea_popescu;it was misperceived by their enemies as "actual", which is how their tactics worked.
1127391;1431288243;mircea_popescu;what happened once infantry charged ?
1127392;1431288250;mircea_popescu;their "physical" concentration proved to be virtual.
1127393;1431288252;asciilifeform;dispersed, sure.
1127394;1431288261;asciilifeform;now disperse a chip fab.
1127395;1431288269;mircea_popescu;working on it.
1127396;1431288275;asciilifeform;l0l
1127397;1431288278;mircea_popescu;(not me, you are.)
1127398;1431288314;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127061
1127399;1431288314;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:29:30; asciilifeform: which is why i suspect we'll be crafting discrete logic cpu again before this is all over.
1127400;1431288355;asciilifeform;it is interesting to contemplate what is the most expensive piece of technology involved in this circus
1127401;1431288369;asciilifeform;so far, i've reached a possibly surprising conclusion - it is -time-
1127402;1431288384;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1127403;1431288401;asciilifeform;i can, barely, afford, e.g., electron microscope. or the parts to build an ion beam machine. but what i cannot even remotely afford is the -time-.
1127404;1431288414;mircea_popescu;time is traditionalyl solved by adding people.
1127405;1431288415;asciilifeform;can't speak for other hardware folks here - e.g., ben_vulpes - but suspect they might answer same.
1127406;1431288442;asciilifeform;adding people works for some things, but, apparently, not everything.
1127407;1431288462;mircea_popescu;adfding people works provided i'm in charge of it.
1127408;1431288467;mircea_popescu;people have nfi how to add people.
1127409;1431288501;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i will take your word for this. now unsheath your magic wand and summon a couple of devils to unfrag bitcoind
1127410;1431288507;mircea_popescu;which is unsurprising. for all the dire straights ee, or law, or anything else finds itself in, management is the worst.
1127411;1431288520;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i told you people have nfi how it works :D
1127412;1431288790;asciilifeform;the ultimate failure is that adding people is guaranteed not to work for 'fits in head'.
1127413;1431288800;asciilifeform;this is 100% of my 'unified theory' of computing.
1127414;1431288824;asciilifeform;take, or leave - that is the explanation behind all of the retardation we know as 'computing'
1127415;1431288870;asciilifeform;aka the '9 women in parallel to make baby in 1 month' theorem.
1127416;1431288935;*;asciilifeform out to meatspace for a spell
1127417;1431289447;jurov;there was a fab "tesla piestany" in czechoslovakia able to make 8080 or uart clones
1127418;1431289471;jurov;got bought by motorola, then "on semiconductor"
1127419;1431289489;jurov;and in 2008 closed and moved to the US or wherever
1127420;1431289695;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127250 < I remember watching some derpy 'global warming gonna kill us by 2000' documentary as a kid in the 80's.  I remember feeling cognitive dissonance when I looked outside and saw that the weather was fine
1127421;1431289695;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 18:54:17; mircea_popescu: even before-r than that, in the 80s, all the left had was "accuse the other of bad things loudly and repeatedly. just that".
1127422;1431290467;trinque;climates change; that's what they do
1127423;1431290530;trinque;makes me wonder whether the "climate change" meme exists because people wish humans had that much control over their destiny
1127424;1431290622;mircea_popescu;trinque more like, because the derps are by now persuaded that they do.
1127425;1431290630;trinque;yeah
1127426;1431290648;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not that guaranteed. depends where and how the addition happens.
1127427;1431290667;mircea_popescu;the original unix " small program for small job" is exactly an attempt to turn the foregoing into an engineering rule of thumb
1127428;1431290672;mircea_popescu;and not a bad one atthat
1127429;1431290729;decimation;someone beggin' for a kick?
1127430;1431290744;mircea_popescu;;;seen cryptogoon
1127431;1431290745;gribble;cryptogoon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 29 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <CryptoGoon> thnx
1127432;1431290807;decimation;re: 'fits in head' < in other words the 'mythical man month' more-or-less
1127433;1431290937;decimation;asciilifeform: perhaps part of your problem (re: make ur own fab) is that you are attempting to 'speak with a sword'
1127434;1431290960;decimation;so of course only your time will advance the mission
1127435;1431291043;jurov;no i understood it generally as "anyone's time"
1127436;1431291105;decimation;jurov: but if it were 'anyone's time' than the existing fabs would be kosher?
1127437;1431291138;jurov;but that "anyone" does not see any advantage switching their job for this
1127438;1431291211;jurov;heh, just got this tab open: http://betanews.com/2015/05/09/anonymous-tor-cloud-project-closes-down/
1127439;1431291211;assbot;  Anonymous Tor Cloud project closes down ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0TsBy )
1127440;1431291216;decimation;jurov: yes indeed.  extremely low cost electronic copying has created the tryanny of 'unintentional monopoly', where the first solution that 'works' gets copied to everyone and becomes the defacto standard
1127441;1431291220;jurov;same thing, basically
1127442;1431291229;decimation;it's difficult to think how about how to escape this even in principle
1127443;1431291319;decimation;in the tor cloud case, one cannot simply 'run an ec2 host' for nearly free like one can crib another's c code
1127444;1431291349;jurov;decimation: but you see money is not a problem here?
1127445;1431291367;jurov;there are admins who know how to do it. just.. not interested
1127446;1431291393;jurov;also, there are people who know how to put together 500nm fab, just.. not interested
1127447;1431291412;decimation;admins still need money to pay for bandwidth, servers
1127448;1431291447;decimation;yes, there are those who could re-create the fab design toolchain ascii mentioned, but I suppose it is the case that they couldn't be bothered
1127449;1431291530;jurov;10 ec2 servers + bw can be had for $100/mo, perhaps.
1127450;1431291549;decimation;apparently they are too poor to pay that, and nobody else gave a fuck
1127451;1431291551;jurov;but this installation and patching etc. is what is priceless
1127452;1431291591;decimation;jurov: do you run the standard aws linux distro or do you have a fully custom image?
1127453;1431291605;jurov;tried both
1127454;1431291615;decimation;my understanding is that 'amazon linux' is basically rhel
1127455;1431291626;jurov;no it's centos
1127456;1431291638;decimation;yeah, same difference now, redhat acquired centos
1127457;1431291662;jurov;but debian/ubuntu/suse is supported in the same way
1127458;1431291734;jurov;i can see alf's point that generally, such things are done only as "bigger cock" exercise.
1127459;1431291777;decimation;what, the tor cloud?
1127460;1431291800;jurov;tor cloud, independent fabs, whatever
1127461;1431291844;decimation;yeah, there is something to that.  it does seem like pure market competition will lead to monopoly, and it takes a sovereign to say 'do it this way or hang'
1127462;1431291871;jurov;by the way, mircea_popescu: is BISP okay with tor exit nodes?
1127463;1431291941;decimation;does this mean that pure capitalism tends to fragile oligarchy while government direction of the economy leads to a greater diversity of economic practices?
1127464;1431292111;jurov;if it was that simple
1127465;1431292376;jurov;http://trilema.com/2015/that-scary-thing/ << decimation refer to here, too
1127466;1431292376;assbot;That scary thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0UOfB )
1127467;1431292396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25326 @ 0.00025977 = 6.5789 BTC [-] {2} 
1127468;1431292795;decimation;jurov: yes, that article is related. hopefully someone will figure out a model
1127469;1431293337;mircea_popescu;jurov yes.
1127470;1431293353;mircea_popescu;in other news, i just laid a claim on a SIZABLE deposit of wooly mushroom in eulora.
1127471;1431293366;mircea_popescu;this is the greatest mining find to date !
1127472;1431293378;mircea_popescu;needs like... 6 escherian trestleworks among other things to build the fucking mine.
1127473;1431293397;mircea_popescu;this game i'm the only one that can play is FUCKING GREAT
1127474;1431293401;mircea_popescu;got my pulse up at any rate.
1127475;1431293754;jurov;http://m.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340 rip windows
1127476;1431293755;assbot;Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0VWzK )
1127477;1431293767;jurov;"Moving to a situation in which Windows is a constantly updated service will break out of this cycle, and let Microsoft tinker more with the software to test new features and see how customers like them"
1127478;1431293778;jurov;of course
1127479;1431293793;chetty;<mircea_popescu> this game i'm the only one that can play is FUCKING GREAT//meanie
1127480;1431293800;mircea_popescu;lol
1127481;1431293807;decimation;right, the new model is 'pay us monthly fer yer warez'
1127482;1431293848;trinque;I see no way this permanent umbilical cord to redmond could go wrong.
1127483;1431293974;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: LET ME PLAYYYY
1127484;1431294004;mircea_popescu;lol
1127485;1431294011;mircea_popescu;NO FIRST I MUST eAT ALL THE CAKES
1127486;1431294022;ben_vulpes;but leave caek plz
1127487;1431294050;mircea_popescu;srsly ben, final tests of finality, we're still finding some bugs but its pretty sparse.
1127488;1431294062;mircea_popescu;by now it's mostly "shit, another bug. no, wait a minute, this is the right thing."
1127489;1431294085;mircea_popescu;and there WILL be a juicy event to reward the patience and help people set up themselves. so.
1127490;1431294136;*;ben_vulpes revs crystalspace compiler
1127491;1431294143;mircea_popescu;bonus lulz : dulce the leche is a thing.
1127492;1431294156;mircea_popescu;i need 1, it's in the recipe for the wooly mushroom mine.
1127493;1431294163;chetty;good idea, we have changed the version so you will be needing a new cs
1127494;1431294168;jurov;should i prod the windows guy?
1127495;1431294189;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah.
1127496;1431294250;mircea_popescu;this shit costs 6 * 3161167 + 40 * 45110 + 45 * 1165 + 4 * 8824 + 1 * 8824 + 10 *1484 + 1 * 23877 = 20906664 satoshi to build.
1127497;1431294252;mircea_popescu;better be worth it.
1127498;1431294294;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127269 << nah, I just went for the festival last year and I'm going again this year
1127499;1431294294;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 18:58:41; trinque: danielpbarron: are you in NH?
1127500;1431294511;ben_vulpes;chetty: what's the new version?
1127501;1431294513;ben_vulpes;of cs, that is
1127502;1431294530;trinque;danielpbarron: cool. the free state project's somewhat interesting; I'm doubtful though that the whole 20k will move when that number's "reached"
1127503;1431294547;trinque;and of course, the thing will still be entirely within the influence of the federal govt still
1127504;1431294562;chetty; Rev: 39798
1127505;1431294633;danielpbarron;the project is pretty dumb and so are most of the people involved in it
1127506;1431294653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82800 @ 0.00025623 = 21.2158 BTC [-] {2} 
1127507;1431294666;danielpbarron;i'm going for the poker mostly
1127508;1431294667;jurov;meanwhile, dreams of the hypobitcoinized: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35iry9/what_is_hindering_hyperbitcoinization_and_some/
1127509;1431294667;assbot;What is hindering hyperbitcoinization and some ideas for “the killer app” : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RstUaU )
1127510;1431294673;trinque;danielpbarron: heh! that's a much better reason
1127511;1431294696;danielpbarron;there's a guy from seals that brings his own custom made table
1127512;1431294706;trinque;"Since I have neither money nor knowledge to build something myself"
1127513;1431294710;trinque;jurov: ^ that about covers it
1127514;1431294783;trinque;this reads like some stoner fuck trying to tell me his app ideas, lol
1127515;1431294797;trinque;"dude dude, all you have to do is write this app and we'll be rich"
1127516;1431294840;jurov;imma totally use that word for eulora review, "hyperbitconinized"
1127517;1431294873;jurov;damn, it's even impossible to type correctly
1127518;1431294896;ben_vulpes;"Warning: Can't synchronize with the repository (Couldn't open Subversion repository /home/crystal/scm/crystal: SubversionException: ("Expected FS format between '1' and '3'; found format '4'", 160043))."
1127519;1431294915;trinque;hnnnnnnnnggg
1127520;1431294968;jurov;lol, i realized literally 2 days ago i moved eulora off ssd to free some space
1127521;1431295288;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127174 <<< you never get that sweet then peppery taste with store bought rocket, i doubt many people even know what it really tastes like
1127522;1431295288;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 18:33:12; davout: i'm growing roquette, mind you
1127523;1431295387;mircea_popescu;trinque > jurov: ^ that about covers it <<  seriously, reddit, who cares.
1127524;1431295568;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127231 <<< 419 eater in other words.. how do these kids not know about such things? :\
1127525;1431295568;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 18:49:36; williamdunne: ah, countering the 419
1127526;1431296797;scoopbot_revived;Why did blacks stop caring about respectability and acceptability in USistan ? Because there's none to be had. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/why-did-blacks-stop-caring-about-respectability-and-acceptability-in-usistan-because-theres-none-to-be-had/
1127527;1431296872;chetty;its worse than not caring, black kids are scroned for even trying in school, the get told they are acting too white
1127528;1431296950;mircea_popescu;not sure how actually widespread that is.
1127529;1431297423;trinque;I dunno that it goes beyond "this is what disorganized poverty looks like"
1127530;1431297546;trinque;plenty of useless white hoodlums in the south too
1127531;1431297615;mats;mircea_popescu: are you planning to keep the courts project open?
1127532;1431297626;mircea_popescu;not much longer, no.
1127533;1431297647;mircea_popescu;was kinda wanting to see if anyone wants to go through those, get an independent evaluation in.
1127534;1431297712;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127112 << you can do this only if you're cool, which is to say if you have interesting shit to do.
1127535;1431297712;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:48:14; decimation: but on the flip side you can print scrip and force your subjects to honor it
1127536;1431297746;mircea_popescu;just like you can be the life of the party and command everyone's attention for as long as you're being riveting ; just as long as you can tell women to suck your cock for just as long as it's a juicy cock to suck.
1127537;1431297761;mircea_popescu;just like the us was a thing back when that guy they shot had a mission
1127538;1431297772;mircea_popescu;be it conquer the south or the moon, but a mission, see. something interesting to do.
1127539;1431297789;mircea_popescu;you cant just print scrip because you got a scrip printer. that's not how it works.
1127540;1431299106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00025823 = 25.965 BTC [+]
1127541;1431299318;davout;http://www.coinspeaker.com/2015/05/10/startup-21-inc-wants-to-put-bitcoin-miner-in-toaster-9190/ <<< lulzy
1127542;1431299319;assbot;Startup ’21 Inc’ Wants to Put Bitcoin Miner in Toaster | CoinSpeaker ... ( http://bit.ly/1JABoDe )
1127543;1431299762;mircea_popescu;toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
1127544;1431299820;mircea_popescu;just make a power and internet hook=up so that each tile can in principle power/be powered by and connect/be connected by each of its 4 neighbours.
1127545;1431299834;mircea_popescu;then lay them out, and power/internet one side of the wall.
1127546;1431300871;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127133 <<< i think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons.
1127547;1431300871;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:59:24; jurov: su was bad at that
1127548;1431300911;mircea_popescu;contrary to what is generally propagandized, there isn't a way to use them effectually on the field. the only effectual use for them is in mass media.
1127549;1431300997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103450 @ 0.00025972 = 26.868 BTC [+] {3} 
1127550;1431301790;mircea_popescu;consider the following math : uranium reserves, about 6*10^9 kgs. about 0.1% of this is usable for the purpose. uranium molar mass is ~250 [grams/mol] which means ~ 6*10^9 * 1000/250 * 6*10^23 atoms in total. meanwhile energy output is ~200 MeV per event. your total ideal available energy is thus ~1.44 * 10^32 eV. meanwhile land surface is ~1.50 * 10 ^ 14 sqm. So you get a total of ~10*17 eV per square meter, or a litt
1127551;1431301791;mircea_popescu;le less than a Joule-cent. well done... who cares ?
1127552;1431301798;mircea_popescu;save a few acres, make yourself a cup of tea.
1127553;1431301841;mircea_popescu;(note that i didn't even bother with using the fact that 99.9% of uranium is not more fissile than lead, nor the fact that you will never actually manage to bust up ALL the atoms)
1127554;1431302880;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127123 << probably a good place to hook that old http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ or specifically
1127555;1431302880;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 17:55:59; asciilifeform: that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational'
1127556;1431302880;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8EjCO )
1127557;1431302880;mircea_popescu;This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is
1127558;1431302880;mircea_popescu;essentially the position of the Catholic church, hoping that it may teach people to read and write in such a way that they'll actually continue to take the "Holy Scripture" seriously. Why would they ? They won't, they don't, it's just not how that works.
1127559;1431302899;mircea_popescu;thatr's exactly what it is. the whole thing that made usg work makes us work. it'll make us great long after it buried it.
1127560;1431302905;mircea_popescu;exactly the us-su dynamic.
1127561;1431302932;mircea_popescu;sheeeit i should have linked http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.386 instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now!
1127562;1431302933;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8EopW )
1127563;1431303498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126650 @ 0.00026541 = 33.6142 BTC [+] {3} 
1127564;1431305877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00025548 = 4.3176 BTC [-]
1127565;1431306607;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yo scoop's dead.
1127566;1431306792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195730 @ 0.00025533 = 49.9757 BTC [-] {2} 
1127567;1431307158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101000 @ 0.00025397 = 25.651 BTC [-] {3} 
1127568;1431307452;scoopbot_revived;I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/
1127569;1431307589;ben_vulpes;"people are no longer motivated by appeals to broader, more abstract values, that what motivates them are more narrow, survival-oriented approaches" << http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/resilience-is-the-new-black.html subconsciously, everyone knows what's coming
1127570;1431307590;assbot;Resilience is The New Black | naked capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1bITabO )
1127571;1431308288;decimation;re: uranium < http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_163.shtml < this guy says there are 4.5 bil tons of U in the oceans (4E12 kg)
1127572;1431308288;assbot;Ch 24 Page 163: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bIUgEq )
1127573;1431308384;decimation;so your estimate might be off by about 1000 if you include that.  Also presumably most of the 'heavy hitter' bombs would use heavy water fusion secondaries
1127574;1431308550;decimation;or lithium deuteride rather
1127575;1431308866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00025551 = 14.1808 BTC [+]
1127576;1431309527;ben_vulpes;!up copumpkin
1127577;1431309537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65083 @ 0.00025173 = 16.3833 BTC [-] {3} 
1127578;1431309842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142628 @ 0.00024686 = 35.2091 BTC [-] {6} 
1127579;1431309903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56731 @ 0.00024326 = 13.8004 BTC [-]
1127580;1431309964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29316 @ 0.00024326 = 7.1314 BTC [-]
1127581;1431310818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10470 @ 0.00025551 = 2.6752 BTC [+]
1127582;1431310880;williamdunne;Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
1127583;1431310901;williamdunne;Anyone want to ask him if he thinks we should implement X11ScryptDark++ too?
1127584;1431311440;decimation;hell add on google protocol buffers too
1127585;1431311577;williamdunne;Might as well port the DB to MongoDB while we're at it
1127586;1431311981;mircea_popescu;!up livegnik
1127587;1431312003;mircea_popescu;decimation yes, they are. gl taking it out.
1127588;1431312009;mircea_popescu;in the same sense there's a shitton of gold.
1127589;1431312046;livegnik;Thnx mircea_popescu . I'll be off in 30 minutes or so, and haven't been able to get sirius in here yet. Both pretty busy atm, but sure he'll join us some other time.
1127590;1431312053;mircea_popescu;williamdunne because clearly 1 minute blocks are so helpful to ltc it already tookover.
1127591;1431312106;mircea_popescu;wtf is with these idiots. don't they realise just how obvious their agenda becomes from all the failures ? "we gotta fuck up bitcoin. o, i know, let's make the blocks larger. wait, mp said no. i know, make the timing shorter. one way or another, must destroy the decentralisation!!11"
1127592;1431312116;mircea_popescu;livegnik np.
1127593;1431312125;mircea_popescu;#b-a is eternal.
1127594;1431312134;livegnik;:)
1127595;1431312167;williamdunne;Na thats 2.5 minute blocks, so this is like 2.5 litecoins. And there are double as many litecoins as there are bitcoins so this idea is worth what, 105,000,000 bitcoins?
1127596;1431312179;livegnik;Anything else I might be able to explain about Identifi? I remember that there were some more questions last time after I left.
1127597;1431312191;mircea_popescu;at least.
1127598;1431312203;williamdunne;I think I've been hearing about identifi recently, let me check I'm on about the right thing one sec
1127599;1431312209;livegnik;Sure thing.
1127600;1431312262;livegnik;http://identifi.org is our not-up-to-date website. The proto-type of what a front end *could* look like can be found on http://identi.fi/. The proto-type of the back-end can be found here: https://github.com/identifi/identifi
1127601;1431312263;assbot;Identifi - Address book with ratings ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2ay )
1127602;1431312264;assbot;Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2aP )
1127603;1431312265;assbot;identifi/identifi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2rj )
1127604;1431312265;williamdunne;Ah okay, not what I was hearing about. Still interested tho so give me a sec to read-up again on it
1127605;1431312271;livegnik;Sure thing.
1127606;1431312275;mircea_popescu;decimation anyway, the important point in all of that is the natural insolation on ground is to the degree of 20 MJ/day.
1127607;1431312310;livegnik;williamdunne: Here's a human readable (very summarized) version of what it does: http://unbit.nl/2014/09/16/martti-malmi-on-bitcoin-and-identifi/
1127608;1431312311;assbot;Unbit.nl - Martti Malmi on Bitcoin & Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGraH8 )
1127609;1431312356;livegnik;We don't have a whitepaper yet. Working on it though. It would be much easier to grasp the concept with some details on the data format, database design, network topology, etc.
1127610;1431312393;williamdunne;WhitePapers are overrated
1127611;1431312405;williamdunne;Can I have a link to your profile, I wanna see the rating system?
1127612;1431312422;mircea_popescu;livegnik you'd be much better served getting in the wot than writing white papers. experimentally, nobody reads thoise.
1127613;1431312426;mircea_popescu;especially if they're a pdf.
1127614;1431312519;williamdunne;livegnik: Looks ok I guess, rating system and account system seems pretty 'tarded atm
1127615;1431312521;livegnik;williamdunne: Sure. Just don't stare at the front-end too much, it's only to give you an idea. The real magic happens on the back-end; the daemon.
1127616;1431312522;livegnik;http://identi.fi/id/url/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Ftimoowpie
1127617;1431312524;assbot;Identifi - Tim Pastoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJ1F6K )
1127618;1431312555;williamdunne;Take it back
1127619;1431312559;livegnik;mircea_popescu: I agree. I'm no academic nor coder, so I'm not even gonna give it a shot.
1127620;1431312564;williamdunne;It isn't so tarded, just the search function
1127621;1431312576;livegnik;Yeah, it's an early alpha.
1127622;1431312586;livegnik;It's nothing special, if you'd ask me.
1127623;1431312606;williamdunne;The self-rate things are a bit odd
1127624;1431312619;livegnik;You can do RPC calls on the back-end, basically how you can do it with bitcoind
1127625;1431312639;williamdunne;i.e  IS_OVER_18 YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie
1127626;1431312639;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJ1N6h )
1127627;1431312651;williamdunne; IS_OVER_18 YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie
1127628;1431312652;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGsb27 )
1127629;1431312659;williamdunne; IS_NL_RESIDENT YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie
1127630;1431312659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGseuP )
1127631;1431312667;livegnik;The self-rate thing is verifying identifiers (which are called "connections" there). By verifying an identifier you add said identity + that identifier to your WoT.
1127632;1431312683;livegnik;That's just an example.
1127633;1431312710;livegnik;I could add an identifier like that and get a verifaction from my bank and/or social network that way.
1127634;1431312719;williamdunne;Mmm adding them as rates seems awkward, should be separate. Also gives a false sense of security
1127635;1431312729;livegnik;They're not the rates.
1127636;1431312745;livegnik;Identifiers are what construct the identity. The ratings are apart from that.
1127637;1431312755;williamdunne;Shows up on the received part either way
1127638;1431312780;livegnik;You can only up/down-vote the identifiers themselves. Next, you can say anything about them under ratings.
1127639;1431312787;livegnik;So there's the ID part and the reputation part.
1127640;1431312895;mircea_popescu;the entire thing would drastically benefit from getting the people involved here. it has fundamental problems which are apparently difficult to grasp. whatever they may think they're doing with their time that's a better use, isn't.
1127641;1431312938;williamdunne;Feels a bit awkward. I like the idea but it feels like crap
1127642;1431312972;livegnik;I like the analogy of an electronic Rolodex. It's dissimilar to the extent that it wasn't shared as easily among all trusted parties.
1127643;1431312972;livegnik;The system doesn't only consist of the identities within the digital Rolodex, but also of all the claims that have been made about them,
1127644;1431312972;livegnik;by any other (1st to infinite degree) party at any time. This information should at least make it much easier for any party to decide for themselves what is best for them.
1127645;1431313021;livegnik;williamdunne: that's why I said not to stare at identi.fi too much, it's basically meant for demo-purposes, to explain the back-end.
1127646;1431313101;livegnik;mircea_popescu: Not sure what you're trying to point there for sure, but one of the reasons I've joined this channel is because there are probably a few people who have thought extensively about this topic.
1127647;1431313146;mircea_popescu;"I agree. I'm no academic nor coder" << basically, you're trying to sell something. the problem is that the thing you're trying to sell has problems. send the engineers that made it instead.
1127648;1431313181;livegnik;As long as it doesn't go in-depth concerning the technicals, a good salesman should at least be able to discuss the concept, right?
1127649;1431313227;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah, apparently 'our' knowledge of uranium reserves are quite limited.  people haven't been trying to mine uranium for thousands of years (like gold)
1127650;1431313228;mircea_popescu;depends with whom.
1127651;1431313244;livegnik;If something goes in-depth too far for me, I'll definitely let you know to get in touch with sirius about it.
1127652;1431313317;livegnik;You can join #identifi to get in touch with sirius directly.
1127653;1431313421;livegnik;So, as a salesman, I might sell it as supernode Rollodex, relaying information among trusted parties.
1127654;1431313443;mircea_popescu;!gettrust sirius
1127655;1431313443;assbot;sirius is not registered in WoT.
1127656;1431313447;livegnik;I prefer evangelist though. I'm way too stoked about our product to be a regular salesguy.
1127657;1431313447;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
1127658;1431313525;decimation;mircea_popescu: incidentally, uranium fission is the only non-mass-polluting technology that can deliver first world level energy to the entire population for a thousand years
1127659;1431313549;mircea_popescu;it is pretty polluting.
1127660;1431313550;decimation;every nuclear bomb made represents a massive waste of potential energy production
1127661;1431313563;decimation;how?  heavy metals in a water bath?
1127662;1431313577;mircea_popescu;not really, unless it's actually fired, the stuff can be reclaimed (and has, on a grand scale - that's what START is really all about)
1127663;1431313596;mircea_popescu;decimation most of them use the thin walled sphere with boron chain fillings. they can be safely dismantled.
1127664;1431313610;decimation;well, sure but it would have been more efficient to use it at lower enrichment levels in the first place
1127665;1431313621;mircea_popescu;eh, waste is what life's all about.
1127666;1431313723;decimation;"At 25 ml per
1127667;1431313723;decimation;year, a lifetime?s worth of high-level nuclear waste would amount to less
1127668;1431313726;decimation;than 2 litres. Even when we multiply by 60 million people, the lifetime vol-
1127669;1431313729;decimation;ume of nuclear waste doesn?t sound unmanageable: 105 000 cubic metres.
1127670;1431313732;decimation;That?s the same volume as 35 olympic swimming pools. "
1127671;1431313737;decimation;shit my new irc client doesn't rate limit my pastes :(
1127672;1431313743;decimation;http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_170.shtml
1127673;1431313743;assbot;Ch 24 Page 170: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGviHl )
1127674;1431313772;mircea_popescu;60 mn ? what's wrong with 60bn ?
1127675;1431313794;mircea_popescu;and yes, a cubic kilometer of very poisonous stuff sounds pretty unmanageable./
1127676;1431313799;decimation;well, he was writing about the uk
1127677;1431313880;decimation;"Compare this 25 ml per year per person of high-level nuclear waste with the other traditional forms of waste we currently dump: municipal waste 517 kg per year per person; hazardous waste 83 kg per year per year"
1127678;1431313901;mircea_popescu;"hazardous waste" is old monitors.
1127679;1431313919;bitstein;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 << the link to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35hpkt/please_remind_me_once_again_why_we_cant_decrease/cr4wk0g
1127680;1431313919;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
1127681;1431313920;assbot;gavinandresen comments on Please remind me once again why we can't decrease the time interval between blocks instead of increasing their size ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGvUww )
1127682;1431313920;mircea_popescu;the only way it'll kill you is by falling on your head.
1127683;1431313972;mircea_popescu;there's a very simple way to decrease interval between blocks : gavin can just go buy some miners and stfu.
1127684;1431313987;mircea_popescu;if the need is there, the fix is obvious. pay more per btc, so miners get more mining done, so more txn get in per day.
1127685;1431314009;mircea_popescu;if the need isn't there... i guess go derp on reddit about things of great interest and matters of great import.
1127686;1431314325;mod6;here's today's update on v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/1TX25HH.txt
1127687;1431314326;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGxcrj )
1127688;1431314404;decimation;the alternative to nuclear fission is to emit radiation via coal burning
1127689;1431314684;mircea_popescu;how does that work ?
1127690;1431314692;mircea_popescu;lead, mercury etc are the problem, not radiation
1127691;1431314746;decimation;"Uranium and thorium have concentrations of roughly 1 ppm and
1127692;1431314747;decimation;2 ppm respectively in coal."
1127693;1431314774;decimation;plus I like to eat bluefin tuna, and coal emissions are ruining it
1127694;1431314792;mircea_popescu;eh, welfare is ruining it.
1127695;1431314802;decimation;http://www.epa.gov/radiation/tenorm/coalandcoalash.html
1127696;1431314803;assbot; Coal Ash | Radiation Protection | US EPA ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGyNgO )
1127697;1431314808;mircea_popescu;if the peons didn't have the printing folk to give them free money, they wouldn't afford bluefin tuna.
1127698;1431314847;decimation;well, that's no reason to piss mercury into the ocean
1127699;1431315027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00024942 = 10.6876 BTC [-]
1127700;1431315027;mircea_popescu;looky, mercury is heavy. it'll go to the bottom.
1127701;1431315063;mircea_popescu;this happens naturally as well. it's what it does.
1127702;1431315187;decimation;so to be clear, it's your position that it's better w.r.t. to "pollution" for electricity to come from coal vice nuclear fission?
1127703;1431315332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00024326 = 5.8869 BTC [-]
1127704;1431315341;mircea_popescu;better requires some criteria.
1127705;1431315395;decimation;well, my favorite criteria are "pollution sits in a pool" rather than "pollution is spammed over planet's surface"
1127706;1431315653;mircea_popescu;i suspect coal is much clenaner then.
1127707;1431315662;mircea_popescu;take a look at fukishima to understand this problem.
1127708;1431315707;decimation;uranium is heavy; it'll go to the bottom.
1127709;1431315713;mircea_popescu;also, consider that a comparison of new nuclear with old coal is pretty stupid. you're not advertising deployument of 1970s soviet nuclear plants. consequently, you don't get to compare to 1950s coal plants.
1127710;1431315722;mircea_popescu;the modern liquefied coal stuff is actually pretty clean
1127711;1431315820;mircea_popescu;in unrelated tinfoil hat fodder : i dunno if anyone remembers the one time world came closest to nuclear war (1983), or the fate of kal-007. the thing is tho, the russians at the time claimed the bad flightpath was deliberate provocation, and that the cia had warned nixon not to go with that flight.
1127712;1431315856;mircea_popescu;this seemed pretty ridiculous at the time, and perhaps it is. or perhaps it's part of a playbook, and the same strategy was later used to try and "turn public opinion" in the ukraine.
1127713;1431316051;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127561 << didn't work, and I was able to re-create my own not-working selection -> http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.22
1127714;1431316051;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 00:08:52; mircea_popescu: sheeeit i should have linked http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.386 instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now!
1127715;1431316052;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGCbIz )
1127716;1431316139;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron how did it not work ?
1127717;1431316167;danielpbarron;doesn't jump down to that part of the page and doesn't select the text
1127718;1431316172;danielpbarron;it works for you?
1127719;1431316179;mircea_popescu;yup, just tried.
1127720;1431316181;danielpbarron;i can produce other urls that do work
1127721;1431316184;mircea_popescu;and no js errors pop up.
1127722;1431316203;danielpbarron;browser bug on my end then i guess
1127723;1431316286;danielpbarron;151.0 makes it start the selection at the "xii" footnote link
1127724;1431317177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kal-007 << 100% sop today, ua being example, yes
1127725;1431317186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere
1127726;1431317196;asciilifeform;it even has english name - 'meaconing'
1127727;1431317650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80289 @ 0.00024318 = 19.5247 BTC [-] {2} 
1127728;1431317697;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114105
1127729;1431317698;assbot;I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGIr39 )
1127730;1431318320;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543 << we did the tile here, iirc. my argument that they will never repay the cost of their manufacture seems ever closer to utter certainty
1127731;1431318320;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
1127732;1431318336;asciilifeform;one can debate the solar panels - but this seems like a hands-down defeat.
1127733;1431318374;asciilifeform;esp. if they were to become at all common and shoot the difficulty into outer space
1127734;1431318404;asciilifeform;(solar panels, in contrast, at least do not suffer from the problem of becoming proportionately more useless with each one made)
1127735;1431318677;asciilifeform;re: nuke thread: decimation has it. nobody (save possibly pakistan) fields pure fission warheads today. not even for the tiny 'dial-a-yield' things fashionable in usa & ru. too 'dirty' and not considerably cheaper than 2-stage affair
1127736;1431318814;decimation;yeah some deuterium spices up the party
1127737;1431318830;asciilifeform;tritium
1127738;1431318839;asciilifeform;(depending on your cycle, sure)
1127739;1431318964;decimation;at any rate, as I wrote later, it seems that the actual amount of U in the ground isn't really fully known
1127740;1431318967;asciilifeform;the interesting thing is, as i pointed out in link, 1) kinetics (how quickly energy is delivered) matter far more than thermodynamics (how much is delivered)
1127741;1431319005;decimation;yeah, 8 mm of water vaporization would zing if delivered in a few microseconds
1127742;1431319025;asciilifeform;2) not only flesh but infrastructure - are fragile. 'tsar bomba' knocked out power lines for many km despite being tested far from civilization (emp by zipping charged particles through van allen belt, a well-understood effect.) picture just one of these over, e.g., new york
1127743;1431319073;asciilifeform;put it this way, falling on ice onto one's arse delivers more kinetic energy than any bullet
1127744;1431319080;asciilifeform;which one would you rather take
1127745;1431320944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00024504 = 14.1511 BTC [+]
1127746;1431321855;mircea_popescu;!up rotarydialer
1127747;1431321884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no discussion about the difficulty going to outer space.
1127748;1431321897;mircea_popescu;about as avoidable as farts.
1127749;1431322237;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answer't.
1127750;1431322279;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere << to my [dis]credit, i just came up wiuth it on my own. i guess i should read more.
1127751;1431323506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73800 @ 0.00025054 = 18.4899 BTC [+] {3} 
1127752;1431323531;mircea_popescu;and speaking of ukraine weird, am i the only one to think Ю́щенко's disappearing act from ukrainian politics is weird ? the guy was strong enough to be worth poisoning a decade ago,  gets 1%  in 2012 ?
1127753;1431323603;mircea_popescu;not to mention the woman, w/e her name was
1127754;1431324061;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Medvedev%2C_Putin_and_Tymoshenko.jpg << check it out, someone really liked medveev.
1127755;1431324062;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWrj4m )
1127756;1431325214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00024787 = 12.4431 BTC [-]
1127757;1431327532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73700 @ 0.00025043 = 18.4567 BTC [+]
1127758;1431328447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00024707 = 19.4938 BTC [-] {2} 
1127759;1431328813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00024555 = 11.148 BTC [-] {2} 
1127760;1431329850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00024591 = 13.7956 BTC [+]
1127761;1431330826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20047 @ 0.00024346 = 4.8806 BTC [-] {2} 
1127762;1431330887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18603 @ 0.00024266 = 4.5142 BTC [-]
1127763;1431331558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95600 @ 0.00024591 = 23.509 BTC [+]
1127764;1431331961;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 <<< pretty sure that's bait so he can turn around and say see, people troll me regardless of what i say therefore my 20mb blocksize limit argument has merit
1127765;1431331961;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
1127766;1431331961;scoopbot_revived;Views From A Shithole, or Periplus Through Stupidity http://trilema.com/2015/views-from-a-shithole-or-periplus-through-stupidity/
1127767;1431332039;mircea_popescu;cazalla it'd work a lot better if anyone gave a shit what he says.
1127768;1431332068;cazalla;and anyway, even if he made a good argument for an increase in the blocksize, his current proposition differs to the incremental increase he suggested only a few months back, can't respect a guy that secede his position so quickly regardless of merit
1127769;1431332138;mircea_popescu;i think he went from salesman trying to impress & get a raise to salesman desperate to avoid the glengarry prize for third place.
1127770;1431332164;cazalla;heh
1127771;1431332241;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c2JWOCHEDM
1127772;1431332242;assbot;FOAR GURLS FRUM BOXXY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ4ixT )
1127773;1431332301;davout;cazalla: i can't help to think that if the guy's really compromised than he probably feels pretty good about the way his proposals are going
1127774;1431332333;mircea_popescu;o yea ?
1127775;1431332386;davout;i mean, if he's compromised and is actually against raising the limit, he has to be happy about it not going too well, right
1127776;1431332387;mircea_popescu;you're not about to introduce your own rendition of the meta-nsa theme are you.
1127777;1431332396;mircea_popescu;o boy.
1127778;1431332401;cazalla;mircea_popescu, linking new boxxy is like 20mb block size limit whereas old boxxy.. pre-famous boxxy are 1mb sizes, l2p
1127779;1431332402;mircea_popescu;right, clearly.
1127780;1431332428;davout;is that so stupid? not sure if sarcasm
1127781;1431332441;mircea_popescu;cazalla honestly i like the new boxxy much better. shit she's saying is of course a lot dumber than before, but at least now it's banal too. easier to ignore.
1127782;1431332452;mircea_popescu;davout it's not stupid per se. it's boundless.
1127783;1431332477;mircea_popescu;you know, maybe the shrimp i had earlier and am now digesting REALLY MEANT to be eaten. it was its plan all along. i fell into its well laid out trap!
1127784;1431332478;mircea_popescu;sure...
1127785;1431332494;davout;who's to know
1127786;1431332496;cazalla;mircea_popescu, but the new ones reak of how can i leverage my succesful random videos with new, non-random random videos with adsense
1127787;1431332510;mircea_popescu;davout more importantly, who's to care.
1127788;1431332522;mircea_popescu;maybe hitler's plan was to lose the war, kill himself, and have his idiocy remade by the winners.
1127789;1431332529;mircea_popescu;if it was, he totally won that bet.
1127790;1431332537;mircea_popescu;cazalla yep.
1127791;1431332579;cazalla;i'd even wager her come back video has some ad agency or fucking youtube studio involved
1127792;1431332589;cazalla;had even
1127793;1431332596;davout;yea no argument here
1127794;1431332632;mircea_popescu;in other words : the space of possibilities is necessarily and by definition very vast and entirely open. this however does not make it automatically also interesting.
1127795;1431332663;mircea_popescu;"why did you hit this man in the head ?" "i thought maybe it'd do him good" "why ?" "dunno" judge thinks it through "alright, case dismissed. maybe it does do him good."
1127796;1431332677;cazalla;davout, i think he is more likely to be trolling than a canary as you said on /r/bitcoin.. the guy has had his childish tantrums on bitcointalk before in 40pt font
1127797;1431332696;mircea_popescu;hard to bead diablo-d3 at that.
1127798;1431332729;mircea_popescu;anyone else remember his "THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY ~must~ give me 1mn BTC to do stuff I came up with because that's the only way IT'll matter!11", or am i the only one ?
1127799;1431332772;mircea_popescu;then people lol'd and he went apeshit.
1127800;1431332779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87933 @ 0.00024266 = 21.3378 BTC [-]
1127801;1431333028;mircea_popescu;i guess it's only me. a well, was lulzy.
1127802;1431333224;davout;mircea_popescu: lol when was that?
1127803;1431333232;mircea_popescu;2012ish
1127804;1431333236;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/6aa41bb8b99299d0804958b220fcda59/tumblr_mx2l06UT1k1rkrrhko3_500.gif
1127805;1431333238;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5b9A )
1127806;1431333245;davout;cute!
1127807;1431333306;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg861656#msg861656
1127808;1431333307;assbot;Diablo Mining Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5cud )
1127809;1431333391;mircea_popescu;and yeah she;s a total cutie. http://sexslaveemporium.tumblr.com/post/74400459676
1127810;1431333392;assbot;Shadow Centurion's Sex Slave Emporium ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5gKv )
1127811;1431333491;davout;mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, thought the 1mn thing was about gavin
1127812;1431333583;cazalla;cutie? i see no face in that gif, could be butter for all i know
1127813;1431333707;mircea_popescu;butter ?!
1127814;1431333734;cazalla;u know, butterface, all those gifs and no face, odds are good you'll be paperbagging that cutue
1127815;1431333778;mircea_popescu;;;ud  butterface
1127816;1431333779;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=butter+face | n. A girl who is hot, except for her (but her, butter) face.
1127817;1431333785;mircea_popescu;o.O
1127818;1431333791;mircea_popescu;the shit i learn hanging out here.
1127819;1431333805;cazalla;mebe it's aussie slang, i unno
1127820;1431333822;mircea_popescu;http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/636787/
1127821;1431333823;assbot;Butterface Girls - Gallery ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5CAT )
1127822;1431333849;mircea_popescu;i had noticed before how extremely rare it is for a great ass to find itself on a pretty face.
1127823;1431333855;mircea_popescu;but tits, i think, more commonly.
1127824;1431333973;cazalla;which do you prefer, great ass or tits
1127825;1431334005;davout;cazalla: which do you prefer? bumping blocks to 20mb, or shrinking them to 100kb?
1127826;1431334008;davout;:D
1127827;1431334046;cazalla;davout, well my missus has one of thise 20mb fat asses
1127828;1431334079;cazalla;(not that i really give a shit these days)
1127829;1431334087;davout;heh
1127830;1431334106;cazalla;and to think how bad i was jonesing to hit that lol
1127831;1431334321;davout;;;ud jonesing
1127832;1431334322;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jonesing | Sheeeit beeeitch after smokin' dat weed I'm jonesing for some grub! Shaniqua is mad jonesing for Rasheed, dat bitch follow him around everywhere. by Nick D ...
1127833;1431334335;davout;lol
1127834;1431334572;cazalla;https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1411/84/1411847912290.jpg while browsing, not related to my bitching of the missus
1127835;1431334576;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJBa0O )
1127836;1431334608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75123 @ 0.00024999 = 18.78 BTC [+] {2} 
1127837;1431334608;punkman;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-1.jpg < http://i1.mdzol.com/files/image/594/594580/5544b8e4af5f8_565_319!.jpg
1127838;1431334608;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJBaOq )
1127839;1431334611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJBb4S )
1127840;1431334622;punkman;Obaca, my sides
1127841;1431334648;davout;cazalla: topkek
1127842;1431334974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17316 @ 0.00025039 = 4.3358 BTC [+]
1127843;1431335193;mircea_popescu;4plebs lol
1127844;1431335205;mircea_popescu;cazalla anyway, great ass. tits easier to fix.
1127845;1431335272;mircea_popescu;is that jpg proposing the derpy chicks above are somehow dangerous ?
1127846;1431335277;mircea_popescu;to what, fudge ?
1127847;1431335473;cazalla;i guess more so danger, they have issues but whatever i liked it so whatevers i link what i want
1127848;1431335509;mircea_popescu;lol
1127849;1431335517;cazalla;drinking some cheap shitty cherry brandy amyways
1127850;1431335531;mircea_popescu;you know you could distil your own rabbits!
1127851;1431335540;mircea_popescu;i wonder what rabbitrandy tastes like
1127852;1431335569;cazalla;don't have em, not for a while, fucked em off given the situation here
1127853;1431335601;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1127854;1431335684;cazalla;meh what can i say, made my own bed
1127855;1431337109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00024471 = 22.7825 BTC [-]
1127856;1431337597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59358 @ 0.00024471 = 14.5255 BTC [-]
1127857;1431340265;mats;http://cryptome.org/2015/05/nsa-skynet-intercept-15-0507.pdf
1127858;1431341576;mircea_popescu;this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/
1127859;1431341577;assbot;Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters | First Down | Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvQbL4 )
1127860;1431341623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48348 @ 0.00024471 = 11.8312 BTC [-]
1127861;1431341867;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34zini/some_say_gavin_can_kill_1000_trolls_in_a_single/ << check out the post-structuralist world. idiots on either side of an imaginary divide discover that well... they're really just idiots, the divide was imaginary, stuff like that.
1127862;1431341869;assbot;Some say Gavin can kill 1000 trolls in a single swing : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVys4b )
1127863;1431342650;cazalla;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073349/Is-world-s-longest-tongue-18-year-old-lick-nose-chin-EYE.html imagine that on ya balls
1127864;1431342652;assbot;World's longest tongue can lick Adrianne Lewis' nose, chin and EYE | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVzrkX )
1127865;1431342871;mircea_popescu;easier with two girls
1127866;1431342968;cazalla;i dunno, sorta like micropenis guy claiming 4-5 of his would be just as good if not better than a 10" eh? :P
1127867;1431343137;mircea_popescu;lol
1127868;1431343270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83522 @ 0.00024216 = 20.2257 BTC [-] {6} 
1127869;1431343815;cazalla;horry shit, people actually kill themselves over ransomware http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11363099/Autistic-boy-hanged-himself-after-receiving-bogus-police-email.html
1127870;1431343818;assbot;Autistic boy hanged himself after receiving bogus 'police' email - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9qGmZ )
1127871;1431344285;scoopbot_revived;The Chicken Brothers Cook Up Some Ransomware http://qntra.net/2015/05/the-chicken-brothers-cook-up-some-ransomware/
1127872;1431344586;cazalla;i could really go for some of that chicken right now
1127873;1431344929;cazalla;http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35fftw/satoshi_dressup_impersonator_gavin_andresen_has/
1127874;1431344930;assbot;Satoshi dress-up impersonator Gavin Andresen, has given up promoting larger block sizes. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9s6h6 )
1127875;1431345026;mircea_popescu;aww
1127876;1431345044;mircea_popescu;"Most news sites you see on the internet are just one guy writing under multiple names. Writers are expensive. This wouldn't be the first site that does that nor would it even be unusual.
1127877;1431345067;mircea_popescu;pround member of the "things the voices in my head tell me are real" internet liberation party
1127878;1431345326;davout;cazalla: "but at this time that inbox is empty" <<< can you read it?
1127879;1431345405;cazalla;davout, mailinator is one of those disposable email services that anyone can check if you give out the username
1127880;1431345444;davout;ic, and the username is the email username i take
1127881;1431345455;davout;weird they'd pick that
1127882;1431345480;cazalla;yup, so if you don't want to have spam sent to your inbox or want an address that is shared, it's useful for that
1127883;1431345506;davout;jon matonis on the qntra itbit piece "Market-based legitimacy will always trump any flavor of institutional or political legitimacy. Bitcoin outlives political institutions."
1127884;1431345527;davout;quite ironic he'd speak about "institutional legitimacy"
1127885;1431345778;cazalla;davout, dunno what to make of it, he retweets a lot of qntra stuff despite his bitcoin foundation history
1127886;1431345839;cazalla;to borrow a line.. in other news, 75% of these women on MFC are fucking useless camwhores
1127887;1431345854;cazalla;if i was a chick, i'd be top 5 mfc easy
1127888;1431346076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35210 @ 0.00024121 = 8.493 BTC [-]
1127889;1431346328;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35jnw9/is_bitcoin_vulnerable_to_a_financial_attack_like/
1127890;1431346329;assbot;Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tL6h )
1127891;1431346344;cazalla;https://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/cuck-a-duck-by-ben-garrison/ lulz ben garrison strikes back against moot even though moot didn't face his drawings but anyway
1127892;1431346345;assbot;Cuck a Duck by Ben Garrison | GrrrGraphics ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2i )
1127893;1431346345;mircea_popescu;[�]Future_Prophecy 0 points 7 hours ago
1127894;1431346345;mircea_popescu;Read this: http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/
1127895;1431346346;assbot;Let's pretend... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2o )
1127896;1431346346;mircea_popescu;permalink
1127897;1431346346;mircea_popescu;[�]bitcoinquestions001 0 points 7 hours ago
1127898;1431346346;mircea_popescu;Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this.
1127899;1431346346;mircea_popescu;derp.
1127900;1431346397;cazalla;the /r/bitcoin mods fkn banned me the cunts :\
1127901;1431346418;cazalla;you can call people niggers but don't tell people to kill themselves
1127902;1431346524;mircea_popescu;maybe they didn't like teh qntra.
1127903;1431346532;cazalla;nah, wasn't that
1127904;1431346544;cazalla;i rarely submit qntra there anyway
1127905;1431346564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00024505 = 14.605 BTC [+]
1127906;1431346610;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#comment-114111 << check it out, BingoBoingo s filipino dreamgirl.  https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/428549020479279105/L7WQO3J2.jpeg
1127907;1431346611;assbot;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwprQb )
1127908;1431346611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwppYL )
1127909;1431346620;cazalla;specifically http://i.imgur.com/5Xkhidy.png
1127910;1431346621;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwpqfl )
1127911;1431346667;cazalla;https://twitter.com/cutiemerz27 for bb
1127912;1431346669;assbot;merzy caballero (@cutiemerz27) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwpyvd )
1127913;1431346692;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol why so hostile anyway
1127914;1431346706;cazalla;was prob drunk
1127915;1431346731;mircea_popescu;lol and you found out a week later ?
1127916;1431346758;cazalla;no no, just mentioning it now
1127917;1431346780;cazalla;not exactly news or bragworthy, like the 5th time i've been banned from /r/bitcoin
1127918;1431346798;cazalla;just had a bit more time sunk into this account
1127919;1431346912;cazalla;bit of a disgrace considering bruce fenton of the bitcoin foundation has change tipped fedora'd me a couple times
1127920;1431347540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58865 @ 0.00024625 = 14.4955 BTC [+]
1127921;1431351627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64889 @ 0.00025042 = 16.2495 BTC [+] {2} 
1127922;1431352786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00025043 = 1.5902 BTC [+]
1127923;1431352908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24162 @ 0.00024571 = 5.9368 BTC [-] {2} 
1127924;1431352969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21588 @ 0.00024702 = 5.3327 BTC [+] {2} 
1127925;1431356081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00025103 = 14.4091 BTC [+] {3} 
1127926;1431356934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38466 @ 0.00025518 = 9.8158 BTC [+]
1127927;1431358093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89303 @ 0.00025638 = 22.8955 BTC [+] {4} 
1127928;1431358154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55097 @ 0.00026231 = 14.4525 BTC [+] {2} 
1127929;1431358642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.0002505 = 14.9799 BTC [-] {2} 
1127930;1431358825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77600 @ 0.00024143 = 18.735 BTC [-] {3} 
1127931;1431359248;jurov;https://jonasnick.github.io/blog/2015/05/09/fuzzing-bitcoin-consensus/
1127932;1431359249;assbot;Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1PC7ss8 )
1127933;1431360000;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35lebr/announcing_pgp_support_on_bitmex/ << PGP support announced for an exchange. The plot thickens?
1127934;1431360212;ben_vulpes;http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-smartphone-market-slows-down-1431296873 << modern manufacturing can crank out so many units as to completely overwhelm demand. this, i believe, is what's actually driving apple into the 'watch market', such as it is
1127935;1431360214;assbot;      China’s Smartphone Market Slows Down - WSJ     ... ( http://bit.ly/1PC9UyS )
1127936;1431360401;thestringpuller;i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
1127937;1431361021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17713 @ 0.00025531 = 4.5223 BTC [+] {2} 
1127938;1431361448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00024021 = 6.6058 BTC [-] {2} 
1127939;1431361606;williamdunne;thestringpuller: Not the first exchange to add PGP support
1127940;1431361615;williamdunne;We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
1127941;1431361626;williamdunne;IIRC Kraken does signing but not encryption
1127942;1431361642;williamdunne;Would be tragic for the NSA to lose out on that valuable data
1127943;1431361663;thestringpuller;MPEx was the first exchange to have GPG support...
1127944;1431361691;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/ << That's quite the one sided game. The write up of the handegg game as though it is a soccer game is an interesting cultural artifact. Also that quarterback with all the touchdown passes seems to have an awfully generic name...
1127945;1431361693;assbot;Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters | First Down | Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5rWB )
1127946;1431361809;williamdunne;thestringpuller: I know, although its not really used much by the people in question
1127947;1431361834;williamdunne;thestringpuller: It also has the most thorough implementation
1127948;1431362226;danielpbarron;!up bitcoinquestions
1127949;1431362396;bitcoinquestions;Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?
1127950;1431362426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00026534 = 15.9204 BTC [+] {2} 
1127951;1431362473;danielpbarron;bitcoinquestions, to which link are you referring?
1127952;1431362492;bitcoinquestions;http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/
1127953;1431362493;assbot;Let's pretend... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7RV7 )
1127954;1431362516;bitcoinquestions;in response to http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35jnw9/is_bitcoin_vulnerable_to_a_financial_attack_like/
1127955;1431362517;assbot;Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7XMm )
1127956;1431362974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52203 @ 0.00026561 = 13.8656 BTC [+] {2} 
1127957;1431363113;danielpbarron;"But what if one of these government backed exchanges start working with a huge leverage using fiat as its backing and not bitcoins?" << start? isn't that the SOP?
1127958;1431363407;pete_dushenski;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!
1127959;1431363408;assbot;All-Russian 'Elbrus' PCs and servers go on sale • The Register     ... ( http://bit.ly/1KB6Txg )
1127960;1431363420;pete_dushenski;"The Elbrus 4c used in the PCs and servers is said to support two instruction sets: very long instruction word and SPARC."
1127961;1431363438;pete_dushenski;"The Elbrus ARM-401 PC is a minitower packing a version of Linux also called Elbrus and boasts four USB 2.0 ports, a PCI-express slot, gigabit ethernet and not much more."
1127962;1431363444;pete_dushenski;"The CPU is otherwise unremarkable: it packs four cores, but they stroll along at 800 MHz and are built using a 65 nm process."
1127963;1431363455;pete_dushenski;"The Server Elbrus 4.4 is a four-socket affair and four of the machines fit into a 1U chassis. Gigabit ethernet, SATA and plenty of PCI slots connect it to other kit and the rest of the worlds."
1127964;1431363468;pete_dushenski;!s elbrus
1127965;1431363469;assbot;13 results for 'elbrus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=elbrus
1127966;1431363506;williamdunne;thestringpuller: PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS). Signing and encrypting with PGP is a nice way to bypass using authorization tokens, though, but it is not usable in a modern exchange interface. Trades on MPEx are very slow as a result.
1127967;1431363506;williamdunne;MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
1127968;1431363512;williamdunne;You got your response
1127969;1431363660;pete_dushenski;;;later tell danielpbarron cheers!
1127970;1431363660;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1127971;1431363706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47634 @ 0.00026688 = 12.7126 BTC [+] {2} 
1127972;1431363742;danielpbarron;mainstream acceptance is not desirable
1127973;1431363757;danielpbarron;such a thing may be what caused the great depression
1127974;1431363767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15716 @ 0.00026768 = 4.2069 BTC [+]
1127975;1431363774;danielpbarron;letting anybody with 2 cents to rub together trade on margin
1127976;1431363809;danielpbarron;williamdunne, ^, ssl is a suitable alternative for GPG !?
1127977;1431363824;williamdunne;Apparently so! I never knew!
1127978;1431363837;danielpbarron;oh that was a copy paste?
1127979;1431363838;williamdunne;> However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
1127980;1431363839;williamdunne;That assumes mainstream acceptance is the goal.
1127981;1431363839;williamdunne;>PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS).
1127982;1431363839;williamdunne;That depends on the function you are going for. SSL doesn't serve as a way to verify each party and obviously has some contentious things going on with cert authorities.
1127983;1431363839;williamdunne;There are ways of doing similar things in a usable and optional fashion.
1127984;1431363840;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: i dun think williamdunne wrote that..
1127985;1431363843;mike_c;you should put quotes around stupid crap like that
1127986;1431363847;danielpbarron;lol sorry
1127987;1431363866;williamdunne;Yeah, that was the CTO of BitMex
1127988;1431363869;pete_dushenski;mike_c: good point.
1127989;1431363951;pete_dushenski;williamdunne: you wanna invite him over ?
1127990;1431363960;williamdunne;Yeah I'll do that
1127991;1431364025;williamdunne;Invited
1127992;1431364033;pete_dushenski;cool.
1127993;1431364070;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1127994;1431364116;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127958 !
1127995;1431364116;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 16:56:47; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!
1127996;1431364129;pete_dushenski;... can it be ?
1127997;1431364185;ascii_field;eh no distributor afaik
1127998;1431364219;pete_dushenski;no factory direct ?
1127999;1431364223;ascii_field;nope
1128000;1431364227;ascii_field;just an email addr
1128001;1431364230;ascii_field;'inquiries'
1128002;1431364236;pete_dushenski;what the hell are airplanes for ?
1128003;1431364238;ascii_field;in other, more interesting news,
1128004;1431364239;ascii_field;http://gfycat.com/FinishedScratchyFoxhound
1128005;1431364240;assbot;                all - Jiffier gifs through HTML5 Video Conversion.     ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTdDWP )
1128006;1431364243;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^^
1128007;1431364248;ascii_field;mega-sport
1128008;1431364311;williamdunne;They really do have some creative shows..
1128009;1431364345;ascii_field;pretty clear from the www that they aren't selling onceies
1128010;1431364373;williamdunne;65 nm - thats BFL standards
1128011;1431364423;pete_dushenski;hm. so groupbuy it is.
1128012;1431364570;williamdunne;Are we gonna be able to get maybe 10k units between us?
1128013;1431364579;williamdunne;Bitcoin-ISP growing faster than expected
1128014;1431364602;ascii_field;williamdunne: if you exclude mircea_popescu, i doubt we can get 10,000 plastic forks between the lot of us
1128015;1431364625;pete_dushenski;lolk
1128016;1431364672;pete_dushenski;except excluding mp from this consideration is like excluding air from discussions of breathing.
1128017;1431364696;pete_dushenski;to what end do you make this exclusion ?
1128018;1431364739;ascii_field;to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly
1128019;1431364769;ascii_field;but to go to original point, there is nothing magical about ru cpu (esp. a sparc clone, almost certainly built from 'opensparc')
1128020;1431364786;pete_dushenski;'groupbuy' implies nothing about proportions.
1128021;1431364802;pete_dushenski;so it's 95-5
1128022;1431364863;pete_dushenski;but yes, is this elbrus isn't sufficiently magical, then it makes as much sense as buying 10,000 apple watches
1128023;1431364877;ascii_field;more like 10,000 'loongson's.
1128024;1431365010;ascii_field;from spec sheet: 800MHz sparc-like; sata-2; 12 ddr3 ecc dimm slots; various standard i/o (e.g., pci-e, GbE;) and, most interestingly, built-in fpga for 2d interconnect into clusters by directly linking bus (202 G/s claimed.)
1128025;1431365024;ascii_field;so far reminiscent of sgi 'origin'
1128026;1431365064;pete_dushenski;'there's nothing new under the sun'
1128027;1431365084;ascii_field;beg to differ.
1128028;1431365092;ascii_field;but 'nothing new sold retail' - sure
1128029;1431365129;pete_dushenski;ok, so is similarity to 'origin' a positive step or a mark of failure ?
1128030;1431365140;pete_dushenski;(for those of us who have nfi)
1128031;1431365254;ascii_field;positive
1128032;1431365271;ascii_field;one of the things glaringly missing from even the costliest x86 mb is a means for connecting them as tiles
1128033;1431365275;ascii_field;at full bus speed
1128034;1431365389;pete_dushenski;interesting.
1128035;1431365553;ascii_field;http://www.overclockers.ua/news/hardware/2015-05-09/115773 << alleged price, 4k usd
1128036;1431365555;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zThFyv )
1128037;1431365581;ascii_field;though, pictured unit is a much more modest demo, it appears
1128038;1431365593;ascii_field;rather than the quad cpu rack mount thing from earlier link
1128039;1431365634;ascii_field;offered to 'russian incorporated entities only'
1128040;1431365635;pete_dushenski;same as this : http://www.mcst.ru/arm-elbrus401
1128041;1431365647;ascii_field;aha.
1128042;1431365667;pete_dushenski;was in article as well.
1128043;1431365684;pete_dushenski;it's surely doable to incorporate in russia
1128044;1431365693;pete_dushenski;if the juice is worth the squeeze
1128045;1431365707;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: iirc you gotta have a physical agent there.
1128046;1431365740;ascii_field;(and do at least a convincing simulacrum of legit business)
1128047;1431365780;pete_dushenski;ok so not exactly wrapped in an amazon box and shipped to your door
1128048;1431365795;ascii_field;at any rate, for what it is - 4k usd is not an obscene bag of benjies; but i have doubts that you can get these 1) in onecies 2) for anywhere close to the manufacturer's retail cost
1128049;1431365795;pete_dushenski;but hey, if this things are cool enough, they're not exactly 'unobtanium'
1128050;1431365803;ascii_field;3) any time soon.
1128051;1431365822;pete_dushenski;*these things
1128052;1431365826;ascii_field;first one here to grab one, please write in.
1128053;1431365834;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: doubts shmouts
1128054;1431365861;pete_dushenski;this seems like a worthy project
1128055;1431365877;pete_dushenski;for all the bitching about usg chip diddling in this place
1128056;1431365881;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: mebbe you can trade that astonmartin for an 'elbrus'
1128057;1431365891;pete_dushenski;it's a mercedes !
1128058;1431365895;ascii_field;ah
1128059;1431365896;ascii_field;l0l
1128060;1431365906;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1128061;1431365930;ascii_field;danke pete_dushenski
1128062;1431365943;pete_dushenski;bitte :)
1128063;1431365966;ascii_field;elbrus for many decades (yes) had reputation not entirely unlike 'butterfly labs' or what was it.
1128064;1431365973;ascii_field;since soviet times, even
1128065;1431365983;pete_dushenski;'pay now, mebbe ship later'
1128066;1431365987;ascii_field;aha
1128067;1431366024;williamdunne;At least its marginally less important when the kit arrives in some circumstances than with bitcoin mining
1128068;1431366030;pete_dushenski;typical crowdfund dealio apparently wasn't invented for crowdfunding. who knew.
1128069;1431366044;pete_dushenski;is there nothing those crowdfundtards won't steal!
1128070;1431366062;ascii_field;at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
1128071;1431366083;*;pete_dushenski is reminded of recent commenter who was all "crowdfund your bitcoin nodes if they're too expensive"
1128072;1431366097;williamdunne;3) With considerable performance losses
1128073;1431366109;williamdunne;4) At greater cost per computational unit
1128074;1431366110;ascii_field;from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
1128075;1431366117;williamdunne;^tm
1128076;1431366132;williamdunne;5) With far less support in terms of software you may need to run
1128077;1431366152;ascii_field;williamdunne: lack of support for winblows is a feature, not bug
1128078;1431366166;williamdunne;I never mentioned windows
1128079;1431366182;ascii_field;(and there is claimed x86 dynamic translation, a la apple ppc. so it may yet turn out that most 'elbrus' will end up running winblowsxp...)
1128080;1431366194;ascii_field;williamdunne: what did you have in mind ?
1128081;1431366230;williamdunne;Admittedly it was a while ago, but I can remember getting most things to run on an RPI-like was an absolute bitch
1128082;1431366277;ascii_field;williamdunne: rpi in particular was a miserably underpowered (nic shared usb line with drives) thing
1128083;1431366303;ascii_field;or do you consider any box where you can't suck down prebuilt packages from the net, to be 'a bitch to run'
1128084;1431366326;williamdunne;Mmm the second thing a bit. Prebuilt certainly makes mundane tasks that should be easy, easy
1128085;1431366382;trinque;nothing that hard about cross compiling to arm
1128086;1431366390;ascii_field;or compiling on arm
1128087;1431366403;ascii_field;(the only reason we don't build bitcoind on pogo is the ram-poverty)
1128088;1431366413;williamdunne;Nothing that hard, but often its ignored by developers
1128089;1431366543;ascii_field;as far as i'm concerned, if it won't compile on my box, for my box, it doesn't exist
1128090;1431366871;mircea_popescu;you're not the only one.
1128091;1431367001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45836 @ 0.00025338 = 11.6139 BTC [-]
1128092;1431367132;ascii_field;usg photol0l: http://cryptome.org/sugar-grove-bunker.jpg
1128093;1431367141;*;jurov is curious for how many people will eulora exist then
1128094;1431367180;jurov;there's this  big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure
1128095;1431367184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33332 @ 0.00025338 = 8.4457 BTC [-]
1128096;1431367187;ascii_field;wat
1128097;1431367207;jurov;yes. ask ben_vulpes or mod6
1128098;1431367341;ascii_field;l0l, that thing has a www! http://www.nioc-sugargrove.navy.mil
1128099;1431367342;assbot;Welcome to Navy Forces Online Public Sites ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTmXtR )
1128100;1431367367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73765 @ 0.00025332 = 18.6861 BTC [-] {2} 
1128101;1431367413;mod6;yeah, I don't remember having that problem before with CS... but maybe i'd forgotten?!
1128102;1431367428;ascii_field;http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB23/09-03.htm << ran a classic 'echelon' node
1128103;1431367429;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTngVk )
1128104;1431367514;danielpbarron;!up ericmuys_
1128105;1431367739;trinque;http://trilema.com/2015/views-from-a-shithole-or-periplus-through-stupidity/#selection-111.62-111.89 << ahaha, I'm saving that one for later.
1128106;1431367740;assbot;Views From A Shithole, or Periplus Through Stupidity on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zToikq )
1128107;1431368379;davout;!up ascii_field
1128108;1431368445;davout;!up ascii_field
1128109;1431368529;davout;williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit
1128110;1431368632;mats;fun fact: you can use scrypt to attempt remote code integrity attestation on microprocessors.
1128111;1431368673;jurov;what is "emote code integrity attestation"?
1128112;1431368686;mats;(as long as you fill unused flash with high entropy NOPs that eventually jump to a fault handler, and do attestation via reset to a minimal bootloader that can use all memory)
1128113;1431368838;jurov;mats: i still don't understand you
1128114;1431368844;mircea_popescu;<jurov> there's this  big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure << ahaha wut!
1128115;1431368875;mircea_popescu;trinque isn't it great that now you can :D
1128116;1431368892;trinque;yeah that selection script is sweet
1128117;1431368910;mircea_popescu;:D
1128118;1431368920;mircea_popescu;mats yep, part oif why the entire "attestation" bs is so lulzy.
1128119;1431368923;davout;is it supposed to work on trilema? as in, i select arbitrary text and i'l given a URL reference?
1128120;1431368932;mats;jurov: p much what it sounds like: generating a proof of certain properties re: integrity, e.g. configuration and state of hardware/sw stack
1128121;1431368960;mats;jurov: usual approach is through hashing regions of memory for comparison
1128122;1431368968;mircea_popescu;davout yup. requires js, but it's pretty solid. try itr.
1128123;1431368980;davout;i tried, didn't werk
1128124;1431368988;davout;hence confusion
1128125;1431368994;mircea_popescu;well, what error does the console pop ?
1128126;1431369045;davout;none
1128127;1431369052;davout;maybe i need to flush cache
1128128;1431369079;mircea_popescu;do you run js at all ?
1128129;1431369090;davout;i use an apple computer
1128130;1431369095;davout;that says it all
1128131;1431369129;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat
1128132;1431369129;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 18:24:33; jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?
1128133;1431369145;mircea_popescu;davout safari ? or what does it use for a browsder ?
1128134;1431369148;davout;i must be misunderstanding something here, i tried in safari, ff, and chrome
1128135;1431369162;mircea_popescu;ugh. so what happens if you follow trinque's link ?
1128136;1431369162;ascii_field;essentially a byword for 'let's find a way to enforce ban on general-purpose computer'
1128137;1431369185;davout;open an article randomly, select random bit of the article, nothing happens
1128138;1431369198;davout;ooh
1128139;1431369199;davout;i get it
1128140;1431369204;davout;the URL changes
1128141;1431369218;davout;i kindof expected a little pop-up like on the btc-dev mailing list
1128142;1431369218;mircea_popescu;lol mkay. what did you expect, a bj ?
1128143;1431369224;mircea_popescu;what am i, retarded ?
1128144;1431369258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00025572 = 9.6918 BTC [+] {2} 
1128145;1431369279;mats;fun fact: passive radar using 802.11 points and such is a thing.
1128146;1431369288;mircea_popescu;anyway, if there are any javascript experts in the room, you, trinque, whoever : currently it pisses me off because if you click on page it scrolls you to top. any idea how to fix it so it ignores clicks ? just, never scroll as a result of a click.
1128147;1431369289;scoopbot_revived;Liberland "President" Arrested http://qntra.net/2015/05/liberland-president-arrested/
1128148;1431369318;ascii_field;mats: not only a thing, but effectively defeats famous 'stealth airplane'
1128149;1431369342;mats;how so?
1128150;1431369361;mircea_popescu;ascii_field wut, it connects to wireless ?
1128151;1431369366;mircea_popescu;wifi raiding bomber ?
1128152;1431369634;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127936 more like, "we'll make our own theatre here in akron, ohio. what schubert in new haven ? what square mile ? broadway ? nah dude. ohio teatre."
1128153;1431369634;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 16:06:41; thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
1128154;1431369660;mircea_popescu;"those guys are the top just because they're priviledged, we can be just as good as them, even better. because we want to, that's why!"
1128155;1431369683;jurov;stealth bomber does reflect microwaves
1128156;1431369685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00025925 = 13.2477 BTC [+] {2} 
1128157;1431369736;danielpbarron;!up soypirate
1128158;1431369738;mats;fun fact: since OLPC machines use IEEE1275, they all have a Forth implementation baked into the firmware.
1128159;1431369881;mircea_popescu;jurov it never flies that low does it ?
1128160;1431369908;mircea_popescu;ascii_field https://jonasnick.github.io/blog/2015/05/09/fuzzing-bitcoin-consensus/ << you seen this ? fucking major.
1128161;1431369910;assbot;Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0l9R0 )
1128162;1431369926;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes, saw
1128163;1431369946;ascii_field;let the golang folks be proud of their flagship, l0l
1128164;1431369983;jurov;well, serbians did use passive radar to shoot one down. and then 2.4ghz sources were far not so plentiful
1128165;1431369995;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: wut, it connects to wireless << it casts a shadow in microwave spectrum
1128166;1431369999;mircea_popescu;jurov serbians shot down a stealth plane ?
1128167;1431370017;jurov;yea, there's a piece exhibited in belgrade
1128168;1431370021;mircea_popescu;i didn't know they had rockets fast enough even. wtf is this.
1128169;1431370044;mircea_popescu;hey check it out, 1999 F-117A shootdown. is a thing.
1128170;1431370073;mircea_popescu;with a goa lol.
1128171;1431370079;mircea_popescu;those things are as big as the damned f117
1128172;1431370141;mircea_popescu;"In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications" AAAAhahahahaha
1128173;1431370146;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha o god have mercy.
1128174;1431370156;jurov;it isn't so inconceivable to point an antenna to sky and scan for reflected 2.4ghz sources
1128175;1431370194;*;ascii_field floored that mircea_popescu had not heard of the mega-airplane
1128176;1431370210;ascii_field;it even sits in a museum, one can visit it
1128177;1431370222;ascii_field;(what's left of it)
1128178;1431370235;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i'm only very marginally interested in this sort of wankery tbh.
1128179;1431370252;ascii_field;there is a (plausible) legend that the strike on the cn embassy was deliberate - as it was where the carcass was hidden
1128180;1431370306;mircea_popescu;ah, where are the rambunctious years of the serbian "pace" mission.
1128181;1431370313;mircea_popescu;imagine, the us daring to hit a cn embassy today :D
1128182;1431370327;mircea_popescu;how much has changed, how the mighty have fallen, etc.
1128183;1431370505;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ?
1128184;1431370505;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
1128185;1431370567;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127949 << i feel the comments are the only good stuff on that reddit piece, which is amusing seeing how they both got 0 votes.
1128186;1431370567;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 16:39:56; bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?
1128187;1431370575;mircea_popescu;the derp was @reddit not at teh comments themselves.
1128188;1431370602;mircea_popescu;and why is bitcoinquestions ?
1128189;1431370656;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127967 << what are you, nuts ? no exchange with a lower fee EVER, in the entire history of finance, gained mainstream acceptance.
1128190;1431370656;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 16:58:26; williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
1128191;1431370662;mircea_popescu;how much do you think nyse costs ?
1128192;1431370676;mircea_popescu;yes, they used to be more expensive, and have been alligning to the mpex price over the years. nevertheless...
1128193;1431370701;mircea_popescu;im not going to even go into the whole pki nonsense, too lazy atm.
1128194;1431370712;davout;he was quoting apparently
1128195;1431370718;davout;(the pki stuff)
1128196;1431370723;mircea_popescu;oh.
1128197;1431370728;mircea_popescu;well use quotes lol.
1128198;1431370743;mircea_popescu;i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange ?
1128199;1431370835;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128006 << that gyfcat thing is old, one of the sluts was using it to greatly impress.
1128200;1431370835;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 17:10:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^^
1128201;1431370845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 2850 @ 0.00035271 = 1.0052 BTC [+]
1128202;1431370859;mircea_popescu;ahaha lol.
1128203;1431370882;mircea_popescu;i thought you meant the site. gotta love those girls, great sports.
1128204;1431370963;mircea_popescu;ascii_field wait, so you're not gonna write an inquiry to the elbrus folks ?
1128205;1431370977;mircea_popescu;you know i *am* willing to buy one, host it in the ukr lands closeby, and so on.
1128206;1431371038;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128018 << says the guy who bought & brought an entire fucking case of pogos, lol.
1128207;1431371038;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 17:18:59; ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly
1128208;1431371090;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1128209;1431371103;pete_dushenski;but but but pogos are cheap and shipped to door!
1128210;1431371115;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu. and pete_dushenski has it - those were lunch money, yes
1128211;1431371117;pete_dushenski;which.... is considerable
1128212;1431371132;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: buy elbrus ... << ru corps only is the advertised offer
1128213;1431371134;mircea_popescu;well wtf is a server supposed to cost, 20k ?
1128214;1431371147;ascii_field;elbrus advertised retail is ~4kusd
1128215;1431371149;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i can bitch at someone there to buy it, i imagine. prolly so can you
1128216;1431371152;mircea_popescu;ahaha wut ? why ?
1128217;1431371157;ascii_field;ask'em why
1128218;1431371170;mircea_popescu;lolk.
1128219;1431371175;ascii_field;probably answer is 'not made in cn, therefore add a zero to cost'
1128220;1431371175;mircea_popescu;so basically they can only sell to rug.
1128221;1431371193;pete_dushenski;and $4k is for mini tower, not server, neh ?
1128222;1431371236;ascii_field;aha
1128223;1431371241;ascii_field;1xcpu, 4core
1128224;1431371243;mircea_popescu;there is some residual interest in exploring this thing, because it will definitely become the standard in ru bureaucracy, and knowing its holes will allow us to complete our collection of michelle obama cockinmouth.jpg with all the random hos putin manhandles.
1128225;1431371245;ascii_field;basically demo unit
1128226;1431371246;mircea_popescu;but i suspect too early yet
1128227;1431371261;ascii_field;i'd buy in a hearbeat if had any lead on where.
1128228;1431371274;ascii_field;for approx. same reason as mircea_popescu
1128229;1431371286;mircea_popescu;ascii_field they're prolly looking atm.
1128230;1431371297;mircea_popescu;give it a coupla years, they won't even be able to fix anything anymore because of deployment
1128231;1431371307;mircea_popescu;you use a 0day now, you burn it.
1128232;1431371316;mircea_popescu;even testing for one might burn undiscovered ones.
1128233;1431371316;ascii_field;by the time we find it, it's ripe
1128234;1431371336;ascii_field;but i see a number of oddities right off the bat
1128235;1431371342;ascii_field;e.g., they appear to use foreign nic
1128236;1431371355;mircea_popescu;maybe just for the demo units
1128237;1431371379;ascii_field;and implication from brochure is that there is no native linux port, but uses x86 translatron
1128238;1431371387;mircea_popescu;ahaha wtf
1128239;1431371391;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: nah advertised for both
1128240;1431371396;ascii_field;(on vendor's site, specs)
1128241;1431371403;mircea_popescu;myea
1128242;1431371479;ascii_field;so from what i can see, 1) they cut every possible corner 2) rolled in x86 because unspoken 'winblows 4ever'
1128243;1431371494;ascii_field;and 3) no public docs whatsoever. i looked.
1128244;1431371543;mircea_popescu;i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc.
1128245;1431371558;ascii_field;'hybrid of bulldog and rhinoceros'
1128246;1431371569;ascii_field;they did it for same reason dec included x86 translator with alpha
1128247;1431371574;ascii_field;-- because microshit
1128248;1431371591;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128065 << then again that's how the russians sold cars, too.
1128249;1431371591;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 17:39:43; pete_dushenski: 'pay now, mebbe ship later'
1128250;1431371637;pete_dushenski;7 years later... it shows up.
1128251;1431371653;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128070 << this is much more valuable than it looks. run them in tandem.
1128252;1431371653;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:02; ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
1128253;1431371667;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: see rest of thread
1128254;1431371670;mircea_popescu;independence is built EXACTLY out of having access to all the flavours of idiocy
1128255;1431371675;mircea_popescu;that's why trade centers get fat.
1128256;1431371710;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128074 << transistor spec that fits in head, hopefully ?
1128257;1431371710;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:50; ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
1128258;1431371725;ascii_field;not so hard.
1128259;1431371728;mircea_popescu;(this is not as lulzy as it sounds. there MUST be a fractal pattern somewhere that also makes a machine)
1128260;1431371792;mircea_popescu;anyway, you KNOW most elbrus will be running excel in govt offices. so yes.
1128261;1431371793;mats;fun fact: SQLite compiles queries to a non-trivial VM https://www.sqlite.org/opcode.html
1128262;1431371794;assbot;SQLite Virtual Machine Opcodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd820l )
1128263;1431371803;ascii_field;machine that is -intended- for tandem operation in single yoke with identical units made by foreign skeptics operating from docs - must be purpose-designed.
1128264;1431371836;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc. << this is scary.  i'd think you'd lose all ops/clock-cycle optimizations doing some translation between the two right?
1128265;1431371843;mircea_popescu;right.
1128266;1431371856;mircea_popescu;it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc"
1128267;1431371860;thestringpuller;williamdunne: seems like d00d thinks GPG is a toy or marketing ploy.
1128268;1431371885;mircea_popescu;ascii_field success comes from a very patent absence of intent.
1128269;1431371898;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc" << lol
1128270;1431371906;mircea_popescu;intent being the general mark of impending failure.
1128271;1431371933;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: tandeming without a single point of failure - 'trusted' vote counter, etc. -- requires something like 'millionaire protocol' and purpose-designed iron.
1128272;1431371938;ascii_field;just the way it works.
1128273;1431371968;mircea_popescu;orly ? so how do the bitcoin nodes tandem ?
1128274;1431371983;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: poorly. see sync protocol for instance.
1128275;1431371987;mircea_popescu;clearly the largest use of tandem computing in the history of humanity, by any measure, by a very fat margin.
1128276;1431371995;mircea_popescu;ascii_field fuzzily, is the point.
1128277;1431372016;ascii_field;to take extant bitcoind as gold standard for anything whatsoever - is lunacy
1128278;1431372022;ascii_field;it is only standing because no one is pushing.
1128279;1431372023;mircea_popescu;you don't want the hard sort of thing you're thinking about. you just want an impredictable sort of tandem.
1128280;1431372031;mircea_popescu;o, they be pushing.
1128281;1431372042;ascii_field;pushing with strength of a child.
1128282;1431372042;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means.
1128283;1431372047;mircea_popescu;"gold standard for everything else"
1128284;1431372063;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the only reason you're not walking through walls is also, that you're pushing with the strength of a child.
1128285;1431372071;mircea_popescu;and not even a female child at that. katrina did way better than you.
1128286;1431372088;mircea_popescu;two week old!!1
1128287;1431372091;ascii_field;the proverbial wall-drilling blades of grass, aha
1128288;1431372210;ascii_field;<mircea_popescu> bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means << then very clearly we don't have bitcoin yet
1128289;1431372227;ascii_field;it still must be built.
1128290;1431372229;mircea_popescu;shut up and eat your beans.
1128291;1431372396;jurov;"x86 sparc" ofc this was tried. cue "transmeta crusoe"
1128292;1431372416;*;ascii_field remembers the astonishing - even for that era - hype around 'transmeta'
1128293;1431372491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27570 @ 0.00025689 = 7.0825 BTC [-]
1128294;1431372530;mircea_popescu;For checking if a string is empty, null or undefined I use:  return (!str || 0 === str.length); For checking if a string is blank, null or undefined I use:     return (!str || /^\s*$/.test(str)); For checking if a string is blank or contains only white-space:     return (this.length === 0 || !this.trim());
1128295;1431372536;mircea_popescu;dude this javascript thing...
1128296;1431372542;ascii_field;http://www.mcst.ru/files/523816/aa0cd8/50cb4e/000010/news_121229_2.jpg << small elbrus. also unobtainable afaik
1128297;1431372543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd8T0N )
1128298;1431372613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026075 = 7.5878 BTC [+]
1128299;1431372653;jurov;sooo, russia and china put export embargo to their crown jewels.
1128300;1431372678;ascii_field;jurov: as far as i can tell, not so much embargo as 'not enough to go around, so members-only'
1128301;1431372694;trinque;mircea_popescu: JS... only winning move...
1128302;1431372816;ascii_field;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqiYIidbwmY
1128303;1431372817;assbot;Российский процессор оказался неуязвимым ЭЛЬБРУС - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd9dgb )
1128304;1431372823;ascii_field;^ contains some tidbits not found elsewhere
1128305;1431372893;ascii_field;poor schmucks are almost certainly running 'systemd' from the looks of that demo screen
1128306;1431372897;trinque;DA TOUCHSCREEN UBUNTU KOMRADE, PRIDE OF SOVIET UNION
1128307;1431372950;trinque;!up ascii_field
1128308;1431373040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00026215 = 24.3275 BTC [+] {4} 
1128309;1431373089;mircea_popescu;fuck, i finally fixed it.
1128310;1431373091;mircea_popescu;if (newhash.length > 0) location.hash = newhash;
1128311;1431373125;mircea_popescu;win.
1128312;1431373134;mircea_popescu;i'm a javascript coder now!
1128313;1431373137;trinque;mircea_popescu: you can just use shitty javascript truthiness for that
1128314;1431373139;trinque;if(newhash)
1128315;1431373161;mircea_popescu;trinque well, took a while to figure out wtf actually needs testing in those two pages of blerg
1128316;1431373162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40572 @ 0.00026388 = 10.7061 BTC [+] {2} 
1128317;1431373171;trinque;unless newhash = undefined is meaningful to it
1128318;1431373174;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the dumbass page jumping when click behavuoyur has been fixed
1128319;1431373175;trinque;of course you've got null too
1128320;1431373181;trinque;gotta have both null and undefined
1128321;1431373197;mircea_popescu;and 0 and "" ?
1128322;1431373242;mircea_popescu;that's what i like about "typed" languages, you know ? if (i = "" or i =="" or i === "" or i = 0 or i == 0 or i === 0 or i &= null or i ^= undefined) fuck your mother.
1128323;1431373254;mircea_popescu;(obv null and undefined each get their own special equalities)
1128324;1431373290;ascii_field;js is one of the great crimes of the '90s 'digerati'
1128325;1431373309;mircea_popescu;it's just elbrus for the rest of us.
1128326;1431373336;trinque;undefined in js means the property or varname hasn't been given a value, whereas null is a value meaning... no value
1128327;1431373346;trinque;no need for two, it's not as though it uses that distinction for any benefit
1128328;1431373367;mircea_popescu;trinque i imagine ti must be useful when you're trying to exploit overflows.
1128329;1431373626;trinque;heh, JS's whole design philosophy being "create as much attack surface as possible"
1128330;1431373790;mircea_popescu;WEBSITE: By the Principality For the Principality   Website established under Royal Command by:   Inspector General, FM. Lord Steven G. P. Baikie, Earl of Tankerness KGCRO., ADC.,  Dip.Eng. (Electronics)., DSF., RHRL. & The Hon. Sir Phillip G. Baikie KIOM.  Maintained under Royal Command by:  PHR  I.T. Department
1128331;1431373798;mircea_popescu;bwahaha wtf. dipl eng (electronics) ? orly ?
1128332;1431373835;ascii_field;wai wat
1128333;1431373854;mircea_popescu;http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/Media_Release/Index.htm
1128334;1431373857;assbot;PHR Government - MEDIA RELEASES ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdawvv )
1128335;1431373888;ascii_field;l0l au version of 'sealand' ?
1128336;1431373922;ascii_field;interestingly,
1128337;1431373941;ascii_field;http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/PHR_Govt_Notice_of_False_Misleading_&_Fraudulent_Representation.htm << this kind of thing is a major problem for 'micronation' derps. but for some reason not one has, afaik, ever contemplated pgp.
1128338;1431373943;assbot;Principality of Hutt River Government  ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdaEv5 )
1128339;1431373959;ascii_field;which is the one and only pill against.
1128340;1431373965;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works.
1128341;1431373987;ascii_field;it 'works' by imbeciles shouting at one another, aha
1128342;1431373991;ascii_field;or so we are to suppose
1128343;1431373992;mircea_popescu;it works like so : the things people do shed no light on the things people can do. not anymore, at any rate.
1128344;1431374016;mircea_popescu;just because some twerp is in the doctor's room at the hospital doth not mean he's a doctor.
1128345;1431374034;mircea_popescu;guy in the oval office'd be best suited to carry heavy loads. stuff like that.
1128346;1431374061;mircea_popescu;nobody goes "you know what ? maybe this shit's really supposed to be done by someone who, unlike me, is not actually an imbecile."
1128347;1431374123;mircea_popescu;"why do you think you're an olympic athlete ?" "~~~BECAUSE~~~ I'm a quadriplegic. If I weren't, I wouldn't give a shit about the olympics, like everyone else."
1128348;1431374313;ascii_field;i can't imagine too many folks would be the least bit interested in discovering what they are 'best suited for'
1128349;1431374349;trinque;ah I dunno, depends when you ask them
1128350;1431374384;mircea_popescu;trinque how you mean ?
1128351;1431374416;mircea_popescu;ascii_field dude i must have missed some memos here. last i recall, that was pretty much the only point of interest. i blinked and now everyone seems to be running around trying to pretend like they can do things they most obviously can't.
1128352;1431374431;mircea_popescu;it looks so badly like water poisoning you can't imagine.
1128353;1431374450;mircea_popescu;"TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."
1128354;1431374451;ascii_field;wai wat
1128355;1431374457;trinque;anyone remotely useful tends to actually enjoy the structure of being given a worthwhile task
1128356;1431374469;mircea_popescu;contrary to what the guy claims, the bugs he found appear to be in the power rangers "consensus" library, not in conformals'.
1128357;1431374474;trinque;even if it's just some physical, menial task
1128358;1431374476;mircea_popescu;who was here from conformal, i forget ?
1128359;1431374503;mircea_popescu;ascii_field which part ? trinque sure, yes. so then, depends who you ask ?
1128360;1431374528;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the part about 'that was pretty much the only point of interest'
1128361;1431374575;mats;mircea_popescu: davec i believe
1128362;1431374596;mircea_popescu;!up davec yo. about this jonas nick fellow ?
1128363;1431374607;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: dhill as well iirc
1128364;1431374625;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for as long as i can remember, the entire point, of school, and of intellectual activity of young people, was to find wtf they're good for.
1128365;1431374628;trinque;mircea_popescu: point of my statement was that if the person's put to what they're actually best suited for, their opinion if it matters at all isn't worth hearing until they've felt what it's like
1128366;1431374629;mircea_popescu;not in your experience ?
1128367;1431374657;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: from schoolmaster's point of view - yes
1128368;1431374679;mircea_popescu;trinque well entirely different consideration, this. i was looking at it from the subjective perspective. nevermind what the world tells you to do. why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? it's as if at the orchestra auditions everyone wanted to play the instruments they sucked at.
1128369;1431374687;ascii_field;from student's point of view - to get himself credentialled/blessed for something closest to wtf he feels like doing
1128370;1431374706;mircea_popescu;weird.
1128371;1431374716;ascii_field; why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ?  << who wants to be biodiesel ?
1128372;1431374727;mircea_popescu;biodiesel.
1128373;1431374742;mircea_popescu;what, you thought it wanted to be pots and pans ?
1128374;1431374760;trinque;on the one hand this is "what's to be done with all these walmart morons" and the other is "what's to be done with healthy humans"
1128375;1431374762;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: but, to quote the standard ru prison tattoo, 'dum spiro spero'
1128376;1431374776;ascii_field;while the biodiesel still has arms and legs, it does not want to go to the reactor pot.
1128377;1431374789;trinque;sure, make candles of 'em; but if we're going into long-term biodiesel production human stock's not nearly the best choice
1128378;1431374801;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i'd say "wow, check out the weird divide between eastern europe and the us", but it's not it. tons upon tons of livresque reference to this exact thing, in english too.
1128379;1431374810;mircea_popescu;"finding one's way" and whatnot. all the way through the 90s
1128380;1431374814;mircea_popescu;when it suddenly went poof.
1128381;1431374816;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1128382;1431374840;trinque;best times in my career have been when some older guy said "make X, and do it precisely this way"
1128383;1431374851;mircea_popescu;well yes
1128384;1431374902;jurov;worst times in mine
1128385;1431374910;trinque;jurov: why's that?
1128386;1431374929;jurov;maybe it was not the right older dude
1128387;1431374933;jurov;dunno
1128388;1431374960;trinque;of course that matters
1128389;1431374997;trinque;in the case where the older dude has made something of himself already, he knows tasks the novice won't ever think of doing himself, novice comes away having found out he can build an X
1128390;1431375105;trinque;I tend to think there's a lot more learned helplessness out there than actual uselessness.
1128391;1431375116;trinque;just labor's too expensive
1128392;1431375130;jurov;lmao. it involved building the X, literally
1128393;1431375146;trinque;"my god... two lines.... crossed!"
1128394;1431375148;trinque;jurov: exactly!
1128395;1431375151;trinque;lol
1128396;1431375162;ascii_field;thing is, 'being judged re: what one is best for' has a baked-in implication of brute slavemarket
1128397;1431375175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67075 @ 0.00025416 = 17.0478 BTC [-] {2} 
1128398;1431375203;mircea_popescu;trinque this is exactly it. to use my spiffy new js quote, http://trilema.com/2014/patriarchy-is-a-thing-because-nobody-likes-living-in-a-world-populated-by-little-girls/#selection-115.29-119.225
1128399;1431375204;assbot;Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASqBPD )
1128400;1431375236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14375 @ 0.00024688 = 3.5489 BTC [-]
1128401;1431375321;trinque;it didn't select the text that time, but plonked me on the paragraph
1128402;1431375336;*;jurov was asked to extract relevant code from libxpm so that they can have color icons without dynamically linking it
1128403;1431375360;*;jurov had to explain and provide sample that it's not really possible
1128404;1431375378;mircea_popescu;jurov this does not seem what he said AT ALL.
1128405;1431375422;trinque;mircea_popescu: exactly right though; when college didn't provide that experience for me, I left it and went to work for the entrepreneurs I knew, learned there
1128406;1431375439;jurov;yes, the diffrence is my older dudes were asking me something they *did not*  ever do themselves.
1128407;1431375477;trinque;this is not to say that college cannot provide the experience, but that the shitty one I was paid to attend did not
1128408;1431375507;mircea_popescu;jurov your "older dudes" are simply idiots. what he meant was "people who know this"
1128409;1431375540;ascii_field;very few folks have the good fortune of a proper apprenticeship
1128410;1431375542;*;ascii_field did not
1128411;1431375557;mircea_popescu;prolly the principal value of #b-a.
1128412;1431375567;mircea_popescu;in many a young man's life, it's the first time when someone says "DO X!"
1128413;1431375577;mircea_popescu;they usually do not, which is indicative of just how badly brought up they are.
1128414;1431375602;mircea_popescu;i blame the whores that fucked the drunks to spawn them.
1128415;1431375679;ascii_field;what of the masters, whose teachings consist of 'go reinstall winblows for the 111th time' ?
1128416;1431375698;ascii_field;this is supposed to teach the value of following a master ?
1128417;1431375715;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. are they or aren't they ?
1128418;1431375731;mircea_popescu;if you equivocate between master and idiot, don't expect me to be able to say much
1128419;1431375742;ascii_field;'we go to war with the army we have'
1128420;1431375794;mircea_popescu;a vast majority of the great she-cooks i know (younger than me) started their cook life by being made to cut cabbage, and beaten for cutting it badly. and made to cut more.
1128421;1431375818;ascii_field;cabbage (or the proverbial potato-peel-detail) are points in a progression to somewhere.
1128422;1431375820;mircea_popescu;there is some value in the "go reinstall windows for the 11th time". the only issue is, who gives the order.
1128423;1431375833;mircea_popescu;and no, you CAN NOT establish if X is or is not "master" by reading the orders.
1128424;1431375840;mircea_popescu;anymore than you can establish if bits are code or data.
1128425;1431375862;trinque;step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel
1128426;1431375867;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's only a progression to somewhere sometimes.
1128427;1431375869;trinque;heh, the task was to flatten them out into a driveway
1128428;1431375870;mircea_popescu;some other times, you suck.
1128429;1431375885;trinque;there was a backhoe nearby
1128430;1431375904;trinque;it knocks the shithead out of you so you listen better when the task is more important
1128431;1431375926;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=344&pr=0
1128432;1431375928;assbot;JL: Boxing for MMA: Fundamentals ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2DM9g )
1128433;1431375937;trinque;also teaches you to stop being a pussy in the face of every hard task
1128434;1431375938;mircea_popescu;"A kid comes into a boxing gym. Your job as a coach is to discourage him so that he quits early on and does not waste your time."
1128435;1431375942;mircea_popescu;guy gets it well enough.
1128436;1431375944;trinque;heh there you go
1128437;1431375982;mircea_popescu;at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck.
1128438;1431376012;mircea_popescu;the one thing redditards dedicate their lives to avoiding.
1128439;1431376017;mircea_popescu;and yes, it IS tantamout to rape, all this.
1128440;1431376025;mircea_popescu;their notion of rape, at any rate.
1128441;1431376049;trinque;of course I had no idea what I was being taught until later
1128442;1431376060;trinque;thought the guy was just having a twisted laugh watching me shovel
1128443;1431376070;mircea_popescu;maybe he was.
1128444;1431376080;mircea_popescu;there's not even any possible relation between the two, is the thing.
1128445;1431376089;trinque;between what?
1128446;1431376097;mircea_popescu;between what he was doing and what you were doing.
1128447;1431376122;mircea_popescu;think of it as separate machines. what the meaning of data is in X, as it passes it to Y, matters little for Y. and vice-versa.
1128448;1431376135;trinque;hm yeah, whatever he meant of it and whatever I gained from it are distinct
1128449;1431376137;mircea_popescu;Y will take it, in its own context, and do something with it.
1128450;1431376138;trinque;I see your point
1128451;1431376150;mircea_popescu;X is responsible to passing the right data, not to "passing the right data in the right internal context"
1128452;1431376190;trinque;right, the pile of rocks could've been a papua new guinean tradition nobody had a coherent reason for
1128453;1431376203;mircea_popescu;or actually a sadistic streak.
1128454;1431376221;trinque;dunno that I'd count it against him if it was
1128455;1431376243;mircea_popescu;exactly. which is the biggest problem for the touchy-feely types. absolutely HORRID people can make exceptional teachers
1128456;1431376261;trinque;yeah nobody I've learned from was a sweetheart
1128457;1431376308;trinque;points at a thing I don't have a word for.
1128458;1431376349;trinque;the difference between the naive, single-step "compassion" and the longer view, which involves pain, suffering, so on, but a better outcome
1128459;1431376473;ascii_field;<mircea_popescu> at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck. << the popular version of this was, iirc, 'the bad dancer is hindered by his own arse'
1128460;1431376508;mircea_popescu;also the fact that each of his legs is longer than the other.
1128461;1431376513;ascii_field;aha.
1128462;1431376639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107167 @ 0.00024659 = 26.4263 BTC [-] {2} 
1128463;1431376843;*;mircea_popescu fondly recalls elena dragos. woman was a bit of a famous thing in cluj at the time. an entire year, 180ish students HATED the woman.
1128464;1431376859;mircea_popescu;we got along great. i think might have been my favourite teacher.
1128465;1431376877;mircea_popescu;the woman's sin ? she just... didn't think very much of random teenagers. this, terribru sin for the teenagers in question.
1128466;1431377218;decimation;Happy Feast of St. Cyril & St. Methodius!
1128467;1431377455;jurov;what?
1128468;1431377483;jurov;we celebrate these two at 5th of July
1128469;1431378557;jurov;!up yhwh_
1128470;1431378591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00026022 = 12.5166 BTC [+] {2} 
1128471;1431378967;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35lgre/bitcoin_network_simulator_we_need_a_simulation/ << "We need something like testnet, just not testnet."
1128472;1431379243;jurov;http://www.explo.yt/GBTC_Bitcoin_Investment_Trust_2015-05-11_23.10.09.png going strong!!!1
1128473;1431379244;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeLW1C )
1128474;1431379280;jurov;37.98-94.86 hahaha
1128475;1431379489;*;jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD
1128476;1431379567;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 8050 @ 0.000206 = 1.6583 BTC [-]
1128477;1431379603;jurov;!mpif
1128478;1431379604;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]
1128479;1431379750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.0002502 = 7.8563 BTC [-]
1128480;1431380135;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128371 <<< maximum kek
1128481;1431380135;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 20:05:16; ascii_field:  why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ?  << who wants to be biodiesel ?
1128482;1431380303;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2342&pr=0
1128483;1431380304;assbot;JL: The Return of Men? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeOwoo )
1128484;1431380655;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128425 <<< american version of a traumatic childhood?
1128485;1431380655;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 20:24:22; trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel
1128486;1431380667;trinque;what, doing work?
1128487;1431380685;trinque;I should probably go get some pills for that
1128488;1431380693;cazalla;and see a therapist :P
1128489;1431380819;trinque;http://www.tnellen.com/westside/harrison.pdf
1128490;1431380820;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PePAbP )
1128491;1431380865;davout;jurov: wrt that GBTC thing, it says "each represents ownership of approximately 0.1 BTC", wtf *approximately*?
1128492;1431380912;jurov;i did not feel like examining exact details of that braindamage
1128493;1431380918;cazalla;anyway, having your step son shovel rocks sounds like a good way for the guy to bang your mum without you interrupting
1128494;1431380985;trinque;damn! that makes it clear
1128495;1431380987;trinque;lol
1128496;1431381013;davout;thestringpuller: "We need something like testnet, just not testnet." <<< the thing is that testnet doesn't even behave like actual bitcoin, because magic rules, because reasons
1128497;1431381099;jurov;pity we don't have TaT around anymore. he could have pitched altcoin to them
1128498;1431381136;mircea_popescu;* jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD << i would, if i didn't know in advance that the entire charade is entirely outside of any sort of economical considerations.
1128499;1431381207;jurov;;;seen thickasthieves
1128500;1431381208;gribble;thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
1128501;1431381228;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fwiw i think he's smoking corn cobbs. srsly, if some woman needs me to walk everywhere with her i dun want anything to do with her. learn to kungfu.
1128502;1431381269;BingoBoingo;Sounds reasonabru
1128503;1431381280;mircea_popescu;davout has it. testnet is about as useful to testing bitcoin as it is to testing litecoin.
1128504;1431381316;jurov;http://atc.blockr.io/ lol still lives!
1128505;1431381316;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey3j2c )
1128506;1431381335;mircea_popescu;o wow ?
1128507;1431381349;davout;also i finally understand why the power rangers think checkpoints are a good idea
1128508;1431381372;mircea_popescu;11 blocks in 30 days ?
1128509;1431381372;davout;"because otherwise one would notice that the synchronization protocol is absolutely and completely broken"
1128510;1431381384;mircea_popescu;davout among other things, yes.
1128511;1431381397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00025764 = 7.9353 BTC [+] {2} 
1128512;1431381402;mircea_popescu;they have a solid tradition of covering old shit that;s starting to stink with freshly laid shit.
1128513;1431381405;mircea_popescu;monkeys.
1128514;1431381456;davout;it would be pretty lulzy to actually fix it in 0.5.3.1 and then "backport" it to 0.11
1128515;1431381485;mircea_popescu;odds of that are low, seeing how a) they're too stupid-proud to do it and b) we got better shit to do than maintain dead forks.
1128516;1431381518;mircea_popescu;taking shit from b-a log and pretending like your "expert" economists finally figured it out a month later is one thing. taking code and backporting it is harder to deny.
1128517;1431381730;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meaa8uqOfN1qeyx9go1_1280.jpg
1128518;1431381731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey4AWV )
1128519;1431382373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45268 @ 0.00024372 = 11.0327 BTC [-] {4} 
1128520;1431384575;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Mm soft-launch of the one that I shall be re-launching soonish ^tm >>> i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange
1128521;1431384619;mircea_popescu;if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
1128522;1431384631;mircea_popescu;prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first.
1128523;1431384633;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ? <<< All email communications were encrypted, and they could communicate with me directly in an encrypted manner. No order entry tho
1128524;1431384633;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
1128525;1431384686;williamdunne;19:22:10 - davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit << it was stupidity at its finest, pretty sure they only implemented GPG for another buzzword
1128526;1431384691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70383 @ 0.00024066 = 16.9384 BTC [-]
1128527;1431384721;williamdunne;Sorry was just going over the logs didn't see your message
1128528;1431384738;williamdunne;23:50:20 - mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
1128529;1431384738;williamdunne;23:50:31 - mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first. <<< we're doing the KYC bs on the first exchange
1128530;1431384747;williamdunne;Then there will be a separate exchange in the future without the BS
1128531;1431384753;mircea_popescu;heh.
1128532;1431384754;williamdunne;mabbeh
1128533;1431384774;williamdunne;You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat
1128534;1431384780;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/2493d3bccce515da983cd8e6ab5e0925/tumblr_mznsdvwQCC1r2sy0fo1_500.gif << and she's going to be a princess.
1128535;1431384781;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7b1H1 )
1128536;1431384782;mircea_popescu;one day.
1128537;1431384783;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1128538;1431384829;williamdunne;She's her daddy's princess
1128539;1431384891;mircea_popescu;quite. and exactly the same with kyc. if you implement the us rules, you're stuck working for the us. it probably doesn't want you to be doing this, and consequently, you are only allowed to "do it" if you don't actually do it, and for as long as you bring money from home.
1128540;1431384893;ben_vulpes;<williamdunne> You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat << mhhhhhm.
1128541;1431384923;mircea_popescu;otherwise, lawsky has his own guy that bribed him to do it, and whoever else has whoever else, and none of those schmucks is you.
1128542;1431384967;williamdunne;It won't be me doing it
1128543;1431384989;williamdunne;Directly anyway
1128544;1431385019;mircea_popescu;nothing changes. let's work an example to get what we mean.
1128545;1431385114;mircea_popescu;so, you wish to grow tomatoes. you can either grow tomatoes on land owned by old man KYC, who offers the following deal : "you may [pretend like] you're growing tomatoes here, provided you suck my cock for longer than you derp in the garden, and if any tomatoes grow up you owe me twice as many tomatoes on top of those tomatoes", or you could grow them on unrelated land. which may or may not be able to grow tomatoes in
1128546;1431385115;mircea_popescu;the first place, and may or may not be inhabited by poisonous alien flying earthworms.
1128547;1431385128;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.
1128548;1431385144;mircea_popescu;now... to answer this you're telling me that you wouldn't be doing the planting directly ? what difference does it make.
1128549;1431385155;ben_vulpes;no, the *sucking*
1128550;1431385164;mircea_popescu;that's not optional.
1128551;1431385175;ben_vulpes;b-b-but that's the compliant guy's job!
1128552;1431385183;mircea_popescu;right.
1128553;1431385209;mircea_popescu;because that's totally how the mob works, "hey, i don't owe you money, that was my other personality / sister / neighbour"
1128554;1431385280;ben_vulpes;"noice likkle exchange ew've got there"
1128555;1431385285;ben_vulpes;"shame if anything were to..."
1128556;1431385294;ben_vulpes;"...happen to it."
1128557;1431385307;*;ben_vulpes topples a rack of servers
1128558;1431385322;ben_vulpes;"oh goodness. wot a tragedy."
1128559;1431385377;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if only that guy with the younger queen of spades gf had had the sense to do this, you know ? "hey, i just own the team. go fire my racism guy if you don';t like my being racist"
1128560;1431385459;ben_vulpes;i don't know that story
1128561;1431385477;trinque;old dude owned a basketball team and said something not even that racist
1128562;1431385495;trinque;about his rented gf not being photographed with black men, but she could fuck 'em
1128563;1431385529;trinque;Donald Sterling
1128564;1431385647;cazalla;and with the imminent aussie budget due, muh country slide further down the drain.. "A new tax on bank deposits to build a fund that could be used in the event of a banking collapse. In a handy little boost, the money would also sit on the budget balance sheet. "
1128565;1431385677;williamdunne;Negative interest rates'll be next
1128566;1431385701;mircea_popescu;cazalla lmao
1128567;1431385712;ben_vulpes;http://emacs-users.shithouse.tv/
1128568;1431385712;assbot;emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYhWt )
1128569;1431385718;ben_vulpes;http://vim-users.shithouse.tv/
1128570;1431385719;assbot;vim-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYj0A )
1128571;1431385723;ben_vulpes;http://real-vim-users.shithouse.tv/
1128572;1431385724;assbot;real-vim-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYl8N )
1128573;1431385727;ben_vulpes;http://real-emacs-users.shithouse.tv/
1128574;1431385728;assbot;real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYjO8 )
1128575;1431385746;trinque;oh no, the shitposting... it's leaking!
1128576;1431385756;mircea_popescu;...
1128577;1431385808;ben_vulpes;http://real-unix-users.shithouse.tv/
1128578;1431385809;assbot;real-unix-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYwks )
1128579;1431386144;ben_vulpes;wait cazalla this is a cypressalike?
1128580;1431386303;cazalla;ben_vulpes, no specific details yet afaik, but this country is fucked regardless
1128581;1431386458;cazalla;reports from earlier in the year suggest 0.05% on deposits up to $250,00 AUD
1128582;1431386948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37558 @ 0.00024066 = 9.0387 BTC [-]
1128583;1431387081;decimation;jurov: re: st. cyril & methoius < apparently it depends on whether you use the julian calendar
1128584;1431387193;decimation;and apparently in slovakia & czech republic it is 5 july, because pope pius ix said so
1128585;1431387216;decimation;http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/cyrilmethodiusholidayhistory.html
1128586;1431387217;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWqfwM )
1128587;1431388168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56597 @ 0.00024066 = 13.6206 BTC [-]
1128588;1431388572;asciilifeform;http://real-emacs-users.shithouse.tv << aha.
1128589;1431388573;assbot;real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsdNu )
1128590;1431388595;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 14000 @ 0.000207 = 2.898 BTC [+]
1128591;1431388636;trinque;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e1/78/20/e17820c0bf8a3fb9cf56dbe83abf6a55.jpg << I found another.
1128592;1431388637;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsi3N )
1128593;1431388650;trinque;as you can see, the suit's perfectly conformed to his unique form
1128594;1431388679;trinque;eh dunno if that's tape
1128595;1431388693;asciilifeform;trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << my ancient attempt
1128596;1431388695;assbot;Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsobK )
1128597;1431388778;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10510 @ 0.000207 = 2.1756 BTC [+]
1128598;1431388780;trinque;heh
1128599;1431388813;*;trinque checks the climacs page for activity
1128600;1431388816;trinque;2008
1128601;1431389083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00024215 = 13.2577 BTC [+] {2} 
1128602;1431389172;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128547 << to complete the painting, you build a telescope - out of sight of the demented old bastard - and see thermonuked wasteland around, no tomato in sight. then you build a spark gap radio and discover that on other side of planet, there are a few quasi-functioning tomato gardens. perhaps one or two per continent.
1128603;1431389172;assbot;Logged on 11-05-2015 22:58:48; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.
1128604;1431389197;asciilifeform;then you sit and go, 'hm, wtf, how'
1128605;1431389205;mircea_popescu;fly, piggy, fly!
1128606;1431389235;*;asciilifeform pictures pig with fat messerschmitt engine
1128607;1431389241;decimation;asciilifeform: or you discover that there are no tomatoes anywhere outside the garden
1128608;1431389269;asciilifeform;speaking of, i finally saw a me262 recently
1128609;1431389285;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see the wwii aircraft fly over the mall?
1128610;1431389288;asciilifeform;nope
1128611;1431389298;decimation;where was the me262? dulles airport museum?
1128612;1431389301;asciilifeform;this one was in the museum, but somehow i never noticed it
1128613;1431389302;asciilifeform;the other one
1128614;1431389311;decimation;the udvar-hazy museum?
1128615;1431389315;asciilifeform;the other other one
1128616;1431389322;asciilifeform;'national air & space'
1128617;1431389338;asciilifeform;hadn't been there since was a schoolboy, and went again
1128618;1431389348;decimation;oh the one downtown?
1128619;1431389350;asciilifeform;aha
1128620;1431389361;decimation;yeah they update stuff every once in awhile
1128621;1431389378;decimation;actually I think the best aircraft museum in the us is the air force museum in dayton, oh
1128622;1431389383;asciilifeform;hilariously, the bouncer at first threw me out - on account of my very small pocket knife. had to go and bury it.
1128623;1431389396;decimation;yeah that's what I did too
1128624;1431389400;asciilifeform;l0l!
1128625;1431389412;decimation;I bet if you went down to the grounds with a metal detector you could find 1000 knives
1128626;1431389441;asciilifeform;hide in metallic object always
1128627;1431389444;trinque;they tell you specifically to *bury* it? like a cat turd?
1128628;1431389448;asciilifeform;no one 'told'
1128629;1431389451;asciilifeform;bouncer just kicked out
1128630;1431389456;trinque;ah
1128631;1431389456;decimation;nah they have bushes outside
1128632;1431389461;asciilifeform;there's a whole park outside
1128633;1431389471;asciilifeform;plenty of room
1128634;1431389518;asciilifeform;other funny bit re: museum - they had a 'drones' exhibit, with all the major well-known types
1128635;1431389518;decimation;the museum at dulles has the b-29 that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki
1128636;1431389534;asciilifeform;decimation: i recall when the guy was on tour
1128637;1431389538;asciilifeform;heard part of his talk
1128638;1431389579;decimation;once I was trapped on the mall during a summer thunderstorm
1128639;1431389601;decimation;weirdly there aren't any decent restrants/cafes within a short walk
1128640;1431389613;asciilifeform;so in the 'drones' hall, they had an 'rq-3a' ( http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A20070230000 ) and its arse and mouth were glued shut
1128641;1431389614;assbot;Lockheed Martin/Boeing RQ-3A DarkStar | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWtWT8 )
1128642;1431389618;asciilifeform;'because s33kr1t!!111!111'
1128643;1431389663;decimation;I found the best place to shelter was the indian museum - they have a great cafe that serves 'authentic' indian food.  I had chips & salsa and a beer.
1128644;1431389702;decimation;asciilifeform: as I recall they now have a joint strike fighter at dulles - with the vertical takeoff variant
1128645;1431389755;decimation;plus, all 50000 tourists want to huddle in the air & space museum, nobody gives a shit about indians
1128646;1431389771;asciilifeform;that one was extremely depressing
1128647;1431389781;asciilifeform;i went once. nearly 100% recognizably-europeanized artifacts
1128648;1431389801;asciilifeform;'shit they pawned off on the indians' museum.
1128649;1431389814;decimation;yeah but the chips & salsa were good
1128650;1431389869;decimation;If you want depressing, go to a real indian reservation out west somewhere
1128651;1431389879;decimation;most of them are drunk, live in depressing hovels
1128652;1431389896;asciilifeform;i think i kinda live in something like this already
1128653;1431389903;decimation;heh
1128654;1431389907;asciilifeform;not sure what i need more of it for.
1128655;1431389933;ben_vulpes;http://evergreenmuseum.org/ http://www.tillamookair.com/aircraft/ << reasons to visit, asciilifeform
1128656;1431389935;assbot;Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum |  Wings & Waves Waterpark | McMinnville Oregon ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuwQL )
1128657;1431389936;assbot;Aircraft — Tillamook Air Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuyIn )
1128658;1431389942;ben_vulpes;the former has lotsa rokkits!
1128659;1431389965;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: neato
1128660;1431389966;decimation;I went to the boeing museum in seattle once, it was pretty neat too.  you could walk through nixon's air force one
1128661;1431389990;asciilifeform;'The kit includes all components necessary for construction of the aircraft body up to the firewall, pre-cut and pre-bent.' (http://www.tillamookair.com/chris-teena-mini-coupe)
1128662;1431390007;ben_vulpes;redstones and h1s and j2s oh my!
1128663;1431390011;asciilifeform;^ these get nowhere near enough museum space. the 'boring' car-like airplanes that 'everyone will have' in the future-of-the-past.
1128664;1431390024;asciilifeform;also depressing though
1128665;1431390036;decimation;asciilifeform: a museum that contains nothing but false promises?
1128666;1431390041;asciilifeform;at one point, airplanes were supposed to 'happen' sorta like personal computer was going to
1128667;1431390060;asciilifeform;except the buggers (for various reasons, not all 'evil') - won.
1128668;1431390072;decimation;actually I think aircraft could become much more 'personal', but usg has sat upon them
1128669;1431390083;asciilifeform;so aviation looks quite like what personal computing will look like in a decade or two.
1128670;1431390098;decimation;yeah, depressing thought
1128671;1431390107;ben_vulpes;"either build it by hand or lease time on someone else's system"?
1128672;1431390107;asciilifeform;'do strictly prescribed things except if you're rich and willing to fill out paperwork for every hour you want to do whatever'
1128673;1431390115;decimation;usg event wants to sit upon hobbyists who fly r/c aircraft
1128674;1431390167;decimation;suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people
1128675;1431390169;asciilifeform;i fully expect that being so much as found with a model propeller will be grounds for '25 to life' after the first quadcopter explodes somewhere interesting
1128676;1431390238;ben_vulpes;subject of
1128677;1431390248;ben_vulpes;let's smuggle things into argentina with roboblimps
1128678;1431390261;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes missed the thread where we 'did' this one ?
1128679;1431390269;ben_vulpes;ars specifically?
1128680;1431390284;ben_vulpes;i recall the one where you lamented nobody doing transoceanic trips with dirigibles
1128681;1431390362;mod6;Todays update of v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/2V038DK.txt [ Full Sync Achieved ]
1128682;1431390363;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWv8G8 )
1128683;1431390383;mod6;And it never died.
1128684;1431390390;ben_vulpes;noiiiice.
1128685;1431390394;ben_vulpes;wd asciilifeform, mod6
1128686;1431390397;mod6;great work asciilifeform!
1128687;1431390398;asciilifeform;wai wat
1128688;1431390425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39873 @ 0.00023978 = 9.5607 BTC [-]
1128689;1431390426;*;ben_vulpes has forgotten if 0.5.3.1 did away with checkpoints
1128690;1431390438;mod6;it did not
1128691;1431390448;mod6;check points are included.
1128692;1431390483;ben_vulpes;dat poorly factored sync process.
1128693;1431390555;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: found it. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << that one
1128694;1431390555;assbot;Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
1128695;1431390593;asciilifeform;mod6: i assume you read my 'valgrind' outputs ?
1128696;1431390640;mod6;I did look through them.
1128697;1431390642;asciilifeform;thing appears to run in approximately constant memory footprint, but far too large for 'pogo' etc. and very suggestive of fragging
1128698;1431390682;mod6;yeah, i can say, that it looks like (from my testing) that it did use pretty much almost all of the RAM available to my environment.
1128699;1431390699;mod6;however, it did not die. which is a first for me.
1128700;1431390710;asciilifeform;mod6: did you distinguish diskcache-ram from actual process footprint ?
1128701;1431390723;asciilifeform;because the former is unbounded, but will never oomkill the process
1128702;1431390745;asciilifeform;see http://www.linuxatemyram.com
1128703;1431390746;assbot;Help! Linux ate my RAM! ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWvHj0 )
1128704;1431390774;mod6;well, a lot of it was cached, yes. as opposed to "free" or "buffered"
1128705;1431390845;asciilifeform;http://static1.squarespace.com/static/538c9b1ae4b029b17b1cc5b3/54bbfa3ae4b06f2c55f459b9/54bbfa3be4b06f2c55f459bb/1421605435527/Camel+A-7.jpg?format=750w << l0l
1128706;1431390847;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWvNY2 )
1128707;1431390851;mod6;-/+ buffers/cache:     673144    3255776
1128708;1431390853;asciilifeform;^ from ben_vulpes's airplanes link
1128709;1431390866;mod6;(from my dpaste)
1128710;1431390932;mod6;so i guess I'm wrong then, if that 3255776 bytes is actually available
1128711;1431390939;danielpbarron;collateral damage or target practice?
1128712;1431390999;ben_vulpes;"the prinary concerns of the Air Force as of 1010 are the establishment of a radar network for control of the country's airspace..." << hyuu
1128713;1431391026;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as in original thread, i will point out that dirigibles (aside from being blown off-course more often than not, and being stuck doing idiotic things like venting lift gas) have gigantic radar cross-sections
1128714;1431391032;mod6;but anyway, yeah if it's still too large for the pogo, i guess that doesn't help us exactly.
1128715;1431391032;asciilifeform;(not to mention visual)
1128716;1431391086;asciilifeform;mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram
1128717;1431391102;asciilifeform;because no way in hell does that thing actually -need- 200+M
1128718;1431391106;asciilifeform;to do its thing
1128719;1431391140;ben_vulpes;stop killing my dweeeeams
1128720;1431391152;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, makes sense.
1128721;1431391199;ben_vulpes;(i'm not ignorant of the radar issue, for the record. i just so happen to think the ars response would be "nothing could really be that big" and other interesting things."
1128722;1431391205;ben_vulpes;s/"/)
1128723;1431391221;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: depends on whether this is the first airship or the 1111st.
1128724;1431391228;asciilifeform;(flight, rather)
1128725;1431391238;ben_vulpes;and if 1111st, why bother with the investigation?
1128726;1431391248;asciilifeform;eventually, even idiots - learn.
1128727;1431391248;ben_vulpes;warhead/cicada dynamics.
1128728;1431391296;asciilifeform;consider autonomous submarines (torpedo-sized) alternatively. far easier to hide in the ocean, esp. if you're small, electric, and in no hurry whatsoever - than in the air.
1128729;1431391311;asciilifeform;(can eject payload on quadchopper once reach enemy shore, yes)
1128730;1431391329;asciilifeform;submarine has the virtue of not falling down and exploding if it runs out of juice
1128731;1431391343;asciilifeform;can 'energy harvest' (see, e.g., esp8266 threads) etc.
1128732;1431391424;mod6;alright, so I'm gonna wrap up this gentoo stage3 guide, and then I'll dig in and see if I can find what's going on in there.
1128733;1431391461;*;ben_vulpes ponders submarines
1128734;1431391586;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128664 << it's a fucking stupid idea.
1128735;1431391586;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 00:20:24; asciilifeform: also depressing though
1128736;1431391596;mircea_popescu;the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES.
1128737;1431391643;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128674 << not suddenly. once the usg got involved. it has the shidas touch.
1128738;1431391643;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 00:22:47; decimation: suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people
1128739;1431391775;mircea_popescu;there's a reason drug cartels use subs not blimps
1128740;1431391843;ben_vulpes;i have a romantic attachment to the atomic dirigible!
1128741;1431391858;mircea_popescu;in other news, "We always used condoms before, and we both agreed he's only going to fuck my ass now that we're married. We both love the symbolism � I'll be shitting out his weak sperm while superior black men's seed will soak into my womb as nature intended."
1128742;1431391859;ben_vulpes;with babes and children swinging from the guy wires!
1128743;1431391869;*;ben_vulpes flinches
1128744;1431392051;trinque;"will soak into my womb" lol
1128745;1431392067;trinque;gut-o-meter says a dude wrote that
1128746;1431392140;mircea_popescu;seems pretty els.
1128747;1431392257;ben_vulpes;extra letter syndrome?
1128748;1431392295;mircea_popescu;english as a language secundary.
1128749;1431393414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50621 @ 0.00024273 = 12.2872 BTC [+] {2} 
1128750;1431393475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15382 @ 0.00024576 = 3.7803 BTC [+]
1128751;1431393525;danielpbarron;http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/supplement-company-under-fire-for-body-shaming-guess-why/
1128752;1431393526;assbot;Supplement Company Under Fire For "Body Shaming." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fa7Hck )
1128753;1431393539;mircea_popescu;!up Kalki
1128754;1431393549;mircea_popescu;"under fire" ? what exactly does that mean ?
1128755;1431393573;mircea_popescu;"a bunch of fat slobs with too much time on their hands and a govt-subsidized internet connection are mashing keyboards" ?
1128756;1431393581;Kalki;Hi, and thanks...
1128757;1431393588;mircea_popescu;ello. who're you ?
1128758;1431393631;Kalki;just an explorer who stumbled onto Trilema
1128759;1431393649;mircea_popescu;ah i c.
1128760;1431393706;Kalki;really enjoying the writing!
1128761;1431393734;mircea_popescu;anything in particular ?
1128762;1431393745;mircea_popescu;in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/e2ee7e04c2577655bc8aa69b393caf58/tumblr_mesvhfBhNW1rpfeuyo1_1280.jpg where have all the female bellies went ?
1128763;1431393746;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fa8071 )
1128764;1431393748;danielpbarron;apparently the fire backfired and scored the company more sales
1128765;1431393751;Kalki;nah I just love words
1128766;1431393754;*;mircea_popescu is not that crazy about the workout flats.
1128767;1431393767;Kalki;still acclimating....
1128768;1431393781;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what was that company that was "under fire" for something or other to do with gay marriage, ended up with booming sales ?
1128769;1431393822;trinque;was it chick fil a?
1128770;1431393838;danielpbarron;probably them ya
1128771;1431393839;mircea_popescu;ah yeah
1128772;1431393858;trinque;who gives a shit what a chicken sandwich company says about anything other than the sandwiches?
1128773;1431393901;danielpbarron;it happened to me too. s'why I purged all social media of any reference to having a job
1128774;1431393920;trinque;danielpbarron: said something about teh gays your job didn't like?
1128775;1431393948;danielpbarron;something mean about the senator that got shot in the face
1128776;1431393961;mircea_popescu;a senator got shot in the face ?
1128777;1431393964;trinque;that chick
1128778;1431393968;mircea_popescu;you mean, with a gun ? i mean... rifle ?
1128779;1431393970;danielpbarron;gabby giffords
1128780;1431393971;trinque;from one of the shitty desert states
1128781;1431393973;trinque;yep
1128782;1431393985;danielpbarron;yes with a gun; she's now got brain damage
1128783;1431393995;trinque;danielpbarron: what'd you say?
1128784;1431394000;danielpbarron;called her a retard
1128785;1431394004;trinque;ono
1128786;1431394010;danielpbarron;tweet still exists. one sec
1128787;1431394026;trinque;come on, could've done better than retard
1128788;1431394031;trinque;"democrats only use half a brain anyway"
1128789;1431394041;mircea_popescu;poor woman
1128790;1431394056;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/296646794639704065
1128791;1431394058;assbot;Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "It's foolish to put any trust in the decision making skills of a mentally retarded former congressman (@GabbyGiffords) regarding our rights." ... ( http://bit.ly/1F3lLTD )
1128792;1431394094;danielpbarron;they were parading her around as an example of why guns need to go away at the time
1128793;1431394210;trinque;the guy was some cracked weirdo with no coherent reason for attacking here
1128794;1431394210;mircea_popescu;why not as an example of why you shouldn't go around without one ?
1128795;1431394212;trinque;*her
1128796;1431394222;mircea_popescu;either seem about as vaguely related.
1128797;1431394268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00024576 = 10.838 BTC [+]
1128798;1431394925;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128736 << -everybody- says this, but same argument could apply to usg-izing just about anything
1128799;1431394925;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 00:46:36; mircea_popescu: the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES.
1128800;1431394934;asciilifeform;(e.g., bitcoin)
1128801;1431395011;trinque;maybe you solve that by letting people crash
1128802;1431395016;asciilifeform;precisely
1128803;1431395022;trinque;eventually everyone who couldn't handle it.. gone
1128804;1431395034;asciilifeform;i would happily learn to fly 1920s machines with the proviso that 1920 rules would apply.
1128805;1431395036;asciilifeform;all of them.
1128806;1431395061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66246 @ 0.00024641 = 16.3237 BTC [+] {2} 
1128807;1431395068;asciilifeform;(with, e.g., no more than the 1920s paperwork, or req'd maintenance, inspection crapolade, etc.)
1128808;1431395103;trinque;sames goes for considerations around the legality of guns
1128809;1431395115;trinque;anywhere everyone's constantly strapped is a place I don't want to be
1128810;1431395131;trinque;seeing them all strapped would be a great indicator I'm in one of those undesirable places
1128811;1431395174;asciilifeform;trinque: notice how usg succeeded in nationalizing, de-facto, all of airspace in usa
1128812;1431395190;trinque;can't have people experimenting with... anything
1128813;1431395226;asciilifeform;there is also a component of keeping the airlines in business, plus keeping a lid on unsanctioned 'interstate commerce' etc
1128814;1431395253;asciilifeform;it seems almost laughably obvious that usg ought to hate and fear cheap private aviation
1128815;1431395309;asciilifeform;(can't exactly stop a 'bleriot' at a red light and search for unsanctioned suitcase of benjies !)
1128816;1431395358;danielpbarron;places where everyone is strapped are some of the safest places
1128817;1431395375;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: cemetary - safer still
1128818;1431395378;trinque;danielpbarron: depends where
1128819;1431395383;trinque;chiraq?
1128820;1431395486;danielpbarron;best example i can think of is porcfest. something like a third of the camp goers were open carrying the whole time. I didn't hear of a single instance of theft or fighting (with the exception of the guy who got too high on shrooms and fell through someone's tent by accident)
1128821;1431395506;asciilifeform;possibly not clear what is 'strapped' ?
1128822;1431395514;asciilifeform;i assumed it meant 'belted to a chair'
1128823;1431395519;trinque;heh!
1128824;1431395523;danielpbarron;pistols mostly, but also ak's and whatnot
1128825;1431395588;asciilifeform;the 'safest' place, short of cemetary, is probably a psych ward
1128826;1431395599;asciilifeform;i don't grasp the preoccupation with 'safety.'
1128827;1431395601;trinque;danielpbarron: I think that group might self-select for people who have some measure of respect for their weapons
1128828;1431395640;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't either; when it comes up I tend to say "yes, and turns out you still die at the end"
1128829;1431395705;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu observed, 'everybody gets a death, adequate to his needs, guaranteed.' and i'd rather have mine in a 'bleriot' or holding ak, than from cancer of the tonsils
1128830;1431395742;*;asciilifeform suffers from acute dietary deficit of 'micromorts'
1128831;1431395752;asciilifeform;perhaps - it shows.
1128832;1431395764;trinque;heh do some rugs
1128833;1431395766;trinque;*drugs
1128834;1431395774;*;trinque prescribes risky lifestyle
1128835;1431395788;asciilifeform;that's entirely the wrong type of 'micromort'
1128836;1431395789;trinque;but seriously, I'll take the death of a spaceman
1128837;1431395796;asciilifeform;more like getting to the tonsil cancers faster
1128838;1431395906;trinque;asciilifeform: this is my hypothesis on various "risky" lifestyles like bdsm, drug taking, rock climbing, whatever
1128839;1431395915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67990 @ 0.00024119 = 16.3985 BTC [-] {2} 
1128840;1431395919;asciilifeform;bdsm is 'risky' ?
1128841;1431395922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ ?
1128842;1431395925;trinque;that humans need and seek a certain amount of risk to maintain mental health
1128843;1431395946;asciilifeform;this is not a complete picture
1128844;1431395955;trinque;maybe not, fill it in?
1128845;1431395978;asciilifeform;for instance, i get a fairly good shot at violent death while commuting, but it doesn't do anything positive mentally
1128846;1431396021;asciilifeform;perhaps because it doesn't give the flavour of confronting nature, or fellow man
1128847;1431396029;asciilifeform;or possibly because it is associated with drudgery
1128848;1431396034;trinque;yeah, there is probably something much more specific than "risk" to be said
1128849;1431396043;mod6;alright, i've got a first-draft of the gentoo stage3 AMI guide put up for review.  Feel free to test this out if anyone wants. I'm having some local guys try this out for me as well.  Will report any updates back here.
1128850;1431396045;asciilifeform;ianas! (... not a shrink)
1128851;1431396053;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/build-stage3-notes.txt
1128852;1431396053;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1dYr2mB )
1128853;1431396069;danielpbarron;but it doesn't do anything positive mentally << you're not driving fast enough
1128854;1431396072;trinque;mod6: abridged handbook, very nice!
1128855;1431396089;trinque;danielpbarron: hear hear!
1128856;1431396109;danielpbarron;the highway is less boring if you're the fastest one on it
1128857;1431396172;trinque;"did something risky today which required skill to perform, survived it" << seems a great candidate for a built-in positive feeling
1128858;1431396250;mod6;this is a ``living-guide'' for the time being as this is pretty much ``phase-1'' of this process; ``phase-2'' will entail getting a tool-chain in place that satisfies requirements.
1128859;1431396309;*;trinque notes deedbot happily accepts manifests for builds of various useful tools :D
1128860;1431396345;trinque;mod6: I crapped together a bash script that does much of what's here, not fit for general consumption yet
1128861;1431396402;trinque;snagged particularly on a non-braindead way of producing an AMI from it (prior efforts involved using another running ec2 instance)
1128862;1431396457;trinque;I got as far as having a "bundle" uploaded to s3, where trying to "register" that barfs incomprehensibly
1128863;1431396653;mod6;ah, ok. well, if you get it in shape, let me know. i do think a lot of this could be automated.
1128864;1431396691;mod6;I'll eventually publish a final form of this to the btc-dev mailing list once I have these guys execute it manually & verify that it works for them.
1128865;1431396708;trinque;work's ongoing, I need the tool
1128866;1431396855;trinque;barfs this currently -> A client error (InvalidManifest) occurred when calling the RegisterImage operation: HTTP 403 (Forbidden) response for URL
1128867;1431396873;trinque;which... fuck you AWS, that IAM does have permission to diddle the bucket
1128868;1431396944;asciilifeform;with respect to mod6's blood, sweat, tears - gentoo on aws seems quite like the proverbial 'lipstick on the pig' imho
1128869;1431397039;trinque;asciilifeform: at least in this case what I really have is a gentoo builder that could as easily build a disk image for a box in front of me
1128870;1431397062;trinque;the aws part just munches the disk image
1128871;1431397081;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah. i agree.  maybe when I have a better idea of what's actually going on, i'll have a bare rails guide or something similar.
1128872;1431397214;mod6;gotta get phase-2 sorted, then will create non-aws guide.
1128873;1431397867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24424 @ 0.00024761 = 6.0476 BTC [+]
1128874;1431399270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96400 @ 0.00024869 = 23.9737 BTC [+]
1128875;1431399575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7126 @ 0.00024869 = 1.7722 BTC [+]
1128876;1431400196;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bdsm is very risky for the single, naive/retarded female. it is almost as risky for the single, ideologically captive male.
1128877;1431400215;mircea_popescu;not to my knowledge risky for anyone else, except, of course, as far as the presence of the former impels.
1128878;1431400266;jurov;mircea_popescu: f.mpif marketmaker needs some rebalancing, it has all shares with only about 3BTC left
1128879;1431400313;mircea_popescu;jurov alrighty. what's official price on them ?
1128880;1431400358;jurov;!mpif
1128881;1431400361;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1128882;1431400361;mircea_popescu;<mod6> once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ?
1128883;1431400397;jurov;^ is this official?
1128884;1431400399;mircea_popescu;jurov so trade 10k shares for 21.367 btc ?
1128885;1431400411;mircea_popescu;o wait that's btcalpha
1128886;1431400420;jurov;and you mean 100k perhaps
1128887;1431400429;mircea_popescu;he total assets per share implied value is thus 0.00021372
1128888;1431400453;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah. or 200k for 2x ?
1128889;1431400457;mircea_popescu;what's your pleasure ?
1128890;1431400545;jurov;can be 200k, if the trend is expected to continue
1128891;1431400574;mircea_popescu;aite, 200k for 42.744 coming right up.
1128892;1431400650;mod6;bah. so now that i know a bit about uclibc, perhaps I need to go through this again with this "[19]  hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64" instead of "[14]  hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib"
1128893;1431400698;*;mod6 just saw that option
1128894;1431400749;mircea_popescu;yeah,
1128895;1431400761;mircea_popescu;i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
1128896;1431400795;mod6;*nod*, I'll work on trying that out and getting an update in there. :]
1128897;1431400863;mod6;it's kind-of baby-steps on this thing.
1128898;1431401005;BingoBoingo;Oh, reddit is down for emergency maintenance
1128899;1431401056;mircea_popescu;aww
1128900;1431401222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24590 @ 0.00024889 = 6.1202 BTC [+] {2} 
1128901;1431402320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91650 @ 0.00024182 = 22.1628 BTC [-]
1128902;1431403174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00024182 = 23.7709 BTC [-]
1128903;1431404150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73550 @ 0.00024064 = 17.6991 BTC [-] {2} 
1128904;1431404272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68848 @ 0.00024956 = 17.1817 BTC [+] {2} 
1128905;1431404333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99386 @ 0.00025065 = 24.9111 BTC [+] {2} 
1128906;1431404944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42584 @ 0.00025219 = 10.7393 BTC [+]
1128907;1431405615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00025414 = 3.6342 BTC [+]
1128908;1431405859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 69557 @ 0.00004073 = 2.8331 BTC [-] {8} 
1128909;1431405981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32912 @ 0.00025219 = 8.3001 BTC [-]
1128910;1431406347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.0002496 = 25.5341 BTC [-] {2} 
1128911;1431408238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19312 @ 0.00025312 = 4.8883 BTC [+]
1128912;1431408299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0166 = 1.992 BTC [-]
1128913;1431408463;TheNewDeal;For those in need of a few laughs http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/11/technology/nasdaq-bitcoin-technology/
1128914;1431408464;assbot;Nasdaq will start using Bitcoin technology - May. 11, 2015  ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxOHKc )
1128915;1431408661;mircea_popescu;cnn moving into the wordsalad humor racket. reddit turf.
1128916;1431408800;TheNewDeal;And with all the same vocabulary. No need to relearn "blockchain technology" when we've heard it a few dozen times before!
1128917;1431408878;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1128918;1431409331;trinque;here's another one http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/09/asia/saudi-airstrikes-yemen/index.html
1128919;1431409332;assbot;U.N. rep accuses Saudis of violating international law - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDRwDW )
1128920;1431409335;trinque;not so many laughs
1128921;1431409342;trinque;and isn't the US a part of this "coalition" ?
1128922;1431409458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88700 @ 0.00025867 = 22.944 BTC [+] {2} 
1128923;1431409475;mircea_popescu;saudi arabia actually can fly all those planes it was collecting ?!
1128924;1431409491;mircea_popescu;i thought they're just pulling a great gatsby / jerry seifeld, and just storing them
1128925;1431409519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68903 @ 0.00025 = 17.2258 BTC [-] {2} 
1128926;1431409538;TheNewDeal;"The indiscriminate bombing of populated areas, with or without prior warning, is as American as it gets," Van Der Klaauw said in a statement. Ftfy
1128927;1431409580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00023978 = 6.9409 BTC [-]
1128928;1431409594;trinque;TheNewDeal: yeah, sounds like us, right?
1128929;1431409641;TheNewDeal;Just hope plays from the usian book dont become the norm
1128930;1431409836;mircea_popescu;famously, the returning, defeated nazis said the same thing.
1128931;1431409851;mircea_popescu;"just pray, madam, that the russians don't do to you and your daughters anything like"
1128932;1431410237;trinque;seems inevitable that it will, just a question of whose flying robots they are
1128933;1431411654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71300 @ 0.00023978 = 17.0963 BTC [-]
1128934;1431412508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00024161 = 14.8711 BTC [+]
1128935;1431413728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77173 @ 0.00023946 = 18.4798 BTC [-] {2} 
1128936;1431414094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00024378 = 7.0696 BTC [+] {2} 
1128937;1431414686;jurov;!up hktud0
1128938;1431415985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00026055 = 4.3903 BTC [+]
1128939;1431416900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00026055 = 1.1204 BTC [+]
1128940;1431417083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31869 @ 0.00025611 = 8.162 BTC [-]
1128941;1431417632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.00025518 = 16.2167 BTC [-] {2} 
1128942;1431418962;scoopbot_revived;Anyone have a single Elbrus ARM-401 for sale? Mebbe a 4.4 Server? It's for the children. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/12/anyone-have-a-single-elbrus-arm-401-for-sale-mebbe-a-4-4-server-its-for-the-children/
1128943;1431419085;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/us-usa-saudi-summit-idUSKBN0NW1EV20150512 << when Saudi Kings bomb Yemeni civilians, American diplomats "scramble" to assure them.
1128944;1431419086;assbot;      U.S. rejects notion that Gulf rulers snubbing Obama summit| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JE4VvG )
1128945;1431419117;trinque;"The conspiracy theorists of old have been proven right. The U.S. creates threats for us and then offers us more weapons systems. That does not bode well for us," said Sami Alfaraj, a Kuwaiti security adviser to the six-nation GCC.
1128946;1431419141;trinque;gulf states are officially wise to our shit.
1128947;1431419157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85448 @ 0.00026157 = 22.3506 BTC [+] {3} 
1128948;1431419523;mircea_popescu;heh
1128949;1431420072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00025091 = 5.8211 BTC [-] {3} 
1128950;1431420599;scoopbot_revived;In which Orwell avoids what he does not wish to see http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/
1128951;1431421170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62759 @ 0.00025218 = 15.8266 BTC [+]
1128952;1431421719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40581 @ 0.00024975 = 10.1351 BTC [-]
1128953;1431422878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63400 @ 0.00024272 = 15.3884 BTC [-]
1128954;1431423915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127772 @ 0.00024361 = 31.1265 BTC [+] {3} 
1128955;1431425135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90188 @ 0.00024724 = 22.2981 BTC [+] {2} 
1128956;1431426843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00026001 = 15.6006 BTC [+]
1128957;1431427087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118593 @ 0.00026152 = 31.0144 BTC [+] {4} 
1128958;1431427148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155107 @ 0.00026364 = 40.8924 BTC [+] {3} 
1128959;1431427880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24436 @ 0.00026461 = 6.466 BTC [+] {2} 
1128960;1431428063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60046 @ 0.00026783 = 16.0821 BTC [+] {2} 
1128961;1431428917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00026792 = 2.0094 BTC [+]
1128962;1431429771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00026794 = 20.5778 BTC [+] {2} 
1128963;1431430808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29712 @ 0.00025526 = 7.5843 BTC [-]
1128964;1431431845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51988 @ 0.00025496 = 13.2549 BTC [-]
1128965;1431432760;Adlai;Quisquid satoshī dictum est, altus sonatur
1128966;1431432882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11833 @ 0.00026441 = 3.1288 BTC [+]
1128967;1431433370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00026459 = 3.6381 BTC [+]
1128968;1431434773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00026574 = 5.2351 BTC [+] {2} 
1128969;1431435001;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 <<< you mean CultOS(tm)
1128970;1431435001;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
1128971;1431435505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00026798 = 17.4187 BTC [+] {2} 
1128972;1431435993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45979 @ 0.00026101 = 12.001 BTC [-] {2} 
1128973;1431436237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111200 @ 0.00026697 = 29.6871 BTC [+] {2} 
1128974;1431437091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00025904 = 3.8856 BTC [-]
1128975;1431437152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00025904 = 7.4863 BTC [-]
1128976;1431438494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00025904 = 15.7755 BTC [-]
1128977;1431439497;mod6;!t m s.mpoe
1128978;1431439497;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023904 / 0.00025266 / 0.00026807 (4666118 shares, 1,178.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00019511 / 0.00023331 / 0.00026807 (38805806 shares, 9,054.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026936 / 0.00033918 (91708839 shares, 24,702.89 BTC)
1128979;1431440394;jurov;!up kalki
1128980;1431440464;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/05/americas-achilles-heel.html << mega-orlol
1128981;1431440465;assbot;ClubOrlov: America's Achilles' Heel ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgksZA )
1128982;1431440531;asciilifeform;'And that's where things get interesting. Because, you see, if you shoot at, imprison, and otherwise abuse a defenseless civilian population long enough, what you get in response is an armed insurgency. The place insurgencies are easiest to organize is in prison...'
1128983;1431441634;decimation;asciilifeform: things are already heading that way.  there's a 'Schelling point' that enlarges every year around the "USG sucks" idea
1128984;1431441666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90900 @ 0.00026613 = 24.1912 BTC [+] {3} 
1128985;1431442051;lobbes;'The Russian plan, along with China, India, and much of the rest of the world, is to prepare for war with the US, but to do everything possible to avoid it. Time is on their side, because with each passing day they become stronger while America grows weaker.'
1128986;1431442052;lobbes;Why India though? Aren't they essentially an arm of usg?
1128987;1431442498;williamdunne;They could probably break off quite easily with the assistance of Russia and China.
1128988;1431442568;williamdunne;US is only 12% of Indias exports
1128989;1431442580;williamdunne;4~% of imports
1128990;1431442643;jurov;he made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual.
1128991;1431442863;jurov;otherwise, pot-caling-kettle-blackism exercise
1128992;1431443384;lobbes;idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse
1128993;1431443450;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2921412/ssds-have-a-problem-theyre-getting-too-fast-too-soon.html < the x86 world's inability to 'fabric' well is becoming embarrassing now that SSD's are increasing in performance
1128994;1431443451;assbot;SSDs have a problem: They're getting too fast, too soon | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1cNQY4l )
1128995;1431443694;jurov;they mention gamers. and that would only be a problem for games with terabytes of installed data that need constant shuffling to/from the ssd
1128996;1431443761;jurov;are there any? and if, how are they distributed in the us? certainly not on blurays or by the net
1128997;1431443881;jurov;maybe minecraft with trillions of voxels
1128998;1431444289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00027029 = 15.9201 BTC [+] {2} 
1128999;1431444716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00027241 = 5.4618 BTC [+]
1129000;1431445339;Adlai;"prison is bootcamp for career criminals"
1129001;1431445509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00027109 = 10.5725 BTC [-]
1129002;1431446424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71925 @ 0.00027249 = 19.5988 BTC [+] {2} 
1129003;1431446751;jurov;!up punkman
1129004;1431446752;Adlai;it's a proverbial variation on "'mandatory' is bootcamp for reserves"
1129005;1431446785;Adlai;although the funny thing is, my reserve duty just keeps getting cancelled due to lack of necessity for my amazing talents
1129006;1431446785;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1129007;1431447644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00027261 = 13.7668 BTC [+] {3} 
1129008;1431448620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201650 @ 0.00026087 = 52.6044 BTC [-] {5} 
1129009;1431448825;lobbes;Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other
1129010;1431449597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97400 @ 0.00025554 = 24.8896 BTC [-] {3} 
1129011;1431450018;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1129012;1431450183;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128914 << mega-l0l, truly. did they invent a new 'blockchain' where they get to backpedal on 'undesirable' ('wrong button', 'insider', misc. bullshit) trades ?
1129013;1431450183;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 05:27:44; assbot: Nasdaq will start using Bitcoin technology - May. 11, 2015  ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxOHKc )
1129014;1431450319;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 << aha. glibc is dead to me.
1129015;1431450319;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
1129016;1431450349;ascii_field;and it is quite embarrassing how long it has gotten away with slipping a cockroach into every single bowl of soup we eat.
1129017;1431451426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69100 @ 0.0002662 = 18.3944 BTC [+]
1129018;1431451853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172350 @ 0.00026671 = 45.9675 BTC [+] {3} 
1129019;1431452463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93400 @ 0.00026879 = 25.105 BTC [+] {3} 
1129020;1431453069;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 << aha. glibc is dead to me. << gentoo's hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64 ?
1129021;1431453069;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
1129022;1431453169;trinque;this is also interesting https://github.com/gentoo/libressl
1129023;1431453170;assbot;gentoo/libressl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey4X4I )
1129024;1431453195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00025353 = 2.4466 BTC [-]
1129025;1431453683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76350 @ 0.00025146 = 19.199 BTC [-]
1129026;1431453949;funkenstein_;sometimes keeping up with trilema feels like trying to sync the  blockchain with a dialup modem
1129027;1431454167;mod6;trinque: <+mod6> bah. so now that i know a bit about uclibc, perhaps I need to go through this again with this "[19]  hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64" instead of "[14]  hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib << yeah
1129028;1431454207;mod6;im gonna work on running through my doc & setting that up instead tonight.
1129029;1431454241;trinque;sweet
1129030;1431454490;jurov;mike_c yo, is it possible to have direct links like http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/somewhere/$fingerprint ?
1129031;1431454491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbRy69 )
1129032;1431454510;jurov;!up mike_c
1129033;1431454662;mike_c;yes
1129034;1431454678;mike_c;i'll add something
1129035;1431454792;jurov;neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there
1129036;1431454964;mod6;cool
1129037;1431455147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00026479 = 8.9631 BTC [+]
1129038;1431456001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43250 @ 0.0002517 = 10.886 BTC [-]
1129039;1431456290;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1129040;1431456378;ascii_field;for those who did not watch the 'elbrus' youtube (did anyone ?) - if the screenshots are genuine , we now know that one core of 'elbrus' has approximately same benchmark performance as 'pogo.'
1129041;1431456400;mircea_popescu;lol!
1129042;1431456452;mircea_popescu;and in the latest lulz for today, http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/#comment-114124
1129043;1431456453;assbot;Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTf3B )
1129044;1431456672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00025499 = 4.7556 BTC [+]
1129045;1431457172;lobbes;'Before I consider joining your Web of Trust' lmao
1129046;1431457258;mircea_popescu;it's funny, what a few decades of "everyone else is your supporting cast" has done to joe blow.
1129047;1431458020;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's almost like they've forgotten what "right of admission reserved" actually means because of this ongoing "the customer is ALWAYS right" nonsense
1129048;1431458082;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it's not even that, lol. i'm not making a judgement based on how the twerp presents itself. this is more like, "you're not famous, go away", but for a much better definition of famous. "people i care about heard of you."
1129049;1431458116;mircea_popescu;"but i have a shirt and shoes!" "so does my goat."
1129050;1431458151;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1129051;1431458263;ascii_field;l0l
1129052;1431458319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100311 @ 0.00025293 = 25.3717 BTC [-] {2} 
1129053;1431458319;fluffypony;lol
1129054;1431458382;mircea_popescu;absurdistly obligatory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYaU3x_nRU
1129055;1431458384;assbot;The Frogs - I'm Sad, My Goat Just Died Today - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4KdIR )
1129056;1431458459;hanbot;mircea_popescu http://data3.whicdn.com/images/46005295/large.jpg
1129057;1431458459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4KpaU )
1129058;1431458488;mircea_popescu;aww!
1129059;1431458495;mircea_popescu;i bet nobody gets them booze, either.
1129060;1431458955;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/13be0b7c54cf8797f03ac1c7b4949f35/tumblr_no0iysbOD51s53p61o1_1280.jpg
1129061;1431458956;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4LfEJ )
1129062;1431460603;trinque;an (obvious) idea... someone could resell BISP boxes as virtual machine hosts
1129063;1431460654;trinque;qntra article made mention that it'll want to cater to larger customers, so perhaps that fills the gap for those needing smaller instances
1129064;1431460873;mircea_popescu;sure. moreover,
1129065;1431460890;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125647
1129066;1431460890;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 19:42:12; mircea_popescu: which incidentally - if anyone wants to sysadmin an aws-style offering on top of bisp metal, please get in touch. i'm open to the idea, we'd have to discuss how it would work.
1129067;1431461052;trinque;nice
1129068;1431461065;jurov;TomServo: ^^
1129069;1431461452;mircea_popescu;http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/952/866/367365/ << this thing that got linked on the recent bisp announcement is pretty interesting on its own.
1129070;1431461453;assbot; United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee Cross-appellant, v. Marsden W. Miller, Jr., and William C. Huls,defendants-appellants Cross-appellees, 952 F.2d 866 (5th Cir. 1992) :: Justia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNfNvQ )
1129071;1431461459;mircea_popescu;"In a line of precedent almost a century old, the Supreme Court has repeatedly stressed that the Double Jeopardy Clause does not preclude the government from retrying a defendant whose conviction is set aside because of an error in the proceedings leading to conviction."
1129072;1431461511;mircea_popescu;basically this translates to "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things it doesn't want to do, not to protect the citizens from things the government wants to do but shouldn't"
1129073;1431461582;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1129074;1431461615;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things... << this doctrine is almost as old as the parchment itself
1129075;1431461624;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1129076;1431461637;mircea_popescu;"While different theories have been advanced to support the permissibility of retrial, of greater importance than the conceptual abstractions employed to explain the Ball principle are the implications of that principle for the sound administration of justice. Corresponding to the right of an accused to be given a fair trial is the societal interest in punishing one whose guilt is clear after he has obtained such a tri
1129077;1431461637;mircea_popescu;al. It would be a high price indeed for society to pay were every accused granted immunity from punishment because of any defect sufficient to constitute reversible error in the proceedings leading to conviction. From the standpoint of a defendant, it is at least doubtful that appellate courts would be as zealous as they now are in protecting against the effects of improprieties at the trial or pretrial stage if they k
1129078;1431461638;mircea_popescu;new that reversal of a conviction would put the accused irrevocably beyond the reach of further prosecution."
1129079;1431461642;mircea_popescu;imagine the perversity of this.
1129080;1431461655;mircea_popescu;"if we don't steal your rights right at the top, it is unlikely our agents at lower levels would not steal them anyway"
1129081;1431461658;mircea_popescu;dude... fuck you ?
1129082;1431461673;mircea_popescu;you get one shot, like everyone else. if you miss, you've missed.
1129083;1431461685;mircea_popescu;this entire "government's speshul" doctrine...
1129084;1431461725;ascii_field;saying 'i want a government only -so- big' is a bit like asking for 'a tumour only -so- big'
1129085;1431461726;mircea_popescu;"guilt is clear" === "we are butthurt"
1129086;1431461737;ascii_field;and this is the national disease of u.s. folks.
1129087;1431461745;mircea_popescu;perhaps, yes.
1129088;1431461814;mircea_popescu;so government can fuck up the conviction, gets a second shot because hey, govt's speshul. you go fuck up your tax returns, see how that goes over.
1129089;1431461827;ascii_field;they get as many shots as it takes.
1129090;1431461844;mircea_popescu;"but your honor, it would be a price too high for society to pay were the government granted the right to act because of any defect sufficient to invalidate submitted tax reports"
1129091;1431462113;ascii_field;also note what the crime in this case was.
1129092;1431462129;ascii_field;(attempting to be something other than slavishly transparent to usg tendrils)
1129093;1431462141;thestringpuller;bitmex d00d says, and i quote, "it is trivial to mitm mpex.co cause it uses http"
1129094;1431462154;mircea_popescu;apparently, corrupt govt official with private intersts made pro-forma arrangements to rid himself of these so as to use govt tools to further them
1129095;1431462162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0002653 = 2.2418 BTC [+] {2} 
1129096;1431462175;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller but who's asking him ?
1129097;1431462229;thestringpuller;reddit users i suppose so it is irrelevant. the level of ignorance is just astonishing tho
1129098;1431462243;ascii_field;thestringpuller: remember, tungsten melts in your mouth.
1129099;1431462372;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller well, see, the opinions of people who do not own 30 btc to their name as to the comings and goings of places where this is a minimum requisite bar do not constitute proper ignorance. it's like saying country bumpkins in montana have no idea how broadstreet works. they obviously don't, but this because the goat does not know calendars.
1129100;1431462372;scoopbot_revived;The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume XI http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-xi/
1129101;1431462428;mircea_popescu;what business of it is theirs ? "oh, you're so ignorant, you don't even know astronomy". well... he's a farm hand, let him farm.
1129102;1431462490;mircea_popescu;!up Crypton
1129103;1431462499;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic what's crypton ?
1129104;1431462520;mod6;nmon charts from the entire v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke sync/test: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/
1129105;1431462521;assbot;Index of /OrphanageThermonukeCharts ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNimOf )
1129106;1431462585;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/Disk.png << this space intentionally left blank ?
1129107;1431462585;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNivkU )
1129108;1431462600;mod6;Hmm, the swap and & disk are blank for some reason. im sure I just didn't do something correct with those.
1129109;1431462604;mircea_popescu;and that % style is pretty bad
1129110;1431462617;ascii_field;and why not just for bitcoind process ?
1129111;1431462619;ascii_field;why whole box ?
1129112;1431462621;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, it's a bot that logs a couple of channels for me
1129113;1431462636;mircea_popescu;ah ok.
1129114;1431462649;mircea_popescu;mod6 omfg wtf <4gb ?! WUT ?!
1129115;1431462657;mod6;*shrug*  lol
1129116;1431462660;mircea_popescu;it is THAT good this thing ?!
1129117;1431462670;mod6;i just kicked it on and let it run. i've never used it before.
1129118;1431462680;mod6;so this is just my first shot at it, really.
1129119;1431462691;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-05-2015#1128716
1129120;1431462691;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 00:38:06; asciilifeform: mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram
1129121;1431462691;mod6;i'll maybe try another tool next time.
1129122;1431462700;mircea_popescu;mod6 listen, what happened in the 6-12 may interval ? full blockchain sync ? something else ?
1129123;1431462722;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 4gb is pretty impressive tbh.
1129124;1431462726;mod6;which chart are you looking at mircea_popescu?
1129125;1431462732;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ~200M
1129126;1431462737;ascii_field;is the actual process steady-state
1129127;1431462741;ascii_field;on my box.
1129128;1431462752;mod6;the box was doing nothing else while this thing was running.
1129129;1431462755;mircea_popescu;mod6 doesn't matter which chart per se, just trying to put this in context. what was bitcoind doing in the interval ?
1129130;1431462759;ascii_field;so far, i'm 90% certain that this is mainly due to fragging.
1129131;1431462783;mod6;OH
1129132;1431462790;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't recall ever running a node under 8gb, and for that matter that was more like 2012. i think everything now's 32.
1129133;1431462797;mod6;yeah, full blockchain sync
1129134;1431462801;mod6;sorry.
1129135;1431462802;mircea_popescu;6 days ?
1129136;1431462806;mircea_popescu;also pretty good.
1129137;1431462808;mod6;yeah about that.
1129138;1431462817;mod6;started on 20150505
1129139;1431462826;mod6;ended yesterday, the 11th.
1129140;1431462835;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/Page_Faults.png << negative page faults o.O
1129141;1431462835;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiQ5wQ )
1129142;1431462847;mod6;yeah, some of these charts don't make sense to me.
1129143;1431462869;mod6;maybe that just means there was only a few page faults.
1129144;1431462881;mod6;most of the time, looks like 0? except for the beginning.
1129145;1431462902;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah kinda what i was trying to evaluate, if the "0, usually" is valid.
1129146;1431462925;trinque;lol is it a signed int that wrapped?
1129147;1431462944;mod6;no idea. i can post the raw data if someone wants to pour through it.
1129148;1431462954;mod6;112Mb lol
1129149;1431462982;mircea_popescu;anyway, i must say the profiling seen here crowns an expectation that has been slowly building from what was shown prior, ie that the snipped bitcoin 5 we're using is actually a major improvement over the old bitcoin 5, and thus very, very far ahead of bitcoin 10/11/etc.
1129150;1431462996;ascii_field;mircea_popescu did read the patch iirc
1129151;1431463027;mircea_popescu;ascii_field industrial engineering is a three century old history of "minimal improvements have astounding effects"
1129152;1431463027;ascii_field;doesn't change much
1129153;1431463039;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha, 'the right screw' (tm)
1129154;1431463044;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1129155;1431463060;*;ascii_field specializes in approximately this kind of circus trick
1129156;1431463070;mod6;anyway, I was considering running another full-sync without the OrphanageThermonuke patch -- just a v0.5.3.1-RELEASE baseline.
1129157;1431463076;mircea_popescu;dabbled in same, back in the day.
1129158;1431463092;mod6;then maybe we have something to compare too... and maybe even a v0.5.3 original baseline as well.
1129159;1431463096;ascii_field;mod6: by all means, the more - the merrier
1129160;1431463102;ascii_field;ben_vulpes iirc had a few graphs
1129161;1431463102;mircea_popescu;mod6 not a bad idea. but make sure you package these with the required context and publish them.
1129162;1431463109;mod6;gotcha.
1129163;1431463118;ascii_field;mod6: best to let these run in parallel
1129164;1431463129;mod6;anyway, sorry if the charts were less then stellar, but at least /something/ to look at.
1129165;1431463134;mircea_popescu;as it is, this reporting, it is a 90% of an excellent job. make the extra 10%. make it whole, it'll be great.
1129166;1431463137;ascii_field;(they still won't deterministically sync from same places, but still)
1129167;1431463143;mod6;ascii_field: parallel?!
1129168;1431463144;mircea_popescu;mod6 maybe even think about writing a qntra piece, or ben_vulpes
1129169;1431463152;ascii_field;mod6: on two identical boxes
1129170;1431463161;ascii_field;simultaneously
1129171;1431463168;mod6;hrm. well...
1129172;1431463200;mod6;too expensive.
1129173;1431463227;mod6;the one alone costs me $89/mo.  and now i've got 2 others for gentoo, and another one is gonna get pricy for this month.
1129174;1431463239;ascii_field;do it at home ?
1129175;1431463242;mod6;so, i probably just run them consecutively unless it /really/ matters.
1129176;1431463255;mod6;i don't have the kinda hardware for this sort of ting.
1129177;1431463257;mod6;*thing
1129178;1431463261;mircea_popescu;i don't see it makes that big of a difference.
1129179;1431463271;ascii_field;probably doesn't
1129180;1431463332;mod6;if you're looking at timing metrics, I can just use 'time' or just rely on the time started in PS and subtract that from the end time.
1129181;1431463344;mod6;s/PS/`ps`/
1129182;1431463412;mircea_popescu;dun worry bout it mod6
1129183;1431463430;mircea_popescu;just, you two, package this in a detailed, explicit, clear, verbose article.
1129184;1431463455;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1129185;1431463573;mircea_popescu;so i've been listening to aerosmith all morning. shocking how great bad music was, 40 or so years ago.
1129186;1431463611;mircea_popescu;entertainment's in this weird situation where the olympic record holders of today couldn't meet the quals for regional competitions in the 70s.
1129187;1431463637;lobbes;also, music that made it to the 'top of the charts' back then was actually music
1129188;1431463688;lobbes;btw, 4gb full sync!?
1129189;1431463712;lobbes;My old turdcoin is about 47 gb atm
1129190;1431463719;mircea_popescu;memory not disk.
1129191;1431463724;lobbes;ah duh
1129192;1431463731;lobbes;almost crapped myself
1129193;1431463734;mircea_popescu;lol.
1129194;1431463798;mod6;# du -sh /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin
1129195;1431463799;mod6;44G     /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin
1129196;1431463831;mod6;yeah, this is the size of the full bc sync (v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke)
1129197;1431463835;lobbes;hmm so about 3 gb culled?
1129198;1431463857;ascii_field;lobbes: what are you comparing to ?
1129199;1431463874;ascii_field;recall, we aren't using the leveldb thing
1129200;1431463893;lobbes;8.1.0 O.o
1129201;1431463904;lobbes;0.8.1.0
1129202;1431463914;lobbes;ah okay
1129203;1431463919;mircea_popescu;more indexes prolly.
1129204;1431463936;mod6;the debug.log itself is 977Mb
1129205;1431463949;mod6;so the size of that entire directory is not exactly an accurate picture
1129206;1431463992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00027215 = 13.2945 BTC [+]
1129207;1431464105;mod6;17 2.0Gb blk*.dat files = 34Gb + 9.5Gb blkindex.dat == 43.5Gb
1129208;1431464157;mircea_popescu;+an 18th ~200mb
1129209;1431464165;trinque;mircea_popescu: I tend to think this was the last time rock happened -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQjFB3MV4s
1129210;1431464166;assbot;Bone Broke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNkAx2 )
1129211;1431464166;mod6;anyway, mircea_popescu I'll talk to ben_vulpes about helping me write something up for these charts.
1129212;1431464185;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> +an 18th ~200mb << 247M    blk0018.dat
1129213;1431464187;mod6;yes :)
1129214;1431464242;mircea_popescu;trinque im not even sure how rock aerosmith is, or what it all means.
1129215;1431464253;mod6;anyway, thanks for taking a look!
1129216;1431464430;trinque;that 300mph torrential outpour blues is good too
1129217;1431464492;lobbes;I've got a love for 'fast blues'; srv and the like
1129218;1431464572;lobbes;still enough soul to not be made by a machine, but fast enough to say 'damn'
1129219;1431464586;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSmOvYzSeaQ << check out 90s EGA high techs
1129220;1431464586;assbot;Aerosmith - Amazing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNllGv )
1129221;1431464606;ascii_field;speaking of which, i just bought a 486-133.
1129222;1431464621;ascii_field;(was searching for years for a 100% silent example of such, finally found)
1129223;1431464634;ascii_field;(where? from him: http://www.belxs.com/michel/soundbox )
1129224;1431464636;assbot;Michel's MIDI box ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNlt94 )
1129225;1431464934;mircea_popescu;http://t.imgbox.com/DA1uRbI3.jpg back in the day
1129226;1431464935;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmlu9 )
1129227;1431464955;ascii_field;l0l, i had one
1129228;1431464963;ascii_field;or almost same
1129229;1431464972;ascii_field;good old vlb
1129230;1431464995;mircea_popescu;speaking of someliers, they have a forum, you know ? http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=33438
1129231;1431464996;assbot;VOGONS • View topic - MY ROCKING AMD 486 - ??? MHZ SYSTEM VLB ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmxd2 )
1129232;1431465017;*;jurov never had vlb. tried to overclock isa instead, burned disk controller and wiped data
1129233;1431465037;*;ascii_field had isa, eisa, vlb, and even - last - mca boxes.
1129234;1431465040;trinque;my first computer was a piece of shit 486 with a turbo button
1129235;1431465060;ascii_field;(mca was this weird ibm thing, physically shaped like pci slot but electrically 100% martian)
1129236;1431465169;mircea_popescu;i had a 286! and (after that!) a weird pc-xt that had asm debugger built into bios. and so on
1129237;1431465185;ascii_field;when had that box, had a 'chipchat' sound card, afaik the only one made for mca
1129238;1431465191;ascii_field;https://www.chipchat.com/mca/soundcard/soundcard.html
1129239;1431465193;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNnhio )
1129240;1431465197;ascii_field;^ mega-l0l! they're still on www!
1129241;1431465210;ascii_field;https://www.chipchat.com/ChipChatDirect.html << sold!?!?!
1129242;1431465212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNniTf )
1129243;1431465218;mircea_popescu;was that a sound blaster repackaged ?
1129244;1431465241;ascii_field;it was entirely own animal
1129245;1431465252;ascii_field;on account of the vastly different bus
1129246;1431465269;ascii_field;but - somehow - mostly compatible from dos
1129247;1431465278;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1129248;1431465287;ascii_field;the weird daughterboard was a midi synth
1129249;1431465296;ascii_field;i later pulled it off and plugged into an ordinary sb-16
1129250;1431465300;ascii_field;where it happily worked for years.
1129251;1431465331;danielpbarron;the smashing guitar thing is very rock and roll. here's the original i think -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g
1129252;1431465332;assbot;My Generation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNnBxA )
1129253;1431465346;mircea_popescu;so it WAS a sb repackaging then ? the chipchat ?
1129254;1431465371;ascii_field;again, not repackaging. very different chip (to sit on ibm's bizarre mca bus) but emulated sb.
1129255;1431465422;ascii_field;(at the time the fastest box i had, had mca bus only)
1129256;1431465430;mircea_popescu;weird, the sort of shit they could do back then.
1129257;1431465462;mircea_popescu;back to the lulzlaw department for a moment, " Nonetheless, the government concedes that it failed to file a timely certificate with the district court "that the appeal was not taken for purpose of delay and that the evidence is a substantial proof of a fact material in the proceeding," although � 3731 required it to do so. The government has now filed such a certificate, and correctly notes that the late filing, alth
1129258;1431465462;mircea_popescu;ough not regarded with favor, does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions."
1129259;1431465482;mircea_popescu;o, so the government filed late ? it's ok, we'll invent some legally meaningless words it can be bad in, but otherwise it's fine.
1129260;1431465485;mircea_popescu;you try filing late.
1129261;1431465505;mircea_popescu;fuckheads delayed filing the certificate that they're not appealing to delay.
1129262;1431465564;mircea_popescu;"The certificate was filed seven months after the entry of the district court's order and six months after the filing of the government's notice of appeal. It was filed only after the defendants raised the issue of its absence in their briefs to this Court."
1129263;1431465626;mircea_popescu;and so therefore, " If the requirement of the timely filing of a certificate is to have substantial meaning, the government's appeal here should be dismissed. Indeed, the purpose of the certificate requirement is to ensure the government has verified the propriety of its appeal, and so certified to the district court, at the time it files its notice of appeal. That purpose is defeated by the perfunctory filing of the c
1129264;1431465627;mircea_popescu;ertificate after the appeal has been docketed and briefed and within days of its argument in this Court."
1129265;1431465640;mircea_popescu;but is there a disbarment of the government counsel as a result of attempted fraud in open court ?
1129266;1431465654;jurov;"but that does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions"
1129267;1431465690;mircea_popescu;where is the one year in the can for contempt + civil liability for the prosecuting team + their eighteen indictment trial for all sorts of fraud, abuse of legal process etc.
1129268;1431465705;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: rule of law is a statal fiction, news-at-eleven.
1129269;1431465727;mircea_popescu;check it out, the government is required to file a certificate. and if they don't... fuckall. and if it's fraudulent ? all the better.
1129270;1431465748;mircea_popescu;and moreover, the government can contempt the court all it wants, that's what it's there for after all.
1129271;1431466064;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1129272;1431466070;mircea_popescu;!rated theymos
1129273;1431466070;assbot;You rated user theymos on 15-Nov-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/.
1129274;1431466505;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cec108a1b9ef61cc0ce17e80b2fed4ec/tumblr_meuxlnPw761qjm83bo1_1280.jpg
1129275;1431466506;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNqm1Y )
1129276;1431466798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82358 @ 0.00026211 = 21.5869 BTC [-]
1129277;1431466920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171441 @ 0.0002599 = 44.5575 BTC [-] {2} 
1129278;1431467325;cazalla;who's the statue of in that shitty photoshop anyway
1129279;1431467337;mircea_popescu;looks like a tail
1129280;1431467424;hanbot;mircea_popescu> <mod6> once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ?  << hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to help me make one?
1129281;1431467623;mircea_popescu;hm yeah, aws is useful to have but it really shouldnt be a dependency.
1129282;1431467690;jurov;just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook
1129283;1431467692;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128969 << dude, i actually like CultOs
1129284;1431467692;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 12:50:01; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 <<< you mean CultOS(tm)
1129285;1431467738;mircea_popescu;Adlai why do you think final i in satoshi is long ?
1129286;1431467742;mircea_popescu;it's not satoshii is it ?
1129287;1431467787;davout;mircea_popescu: it's CultOS duh
1129288;1431467792;davout;not CultOs
1129289;1431467803;mircea_popescu;heathen.
1129290;1431467804;mircea_popescu;heretic.
1129291;1431467860;davout;next we'll have our CultPhones and CultPads yo
1129292;1431467878;davout;get in line for your CultWatches
1129293;1431467902;BingoBoingo;Just have to get cultOS compiled on SPARC
1129294;1431467904;mircea_popescu;cultundies, for those girls that still wear the things.
1129295;1431467971;mircea_popescu;that orlov link...
1129296;1431467972;jurov;cultchat
1129297;1431467972;mircea_popescu;"Western media focused on the fact that western leaders declined to attend the celebration, either in a fit of pique or because so ordered by the Obama administration, but this only highlights their combined irrelevance, be it in defeating Hitler, or in commemorating his defeat 70 years later."
1129298;1431467984;mircea_popescu;bwhaha. who penned this i wish to know ? the man himself is incapable of such quality.
1129299;1431468137;mircea_popescu;Submissions: 47728  Known Moduli: 31262  Moduli Waiting for Test: 4584 Running Product (Π(∀n)): 43224973 digits
1129300;1431468207;mircea_popescu;so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ?
1129301;1431468238;mircea_popescu;there are also 68 keys with duplicate moduli, but i imagine that wouldn't impact very much the overall numbers ?
1129302;1431468269;cazalla;given all this interracial stuff.. in other news http://i.imgur.com/Sw9HtSO.png
1129303;1431468270;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNvDqa )
1129304;1431468298;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that
1129305;1431468340;cazalla;i dunno, just some random imgur
1129306;1431468341;mircea_popescu;"here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?
1129307;1431468367;davout;cazalla: irlkek
1129308;1431468377;jurov;O.o
1129309;1431468417;mircea_popescu;here, i see your gavin andresen impersonator and raise you, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m421aoiZzX1qjm83bo1_1280.jpg
1129310;1431468418;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNw6sj )
1129311;1431468425;mircea_popescu;a barbie doll by a rack of boy toys.
1129312;1431468484;jurov;and interracial hints, too
1129313;1431468486;mircea_popescu;heh, intel points out that is not an impersonator. https://paw.princeton.edu/_internal/cimg!0/oh4xm7lc83q8lk7h15cuz4zuk3nzeim
1129314;1431468490;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNwirC )
1129315;1431468494;mircea_popescu;from https://paw.princeton.edu/issues/2013/11/13/pages/7588/index.xml
1129316;1431468496;assbot;Princeton Alumni Weekly: Buying into Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNwiIg )
1129317;1431468509;mircea_popescu;apparently the SEW way to do urls is .xml
1129318;1431468557;jurov;'x' in xml means eXecutable yaknow
1129319;1431468598;mircea_popescu;yea. eXecutable Mega Lolz
1129320;1431468733;trinque;someone probably had an autism fit about how xhtml is some particular schema represented in XML, you see
1129321;1431468750;mircea_popescu;i imagine.
1129322;1431468766;mircea_popescu;"Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, [blablabla] made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual."
1129323;1431468775;mircea_popescu;dude seriously, that's how russian orthodoxy-lite works ?
1129324;1431468795;mircea_popescu;at this rate they could probably use it as an anti-islam equivalent.
1129325;1431468797;hanbot;jurov> just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook << wasn't the point at least in part to crop that thing tho'?
1129326;1431468869;jurov;hanbot i don't know what mod6 exactly meant
1129327;1431468890;hanbot;well i guess we'll find out!
1129328;1431468934;trinque;only difference should be where you plonk the resulting root fs
1129329;1431468940;mircea_popescu;"If you think about it just a tiny bit, nothing on this scale could be contrived artificially, and the thought that millions of people would prostitute their dead for propaganda purposes is, frankly, both cynical and insulting."
1129330;1431468965;mircea_popescu;bwahgaha. these EXACT PEOPLE prostituted their dead, and their living, wives, children, the lot. by the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. not even fifty years ago.
1129331;1431468967;mircea_popescu;gimme a break.
1129332;1431469062;mircea_popescu;not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents.
1129333;1431469072;mircea_popescu;so... yeah, which way the state goes is part and parcel of it.
1129334;1431469344;lobbes;definitely as widely held << lol
1129335;1431469425;mircea_popescu;lobbes i was talking about femen specifically. you think not ?
1129336;1431469482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274452 @ 0.00025036 = 68.7118 BTC [-] {4} 
1129337;1431469543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35548 @ 0.0002412 = 8.5742 BTC [-]
1129338;1431469716;lobbes;mircea_popescu was appreciating the wordplay ;/ But I would agree nonetheless
1129339;1431469847;mircea_popescu;ah yeah
1129340;1431469909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00025408 = 5.7676 BTC [+]
1129341;1431470214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181552 @ 0.00024077 = 43.7123 BTC [-] {2} 
1129342;1431470232;lobbes;I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
1129343;1431470239;*;lobbes probably needs to read more anyway
1129344;1431470275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00024032 = 13.8785 BTC [-]
1129345;1431470331;mircea_popescu;we have this ongoing debate re orlov i guess.
1129346;1431470763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180315 @ 0.00025464 = 45.9154 BTC [+] {2} 
1129347;1431471396;cazalla;guy not far from me selling a bitcoin atm.. wants 5k for it.. tell him he's dreamin' http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/highett/other-electronics-computers/lamassu-bitcoin-atm-machine-new/1078507188
1129348;1431471397;assbot;                Lamassu Bitcoin ATM Machine - New | Other Electronics & Computers | Gumtree Australia Bayside Area - Highett | 1078507188 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaZHJM )
1129349;1431471584;mircea_popescu;heh. he paid 4k and wants to make a profit, CLEARLY he should get 5k.
1129350;1431471587;pete_dushenski;cazalla lamassus are worth a grand.
1129351;1431471591;pete_dushenski;at most.
1129352;1431471594;mircea_popescu;offer him 5% in the btctc shambles ?
1129353;1431471596;mircea_popescu;worth 100k!
1129354;1431471613;pete_dushenski;typical homeowner thinking really.
1129355;1431471624;pete_dushenski;whether in buenos aires or edmonotn
1129356;1431471630;pete_dushenski;edmonton*
1129357;1431471639;cazalla;mircea_popescu, he paid more.. 9k USD plus taxes
1129358;1431471641;pete_dushenski;"i want to make x and i won't sell for less"
1129359;1431471658;pete_dushenski;hey, if they want to wait and the carrying costs aren't crushing them, let 'em dream.
1129360;1431471663;mircea_popescu;^
1129361;1431471670;mircea_popescu;starvation is the adequate solution to this problem.
1129362;1431471707;cazalla;even if it was cheap (could stick it in my uncle's shop), prob attract legal issues anyway
1129363;1431471708;pete_dushenski;a hungry seller is a motivated seller.
1129364;1431471769;trinque;!up livegnik
1129365;1431471992;pete_dushenski;;;tlsb
1129366;1431471992;gribble;Error: "tlsb" is not a valid command.
1129367;1431471999;pete_dushenski;;;tslb
1129368;1431472003;gribble;Time since last block: 22 minutes and 40 seconds
1129369;1431472011;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1129370;1431472015;gribble;Current Blocks: 356143 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 688 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 9 hours, 10 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47854762116.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.44364
1129371;1431472828;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126436 << I'm terribly sorry about that, I confused you with williamdunne
1129372;1431472828;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 15:49:16; funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, I said no such thing.  This is a public log.
1129373;1431472953;ben_vulpes;<funkenstein_> sometimes keeping up with trilema feels like trying to sync the  blockchain with a dialup modem << lol how do you handle the log?
1129374;1431473006;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-05-2015#1126254 << To give my definitive word on the matter I'd have to review his works in their entirety and learn ionic Greek + Greek philosophy. For now, I read the first ~150 pages of Hippocrates, Acient Medicine, Vol. 1 - English translation by W.H.S. Jones. It did not strike me as "new age-y". The author(s) of this particular work was clearly attempting, to the best of
1129375;1431473006;assbot;Logged on 09-05-2015 06:39:04; mircea_popescu: curious if it'd also seem new age-y.
1129376;1431473007;gabriel_laddel;his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that philosophy had aban
1129377;1431473007;gabriel_laddel;doned medicine and that medicine would have been better off to abandon philosophy. He also notes that "On Wounds in the Head" contains remarkably practical techniques that would have been extremely advanced had they discovered antiseptics. I don't know enough about the development of medicine to (dis)agree with this assessment, but will note that Semmelweis didn't discover antiseptics until ~1850 (and the medical co
1129378;1431473007;gabriel_laddel;mmunity then ignored his discovery). Contrast with "New Age medicine", which afaik, an ill-defined set of practices quite distanced from the leading edge of technology. If they were any good at what they were doing they'd have their own funtoo fork, pdf extractor, WoT and we'd be using it.
1129379;1431473053;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/13be0b7c54cf8797f03ac1c7b4949f35/tumblr_no0iysbOD51s53p61o1_1280.jpg << what is the beta for?
1129380;1431473053;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb3bMA )
1129381;1431473358;williamdunne;gabriel_laddel: What did I say?
1129382;1431473376;gabriel_laddel;williamdunne: that the jews were overrepresented in banking
1129383;1431473478;gabriel_laddel;*are
1129384;1431473478;williamdunne;Ah, thats a few days back
1129385;1431473497;williamdunne;IIRC Pete already corrected me on that one
1129386;1431473549;gabriel_laddel;Yeah. I read his blog post on intelligence and genetics, confused the two of you and thought he was making some sort of ad-hoc /pol/-style 'argument'.
1129387;1431473789;mod6;<+hanbot> ... hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to me make one? << yea, absolutely. I'll get there at some point soon hopefully.
1129388;1431473796;BingoBoingo;http://i.imgur.com/RvF9Pje.jpg
1129389;1431473797;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1HctjnQ )
1129390;1431473818;mod6;Allow me to elaborate for a minute here and I'll explain why I did what I did.
1129391;1431473928;mod6;To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly.  So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind.
1129392;1431474044;mod6;One of my goals was to get this going as soon as possible in AWS so we could continue with builds/testing/development and ditch Debian6.  And additonally, I have a 350Gb storage volume there that I wanted to not just discard as it has at least half-a-dozen fully sync'd blockchains on there.
1129393;1431474111;mod6;So the idea was that I would learn a few things about Gentoo, get a hand-rolled stage3 + a fully blessed tool chain and be able to attch my "btc-dev" storage volume and just pick up where we left-off -- at lesat as far as what artifacts I'd already collected.
1129394;1431474216;mod6;Upon news of my endevour, Mr. P. asked me to document what I'd done carefully so we all can be on the same page -- which is also good because I don't know what I'm doing with Gentoo anyway.  Having people look over what I'm doing provides some bit of steering in-case I get off course.
1129395;1431474319;mod6;So basically that's where we are.  I've gotten to the point where I can create an AWS AMI -> deploy hand-rolled Gentoo instance.  I'll certainly continue to build out the blessed toolchain over the next week and beyond.  Further, then I'll take what I've learned from all of this and apply it to building a hand-rolled Gentoo on a bare-rails environment.
1129396;1431474336;mod6;Apparently this is not much different than what I've already done, but I really don't know.
1129397;1431474351;gabriel_laddel;mod6: have you looked into the portage sources?
1129398;1431474368;gabriel_laddel;I was poking around the other day - first there is ~70k LoC, which wtf seriously
1129399;1431474420;mod6;And lastly, I really need to get some sort of physical environment here to support that last part.  So I'll work on figuring out something for that as well.  Maybe even an old laptop.
1129400;1431474426;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel but if anyone opposed to smoking, drinking and eating whatever falls into your hads is "new age bs", then hippo should be too.
1129401;1431474436;mircea_popescu;guy's practice was mostly focused on dietary approaches to medicine.
1129402;1431474465;mod6;<+gabriel_laddel> mod6: have you looked into the portage sources? << what do you mean by "looked into"?
1129403;1431474526;gabriel_laddel;mod6: I wrote an ebuild parser, ran sloccount, read through the documentation, opened a few files + ebuilds at random and read through them.
1129404;1431474546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106000 @ 0.00024795 = 26.2827 BTC [-]
1129405;1431474553;gabriel_laddel;mod6: I would classify that as "looking into" portage
1129406;1431474560;trinque;diddling portage internals is probably out of scope for what he's working on
1129407;1431474575;trinque;gabriel_laddel: I've heard rumors of gentoo+common-lisp but haven't seen anything; is that you?
1129408;1431474576;mod6;gabriel_laddel: yeah, you'll have to forgive me, i have no idea what you're referring to.
1129409;1431474583;trinque;mod6: package manager thing for gentoo
1129410;1431474588;trinque;portage
1129411;1431474599;gabriel_laddel;mod6: portage is the project that houses "emerge"
1129412;1431474606;mod6;yeah, well, I did add the "portage-latest" into the handrolled gentoo.
1129413;1431474610;mod6;it's in there.
1129414;1431474637;mod6;as far as "looking into" anything specific... i didn't.  to me it just seems similar to freebsd's ports or something.
1129415;1431474644;gabriel_laddel;kk
1129416;1431474648;gabriel_laddel;trinque: yeah, I'm fixing the install guide and writing an introductory bare-bones lesson now
1129417;1431474648;mod6;for 3rd party packages right?
1129418;1431474656;trinque;gabriel_laddel: awesome, I look forward to that
1129419;1431474660;gabriel_laddel;trinque: since people are derping around with gentoo, might as well release something
1129420;1431474664;trinque;indeed.
1129421;1431474677;gabriel_laddel;mod6: nah, I just wanted to use something more sane than their default package manager
1129422;1431474698;mod6;ah. ok.
1129423;1431474711;gabriel_laddel;mod6: it is rather poorly designed IMHO.
1129424;1431474768;mod6;anyway, hanbot: I'll be updating the document as I go through this whole process.  I'll let you know when I get something that's bare-rails specfic. Thanks for the help! :]
1129425;1431474773;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Aaron's post had nothing to say about smoking, drinking and I don't think that being opposed to these is "new age-y"
1129426;1431474805;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I was simply noting that I'm really the wrong person to speak with about living healthy if one wishes to carry on a conversation.
1129427;1431474851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96050 @ 0.00025114 = 24.122 BTC [+] {2} 
1129428;1431474957;gabriel_laddel;mildly related to health: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6At3zIwwk7Q
1129429;1431474958;assbot;Live robotic da Vinci radical prostatectomy during EAU congress - Barcelona - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcwDiY )
1129430;1431474966;gabriel_laddel;^ I had a lot of fun watching that last night
1129431;1431475009;BingoBoingo;I find it kind of funny the first mainstream surgical robots are for urology.
1129432;1431475014;mircea_popescu;ah
1129433;1431475019;gabriel_laddel;skip to 5:33 for the first stitch
1129434;1431475025;mircea_popescu;i prolly read to much into it.
1129435;1431475212;trinque;the level of control there is remarkable
1129436;1431475217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163701 @ 0.00025213 = 41.2739 BTC [+]
1129437;1431475229;trinque;over the surgical implements
1129438;1431475239;trinque;what's the interface for the surgeon look like
1129439;1431475246;mod6;ok all, I'm gonna rebuild this thing with uclibc, I'll have an update for ya in a few hours :]
1129440;1431475254;gabriel_laddel;trinque: check out the start of the video, he is sitting in the station
1129441;1431475264;trinque;ah whoops
1129442;1431475266;trinque;ty
1129443;1431475269;trinque;I skipped forward
1129444;1431475285;gabriel_laddel;well yeah, gotta start with the fun stuff
1129445;1431475293;Adlai;mircea_popescu: ablative agent, although i forgot the preposition
1129446;1431475350;mircea_popescu;ah.
1129447;1431475741;mircea_popescu;"There is a pattern here: it seems that whenever Americans arm, train and equip an army, that army stands a really big chance of simply melting away, with the weapons falling into the hands of those who want to use them against American interests."
1129448;1431475748;mircea_popescu;"what would the devil have to pay you..."
1129449;1431475777;mircea_popescu;but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."
1129450;1431476137;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128992 << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows.
1129451;1431476137;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 15:09:44; lobbes: idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse
1129452;1431476174;mircea_popescu;obviously baltimore riots were a plan hatched and executed by the baltimore drug lords, but it *may* be also part of a larger frontline, a probing operation as it's called.
1129453;1431476195;mircea_popescu;if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government.
1129454;1431476551;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129009 << you have no idea how vory even came to be, then ?
1129455;1431476551;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 16:40:25; lobbes: Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other
1129456;1431476634;Adlai;what's revolution if not career criminals fighting eachother?
1129457;1431476643;mircea_popescu;good one.
1129458;1431476726;williamdunne;if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government. <<< glad to see standards are staying high
1129459;1431476800;mircea_popescu;lol
1129460;1431476828;mircea_popescu;well, who you gonna bet on, in the quadriplegic box match ? the blind or the stupid ?
1129461;1431476864;pete_dushenski;let bitbet decide.
1129462;1431476906;Adlai;wheelchairs make a lot of noise, i'll put a satoshi on blind
1129463;1431476918;mircea_popescu;no wheelchairs in the ring. what is this.
1129464;1431476925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64700 @ 0.00025399 = 16.4332 BTC [+]
1129465;1431476926;mircea_popescu;THEY MIGHT HURT EACH OTHER WITH THOSE!!1
1129466;1431476929;trinque;lol
1129467;1431476963;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter"
1129468;1431476989;trinque;I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.
1129469;1431477010;pete_dushenski;ya, there's no wheelchairs in wwe wrestling, just barbed wire, cages, lead pipes.
1129470;1431477013;trinque;wouldn't they love having some kind of ISIS lite domestically
1129471;1431477045;pete_dushenski;trinque since they're selling fear, sure. why not.
1129472;1431477063;pete_dushenski;it's diocletian's war economy again.
1129473;1431477065;mircea_popescu;pretty sure there was
1129474;1431477090;pete_dushenski;"the barbarians are coming!"
1129475;1431477317;trinque;one wonders to what end
1129476;1431477331;trinque;the american "powerful" must lack imagination
1129477;1431477332;ben_vulpes;!up Luke-Jr
1129478;1431477335;ben_vulpes;!up Luke-Jr
1129479;1431477342;Luke-Jr;?
1129480;1431477398;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ... << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows. << NBP is truly a tiny thing like FEMEN
1129481;1431477420;mircea_popescu;except femen's not tiny.
1129482;1431477473;mircea_popescu;what are you more likely to run into, a girl that doesnt want to fuck because of what she's heard the catholic church say, or a girl that wants to go topless because of what she's heard of femen ?
1129483;1431477477;mircea_popescu;femen > catholic church.
1129484;1431477516;BingoBoingo;Ah. I was going more for the actual size of the cohesive group rather than its influence sphere.
1129485;1431477560;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter" << I though about funding one. Ended up doing a smaller bet on PacMan.
1129486;1431477563;mircea_popescu;the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it.
1129487;1431477576;mircea_popescu;the "social studies" grant eaters are larger than the texas oil industry.
1129488;1431477577;mircea_popescu;so what of it.
1129489;1431477591;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo what is this 'pacman' you speak of ?
1129490;1431477596;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's the hidden message with the beta of spades?
1129491;1431477601;mircea_popescu;i have nfi!
1129492;1431477622;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Manny, the dude who fought money on May 2nd
1129493;1431477623;ben_vulpes;like - "quite clearly not a queen, nor even a gurl ergo beta"
1129494;1431477635;mircea_popescu;maybe that's the husBand
1129495;1431477659;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ah, comprendo. not up on my boxing nicknames, it seems.
1129496;1431477680;pete_dushenski;thought it was some kind of bitbet competitor lol
1129497;1431477698;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. << But consider what USG spends on keeping NBP alive to only have Maybe 200 new Black Panthers vs. what Femen spends on Maybe 200 topless agitators.
1129498;1431477732;mircea_popescu;hm.
1129499;1431477751;mircea_popescu;this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi.
1129500;1431477774;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm hoping for a rematch before they turn 50. Manny's got the aggression and Mayweather's age showed more.
1129501;1431477814;mircea_popescu;something must be very wrong with boxing if 50 yo ex champs can still walk around unaided.
1129502;1431477817;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi. << My point is you could put most of USia's urban welfare expenditure on making potential Black Panther not starve.
1129503;1431477823;pete_dushenski;srsly. they're both so old already.
1129504;1431477854;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Both were nearly 40, either would have been outclassed by the featherweights on the undercard.
1129505;1431477856;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dunno dood. by this reasoning you could put the chinese state budget on "making obama get nobel prize"
1129506;1431477863;pete_dushenski;i'd rather watch some younger, sportier boxers. for as much as i care to watch boxing.
1129507;1431477870;pete_dushenski;which, so far, is once. may 2
1129508;1431477881;ben_vulpes;<pete_dushenski> [22:58] cazalla lamassus are worth a grand. << based on?
1129509;1431477903;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: THe first undercard fight was great. Second was set up.
1129510;1431477907;mircea_popescu;i used to watch some boxing many years ago because i was friends with some promoters etc. never got into it.
1129511;1431477923;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes my broker who also owns four atms.
1129512;1431477936;williamdunne;Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA
1129513;1431477938;pete_dushenski;i think $1k for a lamassu is market atm.
1129514;1431477942;pete_dushenski;mebbe i'm low ?
1129515;1431477942;williamdunne;None of the defensive off the ropes crap
1129516;1431477962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239800 @ 0.00025163 = 60.3409 BTC [-] {2} 
1129517;1431478022;mircea_popescu;williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something.
1129518;1431478026;mircea_popescu;as a "sport"... i dunno.
1129519;1431478034;BingoBoingo;I'd like to be able to consider starting a pro-boxing career at 40
1129520;1431478052;ben_vulpes;you'd know better than i pete
1129521;1431478071;ben_vulpes;asking out of curiousity etc
1129522;1431478085;williamdunne;mircea_popescu does money count? Pretty sure there is a bonus for winning
1129523;1431478123;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes i think 'skyhook' is the cheapest, then lamassu, then the dirty, dirty robocoin.
1129524;1431478137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the nasdaq thing is just, they want to use a centralize custom scamcoin to somehow track pre-ipo trades. not really clear what this actually is, tbh, and i somehow doubt it's more than the intersection between inept bitcoin piarism and vague plans for vapornothing.
1129525;1431478147;BingoBoingo;<williamdunne> Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA << I prefer watching boxing for the constraints ove the combatants.
1129526;1431478157;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: the skyhook guys actually operate out of a warehouse across town from me
1129527;1431478159;pete_dushenski;actually, come to think of it, mebbe i'm confusing brands. might've been 'skyhook' that was $1k and lamassu really was $4-5k.
1129528;1431478171;pete_dushenski;robocoin... $20k
1129529;1431478174;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i guess. don't you think it kinda detracts from the whole thing ? like, "here, monkeys, a silver coin. FIGHT!"
1129530;1431478180;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: See I like MMA for that lack of constraints. Maybe I'm just a joe-sixpack-adrenaline junky
1129531;1431478181;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes ah cool!
1129532;1431478186;ben_vulpes;i regard the whole project as touching both terminals at the same time and avoid doing so at all costs
1129533;1431478190;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something. << This is a serious problem with MMA. It seems a majority of the competitors are just downright friendly outside the ring.
1129534;1431478209;ben_vulpes;anyways, tango now, documentation with mod6 later.
1129535;1431478215;ben_vulpes;ciao bomberos
1129536;1431478243;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances.
1129537;1431478279;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: What that lack of constraint gets you though is a rapid turnover at the top. There's so much asymmetry that no one can aspire to prolongued greatness.
1129538;1431478317;williamdunne;I'm not aiming for the greatness, I just want to see two people beat the crap out of each other. Its a bloodsport really I suppose. Turnover is entertaining.
1129539;1431478356;trinque;^ I think MMA fans would watch an actual coloseum fight just as readily.
1129540;1431478365;mircea_popescu;what'd the difference be ?
1129541;1431478378;mircea_popescu;i don't think mma guys if given the option of gladitorial arms would actually take any.
1129542;1431478389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450106 @ 0.00024746 = 111.3832 BTC [-] {4} 
1129543;1431478393;trinque;the fighters probably not, due to the whole death thing
1129544;1431478395;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances. << Which is why I'm thinking that 11-ish years from now on my 40th Birthday it might be realistic that I could become a ProBoxer
1129545;1431478397;mircea_popescu;i guess if you force them, by allowing armor. buyt then again, gladiatorial combat didn't allow much armor.
1129546;1431478400;trinque;my observation is that MMA is as close to that as you can get
1129547;1431478416;mircea_popescu;trinque my point is that actual roman weaponry would not present an improvement.
1129548;1431478423;williamdunne;Pretty much, optional and without death. Same sort of blood sport though
1129549;1431478428;trinque;ah I just meant the prospect that the opponent could be killed
1129550;1431478435;mircea_popescu;the opponent can be killed.
1129551;1431478439;mircea_popescu;happens all the time, too
1129552;1431478450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49594 @ 0.00024288 = 12.0454 BTC [-]
1129553;1431478450;BingoBoingo;trinque: Plenty of unarmored, unsanctioned, stick fights
1129554;1431478453;williamdunne;Well, in comparison to gladiator battles
1129555;1431478470;mircea_popescu;gladiator battles didnt' have THAT many casualties, you know.
1129556;1431478483;mircea_popescu;a gladiator was more expensive a piece of fixed capital than a whore.
1129557;1431478514;williamdunne;What about the slaves they battled? I'd be lying if I said I had much knowledge outside of primary education and 'Gladiator'
1129558;1431478530;mircea_popescu;gladiators were slaves.
1129559;1431478550;mircea_popescu;that's how that thing went, sporting promoters of the 100s went around, buying young strong slaves,
1129560;1431478559;mircea_popescu;then trained them for five years or so.
1129561;1431478570;mircea_popescu;then presented them (or sold them on to senatos and other dude farmers)
1129562;1431478578;williamdunne;Sorry I meant the slaves as if in thrown in the pit rather than trained like you would a prize horse
1129563;1431478589;mircea_popescu;i dunno that was very common.
1129564;1431478599;mircea_popescu;even the xtians were thrown to the lions, not to the gladiators.
1129565;1431478629;williamdunne;Sort of like the difference between a pet and next seasons dinner - even if both are property
1129566;1431478904;trinque;interesting, I was misinformed on how lethal gladiator fights were
1129567;1431478908;trinque;makes sense
1129568;1431478953;mircea_popescu;it really wasn't much higher risk than being in the army, which was you know, a good chunk of the population, especially poorer.
1129569;1431478992;williamdunne;That doesn't seem like a great standard
1129570;1431479025;mircea_popescu;for them or for you ?
1129571;1431479110;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129035 << splendid
1129572;1431479110;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 18:19:52; jurov: neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there
1129573;1431479321;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1129574;1431479484;mircea_popescu;tattoo tales from the gender prison http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcxictoZaW1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg
1129575;1431479486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNTS7v )
1129576;1431479609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245729 @ 0.000255 = 62.6609 BTC [+] {3} 
1129577;1431479662;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Them
1129578;1431479724;mircea_popescu;really ? i guess i never thought of it that way.
1129579;1431479732;mircea_popescu;you understand how roman society functioned, do you ?
1129580;1431479792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00025782 = 1.114 BTC [+]
1129581;1431479804;williamdunne;Not particularly, I know fatality rates would be vastly different dependent on region though. Obviously being a city-guard in Rome is a pretty safe job but being the the border of the empire or in active battle/expansion seems like a good way to get killed
1129582;1431479822;williamdunne;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests <<< While its probably not complete, doesn't look like many fatalities in MMA
1129583;1431479823;assbot;Fatalities in mixed martial arts contests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNUMkz )
1129584;1431479891;mircea_popescu;well ok, but in terms of standards : as a young man with no property, your options were essentially to go into military service, which offered pay and, upon serving 18ish to 20something years, a large settlement payment and provincial land.
1129585;1431479913;mircea_popescu;this allowed you to take a young woman and start a household in relative security. the exact american dream.
1129586;1431479950;mircea_popescu;the alternatives to this are unclear. if very clever you could have traded, but various ethic groups had a defacto monopoly on that, and a very large cultural advantage.
1129587;1431479994;williamdunne;Yes, I'm familiar with the land-ownership. Truly brilliant option IMO. As you say, American dream.
1129588;1431480010;mircea_popescu;otherwise... maybe become a client for some important patron, and done what the us sub-political class does today. in the day's huffington post and astroturfed meetings and whatnot. a very precarious existence, certainly the slavegirls had it better.
1129589;1431480012;williamdunne;Pretty sure the main alternative was trading or poverty
1129590;1431480031;mircea_popescu;yeah, pretty much. so... it couldn't conceivably been a bad standard for them, inasmuch as it was... the standard.
1129591;1431480090;mircea_popescu;in point of fact this is unchanged millenia later - very few kids end up here, a few more are in the military, and the rest on reddit.
1129592;1431480200;williamdunne;I am the 1%?
1129593;1431480321;mircea_popescu;maybe
1129594;1431480424;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg
1129595;1431480425;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNVSwx )
1129596;1431480576;trinque;so I made an openbsd home router, and as far as I can tell it's actually doing its job
1129597;1431480613;mircea_popescu;wd.
1129598;1431480615;trinque;appropriately blocked ports via pf, routing the internal network nicely
1129599;1431480637;williamdunne;Any chance of a writeup on it?
1129600;1431480646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95908 @ 0.00024122 = 23.1349 BTC [-] {2} 
1129601;1431480661;trinque;williamdunne: I'll see about it; wasn't that hard
1129602;1431480666;trinque;I'd have to put up some kind of blog thing
1129603;1431480693;trinque;I tend to want to have a pretty thorough understanding of a thing before I try to teach anyone else, too
1129604;1431480701;trinque;seems there are a hundred-million other knobs on pf I didn't use
1129605;1431480843;mod6;Update: gathering performance metrics on v0.5.3.1-RELEASE full blockchain sync
1129606;1431480898;trinque;I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature
1129607;1431480919;trinque;would've made more sense if it were a sort of function composition thing, where you're producing a function that'll process every packet
1129608;1431481879;BingoBoingo;<trinque> I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature << Actually the problem is they've been supplanting inherited grammar inherited from ipfw they imitated to start with towards more of a sensible firewall language
1129609;1431481907;trinque;ah I see
1129610;1431482023;BingoBoingo;trinque: The worst of the pfconf stuff is inherited
1129611;1431482039;BingoBoingo;"What people had come to expect"
1129612;1431482171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265550 @ 0.00024397 = 64.7862 BTC [+]
1129613;1431482266;BingoBoingo;<williamdunne> Any chance of a writeup on it? << A distinct feature of OpenBSD is that outside of the man pages much of the best documentation is still produced on dead trees
1129614;1431482282;decimation;trinque: what box did you use? x86?
1129615;1431482288;BingoBoingo;Well, not a feature of OpenBSD, but their culture
1129616;1431482299;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: GPG signed not good enough?
1129617;1431482327;decimation;asciilifeform: that little fanless 486 would make an ideal serial terminal
1129618;1431482348;trinque;decimation: yeah, an older p4 box
1129619;1431482348;decimation;if it runs dos - then kermit!
1129620;1431482354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96295 @ 0.00025569 = 24.6217 BTC [+]
1129621;1431482356;williamdunne;Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
1129622;1431482408;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive.  Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
1129623;1431482466;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: WHat I mean by dead tree is. People in their WoT write comprehensive books and they all check and then promote the books
1129624;1431482466;scoopbot_revived;Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/
1129625;1431482475;decimation;williamdunne: in snowdonia?
1129626;1431482502;williamdunne;decimation: Depends on if a big hill gets me enough BSD points
1129627;1431482530;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ?
1129628;1431482558;trinque;there are loads of other examples out there; my configuration isn't too interesting yet
1129629;1431482565;pete_dushenski;i'm currently working on installing openbsd on an edgerouter and will publish my own guide once completed.
1129630;1431482570;pete_dushenski;but... not there yet.
1129631;1431482578;pete_dushenski;trinque i'd like to read yours !
1129632;1431482583;trinque;probably next step for me is to stick privoxy in the middle of the http traffic
1129633;1431482584;decimation;williamdunne: do you live in devonshire?
1129634;1431482591;williamdunne;decimation: arr'
1129635;1431482596;pete_dushenski;as for 'loads of other examples', i've only seen one.
1129636;1431482623;decimation;I would like to see the chalk cliffs one day
1129637;1431482638;trinque;alright, maybe I'll do some writing this weekend
1129638;1431482679;williamdunne;decimation: Not my sorta thing personally. I'm still pissed off about the cliff collapsing and fucking up the trains for a couple of months
1129639;1431482696;decimation;heh
1129640;1431482707;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1129641;1431482728;decimation;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/the-genetic-map-of-britain/ < apparently devonshire and cornish folk are genetically distinct peoples
1129642;1431482730;assbot;The genetic map of Britain - Gene Expression ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGd2rB )
1129643;1431482772;williamdunne;I'm not from here by birth, nor are my parents. But yeah, some nutjobs in Cornwall want to be an independent country. Ignoring the fact that they actually qualify for a european regional development fund
1129644;1431482783;asciilifeform;!down ascii_field
1129645;1431482790;*;asciilifeform fat fingers
1129646;1431482806;pete_dushenski;williamdunne where's your family from originally ?
1129647;1431482822;decimation; williamdunne < about as crazy as the scots
1129648;1431482838;williamdunne;Bit of Irish, bit of Cornwall, even more home counties
1129649;1431482845;williamdunne;Pretty much
1129650;1431482853;williamdunne;Still think that London should separate
1129651;1431482865;decimation;last time I was in london I found it depressing
1129652;1431482884;decimation;awash in indians & pakistanis - doesn't feel english at all
1129653;1431482885;pete_dushenski;"North Korea's Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol has been executed, South Korea's spy agency has told parliament, according to media reports. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that MPs were told Mr Hyon had been killed on 30 April by anti-aircraft fire in front of an audience. He is believed to have been accused of showing disloyalty to North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un."
1129654;1431482889;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? << Would require consulting with the other equity partners on deciding if we will do how-to's or how to do them
1129655;1431482925;williamdunne;decimation: Kinda like it personally. Never bothered me, although I've not been there for an extended period
1129656;1431482926;decimation;anti-aircraft fire?
1129657;1431482933;trinque;I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
1129658;1431482934;pete_dushenski;death by anti-aircraft fire reminiscent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk
1129659;1431482935;assbot;Monty Python - Execution in Russia (funny sketch!) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdjek )
1129660;1431482960;decimation;williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore
1129661;1431482998;pete_dushenski;decimation you thought london was depressing ? cripes. never ever ever go to nyc.
1129662;1431482999;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski trinque: http://www.nostarch.com/pf3 << The Bible on turning an OpenBSD box into its most common appliance flavor
1129663;1431483000;assbot;Book of PF, 3rd Edition | No Starch Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdoOV )
1129664;1431483006;williamdunne;decimation: Wasn't suggesting you were - I'm just not too bothered by the Englishness thing personally. If thats your boat the South West is probably as good as it gets
1129665;1431483008;decimation;pete_dushenski: yeah that was even more depressing
1129666;1431483012;pete_dushenski;london is the light of heaven compared to nyc
1129667;1431483044;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Also on par with financial stuff
1129668;1431483050;pete_dushenski;and as far as former commercial centres go, london is about as good as it gets imo.
1129669;1431483050;trinque;BingoBoingo: looks like our giant book emporium has it, thanks! (https://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781593271657-4)
1129670;1431483052;decimation;pete_dushenski: walking the streets of nyc, all I could think was: "how the hell do all these people afford to live her"
1129671;1431483055;decimation;here
1129672;1431483062;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> london is the light of heaven compared to nyc << And the jungles of Granite City put both of those so called cities to shame
1129673;1431483097;decimation;pete_dushenski: london does have better museums than nyc in my opinion
1129674;1431483112;pete_dushenski;most definitely.
1129675;1431483122;decimation;probably the best in the world
1129676;1431483125;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo granite city ?
1129677;1431483145;BingoBoingo;trinque: I find that book for my network appliances what M. W. Lucas's BSD books are to my laptop
1129678;1431483155;pete_dushenski;decimation no argument here.
1129679;1431483156;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Granite City, Illinois
1129680;1431483157;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129300 << incorrect. from these figures alone, for sake of argument, it is technically possible that one key accounted for -all- of the moduli.
1129681;1431483157;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 22:03:27; mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ?
1129682;1431483167;BingoBoingo;;;google granite city
1129683;1431483169;gribble;Granite City Food and Brewery | Restaurant and In-House Brewery: <http://www.gcfb.net/>; Get directions to Davenport | Granite City Food and Brewery: <http://www.gcfb.net/location/davenport>; Granite City Menu | Granite City Food and Brewery: <http://www.gcfb.net/menu>
1129684;1431483171;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ahahha nice.
1129685;1431483176;asciilifeform;(we know that this is not so - but from pure mathematical pedantry, must point out!)
1129686;1431483179;BingoBoingo;;;google granite city illinois
1129687;1431483181;gribble;Granite City, Illinois.: <http://www.granitecity.illinois.gov/>; Granite City, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_City,_Illinois>; Granite City, Illinois (IL 62060) profile: population, maps, real estate ...: <http://www.city-data.com/city/Granite-City-Illinois.html>
1129688;1431483189;BingoBoingo;;;google granite city steel
1129689;1431483190;gribble;Granite City Works - Granite City, Ill. - United States Steel Corporation: <https://www.ussteel.com/uss/portal/home/aboutus/facilities/company-facilities-granitecityworks-granitecityill/!ut/p/b1/vZPLbqNAEEW_JR_A0KaBtpcYCDTvZxvYIIgN5mljgw18_STSjGY1yWYyt1Yl3dKtOlLRCR3RSZ89qjIbq0uftR99wqdKyDCsaiJ7qxAEsONwvKd7DEAb- (3 more messages)
1129690;1431483210;williamdunne;Isn't being in the US a dis-qualifier from the get go?
1129691;1431483223;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: No more than England.
1129692;1431483246;williamdunne;Bears cave vs entrance of the cave?
1129693;1431483252;BingoBoingo;Scotland and Occupied Ireland may have plusses over the US, but England not so.
1129694;1431483277;williamdunne;What functional difference does it matter?
1129695;1431483280;williamdunne;Derp
1129696;1431483283;williamdunne;does it make
1129697;1431483294;pete_dushenski;decimation the food in london, at least on a middling budget, was lackluster. or perhaps the museums and architecture just overshadowed the cuisine.
1129698;1431483306;decimation;my impression was that the food was expensive as hell
1129699;1431483318;pete_dushenski;certainly not cheap.
1129700;1431483329;decimation;as a usian, I had to pretend that $1=1gbp or else I wouldn't eat anything
1129701;1431483330;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129306 << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up
1129702;1431483330;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 22:05:41; mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?
1129703;1431483337;pete_dushenski;decimation but not worse than sydney
1129704;1431483354;decimation;how much does a good steak cost in sydney? and a local beer?
1129705;1431483371;williamdunne;Yeah London is definitely not cheap
1129706;1431483389;pete_dushenski;see: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/signs-of-sydney/
1129707;1431483391;assbot;Signs of Sydney | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdTZz )
1129708;1431483413;pete_dushenski;decimation steak is probably $40, beer $8-10 ?
1129709;1431483414;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129332 << the sluts in question were received - correctly - as agents of western rot-weapon. and treated with unusual kindness on account of being pretty gurlz
1129710;1431483414;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 22:17:42; mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents.
1129711;1431483439;decimation;that's about average for a good steak in the us, but the beer is at least double
1129712;1431483473;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129342 << mr o habitually 'dips into own stash' - i.e. engages in wishful thinking and allows boundary of reality to blur in his mind. with this in mind, he is entirely readable
1129713;1431483473;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
1129714;1431483479;decimation;one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
1129715;1431483480;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform re: housing. the cheap shit houses multimillionaires in cities too, well, 'suburbs'
1129716;1431483497;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures
1129717;1431483509;pete_dushenski;for houses ??
1129718;1431483510;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ... << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up << In my hometown Beautiful brick house on well maintained lot going for 75 kiloUSD Vinyl equivalent 100 kiloUSD higher
1129719;1431483523;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: for the kind of houses found in cities (that is, high-rises)
1129720;1431483529;decimation;pete_dushenski & asciilifeform : what about the koch brothers building their own western town in the middle of nowhere colorado
1129721;1431483537;*;asciilifeform has not been there, cannot say
1129722;1431483543;asciilifeform;it could have disney princesses for all i know
1129723;1431483570;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo bizarre...
1129724;1431483572;asciilifeform;i am operating with the common definition of 'city' as this place where civilians live in high-rises
1129725;1431483573;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures << Very common in "city proper"
1129726;1431483589;pete_dushenski;well, for high-rises sure.
1129727;1431483603;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, old low rises
1129728;1431483628;pete_dushenski;houses, even $2 mn ones, have concrete foundation and wood beam construction in these parts.
1129729;1431483629;BingoBoingo;There's reasons the lowest in St Louis burn buildings for their brick
1129730;1431483659;cazalla;people here use to pay top dollar for the land but they have this scam of building 6 shoddy buildings where one use to stand so people are paying 500k pretty much for bricks
1129731;1431483661;decimation;pete_dushenski: yeah, in the us more expensive homes are just bigger wooden boxes, built by central americans
1129732;1431483670;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129376 << diet is today, as was then, the main thing one could actually control re: one's body. and the ancient observation 'you are what you eat' appears to -still- be a revolutionary concept to 'fat acceptors' et al.
1129733;1431483670;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 23:23:27; gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that phi
1129734;1431483681;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform that's hardly a common definition in north america. why ? sprawl. no geographic boundaries to contain construction from going horizontal rather than vertical.
1129735;1431483686;BingoBoingo;Wood beams has always been the north American Standard. Wood's been so easy to get.
1129736;1431483706;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: in my mind, the zone where 'things go horizontal' is 'not city' by definition
1129737;1431483711;asciilifeform;in usa we call it 'suburb'
1129738;1431483716;asciilifeform;and it is its own type of zone
1129739;1431483721;asciilifeform;(i happen to live in one)
1129740;1431483735;decimation;asciilifeform: what do you call mcmansions in greater montgomery county
1129741;1431483738;asciilifeform;'city' is where they have underground trains, high-rises, things older than 50yrs
1129742;1431483739;asciilifeform;etc.
1129743;1431483740;pete_dushenski;decimation indeed. we're seeing increasing amounts of mexican and south us (black) labourers. rest are polacks and newfies (like nubbins`_
1129744;1431483815;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129391 << i am rather surprised to learn that anyone but me still gives a damn about gentoo
1129745;1431483815;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 23:38:48; mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly.  So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind.
1129746;1431483817;decimation;pete_dushenski: amusingly it is my understanding that the central americans have nearly completely displaced certain construction trades, to the point that it is nearly impossible for a regular white (or black) person to work on a 'framing team'
1129747;1431483824;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform that's reasonable. it's also funny to note that while i live in the city proper, it's all of two square kilometers out of, what, 40 ? 80 ?
1129748;1431483828;asciilifeform;(i had the impression that mircea_popescu gave up with it)
1129749;1431483871;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I misrememebred priced at $95 kilo, prolly sell for $75 kilo still http://www.trulia.com/property/3187919868-1515-7th-St-Highland-IL-62249
1129750;1431483874;assbot;1515 7th Street, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeuKB )
1129751;1431483874;pete_dushenski;lolk so edmonton is listed on wikipedia as having 9,426.73 km2 metro area.
1129752;1431483889;pete_dushenski;so much for using my broken head !
1129753;1431483911;pete_dushenski;really. wtf. where all my zeros at ?
1129754;1431483931;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129449 << orlov assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact.
1129755;1431483931;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 00:09:37; mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."
1129756;1431484032;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129714 <<< a lot of the good pork/beef/lamb is exported and the supermarkets import shit from china
1129757;1431484032;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 02:17:59; decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
1129758;1431484033;decimation;asciilifeform: does the 486 'headless client' run dos?
1129759;1431484033;pete_dushenski;decimation well, they gotta start south and work their way north, y'know ? i'm at 53* N latitude !
1129760;1431484055;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129468 << does running free bus from a public university to add meat to the 'peaceful protest' count as 'provoke' ?
1129761;1431484055;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 00:29:49; trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.
1129762;1431484059;asciilifeform;because they did. i saw - alive.
1129763;1431484064;asciilifeform;decimation: of course it will run dos
1129764;1431484070;asciilifeform;decimation: it is why i bought it
1129765;1431484082;decimation;not gonna put linux on it?
1129766;1431484088;asciilifeform;(in point of fact, a modern pc actually will run dos. but i also want to run classic sound card in dos)
1129767;1431484089;cazalla;another trick the use is to import shit from china via new zealand so as to label it packaged/made in new zealand instead of made in china
1129768;1431484099;pete_dushenski;ftr 53.5* N latitude is the same as hamburg, dublin, and manchester
1129769;1431484101;asciilifeform;decimation: why would i do that. i have no shortage of things to put linux on
1129770;1431484122;decimation;yeah, good point, plus if it's a dumb terminal it wouldn't add any value
1129771;1431484135;asciilifeform;if i wanted a terminal, i'd buy an ibm 'glass tty'
1129772;1431484143;asciilifeform;used to have one, it got lost in a move
1129773;1431484149;asciilifeform;ibm green-screen
1129774;1431484178;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But note the distinct discount wood offers over both brick and vinyl http://www.trulia.com/property/3201379883-1514-Broadway-Highland-IL-62249
1129775;1431484181;assbot;1514 Broadway, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeU3G )
1129776;1431484194;decimation;then it pisses xrays everywhere
1129777;1431484201;asciilifeform;'radiation king'
1129778;1431484203;BingoBoingo;^ Location in town could not be better
1129779;1431484218;asciilifeform;http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111026121420/fallout/de/images/d/d8/Rad_king.jpg
1129780;1431484218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeY3u )
1129781;1431484242;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo heh. notbad.
1129782;1431484276;asciilifeform;http://ru.fallout.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B9%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3_(%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F)?file=FO3RadiationKingTV1.png
1129783;1431484277;assbot;Радиэйшен-Кинг (компания) — Убежище ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGf0IC )
1129784;1431484277;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm scared to thing how much more that last property would sell for as a bare lot
1129785;1431484285;pete_dushenski;"Carissa Yip, 11, has become the youngest chess master in the US. " << man, those old usian men need to step it up !
1129786;1431484348;cazalla;BingoBoingo, suburb i live in http://www.domain.com.au/property/for-sale/house/vic/ringwood/?adid=2011961985&sp=15
1129787;1431484351;assbot;Ringwood, VIC 3134 | 3 Bedroom House For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWHsj )
1129788;1431484364;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it might be interesting to learn who is still playing
1129789;1431484369;asciilifeform;possibly it is only 11yo gurlz
1129790;1431484370;pete_dushenski;"Carissa Yip from Andover, Massachusetts earned the title last month and also became the youngest to ever to defeat a grandmaster, Alexander Ivanov, during the New England Open in 2014." << ok. she's good.
1129791;1431484390;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform ivanov sounds like one of your (our?) people.
1129792;1431484402;asciilifeform;idk, can't say i followed chess in the past decade
1129793;1431484405;williamdunne;Good article for Qntra:
1129794;1431484405;williamdunne;http://www.wired.com/2015/05/new-york-backs-bitcoin-exchange-may-not-fly-california/
1129795;1431484406;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWIMO )
1129796;1431484416;williamdunne;Sure there is plenty of stupidity that can be pointed out
1129797;1431484437;pete_dushenski;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ivanov_(chess_player)#/media/File:Grand_Master_Alexander_Ivanov.jpg
1129798;1431484438;assbot;Alexander Ivanov (chess player) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWJQL )
1129799;1431484464;pete_dushenski;^'american'
1129800;1431484467;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Covered already http://qntra.net/2015/05/itbit-unveils-new-board-confirming-qntra-report/
1129801;1431484467;assbot;ItBit Unveils New Board Confirming Qntra Report | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWN33 )
1129802;1431484498;pete_dushenski;okie dokie gang, off to save the world. laters !!
1129803;1431484513;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Its saying that they may need further licenses - slightly different, no?
1129804;1431484534;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see the osama death raid 'alternate history'?
1129805;1431484535;williamdunne;>Alexander >Ivanov
1129806;1431484543;asciilifeform;decimation: ?
1129807;1431484557;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: "CoinBase earlier announced licensing to operate as an exchange in all 50 states, an assertion which was later found to be questionable."
1129808;1431484570;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: This is re: itbit not CoinBase
1129809;1431484578;williamdunne;Same stupidity different party
1129810;1431484601;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Sentence from ItBit article highlighting how this problem has happened before and will happen again.
1129811;1431484647;decimation;http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden
1129812;1431484647;assbot;Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGfG0E )
1129813;1431484699;BingoBoingo;None of ItBit, CoinBase, or Gerald "DeathandTaxes" will ever get licensure in all 50 US states because of Federalism yet they will all pretend to have reached it.
1129814;1431484702;decimation;obama's staff said it is all lies
1129815;1431484767;asciilifeform;decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
1129816;1431484782;asciilifeform;does not add or subtract to the credibility of linked piece. but worth noting.
1129817;1431484783;decimation;aye
1129818;1431484917;asciilifeform;'The retired official said there had been another complication: some members of the Seal team had bragged to colleagues and others that they had torn bin Laden�s body to pieces with rifle fire. The remains, including his head, which had only a few bullet holes in it, were thrown into a body bag and, during the helicopter flight back to Jalalabad, some body parts were tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains � or so the Sea
1129819;1431484917;asciilifeform;ls claimed. At the time, the retired official said, the Seals did not think their mission would be made public by Obama within a few hours: �If the president had gone ahead with the cover story, there would have been no need to have a funeral within hours of the killing. Once the cover story was blown, and the death was made public, the White House had a serious �Where�s the body?� problem. '
1129820;1431484950;decimation;makes sense
1129821;1431484965;asciilifeform;'The world knew US forces had killed bin Laden in Abbottabad. Panic city. What to do? We need a �functional body� because we have to be able to say we identified bin Laden via a DNA analysis. It would be navy officers who came up with the �burial at sea� idea. Perfect. No body. Honourable burial following sharia law. Burial is made public in great detail, but Freedom of Information documents confirming the burial are d
1129822;1431484965;asciilifeform;enied for reasons of �national security�. It�s the classic unravelling of a poorly constructed cover story � it solves an immediate problem but, given the slightest inspection, there is no back-up support. There never was a plan, initially, to take the body to sea, and no burial of bin Laden at sea took place.� The retired official said that if the Seals� first accounts are to be believed, there wouldn�t have bee
1129823;1431484966;asciilifeform;n much left of bin Laden to put into the sea in any case.'
1129824;1431485055;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129594 << physics boy
1129825;1431485055;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 01:27:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg
1129826;1431485077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
1129827;1431485100;asciilifeform;and is this a good fate or no
1129828;1431485105;asciilifeform;perhaps he was - poor student.
1129829;1431485249;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129622 << you were thinking of netbsd? which has that idiotic turd, using openssl
1129830;1431485249;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 02:00:08; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive.  Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
1129831;1431485667;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, OpenBSD has "signify" uses NACL based thing
1129832;1431485685;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1129833;1431485695;asciilifeform;about as distasteful as openssl
1129834;1431485848;BingoBoingo;Well, the libsodium thing. Yes distasteful. Used though only for signing and verifying. Pretty sure we had a short convo about how similar "reop" sucked. Far from ideal, then again ideal needs new silicon.
1129835;1431485998;BingoBoingo;People who have been fumbling in their own WoT simply trying to come up with a useful code signing tool. Ideal, no. Useful, maybe. MP continues his Bob Beck fatwa? Well, MP never really ends those in practice.
1129836;1431486015;asciilifeform;bob beck ?
1129837;1431486028;asciilifeform;useful code signing tool ?
1129838;1431486049;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Bob Beck the OpenBSd fundraiser. Sginify though was different person, tedu
1129839;1431486126;BingoBoingo;OpenBSD though is at its weirdest reading Loper-OS and it is recognized as C coders trying to make the safest Unix they can
1129840;1431486233;*;BingoBoingo in practice views signify as the equivalent of iso images with md5 fingerprint offered in 2004. Some asurance contents as packged, but not any guarentee
1129841;1431486255;*;BingoBoingo has also not yet built OpenBSD 5.7
1129842;1431486303;BingoBoingo;So necessarily has not installed it
1129843;1431486380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57926 @ 0.0002562 = 14.8406 BTC [+] {2} 
1129844;1431486563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160000 @ 0.00025621 = 40.9936 BTC [+]
1129845;1431486755;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: So the Van Cleef name in your linked article was also the same person at the CFTC meeting on Virtual currencies and with lesser connection may have been:
1129846;1431486766;BingoBoingo;!s VanCleef
1129847;1431486766;assbot;2054 results for 'VanCleef' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=VanCleef
1129848;1431487799;mircea_popescu;shit, i go watch a couple bad marty feldman movies, the log runs off
1129849;1431488210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00025176 = 15.0552 BTC [-]
1129850;1431488351;menahem;lol, i'm here.
1129851;1431488356;menahem;steady lurkin'.
1129852;1431488463;menahem;how were the flicks ?
1129853;1431488469;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129621 << real men write all their documentation in welts on nubile caucasian hide.
1129854;1431488469;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 01:59:16; williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
1129855;1431488488;mircea_popescu;menahem pretty bad.
1129856;1431488511;menahem;lol, I know you know your films.  which ones did you watch ?
1129857;1431488536;mircea_popescu;"slapstick of another kind" and "the last remake of beau geste"
1129858;1431488542;menahem;and LOL at documenting yoself on some fine booty.
1129859;1431488554;mircea_popescu;the first's only vaguely notable because it depicts a marginal us (in the 70s) running everything on chicken shit
1129860;1431488585;mircea_popescu;president even quips that imagine, the most important man of the 2nd richest most powerful country being reduced to this! air force one powered on chicken droppings!
1129861;1431488597;mircea_popescu;(the chickens are in the cockpit, occupying the entire left side)
1129862;1431488626;decimation;^ cheaper than liquified coal
1129863;1431488640;mircea_popescu;the 2nd is pretty bad throughout, sort-of a lawrence of arabia made by first time drunk teenagers
1129864;1431488723;menahem;ahh, getting drunk the first time as a teen.  good memories.
1129865;1431488760;mircea_popescu;right ?
1129866;1431488775;mircea_popescu;usians don't even know what thery're missing, gettin gdrunk for the first time at 21 is not the same.
1129867;1431488811;decimation;^ rarely do they wait until 21
1129868;1431488811;menahem;yea by 21 it's almost old.  like a pair of worn in pants or something.  still useful, but not new.
1129869;1431488827;decimation;although note that usg is fine with 18 year-olds voting and dying in the military
1129870;1431488861;mircea_popescu;dude pete_dushenski has his moments. whodda thunk he has such subtle points down pat as "the most important thing is to not overprice".
1129871;1431488868;mircea_popescu;most people die before figuring that much out.
1129872;1431488900;menahem;pete_dushenski is a pimp.  love that guy.
1129873;1431488902;mircea_popescu;you WILL actually make more money letting slightly under market than in ANY other way.
1129874;1431488944;decimation;oh that reminds me, I heard a good econtalk today http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/michael_ohare_o.html
1129875;1431488945;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1F65HAL )
1129876;1431488945;mircea_popescu;and exactly for the reason stated : if you're a slight prize, you get the best crop of tenants competing for you. if not... you're stuck rooting through the bottom of the barrel.
1129877;1431488954;mircea_popescu;and gawd almighty is that barrel deep and has the cat pissed in it.
1129878;1431488965;menahem;lol
1129879;1431488969;menahem;you have the link to that ?
1129880;1431488977;mircea_popescu;to what, the cat ?
1129881;1431488983;menahem;lol dushenski on that
1129882;1431488984;mircea_popescu;it's a metaphor
1129883;1431488986;*;menahem searching the logs
1129884;1431488989;mircea_popescu;http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/
1129885;1431488991;assbot;Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1F65KMO )
1129886;1431489012;menahem;ahh brand new, just missed it
1129887;1431489054;decimation;"But the one thing it seems to me that economists wake up--if you wake them up in the middle of the night and say, 'Hey, what's the most important thing?' They will say, 'Marginal cost pricing.' That the way to make a market work properly is that everything should be offered for sale at its marginal cost, which is the cost of someone using it."
1129888;1431489090;asciilifeform;l0l re: article. also remembering 'rentalstarter' etc. for what it's worth, i live on the other end of that stick, the rental market that virtually nobody caters to
1129889;1431489092;decimation;This was in the context of a conversation about art museums.  apparently it is forbidden for any art museum to contemplate selling any of their art
1129890;1431489100;asciilifeform;(free-standing houses)
1129891;1431489106;mircea_popescu;decimation so it is.
1129892;1431489124;mircea_popescu;as any purely fiat market, the art market exists strictly on the basis of such policies.
1129893;1431489136;decimation;"'? Guest: Any museum--I'm paraphrasing--it basically says any museum that sells art for any purpose for any purpose other than to buy more art--so it's okay if you have three paintings by Painter A and none by Painter B and you like Painter B and you sell an A painting and buy a B painting. That's okay. But if you ever sell out of the collection for any purpose other than more collecting, then other museum directors are forbidden by
1129894;1431489186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody caters to anything but the govt where you live.
1129895;1431489199;decimation;so apparently most of the monets in the us are sitting in a vault in chicago
1129896;1431489199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, palace economy
1129897;1431489220;decimation;becuase it would be unethical to sell one to a museum in grand rapids so they could display it
1129898;1431489222;BingoBoingo;Speaking of markets and assets, does anyone want to buy assorted daisy and iris rhizomes for fall delivery?
1129899;1431489229;mircea_popescu;decimation this is strictly better than selling them to that texan idiot that put his fist through em
1129900;1431489248;decimation;sure, no doubt
1129901;1431489261;asciilifeform;l0l when was this
1129902;1431489267;asciilifeform;somehow missed it
1129903;1431489278;decimation;apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high
1129904;1431489290;mircea_popescu;that bitcoin isp thread on trilema has turned into one of the flat out strangest things i've witnessed online lately.
1129905;1431489305;decimation;"Everybody in Chicago has what is--three and a half million people in the metropolitan area and $35 billion, like three thousand dollar [?] endowment sitting in the basement of this museum."
1129906;1431489334;BingoBoingo;<decimation> apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high << I price my iris and daisy rhizomes high because historical artifacts. FBI surrendered to BTC once in this yard
1129907;1431489342;decimation;heh
1129908;1431489353;asciilifeform;decimation: the entire art market is wholly and solely a kind of 'low-tech bitcoin' for fiat lizards
1129909;1431489361;decimation;yeah exactly
1129910;1431489381;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm reading it now. mindfuck.
1129911;1431489384;decimation;the net effect is that it makes rich people think they are big shots and strokes the egos of the academic idiots
1129912;1431489412;asciilifeform;decimation: notice the obsession with authentication. of, even, jackson pollack's splatters
1129913;1431489432;asciilifeform;it is the dead giveaway of the actual purpose of the whole orchestra.
1129914;1431489452;asciilifeform;has nothing to do with aesthetics, and everything with a kind of bizarre monetization.
1129915;1431489505;mircea_popescu;o btw, the romanians failed this http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-americana/ "test of americana" back in the day.
1129916;1431489506;assbot;Test de Americana on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F669Pe )
1129917;1431489529;mircea_popescu;questionb being "what town is being entered and which direction"
1129918;1431489533;*;asciilifeform remembers the 'test de americana' in sierra's 'leisure suit larry'
1129919;1431489594;mircea_popescu;hehe
1129920;1431489627;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://maakal.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/leisure-suit-larry-age-verification.html
1129921;1431489627;assbot;Solved: Leisure Suit Larry Age Verification Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZjZEo )
1129922;1431489708;asciilifeform;waitasec
1129923;1431489715;asciilifeform;this is -not- the classic set!
1129924;1431489724;asciilifeform;mentions 'enron', wtf.
1129925;1431489742;asciilifeform;and 'freedom fries' etc
1129926;1431489797;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anbd re wynn's mishap : http://www.google.com.ar/url?url=http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/10/23/the-40-million-elbow&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=1MxSVZXzHsOdgwTPxYAo&ved=0CBoQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHcHL4pbfohTFpHaR9wDiL5DGoE2A
1129927;1431489798;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZke2d )
1129928;1431489825;*;BingoBoingo of all things wants land in USia capable of growing serious onions, for the only reason that onion futures in USia are banned
1129929;1431489876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, better source. http://www.allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.html
1129930;1431489879;assbot;LSL1 Age Quiz - Al Lowe's Humor Site ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZkhLm )
1129931;1431490263;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is it with the koreans and killing people with antiaircraft guns.
1129932;1431490268;mircea_popescu;is this the effect of the rambo series ?
1129933;1431490281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am presently at a loss for reasons to believe that it happened
1129934;1431490300;asciilifeform;south kr mouthpieces tell tales of precisely this flavour regularly
1129935;1431490301;mod6;Alright I've got a Gentoo AMD64 uclibc hardened booted successfully. I basically just had a few minor tweaks to make to the notes; i.e., uclibc version doens't install grub by default, there is no /etc/locale.gen by default.  That kinda thing.
1129936;1431490319;mod6;I'm having a bit of ssh pubkey auth issues again.
1129937;1431490343;asciilifeform;and the disgraced and supposedly blown-from-cannons fella has, just as believably, been alleged to have been seen in public again.
1129938;1431490345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00025621 = 5.5469 BTC [+]
1129939;1431490346;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129660 << sadly, distinctness and stupidity are pretty much married these days.
1129940;1431490346;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 02:09:20; decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore
1129941;1431490360;mod6;anyone know if service starts up on its own in the uclibc version?
1129942;1431490368;mircea_popescu;mod6 dun think so.
1129943;1431490368;*;BingoBoingo likes the rando commenters addopting scamzor names and trying to out a comment by the since quit pankkake: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/
1129944;1431490368;assbot;Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F67oOG )
1129945;1431490390;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> is this the effect of the rambo series ? << Yes
1129946;1431490436;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it.  what news would it be then.
1129947;1431490436;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
1129948;1431490463;BingoBoingo;As far as lower Korea is concerned they beat the Chicoms by having anti aircraft guns entrenched mostest
1129949;1431490507;*;asciilifeform has always liked the british 'devil's wind' cannon punishment, but for some reason grew up believing at first that it had been invented by the turks
1129950;1431490512;mircea_popescu;im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore.
1129951;1431490515;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it.  what news would it be then. << Principle objection to how too articles
1129952;1431490515;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
1129953;1431490540;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra.
1129954;1431490546;decimation;mircea_popescu: the reason distinctness and stupidity are married is because social democracy sucks anyone with half a brain out of his native soil and places him in bureaucracy
1129955;1431490550;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore <<Anti-personelle duty fron the aim impoverished.\
1129956;1431490562;mircea_popescu;decimation may well be.
1129957;1431490575;decimation;the wehrmacht made good use of their 88mm guns for a variety of purposes
1129958;1431490598;mircea_popescu;it may also be that distinctness is a flavour of tradition, and no tradition survived ww2.
1129959;1431490614;decimation;yeah that's largely true
1129960;1431490623;mod6;awe crap, might have missed `rc-update add local default`. aight one more try here.
1129961;1431490669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform:  incorrect. from these figures alone << then they're not terribly useful figures are they :D
1129962;1431490680;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra. << Sure. Maybe it is a congitive bias of myself, but I assume persona; wordfests would always get the best Tips and Tricks (TM firstest)
1129963;1431490772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105827 @ 0.00025841 = 27.3468 BTC [+] {2} 
1129964;1431490808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: the sluts in question <<< doesn't change the fact that the sentiment was genuine.
1129965;1431490829;mircea_popescu;im pretty certain more russians identify with a femen-centered-reality than with a stalin centered one.
1129966;1431490906;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ua3j7W8a1qhn3zpo1_1280.jpg
1129967;1431490906;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZlbYy )
1129968;1431490958;decimation;lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8 < some crazy kiwis have restored an 88mm flak, fire blanks randomy
1129969;1431490959;assbot;88mm Flak - WW2 Anti-Aircraft Gun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZlgvc )
1129970;1431490971;mod6; * rc-update: local already installed in runlevel `default'; skipping << hmm.
1129971;1431491077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224100 @ 0.00025153 = 56.3679 BTC [-] {2} 
1129972;1431491138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137512 @ 0.00026012 = 35.7696 BTC [+] {2} 
1129973;1431491139;mod6;have to pick it up tomorrow.
1129974;1431491234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ?
1129975;1431491308;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ? << Nah, most "officers" same just Iraw army aged out
1129976;1431491321;mircea_popescu;myeah
1129977;1431491429;BingoBoingo;Just ungodly turnover.
1129978;1431491528;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129815 << this point is particularly amusing. what will the soldiers sent to kill the next obama do ?
1129979;1431491528;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 02:39:27; asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
1129980;1431491543;mircea_popescu;guy, if he has any sense, will go "hey, you kill me - they kill you."
1129981;1431492191;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129826 << sadly, i have nfi. there's a bunch of ru/ukr photogs that do fetish-y/arts-y stuff in the style of met, but i can't trace this one.
1129982;1431492191;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 02:44:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
1129983;1431492304;mircea_popescu;o wait, williamdunne = vanclef ?
1129984;1431492364;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No, he linked to articles mentioning a Vancleef who was the same Vancleef in the CFTC hearings
1129985;1431492372;mircea_popescu;aha
1129986;1431492400;BingoBoingo;Still God only knows if that is the same Vancleef who noised up here back in the day
1129987;1431492510;mircea_popescu;o, also : http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/world/europe/romanians-tale-has-art-world-fearing-worst.html
1129988;1431492513;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZmDtX )
1129989;1431492592;decimation;oh no what a shame
1129990;1431492600;decimation;now those monets can't be kept in some basement somewhere
1129991;1431492663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 399900 @ 0.00025131 = 100.4989 BTC [-] {2} 
1129992;1431492707;decimation;http://www.isegoria.net/2015/05/a-good-guy-with-a-gun/ < note that a single regular beat cop with a 9mm handgun was what stopped the crazy 'terrorists' in texas
1129993;1431492708;assbot;A Good Guy with a Gun «  Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZmNRZ )
1129994;1431492753;decimation;one cop that could shoot accurately was infinitely more effective at 'stopping terrorists' than hundreds of thousands of security bureaucrats
1129995;1431492789;mircea_popescu;decimation mostly quoted for the "A Romanian forensic expert at work in a laboratory at the National History Museum in Bucharest." running... windows.
1129996;1431492808;decimation; heh, probably most such laboratories run windows
1129997;1431492818;decimation;because that's what their fancy machines use
1129998;1431492834;mircea_popescu;and his display i think is the basic image viewer
1129999;1431492870;decimation;heh that's lulzy - it is the 'windows fax and media viewer'
1130000;1431492942;mircea_popescu;with experts such as these, we hardly need brutish peasants anymore.
1130001;1431492959;decimation;"Referring to the Dogarus, Mr. Oberlander-Tarnoveanu said, "It seems they were not very honest, because apparently a lot of members of the family had a long judicial history."
1130002;1431492965;decimation;no shit sherlock
1130003;1431493016;decimation;from the earlier podcast "Again, if you accept my proposition that the object of the museum enterprise is for people to be engaging with art rather than for museums to be possessing art, then I think all of these questions come to the surface, and that they are real possibilities once we understand how much enormous wealth has been accumulated and isn't being put to use."
1130004;1431493065;decimation;note the difference between merely possessing and engaging - "Yeah I have a chunk of that roman temple, it's my birdbath"
1130005;1431493085;mircea_popescu;what if i don't accept that proposition ?
1130006;1431493109;mircea_popescu;it seems to me the height of stupidity. "people" have specifically no business "engaging" with art.
1130007;1431493128;mircea_popescu;they've "engaged" with literature, and it was to everyone's detriment.
1130008;1431493151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.0002603 = 18.7676 BTC [+]
1130009;1431493186;decimation;heh.  well if you zoom out to the big picture - there is no 'optimal' distribution of art if you define 'optimal' as 'turns peasants into people'
1130010;1431493250;mircea_popescu;right ?
1130011;1431493265;decimation;the layers of pretense wrapped up in the 'art' market are amusing
1130012;1431493297;mircea_popescu;there is this very ridiculous animism at work, whereby somehow "art" is objectively beautiful, and beauty is somehow objectively good, which makes it you know, turn lions to lambs.
1130013;1431493297;decimation;rich folk pretend they have taste, 'art people' pretend they are somebodies, hedge fund managers pretend they are 'investing'
1130014;1431493301;mircea_popescu;a trope as old as the greeks.
1130015;1431493345;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the purpose of art is much simpler : the mob is illiterate, and art is the single letter alphabet catering to all its needs : "THIS IS WHY YOU ARE SCUM". that's the only sentence that needs to be expressed.
1130016;1431493353;decimation;cities pretend they have culture, schools pretend to education.  all because some derp scribble some shit on a canvas
1130017;1431493362;mircea_popescu;and that's why revolution -> looting versailles is such an automatism
1130018;1431493374;mircea_popescu;and why the "golden toilets" propaganda bits of contemporaneity.
1130019;1431493407;decimation;because when the san qulot saw the fancy paintings they knew in their hindbrain that they were inferior?
1130020;1431493441;mircea_popescu;no, because they had spent their lives with the "you are inferior because versailles" mantra
1130021;1431493455;mircea_popescu;so once they decided to no longewr be inferior they had to do SOMETHING about this
1130022;1431493486;mircea_popescu;there really is no objective anything in aesthetics. what hindbrains.
1130023;1431493514;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution#/media/File:Cruikshank_-_The_Radical%27s_Arms.png
1130024;1431493516;assbot;French Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZnrik )
1130025;1431493611;mircea_popescu;is that up top a frigian gynecologist's cap with candles ?
1130026;1431493665;decimation;heh yeah it's a phrygian cap
1130027;1431493668;decimation;donno why the candles
1130028;1431493712;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap < for folks who don't know
1130029;1431493713;assbot;Phrygian cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtzvH )
1130030;1431493784;decimation;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap#/media/File:Manif_pour_tous_Paris_2013-01-13_n11.jpg < continues even to this day, the derpitude
1130031;1431493785;assbot;Phrygian cap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtEiU )
1130032;1431493954;decimation;heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "
1130033;1431494009;mircea_popescu;heh.
1130034;1431494017;mircea_popescu;argentinians are really into the cap.
1130035;1431494048;decimation;usians have mostly forgotten about it, even though it apparently is on the seal of the us senate
1130036;1431494106;decimation;is argentina going to slide into socialist morass like brazil and mexico?
1130037;1431494231;mircea_popescu;no. brazil and mexico are actually developped economies and so forth.
1130038;1431494237;mircea_popescu;argentina is a bunch of inept peasants.
1130039;1431494251;mircea_popescu;they used to export meat, but failed to meet the quotas, lost the contracts, are now exporting soy.
1130040;1431494261;mircea_popescu;argentina is headed to go look for chad, not for brazil.
1130041;1431494274;decimation;it's amusing that the supposed flower of germany's exiles haven't seem to have underped argentina
1130042;1431494285;mircea_popescu;heh. country is half italians.
1130043;1431494289;mircea_popescu;no place could survive such a thing.
1130044;1431494293;decimation;heh
1130045;1431494450;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Tree_map_export_2009_Argentina.jpeg < there you go.
1130046;1431494451;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGuDjg )
1130047;1431494493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167950 @ 0.00025116 = 42.1823 BTC [-]
1130048;1431494523;decimation;lol oilcake
1130049;1431494541;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romania_Export_Treemap.png << meanwhile this is what they THINK they're doing.
1130050;1431494542;assbot;File:Romania Export Treemap.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGuMmO )
1130051;1431494570;decimation;wow romania actually makes shit
1130052;1431494618;mircea_popescu;!up copypaste
1130053;1431494643;copypaste;thanks
1130054;1431494654;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
1130055;1431494678;copypaste;i own 8ch.net. i was here before, maybe when it was called 8chan.co, on a different nick.
1130056;1431494684;decimation;I bet the majority of argintina's 'raw materials' exports are extracted by foreign corporations
1130057;1431494691;mircea_popescu;doh.
1130058;1431494698;mircea_popescu;o yeah. how goes ?
1130059;1431494709;copypaste;quite well actually
1130060;1431494728;cazalla;copypaste, hotwheels?
1130061;1431494742;copypaste;yes, that's the name people have given me ;)
1130062;1431494746;copypaste;this is my normal nick
1130063;1431494761;mircea_popescu;copypaste you know it'd be a great idea to make and register a gpg identity, that way you won't have to lose your identity
1130064;1431494774;cazalla;copypaste, i like ben garrison's drawing of you
1130065;1431494792;cazalla;can you lick your elbow for us here btw?
1130066;1431494796;copypaste;lol
1130067;1431494796;mircea_popescu;lmao
1130068;1431494800;copypaste;yes i was here to do that after reading some of your blogs. i really like the recent one about argentina
1130069;1431494812;mircea_popescu;hey, do you do advertising on 8chan ?
1130070;1431494814;copypaste;you said that no one is anyone in bitcoin if they aren't in the WoT so I came around to attempt to become someone
1130071;1431494818;copypaste;I do
1130072;1431494823;mircea_popescu;it's not hard.
1130073;1431494823;mircea_popescu;!h
1130074;1431494823;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1130075;1431494838;mircea_popescu;aite so get in the wot then let's work something out.
1130076;1431494848;cazalla;copypaste, you should BingoBoingo about all the hottie pinos you're banging
1130077;1431494858;copypaste;hehehe
1130078;1431494859;cazalla;tell i mean
1130079;1431495180;BingoBoingo;So Jealous here in lower Illinois.
1130080;1431495195;copypaste;OK. I did !register but !up tells me I have to have a certain rating to !up
1130081;1431495207;mircea_popescu;and to satisfy cazalla's urge for interracial hotties, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcerq1G5fk1rj0p5uo1_1280.jpg
1130082;1431495208;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZp8MQ )
1130083;1431495211;copypaste;I don't see any other way to verify though
1130084;1431495220;mircea_popescu;!rate copypaste 1 Presumably, 8chan owner
1130085;1431495220;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5e6659d6e8e7099a
1130086;1431495236;BingoBoingo;!rate copypaste 1 Rolling fury
1130087;1431495236;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9896ee597a66a987
1130088;1431495241;copypaste;thanks
1130089;1431495255;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.copypaste.1:6a39e2875f7495615b8265fa1f1f6054353e1a308551b3c4a80dae745ff74ed8
1130090;1431495255;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Presumably, 8chan owner
1130091;1431495287;copypaste;hmm
1130092;1431495291;copypaste;gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
1130093;1431495300;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.copypaste.1:a6902919995628c0c68869bfdf8c7522fa21bd81a50d0776b7f7799f4cc9b42e
1130094;1431495300;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: Rolling fury
1130095;1431495301;copypaste;but I did
1130096;1431495302;copypaste;01:31:43 copypaste !register 6F12EC72A82ABCA35235063A10DDC983901AA183
1130097;1431495311;copypaste;not sure what key is 16B8E32E
1130098;1431495320;mircea_popescu;!gettrust copypaste
1130099;1431495322;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user copypaste: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=copypaste | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/copypaste/
1130100;1431495346;mircea_popescu;dang alpha doesn't have him yet
1130101;1431495360;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Alpha only updates daily
1130102;1431495363;mircea_popescu;ya
1130103;1431495433;mircea_popescu;[tonick] => copypaste [tokey] => 6f12ec72a82abca35235063a10ddc983901aa183
1130104;1431495455;copypaste;http://w.b-a.link/otp/5e6659d6e8e7099a is encrypted with ID 16B8E32E
1130105;1431495455;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGwbtu )
1130106;1431495455;mircea_popescu;you're registered alright, what's the problem
1130107;1431495460;*;BingoBoingo still soliciting bids on decade old Iris rhizomes in purple, yellow and gold as well as white common daisy rhizomes
1130108;1431495467;copypaste;So that's the wrong key
1130109;1431495467;mircea_popescu;copypaste that's his key.
1130110;1431495469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 440968 @ 0.00026023 = 114.7531 BTC [+] {3} 
1130111;1431495471;copypaste;Oh
1130112;1431495476;mircea_popescu;he needs to confirm his rating of you
1130113;1431495485;cazalla;!rate copypaste 1 prolly JIDF but anyway
1130114;1431495485;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e938803b880a802b
1130115;1431495488;copypaste;I understand. I thought you were telling me how to verify, sorry.
1130116;1431495489;copypaste;lol
1130117;1431495503;mircea_popescu;nah, you registered and got ratings, you're good.
1130118;1431495515;BingoBoingo;copypaste: It is a cognitive hiccup we all hit nao
1130119;1431495530;mircea_popescu;tomorrow can check out your name in alpha website, under http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/copypaste
1130120;1431495531;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGwioQ )
1130121;1431495535;BingoBoingo;previous different bot was different
1130122;1431495559;mircea_popescu;ok, so now : what would you want to push the "Welcome to 8chan," text to the right on 8chan, and sell me the center there.
1130123;1431495578;copypaste;For how long?
1130124;1431495591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00026003 = 40.8507 BTC [-]
1130125;1431495603;copypaste;Also, I recommend putting ads on the boards (or the boards page https://8ch.net/boards.html ) and not the homepage for the most people to see it.
1130126;1431495604;assbot;Boards on ∞chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpxin )
1130127;1431495620;mircea_popescu;forever.
1130128;1431495626;mircea_popescu;paid monthly or w/e.
1130129;1431495632;mircea_popescu;hm
1130130;1431495638;copypaste;forever, haha. what would the text be?
1130131;1431495650;mircea_popescu;oh i see... yeah boards much better huh
1130132;1431495666;copypaste;Yeah. Most people just bookmark their favorite board or whatever.
1130133;1431495673;mircea_popescu;right makes sense.
1130134;1431495685;mircea_popescu;the idea being that i'd just rotate banners, whatever they might be.
1130135;1431495693;cazalla;!v assbot:cazalla.rate.copypaste.1:3cabd5a51fac525d743abba6bdd058dd0c0a75bdb94cde95251c51e58e81e598
1130136;1431495693;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: prolly JIDF but anyway
1130137;1431495706;mircea_popescu;;;ud jidf
1130138;1431495707;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jidf | Jidf is an acronym for Jewish Internet Defense Force, an organization, whose job is to spread positive propaganda about Israel. Supporting Isreal on news ...
1130139;1431495715;mircea_popescu;ahaha wut.
1130140;1431495728;mircea_popescu;cazalla incidentally, i was reading about some anti-racist association thingee. was good for a lol.
1130141;1431495741;cazalla;it's a /pol/ joke/troll
1130142;1431495754;copypaste;Well, it is a real organization too.
1130143;1431495762;copypaste;But it's not known if they actually post on 4/8chan.
1130144;1431495863;mircea_popescu;so are mine. http://antiracistaction.org/?p=275 << derping about how they beat up on some dudes.
1130145;1431495865;assbot;  » TRADITIONALIST YOUTH NETWORK ATTACKED MINUTES BEFORE THEIR DEMONSTRATION ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpN0P )
1130146;1431495867;mircea_popescu;very adolescentine altogether.
1130147;1431495903;cazalla;pretty sure they posted on 4chan but prob not near as much as claimed
1130148;1431495903;mircea_popescu;made me feel 16 all over again
1130149;1431495936;mircea_popescu;o, wait, cause there's this jews imageboard meme, rite.
1130150;1431495947;copypaste;Yes
1130151;1431495955;mircea_popescu;copypaste any reason those banners are all tiny ?
1130152;1431495972;copypaste;728x90 is tiny?
1130153;1431495979;copypaste;I assumed it was a standard size
1130154;1431495981;mircea_popescu;maybe i happenbed opn a small one lessee
1130155;1431495990;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/static/banners/n/1429920267517.jpg <<
1130156;1431495990;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZpV0b )
1130157;1431495994;mircea_popescu;that can't be 728 across
1130158;1431496002;copypaste;Ahh. That's not an ad banner, it's a board banner.
1130159;1431496007;copypaste;They're set by whoever creates the board.
1130160;1431496017;mircea_popescu;oh
1130161;1431496019;copypaste;Ad banners are above the post form
1130162;1431496026;copypaste;On 404 pages, and on catalog pages. Yeah.
1130163;1431496061;mircea_popescu;so those anonymous ads things ?
1130164;1431496072;mircea_popescu;ugly whiter Pirate Center Fast Torrent Downloads Download Movies Music Games & Software Free & FAST pirate.center" thing ?
1130165;1431496074;cazalla;copypaste, so is it copypaste? i figured it was hotwheels for real
1130166;1431496079;*;BingoBoingo thinking everyday a proboxing fight for my 40th birthday is more realistic
1130167;1431496094;copypaste;cazalla: I am hotwheels for real, how would you like me to verify that?
1130168;1431496110;copypaste;I added my pubkey from http://8ch.net/pubkey.txt to assbot
1130169;1431496111;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZq0B4 )
1130170;1431496115;cazalla;no, i mean nickwise
1130171;1431496129;cazalla;wasn't sure if you call yourself hotwheels or just others
1130172;1431496129;mircea_popescu;that's actually valid verification.
1130173;1431496147;copypaste;Oh. I've always used the nick "copypaste" in IRC ( as well as on Github: http://github.com/ctrlcctrlv ). Hotwheels is a meme.
1130174;1431496148;assbot;ctrlcctrlv (Fredrick Brennan) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZq2sC )
1130175;1431496173;mircea_popescu;copypaste ok, so how much do "anonymous-ads" pay you for that spot ?
1130176;1431496194;copypaste;It was abysmal before I contacted the owner. Then he paid me 0.01BTC for yesterday.
1130177;1431496200;copypaste;Still pretty abysmal, but it was even worse before.
1130178;1431496205;mircea_popescu;ahaha.
1130179;1431496228;mircea_popescu;i''ll payt you 1 btc upfront for the first month and you give it to me, exclusive. no other ads on 8chan
1130180;1431496228;cazalla;copypaste, ah ok got it, wasn't questioning if you are who you claim to be btw
1130181;1431496233;mircea_popescu;anbd this includes coinbase bullshit.
1130182;1431496271;copypaste;I'm not even getting paid for that Coinbase link ;) 4free
1130183;1431496295;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu> so are mine. http://antiracistaction.org/?p=275 << derping about how they beat up on some dudes.<< WHat the everloving fuck.
1130184;1431496297;assbot;  » TRADITIONALIST YOUTH NETWORK ATTACKED MINUTES BEFORE THEIR DEMONSTRATION ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZqbw1 )
1130185;1431496322;mircea_popescu;copypaste i write you a rotator script, you just pull that in ?
1130186;1431496358;copypaste;mircea_popescu: Some boards don't have a-ads. The agreement with the hosting company is that for some boards, they put their own ads, but I don't know how much those make. In turn they don't send me a bill.
1130187;1431496373;mircea_popescu;which boards are these ?
1130188;1431496375;copypaste;I can put it on all the a-ads boards, but if I made it exclusive for you for the whole site, I'd need to find a new host.
1130189;1431496406;BingoBoingo;I guess BTC-ISP will have to fish a new client...
1130190;1431496409;copypaste;They are...every board except:
1130191;1431496412;copypaste;$config['banned_ad_boards'] = array('b','furry','cuteboys','hebe','erp','loli','hentaikey4','younglove','r9k','ssft','deutsch','bbw','r','rule34','100l','hentaikey4','kong','lit','baphomet');
1130192;1431496426;*;mircea_popescu doesn't even know wtf this all is.
1130193;1431496432;copypaste;Boards.
1130194;1431496433;copypaste;8ch.net/b
1130195;1431496434;mircea_popescu;so your host gets the listed ones ?
1130196;1431496437;copypaste;8ch.net/furry
1130197;1431496440;mircea_popescu;yeah but, baphomet ? wtf ?
1130198;1431496444;copypaste;No, he gets all of them except the listed ones.
1130199;1431496448;mircea_popescu;o.O
1130200;1431496462;mircea_popescu;can you up yourself ?
1130201;1431496465;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Baphomet is the devil board that doxxed the evil Judge Forrest
1130202;1431496470;mircea_popescu;oh.
1130203;1431496471;BingoBoingo;!up copypaste
1130204;1431496481;BingoBoingo;copypaste: !up thyself
1130205;1431496489;mircea_popescu;so basically host gets all teh good ones is the idea ?
1130206;1431496496;copypaste;!v assbot:copypaste.up:a83b0e7626cd435b725ff2f5cf9273e420a71a9f1d84305e3c58401f4b8c0acb
1130207;1431496501;copypaste;/b/ is a good one.
1130208;1431496508;copypaste;/furry/ is rank #4.
1130209;1431496514;copypaste;/cuteboys/ is also in the top 25. Rank 10 I think.
1130210;1431496519;copypaste;Basically he doesn't like porn boards.
1130211;1431496528;copypaste;/b/ is the second most popular board on the site.
1130212;1431496537;mircea_popescu;and pol gets no ads i see ?
1130213;1431496545;copypaste;You might have adblock on
1130214;1431496561;copypaste;Or, the derps (sorry to steal your word) in charge still have ignored me and haven't added SSL support
1130215;1431496569;mircea_popescu;yeah. it just fails to load.
1130216;1431496572;BingoBoingo;copypaste: Basically everyone here has weird browser settings and compile flags
1130217;1431496575;copypaste;Indeed, that's the problem
1130218;1431496581;mircea_popescu;well, what sort of server are you getting ?
1130219;1431496591;copypaste;We have 7 servers.
1130220;1431496623;copypaste;One of them has a 10TB RAID6 for all the media.
1130221;1431496624;BingoBoingo;copypaste: Discrete machines, VPS cores, or rack units
1130222;1431496627;mircea_popescu;and so your host gets /pol/ but can't be arsed to put advertising on it fo real ?
1130223;1431496655;copypaste;If you visit it on non-https it will work. Like I said, they are hard to deal with. They told me "new ad code by the end of May".
1130224;1431496666;copypaste;I'm holding my breaeth still.
1130225;1431496675;copypaste;Also most of the ads are in Japanese.
1130226;1431496694;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1Y0NDJX << this is there, so it just fails.
1130227;1431496695;assbot;dpaste: 1Y0NDJX ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGxQiF )
1130228;1431496711;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/pol/ << http is no different, soimehow
1130229;1431496712;assbot;/pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGxRTO )
1130230;1431496753;BingoBoingo;I see no banner on /pol/ either, but...
1130231;1431496814;copypaste;I do: http://a.pomf.se/miwbnz.png
1130232;1431496814;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZqFT8 )
1130233;1431496835;copypaste;As I said, they're incompetent so it doesn't work over HTTPS.
1130234;1431496843;copypaste;That's really what it comes down to.
1130235;1431496855;copypaste;And they can't be assed to fix it until end of May, apparently.
1130236;1431496856;mircea_popescu;i think it might not work because geolocation, too.
1130237;1431496866;copypaste;Oh yeah, that's a local ad for here.
1130238;1431496899;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you're getting 7 servers including expensive raid arrangements for the ads you should prolly stick to that deal. i doubt the advertising value of what seems like 15 maybe 20k uniques past 72 hours could support that.
1130239;1431496931;copypaste;Indeed. And if you want any of the a-ads boards I can do that too.
1130240;1431496932;mircea_popescu;course, since they seem to just be burning the americas market... maybe ask them if they'd be willing to split it like that ?
1130241;1431496953;mircea_popescu;copypaste honestly i mostly wanted pol.
1130242;1431496994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35243 @ 0.00025116 = 8.8516 BTC [-]
1130243;1431497002;copypaste;I can do that. They told me that if people email me about ads on boards they have ads on (/pol/, /v/) I should accept it and tell them.
1130244;1431497011;copypaste;I get email occasionally about putting ads on /v/.
1130245;1431497015;copypaste;(Video Games)
1130246;1431497025;mircea_popescu;that too, im about to launch eulora.
1130247;1431497042;copypaste;So in reality I'll pay them most of what you give me, but you still get your ad.
1130248;1431497091;mircea_popescu;interesting approach.
1130249;1431497097;copypaste;And I can remove the Coinbase/localbitcoins thing as well
1130250;1431497109;copypaste;Indeed. Since I'm the main email ( admin@8chan.co ) I get most ad inquiries anyway
1130251;1431497126;mircea_popescu;alright, well, let's see this, gimme then the a-ads set + pol + v, and i
1130252;1431497132;mircea_popescu;ll pay the btc and after a month we see.
1130253;1431497134;mircea_popescu;how about that ?
1130254;1431497140;copypaste;Okay, cool. Works for me
1130255;1431497152;mircea_popescu;aite, effective in a coupla days once i get the rotator in place ?
1130256;1431497170;copypaste;Sure thing
1130257;1431497173;mircea_popescu;addy ?
1130258;1431497193;copypaste;I can implement it as soon as you're ready by adding /pol/, /v/ and /i/ to the banned_boards thing and then changing the ad code.
1130259;1431497204;copypaste;Addy is 1LMWkmYpPNXLr9SKHXtZvSrraEWTZtm5Wb
1130260;1431497227;copypaste;Or 1PeYbcRaXTKGaCaRzRsPbfPXrQNc8Cfxkm . Doesn't matter.
1130261;1431497249;mircea_popescu;aite. ideally you add this chan to your idle list and so i can just ping you when it's ready.
1130262;1431497267;copypaste;Will do. It'll be the 117th channel I'm idling in :)
1130263;1431497364;mircea_popescu;lol
1130264;1431497402;mircea_popescu;cazalla hey, wanna make a list of trilema articles that fit with 8chan ? and qntra idem.
1130265;1431497543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97140 @ 0.00025244 = 24.522 BTC [+]
1130266;1431497637;cazalla;not sure qntra has any specific to pol, they'd need an interest in bitcoin to begin with.. as for trilema, i'll have a hunt
1130267;1431497655;copypaste;I've gotten some of them interested.
1130268;1431497655;mircea_popescu;gotta find something.
1130269;1431497665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198350 @ 0.00026123 = 51.815 BTC [+] {3} 
1130270;1431497670;copypaste;Due to derps 8chan can only accept Bitcoin donations reliably.
1130271;1431497677;copypaste;I've had to school many people in how to buy Bitcoin due to this.
1130272;1431497716;cazalla;copypaste, fucking flattr eh
1130273;1431497723;copypaste;Indeed. Not just them.
1130274;1431497729;copypaste;Gratipay, Patreon. PayPal but that's a give in.
1130275;1431497734;cazalla;well paypal is a given
1130276;1431497748;mircea_popescu;lol what is the issue again ?
1130277;1431497761;copypaste;PayPal blocked me for "hate speech"
1130278;1431497767;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1431376685493.jpg too weird ?
1130279;1431497768;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzukx )
1130280;1431497777;mircea_popescu;what did you say ?
1130281;1431497780;copypaste;Patreon blocked me for "illustrated child pornograhy"
1130282;1431497794;copypaste;mircea_popescu: It's not what I say. These peopole hold me accountable for what anonymous users do.
1130283;1431497796;copypaste;That's the problem.
1130284;1431497812;copypaste;They hold us accountable for the posts on the site as if we mdae them.
1130285;1431497816;mircea_popescu;lol illustrated pornography!
1130286;1431497824;mircea_popescu;well ok, so what did the posts say
1130287;1431497834;copypaste;They didn't cite any specific posts, PayPal at least.
1130288;1431497855;cazalla;copypaste, that's family guy porn is illegal here, same with A cup sized titties in porn because can be somehow associated with pre-pubescent girls
1130289;1431497861;cazalla;oh and squirting too.. banned
1130290;1431497862;copypaste;Indeed. That was their official reason. It even got in a video game blog: http://www.destructoid.com/8chan-removed-from-patreon-becomes-cat-sanctuary-285272.phtml
1130291;1431497862;assbot;8chan removed from Patreon... Becomes cat sanctuary - destructoid ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzAZq )
1130292;1431497869;copypaste;cazalla: Australian?
1130293;1431497872;cazalla;yup
1130294;1431497884;copypaste;Yeah, that's insane.
1130295;1431497890;copypaste;That's why there's no web services running out of Aus.
1130296;1431497895;copypaste;No forums or user generated content sites.
1130297;1431497908;mircea_popescu;wait. what's the problem with squirting ?
1130298;1431497925;copypaste;Patreon wrote
1130299;1431497927;copypaste;"While we understand your commitment to free speech, we will not allow 8chan to continue using Patreon, as several boards facilitate the distribution of harmful content and activity, such as illustrated child exploitation imagery."
1130300;1431497928;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They think it is pissing
1130301;1431497933;cazalla;well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
1130302;1431497934;mircea_popescu;so ?
1130303;1431497948;mircea_popescu;wait... pissing is forbidden in australia ?
1130304;1431497949;mircea_popescu;so what do you do ?
1130305;1431497961;copypaste;I guess videotaping the pissing is illegal.
1130306;1431497967;copypaste;You can still piss, just don't let a camera see.
1130307;1431497976;cazalla;pissing and fucking at the same time on video or providing it for others to watch is illegal
1130308;1431497978;mircea_popescu;what happens if you piss on surveilalnce cams ?
1130309;1431497990;copypaste;haha
1130310;1431497991;mircea_popescu;like you know, take a girl out, fuck her, the piss on the cam.
1130311;1431497996;copypaste;Or if you have sex in a public bathroom
1130312;1431497998;copypaste;Indeed.
1130313;1431498000;mircea_popescu;(yes, i have done this)
1130314;1431498009;copypaste;Call the cops on the operator of the camera.
1130315;1431498016;cazalla;they'll arrest you for pissing in public
1130316;1431498029;mircea_popescu;...
1130317;1431498034;mircea_popescu;you got no bars there i take it.
1130318;1431498046;cazalla;we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers
1130319;1431498049;BingoBoingo;No, the CCtv perv was a pr0nographist
1130320;1431498067;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what
1130321;1431498090;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> we do and they run sting operations in alley ways to catch pissers << Not a thing here yet
1130322;1431498095;mircea_popescu;copypaste https://blockchain.info/tx/eea8640039c6eeb7ee7d3b109f540eb1c1283202526952381ba2ace420e11906
1130323;1431498098;assbot;        Bitcoin Transaction eea8640039c6eeb7ee7d3b109f540eb1c1283202526952381ba2ace420e11906     ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGzZLg )
1130324;1431498136;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/cuteboys/res/94850.html << dude check out all the fuckable adolescent bois.
1130325;1431498137;assbot;/cuteboys/ - The Slut Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA4ic )
1130326;1431498155;cazalla;http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/public-urinations-dry-up-after-act-police-and-city-initiatives-20140306-34afb.html
1130327;1431498157;assbot;Public urinations dry up after ACT Police and city initiatives ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA6GL )
1130328;1431498160;copypaste;Thanks mircea_popescu. Ping me with the ad code when it's ready
1130329;1431498165;mircea_popescu;sure.
1130330;1431498208;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1430738295625.jpg << that is his rifle, that is his gun.
1130331;1431498209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGA9Cy )
1130332;1431498219;mircea_popescu;and that to the left is the lightswitch.
1130333;1431498231;copypaste;lmao. That board literally has a map
1130334;1431498241;copypaste;Where they put markers of themselves and ask to get fucked.
1130335;1431498273;BingoBoingo;;;google they really are buttcoins nao
1130336;1431498274;gribble;They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely>; February 2013 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>
1130337;1431498324;mircea_popescu;ahaha yeah. copypaste any womenz on 8chan as far as you know ?
1130338;1431498336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203100 @ 0.00025365 = 51.5163 BTC [-] {5} 
1130339;1431498338;copypaste;There is a /fem/ board.
1130340;1431498343;copypaste;Unfortunately not as popular.
1130341;1431498347;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema pay for your tits
1130342;1431498349;gribble;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/>; They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; June 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/06>
1130343;1431498349;copypaste;They also sometimes post on /b/ for attention.
1130344;1431498352;mircea_popescu;^that's still good.
1130345;1431498377;mircea_popescu;then they can donate the btc to you lmao
1130346;1431498384;copypaste;lol
1130347;1431498396;cazalla;mircea_popescu, how many article you want, tbh a lot of your content would be appealing to some of /pol/
1130348;1431498408;mircea_popescu;cazalla i didn't think that far ahead ;/
1130349;1431498414;copypaste;You laugh but we've gotten like 30 BTC from donations. Enough to buy a pass to trade on mpex.co! ;)
1130350;1431498414;mircea_popescu;dunno, till you get bored.
1130351;1431498420;mircea_popescu;win.
1130352;1431498449;mircea_popescu;Total Received34.99134406 BTC << yep, confirmed.
1130353;1431498455;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1430738295625.jpg << that is his rifle, that is his gun. << Nice SKS
1130354;1431498456;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGAwgf )
1130355;1431498470;mircea_popescu;nice cock, too. guy's doing okay.
1130356;1431498510;mircea_popescu;copypaste do you have a bdsm/slavegirls board too ?
1130357;1431498516;BingoBoingo;Well, as long as he can step away from the webs for a while
1130358;1431498531;copypaste;Yes. 8ch.net/bdsm
1130359;1431498536;mircea_popescu;;;ud tfw
1130360;1431498537;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TFW | That Feel When Followed by some feel you should be able to relate to. TFW you smoke the day's first cigarette. by feelsrapeman October 30, 2011. 2138 307.
1130361;1431498547;copypaste;Since unlike 4chan users create the boards
1130362;1431498551;copypaste;We get tons of interesting ones.
1130363;1431498655;mircea_popescu;"If you donated to the Infinity Dev. Group over Flattr, it seems that they have turned into a scam and you should charge these conmen back immediately by contacting your financial institution. (I realize this includes my support key. I don't give a shit, flood their insecure bullshit report ticket in my name. I see no other way to prove it.) Reports are that they lost their PayPal account recently, and Flattr CEO and o
1130364;1431498656;mircea_popescu;nly employee @bonq is ignoring all communication from me via their ticket system and Twitter. The icing on the cake is that they blocked me and three others for asking where the fuck 46.74 EUR went."
1130365;1431498656;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
1130366;1431498659;mircea_popescu;wtf is flattr anyway
1130367;1431498696;copypaste;Shitty Swedish corporation. They take 10% anyway.
1130368;1431498704;copypaste;Service is abysmal. They're probably going under soon.
1130369;1431498706;cazalla;similar shit to dwolla i think
1130370;1431498717;copypaste;After Gratipay fucked with me I put them out of business, or close to it.
1130371;1431498728;copypaste;I don't care enough to do the same to Flattr though.
1130372;1431498741;copypaste;You can read my Twitter TL for how. One call to FinCEN and the CEO went full GLBSE
1130373;1431498751;copypaste;"oh no, i need to do AML! the state is coming!"
1130374;1431498755;copypaste;he then locked evreyone's balances
1130375;1431498765;copypaste;And is only withdrawing if you prove your ID to him.
1130376;1431498766;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1130377;1431498767;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SS7ZH4.txt )
1130378;1431498776;mircea_popescu;lmao
1130379;1431498781;mircea_popescu;ahh the glbse was such lolz.
1130380;1431498805;copypaste;I know. I've read a lot of your blog the past week. I wasn't around for that but that chat log, man. I could feel it.
1130381;1431498805;BingoBoingo;Fucking Labcoin might have been close to peak lulz.
1130382;1431498813;copypaste;"You have a welfare check" as proof of ID.
1130383;1431498816;copypaste;Gets me every time.
1130384;1431498845;mircea_popescu;welfare check is pretty good proof of id really
1130385;1431498873;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, Tyrone takes it and cashes it at the Persian liquor store
1130386;1431498911;*;mircea_popescu recalls how happy egyptians were to drink his shitty scotch
1130387;1431498980;cazalla;ah shit look at that, trilema has an article on drugstore cowboy
1130388;1431498998;mircea_popescu;doh.
1130389;1431499009;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/cuteboys/src/1431453809153.png << check it out, vidya goons have sex
1130390;1431499009;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ix7PFn )
1130391;1431499199;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/bdsm/src/1430124615779-1.jpg < nb.jpg
1130392;1431499200;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGBE3x )
1130393;1431499361;cazalla;well, here are some http://dpaste.com/1F4XHT2.txt select some just for the quotes (such as the last) a pol loves em some quotes like that
1130394;1431499362;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGBVUj )
1130395;1431499398;mircea_popescu;thanks!
1130396;1431499400;cazalla;fucking engrish.. can always tell i've had a day or 2 of heavy drinking when i type like that
1130397;1431499403;mircea_popescu;get some trilema srsly.
1130398;1431499519;cazalla;but anything on topic of feminism, socialism, money, jews, hitler, conservative values (vamp and marriage one would be a bit of an eye opener for some of em) would do well with the pol crowd
1130399;1431499555;BingoBoingo;;;google trilema back to the basement
1130400;1431499557;cazalla;actually was vamp and gays, right? marriage was another article from memory to show it's a bit of bullshit this conservative idea and all
1130401;1431499557;gribble;O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be.php?id=simonrton.blog.com>; OCD: Moosh & Twist - Back To The Basement Mixtape - Stream ...: <http://www.datpiff.com/OCD-Moosh-Twist-Back-To-The-Basement-mixtape.454057.html>; Back to the Basement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
1130402;1431499561;copypaste;r/buttcoin will probably flip. I've noticed that the same trolls on r/GamerGhazi are on r/buttcoin.
1130403;1431499564;copypaste;The crossover is real.
1130404;1431499585;BingoBoingo;copypaste: SJW/Socialist crossover is always real
1130405;1431499612;mircea_popescu;except buttcoin is like the only readable reddit thing.
1130406;1431499631;BingoBoingo;Thing is around these here parts we prefer /r/rbuttcoin to /r/bitcoin by miles
1130407;1431499649;copypaste;haha
1130408;1431499743;mircea_popescu;yeah. sukas just make better idiocy than random twerps.
1130409;1431499753;BingoBoingo;Last spring I survived a testicular torsion with both testicles intact. It was far less painful than any consecutive set of reading by ANdreas Herpaderpalous
1130410;1431499775;mircea_popescu;(a suka, of course, is one of the criminals that took stalin's deal and went into the army)
1130411;1431499792;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he's still twerpin' dat ass ?
1130412;1431499800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00024818 = 19.085 BTC [-]
1130413;1431499923;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He has his own startup nao and every press release I get that feeling like I need to run to the hospital and get an ultrasound on my scrotum again (to bee fair it feels good man https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Feels_good_man)
1130414;1431499924;assbot;Feels good man) - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGCI7q )
1130415;1431499960;mircea_popescu;i hadn't seen anything from him in a while, assumed i musta killed him or something.
1130416;1431499975;mircea_popescu;mebbe intel just didn't figure he matters enough to mention anymoar.
1130417;1431500040;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He runs a startup nao called "Third Key Solutions" that serves other startups who wish to take on all the counterparty risk
1130418;1431500053;mircea_popescu;aaaaite...
1130419;1431500090;mircea_popescu;what happeend to his hot o'reilly deal to become the blockchain technology's steve jobbs ?
1130420;1431500103;BingoBoingo;It happened. He has his book
1130421;1431500105;mircea_popescu;got dropped like a hot potato or something ?
1130422;1431500109;mircea_popescu;heh.
1130423;1431500119;BingoBoingo;It apparently is still a book... just...
1130424;1431500219;BingoBoingo;I mean he signed with O'Reilly, not the huns
1130425;1431500268;mircea_popescu;lol
1130426;1431500410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00025576 = 20.3201 BTC [+] {3} 
1130427;1431500574;cazalla;copypaste, play agar.io much?
1130428;1431500597;copypaste;too much.
1130429;1431500609;copypaste;i love it
1130430;1431500622;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1130431;1431500627;cazalla;yeah same, i pitched it to these goys here but no interest
1130432;1431500645;copypaste;i like you cazalla. I'm amazed anyone here ven knew who I was
1130433;1431500654;copypaste;I just wanted to be someone in Bitcoin and took Mircea's advice :p
1130434;1431500695;BingoBoingo;copypaste: I had no idea you were you until dat key
1130435;1431500700;cazalla;you're like the new moot, the luke skywalker of chans who hopefully won't join the dark side like darth moot and get cucked same time
1130436;1431500718;copypaste;moot is a pussy. can't believe he quit
1130437;1431500724;copypaste;how low can you go really
1130438;1431500761;mircea_popescu;o.O
1130439;1431500773;mircea_popescu;i thought i had a speshul place in cazalla's heart!
1130440;1431500807;cazalla;of course you do but i spent most of my time on 4chan prior to finding this place so ya know
1130441;1431500857;mircea_popescu;lol
1130442;1431500948;BingoBoingo;copypaste: You know... in your next Conde Naste interview you have to mention this place as the center of Bitcoin and blacklist them when they leave that part out.
1130443;1431501089;mircea_popescu;by the way, 2011 article re the fiat world wot. http://trilema.com/2011/cine-conduce-lumea/
1130444;1431501089;assbot;Cine conduce lumea ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cRzkfU )
1130445;1431501156;copypaste;BingoBoingo: I'll do my best. Journalists are notorious for ignoring half of what I say.
1130446;1431501162;copypaste;I gave Ars very strict rules for interviewing me.
1130447;1431501166;copypaste;That's why it went well.
1130448;1431501174;copypaste;Gawker also contacted me. I sent them the same rules and never heard back. lmao
1130449;1431501188;mircea_popescu;i usually just tell them to show up here.
1130450;1431501199;BingoBoingo;copypaste: Thing is as you build power your rules will only get stricter
1130451;1431501202;mircea_popescu;i don't believe in talking privately to people i don't personally know.
1130452;1431501381;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And is that not a rule?
1130453;1431501393;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1130454;1431501488;BingoBoingo;Anyways 11 year plan is going well, arranged a sparring partner for tomorrow.
1130455;1431501508;cazalla;for reals?
1130456;1431501514;mircea_popescu;"To our son, his excellency, Mr Barack Hussein Obama. I have said to you before, that even if Libya and the United States of America enter into a war, god forbid, you will always remain a son. Your picture will not be changed."
1130457;1431501520;cazalla;i use to box ya know, and kick box
1130458;1431501527;mircea_popescu;ahh ghadafi was such a master of the lulz.
1130459;1431501552;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Yeah, Iron pole in the backyard that at one point in history held the clothesline
1130460;1431501612;mircea_popescu;you gonna spar with a pole ?!
1130461;1431501618;cazalla;copypaste, this voz clan teaming up bullshit has me raging against agario tbh
1130462;1431501663;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: 11 year plan. 29 now figure 40 I'll be ready to risk death in a ring
1130463;1431501684;BingoBoingo;Gotta learn to jab.
1130464;1431501686;mircea_popescu;just hang a bag like normal people. poles don't work
1130465;1431501751;BingoBoingo;Gotta preak the metacarpals a bit to get them to heal stronger. Pole seems like an ideal target. As long as I don't break any bones all the way.
1130466;1431501843;mircea_popescu;no dude. get a bag, srsly.
1130467;1431501873;BingoBoingo;Alright.
1130468;1431501904;copypaste;cazalla: yeah HKG is bullshit too.
1130469;1431501917;copypaste;It sucks even more that we have terrible lag to all the good servers.
1130470;1431501930;copypaste;The new teams mode makes it sort of bearable amusingly. Because you can't pick your team, Voz has no power.
1130471;1431501944;copypaste;The Asia servers still suck ass though.
1130472;1431502042;cazalla;BingoBoingo, 12 months and you're set
1130473;1431502057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111156 @ 0.0002631 = 29.2451 BTC [+]
1130474;1431502081;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Nah, I drink and smoke. A decade sounds reasonable.
1130475;1431502089;cazalla;copypaste, oceanic servers are generally ok from australia, i'd say lag is around 100-150ms
1130476;1431502136;cazalla;and the new team mode is useless as people don't want to team up to face other teams, they're all asian and want to gang up on 1 person
1130477;1431502183;cazalla;BingoBoingo, as much as i hate ciggs, the drinking is prob worse
1130478;1431502240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82146 @ 0.00026428 = 21.7095 BTC [+]
1130479;1431502255;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Only one way to find out.
1130480;1431502289;cazalla;i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice
1130481;1431502362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110800 @ 0.00026443 = 29.2988 BTC [+]
1130482;1431502394;BingoBoingo;Who honestly couldn't use another vice
1130483;1431502545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00026443 = 12.3753 BTC [+]
1130484;1431503094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74837 @ 0.00026443 = 19.7891 BTC [+]
1130485;1431503277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38548 @ 0.00026428 = 10.1875 BTC [-]
1130486;1431503516;cazalla;copypaste, will your condition affect your longevity?
1130487;1431503674;copypaste;unknown. some say yes, some say no.
1130488;1431503699;copypaste;i know of a lot of old people with the same condition from a Faecesbook group
1130489;1431503746;cazalla;do ya have any general pain or just when you break something?
1130490;1431503794;copypaste;i actually originally got into bitcoin when i heard you could buy pain pills with it. never got any pills, only ended up with lousy Bitcoins ;)
1130491;1431503799;cazalla;tbh i only lurk 8ch besides the occasional shit post so if you've answered AMA type shit before, i'll go have a google
1130492;1431504056;jurov;holy log
1130493;1431504802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 253064 @ 0.0002525 = 63.8987 BTC [-]
1130494;1431504985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86600 @ 0.00024643 = 21.3408 BTC [-] {2} 
1130495;1431505473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154600 @ 0.00024569 = 37.9837 BTC [-]
1130496;1431505534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00024684 = 13.4034 BTC [+]
1130497;1431505900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82426 @ 0.00024684 = 20.346 BTC [+]
1130498;1431506022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 287450 @ 0.00025348 = 72.8628 BTC [+] {3} 
1130499;1431506083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204373 @ 0.00025841 = 52.812 BTC [+]
1130500;1431507117;cazalla;copypaste, hope that wasn't you i just ate in agario :P 8ch
1130501;1431507161;copypaste;nop
1130502;1431507196;copypaste;Was fixing a weird unicode bug https://8ch.net/operate/res/17116.html#17448
1130503;1431507197;assbot;/operate/ -  ด็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็็� ... ( http://bit.ly/1bODDHi )
1130504;1431507258;fluffypony;[09:31:28]  <+cazalla>i'd stop drinking but then i'd need another vice <- like Miami?
1130505;1431507265;*;fluffypony makes joke
1130506;1431507322;copypaste;fluffypony: Make Monero PoS pls
1130507;1431507335;fluffypony;not a fucking chance in hell
1130508;1431507354;copypaste;lmao
1130509;1431507378;copypaste;I have 600XMR. Only altcoin I've ever bought
1130510;1431507388;fluffypony;<3
1130511;1431507390;copypaste;Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
1130512;1431507408;fluffypony;it's a fun experiment
1130513;1431507431;fluffypony;not sure it'll ever be much in the way of buy-and-hold-investment-worthy, but it's fun nonetheless
1130514;1431507437;copypaste;indeed
1130515;1431507704;copypaste;i wonder if anyone would even buy a PoS cryptonote coin
1130516;1431507719;fluffypony;the dude from BBR was trying to make one
1130517;1431507722;fluffypony;luis or somethign
1130518;1431507750;copypaste;PoS looks too much like "piece of shit" for my tastes
1130519;1431507752;copypaste;Terrible name.
1130520;1431507770;fluffypony;lol I know
1130521;1431507785;fluffypony;plus it's fundamentally broken, no matter how they try manage the initial distribution
1130522;1431507807;copypaste;Wealth always goes to the top in any system
1130523;1431507812;copypaste;Any system
1130524;1431507815;copypaste;They're fighting against nature.
1130525;1431507828;fluffypony;yup
1130526;1431508096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188900 @ 0.00024864 = 46.9681 BTC [-]
1130527;1431508340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157900 @ 0.00024599 = 38.8418 BTC [-] {2} 
1130528;1431508645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00025461 = 7.8674 BTC [+] {2} 
1130529;1431509320;wywialm;good morning everyon
1130530;1431509330;wywialm;everyone*
1130531;1431509560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68450 @ 0.00024494 = 16.7661 BTC [-] {3} 
1130532;1431509804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149246 @ 0.00025056 = 37.3951 BTC [+] {2} 
1130533;1431509987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89200 @ 0.000251 = 22.3892 BTC [+]
1130534;1431510536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145800 @ 0.00026179 = 38.169 BTC [+] {4} 
1130535;1431511073;cazalla;copypaste, have you written about moving and living in the phillipines?
1130536;1431512488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46990 @ 0.00024489 = 11.5074 BTC [-]
1130537;1431513403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133696 @ 0.00024651 = 32.9574 BTC [+]
1130538;1431514196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70500 @ 0.00024468 = 17.2499 BTC [-] {2} 
1130539;1431515416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110560 @ 0.00024419 = 26.9976 BTC [-] {2} 
1130540;1431517124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196184 @ 0.00024622 = 48.3044 BTC [+] {2} 
1130541;1431519747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228204 @ 0.00026353 = 60.1386 BTC [+] {2} 
1130542;1431520723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 238125 @ 0.00026072 = 62.084 BTC [-] {2} 
1130543;1431521272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31741 @ 0.00025969 = 8.2428 BTC [-]
1130544;1431521760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197500 @ 0.00025519 = 50.4 BTC [-]
1130545;1431521882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00025392 = 12.8864 BTC [-]
1130546;1431522507;mats;http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-133.html
1130547;1431522507;assbot;XSA-133 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxCJO2 )
1130548;1431522731;cazalla;http://bitcoinist.net/million-dollar-bitcoin-domain-name-btc-com-launches-bitcoin-digital-currency-industry-portal/ you'd think some people would learn their lesson having  dealth with garza in the past but no
1130549;1431522732;assbot;Million Dollar Bitcoin Domain Name BTC.com Launches Bitcoin And Digital Currency Industry Portal - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxCZN8 )
1130550;1431522762;cazalla;nice team eh http://btc.com/about-/
1130551;1431522764;assbot;About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxD0Rb )
1130552;1431522919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00025392 = 12.1374 BTC [-]
1130553;1431524322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154350 @ 0.00025813 = 39.8424 BTC [+] {2} 
1130554;1431525115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70600 @ 0.00025392 = 17.9268 BTC [-]
1130555;1431526457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56940 @ 0.0002615 = 14.8898 BTC [+]
1130556;1431526762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149964 @ 0.0002647 = 39.6955 BTC [+]
1130557;1431527372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00026471 = 6.8428 BTC [+]
1130558;1431527799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14696 @ 0.0002647 = 3.89 BTC [-]
1130559;1431529690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93500 @ 0.00026441 = 24.7223 BTC [-] {2} 
1130560;1431530175;asciilifeform;mats: the interesting part is that floppy controller in qemu and derived proggies is enabled -even if you don't use floppy option.-
1130561;1431530178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105400 @ 0.00026596 = 28.0322 BTC [+] {2} 
1130562;1431530187;asciilifeform;mats: from the 'hackernews' thread, 'Why indeed. In fact we tried to remove the FDC, but Windows needs it in order to do certain operations like installing some drivers, so there was resistance there.'
1130563;1431530194;asciilifeform;( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9538437 )
1130564;1431530195;assbot;VENOM – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20rjr )
1130565;1431530231;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130511 << i concur. fluffsy is STILL stubbornly not showing it off here, so i figure i'll give it moar time
1130566;1431530231;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 08:56:30; copypaste: Don't have much faith in it but it's the only one that's even remotely promising
1130567;1431530286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc, "flopyy" ness is an arbitrary bit. you can set bios to think usb as floppies if you wish.
1130568;1431530323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: code in question concerned an emulated traditional floppy controller (the kind you gave sectors, tracks, etc)
1130569;1431530331;copypaste;09:12:42 +cazalla nice team eh http://btc.com/about-/
1130570;1431530333;assbot;About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxD0Rb )
1130571;1431530338;copypaste;they can't even use their CMS properly.
1130572;1431530340;copypaste;"about-"
1130573;1431530342;copypaste;What's with the -?
1130574;1431530349;asciilifeform;intel 82072A etc.
1130575;1431530350;copypaste;I'm supposed to trust these twerps with anything?
1130576;1431530363;asciilifeform;http://wiki.osdev.org/Floppy_Disk_Controller << him
1130577;1431530364;assbot;Floppy Disk Controller - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20ICY )
1130578;1431530369;copypaste;Man. What a waste
1130579;1431530373;copypaste;You get this greaet domain, btc.com
1130580;1431530378;copypaste;And then you put your about page as "about-"
1130581;1431530380;mircea_popescu;lol who the fuck are these derps ?
1130582;1431530390;mircea_popescu;copypaste http://btc.com/about/ < it loads normally too.
1130583;1431530392;assbot;About - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L20Ken )
1130584;1431530405;copypaste;Ah, okay.
1130585;1431530457;mircea_popescu;lol so garza bought btc.com and is now leasing it to random derps ? mkay.
1130586;1431530487;copypaste;Looks like it
1130587;1431530500;copypaste;This is basically a domain squatter landing page except with a little more effort
1130588;1431530531;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1130589;1431530533;copypaste;http://btc.com/what-is-bitcoin-2/
1130590;1431530535;assbot;What is Bitcoin? - BTC.comBTC.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L210df )
1130591;1431530541;mircea_popescu;lol
1130592;1431530542;copypaste;> what-is-bitcoin-2 > -2
1130593;1431530544;copypaste;I can't handle tihs.
1130594;1431530547;mircea_popescu;a little more effort, a lot more lulz.
1130595;1431530553;mircea_popescu;garza delivers yet again
1130596;1431530566;asciilifeform;plenty of wank in the thread re: 'amazon' et al. having been told of the hole long before public
1130597;1431530569;mircea_popescu;copypaste the -2 is there because  BTC.comBTC.com
1130598;1431530574;copypaste;He puts "What is bitcion?" and "What is blockchain?" separately, as if they're different
1130599;1431530604;asciilifeform;and 'For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.'
1130600;1431530611;mircea_popescu;bitcion ? srsly ?
1130601;1431530620;asciilifeform;'bug' ahahaha.
1130602;1431530646;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh.
1130603;1431530662;asciilifeform;not aws-specific
1130604;1431530677;mircea_popescu;i kinda use aws as i use xerorx
1130605;1431530680;asciilifeform;virtually -all- 'cloud' bullshit affected.
1130606;1431530683;mircea_popescu;right.
1130607;1431530695;asciilifeform;and there is a bottomless mine of cruft where this came from
1130608;1431530740;asciilifeform;the 'unrelated bug causes vulnerable code to remain active' thing very much smacks of 'he fell onto the knife ten times'
1130609;1431530751;asciilifeform;'shot himself in the head twice'
1130610;1431530762;mircea_popescu;no dude it's unrelated.
1130611;1431530772;asciilifeform;l0l
1130612;1431530774;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE THEY SAI IT IS!
1130613;1431530829;mircea_popescu;cazalla: you'd think some people would learn their lesson having dealth with garza in the past but no << understand the rotinculo syndrome. they DO understand, but what exact alternatives they got ? it's either this or go home. they dun wanna go home, apparently there's a famine in hungary.
1130614;1431530830;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/qBJHX << obligatory
1130615;1431530831;assbot;Virtualization Security | KernelTrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1L21rUN )
1130616;1431530832;copypaste;The forum is already full of anti-Garza threads http://talk.btc.com/t/where-is-garza/68
1130617;1431530833;assbot;Where is Garza? - Talk.Btc.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1L21rUW )
1130618;1431530849;asciilifeform;^ theo de raadt
1130619;1431530895;mircea_popescu;"virtualization seems to have a lot of security benefits." aha.
1130620;1431530950;asciilifeform;grep for 'You've been smoking something really mind altering'
1130621;1431530958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing is, theo gets it, but is so well fettered with "well meaning" yet "unrelated" idiots he can barely move.
1130622;1431530975;mircea_popescu;keeping the ants at bay is any serious beetle's full time job.
1130623;1431530991;asciilifeform;i'm not certain why he is in an anthill to begin with
1130624;1431531029;mircea_popescu;anthill comes to you.
1130625;1431531070;asciilifeform;'fits in head' and 'developers count on fingers on one hand' are good thermonukes against this
1130626;1431531080;mircea_popescu;by far the most notable point of utility of the wot to brilliant individuals is exactly this : breaks the traditional methods of anthill building.
1130627;1431531093;asciilifeform;aha.
1130628;1431531107;mircea_popescu;but you will notice much greater men succumbed to this. it's really how empires end.
1130629;1431531142;asciilifeform;al schwartz taught it to me as 'the a-students hire the b-students who hire the f-students'
1130630;1431531153;mircea_popescu;anyway, a good rule of thumb is, when the anon derps start talking about "security benefits", you know what it is.
1130631;1431531159;asciilifeform;(in american schools, marks range in - descending - from 'a' to 'f')
1130632;1431531165;mircea_popescu;"obfuscation layer for our lord's holes"
1130633;1431531323;asciilifeform;usually just blind cargocultism.
1130634;1431531374;asciilifeform;anal holes, to these folks, happen purely by chance, misfortune. even contemplating the alternative is unbearable cognitive dissonance to them.
1130635;1431531398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166459 @ 0.00025851 = 43.0313 BTC [-]
1130636;1431531406;mircea_popescu;individual ants act in a blind fashion, but the ant layer acts systematically.
1130637;1431531428;mircea_popescu;there's no requisite for a dram cell to know what it is holding in order for it to be holding it.
1130638;1431531520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00026135 = 22.6068 BTC [+]
1130639;1431531646;mircea_popescu;he also has the social skills of a rabid dog.
1130640;1431531825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74903 @ 0.00025678 = 19.2336 BTC [-] {2} 
1130641;1431531886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24747 @ 0.00025392 = 6.2838 BTC [-]
1130642;1431532505;mircea_popescu;ahahaha asciilifeform you read the comments ?
1130643;1431532507;mircea_popescu;"Anonymous (not verified) OpenBSD still exists? Too bad. The world would be better without security fanboys in general.  There is more to the world than security."
1130644;1431532668;mircea_popescu;"In my opinion, the main reason why Windows is still faster on the desktop is that most of their current GUI framework was built back in the days of Windows 95, and the framework is so fragile that it has stopped them from adding too many new features to bloat it further. Back in 1995, Microsoft was way more performance-conscious than the open source world in 2007, simply because the hardware was orders of magnitude sl
1130645;1431532668;mircea_popescu;ower."
1130646;1431532674;mircea_popescu;not a bad point by any means.
1130647;1431532781;Naphex;For many of the affected virtualization products, a virtual floppy drive is added to new virtual machines by default. And on Xen and QEMU, even if the administrator explicitly disables the virtual floppy drive, an unrelated bug causes the vulnerable FDC code to remain active and exploitable by attackers.
1130648;1431532787;Naphex;sorry, forgot the quotes
1130649;1431532789;Naphex;lmao :))
1130650;1431532802;mircea_popescu;yeah it's pretty good kek.
1130651;1431532815;Naphex;floppy drives no longer usefull? turn em into backdoors
1130652;1431532816;Naphex;doh!
1130653;1431532846;mircea_popescu;it's very sound, strategically. "who would bother to check"
1130654;1431533655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 348694 @ 0.00026383 = 91.9959 BTC [+] {3} 
1130655;1431533669;mircea_popescu;o.O
1130656;1431535017;asciilifeform;'who would bother to check' is sop.
1130657;1431535029;mats;asciilifeform: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/alecw/eurosys-2012.pdf
1130658;1431535100;asciilifeform;mats: ick
1130659;1431535182;asciilifeform;'Delusional boot provides a full set of devices with complete functionality to the OS only during the boot process. Later on, it disables the non-critical devices and it replaces the critical ones with a set of barebones virtual devices that only offer common case functionality.'
1130660;1431535191;asciilifeform;microshit 'research,' what do you expect.
1130661;1431535217;*;funkenstein_ dreams of running qubes on openbsd dom0
1130662;1431535223;asciilifeform;because no one wants to edit ntldr.exe aha.
1130663;1431535239;asciilifeform;why should anyone outside of idiot microshit take an interest in this
1130664;1431535241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101400 @ 0.00026646 = 27.019 BTC [+] {2} 
1130665;1431535489;mats;heh
1130666;1431535587;asciilifeform;http://oglaf.com/delusionist << obligatory
1130667;1431535588;assbot;Delusionist ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEulVN )
1130668;1431535650;danielpbarron;!up prince_nbingo
1130669;1431535668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132300 @ 0.00026754 = 35.3955 BTC [+] {2} 
1130670;1431535694;prince_nbingo;Dear Sir, can you please tell me where to acquire the bitcoin asses?  I have a business proposal for you.  I will present you as the beneficiary, and i will prepare all the legal documents and present to the bank on your behalf and the bank will then release and transfer the funds to your designated account.  Please to be telling about where are the bitcoin asses, I need bitcoin asses.
1130671;1431535731;asciilifeform;l0l
1130672;1431535815;danielpbarron;prince_nbingo, someone with your ip has joined #bitcoin and #bitcoin-dev with the nicknames Skaag and chax. Is that you?
1130673;1431536166;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dargot.livejournal.com/282666.html#comments << massive mega-l0l re: pheminisms etc. with commentary
1130674;1431536171;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1130675;1431536307;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy.
1130676;1431536320;asciilifeform;exquisitely lulzy. i'd translate if had time.
1130677;1431536357;mircea_popescu;!up Flerb_
1130678;1431536362;asciilifeform;(is dignork still around? perhaps he'd do the deed)
1130679;1431536438;mircea_popescu;im kinda curious to see what ru/cn feminism wil llook like once that happens.
1130680;1431536508;asciilifeform;it looks precisely like the imported feedstock. just, no mass uptake
1130681;1431536520;asciilifeform;because not enough radiation damage yet, or somesuch
1130682;1431536539;mircea_popescu;i mean once they make their own.
1130683;1431536550;mircea_popescu;if/when they get rich and successful, they'll have stupid kids.
1130684;1431536559;Flerb_;Are most stock exchanges using bitcoin regulated properly?
1130685;1431536559;mircea_popescu;those stupid kids will rehash the same old stupid, in their own terms, of course.
1130686;1431536587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: presently, the stupid rich kids do tour of duty in the west
1130687;1431536589;mircea_popescu;Flerb_ http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/
1130688;1431536590;assbot;You're gonna have to learn that variety speak on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEAhhi )
1130689;1431536599;asciilifeform;and walk through the traditional western idiocies, and attempt to import
1130690;1431536620;mircea_popescu;no actual elite kids i met did that.
1130691;1431536630;mircea_popescu;the aspies do it, of course, but they don't matter from what i've seen.
1130692;1431536664;mircea_popescu;aspie [ short for aspirational ] would roughly be what they called "burgeois intellectuals" a century ago.
1130693;1431536705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145500 @ 0.00025999 = 37.8285 BTC [-] {2} 
1130694;1431536724;Flerb_;Whatever happened to ASICminer, they were around when I last looked at bitcoin stuff.
1130695;1431536736;funkenstein_;http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-aide-harris-accused-rogue-police-force-20150505-story.html  <-- seems to be making the rounds in the disinfo sphere
1130696;1431536738;assbot;Bizarre fake police force included Kamala Harris aide, prosecutors say - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEB8ig )
1130697;1431536786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what is the 'actual elite' in question ?
1130698;1431536793;asciilifeform;romanov nephews ?
1130699;1431536801;asciilifeform;stalin's grand-daughter ?
1130700;1431536809;asciilifeform;everybody else - 'aspirational' no ?
1130701;1431536825;mircea_popescu;no.
1130702;1431536832;mircea_popescu;every KGB officer has kids, right ?
1130703;1431536852;asciilifeform;aha and most of'em are schmucks like anybody else
1130704;1431536866;mircea_popescu;maybe it's a pov artifact.
1130705;1431536915;asciilifeform;?
1130706;1431536989;mircea_popescu;the only ru kids i know that actually go for the entire western fucktardation are kids who got overeducated by mistake, but definitely have no chance in hell of ever sitting at the table.
1130707;1431536999;mircea_popescu;so it's kind-of natural and meaningless that they'd go for it.
1130708;1431537012;mircea_popescu;then again, i don't know that many ru kids, and so... might just be my narrow viewpoint
1130709;1431537033;asciilifeform;the thing is, usg had roughly same relation with ru elite as brits had with india
1130710;1431537046;mircea_popescu;possibru
1130711;1431537047;asciilifeform;in that 'cream' of kids would go to oxbridge, harvaprinceyaleton, etc
1130712;1431537050;asciilifeform;mandatorily
1130713;1431537057;asciilifeform;(hostage and cultural zombiefodder)
1130714;1431537087;mircea_popescu;they mostly go to fuck the stupid anglo bitches, from what i can tell.
1130715;1431537092;mircea_popescu;much like the arabs.
1130716;1431537094;asciilifeform;from their pov - aha
1130717;1431537118;asciilifeform;but western sahib says 'want imf credit? be gentleman - and gentlemen send sons to oxbridge'
1130718;1431537132;asciilifeform;so rajah - sends son.
1130719;1431537142;mircea_popescu;except russia doesn't want imf credit, for one ; and the gentleman can have a lot of sons.
1130720;1431537182;mircea_popescu;anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams".
1130721;1431537208;asciilifeform;today, less of this, yes
1130722;1431537219;asciilifeform;this was mainly a '90s thing
1130723;1431537233;mircea_popescu;right.
1130724;1431537241;asciilifeform;when the sahib-rajah-coolie relationship was going strong
1130725;1431537260;mircea_popescu;no, not exactly. when the exploratory boom was at its peak.
1130726;1431537276;mircea_popescu;the way people explored new bushes 50k years ago was sent children to eat them, see if they die.
1130727;1431537288;mircea_popescu;the way people explore new bushes today is, send kids over, see what happens.
1130728;1431537296;mircea_popescu;thisis why people even have kids in the first place.
1130729;1431537323;asciilifeform;unrelated >> http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17341&hilit=3do+blaster&start=1580 << 'sommeliers'
1130730;1431537324;assbot;VOGONS • View topic - Bought these (retro) hardware today ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEDKwC )
1130731;1431537332;asciilifeform;(from mircea_popescu's link the other day)
1130732;1431537380;asciilifeform;e.g., that 'works' microcomputer thing looks considerably more usable than any modern 'tablet' gizmo.
1130733;1431537392;asciilifeform;betcha those keys are nearly adult size
1130734;1431538172;asciilifeform;'While x86 hardware has the same page-protection hardware that an IBM 390 architecture machine has, modern PC machines are a mess.  They are architecturally so dirty, that parts of the video, keyboard, and other IO devices are interfaced with even to do simple things like context switching processes and handling interrupts.  Those of us who have experience with the gory bits of the x86 architecture can clearly say that we know
1130735;1431538172;asciilifeform; what would be involved in virtualizing it, and if it was so simple, we would not still be fixing bugs in the exact same area in our operating system going on 12 years.'
1130736;1431538191;asciilifeform;(theo de raadt, of course)
1130737;1431538252;mircea_popescu;ah, the great days from before osama had sunk the us. back when ibm was actually making business machines.
1130738;1431538272;asciilifeform;even the laptops were spiffy
1130739;1431538276;mircea_popescu;os/390, then z/ system. which was... 15 years ago.
1130740;1431538310;*;mircea_popescu recalls the 31/32 bit thing could actually address an infinity of memory, in 2gb slicesa
1130741;1431538321;asciilifeform;^ boxes where you could pull out just about -any- component and replace, without stopping or so much as pausing, work
1130742;1431538321;mircea_popescu;and that was what, 1992 ?
1130743;1431538326;mircea_popescu;ayup.
1130744;1431538345;asciilifeform;high-end versions, iirc, had tandem-voting circuit
1130745;1431538481;*;asciilifeform recommends 'inside the as/400' (frank soltis) re: ibm design 'philosophy' in practice
1130746;1431538487;asciilifeform;fun little b00k
1130747;1431538579;asciilifeform;http://www.9999hp.net/botnet << unrelated
1130748;1431538581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEIDFZ )
1130749;1431538744;mircea_popescu;"Like so many, I planned to do many things with this. But I never had the time. Now I don't have the ideas, either."
1130750;1431538745;mircea_popescu;heh
1130751;1431538803;asciilifeform;'when the output actually mattered: the bygone era of dependable computing' (book does not exist, aborted project of mine)
1130752;1431538980;asciilifeform;http://www.corestore.org/w.htm << further 'sommelier' pr0n
1130753;1431538981;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEJIgJ )
1130754;1431539011;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^
1130755;1431539023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00026576 = 11.2948 BTC [+]
1130756;1431539062;trinque;http://www.corestore.org/FairlightCMI-5.JPG << what are the removable cards?
1130757;1431539065;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EEK1rS )
1130758;1431539073;trinque;blades?
1130759;1431539076;trinque;or is that one machine
1130760;1431539083;asciilifeform;of course 1 machine
1130761;1431539099;asciilifeform;likely, memory (or even cpu subcomponents)
1130762;1431539104;trinque;ah
1130763;1431539137;trinque;I was wondering if I'd run across yet another thing that'd been done far earlier than I thought.
1130764;1431539267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172200 @ 0.00025602 = 44.0866 BTC [-] {2} 
1130765;1431539389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109150 @ 0.00025392 = 27.7154 BTC [-]
1130766;1431539572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00026138 = 14.7157 BTC [+]
1130767;1431539657;trinque;asciilifeform: what do you think of a future cardano having two USB storage devices instead of one?
1130768;1431539668;trinque;I was thinking you could connect two systems this way and still consider them gapped
1130769;1431539675;asciilifeform;wat
1130770;1431539681;asciilifeform;why?!
1130771;1431539727;trinque;gpg encrypted file goes into one of the storage devices, gets decrypted and written to the other device
1130772;1431539776;trinque;because then I could control something connected to a computer remotely, and be sure that the machine controlling it was only accepting data from me
1130773;1431539779;trinque;or so the idiot claims
1130774;1431540436;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That indigo is a good looking machine
1130775;1431540490;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> anyway, this entire "send kids to oxbridge" meme is very novel, and it comes off the same trunk that made the "buy uk football teams". << i've always planned to hire tutors.
1130776;1431540652;asciilifeform;trinque: air-gapped means just that
1130777;1431540657;asciilifeform;sneakernet.
1130778;1431540666;asciilifeform;anything else - call it something else
1130779;1431540679;trinque;granted
1130780;1431540686;asciilifeform;it means that you actually look at each parcel that moves.
1130781;1431540717;trinque;probably can't do that with your remote controlled blimp's controls
1130782;1431540775;asciilifeform;however, a communication device which only carries signed payloads, would potentially be useful.
1130783;1431540799;asciilifeform;(well, -receives- signed payloads from signatures in known set)
1130784;1431540812;asciilifeform;reduces, in the end, to 'gossipd'
1130785;1431540859;trinque;ah yeah, you're right
1130786;1431540876;trinque;secure messaging solves the thing
1130787;1431540884;trinque;well
1130788;1431540890;trinque;reduces to a gossipd device maybe
1130789;1431540900;trinque;the aspect of the membrane being implemented in hardware is appealing
1130790;1431541097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125300 @ 0.00025253 = 31.642 BTC [-] {4} 
1130791;1431541192;thestringpuller;in this room full of nerds, interesting comics are rarely discussed
1130792;1431541339;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130301 << wai wat? wow, first taxes on deposits and now this? I'm learning new sad facts about Australia everyday
1130793;1431541339;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 06:18:53; cazalla: well australian government says women can't squirt, doesn't exist and is in fact pissing and urination porn is forbidden
1130794;1431541463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126700 @ 0.00026138 = 33.1168 BTC [+]
1130795;1431541725;mircea_popescu;tbh, most of the "squirting" porn is actually urination.
1130796;1431541750;mircea_popescu;not that women can't do it, but it's an intensive thing and the atmosphere on a porn set is not exactly conducive.
1130797;1431542084;mircea_popescu;lol jgarzik has a point. the difference between krugman and kaminska is slight at best. i'm not even sure what exactly it would be, specifically.
1130798;1431542690;mircea_popescu;!rated gavinandresen
1130799;1431542690;assbot;You have not rated gavinandresen.
1130800;1431542693;mircea_popescu;o.O
1130801;1431542794;mircea_popescu;!rate gavinandresen -10 Perennial Bitcoin lolcow and ex USG asset.
1130802;1431542794;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4bdf8e557d208e1e
1130803;1431542838;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gavinandresen.-10:d83fc57bc31ecea183e9fb0ae8e93e276f156b2a193a58dea5b2e875ca17f4b2
1130804;1431542838;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -10 for gavinandresen with note: Perennial Bitcoin lolcow and ex USG asset.
1130805;1431542866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63250 @ 0.00025157 = 15.9118 BTC [-]
1130806;1431542884;mircea_popescu;!rated jgarzik
1130807;1431542884;assbot;You have not rated jgarzik.
1130808;1431543354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245308 @ 0.00026103 = 64.0327 BTC [+] {2} 
1130809;1431543476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160500 @ 0.00026558 = 42.6256 BTC [+] {2} 
1130810;1431544305;trinque;http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/12/obama-dismisses-wealthy-americans-as-societys-lottery-winners-video/
1130811;1431544306;assbot;Obama Dismisses The Wealthy As 'Society's Lottery Winners' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBGujX )
1130812;1431544608;lobbes;'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
1130813;1431544630;lobbes;whatever happened to 'life isn't fair'?
1130814;1431544665;chetty;fair is the one word I might agree should be banned
1130815;1431544809;trinque;the practical meaning these days is "we're going to beat more handouts out of the wealthy"
1130816;1431544818;trinque;world's upside down
1130817;1431545048;trinque;no need to ban the word though; bitcoin will reduce it to ridicule
1130818;1431545115;trinque;"fair" may be one of the most narcissistic concepts in American "thinking"
1130819;1431545134;trinque;that no matter the game, there is always an authority with the power to render it fair
1130820;1431545149;trinque;whether this is life and death or the cost of your tank of gas
1130821;1431545184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195300 @ 0.00025338 = 49.4851 BTC [-] {2} 
1130822;1431545193;trinque;it's easy to see that a culture which even considers "fair" a thing runs the risk of totalitarianism
1130823;1431546904;trinque;http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden << "The Saudis feared if we knew we would pressure the Pakistanis to let bin Laden start talking to us about what the Saudis had been doing with al-Qaida. And they were dropping money – lots of it."
1130824;1431546904;assbot;Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6Ia76 )
1130825;1431546980;trinque;"Both services often find it useful to engage in public feuds ‘to cover their asses’, as the retired official put it, but they continually share intelligence used for drone attacks, and co-operate on covert operations."
1130826;1431547616;jurov;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html
1130827;1431547616;assbot;Britain is too tolerant and should interfere more in people's lives, says David Cameron - UK Politics - UK - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1PH5OFv )
1130828;1431547630;jurov;“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',”
1130829;1431547647;jurov;to cry, or to laugh?
1130830;1431547744;trinque;The package of powers, first proposed in March, would allow courts to force a person to send their tweets and Facebook posts to the police for approval.
1130831;1431547747;trinque;ahhahahaha
1130832;1431547750;trinque;jurov: I'm going with laugh
1130833;1431547807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200144 @ 0.00025692 = 51.421 BTC [+] {2} 
1130834;1431547840;trinque;they're children; even their totalitarian day-dreams amount to "uh uh you can't tweet mean things about us!"
1130835;1431548017;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-usa-gulf-idUSKBN0NY28U20150513 << seems the equalitarian president can't acknowledge what an insult it is for the king to send his inferiors to meet him
1130836;1431548019;assbot;      Obama meets two Saudi princes after King sent regrets | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1PH6Hy1 )
1130837;1431548117;trinque;"The president called Saudi Arabia a critical partner in the fight against Islamic State militants." << yes, I suppose making sure ISIS exists is critical to the fight against ISIS.
1130838;1431548442;trinque;t4nk: you're polluting the channel with joins and quits; kindly cut it out.
1130839;1431548706;Naphex;trinque: man you deserve op status, maybe you can kick one or two :))
1130840;1431548733;Naphex;that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
1130841;1431548735;Naphex;weak even
1130842;1431548787;trinque;eh I don't know about "deserve"
1130843;1431548799;trinque;could probably be solved with some assbottery
1130844;1431548816;kakobrekla;myea
1130845;1431548846;*;kakobrekla doesn't actually see parts and joins though
1130846;1431548864;*;trinque turns those off
1130847;1431548880;kakobrekla;its a blessing.
1130848;1431548949;trinque;much better
1130849;1431549759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46827 @ 0.00025449 = 11.917 BTC [-]
1130850;1431550122;jurov;imo this is UI issue, irc clients should be able to maybe fold/unfold this, or filter repeated lines
1130851;1431550238;jurov;kicking people should be absolutely last resort
1130852;1431550326;jurov;poor Vexual now sitting every day outside before the gate, if someone drops a word or a bone
1130853;1431550403;kakobrekla;you want him back?
1130854;1431550409;kakobrekla;!unrate vexual
1130855;1431550410;assbot;vexual is not registered in WoT.
1130856;1431550441;jurov;but he's permabanned, too?
1130857;1431550446;kakobrekla;eh?
1130858;1431550474;jurov;he can be !upped normally?
1130859;1431550492;kakobrekla;i don't see a reason why not.
1130860;1431550499;jurov;aha
1130861;1431550710;jurov;then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
1130862;1431550796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56323 @ 0.00025449 = 14.3336 BTC [-]
1130863;1431551497;kakobrekla;https://plus.google.com/+MarcBevand/posts/9waJsLiMXfZ
1130864;1431551498;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBV5vF )
1130865;1431551691;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha.
1130866;1431551704;asciilifeform;what mircea_popescu said ~1.5 yrs ago.
1130867;1431551730;asciilifeform;(usg miners)
1130868;1431552247;asciilifeform;http://www.coindesk.com/california-business-raided-over-alleged-altcoin-gambling << unrelated l0l
1130869;1431552248;assbot;Southern California Business Raided Over Alleged Altcoin Gambling ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxQLS2 )
1130870;1431552458;asciilifeform;re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
1130871;1431552469;asciilifeform;and just accepted yet a new job from obamitler himself
1130872;1431552478;asciilifeform;and that 'freedom to tinker' now hosts things like https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/bitcoin-faces-a-crossroads-needs-an-effective-decision-making-process
1130873;1431552480;assbot;Bitcoin faces a crossroads, needs an effective decision-making process ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBWF0O )
1130874;1431552487;asciilifeform;written by random bozos
1130875;1431552503;asciilifeform;sic transit gloria mundi (tm)
1130876;1431552537;asciilifeform;http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/11/white-house-appoints-nsa-criticizing-computer-scientist-ed-felten-to-key-post << reported in some rag
1130877;1431552538;assbot;White House appoints NSA-criticizing computer scientist Ed Felten to key post | VentureBeat | Security | by Dylan Tweney ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBWNNP )
1130878;1431552552;asciilifeform;spun, of course, as a 'concession to critics' - naturally
1130879;1431552565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15845 @ 0.00026802 = 4.2468 BTC [+]
1130880;1431552582;asciilifeform;'As deputy, Felten will report to former Google exec Megan Smith, the recently named White House CTO.'
1130881;1431552585;asciilifeform;^ for extra lulz
1130882;1431552603;trinque;that's forward thinking of the white house!
1130883;1431552606;trinque;female cto, how bout that
1130884;1431552611;asciilifeform;l0lward
1130885;1431552707;trinque;later they'll say they "embraced the debate" by hiring him
1130886;1431552720;asciilifeform;this fella used to be the 'genuine article'
1130887;1431552722;trinque;(tightly enough to choke it out)
1130888;1431552746;asciilifeform;was a genuine annoyance to usg, in the courts, press, net
1130889;1431552762;asciilifeform;what kind of pill was used - i do not know.
1130890;1431552820;asciilifeform;now his old www is full of gavincoin shilling etc.
1130891;1431553002;asciilifeform;and articles like this, https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jbonneau/be-wary-of-one-time-pads-and-other-crypto-unicorns which is a kind of 'mouse poison' in the sense that it combines perfectly valid observation 'don't use random bozo's java crypto turd' with 'one time pads cannot work'
1130892;1431553003;assbot;Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBXx5m )
1130893;1431553027;asciilifeform;tasty bait, a little bit of poison - perfect recipe, every exterminator knows
1130894;1431553137;jurov;well, it's more common than you think. had i myself not been here, i'd be easily swayed for an "opportunity to change things"
1130895;1431553247;asciilifeform;jurov: sure
1130896;1431553269;asciilifeform;jurov: and money (yes, the rotten greenback fiat kind) works wonders.
1130897;1431553298;*;asciilifeform once starved long enough that he applied to work at old classic nsa
1130898;1431553324;danielpbarron;!up maxwell__
1130899;1431553337;asciilifeform;re: '21' etc >> 'The cornerstone of the strategy as presented would have been the release of consumer products that would turn power from wall sockets into bitcoin through the widespread dissemination of bitcoin mining chips.' << -somebody- clearly reads the 2013 #b-a logs.
1130900;1431553371;asciilifeform;'Also included in the overview is an email exchange allegedly taking place between Comcast West Coast strategic development managing director Francisco Varela and 21 CEO Matt Pauker in which the cable giant exec evaluates how its customers could benefit from participating in 21�s bitcoin mining operations.' << aha, cable boxes.
1130901;1431553417;jurov;they would have hard time to rationalize the money if it was not connected to some do-gooding, moving and shaking
1130902;1431553419;asciilifeform;'According to the overview, the BitSplit chip's key innovation was intended to be a hardcoded bitcoin wallet address that would give the user 25% of mining proceeds, with the remaining 75% going to 21. Each device would be built with target applications in mind that would then allow consumers to, in theory, spend any bitcoin earned for online content or digital services.'
1130903;1431553456;asciilifeform;jurov: that's for folks with choices. at the time i would've taken a job filleting the last remaining pandas with knives made from baby bones
1130904;1431553512;asciilifeform;'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?
1130905;1431553513;jurov;ah, i forget in murica it's impossible to have own roof in few years
1130906;1431553530;trinque;lol, the houses around here are half a million or more
1130907;1431553532;trinque;give up
1130908;1431553566;trinque;at least for strong definitions of "own roof"
1130909;1431553581;maxwell__;danielpbarron: hi
1130910;1431553587;maxwell__;sup
1130911;1431553600;asciilifeform;'In the example, one user is able to use his BTC to skip 15 minutes of commercials on online video service Hulu.' << this is just too many lulz
1130912;1431553623;asciilifeform;essentially, they wanted to pocket 100% of the miner output while throwing occasional bones to the idiot chumpers
1130913;1431553629;asciilifeform;it'll work, too
1130914;1431553662;trinque;so being a part of the NSA botnet goes from top secret to productized
1130915;1431553663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29429 @ 0.00026829 = 7.8955 BTC [+]
1130916;1431553663;trinque;brilliant
1130917;1431553692;asciilifeform;trinque: they read the 2013 #b-a log and accepted mircea_popescu's assertion that they will have problems keeping mining secret
1130918;1431553700;asciilifeform;but took everything else and ran with it
1130919;1431553753;danielpbarron;i posted a comment to that freedom to tinker thing a couple days ago; it didn't get approved
1130920;1431553773;danielpbarron;maxwell, you are mxtm, yes?
1130921;1431553916;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is an ancient idea: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/broadcast_20cryptanalysis
1130922;1431553917;assbot;Halfbakery: broadcast cryptanalysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1cxVlQ1 )
1130923;1431553926;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130913 << i wouldn't particularly count on it.
1130924;1431553926;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:47:09; asciilifeform: it'll work, too
1130925;1431553926;asciilifeform;long pre-dates bitcoin.
1130926;1431553934;pete_dushenski;it's like the smartwatch idea.
1130927;1431553950;trinque;asciilifeform: I'd expect some broken off appendage of the NSA to accumulate a sizable stash of coin even if the rest of the USG falls apart
1130928;1431553954;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: why not? classic, grade-a chumpatron. the actual costs (mains power) are 100% externalized to the chumps.
1130929;1431553974;asciilifeform;it is precisely the kind of scam which has endurance.
1130930;1431553991;pete_dushenski;because a few 'early adopters' will jump on board, burn their houses down, and the thing'll fizzle out
1130931;1431554018;pete_dushenski;having 10 appliances running full-steam 24-7 will cost $1000/mo in electricity
1130932;1431554024;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: burn their houses down how? these won't be packaged as traditional miners, recall. it'll be in cable boxes, etc. that folks get 1 or 2 of
1130933;1431554026;trinque;so you just end up with a cryptoturd chip built into the intel processors, and you can't get other processors
1130934;1431554030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00026976 = 11.8425 BTC [+]
1130935;1431554033;asciilifeform;and ^
1130936;1431554049;pete_dushenski;i doubt even 25% of mining profits will cover the electricity costs.
1130937;1431554063;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the beauty is that no one will ask the chump if he wants to cover the costs
1130938;1431554073;asciilifeform;it'll be in his cable box, tv, etc. whether he likes, or not
1130939;1431554074;trinque;what consumer asks whats in his wifi router?
1130940;1431554076;trinque;yeah
1130941;1431554079;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: burn down from having flammables near cable boxes, toasters, etc ?
1130942;1431554086;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: no more than today
1130943;1431554093;trinque;and if you really need to ram it through, attach it to some "cybersecurity" bill
1130944;1431554100;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it'll be in his cable box, and if he doesn't like it, he will have to quit tv
1130945;1431554100;trinque;state-sanctioned crypto chip that happens to be able to mine
1130946;1431554128;asciilifeform;see the 'halfbakery' link, quite the same idea.
1130947;1431554132;asciilifeform;circa 2000
1130948;1431554140;pete_dushenski;by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
1130949;1431554154;pete_dushenski;"but if we have ENOUGH slingshots and they're government mandated"
1130950;1431554158;trinque;eh I don't know about that
1130951;1431554161;trinque;I'd like to think it, of course.
1130952;1431554164;pete_dushenski;"and if no one has a choice"
1130953;1431554171;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the only actual problem they will have is fighting over the coin itself.
1130954;1431554176;pete_dushenski;trinque: then think it :D
1130955;1431554192;asciilifeform;every other cost of the plan is externalized to captive idiots
1130956;1431554210;asciilifeform;for non-u.s. folks - if you subscribe to cable tv, you get the mandatory box. no choice about it.
1130957;1431554222;asciilifeform;ditto local net pipe monopolies/duopolies
1130958;1431554280;pete_dushenski;ok, so mebbe it doesn't burn houses down, and mebbe everyone has a half dozen of these chips wedged into their various appliances...
1130959;1431554281;asciilifeform;the added cost, of the hardware, is negligible
1130960;1431554289;pete_dushenski;i just don't seeing it mattering!
1130961;1431554314;jurov;afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
1130962;1431554315;pete_dushenski;these things will hash like 500 mh/s
1130963;1431554317;trinque;one must beware declaring victory early
1130964;1431554329;jurov;"content protection" (from customer, i guess)
1130965;1431554336;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: depends on what you think of as 'matters'
1130966;1431554350;asciilifeform;e.g., does it matter if usg becomes largest hash force ?
1130967;1431554356;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: mattering to hashrate, mattering to bitcoin.
1130968;1431554386;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: sure, but this is hardly the way to go about it. even if it's all they've got left.
1130969;1431554404;asciilifeform;after this, the natural thing to do from hitler's point of view is - to go after conventional miners
1130970;1431554409;pete_dushenski;trinque: bitcoin declares victory until proven otherwise ;)
1130971;1431554409;asciilifeform;extralegally, if necessary
1130972;1431554452;pete_dushenski;it's equally likely that 'conventional miners' will begin to curry favour with local governments
1130973;1431554459;asciilifeform;in usa, police raids for 'house was hot, you must have been growing dope'
1130974;1431554471;asciilifeform;abroad - 'gas main exploded, sorry'
1130975;1431554485;trinque;pete_dushenski: the declaration of a thing is not what makes it so
1130976;1431554497;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: -this- is what 'currying favour with governments' looks like
1130977;1431554499;pete_dushenski;actually, sane local govs are undoubtedly already currying favour with miners
1130978;1431554515;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130861 <<< nope, he's banned/exiled
1130979;1431554515;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 20:58:30; jurov: then maybe he prefers interviewing folks individually
1130980;1431554522;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton
1130981;1431554523;assbot;Emperor Norton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBZT4p )
1130982;1431554533;jurov;cazalla how?
1130983;1431554557;pete_dushenski;trinque: depends entirely who it is making the declarative statements.
1130984;1431554568;pete_dushenski;random derp =! bitcoin
1130985;1431554575;cazalla;jurov, because we don't tolerate drunken behaviour around these parts!
1130986;1431554590;jurov;who "we"?
1130987;1431554600;jurov;what if it do tolerate?
1130988;1431554607;jurov;*what if I do tolerate?
1130989;1431554617;asciilifeform;jurov: he's in your l1 and still can't talk ?
1130990;1431554627;cazalla;now as much as i love the ol' Vexual, i admit he does like to chat a lot and often makes no sense but by banning him, we now get to enjoy it on a more personal level via pm :P
1130991;1431554634;trinque;pete_dushenski: "bitcoin is bitcoin" has no tactical content
1130992;1431554635;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the stupid ones. the govs intent on slitting their own throats, sure.
1130993;1431554639;trinque;of course bitcoin is bitcoin
1130994;1431554643;trinque;and water is water
1130995;1431554659;pete_dushenski;bitcoin, tmsr~
1130996;1431554661;trinque;what's done with either, who owns it, is the meat
1130997;1431554689;asciilifeform;jurov: you could rate him and he could then speak, no ?
1130998;1431554695;jurov;asciilifeform yes that's what i'm asking.
1130999;1431554709;jurov;now it's answered
1131000;1431554714;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, he isn't even in the new wot
1131001;1431554770;cazalla;channel ban list is there for all to see anyway so why ask me
1131002;1431554789;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: usg is correctly leveraging its only strengths - subterfuge, on captive audiences, backed by threat of brute force
1131003;1431554819;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: so let's do the math.
1131004;1431554842;pete_dushenski;let's say that these things are hashing at even 1 gh/s
1131005;1431554869;pete_dushenski;and that they manage to deploy 10 mn units within 12 months from today.
1131006;1431554870;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: let's imagine that the only participating firm is comcast
1131007;1431554886;pete_dushenski;ok.
1131008;1431554893;pete_dushenski;does that change the 10 mn figure ?
1131009;1431554905;asciilifeform;according to 'bloomberg', 22 mil. as of feb '15
1131010;1431554915;asciilifeform;and that's -subscribers-
1131011;1431554918;asciilifeform;many have >1 box
1131012;1431554936;pete_dushenski;ok, so half of all subscribers in first year, one box per. aggressive but let's try it out.
1131013;1431554947;asciilifeform;(modem, multiple tv tuner boxen, etc)
1131014;1431554952;asciilifeform;ok
1131015;1431554973;pete_dushenski;so by this time in 2016 the usg has 10 mn gh/s at its disposal.
1131016;1431554979;trinque;no.
1131017;1431554980;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1131018;1431554983;gribble;Current Blocks: 356304 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 527 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48563574149.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.93138
1131019;1431554990;trinque;they have that plus every computer they already had at their disposal
1131020;1431554991;asciilifeform;why half? they upgrade codecs, 'new signal is not compatible,' want cable - gotta accept (phree!!111!!) new box.
1131021;1431554993;asciilifeform;100%.
1131022;1431555011;asciilifeform;and they can do this as often as they want
1131023;1431555015;pete_dushenski;;;nethash
1131024;1431555015;gribble;366925659.104
1131025;1431555015;asciilifeform;and who said just 1 chip per box
1131026;1431555022;asciilifeform;why not 20
1131027;1431555029;asciilifeform;it's claiming 0.22watt/GH
1131028;1431555038;asciilifeform;what, can't add 5W to box ?
1131029;1431555043;asciilifeform;customers will quit tv?
1131030;1431555077;asciilifeform;i can even see the cable becoming 'phreee'
1131031;1431555077;trinque;who will claim the NSA doesn't already have a metric shitload of potential hashing power to apply to this problem?
1131032;1431555085;trinque;the consumer product could just be cover for it
1131033;1431555087;asciilifeform;trinque: the elegance is that nothing is kept secret
1131034;1431555093;trinque;well what I'm saying is they do both
1131035;1431555094;asciilifeform;there are no shadowy factories
1131036;1431555098;pete_dushenski;best usb miner i recall was, what, 3 gh/s, maybe 5 gh/s
1131037;1431555112;trinque;asciilifeform: sure "oh this is all from those newfangled crypto boxes"
1131038;1431555128;pete_dushenski;so ok let's go with 20 gh/s per box, just for shits and giggles.
1131039;1431555133;trinque;and they start using their SSL chewing boxes, or what have you
1131040;1431555152;asciilifeform;trinque: it'll be a great 'hash laundry' yes
1131041;1431555157;trinque;the idea that the whole USG is the decrepit post office is laughable
1131042;1431555160;pete_dushenski;then we're at 200 mn gh/s in a year from now.
1131043;1431555168;asciilifeform;trinque: i said precisely this, in '13
1131044;1431555198;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: and what other player will catch up with this, do you suppose, and how ?
1131045;1431555198;trinque;people would like it to be so
1131046;1431555204;trinque;better if goliath has bad knees or whatever
1131047;1431555219;trinque;as people would like their declarations alone to move reality
1131048;1431555225;pete_dushenski;let's say hashrate increases 3-fold in next 12 months and we see that 200 mn gh/s is...
1131049;1431555238;pete_dushenski;;;calc 366*3/200
1131050;1431555238;gribble;5.49
1131051;1431555239;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: what is the basis for this prediction ?
1131052;1431555241;trinque;it's worth noting that anyone making declarations that come true is using his *power* to make them so
1131053;1431555245;trinque;not his magic words
1131054;1431555253;pete_dushenski;;;calc 1/5.49*100
1131055;1431555253;gribble;18.2149362477
1131056;1431555263;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i meant, for the prediction of increase
1131057;1431555272;pete_dushenski;so the usg'd have 18% in this scenario.
1131058;1431555291;danielpbarron;can't it only end up benefitting bitcoin to have more hashing power? (regardless of who is adding it?)
1131059;1431555306;trinque;danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
1131060;1431555321;danielpbarron;what is to diddle? is block valid or isn't it?
1131061;1431555323;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: basis is 1/10 of increase of 2014. seems reasonable to me.
1131062;1431555324;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: not if 51%, or 51% with a few helpers, or if all put to gavincoin, or, or..
1131063;1431555342;danielpbarron;who cares if put to gavincoin; I won't buy them
1131064;1431555435;asciilifeform;price will be waterfalled up
1131065;1431555446;asciilifeform;possibly even pegged to usd.
1131066;1431555450;danielpbarron;doesn't that ultimately help bitcoin too?
1131067;1431555456;asciilifeform;whether one cares - is a matter of taste
1131068;1431555465;asciilifeform;but let's suppose the conscript miners are for proper btc
1131069;1431555468;danielpbarron;USG would have to further inflate the dollar to do that
1131070;1431555472;asciilifeform;the buggers get a seat at the table
1131071;1431555487;trinque;"victory is inevitable" is what you tell the soldiers, sure
1131072;1431555488;asciilifeform;see mircea_popescu's essay about 'they are fine with being late to parties, they know they can steal the cake whenever'
1131073;1431555489;pete_dushenski;in any event, if the usg ends up with 18% of hashrate, albeit briefly, and throwing the kitchen sink at the the thing in the process, it would be about time they did something so productive.
1131074;1431555496;trinque;that is not how generals speak to each other
1131075;1431555517;danielpbarron;i thought the point of that essay was that bitcoin is the grand exception -- the cake that can't be taken
1131076;1431555554;asciilifeform;a good 1/3 of the cake is still sitting on the table
1131077;1431555581;pete_dushenski;and there's 7 billion mouths who want a bite.
1131078;1431555592;danielpbarron;i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
1131079;1431555592;trinque;of vastly varying sizes
1131080;1431555593;pete_dushenski;let em fight it out.
1131081;1431555593;asciilifeform;only a few mouths with teeth
1131082;1431555598;trinque;^
1131083;1431555620;pete_dushenski;each has 3 teeth, do they share them to make a bigger bite ?
1131084;1431555629;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes
1131085;1431555645;jurov;asciilifeform: and where usg gets the extra terawatt?
1131086;1431555653;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: and would he be wrong ?
1131087;1431555658;jurov;(10mn appliances *100 watt)
1131088;1431555659;asciilifeform;jurov: from tv junkies
1131089;1431555668;asciilifeform;who get it from same place as before
1131090;1431555685;jurov;but i keep hearing how the grid is in shabby condition
1131091;1431555690;asciilifeform;(usa is not pegged for generating capacity, though grid is a little strained)
1131092;1431555697;danielpbarron;the tv box miner must operate at a net loss (i get it the chump bears that cost, but eventually the wealth runs out ie: chump runs out of money)
1131093;1431555714;pete_dushenski;all i know is that '21 inc' sure as fuck isn't disrupting my sleep ad libitum.
1131094;1431555718;asciilifeform;shabby condition of transmission lines. but the 5-10W pales in comparison to the seasonal cycle when the ac units switch on
1131095;1431555724;asciilifeform;and each house eats an extra 5-10kW
1131096;1431555745;jurov;actually is the 100W heat needs to be A/C'd out, it may end up 300-400watt per one box!
1131097;1431555746;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: not suggesting that 'something is to be done111!!!111!1' about this
1131098;1431555760;asciilifeform;but i find it interesting that the buggers read the log and eventually learn something
1131099;1431555777;pete_dushenski;except "better late than never" isn't in this case.
1131100;1431555786;asciilifeform;let's suppose 'everyone' - ru, cn - participates. and supposing the 'race is to the swift' - who leads?
1131101;1431555820;danielpbarron;51% attack is the most credible threat, and even then they can't FIATize bitcoin (they can't break the rules)
1131102;1431555836;asciilifeform;jurov: if they're very creative, they'll have it rolled in with the 'tax-deductible' photovoltaic panel thing
1131103;1431555853;pete_dushenski;showing up to the train station when the steam engine is but a distant memory and the caboose is over the horizon, with no other train on the schedule, means you either start building your own train (blockchain teckmologee) or you stfu and go back to working the land.
1131104;1431555855;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: doublespend isn't 'fiatization' ?
1131105;1431555873;trinque;lol working the land
1131106;1431555894;danielpbarron;who would accept a transaction from USG ? and why should I feel sorry for them?
1131107;1431555903;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i'm trying to understand your counter here. is it that usg pocketing the last 1/3 of btc is not annoying? or that double-spends are not a problem ? or... what ?
1131108;1431555909;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: who leads ? i dunno. doesn't israel have some chip fab facilities ? other than that, china.
1131109;1431555913;trinque;I understand why people would want to think of the US as this fat, incapable beast that happened as some fluke
1131110;1431555925;trinque;feels good, gives them what they deserve or whatever
1131111;1431555941;asciilifeform;trinque: it is simply the largest slave empire in history. sorta like egypt, or inca, with nukes.
1131112;1431555941;jurov;asciilifeform: either your estimate expects 100W per household, or usd is not getting any significant poiece of cake
1131113;1431555951;asciilifeform;jurov: why 100W ?
1131114;1431555957;jurov;20 chips
1131115;1431555969;pete_dushenski;;;calc 0.18*7000000
1131116;1431555970;gribble;1260000
1131117;1431555981;trinque;asciilifeform: this is practically the salvation myth
1131118;1431555994;trinque;bitcoin's here so we can just wait on our salvation
1131119;1431555998;trinque;I don't buy it for a second.
1131120;1431556011;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: my counter is that calc ^. so within 100 years, usg is as deadly as pirate or karpeles !
1131121;1431556015;asciilifeform;trinque: 'you will wait for the bus for a very long time if you are the driver'
1131122;1431556022;trinque;yeah
1131123;1431556051;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: within 100 years, we will -all- be as deadly as pirate...
1131124;1431556069;pete_dushenski;lol right.
1131125;1431556083;danielpbarron;his name is trendon shavers
1131126;1431556099;mircea_popescu;so this stunner chick is working in a clothes shop. one day a guy comes in, goes straight for her,
1131127;1431556109;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: well, his slave name...
1131128;1431556112;mircea_popescu;takes his cock out and asks "you got something to match this ?"
1131129;1431556124;mircea_popescu;"i'm sorry, we only do adult sizes here."
1131130;1431556190;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: another problem with the "oh noes usg" card is that, as you well know, it's not monolithic. the infighting over any coins it gets its hands on will be considerable. and divisive.
1131131;1431556263;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i don't work with 'oh noez', but i like testable hypotheses
1131132;1431556281;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130812 << damned straight. lazy, stupid dudes from africa should not get a salary, college degrees and free housing on the grounds that they're black.
1131133;1431556281;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 19:16:48; lobbes: 'There’s a fairness issue involved here.' << there's that 'fair' trope again
1131134;1431556375;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130829 << to putin!
1131135;1431556375;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 20:07:27; jurov: to cry, or to laugh?
1131136;1431556402;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: here's the test : within 12 months (or 12 years ?), the 'usg' will be unable to double-spend a bitcoin transaction.
1131137;1431556446;jurov;asciilifeform: sry, my calculation is broken, it is 5W per 20 chips. but with the a/c and other overhead, can still be several times more
1131138;1431556522;asciilifeform;jurov: so chumper pays more. as he did when he had a crt instead of lcd, etc
1131139;1431556537;kakobrekla;there is always a chance for double spend, just a matter of how deep
1131140;1431556544;jurov;i was asking about a grid, not about chumper
1131141;1431556548;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski how do you imagine you test that ?
1131142;1431556550;asciilifeform;speaking of which, there's a fella on 'ebay' claiming to sell new, virginal sony 21" trinitrons.
1131143;1431556554;mircea_popescu;i can make a doublespend right now, what's to keep me ?!
1131144;1431556604;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130840 << no it's not!
1131145;1431556604;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 20:25:33; Naphex: that kindly asking for stuff is so weka
1131146;1431556609;asciilifeform;jurov: grid isn't pegged. not by a long shot. think of the whole affair as usg imposing a (comparatively, tiny) tax on its subjects with which to buy hash.
1131147;1431556610;jurov;btw, large lcd eats easily more than classic crt
1131148;1431556619;asciilifeform;jurov: of same size?!
1131149;1431556626;jurov;who buys same size???
1131150;1431556660;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet a 100-200W lcd
1131151;1431556662;asciilifeform;of whatever size
1131152;1431556679;asciilifeform;(my 4 panels together eat about 100.)
1131153;1431556698;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130859 << iirc i banned him.
1131154;1431556698;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 20:54:52; kakobrekla: i don't see a reason why not.
1131155;1431556709;kakobrekla;weirdo.
1131156;1431556714;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ok, then obtaining confirmations for said double-spend transaction ?
1131157;1431556719;mircea_popescu;kay, lemme figure out how to undo this
1131158;1431556750;mircea_popescu;!up SWARMsecret
1131159;1431556750;asciilifeform;!up SWARMsecret
1131160;1431556758;kakobrekla;lel
1131161;1431556778;SWARMsecret;zomg
1131162;1431556783;danielpbarron;heh, it worked!
1131163;1431556802;danielpbarron;i posted a link to chat through an "anonymous" twitter account named SWARMsecret
1131164;1431556835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00026986 = 31.3847 BTC [+] {2} 
1131165;1431556838;SWARMsecret;the interwebs is a crazy place
1131166;1431556850;kakobrekla;my 5 panels eat about 200w it seems
1131167;1431556939;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130870 << how ?
1131168;1431556939;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:27:38; asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
1131169;1431556968;mircea_popescu;oh for crying out loud.
1131170;1431556998;mircea_popescu;does usg-effective mean "bitcoin needs a decision making process which a) doesn't include mp as we've been pretending was the case all along and b) overrepresents us, as we've idem" ?
1131171;1431557000;mircea_popescu;fucktards.
1131172;1431557029;asciilifeform;https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/05/11/white-house-names-dr-ed-felten-deputy-us-chief-technology-officer << this
1131173;1431557030;assbot;The White House Names Dr. Ed Felten as Deputy U.S. Chief Technology Officer | The White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1K73yJi )
1131174;1431557037;asciilifeform;and before, similar position also there
1131175;1431557201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137500 @ 0.00026896 = 36.982 BTC [-]
1131176;1431557202;mircea_popescu;aha
1131177;1431557227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/freedom-to-tinker-derp.png
1131178;1431557228;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQDiE2 )
1131179;1431557270;mircea_popescu;let's pretend nothing exists because marginal observations by 60s feminists.
1131180;1431557271;asciilifeform;i bet he doesn't even read it today
1131181;1431557275;mircea_popescu;the gall.
1131182;1431557277;asciilifeform;(felten, that is)
1131183;1431557281;mircea_popescu;i care what he reads like i care what chickens eat.
1131184;1431557281;asciilifeform;he certainly doesn't write it
1131185;1431557296;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: could just as well throw the comment to the chickens then
1131186;1431557303;mircea_popescu;no.
1131187;1431557318;mircea_popescu;dja know what stalin's representative told the romanian peace delegation after the war ?
1131188;1431557329;asciilifeform;?
1131189;1431557330;mircea_popescu;"where the fuck is the comment!"
1131190;1431557398;mircea_popescu;it's not like, oh, i need something from him. i don't. he needs shit from me, in the future, and he won't get it, and the reason is exactly right here.
1131191;1431557403;mircea_popescu;he can sort it out for himself.
1131192;1431557429;asciilifeform;what is it that he will need ?
1131193;1431557444;mircea_popescu;well, the romanians needed a peace that didn't consist of rape.
1131194;1431557448;mircea_popescu;he will presumably need the same.
1131195;1431557453;mircea_popescu;it's what the defeated side usually needs.
1131196;1431557520;scoopbot_revived;Four Australians Among 21 Arrested For Firearm Purchases http://qntra.net/2015/05/four-australians-among-21-arrested-for-firearm-purchases/
1131197;1431557581;asciilifeform;l0l, au doesn't xray at customs or post office ?
1131198;1431557617;asciilifeform;it is well-known that usg does. and that no such item makes it out of usa via the post unless usg wills it.
1131199;1431557618;cazalla;not when they're the ones sending them
1131200;1431557621;asciilifeform;^
1131201;1431557670;mircea_popescu;heh
1131202;1431557776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently there's no russian note of this, at least on the web i see, but anyway : when patrascanu & co went to moscow to try and work out an armistice, molotov broke the drone with a very pointed "ce ati cautat la stalingrad ?"
1131203;1431557782;mircea_popescu;ie, da fuck were you doing at stalingrad.
1131204;1431557872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144150 @ 0.00027116 = 39.0877 BTC [+] {2} 
1131205;1431557971;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i am still curious re: your hypothesis. was it that usg will not claim the remaining unmined btc, or that it doing so is uninteresting to us ?
1131206;1431558213;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: hm i guess my hypothesis is that usg won't claim enough of remaining unmined btc to throw a wrench in the individual sovereignty of those in #b-a.
1131207;1431558229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/u7MgpbF.png << ripped out of google bookturd
1131208;1431558230;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K74z4a )
1131209;1431558299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 296000 @ 0.00026808 = 79.3517 BTC [-] {3} 
1131210;1431558301;danielpbarron;http://trulyscummy.tumblr.com/post/113137290948/why-i-stopped-being-a-tucute-and-started-being-a >> i was so brainwashed i though i was a piece of trash for being a trans male. i thought i was a "demi-poly-sexual, grey-gyno-romantic, self-diagnosed autistic felinekin". i actually thought this to be true.
1131211;1431558302;assbot;truscum ... ( http://bit.ly/1K74BJt )
1131212;1431558307;pete_dushenski;!up wao
1131213;1431558313;wao;wut
1131214;1431558315;wao;why me?
1131215;1431558326;wao;but thanks anyway
1131216;1431558326;wao;)
1131217;1431558335;pete_dushenski;wao: because you're here!
1131218;1431558379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aside the fact that deletant is pretty much a color revolutions expert in history rewriting, sure.
1131219;1431558429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these usually specialize in selective quotation, rather than wholesale confabulation - but devil only knows.
1131220;1431558453;mircea_popescu;he insultingly missed out the exact quote.
1131221;1431558834;pete_dushenski;http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-watch-basically-hacker-proof-202725548.html << lulz. article goes on to mention all the ways apple watch isn't and couldn't be 'hacker proof'
1131222;1431558835;assbot;The Apple Watch is basically hacker proof - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQH0xG )
1131223;1431558839;pete_dushenski;who writes these headlines ?
1131224;1431558848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61520 @ 0.0002676 = 16.4628 BTC [-]
1131225;1431558860;pete_dushenski;"And for the love of technology, please set up a strong passcode." << what strong 4-digit passcode ?
1131226;1431558867;mircea_popescu;1337
1131227;1431558871;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it's a remote for 'iPnohe'
1131228;1431558876;asciilifeform;so what is the discussion even about.
1131229;1431558895;asciilifeform;somehow 'old wine' gets to be discussion-worthy again because of 'new bottle' ?
1131230;1431558915;trinque;that article got paid for
1131231;1431558918;danielpbarron;iPhone can be reprogramed to use a longer password
1131232;1431558923;trinque;not even news; it's an ad
1131233;1431558939;asciilifeform;http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-rich-mastered-the-art-of-investing-190205874.html << who paid for that one
1131234;1431558942;assbot;Despite record $180M Picasso, art market no bubble - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQHgMZ )
1131235;1431558953;pete_dushenski;picasso duh.
1131236;1431558981;mircea_popescu;lo
1131237;1431558988;trinque;probably wherever it was auctioned
1131238;1431558998;asciilifeform;http://finance.yahoo.com/news/will-regulators-sideline-stock-trading-games-based-on-fantasy-sports-173714590.html << from same rag - fictional stock exchanges also 'regulated'
1131239;1431558999;assbot;Will regulators sideline fantasy stock-trading games? - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1K75em7 )
1131240;1431559140;asciilifeform;usg claims ownership of the sun, moon, stars. orders the sea whipped. news at eleven.
1131241;1431559176;asciilifeform;wake me up when the sea stops screaming when they whip it.
1131242;1431559183;mircea_popescu;lol
1131243;1431559256;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: what's your take on 21 and their race to toasterise mining ?
1131244;1431559262;trinque;http://digiday.com/publishers/business-insiders-curious-disclosures/
1131245;1431559263;assbot;Why Business Insider lets its reporters fly on sources' dimes - Digiday ... ( http://bit.ly/1bQI0lm )
1131246;1431559266;trinque;business insider is a shitty rag
1131247;1431559269;mircea_popescu;tis in the logs!
1131248;1431559280;trinque;as is the whole category of such "news" outlets
1131249;1431559298;trinque;the marketing side bleeds into the content side if there ever was such a distinction in the first place
1131250;1431559486;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: into the depths i go.
1131251;1431559547;trinque;doublelol @ https://advertising.yahoo.com/Blog/INTRODUCING-YAHOO-RECOMMENDS.html
1131252;1431559549;assbot;        A New Monetization Solution: Yahoo Recommends - Yahoo Advertising ... ( http://bit.ly/1K75Nwp )
1131253;1431560094;asciilifeform;in unrelated but pleasant news, i just unwrapped a beautiful edition of john strong's 'procedures in experimental physics' (1938)
1131254;1431560132;asciilifeform;http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5870004-procedures-in-experimental-physics
1131255;1431560132;assbot;Procedures in Experimental Physics by John Strong — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1K76vJR )
1131256;1431560174;asciilifeform;https://archive.org/details/proceduresinexpe00stro << apparently, the whole thing!
1131257;1431560176;assbot;Procedures in experimental physics : Strong, John Donovan : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K76vtz )
1131258;1431560181;asciilifeform;^^^^ l337 w4r3z!!111!!
1131259;1431560242;asciilifeform;no one should be surprised at the length of the section devoted to glass. in that period, folks were expected to do 100% own glass.
1131260;1431560252;mircea_popescu;30s ? fo sho.
1131261;1431560260;mircea_popescu;the bash of the time
1131262;1431560263;asciilifeform;then we got 'pyrex'
1131263;1431560276;asciilifeform;and you need an oxygenated flame for pyrex
1131264;1431560286;asciilifeform;now, pyrex is apparently going extinct on account of crapflation
1131265;1431560300;asciilifeform;for this and other reasons - not a bad time to learn glass.
1131266;1431560304;asciilifeform;(among other skills)
1131267;1431560434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124450 @ 0.00027157 = 33.7969 BTC [+]
1131268;1431560644;cazalla;my missus is not too bad with that, has been doing lampworking for like a decade
1131269;1431560807;cazalla;i'd rather move her kilns and tanks into the  garage and turn that room into a computing space tbh though lol
1131270;1431560920;asciilifeform;cazalla: lamps as in neon ?
1131271;1431560953;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1050348 << not quite 2013 logs, but i'll take it.
1131272;1431560953;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 19:27:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.
1131273;1431560965;cazalla;nah as in beads, paperweights, blown etc
1131274;1431560966;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103
1131275;1431560966;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
1131276;1431561032;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543
1131277;1431561032;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
1131278;1431561073;pete_dushenski;ah yes, the tileable mining floor
1131279;1431561142;pete_dushenski;21 will still plunk their chips in vcr's because of install costs for customer
1131280;1431561151;pete_dushenski;new floor would be price-y
1131281;1431561166;pete_dushenski;new gadget or gizmo ? easy peasy.
1131282;1431561264;BingoBoingo;With the power consumption of most cable boxes an extra 20-40 watts would probably go unnoticed by consumer
1131283;1431561281;asciilifeform;and if he notices - then what? idiots will quit tv ?
1131284;1431561288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90250 @ 0.00027205 = 24.5525 BTC [+] {2} 
1131285;1431561359;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, bitches on facebook. Wonders what could have went wrong.
1131286;1431561398;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they didn't do their homework at all. they're a very easy target for the "eco" lobby, and will be murdered as they can't afford to pay those leeches.
1131287;1431561402;asciilifeform;these folks fill the holy trifecta of 1) won't notice 2) if notices, won't care 3) if cares, impotent to do anything
1131288;1431561441;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not if they spin it as 'out coin is donated to offset carbon credits for mother gaia' or whatnot
1131289;1431561451;mircea_popescu;but whatever, i'm not here to provide strategic consultancy for free to "the titans of sv". fuck them sideways, they can go hire harlan ellison to do that.
1131290;1431561458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, even then.
1131291;1431561471;mircea_popescu;whatever, they want consultancy, they can court me like any other whore.
1131292;1431561529;asciilifeform;'eco lobby' is a usg tentacle like any other.
1131293;1431561536;trinque;any consumer product derpage would just be cover for turning on whatever computing power the NSA has at its disposal
1131294;1431561642;trinque;I mean this assumes whatever sub-groups within the thing haven't been mining on their botnets for years
1131295;1431561645;trinque;I don't buy that either
1131296;1431561663;trinque;there are guys inside the beast not nearly as foolish as that Force guy
1131297;1431561680;asciilifeform;trinque: if you mean 'botnet' in the traditional sense of the word, run the numbers.
1131298;1431561689;asciilifeform;(botnet mining today is a fart in the wind)
1131299;1431561694;trinque;who said today
1131300;1431561695;scoopbot_revived;US Poultry and Egg Prices Headed To The Moon http://qntra.net/2015/05/us-poultry-and-egg-prices-headed-to-the-moon/
1131301;1431561696;asciilifeform;and was a year ago. and two. and three.
1131302;1431561696;trinque;I said "for years"
1131303;1431561723;mircea_popescu;o.O the stuff qntra newses ?!
1131304;1431561759;trinque;that's it; the price of eggs and poultry is going to do the USA in for good
1131305;1431561882;jurov; they will import (unwashed! what horror) eggs from elsewhere
1131306;1431561942;jurov;and find it surpprising for qntra, too
1131307;1431561976;BingoBoingo;Things that adversely impact the utility of the USD is totally qntra
1131308;1431562066;jurov;so... bitcoin price per egg is expected to stay constant?
1131309;1431562095;danielpbarron;!up maxwell
1131310;1431562145;jurov;oh i get it, it's litecoin
1131311;1431562149;jurov;FLY CHIKUN
1131312;1431562231;BingoBoingo;Sure
1131313;1431562258;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform aws can definitely not be part of our canonical stuff huh. << agreed. i'll continue to get my sea-legs with what I've got so far, but what we end up supporting in the end will be a gentoo on a bare-rails environment. unless any objections?
1131314;1431562296;asciilifeform;bare-rails ?
1131315;1431562307;mod6;real hardware.
1131316;1431562312;mod6;non-virtualized.
1131317;1431562315;mircea_popescu;i dun think so
1131318;1431562802;danielpbarron;maxwell, didn't you register a key under the nickname mxtm?
1131319;1431564393;asciilifeform;strong's masterpiece, among many other useful things, explains how to make optical fibers (by hand, naturally)
1131320;1431564515;asciilifeform;what is the modern experimenter expected to make by hand ?
1131321;1431564519;asciilifeform;grant proposal signatures ?
1131322;1431564830;mircea_popescu;copypaste hey, http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?
1131323;1431564831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2sG6S )
1131324;1431565463;mircea_popescu;!up seraminta
1131325;1431565478;seraminta;yasss wassup hoes
1131326;1431565485;seraminta;i was told by my friend dan to come here
1131327;1431565492;seraminta;i see he is here
1131328;1431565493;seraminta;hello
1131329;1431565510;seraminta;someone please teach me about this i am ready
1131330;1431565617;mircea_popescu;who's your friend and who are you ?
1131331;1431565660;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron is this one of yours?
1131332;1431565690;danielpbarron;ah, yes
1131333;1431565709;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.mxtm.1:56b85c7ae290407ae089b8d262533fa748f89fd5322d85884cecb4882e22d744
1131334;1431565709;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mxtm with note: a kid who lives in Boston and likes languages
1131335;1431565772;danielpbarron;seraminta is one of the local girls
1131336;1431565783;danielpbarron;she wants to learn about bitcoin
1131337;1431565815;mxtm;that's me
1131338;1431565828;seraminta;yes
1131339;1431565832;seraminta;please teach me!!
1131340;1431565913;mxtm;fuck, this pi case is really tight
1131341;1431565931;danielpbarron;seraminta, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1131342;1431565932;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XIRU )
1131343;1431565936;BingoBoingo;First step to learn Bitcoin is to put shoe on head, in private, and balance it there for much time. Teaches discipline necessary to Bitcoin.
1131344;1431565963;seraminta;wow
1131345;1431565971;seraminta;u 4chan peice of frick
1131346;1431565973;seraminta;jk
1131347;1431565978;seraminta;i'll read that now tho
1131348;1431565999;trinque;BingoBoingo: then you chant "bitcoin is bitcoin" in the mirror each night
1131349;1431566005;BingoBoingo;seraminta: Nah, not shoe on head for camera, shoe on head to teach balance and focus.
1131350;1431566025;BingoBoingo;trinque: yes, while looking at agricultural price trends for the past two decades
1131351;1431566036;mircea_popescu;trinque and sagavin comes to enlarge your bollocks ?
1131352;1431566054;trinque;lol, yes he comes to increase your block size
1131353;1431566117;seraminta;is this to like
1131354;1431566121;seraminta;"mine" bitcoins
1131355;1431566122;seraminta;or
1131356;1431566207;BingoBoingo;seraminta: It is to increase your ability to say no to bad ideas
1131357;1431566218;seraminta;what
1131358;1431566233;seraminta;i dont understand how to lke
1131359;1431566235;seraminta;get them
1131360;1431566236;danielpbarron;there may be miners in here, but it's not limited to that
1131361;1431566240;trinque;that is actually a very apt description of the medicinal effect of #b-a
1131362;1431566243;seraminta;these links make no sense to me
1131363;1431566247;danielpbarron;seraminta, how do you get dollars?
1131364;1431566252;mircea_popescu;http://www.myhealthstoreonline.org/images/ProExtender/ProExtender-exercise.jpg << the 20Mb power changer.
1131365;1431566253;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u7SU )
1131366;1431566259;seraminta;i have a job heh
1131367;1431566282;mircea_popescu;seraminta http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
1131368;1431566282;assbot;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u9tT )
1131369;1431566297;williamdunne;seraminta: Bitcoin isn't free money
1131370;1431566304;seraminta;ok but how do i
1131371;1431566307;seraminta;do what yall do
1131372;1431566318;seraminta;what do yall do for it?
1131373;1431566322;williamdunne;Buy em'
1131374;1431566323;danielpbarron;you read the log for 6 months to a year
1131375;1431566326;williamdunne;Work for em'
1131376;1431566337;williamdunne;Take pictures of your tits for em'
1131377;1431566357;trinque;seraminta: before trying to acquire bitcoins you will want to educate yourself on both them and the technical considerations around keeping them
1131378;1431566376;trinque;the logs here are indeed the best way to do that
1131379;1431566381;seraminta;can yall just educate me on how to get that money tho....
1131380;1431566383;trinque;as are the various associated blogs
1131381;1431566387;mxtm;well you can trade for it
1131382;1431566393;mxtm;for traditional fiat currencies
1131383;1431566402;mxtm;or you can get paid in it in exchange for services, goods, etc
1131384;1431566421;seraminta;what do u do for them?
1131385;1431566443;trinque;seraminta: what interests you in them?
1131386;1431566447;mxtm;i'm more of the trader type
1131387;1431566458;seraminta;im a fan of money
1131388;1431566465;danielpbarron;seraminta, you have been given many suggestions; repeating yourself will not yield a positive outcome
1131389;1431566468;trinque;seraminta: what's money?
1131390;1431566480;seraminta;what the hell dan?
1131391;1431566487;seraminta;yall are being so vague
1131392;1431566520;williamdunne;seraminta: How do you earn dollars? Would you like us to specify every position available on the McDonalds' team?
1131393;1431566538;seraminta;okay but just by saying
1131394;1431566542;seraminta;oh u trade for them
1131395;1431566544;seraminta;is vague
1131396;1431566544;seraminta;like
1131397;1431566547;seraminta;trade what
1131398;1431566549;danielpbarron;if you straight up just want some coin, I can sell it to you in person; just hand me cash
1131399;1431566553;seraminta;how much is each thing worth like
1131400;1431566561;danielpbarron;;;ticker
1131401;1431566562;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.51, Best ask: 236.63, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 236.51, 24 hour volume: 29052.82160197, 24 hour low: 234.22, 24 hour high: 245.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1131402;1431566565;williamdunne;$ in bitcoin out, its like magic
1131403;1431566569;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina
1131404;1431566570;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.468966, Best ask: 235.48187, Bid-ask spread: 0.01290, Last trade: 235.467353, 24 hour volume: 61772.47790000, 24 hour low: 233.4011, 24 hour high: 244.75662, 24 hour vwap: 241.381998979
1131405;1431566578;mxtm;where are you located, seraminta?
1131406;1431566608;copypaste;08:53:49*@mircea_popescu copypaste hey, http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php suit you ?
1131407;1431566609;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uwVk )
1131408;1431566613;copypaste;Yes, very nice mircea_popescu
1131409;1431566620;mircea_popescu;splendid.
1131410;1431566623;copypaste;I especially like this: http://trilema.com/banners/trilema-online-rape.png
1131411;1431566624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uAo4 )
1131412;1431566628;mircea_popescu;lol
1131413;1431566629;copypaste;You'll get a lot of clicks from that from our users most likely.
1131414;1431566637;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima add more etc, but doesn't need to bother you.
1131415;1431566642;copypaste;Cool
1131416;1431566674;mircea_popescu;o also! anyone with a scooped blog can make himself a banner, hit me up with it.
1131417;1431566694;seraminta;im in connecticut
1131418;1431566695;seraminta;why
1131419;1431566719;williamdunne;Because different countries have different trading systems..
1131420;1431566753;trinque;seraminta: read this -> http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/
1131421;1431566753;assbot;A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uJrF )
1131422;1431566781;trinque;from there click links, or ask questions here
1131423;1431566784;trinque;and read the logs.
1131424;1431566800;mxtm;seraminta: well then ofc you can just do cash in person w/ danielpbarron here
1131425;1431566809;mxtm;cash in mail is also a good option especially for "off the books" type stuff
1131426;1431566850;BingoBoingo;Station wagon full of cash also works for larger purchases
1131427;1431566857;trinque;lol
1131428;1431566874;mxtm;and or a large box of cash
1131429;1431566882;*;mxtm eyes the boxes in the closet he would never be able to fill
1131430;1431566887;trinque;or a box of cash within which there are several boxes of cash
1131431;1431566901;mxtm;i have all of these priority mail boxes and free tape now
1131432;1431566902;mxtm;i want to use them
1131433;1431566910;BingoBoingo;Nah, station wagons has always been the premier unit of data transfer and what is money, but data on who doesn't suck
1131434;1431566922;mxtm;semen also transfers lots of data quickly
1131435;1431567028;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: In some places delivery services are still the most cost effective way of transporting web data
1131436;1431567032;BingoBoingo;mxtm: Not really. only encoded with 4 letter character set. T, C, A, G
1131437;1431567066;williamdunne;I can remember a while ago a calculation being done that it was cheaper to have a 120gb SSD filled with data shipped to Canada than it was to download onto your existing drive
1131438;1431567084;mxtm;lol
1131439;1431567103;williamdunne;Including the cost of the SSD itself ofc
1131440;1431567238;danielpbarron;https://i.imgur.com/bbXqps5.jpg << seraminta is the one on the right (best pic i could find)
1131441;1431567238;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vctT )
1131442;1431567277;danielpbarron;!up seraminta
1131443;1431567282;seraminta;why
1131444;1431567285;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you know you gotta let people publish their own pics.
1131445;1431567286;seraminta;did u post that dude lol
1131446;1431567327;danielpbarron;i took that pic, it is my own. but i'll keep that in mind for future reference
1131447;1431567344;seraminta;bye
1131448;1431567380;copypaste;lol
1131449;1431567394;copypaste;One moment please danielpbarron.
1131450;1431567423;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.
1131451;1431567512;mircea_popescu;the human body has some permissible cuts, and the calves aren't it. if you don't cut the neck, the next is the torso, between lower rib and belly button, and if you don't cut that you don't cut anything.
1131452;1431567547;*;danielpbarron nods
1131453;1431567609;copypaste;danielpbarron: https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html
1131454;1431567610;assbot;/b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vLUn )
1131455;1431567611;copypaste;:^)
1131456;1431567649;mircea_popescu;aww. now you've gone given him an irl problem.
1131457;1431567703;cazalla;ahha copypaste
1131458;1431567718;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/b/res/2682469.html#q2682495 see ? you lose at chans.
1131459;1431567719;assbot;/b/ - which one would you fuck, /b/? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2vYa8 )
1131460;1431567898;mircea_popescu;random lulz : in the 70s, romania was doing a very argnetine-like autarky thing. making local whisky, local everything. including local gin, which was made at covasna,
1131461;1431567905;mircea_popescu;and consequently the brand name was covagin
1131462;1431568121;cazalla;doesn't seem anyone wants to bang #3
1131463;1431568147;copypaste;might just be a bad picture of 3
1131464;1431568150;copypaste;not a very forgiving angle
1131465;1431568187;cazalla;nothing forgiving about 1 out of 5 girls wearing jeans at the beach
1131466;1431568231;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-tigancusa-spune-drept/ here, better set.
1131467;1431568231;assbot;[NSFW] Tigancusa, spune drept... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2wGnY )
1131468;1431568232;cazalla;fwiw, i'd bang all 5 but only admit to 2 or maybe 3 of em
1131469;1431568236;mircea_popescu;also jeans at beach.
1131470;1431568261;mircea_popescu;cazalla married men would fuck anything.
1131471;1431568273;cazalla;no doubt about that
1131472;1431568276;trinque;lol
1131473;1431568903;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130886 << so did zimmerman. and plenty of others.
1131474;1431568903;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:32:00; asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'
1131475;1431568909;mircea_popescu;there's something about old men.
1131476;1431568911;asciilifeform;aha. same dynamic.
1131477;1431568933;asciilifeform;(how old is schneier ?)
1131478;1431568938;mircea_popescu;"Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns" vbwghahgahaha
1131479;1431568940;mircea_popescu;o god almighty.
1131480;1431568961;asciilifeform;to be fair, the item under review was a prng turd written for turdroid etc.
1131481;1431568971;mircea_popescu;you know, these schmucks have nothing of the quality of schmuckdom in the soviet times.
1131482;1431568981;mircea_popescu;just as many poltrons then, but really, a lot more style.
1131483;1431568996;mircea_popescu;now it's just... blunt. vulgar.
1131484;1431569000;asciilifeform;what can i say, these folks have more distance between selves and the cultured times.
1131485;1431569031;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1131486;1431569053;asciilifeform;the talmudists had it right, in their picture of wisdom being at peak (in their cosmography, in the era of moses) and fading away monotonically since
1131487;1431569080;mircea_popescu;i dun think so.
1131488;1431569087;asciilifeform;well, wrong about details, but basic idea
1131489;1431569154;mircea_popescu;mebbe. tho i dun think so. not that i have any serious basis for it.
1131490;1431569242;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130904 << dude. it's the pump phase of a pump and dump scam. what do you expect ? there is no connection between the depicted elements under the surface.
1131491;1431569242;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:45:12; asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?
1131492;1431569256;mircea_popescu;it's like you're expecting to find flesh under a stand-up cut-out of angelina jolie.
1131493;1431569280;asciilifeform;is it entirely inconceivable that they are in fact churning out miners ?
1131494;1431569303;asciilifeform;how this act is financed is a secondary consideration. for all i know, they are whoring out their daughters to pay for it
1131495;1431569336;mircea_popescu;i've yet to see any tripwire move.
1131496;1431569352;mircea_popescu;maybe they're doing it in supersecret, but so far, on the balance of intelligence, it's just gift of gab.
1131497;1431569358;asciilifeform;afaik no one alleged that this particular set is plugged in yet
1131498;1431569364;mircea_popescu;has to be made.
1131499;1431569371;mircea_popescu;you know, in a plant.
1131500;1431569377;mircea_popescu;designed. you know, by someone.
1131501;1431569377;mircea_popescu;etc.
1131502;1431569385;asciilifeform;allegation was, by intel
1131503;1431569390;mircea_popescu;where ?
1131504;1431569398;asciilifeform;at one of their fabs
1131505;1431569408;mircea_popescu;intel has a finite number of discrete fabs
1131506;1431569416;mircea_popescu;they can't produce anything at "one of the fabs"
1131507;1431569428;*;asciilifeform wasn't there, doesn't know at which in particular
1131508;1431569437;mircea_popescu;there's oregon, arizona new mexico, some secret and some offshoire locations
1131509;1431569492;williamdunne;The trilema rotator works on neither of my computers :/
1131510;1431569499;mircea_popescu;williamdunne what happens ?
1131511;1431569517;williamdunne;One one computer, nothing
1131512;1431569526;mircea_popescu;see page source ?
1131513;1431569538;williamdunne;On the other I get a very quick flash of the no image logo, which then disappears
1131514;1431569541;williamdunne;Yeah I'll check it
1131515;1431569546;mircea_popescu;should be something like $ curl http://trilema.com/banners/rotator.php
1131516;1431569546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2yFIO )
1131517;1431569546;mircea_popescu;<a href="http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#selection-109.0-109.105"><img src="http://trilema.com/banners/trilema-purpose.png"></a>
1131518;1431569563;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite possibly they read the 2013 #b-a thread and took the advice of baking a hashing engine into an existing system-on-chip design
1131519;1431569570;williamdunne;One thing:
1131520;1431569570;williamdunne;03:11:47.553 The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the page must be declared in the document or in the transfer protocol.1 rotator.php
1131521;1431569584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207363 @ 0.00027095 = 56.185 BTC [-] {2} 
1131522;1431569596;mircea_popescu;yeah well. it's supposed to go into a diff page, with its own declarations, and it uses no glyphs.
1131523;1431569603;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you understand the qty of engineering involved.
1131524;1431569605;williamdunne;Source is:
1131525;1431569605;williamdunne;<img class="hlfcdjdaavkkxwcvfwse" src="http://trilema.com/banners/bitbet-berkshire.png">
1131526;1431569631;mircea_popescu;yes, they'll have this in five years. the effort required to do it in a year ? you'd hear.
1131527;1431569638;williamdunne;Interesting, should work
1131528;1431569643;mircea_popescu;williamdunne weird class ?!
1131529;1431569672;williamdunne;Yeah, thats the one I'm getting
1131530;1431569704;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mine is ~450 lines of verilog
1131531;1431569705;mircea_popescu;it seems like your browser supplies it somehow ? the source has no class spec.
1131532;1431569728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your embeddable bitcoin miner ?
1131533;1431569732;asciilifeform;it isn't the most optimal in the world (far from it) and a 'serious', 'grown man's' miner oughta be designed at discrete logic level
1131534;1431569742;asciilifeform;but the overall complexity of the act of mining is not high
1131535;1431569829;*;asciilifeform mined his first, and for long time, only bitcoin, on an fpga for which he wrote a very elementary miner, as an exercise
1131536;1431569838;asciilifeform;many other folks did this
1131537;1431569882;asciilifeform;most of them, i will point out, long before i did
1131538;1431569886;*;mircea_popescu awaits the 500 verilog lines gpu and the 2200 lines cpu to be released by intel soon=ish, totally busting the market.
1131539;1431569902;mircea_popescu;it'll even fit in heads.
1131540;1431569911;asciilifeform;stas@humanoid ~ $ wc -l mips.v
1131541;1431569912;asciilifeform;359 mips.v
1131542;1431569927;trinque;williamdunne: you using adblock?
1131543;1431569931;williamdunne;trinque: I am
1131544;1431569936;trinque;'tis an ad
1131545;1431569938;trinque;:D
1131546;1431569948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it won't be busting any markets. because 'how world works' (TM)
1131547;1431569963;mircea_popescu;and so here we go, full circle.
1131548;1431569988;mircea_popescu;trinque you figure it actually blocks an image wrapped in an url ? that's almost all of em ?
1131549;1431570004;williamdunne;Yeah youre right, its adblock causing it
1131550;1431570019;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Rotator and banner are probably both keywords
1131551;1431570077;mircea_popescu;sheit!
1131552;1431570148;asciilifeform;for the benefit of log readers, i will point out again, that a sha256 hashing circuit is dwarfed, complexity-wise, by all but the simplest 'homework' cpu, gpu, whatever other ic product
1131553;1431570186;mircea_popescu;copypaste pls to use http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php instead!
1131554;1431570186;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2zBge )
1131555;1431570187;asciilifeform;they only appear complicated because 1) folks slept through school 2) lack of popular access to chip fab tech translates to lack of interest in even the most elementary aspects of engineering
1131556;1431570188;mircea_popescu;williamdunne does that work ?
1131557;1431570209;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yeah they don't trigger it
1131558;1431570211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mining is not just sha 256 hashing
1131559;1431570222;mircea_popescu;copypaste because apparently adblocking assholery.
1131560;1431570225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is also a counter, yes
1131561;1431570231;asciilifeform;big fat full-adder.
1131562;1431570242;asciilifeform;takes up all of 1% of the gates
1131563;1431570247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform miner without a node ? miner without any security w/e ?
1131564;1431570272;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down; that's not my department, said werhner von braun...'
1131565;1431570285;mircea_popescu;yes well, 90% of a job is not a job.
1131566;1431570305;asciilifeform;the miscreants from earlier thread, with the cable boxes ?
1131567;1431570313;asciilifeform;betcha plan is to have'em all hang off one node
1131568;1431570319;asciilifeform;link rsa'd
1131569;1431570334;asciilifeform;(at least, in outgoing direction)
1131570;1431570337;mircea_popescu;will be fun to ddos then.
1131571;1431570351;asciilifeform;if cable boxes, won't sit on public net
1131572;1431570353;mircea_popescu;im sure nukes will help them keep it up.
1131573;1431570413;asciilifeform;by 'hanging off one node', meant that the device issued to schmucks will not include a node
1131574;1431570415;asciilifeform;(why should it)
1131575;1431570429;mircea_popescu;for reliability.
1131576;1431570436;asciilifeform;but merely the minimal iron necessary to getwork() from usg and return results in a form that is unusable to mitmers
1131577;1431570516;copypaste;mircea_popescu: Do you wanat it put up now?
1131578;1431570522;mircea_popescu;sure.
1131579;1431570530;copypaste;OK. Give me a few minutes :)
1131580;1431570533;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130948 << tbh i think he has it, but anyway.
1131581;1431570533;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:55:40; pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
1131582;1431570602;asciilifeform;i'm still curious, who is going to outcompete a hypothetical usg telecom monopoly inserting miners into cable boxes etc. and on what parameter ? cost of energy ? nope - schmucks pay. cost of manufacture? again, schmucks pay, indirectly. which is it ?
1131583;1431570609;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130961 << i have internet here, no magic box. had it in romania too, they offered me the magic box. i didn't want it , the woman was in shock
1131584;1431570609;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:58:34; jurov: afaik it's so everywhere, nobody does streaming available for own hardware, i have asked
1131585;1431570612;mircea_popescu;but i didn't take it.
1131586;1431570633;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeh tittydrip works :D
1131587;1431570660;asciilifeform;^ i think jurov was speaking of 'tv-style' interface where schmuck is not aware that he is using the net, doesn't sit around hunting for warez, etc. but just sits with ir remote & drools
1131588;1431570679;asciilifeform;it is what folks pay for when they subscribe to 'cable tv'
1131589;1431570682;mircea_popescu;oh, people still get tv ?
1131590;1431570688;*;mircea_popescu has no idea about any of that market. 
1131591;1431570692;asciilifeform;(which, where i live, has long ago gone packetized, yes)
1131592;1431570718;mircea_popescu;afaik it's like old style phone service
1131593;1431570723;mircea_popescu;you get it with the internet and nobody uses it
1131594;1431570728;asciilifeform;as discussed earlier, somewhere north of 20 million u.s. subscribers just for 'comcast'
1131595;1431570730;mircea_popescu;i guess gramas use it or something
1131596;1431570736;asciilifeform;and they use it.
1131597;1431570744;asciilifeform;every restaurant in d.c. area, for instance, has it
1131598;1431570751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 20mn users x 20 watts = doubling the current hash power. /me is unimpressed.
1131599;1431570752;copypaste;mircea_popescu: just a warning
1131600;1431570758;copypaste;trilema.com is using a self-signed cert
1131601;1431570769;copypaste;it won't work correectly because most of our requests are served over HTTPS
1131602;1431570776;asciilifeform;why it even has https
1131603;1431570793;mircea_popescu;copypaste uh it shouldn't have https at all ? my references are all to http
1131604;1431570795;mircea_popescu;you rewrite them ?!
1131605;1431570808;copypaste;mircea_popescu: No, but most browsers won't allow HTTP in HTTPS pages.
1131606;1431570815;mircea_popescu;ugh
1131607;1431570821;copypaste;I can keep it at HTTP but "Content Security Policy" in Firefox and Chrome will block it.
1131608;1431570828;mircea_popescu;shit.
1131609;1431570831;copypaste;If it's on an HTTPS page. It'll only work on HTTP pages.
1131610;1431570833;copypaste;Yeah.
1131611;1431570847;mircea_popescu;listen, what if i push the image out as base64 ?
1131612;1431570849;mircea_popescu;then no link
1131613;1431570888;copypaste;I'm not sure I understand your proposal
1131614;1431570901;copypaste;I'm linking via iframe like this
1131615;1431570904;mircea_popescu;lemme have it changed, a second, then you see.
1131616;1431570906;copypaste;OK
1131617;1431570914;copypaste;<iframe class="trilema" style='width:728px; height:90px; border:0px; padding:0;overflow:hidden' src="https://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no"></iframe>
1131618;1431571314;mircea_popescu;copypaste how about something like this : http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php
1131619;1431571314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2AO7j )
1131620;1431571345;mircea_popescu;has no references
1131621;1431571520;copypaste;It won't work with the iframe method. I would need the source code of that file and run it on 8chan's server
1131622;1431571535;copypaste;Because the iframe still refers to the plain HTTP trilema.com :(
1131623;1431571539;mircea_popescu;ah i see
1131624;1431571548;mircea_popescu;yeah but then how do i add/remove banners.
1131625;1431571555;copypaste;Yeah exactly.
1131626;1431571561;mircea_popescu;well what the shit.
1131627;1431571563;copypaste;If you have any domain with a valid HTTPS cert you could use that
1131628;1431571568;copypaste;And it would just work
1131629;1431571573;mircea_popescu;i don't, because i don't use pki.
1131630;1431571577;mircea_popescu;it's pretty well despised here.
1131631;1431571599;mircea_popescu;can you give me a ftp user in a subdir on your server and run it from there ?
1131632;1431571605;copypaste;I see, it makes sense. Unfortunately browser vendors have been very difficult about this lately.
1131633;1431571621;mircea_popescu;of course they have. usg wants pki everywhere.
1131634;1431571623;copypaste;Sure, that will work. You'll lose out on some stats stuff though that you could get by running it on your server
1131635;1431571626;copypaste;e.g. how many impressions
1131636;1431571630;cazalla;apparently these are the guns seized by aussie LEA, nfi if for real http://i.imgur.com/tQJkNNM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mKI3cI3.jpg
1131637;1431571631;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B7z7 )
1131638;1431571631;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2B5ag )
1131639;1431571641;mircea_popescu;well alternatively you could just import the php from my server into your page
1131640;1431571647;mircea_popescu;of course you'd have to validate the shit out of it.
1131641;1431571659;mircea_popescu;but i can swear it won't be malicious, fwiw.
1131642;1431571701;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Pretty clear those are sporting equipment
1131643;1431571721;mircea_popescu;^
1131644;1431571731;mircea_popescu;what's that, airguns ?
1131645;1431571780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 269587 @ 0.00027003 = 72.7966 BTC [-] {2} 
1131646;1431571841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28613 @ 0.00027215 = 7.787 BTC [+]
1131647;1431571854;cazalla;find out soon, i rang their contact centre and they said they'd email the images
1131648;1431571872;copypaste;I wonder if I could just proxy from your trilema.com PHP script
1131649;1431571879;copypaste;Like Bitcointalk does for images
1131650;1431571885;copypaste;And also send you the real user's IP so you get stats.
1131651;1431571905;copypaste;So https://8ch.net/trilema-proxy.php
1131652;1431571905;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L368Og )
1131653;1431571911;copypaste;Would that be OK?
1131654;1431571913;mircea_popescu;you should be able to.
1131655;1431571914;mircea_popescu;sure.
1131656;1431571927;copypaste;Great, let me do that.
1131657;1431571935;copypaste;This has the added benefit of bypassing uBlock.
1131658;1431571945;copypaste;Which is the new vogue of adblocking software. It blocks crcossorigin requests.
1131659;1431571954;mircea_popescu;as long as it punctures the pki bs i'm happy.
1131660;1431571967;copypaste;Yep. Only one with PKI BS will be us, hehe.
1131661;1431571971;asciilifeform;cazalla: looks like .22 (olympics caliber)
1131662;1431571994;asciilifeform;(first image)
1131663;1431571999;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: One's clealy a lever action, the other one appears to be a Ruger 10/22 (judging off of the magazing they laid on the OTHER SIDE of the levergun)
1131664;1431572004;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you gotta appreciate, the usg is not the only one mining, nor has it been. at this point, the deployment you contemplate might allow it to catch up, but won't do much more than that.
1131665;1431572026;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha. daisies++
1131666;1431572032;asciilifeform;cazalla: the 2nd is of an обрез
1131667;1431572059;BingoBoingo;Really the sort of thing Australia needs more of considering their rabbit problem
1131668;1431572097;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i suspect that only neutron bomb could have a hope of dealing with that continent's real problem
1131669;1431572128;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The spiders?
1131670;1431572134;mircea_popescu;the women ?
1131671;1431572136;asciilifeform;(and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)
1131672;1431572141;mircea_popescu;lol
1131673;1431572379;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131059 << except he already presumes it's not even useful. 490 lines of verilog don't allow for much remote diddle.
1131674;1431572379;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 22:15:06; trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable
1131675;1431572423;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131065 <<< lmao. why not just call on the heavenly angelic infantry at this point ?
1131676;1431572423;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 22:17:26; asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd.
1131677;1431572451;mircea_popescu;st thomas comes riding a flaming horse made out of female virgin saint asses
1131678;1431572483;mircea_popescu;shooting psalms out of their assholes at the unbelievers.
1131679;1431572529;trinque;mircea_popescu: what's your read of the exchange between pete and myself; I was hearing circular logic (no offense to pete)
1131680;1431572546;mircea_popescu;re this toaster mining business ?
1131681;1431572562;trinque;specifically that 'bitcoin is bitcoin' is a reason in itself
1131682;1431572575;trinque;my response might be "well, why fucking bother with a WoT" for example
1131683;1431572593;mircea_popescu;i think that argument holds water, to a large degree. recall the "bitcoin pervers the nsa" discussion with alf maybe a year ago ?
1131684;1431572602;mircea_popescu;perverts*
1131685;1431572624;trinque;that it pulls apart non-aligned organizations?
1131686;1431572629;trinque;like that guy Force?
1131687;1431572630;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131671 <<< subtle but not as subtle as usual :P
1131688;1431572630;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 02:55:36; asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely)
1131689;1431572631;mircea_popescu;no. thgat it realligns anyone.
1131690;1431572649;trinque;I can see that point.
1131691;1431572649;copypaste;mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/proxy.php?csurl=http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittydrip.php
1131692;1431572650;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BUA8 )
1131693;1431572653;copypaste;Look good?
1131694;1431572682;mircea_popescu;sure. but won't it bitch cause the img is http ?
1131695;1431572704;copypaste;Oh yeah. Please use the b64 version like before
1131696;1431572707;copypaste;That'll work perfectly
1131697;1431572725;mircea_popescu;trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 << that convo.
1131698;1431572725;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
1131699;1431572738;mircea_popescu;copypaste you use it lol. http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php
1131700;1431572738;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2BYQi )
1131701;1431572751;mircea_popescu;(lick not drip)
1131702;1431572753;trinque;mircea_popescu: ty
1131703;1431572756;copypaste;Oh, gotcha.
1131704;1431572763;copypaste;I didn't notice the different URL, sorry ;)
1131705;1431572825;copypaste;OK. I'm going to embed that now. I hope it behaves well under load. Time will tell
1131706;1431572830;*;mircea_popescu is curious what the load looks like
1131707;1431572835;mircea_popescu;haha yeah. keeping an eye on it here.
1131708;1431572858;mircea_popescu;Server Load0.04 (8 cpus) atm
1131709;1431572993;copypaste;I stuck it on all the boards. 8chan uses a style of rebuilding where a new post rebuilds a thread on a board
1131710;1431573000;copypaste;I have to force rebuild the boards we agreed to
1131711;1431573006;copypaste;For it to show on all threads and indexes
1131712;1431573009;copypaste;I'll go do that
1131713;1431573026;copypaste;But you can see it here already: https://8ch.net/pol/index.html
1131714;1431573027;assbot;/pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CcXG )
1131715;1431573029;copypaste;Oops, I forgot to remove Coinbase
1131716;1431573035;copypaste;As we agreed. I'll do that.
1131717;1431573041;mircea_popescu;danke
1131718;1431573084;mircea_popescu;trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin.
1131719;1431573101;mircea_popescu;this thing cuts a lot more universally than one'd reasonably expect, and quite scarily in its degree.
1131720;1431573128;mircea_popescu;"you can't halfass bitcoin" is the thing. which property is why i was musing that it's more like a force of nature than anything else.
1131721;1431573142;mircea_popescu;displays exactly the feynman property of "nature".
1131722;1431573183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150450 @ 0.00027215 = 40.945 BTC [+]
1131723;1431573188;trinque;I begin to understand -> mircea_popescu:you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to.
1131724;1431573207;copypaste;OK done. I'll go run that rebuild now. https://8ch.net/pol/
1131725;1431573209;assbot;/pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CmOD )
1131726;1431573210;copypaste;Thanks mircea_popescu
1131727;1431573243;mircea_popescu;o sheeit look at that :D
1131728;1431573284;trinque;the idea that human action inside a monetary system will reflect the incentives/disincentives of that
1131729;1431573291;mircea_popescu;mike wakes up, checks stats, is all o.O gets excited, comes here, says so before reading the log, then we link him to this k ?
1131730;1431573305;mircea_popescu;trinque human freedom is a very limited thing, after all.
1131731;1431573391;trinque;yep
1131732;1431573433;trinque;sort of like "will steam engines be used" -> "yes, after all, they exist"
1131733;1431573440;trinque;works out when considering the context the second statement is made within
1131734;1431573446;trinque;gunpowder
1131735;1431573447;trinque;so on
1131736;1431573489;trinque;so what did I have a problem with...
1131737;1431573498;trinque;it was that there's nothing to act upon within "bitcoin is bitcoin"
1131738;1431573507;trinque;but I suppose so what.
1131739;1431573532;trinque;sounded a bit like "after all, we're the Romans"
1131740;1431573612;decimation;my cable modem 'received an update' as soon as I plugged it into the cable network.  even though I owned the modem, I had absolutely no say or ability to stop the install
1131741;1431573633;decimation;we did docsis once here before, it's a 'walled garden'
1131742;1431573704;trinque;it's strange and a bit exciting to think that a single human can do something which then becomes almost *environmental* to the others
1131743;1431573787;mircea_popescu;trinque which is directly why i said that bit about http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.105
1131744;1431573788;assbot;Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2CTQT )
1131745;1431573844;mircea_popescu;and i'm not entirely sure the meta-universe is open to you at all. there isn't any space for you to "Act upon" in this enlightened, gender savvy, "i am an actor in a movie and i read the script" sense.
1131746;1431573854;mircea_popescu;all you got is what you got. your wot, your job, your wife, your boxen etc.
1131747;1431573890;mircea_popescu;copypaste btw you gotta rate me too!
1131748;1431573921;copypaste;Oh, of course :D
1131749;1431573931;copypaste;Let me finish rebuilding these boards, it's a pain in the ass to do it manually...
1131750;1431573947;mircea_popescu;no rush.
1131751;1431573958;mircea_popescu;and write a script!
1131752;1431573984;menahem;i don't know whats up - but links to selections aren't working for me.  they were at first, but not anymore.
1131753;1431573990;decimation;one thing that occured to me about the 'wot concept' is that one benefits by having your wot intersect your 'enemies' wot
1131754;1431574020;copypaste;i did ;)
1131755;1431574021;mod6;this is bizzare. i can only get the ssh keys to work /after/ I set a password on the user acount on the instnace (in /etc/shadow).  if the user doesn't have a password set, just asks for a pw when connecting.  (gentoo uclibc hardened) am i missing something obvious?
1131756;1431574028;trinque;mircea_popescu: selection thing isn't working, last paragraph?
1131757;1431574028;decimation;and that being that 'intersecting person' is probably a valuable position
1131758;1431574028;copypaste;foreach ($config['banned_ad_boards'] as $i => $b) { echo "php rebuild.php --board $b\n"; }
1131759;1431574033;copypaste;then pipe that to bash
1131760;1431574035;copypaste;:p
1131761;1431574061;decimation;mod6: is it an issue with pam?
1131762;1431574067;mircea_popescu;heh. everyone : try the location thing again nao ?
1131763;1431574078;decimation;authentication is tricky business
1131764;1431574098;mod6;decimation: hrm. could be i guess. i'll check into that.
1131765;1431574124;mircea_popescu;decimation i would imagine the larger it gets, the more useful it is.
1131766;1431574140;mircea_popescu;as many times discussed, it's not about the points.
1131767;1431574228;mircea_popescu;Server Load0.03 heh  i dun think this will be a problem
1131768;1431574245;decimation;no, but it is not likely that wot structure would be uniform either
1131769;1431574293;mircea_popescu;right.
1131770;1431574316;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131078 << more generally, as long as they pay to play like everyone else, they should be able to play just like everyone else. why not.
1131771;1431574316;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
1131772;1431574347;mircea_popescu;how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ?
1131773;1431574353;mircea_popescu;who totday remembers them all even.
1131774;1431574362;decimation;I find it terribly unlikely that any formal usg employee is mining bitcoin
1131775;1431574384;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131084 << currently, cn is actually ahead as far as this thing goes.
1131776;1431574384;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 22:20:29; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes
1131777;1431574393;mircea_popescu;ru is entirely fucktarded, which amazes me.
1131778;1431574400;mircea_popescu;but they're barely a player.
1131779;1431574409;mircea_popescu;maybe because bitcoin doesn't run right on windows, who knows.
1131780;1431574462;decimation;it does seem likely that someone in the world has an interest in cuckolding infrastructure
1131781;1431574929;menahem;decimation i was told that canadian gov employees were mining bitcoin.  however, when i asked about pools and block rewards, they had no idea what I was talking about. so... it definitely seems highly unlikely.
1131782;1431574990;cazalla;i vaguely recollect someone was using the machines at the ABC (gov owned tv channel) to mine bitcoin back around 2011
1131783;1431575061;decimation;it's possible someone is using infrastructure for a private purpose, but I can't imagine it is officially sanctioned
1131784;1431575062;cazalla;http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/secret-money-abc-virtual-currency-racket-probe-20110623-1ggp6.html there we go.. so technically australia gov first and bestest miner
1131785;1431575066;assbot;Secret money: ABC virtual currency racket probe ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyIvkB )
1131786;1431575081;cazalla;guy didn't get sacked either
1131787;1431575092;decimation;usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault
1131788;1431575139;cazalla;decimation, sorta what i was thinking in regards to double spending.. why would they need to do it when they can just pay you and steal it back
1131789;1431575368;cazalla;although i guess just because such scam would work on me is not evidence it'd work on everyone
1131790;1431575395;copypaste;mircea_popescu: you have your first fans https://8ch.net/b/res/2684297.html
1131791;1431575396;assbot;/b/ - new ads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2DOR8 )
1131792;1431575452;cazalla;gee that didn't take long for people to accuse copypaste of being mircea_popescu
1131793;1431575490;copypaste;mircea_popescu: you should probably put target="_blank" on the ad <a> tag so it poens in a new tab
1131794;1431575497;copypaste;one guy said it didn't work
1131795;1431575515;copypaste;"Blocked loading mixed active content "http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/"[Learn More]"
1131796;1431575606;menahem;"Into the adblock filter it goes." lol, these people blocking some of the most valuable info they could possibly get.  as MP calls it - missed opportunity.
1131797;1431575626;menahem;though I must admit, I did the same thing once.
1131798;1431575875;mircea_popescu;copypaste lolz
1131799;1431575882;mircea_popescu;ah doing yes.
1131800;1431576047;mircea_popescu;copypaste i wonder what the mixed content thing is
1131801;1431576060;copypaste;It works now
1131802;1431576065;copypaste;Mixed content means mixed HTTP/HTTPS
1131803;1431576069;copypaste;It's a new thing added by browser vendors
1131804;1431576075;copypaste;They don't allow HTTP content on HTTPS pages anymore.
1131805;1431576086;decimation;ssl everywhere!
1131806;1431576094;mircea_popescu;ah mkay. anyway, server load was throughout < .2 so i dun think that'll be a problem.
1131807;1431576104;copypaste;Great!
1131808;1431576105;mircea_popescu;and i intend to keep the mix more or less varied so.
1131809;1431576123;mircea_popescu;prolly a buncha people send more banners once they wake up/catch up with the log.
1131810;1431576137;decimation;^the fact that this is even possible demonstrates the laugh-ability of pki
1131811;1431576156;mircea_popescu;decimation you don't understand how teh world works!
1131812;1431576176;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin is a jewish conspiracy so these guys are shills, probably working for JIDF."
1131813;1431576177;mircea_popescu;word.
1131814;1431576230;cazalla;lol
1131815;1431576243;cazalla;bit obvious that one was mine but would do better in a pol thread
1131816;1431576305;copypaste;you could open a service like a-ads
1131817;1431576340;BingoBoingo;!s Van Ads
1131818;1431576341;assbot;33 results for 'Van Ads' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Van+Ads
1131819;1431576342;mircea_popescu;i nearly did a while back, but meh.
1131820;1431576387;mircea_popescu;well, 20k impressions served so far, notbad.jpg
1131821;1431576629;copypaste;!rate mircea_popescu 2 Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads
1131822;1431576629;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4efef792fbd75716
1131823;1431576632;cazalla;from ben garrison's new book lol https://8ch.net/pol/src/1431570130032.jpg
1131824;1431576632;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyLvxq )
1131825;1431576654;copypaste;!v assbot:copypaste.rate.mircea_popescu.2:f09d7cfdf4c180ab010f2c613430f01942fd618289ebc028950b5093135046c2
1131826;1431576655;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads
1131827;1431576675;mircea_popescu;what is brittle bone disease ?
1131828;1431576709;copypaste;osteogenesis imperfecta is the medical name
1131829;1431576768;mircea_popescu;oh the collagen thing ?
1131830;1431576865;copypaste;yes
1131831;1431576908;mircea_popescu;sucks.
1131832;1431577026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127250 @ 0.00026684 = 33.9554 BTC [-] {2} 
1131833;1431577261;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/b/res/2684297.html#q2684968 << bwahahaha.
1131834;1431577262;assbot;/b/ - new ads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfy2rn )
1131835;1431577266;mircea_popescu;little grasshopper...
1131836;1431577301;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131778 << if we're going in the direction of 'cuckold miners,' i'm not sure why anyone imagines any of it is attributable with any certainty in any direction whatsoever
1131837;1431577301;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 03:33:20; mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.
1131838;1431577343;mircea_popescu;this part of the tradecraft is all puffs of smoke alf. exactly the opposite of engineering
1131839;1431577347;mircea_popescu;practically speaking mysticism
1131840;1431577431;BingoBoingo;Oh shit http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35wtcp/trilema_ads_on_8chan/
1131841;1431577432;assbot;Trilema Ads on 8chan : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfyk1e )
1131842;1431577440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which smoke ?
1131843;1431577473;copypaste;BingoBoingo: Now two people think I am Mircea.
1131844;1431577484;mircea_popescu;just saying, puffs ofsmoke. they move deterministically, and you know they're there, but WHAT are they ?
1131845;1431577485;BingoBoingo;copypaste: Or shills
1131846;1431577510;mircea_popescu;copypaste people think everyone's me. at some point they thought i was a chick.
1131847;1431577519;copypaste;Because of MPOE_PR?
1131848;1431577523;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1131849;1431577542;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/leonard_wong_on.html < "This study found that many Army officers, after repeated exposure to the overwhelming demands and the associated need to put their honor on the line to verify compliance, have become ethically numb."
1131850;1431577543;assbot;" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfyzcF )
1131851;1431577587;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo any idea what the fedora thing is ?
1131852;1431577611;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's a neckbeard thing.
1131853;1431577627;mircea_popescu;is neckbeard anything other than libertard for "bad" ?
1131854;1431577656;BingoBoingo;It's a kind of bad, an aspie flavor
1131855;1431577663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is a specific character, in their imagination, quite akin to the nazi Jud S��
1131856;1431577675;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1131857;1431577682;asciilifeform;aha but with a minus sign.
1131858;1431577734;mircea_popescu;decimation i think soldiers kinda get numb anyway.
1131859;1431577818;cazalla;this pretty much sums up the fedora thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzaalWYqRo
1131860;1431577819;assbot;fedorable_parkour.mp4 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jfz72d )
1131861;1431577861;decimation;mircea_popescu: in this particular case, the guy claims that usg levies so many 'requirements' on its employees that no human could possibly fulfill them
1131862;1431577873;mircea_popescu;this would not surprise me.
1131863;1431577878;decimation;so everyone lies, pretending to achieve 100% compliance
1131864;1431577884;mircea_popescu;sorta like taxes.
1131865;1431577905;decimation;some young officers - tought from entry that lying is very bad - find the real working of usg to be shocking
1131866;1431577958;mircea_popescu; Good signature from Fredrick Brennan <admin@8chan.co>. Verify this message yourself << check out this shit, a gpg-ready chan
1131867;1431578017;mircea_popescu;" API for reports for board owners [allows you to have an IRC bot tell you when you have reports"
1131868;1431578024;mircea_popescu;dude... this shit has come a very long way.
1131869;1431578033;*;mircea_popescu ran a romanian chan years ago.
1131870;1431578050;asciilifeform;what is, in this context, a 'chan' ?
1131871;1431578058;decimation;apparently a bbs
1131872;1431578069;asciilifeform;generic term for www forum ?
1131873;1431578095;copypaste;Indeed mircea_popescu. I hacked the codebase considerably
1131874;1431578103;copypaste;https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity
1131875;1431578104;assbot;ctrlcctrlv/infinity · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyOHJp )
1131876;1431578106;mircea_popescu;a, you did a bunch of work there ?
1131877;1431578114;mircea_popescu;but this at start was a futaba or what ?
1131878;1431578115;copypaste;Yeah. It was really basic when I started.
1131879;1431578121;copypaste;It started as Tinyboard.
1131880;1431578132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in this context, a chan is a type of forum, used most famously by 2/4chan
1131881;1431578152;copypaste;I wrote the catalog ( https://8ch.net/b/catalog.html ), a lot of the javascript (desktop notifications etc), all the board creaetion feaetures, etc
1131882;1431578154;assbot;b - Catalog ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyOPIU )
1131883;1431578156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what are the defining characteristics of this type ?
1131884;1431578165;decimation;but no drug wars game
1131885;1431578165;copypaste;There's a lot if you go back in my commit history, heh...
1131886;1431578166;asciilifeform;or do they all descend from same proggy ?
1131887;1431578209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a lightweight structure, specific cli style commands and a requirement to start threads by embedding a picture. they're purely cosmetic, it's just a sort of forum ubuntu, if you take vbulletin to be windows.
1131888;1431578228;mircea_popescu;they i think all descend from the same thing (aka, futaba) reimplemented x times
1131889;1431578247;asciilifeform;ah
1131890;1431578278;mircea_popescu;and it all runs in php!
1131891;1431578296;mircea_popescu;which is probably the cutting-edgest application php ever knew.
1131892;1431578338;decimation;^ one wonders why nobody bothered to write something like this in pure c, given the performance demands
1131893;1431578405;mircea_popescu;i doubt there's actually that much of an edge to be had, unless one goes all the way to mold it into nginx
1131894;1431578415;mircea_popescu;have a chaninx
1131895;1431578427;decimation;yeah, good point, would have to re-create the whole stack of shit
1131896;1431578434;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1131897;1431578447;asciilifeform;decimation: the result of c in the hands of imbeciles is generally microshitesque
1131898;1431578461;decimation;which would be like engineering a sand castle with a toothpick (to paraphrase ascii)
1131899;1431578521;copypaste;more fans on the videogames board: https://8ch.net/v/res/3744246.html
1131900;1431578522;assbot;/v/ - What is this ad? ... ( http://bit.ly/1cyPI49 )
1131901;1431578529;copypaste;you're quite popular mircea_popescu :D
1131902;1431578533;mircea_popescu;i am ?
1131903;1431578547;copypaste;Very few ads get threads made about them.
1131904;1431578553;trinque;decimation: friend of mine wrote a 4chan scraper in c here -> waifu.xyz
1131905;1431578560;trinque;ah crap it's down
1131906;1431578564;trinque;see that's why you don't do it in C
1131907;1431578594;mircea_popescu;lmao
1131908;1431578620;mircea_popescu;how bad do they suck btw ? graphically i mean
1131909;1431578667;copypaste;The tit one is good. I bet you get some clients from 8chan.
1131910;1431578837;mircea_popescu;should be interesting.
1131911;1431578942;decimation;scraper is much easier than writing the server stack.  as yarvin put it "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory. The men who man these castles are men indeed, quick in emacs and hairy of neck."
1131912;1431578982;trinque;nah the whole site's C
1131913;1431578993;mircea_popescu;techniocally speaking apache is c too
1131914;1431578997;trinque;it's a site that scrapes 4chan for webms and archives them
1131915;1431578999;decimation;sure
1131916;1431578999;mircea_popescu;or was, at some point. before glibc
1131917;1431579005;trinque;he wrote the http thinger, all that
1131918;1431579013;trinque;guy likes abusing himself with 'write it in c' quests
1131919;1431579585;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131123 eh, mebbe we make it to 130ish
1131920;1431579585;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 22:27:31; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: within 100 years, we will -all- be as deadly as pirate...
1131921;1431579594;mircea_popescu;people do, even today.
1131922;1431579614;asciilifeform;eh but how deadly are they at 120.
1131923;1431579644;mircea_popescu;cixi was okay. so was stalin
1131924;1431579698;asciilifeform;stalin at 120, roommate with hitler in buenos aires ?
1131925;1431579710;mircea_popescu;lol. no, stalin at right before he was about to get beria
1131926;1431579727;asciilifeform;74
1131927;1431579761;mircea_popescu;but technologee!
1131928;1431579954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 34 @ 0.139 = 4.726 BTC [+]
1131929;1431580084;trinque;"I don't think you can raid b-a anon" << lol!
1131930;1431580114;trinque;says latest guy in /b/
1131931;1431580318;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/216NK1W << check out the story of bots. so assbot checks the link. bitly bot checks it too two seconds later. google ? twenty seconds later.
1131932;1431580319;assbot;dpaste: 216NK1W ... ( http://bit.ly/1A1AAaL )
1131933;1431580331;mircea_popescu;EMERGENCY!111 b-a has posted a link to things!!1
1131934;1431580686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173309 @ 0.00027257 = 47.2388 BTC [+] {2} 
1131935;1431580787;trinque;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ben_Garrison
1131936;1431580788;assbot;Ben Garrison - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1A1ByUd )
1131937;1431581662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160363 @ 0.00027278 = 43.7438 BTC [+] {2} 
1131938;1431581723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142137 @ 0.00027423 = 38.9782 BTC [+] {2} 
1131939;1431582211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00026519 = 10.6606 BTC [-]
1131940;1431582272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00027451 = 11.7216 BTC [+] {2} 
1131941;1431582785;punkman;"The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream  since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in  upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage  seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6  and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only  recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins have the fix)."
1131942;1431583675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239432 @ 0.00027461 = 65.7504 BTC [+] {2} 
1131943;1431583797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232509 @ 0.0002752 = 63.9865 BTC [+] {2} 
1131944;1431583858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41412 @ 0.00027693 = 11.4682 BTC [+]
1131945;1431584133;mircea_popescu;!up toddf
1131946;1431584147;mircea_popescu;davout btw, isn't your paymiumthing an exchange ?
1131947;1431585108;mircea_popescu;https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/shrine_of_statists.jpg heh, not bad that ben garrison
1131948;1431585110;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIbT9 )
1131949;1431585193;mircea_popescu;https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/authority_man.jpg well worked at any rate.
1131950;1431585194;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIflN )
1131951;1431585243;mircea_popescu;https://memorygapdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/al_gore_climate_change-2.jpg
1131952;1431585245;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4FErE )
1131953;1431585538;cazalla;shame those ones are edits of his originals
1131954;1431585624;trinque;lol
1131955;1431585631;trinque;https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IftYhBRLllk/VVAMl45O1SI/AAAAAAAAA38/myDSGzElEPg/s1600/m00t_ceo_of_troll.jpg
1131956;1431585632;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4G1Cx )
1131957;1431585666;trinque;http://garrisongraphics.blogspot.com/
1131958;1431585666;assbot;Ben Garrison ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4G2qc )
1131959;1431585762;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know i vaguely recall this entire butthurt thing @internet trolls
1131960;1431585810;cazalla;yeah i think i mentioned his work with OHPI (online hate prevention institute) like a year back
1131961;1431585832;mircea_popescu;http://garrisongraphics.blogspot.com.ar/2015/04/8chan.html
1131962;1431585833;assbot;Ben Garrison: 8chan ... ( http://bit.ly/1FfIPA2 )
1131963;1431585834;mircea_popescu;heh
1131964;1431585848;cazalla;the shit is so pervasive that you can't find his originals half the time lol
1131965;1431585871;mircea_popescu;seems a great compliment.
1131966;1431586383;mircea_popescu;o copypaste can i also has argentina! seeing how i live there atm.
1131967;1431586442;copypaste;Yes, you can. That board is in Spanish though so you might want to use a different page, or not.
1131968;1431586476;copypaste;I saw your article about McDonalds printing money there, very funny. I'm partial to Colombia as far as Latin American countries go personally though.
1131969;1431586517;mircea_popescu;im half considering it. you ever been ?
1131970;1431586524;copypaste;Yep
1131971;1431586560;mircea_popescu;not really much like what people imagine.
1131972;1431586684;copypaste;You could probably run a nice Bitcoin arbitrage out of Argentina if you did it right.
1131973;1431586691;copypaste;They have some crazy currency controls
1131974;1431586723;mircea_popescu;i can't be arsed. they're too poor and too retarded.
1131975;1431587059;cazalla;so AFP got back to me.. those pics i shared earlier are legit (yet the newsarticle shows an mp5 lol) and AFP tells me that they never sent the guns despite press release saying they did a controlled delivery and guns were seized
1131976;1431587155;mircea_popescu;aha...
1131977;1431588738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62129 @ 0.00026023 = 16.1678 BTC [-]
1131978;1431589030;mircea_popescu;"A students' union officer who is employed to promote diversity at a London university has reportedly asked white people and men not to attend an anti-racism protest meeting.
1131979;1431589030;mircea_popescu;Bahar Mustafa, the welfare and diversity officer at Goldsmiths Students' Union, told students that the union meeting was only open to "BME Women" - females of black and ethnic minorities."
1131980;1431589034;mircea_popescu;sounds legit
1131981;1431589548;cazalla;seen her? she's white as
1131982;1431589688;mircea_popescu;lulzy to me.
1131983;1431589714;mircea_popescu;honestly i watch the news from anglosphere today like i watched the news from biafra twenty years ago, as a child.
1131984;1431589742;mircea_popescu;a mixture of glee and excitement at the outlandishness of it.
1131985;1431589792;mircea_popescu;(biafra was a part of nigeria during civil war. famine and nutty shit)
1131986;1431589915;cazalla;yeah never heard of jello biafra or anything like that before that.. o.0
1131987;1431589972;cazalla;but yeah, heard of it before and it being short lived
1131988;1431590035;mircea_popescu;i suspect it defined "africa" for half a century.
1131989;1431593130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185250 @ 0.00026023 = 48.2076 BTC [-]
1131990;1431593936;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131450  but the boobs must be right in the middle!
1131991;1431593936;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 01:37:03; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and since we're doing future references : you don't want a 20% of empty sky and cut calves.
1131992;1431594167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118100 @ 0.00027693 = 32.7054 BTC [+]
1131993;1431597339;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 20000 @ 0.000207 = 4.14 BTC [+] {2} 
1131994;1431598315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195672 @ 0.00027694 = 54.1894 BTC [+] {2} 
1131995;1431598436;kakobrekla;;;later tell mircea_popescu how about using mikes dynamic banners for that?
1131996;1431598437;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1131997;1431599230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 243717 @ 0.00027844 = 67.8606 BTC [+] {2} 
1131998;1431599840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86060 @ 0.0002798 = 24.0796 BTC [+] {2} 
1131999;1431603500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140332 @ 0.00027823 = 39.0446 BTC [-] {2} 
1132000;1431604232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 356866 @ 0.00026736 = 95.4117 BTC [-] {3} 
1132001;1431606916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154950 @ 0.00028139 = 43.6014 BTC [+] {2} 
1132002;1431608698;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131946 <<< yes
1132003;1431608698;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 06:15:47; mircea_popescu: davout btw, isn't your paymiumthing an exchange ?
1132004;1431611043;mats;https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/5/13/739
1132005;1431611044;assbot;LKML: "Jason A. Donenfeld": [PATCH 0/4] ozwpan: Four remote packet-of-death vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaaxwI )
1132006;1431613484;asciilifeform;mats: wtf, who ever even used that thing
1132007;1431613492;asciilifeform;mega-snore.
1132008;1431613987;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131941 << very typical.
1132009;1431613987;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 05:53:05; punkman: "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream  since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in  upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage  seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6  and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only  recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins 
1132010;1431614306;mats;asciilifeform: i was amused
1132011;1431614322;williamdunne;;;later tell mircea_popescu have you purchased ads on 8chan? I just saw a trilema ad asking to buy photos of my tits
1132012;1431614323;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1132013;1431614446;williamdunne;!s stoya
1132014;1431614447;assbot;36 results for 'stoya' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stoya
1132015;1431615761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88152 @ 0.00028258 = 24.91 BTC [+] {2} 
1132016;1431615953;jurov;williamdunne: yes he did. and you're human female?
1132017;1431616493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127900 @ 0.00028323 = 36.2251 BTC [+] {2} 
1132018;1431616815;williamdunne;jurov: I miss that qualification
1132019;1431617943;jurov;here it says "I'm giving away 0.1BTC to any human female that.."
1132020;1431618413;danielpbarron;!up MykelSilver
1132021;1431618568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187817 @ 0.00028441 = 53.417 BTC [+] {2} 
1132022;1431618898;jurov;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/us-companies-are-throwing-a-fit-because-theyre-losing-control-over-the-internet lulzmine
1132023;1431618899;assbot;US Companies Are Throwing a Fit Because They're Losing Control Over the Internet | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1cAqClu )
1132024;1431619187;davout;williamdunne: re ads see log
1132025;1431619215;danielpbarron;>> about how they've been treated unfairly by the International Corporation of Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)  << so not really "the internet" they're losing control over, but the stupid naming system
1132026;1431619483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00028161 = 9.2227 BTC [-]
1132027;1431619528;jurov;you know anyone who really does not use the stupid naming system?
1132028;1431619543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143550 @ 0.00028656 = 41.1357 BTC [+]
1132029;1431619579;danielpbarron;isn't that the goal in here eventually?
1132030;1431619662;jurov;i don't remember any concrete proposal
1132031;1431619711;danielpbarron;the gossipd thing
1132032;1431619782;jurov;but there will certainly be some stupid naming system over it.
1132033;1431619800;jurov;but if you really want to call me BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 ...
1132034;1431620044;jurov;i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion
1132035;1431620291;mod6;In this case, wouldn't you just be called "Juraj Variny (jurov) <rini17@gmail.com>"
1132036;1431620295;mod6;?
1132037;1431621073;jurov;hmm, that's true
1132038;1431621074;ben_vulpes;there's also the urbit style naming convention for keys
1132039;1431621245;jurov;but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name?
1132040;1431621251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89648 @ 0.0002867 = 25.7021 BTC [+] {2} 
1132041;1431621280;ben_vulpes;this assumes the name has any import.
1132042;1431621300;ben_vulpes;"namshub" et al have no import, are just mnemonic devices for remembering the keyids
1132043;1431621313;ben_vulpes;"you wouldn't share a key!" (tm)
1132044;1431621333;jurov;that's neat example for engineers' blind spot for naming
1132045;1431621334;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZm8vNHBSU
1132046;1431621335;assbot;Piracy it's a crime - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FguW4v )
1132047;1431621377;jurov;names have too long history of being bought, sold, stolen or counterfeited to neglect them such
1132048;1431621382;*;ben_vulpes has a blind spot for derp problems in general
1132049;1431621410;davout;jurov: the naming in gossipd is supposed to be local
1132050;1431621449;ben_vulpes; /etc/hosts, basiclolly
1132051;1431621457;davout;pretty much
1132052;1431621509;jurov;so if, say i start doing coinbr support over gossipd, and i transfer it, have to ask everyone to update their /etc/hosts?
1132053;1431621532;ben_vulpes;transfer what - your hosting key?
1132054;1431621536;ben_vulpes;routing key?
1132055;1431621564;jurov;anything! keys cannot be really transferred
1132056;1431621579;jurov;new owner would want completely new keys
1132057;1431621628;mod6;<+jurov> but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name? << then there would be a deed detailing the transfer of the name to a new key fingerprint?
1132058;1431621701;jurov;can't we just use namecoin?
1132059;1431621732;jurov;to be sure everyone has the latest deeds
1132060;1431621863;ben_vulpes;dns is dumb
1132061;1431621878;ben_vulpes;global lookup mapping of names to servers is dumbbbb
1132062;1431621890;ben_vulpes;http://www.razik.com/bikes/ << but this bike is sweet
1132063;1431621892;assbot;Bikes | Razik.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fgw2gS )
1132064;1431622048;mats;that price tag though
1132065;1431622050;mod6;<+jurov> can't we just use namecoin? << yeah, I thought maybe this was addressed in the logs before...
1132066;1431622053;mod6;!s namecoin
1132067;1431622054;assbot;166 results for 'namecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=namecoin
1132068;1431622061;*;mod6 looks
1132069;1431622112;jurov;yes, no one takes it seriously
1132070;1431622241;mod6;aight well, have to check later. bbs.
1132071;1431622350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00028707 = 17.8845 BTC [+]
1132072;1431622374;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132055 <<< neither can reputation, so maybe it's actually a feature
1132073;1431622374;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 16:39:24; jurov: anything! keys cannot be really transferred
1132074;1431622445;jurov;that needs the notion that "all corporations die with their owner" to catch on
1132075;1431622463;davout;ben_vulpes: you call that a bike? that's a bike http://moto-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/1/3/8/3/2/Suzuki_GSX-R_1000_2012_4.jpg
1132076;1431622463;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSrAZH )
1132077;1431622474;kakobrekla;jurov there have been such cases.
1132078;1431622521;jurov;so?
1132079;1431622533;jurov;i wrote "all"
1132080;1431622554;davout;jurov: not all corporations have a single owner
1132081;1431622576;davout;also if the transfer procedure is specified in the initial contract that shouldn't be a problem
1132082;1431622581;ben_vulpes;davout: http://cdn.blessthisstuff.com/imagens/stuff/descricao_ryno_motors_scooter.jpg
1132083;1431622582;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSrSjd )
1132084;1431622602;davout;ben_vulpes: oh god
1132085;1431622672;jurov;how does "initial contract" resolve the problem of transfer without previous owner retaining the key?
1132086;1431622744;davout;you can specify the conditions under which you'd transfer the business to another key
1132087;1431622797;jurov;such as? all copies of previous owner's gpg key to be provably destroyed?
1132088;1431622800;jurov;:D
1132089;1431622902;kakobrekla;such as failing to sign 'ping' in time?
1132090;1431622951;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1132091;1431622997;davout;jurov: well no, owner 1 deedbots "o hey, i'm out, speak to owner 2 starting July 1st 2015, kthxbye"
1132092;1431623007;davout;owner 2 has own key, problem solved
1132093;1431623014;kakobrekla;and if owner 1 dead?
1132094;1431623019;kakobrekla;or in captivity?
1132095;1431623043;davout;well, i guess you're fuxxored unless there was a sensible plan in place
1132096;1431623205;jurov;kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead
1132097;1431623267;davout;jurov: what would be the point?
1132098;1431623301;jurov;better than current "expiration date" mechanism
1132099;1431623314;jurov;(which mp effectively obsoleted)
1132100;1431623418;davout;how did he obsolete it? also key expiration and "dead" flag seem functionally quite different
1132101;1431623427;ascii_field;wai wat
1132102;1431623469;jurov;you usually don't know in advance when a key needs to expire or get invalidated
1132103;1431623500;jurov;and when you try to use this "expiry date" stuff, your mpex account expires,too
1132104;1431623556;jurov;whereby with this "dead" flag you issue non-expiring key and decide what happens and why
1132105;1431623596;davout;you can always extend the expiration date of a key
1132106;1431623602;davout;it's not set in stone
1132107;1431623605;jurov;mpex does not honor that
1132108;1431623624;davout;how do you know?
1132109;1431623636;davout;mpex either speaks GPG or it doesn't
1132110;1431623655;jurov;http://mpex.co/faq.html#18
1132111;1431623671;jurov;i had one time exemption, had to change the key to non-expiring
1132112;1431623909;davout;hmm, if it doesn't update keys you can start with a non expiring one and add the expiration date after opening your acct
1132113;1431624494;ascii_field;something like deedbot for key expirations (and the presently nonexistent but direly necessary expire-for-new-signatures-only) is inevitable
1132114;1431624892;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1132115;1431625173;ascii_field;and yes, the only way to solve the expire-for-new-sigs problem is, likely, to require blockchain turd emission for every single sig, for such a key
1132116;1431625265;danielpbarron;!up warptangent
1132117;1431625304;danielpbarron;warptangent, who are you? (i see you have a key registered but no ratings yet)
1132118;1431625348;danielpbarron;ah, monero guy?
1132119;1431626260;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132033 << the cultural shift is not optional - 'do business with keys.'
1132120;1431626260;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 16:10:00; jurov: but if you really want to call me BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 ...
1132121;1431626272;ascii_field;key can say what it likes to be called, sure
1132122;1431626302;ascii_field;but no one is to be -identified- for purposes of trust by his claimed name, rather than key
1132123;1431626455;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132085 << the machine for transferring things from one key to another is called... blockchain
1132124;1431626455;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 16:57:52; jurov: how does "initial contract" resolve the problem of transfer without previous owner retaining the key?
1132125;1431626497;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132096 << enemy captures keyserver, publishes all keys as 'dead' l0l
1132126;1431626497;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead
1132127;1431626554;jurov;there has to be only one keyserver?
1132128;1431626570;ascii_field;jurov: however many
1132129;1431626576;jurov;and this can be in blockchain, too
1132130;1431626587;ascii_field;if there is a 'key is dead' token that one is relying on some third party to keep secret - it can be captured
1132131;1431626600;jurov;what?
1132132;1431626624;jurov;what third party?
1132133;1431626651;ascii_field;jurov: referring to the 'dead man switch' thread from earlier
1132134;1431626652;jurov;no recent  pings seen in blockchain after $configurabletime = key dead
1132135;1431626690;ascii_field;jurov: when it is dead, how do you prevent folks from signing with it 'backwards in time' backdated to before death ?
1132136;1431626713;ascii_field;as i understand, the only way to do this is to require a blockchain 'ping' with -every- signature
1132137;1431626722;jurov;must sign current merkle tree
1132138;1431626733;jurov;stuff that cannot be predicted in advance
1132139;1431626746;jurov;!up ascii_field
1132140;1431626760;ascii_field;jurov: signing today's tree can be done tomorrow, no ?
1132141;1431626828;jurov;only the tree's date is considered for purposes of dead man's switch, what's the problem with it?
1132142;1431626884;ascii_field;jurov: for the purposes of establishing the time of a particular signature
1132143;1431626887;ascii_field;say key 'died'
1132144;1431626914;ascii_field;how to prevent folks from backdating signatures to when it was alive
1132145;1431626967;jurov;how would it help them?
1132146;1431626982;ascii_field;the whole point of 'expiring' a key is to prevent its use in the future
1132147;1431627004;trinque;ascii_field something like deedbot for key expirations (and the presently nonexistent but direly necessary expire-for-new-signatures-only) is inevitable << could you use a specific message format with the deedbot- as is?
1132148;1431627026;ascii_field;or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor'
1132149;1431627031;trinque;I could also make changes to the thing to accomodate; maybe it rolls over all messages looking for particulars, produces some output every X
1132150;1431627035;jurov;owner signed last merkle hash from a month ago, nothing seen from that key since
1132151;1431627045;jurov;so the consensus is the key is dead
1132152;1431627062;ascii_field;jurov: but what if someone 'unearths' a signature from last year that no one has seen before ?
1132153;1431627079;kakobrekla;ping timeout
1132154;1431627088;jurov;not valid anymore
1132155;1431627096;ascii_field;then useless idiocy
1132156;1431627097;jurov;"shoulda come sooner"
1132157;1431627100;ascii_field;like today's expiration thing
1132158;1431627120;ascii_field;i'm not expiring my signatures retroactively
1132159;1431627123;ascii_field;and no sane person ever will
1132160;1431627128;ascii_field;because it is retarded
1132161;1431627149;ascii_field;but i also want to be able to upgrade keys
1132162;1431627169;jurov;as i wrote, mirce deprecated upgrading keys
1132163;1431627198;ascii_field;this is his greatest error and i'm not afraid to point at it
1132164;1431627223;ascii_field;keys - must be upgradeable. sanely.
1132165;1431627313;ascii_field;(the other thing is, he didn't forbid upgrading keys - simply happens to charge 30 btc for the service)
1132166;1431627616;mats;SciPy talks announced http://scipy2015.scipy.org/ehome/115969/292868/?&
1132167;1431627618;assbot;Accepted Talks & Posters ... ( http://bit.ly/1bSBf2n )
1132168;1431628998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 3400 @ 0.00034038 = 1.1573 BTC [-] {2} 
1132169;1431629162;ben_vulpes;<jurov> mpex does not honor that << davout: i can confirm this
1132170;1431629175;ben_vulpes;it's in the readme, you see.
1132171;1431629215;davout;yup, wasn't sure of whether *proxies* updated keys as opposed to the engine, but i guess that yes, it's pretty plainly written
1132172;1431629967;jurov;the engine did not even had time sync till 20 minute drift was discovered
1132173;1431629984;jurov;mircea's ideal is a schrodinger's box apparently
1132174;1431630198;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla they're the wrong size but yeah, that's the correct solution
1132175;1431630216;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c hey mike! can you make the bitbet banners in 728x90 ?
1132176;1431630216;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1132177;1431630883;mircea_popescu;http://digitalmoneytimes.com/crypto-news/bitcoin-isp-soon-to-be-traded-on-mpex-bitcoin-securities-exchange/ << so who's  JP Buntinx ?
1132178;1431630884;assbot;Bitcoin ISP Soon To Be Traded on MPex Bitcoin Securities Exchange | Digital Money Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjuZyW )
1132179;1431631127;Adlai;"Furthermore, Bitcoin ISP offers no shares servers"... right, mpex serves shares
1132180;1431631128;scoopbot_revived;Williams Pleas Guilty to Debunking Polygraph Pseudoscience http://qntra.net/2015/05/williams-pleas-guilty-to-debunking-polygraph-pseudoscience/
1132181;1431631195;mircea_popescu;Adlai hey, wouldja like to advertise your jdif blog on /pol/ ?
1132182;1431631237;Adlai;pf, /pol/ is my jidf blog
1132183;1431631250;mircea_popescu;lol
1132184;1431631279;mircea_popescu;as time goes by, i get more and more fascinated by the concept of "offended"
1132185;1431631386;mircea_popescu;davout make a paymium banner then!
1132186;1431631658;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132034 << the spec is that you can allocate whatever nicks you wish, LOCALLY.
1132187;1431631658;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 16:14:04; jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion
1132188;1431631669;mircea_popescu;aka decentralized namespace.
1132189;1431631747;mircea_popescu;or in other words, the solution to zooko's triangle is to use the local-global axe on the fucking knot. unique and secure names globally ; memorable locally.
1132190;1431631838;mircea_popescu;(this is exactly how nature does it - as far as it's concerned the namespace is the genotype, as far as you're concerned you just use a nick for the fenotype)
1132191;1431631864;mircea_popescu;spent millenia not even knowing there was a global namespace, perfectly happy.
1132192;1431631903;kakobrekla;http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote
1132193;1431631904;assbot;GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIyQyu )
1132194;1431631916;kakobrekla;check it out, Common Stock - Each GBTC share represents ownership of approximately 0.1 bitcoin
1132195;1431631922;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132066 << it was addressed. derps aren't here.
1132196;1431631922;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 16:47:33; mod6: !s namecoin
1132197;1431631923;kakobrekla;_approximatley_
1132198;1431631955;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that's how the new garrs and nefarios and gigavps and etc run the same old scam. "it COULD be 11btc each. YOU HAVE NO PROOF IT ISNT"
1132199;1431631965;mircea_popescu;etc etc, 2012 all over again in a new tardstalk.
1132200;1431632018;kakobrekla;> Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time.
1132201;1431632045;kakobrekla;hold till moon, err i mean zero.
1132202;1431632067;mircea_popescu;right ?
1132203;1431632067;scoopbot_revived;Nature vie avec jeune fille http://trilema.com/2015/nature-vie-avec-jeune-fille/
1132204;1431632098;mircea_popescu;!rate silbert -1 Arrogantly ignorant twerp, de facto scammer through it.
1132205;1431632098;assbot;silbert is not registered in WoT.
1132206;1431632104;mircea_popescu;color me surprised.
1132207;1431632366;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1132208;1431632540;*;ascii_field realized that one could, in principle, microfabricate logical circuits made of magnetic amplifiers (as seen in well-known 'сетунь' trinary computer)
1132209;1431632582;ascii_field;no silicon, or doping thereof, required.
1132210;1431632601;ascii_field;machine then is made entirely of classically conductive material.
1132211;1431632615;ascii_field;(and insulators, such as air)
1132212;1431632649;mircea_popescu;could this be printed ?
1132213;1431632652;*;Adlai notes that JP "Morgan" Buntix left out the customer qualification criterion
1132214;1431632655;mircea_popescu;(with modified printer, not plastic obv)
1132215;1431632665;ascii_field;printed, etched, photolithographed, ...
1132216;1431632676;ascii_field;stamped
1132217;1431632685;ascii_field;lasered
1132218;1431632690;ascii_field;pick favourite.
1132219;1431632706;Adlai;laser etched :)
1132220;1431632710;mircea_popescu;ah lasered
1132221;1431632718;Adlai;hand carved!
1132222;1431632733;mircea_popescu;actually - lasered into a chunk of uranium, so that selected atoms turn into gas.
1132223;1431632761;ascii_field;wat
1132224;1431632775;decimation;ascii_field: did you see that ibm has licensed third parties to produce 'power8' servers?
1132225;1431632782;decimation;I think tyan is coming out with a mobo soon
1132226;1431632786;ascii_field;decimation: no, and can't imagine why i'd care
1132227;1431632795;decimation;non-intel cpu
1132228;1431632802;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you have a discrete cristalline lattice of U, selected nodes get energized to the point they split, creating Xe
1132229;1431632803;ascii_field;still usg turdware
1132230;1431632814;decimation;yeah, but possibly better designed
1132231;1431632820;decimation;supposedly ibm open sourced the full specs
1132232;1431632846;decimation;http://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/10/08/tyan-ships-first-non-ibm-power8-server/
1132233;1431632849;assbot;Tyan Ships First Non-IBM Power8 Server ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIBfcz )
1132234;1431632849;jurov;wat, etching with neutron beam?
1132235;1431632866;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how do you propose to deliver neutrons selectively where you want it to pop ?
1132236;1431632874;mircea_popescu;jurov ayup.
1132237;1431632886;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, tachyons for all i care.
1132238;1431632939;ascii_field;U fissions either by itself, or not at all, or when neutronned at
1132239;1431632939;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i don't propose how. i propose what.
1132240;1431632954;mircea_popescu;division of labour!
1132241;1431632962;ascii_field;otherwise we're flying airplane powered by my farts. (i can also 'propose what, not how' l0l)
1132242;1431632975;mircea_popescu;lol
1132243;1431633075;jurov;or build schodinger boxes (with trade engine instead of cat within)
1132244;1431633297;jurov;iirc i have some pending withdrawal out of said box, mircea_popescu
1132245;1431633316;mircea_popescu;eh ?
1132246;1431633332;ascii_field;http://www.pmillett.com/tubebooks/Books/mag_amp.pdf
1132247;1431633336;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1EICtVd )
1132248;1431633336;mircea_popescu;til mpex has withdrawals too
1132249;1431633336;ascii_field;^ ancient scan
1132250;1431633443;ascii_field;basic idea is a transformer whose output varies, given as a second (or more) circuit gets to saturate (or not) its core.
1132251;1431633467;ascii_field;-not-, pointedly, a relay - there is no mechanical motion or wear
1132252;1431633574;jurov;interesting. but does it work at high freq?
1132253;1431633579;ascii_field;no.
1132254;1431633611;ascii_field;well, nothing approaching transistor
1132255;1431633618;ascii_field;(which was created for a reason)
1132256;1431633656;ascii_field;(magnetic amps long pre-date semiconductors. nazis used them in subs, rockets, for instance)
1132257;1431634021;mircea_popescu;!up joshc
1132258;1431634191;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1132259;1431634323;jurov;http://imgur.com/t11sbfh :)
1132260;1431634323;assbot;                                        Oh The Irony - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1A40cDD )
1132261;1431634350;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1132262;1431634356;ascii_field;l0l
1132263;1431634472;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132200 <<< whiskey tango foxtrot, seriously
1132264;1431634472;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 19:33:38; kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time.
1132265;1431634500;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132185 <<< alrighty
1132266;1431634500;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 19:23:06; mircea_popescu: davout make a paymium banner then!
1132267;1431634549;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132093 << not the real problem. what if owner 1 then comes back, covertly.
1132268;1431634549;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 17:03:34; kakobrekla: and if owner 1 dead?
1132269;1431634605;kakobrekla;i dont belive in resurrection
1132270;1431634670;davout;what if you incorrectly believe in death
1132271;1431634681;mircea_popescu;owner 2 can always repudiate future signatures on the grounds that "it wasn't really me"
1132272;1431634862;Adlai;!mpif
1132273;1431634863;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1132274;1431634883;Adlai;mircea_popescu: how'd you like to open another PC?
1132275;1431634905;*;Adlai heard there's still coin burning holes in that pocket
1132276;1431634964;mircea_popescu;i recall we discussed this and it closed.
1132277;1431634994;*;Adlai is not talking about fiat trading
1132278;1431635046;Adlai;although there is some common ground between fiat and what i'm talking about, which is: neither of them "exist"
1132279;1431635078;Adlai;http://joinmarket.io/
1132280;1431635079;assbot;JoinMarket Browser Interface ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIHXPE )
1132281;1431635744;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132096 << nah
1132282;1431635744;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead
1132283;1431635793;mircea_popescu;keys never expire. the meaning you give them may expire, and that's entirely your own personal problem. but otherwise, once found, the integers are there and can be multiplied.
1132284;1431636045;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1132285;1431636079;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132108 << because it doesn't update keys.
1132286;1431636079;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 17:13:44; davout: how do you know?
1132287;1431636197;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132130 << the "key deadness" as somehow a part of the key itself, is not only conceptually ridiculous but practically unimplementable. forget it, it's about as relevant to gpg as "the gnu foundation"
1132288;1431636197;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 18:03:07; ascii_field: if there is a 'key is dead' token that one is relying on some third party to keep secret - it can be captured
1132289;1431636201;jurov;so, in 10 years 4096bit keys will stand in danger of cracking, what do you do? force everyone to pay 20-30btc again?
1132290;1431636202;mircea_popescu;historical accident.
1132291;1431636210;mircea_popescu;jurov absolutely.
1132292;1431636220;ascii_field;one could picture a few 'cheats.' consider one: key, when promulgated, contains a large but finite set of values Q such that hash(hash(...(P)...) = Q, while P are retained as private. every signature must contain a unique Q from this set. when it is time to retire the key, you spend the remaining 'bullets' all at once.
1132293;1431636292;mircea_popescu;ascii_field makes keys too big, doesn't actually offer anything other than the equivalent "at key promulgation, use it to sing a list of nonces, with understanding that statements w/io the nonce are void", let wot enforce this.
1132294;1431636300;mircea_popescu;which in turn reduces to cargo-cultish supersecurity.
1132295;1431636313;mircea_popescu;"oh, i encrypted this TWICE, it's much harder now!"
1132296;1431636326;ascii_field;one cannot claim the same degree of 'hardness' for this as for the actual rsa, correct
1132297;1431636355;mircea_popescu;there are some things that don't need fixing. what needs fixing re gpg is to use rsa throughout, rather than the current lulzatron.
1132298;1431636356;ascii_field;but there -must- be a way to proclaim, with all the certainty that can be mustered, the fact that 'i signed with this before but -never intend to again-'
1132299;1431636378;mircea_popescu;intentions need not be nor can they be part of signed matter.
1132300;1431636379;ascii_field;and have this cemented in blockchain, on babylonian stone plinths, wherever
1132301;1431636394;mircea_popescu;people have a way of coming to odds with their intentions
1132302;1431636402;ascii_field;fuck'em
1132303;1431636404;mircea_popescu;without human mediation, this is more of the "smart contracts" coolaid.
1132304;1431636451;ascii_field;we have technology that can, with some certainty, prove that i did something at a certain moment in epoch time, plus or minus ten minutes
1132305;1431636462;ascii_field;this plus rsa is good enough to sig-only-revoke.
1132306;1431636472;ascii_field;(the tech is called bitcoin)
1132307;1431636516;mircea_popescu;you have a comment field in the keys as they are now. put in there "This key not valid after block 175552"
1132308;1431636558;ascii_field;merely suggesting a machine-readable standard for this, yes.
1132309;1431636582;ascii_field;without the current idiotic retroactive cancellation of signatures
1132310;1431636593;mircea_popescu;i do not belive machines should have any imperium over valid keys.
1132311;1431636603;ascii_field;more of warning-light than imperium
1132312;1431636621;mircea_popescu;it's what they say.
1132313;1431636638;ascii_field;not that extant gpg honors expiration dates, to virtually everybody's great annoyance
1132314;1431636649;ascii_field;*note that
1132315;1431636658;mircea_popescu;i think the NOTION of expiration dates is broken.
1132316;1431636670;mircea_popescu;you can't un-discover some integers in a certan mathematical relation.
1132317;1431636680;ascii_field;it is only broken because it mixes abstraction-hardness levels, yes
1132318;1431636687;ascii_field;remember the 'what colour are your bits' article.
1132319;1431636691;mircea_popescu;right.
1132320;1431636696;mircea_popescu;very much along the lines of that.
1132321;1431636706;ascii_field;they cannot be undiscovered, yes. and don't have a baked-in temporal peg
1132322;1431636717;mircea_popescu;so, the key is there. how do you COLOR it, that's your job.
1132323;1431636778;ascii_field;pegging temporality requires some kind of agreement on mechanism
1132324;1431636796;ascii_field;otherwise you get disputes and wankery where there should be 2+2 certainty.
1132325;1431636808;mircea_popescu;there is necessarily not going to be 2+2 wankery.
1132326;1431636814;mircea_popescu;i mean certainty
1132327;1431636836;ascii_field;aha. but whatever approximation is physically possible, with clearly stated limits, ought to be achieved.
1132328;1431636854;mircea_popescu;what are you, from the gui department ?
1132329;1431636860;ascii_field;just as digital computer, theoretically, does not exist. but the approximation we use is 'almost same'
1132330;1431636880;ascii_field;i'm from the shit that actually works within physical limits dept.
1132331;1431636889;mircea_popescu;ah, but mind that there's no in principle reason a computer might not exist.
1132332;1431636928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177350 @ 0.00028593 = 50.7097 BTC [-] {3} 
1132333;1431636980;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132148 << a simple solution to this being, of course, just making a deed.
1132334;1431636980;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 18:10:26; ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor'
1132335;1431637011;trinque;and nobody's stopping anyone from signing some JSON or what have you
1132336;1431637020;mircea_popescu;My new key is X, use of Y key past this point is unsupported. Signed by Y.
1132337;1431637038;ascii_field;this oughta be machine-readable.
1132338;1431637047;mircea_popescu;as per trinque above.
1132339;1431637065;mircea_popescu;and it specifically should be 'unsupported'. For all you know a key ends up rediscovered five billion years later.
1132340;1431637586;jurov;yeah, cthulhu appears and says you rediscovered his 5bn old key which he proclaimed expired long ago
1132341;1431637649;mircea_popescu;lol
1132342;1431637702;trinque;so you could publish some schema for representing this and arbitrarily other such statements into the deedbot
1132343;1431637718;trinque;then make reference to that deed when you use that schema later down the way
1132344;1431637749;trinque;to me these are actually the most interesting use cases of the thing
1132345;1431638513;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132163 << eh, i deprecated upgrading keys like i deprecating getting new suits.
1132346;1431638513;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 18:13:18; ascii_field: this is his greatest error and i'm not afraid to point at it
1132347;1431638525;mircea_popescu;go into the shop get a new one made, what. you want to turn the old one in for a new one ?
1132348;1431638530;mircea_popescu;what is this, the army ?
1132349;1431638650;jurov;does the bank stops you from accessing your account when you get new suit?
1132350;1431638725;BingoBoingo;It does if new suit includes ski mask
1132351;1431638746;mircea_popescu;if it's any good, yes.
1132352;1431638752;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, make some qntra banners ?
1132353;1431638765;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure
1132354;1431638775;mircea_popescu;;;seen nubbins
1132355;1431638775;gribble;nubbins was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <nubbins> any messages, gribs?
1132356;1431638777;mircea_popescu;;;seen nubbins`
1132357;1431638777;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <nubbins`> bbl doing things
1132358;1431638782;jurov;we're talking about upgrading gpg keys according to known protocol, not some ski masks
1132359;1431638795;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` yo nooblet, make a pink eyes banner ? :D
1132360;1431638795;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1132361;1431638839;mircea_popescu;jurov we're talking about this situation where the total number of keys mpex charges for is = to the maximal number of keys ever used. that is not happening.
1132362;1431638884;jurov;no it will inevitably be less
1132363;1431638890;mircea_popescu;heh
1132364;1431638904;mircea_popescu;ever used simultaneously*
1132365;1431639051;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1132366;1431639064;ascii_field;used simultaneously ?
1132367;1431639074;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1132368;1431639132;ascii_field;this is... 7th time? we had the 'mpex discourages key upgrade' thread ?
1132369;1431639139;mircea_popescu;if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours.
1132370;1431639158;mircea_popescu;mpex does not discourage anything. mpex charges, because mpex is a business.
1132371;1431639207;ascii_field;aha, to upgrade key, mircea_popescu has to take a прогресс м-27м to orbit, and unscrew the old one, then retro-thruster and parachute capsule back to b-a
1132372;1431639215;ascii_field;this costs approximately 30 btc.
1132373;1431639254;mircea_popescu;keys are identities. identities have to qualify themselves. the qualification happens to be pay 30 btc.
1132374;1431639259;mircea_popescu;i don't happen to care who your daddy is.
1132375;1431639262;jurov;it's a racket yo
1132376;1431639267;mircea_popescu;im that democratic.
1132377;1431639280;ascii_field;mircea_popescu can charge 3000 btc if he likes, sure
1132378;1431639316;mircea_popescu;but i do suspect i should increase it.
1132379;1431639330;mircea_popescu;btc is way too cheap anyway.
1132380;1431639344;*;mircea_popescu is off to ponder this idea.
1132381;1431639390;ascii_field;aha too cheap. lusers like asciilifeform can almost afford 30
1132382;1431639425;jurov;mp is the only one to qualify being on mpex, didn't you know?
1132383;1431639438;ascii_field;it's his widget.
1132384;1431639470;ascii_field;how many zeros to weld on to the price, his business
1132385;1431639490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119500 @ 0.00028161 = 33.6524 BTC [-]
1132386;1431639490;jurov;no, go on, annoy him
1132387;1431639510;jurov;if he adds several zeros, perhaps coinbr will see some volume after all
1132388;1431639525;ascii_field;or some competition, l0l
1132389;1431639590;jurov;they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api
1132390;1431639625;ascii_field;jurov: i thought the gnarly api was part of the 'bozo filter' just as the price was
1132391;1431639658;jurov;yes and building something over it is yet another level
1132392;1431639728;jurov;i suspect boilers will have much better ROI than another honest broker
1132393;1431639748;ascii_field;better roi until pop, aha
1132394;1431639845;ascii_field;i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key to not be a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?)
1132395;1431639852;ascii_field;perhaps when he wakes up again, will tell
1132396;1431639907;jurov;it's not set into stone, you know
1132397;1431639919;ascii_field;?
1132398;1431639938;jurov;he's born into wrong time, prolly wants to build a pyramid
1132399;1431639977;ben_vulpes;<ascii_field> well, nothing approaching transistor << what sorta frequencies *did* work?
1132400;1431639988;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: a few khz
1132401;1431639992;jurov;stone carving just are not upgraded
1132402;1431640004;jurov;*carvings
1132403;1431640020;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: i suspect this can be pushed up as the transformer cores are made smaller and coils themselves shorter (less inductive)
1132404;1431640031;ben_vulpes;mhm
1132405;1431640049;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_logic says 1MHz
1132406;1431640050;assbot;Magnetic logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5TudA )
1132407;1431640050;ascii_field;in the miniature version i suggested, performance may well edge into overlap with the worst silicon
1132408;1431640103;ascii_field;jurov: magnetic logic as described in the literature mostly 'cheated' by including a diode with each gate
1132409;1431640117;ascii_field;(read scan from earlier to learn why)
1132410;1431640190;davout;meanwhile, http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/ leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD
1132411;1431640190;assbot;Domain Error · Ghost ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5THgG )
1132412;1431640198;ascii_field;in the hypothetical machine, we cannot have the diode.
1132413;1431640211;ascii_field;waat
1132414;1431640285;ben_vulpes;<jurov> they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api << ah, it's not that bad, just write a parser for the variety-speaking ad-hoc blublang
1132415;1431640295;ben_vulpes;ragel's sitting right over there, etc
1132416;1431640317;jurov;ben_vulpes: if you followed my adventures, i have got parser for $30 from romanian student
1132417;1431640330;ben_vulpes;(for the uninitiated: i'm being very sarcastic)
1132418;1431640333;jurov;it was the rest that took half a year
1132419;1431640364;ben_vulpes;do you do a stat before and after placing every order?
1132420;1431640373;ben_vulpes;actually you know what?
1132421;1431640385;ben_vulpes;i don't feel like loading the MPEx api into my head today.
1132422;1431640395;ascii_field;funnily, i still have it in my head
1132423;1431640423;jurov;ben_vulpes: no, that is not necessary :)
1132424;1431640447;ascii_field;(from phree demo in late 2012)
1132425;1431640468;jurov;but you still have the account?
1132426;1431640471;ascii_field;no
1132427;1431640473;ascii_field;it was a demo
1132428;1431640489;jurov;but beta accounts are still fully functional!
1132429;1431640493;jurov;i have one
1132430;1431640497;ascii_field;it wasn't an early beta, it was a demo just for me
1132431;1431640507;ascii_field;mircea_popescu even gave me a 1 btc to drive it with
1132432;1431640510;jurov;l0l
1132433;1431640512;ascii_field;which i later gave him back
1132434;1431640534;ascii_field;(actually ~1.4 that it turned into)
1132435;1431640557;ascii_field;that demo was actually my first contact with mircea_popescu
1132436;1431640574;jurov;you did not keep 0.4 funbux?
1132437;1431640575;ascii_field;(initially, just with hanbot)
1132438;1431640634;ascii_field;jurov: nope. ( https://blockchain.info/address/1LBimqMN5ftYgfQthcrBpqPDpC4H3c2w7o )
1132439;1431640634;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1LBimqMN5ftYgfQthcrBpqPDpC4H3c2w7o ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5UbU9 )
1132440;1431640641;jurov;or you traded hanbot out of 0.4 funbux and then gave them to mircea instead?
1132441;1431640648;jurov;:DDDD
1132442;1431640677;ascii_field;l0l
1132443;1431640740;ascii_field;(ancient post, where i described why did this: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1139 )
1132444;1431640742;assbot;Loper OS » Bitcoin Adventures. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5UhuQ )
1132445;1431640802;jurov;yes i remember
1132446;1431640825;ascii_field;but answer is no, it wasn't a proper beta account, it was a one-off demo that dissolved in ~month
1132447;1431640982;jurov;1up ascii_field
1132448;1431640987;jurov;!up ascii_field
1132449;1431641563;ascii_field;unrelated: http://gfycat.com/ImpracticalEducatedGraywolf
1132450;1431641564;assbot;                DirtyMasseur - Noelle Easton - Gfycat     ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5VmD1 )
1132451;1431642612;cazalla;much better than the grainy tumblr shit someone else links :)
1132452;1431643609;BingoBoingo;http://gardenrant.com/2015/05/the-compostable-cup-trials.html << lol envirofraud
1132453;1431643611;assbot;The Compostable Cup Trials | Garden Rant ... ( http://bit.ly/1bT5k1V )
1132454;1431643999;decimation;re: pay 30 btc to upgrade mpex keys < does this mean that if you can crack an mpex key you get to use it?
1132455;1431644017;decimation;so when 4096 bit keys become crackable - unlimited phree accounts?
1132456;1431644365;cazalla;BingoBoingo, not cups but i vaguely remember about 25 years ago that they did a big song and dance about biodegradable plastic bags here down under and how they would be phased in and the old ones phased out, yet to this day they still carry on about plastic bags
1132457;1431644384;cazalla;nice gardening blog btw, ty for link
1132458;1431644415;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Ironically I stumbled into it looking for ways to kill certain unwelcome plants
1132459;1431644980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152362 @ 0.00028427 = 43.3119 BTC [+] {2} 
1132460;1431646444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64938 @ 0.0002838 = 18.4294 BTC [-] {2} 
1132461;1431647359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75753 @ 0.00027199 = 20.6041 BTC [-] {2} 
1132462;1431647420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76605 @ 0.00026671 = 20.4313 BTC [-]
1132463;1431648330;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132454 << how could the answer possibly be anything other than yes ?
1132464;1431648330;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 22:53:19; decimation: re: pay 30 btc to upgrade mpex keys < does this mean that if you can crack an mpex key you get to use it?
1132465;1431648976;williamdunne;!gettrust mjr
1132466;1431648976;assbot;mjr is not registered in WoT.
1132467;1431649029;williamdunne;!gettrust Josh_rossi
1132468;1431649029;assbot;Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Josh_rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Josh_rossi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Josh_rossi/
1132469;1431649121;williamdunne;!rate josh_rossi 2 maecenas, finex
1132470;1431649121;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/04c2c540beaf5070
1132471;1431649141;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.josh_rossi.2:9dafb7ad24b85513992ba08077a5a6ec34e3fc49dda883a79871ff4fb09cb711
1132472;1431649141;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for josh_rossi with note: maecenas, finex
1132473;1431649927;asciilifeform;http://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/afips/1959/5055/00/50550028.pdf
1132474;1431649931;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B0dNqD )
1132475;1431649944;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly, nothing i said today is actually new
1132476;1431649991;asciilifeform;'deposited magnetic films as logic elements.' (proceedings of the eastern joint computer conference, 1959. franck, marette, & parsegyan.)
1132477;1431650099;asciilifeform;the key boojum missing from all of this work is: a likewise purely-magnetic means of arbitrarily altering the -interconnects- between elements.
1132478;1431650139;asciilifeform;(then you get: 'fpga' which doesn't give a damn about radiation, can be fabricated with 1940s equipment, etc)
1132479;1431650215;asciilifeform;http://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/afips/1959/5055/00/50550038.pdf << also interesting, re: 'microwave logic'
1132480;1431650218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B0e8JY )
1132481;1431650222;asciilifeform;(from same period)
1132482;1431650301;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^^
1132483;1431650382;williamdunne;!s Josh_rossi
1132484;1431650383;assbot;47 results for 'Josh_rossi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Josh_rossi
1132485;1431650386;asciilifeform;http://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/afips/index.html << interestingly, they stopped holding this conference in '87. which closely, if approximately, lines up with 'when computers stopped being interesting'
1132486;1431650387;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1B0efVI )
1132487;1431651046;asciilifeform;http://www.sri.com/work/timeline-innovation/timeline.php?timeline=computing-digital#&innovation=all-magnetic-logic-computer
1132488;1431651047;assbot;SRI International ... ( http://bit.ly/1B0eWyj )
1132489;1431651906;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --marker buttstamp
1132490;1431651906;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
1132491;1431651916;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttstamp
1132492;1431651917;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.05, Best ask: 237.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 237.24, 24 hour volume: 7543.17628662, 24 hour low: 232.22, 24 hour high: 239.7, 24 hour vwap: 236.767276015
1132493;1431652433;asciilifeform;http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/history/the-great-lightbulb-conspiracy << unrelated, historical interest
1132494;1431652435;assbot;The Great Lightbulb Conspiracy - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1B0g3OD )
1132495;1431652951;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have a fixture which disagrees with CFLS. Since the bulbocaust my stock is depleting rapidly as bulbs that once lasted years only now last months
1132496;1431653143;asciilifeform;outdoor?
1132497;1431653290;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indoor, shares a circuit with a dimmer switch
1132498;1431653319;asciilifeform;tried led 'bulb' ?
1132499;1431653418;BingoBoingo;Not yet. May guve that a try if I pick up LEDs before this batch dies. Was considering LED bulbs for an outdoor fixture, but witing on outdoor fixture's bulb to die first because it hates human contact.
1132500;1431653514;Namworld;Ok, it's been a while
1132501;1431653525;Namworld;Hello everyone
1132502;1431653754;trinque;hello Namworld
1132503;1431653759;trinque;!up Asenath
1132504;1431653947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260300 @ 0.0002806 = 73.0402 BTC [+] {2} 
1132505;1431654458;asciilifeform;local l0ltr0n: last week, university of maryland proclaimed that it will charge higher tuition price to students majoring in business, engineering, and comp. sci.
1132506;1431654470;asciilifeform;(no prizes for guessing why)
1132507;1431654679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75400 @ 0.00028063 = 21.1595 BTC [+]
1132508;1431654820;trinque;asciilifeform: you should give me a prize if I guess wrong
1132509;1431654823;trinque;it's only fair
1132510;1431655228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52000 @ 0.00027719 = 14.4139 BTC [-]
1132511;1431656623;cazalla;australia no longer safe for americans lol http://dpaste.com/3Z2FFHP.txt
1132512;1431656624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1bTpqsP )
1132513;1431656711;decimation;asciilifeform: usg friendly 'liberal' majors are subsidized, of course
1132514;1431656940;decimation;asciilifeform: apparently it's mp's position that an mpex seat is implicitly time limited
1132515;1431657984;mircea_popescu;how goes Namworld
1132516;1431658303;mircea_popescu;derp on trilema offers "military campaigns" as example of plans that worked (tm)
1132517;1431658322;mircea_popescu;the crowdsourced internet, putting pro comics out of business since september 1993
1132518;1431658350;williamdunne;riiighhhtttt
1132519;1431658503;decimation;mircea_popescu: sure!  bombing libya was an example of a brilliant plan to shepard the outbreak of love and democracy, not throwing matches at a barrel of petrol
1132520;1431658737;williamdunne;A mouthful of freedom; http://38.media.tumblr.com/88b077e9cd05d5b539bfebc783d3627e/tumblr_n9tskosimG1r7e6duo2_400.gif
1132521;1431658739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5bYyt )
1132522;1431658825;mircea_popescu;decimation yeah totally. meanwhile the brilliant plan tostop supporting israel has resulted in an israel that could no longerr pull off the halfweek war, thus the arabs are no longer affraid of it, thus saudi arabia has no further need for the us alliance, thus they're trashing it.
1132523;1431658858;mircea_popescu;brilliant plan, brilliantly executed. meanwhile, the chinese go to putin's victory celebration, the us press derps about how the european heads of "states" missed the opportunity to be relevant.
1132524;1431658869;mircea_popescu;obama holds an arab world summit, nobody goes, us press is all quiet on THAT score.
1132525;1431658925;williamdunne;Haven't heard about that one, what should I be googling?
1132526;1431658925;decimation;yeah that's a good point.  apparently the arabs are not happy that the us intends to proxy iran instead of them
1132527;1431658933;menahem;williamdunne ahh i love #b-a.. all the right reminders. :)
1132528;1431658965;decimation;http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/barack-obama-flubs-name-of-first-saudi-king-117945.html
1132529;1431658967;assbot;Whoops: Obama flubs name of first Saudi king - Nick Gass - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5cEnM )
1132530;1431658990;mircea_popescu;williamdunne http://nypost.com/2015/05/11/obamas-lonely-arab-summit/ say.
1132531;1431658991;assbot;Obama’s lonely ‘Arab Summit’ | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5cJHV )
1132532;1431659021;mircea_popescu;or i guess www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32694184
1132533;1431659051;williamdunne;>Even the offer by Obama of a separate tete-a-tete in Washington could not persuade Saudi Arabia’s King Salman to attend what Riyadh sources describe as “a photo-op” aimed at hoodwinking the American public.
1132534;1431659051;williamdunne;rekt
1132535;1431659074;decimation;basically the us stole saudi arabia's oil from the british - which is the foundation of us power in the middle east for the past 70 years.  obama apparently is ignorant of this history
1132536;1431659105;trinque;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-promises-to-match-iran-in-nuclear-capability.html?_r=0
1132537;1431659107;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5d9xT )
1132538;1431659371;trinque;let 'em nuke each other
1132539;1431659742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32220 @ 0.00028063 = 9.0419 BTC [+]
1132540;1431659925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.00028456 = 16.2057 BTC [+] {2} 
1132541;1431660747;mircea_popescu;mats went to check out the courts article, seems there's quite a bit left to go before i can close & award it. http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#selection-317.0-325.66
1132542;1431660748;assbot;So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5hSzT )
1132543;1431660813;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132514 << this appears to be an inescapable inference, yes
1132544;1431660813;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 02:29:00; decimation: asciilifeform: apparently it's mp's position that an mpex seat is implicitly time limited
1132545;1431660814;scoopbot_revived;New MPEx fee http://trilema.com/2015/new-mpex-fee/
1132546;1431660819;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132398 << lol teh haet.
1132547;1431660819;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 21:45:38; jurov: he's born into wrong time, prolly wants to build a pyramid
1132548;1431660844;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132394 << not a question of "logical continuation". are children the "logical continuation" of their parents ? are they still required to pass the bacalaureat ?
1132549;1431660844;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 21:44:05; ascii_field: i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key to not be a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?)
1132550;1431660894;williamdunne;>It was recently brought to my attention that yes, the MPEx fee for registering new accounts is still 30 BTC.
1132551;1431660895;williamdunne;lawl
1132552;1431660899;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132410 << SCANDAL!11 mod6 ? ben_vulpes ?
1132553;1431660899;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 21:49:50; davout: meanwhile, http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/ leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD
1132554;1431660935;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is ludicrous sophistry and you know it. if i sign key y with key x, it is proof that i hold key x. nothing to do with parents or children, no analogy here.
1132555;1431660961;mircea_popescu;it's no such proof. it's proof that you are willing to allow the holder of key y to continue in your stead.
1132556;1431660965;mircea_popescu;no requirement he be you.
1132557;1431661037;decimation;meanwhile, hacker h will one day cuckold key y
1132558;1431661037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so this is mainly to discourage reselling account ?
1132559;1431661074;mircea_popescu;well in practice it seems it's mainly to drive people up the wall.
1132560;1431661091;mircea_popescu;but anyway : it's not to anything. it's because.
1132561;1431661105;*;asciilifeform is wondering what mpex seat will cost by the time he actually needs it
1132562;1431661119;mircea_popescu;gotta keep lyfe interesting for people.
1132563;1431661162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, what is to keep it from costing X, where X is whatever s.nsa is worth at that time ?
1132564;1431661190;mircea_popescu;lmao
1132565;1431661196;mircea_popescu;!t m s.nsa
1132566;1431661196;assbot;[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.00009001 / 0.00009843 / 0.00009851 (121000 shares, 11.91 BTC)
1132567;1431661211;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Wouldn't it serve the opposite purpose, and encourage account reselling?
1132568;1431661219;asciilifeform;no relation to extant numbers. but serious question.
1132569;1431661226;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4737075 * 0.00009843
1132570;1431661226;gribble;466.27029225
1132571;1431661232;mircea_popescu;omfg stop bitching privilege boy!
1132572;1431661239;asciilifeform;regardless of what is bought and sold by s.nsa, i can't eat any of it unless i buy mpex ticket.
1132573;1431661239;mircea_popescu;what is that, like 70% yours ?
1132574;1431661257;asciilifeform;which presently costs about what my organs are worth
1132575;1431661276;mircea_popescu;your organs are worth 10k ?
1132576;1431661283;mircea_popescu;what do you take yourself for, a 16yo girl ?
1132577;1431661292;williamdunne;asciilifeform: If you find a decent buyer, I'll give you 10% commission on a kidney.
1132578;1431661297;mircea_popescu;no value in organs of old men!
1132579;1431661301;asciilifeform;if correctly parcelled out and sold to americans, they could be worth 10k.
1132580;1431661343;asciilifeform;but mainly taken in proverbial 'organs worth' sense of 'more money than i ever expect to touch at one time'
1132581;1431661361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you recall the entire warrants business btw ?
1132582;1431661363;asciilifeform;aha
1132583;1431661374;mircea_popescu;that's what, another ~350 ish
1132584;1431661389;mircea_popescu;better start saving!
1132585;1431661398;asciilifeform;l0l saving.
1132586;1431661450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00028599 = 14.9859 BTC [+] {2} 
1132587;1431661461;mircea_popescu;anyway, here's some rosy glasses for you :
1132588;1431661578;mircea_popescu;suppose within the year cardano proves such a success s.nsa trades ~0.00020000 like s.bbet. at that point, your 70% share of the stock will be worth 663.1905 ; your warrants like another 663.1904. if btc is 1.2k at that point again, you're now worth a million and a half in benjies
1132589;1431661595;mircea_popescu;ima make sure the mpex fee is 1.250 mn or so at that point :D
1132590;1431661600;asciilifeform;which can turn into 0 when mircea_popescu resets the price of mpex ticket to equal 663.1905
1132591;1431661610;asciilifeform;aha.
1132592;1431661619;mircea_popescu;yeah but at least you had fun.
1132593;1431661623;mircea_popescu;better than vegas eh.
1132594;1431661656;williamdunne;Can't you access warrants and the similar through coinbr?
1132595;1431661658;mircea_popescu;(i also fucked up the math, warrants only worth like 330)
1132596;1431661662;asciilifeform;williamdunne: i will not use coinbr.
1132597;1431661666;mircea_popescu;williamdunne of course he can.
1132598;1431661668;asciilifeform;williamdunne: because wtf decay
1132599;1431661693;mircea_popescu;he can access them via otc, for that matter, just sell em to someone. but it makes little sense before share goes over par.
1132600;1431661724;asciilifeform;williamdunne: i couldn't use coinbr even if wanted to, because it would be a recurring btc cost and i have no btc-denominated income stream.
1132601;1431661745;williamdunne;Ah ok, fair nuff
1132602;1431661768;mircea_popescu;well... you could start polyamory-ing, and then getting a new girl each week and then tricking her into having her picture taken with weird numbers written on her chest.
1132603;1431661770;mircea_popescu;.4 a month.
1132604;1431661787;mircea_popescu;should cover coinbr
1132605;1431661800;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i could also visit buenos aires via fart propulsion and wings made from garbage bags.
1132606;1431661813;asciilifeform;just as theoretically possible.
1132607;1431661840;mircea_popescu;what do you think this is, a gilliam movie ?
1132608;1431661841;decimation;I donno, how much energy can you extract from one colon's gas?
1132609;1431661859;asciilifeform;decimation: the same amount of girl pickup energy i have
1132610;1431661869;decimation;heh
1132611;1431661875;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so buy a club.
1132612;1431661884;asciilifeform;l0l
1132613;1431661905;mircea_popescu;(one of my favourite jokes long ago. because i knew this ugly obnoxious dude who was kinda rape-y, and also kept buying clubs, as in, bars with music.)
1132614;1431661906;asciilifeform;'do you believe in clubs for young people?' 'yes, but one ought to try kindness first'
1132615;1431661947;williamdunne;!s cardano cost
1132616;1431661948;assbot;1 results for 'cardano cost' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+cost
1132617;1431661956;mircea_popescu;"one fart-meter"
1132618;1431661964;asciilifeform;williamdunne: cost will inescapably have to adjust to exchange rate at time of mass production
1132619;1431661983;asciilifeform;williamdunne: component costs are denominated in usd and will likely be long after i'm dead
1132620;1431662000;williamdunne;Thats fine, USD prices are k by me
1132621;1431662002;mircea_popescu;give up meat, live longer!
1132622;1431662008;williamdunne;!s cardano price
1132623;1431662009;assbot;1 results for 'cardano price' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano+price
1132624;1431662013;asciilifeform;give up live, meat longer
1132625;1431662019;mircea_popescu;lol
1132626;1431662141;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132434 << yeah srsly, one of the best private chuckles for ... well, for some people
1132627;1431662141;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 21:55:34; ascii_field: (actually ~1.4 that it turned into)
1132628;1431662151;mircea_popescu;is that alf actually beats a lot of "professional" managers
1132629;1431662160;asciilifeform;l0l
1132630;1431662165;mircea_popescu;sorta informal "alf benchmark"
1132631;1431662171;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you do recall what it was i bought with it, aha?
1132632;1431662182;mircea_popescu;notrly
1132633;1431662220;asciilifeform;mpoe & dice
1132634;1431662223;mircea_popescu;heh
1132635;1431662268;decimation;what else is gonna bring in btc income
1132636;1431662276;decimation;mining, gambling, 'financial services'
1132637;1431662286;mircea_popescu;decimation i make some from trilema.
1132638;1431662297;decimation;ah, selling content
1132639;1431662310;decimation;no one believes that btc/usd is going to stay where it is for the long run
1132640;1431662325;decimation;so who would fund a business in present btc/usd?
1132641;1431662372;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132451 << i was gonna bitch but then i saw the gif. that's a kickass gif.
1132642;1431662372;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 22:30:12; cazalla: much better than the grainy tumblr shit someone else links :)
1132643;1431662432;williamdunne;decimation: I think the current logic is slippage
1132644;1431662530;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132463 << what are you two on about ? obviously if the keys can be cracked you do nbot wish to use them. who uses bitcoin addresses with known pubkeys ?
1132645;1431662530;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 00:05:30; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132454 << how could the answer possibly be anything other than yes ?
1132646;1431662592;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132410 << SCANDAL!11 mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? << haha
1132647;1431662592;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 21:49:50; davout: meanwhile, http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/ leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD
1132648;1431662602;decimation;well, I was thinking about the case where one couldn't 'upgrade' a key because of threats to existing key lengths
1132649;1431662620;mircea_popescu;i don't get it ?
1132650;1431662639;decimation;implicitly, this means that the existing keyholders are sentenced to cuckoldry?
1132651;1431662657;mircea_popescu;not sure what cuckoldry is, but, they can just register another key and push their stuff to it ?
1132652;1431662680;decimation;right, so either they pay you or they lose their btc to some key guesser?
1132653;1431662723;mircea_popescu;how would the key guesser know which key to guess ?
1132654;1431662767;mircea_popescu;besides, factoring 4096 keys is not quite that much of a given. for one thing, 1kb keys have not been factored yet. for the other... moore law, again ?
1132655;1431662804;decimation;it's a good point, but is strong enough to close the escape hatch?
1132656;1431662890;mircea_popescu;iguess we see once some chickens escape.
1132657;1431662943;decimation;fair enough.  I would wager against it happening in the next 20 years
1132658;1431662966;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts 4096 keys will EVER be factored.
1132659;1431662971;decimation;me too
1132660;1431662988;mircea_popescu;the idea that computing power is a monotone... heh. out of the crooked timber of humanity, no monotone was ever made.
1132661;1431663083;mircea_popescu;(for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807)
1132662;1431663927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is betting on civilization collapse before 4k factored, aha
1132663;1431663934;asciilifeform;not bad bet, either
1132664;1431663965;mircea_popescu;doewsn't even have to be collapse. consider : a hot area of research in the 50s/60s even 70s was genetics of intelligence.
1132665;1431663974;mircea_popescu;what's the progress in the 1990 - 2010 period ?
1132666;1431663983;asciilifeform;or more mundanely, breeder reactors
1132667;1431663988;mircea_popescu;supposedly a major contributor to gdp worldwide is, mental health medication.
1132668;1431663998;asciilifeform;fields get 'magicked' out of existence all the time.
1132669;1431664001;mircea_popescu;what EXACTLY is the progress, past 30 years ? ballas has the story in detail
1132670;1431664008;mircea_popescu;or even closer to home : ai.
1132671;1431664017;mircea_popescu;where is the mit ai lab ? it was SO respectable in the 60s
1132672;1431664037;decimation;they sorta turned into that place where that chick sews shit
1132673;1431664040;asciilifeform;the collapse of ai ('ai winter') quite arguably created a black hole with sufficient suction to take -all- of computing with it
1132674;1431664044;asciilifeform;(however delayed)
1132675;1431664058;mircea_popescu;i don't see a future for the stuff covered by moore's law, for the very simple reason we could call "obama's arab league failure"
1132676;1431664068;mircea_popescu;to wit, the usians got beaten at it, so now it will have to no longer exist
1132677;1431664098;asciilifeform;at any rate, moore's law as this passive quasi-mythical gifts-from-god thing hasn't been cryptographically relevant for a while.
1132678;1431664134;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's a snippet that will be perhaps insturctive. the ai winter and the vg winter happened almost in tandem. the latter resolved within a year.by the end of the decade vg was WAY ahead of the beginning.
1132679;1431664139;asciilifeform;the only genuine concern is 'unicorns' (p==np, optical factorizer, entirely unknown strange) for which the incentive is more or less infinite and so will come into existence if at all physically possible
1132680;1431664147;mircea_popescu;supposedly ai had much brighter minds at its disposal. what made the difference ?
1132681;1431664156;asciilifeform;vg?
1132682;1431664160;mircea_popescu;video games
1132683;1431664163;asciilifeform;aha
1132684;1431664173;decimation;^ note that a similar incentive exists for alchemy
1132685;1431664175;mircea_popescu;1983. the thing completely collapsed
1132686;1431664192;mircea_popescu;99.x% loss in sales, most commentators agreeing "it was prolly a fad" etc.
1132687;1431664202;asciilifeform;decimation: see old threads re: how neutron bombardment caps the price of gold
1132688;1431664229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: more or less everyone knows about the mass atari burials, etc
1132689;1431664234;mircea_popescu;right.
1132690;1431664250;decimation;asciilifeform: before that, astroid mining presumably
1132691;1431664256;mircea_popescu;so, why ? why did the geniuses of mit fare so very much worse than the rag tag band of idiots and imbeciles coding for z80 in their bedrooms ?
1132692;1431664257;asciilifeform;i would argue that the overvaluation of games was considerably less dramatic than of ai
1132693;1431664267;mircea_popescu;they both don't actually exist...
1132694;1431664270;asciilifeform;games, it turned out, were worth something.
1132695;1431664274;mircea_popescu;they're both predicated on entertainment...
1132696;1431664275;mircea_popescu;why ?
1132697;1431664285;asciilifeform;people apparently sometimes like to play games.
1132698;1431664292;mircea_popescu;and people don't like intelligence ?
1132699;1431664307;asciilifeform;games, it turned out, could be produced, in the short term, economically.
1132700;1431664313;mircea_popescu;allegedly.
1132701;1431664318;asciilifeform;ai was a little more like 'hot fusion'
1132702;1431664324;asciilifeform;(specifically hot)
1132703;1431664330;mircea_popescu;the relation between games as produced and games is about the same as the relation between intelligence as produced and intelligence
1132704;1431664347;mircea_popescu;so no, ai wasn't special.
1132705;1431664361;mircea_popescu;it is my considered belief that it was SPECIFICALLY the unwarranted delusion that ai is special that ruined it.
1132706;1431664388;mircea_popescu;not because it wasn't done. but because the idiots doing it (yes, minsky and all) were idiots about the one thing that matters, which had little to do with their actual target.
1132707;1431664443;mircea_popescu;basically, a video game producer's view of MIT AI lab is "hey, it was a field-sized Daikatana"
1132708;1431664455;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY the same. "oh, we have money, oh, we're in it to get it right"
1132709;1431664458;mircea_popescu;bla bla.
1132710;1431664496;asciilifeform;what ruined, very mundanely, is that it was part of reagan's massively-distributed embezzlement thing, which came to an end 'like all good things'
1132711;1431664529;asciilifeform;live by usg, die by usg
1132712;1431664567;Namworld;What's the opinion in this room about living expenses? What's acceptable % of revenue wise, how much should it costs, what's important stuff and less important stuff.
1132713;1431664597;mircea_popescu;o.O
1132714;1431664621;Namworld;I somewhat have a preference for smaller living space, higher quality goods/food.
1132715;1431664622;asciilifeform;Namworld: i for one have no idea, i've never lived yet
1132716;1431664636;Namworld;I'm completely derailing the current topic, sorry
1132717;1431664644;mircea_popescu;the best advice i can give is, if you're having the girls living separate, pair them up. much happier girls, cheaper.
1132718;1431664725;Namworld;Well considering I don't have a harem... that's not really something I have on my mind.
1132719;1431664754;mircea_popescu;you see what i mean.
1132720;1431664817;Namworld;More people in less space is cheaper and happier?
1132721;1431664838;mircea_popescu;nope.
1132722;1431664861;mircea_popescu;there is that rabi and goats story, but no.
1132723;1431664880;Namworld;I don't see what you mean then.
1132724;1431665079;cazalla;Namworld, know the get a discount on your bills trick?
1132725;1431665133;Namworld;I often hear living in the city as someone poor (minimum salary) is harsh. It always seemed a bit absurd to me. Minimum salary here is ~$1400 per month after taxes. CAD$10.55 per hour.
1132726;1431665169;asciilifeform;Namworld: and what's the minimal rent there?
1132727;1431665173;mircea_popescu;cazalla costanza's "no here kruger" ?
1132728;1431665182;Namworld;400-550
1132729;1431665193;asciilifeform;for what? a cemetery plot ?
1132730;1431665211;Namworld;For studio/1br apartments
1132731;1431665225;mircea_popescu;alf's privileged.
1132732;1431665228;cazalla;mircea_popescu, lulz no but for anyone else, retention staff often have better deals than pay on time ask no questions customers, so you port your electricity/gas to another provider, old provider comes back to you during cool down period and offers something better
1132733;1431665244;cazalla;and as i've mentioned a few times before.. take a roll of toilet paper home from work each day
1132734;1431665267;cazalla;and if you're really game, load up on top cuts from supermarkets but weigh them in the self-serve as carrots
1132735;1431665268;asciilifeform;cazalla: take a roll of toilet paper home from work each day << top soviet state-of-art.
1132736;1431665305;cazalla;nothing like sirloin at 99c a kg
1132737;1431665322;mircea_popescu;cazalla i had an entire fucking lulz with the elec corp in romania. they wanted to give me a deal if i prepaid, so i prepaid for like a year. then the eu elec price explosion happened, and so they paid me to get out of the prepay deal. then prices went back down.
1132738;1431665329;mircea_popescu;in the end i got however many free megawatts.
1132739;1431665333;asciilifeform;l0l
1132740;1431665340;Namworld;99c a kilo? Never seen anything that cheap here.
1132741;1431665355;Namworld;mircea_popescu ha!
1132742;1431665377;mircea_popescu;but it was fully unintentional, they just kept running themselves into the wall
1132743;1431665379;mircea_popescu;while i was nodding
1132744;1431665393;mircea_popescu;noob energy futures traders, irl.
1132745;1431665406;asciilifeform;they oughta have bought mpoe & dice
1132746;1431665413;mircea_popescu;little do they know.
1132747;1431665425;mircea_popescu;as hanbot sez, "the space to draw one's conclusion is big and fulla dragons."
1132748;1431665425;Namworld;If only that... $420 rent here, split in 2 for a 1 bedroom. I'm installed in the living room/kitchen as if it was a studio. Roommate in room.
1132749;1431665456;mircea_popescu;Namworld so send the roommate out to turn tricks ? should be 100 an hour at least.
1132750;1431665506;Namworld;I'm no a pimp.
1132751;1431665515;cazalla;you'd be better off using the spare rooms to grow dope than renting them out Namworld
1132752;1431665522;mircea_popescu;why not ? they get kickass hats.
1132753;1431665530;mircea_popescu;plus those platforms with live koi
1132754;1431665544;mircea_popescu;cazalla nah, pink > green yo.
1132755;1431665567;Namworld;Yeah, I wanted to, but I didn't have the hat.
1132756;1431665583;hanbot;live *koi*?! how big are your feet, man?!
1132757;1431665590;mircea_popescu;where's that butters instructional video...
1132758;1431665594;mircea_popescu;do you know what i am saying!
1132759;1431665612;cazalla;mircea_popescu, ya been watching too much breaking bad
1132760;1431665615;mircea_popescu;hanbot as big as the penis, it's a rule.
1132761;1431665637;mircea_popescu;anyway, maybe they were goldfish, i dunno.
1132762;1431665642;mircea_popescu;IANAP
1132763;1431665668;asciilifeform;unrelated - anybody read the magnetics links ?
1132764;1431665677;asciilifeform;because it was brain-melting
1132765;1431665694;Namworld;I have rent, electricity bill, food (good food and delivered at door), cellphone and Internet all fitting within ~$500, depending on food selection that month.
1132766;1431665695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is now a quesadilla.
1132767;1431665708;asciilifeform;approximately.
1132768;1431665718;mircea_popescu;Namworld so then what's the bitch ? you're not seriously contemplating cutting out of that 500 are you ?
1132769;1431665779;Namworld;No. Feels like I have everything I need. I'm just perplexed by people who don't have the excuse of kids struggling on minimum salary.
1132770;1431665794;mircea_popescu;they probably smoke.
1132771;1431665798;asciilifeform;Namworld: wait till you meet the folks struggling on maximal salary
1132772;1431665806;asciilifeform;and everything in between
1132773;1431665839;Namworld;asciilifeform, I'm pretty sure working with folks struggling on maximal salary is a masochistic endeavour.
1132774;1431665873;Namworld;You have to enjoy headaches and/or brain aneurysm.
1132775;1431665924;Namworld;mircea_popescu, not always. Even then, I don't see many smokers smoking enough to burn almost $1000 a month.
1132776;1431665953;asciilifeform;Namworld: one way to 'smoke' 1000/mo. is to live in usa and pay it for 'health insurance'
1132777;1431665953;mircea_popescu;what's a pack, $10 ?
1132778;1431665965;mircea_popescu;3 a day is perhaps a little much
1132779;1431666007;mircea_popescu;http://digitalmoneytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/shutterstock_120783400-300x199.jpg << anyone explain what the advertising-exec looking chick is doing in that pic ?
1132780;1431666007;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1d0UYyj )
1132781;1431666012;Namworld;I'm not even on minimum salary and could live 2x on it.
1132782;1431666053;asciilifeform;Namworld: how much did your electron microscope cost ?
1132783;1431666126;Namworld;This document from 2012 seems to say a carton of 200 smokes were ~$77
1132784;1431666147;Namworld;So about $10 per pack, yeah
1132785;1431666162;Namworld;electron microscope?
1132786;1431666203;asciilifeform;let's rephrase
1132787;1431666210;asciilifeform;there is 'live' and there is 'exist'
1132788;1431666218;asciilifeform;so far, what has been described is 'exist'
1132789;1431666221;asciilifeform;as one does in jail.
1132790;1431666234;mircea_popescu;check it out! asciilifeform DOES get my original point!
1132791;1431666247;mircea_popescu;Namworld, copy this man.
1132792;1431666257;asciilifeform;which one? that jail is waiting?
1132793;1431666277;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132719
1132794;1431666277;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 04:39:14; mircea_popescu: you see what i mean.
1132795;1431666287;asciilifeform;aha.
1132796;1431666324;Namworld;Oh... but what's the criterion to be considered living vs existing?
1132797;1431666332;mircea_popescu;sometimes i think i'm too terse. then i look at the logs and shudder. what's a gal to do!
1132798;1431666347;mircea_popescu;that's your job Namworld. can't be asking us. (there's even a rule about it!)
1132799;1431666350;asciilifeform;Namworld: ask mirror ?
1132800;1431666396;Namworld;I wouldn't consider myself to be merely existing. But it seems as such for you.
1132801;1431666425;asciilifeform;Namworld: paul erdos, one of the greatest mathematical minds of his century, owned - a suitcase and suit.
1132802;1431666432;asciilifeform;i dare say, he lived.
1132803;1431666434;mircea_popescu;always the same one!
1132804;1431666440;asciilifeform;of course same one
1132805;1431666460;*;asciilifeform not erdos, but also owns precisely one suit
1132806;1431666485;*;mircea_popescu is poor, does not even own his own pair of jeans.
1132807;1431666495;asciilifeform;l0lz
1132808;1431666505;Namworld;I feel much better having a small living space and more spare money than I can use than having a big place with only crap to put in it and struggling to afford anything but paying for a large living space.
1132809;1431666522;mircea_popescu;lolz all you wish, but let me tell you something : to anyone i knew in the 80s, "you will never own your own pair of jeans" would have been possibly the worst conceivable curse.
1132810;1431666538;asciilifeform;'the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread' (TM) (R)
1132811;1431666620;Namworld;You're trapped overpaying for a big space. That's the real prison. Small space, you're basically free to do whatever and have the luxury of free time with less stress.
1132812;1431666641;mircea_popescu;except if the girls start fighting because they're crammed too close together.
1132813;1431666643;asciilifeform;Namworld: where will you put electron microscope in small space?
1132814;1431666650;cazalla;Namworld, even a small space cost you 30 years of your life here
1132815;1431666651;asciilifeform;any idea how much room these need ?
1132816;1431666653;mircea_popescu;i find the symmetry amusing.
1132817;1431666657;asciilifeform;or the 3-phase mains
1132818;1431666663;asciilifeform;you gonna get those in your 1-room flat ?
1132819;1431666695;asciilifeform;can't even plug in a gantry mill
1132820;1431666698;asciilifeform;w/out 3-phase
1132821;1431666700;asciilifeform;srslt.
1132822;1431666703;asciilifeform;*srsly
1132823;1431666724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in a time long ago i had a 3 phase washing machine.
1132824;1431666741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! for elephant ?
1132825;1431666753;mircea_popescu;for 50-75 kgs dry.
1132826;1431666758;cazalla;anyway, i thought all you old school bitcoiners were rich as fuck
1132827;1431666768;asciilifeform;cazalla: who is 'you'
1132828;1431666773;asciilifeform;cazalla: i own - my shirt.
1132829;1431666777;mircea_popescu;anyone older than him :D
1132830;1431666790;cazalla;ha yeah pretty much that ^^^
1132831;1431666803;Namworld;Admittedly, if I wanted to use any of these equipments, I'd just study the field and get the funds and lab assigned to me.
1132832;1431666826;asciilifeform;Namworld: l0l of the century
1132833;1431666850;asciilifeform;what was it herr hitler supposedly said, 'any man who likes to shoot guns ought to join the ss' ?
1132834;1431666871;Namworld;Space is a concern only when you need it. You don't buy a large warehouse building without any plans on how to use it/put it to work.
1132835;1431666905;mircea_popescu;i do, actually.
1132836;1431666922;mircea_popescu;only time i ever bought such a thing was off the auction block. had no use for it, but fuck. dat price.
1132837;1431666938;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still have it ?
1132838;1431666941;mircea_popescu;nah
1132839;1431666945;mircea_popescu;lol, why do you ask ?
1132840;1431666949;asciilifeform;idk
1132841;1431666952;asciilifeform;pogos?
1132842;1431666955;mircea_popescu;lmao
1132843;1431666975;mircea_popescu;would have been great for mining, because metal structure, unheated by default.
1132844;1431666982;mircea_popescu;but was sadly many years ago
1132845;1431666985;asciilifeform;great for many things.
1132846;1431667077;mircea_popescu;anyway, pogos should be geographically distributtsexed.
1132847;1431667175;asciilifeform;aha
1132848;1431667249;asciilifeform;so for folks who don't read links, u.s. folk were most of the way to fabricating microscale magnetic circuits, when ic was discovered and entire field evaporated
1132849;1431667275;asciilifeform;some work continued for rad-hard/far-space applications, but nothing public came of it
1132850;1431667318;asciilifeform;the only magnetic circuit item that remained in use, for a while, was ferrite ram
1132851;1431667332;asciilifeform;(and, in past few years, a kind of reborn version of it, 'mram')
1132852;1431667353;asciilifeform;but certainly no -logic-.
1132853;1431667363;mircea_popescu;actually afaik the one thing that came out of that field was magnetic bottles, years latr.
1132854;1431667367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130200 @ 0.00028707 = 37.3765 BTC [+] {2} 
1132855;1431667381;asciilifeform;magnetic bottles were iirc saharov's idea
1132856;1431667385;mircea_popescu;yeah
1132857;1431667386;asciilifeform;and long pre-date all of this
1132858;1431667390;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1132859;1431667392;asciilifeform;aha.
1132860;1431667413;Namworld;Haven't been around in a while, but from lurking every now and then, seems it's a bit slow for assets. There's no longer talk about assets/tons of trade tickers.
1132861;1431667426;asciilifeform;Namworld: i broke it
1132862;1431667433;Namworld;Seems most regulars are still there talking at least.
1132863;1431667476;asciilifeform;or wait, where is 'there'
1132864;1431667491;mircea_popescu;how long can it all predate it ? sakharov is contemporary with feynman not with bohr
1132865;1431667521;asciilifeform;pre-dated 'bubble ram' etc.
1132866;1431667556;asciilifeform;but i'm not entirely clear on how 'magnetic bottle' for keeping charged particules penned in, relates to magnetic logic
1132867;1431667787;mircea_popescu;"magnetics"
1132868;1431667807;asciilifeform;then faraday also.
1132869;1431667813;mircea_popescu;it's not really big enough to have subfields yet.
1132870;1431667831;asciilifeform;l0l
1132871;1431667838;*;asciilifeform wonders what then -is- big enough
1132872;1431668034;mircea_popescu;feminism > magnetism.
1132873;1431668845;Namworld;Well, this is what living on ~$500 of bills per month looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvW1M9QfDfQ
1132874;1431668845;assbot;Apartment - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQfFaC )
1132875;1431668975;hanbot;is Namworld soft-launching a life coaching business?
1132876;1431669103;Namworld;Apparently. Seems by most people's standards, they'd be driven nut by the small space. The space with workdesk/bed/dresser is 5x10 foot
1132877;1431669123;hanbot;all it needs is atomics, could be submarine.
1132878;1431669266;Namworld;I didn't consider such a thing. I guess I'd feel confortable even in a submarine/ship.
1132879;1431669330;cazalla;Namworld, get rid of the cat, savings right there not to mention A+ for no animals living in the house
1132880;1431669374;Namworld;But I like the cat...
1132881;1431669393;cazalla;most of the people in here like cats + smokes
1132882;1431669405;hanbot;confucious sez, cat can save you a meal...
1132883;1431669436;Namworld;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2n4YynyTC0
1132884;1431669436;assbot;Cat in the Sleeve Hammock - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEqfCM )
1132885;1431669443;Namworld;He's tricked me with his cuteness and affective disorder. He's clingy.
1132886;1431669468;cazalla;meh i hate em, they kill a lot of the natives around here
1132887;1431669483;Namworld;Kill?
1132888;1431669494;Namworld;Natives?
1132889;1431669518;cazalla;local bird life for a start
1132890;1431669549;Namworld;Well people shouldn't let cats out to hunt...
1132891;1431669556;cazalla;plus there is the toxoplasmosis thing
1132892;1431669609;Namworld;No point in having a cat if he's away all day. It's just not doing anything but costing you and being a nuisance to people around.
1132893;1431669610;cazalla;anyway, be a man and get a dog
1132894;1431669660;scoopbot_revived;A lunatic with a bloodied axe could be ringing at your door! http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/
1132895;1431669711;Namworld;Well my cat can play tag, comes at the door running to greet you and gives his paw. I could probably teach him to fetch.
1132896;1431669783;Namworld;It might be a dog that is disfigured and has bad vocal cords. Might just happen to look like a cat.
1132897;1431669884;Namworld;The convenience of owning a cat and a dog in one, with all the disadvantages and not quite all the benefits.
1132898;1431669973;cazalla;but if you're trying to save money, perhaps just eat the cat and reduce not only the cost of feeding it but save extra on a meal or two for yourself
1132899;1431669990;Namworld;I'm not trying to save money.
1132900;1431669994;cazalla;i'd bet a cat or dog costs about the same to feed a toddler
1132901;1431670077;cazalla;my bad then, i assumed your interest in reducing living expenses was so that you could save a bit extra
1132902;1431670137;Namworld;I'm sure a toddler is more expensive... Cat is like a $20 bag of food for like 2-3 months. And like ~$15 of litter for the same period. So about 10-15 bucks per month.
1132903;1431670259;cazalla;shot myself in the foot with that one.. if i had said baby though, breast milk being somewhat free and all
1132904;1431670269;Namworld;I'm not trying to save, I'm going to be upgrading living expenses by $200 per month and have my own bedroom. In a better location nearer downtown in a bigger and better apartment.
1132905;1431670315;Namworld;It just happened that I ended up with $500 in bills per month, without any effort on my part whatsoever.
1132906;1431670377;Namworld;I'll be living slightly more expensively within 2 months.
1132907;1431670432;Namworld;I was just perplexed by single people with no children struggling with minimum salary, which is ~$1400 after taxes.
1132908;1431670467;cazalla;no doubt they piss a lot of it away but i don't think they are entirely to blame for being on struggle street
1132909;1431670643;Namworld;It's something that's agreed on by many that you can hardly live on minimum salary. It just feels weird to me. By any sort of standards, it seems minimum salary here is luxury compared to almost everything else.
1132910;1431670835;cazalla;we have a high minimum wage here (down under) but people still struggle on account of insane cost of living so can't really blame people for indulging a little, not like it's worth their time to save a deposit for a house anyway
1132911;1431670857;Namworld;Even by US standards. Perhaps not by EU standards.
1132912;1431670935;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [04:53] unrelated - anybody read the magnetics links ? << wrapping my head around the microwaves, actually
1132913;1431670940;Namworld;Cost of rent especially, since it tends to be a big part of budget. Wouldn't want to have to pay rent in San Francisco.
1132914;1431670960;Namworld;Some cities are expensive...
1132915;1431671077;Namworld;ok, it's past 2am, I guess I'll log off for now. Getting empty in here. I'm off-topic for the channel too. Shouldn't be rambling late at night. I'll turn senile early.
1132916;1431671094;ben_vulpes;<Namworld> [05:06] I feel much better having a small living space and more << i miss lathes and mills and welders
1132917;1431671114;ben_vulpes;i could buy a mini cnc mill and make custom leather embossing dies
1132918;1431671116;cazalla;i can't articulate it well but i'm sure i've read alf mention it before that it's part of the bezzle.. have you work and paid just enough to cover bills but never enough that you could be free of it within your life time, at least until you're washed up and old
1132919;1431671170;Namworld;Alf?
1132920;1431671182;cazalla;asciilifeform soz
1132921;1431671196;Namworld;Ah
1132922;1431671270;cazalla;plus this idea of down sizing just helps them fit more people in
1132923;1431671288;cazalla;you end up paying more for less
1132924;1431671296;ben_vulpes;that is true enough
1132925;1431671302;punkman;just enough to cover bills < not even that around here
1132926;1431671338;ben_vulpes;the house i grew up in might retail for ~3x what my parents paid for it, and far more than i'll ever sock away in my lifetime
1132927;1431671387;Namworld;I feel if you stop bothering about what people think, fitting social expectations, outperforming your neighbors or any such thing. At least in certain places. I suppose it depends on real estate prices.
1132928;1431671488;cazalla;ben_vulpes, comparable homes in my area are going for 600k, supposedly worth so much more than what my grand parents paid for their massive acre blocks back in the day where they were able to raise lots of kids on one wage yet i'm supposed to believe you're average australian couple who both work and pay for someone else to raise the 1 kid have it better because the total lack of land and bricks is worth $$$
1132929;1431671536;cazalla;your average even
1132930;1431671742;Namworld;The lack of land and bricks is worth a lot of dough. You could be paying a lot of dough at any big corp for fees and terrible services. Inconvenience is costly. What better investment than a overpriced house so you can live inconvenience every day of your life? You save a lot of money that way.
1132931;1431671846;mircea_popescu;right. so if you pick up a girl what do you do, take her to a motel ?
1132932;1431671908;mircea_popescu;anyway, hanbot has a point : join a fishing ship / oil rig / something. they'll pay you 5k a month to live in a 50 sq ft space,
1132933;1431671913;mircea_popescu;instead of youy having to pay 500
1132934;1431672008;Namworld;Well, the living space might not bother me, but the inconvenient is you have to do fishing or oil drilling or so on work.
1132935;1431672021;mircea_popescu;or cook, or w/e.
1132936;1431672052;cazalla;Namworld, he's talking about working for a living, he's talking about sharkin'
1132937;1431672171;Namworld;Well cook might be more in my cords. But doing it all day? Seems a bit mind numbing.
1132938;1431672187;mircea_popescu;http://litecoin.org.es/bitcoin-y-el-estado-benefactor/ << o.O
1132939;1431672190;assbot;Bitcoin y el “Estado benefactor” | Litecoin España ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMmrOn )
1132940;1431672201;mircea_popescu;Namworld so do it for six months, take a year or two off.
1132941;1431672233;cazalla;Namworld, shitty job (i did like an unpaid 16 hour shift many years ago)
1132942;1431672234;Namworld;Always an option. Something to try out.
1132943;1431672234;punkman;science boat pays a bit less but still quite well
1132944;1431672253;cazalla;didn't bother coming back for the actual job, working in a kitchen sucks
1132945;1431672275;Namworld;Well I'm off for real this time.
1132946;1431672284;Namworld;Goodbye
1132947;1431672733;trinque;installing openvas on gentoo with the latest ebuild ends up forcing you to use an old gnutls version
1132948;1431672735;trinque;the irony
1132949;1431673406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138067 @ 0.00028324 = 39.1061 BTC [-] {2} 
1132950;1431674482;wyrdmantis;hello everyone
1132951;1431674659;wyrdmantis;;;nethash
1132952;1431674659;gribble;368694095.451
1132953;1431674724;mircea_popescu;heya
1132954;1431676395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00028436 = 9.2133 BTC [+]
1132955;1431676997;mircea_popescu;http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php << o hey, check it out, a db of fucktards
1132956;1431677057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84700 @ 0.00028465 = 24.1099 BTC [+] {2} 
1132957;1431677359;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/player.php?v=/pol/src/1431529008621.webm&t=Emilybloom.webm&loop=1 << ha!
1132958;1431677711;cazalla;mircea_popescu, gee you really took the grainy gif insult to heart :P
1132959;1431677729;mircea_popescu;i love that vid.
1132960;1431677736;mircea_popescu;fucking bs tv. THAT is what it's supposed to look like.
1132961;1431677745;cazalla;lose points for mole on the vulva though
1132962;1431677750;mircea_popescu;i'm not watching any more videos until they conform.
1132963;1431677774;mircea_popescu;i don't care how it looks. the point is that it's there, none of this "o, she just took the beadspread to the bathroom" bs.
1132964;1431677778;mircea_popescu;who the fuck even does that.
1132965;1431677867;cazalla;what? check for vulva moles?
1132966;1431677892;mircea_popescu;no, takes the breadspread ot the bathroom.
1132967;1431677907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36844 @ 0.00028477 = 10.4921 BTC [+]
1132968;1431678004;cazalla;lol yeah was just joshing
1132969;1431678280;cazalla;still, vulva moles.. the lack of vulva symmetry doesn't phase, nice that they all come in different shapes and sizes but.. moley mole
1132970;1431678309;mircea_popescu;so what of it ?
1132971;1431678411;cazalla;can't say i'm a fan.. might try to touch it in a subtle manner to ensure it is a mole lest someone didn't teach the poor girl how to wipe
1132972;1431678453;mircea_popescu;can prolly have it burned off if you give a shit.
1132973;1431678466;*;mircea_popescu never got to quite that level of detail specificity.
1132974;1431678536;cazalla;probably has to pluck big ass mole hairs from it too
1132975;1431678617;mircea_popescu;yo cazalla, if i give you some candy are you gonna go all junkie and forget your duties to land and king ?
1132976;1431678700;cazalla;why would you be giving me that
1132977;1431678704;cazalla;but yes, so i don't eat it
1132978;1431678798;cazalla;what triggered that, mole talk?
1132979;1431678931;mircea_popescu;nah. https://8ch.net/btc
1132980;1431679016;cazalla;blank page?
1132981;1431679064;cazalla;had some faucet stuff but that's gone after refresh
1132982;1431679156;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1132983;1431679577;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fain_visuals_1600px.png << heh, ancient wot-like stuff from my romanian digg thing
1132984;1431679733;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/globosfera-vizibila/ article about it
1132985;1431679847;cazalla;reads like spirography with translate
1132986;1431679886;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/073BPMY.txt
1132987;1431679946;mircea_popescu;basically it connects users with the other users whose things they voted
1132988;1431680232;cazalla;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-15/pm-confirms-b-1-bombers-not-heading-to-australia/6471528
1132989;1431680292;mircea_popescu;eh ?
1132990;1431680292;cazalla;how the US misspoke about sending bombers and drones over here to watch the chinese with is puzzling
1132991;1431680353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119428 @ 0.00028477 = 34.0095 BTC [+]
1132992;1431680557;mircea_popescu;heh
1132993;1431681268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44350 @ 0.00028102 = 12.4632 BTC [-] {2} 
1132994;1431682324;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwuR3MvZ6xM
1132995;1431682539;cazalla;i wonder if they deliberately make errors so that many people watch to point them out to one another
1132996;1431683823;mircea_popescu;if they do it failed cuz i dont give a shit >D
1132997;1431683848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76300 @ 0.0002831 = 21.6005 BTC [+]
1132998;1431684366;mircea_popescu;"So as you can probably tell, this board is primarily dedicated to IRL Harems, how to build one, and crucially, how to do so with minimal effort even if NEET and without money.
1132999;1431684366;mircea_popescu;
1133000;1431684366;mircea_popescu;A secondary area of interest is how to leverage your Harem to make $$$ and/or how to find a rich girl/woman to marry.
1133001;1431684366;mircea_popescu;Let the intelligent discussion commence"
1133002;1431684375;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/harem/index.html
1133003;1431684436;mircea_popescu;clearly, the millennials are on to someshit.
1133004;1431684637;cazalla;sounds great until i gave it a bit more thought and considered the cost and work involved
1133005;1431684679;cazalla;harem on welfare though, sounds like baseless advice
1133006;1431684741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125850 @ 0.00027904 = 35.1172 BTC [-] {3} 
1133007;1431684767;mircea_popescu;at least in the republican fears, harem on welfare = inner city blacks.
1133008;1431684777;mircea_popescu;it's not THAT far off from the truth
1133009;1431686618;cazalla;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/business/decoding-the-enigma-of-satoshi-nakamoto-and-the-birth-of-bitcoin.html interesting article on Szabo
1133010;1431687571;mats;http://blazepress.com/2015/05/27-powerful-images-that-sum-up-how-smartphones-are-ruining-our-lives/
1133011;1431687796;wyrdmantis;LULZ https://youtu.be/xuWlOhP36LY
1133012;1431689808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58141 @ 0.0002843 = 16.5295 BTC [+] {3} 
1133013;1431691394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00028501 = 14.1365 BTC [+]
1133014;1431692614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00028501 = 18.5257 BTC [+]
1133015;1431693956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59056 @ 0.00027728 = 16.375 BTC [-] {2} 
1133016;1431694200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95750 @ 0.00027703 = 26.5256 BTC [-] {2} 
1133017;1431694688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64688 @ 0.00028261 = 18.2815 BTC [+] {2} 
1133018;1431698297;*;asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133005 << eagerly awaiting 'electron microscope on welfare' article
1133019;1431698297;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 10:11:19; cazalla: harem on welfare though, sounds like baseless advice
1133020;1431698409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57023 @ 0.00028806 = 16.426 BTC [+]
1133021;1431698615;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132555 << had the thought, that a 'future pgp' could easily include a feature for key agglomeration - where an old key remains in continuous use when upgraded with new one, whereby signatures actually include both side-by-side at all times, while enciphering takes them in turn. thus, you get the added key length (and fresh keymat) from new key, while demonstrating that you are th
1133022;1431698615;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 03:36:01; mircea_popescu: it's no such proof. it's proof that you are willing to allow the holder of key y to continue in your stead.
1133023;1431698615;asciilifeform;e owner of all key with every use.
1133024;1431698637;asciilifeform;*of old key
1133025;1431698639;punkman;asciilifeform: << eagerly awaiting 'electron microscope on welfare' article << i think that's called university
1133026;1431698658;asciilifeform;punkman: again, very much no!
1133027;1431698672;asciilifeform;punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132833
1133028;1431698672;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 05:14:10; asciilifeform: what was it herr hitler supposedly said, 'any man who likes to shoot guns ought to join the ss' ?
1133029;1431698687;asciilifeform;do you understand the difference between owning your own kalash and serving in ru army ?
1133030;1431698700;asciilifeform;folks fixated on hardware often do not.
1133031;1431698707;asciilifeform;don't be fixated on hardware.
1133032;1431699050;punkman;I concede that point, yes
1133033;1431699068;punkman;I do remember a fellow that made a crude DIY electron microscope though
1133034;1431699091;asciilifeform;punkman: you are almost certainly thinking of the atomic force microscope made with piezos
1133035;1431699117;asciilifeform;idiot newspapers billed it as 'electron'
1133036;1431699150;punkman;this one http://benkrasnow.blogspot.gr/2011/03/diy-scanning-electron-microscope.html
1133037;1431699210;asciilifeform;(whereas it is merely a very small 'gramophone')
1133038;1431699210;punkman;not familiar with such equipment
1133039;1431699210;asciilifeform;that one looks genuine.
1133040;1431699354;asciilifeform;however, it (like the proverbial linux) is 'free if your time has no value.'
1133041;1431699548;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132926 << one of the mantras my parents liked to repeat to me was 'in ussr no one owned their home' - mega-l0l, no?
1133042;1431699548;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 06:28:58; ben_vulpes: the house i grew up in might retail for ~3x what my parents paid for it, and far more than i'll ever sock away in my lifetime
1133043;1431699568;asciilifeform;in practice, quite the reverse.
1133044;1431699593;asciilifeform;want to know what you 'own' in usa? try and stop paying the property tax.
1133045;1431699639;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132932 << could even save enough for a decent funeral, on that
1133046;1431699639;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 06:38:28; mircea_popescu: anyway, hanbot has a point : join a fishing ship / oil rig / something. they'll pay you 5k a month to live in a 50 sq ft space,
1133047;1431699655;punkman;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-S-2400-Scanning-Electron-Microscope/221729755269  that's a lot less expensive than I imagined
1133048;1431699871;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132907 << again, in usa, this wage would disqualify you for any usg payola for 'the poor' while putting you precisely one medical or legal bill away from life-long debt, jail, or graveyard
1133049;1431699871;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 06:13:52; Namworld: I was just perplexed by single people with no children struggling with minimum salary, which is ~$1400 after taxes.
1133050;1431699917;asciilifeform;punkman: not far from where i live, one of those things sold (surplus) for 1k or so.
1133051;1431699944;asciilifeform;punkman: but you also must include the cost of transport (even across the street - not cheap!), 3phase mains, and climate-controlled floor to park it on.
1133052;1431699953;asciilifeform;i lacked the last two items and so did not buy.
1133053;1431700081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42963 @ 0.00028806 = 12.3759 BTC [+]
1133054;1431700165;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132928 << and not remotely close to all the fat has been trimmed, even. within your lifetime, a house (even miniature house) occupied by just one family will become unspeakable luxury, as the sovietization continues
1133055;1431700165;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 06:31:28; cazalla: ben_vulpes, comparable homes in my area are going for 600k, supposedly worth so much more than what my grand parents paid for their massive acre blocks back in the day where they were able to raise lots of kids on one wage yet i'm supposed to believe you're average australian couple who both work and pay for someone else to raise the 1 kid have it better because the total lack of land and bricks is worth $$
1133056;1431700592;decimation;asciilifeform: I did look through the magnetic amplifiers book.  It sounds difficult to fabricate tiny transformers on ferric cores
1133057;1431700672;decimation;but I do like the idea of using magnetic flux for computation rather than electric flux
1133058;1431702033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174350 @ 0.00028806 = 50.2233 BTC [+]
1133059;1431702155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11112 @ 0.0002874 = 3.1936 BTC [-]
1133060;1431704900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96850 @ 0.00028712 = 27.8076 BTC [-] {2} 
1133061;1431705449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.0002882 = 18.7042 BTC [+] {2} 
1133062;1431706852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102800 @ 0.00028131 = 28.9187 BTC [-]
1133063;1431706879;Naphex;Pierre_Rochard: nice kick on that bucket with gavin :))
1133064;1431706913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00028828 = 6.0971 BTC [+]
1133065;1431707220;mats;http://moflow.org/Presentations/Taint%20Nobody%20Got%20Time%20for%20Crash%20Analysis%20-%20slides.pdf
1133066;1431707293;mats;rich has other good stuff on his site if you're into low level exploitation
1133067;1431708134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00028306 = 11.5772 BTC [-]
1133068;1431708264;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=212Amp_s3v8
1133069;1431708899;whaack;So I'm working on building a system where people who I allow can spend BTC on credit. They would have the ability to spend my BTC just for having a good trust rating with me, and the business would be about improving the way I set the trust rating / payment limits etc. so that the fees I take in for the service outweigh the losses I have to eat
1133070;1431708918;whaack;Has anyone tried something similar or know of someone who has?
1133071;1431709353;chetty;people have certainly sold BTC via things like paypal, doesn't seem much different
1133072;1431709505;whaack;I'm not sure how that's similar, in this system we would be blind to any interaction with fiat institutions
1133073;1431709568;joecool;whaack: people have done it in #bitcoin-otc
1133074;1431709599;joecool;but there's a bit of a prevailing 'motto' in the channel now: "loans are a gift"
1133075;1431709624;whaack;Our customers would have a debt to settle in btc, if they can't settle it they get kicked out of the trust network.
1133076;1431709677;whaack;joecool: yeah this system starts with giving the customer a gift, the point is to make sure that the people we give gifts are the kinda people who give gifts back
1133077;1431709714;joecool;whaack: plz see the long list of people who have been kicked out of the "trust network" in -otc
1133078;1431709837;joecool;my favorite example from there is aethero... he was king of the $10 paypal trade, built up his trust and then took out ~$100k USD equiv in btc loans from everyone in -otc and btcjam...
1133079;1431709852;joecool;after which he promptly fell of the face of the earth
1133080;1431709891;joecool;s/of/off/
1133081;1431710150;whaack;joecool: No doubt that kinda thing is expected to happen, and that's a sad story, but the point is that that kinda thing is expected to happen and you just gotta design a better risk rating system
1133082;1431710180;joecool;o rly
1133083;1431710192;joecool;whaack: design the "bitcoin credit report"
1133084;1431710212;whaack;yup, pretty much
1133085;1431710279;joecool;i will say WoT works fantastically well most of the time for trade
1133086;1431710289;joecool;;;ident whaack
1133087;1431710289;gribble;Nick 'whaack', with hostmask 'whaack!4a48d33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.72.211.63', is not identified.
1133088;1431710301;joecool;;;gpg info whaack
1133089;1431710301;gribble;User 'whaack', with keyid 54D96EEE73C04299, fingerprint D1D04E15A322737EEE1BDA13D344A7036FE8E4D6, and bitcoin address None, registered on Mon Feb  9 23:36:17 2015, last authed on Mon Feb  9 23:36:17 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=whaack . Currently not authenticated.
1133090;1431710408;whaack;hmm
1133091;1431710412;whaack;my fingerprint is 6326 273B 61A7 00AF 4CD9 5A7B 8C6C AB19 24A6 4DEC
1133092;1431710454;joecool;not according to that?
1133093;1431710456;whaack;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/whaack/
1133094;1431710516;joecool;mine looks cooler http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
1133095;1431710576;joecool;;;gpg info joecool
1133096;1431710576;gribble;User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Fri May 15 13:07:38 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
1133097;1431710576;whaack;lol gotta start somewhere
1133098;1431710659;whaack;!h
1133099;1431710659;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1133100;1431710699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00028846 = 28.7595 BTC [+] {2} 
1133101;1431710915;joecool;whaack: i'm not sure how those fingerprints work, but the way gribble does it is different than assbot
1133102;1431711090;trinque;!gettrust joecool
1133103;1431711090;assbot;Trust relationship from user trinque to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
1133104;1431711187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96500 @ 0.00028864 = 27.8538 BTC [+]
1133105;1431711242;trinque;joecool: moral there is that 10 trades shouldn't build enough trust in a person that they can take out 100k :p
1133106;1431712705;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1133107;1431712727;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/2015/05/doug-williams-guilty-plea.pdf << mega-l0l. i, for one, have never seen the 'plead guilty' form, and it is lulzy
1133108;1431713468;Namworld;I'm scared. I just visited the forum for the first time in a long time...
1133109;1431713523;Namworld;The quality of posts seems to have dropped even further. No one seems to understand or have a clue about anything Bitcoin.
1133110;1431713562;trinque;Namworld: like any gutter on a public street
1133111;1431713570;trinque;the shit accumulates
1133112;1431713609;trinque;ascii_field: are you aware that you have agreed to no less than 10 inches of veiny cock shoved up your ass? y / n
1133113;1431713619;trinque;there's a real perversity to this; they must like all the procedure around it
1133114;1431713703;*;trinque imagines all of american bureaucracy is filled with people who can't cum unless a few hundred forms are filed
1133115;1431713778;chetty;lmao, no I didnt make a plea deal (those are not legal after all) and if I lied on this form I am guilty of perjury, they get you no matterwhat.
1133116;1431714312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66050 @ 0.0002833 = 18.712 BTC [-] {2} 
1133117;1431714617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81738 @ 0.00028306 = 23.1368 BTC [-]
1133118;1431714871;ben_vulpes;"i am medicated for schizophrenia and what is dog"
1133119;1431715166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19463 @ 0.00028306 = 5.5092 BTC [-]
1133120;1431716163;jurov;TIL some cats have affective disorder?
1133121;1431716296;Namworld;Hey jurov
1133122;1431716346;Namworld;I don't know about that... but he kinds of act like it.
1133123;1431716379;jurov;Hey. I prefer human pets with bipolar affective disorder
1133124;1431716405;jurov;even live with one... in a flat not any bigger than yours
1133125;1431716410;Namworld;Will start destroying/chewing stuff if I'm not home for for more than a day. Kind like a dog, but you don't see that behavior often in cats.
1133126;1431716425;trinque;Namworld: an indoor cat I bet
1133127;1431716439;jurov;it's normal for indoor cats, only after more days
1133128;1431716449;trinque;he's just bored
1133129;1431716509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189617 @ 0.00028407 = 53.8645 BTC [+] {2} 
1133130;1431716536;jurov;and discussing burn rate here...i won't dare
1133131;1431716570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73583 @ 0.00028873 = 21.2456 BTC [+] {2} 
1133132;1431716594;jurov;i always feel that am spending more than i can afford
1133133;1431716616;jurov;then some obsure project or investment succeeds and all is allright
1133134;1431716667;Namworld;Yes, but he goes to door when it rings/greets you. He's also persistant for attention.
1133135;1431716693;trinque;cats are by nature murderous little bastards that need to climb trees and draw blood to be happy
1133136;1431716704;trinque;barring that, does yours have something to climb inside?
1133137;1431716716;Namworld;He climbs into cloths, although he's not a kitten anymore.
1133138;1431716719;trinque;but they don't actually behave normally imo unless they live mostly outside
1133139;1431716762;Namworld;Well he climbs up on fridge to watch birds outside and generally on just about anything.
1133140;1431716777;Namworld;The city isn't a nice place for cats to be outside.
1133141;1431716794;jurov;yup, give him something own to climb on
1133142;1431716799;trinque;^
1133143;1431717639;Namworld;I'll have a big thing for him when I move in a month and a half. Not much space.
1133144;1431717683;Namworld;He seems to prefer sleeping on top of fridge/whatever is very high. Or on me/around me.
1133145;1431717706;Namworld;He often lays just over my shoulder on the dresser
1133146;1431719376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60941 @ 0.0002789 = 16.9964 BTC [-] {2} 
1133147;1431719726;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#comment-114187 << which reminds me, davout do you know who the most famous guy by that name was ?
1133148;1431720225;BingoBoingo;http://www.wnba.com/news/statement_on_griner_johnson_2015_05_15.html
1133149;1431720411;trinque;hilarious, the city's named after the company Goodyear
1133150;1431720864;mod6;they grow a lot of cotton out there.
1133151;1431721071;davout;mircea_popescu: tell me
1133152;1431721135;mircea_popescu;napoleon's general that won the battle of jena for the confused four footer's name was davout.
1133153;1431721150;mircea_popescu;;;google Louis Nicolas Davout
1133154;1431721152;gribble;Louis-Nicolas Davout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Nicolas_Davout>; Davout & Napoleon - The Napoleon Series: <http://www.napoleon-series.org/ins/scholarship97/c_davout.html>; Ask MHQ: Why Wasn't Davout at Waterloo? - History Net: <http://www.historynet.com/davout-at-waterloo.htm>
1133155;1431721238;davout;ah right, i knew this guy's name, but not his story
1133156;1431721383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37208 @ 0.00027684 = 10.3007 BTC [-]
1133157;1431721471;mircea_popescu;in other news http://36.media.tumblr.com/cd2581c62617b5a509994b1e6cd4c4dd/tumblr_nbetwj6JLL1t0bn4lo1_1280.jpg : WOMENZ! WHAY U SO SHORT!
1133158;1431721760;davout;"He was one of the few commanders in history to never be defeated on the field." <<< yea, sounds about right!
1133159;1431721778;mircea_popescu;lol.
1133160;1431721785;mircea_popescu;then again, he didn'y use rails.
1133161;1431721830;davout;:D
1133162;1431721847;davout;i'm pretty busy learning C these days
1133163;1431722020;davout;'At Jena, Napoleon won a battle he could not lose. At Auerstädt, Davout won a battle he could not win".'
1133164;1431722037;davout;allright
1133165;1431722062;ben_vulpes;"the fun, simple, flexible JavaScript test framework"
1133166;1431722072;ben_vulpes;programming is none of those things, why are you lying to me
1133167;1431722086;fluffypony;"60% of the time it works every time"
1133168;1431722090;williamdunne;Flexible could have a solid case
1133169;1431722090;ben_vulpes;i haven't even visited your web page and already you've lost all credibility with me.
1133170;1431722091;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1133171;1431722112;ascii_field;snobol on slugs.
1133172;1431722121;mircea_popescu;fluffypony has it.
1133173;1431722126;jurov;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/15/us-forex-rigging-pleas-idUSKBN0NZ2FZ20150515 lol what a clusterfuck
1133174;1431722186;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, fluffypony, your racks buildin business still active ?
1133175;1431722186;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yep it is
1133176;1431722186;mircea_popescu;jurov you got a 728x90 coinbr banner ?
1133177;1431722186;mircea_popescu;fluffypony wanna advertise on 8chan ? :D
1133178;1431722208;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: not selling much to consumers anymore, got 1x big fat contract that's still got 17 months on it
1133179;1431722215;fluffypony;ben_vulpes: just switch to this: http://html9responsiveboilerstrapjs.com
1133180;1431722275;mircea_popescu;and yeah, re jurov's link : totally, getting "regulated" would deeply benefit bitcoin. it's not like MPEx being put in charge of the US financial markets would be a marked improvement for the us financial markets. o no, it's the other way around dontcha know.
1133181;1431722275;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: i just broke out laughing
1133182;1431722275;williamdunne;v0.0001 came with a load of code breaking changes, don't think it will be stable until v0.000115
1133183;1431722291;fluffypony;"It works in RubeGoldberg 2.2 but will not autocompile freeway buttmonkey merge svn commitshare javahunk."
1133184;1431722317;trinque;>Does a bear have regular bowel movements in the cool breeze of a grassy woodland area?
1133185;1431722317;fluffypony;I've actually used that line when responding to a Ruby developer on Skype who was being dumb
1133186;1431722320;trinque;LOL
1133187;1431722326;joecool;check view source
1133188;1431722357;jurov;no, only 248x50, gotta make one...and can I also push coinroll banner?
1133189;1431722369;trinque;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/impressivewebs/HTML9-Responsive-Boilerstrap-js/master/js/html9responsiveboilerstrap.js
1133190;1431722429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.52635256 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 35 satoshi per share
1133191;1431722429;fluffypony;the commits are awesome
1133192;1431722429;fluffypony;https://github.com/impressivewebs/HTML9-Responsive-Boilerstrap-js/commits/master
1133193;1431722489;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/impressivewebs/HTML9-Responsive-Boilerstrap-js/commit/123e170590a5743d5358486c608096675da7be01
1133194;1431722550;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot-
1133195;1431722550;fluffypony;"There's a known bug with the IE5 bootloader that's preventing multi-threaded access to the cloud partition. Workaround is to enable JSON override mode and recompile the WSDL. Once you've done that, just deploy the __kernelNode binary to the socket listener, restart the Flash daemon and refresh your browser. That should take care of the error. I know, kind of an annoying hack, but it seems to work."
1133196;1431722550;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3N8RHH7.txt
1133197;1431722610;fluffypony;"@dmansouri, it worked! THANKSS!!!!!! but now I've lost support for the color blue. :/"
1133198;1431722610;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1133199;1431722610;trinque;mircea_popescu: no need, or shouldn't be
1133200;1431722610;mircea_popescu;jurov sure.
1133201;1431722610;jurov;what are the terms?
1133202;1431722610;mircea_popescu;ahjahaha COLOR BLUE!
1133203;1431722610;mircea_popescu;jurov the terms are that you just get it, for now.
1133204;1431722610;jurov;ok, thanks
1133205;1431722610;mircea_popescu;that thing with the color blue really brings back memories.
1133206;1431722610;mircea_popescu;as a poor chitlin in romania, i was stuck on a monitor that was losing yellow for months
1133207;1431722737;williamdunne;>If you've just had a baby, try to refrain from referring to the event as a "new product launch".
1133208;1431722737;williamdunne;<< their twitter page is pretty good too https://twitter.com/H9RBSjs
1133209;1431722797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 263.41331311 BTC to 1`000`000`000 shares, 26 satoshi per share
1133210;1431722797;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2MQECVB.txt
1133211;1431722857;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1133212;1431722857;ascii_field;mircea_popescu:  i was stuck on a monitor that was losing yellow for months << l0l! i just picked up a sealed, virginal sony 21" trinitron...
1133213;1431722857;mircea_popescu;ascii_field o.O
1133214;1431722857;davout;https://twitter.com/H9RBSjs/status/598514438354903041
1133215;1431722858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225829 @ 0.0002857 = 64.5193 BTC [+] {5} 
1133216;1431722858;mircea_popescu;i am slightly jealous
1133217;1431722858;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: fella has more
1133218;1431722858;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: if you have a phriend with 'ebay' acct.
1133219;1431722858;mircea_popescu;how the heck ?!
1133220;1431722858;ascii_field;no idea how
1133221;1431722919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21171 @ 0.00028923 = 6.1233 BTC [+]
1133222;1431723041;ascii_field;1600x1200 at 90+ Hz
1133223;1431723070;ascii_field;optically flat, even.
1133224;1431723110;williamdunne;BitOtter - The Bitcoin Options Trade Tool for MPEx
1133225;1431723110;williamdunne;Options coming back?
1133226;1431723111;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133041 << the lol-ziest part is that upon collapse, inhabitants "bought" them from govt, making an eastern europe much socially richer than anyone else in the world.
1133227;1431723111;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 14:19:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132926 << one of the mantras my parents liked to repeat to me was 'in ussr no one owned their home' - mega-l0l, no?
1133228;1431723118;mircea_popescu;at some point it was > 90% home ownership
1133229;1431723130;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: didn't last long in ru
1133230;1431723136;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i think that's just very old.
1133231;1431723141;ascii_field;folks sold for 'pennies on the dollar' so they could eat.
1133232;1431723143;mircea_popescu;ascii_field lasted ~15-20 years n ro
1133233;1431723162;mircea_popescu;at some point there was a bank on every corner FOR THIS REASON
1133234;1431723165;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Ah, I assumed its new as just saw on twitter for the first time
1133235;1431723174;mircea_popescu;derps didn't understand they were i nthe business of sorting out their home ownership
1133236;1431723176;ascii_field;in ru they did a thing called 'shock therapy' - engineered economic rape to dislodge the 'owners'
1133237;1431723227;ascii_field;see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204
1133238;1431723227;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
1133239;1431723245;ascii_field;it was a classic, textbook demo of 'money without power'
1133240;1431723258;ascii_field;which is not a stable condition, to put it mildly
1133241;1431723270;mircea_popescu;bout as stable as gasolin
1133242;1431723275;ascii_field;aha.
1133243;1431723277;mircea_popescu;someone somewhere's gonna wanna power something.
1133244;1431723335;ascii_field;i can easily picture a similar opera playing out in usa, after clitler or whoever proclaims a mortgage jubilee, creating 100mil derps who are suddenly 'millionaires'
1133245;1431723354;mircea_popescu;incidentally, that would be the correct way to handle the us collapse.
1133246;1431723365;ascii_field;the meat is then harvested as per ru.
1133247;1431723365;mircea_popescu;since the govt is fucked anyway, just import all the bank balances on ITS books,
1133248;1431723372;mircea_popescu;then give all the actual real value to people
1133249;1431723374;mircea_popescu;then die.
1133250;1431723385;mircea_popescu;it's how the greek's do it. its how ex soviet empire did it.
1133251;1431723389;mircea_popescu;it's the right way to do this.
1133252;1431723398;mircea_popescu;definitely NOT the way the us will do it, for that reason.
1133253;1431723400;trinque;they'll instead do some incomprehensible refinancing thing where nobody wins
1133254;1431723466;ascii_field;pointing out that in su case this resulted in a very brutal dekulakization ('but at least it wasn't the state doing it')
1133255;1431723503;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133044 << amusingly, one of the things in the 2000s romania was, nobody was paying property tax because fuck you
1133256;1431723503;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 14:19:53; asciilifeform: want to know what you 'own' in usa? try and stop paying the property tax.
1133257;1431723515;mircea_popescu;govt powerless. but then, peoplidiots wanted into the eu.
1133258;1431723518;mircea_popescu;govt now not powerless.
1133259;1431723529;ascii_field;what was eu even for if not for this
1133260;1431723535;mircea_popescu;myeah
1133261;1431723541;mircea_popescu;but the derps really really wanted it.
1133262;1431723545;mircea_popescu;heck, to protect them from russia.
1133263;1431723564;mircea_popescu;because yeah, totally, the western allies of romania so very protected it from russia historically.
1133264;1431723574;mircea_popescu;ww1, ww2, whatevs. but what do the derps know.
1133265;1431723584;ascii_field;l0l
1133266;1431723607;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/05/11/it-legitimate-pedagogical-tool-art-professor-ask-students-be-nude-one-class
1133267;1431723667;mircea_popescu;win.
1133268;1431723667;mircea_popescu;this should have been done  long ago. mandatory nudity throughout highschool.
1133269;1431723667;mircea_popescu;us kids don't fuck anymore anyway.
1133270;1431723674;ascii_field;not quite accurate
1133271;1431723679;ascii_field;they don't want to do the necessary chores
1133272;1431723723;mircea_popescu;"The nude self gesture takes place in complete darkness, and everyone is nude, with only one candle or very small source of light for each individual performance. Each student can select where everyone will be during the performance and where the performance will take in the performance studio -- just as they are able to do for all the performances they do.
1133273;1431723724;mircea_popescu;scam.
1133274;1431723781;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133066 << just hate teh pdfs.
1133275;1431723781;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 16:28:13; mats: rich has other good stuff on his site if you're into low level exploitation
1133276;1431723786;mircea_popescu;rich should learn to web.
1133277;1431723816;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133070 << can't tell if serious or 3/0 trolling.
1133278;1431723816;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 16:55:18; whaack: Has anyone tried something similar or know of someone who has?
1133279;1431723911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196350 @ 0.00028938 = 56.8198 BTC [+] {4} 
1133280;1431725207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133079 << yeah, never mentioned much somehow, also.
1133281;1431725207;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 17:10:52; joecool: after which he promptly fell of the face of the earth
1133282;1431725326;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133107 << the mere fact that it's a form...
1133283;1431725326;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 17:58:47; ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/doug-williams-guilty-plea.pdf << mega-l0l. i, for one, have never seen the 'plead guilty' form, and it is lulzy
1133284;1431725329;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/2E6ZR0C << nodejs at work
1133285;1431725389;ben_vulpes;liars.
1133286;1431725389;ben_vulpes;mother. fucking. liars.
1133287;1431725456;williamdunne;node makes me cry
1133288;1431726355;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1133289;1431726364;ascii_field;http://trilema.com/2009/fumez/#comment-114192 << l0l! how come -i- don't get ru spam ?!
1133290;1431726573;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/05/market-news-roundup/
1133291;1431726947;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1133292;1431726955;pete_dushenski;thx bb!
1133293;1431726990;pete_dushenski;on vacay on public wifi atm, but i snuck in some time to organise the '21' convo from the other day into a post.
1133294;1431726999;jurov;;;ticker --currency eur
1133295;1431727000;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1133296;1431727005;jurov;;;ticker
1133297;1431727006;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.03, Best ask: 237.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 237.1, 24 hour volume: 9075.62309001, 24 hour low: 235.8, 24 hour high: 239.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1133298;1431727010;pete_dushenski;only to discover that scoopy is sleepy
1133299;1431727014;pete_dushenski;so... http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
1133300;1431727074;trinque;do I have to install the damn tenyks-feeds plugin too :P
1133301;1431727082;pete_dushenski;also, 50 btc mpex seats ! wawaweewah!
1133302;1431727127;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOwMcRO2pU
1133303;1431727187;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIDHFbjQ93A << english
1133304;1431727460;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1133305;1431727464;gribble;Current Blocks: 356604 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 227 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 11 hours, 8 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48725175240.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.27057
1133306;1431727512;*;pete_dushenski alrighty, the town beckons. cheers!
1133307;1431728716;jurov;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22[S.BBET]+[PAID]%22
1133308;1431728716;assbot;15 results for '"[S.BBET] [PAID]"' - #bitcoin-assets search
1133309;1431728733;jurov;kakobrekla mircea_popescu: additional 5mn shares was floated?
1133310;1431728741;trinque;deedbot-: list feeds
1133311;1431728741;deedbot-;No feeds.
1133312;1431728769;trinque;alright I've got an RSS thing now too
1133313;1431728793;kakobrekla;jurov lol, my guess is mp fucked up again.
1133314;1431728814;kakobrekla;but hey, at least is not 30mio
1133315;1431728868;jurov;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22[S.MPOE]+[PAID]%22 same thing
1133316;1431728869;assbot;25 results for '"[S.MPOE] [PAID]"' - #bitcoin-assets search
1133317;1431728898;kakobrekla;dunno
1133318;1431728938;jurov;previously he paid half of profit to half of the shares
1133319;1431728962;jurov;this looks like full profit to full shares, so the outcome is correct
1133320;1431729027;trinque;deedbot-: add feed http://trilema.com/feed/
1133321;1431729087;deedbot-;http://trilema.com/feed/ is a go!
1133322;1431729148;trinque;deedbot-: add feed http://contravex.com/feed/
1133323;1431729208;deedbot-;http://contravex.com/feed/ is a go!
1133324;1431729268;jurov;i'm looking forward to eulora dividend fuckups, cuz number of shares will actually change as warrants are placed
1133325;1431729268;trinque;what else should go in there?
1133326;1431729268;trinque;and if scoopbot comes back, I'll turn it off.
1133327;1431729268;deedbot-;[Trilema] A lunatic with a bloodied axe could be ringing at your door! - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/
1133328;1431729328;deedbot-;[Trilema] New MPEx fee - http://trilema.com/2015/new-mpex-fee/
1133329;1431729388;deedbot-;[Trilema] Nature vie avec jeune fille - http://trilema.com/2015/nature-vie-avec-jeune-fille/
1133330;1431729448;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume XI - http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-xi/
1133331;1431729508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105600 @ 0.00027633 = 29.1804 BTC [-] {2} 
1133332;1431729508;deedbot-;[Trilema] In which Orwell avoids what he does not wish to see - http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/
1133333;1431729568;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] 21 Inc. and Comcast sitting in a tree, d-e-r-p-i-n-g. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
1133334;1431729628;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/
1133335;1431729688;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Anyone have a single Elbrus ARM-401 for sale? Mebbe a 4.4 Server? It’s for the children. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/12/anyone-have-a-single-elbrus-arm-401-for-sale-mebbe-a-4-4-server-its-for-the-children/
1133336;1431729748;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Why did blacks stop caring about respectability and acceptability in USistan ? Because there’s none to be had. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/why-did-blacks-stop-caring-about-respectability-and-acceptability-in-usistan-because-theres-none-to-be-had/
1133337;1431729808;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Austin Powers : International Man of Mystery - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/austin-powers-international-man-of-mystery/
1133338;1431729868;trinque;sorry bout that; that should be the last time it does that.
1133339;1431729868;jurov;rss aggregator to end all aggregators
1133340;1431730346;davout;amazing
1133341;1431730346;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1133342;1431730348;davout;phew
1133343;1431730390;trinque;jurov: I can actually have the thing poke assbot for the shasum of the wot list
1133344;1431730394;trinque;so I'll actually verify the thing
1133345;1431730413;jurov;oh yes, since you have access to irc
1133346;1431730416;davout;IRC auth is best auth
1133347;1431730417;jurov;ready
1133348;1431730537;trinque;jurov: deedbot- is happily munching on those pubkeys, thanks
1133349;1431730641;trinque;hm, it might be useful to deed-ify the list of key fingerprints periodically
1133350;1431730777;jurov;kako refused to sign it
1133351;1431730828;trinque;jurov: try your thing again
1133352;1431730836;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201504.txt.asc
1133353;1431730896;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1133354;1431730896;jurov;yup
1133355;1431730896;trinque;fancy
1133356;1431730896;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/btcf_201504.txt.asc
1133357;1431730956;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1133358;1431730956;ben_vulpes;.txt
1133359;1431730956;ben_vulpes;?
1133360;1431730956;trinque;lol why does it hate that one
1133361;1431730956;trinque;hah!
1133362;1431730956;jurov;no it was sent to btc-dev instead
1133363;1431730956;trinque;jurov: last one's a 404; he was being honest
1133364;1431730956;jurov;http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000087.html yes it's only here. but i'm not asking poor deedbot to munch this.
1133365;1431731016;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000087.html
1133366;1431731076;jurov;sorry my internal development url keeps leaking
1133367;1431731076;trinque;jurov: hm my regex might work fine for that
1133368;1431731076;trinque;it just looks for the start and end of the pgp message
1133369;1431731076;trinque;lemme whitelist that
1133370;1431731076;jurov;kk
1133371;1431731120;trinque;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000087.html
1133372;1431731180;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1133373;1431731180;trinque;fu
1133374;1431731189;davout;ImNotInTheMoodException
1133375;1431731206;trinque;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000087.html
1133376;1431731266;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1133377;1431731266;trinque;alright private beatings then that'll work
1133378;1431731266;jurov;but it will need to decode &lt; &gt; etc.
1133379;1431731298;trinque;yeah you're right, this is going to be a pain in the dick
1133380;1431731318;*;trinque tosses that on the deedbot- requests pile and gets back to work
1133381;1431731367;trinque;I'll bet what it's actually barfing on is that <pre> on the same line as the beginning of the message
1133382;1431731384;trinque;but the encoding thing will also have to be accounted for
1133383;1431731519;jurov;alternatively, the clearsigned text can be easily saved as attachment
1133384;1431731532;jurov;by $%#! mailman
1133385;1431731590;jurov;and archived... i don't think it should be deedbot's job
1133386;1431731658;trinque;jurov: yeah, I'm thinking that'll open up a lot of "message didn't verify due to html encoding fuckery" problems
1133387;1431731664;*;trinque departs for now
1133388;1431731819;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu qntra banner http://i.imgur.com/8mYHVc0.png
1133389;1431731879;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1133390;1431731879;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap down ?
1133391;1431731879;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1133392;1431731898;cazalla;is it strange that muh node use to field 40-50 active connections but the past few days tops 100?
1133393;1431731901;mircea_popescu;mod6 https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << might need a few reloads, but teh republican banners, they're there.
1133394;1431731961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno!
1133395;1431732336;jurov;mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform why don't we throw out the mailing list and move to 8chan?
1133396;1431732432;mircea_popescu;srs ?
1133397;1431732479;jurov;veeeery srs
1133398;1431732714;mircea_popescu;copypaste is there a way to api the backuping of stuff on 8chan ?
1133399;1431732736;copypaste;yes
1133400;1431732739;copypaste;there is for example
1133401;1431732748;copypaste;https://8ch.net/btc/0.json
1133402;1431732808;copypaste;this is for the first page of the board
1133403;1431732808;copypaste;there are also JSON for every thread
1133404;1431732808;copypaste;(here's the list of threads: https://8ch.net/btc/threads.json )
1133405;1431732868;copypaste;and then
1133406;1431732868;copypaste;https://8ch.net/btc/res/15.json
1133407;1431732929;williamdunne;My blog has been read so far by a very diverse crowd..
1133408;1431732929;williamdunne;https://twitter.com/WilDunne/status/599357049684795393
1133409;1431733051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00027857 = 12.0621 BTC [+]
1133410;1431733110;mircea_popescu;williamdunne no women thug lifers ?
1133411;1431733122;williamdunne;Apparently not
1133412;1431733144;williamdunne;Sample size of 96
1133413;1431733161;williamdunne;Out of like 600 sessions, rest couldn't be determined
1133414;1431733165;joecool;heh that's a great domain
1133415;1431733248;williamdunne;" The official currency of The Most Serene Republic" - CopyPaste do you recognize the most serene republic?
1133416;1431733259;williamdunne;joecool: thethug.life you mean?
1133417;1431733274;joecool;yeah
1133418;1431733325;williamdunne;Thought someone had to make use of the gtlds
1133419;1431733431;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lmao that's just too weird
1133420;1431733504;joecool;yeah there really are getting to be a lot of random ones... eg: http://poop.bike/
1133421;1431733564;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's sound marketing. More bunnies === more clicks
1133422;1431733564;mircea_popescu;i don't think "the industree" of internet advertising was humiliated nearly as badly b4
1133423;1431733564;BingoBoingo;Also when it comes to imageboards, can you really overdo weird?
1133424;1431733589;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's live
1133425;1431733602;BingoBoingo;Cool
1133426;1431733611;williamdunne;joecool: Have you heard of the .sucks one? Its pretty clever. They're charging something like $4k to buy in the pre-order period so that brands will buy it before someone creates yourservice.sucks
1133427;1431733628;copypaste;williamdunne: What do I need to do to recognize it?
1133428;1431733667;williamdunne;copypaste: 0.1% tax on all revenues payable
1133429;1431733668;williamdunne;http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
1133430;1431733728;joecool;williamdunne: who is? verisign?
1133431;1431733728;mircea_popescu;schmucks will prolly pay 4k, too
1133432;1431733758;joecool;oh some random canadian company
1133433;1431733769;williamdunne;Vox Populi Registry Ltd
1133434;1431733789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00028462 = 10.5025 BTC [+]
1133435;1431733791;williamdunne;"Applications for cause marketing (e.g. cancer.sucks), consumer advocacy and customer service."
1133436;1431733852;williamdunne;How long can the cow be milked for until the udder goes dry? Will it next be .isawful, .robspeople, .killskittens?
1133437;1431733897;mircea_popescu;.sbabies
1133438;1431733911;mircea_popescu;domains ending in fuck, kill etc.
1133439;1431733932;williamdunne;2,199.00 USD - I stand corrected
1133440;1431733936;williamdunne;For trademark holders only
1133441;1431733951;williamdunne;$250 at general availability
1133442;1431733985;williamdunne;On an unrelated note, is it considered acceptable to have an optional subscribe feature on a blog?
1133443;1431733997;williamdunne;Or is it incredibly distasteful
1133444;1431734021;BingoBoingo;Depends how implemented
1133445;1431734044;williamdunne;Right hand side, for example:
1133446;1431734045;williamdunne;http://thethug.life/
1133447;1431734129;mircea_popescu;what;d it do tho ? like an email based bookmark/rss feed ?
1133448;1431734131;mircea_popescu;seems a little silly
1133449;1431734161;williamdunne;Yeah pretty much
1133450;1431734179;williamdunne;To be perfectly honest the main motivation is knowing who reads my blog
1133451;1431734258;joecool;i have never subscribed to a blog
1133452;1431734285;mircea_popescu;you might get a half-complete list of idiots that read your blog, if you care.
1133453;1431734291;mircea_popescu;i haven't ever subscribed either
1133454;1431734313;joecool;mircea_popescu: probably mostly bots that subscribe and scrape content
1133455;1431734386;mircea_popescu;i think in some fields (retarded "make money while you sleep" "webmaster/businessmen" ; "infomercial products" from hyps to herbal whatevers ; etc) it might well work.
1133456;1431734574;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1048m3cVm1rqclrto1_1280.jpg << ah, those old style heating elements. pretty much every single room in eastern europe / european russia had one of those. EXACTLY like that one.
1133457;1431734634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114074 @ 0.00027964 = 31.8997 BTC [-] {2} 
1133458;1431734634;mircea_popescu;all the way to the paint.
1133459;1431734634;mircea_popescu;cast iron, about 2kgs per element. that one's easily 60kgs
1133460;1431734695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165526 @ 0.00027599 = 45.6835 BTC [-] {4} 
1133461;1431735590;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431734890584.jpg << is this the Namworld household ?
1133462;1431736038;asciilifeform;jurov: move to 8chan? << share the lsd ?
1133463;1431736076;mircea_popescu;the chan of things!
1133464;1431736127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: EXACTLY like that one << my 1st adult flat in usa had one
1133465;1431736134;asciilifeform;(19th c. house)
1133466;1431736140;mircea_popescu;aha
1133467;1431736154;*;asciilifeform recalls the steam heat thread
1133468;1431736200;mircea_popescu;btw, if anyone feels like making some banners to replace https://8ch.net/static/8chan%20banner.png go right ahead.
1133469;1431736262;*;asciilifeform still not grasped what, precisely, was the appeal of '8chan'
1133470;1431736262;asciilifeform;(or the other similar www)
1133471;1431736272;asciilifeform;from my perch, looks like every other heathen pit
1133472;1431736312;mircea_popescu;it's like the appeal of boxing. either you grew up with it or it's stupid
1133473;1431736341;mircea_popescu;copypaste how does the gpg signature thing werk btw ?
1133474;1431736360;cazalla;what size do the banners need to be
1133475;1431736368;copypaste;300x100 is the banner size.
1133476;1431736378;copypaste;GPG signatures arne't open to the public yet, just me.
1133477;1431736413;williamdunne;Who is responsible for w.b-a.link?
1133478;1431736442;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/meta/res/74759.html#74760 << lawl.
1133479;1431736502;mircea_popescu;copypaste ah ok. any plans to open them ?
1133480;1431736524;mircea_popescu;cazalla 728x90 for qntra, 300x100 for /btc/
1133481;1431736541;copypaste;Yes, but not immediate plans. When the system is finalized you would be able to upload a key, have it put in the server's keyring, then paste a signed message into the box. You would put the keyID in the email field and it would sign.
1133482;1431736557;copypaste;That's how I sign. I just haven't implemented the "everyone can put a key" thing yet.
1133483;1431736580;mircea_popescu;you can prolly steal the assbot/gribble code, depending what you run
1133484;1431736586;mircea_popescu;iirc gribble runs in python.
1133485;1431736590;copypaste;PHP
1133486;1431736615;mircea_popescu;i dun recall there being anything prewritten for that.
1133487;1431736645;copypaste;The system also would not handle concurrency well, due to the fact that it comes up with the ID by doing ls, then finding the biggest numbered text file in _g and adding one to it.
1133488;1431736653;copypaste;So, those two problems need to be fixed before everyone can sign.
1133489;1431736675;williamdunne;copypaste: I've done the everyone can put a key thing before, I can help you with that if you want..
1133490;1431736704;copypaste;Sure, there's another problem though - we have 3 servers that run PHP, so I need to sync the keyring across them, hehe.
1133491;1431736727;copypaste;I manually entered my pubkey into all three servers, but that's not possible for everyone signing...
1133492;1431736769;williamdunne;Oh..
1133493;1431736773;copypaste;Yeah, sorry. :(
1133494;1431736776;mircea_popescu;how do you handle your concurrency then ?
1133495;1431736788;williamdunne;The way I handled this was I had a separate server running with the keys
1133496;1431736789;copypaste;Well that only affects singing. Since I'm the only one that can sign
1133497;1431736797;copypaste;It's not a problem.
1133498;1431736801;williamdunne;And then requests were sent between the webservers and that server for things like signing
1133499;1431736815;copypaste;That's a better idea. I was thinking of just doing an NFS share.
1133500;1431736824;copypaste;With the keyring on it.
1133501;1431736833;copypaste;Fixing the archive is more urgent right now since it has a deadline.
1133502;1431736843;copypaste;I'll let you know when keys for everyone are available though :)
1133503;1431736852;mircea_popescu;aha.
1133504;1431736866;decimation;asciilifeform: I didn't really understand the point of bbs's when I was a kid either
1133505;1431736872;mircea_popescu;;;google NFS share
1133506;1431736873;gribble;NFS - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System>; SettingUpNFSHowTo - Community Help Wiki: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo>; HOW TO: Share Windows Folders by Using Server for NFS: <http://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/324089>
1133507;1431736937;decimation;mircea_popescu: nfs is a method of exporting a filesystem over tcp
1133508;1431736944;decimation;like cifs
1133509;1431736948;mircea_popescu;aha.
1133510;1431736990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135950 @ 0.00028837 = 39.2039 BTC [+] {3} 
1133511;1431737002;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/599142779160109057 << you going BingoBoingo ? :D
1133512;1431737060;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, maybe eventually.
1133513;1431737143;copypaste;Why was your Twitter suspended, mircea_popescu?
1133514;1431737143;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/599052089038274560 ajhahaha ok that was pretty good.
1133515;1431737150;copypaste;I tried to follow you
1133516;1431737165;mircea_popescu;copypaste i killed some guy.
1133517;1431737167;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/
1133518;1431737227;copypaste;I see.
1133519;1431737227;trinque;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201504.txt.asc
1133520;1431737287;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1133521;1431737287;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, a year later he actually is pretty well dead, as far as these things go.
1133522;1431737287;copypaste;Yep, haven't heard of him in a while. When his buddy Andressen tried to be relevant again everyone just laughed at him until he gave on his hard fork idea.
1133523;1431737319;mircea_popescu;i kinda miss the old derpage days. used to have a bitcoin jesus, now all we get is some obscure godfather pedo.
1133524;1431737336;copypaste;Most of them went out of business.
1133525;1431737340;williamdunne;Roger Ver isn't dead
1133526;1431737354;mircea_popescu;so what's he doing, selling wet fireworks ?
1133527;1431737397;williamdunne;You'd have to ask him, invested in some okay-ish companies
1133528;1431737409;williamdunne;Being paid to speak at conferences and such
1133529;1431737528;williamdunne;Don't think he's ever done much more than that though, has he? Other than a shop or summin
1133530;1431737558;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3399 ah man, the lulzmine cave-in
1133531;1431737618;mircea_popescu;williamdunne a lot of posturing originally, also the famous incident of using his blockchain.info credentials to spy on random people.
1133532;1431737627;williamdunne;Mmm wasn't random, but yeah that wasn't the smartest move
1133533;1431737639;williamdunne;He seems pretty okay to me, not met him in person but tbh I'd like to
1133534;1431737654;copypaste;If you want real lulz, read them trying to process payments: https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3415
1133535;1431737714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 295429 @ 0.00027439 = 81.0628 BTC [-] {2} 
1133536;1431737714;williamdunne;Even if not doing anything that interesting, seems nice enough
1133537;1431737714;copypaste;Absolutely hopeless, lmao
1133538;1431737714;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/0t6LXe6.png muh shitty banner
1133539;1431737774;copypaste;"
1133540;1431737774;copypaste;I can't access the tables via psql. Are we running this on a backup?
1133541;1431737774;copypaste;"No, not running on a backup."
1133542;1431737774;mircea_popescu;williamdunne we dun have to like/dislike the same people yo.
1133543;1431737774;cazalla;was gonna title it "local milfs need bitcoin news" or something
1133544;1431737774;williamdunne;cazalla: do it
1133545;1431737774;mircea_popescu;cazalla wait are those she-garza shots ?
1133546;1431737774;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I know, doesn't stop it from being discussed
1133547;1431737775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30492 @ 0.00027358 = 8.342 BTC [-]
1133548;1431737775;cazalla;mircea_popescu, lol no just ripped from some porno banner
1133549;1431737775;mircea_popescu;isn't that too meta ?!
1133550;1431737782;trinque;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201504.txt.asc
1133551;1431737842;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1133552;1431737842;mircea_popescu;!s just did whatever
1133553;1431737843;assbot;3 results for 'just did whatever' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=just+did+whatever
1133554;1431737843;cazalla;yeah prob, lemme think it over a bit more
1133555;1431737843;*;mircea_popescu is kind-of curious who's gonna be the bitcoin warhole.
1133556;1431737843;trinque;jurov: I dicked it up messing with it and it made a new sqlite db nobody further down the assembly line cared about
1133557;1431737843;trinque;that'll go out at the hour
1133558;1431737843;williamdunne;I've got a thang working on my wordpress that'll display my WoT rep, but for some reason w.b-a.link only accepts a connection every hour or so
1133559;1431738129;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [00:01] http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1048m3cVm1rqclrto1_1280.jpg << ah, those old style heating elements. pretty much every single room in eastern europe / european russia had one of those. EXACTLY like that one. << the one in my boyhood room had a fancy metal box over it!
1133560;1431738189;mircea_popescu;only-one-heating-element.jpg
1133561;1431738260;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3081890/If-people-beauty-inside-models-world-syndrome-Meet-inspiring-young-woman-genetic-condition-determined-change-face-beauty.html
1133562;1431738320;mircea_popescu;noty
1133563;1431738320;ben_vulpes;mwell it wasn't a full armspan, more like half
1133564;1431738341;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i just meant, apparently the whole world was long ago united by the heating element unicity
1133565;1431738370;ben_vulpes;steam, the once-universal tech
1133566;1431738380;ben_vulpes;i've harped on its wondrous properties before
1133567;1431738428;trinque;oh man, downsy swimsuit pics
1133568;1431738431;trinque;brutal
1133569;1431738537;mircea_popescu;"That name might sound familiar to you and that is because that's the imageboard full of suicidal virgins that Zoe Quinn accused of harassing her to try and promote her game. Which was ironic because this led to people trolling a forum full of suicidal people in the name of promoting a game about dealing with depression. Even more funny is the fact that Zoe faked the whole thing for attention after a troll from the CWC
1133570;1431738537;mircea_popescu;ki forum made a single post about her there"
1133571;1431738544;BingoBoingo;trinque: Still better than the hamplanets who blame their genetics. i.imgur.com/dl09rDa.png
1133572;1431738553;mircea_popescu;this has to come back to lizards and the jews doing 9/11 somehow
1133573;1431738577;trinque;BingoBoingo: ahaha "ham planet"
1133574;1431738588;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
1133575;1431738616;williamdunne;If people could see that beauty is on the inside then most of the models in the world would have Down syndrome <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Oh dear jesus. Too dumb to be dicks?
1133576;1431738638;trinque;inb4 downs sextape
1133577;1431738695;mircea_popescu;downs sextrape
1133578;1431738736;williamdunne;Going downs on stepdad 3
1133579;1431738746;mircea_popescu;ahahaha ow shit lmao
1133580;1431738758;trinque;!b 5
1133581;1431738759;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2958KRQ.txt )
1133582;1431739084;williamdunne;http://thethug.life/reputation/
1133583;1431739151;mircea_popescu;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/M00t's_GamerGate_Sellout << check it out, anjiecast leads ed article on 4chan gamergate something something.
1133584;1431739211;ben_vulpes;;;seen princessnell
1133585;1431739211;gribble;princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 31 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 36 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <princessnell> oh the andreas vid
1133586;1431739211;ben_vulpes;!rated princessnell
1133587;1431739211;assbot;You rated user princessnell on 12-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: coulda been a contender..
1133588;1431739219;ben_vulpes;;;rated princessnell
1133589;1431739219;gribble;You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 02:00:30 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: first princess of bitcoin.
1133590;1431739229;ben_vulpes;;;rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender...
1133591;1431739229;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1133592;1431739240;ben_vulpes;ah right
1133593;1431739244;ben_vulpes;;;eauth ben_vulpes
1133594;1431739246;gribble;Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~benkay@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
1133595;1431739274;ben_vulpes;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:37497d8d9e14489bc7b139047464ad7b6c23367f30dbd8fd4435768d
1133596;1431739275;gribble;You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
1133597;1431739284;ben_vulpes;;;rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender...
1133598;1431739285;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 2 to 1.
1133599;1431739606;williamdunne;Some redditor seems to have outsourced their insults.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc&feature=youtu.be
1133600;1431739727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79961 @ 0.00029014 = 23.1999 BTC [+]
1133601;1431740100;BingoBoingo;So, 11 year plan on track still. Did pushups today until I couldn't a few times and then wrapped my hands and practiced jabs on the locust tree outback (Iron pole idea did not last very long in practice)
1133602;1431740182;williamdunne;Find a friend and beat the shit out of each other
1133603;1431740191;williamdunne;Also, what on earth is this..
1133604;1431740191;williamdunne;https://twitter.com/BTCarchitect/status/599338347602026496
1133605;1431740282;mircea_popescu;the word is attention whoring.
1133606;1431740293;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: I think you underestimate the challenge of getting my chainsmoking, heavy drinking ass into shape for that step.
1133607;1431740300;mircea_popescu;you know, like how women name their ugly spawn "obama" or w/e
1133608;1431740341;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Easier than it sounds if you have an equally unhealthy friend
1133609;1431740366;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: That kind tend to be averse to the idea of being punched though.
1133610;1431740372;ben_vulpes;oh pete_dushenski wasn't kidding about the mpex hike
1133611;1431740387;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I'm really just trying to work out how a bent triangle relates to bitcoin
1133612;1431740407;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: Get em' drunk first? Maybe that goes against the point of getting healthy
1133613;1431740410;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Of course he wasn't didn;t you read the qntra today
1133614;1431740414;mircea_popescu;through the "author"s misplaced expectation that making such a claim will promote his production
1133615;1431740496;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: That sounds like a great way to get sued for all of the nothing I have.
1133616;1431740524;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: If your friends would sue you for that you need to get better friends
1133617;1431740585;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: scoop's down! how'm i to know
1133618;1431740591;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Sure, but you forget that while drunk it is easy to make best friends
1133619;1431740604;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I check for scoop, I drop linkies
1133620;1431740623;williamdunne;Assbot has temporarily taken over scoop functions
1133621;1431740637;trinque;neh deedbot- did, and I was mostly just seeing if the feeds plugin worked
1133622;1431740642;williamdunne;*deedbot
1133623;1431740645;williamdunne;Ah okay
1133624;1431740661;williamdunne;Well as said, once my pay comes in tomorrow I'll stick scoop up on a server
1133625;1431740672;mircea_popescu;so wait is deedbot scooping now ?
1133626;1431740695;trinque;mircea_popescu: I added trilema and contravex, and yeah I think it's working
1133627;1431740701;mircea_popescu;williamdunne you can have a cpanel acct if it helps you
1133628;1431740705;trinque;barfed out the last five of each
1133629;1431740719;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Thanks but no thanks, compiled code
1133630;1431740765;BingoBoingo;Wow, the cpissel rejectionism here
1133631;1431740771;mircea_popescu;:D
1133632;1431740789;*;mircea_popescu is kinda too lazy to set up a different server sharing scheme
1133633;1431740814;williamdunne;BingoBoingo: I attended a college for a short while, I was recording all of my work on a cpanel server. Had about a years worth of stuff on it when it fucked up
1133634;1431740823;trinque;imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set
1133635;1431740825;trinque;lol
1133636;1431740827;BingoBoingo;Eh, cpanel's kinda the shared server standard
1133637;1431740884;williamdunne;The biggest problem with shared servers is that so often they are ridiculously underpowered and its hard to tell before you do so
1133638;1431740891;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3GCHCR9 << this is pretty lulzy. reads just like the glbse thing to me.
1133639;1431740951;BingoBoingo;trinque: Then what are man and /etc/ for?
1133640;1431740951;williamdunne;Not to mention 300 malware sites sharing your IP
1133641;1431740951;mircea_popescu;so 4chan is a gawker subsidiary now ?
1133642;1431740951;trinque;BingoBoingo: I "bashops" but there's no excuse for not having something whereby you can make configuration something you bundle and give a name, reuse
1133643;1431740951;williamdunne;DigitalOcean however lets you stick up a cheap ass VPS for what, $5 a month and you can auto setup wordpress. If you can't work out how to do the initial basic step with SSH you have no business running a website
1133644;1431740951;BingoBoingo;trinque: Sure there is, it is called a /etc/ fileset
1133645;1431740960;trinque;yeah that sucks ass; we have way better tools for code
1133646;1431740968;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Lesser than that.
1133647;1431740985;mircea_popescu;well no, because gawker being broke obviously there's nowhere less to go.
1133648;1431740990;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Halfchan is now a gawker intern subsidiary
1133649;1431740994;ben_vulpes;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/wolf-richter-why-the-heck-is-the-trucking-business-slowing-down.html
1133650;1431741054;mircea_popescu;lol ok ok
1133651;1431741054;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes meth getting to expensive ?
1133652;1431741054;*;ben_vulpes wouldn't know, is on an apparently decade-long hiatus from atomderping
1133653;1431741075;mircea_popescu;[9/18/14 12:08 AM] moot: This meeting is one of the most important we've ever had, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE HERE
1133654;1431741078;mircea_popescu;top kek
1133655;1431741399;mircea_popescu;ahahah moot got petrified because... cracked sent him an email ?
1133656;1431741413;mircea_popescu;who gives an everloving fuck about cracked. i don't even answer their emails.
1133657;1431741420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79358 @ 0.00027358 = 21.7108 BTC [-]
1133658;1431741448;mircea_popescu;they can show up in here like the sec and everyone else.
1133659;1431741490;BingoBoingo;WTF would cracked even email about
1133660;1431741550;mircea_popescu;i dun read them, either.
1133661;1431741553;*;mircea_popescu off to eat
1133662;1431741664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89300 @ 0.00027089 = 24.1905 BTC [-] {3} 
1133663;1431741949;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133634 << it's more related to folks with mania washing hands 17 times in a row
1133664;1431741949;assbot;Logged on 16-05-2015 01:47:03; trinque: imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set
1133665;1431741966;*;asciilifeform does not suffer from either affliction, is in fact almost terminally lazy
1133666;1431742315;trinque;/etc is abominable suck, akin to every shitty scripting language coming up with their unique snowflake of syntax for the same things
1133667;1431742378;trinque;makes it absolutely impossible to interrogate it for 'everything which makes reference to the hostname db.foo.baz'
1133668;1431742552;trinque;when I say everything I mean "what are the services which will care about this change" not "what config files have this string"
1133669;1431742624;trinque;maybe you want to reload those services after changing the db they use
1133670;1431742647;trinque;trivial query over relational data
1133671;1431743537;BingoBoingo;Maybe nothing material unless you are rebuilding the whole machine? DB's are just slaves with more shit in their linen
1133672;1431743627;trinque;they're slaves which are very careful with their tasks, and which save their masters the trouble of repeating trivialities needlessly
1133673;1431743641;trinque;as it stands my email program has to have logic about 'what if I didn't open an e-mail'
1133674;1431743809;trinque;wouldn't it be nice to simply declare the structure of an e-mail, and know that anything acting upon anything which claims to be an e-mail is going to be of a given structure?
1133675;1431743826;trinque;furthermore the separation of the data from any particular program allows many programs to all diddle the same data happily in concert
1133676;1431743840;trinque;seems entirely called-for in systems programming
1133677;1431743871;mod6;~<+mircea_popescu> mod6 https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << might need a few reloads, but teh republican banners, they're there. << hey thanks! they look great! :]
1133678;1431743931;williamdunne;https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431684583530.jpg
1133679;1431743991;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform why don't we throw out the mailing list and move to 8chan? <+asciilifeform> jurov: move to 8chan? << share the lsd ? << as much as the turdolator has been a pain for jurov, I've kinda grown fond of it.  however, I'm open to discuss it a bit if we can figure out a scheme inwhich it would work.  mainly, ive just never been very into bbs.
1133680;1431744003;mats;today i bought an iphone 5s to hack on
1133681;1431744008;mats;am excite
1133682;1431744020;asciilifeform;i emphatically disagree with anything which allows unsigned crud from unknowns
1133683;1431744027;asciilifeform;for purposes of therealbitcoin
1133684;1431744030;asciilifeform;but i'm not the mod
1133685;1431744043;mod6;yeah, im not sure how we'd block posts from people like we do with mailman
1133686;1431744054;asciilifeform;the l2 thing is the one true filter.
1133687;1431744061;mod6;^
1133688;1431744073;asciilifeform;it obsoletes all other spam filtration and membership mechanisms
1133689;1431744104;asciilifeform;and i am also not clear on why we would want to move from a box adminned by an l1 man in good standing to some random thing shared with a million bozos
1133690;1431744143;asciilifeform;but again i'm not therealbitcoin. if mod6 and ben_vulpes wish to move to 4chan, 8chan, 4096chan - up to them
1133691;1431744154;asciilifeform;(though i'd really enjoy hearing some rationale as to why they did this)
1133692;1431744157;mats;lol
1133693;1431744204;mod6;haha, agree. and like i said `if we can figure out a scheme inwhich it would work', and that would imply that it would have to somehow work better than what currently ``works''.
1133694;1431744237;mod6;so, basically, no.  i'd like to keep our current ramshackle.
1133695;1431744250;*;asciilifeform gives up the would-have-been-very-spiffy fanless 486 he bought, for dead. no output on any port. damnation.
1133696;1431744305;mod6;you're not just going to re solder all the outputs?
1133697;1431744335;asciilifeform;unless vendor lied, it's likely been cracked (in pcb) in shipping
1133698;1431744349;mod6;ah :/
1133699;1431744371;asciilifeform;woulda been a nifty thing - 12 inch across, square, solid steel case, 1 isa slot, no fans.
1133700;1431744383;asciilifeform;fucking fans. been searching for a fanless 486 for years.
1133701;1431744392;asciilifeform;(properly fanless, incl. power block)
1133702;1431744436;mod6;hmm, i had a PB back in like 94 that was like a P1 -- had heatsink only.  might have had a case fan tho.
1133703;1431744452;asciilifeform;most 486 lacked cpu fan
1133704;1431744457;asciilifeform;but had case and ps fans
1133705;1431744488;asciilifeform;(and were quite large physically.)
1133706;1431744528;mod6;back then they built that stuff to last.
1133707;1431744552;asciilifeform;shipping, apparently, kills even it.
1133708;1431744555;mod6;well.. the disks didn't usually fair so well, but. yeah.
1133709;1431744559;asciilifeform;no disk in this one
1133710;1431744565;asciilifeform;solid-state (yes, rare) on mb
1133711;1431744570;asciilifeform;all 4mb of it
1133712;1431744588;mod6;huh. yeah, maybe you got scammed?
1133713;1431744594;asciilifeform;not impossible
1133714;1431744613;asciilifeform;fella has other machines just like it for sale. and takes returns
1133715;1431744652;mod6;ah, yea. send it back, get yourself a working relic.
1133716;1431744721;asciilifeform;fool shipped this 'relic' in a thin cardboard box scarcely larger than machine, via usps.
1133717;1431744725;asciilifeform;hence brick.
1133718;1431744730;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> shipping, apparently, kills even it. << As time goes on this issue will continue to become problematic as boards become more brittle
1133719;1431744747;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i was told by dks in no uncertain terms that lisp machine can never be mailed.
1133720;1431744750;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> fool shipped this 'relic' in a thin cardboard box scarcely larger than machine, via usps. << What the fuck
1133721;1431744775;mod6;oh no. yeah, it was probably thrown up and down, left and right.  gotta have a solid box & styrofoam enclosures.
1133722;1431744784;asciilifeform;(at one point, he was willing to crate'em up for a princely sum, and ship. but after several DOA he quit.)
1133723;1431744794;BingoBoingo;I get the 486 isn't quite a rarity yet, but damn
1133724;1431744803;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: -this one- is a rarity
1133725;1431744809;asciilifeform;fanless and 12x12x2inch.
1133726;1431744853;BingoBoingo;Ah
1133727;1431744855;mod6;asciilifeform is gonna be like the guy in cryptonomicon who has the technology museum
1133728;1431744867;asciilifeform;mod6: i don't collect antiques for the sake of antiques
1133729;1431744874;asciilifeform;what i own - i use (or at least, did once use)
1133730;1431744901;asciilifeform;(the lisp machine, will probably feature in my peine forte et dure)
1133731;1431744906;mod6;just as a pre-lizard-hitler fabrication that still works kinda thing?
1133732;1431744911;asciilifeform;no
1133733;1431744914;asciilifeform;for specific purposes
1133734;1431744938;mod6;cool
1133735;1431744948;asciilifeform;http://dl.tufts.edu/catalog/tufts:MS004.002.006.DO01.00028
1133736;1431745008;asciilifeform;^ Peine Forte et Dure.
1133737;1431745008;*;mod6 fires up lynx
1133738;1431745008;asciilifeform;l0l
1133739;1431745056;mod6;haha, what's on his chest? sushi rolls?
1133740;1431745092;asciilifeform;standard weights, presumably
1133741;1431745111;mod6;ah ha
1133742;1431745129;mod6;``Strong and Tough Sentence''
1133743;1431745134;asciilifeform;peine forte et dure - was not an execution, as such
1133744;1431745165;mod6;thought it was just like some occult dining ritual
1133745;1431745169;asciilifeform;it was a procedure for folks who refused to plead (submit to the jurisdiction of the court. formerly, english courts could only try folks who 'agreed' to be tried)
1133746;1431745195;mod6;ah
1133747;1431745197;asciilifeform;sometimes, 'agreement' required some... persuasion.
1133748;1431745205;mircea_popescu;no idea how  that could un-become being the case.
1133749;1431745229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps they ran out of good weights
1133750;1431745261;mod6;thats when they call in the MOAR.jpg cake eating chick to sit on his face.
1133751;1431745359;mircea_popescu;lol
1133752;1431745368;asciilifeform;lucky if only sit!
1133753;1431745426;asciilifeform;(fans of 'forte et dure' will love neal stephenson's mega-backbreaker-yarn 'baroque cycle', where an entire chapter is devoted to it)
1133754;1431745571;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 486 was, i admit, because i wanted to play a bit of games again.
1133755;1431745582;asciilifeform;after decade+
1133756;1431745625;asciilifeform;(and '3d studio' aha)
1133757;1431745636;mod6;remember kings quest? that was a 486 game iirc
1133758;1431745660;asciilifeform;mod6: i have a mega-warez-set of -all- of sierra works (incl. that series) waiting for the day that never comes.
1133759;1431745674;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No shame in that
1133760;1431745705;asciilifeform;(on that day, i have 1) fanless 486 2) with genuine 'sound blaster 64' 3) trinitron 4) free time.)
1133761;1431745712;mod6;asciilifeform: ahh, cool, well, hopefully you'll get to play 'em again
1133762;1431745719;asciilifeform;perhaps after the war.
1133763;1431745725;mod6;there you go
1133764;1431745759;mod6;speaking of which... is nosuchlabs.com down?
1133765;1431745777;asciilifeform;mod6: very much
1133766;1431745782;asciilifeform;mod6: box went awol
1133767;1431745788;asciilifeform;so far no word from boxmeisters.
1133768;1431745801;mod6;ah, ok. thought /maybe/ i saw that in the log.
1133769;1431745821;mod6;was just gonna check on the phuctor stats
1133770;1431745834;mod6;thing was cranking through the keys nicely.
1133771;1431745837;asciilifeform;mod6: what you probably saw was me bitching at mircea_popescu (through whom i have this box)
1133772;1431745850;asciilifeform;and it was actually in snarf-only mode when it fell down
1133773;1431745877;mod6;ah. well it got bored maybe.
1133774;1431745879;*;asciilifeform bbl
1133775;1431746056;mod6;im getting closer to my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE perf full bc sync baseline being finished; currently on block 304969 -- it did oomkill today though, and didn't see it for like 8-9 hours :/
1133776;1431746157;mod6;there will be some flat lines in the charts, but should still be able to get some sort of picture showing us the diff in network traf & other utilization metrics.
1133777;1431746220;mod6;After this one is done, I was going to run a vanilla v0.5.3 to get a baseline from that as well.  And I will do that, but did remember that it /does/ at least require the db patch to achieve full sync.
1133778;1431746241;mircea_popescu;i dsunno, tis being looked into
1133779;1431746245;decimation;asciilifeform: I couldn't find any of your fanless thin clients on ebay
1133780;1431746256;decimation;ebay's selection of old electronics seems to thin daily
1133781;1431746256;mod6;Then I can compare and contrast and work with ben on a writeup for qntra
1133782;1431746533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 335200 @ 0.00027011 = 90.5409 BTC [-] {3} 
1133783;1431746674;mircea_popescu;prety cool mod6
1133784;1431746748;mod6;thx. :]
1133785;1431746787;mod6;``That's one small step for man, one giant leap for every, complaining, son of a bitch on the face of the Earth.'' << lol!
1133786;1431746940;mod6;they have McBucks now 'eh?  During february, clown-burger up here actually let you pay in ``hugs''.
1133787;1431747080;mircea_popescu;"In 2010, Poole was reported to have raised $625,000 to create a new online enterprise, Canvas. The web site opened on January 31, 2011, and features digitally modified images uploaded by users who are required to self-identify using Facebook Connect. In January 2014, Poole announced that Canvas, and its DrawQuest feature, would be going out of business."
1133788;1431747081;mircea_popescu;win.
1133789;1431747143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.0002717 = 5.0265 BTC [+]
1133790;1431747326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176967 @ 0.0002717 = 48.0819 BTC [+]
1133791;1431747811;mod6;Speaking of Blazing Saddles... that movie is so damn funny.  I must have watched it 20x as a kid.  But what's interesting was recently I heard/read about these "Animal Trials" in Europe during the middle-ages.  Makes me think of that part where they're hanging that guy AND his horse. lol
1133792;1431747926;trinque;I'm a huge Mel Brooks fan, was pleased to see him come up on Trilema
1133793;1431747937;mod6;yeah same :]
1133794;1431748058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33475 @ 0.0002717 = 9.0952 BTC [+]
1133795;1431748283;adlai;nick said...
1133796;1431748285;adlai;I miswrote: All this is more wasteful than gold mining.
1133797;1431748287;adlai;Ha ha! That was supposed to read "no more wasteful than gold mining."
1133798;1431748315;adlai;( http://unenumerated.blogspot.co.il/2008/04/bit-gold-markets.html#c2895881719135531091 )
1133799;1431748440;Namworld;[20:19] <+mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431734890584.jpg << is this the Namworld household ?
1133800;1431748500;Namworld;That's too much cats. One is enough for me.
1133801;1431748505;Namworld;I'd probably wouldn't keep a computer open like that or let kittens in it...
1133802;1431749049;mod6;insane dipshit madlibs is right.
1133803;1431749074;mod6;+1 for hanbot's "Narf" - pinky & the brain ref.
1133804;1431749144;hanbot;poit!
1133805;1431749354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275850 @ 0.00026818 = 73.9775 BTC [-] {2} 
1133806;1431749720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153550 @ 0.00027291 = 41.9053 BTC [+]
1133807;1431750140;mod6;haha
1133808;1431750757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10786 @ 0.00026748 = 2.885 BTC [-]
1133809;1431752862;cazalla;gee i got scammed at the nursery, sold a plant with DRM (PBR)
1133810;1431752953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219700 @ 0.00027421 = 60.2439 BTC [+] {3} 
1133811;1431752954;mircea_popescu;take it back!
1133812;1431753094;cazalla;too late as i've already potted it up, but at least i learned about this plant breeders rights rubbish.. guess i'll have some cutting warez in a few years time
1133813;1431753119;cazalla;who would've thought you can have a cracked copy of a tree
1133814;1431753149;mircea_popescu;so this entire moot-Mallory Blair Greitzer thing reads a lot like, skank fucking raid leader for jools.
1133815;1431753188;mircea_popescu;which i think happens about 9k times a year, just, usually nobody outside of the guild forum gives a shit
1133816;1431753323;cazalla;meh cuckchan died long before that anyway
1133817;1431753546;mircea_popescu;anyway, i've had a decent chuckle reading the reports pushed by people scrambling to cope with my brusque, sudden, unexpected movements.
1133818;1431753559;mircea_popescu;to quote a random derp, "for instance - military strategy"
1133819;1431753930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135228 @ 0.00026526 = 35.8706 BTC [-] {3} 
1133820;1431754009;decimation;heh "Blizzard Entertainment has banned ?a large number? of World of Warcraft accounts after finding that they were using bots, or ?third-party programs that automate gameplay? according to a company post. "
1133821;1431754030;decimation;rpgs are full of bots! the horror!
1133822;1431754041;mircea_popescu;lol
1133823;1431754046;cazalla;decimation, welcome to 10 years ago
1133824;1431754089;cazalla;i had a few extra accounts i used with wowglider to mine ore and herbs
1133825;1431754096;decimation;apparently they banned "a large number" of accounts http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985
1133826;1431754156;cazalla;reads as the standard announcement they've been making for years now
1133827;1431754168;decimation;cazalla: I got to think thaw wow is losing popularity
1133828;1431754176;decimation;it would be interesting to know the actual revenue figures
1133829;1431754193;cazalla;the sub numbers are out there, it peaked like 5 years ago
1133830;1431754208;cazalla;i quit after wotlk but i was a day one nov 2004 player so..
1133831;1431754239;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133775 << no one noticed this detail !?!?!
1133832;1431754239;assbot;Logged on 16-05-2015 03:14:16; mod6: im getting closer to my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE perf full bc sync baseline being finished; currently on block 304969 -- it did oomkill today though, and didn't see it for like 8-9 hours :/
1133833;1431754250;decimation;you gotta think that at some point the thing flips and blizzard would welcome chinese farmers
1133834;1431754250;asciilifeform;so it -doesn't- run in constant space.
1133835;1431754271;asciilifeform;-nor- has any detectable (through the usual automatic means, e.g. valgrind) leaks.
1133836;1431754284;cazalla;decimation, they allow gold buying/seller for game time in recent months
1133837;1431754311;asciilifeform;mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill
1133838;1431754325;cazalla;they game is fucking long dead though.. it made everything fair so that all players are equal.. seriously.. why even bother playing an mmorpg then if i can't grief the fuck out of people with my rare sword and mount
1133839;1431754326;asciilifeform;incl., if you have it, a core dump
1133840;1431754341;cazalla;that game.. i swear i have brain damage from alcohol :\
1133841;1431754362;asciilifeform;this goes for anyone else who got oomkill with orphanage-thermonuke specifically, on a box with ad libitum ram
1133842;1431754409;decimation;asciilifeform: on another project I've been chasing an oomkill that happens ... when acpi is turned on
1133843;1431754426;asciilifeform;l0lwut
1133844;1431754433;asciilifeform;reliably?
1133845;1431754461;decimation;asciilifeform: absolutely
1133846;1431754485;decimation;I've still not gotten to the bottom of it, but my point is that the kernel could also be at fault
1133847;1431754490;decimation;and/or hardware batshit
1133848;1431754508;asciilifeform;decimation: take that machine out to the boonies and use for target practice.
1133849;1431754533;decimation;would love to
1133850;1431754672;decimation;asciilifeform: it's really hard to find detailed specs for all the shitty thin terms out there
1133851;1431754692;asciilifeform;decimation: mostly low-end p1s
1133852;1431754709;asciilifeform;of very little interest, even historical kind
1133853;1431754722;asciilifeform;and you won't find one with isa slot.
1133854;1431754746;asciilifeform;(before anyone asks, i fucking hate 'dosbox' emulator)
1133855;1431754746;decimation;why do you need isa??
1133856;1431754754;decimation;hehe yeah that makes sense
1133857;1431754756;asciilifeform;for the sb64 of course
1133858;1431754768;decimation;heh.  I still remember my old soundblaster
1133859;1431754776;decimation;I think i trashed it years ago
1133860;1431754787;decimation;you can never get the timing right one emulators
1133861;1431754813;asciilifeform;it is theoretically possible to get the sound right. but never happened, and i doubt - ever will
1133862;1431754814;*;decimation remembers playing space quest on his 8088
1133863;1431754827;decimation;with - cga graphics
1133864;1431754856;decimation;I remember thinking as a kid 'why would you not always have the turbo button activated?'
1133865;1431754879;asciilifeform;decimation: 'turbo' on my old boxes, it turned out, just disabled l2 cache. the lamps lied to us.
1133866;1431754890;cazalla;did you have a keyboard lock on your tower? my old man tried that shit on me but some how i had the idea to open it up and remove cable
1133867;1431754894;asciilifeform;(mine had a set of led lamps which toggled number, supposedly cpu clock, from '40' to '10')
1133868;1431754914;asciilifeform;had keyboard lock, but misplaced key almost immediately after we got it
1133869;1431754928;asciilifeform;had thought 'who in his right mind would lock'
1133870;1431754950;cazalla;parents
1133871;1431754954;asciilifeform;lol
1133872;1431755063;decimation;as I recall it was an epson apex http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102633612
1133873;1431755123;decimation;assbot is dead?
1133874;1431755123;decimation;then later I got a 486DX from gateway
1133875;1431755160;decimation;I ran slackware on it for a little while, kernel 1.2 as I recall
1133876;1431755195;decimation;I wish I would have met a neckbeard at that time who would have forced me to learn emacs
1133877;1431755916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278100 @ 0.00026285 = 73.0986 BTC [-] {3} 
1133878;1431757958;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm < menuetos hit 1.0 release
1133879;1431758309;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill << so just to reiterate here, the current perf test I'm running is with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE which oomkill'd (as it's known to do).  I'll post the nmon charts, log, and vmstat log.  no core file was created.  However, as a reminder, the previous perf test that I ran with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch}(http://thebitcoin.foun
1133880;1431758377;mod6;Addtionally, I 100% agree, if anyone else should test either of these and capture anything surrounding the OOMKILL either in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE or a patched version of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, please let us know.
1133881;1431758515;mod6;Once I have all the baseline perf metrics collected, I'll be making a posting about it and will publish the data.
1133882;1431758831;Namworld;They turned web traffic into fireworks. "The attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber attacks by bad actors."
1133883;1431758840;Namworld;http://map.ipviking.com/
1133884;1431759144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239729 @ 0.00026243 = 62.9121 BTC [-] {4} 
1133885;1431760730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213063 @ 0.00026904 = 57.3225 BTC [+] {2} 
1133886;1431761653;cazalla;well, slow west is a shitty movie let alone a western
1133887;1431762438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 261469 @ 0.00026078 = 68.1859 BTC [-] {2} 
1133888;1431762499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 197731 @ 0.00025851 = 51.1154 BTC [-] {3} 
1133889;1431764329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93914 @ 0.00026122 = 24.5322 BTC [+]
1133890;1431764817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159520 @ 0.00026833 = 42.804 BTC [+] {3} 
1133891;1431767623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66553 @ 0.00027424 = 18.2515 BTC [+]
1133892;1431768538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157880 @ 0.00027555 = 43.5038 BTC [+] {3} 
1133893;1431768844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191592 @ 0.00027668 = 53.0097 BTC [+] {2} 
1133894;1431770673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212878 @ 0.00027237 = 57.9816 BTC [-] {2} 
1133895;1431771100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00025614 = 29.3536 BTC [-]
1133896;1431772020;jurov;http://imgur.com/OVvSEKA
1133897;1431772385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17222 @ 0.00026831 = 4.6208 BTC [+]
1133898;1431774354;mircea_popescu;!up cherrry
1133899;1431774358;mircea_popescu;!up Jrum
1133900;1431777265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51975 @ 0.00028214 = 14.6642 BTC [+]
1133901;1431777509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00028214 = 3.4985 BTC [+]
1133902;1431778119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152452 @ 0.00028084 = 42.8146 BTC [-] {2} 
1133903;1431778546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71963 @ 0.00028319 = 20.3792 BTC [+]
1133904;1431779180;mircea_popescu;!up styuio
1133905;1431779183;mircea_popescu;!up Monetaio
1133906;1431779805;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls http://live.coinbr.com/images/coinroll_728x90.png -> https://coinroll.com/?r=99
1133907;1431779926;jurov;and http://live.coinbr.com/images/coinbr_hauls_728x90.png -
1133908;1431779986;jurov;-> https://coinbr.com
1133909;1431780046;jurov;since one double cherry truck is too few!
1133910;1431781571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00028319 = 1.0336 BTC [+]
1133911;1431781696;mircea_popescu;!up wiz
1133912;1431781753;mircea_popescu;over here wiz.
1133913;1431781813;wiz;I've been reading your website recently, your blog articles are great
1133914;1431781819;wiz;Roger Ver first told me about your exchange a few weeks ago, I've been reading your site in my spare time since then
1133915;1431781833;mircea_popescu;cool.
1133916;1431781841;mircea_popescu;anything in particular ?
1133917;1431781846;wiz;and I'm listening to this video now, that's how I heard about the channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWgPpDRo9AQ
1133918;1431781906;wiz;well, I really like the concept of "unregistered corporations"
1133919;1431781906;mircea_popescu;wait, someone made a youtube about b-a ?
1133920;1431781906;wiz;well he mentioned the channel several times so far in the presentation
1133921;1431781929;mircea_popescu;pretty cool
1133922;1431781986;wiz;it occured to me that once underground markets master the art of operatings as "unregistered corporations", they will be at a huge competitive advantage to state-registered corporations
1133923;1431782002;wiz;and eventually, corporations will migrate to being unregistered, to remain competitive
1133924;1431782040;wiz;i mean, not paying tax to the state, or being restricted by their regulations, etc. is a huge competitive advantage in any market, white or black
1133925;1431782100;mircea_popescu;kinda the idea.
1133926;1431782224;mircea_popescu;jurov you're live
1133927;1431783065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38644 @ 0.00027787 = 10.738 BTC [-] {2} 
1133928;1431783753;jurov;mircea_popescu: jolly good
1133929;1431783842;jurov;copypaste: the banners are truncated on bottom/right :-/
1133930;1431783867;jurov;both in ff and chrome
1133931;1431783955;jurov;and i can§t get the coinbr one to show
1133932;1431783996;copypaste;I see why. Your HTML output should make sure to have no page margin. The image must be right in the top left hand corner of the browser.
1133933;1431784025;copypaste;I didn't notice it because all the current ads fit.
1133934;1431784044;copypaste;I think that a style on the <body> tag like padding:0;margin:0 should fix it.
1133935;1431784060;copypaste;I can't do that on my end though, has to be done on the calling website (trilema.com).
1133936;1431784071;copypaste;Regarding not being able to add your own ad, only mircea_popescu can do that/knows how.
1133937;1431784114;jurov;i know. i like to fill the image as close to the border as possible
1133938;1431784153;jurov;just one of the things that causes seizures to my friend pro designer :)
1133939;1431784186;copypaste;Understood. Hopefully mircea will fix that when he wakes up. :) Need to put a <body> tag around the <a> tag, with style="padding:0;margin:0"
1133940;1431784192;copypaste;It's 10PM here so I'm headed off soon.
1133941;1431784197;copypaste;(well, ten minutes to)
1133942;1431784225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73482 @ 0.00027774 = 20.4089 BTC [-]
1133943;1431784256;jurov;bye!
1133944;1431784258;jurov;coinbr is there. so only the margins
1133945;1431784490;jurov;yes i can confirm setting body style="padding:0;margin:0;" in the iframe fixes it
1133946;1431785023;funkenstein_;a toy I have been working on called "coin-vote"
1133947;1431785069;funkenstein_;199.193.248.126:3000/
1133948;1431785096;funkenstein_;I leave a prototype here in hopes for feedback / being ripped to shreds / other
1133949;1431785277;funkenstein_;one sat, one vote
1133950;1431785491;funkenstein_;one coin one vote sounds cooler, but it's really a per satoshi kinda thing
1133951;1431787428;mircea_popescu;copypaste better nao ?
1133952;1431787432;mircea_popescu;jurov i actually saw both o' em
1133953;1431787457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32929 @ 0.00027769 = 9.1441 BTC [-] {2} 
1133954;1431787489;jurov;mircea_popescu yes, it's all OK now
1133955;1431787518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.0002767 = 1.6522 BTC [-]
1133956;1431787643;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431787597621.jpg problem ?
1133957;1431787703;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1133958;1431787876;mircea_popescu;"Welcome to my first tutorial. My nickname's 187 or Assassin. Right now I'm touching up on my Visual C++ skills and working on a game engine."
1133959;1431788014;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o btw dulap's back, magically.
1133960;1431789533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74613 @ 0.0002767 = 20.6454 BTC [-]
1133961;1431790326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210300 @ 0.00028319 = 59.5549 BTC [+]
1133962;1431790631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120755 @ 0.0002767 = 33.4129 BTC [-]
1133963;1431790936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00028319 = 1.0761 BTC [+]
1133964;1431791897;danielpbarron;!up teek who are you?
1133965;1431793681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22411 @ 0.0002767 = 6.2011 BTC [-]
1133966;1431794048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41283 @ 0.00027191 = 11.2253 BTC [-]
1133967;1431794779;funkenstein_;thanks for feedback..  hmm node.js causing problems fancy that
1133968;1431794802;funkenstein_;i had hopes this would be the project that tuned me into wtf node.js was all about
1133969;1431794810;funkenstein_;http://199.193.248.126:3000/#/polls  <--  perhaps better link
1133970;1431794871;funkenstein_;one person figured out how to vote, nice :)
1133971;1431794891;funkenstein_;meanwhile "what makes it page" by mertignetti arrives on my doorstep..  why on earth did i buy this?
1133972;1431795396;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: either mats or i recommended it ?
1133973;1431795405;asciilifeform;but it is a book for winblows reversers
1133974;1431795480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176286 @ 0.0002749 = 48.461 BTC [+] {3} 
1133975;1431795628;davout;asciilifeform: could you recommend a couple C books for the eager student?
1133976;1431795639;asciilifeform;davec: kernighan&richie, 'the c programming language'
1133977;1431795650;asciilifeform;is really the only book.
1133978;1431795660;asciilifeform;if you must also have another,
1133979;1431795694;asciilifeform;http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/138815/Linden_-_Expert_C_Programming:_Deep_C_Secrets.pdf
1133980;1431795754;asciilifeform;^ more historical and quirks sorta thing than language per se, but i still give it to beginners
1133981;1431795754;asciilifeform;these are the two books.
1133982;1431795754;davout;ok, i'll have a look ty
1133983;1431795754;asciilifeform;everything else, esp. the backbreakers with enormous print and oceans of whitespace that you will encounter at your local bookstore, is garbage
1133984;1431795846;davout;won't the first one miss some updates of the C standard?
1133985;1431795861;asciilifeform;davout: get the 2nd ed.
1133986;1431795883;davout;ok
1133987;1431795888;asciilifeform;davout: (not hard, because 1st ed. is virtually impossible to find. i actually preferred it, though, had better paper. and the differences are negligible)
1133988;1431795927;davout;asking because this one looks seems dated from '88 -> http://www.amazon.fr/Programming-Language-Brian-W-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431795705&sr=8-1&keywords=the+c+programming+language
1133989;1431795987;davout;ah, actually it *is* the second edition
1133990;1431795987;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, thnks :)
1133991;1431796019;*;danielpbarron adds another to the list -> http://danielpbarron.com/ascii_book_list.txt
1133992;1431796079;*;funkenstein_ bookmarks daneilpbarron's list
1133993;1431796109;asciilifeform;l0l
1133994;1431796201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82289 @ 0.00027122 = 22.3184 BTC [-]
1133995;1431796644;funkenstein_;bookfinder.com hasn't changed in like a decade and still rules
1133996;1431796651;asciilifeform;aha
1133997;1431796662;*;asciilifeform heavy user of bookfinder
1133998;1431796812;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ?
1133999;1431796813;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1134000;1431796845;asciilifeform;^ it is not expected to
1134001;1431797706;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133831 << my full node also died recently, many times. I had to restart it like 10 times in a day when it usually goes weeks without crashing
1134002;1431797706;assbot;Logged on 16-05-2015 05:30:39; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133775 << no one noticed this detail !?!?!
1134003;1431797742;danielpbarron;the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue
1134004;1431798349;jurov;!up Namworld
1134005;1431798616;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: thread concerned 0.5.3.1 with orphanage-thermonuke patch.
1134006;1431798629;asciilifeform;(not to be confused with much earlier orphanage burner patch)
1134007;1431798682;danielpbarron;i thought maybe the live network was getting spammed the other day or something; why all of a sudden my node keeps crashing?
1134008;1431799038;trinque;danielpbarron: I noticed deedbot's btcd node crashed the other day
1134009;1431799045;trinque;for the first time
1134010;1431799197;danielpbarron;aha!
1134011;1431800410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57950 @ 0.00028003 = 16.2277 BTC [+]
1134012;1431801445;mats;http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/DiogoGeraldini/aircraft-systems
1134013;1431802263;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ? << nope! it was pretty exciting to see it get all the way through full sync without oomkill.
1134014;1431802359;mod6;now, it'll be interesting to see the numbers i.e. network usage (among other utilization metrics) between full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{Orphanage_Thermonuke} & v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (currently running -- which also, as i was saying lastnight, already oom killed once)
1134015;1431802497;mod6;<+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
1134016;1431802694;asciilifeform;trinque, danielpbarron: this is interesting enough that it oughta go in the mailinglist
1134017;1431802730;asciilifeform;mod6: did you have a 'thermonuke' node going at the time of these events ?
1134018;1431802737;asciilifeform;which, as i understand - did not crash ?
1134019;1431802921;mod6;so yes, the first performance test was me running v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with Orphanage_Thermonuke patched in.  Performance test conducted with `vmstat 1` & `nmon -f s3 -c1000000`.  During this test the entire sync process completed without any oomkill.
1134020;1431802975;mod6;Now, currently, I'm running a very similar test with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (as a baseline) without your OrphanageThermonuke patch included... it did oomkill once, yesterday.
1134021;1431803027;asciilifeform;aha
1134022;1431803065;mod6;make sense?  i'll post all the data with a posting about the findings.
1134023;1431803092;mod6;well, actually, i'd post the orphanage-thermonuke patch test data now, but it's 113 mb of raw nmon captures.
1134024;1431803102;mod6;if you want it, just holler.
1134025;1431803139;asciilifeform;neato
1134026;1431803145;asciilifeform;consider posting the charts
1134027;1431803232;mod6;yup, will do.  the charts are actully posted from the first test already (http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/), I'll certainly post the results/charts from the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE when it's complete as well.
1134028;1431803265;mod6;we're getting closer, maybe 24 hours away; it's on block: 322683
1134029;1431803435;asciilifeform;mod6: the most interesting chart is memory/time
1134030;1431803457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87254 @ 0.00027866 = 24.3142 BTC [-]
1134031;1431803462;asciilifeform;(would have been best to measure only the bitcoind process)
1134032;1431803501;mod6;yeah, i'll have to figure out how to use either nmon or another tool to capture /just/ the bitcoind process.
1134033;1431803514;mod6;it's a work-in-progress
1134034;1431803518;mod6;:]
1134035;1431803585;mod6;it should be /fairly/ accurate as there isn't anything else running on this box.  just the usual: sshd/syslog/screen/cron ..
1134036;1431803611;asciilifeform;mod6: this is not the problem. the real issue is distinguishing disk-cache ram from process ram
1134037;1431803655;mod6;ah, ok.  i'll try to figure out how to capture that.
1134038;1431803712;mod6;im throwing that raw nmon file up there for you now, incase you wanna see it.
1134039;1431803716;mod6;just a sec.
1134040;1431803760;mod6;ok, it's in that same directory: 'nmon_bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE_plus_OrphanageThermonukePatch.txt'
1134041;1431803946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102924 @ 0.00027866 = 28.6808 BTC [-]
1134042;1431804899;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134015 << it's a full node, so whatever blockrange happened over the course of the last few days
1134043;1431804899;assbot;Logged on 16-05-2015 18:54:57; mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
1134044;1431804991;mod6;danielpbarron: what block are you on currently?
1134045;1431805066;danielpbarron;height=356716
1134046;1431805076;mod6;ah ok
1134047;1431805100;danielpbarron;and while checking numbers, my pogo is at height=352796
1134048;1431805592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25405 @ 0.00027164 = 6.901 BTC [-]
1134049;1431806568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9845 @ 0.00027164 = 2.6743 BTC [-]
1134050;1431807117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00027122 = 13.995 BTC [-]
1134051;1431808800;davout;https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#142 <<< this is going well
1134052;1431808860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49891 @ 0.00027138 = 13.5394 BTC [+]
1134053;1431809581;jurov;lmao "these advertisements are not very professionally made"
1134054;1431809849;mod6;lol, it was hard not to comment on that
1134055;1431811544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.00027058 = 19.8741 BTC [-] {2} 
1134056;1431812314;asciilifeform;http://hiqnews.megafoundation.org << bizarre, somewhat interesting, and (apparently) dead lulzatr0n.
1134057;1431812724;asciilifeform;unrelated: http://ummr.altervista.org/before_microprocessors.htm and http://ummr.altervista.org/before_micros_2.htm << mega-pr0n of discrete logic iron
1134058;1431812844;asciilifeform;^ should occupy any aficionado for most of an evening
1134059;1431812844;asciilifeform;http://ummr.altervista.org/scansTEKECL.jpg << these (or, more realistically, modern) ECL discretes would probably outperform a modern integrated miner, were they to be built into a (washing-machine-sized) one...
1134060;1431812904;asciilifeform;(almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')
1134061;1431813023;jurov;really? how quickly ECL logic can do, say, one SHA step?
1134062;1431813158;asciilifeform;jurov: ecl (emitter-coupled logic) is a supposedly-obsolete way to build logical circuits (on any particular semiconductor chemistry) where a transistor is kept near switching point at all times, gaining speed at the expense of economy
1134063;1431813180;asciilifeform;it was used in certain '80s supercomputers.
1134064;1431813187;jurov;yes, i know. even had it at school
1134065;1431813216;jurov;pediwiki says "300 MHz flip-flop toggle rates".. and guess it would need flipflops if the SHA computaiton is pipelined
1134066;1431813219;asciilifeform;my symbolics lisp mach., interestingly, has a board with a good number of ecl discretes. turned out, this was the framebuffer. it was the only way to crunch ~200MHz at the time
1134067;1431813246;asciilifeform;jurov: check out a modern catalogue (e.g., 'digikey') - you can get ecl parts going into double-digit GHz
1134068;1431813271;asciilifeform;(assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
1134069;1431813292;jurov;heh had same thought
1134070;1431813323;asciilifeform;ecl miners probably live on the same planet as gallium arsenide, etc. miners.
1134071;1431813363;asciilifeform;http://www.asic-world.com/digital/logic3.html << for readers
1134072;1431813427;asciilifeform;while we're doing peculiar miners, one might also consider another lost technology, the 'integrated'... vacuum flask.
1134073;1431813469;jurov;rly? last time someone dig out "vacuum" microelectronics, you said academic wankery
1134074;1431813479;asciilifeform;because they needed a si fab
1134075;1431813504;asciilifeform;the whole point, here, is to avoid the statal spittoon dragged in by the use of si microfabrication.
1134076;1431813642;jurov;ah that. so, thinking about ECL, one basically needs to put together 2x80 identical circuits for two rouds of SHA1, and pipeline them, no?
1134077;1431813668;asciilifeform;potentially, one could create a sequential circuit of arbitrary complexity using laser-cut metallic baffles in a long glass vacuum flask.
1134078;1431813684;asciilifeform;on traditional principles of valve logic.
1134079;1431813707;asciilifeform;jurov: sha2
1134080;1431813736;asciilifeform;and when using exotic/handmade logic, you will probably take the opposite approach from a si designer - maximally 'un-unroll' the loops.
1134081;1431813748;asciilifeform;keeping the number of parts at a minimum.
1134082;1431813771;jurov;so you think about one SHA2 iteration feeding itself?
1134083;1431813785;asciilifeform;aha, as on early fpga.
1134084;1431813936;jurov;;;calc 2000/128
1134085;1431813937;gribble;15.625
1134086;1431814145;jurov;could have 15 MH/s if driven with 2GHz
1134087;1431814203;asciilifeform;probably 'sheep's skin not worth the tanning' if tradeoff is taken to this extreme.
1134088;1431814311;asciilifeform;http://www.junkbox.com/electronics/CompactronTubesIndex.shtml << re: mega-tubes.
1134089;1431814371;asciilifeform;'What GE did was combine multiple common tube types into "fat" tubes�as many as four in a single glass envelope, all heated from the same filament. The idea was to reduce the amount of power required to heat the tubes and the space they required on the circuit board, as well as the associated costs of multiple sockets. In a very crude way, GE was applying the concept of integrated circuits to tubes, and if solid-state technl
1134090;1431814371;asciilifeform;ogy had not advanced as quickly as it did in the first half of the 1960s, the Compactron idea might have been developed further, with even more tubes in a single envelope...'
1134091;1431815309;jurov;don't you need one cathode per every gate, roughly speaking?
1134092;1431815407;jurov;http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/logic_family_built_around_1j24b.html
1134093;1431816151;*;adlai finds along the rabbit-hole walls yet another example of "jpeg-quality gif > $maxint words": http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/aa5-1t.html
1134094;1431816349;asciilifeform;jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...
1134095;1431817511;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Gold Rush! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/16/gold-rush/
1134096;1431817571;mircea_popescu;copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/113.html#146 << ppls like the gpg lol
1134097;1431819645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00027782 = 21.3921 BTC [+] {4} 
1134098;1431819743;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134060 << yeah, i know that place. right across the straights from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDDswGsJ60
1134099;1431819743;assbot;Logged on 16-05-2015 21:48:24; asciilifeform: (almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')
1134100;1431819891;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134068 << i was gonna say, what do you do about accumulated errors. alpha emission was bad enough, this seems degrees of magnitude more so
1134101;1431819891;assbot;Logged on 16-05-2015 21:54:31; asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
1134102;1431820075;mircea_popescu;jurov lol at the >9000 watt thing
1134103;1431820133;mircea_popescu;lol nice one pete!
1134104;1431820170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7011 @ 0.00027976 = 1.9614 BTC [+] {2} 
1134105;1431820248;mircea_popescu;you gotta add a zoom of the damned gerbils
1134106;1431821059;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?
1134107;1431821059;assbot;Logged on 16-05-2015 22:45:49; asciilifeform: jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...
1134108;1431821311;jurov;i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
1134109;1431822915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00027704 = 10.86 BTC [-]
1134110;1431822975;jurov;!up Rozal
1134111;1431823043;Rozal;buying 10 BTC, anyone selling?
1134112;1431823055;Rozal;bank deposit
1134113;1431823071;Rozal;wrong channel
1134114;1431823126;jurov;it's okay,but better on #bitcoin-otc
1134115;1431823136;jurov;;;gettrust jurov Rozal
1134116;1431823137;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user Rozal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=Rozal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal | Rated since: Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013
1134117;1431823383;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-05-2015#1123556 << what's the story for managing tar files via portage?
1134118;1431823383;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 03:36:21; asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
1134119;1431823525;jurov;ben_vulpes: it's source package that portage downloads automatically(with some exceptions) to /usr/portage/distfiles
1134120;1431823541;jurov;was that the question?
1134121;1431823642;ben_vulpes;ah
1134122;1431823655;ben_vulpes;no, but it's a very useful answer
1134123;1431823751;ben_vulpes;gentoo quest
1134124;1431824342;mircea_popescu;copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/117.html#170 << check you out, banned by minijust no less!
1134125;1431826537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00027704 = 17.6197 BTC [-]
1134126;1431826574;mircea_popescu;!up ni291187
1134127;1431826964;mircea_popescu;and it is now time for a review of teh various butthurt!
1134128;1431826977;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/186432.html << "So why are there specific ads on /v/ which are retarded /pol/-tier shit?"
1134129;1431827186;mircea_popescu;http://v8chan.com/thread/3791455/why-does-hotwheels-allow-such-racist-offensive-ads.html
1134130;1431827247;mircea_popescu;"This is so FUCKING disgusting, holy shit"
1134131;1431827331;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on /pol/, https://8ch.net/pol/res/2049610.html  "Who is this fucktard and why do I have to see his retarded quotes as ads on every board?"
1134132;1431827594;ben_vulpes;https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431819761056.gif
1134133;1431827654;ben_vulpes;in bitcoin-related nooz...
1134134;1431827674;mircea_popescu;hey, that looks like a bunch of dudes slapping the shit out of some chick
1134135;1431827791;ben_vulpes;how can one ever tell with these internet gifs
1134136;1431827795;ben_vulpes;could be dogs in costumes
1134137;1431827802;mircea_popescu;http://v8chan.com/thread/3744246/what-is-this-ad.html << "As much I don't want to bring in /pol/ into every discussion, /leftypol/ is a hundred times worse. You're fucking cancer." / "its fags like you who make these threads the worst" / "No, it's fags like you who get triggered if anything remotely /pol/-like is mentioned, and I don't even like /pol/. Get the fuck out." / "You�re mentally disabled if you don�t thi
1134138;1431827862;mircea_popescu;nk that is a good thing."
1134139;1431827862;mircea_popescu;ahhh dude, chan is exactly where it was in 2005.
1134140;1431827862;mircea_popescu;feelsgood.png
1134141;1431827876;cazalla;the fuck is v8chan
1134142;1431827915;mircea_popescu;nfi.
1134143;1431827949;mircea_popescu;prolly some sort of backup thing
1134144;1431828016;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/0WWr6 < here we go
1134145;1431828076;mircea_popescu;the /b/ one ( b/res/2686327.html apparently) didn't get archived.
1134146;1431828400;mircea_popescu;http://8archive.moe/v/thread/3744246 << archive found.
1134147;1431828826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2511 @ 0.00068101 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2} 
1134148;1431829360;mircea_popescu;"man, i hadnt seen an ad on the interne in years. thought it was a banner for awhile" << bwahahaha.
1134149;1431829402;mircea_popescu;web experts derp about how MP doesn't know shit. then mp makes something that owns anything they've ever seen in penetration. then they don't knowtice, because one can't be stupid and perceptive at the same time.
1134150;1431829407;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1
1134151;1431829605;mircea_popescu;;;ud itt
1134152;1431829606;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=itt | ITT. Usually done in all caps, it is the first post on a fourm. It directly mean In This ... ITT I'm wrong compared to popular opinion but I'll post this definition anyway.
1134153;1431829632;indiancandy1;hi every body
1134154;1431829680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11660 @ 0.00027979 = 3.2624 BTC [+]
1134155;1431829708;mircea_popescu;heya
1134156;1431829969;decimation;asciilifeform: adlai interesting 'application specific' tube logic links
1134157;1431830082;ben_vulpes;deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml
1134158;1431830142;ben_vulpes;!up deedbot-
1134159;1431830142;ben_vulpes;deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml
1134160;1431830202;ben_vulpes;trinque!
1134161;1431830202;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/16_electronics-hack-night-featuring-the-twiddler-and-asciilifeforms-trng.html << scoop
1134162;1431830262;decimation;it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures
1134163;1431830262;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134106 << they did exist, 'field emission display' (essentially a crt with one electron gun - of cold cathode type - per subpixel!)
1134164;1431830262;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 00:04:19; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?
1134165;1431830262;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134108 << they don't need to turn sharp corners, in our hypothetical machine
1134166;1431830262;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 00:08:31; jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
1134167;1431830307;mircea_popescu;aaand /btc/ is nao in the top 50th most read boards on 8chan >> https://8ch.net/boards.html
1134168;1431830367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8546 @ 0.00027986 = 2.3917 BTC [+] {2} 
1134169;1431830367;decimation;ben_vulpes: I have one of those usb knobs
1134170;1431830384;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what does the knob do ?
1134171;1431830403;decimation;I use it to tune my virtual radio
1134172;1431830410;ben_vulpes;twiddles kitchen lead time for operators of trinque's webmachine
1134173;1431830411;asciilifeform;aha it's a joystick
1134174;1431830413;*;ben_vulpes off to wedding
1134175;1431830427;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: before you go - did it work ?
1134176;1431830428;decimation;https://store.griffintechnology.com/powermate
1134177;1431830488;asciilifeform;and wai wat
1134178;1431830488;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes plugged it into a serial port ?!?!!
1134179;1431830503;asciilifeform;(after i explained, in agonizing detail, why this will not work...)
1134180;1431830565;asciilifeform;and who holds soldering iron like this, l0l!
1134181;1431830566;decimation;asciilifeform: looks like one of those ebay usb/3.3v serial dongles
1134182;1431830583;decimation;someone who doesn't have a proper vice
1134183;1431830590;asciilifeform;vice?!
1134184;1431830595;asciilifeform;for soldering iron! lol
1134185;1431830596;decimation;or holder deal
1134186;1431830603;decimation;no, for the object being soldered
1134187;1431830622;asciilifeform;decimation: that dongle is just the thing for, e.g., pogo - but the rng is not a rs232 device...
1134188;1431830634;asciilifeform;it doesn't spit out start or stop bits
1134189;1431830639;decimation;heh
1134190;1431830657;asciilifeform;http://www.best-microcontroller-projects.com/image-files/how-rs232-works-tx-logic-rs232-diag.png << example
1134191;1431830717;asciilifeform;(if it did, it would be perfectly usable as rs232)
1134192;1431830717;asciilifeform;but it doesn't.
1134193;1431830717;decimation;did you intend to use an spi device
1134194;1431830717;asciilifeform;nope
1134195;1431830717;asciilifeform;it's raw rng
1134196;1431830720;decimation;ah I see
1134197;1431830729;asciilifeform;i.e. a pin that changes level when it wants.
1134198;1431830778;decimation;so really you need a '1-bit adc'
1134199;1431830779;asciilifeform;now, if you have a -very- well-behaved os, you could sample it as rs232 anyway. but then you discover (see old mircea_popescu article where we stepped on this caltrop!) that you end up losing bytes that match 'control' section of ascii table
1134200;1431830827;decimation;asciilifeform: or you could use a parallel port, if your computer has one
1134201;1431830835;asciilifeform;decimation: this was what i told ben_vulpes at c3
1134202;1431830839;asciilifeform;to use parallel port
1134203;1431830850;asciilifeform;or, if cannot find machine having such - sound card
1134204;1431830851;indiancandy1;huh
1134205;1431830855;decimation;one can still buy 'em even for pci express
1134206;1431830862;asciilifeform;decimation: i have one such installed right here
1134207;1431830863;asciilifeform;in regular use.
1134208;1431830878;decimation;I would worry about potential noise in the sound card
1134209;1431830887;indiancandy1;wat r y talkin bout
1134210;1431830892;asciilifeform;decimation: the noise doesn't matter, rng outputs logic-level signal
1134211;1431830894;decimation;but if the levels are high enough and you use some kind of clipping algorithm it wouldn't be an issue
1134212;1431830897;williamdunne;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbmWGrQjgTA anyone seen this dose of autism?
1134213;1431830957;decimation;indiancandy1: sampling random signals
1134214;1431830965;indiancandy1;wat
1134215;1431830976;indiancandy1;abt hot guys here lol
1134216;1431830988;indiancandy1;any*********
1134217;1431830994;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: sorry only cold
1134218;1431831028;williamdunne;indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian
1134219;1431831037;williamdunne;Or is that 7'?
1134220;1431831040;williamdunne;I can never remember
1134221;1431831042;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: and the item we were talking about, was this: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg
1134222;1431831102;indiancandy1;i just bought some baloons of a somalian
1134223;1431831102;asciilifeform;specifically the one on the left.
1134224;1431831102;decimation;asciilifeform: I wonder how cricital sampling clock variation would be
1134225;1431831102;asciilifeform;decimation: the problem with using sound card would be that it has ac-coupled input.
1134226;1431831102;indiancandy1;there is a somalian guu
1134227;1431831102;williamdunne;indiancandy1: they break yet?
1134228;1431831102;indiancandy1;guy seelling baloons
1134229;1431831102;indiancandy1;with that gass in
1134230;1431831102;indiancandy1;on the street
1134231;1431831109;indiancandy1;the gass they give to pregnant
1134232;1431831110;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah good point.  you could use it with an analog mixer and an audio signal generator
1134233;1431831123;williamdunne;asciilifeform: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the box over the chips for?
1134234;1431831133;williamdunne;indiancandy1: *inflate.
1134235;1431831136;asciilifeform;williamdunne: rf shield (in the photo, it is missing the cover)
1134236;1431831151;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134218 <<< matches indiancandy1's 7" nose
1134237;1431831151;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 02:50:28; williamdunne: indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian
1134238;1431831158;asciilifeform;williamdunne: see third photo from ben_vulpes's link for what cover looked like
1134239;1431831202;williamdunne;Ahh I see, looks good. Didn't realize how complete it looks
1134240;1431831211;decimation;asciilifeform: your old soundblaster card came with a joystick input
1134241;1431831213;williamdunne;indiancandy1: who are you?
1134242;1431831230;decimation;as I recall they were dc-coupled potentiometers
1134243;1431831230;asciilifeform;williamdunne: she is/was one of mircea_popescu's camgurlz, iirc
1134244;1431831232;asciilifeform;!up indiancandy1
1134245;1431831267;williamdunne;indiancandy1: asciilifeform: ahh I see, indian have you met Naphex?
1134246;1431831267;indiancandy1;who am i
1134247;1431831270;williamdunne;yes
1134248;1431831287;asciilifeform;decimation: at any rate, the -correct- way to sample these for experimental purposes is with either parallel port or a generic i/o gadget (e.g., 'ftdi')
1134249;1431831288;indiancandy1;im like the only pretty girl who comes in here
1134250;1431831342;williamdunne;Thats subjective
1134251;1431831353;indiancandy1;im pretty young and fly
1134252;1431831358;indiancandy1;and sexy
1134253;1431831375;asciilifeform;indiancandy1: paid mircea_popescu a visit yet ?
1134254;1431831383;decimation;asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output
1134255;1431831401;asciilifeform;decimation: the correct way to sample is at (within feasible limits) random intervals.
1134256;1431831413;asciilifeform;what one might call 'spread spectrum' clocking.
1134257;1431831416;indiancandy1;no
1134258;1431831416;williamdunne;indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though
1134259;1431831476;indiancandy1;why would i
1134260;1431831476;indiancandy1;instagram
1134261;1431831476;indiancandy1;realshantidynamite
1134262;1431831490;decimation;asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit
1134263;1431831537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64389 @ 0.00028049 = 18.0605 BTC [+] {3} 
1134264;1431831566;asciilifeform;decimation: rng literally breaks most of the rules of 'civilian' electronic design
1134265;1431831575;williamdunne;indiancandy1: Yeah okay I'll agree with you.
1134266;1431831578;asciilifeform;where you try to minimize noise, get predictable mechanism, etc
1134267;1431831598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00028386 = 8.0616 BTC [+]
1134268;1431831676;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point.  my mental viewpoint for sampled signals is always a frequency domain visualization.  my 'test' would be a really long fft
1134269;1431831947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how's she to afford the airfarez.
1134270;1431831957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same as me l0l
1134271;1431831960;asciilifeform;using money.
1134272;1431832083;mircea_popescu;she's enslaved by the cispatriarchy with the belief that she shouldn't have to.
1134273;1431832129;asciilifeform;waiwut
1134274;1431832260;williamdunne;Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender
1134275;1431832265;decimation;what about transpatriarchy
1134276;1431832265;mircea_popescu;well how should i explain it ? lol
1134277;1431832285;williamdunne;decimation: that implies they are delusional
1134278;1431832296;mircea_popescu;williamdunne if one blames the nazis does that mean they're jooz ?
1134279;1431832309;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: no, but thats not binary
1134280;1431832314;williamdunne;You're either cis or you're not
1134281;1431832334;williamdunne;Its more like if you blame women, you're (probably) a man
1134282;1431832368;mircea_popescu;is it ?!
1134283;1431832375;mircea_popescu;most she-haters i know are womenz.
1134284;1431832387;williamdunne;Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great
1134285;1431832407;mircea_popescu;to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless.
1134286;1431832436;mircea_popescu;much like rape, racism, privilege, democracy, equality, social justice etc etc.
1134287;1431832451;williamdunne;Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin
1134288;1431832455;asciilifeform;not meaningless >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Cis-trans.svg/1280px-Cis-trans.svg.png
1134289;1431832515;mircea_popescu;the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude.
1134290;1431832515;williamdunne; /apache attack helicopter
1134291;1431832543;mircea_popescu;the .svg.png part is lulzy.
1134292;1431832550;asciilifeform;aha
1134293;1431832574;asciilifeform;(know why even? microshit exploder, iirc, could not view svg. at all.)
1134294;1431832603;williamdunne;*could not
1134295;1431832610;williamdunne;being highlighted
1134296;1431832615;williamdunne;IIRC it can since ie9
1134297;1431832655;williamdunne;yep
1134298;1431832656;williamdunne;http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg
1134299;1431832838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00027849 = 7.028 BTC [-] {2} 
1134300;1431832899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38764 @ 0.00027087 = 10.5 BTC [-] {2} 
1134301;1431833209;asciilifeform;quite unrelated, but very spiffy >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8bDCfZ_Cc
1134302;1431833269;asciilifeform;(where's arsebot ?)
1134303;1431833269;asciilifeform;'1945 Zeros Attack B-29 Formation over the Fujiama.'
1134304;1431833269;decimation;assbot seems to be partially tits-up
1134305;1431833496;mircea_popescu;decimation what's teh problem ?
1134306;1431833513;decimation;where's assbot's page titles and bitly links?
1134307;1431833539;mircea_popescu;oh
1134308;1431833698;decimation;asciilifeform: it's interesting to see so many apparent successful zero 'intercepts'
1134309;1431833723;decimation;my understaning is that bomber tail guns were not very effective
1134310;1431833822;deedbot-;[Trilema] /btc/, the most recent 8chan board - http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/
1134311;1431833882;williamdunne;decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything
1134312;1431833892;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134258 <<< total butterface, great tits though
1134313;1431833892;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 02:56:56; williamdunne: indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though
1134314;1431833915;williamdunne;cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point
1134315;1431833925;williamdunne;Maybe I have soft spot for Indian women
1134316;1431834011;cazalla;this one is only half indian though
1134317;1431834053;williamdunne;And half greek, so you know she won't get anything done
1134318;1431834104;cazalla;those desi girls are pretty hot mind you
1134319;1431834188;williamdunne;I think its the combination of the skin, and some western-ish features
1134320;1431834460;cazalla;what are western features?
1134321;1431834554;cazalla;http://i.imgur.com/tXGZonM.jpg
1134322;1431834669;williamdunne;Less Asian than other Asians
1134323;1431834720;cazalla;isn't that the East :P
1134324;1431834850;cazalla;anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs
1134325;1431834933;cazalla;one for mircea_popescu  https://instagram.com/p/zxai8jh6A4/?taken-by=realshantidynamite
1134326;1431835009;decimation;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/projectile-problem-goes-beyond-amtrak-train-and-philadelphia.html?_r=0 < lol apparently the new explanation for the amtrak crash in philadelphia is that the 'local citizens' were throwing bricks at the trains
1134327;1431835069;decimation;"Getting ?rocked,? as locomotive engineers call it, is so common on the Northeast Corridor that trains long had metal grills over their windshields to act as armor. These days, thick glass is specifically designed to withstand the impact of a cinder block. Amtrak officials say trains are pelted in the neighborhoods around the crash site monthly."
1134328;1431835069;hanbot;DUP bricks!
1134329;1431835086;decimation;note that the new york times hasn't seen fit to cover this until now, because reasons
1134330;1431835259;hanbot;reasons being, nobody had figured out how to hike their pet concern to the event.
1134331;1431835367;decimation;well, one would think that the trains that carry the flower of the ny & dc elites might carry some level of interest
1134332;1431835376;asciilifeform;l0lwut
1134333;1431835379;asciilifeform;elite, on trains?
1134334;1431835382;decimation;sure
1134335;1431835383;asciilifeform;what is this, 1890 ?
1134336;1431835387;hanbot;^
1134337;1431835401;decimation;how do you think they travel? tsa screening?
1134338;1431835412;asciilifeform;'learjet' etc
1134339;1431835415;asciilifeform;no tsa.
1134340;1431835417;hanbot;elites travel?
1134341;1431835455;decimation;nah.  if going from dc to ny (or reverse) aircraft would be less convenient
1134342;1431835469;asciilifeform;only for plebes condemned to arse searches and queues
1134343;1431835485;decimation;not really.  you gonna land a plane in grand central station
1134344;1431835510;hanbot;who goes dc-ny?
1134345;1431835512;decimation;gotta go to teterboro or some other outlying airport
1134346;1431835519;decimation;lawyers, politicians, media
1134347;1431835528;hanbot;i thought it was all maryland
1134348;1431835541;decimation;usg is all over the place
1134349;1431835560;decimation;but the important bits are within walking distance of a metro station
1134350;1431835564;hanbot;ny goes to albany, mostly.
1134351;1431835629;decimation;joe biden was famous for commuting daily from delaware on amtrak
1134352;1431835642;decimation;while he was a senator
1134353;1431835663;asciilifeform;to imagine that this is why the bricks fly, is lunacy
1134354;1431835686;decimation;sorry I wasn't implying that was the case
1134355;1431835700;decimation;the fact that bricks fly at such trains ought to be newsworthy
1134356;1431835745;decimation;my point being that it only turns out to be newsworthy once a major accident happens and people get injured/killed
1134357;1431836655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00028386 = 11.6099 BTC [+]
1134358;1431836777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55150 @ 0.00028386 = 15.6549 BTC [+]
1134359;1431837526;trinque;deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml
1134360;1431837586;deedbot-;http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml is a go!
1134361;1431837646;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] electronics hack night featuring the twiddler and asciilifeform's TRNG - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/16_electronics-hack-night-featuring-the-twiddler-and-asciilifeforms-trng.html
1134362;1431837707;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] A brief history of the Bitcoin Foundation's activity from 10/2014 through 4/2015 - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/02_a-brief-history-of-the-bitcoin-foundations-activity-from-102014-through-42015.html
1134363;1431837767;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html
1134364;1431837827;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] Well welcomed, the warrior - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/25_well-welcomed-the-warrior.html
1134365;1431837887;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] Bitcoin needs no changes to destroy your world - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/24_bitcoin-needs-no-changes-to-destroy-your-world.html
1134366;1431837947;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html
1134367;1431838008;trinque;decimation | it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures << seems a fine use.
1134368;1431838069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00028386 = 2.5547 BTC [+]
1134369;1431839032;trinque;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/27/pakistans-long-history-of-fighting-saudi-arabias-wars/
1134370;1431839092;decimation;sure, pakistan has been a useful stooge for a variety of powers
1134371;1431839146;trinque;given the cozy relationship there I would not be surprised if saudi tries to purchase nukes from pakistan, if they haven't already
1134372;1431839153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00027653 = 18.2925 BTC [-] {3} 
1134373;1431839196;decimation;eh, saudi arabia doesn't really need nukes
1134374;1431839225;trinque;why don't they?
1134375;1431839241;decimation;they got usg's nukes on call if they need them
1134376;1431839677;trinque;http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-considers-nuclear-weapons-to-offset-iran-1430999409 << usg might be shifting the balance of power in the region towards their competitor
1134377;1431839737;trinque;I wouldn't trust the USA if I were them.
1134378;1431839920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00027138 = 11.9 BTC [-] {3} 
1134379;1431839952;trinque;http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-nuclear-deal-raises-stakes-for-iran-talks-1426117583
1134380;1431841415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00027033 = 5.0822 BTC [-]
1134381;1431841647;mats;http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32747454
1134382;1431841707;mats;> China to invest $50bn in Brazil infrastructure
1134383;1431844594;gabriel_laddel;BAD (bitcoin-assets distro) update #2.
1134384;1431844601;gabriel_laddel;Testing the install process has been impeded by possibly faulty hardware (my testing box reliably kernel panics as of today - idkwtf). I'm stalled until I've new boxen. If someone were willing to set aside a few hours to test the install process, please leave it in the logs. I'll follow up with you via PM.
1134385;1431844729;*;BingoBoingo still rather inclined towards promoting *nix hetrogeny
1134386;1431844971;*;gabriel_laddel sees *nix hetrogeny as meaningless unless the personalized systems all have sources included, can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call
1134387;1431845389;gabriel_laddel;Quote suggestions for 8chan ads:
1134388;1431845396;gabriel_laddel;"He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." - JMC
1134389;1431845399;gabriel_laddel;"PS. Smart people don't give a shit about how much money you have. Because they can take it from you, any time they feel like it. Get it through your skull: you ain't buying it, you ain't coercing it, get on your knees and start worshipping it." -- http://trilema.com/2013/the-sanity-dogma/#comment-95113
1134390;1431845459;gabriel_laddel;"in the meantime, resistance is not futile. only the weak of mind will be assimilated, and they are no loss, anyway." -- Naggum
1134391;1431845550;gabriel_laddel;"Reductio ad absurdum, which Euclid loved so much, is one of a mathematician's finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess play: a chess player may offer the acrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but a mathematician offers the game. -- A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941)"
1134392;1431845750;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134249 << !s chetty
1134393;1431845750;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 02:54:48; indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here
1134394;1431845754;gabriel_laddel;!s hanbot
1134395;1431845755;assbot;795 results for 'hanbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hanbot
1134396;1431845863;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell indiacandy1 who are your role models in the porn biz?
1134397;1431845864;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1134398;1431845902;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Did you stumble upon my 11 year plan in the logs yet?
1134399;1431845952;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: becoming a MMA punching bag? Yeah.
1134400;1431845965;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: whats up?
1134401;1431845981;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Nah, avoiding MMA, becoming a boxing tomato can for my 40th birthday in 11 years
1134402;1431846007;BingoBoingo;Oh, not too much is up. My youngest brother got their BS in Mechanical engineering today.
1134403;1431846036;gabriel_laddel;neat
1134404;1431846045;BingoBoingo;WOuld maybe recruit for La Republic serene if we need a trebuchet
1134405;1431846098;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Year one goal is ending their year in sufficient shape after a decade of chainsmoking and heavy drinking to not get too winded at a gym
1134406;1431846145;BingoBoingo;Also strengthening the metacarpals through controlled stress fractures
1134407;1431846211;gabriel_laddel;Eh, whatever floats your boat I suppose.
1134408;1431846228;gabriel_laddel;I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes.
1134409;1431846303;BingoBoingo;I like walking too, but walking lets me smoke while I do it, also seems less like exercise and more liek an activity of daily living the doctors count against you if you can't do it.
1134410;1431846400;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: are you trying to impress to fuck a doctor or something?
1134411;1431846403;gabriel_laddel;who cares?
1134412;1431846580;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: I live in a rogue state atm (Illinois) and I'd rather not have to get a prostate exam to buy legit hunting rifle of Mosin or Simnov design. So earlier this week I was watching past oscar movies and hit Million Dollar Baby. Then it hit me. Why not weaponize me?
1134413;1431846615;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: someone willing to slit throats isn't scary
1134414;1431846622;gabriel_laddel;really, they're not even that useful.
1134415;1431846632;gabriel_laddel;learn organic chemistry
1134416;1431846641;gabriel_laddel;a motivated chemist is really fucking scary
1134417;1431846676;gabriel_laddel;china ships precursors to mexico all the time, head out there (cn), meet the people involved.
1134418;1431846685;BingoBoingo;Oh, scary is context dependent. I sat through ~75% of a pharmacy school's curriculum as a grad assistant who just worked the microphones.
1134419;1431846730;BingoBoingo;Thing is the legitimate governments of most of mexico frown on synthesis without their blessing.
1134420;1431846740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027969 = 8.3627 BTC [+]
1134421;1431846741;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: China homie
1134422;1431846755;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: do you know synth then?
1134423;1431846822;BingoBoingo;I know the concept of a recipe and I know what a catecholamine is.
1134424;1431846827;BingoBoingo;?
1134425;1431846882;BingoBoingo;China? WTF?
1134426;1431846901;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: Explain C2 symmetry to me.
1134427;1431847028;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: It is a rotational thing. Anything cool will lack symmetry greater than C1.
1134428;1431847087;BingoBoingo;Blame our earth biases towards amino acids one way and carbohydrates another, not opposite way
1134429;1431847166;BingoBoingo;citalopram vs. escitalopram and levo-methamphatamine vs. dex-methamphetamine is a good starting point on chirality
1134430;1431847249;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make
1134431;1431847255;gabriel_laddel;it as an intellectual.
1134432;1431847284;gabriel_laddel;If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter.
1134433;1431847310;BingoBoingo;Ah, You are looking at ends.
1134434;1431847311;gabriel_laddel;If your goal is to become healthy, idk how boxing figures into it.
1134435;1431847327;gabriel_laddel;Yeah, always work towards a purpose, not a cause right?
1134436;1431847334;gabriel_laddel;(I kid)
1134437;1431847369;gabriel_laddel;that said, I wish you the best in all your ventures.
1134438;1431847399;BingoBoingo;My take is there is a tradition.
1134439;1431847441;gabriel_laddel;Regarding China - finding reliable chemical suppliers and integrating with the WoT sounds like a useful use of one's life.
1134440;1431847451;gabriel_laddel; /s/useful/productive
1134441;1431847470;gabriel_laddel;<BingoBoingo> My take is there is a tradition. << this means nothing to me
1134442;1431847545;BingoBoingo;It requires minimal monetary expenditure and substantial time expenditure to approach X, A side effect of X is getting punched. Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain.
1134443;1431847714;cazalla;ya know BingoBoingo, people told pacman he couldn't become a boxer
1134444;1431847728;BingoBoingo;^
1134445;1431847771;gabriel_laddel;Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain. << can't save people from themselves...
1134446;1431847796;BingoBoingo;I'm actually pretty good at taking a beating.
1134447;1431847821;gabriel_laddel;I'm excellent at shooting H
1134448;1431847823;gabriel_laddel;...
1134449;1431847824;gabriel_laddel;?
1134450;1431847830;gabriel_laddel;Seriously?
1134451;1431847846;BingoBoingo;Seriously, Mu chin is good.
1134452;1431847847;gabriel_laddel;Between me, rents and sickboy I'm the best petty thief
1134453;1431847858;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/static/banners/cul/1427429909196.png heh. quite.
1134454;1431847957;BingoBoingo;+++++++ ^ +++++++++
1134455;1431847989;mircea_popescu;decimation afaik it was always known (tm) that they found him by sherpa.
1134456;1431848035;mircea_popescu;<decimation> they got usg's nukes on call if they need them << nope, not anymore. new king is trashing the alliance.
1134457;1431848045;mircea_popescu;the us will have to work out of cuba and hawaii.
1134458;1431848089;BingoBoingo;Thankfully Obummer surrendered to the Castros
1134459;1431848093;mircea_popescu;can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call <<< exactly this.
1134460;1431848106;mircea_popescu;an "install" you have to "fiddle with" is not an install.
1134461;1431848222;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel kinda too long to fit on a banner, i fthat's what you meant ?
1134462;1431848231;cazalla;of course for every pacman there is countless spider ricos
1134463;1431848288;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: small fonts? I can't speak for anyone else, but I *must* read pretty much any text that makes its way into my vision.
1134464;1431848293;cazalla;BingoBoingo, figured you more for baseball anyway, then you could get juiced up on HGH
1134465;1431848299;cazalla;hispanics getting homeruns
1134466;1431848313;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << im pretty much the same.
1134467;1431848393;BingoBoingo;cazalla: The time it takes to learn to throw anything left handed... versus the exosud of young potential prize fighters for MMA and the NFL... I leik my odds
1134468;1431848418;mircea_popescu;" You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow." << ahaha lulzy way to put it, but i dbout the guy actually aspires to this as his life. sounded more like a hobby to me
1134469;1431848453;cazalla;still don't get the 11 years of training
1134470;1431848460;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i think that's how half the chan people are too. that's why it's such a trap for them
1134471;1431848480;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Honestly having been roundly rejected by the fiat economy anything I approach is as a hobby, except for the qntra. The Qntra is deadly serious.
1134472;1431848483;mircea_popescu;but anyway, guy has it : we definitely need more people in china.
1134473;1431848500;BingoBoingo;cazalla: If only you knew the tar on my lungs.
1134474;1431848528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00027982 = 4.4631 BTC [+]
1134475;1431848544;BingoBoingo;Also, 40 is kind of peak athlete age barring major injuries
1134476;1431848573;cazalla;i dunno about that, boxing? maybe though
1134477;1431848635;cazalla;but still, 12-18 months training and you're good to go
1134478;1431848636;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Think about how many pitchers peak in ability in their late 30's early 40's (or not) versus combat sports peeps over at 30 because they are too beat.
1134479;1431848643;cazalla;and that's if ya only never boxed before
1134480;1431848671;BingoBoingo;First step is getting to high school graduation weight.
1134481;1431848725;cazalla;slip the jab
1134482;1431848726;BingoBoingo;While building the upperbody and core back up
1134483;1431848727;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/cul/src/1427434337209.jpg :D
1134484;1431848787;cazalla;do ya compound exercises
1134485;1431848787;gabriel_laddel;hahahaha
1134486;1431848787;BingoBoingo;I leik'd dpb's "transmen are evil" sjw clickbait tumblr
1134487;1431848789;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Working on it.
1134488;1431848829;cazalla;yeah i keep meaning to as well but the booze really gets its hooks in
1134489;1431848843;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ag6-nWZ1E << dude, i had no idea that cartman-vlog south park episode was actually ripped from an irl thing
1134490;1431848903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00027982 = 3.6517 BTC [+]
1134491;1431848903;BingoBoingo;Boose isn't as bad as the smoking it seems atm for me, may change.
1134492;1431848903;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Anymore nothing in south park doesn't have an irl connection
1134493;1431848929;mircea_popescu;apparnetly.
1134494;1431848962;BingoBoingo;Last season's season long arc and its tanents all irl tied
1134495;1431848975;BingoBoingo;*tangents
1134496;1431849031;mircea_popescu;check it out jurov https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#177 teh plebs do not like your art!
1134497;1431849091;cazalla;ya should toss a quote in from that boy and the tree, that'd go well in /pol/ believe it or not
1134498;1431849091;mircea_popescu;(honestly, that hauling assets banner is great, easily the best of the crop. meanwhile the qntra one is probably the shittiest. imagine these derps, conflating the extremes like that)
1134499;1431849091;BingoBoingo;Nah that's a tie for beating rhonda quotes
1134500;1431849100;mircea_popescu;cazalla oh that's a point huh.
1134501;1431849160;cazalla;it's a great story though, not the first trilema article i read but the first that stuck in my mind
1134502;1431849305;cazalla;BingoBoingo, anyway we should both train and then we can put on some exhibition fights in BA in a year or 2, find some local picaninnies to go up against
1134503;1431849324;BingoBoingo;cazalla: That sounds agreeable
1134504;1431849337;mircea_popescu;;;seen mike_c
1134505;1431849339;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <mike_c> i'll add something
1134506;1431849357;BingoBoingo;The dying locust tree in the back yard will probably appreciate the break
1134507;1431849359;mircea_popescu;omg mikey! i need you.
1134508;1431849570;BingoBoingo;If anyone didn't guess already the Qntra Bird Flu article came out of buying 2 dozen eggs and the next week buying the same two dozen eggs for a budget busting (who plans for 67% markups) price.
1134509;1431849605;cazalla;BingoBoingo, buying em? what's the matter with you, can't catch a chicken?
1134510;1431849631;cazalla;chicken chasing is how we use to train in the old days btw
1134511;1431849751;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Turkeys here you can catch wild. Fuck, drove past a roadkill armadillo today which should only happen on the other side of the mississippi river. Chickens though... It takes three eggs to make a decent omlette. Even if you are getting an egg from each hen per day that's still a lot of birdshit.
1134512;1431849787;cazalla;armadillo edible?
1134513;1431849816;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Carries Leprosy
1134514;1431849857;BingoBoingo;So, maybe? I'm not that brave.
1134515;1431849902;cazalla;i thought road kill was like american pie
1134516;1431849976;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You still got to be picky. People fight over rights to bumper deer. Less so for plague carriers like armadillo.
1134517;1431850008;BingoBoingo;http://philippinefailblog.com/what-a-filipino-resume-might-look-like/
1134518;1431850237;*;BingoBoingo would rather punch one of the local coyotes into dinner than try making an armadillo edible
1134519;1431850297;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make << Where are
1134520;1431850297;BingoBoingo; you a native to?
1134521;1431850325;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: USSA
1134522;1431850378;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter. << Scary for the sake of scary is one of the last things I aspire to. That's how people get shot and sliced.
1134523;1431850434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14507 @ 0.00027969 = 4.0575 BTC [-]
1134524;1431850470;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: You're splitting (the wrong) hairs.
1134525;1431850521;BingoBoingo;Anyways my survey of the field now is half the people on my high school's football team tried MMA at one point and got into "pro" fights of some sort. They played the proverbial tomato can to a t.
1134526;1431850552;BingoBoingo;Because few of them could get under heavy weight.
1134527;1431850562;gabriel_laddel;...
1134528;1431850572;*;gabriel_laddel sputters, cannot compute
1134529;1431850582;*;cazalla buys BingoBoingo a tapout shirt for xmas
1134530;1431850582;BingoBoingo;Some things don't
1134531;1431850643;*;BingoBoingo still works on getting reasonably fit though
1134532;1431850776;*;BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6.
1134533;1431850811;BingoBoingo;And numerous others
1134534;1431851582;*;BingoBoingo admits probably too old to lern to code worth  damn
1134535;1431851593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53460 @ 0.00027015 = 14.4422 BTC [-] {2} 
1134536;1431851776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00027695 = 9.9979 BTC [+] {2} 
1134537;1431855253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00027982 = 5.2326 BTC [+]
1134538;1431855656;punkman;http://stupidhackathon.github.io/index.html
1134539;1431855761;punkman;https://github.com/diafygi/gnu-pricing
1134540;1431855988;punkman;http://mistaken.co/assets/app_picture.png
1134541;1431857756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64800 @ 0.00027534 = 17.842 BTC [-] {2} 
1134542;1431858000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7602 @ 0.00027982 = 2.1272 BTC [+]
1134543;1431858366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44855 @ 0.00027118 = 12.1638 BTC [-] {2} 
1134544;1431858427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4295 @ 0.0002685 = 1.1532 BTC [-]
1134545;1431859220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21863 @ 0.00027982 = 6.1177 BTC [+]
1134546;1431859769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00027988 = 10.2436 BTC [+] {2} 
1134547;1431860440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.0002685 = 4.7659 BTC [-]
1134548;1431860684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00027301 = 13.6095 BTC [+] {3} 
1134549;1431861294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30009 @ 0.00028072 = 8.4241 BTC [+]
1134550;1431863087;copypaste;;;later tell mircea_popescu 8chan is also blocked in Saudi Arabia and Oman according to reports I've received. Apparently only a few Russian ISP block it on order of ROSKOMNADZOR.
1134551;1431863087;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1134552;1431864649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48216 @ 0.0002684 = 12.9412 BTC [-] {2} 
1134553;1431865442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00026761 = 29.4371 BTC [-] {2} 
1134554;1431865625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00027402 = 15.3999 BTC [+] {2} 
1134555;1431866845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0002676 = 7.3724 BTC [-]
1134556;1431867225;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134165 i don't see how, if we're limited to straight paths for electrons
1134557;1431867225;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 02:37:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134108 << they don't need to turn sharp corners, in our hypothetical machine
1134558;1431867252;jurov;your "field emission display" is in fact counterexample - it does no computation whatsoever while electron flies
1134559;1431867330;jurov;classic CRTs do at least the "demultiplexing"
1134560;1431867516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00028096 = 7.614 BTC [+] {2} 
1134561;1431868614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00027548 = 6.5013 BTC [-]
1134562;1431869041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00028108 = 5.2843 BTC [+]
1134563;1431870099;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/g5ci4oK.png <<< the paymium banner
1134564;1431870159;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1134565;1431871135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00027707 = 9.9053 BTC [-]
1134566;1431871921;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << notice anything ?
1134567;1431871981;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1134568;1431872023;asciilifeform;jurov: you are quite right, the electrons would have to move laterally. but not necessarily in very sharp turns.
1134569;1431873145;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail.
1134570;1431873146;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1134571;1431873326;asciilifeform;yes, we broke a pgp key.
1134572;1431873330;mats;how exciting
1134573;1431873438;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla https://bitbet.us/bet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key can be resolved? get the necessary data from mircea_popescu
1134574;1431873498;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1134575;1431873517;asciilifeform;(for anyone perplexed - we promised not to announce dud keys publicly, at least not if key's owner answers the warning - see http://nosuchlabs.com/theory )
1134576;1431873601;*;kakobrekla doesn't resolve bets, but mods that do read bb comments so is fine.
1134577;1431873648;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i woke you up because the info necessary to resolve this bet is not public (as of yet.) hence tricky.
1134578;1431873677;asciilifeform;in fact, i'm rather unclear on what will happen if key's owner wakes up and asks 'pretty please don't rape me on camera'
1134579;1431873688;davout;RAEP RAEP RAEP
1134580;1431873696;asciilifeform;(he isn't anyone we know. but we did promise to spare)
1134581;1431873737;mats;i loled. 1.08btc on 0.02btc
1134582;1431873764;asciilifeform;somebody's gonna chortle on cock
1134583;1431873773;mats;too bad its the house
1134584;1431873777;davout;lol
1134585;1431873792;*;asciilifeform recused himself from the bet
1134586;1431873811;kakobrekla;well, lets see what the wot is worth.
1134587;1431873870;kakobrekla;anyway, the affected parties are basically (listed by alphabetical order): mp
1134588;1431873980;asciilifeform;phun phuct: i never actually tested the code which displays phuctored moduli. (couldn't be bothered to craft a dud key, it's a pain) - but it worked. because was written correctly. perhaps a novel concept to some folks
1134589;1431874185;*;kakobrekla never heard of that
1134590;1431874202;asciilifeform;and the poor bugger appears to be in the strong set, no less.
1134591;1431874507;davout;asciilifeform: aren't there, by definition, at least two 'buggers'?
1134592;1431874614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00028269 = 10.9401 BTC [+] {2} 
1134593;1431875204;adlai;iiuc, finding the second bugger would require bruteforce checks against all the keys contributing to the modulus that phucked the first bugger
1134594;1431875229;adlai;(not that much work, definitely less than the work which has already been done to find the first one)
1134595;1431875285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65450 @ 0.00028294 = 18.5184 BTC [+]
1134596;1431875310;adlai;(phuctor now knows the factorization of a single key, and it knows which of the two prime factors is shared with the second bugger)
1134597;1431875335;davout;if you know that there's another broken one in the set, might as well re-check the set to find it
1134598;1431876402;asciilifeform;davout: there sure are
1134599;1431876415;asciilifeform;davout: in not too long, i will learn who the 2nd one is.
1134600;1431876423;asciilifeform;so here's my other observation:
1134601;1431876440;asciilifeform;we haven't really discussed it, but there are interesting implications in breaking a fella's pgp key.
1134602;1431876475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu likes to speak of having 'killed' that greek derp, but in a very real sense the schmuck whose key we just broke, is dead
1134603;1431876503;asciilifeform;which is to say, i could sign, with his key, 'please rape me in public with a donkey' and it will be as legit as anything he will ever say himself
1134604;1431876506;asciilifeform;in the eyes of the gods
1134605;1431876607;asciilifeform;to rephrase, he no longer (if ever did) have sole control of his private key
1134606;1431876636;asciilifeform;and we must not neglect the third party - the fine folks who boobytrapped mr schmuck's copy of pgp.
1134607;1431876761;asciilifeform;if keys are identities are people - which, for purposes of wot and dealings among folks who will never meet in the flesh, they most certainly are - that one: has died.
1134608;1431876822;asciilifeform;phuctor does not send automatic emails. to anyone. so, let's see what happens when mircea_popescu writes to mr schmuck
1134609;1431876843;asciilifeform;but my point above was, what are we to do with the answer? it could be coming from just about anyone!
1134610;1431877481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38491 @ 0.00027652 = 10.6435 BTC [-] {2} 
1134611;1431877542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3909 @ 0.00027595 = 1.0787 BTC [-] {2} 
1134612;1431877740;jurov;asciilifeform: but there were multiple people with colliding moduli, not only one?
1134613;1431877763;jurov;or i misunderstand something?
1134614;1431877908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39142 @ 0.00027555 = 10.7856 BTC [-]
1134615;1431878062;jurov;soo i have inadvertently turned to computational sommelier,too... thinking about replacement to my broken qwerty phone, then it hit me..n900!
1134616;1431878149;jurov;with possible upgrade to neo900 in few months (expected price 900euro, tho)
1134617;1431878335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00026963 = 11.3245 BTC [-]
1134618;1431878386;adlai;jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first
1134619;1431878733;asciilifeform;jurov: there is a second, but it will take a while to unearth it.
1134620;1431878929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu!
1134621;1431878981;mircea_popescu;aha
1134622;1431879003;mircea_popescu;340k submitted HOL SHIT
1134623;1431879012;asciilifeform;ahahahaha.
1134624;1431879013;mircea_popescu;achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa.
1134625;1431879019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu read log
1134626;1431879025;asciilifeform;and check yer mails
1134627;1431879125;mircea_popescu;lol
1134628;1431879129;mircea_popescu;dude...
1134629;1431879132;mircea_popescu;yes im going to
1134630;1431879161;asciilifeform;the most lulzy part (what the common factor was) is not even posted publicly yet.
1134631;1431879187;mircea_popescu;im waiting to share it in the interview lolz.
1134632;1431879207;asciilifeform;kudos to mircea_popescu for supplying the cpu cycles for this apparatus pro bono
1134633;1431879239;mircea_popescu;i am in complete disbelief that this actually happened.
1134634;1431879246;mxtm;what exactly has happened?
1134635;1431879249;mxtm;gpg key has been breached?
1134636;1431879250;mxtm;or
1134637;1431879285;asciilifeform;mxtm: some 2 schmucks (of which i've identified 1, but the other will follow in a week or so) had common factor in their rsa private keys.
1134638;1431879322;mircea_popescu;this is truly fucking major.
1134639;1431879343;mxtm;and you derived the priv keys from this?
1134640;1431879407;mircea_popescu;yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey.
1134641;1431879418;mxtm;jeez
1134642;1431879421;mircea_popescu;yes.
1134643;1431879422;mxtm;that is quite major
1134644;1431879749;mircea_popescu;that is quite major. but it's not the half of it.
1134645;1431879755;mircea_popescu;more stuff to be announced here, later.
1134646;1431879837;mircea_popescu;;;rated asciilifeform
1134647;1431879837;gribble;You rated user asciilifeform on Sat Nov 30 16:31:44 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: S.NSA engineer..
1134648;1431879855;mircea_popescu;;;rate asciilifeform 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.
1134649;1431879856;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1134650;1431879860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49144 @ 0.00026758 = 13.15 BTC [-] {2} 
1134651;1431879864;mircea_popescu;!rated asciilifeform
1134652;1431879864;assbot;You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor..
1134653;1431879869;asciilifeform;eh waitup
1134654;1431879871;mircea_popescu;!rate asciilifeform 5 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.
1134655;1431879872;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f995623f9ad9fe6a
1134656;1431879873;asciilifeform;perhaps the ssl folks did
1134657;1431879875;asciilifeform;factor one
1134658;1431879889;mircea_popescu;i sign my lines, you sign your lines
1134659;1431879901;asciilifeform;l0k
1134660;1431879923;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:d27ae6467cd0fbd6f440b352f05f3a753c3bde57d60bac74172b5cf5cc0fd544
1134661;1431879923;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 4 to 5 with note: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.
1134662;1431880775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65133 @ 0.00027838 = 18.1317 BTC [+] {3} 
1134663;1431881335;williamdunne;Holy shit wel done asciii
1134664;1431881408;asciilifeform;williamdunne: 'first ecstacy, then laundry.' (al schwartz)
1134665;1431881551;jurov;asciilifeform: phuctor rejects this: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x0E280B593F9A01F9
1134666;1431881611;jurov;i have verified my gpg 2 imports it
1134667;1431881611;asciilifeform;jurov: most peculiar. it is a valid rsa key.
1134668;1431881611;mircea_popescu;yeah now he has to do various shit.
1134669;1431881633;asciilifeform;no this is a good find, i will add it to the queue of three or four other mysterymeats
1134670;1431881651;asciilifeform;the only peculiar thing i can see in this key is the use of odd orcish hieroglyphs in the id string
1134671;1431881664;asciilifeform;but that shouldn't throw off my apparatus.
1134672;1431881748;mircea_popescu;lmao utf strikes again
1134673;1431881757;mircea_popescu;python strings alf. python strings.
1134674;1431881835;*;asciilifeform promises to investigate this oddity, and see if there are others like it, as soon as finishes current plate
1134675;1431882023;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey. << holy shit o.0
1134676;1431882044;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1134677;1431882150;asciilifeform;for the record, since folks were asking, much simpler than i thought,
1134678;1431882157;asciilifeform;we have schmuck-P; if one were to divide Π(∀n) by (schmuck-P ^ 2), result is J*K where J is $schmuck-Q and K is $otherschmuck-Q. thereby K*schmuck-P == otherschmuckmodulus.
1134679;1431882169;asciilifeform;no need to walk it.
1134680;1431882259;mod6;lol, great work.
1134681;1431882347;mod6;im stunned. very impressive.
1134682;1431882359;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/
1134683;1431882419;asciilifeform;that was fast.
1134684;1431882419;mike_c;mircea_popescu: good afternoon
1134685;1431882422;mircea_popescu;had to.
1134686;1431882429;mircea_popescu;mike_c just hte man i wanted to see
1134687;1431882446;mike_c;what can i do for you?
1134688;1431882449;mircea_popescu;say, can i has 728x90 bitbet banners ? and in some manner WITH the link, so i can put them on 8chan ?
1134689;1431882456;mircea_popescu;you get to use your own btc addy for referrals.
1134690;1431882499;mike_c;yeah, i can whip that up
1134691;1431882516;mircea_popescu;excellent.
1134692;1431882543;mod6;wow! 231?!
1134693;1431882555;*;mod6 falls out of his chair
1134694;1431882558;mxtm;looooooooooooooool
1134695;1431882560;mxtm;yeah
1134696;1431882564;mxtm;that's great
1134697;1431882579;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, congratulations
1134698;1431882584;mod6;^^
1134699;1431882590;Apocalyptic;this is quite stunning
1134700;1431882603;mircea_popescu;word.
1134701;1431882606;mircea_popescu;i am quite stunned myself.
1134702;1431882634;mircea_popescu;anyway, i do encourage everyone to try this themselves.
1134703;1431882674;mxtm;now what do we do with our GPG keys and GPG in general :(
1134704;1431882678;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, isn't Π(∀n) the product of all the modulus treated by phuctor ? how do you get $schmuck-Q * $otherschmuck-Q by dividing it by (schmuck-P ^ 2) ?
1134705;1431882721;mircea_popescu;mxtm we check implementations to make sure they're conformant to spec.
1134706;1431882726;mircea_popescu;the spec is in no way broken by this.
1134707;1431882778;mircea_popescu;oh also - if anyone has a hacker news account or w/e - put it in.
1134708;1431882796;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: you are correct, the formula is missing a step. but i will leave it as exercise.
1134709;1431882825;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, that calculation makes sense if Π(∀n) is in fact the product of only the two modulus we're interested in
1134710;1431883082;mats;asciilifeform: seen this? https://factorable.net/weakkeys12.extended.pdf
1134711;1431883142;asciilifeform;mats: the ssl folks ?
1134712;1431883142;asciilifeform;i shat on them when we started out, because they published neither code nor results !
1134713;1431883142;asciilifeform;and i shit on them now.
1134714;1431883142;mircea_popescu;^
1134715;1431883142;mircea_popescu;never happened (tm)
1134716;1431883142;asciilifeform;aha.
1134717;1431883177;asciilifeform;the paper is worth reading, it contains a bit of exposition on -how- a schmuck might end up with dupped privates
1134718;1431883177;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, also I noticed that "Moduli waiting to test" number is updated quite regularly, why the running product displays the same number of digits for a while now, I guess it doesn't update as often ?
1134719;1431883187;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: it gets updated when a batch is done
1134720;1431883193;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: so you'll be waiting a few days
1134721;1431883194;Apocalyptic;s/why/while
1134722;1431883199;asciilifeform;^ good question
1134723;1431883202;asciilifeform;answrs.
1134724;1431883207;mircea_popescu;optimized bubble-like process, was discussed in the logs iirc
1134725;1431883214;mircea_popescu;faster to pair them up.
1134726;1431883226;asciilifeform;we don't crap out the product often, it dances on the disk and slows things down
1134727;1431883231;asciilifeform;it lives in ram normally.
1134728;1431883234;Apocalyptic;understandable
1134729;1431883244;asciilifeform;(which is why the thing takes an ungodly time to revv back up after a cold boot)
1134730;1431883319;deedbot-;[Trilema] Full disclosure : 4096 RSA key in the strongset factored. - http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/
1134731;1431883396;davout;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560790
1134732;1431883456;asciilifeform;aaaaand then there were 2.
1134733;1431883458;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
1134734;1431883518;mats;if that makes it to front page, prepare for an onslaught of 'mp is a pornographer and slaver'
1134735;1431883518;mircea_popescu;oh, well... this was powered by slave labour.
1134736;1431883518;mircea_popescu;ask anyone. such as stan.
1134737;1431883518;mats;asciilifeform: ya, wasn't sure if the link was the same paper you referred to earlier re: 'ssl folks'
1134738;1431883518;jurov;lol. and which machine was this? in odessa?
1134739;1431883526;mircea_popescu;ayup
1134740;1431883559;mircea_popescu;and holy shit.
1134741;1431883564;mircea_popescu;boys ? it ... it just found another.
1134742;1431883570;mircea_popescu;NOT the pair to the previous one.
1134743;1431883574;mircea_popescu;another PAIR
1134744;1431883578;mod6;wow!
1134745;1431883585;mxtm;WHAT LOL
1134746;1431883587;mod6;exponential ?!
1134747;1431883589;mircea_popescu;omfg strong set is rotten to the core.
1134748;1431883596;mircea_popescu;expo-fucking-nential.
1134749;1431883607;mircea_popescu;see, it needed a well loaded up P
1134750;1431883622;davout;hory shet
1134751;1431883644;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is this 500 line py script published anywhere ?
1134752;1431883654;asciilifeform;which
1134753;1431883662;asciilifeform;the ugly www frontend ?
1134754;1431883665;asciilifeform;or werker
1134755;1431883681;Apocalyptic;wait, the worker is a python script ?
1134756;1431883682;asciilifeform;i don't recall if i posted it anywhere.
1134757;1431883687;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: v1 was. but not this one
1134758;1431883700;asciilifeform;the thing that does the gruntwork is in c, uses gmp (as gpg uses)
1134759;1431883708;Apocalyptic;sound choice
1134760;1431883711;asciilifeform;the www front end is an ugly python hack
1134761;1431883715;mircea_popescu;werker
1134762;1431883720;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1134763;1431883727;asciilifeform;i posted werker in #b-a a few days after phuctor went public
1134764;1431883729;asciilifeform;no one commented
1134765;1431883740;asciilifeform;feel free to post somewhere
1134766;1431883750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform plox put it as post on loper-os
1134767;1431883760;asciilifeform;the src specifically ?
1134768;1431883762;mircea_popescu;and yes, 2nd one also includes key in strong set.
1134769;1431883776;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure, lemme cook up a ps0t
1134770;1431883825;mircea_popescu;ty
1134771;1431883918;davout;so 2 identified keys have been factored and 2 others have been factored, but not identified yet, right?
1134772;1431883923;asciilifeform;aha
1134773;1431883989;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, will the second colliding prime be published ?
1134774;1431884020;davout;just publish them in chan, as they come, more log readership
1134775;1431884038;davout;:D
1134776;1431884080;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic nah.
1134777;1431884087;mircea_popescu;just owner(s) announced.
1134778;1431884113;mircea_popescu;davout two pairs of gpg keys are known, in the sense that their pubkey modulus has been factored.
1134779;1431884153;kakobrekla;same p on second one?
1134780;1431884170;mircea_popescu;nope. 21 this time. why bother with a full length 77 when one could just use 7.
1134781;1431884173;mircea_popescu;faster.
1134782;1431884189;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> just owner(s) announced. // once you have the owners name you can get their keys, and at that point it's trivial to compute the common prime factor
1134783;1431884193;mircea_popescu;(generally - since the gcd finally contains 3, it will be a massacre now for all the shitty keys)
1134784;1431884208;mod6;21?!
1134785;1431884214;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic announced PRIVATELY. of course.
1134786;1431884217;mircea_popescu;im not tellin' you.
1134787;1431884222;Apocalyptic;oh ok
1134788;1431884225;davout;mod6: digits?
1134789;1431884360;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic from what i hear alf's contemplating sending them certs signed by their own key.
1134790;1431884368;mircea_popescu;he has a sense of humour like that.
1134791;1431884377;Apocalyptic;heh
1134792;1431884384;mod6;proof in the pudding :]
1134793;1431884433;davout;mircea_popescu: best proof possible
1134794;1431884501;davout;!up bad_duck
1134795;1431884509;mircea_popescu;if anything shows the value of hard work and just sitting down and doing it, in the present environment of financial "futures" and just-in-time everything, this would be it.
1134796;1431884523;davout;!rated bad_duck
1134797;1431884523;assbot;You rated user bad_duck on 25-Mar-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: encore une victoire pour canard.
1134798;1431884526;mircea_popescu;everybody could have tyold you gcd'ing is a waste of time and cycles.
1134799;1431884548;mats;http://mercemolist.net/2014/10/07/colofon-navaja-negra-la-clave-rsa-que-al-final-se-rompio/
1134800;1431884608;mircea_popescu;"que permit�a romper una clave p�blica de 1024 bits en 20 minutos, con un simple port�til."
1134801;1431884617;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/36a3mu/today_a_4096_bit_rsa_key_was_factored_more_coming/
1134802;1431884677;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132661
1134803;1431884677;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 04:11:23; mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807)
1134804;1431884677;mircea_popescu;you know, just a line down from where i say "i have my doubts 4096 keys will EVER be factored."
1134805;1431884677;bad_duck;davout: thx
1134806;1431884677;mircea_popescu;of course, i was not contemplating nonsense of this sort.
1134807;1431884677;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504
1134808;1431884737;davout;bad_duck: you should be able to !up yourself in PM with assbot
1134809;1431884737;asciilifeform;jurov: i'm waiting for the apocalyptic 'omg1111111111!!!111 pgp broken, seppuku now' stampede
1134810;1431884737;davout;hahaha, reddit is downvoting it
1134811;1431884737;davout;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36a1m2/full_disclosure_4096_rsa_key_in_the_strongset/
1134812;1431884798;mircea_popescu;lol.
1134813;1431884798;davout;if(matters) { downvote } else { moon_moon_moon }
1134814;1431884798;jurov;more like "mircea popescu t3h ev1l"
1134815;1431884816;mircea_popescu;what do i have to oh
1134816;1431884819;mircea_popescu;cause of trilema ? ookay.
1134817;1431884917;davout;because paywall...
1134818;1431884937;mircea_popescu;the supreme irony of which being, that you have to be a fairly frequent reader to hit the paywall.
1134819;1431884943;davout;precisely
1134820;1431884966;jurov;of be behind NAT with an reader
1134821;1431884968;jurov;*or
1134822;1431884974;mxtm;wait
1134823;1431884976;mircea_popescu;i guess, yeah.
1134824;1431884976;mxtm;apparently, luckier
1134825;1431884977;asciilifeform;the article on my www (earlier link) contains link to 'werker'
1134826;1431884979;asciilifeform;for curious folks
1134827;1431884984;mxtm;is that supposed to be a hint at the number
1134828;1431884989;asciilifeform;l0l
1134829;1431885000;mircea_popescu;mxtm no, it's just that having maintained control over the box i feel no need to divulge anything.
1134830;1431885011;mxtm;gotcha
1134831;1431885015;mats;re: previous es link, it appears openssl at some point did not check whether factors were weak
1134832;1431885030;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at this point i must note that i have no idea if i'm connected to shakespeare or another man by the same name, when i talk to dulap
1134833;1431885038;mircea_popescu;mats gpg always did afaik, special algo foir this
1134834;1431885042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15306 @ 0.00028464 = 4.3567 BTC [+]
1134835;1431885058;asciilifeform;the box, if it had been purloined and returned, has yielded up its private ssh key to enemy
1134836;1431885060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why, no openssl ? :D
1134837;1431885068;mircea_popescu;you can make another one.
1134838;1431885074;asciilifeform;make other one by taking airplane ?
1134839;1431885083;mircea_popescu;make another one while ssh'd in :D
1134840;1431885085;asciilifeform;or by asking ft meade, where the process lives now, to do it
1134841;1431885094;asciilifeform;if it was stolen - it remains stolen
1134842;1431885098;asciilifeform;sorta how one can't un-fuck goat
1134843;1431885122;asciilifeform;take a minute to think
1134844;1431885134;mircea_popescu;APPRECIATE MY SARCASM GOD DANGIT
1134845;1431885137;asciilifeform;l0lz
1134846;1431885152;*;asciilifeform appreciates. commenting re: 'maintained control'
1134847;1431885166;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114210 << the problems of people.
1134848;1431885229;jurov;just use cpanel to replace the ssh key, no?
1134849;1431885229;mircea_popescu;^^^
1134850;1431885229;mircea_popescu;voted most likely to succeed perianne.
1134851;1431885329;asciilifeform;so far this is nothing.
1134852;1431885338;mircea_popescu;davout hit a reload, went from 2 points by davout 8 minutes ago to 49 points by davout 35 minutes ago | 11 comments
1134853;1431885344;asciilifeform;wait till we find the boobytrapped pgptron that is responsible for the $smallint factors.
1134854;1431885360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very curious, because i always suspected you know "older versions"
1134855;1431885367;mircea_popescu;well... shit man, older versions don't really do 4kb keys
1134856;1431885378;trinque;holy phuctor
1134857;1431885391;asciilifeform;gonna guess it's a creative bug where pollard-rho -must- fail to pass
1134858;1431885393;davout;asciilifeform: what's the version string on the key?
1134859;1431885414;asciilifeform;which one
1134860;1431885455;jurov;phuctor discards comments, i guess
1134861;1431885468;asciilifeform;jurov: actually sks does
1134862;1431885470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52218 @ 0.00028491 = 14.8774 BTC [+] {2} 
1134863;1431885503;mircea_popescu;yeah, sks cuts comments.
1134864;1431885531;mircea_popescu;this, tbh, is a good move, because : someone came up with the fucktarded idea of adding "visual" identity to keys. as if i can tell one whore from another on the basis of a 5kb icon.
1134865;1431885535;asciilifeform;i was never strongly interested in the version strings. anyone can write what he wants.
1134866;1431885538;asciilifeform;it isn't even signed
1134867;1431885539;mircea_popescu;allowing comments means you can't have fixed width tables, which ffs.
1134868;1431885548;asciilifeform;i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse.
1134869;1431885555;jurov;http://thetrendythings.com/read/27592 << snatched verbatim
1134870;1431885615;mircea_popescu;also this.
1134871;1431885615;mircea_popescu;jurov lots of these republishing things. i think it's some business major's idea of web entrepreneurship
1134872;1431885640;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560961
1134873;1431885700;asciilifeform;^^^
1134874;1431885700;asciilifeform;!
1134875;1431885700;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers
1134876;1431885700;mats;hey, they preserved links to the original thing.
1134877;1431885700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know.
1134878;1431885700;mircea_popescu;what did you think the considerations were.
1134879;1431885776;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560990
1134880;1431885836;mxtm;woah, i didn't know that hpa was
1134881;1431885836;mxtm;THE peter anvin
1134882;1431885836;trinque;so... gpg's used by kernel devs to sign patches, eh?
1134883;1431885859;trinque;oh man he's the maintainer of kernel.org?
1134884;1431885867;mxtm;used to be
1134885;1431885873;mxtm;and like his name used to show up on syslinux
1134886;1431885875;trinque;that's... incredible
1134887;1431885877;mxtm;everything that used syslinux
1134888;1431885879;mxtm;it would be like
1134889;1431885882;mxtm;SYSLINUX PETER ANVIN
1134890;1431885890;mircea_popescu;sadly.
1134891;1431886033;asciilifeform;wai wut
1134892;1431886041;*;asciilifeform was off reading wankatron threads on hn, reddit
1134893;1431886047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you were banned on graham-altman propertiesd
1134894;1431886049;asciilifeform;did we just nuke a known fella
1134895;1431886057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my -site- iirc was banned.
1134896;1431886061;mircea_popescu;ah ah
1134897;1431886069;mircea_popescu;you were banned on wikipedia, for being a spammer, i recall now.
1134898;1431886071;asciilifeform;i'm a little surprised that trilema wasn't
1134899;1431886104;mircea_popescu;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560993 << independently confirmed
1134900;1431886167;mod6;nice
1134901;1431886167;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134868 <<< did that for a deed, got trinque all worked up, 'whoa, you really do GPG on an atari box??'
1134902;1431886167;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 17:59:08; asciilifeform: i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse.
1134903;1431886167;trinque;haha
1134904;1431886167;trinque;twas win 3.11, I remember
1134905;1431886171;mircea_popescu;"In the army battle field tactical communication are handle by streaming ciphers on the radio. The idea is not to be impossible to breach. But strong enough that time is on your side"
1134906;1431886172;mircea_popescu;experts :D
1134907;1431886201;mircea_popescu;!up d34th
1134908;1431886215;d34th;thanks, its been a while since i've been in here
1134909;1431886249;mircea_popescu;how do you like the world outside ?
1134910;1431886265;d34th;its a dark and dangerous place
1134911;1431886270;mircea_popescu;lol
1134912;1431886296;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114212 << apparently the ddos guy is still lurking.
1134913;1431886356;mircea_popescu;gotta update that post.
1134914;1431886356;mircea_popescu;actually i guess just the comment will do.
1134915;1431886388;mircea_popescu;!up dandelany
1134916;1431886424;williamdunne;To this day I have not had my connection drop, the wired connection has remained solid without dropping. Maybe I'm just lucky and ddos guys like me?
1134917;1431886427;mircea_popescu;Server Load0.45 << kinda funny to watch trilema iron.
1134918;1431886453;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i dunno what exactly he does, but if people are complaining it must be something.
1134919;1431886463;trinque;it has happened to me on occasion
1134920;1431886475;d34th;mircea_popescu: question about the working is it cpu based or opencl
1134921;1431886476;trinque;not since cloaked and getting a new IP from the ISP
1134922;1431886497;mircea_popescu;d34th you mean phuctor ? it's cpu
1134923;1431886499;mircea_popescu;!up kmq
1134924;1431886504;d34th;i have a few cores i could donate
1134925;1431886507;davout;it would probably make sense for the phuctor to start munching SSL certs as well
1134926;1431886521;mircea_popescu;d34th you wanna do something, do the same with ssl certs.
1134927;1431886527;mircea_popescu;openssl is dead for us here./
1134928;1431886556;asciilifeform;see link by mats earlier
1134929;1431886559;asciilifeform;re: openssl
1134930;1431886573;asciilifeform;(it was, purportedly, done, by a bunch of academitards who refuse to publish any results)
1134931;1431886596;mircea_popescu;!up fgeek
1134932;1431886601;mike_c;mircea_popescu: banner created.  http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png?height=90
1134933;1431886661;mircea_popescu;mike_c how do i get what url it needs to link to ?
1134934;1431886661;asciilifeform;incidentally, folks asking 'how does it work' can go to my site & read the fucking src now
1134935;1431886661;asciilifeform;the relevant bit is posted
1134936;1431886661;davout;mircea_popescu: it would be better for the phuctor itself to do it
1134937;1431886661;mircea_popescu;you can just import the P ?
1134938;1431886661;mircea_popescu;it's published for this reason.
1134939;1431886661;davout;or i guess yes, GCD the running product once in a while
1134940;1431886670;asciilifeform;this is a point, if you convert your ssl or whatever rsa key to pgp format,
1134941;1431886675;asciilifeform;you can throw it in the pot with the rest.
1134942;1431886683;mircea_popescu;^
1134943;1431886689;asciilifeform;ditto ssh
1134944;1431886695;mircea_popescu;in other news, how does a server look while trending on everything ? like so :
1134945;1431886696;mircea_popescu;CKKC_CKC__._CKKKKWKKKK__KK_KKK___KKKK___C_KKC_KK___C_K.WWK._K__.
1134946;1431886697;mircea_popescu;.KK_WCCC__K___CK_KKKK___K__C__C_KW_C_KK_K_KWK__C_CKC_W___.CK_KCK
1134947;1431886697;mircea_popescu;KC_K_K__C_K_____K_______K_K_K____________K_..._.................
1134948;1431886697;mircea_popescu;.............K..................................................
1134949;1431886699;davout;asciilifeform: it doesn't parse plain rsa keys?
1134950;1431886705;asciilifeform;(please don't throw in private key. i will -not- get it back out for you)
1134951;1431886721;asciilifeform;davout: nope. applies pgp parser 1st
1134952;1431886740;asciilifeform;-possibly- if folks ask nicely i will add a 'throw modulus raw' thing
1134953;1431886761;asciilifeform;but right now the display apparatus expects all moduli to be associated with pgp keys
1134954;1431886763;asciilifeform;(one or more)
1134955;1431886807;mike_c;I have a script that will do it, not sure if you can use that for your ads?  If not, we could either pick a specific bet to promote and link it to that, or link to homepage.
1134956;1431886818;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: What do the CKW__.s mean?
1134957;1431886826;asciilifeform;does one of you ad folks wanna make a commemorative banner for this occasion ?
1134958;1431886835;asciilifeform;'we broke a 4096 key, read how'
1134959;1431886837;asciilifeform;etc
1134960;1431886876;davout;lol, good idea
1134961;1431886877;mircea_popescu;williamdunne "_" Waiting for Connection, "S" Starting up, "R" Reading Request, "W" Sending Reply, "K" Keepalive (read), "D" DNS Lookup, "C" Closing connection, "L" Logging, "G" Gracefully finishing, "I" Idle cleanup of worker, "." Open slot with no current process
1134962;1431886895;mircea_popescu;mike_c you see how the 8chan ads work ?
1134963;1431886906;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Peter_Anvin
1134964;1431886966;mircea_popescu;i pass a base64 img wrapped in a tags. could you maybe make it be the same and i just forward it ? dunno.
1134965;1431886966;asciilifeform;then again, is it 'him' or 'another shakespeare'
1134966;1431886966;asciilifeform;anybody got any material signed by anvin ?
1134967;1431886966;davout;few extra features to implement for the phuctor... also nice to have: "throw list of URLs at it, it fetches the SSL cert and tries to factor it"
1134968;1431886966;mircea_popescu;davout yeah cuz we're so totally out of material to squeeze atm :D
1134969;1431886966;asciilifeform;l0l aha
1134970;1431886966;mike_c;mircea_popescu: iframe?
1134971;1431886968;mircea_popescu;run out of geyser oil, gotta go to fracking.
1134972;1431886973;davout;yo
1134973;1431886981;trinque;asciilifeform: https://lwn.net/Articles/461236/ ?
1134974;1431887041;mircea_popescu;mike_c https://8ch.net/btc << see what it imports from trilema.com
1134975;1431887101;williamdunne;mike_c: could work just as well as an <img src="something.php"/>
1134976;1431887101;mircea_popescu;nice one trinque
1134977;1431887101;trinque;mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy
1134978;1431887161;asciilifeform;trinque: 0xBDA06085493BACE4
1134979;1431887163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35469 @ 0.00028515 = 10.114 BTC [+]
1134980;1431887181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561045 << please be warned about my kthx
1134981;1431887241;mike_c;mircea_popescu: ok, i can make something like that.  headed to a bbq right now, I'll get it going tonight.
1134982;1431887241;mircea_popescu;thanks!
1134983;1431887241;mike_c;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: awesome work guys :)
1134984;1431887241;mircea_popescu;mostly him.
1134985;1431887294;jurov;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561091 interesting
1134986;1431887354;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, it so happens that $shmuck-Q is actually not a prime as well
1134987;1431887356;mircea_popescu;nothing is a prime anymore ;/
1134988;1431887388;asciilifeform;jurov: i was suspecting a spurious key
1134989;1431887402;asciilifeform;or corrupt sks
1134990;1431887428;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1134991;1431887454;mircea_popescu;anyone feel like running a -v -v over the thing ?
1134992;1431887462;mircea_popescu;curious what the actually useful output is.
1134993;1431887523;mircea_popescu;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561049 << also this.
1134994;1431887583;mircea_popescu;seems the guy was maybe being attacked or something ?
1134995;1431887583;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/3R5JRKD.txt << i get this
1134996;1431887643;jurov;double verbose: http://live.coinbr.com/images/hpa.txt
1134997;1431887703;asciilifeform;me thinks we may have found a mouse hill.
1134998;1431887703;asciilifeform;who's got the mouse spray
1134999;1431887703;d34th;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/218K4BV.txt
1135000;1431887763;mircea_popescu;so this is a manufactured subkey that was somehow uploaded to sks and merged into the guy's key but not necessarily used or even issued by him ?
1135001;1431887859;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561158
1135002;1431887919;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3XT5Z9F.txt
1135003;1431887979;mircea_popescu;incidentally... how likely is it that this behaviour is emergent, which is to say, you can't import the weak key ANYMORE ?
1135004;1431887979;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1135005;1431887979;mircea_popescu;possible at all even ?
1135006;1431887979;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite possibly it was diddled -in order to- create this effect.
1135007;1431887979;mircea_popescu;hm
1135008;1431887979;asciilifeform;then again, what would they gain ?
1135009;1431887979;asciilifeform;the subkey is skipped
1135010;1431887979;asciilifeform;so what
1135011;1431887979;asciilifeform;the rest of it gets sucked in
1135012;1431887979;mircea_popescu;how would i know that
1135013;1431887979;asciilifeform;anything anvin signs with his actual key, should still validate
1135014;1431887979;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1135015;1431887980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00028395 = 7.6383 BTC [-] {2} 
1135016;1431888171;trinque;jurov: so yours imported the subkey?
1135017;1431888189;jurov;no, rejected, scroll to the bottom
1135018;1431888208;trinque;ah I see it; different output than mine
1135019;1431888224;jurov;i asked it to be twice as verbose
1135020;1431888242;trinque;yeah I did -v -v
1135021;1431888247;trinque;maybe different versions
1135022;1431888256;asciilifeform;at the moment it looks like sks bit rot is responsible
1135023;1431888268;*;ben_vulpes is late to the party http://dpaste.com/27W05C2.txt
1135024;1431888328;asciilifeform;anybody got his original published key ?
1135025;1431888328;asciilifeform;the one for which the sigs verify
1135026;1431888328;asciilifeform;(anvin's)
1135027;1431888328;mircea_popescu;^
1135028;1431888328;mircea_popescu;!up anig
1135029;1431888328;asciilifeform;(and we haven't even begun the other 3 poor schmucks)
1135030;1431888328;mircea_popescu;because we have a year-old snapshot and it doesn't look different.
1135031;1431888356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wonder if this is reproducible, make sks servers display random data as people's subkeys.
1135032;1431888373;mircea_popescu;definitely not what's expected from / implied by the listings, but who knows.
1135033;1431888398;asciilifeform;seems like a bit of a tall order to believe that anvin was struck by a lucky cosmic ray
1135034;1431888413;asciilifeform;this 'uncle' is 'too rich' to die a natural death
1135035;1431888419;asciilifeform;too many hungry heirs
1135036;1431888426;mircea_popescu;even from a purely operational standpoint - it'd seem sks servers have all the interest in the world to reject such broken keys rather than publish them, carry them in db etc
1135037;1431888439;asciilifeform;afaik they don't check
1135038;1431888443;mircea_popescu;weird.
1135039;1431888448;asciilifeform;(if anyone can disprove this, please wake me up)
1135040;1431888469;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we're #1 on hn btw
1135041;1431888495;mxtm;wow
1135042;1431888496;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561179
1135043;1431888557;mxtm;noice
1135044;1431888557;mircea_popescu;couldn't have happened to better people.
1135045;1431888557;asciilifeform;'Here's what's going on: There are a number of keys on the keyservers that are faulty copies of real keys - they share most of the values, but have some errors. I don't exactly know why that is happening, but I assume it's because of network transmission errors or server crashes during transmissions. These keys don't really do any harm. ...'
1135046;1431888557;asciilifeform;l0l
1135047;1431888557;mxtm;wat
1135048;1431888568;asciilifeform;https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/262 <<< aaad we got a plagiarist
1135049;1431888628;mircea_popescu;i am not sure how much of this to believe.
1135050;1431888628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what exactly is this, ft meade damage control ?
1135051;1431888628;asciilifeform;obligatory:
1135052;1431888628;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
1135053;1431888628;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1135054;1431888628;asciilifeform;fuck
1135055;1431888628;asciilifeform;'04-06-2014 00:08:26  <asciilifeform>   BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.'
1135056;1431888641;mircea_popescu;!up irkki
1135057;1431888690;mats;assbot lives
1135058;1431888712;mircea_popescu;slow, but here.
1135059;1431888756;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561212
1135060;1431888816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol dude's story is that he's replicated the results of phuctor since late march ?
1135061;1431888816;mircea_popescu;mmmmkay.
1135062;1431888816;mircea_popescu;brave of him to come out like that lol.
1135063;1431889019;mircea_popescu;!up fufu
1135064;1431889021;mircea_popescu;!up tmp6548
1135065;1431889047;mircea_popescu;!up spockywocky
1135066;1431889076;mats;hello visitors
1135067;1431889098;kakobrekla;prolly ddosed to moon
1135068;1431889124;mircea_popescu;strange, our fortress has a moat, provided free of charge by "the enemy"
1135069;1431889168;tmp6548; Hi all
1135070;1431889187;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: who is hanno's sponsor?
1135071;1431889205;mats;http://www.codereversing.com/blog/archives/226 >> 'Nop Hopping: Hiding Functionality in Alignment'
1135072;1431889266;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: feel free to dig. i can't be bothered.
1135073;1431889266;trinque;https://hboeck.de/
1135074;1431889327;ben_vulpes;found that, yeah
1135075;1431889327;asciilifeform;mats: jumping into the middle of an instruction is as old as time
1135076;1431889327;*;ben_vulpes is still sobering up from last nights revelry
1135077;1431889327;mircea_popescu;freelance journo/whatevs. doubt there's sponsors in the classic sense.
1135078;1431889327;asciilifeform;mats: classic vx-er trick
1135079;1431889359;mircea_popescu;"The results I worried about, millions of children running Windows on the OLPC, have not occurred. Instead we see millions of children running Windows on the Intel Classmate."
1135080;1431889361;mircea_popescu;poor rms.
1135081;1431889530;asciilifeform;incidentally, anybody want to take the time to walk the sks set and check for 'skipped...' ?
1135082;1431889554;asciilifeform;'there is never kitchen with single cockroach'
1135083;1431889558;ben_vulpes;* BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6. << you could catch up to me in rather short order
1135084;1431889624;mircea_popescu;!up fche_
1135085;1431889675;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'caltrop' << how does the tossing of control bits affect output?
1135086;1431889688;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you won't see certain bytes in the output
1135087;1431889707;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i specifically warned you not to use an rs232 dongle. don't be surprised when output fails a number of tests.
1135088;1431889709;ben_vulpes;so if the device randomly cooks up a control sequence that will get ripped out?
1135089;1431889714;asciilifeform;at all times.
1135090;1431889728;ben_vulpes;aha
1135091;1431889746;asciilifeform;'everything can be as simple as possible, but not simpler' (TM) (R)
1135092;1431889769;davout;asciilifeform mircea_popescu is the same 'skipped' behaviour observed when importing the second broken key?
1135093;1431889776;mircea_popescu;and then, as that's ripped out, some tests will find the entropy not as good
1135094;1431889795;mircea_popescu;davout tis on the list of things to do, but it is a long list
1135095;1431889795;ben_vulpes;i am not as malbec immune as davout thinks
1135096;1431889798;mircea_popescu;!up yang
1135097;1431889805;yang;hi
1135098;1431889806;mats;asciilifeform: as a new dog i must learn old tricks
1135099;1431889808;mircea_popescu;ello
1135100;1431889821;mats;asciilifeform: this in particular wasn't new to me but nonetheless i shared
1135101;1431889822;ben_vulpes;mats: as a new dog i must piss on each and every electric fence
1135102;1431889849;davout;mircea_popescu: it'd be really interesting to know, it's a gpg --recv-keys | grep skipped away
1135103;1431889852;mats;asciilifeform: it hurts ma ego everytiem i get a 'old fucking news'
1135104;1431889857;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it'll be especially puzzling because you won't immediately know why it fails, given as you debiased the bits
1135105;1431889862;asciilifeform;(you did, didntcha?)
1135106;1431889869;ben_vulpes;workin on that part
1135107;1431889873;asciilifeform;so the missing value in the output won't be, e.g, 13
1135108;1431889879;asciilifeform;it'll be a pattern.
1135109;1431889901;mircea_popescu;davout yes but honestly i'd rather let it work some more first.
1135110;1431889925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ben_vulpes a fine example of the perils of "whitening".
1135111;1431889933;asciilifeform;just as i said then
1135112;1431889944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got a link to your article quoting that day's convo ?
1135113;1431889949;asciilifeform;i've misplaced it
1135114;1431889956;asciilifeform;the one with rs232 link
1135115;1431889957;mircea_popescu;you can't fool mother nature. nevertheless, it is more than happy to sell you the tools by which to fool yourself.
1135116;1431889974;mircea_popescu;lemme look
1135117;1431889987;asciilifeform;filed somewhere under s.nsa iirc
1135118;1431889992;mircea_popescu;oh ya 1 sec
1135119;1431890017;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/#selection-771.0-773.42
1135120;1431890077;mircea_popescu;!up xaxs
1135121;1431890077;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu. that's the one.
1135122;1431890077;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^^^^
1135123;1431890167;*;ben_vulpes reads...again
1135124;1431890171;decimation;asciilifeform: so did the sks server at one point accept anvin's key and then later bitrotted it?
1135125;1431890180;decimation;cause I thought there was a checksum
1135126;1431890206;mircea_popescu;this seems the most ... "nothing happened, go back to sleep"-benign theory.
1135127;1431890228;mircea_popescu;it seems tempting, tho there are sticking points. but in any case, as phuctor progresses we'll get a better idea.
1135128;1431890237;mircea_popescu;now that it has 3, 7, 11 etc in the P it will find all these.
1135129;1431890240;decimation;doesn't the sks server check before shitting public key?
1135130;1431890246;decimation;'oh I got a bad key'
1135131;1431890263;mircea_popescu;more on point, would you expect they STORE bad keys ?
1135132;1431890267;trinque;incidentally dieharder has been busted in gentoo for at least two months
1135133;1431890268;mircea_popescu;why ? space is an issue, right ?
1135134;1431890277;mircea_popescu;trinque how ?
1135135;1431890281;trinque;I'm trying to figure out why it wont build
1135136;1431890285;mircea_popescu;heh.
1135137;1431890287;decimation;apparently because of their political stance (all gpg keys must be public and stored for all time)
1135138;1431890289;ben_vulpes;trinque: so it's not me!
1135139;1431890290;asciilifeform;they store them, easily enough, by never checking
1135140;1431890294;mircea_popescu;!up referredbylopero
1135141;1431890315;asciilifeform;l0l it cuts the nicks
1135142;1431890318;mircea_popescu;decimation doesn't that stance open them to incredible ddos ?
1135143;1431890324;decimation;heh yeah sure does
1135144;1431890331;mircea_popescu;i mean, if the claims is accurate, what's to keep me from making anyone's sks profile 1 gb long ?
1135145;1431890339;decimation;I don't think anything
1135146;1431890340;mircea_popescu;full of 1mn such pubkeys ?
1135147;1431890350;ben_vulpes;trinque: how does one go about walking the history of portage?
1135148;1431890383;trinque;ben_vulpes: you can always build a specific version provided the ebuild is still available in portage by emerge =category-name/thing-0.1.2
1135149;1431890399;trinque;this underscores the need to archive /usr/portage/distfiles
1135150;1431890403;decimation;well, I guess if you want your 'roster of people' to be a combination of legal record and bathroom graffiti, they got you covered
1135151;1431890412;asciilifeform;^
1135152;1431890413;trinque;and probably the portage tree itself
1135153;1431890454;mircea_popescu;decimation anyway, we'll know more / anything of actual substance once the guy himself answers.
1135154;1431890470;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561305
1135155;1431890530;mircea_popescu;and we'll have a pretty decent picture once phuctor's done walking the set, which looks like a coupla months
1135156;1431890530;decimation;indeed.  I'm off on a home improvement project, good luck with the ramblig mob that's gonna come by
1135157;1431890530;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the man has a good point.
1135158;1431890530;asciilifeform;very much
1135159;1431890559;asciilifeform;why not one of the guests is speaking, l0l
1135160;1431890561;asciilifeform;all ddosed ?
1135161;1431890598;davout;HN now displays "Why Japanese Toilets Are Failing in America (2013)" higher than this
1135162;1431890619;trinque;lol this is now #20
1135163;1431890622;trinque;for me
1135164;1431890623;asciilifeform;davout: pg has an override button that is used very frequently and with scarcely any subterfuge
1135165;1431890628;asciilifeform;(most folks know)
1135166;1431890645;mircea_popescu;davout what diff does it make lol.
1135167;1431890658;davout;none, just a random observation :D
1135168;1431890665;asciilifeform;i recommend that someone who cares, snapshot the thing before it vanishes entirely
1135169;1431890673;asciilifeform;assuming anyone cares.
1135170;1431890678;davout;I was thinking time-decay algo
1135171;1431890743;trinque;jumped from #1 to #20 abruptly for me
1135172;1431890744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://archive.is/08Ylu there
1135173;1431890804;trinque;I've been refreshing
1135174;1431890804;asciilifeform;neato
1135175;1431890804;mircea_popescu;what was it that wiped an article badly leaving it still sorta-visible ?
1135176;1431890804;mircea_popescu;was it reddit i think ?
1135177;1431890804;asciilifeform;reddit
1135178;1431890804;asciilifeform;re: blocksizewarz
1135179;1431890804;asciilifeform;it was mega-lulzy
1135180;1431890816;asciilifeform;because the 'hand of smiting' was visible
1135181;1431890819;trinque;tendrils everywhere
1135182;1431890931;mircea_popescu;oh right right
1135183;1431890953;asciilifeform;iirc there's a full copy of it on mircea_popescu's www
1135184;1431890968;mircea_popescu;was like "we have consensus and therefore will delete your reddit thread proving the contrary. because this will totally work, you being some derps who depend on the graham lulzatron"
1135185;1431890971;mircea_popescu;then it... didn't work.
1135186;1431891002;mircea_popescu;whether that proves the contrary, or for that matter whether the contrary needs any proof... exercise for reader.
1135187;1431891085;ben_vulpes;https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=throwaway2391 << bobby boy do i have to smack you again?
1135188;1431891158;mircea_popescu;!up JPT
1135189;1431891167;ben_vulpes;can you hear me major tom...
1135190;1431891182;JPT;Thank you
1135191;1431891186;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
1135192;1431891220;JPT;I decided to read along a little since it got to me that some rsa keys were broken ;)
1135193;1431891230;mircea_popescu;aha. enjoy.
1135194;1431891234;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561398
1135195;1431891294;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1135196;1431891294;mircea_popescu;!up delan
1135197;1431891294;gribble;Current Blocks: 356889 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1958 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52452025482.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.46717
1135198;1431891302;mircea_popescu;so in also newsworthy : between yesterday and today there has been a shitton of hashpower added
1135199;1431891308;mircea_popescu;enough to push the estimate up 5 points.
1135200;1431891349;asciilifeform;any public comment on who/why ?
1135201;1431891364;mircea_popescu;no. and obviously, "the process is inherently dirty" etc. nevertheless...
1135202;1431891367;mircea_popescu;something came online.
1135203;1431891378;asciilifeform;perhaps the first batch of those cable boxes.
1135204;1431891390;mircea_popescu;lol. no fucking way.
1135205;1431891402;asciilifeform;eh howthefuck would i know. but why not.
1135206;1431891416;mircea_popescu;tosoon dude. how fast do you think that can be deployed.
1135207;1431891445;asciilifeform;yesterday - if they were baked a month ago
1135208;1431891456;mircea_popescu;not even designed yet.
1135209;1431891463;asciilifeform;it srsly isn't hard
1135210;1431891475;mircea_popescu;!up sharp0_
1135211;1431891476;asciilifeform;none of this shit is hard
1135212;1431891477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00028283 = 13.4627 BTC [-]
1135213;1431891485;mircea_popescu;nothing is hard. nothing gets done. ya know ?
1135214;1431891488;trinque;lol dieharder has been rotting for a year on both redhat descendants and gentoo
1135215;1431891494;asciilifeform;trinque: wai wat ?!
1135216;1431891496;trinque;https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=1106140
1135217;1431891556;asciilifeform;as in, won't build at all ?
1135218;1431891556;asciilifeform;or just as ebuild
1135219;1431891556;mircea_popescu;trinque only terrorists would want to test their rngs.
1135220;1431891556;trinque;yeah I'm figuring out a patch
1135221;1431891556;davout;asciilifeform: just because something is easy for a guy with 200 IQ doesn't mean it's as easy for two dudes with 100 IQ
1135222;1431891556;trinque;just missing an include
1135223;1431891556;trinque;for intptr_t
1135224;1431891556;trinque;blowing up inside glibc
1135225;1431891556;asciilifeform;davout: no, i meant that it is actually not hard. as in, go and read definition for sha256
1135226;1431891556;asciilifeform;not rocket surgery
1135227;1431891556;mircea_popescu;THAT is hard.
1135228;1431891556;davout;just teasing :D
1135229;1431891560;trinque;asciilifeform: https://bugs.gentoo.org/531268
1135230;1431891620;mircea_popescu;half the "literate" population can't even read trilema because "it's too hard" and words hurt their brain
1135231;1431891620;davout;only action can be hard as only action can oppose resistance
1135232;1431891620;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they won't read it because it makes them want to eat a luger
1135233;1431891620;asciilifeform;this is understandable
1135234;1431891620;trinque;gotta already want to eat a luger when you find trilema :p
1135235;1431891620;mircea_popescu;!up KeesH
1135236;1431891627;mircea_popescu;lol
1135237;1431891674;asciilifeform;perhaps it needs a 'cum se suge luger' article
1135238;1431891689;mircea_popescu;lmao
1135239;1431891701;mircea_popescu;you know that's to this day one of the most popular articles ? i dunno what's with them ppls.
1135240;1431891712;trinque;ok I fixed the dieharder build on gentoo
1135241;1431891716;asciilifeform;like my 'clojure' article aha
1135242;1431891724;asciilifeform;trinque: congrats. post plz
1135243;1431891730;trinque;yeah I'll make a patch
1135244;1431891734;trinque;just missing an include
1135245;1431891736;asciilifeform;(mine was built in '11 and never touched since)
1135246;1431891738;mircea_popescu;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561212 << THAT comment needs to go. lol.
1135247;1431891798;mircea_popescu;funny how targetted them folks are.
1135248;1431891798;asciilifeform;aha
1135249;1431891798;asciilifeform;wondered if anyone will notice
1135250;1431891798;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> most she-haters i know are womenz. << girl last night pointed out that all of her worst clients (she's a physical therapist, deals with highly athletic folks coming to terms with their now-reduced performance envelopes) are women
1135251;1431891798;davout;oh god srsly, white on white
1135252;1431891798;delan;mircea_popescu: grats to you and loper on factorising hpa’s key
1135253;1431891798;delan;I really hope my keys’ factors are /actually/ prime
1135254;1431891803;mircea_popescu;delan myeah. one shouldn't have to hope on this score, but then again here we are.
1135255;1431891804;asciilifeform;delan: the good news is, that it remains possible to do arithmetic whether or not anyone grants permission. go and run test on your own
1135256;1431891826;mircea_popescu;arithmetics drm, now that's an idea.
1135257;1431891834;asciilifeform;delan: imagine, the entire 'international community' and obama himself can't stop you from running euclid.
1135258;1431891851;asciilifeform;much as they might like to.
1135259;1431891874;mircea_popescu;actually, a fully-explicit "how to extract your rsa moduli as numbers, and how to test things" write-up may be a good use of someone's time.
1135260;1431891887;asciilifeform;it'll be a backbreaker on account of rolling in rfc2440
1135261;1431891888;mircea_popescu;!up wowPGP
1135262;1431891899;asciilifeform;but if we say 'use a tool' then 'pgpdump'.
1135263;1431891905;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hence "may"
1135264;1431891920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.0002841 = 11.1793 BTC [+] {3} 
1135265;1431891921;mircea_popescu;mopre like a training exercise for younguns looking to get shellshocked by "free software"
1135266;1431891921;asciilifeform;iirc no extant pgptron includes this functionality
1135267;1431892046;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tbh i find the "broken in transit" explanation offered by the back to sleep camp particularly ridiculous.
1135268;1431892061;mircea_popescu;seriously, some bits got changed ? and what archive still extracted , no problem ?
1135269;1431892068;mircea_popescu;no checksums even, no crypto, nothing at all ?
1135270;1431892079;mircea_popescu;who is this supposed to persuade, exactly ?
1135271;1431892162;davout;the real thing here would be to actually find a GPG implementation that does not run the check that leads normal ones to simply discard this key
1135272;1431892181;delan;something fishy going on — http://puu.sh/hQVmI/b85c9c57d0.png
1135273;1431892241;delan;probably getting nuked
1135274;1431892241;mircea_popescu;davout how would you know it is even publicly accessible ?
1135275;1431892245;mircea_popescu;maybe this is paort of a tandem with specific userland diddling.
1135276;1431892261;mircea_popescu;which would neatly explain why it HAS TO stay on sks servers.
1135277;1431892273;mircea_popescu;victim gets nsa-something or the other, gets the "key", etc.
1135278;1431892278;asciilifeform;aha.
1135279;1431892284;asciilifeform;the choice of victim is very telling
1135280;1431892291;mircea_popescu;i meant the REAL victim.
1135281;1431892296;asciilifeform;i should like to get a list of -everything- he 1) signed 2) public is running
1135282;1431892298;mircea_popescu;some guy trying to do something or the other with softwasre.
1135283;1431892305;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform debian.
1135284;1431892312;asciilifeform;then we have our corpse.
1135285;1431892330;ben_vulpes;conspiraci!
1135286;1431892333;mircea_popescu;i am definitely suspicious of this entire tower of mirrors made of shit.
1135287;1431892346;mircea_popescu;"oh, it's not really what it seems, fart fart"
1135288;1431892366;asciilifeform;the buggers' only defence
1135289;1431892368;asciilifeform;is the fart cloud.
1135290;1431892380;asciilifeform;expect it to thicken, thicken.
1135291;1431892400;mircea_popescu;anyway, im not entirely sure we might ever see the diddled gpg that goes with this didlded key to produce anything interesting
1135292;1431892407;mircea_popescu;but if we do see it, im definitely publishing the story.
1135293;1431892417;davout;mircea_popescu: yup, not saying it's possible, saying that would be definitive proof
1135294;1431892432;mircea_popescu;it would be, yes, if it were to somehow be found.
1135295;1431892442;asciilifeform;actually the necessary diddle would be small:
1135296;1431892447;asciilifeform;anything that doesn't check self-sigs.
1135297;1431892451;davout;yep, not saying anything more
1135298;1431892461;asciilifeform;probably includes at least one 'www-based' pgptron
1135299;1431892465;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, i suspect it's more subtle than that.
1135300;1431892483;asciilifeform;subtle bug triggered by really terrible keys?
1135301;1431892485;asciilifeform;also possible
1135302;1431892486;mircea_popescu;there's a long tradition of "must fail to pass" bullshit seen in the wild, and allegedly not originated by nsa
1135303;1431892488;asciilifeform;perhaps even remote exec
1135304;1431892502;mircea_popescu;for all you know this is the magic packet required to X.
1135305;1431892528;asciilifeform;somebody wanna copy cryptome on this ?
1135306;1431892559;mircea_popescu;im letting things settle for a day and plan to write a follow-up.
1135307;1431892561;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1135308;1431892562;asciilifeform;speaking of which, mega-l0l (unrelated) - http://cryptome.org/2015/05/william-mcneilly.pdf
1135309;1431892622;asciilifeform;'This contains references to CB8890: The instructions for the safety and security of the Trident II D5
1135310;1431892622;asciilifeform;strategic weapon system. I'm sure all the Strategic Weapon System (SWS) personnel are scratching
1135311;1431892622;asciilifeform;their heads and wondering how I'm writing this on my personnel laptop and referencing a book,
1135312;1431892622;asciilifeform;which is contained within a safe in the Missile Control Centre (MCC). The MCC is the
1135313;1431892622;asciilifeform;compartment used to control the launch of the nuclear missiles. It can only be accessed by people
1135314;1431892622;asciilifeform;on the access list, and no personnel electronics are allowed. I was on the access list but how could I
1135315;1431892622;trinque;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1XXN25S.txt << nothing too crazy
1135316;1431892682;asciilifeform;have gotten a copy of every single chapter on to my phone? A hidden camera? No. Smuggled the
1135317;1431892682;asciilifeform;book out then filmed it? No. What I did was walk into a room were no recording devices are
1135318;1431892682;asciilifeform;allowed. I sat down; took my Samsung Galaxy SII (white) out of my pocket, and recorded the entire
1135319;1431892682;asciilifeform;book word for word. I held the phone still, about a foot in front of my face and anyone who looked
1135320;1431892682;asciilifeform;at the screen or used common sense, would've seen I was recording. There were other SWS
1135321;1431892682;asciilifeform;personnel in the room; in the video you can see a SWS JR about 3 feet in front of me talking to
1135322;1431892682;asciilifeform;another SWS JR sitting right beside me.'
1135323;1431892694;mircea_popescu;lol.
1135324;1431892699;mircea_popescu;so do they actually work ?
1135325;1431892717;asciilifeform;trinque: neat
1135326;1431892723;asciilifeform;trinque: consider contacting the maintainers
1135327;1431892731;mircea_popescu;!up rororo
1135328;1431892747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no idea how genuine the text, but riotously funny
1135329;1431892762;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah I'll bother the ebuild guy for this
1135330;1431892926;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: http://dpaste.com/00YX117 << plain txt
1135331;1431892986;mircea_popescu;trinque is this like the only bit of c code deployed without stdint ? i wonder if he had a reason
1135332;1431892986;asciilifeform;^^ recced to all. hilarious turd
1135333;1431893094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, i know of no better proof that the "atomic weapons not actually militarily useful" than this sort of perennial wank.
1135334;1431893101;trinque;mircea_popescu: seems it might've worked against an older glibc
1135335;1431893111;trinque;which perhaps implicitly included that?
1135336;1431893122;trinque;I know not.
1135337;1431893138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tard.png << glorious fan mail
1135338;1431893216;trinque;lol?!
1135339;1431893217;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform useless without sender field ; uninteresting if it's anything but sam altman
1135340;1431893233;mircea_popescu;i'd have added "or one of his harem slaves" but iirc he's a twink
1135341;1431893277;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing random anon lulz, https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#187
1135342;1431893337;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1135343;1431893337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: going by the style, it's our old phriend, mr spam
1135344;1431893337;asciilifeform;post on loper-os.org updated to include tard.png
1135345;1431893337;trinque;ye gods the autism
1135346;1431893337;ben_vulpes;that's some top kek
1135347;1431893343;asciilifeform;buysometime42@gmail.com
1135348;1431893348;asciilifeform;throwaway
1135349;1431893353;mircea_popescu;how the system can�t pass tests to show it could�ve launched ha!
1135350;1431893355;mircea_popescu;!up tuxforce
1135351;1431893415;ben_vulpes;gotta be ninjashogun
1135352;1431893446;asciilifeform;the sheer mental breakage required to waste one's time so.
1135353;1431893484;asciilifeform;in other news, we got another.
1135354;1431893495;ben_vulpes;"Not known to me -> No." << omg
1135355;1431893601;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu you have mail.
1135356;1431893769;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114220 << republished it jic
1135357;1431893829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this new one's a dev too.
1135358;1431893829;asciilifeform;check him out
1135359;1431893829;mircea_popescu;9. for crying out loud, NOT EVEN SINGLE USE.
1135360;1431893830;asciilifeform;well, 3
1135361;1431893839;mircea_popescu;this, if indeed reflective of an implementation error, shows an entirely different bug
1135362;1431893846;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is consistent with 'cosmic rays'
1135363;1431893846;mircea_popescu;you should check to make sure yo udon't use the same prime TWICE
1135364;1431893859;asciilifeform;a number with flipped bit is likely to be divisible by smallint
1135365;1431893892;trinque;lol, article's at #28 now with way more points than those above
1135366;1431893924;trinque;there are older articles with fewer points above
1135367;1431894069;mircea_popescu;doubleplusungood article!
1135368;1431894172;mircea_popescu;what i don't get is, how exactly you reproduce this ? i can't seem to make sks server to accept extra, unsigned subkeys from anyone.
1135369;1431894181;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this one's another 'invalid subkey...'
1135370;1431894188;mircea_popescu;moreover, the way it presents the blob is as a single, shares pgp key blob
1135371;1431894233;mircea_popescu;so can anyone get a key server, no matter which, to somehow swallow up an extra subkey for an existing key ?
1135372;1431894245;asciilifeform;evidently
1135373;1431894249;mircea_popescu;how ?
1135374;1431894256;asciilifeform;the entire blob, notice, as per rfc2440/4880, is not in any way hashed
1135375;1431894264;mircea_popescu;so ?
1135376;1431894269;asciilifeform;the way you do it is 1) take existing 2) feed in place of old
1135377;1431894281;asciilifeform;it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected.
1135378;1431894292;mircea_popescu;i must be doing something wrong then
1135379;1431894440;trinque;and articles are moving around it, yet it stays where it's pinned
1135380;1431894446;trinque;#1 -> #20 -> #28
1135381;1431894448;trinque;hilarious
1135382;1431894464;mircea_popescu;"We are at war, with a new kind of enemy. The terrorists have infiltrated every nation on our planet." tsk tsk now how would will mcneilly know this.
1135383;1431894497;mircea_popescu;trinque it is pretty lulzy.
1135384;1431894581;BingoBoingo;What a fucking morning to sleep in !!! Digesting Convos around Phuctor's discovery and writing up some news.
1135385;1431894622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00028283 = 6.3071 BTC [-]
1135386;1431894677;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561595
1135387;1431894737;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol you slept with lady luck eh ?
1135388;1431894737;asciilifeform;l0l reddit broken
1135389;1431894747;mircea_popescu;aww, links beleeted again ?
1135390;1431894757;asciilifeform;nah just overload
1135391;1431894794;asciilifeform;i expect it'll all be memory-holed shortly.
1135392;1431894801;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, downside of sleeping in is I missed a timely annoucement of keys shattering. On the plus side Am I reading it right, that the pattern seems to be various sorts of strongset people have these weak keys, almost exclusively?
1135393;1431894813;asciilifeform;after folks start going 'snore, it's just another gnu dev with b0rk3d key'
1135394;1431894838;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/8dQXf https://archive.is/couZ1 https://archive.is/0CuN2 if anyone gives a shit at some point
1135395;1431895018;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a few folks appear to have bit-corrupted keys on sks
1135396;1431895018;trinque;I'm about as amazed with how rapidly the various "news" sites can respond to this
1135397;1431895018;trinque;by respond I mean bury
1135398;1431895018;asciilifeform;(nothing, afaik, has been signed publicly with them)
1135399;1431895018;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the official story seems to be that keys got accidentally.
1135400;1431895018;asciilifeform;accidentally gnu devs aha
1135401;1431895018;BingoBoingo;But this accidentally seems to mostly affect a certain kind of person
1135402;1431895018;mircea_popescu;so far at least.
1135403;1431895018;mircea_popescu;trinque within the hour. not so terribru.
1135404;1431895018;asciilifeform;#2 is small change
1135405;1431895018;asciilifeform;(though he programs)
1135406;1431895018;asciilifeform;#1 and #3 - not so much
1135407;1431895018;asciilifeform;their factor-counterparts, i do not yet know
1135408;1431895018;asciilifeform;but of them, there are also 3.
1135409;1431895452;asciilifeform;any student could build 'phuctor'
1135410;1431895472;asciilifeform;(distributed not in the 'faster' sense - it cannot be - but the 'remove single juicy target' sense)
1135411;1431895486;asciilifeform;oughta be part of ordinary keyserv practice.
1135412;1431895488;mircea_popescu;people dun wanna werk tho.
1135413;1431895506;mircea_popescu;people wanna sperg all day on "social media" and "attract investors".
1135414;1431895531;asciilifeform;those aren't people.
1135415;1431895532;trinque;seems this is actually glibc fuckery re: dieharder
1135416;1431895538;asciilifeform;trinque: ??
1135417;1431895541;mircea_popescu;Zoe Quinn is the role model, dumbass made a "game" that wouldn't have passed muster in the early sierra adventure games
1135418;1431895607;trinque;asciilifeform: unistd.h uses intptr_t within, yet does not include stdint.h
1135419;1431895630;asciilifeform;trinque: i've run into this kind of thing on several occasions.
1135420;1431895635;asciilifeform;not yet sure what to make of it.
1135421;1431895652;trinque;"whatever used this also had an include for stdint.h so who cares" ?
1135422;1431895719;*;asciilifeform meatspace break, bbl
1135423;1431895731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-No,-nobody-has-factored-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html  if you care.
1135424;1431895825;trinque;"I assume they are produced by network errors, harddisk failures or software bugs. It may also be that someone just created them in some experiment."
1135425;1431895827;trinque;ahahaha
1135426;1431895834;*;trinque purchases bulk tinfoil
1135427;1431895858;mircea_popescu;!up stevko_
1135428;1431895888;mircea_popescu;trinque imagine if "network errors, harddisk failures" worked this way.
1135429;1431895904;mircea_popescu;it'd stop warez dead in its tracks, seeing how you couldn't watch any movie or anything.
1135430;1431895922;mircea_popescu;but yes, software bugs. now that we got to software bugs...
1135431;1431896072;mircea_popescu;!up beautyon
1135432;1431896163;mircea_popescu;the instructor said don't touch anything. A crew member responded by saying �it doesn't matter none of it works anyway, you can touch what you want.�
1135433;1431896164;mircea_popescu;bwahgaha
1135434;1431896215;danielpbarron;>> There is a service called Phunctor where you can upload a key and it'll check it against a set of known vulnerable moduli.
1135435;1431896431;trinque;now #93 lol
1135436;1431896435;*;trinque is done watching that
1135437;1431896444;trinque;criminals everywhere.
1135438;1431896482;mircea_popescu;i updated the article to lulz a little at the ydumbinator crew
1135439;1431896613;trinque;https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531268
1135440;1431896673;trinque;guy sends me to go bother whoever can fix glibc
1135441;1431896673;trinque;and I will, if only as an exercise in whether it's actually possible to get something fixed in glibc
1135442;1431896795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00027823 = 2.8797 BTC [-]
1135443;1431896917;ben_vulpes;"Someone handed you an ebuild, and you don't know what to do with it? Fear not, for here be instructions!" << docs with a dash of humor
1135444;1431896995;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134624 <<< i'll defer to BingoBoingo for this story, i sorta grasp the situation but not really enough to do a story justice
1135445;1431896995;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 16:10:13; mircea_popescu: achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa.
1135446;1431897018;mircea_popescu;!up prx
1135447;1431897049;prx;thx mircea_popescu
1135448;1431897050;mircea_popescu;trinque we were looking for someone to fix glibc earlier too
1135449;1431897057;mircea_popescu;for the libnss debacle.
1135450;1431897078;mircea_popescu;there is theoretical support, but in practice the lists seem dead and i have nfi who can even undertake that beast of a task
1135451;1431897080;prx;just wanted to see myself what's up here with those insane broken keys
1135452;1431897091;mircea_popescu;prx log's in the topic.
1135453;1431897116;prx;mircea_popescu: yep, thx. I'll stay here forlivestuff, if that's fine with you guys
1135454;1431897133;trinque;https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549754
1135455;1431897193;trinque;tragedy of the commons; everyone fucks glibc and no one pays her medical bills
1135456;1431897193;mircea_popescu;prx sure
1135457;1431897219;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135377 < if this were the case i should also be able to replace your key with mine. doesn't seem that works tho
1135458;1431897219;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 20:24:41; asciilifeform: it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected.
1135459;1431897243;mircea_popescu;prx are you getting flooded btw ? some people complaied.
1135460;1431897310;prx;mircea_popescu: Not yet, will yell if it pops up.
1135461;1431897340;mircea_popescu;been some internet tough guy months ago "destroying us" by flooding noobs, but i had thought he gave up meanwhile.
1135462;1431897368;prx;So you're on someones hatelist :)
1135463;1431897397;mircea_popescu;ah, plenty of people.
1135464;1431897427;ben_vulpes;the more the merrier...
1135465;1431897472;prx;Having the right enemies might be more interesting than having the wrong friends
1135466;1431897494;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema sec waxman
1135467;1431897496;gribble;Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/>; The SEC asked this Romanian Bitcoin CEO for private data to probe ...: <https://ihb.io/2014-03-20/news/sec-asked-romanian-bitcoin-ceo-private-data-response-4087>; MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ...: (1 more message)
1135468;1431897502;mircea_popescu;can start there lawls.
1135469;1431897614;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134581 << amusingly enough, that 0.02 is obviously the house. nobody took the opposing side.
1135470;1431897614;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 14:42:17; mats: i loled. 1.08btc on 0.02btc
1135471;1431897635;asciilifeform;omfg the idiocy.
1135472;1431897642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's post all 3
1135473;1431897648;asciilifeform;so we can put the 'cosmic rays' folks to rest.
1135474;1431897717;mircea_popescu;the wicked may never rest.
1135475;1431897997;mircea_popescu;win ?
1135476;1431897998;mircea_popescu;!up alphonse23_
1135477;1431898009;alphonse23_;thanks
1135478;1431898056;mircea_popescu;aha. who're you ?
1135479;1431898061;alphonse23_;I came because of the 4096-rsa article
1135480;1431898079;mircea_popescu;aite.
1135481;1431898114;alphonse23_;mostly curious why HN would care to hide the story?
1135482;1431898126;alphonse23_;but from the article it was reported here.
1135483;1431898133;davout;re the bitbet, this guy had it: "So I can still drop bad keys on purpose? Or key had to be added before announcing this bet?"
1135484;1431898139;trinque;alphonse23_: interesting, eh? it plummeted from #1 very strangely
1135485;1431898145;mircea_popescu;graham, altman &co are butthurt because we regularly mock their "venture capitalism" ? i dunno
1135486;1431898148;mircea_popescu;!up tcrypt
1135487;1431898159;alphonse23_;HN has changed a lot in the pass few months
1135488;1431898168;alphonse23_;it's a lot more heavily moderated
1135489;1431898184;alphonse23_;i've been going there daily for years, and I've noticed the change
1135490;1431898186;mircea_popescu;davout that bet promises to be a conundrum to resolve.
1135491;1431898191;davout;no shit
1135492;1431898231;alphonse23_;but this, the mod manipulating titles -- for whatever reason. There's ton of down voting too.
1135493;1431898251;alphonse23_;it's like, their in league with the NSA now or something...
1135494;1431898257;mircea_popescu;eh, their site, they can do whatever they please.
1135495;1431898263;mircea_popescu;i don't personally use it.
1135496;1431898278;davout;the bet was misworded from the beginning, had someone intentionally created a set of shitty keys and fed the to the phuctor, it would resolve as yes
1135497;1431898303;davout;the title diddling on HN is documented in the comments actually
1135498;1431898312;mircea_popescu;the conundrum is more along the lines of "what constitutes a key"
1135499;1431898358;mircea_popescu;alphonse23_ anyway, the mistake here is for members of the public naive enough to imagine conde nast / ycombinator / etc sites represent anything but the alt-reality their owners have a financial interest in.
1135500;1431898369;davout;that's the easy part i think "anything recognized as such by asset's favorite gnupg version"
1135501;1431898369;trinque;this guy's making me write a test program to fix an include in glibc
1135502;1431898371;mircea_popescu;they will farm said naive members of the public for free content, yes.
1135503;1431898371;trinque;lol
1135504;1431898374;mircea_popescu;but that's as far as it goes.
1135505;1431898379;trinque;it's plainly visible looking at the header itself
1135506;1431898392;mircea_popescu;davout then i suppose it's not broken yet ?
1135507;1431898423;davout;mircea_popescu: well, if i craft a key whose factors are 1 and 3, theoretically it's a valid gpg key
1135508;1431898436;davout;if i then submit a key whose factors are 3 and 5
1135509;1431898449;davout;phuxxored they are, to yes the bet should resolve
1135510;1431898459;mircea_popescu;!up joshbuddy
1135511;1431898466;mircea_popescu;davout yes, had you done it afore the bet i guess.
1135512;1431898468;alphonse23_;mircea_popescu: but to do it so openly, how does that not hurt them.
1135513;1431898480;davout;mircea_popescu: right, the bet does specify the number of moduli to test
1135514;1431898495;joshbuddy;hiya, just hanging out after reading the hilarious rsa key blog post by .. umm you
1135515;1431898496;mircea_popescu;alphonse23_ whom has heardbleed hurt ?
1135516;1431898500;alphonse23_;so where the hell do I get my tech news from. Reddit? they Y combinator owns them too.
1135517;1431898504;mircea_popescu;joshbuddy enjoy.
1135518;1431898522;mircea_popescu;alphonse23_ once gossipd is done, i guess there.
1135519;1431898535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47155 @ 0.00028062 = 13.2326 BTC [+] {3} 
1135520;1431898603;alphonse23_;"MQTT broker in golang" first time hearing about it
1135521;1431898648;mircea_popescu;!s gossipd
1135522;1431898648;assbot;103 results for 'gossipd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossipd
1135523;1431898695;mircea_popescu;alphonse23_ an ad-interim solution is of course variety. there's qntra doing bitcoin news. there's 8chan doing all sorts of things.
1135524;1431898710;mircea_popescu;the man of one book, like the man of one site, is never too close to truth
1135525;1431898794;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134618 << seeing how the factors so far have been 3, 7 and 11... i imagine all the truely bad keys will be in one of those (possibly most/all of those) groups
1135526;1431898794;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 15:59:46; adlai: jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first
1135527;1431898847;alphonse23_;sure. it just a shame. hacker news was a real gem back in the day. I'm sure it's inevitable, as things become more mainstream, they get too political, and less honest. Now I have to go out a find good honest news from somewhere underground.
1135528;1431898862;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] lords of cascadia - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/17_lords-of-cascadia.html
1135529;1431898922;ben_vulpes;september forever
1135530;1431898922;mircea_popescu;just the way that goes.
1135531;1431898974;ben_vulpes;<gabriel_laddel> I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << i'm on this minimal time workout kick lately
1135532;1431899046;ben_vulpes;put 20lbs of bricks in backpack, bike to 'mountain', park bike at base of tabor (http://www.communitywalk.com/map/list/394038?order=0), brick up stairs twice, roll back to office
1135533;1431899060;ben_vulpes;got it down to 35 minutes.
1135534;1431899085;mircea_popescu;sounds like you're a pashtun training for marriage
1135535;1431899091;mircea_popescu;(the kidnapping 13 yo bride part)
1135536;1431899105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35574 @ 0.00028595 = 10.1724 BTC [+] {2} 
1135537;1431899205;ben_vulpes;i thought that was a family activity
1135538;1431899225;ben_vulpes;(because malnutrition?)
1135539;1431899239;ben_vulpes;http://www.ap-linux.com/ << why does this need to be its own distro?
1135540;1431899299;mircea_popescu;other than because some she-geeks are cute and people try to hit on them with "hy babyy i r maek distro" ?
1135541;1431899573;ben_vulpes;DreadKnight: how's the game coming?
1135542;1431900082;trinque;https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549754 << specific incantation that breaks the glibc headers
1135543;1431900234;ben_vulpes;i'm getting the impression with gentoo that i should copy the dieharder source into mydiehardfork overlay and then emerge mydiehard fork - how wrong is this?
1135544;1431900259;trinque;ben_vulpes: probably faster than waiting for a glibc fix :^)
1135545;1431900272;ben_vulpes;lol yeah that's indeed the conclusion i came to
1135546;1431900279;trinque;yeah that's right, put your own hand-carved ebuilds in your local overlay
1135547;1431900305;*;trinque brb
1135548;1431900569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47990 @ 0.00027705 = 13.2956 BTC [-] {2} 
1135549;1431900916;jurov;jus' looking on code path that produces the "invalid subkey binding" message, found this:
1135550;1431900923;jurov;http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=blob;f=g10/sig-check.c;h=fc5e1fa41ac6d4414bbc2ffa3ffc695b02d70749;hb=be136273454532d94a955fbbcfa1544b47cad954#l609
1135551;1431900983;jurov; /* does this make sense????? */
1135552;1431900984;jurov;not implying anything, only found the commnt lulzy
1135553;1431901068;mircea_popescu;!up zlrth
1135554;1431901082;mircea_popescu;looking in there is the right thing jurov so props.
1135555;1431901090;mircea_popescu;http://blog.fefe.de/  < i think this guy was here earlier ?
1135556;1431901150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00027703 = 10.4025 BTC [-]
1135557;1431901150;mircea_popescu;"Proudly made without PHP, Java, Perl, MySQL and Postgres"
1135558;1431901168;ben_vulpes;confirmed for being in over my head with overlays
1135559;1431901176;mircea_popescu;also Heilige Schei�e has a nice ring to it.
1135560;1431901658;ben_vulpes;so is qntra not writing up the gpbacle?
1135561;1431901685;mircea_popescu;iirc BingoBoingo is working in it
1135562;1431901799;mircea_popescu;copypaste any idea why https://8ch.net/btc/res/183.html#183 yields a 404 when one clicks reply ?
1135563;1431901859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114226 "Because Phuctor shows me an Internal Server Error when I try to test a key."
1135564;1431901926;ben_vulpes;!up DreadKnight
1135565;1431901929;ben_vulpes;there ya go
1135566;1431901943;DreadKnight;yey, cheers
1135567;1431901959;DreadKnight;usually too lazy to do the whole thing manually
1135568;1431901986;DreadKnight;regarding the game, polishing documentation and preparing some a crowd funding
1135569;1431901993;DreadKnight;if I secure a bit of cash, things will run smoothly
1135570;1431902033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561547 << check it out, people were doing lectures at stanford about phuctor, omitting to mention phuctor.
1135571;1431902093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00028352 = 1.5027 BTC [+]
1135572;1431902093;mircea_popescu;i'm looking forward to all the gavin lectures about the perils of larger blocksizes. also at stanford.
1135573;1431902122;mircea_popescu;pushed by someone with... a keybase.io account.
1135574;1431902125;mircea_popescu;because ofcourse.
1135575;1431902154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00028602 = 11.4122 BTC [+]
1135576;1431902174;mircea_popescu;bitrated.com/zmanian/ << there's even a chump wot and everything
1135577;1431902180;mircea_popescu;no doubt, ALSO lectured about at stanford.
1135578;1431902183;mircea_popescu;also made in march
1135579;1431902186;mircea_popescu;also etc etc etc.
1135580;1431902450;ben_vulpes;DreadKnight: whaddaya need the funding for? i thought you wrote the thing yourself.
1135581;1431902497;mircea_popescu;!up Humean
1135582;1431902508;trinque;ben_vulpes: pssh, those sweet office chairs with 5-way lumbar support for one
1135583;1431902513;Humean;woah neat i feel special
1135584;1431902519;Humean;thanks assbot
1135585;1431902527;ben_vulpes;trinque: keep laughing, you'll be renting a desk soon
1135586;1431902560;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh don't misunderstand, I am a big fan of the 5-way lumbar support
1135587;1431902562;ben_vulpes;we rearranged the deck chairs last week, place feels almost like humans and not nerds
1135588;1431902567;trinque;fancy
1135589;1431902580;trinque;and I hear there's not one cat on the premises
1135590;1431902588;ben_vulpes;NO FUCKING CATS.
1135591;1431902737;ben_vulpes;!up evhan
1135592;1431902750;mircea_popescu;aite ima be out for a while. laters.
1135593;1431902767;mats;http://nypost.com/2015/05/17/al-sharptons-daughter-sues-city-for-5m-after-spraining-ankle/
1135594;1431902827;evhan;ty ben_vulpes
1135595;1431902827;ben_vulpes;what brings you by, evhan?
1135596;1431902877;evhan;Mention on loper-os, swung by out of curiosity.
1135597;1431902898;DreadKnight;ben_vulpes, didn't coded the gameplay, it's a bit above my skill level; anyway, even if I did 100% of the thing, would still need funding
1135598;1431902979;ben_vulpes;serenissima runs on slave labor
1135599;1431903033;DreadKnight;the republic of Venice?
1135600;1431903091;DreadKnight;the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD
1135601;1431903289;ben_vulpes;that last 10% is more expensive than anyone ever expects
1135602;1431903419;DreadKnight;there's sure something strange going on when it comes to the last few steps
1135603;1431903458;ben_vulpes;why would people work on it for free?
1135604;1431903479;DreadKnight;we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps
1135605;1431903559;DreadKnight;well, there are quite a few reasons, crediting (name/link), experience, the joy of contributing to something bigger just to name a few
1135606;1431903628;DreadKnight;the other day found out that a cg animation series done in blender by just one dude used quite a few of the creatures from my project :)
1135607;1431903640;ben_vulpes;heh
1135608;1431903652;decimation;there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a
1135609;1431903659;DreadKnight;the project itself is free, so this stuff is allowed provided crediting is done
1135610;1431903679;decimation;that hboeck link is top on hn now
1135611;1431903713;trinque;decimation: fancy that eh?
1135612;1431903714;ben_vulpes;DreadKnight: i thought the thing was supposed to make money?
1135613;1431903753;trinque;decimation: got there quick too
1135614;1431903812;ben_vulpes;!up DreadKnight
1135615;1431903827;ben_vulpes;lol
1135616;1431903829;DreadKnight;xD
1135617;1431903838;DreadKnight;even if something is free, it can still make money
1135618;1431903858;decimation;I thought ninjashogun was one of the h-n mods?
1135619;1431903860;DreadKnight;gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft
1135620;1431903865;ben_vulpes;decimation: in his dreams
1135621;1431903963;ben_vulpes;DreadKnight: every single one of those companies pays their employees.
1135622;1431903995;ben_vulpes;people working for a link or publicity need to have some sort of assurance that their time so spent is going to yield a return.
1135623;1431904009;ben_vulpes;(i mean, everyone does, right? for every thing that we do.)
1135624;1431904030;trinque;DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs
1135625;1431904110;DreadKnight;ben_vulpes, a return is not always needed, some people do things for passion or practice; there are quite a few nice free open source games out there and software, most likely the browser you are making is done half by unpaid contributors
1135626;1431904129;DreadKnight;trinque, the ad crap is my last option
1135627;1431904158;ben_vulpes;i'm just trying to point out why you're having problems retaining horsepower is all
1135628;1431904203;ben_vulpes;just because she doesn't care about her boyfriend around that other guy doesn't mean diddly when it comes to your desire to get up her skirt
1135629;1431904204;DreadKnight;ben_vulpes, yeah, I'm aware, that's why it's perfectly fine to pay people to work on open source and it's why I need some funding or get better at coding
1135630;1431904264;DreadKnight;anyway, I partnered up with a coder this year, will see how that goes in the long run
1135631;1431904287;williamdunne;>Forget MPEX. The best/most reliable stock exchange is, by far, BTCT.CO.
1135632;1431904296;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
1135633;1431904300;ben_vulpes;good afternoon, pete
1135634;1431904340;pete_dushenski;afternoon ben_vulpes !
1135635;1431904352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00028602 = 15.0017 BTC [+]
1135636;1431904363;ben_vulpes;following the key drama?
1135637;1431904370;pete_dushenski;and a big pacific howdy from the coast !
1135638;1431904379;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes indeed. just catching up on it.
1135639;1431904394;decimation;pete_dushenski: where are you at? vancouver?
1135640;1431904397;pete_dushenski;i tested and re-tested my key a *few* times already
1135641;1431904406;pete_dushenski;decimation even better : victoria
1135642;1431904416;ben_vulpes;ah vbc is byootiful
1135643;1431904427;ben_vulpes;ferry's fucking expensive, though.
1135644;1431904430;decimation;yeah I've been through there, I wouldn't mind going back
1135645;1431904435;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes ya not cheap eh
1135646;1431904452;ben_vulpes;well, en velo...
1135647;1431904457;ben_vulpes;on?
1135648;1431904468;ben_vulpes;how would i say "on bike" in french?
1135649;1431904478;pete_dushenski;decimation it's quite the place. not quite summer here yet tho. still only 16-18C during the day.
1135650;1431904489;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes sur velo ?
1135651;1431904496;pete_dushenski;no, par velo
1135652;1431904500;pete_dushenski;"by bike"
1135653;1431904503;ben_vulpes;davout:
1135654;1431904532;pete_dushenski;"sur" is too literal of a translation from english, "par bicyclete" even.
1135655;1431904612;decimation;I don't think it ever gets too hot there?
1135656;1431904619;decimation;the pacific moderates
1135657;1431904624;mxtm;pete_dushenski: spanish uses en for "by" in cases of transportation
1135658;1431904632;mxtm;which translates "in/on"
1135659;1431904638;mxtm;fwiw
1135660;1431904653;decimation;https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-About-the-supposed-factoring-of-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html#comments < heh the hboeck guy admits he doesn't really know of which he speaks
1135661;1431904713;pete_dushenski;en carro, sure.
1135662;1431904713;mxtm;en bici, etcétera
1135663;1431904713;pete_dushenski;mxtm aha. sounds like anglocization but what do i know.
1135664;1431904714;mxtm;i dunno either
1135665;1431904772;pete_dushenski;decimation who's the hboeck guy again ?
1135666;1431904841;*;pete_dushenski checks logs.
1135667;1431904866;trinque;pete_dushenski: the guy who ended up top comment on the HN post
1135668;1431904869;trinque;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560790
1135669;1431904929;pete_dushenski;ahaha mr. "i'm almost certain"
1135670;1431905056;williamdunne;I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for two purposes, selling drugs and pretending to know stuff you don't
1135671;1431905068;williamdunne;Anything outside of that is just abusing the tech
1135672;1431905226;decimation;asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561764 < lol you butthurt the mr. spam mod
1135673;1431905286;pete_dushenski;williamdunne except... the internet sucks for drugs. mp has an ancient essay on the matter.
1135674;1431905286;decimation;pete_dushenski: mircea's 'story' on hacker news was quickly demoted to well below visibile for most folks
1135675;1431905287;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Wasn't the first transaction ever completed on the internet the purchase of weed?
1135676;1431905291;decimation;meanwhile this guy (hboeck) has a post that pretty much says "nothing to worry about", and is promoted to #1
1135677;1431905303;pete_dushenski;williamdunne http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/
1135678;1431905364;pete_dushenski;decimation lulzy.
1135679;1431905364;pete_dushenski;williamdunne the first transaction was knowledge, no ?
1135680;1431905664;williamdunne;pete_dushenski: Trade then
1135681;1431905667;williamdunne;Okay
1135682;1431905679;williamdunne;Read the article, and I still don't see how that makes it bad for the last mile
1135683;1431905702;williamdunne;Obviously 10 tonnes of cocaine isn't going to be carried by FedEx
1135684;1431905754;ben_vulpes;for one, fedex doesn't hire its submersibles out yet
1135685;1431905768;ben_vulpes;people aren't even supposed to know those exist
1135686;1431905993;pete_dushenski;williamdunne i really have nfi what the first trade was. if you say it's weed, we'll go with that, but that doesn't mean that first=best
1135687;1431906012;williamdunne;Very trye
1135688;1431906013;williamdunne;*true
1135689;1431906030;williamdunne;ben_vulpes: Family friend is working on something kinda cool for the other side
1135690;1431906041;williamdunne;Well, owns the company doing it
1135691;1431906050;ben_vulpes;what does "kinda cool" mean
1135692;1431906057;ben_vulpes;last mile delivery?
1135693;1431906085;williamdunne;Its a line of speedboats that can go underwater on command without any real preparation to collect drugs dropped from boats
1135694;1431906091;williamdunne;For the coast guard to stop drug smugglers
1135695;1431906095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00028602 = 16.5463 BTC [+]
1135696;1431906103;williamdunne;Disagree with the cause, but pretty cool project IMIO
1135697;1431906107;ben_vulpes;excellent bezzletron
1135698;1431906121;ben_vulpes;won't work, wrong target etc
1135699;1431906137;ben_vulpes;but if they're draining derpbuxx from the beast more power to 'em
1135700;1431906142;williamdunne;Government contracts don't need to work
1135701;1431906160;ben_vulpes;and moreover cannot actually.
1135702;1431906162;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
1135703;1431906175;pete_dushenski;cheers ben_vulpes
1135704;1431906195;ben_vulpes;;;$(sleep 3600 && echo "!up pete_dushenski")
1135705;1431906196;gribble;Error: "$(sleep" is not a valid command.
1135706;1431906258;pete_dushenski;you tried !
1135707;1431906267;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1135708;1431906283;ben_vulpes;> gribble is not a tty. falling back to telnet.
1135709;1431906860;jurov;*gribble on fire
1135710;1431906896;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
1135711;1431906910;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes thx!
1135712;1431906915;ben_vulpes;de rien
1135713;1431906971;pete_dushenski;fuckin pawn brokers in this town i tell ya
1135714;1431906985;ben_vulpes;?
1135715;1431906998;pete_dushenski;you'd swear they were trying to keep their inventory for their grandchildren
1135716;1431907012;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] how to process bitcoin transactions for your webapp (or: the ghetto watch-only-wallet) - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/17_how-to-process-bitcoin-transactions-for-your-webapp-or-the-ghetto-watch-only-wallet.html
1135717;1431907072;pete_dushenski;so i walk into a shop on the edge of chinatown and find a beautiful mid-century modern walnut table
1135718;1431907072;pete_dushenski;complete with two leaf inserts. perfect height (tall), in good condition, only $270 !
1135719;1431907085;pete_dushenski;so i want to ship it home, naturally.
1135720;1431907090;pete_dushenski;no can do, they tell me.
1135721;1431907119;pete_dushenski;all they have are cardboard boxes, no freight boxes, no shipping relationships in place, no arrangements can be made.
1135722;1431907165;pete_dushenski;honestly, there are thousands of cruise ship tourist visiting victoria daily, and these assderps haven't figured out shipping a box 1,000km IN THE SAME COUNTRY
1135723;1431907177;pete_dushenski;no customs, no duty, nothing complicated.
1135724;1431907194;pete_dushenski;just basic frieght is too complicated for these people.
1135725;1431907201;pete_dushenski;completely nuts.
1135726;1431907230;ben_vulpes;call dhl breh
1135727;1431907271;chetty;http://blogged.com/ search for 4096
1135728;1431907331;chetty;the replacement story is already up hehe
1135729;1431907352;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes i've used fedex freight before, they'll come pick up the package from wherever and deliver it wherever.
1135730;1431907368;pete_dushenski;but box it up for you ? i'd be surprised.
1135731;1431907414;ben_vulpes;your privilege is dripping on the floor
1135732;1431907559;pete_dushenski;wtf my privilege nothing. i'm getting on a plane tmrw morning and it's not so much to ask to have a seller of goods to crate a fucking table for transport.
1135733;1431907592;ben_vulpes;heh
1135734;1431907601;pete_dushenski;or w/e, mebbe my privilege knows no bounds. hey, i'm not the one losing business.
1135735;1431907639;ben_vulpes;win some lose some
1135736;1431907651;pete_dushenski;ya, tis just a table.
1135737;1431907673;pete_dushenski;i didn't want one that bad when i woke up, just saw the right one at the right price and wanted it.
1135738;1431907676;pete_dushenski;ah well.
1135739;1431907941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45707 @ 0.00027956 = 12.7778 BTC [-]
1135740;1431908051;ben_vulpes;mwell i'm off for a spell
1135741;1431908061;ben_vulpes;trying out a new fried chicken joint
1135742;1431908448;decimation;pete_dushenski: surprising.  I thought those kinds of tourist shops specialized in shipping
1135743;1431908471;pete_dushenski;decimation seriously. you'd think so, but you'd think wrong.
1135744;1431908494;pete_dushenski;i guess there's enough local demand in this retirement town that they don't have to try.
1135745;1431908509;pete_dushenski;very nice, seemingly helpful staff, entirely inept.
1135746;1431908563;pete_dushenski;http://www.barclays-exchange.com << these guys.
1135747;1431908627;pete_dushenski;"We have been in business for nearly 26 years and hold a full pawnbroking license to buy, sell and loan." << no mention of shipping eh...
1135748;1431908689;decimation;fun fact: there's a part of vancouver, bc that is us territory (point roberts)
1135749;1431908763;decimation;also, victoria is well south of the canada-us border
1135750;1431908879;danielpbarron;!up pete_dushenski
1135751;1431908888;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron ty!
1135752;1431908944;pete_dushenski;decimation that it is. though victoria feels like a million miles away from us-istan.
1135753;1431908996;decimation;heh.  I guess I can see why a pawn shop wouldn't bother with shipping
1135754;1431909067;pete_dushenski;decimation why's that ?
1135755;1431909095;decimation;I suppose they figure enough derps would come and go on foot
1135756;1431909110;decimation;but I imagine that they could sell on the internet for $$
1135757;1431909121;decimation;their website is unwhelming
1135758;1431909177;pete_dushenski;these guys obviously fail at the internet.
1135759;1431909206;pete_dushenski;so shooting themselves in the foot is par for the course, i guess.
1135760;1431909238;decimation;pete_dushenski: are you planing on visiting any other outlying islands or the rest of bc from there?
1135761;1431909291;pete_dushenski;not this time 'round.
1135762;1431909310;pete_dushenski;i've seen most of bc previously, just hadn't been to vic in a while.
1135763;1431909331;pete_dushenski;i went to summer camp nearby in my youth
1135764;1431909398;pete_dushenski;http://campmiriam.org << this one.
1135765;1431909458;pete_dushenski;sacha baron cohen went to another camp in the same organisation ;)
1135766;1431909458;decimation;heh did they teach hebrew?
1135767;1431909458;pete_dushenski;more socialism.
1135768;1431909475;pete_dushenski;seriously, the shit in my veins !
1135769;1431909504;pete_dushenski;"solidarity forever", "ticky tacky houses", etc.
1135770;1431909520;decimation;I got screwed of out learn german from my german heritage too
1135771;1431909547;pete_dushenski;ya, i didn't get german or romanian somehow.
1135772;1431909566;pete_dushenski;this camp though had *daily* chores for like 2.5 hours.
1135773;1431909575;pete_dushenski;camp, where you do chores, imagine.
1135774;1431909580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00028607 = 3.3041 BTC [+] {2} 
1135775;1431909594;pete_dushenski;some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage.
1135776;1431909595;decimation;like, sweeping the forest?
1135777;1431909611;decimation;sounds like a good way to save on staff costs
1135778;1431909682;pete_dushenski;i wrote for the newspaper, wrote mad magazine-esque fake nooz
1135779;1431909718;pete_dushenski;decimation no doubt. it wasn't *that* expensive, at least compared to the bbyo summer camps.
1135780;1431909785;mats;ever cut grass with a pair of scissors?
1135781;1431909802;pete_dushenski;mats haha omg no. why ? have you ?
1135782;1431909841;mats;yeah. as punishment.
1135783;1431909849;pete_dushenski;parents ?
1135784;1431909868;mats;http://www.vfp62.com/IMAGES_9/mowing_grass.jpg
1135785;1431909937;pete_dushenski;you call that grass ? i trim more manbush than that on a monthly basis.
1135786;1431909943;mats;builds character (tm)
1135787;1431909983;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135775 <<< heh we had this even here but i'd walk off with the group which cleaned dishes the night before, never washed as much as a plate
1135788;1431909983;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 00:39:54; pete_dushenski: some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage.
1135789;1431910130;mats;i spent the whole day (0900-1600) with some other trainees cutting grass at battalion hq because one of the nubs in my squad saved his granola bar from the mess hall and put it in his locker where it was discovered
1135790;1431910132;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135780 <<< did this one countless times, not as punishment though, old man forced me to do it along the fenceline so he didn't have to whippersnip it
1135791;1431910132;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 00:43:05; mats: ever cut grass with a pair of scissors?
1135792;1431910151;mats;http://terminallance.com/2015/04/10/terminal-lance-374-no-party-like-a-working-party << basically this.
1135793;1431910211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27523 @ 0.00028624 = 7.8782 BTC [+]
1135794;1431910251;mats;i drank something like 6-7 litres of water that day... missouri is hot as fuck during the summer
1135795;1431910279;mats;cazalla: how much fence? several km?
1135796;1431910301;cazalla;1/4 acre block
1135797;1431910336;cazalla;wasn't just me though, he had my mother out there doing the same thing
1135798;1431910398;danielpbarron;!up referredbyloper
1135799;1431910566;mats;ah
1135800;1431910656;mats;in other news, the new Mad Max picture is quite good
1135801;1431910684;pete_dushenski;that's a bit of a surprise.
1135802;1431910688;mats;http://www.metacritic.com/movie/mad-max-fury-road << surprised metacritic treats it so well
1135803;1431910748;mats;(they tend to shit on everything)
1135804;1431910748;cazalla;aussie football ceremony lol http://gfycat.com/ThirdWeeklyChital
1135805;1431910808;decimation;mats http://www.returnofkings.com/63036/why-you-should-not-go-see-mad-max-feminist-road
1135806;1431910868;danielpbarron;!up pete_dushenski
1135807;1431910868;mats;decimation: i'm just happy to find a fun action movie that passes the Bechdel test
1135808;1431910929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16821 @ 0.00028624 = 4.8148 BTC [+]
1135809;1431910931;pete_dushenski;heh.
1135810;1431911023;pete_dushenski;http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/10-famous-films-that-surprisingly-fail-the-bechdel-test.php?all=1
1135811;1431911083;decimation;well, then sjw is where it's at
1135812;1431911691;danielpbarron;!up justJanne
1135813;1431911743;justJanne;Nah, I was just reading on the RSA factorization article where someone claimed this channel would still DDoS everyone who joins. Sadly I can’t see any of that (was hoping to see if it actually is true xD)
1135814;1431911775;danielpbarron;it comes and goes
1135815;1431911787;justJanne;I mean, I see some traffic, but it’s minimal.
1135816;1431911864;BingoBoingo;justJanne: It isn't anything done by any of the channel regulars. It's just some butthurt dickbag with an excess of unwarranted self importance who imagines they are saving the world by DoSing every ip they spot here
1135817;1431911899;justJanne;Reminds me of that guy spamming a gaming channel with links to their DDoSing company
1135818;1431911899;danielpbarron;i heard that it just targets the user who most recently joined, and especially if it is a new hostmask
1135819;1431912004;BingoBoingo;justJanne: Well the person doing it at first called themselves the reddit police and started by DoS'ing sites affiliated with regulars here. Then the sites beefed up and weren't so easy to DoS. So now they's had to settle for messing with home internet connections.
1135820;1431912006;justJanne;I got some traffic on my system from 159.118.187.45 accessing my server via HTTPS and sending a few thousand GET requests, but nothing really devastating
1135821;1431912037;williamdunne;lol what a tool
1135822;1431912039;justJanne;(I have a bouncer on my server with 1Gbps connection, so I rarely notice DDoS at all)
1135823;1431912063;mats;he's doing us a favor.
1135824;1431912069;BingoBoingo;People examining the traffic spotted that most of the zombies were ntp reflection and stuff anyone could walk away with, and they likely did leaving less to hit here with.
1135825;1431912079;mats;if you read this -- please stop by for another friendly conversation
1135826;1431912115;justJanne;I have null-routed NTP and everything anyway
1135827;1431912187;justJanne;So, they really DDoS random people?
1135828;1431912194;justJanne;or, rather DoS
1135829;1431912412;BingoBoingo;justJanne: Yeah, just anyone without a freenode cloak who joins when their spybot is online here to pull the trigger
1135830;1431912435;justJanne;BingoBoingo: tell me when the bot is online, I’d like to analyze the traffic xD
1135831;1431912436;adlai;is it an altcoin? is it a bubble? no, it's driveby moderation: http://hnrankings.info/9560790/
1135832;1431912496;BingoBoingo;justJanne: I dunno what nick it uses. Never much cared to try identifying it.
1135833;1431912496;adlai;(cf http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really-works.html )
1135834;1431912556;justJanne;BingoBoingo: It should be easy to find.
1135835;1431912609;danielpbarron;!s fivezerotwo
1135836;1431912609;assbot;204 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fivezerotwo
1135837;1431912651;danielpbarron;justJanne, ^ for you
1135838;1431912816;danielpbarron;!s from:fuddos
1135839;1431912816;assbot;7 results for 'from:fuddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Afuddos
1135840;1431912923;justJanne;Sometimes when I get DDoSd I run nmap against the attacking servers, one time I found a small IRC server with only one channel, in which were 256 clients all with just a number as name, and one other client sending specific commands every few minutes
1135841;1431912926;justJanne;kinda interesting.
1135842;1431912962;danielpbarron;justJanne, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-12-2014#948443
1135843;1431912962;assbot;Logged on 08-12-2014 17:59:30; asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection)
1135844;1431913093;danielpbarron;and this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2015#966322
1135845;1431913093;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2015 01:32:50; asciilifeform: svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla
1135846;1431913098;trinque;http://hnrankings.info/9560839,9561606,9561693,9561599,9561920,9560426,9560904,9560790,9561920/
1135847;1431913158;trinque;check out that precipitous drop
1135848;1431913158;trinque;and the abrupt rise of the rebuttal
1135849;1431913229;trinque;it'll be interesting to see how much longer that stays at #1
1135850;1431913416;williamdunne;justJanne: Thats an IRC botnet
1135851;1431913435;williamdunne;Pretty oldschool method
1135852;1431913438;justJanne;assumed as much, but I have no experience with them yet, and was surprised seeing one in the wild
1135853;1431913439;*;adlai wonders whether any of the strongset edges point to the diddle
1135854;1431913476;williamdunne;Guessing for some reason they thought it would be a swell idea to use the IRC server for additional DDoS power?
1135855;1431913604;williamdunne;!up justjanne
1135856;1431913616;justJanne;but yeah, I was kinda surprised, would have assumed they’d put the control for the botnet on a different system
1135857;1431913631;justJanne;at least so that one doesn’t discover their botnet that easily
1135858;1431913714;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/ragtrade/
1135859;1431913782;justJanne;anyway, let’s wait for that DDoS-bot ;P
1135860;1431914008;danielpbarron;justJanne, while you're waiting, read this: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1135861;1431914406;justJanne;danielpbarron: looking into it, but just found out my last GPG key’s validity ends this month
1135862;1431914720;decimation;justJanne: no problem, make a new subkey or extend the date
1135863;1431914744;decimation;justJanne: Someone compiled a list of ips that originate dos'er
1135864;1431914754;justJanne;Meh, too lazy to copy it from my other PC, I’ll just make a new one and sign it with my old key later
1135865;1431915115;decimation;you can see the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com
1135866;1431915410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31396 @ 0.00028687 = 9.0066 BTC [+] {4} 
1135867;1431916142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00028281 = 13.886 BTC [-] {2} 
1135868;1431916158;mircea_popescu;lol janne 18yo female ? srsly ?
1135869;1431916285;mircea_popescu;!up justJanne
1135870;1431916293;justJanne;Yes, why?
1135871;1431916306;mircea_popescu;these guys keep saying it's forbidden on irc.
1135872;1431916327;justJanne;oh, btw, need to update that.
1135873;1431916342;williamdunne;Hmm wonder whos younger out of me and Janne
1135874;1431916354;justJanne;sorry, forgot to update it -.-
1135875;1431916355;justJanne;am 19
1135876;1431916367;mircea_popescu;that totally kills the whole thing. i bet you're not even from cali.
1135877;1431916377;justJanne;nah, northern Germany
1135878;1431916406;mircea_popescu;scam.
1135879;1431916410;justJanne;just another compsci student
1135880;1431916418;mircea_popescu;anyway, get in the wot, then you can voice.
1135881;1431916450;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114229 << lol check it out, ~they~ are going to ~lend me~ credence. i've been visited by backwards world wtf is with today.
1135882;1431916510;justJanne;I am registered with assbot, but no one levelled me up yet ;P
1135883;1431916510;cazalla;14/f/cali oldest fbi trick in the book
1135884;1431916510;williamdunne;You need a lord to do that
1135885;1431916510;mircea_popescu;!rate justJanne 1 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs.
1135886;1431916510;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3ce24e592e5d8bcf
1135887;1431916510;justJanne;Nooo
1135888;1431916528;justJanne;If you want, you can mail me on my student mail, I’m real stu120691@informatik.uni-kiel.de >_>
1135889;1431916530;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.justJanne.1:44086df839c6a505edd1681e3dff4c96ffd5990b1c9abddd93c99f55a195008c
1135890;1431916530;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for justJanne with note: 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs.
1135891;1431916550;mircea_popescu;justJanne well on the plus side now you can voice.
1135892;1431916608;williamdunne;justJanne: I'm pretty sure a 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker would have the connections to get one of those there fancy emails
1135893;1431916621;decimation;koennen Sie ein bisschen Deutsch schreiben?
1135894;1431916625;justJanne;ja, wieso?
1135895;1431916686;adlai;!t m s.mpoe
1135896;1431916686;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026733 / 0.00027828 / 0.00028748 (2307220 shares, 642.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00023904 / 0.00026467 / 0.00029014 (38353417 shares, 10,151.15 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026548 / 0.00033918 (109094749 shares, 28,962.95 BTC)
1135897;1431916687;decimation;bitte schreiben Sie eine Kurzbiographie?
1135898;1431916722;adlai;is the middle number vwap?
1135899;1431916726;williamdunne;ich habe eine gross hose schlange is about all I remember from three years of German lessons
1135900;1431916766;williamdunne;And ich bin zwolf jahre alt
1135901;1431916772;williamdunne;But I couldn't update that to my current age
1135902;1431916803;justJanne;Die wird aber ganz kurz ausfallen müssen ;P Ist auch nicht viel zu sagen – Geboren in then 90ern, ganz normal Grundschule, bin mit 8 ins Hochbegabtenförderungsprogramm gekommen, hab neben der Schule interessantes Zeug gelernt, dann Gymnasium, hab mit 16 neben der Schule angefangen zu studieren, und hab mit 18 Abitur mit 2,2 gemacht. Bin seit letztem Herbst Vollstudentin ;)
1135903;1431916842;decimation;^ sufficiently idomatic to pass the google translate test
1135904;1431916859;justJanne;you could have just looked at my hostname ;P
1135905;1431916890;decimation;justJanne: given your interest in this gpg episode, there is something that you could assist with
1135906;1431916906;decimation;can you identify the supposed "german email program" that was supposedly the source of these weak keys?
1135907;1431916952;mircea_popescu;decimation wait, we're progressed past the "it occured while copying" to obscure email programs naoi ?
1135908;1431916977;mircea_popescu;jeez how the world changes in a coupla hours based on what's said in b-a log, you'd think we're talking to gavin-the-handpuppet & co.
1135909;1431916978;decimation;heh yeah lemme find a link
1135910;1431916995;justJanne;Yeah, I probably can.
1135911;1431916998;mircea_popescu;not that we aren't, just, lulz factor.
1135912;1431917051;decimation;it's in the comments of that article that replaced yours on hacker news https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-About-the-supposed-factoring-of-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html
1135913;1431917111;decimation;"I don't really know, but I talked to Nadia Heninger about it and she mentioned that they were probably created by some email software only used in Germany. "
1135914;1431917111;decimation;Note that your headline was dinged for being inaccurate, while this guy's blog is more inaccurate by his own admission
1135915;1431917111;justJanne;That's very helpful. NOT ;P
1135916;1431917111;mircea_popescu;herpitty derp.
1135917;1431917136;mircea_popescu;anyway, to quote myself, "I will write up an article addressing this particular set of bullshit tomorrow. I promise it will be good. Engage bated breath."
1135918;1431917173;justJanne;Hmm.
1135919;1431917266;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135600 << heh the blessed 90%. "nothing may ever get done!!1"
1135920;1431917266;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 22:51:31; DreadKnight: the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD
1135921;1431917362;decimation;https://mvideos.stanford.edu/graduate#/SeminarDetail/Spring/2015/EE/380/9469 < this Nadia Heniger chick claims that rsa keys can be poorly generated by bad rngs (around 50:00 or so)
1135922;1431917422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135604 << confirmed romanian. "te-neci ca tiganu' la mal." implying normal people drown in blue water, but gypsies can't even do this right, they drown after almost getting to shore.
1135923;1431917422;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 22:57:59; DreadKnight: we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps
1135924;1431917422;justJanne;decimation: that's true. RSA keygens use a probabilistic prime test.
1135925;1431917429;justJanne;With a very bad RNG, it would tell you 2 is prime.
1135926;1431917443;justJanne;Sorry.
1135927;1431917447;justJanne;Meant 20
1135928;1431917455;decimation;lol she claims that (52:41) that openssl just adds the current time of day in seconds to the entropy pool
1135929;1431917462;justJanne;It does.
1135930;1431917464;mircea_popescu;this is (or at least was) true
1135931;1431917470;adlai;mircea_popescu: fyi/raffs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562548
1135932;1431917530;justJanne;Read the report on OpenSEL by the OpenBSD guys. It's a whole new level of WTF
1135933;1431917530;mircea_popescu;"[1] He's been scraping the profiles of young women (specifically) and posting links, names, and hometowns on his blog. Yes, as technologists, we know that this kind of indexing is trivial. That's no reason, as a decent human being, to terrorize innocent people."
1135934;1431917530;mircea_popescu;herp.
1135935;1431917530;mircea_popescu;who the fuck asked anon what is and isn't reason nao ?
1135936;1431917533;mircea_popescu;backwards world srsly.
1135937;1431917544;mircea_popescu;justJanne it was in chan.
1135938;1431917576;*;adlai considered writing some words about how security theater damages actual security, but stuck to lazy bean counting
1135939;1431917606;justJanne;Actual security is sadly a thing that doesn't exist in critical places.
1135940;1431917624;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135608 << everywhere someone hopes to get something for nothing and figures govt's the answer to that quandry there's an enemy of b-a. amusingly, this boils down to really very few people and traceably so.
1135941;1431917624;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 23:00:52; decimation: there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a
1135942;1431917636;adlai;(a reporter writing about 'accidentally' carrying a multiple-inch blade onto an airplane damages airplane security far, far less than the security practices that let it through)
1135943;1431917661;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135619 << it's unclear to me how you figure gmail makes money.
1135944;1431917661;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 23:04:20; DreadKnight: gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft
1135945;1431917691;justJanne;Gmail isn't free.
1135946;1431917694;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: scraping your emails to better sell your advertisements
1135947;1431917703;adlai;gmail sells adspace to its parent company. the number of people who know its actual revenue is probably quite low.
1135948;1431917708;williamdunne;Increasing the number of people who know the platform so that enterprise customers will purchase it
1135949;1431917711;justJanne;Gmail has two options: sell your data or pay.
1135950;1431917721;justJanne;Yeah.
1135951;1431917722;williamdunne;I think with pay they still have your data
1135952;1431917727;justJanne;Nope.
1135953;1431917732;decimation;gotta pay if you want 'google apps'  too
1135954;1431917743;justJanne;As a large company you can get Google Apps as a box.
1135955;1431917744;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135624 << that never happens, but sure.
1135956;1431917744;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 23:07:10; trinque: DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs
1135957;1431917761;justJanne;A local server you can put in your own data center. It can operate even separate from the web.
1135958;1431917766;decimation;justJanne: did you see any ntp reflection traffic?
1135959;1431917768;midnightmagic;adlai: http://carnal0wnage.attackresearch.com/2015/05/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html
1135960;1431917828;justJanne;decimation: I'm on phone right now, but as the latency didn't go up, doesn't seem so. Or at least nothing noticeable.
1135961;1431917850;*;adlai notices that assbot doesn't insert titles anymore... midnightmagic linked "Lets Call Stunt Hacking What it is, Media Whoring", an apt topic for today
1135962;1431917886;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic not bad, but it lost me at the "well credentialed" etc bs.
1135963;1431917898;mircea_popescu;adlai i suspec assbot is a little tired.
1135964;1431917906;*;adlai taps it, gently
1135965;1431917907;justJanne;Tbh, security of embedded systems could be better.
1135966;1431917936;justJanne;In general embedded systems could be better.
1135967;1431917945;mircea_popescu;decimation honestly, i suspect the guy complaining on trilema was either trying to stir up shit or else working on meanwhile inacurate history. seems the ddos guy is gone.
1135968;1431917946;adlai;was this some fix-in-anger to the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115842 conundrum?
1135969;1431917946;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 14:33:49; davout: mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe make scoopbot_revived not mention the title and let assbot handle it?
1135970;1431917947;*;justJanne thinks back to the Toyota issue
1135971;1431917984;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah, in fact I suspect "the lady doth protest too much"
1135972;1431917986;mircea_popescu;adlai iirc that measure didn't pass.
1135973;1431918009;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135631 << lol win.
1135974;1431918009;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 23:11:27; williamdunne: >Forget MPEX. The best/most reliable stock exchange is, by far, BTCT.CO.
1135975;1431918016;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: The old Aurora attacks are an excellent example of the perversion of the idea of 'well-credentialed'. The people they had making comments about the SCM systems involved in that attack and the shoddy investigations going on were.. extreme.
1135976;1431918075;mircea_popescu;yeah. if i don't happen to know someone willing to vouch, you can have credentials coming out of your ears, i just see "idiot" in thick font. which is basically wot-ness.
1135977;1431918085;midnightmagic;I personally watched the responses internal to some of the companies involved and observed the evolution of the document they presented to the public. The people on whose opinions some of those documents were based were bullshit artists, borderline pathological, of the worst order.
1135978;1431918124;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: Everything it seems, comes down to human trust evaluation.
1135979;1431918138;midnightmagic;most of the time.
1135980;1431918139;justJanne;Embedded systems are still often built by programmers, not by engineers.
1135981;1431918141;mircea_popescu;worst part being that it's usually "corporate [in]culture" that takes marginal yet ambitious intellects and molds them to this shit.
1135982;1431918144;decimation;!up btcg
1135983;1431918144;mircea_popescu;!up btcg
1135984;1431918170;btcg;thanks
1135985;1431918183;decimation;btcg: what brings you here?
1135986;1431918184;mircea_popescu;aha. who're you ?
1135987;1431918204;btcg;to talk about interesting topics :)
1135988;1431918222;btcg;do i need to auth with assbot for voice perm?
1135989;1431918248;mircea_popescu;and get rated, yes.
1135990;1431918262;decimation;btcg http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1135991;1431918322;decimation;was assbot's link title functionality kaput?
1135992;1431918322;btcg;i didn't see anything
1135993;1431918322;williamdunne;wut?
1135994;1431918337;mircea_popescu;three minute half hour ?
1135995;1431918340;mircea_popescu;!up btcg
1135996;1431918347;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hey, is something the matter with assbot ?
1135997;1431918368;BingoBoingo;prolly just needs to fart
1135998;1431918449;williamdunne;btcg did you dieded?
1135999;1431918546;btcg;no i am here
1136000;1431918598;williamdunne;To get perma voice you need to be in assbots L2 - so you need a rating from a lord
1136001;1431918623;williamdunne;So someone on the send section here: http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
1136002;1431918683;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: Mediocrity is a natural result of psychopathic and sociopathic inroads. The moment upper management ceases to directly observe their employees, the result is the most convincing-sounding people's voices become the most relied-on. Convincing-sounding is not the same as accurate/informed.
1136003;1431918874;decimation;midnightmagic: convincing-sounding is pretty much the going standard in the english speaking world
1136004;1431918904;midnightmagic;-- which directly resulted in the erroneous and I would say, outright lying in the Aurora analyses. None of the conjecture that the public could see (because that's what the fuck it was) needed to ever be tested or 'pay rent' in terms of accuracy.
1136005;1431918982;btcg;!register F4DE 6DF4 EB8B A2DA AD8D  14A5 B004 5BC9 02AC 1559
1136006;1431918982;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1136007;1431919000;williamdunne;no spaces
1136008;1431919015;btcg;!register F4DE6DF4EB8BA2DAAD8D14A5B0045BC902AC1559
1136009;1431919015;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: F4DE6DF4EB8BA2DAAD8D14A5B0045BC902AC1559. This may take a few moments.
1136010;1431919015;assbot;Key 02AC1559 / "boxsk <boxsk@tutanota.io>" successfully imported.
1136011;1431919015;assbot;Registration successful.
1136012;1431919083;btcg;now i need a vote?
1136013;1431919146;decimation;is tutanota.io even valid?
1136014;1431919169;btcg;oh should be .com
1136015;1431919196;btcg;sorry, can i reset my key
1136016;1431919249;danielpbarron;>> My aim is to fight mass surveillance. I write code to fight for our human right to privacy. I want to create a cloud service which is so easy to use and so secure that it locks out all the spies. We really deserve it.  << lol
1136017;1431919298;decimation;btcg: sure, just make a new one
1136018;1431919394;danielpbarron;!up joshbuddy
1136019;1431919398;justJanne;danielpbarron: that sounds like Kim Schmitz
1136020;1431919418;justJanne;Sorry, he's known outside of DE as Kim DotCom
1136021;1431919451;joshbuddy;danielpbarron: where was that quote from?
1136022;1431919455;joshbuddy;also, thanks for voice
1136023;1431919456;danielpbarron;it's Matthias https://archive.is/8ovft#selection-839.1-839.218
1136024;1431919517;decimation;btcg: do you use this tutanota app?
1136025;1431919552;btcg;!register CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
1136026;1431919552;assbot;Nick btcg is already taken.
1136027;1431919563;btcg;i use their webmail mostly
1136028;1431919568;danielpbarron;!h
1136029;1431919568;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1136030;1431919572;decimation;btcg: heh sucks I'm not sure if you can unregister
1136031;1431919594;danielpbarron;!changekey
1136032;1431919594;assbot;You need to specify your new key fingerprint.
1136033;1431919621;decimation;yeah auth with assbot and use that ^
1136034;1431919624;btcg;!changekey CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
1136035;1431919624;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/90180887373ba656
1136036;1431919675;btcg;tuta is nice at least encrypts all email
1136037;1431919719;danielpbarron;i can do that with gmail + gnupg
1136038;1431919761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39419 @ 0.00028808 = 11.3558 BTC [+] {2} 
1136039;1431919764;decimation;yeah how is something 'encrypted' on a website that isn't under your control?
1136040;1431919853;justJanne;I can do that with Thunderbird, K9 and GnuPG.
1136041;1431919926;BingoBoingo;K9? You trust private keys on mobile devices?
1136042;1431919943;danielpbarron;the point being, your email client shouldn't have anything to do with your encryption
1136043;1431919953;decimation;or mail storage
1136044;1431920012;justJanne;BingoBoingo: Yes — remember, I use no Google services, and modified half of the apps on my phone myself.
1136045;1431920206;decimation;justJanne: yeah but have you examined your phone's firmware?
1136046;1431920238;BingoBoingo;And hardware
1136047;1431920239;williamdunne;!up btcg
1136048;1431920257;btcg;thanks william
1136049;1431920288;mike_c;mircea_popescu: you should be able to drop this link in as the source of the iframe:  http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_frame.html?height=90&ref=1GiSXgAhjqYvAB17JjXX8YCqNCizCjLJgp
1136050;1431920348;williamdunne;v.welcome
1136051;1431920348;williamdunne;!gettrust assbot btcg
1136052;1431920348;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user btcg: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=btcg | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/btcg/
1136053;1431920356;williamdunne;!gettrust assbot williamdunne
1136054;1431920357;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=williamdunne | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
1136055;1431920371;justJanne;decimation: BingoBoingo: compiled from source myself every month.
1136056;1431920390;justJanne;And monitoring all networked IO.
1136057;1431920391;mike_c;;;later tell mircea_popescu: ad ready, see log 5 lines up
1136058;1431920391;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1136059;1431920393;mats;how about your baseband fw?
1136060;1431920399;BingoBoingo;^
1136061;1431920422;williamdunne;mats: How about you hard disk controller?
1136062;1431920458;mats;i can dump it, can you?
1136063;1431920464;justJanne;The ISP I'm using was started by a few people from the CCC, so from that side not too high of a risk.
1136064;1431920496;justJanne;And I'd like to dump the firmware, but that would violate copyright.
1136065;1431920560;mats;fwiw i use a smartphone too, the point being rammed here is that you don't really have an expectation of security.
1136066;1431920569;mats;layer accordingly.
1136067;1431920598;williamdunne;;;seen samouraiwallet
1136068;1431920598;gribble;samouraiwallet was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <SamouraiWallet> cool system. tying in wot with irc +v
1136069;1431920826;danielpbarron;btcg, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136035 << you need to decrypt this with your first key, and send the result back as !v [decrypted string]
1136070;1431920826;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 03:27:04; assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/90180887373ba656
1136071;1431920873;danielpbarron;there is no "auth with assbot" and all actions come with a OTP
1136072;1431920902;btcg;ah ok, well 404
1136073;1431920915;williamdunne;btcg: Easiest way is wget -O - URL | gpg -d
1136074;1431920916;danielpbarron;expired. try again
1136075;1431920935;williamdunne;Automate using this
1136076;1431920936;williamdunne;http://bitstein.org/blog/bash-function-for-assbot-authentication/
1136077;1431920996;danielpbarron;williamdunne, that means you're decrypting on the same machine that has internet?
1136078;1431920996;williamdunne;Yes, I'm a peasant that does that
1136079;1431920996;mircea_popescu;mike_c win
1136080;1431920996;btcg;!changekey CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
1136081;1431920996;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5844d86bdf7b9395
1136082;1431920996;williamdunne;I'll eventually create another key offline which I'll use as a master or summin
1136083;1431920996;williamdunne;In case of breach
1136084;1431920998;williamdunne;Stick authentication of it in deedbot or summin
1136085;1431921021;mircea_popescu;mike_c will be going up shortly, guy's online and all.
1136086;1431921026;cazalla;lol those comments always remind me of this scene https://youtu.be/n16uBK71miQ?t=1m
1136087;1431921086;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic i have my doubts about how all that *pathic stuff works. kinda weaponized terminology, like "heretic"/"disbeliever" in middle ages.
1136088;1431921086;cazalla;what sorta person are you mircea_popescu terrorizing those poor sods on fetlife
1136089;1431921146;btcg;!v assbot:btcg.changekey.cda330208f2249841291524c65a7427639bae3ab:6448f8043a7a44284ff9e38a2c9c7c34ffb455f01d9c8618ec07770e996d43a9
1136090;1431921146;assbot;Key 39BAE3AB / "boxsk <boxsk@tutanota.com>" successfully imported.
1136091;1431921146;assbot;New key fingerprint for btcg is: CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
1136092;1431921168;mircea_popescu;cazalla the masochist and the terrorist. should be a book.
1136093;1431921227;BingoBoingo;!up dandelany
1136094;1431921250;mircea_popescu;<justJanne> BingoBoingo: Yes � remember, I use no Google services, and modified half of the apps on my phone myself. << o.O what are you, like a hacker ???
1136095;1431921269;justJanne;A CompSci student.
1136096;1431921296;mircea_popescu;you gotta appreciate, a compsci student in the us is a guy that's too autistic to deal drugs.
1136097;1431921305;mircea_popescu;otherwise about as literate.
1136098;1431921315;mircea_popescu;!up btcg
1136099;1431921317;justJanne;Nah, they'd fail Math101 here.
1136100;1431921332;mircea_popescu;iirc math101 is no longer with numbers
1136101;1431921332;justJanne;Without that you can't progress in CompSci.
1136102;1431921334;mircea_popescu;they were racist.
1136103;1431921347;justJanne;And math101 is helpful here, about 90% fail that class.
1136104;1431921369;justJanne;Helps keep the study free from scriptkiddies.
1136105;1431921375;btcg;ty mircea_popescu
1136106;1431921485;justJanne;And, tbh, math101 at university isn't supposed to work with numbers. Math 101 is set theory, logic, lists, trees, functions, relations, sur/in/bijectivity, upper and lower bounds, complexity, etc.
1136107;1431921503;mircea_popescu;i think alf might fall in love.
1136108;1431921523;BingoBoingo;justJanne: At my school those topics were all in 300 series classes.
1136109;1431921537;mircea_popescu;yeah, but you went to a good school.
1136110;1431921558;BingoBoingo;lol
1136111;1431921564;justJanne;Right now I'm taking second semester classes, last week homework was doing RSA on paper.
1136112;1431921572;justJanne;In math
1136113;1431921580;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts if you could get a decent definition of the notion of number from one in ten us graduates.
1136114;1431921623;justJanne;Using only 16-bit Keys, cause everything else would be overkill.
1136115;1431921647;BingoBoingo;In the calculus series classes test questions were taken from the homework, which was conducive to drinking whiskey before tests.
1136116;1431921657;justJanne;For RSA you obviously need groups, spaces, bodies, rings, etc.
1136117;1431921667;mircea_popescu;or rote.
1136118;1431921708;justJanne;Bbl.
1136119;1431922099;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135682 << because the last mile MUST be decentralized
1136120;1431922099;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 23:34:39; williamdunne: Read the article, and I still don't see how that makes it bad for the last mile
1136121;1431922104;mircea_popescu;that's the entire fucking point.
1136122;1431922127;mircea_popescu;having a central (marketplace = central) for it is about as stupid as fire extinguishers loaded with gasoline.
1136123;1431922236;BingoBoingo;On standby for errors http://qntra.net/2015/05/weak-4096-bit-rsa-key-in-strong-set-factored-more-factored-keys-follow/
1136124;1431922296;mircea_popescu;it all stems from a very funamental confusion as to what things are andwhat technology can do. the idea being that technology = magic, and so it can change the nature of things. take marketplaces, which are by nature centralizing, and magic them into being decentralising. meanwhile irl, technology works to increase quantitatively, not to alter qualitatively.
1136125;1431922305;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135686 << first=best only if(only)
1136126;1431922305;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 23:39:53; pete_dushenski: williamdunne i really have nfi what the first trade was. if you say it's weed, we'll go with that, but that doesn't mean that first=best
1136127;1431922357;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135696 << maybe they could make them also fly, i'd donate.
1136128;1431922357;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 23:41:43; williamdunne: Disagree with the cause, but pretty cool project IMIO
1136129;1431922585;BingoBoingo;!up btcg
1136130;1431923146;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135741 << check it out, jdif > 9000!
1136131;1431923146;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 00:14:21; ben_vulpes: trying out a new fried chicken joint
1136132;1431923235;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135769 << what, pray tell, is a ticky tacky.
1136133;1431923235;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 00:38:24; pete_dushenski: "solidarity forever", "ticky tacky houses", etc.
1136134;1431923250;mircea_popescu;something to do with bare adolescentine breasts, one would hope, for the sake of everyone's sanity ?
1136135;1431923274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00028902 = 6.5752 BTC [+] {2} 
1136136;1431923397;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM <- ticky tacky
1136137;1431923458;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135802 << is that FURRY road ?
1136138;1431923458;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 00:58:08; mats: http://www.metacritic.com/movie/mad-max-fury-road << surprised metacritic treats it so well
1136139;1431923557;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i'm not closer to comprehension
1136140;1431923588;mircea_popescu;but she's REALLY bad. i mean sweet singer of michigan level bad.
1136141;1431923648;danielpbarron;I think it's like this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129306
1136142;1431923648;assbot;Logged on 12-05-2015 22:05:41; mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?
1136143;1431923658;mircea_popescu;ah ic.
1136144;1431923784;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135840 << learned to maff in kindergarten, check (c3 folks know what this is about lolk) ; reverse-hacked leet online haxxors, exposed irc chatroom, check. alfie baby...
1136145;1431923784;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 01:35:23; justJanne: Sometimes when I get DDoSd I run nmap against the attacking servers, one time I found a small IRC server with only one channel, in which were 256 clients all with just a number as name, and one other client sending specific commands every few minutes
1136146;1431923904;asciilifeform;l0lwut
1136147;1431923940;asciilifeform;256 clients all with just a number as name... << SOP. one (at least formerly common) botkit which did this was 'athena.' many others likewise.
1136148;1431923997;asciilifeform;barbaric but reasonably resilient (herder would hardcode several boxes to act as irc servers, several controlled by himself normally and a few reasonably lax public irctrons)
1136149;1431924065;asciilifeform;an example of this animal: http://www.trojanbotnet.com/2014/04/botnet-irc-silly-bot-16-c-irc-bot-new.html
1136150;1431924125;asciilifeform;(just google 'slowloris' - for some reason ddos command was always given this name)
1136151;1431924451;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562170 << mildly interesting
1136152;1431924511;asciilifeform;'During that time, attackers were able to monitor the activities of anyone using the kernel.org servers known as Hera and Odin1, as well as personal computers belonging to senior Linux developer H. Peter Anvin. The self-injecting rootkit known as Phalanx had access to a wealth of sensitive data, possibly including private keys used to sign and decrypt e-mails and remotely log in to servers. A follow-up advisory a few weeks lat
1136153;1431924511;asciilifeform;er opened the possibility that still other developers may have fallen prey to the attackers.'
1136154;1431925085;BingoBoingo;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562918
1136155;1431925145;*;asciilifeform caught up with log, links, overwhelmed by sheer retardation of the pg wank circus, maxxed out dosimeter
1136156;1431925425;BingoBoingo;Probably for the best
1136157;1431925840;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the animals in the photo at bottom of your latest article look like guinea pigs
1136158;1431926975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.0002857 = 11.0852 BTC [-] {3} 
1136159;1431927829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00027879 = 8.5449 BTC [-] {3} 
1136160;1431928750;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/18/big_rsa_keys_are_vulnerable_says_researcher << more lulz
1136161;1431928810;asciilifeform;the mis-spellings are a deliberate trollage, or what.
1136162;1431928810;asciilifeform;'phunctor' ?!
1136163;1431928836;BingoBoingo;lolocoaster
1136164;1431928868;asciilifeform;anyone with an account (yes, they require one even for 'anonymous' comments) is welcome to post one.
1136165;1431929097;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Bp6Wh << cached
1136166;1431929157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice that idiots are doing their pressing. "If I wanted to poison HPA with a fake key, why would I create a degenerate one? A fake key with strong factors would have gone unnoticed, at least by this analysis"
1136167;1431929157;mircea_popescu;right, because poisoning hpa was the idea, not poisoning others.
1136168;1431929157;mircea_popescu;team meade scores another hit on their imaginary, wildly irrelevant scoreboard. for which they get paid. with tax dollars. by idiots.
1136169;1431929184;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not deliberate trolalge, deliberate damage control. can't google misspelled terms
1136170;1431929203;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1136171;1431929212;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504 << updated
1136172;1431929272;mircea_popescu;again. team meade scores another hit on their imaginary, wildly irrelevant scoreboard.
1136173;1431929272;mats;this is badly written
1136174;1431929272;mats;as though no editor was involved at all
1136175;1431929272;asciilifeform;mats: haste - makes waste
1136176;1431929272;asciilifeform;or how'd it go
1136177;1431929272;mircea_popescu;�Holy shit, they broke RSA!� or �This is false advertising, they didn�t really do anything!� imbeciles, << no but it's THE CONTROVERSY
1136178;1431929272;mircea_popescu;aaaaand fort meade scoressssss again!111 on their ...
1136179;1431929348;mats;'phunctor', thins instead of things, using 'Loper-OS' and 'Loper-os', shitloads of passive tense sentences...
1136180;1431929368;asciilifeform;they must employ the residents of a home for the profoundly retarded
1136181;1431929372;asciilifeform;is the inescapable conclusion.
1136182;1431929377;mats;er, passive voice.
1136183;1431929567;asciilifeform;for anyone still awake, i'm presently wondering re: how the rotten keys behave in autoverifier scripts (debian ? etc)
1136184;1431929592;asciilifeform;worth considering - where are they likely to come into play (as fetched from sks)
1136185;1431929601;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone has a ready link to the discussion of the reddit deleting the blockchain thing because they had so much fucking consensus it ended up imploding under their feet ?
1136186;1431929614;mircea_popescu;worth a test.
1136187;1431929866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a screenshot image, linked in a trilema article
1136188;1431929875;asciilifeform;can't recall presently, where.
1136189;1431929916;mircea_popescu;ah was trilema huh. brb
1136190;1431929945;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/36c3ac/weak_4096_bit_rsa_key_in_strong_set_factored_more/
1136191;1431930015;mircea_popescu;and in the daily 8cha lulz, https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#198
1136192;1431930117;asciilifeform;what even.
1136193;1431930130;mircea_popescu;i dunno but it seems serious.
1136194;1431930137;mircea_popescu;halp halp i've been lyfthreatenet across hte internets
1136195;1431930165;mircea_popescu;this constitutes harassment in zoe quinn degree. i now must have my own oprah show.
1136196;1431930990;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/05/eg-gs.pdf << unrelated l0ltr0n
1136197;1431931084;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/167XKEJ#wrap << text
1136198;1431931144;mircea_popescu;!up joshbuddy
1136199;1431931647;mircea_popescu;in other news, the next batch of usg dept of internet outsourcers, to replace the current batch of third worlders : http://i.imgur.com/9EG2jYA.gifv
1136200;1431931890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62159 @ 0.00027873 = 17.3256 BTC [-] {2} 
1136201;1431933293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48250 @ 0.00027944 = 13.483 BTC [+]
1136202;1431933537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14474 @ 0.00028126 = 4.071 BTC [+] {2} 
1136203;1431933598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00028787 = 6.1028 BTC [+]
1136204;1431934757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00027723 = 9.7585 BTC [-] {2} 
1136205;1431935245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00029087 = 13.9908 BTC [+]
1136206;1431935445;mircea_popescu;!up zlrth
1136207;1431936215;BingoBoingo;!up referredbyloper
1136208;1431936580;mircea_popescu;!up LC^
1136209;1431936649;mircea_popescu;LC^ go ahead ?
1136210;1431936688;LC^;mircea_popescu: Hi. Can we chat privately?
1136211;1431936707;mircea_popescu;i don't know you, so no.
1136212;1431936789;LC^;I'm a journalist. I shared my identity via privmsg.
1136213;1431936816;mircea_popescu;that's fine, but it doesn't help.
1136214;1431936835;mircea_popescu;the right move would be to get in the wot, cultivate your presence here afterr which next time you may have an angle.
1136215;1431936838;mircea_popescu;at the moment, you do not.
1136216;1431937061;LC^;I want to write an article about your Phuctor-related findings.
1136217;1431937065;mircea_popescu;cool.
1136218;1431937095;BingoBoingo;LC^: You may also want to hang around for when Stan wakes up
1136219;1431937118;LC^;so wanted to get your opinion on the issues that have been raised, mainly that the first key was not signed by the owner so was likely added by someone else, with or without malicious intent.
1136220;1431937146;LC^;and whether the other keys that have been factored are similar
1136221;1431937160;LC^;or are there indications that they've been generated by a broken generator
1136222;1431937197;LC^;I guess that is the main problem you're trying to highlight, correct? that some generators might be broken and generate weak keys
1136223;1431937235;mircea_popescu;there is at least one key with a p over nine digits.
1136224;1431937264;mircea_popescu;there are all sorts of classes of broken keys, which we're obviously still sorting through.
1136225;1431937296;mircea_popescu;that aside, the question of how exactly weak keys came to be, and what are they doing there and so on and so forth is not nearly as uninteresting as the usg agency would like to make it.
1136226;1431937390;LC^;are you suggesting that some software was intentionally sabotaged to produce weak keys?
1136227;1431937424;mircea_popescu;i am plainly saying that while the weak keys incontrovertibly exist, it's unclear why they exist. someone put the effort into making them, which is not exactly trivial.
1136228;1431937559;LC^;OK, but can they actually be used?  some argued that the weak key supposedly belonging to hpa can't be used to decrypt emails or other data encrypting by him because it was not signed by his real key
1136229;1431937633;LC^;can it be used for impersonation?
1136230;1431937633;mircea_popescu;this is factually correct. it is also not the whole story.
1136231;1431937648;LC^;OK, what is the whole story?
1136232;1431937665;mircea_popescu;one of the more interesting constructions as to the possible intended uses is, a tandem arrangement. it would work like so :
1136233;1431937671;LC^;I'm just trying to understand what the risk is here and why would someone create such keys, intentionally
1136234;1431937678;mircea_popescu;suppose someone needs to talk to hpa - either to verify his signature or to send him encrypted communications.
1136235;1431937687;LC^;ok..
1136236;1431937697;mircea_popescu;with a correctly working pgp implementation, the user connects ot a sks server, discards the wrong key and proceeds as expected.
1136237;1431937729;mircea_popescu;if however his pgp implementation is compromised in a specific way, the wrong key on the server may very well be the magic packet, causing it to behave in an unexpected - and not otherwise detectable - manner.
1136238;1431937747;mircea_popescu;such as, encrypt to it, or email the NSA, or whatever else.
1136239;1431937768;mircea_popescu;this sort of thing (the so called "fail to pass" testing) is the exact sort of stuff we've seen from the nsa to date, and so it would mesh with that experience.
1136240;1431937776;LC^;I see, so the key would serve as an exploit of sorts or a trigger
1136241;1431937783;mircea_popescu;but it is a theory - until someone produces such a diddled implementation it stays a theory.
1136242;1431937791;mircea_popescu;LC^ essentially.
1136243;1431937812;mircea_popescu;in any case, the idea that hpa is the target of that attack - if indeed it is an attack - are at best naive and at worst disinfo.
1136244;1431937822;mircea_popescu;clearly people looking at/for him would be the target, if anything.
1136245;1431937861;mircea_popescu;this, of course, is not the only mechanism that would allow such a key to exist. nevertheless, alternative explanations border on the risible.
1136246;1431937875;LC^;particularly people looking to send him highly confidential info that would need to be encrypted
1136247;1431937910;mircea_popescu;especially amusingm, the "key was damaged in transit" one. people p2p HD movies all day, nobody's seen this. gpg data moves around as archives - try flipping a byte in an archive see if you can stil lget the content. etc.
1136248;1431937917;mircea_popescu;LC^ yes.
1136249;1431937999;mircea_popescu;understand, opsec is extremely weak all over. including among supposedly experienced hackers. so, a simple scenario : guy with owned userland gpg sends secret info to hpa, it is magically encrypted to wrong key, email sniffed en route, secret is now known, but only to the people knowing what to look for. hpa responds with something like bad key, guy re-encrypts it and resends it.
1136250;1431938004;mircea_popescu;he never knows he's been compromised.
1136251;1431938021;mircea_popescu;nobody keeps track of "mysterious" errors etc.
1136252;1431938112;LC^;there are parts in some archive formats you can modify and the archive will still work, though year I understand your point, the suggested theory of damaged in transit would suggest random damaging not controlled modification
1136253;1431938146;mircea_popescu;how often have you moved a file across the tubes ? how often did it have a magically changed byte ?
1136254;1431938157;mircea_popescu;because i did lots of the former and the latter never occured.
1136255;1431938161;LC^;OK, what about the other keys? Are they similar to hpa's key? in the sense that they've been attached to other keys, but lack the proper signature?
1136256;1431938193;mircea_popescu;there are other people matching exactly hpa's profile (high value foss target) with keys apparently added in the same manner. not too many.
1136257;1431938197;mircea_popescu;there are also other types.
1136258;1431938314;LC^;how many keys have you found so far? do you plan to disclose the owners of the other keys that are similar to hpa's? it doesn't seem to be a big risk there for the owners
1136259;1431938377;*;adlai thinks a better question could be, "just quite how little human and computer labor did this experiment take?"
1136260;1431938388;mircea_popescu;there's been a total of three pairs, so six total keys to date. i have little doubt that as the program progresses through the list, more will be found. generally, the idea is to discuss this with the owners and them only.
1136261;1431938407;mircea_popescu;the case of hpa was exceptional because at the time the lightning struck (and understand just how unlikely the event we had on our hands this morning was), a call had to be made.
1136262;1431938424;mircea_popescu;in that particular circumstance, where an outside but present chance existed that the box was compromised itself.
1136263;1431938426;mircea_popescu;!up LC^
1136264;1431938489;mircea_popescu;we might consider publishing the "harmless" keys, but for one thing i am not altogether convinced they're so harmless, and for another, much more interesting would be a hunt for diddled php implementations.
1136265;1431938495;mircea_popescu;now THAT would be something if found.
1136266;1431938533;LC^;have you attempted to notify the owners yet and have you had any responses from them?
1136267;1431938537;mircea_popescu;adlai i would guess something between 50 and 100 BTC's worth of S.NSA engineer's time, and maybe a few months-box worth of hardware.
1136268;1431938543;mircea_popescu;LC^ yes and no.
1136269;1431938593;mircea_popescu;not terribly costly, considering what "VC" firms spend and what they get for it.
1136270;1431938643;LC^;so do you expect your findings to inspire such a hunt?
1136271;1431938673;mircea_popescu;it's already underway. but, the more the merrier. this is the sort of thing where one can make a difference.
1136272;1431938688;mircea_popescu;clicking on cat pics, and derping about what zoe whoever said about imaginary feminist issues is a waste of one's youth.
1136273;1431938699;mircea_popescu;this however... this is something where raising awareness actually does something.
1136274;1431938702;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1136275;1431938913;mircea_popescu;ehh, diddled php implementations << obviously i mean pgp not php.
1136276;1431938938;mircea_popescu;who the hell came up with the idea of putting these together even ;/
1136277;1431938974;mircea_popescu;lol
1136278;1431938976;mircea_popescu;!up wiz
1136279;1431939118;LC^;mircea_popescu: thx for answering my questions so far. I have to jump on a call, but if I decide to go ahead with an article on this and have additional questions I'll look for you around here.
1136280;1431939129;mircea_popescu;sure.
1136281;1431939659;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/South_Vietnam_Map.jpg << such a lulzy map.
1136282;1431939719;mircea_popescu;pro tip : the north won.
1136283;1431939893;mircea_popescu;!up msdkc
1136284;1431940444;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1136285;1431940661;mircea_popescu;mats http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Girl_volunteers_of_the_People's_Self-Defense_Force_of_Kien_Dien%2C_a_hamlet_of_Ben_Cat_district_50_kilometers_north_of_Sai_-_NARA_-_541865.tif/lossy-page1-250px-Girl_volunteers_of_the_People's_Self-Defense_Force_of_Kien_Dien%2C_a_hamlet_of_Ben_Cat_district_50_kilometers_north_of_Sai_-_NARA_-_541865.tif.jpg << check out that grip.
1136286;1431941514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24028 @ 0.00028967 = 6.9602 BTC [-]
1136287;1431941636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00028997 = 11.4538 BTC [+]
1136288;1431942003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00028967 = 10.8192 BTC [-]
1136289;1431942902;mircea_popescu;!up Mugge
1136290;1431942917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00028997 = 12.0773 BTC [+]
1136291;1431942974;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135996 < hm ?
1136292;1431942974;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 03:05:47; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, is something the matter with assbot ?
1136293;1431942997;mircea_popescu;was kinda slow/suffering for a while. seems ok now.
1136294;1431943042;mircea_popescu;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/
1136295;1431943102;kakobrekla;thats freenodes issue
1136296;1431943102;mircea_popescu;does it not do titles anymore ?
1136297;1431943102;kakobrekla;titels are depending on log1 iirc
1136298;1431943180;mircea_popescu;oh that still dead ?
1136299;1431943197;kakobrekla;apparently
1136300;1431943239;mircea_popescu;dja need me to reset pw or something there ?
1136301;1431943291;kakobrekla;dunno it was sorta almost working until you started to fiddle with varnish
1136302;1431943296;kakobrekla;since then nfi
1136303;1431943339;kakobrekla;brb
1136304;1431943411;mircea_popescu;sorry!
1136305;1431944383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00028997 = 8.9021 BTC [+]
1136306;1431945725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00028997 = 5.5674 BTC [+]
1136307;1431946091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00028997 = 5.1673 BTC [+]
1136308;1431946457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22788 @ 0.00028976 = 6.6031 BTC [-] {2} 
1136309;1431947117;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035777 << this is one for kakobrekla
1136310;1431947117;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 01:55:22; cazalla: so i made a bitbet under the influence and couldn't fund it until later, i assume 0 conf address listed for it in /propositions/ is the address of which i need to fund?
1136311;1431947159;cazalla;he answered it from memory but why necro that?
1136312;1431947185;kakobrekla;click on the 0conf amount
1136313;1431947207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035818 << meet the slavegirls sometime.
1136314;1431947207;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2015 02:20:09; trinque: flushing with fear on command is to my knowledge not possible
1136315;1431947235;mircea_popescu;cazalla shit i was doing  a very old log lol.
1136316;1431947249;mircea_popescu;sorry.
1136317;1431947572;mircea_popescu;http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/who-rooted-kernel-org-servers-two-years-ago-how-did-it-happen-and-why/
1136318;1431947633;mircea_popescu;"More than two years after unknown hackers gained unfettered access over multiple computers used to maintain and distribute the Linux operating system kernel, officials still haven't released a promised autopsy about what happened."
1136319;1431947633;mircea_popescu;case exactly mirrored by freenode : about a year after they lost at least one server to what appeared like quite the nsa, and promising a full investigation, nothing's been released.
1136320;1431948444;mircea_popescu;!up deface
1136321;1431948448;mircea_popescu;mike_c https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << it's live.
1136322;1431948986;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135914 << i dun recall who put it in, mebbe davout but at any rate from what i've seen they couldn't get consensus behind the "inaccurate title" theory, or w/e it's called there. so that didn't werk.
1136323;1431948986;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 02:45:11; decimation: Note that your headline was dinged for being inaccurate, while this guy's blog is more inaccurate by his own admission
1136324;1431950473;mircea_popescu;cazalla i find from 8chan that you suck. link related https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#212
1136325;1431950533;cazalla; bwahaha
1136326;1431950576;cazalla;what can i say other than he's right.. 9/10 aussies i met on 4chan love nothing more than shit posting
1136327;1431950634;mircea_popescu;?rate cazalla -2 australian which is bad
1136328;1431951080;cazalla;r u trying to shit post me back or wot m8
1136329;1431951103;mircea_popescu;lol
1136330;1431952424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7107 @ 0.00027649 = 1.965 BTC [-] {2} 
1136331;1431953522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00027934 = 9.5814 BTC [+]
1136332;1431953690;justJanne;Anyone read http://thiébaud.fr/robots.txt.html yet?
1136333;1431953750;justJanne;I’m downloading all those hidden state.gov documents right now
1136334;1431953817;mircea_popescu;ahaha good idea
1136335;1431953835;mircea_popescu;"look in robots.txt for directories that derps inadvertently exposed"
1136336;1431954787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46450 @ 0.00028017 = 13.0139 BTC [+] {4} 
1136337;1431954950;jurov;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/1-bitcoin-community-controls-99-bitcoin-wealth/ but warning, causes brainhurt
1136338;1431955010;asciilifeform;jurov: i regret to say that i may have been responsible for the first such article.
1136339;1431955029;asciilifeform;(though it, in turn, used data from a paper, cited therein)
1136340;1431955955;jurov;"made me reminisce about the old days of Occupy Wall Street".. like, it was 20 years ago?
1136341;1431955986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00028691 = 1.621 BTC [+]
1136342;1431955996;asciilifeform;jurov: the derpfest in question was so blatantly an organized 'astroturf' affair that it vanished as thoroughly as anything from 20 yrs ago
1136343;1431955999;mircea_popescu;dude, three year's a lifetime for these ephemerides
1136344;1431956145;jurov;ye olde tea partie
1136345;1431956199;asciilifeform;pee partie
1136346;1431956503;asciilifeform;http://www.securitylab.ru/news/472954.php << disgraceful. even here.
1136347;1431956563;asciilifeform;motherfuckers.
1136348;1431956563;asciilifeform;'phunctor' aha
1136349;1431957173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00028743 = 4.0096 BTC [+] {2} 
1136350;1431957390;mats;mircea_popescu: terrible trigger discipline
1136351;1431957496;mats;looks like she has her finger in the well
1136352;1431957661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37003 @ 0.00028278 = 10.4637 BTC [-]
1136353;1431957935;mats;and as an aside the high ready position is inferior
1136354;1431958010;asciilifeform;mats: good position for folks with terrible trigger discipline ?
1136355;1431958026;asciilifeform;let'em drill the sky full of holes instead of the fella behind or in front
1136356;1431958112;mike_c;ads look like they're working (technically at least).  we'll see if 8chan'ers have any money.
1136357;1431958233;mats;their fire will be less accurate in a firefight after a day's patrol due to muscle fatigue
1136358;1431958300;mircea_popescu;mats she holds it like it's a broom
1136359;1431958328;asciilifeform;obligatory >>> http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/pdu/17573280/45724/45724_900.jpg
1136360;1431958388;mats;mircea_popescu: oh, lol
1136361;1431959000;asciilifeform;http://news.softpedia.com/news/Researchers-Break-RSA-4096-Bit-Keys-481475.shtml << oddly, one fishwrap got the name spelled.
1136362;1431959266;mats;http://imgur.com/bXPjbOf
1136363;1431959430;mats;http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/29086710/emergency-crews-responding-to-downed-aircraft-near-bellows-air-force-base
1136364;1431959490;mats;osprey falls outta the sky, again
1136365;1431959915;mats;http://www.janes.com/article/51469/russia-s-armour-revolution
1136366;1431960779;mats;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/world/middleeast/isis-ramadi-iraq.html Ramadi falls against IS
1136367;1431960900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00028347 = 4.7198 BTC [+]
1136368;1431960926;mats;http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-05/18/content_20752740.htm Chinese economic reform for 2015
1136369;1431961158;mats;http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/16/former-egyptian-president-morsi-sentenced-to-death.html
1136370;1431961218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18878 @ 0.00028278 = 5.3383 BTC [-]
1136371;1431961229;mod6;8 broken keys now eh?
1136372;1431961524;justJanne;8 broken subkeys, it seems.
1136373;1431961535;justJanne;Most of them don't seem to be valid.
1136374;1431961651;mod6;how do you know they're subkeys?  did I miss this in the log?
1136375;1431961724;mike_c;it was discussed on hacker news.  looks like there are a handful of invalid subkeys on the sks servers
1136376;1431961762;mod6;oh yeah, i saw that on outside sites.
1136377;1431961771;mod6;thx
1136378;1431961828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00028347 = 3.2316 BTC [+]
1136379;1431963673;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu observation: the only thing that doesn't parallelize linearly is the multiplication (still parallelizes as previously discussed, by split into cache-sized batches across cores.) but gcd against a known product does parallelize linearly...
1136380;1431963673;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1136381;1431963695;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu we put this in next ver. and retest whole orchestra weekly..
1136382;1431963695;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1136383;1431964695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00028347 = 13.3798 BTC [+]
1136384;1431965061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17692 @ 0.00028278 = 5.0029 BTC [-]
1136385;1431965931;hanbot;BingoBoingo Weak 4096 Bit... suggested edits: "the compromised key in question was" / question which was ; " not only on their total length of the key" / the total length ; "two very large prime number" / numbers ; "subverted by an adversary from the key's generation" / range from the key's ; "what failings of they keyserver" / the keyserver ; "they have yet to factored by" / yet to be factored ; "this highlight a number of" / highlights
1136386;1431965939;hanbot;& nice work
1136387;1431965939;gribble;Error: "nice" is not a valid command.
1136388;1431965950;ben_vulpes;buenos dias
1136389;1431966057;hanbot;hola
1136390;1431966092;justJanne;soo many bots :o
1136391;1431966177;*;hanbot is mostly human
1136392;1431966584;trinque;asciilifeform: turns out dieharder uses internal glibc preprocessor directives which cause it to explode when built as c99
1136393;1431966602;trinque;looks easy enough to fix so I'll probably take a crack at it at some point
1136394;1431966713;trinque;--std=c99 kicks on __STRICT_ANSI__ which affects whether __USE_MISC is defined in features.h
1136395;1431966891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37188 @ 0.00028265 = 10.5112 BTC [-] {2} 
1136396;1431969514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00028347 = 14.8255 BTC [+]
1136397;1431970430;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1136398;1431970449;ascii_field;ty danielpbarron
1136399;1431970895;danielpbarron;!up joshbuddy
1136400;1431971400;trinque;mcclim just blew my mind
1136401;1431971446;ascii_field;trinque: enjoy the rare experience of encountering one's first non-retarded example of something (in this case, gui programming) for the first time.
1136402;1431971480;trinque;ascii_field: I recall somebody "doing" this by bolting webkit to a terminal emulator :p
1136403;1431971498;trinque;I have lived in a sea of shit
1136404;1431971521;trinque;ascii_field: incorporating the command line model into GUI programming is very cool
1136405;1431971534;trinque;and the idea that this GUI widget corresponds directly to some piece of data
1136406;1431971546;trinque;I am merely scratching the surface of what I'm looking at, so far
1136407;1431971577;trinque;seems one could do an incredible database editor in this environment
1136408;1431971598;trinque;run a query, it barfs the results with appropriate widgets given the type of data
1136409;1431971607;trinque;you can click foreign keys to traverse them, so on
1136410;1431971717;ben_vulpes;sign me up
1136411;1431972116;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Patched, thanks
1136412;1431972197;ascii_field;;;later tell decimation does phrase 'grenzenlos naiv' have any idiomatic meaning on top of the obvious ?
1136413;1431972197;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1136414;1431972281;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1136415;1431972739;ascii_field;so, one of the recent phucked keys contains two subkeys, both of which are phucked. and the self-sig is... valid.
1136416;1431972748;trinque;incredible
1136417;1431972757;ascii_field;but it was cosmic rays, dontcha know.
1136418;1431972767;trinque;anyone interesting?
1136419;1431972773;ascii_field;did you know that cosmic rays could perform signatures ?
1136420;1431972783;trinque;I just learned that yesterday from the fine folks at HN
1136421;1431972787;ascii_field;we should like to harness this engine of undiscovered computronic might
1136422;1431972823;ascii_field;nah, this one doesn't purport to belong to anyone famous
1136423;1431972930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00028719 = 7.9121 BTC [+] {2} 
1136424;1431973992;BingoBoingo;!up gares
1136425;1431974177;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1136426;1431974389;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: got an account at 'the register' ?
1136427;1431974395;BingoBoingo;Nah
1136428;1431974396;ascii_field;^ anyone else ?
1136429;1431974409;ascii_field;curious if anyone tried to point out their 'mistake'
1136430;1431974641;decimation;ascii_field: not to my limited knowledge. "boundlessly naive"/"unlimited innocence" or something like that.
1136431;1431974660;ascii_field;ty decimation
1136432;1431974679;decimation;apparently the phrased was used in a song http://lyricstranslate.com/en/meine-welt-my-world.html-0
1136433;1431974739;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: the new phukkery implies bad keygeneration in the wild, correct?
1136434;1431974739;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: presently the samples of interest fall into several categories
1136435;1431974770;ascii_field;at least one falls under the classical 'generated and correctly signed with dud key'
1136436;1431974855;ascii_field;several have invalid self-sigs and for a subset of these, a non-rotten antecedent key can be found (as pointed out by the peanut gallery)
1136437;1431974886;ascii_field;the remainder lack any self-sigs and -will- import
1136438;1431974899;decimation;ascii_field: someone on the hn comments also listed the diff between the two keys, and it was 32-bits long
1136439;1431974928;ascii_field;decimation: this is not a consistent pattern across the entire set.
1136440;1431974954;decimation;right, but if a cosmic ray were to zing through a ram stick, I wouldn't expect a 32 bit word to change completely?
1136441;1431975026;ascii_field;decimation: most of my observations thus far are not even remotely consistent with 'bit rot.'
1136442;1431975051;Apocalyptic;<ascii_field> at least one falls under the classical 'generated and correctly signed with dud key' // is that key at least a classic RSA key, meaning its modulus consists of only 2 prime factors as opposed to the case discussed yesterday ?
1136443;1431975086;ascii_field;Apocalyptic, decimation: i will let mircea_popescu include this and other interesting zoological specimens in his next article.
1136444;1431975102;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, noted, thanks
1136445;1431975105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30239 @ 0.00028066 = 8.4869 BTC [-]
1136446;1431975169;Apocalyptic;I would like to point out that unless yesterday's modulus was fully factored, which I have no knowledge of, we actually didn't factor the invalid subkey discussed
1136447;1431975278;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: feel free to perform, e.g., miller-rabin on the larger factor
1136448;1431975298;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, I did some trivial factoring on the reminder, got 2 more primes
1136449;1431975310;ascii_field;primes? so there we go.
1136450;1431975314;ascii_field;factored.
1136451;1431975317;Apocalyptic;but there is still this huge reminder, which is certainly not prime, that remains to be factored
1136452;1431975328;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, no, not only primes
1136453;1431975344;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: try pollard-rho
1136454;1431975371;Apocalyptic;on a 311 decimal base number I have my doubts, even msieve refuses to crunch it
1136455;1431975377;Apocalyptic;*311- digits
1136456;1431975384;ascii_field;specifically pollard-rho.
1136457;1431975386;Apocalyptic;but i'll look at it later
1136458;1431975410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00027691 = 14.4547 BTC [-] {3} 
1136459;1431975426;Apocalyptic;(the full factoring is interesting because it's the only way to compute the private exponent d)
1136460;1431975474;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: i was saving this exercise for after we demonstrate that one could 1) sign with the dud key 2) it would verify on some broken pgptron, somewhere
1136461;1431975548;ascii_field;the other thing is,
1136462;1431975563;ascii_field;one of the state-of-art factorizers, lenstra's elliptic curve factorization,
1136463;1431975564;Apocalyptic;"for after we demonstrate that one could 1) sign with the dud key" wait you can sign without fully factoring N ? this is news to me
1136464;1431975572;ascii_field;depends on size of -smallest- factors
1136465;1431975619;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, i thought these it was pretty much NFS all the way
1136466;1431975623;Apocalyptic;*these days
1136467;1431975633;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: yes, because folks are presumed to be using sane keys
1136468;1431975637;ascii_field;consisting of -large- primes
1136469;1431975660;Pierre_Rochard;little intermission to discuss -assets instead of pgp for a sec: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhNkv4ryuM (background on the meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pepe-the-frog )
1136470;1431975780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00027596 = 2.7596 BTC [-]
1136471;1431975781;Pierre_Rochard;more seriously (?) : https://medium.com/@21dotco/a-bitcoin-miner-in-every-device-and-in-every-hand-e315b40f2821
1136472;1431975842;Apocalyptic;anyway the remainding part I have is not divisible by primes below something like 1 billion if I remember my tests correctly, may still qualify as -small- though
1136473;1431975842;ascii_field;Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130899 << relevant thread.
1136474;1431975842;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:42:17; asciilifeform: re: '21' etc >> 'The cornerstone of the strategy as presented would have been the release of consumer products that would turn power from wall sockets into bitcoin through the widespread dissemination of bitcoin mining chips.' << -somebody- clearly reads the 2013 #b-a logs.
1136475;1431975842;Pierre_Rochard;yup, read it, this is their latest post with more details
1136476;1431975842;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, can you comment on <Apocalyptic> "for after we demonstrate that one could 1) sign with the dud key" wait you can sign without fully factoring N ? this is news to me
1136477;1431975842;Apocalyptic;or did I misunderstand what you were saying ?
1136478;1431975843;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: which part is new to you ?
1136479;1431975883;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, the part where you can sign, which implies knowledge of the private exponent d without having fully factored the modulus N
1136480;1431975916;Apocalyptic;afaik you need to have phi(N) to get d from e, and computing phi(N) is equivalently hard as getting the factorization of N
1136481;1431975943;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: see earlier link re: lenstra. there are algos which are optimized for the kind of scenario which appears to exist here (a multitude of smaller primes rather than two extremely large ones)
1136482;1431975960;Apocalyptic;so I don't get how you can save this factorization exercice for after you sign something...
1136483;1431975962;ascii_field;thus i conjecture that full factorization can be had, at reasonable cost, if there is a reason to attempt it
1136484;1431975975;Apocalyptic;I'm not disputing that
1136485;1431975989;Apocalyptic;i'm disputing you can sign anything without having it first
1136486;1431976012;ascii_field;and what i meant was that one must demonstrate that one could  import the pubkey, somewhere, and verify material that was signed with it
1136487;1431976031;Apocalyptic;!up ascii_field
1136488;1431976046;Apocalyptic;I misunderstood what you were saying then
1136489;1431976110;ascii_field;i will say more later, promise.
1136490;1431976182;mircea_popescu;ascii_field sounds great.
1136491;1431976265;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, i'm still thinking about your "exercice for the reader" from yesterday as to how get $othersmuckQ without at least doing a division for every modulus encountered
1136492;1431976288;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: if you come up with answer to this, please wake me up
1136493;1431976306;Apocalyptic;heh, so there is none known to you ?
1136494;1431976323;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: not atm. but i'm currently occupied with other things
1136495;1431976336;Apocalyptic;oh, I thought you knew the answer and it was a challenge
1136496;1431976341;ascii_field;l0l
1136497;1431976346;Apocalyptic;i'm nearly convinced there isn't by now
1136498;1431976356;Apocalyptic;by the very design of the product
1136499;1431976574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00027585 = 7.5721 BTC [-] {2} 
1136500;1431976695;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136361 << amusingly , that was for a while romania's warez source.
1136501;1431976695;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 14:23:20; asciilifeform: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Researchers-Break-RSA-4096-Bit-Keys-481475.shtml << oddly, one fishwrap got the name spelled.
1136502;1431976720;ascii_field;they had, what was it, crackable 'demos' ?
1136503;1431976725;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136364 wow.
1136504;1431976725;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 14:31:30; mats: osprey falls outta the sky, again
1136505;1431976731;mircea_popescu;ascii_field somfinlikethat
1136506;1431976754;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: so in other news one of the keys from last night has a valid sig
1136507;1431976767;ascii_field;and 2/2 moduli phucked
1136508;1431976793;ascii_field;'cosmic rays!!!111!!1'
1136509;1431976799;ascii_field;didjaknow they can sign
1136510;1431976799;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah. idiots.
1136511;1431976817;mircea_popescu;but this is why you want "the internet" to have its time to proffer its reactions.
1136512;1431976844;mircea_popescu;if you let them "agree" to "the reasonable" "explanation" you can laugh at them later. if you don't, it's gonna be "oh srsly we presented this before stanford" all over again
1136513;1431976863;ascii_field;betcha they're already working on the necessary 'powerpoint.'
1136514;1431976865;mircea_popescu;obviously, nobody is going to have to explain to anybody why they lied or anything, but hey. free internet!
1136515;1431976867;ascii_field;retro-dated.
1136516;1431976873;mircea_popescu;i don't think they can work this fast.
1136517;1431976880;mircea_popescu;which is kinda the point.
1136518;1431976954;ascii_field;in yet other news, one of the invalid-sig keys is a careful reduction of key size by 1 bit, and very interesting pattern of modifications to public N (not one-bit-flip and not from-this-point, but regularly spaced)
1136519;1431976966;ascii_field;the reduction requires altering a header field
1136520;1431976976;ascii_field;(if you've memorized rfc2440 by now you know this)
1136521;1431976983;ascii_field;cosmic rays know how to do this also, we learn
1136522;1431976994;ascii_field;we should stop settling for small change and take this to the astrophysicists
1136523;1431977003;ascii_field;they will be happy to learn just how clever cosmic ray is
1136524;1431977008;trinque;self aware cosmic rays... sounds like greg egan
1136525;1431977057;trinque;ascii_field: gentoo maintainer says dieharder is too fucked to fix https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531268
1136526;1431977117;deedbot-;[Trilema] On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. - http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/
1136527;1431977177;mircea_popescu;trinque because this is optional now.
1136528;1431977177;ascii_field;'unfixable' ahahahahaha
1136529;1431977177;trinque;yep, lol
1136530;1431977177;mircea_popescu;"we'll just have a world without diehard. should be fine as long as ux is good"
1136531;1431977177;ascii_field;how about he's locked in a room and only fed once it runs.
1136532;1431977177;ascii_field;how about that.
1136533;1431977177;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, you know how that goes. "within the constraints". "you can't have this and nsa so this can't be had"
1136534;1431977177;trinque;I've "fixed" it locally which is to say it builds
1136535;1431977177;trinque;does sound like the project could use cleanup beyond that
1136536;1431977177;trinque;but yeah, convenient right?
1136537;1431977177;trinque;as scoopbot is not back I assume deedbot- is the new guy for that too?
1136538;1431977177;mircea_popescu;ever since the us got on this kick about retards using things, stuff that's not for retards has been at a disadvantage.
1136539;1431977181;ascii_field;actively ghettoized and eventually gassed, is more like it
1136540;1431977185;mircea_popescu;trinque i dunno what you two did there. what did you do ?
1136541;1431977201;ascii_field;obligatory: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3203922895939197@naggum.net.html
1136542;1431977261;trinque;mircea_popescu: I noticed scoopbot was absent for a while, and after many complaints just loaded the feeds plugin into tenyks
1136543;1431977261;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone with a slashdot acct ? plox to dump the above link ?
1136544;1431977261;trinque;mircea_popescu: I told william I'd turn it off if his was returning, but it hasn't
1136545;1431977617;hanbot;!up ascii_field
1136546;1431977747;ascii_field;ty hanbot.
1136547;1431977766;trinque;"In closing, for the tl;dr / eli5 / etc crowd : this article is not for you. Go back to doing the dishes, we'll wake you up once you need to buy a new flag." << fucking glorious.
1136548;1431977808;mircea_popescu;im so sick of this "retards are people too" bullshit by now i can't begin to tell you.
1136549;1431977870;mircea_popescu;actually that softpedia piece is notbad.jpg
1136550;1431977875;mircea_popescu;we actually see anything wrong with it even ?
1136551;1431978054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00027975 = 5.7908 BTC [+] {2} 
1136552;1431978109;mircea_popescu;"Or perhaps they did that stupid human trick that never fails: If you have excess funds, procreate until you no longer have excess funds, then share the funds equally until you all die." << afaik this was never done in practice, outside of easter island. not that women everywhere didn't endlessly & forever try. but anyway, re the ancient women broken strat discussion, THIS is a fine statement of the problem.
1136553;1431978167;davout;trinque: yea, cracked me up too
1136554;1431978342;davout;ben_vulpes: in everyday life you can say "en vélo" and "à vélo", you won't sound retarded either way, the correct way is "à vélo" though, "en voiture", "en avion", "à cheval". depends on whether you're inside or not
1136555;1431978359;mircea_popescu;depends on whether you're riding it or not.
1136556;1431978363;davout;e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoHjQs6C4UY
1136557;1431978423;mircea_popescu;how did jonas travel ? a or en ?
1136558;1431978429;mircea_popescu;a baleine, amirite ?
1136559;1431978491;davout;en baleine
1136560;1431978496;mircea_popescu;o srsly ?
1136561;1431978497;davout;that how i'd say it
1136562;1431978498;ascii_field;'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.
1136563;1431978513;davout;but the more i look into this issue, the murkier it looks
1136564;1431978518;mircea_popescu;if it pays so well how come you're not there aha.
1136565;1431978527;mircea_popescu;davout :) you have been blessed by the b-a fairy.
1136566;1431978545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00028346 = 1.7008 BTC [+]
1136567;1431978549;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i was drummed out of academia while reasonably young, for the crime of not-giving-a-rat's-arse
1136568;1431978560;davout;there seems to be something to waht mircea_popescu's saying wrt to 'riding', but it doesn't look that's the full story, i found another source that says both "en/à vélo" are correct
1136569;1431978574;mircea_popescu;!up stoon
1136570;1431978592;davout;mircea_popescu: i wish the b-a fairy gave me more money, instead of more hair
1136571;1431978605;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/livres/2011/02/10/03005-20110210ARTFIG00483--cheval-et-en-velo.php
1136572;1431978665;mircea_popescu;davout i think this is one of those stories of old world privilege meanwhile abandoned because impractical and who gives a shit. just don't make it sur, that's niggerspeak
1136573;1431978665;ascii_field;davout: b-a fairy only hands out honourable deaths
1136574;1431978665;ascii_field;to the deserving.
1136575;1431978665;mircea_popescu;and murk to everyone else.
1136576;1431978665;mircea_popescu;hence, "murk moar".
1136577;1431978665;davout;ascii_field: yea, hopefully i end up in decentrally corwdfunded valhalla
1136578;1431978665;davout;mircea_popescu: re niggerspeak, totally
1136579;1431978667;ascii_field;http://i.imgur.com/O3F9CF5.jpg << relevant
1136580;1431978727;BingoBoingo;http://slashdot.org/submission/4440577/the-problem-of-teaching-the-controversy-in-infosec
1136581;1431978787;mircea_popescu;i notice alf is very chan-oriented these days. picrelated all day from this fellow.
1136582;1431978787;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo curious how that goes.
1136583;1431978787;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i typically get'em from diametric
1136584;1431978787;mircea_popescu;what's your score yet, three ?
1136585;1431978787;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what is that even, "fuckhead throne" ?
1136586;1431978787;ascii_field;aha
1136587;1431978787;davout;ascii_field: oh god, the chair
1136588;1431978787;ascii_field;original being, approximately, http://hellogiggles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/03/hbo-game-of-thrones-iron-throne-lifesize-replica-03.jpg
1136589;1431978847;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1136590;1431978847;trinque;the one with dicks would be more relevant to the show... most plot-oriented softcore porn ever created
1136591;1431978847;davout;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136554
1136592;1431978847;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 19:45:42; davout: ben_vulpes: in everyday life you can say "en vélo" and "à vélo", you won't sound retarded either way, the correct way is "à vélo" though, "en voiture", "en avion", "à cheval". depends on whether you're inside or not
1136593;1431978847;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1136594;1431978869;mircea_popescu;is game of thrones the one with a dumb bitch that's the hero in spite of not doing anything ? (outside of feelings)
1136595;1431978876;mircea_popescu;gladiatorial combat something something
1136596;1431978932;davout;mircea_popescu: it has complex psychology11!
1136597;1431978937;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, she's going around freeing teh peoples, torching the previous rulers with dragons
1136598;1431978951;mircea_popescu;occupy dragonclutch ?
1136599;1431978975;mircea_popescu;"we are the 1 herp, because percents are a jdif conspiracy"
1136600;1431978983;trinque;lol
1136601;1431978990;trinque;total circlejerk character
1136602;1431979023;mircea_popescu;by now, im not so sure of the mental health of tv watchers anyway. i guess it's prolly best not disturb them.
1136603;1431979029;trinque;I have a half-baked notion that people in the US like this show because they are aware of 200 years of history, if that, and only of their own dirt
1136604;1431979034;mircea_popescu;who knows what zombiecalypse lies in wait
1136605;1431979123;mircea_popescu;mike_c how's teh traffix mah bruther ? too much ?
1136606;1431979254;mike_c;71k hits
1136607;1431979291;mircea_popescu;if it needs to be scaled down you say, i scale.
1136608;1431979294;mike_c;box is still standing.  yet another reason I need to move to BISP though.  it seems ok for now.
1136609;1431979308;mircea_popescu;kk
1136610;1431979364;BingoBoingo;http://www.ajc.com/news/news/atlanta-cops-probe-lewd-appearance-of-obnoxious-bu/nmFNq/
1136611;1431979475;mircea_popescu;Shook was on the scene, telling 11Alive�s Duffie Dixon that the image was �highly disturbing, aggravating, obnoxious and illegal.�
1136612;1431979477;mircea_popescu;cocks ? srsly ?
1136613;1431979564;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Appears to have been oatse
1136614;1431979568;BingoBoingo;*goatse
1136615;1431979576;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1136616;1431979584;mircea_popescu;aghagaga way to go goatse!
1136617;1431979740;davout;mircea_popescu: btw
1136618;1431979741;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134563
1136619;1431979741;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 13:41:39; davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/g5ci4oK.png <<< the paymium banner
1136620;1431979753;davout;also pls to X.EUR
1136621;1431979778;mircea_popescu;ah yes the eur. aite on it.
1136622;1431979821;mircea_popescu;davout what is it, paymium.com ?
1136623;1431979828;davout;yes
1136624;1431979956;mircea_popescu;davout banner's live.
1136625;1431979982;davout;nice! ty!
1136626;1431979983;mircea_popescu;btw copypaste ^ now there's a banner to a respectable exchange in the rotation, people can buy btc there.
1136627;1431980005;davout;no amerifags though
1136628;1431980034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12098 @ 0.0002765 = 3.3451 BTC [-]
1136629;1431980044;mircea_popescu;ah, is it like us-banned.jpg ?
1136630;1431980068;davout;yeah, we do europe, technically EEA + CH
1136631;1431980078;davout;americans are a big no-no
1136632;1431980084;davout;because fatca
1136633;1431980084;mircea_popescu;must suck to be one by now.
1136634;1431980203;davout;so the bitbet banners are generated dynamically from the bets?
1136635;1431980223;mircea_popescu;ayup. mike_c got some serious magic going there, im impresst.
1136636;1431980292;davout;it *is* impressive
1136637;1431980318;mircea_popescu;it all started with kakobrekla 's sane design, which json etc.
1136638;1431980330;mircea_popescu;but it's a tower of cool to shake the very foundations of "web 2.0" idiocy.
1136639;1431980349;mircea_popescu;organically grown, too.
1136640;1431980369;mike_c;thanks!  nice things can happen when there is a good foundation to work from.
1136641;1431980563;mod6;yeah, good work!
1136642;1431980576;mircea_popescu;how's huntin' mod6 ?
1136643;1431980649;mod6;ah! good :]
1136644;1431980710;BingoBoingo;Florida and DC Aids capitals of the US http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2015/14_0395.htm
1136645;1431980770;mod6;aside from keeping up with the unfolding nosuchlabs work, within 7000 blocks of my next regression benchmark being finished.  should have some new charts to look at in 24 hours.
1136646;1431980770;mod6;s/regression/performance/
1136647;1431980787;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1136648;1431980795;ascii_field;'accidental discharges of firearms' l0l
1136649;1431980807;ascii_field;'legal intervention'
1136650;1431980849;mod6;And as far as the gentoo stuff goes, I kinda had to put that on hold for a minute.  I'm going to finish the rest of that up on real hardware.  But to do so, I gotta drive across town and buy a new box.  I might wait until after the 1st to continue this front.
1136651;1431980864;mircea_popescu;why do anons on trilema prefer to name themselves obama-something ?
1136652;1431980923;mircea_popescu;mod6 i feel you. here's me kinda having to put gentoo on hold for a... minute : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-05-2015#1123691
1136653;1431980923;assbot;Logged on 07-05-2015 05:21:17; mircea_popescu: this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp.
1136654;1431981051;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/btc/res/222.html#226 << holy shit that thing has a face.
1136655;1431981396;mod6;mircea_popescu: ahh, yeah.  having gone through the gauntlet already on the thing at least a dozen times in aws, and also now having re-read the Gentoo-Handbook, i feel like I'm very close on this.  To complete the guide, i wanna test out all of the steps on real hardware so the steps are accurate. I believe it'll entail something like creating a USB boot image, then booting off of that, then creating a stage3 in a chroot, then deploying that to 
1136656;1431981439;trinque;^ sounds sane
1136657;1431981462;mod6;and trinque, thanks for all your help :]
1136658;1431981466;trinque;if you're booting from USB you can make the chroot a mount of the thing's own partitions
1136659;1431981471;trinque;rather than a copy step; might've been what you meant
1136660;1431981480;trinque;mod6: no problem!
1136661;1431981493;mod6;ah, yeah. that makes sense.
1136662;1431981545;mod6;anyway, i have high hopes that some of these steps could even be automated to aliviate the pain of building this by hand.
1136663;1431981805;*;mircea_popescu follows eagerly.
1136664;1431981807;mircea_popescu;!up Ginux
1136665;1431982200;ben_vulpes;trinque: what the actual fuck "not worth maintaining"
1136666;1431982213;ben_vulpes;forgive the ignorance, but what's wrong with the ebuild from 2 months ago?
1136667;1431982550;trinque;ben_vulpes: the actual dieharder code uses glibc internals in a way that used to work, now does not due to as yet undiscovered source of rust, with vague indications that compiling with std=c99 has implications for glibc
1136668;1431982587;mircea_popescu;he raged at this in logs past few days.
1136669;1431982594;mircea_popescu;eventually idea was to ulibc
1136670;1431982620;trinque;mircea_popescu: does seem that we keep encountering the rot of glibc
1136671;1431982747;trinque;ben_vulpes: that said a working dieharder can be built with my naive patch listed in that bug report
1136672;1431983299;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh and... several weak results from the consumer hardware I have laying around
1136673;1431983330;trinque;so "not worth maintaining" my ass
1136674;1431983355;trinque;I'll chew on the thing for a while and see what comes of it
1136675;1431983365;*;mircea_popescu follows eagerly-er.
1136676;1431983679;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1136677;1431983704;ascii_field;trinque: if you are a n00b to dieharder, i must remind you that just about anything looks like 'weak result'
1136678;1431983715;trinque;total n00b
1136679;1431983717;ascii_field;it is a comparative, rather than absolute measure
1136680;1431983721;mircea_popescu;ah good point. mind that merely a failed test is of itself meaningless
1136681;1431983744;mircea_popescu;you must have a theory as to what exactly would it do before you can actually say a rng was shown weak by dieharder.
1136682;1431983781;ascii_field;i will also add that, e.g., digits of 'pi', are beautifully entropic per dieharder and most anything else
1136683;1431983788;mircea_popescu;(if you think about it : an entropy source that always pass tests is by definition not entropic. see last year's amusement with the "guess number" toy alf made)
1136684;1431983807;mircea_popescu;passes*
1136685;1431983819;ascii_field;!s fips
1136686;1431983820;assbot;8 results for 'fips' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fips
1136687;1431983824;ascii_field;^ related lulz
1136688;1431983856;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609173
1136689;1431983856;assbot;Logged on 08-04-2014 03:16:07; asciilifeform: don't be the schmuck who builds rng which throws away batches of bits that fail some test
1136690;1431983887;trinque;interesting; I'll consider the dieharder source code a starting point for further research.
1136691;1431983904;*;trinque afk for a bit
1136692;1431984225;mircea_popescu;!up Jautenim
1136693;1431984285;Jautenim;thank you mr p
1136694;1431984320;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
1136695;1431984476;Jautenim;lurker at contravex, trilema & the logs for some time now
1136696;1431984536;mircea_popescu;aha
1136697;1431984542;ben_vulpes;trinque: i still have no idea how to do a local overlay for a package pulled from portage
1136698;1431984547;ben_vulpes;naive attempts totally failed
1136699;1431984557;justJanne;@ascii_field, about pi: No, pi is not a good source of entropy
1136700;1431984579;ascii_field;justJanne: as if this needed saying
1136701;1431984589;ascii_field;justJanne: but you will notice that it -passes tests-
1136702;1431984592;justJanne;LOL
1136703;1431984609;ascii_field;ergo, utility for battlefield crypto does not reduce to mathematical tests
1136704;1431984651;mircea_popescu;justJanne the application here is that, if i give you a string of random numbers which unknown to you are the nth digit of pi onwards, you may think you have entropy by "tests".
1136705;1431984661;justJanne;the issue with pi is that it is a very slow RNG
1136706;1431984666;justJanne;and not really good.
1136707;1431984676;mircea_popescu;absolutely 0 good.
1136708;1431984700;ascii_field;justJanne: nothing to do with 'slow' (baily-borwein-plouffe algo is fast, gives nth digit)
1136709;1431984703;mxtm;why would pi be an entropy source
1136710;1431984715;mxtm;it's the same always
1136711;1431984717;mxtm;just never ending
1136712;1431984718;ascii_field;but with the fact that once enemy catches on, he will laugh himself to death (this being your only hope)
1136713;1431984724;justJanne;also true
1136714;1431984746;Jautenim;I came to ask what are the rough requirements
1136715;1431984754;Apocalyptic;<mxtm> it's the same always // what
1136716;1431984755;Jautenim;for running a 0.5.3.1 node
1136717;1431984763;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/health/a-way-to-brew-morphine-raises-concerns-over-regulation.html?_r=1 << mega-l0l
1136718;1431984824;mxtm;Apocalyptic: the nth digit of pi doesn't change
1136719;1431984824;mircea_popescu;Jautenim atm it's practically running on a pogo, so very low.
1136720;1431984824;Apocalyptic;it is actually conjectured that pi contains all the possible finite sequences you can think of
1136721;1431984824;mxtm;yes, but when
1136722;1431984824;Apocalyptic;mxtm, no shit, why would it change ?
1136723;1431984824;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: not merely 'pi', but all transcendentals
1136724;1431984824;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic this is the case for all
1136725;1431984824;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, of course
1136726;1431984824;mircea_popescu;god damned.
1136727;1431984825;mxtm;Apocalyptic: then how would it be an entropy source
1136728;1431984827;mxtm;if it doesn't change
1136729;1431984835;Apocalyptic;mxtm, you read the digits onward...
1136730;1431984841;mircea_popescu;!up gares
1136731;1431984868;mircea_popescu;mxtm it's not a REAL entropy source. it's a defined sequence that may be confused for an entropy source, if one's definition of entropy is test based.
1136732;1431984873;mircea_popescu;read carefully wha was said
1136733;1431984885;ben_vulpes;Jautenim: not a great deal, i think mod6 ran one in less than 200MB of RAM recently, but that was with asciilifeform's 'orphanage thermonuke'
1136734;1431984898;mxtm;yeah, that's what i was trying to convey, it's a defined sequence
1136735;1431984949;ascii_field;'The yeasts could be locked in secure laboratories, worked on by screened employees. Sharing them with other scientists without government permission could be outlawed.' << what even.
1136736;1431984951;*;ascii_field falls down
1136737;1431984963;Apocalyptic;mxtm, Mersenne twister seeded with a strong seed is also a defined sequence
1136738;1431984980;Apocalyptic;still used as prng
1136739;1431985001;mircea_popescu;prngs not what we're discussing here tho.
1136740;1431985054;Apocalyptic;yeah, he seems to argue that since it's deterministic it's no good
1136741;1431985097;Apocalyptic;but that isn't relevant to the "tests" discussed
1136742;1431985098;Jautenim;I'm planning to rent a cheap vps and run it more or less full time
1136743;1431985106;Jautenim;in order to help testing
1136744;1431985110;mircea_popescu;Jautenim or you could order a pogo and help that effort along ?
1136745;1431985113;Jautenim;lemme know if I can help
1136746;1431985114;mircea_popescu;it's like 10bux
1136747;1431985118;mircea_popescu;!s pogo
1136748;1431985119;assbot;461 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
1136749;1431985119;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: the precaution taught in school is that 'prng is bad because enemy might learn the seed.' which is a 'lie of omission' - given the existence of a relation between bit N and bit N+1, enemy may have the means to infer N+1 (and N-1) from N
1136750;1431985123;mircea_popescu;^ see that.
1136751;1431985177;Jautenim;mircea_popescu can they be ordered from teh EU?
1136752;1431985196;mircea_popescu;hm, i recall there were supply problems in the eu. but maybe worth a try.
1136753;1431985214;mircea_popescu;at any rate cheaper than a vps.
1136754;1431985233;mircea_popescu;i mean if you have your own iron you don't need it's one thing, but otherwise... best own the box.
1136755;1431985255;mircea_popescu;in other news, "In the newt species Notophthalmus viridescens, males carry out a courtship behavior called amplexus. It consists of males capturing females that do not want to mate with them and using their hind limbs to grasp the females by their pectoral regions." << check out the newt pua!
1136756;1431985314;Jautenim;I'll look into it
1136757;1431985328;mircea_popescu;"Male guppies (Poecilia reticulata) have been observed to forcefully copulate with females by trying to insert their gonopodium (male sex organ) into female�s genital pores, whether or not they are accepting. Sometimes, male guppies also try to forcefully mate with Skiffia bilineata (goodeid) females, which resemble guppy females and tend to share the same habitat, even when guppy females are available. A possible ex
1136758;1431985329;mircea_popescu;planation for this is the deeper genital cavity of S. bilineata, which stimulates the males more than when mating with guppy females."
1136759;1431985334;mircea_popescu;^ dedicated slut species, omg.
1136760;1431985362;Jautenim;apropos
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1136769;1431985783;danielpbarron;!up referredbyloper
1136770;1431985831;justJanne;okay, I’m kinda in a hurry – anyone know a fast way to do two-out-of-three in boolean logic with less than 5 operators?
1136771;1431985872;mircea_popescu;!up ETIST
1136772;1431985891;mircea_popescu;lol cheating on homework already!
1136773;1431985909;justJanne;nah,
1136774;1431985911;justJanne;okay, kinda.
1136775;1431985914;justJanne;yes >_>
1136776;1431985915;trinque;ahaha
1136777;1431985917;mxtm;haha
1136778;1431985932;justJanne;the question was to implement the < operator on int with boolean logic
1136779;1431985944;justJanne;we got it down to 8 operations, but others got it in 7
1136780;1431985964;justJanne;the only optimizable place would be the point where we do a two-out-of-three logic
1136781;1431985965;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1136782;1431985971;ascii_field;justJanne: 'we' ?!!!
1136783;1431985980;justJanne;currently (a & (b | c)) | (b & c)
1136784;1431985980;mircea_popescu;talmud eh.
1136785;1431985996;justJanne;ascii_field: homework is done in groups of two here at uni, so people learn how to do teamwork
1136786;1431986008;*;mircea_popescu foretold.
1136787;1431986025;trinque;learn how to pass the whole class
1136788;1431986038;justJanne;Yeah, that’s not the issue.
1136789;1431986046;trinque;teaches the best to hold back too; that's always good
1136790;1431986047;mircea_popescu;justJanne your currently is 4 not 8 ? am i confused ?
1136791;1431986066;justJanne;mircea_popescu: the overall question is to implement the < operator
1136792;1431986091;justJanne;https://paste.kde.org/pbyoq0axp
1136793;1431986151;justJanne;as you see, 8 ops
1136794;1431986199;mircea_popescu;lmao
1136795;1431986206;mircea_popescu;switch order around, get rid of not, 7.
1136796;1431986215;justJanne;not possible.
1136797;1431986221;justJanne;remember, we are working with ints
1136798;1431986239;justJanne;so the ! is necessary there to turn -1 into 1
1136799;1431986277;mircea_popescu;doesn't ! turn false into true ?!
1136800;1431986282;justJanne;kinda.
1136801;1431986287;justJanne;this is C.
1136802;1431986295;mircea_popescu;return ((  (x & (l1 | ny)) | (l1 & ny) ) >> 31);
1136803;1431986296;justJanne;so everything that is not 0 is automatically true
1136804;1431986298;mircea_popescu;what's that do.
1136805;1431986306;justJanne;it would return 0 or -1
1136806;1431986311;mircea_popescu;so then...
1136807;1431986313;justJanne;as >> moves the sign
1136808;1431986324;justJanne;so you need to do +1 or !
1136809;1431986337;mircea_popescu;<justJanne> so everything that is not 0 is automatically true < ?
1136810;1431986340;justJanne;yes
1136811;1431986355;mircea_popescu;i think you're being german :D
1136812;1431986359;justJanne;5 is true.
1136813;1431986361;justJanne;2 is true.
1136814;1431986363;mircea_popescu;-1 ?
1136815;1431986364;justJanne;1 is true.
1136816;1431986367;justJanne;-10000 is true
1136817;1431986370;justJanne;0 is false
1136818;1431986375;mircea_popescu;so then the fucntion returns true, false.
1136819;1431986382;justJanne;(kinda)
1136820;1431986392;justJanne;c has no true, nor real false. But it can return 1 or 0
1136821;1431986394;mircea_popescu;you want 7 or don't you ?
1136822;1431986396;justJanne;yes
1136823;1431986403;justJanne;but it’s too late anyway
1136824;1431986405;mircea_popescu;this is where a bring young mind learns what C really is all about :D
1136825;1431986468;justJanne;we did lots of optimizations in the past weeks, homework this week is "you have this blob of binary, find out what it does, circumvent its checks"
1136826;1431986494;ascii_field;justJanne: that last one was called 'the bomb' where i went to school
1136827;1431986512;ascii_field;traditional exercise
1136828;1431986540;ascii_field;it's really just a ritualized version of the familiar cracking of w4r3z
1136829;1431986635;justJanne;yeah.
1136830;1431986646;justJanne;I spent the past days doing the same – actually cracking DRM of Tidal
1136831;1431986669;justJanne;but then I discovered they have an unobfuscated android app, so I got lazy and started instead decompiling that one
1136832;1431986724;ascii_field;justJanne: traditionally copy protection is implemented, where the rubber hits the road, by poor schmucks who aren't dumb enough to believe that it 'works' but still gotta collect that salary, and so 'are only following orderz'
1136833;1431986730;ascii_field;hence tends to be... lackluster
1136834;1431986758;mircea_popescu;kinda funny that drm never got as clever as viruses. even back when both these were clever, the ms-dos era.
1136835;1431986762;justJanne;the in-browser DRM is a native binary that is pretty much stripped of any information, actually kinda hard to use, but the Android version of almost everything is stupid
1136836;1431986770;ascii_field;(there are notable exceptions, e.g., ilfak guilfanov)
1136837;1431986777;justJanne;(yes, Tidal uses a native plugin for in-browser DRM)
1136838;1431986788;mircea_popescu;justJanne what is tidal even ?
1136839;1431986801;justJanne;A music streaming service that streams lossless unedited FLAC files
1136840;1431986814;justJanne;about 1344kbps quality
1136841;1431986822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105100 @ 0.00027668 = 29.0791 BTC [+] {4} 
1136842;1431986824;ascii_field;if lossless, why not pull'em out of /dev/pcm
1136843;1431986833;justJanne;I wanted a way to scrape them.
1136844;1431986839;trinque;streaming service that got whoever's still considered "famous" in music together, stamped their faces on the thing
1136845;1431986860;mircea_popescu;aha
1136846;1431986873;trinque;"so totally not spotify you see"
1136847;1431986878;justJanne;I found a way, but now I have a few thousand files encrypted, the corresponding PBKDF2WithHmacSHA1 encryption keys, but was too lazy to find the client-side salt for that
1136848;1431986914;justJanne;and the sound quality, tbh, is great. Just not worth 20$ a month
1136849;1431986992;trinque;ah I guess jay-z owns it
1136850;1431987024;mircea_popescu;is this the guy that owns burning man ?
1136851;1431987073;trinque;heh looks like there's some noise about dr dre being behind burning man
1136852;1431987085;trinque;damned hilarious if so, dunno about that
1136853;1431987173;mircea_popescu;oh different one k nm
1136854;1431987181;*;mircea_popescu can't distinguish rappers
1136855;1431987214;justJanne;The difference between Dr Dre and Jay Z? Jay Z’s product actually is something more than marketing speech
1136856;1431987232;ben_vulpes;wowee justJanne with the opinions
1136857;1431987233;justJanne;I mean, Beats are just cheap Philips headphones with a bass boost.
1136858;1431987237;justJanne;literally
1136859;1431987258;trinque;jay-z is probably the best of the rapper-turned-entrepreneurs, yes
1136860;1431987261;ben_vulpes;anyways, Tidal was a flip onto Jay Z who has yet to learn how horrifically expensive software is to build and maintain in fiatland.
1136861;1431987283;mircea_popescu;lawl.
1136862;1431987288;trinque;yup, the people who listen to him and beyonce aren't even paying for spotify
1136863;1431987311;mircea_popescu;wow beyonce is still a thing ?
1136864;1431987318;mircea_popescu;this is the hot model woman from 10 years ago right ?
1136865;1431987319;ben_vulpes;he'll blow a billi, and never touch software again.
1136866;1431987329;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: mami's still lookin good!
1136867;1431987335;trinque;haha hear hear!
1136868;1431987337;mircea_popescu;digital or irl ?
1136869;1431987352;ben_vulpes;last i saw was the hbo special
1136870;1431987363;mircea_popescu;dawg im impressed, this is like black madonna material.
1136871;1431987366;ben_vulpes;3+ hours of high-octane beyonce wiggle
1136872;1431987369;justJanne;ben_vulpes: still, compared to all those 9000$ expensive audio cables, or Beats headphones, lossless FLAC has an advantage over 128kbps mp3
1136873;1431987371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42222 @ 0.00027343 = 11.5448 BTC [-] {2} 
1136874;1431987372;mircea_popescu;who ever knew of a black hottie outlast a decade.
1136875;1431987404;trinque;justJanne: yeah just average consumer derp is not going to tell the difference between that and spotify's ogg-whatever
1136876;1431987410;*;ben_vulpes has yet to outlast a decade
1136877;1431987415;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut. SKIN LIGHTENING ?
1136878;1431987415;trinque;and will just see 10 bucks more than the 10 bucks I'm already not paying
1136879;1431987421;mircea_popescu;you gotta be kidding me.
1136880;1431987423;justJanne;trinque: lol
1136881;1431987429;mircea_popescu;is she inviting preteens over to her estate next ?
1136882;1431987436;justJanne;yeah, still – Tidal is the first service providing CD quality.
1136883;1431987437;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: sauce
1136884;1431987443;mircea_popescu;http://gossipmagazines.net/beyonce-plastic-surgery/
1136885;1431987503;ben_vulpes;justJanne: sure if you discount gnutella.
1136886;1431987503;justJanne;ben_vulpes: we’re talking about services that have a chance of mainstream adoption.
1136887;1431987503;justJanne;gnutella has as much chances of mainstream adoption as Gentoo has
1136888;1431987503;ben_vulpes;bitch please back in the day gnutella /was/ mainstream
1136889;1431987522;ben_vulpes;just because nobody uses it anymore, well.
1136890;1431987524;trinque;who remembers direct connect?
1136891;1431987533;trinque;and winmx?
1136892;1431987544;ben_vulpes;we're getting old, trinque
1136893;1431987545;trinque;man that was a glorious age of the internet
1136894;1431987554;mircea_popescu;<justJanne> gnutella has as much chances of mainstream adoption as Gentoo has << ouch-zing-ouch
1136895;1431987555;ben_vulpes;soon we'll be grumpy like mircea_popescu
1136896;1431987562;trinque;ben_vulpes: goddamn kids don't understand the unlimited buffet that was the intertubes
1136897;1431987577;justJanne;still is!
1136898;1431987587;mircea_popescu;justJanne he doesn't mean pr0n hon.
1136899;1431987596;justJanne;oh.
1136900;1431987600;trinque;lol
1136901;1431987600;mircea_popescu;!b 2
1136902;1431987600;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FGH014.txt )
1136903;1431987606;mircea_popescu;shit stop messing up my bash ppls!
1136904;1431987611;ben_vulpes;c-c-c-c-c
1136905;1431987615;ben_vulpes;-combo breaker!
1136906;1431987633;trinque;kazaa was when the idiots all joined the party and ruined it
1136907;1431987644;mircea_popescu;stop being raceys trinque
1136908;1431987648;justJanne;hey, at least nowadays the web is getting better again.
1136909;1431987653;ben_vulpes;bwahahahaha
1136910;1431987655;ben_vulpes;ah
1136911;1431987657;ben_vulpes;ho
1136912;1431987658;trinque;I apologize for my senseless outburst of hate
1136913;1431987659;ben_vulpes;hee hee hee
1136914;1431987665;trinque;justJanne: is not youngin
1136915;1431987670;justJanne;Almost every video service hosts plain video files instead of flash-based players for .flv videos anymore
1136916;1431987675;mircea_popescu;^
1136917;1431987682;mircea_popescu;solid point she has there bitches.
1136918;1431987687;ben_vulpes;justJanne: have you been following the glibc travails?
1136919;1431987699;justJanne;nah.
1136920;1431987701;trinque;yeah I'll grant browsers are going further towards "open techmology" whatever that means
1136921;1431987703;mircea_popescu;what now ? owned by a 19yo girl ? not even speaking her mother tongue ? HOW!!1 do you expect to end up bitter like me this wya ?
1136922;1431987730;trinque;hilarious also that the shit getting put into the browser is effectively whatw as in flash
1136923;1431987738;justJanne;trinque: not necessarily.
1136924;1431987754;mircea_popescu;im really impressed with stuff like gyfcat or w/e that was called.
1136925;1431987755;justJanne;Now I can just grep through the JS, find the link to the .mp4, and wget it, and watch it offline
1136926;1431987758;justJanne;I remember the sad days of having to decompile swf objects just to rip a video.
1136927;1431987764;justJanne;or using *cringe* realplayer
1136928;1431987770;mircea_popescu;and 8chan was, to my surprise, chock full of html5 videos that work just fine.
1136929;1431987776;mircea_popescu;youtube does not work for me, but 8chan does.
1136930;1431987786;trinque;flash was just another ecmascript runtime thing
1136931;1431987789;trinque;with a canvas like the canvas tag
1136932;1431987796;mircea_popescu;justJanne wait, the sad days from when you were... 9 ?
1136933;1431987798;trinque;and of course DRM and other shit
1136934;1431987804;justJanne;mircea_popescu: yes?
1136935;1431987808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00027341 = 3.5953 BTC [-]
1136936;1431987821;trinque;I'm not saying the browser isn't adding features; I'm saying it's aping the tired ways of a previous generation
1136937;1431987824;mircea_popescu;you were ripping flash vids before your voice changed. wtf is this!
1136938;1431987827;trinque;there's nothing "new" about html5
1136939;1431987835;mircea_popescu;trinque other than the fact it works.
1136940;1431987836;justJanne;of course not.
1136941;1431987857;justJanne;although, there is something new
1136942;1431987858;mircea_popescu;!rated copypaste
1136943;1431987858;assbot;You rated user copypaste on 13-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Presumably, 8chan owner.
1136944;1431987868;justJanne;people writing in-browser apps that don’t support linking
1136945;1431987877;mircea_popescu;!rate copypaste 2 Confirmed for the ever-awesome HotWheels.
1136946;1431987878;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/82ddd601d1ac8005
1136947;1431987894;trinque;justJanne: points out the conflict between the web-as-document-store and web-as-app-things
1136948;1431987901;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.copypaste.2:dd03f79f93681af647a8dddf4f7c2f32fd9dc2470a2bedda0f600cc1b5da14a7
1136949;1431987901;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for copypaste from 1 to 2 with note: Confirmed for the ever-awesome HotWheels.
1136950;1431987916;trinque;anyhow what are we addressing here. I was reminiscing about opennap servers
1136951;1431987919;justJanne;trinque: one funny example: http://i.imgur.com/k9BZPhT.png
1136952;1431987979;justJanne;(screenshot from DDG)
1136953;1431987993;trinque;that looks like someone's stupid js data bindey thing fucked up
1136954;1431987997;trinque;what am I looking for
1136955;1431988009;justJanne;exactly
1136956;1431988017;justJanne;JS webapps that do everything in-browser
1136957;1431988027;justJanne;makes the job a lot harder for crawlers
1136958;1431988037;trinque;I approve of you having independently discovered that this is a shit way to do things.
1136959;1431988060;justJanne;when my crawler stopped working due to this,
1136960;1431988073;trinque;subcategory of... JS is an appalling language and bolted to the DOM it's even worse
1136961;1431988085;mircea_popescu;trinque i dunno dood, i love the select thing on trilema.
1136962;1431988088;mircea_popescu;first time i ever used js.
1136963;1431988098;justJanne;JS has some nice parts.
1136964;1431988109;justJanne;like that it encourages them to use more functional code
1136965;1431988109;adlai;justJanne: dunno, it seems obvious that if you want to crawl the luser-visible web, you simulate the luser, not curl
1136966;1431988128;justJanne;adlai: yes, but in 2008 you could just curl the web and get it all
1136967;1431988147;mircea_popescu;and in 2010 you could cpu mine
1136968;1431988156;justJanne;in 2010 you could throw wget -r on the new york times and get, after a few weeks, half of the web.
1136969;1431988176;mircea_popescu;more like a fifth, and if using slashdot.
1136970;1431988176;justJanne;if your parents didn’t kill you for the dialup bill, though
1136971;1431988185;trinque;mircea_popescu: I can't argue with HTML being a decent way of publishing articles; seems to have worked out pretty well
1136972;1431988206;trinque;I do think many "web apps" of today would do better to be written as native code which just opens a socket for data
1136973;1431988206;mircea_popescu;trinque the selector thing is specific js tho, and it does something not afaik doable in html per se
1136974;1431988223;mircea_popescu;something that i want so badly, i would never give up
1136975;1431988256;trinque;s/HTML/HTML+CSS+JS/
1136976;1431988269;trinque;the conflict there is the same one as in SQL
1136977;1431988273;trinque;"end user programming"
1136978;1431988284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.0002726 = 11.1221 BTC [-] {2} 
1136979;1431988286;trinque;so you've got one group of derps demanding the thing be "intuitive" to "those people"
1136980;1431988300;trinque;and you've got other people trying to use the things as proper programming tools
1136981;1431988324;justJanne;it’s not just limited to that.
1136982;1431988327;trinque;the browser's a fine document thing and it should stop there before it hurts someone
1136983;1431988336;justJanne;you might end up with governmental websites using JS for access control.
1136984;1431988351;justJanne;and governments then passing laws that "circumventing client-side access control" becomes a crime
1136985;1431988359;trinque;meh
1136986;1431988362;trinque;prove I did it
1136987;1431988375;trinque;I don't think anyone in government could form those sentences
1136988;1431988380;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the law works, trinque
1136989;1431988385;trinque;it is *real*!!!
1136990;1431988409;mircea_popescu;here's a simple explanation catering to you specifically : it's not a truth finding mechanism, it's a consensus building mechanism.
1136991;1431988422;mircea_popescu;it's point is not to produce sicence, but to prevent people from clobbering each other.
1136992;1431988424;mircea_popescu;geddit ?
1136993;1431988430;justJanne;we’re talking here about a government where the chancellor has a PhD in Quantum Chemistry – obviously not stupid, but evil.
1136994;1431988455;trinque;mircea_popescu: yes that makes sense re: law
1136995;1431988470;mircea_popescu;so "prove i did it" has a very simple counter : if you weigh the same as a duck
1136996;1431988472;mircea_popescu;you're made of wood
1136997;1431988475;trinque;ahahaha
1136998;1431988476;mircea_popescu;and therefore, my bitch!
1136999;1431988503;trinque;of course; it's something I may run into or not, but I will not try to make sense of wooden ducks
1137000;1431988520;mircea_popescu;best burn down any large scales of that kind.
1137001;1431988529;trinque;justJanne: someone requires I use thing X as part of my browser, and that's the day I stop using browsers
1137002;1431988536;justJanne;the law literally says "if you access an electronical data computation system unauthorized"
1137003;1431988539;mircea_popescu;what, like you stopped using glibc ?
1137004;1431988541;mircea_popescu;:D
1137005;1431988542;justJanne;where authorized isn’t defined
1137006;1431988567;mircea_popescu;justJanne blessfully, relatively few people live in that sort of shithole. speaking of which, do you have plans to escape ?
1137007;1431988586;justJanne;nah. It’s good enough. And at least streaming illegal movies is legal here
1137008;1431988596;mircea_popescu;heh.
1137009;1431988598;*;trinque emits a parse error
1137010;1431988603;trinque;mircea_popescu: and someday yes!
1137011;1431988610;mircea_popescu;trinque see ? someday, sure.
1137012;1431988628;*;justJanne read that as trinique.see() ? someday : sure
1137013;1431988666;trinque;heh maybe if the last two terms are swapped
1137014;1431988702;mircea_popescu;justJanne https://kuschku.de/frozen/royal-insignia-of-arendelle/ << you made this ?
1137015;1431988762;justJanne;a friend did, but I collected them
1137016;1431988762;justJanne;I didn’t draw them
1137017;1431988762;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/VSjAh04.png << ahaha epic
1137018;1431988822;mircea_popescu;she draws just like a 19yo too.
1137019;1431988822;justJanne;>_>
1137020;1431988822;justJanne;I’m not good at it, k?
1137021;1431988822;mircea_popescu;you're fine.
1137022;1431988824;justJanne;I did sketch this, though: http://i.imgur.com/xCr9iTz.png
1137023;1431988884;mircea_popescu;they do a trick, for frozen cgi, which is very hard to do by hand, where they fold her face in a particular moe pattern. amusingly enough - this is very similar to how pharma works, because it involves searching the space of possible facefolds for something that's not in the uncanny valley and works.
1137024;1431988887;justJanne;I know, I spent 1 year in a dozen frozen fan chats
1137025;1431988897;justJanne;I’ve seen the movie 13 times in cinema >_>
1137026;1431988913;mircea_popescu;is it actually that good ?
1137027;1431988920;mircea_popescu;what is it even, like rapunzel v2.0 ?
1137028;1431988924;mod6;there's ~20 hours you'll never get back
1137029;1431988942;mircea_popescu;dude let the woman have her childhood. i listened to fucking iron maiden!
1137030;1431988948;justJanne;nah, spending one year in those chats, 24/7 is something I’ll never get back.
1137031;1431988951;mod6;haha
1137032;1431988951;trinque;what do you mean "listened"
1137033;1431988968;mircea_popescu;lol. oh, i see, IM is ok, frozen isn't. k. brb.
1137034;1431989015;mircea_popescu;http://www.metalinsider.net/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Iron-Maiden-Seventh-Son-Of-A-Seventh-Son-300x300.jpg << melted.
1137035;1431989076;mircea_popescu;aaaand im now stuck with clairvoyant. well done internets o.O
1137036;1431989232;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136872 << I used to collect flac albums like a decade ago -- surprised to hear it's even still a thing; let alone has official commercial backing
1137037;1431989232;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 22:16:09; justJanne: ben_vulpes: still, compared to all those 9000$ expensive audio cables, or Beats headphones, lossless FLAC has an advantage over 128kbps mp3
1137038;1431989257;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB6JSmYcN2I << goddamn the shredding
1137039;1431989317;justJanne;danielpbarron: it makes sense to have 1400kbps FLAC, as that’s CD quality
1137040;1431989317;trinque;I like how youtube has every damn everything on it, and continues to exist
1137041;1431989317;trinque;meanwhile grooveshark rots on a spike somewhere
1137042;1431989325;trinque;danielpbarron: I once lost like 400gb of flacs
1137043;1431989335;danielpbarron;oh I get the advantages to lossless; I even went out of my way to buy special hardware (fancy headphones and an iPhone-style device with custom firmware)
1137044;1431989338;trinque;the tears
1137045;1431989357;danielpbarron;yeah i lost all my flac files when i forgot i had them on a harddrive i used to make the RAID in my full node
1137046;1431989360;danielpbarron;so it goes..
1137047;1431989361;justJanne;danielpbarron: I have cheap Sennheiser HD 449 headphones and a normal phone, works well enough
1137048;1431989366;trinque;lol yeah I formatted the drive too
1137049;1431989374;trinque;to help some chick upgrade her OS
1137050;1431989382;trinque;that was a lesson
1137051;1431989398;*;kakobrekla still hangs on ~1500 flac albums
1137052;1431989402;danielpbarron;i'm not into music enough to care about these things anymore
1137053;1431989408;justJanne;for some years I had a script that wipes a random harddrive at a random time
1137054;1431989413;justJanne;helps making sure backups work
1137055;1431989416;trinque;man I need a good amount of raging out to metal per day
1137056;1431989431;justJanne;though one day the script wiped the drive itself was on, never found it again
1137057;1431989435;trinque;LOL
1137058;1431989545;justJanne;<insert short rant about ALSA only allowing 44.1kHz and 16-bit audio here>
1137059;1431989641;kakobrekla;speaking of flac and tidal; http://test.tidalhifi.com
1137060;1431989826;mod6;;;bc,stats
1137061;1431989830;gribble;Current Blocks: 357052 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1795 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 15 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49340718499.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.09252
1137062;1431989842;jurov;ls -l
1137063;1431989885;mod6;cannot access #bitcoin-assets: No such file or directory
1137064;1431989929;mircea_popescu;sudo ls -l
1137065;1431990001;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Victoria’s nature. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/18/victorias-nature/
1137066;1431990061;justJanne;mkdir -p #bitcoin-assets && cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc a-zA-Z0-9 > #bitcoin-assets/random
1137067;1431990061;mod6;haha
1137068;1431990137;mircea_popescu;i take that as a personal insult!
1137069;1431990221;mod6;asciilifeform: heh, now these 21 guys are saying they wanna make embeddable mining chips for smart phones.  glwt.  seeing as how they run out of power in like 9 minutes as it is.
1137070;1431990228;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136366 << no mercenaries even this time ?
1137071;1431990228;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 14:52:59; mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/world/middleeast/isis-ramadi-iraq.html Ramadi falls against IS
1137072;1431990237;justJanne;mod6: power is not the issue.
1137073;1431990238;justJanne;heat is.
1137074;1431990256;mircea_popescu;mod6 the entire toaster miner thing was lulzy to begin with, but smartphone coronat opus.
1137075;1431990259;justJanne;your phone will burn through your clothes. And then ignite everything around it, before becoming a blob of molten lava
1137076;1431990273;mircea_popescu;justJanne sounds pretty cool. how much for one ?
1137077;1431990298;justJanne;mircea_popescu: they aren’t for sale yet, but if you want to get a taste, you can buy an AMD GPU
1137078;1431990319;mircea_popescu;heh. bitcoin ran on those for yers you know.
1137079;1431990326;mircea_popescu;some guy even got brain damage from heat stroke
1137080;1431990342;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136369 << or as we like to call this, "he got von flondored"
1137081;1431990342;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 14:59:18; mats: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/16/former-egyptian-president-morsi-sentenced-to-death.html
1137082;1431990369;mircea_popescu;!up btc
1137083;1431990371;mircea_popescu;!up btcg
1137084;1431990377;btcg;thanks
1137085;1431990381;mircea_popescu;aha.
1137086;1431990403;jurov;ben_vulpes: what was the problem with the overlay?
1137087;1431990440;btcg;random question: what do you folks think of the proposed embedded mining from 21?
1137088;1431990466;btcg;i wonder how they'll run a full node, i guess there's the ~1.2 gig pruned node
1137089;1431990475;ben_vulpes;jurov: i don't think i actually understand how they're supposed to work.
1137090;1431990513;btcg;i saw mod6's comment how would a phone support a full node
1137091;1431990519;mats;mircea_popescu: wait six months i guess
1137092;1431990519;ben_vulpes;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Overlay/Local_overlay << i followed this and a few other guides, but failed to get anything that looked like it would let me hack on the diehard source
1137093;1431990579;danielpbarron;btcg, chip doesn't need full node to mine; all chips probably phone home to central node for the next header to work on
1137094;1431990579;trinque;ben_vulpes: if you want to hack best just stick the source in your home directory
1137095;1431990579;mircea_popescu;mats curious if egypt actually goes the way of turkey or mopre like syria
1137096;1431990579;trinque;making an ebuild is more along the lines of packaging up your thing and shipping it
1137097;1431990579;jurov;ben_vulpes: what failed?
1137098;1431990579;mircea_popescu;btcg that it's ridiculous.
1137099;1431990585;btcg;ahh, like electrum heh
1137100;1431990588;trinque;there are a few magical files that need to be inside /usr/local/portage or wherever the overlay may be
1137101;1431990593;mircea_popescu;no. like a fuckable fridge.
1137102;1431990603;mircea_popescu;even admitting you could make this, who in his right mind wants to fuck the food storebox.
1137103;1431990627;jurov;ben_vulpes: but yes, hacking on the source is best in your homedir. only after it compiles there, feed to portage
1137104;1431990652;trinque;mircea_popescu: there's an (american?) phenomenon there where innovating means crapping together however many things that already existed, and calling it something new
1137105;1431990653;mircea_popescu;anyone made homeless linux yet ? where you DON'T get a home dir ?
1137106;1431990661;mircea_popescu;trinque you don't say.
1137107;1431990669;mircea_popescu;"it's like x but for y" ?
1137108;1431990672;jurov;export ROOT=/dev/null
1137109;1431990697;btcg;i was hoping a water heater that pays for itself, by using miner heat, but embeddable chip, if their centralized servers have issue, eeek
1137110;1431990701;trinque;mircea_popescu: seems like what happens to the imitators when there's nothing good to imitate
1137111;1431990716;trinque;re-feeds on itself for a few cycles and there's nothing left
1137112;1431990727;jurov;btcg: if you can synthsize it from ECL chips, no prob
1137113;1431990728;trinque;uber for facebooks
1137114;1431990732;mircea_popescu;btcg you seen the log discussion on this topic ?
1137115;1431990737;ben_vulpes;jurov: more or less getting `emerge` to work with my sources. but...
1137116;1431990743;btcg;ahh, i'll read it thanks
1137117;1431990750;ben_vulpes;<jurov> ben_vulpes: but yes, hacking on the source is best in your homedir. only after it compiles there, feed to portage << this first
1137118;1431990765;btcg;i usually just read it at leisure decided to jump in here
1137119;1431990771;mircea_popescu;btcg do two things. read http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ and then read http://log.bitcoin-assets.com
1137120;1431990892;mircea_popescu;aha.
1137121;1431990892;trinque;ben_vulpes: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Overlay#Manually_setting_overlay_locations << gotta put some files places and configure make.conf
1137122;1431990952;ben_vulpes;blee i did
1137123;1431990952;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-05-2015#1127543 < fpr instance.
1137124;1431990952;assbot;Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
1137125;1431990952;ben_vulpes;also i read ELSEWHERE on the gentoo wiki that PORTDIR_OVERLAY is deprecated
1137126;1431990952;jurov;btcg: and if it is not only gentoo problem, you can skip portage and go annoy upstream
1137127;1431990952;ben_vulpes;so i don't know mang
1137128;1431990952;trinque;deprecated for what
1137129;1431990952;justJanne;trinque: that is very much true @ the apple-strategy argument
1137130;1431990952;mats;mircea_popescu: i'm inclined to believe egypt will follow syria
1137131;1431990952;mircea_popescu;seems safe bet.
1137132;1431990952;trinque;ben_vulpes: god damn it; I smell shitgnoes
1137133;1431990952;trinque;*gnomes
1137134;1431990952;trinque;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Sync << they're adding "plugins"
1137135;1431991012;ben_vulpes;nigga iono
1137136;1431991012;trinque;fuck it all; everyone has to bolt a dick massager to everything
1137137;1431991012;ben_vulpes;some "overlay for morons" gentoo wiki page
1137138;1431991012;btcg;jurov apologies i am not on gentoo sir
1137139;1431991012;ben_vulpes;https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Overlay/Local_overlay << "Note: The old method of setting the 'PORTDIR_OVERLAY' variable in make.conf is deprecated and should not be used."
1137140;1431991072;jurov;btcg sry it was to ben
1137141;1431991072;mircea_popescu;trinque:--std=c99 kicks on __STRICT_ANSI__ which affects whether __USE_MISC is defined in features.h << such a great explanation of wtf is wrong with all this shit.
1137142;1431991072;trinque;justJanne: it's the whole socialist world's strategy
1137143;1431991072;trinque;with scare quotes
1137144;1431991072;trinque;best stated by mircea_popescu re: reproduce until there isn't anything extra, then divide it all until dead
1137145;1431991072;mircea_popescu;naggum.
1137146;1431991072;justJanne;trinque: it makes me especially angry when this is combined with programmers who call themselves "engineers", but whose products stop working after just a decade
1137147;1431991072;trinque;ah that was his?
1137148;1431991072;mircea_popescu;yup.
1137149;1431991072;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i happen to believe it is actually the correct strategy,
1137150;1431991072;mircea_popescu;just, correct from a game theoretic perspective of genetics, not of individual humans.
1137151;1431991072;trinque;it's what animal populations do right? boom and bust
1137152;1431991072;trinque;justJanne: the problem there is economic; why give a shit what happens next year? we'll all be dead
1137153;1431991087;justJanne;trinque: that’s one issue, sadly.
1137154;1431991093;justJanne;in the past years, technology got worse
1137155;1431991116;justJanne;microwave from 1980 still works, TV from '96 as well, PC from '98 is still in use.
1137156;1431991120;justJanne;but phone from 2007 is EOL
1137157;1431991131;mircea_popescu;actually, glengarry moss had that one right : http://trilema.com/2014/weak-sauce/#selection-765.0-767.186
1137158;1431991344;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136459 << i agree, this is one of the better derivative works to be had on the basis of the phuctor results.
1137159;1431991344;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 18:57:06; Apocalyptic: (the full factoring is interesting because it's the only way to compute the private exponent d)
1137160;1431991350;ben_vulpes;<justJanne> your phone will burn through your clothes. And then ignite everything around it, before becoming a blob of molten lava << israelis came up with this one iirc
1137161;1431991359;mircea_popescu;fully investigate the keys in question, cornerstone of which is, get d.
1137162;1431991505;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard holy shiot wtf is that.
1137163;1431991598;mircea_popescu;!up ko__
1137164;1431991735;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/18/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-idUSKBN0O20M020150518 "U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said it was a "target of opportunity," that could be retaken in a matter of days, and U.S. officials insisted there would be no change in strategy despite a failure to make major advances against Islamic State."
1137165;1431991795;trinque;does seem like if anything coherent is intended at all, it's to provoke a larger regional war
1137166;1431991829;trinque;oh the irony that would be if someday the middle east is united in its hatred for the united states
1137167;1431991833;mircea_popescu;such vietnam
1137168;1431991974;mircea_popescu;to streamline administration ~~~and deregulate power to lower levels~~~
1137169;1431991982;mircea_popescu;china will be un-fucking-stoppable.
1137170;1431992072;trinque;http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/18/c_134248403.htm << that'n eh?
1137171;1431992132;trinque;sounds like they're going to put the fork in the dollar
1137172;1431992139;mircea_popescu;if they implement even halfway...
1137173;1431992275;justJanne;meh.
1137174;1431992294;justJanne;the US is financing the saudi’s, who sell ISIS weapons, so technically the US is financing ISIS anyway
1137175;1431992319;trinque;I think the Saudi's deserve some credit for the swindle there
1137176;1431992330;mircea_popescu;"your dad brought you clothes, which you traded for drugs, so technically your dad bought you drugs"
1137177;1431992355;justJanne;if the dad still gives you clothes, even though he knows what you’re doing...
1137178;1431992383;justJanne;and the US is also selling weapons to the saudis directly, which they sold directly to ISIS
1137179;1431992548;trinque;probably some faction of bastards in the US is actually aware of this, and others are not
1137180;1431992575;trinque;there's not one coherent "they" to consider in regards to the country
1137181;1431992588;justJanne;yeah, it’s not something the population can do anything against. it’s just inevitable with 2 parties that are both quite corrupt
1137182;1431992605;justJanne;not that Germany would be better, with people like Gerhard Schröder >_>
1137183;1431992645;mircea_popescu;is he bad ?
1137184;1431992725;justJanne;He was a German chancellor in the social democrats party who reduced welfare spending, removed any kind of minimum wage ideas, added laws for some businesses, and changed several laws so that Gazprom could build a pipeline.
1137185;1431992741;justJanne;the day after his time as chancellor ended, he got a job at Gazprom
1137186;1431992757;justJanne;this guy betrayed everyone who voted for thim, and the rest of Germany, too
1137187;1431992758;mircea_popescu;seems like they're all splendid ideas ?
1137188;1431992800;justJanne;nope. Reducing unemployment money, removing minimum wage, etc is definitely not "good"
1137189;1431992805;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1137190;1431992819;justJanne;because everyone should have equal chances
1137191;1431992825;mircea_popescu;why ?
1137192;1431992836;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137062 lmao i have only now noticed
1137193;1431992836;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 22:57:22; jurov: ls -l
1137194;1431992841;justJanne;because no one should have a disadvantage from choices they didn’t make.
1137195;1431992847;mircea_popescu;so ?
1137196;1431992856;justJanne;just because your parents are poor doesn’t mean you should have worse chances in life
1137197;1431992862;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1137198;1431992869;justJanne;because you aren’t responsible
1137199;1431992891;mircea_popescu;of course you are. you work hard and save to give your kids a better chance.
1137200;1431992895;justJanne;do you want to punish people for stuff they didn’t do, choices they didn’t make?
1137201;1431992903;mircea_popescu;you don't expect every kids have equal chances, because that removes any incentive for you to do anything.
1137202;1431992906;mircea_popescu;just float around.
1137203;1431992911;justJanne;no, it doesn’t.
1137204;1431992919;justJanne;nowadays we have basic income here even.
1137205;1431992922;justJanne;people still work.
1137206;1431992922;mircea_popescu;i punish people for what they are rather than what they want to be all the time.
1137207;1431992930;mircea_popescu;heck, my whole life's built around this principle.
1137208;1431992939;justJanne;then you might want to rethink your life.
1137209;1431992946;mircea_popescu;one of us, at any rate.
1137210;1431992966;justJanne;let’s say it like this, not even the literal nazis had such a right-wing idea about society. And they are nazis.
1137211;1431992977;mircea_popescu;i know.
1137212;1431992988;mircea_popescu;admittedly, i'm more like a 1700s mind.
1137213;1431992996;justJanne;anyway, it works here.
1137214;1431993002;mircea_popescu;to me, the difference between soviets and nazis is nil : both were socialists.
1137215;1431993023;mircea_popescu;no, it doesn't. that's the fallacy of "we can't compare to any alternatives, as thery don't exist - so it works fine!!1"
1137216;1431993026;mircea_popescu;ever read candide ?
1137217;1431993029;justJanne;like 90% of all firemen here, for example, work for free. volunteers. No pay, nothing. They risk their lives for nothing, while still having a normal job at the same time.
1137218;1431993052;trinque;why should they not be paid for dangerous work?
1137219;1431993062;justJanne;because they are volunteers.
1137220;1431993064;mircea_popescu;moreover, why is some people's preference a basis for law ?
1137221;1431993074;mircea_popescu;let those firemen do whatever the fuck they please and pay me.
1137222;1431993078;justJanne;the idea is: if society is well enough,
1137223;1431993084;justJanne;then people will work literally for free,
1137224;1431993089;mircea_popescu;society is about as meaningful a concept as baby jesus.
1137225;1431993089;justJanne;just to provide a benefit for everyone
1137226;1431993104;mircea_popescu;and yes, people behave stupidly all the time
1137227;1431993108;mircea_popescu;this is no valid argument.
1137228;1431993109;justJanne;it’s not stupid.
1137229;1431993113;mircea_popescu;says who ?
1137230;1431993142;justJanne;everyone?
1137231;1431993147;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
1137232;1431993159;justJanne;obviously it works well in the countries with the highest standard of living –
1137233;1431993166;mircea_popescu;(and here we go again, The Narrative is fragile)
1137234;1431993167;justJanne;all across scandinavia and central europe
1137235;1431993175;mircea_popescu;no, it works absolutely nowhere.
1137236;1431993187;mircea_popescu;just, some people are momentarily insulated from the effects of their stupidity.
1137237;1431993198;justJanne;No.
1137238;1431993201;mircea_popescu;just like - unprotected sex works fine "in those places where syplhilis hasn't appeared yet".
1137239;1431993210;mircea_popescu;sure. won't last. by the very nature of what unprotected sex is, it won't last.
1137240;1431993212;justJanne;that’s not the thing.
1137241;1431993224;justJanne;this system of society has lasted for centuries
1137242;1431993235;mircea_popescu;nope. it's barely five decades old, and already cracking.
1137243;1431993236;justJanne;the volunteering fire brigade system has existed since the 1400s
1137244;1431993244;mircea_popescu;ah, that. again :  let those firemen do whatever the fuck they please and pay me.
1137245;1431993266;justJanne;the consumer cooperatives operating non-profit chains of grocery stores have also existed since the 1800s
1137246;1431993288;mircea_popescu;and necrophillic pedophillia has existed since 50`000 years ago.
1137247;1431993292;mircea_popescu;so what of it ?
1137248;1431993315;justJanne;It’s obviously more stable than the economical system plagued of bubble bursts that is existing at Wall Street nowadays
1137249;1431993333;mircea_popescu;the system you discuss IS the other system you discuss.
1137250;1431993340;mircea_popescu;there's no difference there, just a meaningless distinction.
1137251;1431993342;justJanne;no.
1137252;1431993379;mircea_popescu;well, if you manage to survive emotionally, your stay in #b-a is bound to be instructive.
1137253;1431993385;justJanne;the first system I discuss in scandinavia or central europe is a place where 60% of the companies have existed for centuries, have long term neither profit nor losses, and no growth
1137254;1431993400;justJanne;which isn’t really necessary
1137255;1431993408;justJanne;tbh, it’s the only really sustainable way
1137256;1431993454;trinque;sounds like an environment where it'd be difficult to get anything new started
1137257;1431993474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00027982 = 15.0403 BTC [+] {2} 
1137258;1431993474;justJanne;not really. There are many startups here, actually.
1137259;1431993496;justJanne;the thing is that most of these don’t aim for a huge profit,
1137260;1431993510;justJanne;but aim for slow growth and a sustainable profit.
1137261;1431993519;trinque;oh youngin
1137262;1431993544;justJanne;yes, that actually works.
1137263;1431993558;justJanne;you don’t need to aim for 1 billion users with your 5 people startup to be sustainable
1137264;1431993566;trinque;you'll get no argument from me on that
1137265;1431993577;trinque;but that is not tantamount to saying "therefore social democracy"
1137266;1431993581;trinque;not even close
1137267;1431993587;justJanne;ofc nto.
1137268;1431993588;justJanne;not
1137269;1431993594;justJanne;we are at a completely different point now
1137270;1431993598;justJanne;sadly.
1137271;1431993620;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO5ectGTcOU justJanne: the "sustained" was just your luck that usg needed to prop you up
1137272;1431993680;trinque;if we presuppose that the only way to start a business will be having someone bankroll you, we're already lost
1137273;1431993680;trinque;central planning has limitations which will mean that you get far fewer "startups"
1137274;1431993680;justJanne;trinque: that is socialism
1137275;1431993680;justJanne;not social democracy
1137276;1431993680;justJanne;social democracy consists of a social market:
1137277;1431993680;trinque;justJanne: you just misunderstand my definition of central planning
1137278;1431993689;justJanne;essentially a free market, but with 50% taxes and basic income
1137279;1431993707;trinque;uh huh and who determined those are the magic numbers?
1137280;1431993732;trinque;give me a low cost of living and don't tax the shit out of me and I'll start all kinds of businesses
1137281;1431993732;justJanne;the people? that’s why you have (a) elections and (b) public polls on them?
1137282;1431993754;justJanne;we have a party that aims for that.
1137283;1431993758;trinque;determining that 50% taxes is the magic number is not soviet because "the people"
1137284;1431993764;justJanne;they got less than 4% of the votes last election
1137285;1431993794;danielpbarron;the people are stupid
1137286;1431993810;justJanne;no. they just know that one day they might lose their job,
1137287;1431993818;trinque;danielpbarron: heh I always like "surgery by your peers" as a thought experiment
1137288;1431993821;justJanne;and that it is preferable to be safe over having high returns
1137289;1431993833;trinque;justJanne: you are completely ignoring the financial considerations involved
1137290;1431993840;trinque;and substituting "consent" for that
1137291;1431993869;justJanne;trinque: you get all those 50% taxes back to you. In free child daycare, free healthcare, etc.
1137292;1431993870;danielpbarron;high returns is a safeguard against starving when you lose your job; it leads to savings
1137293;1431993883;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Morphine yeast seems like a bigger blow to the fiat order than 3D guns and shovel AK's for sure
1137294;1431993902;justJanne;danielpbarron: unless you lose it all, and have no money and are starving
1137295;1431993906;trinque;danielpbarron: and results in a person that can *make decisions*
1137296;1431993914;trinque;justJanne: then you made bad decisions
1137297;1431993917;trinque;or someone else did
1137298;1431993922;justJanne;yes.
1137299;1431993934;justJanne;but society is there to save you from the consequences of bad decisions ;P
1137300;1431993935;trinque;so how did I get involved in that?
1137301;1431993946;danielpbarron;why should someone who is prone to "lose it all" be propped up by his more productive neighbors?
1137302;1431993950;justJanne;especially when you aren’t responsible
1137303;1431993950;trinque;justJanne: so out of this bundle of bad decisons how do good ones emerge?
1137304;1431993975;trinque;danielpbarron: because govt is the new god and he can save us from even death
1137305;1431993978;trinque;or she, I guess these days
1137306;1431993997;justJanne;danielpbarron: because they have a chance to work later on again?
1137307;1431994017;danielpbarron;this notion that you can be born "not responsible" is the false axiom from which you base further positions
1137308;1431994018;justJanne;it is more profitable, for example, to put criminals into a trade school and let them work again than to put them into a prison
1137309;1431994035;mats;why should society save you from yourself? that's not sustainable in the least.
1137310;1431994042;trinque;justJanne: you cannot assert such things absent the financial considerations
1137311;1431994085;trinque;we can imagine all sorts of ideal scenarios if we're free to disregard parts of reality we don't like
1137312;1431994094;jurov;yeah, it is actually true providing shelter to homeless is cheaper than let them die and dispose of properly
1137313;1431994096;justJanne;so, in your minds, the Comcast/ATT/Verizon oligopol is good?
1137314;1431994128;mats;oligopolies are not inherently evil, you know.
1137315;1431994128;trinque;justJanne: what keeps them from being outcompeted?
1137316;1431994130;danielpbarron;justJanne, your society is a prison; that is, the one in which there is no individual and only the considerations of the lowest common denominator
1137317;1431994139;trinque;too much noise; one point at a time.
1137318;1431994141;justJanne;trinque: cost.
1137319;1431994146;trinque;incorrect
1137320;1431994151;justJanne;the starting cost is extreme.
1137321;1431994167;justJanne;and the oligopols lobby corrupt politicians, too
1137322;1431994173;trinque;justJanne: are you familiar with "regulatory capture"
1137323;1431994182;trinque;sure cost but what makes it expensive
1137324;1431994188;justJanne;and yes, mats, in my opinion all monopolies or oligopolies are inherently evil
1137325;1431994195;trinque;but not governments
1137326;1431994199;mats;justJanne: because "its not fair"?
1137327;1431994201;trinque;the largest of them
1137328;1431994204;justJanne;mats: yes.
1137329;1431994210;mats;because everyone should get a shot at being a telecoms company!
1137330;1431994226;justJanne;mats: yes, but you have to ask the question different.
1137331;1431994229;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137291 <<< i wouldn't send my dog to free childcare let alone my actually son
1137332;1431994229;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 00:04:29; justJanne: trinque: you get all those 50% taxes back to you. In free child daycare, free healthcare, etc.
1137333;1431994238;mats;sign me up. i don't know shit, but i can carry a gun. am i qualified?
1137334;1431994253;mats;could do, like, perimeter security for a base station.
1137335;1431994253;justJanne;mats: yes. my ISP I use right now is 5 geeks in a basement.
1137336;1431994259;justJanne;I get 100/40mbps for 10$ a monht
1137337;1431994265;justJanne;and they are profitable
1137338;1431994266;cazalla;you might pay $100 to them in tax but you sure as fuck don't get back $100 worth of childcare when it's free
1137339;1431994268;trinque;try doing radio experiments in your garage and see how long it takes for the FCC to show up
1137340;1431994270;mod6;asciilifeform: thx for posting the werker
1137341;1431994295;justJanne;cazalla: you haven’ŧ seen childcare here, I have – I was in it just 13 years ago ;P
1137342;1431994303;cazalla;it shows
1137343;1431994312;jurov;cazalla: so you'll pay $1000 for childcare instead?
1137344;1431994315;mats;justJanne: b-but don't you believe in freedom?
1137345;1431994338;mats;its entirely possible that monopolies, oligopolies will naturally arise in conditions of voluntary trade
1137346;1431994340;justJanne;mats: your freedom ends where the freedom of the others begins
1137347;1431994351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91076 @ 0.0002709 = 24.6725 BTC [-] {4} 
1137348;1431994351;mats;and you want, what, a coalition of retards (e.g. bureaucrats and commoners) to manage allocation of capital?
1137349;1431994357;justJanne;no.
1137350;1431994374;mats;but you'd bust that up, if you ran things.
1137351;1431994382;justJanne;no.
1137352;1431994389;justJanne;the current situation is ideal.
1137353;1431994391;mats;but they're evil. you must fight evil.
1137354;1431994398;justJanne;neither side is evil.
1137355;1431994402;justJanne;only sith deal in absolutes
1137356;1431994410;danielpbarron;what is the current situation?
1137357;1431994411;hanbot;except monopolies?
1137358;1431994423;trinque;danielpbarron: social democracy
1137359;1431994436;justJanne;monopolies aren’t really "evil", they just develop out of greed
1137360;1431994443;hanbot;butr you said...
1137361;1431994465;justJanne;the issue with monopolies is that the companies behind it try to do everything in their mind to avoid competition.
1137362;1431994469;justJanne;which is inherently evil
1137363;1431994476;trinque;justJanne: you find me a "monopoly" in history that didn't have govt protection
1137364;1431994476;justJanne;and rarely monopolies every arise without this
1137365;1431994486;justJanne;trinque: Google on the search market
1137366;1431994488;hanbot;how about jealous wives?
1137367;1431994491;trinque;justJanne: fucking lol
1137368;1431994496;trinque;you have no idea what a monopoly is
1137369;1431994500;cazalla;jurov, nope, i'm anti-childcare, kids should be home with their parents, not strangers and other swine
1137370;1431994501;trinque;it's not "oh no they're winning"
1137371;1431994507;danielpbarron;she has no idea what "evil" is
1137372;1431994517;mats;the point of being a business is to brutally murder your competition. there's no avoidance going on.
1137373;1431994528;cazalla;my point was more that the idea that you get back what you pay in taxes by way of free healthcare and childcare is retarded
1137374;1431994540;mats;it just happens that the moat is too high for joe commoner to cross.
1137375;1431994541;jurov;cazalla: the $1000 figure stays even more so if you're to stay home
1137376;1431994565;jurov;and if you pay your own doctor
1137377;1431994568;jurov;own teacher
1137378;1431994570;jurov;etc...
1137379;1431994578;danielpbarron;cazalla, it's practically a mathematical proof : the further detached money gets from the person it is meant to benefit, the less efficiently it will be spent
1137380;1431994597;justJanne;that’s why politicians are supposed to be normal people.
1137381;1431994606;justJanne;my state’s governor uses the same bus as me every morning
1137382;1431994611;danielpbarron;and i'm supposed to have a flying car already
1137383;1431994614;cazalla;jurov, i would if i could, but i can't afford my own doctor.. i can afford to keep kid out of childcare
1137384;1431994617;trinque;justJanne: many of the phrases you use are propaganda terms with no well defined meaning
1137385;1431994621;trinque;"normal people" among them
1137386;1431994638;justJanne;trinque: I am talking about "anyone can become politician"
1137387;1431994643;cazalla;if you're gonna put your kids in childcare, ya may as well just kill em now and save yourself years of pain
1137388;1431994653;trinque;justJanne: and derpy uncle Biden rode amtrak
1137389;1431994660;jurov;and you trinque cazalla danielpbarron are talking about some ideal you can't afford anyway
1137390;1431994660;trinque;so what
1137391;1431994667;trinque;jurov: eh?
1137392;1431994672;danielpbarron;i don't want to live in your socialist hell-hole where every man rides the same urine-smelling bus no matter how productive he is
1137393;1431994676;trinque;jurov: if I had a kid right now I'd be able to pay for it just fine
1137394;1431994686;justJanne;danielpbarron: it’s not urine-smelling, lol.
1137395;1431994691;danielpbarron;yet..
1137396;1431994710;justJanne;even the 10yo busses aren’t.
1137397;1431994715;jurov;danielpbarron: go on
1137398;1431994716;justJanne;because people don’t do that.
1137399;1431994721;trinque;issue isn't the smell of piss
1137400;1431994727;jurov;danielpbarron: how we live in north korea
1137401;1431994767;trinque;justJanne: the issue is your assumption that you have call to involve yourself in my affairs
1137402;1431994771;trinque;as this aggregate "the people"
1137403;1431994775;trinque;I say come and take it.
1137404;1431994784;justJanne;Ah, the english article for "social democracy" is actually wrong
1137405;1431994788;*;trinque departs for now
1137406;1431994791;justJanne;please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model instead
1137407;1431994851;justJanne;that’s what I’m referring to
1137408;1431994851;trinque;I will, bbl
1137409;1431994851;danielpbarron;whatever you're referring to, the monstrosity has 50% tax rate!
1137410;1431994851;justJanne;44% here right now.
1137411;1431994853;danielpbarron;disgusting
1137412;1431994855;justJanne;and that’s including insurance
1137413;1431994857;trinque;shit it's effectively 50 in the states too
1137414;1431994859;trinque;danielpbarron: ^
1137415;1431994862;justJanne;and life savings
1137416;1431994866;justJanne;and retirement funds
1137417;1431994871;jurov;danielpbarron: you will get separated from your money either way
1137418;1431994874;trinque;and that's not counting the yearly evaporation of weath through currency debasement
1137419;1431994874;danielpbarron;what do you mean it includes life savings?
1137420;1431994880;justJanne;retirement funds, sorry
1137421;1431994885;justJanne;translation is hard ;P
1137422;1431994891;trinque;danielpbarron: people can't think for themselves and store away for the future
1137423;1431994893;cazalla;justJanne, ya know what shit won't be there when you're older, right?
1137424;1431994903;danielpbarron;right but how does it include that if it's taxes? the government forces you to have a savings plan?
1137425;1431994910;trinque;so you just breed an irresponsible generation of fools and somehow those same fools don't inhabit the govt and make sure everyone has savings
1137426;1431994913;justJanne;kinda, but not.
1137427;1431994922;*;trinque pulls himself away
1137428;1431994925;mats;i get that you grew up in a soft place, and believe all folks deserve a fair shot at doing whatever it is they feel
1137429;1431994940;mats;its a beautiful notion. its also not going to happen unless we go post-scarcity, upon which we will revisit the whole thing
1137430;1431994956;danielpbarron;except it's a very specific shot as per what the normal people voted on
1137431;1431994961;justJanne;there are some laws: (a) every insurance has to provide a basic plan for the same price, (b) everyone has to have at least this plan, or more
1137432;1431994963;mats;'star trek' is a hell for some folks.
1137433;1431994978;trinque;I'll prefer my firefly class vessel thank you
1137434;1431994992;mats;yer a leaf on the wind
1137435;1431994995;jurov;justJanne: do you know what this nordic model did to one Eric Naggum?
1137436;1431995006;justJanne;mats: Star Trek is heaven, and an amazing solution. Although I’m thinking DS9 Star Trek, not TOS Star Trek
1137437;1431995006;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1137438;1431995018;mats;'solution'
1137439;1431995018;trinque;mats: goddamn when jayne tears up over his very own riot
1137440;1431995024;trinque;best tv there ever was
1137441;1431995031;mats;replace with fantasy, man.
1137442;1431995053;justJanne;mats: DS9-Star Trek is pretty much real.
1137443;1431995053;danielpbarron;no wonder you think this can work; you saw it work on TV!
1137444;1431995066;mats;trinque: its good stuff, i've watched every ep prob a half dozen times
1137445;1431995072;justJanne;with a combination of free trade (think Quark), and basic life enough for everyone
1137446;1431995077;danielpbarron;you know star trek is a work of fiction, right? those were all a bunch of professional liars
1137447;1431995090;justJanne;yes, ofc.
1137448;1431995097;danielpbarron;i don't think you fully grasp that
1137449;1431995097;mats;you want free trade, but no monopolies or oligopolies.
1137450;1431995106;justJanne;although, tbh, when watching politicians speak, you ask yourself who is the larger liar
1137451;1431995121;danielpbarron;you're the one advocating for politicians
1137452;1431995124;justJanne;mats: yes.
1137453;1431995132;justJanne;read the nordic model again ;P
1137454;1431995156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027017 = 8.0781 BTC [-]
1137455;1431995158;mats;nordic model works because you live in a universe that appears utterly detached from economic reality
1137456;1431995160;justJanne;the idea is that you have basic life just enough for everyone available,
1137457;1431995164;jurov;danielpbarron: so you get to keep all your money, i ask again?
1137458;1431995175;justJanne;and then you have a highly competitive, almost unrestricted market for the rest
1137459;1431995181;danielpbarron;what money?
1137460;1431995190;mats;because, well, benefits of superior geography.
1137461;1431995218;jurov;danielpbarron: since you so hate taxes
1137462;1431995224;mats;where the fuck are you going to raise capital for basic income in somalia?
1137463;1431995243;jurov;mats leave that to billg
1137464;1431995256;mats;somalia's not so different from the rest of the world. quite a bit ahead of its time, really
1137465;1431995256;danielpbarron;justJanne, people who fall on hard times should be compelled into slavery by their more productive neighbors; they should not get to treat the whole community like their undeserved slave
1137466;1431995281;danielpbarron;jurov, all but 0.1% of it :p
1137467;1431995281;justJanne;you misuse the word "community"
1137468;1431995297;justJanne;you can only live, and work, because of the people around you
1137469;1431995310;mats;shall we talk about monopolies that benefit the commoners?
1137470;1431995313;justJanne;and the same way the other way round
1137471;1431995322;danielpbarron;no, I can work and live despite the people around me
1137472;1431995336;justJanne;ah, the good old "I can live in a cave" defense
1137473;1431995372;justJanne;I wonder how you’d do without the people taking away your trash, the people putting out the fires, the people cleaning your streets
1137474;1431995386;danielpbarron;there wouldn't be streets if it were just me
1137475;1431995397;danielpbarron;the situation would be so entirely different as to be impossible to compare
1137476;1431995415;mats;lets use the US Postal Service as a model. something like 200 junk mailers are responsible for pumping $billions into the thing, and they pay a pretty penny to be able to shit in your box at commercial rates (in US, cost of letter is $0.49 -- junk mailers pay 5x that)
1137477;1431995447;justJanne;let’s talk about different, benefitial monopolies.
1137478;1431995470;mats;without junk mailers, we'd be paying several dollars apiece just to send letters. DHL, FedEx, ... simply couldn't exist without the USPS in USA
1137479;1431995478;justJanne;nah, not really.
1137480;1431995480;mats;because they are responsible for last mile delivery in many cases.
1137481;1431995485;mats;yes, absolutely really.
1137482;1431995488;justJanne;DHL makes most of its profit in one single place.
1137483;1431995504;justJanne;in the place where Deutsche Post DHL has its main business:
1137484;1431995511;justJanne;parcel and delivery service in Europe
1137485;1431995530;justJanne;yes, they can transport a package for 20$ across the continent over night, and make a profit.
1137486;1431995547;justJanne;sadly, the workers make nothing more than basic income from it
1137487;1431995584;danielpbarron;sadly? why is that sad?
1137488;1431995605;jurov;yes, raise minimal wages, fire everyone, replace with machines
1137489;1431995614;justJanne;no,
1137490;1431995632;justJanne;it is sad because under your assumptions those people shouldn’t work at all
1137491;1431995646;justJanne;they make no more money,
1137492;1431995650;justJanne;and spend their time!
1137493;1431995665;mats;this is exactly how it is in the US.
1137494;1431995685;justJanne;Then why do they still work?
1137495;1431995691;mats;they don't.
1137496;1431995700;mats;~8mn draw supplementary security income, for example.
1137497;1431995723;mats;folks in various programs draw $300-600/mo in govt kindness, and being worthless as they are,
1137498;1431995725;justJanne;So, it's better to provide straight out subsidies than to have minimum wage?
1137499;1431995751;justJanne;A minimum wage might encourage the company to actually be more efficient.
1137500;1431995775;mats;would rather take it than work at McDonalds for just shy of a thousand bux a month
1137501;1431995813;mats;subsidies AND minimum wages are a shit idea.
1137502;1431995821;mats;you follow? let the market set the conditions.
1137503;1431995827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00026941 = 21.4181 BTC [-]
1137504;1431995871;justJanne;Minimum wage doesn't hurt the market.
1137505;1431995878;danielpbarron;justJanne, a minimum wage prices the cheap labor out of the market (the company will prefer not to hire them at all)
1137506;1431995888;justJanne;Yes.
1137507;1431995907;mats;you're high if you think setting a price floor in a market doesn't unduly affect market conditions
1137508;1431995912;danielpbarron;so instead of making [not enough money], they will make 0.
1137509;1431995954;mats;its time to give up the childish fantasies and carefully reexamine your beliefs
1137510;1431995973;jurov;And high rents and other life costs  won't "unduly affect market conditions"?
1137511;1431995981;jurov;Pls explain
1137512;1431995992;*;BingoBoingo still imagining tumblr folk brewing their own Laudnum. If opiate abuse is already straining the fiat world so...
1137513;1431996006;justJanne;The median German pays less money for health care than the median US person.
1137514;1431996012;justJanne;You pay more. And get less.
1137515;1431996018;justJanne;You have higher taxes,
1137516;1431996025;justJanne;And less free education or healthcare.
1137517;1431996038;justJanne;and less welfare.
1137518;1431996050;danielpbarron;i don't think anyone here is taking the side that the U.S. is a good example of how things should be
1137519;1431996068;justJanne;It's not a childish fantasy of it's the currently best working system.
1137520;1431996078;justJanne;If you want total anarchy, go to somalia, they live it.
1137521;1431996113;BingoBoingo;Nah, go to Ferguson. They have community solidarity!!!
1137522;1431996114;danielpbarron;it's a population that is still only a couple generations off from having the crap kicked out of it
1137523;1431996119;justJanne;And if you break your leg and can't work for a month, you starve to death.
1137524;1431996120;mats;jurov: you addressing me there with the quote?
1137525;1431996134;jurov;mats, yes
1137526;1431996150;danielpbarron;justJanne, I'm all for keeping people alive that would have otherwise starved to death. They just gotta be humbled by the experience; they aren't entitled to the help.
1137527;1431996173;justJanne;They are.
1137528;1431996182;justJanne;Because they played before 59% taxes for others.
1137529;1431996192;justJanne;*50%
1137530;1431996199;mats;jurov: i don't follow. so, because rent is high, folks should get a min wage/basic income
1137531;1431996237;jurov;no mats. i'm saying you're going to be separated from your money either way
1137532;1431996246;danielpbarron;justJanne, the point being, there are more solutions besides "let starve to death" and "steal from everyone to keep them alive"
1137533;1431996247;jurov;so it does not make sense to argue either way
1137534;1431996262;justJanne;danielpbarron: it's not stealing.
1137535;1431996279;justJanne;If you want, you can move to Togo, or Monsanto City, or the Bahamas.
1137536;1431996300;justJanne;And, as you stated, you deserve to be punished for being born here.
1137537;1431996305;mats;it does matter, because govt involvement destroys price efficiency
1137538;1431996336;justJanne;Not really true, either.
1137539;1431996346;justJanne;It is often true,
1137540;1431996347;mats;cost of living being high or wutever is immaterial, i think.
1137541;1431996350;justJanne;But not necessary.
1137542;1431996364;jurov;mats, you're not the first nor last fantsaizing of system without "govt involvement"
1137543;1431996378;justJanne;Reminds me of Deutsche Bahn. A large railway company. Everything was fine, perfectly on time, cheap, profitable.
1137544;1431996381;jurov;somehow, nothign came out of that
1137545;1431996390;BingoBoingo;Eh, Monsanto's no so bad. The only problem with glyphosate is it doesn't always kill plants dead enough.
1137546;1431996396;justJanne;Then they went to stock market and became a private company.
1137547;1431996418;justJanne;Now Deutsche Bahn is slow, never on time, expensive, and not much more profitable either.
1137548;1431996482;justJanne;Every. Single. Time. A governmentally owned institution got sold to a US investor they either closed down 2 days later, became shit, or just expensive.
1137549;1431996492;justJanne;Every. Time.
1137550;1431996505;mats;i recommend a stint as a govt employee
1137551;1431996507;jurov;justJanne: it was govt involvement, dotcha know? :DDDD
1137552;1431996524;danielpbarron;i think the key words in that story are "US investor"
1137553;1431996543;justJanne;I don't care if the government owns the trains, as long as they are 100% on time, cheap, and fast.
1137554;1431996585;danielpbarron;even if they are sometimes used to haul off political dissidents?
1137555;1431996607;justJanne;That is not a part of the discussion.
1137556;1431996640;jurov;lol, as if private enterprises never hauled political dissidents
1137557;1431996642;justJanne;If the government rents a train for that (like Hitler did, the companies profited heavily) or if they own them (like the GDR did), changes nothing.
1137558;1431996697;justJanne;But a governmental monopoly is always better than a private monopoly.
1137559;1431996744;jurov;that's very bad statement
1137560;1431996755;justJanne;Not really.
1137561;1431996760;danielpbarron;that can't be true, and only appears to be because you use the united states as your example of the alternative
1137562;1431996762;jurov;i have personal memories of govt monopolies in czechoslovakia
1137563;1431996787;justJanne;And? Were they replaced by private competition or a private monopoly?
1137564;1431996821;jurov;depends, some. but the is not the problem
1137565;1431996832;justJanne;Assuming no corruption,
1137566;1431996861;jurov;when everything is govt monopoly people who need autonomy, mastery and purpose suffer badly
1137567;1431996862;justJanne;The private monopoly will have an incentive to provide the worst service possible, at the highest possible price.
1137568;1431996877;justJanne;Yes.
1137569;1431996898;justJanne;Most of the things need to be a competition, others need to be nonprofit monopolies.
1137570;1431996920;danielpbarron;what's so bad about "the worst service possible" anyway ?
1137571;1431996921;justJanne;Like the railway tracks, those can be nonprofit monopolies, while dozens of rail operators can rent them.
1137572;1431996930;justJanne;danielpbarron: because that's shit?
1137573;1431996955;justJanne;You want trains that operate every 20 minutes, at 240km/h, for 19€ across Europe,
1137574;1431996957;danielpbarron;no, your totalitiarian government that forces me to raise my kids the normal way is what's bad
1137575;1431996963;justJanne;Not shitty stuff.
1137576;1431996984;justJanne;danielpbarron: you aren't forced to. You can also raise your children at home, ofc.
1137577;1431996987;justJanne;At full pay.
1137578;1431996991;mike_c; <+justJanne> Assuming no corruption, << this is where we enter star trek land?
1137579;1431997008;justJanne;mike_c: kinda. But corruption makes discussion always useless.
1137580;1431997014;mike_c;exactly
1137581;1431997027;justJanne;Especially as the amount of corruption is very different on where you are, and when.
1137582;1431997111;justJanne;But again, the idea of the Nordic model is huge personal freedom, at the same time a stable society that provides a great basis for everyone.
1137583;1431997129;justJanne;And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US.
1137584;1431997145;justJanne;Yes, somalia has more personal freedom, but again, try living there.
1137585;1431997151;danielpbarron;you keep comparing your thing to the US
1137586;1431997173;justJanne;Because the US is a reference point as worst case civilized country.
1137587;1431997199;danielpbarron;shouldn't you compare your thing to my thing? (the thing i'm proposing)
1137588;1431997211;justJanne;So, perfect free anarchy?
1137589;1431997219;justJanne;Can you provide a real life example?
1137590;1431997220;danielpbarron;The Most Serene Republic
1137591;1431997236;danielpbarron;this channel is the example
1137592;1431997239;justJanne;We don't accept fictional systems here, only ones that exist in reality.
1137593;1431997247;justJanne;For this discussion.
1137594;1431997263;danielpbarron;that's rich coming from a trekkie
1137595;1431997266;justJanne;As everyone can claim their model would work.
1137596;1431997277;BingoBoingo;To be fair Corruption is what makes the world go round
1137597;1431997291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00026779 = 7.0964 BTC [-] {2} 
1137598;1431997322;danielpbarron;justJanne, your model works for as long as there is fiat money to manipulate
1137599;1431997330;danielpbarron;which isn't for very much longer
1137600;1431997331;justJanne;Not necessarily.
1137601;1431997343;justJanne;The Nordic model works without currency.
1137602;1431997362;justJanne;And, tbh, here no one cares about bitcoin.
1137603;1431997362;danielpbarron;but does it work with bitcoin?
1137604;1431997376;justJanne;Too high transfer fees, too slow transfers.
1137605;1431997379;danielpbarron;that's ok, bitcoin doesn't care about them either
1137606;1431997414;justJanne;But yeah, it would work with bitcoin.
1137607;1431997430;danielpbarron;but you can't get your 50% from me..
1137608;1431997440;justJanne;Why not?
1137609;1431997446;danielpbarron;what is there to take?
1137610;1431997452;justJanne;Your employer has to send that money to the govt.
1137611;1431997452;danielpbarron;nobody owns any bitcoin
1137612;1431997458;justJanne;You never see the 50%
1137613;1431997470;danielpbarron;suppose my employer doesn't
1137614;1431997482;danielpbarron;because my employer doesn't have a physical basis of operations
1137615;1431997502;justJanne;Then you will have to pay them.
1137616;1431997502;danielpbarron;and he claims juristiction in the Most Serene Republic, and not your joke of a country
1137617;1431997514;danielpbarron;pay them what?
1137618;1431997532;danielpbarron;how do you know I have even been paid?
1137619;1431997535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44648 @ 0.00026546 = 11.8523 BTC [-] {2} 
1137620;1431997553;jurov;you don't pay for shelter, food nor transport?
1137621;1431997564;justJanne;If you earn money in this country, work here (physical place of employer counts), or use your money, it will be taxed.
1137622;1431997594;justJanne;If you earn your money outside, only use it outside, and so on,
1137623;1431997596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171621 @ 0.00026204 = 44.9716 BTC [-] {3} 
1137624;1431997600;justJanne;You are technically a tourist.
1137625;1431997604;danielpbarron;why would anyone want to be based out of your country and pay 50% when they can be based out of The Most Serene Republic and pay only 0.1% ?
1137626;1431997641;jurov;will The Most Serene Republic cover your medical expenses in case of accident?
1137627;1431997642;justJanne;The question is:
1137628;1431997654;danielpbarron;jurov, those services will be provided by WoT members eventually I hope
1137629;1431997672;jurov;well, i'm not holding my breath there
1137630;1431997675;justJanne;Why should they live in the serene republic, where your insurance can run off with all your money, when they can live here, and have guaranteed healthcare?
1137631;1431997709;danielpbarron;it's not a matter of where to live, but where to claim juristiction
1137632;1431997719;justJanne;Nah.
1137633;1431997738;justJanne;Where they do their physical work, rent a flat, but food — those things are taxes.
1137634;1431997742;danielpbarron;but the reason is: keep 49.9% of your income and use the savings to buy healthcare later if you need it
1137635;1431997743;justJanne;*taxed
1137636;1431997759;justJanne;And what if you can't afford it at that point?
1137637;1431997765;justJanne;Your system is flawed.
1137638;1431997768;danielpbarron;then i become a slave or die i guess
1137639;1431997771;justJanne;It helps make the rich richer,
1137640;1431997776;danielpbarron;the rich should be richer
1137641;1431997777;justJanne;And the poor poorer.
1137642;1431997782;danielpbarron;the poor should be poorer
1137643;1431997785;justJanne;But society is people,
1137644;1431997795;justJanne;And people deserve to be treated equal.
1137645;1431997799;danielpbarron;no they don't
1137646;1431997807;justJanne;Then go live in the US.
1137647;1431997819;danielpbarron;I do
1137648;1431997827;danielpbarron;it's not what you imagine it is
1137649;1431997838;justJanne;In a few years, the US will have reached the level of freedom that somalia has.
1137650;1431997860;BingoBoingo;"people" kinda suck http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories/comments/366c7c/tlc_my_ass/
1137651;1431997920;justJanne;Tbh, I like cities where you have to use the bike.
1137652;1431997964;justJanne;With less than 47% of the people owning cars, and everyone using bikes, public transport, and walking, the amount of overweight people reduces drastically.
1137653;1431998045;justJanne;Okay, bbl, it's 3am
1137654;1431998046;danielpbarron;i ride a bike everywhere in the spring/summer
1137655;1431998078;BingoBoingo;Bikes don't have a clear niche where the really beat pedestrianism, motorcarriages, or rocket plane
1137656;1431998090;justJanne;They do.
1137657;1431998092;danielpbarron;oh they clearly beat walking
1137658;1431998103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79745 @ 0.00026136 = 20.8422 BTC [-]
1137659;1431998112;BingoBoingo;I dunno anything beats walking.
1137660;1431998121;jurov;!up joshbuddy
1137661;1431998130;justJanne;If you have small narrow streets, distances between 10 and 15 km, and a huge amount of people on tiny space,
1137662;1431998141;justJanne;Bike is the only solution. (Or public transport)
1137663;1431998159;BingoBoingo;Or walk longer, speed is overrated
1137664;1431998169;danielpbarron;i bike amongst a sea of cars (ct shoreline gets crazy in the summer)
1137665;1431998171;justJanne;Not helpful at 10-15km distance.
1137666;1431998193;BingoBoingo;That's not really all that far on foot
1137667;1431998203;justJanne;Almost all parcel companies, pizza delivery services, etc use bikes Jere for that reason.
1137668;1431998215;justJanne;BingoBoingo: I walk that much daily, I know.
1137669;1431998225;BingoBoingo;Sure
1137670;1431998237;justJanne;Still it's not a distance that makes a car useful, but would be ideal for biking.
1137671;1431998251;justJanne;Anyway, 3am, bbl
1137672;1431998291;danielpbarron;car beats bike if money isn't a consideration
1137673;1431998389;BingoBoingo;http://imperatortempus42.tumblr.com/post/119286272196/punk-con-winnieportleyrind
1137674;1431998449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258100 @ 0.00025836 = 66.6827 BTC [-] {7} 
1137675;1431998876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00026137 = 18.8186 BTC [+]
1137676;1431999029;BingoBoingo;!up pet_dushenski
1137677;1431999037;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1137678;1431999370;pete_dushenski;oh hello world.
1137679;1431999461;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137550 << fact.
1137680;1431999461;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 00:48:25; mats: i recommend a stint as a govt employee
1137681;1431999514;pete_dushenski;a year, mebbe a year and a half is perfectly sufficient to understand the insanity-on-a-stick that is state-run anything.
1137682;1431999557;mod6;all you need is one trip to the post office
1137683;1431999575;pete_dushenski;canada post is actually decent.
1137684;1431999601;pete_dushenski;post offices are just a special counter in a corner of pharmacies
1137685;1431999672;midnightmagic;Medicine here is good too, as are government-run car insurance corps which have superior prices to private enterprises elsewhere in Canada.
1137686;1431999818;midnightmagic;Stats canada provides superior-quality reports to private enterprise. Environment Canada is the source for pretty much all weather everywhere in Canada.. Health Canada has very little politics in it, necessarily.
1137687;1431999846;pete_dushenski;gov-run services in canada also service relatively few people and are unforgivably expensive.
1137688;1431999888;pete_dushenski;and the relative quality of their output compared to the derpy canadian private enterprises still doesn't speak to how poorly they're run.
1137689;1431999905;pete_dushenski;they're mostly funded and staffed to the rafters.
1137690;1431999953;pete_dushenski;and they're awful to work for if you have ambition and half a functioning intellect.
1137691;1432000207;mats;i witnessed a pretty serious amount of theft and graft, even at the company level in .mil
1137692;1432000227;mats;can't imagine the kind of devilry a bent brigade quartermaster or commander can get up to
1137693;1432000344;decimation;mats: ever seen sgt bilko?
1137694;1432000362;mats;nah, heard of it though, i'll add it to ma list
1137695;1432000471;decimation;it's funny.  the troupe of the corrupt supply sergeant probably has a good basis in fact
1137696;1432000513;decimation;of course, 'corrupt' can mean 'good at acquiring stuff without respect to derpy rules'
1137697;1432000514;mats;it absolutely does
1137698;1432000523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77750 @ 0.00027022 = 21.0096 BTC [+] {2} 
1137699;1432000584;decimation;"Stats canada provides superior-quality reports to private enterprise." < what private enterprise provides reports on derpy bureaucracy?
1137700;1432000743;pete_dushenski;lol right. "we make the best reports on the things we ate for breakfast. they're quite unparalleled in detail and accuracy."
1137701;1432000797;mats;in my short stint, i shit you not, things like uparmored vehicles, munitions, and all sorts of tactical gear (e.g. night vision goggles, range finders, body armor) vanished into thin air, leaving the commander on the hook
1137702;1432000850;mats;this occurred under the management of three supply dudes, each of them who successively transferred to another unit before shit hit the fan, and to my knowledge nobody's been locked up yet
1137703;1432000887;decimation;mats did you see that econtalk link I posted about lying in the military
1137704;1432000904;mats;no
1137705;1432000934;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/leonard_wong_on.html
1137706;1432000994;mats;yup
1137707;1432000994;mats;there is this thing known as "zero defect" officers
1137708;1432000994;decimation;yeah he talks about that
1137709;1432000994;decimation;'everyone knows' they are lying
1137710;1432000998;mats;because of the structure of officer corps, evaluations bear enormous weight, and you simply cannot ever fuck up
1137711;1432001016;mats;because its "up or out", if you aren't worthy of a promotion according to n metrics, you gtfo
1137712;1432001033;decimation;yep.  Really us mil's problem is that is majorly officer heavy
1137713;1432001090;decimation;if some random staff officer can demand that every 2lt must sign for whatever derpy training or equipment kind invalidates the 'chain of command'
1137714;1432001094;decimation;which is imaginary anyway
1137715;1432001181;mats;well, in that instance, company/batt/brigade cdr is responsible for managing an effective command environment
1137716;1432001225;decimation;sure, and rather than trusting in his judgment, usg sees fit to shower him with thousands of 'requirements'
1137717;1432001262;mats;the ugly status of officer corps is why i didn't stay in ROTC in univ
1137718;1432001338;decimation;they talk the talk, but the actual 'walk' is 'play the bureaucratic/democratic politics game'
1137719;1432001877;mats;the skimming going on was incredible lol
1137720;1432001887;mats;even the cooks were doing it
1137721;1432001909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101000 @ 0.0002657 = 26.8357 BTC [-] {2} 
1137722;1432001940;danielpbarron;!up O2made
1137723;1432001943;mats;fuckers would feed us pasta, one or two meatballs, and week old salad as often as they could
1137724;1432001981;mats;meanwhile they pocket 70% of what the unit actually allotted for a meal
1137725;1432002102;decimation;mats: I shudder to think about what the rest of usg is up to
1137726;1432002129;mats;pallets of MREs would regularly go missing at the end of field exercises
1137727;1432002141;decimation;pallets
1137728;1432002153;decimation;I guess you could sell on ebay
1137729;1432002176;mats;which is why you can buy MREs for three bux when USG pays twelve per iirc
1137730;1432002186;mats;yeah eBay
1137731;1432003130;mats;http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Cases-of-Military-MREs-1-A-and-1-B-6-2014-insp-date-24meals-/141611644330
1137732;1432003190;mats;check out the seller's profile
1137733;1432003190;mats;this guy definitely knows a bent supply dude
1137734;1432003190;decimation;one wonders why the hell usg doesn't investigate this kind of stuff
1137735;1432003190;decimation;I guess they are 'too busy'
1137736;1432003207;BingoBoingo;Guy seems awfully close to Leonard Wood
1137737;1432003259;mats;fort lost in the woods -- never again.
1137738;1432003436;*;mats fondly remembers training event where we were forced to go MOPP 3 (overboots, gas mask, most of the NBC gear) with body armor and run around the track on a summer afternoon
1137739;1432003476;decimation;I had a friend who went to 'real' MOPP training - he was suited in a room with VX gas.
1137740;1432003500;decimation;he said it took several hours to donn/duff the gear
1137741;1432003517;mats;i have a hard time believing VX was used in a training event
1137742;1432003532;decimation;he might have been bullshitting
1137743;1432003538;BingoBoingo;This weekend I was traveling the still more southern parts of illinois, saw the first wild armadillo I've seen east of the missippi
1137744;1432003538;mats;when you can just dissolve a tablet of CS in a spray bottle
1137745;1432003572;decimation;http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/army-soldiers-participate-in-mopp-gear-exchange-their-final-news-photo/1940525
1137746;1432003632;BingoBoingo;The wild of armadillo was of course in it's natural state dead on the side of the road
1137747;1432003632;decimation;"Soldiers from all branches of the Armed Forces, civilian first responders, and some foreign military attend the chemical school for training in various types of chemical detection and survival through several courses including practice in a hot zone where actual toxic agents such as the Sarin and VX nerve agents."
1137748;1432003632;decimation;you couldn't pay me enough for that shit
1137749;1432003632;mats;guys in the chemical corps were some of the most crazy ive ever met
1137750;1432003693;decimation;there's no doubt that a 'real' chemical attack is gonna result in alot of deaths
1137751;1432003706;decimation;the game is just to minimize it I guess
1137752;1432003782;mats;chemical weapons are only useful for propaganda
1137753;1432003818;mats;absurdly expensive compared to the cost of a 5.56 round
1137754;1432003860;decimation; under the right conditions I guess they could kill alot of people
1137755;1432003922;decimation;the main problem with chemical weapons is the 'moral debt' they incur
1137756;1432003935;decimation;you start gasing the enemy's cities, he can nuke/gas yours
1137757;1432004645;trinque;antisocialist thread went about as I thought
1137758;1432004657;trinque;glad I drank wine at ben_vulpes' office instead
1137759;1432004660;trinque;:D
1137760;1432004797;decimation;I suspect one cannot be against 'basic income' and 'insurance for all' without being a nazi in modern germany
1137761;1432004834;trinque;yeah I'm sure that informs the "modern" sensibilities
1137762;1432004844;trinque;dad beat mom, son is a radical feminist
1137763;1432005065;mats;fun fact: there is a Turing-complete printer control VM in the winders kernel
1137764;1432005152;*;trinque autisms in the corner
1137765;1432005156;decimation;http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0302/US-grants-German-homeschoolers-asylum.-Will-others-follow "But German media have portrayed the case as an insult to the German system. Many Germans are shocked to learn that 1.5 million children in the US are homeschooled and that the practice is legal in countries like France, Italy, and Ireland.
1137766;1432005216;trinque;mats: windows' spooler thing has a language in it?
1137767;1432005216;decimation;^ more nordic freedom
1137768;1432005299;mats;trinque: yep.
1137769;1432005309;trinque;well that's good.
1137770;1432005364;trinque;this extensibility thing is braindamage
1137771;1432005392;trinque;dev is insecure about whether his app covers all cases so he does things like that, builds a goddamn scripting layer into the thing because you know printing needs that
1137772;1432005423;trinque;then 5 years later that's a part of history and you can't change that, who are you?
1137773;1432005439;mats;another fun fact: there's also a Turing-complete PostScript VM in the kernel
1137774;1432005448;trinque;NT or linux?
1137775;1432005448;mats;^___^
1137776;1432005454;mats;NT.
1137777;1432005466;BingoBoingo;I thought you were going to say both
1137778;1432005477;trinque;history will hold that Windows was specifically intended for maximal didling
1137779;1432005479;trinque;*diddling
1137780;1432005497;mats;i dunno all that much about linux tbh
1137781;1432005544;trinque;BingoBoingo: this probably means CUPS is too
1137782;1432005559;trinque;postscript is probably itself turing complete
1137783;1432005574;trinque;yup it is
1137784;1432005575;BingoBoingo;CUPS is weird. Sometimes it just works, othertimes catches fire.
1137785;1432005622;trinque;the perception is probably due to myriad shitty filters and ppd's by printer manufacturers
1137786;1432005631;mats;you'd think there's not a good reason for the kernel to need PostScript
1137787;1432005650;trinque;apparently there are good reasons for all kinds of rape these days
1137788;1432005652;mats;but... you need it for printer stuff and fonts
1137789;1432005679;mats;for the enterprising d00d there r a number of 0days in there
1137790;1432005731;mats;go get em before server 2003 EOL
1137791;1432005755;trinque;nah after's even better
1137792;1432005765;trinque;you know nobody that fields that crap upgrades anything
1137793;1432005784;trinque;next time you're in a restaurant try to spot the XP running on the terminals
1137794;1432005793;trinque;I've seen 2k
1137795;1432005909;trinque;praise to the guy still using the DOS point of sale... I bet nobody knows how to break into that anymore
1137796;1432006253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20108 @ 0.00025339 = 5.0952 BTC [-]
1137797;1432006394;mats;uh huh
1137798;1432008205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00025401 = 8.5601 BTC [+]
1137799;1432009299;mats;http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/05/15/congratulations-graduate-now-pay/QoPBl4MdUWeeyHfGk0WzQJ/story.html
1137800;1432009361;mats;"The average class of 2015 borrower will graduate college with just over $35,000 in debt, according to an analysis by Edvisors, ...[that] makes the class of 2015 the most indebted class in history, graduating with a whopping $56 billion in student loan debt."
1137801;1432010274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86364 @ 0.00025372 = 21.9123 BTC [-] {2} 
1137802;1432011018;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume XII - http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-xii/
1137803;1432011262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00027024 = 5.04 BTC [+]
1137804;1432011567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20108 @ 0.00027624 = 5.5546 BTC [+]
1137805;1432011667;asciilifeform;<mats> fun fact: there is a Turing-complete printer control VM in the winders kernel << the contents of winblows kernel are - imho - approximately as interesting as buruli ulcer. and for the same reason.
1137806;1432011675;asciilifeform;(not i did not say, 'uninteresting.')
1137807;1432011701;asciilifeform;trinque> praise to the guy still using the DOS point of sale << saw this alive in b-a
1137808;1432011811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00027881 = 6.552 BTC [+]
1137809;1432011895;mats;windows could just rasterize PostScript and run the VM in user mode
1137810;1432012025;mats;wasn't reasonably quick in early 90s but now...
1137811;1432012394;mats;dear god EMET is a shitshow
1137812;1432013627;trinque;asciilifeform: I tend to think if it survived that long something's right about it
1137813;1432014434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93592 @ 0.00027419 = 25.662 BTC [-] {2} 
1137814;1432014861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00027881 = 18.8754 BTC [+]
1137815;1432015227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98800 @ 0.00028103 = 27.7658 BTC [+] {3} 
1137816;1432015506;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina
1137817;1432015508;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 233.827048, Best ask: 233.831884, Bid-ask spread: 0.00484, Last trade: 233.82866, 24 hour volume: 17755.83700000, 24 hour low: 232.935612, 24 hour high: 236.89952, 24 hour vwap: 235.370633812
1137818;1432015519;BingoBoingo;;;ticker  --market itbutt
1137819;1432015520;gribble;Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
1137820;1432015555;BingoBoingo;^ nanotube can gribble get itbutt ticker pls?
1137821;1432015789;mircea_popescu;trinque hey, you gonna make deedbot announce bitbet bets too ?
1137822;1432015882;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137812 << imo dos is actually better than unix.
1137823;1432015882;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 05:33:47; trinque: asciilifeform: I tend to think if it survived that long something's right about it
1137824;1432015998;trinque;mircea_popescu: bitbets sure, it's RSS?
1137825;1432016008;mircea_popescu;json iirc
1137826;1432016020;mircea_popescu;it was new props, and bets > 1 btc iirc.
1137827;1432016142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00028176 = 4.5082 BTC [+] {2} 
1137828;1432016240;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137579 << for the record, corruption is the only thing that's actually good, just, sane and humane in that discussion.
1137829;1432016240;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 00:56:48; justJanne: mike_c: kinda. But corruption makes discussion always useless.
1137830;1432016264;mircea_popescu;all the shoulding and oughting and wanting is outright criminal.
1137831;1432016267;trinque;is that like, paying people to do things?
1137832;1432016272;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1137833;1432016277;trinque;fucking evil
1137834;1432016310;mircea_popescu;me persuading people to betray uncle sam = corruption!111 ; congress coming up with fatca to FORCE people into betraying their own customers = rule of law
1137835;1432016312;mircea_popescu;go fig.
1137836;1432016407;trinque;they're incredibly obedient, which is probably fine under sane circumstances
1137837;1432016413;mircea_popescu;corruption is commerce that dares work against one's ideological goals. the mere fact that this could happen invalidates that one's thinking, and the fact it happens i npractice, and not even exceptionally but to the degree it can no longe be ignored even by the wilfully ignorant ...
1137838;1432016448;mircea_popescu;basically if corruption is a problem you're hitler.
1137839;1432016546;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137586 << yes, it is. so is germany. the situation here is that a leper and a phtysic point at each other.
1137840;1432016546;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 00:59:33; justJanne: Because the US is a reference point as worst case civilized country.
1137841;1432016560;mircea_popescu;yes, yes, the one with tb will die first and the one with leprosy stinks worst. big whoop.
1137842;1432016659;mircea_popescu;and on which, incidentally, http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Bulletin_1904_1000535282/85
1137843;1432016719;mircea_popescu;"Doubtless the danger of infection is exaggerated to-day in its sociological dangerous manner."
1137844;1432016719;mircea_popescu;century ago, same problems.
1137845;1432016931;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the intermediate period between first
1137846;1432016931;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 00:58:49; justJanne: And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US.
1137847;1432016931;mircea_popescu;and second example.
1137848;1432016964;mircea_popescu;i get it, you got how to throw a great party down, once someone prepares the cupboards. very impressed.
1137849;1432017032;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137610 << epic.
1137850;1432017032;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 01:04:12; justJanne: Your employer has to send that money to the govt.
1137851;1432017047;mircea_popescu;"youy have to fuck this drake on cam. go ahead."
1137852;1432017085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108648 @ 0.000286 = 31.0733 BTC [+] {2} 
1137853;1432017131;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137626 << no. and neither will slovakia. unless it's a good deal for them, making it a cheap way to acquire publicity rights for your case for instance.
1137854;1432017131;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 01:07:21; jurov: will The Most Serene Republic cover your medical expenses in case of accident?
1137855;1432017168;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137636 << then you suck and should be dead in the first place.
1137856;1432017168;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 01:09:19; justJanne: And what if you can't afford it at that point?
1137857;1432017185;mircea_popescu;there's no rule that "everyone must has", be it equal chances or whatever else. there's also no rule that everyone's just as good as everyone else.
1137858;1432017201;mircea_popescu;not everything has to be preserved. some shit dies, thanks fucking god.
1137859;1432017256;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137652 << this is true. famine is what made eastern european girls such hotties the past 2-3 decades. it's fading, of course.
1137860;1432017256;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 01:12:44; justJanne: With less than 47% of the people owning cars, and everyone using bikes, public transport, and walking, the amount of overweight people reduces drastically.
1137861;1432017417;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137659 << i'm with him. i love walking.
1137862;1432017417;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 01:15:12; BingoBoingo: I dunno anything beats walking.
1137863;1432017433;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137661 << why would anyone sane live in a rookery.
1137864;1432017433;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 01:15:30; justJanne: If you have small narrow streets, distances between 10 and 15 km, and a huge amount of people on tiny space,
1137865;1432017510;BingoBoingo;The natural order of things is you walk around town and drive (car, horse, rocket) between towns.
1137866;1432017521;mircea_popescu;yeh
1137867;1432017538;BingoBoingo;A bicycle is just dead wait that's going to get stolen as soon as you have to go inside a building
1137868;1432017543;mircea_popescu;"on this point, there can be no debate!"
1137869;1432017666;BingoBoingo;And if one can't walk with leisure to all places of import in the town, the town sucks
1137870;1432017675;trinque;driving alone on a road being a close second
1137871;1432017735;trinque;I used to get a lot of thinking done driving between the major cities in TX; past a certain hour there's nobody out there
1137872;1432017779;BingoBoingo;driving alone on a road in the middle of nowhere during the day, just might take first place
1137873;1432017796;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137702 << sounds exactly like the chinese palace of pu yi
1137874;1432017796;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 02:00:50; mats: this occurred under the management of three supply dudes, each of them who successively transferred to another unit before shit hit the fan, and to my knowledge nobody's been locked up yet
1137875;1432017799;trinque;try making angry plans for your life on your fucking bicycle
1137876;1432017803;trinque;impossible
1137877;1432017822;mircea_popescu;trinque or while having secx.
1137878;1432017899;trinque;lol, I give that a 50/50 on working out
1137879;1432017910;trinque;could be like "and then we're going to own half this city" and so on, with thrusts
1137880;1432017939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00028775 = 15.6824 BTC [+] {3} 
1137881;1432017971;mircea_popescu;>D
1137882;1432017984;mircea_popescu;so try it sometime
1137883;1432018085;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137742 << well, what they say they're doing and what they're actually doing in training exercises is famously divorced.
1137884;1432018085;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 02:45:32; decimation: he might have been bullshitting
1137885;1432018098;mircea_popescu;"This room has vx gas in it!11" "no, not really, act as if it did."
1137886;1432018173;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137752 << nukes, smaller.
1137887;1432018173;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 02:49:42; mats: chemical weapons are only useful for propaganda
1137888;1432018183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00028823 = 9.1945 BTC [+] {2} 
1137889;1432018287;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137760 << obv, as displayed in chat. the most amusing part being the implicit expectation one'd care. which apparently only exists because it was never challenged.
1137890;1432018287;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 03:06:37; decimation: I suspect one cannot be against 'basic income' and 'insurance for all' without being a nazi in modern germany
1137891;1432018366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176448 @ 0.00028307 = 49.9471 BTC [-] {3} 
1137892;1432018671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93600 @ 0.00026658 = 24.9519 BTC [-]
1137893;1432019159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45252 @ 0.00026658 = 12.0633 BTC [-]
1137894;1432020013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84600 @ 0.00028762 = 24.3327 BTC [+] {2} 
1137895;1432020323;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: does log.bitcoin-assets.com have some weird filtering?
1137896;1432020353;ben_vulpes;pnohe does not want to resolve dns even apparently
1137897;1432020402;ben_vulpes;raptop, howeverz...
1137898;1432020989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00028227 = 1.9053 BTC [-]
1137899;1432021196;justJanne;BingoBingo: the issue is that you can't walk around in larger towns anymore, and that's where bikes become useful. And no, people don't steal it. Hell, I've left my laptop hundreds of times on random park benches in heavily frequented parks, never stolen. In my neighborhood most people don't even lock their doors.
1137900;1432021334;ben_vulpes;<justJanne> danielpbarron: unless you lose it all, and have no money and are starving << people who should starve should starve
1137901;1432021377;justJanne;And that's where you are wrong.
1137902;1432021401;ben_vulpes;justJanne: there are simply too many people on this planet
1137903;1432021410;justJanne;Nope.
1137904;1432021426;justJanne;Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people.
1137905;1432021441;justJanne;But about 40% of the produced food is wasted.
1137906;1432021450;ben_vulpes;were it all dispersed evenly across everyone, rather than proportionately to their ability to pay.
1137907;1432021456;trinque;"at this rate of emptying the tank we could support infinite trucks"
1137908;1432021465;justJanne;Not really.
1137909;1432021478;ben_vulpes;suuuure, if all the food were spread really thinly across the whole population base, we could all live on gruel!
1137910;1432021485;justJanne;No.
1137911;1432021507;williamdunne;Waste is a fact, there is no real way around it
1137912;1432021509;ben_vulpes;this contradiction routine wears thin, justJanne.
1137913;1432021518;williamdunne;We could have more people if people wanted to fuck ugly chicks
1137914;1432021521;williamdunne;But they don't
1137915;1432021538;justJanne;I am saying: just the food you let go to waste would be enough to feed the starving people in Africa.
1137916;1432021557;trinque;justJanne: bringing things places costs money
1137917;1432021563;ben_vulpes;i literally give zero shits about starving people in africa.
1137918;1432021576;justJanne;And that's the issue what's wrong with this world.
1137919;1432021581;justJanne;Or rather, how to get wars.
1137920;1432021585;ben_vulpes;show me how to save my wot from impending doom, and i'll give a shit.
1137921;1432021603;ben_vulpes;but saving randos on another continent? idgaf.
1137922;1432021609;williamdunne;Africa might actually stand a chance of doing something if it weren't for various restrictions placed by EU, USG and co
1137923;1432021618;justJanne;True.
1137924;1432021624;williamdunne;Feeding them is useless
1137925;1432021626;trinque;justJanne: does europe now think it is "beyond" war?
1137926;1432021637;ben_vulpes;"war is interested in you"
1137927;1432021644;trinque;^
1137928;1432021651;justJanne;War might be interested in Europe, as an entity
1137929;1432021663;justJanne;But the wars inside of EU are history.
1137930;1432021682;justJanne;For the first time in the past 3000 years we have no wars between EU countries.
1137931;1432021687;ben_vulpes;bwahaha
1137932;1432021688;trinque;fascinating...
1137933;1432021693;ben_vulpes;for this brief period
1137934;1432021694;trinque;does germany own the EU politically now?
1137935;1432021700;justJanne;Nah.
1137936;1432021705;trinque;justJanne: you're german right?
1137937;1432021721;justJanne;The EU council has actually no say.
1137938;1432021734;trinque;whoever has money has say
1137939;1432021735;justJanne;The power is in the commission and the parliament
1137940;1432021747;ben_vulpes;heh, cute
1137941;1432021757;ben_vulpes;not those who buy the votes. no never that.
1137942;1432021762;justJanne;You can't pass a law without either bribing half of them,
1137943;1432021781;justJanne;Or changing the constitution first.
1137944;1432021810;ben_vulpes;in what world are all of the politicians in any situation not wholly owned by capital?
1137945;1432021856;ben_vulpes;this Janne babe's doing a number on the chan, smack in the middle of the keymageddon.
1137946;1432021861;williamdunne;A magic world without capital
1137947;1432021863;justJanne;The EU commissioners, albeit getting lobbied to by many companies to pass TTIP just leaked all secret treaties they are working on.
1137948;1432021882;williamdunne;TTIP seems like an interesting idea, IMO
1137949;1432021887;justJanne;They might be corrupt, but they aren't that corrupt.
1137950;1432021888;williamdunne;Keep governments liable for damages
1137951;1432021889;williamdunne;Do it
1137952;1432021892;justJanne;Lol
1137953;1432021897;ben_vulpes;!rate justJanne -1 some girl with notions
1137954;1432021897;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b29f6c168dbf9900
1137955;1432021905;justJanne;We've seen what happened before.
1137956;1432021913;justJanne;Romania reduced subsidies,
1137957;1432021927;justJanne;And had to pay 250 million in damages.
1137958;1432021930;justJanne;Per suing company.
1137959;1432021938;justJanne;Subsidies can't be what you want, right?
1137960;1432021938;*;williamdunne admittedly only read about the "er mer gerd evul cerperatshuns rapin guv"
1137961;1432021950;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.justJanne.-1:27e8f6ad997dec923ad3c861be03ff72636087cdaac99dd9e535179a33aa1675
1137962;1432021950;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for justJanne with note: some girl with notions
1137963;1432021960;williamdunne;Don't want subsidies
1137964;1432021972;williamdunne;Don't want taxes
1137965;1432021974;williamdunne;Don't want gov
1137966;1432021981;justJanne;Then you should be against TTIP
1137967;1432022000;justJanne;Because it forces governments to keep subsidies, or increase them.
1137968;1432022011;justJanne;It also leads to restrictions for some companies.
1137969;1432022027;justJanne;And adds European IP law in the US, and US IP law in Europe.
1137970;1432022044;justJanne;So no, you can't produce cheese and call it Gouda or Cheddar in the US anymore.
1137971;1432022048;justJanne;Ad that's copyrighted.
1137972;1432022052;justJanne;*as
1137973;1432022067;justJanne;TTIP is bad for almost everyone.
1137974;1432022077;williamdunne;Don't want IP
1137975;1432022094;williamdunne;I just like the idea of suing government, wasn't aware that you could sue for removed subsidies
1137976;1432022100;justJanne;Then you don't want TTIP
1137977;1432022118;justJanne;You should read the treaty.
1137978;1432022124;williamdunne;I should, I'll do that later
1137979;1432022133;williamdunne;Although in this case I like subsidies, I change my mind
1137980;1432022135;trinque;what I do want is other people signing contracts on my behalf.
1137981;1432022146;trinque;dictating terms to me
1137982;1432022148;trinque;this is freedom
1137983;1432022150;justJanne;Nah.
1137984;1432022153;trinque;yes.
1137985;1432022155;williamdunne;^ +1, trinque you want my GPG key?
1137986;1432022158;trinque;you're too young to have ever had anything
1137987;1432022161;justJanne;Freedom is when you'd get to vote on it.
1137988;1432022166;williamdunne;Wut?
1137989;1432022167;trinque;williamdunne: for what
1137990;1432022174;williamdunne;trinque: Signing contracts on my behalf
1137991;1432022177;ben_vulpes;i'm looking forward to ttip draining medicaid for hilaribad training proggys
1137992;1432022183;trinque;williamdunne: oh, I do not
1137993;1432022185;justJanne;Without even the ability to vote on this, TTIP is unconstitutional.
1137994;1432022198;williamdunne;Voting ain't freedom
1137995;1432022203;justJanne;Nah.
1137996;1432022211;justJanne;But without voting there is 0 freedom.
1137997;1432022221;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: how long do i have to wait for assbot to accept and act on my raitings?
1137998;1432022222;williamdunne;Voting arguably reduces freedom
1137999;1432022227;justJanne;Voting makes it 50% freedom, as at least 50% of the people gets their choice.
1138000;1432022237;ben_vulpes;ratings*
1138001;1432022238;justJanne;Without voting, there is 0 freedom
1138002;1432022246;trinque;justJanne: 435/320mil are going to rubber stamp this thing and make me ok with it?
1138003;1432022249;williamdunne;In that case with voting there is -1 freedom
1138004;1432022261;williamdunne;It gives the idea of legitimacy to bad things
1138005;1432022262;justJanne;Why?
1138006;1432022279;williamdunne;If that is freedom, so is gangrape
1138007;1432022280;justJanne;Not everything is bad, just because you don't like it.
1138008;1432022293;williamdunne;Subjectively it is
1138009;1432022299;ben_vulpes;but the average of opinions is good, because it includes everyone!1
1138010;1432022301;cazalla;russians need to send more reds to rape german women tbh, fuck this shit
1138011;1432022304;justJanne;But objectively not.
1138012;1432022322;williamdunne;Objectively speaking stealing from people is bad
1138013;1432022334;williamdunne;The fact that there is an organization doing it on your behalf makes it no better
1138014;1432022338;justJanne;There is no stealing.
1138015;1432022342;williamdunne;Regardless if you've got your popular mandate
1138016;1432022346;williamdunne;*of if
1138017;1432022346;justJanne;You do it voluntarily.
1138018;1432022349;ben_vulpes;<williamdunne> Objectively speaking stealing from people is bad << nope, stealing from my enemies is grand.
1138019;1432022353;trinque;justJanne: there is allowing the state to control the definition of money and of ownership.
1138020;1432022355;trinque;the fucking end
1138021;1432022361;justJanne;You could just move to Somalia.
1138022;1432022365;justJanne;No taxes anymore.
1138023;1432022366;justJanne;See?
1138024;1432022369;justJanne;No stealing.
1138025;1432022372;williamdunne;Thats not how this works
1138026;1432022379;justJanne;It's your choice to live in a place with taxes.
1138027;1432022388;williamdunne;No it isn't, I was born here
1138028;1432022395;justJanne;We had that earlier.
1138029;1432022411;ben_vulpes;lol and this is a 19yo girl
1138030;1432022413;justJanne;And you said people deserve to be punished for the actions for their ancestors.
1138031;1432022421;williamdunne;When did I say this?
1138032;1432022431;justJanne;In this case, you deserve to be taxed because your parents were to stupid to move away
1138033;1432022439;trinque;heh
1138034;1432022451;ben_vulpes;and you deserve to be raped for supporting socialism then?
1138035;1432022451;williamdunne;[citation needed]
1138036;1432022453;justJanne;I think trinque was the one saying it?
1138037;1432022468;cazalla;justJanne, hope you get raped by a gang of marauding muslims over there
1138038;1432022468;trinque;I'll take it
1138039;1432022488;williamdunne;Trinque's statements aren't my own, this isn't a government
1138040;1432022509;trinque;yep
1138041;1432022517;justJanne;So, williamdunne, you say people don't deserve to be punished for the actions of their ancestors?
1138042;1432022524;williamdunne;Yes
1138043;1432022528;justJanne;So everyone should, after birth, have the same chances?
1138044;1432022530;ben_vulpes;<justJanne> mats: DS9-Star Trek is pretty much real. << aha she thinks scifi's real
1138045;1432022531;williamdunne;No
1138046;1432022539;justJanne;Why not?
1138047;1432022540;williamdunne;Something can be without being enacted
1138048;1432022551;williamdunne;The difference is the initiation
1138049;1432022555;justJanne;Why should they be punished for their parents poorness?
1138050;1432022557;trinque;justJanne: you use should to leap across things you don't want to have to think about.
1138051;1432022558;ben_vulpes;<justJanne> Why not?  << needs some context
1138052;1432022565;trinque;this is nothing bad, just being young and not knowing anything
1138053;1432022566;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1138054;1432022566;williamdunne;They aren't being punished, they simply are
1138055;1432022584;justJanne;Punishment through inaction is still punishment.
1138056;1432022588;williamdunne;No, it isn't
1138057;1432022598;trinque;you know, if socialists are happy in socialism, why isn't that fine?
1138058;1432022609;trinque;I say sit in it
1138059;1432022618;williamdunne;Because they enforce it on others, if they want to create a commune go for it
1138060;1432022619;ben_vulpes;rot in your poo!
1138061;1432022620;justJanne;I don't know. I have no issues with you guys building a state of anarchy,
1138062;1432022629;trinque;anarchy lol
1138063;1432022633;justJanne;As long as this place can stay the way it is.
1138064;1432022645;williamdunne;You don't really get a choice in what happens
1138065;1432022646;ben_vulpes;and how would you know how this place is, justJanne
1138066;1432022649;mircea_popescu;<justJanne> Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. << that's not the point. sure, food could be produced to feed 10, 100, one trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around. too many as it is.
1138067;1432022666;justJanne;trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets.
1138068;1432022671;justJanne;That's pretty much anarchy.
1138069;1432022676;trinque;no one speaks for me
1138070;1432022679;mircea_popescu;who said this and where did they say it ?
1138071;1432022694;justJanne;williamdunne said it, for example.
1138072;1432022697;ben_vulpes;<justJanne> trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets. << source or seriously get the fuck out
1138073;1432022701;justJanne;Several others said the same before.
1138074;1432022706;ben_vulpes;williamdunne does not count.
1138075;1432022708;trinque;scam
1138076;1432022713;trinque;ben_vulpes: provacateur!
1138077;1432022717;williamdunne;Once again, my opinions are my own
1138078;1432022725;williamdunne;Something I have said does not apply to others here
1138079;1432022726;mircea_popescu;justJanne you will have to learn to cite.
1138080;1432022726;justJanne;williamdunne Don't want taxes
1138081;1432022728;williamdunne;And I am not a lord
1138082;1432022737;justJanne;williamdunne Don't want gov
1138083;1432022745;ben_vulpes;<justJanne> williamdunne Don't want taxes << so what and whatever
1138084;1432022753;ben_vulpes;kid doesn't matter
1138085;1432022756;mircea_popescu;not merely because to prevail in arguments, but because a mind that's organised without strong sourcing of propositions is windows in a skullbox.
1138086;1432022756;williamdunne;justJanne: Once again, you're quoting me
1138087;1432022765;ben_vulpes;can't keep an irc bot up
1138088;1432022771;justJanne;Yes, and I'm arguing with you.
1138089;1432022773;mircea_popescu;aww why so mean!
1138090;1432022786;williamdunne;On that note, scoop will be back later today
1138091;1432022793;williamdunne;for good this time
1138092;1432022796;williamdunne;I swearsies
1138093;1432022797;mircea_popescu;good.
1138094;1432022799;justJanne;If the others want to join the argument, they have to also measure themselves to your statements.
1138095;1432022810;mircea_popescu;not how this works justJanne
1138096;1432022818;williamdunne;Read the logs
1138097;1432022822;williamdunne;Their positions are all in there
1138098;1432022830;ben_vulpes;williamdunne: better to demonstrate than postulate.
1138099;1432022840;williamdunne;justJanne: You're joining the argument, not the other way around
1138100;1432022847;justJanne;No.
1138101;1432022855;justJanne;I made yesterday some statements,
1138102;1432022864;justJanne;That were picked out of context and attacked today.
1138103;1432022874;williamdunne;What meanies
1138104;1432022874;trinque;people review the logs and respond; get used to it
1138105;1432022875;justJanne;By people saying they want no subsidies, but TTIP
1138106;1432022884;mircea_popescu;they were taken out of the context you intended them in and placed in the wider context prevailing here.
1138107;1432022895;mircea_popescu;this gives you an opportunity to explain yourself, or to go nuts i guess.
1138108;1432022906;justJanne;I didn't go nuts yet.
1138109;1432022916;mircea_popescu;not yet, no :)
1138110;1432022922;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone ever tried nut-aged cheese ?
1138111;1432022940;justJanne;I wonder how you guys actually think your social system will work in reality.
1138112;1432022949;mircea_popescu;ever read anythng on the topic ?
1138113;1432022970;justJanne;Yeah, a friend of mine was an extreme anarchist.
1138114;1432022979;justJanne;So I read and learned a lot about it.
1138115;1432022981;mircea_popescu;woman. your derpy friends are immaterial.
1138116;1432023002;justJanne;Interesting idea, unless it is implemented, within of a dozen generations it often stops working.
1138117;1432023005;mircea_popescu;i've known a bunch of german sluts, i don't go around assuming you're one, right ?
1138118;1432023016;justJanne;Nah.
1138119;1432023024;williamdunne;justJanne: What is implemented? WoT is alive and well
1138120;1432023028;justJanne;But we talked through your topic a bunch of times.
1138121;1432023036;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess time for a reading list.
1138122;1432023049;justJanne;williamdunne: when you'd try to implement this system in reality, as a social system.
1138123;1432023057;williamdunne;We're being social now
1138124;1432023059;mircea_popescu;justJanne http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ << start there.
1138125;1432023119;williamdunne;It is implemented in reality
1138126;1432023119;ben_vulpes;this is why we must insist on the log-reading, regardless of how cute or female.
1138127;1432023119;justJanne;Especially the "let poor people become poorer" and the "rich become richer" part.
1138128;1432023119;ben_vulpes;neither of which etc etc
1138129;1432023119;williamdunne;Wut?
1138130;1432023119;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes also must give people rope to hang with, it's a tandem process.
1138131;1432023119;ben_vulpes;NO
1138132;1432023119;ben_vulpes;KILL NAO
1138133;1432023119;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> <justJanne> Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. << that's not the point. sure, food could be produced to feed 10, 100, one trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around. too many as it is. << Speaking about agriculture. Lots of fallow fields this year.
1138134;1432023119;justJanne;After just a dozen generations, your poor will rise up against you.
1138135;1432023132;*;ben_vulpes tries to imagine the wealth of nagants bequeathed after a dozen cycles
1138136;1432023135;williamdunne;justJanne: I shared all of your opinions at first, thought MP was a cock etc. I then had the decency to spend ~9 months reading logs and blogs before speaking
1138137;1432023136;ben_vulpes;honey read logs
1138138;1432023138;ben_vulpes;stop derpin
1138139;1432023156;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo from what i hear a major battle is raging in us agriculture. monsanto vs agrobiz
1138140;1432023159;williamdunne;justJanne: Poor would benefit as much as anyone else, well, the working poor
1138141;1432023163;ben_vulpes;this handle of your'n already burtn
1138142;1432023165;ben_vulpes;burnt
1138143;1432023173;justJanne;williamdunne: I read blogs about it for 3 years.
1138144;1432023178;williamdunne;justJanne: Not about it
1138145;1432023184;williamdunne;The blogs here
1138146;1432023187;williamdunne;Scoopbots reading list
1138147;1432023188;mircea_popescu;about something else masquerading as it.
1138148;1432023190;justJanne;And it made me even more convinced it is a great system in theory. Not in reality.
1138149;1432023202;justJanne;No, literally your ideas and statements.
1138150;1432023205;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes also must give people rope to hang with, it's a tandem process. << maybe next cycle i can refrain
1138151;1432023206;mircea_popescu;you've done what a hacker news reader would do, reading the usg piece instead of my piece and imagining "oh i read about crypto"
1138152;1432023209;mircea_popescu;no, you have not.
1138153;1432023212;justJanne;I even read dozens of logs of the chat before.
1138154;1432023224;mircea_popescu;it doesn't show, somehow.
1138155;1432023232;williamdunne;justJanne: No, you haven't
1138156;1432023236;justJanne;Because I still don't believe it is a good idea.
1138157;1432023237;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There's always the lover's quarrels with those two. Could just be phosphorous is getting expensive...
1138158;1432023247;mircea_popescu;no, not because of what you believe. because of how you proceed.
1138159;1432023254;justJanne;One can have an opinion different of yours.
1138160;1432023257;williamdunne;No shit
1138161;1432023265;mircea_popescu;actually everyone does, is the amusing thing.
1138162;1432023265;justJanne;mircea_popescu: I didn't start any process.
1138163;1432023287;justJanne;Someone yesterday asked what's so bad about abolishing the Nordic model.
1138164;1432023290;mircea_popescu;justJanne how you proceed means "how you go about it"
1138165;1432023293;justJanne;That's how the whole thing started.
1138166;1432023299;mircea_popescu;the nordic model consists of being lucky, is all.
1138167;1432023304;justJanne;Since then, I'm just defending the current position.
1138168;1432023306;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how are you even awake
1138169;1432023327;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137845 << there is your controlling counter justJanne. do you know what the scania thing references ?
1138170;1432023327;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 06:28:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the intermediate pe
1138171;1432023332;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i don't sleep, i wait.
1138172;1432023344;*;ben_vulpes cowers
1138173;1432023371;justJanne;Ofc I know that shit.
1138174;1432023375;ben_vulpes;<justJanne> If you want total anarchy, go to somalia, they live it.  << lol u and somalia
1138175;1432023376;justJanne;Bit that's not the case.
1138176;1432023397;williamdunne;On a similar note, I considered dunne.so and thug.so as alternative to thethug.life
1138177;1432023398;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "it's not the case" ?
1138178;1432023404;ben_vulpes;anyways i got magical tits runnin around i'm off
1138179;1432023406;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137219 <<< volunteer firemen work for the extra cunt
1138180;1432023406;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 23:51:02; justJanne: because they are volunteers.
1138181;1432023418;mircea_popescu;davout she's not figured that out yet.
1138182;1432023470;justJanne;>_>
1138183;1432023485;BingoBoingo;<justJanne> Bit that's not the case. << Why do the Greeks and Spaniards work longer hours and yet Krautenvacations are longest vacations?
1138184;1432023512;mircea_popescu;"work" vs work
1138185;1432023521;BingoBoingo;Luck? The benevolent ghost of the Kaiser
1138186;1432023550;justJanne;davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too?
1138187;1432023554;mircea_popescu;nah, latinos mostly do c style work (figure out the least you can get away with and do less htan that).
1138188;1432023558;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But it's all calories!
1138189;1432023562;mircea_popescu;justJanne they especially.
1138190;1432023572;justJanne;And volunteer garbage workers?
1138191;1432023584;justJanne;They too?
1138192;1432023587;mircea_popescu;you have any idea what bdsm is ?
1138193;1432023587;trinque;justJanne: you cannot begin to imagine the bore of a planned out life for a male... good fucking god
1138194;1432023596;trinque;seems like it sounds fantastic to you
1138195;1432023598;mircea_popescu;lots of pedos volunteer to be teachers. is scarcely a proof your system works.
1138196;1432023598;davout;justJanne: i don't know lol, you were talking about firemen, guess they're bored or something, but then again, you don't only see volunteer librarians in societies that "work well"
1138197;1432023610;trinque;everyone has their place!
1138198;1432023623;williamdunne;Some in the gutter..
1138199;1432023629;justJanne;True. But it shows that people have the will and ability to do good without pay.
1138200;1432023631;mircea_popescu;trinque you think it's a gender issue ? i dun think she's old enough yet.
1138201;1432023645;davout;justJanne: just because you don't see what folks get out of a deal doesn't mean they're not getting anything
1138202;1432023647;mircea_popescu;justJanne if it's not worth paying for it wasn't that good in the first place.
1138203;1432023656;mircea_popescu;& what d said.
1138204;1432023657;gribble;Error: "what" is not a valid command.
1138205;1432023661;BingoBoingo;<justJanne> davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too? << I am a librarian. Volunteering without compensation is a violation of my professional ethics.
1138206;1432023674;williamdunne;Interesting, didn't realise ampersand was a gribble thing
1138207;1432023686;davout;BingoBoingo: don't you get to steal a TP roll a day already?
1138208;1432023687;trinque;mircea_popescu: could just as well be something taught to everyone, that risk is terrible and to be avoided
1138209;1432023688;justJanne;BingoBoingo: then you'd have a hard time here, 90% of all librarians are volunteers.
1138210;1432023692;mircea_popescu;gribble's a control sequence slut. CSS
1138211;1432023702;mircea_popescu;trinque and yet she is here.
1138212;1432023730;davout;justJanne: you underestimate the percentage of people that would do anything to merely get some social interaction, aka feel lonely
1138213;1432023749;mircea_popescu;ESPECIALLY in societies that "Work well" by old woman standards.
1138214;1432023750;BingoBoingo;justJanne: Seeing as the library profession here requires a graduate degree it wouldn't be sustainable here.
1138215;1432023757;mircea_popescu;such as "northern countries" w/e that may mean.
1138216;1432023787;justJanne;That's no issue, davout. Such immaterial payments are just what I originally meant.
1138217;1432023789;trinque;so they're all already smashed into obedience, and were born there
1138218;1432023796;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the only place where that model is actually sustainable is... israel.
1138219;1432023798;trinque;so yeah the cell's fine whatever, sun's shining out there today
1138220;1432023812;mircea_popescu;where the old woman doctrine has the nice counterpart of the freely provided fun stuff to do by the palestinians.
1138221;1432023824;mircea_popescu;if those schmucks had any idea about their important place in keeping adlai happy...
1138222;1432023845;mircea_popescu;justJanne do you read french ?
1138223;1432023863;justJanne;Not really, I didn't take it as 3rd or 4th language in school
1138224;1432023875;mircea_popescu;a, that's a pity.
1138225;1432023876;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137366 <<< top kek
1138226;1432023876;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 00:14:48; hanbot: how about jealous wives?
1138227;1432023895;mircea_popescu;i lol'd too >D
1138228;1432023911;davout;srsly, catching up with log, you guys have been going for like 8 hours now?
1138229;1432023918;mircea_popescu;she's insatiable.
1138230;1432023925;davout;haha
1138231;1432023933;mircea_popescu;we're reduced to taking turns and losing sleep.
1138232;1432023939;justJanne;I have no issue explaining people why removing the Nordic model would be bad.
1138233;1432023941;mircea_popescu;which is thefundamental problem with manhood.
1138234;1432023951;justJanne;I've slept 3h and skipped 2 lectures -.-
1138235;1432023975;mircea_popescu;justJanne so far you've not considered the part where it is already collapsing on its own, bnecause it doesn't work, because it's strictly based on getting lucky.
1138236;1432023977;mircea_popescu;VERY lucky.
1138237;1432023979;BingoBoingo;No wonder the Greeks are taking over the EU's jools
1138238;1432024006;justJanne;True.
1138239;1432024016;mircea_popescu;well, you need a system that works without assumptions.
1138240;1432024031;justJanne;Germany can only have a positive state household by exploiting southern Europe.
1138241;1432024036;justJanne;Which is not a good thing.
1138242;1432024037;mircea_popescu;sure, if you get a shitton of oil when oil's valuable / fish when fish is valuable etc, the "nordic model" is a great way to share it.
1138243;1432024041;mircea_popescu;what do you do when you don't ?
1138244;1432024042;williamdunne;I'm impressed with how quick shes climbing the stats
1138245;1432024044;justJanne;So, like you said, we need to reduce it.
1138246;1432024064;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Share the dead bodies
1138247;1432024088;mircea_popescu;williamdunne people generally don't wish to accept that nazism was absolutely unavoidable, FOR THIS REASON
1138248;1432024097;justJanne;mircea_popescu: the Nordic model is possible without any valuable resources.
1138249;1432024106;justJanne;As seen in places like Switzerland.
1138250;1432024106;mircea_popescu;purely economic. as hitler actually pointed out : we don't have enough land to exploit. either we fight or "the way of life" has to change.
1138251;1432024117;justJanne;And the solution for that was:
1138252;1432024119;mircea_popescu;justJanne are you kidding ? switzerland is exploiting a resource
1138253;1432024122;justJanne;High tech industry.
1138254;1432024129;williamdunne;mircea_popescu when you're willing to accept that theft is okay, how many more steps is murder? Europe and the US already murders vast quantities of people in Africa
1138255;1432024133;mircea_popescu;banking, mostly. but the us raped them.
1138256;1432024147;justJanne;True.
1138257;1432024153;mircea_popescu;williamdunne "murder". in the immortal words of butch, "if he were a better boxer he'd still be alive"
1138258;1432024175;justJanne;I'll brb
1138259;1432024192;mircea_popescu;justJanne don't die over b-a hon. it's eternal, will be here when you're 69, too.
1138260;1432024208;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I largely agree, Africa doesn't have much going for it but I do think it stands a chance of doing a helluva lot better without various EU/US laws.
1138261;1432024252;mircea_popescu;williamdunne one of the most amusing things, to me, is that the entire "black domination" subtrend in porn is driven almost entirely by white men.
1138262;1432024269;mircea_popescu;it's like... we're so far ahead of the curve, we will PRETEND to be playing all others' hands, too. because... w/e.
1138263;1432024269;williamdunne;cuckold too
1138264;1432024295;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1138265;1432024341;williamdunne;But do you not think that without various shitty laws preventing any African from doing something other than eating dirt?
1138266;1432024352;williamdunne;i.e AML bullshit, trade sanctions/restrictions etc
1138267;1432024362;mircea_popescu;you vastly overrepresent their reach.
1138268;1432024381;mircea_popescu;pretty much everyone in the civilised world (us and eu excluded) lives fine without ever touching those.
1138269;1432024416;williamdunne;Sure, but they put someone without money at a disadvantage
1138270;1432024439;williamdunne;*further
1138271;1432024467;mircea_popescu;but anyway, to round off the "social marketplace" thing : if one is to reclassify slave labour as "voluntaryism", which is undoubtedly erroneous but nevertheless coherent with the presupositions proposed, then sure, i am a champion of "the northern model"
1138272;1432024489;williamdunne;Don't think we all should be equal in fairyland but creating additional barriers is about the equivalent of kicking a man while he is down
1138273;1432024496;mircea_popescu;williamdunne someone without money has the disadvantage of not what to spend and the advantage of not having what to protect.
1138274;1432024565;williamdunne;Ofc
1138275;1432024587;mircea_popescu;you ever play cards ?
1138276;1432024616;williamdunne;Only in the drunken manner, not the competitive
1138277;1432024653;mircea_popescu;mkay. so take poker. a very simple description of poker is that you can either play hooker or bluffer. to play hooker you need card superiority, and try to trick your opponent into paying.
1138278;1432024665;mircea_popescu;to play bluffer you nbeed card inferiority, and try to trick your opponent into folding.
1138279;1432024692;mircea_popescu;now, if one's afore-decided they will be bluffing, a) they won't make very good poker players and b) any hand they get can "put them at a disadvantage".
1138280;1432024700;mircea_popescu;because it's not what they expected / wish to play / etc.
1138281;1432024715;mircea_popescu;why should this matter ? play the fucking hand. you adjust to fit it, not the other way around.
1138282;1432024766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81200 @ 0.00028126 = 22.8383 BTC [-] {2} 
1138283;1432024809;williamdunne;In this case its more like the bluffer having to play with a different set of superiority rules
1138284;1432024831;mircea_popescu;how would that work ? does being rich change thermodynamics or something ?
1138285;1432024840;mircea_popescu;rich man's bridge will collapse just like poor man's bridge will.
1138286;1432024873;mircea_popescu;but yes, the set of rules that control the game are different for hookers and bluffers. for hookers, the rules that control are "A > K > Q" etc.
1138287;1432024884;mircea_popescu;for bluffers, "you don't get to see my cards if you fold"
1138288;1432024889;mircea_popescu;so yes, different. necessarily so.
1138289;1432024904;williamdunne;Sure, but I don't think it's a very controversial idea that various rules such as the AML set put entire regions of people at a disadvantage
1138290;1432024916;mircea_popescu;depends in what terms.
1138291;1432024921;williamdunne;Well
1138292;1432024933;mircea_popescu;obviously, if you refuse to trade with putin, this puts "putin as seen through our trade with him" at a disadvantage.
1138293;1432024948;mircea_popescu;but then putin turns around, alligns with china economically in exchange for support for his "regions of eurasia" political model
1138294;1432024951;mircea_popescu;and you're well fucked.
1138295;1432024958;williamdunne;If I want to start a business in the UK, I can pretty easily sell my product wherever the fuck I want. Banks are willing to work with me, that will be fine. If I was from random-istan not so much
1138296;1432024971;mircea_popescu;or, alternatively, you discontinue support for israel and so the saudis no longer have what to fear so they dump your alliance.
1138297;1432024978;mircea_popescu;no, you can't.
1138298;1432024979;mircea_popescu;try this.
1138299;1432024993;mircea_popescu;you can't sell in randomistan anymore than randomistan can sell in the uk.
1138300;1432025004;williamdunne;Well, various African shitholes don't help themselves and won't allow foreigners to open accounts
1138301;1432025008;williamdunne;But this is their own fault
1138302;1432025012;mircea_popescu;...
1138303;1432025020;mircea_popescu;but you see how this is entirely you calling things names ?
1138304;1432025024;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Well yes, thats what I'm talking about but the reverse
1138305;1432025024;mircea_popescu;from their pov it's backwards.
1138306;1432025046;mircea_popescu;"oh, that's because uk shithole won't help itself and won't allow foreigners to whatever"
1138307;1432025066;mircea_popescu;why do you think the empire's been going to shit for a century ?
1138308;1432025069;williamdunne;Okay I see what you mean, but the UK needs it less
1138309;1432025078;mircea_popescu;africa at least is more or less where it was in 1880.
1138310;1432025087;mircea_popescu;the uk... god help it. no country in memory sunk as bad as they have.
1138311;1432025095;mircea_popescu;germany's pretty much recovered, the uk will never recover.
1138312;1432025130;williamdunne;Probably, then again we are largely responsible for modern socialism, so what do you expect?
1138313;1432025141;williamdunne;London subsidises the rest of the country anyway
1138314;1432025143;mircea_popescu;i dun expect, just putting things in perspective :)
1138315;1432025161;williamdunne;Well, that was more directed at an onlooker
1138316;1432025163;williamdunne;rather than you
1138317;1432025164;williamdunne;But yeah
1138318;1432025166;mircea_popescu;yeah they do, lmao, which is outright ridiculous. all good things are supposed to flow TO the city, not from it.
1138319;1432025177;mircea_popescu;and even WITH all that huge expenditure, scotland wants more and nearly seceded.
1138320;1432025199;mircea_popescu;which was one of the lulziest things i saw that year.
1138321;1432025202;williamdunne;Precisely, I've been ranting far too often recently about how London should tell the rest of the UK to fuck off
1138322;1432025204;williamdunne;Yes
1138323;1432025207;williamdunne;I hoped they would do it
1138324;1432025221;williamdunne;Remove one of the parasites
1138325;1432025225;mircea_popescu;well, it can't. because the one remaining hanging nail on the historical uk is the coupla nuke subs the us allows them to keep
1138326;1432025228;mircea_popescu;and they're in glasgow.
1138327;1432025229;mircea_popescu;so..
1138328;1432025234;mircea_popescu;just pay the dizzy sluts more :D
1138329;1432025258;mircea_popescu;which you know... scotland's going to oh so judiciously use
1138330;1432025260;williamdunne;I would imagine that they'd be moved to Plymouth or Bristol or summin
1138331;1432025271;mircea_popescu;btw, you familiar with the hilarious history of the scottish new world settlement thing ?
1138332;1432025281;williamdunne;Nope, shall I have a google?
1138333;1432025286;mircea_popescu;by all means.
1138334;1432025289;mircea_popescu;top keks in there.
1138335;1432025305;mircea_popescu;"darien scheme"
1138336;1432025489;justJanne;Meh.
1138337;1432025495;justJanne;I hope the UK leaves the EU.
1138338;1432025504;justJanne;It would finally kill their economy
1138339;1432025535;mircea_popescu;if they leave the eu they join the us.
1138340;1432025541;justJanne;As their economy right now is "European companies open an Ltd in London"
1138341;1432025550;williamdunne;"Returning to Edinburgh, the Company of Scotland for Trading to Africa raised £400,000 sterling in a few weeks (equivalent to roughly £46 million today),[b] with investments from every level of society, and totaling about a fifth of the wealth of Scotland.[7][8] It was, for Scotland, a massive amount of capital.[9]"
1138342;1432025554;mircea_popescu;uk as an independent state is about as ludicrous today as the kingdom of scotland was in 1715
1138343;1432025559;williamdunne;justJanne: London actually matters
1138344;1432025566;williamdunne;justJanne: Rest of the UK... not so much
1138345;1432025574;justJanne;That's noticeable.
1138346;1432025582;williamdunne;But it likely won't matter nearly as much outside of EU
1138347;1432025586;mircea_popescu;only matters because it's a relative tax heaven from the patently insane french (and german) communists.
1138348;1432025588;mircea_popescu;50% my foot.
1138349;1432025589;justJanne;Outside of London, the average waiting time for an ambulance is 4 hours.
1138350;1432025599;justJanne;Exactly.
1138351;1432025612;williamdunne;Currently if you set up a financial company in the EU, the standard procedure is London
1138352;1432025614;justJanne;Wait until the UK leaves, and their tax-haven-economy breaks down.
1138353;1432025624;mircea_popescu;justJanne you know i pay 3% in romania.
1138354;1432025630;mircea_popescu;also eu member.
1138355;1432025633;justJanne;Yes.
1138356;1432025634;justJanne;See?
1138357;1432025642;mircea_popescu;there is NEVER going to be a way for the bs taxation of socialists to be enforced. ever.
1138358;1432025644;justJanne;The tax haven will move to Romania, or Liechtenstein.
1138359;1432025653;justJanne;But London will be piss poor.
1138360;1432025655;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Wrote another article about that the other day, not too good though
1138361;1432025663;williamdunne;justJanne: Yes, I agree if it leaves the EU
1138362;1432025668;williamdunne;Gibraltar might be good
1138363;1432025677;williamdunne;I could imagine a fair amount moving there
1138364;1432025691;justJanne;Gibraltar is UK, would also leave.
1138365;1432025691;mircea_popescu;might just as well move here.
1138366;1432025706;justJanne;I hope the UK leaves the EU.
1138367;1432025711;mircea_popescu;b,tmsro~ only charges 0.1% after all.
1138368;1432025714;justJanne;So the Brits see the shit Cameron is doing.
1138369;1432025732;williamdunne;justJanne: It could probably work its way in there either way, IoM for example is not EU dependent
1138370;1432025759;williamdunne;justJanne: We can choose between Cameron or Labour, at least Cameron doesn't want to remove our main advantage.. being a tax haven
1138371;1432025780;justJanne;Yup. FPTP sucks.
1138372;1432025790;williamdunne;Proportional representation sucks worse
1138373;1432025795;williamdunne;Thats how you get communists
1138374;1432025798;justJanne;And?
1138375;1432025812;justJanne;You also get right-wingers,
1138376;1432025815;williamdunne;And I like the current availability of toilet paper
1138377;1432025817;justJanne;Liberals, and communists.
1138378;1432025821;justJanne;At the same time.
1138379;1432025833;williamdunne;My hand might be as soft as loo roll, but its not too hygienic
1138380;1432025834;justJanne;At least parliament debates are fun with all of them at once.
1138381;1432025855;mircea_popescu;lol
1138382;1432025858;mircea_popescu;she has a point there.
1138383;1432025865;mircea_popescu;that's how the shoe incidents happen
1138384;1432025866;williamdunne;Indeed
1138385;1432025871;williamdunne;lol
1138386;1432025914;justJanne;And more democratic, cause the government won't risk ignoring the 7% people who voted liberals, nor the 7% who voted communist, as if they'd ignore them, those parties would just start a fight in Parliament.
1138387;1432025917;williamdunne;The problem is the UK is mostly shit, as we have discussed. And the shit areas would be far more likely to vote Communist
1138388;1432025925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95396 @ 0.00027971 = 26.6832 BTC [-]
1138389;1432025927;williamdunne;justJanne: Ignoring is the right action
1138390;1432025937;justJanne;Nah.
1138391;1432025941;mircea_popescu;depends which %.
1138392;1432025947;justJanne;Let liberals and communists fight in parliament.
1138393;1432025950;mircea_popescu;99% of the 1%s you can ignore. the other 1%...
1138394;1432025962;justJanne;The winner of the box fight gets to make a paw.
1138395;1432025963;justJanne;*law
1138396;1432025975;trinque;so you get an incomprehensible society
1138397;1432025987;mircea_popescu;justJanne that there is an apparent need for new laws already invalidates the entire proposition of having a state in the first place.
1138398;1432025997;mircea_popescu;either come up with a contract and stick to it, or go home.
1138399;1432026008;justJanne;mircea_popescu: not really — most of the laws are adapting existing situations.
1138400;1432026010;mircea_popescu;im not going for these ARM bankruptcy mortgage deals.
1138401;1432026011;mircea_popescu;no.
1138402;1432026021;justJanne;Yes?
1138403;1432026023;mircea_popescu;either you have the whole contract written down, or i'm not signing.
1138404;1432026028;mircea_popescu;and you don't get to have a state.
1138405;1432026050;mircea_popescu;no parliament has the authority to make new law. ever.
1138406;1432026054;justJanne;Again, if you want, you can move out.
1138407;1432026060;mircea_popescu;no, you move out.
1138408;1432026073;justJanne;Unless the majority is for a law.
1138409;1432026074;williamdunne;If you don't move out of Germany I will rape you
1138410;1432026080;mircea_popescu;i don't care if it's unanimity.
1138411;1432026086;mircea_popescu;you're taking your stupid shit to somewhere not near me.
1138412;1432026089;justJanne;Then the minority can decide if they want to move out or accept it.
1138413;1432026093;mircea_popescu;mnope.
1138414;1432026100;mircea_popescu;the majority can make sense or get lost.
1138415;1432026103;justJanne;So start a rebellion.
1138416;1432026114;williamdunne;In which case you get shot
1138417;1432026115;mircea_popescu;and here we are.
1138418;1432026115;justJanne;We'll see how it works out. Hint: it won't.
1138419;1432026124;mircea_popescu;i've been in open rebellion for years now.
1138420;1432026124;justJanne;Meh.
1138421;1432026125;mircea_popescu;works just fine.,
1138422;1432026133;mircea_popescu;and if it doesn't, fuckall and i dun care.
1138423;1432026140;justJanne;Open rebellion?
1138424;1432026146;justJanne;So, you don't pay taxes or anything?
1138425;1432026147;williamdunne;Public in other words
1138426;1432026167;justJanne;Or do you support the parliament that, according to you, never should make new laws?
1138427;1432026167;williamdunne;He pays taxes to the most serene republic IIRC
1138428;1432026173;mircea_popescu;justJanne http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ < start there.
1138429;1432026233;williamdunne;+1
1138430;1432026233;williamdunne;And then GPG contracts
1138431;1432026233;williamdunne;Kinda explains the no-laws thing
1138432;1432026242;williamdunne;http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/
1138433;1432026303;justJanne;Ah, that kind of "I question your authority" letter.
1138434;1432026303;mircea_popescu;but anyway : i, personally, pay no taxes. agents i own pay taxes in the jurisdictions i've incorporated them in, as you'd expect.
1138435;1432026303;mircea_popescu;which is what the deal is.
1138436;1432026303;mircea_popescu;and if the deal changes, they dissolve an' that's that.
1138437;1432026303;justJanne;Ah.
1138438;1432026303;justJanne;So, are you using roads? Water supply?
1138439;1432026316;williamdunne;Pisses in rivers
1138440;1432026323;mircea_popescu;i am buying access to anything i feel like.
1138441;1432026351;justJanne;Do you use any public roads?
1138442;1432026354;justJanne;I ask again.
1138443;1432026356;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1138444;1432026365;justJanne;Then you are committing theft.
1138445;1432026369;mircea_popescu;according to whom ?
1138446;1432026373;justJanne;As you stated before you aren't paying for them.
1138447;1432026377;williamdunne;Retard
1138448;1432026379;williamdunne;lol
1138449;1432026382;mircea_popescu;are you commiting theft when those volunteer firemen come put your hair out ?
1138450;1432026390;justJanne;No.
1138451;1432026399;williamdunne;"Who will build the roads!11"
1138452;1432026404;mircea_popescu;but you were extolling the virtues of not paying for their work a moment ago.
1138453;1432026407;justJanne;But the roads in the country you live in are for you to use, in return you pay taxes.
1138454;1432026412;williamdunne;If private companies can't build roads, they shouldn't exist
1138455;1432026416;mircea_popescu;i don't recall signing this deal.
1138456;1432026419;williamdunne;The state removed the market for them
1138457;1432026422;justJanne;Ofc private companies can build roads.
1138458;1432026427;justJanne;They do all the time.
1138459;1432026441;williamdunne;Ok, well state enforced monopoly doesn't justify theft, no more than my ejaculate justifies rape
1138460;1432026444;mircea_popescu;the notion that some govt owns the roads, seriously...
1138461;1432026447;justJanne;A danish private company just builds a tunnel to Germany right now.
1138462;1432026452;mircea_popescu;listen, is merkel paying you for using the public space ?
1138463;1432026494;williamdunne;justJanne: Right, this is the point. We didn't choose for Gov to build roads and would pay tolls if owned by private companies
1138464;1432026503;justJanne;See?
1138465;1432026507;williamdunne;Well, I would
1138466;1432026508;justJanne;Taxes are just tolls, too.
1138467;1432026511;mircea_popescu;no.
1138468;1432026514;williamdunne;No, they aren't
1138469;1432026514;justJanne;Yes.
1138470;1432026516;mircea_popescu;GOTTA SIGN A DEAL!11
1138471;1432026521;justJanne;No.
1138472;1432026522;mircea_popescu;you don't get to foist some random "law" on me.
1138473;1432026526;justJanne;There are implicit deals.
1138474;1432026530;mircea_popescu;you come up with a deal, if i agree you get away with it.
1138475;1432026530;justJanne;Like ToS.
1138476;1432026533;mircea_popescu;no such thing.
1138477;1432026538;williamdunne;I click "I agree to the ToS"
1138478;1432026542;justJanne;Not always.
1138479;1432026547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00029061 = 5.5361 BTC [+]
1138480;1432026547;williamdunne;I don't click "I agree to give up 40% of my income"
1138481;1432026553;mircea_popescu;there.is.no.such.thing.as."implicit".deals.
1138482;1432026558;justJanne;Did you click "I agree to Freenode"'s ToS, ever?
1138483;1432026568;williamdunne;I drive onto a tollroad, pay them for that
1138484;1432026570;justJanne;And still you are subject to them.
1138485;1432026573;mircea_popescu;justJanne listen, you agree women that dress sluttily should be fucked byu whoever feels like ?
1138486;1432026578;mircea_popescu;because hey, implicit deal.
1138487;1432026580;williamdunne;^+1
1138488;1432026588;mircea_popescu;they don't want the cock, they shouldn't have clicked the short skirt tos.
1138489;1432026589;justJanne;Oh, THAT argument again.
1138490;1432026598;mircea_popescu;we had it befoar ?
1138491;1432026611;justJanne;Your argument is retarded.
1138492;1432026613;williamdunne;Comparing freenode to government is a little ridiculous, don't you think?
1138493;1432026616;justJanne;Please try to find another one.
1138494;1432026620;mircea_popescu;looky : there are no implicit deals. ever.
1138495;1432026621;justJanne;williamdunne: not really.
1138496;1432026627;williamdunne;justJanne: yes, really
1138497;1432026634;justJanne;How?
1138498;1432026642;williamdunne;Freenode asks for nothing from me
1138499;1432026651;justJanne;Yet.
1138500;1432026658;williamdunne;And if they do I will move
1138501;1432026661;williamdunne;If the deal changes..
1138502;1432026666;justJanne;See?
1138503;1432026669;williamdunne;But moving from freenode is a click
1138504;1432026674;williamdunne;Not a flight, not leaving family etc
1138505;1432026676;justJanne;Same with countries. If the deal changes, you can move.
1138506;1432026681;williamdunne;These two things are not the same
1138507;1432026696;justJanne;Moving from Freenode isn't easy either.
1138508;1432026699;williamdunne;Yes it is
1138509;1432026700;mircea_popescu;whoever changes the deal moves.
1138510;1432026706;mircea_popescu;not he who stayed true.
1138511;1432026706;justJanne;You have to convince all your peers to move, too
1138512;1432026714;mircea_popescu;government wants to change the rules, IT HAS TO MOVE.
1138513;1432026717;justJanne;All your friends, channels, etc.
1138514;1432026731;justJanne;Or leave them behind.
1138515;1432026732;williamdunne;I have to convince people to make some clicks, not hard if freenode implements a tax
1138516;1432026743;justJanne;depends.
1138517;1432026748;justJanne;Look at whatsapp.
1138518;1432026753;justJanne;They introduced a "tax"
1138519;1432026758;justJanne;And people still stayed there.
1138520;1432026764;justJanne;It's a similar situation.
1138521;1432026778;williamdunne;Very different userbase
1138522;1432026780;trinque;the fuck whatsapp is a government now
1138523;1432026782;trinque;stahhhhhp
1138524;1432026784;williamdunne;Apparently
1138525;1432026792;mircea_popescu;the fact that someone did something stupid does not make the stupid thing right.
1138526;1432026807;justJanne;You want governments to sign contracts with all citizen, what's more realistic?
1138527;1432026809;williamdunne;Apparently moving IRC servers and tos are equivalent to the violent rule of gov
1138528;1432026812;mircea_popescu;and what "the people" do or don't do is no basis for either law or sense.
1138529;1432026821;mircea_popescu;justJanne it's not a matter of "realistic"
1138530;1432026824;justJanne;It is the only basis.
1138531;1432026831;mircea_popescu;according to whom ?
1138532;1432026847;justJanne;According to every not-retarded politician, ever?
1138533;1432026854;mircea_popescu;the only realistic thing is to eat raw meat and dress in dead children.
1138534;1432026865;mircea_popescu;nutty bs. who ever asked any politician anything for crying out loud.
1138535;1432026868;justJanne;All politicians who said the opposite ended up as dictators.
1138536;1432026877;williamdunne;mm kinda
1138537;1432026878;williamdunne;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/98/91/41/989141191ba1fcd499973dc4fec66f10.jpg
1138538;1432026938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20036 @ 0.00027971 = 5.6043 BTC [-]
1138539;1432026938;mircea_popescu;what are you, going through the non sequitur book in order ?
1138540;1432026938;justJanne;-.-
1138541;1432026938;justJanne;Guys, please take some college courses in economy, politics, and philosophy.
1138542;1432026938;mircea_popescu;"ima call anyone that doesn't promote socialism a dictator and then say that not being socialist makes dictators"
1138543;1432026938;mircea_popescu;sure, it does. well done.
1138544;1432026938;mircea_popescu;might as well have the same argument about believing in christ and move to 1555 to be a nun.
1138545;1432026938;williamdunne;I want no leaders = dictator
1138546;1432026938;justJanne;It's hard to argue with you when you ask the same questions over and over again, and just goalpost all he time
1138547;1432026938;davout;justJanne: you sure have lots of stamina points
1138548;1432026956;williamdunne;davout: she's burning mana for the energy regen spell
1138549;1432026981;mircea_popescu;justJanne the reason it is hard to argue is because the list of places where your ideas fail is about eighteen entries long by now, and you're not directly interested in examining the holes and fixing your head, but instead would prefer us to somehow accept the nonsense.
1138550;1432026997;mircea_popescu;try the other tack, it'll go a lot easier.
1138551;1432027016;justJanne;There are holes, but the result still works better than any alternative.
1138552;1432027026;justJanne;Again, I have no issue with your system.
1138553;1432027036;justJanne;If you want, you can try it as a state.
1138554;1432027044;justJanne;Declare independency, make your own laws.
1138555;1432027047;williamdunne;We're already doing so
1138556;1432027051;williamdunne;*Have done
1138557;1432027051;williamdunne;Well
1138558;1432027052;mircea_popescu;this is kinda old by now, but yes.
1138559;1432027052;justJanne;We'll see in 30 years how it ends.
1138560;1432027057;williamdunne;I say we, I'm not involved
1138561;1432027072;mircea_popescu;if there's still a germany in 30 years, it may see how itshould behave and copy us, yes.
1138562;1432027078;williamdunne;justJanne: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
1138563;1432027138;mircea_popescu;if there isn't, a well. you're lucky enough to have come in early.
1138564;1432027138;justJanne;In other news,
1138565;1432027138;williamdunne;justJanne: Declaration of sovereignty
1138566;1432027138;justJanne;Denmark stopped printing cash last week.
1138567;1432027138;mircea_popescu;williamdunne quick : what's the difference between "Declaration of sovereignty" and "Declaration of independence" ?
1138568;1432027138;justJanne;From 2017 on, Denmark plans to do everything via digital money transfers.
1138569;1432027138;trinque;where's danielpbarron, it's the mark of the beast
1138570;1432027138;justJanne;No matter how, or using what currency.
1138571;1432027138;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: No clue, tbh
1138572;1432027144;mircea_popescu;the latter recognises the sovereignty of the entity it secedes from. the former does not.
1138573;1432027163;williamdunne;Ah, well I prefer the former in this case then
1138574;1432027175;mircea_popescu;which is how it got to be htere.
1138575;1432027191;mircea_popescu;justJanne you know i use cash almost exclusively ?
1138576;1432027205;mircea_popescu;funny to do here, too, a brick is worth like 800 bucks or so.
1138577;1432027229;davout;justJanne: btw, how did you end up here?
1138578;1432027250;mircea_popescu;hn
1138579;1432027257;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Wondered, can you not get a lot more for your money if you pay with USD? Or would that get you shot?
1138580;1432027270;justJanne;davout: discussion about RSA, tbh.
1138581;1432027275;mircea_popescu;williamdunne official dollar is 8.6 pesos, unoficcial like 13.
1138582;1432027299;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, they pay like 10% less for 20 dollar bills. only want 100s.
1138583;1432027309;mircea_popescu;which iirc don't even exist in the us.
1138584;1432027315;williamdunne;Wait what?
1138585;1432027324;mircea_popescu;yup
1138586;1432027324;williamdunne;Are they official mintage or..?
1138587;1432027328;mircea_popescu;yup.
1138588;1432027338;williamdunne;Sorta like the £1,000,000 note in the UK I guess
1138589;1432027360;justJanne;mircea_popescu: in Denmark, almost all transfers are digital anyway. As the official system is cheaper, faster, and easier than bitcoin even.
1138590;1432027367;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> which iirc don't even exist in the us. << 100's still exist here
1138591;1432027371;mircea_popescu;and reported. i would never use it.
1138592;1432027374;williamdunne;justJanne: well ofc
1138593;1432027380;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo forcing a point.
1138594;1432027382;williamdunne;justJanne: bitcoin isn't that cheap or fast
1138595;1432027403;williamdunne;Well, it is currently pretty cheap and fast
1138596;1432027410;williamdunne;But it shouldn't be compared to centralized systems
1138597;1432027415;mircea_popescu;the idea that i'd allow a third party to look into my accounts... what the fuck is this, the future ?
1138598;1432027416;williamdunne;Thats just the derpery of governments
1138599;1432027424;BingoBoingo;It prolly won't bee too long before they bring back 100,000 bills with the Woodrow Wilson and everything
1138600;1432027426;justJanne;They aren't really centralized either.
1138601;1432027433;justJanne;More like a web of hundreds of central points
1138602;1432027441;mircea_popescu;that's centralized.
1138603;1432027442;justJanne;While bitcoin has millions of nodes.
1138604;1432027444;williamdunne;Central bank decentralized now?
1138605;1432027463;justJanne;Denmark has no digital central bank — the money flows from node to node.
1138606;1432027472;trinque;the point is the fucking records
1138607;1432027474;justJanne;I can send money to another merchant without it ever touching a bank
1138608;1432027477;trinque;not how many buildings they have
1138609;1432027481;mircea_popescu;i don't think you understand what centralized-decentralized mean.
1138610;1432027496;justJanne;Just because my money is only a cryptographic signature on my credit card.
1138611;1432027513;williamdunne;justJanne: How is current issuance handled then? Banks trusted to issue their authorised balance?
1138612;1432027532;williamdunne;I know in the UK it works with central bank reserve/payment accounts
1138613;1432027540;williamdunne;Which all settlement systems are built on top of
1138614;1432027541;justJanne;Kinda.
1138615;1432027557;justJanne;The thing is, the reason why German debit cards don't work in any other place,
1138616;1432027557;williamdunne;Just another meta layer
1138617;1432027574;justJanne;Is because they store the money as a cryptographically signed transaction history on the card.
1138618;1432027583;trinque;how about less this bullshit and more on the definition of centralized vs decentralized
1138619;1432027632;mircea_popescu;im really curious what'll come of this.
1138620;1432027669;mircea_popescu;clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ?
1138621;1432027682;trinque;been all day
1138622;1432027688;mircea_popescu;what is it, 1k by now ?
1138623;1432027711;mircea_popescu;545. nevertheless a record i think ?
1138624;1432027760;williamdunne;From the frequency of messages don't think she even read the GPG contracts etc, let alone historical logs
1138625;1432027802;justJanne;Hmm.
1138626;1432027827;justJanne;I wonder how much calculation power it would take to break 4096-bit RSA.
1138627;1432027852;mircea_popescu;williamdunne skimming, it's how intelligent kids end up coping with school.
1138628;1432027866;mircea_popescu;horrible habit, but what are yo ugoing to do.
1138629;1432027872;mircea_popescu;can't shoot the retards amirite.
1138630;1432027882;williamdunne;I've been trying to break that habit, think I'm about there
1138631;1432027890;justJanne;I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks.
1138632;1432027913;trinque;we're not gonna get a definition of centralized/decentralized
1138633;1432027947;justJanne;decentralized is a system where all nodes are equal.
1138634;1432027947;williamdunne;Too much effort for her to google
1138635;1432027955;williamdunne;..
1138636;1432027956;justJanne;It's as easy as that.
1138637;1432027961;mircea_popescu;it's not, no.
1138638;1432027968;justJanne;Yes, it is.
1138639;1432027970;williamdunne;Are all nodes in bitcoin equal? News to me
1138640;1432027983;mircea_popescu;justJanne da fuck do you mean "yes it is".
1138641;1432027992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36164 @ 0.00027707 = 10.02 BTC [-]
1138642;1432027992;mircea_popescu;what do you take yourself for, some sort of equal or something ?
1138643;1432027998;justJanne;Any homogenous graph is decentralized.
1138644;1432028007;mircea_popescu;that's true for graphs.
1138645;1432028021;justJanne;Every web of nodes is just a graph.
1138646;1432028024;mircea_popescu;but in graph theory, decentralized is a term of art.
1138647;1432028033;mircea_popescu;no, it's not. because the map is not the territory.
1138648;1432028062;justJanne;A web of nodes is a graph, as a graph, per definition, is just a set of nodes, and a set of relations between nodes.
1138649;1432028078;mircea_popescu;do you understand what "the map is not the territory" means ?
1138650;1432028085;trinque;what's the command structure of the society within which your decentralized banks operate?
1138651;1432028140;justJanne;The banks aren't either fully centralized, nor fully decentralized. Anyone can just open a bank, the question is if other banks will accept money from your customers as payment, as they don't know if they can trust your cryptographic signature.
1138652;1432028153;trinque;the fuck is this where they're both or neither
1138653;1432028199;williamdunne;"anyone can just open a bank" < or rly?
1138654;1432028201;justJanne;It's the same as minimum and smallest, two completely different definitions.
1138655;1432028216;mircea_popescu;so what is "Danmarks Nationalbank" then ?
1138656;1432028240;justJanne;I'm currently talking about northern Germany, as I don't know the internals of Denmark, it's the same, though.
1138657;1432028259;justJanne;There is a difference between the printed money and and the way digital money works.
1138658;1432028270;trinque;the whole EU sounds like what they do in portland tech companies
1138659;1432028278;trinque;where everyone smiles and no one's like, your boss, man
1138660;1432028279;justJanne;GeldKarte is one example.
1138661;1432028290;mircea_popescu;you don't know but it's the same ?
1138662;1432028298;justJanne;Person A can pay person B, person B can pay person C
1138663;1432028308;trinque;the banks are totally decentralized because they've got various sub-departments of some huge central authority
1138664;1432028308;justJanne;All this while they are completely offline.
1138665;1432028314;mircea_popescu;trinque depends who's describing it ya know ?
1138666;1432028319;justJanne;Okay, again, please listen.
1138667;1432028327;trinque;of course
1138668;1432028330;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^
1138669;1432028335;justJanne;Imagine we have 3 people, completely offline.
1138670;1432028339;mircea_popescu;okay.
1138671;1432028340;justJanne;A pays person B money.
1138672;1432028346;justJanne;Person B pays person C money.
1138673;1432028352;justJanne;(All through GeldKarte)
1138674;1432028360;mircea_popescu;which is offline throughout.
1138675;1432028368;justJanne;yes.
1138676;1432028373;mircea_popescu;go on.
1138677;1432028377;justJanne;Person C now goes online and can spend the money.
1138678;1432028386;mircea_popescu;what happens in the following scenario :
1138679;1432028395;justJanne;You can transfer money offline, and it is valid.
1138680;1432028399;mircea_popescu;b has no money. a gives him 100 moneys. b sends 100 money to C and 100 money to D.
1138681;1432028407;mircea_popescu;can c and d each now spend 100 ?
1138682;1432028412;justJanne;No.
1138683;1432028415;mircea_popescu;because ?
1138684;1432028427;justJanne;They can't spend anything, as the last two statements are invalid.
1138685;1432028445;justJanne;You have at the beginning 0 money.
1138686;1432028446;mircea_popescu;show, don't tell.
1138687;1432028457;williamdunne;Thats pretty impractical
1138688;1432028467;justJanne;Your card stores a list of cryptographically signed money from the sender.
1138689;1432028483;justJanne;So, I send you money, by sending you a cryptographically signed info "I sent you n money"
1138690;1432028483;mircea_popescu;justJanne yes. so i copy that list and send money to 500 people
1138691;1432028494;justJanne;You can't.
1138692;1432028497;mircea_popescu;because why not ?
1138693;1432028521;justJanne;Copying is prevented through unique salts for each transaction.
1138694;1432028524;mircea_popescu;derp.
1138695;1432028532;mircea_popescu;if i can send money to either a or b
1138696;1432028539;mircea_popescu;then necessarily i can send to both. so i do. what now.
1138697;1432028551;punkman;justJanne: I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks. << lolwut
1138698;1432028554;justJanne;Then the last person receiving it won't be able to use it.
1138699;1432028555;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you what now : whoever gets first online spends it.
1138700;1432028560;williamdunne;justJanne: Do you have a paper or something for this?
1138701;1432028562;punkman;GeldKarte > "This system is protected against double-spending by not allowing the user to read the keys from their smart card."
1138702;1432028565;mircea_popescu;the other fails, the bank gets alerted that this was copied and the police shows up
1138703;1432028572;mircea_popescu;denmark has got a stupid, centralist bitcoin.
1138704;1432028578;justJanne;Yup.
1138705;1432028587;justJanne;It existed 10 years before bitcoin, though.
1138706;1432028588;williamdunne;Oh
1138707;1432028589;mircea_popescu;it will never work. the only reason its not being raped wide open is because atm nobody gives a shit about swine country.
1138708;1432028597;williamdunne;Nevermind, I'll ignore the paper that is derpy
1138709;1432028602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.0002832 = 19.555 BTC [+] {2} 
1138710;1432028608;williamdunne;Can you use this card for luxury purchases?
1138711;1432028615;punkman;" Funds cannot move freely within the system. They can move from a bank  account (or cash) to a Geldkarte. From there, they can only be moved to a  merchant's card and from the merchant's card, they can only go to the  merchant's bank account."
1138712;1432028618;mircea_popescu;punkman because this can be done now.
1138713;1432028626;justJanne;that's an old article then.
1138714;1432028630;williamdunne;i.e cars, jewellery etc
1138715;1432028640;justJanne;Or it was a different system.
1138716;1432028651;justJanne;Because we have so many different debit card companies >_>
1138717;1432028656;mircea_popescu;justJanne odds are you just had a superificial understanding of it.
1138718;1432028660;williamdunne;Which surely rely on banks
1138719;1432028672;justJanne;GeldKarte, EC Karte, etc.
1138720;1432028700;justJanne;so, williamdunne, your question:
1138721;1432028710;mircea_popescu;anyway, denmark is probably the best example of usistan. "The worlds largest public sector (30% of the entire workforce on a full-time basis) is financed by the world's highest taxes."
1138722;1432028724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00028957 = 8.2093 BTC [+]
1138723;1432028725;justJanne;The company is SciEngines GmbH (they have a Wikipedia article)
1138724;1432028787;trinque;man... justJanne you have recalibrated me for tolerating canadians
1138725;1432028797;mircea_popescu;lmao
1138726;1432028819;justJanne;mircea_popescu: the Nordics still pay about the same taxes as the US, but you get free healthcare, free college, welfare, and an almost unregulated market.
1138727;1432028834;justJanne;You pay like 6% more.
1138728;1432028841;mircea_popescu;justJanne how much have you travelled ? outside of the eu i mean
1138729;1432028841;justJanne;Definitely worth it.
1138730;1432028860;justJanne;I haven't travelled outside EU yet. Never had the money to do so.
1138731;1432028873;justJanne;Parents aren't exactly rich xD
1138732;1432028883;mircea_popescu;aha. well the thing is, the books you read are kinda deliberately written so as to make you think you're in the best possible place.
1138733;1432028892;mircea_popescu;what are you doing this summer ?
1138734;1432028899;justJanne;(And no, without free college I couldn't go to university.)
1138735;1432028918;justJanne;This summer? I'll work on several open source projects, like the IRC client I use right now.
1138736;1432028940;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes trinque hey lot, if i buy her plane tickets do you show her portland ? a week or so ?
1138737;1432028945;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine she takes up much space.
1138738;1432028958;trinque;ha sure why not
1138739;1432028963;mircea_popescu;justJanne you wanna go ?
1138740;1432028998;justJanne;Nah thanks, don't wanna go into a country where anyone can be declared terrorist and stripped of their rights
1138741;1432029008;williamdunne;justJanne: Don't need university
1138742;1432029013;trinque;portland would be too capitalist for her
1138743;1432029021;justJanne;(Yes, the laws in Germany apply to all "people", not just citizens)
1138744;1432029030;trinque;there should be a lot less citizens.
1138745;1432029058;justJanne;Already happening.
1138746;1432029074;justJanne;Germany has a child per family rate of 1.4
1138747;1432029082;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1138748;1432029089;justJanne;So far below the replacement rate of 2.25
1138749;1432029095;justJanne;All the Nordics have 1.4, too
1138750;1432029106;mircea_popescu;clearly the system works and is sustainable.
1138751;1432029112;justJanne;Automatically shrinking the population to a point where it is sustainable.
1138752;1432029119;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1138753;1432029120;williamdunne;Yes, plenty of children to pay for their communist parents
1138754;1432029127;trinque;I don't buy it
1138755;1432029131;mircea_popescu;or to a point where the muslims can just come in and rape you stupid lot into shape.,
1138756;1432029134;mircea_popescu;either way
1138757;1432029268;justJanne;They are already here.
1138758;1432029282;justJanne;19% of the population are foreigners and migrants
1138759;1432029313;mircea_popescu;how's the female circumcision factor ?
1138760;1432029358;justJanne;Approx 0
1138761;1432029385;justJanne;You don't get it without a degree and a guarantee for a job, and the circumcised people rarely have the qualifications anyway
1138762;1432029391;justJanne;*don't get in
1138763;1432029451;mircea_popescu;http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/female-circumcision-now-a-growing-problem-in-germany/2013/02/06/
1138764;1432029511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55299 @ 0.00028957 = 16.0129 BTC [+]
1138765;1432029511;mircea_popescu;Germany is home to at least 24,000 women from African countries who've undergone female circumcision (as reported by DW in 2004)
1138766;1432029511;mircea_popescu;prolly 100k by now ?
1138767;1432029516;chetty;ouch, you makes me squirm
1138768;1432029521;justJanne;Not really.
1138769;1432029521;justJanne;Almost no immigration since then.
1138770;1432029521;justJanne;The largest wave of immigration was in the 70s and 80s
1138771;1432029532;justJanne;So, 24 thousand immigrants are mutilated.
1138772;1432029544;justJanne;And we pay them free healthcare to fix it.
1138773;1432029552;williamdunne;How do you fix it?
1138774;1432029552;mircea_popescu;o you're gonna fix it ?
1138775;1432029561;mircea_popescu;damn i like the nordic model more and more
1138776;1432029565;mircea_popescu;williamdunne shut up they're fixing it.
1138777;1432029568;justJanne;That's no a problem.
1138778;1432029582;williamdunne;Sorry Charles about hacking your head off, I'll stitch it back on in just a jiffy! Universal healthcare ftw
1138779;1432029587;mircea_popescu;chetty imagine, that's like a quarter ton of bits ?
1138780;1432029596;justJanne;Ofc it is shit.
1138781;1432029612;mircea_popescu;justJanne maybe it's good for you, how do you know ?
1138782;1432029618;mircea_popescu;i thought all people should have equal chances.
1138783;1432029619;justJanne;But again, those are immigrants — they moved here decades after they were mutilated.
1138784;1432029630;mircea_popescu;and you know this the same way it was 0, right ?
1138785;1432029641;justJanne;No.
1138786;1432029652;justJanne;But I know this because your quote and your article say it.
1138787;1432029670;justJanne;People, immigrants, from African countries, who got mutilated and then moved here
1138788;1432029703;justJanne;So no, it's not a German issue. We still try to do our best to fix the mistakes someone else did.
1138789;1432029721;davout;the logs are soon going to be harder to catch up on than the very fucking blockchain
1138790;1432029740;williamdunne;Have you looked at name-first log synchronization?
1138791;1432029744;mircea_popescu;davout we just made larger logblocks, how you like it ?
1138792;1432029761;mircea_popescu;justJanne didn't you say all people should be equal ?
1138793;1432029764;davout;well, adoption is on the rise, so what can i say
1138794;1432029767;mircea_popescu;how are these migrants any worse than you ?
1138795;1432029773;mircea_popescu;maybe you should try the mutilation thing.
1138796;1432029816;williamdunne;Socialism to me does seem a lot like the "no kid left behind" school bullshit that appeals to the lowest common denominator and lowers the median
1138797;1432029832;justJanne;You got it wrong.
1138798;1432029834;mircea_popescu;in any case the poor girls without the bits can't grow them back up, so in order for everyone to have equal chances at an orgasm, off with your clit!
1138799;1432029841;justJanne;It lowers the average, but increases the median
1138800;1432029845;mircea_popescu;and because the government can alter the deal, here, it's a new law now.
1138801;1432029848;mircea_popescu;enjoy socialism!
1138802;1432029855;williamdunne;justJanne: Median is average
1138803;1432029858;justJanne;No.
1138804;1432029866;justJanne;Average is the sum divided by the amount.
1138805;1432029867;mircea_popescu;she has a point. it does lower the average but increase the median
1138806;1432029871;mircea_popescu;which is EXACTLY what the problem is.
1138807;1432029872;justJanne;Median is the middle person.
1138808;1432029892;mircea_popescu;places with high medians are places not worth living in.
1138809;1432029901;justJanne;That's what you think.
1138810;1432029902;mircea_popescu;the entire point of life is diferentiation from the median.
1138811;1432029907;mircea_popescu;of course it is, that's why i say it.
1138812;1432029914;justJanne;I think places with low median aren't worth living in.
1138813;1432029922;williamdunne;http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm
1138814;1432029982;mircea_popescu;the difference being that this isn't what you think,
1138815;1432029982;mircea_popescu;just what you've been told to think.
1138816;1432029982;justJanne;williamdunne: please take stochastics 101 at a university,
1138817;1432029982;justJanne;You'll know what mean and average are.
1138818;1432029985;mircea_popescu;stochastics 101 o.O ?!
1138819;1432029996;mircea_popescu;this actually is a thing ?!
1138820;1432030000;williamdunne;Sounds like a musician "Stoch"
1138821;1432030001;justJanne;Introduction into stochastic, yeah.
1138822;1432030005;williamdunne;And he's German most likely
1138823;1432030007;williamdunne;So it fits
1138824;1432030015;justJanne;Theoretical statistics.
1138825;1432030021;mircea_popescu;but this in physics ? as in, stochastics mechanics ?
1138826;1432030029;mircea_popescu;oh.
1138827;1432030029;justJanne;No.
1138828;1432030029;williamdunne;"Did you see Stoch's latest concert? It was Stochastic!"
1138829;1432030033;mircea_popescu;so statistics 101 ?
1138830;1432030036;justJanne;No.
1138831;1432030046;justJanne;Statistics is different.
1138832;1432030050;mircea_popescu;can you link the course ?
1138833;1432030066;justJanne;I'm on mobile, sadly no.
1138834;1432030073;justJanne;Also, it would be in German anyway.
1138835;1432030076;mircea_popescu;!s kiel
1138836;1432030077;assbot;0 results for 'kiel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kiel
1138837;1432030084;mircea_popescu;you may not speak french, but i do read german nooblet.
1138838;1432030126;mircea_popescu;http://www.math.uni-kiel.de/numerik/kallsen/lehre/ss-2015/sem-sto-finmath/sem-sto-finmath.php this ?
1138839;1432030186;justJanne;Nah.
1138840;1432030186;justJanne;That's a master module.
1138841;1432030186;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1138842;1432030186;justJanne;Uni Köln has a nice transcript.
1138843;1432030186;justJanne;The mathematicians in Kiel still refuse to use calculators or computers.
1138844;1432030186;mircea_popescu;i thought you went to kiel.
1138845;1432030189;justJanne;I do.
1138846;1432030207;justJanne;But Kiel's mathematicians refuse to put anything on the public web.
1138847;1432030220;justJanne;You can get it if you are in their intranet, though.
1138848;1432030221;mircea_popescu;lol
1138849;1432030227;williamdunne;setup a proxy to the intranet
1138850;1432030234;justJanne;They have.
1138851;1432030241;williamdunne;No a public one
1138852;1432030249;justJanne;Nope.
1138853;1432030258;mircea_popescu;what, you want her to end up in aaron schwartz's cell ?
1138854;1432030267;justJanne;As access to the intranet is bound through X.509 to a user account
1138855;1432030288;williamdunne;A university dedicate to not sharing information, not very socialist of them
1138856;1432030300;justJanne;Anyway, we are going way off topic.
1138857;1432030311;williamdunne;Yes, we should be discussing bitcoin assets
1138858;1432030317;davout;justJanne: for like 12 hours now...
1138859;1432030318;justJanne;Not that far.
1138860;1432030340;mircea_popescu;speaking of the broke ass pki, http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/a-look-at-the-gnutls-x-509-verification-code-flaw/
1138861;1432030400;justJanne;Anyway, why are we still arguing? I said I have no issue with you trying to build your state system, I just don't believe it will last, and you guys spending 14h trying to convince me the system I like most is shit.
1138862;1432030442;mircea_popescu;the problem isn't that we're going "off topic", as there isn't a topic. the problem is that you very badly suck at most verbal and cognitive tasks. but hopefully we've run the gamut by now.
1138863;1432030464;chetty;I havent read the whole log but I am curious, is anyone trying to convince, or just stating facts?
1138864;1432030479;justJanne;Mostly stating facts.
1138865;1432030489;davout;*ahem*
1138866;1432030495;justJanne;Mostly.
1138867;1432030501;mircea_popescu;most of the discussion flows as "comonly held belief 1" "why" "because 2" "why" "because 3" why" "because 1.1" etc
1138868;1432030544;mircea_popescu;anyway, nothing a summer's worth of lurk moar can't fix.
1138869;1432030546;justJanne;The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions.
1138870;1432030560;williamdunne;Thats what happens when you talk to a group of people
1138871;1432030571;mircea_popescu;we suck at being a cult.
1138872;1432030573;justJanne;And combined, these people's opinions would cancel each other our.
1138873;1432030579;justJanne;*out
1138874;1432030593;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1138875;1432030597;williamdunne;Ey?
1138876;1432030606;justJanne;Yes.
1138877;1432030628;trinque;we are all different forces on different vectors and we cancel out?
1138878;1432030631;justJanne;Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for the decisions of their ancestors, they can even be punished for them.
1138879;1432030645;justJanne;Some others said taxes are bad, because you personally aren't responsible for them.
1138880;1432030655;justJanne;Combined, the statements are nuts.
1138881;1432030706;williamdunne;Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for the decisions of their ancestors, they can even be punished for them. <<< who actually said this, I'm curious about the justification
1138882;1432030708;mircea_popescu;justJanne the impression you get comes from you observing what's being said with too broad a brush.
1138883;1432030745;justJanne;williamdunne: it was used as defense against my argument that "children should have equal chances, no matter if their parents are poor or rich"
1138884;1432030762;mircea_popescu;for instance, i didn't say people should be punished for what ancestors did. you conflated two statements : 1) that you can't expect me to pay for the poor behaviour of one's ancestors and 2) that i punish people by what they are rather than they wish to be.
1138885;1432030768;williamdunne;What was the actual answer, because not giving them equal chances is very different
1138886;1432030769;justJanne;Because I said "people aren't responsible for the actions of their ancestors"
1138887;1432030771;mircea_popescu;these have precise and rather subtle meanings, is all.
1138888;1432030796;justJanne;So, people should be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors.
1138889;1432030799;williamdunne;Yeah thats what I expected
1138890;1432030799;williamdunne;No
1138891;1432030802;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between punishment and responsibility.
1138892;1432030806;justJanne;But they shouldn't.
1138893;1432030817;mircea_popescu;moreover, the situation where you're poor because daddy was a drunk is neither your punishment nor your responsibility.
1138894;1432030821;mircea_popescu;it is, merely, YOUR SITUATION.
1138895;1432030825;mircea_popescu;improve it and that's that.
1138896;1432030826;williamdunne;We're not all equal, but I don't want to make it worse for you
1138897;1432030840;justJanne;Okay, so, mircea_popescu, taxes are the same
1138898;1432030848;mircea_popescu;the same needs two operands.
1138899;1432030864;justJanne;The situation that you live in a place with taxes is neither your punishment nor you'd responsibility.
1138900;1432030872;justJanne;It is, merely, Your situation.
1138901;1432030874;williamdunne;Yes it is
1138902;1432030876;mircea_popescu;i don't live in a place owned by someone else.
1138903;1432030878;williamdunne;Its a punishment
1138904;1432030881;williamdunne;Its an active force
1138905;1432030883;justJanne;How so?
1138906;1432030888;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "how" ?
1138907;1432030891;williamdunne;If you don't pay someone rapes you
1138908;1432030898;justJanne;Where is the difference between having to pay the debts of your parents
1138909;1432030901;williamdunne;If you're poor.. you can't do something, but nothing actually happens
1138910;1432030904;justJanne;And having to pay taxes.
1138911;1432030913;williamdunne;Who says you pay your parents debt?
1138912;1432030914;mircea_popescu;the debts of your parents is a novel development, wasn't discussed before.
1138913;1432030926;justJanne;It is part of the poor debate.
1138914;1432030932;mircea_popescu;apparently it's not.
1138915;1432030936;williamdunne;No it isn't, no one should inherit debt
1138916;1432030940;justJanne;May those debts be monetary, or indirect.
1138917;1432030950;mircea_popescu;you don't get to call any negative number "a debt"
1138918;1432030951;justJanne;williamdunne: and what is with indirect debt?
1138919;1432030954;mircea_popescu;the word has a specific meaning.
1138920;1432030960;williamdunne;What are we calling indirect debt?
1138921;1432030978;justJanne;When your parents are so piss poor you have to work as a child to not starve.
1138922;1432030985;williamdunne;Thats a lack of a think
1138923;1432030989;williamdunne;Debt is a thing you have
1138924;1432030995;williamdunne;Not a lack of a thing
1138925;1432031010;justJanne;Debt is a responsibility of having to pay, yes.
1138926;1432031018;justJanne;But for the person, it is the same.
1138927;1432031036;williamdunne;No, it isn't
1138928;1432031037;mircea_popescu;so a bottle and a penis are, for a flatworm, "the same"
1138929;1432031045;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean you can run around sticking bottles up your ass.
1138930;1432031056;justJanne;Okay, back then.
1138931;1432031062;chetty;<justJanne> When your parents are so piss poor you have to work as a child to not starve.// some might consider that an advantage
1138932;1432031074;justJanne;If you think so.
1138933;1432031083;justJanne;Thing is, of you have to work and can't go to school,
1138934;1432031093;justJanne;You lose something due to the bad choices of your parents.
1138935;1432031096;williamdunne;Did me good
1138936;1432031103;mircea_popescu;justJanne you lose something, gain something else.
1138937;1432031113;justJanne;williamdunne: it shows. It shows very much.
1138938;1432031113;mircea_popescu;that's the way it goes. if you have children, you lose your juvenile figure.
1138939;1432031117;mircea_popescu;if you don't, you don't have children.
1138940;1432031129;justJanne;It's not the same.
1138941;1432031133;justJanne;The question here is:
1138942;1432031149;justJanne;Why is inheriting debts different?
1138943;1432031158;justJanne;You said inheriting debts shouldn't be a thing.
1138944;1432031159;mircea_popescu;because debt flows from a contrat.
1138945;1432031173;justJanne;But inheriting money is okay?
1138946;1432031173;mircea_popescu;and a contract can only be enforced by its parties.
1138947;1432031176;williamdunne;Yes
1138948;1432031183;mircea_popescu;what problem do you see with it ?
1138949;1432031186;trinque;also a contract
1138950;1432031187;justJanne;And what about inheriting stocks?
1138951;1432031188;williamdunne;No one enforces inheritance, its not a contract
1138952;1432031190;williamdunne;give it away
1138953;1432031199;williamdunne;justJanne: Stocks with liability?
1138954;1432031234;mircea_popescu;stocks don't carry liability, nor have they ever.
1138955;1432031238;justJanne;Most stocks are a contract saying that you pay money, in return get a part of the profits and the power over a company.
1138956;1432031247;justJanne;But the contract is specifically signed to you.
1138957;1432031251;mircea_popescu;no. stocks are a contract saying that you PAID money,
1138958;1432031256;mircea_popescu;and forevermore get a share of the company.
1138959;1432031260;justJanne;Yes.
1138960;1432031270;williamdunne;derp on my part
1138961;1432031272;justJanne;But the contract is again bound to you.
1138962;1432031272;mircea_popescu;they are negotiable instruments, just like any other.
1138963;1432031291;justJanne;So, the question is, should inheriting these contracts be possible?
1138964;1432031298;mircea_popescu;the contract is not inherited.
1138965;1432031300;mircea_popescu;it is conveyed.
1138966;1432031302;justJanne;And if yes, why are they so different from debt contracts?
1138967;1432031308;williamdunne;Liability
1138968;1432031329;justJanne;And what about inverse debt?
1138969;1432031337;justJanne;You lend someone money. You die.
1138970;1432031344;*;mircea_popescu perceives the deep, faint marks of ancient saxon legal strictures in the girl's attempt.
1138971;1432031345;justJanne;Can your children force the person to pay?
1138972;1432031351;mircea_popescu;fascinating what cultural nationality turns out to be.
1138973;1432031371;mircea_popescu;justJanne depends how the contract was worded.
1138974;1432031377;mircea_popescu;is it assignable ? have you assigned it to them ?
1138975;1432031385;justJanne;So, then debt is only inheritable in some cases?
1138976;1432031395;mircea_popescu;debt is never inheritable.
1138977;1432031400;justJanne;This creates an issue with williamdunne's comment.
1138978;1432031413;justJanne;Because either contracts are inheritable, or they are not.
1138979;1432031415;williamdunne;justJanne: No it doesn't, you know I meant debt as if in the liability not the asset
1138980;1432031421;mircea_popescu;the fact that i convey a claim against you to him does not mean he inherited it from me.
1138981;1432031425;mircea_popescu;it merely means i conveyed it to him.
1138982;1432031432;justJanne;Debt as a liability and debt as an asset have to be treated the same.
1138983;1432031440;williamdunne;No, they don't
1138984;1432031456;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure what that aims to mean.
1138985;1432031460;justJanne;So, again,
1138986;1432031466;justJanne;We have a contract between two parties.
1138987;1432031470;mircea_popescu;right.
1138988;1432031481;justJanne;One party can give the contract to another person,
1138989;1432031489;justJanne;But the other party is always bound to it?
1138990;1432031497;justJanne;That sounds very unfair.
1138991;1432031498;mircea_popescu;if the contract is so phrased, yes.
1138992;1432031508;mircea_popescu;hey, lex pacta. you can make a contract say whatever you wish it to say
1138993;1432031515;justJanne;No, you can't.
1138994;1432031517;mircea_popescu;the counterpart being that you can never impose a contract on anyone.
1138995;1432031532;justJanne;If the contract is worded so that it provides and obvious disadvantage for one party, it is void.
1138996;1432031534;mircea_popescu;well obviously i can.
1138997;1432031538;mircea_popescu;not here.
1138998;1432031548;justJanne;In most of the world, yes.
1138999;1432031554;justJanne;For good reason.
1139000;1432031555;mircea_popescu;irrelevant.
1139001;1432031566;justJanne;No.
1139002;1432031584;williamdunne;Yes.
1139003;1432031588;mircea_popescu;in most of the world (defined as africa), females must have their bits cut off.
1139004;1432031591;trinque;dear god europe allows "it's not fair" to dissolve contracts?
1139005;1432031595;mircea_popescu;so what of it. the most of the world can go hang.
1139006;1432031597;davout;cat freenode_\#bitcoin-assets_2015051* | grep justJanne | wc -l
1139007;1432031598;justJanne;Just because the legal system of The most serene dictatorship was written by amateurs doesn't mean it's good.
1139008;1432031599;davout;967
1139009;1432031601;davout;oO
1139010;1432031602;mircea_popescu;trinque german law, yes.
1139011;1432031620;justJanne;trinque: most European law, yes.
1139012;1432031624;mircea_popescu;justJanne just because you think yourself equal to things you don't understand doesn't make 'em so :D
1139013;1432031647;mircea_popescu;davout you got a bet ?
1139014;1432031664;justJanne;I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P
1139015;1432031665;mircea_popescu;tbh the best part was where she didn't wanna take a trip to the us because satan lives there.
1139016;1432031669;davout;mircea_popescu: howso?
1139017;1432031675;mircea_popescu;readthelogs.pdf
1139018;1432031697;davout;i have, pls to link
1139019;1432031721;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138739
1139020;1432031721;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 09:49:23; mircea_popescu: justJanne you wanna go ?
1139021;1432031755;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, we agree. i don't visit the us for the exact same reasons.
1139022;1432031762;mircea_popescu;clearly those undergrad classes are paying off.
1139023;1432031770;justJanne;Yes, they do.
1139024;1432031780;davout;i was referring to "davout you got a bet ?"
1139025;1432031788;chetty;<justJanne> I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P//OH MY
1139026;1432031789;mircea_popescu;oh oh. i got that, too.
1139027;1432031790;*;davout puts ms office paperclip costume on
1139028;1432031802;davout;"DID YOU MEAN, 'A BED' ?"
1139029;1432031803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26963 @ 0.00029017 = 7.8239 BTC [+] {2} 
1139030;1432031803;justJanne;Most other people would have fallen for your propagandistic claims.
1139031;1432031845;*;williamdunne tips fedora
1139032;1432031872;mircea_popescu;davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138620
1139033;1432031872;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 09:27:49; mircea_popescu: clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ?
1139034;1432031888;davout;oic
1139035;1432031905;mircea_popescu;justJanne wait wut ?
1139036;1432031908;davout;i kind of expected more tbh
1139037;1432031915;mircea_popescu;1k's not bad.
1139038;1432031930;davout;yea, i probably suck at such estimates
1139039;1432031942;williamdunne;“Just to be clear, I’m not a professional ‘politician’. I’m just a german teenager who greatly values her intelligence and political fact over any silly idea conjured up some years ago. This being said, I am open to any and all criticism.
1139040;1432031942;williamdunne;    ‘In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any popescu’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence and state-funded education system.’"
1139041;1432031943;davout;i have like less than half this for may
1139042;1432031944;mircea_popescu;and, in a fascinating turn of what sexism really is, remember that one time when ben_vulpes had a friend over, about the same age, about the same ideas and i bit his head off ?
1139043;1432031949;mircea_popescu;apparently it pays being female.
1139044;1432031968;mircea_popescu;williamdunne wait wut ?
1139045;1432031992;justJanne;The issue is that most women prefer social stability over the chance to get rich.
1139046;1432032009;mircea_popescu;this is not an issue, for as long as they understand that this is ok for them and unpleasant for others.
1139047;1432032022;mircea_popescu;and they wear heels.
1139048;1432032026;justJanne;Most people here agree on this, though.
1139049;1432032034;mircea_popescu;this=?
1139050;1432032050;justJanne;The stuff most women prefer in general,
1139051;1432032052;mircea_popescu;dun make those statements, they're stupid things for stupid people. here, this, blah.
1139052;1432032056;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139014
1139053;1432032056;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 10:34:24; justJanne: I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P
1139054;1432032056;williamdunne;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139030
1139055;1432032056;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 10:36:43; justJanne: Most other people would have fallen for your propagandistic claims.
1139056;1432032057;justJanne;Is preferred by most of society here.
1139057;1432032063;justJanne;Anyway,
1139058;1432032065;justJanne;Interestingly, you should read about the veil of ignorance.
1139059;1432032072;justJanne;It's a nice thought experiment.
1139060;1432032073;mircea_popescu;justJanne "most of society" that gets a voice, which is bored women.
1139061;1432032094;justJanne;And, interestingly, this thought experiment almost always ends in the Nordic model.
1139062;1432032099;justJanne;The thought experiment is:
1139063;1432032104;mircea_popescu;you seriously contemplate teh notion i'm not aware of "veil of ignorance" etc ?
1139064;1432032113;justJanne;Oh, cool.
1139065;1432032125;justJanne;So, assuming this experiment, how can you be for an anarchist society,
1139066;1432032135;justJanne;When you yourself might end up a piss poor person?
1139067;1432032141;mircea_popescu;you think i care ?
1139068;1432032144;williamdunne;I'm not familiar, give me a mo'
1139069;1432032153;justJanne;Okay:
1139070;1432032161;williamdunne;When you yourself might end up a piss poor person? << being well off isn't left to chance
1139071;1432032166;mircea_popescu;i built more fortunes thjan you had boyfriends to date
1139072;1432032169;mircea_popescu;and burned just as many.
1139073;1432032181;mircea_popescu;being poor is only a problem if you belong there. otherwise, it's like being dirty.
1139074;1432032183;mircea_popescu;washes right off.
1139075;1432032185;justJanne;How would you design a society, assuming you have to live in it later, you can be any person in it, it is random.
1139076;1432032198;mircea_popescu;i don't believe in this cultural warfare bs.
1139077;1432032206;williamdunne;justJanne: Everyone executed except the rich
1139078;1432032209;mircea_popescu;people are not "random", leaves in the wind at the mercy of 1984-esque government.
1139079;1432032221;justJanne;Of course most people end up designing a society where everyone has enough to live, but also has chance to become rich.
1139080;1432032231;mircea_popescu;you don't follow the important point.
1139081;1432032233;justJanne;Which is the Nordic model.
1139082;1432032239;mircea_popescu;again : people are not rootless, leaves in the wind of "society".
1139083;1432032313;mircea_popescu;to propose that you can randomly switch people around as if they were interchangeable parts is already to introduce socialism as a given
1139084;1432032322;mircea_popescu;socialism is not only not a given, it is the system of organised stupidity.
1139085;1432032344;mircea_popescu;and no matter what happens, you can't be me. maybe being you is still cool and worth being. maybe it isn't.
1139086;1432032352;mircea_popescu;if it isn't your'e fucked, because that's what you'll ever be.
1139087;1432032373;justJanne;The idea is to create a society where every person has an acceptable life.
1139088;1432032392;mircea_popescu;that idea is about on par with "i wonder if superman could beat batman"
1139089;1432032399;mircea_popescu;idle masturbation for the infantile mind.
1139090;1432032414;justJanne;The difference is, it works.
1139091;1432032426;mircea_popescu;like collodial silver works :
1139092;1432032427;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Thats actually becoming a film I think
1139093;1432032438;mircea_popescu;if you take the vouches of idiots seriously, it works, sure.
1139094;1432032446;mircea_popescu;williamdunne im sure.
1139095;1432032456;justJanne;No.
1139096;1432032465;mircea_popescu;teh lady doth say no too much.
1139097;1432032472;williamdunne;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/
1139098;1432032532;justJanne;Take for example my father, no money, piss poor. Would have had no money for studying. But also not able to work heavy work.
1139099;1432032532;justJanne;Thanks to free education, he studied law.
1139100;1432032532;williamdunne;justJanne: Don't mistake this for being a channel where everyone had rich parents
1139101;1432032532;justJanne;Without free education, he couldn't have ever afforded it.
1139102;1432032532;mircea_popescu;justJanne so he studied law and you still need the state to put you through college ?
1139103;1432032541;mircea_popescu;apparently with education he never got very far ?
1139104;1432032551;williamdunne;Too many lawyers, education diluted the market I'm guessing
1139105;1432032564;mircea_popescu;williamdunne nah, in germany being a lawyer is like being a clerk.
1139106;1432032566;justJanne;No, the issue is a different one.
1139107;1432032569;mircea_popescu;they make jack shit.
1139108;1432032591;mircea_popescu;none of that 10mn / year + benefits.
1139109;1432032594;williamdunne;Gender Studies a better option?
1139110;1432032596;justJanne;Also, there are different kinds of lawyers.
1139111;1432032615;mircea_popescu;williamdunne socialism, so: everything an equally shitty option, but
1139112;1432032623;justJanne;There are also corporal lawyers working in companies writing legal terms for contracts all day long.
1139113;1432032623;mircea_popescu;"hey, be thankful for the little you get" and all that jazz.
1139114;1432032631;mircea_popescu;justJanne corporate.
1139115;1432032653;williamdunne;It’s not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the ‘right’ to education, the ‘right’ to health care, the ‘right’ to food and housing. That’s not freedom, that’s dependency. Those aren’t rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle.
1139116;1432032656;justJanne;He could have worked as legal attorney,
1139117;1432032678;justJanne;But he preferred the stable job in a company over the risk of having to depend on clients.
1139118;1432032683;mircea_popescu;heh.
1139119;1432032693;mircea_popescu;well, don't you think he should be ashamed of himself, in front of you ?
1139120;1432032700;justJanne;Nah.
1139121;1432032701;mircea_popescu;other people's dads did a lot better, unlike his lazy ass.
1139122;1432032707;justJanne;He did the right thing.
1139123;1432032712;mircea_popescu;i'd hold him up to task.
1139124;1432032725;davout;aaand we broke 1000
1139125;1432032727;mircea_popescu;you wanna be ~my~ father, you shoulda done a shitload better than this stupid shit.
1139126;1432032741;williamdunne;Being risk averse isn't a good idea generally speaking, if you want to be succeeding at anything.
1139127;1432032770;justJanne;Being risk averse is a very stable solution, though.
1139128;1432032774;mircea_popescu;i can't stand it in people, and especially not in men. imagine the unbearable conversation of someone who prefers the stability of bureaucratism and "not having to depend on clients"
1139129;1432032786;mircea_popescu;aka im too lazy to do a good job.
1139130;1432032791;williamdunne;'Conversation'
1139131;1432032794;justJanne;This is Germany. The place where people will wait at an empty crosswalk at 3am on Sunday.
1139132;1432032806;mircea_popescu;justJanne i'm just forcing a point.
1139133;1432032821;justJanne;Stability and safety über allies.
1139134;1432032823;justJanne;*alles
1139135;1432032841;mircea_popescu;the signs of a dead civilisation.
1139136;1432032858;mircea_popescu;you ever read nietzsche btw ?
1139137;1432032877;williamdunne;Safety is the precedent for anything dystopian
1139138;1432032879;justJanne;Ofc I did.
1139139;1432032884;mircea_popescu;since in her world sartre never happened, as didn't voltaire.
1139140;1432032888;mircea_popescu;justJanne so what do you make of it ?
1139141;1432032900;justJanne;Meh.
1139142;1432032907;mircea_popescu;care to be specific ?
1139143;1432032910;justJanne;I don't like most of it.
1139144;1432032933;mircea_popescu;you know, that's how rich men dump young girls ? "what did you think of the film" "meh" "specifically ?" "i just didn't like it"
1139145;1432032939;justJanne;But it was 3 years ago, and in school, so I don't remember much more except for getting in an argument with my teacher.
1139146;1432032943;mircea_popescu;the next thing coming is "you know, i don't think we should be seeing each other anymore"
1139147;1432033081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81697 @ 0.00027937 = 22.8237 BTC [-] {2} 
1139148;1432033098;mircea_popescu;williamdunne i was reduced to googling for your coupla phrases. reddit comes up.
1139149;1432033115;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: You mean the euphoria ones?
1139150;1432033119;mircea_popescu;yes
1139151;1432033131;williamdunne;Yeah it was some atheist euphoric kid
1139152;1432033142;BingoBoingo;;;lasers
1139153;1432033143;williamdunne;What she said reminded me of it
1139154;1432033143;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
1139155;1432033311;justJanne;Also, you often don't need laws or regulations, as they are often ignored, if you use society or physics, it works better. Example: the streets in my city. If you have no parking lots anywhere in the city, people will have to use public transport. And private investors are happy too, because they can build parking lots and charge moon prices. 8$/h
1139156;1432033383;mircea_popescu;and if you have no toilet paper or jeans, eager kiel sluts will suck capitalist cock for a song
1139157;1432033386;mircea_popescu;i approve of this plan, yes.
1139158;1432033393;mircea_popescu;worked fine in the 80s, will work fine again.
1139159;1432033411;justJanne;The market will correct itself, if there is a market.
1139160;1432033413;mircea_popescu;who knew that the reunification of germany was going to go the other way.
1139161;1432033418;justJanne;As seen with the parking lots.
1139162;1432033422;justJanne;Nah, it didn't.
1139163;1432033444;justJanne;The current nordic model was already discussed and partially implemented in the 1800s
1139164;1432033472;mircea_popescu;lol. what is with socialism and its desperate need to a) pretend it has a different name now and b) pretend it has historical roots ?
1139165;1432033475;justJanne;The Nordic model is what Marx meant, but Lenin and Stalin went totally retarded.
1139166;1432033480;mircea_popescu;riiight.
1139167;1432033489;justJanne;Yes. Read Marx.
1139168;1432033510;mircea_popescu;i'd have to borrow your glasses
1139169;1432033514;mircea_popescu;an' i dun think they fit my head.
1139170;1432033542;justJanne;He really only complains about cartels, monopolies, unfair wages, and in general no public services.
1139171;1432033570;justJanne;Tbh, even the US nowadays is quite close to what Marx described.
1139172;1432033630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45397 @ 0.00027814 = 12.6267 BTC [-]
1139173;1432033636;justJanne;Socialism, originally, was intended to do exactly this: give everyone equal chances, but then let them do their own thing. Of course you can start a company and become rich, this is no issue, as long as no one starves to death.
1139174;1432033698;mircea_popescu;"you can start a company as long as it doesn't matter or do anything important"
1139175;1432033703;mircea_popescu;yes yes. except, men are not babies.
1139176;1432033732;justJanne;No.
1139177;1432033752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00026973 = 8.7527 BTC [-] {2} 
1139178;1432033760;justJanne;You can start a company, and become a huge multinational even, as long as everyone has enough to fulfill their basic needs.
1139179;1432033780;mircea_popescu;how about, i have the money, i make the rules ?
1139180;1432033785;justJanne;And there are many successful Nordic startups and companies.
1139181;1432033798;justJanne;Money is a thing invented by people.
1139182;1432033804;mircea_popescu;so are rules.
1139183;1432033809;williamdunne;What do you mean "Invented"
1139184;1432033812;justJanne;Yes.
1139185;1432033820;williamdunne;Its sort of not invented but pretty much inherent to humans
1139186;1432033837;mircea_popescu;gravity is also a thing invented by people.
1139187;1432033838;williamdunne;Hence why the Indians die and Europeans rule the world
1139188;1432033845;justJanne;No.
1139189;1432033847;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean rocks didn't fall before, but it does mean it wasn't called gravity.
1139190;1432033863;williamdunne;doesn't mean rocks didn't fall before, but it does mean it wasn't called gravity. << this is exactly what I mean
1139191;1432033868;mircea_popescu;right.
1139192;1432033902;mircea_popescu;so, yes, the idiocy of socialism, no matter how named, and the superiority of la serenissima, etc, are rules of the world, and drive it whether named or unnamed.
1139193;1432033912;justJanne;No.
1139194;1432033916;justJanne;Money is invented just like laws, or countriez
1139195;1432033927;mircea_popescu;but other than that, money was invented and reinvented by people, most recently being called bitcoin.
1139196;1432033955;williamdunne;Money has existed since before government was a concept that meant anything other than some tribe leader with a bone through his nose
1139197;1432033971;mircea_popescu;justJanne was the number 7 invented by people, iyo ?
1139198;1432033993;williamdunne;And it has been "invented" god knows how many times independently
1139199;1432034007;williamdunne;It stems from the idea of ownership and necessity of a common unit
1139200;1432034011;williamdunne;Thats literally all it is
1139201;1432034130;williamdunne;Anyone who didn't invent it was crushed
1139202;1432034240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00027036 = 4.2574 BTC [+]
1139203;1432035178;williamdunne;You know those dead bikers? Turns out they didn't actually kill anyone
1139204;1432035184;williamdunne;It was the police that killed them
1139205;1432035188;williamdunne;Not them killing each other
1139206;1432035189;williamdunne;http://www.agingrebel.com/12873
1139207;1432035249;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1139208;1432035254;mircea_popescu;the texas shootout thing ?
1139209;1432035292;williamdunne;Yep, thats the one
1139210;1432035307;williamdunne;It was a knife fight, and as soon as one biker pulled a gun the swat opened automatic fire
1139211;1432035311;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://8ch.net/player.php?v=https://media.8ch.net/wx/src/1431138912693.webm&t=1430767959843schoolgirl-on-dildo.webm&loop=1
1139212;1432035371;justJanne;More kills in one day than the police here in 70 years -.-
1139213;1432035371;williamdunne;justJanne: When it comes to it, the German soldiers will either massacre civilians or execute gov officials
1139214;1432035371;williamdunne;But considering who pays their salaries..
1139215;1432035514;mircea_popescu;Sergeant Patrick Swanton, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department, called the attendees. �A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that�. This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.�
1139216;1432035525;mircea_popescu;no further professions allowed in the ussa.
1139217;1432035535;mircea_popescu;be a doctor, lawyer or a dentist. or fuck you.
1139218;1432035553;mircea_popescu;sucks that most of the kids are online geeks / webexperts i guess.
1139219;1432035567;williamdunne;Thats pretty meta - isn't it. Sergeant is on the list of criminals
1139220;1432035579;mircea_popescu;Sergeant Swanton said, �What occurred here today is the worst-case scenario when a business owner puts profit over human lives. It�s sad. This could have all been avoided.�
1139221;1432035589;mircea_popescu;ahahaha "Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there"
1139222;1432035596;mircea_popescu;dude that country's so fucked...
1139223;1432035634;williamdunne;Its not even that country, I'm pretty sure the same would be said elsewhere in fairness
1139224;1432035700;williamdunne;But yeah thats pretty fucked
1139225;1432035702;mircea_popescu;eslewhere where, in the "democratic" republic of germany ? (following kruschev's revelation on stalin!)
1139226;1432035721;mircea_popescu;Since the massacre, police have announced that there is �credible information about threats toward law enforcement.� Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: �Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.�
1139227;1432035721;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0H2AZ99.txt
1139228;1432035781;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1139229;1432035781;mircea_popescu;hey, i can see it.
1139230;1432035781;mircea_popescu;kill everyone in uniform.
1139231;1432035799;mircea_popescu;getting back to the softer side, https://media.8ch.net/wx/src/1431565456206-1.jpg
1139232;1432035923;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Oh noes, the lawyers and doctors too!
1139233;1432036021;davout;deedbot-: add feed http://fr.anco.is/feed/
1139234;1432036081;mircea_popescu;kinda funny how the "we totally fucked up. it was our job to keep things smooth and well... we blew it" thing never comes out of us police.
1139235;1432036081;davout;trinque: did it werked? ^
1139236;1432036136;davout;http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-may-19th-statement/
1139237;1432036197;chetty;<mircea_popescu> ahahaha "Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there"//of course that would work, would have happened at the place down the street instead.
1139238;1432036197;mircea_popescu;chetty ikr ? nuts, these people.
1139239;1432036199;mircea_popescu;"it's julia's fault! do it to julia! not me!"
1139240;1432036210;mircea_popescu;wtf, buncha felons.
1139241;1432036247;mircea_popescu;"we didn't just butcher a bunch of marginal retards in a parking lot. it was because of the moon. the guy that made the roof 15 years ago is to blame. it';s because texas has straight borders"
1139242;1432036278;mircea_popescu;how about you know, you just suck about as bad as the car mechanic that sets customers' cars on fire.
1139243;1432036684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89471 @ 0.00029065 = 26.0047 BTC [+] {2} 
1139244;1432038392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50503 @ 0.00028874 = 14.5822 BTC [-]
1139245;1432038941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49001 @ 0.00026862 = 13.1626 BTC [-] {2} 
1139246;1432039612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00028291 = 14.3152 BTC [+] {3} 
1139247;1432040425;funkenstein_;ooh look non-sychophant in channel, nice logs :)
1139248;1432041625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00026798 = 17.1373 BTC [-]
1139249;1432042050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://technologycloud.org/?p=1144 << there! finally it's all been shanonized properly.
1139250;1432042111;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ omfg what are you like the socialist party in hiding, waiting for reinforcements ?
1139251;1432042257;punkman;mircea_popescu, that's a peculiar text, I wonder how it was made
1139252;1432042279;mircea_popescu;sentence level mixing i'd guess
1139253;1432042397;funkenstein_;perhaps for some value of "socialist party" :)
1139254;1432042653;*;mircea_popescu calls for purge of trotskyst elements &c
1139255;1432042653;scoopbot_revived;Testing Scoop http://thethug.life/testing-scoop/
1139256;1432042672;funkenstein_;what is a "confidence researcher"?
1139257;1432042693;mircea_popescu;like a con man, but with science.
1139258;1432042805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wtf, chinese to english or what
1139259;1432042815;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1139260;1432042912;williamdunne;Okay, Scoop should be 24/7 now, and even if he crashes the things he has posted should be persistent nao
1139261;1432042919;williamdunne;Just gonna test his persistence
1139262;1432042925;mircea_popescu;le cool.
1139263;1432042932;jurov;!kill scoobot
1139264;1432042939;mircea_popescu;you gonna add the bitbet posting functionality ? a lot more sensible i nscoop than i ndeedbot
1139265;1432042957;jurov;williamdunne: wd!
1139266;1432042967;williamdunne;I can, I hadn't seen the request but I'm happy to add it
1139267;1432042985;mircea_popescu;splendeed.
1139268;1432043021;williamdunne;Can't see an API or anything tho
1139269;1432043040;mircea_popescu;jsons
1139270;1432043063;*;asciilifeform caught up with log, many lulz
1139271;1432043063;jurov;https://bitbet.us/rss/new/
1139272;1432043123;williamdunne;Ah perfcet
1139273;1432043123;williamdunne;*perfect
1139274;1432043123;jurov;!mpif
1139275;1432043124;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1139276;1432043124;williamdunne;What features are wanted in said bot?
1139277;1432043124;mircea_popescu;announce new propositions and bets > 1 btc in value
1139278;1432043124;jurov;and accurate predictions!
1139279;1432043168;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1139280;1432043168;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (20000 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020659 / 0.000207 (74560 shares, 15.40 BTC)
1139281;1432043221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you have a bet ?
1139282;1432043254;mircea_popescu;check it out, they gave out the internet rations in twodogs today
1139283;1432043265;nubbins`;a wild key collision appears
1139284;1432043277;nubbins`;what's this about a banner then
1139285;1432043278;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwut, bet ?
1139286;1432043283;jurov;welcome nubbins`
1139287;1432043286;nubbins`;hi
1139288;1432043286;mircea_popescu;listen nubsy, make a banner for your dubious publisher of offensive posters
1139289;1432043300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how manyl lines she takes.
1139290;1432043317;asciilifeform;l0l
1139291;1432043320;nubbins`;mircea_popescu like any ol' banner, or something more specific?
1139292;1432043347;mircea_popescu;728x90
1139293;1432043352;nubbins`;inches?
1139294;1432043356;nubbins`;pixels?
1139295;1432043365;mircea_popescu;lol. https://8ch.net/btc/res/156.html << see that banner there at the top ?
1139296;1432043425;nubbins`;o you mean a web banner or smth don't you.
1139297;1432043425;*;nubbins` puts away the rolls of paper
1139298;1432043425;mircea_popescu;lol
1139299;1432043438;jurov;well, you can make paper one and scan it it
1139300;1432043438;mircea_popescu;or papier mache
1139301;1432043438;jurov;for the derps to "tell by the pixels not professionally done"
1139302;1432043438;nubbins`;heh
1139303;1432043455;nubbins`;how many times so far this year have derps sent me files at terrible resolution for screenprinting
1139304;1432043460;nubbins`;"but it looks ok on my screen"
1139305;1432043463;mircea_popescu;726
1139306;1432043467;nubbins`;kill yourself; get out
1139307;1432043483;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you DID SAY it was SCREEN printing
1139308;1432043486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100149 @ 0.00026827 = 26.867 BTC [+] {2} 
1139309;1432043487;mircea_popescu;god damned scammers ruining everything.
1139310;1432043504;nubbins`;hey now, you computer folk misappropriated the word.
1139311;1432043511;mircea_popescu;this we did.
1139312;1432043512;nubbins`;that box of lights is no more a screen than my left shoe!!
1139313;1432043560;nubbins`;anyway, summertime rush is picking up
1139314;1432043656;nubbins`;and i've somehow decided to publish a fully-silkscreened book that'll cost $100 per issue
1139315;1432043656;nubbins`;o.O
1139316;1432043715;jurov;what? stan's book is finished?
1139317;1432043716;nubbins`;no, jesus
1139318;1432043716;jurov;:D
1139319;1432043716;nubbins`;i'd be surprised if that thing gets printed before 2020
1139320;1432043716;nubbins`;and this book is like 20 pages
1139321;1432043716;nubbins`;so.
1139322;1432043716;mircea_popescu;well by 2020, stan's book is also gonna be 20 pages
1139323;1432043716;mircea_popescu;((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((do)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
1139324;1432043716;mod6;:]
1139325;1432043716;nubbins`;aha!
1139326;1432043716;nubbins`;"what's 'do' do?"   "the thing"
1139327;1432043716;mircea_popescu;fu, it looks ok on my left shoe!
1139328;1432043786;nubbins`;did i mention that i was detained in a security room at cleveland hopkins airport for 13 hours because of this place?
1139329;1432043861;mircea_popescu;no wai ?!
1139330;1432043938;mircea_popescu;and you didn't even come to conference ?
1139331;1432043938;jurov;and so it begins
1139332;1432043939;jurov;do tell
1139333;1432043939;nubbins`;heh. naw, just kidding
1139334;1432043940;nubbins`;they did make me hold my arms out like an airplane while they touched my dick tho
1139335;1432043940;jurov;did they found the rsa keys?
1139336;1432043942;williamdunne;Yeah, they factored them
1139337;1432043942;*;williamdunne wonders if persistence thingy will work this time
1139338;1432044340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00026858 = 4.9687 BTC [+]
1139339;1432044585;williamdunne;Well, Scoop is now working, although Assbot won't listen to commands so he can't up himself
1139340;1432044586;williamdunne;yay
1139341;1432044598;*;williamdunne wonders why people are worried about an AI takeover
1139342;1432044623;nubbins`;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkAL1AEam8
1139343;1432044683;nubbins`;lel @ yellow shirt man @ 1:00
1139344;1432044683;nubbins`;for those of you who are not canadian, yellow shirt man got fired from his $100k/yr job as an engineer at a public utility the day after this video came out
1139345;1432044683;nubbins`;mis lados etc
1139346;1432045059;mircea_popescu;lol buncha derps.
1139347;1432045059;mircea_popescu;"we just work here. not you... it's like...."
1139348;1432045180;mircea_popescu;if you are gonna do it, then what happened to "yeah bitch, exactly."
1139349;1432045180;mircea_popescu;fucking do it.
1139350;1432045444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55550 @ 0.00026858 = 14.9196 BTC [+]
1139351;1432045822;williamdunne;!h
1139352;1432045822;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1139353;1432045829;williamdunne;w00t
1139354;1432045830;davout;!rated jurov
1139355;1432045830;assbot;You rated user jurov on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR.
1139356;1432045841;davout;seems to werk fine
1139357;1432046125;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3JTY0T7.txt
1139358;1432046185;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1139359;1432046185;scoopbot_revived;Scoop Test http://thethug.life/scoop-test/
1139360;1432046185;williamdunne;Scoop werks
1139361;1432046509;mod6;Ok, the v0_5_3_1-RELEASE performance test is complete.  Charts are posted here if you'd like to view: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Charts/
1139362;1432046569;mod6;You'll notice that there are two times that during the full blockchain sync, bitcoind got oomkill'd.
1139363;1432046577;mod6;Again, this is just the bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE -- no patches added.
1139364;1432046584;davout;http://ir.theice.com/press-and-publications/press-releases/all-categories/2015/05-19-2015-133635560.aspx
1139365;1432046645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24527 @ 0.00027005 = 6.6235 BTC [+] {3} 
1139366;1432046645;davout;"As a global index leader and administrator of ICE LIBOR, ICE Futures U.S. Dollar Index and many other notable benchmarks, we are pleased to bring transparency to this market."
1139367;1432046645;mod6;And for reference, here's where you can view the performance test charts that were with the OrphanageThermonuke patched in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/
1139368;1432046705;davout;"We are now going to use our name, reputation and global index provider stature to provide bitcoin values that the rest of the market can look to," says Tom Farley, who serves as president of NYSE, the venerable financial institution that has come to symbolize Wall Street and capitalism more broadly.
1139369;1432046705;davout;right.
1139370;1432046705;williamdunne;"Sorry we're late to the party, hey girlz, wanna see my handstand?"
1139371;1432046747;davout;it's not that they're late, it's just... wtf
1139372;1432046806;davout;"NYXBT utilizes a unique methodology that relies on rules-based logic to analyze a dataset of matched transactions and verify the integrity of the data to ultimately produce an objective and fair daily value for one bitcoin in U.S. Dollars as of 16:00 London time."
1139373;1432046898;funkenstein_;bringing transparency to US markets, at 16:00 London Time
1139374;1432047775;mod6;Process_Switches hits >4000 on v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Charts when it oomkill'd
1139375;1432047788;mod6;then straight down to 0.
1139376;1432047887;punkman;"The NYSE Bitcoin Index will initially feature data from transactions       from Coinbase Exchange, the leading U.S.-based bitcoin exchange. In       2015, NYSE made a       minority investment in Coinbase"
1139377;1432048073;punkman;well that's gonna be fun to watch
1139378;1432048596;justJanne;Anyway, I'm sorry, but I don't have much time arguing with people like you stupidly about fictional politics.
1139379;1432048719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00026788 = 7.6078 BTC [-] {2} 
1139380;1432049085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42026 @ 0.00026419 = 11.1028 BTC [-] {2} 
1139381;1432049177;williamdunne;What on earth.
1139382;1432049822;danielpbarron;!up tcrypt
1139383;1432049826;ben_vulpes;this thread's still going, eh?
1139384;1432049848;davout;doesn't look like it
1139385;1432049862;davout;she did broke the 1000 lines count while at it though
1139386;1432049867;davout;notbad.jpg
1139387;1432049980;ben_vulpes;> arguing stupidly << accidentally totally spot on
1139388;1432050202;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137072 << they're /both/ problems.
1139389;1432050202;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 23:03:57; justJanne: mod6: power is not the issue.
1139390;1432050305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00027836 = 9.7426 BTC [+]
1139391;1432050312;mircea_popescu;davout vague stuff is vague, but anyway
1139392;1432050345;mircea_popescu;how is coinbase leading anything anyway ?
1139393;1432050373;mircea_popescu;!up tcrypt
1139394;1432050384;mircea_popescu;williamdunne What on earth. << late onset butthurt.
1139395;1432050525;mircea_popescu;one wonders what'd be the bar for non-fictional politics.
1139396;1432050531;mircea_popescu;moses' tablets, perhaps.
1139397;1432050631;mircea_popescu;justJanne 846 << what 1k ? scam.
1139398;1432050903;jurov;well, i saw nobody explain to her how does the nordic model actually does not exist
1139399;1432050915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28684 @ 0.00027836 = 7.9845 BTC [+]
1139400;1432050954;jurov;there were mostly fictional counterexamples
1139401;1432050981;jurov;and mircea's "i do what i want"
1139402;1432051010;mircea_popescu;yeah i did, she just ignored it.
1139403;1432051048;mircea_popescu;the age old problem with being clueless - it impairs metacognition too.
1139404;1432051282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25766 @ 0.00028789 = 7.4178 BTC [+]
1139405;1432051316;mod6;10 moduli broken
1139406;1432051338;mircea_popescu;aha.
1139407;1432051426;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/p5dVp1e5 >> this is like the most retarded thing i've seen today.
1139408;1432051486;mircea_popescu;look at the cute idiots, they're going to call no philosophies. because that's how it works, for keepsies! they called it!
1139409;1432051532;mod6;"lists are for nerds."
1139410;1432051599;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's with the ~ in b,tmsro~ ?
1139411;1432051608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42185 @ 0.00027136 = 11.4473 BTC [-]
1139412;1432051648;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes old library convention, so the list doesn't consist of half the items filed under TH
1139413;1432051658;mircea_popescu;America, The History Of ~
1139414;1432051663;ben_vulpes;aha
1139415;1432051690;*;ben_vulpes searches memory for previous occurrences of the ~
1139416;1432051706;ben_vulpes;dude you know i think this is another thing americans simply shrugged and decided to not bother with
1139417;1432051707;mircea_popescu;mod6 as an item in a list.
1139418;1432051724;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes they might have decided not to teach kids anymore, but it was in use back in the day
1139419;1432051756;ben_vulpes;not even not taught, but not even used
1139420;1432051764;*;ben_vulpes spent rather a lot of time in libraries as a wee one
1139421;1432051775;mircea_popescu;but after computers neh ?
1139422;1432051799;mircea_popescu;computers made all other things stupider.
1139423;1432051839;mircea_popescu;anyway, this particular usage is the reason tilde even exists on computer keyboards.
1139424;1432051894;ben_vulpes;i'm deeming the justJanne word salad as skippable
1139425;1432051919;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138620 << too many
1139426;1432051919;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 09:27:49; mircea_popescu: clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ?
1139427;1432051933;mircea_popescu;you nearly ended up hosting her.
1139428;1432051949;ben_vulpes;lolwut
1139429;1432051960;mircea_popescu;talk to trinque, he signed you up.
1139430;1432051968;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 as an item in a list. << hehe
1139431;1432051977;ben_vulpes;waaaat
1139432;1432052029;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138736 << ahaha
1139433;1432052029;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 09:49:00; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque hey lot, if i buy her plane tickets do you show her portland ? a week or so ?
1139434;1432052031;ben_vulpes;sure.
1139435;1432052035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00026142 = 15.3061 BTC [-] {2} 
1139436;1432052157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21306 @ 0.00025917 = 5.5219 BTC [-]
1139437;1432052268;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138929 << i contest this point: http://www.xvideos.com/video4179860/champagne_bottle_in_the_ass_2
1139438;1432052268;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 10:24:05; mircea_popescu: doesn't mean you can run around sticking bottles up your ass.
1139439;1432052466;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139174 << sounds familiar
1139440;1432052466;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 11:08:18; mircea_popescu: "you can start a company as long as it doesn't matter or do anything important"
1139441;1432052566;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139334 << /me imagines nubsy making airplane noises whilst being groped
1139442;1432052566;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 13:59:00; nubbins`: they did make me hold my arms out like an airplane while they touched my dick tho
1139443;1432052572;mircea_popescu;laters!
1139444;1432052597;*;ben_vulpes off to not matter and do things of nil importance
1139445;1432053210;danielpbarron;!up t-
1139446;1432053257;danielpbarron;!up aabtc
1139447;1432053593;ben_vulpes;http://shift2bikes.org/cal/viewpp2015.php << attn danielpbarron pete_dushenski and bikers of all stripes
1139448;1432053931;danielpbarron;sounds too much like pedopalooza; even has the bear
1139449;1432054099;ben_vulpes;it is pedalpalooza
1139450;1432054108;ben_vulpes;why u no pedalpalooza?
1139451;1432054141;danielpbarron;it overlaps with porcfest, among other reasons
1139452;1432054152;ben_vulpes;plus lib'ruhls, no doubt
1139453;1432054194;danielpbarron;other side of country, is in portland, is a month long!?
1139454;1432054202;ben_vulpes;what, you have a job or something?
1139455;1432054936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82193 @ 0.00025908 = 21.2946 BTC [-] {2} 
1139456;1432055357;Apocalyptic;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136454 // for the record I misstated the length of the bugger, 311 is the length above which msieve presently refuses to crunch the number, the remaining factor is 1223 digit long
1139457;1432055357;assbot;Logged on 18-05-2015 18:56:11; Apocalyptic: on a 311 decimal base number I have my doubts, even msieve refuses to crunch it
1139458;1432055861;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1139459;1432055874;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/2BFGXXW.txt
1139460;1432055934;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139461;1432056350;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu *exactly like the one i showed you earlier. virtually same type of modifications.*
1139462;1432056351;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139463;1432056361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40099 @ 0.00025515 = 10.2313 BTC [-] {2} 
1139464;1432056673;funkenstein_;"You are encouraged to associate your ORCID with your arXiv account."  <--  Orcs, get your IDs ready <-- http://orcid.org/about/team
1139465;1432056733;ben_vulpes;truly orcish tekmology
1139466;1432056891;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu aaand you've got mail
1139467;1432056891;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139468;1432057306;funkenstein_;I saw my first advert-in-captcha this week.  Nasty.
1139469;1432057621;mats;https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/448.pdf 'FLUSH+RELOAD: a High Resolution, Low Noise,L3 Cache Side-Channel Attack'
1139470;1432057681;mats;www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2015/papers/6949a591.pdf 'S$A: A Shared Cache Attack that Works Across Cores and Defies VMSandboxing—and its Application to AES'
1139471;1432057925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66706 @ 0.00025329 = 16.896 BTC [-] {2} 
1139472;1432057986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57694 @ 0.00025169 = 14.521 BTC [-] {2} 
1139473;1432058094;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1139474;1432058099;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu very relevant >> http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/techreports/2004/cacr2004-01.pdf
1139475;1432058159;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139476;1432058647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117200 @ 0.00025037 = 29.3434 BTC [-] {2} 
1139477;1432058769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57950 @ 0.00025892 = 15.0044 BTC [+]
1139478;1432059623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9087 @ 0.00025892 = 2.3528 BTC [+]
1139479;1432059806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51465 @ 0.00026105 = 13.4349 BTC [+]
1139480;1432059871;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Ex Machina - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/19/ex-machina/
1139481;1432059931;trinque;scoopy still not working?
1139482;1432059931;scoopbot_revived;Ex Machina http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/19/ex-machina/
1139483;1432059931;trinque;ah there it goes, good deal.
1139484;1432059934;*;trinque turns off deedbot-'s rss-er
1139485;1432060002;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1139486;1432060013;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139424 << just picture her as an indoor cat explaining to alley cats the advantages of being pet... and you can like her again!
1139487;1432060013;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 16:11:34; ben_vulpes: i'm deeming the justJanne word salad as skippable
1139488;1432060073;mod6;+1
1139489;1432060104;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: t0p p3t
1139490;1432060133;trinque;just a kid yelling about how they want to be the change they want to see...
1139491;1432060146;trinque;I think at 19 I considered myself an "anarchocapitalist"
1139492;1432060897;jurov;i consider everyone here (maybe except mircea) a proud wannabe alley cats,still hooked to petting and milk
1139493;1432060949;jurov;both sides of that discussion made me cringe
1139494;1432060955;*;ascii_field laboratory cat, gets milk, not so much petting, and occasional medical experiments
1139495;1432060968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00026713 = 6.9454 BTC [+]
1139496;1432061436;ascii_field;http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-dhs-brings-its-infantile-cyber-fantasy-world-to-rsa-2015 << l0ltr0n1c
1139497;1432061684;mats;jesus
1139498;1432061764;trinque;"potential terrorist activity" << nice orwellian term there
1139499;1432061850;trinque;Congressman Mike Rogers told the RSA audience more than once that metadata in bulk surveillance collection "is just the 'To: From:' like the front of an envelope."
1139500;1432062106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11035 @ 0.00026713 = 2.9478 BTC [+]
1139501;1432062225;decimation;ascii_field, mod6, ben_vulpes > have you seen this tool for managing patches? > http://julipedia.meroh.net/2013/11/patch-management-with-quilt.html
1139502;1432062285;decimation;you can push & pop patches to a source tree easily
1139503;1432062285;decimation;available here https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt/
1139504;1432062345;trinque;that's pretty cool
1139505;1432062345;decimation;apparently used in the kernel world to manage massive patchsets
1139506;1432062585;jurov;well, our problem is not patch management, but *reading* them
1139507;1432062587;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-05-2015#1138061 < anarchy is retarded
1139508;1432062587;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 08:03:40; justJanne: I don't know. I have no issues with you guys building a state of anarchy,
1139509;1432062688;jurov;!s "is retarded"
1139510;1432062689;assbot;87 results for '"is retarded"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22is+retarded%22
1139511;1432062774;trinque;stand back guys; I'm going to build an anarchy
1139512;1432062796;jurov;ANARCHY MUST BE ENFORCED AT ALL COSTS
1139513;1432062880;decimation;if the magic to living the 'nordic freedom' dream is 50% tax plus redistribution, why doesn't that seem to work in somalia?  are they too stupid to understand the concept?
1139514;1432062956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95550 @ 0.00027405 = 26.1855 BTC [+]
1139515;1432062997;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1139516;1432063012;*;ascii_field gets 50% taxed without (seeing any of the) redistribution
1139517;1432063047;ascii_field;can't help but imagine this being the reason why so many folks who aren't obviously retarded, are in favour of the handouts
1139518;1432063056;ascii_field;scarcely anyone imagines that the theft might stop,
1139519;1432063075;ascii_field;but it is a slightly less outlandish fantasy to picture getting some of it back as bread&circuses or whichever.
1139520;1432063168;jurov;fantasies don't count
1139521;1432063196;ascii_field;jurov: they 'count' in the psychiatric sense of explaining where the voices the patient listened to when he swung the axe appeared to come from.
1139522;1432063264;decimation;mircea seems to credit the german geography for why 'nordic freedom' 'seems to work'.  but I suggest it is the people themselves - having been beaten by the romans for centuries, and then forced by the church to mate outside their immediate family, they developed a concept of 'kinship' beyond L2 cousins
1139523;1432063411;decimation;anyway, back to the mines for me
1139524;1432063505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31684 @ 0.00027711 = 8.78 BTC [+] {2} 
1139525;1432064298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59050 @ 0.00027595 = 16.2948 BTC [-] {2} 
1139526;1432065479;jurov;hooray for citizen psychiatry!
1139527;1432065580;jurov;!up schmidty
1139528;1432065587;jurov;!up NewLiberty
1139529;1432065812;jurov;!up joshbuddy
1139530;1432066357;mats;Ex Machina was a huge disappointment
1139531;1432066408;mats;camera at the door takes his pic, prints access card with his face on it, but for whatever reason a super-secure AI dev facility doesn't so much as use the pic for user verification
1139532;1432066905;punkman;^ agreed, it was pretty stupid
1139533;1432067531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82600 @ 0.00028318 = 23.3907 BTC [+] {3} 
1139534;1432067958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16743 @ 0.00028455 = 4.7642 BTC [+]
1139535;1432068351;decimation;ascii_field: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151097 < fanless 400 watt ATX supply
1139536;1432068411;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1139537;1432068411;decimation;http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=200 < teardown
1139538;1432068471;ascii_field;decimation: from my experience, these 'fanless' things invariably rely on -some- case fan being present
1139539;1432068471;decimation;yeah, it would be interesting to try it out
1139540;1432068528;ascii_field;a gadget which has no 'hedgehog' open to room air is a nonstarter for true fanlessness
1139541;1432068534;ascii_field;just from examination by naked eye.
1139542;1432068610;decimation;maybe. http://seasonicusa.com/NEW_X-series_Fanless.htm < it appears to come with a 5 year warranty, so you can exchange it if it burns out
1139543;1432068670;ascii_field;can i also exchange the downstream devices it will nuke when it does? l0l
1139544;1432068670;decimation;heh
1139545;1432068684;decimation;usually power supplies don't nuke the downstream stuff, but it can happen
1139546;1432068689;decimation;especially if it undervolts
1139547;1432068834;ascii_field;decimation: some years ago, i purchased a 'fanless' ps and discovered, to my grief, that a number of misc. components on the (cpu water-cooled) mb relied on having -some- airflow
1139548;1432068853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124550 @ 0.00028482 = 35.4743 BTC [+]
1139549;1432068863;decimation;yeah, they don't put that in the spec, but who knows.  if the supply is really efficient, it ought not generate much heat
1139550;1432068897;ascii_field;voltage regulators, fets, various logic
1139551;1432068902;ascii_field;on mb proper
1139552;1432068923;kakobrekla;i dun have a fanless seasonic but it has its fan off most of the time
1139553;1432068937;kakobrekla;even when it goes on, dun hear it really
1139554;1432068938;ascii_field;kakobrekla: how often is 'most' ?
1139555;1432068955;kakobrekla;unless i start gayming
1139556;1432069006;ascii_field;i've seen systems like this, but, sadly, nothing with amd (nor do i expect to. they're 'frying pans.')
1139557;1432069059;kakobrekla;'Seasonic P-760'
1139558;1432069078;ascii_field;kakobrekla: aha but what is it plugged into
1139559;1432069103;kakobrekla;230v mains
1139560;1432069109;ascii_field;-other- end
1139561;1432069177;kakobrekla;4770K, 32gig, amd r9 280x, a few ssds
1139562;1432069226;ascii_field;aha so intel box.
1139563;1432069233;kakobrekla;yes
1139564;1432069695;ben_vulpes;<jurov> i consider everyone here (maybe except mircea) a proud wannabe alley cats,still hooked to petting and milk << and i the mangiest
1139565;1432069781;jurov;lol.. your know how to hide your patchy fur in photos then
1139566;1432069804;ben_vulpes;my patchy beauty is on THE INSIDE, jurov!
1139567;1432069911;*;jurov pets ben_vulpes
1139568;1432070002;ben_vulpes;halp
1139569;1432070007;ben_vulpes;this is supposed to be a safe space
1139570;1432070011;ben_vulpes;jurov is molestering me
1139571;1432070048;ben_vulpes;http://southpark.cc.com/clips/152475/molesteration
1139572;1432070145;ben_vulpes;it's like sequestration, but...
1139573;1432070152;mats;halp halp im being oppressed
1139574;1432070165;ben_vulpes;i'm just being pressed
1139575;1432070174;mats;bloody peasant
1139576;1432070349;jurov;!up ascii_field
1139577;1432070483;ascii_field;wat even
1139578;1432070526;jurov;we're having a contest who's mangiest inside
1139579;1432070543;ascii_field;'2015-05-19 20:12:17One or More Panels Have Begun Manual SMT Placement'
1139580;1432070555;*;ascii_field pictures slaves sweating
1139581;1432070575;jurov;for rng or cardano?
1139582;1432070596;ascii_field;rng
1139583;1432070601;ascii_field;batch of 32
1139584;1432070635;ascii_field;in other news, 10 moduli as of a few hrs ago
1139585;1432071080;mod6;i noticed. cool!
1139586;1432071170;trinque;*applause*
1139587;1432071196;ascii_field;some very... interesting output, also.
1139588;1432071289;Apocalyptic;figures
1139589;1432071330;Apocalyptic;ascii_field likes to tease
1139590;1432071561;ben_vulpes;interesting how?!
1139591;1432071582;ascii_field;all in good time, l0l
1139592;1432074074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110800 @ 0.00027802 = 30.8046 BTC [-]
1139593;1432074563;williamdunne;Has scoop been behaving
1139594;1432074705;jurov;;;seen scoopbot_revived
1139595;1432074706;gribble;scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <scoopbot_revived> Ex Machina http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/19/ex-machina/
1139596;1432074830;jurov;!t m s.qntr
1139597;1432074830;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00032592 / 0.00034038 / 0.00035271 (3400 shares, 1.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00025534 / 0.00031692 / 0.00035271 (13584 shares, 4.31 BTC)
1139598;1432074891;trinque;williamdunne: turned the deedbot- rss'er off
1139599;1432074900;williamdunne;Perfect
1139600;1432074912;williamdunne;Should be 24/7, on an actual server and is cloaked
1139601;1432074925;trinque;nice.
1139602;1432074939;williamdunne;Is 4.31 the market cap of Qntra?
1139603;1432074977;jurov;lol
1139604;1432074988;jurov;no it's 30D volume
1139605;1432075050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60250 @ 0.00028141 = 16.955 BTC [+] {2} 
1139606;1432075056;williamdunne;I was going to say
1139607;1432075065;williamdunne;Was considering buying out Qntra for a sec
1139608;1432075104;williamdunne;Anyone seen this? From a glance looks like a good scalability solution.
1139609;1432075104;williamdunne;https://bitpay.com/chaindb.pdf
1139610;1432075202;jurov;!s sidechains
1139611;1432075203;assbot;36 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains
1139612;1432075294;jurov;or if it's meant for misc data, then it's done by deedbot already
1139613;1432075357;jurov;smells like something a patent troll could put together
1139614;1432075406;williamdunne;Its like sidechains but doesn't require a fork
1139615;1432075416;williamdunne;Stores hashes of the blocks in the bitcoin blockchain
1139616;1432075420;williamdunne;So kinda like deedbot in a way
1139617;1432075493;jurov;oh i wanted to ask, did you think about prevention of resubmitting same clearsigned text many times?
1139618;1432075515;trinque;who me?
1139619;1432075516;jurov;trinque ^
1139620;1432075537;trinque;I'll negrate people who abuse it
1139621;1432075548;trinque;aside that nah, if it's signed by L1 or L2 it goes out
1139622;1432075583;jurov;um. with email submission, i don't even know
1139623;1432075629;jurov;it already does SHA sum of whole clearsigned text, but comment can be changed so this is useless
1139624;1432075636;trinque;hm?
1139625;1432075661;jurov;you know clearsigned text has modifiable comment line?
1139626;1432075677;trinque;yeah so?
1139627;1432075697;trinque;either somebody produces the original text of the thing or deedbot has nothing to say about it
1139628;1432075805;jurov;if someone uses temporary voice to resubmit existing deed 1000 times, deedbot has nothing to say about it?
1139629;1432075896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93900 @ 0.00028296 = 26.5699 BTC [+] {2} 
1139630;1432075927;jurov;since you're paranoid enough to have a whitelist of sources, i thought you thought about that
1139631;1432076478;trinque;jurov: couldn't remember so I went and looked
1139632;1432076516;ben_vulpes;> blue text in email
1139633;1432076522;ben_vulpes;> sender confirmed for msexchange user
1139634;1432076525;trinque;it will do a crappy check against the json api to see if the nick plonking in a deed is trusted, however, I don't know of an api that gives whether the nick on IRC is authenticated
1139635;1432076536;trinque;so it could be improved
1139636;1432076599;trinque;if there's a URL for that it'd be trivial to add
1139637;1432076619;jurov;i decided to make sha1sums of decrypted text (and in future check them for duplicity)
1139638;1432076689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00028528 = 11.6394 BTC [+] {2} 
1139639;1432076708;jurov;pity that gpg offers no facilities to distinguish signatures except for date
1139640;1432076740;trinque;afaik using a deedbot against the blockchain is the only actually verifiable way of timestamping data that exists
1139641;1432076810;jurov;yes but i'm not about timestamping. i'm about checking if two clearsigned files are identical
1139642;1432076826;jurov;!up nubbins`
1139643;1432076826;trinque;ah got ya
1139644;1432076833;jurov;!up asciilifeform
1139645;1432076878;mod6;ok, so v0.5.3 is compiled and running -- im doing a nmon perf collection on that as well.  then we'll have all three to compare.
1139646;1432077055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00028717 = 9.1751 BTC [+] {2} 
1139647;1432077578;asciilifeform;mod6: 3 ?
1139648;1432077970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114000 @ 0.00027757 = 31.643 BTC [-] {2} 
1139649;1432078031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78876 @ 0.00027686 = 21.8376 BTC [-] {2} 
1139650;1432078079;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 0.5.3 (virginal, aside from db lock patch), 0.5.3.1-RELEASE and 0.5.3.1-RELEASE + orphanage thermonuke
1139651;1432078113;asciilifeform;aha
1139652;1432078135;asciilifeform;why would we expect a meaningful difference in performance between 1 and 2 ?
1139653;1432078275;jurov;it's the nubbins` tax patch
1139654;1432078281;asciilifeform;l0l
1139655;1432078351;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: one good test is to hard-config all 3 to connect exclusively to same (fully-synced) node
1139656;1432078357;asciilifeform;simultaneously, from 0
1139657;1432078380;asciilifeform;(this could underplay the effect of 'bastards' however)
1139658;1432078456;BingoBoingo;!up schmidty
1139659;1432078959;mod6;<+asciilifeform> why would we expect a meaningful difference in performance between 1 and 2 ? << i don't, but we need a benchmark anyway so we can make some assertions
1139660;1432078983;asciilifeform;ah
1139661;1432079026;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: 3 ? <+mod6> Ok, the v0_5_3_1-RELEASE performance test is complete.  Charts are posted here if you'd like to view: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Charts/ <+mod6> You'll notice that there are two times that during the full blockchain sync, bitcoind got oomkill'd. <+mod6> Again, this is just the bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE -- no patches added. <+mod6> And for reference, here's where you can view the performance tes
1139662;1432079086;mod6;:]
1139663;1432079086;asciilifeform;neato
1139664;1432079167;mod6;we'll be correlating all the data and putting together a bit of a press-release and notes along with it as soon as the v0.5.3 perf test is complete
1139665;1432080611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00028226 = 17.105 BTC [+] {2} 
1139666;1432080672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00029176 = 2.1736 BTC [+]
1139667;1432081278;danielpbarron;!up gnnr who are you?
1139668;1432081351;decimation;asciilifeform: re: smt placement < according to the podcast, the macrofab guys said they often hand-place stuff if it is going to be a pain in the ass to configure the pick n place for it
1139669;1432081424;gnnr;hello just a reader of the logs, joining here
1139670;1432081435;decimation;!up samO
1139671;1432081466;decimation;asciilifeform: in fact, they implied that pretty much only house parts are placed on the pick n place, the rest are hand placed
1139672;1432081493;asciilifeform;suggests that they severely, catastrophically undercharge then.
1139673;1432081525;decimation;actually they asked him about that and he said no
1139674;1432081534;decimation;apparently they have a supply of skilled techs
1139675;1432081549;decimation;they are apparently profitable at these price levels
1139676;1432081571;decimation;but they were going to branch out into more 'turnkey' design services so they can feed off of the kickstart idiocy
1139677;1432081664;mod6;asciilifeform: you're familiar with mpi right?
1139678;1432081725;asciilifeform;aha
1139679;1432081728;asciilifeform;why
1139680;1432081781;mod6;take a look at this: http://dpaste.com/0SQPBKC.txt  Is there any reason when allocating the space for p & q to do Eulers totient they would initialize the space with 'p' and 'p', instead of 'p' & 'q'?
1139681;1432081842;mod6;i see below the actual maff is being carried out in here:
1139682;1432081842;mod6;    mpi_sub_ui( t1, p, 1 );
1139683;1432081842;mod6;    mpi_sub_ui( t2, q, 1 );
1139684;1432081848;mod6;they're both declared with type MPI, was just curious i guess.
1139685;1432081885;ben_vulpes;hola pete_dushenski
1139686;1432081899;pete_dushenski;looks like ex machina wasn't popular with the b-a crowd. no huge shock, i suppose.
1139687;1432081902;pete_dushenski;heya ben_vulpes
1139688;1432081945;asciilifeform;mod6: no reason that i can think of
1139689;1432081947;asciilifeform;suspicious as hell
1139690;1432081953;mod6;ikr?
1139691;1432081976;asciilifeform;where found this
1139692;1432081983;trinque;ahaha this is rsa.c
1139693;1432081987;pete_dushenski;not sure why i decided to write-up ex machina, which i didn't particularly enjoy, instead of dirty rotten scoundrels, which i also just watched and found to be quite a bit more of a hoot.
1139694;1432081990;mod6;gnupg v1.4.13's rsa.c yup
1139695;1432082003;mod6;seems, like it also exists at least in 1.4.12 too
1139696;1432082025;asciilifeform;can we get the maintainer in here ?
1139697;1432082031;pete_dushenski;1.4.9 too ?
1139698;1432082045;pete_dushenski;what of 2.x ?
1139699;1432082052;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.gnnr.1:009c9a042d08395c24ba1117d6762c37db01e0d328c4e91cf3d868bdbc0e6b52
1139700;1432082052;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gnnr with note: just a reader of the logs
1139701;1432082076;gnnr;thanks daniel
1139702;1432082155;mod6;so above there they do a swap of 'p' & 'q' to make p the smaller of the two.  then they take the nlimbs of 'p' twice to allocate the space for each t1 & t2. which i thought was kinda strange.
1139703;1432082184;asciilifeform;because it is.
1139704;1432082256;decimation;does anyone maintain gpg v1?
1139705;1432082287;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.trinque.2:4f4362b537fda69e14eadb8f693ed355d615a96b8dbd73f36e90c02b2605401f
1139706;1432082287;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for trinque with note: coder formerly known as undata; deedbot maintainer
1139707;1432082310;decimation;I guess david shaw
1139708;1432082326;*;trinque tips hat at danielpbarron
1139709;1432082441;pete_dushenski;howdy bitstein
1139710;1432082443;mats;wtf is going on
1139711;1432082446;bitstein;pete_dushenski: Nice write-up. I could use a party button in my home, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxXlPULqYN0
1139712;1432082506;mats;gpg is broke
1139713;1432082506;mats;where's my pistol
1139714;1432082506;pete_dushenski;bitstein lol. and a sex robot too !
1139715;1432082546;trinque;mats: get your blowtorch too
1139716;1432082578;decimation;so can someone explain why the nyse would have a bitcoin index without any actual bitcoin-backed securities for trade?
1139717;1432082647;bitstein;pete_dushenski: midwit-level analysis of AI aside, I wish they had explored Nathan's fear of his own invention more. I also thought that it ended two minutes later than it should have.
1139718;1432082674;pete_dushenski;decimation for the same reason that cnn and the rest of the sideline jockeys report on news. they dun make it. just talk about it.
1139719;1432082716;pete_dushenski;bitstein interesting. i was pleasantly surprised that ex machina ended where it did.
1139720;1432082739;pete_dushenski;the movie was actually pretty tight for something made in the past 5 years.
1139721;1432082744;decimation;pete_dushenski: I guess, but they are supposed to be running - a market?
1139722;1432082769;pete_dushenski;decimation and obama is supposed to be president of the free world.
1139723;1432082785;decimation;does your local grocery store display the spot price of tuna in tsukiji?
1139724;1432082808;pete_dushenski;no, my local grocer is actually in business
1139725;1432082813;pete_dushenski;and isn't tbtf
1139726;1432082826;bitstein;pete_dushenski: agreed. I'm glad I went to the theater to see it. Not many movies worth the trip anymore.
1139727;1432082833;pete_dushenski;decimation so he doesn't *have* to pretend.
1139728;1432082859;mod6;holy shit gnupg v2 is bizzare! X_X
1139729;1432082948;decimation;pete_dushenski: are you in calgary?  I've heard they have the 'chinook winds' there
1139730;1432082970;pete_dushenski;decimation i'm in edmonton, but what you've heard is true
1139731;1432082997;pete_dushenski;calgary is a good bit more temperate than edmonton (300km further north) as a result of the chinook winds
1139732;1432083035;pete_dushenski;bitstein it definitely yielded stimulating conversation, even if it had some holes in the plot and storyline
1139733;1432083060;bitstein;and it brought the funk
1139734;1432083071;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.pete_dushenski.3:c98198ca05e3d0fbae176f4dd3d4c57d69ab18ddf0bb904993b5394155e8bfaa
1139735;1432083071;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for pete_dushenski from 2 to 3 with note: prolific writer and traveler of the world
1139736;1432083094;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron ahoy. cheers mate.
1139737;1432083238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39307 @ 0.00029176 = 11.4682 BTC [+]
1139738;1432083239;mod6;yikes! well, that confirms it, not that i was ever going to use gnupg v2 anyway, but now that i've looked at the code, CERTAINLY NOT.
1139739;1432083264;pete_dushenski;hah.
1139740;1432083335;pete_dushenski;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36j6uo/itbit_sent_my_api_info_with_username_password_api/ << lulz.
1139741;1432083431;mod6;heheh, there are like even random '^L's in this file.
1139742;1432083539;pete_dushenski;and in other news, livejasmin is accepting btc, ripple raised $28 mn, and bitcoin is "leaderless" now : http://www.technologyreview.com/news/537486/leaderless-bitcoin-struggles-to-make-its-most-crucial-decision/
1139743;1432083834;asciilifeform;tr0l0l0l
1139744;1432083843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00028761 = 5.7091 BTC [-]
1139745;1432084097;pete_dushenski;and 'gbtc' is back down to $29. for 'approximately' 0.1 btc.
1139746;1432084114;pete_dushenski;still a healthy premium but also about half what it was in the first few manic days of trading.
1139747;1432084262;BingoBoingo;Today was the day of the planting of ornamental amaranths (Celosia). See cazalla I'm totally planting edible plants if I want to eat like the world's desperately poor!
1139748;1432084318;asciilifeform;aaaand 12 moduli
1139749;1432084428;asciilifeform;... same pattern as others.
1139750;1432084462;ben_vulpes;<pete_dushenski> looks like ex machina wasn't popular with the b-a crowd. no huge shock, i suppose. << whattabout Fury Road?
1139751;1432084485;pete_dushenski;what about it ?
1139752;1432084490;ben_vulpes;seen it?
1139753;1432084494;pete_dushenski;nope.
1139754;1432084511;pete_dushenski;it's rare that i see a mainstream flick, ex machina was definitely an exception.
1139755;1432084520;ben_vulpes;i only watch action movies.
1139756;1432084531;pete_dushenski;furious 7 was the last, before that i dun even remember.
1139757;1432084540;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes lol for real ?
1139758;1432084546;ben_vulpes;more or less.
1139759;1432084556;ben_vulpes;of the modern releases.
1139760;1432084589;pete_dushenski;i'm more of a comedy man myself, but there aren't really 'modern releases' in this genre that aren't animated.
1139761;1432084603;pete_dushenski;so i see more than my share of 'kids movies'
1139762;1432084612;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.gnnr:206844c78527cf3ce6cb27be9da39dc925da14b231de91645151ea1dae55c5e9
1139763;1432084612;assbot;Successfully unrated gnnr
1139764;1432084612;ben_vulpes;ah i do enjoy the odd kids' movie, but those are largely action movies as well
1139765;1432084622;bitstein;The Lego Movie was absolutely fantastic.
1139766;1432084624;ben_vulpes;Big Hero 6 was rather good.
1139767;1432084637;pete_dushenski;but i'm off for persian dinner. laters !!
1139768;1432084680;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu i've developed a heuristic. see litmus.py on dulap.
1139769;1432084680;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139770;1432084682;ben_vulpes;<decimation> so can someone explain why the nyse would have a bitcoin index without any actual bitcoin-backed securities for trade? << "price signal" is necessary for securities.
1139771;1432084703;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu it is presently searching for, well... them.
1139772;1432084703;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139773;1432084716;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you tease!
1139774;1432084728;ben_vulpes;you miserable tease
1139775;1432084750;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: so i walk into $redacted on monday and folks compare me to pons & fleischmann. so there'll be teasing, yes.
1139776;1432084774;*;ben_vulpes to tango
1139777;1432084781;ben_vulpes;i'll follow up on this later.
1139778;1432084810;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.gavmatic.1:f816f77aa8eb6a0413d5a888793ee7bb0f27c041908de5885003e5fb510ee6fe
1139779;1432084810;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gavmatic with note: claims to be gnnr and lost his key; writes at http://coinlaunch.com/
1139780;1432084941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00027731 = 14.4756 BTC [-]
1139781;1432085006;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> <pete_dushenski> looks like ex machina wasn't popular with the b-a crowd. no huge shock, i suppose. << whattabout Fury Road? << No One's going to talk about the blantant pro-Doge propaganda in Age of Ultron?
1139782;1432085526;gavmatic;yes it's just some of my ramblings, and a couple projects need to update thanks danielpbarron
1139783;1432086772;decimation;ben_vulpes: right but the 'price signal' comes from - you know - trading?
1139784;1432086792;decimation;or is the 'price signal' one of those things usg can will into existance?
1139785;1432087137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65100 @ 0.00028362 = 18.4637 BTC [+] {2} 
1139786;1432087198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26638 @ 0.00029101 = 7.7519 BTC [+]
1139787;1432087748;mod6;looks like that part of the code hasn't changed since the initial checkin of the code back in nov. of 97: committer Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:06:00 +0000 (14:06 +0000) 5393dd53c5e06f0458949217317601b2eaed8350 http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commit;h=5393dd53c5e06f0458949217317601b2eaed8350
1139788;1432087808;mod6;hmm
1139789;1432087817;BingoBoingo;Have to take that timestamp on a bit of faith since... git didn't exist yet
1139790;1432087947;BingoBoingo;gavmatic: Hang around a bit and maybe think about submitting some pieces to qntra?
1139791;1432088191;mod6;BingoBoingo: yeah, probably was ported 2x since then would be my guess; first from CVS to SVN then from SVN to GIT
1139792;1432088395;gavmatic;sure thank you
1139793;1432088485;trinque;https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/36h7jn/bahar_mustafa_goldsmiths_diversity_officer_at/?sort=top << the biggest lol is that notice which accompanies the thread being closed
1139794;1432088545;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: iirc mircea_popescu once posted his vintage tarball of gpg src
1139795;1432088545;trinque;all hail glorious corporate HR department mothering
1139796;1432088545;asciilifeform;does anyone have it handy ?
1139797;1432088595;trinque;!s tar gpg
1139798;1432088596;assbot;1 results for 'tar gpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tar+gpg
1139799;1432088607;trinque;!s tar gnupg
1139800;1432088608;assbot;0 results for 'tar gnupg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tar+gnupg
1139801;1432088624;mod6;asciilifeform: naw, im searching for it.
1139802;1432088648;asciilifeform;i have a 1.4.11 from 2010 if that helps
1139803;1432088653;asciilifeform;but would prefer another
1139804;1432088679;asciilifeform;would have to plug ancient disks in, though, something to be avoided if possible
1139805;1432088762;mod6;i see one here as old as 1.2.0
1139806;1432088784;gavmatic;ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/historic/
1139807;1432088805;mod6;ftp://ftp.ring.gr.jp/pub/net/gnupg/gnupg/
1139808;1432088858;gavmatic;they have 0.2.8
1139809;1432088866;asciilifeform;mod6: i'd like to see ones from wot folks' disks.
1139810;1432088871;asciilifeform;signed by them
1139811;1432088909;mod6;*nod* fair enough.
1139812;1432088978;BingoBoingo;;;later tell justJanne Parts of the US have Nordic Systen style laws https://www.agr.state.il.us/Laws/Regs/8iac220.pdf
1139813;1432089038;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139814;1432089038;trinque;I'm spelunking in the wayback machine for shasums or something
1139815;1432089038;BingoBoingo;!up tidus
1139816;1432089059;tidus;Is bitcoin safe from obama?
1139817;1432089099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110200 @ 0.00028278 = 31.1624 BTC [-]
1139818;1432089131;tidus;I love my nexus 6 and nexus 9
1139819;1432089163;asciilifeform;meowmix has a cloak ?!
1139820;1432089185;tidus;No meowmix is on 4g smartphone
1139821;1432089191;tidus;Ban me
1139822;1432089212;BingoBoingo;!down tidus
1139823;1432089213;trinque;mod6: https://web.archive.org/web/20021017061453/http://www.gnupg.org/download.html << fwiw
1139824;1432089297;trinque;asciilifeform: if you end up opening your treasure chest please deedbot- the sha256sums
1139825;1432089345;mod6;thx trinque
1139826;1432089396;mod6;bbs
1139827;1432089578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00027731 = 3.4109 BTC [-]
1139828;1432089868;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller
1139829;1432090311;BingoBoingo;http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/Portals/0/Gardening/Gardening%20Help/images/Pests/Snakes1938.jpg
1139830;1432090701;decimation;https://clearlinux.org/ < lol now intel wants to build a linux distribution
1139831;1432091005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69704 @ 0.00028526 = 19.8838 BTC [+] {2} 
1139832;1432091073;decimation;BingoBoingo: lol bullfrogs are hardcore
1139833;1432091607;mod6;ok, so gnupg v2 relies on libgcrypt to generate the keys, i finally found the code: dpaste.com/3106AJC.txt Seems that it does the same thing as v1 when doing the Euler totient.
1139834;1432091637;mod6;there's a link at the top of that paste to where I found it.
1139835;1432091920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66450 @ 0.00027796 = 18.4704 BTC [-] {4} 
1139836;1432093422;mike_c;;;later tell jurov sorry for the wait, found this lying around on my todo list - http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7/
1139837;1432093482;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139838;1432093909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148602 @ 0.0002852 = 42.3813 BTC [+] {2} 
1139839;1432094031;danielpbarron;https://vine.co/v/eATKOM9EFXF
1139840;1432094939;ben_vulpes;<decimation> [01:51] or is the 'price signal' one of those things usg can will into existance? << are you familiar with the "winkdex"?
1139841;1432094971;ben_vulpes;"gavmatic" << amusing handle
1139842;1432095007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00027934 = 11.2714 BTC [-] {2} 
1139843;1432095319;ben_vulpes;'But she added the uses of hashtags such as "kill all white men" on her personal account were "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves".' << gotta love these people. "when you make jokes i don't understand and therefore piss me off, i round up a hate squad and get you fired. when i make jokes, it's in-group solidarity and YOU CAN'T SAY ANYHTING ABOUT IT"
1139844;1432095801;decimation;ben_vulpes: I'm familiar with the idea that exists.  no idea how it is calculated
1139845;1432095922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 347650 @ 0.00027573 = 95.8575 BTC [-] {3} 
1139846;1432096100;ben_vulpes;decimation: you're not allowed to know!
1139847;1432096532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00028952 = 7.0498 BTC [+] {3} 
1139848;1432097263;ben_vulpes;;;seen herbijudlestoids
1139849;1432097264;gribble;herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 41 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> brb.
1139850;1432097666;ben_vulpes;http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-05-04-01-34-51.txt << lol @ hanbot's codeblock
1139851;1432097848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175700 @ 0.00027194 = 47.7799 BTC [-] {3} 
1139852;1432097978;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu sha512(the_answer.tar.gz.asc) == b0d915a9f73a21c47b0444a31cf8e3a9393e31a8cc676aec318198ff5d0f958d68756b160335d65ba7dce2e94072de19e4cc4214912f81cee121bdd6d9a4aec8, aaand you've got mail.
1139853;1432097978;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1139854;1432098805;ben_vulpes;MYSTERIES
1139855;1432098888;hanbot;ben_vulpes yeah i'd be happy to find a better way to do that.
1139856;1432099617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74550 @ 0.00028616 = 21.3332 BTC [+]
1139857;1432099888;punkman;https://weakdh.org/
1139858;1432100070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182800 @ 0.00027053 = 49.4529 BTC [-] {4} 
1139859;1432100219;mats;gossipd would be pretty good for cnc servers
1139860;1432100224;punkman;" allows a man-in-the-middle attacker to downgrade vulnerable TLS connections to 512-bit export-grade cryptography"
1139861;1432100226;ben_vulpes;hanbot: specifically the part i found amusing was the closing </code> tag at the top of the document and the opening <code> tag at the bottom
1139862;1432100276;punkman;how many downgrade attacks do they need to have before they cut out the stupid modes?
1139863;1432100633;ben_vulpes;trinque: dpaste with patch vanished. plz to turdalize.
1139864;1432100693;mircea_popescu;o hai alfie
1139865;1432100699;mircea_popescu;whenever i sleep, he comes up with something.
1139866;1432100700;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh the dieharder thing?
1139867;1432100728;ben_vulpes;trinque: yeah, that
1139868;1432100732;ben_vulpes;sil vous plait
1139869;1432100780;trinque;ben_vulpes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=403502&action=diff
1139870;1432100840;trinque;real simple change
1139871;1432100840;ben_vulpes;ayup
1139872;1432100841;ben_vulpes;zactly what i was lookin for
1139873;1432100841;ben_vulpes;ty
1139874;1432100841;trinque;np
1139875;1432100900;trinque;the real solution is apparently unfucking dieharder more broadly
1139876;1432100921;trinque;it diddles glibc internal preprocessor flags, so on
1139877;1432101206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112100 @ 0.00026797 = 30.0394 BTC [-] {3} 
1139878;1432102077;ben_vulpes;"The key facet of the OS X audio I/O model involves predictive timing mechanisms. Instead of requiring the driver to message an application directly when an I/O cycle has completed, the timing mechanisms enable the Audio HAL to predict when the cycle will complete." << wowee
1139879;1432102236;mats;writing a driver are we
1139880;1432102247;ben_vulpes;not if i can't help it
1139881;1432102269;ben_vulpes;adc on the cheap via mic input
1139882;1432102270;mats;its not so bad
1139883;1432102279;mats;ah
1139884;1432102299;ben_vulpes;maybe fuck it, record an audio file and nom those bits?
1139885;1432102302;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ^^
1139886;1432102731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00028347 = 7.0301 BTC [+]
1139887;1432103311;ben_vulpes;!up isaackl
1139888;1432103314;ben_vulpes;heyo
1139889;1432103358;isaackl;Thanks!
1139890;1432103373;ben_vulpes;what brings you by?
1139891;1432103391;isaackl;I was reading the epic conversation with justJanne
1139892;1432103446;isaackl;Figured since I've actually read a decent amount of trilema.com and the b-a logs I should finally join the chan
1139893;1432103455;ben_vulpes;o you have have ya
1139894;1432103457;ben_vulpes;welcome
1139895;1432103459;isaackl;Heh
1139896;1432103563;isaackl;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130899 < I see there was already some discussion of 21.co
1139897;1432103563;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 21:42:17; asciilifeform: re: '21' etc >> 'The cornerstone of the strategy as presented would have been the release of consumer products that would turn power from wall sockets into bitcoin through the widespread dissemination of bitcoin mining chips.' << -somebody- clearly reads the 2013 #b-a logs.
1139898;1432103602;isaackl;They keep derping about 'Bitcoin is a protocol'/internet-of-things craziness
1139899;1432103638;isaackl;A bit at odds with their plan to leach electricity off consumers for mining
1139900;1432103661;isaackl;So I wonder
1139901;1432103682;isaackl;Is there 'bitcoin is a protocol' stuff a cynical ploy
1139902;1432103745;isaackl;Or do they actually believe that stuff and know are desperately looking to put their VC bezzlebucks to good use
1139903;1432103890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59385 @ 0.00027331 = 16.2305 BTC [-]
1139904;1432104017;isaackl;I.e., how many of the VC-funded "crypocurrency! blockchain!" startups have realised the optimal move is simply to hoard bitcoin?
1139905;1432104277;ben_vulpes;isaackl: see the copious historical threads on how fiat-backed forays into bitcoin are more-or-less raiding parties for the US Treasury
1139906;1432104303;isaackl;ben_vulpes: "Buterin's waterfall", etc?
1139907;1432104554;isaackl;I would still bet that 95% of bitcoin startup guys are true believers
1139908;1432104623;isaackl;So who are the 5%, how has USG compromised them
1139909;1432104762;ben_vulpes;the waterfall was the windmill-tilt at driving the price to zero
1139910;1432104791;ben_vulpes;are you familiar with the notion of "useful idiots"?
1139911;1432104834;isaackl;Yeah
1139912;1432105027;isaackl;21.co (and their a16z backers) on paper seem too smart to be useful idiots
1139913;1432105035;isaackl;Ethereum, sure
1139914;1432105060;ben_vulpes;are you familiar with the buckshot approach to "investment" common in startuplandia?
1139915;1432105061;isaackl;And if Balaji is a USG shill he's a damn good actor
1139916;1432105083;isaackl;Yeah, I figured that as the most likely null hypothesis
1139917;1432105126;ben_vulpes;dude the entire vc space is incredibly cynical
1139918;1432105135;ben_vulpes;overt "greater fool theory" investments everywhere.
1139919;1432105153;ben_vulpes;21 doesn't pass the even-barely-making-sense test.
1139920;1432105182;ben_vulpes;the days of thousand+ coin scams are nowhere near past us, they're just denominated in dollars now.
1139921;1432105185;ben_vulpes;!up isaackl
1139922;1432105189;ben_vulpes;get in the wot, you.
1139923;1432105225;isaackl;I'm registered
1139924;1432105235;punkman;21 seems like a reasonable chumpatron to me
1139925;1432105238;isaackl;Not yet rated
1139926;1432105248;BingoBoingo;!up vexual
1139927;1432105307;isaackl;Indeed, my guess was Balaji raised on buzzword bingo (blockchain technologee! IoT!) and then groped around for an actual plan
1139928;1432105398;isaackl;Last gig was freelancing for another startup (curiously, also backed by a16z and qualcomm). Their big product was an Android emulator, lots of users, crazy schemes to try and monetize them
1139929;1432105428;ben_vulpes;!getrating isaackl
1139930;1432105434;ben_vulpes;!gettrust isaackl
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1139932;1432105460;ben_vulpes;!rate isaackl 1 new startupfounder
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1139934;1432105480;isaackl;"cynical" but also, in the long-run, impractical
1139935;1432105485;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.isaackl.1:d0dd779d88427861d58d13a6e07d75fbf1db8ea67e2735938e6bce91f97a517f
1139936;1432105485;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for isaackl with note: new startupfounder
1139937;1432105488;ben_vulpes;
1139938;1432105493;isaackl;Thanks!
1139939;1432105500;ben_vulpes;easy come, easy go.
1139940;1432105516;ben_vulpes;and what are you working on now?
1139941;1432105523;ben_vulpes;evening, Adlai
1139942;1432105532;isaackl;Though I'm not a "startup founder"
1139943;1432105555;Adlai;but are you a ninja?
1139944;1432105561;isaackl;I'm just derping around in Thailand, riding motorbikes, and reading up on finance, cryptography and bitcoin
1139945;1432105720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00028202 = 34.9705 BTC [+]
1139946;1432105781;ben_vulpes;sounds like quite the life
1139947;1432105790;isaackl;It's pretty good!
1139948;1432105873;isaackl;End-goal is to build a legit bitcoin biz but I've read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 so I'm not rushing into anything
1139949;1432105933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118966 @ 0.00028265 = 33.6257 BTC [+] {2} 
1139950;1432105933;ben_vulpes;and to think that was written in 2012
1139951;1432106134;ben_vulpes;isaackl: what kinds of businesses do you have your eyes on?
1139952;1432106427;isaackl;Well, taking the thesis that the real value of bitcoin is as an inflation hedge, and that funds will increasingly flow into bitcoin as people realise this
1139953;1432106481;isaackl;(i.e., after a few more reward halvings mean less coin is being dumped on the market by miners, speculators have been burned enough times that more coin is held by long-term investors and volatility drops a bit)
1139954;1432106590;isaackl;Sensible bitcoin businesses are those that increase the value of btc as an investment (not user adoption or transaction volume or anything like that
1139955;1432106606;ben_vulpes;wait whut
1139956;1432106610;ben_vulpes;no no man no
1139957;1432106620;ben_vulpes;a sensible btc business makes bitcoins for its owners
1139958;1432106623;ben_vulpes;nothing more, nothing less
1139959;1432106666;mircea_popescu;i see this is becoming a dailything now.
1139960;1432106681;ben_vulpes;nobody can do anything to increase the value of btc as an investment. it's here, it's queer, nobody's changing it.
1139961;1432106718;ben_vulpes;where'd the 55 yo steelworker get off to
1139962;1432106722;ben_vulpes;;;seen justJanne
1139963;1432106722;gribble;justJanne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 8 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <justJanne> Anyway, I'm sorry, but I don't have much time arguing with people like you stupidly about fictional politics.
1139964;1432106722;*;mircea_popescu blames ben_vulpes 
1139965;1432106740;ben_vulpes;i blame your keymageddon
1139966;1432106772;isaackl;Hypothetical example: a hyper-secure bitcoin wallet that's easy enough for a Warren Buffet to use. Maybe not actually possible, but if it existed, much more wealth would flow into bitcoin, no?
1139967;1432106774;mircea_popescu;in unexplectedly related lulz :
1139968;1432106775;mircea_popescu;From: junior@e-technik.uni-rostock.de
1139969;1432106775;mircea_popescu;Subject: Improve potency and gain more size
1139970;1432106783;ben_vulpes;it's late, sense of humor got burned out at tango tonite
1139971;1432106788;mircea_popescu;isaackl you ever read the causes/purposes article ?
1139972;1432106795;isaackl;mircea_popescu: yeah
1139973;1432106807;mircea_popescu;so why are you derping about various obscure purposes ? let it be.
1139974;1432106821;mircea_popescu;if you can do something useful, do it. if not, relax and watch the show.
1139975;1432106833;*;ben_vulpes attempts to rerax
1139976;1432106865;isaackl;OK, concrete idea I had
1139977;1432106877;mircea_popescu;no, but see... you ever read the ideas article ?
1139978;1432106886;isaackl;Which one?
1139979;1432106902;mircea_popescu;trick question, wasn't one per se. but the idea is why the fuck do you think you're having ideas ?
1139980;1432106944;isaackl;OK, no ideas.
1139981;1432106955;mircea_popescu;leaving alone how "concrete idea" is a contradiction in terms.
1139982;1432106993;mircea_popescu;1) find some group you respect ; 2) work on their ideas ; 3) there is no 3. you will have ideas, yes, but you'll never have to try and sell them like noobs with "my film idea" in hollywood.
1139983;1432107006;isaackl;This is indeed why I spend my time right now just researching
1139984;1432107017;mircea_popescu;aite.
1139985;1432107025;mircea_popescu;!gettrust isaackl
1139986;1432107027;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user isaackl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=isaackl | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/isaackl/
1139987;1432107039;mircea_popescu;do you know how to self-voice even ?
1139988;1432107072;mircea_popescu;!up isaackl
1139989;1432107081;isaackl;Cheers
1139990;1432107086;mircea_popescu;pm assbot !up
1139991;1432107110;isaackl;OK, unlike justJanne I'm very willing to have my youthful derpiness forcefully removed
1139992;1432107118;isaackl;Why I came here
1139993;1432107126;mircea_popescu;cool.
1139994;1432107129;ben_vulpes;http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/clim-spec/ << bitrot!
1139995;1432107190;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1139996;1432107190;mircea_popescu;what are you doing now, stalking Germany ?
1139997;1432107190;trinque;ben_vulpes: hoard ye all PDFs that can be found!
1139998;1432107190;ben_vulpes;ha!
1139999;1432107190;ben_vulpes;when did vexual get unbanned?
1140000;1432107190;mircea_popescu;when jurov bitched.
1140001;1432107190;isaackl;My reasoning was, there's multiple candidates to unseat the USD. RMB, Gold, BTC
1140002;1432107219;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah i'm going to find her photo and then doxx her
1140003;1432107222;mircea_popescu;isaackl what's this, like an exam of sorts ? the heavenly throne is holding a vote to replace the old usd with a spiffy young fellow ?
1140004;1432107223;isaackl;Currency is a schelling point. People with lots of USD start buying bitcoin, eventually there's a runaway effect
1140005;1432107239;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes intel has her photo, at 16 and current. looks a little tranny.
1140006;1432107267;ben_vulpes;poor thing, no wonder she's spending her life in my little pony chans
1140007;1432107293;isaackl;No, just the aggregate decisions of people with lots of USD. If 60% choose to buy gold and 40% choose to buy btc
1140008;1432107325;mircea_popescu;it's the blessing of suck, you know ? very beautiful (and i mean, VERY, stunner beautiful) chicks develop early adolescence dementia because of all the insane sexual attention they get and don't really want, need, or know what to do with.
1140009;1432107339;mircea_popescu;very smart chicks develop the same, because of the same, only different but in the end the same.
1140010;1432107345;mircea_popescu;adults are fucking perverts.
1140011;1432107381;mircea_popescu;isaackl the idea being that your representation of this thing is manufactured for the needs of representation. it's what they call a didacticism, with no actual connection to reality. bad way to think.
1140012;1432107428;*;ben_vulpes ponders
1140013;1432107437;isaackl;Then gold will quite possibly win the runaway effect. The gold mining rate is a constant 1.5% or so a year, so post a few more reward halvings bitcoin has the advantage
1140014;1432107454;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1140015;1432107458;gribble;Current Blocks: 357233 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1614 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 18 hours, 44 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47459292440.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.76227
1140016;1432107464;mircea_popescu;negative now huh ?
1140017;1432107480;mircea_popescu;isaackl come up with the formula for bitcoin inflation, i'm curious.
1140018;1432107481;ben_vulpes;"this coordinate system is highly unportable, and it always ended up being an intermediate stage to some other coordinate system.  Thus this coordinate system has been exorcised and should be avoided in the future.  JPM 1-29-91" << i am actually growing to love software archaeology
1140019;1432107522;isaackl;mircea_popescu: OK, to connect it to reality. Sovereign wealth fund, has a lot of USD. Realises USG is shaky and wants to diversify. How do they decide how much to allocate to gold or bitcoin?
1140020;1432107525;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yup. cultural archeology is the superset, antrhopology being the application. it's what the wise do with their time.
1140021;1432107532;mircea_popescu;isaackl seriously, print out the formula.
1140022;1432107544;mircea_popescu;(it's not really that hard)
1140023;1432107554;isaackl;mirce_popescu: 50% mined between 2009 and first reward halving, halves after each reward halving
1140024;1432107565;mircea_popescu;nope.
1140025;1432107576;isaackl;What?
1140026;1432107576;ben_vulpes;my problem is finding the things that fit in my head
1140027;1432107584;mircea_popescu;that's not the formula.
1140028;1432107659;isaackl;mircea_popescu: k
1140029;1432107674;isaackl;What is this, a Google interview?
1140030;1432107716;mircea_popescu;Idt = Mdt / _M3 + C%dt.
1140031;1432107719;mircea_popescu;and now we read it out loud :
1140032;1432107733;ben_vulpes;this is ASSETTTTTS
1140033;1432107748;mircea_popescu;bitcoin inflation over an interval equals the mined coins over that interval divided by the average monetary mass during that interval plus the percent change over that interval.
1140034;1432107762;mircea_popescu;Estimated Percent Change: -2.76227 << that thing is the last term.
1140035;1432107779;mircea_popescu;bitcoin nominal inflation may be whatever it may be, but its REAL inflation is always zero.
1140036;1432107796;ben_vulpes;what is "real" inflation?
1140037;1432107807;mircea_popescu;obviously before bitcoin nobody even understood that there is ANOTHER kind of real inflation, and thus therefore the real inflation from before is actually yet another kind of nominal inflation
1140038;1432107810;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes.
1140039;1432107825;isaackl;Because the mining rate is known in advance and already priced in?
1140040;1432107835;ben_vulpes;difference between what one expects the monetary base to do and what it's actually doing?
1140041;1432107838;mircea_popescu;anyway, all this given here to underscore the fact that this shit is really fucking complex, to the point of excluding most specialists, let alone amateurs.
1140042;1432107842;mircea_popescu;isaackl no. vice-versa
1140043;1432107847;mircea_popescu;because IT prices YOU in.
1140044;1432107878;isaackl;Damn you're like a Zen master. You need a stick
1140045;1432107898;mircea_popescu;i am just very old.
1140046;1432107972;isaackl;Anyway, all I was getting to is that in the long run, even gold is softer than bitcoin
1140047;1432107983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00029184 = 18.561 BTC [+] {3} 
1140048;1432108014;isaackl;And in the universe where everyone with USD is a hyper-rational optimal investor, bitcoin takes over.
1140049;1432108069;ben_vulpes;in all universes.
1140050;1432108093;ben_vulpes;there is no better money.
1140051;1432108170;isaackl;Clearly not this universe. And gold has the advantage that people have millenia of experience securing physical things. Bitcoin can be more secure than gold, if you know what you're doing. But people lose wallets, forget passwords, choose crackable keys, etc
1140052;1432108175;isaackl;Not a problem with bitcoin
1140053;1432108189;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, for the journos and other news fiends watching the log : i came to a resolution of a major sticking point re the rsa factorisation thing, large article coming in a few hours.
1140054;1432108196;ben_vulpes;ah shit
1140055;1432108199;ben_vulpes;i was going to go to sleep
1140056;1432108202;isaackl;But is a problem for people considering using it.
1140057;1432108214;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you goitta sleep sometime
1140058;1432108218;ben_vulpes;isaackl: gold has this vault problem.
1140059;1432108229;isaackl;ben_vulpes
1140060;1432108230;ben_vulpes;big, obvious, easily walked off with by your local government.
1140061;1432108241;isaackl;ben_vulpes: yeah. another pro to btc
1140062;1432108243;ben_vulpes;assuming that you can even amass a quantity of the real stuff, and aren't playing with paper.
1140063;1432108256;ben_vulpes;besides, securing physical things comes down to guns.
1140064;1432108259;mircea_popescu;the monopoly on violence problem makes everyone unable to actually hold gold.
1140065;1432108273;ben_vulpes;yeah, that.
1140066;1432108291;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/#selection-267.231-267.710 <
1140067;1432108351;isaackl;What I'm getting to is, if you can make a secure wallet that's easy to use for, say, the peter schiffs of the world, that increases the demand for bitcoin, no?
1140068;1432108351;ben_vulpes;no.
1140069;1432108351;ben_vulpes;they have staff.
1140070;1432108351;ben_vulpes;if they want btc, they get btc.
1140071;1432108370;mircea_popescu;isaackl you really think i depend on you to make me the tools that the universe requires for my survival ?
1140072;1432108385;ben_vulpes;what's scaring people off (which is unimportant, but let's pretend for a moment) is the horrendous shitpile that the bitcoin source actually is.
1140073;1432108388;mircea_popescu;what's next, if you could make a bomber plane that could get through china's defenses then that'd increase demand for planes ?
1140074;1432108404;mircea_popescu;i.... i imagine they know that.
1140075;1432108476;isaackl;mircea_popescu: no.
1140076;1432108498;isaackl;To be clear, I wasn't proposing to make such a thing.
1140077;1432108499;ben_vulpes;isaackl: your 'wallet' experiment also suffers from the inescapable existence of ease of use and security of cryptographic goods at opposite poles.
1140078;1432108569;isaackl;ben_vulpes: indeed. even smart people fuck this shit up
1140079;1432108588;ben_vulpes;and /routinely/.
1140080;1432108606;ben_vulpes;the only way to get good at it is to do it.
1140081;1432108608;ben_vulpes;repeatedly.
1140082;1432108639;mircea_popescu;that's what the abbot told the virgin, at any rate.
1140083;1432108639;ben_vulpes;as with dance, sex, wine, etc. skin in the game as a prerequisite for competence.
1140084;1432108961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28720 @ 0.00029211 = 8.3894 BTC [+]
1140085;1432108961;ben_vulpes;!up isaackl
1140086;1432108963;*;ben_vulpes yawns
1140087;1432109018;isaackl;what's next, if you could make a bomber plane that could get through china's defenses  then  that'd increase demand for planes ? < Yes. Increased utility of bomber planes, USD would buy  more
1140088;1432109081;isaackl;Improve security of cryptographic goods, demand for bitcoin goes up
1140089;1432109109;ben_vulpes;dude it takes a day to set up a rock solid btc infrastructure
1140090;1432109132;ben_vulpes;if you don't have a day to do it correctly, you don't need to be in bitcoin badly enough
1140091;1432109188;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/btc/res/245.html << pls tell me dank of tardstalk.org fame is not now an internet meme !?
1140092;1432109248;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139747 <<< i dunno but i think anything grown in your backyard has you eating as a king, not a poor pleb
1140093;1432109248;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 01:11:02; BingoBoingo: Today was the day of the planting of ornamental amaranths (Celosia). See cazalla I'm totally planting edible plants if I want to eat like the world's desperately poor!
1140094;1432109248;ben_vulpes;"generas unique design makes it possible to make logic changes and feature enhancements to it on the fly without disrupting day-to-day operations of your users" << asciilifeform but how?
1140095;1432109335;mircea_popescu;cazalla agreed.
1140096;1432109800;mircea_popescu;!up rdymac__
1140097;1432110012;isaackl;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139957 < Sure. And there aren't many rational reasons for people to hand over their bitcoins. (While most of the economy runs on fiat, makes sense to spend fiat and hoard btc). Gambling sites seem like one of the few options
1140098;1432110012;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 07:23:40; ben_vulpes: a sensible btc business makes bitcoins for its owners
1140099;1432110020;isaackl;SDICE, BBET, etc
1140100;1432110071;isaackl;Gambling is rational if it's one of the rare games like poker where you can get an edge. Hard to design games like that, you need to convince the fish they can win too
1140101;1432110117;mircea_popescu;sdice was -ev
1140102;1432110156;isaackl;mircea_popescu: yeah. In which case you're basically selling entertainment
1140103;1432110162;davout;mircea_popescu: unless martingale1!!1
1140104;1432110171;mircea_popescu;davout o right you are :p
1140105;1432110193;davout;which goes back to convincing the fish they can get an edge
1140106;1432110240;davout;imo it's the only thing that makes the dice games profitable, the endless supply of martingale-chumps
1140107;1432110264;isaackl;Yeah. Poker is great at that, fishy play gets you the occasional exciting big win. Fishy play is -ev of course, but high variance
1140108;1432110320;isaackl;So on a table with 2 sharks and 6 fish, 2 fish will win a lot, the sharks and house will consistently make a little, and 4 fish will lose
1140109;1432110338;isaackl;Online poker eventually saw an accumulation of sharks and the fish left
1140110;1432110475;isaackl;And some fish just love to gamble. I used to do marketing for the mobile-slots chumpatron, humorously people pay real money but they can't cash out real money
1140111;1432110493;isaackl;But the virtual gambling kick is enough
1140112;1432110538;mircea_popescu;davout hey, the first math class that pays for itself.
1140113;1432110560;ben_vulpes;everyone in that class fails out
1140114;1432110579;mircea_popescu;isaackl wait. the stupid "X Y Z" themed slot machines in ipad store ?
1140115;1432110590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18934 @ 0.00028905 = 5.4729 BTC [-]
1140116;1432110590;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's how you run a real school.
1140117;1432110602;isaackl;mircea_popescu: yep. Android only these days
1140118;1432110609;mircea_popescu;dude how the fuck does this stupid shit work
1140119;1432110614;mircea_popescu;i've been trying to figure this out.
1140120;1432110615;isaackl;Biggest money-making gaming genre on the play store
1140121;1432110622;mircea_popescu;so... why not just you know, play a free one ?!
1140122;1432110638;mircea_popescu;why not draw the thing on paper and win all the time ?
1140123;1432110642;mircea_popescu;my mind was so blown...
1140124;1432110651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174000 @ 0.00027518 = 47.8813 BTC [-]
1140125;1432110717;isaackl;My personal theory was it's similar psychology to RPGs, clicker games, even strategy games a little bit. You're constantly chasing advnatages which let you chase advantages, etc
1140126;1432110749;isaackl;So people playing slots aren't trying to win so they can buy stuff. They want to win so they get more gambling tokens
1140127;1432110785;mircea_popescu;but...
1140128;1432110800;mircea_popescu;eh i give up.
1140129;1432110909;cazalla;they tried to ban em down under but no luck
1140130;1432110924;cazalla;pokies ipad games are popular with the kids though
1140131;1432110974;cazalla;must be a different type of addict who plays them, i can't imagine your typical gambler playing them seeing there is no moment of win/loss
1140132;1432111069;isaackl;mircea_popescu: what can I say, maybe they have no purpose, only dopamine causes
1140133;1432111089;mircea_popescu;cazalla ikr?
1140134;1432111102;mircea_popescu;isaackl i think they're too advanced for my puny brain
1140135;1432111116;mircea_popescu;the brancusi of digital.
1140136;1432111140;isaackl;We targeted women in their 50s and 60s in places like Florida, if that makes sense
1140137;1432111170;isaackl;FB lets you do things like target cigarette smokers. Who says it's not useful...
1140138;1432111224;mircea_popescu;so you used to do what, marketing for this ?
1140139;1432111275;isaackl;Yeah
1140140;1432111453;mircea_popescu;how would you like to do some marketing for me then ?
1140141;1432111749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60050 @ 0.00027518 = 16.5246 BTC [-]
1140142;1432111769;ben_vulpes;http://poker.cs.ualberta.ca/publications/IJCAI03.pdf
1140143;1432112667;mircea_popescu;13 keys so far btw.
1140144;1432112684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88850 @ 0.00028146 = 25.0077 BTC [+]
1140145;1432113072;kakobrekla;any interesting ones?
1140146;1432113098;ben_vulpes;lol you thought bitcoin needed space
1140147;1432113118;ben_vulpes;a leading poker bot takes 12 TB of compressed data
1140148;1432113461;mircea_popescu;yes.
1140149;1432113604;mircea_popescu;anyway, coupla hours.
1140150;1432114650;isaackl;mircea_popescu: very much so.
1140151;1432114686;mircea_popescu;ok, here's the deal : bitbet has a referral system, where one gets 1% of the value of bets made by referrals.
1140152;1432114698;mircea_popescu;you get a 1btc budget, your job is to get > 1 btc in referrals over a month.
1140153;1432114757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00028692 = 6.6135 BTC [+]
1140154;1432114852;mircea_popescu;in here dood.
1140155;1432115033;isaackl;ok. online marketing for this kind of thing is usually about finding an under-exploited channel.
1140156;1432115104;isaackl;what are people currently doing for bitbet referrals,how much low-hanging fruit has been plucked?
1140157;1432115184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88355 @ 0.00028146 = 24.8684 BTC [-]
1140158;1432115218;mircea_popescu;i dun think anyone did much of anything.
1140159;1432115224;Adlai;isaackl: the most successful referrals are in useful banners, eg http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/1128/
1140160;1432115285;mircea_popescu;i would guess 90% of all marketing is happening on 8chan via mike_c s banners
1140161;1432115285;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/btc/ < up there
1140162;1432115346;isaackl;The only banner I see links to trilema? But yeah, ifhe 8chan ads are fairly new, there's probably a ton of optimising can be done
1140163;1432115471;mircea_popescu;well reload.
1140164;1432115475;mircea_popescu;and they are 5 days old or so.
1140165;1432115494;mircea_popescu;and yes there's probably a ton of work that can be done. just needs someone competent to do it.
1140166;1432115502;isaackl;Then most certainly yes.
1140167;1432115567;mircea_popescu;aite, addy ?
1140168;1432115585;isaackl;email or btc?
1140169;1432115607;mircea_popescu;btc, for your budget.
1140170;1432115673;adlai;isaackl: banners such as http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/1128/ad.png linking to eg http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/?ref=1Egc5vkin3zemK4rAP8Vj3gnpg4XrK55Tg
1140171;1432115794;adlai;will establish the referral cookie for a month or so
1140172;1432116045;isaackl;1Bum3oXxbCLUg54snyL6rmBz7vRBuPUr6G
1140173;1432116097;mircea_popescu;aite you'll have it later today.
1140174;1432116104;isaackl;Cool!
1140175;1432116132;isaackl;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139982 < and yes, I'll follow this advice
1140176;1432116132;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 07:29:53; mircea_popescu: 1) find some group you respect ; 2) work on their ideas ; 3) there is no 3. you will have ideas, yes, but you'll never have to try and sell them like noobs with "my film idea" in hollywood.
1140177;1432116149;adlai;the world according to 1bum
1140178;1432116481;isaackl;mircea_popescu: and how do you prefer to communicate? all through the channel?
1140179;1432116518;mircea_popescu;i prefer to not communicate lol. do your job, report the methodology and results once you're done. you got a blog ?
1140180;1432116891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89600 @ 0.00028802 = 25.8066 BTC [+] {2} 
1140181;1432116952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73171 @ 0.00028069 = 20.5384 BTC [-] {2} 
1140182;1432117000;mircea_popescu;15.
1140183;1432117005;mircea_popescu;holy shit on a fuckstick.
1140184;1432117339;cazalla;hey isaackl, i know this one weird tip if you need some help
1140185;1432117684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123100 @ 0.0002927 = 36.0314 BTC [+] {3} 
1140186;1432119046;jurov;mike_c tyvm!
1140187;1432119218;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu 0.5%
1140188;1432119227;mircea_popescu;oh right.
1140189;1432119331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00028246 = 12.8237 BTC [-]
1140190;1432119453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26577 @ 0.00028246 = 7.5069 BTC [-]
1140191;1432119582;mircea_popescu;;;later tell vexual what's the story there ?
1140192;1432119582;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1140193;1432119941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51050 @ 0.00028246 = 14.4196 BTC [-]
1140194;1432121156;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/
1140195;1432121216;mircea_popescu;feel free to put it in... uh... hn, lmao.
1140196;1432121216;fluffypony;lol
1140197;1432121303;davout;mircea_popescu: it's on hn, let's watch the ranking pattern
1140198;1432121314;davout;off to read it
1140199;1432121327;mircea_popescu;o, it's glorious.
1140200;1432121600;davout;so far, the ranking is on par with "I've been saying “Parmesan” wrong my whole life"
1140201;1432121704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00028246 = 6.6519 BTC [-]
1140202;1432121782;fluffypony;davout: that was a great post!
1140203;1432121783;fluffypony;:-P
1140204;1432121834;kakobrekla;davout> so far, the ranking is on par with "I've been saying “Parmesan” wrong my whole life" < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPyFRa39AMk
1140205;1432121894;mircea_popescu;better to say it wrong than eat it wrong amirite
1140206;1432121894;davout;kakobrekla: kek
1140207;1432121915;mircea_popescu;lol
1140208;1432121950;kakobrekla;since I saw this clip, i always try to mispronounce it, if i remember on time.
1140209;1432122057;mircea_popescu;;;later tell justjanne Raphael Nicolai Fabian Randschau (Uni Kiel) <rra-squee-informatik.uni-kiel.de> top keks.
1140210;1432122057;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1140211;1432122195;kakobrekla;and this is the hn effect, supposedly http://i.imgur.com/AXyjE0h.png
1140212;1432122255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171573 @ 0.00027958 = 47.9684 BTC [-] {2} 
1140213;1432122255;scoopbot_revived;More factored RSA keys, and assorted other considerations http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/
1140214;1432122255;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla on what, logs ?
1140215;1432122255;kakobrekla;logs mostly but other stuff that runs on same box is included
1140216;1432122255;mircea_popescu;aha
1140217;1432122255;mircea_popescu;nb.
1140218;1432122707;davout;number 23 : "PGP Global Directory Verification Key" <<< !!1
1140219;1432122717;mircea_popescu;you dont say.
1140220;1432122748;davout;some guy from gnupg
1140221;1432122766;davout;"debian.sur5r.net Archive Automatic Signing Key"
1140222;1432122777;davout;"Apple Product Security"
1140223;1432122816;*;mircea_popescu underscores the ~probably~. it is not a certainly. not yet at least. moar uranium has to be mined first.
1140224;1432122840;davout;but these are keys that simply -declare- this as an UID right?
1140225;1432122862;mircea_popescu;dja want me to publish the actual archive as spit out by the test ?
1140226;1432122876;davout;not sure i'd know how to exploit it
1140227;1432122895;davout;might be interesting to have a table with the fingerprints matched with the uids you list
1140228;1432122904;mircea_popescu;kinda left it as it is so people can independently check.
1140229;1432122917;mircea_popescu;it's all a pgp keyserver archive download + python script away
1140230;1432122925;davout;yea
1140231;1432123170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44790 @ 0.00027518 = 12.3253 BTC [-]
1140232;1432123475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133494 @ 0.00027886 = 37.2261 BTC [+]
1140233;1432123597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76355 @ 0.00027886 = 21.2924 BTC [+]
1140234;1432124333;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139474 << im not reading fucking pdfs
1140235;1432124333;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 17:54:59; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu very relevant >> http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/techreports/2004/cacr2004-01.pdf
1140236;1432126191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i keep various cheap gadgets around that will eat pdfs. you can get chinese printer that will, etc. (why? well, mathematical material is not likely to exist in any other form)
1140237;1432126253;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: item in question treated rsa weakening from the use of peculiarly large exponents.
1140238;1432126314;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140218 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140221 << l0l aha. was waiting for somebody to notice.
1140239;1432126314;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 11:51:47; davout: number 23 : "PGP Global Directory Verification Key" <<< !!1
1140240;1432126314;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 11:52:46; davout: "debian.sur5r.net Archive Automatic Signing Key"
1140241;1432126338;Apocalyptic;(why? well, mathematical material is not likely to exist in any other form) // except postscript maybe
1140242;1432126360;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: postscript suffers from precisely same problems as pdf (which is, after all, a minor variation on the former)
1140243;1432126372;Apocalyptic;yeah, i'm not saying it's saner
1140244;1432126403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 288400 @ 0.00027025 = 77.9401 BTC [-] {5} 
1140245;1432126473;asciilifeform;until i saw the auto-updater crud, my most parsimonious hypothesis re: the matter treated in last section of mircea_popescu's article was that the buggers built a straight chumpmagnet, where lusers would search sks for email addr. of someone or other, and end up with latest key (try it) displayed being one of the 'magic' ones
1140246;1432126615;asciilifeform;i presently suspect that there are versions of sks (and/or other pgptronics) which will stupidly display a legit fp for the magical keys.
1140247;1432127058;asciilifeform;aaand we're up to 19.
1140248;1432127114;kakobrekla;are you going to automate the display of results or will it be a full time job?
1140249;1432127120;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: what do you think.
1140250;1432127130;kakobrekla;you know me, 230v mains.
1140251;1432127252;asciilifeform;and yes, changes are coming.
1140252;1432127292;asciilifeform;(such as 10x speedup, new tests - e.g., pollard-rho; etc)
1140253;1432127447;asciilifeform;other observations - some of the items on the target list are of obvious diddlomatic interest; others are probably humint targets - some of them, rather intriguing, e.g., mr robert j hansen of http://sixdemonbag.org/bio.xhtml
1140254;1432127507;asciilifeform;and the various 'pirate party' folks, perhaps, will take some pleasure in seeing their names in this list.
1140255;1432127511;asciilifeform;and how many of the data points are smokescreen ?
1140256;1432127534;asciilifeform;(picture the stereotypical schoolboy who logs in to change his marks. does he change his and chums' alone? only if idiot)
1140257;1432127688;kakobrekla;nah, taking in account the latest development, cosmic ray can alter all grades from a single student.
1140258;1432127719;asciilifeform;aha
1140259;1432128361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00027886 = 16.2297 BTC [+]
1140260;1432129063;mircea_popescu;mod6 nice work on the perf tests btw.
1140261;1432129074;mircea_popescu;any idea what caused the oom ? if anything identifiable at all.
1140262;1432129108;asciilifeform;mod6: and am i correct in my reading that thermonuke ver. never died ?
1140263;1432129121;mircea_popescu;it would seem so.
1140264;1432129124;mircea_popescu;which... yeah.
1140265;1432129140;asciilifeform;it still frags like hell though
1140266;1432129159;mircea_popescu;yeah
1140267;1432129162;asciilifeform;but 'unfrags' to keep pace if you're on a real computer
1140268;1432129180;asciilifeform;this is still not victory, but at least not runaway fandango
1140269;1432129202;mircea_popescu;it's pretty close.
1140270;1432129209;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140245 <<< the correct way to perform such an attack would be to also generate a short keyid collision
1140271;1432129209;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 12:54:33; asciilifeform: until i saw the auto-updater crud, my most parsimonious hypothesis re: the matter treated in last section of mircea_popescu's article was that the buggers built a straight chumpmagnet, where lusers would search sks for email addr. of someone or other, and end up with latest key (try it) displayed being one of the 'magic' ones
1140272;1432129220;mircea_popescu;yes.
1140273;1432129244;asciilifeform;davout: i was wondering same thing, as you might expect. anyone got an ancient copy of pgp for winblows handy ?
1140274;1432129282;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 nice work on the perf tests btw. << thx!
1140275;1432129284;davout;!s short id
1140276;1432129284;assbot;1 results for 'short id' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=short+id
1140277;1432129284;mircea_popescu;oh sht
1140278;1432129285;asciilifeform;betcha some of the magickeys show a legit evil32.com
1140279;1432129294;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: and am i correct in my reading that thermonuke ver. never died ? << correct.
1140280;1432129295;mircea_popescu;THATs what needs to be tested. pgpwin and what else was there ?
1140281;1432129298;mircea_popescu;and the apple one
1140282;1432129303;mircea_popescu;we'll get jack with the linux versions
1140283;1432129304;mod6;and 19 broken moduli nao
1140284;1432129313;mod6;wow.
1140285;1432129331;davout;aaand the HN story is at... wait for it... 3 points
1140286;1432129335;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that the 'apple product safety' thing is a target. that is, folks filing bug reports 'confidentially'
1140287;1432129340;mircea_popescu;davout aww!
1140288;1432129343;mircea_popescu;does it have negvotes ?
1140289;1432129345;asciilifeform;apple, afaik, doesn't sell a pgptron
1140290;1432129353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is a pgp for mac thing yes
1140291;1432129358;davout;mircea_popescu: i don't know, i really don't hang around hn very much
1140292;1432129365;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ^
1140293;1432129373;asciilifeform;other habitual mac users ?
1140294;1432129379;asciilifeform;diametric ?
1140295;1432129389;davout;mircea_popescu: on osx you can either build GPG, or use this macgpg stuff, i use the former, so can't really help here
1140296;1432129391;*;asciilifeform will ask around
1140297;1432129413;mircea_popescu;https://ssd.eff.org/files/2015/01/20/gpgsuite.png <<<
1140298;1432129562;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> any idea what caused the oom ? if anything identifiable at all. << nothing specific yet. although the charts are interesting. Process Switches hit 4k before going to zero.
1140299;1432129621;mircea_popescu;davout apparently "it�s impossible to downvote anything on Hacker News". i guess story just isn't interesting.
1140300;1432129649;asciilifeform;should've mentioned japanese toilets, perhaps
1140301;1432129654;asciilifeform;then it'd be a mega-hit.
1140302;1432129673;asciilifeform;as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-05-2015#1135161
1140303;1432129673;assbot;Logged on 17-05-2015 19:23:18; davout: HN now displays "Why Japanese Toilets Are Failing in America (2013)" higher than this
1140304;1432129829;mircea_popescu;anyway, enough stuff in phuctor's wake to keep dozens of crypto researchers busy for monthys if not years.
1140305;1432129845;mircea_popescu;it's the equivalent of a tractor that just plowed through virgin land. all those delicious worms!
1140306;1432130065;mircea_popescu;davout 138.More factored RSA keys, and assorted other considerations (trilema.com)3 points by davout 2 hours ago | discuss << it's greyed out, so i guess it got neg'd somehow.
1140307;1432130086;davout;scam
1140308;1432130202;mircea_popescu;cat trilema-20may2015.txt | grep -c "more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations"
1140309;1432130202;mircea_popescu;3826
1140310;1432130214;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't be too worried about it, it's probably on everyone's im
1140311;1432130327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 35015 @ 0.00009 = 3.1514 BTC [-]
1140312;1432130455;davout;asciilifeform: any recommendations on general purpose cryptography books?
1140313;1432130589;asciilifeform;davout: there isn't terribly much good material other than the original 'red book' by - yes - schneier
1140314;1432130602;asciilifeform;(before they scooped out his brain)
1140315;1432130616;asciilifeform;'applied cryptography' 2nd ed.
1140316;1432130618;davout;yeah, i saw this one
1140317;1432130626;asciilifeform;there is another mega-book:
1140318;1432130632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57717 @ 0.00027414 = 15.8225 BTC [-]
1140319;1432130637;asciilifeform;crc's 'handbook of applied cryptography'
1140320;1432130657;asciilifeform;http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/hac
1140321;1432130717;asciilifeform;^ all of the chapters on www
1140322;1432130717;asciilifeform;i have the dead tree, it is very nice.
1140323;1432130717;davout;i can't read books on a screen
1140324;1432130717;asciilifeform;get the tree.
1140325;1432130717;davout;yes
1140326;1432130732;asciilifeform;more or less the entire rest of the library on this subject is either pulp for lusers, or very narrow treatises for specialists
1140327;1432130739;davout;gonna get the schneier one to get started
1140328;1432130750;asciilifeform;(mainly bound journal reprints)
1140329;1432130773;asciilifeform;not a bad place to start. but very bad place to end.
1140330;1432130798;asciilifeform;unrelated, the toilets piece - http://www.tofugu.com/2013/07/22/why-japanese-toilets-are-failing-in-america - is pretty lulzy
1140331;1432130858;mircea_popescu;iguess someone really should write a reasonable, 500 page, college degree (any field, proper) required to read crypto overview
1140332;1432130858;mircea_popescu;it's damned time.
1140333;1432130858;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from 2013 ?!
1140334;1432130858;asciilifeform;hey it's 'news' !
1140335;1432130858;asciilifeform;hn thinks so, no ?
1140336;1432130864;asciilifeform;unless i somehow picked up wrong link
1140337;1432130884;mircea_popescu;weird.
1140338;1432130886;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560985 << right link.
1140339;1432130946;asciilifeform;yes, 2013.
1140340;1432130946;mircea_popescu;i guess they're slow.
1140341;1432130946;mircea_popescu;any bets on whether bock shows up incidentally ?
1140342;1432130960;davout;so wrt the schneier book i see 'second edition', and '20th anniversary edition'
1140343;1432131010;mircea_popescu;get the 90s version.
1140344;1432131020;mircea_popescu;i don't remember what all he retardified post 2004
1140345;1432131020;asciilifeform;davout: i cannot comment re: whether 20th anniversary thing censored any of the goodies from 2nd ed, or added nonsense. but it strikes me as likely.
1140346;1432131035;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/wx/src/1432062121946-1.png << heh.
1140347;1432131119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139493 << you're sensitive :)
1140348;1432131119;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 18:42:29; jurov: both sides of that discussion made me cringe
1140349;1432131217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118194 @ 0.0002731 = 32.2788 BTC [-] {2} 
1140350;1432131324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude that zdnet article was probably the most idiotic thing i read today.
1140351;1432131332;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is everyone involved on ?
1140352;1432131360;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ru lags as usual, https://threatpost.ru/2015/05/20/otstavit-paniku-4096-bitnye-rsa-klyuchi-ne-skomprometirovany
1140353;1432131420;asciilifeform;'debunked, rsa not broken' << 'this thread is about kittenz' (TM)
1140354;1432131420;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they readily admit "we took register piece and translated"
1140355;1432131420;asciilifeform;sop
1140356;1432131424;asciilifeform;at least spelled name this time.
1140357;1432131424;mircea_popescu;is that thing even read ?
1140358;1432131435;asciilifeform;kaspersky? yes, read.
1140359;1432131457;mircea_popescu;threatpost.ru ? 0 comments everywhere, i never heard of it etc.
1140360;1432131490;asciilifeform;before long, herr b�ck will claim that he tipped us off to the mess of diddled keys on sks.
1140361;1432131503;mircea_popescu;"Dennis Fisher � Michael Mimoso � Christopher Brook � Brian Donohue � Anne Saita."
1140362;1432131513;mircea_popescu;say wut ? seems random spamsite, but in russian.
1140363;1432131531;asciilifeform;tentacle of kaspersky iirc.
1140364;1432131561;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/hac << i have this one too lol
1140365;1432131621;asciilifeform;mod6: probably the most 'serious' general-purpose encyclopaedic work on crypto.
1140366;1432131621;mod6;yeah, it's solid
1140367;1432131621;asciilifeform;at least, in the public.
1140368;1432131649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/e_kaspersky_ru
1140369;1432131709;asciilifeform;^ him, i think.
1140370;1432131709;mircea_popescu;aha
1140371;1432131793;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139507 << "a state of anarchy" is even better. like this glass being full of empty.
1140372;1432131793;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 19:09:47; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-05-2015#1138061 < anarchy is retarded
1140373;1432131838;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139512 << i am too nonconformist to hang out with you guys anymore.
1140374;1432131838;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 19:13:16; jurov: ANARCHY MUST BE ENFORCED AT ALL COSTS
1140375;1432131871;vampyr;true anarchy comes from within outside!
1140376;1432131999;mod6;:]
1140377;1432132002;mircea_popescu;shit being emo gets boring real quick.
1140378;1432132047;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139522 << it's a thing, yo. the history of "nordic countries" (post roman empire, because pre that history consisted of being pretty much the pasthun of the time, raped with a sharpened stake covered in burning greek fire) is like so :
1140379;1432132047;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 19:21:04; decimation: mircea seems to credit the german geography for why 'nordic freedom' 'seems to work'.  but I suggest it is the people themselves - having been beaten by the romans for centuries, and then forced by the church to mate outside their immediate family, they developed a concept of 'kinship' beyond L2 cousins
1140380;1432132067;mircea_popescu;a) god hath decided to give free herring out in the scania sounds. consequently, swedes now have a kingdom
1140381;1432132130;mircea_popescu;b) god hath moved on, so now five centuries of hard labour and being basically as dirt-poor and pan troglodytus as the russian mujik.
1140382;1432132154;mircea_popescu;c) god comes back in the shape of Kennedy and the Fulda gap. herring is being airlifted into berlin
1140383;1432132172;mircea_popescu;d) god shapeshifts into a large oil find
1140384;1432132181;mircea_popescu;e) that's going away. we are here.
1140385;1432132235;mircea_popescu;for as long as the free herring still lasts, they can run around derping about how they meditatively comprehensified the deep secrets of the universe.
1140386;1432132253;mircea_popescu;predictably, it'll be something utterly retarded like "stalin did it wrong, and marx was nordiccounntries.jpg anyway".
1140387;1432132282;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea what west germany was thinking when it allowed the scumbags to join civilisation without first hanging every "intellectual" of the eastern school.
1140388;1432132334;mircea_popescu;instead of parading them naked through the streets with a "i was a fucktard and am now sorry" thing around their neck, they let them sit around for twenty years coming up with reasons as to how their idiocy "wasn't really all that bad".
1140389;1432132358;mircea_popescu;one only needs to look at the czech commies post ru invasion to understand exactly how abject people actually are.
1140390;1432132635;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2014#581041 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2014#581042
1140391;1432132635;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2014 20:41:17; asciilifeform: Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conver
1140392;1432132635;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2014 20:41:18; asciilifeform: ght run as follows: Today we've got a friendship evening with shit-eaters', or Today we're having some shit-eaters to dinner. Prepare a suitable menu'.'
1140393;1432132690;mircea_popescu;aha.
1140394;1432133112;mircea_popescu;(for the record : the life of a smerd, like that of a kholop, was worth 5 grivna. that's about enough metal to make a decent shovel - roughly speaking the smartphone of the time)
1140395;1432133537;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139580 << sveet.
1140396;1432133537;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 21:22:35; *: ascii_field pictures slaves sweating
1140397;1432133566;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139600 << nice going. seems stable enough so far.
1140398;1432133566;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 22:35:12; williamdunne: Should be 24/7, on an actual server and is cloaked
1140399;1432133600;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139620 << this.
1140400;1432133600;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 22:45:37; trinque: I'll negrate people who abuse it
1140401;1432133640;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139628 << voice is not the criteria jurov
1140402;1432133640;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 22:50:05; jurov: if someone uses temporary voice to resubmit existing deed 1000 times, deedbot has nothing to say about it?
1140403;1432133642;mircea_popescu;!up Helvetik
1140404;1432133656;Helvetik;Hi, Bonjour !
1140405;1432133697;mircea_popescu;hello. who're you ?
1140406;1432133749;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139657 << it would, and the whole thing's about bastards in the wild.
1140407;1432133749;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 23:33:00; asciilifeform: (this could underplay the effect of 'bastards' however)
1140408;1432133764;Helvetik;Sorry, I juste speak a little english. I'm here for to talk with davout
1140409;1432133797;fluffypony;abonjour
1140410;1432133799;fluffypony;bonjour
1140411;1432133802;fluffypony;that thing
1140412;1432133816;mircea_popescu;aok.
1140413;1432133828;davout;Helvetik: if you really don't speak that much english mebbe join #bitcoin-fr, will be less painful for you :-)
1140414;1432133830;*;fluffypony is on a train to Paris
1140415;1432133834;fluffypony;Helvetik: https://forum.getmonero.org/14/events/277/monero-meetup-paris-france-may-21th-2015
1140416;1432133894;fluffypony;you must attend!
1140417;1432133894;davout;fluffypony: on IRC? nice! still up for the monero meeting tomorrow?
1140418;1432133894;fluffypony;davout: Thalys have on-board wifi :)
1140419;1432133908;davout;fluffypony: the electric plugs are there only for the show on regular french trains
1140420;1432133914;davout;so wifi is nice
1140421;1432133921;fluffypony;lol
1140422;1432133944;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how're you enjoying yurp ?
1140423;1432134019;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's been fun
1140424;1432134026;fluffypony;had a meetup in Brussels last night
1140425;1432134027;mircea_popescu;cool.
1140426;1432134031;fluffypony;and a bunch of Romanians came
1140427;1432134098;mircea_popescu;anyone smart ?
1140428;1432134187;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139680 << speaking of this, am I the only one nonplussed by all this "we use <<best practices>> fixed exponent" bs ? it's an unavoidalbe magic number , okay, but it's tyhe sort that should eminently be a knob for the user. a proper gpg would have e user-settable at the key generation phase (with 65536+1 as a default, sure)
1140429;1432134187;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 00:29:41; mod6: take a look at this: http://dpaste.com/0SQPBKC.txt  Is there any reason when allocating the space for p & q to do Eulers totient they would initialize the space with 'p' and 'p', instead of 'p' & 'q'?
1140430;1432134236;mircea_popescu;maybe i wanna use e = 2686977, whose business is it.
1140431;1432134312;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: nah, some interesting guys but they're all just trying to do gambling stuff in Romania and elsewhere
1140432;1432134313;fluffypony;so nothing mindblowing
1140433;1432134320;mircea_popescu;aha.
1140434;1432134382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100200 @ 0.00026766 = 26.8195 BTC [-] {2} 
1140435;1432134809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28369 @ 0.00027388 = 7.7697 BTC [+] {2} 
1140436;1432135451;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> maybe i wanna use e = 2686977, whose business is it. << i was looking at this yesterday too, had the same impression. mpi_set_ui( e, 65537);
1140437;1432135550;mod6;by the end of the night i was digging into prime selection.  gnupg does fast fermat checks in several places, but im starting to wonder if it wouldn't also be benificial to just check against a list of "Carmichael numbers"
1140438;1432135846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95300 @ 0.00028287 = 26.9575 BTC [+]
1140439;1432136035;mod6;lol, or why not just use Miller-Rabin instead?!
1140440;1432136212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.00028501 = 25.5084 BTC [+]
1140441;1432136301;mircea_popescu;that's probabilistic tho
1140442;1432136341;mod6;oh it might actually do this somewhere anyway... there are some references in the docs... although i haven't found it in the code yet.
1140443;1432136578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155050 @ 0.00029236 = 45.3304 BTC [+] {4} 
1140444;1432136824;mod6;ahh, i see, you gotta pick the bases for a randomly.
1140445;1432136828;mod6;derp
1140446;1432136883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33031 @ 0.00028287 = 9.3435 BTC [-]
1140447;1432136918;mats;unemployed life so good
1140448;1432136928;mats;going to a music festival this weekend then san diego
1140449;1432136944;mats;looking forward to pounding trustfund hotties on drugs
1140450;1432136955;mircea_popescu;tape it.
1140451;1432137003;mats;lol.
1140452;1432137558;mod6;maybe its this is_prime function
1140453;1432137744;mod6;lol, they used to have this "rabin-miller" function in the first import of gnupg (as so it's dated) that takes a paremeter "MPI n" and then does nothing and returns 0; http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=blob;f=cipher/primegen.c;h=07d83d8314d8588e4f425a4d171fc41ebb3be4a9;hb=5393dd53c5e06f0458949217317601b2eaed8350G
1140454;1432137861;mircea_popescu;win
1140455;1432138433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you remember where the fuck is that discussion about how a good hardening approach is to deviate from the toolset the attacker might reasonably expect to find is ?
1140456;1432138731;Naphex;mircea_popescu: a good attacker will do discovery, and map everything ahead of time. while there are some pluses into deviating from the toolset. they mostly come from building your own. which is going to end up better fitted for the task
1140457;1432138739;Naphex;and you more knowledgeable into what runs where
1140458;1432138780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73749 @ 0.00026665 = 19.6652 BTC [-] {3} 
1140459;1432139146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00026361 = 5.2722 BTC [-]
1140460;1432139869;danielpbarron;!up Hasimir welcome to the biggest* best** irc channel!
1140461;1432139878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107950 @ 0.0002616 = 28.2397 BTC [-] {3} 
1140462;1432140122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103300 @ 0.00025942 = 26.7981 BTC [-] {2} 
1140463;1432140299;mircea_popescu;Naphex this was more re nsa diddled hardware.
1140464;1432140854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141849 @ 0.00026721 = 37.9035 BTC [+] {2} 
1140465;1432140970;Hasimir;danielpbarron, cheers ... you named it assbot?
1140466;1432141022;danielpbarron;no; I think kako did that
1140467;1432141040;Hasimir;well, whatever floats his boat I guess
1140468;1432141056;danielpbarron;I noticed you've got a +4 in my L2 and a 0 in assbot's
1140469;1432141119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139716 << yes, but i already sound too paranoid.
1140470;1432141119;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 00:42:58; decimation: so can someone explain why the nyse would have a bitcoin index without any actual bitcoin-backed securities for trade?
1140471;1432141150;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139712 << atm it's just weird. i have nfi what that'd do.
1140472;1432141150;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 00:41:46; mats: gpg is broke
1140473;1432141159;Hasimir;hmm, oh ratings ... I tend not to rate bots, not even mine
1140474;1432141204;mircea_popescu;!gettrust Hasimir
1140475;1432141206;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/
1140476;1432141223;Hasimir;and this key crap better not invalidate my pyme work
1140477;1432141258;Hasimir;that would be such a let down
1140478;1432141267;mircea_popescu;your what ?
1140479;1432141284;Hasimir;I ported the python bindings for gpgme to py3
1140480;1432141291;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139728 << there's a reason nobody (tm) is using it.
1140481;1432141291;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 00:47:39; mod6: holy shit gnupg v2 is bizzare! X_X
1140482;1432141298;mircea_popescu;da fuck knows what's in that code.
1140483;1432141321;mircea_popescu;Hasimir oh.
1140484;1432141351;Hasimir;meh, 2.0 is such a waste of time ... 2.1, however, comes with all manner of entertainment
1140485;1432141390;mircea_popescu;Hasimir mind giving a self-intro for they such as myself that apparently know you from 3rd parties but otherwise not ?
1140486;1432141412;Hasimir;it's currently in a branch of git.gnupg.org/gpgme (to be merged with master when I finish cleaning up the last of the ancient examples)
1140487;1432141516;Hasimir;assuming rsa isn't screwed by then, of course  ;)
1140488;1432141538;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139742 << eh, the mit. about as relevant for tech as uzbekistan for banana pies.
1140489;1432141538;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 00:58:59; pete_dushenski: and in other news, livejasmin is accepting btc, ripple raised $28 mn, and bitcoin is "leaderless" now : http://www.technologyreview.com/news/537486/leaderless-bitcoin-struggles-to-make-its-most-crucial-decision/
1140490;1432141726;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139775 << ahahaha wait seriously !? because of teh rsa ?
1140491;1432141726;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 01:19:10; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: so i walk into $redacted on monday and folks compare me to pons & fleischmann. so there'll be teasing, yes.
1140492;1432141729;mircea_popescu;!up Hasimir
1140493;1432141813;Hasimir;no, not seriously, there's a big difference between some bunch of people with crap entropy sources and rsa being borked
1140494;1432141860;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1140495;1432141873;ascii_field;Hasimir: who said it was borked ?
1140496;1432141879;ascii_field;other than idiot 'journalists'
1140497;1432141879;Hasimir;though it it turns out to be the "you must all use openpgp cards" crowd I will laugh and laugh ...
1140498;1432141904;*;mircea_popescu has trouble following .
1140499;1432141943;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140455 << was on your site.  and also see 'specificity of diddling' threads here.
1140500;1432141943;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 16:13:53; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you remember where the fuck is that discussion about how a good hardening approach is to deviate from the toolset the attacker might reasonably expect to find is ?
1140501;1432141943;danielpbarron;i have one of those cards; never used the thing
1140502;1432141944;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, a ref. to a particularly hard-line stance taken by some people on gnupg-users
1140503;1432141961;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes but where ;/
1140504;1432141969;mircea_popescu;gimme an actual keyword
1140505;1432142024;ascii_field;'how to airgap, practical guide' i think it was.
1140506;1432142039;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, well, listing a hundred and something frequent posters to gnupg-users with the statement "we probably have your private key" does imply a certain degree of breakage
1140507;1432142040;mircea_popescu;o was it.
1140508;1432142048;ascii_field;'Just as long as you actually know what you're doing, this sort of arrangement increases the costs of attacking your setup astronomically...'
1140509;1432142061;mircea_popescu;ah ty!
1140510;1432142070;ascii_field;but iirc there was another
1140511;1432142084;mircea_popescu;senile dementia is this sad situation when you recall what you said but not exactly nor where.
1140512;1432142090;mircea_popescu;apparently some get it in their 30s ;/
1140513;1432142118;ascii_field;conan doyle in the 'sherlock holmes' stories described this
1140514;1432142130;ascii_field;sorta the mental equivalent of a crowded hard disk. not quite same as senility
1140515;1432142163;mircea_popescu;let us hope so.
1140516;1432142427;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, take up chess, it helps keep you sharp(er)
1140517;1432142646;Hasimir;I returned to playing in order to make a good habit of it by the time senility struck in order to stave it off ... then discovered that years of IT logic paid off in unexpected ways
1140518;1432142684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00029399 = 11.9948 BTC [+]
1140519;1432142771;mircea_popescu;meh, chess. i'd rather play hanoi towers.
1140520;1432142820;ascii_field;http://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/36mi86/if_you_are_on_this_list_phuctor_may_have_your_pgp/ << shitsquad pushed 'the button' nulling 'ups' it appears, l0l
1140521;1432142889;mircea_popescu;i didn't know you were on reddit
1140522;1432142911;ascii_field;was ages ago, when it was actually readable ('06-'08 or so)
1140523;1432142922;mircea_popescu;ascii_field got a moment to peer review article ?
1140524;1432142929;ascii_field;aye
1140525;1432142948;ascii_field;out here without keys though
1140526;1432143027;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1EAGHJ9
1140527;1432143088;mircea_popescu;oh
1140528;1432143088;mircea_popescu;it'll wait.
1140529;1432143096;ascii_field;ok
1140530;1432143148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00028091 = 5.6182 BTC [-]
1140531;1432143772;mircea_popescu;"Some widely deployed RSA implementations choke on big RSA public exponents. E.g. the RSA code in Windows (CryptoAPI, used by Internet Explorer for HTTPS) insists on encoding the public exponent within a single 32-bit word; it cannot process a public key with a bigger public exponent."
1140532;1432143775;mircea_popescu;birdy says.
1140533;1432143782;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ^
1140534;1432143784;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1140535;1432143789;ascii_field;ahahahahhahahaha.
1140536;1432143815;mircea_popescu;i seem to recall seeing a step-by-two dance ? aha ?
1140537;1432143819;ascii_field;anyone know a winblowistic implementation of pgp ? as in, actually using microshit's api
1140538;1432143837;mircea_popescu;our luzers are on windoze 10/10.
1140539;1432143858;ascii_field;well aye, but traditional gpg built for mingw doesn't do this
1140540;1432143886;mircea_popescu;at least not that any of us've noticed.
1140541;1432143912;mircea_popescu;25 ppm occurences can very well be a tiny pore in an otherwise solid implementation.
1140542;1432144131;ascii_field;the lost world of winblows pgptrons, closed-source crypto, etc. will have to be vivisected, likely
1140543;1432144230;ascii_field;unrelated,
1140544;1432144233;ascii_field;who is https://twitter.com/crypto_zen ?
1140545;1432144296;ascii_field;in other news, herr kaspersky let in comment: https://threatpost.ru/2015/05/20/otstavit-paniku-4096-bitnye-rsa-klyuchi-ne-skomprometirovany/#comment-36991
1140546;1432144507;mircea_popescu;o look at that, quotes me ?!
1140547;1432144508;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1140548;1432145759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70850 @ 0.00029439 = 20.8575 BTC [+] {3} 
1140549;1432146292;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1139915 >> guy's reasonably informed huh.
1140550;1432146292;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 06:57:41; isaackl: And if Balaji is a USG shill he's a damn good actor
1140551;1432146325;ben_vulpes;claims to have read the logs, even!
1140552;1432146392;mircea_popescu;links to mpoe-pr on forum, even.
1140553;1432146422;mircea_popescu;dude, i remember the time back in 2012 when the pressure cooker wasn't on yet and all sorts of people didn't appear retarded.
1140554;1432146438;mircea_popescu;everyone's a dancer while sitting down.
1140555;1432146552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8182 @ 0.00028793 = 2.3558 BTC [-]
1140556;1432146639;mike_c;<isaackl> Yes. Increased utility of bomber planes, USD would buy more  << hm, how does the utility of the F35 compare to how much has been spent on it?
1140557;1432146673;mircea_popescu;is that thing even built yet ?
1140558;1432146706;mircea_popescu;"undergoing testing and final development by the United States"
1140559;1432146709;mircea_popescu;mkay, two weeks.
1140560;1432146714;mike_c;depends what you consider the thing.  I mean, an "F35" exists, and some things on it work..
1140561;1432146807;mircea_popescu;o look, total budget intended to pass 1 trn
1140562;1432146830;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1140563;1432146847;ascii_field;meanwhile... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/20/us_export_controls_0days
1140564;1432146907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55887 @ 0.00028793 = 16.0915 BTC [-]
1140565;1432146907;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1140566;1432146907;ben_vulpes;christ the braindamage.
1140567;1432147033;mircea_popescu;so what, we're not going to allow the us in gossipd ?
1140568;1432147043;ascii_field;in other nyooz, http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.oss.general/16861
1140569;1432147103;mats;mircea_popescu: has been built. lotsa videos around of it doin the hovering trick.
1140570;1432147103;mircea_popescu;heh. it also only has 2 a-a missiles ?
1140571;1432147103;mats;its utilitarian!
1140572;1432147103;mircea_popescu;oic.
1140573;1432147103;mats;does everything and sux at em all.
1140574;1432147114;mircea_popescu;so 2.5k planes of 2 missiles each. the chinese only have like 10k
1140575;1432147131;mircea_popescu;except of course by 10k we mean "can get up in the air at least 10k"
1140576;1432147141;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t0v5FIbb68
1140577;1432147201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66469 @ 0.00029499 = 19.6077 BTC [+] {2} 
1140578;1432147202;mircea_popescu;whereas by 2.5k we mean... uh.
1140579;1432147202;mats;short take-off to hover.
1140580;1432147202;mircea_popescu;maybe i miss something, but why do you want a plane to helicopter ?
1140581;1432147212;ascii_field;for use on carriers ?
1140582;1432147213;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW28Mb1YvwY vertical take-off
1140583;1432147273;mats;yeah, carriers and emergency landing zones.
1140584;1432147273;mats;e.g. in the field.
1140585;1432147273;mircea_popescu;but this is a fighter jet, right ?
1140586;1432147273;mircea_popescu;if you stop you're dead anyway
1140587;1432147273;mats;yeah. its stupid. design by committee.
1140588;1432147294;ascii_field;the need for runway is an ancient annoyance to airplane folks
1140589;1432147310;ascii_field;the attempts to do away with it - make sense
1140590;1432147337;mats;osprey's not doing so good so i guess they decided to experiment more with f-35.
1140591;1432147346;ascii_field;(conventional machine on runway is just as vulnerable as 'hoverer')
1140592;1432147352;mircea_popescu;section 3.5 - "some servers in our scans used Java's DSA primes as p,
1140593;1432147353;mircea_popescu;but mistakenly used the DSA group order q in the place of the
1140594;1432147353;mircea_popescu;generator g ... This substitution of q for g is likely due to a
1140595;1432147353;mircea_popescu;usability problem: the canonical ASN.1 representation of
1140596;1432147353;mircea_popescu;Diffie-Hellman key exchange parameters (coming from PKCS#3) is a
1140597;1432147353;mircea_popescu;sequence (p, g), while that of DSA parameters (coming from PKIX) is
1140598;1432147355;mircea_popescu;(p, q, g); we conjecture that the confusion between these formats led
1140599;1432147357;mircea_popescu;to a simple programming error."
1140600;1432147359;mircea_popescu;is this related to mod6 find in any sense ?
1140601;1432147419;ascii_field;not as i understand
1140602;1432147445;ascii_field;(and i'm still at a loss to craft a situation where gpg's p and q will occupy varying number of 'limbs' and lead to catastrophe in the given line)
1140603;1432147461;ascii_field;^ does not mean that such is impossible
1140604;1432147523;mircea_popescu;"the electronic edge F-35 enjoys over every other tactical aircraft in the world may prove to be more important in future missions than maneuverability" << check it out, it got wifi
1140605;1432147578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28165 @ 0.00029553 = 8.3236 BTC [+] {2} 
1140606;1432147581;ascii_field;where do horrors like http://blog.offeryour.com/?p=203240 come from ?
1140607;1432147641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32485 @ 0.00030253 = 9.8277 BTC [+] {2} 
1140608;1432147706;ben_vulpes;re: F-35 << "shuttle" debacle all over again
1140609;1432147783;mircea_popescu;the F-35C taking 43 seconds longer than an F-16 to accelerate from Mach 0.8 to Mach 1.2
1140610;1432147786;mircea_popescu;aaaaahhahahaah omfg.
1140611;1432147795;mircea_popescu;so they built a spitfire ?
1140612;1432147890;mircea_popescu;"In March 2013, USAF test pilots, flying with pre-operational software that did not utilize the all-aspect infrared AAQ-37 DAS sensor, noted a lack of visibility from the F-35 cockpit during evaluation flights, which would get them consistently shot down in combat."
1140613;1432147960;mircea_popescu;Defense spending analyst Winslow Wheeler concluded from flight evaluation reports that the F-35A "is flawed beyond redemption"; in response, program manager General Chris Bogdan suggested that pilots worried about being shot down should fly cargo aircraft instead.
1140614;1432147963;mircea_popescu;o this shit's epic.
1140615;1432148249;mats;"lets ignore the guys who've been flying the most dangerous air frames in development for twenty years"
1140616;1432148266;BingoBoingo;Updated http://qntra.net/2015/05/weak-4096-bit-rsa-key-in-strong-set-factored-more-factored-keys-follow/
1140617;1432148326;mike_c;davout:gonna get the schneier one to get started << mod6 told me to read this, it is awesome.  I feel stupid for not having read it sooner.
1140618;1432148326;mircea_popescu;"Even in its third iteration, the F-35�s helmet continues to show high false-alarm rates and computer stability concerns, seriously reducing pilots� situational awareness and endangering their lives in combat;"
1140619;1432148337;mircea_popescu;= the closed-source java blob they're using actually reboots in flight
1140620;1432148374;mircea_popescu;nb BingoBoingo
1140621;1432148477;BingoBoingo;The silliest thing about the F-35 clusterfuck is the US had a decent somewhat stealthier plane in the F-22 coming off the line in flyable shape and... It was too expensive. Nao it would have been cheaper.
1140622;1432148526;mircea_popescu;"In all these instances, data reporting and processing rules were changed during the year for no other reason than to paint a more favorable picture. Maintenance problems were determined to be so severe that the F-35 is only able to fly twice a week."
1140623;1432148527;mircea_popescu;dude.
1140624;1432148530;mircea_popescu;no way. come on.
1140625;1432148536;mats;BingoBoingo: well, the F-22 and F-35 do different things.
1140626;1432148538;mircea_popescu;what is this, deliberate slapstick ?
1140627;1432148544;mats;they're intended to fly tandem in combat.
1140628;1432148587;mircea_popescu;mats f22 flies tues, thurs fri, and weekend f35 mon and wed -> tandem ?
1140629;1432148614;BingoBoingo;mats: For some definitions of different (everything the F-35 B&C do-ish)
1140630;1432148738;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1140631;1432148947;mod6;mike_c: hey! glad you like it :]
1140632;1432149107;davout;mike_c: which edition?
1140633;1432149109;davout;20th anniversary or 2nd edition?
1140634;1432149213;mike_c;I have 2nd. 20th anniversary looks like just a PR thing? not different content?
1140635;1432149228;mod6;ya 2nd edition
1140636;1432149405;davout;alrighty, it's also cheaper on amzn
1140637;1432149667;*;davout moves to set camp by the mailbox
1140638;1432149677;davout;fluffypony: you in paris nao?
1140639;1432150145;ascii_field;https://www.stlouisfed.org/news-releases/2015/05/18/password-reset-for-st-louis-fed-research-website-user-accounts << l0ltr0n1c
1140640;1432150208;ascii_field;BingoBoingo ^^
1140641;1432150208;jurov;i heard f35 cannot transition from hover to forward movement
1140642;1432150208;jurov;it has to land and reconfigure itself first
1140643;1432150210;ascii_field;jurov: at least downward movement still worx
1140644;1432150266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58250 @ 0.00030281 = 17.6387 BTC [+]
1140645;1432150313;jurov;dunno why the haven't attached flea legs instead, would work same as vtol
1140646;1432150338;ascii_field;in other nyooz, https://www.incapsula.com/blog/ddos-botnet-soho-router.html << yes, same ubiquiti that made 'edgerouter'
1140647;1432150398;ascii_field;as in, the one sold to iran 'against sanctions' with boobytrap included
1140648;1432150398;ascii_field;(see log)
1140649;1432150889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00029876 = 6.02 BTC [-]
1140650;1432151105;mircea_popescu;also http://40.media.tumblr.com/0ad1205b037f7085346a6ce8ba5b1e9b/tumblr_nolzsi8Iax1skcp7po1_1280.jpg
1140651;1432151249;mike_c;our buddy is leaving!  http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/20/new-york-lawsky-departure-idUSL1N0YB1N220150520
1140652;1432151312;mircea_popescu;aww.
1140653;1432151312;mircea_popescu;does it say why ?
1140654;1432151319;mike_c;no.. oddly vague about that.  doesn't seem to be a firing.
1140655;1432151345;ben_vulpes;probably wants to spend more time with his family
1140656;1432151362;mircea_popescu;heh.
1140657;1432151367;mats;promoted to head cocksucker. off to DC!
1140658;1432151369;mircea_popescu;!s private eye from:mircea
1140659;1432151370;assbot;1 results for 'private eye from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=private+eye+from%3Amircea
1140660;1432151371;ben_vulpes;ah shit
1140661;1432151375;mike_c;"to start his own legal and consulting firm"
1140662;1432151380;ben_vulpes;s/family/nailgun
1140663;1432151442;mike_c;found the original article on nyt: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/21/business/dealbook/benjamin-lawsky-to-step-down-as-new-yorks-top-financial-regulator.html
1140664;1432151592;bitstein;"Mr. Lawsky, who has spent his entire two-decade legal career in government, plans to open his own firm and serve as a lecturer at Stanford University, people briefed on the matter said." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/21/business/dealbook/benjamin-lawsky-to-step-down-as-new-yorks-top-financial-regulator.html
1140665;1432151652;bitstein;whoops, my irc chat wasn't scrolled all the way down
1140666;1432151652;ben_vulpes;hey bitstein
1140667;1432151652;ben_vulpes;http://www.bubblear.com/reminder-get-cash-before-the-weekend/ << lol for all the printing they still can't keep atms full?
1140668;1432151712;bitstein;howdy ben_vulpes
1140669;1432151712;mircea_popescu;it's vtol cash.
1140670;1432151713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00029805 = 5.2159 BTC [-]
1140671;1432151715;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1140672;1432151719;ascii_field;'Unpaid Intern is, as the byline properly describes, an unpaid intern. Unpaid intern is a fresh-out-of-school, wide-eyed journalism grad who thinks one day they will make it to the New York Times. In the meantime they are stuck here, so they better get used to it.'
1140673;1432151798;ascii_field;waitasec
1140674;1432151798;scoopbot_revived;St Louis Federal Reserve Bank DNS Hijacked Last Month http://qntra.net/2015/05/st-louis-federal-reserve-bank-dns-hijacked-last-month/
1140675;1432151802;bitstein;"Democratic state Rep. Senfronia Thompson criticized the company by saying that 'it would have been wiser if Mr. Tesla had sat down with the car dealers first.' But there is no 'Mr. Tesla' involved in the company, which is named after the late inventor Nikola Tesla and is founded and run by Elon Musk." https://fortune.com/2015/05/18/tesla-texas/
1140676;1432151862;ascii_field;why that thing was in english ?
1140677;1432151862;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1140678;1432151863;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/04FK33X.txt )
1140679;1432151863;ascii_field;the 'bubblear' link, i mean
1140680;1432151872;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: because i'm an esl derp
1140681;1432151892;ascii_field;but, for whom was it posted ?
1140682;1432151937;mircea_popescu;bitstein honestly, the blowing up of the entire "car dealers" bs is pretty much the only thing i actually like about mr tesla.
1140683;1432151960;BingoBoingo;I kinda prefer Tesla's earthquake machine
1140684;1432152027;bitstein;I liked Mr. Tesla's pigeon: https://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/images/pv_pig02.jpg
1140685;1432152087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13754 @ 0.00029429 = 4.0477 BTC [-]
1140686;1432152392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139700 @ 0.0003002 = 41.9379 BTC [+] {3} 
1140687;1432152514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47999 @ 0.00029429 = 14.1256 BTC [-]
1140688;1432152695;mats;fun fact: windows 8.1 will sometimes triple fault when bugchecking when a kernel debugger is attached
1140689;1432152857;davout;can someone explain to me how i'm able to malloc into existence more than 1tb, fill the first byte with some random int, and have valgrind report the massive allocated space. all this with a whopping 4gb ram and 512gb hdd?
1140690;1432152885;davout;"in use at exit: 1,155,346,237,534 bytes in 1,500 blocks" <<< oO
1140691;1432152917;ascii_field;davout: iirc he was tracking whole box, not bitcoind per se
1140692;1432152928;mircea_popescu;notrly valgrind's problem, this. if system reports it as allocated, it's allocated as far as its concerned
1140693;1432152933;mircea_popescu;what kernel is this ?
1140694;1432152942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134042 @ 0.000289 = 38.7381 BTC [-] {4} 
1140695;1432152943;davout;it's on osx
1140696;1432152961;Apocalyptic;lol
1140697;1432152962;davout;fucking around with C, this confuses me
1140698;1432152963;mircea_popescu;prolly some osx cleverness ?
1140699;1432152968;davout;mebbe
1140700;1432153032;davout;i'm afraid if i try on an ec2 box i'll accidentally break the internet
1140701;1432153067;mircea_popescu;ascii_field : http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89713/offline-rsa-strong-prime-test-similar-to-phuctor << shilling intensifies!
1140702;1432153127;mircea_popescu;nao, linking "phuctor" anchor to usg-replacement.
1140703;1432153127;ascii_field;'no real world impact'
1140704;1432153127;ascii_field;tr0l0l0l
1140705;1432153234;Apocalyptic;mircea, that's hilarious
1140706;1432153342;ben_vulpes;<davout> i'm afraid if i try on an ec2 box i'll accidentally break the internet << "we can therefore we must"
1140707;1432153351;davout;lol
1140708;1432153399;mircea_popescu;!up Landgull
1140709;1432153420;Landgull;Oh, thank you. I don't really have anything to say, though, I'm here to listen.
1140710;1432153426;mircea_popescu;cool.
1140711;1432153461;Apocalyptic;anyway "factored" in this sense doesn't mean much
1140712;1432153531;mircea_popescu;which sense ?
1140713;1432153574;Apocalyptic;in the sense of finding a prime factor of a modulus that has more than 2
1140714;1432153600;Apocalyptic;I mean you can get a standard 4096-bit sane RSA key, multiply N by 3 and there you go
1140715;1432153618;*;mircea_popescu is not following.
1140716;1432153621;Apocalyptic;someone "factors" it, finds the 3, but the key is still as strong as the sane one you started with
1140717;1432153652;mircea_popescu;well, it's complicated.
1140718;1432153656;mircea_popescu;suppose the exponent was 3.
1140719;1432153664;Apocalyptic;public exponent or private ?
1140720;1432153669;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1140721;1432153673;ascii_field;ty mircea_popescu
1140722;1432153689;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: read mircea_popescu's latest article to learn how the bulk of the booby keys were generated
1140723;1432153693;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic iirc shcneier actually was recommending e=3 (d is the private traditionally)
1140724;1432153700;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, I will
1140725;1432153709;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: you can actually create them on your own, given the info
1140726;1432153721;Apocalyptic;i'm just commenting on the first invalid subkey that was discussed
1140727;1432153723;ascii_field;the result is essentially same as using a random integer as a modulus
1140728;1432153737;ascii_field;i.e., likely to be pollard-rho-able and/or lenstra-able.
1140729;1432153750;ascii_field;conceivably some of the resulting moduli are even... prime.
1140730;1432153755;ascii_field;i certainly have not tested for this.
1140731;1432153800;Apocalyptic;<ascii_field> conceivably some of the resulting moduli are even... prime. // would be trivial to check
1140732;1432153835;ascii_field;aha
1140733;1432153841;ascii_field;but the reason why malefactor did this 'random' bit,
1140734;1432153854;ascii_field;is almost certainly because statistically - these are -easy- to break apart.
1140735;1432153867;ascii_field;and give some plausible deniability, as we saw, at least works on idiots
1140736;1432153873;ascii_field;'cosmic rays', 'bad blocks on disks'
1140737;1432153896;Apocalyptic;anyway mircea it was just to say that in this case I would call it factor only if modulus is totally broken into primes, something i've referred as full factoring, otherwise not much you can do
1140738;1432153929;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: properly lenstra-ing these is certainly on the agenda
1140739;1432153932;ascii_field;but not #1
1140740;1432153982;Apocalyptic;(note that this isn't even stricly a RSA key anymore)
1140741;1432154000;Apocalyptic;*strictly
1140742;1432154016;ascii_field;violates every assumption behind hardness of rsa, yes
1140743;1432154024;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, ok, would love to compare the results when you're done, i'm throwing some stuff at it atm
1140744;1432154025;ascii_field;which was the intent of whoever crafted it, yes.
1140745;1432154032;ascii_field;neato
1140746;1432154152;ascii_field;http://security.stackexchange.com/a/89718/76928
1140747;1432154212;ascii_field;for what it's worth
1140748;1432154261;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, of the 19 broken moduli so far how many are actually valid subkeys ?
1140749;1432154311;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: at least two, iirc, had valid sigs. The remainder divide into ones with invalid selfsigs and ones with absent ones entirely (stripped)
1140750;1432154318;ascii_field;i will do a proper tally shortly
1140751;1432154336;ascii_field;incidentally you can run the heuristic finder yourself
1140752;1432154347;ascii_field;comment out the bit with 'giant exponents'
1140753;1432154358;ascii_field;(these are rampant, >1300 instances alone)
1140754;1432154465;scoopbot_revived;frantic activity as a defense against impotence - with poop! http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/20_frantic-activity-as-a-defense-against-impotence-with-poop.html
1140755;1432154472;ascii_field;at the moment, i would like to collect a sample of material signed with one of the -legit- keys for which a 'magic' key exists
1140756;1432154498;ascii_field;and see what happens when one actually tries to verify the signature with 'magic' key (and its bizarre composite mega-exponent) as reference
1140757;1432154521;ascii_field;example: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=lou%40ece.cmu.edu&op=index
1140758;1432154581;ascii_field;top result is 'magic'
1140759;1432154581;hanbot;how do you know you're even seeing all/most of the magic keys? maybe they were not intended to show up in public servers, and end there through some error/leak
1140760;1432154581;ascii_field;next one (also 2-02) is legit key
1140761;1432154581;ascii_field;hanbot: if it isn't on sks, it isn't really public is it
1140762;1432154581;hanbot;exactly
1140763;1432154581;hanbot;maybe this is the iceberg tip of some sort of process not really intended to be visible
1140764;1432154581;ascii_field;afaik the only possible point of crafting these -was- to disseminate them publicly as spurious copies of the real thing
1140765;1432154703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147200 @ 0.00028083 = 41.3382 BTC [-] {2} 
1140766;1432155045;mircea_popescu;hanbot seems improbable.
1140767;1432155065;ascii_field;hanbot: and clearly the process, whatever it was, did not want to be found. but it does appear to consist of fucking with purported -public- keys and therefore intrinsically findable.
1140768;1432155069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76542 @ 0.00028208 = 21.591 BTC [+]
1140769;1432155139;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic well, "totally broken". depends what you're trying to do and so on. having a known small factor is already breakage
1140770;1432155151;mircea_popescu;ie, you wouldn't use that key.
1140771;1432155171;ascii_field;given as the bulk of the samples consist of the owner's own moduli with every other 32-bit word doubled (overwriting its neighbour) - the amount of 'crafting' appears to be minimal. in this particular case (there were other breakable keys.)
1140772;1432155174;hanbot;hm.
1140773;1432155196;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, it is breakage in the sense it reduces the apparent security, the key may still be pretty much alright
1140774;1432155196;ascii_field;thing about small factors is that we have them here because the moduli are essentially random shots in the integer dark.
1140775;1432155210;ascii_field;how likely is 'all right' key when shooting at random ?
1140776;1432155210;Apocalyptic;(if intentionnaly made this way)
1140777;1432155222;mircea_popescu;i dun see this argument.
1140778;1432155229;mircea_popescu;anyway, you could just run a probabilistic test on it.
1140779;1432155232;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, ok, let's start again
1140780;1432155234;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: read mircea_popescu's article where litmus.py appears.
1140781;1432155267;mircea_popescu;!up Hasimir
1140782;1432155267;Apocalyptic;let's say I take the two secret primes of my present key
1140783;1432155269;mircea_popescu;go ahead
1140784;1432155276;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic aha.
1140785;1432155296;Hasimir;well, let's see there's Rob Hansen's key
1140786;1432155298;Apocalyptic;I multiply then the modulus N by 3 (or any other small prime, the value doesn't matter)
1140787;1432155303;Hasimir;RSA flaw?
1140788;1432155311;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: except that this is not how it was done
1140789;1432155313;Hasimir;his key is DSA2 & El-Gamal
1140790;1432155318;Apocalyptic;I submit it to phuctor, its screams "Moduli factored !"
1140791;1432155325;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: bugger took every other 32-bit word and copied over neighbour.
1140792;1432155326;Apocalyptic;but the key is still as strong as my original
1140793;1432155335;mircea_popescu;Hasimir "Rob Hansen" doesn't appear on the page ?
1140794;1432155335;Apocalyptic;<ascii_field> Apocalyptic: except that this is not how it was done // exactly
1140795;1432155348;Hasimir;no. 92  & 93
1140796;1432155363;Hasimir;in Stan's list of "we have your private keys"
1140797;1432155365;mircea_popescu;aha
1140798;1432155370;Apocalyptic;i'm just trying to show that finding a small factor is not inherently breaking the key
1140799;1432155371;mircea_popescu;lemme fish them out for you a sec.
1140800;1432155376;ascii_field;Hasimir: whos key is this
1140801;1432155387;ascii_field;Hasimir: we only see it here if it had one or more rsa subkeys.
1140802;1432155389;Hasimir;rjh@sixdemonbag
1140803;1432155392;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic finding a small factor is not inherently breaking a specially crafted key that was made to have that one small factor, yes.
1140804;1432155396;mircea_popescu;this isn't the assumption here
1140805;1432155406;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ima get the key one sec.
1140806;1432155409;Hasimir;it has an rsa signing subkey
1140807;1432155415;ascii_field;Hasimir: there we go.
1140808;1432155419;ascii_field;so that'd be it
1140809;1432155420;Hasimir;but the rest of it isn't
1140810;1432155422;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, as the poeple whose key you're listing probably didn't craft it this way, it's very probable that it's further broken, yes
1140811;1432155429;mircea_popescu;Hasimir doh.
1140812;1432155434;mircea_popescu;well, it would be the rsa wouldn't it.
1140813;1432155439;ascii_field;Hasimir: we don't deal with the rest of it.
1140814;1432155451;Hasimir;which means no getting the private cert or decryption
1140815;1432155451;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> Apocalyptic finding a small factor is not inherently breaking a specially crafted key that was made to have that one small factor, yes. // this is all i was arguing :)
1140816;1432155465;ascii_field;the experiment specifically concerns moduli, not keys. a key contains zero or more rsa moduli
1140817;1432155466;Hasimir;ascii_field, just the signing subkey?
1140818;1432155483;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic well sure, theoretical theory. but if you run a factorizing algo on any of the keys you'll see they break apart.
1140819;1432155500;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1140820;1432155502;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: there is a reason why generating proper rsa keys is cpu-expensive
1140821;1432155507;Apocalyptic;I know
1140822;1432155528;Hasimir;ascii_field, then claiming to have derived the private key is a wee bit disingenuous
1140823;1432155539;Apocalyptic;and yes if found in the wild, the assumption you are making is a safe assumption
1140824;1432155549;ascii_field;barring some entirely unknown and very interesting number-theoretical result, the word-doubling is overwhelmingly likely to yield an 'easy' modulus.
1140825;1432155557;mircea_popescu;Hasimir wouldja quote the claim you speak of ?
1140826;1432155569;Hasimir;sure one tic
1140827;1432155586;Hasimir;"Are you on this list ? We probably have your private key"
1140828;1432155588;ascii_field;Hasimir: private key naturally would correspond to the phony key
1140829;1432155594;mircea_popescu;Hasimir so what's disingenuous ?
1140830;1432155633;Hasimir;alright, if it's not, what method did you use to crack el-gamal?
1140831;1432155635;ascii_field;and go apply pollard rho, and lenstra, you will have the private. you don't even need us for this
1140832;1432155642;ascii_field;Hasimir: we don't deal in el gamal!
1140833;1432155644;ascii_field;or dsa
1140834;1432155645;mircea_popescu;it's a rsa factorization service.
1140835;1432155653;ascii_field;or '22: proprietary reserved algo'
1140836;1432155656;Hasimir;which is the point
1140837;1432155657;ascii_field;(yes, lots of these. wtf)
1140838;1432155666;mircea_popescu;Hasimir i do not see this point.
1140839;1432155693;mircea_popescu;the way text works is not that reader is free to make whatever assumptions he wishes and it is the responsibility of the text to explicitly dispel them
1140840;1432155694;Hasimir;ok, let me see if I'm reading the article correctly
1140841;1432155709;mircea_popescu;the way text works is that the reader has the job of forming a mental image that does not contradict the text.
1140842;1432155726;Hasimir;you only deal with rsa, you only claim to have rsa priv keys, but you list dsa/elgamal keys as broken ...
1140843;1432155738;mircea_popescu;i dun see dsa/elgamal keys were listedf.
1140844;1432155753;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: he appears to be taking issue with interchangeable use of 'keys' and 'moduli'
1140845;1432155754;Hasimir;this one: 0x23806BE5D6B98E10
1140846;1432155762;mircea_popescu;in general, one's at liberty to create a Patented Leather Assymetric Key and give it his name
1140847;1432155771;mircea_popescu;if he also has a rsa key by the same name, he will be in the list of rsa keys.
1140848;1432155795;mircea_popescu;ascii_field except a modulus does not exist outside of a key.
1140849;1432155816;ascii_field;Hasimir: understand, someone can create a key containing an rsa modulus of the kind described here using a modified copy of your, e.g., el gamal, key
1140850;1432155820;ascii_field;and it will show on our list
1140851;1432155830;Hasimir;ah
1140852;1432155833;mircea_popescu;pgp has no way to enforce names
1140853;1432155840;Hasimir;true
1140854;1432155843;mircea_popescu;you can create a key for obama and sks will list "obama's" key.
1140855;1432155845;mircea_popescu;what's one to do ?
1140856;1432155860;Hasimir;as all the president@whitehouse.gov ones prove
1140857;1432155865;mircea_popescu;now, of that list, at least some are thoroughly broken
1140858;1432155881;mircea_popescu;two examples are given there, each with two moduli with 8-12 digit factos known
1140859;1432155885;mircea_popescu;some others are yet unknown
1140860;1432155889;ascii_field;Hasimir: the shenanigans exposed appear to have an intent which includes - but not necessarily limited to - passing off spurious rsa keys for various names
1140861;1432155916;Hasimir;which is why you need to specify the key ids, otherwise you're spreading unnecessary panic
1140862;1432155916;mircea_popescu;hence "probably". and hence http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140223
1140863;1432155916;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 11:53:36; *: mircea_popescu underscores the ~probably~. it is not a certainly. not yet at least. moar uranium has to be mined first.
1140864;1432155936;ascii_field;Hasimir: so far each of the cases i have examined in detail had -at least one- legit rsa modulus in subkeys
1140865;1432155961;mircea_popescu;Hasimir you have read the paragraph at the beginning yes ?
1140866;1432155970;ascii_field;and the panic is entirely the work of the enemy, who is passing around the idiot strawman that 'rsa was broken. oh wait, no it wasn't! disregard the whole thing!'
1140867;1432155978;Hasimir;yes
1140868;1432156036;ascii_field;btw, re: random numbers as moduli: https://primes.utm.edu/howmany.html#pi_def
1140869;1432156097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00027831 = 4.8008 BTC [-] {2} 
1140870;1432156097;ascii_field;^ mandatory
1140871;1432156097;Hasimir;alright then, take a crack at mine, same one as used with -otc and in my /ns info
1140872;1432156097;mircea_popescu;Hasimir if it's been already processed you can see yourself the result
1140873;1432156097;mircea_popescu;if not, it will be
1140874;1432156102;Hasimir;it has been, but reprocessing hasn't occurred in 2 years
1140875;1432156109;mircea_popescu;wut ?!
1140876;1432156123;Hasimir;I checked it in 2013
1140877;1432156138;ascii_field;Hasimir: add it to the queue
1140878;1432156144;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what you're saying.
1140879;1432156156;Apocalyptic;phuctor was live in 2013 ?
1140880;1432156170;mircea_popescu;yes, as it happens, oct.
1140881;1432156179;Apocalyptic;aha
1140882;1432156182;mircea_popescu;Hasimir just put the pubkey in the box and it'll tell you if it has or hasn't
1140883;1432156227;ascii_field;i will be very surprised when a 'proper' pubkey that some fella actually has on his own box, fails the test
1140884;1432156228;mircea_popescu;ascii_field some that had only broken moduli, in pairs.
1140885;1432156258;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: quite a few. which is consistent with the 'random bits make terrible rsa moduli' thing.
1140886;1432156268;mircea_popescu;aha.
1140887;1432156279;ascii_field;were all of them even odd, lol
1140888;1432156284;mircea_popescu;yes
1140889;1432156289;ascii_field;at least this.
1140890;1432156293;mircea_popescu;we blessfully don't have 2~!11 as a factor yet
1140891;1432156299;mircea_popescu;that'd be the sadness of all time.
1140892;1432156311;danielpbarron;my key won't retest http://nosuchlabs.com/redo/95766AA607AF0D2958AD7EF0F23B26DDC565F10A2C8012715B137E6459C63C4B?
1140893;1432156371;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as a retest
1140894;1432156371;mircea_popescu;oh, is it rebuilding the P huh ascii_field
1140895;1432156371;ascii_field;aha
1140896;1432156382;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron server's atm busy with a large computation which is why it's not answering ya
1140897;1432156503;Hasimir;ascii_field, where's the code you use to run these tests anyway?
1140898;1432156530;ascii_field;Hasimir: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/werker.c
1140899;1432156590;Hasimir;cool
1140900;1432156590;ascii_field;very simple, but works.
1140901;1432156600;Hasimir;sqlite3 db full of keys ... ouch
1140902;1432156624;Hasimir;though probably better than the sks solution
1140903;1432156676;ascii_field;Hasimir: whole thing was ~2 days' work
1140904;1432156681;ascii_field;so not optimal by any measure
1140905;1432156720;Hasimir;yeah, you might want to look at the keybox (.kbx) format used in gpg 2.1, designed to improve lookup speed with larger keyrings
1140906;1432156750;Hasimir;though you'll lose all the v2 keys
1140907;1432156778;ascii_field;no thanks.
1140908;1432156788;Hasimir;but then we should probably lose them anyway
1140909;1432156801;ascii_field;?
1140910;1432156820;Hasimir;ok, these weak ones you found, have you identified a common generation program?
1140911;1432156830;mircea_popescu;nope.
1140912;1432156838;mircea_popescu;they're not even all in the same class.
1140913;1432156843;Hasimir;and v2 keys == pgp 2.3 to pgp 2.6(i)
1140914;1432156845;mircea_popescu;at least two, maybe three different types so far
1140915;1432156868;Hasimir;do they all have subkeys or not?
1140916;1432156875;ascii_field;Hasimir: read carefully. we do not know where they came from. but the largest class we identified so far appears to consist of carefully crafted spurious keys, made with a particular transformation of original legit ones.
1140917;1432156875;mircea_popescu;all what ?
1140918;1432156902;Hasimir;well, that list 160 reads like regular posters to the enigmail mailing list
1140919;1432156908;Hasimir;or possibly gnupg-users
1140920;1432156912;mircea_popescu;tbh, someone has to explain this "subkeys" retardation to me sometime. fucking pseudohierarchy devoid of meaning.
1140921;1432156915;Hasimir;I recognise most of the names
1140922;1432156919;mircea_popescu;they're all keys. how you package them is irrelevant
1140923;1432156935;mircea_popescu;Hasimir i am aware.
1140924;1432157272;trinque;heh sqlite always comes up as "not fast" in conversation
1140925;1432157277;trinque;I wonder if anyone ever tests this hypothesis
1140926;1432157290;ascii_field;trinque: was going for 'simple' rather than 'fast'
1140927;1432157337;trinque;sure, I am saying I've personally never found sqlite3 to be slow
1140928;1432157364;trinque;probably comes with comparisons to key-value stores that do barely anything aside retrieve by key
1140929;1432157386;mircea_popescu;trinque seems it has issues wiht locking
1140930;1432157515;trinque;ah yeah I guess it's bad at concurrent writes; that's fair
1140931;1432157554;jurov;someone has to explain this "subkeys" retardation << guess mr.zimmermann overengineered it and then left to rot
1140932;1432157562;jurov;GNU picked it up then
1140933;1432157588;fluffypony;davout: yes - had supper at Le Keller
1140934;1432157590;trinque;https://www.sqlite.org/wal.html << I think this helps
1140935;1432157650;fluffypony;which was very nice
1140936;1432157650;davout;fluffypony: neat! never been there
1140937;1432157655;trinque;!up Hasimir
1140938;1432157672;davout;fluffypony: what are you keeping yourself busy with tomorrow? visiting?
1140939;1432157695;fluffypony;I need to tweak the presentation a bit, so the wife will go to the spa for a couple of hours
1140940;1432157708;davout;ah you took her with, nice!
1140941;1432157712;fluffypony;and then we'll probably do the Louvre because we haven't been in AGES
1140942;1432157744;davout;it's pretty massive
1140943;1432157772;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1140944;1432157774;fluffypony;yeah I know, but neither of us are terribly au fait with it, so we'll just dip our toe in;)
1140945;1432157779;ascii_field;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=zarghani.s%40gmail.com&op=index
1140946;1432157839;ascii_field;<< example of someone for whom only breakable key is on sks
1140947;1432158466;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, this may be more affordable to fully factor than HPA invalid's
1140948;1432158545;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: as a general rule, an rsa modulus generated without regard to rules (primality testing, pollard-rho, the lot) is cheap to factor.
1140949;1432158594;ascii_field;the authors of the fakes also relied on the 'plausible deniability' of using random crud rather than proper mods
1140950;1432158596;Apocalyptic;well given what i've tried on that HPA's i would not fully concur here
1140951;1432158637;ascii_field;for all we know, this is a straight 'dos' and no one actually knew the privates to these
1140952;1432158660;ascii_field;and the purpose was to force the victims to revert to plaintext
1140953;1432158663;Apocalyptic;that's a possibility yes
1140954;1432158684;ascii_field;there is also mircea_popescu's 'magic flag' hypothesis.
1140955;1432158691;Apocalyptic;I guess maybe e isn't even prime with phi(N) on those
1140956;1432158706;Apocalyptic;and as such there is no private to even begin with
1140957;1432158708;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: look at the e
1140958;1432158713;Apocalyptic;haven't looked
1140959;1432158843;jurov;'s got a "new" n900... after just a few hours it's clear why nokia had to be gutted
1140960;1432159032;ascii_field;jurov: ?
1140961;1432159066;jurov;ascii_field: you ever had it?
1140962;1432159070;ascii_field;nope
1140963;1432159082;jurov;it's..debian
1140964;1432159126;jurov;true one, not something android-bastardized
1140965;1432159134;ascii_field;what of the baseband ?
1140966;1432159181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109700 @ 0.00027506 = 30.1741 BTC [-] {3} 
1140967;1432159192;jurov;i guess it's a device osmocom-gsm hackers use
1140968;1432159224;jurov;but if i'm ever getting into such uber-illegal territory, i'm not advertising it here
1140969;1432159431;jurov;i stand corrected, it's not this one
1140970;1432159486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76410 @ 0.00027383 = 20.9234 BTC [-]
1140971;1432160829;mircea_popescu;jurov something like that.
1140972;1432160897;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic what have you tried ?
1140973;1432160969;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, somehow pgpdump refuses to print info about the invalid subkey, or at least I don't see the keyid referenced the way I see it for the master key and the signature packets
1140974;1432160988;Apocalyptic;I suppose it's the same as the master one though, so this situation can't happen since e is itself a prime
1140975;1432161048;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, rho pollard plus countless iterations of ECM for reasonable bounds assuming there is a 20-30 prime digit factor in the modulus reminder
1140976;1432161073;Apocalyptic;I guess i'm gonna have to keep increasing it for a while
1140977;1432161080;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you know it'd be halpful if youactually counted them / documented the attempts
1140978;1432161092;Apocalyptic;I do count them
1140979;1432161118;Apocalyptic;I will post a report if it leads to something, or if somebody wants it
1140980;1432161184;mircea_popescu;well how many is countless ?
1140981;1432161221;Apocalyptic;around 3000 probabilistic runs
1140982;1432161230;mircea_popescu;and all for 10-20 digit ?
1140983;1432161297;Apocalyptic;this should find any prime factor under *30* digits even
1140984;1432161327;Apocalyptic;after 430 runs the probability of error is something like 1/e if I remember and if this doc is correct
1140985;1432161455;mircea_popescu;depends a lot on the rng too
1140986;1432161482;Apocalyptic;well that's why you run it multiple times
1140987;1432161499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57490 @ 0.00026437 = 15.1986 BTC [-]
1140988;1432161514;mircea_popescu;no, you run it multiple times because it's probabilistic.
1140989;1432161519;mircea_popescu;that doesn't fix a bad rng
1140990;1432161531;Apocalyptic;oh, you mean that
1140991;1432161533;mircea_popescu;(not saying it's likely the case, anyway)
1140992;1432161549;Apocalyptic;yeah probably not
1140993;1432161575;mircea_popescu;mind trying lenstra ?
1140994;1432161603;mircea_popescu;eh nm you did say ecm.
1140995;1432161651;Apocalyptic;yeah, afaik ecm is lenstra
1140996;1432161664;mircea_popescu;for some reason i was thinking you're doing rabin-miller
1140997;1432161679;Apocalyptic;isn't that just a primality test ?
1140998;1432161698;mircea_popescu;it is yeah. i need moar sleeps.
1140999;1432161730;mircea_popescu;(it does sometimes yield a factor, but not reliably)
1141000;1432161828;mircea_popescu;anyway. laters all!
1141001;1432161894;Apocalyptic;laters
1141002;1432161987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12969 @ 0.0002807 = 3.6404 BTC [+]
1141003;1432162937;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/bramcohen/status/601159325973946368
1141004;1432162995;danielpbarron;Bram Cohen: It's difficult for me to convey just how profoundly idiotic the BitShare mining chip is.
1141005;1432163573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7636 @ 0.0002807 = 2.1434 BTC [+]
1141006;1432164854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114739 @ 0.00027428 = 31.4706 BTC [-]
1141007;1432166379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103500 @ 0.00026787 = 27.7245 BTC [-] {3} 
1141008;1432166480;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: tbh, someone has to explain this "subkeys" retardation to me sometime. fucking pseudohierarchy devoid of meaning. << Within your big GPG keyblock you can have multiple keys, say a 4096 RSA for signing and another 4096 to encrypt to. Beyond that you can keep stuffing moar keys in there just because...
1141009;1432166717;danielpbarron;;;isup 8ch.net
1141010;1432166721;gribble;8ch.net is down
1141011;1432166737;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/601176574713569280 >> Load balancer crashed. I asked datacenter for assistance with it. It apparently overheated, fan might be broken. More updates to come.
1141012;1432166750;danielpbarron;b-a crashed 8chan!
1141013;1432166808;trinque;lol!
1141014;1432166819;trinque;BingoBoingo: https://wiki.debian.org/Subkeys << clear as mud
1141015;1432166881;trinque;and aside that, may the words should, associated, and all other "ignore the gap" terms be put to the spike
1141016;1432166993;trinque;do I understand correctly that you use a "signing key" to sign your various subkeys, thus associating them with one identity?
1141017;1432167023;BingoBoingo;trinque: Ideally, but...
1141018;1432167916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121757 @ 0.00026256 = 31.9685 BTC [-] {2} 
1141019;1432171637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49295 @ 0.00026832 = 13.2268 BTC [+]
1141020;1432172071;bad_duck;Hi, maybe someone could help me here..? ( http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36p1i8/looking_for_some_data_about_time_between_blocks/ )  tl;dr -> I'm looking for some data about time between blocks (cannot rely on timestamps in blocks), if someone has some logs / know where to find this?  thx!
1141021;1432172425;funkenstein_;bad_duck, if you can't rely on the timestamps on the blocks what timestamps can you rely on?
1141022;1432172533;danielpbarron;data signed by WoT members
1141023;1432172563;funkenstein_;hehe good point
1141024;1432172584;danielpbarron;does debug.log record the date from the block? or the time on my computer when the block was relayed?
1141025;1432172631;bad_duck;danielpbarron | data signed by WoT members <-- I hope to find a "relyable" person, but yes I'll have to trust him
1141026;1432172660;bad_duck;danielpbarron: yes, I have this info in my debug.log but my node is only running for 1-2 months...
1141027;1432172684;danielpbarron;remember to copy it into a different location
1141028;1432172898;bad_duck;danielpbarron: anyway I want some more data so I'm looking for someone who is listening the network for a long time / has logs
1141029;1432172923;danielpbarron;i don't think debug.log would give you the info you want
1141030;1432173045;bad_duck;danielpbarron: dependd if the node is running for a long time, it has it after the initial sync (and some missing / wrong poing after downtime when resync / getting last blocks)
1141031;1432173103;danielpbarron;my log doesn't have this UpdateTip thing
1141032;1432173123;bad_duck;hmm, mine has, things like that :
1141033;1432173126;bad_duck;2015-05-21 01:28:34 UpdateTip: new best=00000....  height=357347  log2_work=82.81497  tx=69326602  date=2015-05-21 01:28:05
1141034;1432173128;bad_duck;2015-05-21 01:30:13 UpdateTip: new best=00000....  height=357348  log2_work=82.815005  tx=69326669  date=2015-05-21 01:27:51
1141035;1432173133;danielpbarron;also, you can do just  grep UpdateTip .bitcoin/debug.log
1141036;1432173146;bad_duck;for the last 2 blocks, on the left my timestamp, on the right the timestamp in block
1141037;1432173265;bad_duck;but the node need to be connected / synched to get the "right" timestamp, during initial sync / update after downtime the timestamp on the left would likely be wrong
1141038;1432173290;danielpbarron;mine just has the date in the block (version 0.7.2 and 0.5.3.x)
1141039;1432173352;bad_duck;bitcoind? that's some old versions!
1141040;1432173384;danielpbarron;http://thebitcoin.foundation/
1141041;1432173555;bad_duck;ok, I see
1141042;1432173993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00026739 = 6.3505 BTC [-]
1141043;1432174258;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140965 looked into it,unlike others the modem actually does not have access to memory or storage, communicates to cpu via uart
1141044;1432174258;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 21:58:54; ascii_field: what of the baseband ?
1141045;1432174499;jurov;http://blog.sec-consult.com/2015/05/kcodes-netusb-how-small-taiwanese.html provided it doesn't do stuff like this...
1141046;1432174865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201608 @ 0.00025879 = 52.1741 BTC [-] {4} 
1141047;1432174928;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140385 < free herring is nice, but plenty of other places have free herring/oil/usg favors
1141048;1432174928;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 14:30:35; mircea_popescu: for as long as the free herring still lasts, they can run around derping about how they meditatively comprehensified the deep secrets of the universe.
1141049;1432174958;decimation;why don't we have someone here from egypt derping about arab freedom
1141050;1432175067;decimation;!up AdrianoOliveira
1141051;1432175074;decimation;!up shesek
1141052;1432175083;jurov;decimation: they are already in germany building nordic system
1141053;1432175091;AdrianoOliveira;thanks decimation
1141054;1432175115;decimation;AdrianoOliveira: what brings you here
1141055;1432175187;AdrianoOliveira;i was a regular "listener" here... but I am absent for the last couple months
1141056;1432175233;AdrianoOliveira;basically I first came here while studying the pricing of bitcoin options
1141057;1432175261;decimation;where does anyone trade bitcoin options?
1141058;1432175313;jurov;!up nubbins`
1141059;1432175348;decimation;jurov: lol good point - except I thought it was mostly turks
1141060;1432175353;AdrianoOliveira;that's the problem... there is not negotiation at all.
1141061;1432175387;jurov;heh do tell
1141062;1432175388;AdrianoOliveira;I started pricing a model for them for the brazilian market (basically an option which would cover the risks of dolar and bitcoin)
1141063;1432175408;AdrianoOliveira;but I didn't go beyond the model/backtest
1141064;1432175413;decimation;jurov: note that ms. socialism failed to acknowledge that part
1141065;1432175465;jurov;decimation no she'd see it a confirmation "yes they know it's good, too"
1141066;1432175495;decimation;heh yeah.  is slovenia full of ethnics too?
1141067;1432175518;jurov;AdrianoOliveira: I recently asked local atm owner about selling some, he quoted me 200eur/btc
1141068;1432175531;jurov;and i was like..wtf he gets bitcoins at such price?
1141069;1432175543;jurov;there are too much we don't know
1141070;1432175585;decimation;jurov: I suspect much btc trading happens over the counter
1141071;1432175746;jurov;yeah, i suppose it's better to sell 10% lower under the counter and avoid taxes
1141072;1432175775;jurov;and dunno about slovenia, ask kako
1141073;1432175777;AdrianoOliveira;decimation: at least for the Brazilian market I can confirm that... today's volume at local exchanges was about 280 BTC and I got a user offering me 140 out of exchanges
1141074;1432175790;AdrianoOliveira;and  I am not one of the big players here
1141075;1432175850;AdrianoOliveira;jurov: besides the taxes, if they try to sell/buy larger quantities they will move the market faster againt them
1141076;1432175851;decimation;jurov: right you are slovak right?
1141077;1432175868;decimation;AdrianoOliveira: 280 seems pretty low
1141078;1432175881;jurov;yes, slovak :) and no ethnies here, only a few in capital
1141079;1432175902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.00026356 = 27.1994 BTC [+]
1141080;1432175912;decimation;jurov: do many people speak german there?
1141081;1432175951;AdrianoOliveira;decimation: it is indeed. most brazilians avoid the exchanges for several reasons... also people lost interest since the $1000/btc
1141082;1432175952;jurov;dunno, germans/aunstrians prefer english
1141083;1432175974;decimation;AdrianoOliveira: they only want to trade it if it is 'rich'?
1141084;1432175996;jurov;decimation: they want to HODL
1141085;1432176011;decimation;;;ud HODL
1141086;1432176012;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hodl | hodl isn't defined. ... Ho Dip · hodizzle · hodjo · hodl · Hodlbups · Hodle · hodlickle · Hodling · HODMAN · Hodnet · Hodo · ho dog · ho dog cool · Ho Doh Doh Doh ...
1141087;1432176015;jurov;obv that won't work if it's going down
1141088;1432176016;AdrianoOliveira;decimation: lol... it seems they avoid buying it if it is cheap... it is better to buy high and sell low, hehe
1141089;1432176060;decimation;I donno, it seems to me that as long as any money is going into bitcoin, the 'price' relative to fiat is going to increas
1141090;1432176089;decimation;so if that's the case, bitcoin is 'on sale'
1141091;1432176145;decimation;AdrianoOliveira: I've heard that during the hyperinflation in brazil, most people held gold in bank deposit boxes
1141092;1432176204;jurov;decimation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0;all
1141093;1432176264;AdrianoOliveira;decimation: I was just a kid at that time so I can't confirm... but I remember for instance that people run into the supermarket on the same day they received they paycheck to buy groceries because prices used to double overnight
1141094;1432176264;decimation;jurov: heh
1141095;1432176268;decimation;AdrianoOliveira: right so people ought to remember that it's a good idea to HODL a strong currency
1141096;1432176386;AdrianoOliveira;decimation: at least for the older ones that's true... people under 30 actually don't remember/didn't experience that
1141097;1432176425;AdrianoOliveira;these just want to buy something that is skyrocketing to sell in a couple days for a profit
1141098;1432176436;AdrianoOliveira;as it is not the case anymore, they are loosing interest on bitcoin
1141099;1432176473;*;trinque recalls the rabid euphoria on /r/bitcoinmarkets
1141100;1432176483;decimation;;;ticker
1141101;1432176484;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.24, Best ask: 234.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 234.24, 24 hour volume: 11363.15894438, 24 hour low: 231.72, 24 hour high: 235.24, 24 hour vwap: None
1141102;1432176509;decimation;I remember the haters all complaining that bitcoin was 'not stable'
1141103;1432176519;decimation;now it's stable, and they want it to go to the moon
1141104;1432176567;jurov;http://fortune.com/2015/05/20/reddit-free-speech-ellen-pao/ "misogynist and racist “subreddits” popping up frequently"
1141105;1432176627;jurov;ofc
1141106;1432176627;decimation;adriano: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103354 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103356
1141107;1432176627;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 09:25:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103247 << imo brazil is headed straight for mexico fail mode.
1141108;1432176627;assbot;Logged on 17-04-2015 09:25:23; mircea_popescu: this is not recoverable.
1141109;1432176627;trinque;jurov: they've got some new SJW policy about being a "safe place"
1141110;1432176683;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttfinex
1141111;1432176685;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.24, Best ask: 234.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 234.24, 24 hour volume: 11326.24280465, 24 hour low: 231.72, 24 hour high: 235.24, 24 hour vwap: None
1141112;1432176744;BingoBoingo;^ asking price goes up when you call the ticker and address your chosen market with its "butt" name
1141113;1432176749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 211120 @ 0.00025785 = 54.4373 BTC [-] {2} 
1141114;1432176761;AdrianoOliveira;decimation: our economy is a mess at the moment... and I don't think things will be back on track soon.
1141115;1432177433;funkenstein_;decimation: I stumbled across you in an odd place
1141116;1432177436;funkenstein_;"Major thirds move quickly around the 53-note circle of fifths, because of the decimation chosen to give preference to the fifth as representing the smallest change."
1141117;1432177578;*;BingoBoingo prefers circle of circle of minor fifths, prefers the devil's note
1141118;1432177717;BingoBoingo;7th's major or minor also cool unless the rest of the chord is being filled in
1141119;1432177861;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/597631037569634304/p81c93Ed.jpg << dude dpb actually has a better beard than me
1141120;1432177921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: proposed article: any value above 3 which satisfies the traditional recipe (where n = pq, public e is less than n-1, and relatively prime to p-1 and q-1) will work.
1141121;1432177921;decimation;funkenstein_: hehe wtf
1141122;1432177921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i meanwhile added some more notes!
1141123;1432177921;mircea_popescu;(just published it)
1141124;1432177921;mircea_popescu;that is one of them
1141125;1432177921;asciilifeform;neato.
1141126;1432177936;decimation;funkenstein_: I was unaware of the musical use of the term
1141127;1432177957;mircea_popescu;i always thought that's the reference o.O
1141128;1432177971;mircea_popescu;how DID you come up with the nick then ? you terrorist you.
1141129;1432177972;decimation;no it's a reference to signal processing
1141130;1432177976;mircea_popescu;o
1141131;1432177981;mircea_popescu;these two are related.
1141132;1432177987;decimation;yeah kinda
1141133;1432178005;decimation;'drop N of K items'
1141134;1432178017;asciilifeform;i always assumed it was the roman decimation, l0l
1141135;1432178021;decimation;or kill a tenth of your legion
1141136;1432178025;decimation;for failing
1141137;1432178035;asciilifeform;for, properly speaking, being unlucky
1141138;1432178037;decimation;it's a convenient double meaning
1141139;1432178041;asciilifeform;(how do you make a legion luckier?)
1141140;1432178043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106850 @ 0.00025603 = 27.3568 BTC [-]
1141141;1432178074;decimation;fight derpy natives instead of battle hardened germans?
1141142;1432178108;asciilifeform;'you go to war with the enemy you have, not the enemy you wish you had' (TM) (R)
1141143;1432178130;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141011 << shit i had noticed the traffic was drooping
1141144;1432178130;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 00:05:37; danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/601176574713569280 >> Load balancer crashed. I asked datacenter for assistance with it. It apparently overheated, fan might be broken. More updates to come.
1141145;1432178140;mircea_popescu;copypaste our condolences!
1141146;1432178187;decimation;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2339&pr=0 < "Neanderthals who survived into their thirties looked like they had been pulled out of a Humvee that was hit by an IED. One fellow was missing an eye, an arm, a thumb and a foot! These guys suffered from no known diseases. However, their main food [according to chemical analysis of their bones] was the auroch?basically a rodeo bull?which they had to kill be wrestling with it, stabb
1141147;1432178247;copypaste;no problem :)
1141148;1432178247;mircea_popescu;decimation fwiw, he's entirely nuts on that score.
1141149;1432178247;mircea_popescu;yes neanderthals hunted. this was accomplished principally by outrunning smallish game. a sort of a dodo bird, some early antelope etc.
1141150;1432178261;decimation;you don't think they killed a giant auroch by hand
1141151;1432178273;trinque;"endurance hunting" was the thing right?
1141152;1432178277;mircea_popescu;they surely did occasionally. neanderthals are kinda like monkeys.
1141153;1432178292;mircea_popescu;but it was not, i would guess, above 10% of energetic input. prolly safe to say 1% or less.
1141154;1432178309;decimation;well, if the practice continued into roman times, I wouldn't want to face some dude who wrested an auroch and won
1141155;1432178395;mircea_popescu;decimation the derpy european bear (small, brown guy, about 4 foot tall standing) is to this day (or rather, the 1800s) an informal "absolute top of young male physical ability"
1141156;1432178407;mircea_popescu;ie, 1 kid in 100 COULD wrestle one.
1141157;1432178423;mircea_popescu;but the bear is playful. nobody is fucking wrestling a bull solo.
1141158;1432178429;mircea_popescu;and especially not 50k eyars ago auroch.
1141159;1432178430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125641 @ 0.00026789 = 33.658 BTC [+] {4} 
1141160;1432178468;decimation;yeah it does seem rather dubious
1141161;1432178480;mircea_popescu;it was a group effort, iof/when it happened, and oportunistic
1141162;1432178482;decimation;also why not just spear/trap/arrow or whatever
1141163;1432178483;mircea_popescu;(wounded animal, etc)
1141164;1432178490;mircea_popescu;because they didn't have them or know how to use them.
1141165;1432178509;mircea_popescu;understand : people of year 52015 will say "humans had internet" sure, they did. so ?
1141166;1432178520;mircea_popescu;99% of population uses internet exploder.
1141167;1432178556;mircea_popescu;just because there's proof sylex spears were used by ns does not mean a superarmy of drilled regiments of standard-uniformed neanderthals.
1141168;1432178579;decimation;that's a good point, but it seems that a deadfall is pretty obvious
1141169;1432178588;decimation;or a pit with pointy sticks
1141170;1432178635;mircea_popescu;you think animals are stupid ?
1141171;1432178639;mircea_popescu;go hunt sometime.
1141172;1432178669;mircea_popescu;you think a pit large enough to host a bull is trivial ? go fucking dig out a regulation latrine with a shard of dinner plate!
1141173;1432178681;mircea_popescu;(or calculate the caloric value of the bull and the caloric expenditure of the dig)
1141174;1432178729;decimation;^ that's a good point
1141175;1432178739;decimation;although an auroch would feed a tribe for awhile
1141176;1432178760;asciilifeform;same while as feeds 1
1141177;1432178767;mircea_popescu;no. rich meat is 3-4 calories / gram. a one ton bull made of no bones is worth 3-4Mcal tops.
1141178;1432178776;asciilifeform;(meat sans preservation, 'parallelizes' but not 'serializes')
1141179;1432178776;scoopbot_revived;The issue of exponents in RSA http://trilema.com/2015/the-issue-of-exponents-in-rsa/
1141180;1432178838;mircea_popescu;yeah, asciilifeform has a point. eat it that day or lose it
1141181;1432178848;mircea_popescu;(not to derpy bacteria. to jackals. they band together.)
1141182;1432178942;decimation;yeah but pit can be reused
1141183;1432178951;mircea_popescu;trinque yes, that's the word. and we know it is the fact of the matter from say the kidneys.
1141184;1432178966;mircea_popescu;decimation again, animals are not stupid. it will identify your trap even when fresh. let alone when it stinks of death.
1141185;1432178968;mircea_popescu;!up hondapiston
1141186;1432178980;hondapiston;Hello :D
1141187;1432178989;mircea_popescu;hi. who're you ?
1141188;1432179000;*;asciilifeform mutters 'meowmix'
1141189;1432179000;hondapiston;Michelle
1141190;1432179030;decimation;are you a socialist?
1141191;1432179042;hondapiston;No
1141192;1432179052;decimation;\me imagines another 1000 log-lines
1141193;1432179055;mircea_popescu;aite.
1141194;1432179062;hondapiston;Are you?
1141195;1432179069;decimation;nope
1141196;1432179079;mircea_popescu;decimation she wasn't a socialist, she was a northernsystemalist. stop arguing about your imaginary political systems that don't exist!
1141197;1432179084;hondapiston;Why not
1141198;1432179084;decimation;heh
1141199;1432179122;hondapiston;Good night
1141200;1432179141;mircea_popescu;ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
1141201;1432179161;hondapiston;What
1141202;1432179175;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140388 < note that her 'Nordic system' is simply derpy marxism that was recycled through the us as 'progressivism' and then indoctrinated by harvard circa 1945
1141203;1432179175;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 14:32:14; mircea_popescu: instead of parading them naked through the streets with a "i was a fucktard and am now sorry" thing around their neck, they let them sit around for twenty years coming up with reasons as to how their idiocy "wasn't really all that bad".
1141204;1432179187;hondapiston;!s meowmix
1141205;1432179188;assbot;42 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix
1141206;1432179194;mircea_popescu;decimation nah, it's local brew.
1141207;1432179198;hondapiston;I am meowmix
1141208;1432179200;decimation;lol asciilifeform has it
1141209;1432179213;asciilifeform;have i ever failed at meowmix, l0l
1141210;1432179216;hondapiston;Quiet me
1141211;1432179218;trinque;is "meowmix" #b-a's "anon" ?
1141212;1432179220;mircea_popescu;basically, the east germans came up with a rationalization of their soviet time. "we really were right. excesses were made but..."
1141213;1432179221;hondapiston;Yay
1141214;1432179229;mircea_popescu;trinque just some guy, i dunno.
1141215;1432179229;decimation;hondapiston: no you tell me why you lurk
1141216;1432179230;asciilifeform;meowmix is, i think, a script.
1141217;1432179237;mircea_popescu;nowai.
1141218;1432179245;hondapiston;I use 4g on my nexus 6
1141219;1432179245;asciilifeform;meowmix: if you get in wot, i will tentatively rate you.
1141220;1432179247;decimation;it does reek of 'eliza'
1141221;1432179254;hondapiston;Nexus 6 is the best phone
1141222;1432179256;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> meowmix is, i think, a script. << More likely meat that fails turing test
1141223;1432179269;mircea_popescu;meaf.
1141224;1432179275;decimation;meowmix: is that why you are using an ipv6 address?
1141225;1432179276;mircea_popescu;replacing the T for passing turing with the F for failing it.
1141226;1432179283;hondapiston;I guess
1141227;1432179286;asciilifeform;meowmix: if you can convincingly prove femality, a whole regiment will rate you, l0l
1141228;1432179293;mircea_popescu;^ from experience
1141229;1432179300;hondapiston;Feminist's are stupid
1141230;1432179325;decimation;so are people who inappropriately use apostrophes
1141231;1432179326;mircea_popescu;i dunno man... they made me a sammich...
1141232;1432179345;hondapiston;I hate feminists but most of all i hate homosexuals
1141233;1432179350;decimation;meowmix, something draws you to this channel
1141234;1432179357;mircea_popescu;how about the crab people ?
1141235;1432179370;trinque;talk like crab! act like peo-ple!
1141236;1432179370;hondapiston;Fuck homosexuals
1141237;1432179375;asciilifeform;i would love to know what meowmix is, and who made it.
1141238;1432179378;trinque;*walk, shit
1141239;1432179379;mircea_popescu;doesn't that mean you LOVE them ?
1141240;1432179383;asciilifeform;meowmix: droid, state your purpose.
1141241;1432179385;hondapiston;Peace out i work at a guess statoon
1141242;1432179394;hondapiston;Gas
1141243;1432179401;asciilifeform;eh.
1141244;1432179404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe it's vexual.
1141245;1432179412;asciilifeform;the antipodal vexual.
1141246;1432179426;decimation;at least vexual kinda makes sense sometimes
1141247;1432179428;mircea_popescu;mexual, vexual's evil twin
1141248;1432179439;decimation;and uses more than 10 syllables
1141249;1432179440;mircea_popescu;together, they form
1141250;1432179443;felipelalli;!rate AdrianoOliveira 3 "Known in Brazilian community, and now I'm proud to see he on #b-a."
1141251;1432179443;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a723a3cfbf132739
1141252;1432179443;mircea_popescu;THE COLOR MAUVE
1141253;1432179449;felipelalli;!rate AdrianoOliveira 3 "Known in Brazilian community, and now I'm proud to see he on #b-a."
1141254;1432179449;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/eca1220ff4d0be25
1141255;1432179473;mircea_popescu;felipelalli quotes not rly necessary.
1141256;1432179505;BingoBoingo;meowmix seems to consistently come from near danielpbarron's neck of the woods. Perhaps an ex?
1141257;1432179523;felipelalli;!rate AdrianoOliveira 3 "Known in Brazilian community, and now I'm proud to see he on #b-a."
1141258;1432179523;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/91d4164f91571469
1141259;1432179541;trinque;strange the guy has a compulsion to come here, but mostly emits word salad
1141260;1432179566;mircea_popescu;he prolly goes everywhere
1141261;1432179591;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141047 << and all of them, WITHOUT EXCEPTION insist they have some "one twu way" idiotic system.
1141262;1432179591;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 02:22:08; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140385 < free herring is nice, but plenty of other places have free herring/oil/usg favors
1141263;1432179600;mircea_popescu;from saudi arabia to lybia, israel, pick it.
1141264;1432179627;asciilifeform;trinque: i've entertained the thought that it is one of the ill-fated philippinos going off the reservation
1141265;1432179633;mircea_popescu;it is the nature of human stupidity to ascertain positive outcomes to personal merit and negative outcomes to environmental hostility.
1141266;1432179639;decimation;BingoBoingo: did you use a tool to find his ipv6 address assignment pool?
1141267;1432179652;mircea_popescu;it's always the same iirc.
1141268;1432179669;BingoBoingo;decimation: Nah, I just remember from when his phone carrier still had v4's to give him
1141269;1432179674;BingoBoingo;Or her
1141270;1432179676;trinque;asciilifeform: I'm not aware of it
1141271;1432179679;BingoBoingo;or Xor
1141272;1432179680;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah that's a good point
1141273;1432179702;decimation;even the us thinks that its political system is responsible for having vast natural resources/destroying the world twice
1141274;1432179716;mircea_popescu;yep
1141275;1432179718;asciilifeform;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2015#1003223 << them.
1141276;1432179718;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2015 23:04:03; mircea_popescu: it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms.
1141277;1432179741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doesn't seem all that likely but who knows.
1141278;1432179763;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141052 <<< ahahaha
1141279;1432179763;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 02:24:43; jurov: decimation: they are already in germany building nordic system
1141280;1432179813;trinque;asciilifeform: huh, astroturfing meatfarms?
1141281;1432179819;trinque;what a shitty life
1141282;1432179832;BingoBoingo;trinque: They are a thing, welcome to glabalization
1141283;1432179839;asciilifeform;trinque: aha. and now imagine if one of the slaves were to get bored and start playing with his console in unsanctioned ways
1141284;1432179844;asciilifeform;drooling all over keyboard
1141285;1432179847;BingoBoingo;All the gab you want at bargain prices
1141286;1432179856;felipelalli;AdrianoOliveira: welcome! First Brazilian I see here.
1141287;1432179862;mircea_popescu;trinque better than callcenter / myfreecams / wow gold baby.
1141288;1432179893;mircea_popescu;felipelalli did you manage to rate him in the end ?
1141289;1432179896;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg << obligatory
1141290;1432179956;trinque;seen that, hilarious
1141291;1432179956;asciilifeform;trinque: yeah it's a #b-a classic
1141292;1432179956;*;mircea_popescu personally knows ex-slavegirl trainee. failed out of slavedom bootcamp, is now working callcenter. what most meat does irl, the world over.
1141293;1432179968;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli
1141294;1432179986;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: generally speaking - what does 'failing' mean there ?
1141295;1432179997;asciilifeform;similar to washing out of army ?
1141296;1432180002;mircea_popescu;exactly what you'd expect. not actually being good enough. ayup
1141297;1432180007;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I didn't know. Thanks for the pro tip.
1141298;1432180032;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141073 << eh, random people ended up with some dust dunno what to do with it. try amassing 1k, or even 10 btc and see what you have to pay.
1141299;1432180032;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 02:36:17; AdrianoOliveira: decimation: at least for the Brazilian market I can confirm that... today's volume at local exchanges was about 280 BTC and I got a user offering me 140 out of exchanges
1141300;1432180318;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141102 << excelent example, if more wer eneeded, that soft consensus aka fecal matter.
1141301;1432180318;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 02:48:29; decimation: I remember the haters all complaining that bitcoin was 'not stable'
1141302;1432180334;mircea_popescu;the idea that "the people" should have a voice is not unlike the notion that cows should design their own barns.
1141303;1432180378;*;mircea_popescu imagines a cow designed barn... walls of hay, roof of salt rock...
1141304;1432180385;asciilifeform;if cows could speak, they might very well tell us that they believe themselves to have invented barns
1141305;1432180393;asciilifeform;and designed the particular example they happen to inhabit.
1141306;1432180402;mircea_popescu;and fucked napoleon's mother.
1141307;1432180415;asciilifeform;..., etc. aha.
1141308;1432180443;decimation;^ and designed the nordic system
1141309;1432180444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140900 @ 0.00027579 = 38.8588 BTC [+] {2} 
1141310;1432180448;trinque;watching the phuctor story unfold as a bystander, it really opens ones eyes to the... call it participatory nature of a totalitarian system
1141311;1432180490;mircea_popescu;aha. quite exactly.
1141312;1432180510;mircea_popescu;the gestapo, is not pointed out enough, consisted of a small office with a few bureaucrats overwhelmed by citizen reports irl,
1141313;1432180515;asciilifeform;anyone recall vaclav havel's grocer ?
1141314;1432180519;trinque;makes total sense.
1141315;1432180520;mircea_popescu;and a HUGE hallucination in those citizens minds.
1141316;1432180521;asciilifeform;precisely same thing
1141317;1432180546;asciilifeform;http://vaclavhavel.cz/showtrans.php?cat=eseje&val=2_aj_eseje.html&typ=HTML << see section III
1141318;1432180606;trinque;ty
1141319;1432180635;asciilifeform;' It offers human beings the illusion of an identity, of dignity, and of morality while making it easier for them to part with them.'
1141320;1432180635;mircea_popescu;havel definitely good read on this topic.
1141321;1432180660;mircea_popescu;intelligent, educated fellow with direct access to the thing and a deep interest in documenting it. one rarely gets better.
1141322;1432180675;*;asciilifeform recommends whole thing
1141323;1432180696;mircea_popescu;and imo better than mr s, on account of no particular literary ambitions
1141324;1432180716;trinque;"He does it because these things must be done if one is to get along in life." << this must be entirely automatic
1141325;1432180730;trinque;the obedience mechanism, whatever that is
1141326;1432180733;asciilifeform;trinque: see also orwell's 'duckspeak'
1141327;1432180752;mircea_popescu;!s itself at the center
1141328;1432180753;assbot;0 results for 'itself at the center' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=itself+at+the+center
1141329;1432180759;mircea_popescu;eh no wai.
1141330;1432180779;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998181
1141331;1432180779;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 05:50:13; mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
1141332;1432180781;mircea_popescu;there we go
1141333;1432180827;decimation;asciilifeform: is this havel guy kinda like a czech Solzhenitsyn?
1141334;1432180892;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is why idiot rawls and his "veil of ignorance" is so important for the "nordic system" ie, socialism re-emergent. it's not the direct pseudo-ethics it derps around with that's the core there. it's the proposition, unwarranted and offensive, that people have no more substance than replaceable parts, and that their connections in the graph do not exist.
1141335;1432180901;mircea_popescu;THIS is what that bullshit is selling, under a guise.
1141336;1432180916;asciilifeform;archaeologists tell us about, e.g., ancient minoan 'palace economies' where -everybody- had to go to the central cloth dispensary to get woven cloth where gurlz toiled in the weaving hall. but those who sat in the palaces may have pictured themselves at the 'stellar apex' but had nothing on modern idiotron. minoans did not, afaik, have to go to the palace to get fucked.
1141337;1432180936;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform babylonians did, really.
1141338;1432180940;mircea_popescu;hence all the prostitution cults.
1141339;1432180948;trinque;only part I don't know about is whether this is a sort of inauthentic behavior on the part of the shopkeeper
1141340;1432180961;trinque;seems obedience is a fine thing if the directions given to it are any good
1141341;1432181009;mircea_popescu;trinque the socialist state is necessarily intellectually vacuous
1141342;1432181014;mircea_popescu;for this reason it can never be any good
1141343;1432181018;asciilifeform;trinque: not unlike the difference between car speeding along on a clean road, and engine on fire. in both cases, petrol combusts
1141344;1432181025;mircea_popescu;(and it's necessarily vacuous for the reason discussed in "the problem of ideal systems")
1141345;1432181031;decimation;yeah but as trinque pointed out earlier, the socialist state has the advantage of 'cheap coordination'
1141346;1432181042;mircea_popescu;at the cost of necessary futility, yes.
1141347;1432181043;decimation;it's really easy to sell the idea that the state will save you
1141348;1432181062;mircea_popescu;"you can either buy this thing which works, or this thing which is free." "but does it work ?" "no."
1141349;1432181070;mircea_popescu;the choice is then settled by... whether you can afford the first.
1141350;1432181084;mircea_popescu;because if you can't, you ain't buying it. and if you ain't buying it, might as well take the 2nd.
1141351;1432181103;decimation;^ which is why fiat currency is so wrapped up in the socialist megastate
1141352;1432181148;decimation;because it jams the markets with crazy nonsense
1141353;1432181167;asciilifeform;i used to wonder whether the 'rawlsian ignorance' folks might -actually- believe in reincarnation. like hindu
1141354;1432181182;asciilifeform;then realized that hindu, who believes in it, behaves very differently from 'rawlsians'
1141355;1432181184;BingoBoingo;Facebook commenters, worse than tumblrinas
1141356;1432181187;trinque;my thought was that the average person has always been this semi-mindless imitator, quite human to try to tend towards the middle, whatever that may be
1141357;1432181194;trinque;a sort of swarming behavior
1141358;1432181207;trinque;and that this historically would've been swarming around a command structure
1141359;1432181219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would say they believe in... descuamation.
1141360;1432181231;mircea_popescu;specifically, actual life is too much of a burden, so they wish to be... well killed, basically.
1141361;1432181244;asciilifeform;iirc orwell had one of these
1141362;1432181254;asciilifeform;'short of death, the ultimate relinquishment of responsibility'
1141363;1432181259;mircea_popescu;aha
1141364;1432181280;mircea_popescu;see, the hindu psychological driver is coping with harsh environment. so that models the person one way.
1141365;1432181283;asciilifeform;but specifically the 'you, yes you, -could- be a leprous beggar!' thing
1141366;1432181290;asciilifeform;it only makes sense in a hindu-style cosmography
1141367;1432181302;mircea_popescu;the western rapemeats' driver is on the contrary : look how much i should have achieved and how utterly i have failed at all of it.
1141368;1432181315;mircea_popescu;depression incumbent then is resolved as a "yes but my REAL SELF has not come yet"
1141369;1432181337;mircea_popescu;at which point the fantasy of magical body exchanges is, like the armchair generalship of you know, running mpex from the forum, a very natural escape.
1141370;1432181338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47946 @ 0.00028011 = 13.4302 BTC [+]
1141371;1432181368;asciilifeform;the fantasy, like magnet, has opposite pole of 'body exchange hell' as well as heaven
1141372;1432181388;asciilifeform;where believer is invited to picture himself as blind from birth street urchin etc
1141373;1432181395;mircea_popescu;but you see, the idea being, that if they had no body AT ALL... they wouldn't have failed.
1141374;1432181405;trinque;asciilifeform: this seems to be the victim culture thing
1141375;1432181415;mircea_popescu;next best thing to no body at all being, a vague body which "might have been"
1141376;1432181445;asciilifeform;the adventures of the human wavefunction, aha
1141377;1432181445;trinque;I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today
1141378;1432181452;trinque;s/today$//
1141379;1432181456;decimation;nah, I think the western statism is simple Christianity without god - 'god is dead, it's up to us to build heaven on earth'
1141380;1432181470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, i suspect a large number of the rapemeat, aka sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin sexually abused on a constant basis.
1141381;1432181477;mircea_popescu;because IN THAT CONTEXT, they would be heroes
1141382;1432181479;trinque;decimation: yup, this HR department morality thing is *so* protestant
1141383;1432181480;mircea_popescu;worthy of their own pity.
1141384;1432181524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: after christianity (and possibly mithraism before it) pushed this notion as far as the pedal would go, for 2k yrs, big surprise ?
1141385;1432181533;mircea_popescu;no surprise at all
1141386;1432181542;mircea_popescu;i think it's necessary. hegelhistory.
1141387;1432181568;asciilifeform;sorta like forest fire is necessary.
1141388;1432181572;mircea_popescu;quite.
1141389;1432181580;mircea_popescu;forest fire is a necessary outcome of drought.
1141390;1432181598;mircea_popescu;in a land which had biomass growth pedal to the floor.
1141391;1432181619;decimation;in the western us, the most dangerous forest fires happen after lots of rain
1141392;1432181631;trinque;and entirely absent any social structure beyond dysfunctional families
1141393;1432181635;decimation;the verdant landscape suddenly dries and goes poof
1141394;1432181637;mircea_popescu;decimation how does that work ?
1141395;1432181649;mircea_popescu;oh, like a week after ?
1141396;1432181654;decimation;well, dry spells immediately following wet spells
1141397;1432181657;decimation;more like the next season
1141398;1432181658;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1141399;1432181718;BingoBoingo;<trinque> I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today << I dunno why trans would label their opposition cis- because when talking isomers... transgeometric isomers tend to be poisonous, or at least less supporting of continued life than cis isomers.
1141400;1432181737;mircea_popescu;irony is wasted on the stupid.
1141401;1432181840;BingoBoingo;I kinda figure normal ordinary responsible people should refocus the conversation on dext vs. levo rotary. dext (normal) rotary amphetamine feels good man. levo just induces stress reactions and nihilism.
1141402;1432181901;BingoBoingo;Lafonde guy is pretty good for the current events http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2409&pr=0
1141403;1432181961;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo personally, i find the aggitation of marginal women which i'd never fuck or empower anyway about how things should be very entertaining.
1141404;1432181961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin...   pet sayeth - summarized: 'more complicated than this. by and large, they diagnose themselves with imagined disabilities and enjoy wearing magic disability mantle.'
1141405;1432181961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup.
1141406;1432181961;mircea_popescu;manifestation, imo.
1141407;1432181971;mircea_popescu;why's that girl not in here anyway ? not like ben_vulpes' gonna steal her away with his magic tango skillz...
1141408;1432181988;decimation;I guess she blew her wad on 2000 lines or whatever
1141409;1432181993;asciilifeform;can't be arsed.
1141410;1432181994;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But the people pushing the trans/cis thing largely aren't women. They are some large women and some men who have modified their sex to a null state.
1141411;1432182031;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me.
1141412;1432182036;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> can't be arsed. << I can see why you get along.
1141413;1432182043;asciilifeform;aha.
1141414;1432182055;asciilifeform;iirc kakobrekla has one of these also.
1141415;1432182060;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me. << I see this.
1141416;1432182087;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: From what I understand kakobrekla and lampelina sleep in shifts.
1141417;1432182089;asciilifeform;gender is something allocated to one << sure. declare a lump of earth 'fork'
1141418;1432182098;asciilifeform;has forkness assigned.
1141419;1432182119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what else do you suppose ru prison pederasty is if not allocated womanhood
1141420;1432182122;asciilifeform;aha.
1141421;1432182133;*;trinque wonders if there's such a thing as reproductive suicide, biologically speaking
1141422;1432182140;decimation;'time for yer turn in the barrel'
1141423;1432182145;BingoBoingo;trinque: Menopause?
1141424;1432182151;trinque;someone's too full of plastic or what have you, and suddenly they're transfluid-hyperqueer
1141425;1432182167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: though, to be fair, it is 'mined' rather than synthesized ab initio. mined by selecting folks with some inclination pre-existing
1141426;1432182173;trinque;the psychology of some of these people just says "couldn't pull the trigger, didn't even have a gun"
1141427;1432182223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know the thousand dollar whore joke ?
1141428;1432182232;asciilifeform;hm?
1141429;1432182237;BingoBoingo;lol
1141430;1432182242;mircea_popescu;guy goes into mining town with a thousand dollars in gold.
1141431;1432182251;mircea_popescu;straight to largest brothel. "i want a girl"
1141432;1432182257;mircea_popescu;sure, be twenty, or an ounce.
1141433;1432182258;*;BingoBoingo suspects asciilifeform told this one
1141434;1432182267;mircea_popescu;no. i want a 1000 dollar girl.
1141435;1432182271;mircea_popescu;sorry man...
1141436;1432182288;mircea_popescu;he does this for a while, eventually a less scrupulous owner takes his thousand
1141437;1432182300;mircea_popescu;girl in room "hello baby, where do you want to put it ? my ass ? my ..."
1141438;1432182309;mircea_popescu;"shut up bitch. for a thousand dollars i make my own holes."
1141439;1432182365;BingoBoingo;!s make my own holes
1141440;1432182365;assbot;1 results for 'make my own holes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=make+my+own+holes
1141441;1432182378;asciilifeform;l0lz
1141442;1432182399;BingoBoingo;Oh twas mp who told it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#501993
1141443;1432182399;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2014 23:14:48; mircea_popescu: "babe, for 10k i make my own holes"
1141444;1432182465;trinque;I have no issue whatsoever with homosexuality... this thing though where what... the actual reproducing members of the species must die?
1141445;1432182476;mircea_popescu;trinque it IS an in joke.
1141446;1432182477;trinque;that's a very particular reckless suicidality
1141447;1432182482;BingoBoingo;http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/5/18/whites-behaving-badly
1141448;1432182543;mircea_popescu;you're taking it literally.
1141449;1432182543;trinque;lol, oh, I am missing nuance?
1141450;1432182543;mircea_popescu;two.
1141451;1432182543;asciilifeform;trinque: are you familiar with j. b. calhoun's 'mouse utopia' ?
1141452;1432182543;asciilifeform;http://www.physicsoflife.pl/dict/calhoun%27s_experiment.html
1141453;1432182603;mircea_popescu;trinque you familiar with the concepts of jews and forced memes ?
1141454;1432182603;trinque;no
1141455;1432182603;mircea_popescu;lurkmoar :D
1141456;1432182603;trinque;asciilifeform: and yes
1141457;1432182603;trinque;"beautiful ones" and so on?
1141458;1432182603;trinque;that's exactly what it seems like, some biological mechanism going off due to stress or who knows what
1141459;1432182603;trinque;!s jews forced memes
1141460;1432182603;assbot;0 results for 'jews forced memes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jews+forced+memes
1141461;1432182607;trinque;:'(
1141462;1432182611;BingoBoingo;trinque: Homosexuality is a thing. A number of people do it with a strong irreplacable preferance and given the roster that includes turing it isn't a thing to demonize.
1141463;1432182616;asciilifeform;http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php << moar pics.
1141464;1432182676;asciilifeform;'Mice found themselves born into a world that was more crowded every day, and there were far more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against, males found it difficult and stressful to defend their territory, so they abandoned the activity. Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated
1141465;1432182676;trinque;BingoBoingo: I'm not demonizing it at all, even waffled sufficiently to indicate this :D
1141466;1432182676;asciilifeform;in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males,
1141467;1432182676;asciilifeform; a group Calhoun termed �the beautiful ones,� never sought sex and never fought�they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection. Elsewhere, cannibalism, pansexualism, and violence became endemic. Mouse society had collapsed.'
1141468;1432182676;trinque;but there's a specific blend of queer and self-destructive I've met enough times to know it's a thing
1141469;1432182676;mircea_popescu;trinque the jew part i really can't explain. but a forced meme is what cancerous fags do when they try to create a meme. which is EXACTLY like what idiot kids do when they "create exchange", but exactly. ignorance so ignorant it doesn't grok why it's being ignorant but thinks itself clever.
1141470;1432182676;BingoBoingo;Like anything else in the postmodern era... the fandom that attaches is...
1141471;1432182679;mircea_popescu;now, the "kill men" bla bla is exactly this : a forced jew meme for that particular subculture.
1141472;1432182694;trinque;ah yeah, that makes sense
1141473;1432182701;cazalla;omg channel is full of.. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lon8fsN34w1qdhrwbo1_500.jpg
1141474;1432182761;mircea_popescu;trinque so your original interpretation is not unlike saying 4chan is antisemitic.
1141475;1432182761;trinque;it's a fair point
1141476;1432182761;mircea_popescu;it'ds not even wrong.
1141477;1432182761;trinque;yours I mean
1141478;1432182796;trinque;cazalla: ahahaha
1141479;1432183004;BingoBoingo;Oh, looks like /btc/ fell of of 8ch
1141480;1432183057;mircea_popescu;onoes
1141481;1432183075;decimation;from my point of view the whole 'gay rights' thing looks to be about bossing around whitey who cowers in learned helplessness
1141482;1432183164;trinque;it does, the in-group signaling thing makes a lot of sense too though, and furthermore that things you can only say in your in-group are the best signals
1141483;1432183170;decimation;that at trying to immanentize the eschaton
1141484;1432183208;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Still there, just not poplar enough
1141485;1432183249;BingoBoingo;Need moar http://www.thujagardens.com/LombardyPoplar.html
1141486;1432183310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123059 @ 0.00027471 = 33.8055 BTC [-]
1141487;1432183346;BingoBoingo;But not really Lombary Poplars suck. Grow too fast, insufficient trunk strength, gets blown over on the first strong wind. And if it doesn't blow over dies at 30 anyways because fuck you.
1141488;1432183371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131505 @ 0.00027468 = 36.1218 BTC [-] {3} 
1141489;1432183375;decimation;yeah poplars are shit wood
1141490;1432183382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is an excellent model for the reddit/tumblr/etc failure modes.
1141491;1432183423;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo poplars are the hitchiker whore of trees. cheap, available and ineffectual.
1141492;1432183433;decimation;note that the failure mode with the mice isn't too little information - it's too much
1141493;1432183456;mircea_popescu;" more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against" << that's the hot core of failure.
1141494;1432183467;asciilifeform;decimation: failure mode - as with most mechanisms under the sun - is from operation outside of envelope.
1141495;1432183498;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dunno hitchiker whores can make it to 40 and become settled whores unless they roll a Ted Bundy
1141496;1432183544;mircea_popescu;i guess there's that.
1141497;1432183582;BingoBoingo;And poplars too have a purpose. If you are otherwise broke, have rain, and really want firewood for next winter...
1141498;1432183628;decimation;!up AmbitionzAzARida
1141499;1432183631;decimation;!up evian11_____
1141500;1432183634;BingoBoingo;!up evian11_____
1141501;1432183682;BingoBoingo;It's just... really hard to trust a tree that struggles to live twice as long as a dog
1141502;1432183713;decimation;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/nicholas_vincen.html < "The myth, even as early as the 12th century, that the English are freeborn people--it's a load of nonsense; they come from Troy; they are the exiles from ancient Troy defeated by the Greeks: they go off and they found this kingdom of England from which they eventually get a king called Arthur. But they are a freedom-loving people. They live under liberty and freedom. Of
1141503;1432183775;decimation;english 'liberty' as founded in the magna carta is just repeating asperations until they become true
1141504;1432183830;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hard to trust a tree that struggles to live twice as long as a dog << brings up a point re: another tree. in ru, folks traditionally are fascinated with the huge birch forests. but consider, birch is a short-lived 'pioneer species'
1141505;1432183840;asciilifeform;it lives where earth was disrupted, destroyed
1141506;1432183849;asciilifeform;where - typically - pasture was left fallow
1141507;1432183855;asciilifeform;on account of famine, war, plague
1141508;1432183882;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's a couple of older birch trees near here. Exceptional because... don't look much like the other birches.
1141509;1432183966;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as a boy, i took a 1200km train ride. nothing but birch.
1141510;1432184000;BingoBoingo;My biggest annoyance at this phase of the summer's landscaping gigs is actually hickory. Lives forever, quality wood... but... The squirrels plant it. It lays low for a couple years and then zoom towards the heavens.
1141511;1432184052;BingoBoingo;And because squirrels plant it before cats eat them for winter sustenance, squirrels plant them in the worst places
1141512;1432184054;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: looked rather like this: http://poselok1928.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/112.jpg
1141513;1432184114;asciilifeform;as far as eye can see.
1141514;1432184114;BingoBoingo;That is pretty beautiful. Probably will be for another decade or two
1141515;1432184227;decimation;I'm a sucker for a large stately sycamore tree
1141516;1432184378;BingoBoingo;decimation: sycamore is even choice wood for some applications. Also low on litter and grows big.
1141517;1432184464;decimation;yeah, butcher blocks
1141518;1432184537;BingoBoingo;Also countertops, just fuck it. Granite bleeds radon and marble stains. Just install block and sand, then replace in a decade.
1141519;1432184541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10598 @ 0.00028144 = 2.9827 BTC [+]
1141520;1432184577;*;asciilifeform wonders what old-fashioned headsman's chopping blocks were made of
1141521;1432184583;BingoBoingo;Even birch is useful if you want to build a brownwater vessel
1141522;1432184604;decimation;eh, for countertops use quartz
1141523;1432184616;BingoBoingo;But poplar is only useful for filing insurance claims and watching your fuel wood burn too fast.
1141524;1432184630;BingoBoingo;decimation: porous, loses to red wine
1141525;1432184657;asciilifeform;wai wat
1141526;1432184659;asciilifeform;no.
1141527;1432184662;asciilifeform;quartz porous ?!
1141528;1432184666;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I thought they braced behind the chop
1141529;1432184675;asciilifeform;no more porous than your house windows
1141530;1432184689;asciilifeform;or light bulb
1141531;1432184707;BingoBoingo;http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2703805/white-quartz-countertops-and-staining
1141532;1432184768;asciilifeform;even glass - stains
1141533;1432184768;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If ideal quartz were marketed for this purpose no staining
1141534;1432184768;asciilifeform;not perfectly smooth, aha. but not porous
1141535;1432184788;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo:  braced behind the chop << old-school chopping blocks did not have 'chin rests' but were something like butcher blocks
1141536;1432184793;decimation;I never heard of quartz staining
1141537;1432184839;BingoBoingo;Oh, but countertop quartz, are you expecting a single piece? Most nao are chip and epoxy abominations unless you beat the greek (stone people are almost always greek) appropriately
1141538;1432184865;decimation;yeah, it's got epoxy
1141539;1432184872;decimation;also it takes no maintenace and looks nice
1141540;1432184918;decimation;actually if you want functionality - stainless steel
1141541;1432184932;decimation;easy to clean, antibacterial
1141542;1432184945;BingoBoingo;;;google chromium poisoning
1141543;1432184947;gribble;Chromium Toxicity Clinical Assessment - History, Signs and Symptoms: <http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=10&po=11>; Chromium toxicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_toxicity>; chromium poisoning - chromium related illness - injured by chromium: <http://www.thompsons.law.co.uk/workplace-illnesses-and-diseases/chromium-related- (1 more message)
1141544;1432184962;decimation;oh good lord
1141545;1432184971;decimation;how much chromium you gonna pick up from a stainless pot?
1141546;1432184991;BingoBoingo;However much is on the surface
1141547;1432185153;BingoBoingo;Wear items are expendable
1141548;1432185215;BingoBoingo;And engineering is an art of compromises
1141549;1432185441;BingoBoingo;Oh, and reddit is downs agan
1141550;1432185682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69098 @ 0.00025648 = 17.7223 BTC [-]
1141551;1432187142;BingoBoingo;!up gavmatic
1141552;1432188427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.00026387 = 13.4574 BTC [+]
1141553;1432188732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00026387 = 5.2774 BTC [+]
1141554;1432188735;mircea_popescu;troy ?! wtf.
1141555;1432188785;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#comment-114287 << achtung asciilifeform
1141556;1432189129;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think he prefers the salutation "panzer" when so hailed
1141557;1432189143;mircea_popescu;panzer asciilifeform
1141558;1432189239;BingoBoingo;So, as of a few hours ago this laptop is nao on its 4th cooling fan.
1141559;1432189363;mircea_popescu;hot stuff
1141560;1432189453;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Demanded fans every ~14-16 months on nigbuntu and nao wants to move to a 6 month schedule on OpenBSD
1141561;1432189463;BingoBoingo;I blame Bitcoin
1141562;1432189469;BingoBoingo;in a good way
1141563;1432189943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77800 @ 0.00026385 = 20.5275 BTC [-]
1141564;1432189994;mircea_popescu;quartz chips under the blade if not epoxied
1141565;1432190069;BingoBoingo;It does. And if epoxied it not only chips, but tunnels. Too brittle
1141566;1432191252;BingoBoingo;;;later tell gabriel_laddel The more time I spend with nonegenarians the kinder dementia pugilistica sounds
1141567;1432191252;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1141568;1432191552;mircea_popescu;http://netsledov.ru/issledovateli-bezopasnosti-vzlomali-4096-bitnye-rsa-kluchi/ moar ru. apparently they really like alf.
1141569;1432191634;BingoBoingo;alf is one of them
1141570;1432191732;BingoBoingo;alf is more Russian than them prolly
1141571;1432191903;BingoBoingo;Best I can guess alf is cold war relic Yeltsin was too drunk to deactivate and Putin found too cute to turn off
1141572;1432192771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167200 @ 0.00025706 = 42.9804 BTC [-] {2} 
1141573;1432193119;mircea_popescu;mike_c "легальные резиденты" my ratting comment @ the_scourge ? lol
1141574;1432193786;BingoBoingo;So, "Guardians of the Galaxy" least unbelievable of the Disney/Marvel movies
1141575;1432194662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00025758 = 5.1516 BTC [+]
1141576;1432195028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135920 @ 0.00025633 = 34.8404 BTC [-] {2} 
1141577;1432195767;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1141578;1432195777;gabriel_laddel;Oh hell yeah
1141579;1432195782;gabriel_laddel;ty
1141580;1432195929;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Sometimes other senses fail first
1141581;1432195947;gabriel_laddel;https://plus.google.com/photos/101394835895920000944/albums/5938074007124872641/5938073881911435698?pid=5938073881911435698&oid=101394835895920000944
1141582;1432196007;gabriel_laddel;^ see the first comment on the photo
1141583;1432196025;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOncx2jU0Q << Why they're trying to replicate the human hand/arm exactly idk
1141584;1432196085;gabriel_laddel;one could do *much* better quite easily.
1141585;1432196085;BingoBoingo;Eh, the rougher part is people with the grey and white matter in tact with the senses failing
1141586;1432196097;gabriel_laddel;Hey if you want to die, I'm not here to stop you.
1141587;1432196129;mircea_popescu;how goes gabriel_laddel
1141588;1432196178;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: finished an (interactive) Architectural tour of Masamune.
1141589;1432196193;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: need to find a box to hack the install proc on
1141590;1432196213;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1141591;1432196245;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: if you know someone in the SF Bay area who would throw me a computer, that would be tight.
1141592;1432196260;gabriel_laddel;I'm putting off messaging a friend atm
1141593;1432196271;gabriel_laddel;also, I'm broke, otherwise I'd just buy one.
1141594;1432196283;mircea_popescu;can't say as i do...
1141595;1432196300;mircea_popescu;but listen, if you're broke is thsi sort of grand architectural commitment the bestest policy ?
1141596;1432196313;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I've been broke for like a year now
1141597;1432196346;mircea_popescu;"i've had cancer for like a year now". good for you but eventually it'll kill ya.
1141598;1432196367;gabriel_laddel;So... you remember the tide usd vs. usd usd discussion?
1141599;1432196372;mircea_popescu;yeh
1141600;1432196377;gabriel_laddel;I'll be fine
1141601;1432196383;mircea_popescu;aite.
1141602;1432196391;gabriel_laddel;The only reason I do what I do is.. for the money
1141603;1432196400;mircea_popescu;masamoney ?
1141604;1432196404;gabriel_laddel;yea
1141605;1432196422;mircea_popescu;you wanna run me through that again ?
1141606;1432196430;gabriel_laddel;which part.
1141607;1432196458;gabriel_laddel;trinque: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/introduction.lisp
1141608;1432196519;gabriel_laddel;trinque: So I see you like CLIM
1141609;1432196519;mircea_popescu;the money part.
1141610;1432196527;mircea_popescu;im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to
1141611;1432196527;mircea_popescu;;;; communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise.
1141612;1432196527;gribble;Error: ";" is not a valid command.
1141613;1432196641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00025758 = 7.7274 BTC [+]
1141614;1432196742;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1141615;1432196750;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
1141616;1432196751;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=gabriel_laddel | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gabriel_laddel/
1141617;1432196789;gabriel_laddel;I've been broke for like a year, working on that which interests me so that I can make large sums of money rather than the 70-100k/yr you get programming. Also, money is just a system for communicating ideas about value - if one has value it can be turned into money and vice versa.
1141618;1432196796;gabriel_laddel;Masamune is going to make someone a lot of $
1141619;1432196806;gabriel_laddel;ask trinque how much better CLIM is than anything else on Earth
1141620;1432196870;*;mircea_popescu struggles to follow.
1141621;1432196899;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1141622;1432196910;mircea_popescu;are you in like a public library in guatemala or something
1141623;1432196924;gabriel_laddel;at home with an unpaid AT&T bill
1141624;1432196943;gabriel_laddel;which is seriously fucking up my ability to speak atm
1141625;1432197000;gabriel_laddel;they block various websites, but not all the time?
1141626;1432197007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74050 @ 0.00025612 = 18.9657 BTC [-]
1141627;1432197014;gabriel_laddel;I can get on duckduckgo, but not google, but can get on google+?
1141628;1432197016;gabriel_laddel;Idk
1141629;1432197069;mircea_popescu;okay so... how;s this oging to pay your internets bill ?
1141630;1432197095;mircea_popescu;america's top&trolls lol
1141631;1432197099;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1141632;1432197105;gabriel_laddel;it isn't
1141633;1432197112;gabriel_laddel;I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me.
1141634;1432197129;mircea_popescu;as in, urmom ?
1141635;1432197134;gabriel_laddel;nah
1141636;1432197146;gabriel_laddel;just people I've met since moving to Cali
1141637;1432197159;mircea_popescu;anyway. so how did you come up with the 20 figure ?
1141638;1432197192;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: sorry, 20?
1141639;1432197214;mircea_popescu;see, this is the golden rule of magic numbers : if you use one and then need context to indentify it, you've misused a magic number.
1141640;1432197221;mircea_popescu;medium sized organizations (1-20 persons).
1141641;1432197277;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1141642;1432197279;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1141643;1432197282;gabriel_laddel;yeah
1141644;1432197288;gabriel_laddel;After ~20 people you lose the ability for everyone to know everyone else.
1141645;1432197297;gabriel_laddel;you can't convince 30 people who don't know lisp to use it.
1141646;1432197301;mircea_popescu;that's called dunbar's number and is ~100 not ~20
1141647;1432197306;mircea_popescu;unless you're retarded
1141648;1432197325;gabriel_laddel;well, a software development team has different dynamics
1141649;1432197341;mircea_popescu;how have you established this ?
1141650;1432197351;gabriel_laddel;working on a software development team
1141651;1432197356;mircea_popescu;one ?
1141652;1432197363;gabriel_laddel;two
1141653;1432197373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216250 @ 0.00025438 = 55.0097 BTC [-] {3} 
1141654;1432197381;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1141655;1432197403;gabriel_laddel;The 20 number isn't a hard limit by any means, and I suppose I should change it because I pulled it out of my arse.
1141656;1432197408;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1141657;1432197411;mircea_popescu;"From this point forward it is assumed you have set aside some time to learn Masamune and need no justification for as to why any particular abstraction has been chosen." << so is this a cult then ?
1141658;1432197439;gabriel_laddel;Nah, justification is available, I just don't want it cluttering the presentation.
1141659;1432197470;mircea_popescu;that is a very different statement from the statement you're actually making.
1141660;1432197502;gabriel_laddel;:/ I don't immediately see how that is, but OK.
1141661;1432197592;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Is the argentine legal system as derpy as the rest of the country?
1141662;1432197602;mircea_popescu;no, it's much worse.
1141663;1432197730;mircea_popescu;"HotSlut22" #P"/root/quicklisp/local-projects/masamune/images/hot-slut22-avatar.png"))) o.O
1141664;1432197742;gabriel_laddel;Yup.
1141665;1432197786;gabriel_laddel;I needed an avatar for an example WoT program and dipped into the xxx folder
1141666;1432197905;mircea_popescu;github is so fucking retarded
1141667;1432197920;gabriel_laddel;as is git
1141668;1432197926;mircea_popescu;"Contributions in the last year". what the FUCK does this mean.
1141669;1432197931;mircea_popescu;"i dunno man, i just like counting"
1141670;1432197935;gabriel_laddel;haha
1141671;1432197947;mircea_popescu;here's a count of the items i've been counting : 833
1141672;1432197955;mircea_popescu;now divide it by 7 and make a graph!
1141673;1432197964;gabriel_laddel;Graphs are the future yo
1141674;1432197981;mircea_popescu;fake meaningless numbers processed as if they weren't. fucking fiat mindrot
1141675;1432198008;gabriel_laddel;Data visualization will save the seas of failed "college students".... or so they hope.
1141676;1432198018;mircea_popescu;this user has produced 77 productions and consumed 52 consumptions. 991 users approve.
1141677;1432198111;mircea_popescu;politicomathsocioscience 101 for the new generation : let there be user A who has 43 positive meaningless ticks and 22 negative meaningless ticks ; and user B who has 12 PMT and 17 NMT. who would win in a fight between homer simpson and a himalayan sherpa ?
1141678;1432198128;mircea_popescu;a : user B, because his PMT are cars, whereas user A's PMTs are empty cherio wrappers.
1141679;1432198194;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: if you've got some spare time on your hands, (Mc)CLIM is neato
1141680;1432198216;mircea_popescu;im testing eulora atm.
1141681;1432198255;mircea_popescu;"how many lcd screens do you get by adding seven oranges to a bucket of water ?" "8"
1141682;1432198318;gabriel_laddel;I didn't know the eurola crafting system was so advanced
1141683;1432198351;mircea_popescu;>1k items o.O
1141684;1432198470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198750 @ 0.00025541 = 50.7627 BTC [+]
1141685;1432198619;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> that's called dunbar's number and is ~100 not ~20 << See how Dunbar's number works is you can know 150 people, harass 1500 people, but only count on at most 15 to follow instructions
1141686;1432198653;mircea_popescu;it gets complicated.
1141687;1432198658;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1141688;1432198759;BingoBoingo;White people had a big gunfight in Texas over the weekend without civilian casualties and now everyone derps about big bad biker gangs
1141689;1432198785;BingoBoingo;Poplar discourse is stupid
1141690;1432198800;gabriel_laddel;Isn't Texas in a standoff with the Federal gov. atm?
1141691;1432198827;BingoBoingo;That actually might be over or ongoing.
1141692;1432198882;BingoBoingo;Weekend's drama was apparently biker gang splinter group was being confronted by their sponsors and likely DEA agent ran over some dude's toes, then hemophilia
1141693;1432199065;BingoBoingo;Just assuming DEA, because gunfight...
1141694;1432199173;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1141695;1432199185;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097710 << If I take different 3 buckets of paint and mix them into a homogeneous color is the system more or less ordered?
1141696;1432199185;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 20:39:18; mircea_popescu: africa is actually, at least from what i've observed, extremely ordered.
1141697;1432199208;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097619 << Thanks, that sentence was wrong. I was attempting to say was "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax short a full parser+printer". This is an extremely important point, addressed by Erik in his perl treatise:
1141698;1432199208;assbot;Logged on 11-04-2015 19:58:13; ben_vulpes: "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax (detect false positives short a full parser)" << this strikes me as a special case of the "cannot simulate a universe without a universe" claim.
1141699;1432199213;gabriel_laddel;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3163193555464012@naggum.no.html  http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3142145710427254@naggum.no.html
1141700;1432199393;BingoBoingo;Depends on the strength of your microscope
1141701;1432199394;Apocalyptic;;;later tell asciilifeform re pgpdump it actually displays details of HPA's invalid subkey, but for some reason doesn't print the associated keyid even once so my grep missed it
1141702;1432199394;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1141703;1432199515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00025541 = 1.0983 BTC [+]
1141704;1432199558;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << I'm not envisioning a great new wave of lisp on UNIX. Most people, when they use software, never question foundational abstractions. I can hack lisp, but cannot hack the myriad "dodo languages" UNIX is written in (and retain my sanity). If people are going to be writing code it should be in
1141705;1432199558;assbot;Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other.
1141706;1432199558;gabriel_laddel;CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste.  Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p
1141707;1432199558;gabriel_laddel;romptly forget about it. Actual people don't forget the experience of using something interesting (see your own hypercard post). I want them to be absolutely fucking incensed when they encounter windows or the like. Also, I love being able to kill/yank text in the browser + Emacs + CLIM. Also, money.
1141708;1432199686;gabriel_laddel;trinque: is that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os then screams about lisp at everyone? << After using CLIM, do you feel like screaming at people?
1141709;1432199712;gabriel_laddel;03:55:16 mircea_popescu: or for that matter, predict the next one, so you know where not to go o.O << Cincinnati
1141710;1432199791;mircea_popescu;i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best.
1141711;1432200022;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I'd argue with you, but it'll be less labor intensive to just wait until you use it (or even a select codebase like CLIM)
1141712;1432200029;gabriel_laddel;everything will "click"
1141713;1432200055;gabriel_laddel;and you'll say something similar to trinque "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life"
1141714;1432200062;gabriel_laddel;at least, this is my prediction
1141715;1432200159;mircea_popescu;well, i don't code much, so it's unlikely to make much difference to me. but in any case, this is how a good joke goes, or a good book. good books don't make much money.
1141716;1432200204;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: if you had Eurola shipped in 1/2 the time this would matter to you, no?
1141717;1432200226;mircea_popescu;notrly. the sticking point atm is the art and my game design, not the code.
1141718;1432200257;mircea_popescu;i'd be pretty pissy if it was waiting on code.
1141719;1432200453;mircea_popescu;but w/e, im a bad example. suppose for someone it matters, and it saves them 10 billion pula.
1141720;1432200462;mircea_popescu;so they install it and run it, and that's that.
1141721;1432200468;mircea_popescu;how do you capture a fraction of the 10 bn pula ?
1141722;1432200519;gabriel_laddel;I took an early demo (long before I discovered CLIM) to large company X, demonstrated all the information I could collect, that I could write lessons integrated into the whole desktop environment. This company has the sneaking suspicion that people sort of dick around during the onboarding process and there is a huge variation in how long people ta
1141723;1432200519;gabriel_laddel;ke to complete it. Via Masamune it is possible to find out what these people are doing, optimize confusing paths etc.
1141724;1432200563;gabriel_laddel;I plan to write custom (source included) extensions for select parteners
1141725;1432200601;gabriel_laddel;eventually, if possible sell a 3D 'CLIM'
1141726;1432200613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00025366 = 13.9006 BTC [-]
1141727;1432200672;mircea_popescu;so rhel basically
1141728;1432200687;mircea_popescu;aka, art (in the "what is art" on trilema sense - work for the lord).
1141729;1432200818;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1141730;1432200832;mircea_popescu;well... hopefully you have an artist's stomach
1141731;1432200852;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1141732;1432200866;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: exactly
1141733;1432200904;mircea_popescu;who knew computing will spawn its own minstrelsy
1141734;1432200945;gabriel_laddel;lol
1141735;1432200946;mircea_popescu;(historically this is the EXACT contribution of the artist to the world, your  "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life" or as jourdain put it, "i had no idea i was talking in prose".)
1141736;1432201054;gabriel_laddel;Mathematica makes money, people say the exact same things about their software "I have lived in a...", but their product is braindamaged.
1141737;1432201090;mircea_popescu;mathematica only makes money because it's braindamaged imo
1141738;1432201102;gabriel_laddel;do explain
1141739;1432201117;mircea_popescu;not causation, but unbreakable correlation
1141740;1432201136;mircea_popescu;ie, you can't have the things that make it make money without the causes of the braindamage
1141741;1432201190;gabriel_laddel;Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged.
1141742;1432201203;mircea_popescu;you might be misinformed.
1141743;1432201211;mircea_popescu;they failed for purely sales reasons.
1141744;1432201216;gabriel_laddel;Yep.
1141745;1432201223;mircea_popescu;so no, they didn't make money
1141746;1432201243;gabriel_laddel;The real question is - how much did they spend on real estate in CA?
1141747;1432201253;mircea_popescu;ok, that also
1141748;1432201254;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1141749;1432201304;*;gabriel_laddel *shrugs*
1141750;1432201347;gabriel_laddel;Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time.
1141751;1432201351;gabriel_laddel;it doesn't exist.
1141752;1432201366;mircea_popescu;i thought you had bills in arrears. how would you pay a 10k bill ?
1141753;1432201376;gabriel_laddel;I've not always been broke
1141754;1432201380;gabriel_laddel;I just happen to be atm
1141755;1432201389;mircea_popescu;so you would have, rather than would ?
1141756;1432201406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92432 @ 0.00025366 = 23.4463 BTC [-]
1141757;1432201415;gabriel_laddel;if sane computing existed I would (update and then) send out my resume
1141758;1432201435;mircea_popescu;provided, of course, they let you work on it only
1141759;1432201446;gabriel_laddel;not at all
1141760;1432201460;gabriel_laddel;I'd happily work at pretty much anything to make money for a sane computer.
1141761;1432201469;mircea_popescu;so imagine it exists and they don't let you work on it oh oh oh i see.
1141762;1432201488;mircea_popescu;so imagine it exists and it costs the money you have + 1.
1141763;1432201503;gabriel_laddel;yeah?
1141764;1432201509;mircea_popescu;i think for the record most capitalists work on this concept
1141765;1432201527;gabriel_laddel;^ this is my impression
1141766;1432201528;mircea_popescu;"the world sucks, and id pay any sum for one that didn't. well... suppose it exists and it costs what i have +1 ... best get to work then"
1141767;1432201560;gabriel_laddel;That sentence is somewhat confusing.
1141768;1432201571;mircea_popescu;which part ?
1141769;1432201588;gabriel_laddel;"that didn't. well... suppose it exists and costs what I have +1"
1141770;1432201589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91145 @ 0.00024411 = 22.2494 BTC [-]
1141771;1432201629;gabriel_laddel;My position is simply that I can be broke and work on what I want to work on without being terribly inconvenienced
1141772;1432201630;mircea_popescu;1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly that world doesn't exist ; 4. but the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for the money he has + 1
1141773;1432201641;mircea_popescu;so 5. he goes to work, makes more money. this of course scales up the price.
1141774;1432201677;mircea_popescu;so he spends his life chasing the world that doesn't suck, a dollar at a time.
1141775;1432201692;gabriel_laddel;Hmm.. I think 4 should be "the capitalist simply presumes it *will* exist"
1141776;1432201703;mircea_popescu;why?
1141777;1432201711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00025541 = 24.2895 BTC [+]
1141778;1432201728;gabriel_laddel;If it doesn't exist, and other people want it - go make and sell it.
1141779;1432201747;mircea_popescu;he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist.
1141780;1432201759;mircea_popescu;in any case, this approach illuminates the fundamentally pessimistic outlook of the socialist.
1141781;1432201825;mircea_popescu;(which is why "does" not "will" - the bourgeois has no adherence to metaphysics.)
1141782;1432201955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103450 @ 0.00025714 = 26.6011 BTC [+] {2} 
1141783;1432202000;gabriel_laddel;"he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. " << I don't  understand how this follows
1141784;1432202122;gabriel_laddel;This model is bizzare. So if I'm a capitalist I should make money to purchase that which does not exist?
1141785;1432202128;gabriel_laddel;admittedly, you can hire people
1141786;1432202134;gabriel_laddel;but in this particular situation, who?
1141787;1432202155;gabriel_laddel;I'd end up having to type for them, and at that point, wtf I'll just do it myself
1141788;1432202423;gabriel_laddel;Though I'll note the "chasing a better world a dollar at a time" makes a great deal of sense, unless one lives in the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit.
1141789;1432202659;gabriel_laddel;story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
1141790;1432202669;gabriel_laddel;alright, goodnight.
1141791;1432202870;assbot;[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 15000 @ 0.000207 = 3.105 BTC [+]
1141792;1432202992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 18000 @ 0.00009 = 1.62 BTC [-]
1141793;1432203255;mircea_popescu;if you're a capitalist everything exists
1141794;1432203322;*;mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple.
1141795;1432204029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138350 @ 0.00025037 = 34.6387 BTC [-]
1141796;1432206653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67765 @ 0.00025758 = 17.4549 BTC [+]
1141797;1432207262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00025744 = 7.2984 BTC [-]
1141798;1432208772;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. << I didn't see this prior to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills. This is actually the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something to th
1141799;1432208772;gabriel_laddel;e effect of "linux devs are idiots and I'd like a judiciously defaulted gentoo please". The question is, at what point does this become something that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what they see as) quality software - sublime text makes money, as does
1141800;1432208772;gabriel_laddel;Intellij. The problem with these (ALGOL based) businesses is that their organizations ossify because of the sheer number of people that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming". This is inescapable if you choose to use ALGOL. I realize that this isn't a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev
1141801;1432208772;gabriel_laddel;s, industrial chemists, architects, research physicists etc would like to have a plug-and-play solution for going about their work. There is money to be made here. Afaik the only way to get there is: 1. revert to paper 2. teach *everyone* what an AST is, choose a language, add AST traversal mechanisms and write *everything* in it (this will continu
1141802;1432208772;gabriel_laddel;ally burn some of Earth's brighter minds, someone needs to think about the gnarly parser semantics when the language's syntax is updated - my experience is that you can't pay people to care) 3. use lisp. People have already tried 1 & 2, and the result is inevitably that even if they make money (Mathematica, Microsoft, Oracle...) the foundations of
1141803;1432208772;gabriel_laddel;shit catch up with them and we end up where we are today - nothing works and everyone insists that it does because they've bought into a lie. As for "is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise", thank you, will update.
1141804;1432208787;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: if you're a capitalist everything exists << this makes no sense to me.
1141805;1432208787;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. << I'm almost insulted.
1141806;1432208879;mircea_popescu;lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted.
1141807;1432208983;mircea_popescu;the problem with your theory is exactly that : it's a theory. life on earth is emergent pattern in chaos, not sensible arrangement.
1141808;1432209019;chetty;or chaos emerging from a pattern
1141809;1432209029;mircea_popescu;hehe
1141810;1432209076;mircea_popescu;now, the reason the quote is factually incorrect is pure godel. what you imagine as "simple" is only simple because you're using an unsimple language. otherwise, if you face the problem directly, it's very complex.
1141811;1432209099;mircea_popescu;moreover, and this is the important part, it's a poor premise because only idiots start their stuff with "most people"
1141812;1432209115;mircea_popescu;forget most people. you've not even made something and are already blunting it ? make it be good first, most people after.
1141813;1432209165;chetty;no such thing as 'most people'
1141814;1432209184;mircea_popescu;and as to "if you're a capitalist everything exists" - it's a subtle point, but in order for one to be a capitalist, the requisite premise is "that which is is and necesarily is, and that which is not is not and necessarily is not", ie, parmenides.
1141815;1432209203;mircea_popescu;so no, for a capitalist it is eminently impossible for something to not be and then come into being.
1141816;1432209221;mircea_popescu;only discoveries. no inventions.
1141817;1432209237;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel
1141818;1432209280;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. << I think she'd actually evict me, then decry that there were homeless programmers.
1141819;1432209308;gabriel_laddel;I'm not a socialist in anycase, I support my own being evicted.
1141820;1432209316;gabriel_laddel;I just happen to enjoy reading.
1141821;1432209409;mircea_popescu;you know womenz can be fiercely loyal in spite of their better knowledge.
1141822;1432209431;mircea_popescu;generally, it doesn't work out for them
1141823;1432209449;gabriel_laddel;Heh, women tend to not be loyal to me.
1141824;1432209465;mircea_popescu;now why would that be
1141825;1432209469;gabriel_laddel;my experience suggests that one must fuck them for this to be the case.
1141826;1432209483;gabriel_laddel;only discoveries. no inventions. << Okay, this makes sense - but someone must discover.
1141827;1432209496;mircea_popescu;yeah. children.
1141828;1432209512;mircea_popescu;the historical utility of children for human society is that they are more than happy to stick random things in their mouth.
1141829;1432209517;gabriel_laddel;!s is a child
1141830;1432209518;assbot;62 results for 'is a child' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=is+a+child
1141831;1432209530;mircea_popescu;they were used as exploration drones, basically. see what fruit is poisonous etc.
1141832;1432209643;gabriel_laddel;This is basically my current utility afaik
1141833;1432209652;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1141834;1432210026;gabriel_laddel;!up CheckDavid
1141835;1432210253;gabriel_laddel;!up CheckDavid
1141836;1432210633;gabriel_laddel;!up Adlai
1141837;1432210838;gabriel_laddel;!up Guest14108
1141838;1432210981;gabriel_laddel;!up shesek
1141839;1432211044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155300 @ 0.00025415 = 39.4695 BTC [-] {2} 
1141840;1432211410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00025805 = 22.1794 BTC [+] {3} 
1141841;1432211837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212200 @ 0.00024976 = 52.9991 BTC [-] {2} 
1141842;1432212164;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu got it
1141843;1432212164;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1141844;1432212316;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141568 << that thing is copy-pasted all over ru spamosphere, with scarcely any variation, and no mention whatsoever of the updates.
1141845;1432212316;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 06:59:12; mircea_popescu: http://netsledov.ru/issledovateli-bezopasnosti-vzlomali-4096-bitnye-rsa-kluchi/ moar ru. apparently they really like alf.
1141846;1432212489;asciilifeform;and speaking of which, the paulgrahamian blackout against the story is nearly total.
1141847;1432212508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105250 @ 0.00024961 = 26.2715 BTC [-]
1141848;1432212522;asciilifeform;entirely absent from the peanut gallery, and voted down into oblivion in the particular spots where i personally tried to insert it.
1141849;1432212540;asciilifeform;(the update, that is)
1141850;1432212635;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141789 << somehow suspected this.
1141851;1432212635;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 10:04:19; gabriel_laddel: story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
1141852;1432212643;*;asciilifeform wonders how many he led into perdition
1141853;1432212701;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141741 << complicated. see below
1141854;1432212701;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 09:39:50; gabriel_laddel: Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged.
1141855;1432212764;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141745 << smbx spent a fortune on r&d. they tried to amortize this cost any way they could, but nothing worked - other than peddling golden toilets to usg and subsidiaries. when political fortunes changes - it was over.
1141856;1432212764;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 09:40:23; mircea_popescu: so no, they didn't make money
1141857;1432212816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. of course. when caught lying... freeze.
1141858;1432212818;asciilifeform;so yes, they made neat things, no, they didn't figure out how to pay for it. and no one was ever able to repeat because this has not changed - no one today can afford the necessary degree of non-retardation.
1141859;1432212849;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it works for them, no ?
1141860;1432212858;mircea_popescu;no.
1141861;1432212889;asciilifeform;the buggers are, likely, very busy atm - preparing their 'we did it before'
1141862;1432212891;mircea_popescu;it didn't work for karpeles, it didn't work for lawsky, it ain't gonna work for graham, or for anyone else.
1141863;1432212900;mircea_popescu;it only works when "everyone". there's no everyone.
1141864;1432212901;*;asciilifeform looks forward to the demolition of graham et al
1141865;1432212997;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141750 << him and six other folks. others just want to play 'solitaire' apparently.
1141866;1432212997;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 09:42:27; gabriel_laddel: Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time.
1141867;1432213055;asciilifeform;;;later tell gabriel_laddel: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever.
1141868;1432213056;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1141869;1432213325;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141772 << the interesting thing is the blindness of this stereotypical character to items which -could- exist but cannot be brought into existence through traditional methods - planning, hiring, management. ergo items which could exist if you gave $raggedlispdervish a bathtub of benjies no-strings, do not and cannot exist because this is rather like asking $capitalist to stick hi
1141870;1432213325;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 09:47:10; mircea_popescu: 1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly that world doesn't exist ; 4. but the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for the money he has + 1
1141871;1432213325;asciilifeform;s cock in dulap.
1141872;1432213402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do i recall correctly that at some point they squandered a mn or so on some dumbass real estate deal ?
1141873;1432213405;mircea_popescu;symbolics that is
1141874;1432213406;asciilifeform;they did!
1141875;1432213411;mircea_popescu;aha.
1141876;1432213428;mircea_popescu;engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it.
1141877;1432213433;asciilifeform;and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death.
1141878;1432213460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my argument is that if smbx had -not- sucked at management, we would not be talking about their products today.
1141879;1432213465;asciilifeform;they would've sold unix boxes.
1141880;1432213475;asciilifeform;like sun et al
1141881;1432213477;mircea_popescu;eh, alt-history. who knows.
1141882;1432213501;mircea_popescu;im not familiar enough with the text & its context to call it
1141883;1432213504;asciilifeform;sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp.
1141884;1432213535;asciilifeform;-also- sold unique machine (you needed a smbx lispmach to run it, in fact, as front-end) but -also- comically mismanaged and squandered most of its dough on french chefs, etc.
1141885;1432213551;asciilifeform;i do not believe the correlation to be pure accident here
1141886;1432213585;mircea_popescu;i am more familiar with games market 20 years later by a long shot.
1141887;1432213609;mircea_popescu;this scenario played itself there numerous times : people with great ideas sucked at business.
1141888;1432213624;mircea_popescu;however, because > 100 tries, rather than the 3-4 you see in os market,
1141889;1432213635;mircea_popescu;there WERE cases which'd have been the "Competent symbolics that didn't do unix"
1141890;1432213640;mircea_popescu;like... maybe 3.
1141891;1432213640;asciilifeform;i'm not certain this is an accident. folks who are good at business, know better than to try selling lisp to mass market
1141892;1432213680;mircea_popescu;you understand good games are a lot more elitist than good os right ?
1141893;1432213698;asciilifeform;possibly
1141894;1432213707;mircea_popescu;because os has at least theoretically utility.
1141895;1432213709;asciilifeform;but game is also much cheaper on the expenditure side of things
1141896;1432213721;mircea_popescu;nobody plays a game because "i hate it but whatever, it works"
1141897;1432213727;asciilifeform;l0l
1141898;1432213735;mircea_popescu;yes, it is, which is how we got 100 tries rather than 3.
1141899;1432213736;asciilifeform;'farmville' ?
1141900;1432213755;mircea_popescu;however, that doesn't matter - how cheap it is in absolute terms. whether you have 100 outfits each owing 1mn or 5 outfits each owing 20mn
1141901;1432213762;asciilifeform;(hated but played. or those ipad casinos from last night's thread)
1141902;1432213775;mircea_popescu;i would say this is not hate but pretend-hate.
1141903;1432213781;mircea_popescu;like feminists "hating" men
1141904;1432213792;*;asciilifeform can see how this might be
1141905;1432213910;asciilifeform;incidentally, symbolics was not managed by engineers. it was managed by business expert types who were mislead by engineers into believing that the cost of the research could be amortized via 'honest work.' the lisp machine vendor which -was- managed by engineers into a very early grave, was lmi corp.
1141906;1432213921;asciilifeform;(yes, the one in rms's tales)
1141907;1432213924;mircea_popescu;so it ... WAS managed by engineers.
1141908;1432213937;mircea_popescu;engineer-bitch topping from the bottom still counts.
1141909;1432213949;asciilifeform;i suppose it does!
1141910;1432214006;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the fascinating case of fred quimby ?
1141911;1432214017;asciilifeform;not afaik
1141912;1432214026;mircea_popescu;ok, this will be enlightening.
1141913;1432214037;mircea_popescu;you ARE deeply, intimately touched by his work
1141914;1432214055;mircea_popescu;because fred quimby is the man that made cartoons be a meme. tom and jerry, loony tunes, all of it.
1141915;1432214069;mircea_popescu;cartoons exist in your mental universe because fred quimby lived at some point.
1141916;1432214092;mircea_popescu;now this man... he was a sales manager. hired away iirc from walmart, or some such, to run an animation studio.
1141917;1432214117;mircea_popescu;which he ran exactly like a fish market. opressing the ever-so-creative creative ppls, and famously lacking any sort of a sense of humour
1141918;1432214125;mircea_popescu;or even any interest in the subject of his profession.
1141919;1432214139;mircea_popescu;then, after decades, and NINE oscars, ie, his weight in fucking gold, he retired.
1141920;1432214172;mircea_popescu;the studio was taken over by the jenius creative minds in questions. you probably also know their names, because they are intricately connected to the absolute worst shit animation ever saw.
1141921;1432214180;asciilifeform;possibly on account of not being a deep scholar of this subject, i dare to guess that it was a 'balance of power' thing.
1141922;1432214182;mircea_popescu;the jetsons. scooby doo. take your pick
1141923;1432214187;mircea_popescu;wacky fucking races.
1141924;1432214195;mircea_popescu;if there was ever a bad cartoon, hanna & barbera made it.
1141925;1432214198;mircea_popescu;and then went bankrupt.
1141926;1432214206;mircea_popescu;twice
1141927;1432214212;mircea_popescu;and never got an oscar ever again.
1141928;1432214214;asciilifeform;the artists had enough pull to avoid being steamrollered by fishmonger. fishmonger had sufficient balls to avoid being steamrollered by artists.
1141929;1432214227;mircea_popescu;western animation would languish until someone signed mr spiel to do 100`000 movies a year.
1141930;1432214233;mircea_popescu;possibru.
1141931;1432214264;asciilifeform;this existed elsewhere - various u.s. chemical and misc. r&d corps of the '40-60s come to mind
1141932;1432214270;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1141933;1432214529;asciilifeform;in other news, the buggers know no bounds, http://www.networkworld.com/article/2925215/security0/new-protocol-from-guardtime-hopes-to-unseat-rsa-for-authentication-digital-signatures.html
1141934;1432214590;asciilifeform;'consider this excellent snake oil to replace tired old rsa' aha.
1141935;1432214590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the amusing tactical implication here is that well... they actually would have loved to say rsa is bad.
1141936;1432214590;asciilifeform;naturally.
1141937;1432214590;mircea_popescu;it's like... that's where the entire "mp is a troll" thing came from.
1141938;1432214590;asciilifeform;hence the immediate angle of 'omg1111!!!111!11 rsa broke'
1141939;1432214590;mircea_popescu;shit fucking hurt, "you seriously mean he makes us choose between this and that ?!?!"
1141940;1432214604;mircea_popescu;i must admit i had a lot of fun with it.
1141941;1432214692;asciilifeform;http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/689 << what they actually did. think 'deedbot' but since bitcoin never existed on their planet, they demand crippled computers with super seekrit drm cpu.
1141942;1432214752;asciilifeform;on planet usg, it is always 1992
1141943;1432214752;asciilifeform;sorta like poor old schmuck with dementia is always whatever his age of last controlled bowel movement, mentally
1141944;1432214752;asciilifeform;(or imagines)
1141945;1432214780;mircea_popescu;too bad so sad etc
1141946;1432214802;asciilifeform;'Like Bitcoin, Black Lantern uses an open-ledger system in which derived hash-value trees are maintained by Guardtime in order to monitor for changes. In the case of Bitcoin the values represent transactions; in the case of Guardtime, it�s the hashed signatures of the assets being tracked.' << tr0l0l0l
1141947;1432214873;mircea_popescu;lol
1141948;1432214885;mircea_popescu;BLACK LANTERN dude!!1
1141949;1432214914;mircea_popescu;like a black hawk crashed into green lantern.
1141950;1432214918;mircea_popescu;fucktards, these people.
1141951;1432214931;asciilifeform;well-funded fucktards.
1141952;1432214977;mircea_popescu;yeah. the sorta-fat, cowardly, euglena-scented kid everyone beat the shit out of in school.
1141953;1432214996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00024961 = 12.3807 BTC [-]
1141954;1432215000;asciilifeform;euglena? the microbe ?
1141955;1432215022;mircea_popescu;protist, yeah
1141956;1432215032;mircea_popescu;;;google "cu miros de euglene"
1141957;1432215034;gribble;MO-Piftel Cenzurat de Darius Iurca - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43tDr9XndEE>; Galben de metil - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galben_de_metil>; Murray Rothbard - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard>
1141958;1432215045;mircea_popescu;romanian is expressive what can i tell ya.
1141959;1432215048;asciilifeform;l0l
1141960;1432215055;davout;;;ticker --market buttfinex
1141961;1432215057;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.38, Best ask: 235.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 235.46, 24 hour volume: 12953.63746798, 24 hour low: 233.2, 24 hour high: 236.5, 24 hour vwap: None
1141962;1432215104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expect a great many of these 'will unseat rsa' idiocies.
1141963;1432215120;mircea_popescu;well now that it's broken...
1141964;1432215147;*;asciilifeform sorta surprised they didn't push the 'broken' narrative further
1141965;1432215194;mircea_popescu;what, and crown us ?
1141966;1432215210;mircea_popescu;nah, it's gotta be 2nd pass, with the usual vague baked in
1141967;1432215216;mircea_popescu;"recent advances" bla bla
1141968;1432215222;asciilifeform;... and peddle some 'lantern' replacement idiocy, why wouldn't they
1141969;1432215266;mircea_popescu;the other half is pushing for simply outlawing it, so.
1141970;1432215274;mircea_popescu;as you say, balance
1141971;1432215343;asciilifeform;the 'soft power' weasels tend to eat the 'hard power' shoot'em-all types.
1141972;1432215373;asciilifeform;just as the 'make plebes stupid & pliant' folks ate the 'pinkerton' pour la canaille - la mitraille types.
1141973;1432215383;mircea_popescu;myeah
1141974;1432215393;asciilifeform;(see limonov for mega-exploration of this)
1141975;1432215477;asciilifeform;not much balance, really. eventually everything softens into the soft fecal matter (tm) of 'soft power'
1141976;1432215506;asciilifeform;hence how the '90s 'crypto wars' ended with 'crypto is usg-legal but you can't buy an actual computer' thing
1141977;1432215507;mircea_popescu;the idea is to avoid splashing
1141978;1432215749;asciilifeform;splashing?
1141979;1432215804;mircea_popescu;yes. as the us turns into shit, the balancing act consists in avoiding splashing
1141980;1432216216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141700 @ 0.00026009 = 36.8548 BTC [+] {2} 
1141981;1432216254;*;asciilifeform is marvelling at the totality and cleanliness of the blackout. virtually no traces of The List anywhere.
1141982;1432216261;asciilifeform;anywhere public, that is
1141983;1432216426;asciilifeform;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aeLkbmNdBooJ:forum.piratenpartei.de/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D222843&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1 <<< grenzenlosnaiv ?
1141984;1432216500;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=A50591247C8E37A64117B74F78AB527059E13694 << just the 2 of us.
1141985;1432216588;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/grenzenlosnaiv << possible candidate, german, 'pirate party'
1141986;1432217612;wyrdmantis;Goodmorning/goodnight
1141987;1432217620;wyrdmantis;breaking http://bitstein.org/notebook/ben-lawsky-has-defected-to-bitcoin/
1141988;1432217680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00026302 = 9.0216 BTC [+] {2} 
1141989;1432217699;asciilifeform;wyrdmantis: disingenuous headline. bureaucrats do this faux switcheroo all the fucking time.
1141990;1432217707;wyrdmantis;;bc,stats
1141991;1432217708;asciilifeform;but they are only ever on one 'side.'
1141992;1432217723;wyrdmantis;;;bc,stats
1141993;1432217727;gribble;Current Blocks: 357427 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1420 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48731864673.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.15494
1141994;1432217758;wyrdmantis;so is neither bad nor good news?
1141995;1432217785;asciilifeform;wyrdmantis: about as interesting as a burglar getting out of jail to work at an alarm company
1141996;1432217803;asciilifeform;(which he will eventually rob)
1141997;1432217847;wyrdmantis;asciilifeform: i see, it's hilarious
1141998;1432217893;asciilifeform;the inevitable question which comes to mind is - why should we give a damn about this particular burglar? what world records of theft, or even of daring, did he break?
1141999;1432217908;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, he's just another larcenous piece of shit
1142000;1432218373;bitstein;asciilifeform: good points. I posted it mostly as a reaction to the knee-jerk reddit response getting all butthurt that he would do such a thing. Of course, indifference may be the best response.
1142001;1432218482;asciilifeform;bitstein: the best reaction to bureaucrats is the centuries-old formula popularized by solzhenitsyn - 'не верь не бойся не проси' ('don't believe'em, don't fear'em, don't ask [anything] of them'
1142002;1432218484;asciilifeform;)
1142003;1432218534;bitstein;That's great.
1142004;1432218595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 448400 @ 0.00026496 = 118.8081 BTC [+] {5} 
1142005;1432218774;chetty;http://www.thedailysheeple.com/cops-who-flash-banged-infant-are-blaming-the-baby_052015
1142006;1432219075;asciilifeform;chetty: gestapo could have entered a picture of mickey mouse as a defense. and will win
1142007;1432219106;asciilifeform;chetty: because their having to even file a defense is a mere formality. what, you imagine that court will say 'gestapo can no longer throw grenade before entering suspect house' ?
1142008;1432219150;asciilifeform;picture if the judge were to find for the plaintiff
1142009;1432219159;chetty;indeed
1142010;1432219174;asciilifeform;quite likely the response would be something like andrew jackson's 'marshall has made his verdict, now let him enforce it.'
1142011;1432219197;asciilifeform;(worcester v georgia)
1142012;1432219255;asciilifeform;'entering a room is always done in pairs. first mr. grenade, then - you.' (ru, apocryphal)
1142013;1432219323;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> as far as i can tell, he's just another larcenous piece of shit << well, he's one of the first crop of derpy bureaucrats who thought they;'re gonna leverage the fiat state into a position of bitcoin power in a hostile manner.
1142014;1432219332;mircea_popescu;he was defeated. no big whoop, for anyone except them.
1142015;1432219505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123100 @ 0.00026797 = 32.9871 BTC [+] {2} 
1142016;1432219728;williamdunne;chetty: Is that satire?
1142017;1432219845;chetty;well I recall the incident about the kid getting hurt a while back, not so sure about the court case
1142018;1432219980;williamdunne;Sure no I know about the baby I just meant their response
1142019;1432220054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00026812 = 20.6452 BTC [+] {2} 
1142020;1432220257;chetty;well I guess one would have to go read the actual court documents to be sure
1142021;1432221206;mircea_popescu;!up tcrypt
1142022;1432221285;mircea_popescu;trinque check it out, deedbot joined the evil side ?
1142023;1432221701;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 291 @ 0.00476312 = 1.3861 BTC [-] {6} 
1142024;1432221873;mircea_popescu;!up s7r
1142025;1432221876;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, chetty: looks genuine. http://www.scribd.com/doc/265760507/Flash-Bang-Reply
1142026;1432221936;mircea_popescu;eh by now the us police's got to this point where a) they're dumb enough to crash into each other and b) when it happens they'll write the wind a ticket for reckless endangerment.
1142027;1432221961;chetty;asciilifeform, well that is certainly proof we have passed thru the looking glass, if anyone needed proof
1142028;1432222073;asciilifeform;chetty: vestigial things, no longer having a logical reason to exist, tend to get trimmed down and eventually disappear. like cavalry sabres. in this case - the pretense of 'law'
1142029;1432222106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a) they're dumb enough to crash into each other << recall last year's shootout featuring solely police ?
1142030;1432222122;mircea_popescu;no ?
1142031;1432222126;asciilifeform;(iirc on two opposite sides of an obstacle, parked cars)
1142032;1432222129;mircea_popescu;my dementia progresses unabated
1142033;1432222175;*;asciilifeform searches logs in vain
1142034;1432222234;*;asciilifeform bbl
1142035;1432223645;lobbes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133388 << lmao. Idk why this cracks me up so much
1142036;1432223645;assbot;Logged on 15-05-2015 23:16:59; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu qntra banner http://i.imgur.com/8mYHVc0.png
1142037;1432223715;davout;News, views, & RABBITZ
1142038;1432223935;mircea_popescu;"Autobiography is only to be trusted when it reveals something disgraceful. A man who gives a good account of himself is probably lying, since any life when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats. However, even the most flagrantly dishonest book (Frank Harris's autobiographical writings are an example) can without intending it give a true picture of its author. Dali's recently published LIFE comes under t
1142039;1432223936;mircea_popescu;his heading. Some of the incidents in it are flatly incredible, others have been rearranged and romanticised, and not merely the humiliation but the persistent ORDINARINESS of everyday life has been cut out. Dali is even by his own diagnosis narcissistic, and his autobiography is simply a strip-tease act conducted in pink limelight. But as a record of fantasy, of the perversion of instinct that has been made possible b
1142040;1432223936;mircea_popescu;y the machine age, it has great value."
1142041;1432223944;mircea_popescu;one wonders what orwell would have thought of twitter.
1142042;1432225657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 347506 @ 0.00026531 = 92.1968 BTC [-] {2} 
1142043;1432227463;scoopbot_revived;There's no progress without control. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/21/theres-no-progress-without-control/
1142044;1432229318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2841 @ 0.00044706 = 1.2701 BTC [+] {5} 
1142045;1432230471;davout;fluffypony: i'm in ur meetup, stealing mozilla's wifi
1142046;1432230657;davout;first speech is quite derpy
1142047;1432231025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110500 @ 0.00026218 = 28.9709 BTC [-]
1142048;1432231034;danielpbarron;!up somethingsomethi
1142049;1432231047;somethingsomethi;thanks daniel
1142050;1432231058;danielpbarron;you are darksoul from gfy?
1142051;1432231064;somethingsomethi;no
1142052;1432231077;somethingsomethi;whos darksoul
1142053;1432231088;danielpbarron;someone who shares your IP, -
1142054;1432231105;somethingsomethi;clicked a link
1142055;1432231112;somethingsomethi;thats probably why
1142056;1432231122;danielpbarron;what's up, you like bitcoin or what?
1142057;1432231127;somethingsomethi;interested
1142058;1432231147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101000 @ 0.00025466 = 25.7207 BTC [-] {2} 
1142059;1432231208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115450 @ 0.00024885 = 28.7297 BTC [-] {2} 
1142060;1432231269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00024857 = 3.5421 BTC [-]
1142061;1432231587;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1142062;1432231635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134800 @ 0.00026546 = 35.784 BTC [+] {4} 
1142063;1432231712;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu msg ack'd. mega-l0l!
1142064;1432231713;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1142065;1432231828;trinque;gabriel_laddel | story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. << don't ever do this; if you can't make money doing it, you're not the guy to do it.
1142066;1432231860;trinque;"I can get us to Mars! It will only take more than any of us have."
1142067;1432231877;trinque;if you're taking us to the damned promised land, better be able to complete the journey
1142068;1432231905;trinque;you may at best go work for the guy who can
1142069;1432231924;trinque;after he beats the word "waste" into your skull
1142070;1432231966;ascii_field;trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this-
1142071;1432231979;trinque;I don't believe that.
1142072;1432232095;trinque;or on the other hand, if the only route to mars is starvation, maybe we've got no business aiming for mars just yet
1142073;1432232145;jurov;how doest that compare?
1142074;1432232182;trinque;ascii_field: my observation working for a few brilliant guys is that the unwillingness to break the grand vision into chewable pieces results in failure
1142075;1432232190;jurov;can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind?
1142076;1432232211;trinque;jurov: I am saying that if you think your problem is above economics, you're wrong.
1142077;1432232290;trinque;that said things like cardano look like chewable pieces to me
1142078;1432232304;jurov;go tell that to any of the geniuses who pursue clarity at the cost of starving
1142079;1432232313;jurov;that they are wrong!!!
1142080;1432232343;trinque;what does their clarity get me?
1142081;1432232347;trinque;how does this relate?
1142082;1432232386;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_of_starvation
1142083;1432232446;trinque;its as if someone's laying bricks one by one, and the guy with the vision for the road says "NO, YOU MUST LAY THEM ALL AT ONCE!"
1142084;1432232450;trinque;example, our "end user programming environment" (bastard son of spreadsheet) would've made a fine for-profit database editor
1142085;1432232462;trinque;every other product in its space is garbage
1142086;1432232504;trinque;but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"!
1142087;1432232556;trinque;actually better example than one road, a highway system
1142088;1432232567;trinque;connecting two cities is useful even if the whole system isn't done.
1142089;1432232694;jurov;if noone can snatch it from him repackage and sell, it§s your fault
1142090;1432232745;trinque;heh, CLIM!
1142091;1432232774;jurov;have you read the log about quimby/hannah&barbera?
1142092;1432232789;jurov;exactly the same case
1142093;1432232831;trinque;I'll take a look
1142094;1432232835;trinque;http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ << ?
1142095;1432232895;trinque;and then whatever convo this brought about
1142096;1432232895;jurov;and it was rehashed literally tonight
1142097;1432232929;trinque;gabriel_laddel | I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me. << this fucking kid
1142098;1432232980;trinque;these types if they can be managed at all have to be under the command of someone who doesn't give a shit about software as art
1142099;1432233156;ascii_field;it isn't about 'art.'
1142100;1432233437;trinque;assbot: near as I can tell this masamune is going to make gabriel_laddel rich because it "has" value
1142101;1432233443;trinque;guy's never sold a thing in his life
1142102;1432233448;trinque;!up ascii_field
1142103;1432233464;trinque;and also he "has value" because people are feeding him for free?
1142104;1432233485;ascii_field;trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough.
1142105;1432233500;trinque;absent this are the economic considerations
1142106;1432233509;trinque;so if there's no path from here to there, it's not a thing
1142107;1432233533;ascii_field;the path is me with 20 years of living expenses paid. or one of possibly 3 other fellas
1142108;1432233535;trinque;considering it as solely an engineering endeavor, you're probably right
1142109;1432233594;trinque;that's a couple million bezzlars tops
1142110;1432233601;trinque;not nearly the umpteen trillion I've heard before
1142111;1432233633;ascii_field;trinque: no, it's approximately this sum in -actual money-
1142112;1432233638;ascii_field;which is a very different matter.
1142113;1432233663;ascii_field;(though whole debate is about whether we ought to fly to alpha centauri or proxima centauri. neither is on the table)
1142114;1432233852;trinque;ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?
1142115;1432233863;trinque;because considering that I don't see how we disagree
1142116;1432233874;ascii_field;trinque: not related
1142117;1432233890;trinque;just sounds like you're not thinking like a business about that
1142118;1432233892;ascii_field;cardano is made of off-the-shelf parts.
1142119;1432233895;trinque;I'm not talking about the hardware
1142120;1432233902;trinque;er I mean, the engineering of it
1142121;1432233915;trinque;but rather the logistics and cash-flow required to take on the other things
1142122;1432233931;ascii_field;trinque: well, it is also deadly-practical, like a luger
1142123;1432233939;ascii_field;nothing 'blue sky' about it.
1142124;1432233974;trinque;sure, and I hope you charge me a good amount of margin atop cost to own one
1142125;1432233982;trinque;and perhaps other deadly practical things
1142126;1432234048;trinque;being able to control hardware via gpg-o-gram remotely, suuuuper appealing
1142127;1432234058;ascii_field;point is, hard to compare it with project that requires quite possibly more than one lifetime's worth of ab initio research
1142128;1432234196;ascii_field;speaking of,
1142129;1432234207;ascii_field;rng crate, i'm told, has shipped out.
1142130;1432234237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43722 @ 0.00024764 = 10.8273 BTC [-] {2} 
1142131;1432234278;trinque;nice
1142132;1432235022;trinque;https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden
1142133;1432235936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173361 @ 0.00024694 = 42.8098 BTC [-] {2} 
1142134;1432236363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108542 @ 0.0002471 = 26.8207 BTC [+]
1142135;1432237034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150397 @ 0.00025136 = 37.8038 BTC [+] {2} 
1142136;1432237705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13220 @ 0.0002637 = 3.4861 BTC [+]
1142137;1432238254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122100 @ 0.00025735 = 31.4224 BTC [-]
1142138;1432238803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89444 @ 0.00026277 = 23.5032 BTC [+]
1142139;1432238853;trinque;https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/36ru89/just_days_left_to_kill_mass_surveillance_under/crgjx6s << check out this motherfucker recommending people smartphone apps to protect their sekurity
1142140;1432239033;jurov;it's himself?
1142141;1432239107;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1142142;1432239117;ascii_field;let him sign it
1142143;1432239123;ascii_field;otherwise it's hitler talkin'.
1142144;1432239138;ascii_field;(leaving aside the question of whether mr s speaks for hitler)
1142145;1432239158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111500 @ 0.00026948 = 30.047 BTC [+] {2} 
1142146;1432239262;trinque;who knows, but snowden TM says call your senator and install appz
1142147;1432239308;ascii_field;or reddit says.
1142148;1432239564;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they could've simply poisoned him then
1142149;1432239564;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden
1142150;1432239591;ascii_field;(or what, usg hasn't graduated from hogwarts yet and doesn't do poison?)
1142151;1432239633;jurov;"shot and bury at sea" instead
1142152;1432239924;trinque;the whole thing is spectacle
1142153;1432240023;trinque;http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/gyrocopter-pilot-indicted-on-six-counts/ << two felony counts -- one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate" and another count of "violating registration requirements involving aircraft,"
1142154;1432240083;trinque;notably the felonies lack anything about super-top-govt airspace, those were the misdemeanors
1142155;1432240102;trinque;the felonies are simply... we are defining your remote controlled toy as an aircraft
1142156;1432240120;ascii_field;see also, mathias rust ( http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/the-notorious-flight-of-mathias-rust-7101888/?no-ist etc )
1142157;1432240181;trinque;oh shit, nevermind, it was carrying *him*
1142158;1432240181;trinque;so his felony is being a goddamn badass that built his own gyrocopter?
1142159;1432240181;trinque;they're terrified of capable people
1142160;1432240254;trinque;ascii_field: incredible, I'll read it
1142161;1432240260;ascii_field;http://www.usua.org/Rules/ruleandregs.htm << if his machine was under the weight limit - no license needed ?
1142162;1432240320;ascii_field;(doesn't get him out of the trespassing charge, but 'flying without license')
1142163;1432240320;trinque;does look like an ultralight, doesn't it?
1142164;1432240320;ascii_field;aha
1142165;1432240320;trinque;the thing's a chair and propeller
1142166;1432240633;ascii_field;'In the room waited Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, who had stopped by for a photo op and was posing a challenge for officers discussing safe ways to get the prime minister out of the building if necessary.' << oh noez, poor muppet might lose a string or two
1142167;1432240815;williamdunne;!rated davout
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1142169;1432240823;williamdunne;!rated fluffypony
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1142171;1432240826;ascii_field;incidentally, rust's flight caused the sacking of pretty much the whole of soviet air force brass.
1142172;1432240835;williamdunne;!rate davout 3 paymium, met IRL
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1142174;1432240850;ascii_field;who, if anyone, will usg sack ?
1142175;1432240855;ascii_field;betcha - no one.
1142176;1432240863;williamdunne;!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.davout.3:c906cea9df253411b904bef8d1ed9d67b4e4e03bed7e9bcd0ecbbcc71ec21ab5
1142177;1432240863;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for davout from 1 to 3 with note: paymium, met IRL
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1142181;1432240950;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for fluffypony from 3 to 5 with note: Met IRL, OpenRigs, Monero, etc
1142182;1432241286;williamdunne;!up ascii_field
1142183;1432241967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143286 @ 0.00027208 = 38.9853 BTC [+] {2} 
1142184;1432242577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108190 @ 0.00027363 = 29.604 BTC [+] {2} 
1142185;1432242634;ascii_field;https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event << apparently this still exists.
1142186;1432242694;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/VKDVerificationPGPCom.html << mega-l0l
1142187;1432242754;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1142188;1432242922;ascii_field;'Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key.'
1142189;1432242927;ascii_field;ahahahahahahaha.
1142190;1432242999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183601 @ 0.00025953 = 47.65 BTC [-] {2} 
1142191;1432243131;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1142192;1432243282;trinque;holy shit that's rich
1142193;1432243298;ascii_field;'The PGP Global Directory is not a replacement for the PGP Web of Trust, but an additional mechanism to provide a global foundation for the PGP Web of Trust that enables opportunistic secure communications.'
1142194;1432243300;ascii_field;tr0l0l0l!
1142195;1432243334;*;ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course
1142196;1432244219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70000 @ 0.00027177 = 19.0239 BTC [+]
1142197;1432244220;ascii_field;https://twitter.com/pgpcorp << lulzy usgization
1142198;1432244283;ascii_field;http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/STM/cmvp/documents/140-1/140sp/140sp1325.pdf << aaaand it was bought right after nist-ized
1142199;1432244344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24806 @ 0.00027177 = 6.7415 BTC [+]
1142200;1432244409;trinque;!up Hasimir
1142201;1432244431;trinque;Hasimir: register a key and I'll give you a 1 to self-voice in the future
1142202;1432244757;Hasimir;cool, thanks
1142203;1432244769;Hasimir;though I thought it had my key ... no matter
1142204;1432244781;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://blog.spaf.us/post/119499216803/two-security-researchers-break-rsa-4096-bit-keys << hard to even believe. someone ought to contact the man (assuming he exists in life) and ask, if he shat this out
1142205;1432244842;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1142206;1432244842;Hasimir;the sole purpose of that directory key is to provide minimal (stress minimal) proof that the entity controlling an email address approves the key as theirs, no more
1142207;1432244842;Hasimir;the other key (kind of) like it is the Hushmail DEMO key
1142208;1432244843;Hasimir;anyone not using hush can get their key signed by that by registering their key through the hushtools.com site and later retrieving the signed copy
1142209;1432244864;Hasimir;the other reason for using that, though, is to allow hush users to encrypt to you
1142210;1432244873;trinque;!gettrust Hasimir
1142211;1432244873;assbot;Trust relationship from user trinque to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/
1142212;1432244880;Hasimir;which really surprises journalists
1142213;1432244883;trinque;!rate Hasimir 1 new blood
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1142215;1432244913;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.Hasimir.1:ee9a4ae47c1dbfa21b646a35781ef846e516c54a915fa94d0a8160270a65b2f8
1142216;1432244913;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Hasimir with note: new blood
1142217;1432244930;Hasimir;cheers  :)
1142218;1432244974;Pierre_Rochard;!up ascii_field
1142219;1432244987;Hasimir;anyway, things like the directory key and the hush key are about the same as keybase.io
1142220;1432245025;Hasimir;well, keybase might be a little more useful (but would be better if it did not try to manage private keys for anyone)
1142221;1432245059;ascii_field;Hasimir: idk why anyone would want to pwn it, either. ask the fine folks who made the faux key for it..
1142222;1432245091;Hasimir;well, current theory from werner is it's just a software bug
1142223;1432245095;Hasimir;https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053644.html
1142224;1432245155;ascii_field;Hasimir: lie, and beneath contempt.
1142225;1432245155;ascii_field;Hasimir: examine the evidence for yourself. tell me it is a bug.
1142226;1432245155;Hasimir;erm ... do you use gpg or something else to access openpgp functionality?
1142227;1432245167;ascii_field;as, other meaning here
1142228;1432245198;ascii_field;'About 30 key with a valid key binding but with a partly duplicated
1142229;1432245198;ascii_field;   subkey where both have a valid key binding signature.  Most likely a software bug.' << possible
1142230;1432245229;ascii_field;and aha, they are already starting with 'That reminds if of a private discussion I had last autumn.  Some guy
1142231;1432245229;ascii_field;downloaded most RSA keys from a keyserver and tried to factor....'
1142232;1432245232;ascii_field;just as i predicted
1142233;1432245254;ascii_field;shitgnomes and their 'it didn't happen. if it happened, it doesn't matter. if it matters - one of -our- people did it first, of course!'
1142234;1432245293;ascii_field;'Incidentally, I met one of the other guys with a broken subkey at
1142235;1432245293;ascii_field;LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him.  For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-.
1142236;1432245300;ascii_field;mircea_popescu ^^^
1142237;1432245329;Hasimir;he was copied in on the email directly
1142238;1432245363;Hasimir;but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that)
1142239;1432245558;Hasimir;anyway, until the specific cause is identified, it can't be called either way
1142240;1432245575;ascii_field;aaaand for some reason this only happens to interesting keys, aha
1142241;1432245580;ascii_field;like debian signing key
1142242;1432245581;ascii_field;and anwin
1142243;1432245607;ascii_field;cosmic rays and memory corruption, apparently, can not only create valid self-sigs, but spare boring folks like you & i.
1142244;1432245607;Hasimir;but what makes them interesting?  just that it happened?
1142245;1432245635;Hasimir;didn't spare all the boring folks
1142246;1432245644;Hasimir;Charly Avital is on that list too
1142247;1432245655;Hasimir;and he's a 70-year-old hobbyist
1142248;1432245660;ascii_field;Hasimir: who said boring
1142249;1432245667;ascii_field;what kind of hobbyist ?
1142250;1432245680;Hasimir;just the local computer club kind
1142251;1432245704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101100 @ 0.00027177 = 27.4759 BTC [+]
1142252;1432245706;Hasimir;and you said boring, like 7 lines up
1142253;1432245734;ascii_field;Hasimir: you claimed that '70-year-old hobbyist' is necessarily boring
1142254;1432245736;ascii_field;i - disagree.
1142255;1432245773;Hasimir;oh, I see what you mean now ... so how are his keys more interesting than ours?
1142256;1432245781;trinque;that would be the thing to answer
1142257;1432245784;ascii_field;https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053644.html << koch claims that memory corruption can result in 1) corrupted key that is 2) has valid (!!!) signature. this is an insult to every intelligent reader and beneath contempt.
1142258;1432245844;ascii_field;or perhaps he does not claim this, but passes off as plausible
1142259;1432245844;Hasimir;specifically in relation to merging keys, not in general
1142260;1432245844;ascii_field;he must think we are morons.
1142261;1432245844;ascii_field;to even give this hypothesis the time of day, just imagine.
1142262;1432245878;ascii_field;aaaaand 'we did this all, yes, believe us, we just never bothered to mention in public'
1142263;1432245885;Hasimir;proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems
1142264;1432245916;ascii_field;Hasimir: the null hypothesis is not 'miracle happened.' this is not how it works.
1142265;1432245947;Hasimir;yes, but it doesn't prove your malicious bastards theory either
1142266;1432246004;Hasimir;no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd
1142267;1432246020;ascii_field;Hasimir: you are asking me to believe that a large number of moduli, carefully crafted such that in mutilated form, they are factorable -and- have valid sigs, is something that could somehow happen by accident.
1142268;1432246037;ascii_field;and that the presence of several 'interesting' names in the list, is also merely fortuitous.
1142269;1432246076;ascii_field;and that the burden of proof somehow lies on the reasonable, literate folks who can see, plain as daylight, that this is as likely as a bullet spontaneously materializing inside lincoln
1142270;1432246082;Hasimir;Phil Zimmermann isn't on that list, neither is RMS or even a former PM of my country (and yes, it was a real key)
1142271;1432246089;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is also not on list
1142272;1432246090;ascii_field;what of it.
1142273;1432246102;ascii_field;no one said it includes whole planet's worth of 'cool kidz'
1142274;1432246110;Hasimir;there are plenty of more interesting keys to target than that list
1142275;1432246118;trinque;Hasimir: now who is speculating
1142276;1432246124;ascii_field;and this is supposed to be an argument in favour of miracle ??!
1142277;1432246149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95021 @ 0.00027685 = 26.3066 BTC [+] {2} 
1142278;1432246159;Hasimir;trinque, true, but if the malicious bastards theory is the most viable answer: what is the motive?
1142279;1432246168;trinque;that's not the question to ask
1142280;1432246179;trinque;the question is "what do these keys have in common?"
1142281;1432246180;Hasimir;what is then?
1142282;1432246180;ascii_field;Hasimir: damned if i know. i - only see the bullet.
1142283;1432246184;Hasimir;ah
1142284;1432246189;trinque;and that isn't currently known
1142285;1432246193;ascii_field;Hasimir: good number of german pirate party folks
1142286;1432246196;trinque;great reason to keep digging though
1142287;1432246197;ascii_field;suggests to me - BND.
1142288;1432246204;Hasimir;trinque, indeed
1142289;1432246207;ascii_field;(who else gives a phuck about german pirate party)
1142290;1432246210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82929 @ 0.00028027 = 23.2425 BTC [+]
1142291;1432246351;Hasimir;ascii_field, we certainly don't, it's why we split from ppi
1142292;1432246364;Hasimir;I need to script that, clearly
1142293;1432246367;ascii_field;wai wat
1142294;1432246369;ascii_field;who is 'we'
1142295;1432246374;Hasimir;ppau
1142296;1432246393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99347 @ 0.00028027 = 27.844 BTC [+]
1142297;1432246408;Hasimir;oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia
1142298;1432246420;ascii_field;https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053648.html
1142299;1432246480;ascii_field;'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code
1142300;1432246480;ascii_field;(v. 0.9.something) mangled these keys?' << are they idiots or just pretending ?
1142301;1432246480;ascii_field;mangled and signed with valid sig, aha
1142302;1432246480;Hasimir;it's just a question, what's the problem with asking it?
1142303;1432246485;*;Hasimir waits for the penny to drop ...
1142304;1432246488;trinque;"teach the controversy" tactic
1142305;1432246493;ascii_field;^^
1142306;1432246498;Hasimir;hardly
1142307;1432246520;Hasimir;I can assure you that post in particular is from someone who just wants to know the answer
1142308;1432246549;trinque;on the one hand, how something functions, on the other, what someone intends
1142309;1432246563;ascii_field;someone who, charitable interpretation is, did not take even five minutes to think.
1142310;1432246575;ascii_field;'perhaps the bullet was always in lincoln, from birth'
1142311;1432246581;trinque;the vast majority of responses I've seen to this are of the "not worth looking into" variety
1142312;1432246581;jurov;what if the answer is no, keyserver can't ever produce valid sig in this case?
1142313;1432246582;ascii_field;'perhaps it fell from the moon'
1142314;1432246589;trinque;not "this is why this is bullshit"
1142315;1432246626;jurov;Hasimir, how can keyserver produce signatures of anything?
1142316;1432246635;jurov;*valid* ones
1142317;1432246660;Hasimir;jurov, it can't, but if the sig was already there, but other data got mangled, it might account for some things
1142318;1432246670;jurov;what things?
1142319;1432246691;trinque;if a factored subkey has a sig from the master key wtf
1142320;1432246691;Hasimir;the lack of data indicating cipher prefs on a key
1142321;1432246700;ascii_field;and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED
1142322;1432246702;ascii_field;motherfuckers
1142323;1432246706;trinque;I'm an idiot and I understand that much
1142324;1432246709;Hasimir;such as in the case of the key dignork and I discussed earlier
1142325;1432246790;trinque;!up ascii_field
1142326;1432246796;ascii_field;ty trinque.
1142327;1432246815;jurov;Hasimir, so I take some key, mangle "data indicating cipher prefs" and whatnot, and viola, valid signature without original key's owner knowledge?
1142328;1432246840;Hasimir;no idea
1142329;1432246846;ascii_field;and we are to believe that this happens by accident, with no other bits flipped. ever.
1142330;1432246893;Hasimir;I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy
1142331;1432246917;ascii_field;incidentally, i just walked the totality of sks db looking for -all- rsa keys with pub-exponents equal to 281479271743489.
1142332;1432246931;ascii_field;they are -all- in the set from the heuristic published on mircea_popescu's www.
1142333;1432246940;jurov;Hasimir: you're too willing not to think about it and handwave it away
1142334;1432246946;Hasimir;the weird pattern thing?
1142335;1432246969;ascii_field;Hasimir: yes. you can write a proggy to create this type of key from any rsa pubkey you like.
1142336;1432246969;Hasimir;jurov, not so, if that were the case I wouldn't be here discussing it
1142337;1432246978;ascii_field;aaactually
1142338;1432247001;ascii_field;Hasimir: please realize that so far you are setting off every possible alarm in my head, 'disinfo agent'
1142339;1432247015;trinque;incidentally I don't recall anyone here making specific claims about who is behind this
1142340;1432247024;ascii_field;Hasimir: also realize that we are talking about an experiment which -any- interested reader, at this point, could replicate.
1142341;1432247030;ascii_field;data is public. the code, largely - also public.
1142342;1432247033;Hasimir;trinque, except for the BND ...
1142343;1432247060;ascii_field;BND is just a random guess of mine at present, based on the de pirate party thing
1142344;1432247070;Hasimir;ok
1142345;1432247109;ascii_field;but there are human fingerprints on it. take the 'bug' or 'cosmic ray' hypothesis to a home for retarded folks. nobody here is dumb enough to fall for it.
1142346;1432247132;ascii_field;this goes for -all- the agents who read the logs.
1142347;1432247160;Hasimir;alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks?
1142348;1432247170;trinque;the gain may have already been had
1142349;1432247177;trinque;who knows
1142350;1432247183;ascii_field;Hasimir: look when it was done, and when found
1142351;1432247187;Hasimir;in which case the target is on that list
1142352;1432247193;ascii_field;we have a skeleton here, not fresh corpse
1142353;1432247204;Hasimir;so 2010-11
1142354;1432247208;Hasimir;or so
1142355;1432247210;ascii_field;Hasimir: the target is almost certainly -not- on the list
1142356;1432247212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00028515 = 7.8416 BTC [+]
1142357;1432247219;ascii_field;it is someone who -would have written- to one or more of the folks on the list.
1142358;1432247237;Hasimir;ah, of course ...
1142359;1432247254;Hasimir;hrm ...
1142360;1432247274;Hasimir;so someone who already had all those keys in their keyring ...
1142361;1432247303;ascii_field;Hasimir: the genuine keys, you mean ?
1142362;1432247304;Hasimir;or at least all the names ...
1142363;1432247308;Hasimir;yeah
1142364;1432247333;ascii_field;for all we know, it is possible that on some pgp client the faux keys could replace the genuine ones if user ever 'synced' from sks
1142365;1432247363;ascii_field;but this is secondary.
1142366;1432247542;ascii_field;i very much get what the agents are trying to achieve, yes.
1142367;1432247557;ascii_field;a soft fecal matter consensus that 'there is nothing worth looking into here, move along'
1142368;1432247626;Hasimir;I think there's something worth looking into it until an answer is confirmed
1142369;1432247642;ascii_field;that's more like it.
1142370;1432247691;Hasimir;you realise that's not a change of attitude, right?
1142371;1432247765;Hasimir;though logic and healthy skepticism requires questioning myself just as much, if not more so, than anyone else ...
1142372;1432247854;BingoBoingo;Hasimir: You have to understand influence agents of various sorts have passed here before
1142373;1432247862;BingoBoingo;!s ninjashogun
1142374;1432247863;assbot;1771 results for 'ninjashogun' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ninjashogun
1142375;1432247875;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667
1142376;1432247875;assbot;Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
1142377;1432247890;mod6;<+ascii_field> 'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code ... << this is gotta be trolling, right??
1142378;1432247909;trinque;plausibility of the lie is what's sought, not confirming it
1142379;1432247912;Hasimir;BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1
1142380;1432247918;Hasimir;so yeah, I get it
1142381;1432247926;ascii_field;mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue.
1142382;1432247934;ascii_field;let alone a full clue.
1142383;1432247946;trinque;Hasimir: that would be an awesome thing to sign and deedbot-
1142384;1432247950;ascii_field;^
1142385;1432247990;Hasimir;trinque, it includes him trying to lure me into discussing it and me giving him armchair legal advice
1142386;1432248004;ascii_field;l0l
1142387;1432248021;trinque;sounds hilarious; deedbot- it!
1142388;1432248041;Hasimir;it is so much funnier with knowing who packt/c0dex is ...
1142389;1432248063;Hasimir;I'll have a look at this deedbot thing then ...
1142390;1432248077;ascii_field;Hasimir: incidentally, zimmerman is not on the list because he is an nsa asset in good standing. the 'silent circle' and multi-coloured phones idiocies are more than ample proof of this
1142391;1432248089;ascii_field;usg -has- his genuine private key when it wants to.
1142392;1432248105;ascii_field;-how- he turned - i haven't a clue
1142393;1432248134;ascii_field;but to classify him as a genuine person may turn out to be dangerous for one's health (assuming that one is not asset himself)
1142394;1432248137;Hasimir;well, I know nsa head-hunted at least one nai employee back when they owned pgp corp
1142395;1432248147;Hasimir;that was Stephen Smalley
1142396;1432248160;Hasimir;as far as I'm aware he's still working for NSA
1142397;1432248173;ascii_field;'by their fruit you will know them' (TM)
1142398;1432248193;ascii_field;if zimmerman isn't in the pay of usg - he oughta be sending them a bill.
1142399;1432248194;Hasimir;or by their selinux mailing list in this case
1142400;1432248289;Hasimir;speaking of ancient arcane shit ... I also have a full copy of everything that the nsa had on radium.ncsc.mil prior to september 11
1142401;1432248304;Hasimir;it includes the rainbow series
1142402;1432248334;Hasimir;I should probably pop that onto an s3 instance
1142403;1432248354;trinque;Hasimir: deedbot records the sha256 of gpg signed messages into the bitcoin blockchain
1142404;1432248359;jurov;heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon
1142405;1432248374;Hasimir;trinque, oh my ...
1142406;1432248390;Hasimir;trinque, and the docs are where?
1142407;1432248390;jurov;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot
1142408;1432248450;Hasimir;merci
1142409;1432248458;Hasimir;it has to be clearsigned?
1142410;1432248471;trinque;yeah
1142411;1432248471;Hasimir;or just signed and ascii armoured?
1142412;1432248494;trinque;Hasimir: like so http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-23-23-16-59.txt
1142413;1432248597;Hasimir;does it look for the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" header?
1142414;1432248618;trinque;yes
1142415;1432248625;scoopbot_revived;Lawsky Moves to Private Practice http://qntra.net/2015/05/lawsky-moves-to-private-practice/
1142416;1432248640;trinque;Hasimir: either that or a public key
1142417;1432248655;trinque;you have to feed him your public key first, and it checks that against what assbot knows about
1142418;1432248663;Hasimir;ah, that explains why it can't be done with gpg -sa (a pity, that's a great way to avoid encoding errors)
1142419;1432248674;trinque;I synced over keys from assbot once, but am not running it via cron yet
1142420;1432248678;Hasimir;as in charset encoding errors
1142421;1432248699;trinque;Hasimir: deedbot- has his own key in the WoT, rate him and leave feedback and I'll get to it
1142422;1432248734;Hasimir;all it would take would be the same as allowing it to hash any pgp message
1142423;1432248757;Hasimir;the output looks the same, but with -sa it's not encrypted, just signed
1142424;1432248776;trinque;encoding hasn't been a problem yet
1142425;1432248787;trinque;anyhow use it, see what works/doesn't, rate the guy
1142426;1432248794;Hasimir;cool, will do
1142427;1432248797;trinque;I tend to hack on it on the weekends
1142428;1432248801;Hasimir;heh
1142429;1432248816;Hasimir;I've got a lot of crap ... er, code like that
1142430;1432248851;trinque;yup, I don't tend to stop coding, just swap which project
1142431;1432248854;Hasimir;the pyme port was a weekend effort ... about a fortnight ago
1142432;1432248900;Hasimir;but then I'm a fan of py3 (yes, yes, I'm a heretic too)
1142433;1432248906;trinque;speaking of which
1142434;1432248937;trinque;;;later tell gabriel_laddel ok, I'm loading up masamune
1142435;1432248937;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1142436;1432248961;trinque;fucker got me with his "3d" CLIM, whatever that means
1142437;1432249082;trinque;;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://dpaste.com/017XXRK.txt
1142438;1432249142;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1142439;1432249339;Hasimir;deedbot- http://www.adversary.org/ben-key.asc
1142440;1432249399;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1142441;1432249399;Hasimir;hmph
1142442;1432249399;trinque;Hasimir: it has a few sites whitelisted
1142443;1432249399;trinque;dpaste among them
1142444;1432249399;Hasimir;ah
1142445;1432249399;trinque;and needs the raw URL
1142446;1432249399;trinque;.txt
1142447;1432249490;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QCX2EW.txt
1142448;1432249550;deedbot-;imported: DB4724E6FA4286C92B4E55C4321E4E2373590E5D
1142449;1432249550;trinque;donk
1142450;1432249550;Hasimir;beat me to it ...
1142451;1432249613;Hasimir;nice little api on dpaste too ...
1142452;1432249916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159350 @ 0.00027277 = 43.4659 BTC [-] {3} 
1142453;1432249923;Hasimir;oh wow, paypal just capitulated -- I'll be back later, I've got Treasurer duties to perform
1142454;1432249971;trinque;cya
1142455;1432250594;cazalla;Hasimir, from Melbourne eh?
1142456;1432250628;Hasimir;cazalla, yep
1142457;1432250646;Hasimir;ok, account drained, now I can relax a little ...
1142458;1432250660;cazalla;to borrow from 8chan.. >>2015, still voting
1142459;1432250741;Hasimir;I guess paypal take allegations of 14 counts of their breaching the electoral act seriously after all ...
1142460;1432250826;cazalla;Hasimir, what do you gain by wasting time trying to change the politics down under?
1142461;1432250832;Hasimir;I wish I could've seen their internal company panic, though
1142462;1432250888;Hasimir;I've got a greater chance of influencing here than in the capital of the world ... I mean America
1142463;1432250924;Hasimir;granted, not a huge chance
1142464;1432250937;Hasimir;but still asliver of one
1142465;1432250940;cazalla;meh i gave up voting years ago, don't even bother turning up whether it's local, state or federal election.. they can pay me for my time if they're that keen for my vote
1142466;1432250989;trinque;last vote I cast was for Ron Paul in 2008, lol
1142467;1432250994;trinque;...I'm done.
1142468;1432251073;cazalla;trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one
1142469;1432251131;trinque;compulsory voting, hilarious
1142470;1432251132;trinque;bbl
1142471;1432251160;Hasimir;well, technically it's compulsory getting your name ticked off, but most vote once they're there
1142472;1432251176;cazalla;nah, it's not
1142473;1432251225;cazalla;AEC send a please explain letter and that's the end of it
1142474;1432251257;Hasimir;yeah, I missed a local council election once and got a similar thing
1142475;1432251319;Hasimir;on the plus side, being more politically active than the vec makes it believable when I say I was too sick to walk to the polling station
1142476;1432251328;cazalla;it's against my religious values to vote is already more than i should be required to tell them
1142477;1432251342;Hasimir;that works?
1142478;1432251383;cazalla;i've never had an issue with it or received a fine
1142479;1432251405;Hasimir;nice
1142480;1432251525;cazalla;and anyway, you don't need to vote in order to be politically active
1142481;1432251685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109150 @ 0.00027652 = 30.1822 BTC [+]
1142482;1432251846;Hasimir;also true, but I'm addicted to the game
1142483;1432251860;Hasimir;I know, I know ...
1142484;1432251995;BingoBoingo;http://labphoto.tumblr.com/post/119214028699/the-best-example-that-why-do-chemists-wear-lab
1142485;1432252227;cazalla;BingoBoingo, acid for blood?
1142486;1432252523;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Looks like a mix of some sort didn't want to stay in its container
1142487;1432252869;mircea_popescu;.
1142488;1432252879;mircea_popescu;yaty gribble. lol.
1142489;1432252940;mircea_popescu;http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89787/choose-your-own-exponents-in-rsa
1142490;1432253000;mircea_popescu;apparently some people are following.
1142491;1432253031;mircea_popescu;the fact that someone would spend the time to type in a 12 paragraph, 500 word reply made out of pure banal WITHOUT BOTHERING TO READ THE ARTICLE
1142492;1432253054;mircea_popescu;or to understand specifically what's being said or anything whatsoever... people must be real lonely.
1142493;1432253059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l, my comment is gone
1142494;1432253061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109300 @ 0.00028099 = 30.7122 BTC [+] {3} 
1142495;1432253067;asciilifeform;or hm, nm
1142496;1432253070;asciilifeform;different stackexchange
1142497;1432253103;mircea_popescu;he quotes "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA.". the full quote is "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA. The point is that you don't know what exact implementation flaws the NSA is or may be relying on, and for this
1142498;1432253104;mircea_popescu; reason giving as little quarter as possible is the correct policy."
1142499;1432253105;mircea_popescu;why even.
1142500;1432253403;jurov;mike_c this looks weird: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubsy/
1142501;1432253463;jurov;"top kek"
1142502;1432253463;mircea_popescu;it's a legit user.
1142503;1432253469;jurov;yes, i meant the graph mostly
1142504;1432253526;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142070 << it's a different sort of thing to do, hence the art discussion in the original.
1142505;1432253526;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 18:12:46; ascii_field: trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this-
1142506;1432253631;mike_c;I'll put on the list: "make 1-1 trust graph look better" :)
1142507;1432253658;mircea_popescu;mike_c incidentally it could just be a xckd-ish cartoon/joke
1142508;1432253667;mircea_popescu;if you have the energy.
1142509;1432253680;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142075 << haha, isn't THAT the age old question.
1142510;1432253680;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 18:16:30; jurov: can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind?
1142511;1432253725;mircea_popescu;and by the way, have any of the young eager minds here a la pete_d actually read dali's LIFE ? orwell reminds us it is certainly on the list.
1142512;1432253902;BingoBoingo;Also apparently medchem has its own Unix problem http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/05/21/crappy_antibodies_available_now_and_for_the_foreseeable_future.php
1142513;1432253969;mircea_popescu;it does. it would. it sucks more than bad unix.
1142514;1432253990;BingoBoingo;The problem of how many of the marketed moving parts work as advertised and only as advertised.
1142515;1432254055;BingoBoingo;No need to imagine if there were a dozen different versions of 'cat' because that's our situation
1142516;1432254075;mircea_popescu;problem is deeper than that, and scales exponentially.
1142517;1432254102;mircea_popescu;if you wish to make sure your salt is salt, spectrometric assay is cheap and purity is a matter of weighing.
1142518;1432254127;mircea_popescu;if you wish to verify an -usually unstable- 28k molecule compound, spectrometric assay is impractical and purity can in principle not even be established.
1142519;1432254181;Hasimir;wow, I never thought I'd discover paypal's kryptonite so quickly ...
1142520;1432254212;mircea_popescu;you had ?
1142521;1432254213;BingoBoingo;Indeed. All of a sudden you've got to put the stuff in a controlled solution and break out the X-Rays and magnification
1142522;1432254230;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and by the time you're done... you know it WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFUL. but you used it up.
1142523;1432254244;mircea_popescu;like the little girl that got sent to buy matches and make sure threy burn! so she came home with no matches
1142524;1432254246;BingoBoingo;Of course
1142525;1432254248;mircea_popescu;because she had burned them.
1142526;1432254328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133250 @ 0.00027205 = 36.2507 BTC [-] {2} 
1142527;1432254663;jurov;sooo... http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html finally looks like it's getting somewhere
1142528;1432254723;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142104 << i'm aware, and i think it's amusing, just how varied this cult is, or in other words http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138869
1142529;1432254723;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 18:38:05; ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough.
1142530;1432254723;assbot;Logged on 19-05-2015 10:15:46; justJanne: The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions.
1142531;1432254725;mircea_popescu;jurov sweet. but could the repeated string Author be replaced with the nick ?
1142532;1432254741;jurov;yes, it's planned
1142533;1432254745;mircea_popescu;coolness
1142534;1432254829;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do.
1142535;1432254829;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?
1142536;1432254839;mircea_popescu;not terribru concerning, this disagreement.
1142537;1432254973;jurov;mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated
1142538;1432255033;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they "could have" so they "might as well have had!!1". the all-consuming four points of the book are at work in the belly of hte beast itself, disgesting its own limbs.
1142539;1432255033;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden
1142540;1432255033;mircea_popescu;because... if you can you must.
1142541;1432255094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.0002841 = 33.2255 BTC [+] {2} 
1142542;1432255109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, that reddit suggests to me we shall soon have reddit/hn/twitter/facebook/everything accounts, each and every last one of us. and we won't even have to man them :D
1142543;1432255180;mircea_popescu;!s enigmail
1142544;1432255181;assbot;9 results for 'enigmail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=enigmail
1142545;1432255242;mircea_popescu;mmmmkay.
1142546;1432255289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wat
1142547;1432255312;asciilifeform;ah that.
1142548;1432255327;mircea_popescu;AsciilifeformOfficial sez : plox use enigmail kthx bai
1142549;1432255337;asciilifeform;wai where
1142550;1432255342;mircea_popescu;in the future.
1142551;1432255345;asciilifeform;aha.
1142552;1432255347;asciilifeform;surely.
1142553;1432255349;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1142554;1432255350;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/168S2P8.txt )
1142555;1432255355;asciilifeform;signed with twiddled key no less.
1142556;1432255363;mircea_popescu;lol srsly.
1142557;1432255370;asciilifeform;by cosmic ray (TM)
1142558;1432255412;mircea_popescu;"nsa's pgp keyservers not responsible for fraud - there is a history of cosmic rays having done this before"
1142559;1432255416;jurov;yes, there are atempts to use an AI to continue online activity of the deceased
1142560;1432255422;asciilifeform;!s dead souls
1142561;1432255424;assbot;7 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls
1142562;1432255435;jurov;when done, will be surely extended to living
1142563;1432255438;mircea_popescu;i think the point here is more along the lines of AD not AI
1142564;1432255449;mircea_popescu;no further research needed.
1142565;1432255451;asciilifeform;btw, all keys on sks having pub-e of 281479271743489 are 'magical.'
1142566;1432255458;asciilifeform;tested today.
1142567;1432255491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's the cosmic ray magic number.
1142568;1432255503;asciilifeform;surely.
1142569;1432255513;mircea_popescu;you see chitlin, cosmic rays don't often interfere with digital computers. but when they do, they always stamp in 281479271743489.
1142570;1432255671;BingoBoingo;It's God's righteous number
1142571;1432255682;BingoBoingo;You jsut hafta bereave
1142572;1432255761;mircea_popescu;cosmic rays come from Social Justice not from god you heathen
1142573;1432255776;asciilifeform;from HumanRights (TM)
1142574;1432255796;asciilifeform;phun phakt: ukrs officially rescinded HumanRights (TM) (R) in ua! just the other day
1142575;1432255804;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1142576;1432255808;mircea_popescu;they can do that ?
1142577;1432255808;asciilifeform;aha
1142578;1432255813;asciilifeform;poor orcs
1142579;1432255829;BingoBoingo;Ur prolly right, Any benevolent cosmic ray god would not allow this http://i.imgur.com/i0sbSYb.jpg
1142580;1432255889;asciilifeform;http://rt.com/news/205919-ukraine-bockade-rebel-areas << jurov can enjoy the rt
1142581;1432255949;mircea_popescu;bockade ? did they send pedos at the protestors ?
1142582;1432255949;asciilifeform;http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/266980.html
1142583;1432256009;asciilifeform;^ from horse's mouth
1142584;1432256009;mircea_popescu;lol!
1142585;1432256009;mircea_popescu;eagerly awaiting the kerrys of this world going "the atrocities in ukraine are due to russia!!1 the ukr govt clearly said they would break geneva convention unless russia buys them a popsicle and russia didn't!!11"
1142586;1432256023;asciilifeform;the whole idiot 'international komyoonity' edifice can digest any contradiction, likely
1142587;1432256026;asciilifeform;but the lulz!
1142588;1432256031;jurov;;;merkel already did
1142589;1432256032;gribble;Error: "merkel" is not a valid command.
1142590;1432256044;jurov;;;google 281479271743489
1142591;1432256045;gribble;Dealing with ext3 and sparse_super - Lists - Gnu: <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2005-05/msg00070.html>
1142592;1432256057;asciilifeform;this comes a day after the ua parliament voted to stop paying debt
1142593;1432256064;jurov;that numer appears in many places
1142594;1432256073;asciilifeform;which is somehow not a default, because... ???
1142595;1432256109;asciilifeform;jurov: 0x1000100010001
1142596;1432256147;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142175 << for them sacking is pointless, they don't have a qual programme so they'd just get the same muppets in a diff hat and have to remake the political arrangements. cost, no benefit.
1142597;1432256147;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 20:40:55; ascii_field: betcha - no one.
1142598;1432256177;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't often cosmic ray, but when i cosmic ray i always every fourth bit.
1142599;1432256189;BingoBoingo;Nordic System http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11347454/Mother-and-daughter-weigh-a-total-of-43-stone-and-get-34k-a-year-handouts-but-refuse-to-diet.html
1142600;1432256249;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, we have now experimentally found the wavelength of cosmic rays.
1142601;1432256249;mircea_popescu;they're four bits long.
1142602;1432256249;asciilifeform;turns out!
1142603;1432256249;asciilifeform;and are strongly attracted to start of pub-exponent.
1142604;1432256249;asciilifeform;we now know how to deflect cosmic rays from spacecraft!
1142605;1432256260;mircea_popescu;see, the way this works is, if the ray is going across the wire, then nothing happens. but if the ray goes through the wire, as it can happen rarely (random rotational positioning), then it hits every 4th bit.
1142606;1432256268;mircea_popescu;fiat physics!
1142607;1432256279;mircea_popescu;o yeah, let's patent this!
1142608;1432256284;asciilifeform;but only for 49 bits.
1142609;1432256288;asciilifeform;therewego.
1142610;1432256306;mircea_popescu;A Method To Insulate Aircraft From Cosmic Rays Digitally. "just carry a large bunch of e's in a pile outside hte ship"
1142611;1432256343;*;BingoBoingo should have done law school, or at least more Science classes so could at least become "patent agent"
1142612;1432256362;mircea_popescu;you can still become nerve agent :D
1142613;1432256389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is not a default BECAUSE THEY VOTES.
1142614;1432256395;mircea_popescu;jeez you don't know anything.
1142615;1432256416;asciilifeform;aha.
1142616;1432256484;BingoBoingo;Imma be a something
1142617;1432256535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key. It also requires periodic re-confirmation for each advertised email address
1142618;1432256535;mircea_popescu; by soliciting a response to a re-verification email."
1142619;1432256541;mircea_popescu;am i slow or something ? wut ?
1142620;1432256563;asciilifeform;a few of the faux keys are labeled 'pgp corp. global directory'
1142621;1432256568;mircea_popescu;o nm
1142622;1432256571;mircea_popescu;reading on the log...
1142623;1432256571;*;BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would make excellent motivational speaker
1142624;1432256574;asciilifeform;which is how i found the lolzatron
1142625;1432256613;jurov;http://blog.easydns.org/2015/05/20/unfortunately-we-have-renewed-our-icann-accreditation/ << related, compulsory domain email re-verification
1142626;1432256673;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142195 << the list of people who died of starvation ?
1142627;1432256673;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 21:22:14; *: ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course
1142628;1432256684;asciilifeform;l0l
1142629;1432256686;asciilifeform;the other one.
1142630;1432256709;jurov;is the former public?
1142631;1432256721;asciilifeform;jurov: aha. posted on mircea_popescu's www
1142632;1432256734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00028515 = 18.4349 BTC [+]
1142633;1432256734;asciilifeform;jurov: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations
1142634;1432256796;mircea_popescu;Endnotes [1] It's since been pointed out to me that renewals don't trigger WAPs. Renewals were in the original specification but the Registrars Stakeholder Group managed to get it taken out.
1142635;1432256796;mircea_popescu;heh it explains why im not getting flooded.
1142636;1432256807;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess we'll be moving to our own internet sooner than anyone anticipated.
1142637;1432256866;mircea_popescu;"One of the commenters on your other linked post (from when the policy was announced last year) mentioned having to create a Gmail account just to resolve the problem. Sure, that's a hardship after the fact, but there's little harm in proactively creating a Gmail account solely for the purpose of WHOIS contact."
1142638;1432256871;mircea_popescu;oh fuck you in the head already
1142639;1432256878;mircea_popescu;jesus christ these people.
1142640;1432256904;mircea_popescu;"you can not have an independent domain without a facebook account! internet OF THINGS, bitch!"
1142641;1432256908;asciilifeform;why spam drop has to be in 'gmail' ? (not that this isn't one of the few remaining uses of it)
1142642;1432256951;asciilifeform;or is it the tls idiocy
1142643;1432256971;asciilifeform;where 'plebe' domains can't actually receive mail from 'brahmin' domains
1142644;1432257016;mircea_popescu;it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them...
1142645;1432257030;mircea_popescu;(you recall, she used her own set-up in her own office, the nsa couldn't get her emails aha)
1142646;1432257066;mircea_popescu;so now a contrived icann policy that, no doubt atr some point in the retarded comissions, had "it'll prevent private webservers" as a +
1142647;1432257069;asciilifeform;they were pissed after having to spend fiddybux bribing server monkey, aha
1142648;1432257076;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1142649;1432257080;mircea_popescu;anywa, whaty about this spaf dude ?
1142650;1432257105;mircea_popescu;it's just a link under a page of cv-derp
1142651;1432257109;asciilifeform;claims to be 'professor of xyz', blog on spambler appeared from nowhere, sole post is reprint of the idiot crud
1142652;1432257173;mircea_popescu;all i see is a link to it.
1142653;1432257185;asciilifeform;aha link
1142654;1432257214;asciilifeform;to the word salad version
1142655;1432257226;mircea_popescu;Hasimir you should probably look into gossipd while at it, to understand why we think very little indeed of all these "solutions" or w/e they are, colored sugar beads.
1142656;1432257235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform weird.
1142657;1432257238;asciilifeform;aha
1142658;1432257279;asciilifeform;http://spaf.cerias.purdue.edu/usgov/index.html << also l0l
1142659;1432257339;*;asciilifeform not convinced that the earlier link has anything to do with the fella featured in above
1142660;1432257339;mircea_popescu;"They found 30 keys with a subkey having one of the
1142661;1432257339;mircea_popescu;first 1000 primes as a factor." <<< aha. somebody's not really done their reading
1142662;1432257339;mircea_popescu;seeing how 10 digit factors and more keys are actually on display in published fucking articles.
1142663;1432257343;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... << She used exchange, prolly pissed they had to risk a zero day
1142664;1432257354;BingoBoingo;!up gavmatic
1142665;1432257357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all the 10-digiters i found so far were, iirc, composite
1142666;1432257364;gavmatic;thanks
1142667;1432257381;asciilifeform;so the small-primes thing isn't nonsense off the bat
1142668;1432257387;BingoBoingo;gavmatic: I saw you've done some bitcoin news sort of posts on your blog
1142669;1432257390;asciilifeform;but the 'yeah we knew all this' is a typical crock'o'shit, yes
1142670;1432257399;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how composite ? i clearly recall there being primes longer
1142671;1432257400;mircea_popescu;brb
1142672;1432257417;gavmatic;yes i've submitted some stuff
1142673;1432257418;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i only got a chance to test the first 9 or so
1142674;1432257427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: will need to automate this, yes
1142675;1432257444;gavmatic;it's more a hobby at the moment, writing i think is over valued in our culture :)
1142676;1432257450;gavmatic;err under valued
1142677;1432257469;mircea_popescu;73014444049 = 17 * 641 * 6700417
1142678;1432257472;mircea_popescu;first one i looked at
1142679;1432257474;asciilifeform;aha
1142680;1432257481;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: none of it surprises, random n will normally have many small primefactors
1142681;1432257484;mircea_popescu;now, 7 digit thing is prime. eminently not in the first 1k
1142682;1432257489;BingoBoingo;gavmatic: Seriously consider submitting some pieces to qntra
1142683;1432257505;mircea_popescu;actuallky not even in the first 1mn, obviously.
1142684;1432257505;BingoBoingo;!gettrust gavmatic
1142685;1432257506;assbot;Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user gavmatic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=gavmatic | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gavmatic/
1142686;1432257508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, but folks normally speak of the smallest prime factor
1142687;1432257512;gavmatic;thank you for the suggestion
1142688;1432257525;asciilifeform;(why? ask'em)
1142689;1432257548;BingoBoingo;gavmatic: It's a way for you to write and accumulate shares which may have value eventually. Also qntra can always use moar text
1142690;1432257583;gavmatic;I understand, thank you very much for the offer, I will keep this in mind.
1142691;1432257588;BingoBoingo;!rate gavmatic 1 prospect in textfarm system
1142692;1432257588;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f1bda7d6d3a631e8
1142693;1432257606;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the implication i read in the quoted line was along the lines of Apocalyptic s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-05-2015#1140786
1142694;1432257607;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 20:54:58; Apocalyptic: I multiply then the modulus N by 3 (or any other small prime, the value doesn't matter)
1142695;1432257611;mircea_popescu;but perhaps i misread.
1142696;1432257639;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.gavmatic.1:0bae20ad25ba58bc558f2be25839dd89ce2b9d14a02fc037319734fe92bbf8e9
1142697;1432257639;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gavmatic with note: prospect in textfarm system
1142698;1432257659;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls to mpex queue. and there's a lulzy bug, CANCEL|1 responds the order is mangled despite i do have this order
1142699;1432257684;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142235 << so wait, we have actual experimental confirmation for the fabled http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-383.0-383.773 ?!
1142700;1432257684;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:53; ascii_field: LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him.  For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-.
1142701;1432257744;mircea_popescu;can they actually SAY WHO ?
1142702;1432257744;mircea_popescu;jurov on it.
1142703;1432257744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic started out by suggesting - correctly - that having, e.g., 3 - as factor - was not proof of weakness by itself, because one could take mircea_popescu's modulus, multiply by 3
1142704;1432257755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. and the implication i read was "a small prime AND ONLY THAT SMALL PRIME"
1142705;1432257760;asciilifeform;but this was, presumably, before he finished reading and learned -why- 3 was a factor
1142706;1432257764;mircea_popescu;otherwise i have nfi why what the guy said is worth saying
1142707;1432257779;asciilifeform;iirc he 'shot first before asking questions'
1142708;1432257781;mircea_popescu;(the guy = on the email list linked above we're discussing)
1142709;1432257787;asciilifeform;ah -that- one
1142710;1432257822;asciilifeform;i haven't a clue on whom the trap sprung
1142711;1432257837;asciilifeform;all the private meangurlz whispering, srsly, l0l
1142712;1432257866;*;BingoBoingo has been meaning to watch that film
1142713;1432257877;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mega-recommended
1142714;1432258035;*;BingoBoingo may or may not be putting it on a certain que
1142715;1432258094;*;BingoBoingo has watched 'Milliona Dollar Baby' too many times this month
1142716;1432258158;*;BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en
1142717;1432258220;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he thinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
1142718;1432258242;asciilifeform;where the shit gets to turn into wine rather than vice-versa (what it does on -our- planet)
1142719;1432258252;BingoBoingo;Perhaps he aspires to master C machine?
1142720;1432258265;asciilifeform;not seeing this intention in his works thus far
1142721;1432258271;asciilifeform;but i'll let the man himself explain
1142722;1432258274;asciilifeform;when he feels like it
1142723;1432258375;BingoBoingo;To be fair odd idea people find their way here and he wants a Lispy Unix. You tried to break Opterons into Lisp-Machiners.
1142724;1432258385;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but he is even more broadly mistaken in imagining that market will pay enough for -any- operating system to support a moiety, much less a grown man
1142725;1432258390;BingoBoingo;Sometimes one needs to ride the rail before finding a train
1142726;1432258392;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i tried many things
1142727;1432258418;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn't get the impression his expectation is being directly paid.
1142728;1432258454;BingoBoingo;My impression is he want's those support contracts Redhat failed and was cannabilized upon
1142729;1432258482;asciilifeform;how he planned to turn it into food&rent, i have no clue, but he implied knowing of a way.
1142730;1432258504;*;BingoBoingo still works on polishing his portfolio yards polishing his mexican credentials
1142731;1432258530;mod6;<+jurov> mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated << this is 404 for me.
1142732;1432258590;asciilifeform;wai wat
1142733;1432258590;mircea_popescu;bluesky ?!
1142734;1432258590;mircea_popescu;mod6 baby what happened there ?
1142735;1432258607;mircea_popescu;you forgot to click the confirm link in your icann email ? :D
1142736;1432258633;asciilifeform;forget for two weeks and it's the dulap !
1142737;1432258689;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeopleenvy/comments/33bqni/i_envy_beach_hams/cqndpya
1142738;1432258749;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142238 << dude check out the retarded children of today. "hi would you talk to me privately seeing how i'm too autistic to engage in the proper channels, of which i have a bevy at my disposal from www to irc ?" "no. and get your head out of your ass." "oh you know what ? I AM GOING TO PUBLISH YOUR EMAIL NAO BECAUSE MY HEAD WORKS FINE INSIDE MY ASS"
1142739;1432258749;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 21:56:03; Hasimir: but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that)
1142740;1432258749;mircea_popescu;what exactly is happening in the us ? is it a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland where children are brought up mostly by wolves and weevils ?
1142741;1432258749;asciilifeform;weevils.
1142742;1432258749;mircea_popescu;have you people no families, no fathers, do you not spend any time with your parents, is there no school, are there no books, nothing ?
1142743;1432258749;asciilifeform;last wolf at his luger long ago
1142744;1432258752;asciilifeform;*ate
1142745;1432258752;mircea_popescu;sometimes it looks like a separate planet.
1142746;1432258806;mircea_popescu;in what world is this sort of behaviour tolerated even of seven year olds, in their first year of schooling ?
1142747;1432258807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is a loose network of people who had fathers, went to school, read the occasional book even. for the bulk of the rest of the schmucks - above applies, yes
1142748;1432258828;decimation;lul > " one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate"" < so if he did not practice and prepare for his flight, and rampantly disregarded safety, would he not have 'operated as an airman'
1142749;1432258840;asciilifeform;decimation: and i bet that thing is under weight limit
1142750;1432258840;mircea_popescu;lol. mmmyeah.
1142751;1432258845;asciilifeform;below which - no license needed
1142752;1432258850;asciilifeform;official usg law, no less
1142753;1432258863;asciilifeform;he will have to sit down in the jail for trespassing
1142754;1432258894;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 baby what happened there ? << not sure. anyway, even if I add in ".com" or w/e to that link jurov posted, still nada.
1142755;1432258912;mod6;not sure what jurov was referring to.
1142756;1432258983;decimation;"premeditated disregard for usg's rules"
1142757;1432259011;asciilifeform;the hilarious part is the signed confession, apparently, -before- the flight
1142758;1432259022;asciilifeform;(was not believed)
1142759;1432259116;asciilifeform;ianal, but in usa, a machine below ~100kg is not considered an 'aircraft' and is not required to have items such as radio, lights, or a licensed flyer
1142760;1432259162;Hasimir;I was pinged?
1142761;1432259172;Hasimir;oh, quoted, nvm
1142762;1432259225;mircea_popescu;mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html
1142763;1432259285;mircea_popescu;Hasimir well since you're here...
1142764;1432259285;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142245 << you got to be kidding right /
1142765;1432259285;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:00:35; Hasimir: didn't spare all the boring folks
1142766;1432259285;Hasimir;yo
1142767;1432259298;mircea_popescu;what sort of argument is this supposed to be even, "it didn't spare all the boring folks".
1142768;1432259344;mircea_popescu;i came here for an argument! this is just contradiction, an automated gainsaying of everything the op says!
1142769;1432259372;BingoBoingo;So in case of Illinois vs. Bingo... Evidentiary hearing which was finally scheduled... continued again because St Clair County's State's Attourney has more asses than heads
1142770;1432259389;mircea_popescu;lol how long has that thing been going nao ?
1142771;1432259394;Hasimir;well, I'm not here for argument, I'm here to try and find out what the cause is
1142772;1432259406;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Since May 2013
1142773;1432259408;Hasimir;even if it is not directed by a malevolent actor
1142774;1432259417;mircea_popescu;aite.
1142775;1432259435;Hasimir;obviously if it is it'll be more interesting, but that's not enough to make it so ...
1142776;1432259436;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know there is redress for it taking too long, but i dun think iut's taken too long enough yet.
1142777;1432259450;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And I object to calling the case It's proper title because as and Illinois people I reject consensus on the people of Illinois vs. me title
1142778;1432259452;mircea_popescu;Hasimir i dun see how it'd make it more interesting, but ok.
1142779;1432259471;asciilifeform;i, for instance, will find it more interesting if we learn that it was caused by displeasure of the gods
1142780;1432259476;asciilifeform;like earthquakes!
1142781;1432259493;asciilifeform;(modern gods fire cosmic rays at sinners. earthquake - passe)
1142782;1432259495;Hasimir;it'd be more interesting because then you get to pursue them to find out what they're up to, like in any good detective story
1142783;1432259507;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142263 << which workload he conveniently DOES NOT present.
1142784;1432259507;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:04:45; Hasimir: proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems
1142785;1432259520;mircea_popescu;do you understand what dismissal with prejudice is ?
1142786;1432259521;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That redress is if they wait too long to file in the first place. But if hearing that takes 2 years to schedule has to be blown off because prosecutor whales aren't ready... Maybe I have a disposition by $5000/BTC
1142787;1432259576;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ahhh! ok. was soooo confused. was wondering if he bought a new domain ;)
1142788;1432259636;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142266 << he is not attacking them "for doing so". he, and i, and ~the rest of the world~ is pointing and laughing at them for their hallucinogenic subjective positioning where they seem to regard themselves as some sort of authority to whjich things are proven.
1142789;1432259636;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:06:44; Hasimir: no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd
1142790;1432259636;mircea_popescu;b-a is the sitting authority, not some random twerps on the mailing list of some random usg-mandated security theatre "product"
1142791;1432259636;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, I'm happy to test on the systems I've got here or have access to, but that's not a broad range
1142792;1432259636;mircea_popescu;and THEY are the ones who are NOT at liberty to make claims other than humbly and with a lot of proof.
1142793;1432259636;Hasimir;for example, there's no windows boxes here
1142794;1432259636;mircea_popescu;because THEY are the inferiors in this social encounter.
1142795;1432259650;BingoBoingo;http://imgur.com/a/ShoCV
1142796;1432259710;mircea_popescu;none of this having anything whatsoever to do with the actual math involved.
1142797;1432259710;mod6;jurov: ahh, ok, so let's talk about the best way to do this when we get a chance.
1142798;1432259710;asciilifeform;funny how the -only-, afaik, place where the maths have come up... is here.
1142799;1432259710;asciilifeform;(and trilema)
1142800;1432259717;Hasimir;so you want peer review, fine, who do you consider your peers?
1142801;1432259728;mircea_popescu;!gettrust Hasimir
1142802;1432259731;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/
1142803;1432259735;mircea_popescu;^ in there.
1142804;1432259752;Hasimir;hrm ...
1142805;1432259773;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I enthralled by assertions that "you can't get whole key package from factoring subkey" and yet... niggers.txt
1142806;1432259792;asciilifeform;waiwat
1142807;1432259805;mircea_popescu;Hasimir see http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ and http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ and so on.
1142808;1432259985;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's what some derps quoted seems to suggest. Factoring dat subkey doesn't really give priv key
1142809;1432259985;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: depends which subkey, of who
1142810;1432259985;asciilifeform;some of these folks have only one subkey; others - two; etc
1142811;1432259985;mircea_popescu;but on its face, the notion that someone would even be vaguely relevant for crypto and NOT be in the wot at all is so ridiculous as to defy the mind.
1142812;1432259985;BingoBoingo;Suggestion: For every broken moduli Phuctor signs a message "lol, I suck cocks" from factored keys
1142813;1432259985;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the thing is, some keys consist entirely of two moduli, both of which were factored.
1142814;1432259985;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Which is the value of Phuctor signing a sucks cocks message
1142815;1432259985;mircea_popescu;and the problem with that suggestion is that well, much more interesting to spend computational resources to enlarge the breach atm, than to go in depth.
1142816;1432259985;mircea_popescu;time enough to do that once the whole keyset's been combed
1142817;1432259985;Hasimir;depends on which wot really, I can think of one or two that would know the math well enough, but are not involved in bitcoin at all (the pgp wot, however, is another matter)
1142818;1432259999;Hasimir;oh, not counting people on any of the gpg mailing lists
1142819;1432260003;mircea_popescu;of course, any of these twerps peanut-gallery-ing around COULD use their time to do any of the useful things obviously allowed by phuctor having, generously and very uncharacteristically for THEIR FIELD published a lot of raw results
1142820;1432260008;mircea_popescu;but they're not doing that, because idiots.
1142821;1432260027;mircea_popescu;Hasimir if it can't interoperate with assbot's it doesn't matter.
1142822;1432260030;BingoBoingo;Well with factors message signing shouldn't be too much CPU mathing, but I guess if at this rate ~98 keys sign "lol I suck cocks" at the end of sks dump processing makes better Trilema post
1142823;1432260033;mircea_popescu;let those people fix their broken implementation.
1142824;1432260034;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nah it appears to be because 'mircea_popescu is hitler and asciilifeform is mengele'
1142825;1432260047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform okay.jpg
1142826;1432260052;mircea_popescu;for all the difference it's gonna make.
1142827;1432260474;mircea_popescu;Hasimir what's LR incidentally ?
1142828;1432260483;Hasimir;LR?
1142829;1432260531;mircea_popescu;"My go-to guy for LR-to-BTC conversions at non-exorbitant rates!"
1142830;1432260536;Hasimir;oh
1142831;1432260542;Hasimir;Liberty Reserve
1142832;1432260545;Hasimir;now dead
1142833;1432260546;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1142834;1432260566;Hasimir;yeah, that didn't last ...
1142835;1432260618;Hasimir;apparently non-exorbitant was anything between 5 and 10% over spot
1142836;1432260627;mircea_popescu;o.O
1142837;1432260666;Hasimir;I'd found some site that let me turn the lrusd into mtgox coupon code things, so I just churned through it
1142838;1432260679;mircea_popescu;yah i think lots of people doing that 2012ish
1142839;1432260688;Hasimir;sounds about right
1142840;1432260747;Hasimir;I can't complain, my initial stake came from a one night coding effort and then I traded on that and built it a little bit
1142841;1432260787;Hasimir;given my laptop was bought with btc on -otc, I'm *way* ahead  :)
1142842;1432260846;mircea_popescu;works.
1142843;1432260961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121042 @ 0.00026846 = 32.4949 BTC [-] {2} 
1142844;1432261022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172258 @ 0.00026577 = 45.781 BTC [-] {2} 
1142845;1432261178;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142287 << logically, if they're german it wouldnb't be the german FOREIGN intelligence ag would it now.
1142846;1432261178;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:09:57; ascii_field: suggests to me - BND.
1142847;1432261197;mircea_popescu;but the density of german ppls on that list is, as janna observed, significant enough to raise an eyebrow.
1142848;1432261199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's the one sucking nsa cok
1142849;1432261236;mircea_popescu;as opposed to what, bfv or w/e ?
1142850;1432261275;asciilifeform;i suppose the cock is long enough to shishkebob them all
1142851;1432261300;mircea_popescu;hey, free money.
1142852;1432261438;mod6;danielpbarron: might be a good time to quick retest your key before the next batch
1142853;1432261474;asciilifeform;aha. presently it's spinning wheels burning through the already tested material resubmitted (script lost place when box was powercycled by unknown hands)
1142854;1432261483;asciilifeform;this might take most of night
1142855;1432261491;asciilifeform;if you submit key now, it'll go in head of queue.
1142856;1432261498;mircea_popescu;as it should. cool.
1142857;1432261507;asciilifeform;i will point out, for the record, that i do not expect a proper key to break.
1142858;1432261518;asciilifeform;but one of you fellas might be the lucky one.
1142859;1432261533;mod6;i threw mine in there again, it's 2nd in line or something "(queued, 2 moduli remaining...)"
1142860;1432261541;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142297 << o hey. care to enter a summary of that drama into the record ? i've always been vaguely curious but too lazy to actually put it on the intel list.
1142861;1432261541;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:13:28; Hasimir: oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia
1142862;1432261543;asciilifeform;mod6: cruncher is presently off
1142863;1432261570;mod6;is see what you're saying, i did it about ~5 mins ago. no worries.
1142864;1432261593;mircea_popescu;Vexual patel very common name in india so prolly not.
1142865;1432261595;mircea_popescu;!up Vexual
1142866;1432261609;Hasimir;you mean the ppi thing?
1142867;1432261624;mircea_popescu;yes
1142868;1432261635;Hasimir;pretty sure it got published on piratetimes.net already
1142869;1432261646;Hasimir;there's a few links, I'll dig them out
1142870;1432261684;mod6;this new vaporizer tank i got is blowing my mind.
1142871;1432261706;mod6;just thought i'd share that :]
1142872;1432261713;asciilifeform;mod6: how's this
1142873;1432261729;asciilifeform;(what is unusual about it)
1142874;1432261738;mircea_popescu;!rate Hasimir 1 Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia
1142875;1432261739;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6bf447a8c6c1193a
1142876;1432261751;mod6;it's so much better than old one. i'll find a link...
1142877;1432261759;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:b81063ad8ebbe75386e6515c03fc2fa43965115006ee19ce8462d99372379307
1142878;1432261759;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Hasimir with note: Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia
1142879;1432261782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he put his mind in the vaporizer :D
1142880;1432261790;asciilifeform;that'd do it.
1142881;1432261866;mircea_popescu;Click here ( 153701009 digits). yum.
1142882;1432261868;mod6;it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer
1142883;1432261882;mod6;mircea_popescu: hahah
1142884;1432261893;BingoBoingo;mod6: What are you vaporizing?
1142885;1432261896;Hasimir;oh, you know Rodney?
1142886;1432261897;asciilifeform;mod6: beautiful lathe work
1142887;1432261903;trinque;mod6: damn that thing looks nice
1142888;1432261908;mircea_popescu;Hasimir apparently you do, seeing how he's the treasurer ?
1142889;1432261920;mod6;BingoBoingo: 15mg nic
1142890;1432261923;Hasimir;he was treasurer
1142891;1432261929;mircea_popescu;o.O
1142892;1432261932;Hasimir;now he's backpacking through europe
1142893;1432261947;Hasimir;last I heard, somewhere near russia
1142894;1432261961;mod6;the airflow on this thing is beatutiful
1142895;1432261985;asciilifeform;mod6: what does it plug into? i see no power source
1142896;1432261988;mircea_popescu;when did this happen then ?
1142897;1432262010;Hasimir;well, I became treasurer in 2013, when he decided not to run again
1142898;1432262010;mod6;asciilifeform: that's just the tank, there is a 30W battery that it screws into from the bottom.
1142899;1432262067;mod6;mine is like: eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/eleaf-istick.html -- the one with the digital display i had with me in b-a.
1142900;1432262074;Hasimir;everyone else seemed afraid of the job, but it's not hard
1142901;1432262085;mircea_popescu;Hasimir intel says 2013, Ben McGinnes.
1142902;1432262096;Hasimir;that's me
1142903;1432262119;mircea_popescu;learn a new thing erryday
1142904;1432262128;mod6;didn't i see Ben McGinnes just post something to the thread about MP & the keys on the gnupg list or w/e?
1142905;1432262130;Hasimir;just like it says on my gpg key  ;)
1142906;1432262134;mircea_popescu;!rate Hasimir 1 Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia
1142907;1432262135;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8ff9ad7747daedca
1142908;1432262155;*;mod6 looks back
1142909;1432262161;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:bf7f710965a166083dd04a45ca06e05d82edae78c00b64c6adc73075db7ee508
1142910;1432262161;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for Hasimir from 1 to 1 with note: Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia
1142911;1432262166;Hasimir;mod6, yep the silly question about the keyserver
1142912;1432262171;Hasimir;mangling thingy
1142913;1432262174;mod6;that was you?!
1142914;1432262178;Hasimir;heheh
1142915;1432262190;Hasimir;and a certain someone didn't twig ...
1142916;1432262219;asciilifeform;mod6: http://www.eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/ipipe-ii-kit.html << lulzy
1142917;1432262284;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, my other hats include co-founding cryptoparty, also in 2012, and writing the bulk of the ppau submission to the national security inquiry
1142918;1432262294;mircea_popescu;which got ignored.
1142919;1432262317;Hasimir;well of course it got ignored, we were in favour of a logical response
1142920;1432262331;Hasimir;and they cried, "Because Terrorism!"
1142921;1432262346;mircea_popescu;but anyway, if you're looking for work to do, there's http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ which has a 25+btc pouch attached and most of the work done by mats an nubbins already, so cap it off and the lot of ya can then be paid
1142922;1432262407;mod6;asciilifeform: hahhah i never knew!
1142923;1432262407;cazalla;Hasimir, did you run that with asherwolf?
1142924;1432262407;Vexual;Hasimir, any thought on the suggested shipping reforms?
1142925;1432262407;Hasimir;cazalla, yep
1142926;1432262407;Vexual;right answer
1142927;1432262407;mod6;i used to smoke a pipe a long time ago.. not sure if I could get used to e-pipe.  pipe tobacco has a nice smell, etc.
1142928;1432262407;mircea_popescu;cazalla i hope you're all weirded out and inception-ed to fuck seeing how all your friends keep showing up in here.
1142929;1432262407;cazalla;Hasimir, can't say i'm a fan.. and look it's Vexual! lol
1142930;1432262451;Hasimir;cazalla, I do tend to describe that thing as my crypto problem child ... but, probably worth it
1142931;1432262460;cazalla;Hasimir, it or her?
1142932;1432262592;cazalla;mircea_popescu, what friends? i know Vexual from here!
1142933;1432262600;mircea_popescu;aok
1142934;1432262601;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1142935;1432262696;cazalla;and given Hasimir is from Melbourne, odds are he's a lefty and i'm hitler to those sorts down here
1142936;1432262696;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142321 << not exactly impossible, tho such bugs are so often weaponized it's not worth making the distinction
1142937;1432262696;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:18:20; ascii_field: and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED
1142938;1432262733;mircea_popescu;cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ?
1142939;1432262740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the original suggestion, as i read it, was bug in -sks-
1142940;1432262749;asciilifeform;creating, among other things, the valid sig
1142941;1432262752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, that's not happening.
1142942;1432262753;asciilifeform;which is preposterous.
1142943;1432262756;asciilifeform;aha.
1142944;1432262765;mircea_popescu;now a bug in [some] gpg... who the fuck knows.
1142945;1432262781;asciilifeform;2 bugs
1142946;1432262788;mircea_popescu;3 secret bugs
1142947;1432262790;asciilifeform;one to crap'em out, another - to swallow
1142948;1432262794;mircea_popescu;and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
1142949;1432262819;Hasimir;cazalla, it, not her and I'm more libertarian, but not the crazy american kind
1142950;1432262857;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142330 << the difference is subtle, but it is present.
1142951;1432262857;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:21:33; Hasimir: I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy
1142952;1432262868;mircea_popescu;Hasimir how's the crazy american kind ?
1142953;1432262887;cazalla;mircea_popescu, seen enough of it to know the place serves as a magnet for sjw types
1142954;1432262906;trinque;mircea_popescu: probably me
1142955;1432262909;trinque;lol
1142956;1432262913;asciilifeform;Hasimir: we have exacting standards for the criticism, is mostly it. you'd find the same treatment in, e.g., physics community circa 1890.
1142957;1432262925;Hasimir;guns above all else, absolutely zero taxes, involvement in society, even if social security is what stops revolutions and blood in the streets, etc.
1142958;1432262938;mircea_popescu;ic.
1142959;1432262954;trinque;Hasimir: how bout yes to 1, voluntary 2, fuck 3
1142960;1432262956;cazalla;Hasimir, not a fan of packing heat?
1142961;1432262961;Hasimir;viewing foreign aid as a handout (instead of the bribery it is)
1142962;1432262992;mircea_popescu;Hasimir the difference between handout and bribery appears as you switch context.
1142963;1432262994;Vexual;ill bet he can make a hot espresso
1142964;1432262995;mircea_popescu;they are the same text.
1142965;1432263042;Hasimir;cazalla, I probably would if I could, but it seems to almost be a religion for some and I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place
1142966;1432263056;mircea_popescu;haha that's a point.
1142967;1432263070;mircea_popescu;except he doesn't wanna go to melbourne
1142968;1432263103;Hasimir;it is a little cold, but the coffee is good
1142969;1432263125;Vexual;2 days on the train to melb, i don't sleep untill i get home
1142970;1432263127;trinque;easy to grant that *any* political group in the states is packed with morons
1142971;1432263133;trinque;the benefits of being armed stand on their own
1142972;1432263146;Hasimir;Vexual, sleep is for the weak, during the week
1142973;1432263150;Vexual;lol
1142974;1432263154;mircea_popescu;trinque a lot more dubious than all that.
1142975;1432263167;trinque;mircea_popescu: how so
1142976;1432263169;mircea_popescu;being armed is like carrying a large 1980s laptop everywhere that can't be turned on
1142977;1432263191;trinque;mircea_popescu: what would better protect my property or own life?
1142978;1432263201;Hasimir;mind you, I live in a place where it's illegal to carry something as relatively tame as pepper spray
1142979;1432263209;Hasimir;as I well know ...
1142980;1432263216;trinque;mircea_popescu: though you and I have vastly different contexts within which to consider those problems
1142981;1432263217;mircea_popescu;you know, just because there isn't a better solution of the same strength doesn't mean it's terribru good.
1142982;1432263218;trinque;haha
1142983;1432263223;trinque;I can grant that
1142984;1432263230;cazalla;Hasimir, not much point calling the cops or ambos if a couple Refugee australis of the somalian kind rock up to your place, i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em
1142985;1432263231;trinque;I'm surrounded by orcs
1142986;1432263238;trinque;meth-fueled even
1142987;1432263240;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ? << Not like I don't indict whole cities for eventual Bingo Justice
1142988;1432263267;mircea_popescu;trinque mind, i have lived like that, and for extended periods. contrary to what the outsiders think, nobody inside is really all that keen about having to drag the damned things around everywhere.
1142989;1432263294;trinque;ah, yeah I don't carry
1142990;1432263299;trinque;just keep some at home
1142991;1432263300;mircea_popescu;and everyone that does eventually settles for equipment much exactly opposite of what the arms fans favour.
1142992;1432263305;cazalla;Hasimir, what's the pirate party position on weaponry btw?
1142993;1432263309;mircea_popescu;ie, light.
1142994;1432263327;mircea_popescu;and no TaCtIcAl ScOpEz
1142995;1432263334;trinque;lol, certainly not
1142996;1432263344;trinque;a humble handgun and a rifle for sport
1142997;1432263346;Hasimir;cazalla, we don't have a formal position on firearms, but we generally favour individual freedom
1142998;1432263348;mircea_popescu;so the "nuts with guns" angle does have some merit to it fo sho.
1142999;1432263358;mircea_popescu;actually...
1143000;1432263361;mircea_popescu;!s crazy shit stick
1143001;1432263362;assbot;8 results for 'crazy shit stick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crazy+shit+stick
1143002;1432263376;Hasimir;have a look at the bill of rights policy and draw your own conclusions ...
1143003;1432263400;Hasimir;I suspect that if it came to a party vote I'd be in the minority and voting in favour
1143004;1432263415;Hasimir;but we have more important policies to complete first
1143005;1432263427;cazalla;yeah, it's a shame Australians are so fearful of guns
1143006;1432263429;mircea_popescu;ah, the dirty work of politics. which to do first.
1143007;1432263445;Hasimir;blame that fuckwit in tasmania
1143008;1432263450;Hasimir;martin bryant
1143009;1432263460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway
1143010;1432263481;asciilifeform;it's like a soviet tank on a pedestal in cemetary
1143011;1432263488;asciilifeform;might as well weld little flowers to it
1143012;1432263493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform /me knows but what shall i say of it anymore, it's an opaque topic on the basis of erryday experience.
1143013;1432263537;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway << Fading fast, apparently even I with paper work could carry "crazy shit stick"
1143014;1432263539;asciilifeform;u.s. small arms enthusiasts have separate category in their literature called 'carry'
1143015;1432263563;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ianal, but in u.s. locales rich in orcs, 'carry' is normally forbidden
1143016;1432263581;Vexual;when i read carry i imagine a kei truck
1143017;1432263582;BingoBoingo;<trinque> a humble handgun and a rifle for sport << FLip that Rifle for carry and pistol for sport
1143018;1432263592;cazalla;Hasimir, not convinced it was him or that he at least acted alone.. what sort of guy autistic retard like him could kill 35 people with such precision
1143019;1432263619;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: even in 'carry states', the list of public locations where such is forbidden, is quite long.
1143020;1432263620;mircea_popescu;cazalla>  i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em << why ? you're supposed to shoot out the knees/shoulders, and why wouldn't you ?
1143021;1432263624;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Really only holds when locales in question are california and "New York"
1143022;1432263637;Hasimir;remember that those ppl weren't used to a world where guns were common enough to worry about
1143023;1432263643;cazalla;mircea_popescu, how would i know what to put what where when we can't have weapons here to begin with :\
1143024;1432263653;mircea_popescu;and now we come full circle to the problem
1143025;1432263655;mircea_popescu;yes, tumours.
1143026;1432263663;mircea_popescu;not only on the gun. on the world too.
1143027;1432263670;Hasimir;and I imagine it's much like the more recent massacre in Norway
1143028;1432263683;Vexual;guns were very much more common here before howards decree
1143029;1432263688;Hasimir;with that other retard ... what was his name?
1143030;1432263698;cazalla;batman?
1143031;1432263702;Hasimir;the one who shot all those kids
1143032;1432263708;cazalla;anakin?
1143033;1432263708;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
1143034;1432263714;Hasimir;heheh
1143035;1432263757;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142347 << it's by no means certain the keys being publicly visible is intentional.
1143036;1432263757;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:26:00; Hasimir: alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks?
1143037;1432263797;Hasimir;fair point
1143038;1432263818;mircea_popescu;that's one theory (published as such in an article iirc). another theory hanbot came up with earlier in log, and i've been thinking about.
1143039;1432263820;BingoBoingo;So the Celosia already challenging the yellow heirloom rose for fastest boner in the front garden.
1143040;1432263821;Hasimir;Breivik, Anders Breivik, that fuckwit
1143041;1432263830;mircea_popescu;indeed, for all we know these keys were used in some sort of process, and a few accidentally leaked.
1143042;1432263837;mircea_popescu;we don't know enough atm to call on this
1143043;1432263854;Hasimir;that we definitely agree on ...
1143044;1432263870;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's not even terribly clear HOW to correctly classify these keys.
1143045;1432263880;BingoBoingo;<Hasimir> that we definitely agree on ... << Is punative sodomy
1143046;1432263898;mircea_popescu;there seem to be 2-3 different categories but they can be reconstructed in multiple approaches with different elements.
1143047;1432263919;mircea_popescu;which is why running the whole shebang is important - we need more members to attempt a classification
1143048;1432263925;Hasimir;has anyone tried deliberately making/breaking a key like this?
1143049;1432263926;mircea_popescu;which imo is the only sane way to proceed here.
1143050;1432263928;Hasimir;them
1143051;1432263945;mircea_popescu;Hasimir Apocalyptic was doing some work on this.
1143052;1432263950;mircea_popescu;more work always welcome.
1143053;1432263950;Hasimir;cool
1143054;1432263991;Vexual;yep, the cops went and took every registered repeater
1143055;1432264013;Hasimir;if they're encryption subkey bits then maybe it's from backfired attempts to segregate the cert key from the subkeys ...
1143056;1432264021;Hasimir;maybe
1143057;1432264042;mircea_popescu;so far the only seriously excluded hypothesis is "bit rot".
1143058;1432264051;mircea_popescu;anything else, pretty much may be.
1143059;1432264067;Hasimir;bits don't rot, they flip
1143060;1432264068;mircea_popescu;for all we know this is a not yet documented numeric field breakthrough
1143061;1432264094;mircea_popescu;Hasimir bitrot = "changes in data due to the substrate rather than activity"
1143062;1432264110;Hasimir;I know, I was being facetious
1143063;1432264112;BingoBoingo;Math breakthrough/phd thesis seems most likely atm
1143064;1432264120;Hasimir;been awake for a while ...
1143065;1432264123;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no fucking way srsly.
1143066;1432264131;mircea_popescu;i have had enough shockers for a year
1143067;1432264141;mircea_popescu;and it's barely may.
1143068;1432264165;Hasimir;BingoBoingo, no, they'd've published by now
1143069;1432264169;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Looking at there being a pattern at all... Moar shockers!!!
1143070;1432264205;Hasimir;unless it's on jstor ...
1143071;1432264209;mircea_popescu;Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow
1143072;1432264209;BingoBoingo;Hasimir: Nah, some poor motherfucker could be Dr. Motherfucker if only they didn't sign with an "Intelligence" agency
1143073;1432264226;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow << Yes
1143074;1432264235;Hasimir;ah ... kk
1143075;1432264276;mircea_popescu;the odds of which... gimme a break.
1143076;1432264291;BingoBoingo;I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru
1143077;1432264369;decimation;281479271743489 (the common exponent) = 65537*641*6700417
1143078;1432264377;BingoBoingo;!up AdrianoOliveira
1143079;1432264385;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142379 << and you've not published this ?!
1143080;1432264385;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:32; Hasimir: BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1
1143081;1432264410;*;BingoBoingo puclished front yart encounter with two sweaty feds
1143082;1432264411;mircea_popescu;decimation yes. and notice 641 was a factor in the modulus i quoited above
1143083;1432264425;decimation;yeah.  interesting.
1143084;1432264442;Hasimir;having trouble with deedbot atm
1143085;1432264449;mircea_popescu;!up deedbot-
1143086;1432264455;mircea_popescu;just say deedbot- url
1143087;1432264456;trinque;how so
1143088;1432264578;Hasimir;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3QDH2V3.txt
1143089;1432264638;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1143090;1432264638;Hasimir;woohoo
1143091;1432264638;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142381<< the other half being that ancient training of us politicians where "every question is an opportunity to rehash your agenda". and so... even if nothing else is said, repeating the "Erryone must upgrade" mantra is like buying ibm. won't get you fired.
1143092;1432264638;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:46; ascii_field: mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue.
1143093;1432264638;mircea_popescu;Hasimir wd.
1143094;1432264638;Hasimir;does it only work in channel or via pm too?
1143095;1432264703;decimation;https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/05/20/2015-11642/wassenaar-arrangement-2013-plenary-agreements-implementation-intrusion-and-surveillance-items#h-18 < "
1143096;1432264763;decimation;The WA-agreed definition for ?intrusion software? is proposed to be added to § 772.1 of the EAR. The definition also includes a Note that describes some items not included as ?intrusion software,?e.g., hypervisors, debuggers or Software Reverse Engineering (SRE).
1143097;1432264763;trinque;Hasimir: doing it here is nice for the logs, but it works both places.
1143098;1432264763;BingoBoingo;Someone understand wassenar to do a qntra piece?
1143099;1432264763;Hasimir;cool
1143100;1432264764;Hasimir;wassenar, god, I still want to bury that fucking thing
1143101;1432264768;decimation;^ usg is proposing to implement a treaty (purely via executive fiat) to ban the export of 'intrusion software'
1143102;1432264789;decimation;(unless you get a license and permission from usg of course)
1143103;1432264798;Hasimir;decimation, they've been at it through wassenar for nearly 2 decades now
1143104;1432264815;Hasimir;I first wrote about it in '97 or '98
1143105;1432264825;mircea_popescu;eh, who cares about the us anymore, not like they have the edge in crypto
1143106;1432264837;decimation;not even crypto related
1143107;1432264839;mircea_popescu;what's next, somalia won't export laptops ?
1143108;1432264873;mircea_popescu;decimation foss is fundamentally immune to this bs, and who uses ms hypervisor
1143109;1432264897;mircea_popescu;!up Panasonic
1143110;1432264899;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, but individuals aren't
1143111;1432264901;mircea_popescu;hey asc, there comes your fab.
1143112;1432264907;mircea_popescu;Hasimir individuals are mobile.
1143113;1432264925;decimation;it all comes down to "get a note from stalin"
1143114;1432264925;Hasimir;some are, hopefully enough
1143115;1432264944;Hasimir;or do a satoshi
1143116;1432264948;mircea_popescu;Hasimir you see how your position here contradicts your earlier stated position re guns ? :)
1143117;1432264959;*;BingoBoingo seriously wants some fresh wassenar news for the qntra
1143118;1432264964;mircea_popescu;apparently everyone holds the same beliefs when it comes to things they care about, and the other set for everything else.
1143119;1432264967;mircea_popescu;which... is fine :)
1143120;1432264977;decimation;wanna build an aircraft? fly an r/c plane?  put 'intrusion software' on your website?  get a note from stalin.
1143121;1432265007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00028614 = 2.5753 BTC [+]
1143122;1432265023;Hasimir;ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever
1143123;1432265038;Hasimir;they're a tool, like any other
1143124;1432265055;Hasimir;unfortunately often wielded by tools too
1143125;1432265062;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/kinkyshitlords/comments/33roxc/just_joined_fetlife/
1143126;1432265122;Hasimir;with a high percentage of said tools also having badges
1143127;1432265130;BingoBoingo;Guns need no badges, just oil
1143128;1432265179;Hasimir;case in point, that url posted here earlier of the cops who lobbed a flash-bang at a baby
1143129;1432265443;BingoBoingo;C&R Yugo SKS has a lot of pluses
1143130;1432265681;decimation;mircea_popescu: " foss is fundamentally immune to this bs" < not clear.  however I suspect usg would not want to try to stick someone posting foss - because the courts would likely find that this kind of regulation would contradict the first amendment
1143131;1432265724;BingoBoingo;WHatever all *nix are US legal by 2nd amendment
1143132;1432265777;decimation;and note this is a regulation, not a law
1143133;1432265807;Hasimir;BingoBoingo, that was Bernstein's argument
1143134;1432265846;decimation;Hasimir: yes and it was successful as I recall
1143135;1432265869;Hasimir;I thought it settled before it got far enough to set precedent
1143136;1432265887;decimation;right, which is why usg isn't going to test it again
1143137;1432265933;Hasimir;except for defcad
1143138;1432265944;decimation;https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/04/21-29 < and they did rule
1143139;1432266004;Hasimir;oh cool
1143140;1432266005;decimation;eh those defcad guys are just attention whores
1143141;1432266005;decimation;what has usg done against them?
1143142;1432266005;Hasimir;true, but the case might be interesting
1143143;1432266092;decimation;http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/09/state-department-demands-takedown-of-3d-printable-gun-for-possible-export-control-violation/ < the state dept sent him a letter
1143144;1432266184;BingoBoingo;Cody and Clitler have a back and forth
1143145;1432266190;decimation;"Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR."
1143146;1432266211;decimation;I'm not sure whatever came of this
1143147;1432266239;mircea_popescu;<Hasimir> ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever << not the point. earlier when guns were being discussed you said " I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place", which yes is a valid point. but when it comes to something you actually know/care about, suddenly it';s not nearly as appealing, as good a point as it may be.
1143148;1432266264;mircea_popescu;decimation moreover, you can just pgp me the code and i'll publish it.
1143149;1432266270;mircea_popescu;now it's been exported, samizdat style.
1143150;1432266280;decimation;ah it's in court http://www.scribd.com/doc/264435890/Defense-Distributed-et-al-v-U-S-Dept-of-State
1143151;1432266340;BingoBoingo;!s shovel ak
1143152;1432266340;assbot;5 results for 'shovel ak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shovel+ak
1143153;1432266340;decimation;they are trying the same argument as bernstein
1143154;1432266340;decimation;"Defendants? censorship of Plaintiffs?speech, and the ad hoc, informal and arbitrary manner in which that scheme is applied, violate theFirst, Second, and Fifth Amendments to the United States Constitution."
1143155;1432266340;Hasimir;decimation, yeah, I thought that was what you were talking about ...
1143156;1432266388;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, it's always a fine line to walk between being passionate and religiously devoted ...
1143157;1432266410;mircea_popescu;and the line a lot more visible in topics you care about enough to study in detail..
1143158;1432266415;decimation;mircea_popescu: of course, but that would give ground for usg to attempt to throw you in jail
1143159;1432266423;mircea_popescu;decimation how would they ever know ?
1143160;1432266434;mircea_popescu;they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema.
1143161;1432266447;decimation;someone has the privkey
1143162;1432266447;Hasimir;well, yes, because you're looking more closely
1143163;1432266489;mircea_popescu;decimation sure. so ?
1143164;1432266494;mircea_popescu;Hasimir exactly.
1143165;1432266618;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --buttchina
1143166;1432266619;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
1143167;1432266636;decimation;it will be interesting to see what the court rules on this
1143168;1432266638;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina
1143169;1432266638;mircea_popescu;jurov: heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon << nb, nb
1143170;1432266639;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.32941, Best ask: 236.334255, Bid-ask spread: 0.00484, Last trade: 236.327795, 24 hour volume: 16115.88970000, 24 hour low: 234.748325, 24 hour high: 237.342015, 24 hour vwap: 235.934384743
1143171;1432266645;mircea_popescu;i like cryptome but they have too much shit
1143172;1432266676;decimation;I suspect usg will withdraw because they don't want the court to rule that thier little export regulation house of cards is unconstitutional
1143173;1432266683;decimation;it provides jobs, see
1143174;1432266708;*;BingoBoingo watching asciilifeform's suggested movie
1143175;1432266708;mircea_popescu;depends. they didn't withdraw the obamacare taxnontax
1143176;1432266730;decimation;yeah but that's because obama would have personally lost face
1143177;1432266745;decimation;obama can pretend he doesn't even know what these people are talking about
1143178;1432266773;mircea_popescu;Hasimir: cool, will do << for the record, this non-readable dump of text stuff is annoying.
1143179;1432266793;decimation;at any rate, the pro-gun lobby in the us is quite strong and well funded, it generally levels political opposition
1143180;1432266797;mircea_popescu;if you must include blobs, include them apart from whatever it is you're deed-ing
1143181;1432266811;Hasimir;ah
1143182;1432266901;BingoBoingo;Also in USia Nagant, SKS, and other curios with bayonets already mounted ++
1143183;1432267025;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1143184;1432267071;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142468 << wait, wut ?! mandatory voting ?
1143185;1432267071;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 23:31:13; cazalla: trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one
1143186;1432267074;mircea_popescu;what is this, iran ?
1143187;1432267094;Hasimir;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt
1143188;1432267154;Hasimir;!up deedbot-
1143189;1432267154;Hasimir;guess not
1143190;1432267154;BingoBoingo;OMG asciilifeform movie night
1143191;1432267154;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt
1143192;1432267214;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, yeah, aus has mandatory enrolment for voting and fines if you don't show up to vote (or postal vote)
1143193;1432267214;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt
1143194;1432267274;Hasimir;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt
1143195;1432267334;Hasimir;snap
1143196;1432267334;mircea_popescu;lol poor bot
1143197;1432267334;mircea_popescu;i gues next bot is gangbot
1143198;1432267334;BingoBoingo;motorcycle gangbot?
1143199;1432267334;Hasimir;oh, you didn't ...
1143200;1432267334;mircea_popescu;o check me out, i have the day's first line in log. yay.
1143201;1432267334;Hasimir;anyway, no doubt you can giggle at the content of the paste and at least the first submission is included for future reference
1143202;1432267360;Hasimir;does anyone remember which LEA he was with?
1143203;1432267388;mircea_popescu;http://sixdemonbag.org/yomu.html << the sad story about how some schmuck got scammed by the schmuck he was doing drm for.
1143204;1432267448;trinque;Hasimir: try that again
1143205;1432267448;Hasimir;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt
1143206;1432267508;mircea_popescu;somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.
1143207;1432267508;trinque;Hasimir: weird, your last one went in
1143208;1432267508;Hasimir;go figure
1143209;1432267508;Hasimir;maybe it just hates me
1143210;1432267508;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt
1143211;1432267568;trinque;nope, encoding blowup
1143212;1432267568;Hasimir;it doesn't like utf-8?
1143213;1432267568;Hasimir;or something else?
1143214;1432267568;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/f39a00565b6bc90bc830a013627759d7/tumblr_mvn1sbt4hi1s1mfkzo1_400.gif
1143215;1432267628;cazalla;Hasimir, is the enrollment actually mandatory? i know of people that never enrolled so they never actually had to vote or become religious on the day of it
1143216;1432267628;trinque;Hasimir: python needs its tits kicked in regards to eating a u2026
1143217;1432267628;Vexual;;;ud tits kicked in
1143218;1432267628;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scorp+Tits | "We were all having a good time at the lake until ole fatass Tungette's Scorp Tits kicked in again. Damn I thought Jeff was gonna try and find a blowtorch to burn ...
1143219;1432267628;Hasimir;trinque, python 3 ftw!
1143220;1432267649;trinque;eh, incrementally better
1143221;1432267649;scoopbot_revived;Social Engineering Attack Takes Bitcoin Talk Offline http://qntra.net/2015/05/social-engineering-attack-takes-bitcoin-talk-offline/
1143222;1432267658;mircea_popescu;lolwut ?
1143223;1432267662;Hasimir;cazalla, it's supposed to be, but if you avoid it then there's nothing they can do
1143224;1432267695;Hasimir;trinque, it does handle utf-8 much better then 2 ever could
1143225;1432267730;Hasimir;but if you're sticking with 2.7, use: from __future__ import unicode_literals
1143226;1432267746;decimation;why bother with unicode at all?
1143227;1432267765;mircea_popescu;^
1143228;1432267784;trinque;Hasimir: yup, it's exploding deep within python gnupg though.
1143229;1432267785;Hasimir;decimation, I like to print people's names correctly, to do otherwise when it is possible is just unnecessarily rude
1143230;1432267821;mircea_popescu;they should be thankful the names don't get translated!
1143231;1432267837;decimation;do you realize what kind of black hole python is being forced into ... to be polite?
1143232;1432267853;mircea_popescu;ye hear that, phteven ?
1143233;1432267879;decimation;and if someone has a name that can't be romanized?  fuck'em - they can romanize or have no identity
1143234;1432267887;Hasimir;decimation, I prefer to view it as a new (event) horizon
1143235;1432267940;mircea_popescu;a new what ?
1143236;1432267955;BingoBoingo;So watching 'Mean Girls' (2004) seems asciilifeform likes authentic Maoism in his films
1143237;1432267966;mircea_popescu;decimation we're not enforcing that policy re irc handles tho
1143238;1432267975;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143160 << l0l, not even sure what counts as the most recent
1143239;1432267975;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 03:47:14; mircea_popescu: they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema.
1143240;1432267987;decimation;are we using utf or extended ascii
1143241;1432267987;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform :)
1143242;1432268010;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo after mean girls see http://trilema.com/2012/mean-streets/
1143243;1432268072;mircea_popescu;should be an interesting study in contrasts.
1143244;1432268072;mircea_popescu;(pretty much exactly same story, separated by two decades and a gender gap_
1143245;1432268072;mircea_popescu;decimation i dunno anyone gave a shit, just, whatever freenode takes.
1143246;1432268072;decimation;irc handles aren't an identity, gpg keys are
1143247;1432268091;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143206 << i bet he just wanted to eat, pay rent.
1143248;1432268091;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 04:05:08; mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.
1143249;1432268093;mircea_popescu;so your deedbot is going to break over someone citing a nick ?
1143250;1432268119;mircea_popescu;"I walked out of the back office in a state of absolute shock. I�d just become a twenty�first century sharecropper. I couldn�t find outside work without winding up homeless � and I couldn�t leave the state because three bucks of gas money won�t get you past Walnut Creek � and I couldn�t get paid because there was no money to pay anyone with."
1143251;1432268121;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^
1143252;1432268133;mircea_popescu;drm.
1143253;1432268146;Vexual;nrm
1143254;1432268149;trinque;mircea_popescu: over non-latin1 characters, for now
1143255;1432268155;trinque;though that's something I'll fix.
1143256;1432268172;trinque;will involve dropping a dependency and writing something in its place
1143257;1432268184;mircea_popescu;what you mean by deep in gpg py bowels ? is it exploitable even ?
1143258;1432268207;mircea_popescu;looks like he gave you your weekend's entertainment
1143259;1432268272;trinque;nah, the python thing diddling gpg is just trying to
1143260;1432268275;trinque;whoops
1143261;1432268276;decimation;just turn 8-bit ascii characters into tildes
1143262;1432268291;trinque;trying to encode some bits as latin1, and there are characters in this outside that set
1143263;1432268294;*;asciilifeform recalls mr mold's attempt at squaring zooko's tri. - speakable keys
1143264;1432268296;trinque;so it barfs
1143265;1432268304;decimation;does deedbot need to be 8-bit clean?
1143266;1432268306;*;asciilifeform recalls own implementation of it, http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ
1143267;1432268366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55363 @ 0.00028614 = 15.8416 BTC [+]
1143268;1432268366;trinque;decimation: I don't see why it can't handle utf8; the sqlite db it munches on is
1143269;1432268366;trinque;just a python annoyance
1143270;1432268366;mircea_popescu;decimation tilde wont sign
1143271;1432268366;Hasimir;trinque, oh, is this the python-gnupg gpg.encoding thing?
1143272;1432268366;decimation;eh, it's you code, do what you will.
1143273;1432268366;Hasimir;yeah, setting that to latin-1 just works with everything ...
1143274;1432268372;trinque;Hasimir: yeah
1143275;1432268375;Hasimir;well, mostly
1143276;1432268394;Hasimir;I think I might've submitted the bug report on that one ...
1143277;1432268398;trinque;heh!
1143278;1432268402;trinque;found the mention of it in the docs
1143279;1432268405;trinque;is there a workaround?
1143280;1432268410;decimation;yeah, 7 bit ascii
1143281;1432268412;trinque;ah I see how you can set it
1143282;1432268414;Hasimir;that is the work around
1143283;1432268421;trinque;decimation: I'm fine with requiring ascii too; what's the argument behind that?
1143284;1432268435;decimation;I don't trust 8-bit character handling code
1143285;1432268449;trinque;ah, well at least with this thing the output's able to be checked, neh?
1143286;1432268468;Hasimir;that's one of the reasons I started looking at pyme ...
1143287;1432268471;trinque;if there are messages out there that are interesting to deedbot in other encodings, they'd otherwise be excluded
1143288;1432268497;Hasimir;well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys
1143289;1432268504;Vexual;!up thestringpuller
1143290;1432268510;Vexual;really?
1143291;1432268519;Hasimir;yep
1143292;1432268524;Vexual;no shit
1143293;1432268532;Hasimir;it's in one of the bitbucket t=issues
1143294;1432268547;Hasimir;*issues
1143295;1432268550;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0FG4ZMK.txt
1143296;1432268610;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1143297;1432268610;Hasimir;yay
1143298;1432268610;trinque;Hasimir: thanks!
1143299;1432268610;Hasimir;np
1143300;1432268610;Hasimir;I believe that falls into the category of enlightened self-interest  ;)
1143301;1432268610;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1143302;1432269098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6735 @ 0.0002827 = 1.904 BTC [-]
1143303;1432269262;BingoBoingo;"Everyone in Africa can read Swedish"
1143304;1432270101;BingoBoingo;OMG the CRT iMAcs in this film
1143305;1432270138;danielpbarron;i have 2 of those
1143306;1432270250;asciilifeform;wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs'
1143307;1432270252;asciilifeform;emac
1143308;1432270254;asciilifeform;l0l
1143309;1432270264;asciilifeform;that 's' just came out for no reason
1143310;1432270279;asciilifeform;point being, i have always wanted to see an 'm-mac'
1143311;1432270284;asciilifeform;that is - mechanical.
1143312;1432270298;asciilifeform;('e' in 'emac' clearly is 'electric')
1143313;1432270925;asciilifeform;!up Vexual
1143314;1432271102;Vexual;seven spanish angles. a rap verse. vexual
1143315;1432271110;Vexual;notrlly
1143316;1432271239;Vexual;bb is right tho, where swedish is the swhahili of western europe
1143317;1432271323;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style.
1143318;1432271323;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
1143319;1432271333;asciilifeform;because, well, they could.
1143320;1432271352;Vexual;maryland kinda close to dc no?
1143321;1432271358;asciilifeform;that'd be why.
1143322;1432271463;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143071 << now curious, which 'this'
1143323;1432271463;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 03:10:09; mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow
1143324;1432271474;asciilifeform;because there are several 'this'es
1143325;1432271538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00029161 = 12.0435 BTC [+] {2} 
1143326;1432271554;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143076 << obligatory mega-classic >> http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021
1143327;1432271554;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 03:11:31; BingoBoingo: I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru
1143328;1432271944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we were idly discussing the "what could have causes weak keys", i pointed out that so far it could be a lotta things
1143329;1432271978;mircea_popescu;all the way up to an afore-unknown property of the mathematical structures involved.
1143330;1432272139;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs' << Generally eMac was previous year's "iMac"
1143331;1432272173;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143033 << iirc there was similar thing in maryland. the state gov. simply pissed on the court, andrewjackson-style. << Court Pissed all over Chicago on this matter
1143332;1432272173;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
1143333;1432272202;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CgQITcfJd0
1143334;1432272543;BingoBoingo;Surprisingly educational film, do reccomend
1143335;1432272838;BingoBoingo;OMG asciilifeform Regina George is 8 years older than Cady!!!
1143336;1432272840;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, I was looking in gpg's import source code for an unrelated thing and noticed something, it won't give you the answer, but it might help narrow the search - read through the code and code comments in g10/import.c of the current master repo, it goes through the specific key error types and subkey fragment types that gpg won't import (which also happens to be most of the keys on The List)
1143337;1432273066;*;BingoBoingo finally giving Missouri wine a chance tonight. WOrks for endrunkening
1143338;1432273087;Hasimir;also, see if you can test this key ID: 0xCC61ADFF159B44ED  (another one missing a UID, but in this case it was made in '94, by a certain expat aussie residing in an Ecuadorian embassy in London ...)
1143339;1432273143;Hasimir;the other way to find that one, even without the uid is with his old email address: proff@suburbia.apana.org.au
1143340;1432273216;cazalla;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3091370/Recent-Berkeley-grad-waited-parking-lot-gun-manager-N-forced-work-fast-food-couldn-t-job-degree.html
1143341;1432273688;BingoBoingo;WTF is wrong with pissing in the freezer and then quitting
1143342;1432274361;Hasimir;BingoBoingo, if it's too far below zero it might freeze inside your urethra ... breaking the ice would not be a good thing then
1143343;1432274432;BingoBoingo;Hasimir: As much as I drink, not sure my piss would freeze at zero
1143344;1432274616;BingoBoingo;!up Landgull
1143345;1432274712;mircea_popescu;Hasimir minus the fact that it imports unsigned keys (badly signed it rejects, but unsigned at all seem an exception ?), gpg generally doesn't import the diddled exponent keys yeah
1143346;1432274768;Hasimir;and it usually gives different errors for those it rejects, which you can match to specific symptoms in the code
1143347;1432274805;mircea_popescu;much more interesting would be an assay of the various windows and perhaps mac implementations
1143348;1432274816;mircea_popescu;as very few here actually have either.
1143349;1432274824;Hasimir;I've got os x
1143350;1432274844;Hasimir;and I'm running 1.4.19 and 2.1.4
1143351;1432274869;Hasimir;though 1.4.19 has been adjusted to generate large keys
1143352;1432274890;mircea_popescu;yeah thinking more of 1.4.x
1143353;1432274893;mircea_popescu;single digit
1143354;1432274913;mircea_popescu;these keys come from 2009 at earliest iirc
1143355;1432274916;Hasimir;I can always recompile an older version ...
1143356;1432275034;mircea_popescu;even just reading the code is worthwhile.
1143357;1432275092;Hasimir;ah-ha!  finally!
1143358;1432275109;Hasimir;now 2.1.4 is modded to make stupidly large keys too ...
1143359;1432275272;*;BingoBoingo threw in a bunch of fucking 1990's 512 an 76X keys...
1143360;1432275397;BingoBoingo;Apparently ye olde keys perfectly factorable in a targeted manner... stronger than turd keys
1143361;1432275446;Hasimir;v2 keys are pretty simple, though
1143362;1432275469;BingoBoingo;v2 is beneath justifying effort
1143363;1432275476;Hasimir;and 512-bit, are you surprised?
1143364;1432275515;BingoBoingo;Hasimir: No, I am surprised all of this other shit is getting Fucktored 1stest
1143365;1432275529;Hasimir;heh, fair point
1143366;1432275549;Hasimir;though chances are No Such Agency have already broken the old ones out of habit
1143367;1432275560;mircea_popescu;lmao
1143368;1432275566;BingoBoingo;Almost inevitabru
1143369;1432275569;Hasimir;no doubt they've also trawled archives of alt.anon.messages
1143370;1432276847;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, Marvel did somewhat not stupid depiction of tactical nukes in a Disney movie
1143371;1432277250;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1143372;1432277268;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. << I see no reason that this must be the case, but yes, fiat-land tends to breed engineers who are terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also tends to make idiot managers. IMHO much of this is because of all the inane nonsense involved in runnin
1143373;1432277269;gabriel_laddel;g a business. EG: from what I can tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins that you can spend at select hotels or trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense to fill the lives of shmucks whose time isn't worth anything and aspi
1143374;1432277269;gabriel_laddel;re to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever that means, idk).
1143375;1432277275;gabriel_laddel;ty BingoBoingo
1143376;1432277276;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol
1143377;1432277279;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: I am sorry, you are doomed to suffer hetrogyny
1143378;1432277289;mircea_popescu;"tin women"
1143379;1432277324;gabriel_laddel;^ yep.
1143380;1432277331;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard that their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all the brains and lisp machines they could possibly want. Related to the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been told they bought a firetruck to play with (wtf,
1143381;1432277331;gabriel_laddel;why?).
1143382;1432277336;*;BingoBoingo is horribru with money x-cept when I am awesome
1143383;1432277348;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you may at best go work for the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching.
1143384;1432277352;gabriel_laddel;trinque: after he beats the word "waste" into your skull << ?
1143385;1432277358;gabriel_laddel;trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it.
1143386;1432277365;gabriel_laddel;trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol
1143387;1432277376;gabriel_laddel;ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. << ...
1143388;1432277384;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do. << ftr, I see this as progress. Knowing macrofab exists and having a working relationship is useful.
1143389;1432277384;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?
1143390;1432277392;gabriel_laddel;*: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en  + asciilifeform: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he t
1143391;1432277393;gabriel_laddel;hinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
1143392;1432277398;BingoBoingo;BESERKER!!!
1143393;1432277398;gabriel_laddel;^ It appears that I should properly make the business case. If the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you try to enable the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of the systems, `build' builds, `test' tests
1143394;1432277398;gabriel_laddel;etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour trying to figure out what the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's time worth? My point is not that Masamune wi
1143395;1432277399;gabriel_laddel;ll solve these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/ that the notion there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd.
1143396;1432277404;gabriel_laddel;I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from this, various products I'd like to make and sell: a CL only I
1143397;1432277404;gabriel_laddel;DE (with all the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in
1143398;1432277404;gabriel_laddel; real time, a plug-and-play solution for doing research for chemists, physicists and mathematicians. Some people are asking the right questions (http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/27246/in-which-country-is-it-allowed-to-practice-non-clandestine-amateur-chemistry, http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/18791/why-isnt-organic-chemistr
1143399;1432277464;gabriel_laddel;y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering to their needs. System76 exists, they sell linux computers but their machines suck because they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly, the marketing for all these companies sucks and I don't think it'll be terribly difficult to do far better.
1143400;1432277464;gabriel_laddel;To those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs that" I will note that we *know* the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on top of OpenGL. They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want to win wars, but I'm willing to bet that someone on Earth does. One easy way to free up eng
1143401;1432277464;gabriel_laddel;ineers is to remove idiotic nonsense (OpenGL, Gentoo, Portage) from their lives. If you think OpenGL isn't a huge time sink, think again: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-5-2
1143402;1432277524;mircea_popescu;omg wall fo text man
1143403;1432277524;BingoBoingo;*nix simply doesn't cost
1143404;1432277524;mircea_popescu;you gotta blog.
1143405;1432277524;gabriel_laddel;I've got a blog
1143406;1432277524;BingoBoingo;A/UX, Solaris 8, AIX, *BSD, no cost dude
1143407;1432277524;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo:  try reading the message pl0x
1143408;1432277524;BingoBoingo;Will get to, drinking Missery wine
1143409;1432277535;*;BingoBoingo dunno how you pronounce that state
1143410;1432277548;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel portage already exists. not only would i not pay for it, i'd pay to have whoever packages gentoo atm whipped.
1143411;1432277566;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: portage doesn't work
1143412;1432277573;gabriel_laddel;sure, it exists
1143413;1432277663;mircea_popescu;mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell for more $$$.
1143414;1432277688;mircea_popescu;the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.
1143415;1432277701;gabriel_laddel;holy fucking god almighty
1143416;1432277733;gabriel_laddel;"I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money..."
1143417;1432277763;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i was replying to " you wouldn't shell over $100 for it?" strictly.
1143418;1432277780;mircea_popescu;i don't believe that's the only approach, nor did i think it actually was yours, before encountering that line.
1143419;1432277844;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: okay
1143420;1432277890;gabriel_laddel;people buy industrial chemicals, do they not?
1143421;1432277907;gabriel_laddel;how is buying an actually working package manager any different?
1143422;1432277943;gabriel_laddel;"I need to do my job, can't reasonably do it without XYZ, so I'll buy it"
1143423;1432277968;mircea_popescu;as discussed in my example.
1143424;1432277981;mircea_popescu;people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"
1143425;1432277989;mircea_popescu;if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.
1143426;1432278137;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Reagents have mass... *nix lax mass
1143427;1432278166;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: so does sublime text, and yet people fork over $70USD for it
1143428;1432278172;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ironically, if it's any good it does lack it. if it actually sells then it has it, which is what windows is, basically.
1143429;1432278184;mircea_popescu;;;google sublime text
1143430;1432278185;gribble;Sublime Text: The text editor you'll fall in love with: <http://www.sublimetext.com/>; Sublime Text - Download: <http://www.sublimetext.com/2>; Sublime Text 3: <http://www.sublimetext.com/3>
1143431;1432278192;mircea_popescu;...
1143432;1432278193;gabriel_laddel;It's moronic fyi
1143433;1432278207;mircea_popescu;this would be in the category of ipad jackpot simulators i guess.
1143434;1432278208;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But the mass Windows sell for is its scleroisis
1143435;1432278213;mircea_popescu;ayup
1143436;1432278248;BingoBoingo;Seriously A/UX, Solaris 8/9, FreeBSD(ANY) all massless and free
1143437;1432278316;gabriel_laddel;people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" << see hyperchem lite
1143438;1432278338;gabriel_laddel;also, people buy chemistry classes
1143439;1432278358;mircea_popescu;yes, they buy classes, and no hyperchem lite is not Chemistry.
1143440;1432278375;mircea_popescu;but if your thing needs classes you conceivably failed by your own criteria.
1143441;1432278393;BingoBoingo;H2F, H2S04, and Urushiol are all very different very dangerous problems
1143442;1432278459;gabriel_laddel;I don't understand your argument here - you're saying that no one would pay for a working portage because people don't buy "chemistry"?
1143443;1432278501;mircea_popescu;among other things, i am saying that people only move to america if it's free. if it's not free they stay home.
1143444;1432278515;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Nah, because people do pay for chemistry. Just the paid parts f chemistry have no portage analogues
1143445;1432278530;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1143446;1432278577;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Hrm. Interesting argument.
1143447;1432278608;mircea_popescu;not saying that money can't be made out of america, obviously.
1143448;1432278617;BingoBoingo;So, local missouri/illinois wines... not so bad if they are white
1143449;1432278624;gabriel_laddel;one just has to be selling shovels and pickaxes
1143450;1432278626;mircea_popescu;but, essentially, hard to guess by whom.
1143451;1432278643;mircea_popescu;the first railroad company didn't make money, tho railroad was a money maker eventually.
1143452;1432278651;mircea_popescu;symbolics died. the original apple died.
1143453;1432278681;mircea_popescu;the spanish invented the new world mostly to make the dutch (and their later english colony) richer for it. etc.
1143454;1432278681;gabriel_laddel;well that's the game isn't it?
1143455;1432278687;BingoBoingo;Punch trees, get wood
1143456;1432278699;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel that is a game for much older and richer folk than you, to create a new world.
1143457;1432278711;mircea_popescu;which is exactly the full blown version of my original doubts.
1143458;1432278806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23494 @ 0.000286 = 6.7193 BTC [-] {2} 
1143459;1432278928;BingoBoingo;So, Illinois moscato... WOuld make great salad dressing
1143460;1432278989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136594 @ 0.00029002 = 39.615 BTC [+] {4} 
1143461;1432279015;mircea_popescu;http://www.gca.org/ wouldja look at that!
1143462;1432279075;cazalla;BingoBoingo drinking wine? never!
1143463;1432279075;mircea_popescu;and at some point not so long ago this was supposedly a big fucking deal.
1143464;1432279075;mircea_popescu;now that they buried the world under their xml crapolade, they can just go away. nobody's going to go "hey, the shit sucked!111" NOW.
1143465;1432279075;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Purging all the local shit from the premises
1143466;1432279075;mircea_popescu;and back then it was all "nowai it rocks!111 time will show!!1"
1143467;1432279223;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1143468;1432279506;BingoBoingo;!up williamdunne
1143469;1432279543;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for
1143470;1432280080;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.joereiss.net/geek/geek.html
1143471;1432280236;BingoBoingo;Vexual: I'll be your mision to the end of the line
1143472;1432280410;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1143473;1432280647;BingoBoingo;There is nothing more whorifying than 'Murica
1143474;1432280797;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Present teen movie in binge is "bring it on"
1143475;1432280908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021&pg=7 << kudos for sf that while outrageous, is at least entertainingly non-retarded.
1143476;1432281077;BingoBoingo;Any volunteer who can put the mass in ass???
1143477;1432281471;BingoBoingo;OMG asciilifeform has me watching all the teen movies
1143478;1432281833;BingoBoingo;Ah asciilifeform films, Missy is the poo so take a big wiff
1143479;1432281967;BingoBoingo;!up goregrind
1143480;1432282047;Vexual;wht mission?
1143481;1432282064;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPk5IUbdH0
1143482;1432282213;Vexual;if you're tlking about the kid on the honda, he hit the redline eraly
1143483;1432282277;BingoBoingo;Eliza Dushku, the Jews, and the hard problems
1143484;1432282722;mircea_popescu;;;later tell asciilifeform here's a thought : we had 15 broken keys when phuctor had seen 159k keys ; and we have 19 now, it's just a shade under 200k. curious if the 1 in 10k thing keeps throughout the 4mn
1143485;1432282724;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1143486;1432282897;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "bring it on" not bad ascii knows his subject and its tropes
1143487;1432283830;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual We throw people in the air and...
1143488;1432283840;BingoBoingo;Fat people don't go as high
1143489;1432284021;cazalla;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/05/teen-pleads-guilty-to-23-charges-of-swatting-harassing-online-game-rivals/
1143490;1432284081;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Eliza Dushku is a teen, that storie concerns a nigger
1143491;1432284569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00028425 = 5.9124 BTC [-]
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1143498;1432285046;Vexual;whilliamdune rate seems like an effect sunter
1143499;1432285106;davout;^does not compute
1143500;1432285115;Vexual;i forgot to put ive
1143501;1432285139;davout;!rate williamdunne 2 met this gentleman IRL
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1143510;1432285224;fluffypony;!rated davout
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1143512;1432285260;fluffypony;!rate davout 3 Has soft, golden locks of hair and a bike. I know this because I've met him irl. 10/10 for style
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1143514;1432285275;davout;:3
1143515;1432285277;Vexual;such meat
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1143517;1432285282;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for davout from 1 to 3 with note: Has soft, golden locks of hair and a bike. I know this because I've met him irl. 10/10 for style
1143518;1432286593;BingoBoingo;Jungle love OEOEOH
1143519;1432286635;BingoBoingo;otherfucker and the Time!!!!
1143520;1432286640;BingoBoingo;Oe Oe Oh
1143521;1432286881;cazalla;that wine must be nice
1143522;1432286958;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Jungle lovw
1143523;1432287009;cazalla;not so sure i'm a fan (not that we have any black women down under)
1143524;1432287024;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Dun you got dem abbos
1143525;1432287042;cazalla;not many around and even fewer full bloods
1143526;1432287051;cazalla;most of em are 1/8 abo at this point
1143527;1432287062;BingoBoingo;Massah if you got dem abbos you can get werk dun
1143528;1432287089;BingoBoingo;OEOEOh Jungle love
1143529;1432287115;cazalla;pink pussy contrasted with the black skin doesn't really do it for me either
1143530;1432287123;cazalla;not that i'd pass up the opportunity to try
1143531;1432287145;BingoBoingo;I dun see why not. Black girls got the best smell on their pinks.
1143532;1432287168;cazalla;i'll have to take your word for it at this point
1143533;1432287184;cazalla;i think i've met.. 3 african women down under
1143534;1432287191;cazalla;all 3 were hambeasts no less
1143535;1432287206;BingoBoingo;Australasia sucks
1143536;1432287241;cazalla;it can.. on the plus side, it's far the fuck away from the rest of hte world and their shit
1143537;1432287292;BingoBoingo;I CHALLENGE THE WELTERWeight NIGGER OF THE WORLD FLOYD MAYWEAther for a bit of freindly sparring
1143538;1432287490;cazalla;lol buttfinex
1143539;1432287560;BingoBoingo;As posessor of a GPG signature in L2 of Assbot's web of trust...I challenge anyone in my L3 trust to contest my in face punching for the real world welterweight championship of face punching
1143540;1432287590;BingoBoingo;^ ;;later tell gabriel_ladell That is how you break a cartell
1143541;1432287670;cazalla;http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/
1143542;1432287730;scoopbot_revived;Bitfinex Hot Wallet Possibly Compromised http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/
1143543;1432287730;BingoBoingo;cazalla: ++
1143544;1432287774;*;BingoBoingo hates
1143545;1432287804;cazalla;that wine?
1143546;1432287827;cazalla;must be some strong shit
1143547;1432288025;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I started with normall cheapo vodka. Watched an alf movie and drank missouri wine over "Mean Girls". Was in a mood drank Illinois white over "Bring it on"
1143548;1432288131;*;BingoBoingo not disappoint because Eliza Dushku makes Pete Dushenski countable people
1143549;1432288132;cazalla;can't say i've seen mean girls before
1143550;1432288146;BingoBoingo;I've only seen it tonight
1143551;1432288156;BingoBoingo;Bitches were mean
1143552;1432288190;cazalla;i think the last all girl movie i watched was something like the craft
1143553;1432288445;cazalla;buttfinex supposedly got ganked for 500 btc
1143554;1432289198;kakobrekla;details?
1143555;1432289362;cazalla;none yet really, just a notice on their site https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/announcements/?id=35
1143556;1432289689;kakobrekla;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u6bx3/barclays_charged_me_15_for_a_transfer_from_uk_to/
1143557;1432289749;kakobrekla;lol buttfuckex
1143558;1432289769;kakobrekla;btw i dunno how i got that 1 year reddit in my ircs
1143559;1432289834;davout;"buttfuckex" <<< kekobrekla
1143560;1432289975;kakobrekla;also, you weirdos, if anyone has a 'usaf 596' tube laying around per chance, wtb.
1143561;1432290516;jurov;mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that
1143562;1432290526;jurov;:)
1143563;1432292069;williamdunne;Ey? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143469
1143564;1432292069;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 07:25:43; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for
1143565;1432293043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00028751 = 18.8607 BTC [+] {2} 
1143566;1432296093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11035 @ 0.00028425 = 3.1367 BTC [-]
1143567;1432296642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53043 @ 0.00028097 = 14.9035 BTC [-]
1143568;1432297093;jurov;the day of reckoning...buttfinex haxed, trolltalk haxed
1143569;1432298350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7000 @ 0.00043275 = 3.0293 BTC [-]
1143570;1432298655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00028023 = 18.3551 BTC [-] {2} 
1143571;1432299626;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1142882 lol looks like hydrothermal fire reactor
1143572;1432299626;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 02:31:08; mod6: it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer
1143573;1432300363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73916 @ 0.00027815 = 20.5597 BTC [-]
1143574;1432301845;Naphex;so.. bitfinex hacked. just as they switched to AlphaPoint and Microsoft servers
1143575;1432301848;Naphex;how sweet
1143576;1432301850;Naphex;who would've tought
1143577;1432301861;davout;Naphex: "microsoft servers" <<< ???
1143578;1432301870;Apocalyptic;Naphex, that would be hilarious
1143579;1432301910;Naphex;davout: didn't they switch to AlphaPoint Trading Engine?
1143580;1432301922;Naphex;davout: as far as I know its written in c# and runs on wind0s
1143581;1432301925;Adlai;... which is a giant blob of .net
1143582;1432301927;Adlai;yes
1143583;1432301936;Adlai;https://alphapoint.com/jobs_se.html
1143584;1432301996;Adlai;"We are looking for an individual who can take a leadership role in architecting and developing our core C# platform."
1143585;1432302019;davout;http://new2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/5532541+_e3c969d7a379937835aaef6c95110b8f.jpg
1143586;1432302079;Adlai;in their defense, they request "Strong capabilities in: C#, .NET; Xamarin, Mono" so maybe they run production trading engines on emulators
1143587;1432302079;Naphex;Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P
1143588;1432302105;*;Adlai is glad that he no longer runs scalpl on buttfixen
1143589;1432302144;Adlai;twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account
1143590;1432302203;Adlai;the decreasing returns were not worth the increasing derpage
1143591;1432302793;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143288 yep i ran into it, too. and it also got incompatibly forked, without proper renaming, which "improved" the situation markedly
1143592;1432302793;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 04:21:37; Hasimir: well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys
1143593;1432303676;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that << no worries :]
1143594;1432303721;mod6;<+kakobrekla> lol buttfuckex << haha
1143595;1432303748;jurov;yo mod6. so either you'll work with the /srv/mailman/.../turds.sqlite directly or supply me at least partial list
1143596;1432303829;jurov;what went into -RELEASE
1143597;1432303848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74950 @ 0.00028215 = 21.1471 BTC [+]
1143598;1432303877;mod6;Ok, I can certainly manage coming up with a list of everything that went into -RELEASE.  And probably a handfull of others that didn't.
1143599;1432303903;mod6;for instance, 'auto' is in there a bunch of times, but only one version obv. made it in.
1143600;1432303910;jurov;well, you can post it right to the list
1143601;1432303947;mod6;Anyway, np.  I'll work on it.
1143602;1432304028;mod6;so with "based on" ... am i undstanding that correctly that column is a link (pointer) to it's previous version?
1143603;1432304042;mike_c;"Excitement!!! Excellence! Launching ahead to better humanity! Ethereum!!! Congratulations!
1143604;1432304042;mike_c;EXCITING :-)"  speaking of cults..
1143605;1432304055;mod6;AMAZING
1143606;1432304055;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1143607;1432304071;jurov;mod6 i was thinking just a version name for both columns
1143608;1432304114;jurov;links can be generated but imo they are not needed
1143609;1432304157;mod6;ok.
1143610;1432304186;jurov;do we have a link for '0.5.3-chicken' anyway?
1143611;1432304197;jurov;that's what most of the patches would be based on
1143612;1432304246;mod6;yeah, the url is: http://thebitcoin.foundation/chicken.tar.gz
1143613;1432304306;jurov;heh ok
1143614;1432304307;jurov;or to the lxr source browser
1143615;1432304510;mod6;oh, now... no we don't have a link to that thing.  what is it anyway, i can't recall.
1143616;1432304534;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/source/
1143617;1432304594;jurov;lol the phoundation released 5 versions (incl. rc) since feb?
1143618;1432304607;jurov;inb4 next major version "Bitcoin Core 10"
1143619;1432304608;mod6;nothing seems to come up at that link?
1143620;1432304627;jurov;it should redirect to http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/
1143621;1432304687;mod6;5 versions? lol
1143622;1432304687;mod6;oh maybe i didn't wait long enough re redirect
1143623;1432304687;jurov;you can use the latter link
1143624;1432304687;jurov;should be always our newest release
1143625;1432304692;mod6;heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.
1143626;1432304748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00028754 = 7.8642 BTC [+] {2} 
1143627;1432304773;mod6;ok cool. i'll add a link up there in just a bit.
1143628;1432304794;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu thing is still largely loading moduli missed (due to db locking idiocy) the first time around.
1143629;1432304794;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1143630;1432304849;mod6;think i'll just add a "links" section
1143631;1432304897;mod6;asciilifeform: haha, yeha, mine is now queued with 5419 in front of it. haha, oh well. :]
1143632;1432304902;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu aaaand somehow '19' turned into '18' !?! (i do have a db backup, so if this is enemy action they can go fuck themselves.)
1143633;1432304902;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1143634;1432304960;asciilifeform;incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup'
1143635;1432304980;asciilifeform;and the pressure on sks server keepers to start removing things will be turned on, yes.
1143636;1432305034;mod6;jurov: ok added link to that under "Links".  That ok with you?
1143637;1432305045;jurov;yes
1143638;1432305093;asciilifeform;aaaactually my understanding is that one of the 19 got requeued, which 'un-broke' it. say hello to our first annoying bug.
1143639;1432305111;asciilifeform;(which will not be an issue once werker runs continuously)
1143640;1432305165;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/602BCEE3339AE47E388CA9A5472A563CFB8F73F66CCB3E69553B41BF6261ACBE << it was, of course, anvin's
1143641;1432305225;jurov;you haven't used the hyperadvanced lisp runtime that can be snapshottet and restarted?
1143642;1432305230;jurov;if they cycle you once in a week
1143643;1432305270;asciilifeform;jurov: the thing has no lisp or anything else interesting in it
1143644;1432305296;jurov;dunno where i got the notion from
1143645;1432305309;asciilifeform;jurov: and i will point out that it is quite impossible to build a guaranteed power-cycle-immune anything on a standard x86 pc, which doesn't even have a powerfail interrupt
1143646;1432305335;jurov;i'm not talking about immunity. only restartability
1143647;1432305347;asciilifeform;(just getting atomic writes (sort-of) on such a box requires disk controller with battery compartment)
1143648;1432305373;asciilifeform;jurov: the submission thing is a hastily-written script.
1143649;1432305382;asciilifeform;(the sks mass-submit, that is)
1143650;1432306129;decimation;asciilifeform: not to mention the nmi
1143651;1432306598;jurov;incidentally, this appeared on hn today: https://www.tindie.com/products/ubldit/truerng-hardware-random-number-generator/
1143652;1432306659;jurov;"Internal Whitening" ftw
1143653;1432306659;asciilifeform;jurov: realize that folks have been selling rng since at least late '70s
1143654;1432306676;asciilifeform;jurov: and yes, they are typically 'best practices' retarded - e.g., 'whitening' etc
1143655;1432306711;decimation;part of the problem is as ascii has identified - you really want every part to be inspectible by the end user
1143656;1432306736;decimation;the only other method I can think that is reasonably acceptable in this way is radiactive decay
1143657;1432306777;asciilifeform;apparently i can discuss my designs all i want without fear of being 'scooped' because 'everybody' thinks i'm entirely batshit.
1143658;1432306822;asciilifeform;no one - certainly not 'hackernews' imbeciles who ship their hardware with winblows drivers because 'consumer has come to expect' - give a flying fuck about auditability, etc.
1143659;1432306861;asciilifeform;in other news,
1143660;1432306863;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#comment-114308
1143661;1432306923;decimation;if someone is interested in the radioactive decay, I would look at herr walker's hotbits > http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/
1143662;1432306983;asciilifeform;decimation: there are some 'gotchas' to using geigers
1143663;1432306983;decimation;asciilifeform: your earlier analogy of the deer kneeling before the hunter is apt
1143664;1432306983;decimation;soon the hunter 'comes to expect'
1143665;1432306983;asciilifeform;for one thing, the material, well... decays. at predictable rate.
1143666;1432306983;decimation;heh yeah.
1143667;1432306983;asciilifeform;for another, the process of geiger tube going off is rf-noisy
1143668;1432306983;decimation;that's true, it is
1143669;1432306983;asciilifeform;tube also wears out very quickly
1143670;1432306983;decimation;that I didn't know
1143671;1432306983;asciilifeform;that is really the main reason i do not use geiger for rng personally
1143672;1432306983;decimation;oh yeah that sucks
1143673;1432306988;asciilifeform;it wears out in the same way as a fluorescent light bulb does
1143674;1432307003;asciilifeform;filament 'sputters' onto the walls
1143675;1432307022;asciilifeform;in the case of geiger tube, the fill gas is also 'poisoned' by said process, iirc
1143676;1432307044;decimation;yeah that makes sense
1143677;1432307055;asciilifeform;phun phakt: virtually no one is still making geiger tubes commercially
1143678;1432307059;decimation;tubes just don't do well with gaseous filling
1143679;1432307073;decimation;no my understanding is that folks are 'recycling' old soviet tubes mainly
1143680;1432307074;asciilifeform;almost entire world is relying on the - finite and mostly russian - cold war supplies
1143681;1432307076;asciilifeform;aha
1143682;1432307090;decimation;which probably have some variation themselves
1143683;1432307101;asciilifeform;geiger tubes are no more difficult to make than light bulbs, but someone has to -do- it
1143684;1432307112;Apocalyptic;"Similarly, the modulus of Peter Anvin's key is also divisible by 19 and 7704959, in addition to 3, 7 and 11 as" // I have found these two additional primes as well, and only those 2
1143685;1432307126;decimation;yeah I suspect that most nuclear facilities have golden toilet budgets for fancier stuff
1143686;1432307128;asciilifeform;(incidentally, strong's 'experimental physics' (see logs) describes how to make one)
1143687;1432307167;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: care to comment on the 'is transformation same as picking random N for modulus' thing ?
1143688;1432307174;Apocalyptic;"2) The public exponent is changed to 281479271743489" for which key ?
1143689;1432307213;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: all of the ones discussed thus far.
1143690;1432307228;asciilifeform;why - remains unknown
1143691;1432307235;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, If I get some time I will, it requires a more carefull analysis that it may seem
1143692;1432307319;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, even the HPA's invalid subkey ? I thought pgpdump showed me e = 65537
1143693;1432307329;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: at present, we have sufficient info to birth these on demand from legit keys. but we do not know the magic trick which yields decryption (it does not necessarily take the shape of a private key! and may not even -exist- for every possible starting legit key)
1143694;1432307345;Apocalyptic;"RSA e(17 bits) - 01 00 01" on the last two Public Subkey Packet
1143695;1432307372;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: you are correct. only applies to -every key in The List-
1143696;1432307377;Apocalyptic;aha
1143697;1432307379;asciilifeform;notice it does not include the faux-anvin
1143698;1432307401;asciilifeform;how that one was made - remains unknown
1143699;1432307980;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, by the way do you have any explanation as to why pgpdump skips the KeyID field on invalid subkeys ?
1143700;1432307998;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: not at present. will probably end up spending some quality time with the sourc
1143701;1432307999;asciilifeform;e
1143702;1432308061;asciilifeform;incidentally, now is a good time to mention the fact that sks also contains a great many keys which were too malformed to even attempt phuctoring
1143703;1432308097;asciilifeform;(and they make pgpdump unhappy, in various ways, yes.)
1143704;1432308225;Apocalyptic;quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour
1143705;1432308231;asciilifeform;aha.
1143706;1432308233;asciilifeform;they sure do.
1143707;1432308284;asciilifeform;i still regard it as not entirely unlikely that the attack is a pure 'dos'
1143708;1432308303;asciilifeform;and that no one attempted to actually derive the corresponding privates
1143709;1432308497;chetty;http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/22/technology/adult-friendfinder-hacked/index.html
1143710;1432308557;asciilifeform;l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?!
1143711;1432308557;asciilifeform;and people -paid- for it?!
1143712;1432308564;asciilifeform;and pwned by no less than weev himself? l0l
1143713;1432308587;asciilifeform;or nm
1143714;1432308886;chetty;someone getting ideas from fetlife :D
1143715;1432309533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00028103 = 11.0304 BTC [-]
1143716;1432313193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62246 @ 0.00028103 = 17.493 BTC [-]
1143717;1432315068;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/1SJBXB5.txt << previous experience lead me to expect `make install` to, well, install all of the relevant things. trinque, asciilifeform: any obvious mistakes or bad thoughts on my part you'd care to rectify?
1143718;1432315138;trinque;ben_vulpes: I bet                     process_rpower_integration(order,
1143719;1432315140;trinque;                                               payment_info
1143720;1432315142;trinque;                                               if method and method.processor == 'rpower'
1143721;1432315144;trinque;                                               else None)
1143722;1432315146;trinque;ah fuck
1143723;1432315148;trinque;hahahaha
1143724;1432315171;trinque;ben_vulpes: I BET LD_LIBRARY_PATH IS WEIRD ON OS X
1143725;1432315177;trinque;ALSO HAVE SOME PYTHON CODE
1143726;1432315292;ben_vulpes;nah this is gentoo
1143727;1432315309;ben_vulpes;thanks for the python bro
1143728;1432315344;trinque;now everybody knows lisp has weirded up the way I do my parenthesis
1143729;1432315395;trinque;ben_vulpes: lemme fix a thing and then I'll see how that compares to my build of dieharder
1143730;1432315446;ben_vulpes;i'm in no rush
1143731;1432315494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22604 @ 0.00027831 = 6.2909 BTC [-]
1143732;1432315688;jurov;ben_vulpes: check if you have /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf
1143733;1432315693;jurov;and run ldconfig
1143734;1432315719;jurov;any time libraries are installed, ldconfig should be ran
1143735;1432315781;ben_vulpes;<jurov> and run ldconfig << that was it
1143736;1432315799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00028474 = 6.733 BTC [+]
1143737;1432315812;ben_vulpes;"use libtool" << so as to speak "just type libtool at the prompt"
1143738;1432315830;ben_vulpes;`curl log.bitcoin-assets.com | sudo sh`
1143739;1432315849;ben_vulpes;WCGW™
1143740;1432315863;ben_vulpes;thanks jurov
1143741;1432315977;jurov;how did you hook up the rng in the end?
1143742;1432316095;jurov;since i have rpi, i'd have just used gpio pin.. you have no hw with gpio?
1143743;1432316586;ben_vulpes;no hw with gpio, but now that you mention rpi mebbe i should try that
1143744;1432316599;ben_vulpes;was going to wire it up to a microphone
1143745;1432316605;ben_vulpes;but now mebbe raspi!
1143746;1432316958;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: microphone probably won't work, it being ac-coupled
1143747;1432316974;asciilifeform;you'd have to use intervals between spikes as the entropy
1143748;1432316991;jurov;yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?
1143749;1432316992;ben_vulpes;i was anticipating some really lame dsp-by-hand
1143750;1432317007;*;asciilifeform will be out in meatspace for weekend, with sporadic connectivity
1143751;1432317133;jurov;https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4715 not very encouraging
1143752;1432317193;jurov;;;seen assbot
1143753;1432317193;gribble;assbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 minutes and 34 seconds ago: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00028474 = 6.733 BTC [+]
1143754;1432317193;jurov;kakobrekla: ^
1143755;1432317199;jurov;or maybe it's just slow, is there some attack?
1143756;1432317927;kakobrekla;!s test
1143757;1432317928;assbot;1302 results for 'test' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=test
1143758;1432317933;kakobrekla;hm?
1143759;1432317953;jurov;it did not fetch the title
1143760;1432317999;kakobrekla;thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers
1143761;1432318254;jurov;hooray for bisp
1143762;1432318405;kakobrekla;that was pre bisp
1143763;1432318415;kakobrekla;log1 server
1143764;1432318467;kakobrekla;anyway someone else can run proxy title parser and ill use that
1143765;1432318480;kakobrekla;shit even i can run it.
1143766;1432318539;jurov;lol
1143767;1432318555;jurov;glad to be helpful
1143768;1432318588;kakobrekla;lesson learned; never talk.
1143769;1432318606;jurov;you can always !down yourself
1143770;1432318670;kakobrekla;cant, still have my lower pair of ribs
1143771;1432318701;jurov;lampelina can !down you then
1143772;1432318722;kakobrekla;only if assbot allows
1143773;1432318746;jurov;quite an arrangement, this
1143774;1432318779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00028573 = 7.2155 BTC [+] {2} 
1143775;1432318789;kakobrekla;ba comes with all sorts of implications
1143776;1432318840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49147 @ 0.00028975 = 14.2403 BTC [+] {2} 
1143777;1432318992;ben_vulpes;weirdos
1143778;1432319095;jurov;!up Kalki
1143779;1432319157;Kalki;Greetings
1143780;1432319167;jurov;Hello, what brings you around?
1143781;1432319188;*;kakobrekla bets on rsa
1143782;1432319191;Kalki;Not much just seeing if anything interesting is being discussed
1143783;1432319225;jurov;yes, check out our logs
1143784;1432319241;Kalki;Pretty newb around these parts but find it quite refreshing as I have been swimming in the shallow btc waters looking for honesty
1143785;1432319293;kakobrekla;!gettrust Kalki
1143786;1432319293;assbot;Kalki is not registered in WoT.
1143787;1432319305;kakobrekla;any honest to be found is there
1143788;1432319331;jurov;!h
1143789;1432319331;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1143790;1432319349;jurov;um.. i wanted the "first steps"
1143791;1432319367;jurov;anyway it's linked from there
1143792;1432319390;kakobrekla;somebody actually fixed that so it does not include gribble anymore
1143793;1432319485;Kalki;Kakobrekla - do you mean get it together with a wot setup? Or what does !gettrust mean?
1143794;1432319510;jurov;yes, set up the wot
1143795;1432319540;Kalki;Yeah been meaning to... Still reading and catching up -
1143796;1432319586;jurov;better sooner than later... before the new account fee rises again
1143797;1432319596;kakobrekla;lol
1143798;1432319597;jurov;jkjk
1143799;1432319638;Kalki;Wait - it's not the same as the fee for mpex is it?
1143800;1432319667;kakobrekla;wot is free
1143801;1432319680;Kalki;Nm I will look later
1143802;1432319685;Kalki;Oh ok
1143803;1432319690;Kalki;Yeah thought so
1143804;1432319711;mircea_popescu;unless gabriel_laddel finds a way to charge for it...
1143805;1432319730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol did a key become unfactored ?
1143806;1432320327;mircea_popescu;by the way, for the putative folk with a rediscovered number theory fondness among the readers : https://primes.utm.edu/notes/conjectures/ is not bad.
1143807;1432320387;mircea_popescu;especially seeing how plenty of the conjectures that are still open problems are around a century old.
1143808;1432321613;ben_vulpes;is gabriel_laddel's business model really that bad?
1143809;1432321632;ben_vulpes;professional services and licenses for the custom ware the software so produced run on?
1143810;1432321635;trinque;ben_vulpes: he's apparently going to help me install his masamune this weekend
1143811;1432321642;ben_vulpes;oooh
1143812;1432321644;ben_vulpes;can i come
1143813;1432321647;trinque;sure
1143814;1432321657;trinque;I found his repo, built it and bitched that it didn't work :D
1143815;1432321668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00029268 = 17.7657 BTC [+] {2} 
1143816;1432321679;trinque;WIP, no shame in that
1143817;1432321704;trinque;and no, I personally don't think anyone will ever pay for such a thing enough to sustain its development
1143818;1432321743;trinque;gotta bolt it to some service he'd provide with the thing that's desirable on its own
1143819;1432321824;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival.
1143820;1432321850;mircea_popescu;the notion that one'll make money from "licenses" in the future... heh. not such a great plan.
1143821;1432321878;trinque;mircea_popescu: I take that as "we'll figure out the business model later" when I hear it
1143822;1432321895;mircea_popescu;he did seem of the "i feel like hacking on this so fu" persuasion.
1143823;1432321901;mircea_popescu;nttawwt, especially at his age
1143824;1432321915;trinque;"people pay for me; I have value"
1143825;1432321920;trinque;ok
1143826;1432321922;trinque;:D
1143827;1432321954;trinque;yeah my mother has no problem with me living on her couch either; doesn't mean I do it
1143828;1432321996;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/#selection-67.314-67.436
1143829;1432322056;mircea_popescu;sadly, in romanian.
1143830;1432322056;trinque;also the selection thing is scrolling to the paragraph involved, but not selecting
1143831;1432322056;mircea_popescu;so much weird in the browsers....
1143832;1432322057;trinque;Chrome 42.0.2311.152 (64-bit) Gentoo
1143833;1432322069;trinque;yup, errata everywhere
1143834;1432322079;mircea_popescu;if any of you ever getting unexpected behaviour feel for some unknown reason a compulsion to debug the whys and wherefores, i would certainly listen
1143835;1432322092;mircea_popescu;but i can't be sending people on this snipe expedition because i am a poorfag.
1143836;1432322157;mircea_popescu;hiring interview "mr X we will need you to debug all the browsers." "that's fine, but i will need all the moneys" "we only have a fraction of the moneys" "then i can debug a fraction of the browsers" "well... that isn't useful is it now."
1143837;1432322237;trinque;heh, I was just mentioning elsewhere that the only right way to write browser JS is in the mode of a schizoid paranoiac, suspecting all but the most basic features of it of trying to steal your precious bodily fluids
1143838;1432322506;trinque;mircea_popescu: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 419 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).
1143839;1432322534;mircea_popescu;o.O
1143840;1432322558;trinque;the line which is 623 on trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/
1143841;1432322570;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/#selection-67.316-67.434 ?
1143842;1432322630;trinque;Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 118 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).
1143843;1432322630;trinque;borken maffs?
1143844;1432322630;mircea_popescu;for chrome only ?!
1143845;1432322646;trinque;that JS does have the human hair, glue and googly eyes look to it
1143846;1432322930;trinque;mircea_popescu: if I call scrollToHash in the console myself, it works
1143847;1432322934;trinque;smells like a race condition
1143848;1432322947;mircea_popescu;weird.
1143849;1432323028;jurov;any such stuff must be done delayed, not immediately
1143850;1432323056;jurov;in onLoad/onDOMReady handler
1143851;1432323069;jurov;(maybe it is i haven't looked)
1143852;1432323139;mircea_popescu;jurov well it is at the end of the page.
1143853;1432323169;jurov;i'd expect such problems still
1143854;1432323247;jurov;one of these "schizoid paranoiac" things i rather always follow
1143855;1432323310;trinque;jurov: he's got a delay in there of 500ms
1143856;1432323346;jurov;ah. just my 2 satoshi
1143857;1432323371;trinque;all this checking for null shit... beatings
1143858;1432323449;trinque;when you JS, you must resist the temptation to think like JS, haha
1143859;1432323472;trinque;no prototype chains, no "new", no nothing
1143860;1432323749;mircea_popescu;nothing is a js thing ?
1143861;1432323792;jurov;different kinds of
1143862;1432324514;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'd use something like this to fire it off https://github.com/dperini/ContentLoaded/blob/master/src/contentloaded.js
1143863;1432324574;trinque;"are your really, really, really ready browser?"
1143864;1432324574;mircea_popescu;obviously i read dperini as derperini
1143865;1432324574;trinque;lol
1143866;1432324582;mircea_popescu;no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul.
1143867;1432324595;trinque;window.onload = initScrollToHash;
1143868;1432324596;trinque;setTimeout(initScrollToHash, 500);
1143869;1432324600;trinque;^ looks like hax trying to deal with it
1143870;1432324615;trinque;he's saying run it at whatever the browser thinks load is, and also 500ms later because reasons
1143871;1432324636;trinque;classic JS programmer tic
1143872;1432324640;mircea_popescu;heh
1143873;1432324655;trinque;and also, it works for me on certain pages, not others
1143874;1432324661;mircea_popescu;win.
1143875;1432324666;trinque;so 500ms is likely not enough... sometimes
1143876;1432324680;mircea_popescu;does it work on same page if reload ?
1143877;1432324685;trinque;mircea_popescu: jquery literally spin-checks to work around this
1143878;1432324706;jurov;a clue: i get delayed errors for avatars in chrome console. maybe it's related
1143879;1432324722;trinque;mircea_popescu: no, does not work on the original page in question
1143880;1432324736;trinque;after refresh
1143881;1432324745;jurov;if it won't work till all avatars load, that would explain why it works on some pages
1143882;1432324770;mircea_popescu;so what, doesn't make dom available until the missing linked images timeout ?
1143883;1432324772;mircea_popescu;that's classy.
1143884;1432324778;jurov;yeah that's sooo derpy
1143885;1432324788;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143542 << aaaannnd here we go.
1143886;1432324788;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 09:42:10; scoopbot_revived: Bitfinex Hot Wallet Possibly Compromised http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/
1143887;1432324800;trinque;ah!
1143888;1432324810;trinque;yeah, looks to be "page with comments == borken"
1143889;1432324850;trinque;that holds after a bit of spot checking
1143890;1432324890;trinque;yup, I thought at first it was "long page", but newp, works fine on long pages long as there aren't comments
1143891;1432324901;mircea_popescu;yeah tis missing avatars.
1143892;1432324904;mircea_popescu;i'm not fixing this.
1143893;1432324928;*;jurov pours himself some wine
1143894;1432324933;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74dJMT75csk
1143895;1432324993;mircea_popescu;jurov better hurry up with that wine, bingo's asleep and cazalla not up yet.
1143896;1432324993;mircea_popescu;b-a is trying to keep one guy drunk at all times, a sort of olympic... flame.
1143897;1432325127;trinque;this browser thing needs a look someday, has to go
1143898;1432325206;jurov;obsolete all browsers!
1143899;1432325215;trinque;n+1 standards!
1143900;1432325217;trinque;haha
1143901;1432325331;trinque;but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done
1143902;1432325332;scoopbot_revived;The Bed Sitting Room http://trilema.com/2015/the-bed-sitting-room/
1143903;1432325367;jurov;trinque: are you aware what was ecmascript inspired by?
1143904;1432325373;trinque;I sure am
1143905;1432325375;trinque;"inspired"
1143906;1432325384;trinque;jurov: eich even said it shoulda been a scheme later
1143907;1432325445;trinque;but forget the whole dom braindamage; that probably would've remained if he had
1143908;1432325508;trinque;just gimme drawing in a rectangle, and let people write higher level widgetry things atop that
1143909;1432325547;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143587 << yeah i dun see how that's in their defense.
1143910;1432325547;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 13:41:19; Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P
1143911;1432325571;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143589 << wait, srsly ?!
1143912;1432325571;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 13:42:24; Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account
1143913;1432325581;Adlai;ya srsly
1143914;1432325622;*;Adlai currently has negative net bitcoin debt
1143915;1432325664;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1143916;1432325690;jurov;bitcoinica forever
1143917;1432325691;mircea_popescu;then "everyone" (of the idiots) is simply copying their "price" and then the world derps abouit how "capitalism creates economic cycles"
1143918;1432325704;mircea_popescu;no dude. capitalism is not involved. stop being a herd of idiots wtf.
1143919;1432325739;mircea_popescu;this is like "decentralization doesn't work becasue we all used the same copy of decentralized software and got ownered"
1143920;1432325741;Adlai;who's copying what price?
1143921;1432325761;Adlai;last i checked 1 DOGE = 1 DOGE
1143922;1432325775;mircea_popescu;Adlai isn't buttfinex the one of the web exchanges with the largest random number published under "volume" ?
1143923;1432325796;Adlai;they at least charge their customers for helping them boost that number
1143924;1432325803;mircea_popescu;allegedly.
1143925;1432325861;Adlai;either way, their order book has been crossing at an increasingly frequent rate
1143926;1432325871;Adlai;screenshots all over the reddits, for the curious
1143927;1432325872;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143625 x.x
1143928;1432325872;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 14:24:52; mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.
1143929;1432325889;mircea_popescu;Adlai it's actually in my reports, too. the part i hadn't read thereof.
1143930;1432325908;*;mircea_popescu has been skipping the web exchanges header for... months, now.
1143931;1432325967;*;Adlai has brought scalpl for some drydock, next voyage planned for the cross-chain seas
1143932;1432325999;jurov;any stats how much it made?
1143933;1432326006;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143634 << yeah fo sho.
1143934;1432326006;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 14:29:20; asciilifeform: incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup'
1143935;1432326006;Adlai;no
1143936;1432326027;mircea_popescu;how goes mats ?
1143937;1432326121;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143652 "the path to truth is correctly hiding all the places we're lying to ourselves!"
1143938;1432326121;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 14:57:39; jurov: "Internal Whitening" ftw
1143939;1432326182;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143669 << this is a largest concern.
1143940;1432326182;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 15:03:03; asciilifeform: tube also wears out very quickly
1143941;1432326195;mircea_popescu;it's not only that it wears off quickly, it wears off as a function of... HOW MUCH IT DETECTED
1143942;1432326197;Adlai;jurov: there's lots of data, but motivation to do anything scalpl-related is currently at all-time lows
1143943;1432326230;jurov;where were we with S.MPOE?
1143944;1432326246;jurov;it was not feasible or?
1143945;1432326251;*;Adlai wanted to build a simulator to check feasibility
1143946;1432326253;mircea_popescu;tandem arrangements can to some degree help, but it gets rapidly iffy (tandem arrangements of radiation detectors are fundamentally looking at the same event, at least some of the time - not so with electronic noise like cardano measures, where tandem detectors are actually looking at distinct events)
1143947;1432326336;jurov;ohno... this mpex simulator stuff again
1143948;1432326394;Adlai;it's not necessary, but the alternative is to not simulate, which requires an account
1143949;1432326443;jurov;i can give you access to mpexagent
1143950;1432326462;Adlai;!s mpexagent
1143951;1432326463;assbot;7 results for 'mpexagent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpexagent
1143952;1432326495;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143704 << the problem with multiplication in these ethereal numeric bodies is that it has about as many gotchas as memory allocation in c. and most of them plenty unintuitive.
1143953;1432326495;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 15:23:45; Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour
1143954;1432326513;mircea_popescu;who the fuck knows what exactly multiplying the exponent by a factor in the key does.
1143955;1432326551;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143709 << lmao!
1143956;1432326551;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 15:28:17; chetty: http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/22/technology/adult-friendfinder-hacked/index.html
1143957;1432326611;mircea_popescu;mp does fetlife, weev does aff. i guess i lose out huh.
1143958;1432326808;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143748 << golden standard is what alf presented, oscilloscope coupling
1143959;1432326808;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 17:49:51; jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?
1143960;1432326844;jurov;so ben_vulpes will then use camera to get the random bits off osciloscope?
1143961;1432326857;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143773 << lol
1143962;1432326857;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 18:19:06; jurov: quite an arrangement, this
1143963;1432326869;mircea_popescu;jurov i just meant the type of coupling!
1143964;1432326884;mircea_popescu;hateur
1143965;1432327284;mircea_popescu;incidentally, asciilifeform & all : is b-a pgp going to use vsh for hashing ?
1143966;1432327335;Adlai;(... but this requires customized JSON parser at the receiving side, that isn't always practical.) << pffffff (setf json:*real-handler* (lambda (string) (parse-float string :type 'rational)))
1143967;1432327336;mircea_popescu;apparently it goes with cramer-shoup
1143968;1432327340;mircea_popescu;!s cramer-shoup
1143969;1432327341;assbot;6 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup
1143970;1432328165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49941 @ 0.00027815 = 13.8911 BTC [-]
1143971;1432328932;cazalla;mircea_popescu, jurov's wine is safe, i prefer a half dozen cup of teas in the morning, not wine
1143972;1432329590;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_modem
1143973;1432329634;ascii_modem;vsh << good but we want it in tandem with, e.g., whirlpool
1143974;1432329651;mircea_popescu;yes
1143975;1432329652;ascii_modem;hash with each, concat, sign
1143976;1432329664;mircea_popescu;well not sure abotu concat
1143977;1432329740;ascii_modem;rng sampling << shift register , external clock, optocouplers
1143978;1432329749;ascii_modem;not hard (tm)
1143979;1432329860;ascii_modem;unfactored ?! << see log
1143980;1432329874;mircea_popescu;yeh i saw. awell
1143981;1432330459;trinque;;;later tell gabriel_laddel "I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune." be careful, you're underestimating the colossal difficulty of this and there are old skeletons on old battlefields that thought the same. *do you have the connections to make these sales to big businesses, militaries, private schools, and so on?*
1143982;1432330459;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1143983;1432330494;trinque;gabriel_laddel | trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol << ftr this is exactly why I said this
1143984;1432330537;trinque;"yeah I could see people buying this" is not a sales strategy
1143985;1432330562;trinque;what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do
1143986;1432330580;trinque;and try to land the client first, don't just assume it'll happen when you're ready
1143987;1432330584;trinque;I've had deals that took two years to close
1143988;1432330596;trinque;strike that, four on one
1143989;1432330682;trinque;then you set up your contract with them such that they're paying for the specific tool, and establish with them that the license for that is distinct from the one for Masamune
1143990;1432330696;trinque;and the above is by no means saying that'd be easy
1143991;1432330786;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143710 <<< that site got me laid quite a few times
1143992;1432330786;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 15:29:17; asciilifeform: l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?!
1143993;1432330880;cazalla;was sorta like tinder for people like me in their 20's 10 years ago
1143994;1432330975;mircea_popescu;http://bookre.org/reader?file=223021&pg=11 << and sadly, it died.
1143995;1432331036;mircea_popescu;seriously, you "can't spy on military" because magic ? srsly, "time is his for the asking" for being FAMOUS ? gtfo.
1143996;1432333242;kakobrekla;http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitfinex-hot-wallet-possibly-compromised/ < something is off with the link to bc.info ?
1143997;1432333331;scoopbot_revived;The 787 experience. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/22/the-787-experience/
1143998;1432333556;cazalla;kakobrekla, should work now, https://blockchain.info/address/17owg8RWb73qfE5HeQk6gg6RAgEUfxPXks is the address anyway
1143999;1432333629;kakobrekla;more buttcoin dripping in
1144000;1432333641;mircea_popescu;lulzy
1144001;1432333753;funkenstein_;ah man I wish I were in Zurri now too
1144002;1432333935;trinque;http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/21/8634437/google-internet-of-things-software-report << coupla companies releasing "internet of things" operating systems. I've said a few times that this is a good market entrypoint for a small lisp machine
1144003;1432333995;trinque;right alongside a bunch of competitors that are going to get brutalized by hackers
1144004;1432334285;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, all the nontrivial factors found have very interesting binary symmetries.
1144005;1432334288;mircea_popescu;key 4.1 : 17742509903907 = 1000000100011 0000000000000000000 1000000100011
1144006;1432334288;mircea_popescu;key 4.2 : 4294967297 = 100000000000000000000000000000001
1144007;1432334288;mircea_popescu;key 5.1 : 7301444404 = 1101100 11001100 11001100 1100110100
1144008;1432334288;mircea_popescu;key 5.2 : 270582939711  = 111111 00000000000000000000000000 111111
1144009;1432334288;mircea_popescu;key 6.1 : like key 4.2.
1144010;1432334289;mircea_popescu;key 6.1 : absent
1144011;1432334291;mircea_popescu;key 7.1 : 98784247831 = 1011100000000000000000000000000010111
1144012;1432334293;mircea_popescu;key 7.2 : 30064771079 = 11100000000000000000000000000000111
1144013;1432334295;mircea_popescu;key 8.1 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011
1144014;1432334297;mircea_popescu;key 8.2 : 21474836485 = 10100000000000000000000000000000101
1144015;1432334299;mircea_popescu;key 9.1 : like key 4.2.
1144016;1432334301;mircea_popescu;key 9.2 : absent
1144017;1432334303;mircea_popescu;key 10.1 : 4294967297  = like key 4.2.
1144018;1432334305;mircea_popescu;key 10.2 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011
1144019;1432334345;kakobrekla;looks like comic ray to me.
1144020;1432334356;mircea_popescu;let's try and count the types. first, there's two types with key 4.2. type T1.1 like 4.x and 10.x, which include a central symmetry factor 2nd key  ; type T1.2 like 6.x and 9.x which does not
1144021;1432334386;mircea_popescu;then there's central symmetry like in 7.1 or 4.2, but there's also simple repeating like in 4.1
1144022;1432334410;mircea_popescu;and some keys are made of modules with two central symmetry factors, whereas some other keys only include one
1144023;1432334414;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla verily.
1144024;1432334576;hanbot;5.1 and 7.1 better example of repeating, 101 could be just like 100000100011. 11/101/111 are all symmetric to so you don't know.
1144025;1432334727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58697 @ 0.0002805 = 16.4645 BTC [+] {2} 
1144026;1432334828;funkenstein_;whoa palindromic primes
1144027;1432334966;hanbot;looks like a good heuristic of what factors to try first
1144028;1432335032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53561 @ 0.00028575 = 15.3051 BTC [+] {2} 
1144029;1432335355;scoopbot_revived;Six Months In, OKCoin Relinquish Control Of Bitcoin.com http://qntra.net/2015/05/six-months-in-okcoin-relinquish-control-of-bitcoin-com/
1144030;1432335483;funkenstein_;big congrats go out to phuctor team from dwarven contingency
1144031;1432335519;funkenstein_;is there a story to go with the triangle on the middle finger?
1144032;1432335579;funkenstein_;the diode?
1144033;1432338154;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html propped up...but it looks no one signed someone's other patch yet?
1144034;1432338814;ben_vulpes;mmm i have
1144035;1432338839;jurov;can you tell where/when?
1144036;1432338873;ben_vulpes;right before the release
1144037;1432338880;ben_vulpes;xmitted a *mess* of resigned patches
1144038;1432338888;ben_vulpes;probably fucked it up some way
1144039;1432338963;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000070.html this, i guess
1144040;1432339023;jurov;looks like you haven't used the patch IDs
1144041;1432339086;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ the what now ?
1144042;1432339104;mircea_popescu;hanbot yeah actually, not bad heuristic.
1144043;1432339124;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupidly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not
1144044;1432339126;ben_vulpes;send this code around to anyone
1144045;1432339127;mircea_popescu;if anyone feels like downloading phuctor's P and trying all these types of divisors on it see if we already contain one
1144046;1432339128;ben_vulpes;else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts
1144047;1432339135;mircea_popescu;seeing how it wouldn't trigger unless we find two
1144048;1432339161;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and how do you distinguish who squelched ?
1144049;1432339172;ben_vulpes;y'can't, i know.
1144050;1432339184;ben_vulpes;but for a bezzleplay, it ain't bad.
1144051;1432339194;mircea_popescu;i don't get how it'd work.
1144052;1432339237;mircea_popescu;https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << i suspec this is representative of what we'll be seeing in future in any btc-for-general-public venue.
1144053;1432339297;Adlai;"phuctor's P" << you mean Π(∀n) ?
1144054;1432339297;mircea_popescu;abject begging. sort-of like what englishman venturng in asia would see.
1144055;1432339297;mircea_popescu;Adlai yes
1144056;1432339297;Adlai;ie http://nosuchlabs.com/prod
1144057;1432339357;Adlai;RIP assbot
1144058;1432339357;ben_vulpes;BigCorp wants training software, is willing to pay for the professional services to make it happen and another chunk of cash for the software already written.
1144059;1432339357;ben_vulpes;"you may use this yourself, diddle its internals as you see fit, but you may not distribute it to others"
1144060;1432339357;jurov;ben_vulpes: can you explain what exactly you produced signatures of?
1144061;1432339357;ben_vulpes;it's a fiat contract, not a serenissima contract.
1144062;1432339357;mircea_popescu;and once a third party has it, what do you do ?
1144063;1432339357;mircea_popescu;"clearly, you breahed the contract" "did not" < unresolvable dispute
1144064;1432339357;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: same thing microsoft does. 'you have a copy of my software, pay up'
1144065;1432339357;mircea_popescu;orly.
1144066;1432339357;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1144067;1432339357;ben_vulpes;focus on milking the fools and don't worry about the cheaters.
1144068;1432339373;mircea_popescu;then all software will be bitcoin gems.
1144069;1432339404;ben_vulpes;bezzleplay, mircea_popescu.
1144070;1432339484;ben_vulpes;jurov: i signed the patches as i downloaded them with my mail client.
1144071;1432339502;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul. << WELCOME, BROTHER
1144072;1432339505;jurov;then why are all .tar.gz.sig?
1144073;1432339555;ben_vulpes;must be extreme derpitude
1144074;1432339563;ben_vulpes;i'll redo them all.
1144075;1432339683;jurov;yes. pls mind the instructions about file naming so that the filename contains original patch ID
1144076;1432339689;ben_vulpes;so sorry.
1144077;1432339723;jurov;it's a bit complicated and i don't know how to make it better
1144078;1432339744;ben_vulpes;derping against complicated processes is my lot in life
1144079;1432339779;jurov;going off, later!
1144080;1432339784;ben_vulpes;night jurov
1144081;1432340084;trinque;ben_vulpes | BigCorp wants training software, is willing to pay for the professional services << this may work if the service is training, not masamune
1144082;1432340085;scoopbot_revived;happy friday! http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/22_happy-friday.html
1144083;1432340103;trinque;we build your training program, happens to be in this thing, how bout that
1144084;1432340127;trinque;selling the distro sounds like certain death
1144085;1432340147;trinque;incidentally this was one of the angles we were trying to work out with PSU re: daterbase
1144086;1432340153;trinque;did not work out, at least up til when I left
1144087;1432340247;trinque;wrote this whole interactive notebook thing for learning SQL
1144088;1432340494;trinque;I think in the best scenario, you've just got enough revenue to float an R&D department, and you stick a few guys on it
1144089;1432341138;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo probably scam but ya boy pac-man is fronting a bitcoin sportsbook https://vitalbet.com/#/esports
1144090;1432341198;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144091;1432342556;cazalla;bwahha more of that twitter ad trolling http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/20/twitter-users-shown-transphobic-promoted-tweet/
1144092;1432343149;mircea_popescu;not every dislike is a phobia. to say nothing of "insufficiently enthused tolerance"
1144093;1432344199;scoopbot_revived;The "universal" RSA keys http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys/
1144094;1432345052;mircea_popescu;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=4 << and a very young alf.
1144095;1432346088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20455 @ 0.00028365 = 5.8021 BTC [-]
1144096;1432347247;decimation;http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/05/cia-closing-its-main-climate-research-program < lol obama put his intel on 'climate change'
1144097;1432347307;decimation;because serious busienss
1144098;1432347979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77904 @ 0.00028912 = 22.5236 BTC [+] {2} 
1144099;1432348406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47091 @ 0.00029207 = 13.7539 BTC [+]
1144100;1432348513;trinque;"The Loper OS Project aims to remake computing. I am aware that others have tried and failed. Laughing? The job is not nearly as difficult as it sounds." << woah, there was an optimistic alf
1144101;1432348519;trinque;:D
1144102;1432349562;decimation;yum install python-alsa
1144103;1432349569;decimation;do
1144104;1432349571;decimation;doh
1144105;1432349687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69235 @ 0.00028124 = 19.4717 BTC [-] {2} 
1144106;1432352909;cazalla;bit more drama added to the roger ver post http://qntra.net/2015/05/six-months-in-okcoin-relinquish-control-of-bitcoin-com/
1144107;1432353346;trinque;"The contract was signed between Mr. Ver and “OKCoin”, failing to detail the legal entity with which Mr. Ver entered into a contractual agreement with." << hilarious
1144108;1432353721;cazalla;no need for a gpg contract either so now who knows if okcoin doctored up a new contract or not
1144109;1432353794;cazalla;instead he's got the identifying wood, yep it's wood guy analysing the signatures on each contract
1144110;1432354067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75445 @ 0.00028048 = 21.1608 BTC [-] {2} 
1144111;1432354827;cazalla;there goes scoopbot again.. so long, fucknaut
1144112;1432356807;cazalla_scoop;http://qntra.net/2015/05/vietnams-ministry-of-justice-suffers-ransomware-attack/
1144113;1432357258;decimation;heh $630
1144114;1432357283;decimation;the ransomers are clever, not asking too much
1144115;1432357904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92400 @ 0.0002777 = 25.6595 BTC [-] {2} 
1144116;1432359185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00029207 = 2.4972 BTC [+]
1144117;1432359431;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-05-2015#1140429 << wait... this makes it easy to factor phi
1144118;1432359431;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 15:03:07; assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 00:29:41; mod6: take a look at this: http://dpaste.com/0SQPBKC.txt  Is there any reason when allocating the space for p & q to do Eulers totient they would initialize the space with 'p' and 'p', instead of 'p' & 'q'?
1144119;1432359457;mats;i'm not caught up on logs but someone else noticed this right
1144120;1432359754;ben_vulpes;fucknaut lol
1144121;1432359780;ben_vulpes;dafuq did you write that thing in, williamdunne?
1144122;1432359789;ben_vulpes;whoa williamdunne not around?
1144123;1432359835;ben_vulpes;;;later tell williamdunne wither scoopbot this time?
1144124;1432359836;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144125;1432359874;mats;with some independent verification it looks like everything up to .19 is broken as released
1144126;1432359894;mats;someone tell me i'm wrong
1144127;1432360072;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
1144128;1432360092;pete_dushenski;thanks ben_vulpes !
1144129;1432360101;ben_vulpes;mats: i think the qualified are all taking the weekend off
1144130;1432360101;pete_dushenski;guten morgen von zurich :)
1144131;1432360109;mats;how is it possible this has escaped audit all this time
1144132;1432360125;ben_vulpes;we are all lazy shitstains?
1144133;1432360152;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes more bloggin ? good on ya.
1144134;1432360187;ben_vulpes;eh i post photos
1144135;1432360195;ben_vulpes;been doing that since i was like 14 or something
1144136;1432360221;ben_vulpes;have been derping at a bit about mad max but i don't know if i'll ever poop it out
1144137;1432360242;ben_vulpes;it's not an entirely unredeemable piece of ableist propaganda
1144138;1432360248;pete_dushenski;join the movie review club ;)
1144139;1432360258;ben_vulpes;dude i don't know that i care enough
1144140;1432360280;pete_dushenski;well i dunno either but the cool kids are definitely doing it.
1144141;1432360302;ben_vulpes;a movie and a beer is a nice way to put my brain into idle for 3 hours but after that i don't really want to waste any more cycles on the pulp
1144142;1432360337;ben_vulpes;kinda have a lot on my plate atm
1144143;1432360341;ben_vulpes;plus keypocalypse
1144144;1432360393;ben_vulpes;fluffypony's tripping around eu, you're derping around vbc and now eu, asciilifeform's off to the woods for the weekend, mircea_popescu's on permananent unvacation
1144145;1432360416;ben_vulpes;i'm like "a long weekend! i can get some /work/ done!"
1144146;1432360431;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes let's stick with our division of labour then : you write code and generally solve the world's problems...
1144147;1432360438;ben_vulpes;paha
1144148;1432360452;pete_dushenski;i'll travel around, write about things, and comment on things other people are actually doing
1144149;1432360523;ben_vulpes;glhf™®
1144150;1432360548;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu haven't read dali's life. you mean like this http://www.amazon.ca/Dali-Biography-Meredith-Etherington-Smith/dp/1856191648/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432360530&sr=8-1&keywords=dali+biography or something else ?
1144151;1432360608;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144152;1432360608;pete_dushenski;brb
1144153;1432360698;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski "The Secret Life of Salvador Dal�" in english
1144154;1432360733;mircea_popescu;not some derpy woman's concotion
1144155;1432360783;mats;16:20:27 <+mircea_popescu> how goes mats ? << i'm taking a two week vacation so it'll be on hold for a bit
1144156;1432360806;mircea_popescu;aha
1144157;1432360849;ben_vulpes;vacation
1144158;1432360851;ben_vulpes;what's that
1144159;1432361190;mats;pacific beach
1144160;1432361572;mats;so, phi is kept secret, but i'm not familiar enough with theory to know the implications
1144161;1432361920;mircea_popescu;who ?
1144162;1432361962;ben_vulpes;!up pete_dushenski
1144163;1432362304;mircea_popescu;trinque meanwhile he died!
1144164;1432362346;mircea_popescu;cazalla such lolcows these ppls.
1144165;1432362396;mircea_popescu;<mats> i'm not caught up on logs but someone else noticed this right << not publicly.
1144166;1432362454;mircea_popescu;<mats> how is it possible this has escaped audit all this time << welcome to the wunderbar world of FOSS, aka a chunk of raw meat in the sun, festering with a million grub eyes
1144167;1432362470;mats;https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/5791/why-is-it-important-that-phin-is-kept-a-secret-in-rsa
1144168;1432362705;mircea_popescu;cazalla so tl;dr : ver scammed okcoin into paying for a domain name, which is as we all know NEVER worth any money. okcoin got out of original depry phase after 3 months through eithry smarting up or running out of cash.
1144169;1432362718;mircea_popescu;cripplefight/bitchfest as to what "should be" ensues.
1144170;1432362862;trinque;he lives
1144171;1432362874;*;trinque checks logs for a netsplit or something
1144172;1432362890;trinque;seems like the irc part of the guy still thought he was connected to freenode
1144173;1432363047;cazalla;mircea_popescu, rented it from ver.. i dunno about worthless though, most of the bitsuffix and prefixcoin sites yes but i'd think bitcoin.com has some value for just type ins if just that
1144174;1432363078;cazalla;they never buy but if they do, it's in installments which they inevitably don't pay.. like btc.com
1144175;1432363120;mircea_popescu;cazalla think about it. the typeins are by definition idiots.
1144176;1432363126;mircea_popescu;i'd pay to be hidden from them.
1144177;1432363152;cazalla;who else doesn't block ads or some pay per install type shit?
1144178;1432363187;cazalla;anyway speaking of domains.. if anyone wants bitcoinprivilege.com, it expires in a few days and imma let it drop (had my fun)
1144179;1432363260;mircea_popescu;i think this is the best thing to do - get a domain, have some lulz, let it drop, idiot "vultures" registe rit because WOW WAS USED!11 is VALUABLE!!1
1144180;1432363270;mircea_popescu;they pay for a year or five eventually go bankrupt
1144181;1432363276;mircea_popescu;aquired by further fool, idem...
1144182;1432363289;mircea_popescu;eventually you end up causing > 1k worth of damage to idiot party on top of everything
1144183;1432363708;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu aha. 'secret life'. got it.
1144184;1432363808;gabriel_laddel;trinque: WIP, no shame in that << You followed the install guide or just (ql:quickload 'masamune)'d it?
1144185;1432363823;gabriel_laddel;trinque: but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done << hehe yep.
1144186;1432363851;gabriel_laddel;just (print some-sexpr wotnet-stream) and (read wotnet-stream) all the way
1144187;1432363888;gabriel_laddel;trinque: what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do << I plan on approaching both. But yes, to restrict oneself to those who Lisp is braindamaged - people who know nothing about computer programming notice when software works well and will happily pay for something that doesn't break, get h
1144188;1432363888;gabriel_laddel;acked etc.
1144189;1432363966;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupi
1144190;1432363966;gabriel_laddel;dly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not send this code around to anyone else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts << Correct.
1144191;1432363974;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: y'can't, i know. << oh I wouldn't say that.
1144192;1432363983;ben_vulpes;oh you solved drm?
1144193;1432363997;gabriel_laddel;Nope, just don't sell to people who share your bits
1144194;1432364016;ben_vulpes;iirc that conversation carried the context of hard guarantees.
1144195;1432364018;gabriel_laddel;the DRM crowd wants is both ways - they want to sell to everyone and to have them not be able to share it
1144196;1432364035;ben_vulpes;'tis an honor and honesty thing.
1144197;1432364040;gabriel_laddel;yeah
1144198;1432364057;mircea_popescu;interesting point this. yes the drm crowd wants contradictory things
1144199;1432364068;mircea_popescu;not persuaded taking that away is enough to fix drm tho
1144200;1432364083;gabriel_laddel;I don't know how to get a hard guarantee, so don't. It becomes a "state secret" sort of situation at that point.
1144201;1432364086;ben_vulpes;is drm actually implementable?
1144202;1432364104;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: that's where i land
1144203;1432364172;gabriel_laddel;The problem with the DRM crowd is that nothing they have is valuable enough for someone to give a damn about maintaining the relationship.
1144204;1432364204;mircea_popescu;this is also a point. amusingly enough, trilema makes more money than the mean of web properties, notwithstanding the fact that it's enforced very laxily.
1144205;1432364213;gabriel_laddel;heh
1144206;1432364220;mircea_popescu;but it isn't actually enough for to pay for me to be doing it.
1144207;1432364280;mircea_popescu;on the oher hand, i guess i also would never starve.
1144208;1432364374;mircea_popescu;the problem you have, however, is one of externalities. say A, B and C are your customers, and yes for them giving your stuff away is -ev if you know about it.
1144209;1432364390;mircea_popescu;except if D proposes to get it for half price and not tell you, they are now +ev
1144210;1432364399;mircea_popescu;and you can't find out, because they all deny.
1144211;1432364417;mircea_popescu;and from D it goes to E and soon enough it's free, at which point everyone loses the -ev counter-incentive.
1144212;1432364444;mircea_popescu;traditionally this is solved with watermarking, but that only works on idiots and catpictures. you can't watermark code.
1144213;1432364458;gabriel_laddel;^ actually...
1144214;1432364463;mircea_popescu;(i suppose you could, if you were very devious
1144215;1432364478;mircea_popescu;name a class HerpyClass in one version and Herpy_Class  in another
1144216;1432364484;mircea_popescu;but this is too fucking laborious.
1144217;1432364520;mircea_popescu;of course you could use a "32 char hash" convention for all your entities
1144218;1432364523;mircea_popescu;then just alter the salt.
1144219;1432364524;mircea_popescu;hm.
1144220;1432364527;mircea_popescu;wow.
1144221;1432364542;mircea_popescu;ya you CAN actually watermark code.
1144222;1432364545;mircea_popescu;who knew.
1144223;1432364549;gabriel_laddel;me
1144224;1432364563;mircea_popescu;course, they could just edit the names to some random hash of their own.
1144225;1432364601;mircea_popescu;which may be more work than they're willing to put into it, but still, would kill your drm like it kills that stupid "sound security" thing we discussed a coupla weeksa ago
1144226;1432364629;gabriel_laddel;we don't need DRM, we just need to know who leaked which code
1144227;1432364639;mircea_popescu;you woukdn't tho.
1144228;1432364650;mircea_popescu;before i leak it i just hash all entity names with a "fuck gabby" salt
1144229;1432364672;gabriel_laddel;how do you know how I've watermarked it?
1144230;1432364681;mircea_popescu;i can see the 32 bit hash names.
1144231;1432364701;gabriel_laddel;This isn't the only way to go about watermarking code though.
1144232;1432364720;gabriel_laddel;yes, someone may discover your watermark
1144233;1432364725;mircea_popescu;but code being by its nature code, i have a firm guarantee that i can wipe your watermark out.
1144234;1432364740;mircea_popescu;by transforming everything that's not required by the machine.
1144235;1432364775;mircea_popescu;all names hashed, all spaces removed, etc.
1144236;1432364783;mircea_popescu;(comments count as spaces)
1144237;1432364793;gabriel_laddel;and people are going to download and use this?
1144238;1432364795;mircea_popescu;this is a drastically degraded version ofthe code tho, i readily grant
1144239;1432364805;gabriel_laddel;rather than paying for my version?
1144240;1432364805;mircea_popescu;yeah, the result is not worthless.
1144241;1432364831;mircea_popescu;yeah, the result is not worthless. << i mean, the result of this convo, re code watermarking, even if notperfect is still not worthless.
1144242;1432364838;ben_vulpes;it verges on obfuscation, and at that point one may as well deliver a binary for all the "fits in head"ness it'll have.
1144243;1432364861;gabriel_laddel;if some bastardized version of our shared bits shows up a torrents site I can maintain your account with me accordingly
1144244;1432364865;ben_vulpes;i may be insane but i think a large fraction of the value in delivered code is that others can read and mod it.
1144245;1432364872;gabriel_laddel;^ yep
1144246;1432364885;ben_vulpes;but it would be trivial to change one random symbol name per client license
1144247;1432364893;ben_vulpes;or several, but unique across clients
1144248;1432364900;ben_vulpes;and then they have the problem of "what was it before"
1144249;1432364907;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he would just build a list of things to change and change them all.
1144250;1432364909;gabriel_laddel;sure, start there when selling to idiots, for big contracts scale accordingly
1144251;1432364914;ben_vulpes;so no not impossible, or low value, or necessary even to destroy the code
1144252;1432364920;mircea_popescu;entries like "add blank space after dots in following positions" or etc
1144253;1432364940;gabriel_laddel;or even slightly different versions for large clients, with different libs
1144254;1432364944;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i don't follow, sorry
1144255;1432364950;gabriel_laddel;like actually different functions
1144256;1432364956;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he would maintain a list of places where he can change things
1144257;1432364967;mircea_popescu;and then just make a hash and interpret it as bitflips over that list
1144258;1432364970;ben_vulpes;you mean everywhere?
1144259;1432364973;mircea_popescu;yes.
1144260;1432364989;mircea_popescu;bit 1 : presence or absence of space after dot at position x y
1144261;1432364991;ben_vulpes;sure, if it's worth your time to resell the thing after writing a transform for it...
1144262;1432365004;mircea_popescu;bit 2 : name of function x
1144263;1432365006;mircea_popescu;on it goes.
1144264;1432365038;mircea_popescu;then as a licensee you DONT know what you need to transform to wipe the watermark, so you have to transform... "everything". which results in a turd, which as he says, who the fuck will want that.
1144265;1432365076;ben_vulpes;anyways, this is sort of a 'club' for code. it'd never stop a smart or determined attacker, but it renders the cost of the heist somewhat higher than i warrant many would pay.
1144266;1432365081;mircea_popescu;seems the sort of meta-prograsmming task for which lisp was invented anyway. keep your code as a s-expr of the code you deliver.
1144267;1432365105;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: someone has to be out to get you at that point, and yeah
1144268;1432365116;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the cost of properly stealing his code would be i guess log n
1144269;1432365130;gabriel_laddel;if you end up in a war for any reason, well... idk, tough
1144270;1432365132;ben_vulpes;wow how'd you make that estimate?
1144271;1432365132;mircea_popescu;where n is the cost of just writing it
1144272;1432365138;ben_vulpes;aha
1144273;1432365144;ben_vulpes;heh durr
1144274;1432365148;mircea_popescu;:p
1144275;1432365291;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mthreat https://laalameda.wordpress.com/tag/prostibulo/ << check out the drama surrounding that derpy bar in recoletta.
1144276;1432365351;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144277;1432365853;mircea_popescu;http://traackr.com/ dude all these web 2.1 bullshits, where you can't even establish wtf they're supposedly doing AT ALL.
1144278;1432365974;gabriel_laddel;a world without the WoT is just silly
1144279;1432366007;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1144280;1432366035;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the people here are really fucking derpy, for many reasons. one of which - all the clubs where kids go are like 100sq ft. literally.
1144281;1432366039;mircea_popescu;crowded as all shit and stupid.
1144282;1432366057;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the garages are what, > 10k sqft. no exceptions. acreworth.
1144283;1432366073;mircea_popescu;so i was all like man, ima buy a garage and make a fucking disco. own this town.
1144284;1432366085;mircea_popescu;and my next through was... and in order to get in, a dude has to be in wot.
1144285;1432366087;mircea_popescu;win.
1144286;1432366102;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-05-2015#1141493
1144287;1432366102;assbot;Logged on 21-05-2015 04:44:16; mircea_popescu: " more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against" << that's the hot core of failure.
1144288;1432366120;gabriel_laddel;so wait, you  actually bought a disco in ar?
1144289;1432366149;gabriel_laddel;I fully expect WoT enabled housing and clubs btw
1144290;1432366154;mircea_popescu;yup.
1144291;1432366170;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel nah, i'm not buying anything until they get fucked
1144292;1432366183;mircea_popescu;atm they're living in this lala-land where they're like, a country.
1144293;1432366200;mircea_popescu;let income shave a zero and real estate shave two, we can talk.
1144294;1432366213;mircea_popescu;not like any of them are worth even 10% of what they pretend they're getting paid today anyway.
1144295;1432366230;gabriel_laddel;ugh, earth is fucking gay
1144296;1432366257;gabriel_laddel;the collapse can't come quick enough
1144297;1432366264;mircea_popescu;the notion that the average argentine derp is worth 1k/year in salary is ludicrous. they're white, yes, but otherwise the skilset is on par with sierra leone
1144298;1432366276;mircea_popescu;rural economy, they're all peasants.
1144299;1432366305;gabriel_laddel;amazing - they have a port city and two nuclear reactors
1144300;1432366305;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1144301;1432366313;mircea_popescu;few dollars/day is adequate.
1144302;1432366319;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel so do the ukrainians.
1144303;1432366347;gabriel_laddel;tbh, any country could really become the center of the universe provided they stop being idiots
1144304;1432366350;gabriel_laddel;the bar is so very low
1144305;1432366356;mircea_popescu;yet they don't think 100 bucks / month is too low, or that apartments should go for > 10k a pop.
1144306;1432366364;mircea_popescu;this much is true.
1144307;1432368170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00028702 = 10.9498 BTC [-]
1144308;1432369855;cazalla;https://twitter.com/bitcointalk/status/602017247788343296
1144309;1432374105;felipelalli;hi my gang of noise friends!! I wrote a new article in my blog: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/a-fabulosa-ilha-bitcoin/ - not sure if it will be good with Google Translate but, give a try! Feel free if you want to translate / make the final review to English and publish it anywhere. See you!!
1144310;1432375324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38427 @ 0.00029464 = 11.3221 BTC [+] {2} 
1144311;1432375385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29773 @ 0.00029754 = 8.8587 BTC [+] {2} 
1144312;1432376361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50350 @ 0.00029858 = 15.0335 BTC [+] {2} 
1144313;1432378375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00029918 = 10.6807 BTC [+] {2} 
1144314;1432381186;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, re your last trilema article 1 is not a prime number
1144315;1432383124;mircea_popescu;it isn't ?
1144316;1432383137;mircea_popescu;http://plarium.com/en/strategy-games/stormfall-age-of-war/?in=aW52aXRlcj0xMTAzMTY2MSxyZWNlaXZlcj1TdG9ybWZhbGxFbixzaT0sLjE2Mzg3MjhmMWY4ZGNkZDkyMTk3ZmFjZDZjYmFlYzY50#/signup << random browser game of the day
1144317;1432383234;Apocalyptic;mircea, nah it breaks a couple of things if you count it among primes, besides not satisfying the usual definition
1144318;1432383349;mircea_popescu;well it certainly ain't composite...
1144319;1432383382;mircea_popescu;anyway. matter of definition
1144320;1432383531;Apocalyptic;I would be curious to see any definition considering 1 as prime, it would mean you no longer have the fundamental theorem of arithmetic
1144321;1432383552;Apocalyptic;and yeah it's certainly not composite either
1144322;1432383554;*;mircea_popescu gets off his lazy butt and fixes his article
1144323;1432384019;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i swear i saw this shit advertised on tv.. ctrl+w'd
1144324;1432384137;cazalla;hmm some other shit called game of war with kate upton
1144325;1432386521;jurov;re:watermark code - did this once, we inserted random stuff and alterations into comments, esp. javadoc
1144326;1432386541;jurov;can't be really used if these are stripped
1144327;1432386581;jurov;but i dunno if it was ever tested in battle
1144328;1432390799;kakobrekla;>This site may not display correctly in Internet Explorer 10. We recommend using IE 9 or another browser.
1144329;1432390803;kakobrekla;thats new.
1144330;1432395486;Hasimir;mircea_popescu, I ran asciilifeform's litmus.py script against all the keys in my gpg 1.4 keyring and got 9 hits, the oldest of which belongs to the PGP time stamp service and was made in 1995
1144331;1432395560;Hasimir;btw, that's an error rate of approximately 0.1%
1144332;1432396682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2645 @ 0.00037988 = 1.0048 BTC [-] {7} 
1144333;1432396762;Adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-05-2015#1144320 << in plain and simple asslish, when you include the multiplicative identity as a prime, you no longer have unique prime factorizations, because you can raise the identity to any power and get the same product
1144334;1432396762;assbot;Logged on 23-05-2015 12:18:51; Apocalyptic: I would be curious to see any definition considering 1 as prime, it would mean you no longer have the fundamental theorem of arithmetic
1144335;1432397353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC [-]
1144336;1432398088;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143981 << It seems to me that the question is, "why have people selling computers preloaded with their software failed (Apple does this, but their computers are braindamaged, a failure by 'design')?" Interpretation: all companies in this space occupy a position in "uncanny valley". If you look at e.g
1144337;1432398088;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2015 21:34:19; trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune." be careful, you're underestimating the colossal difficulty of this and there are old skeletons on old battlefields that thought the same. *do you have the connections to make these sales to big businesses, militaries, private schools, and so on?*
1144338;1432398088;gabriel_laddel;., the System76 site, they advertise that "Ubuntu Server is easy to set up and lightweight, including only what you need out of the box. It’s powerfully extended with thousands of commercial and open source server applications.". They have the opportunity to piss all over portability, bring something alien to earth and... they don't know what to do
1144339;1432398088;gabriel_laddel; with it. As such, their product ends up as a label change from Windows/OSX to "phree1!" software. Impotence is boring, nobody cares.
1144340;1432399104;gabriel_laddel;Finishing that thought: supporting everything for everyone is simply too much work. Abandoning this seriously reduces the workload on one's organization. Of course, it remains to be seen the degree to which this is a competitive advantage.
1144341;1432399398;jurov;you like listening to yourself, don't you?
1144342;1432399442;jurov;so...just find your niche
1144343;1432399617;gabriel_laddel;jurov: I'm responding (belatedly) to log messages directed at me, apologies if it's bothering you.
1144344;1432399739;jurov;no apologies needed, i just got an impression you're restating the obvious repeatedly
1144345;1432399789;jurov;what is this masamune thing?
1144346;1432399859;jurov;and you can sell computers preloaded without needig big investment, if you find a niche where you can considerably improve their process
1144347;1432399894;jurov;even then, they'll most likely ask you about just adding it on top of osx/windows
1144348;1432399908;jurov;what do you do with that?
1144349;1432399983;jurov;!up gabriel_laddel ^ check the log
1144350;1432400463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00029848 = 4.328 BTC [+]
1144351;1432400586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4891 @ 0.00033334 = 1.6304 BTC [-] {3} 
1144352;1432400663;gabriel_laddel;jurov: masamune is a WIP source-only linux distro with a sane set of defaults and 'scaffolding' for conducting research, business.
1144353;1432400674;gabriel_laddel;and you can sell computers preloaded without needig big investment, if you find a niche where you can considerably improve their process << this is true.
1144354;1432400699;gabriel_laddel;even then, they'll most likely ask you about just adding it on top of osx/windows  << yeah, this is in part why I'll have to target individuals
1144355;1432400805;gabriel_laddel;MP has asked that I 'get a blog', and it is probably the proper format for detailing the sales / marketing strategy. If I decide to follow up on this thread I'll do so there.
1144356;1432402886;jurov;"research, businees" is very wide definition
1144357;1432406112;mircea_popescu;Hasimir aha.
1144358;1432406419;jurov;! ascii_modem
1144359;1432406424;jurov;!up ascii_modem
1144360;1432406448;ascii_modem;ty jurov
1144361;1432406526;ascii_modem;mats: my current understanding is that the turd in gpg2 is a malloc and doesn't leak phi. crashable bug though, & deserves closer look
1144362;1432406624;ascii_modem;(p and q almost certainly fit in same number of 'limbs')
1144363;1432406704;ascii_modem;Hasimir: did you 'litmus' for weirdmods, giant-pub-e, or both at once?
1144364;1432406816;mircea_popescu;o look it's an alf!
1144365;1432406831;ascii_modem;mircea_popescu: you can download the product & try dividing by your symmetric things now! no need to wait for me
1144366;1432406851;mircea_popescu;ah, but if it gets added in it'll serve against future keys too
1144367;1432406857;ascii_modem;nono
1144368;1432406865;mircea_popescu;?
1144369;1432406865;ascii_modem;on local box
1144370;1432406878;ascii_modem;use python repl or whatever
1144371;1432406890;ascii_modem;paste product in aha
1144372;1432406913;*;mircea_popescu doesn't want to do this because then he'll fuck it all up.
1144373;1432406914;ascii_modem;use any lang with bignums
1144374;1432406935;ascii_modem;multiply back to test
1144375;1432406956;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1144376;1432407002;ascii_modem;hard to screw up because easy to check answr
1144377;1432407036;mircea_popescu;i think we're talking about different things. idea was, it'd be useful to add these in for the future keys
1144378;1432407045;mircea_popescu;which may run into one of those fragged factors
1144379;1432407055;ascii_modem;ah, that - later
1144380;1432407062;mircea_popescu;well yes, at some point
1144381;1432407069;ascii_modem;!s primorial
1144382;1432407069;assbot;0 results for 'primorial' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=primorial
1144383;1432407089;ascii_modem;gotta go
1144384;1432407966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.0002861 = 19.3261 BTC [-] {3} 
1144385;1432412094;Apocalyptic;mats, not sure what you're getting at regarding the gpg paste
1144386;1432412100;Apocalyptic;are those two lines bothering you ?
1144387;1432412102;Apocalyptic;    t1 = mpi_alloc_secure( mpi_get_nlimbs(p) );
1144388;1432412102;Apocalyptic;    t2 = mpi_alloc_secure( mpi_get_nlimbs(p) );
1144389;1432412157;Apocalyptic;since p has exactly the same size as q I would say it's quite ok to use the size of p for both, although it's not intuitive that it's correct
1144390;1432412358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98600 @ 0.0002825 = 27.8545 BTC [-] {2} 
1144391;1432416459;scoopbot_revived;in la serenissima, inflation prices you in http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/23_in-la-serenissima-inflation-prices-you-in.html
1144392;1432424985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27820 @ 0.0002853 = 7.937 BTC [+]
1144393;1432426083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00029258 = 2.5016 BTC [+]
1144394;1432435538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4402 @ 0.00029258 = 1.2879 BTC [+]
1144395;1432440967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00028767 = 5.6815 BTC [-]
1144396;1432444201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18179 @ 0.00028767 = 5.2296 BTC [-]
1144397;1432444932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00029256 = 12.8288 BTC [+] {3} 
1144398;1432449327;scoopbot_revived;Burn the witch ! http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/24/burn-the-witch/
1144399;1432449690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00029749 = 2.9005 BTC [+]
1144400;1432449751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71423 @ 0.00029963 = 21.4005 BTC [+] {2} 
1144401;1432449812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54577 @ 0.00030015 = 16.3813 BTC [+] {3} 
1144402;1432451459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00030047 = 9.1944 BTC [+]
1144403;1432453903;scoopbot_revived;Bluetouff conviction upheld by French Supreme Court http://qntra.net/2015/05/bluetouff-conviction-upheld-by-french-supreme-court/
1144404;1432461890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00028435 = 18.7387 BTC [-] {2} 
1144405;1432461951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73655 @ 0.00028005 = 20.6271 BTC [-] {2} 
1144406;1432463476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21909 @ 0.00028662 = 6.2796 BTC [+]
1144407;1432475188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35568 @ 0.00030047 = 10.6871 BTC [+]
1144408;1432475991;scoopbot_revived;The One I Love http://trilema.com/2015/the-one-i-love/
1144409;1432477624;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski your latest header sucks yo
1144410;1432477625;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144411;1432477693;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-05-2015#1144389 <<< there's no guarantee p and q have the same bitsize is there ?
1144412;1432477693;assbot;Logged on 23-05-2015 20:15:57; Apocalyptic: since p has exactly the same size as q I would say it's quite ok to use the size of p for both, although it's not intuitive that it's correct
1144413;1432477737;mircea_popescu;howly shit, that's an incredibru log! yay.
1144414;1432478019;mircea_popescu;;;seen isaackl
1144415;1432478020;gribble;isaackl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <isaackl> mircea_popescu: and how do you prefer to communicate? all through the channel?
1144416;1432478061;mircea_popescu;hm where'd that guy go.
1144417;1432478215;mircea_popescu;!up novusordo
1144418;1432478314;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/23_in-la-serenissima-inflation-prices-you-in.html << nb. ben_vulpes you know i respek the entire "fuck you php" purity and everything, but fuck man, i can't leave comments. i guess i wave at you here instead, which worx.
1144419;1432478374;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7a8a1d14ac873749bc84725b701500b2/tumblr_mz8rv7sm4e1sr05ioo1_500.gif
1144420;1432478729;Apocalyptic;"there's no guarantee p and q have the same bitsize is there ?" // I think there is, a couple of lines above it generates them both with nbits/2 bits, so I would say yes, unless there is a bug in "generate_secret_prime", because this function specifically sets the two high bits to 1
1144421;1432478786;mircea_popescu;this is true, but you have no guarantee you will only be handling keys generated by your own generator.
1144422;1432478800;mircea_popescu;it's not in the standard they're the same size, is it ?
1144423;1432478814;mircea_popescu;(i have trouble recalling that whole spec, which is one of the things that are fucking wrong with it)
1144424;1432478850;Apocalyptic;and this is from a very quick look at the gen_prime function, a more thorough analysis may reveal something else
1144425;1432478884;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> this is true, but you have no guarantee you will only be handling keys generated by your own generator. // afaik this is not related to handling keys, the snippet mats pasted is key-generation related
1144426;1432478929;mircea_popescu;i just meant in teh general.
1144427;1432478933;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> it's not in the standard they're the same size, is it ? // I confess I have no idea what the standard says
1144428;1432478953;Apocalyptic;in general there is no size restrictions on the primes
1144429;1432478975;mircea_popescu;not as in "what rsa means", as in "what rsa 4096" means
1144430;1432479024;mircea_popescu;is rsa 4096 bit a guarantee you will have an n 4096 bits long (i think) or is it actually you will have two primes 2048 bits long each, with high bit set each.
1144431;1432479064;Apocalyptic;good question, I so far assumed it's the former
1144432;1432479097;mircea_popescu;i think it's the former yeah. which is why the "p=q" thing triggers the reader, i guess
1144433;1432479158;mats;id like to run tests but i dun have the ability to do so right now
1144434;1432479166;mats;and yes i was referring to those particular lines Apocalyptic
1144435;1432479410;mircea_popescu;so google chrome actually beat firefox huh.
1144436;1432479524;Apocalyptic;mircea, by what metric ?
1144437;1432479603;mircea_popescu;by the metric that i just looked in trilema logs and Google Chrome 2,252,411 hits 41.1 % Firefox 1,986,192 hits 36.3 %
1144438;1432479627;mats;http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nsa-tracking-program-20150523-story.html
1144439;1432479687;*;mats slaps assbot
1144440;1432479687;mircea_popescu;i think assbot gave up on subtitling
1144441;1432479700;mats;lazy.
1144442;1432479740;mircea_popescu;presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.)
1144443;1432479753;mircea_popescu;o.o junior's starting his failed bids for presidency career early ?!
1144444;1432479774;mircea_popescu;how many can he lose, if he lives as long as dad, 10-15ish ?
1144445;1432479795;funkenstein_;lol
1144446;1432479806;mircea_popescu;you voted paul huh funkenstein_
1144447;1432479820;funkenstein_;Dr Paul Sr. had an interesting video recently
1144448;1432479830;funkenstein_;how did you know?  :D
1144449;1432479835;*;mircea_popescu likes the guy
1144450;1432479846;mircea_popescu;how. i can tell, it's a demographics thing.
1144451;1432479876;funkenstein_;in it he's shilling some book, but he gives some pretty strong warnings on the currency front
1144452;1432479964;funkenstein_;so one reason it would be nice to have ECDSA as an asym. crypto option in PGP
1144453;1432479981;mircea_popescu;ecdsa is already in there.
1144454;1432479997;funkenstein_;is that I could easily generate my own entropy for my keypair
1144455;1432480000;mircea_popescu;but no, what i want is dual rsa-cs for b-a's dream-reimplementaton of pgp
1144456;1432480027;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ generating entropy is not easy, and oyu can already do that as-is.
1144457;1432480069;funkenstein_;i hope it's not that easy, i've been trying for hours.
1144458;1432480078;mats;http://www.people-press.org/2013/06/10/majority-views-nsa-phone-tracking-as-acceptable-anti-terror-tactic
1144459;1432480138;mats;dunno what the big deal is, clearly americans want to be spied on
1144460;1432480182;mircea_popescu;mats eh, this is just a dog and pony show for young rand etc. what'll happen is the wh backe,d house vetted solution where the nsa doesn't keep the records, phone companies do, nsa just asks for what it needs.
1144461;1432480207;mircea_popescu;this is more in line with the "privatize costs, centralize benefits of the police state" approach the us has been taking since the 80s
1144462;1432480213;mircea_popescu;ie post reagan
1144463;1432480218;mats;heh, i had that thought when i saw it
1144464;1432480230;mats;"what legal fuck fuck games are they gonna play nao"
1144465;1432480254;mircea_popescu;note that after the (recent) waco massacre, the criminals (waco police) blamed the... OWNER OF THE PIZZA JOINT.
1144466;1432480269;mircea_popescu;the future of the us at all levels is this thing where it's your job as the business owner to do the work of the police
1144467;1432480275;mircea_popescu;and it's their job to get the cookies.
1144468;1432480306;mircea_popescu;what teh public wants or doesn't want is really supporting cast in this trend.
1144469;1432480458;mats;god forbid USG actually trains people in HUMINT gathering
1144470;1432480496;mircea_popescu;it can't be done.
1144471;1432480568;mircea_popescu;https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1432413584849-1.jpg << i was gonna wash the sink and stuff in the bathroom, but then i just took some pics with my shirt off. easier work.
1144472;1432480628;funkenstein_;;;later tell pete_dushenski stop by lambada bar on langstrasse for me if you get a chance
1144473;1432480628;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144474;1432480761;mircea_popescu;the... wait. the LAMBADA bar ?
1144475;1432480800;mircea_popescu;chorando se foi!
1144476;1432481299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96400 @ 0.00028171 = 27.1568 BTC [-] {5} 
1144477;1432482751;mats;i had an interesting discussion with a project manager from general atomics
1144478;1432482791;mats;we discussed the future of airframes in USN and he validated my suspicion that they'll be obsolete inside of a decade (if not right now)
1144479;1432482852;mats;last time they had a real program was with the F-18 in the late 70s iirc
1144480;1432482876;mats;now they're being forced into working on the F-35 and JSF and its obv becoming a boondoggle because they simply don't have the expertise for it
1144481;1432482932;mats;along with the many chiefs problem
1144482;1432483010;mats;once USG loses a carrier or two the whole show will cascade, followed with binning of most of the sub fleet
1144483;1432483284;mats;should be interesting to see how USG power projection strategy develops with fielding of the S/VTOL F-35s and rail gun
1144484;1432483800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4749 @ 0.00027553 = 1.3085 BTC [-] {3} 
1144485;1432484785;mats;http://aviationweek.com/blog/pilot-reaction-flying-f-35b
1144486;1432484845;mats;"Indeed, the problem with all of this is that the F-35 is not bringing much to the picture which could not have been installed via upgrades in the older platforms, and thus the very length of generational separation from pilot access to these 'downloadable apps' equivalents to a civilian iPad is distorting pilot perception of improvement when we -could- have
1144487;1432484845;mats;had alternatives like Falcon Eye (far more reliable head steered FLIR) since the 1990s."
1144488;1432484913;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-05-2015#1140641 << not sure where you heard this, but i don't think this is true. more likely VTOL just consumes a ton of fuel, which makes it impractical rather than impossible
1144489;1432484913;assbot;Logged on 20-05-2015 19:30:08; jurov: i heard f35 cannot transition from hover to forward movement
1144490;1432485207;menahem;!up pete_dushenski
1144491;1432485232;pete_dushenski;it's.... alive!
1144492;1432485237;pete_dushenski;thx menahem
1144493;1432485267;pete_dushenski;;;later tell funkenstein_ will try on the way back through next week :)
1144494;1432485267;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144495;1432485328;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu i agree on the header. i felt like a change but it was kinda a weird/unflattering choice. new one is up, fresh from zurich !
1144496;1432485328;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144497;1432486553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00029561 = 2.6309 BTC [+]
1144498;1432486737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00030047 = 7.692 BTC [+]
1144499;1432488606;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: o.o junior's starting his failed bids for presidency career early ?! << Baby Paul is actually kind of one of the frontrunners. Also less cool than his father for sure.
1144500;1432488679;jurov;mats: f35 will be afaik STOVL anyway (need short runway to take off), vertical takeoff used only to very short distances
1144501;1432488941;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what, srsly ?
1144502;1432488954;mircea_popescu;dude it'll be so sad if the v2.0 which sucks actually gets the title.
1144503;1432488980;mircea_popescu;<mats> last time they had a real program was with the F-18 in the late 70s iirc << word.
1144504;1432489497;trinque;mircea_popescu: rand is "not an isolationist" in his words, supports a war against ISIS
1144505;1432489524;mircea_popescu;how does he plan to win a war of the omlette against the fork for the side of the omlette ?
1144506;1432489549;trinque;hahaha
1144507;1432489563;mircea_popescu;(yes i get it, the aggregate mass of eggs the fork drives down over its lifetime far exceeds the mass of the fork in question. so ?)
1144508;1432489567;trinque;his plan seems to be, take his fathers positions and dilute them all
1144509;1432489582;trinque;"yes but..." << see, I'm the reasonable Paul
1144510;1432489610;mircea_popescu;the only winning plan would be to make it mandatory for any woman that ever wrote or aspired to writing for any "social justice" outlet to spend the time she's got left until 30 as a harem slave in the arab world.
1144511;1432489613;mircea_popescu;that'd win it.
1144512;1432490354;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: with my current availability even php's not an option, js is the only stopgap that'd word
1144513;1432490378;ben_vulpes;and it's not pillar-sittin, it's pure time.
1144514;1432490388;mircea_popescu;aok
1144515;1432490441;ben_vulpes;i have a spike of a pgptron comment engine but it's nothing serviceable for use
1144516;1432490479;ben_vulpes;anyways, what were you thinking?
1144517;1432490537;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what, srsly ? << Yeah, also apparently really popular among the colored folks
1144518;1432490623;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wasn't anything too riveting, apparently, as now i dun recall. BingoBoingo black people are what, 10% ?
1144519;1432490645;BingoBoingo;somewhere between 10% and 20%
1144520;1432490756;mircea_popescu;http://www.jottings.ca/john/defence.html almost interesting guy
1144521;1432490816;mircea_popescu;ended up with him because discussion of no roses for miss blemish.
1144522;1432490865;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [15:09] note that after the (recent) waco massacre, the criminals (waco police) blamed the... OWNER OF THE PIZZA JOINT. << aha i didn't follow this one. link?
1144523;1432490898;mircea_popescu;!s patel
1144524;1432490899;assbot;4 results for 'patel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=patel
1144525;1432490915;mircea_popescu;2nd from top
1144526;1432490940;ben_vulpes;lulzy
1144527;1432491544;mircea_popescu;that awkward moment when some privacy minded chick comments on trilema to protest her privacyrights and then her email turns up in http://arbp.net/email_nonumbers.txt
1144528;1432491604;mircea_popescu;which... what the fuck is that even.
1144529;1432491975;mircea_popescu;http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/arbtnet/internet/arbpnet-scam-las-vegas-nevada-Internet-1195119
1144530;1432492035;mircea_popescu;apparently it's the spamlist of some internet marketeer or other. oops.
1144531;1432492087;mircea_popescu;(same Xlhost.com as in the arbt thing discussed there)
1144532;1432493041;kakobrekla;bitbet still has faulty blackjack http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/bitbetus/internet/bitbetus-Is-something-you-should-really-AVOID-1155798
1144533;1432493108;mod6;wtf
1144534;1432493177;mircea_popescu;totally.
1144535;1432493296;ben_vulpes;> bitbeetus
1144536;1432493572;decimation;mircea_popescu: not only that but the franchise owners 'disowned' the pizza joint owner
1144537;1432493596;mircea_popescu;well obviously.
1144538;1432493669;decimation;also lulzy http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/may/03/owning-trailer-parks-mobile-home-university-investment
1144539;1432493729;decimation;"Then comes a second, more unexpected warning: ?Now, guys, I?ve got to tell you this park, I believe, is a sex-offender park. Everyone in here is a sex offender. I could be wrong, we?re going to find out, but I think that?s the deal on this one. So stay together as a herd.?"
1144540;1432493837;decimation;^ result of usg policy, housing sex offenders in a trailer park is a thing
1144541;1432493868;decimation;" She rents trailer pad spots for about $325 a month. The trailers are either owned by the tenant or rented from a third party. Many trailers are divided into three bedrooms, for which tenants are charged $500 a month per room."
1144542;1432493881;decimation;this is near orlando, which is swamp
1144543;1432493924;decimation;so apparently it costs $1825 per month to rent a spot to park your trailer in a florida swamp
1144544;1432493928;decimation;with sex offenders
1144545;1432493964;ben_vulpes;wat
1144546;1432494114;mircea_popescu;honestly, i'd much rather hang out with sex offenders than with the average florida-ite
1144547;1432494724;mircea_popescu;in other news, scandalised bus lady : http://38.media.tumblr.com/efa76e7475257104b1f3c32b0f54c907/tumblr_mzaoz70gGl1r00ibto2_400.gif
1144548;1432495109;scoopbot_revived;My my is this embarassing! http://trilema.com/2015/my-my-is-this-embarassing/
1144549;1432497468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107500 @ 0.00030371 = 32.6488 BTC [+] {4} 
1144550;1432502056;Pierre_Rochard;mircea_popescu: “they seem scacely worth the time” / scarcely
1144551;1432502665;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-05-2015#1144277 << site reminds me of this -> https://youtu.be/QZuOKUrwoys?t=53s
1144552;1432502665;assbot;Logged on 23-05-2015 07:24:13; mircea_popescu: http://traackr.com/ dude all these web 2.1 bullshits, where you can't even establish wtf they're supposedly doing AT ALL.
1144553;1432502842;jurov;lmao mircea fell for hn's startup generator?
1144554;1432502879;jurov;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9427856 << this
1144555;1432503171;Adlai;"Introducing the world’s first peerless software." http://tiffzhang.com/startup/?s=634711791014
1144556;1432503489;jurov;One of the biggest challenges we faced after we hit our early goals was how do we stay top-of-mind and keep our users engaged? Enter Complaintme. Problem solved.
1144557;1432503520;Adlai;http://www.launchnik.com/slaveio
1144558;1432503647;Adlai;;;later tell nubbins` http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=837141135009
1144559;1432503707;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144560;1432506818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114329 @ 0.00030729 = 35.1322 BTC [+] {5} 
1144561;1432509807;trinque;https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-west-saw-isis-as-strategic-asset-b99ad7a29092 << making everyone in the US government a traitor to the United States according to its own law
1144562;1432509867;trinque;"Some outlets have reported the US intelligence community’s internal prediction of the rise of ISIS. Yet none have accurately acknowledged the disturbing details exposing how the West knowingly fostered a sectarian, al-Qaeda-driven rebellion in Syria."
1144563;1432510033;trinque;"Crucially, Iraq is labeled as an integral part of this “Shia expansion.”" << this provides context for the recent change in US-Saudi relations
1144564;1432513589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.00030412 = 17.3196 BTC [-] {2} 
1144565;1432514237;trinque;were I a Saudi king I might anticipate the US govt trying to pin ISIS solely on me.
1144566;1432517721;hanbot;!uo icaro_o_mirc_ain
1144567;1432517727;hanbot;!up icaro_o_mirc_ain
1144568;1432517920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92260 @ 0.00029892 = 27.5784 BTC [-] {4} 
1144569;1432517981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46290 @ 0.00029356 = 13.5889 BTC [-]
1144570;1432518225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76135 @ 0.00030641 = 23.3285 BTC [+]
1144571;1432518901;trinque;!up felipelalli
1144572;1432518909;felipelalli;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/19DWWYP.txt
1144573;1432518969;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1144574;1432518969;felipelalli;thanks for help trinque
1144575;1432518969;trinque;no problem; you should be able to self-up btw, not that I mind
1144576;1432518969;trinque;you're in assbot's L2
1144577;1432519003;felipelalli;trinque: thanks, I asked just as a shortcut! Just laziness to sign! :D
1144578;1432519426;felipelalli;trinque: it said "accepted" but why the bot didn't ask me to pay?
1144579;1432519449;trinque;because I pay for it currently
1144580;1432519514;felipelalli;Ah! Thanks so much. I'll donate to your BTC OTC address.
1144581;1432519540;trinque;felipelalli: you may send funds to the address from which deedbot- makes its timestamping payments if you like
1144582;1432519599;trinque;felipelalli: 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES
1144583;1432520189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00029356 = 5.0199 BTC [-]
1144584;1432520320;trinque;felipelalli: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-05-25-01-55-10.txt
1144585;1432520380;trinque;I notice that in google chrome, the non-ascii characters get munged; however, when I download the URL with wget they appear correctly and the sig verifies
1144586;1432520386;trinque;so *shrug*... seems like s3 doesn't serve up a proper encoding header for that, but it doesn't harm anything
1144587;1432520419;trinque;eventually I'm moving the deeds to my own nginx, so that will stop being an annoyance
1144588;1432520630;felipelalli;trinque: it looks good all time to me.
1144589;1432520746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110650 @ 0.0002935 = 32.4758 BTC [-] {2} 
1144590;1432520934;trinque;cool
1144591;1432521783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58060 @ 0.00029343 = 17.0365 BTC [-]
1144592;1432522394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00028758 = 23.9267 BTC [-]
1144593;1432522698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00027856 = 8.5518 BTC [-] {2} 
1144594;1432523186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63895 @ 0.00027599 = 17.6344 BTC [-]
1144595;1432523515;isaackl;mircea_popescu: still here. I read you complaining about lack of affiliate rev on http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-april-2014-statement/ and did a little digging on other casino affiliate schemes (both bitcoin and fiat). Mostly they seem to pay affiliates a cut of player losses, assumption being that players eventually lose most of their buy-ins to the house (via roulette, slots, etc).
1144596;1432523575;isaackl;BitBet doesn’t have those kind of games and maybe that changes the economics? You have to persuade players to lay down 100 btc to net 1 btc in affiliate rev. Not easy to buy traffic which pays out 100x what you paid for it. With FB ads a typical game might net, say, $10 on average per user, and we’d be buying installs for maybe $5 and trying to optimise it to $3.
1144597;1432523575;isaackl;For BitBet, SEO or finding sites with underutilised ad space (as with 8chan) is probably the way to go? Both take time though. I can send your btc back if you want as tbh I have little expertise in that world. Also let me know if you think my reasoning is flawed.
1144598;1432524185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85805 @ 0.00027689 = 23.7585 BTC [+] {2} 
1144599;1432524612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.0002715 = 6.6382 BTC [-] {2} 
1144600;1432525161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193650 @ 0.00026486 = 51.2901 BTC [-] {2} 
1144601;1432525649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54272 @ 0.00026711 = 14.4966 BTC [+] {2} 
1144602;1432525771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43616 @ 0.00028633 = 12.4886 BTC [+]
1144603;1432526218;mircea_popescu;isaackl i dunno man
1144604;1432526228;mircea_popescu;i don't begin to pretend like i'm a marketeer.
1144605;1432526249;mircea_popescu;but statistically speaking, a bitbet player breaks even. it's a fair betting thing, not a scammy betting thing like everything fiat world/\
1144606;1432526258;mircea_popescu;Pierre_Rochard ty
1144607;1432526385;mircea_popescu;trinque o shit did i forget to seed it ? what's the bot's addy ?
1144608;1432526442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83491 @ 0.00028726 = 23.9836 BTC [+] {3} 
1144609;1432526824;trinque;mircea_popescu: 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES
1144610;1432526836;trinque;and no big deal, it has used very little
1144611;1432526991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00026467 = 3.5466 BTC [-]
1144612;1432527784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115382 @ 0.00029047 = 33.515 BTC [+] {2} 
1144613;1432528882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00029117 = 9.0845 BTC [+]
1144614;1432529736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130100 @ 0.0002875 = 37.4038 BTC [-]
1144615;1432530041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39906 @ 0.00029459 = 11.7559 BTC [+] {2} 
1144616;1432530102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181637 @ 0.00029805 = 54.1369 BTC [+] {3} 
1144617;1432531017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52950 @ 0.00030018 = 15.8945 BTC [+] {2} 
1144618;1432531688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00030641 = 6.6338 BTC [+]
1144619;1432535654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116997 @ 0.00029529 = 34.548 BTC [-] {3} 
1144620;1432536568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40495 @ 0.00026995 = 10.9316 BTC [-]
1144621;1432536629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11208 @ 0.00026995 = 3.0256 BTC [-]
1144622;1432536751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111611 @ 0.00028587 = 31.9062 BTC [+]
1144623;1432539130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00026989 = 8.6095 BTC [-]
1144624;1432539313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94239 @ 0.00027696 = 26.1004 BTC [+] {2} 
1144625;1432539801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33065 @ 0.0002991 = 9.8897 BTC [+]
1144626;1432539862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4239 @ 0.00029003 = 1.2294 BTC [-]
1144627;1432540716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40061 @ 0.00027179 = 10.8882 BTC [-]
1144628;1432540960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39339 @ 0.00028584 = 11.2447 BTC [+]
1144629;1432542851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.00027424 = 28.2193 BTC [-] {2} 
1144630;1432542912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00026989 = 10.6607 BTC [-]
1144631;1432543511;cazalla;!up Grouper2182
1144632;1432543564;Grouper2182;Thanks a lot.
1144633;1432543702;Grouper2182;I liked the operation called Phuctor.
1144634;1432543745;Grouper2182;Does anyone know what mistake those people made, so that their keys had common factors with other keys?
1144635;1432543827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114117 @ 0.00028383 = 32.3898 BTC [+]
1144636;1432543949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46166 @ 0.00028383 = 13.1033 BTC [+]
1144637;1432545840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154614 @ 0.00028045 = 43.3615 BTC [-] {2} 
1144638;1432546633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00028921 = 13.7953 BTC [+] {2} 
1144639;1432547670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65701 @ 0.00028088 = 18.4541 BTC [-]
1144640;1432547792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9549 @ 0.00028088 = 2.6821 BTC [-]
1144641;1432547853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76450 @ 0.0002974 = 22.7362 BTC [+] {2} 
1144642;1432550537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91150 @ 0.00027752 = 25.2959 BTC [-]
1144643;1432550964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.00028025 = 13.2698 BTC [+]
1144644;1432551269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00027752 = 21.0638 BTC [-]
1144645;1432552062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80004 @ 0.00028025 = 22.4211 BTC [+]
1144646;1432552855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00029058 = 6.2184 BTC [+]
1144647;1432553221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00029768 = 9.1983 BTC [+]
1144648;1432553465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78896 @ 0.00028538 = 22.5153 BTC [-] {2} 
1144649;1432554380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00027752 = 3.7465 BTC [-]
1144650;1432556864;menahem;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2014#938816 << kakobrekla, did you pick some of these up, or say naa ?
1144651;1432556864;assbot;Logged on 30-11-2014 20:57:44; kakobrekla: It is actually the only security weakness of a Ledger Wallet. It is very important to initialize your wallet on a secure computer.
1144652;1432556915;kakobrekla;that doesnt look like my handtyping
1144653;1432557003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12366 @ 0.00027906 = 3.4509 BTC [+]
1144654;1432557060;menahem;it wasn't you commenting ?
1144655;1432557094;kakobrekla;copy paste from their site
1144656;1432557127;menahem;ohh got it.
1144657;1432557129;menahem;lol
1144658;1432557207;menahem;they've got a few things coming out; https://www.ledgerwallet.com/roadmap
1144659;1432557453;menahem;im going through the logs a bit, are you using your trezor much ?
1144660;1432557938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134300 @ 0.00029884 = 40.1342 BTC [+] {2} 
1144661;1432557975;kakobrekla;personally not really, mostly because of the bop's involvement, but i think they managed to dump that now, have to recheck
1144662;1432558007;kakobrekla;i gave a bunch of trezors to various people
1144663;1432558018;kakobrekla;but almost noone managed to set it up
1144664;1432558053;kakobrekla;idk, dumb ppl or something.
1144665;1432558243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00029896 = 5.0076 BTC [+]
1144666;1432558243;jurov;i tried to set it, but mytrezor.com sux
1144667;1432558293;jurov;next thing to try is electrum plugin, which postponed for later
1144668;1432558365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117500 @ 0.00029903 = 35.136 BTC [+] {2} 
1144669;1432558378;kakobrekla;the thing is made with nodejs
1144670;1432558383;kakobrekla;terrible.
1144671;1432558531;menahem;lol, the trezor is a bit of a bitch to setup. but really not that bad.
1144672;1432558613;kakobrekla;seems trivial to me
1144673;1432558617;mxtm;except when it loses all your bitcoins
1144674;1432558903;jurov;i don't give a damn about nodejs. the plugin was often not working under linux
1144675;1432559037;kakobrekla;i give a damn cause you run it on your box/server
1144676;1432559059;kakobrekla;i ran it on a server but still was tied to bop
1144677;1432559131;jurov;wait what did youran ran on own box?
1144678;1432559204;kakobrekla;https://github.com/trezor/webwallet
1144679;1432559490;jurov;aha
1144680;1432559630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133400 @ 0.00030002 = 40.0227 BTC [+] {2} 
1144681;1432559813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.0002935 = 10.8889 BTC [-]
1144682;1432559996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.0002935 = 13.413 BTC [-]
1144683;1432560240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144300 @ 0.00028829 = 41.6002 BTC [-] {2} 
1144684;1432560330;kakobrekla;unrelated, my plan is to turn off trade echoing for this chan - there is no life on havelol and i dont think anyone here is interested what mps self trading bots do. would leave it in -trades. let me know if i am mistaken.
1144685;1432560667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273387 @ 0.0002924 = 79.9384 BTC [+] {4} 
1144686;1432560911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20913 @ 0.00030533 = 6.3854 BTC [+]
1144687;1432561765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4150 @ 0.00027897 = 1.1577 BTC [+] {2} 
1144688;1432561824;jurov;yep. unless the trading bot comes here and passes the turing test :D
1144689;1432561886;kakobrekla;lol
1144690;1432562375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75287 @ 0.00030216 = 22.7487 BTC [-]
1144691;1432562379;jurov;!up Khayman
1144692;1432562403;jurov;!up TheAdversary
1144693;1432562430;jurov;Khayman: what's with TheAdversary bot?
1144694;1432562863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89250 @ 0.00030277 = 27.0222 BTC [+]
1144695;1432563107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43667 @ 0.00030644 = 13.3813 BTC [+]
1144696;1432563168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00030277 = 6.8123 BTC [-]
1144697;1432563541;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144634 << not yet, no.
1144698;1432563541;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 08:49:05; Grouper2182: Does anyone know what mistake those people made, so that their keys had common factors with other keys?
1144699;1432563665;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144684 << users by lines, last 12 months 1.) mircea_popescu  109786  2.) assbot  55544.
1144700;1432563665;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 13:25:30; kakobrekla: unrelated, my plan is to turn off trade echoing for this chan - there is no life on havelol and i dont think anyone here is interested what mps self trading bots do. would leave it in -trades. let me know if i am mistaken.
1144701;1432563678;mircea_popescu;your logic is to remove the mp selftradebots from the mp selftalking chan ?
1144702;1432563790;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what exactly are you planning, anyway ?
1144703;1432563839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00030524 = 12.2401 BTC [+]
1144704;1432564371;kakobrekla;muting all trades in -assets, leaving them in -trades
1144705;1432564393;mircea_popescu;what is the aim tho ?
1144706;1432564443;kakobrekla;being relevant
1144707;1432564480;mircea_popescu;this is your path to relevancy ?
1144708;1432564517;kakobrekla;anyway, let me know if anyone else cares for trades being in this chan.
1144709;1432564582;*;mircea_popescu is unimpressed.
1144710;1432564620;chetty;<<< likes having trade activity here
1144711;1432564827;scoopbot_revived;Porn from before you were born. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/25/porn-from-before-you-were-born/
1144712;1432564876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00030669 = 21.0389 BTC [+] {2} 
1144713;1432564936;jurov;well, i'd like trade activity... if the traders were present, too
1144714;1432565019;chetty;some of em are :)
1144715;1432565057;jurov;vocally present, i forgot to add
1144716;1432565090;chetty;well thats asking a lot, best traders tend to keep their mouths shut :P
1144717;1432565120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121313 @ 0.00030336 = 36.8015 BTC [-] {2} 
1144718;1432565123;chetty;its like playing poke, got to watch those tells
1144719;1432565232;jurov;really anyone can discern anything from this noise we have here? without even knowing who are the players?
1144720;1432565268;chetty;good point, but still a force of habit
1144721;1432565298;mircea_popescu;so what, "the world is what i personally know" ?
1144722;1432565332;chetty;absolutely!!!
1144723;1432565339;jurov;i can ask around, no?
1144724;1432565367;jurov;it'm not against having it, bur wanto to know more
1144725;1432565380;jurov;damn kbd
1144726;1432565410;chetty;well there is this, sometimes when chan is very quiet the bots let me know it is actually still up :)
1144727;1432565486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21046 @ 0.00029524 = 6.2136 BTC [-]
1144728;1432565692;jurov;kudos to lizard hitler keeping the chan alive :DDD
1144729;1432566097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135900 @ 0.00030362 = 41.262 BTC [+] {2} 
1144730;1432566523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9549 @ 0.00030241 = 2.8877 BTC [-]
1144731;1432566585;chetty;!up pete_dushenski
1144732;1432566599;pete_dushenski;thx chetty !
1144733;1432566631;pete_dushenski;so about those mpex trades... i vote to keep them.
1144734;1432566647;pete_dushenski;as chetty said, it's proof of pulse.
1144735;1432566757;pete_dushenski;and while i could see that the mpoe trades would get tiresome, though not that i much mind, i particularly like seeing when bbet/nsa/qntr/mg/eur trades go through.
1144736;1432566828;punkman;so nobody's even pretending to run a stock lolchange anymore?
1144737;1432566895;pete_dushenski;well, no one here.
1144738;1432566907;pete_dushenski;"What kinds of programs constitute malware? Operating systems, first of all." << ayup.
1144739;1432566909;punkman;I'd rather have the trades here as well
1144740;1432566915;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/22/malware-viruses-companies-preinstall
1144741;1432566975;chetty;malware-viruses-companies-preinstall// I am just shocked :P
1144742;1432566975;pete_dushenski;punkman i honestly don't see the harm. and see any number of benefits.
1144743;1432566975;pete_dushenski;chetty ikr !
1144744;1432567005;punkman;so what happened to havelock?
1144745;1432567075;pete_dushenski;it withered.
1144746;1432567135;chetty;well I sure wanna see the s.mg stocks go when eulora gets it next release :)
1144747;1432567259;pete_dushenski;exactly !
1144748;1432567268;pete_dushenski;same for cardano and s.nsa
1144749;1432568200;kakobrekla;alright then. enjoy your benefits.
1144750;1432568311;punkman;icbit is now orderbook.net and pretending to be in Dominica instead of sweden https://orderbook.net/
1144751;1432568371;punkman;"12k traders!!11"
1144752;1432568371;pete_dushenski;so icbit is different than itbit...
1144753;1432568375;pete_dushenski;and you can skype them !
1144754;1432568382;pete_dushenski;futuristic, man.
1144755;1432568432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4483 @ 0.00027898 = 1.2507 BTC [+] {3} 
1144756;1432568554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79355 @ 0.00030444 = 24.1588 BTC [+] {2} 
1144757;1432568646;chetty;!up pete_dushenski
1144758;1432568656;pete_dushenski;cheers :)
1144759;1432569182;mod6;<+kakobrekla> anyway, let me know if anyone else cares for trades being in this chan. << i like it, but maybe im just old school
1144760;1432569225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00028969 = 11.0372 BTC [-]
1144761;1432569279;kakobrekla;as stated, there is enough interest with a small rebellion on top - so they stay
1144762;1432569374;mod6;heheh, ok cool.
1144763;1432569530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00028969 = 8.0824 BTC [-]
1144764;1432569915;pete_dushenski;"In the next 5 years, half of computer science students will become women, which will lead to more female founders and CEOs." << i lolered
1144765;1432569943;pete_dushenski;via Rebecca Lynn of Canvas Venture Fund
1144766;1432570141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00028418 = 35.082 BTC [-]
1144767;1432571604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74582 @ 0.00029686 = 22.1404 BTC [+] {3} 
1144768;1432571665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46150 @ 0.00028246 = 13.0355 BTC [-]
1144769;1432571909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145729 @ 0.00030447 = 44.3701 BTC [+] {4} 
1144770;1432573312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27271 @ 0.00030852 = 8.4136 BTC [+]
1144771;1432574715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152150 @ 0.0002975 = 45.2646 BTC [-] {2} 
1144772;1432575997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91750 @ 0.00029915 = 27.447 BTC [+] {2} 
1144773;1432577338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00029277 = 33.8735 BTC [-] {3} 
1144774;1432577521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00030319 = 15.2808 BTC [+] {2} 
1144775;1432578128;mod6;;;bc,stats
1144776;1432578132;gribble;Current Blocks: 357998 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 849 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47551810320.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.57271
1144777;1432578314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00030615 = 19.5018 BTC [+]
1144778;1432579229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21801 @ 0.00030615 = 6.6744 BTC [+]
1144779;1432579244;danielpbarron;!up Peter_Geschel
1144780;1432579253;Peter_Geschel;thx
1144781;1432579275;danielpbarron;so do you GPG?
1144782;1432579282;Peter_Geschel;yes i do :)
1144783;1432579351;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1144784;1432579411;Peter_Geschel;thx
1144785;1432579533;Peter_Geschel;!register 2F13A45085FBE5A7E22E16211AA79029251E74D6
1144786;1432579533;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 2F13A45085FBE5A7E22E16211AA79029251E74D6. This may take a few moments.
1144787;1432579533;assbot;Key 251E74D6 / "Peter Geschel <peter@geschel.de>" successfully imported.
1144788;1432579533;assbot;Registration successful.
1144789;1432579905;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Peter_Geschel.1:80b5b38ad211dafeba60e6b13178152d2ec14d5dc5ff3f6c165290d8bbce5573
1144790;1432579905;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Peter_Geschel with note: found in -otc
1144791;1432580143;Peter_Geschel;the next step is to read 6 months of logs?
1144792;1432580153;Peter_Geschel;is there a quiz after that?
1144793;1432580154;Peter_Geschel;:D
1144794;1432580195;jurov;https://www.xing.com/profile/Peter_Geschel is that you?
1144795;1432580255;Peter_Geschel;yes thats me
1144796;1432580270;Peter_Geschel;photo is a little bit out of date
1144797;1432580275;jurov;lol quiz
1144798;1432580468;chetty;welcome aboard, and no quiz but it might feel like a grilling sometimes :P
1144799;1432580682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103100 @ 0.00029957 = 30.8857 BTC [+] {2} 
1144800;1432581812;danielpbarron;!up ascii_modem
1144801;1432581859;ascii_modem;kakobrekla: kill tradebot stats - yes!!
1144802;1432581883;ascii_modem;pure noise imho
1144803;1432582295;danielpbarron;!up DanielBTC
1144804;1432582318;danielpbarron;!up grubles
1144805;1432582341;danielpbarron;i kinda like the trades in channel, but I don't feel strongly about it
1144806;1432582443;grubles;so i use gribble to add a rating to the separate -assets wot?
1144807;1432582449;danielpbarron;!h
1144808;1432582449;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1144809;1432582542;grubles;mk
1144810;1432582594;mxtm;personally i feel like it would have been better if there was a fresh start
1144811;1432582603;mxtm;because ratings change
1144812;1432582611;mxtm;for example, happzz (markus) has a -1 on me which he removed
1144813;1432582615;ascii_modem;so change them...?
1144814;1432582625;mxtm;i can't change happzz's rating of me
1144815;1432582642;ascii_modem;ask him?
1144816;1432582654;mxtm;hm does he come in here
1144817;1432582659;mxtm;!gt markus
1144818;1432582659;assbot;Trust relationship from user mxtm to user markus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mxtm&to=markus | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/markus/
1144819;1432582661;grubles;!rate mircea_popescu -10 "scammer. listed my company on MPOE without my authorization: http://bit.ly/14AIMA9 (notice the lack of my gpg sig)"
1144820;1432582661;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: D191CE495914F681F7CA94EB31040DE39974C0B2. This may take a few moments.
1144821;1432582662;assbot;Key 9974C0B2 / "Grubles <wdanny863@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
1144822;1432582662;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c2257fbb218b0030
1144823;1432582722;grubles;!verify assbot:grubles.rate.mircea_popescu.-10:5e6fd36eb45188435c11b490147dc5894dc8157c062d19ea610315fbbe2f7a87
1144824;1432582722;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -10 for mircea_popescu with note: "scammer. listed my company on MPOE without my authorization: http://bit.ly/14AIMA9 (notice the lack of my gpg sig)"
1144825;1432582722;mxtm;what was the date of the fork?
1144826;1432582756;grubles;mk have a nice day, yall.
1144827;1432582850;jurov;!t m s.bvps
1144828;1432582850;assbot;Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun.
1144829;1432582920;danielpbarron;mxtm, I found this in the search -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2015#979820
1144830;1432582920;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2015 00:45:11; assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1f7f6d235233d678
1144831;1432582965;mxtm;cool
1144832;1432583017;fluffypony;wait grubles = rg?
1144833;1432583030;fluffypony;and he's calling someone a scammer?
1144834;1432583038;jurov;no, rg is another fella
1144835;1432583042;mod6;they're two different people
1144836;1432583045;fluffypony;oh
1144837;1432583048;*;fluffypony shews
1144838;1432583070;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-01-2015#970851
1144839;1432583070;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2015 04:39:16; assbot: Logged on 23-12-2014 19:47:34; mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
1144840;1432583111;fluffypony;tbh I was always under the impression rg was the owner too
1144841;1432583503;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144802 < i agree
1144842;1432583503;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 19:24:43; ascii_modem: pure noise imho
1144843;1432583522;kakobrekla;however its just me and you.
1144844;1432583698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99450 @ 0.00029304 = 29.1428 BTC [-] {2} 
1144845;1432584033;danielpbarron;!up shinohai
1144846;1432584060;shinohai;thanx and greetings
1144847;1432584200;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1144848;1432584955;shinohai;Is the 0.5.3 client project still being undertaken by anyone here?
1144849;1432584994;danielpbarron;yes
1144850;1432585026;danielpbarron;on a related note, my pogo running 0.5.3.x is now a full node
1144851;1432585036;mod6;fully sync'd 'eh?
1144852;1432585043;danielpbarron;and keeping up
1144853;1432585047;mod6;nice!
1144854;1432585050;shinohai;Sources?
1144855;1432585056;danielpbarron;the solid state drive handles it no problem so far
1144856;1432585122;BingoBoingo;shinohai: http://thebitcoin.foundation/
1144857;1432585182;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1144858;1432585182;BingoBoingo;<kakobrekla> as stated, there is enough interest with a small rebellion on top - so they stay << Maybe raise the limit? Perhaps 1BTC is nao too small and spammy, but 100 BTC is ok.
1144859;1432585227;mod6;I still like them in channel, but if it must go because of "noise" i propose the construction of: log.trades.bitcoin-assets.com so people can follow the trades via http if they wish.
1144860;1432585239;danielpbarron;!up felipelalli
1144861;1432585256;shinohai;This is running on a testnet node atm?
1144862;1432585276;danielpbarron;no
1144863;1432585280;danielpbarron;the real deal
1144864;1432585289;mod6;shinohai: no, runs on mainnet
1144865;1432585298;shinohai;O.o
1144866;1432585312;felipelalli;I'm willing to pay 0.1 BTC to proofreading a raw-translated text into a 'native' text one: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hSQFu4fi with 4275 words. Original: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/a-fabulosa-ilha-bitcoin/ - I don't want anything super-professional, just easy to read. Anyone interested to help me?
1144867;1432585433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.0002936 = 8.5731 BTC [+]
1144868;1432585433;shinohai;I will give building it a go. Found the instructions.
1144869;1432585497;mod6;shinohai: yeah, you should be able to just pull down v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, extract the archive and all the details you need should be in the README.txt file.
1144870;1432585499;BingoBoingo;shinohai: testnet has diverged so much from mainnet it isn''t really fit for testing anymoar
1144871;1432585528;felipelalli;danielpbarron: are you really interested?
1144872;1432585531;danielpbarron;ya
1144873;1432585546;danielpbarron;if nobody else wants to do it, I can
1144874;1432585577;shinohai;I may as well educate myself for the coming revolution.
1144875;1432585640;mod6;Welcome to #b-a, you'll probably wanna get in the WoT if not alreday.
1144876;1432585721;shinohai;I'm registered and such, I think I have done one otc trade. xD
1144877;1432585738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84300 @ 0.00029403 = 24.7867 BTC [+] {2} 
1144878;1432585742;danielpbarron;!gettrust shinohai
1144879;1432585742;assbot;shinohai is not registered in WoT.
1144880;1432585753;shinohai;oh WoT HERE
1144881;1432585756;shinohai;well
1144882;1432585775;mod6;yeah it's quick to get into asswot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
1144883;1432586029;felipelalli;deedbot-: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DSGdStPc
1144884;1432586089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103305 @ 0.00029508 = 30.4832 BTC [+]
1144885;1432586089;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1144886;1432587248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130550 @ 0.00028978 = 37.8308 BTC [-] {2} 
1144887;1432587797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105200 @ 0.00030599 = 32.1901 BTC [+] {3} 
1144888;1432589147;ben_vulpes;<ascii_modem> pure noise imho << aye, but let people /ignore assbot themselves
1144889;1432589158;ben_vulpes;but one coculd*
1144890;1432589173;ben_vulpes;besides, it gives the chan this nice feeling of inhabitedness even during the dark lonely hours
1144891;1432589261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00029233 = 23.0356 BTC [-]
1144892;1432589566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 175 @ 0.00666 = 1.1655 BTC [-]
1144893;1432589627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00030359 = 22.1014 BTC [+] {3} 
1144894;1432589932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19810 @ 0.00028948 = 5.7346 BTC [-]
1144895;1432590172;felipelalli;Anyone has the public key of info@bitbet.us? I can't find it on GPG servers.
1144896;1432590298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125150 @ 0.00029991 = 37.5337 BTC [+] {2} 
1144897;1432591207;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: that'd be mircea_popescu or kakobrekla
1144898;1432591230;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: thank you.
1144899;1432591675;kakobrekla;i dont think such thing exists
1144900;1432591782;felipelalli;which "thing" exactly?
1144901;1432591893;felipelalli;I think I made some shit on bitbet.us :/ I just sent you an email kakobrekla
1144902;1432591983;kakobrekla;aha got it, hold on
1144903;1432592048;kakobrekla;felipelalli this should answer your questions https://bitbet.us/propositions/
1144904;1432592108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.00030367 = 9.5504 BTC [+]
1144905;1432592108;felipelalli;I tried to find hard this page!! :D I'm sorry.
1144906;1432592108;kakobrekla;its under 'new bet' and then 'show recent propositions' on top.
1144907;1432592124;felipelalli;wow! It is really hard.
1144908;1432592134;felipelalli;I feel better now! :)
1144909;1432592138;kakobrekla;i sucks at ui
1144910;1432592165;felipelalli;I sent 0.1 BTC to funding address. Can I use it to bet?
1144911;1432592263;kakobrekla;your proposition is 'pending' approval - if approved it will be placed on the side you picked, if declined, you will get a refund to the address you specified when creating the proposition.
1144912;1432592288;felipelalli;But I did not picked any side, at least I don't remember. Did I?
1144913;1432592309;kakobrekla;the color of the amount says you picked 'yes'
1144914;1432592329;kakobrekla;you need to select 'yes' or 'no' when creating the proposition, there is no third option.
1144915;1432592340;felipelalli;Ah! That's correct. I guess today I am with some kind of amnesia. Sorry to bother.
1144916;1432592352;kakobrekla;no problem
1144917;1432592437;felipelalli;Why don't you put the GPG of bitbet.us on https://bitbet.us/gpg.txt ? Or your GPG? And/or a link to it on the main page? It would be nice!
1144918;1432592497;kakobrekla;because nobody really uses it, its just for show!
1144919;1432592531;felipelalli;Am I nobody? :D
1144920;1432592599;kakobrekla;anyway felipelalli , considering only I get to read the stuff that people read should go to @bitbet.us, you can use my key. if anyone will ask for it via email, they can also use my key.
1144921;1432592613;kakobrekla;people think*
1144922;1432592638;kakobrekla;anyway gotta run brb
1144923;1432592683;felipelalli;Thank you kakobrekla!
1144924;1432592802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00029943 = 10.4052 BTC [-]
1144925;1432593607;kakobrekla;felipelalli still here?
1144926;1432593654;felipelalli;kakobrekla: yes.
1144927;1432593667;kakobrekla;only now i noticed you made the bet private with pass protection, for those, initial bet needs to be 5btc or more iirc
1144928;1432593729;felipelalli;kakobrekla: I'm sorry, I misundertood that. I thought this password was only to have a chance to change the bet if it was rejected or something.
1144929;1432593735;kakobrekla;so as it is now, it will get rejected and refunded prolly.
1144930;1432593745;felipelalli;Thank you, I'll try again.
1144931;1432593755;kakobrekla;no need to apologize
1144932;1432593777;kakobrekla;mod/s will take care of it
1144933;1432593788;felipelalli;Can I have access to the original text? I can see only the title there.
1144934;1432593870;kakobrekla;you can get it by hovering your mouse over the title of the proposition here https://bitbet.us/propositions/ , here is the dump http://dpaste.com/12RPTW4.txt
1144935;1432593997;kakobrekla;unrelated "Also you can look at my address in (website hidden) maps and then enable streetview and it will show you exactly the correct spot." < "(website hidden)" is auto censored google link on airbnb
1144936;1432594112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191000 @ 0.00029943 = 57.1911 BTC [-]
1144937;1432594129;felipelalli;thanks again!
1144938;1432594173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00029825 = 10.4089 BTC [-]
1144939;1432594188;kakobrekla;and this is how the exchange of the contact goes through pms: "You +18 can 08 contact 26 me 22 here 1 or 44 on WhatsApp. (My number is in that sentence.)"
1144940;1432594191;kakobrekla;great biz model
1144941;1432594195;kakobrekla;felipelalli welcome.
1144942;1432594212;felipelalli;ahhahaha only now I noticed the stupidness I did before: "PLACE YOUR BET ON" YES / NO. I dynamic-read: "Accept / agree YES/NO" ahahh It was YES by chance.
1144943;1432594440;kakobrekla;aha yes, reading. very important.
1144944;1432594600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00029825 = 2.5053 BTC [-]
1144945;1432596247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.00028941 = 16.4964 BTC [-]
1144946;1432596872;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144802 << apparently this is not obvious, but the principal reason i'm here is that convenient packaging of mpex tickers.
1144947;1432596872;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 19:24:43; ascii_modem: pure noise imho
1144948;1432596894;mircea_popescu;why this wouldn't be directly obvious is a little concerning as to the qual of the thought process that went into all of that discussion, but whatever.
1144949;1432597084;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144792 << lol
1144950;1432597084;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 18:55:53; Peter_Geschel: is there a quiz after that?
1144951;1432597284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00028736 = 17.3565 BTC [-]
1144952;1432597456;mircea_popescu;!rated grubbles
1144953;1432597456;assbot;grubbles is not registered in WoT.
1144954;1432597462;mircea_popescu;lol mkay.
1144955;1432597467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113700 @ 0.00028941 = 32.9059 BTC [+]
1144956;1432597490;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144814 << nobody really gives a shit about the ratings of people they don't know. and if they do, they're doing it terribru wrong.
1144957;1432597490;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 19:37:05; mxtm: i can't change happzz's rating of me
1144958;1432597564;mxtm;true
1144959;1432597565;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144833 << nah, just one of his random junkie friends coming up with passive-agressive bullshit.
1144960;1432597565;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 19:43:50; fluffypony: and he's calling someone a scammer?
1144961;1432597608;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144850 << hey wd. what was it in the end, like 6 weeks or so ?
1144962;1432597608;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 20:17:06; danielpbarron: on a related note, my pogo running 0.5.3.x is now a full node
1144963;1432597801;mod6;<@assbot> Key 9974C0B2 / "Grubles <wdanny863@gmail.com>" successfully imported << apparently, only one 'b'.
1144964;1432597827;mircea_popescu;ah ty
1144965;1432597832;mircea_popescu;!rated grubles
1144966;1432597832;assbot;You rated user grubles on 23-Dec-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault..
1144967;1432597849;mircea_popescu;o look at that. already done the work. kay then.
1144968;1432598303;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144865 << this is pretty hysterical for me, ftr. "oh, we've been pretending like power rangers matter and b-a doesn't exist for however long, fancy that it wasn'treally the case o.O".
1144969;1432598303;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 20:21:38; shinohai: O.o
1144970;1432598305;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1144971;1432598339;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144866 << care to help the man ?
1144972;1432598339;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 20:21:52; felipelalli: I'm willing to pay 0.1 BTC to proofreading a raw-translated text into a 'native' text one: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hSQFu4fi with 4275 words. Original: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/a-fabulosa-ilha-bitcoin/ - I don't want anything super-professional, just easy to read. Anyone interested to help me?
1144973;1432598451;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I bet danielpbarron is already working on it. Thank you so much!
1144974;1432598515;mircea_popescu;a cool
1144975;1432599222;mircea_popescu;!gettrust shinohai
1144976;1432599225;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user shinohai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=shinohai | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/shinohai/
1144977;1432599477;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144895 << i dun think there's a dedicated key for that.
1144978;1432599477;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 21:42:52; felipelalli: Anyone has the public key of info@bitbet.us? I can't find it on GPG servers.
1144979;1432599503;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144909 << eh it's fine srsly.
1144980;1432599503;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 22:15:38; kakobrekla: i sucks at ui
1144981;1432599551;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144961 << more like 14
1144982;1432599551;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 23:46:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144850 << hey wd. what was it in the end, like 6 weeks or so ?
1144983;1432599604;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144917 << the idea is that key/identity maintenance is expensive, and so people don't generally want to do it unless needed, which reduces to, unless some woman spent 9 months with it in the oven and then what came out was smart enough to bother. if you want to / need to pgp, use either of our sigs.
1144984;1432599604;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 22:20:37; felipelalli: Why don't you put the GPG of bitbet.us on https://bitbet.us/gpg.txt ? Or your GPG? And/or a link to it on the main page? It would be nice!
1144985;1432599608;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron a right you are.
1144986;1432599650;mircea_popescu;otherwise the "identities of things" makes exponentially less sense than the "internet of things"
1144987;1432599791;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144939 << lmao fuckwits. "oh, we're a social media company, people love to communicate with each other and they will be using our platform to do so. because we prevent them from doing it. BUSINESS MODEL!"
1144988;1432599791;assbot;Logged on 25-05-2015 22:49:48; kakobrekla: and this is how the exchange of the contact goes through pms: "You +18 can 08 contact 26 me 22 here 1 or 44 on WhatsApp. (My number is in that sentence.)"
1144989;1432600743;*;asciilifeform back to cockpit
1144990;1432601102;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/616c6aa760d417597aca2417f99935b3/tumblr_mz7nnnrJ651rmm9buo5_400.gif
1144991;1432601254;asciilifeform;piss-poor logz
1144992;1432601257;asciilifeform;shame on you lot.
1144993;1432601422;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something.
1144994;1432601422;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1144995;1432601445;mircea_popescu;kinda sad how peoples go retarded over time. apparently a history of sanity is no ward against ulterior rampaging idiocy.
1144996;1432601470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik it was u.s. occupation that did it
1144997;1432601584;BingoBoingo;U.S. occupation introduced all kinds of retardation on the Japanese. Panties are one mircea_popescu would probably find Japan better without.
1144998;1432601586;mircea_popescu;eh, the german occupation didn't make the french queasingly quisling, nor did the russian occupation make the romanians poltrons.
1144999;1432601617;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Models-of-Couples-Ehon-tsui-no-hinagata-Katsushika-Hokusai-1812.jpg << because check out the easy direct accessibility that was obvious;y the norm.
1145000;1432601677;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1144993 <<< which gave birth to bukkake so it's not all bad
1145001;1432601677;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something.
1145002;1432601677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'makes' in the sense that herbicide creates resistant weeds etc
1145003;1432601677;mircea_popescu;clearly hokusai lived very much like i do.
1145004;1432601677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose "selected for idiocy".
1145005;1432601706;mircea_popescu;cazalla that's a point.
1145006;1432601737;asciilifeform;bare cunt was the standard there << wai wat - i distinctly recall these people having had clothing
1145007;1432601765;mircea_popescu;for the genre.
1145008;1432601838;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the lolz lists, not only does wikipedia have bad purpose-drawn "illustrations" on the topic, because yeah totally you gotta make another one to illustrate the point, but also they have MULTIPLE, equally bad, ones. like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Wikibukkake_new.png/220px-Wikibukkake_new.png and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Wiki-bukkake-2.png/220px-W
1145009;1432601958;mircea_popescu;iki-bukkake-2.png etc.
1145010;1432601958;mircea_popescu;(2nd is on spanish wikipedia. because faulklands or some shit)
1145011;1432602869;mod6;alright, have the v0.5.3 Original nmon results up -- I'm moving all of these results in to a more organized dir structure.. (the originals will remain for now since it seems people are still looking at them); one can navigate all of these charts by release & by date tested here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/
1145012;1432603394;scoopbot_revived;Ulbricht to be Sentenced Friday http://qntra.net/2015/05/ulbricht-to-be-sentenced-friday/
1145013;1432605518;danielpbarron;!up adyop
1145014;1432605853;danielpbarron;;;later tell felipelalli http://danielpbarron.com/felipelalli.txt send to address at the top of the file (assuming you approve of my work)
1145015;1432605913;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1145016;1432606035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00028907 = 16.6793 BTC [-]
1145017;1432607247;danielpbarron;!up Michail1
1145018;1432607274;Michail1;?
1145019;1432607275;danielpbarron;what's up?
1145020;1432607288;Michail1;I PMed ya.  Not for channel.
1145021;1432607333;danielpbarron;I think we have a relationship but I can't recall clearly because i wasn't able to rate you
1145022;1432607361;danielpbarron;your nickname had some gribble magic on it or something
1145023;1432607361;Michail1;Yea.  Gribble has an issue with me.
1145024;1432607367;Michail1;yes
1145025;1432607382;danielpbarron;you are of course ratable now under assbot, but i don't recall what i would have rated
1145026;1432607398;danielpbarron;something positive, for busting scammers in -otc i think
1145027;1432607405;Michail1;It's all good.  I don't need a rating.
1145028;1432607408;Michail1;Heh.  yup.
1145029;1432607414;Michail1;which is why I pmed you.
1145030;1432607442;danielpbarron;is adyop a scammer?
1145031;1432607458;danielpbarron;it's very common for new names to show up in here and then leave after someone gives them voice
1145032;1432607461;danielpbarron;people are very timid
1145033;1432607475;Michail1;yes
1145034;1432607488;danielpbarron;yes he's a scammer?
1145035;1432607565;Michail1;yes
1145036;1432607578;Michail1;bad IP.   :)
1145037;1432607587;*;danielpbarron doesn't think scammers will have much luck in here
1145038;1432607622;Michail1;I didn't think so either.  I rarely watch the channel.  Saw him come in.  got voice.  Just was wondering.
1145039;1432607752;danielpbarron;considering that the channel isn't too active at the moment, I little chat from a known scammer might be nice
1145040;1432607787;Michail1;Heh.  He likes to talk, but rarely in channel.  His English is getting way better than it was only 6 months ago.
1145041;1432607821;danielpbarron;lol he scammed someone for 10 ?
1145042;1432607834;Michail1;yes
1145043;1432607837;danielpbarron;how is there still 10 bitcoin to steal in -otc ??
1145044;1432607856;Michail1;No one has less than 10, rite?  heh
1145045;1432607891;danielpbarron;yeah but someone with > 10 who also falls for scams on irc ?
1145046;1432607902;Michail1;Very rare.
1145047;1432607932;Michail1;I forget which nick he was squatting when he scored the 10.   I could check.
1145048;1432608003;Michail1;Ahh, he scammed    Tabaza
1145049;1432608059;Michail1;wow, been 2 months already.
1145050;1432608098;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Michail1.2:d0da769214e282574adbd19452233d8f571f506a6f0ea0ac57f9ec5239aad192
1145051;1432608099;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for Michail1 with note: scam hunter
1145052;1432608170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66400 @ 0.00028941 = 19.2168 BTC [+]
1145053;1432608234;Michail1;serbian was squatting as EPiSKiNG-
1145054;1432608257;Michail1;correction ---- Blazedout4l9
1145055;1432608343;danielpbarron;always check dat gpg !
1145056;1432608384;Michail1;Ahhh, but he did.   He manually typed in the nick insted of copy/pasted.
1145057;1432608389;Michail1;Blazedout4l9 != Blazedout419
1145058;1432608406;danielpbarron;he couldn't have checked the gpg
1145059;1432608421;danielpbarron;or else he would have found that the sig didn't match
1145060;1432608448;Michail1;He checked to see the Blazedout419 was online and gpg authed, but didn't realized that the squatter was using the nick Blazedout4l9
1145061;1432608462;danielpbarron;there's the problem; there is no such thing as being "authed"
1145062;1432608469;danielpbarron;or at least, not any sort of persistant state
1145063;1432608473;Michail1;Blazedout419 was in the channel while Blazedout4l9 wasn't.   So, he right clicked the nick he SAW in the channel to see it was authed.
1145064;1432608537;decimation;asciilifeform: lulz > http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/07/03/thawing-out/ < That?s a further deterrent to the study of these books, given that many of them are undeniably more complex than their literary predecessors. Bely?s Petersburg, for example, is a masterpiece considered by many critics to be a precursor to the postmodern novel, but it?s a behemoth of a book that requires a linguistic and mathematical genius to fully comp
1145065;1432608597;danielpbarron;he should better have generated a hash of some unique string relating to that specific deal and had Blazedout4l9 sign it with an address
1145066;1432608597;Michail1;yup
1145067;1432608597;danielpbarron;and by sign it with an address i mean include a bitcoin address in the gpg signed block of text
1145068;1432608597;decimation;" And technique aside, these books are difficult because they don?t subscribe to a neat, binary way of thinking, i.e., Soviet Union equals bad, democracy equals good ...  In One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, Solzhenitsyn satirizes the evil absurdity and unnecessary suffering of the gulag, and yet he extols the discipline and work ethic that it engenders; since human nature is so lazy and depraved, he muses, perhaps it?s benefici
1145069;1432608623;decimation;my hypothesis (floating around here awhile) - nobody wants to read about soviet times because they will recognize them as being depressingly familiar
1145070;1432608658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27927 @ 0.00028941 = 8.0824 BTC [+]
1145071;1432609207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62800 @ 0.00028941 = 18.1749 BTC [+]
1145072;1432609660;decimation;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/05/25/u-s-versus-german-infrastructure-spending-and-results/ < "?Quality, Not Just Quantity, of Infrastructure Needs Attention? (Wall Street Journal, May 20, 2015) has some interesting data. The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation, 52 percent of GDP on ?public capital stock? (infrastructure such as roads, bridges, train tracks, etc.) while the Germans have spent just 35 percent of GDP. What
1145073;1432610033;ben_vulpes;not depreciation?
1145074;1432610091;danielpbarron;!up referredbyloper
1145075;1432610096;decimation;ben_vulpes: eh?
1145076;1432610101;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2015/05/Guccifer-Ariana-Rockeller-Brand.pdf << lulzies. nobody cancelled the original lizards.
1145077;1432610161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14146 @ 0.00028941 = 4.094 BTC [+]
1145078;1432610469;decimation;asciilifeform: that presentation is hilarious. 'imma fashionable heiress can i haz ur moneyz'
1145079;1432610486;asciilifeform;decimation: my understanding is that the thing was leaked. was prepared by a pr firm
1145080;1432610496;asciilifeform;as a prospectus.
1145081;1432610566;decimation;is this what passes as 'business' in new york?
1145082;1432610604;asciilifeform;damned if i know. especially mystifying is the fact that someone, somewhere - pays for the service described in the document.
1145083;1432610739;decimation;for me, if a pr firm submits a proposal in the form of powerpoint - automatic blacklist
1145084;1432610928;asciilifeform;for all we know, this was inscribed on panda skin by virgins before being presented.
1145085;1432610979;mod6;i only accept 2d powerpoints
1145086;1432611413;decimation;mod6: with or without 'transition animations'?
1145087;1432611440;mod6;with are preferred, ofc.
1145088;1432611522;ben_vulpes;decimation: "The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecationThe U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation"
1145089;1432611529;ben_vulpes;herp derp
1145090;1432611767;decimation;ah yes a common misspelling
1145091;1432611858;decimation;although one wonders if he really mean depreciation?  does he mean us infrastructure rots faster?
1145092;1432612046;decimation;!up adyop
1145093;1432613042;mircea_popescu;Michail1> Heh.  He likes to talk, but rarely in channel.  His English is getting way better than it was only 6 months ago. << i wonder if anyone ever studied the interplay between so called "immigration" law and "scamming".
1145094;1432613124;mircea_popescu;decimation that sounbds a little like trilema if i do say so myself :D
1145095;1432613178;decimation;heh maybe greenspun reads you
1145096;1432613225;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> not depreciation? <<  this is a particularly cogent question. the us fudges EVERYTHING, including the actual expenditure on infrastructure through, counting depreciation, counting future "financial costs" etc etc etc. half the political machine in the us works on pork contracts, which are all "infrastructure". that famous bridge in alaska was not even 1% of 1%.
1145097;1432613299;mircea_popescu;a butthole-issued "20 to 25% gdp" is a much more reliable statistic than whatever the miniprop publishes. and it's definitely under germany. one needs but take a walk around detroit and frankfurt to see.
1145098;1432613316;decimation;yeah the best comment on greenspun's article: "This is a subject and comparison that has been written about at length. German roads last longer because they are built substantially better than most U.S. roads. The German system of road construction relies on large long-term contracts with national companies that must build and maintain the roadway and are responsible for repairing any design and engineering defects. There is a powerfu
1145099;1432613382;decimation;the us political system 'selects for' low-bid crony incompetents while strangling anyone with a clue
1145100;1432613565;mircea_popescu;!up Michail1
1145101;1432613645;mircea_popescu;decimation it's a mystery tho. france could also have good infrastructure. itdoes not. i doubt it's the "political" anything, they're about as equally retarded.
1145102;1432614859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00028907 = 14.4246 BTC [-]
1145103;1432614963;trinque;at least in the american case I think there's a tacit understanding that at least one color of the two is there to loot the federal government, certainly not to do anything constructive
1145104;1432614981;trinque;the fact that the "red states" tend to take more federal money lines up with that
1145105;1432615011;trinque;and of course the second of the two colors are also there to loot, but they dress it up as something constructive
1145106;1432615048;trinque;any idiot off the street will tell you that this "pork" is how it is, has been, will be
1145107;1432615056;trinque;matter-of-fact-ly
1145108;1432615225;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg
1145109;1432616262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131750 @ 0.00028863 = 38.027 BTC [-] {2} 
1145110;1432616506;ben_vulpes;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34143564/
1145111;1432616566;ben_vulpes;"so I poisoned the DNS and rejected all outbound connection attempts on port 8333, to force all the wallets to connect to a single local full node, which had connectivity to a single remote node over the Internet. Thus, all the lightweight wallets at the festival had Bitcoin network connectivity, but we only needed to backhaul the Bitcoin network's transaction traffic once."
1145112;1432616566;ben_vulpes;spv's bad, mk?
1145113;1432616566;ben_vulpes;moreover, bitcoining on other peoples networks is bad, mk?
1145114;1432616749;trinque;ben_vulpes: they're seriously thinking of using that avahi turd in their bitcoind?
1145115;1432616761;trinque;or some reimplementation thereof?
1145116;1432616853;ben_vulpes;dude bitcoin-development 2015 is turning into bitcointalk.org 2012
1145117;1432616947;trinque;ah no nevermind
1145118;1432616958;trinque;zeroconf looks to be "zero confirmation txn" in this usage
1145119;1432616982;trinque;it also refers to the 169.254 autoconfig IPs and various other poetteringisms seen in avahi and bonjour
1145120;1432617267;ben_vulpes;no no, someone thinks that's a grand idea
1145121;1432617305;ben_vulpes;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34143498/ << because a .conf file's too hard.
1145122;1432617891;trinque;oh good
1145123;1432617931;trinque;"web of things" is the new web 2.0
1145124;1432617949;trinque;hordes of mouthbreathing visioneers incoming
1145125;1432618097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18813 @ 0.00028941 = 5.4447 BTC [+]
1145126;1432619455;ben_vulpes;"The net result was that all Bitcoin nodes (lightweight and heavyweight) on the local Wi-Fi network were unable to connect to any Bitcoin nodes except for the local node, which they discovered via DNS." << and this is an argument for dns in core *how*?
1145127;1432621208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65881 @ 0.00028863 = 19.0152 BTC [-] {2} 
1145128;1432621513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23979 @ 0.00028941 = 6.9398 BTC [+]
1145129;1432622306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60450 @ 0.00029213 = 17.6593 BTC [+] {3} 
1145130;1432625019;scoopbot_revived;Even educated fleas do it ! http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/26/even-educated-fleas-do-it/
1145131;1432625173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162919 @ 0.00028758 = 46.8522 BTC [-] {2} 
1145132;1432625966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00028736 = 1.0632 BTC [-]
1145133;1432627430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75962 @ 0.00029563 = 22.4566 BTC [+] {4} 
1145134;1432627491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18088 @ 0.00029943 = 5.4161 BTC [+]
1145135;1432628467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00028736 = 18.1324 BTC [-]
1145136;1432630799;mircea_popescu;<trinque> matter-of-fact-ly << only a problem in places which insist on pretending like there is or should be a difference between money and politics.
1145137;1432630820;mircea_popescu;great way to keep the idiot sons employed, sure. but ideally you don't wantthem employed in congress, if at all possible.
1145138;1432630866;mircea_popescu;avahi wait wut
1145139;1432630992;mircea_popescu;in other news, this is why the girl should be taller than you : http://31.media.tumblr.com/20c2f2e3dd873ef89624ae370538a6da/tumblr_mub7xj0noX1sjfxgho1_400.gif
1145140;1432631052;mircea_popescu;best explanation ever.
1145141;1432631746;mircea_popescu;http://8ch.net/btc/res/326.html lol
1145142;1432632064;chetty;the guy spoke to SATOSHI so I'm pretty sure we should just trust what he says./// rolling eyes
1145143;1432632366;fluffypony;meh, I spoke to Satoshi too
1145144;1432632377;fluffypony;he makes an excellent Salmon California Roll
1145145;1432632468;mircea_popescu;fucking cheese.
1145146;1432632475;mircea_popescu;who puts cheese in fish i want to know.
1145147;1432632532;cazalla;trying to think of a cheese/fish combo but can't think of anything that might taste nice
1145148;1432632550;cazalla;some sorta cheese sauce on white fish mebe
1145149;1432632562;mircea_popescu;smoked salmon works with a variety of harder cheeses, but i like my sushi rawq
1145150;1432632735;cazalla;i do love blue cheese sauce with some chilli on a schnitty
1145151;1432632764;cazalla;and i do make the best crumbed schnitty in australia
1145152;1432632783;fluffypony;all jokes aside, I must agree
1145153;1432632791;fluffypony;I eat sashimi over everything else
1145154;1432632798;fluffypony;salmon and eel sashimi preferred
1145155;1432632821;mircea_popescu;tuna and salmon
1145156;1432632827;mircea_popescu;dunno about teh eel. i like it cooked.
1145157;1432632832;chetty;ooo eel, havent has that in sooo long, now I am drooling
1145158;1432632884;fluffypony;eel sashimi is cooked
1145159;1432632890;fluffypony;otherwise afair it's poisonous
1145160;1432632944;cazalla;more fugu!
1145161;1432633411;mircea_popescu;i suppose it depends on the eel
1145162;1432633811;cazalla;never had it, never even seen it for sale here at the fish markets
1145163;1432633846;cazalla;there are some local eels not far from here but all the run off from the gutters run into the lake so i'm not game to eat from it (some old fucks catch their eels there and eat em)
1145164;1432633951;mircea_popescu;all fish lives off shit. that's what it is.
1145165;1432634050;cazalla;mind you i considered bagging a few ducks from the same lake
1145166;1432634137;mircea_popescu;heh
1145167;1432635236;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://i.imgur.com/x3aDjLs.gifv
1145168;1432635373;cazalla;i like turtles
1145169;1432635645;scoopbot_revived;The Producers http://trilema.com/2015/the-producers/
1145170;1432635938;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VputHxyjL00
1145171;1432636412;cazalla;LD is like kryptonite to even the most hardened acolyte of /pol/
1145172;1432637466;cazalla;hot patootie, bless my soul!
1145173;1432639834;cazalla;copypaste, captchas? wtf
1145174;1432639850;cazalla;how am i meant to shit post?
1145175;1432640848;cazalla;this slivivitz is quote nivcer but i think i rather the cherry i had last week
1145176;1432640907;cazalla;ya squat while ya drink it top kek lulz
1145177;1432640930;cazalla;http://i2.wp.com/weirdrussia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/gopnik.jpg
1145178;1432642532;cazalla;copypaste, seriously the captcha is driving me insane
1145179;1432642682;cazalla;ah well wait till tonight, she got hers, now he'll get his
1145180;1432642811;cazalla;don't tell me to stfu and can it
1145181;1432642813;cazalla;janet
1145182;1432642912;cazalla;oh damnit
1145183;1432642930;cazalla;i married a woman more frigid than janet, damnit
1145184;1432642978;mircea_popescu;eh you ever heard that "there's no such thing as frigid women, just unskilled men" ?
1145185;1432643046;cazalla;exception that proves the rule
1145186;1432643049;cazalla;ya heard that one?
1145187;1432643126;mircea_popescu;hehe
1145188;1432643161;mircea_popescu;so whadda ya do all day ?
1145189;1432643189;cazalla;me or her?
1145190;1432643216;cazalla;me.. read logs, look for news, look for work, stare out the window and think of what might be if i had not got her pregnant
1145191;1432643244;cazalla;her.. cry, whinge, complain because kid pulls her hair, her washing off the clothes horse, food out her hand/mouth
1145192;1432643255;cazalla;i mean god forbid, the poor woman is stuck reading books all day long
1145193;1432643265;mircea_popescu;you two ever had a chat bout all this ?
1145194;1432643267;cazalla;fucked if i am going to sit with the kid 24/7
1145195;1432643271;mircea_popescu;an' i dun mean a screaming match.
1145196;1432643280;cazalla;yeah many times but i lock the door and stay in the computer (craft) room
1145197;1432643286;cazalla;nah she doesn't scream or fight
1145198;1432643289;cazalla;just cries
1145199;1432643305;cazalla;maybe she has reason.. been around the world many times, me? never
1145200;1432643309;cazalla;so she knows what she is missing
1145201;1432643313;cazalla;me? not reary
1145202;1432643342;cazalla;yet believe it or not she wants another
1145203;1432643384;cazalla;and we tried last month and i thought of her friend the entire time.. half figured to tell her while banging her
1145204;1432643400;cazalla;but last thing i need is more tears
1145205;1432643412;mircea_popescu;another what ?
1145206;1432643416;cazalla;bubs
1145207;1432643451;cazalla;2 of the mums at her mums group are already pregnant so i figure some jealousy or envy
1145208;1432643484;cazalla;mind you, all mid 30s dried up vag type women
1145209;1432643512;mircea_popescu;when do you want women to have kids, at 16 ?
1145210;1432643529;cazalla;mine or anyones
1145211;1432643557;cazalla;tbh i don't even know, i got duped by this conservation /pol/ shit just as i thought i was due to drop dead
1145212;1432643565;cazalla;conservative even
1145213;1432643576;cazalla;best gf i had
1145214;1432643579;cazalla;love life wise
1145215;1432643589;cazalla;was the one where we argued, things got smashed, cheated on each other
1145216;1432643596;cazalla;was utter shit
1145217;1432643606;*;mircea_popescu never cared much for that.
1145218;1432643608;cazalla;but at least it was a passion love/hate fuck fest
1145219;1432643613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144112 @ 0.00029655 = 42.7364 BTC [+] {2} 
1145220;1432643626;cazalla;i didn't think i did either but my missus won't as much raise her voice without crying
1145221;1432643638;cazalla;it is like dealing with another toddler
1145222;1432643649;cazalla;at least my son has an excuse, he's 16 months old, her? what excuse?
1145223;1432643652;mircea_popescu;what's she do for a living anyway ?
1145224;1432643656;cazalla;nothing now
1145225;1432643662;cazalla;prior to bubs.. marketing pr office shit
1145226;1432643664;mircea_popescu;an' before ?
1145227;1432643667;mircea_popescu;ah.
1145228;1432643672;cazalla;what else eh
1145229;1432643674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19438 @ 0.00029961 = 5.8238 BTC [+]
1145230;1432643674;mircea_popescu;so teach her something.
1145231;1432643681;cazalla;what?
1145232;1432643684;cazalla;she has her own hobbies
1145233;1432643686;mircea_popescu;anything you feel like.
1145234;1432643692;cazalla;just can't afford the time atm for her stuff
1145235;1432643704;mircea_popescu;foirget that. just go, "woman, come over i wanna teach you to X"
1145236;1432643713;cazalla;yeah she just isn't like that
1145237;1432643719;cazalla;like i said.. exception that proves the rule
1145238;1432643722;mircea_popescu;how you know ?
1145239;1432643724;cazalla;ya think they don't exist but they do
1145240;1432643728;cazalla;cause i've tried
1145241;1432643732;mircea_popescu;so she cried ?
1145242;1432643748;cazalla;over anything and everything
1145243;1432643759;cazalla;cept instead of my abuse
1145244;1432643764;cazalla;kid beats on her now
1145245;1432643771;mircea_popescu;;/
1145246;1432643778;cazalla;pulls her hair, she cries, he laughs
1145247;1432643779;mircea_popescu;sounds like a shitty life.
1145248;1432643796;cazalla;well i tell her to go out with the other mums
1145249;1432643802;cazalla;but she acts as if she has 10 kids, not 1
1145250;1432643806;cazalla;but he is pretty full on
1145251;1432643827;cazalla;i can't deal with it without resorting to smashing things
1145252;1432643832;cazalla;so she is left to deal with it
1145253;1432643844;mircea_popescu;sounds like a pretty serious problem brewing.
1145254;1432643863;cazalla;so what? ya belt a 16 month old?
1145255;1432643868;cazalla;they dont understand at that age
1145256;1432643877;cazalla;like i said before he's like a jew
1145257;1432643885;cazalla;he hits you and cries out in pain when you respond
1145258;1432643889;davout;cazalla: moar money than you?
1145259;1432643899;cazalla;davout, yup and by a huge fucking mile
1145260;1432643918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54720 @ 0.00029084 = 15.9148 BTC [-]
1145261;1432643920;cazalla;davout, i bitched about this before mind you.. her father provided everything.. and i mean EVERYTHING
1145262;1432643932;cazalla;woman doesn't know how to really do anything
1145263;1432643936;davout;i was referring to the jewish baby
1145264;1432643939;cazalla;oh
1145265;1432643948;cazalla;well by default yeah i guess so he wants for nothing
1145266;1432643960;cazalla;never enough for toddlers though
1145267;1432643971;cazalla;my earliest memory is getting a beating
1145268;1432643976;mircea_popescu;i think jdif is toddler default
1145269;1432643976;cazalla;this kid? doubt it
1145270;1432643977;mircea_popescu;some outgrow it
1145271;1432643993;cazalla;i went fucking mental the other week at her
1145272;1432644011;cazalla;she tells me.. (on account of her sister/mother) that he won't get into a good school on account he is not christianed
1145273;1432644031;mircea_popescu;cause jewish ?
1145274;1432644043;cazalla;lol no
1145275;1432644056;cazalla;just stupid
1145276;1432644071;cazalla;not that i am super smart
1145277;1432644072;mircea_popescu;davout did you manage to get that pogo going btw ?
1145278;1432644079;cazalla;but i am not christianed either
1145279;1432644096;mircea_popescu;cazalla i think it's christened.
1145280;1432644105;cazalla;let him go to a montessori school if not privately tutored
1145281;1432644112;cazalla;maybe but i am drunk like a fish
1145282;1432644116;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with public schools ?
1145283;1432644121;cazalla;it can be xistied for all i care
1145284;1432644129;cazalla;here? nothing when i was that age
1145285;1432644134;cazalla;now? full of riff raff
1145286;1432644137;mircea_popescu;so ?
1145287;1432644139;cazalla;he'd prob get beat up by the nig nogs
1145288;1432644145;mircea_popescu;well...
1145289;1432644148;davout;mircea_popescu: well yes, stuck at the part where i need to put an bitcoind arm binary on the thing
1145290;1432644151;mircea_popescu;at least he gets used to it.
1145291;1432644153;cazalla;where as i fought and won many fights
1145292;1432644163;cazalla;yeah but i grew up fighting a grown man (my father)
1145293;1432644166;cazalla;so taking on 2-3 kids was nothing
1145294;1432644169;davout;an as far as i understand we need to have a static build first, which we don't
1145295;1432644177;cazalla;dont really have the heart to give him a flogging like my father did me
1145296;1432644192;cazalla;my father would flog me with a jug cord when i was lucky
1145297;1432644202;mircea_popescu;davout well... in the absolute purist sense we won't for a while, on account of how thoroughly corrupt the stack is.
1145298;1432644210;cazalla;otherwise it was punches, many a time spent on the ground gasping for air because he winded me
1145299;1432644211;mircea_popescu;but... there is a cvasi-functional build dpb's been using
1145300;1432644232;cazalla;now i figure it was because my father had his own inadequiancies
1145301;1432644242;mircea_popescu;cazalla the way i view it, especially seeing how it's other people's work & labour,
1145302;1432644244;cazalla;but eventually, i toppled even him
1145303;1432644250;mircea_popescu;public school's a great boon. let him fail early.
1145304;1432644272;mircea_popescu;rather than grow up to be 30 and THEN discover he really has no place in the world.
1145305;1432644282;cazalla;mircea_popescu, but public school here is not the school of hard knocks i went to, it's the school of sjw now
1145306;1432644284;davout;if there's a way to get bitcoind running on the buildroot install i'm interested, my pogo, is waiting, with it's SSD plugged in and all
1145307;1432644302;mircea_popescu;davout you looked through his notes ?
1145308;1432644320;davout;i don't really care that much if it isn't 'pure'
1145309;1432644338;mircea_popescu;cazalla whatever it may be. public school, it's what it is, by definition, like a floating piece of wood on water, always level.
1145310;1432644341;cazalla;remidns me, i need to get my pogo up and going
1145311;1432644350;davout;yeah i did
1145312;1432644352;cazalla;level with what
1145313;1432644358;mircea_popescu;the public.
1145314;1432644368;cazalla;but the public today are weak
1145315;1432644381;cazalla;at least, even 30 years ago, you'd cop a beating from someone
1145316;1432644384;mircea_popescu;so what, you'll build him a speshul earth ?
1145317;1432644389;cazalla;now men of tody are scared to even talk to kids
1145318;1432644391;cazalla;nope
1145319;1432644400;cazalla;if i have my way i'll take him out bush
1145320;1432644410;mircea_popescu;well maybe not at 16 months.
1145321;1432644426;cazalla;australia is fucked beyond repair
1145322;1432644432;cazalla;only took 30 years
1145323;1432644455;cazalla;tbh i blame lack of aunts/uncles/relatives/grandparents for all this shit
1145324;1432644461;cazalla;when i grew up, it's all i knew
1145325;1432644480;cazalla;my son? 1 cousin, 1 uncle, 1 aunty, grand parents live far away, fucking nothing
1145326;1432644486;cazalla;so the mother bares all the burden
1145327;1432644501;cazalla;i got tossed all around the place just a few decades ago if not i went my own way
1145328;1432644518;cazalla;fucking country of pussies
1145329;1432644532;cazalla;someone cussing out muslims makes the mainstream media for hate crimes
1145330;1432644543;cazalla;meanwhile fags were bashed on live tv 25 years ago
1145331;1432644549;mircea_popescu;heh
1145332;1432644550;cazalla;literally
1145333;1432644562;cazalla;fuck australia
1145334;1432644579;cazalla;hope the indochinese come and rape everyone
1145335;1432644588;cazalla;give them a real reason to cry
1145336;1432644616;copypaste;cazalla: https://8ch.net/hola.html
1145337;1432644676;copypaste;Sorry. Site went down four times before I admitted defeat.
1145338;1432644676;copypaste;I offered to pay the Jews off via email, maybe they will accept my offer.
1145339;1432644676;cazalla;yeah i know about that shitty plugin
1145340;1432644676;mircea_popescu;copypaste you know i've been seeing a lot of wobble
1145341;1432644676;cazalla;8chan is dead already
1145342;1432644676;mircea_popescu;o.O
1145343;1432644676;cazalla;all it took was some jews with some plugins
1145344;1432644676;copypaste;hehe
1145345;1432644676;copypaste;it's worse than that
1145346;1432644680;copypaste;all imageboards without CAPTCHA are dead
1145347;1432644688;copypaste;due to this plugin. just a matter of it getting big enough for a spammer to find it fun to spam.
1145348;1432644691;davout;cazalla: you sound bitter, the cool thing about australia though is that you can easily go live in the middle of nowhere and get away form other humans
1145349;1432644691;cazalla;but we dont have captcha here
1145350;1432644699;cazalla;maybe you add assbot to 8chan eh?
1145351;1432644703;mircea_popescu;copypaste o wow, leveraged tor ?
1145352;1432644712;cazalla;davout, not bitter, just betrayede
1145353;1432644716;copypaste;yes, basically Tor but a much larger network
1145354;1432644720;copypaste;9M exits srong
1145355;1432644723;copypaste;0.2% of IP space.
1145356;1432644727;cazalla;davout, and you can't go live in the middle of fucking nowhere, middle of nowhere IS THE FUCKING DESERT
1145357;1432644731;mircea_popescu;copypaste bring it back on a pgp backend.
1145358;1432644750;cazalla;i can't imagine a better scenario for wot than 8chana
1145359;1432644754;mircea_popescu;^
1145360;1432644762;davout;cazalla: yeah well exactly, you don't get cable tv
1145361;1432644783;mircea_popescu;copypaste also, can i has mah banner on your dead page ? :D
1145362;1432644846;copypaste;dead page?
1145363;1432644850;copypaste;the site's not dead. just requires a CAPTCHA.
1145364;1432644863;mircea_popescu;oh oh sorry my bad
1145365;1432644866;cazalla;you know if you added a wot requirement to post, people would either capitulate and join or leave
1145366;1432644866;mircea_popescu;i misunderstood.
1145367;1432644871;cazalla;both scenario is good outcome
1145368;1432644885;mircea_popescu;copypaste i thought you were ddosed into the ground.
1145369;1432644898;copypaste;nah, it was a layer 7 DoS against post.pp
1145370;1432644898;cazalla;fucking winter so cold here
1145371;1432644906;cazalla;we have ducted heating but.. gets too hot
1145372;1432644907;copypaste;i'll think about it some more in the morning. what would stop bots from generating PGP keys? unless i forced them into being at a certain PGp level of course
1145373;1432644920;cazalla;wow
1145374;1432644923;cazalla;copypaste l2p
1145375;1432644935;mircea_popescu;copypaste for one thing, generating keys is reasonably intensive
1145376;1432644936;cazalla;i can go and create 6 million pgp keys
1145377;1432644940;cazalla;what standing would that give me here?
1145378;1432644953;copypaste;as i said
1145379;1432644959;copypaste;unless i force them into being at a certain WoT level
1145380;1432644965;cazalla;so whip it
1145381;1432644967;copypaste;but at that point it's no longer an anonymous BBS.
1145382;1432644968;cazalla;whip it good
1145383;1432644970;davout;copypaste: also feed them to phuctor
1145384;1432644980;mircea_popescu;copypaste in truth all imagebnoards were always pseudonymous
1145385;1432644987;mircea_popescu;you can't have absolute anonimitycan you.
1145386;1432644991;copypaste;true. well, 8chan lets you post over Tor.
1145387;1432645000;copypaste;if you fill out a captcha and stand on one leg while sticking your tongue out
1145388;1432645002;copypaste;:)
1145389;1432645014;copypaste;fullchan4jtta4sx.onion
1145390;1432645015;mircea_popescu;copypaste this is how pgp evens the odds : a new sig costs about 10x more cycles to make
1145391;1432645019;mircea_popescu;than the spam costs you
1145392;1432645037;copypaste;well, that's only for a secure public key.
1145393;1432645043;copypaste;i could make a PGP key with just any data.
1145394;1432645044;mircea_popescu;ips were cheap before, and you still could handle it. now that they became much cheaper they also became a problem
1145395;1432645051;copypaste;it doesn't need to be secure if i just want to spam
1145396;1432645061;copypaste;that's true
1145397;1432645139;mircea_popescu;and you can replace captcha with pgp challenge
1145398;1432645144;cazalla;more more more
1145399;1432645146;mircea_popescu;always on for 1st use, or if spammy.
1145400;1432645148;mircea_popescu;like this :
1145401;1432645156;mircea_popescu;!rate herp 1 derp
1145402;1432645156;assbot;herp is not registered in WoT.
1145403;1432645159;mircea_popescu;meh
1145404;1432645163;mircea_popescu;!rate cazalla 1 derp
1145405;1432645163;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9ce79021008ac55f
1145406;1432645175;cazalla;i don't really care
1145407;1432645178;mircea_popescu;you put that on the page, they verify they can use pgp, that's it.
1145408;1432645182;cazalla;was drunk before, will be a drunk after
1145409;1432645192;mircea_popescu;cazalla i was getting an otp to show hw dood.
1145410;1432645201;cazalla;nah you were being passive aggressive
1145411;1432645204;cazalla;lol
1145412;1432645216;mircea_popescu;lol. im rarely agressive and never passive.
1145413;1432645230;cazalla;on the defensive?
1145414;1432645263;cazalla;i'll sell you my missus for 1 btc
1145415;1432645266;cazalla;what says you
1145416;1432645269;cazalla;copypaste, taker?
1145417;1432645275;cazalla;fuck i'll give her away for free
1145418;1432645283;cazalla;not even shitting you
1145419;1432645292;mircea_popescu;there's ~3bn women i don't know out there, and at most 20mn btc
1145420;1432645294;mircea_popescu;you do the math.
1145421;1432645306;cazalla;don't even need to
1145422;1432645312;cazalla;a satoshi?
1145423;1432645342;cazalla;i shouldn't even be in this fucking situation
1145424;1432645349;mircea_popescu;well so get out then.
1145425;1432645362;cazalla;bit difficult when a kid is involved
1145426;1432645371;cazalla;maybe bitcoin will allow me to have another missus elsewhere
1145427;1432645378;mircea_popescu;or maybe jesus will.
1145428;1432645386;cazalla;but i'll never leave/ditch her on account of her mothering my son
1145429;1432645400;cazalla;she's a good mum mind you
1145430;1432645405;mircea_popescu;so then.
1145431;1432645417;cazalla;just a shitty missus/lay/fuck/cook/cleaner/talker
1145432;1432645424;cazalla;imagine a woman that can't even cook
1145433;1432645436;cazalla;she tried to cook me a meal last week when i did a one day first aid course
1145434;1432645443;mircea_popescu;neway copypaste  dun despair man. as seinfeld rabi says, "often, in life, there are problems - and just as often, there are solutions"
1145435;1432645445;cazalla;wasn't even ready by 10pm
1145436;1432645449;cazalla;told her to fuck it and put it in the bin
1145437;1432645465;cazalla;how hard is it to cook lamb shanks
1145438;1432645467;mircea_popescu;so teach her how to cook.
1145439;1432645469;cazalla;in a slow cooker
1145440;1432645478;cazalla;why should i teach her? her father/mother should've
1145441;1432645481;cazalla;she's mid 30s
1145442;1432645485;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you : she prolly set it too low because she was trying too hard not to fuck up.
1145443;1432645488;cazalla;not for me to teach her anything at that age
1145444;1432645497;cazalla;yeah i know exactly what you mean
1145445;1432645499;mircea_popescu;dude forget shoulds. she's your wife, no shoulds.
1145446;1432645503;cazalla;fucks up because of fear of fucking up
1145447;1432645518;cazalla;she really needs a beating
1145448;1432645523;cazalla;just to have a good cry if anything
1145449;1432645525;mircea_popescu;not so far.
1145450;1432645536;Adlai;think of it (teaching her to cook) as an investment in your children's mother/teacher
1145451;1432645547;cazalla;fwiw i dont think anyone needs to be taught to cook
1145452;1432645551;cazalla;should come from within
1145453;1432645555;cazalla;i never read much as half a cook book
1145454;1432645558;mircea_popescu;you don't beat women for existing eh. beating is corrective or perhaps aesthetic, not fucking psychological release.
1145455;1432645559;cazalla;but i can cook
1145456;1432645569;mircea_popescu;well aintcha a little bush hero :D
1145457;1432645575;cazalla;Adlai, i cook the kid's meals, not her
1145458;1432645587;mircea_popescu;erryone that knows to cook does, and erryone who doesn't doesn't. either teach her or else suffar.
1145459;1432645589;Adlai;exactly why you should teach her, so you don't have to do it all yourself
1145460;1432645591;cazalla;mircea_popescu, yeah well i stomped grapes, she didn't, there ya go
1145461;1432645598;cazalla;Adlai, i love cooking
1145462;1432645611;cazalla;cooking is like breathing
1145463;1432645643;Adlai;except my kitchen doesn't turn into a garbage dump from people just standing there breathing
1145464;1432645646;mircea_popescu;Adlai they've got one hell of a thing going, woman fucks up because she's too petrified of doing a bad job an' disappointing him, and he won't teach her because he's petrified of not being able to, and disappointing her.
1145465;1432645650;mircea_popescu;you two need to get over each other.
1145466;1432645668;cazalla;mircea_popescu, no-one taught me
1145467;1432645672;mircea_popescu;so ?
1145468;1432645679;cazalla;yet i can cook for a king or pleb
1145469;1432645682;mircea_popescu;what, the world is equal to your own personal experience ?
1145470;1432645703;cazalla;well now, we've all gotta eat
1145471;1432645709;cazalla;and by eat
1145472;1432645710;mircea_popescu;i bet no one breastfed you, either.
1145473;1432645711;cazalla;i mean eat
1145474;1432645712;Adlai;"it takes a tough man to cook a tender chicken" or teach a good lesson
1145475;1432645719;cazalla;mircea_popescu, 2 years
1145476;1432645729;cazalla;so clearly i hate on the bitch for only managing 12 months
1145477;1432645736;mircea_popescu;eh don't sell yourself short, you prolly made that tit.
1145478;1432645747;cazalla;and she only did it because i forced it
1145479;1432645761;cazalla;or, just like the rest of the mothers in her "mums group" she would've gone to formula
1145480;1432645773;mircea_popescu;"The terms are simple: you get the first $1,000 every new Luminati customer that you referred, spends with us."
1145481;1432645774;cazalla;may as well toss the kid in the bin at that point like a fucked up meal
1145482;1432645792;cazalla;who ever heard of this bullshit that breastfeeding is something most women can't do
1145483;1432645801;cazalla;yet down under.. standard
1145484;1432645830;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding the inconvenience this is causing our friend, interesting service.
1145485;1432645890;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac2966bbf55bb0146933fc09d63e3e92/tumblr_myszimu3Y61s7i603o1_400.gif
1145486;1432645951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67980 @ 0.00029027 = 19.7326 BTC [-] {3} 
1145487;1432645951;mircea_popescu;fucking performance.
1145488;1432646039;mircea_popescu;cazalla listen, in any case : you gotta do things together. that's the long and the short of it. now, if she sucks then what you do will be training, but there's no out of this.
1145489;1432646069;cazalla;i forget if i read this on trilema
1145490;1432646071;cazalla;or some other site
1145491;1432646085;cazalla;the things that attract you to someone in the beginning are things you end up hating about that preson
1145492;1432646102;mircea_popescu;if this is the case you got a problem.
1145493;1432646110;cazalla;yeah i know this
1145494;1432646114;cazalla;i know i ahve a problem
1145495;1432646121;cazalla;sorta what i am whining about eh
1145496;1432646134;cazalla;no kid? i'd be gone already
1145497;1432646136;cazalla;kid?
1145498;1432646145;cazalla;bit of a degenerate to abandon him
1145499;1432646153;cazalla;if i drop dead at 50 and he takes the lot so be it
1145500;1432646165;mircea_popescu;so you got yourself a conflict. better stuff of life.
1145501;1432646165;cazalla;won't leave him without a father though
1145502;1432646184;mircea_popescu;it is, notably, not the woman's fault that you got yourself a conflict.
1145503;1432646191;cazalla;nope, not her fault at all
1145504;1432646193;cazalla;my own fault
1145505;1432646196;cazalla;100%
1145506;1432646203;cazalla;which is why i stay and suffer
1145507;1432646216;mircea_popescu;and in the latest eulora news : today's bug is, "mp just got a large mining find, so large in fact that it didn't fit in his mining claim, so it got truncated."
1145508;1432646223;cazalla;would be easy to leave if i ascribed 100% of the blame to her
1145509;1432646225;mircea_popescu;who fucking knew, before today, this is a problem o.O
1145510;1432646239;cazalla;she's mine, he's mine
1145511;1432646252;cazalla;and that is that and if it kills me so be it, he'll have a father to do things with and so it goes
1145512;1432646275;cazalla;rahter off myself than leave him alone with her
1145513;1432646276;mircea_popescu;i somehow dun think it'll kill ya
1145514;1432646295;cazalla;well it all adds up eh
1145515;1432646309;cazalla;already aged 10 years in the past 16 months
1145516;1432646324;cazalla;stopped drinking for 2-3 year before he sprung up
1145517;1432646335;cazalla;no-one puts the drink to my mouth mind you
1145518;1432646343;mircea_popescu;right.
1145519;1432646359;cazalla;i mean tbh sometimes i regret even waking up
1145520;1432646366;cazalla;it'd be nice to just lay down, sleep and that's that
1145521;1432646386;mircea_popescu;heh
1145522;1432646396;cazalla;no better way to go
1145523;1432646404;cazalla;and i've seen worse
1145524;1432646407;cazalla;trains
1145525;1432646407;cazalla;car
1145526;1432646409;cazalla;necked
1145527;1432646411;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8zahcz491rsv2j1o1_1280.png << i wonder why these never caught on.
1145528;1432646471;cazalla;bed is bliss in comparison
1145529;1432646471;mircea_popescu;diamond ring for wedding, whore necklace for divorce
1145530;1432646486;cazalla;anyway just as my wife is, youare the exception to the rule so futile to compare
1145531;1432646508;cazalla;would ya believe though it was nothing less than a mexican negro half caste which convinced me about this woman
1145532;1432646516;cazalla;all because she played zelda
1145533;1432646520;cazalla;fuck me and my youth
1145534;1432646528;mircea_popescu;lol wut ?
1145535;1432646535;cazalla;"gamer girlfriend"
1145536;1432646543;cazalla;FUCK YOU PIPEDREAM!
1145537;1432646562;mircea_popescu;what a criterion lol.
1145538;1432646565;cazalla;should've gone to the locale catholic or even mormon church to find a woman
1145539;1432646568;cazalla;haah i know right
1145540;1432646571;cazalla;western man
1145541;1432646577;cazalla;chasing a waifu gamer girl
1145542;1432646580;cazalla;what a fucking con that was
1145543;1432646587;cazalla;they play fucking iphone games
1145544;1432646592;cazalla;and she does to this day
1145545;1432646597;mircea_popescu;here's one for you : the only she-assassin i ever met actually proposed to me.
1145546;1432646602;cazalla;playing some bastardised plants vs zombies shit
1145547;1432646606;mircea_popescu;she sounded a lot like you, amusingly. about as drunk.
1145548;1432646622;cazalla;an ex  gf wanted to get amrried and have kids
1145549;1432646634;cazalla;was emailing me blocks of land many years ago
1145550;1432646645;cazalla;fucked her off
1145551;1432646650;mircea_popescu;an' why ?
1145552;1432646659;cazalla;because no woman i met was really like that
1145553;1432646663;cazalla;most australian women are like men
1145554;1432646667;cazalla;want to fuck and part ways
1145555;1432646675;mircea_popescu;aha
1145556;1432646696;cazalla;seriously surprised i even spawned a kid
1145557;1432646705;cazalla;if it wasnt for the fact he looks like a carbon copy
1145558;1432646749;cazalla;i'd go innawoods
1145559;1432646753;cazalla;if it wasnt for him
1145560;1432646755;cazalla;live on crown land
1145561;1432646758;cazalla;little hut
1145562;1432646761;cazalla;chop some wood
1145563;1432646781;cazalla;more lumber mi lord
1145564;1432646785;mircea_popescu;no interwebs ?
1145565;1432646805;cazalla;be happy to ditch it at this point tbh
1145566;1432646817;cazalla;maybe login, download logs/emails and that be that
1145567;1432646832;cazalla;no www shit is worth a shit at this point or has been for years, gaming is dead for at least a decade
1145568;1432646837;cazalla;it is all fucked
1145569;1432646838;cazalla;all fucked
1145570;1432646840;cazalla;fucked
1145571;1432646841;mircea_popescu;from experience, this retirement thing lasts about a year
1145572;1432646845;mircea_popescu;three if you're very stubborn
1145573;1432646857;cazalla;then let me die within 3 years
1145574;1432646866;cazalla;all i want is a bit more land
1145575;1432646874;cazalla;small orchard, more gardens, live stock
1145576;1432646891;cazalla;compy 386 to grab some files for some reading
1145577;1432646927;cazalla;i specifically remember this point in high school thinking about the future
1145578;1432646931;cazalla;nothing has fkn changed
1145579;1432646938;cazalla;maybe a bit of lipstick on the pig that is hte internet
1145580;1432646944;cazalla;but really nothing has changed
1145581;1432646962;cazalla;fuck this gay earth
1145582;1432646964;mircea_popescu;well... better video.
1145583;1432646994;cazalla;not even
1145584;1432647006;cazalla;shitty 320*200 jpg got me more exicted than the 4k porn of today
1145585;1432647081;cazalla;better people too
1145586;1432647104;cazalla;"better class of people"
1145587;1432647260;mircea_popescu;meh. 20 years ago chicks kinda sucked at sex.
1145588;1432647469;cazalla;zzzzzzzzzz
1145589;1432647752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57317 @ 0.00029724 = 17.0369 BTC [+] {2} 
1145590;1432648179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.0002863 = 9.0757 BTC [-] {2} 
1145591;1432648181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats < did the loader script die or something /
1145592;1432648363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53886 @ 0.00028618 = 15.4211 BTC [-]
1145593;1432648671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. last night when got home, turned on experiment where it snarfs from pre-filtered (i.e. having rsa moduli) keys
1145594;1432648708;asciilifeform;still not caught up yet though
1145595;1432648738;asciilifeform;possibly tonight will write a civilized loader which forgoes the idiocy of setting up http connection for each key submitted and pumps straight into the db
1145596;1432648793;mircea_popescu;ah cool.
1145597;1432648813;mircea_popescu;what's whis by now, phuctor three major and twelve minor revisiona later
1145598;1432648819;asciilifeform;1 major
1145599;1432648828;asciilifeform;lost-count-how-many minor
1145600;1432648840;mircea_popescu;let's argue about classification!
1145601;1432648845;asciilifeform;l0l
1145602;1432648881;asciilifeform;btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3
1145603;1432648915;mircea_popescu;it's not for everyone.
1145604;1432648941;mircea_popescu;actually... there's that chinese dizident
1145605;1432648943;asciilifeform;which thing is for everyone? only death, afaik, is definitely 'for everyone.'
1145606;1432648959;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/
1145607;1432649020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even death. definitely not for woody allen & co.
1145608;1432649089;mod6;i should have waited on my key-retest. lol, got 119764 infront of it in the queue now.
1145609;1432649146;mircea_popescu;mod6 i think they're behind not in front
1145610;1432649248;mod6;ah, well, at first there was only 2 in Moduli Remaining, but that number has been climbing.
1145611;1432649255;mod6;no worries.
1145612;1432649286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that article is a tough cookie for my puny brain
1145613;1432649303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider brief spoiler ?
1145614;1432649306;mircea_popescu;it's insanely hard to translate, because as written it's nearly pure poetry.
1145615;1432649311;mircea_popescu;but i shall endeavour.
1145616;1432649311;asciilifeform;i get this.
1145617;1432649959;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145303 << mircea_popescu went to school with built-in graveyard ?
1145618;1432649959;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 12:44:10; mircea_popescu: public school's a great boon. let him fail early.
1145619;1432650056;mircea_popescu;howssat ?
1145620;1432650085;asciilifeform;in context of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145304
1145621;1432650085;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 12:44:32; mircea_popescu: rather than grow up to be 30 and THEN discover he really has no place in the world.
1145622;1432650163;asciilifeform;the basic observation is sound, in that we have a 'mouse experiment' situation where men (specifically) are built considerably in excess of how many 'places' are to be had for them
1145623;1432650242;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1145624;1432650285;asciilifeform;but outside of quasi-mythical sparta, the winnowing in the past was worked by 'four horsemen' rather than specially-designed school
1145625;1432650482;mircea_popescu;nobody died when/where i went to schoo, contrary to whining to the contrary.
1145626;1432650490;mircea_popescu;idem in the army (not that i went, but i can count as well as anyone)
1145627;1432650652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so what cut down the superfluous males ?
1145628;1432650687;asciilifeform;(implication was - that they died. unless i misread)
1145629;1432650734;mircea_popescu;no, implication was that they came to terms with their life.
1145630;1432650749;mircea_popescu;why perpetuate the delusion, at great cost and for no benefit ?
1145631;1432651033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00029231 = 11.0493 BTC [+]
1145632;1432652356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/he-who-gets-married/
1145633;1432652417;davout;danielpbarron asciilifeform re mircea_popescu's comments earlier regarding bitcoind's pogo, is there any way that i can get it running on the buildroot install before we actually manage to pull-off a static build?
1145634;1432652478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54225 @ 0.00029239 = 15.8548 BTC [+]
1145635;1432652668;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they came to terms with their life. << did i forget to take my morning lsd today, or what? who and where ever 'came to terms with their life' ?
1145636;1432652697;mircea_popescu;is that a quote ?
1145637;1432652778;asciilifeform;which
1145638;1432652786;asciilifeform;1st sentence - no
1145639;1432652794;asciilifeform;just statement of utter bewilderment
1145640;1432652844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43874 @ 0.0002983 = 13.0876 BTC [+]
1145641;1432652932;mircea_popescu;Dear Judge Forrest,
1145642;1432652932;mircea_popescu;I am writing you this letter in anticipation of my upcoming sentencing. This is a challenging letter to write because, as one who faces punishment, I have a strong incentive to say anything I think might result in leniency. But I have endeavored to be honest and forthright throughout this process, and so I will be in this letter as well.
1145643;1432652933;mircea_popescu;example.
1145644;1432652961;asciilifeform;what next, link to confessions from the trials of '37 ?
1145645;1432652966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00029239 = 12.0026 BTC [-]
1145646;1432652981;mircea_popescu;"If I had realized the impact my creation of Silk Road would ultimately have on the people I care about most, I never would have created Silk Road."
1145647;1432652983;mircea_popescu;hey.
1145648;1432652996;mircea_popescu;i never bought into the trotskist explainatorism.
1145649;1432653001;mircea_popescu;to me, it stands, as what they said.
1145650;1432653035;asciilifeform;the gods could write a riotously funny book of what folks said while sitting on stakes, boiling in oil, etc
1145651;1432653046;mircea_popescu;tough.
1145652;1432653063;mircea_popescu;weird notion, that somehow "justice" creates a responsibility vacuum.
1145653;1432653087;asciilifeform;interestingly, it is a well-documented fact that when ivan iv sat his courtiers down on stakes, a very common (if not most common) last few hours was shouting 'god save the king'
1145654;1432653101;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, there's this woman, who was arrested in '52 alongisde her two year old daughter.
1145655;1432653114;mircea_popescu;cazalla doesn't think much of his wife, but this woman raised a child while hiding in the mountains
1145656;1432653125;mircea_popescu;with her own gun. two winters up there, with her guy. who, also arrested.
1145657;1432653141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and rogozov performed a self-appendectomy in the antarctic.
1145658;1432653143;asciilifeform;what of it.
1145659;1432653168;mircea_popescu;everything of it. what of the rest ?
1145660;1432653190;asciilifeform;what's of it is that you can't be on the edge of every single human performance envelope
1145661;1432653196;asciilifeform;three or four - granted.
1145662;1432653200;asciilifeform;all of them? lsd.
1145663;1432653210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.0002983 = 8.1287 BTC [+]
1145664;1432653234;mircea_popescu;this one, and another of your choice.
1145665;1432653246;mircea_popescu;this one alone will do.
1145666;1432653257;asciilifeform;this one alone sums up to afghanistan.
1145667;1432653258;mircea_popescu;three or four or fifty nine others - unlikely.
1145668;1432653278;asciilifeform;i do not look up to afghanistan as peak of human culture. but that's just imho.
1145669;1432653292;mircea_popescu;culture, no. but culture is not the goal.
1145670;1432653301;mircea_popescu;culture is merely the byproduct.
1145671;1432653347;asciilifeform;let me guess of what
1145672;1432653347;scoopbot_revived;He who gets married.... http://trilema.com/2015/he-who-gets-married/
1145673;1432653352;asciilifeform;of surviving ?
1145674;1432653360;asciilifeform;e. coli has us beat hands down, at that
1145675;1432653366;mircea_popescu;depends what you mean by surviving.
1145676;1432653638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0002983 = 7.4277 BTC [+]
1145677;1432653682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how did the mountain episode end ?
1145678;1432653691;mircea_popescu;she died.
1145679;1432653701;mircea_popescu;http://www.eroinenucsoara.ro/maria-plop-ro.php
1145680;1432653763;asciilifeform;everybody dies
1145681;1432653791;mircea_popescu;she died in prison a year or so later.
1145682;1432653827;mircea_popescu;and i will point out that this is not performance.
1145683;1432653829;asciilifeform;according to the link, did surrender eventually
1145684;1432653836;mircea_popescu;everything else, including dance, is performance. this is merely being.
1145685;1432653855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, no find me the "Dear judge fuckwit" bit.
1145686;1432653891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you know the story of schrodinger's public pant-shitting ?
1145687;1432653897;asciilifeform;where he wrote a similar letter to hitler
1145688;1432653903;asciilifeform;which - didn't work
1145689;1432653908;mircea_popescu;myeah
1145690;1432653918;mircea_popescu;note that im not proposing he's any worse a physicist for it.
1145691;1432653921;asciilifeform;one would imagine folks would've learned by now
1145692;1432653923;asciilifeform;not to do this
1145693;1432653930;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't let him marry my daughter on the account.
1145694;1432653961;asciilifeform;iirc he never lacked a harem
1145695;1432654055;mircea_popescu;that was einstein
1145696;1432654061;mircea_popescu;this guy merely had a a live-in gf.
1145697;1432654097;asciilifeform;schrodinger was, iirc, fired from oxford for 'bigamy'
1145698;1432654115;mircea_popescu;more or less. but seriously, who doesn't.
1145699;1432654136;asciilifeform;l0l
1145700;1432654817;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the schrodinger letter to the adolf hitler university senate is not to be found in english
1145701;1432654821;mircea_popescu;freedom of derp.
1145702;1432655408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5000 @ 0.0002225 = 1.1125 BTC [-]
1145703;1432656262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9920 @ 0.00021753 = 2.1579 BTC [+] {7} 
1145704;1432657668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 17408 @ 0.00017168 = 2.9886 BTC [-] {3} 
1145705;1432657970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00029892 = 7.9812 BTC [+] {2} 
1145706;1432658792;ben_vulpes;<cazalla> fwiw i dont think anyone needs to be taught to cook << nah man it's applied thermo, it must needs be taught or learned through experience
1145707;1432658818;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> well aintcha a little bush hero :D << lzlzoll
1145708;1432658897;ben_vulpes;<cazalla> which is why i stay and suffer << bail with the bairn?
1145709;1432659312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00029961 = 7.783 BTC [+]
1145710;1432660539;ben_vulpes;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeremy-warner/11616509/Jeremy-Warner-How-Iraq-has-left-us-with-the-biggest-financial-bubble-in-history.html
1145711;1432660600;ben_vulpes;"It is also true that contrary to much prediction at the time, it has not proved particularly inflationary."
1145712;1432660600;ben_vulpes;"One thing it has done, however, is put a renewed rocket under asset prices. From fine art and metropolitan property prices, to bond markets and equities, seemingly everything has gone through the roof."
1145713;1432660600;ben_vulpes;how
1145714;1432660600;ben_vulpes;do people
1145715;1432660600;ben_vulpes;reconcile
1145716;1432660600;ben_vulpes;this shit
1145717;1432660600;ben_vulpes;"it's not inflationary except in how it is"
1145718;1432661099;scoopbot_revived;just another day in sunny cascadia http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html
1145719;1432661461;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1145720;1432662246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30629 @ 0.00029973 = 9.1804 BTC [+] {2} 
1145721;1432662333;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Miscellany:Confession_to_the_F%C3%BChrer << schrödinger's shameful letter. english.
1145722;1432662394;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1145723;1432663287;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.vivid.ro/vivid65/pages65/feature65.htm << not entirely unknown in english world
1145724;1432663347;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1145725;1432663689;BingoBoingo;http://fusion.net/story/139703/self-parking-car-accident-no-pedestrian-detection/
1145726;1432663969;trinque;ben_vulpes: I think obedience runs (and mustn't it run) far deeper than reason
1145727;1432663978;trinque;inflation is the govt figure published for inflation
1145728;1432663982;trinque;that's what it *is*
1145729;1432664055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00029942 = 10.0905 BTC [-]
1145730;1432664367;mircea_popescu;ascii_field o joy!
1145731;1432664370;mircea_popescu;nice find
1145732;1432664393;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes way of lyf.
1145733;1432664427;mircea_popescu;ascii_field .ro is romania >D
1145734;1432664569;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1145735;1432664574;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: well yes but it sprechens inglisch
1145736;1432664639;mircea_popescu;yeh
1145737;1432665518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17042 @ 0.00029942 = 5.1027 BTC [-]
1145738;1432665611;trinque;hm #bitcoin-assets (or really freenode) just told me I'm not an op of #b-a
1145739;1432665655;trinque;don't believe I performed any operations which would require that...
1145740;1432665747;jurov;https://blocksizedebate.com/ perhaps someone with hn account can lure him here
1145741;1432665843;jurov;and what he pulled the predictions from
1145742;1432665848;ascii_field;'futarchy' ?!
1145743;1432665851;ascii_field;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/futarchy-considered-retarded.html << obligatory mr mold !
1145744;1432665993;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market lol what a gem
1145745;1432666236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33952 @ 0.0002999 = 10.1822 BTC [+]
1145746;1432666397;jurov;"One such market, Intrade, had previously offered futures on events such as the capture of Osama bin Laden, the U.S. Presidential Election, and the bombing of Iran. As of March 10, 2013 though, all trading had been suspended on Intrade's website due to undisclosed financial irregularities."
1145747;1432666503;jurov;!up BigBitz
1145748;1432666509;jurov;!up ascii_field
1145749;1432667546;scoopbot_revived;Former Vault of Satoshi Customers in a Lurch http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-vault-of-satoshi-customers-in-a-lurch/
1145750;1432668005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00029581 = 16.3287 BTC [-] {2} 
1145751;1432669347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00029976 = 18.4053 BTC [+] {2} 
1145752;1432669773;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1145753;1432670079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0002999 = 2.7891 BTC [+]
1145754;1432670813;trinque;jurov: whoever wrote that sounds like a drooling moron
1145755;1432670876;trinque;"prediction markets" ... "not a real-money market" ... *predictions down to the cent on price/node count*
1145756;1432670885;trinque;cent/single-digit
1145757;1432670899;trinque;oh lol, they actually gave decimals for the number of nodes too
1145758;1432670969;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu the binary symmetries thing trivially follows from the mirrored 32-bit words. work it out on paper.
1145759;1432670969;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1145760;1432671036;ascii_field;glad somebody other than me noticed. now if only somebody other than me were willing to write the obvious proggy
1145761;1432671047;BingoBoingo;http://i.imgur.com/TFvb1OK.png?1
1145762;1432671107;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: wat
1145763;1432671139;BingoBoingo;Apparently more things are genetic. Today amputations, during the French revolution twas decapitations.
1145764;1432671270;ben_vulpes;> obvious proggy
1145765;1432671275;ben_vulpes;hyu
1145766;1432671350;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: have a cup'o'coffee (or standard dose of whatever your favourite performance-enhancing dope) and you'll see it.
1145767;1432671388;ascii_field;hint: multiplication is commutative.
1145768;1432671414;ben_vulpes;i have to say that i'm having trouble holding the whole keysmashing party in my head
1145769;1432671445;ascii_field;incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work
1145770;1432671505;ascii_field;or at least, will fail often (when both factors of a modulus appear an even number of times)
1145771;1432671514;Apocalyptic;ascii_field, another trivial thing that follows from the mirroring: every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors
1145772;1432671524;ascii_field;but the 'magical' moduli still break into integers small enough to factor trivially on pc
1145773;1432671524;Apocalyptic;why is left as an exercice for the reader
1145774;1432671548;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: i assume you've already worked out the whole thing
1145775;1432671560;ascii_field;and perhaps mircea_popescu also did, but hasn't seen it fit to confess
1145776;1432671634;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1145777;1432671681;Apocalyptic;I guess it depends on what "whole thing" you have in mind
1145778;1432671698;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: proggy which breaks all of the magic moduli on ordinary pc in a few sec.
1145779;1432671708;ascii_field;into demonstrably prime pieces
1145780;1432671823;Apocalyptic;i'm just getting started, do you have built such a thing ?
1145781;1432671874;ascii_field;Apocalyptic: no. but i suspect that one of you already did.
1145782;1432671950;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i dun follow ?
1145783;1432672099;jurov;chan demands ELI5!
1145784;1432672189;ascii_field;you fellas don't like puzzles do ya
1145785;1432672227;mircea_popescu;lmao @ fakeissueweretooretardedtounderstand.com
1145786;1432672238;mircea_popescu;where do these dudes come from srsly.
1145787;1432672289;mircea_popescu;jurov in any case, the dumbass "prediction market" thing has a core of rabid fandom, sort-of like whatever subcultural obscura
1145788;1432672413;ascii_field;actually, folks who specialize in stuffing ballot boxes (or the higher-tech usian variant of this, mass-programming meat-puppets for correct-voting) just -love- 'futarchy'
1145789;1432672442;mircea_popescu;as to the symmetries : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rsa-mystery-one.png for instance doesn't seem like it's 100% bit shifted
1145790;1432672502;mircea_popescu;there are some spots where it breaks down
1145791;1432672502;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: where ?
1145792;1432672502;mircea_popescu;2nd line 4th bit
1145793;1432672502;mircea_popescu;59/56
1145794;1432672553;ascii_field;84 0c 3e 59 84 0c 3e 59
1145795;1432672570;mircea_popescu;0th error!
1145796;1432672585;mircea_popescu;5th bit in your universe
1145797;1432672611;ascii_field;5th bit from bottom of modulus ?
1145798;1432672630;mircea_popescu;hm wtf.
1145799;1432672737;mircea_popescu;well, that 2nd line is all messed up. so first 3 identical, plus 1 on the prev line at end. ok.
1145800;1432672747;ascii_field;ignore the colours
1145801;1432672753;ascii_field;the colourizer is dumb as brick
1145802;1432672761;mircea_popescu;then bits 4-7 different. then bits 8-11 identical
1145803;1432672764;mircea_popescu;but then... mess.
1145804;1432672791;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i just cursorily looked at it and didn't expect on the strength of what i saw to actually have DIVISORS that are 32bitshift-and-add
1145805;1432672807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73889 @ 0.00029347 = 21.6842 BTC [-] {2} 
1145806;1432672808;ascii_field;appears to follow same pattern as all of them - take each 64 bits, copy bottom 32 over top 32
1145807;1432672816;ascii_field;ad nauseum
1145808;1432672832;mircea_popescu;the divisors ? yes. problem is, if you look at the moduli they don't actually follow that pattern exactly throughout
1145809;1432672863;mircea_popescu;moreover, if they did, the result would have to be a divisor that's more like 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 etc.
1145810;1432672874;mircea_popescu;not a 64 bit number
1145811;1432672924;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "unclaimed funds would be reduced by 25% per month until there was no balance." << somebody skipped stochastics 101 i take it.
1145812;1432672981;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but be this as it may, the "won't work" part is much more interesting. wjhy wouldn't the pre-salted keys not work ?
1145813;1432672994;ascii_field;won't work ?
1145814;1432673001;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work <<
1145815;1432673061;ascii_field;because gcd(prod, x) ends up equal to x
1145816;1432673069;mircea_popescu;right...
1145817;1432673110;mircea_popescu;if it does, you know all those factors are in keys. if it ends up equal to y, y < x... you've excluded some.
1145818;1432673116;mircea_popescu;which will now be popped in future keys.
1145819;1432673129;mircea_popescu;it's just intended as a catchall.
1145820;1432673309;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/eb2292f8fb4f8799ea98c7055d9fa249/tumblr_mz0eopKK8p1smxk21o1_400.gif
1145821;1432673518;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1145822;1432673571;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/07TZSNW
1145823;1432673632;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: replace the test in your copy of 'litmus' with this.
1145824;1432673632;ascii_field;or not
1145825;1432673632;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1TNXJDZ << whole thing
1145826;1432673692;ascii_field;probably should have done this from the start
1145827;1432673709;mircea_popescu;i suppose this would be equivalent, if in fact the moduli were uniformly mangled by the shifting.
1145828;1432673715;mircea_popescu;it seems to me still this isn't thecase.
1145829;1432673715;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: seems so
1145830;1432673767;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ./litmus_new.py litmus_mod_only litmus_mods_mirrored
1145831;1432673772;ascii_field;98/98 come out.
1145832;1432673785;mircea_popescu;o.O
1145833;1432673813;ascii_field;which is to say, it so happens that all the mods which had bottom 64 bits be a mirror pair (as per my original mods-only litmus) had full shebang.
1145834;1432673840;ascii_field;try it yourself. (addressed to everyone)
1145835;1432673876;mircea_popescu;heh. that's some very reliable accident.
1145836;1432673885;ascii_field;now, exercise for reader
1145837;1432673915;ascii_field;we now know merely that each key has one or more mirrored modulus
1145838;1432673924;ascii_field;but nothing in particular about ones which were -not-.
1145839;1432674010;ascii_field;at any rate, we now have a rigorous definition of the type of integer we are concerned with:
1145840;1432674016;ascii_field;mirrored(n)
1145841;1432674092;ascii_field;though, for rigour's sake, i will add that n is a multiple-of-64 bits-long, and is nonzero
1145842;1432674650;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and you don't see a case where such a modulo would not be detected owing to the happenstance that it shares no factors with other keys ?
1145843;1432674729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000296 = 11.248 BTC [+] {3} 
1145844;1432674775;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: remember how i did litmus
1145845;1432674779;ascii_field;it has nothing to do with phuctor proper
1145846;1432674783;ascii_field;ran on the entire key db
1145847;1432674806;ascii_field;now there could easily be -other- classes of strange
1145848;1432674811;mircea_popescu;that's a point.
1145849;1432674816;ascii_field;but as for mirrored moduli, we have'em all
1145850;1432674828;mircea_popescu;well, sure, there could be all sorts of classes, but there's no call to poke at crabs with a window wiper.
1145851;1432674835;mircea_popescu;i guess that puts it to rest
1145852;1432674873;ascii_field;now write down n as a diophantine equation
1145853;1432674898;mircea_popescu;anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000
1145854;1432674903;mircea_popescu;however long the key is.
1145855;1432674905;ascii_field;aha
1145856;1432674912;ascii_field;there we go
1145857;1432674912;mircea_popescu;which would seem like "a long prime"
1145858;1432674974;ascii_field;and once you've divided by the 'long' turd, what you're left with is small change
1145859;1432674995;ascii_field;factor just as well on '486'.
1145860;1432675016;mircea_popescu;yup
1145861;1432675065;ascii_field;bbbbuttt c0sm1c r4yz !!11!
1145862;1432675141;mircea_popescu;"Of course, we can't understand prediction markets until we understand markets. A market in any two fungible goods, A and B, is any device for discovering the A/B ratio P which equalizes D, the number of people who want to trade P units of A for one unit of B, with S, the number of people who want to trade one unit of B for P units of A."
1145863;1432675151;mircea_popescu;and there he goes, right off into retarded.
1145864;1432675391;mircea_popescu;first off, a market is not a "device". a market is a PLACE. second off, markets exist in unfungible goods - fungibility is not involved. third off, markets exist ONLY with currency, which IS NOT a good. on it goes.
1145865;1432675449;mircea_popescu;the sun's the marketplace for some nucleons trading out energy.
1145866;1432675583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51650 @ 0.00028859 = 14.9057 BTC [-] {3} 
1145867;1432676071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0002999 = 9.7468 BTC [+]
1145868;1432676547;danielpbarron;!up hegemoOn
1145869;1432676562;hegemoOn;wanted to share this article http://parasec.net/transmission/order-book-visualisation/
1145870;1432676622;hegemoOn;a "nanex" like study about 4 months trade on bitstamp
1145871;1432676622;hegemoOn;:)
1145872;1432676622;hegemoOn;and bitcoin electronic trading
1145873;1432676622;hegemoOn;thanks danielpbarron for the +v
1145874;1432676678;mircea_popescu;you wrote it ?
1145875;1432676700;hegemoOn;no
1145876;1432676702;hegemoOn;https://twitter.com/nanexllc/status/603303370129047552
1145877;1432676709;hegemoOn;this is the source
1145878;1432676980;mircea_popescu;aha ok
1145879;1432677049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89650 @ 0.00028627 = 25.6641 BTC [-] {2} 
1145880;1432677124;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000 // how so ?
1145881;1432677147;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145602 <<< meh i was rolling down drunk, but being a dad is great fun, just stressful at times
1145882;1432677147;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 14:01:21; asciilifeform: btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3
1145883;1432677227;hegemoOn;good night :)
1145884;1432677467;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic because if you take 84357349875 and make it 883377448877 then it necessarily will be divisible by 837487
1145885;1432677515;mircea_popescu;!up duduqa
1145886;1432677598;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic 80307040807*
1145887;1432677722;mircea_popescu;and with that i must bid you a very good night.
1145888;1432677880;Apocalyptic;good night
1145889;1432678574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.0002999 = 21.2929 BTC [+]
1145890;1432679916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72462 @ 0.00028611 = 20.7321 BTC [-] {2} 
1145891;1432680648;Adlai;;;gettrust moarrr
1145892;1432680648;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask moarrr!6d91fcbf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.145.252.191. Trust relationship from user Adlai to user moarrr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Adlai&dest=moarrr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moarrr | Rated since: Mon Apr  8 10:32:15 2013
1145893;1432680654;Apocalyptic;myeah but this is in base 10 and you're using the fact that it's divisible by 11 which is 10^1+1 because you mirror only 1 digit-base here, it's exactly analogous to my " every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors" earlier claim since notice that 641*6700417 = 2^32 + 1, which corresponds to a 32-bit mirror window length
1145894;1432680704;Adlai;http://pastebin.com/PfAnpwU5
1145895;1432680896;Apocalyptic;;;later tell mircea_popescu maybe i'm misunderstanding something simple but you could give such a factor for 0xffaaccddffaaccdd3c4b7ff83c4b7ff8 , it's a random 128 bit number constructed as the moduli in question, ( and 0x1000000000000000100000000 does not divide it)
1145896;1432680896;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1145897;1432682362;williamdunne;Hello all, thought I'd help beef up the logs. Been looking hollow last couple of days!
1145898;1432682418;*;Adlai slaps williamdunne around a bit with a large trout
1145899;1432682458;*;williamdunne force feeds Adlai three kippers
1145900;1432682557;Adlai;have you come around on the blocksize yet?
1145901;1432682568;Adlai;iirc, you thought it needed enlargenizing
1145902;1432682595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00029965 = 6.4724 BTC [+]
1145903;1432682603;williamdunne;Not quite, I still think at some point it will need to be bigger. Just not Gavin-sized
1145904;1432682609;williamdunne;And not soon, either
1145905;1432682612;Adlai;why would it ever need to be bigger?
1145906;1432682641;williamdunne;7tx/s doesn't seem enough even for small amounts of utility with summin like lightening on top
1145907;1432682646;Adlai;it works equally well/poorly at 1mb and 2mb
1145908;1432682646;williamdunne;*3
1145909;1432682661;williamdunne;Well, its just a matter of volume isn't it
1145910;1432682674;Adlai;i guess a better question is "what does 'not Gavin-sized' mean"
1145911;1432682690;Adlai;smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic?
1145912;1432682772;williamdunne;Gavin-sized is the 50% increase every fuckknows for so many years starting at 20mb
1145913;1432682797;williamdunne;With the goal being sticking everything in the blockchain
1145914;1432682815;williamdunne;I think fluffypony's Monero's way of doing it is pretty interesting tho
1145915;1432682822;williamdunne;But y'know, an experiment
1145916;1432682896;Adlai;for logs' sake, how does fluffypony do it in lolero?
1145917;1432682927;mats;fun fact: Google has the full source to Flash
1145918;1432682943;Adlai;you do too, it's just been preprocessed :)
1145919;1432682951;williamdunne;Mining constantly incentivized by permanent sub 1% inflation, and a dynamic block size which allows something like the median block size of past week +20%
1145920;1432682967;williamdunne;Which of course can go up or down as demand changes
1145921;1432682992;williamdunne;And there is a proposal to automatically reset historical blockchain every x days/months/years to resolve transaction size issue
1145922;1432682999;Adlai;permanent inflation ^_^
1145923;1432683002;williamdunne;Well
1145924;1432683005;williamdunne;Y'know what I mean
1145925;1432683019;williamdunne;Constant issuance rather than a hard ceiling like we have in bitcoin
1145926;1432683020;Adlai;cursory glance confirms that monero has permanent disinflation
1145927;1432683042;Adlai;kinda like qntra!
1145928;1432683066;Adlai;and i don't even have to spam my qntra pushes across the entire userbase
1145929;1432683082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142450 @ 0.00028853 = 41.1011 BTC [-] {3} 
1145930;1432683090;williamdunne;Scoop does that for you
1145931;1432683102;williamdunne;But yeah, kinda like Qntra shares
1145932;1432683152;Adlai;trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation
1145933;1432683161;mats;fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
1145934;1432683194;Adlai;wait, the f500 are treated by nasdaq as *investors*?   ^_^
1145935;1432683202;mats;this thing runs as SYSTEM by default, written in java, and the code was stolen some time ago
1145936;1432683232;williamdunne;<3
1145937;1432683238;BingoBoingo;mats: Does anyone other than "Finance" and "Higher Education" really use coldfusion?
1145938;1432683280;williamdunne;Jeremy Allaire would be proud
1145939;1432683345;mats;ive noticed a lot of municipalities using it
1145940;1432683452;williamdunne;Just read my first bit of ColdFusion, how does anyone write something more complex than Hello World! in it?
1145941;1432683457;mats;a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers
1145942;1432683535;mats;NIST did, for example
1145943;1432683539;mats;http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/nists-national-vulnerability-database-vulnerable/
1145944;1432683599;*;BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way
1145945;1432683599;*;williamdunne shudders
1145946;1432683600;williamdunne;Then again, I began using DreamWeaver (mx?) when I was like 6-7
1145947;1432683755;mats;fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM.
1145948;1432683872;williamdunne;Security ++
1145949;1432683914;*;mats returns to studying ios jailbreaks
1145950;1432683934;williamdunne;Its a shame you can't !down IRL
1145951;1432683941;williamdunne;"The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."
1145952;1432684769;asciilifeform;!s whip the sea
1145953;1432684771;assbot;3 results for 'whip the sea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whip+the+sea
1145954;1432684941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00029965 = 8.3902 BTC [+]
1145955;1432685417;BingoBoingo;!up kalki
1145956;1432685533;kalki;well howdy, thanks BingoBoingo
1145957;1432685564;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market buttchina
1145958;1432685565;gribble;BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 238.819412, Best ask: 238.821024, Bid-ask spread: 0.00161, Last trade: 238.821024, 24 hour volume: 16805.89870000, 24 hour low: 237.046212, 24 hour high: 239.79306, 24 hour vwap: 238.793813571
1145959;1432686161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69500 @ 0.00029446 = 20.465 BTC [-] {2} 
1145960;1432686527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00029965 = 12.9299 BTC [+]
1145961;1432686893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42450 @ 0.00028566 = 12.1263 BTC [-]
1145962;1432687601;mats;http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/36obxt/what_i_know_about_us_export_controls_and_hacking surprisingly thorough
1145963;1432687783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44318 @ 0.00028539 = 12.6479 BTC [-] {2} 
1145964;1432687844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23632 @ 0.00028326 = 6.694 BTC [-]
1145965;1432687937;BingoBoingo;So I joined #bitcoin-assets-trades and strongly recommend it. So much lulz when assbot reports the Havelol trades. Good for at least a chuckled every time I check the feed there
1145966;1432688121;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1145967;1432688159;Adlai;Vexual: what do you think about assbot trades in the main channel
1145968;1432688170;*;Adlai says, people who really care, can /join #bitcoin-assets-trades
1145969;1432688238;BingoBoingo;Big trades seem fine. Not all that common. Tis information. Small trades though... like <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00005229 = 0.0029 BTC [-]
1145970;1432688274;Adlai;it's only information if you care about it
1145971;1432688425;Vexual;Adlai: it's good info i guess, prolly gets digested in ways that I can't imagine
1145972;1432688444;Adlai;so hard to imagine?
1145973;1432688452;Vexual;I did like your startup, alcohol something
1145974;1432688453;Adlai;i'd rather expect that my imagination wildly exceeds the mundane reality
1145975;1432688463;Vexual;that too
1145976;1432688464;danielpbarron;it's interesting see where the trades line up with conversation in here
1145977;1432688494;Adlai;have any examples of that?
1145978;1432688502;danielpbarron;yes actually
1145979;1432688506;Adlai;!s from:adlai moves
1145980;1432688507;assbot;3 results for 'from:adlai moves' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+moves
1145981;1432688527;Adlai;hmmm now where is it
1145982;1432688633;Vexual;lowercase l next to capitol I made me Iol
1145983;1432688663;hanbot;<Adlai> it's only information if you care about it << that'd be a great creed for #bitcoin-assets-candyland
1145984;1432688770;Vexual;<Adlai>   ;;later tell nubbins` http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=837141135009
1145985;1432688922;danielpbarron;Adlai, look at the lead up to this line -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2013#297044
1145986;1432688922;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2013 19:59:48; mircea_popescu: back to 35. teh wow. teh incredible. movement!!!
1145987;1432689086;*;Adlai isn't sure how many seconds or days constitutes 'lead up', but found what he was seeking: https://vid.me/pYV4
1145988;1432689146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31479 @ 0.00028775 = 9.0581 BTC [+] {2} 
1145989;1432689146;decimation;mats: acpi is an abomination
1145990;1432689146;danielpbarron;and this http://trilema.com/2013/marketplace-excitement-with-expert-commentary-for-your-vicarious-trading-pleasure/
1145991;1432689206;decimation;'all our ad-hoc hardware is mashed together in an ad-hoc fashion, so let's make an ad-hoc language to describe it'
1145992;1432689268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69408 @ 0.00028271 = 19.6223 BTC [-] {2} 
1145993;1432689338;danielpbarron;here's another http://trilema.com/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/
1145994;1432689408;Vexual;too expensive didnt read but ive been bitten by a fireant
1145995;1432689417;Vexual;terrible business
1145996;1432689469;Vexual;mps 8ch endeavour has left evry free vestage of trilema reading barren
1145997;1432689488;danielpbarron;lol
1145998;1432689501;danielpbarron;that's neat
1145999;1432689532;Vexual;how many creds does it cost to read an article?
1146000;1432689579;danielpbarron;1
1146001;1432689592;Vexual;thought that might be the case
1146002;1432689606;danielpbarron;although i burn most of mine reloading the same articles over and over again as i pull them up to link in forum posts and whatnot
1146003;1432689627;Vexual;still the minimus sees you fit to the next halving at least
1146004;1432689657;danielpbarron;the cost is negligible
1146005;1432689674;Vexual;yeah
1146006;1432689679;Vexual;tfti
1146007;1432689746;mats;pacific beach is amazing
1146008;1432689746;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1146009;1432689751;mats;black and gold sand
1146010;1432689788;mats;decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-03-2015#1056887
1146011;1432689788;assbot;Logged on 18-03-2015 19:38:35; mats: another fun fact: you can physically damage XP installations via ACPI parsing and NtSystemDebugControl, entirely in usermode
1146012;1432689823;mats;and... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2014#764319
1146013;1432689823;assbot;Logged on 22-07-2014 20:06:04; Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
1146014;1432689947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00029979 = 1.7538 BTC [+] {2} 
1146015;1432690061;mats;http://doar-e.github.io/blog/2014/04/17/deep-dive-into-pythons-vm-story-of-load_const-bug
1146016;1432690259;decimation;mats: that is pretty lulzy
1146017;1432690301;decimation;there is a mysterious world that exists behind the nda's of american megatrends, intel, and microsoft
1146018;1432690311;decimation;where they conspire to paper over tons of buggy shit
1146019;1432690334;asciilifeform;not so mysterious to the dwarves in the mines of moria
1146020;1432690348;asciilifeform;who toil in the darkness to dig out the nuggets of choice turd
1146021;1432690358;asciilifeform;for highest bidder
1146022;1432690360;decimation;heh
1146023;1432690382;decimation;also there must be a significant taiwan connection, because that's where the buggy hardware is made
1146024;1432690400;decimation;where's our 'snowden' from that world?
1146025;1432690410;asciilifeform;the atlas lies: taiwan is not actually a country
1146026;1432690422;asciilifeform;rather, it is a u.s. aircraft carrier - which simply happens to be made of earth
1146027;1432690427;decimation;heh yeah
1146028;1432690446;decimation;and an army of local natives to staff it
1146029;1432690529;decimation;so apparently the evidence is that you can buy loyalty by employing h1b serfs, not by paying contractors in a derpy bureaucracy
1146030;1432690548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83400 @ 0.00029993 = 25.0142 BTC [+] {3} 
1146031;1432690615;decimation;I wonder how many people actually design a server motherboard?  probably less than 10
1146032;1432690674;asciilifeform;decimation: designing a modern mb is really a 'model airplane' sorta affair
1146033;1432690692;asciilifeform;where you get a stock southbridge, dc power minutiae, cpu, bios, etc
1146034;1432690731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67750 @ 0.00030123 = 20.4083 BTC [+] {3} 
1146035;1432690769;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah, I suspect about 80% of the design is pure 'reference implementation'
1146036;1432690800;decimation;where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
1146037;1432690958;decimation;asciilifeform: ending up in a situation where 'nobody is in charge'
1146038;1432691021;decimation;which explains why building computer hardware looks alot more like conspiracy than product design
1146039;1432691102;mats;fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
1146040;1432691122;asciilifeform;mats: aha. famously. lotsa folks cracked theirs using this
1146041;1432691153;asciilifeform;notably, before there was an 'app store' from apple
1146042;1432691158;mats;i remember
1146043;1432691168;decimation;yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
1146044;1432691431;decimation;dijkstra: "My conclusion is that it is becoming most urgent to stop to consider programming primarily as the minimization of a cost/performance ratio. We should recognise that already now programming is much more an intellectual challenge: the art of programming is the art of organising complexity, of mastering multitude and avoiding its bastard chaos as effectively as possible.
1146045;1432691921;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual How much does that roo salami sell for?
1146046;1432692417;BingoBoingo;;;google rapetosaurus
1146047;1432692419;gribble;Rapetosaurus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapetosaurus>; Rapetosaurus - Prehistoric Wildlife: <http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/species/r/rapetosaurus.html>; R is for Rapetosaurus – Phenomena: <http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/10/r-is-for-rapetosaurus/>
1146048;1432692623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00029503 = 9.0574 BTC [-]
1146049;1432692927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0003011 = 3.1013 BTC [+]
1146050;1432693022;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145427 << confirmed -> http://www.atruechurch.info/polygamy.html
1146051;1432693022;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 13:02:58; mircea_popescu: or maybe jesus will.
1146052;1432693087;Vexual;$400 per kilo mano
1146053;1432693182;Vexual;over 9000 in usd
1146054;1432693253;decimation;for 'roo sausage?
1146055;1432693274;Vexual;i migh6t be off, its expensive
1146056;1432693325;danielpbarron;!up goregrin1
1146057;1432693328;danielpbarron;!up Landgull
1146058;1432693511;decimation;why?  I thought roos were everywhere
1146059;1432693543;Vexual;yeah theyre hard to catch
1146060;1432693630;Vexual;oft full of worms
1146061;1432693672;Vexual;and you need the landholders permission
1146062;1432693718;Vexual;like fast pigs
1146063;1432693727;Vexual;really fucking fast
1146064;1432693799;mats;lol
1146065;1432694180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00029328 = 7.0094 BTC [-]
1146066;1432694291;decimation;sounds like fun target practice
1146067;1432694314;decimation;they had a top gear uk episode recently on a ranch in western australia I think
1146068;1432694325;decimation;place was massive, several hundred square miles
1146069;1432694344;decimation;australia may be a fucked up place but it is long on land
1146070;1432694424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00029974 = 5.9948 BTC [+]
1146071;1432694851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00030718 = 17.1714 BTC [+] {4} 
1146072;1432695156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00029328 = 18.066 BTC [-]
1146073;1432695339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00031146 = 14.3895 BTC [+]
1146074;1432695556;williamdunne;Chasing cows in cards
1146075;1432695559;williamdunne;*cars
1146076;1432696017;decimation;williamdunne: yeah it's a shame that they did in clarkson
1146077;1432696025;decimation;he's a dick but that's his personality
1146078;1432696110;williamdunne;Its what made the show, think it'll probably be dead now
1146079;1432696254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56492 @ 0.00029765 = 16.8148 BTC [-]
1146080;1432696401;decimation;yeah, they tried to make a us version and it was shit
1146081;1432696434;williamdunne;Most people who watch it don't even really care about cars, just like watching the three of them bum around
1146082;1432696447;williamdunne;On a different note, I have found an elderly Max Keiser!
1146083;1432696450;williamdunne;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CF-d6RBUMAEalVh.jpg:large
1146084;1432697181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00030909 = 4.5745 BTC [+]
1146085;1432697364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.0003045 = 11.3731 BTC [-] {2} 
1146086;1432697547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00031159 = 21.3128 BTC [+] {2} 
1146087;1432698706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28620 @ 0.00030341 = 8.6836 BTC [-]
1146088;1432699194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66512 @ 0.0003107 = 20.6653 BTC [+] {3} 
1146089;1432699682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83711 @ 0.0002939 = 24.6027 BTC [-]
1146090;1432699803;mats;https://github.com/nologic/idaref
1146091;1432699863;asciilifeform;mats: l0l you oughta have this in yer head
1146092;1432699863;mats;ive been moving between x86 and arm a lot
1146093;1432699873;mats;its disorienting
1146094;1432700046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30989 @ 0.00029376 = 9.1033 BTC [-] {2} 
1146095;1432700355;asciilifeform;http://valaamov-osel.livejournal.com/171595.html << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975.
1146096;1432700476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00028644 = 7.4045 BTC [-]
1146097;1432701940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35511 @ 0.00028859 = 10.2481 BTC [+] {2} 
1146098;1432701998;danielpbarron;!up paxtoncamaro91
1146099;1432703070;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
1146100;1432703130;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1146101;1432703984;scoopbot_revived;IRS Confirms Breech Reported 2 Months Ago http://qntra.net/2015/05/irs-confirms-breech-reported-2-months-ago/
1146102;1432704289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00029104 = 6.5047 BTC [-]
1146103;1432704302;ben_vulpes;breach
1146104;1432704318;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ^^
1146105;1432704355;BingoBoingo;Fuck Imma have to start using that word all together
1146106;1432704405;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1146107;1432704420;Vexual;\who did a wot now
1146108;1432704472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69969 @ 0.00028298 = 19.7998 BTC [-] {4} 
1146109;1432704509;BingoBoingo;I said the IRS was back of the cannon'd for all da information
1146110;1432704520;Vexual;!s endeavour
1146111;1432704521;assbot;33 results for 'endeavour' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=endeavour
1146112;1432704691;Vexual;da fuq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or3U2rXxvQw p19
1146113;1432704894;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> [01:32] rather, it is a u.s. aircraft carrier - which simply happens to be made of earth << girl and i both lold
1146114;1432705109;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or3U2rXxvQw
1146115;1432705182;mats;taiwan is a very nice aircraft carrier
1146116;1432705319;Vexual;quatar does oaky
1146117;1432705339;Vexual;all business all day
1146118;1432705425;Vexual;cunt even allow smoking
1146119;1432705470;Vexual;knobsuckya business
1146120;1432705476;Vexual;*innaya
1146121;1432705697;Vexual;soz chan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
1146122;1432706729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83050 @ 0.00028953 = 24.0455 BTC [+] {2} 
1146123;1432707529;BingoBoingo;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34146752/ << lulz
1146124;1432707711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59534 @ 0.00029269 = 17.425 BTC [+] {2} 
1146125;1432708931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.0002894 = 6.5839 BTC [-]
1146126;1432710090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59818 @ 0.00029292 = 17.5219 BTC [+] {3} 
1146127;1432711188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00030052 = 18.7224 BTC [+]
1146128;1432712103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131956 @ 0.00028835 = 38.0495 BTC [-] {4} 
1146129;1432712164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8744 @ 0.00028267 = 2.4717 BTC [-]
1146130;1432712774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63850 @ 0.00028166 = 17.984 BTC [-] {2} 
1146131;1432712896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00028329 = 7.8471 BTC [+]
1146132;1432713079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254600 @ 0.00028019 = 71.3364 BTC [-] {3} 
1146133;1432713442;BingoBoingo;;;calc 170.0/2.2
1146134;1432713442;gribble;77.2727272727
1146135;1432714053;scoopbot_revived;The death of geography. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/27/the-death-of-geography/
1146136;1432714238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82000 @ 0.00027958 = 22.9256 BTC [-] {2} 
1146137;1432714665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93550 @ 0.00031499 = 29.4673 BTC [+] {3} 
1146138;1432714726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00027957 = 8.7645 BTC [-]
1146139;1432715033;BingoBoingo;!up Vexual
1146140;1432715039;BingoBoingo;!up check
1146141;1432715043;BingoBoingo;!up mixdio
1146142;1432715047;BingoBoingo;!up DreadKnight
1146143;1432715055;BingoBoingo;!up diana_coman
1146144;1432715071;diana_coman;thanks BingoBoingo
1146145;1432715077;BingoBoingo;yw
1146146;1432715559;DreadKnight;bacon
1146147;1432715560;DreadKnight;bbl
1146148;1432715763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37744 @ 0.00027815 = 10.4985 BTC [-] {2} 
1146149;1432716390;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic the expectation would be that it'd be divisible by 32bit-shifted 1 + 1, ie 100000000000000000000000000000001 ie 4294967297
1146150;1432716508;mircea_popescu;the most that can be said of a number produced through taking a composite (moduli are composites - of two primes yes, but composite) and applying the 32bit mirroring process is that you'll obtain an odd number. that's it. the probability of a number that large being prime is roughly speaking n/ln(n)
1146151;1432716604;mircea_popescu;which for a 4096 key comes to about 0.03% or 1 in 3k
1146152;1432716803;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146099 << my homeland begins and ends in that place where stupidity goes unrewarded.
1146153;1432716803;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 05:04:30; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
1146154;1432716827;mircea_popescu;that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
1146155;1432717313;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
1146156;1432717357;mircea_popescu;or numerically, the confidence that none is prime is something like 97% or thereabouts.
1146157;1432717558;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145911 << omg let people reserve their judgement. would you need new limbs ? what kind ? how big ?
1146158;1432717558;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 23:24:50; Adlai: smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic?
1146159;1432717581;mircea_popescu;you'll never be able to go to the moon with just the two pairs you got!
1146160;1432717716;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145932 << the problem with finance isn't "that there exist numbers" but "that there exists unknowns". fixed inflation is not fundamentally different from zero inflation just as long as the inflation is known. which of the two is more convenient (and it's purely a matter of clerical convenience) reduces to a discussion of whether humanity is an ever-expanding cancer or a c
1146161;1432717716;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:32; Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation
1146162;1432717717;mircea_popescu;yclical process like adp metabolism.
1146163;1432717755;mircea_popescu;i happen to believe the later's the case, but i would certainly regret to see the alternative viewpoint bereft of an experimentally available venue, because i am by no means certain this is so.
1146164;1432717883;mircea_popescu;for this reason, monero's choice is reasonable whatever anyone involved may personally believe - because bitcoin already exists
1146165;1432718325;mircea_popescu;that said, i'm still waiting for fluffypony to come an' say alright guyse, this is ready to present to b-a. because stuff like https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/about or https://getmonero.org/design-goals/ ... srsly, colored rectangles ? WOW!11
1146166;1432718446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00028816 = 2.4197 BTC [+]
1146167;1432718446;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's an open-source project, so I'm waiting for contributors to fill that stuff in :)
1146168;1432718446;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1146169;1432718446;mircea_popescu;still, from the other pov... fuckall knows what's in there.
1146170;1432718456;mircea_popescu;now, it's true that the first time around (ie, bitcoin), i spent my own money/time to get it researched. but expecting the same be done the 2nd time around is unreasonable.
1146171;1432718624;mircea_popescu;Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
1146172;1432718628;mircea_popescu;no further issues needed.
1146173;1432718673;mircea_popescu;zero coin seems to me exactly designed as a lizard hitler back-up, "alt-bitcoin" bs.
1146174;1432718801;mircea_popescu;fluffypony in any case, comparisons with dead cows like zerocoin, coinjoin etc aren't interesting. i'd like to hear a comparison with bitbet mixing, which is to my eyes the golden standard in bitcoin anonimizing of chain-visible transactions.
1146175;1432718961;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145933 << ayup. there's really no secret that the clay legged giants of the fiat world are both unable to compete and only great in their own imagination.
1146176;1432718961;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:41; mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
1146177;1432718986;mircea_popescu;much like any two bit bitcoin-wallet / what have you, their time to "be hacked" will come.
1146178;1432719034;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145941 << from the crypts of the lost : "Can you run Monero miner through TOR? If yes, what change would need to made to the bat file on the opening page? I'm using Windows. thanks"
1146179;1432719034;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 23:37:37; mats: a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers
1146180;1432719073;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145944 << and in this BingoBoingo would be exactly correct.
1146181;1432719073;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 23:39:59; *: BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way
1146182;1432719192;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145951 << yes, it should. it can not, and it will not, which essentially renders "the uk governmenty" null and void.
1146183;1432719192;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 23:45:41; williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."
1146184;1432719381;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1145970 << alternatively, you could just go join #adlai. seeing how idem.
1146185;1432719381;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 00:57:54; Adlai: it's only information if you care about it
1146186;1432719845;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1145990 << dude, that was possibly the craziest most riveting day in memory.
1146187;1432719845;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 01:12:26; danielpbarron: and this http://trilema.com/2013/marketplace-excitement-with-expert-commentary-for-your-vicarious-trading-pleasure/
1146188;1432719854;mircea_popescu;course dunno how comprehensible it all is by now.
1146189;1432720014;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146024 << quotes belong around our :)
1146190;1432720014;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 01:33:20; decimation: where's our 'snowden' from that world?
1146191;1432720092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140400 @ 0.00028136 = 39.5029 BTC [-]
1146192;1432720240;davout;monero is pretty neat, the only real problem I see is that it'll bloat even faster than bitcoin given the fact that ring signatures are pretty expensive
1146193;1432720245;davout;(size-wise)
1146194;1432720351;mircea_popescu;how expensive ?
1146195;1432720380;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146036 < division of labour eh ? "you build a city out of vacant lots"
1146196;1432720380;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 01:40:00; decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
1146197;1432720416;davout;mircea_popescu: if i understood correctly it's up to the sender, the idea being that you obfuscate where the money's coming from by signing a group of inputs that you may or may not contrel, only one of them being actually spent
1146198;1432720420;davout;*control
1146199;1432720427;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146039 << i recall this. one of the pillars of my original "lol apple is not worth money" notions.
1146200;1432720427;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 01:45:02; mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
1146201;1432720431;davout;fluffypony: this correct? ^
1146202;1432720448;mircea_popescu;davout see kinda why i'm waiting for him to decide to present it.
1146203;1432720466;davout;you could, again if i understand correctly, decide to only spend a single input and work in a bitcoin-like 'degraded' mode
1146204;1432720481;davout;in this case the sig may actually be smaller
1146205;1432720498;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146043 << that weight being entirely novel, and ulterior to the first iphone.
1146206;1432720498;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 01:46:08; decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
1146207;1432720555;mircea_popescu;davout the problem of bloat is not something that can be individually addressed. in a sense/under a certain perspective this is like saying that 1800s london was incredibly smoky because of all the heating coal usage, but you could also burn clean coal, which was only slightly more expensive.
1146208;1432720561;davout;fluffypony: what was that podcast you made in which you explained how monero works?
1146209;1432720564;mircea_popescu;sure... and whether you do or don't, your clothes will be gray.
1146210;1432720672;davout;so far my actual experience with monero is that the initial sync is horribly slow
1146211;1432720755;davout;i built the daemon five days ago, have it running since then, and it's still 220 days behind apparently
1146212;1432720764;mircea_popescu;out of what, 350 ?
1146213;1432720825;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146069 << apparently to hear cazalla, not so long. sounds like you could get land in montana for a tenth of what they make him pay.
1146214;1432720825;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 02:39:04; decimation: australia may be a fucked up place but it is long on land
1146215;1432720885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.0002883 = 18.1917 BTC [+] {3} 
1146216;1432720908;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146083 << dun tell me that fruit is keiser ?!
1146217;1432720908;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 03:14:10; williamdunne: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CF-d6RBUMAEalVh.jpg:large
1146218;1432720913;cazalla;95% of australia isn't livable
1146219;1432721024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
1146220;1432721024;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 04:19:15; asciilifeform: http://valaamov-osel.livejournal.com/171595.html << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975.
1146221;1432721032;mircea_popescu;cazalla no fresh water ?
1146222;1432721045;cazalla;no anything
1146223;1432721060;cazalla;http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46620000/gif/_46620451_aus_pop_distribution_466map.gif
1146224;1432721120;mircea_popescu;o shit, the tins of soviet caviar.
1146225;1432721120;*;mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex.
1146226;1432721120;mircea_popescu;dude if the soviets did something right... caviar's been dead since the 90s.
1146227;1432721120;fluffypony;davout: yes - the sender chooses a mixin, although in ~2 years the minimum mixin goes up to you + 4 others (for each input)
1146228;1432721120;mircea_popescu;those bare metal tins FULL of it to the popping...
1146229;1432721125;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how ?
1146230;1432721135;fluffypony;but we can prune and retain the txoset and the key image set
1146231;1432721145;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: you mean how does the sender choose?
1146232;1432721156;mircea_popescu;no i mean how do you know what happens in 2 years.
1146233;1432721180;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146212 <<< pretty much
1146234;1432721180;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 09:59:24; mircea_popescu: out of what, 350 ?
1146235;1432721205;fluffypony;oh - in the protocol we have a block height that is approx. 2 years from now where the minimum mixin kicks up to 4
1146236;1432721240;mircea_popescu;aha
1146237;1432721257;fluffypony;it's just privacy improvements, per this: MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf)
1146238;1432721265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what.
1146239;1432721287;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how does someone else using a 1 instead of a 5 degrade my privacy ?
1146240;1432721349;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: if you use a 5 and the recipient then sends funds on using a mixin of 1 then there's a risk that the real input can be unmasked, which links it back to the previous transaction
1146241;1432721361;*;fluffypony bearing in mind that it's on a per-input basis
1146242;1432721370;mircea_popescu;ah i c
1146243;1432721405;fluffypony;https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/ltb-e202-understanding-monero
1146244;1432721465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23809 @ 0.00029022 = 6.9098 BTC [+]
1146245;1432721465;fluffypony;that's the LTB podcast where I explain a bit about it
1146246;1432721471;mircea_popescu;i'm too far gone to be help-able by video.
1146247;1432721484;mircea_popescu;http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5504/morbid-anatomist9.5b/0_61cb6_a69b63cb_orig.jpg << bwahaha oh 80s! where are you!
1146248;1432721544;fluffypony;it's even worse, it's audio only :-P
1146249;1432721554;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146101 << would you look at that. my wp auto-redirects to new url if i fuck up a title. you two gotta look into that.
1146250;1432721554;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 05:19:44; scoopbot_revived: IRS Confirms Breech Reported 2 Months Ago http://qntra.net/2015/05/irs-confirms-breech-reported-2-months-ago/
1146251;1432721971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00031546 = 1.6877 BTC [+]
1146252;1432722339;cazalla;fixed the typo in the url
1146253;1432722339;scoopbot_revived;IRS Confirms Breach Reported 2 Months Ago http://qntra.net/2015/05/irs-confirms-breach-reported-2-months-ago/
1146254;1432722372;cazalla;bwahah btc.com already closed up shop
1146255;1432722403;cazalla;http://bitcoinist.net/press-release-btc-com/
1146256;1432722463;cazalla;who ever could've guessed
1146257;1432722463;mircea_popescu;cazalla a cool
1146258;1432722526;mircea_popescu;cazalla poor roger ver really belongs in the gallery of famous tragic characters, with brave, brave, brave sir robert, the tragic clown and his faithful wife nedda etc.
1146259;1432722575;mircea_popescu;here's the story of a simple country boy, one could say a cock-eyed optimist who got himself a number of pleabargained felonies after which the sun seemed to shine, and all his long held frustrations as to relevancy for business, intellectual prowess and whatnot seemed to realise! finally! oh, how this moment had been pined for.
1146260;1432722585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00029527 = 7.618 BTC [-]
1146261;1432722600;mircea_popescu;but then... horror of horrors! everything he touches turns to shit, and now here he is, stuck trying to hold on to the status long after the water's gone out.
1146262;1432722612;mircea_popescu;thousands of bitcoin donated to a shitty foundation ? gone, as is the foundation.
1146263;1432722646;mircea_popescu;paltry attempts to make it stay relevant about as effectual as spitting in the wind.
1146264;1432722653;cazalla;i figured him as autistic tbh
1146265;1432722667;mircea_popescu;the guy spent more than it was worth (in bitcoin treading for a pittance) to acquire a "valuable" domain, as if a domain name could ever be valuable.
1146266;1432722671;cazalla;in his videos his eyes have that glassed over, empty look
1146267;1432722690;cazalla;but anyway, btc.com and bitcoin.com, 2 diff things just occuring at the same time
1146268;1432722699;mircea_popescu;and now he's stuck in a world where others may entertain his pretense (to "professionalism" or to "business-like" or whatever else), but a) only third worlders, and b) only for as far as they find it net positive.
1146269;1432722712;fluffypony;when they say it "lead to the loss of the domain" what do they mean
1146270;1432722716;fluffypony;GAW owns the domain?
1146271;1432722717;mircea_popescu;so no, okpay isn't gonna pay him "what the contract says". okpay doesn't belong to the space of delusion he belongs to.
1146272;1432722738;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it means the fountain of shit these people create as a byproduct of their metabolism.
1146273;1432722745;mircea_popescu;the domain no longer has an owner, it's a toxic asset now
1146274;1432722751;mircea_popescu;much like the original bitcoin magazine
1146275;1432722755;mircea_popescu;for exactly the same reasons.
1146276;1432722763;cazalla;fluffypony, garza "bought" it last year for 1 million.. to pay off in installments over 36 months.. but garza has no money left apparently.. so he leases it to bitcoinist, pockets the money and the real owner of the domain takes it back as garza late/failed to make payments leaving bitcoinist up shit creek
1146277;1432722768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00029942 = 16.7076 BTC [+]
1146278;1432722783;fluffypony;ah
1146279;1432722809;mircea_popescu;cazalla there's at least three parties if not like five with some sort of claim oiver it, all of which cost more to prosecute than the thing would cost to replace.
1146280;1432722813;cazalla;but the bitcoinist guy should've known better seeing he already went through this with garza last year when garza was going to buy bitcoinist and mate tokay wanted green card, 200k, lambo, unit and all that other shit
1146281;1432722831;mircea_popescu;which is why we don't believe for a second that this is a bona fide business dispute.
1146282;1432722834;mircea_popescu;just more smokefronting.
1146283;1432722880;cazalla;kids and their pokemon cards
1146284;1432722905;chetty;appeals court ruled against obama amnesty stuff, sometimes the law kinda works, but I doubt it will stop anything, courts cant enforce and there is history of O thumbing nose at them
1146285;1432722935;mircea_popescu;if ballas were around the one thing i'd ask him would be to write up this particular story. it's something else, "the failures of roger ver's pretense on the jagged shores of reality - 2010 - 2015"
1146286;1432722945;mircea_popescu;chetty which one is this again ?
1146287;1432722996;chetty;O made exec order about giving illegals status and green cards and stuff, Texas sued
1146288;1432723003;cazalla;i thought his amnesty was quite limited to who and time (3 years?)
1146289;1432723006;mircea_popescu;o. heh.
1146290;1432723027;mircea_popescu;chetty and i presume the people in question already received the green cards right ?
1146291;1432723065;chetty;well I bet some did, coursts issued injunctions but I think the agencies just ignored it
1146292;1432723116;mircea_popescu;and obviously nobody's going to jail for any of this.
1146293;1432723131;mircea_popescu;no "20 years to life for wilfully breaking the law from a position of government".
1146294;1432723156;mircea_popescu;just  you know, "Dear Judge Forrest,"
1146295;1432724233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56747 @ 0.00029737 = 16.8749 BTC [-]
1146296;1432725818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89954 @ 0.00029901 = 26.8971 BTC [+] {3} 
1146297;1432729539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88469 @ 0.00029279 = 25.9028 BTC [-] {2} 
1146298;1432729804;mircea_popescu;!up goregrind
1146299;1432729811;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1146300;1432729816;gribble;Current Blocks: 358240 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47387880401.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.90858
1146301;1432729844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00029682 = 11.8431 BTC [+]
1146302;1432730759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109225 @ 0.00029836 = 32.5884 BTC [+] {4} 
1146303;1432731307;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1146304;1432732833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29419 @ 0.00029791 = 8.7642 BTC [-]
1146305;1432735779;jurov;http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/the-moose-is-loose-linux-based-worm-turns-routers-into-social-network-bots/
1146306;1432735839;jurov;long overdue
1146307;1432735839;jurov;hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too
1146308;1432735839;jurov;;;rated davout
1146309;1432735840;gribble;You rated user davout on Tue Apr 22 11:42:23 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central; met IRL.
1146310;1432736030;asciilifeform;<jurov> hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too << these have remote login with default creds ?
1146311;1432736065;asciilifeform;'Once the router is powered off, it restarts without the worm present.' << lamers
1146312;1432736185;jurov;i wouldn't be surprised at all if baseband has that
1146313;1432736211;jurov;it's done by the same chumps as these routers
1146314;1432736246;asciilifeform;jurov: at this point, it would take a good bit to surprise me.
1146315;1432736258;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146154 << rootless kosmopolitan (TM) (R)
1146316;1432736258;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 08:53:47; mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
1146317;1432736415;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146155 << not one of those things is prime, for perfectly valid arithmetical reasons (see Apocalyptic's note about 641 and 6700417. and you can prove it, but i'm leaving it as an exercise for now)
1146318;1432736415;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 09:01:53; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
1146319;1432736475;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146171 << see the old 'promises vs mathematics' thread also.
1146320;1432736475;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 09:23:44; mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
1146321;1432736688;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146219 << my understanding is that similar establishments, under ru management, existed in the 'colonies' under a variety of names
1146322;1432736688;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 10:03:44; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
1146323;1432736750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the wares were marketed mainly to diplomatic staff, who were paid in a peculiar kind of scrip rather than ruble (which was Officially non-exportable)
1146324;1432736804;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146225 << yeah, same. i nearly imploded upon seeing that.
1146325;1432736804;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 10:05:20; *: mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex.
1146326;1432736914;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146238 << thing is about 50/50 'best of ru' and imported things.
1146327;1432736914;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 10:07:45; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what.
1146328;1432736961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the comments were gold. folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money.
1146329;1432737003;asciilifeform;(the trick was, the scrip was available on the black market, in exchange for ordinary - or as they were called, 'wooden' - ruble.)
1146330;1432737063;asciilifeform;in other news,
1146331;1432737111;asciilifeform;gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
1146332;1432737127;asciilifeform;i have a number of 'conventional' nodes where this warning now appears.
1146333;1432737132;asciilifeform;!up thestringpuller
1146334;1432737159;thestringpuller;https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/ << apparenlty this is shipping today? 2 months ahead of schedule...
1146335;1432737177;thestringpuller;6 times more than a pogo tho
1146336;1432737200;asciilifeform;costs like a real computer
1146337;1432737204;jurov;lol my parents were in '87 to moscow/leningrad and naively went shopping to "beriozka" for rubbles ... were told "dolary" and shown the door
1146338;1432737262;asciilifeform;jurov: common experience. vysotsky even had a mega-popular song about it.
1146339;1432737404;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: seems like "clustefuck to the hard fork" type deal goin on.
1146340;1432737446;jurov;have you seen gavin complaining research doesn't clearly support it?
1146341;1432737488;jurov;http://gavinandresen.svbtle.com/analysis-paralysis
1146342;1432737590;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: the trick with pogo, incidentally, is that its price is a rather artificial thing. my understanding is that they were sold 'at cost' and presently sold at liquidation price.
1146343;1432737618;asciilifeform;nothing - and i mean, -nothing- remotely comparable is available for any less than 6x the cost.
1146344;1432737662;asciilifeform;it is -literally- the cheapest device on the planet which runs bitcoin.
1146345;1432737663;jurov;there are n900's with broken gsm module available cheaply, and they have 32GB flash storage
1146346;1432737669;asciilifeform;jurov: ram ?
1146347;1432737679;jurov;512
1146348;1432737686;asciilifeform;and l0l try running your node over a gsm modem today
1146349;1432737698;asciilifeform;or wat, broken ?!
1146350;1432737699;jurov;80211n no, wifi still works
1146351;1432737701;asciilifeform;aha
1146352;1432737708;asciilifeform;how cheap is 'cheap' ?
1146353;1432737716;jurov;30eur
1146354;1432737728;asciilifeform;2-3x the cost of pogo.
1146355;1432737736;asciilifeform;and phone flash is typically dog-slow
1146356;1432737738;jurov;no here it's same as pogo
1146357;1432737759;asciilifeform;not to mention that 32GB is undersized.
1146358;1432737772;asciilifeform;you'd have to throw it out in a year or so.
1146359;1432737780;asciilifeform;(likely sooner)
1146360;1432737782;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146305 <----> http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ and other unrelated matter.
1146361;1432737782;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 14:09:39; jurov: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/the-moose-is-loose-linux-based-worm-turns-routers-into-social-network-bots/
1146362;1432737843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is no shortage of folks doing this even now.
1146363;1432737843;jurov;also you forget that you have to buy ssd for the pogo
1146364;1432737843;asciilifeform;jurov: true
1146365;1432737853;asciilifeform;jurov: but this applies to any device
1146366;1432737874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nor is there any hope for naive "social media" pseudo-businesses in the future.
1146367;1432737875;jurov;danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
1146368;1432737884;mircea_popescu;by which i mean facebook and its spawn, twitter, reddit etc.
1146369;1432737894;asciilifeform;because if something were to ship with the 128GB or whatnot that a sane person would ask for a node - built-in, the device would have a capped lifespan
1146370;1432737922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the payola from usg continues, life carries on. at no point are actual users required.
1146371;1432737930;asciilifeform;see also orlov's 'dead souls' essay.
1146372;1432737952;mircea_popescu;the idea isn't to make it impossible for the usg to pretend like itexists.
1146373;1432737961;mircea_popescu;the idea is to make it impossible for anyone to use it for any useful purpose.
1146374;1432737964;asciilifeform;jurov: i haven't a synced one. ask danielpbarron
1146375;1432737969;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the "republic of china" can carry on.
1146376;1432738039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can scarcely remember a time when it -was- usable for some useful purpose.
1146377;1432738049;asciilifeform;perhaps '06-07
1146378;1432738079;mircea_popescu;weren't you insisting, a day or two ago, that "these folks can still eat - unaffacted" ?
1146379;1432738087;asciilifeform;aha
1146380;1432738093;asciilifeform;because they get fed by usg automagically
1146381;1432738100;mircea_popescu;but then you yourself do notice that no, they can't eat, when you say "folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money."
1146382;1432738109;mircea_popescu;arentcha a bundle of contradictions!
1146383;1432738113;asciilifeform;wai wat
1146384;1432738116;mircea_popescu;in any case : the beatings will continue.
1146385;1432738127;mircea_popescu;soon enough usg folk will be able to eat paper and so on.
1146386;1432738160;asciilifeform;link to 'beriozka' is pertinent because at no point did the senior managerial caste lose their access to goodies
1146387;1432738177;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146331 << heh. nature red in tooth and claw. except of course those claws aren't all that impressive for mankind. not anymore at any rate.
1146388;1432738177;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
1146389;1432738189;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the usg senior caste has.
1146390;1432738201;mircea_popescu;look into what they eat for primo steak.
1146391;1432738207;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i spot obama in my local shitgrocery i will then agree.
1146392;1432738233;mircea_popescu;go eat at the wh sometime.
1146393;1432738234;asciilifeform;when he is picking the less-rotten tomatoes with his own two hands
1146394;1432738239;mircea_popescu;now that you have the experience of actual steak.
1146395;1432738271;asciilifeform;as far as i'm concerned, wh menu may or may not include flesh of virgins
1146396;1432738318;asciilifeform;postmen - will eat paper, yes
1146397;1432738325;mircea_popescu;lmao schmuck is STILL going on with his retarded "no comments allowed" posts about how bitcoin this or that ?
1146398;1432738327;asciilifeform;i've been informed that some already are
1146399;1432738327;mircea_popescu;ridoinculous.
1146400;1432738340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so.go.eat.at.wh.sometime
1146401;1432738343;mircea_popescu;not like it's THAT hard.
1146402;1432738358;asciilifeform;l0l i think they actually guard the parties now
1146403;1432738407;asciilifeform;so yes, postmen - will eat paper. but less than 2 yrs ago i was a guest at a house party of a fella who, it turned out, was middle management at nsa. he is not eating paper.
1146404;1432738413;asciilifeform;he eats very, very well.
1146405;1432738432;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> in any case : the beatings will continue.
1146406;1432738439;mircea_popescu;he will eat worse next year.
1146407;1432738454;asciilifeform;he will eat worse once he runs out of my and neighbour's fat.
1146408;1432738463;asciilifeform;and not before.
1146409;1432738508;jurov;if you so insist
1146410;1432738542;asciilifeform;jurov: dogs, then, also have fleas because they insist ?
1146411;1432738599;jurov;"on irc, no one knows i am a dog"
1146412;1432738622;asciilifeform;i like converse 'on the net, though no one might know, i am still a dog'
1146413;1432738642;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he has a point. yes, they will try, which is why you (the impersonal you) wants to get out of there.
1146414;1432738655;asciilifeform;and yes, if dog could get ddt - he would
1146415;1432738675;mircea_popescu;would it ?
1146416;1432738689;asciilifeform;certainly, if he knew of it
1146417;1432738695;mircea_popescu;how do you know this ?
1146418;1432738716;asciilifeform;cannot know, obviously
1146419;1432738722;asciilifeform;but only suspect
1146420;1432738732;mircea_popescu;maybe dog knows but believes it somehow is exceptional for him.
1146421;1432738740;mircea_popescu;"when i see birds using ddt i'll believe it" or somesuch
1146422;1432738761;asciilifeform;something almost aesopian about this
1146423;1432738766;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1146424;1432738832;asciilifeform;in other news, pump is running: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
1146425;1432738892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00030206 = 31.8673 BTC [+] {3} 
1146426;1432738892;jurov;btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
1146427;1432738892;asciilifeform;jurov: congrats !
1146428;1432738892;asciilifeform;germany is spiffy
1146429;1432738899;mircea_popescu;i will for the record point out that the way alf and apparently everyone else's adopted "pet" to refer to their SO is driving some of the slavegirls up the fucking walls.
1146430;1432738906;asciilifeform;l0l why
1146431;1432738922;mircea_popescu;because apparently tm
1146432;1432738976;asciilifeform;btw a pet is not simply any sex partner, but one that you keep fed, combed, vet visits, ..., etc. and don't send out to work for pay
1146433;1432738990;mircea_popescu;so = significant other
1146434;1432738993;asciilifeform;aha
1146435;1432739000;jurov;;;ud tm
1146436;1432739002;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TM | I'm honoured by TM's presense! I'm glad to be at your service TM! TM is at the battlefield fighting some gauls, brb. (note on the fridge by Caesar to Cleopatra).
1146437;1432739017;mircea_popescu;trademark lol
1146438;1432739026;asciilifeform;when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone'
1146439;1432739085;mircea_popescu;i suspek it's mostly because i use "good pet" as a congratulatory term. as opposed to variations of "you motherfuckin' bitch you!" and so on.
1146440;1432739094;asciilifeform;aha same
1146441;1432739144;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines
1146442;1432740233;jurov;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32895048 lol fifa brass detained, "But Fifa says it plans to go ahead with an election for president as planned."
1146443;1432740293;jurov;honey badgers of soccer
1146444;1432740395;jurov;of power rangers of ~ ?
1146445;1432740398;jurov;*or
1146446;1432740698;mircea_popescu;amusingly, romania had a similar thing going coupla years ago, sent half the coaches/club heads/trainers etc in the country behind bars
1146447;1432742490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210579 @ 0.00029656 = 62.4493 BTC [-] {2} 
1146448;1432742611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9100 @ 0.00014 = 1.274 BTC [-] {5} 
1146449;1432743099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00030055 = 7.2733 BTC [+]
1146450;1432743526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179950 @ 0.00030389 = 54.685 BTC [+] {3} 
1146451;1432743656;mats;http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150526/us--obama-nsa-surveillance-93f69ee917.html
1146452;1432743716;mats;" Obama noted that the controversial bulk phone collections program, which was exposed by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, is reformed in the House bill, which does away with it over six months and instead gives phone companies the responsibility of maintaining phone records that the government can search."
1146453;1432744370;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-05-2015#1144460
1146454;1432744370;assbot;Logged on 24-05-2015 15:09:42; mircea_popescu: mats eh, this is just a dog and pony show for young rand etc. what'll happen is the wh backe,d house vetted solution where the nsa doesn't keep the records, phone companies do, nsa just asks for what it needs.
1146455;1432744392;jurov;https://lwn.net/Articles/639427/ wow what a shitgnomery. concerned only narrowly with performance,throwing the opportunity to encrypt file metadata out of the window
1146456;1432744452;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146426 <<< come to france sometime, eat some real food
1146457;1432744452;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 15:01:32; jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
1146458;1432744467;jurov;lolk
1146459;1432745001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00030396 = 15.0156 BTC [+]
1146460;1432745554;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' << 'alerts' can be delivered per-node?
1146461;1432745733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36483 @ 0.00030408 = 11.0938 BTC [+] {2} 
1146462;1432745818;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
1146463;1432746431;mats;http://news.usni.org/2015/05/26/document-chinas-military-strategy
1146464;1432748687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71607 @ 0.00029627 = 21.215 BTC [-] {2} 
1146465;1432749043;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1146466;1432749596;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146462 << pray tell, why ?
1146467;1432749596;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 16:56:58; ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
1146468;1432749918;ben_vulpes;livestock vs pets
1146469;1432749940;ascii_field;i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
1146470;1432750212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100200 @ 0.00029267 = 29.3255 BTC [-]
1146471;1432751191;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1146472;1432751211;ben_vulpes;not husbandry in the marital sense, ascii_field
1146473;1432751378;ascii_field;i still don't get it
1146474;1432751895;mats;http://warontherocks.com/2015/05/the-a-10-the-f-35-and-the-future-of-close-air-support-part-i
1146475;1432751955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00029477 = 3.6699 BTC [+]
1146476;1432751981;mats;so, whats going on here is that the USAF has been trying to kill the A-10 aircraft for some time now, largely on the basis that they don't really give a shit about the Army and don't want to provide support to other programs with money from their own budget
1146477;1432752109;mats;which would be fine except there's no way to replace the capability of the A-10 with something else
1146478;1432752158;ascii_field;good riddance and three cheers to the eventual replacement of all usg aircraft with paper airplanes.
1146479;1432752260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18721 @ 0.00029477 = 5.5184 BTC [+]
1146480;1432752809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79036 @ 0.00029268 = 23.1323 BTC [-] {3} 
1146481;1432752993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.0002924 = 8.3626 BTC [-]
1146482;1432753541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00029477 = 19.3074 BTC [+]
1146483;1432753846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155507 @ 0.00029958 = 46.5868 BTC [+] {6} 
1146484;1432753893;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146367 <<  45G     .bitcoin/
1146485;1432753893;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 14:44:35; jurov: danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
1146486;1432753918;jurov;wow
1146487;1432753934;danielpbarron;solidly in the "you need a 64g thing" territory
1146488;1432754032;danielpbarron;it's about the same size on my non-pogo node; how big is it for the "core" implementation
1146489;1432754244;mod6;my full sync's (non-pogo) with v0.5.3.1 are about the same 44-45Gb
1146490;1432754536;jurov;44G, too
1146491;1432754543;jurov;on 0.10
1146492;1432755615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18799 @ 0.00030703 = 5.7719 BTC [+] {2} 
1146493;1432755676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3301 @ 0.00030854 = 1.0185 BTC [+]
1146494;1432755842;mircea_popescu;ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
1146495;1432755905;mircea_popescu;jurov seems they're making the point quite plainly : "we call this encryption, but really it's only intended to keep your pictures on stolen phones away from the thief. nothing absolutely to do with security, just a gimmick"
1146496;1432755914;mircea_popescu;the age old new jersey 90%.
1146497;1432755981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00030025 = 12.3703 BTC [-]
1146498;1432755989;jurov;more like "intended to keep application data away from phone owner"
1146499;1432756008;mircea_popescu;mats not just the thunderbolt. same story with the warthog. idea being basically "we wish to move on from this real-items tethered system of bezzle to a system of pure bezzle. we do not wish to have any further actual items involved in the entire allocation and expenditure of budgets thing"
1146500;1432756011;jurov;pics are nowhere mentioned, they§ll stay unencrypted
1146501;1432756033;mircea_popescu;i can see why, too. if there's no actual items involved there's much less risk to doing it all, as nobody can ever be shown definitively to have fucked up.
1146502;1432756040;mircea_popescu;the social "sciences" approach to life.
1146503;1432756078;mircea_popescu;jurov well all is good then :D
1146504;1432756085;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1146505;1432756118;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146494 << l0l who said unexercised.
1146506;1432756118;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 19:44:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
1146507;1432756331;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well inasmuch as that's what  "produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone" means, you did.
1146508;1432756428;ascii_field;i do agree, pets must be exercised properly
1146509;1432756434;ascii_field;but there is more than one way to do it.
1146510;1432756465;ascii_field;some kinds of pet, for instance, may be turned loose to roam and hunt
1146511;1432756470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00030856 = 20.4112 BTC [+] {2} 
1146512;1432756478;ascii_field;others - walked, on a leash
1146513;1432756826;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/30mm_GAU-8_Avenger_round.jpg << warthog bullets ftr
1146514;1432756957;ascii_field;unrelated: anybody locate the inevitable pgp client which only looks at bottom (or top) 32 bits of each 64-bit modulus chunk when computing fingerprint ?
1146515;1432756961;ascii_field;because we know that it exists
1146516;1432756977;ascii_field;just not -which-.
1146517;1432756979;mircea_popescu;hunt for it has been ongoing, but we don't have one yet
1146518;1432757002;mircea_popescu;the chumps derping about self-importantly on "cryptographic" "lists" etc are certainly using it - but so far too dumb to realise they shyould be looking.
1146519;1432757006;*;mircea_popescu waves at idiots. 
1146520;1432757027;ascii_field;perhaps time for a bounty ?
1146521;1432757033;*;ascii_field checks back pockets for loose coins
1146522;1432757142;mircea_popescu;unbountyable
1146523;1432757149;ascii_field;?
1146524;1432757158;mircea_popescu;(i could diddle one too, what use is it. we need the actual item, not something custom made)
1146525;1432757181;ascii_field;naturally bounty would require proving that the animal existed in the wild prior to the discovery
1146526;1432757189;ascii_field;this is not entirely impossible
1146527;1432757351;mircea_popescu;i'd much rather take someone's word. which requires people motivated by their own functioning head.
1146528;1432757398;ascii_field;i conjecture that the overlap of these and the folks using chump-pgp is a null set
1146529;1432757411;ascii_field;so it'll have to be a digging expedition
1146530;1432757416;ascii_field;complete with ancient versions of winblows, etc
1146531;1432757496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.00030914 = 31.9032 BTC [+] {2} 
1146532;1432757557;mircea_popescu;since we were discussing airplanes : f-15, pretty much the only successful military jet to be ever designed and produced by the us by itself, has cost ~35 bn for the ~1200 items produced, and has managed a total kill score of ~100.
1146533;1432757575;mircea_popescu;this means each aerial victory the us has obtained through its most successful program to date cost ~350 million dollars.
1146534;1432757603;mircea_popescu;anyone wonder why they prefer to win imaginary victories via bribing whatever newspaper is fashionable that day ? shit's damned expensive.
1146535;1432757613;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: very much broken assumption here, though
1146536;1432757620;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the airplane was not built for victories
1146537;1432757630;mircea_popescu;i don't care what people intend.
1146538;1432757633;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it was made to 1) intimidate 2) churn money
1146539;1432757656;ascii_field;afaik it works great for 1+2 and therefore meets spec
1146540;1432757750;mircea_popescu;mig 21 was never intimidated by it.
1146541;1432757863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20633 @ 0.00030849 = 6.3651 BTC [-]
1146542;1432758598;mircea_popescu;speaking of pets, milk & all, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlu6dN1EE1r4oqcfo1_500.gif
1146543;1432758711;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1146544;1432758722;*;ascii_field just noticed anal pattern in mircea_popescu's links
1146545;1432758735;mircea_popescu;anal patel ?
1146546;1432758790;ascii_field;just that iirc all of the gurlz are being buggered
1146547;1432758822;ascii_field;'different strokes for different folks' (TM) (R)
1146548;1432758826;mircea_popescu;maybe they're gay.
1146549;1432759149;mircea_popescu;by special demand : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9bqaiYSO1qivwiwo1_1280.jpg
1146550;1432759383;*;ascii_field amused that ^this is exotic while buggery - sop
1146551;1432759409;ascii_field;'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by an inch' (TM) (R)
1146552;1432759419;mircea_popescu;romanian expression of superlative chickdom being, "as fute-o si-n pizda"
1146553;1432759427;mircea_popescu;"i'd fuck her even in the cunt!"
1146554;1432759558;ascii_field;l0l
1146555;1432759578;ascii_field;i don't get it, how did buggery become the 'standard' ?
1146556;1432759593;*;ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses
1146557;1432759643;*;ascii_field finds it an utterly incomprehensible taste, like the idea of fucking a garden hose
1146558;1432760491;mircea_popescu;ever tried it ?
1146559;1432760511;ascii_field;garden hose is far ahead on the list of what to try
1146560;1432760523;ascii_field;as is old boot
1146561;1432760526;ascii_field;and accordion
1146562;1432760551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24617 @ 0.00030849 = 7.5941 BTC [-]
1146563;1432760557;mircea_popescu;so you don't understand the appeal of something you've never tried. not so remarkable neh ?
1146564;1432760563;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, weirdest video of today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7J87UP-9Ww
1146565;1432760623;mircea_popescu;take that vexual.
1146566;1432760623;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1146567;1432760670;ascii_field;i haven't tried coprophagia either
1146568;1432760675;ascii_field;have you?
1146569;1432760708;ascii_field;perhaps it is instantly addictive!
1146570;1432760856;mircea_popescu;i know some people that have, let's put it this way.
1146571;1432760882;mircea_popescu;but the error here's thinking of sexual behaviour in objective terms. there's no such thing.
1146572;1432760890;ascii_field;well yes.
1146573;1432760897;ascii_field;hence the 'different stokes' proverb
1146574;1432760900;mircea_popescu;or as that chick in pride and prejudice points out, "sometimes it seems like wanting someone to stick his finger in your nose"
1146575;1432760934;*;ascii_field had not read it
1146576;1432760970;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145139 << also, not anal.
1146577;1432760970;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 09:03:12; mircea_popescu: in other news, this is why the girl should be taller than you : http://31.media.tumblr.com/20c2f2e3dd873ef89624ae370538a6da/tumblr_mub7xj0noX1sjfxgho1_400.gif
1146578;1432761015;ascii_field;ambiguous
1146579;1432761035;ascii_field;but i can see it.
1146580;1432762227;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146556 <<< i know eh, they poop from there after all
1146581;1432762227;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 20:46:33; *: ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses
1146582;1432762820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25377 @ 0.00030025 = 7.6194 BTC [-]
1146583;1432762870;danielpbarron;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp << is boost only needed for the FOREACH loops and some hardware control stuff in the mining functions?
1146584;1432762930;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1146585;1432762930;danielpbarron;!up ascii_field
1146586;1432762945;ascii_field;danielpbarron: needed for just about all of the data structures !
1146587;1432762949;ascii_field;srsly
1146588;1432762978;ascii_field;whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper
1146589;1432762991;danielpbarron;is it possible to replace all the foreach loops with regular old for loops?
1146590;1432763014;ascii_field;danielpbarron: in principle. bloating the code 20x
1146591;1432763058;ascii_field;and you would have to replace the lists, hashmaps, etc. with something equivalent
1146592;1432763100;mircea_popescu;yeah sadly this is not really distinct from plain rewrite
1146593;1432763182;ascii_field;not only this, but the inevitable result would be a re-implementation of 'boost.'
1146594;1432763221;ascii_field;cpp is a turd and it is boost which was used here to keep the turd sufficiently solid for lathe work
1146595;1432763784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171756 @ 0.00030673 = 52.6827 BTC [+] {4} 
1146596;1432765004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50266 @ 0.00031128 = 15.6468 BTC [+] {2} 
1146597;1432765313;mod6;<+ascii_field> whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper << i saw some power-ranger derping in -dev about how it only use boost for "FOREACH" loops. was thinking "have you actually even read the code?!?"
1146598;1432765797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0002996 = 2.7264 BTC [-] {2} 
1146599;1432766590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00029653 = 14.9155 BTC [-] {3} 
1146600;1432767505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27719 @ 0.00029225 = 8.1009 BTC [-] {2} 
1146601;1432768311;williamdunne;How is everyone doing?
1146602;1432768505;BingoBoingo;Eh, doing
1146603;1432768908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32876 @ 0.00029173 = 9.5909 BTC [-] {2} 
1146604;1432768969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15883 @ 0.00029071 = 4.6173 BTC [-] {2} 
1146605;1432769823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00029115 = 10.3941 BTC [+]
1146606;1432770922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13146 @ 0.00029115 = 3.8275 BTC [+]
1146607;1432771024;trinque;;;later tell gabriel_laddel I did a git pull, and now the repl fills with dots perpetually instead of freezing, looks like the stumpwm process is doing a lot
1146608;1432771025;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1146609;1432771215;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146331 << Can confirm
1146610;1432771215;assbot;Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
1146611;1432771324;danielpbarron;^ also can confirm
1146612;1432771347;BingoBoingo;Apparently when this started http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/21#l1432217513.0
1146613;1432771428;mats;https://plus.google.com/+gimp/posts/cxhB1PScFpe
1146614;1432771488;BingoBoingo;Not questioner is refered to https://archive.is/F1OK7 which does not mention latest alert
1146615;1432771548;mats;SourceForge has been diddling downloads for some years...
1146616;1432771610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.0003115 = 4.2831 BTC [+]
1146617;1432771878;mats;https://youtu.be/-qqx3_e-kCA
1146618;1432771938;danielpbarron;lol gimp on winblows? is it so hard to crack photoshop these days?
1146619;1432772066;williamdunne;copy amtlib.dll paste
1146620;1432772534;BingoBoingo;Oh, and look what just popped up on reddit after being mentioned here another time: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37j3cf/network_alert_circulating/
1146621;1432772734;*;ben_vulpes surfaces
1146622;1432772760;ben_vulpes;<ascii_field> i do agree, pets must be exercised properly << exercise for pets. yokes for my oxen, saddles for my horses, mice for my cats, and coyotes for my dogs.
1146623;1432772835;mats;a weighted vest is incredible for training a dog
1146624;1432772898;mats;and so are weighted toys
1146625;1432773637;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/32rng.jpg
1146626;1432773697;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1146627;1432773697;asciilifeform;^ just in now
1146628;1432773851;BingoBoingo;Beautiful
1146629;1432773900;BingoBoingo;So what all versions of bitcoin has everyone here been seeing alerts on? 0.7 series here. danielpbarron?
1146630;1432774082;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/2a822987dd710427328fa458a4141e060c39a755/src/main.cpp#L2019
1146631;1432774142;asciilifeform;^ possible answer to the riddle
1146632;1432774142;asciilifeform;^ shitgnome key not involved; but proliferation of shitgnomiferous nodes leads to the trap
1146633;1432774142;danielpbarron;yeah 0.7.2 here
1146634;1432774151;danielpbarron;did not see it on my 0.5.3.x
1146635;1432774163;danielpbarron;confirming that the patch did in fact remove it
1146636;1432774164;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: because the trap isn't there
1146637;1432774447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77116 @ 0.00031081 = 23.9684 BTC [-] {3} 
1146638;1432774599;BingoBoingo;Oh, apparently that reddit post has a comment, but it is invisibru
1146639;1432775276;BingoBoingo;http://i.imgur.com/sNSMMbz.jpg
1146640;1432775634;cazalla;i've been getting those alerts for some months and i get hit with orphans and other shit when it happens and have to use a backup to start again
1146641;1432777715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6782 @ 0.00030922 = 2.0971 BTC [-]
1146642;1432777918;BingoBoingo;MPOE seems like It's been awfully stable at the 3 mark lately
1146643;1432778935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00030714 = 5.5746 BTC [-] {2} 
1146644;1432779048;mats;its bumming me out
1146645;1432779057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.0003045 = 4.7807 BTC [-]
1146646;1432779381;*;BingoBoingo may or may not be backing into MPOE monthly. Provided a given person didn't put too much into MPOE at 8+ and MPOE stabilizes long term near 5, could still be profitable. 
1146647;1432780599;decimation;asciilifeform: didn't you need a note from stalin to shop in the dollar store in su?
1146648;1432780626;decimation;surely some prole showing up with dollars would be enough cause to send the local security to check him out
1146649;1432781898;decimation;!up Jrum
1146650;1432781902;decimation;!up mogreen
1146651;1432781985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00030494 = 8.6603 BTC [+]
1146652;1432782168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26608 @ 0.00031178 = 8.2958 BTC [+] {2} 
1146653;1432782183;asciilifeform;decimation: more complicated than this. you couldn't spend dollars per se in there, had to use special 'funny money'
1146654;1432782224;asciilifeform;which one got either by trading in dollars at airport (if you are a foreign tourist) or by having been paid in it in the first place, on account of being diplomatic staff or similar
1146655;1432782229;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So like the strip club
1146656;1432782240;asciilifeform;wai wat
1146657;1432782248;asciilifeform;what strip club works like this ?
1146658;1432782288;decimation;asciilifeform: so this was mainly limited to foreign embassy staff?
1146659;1432782302;asciilifeform;decimation: this particular variant of the 'k00l k1dz' store - yes
1146660;1432782304;asciilifeform;there were others
1146661;1432782310;asciilifeform;not sure if a complete list even exists
1146662;1432782317;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: A number of shittier ones. You trade dollars for "club money" dancers trade the club monopoly money for dollars. Like casino chips, but more tarded
1146663;1432782355;BingoBoingo;!up kalki
1146664;1432782359;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: presumably this is done to smooth the vig collection ?
1146665;1432782367;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: indeed
1146666;1432782376;kalki;grettings
1146667;1432782381;decimation;kinda ths same idea at casinos?
1146668;1432782388;kalki;greetings
1146669;1432782403;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: also for revenue reasons. No customer wants to wait to cash back into outside money at the end of the night.
1146670;1432782430;BingoBoingo;!up tcrypt
1146671;1432782487;asciilifeform;decimation: on second look, there were 'beriozka' ('birch') shops which took dollars directly
1146672;1432782492;asciilifeform;mainly near hotels.
1146673;1432782522;asciilifeform;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%91%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0_%28%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%29#/media/File:%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BA.JPG
1146674;1432782582;asciilifeform;^ funnymoney
1146675;1432782582;asciilifeform;back side reads 'this cheque is not subject to resale'
1146676;1432782582;asciilifeform;abolished in '88.
1146677;1432782627;asciilifeform;amusing story was, that the closure was announced in advance. and holders of the 'cheques' struggled to cash them in, somehow, somewhere
1146678;1432782634;asciilifeform;was a kind of 'bitcoin gem'
1146679;1432782696;asciilifeform;the shops ended up 'privatized'
1146680;1432782700;asciilifeform;and eventually disappeared
1146681;1432782749;decimation;heh that's amusing
1146682;1432782760;asciilifeform;in '91 dollars were legalized
1146683;1432782769;asciilifeform;and the remaining 'birch' took them directly from all-comers.
1146684;1432782815;asciilifeform;(to clarify, 'cheques' were abolished in '88, rather than the k00l k1dz shops)
1146685;1432782826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00031329 = 18.1708 BTC [+] {4} 
1146686;1432782862;*;asciilifeform never saw one of these things alive, only knows secondhand
1146687;1432782895;decimation;so presumably these 'cheques' were only handed out to foreigners and people with notes from stalin
1146688;1432782901;asciilifeform;aha.
1146689;1432783006;decimation;I wouldn't mind collecting a few of those
1146690;1432783016;decimation;I would add them to my collection of weimar notes
1146691;1432783055;asciilifeform;decimation: could easily expand the collection with a dozen kinds of sov-era toilet paper
1146692;1432783091;asciilifeform;http://img35.olx.ua/images_slandocomua/132220713_3_644x461_kupony-ukraina-unc-kollektsionirovanie.jpg
1146693;1432783151;*;asciilifeform traded a shoebox full of these ^ for his first $1 usd
1146694;1432783200;decimation;heh all the pastel colors
1146695;1432783217;asciilifeform;these, incidentally, were printed on machines hastily flown in from usa
1146696;1432783225;asciilifeform;and there were some interesting production glitches
1146697;1432783249;decimation;http://snyderstreasures.com/images/paper/currency/5RM1Aug42F.jpg < the third reich currency is of much better quality (i have a couple of these too)
1146698;1432783309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00030578 = 15.289 BTC [-]
1146699;1432783309;asciilifeform;who's the fella in the picture ?
1146700;1432783311;decimation;donno, some dude I guess.  I have another with a young woman on it too
1146701;1432783312;decimation;'hitlerjunge'
1146702;1432783460;asciilifeform;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86#/media/File:UkraineP55-200Karbowanez-1942_f.jpg << occupation ua
1146703;1432783520;asciilifeform;mostly western ua, did not circulate in romanian zone
1146704;1432783533;asciilifeform;speaking of which,
1146705;1432783601;*;asciilifeform spotted a gurl from transylvania today; she worked in a restaurant; queried based on accent, familiar from hanging out with mircea_popescu
1146706;1432783647;asciilifeform;this is only 2nd or 3rd time i ran into anyone from ro in 22+ yrs of sitting in usa
1146707;1432783661;asciilifeform;generally these folks have better sense than to come here.
1146708;1432783710;decimation;my father had some romanian carpenters set his nice wood floor
1146709;1432783753;decimation;heh > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsmark < "The Soviet Union demanded copies of the engraving plates, ink, and associated equipment in early 1944, and on 14 April 1944 Henry Morgenthau and Harry Dexter White of the U.S. Treasury Department authorized the immediate air transfer of these to the USSR. Using a printing plant in occupied Leipzig, the Soviet authorities printed large runs of occupation marks. Since these were converti
1146710;1432783813;asciilifeform;this encounter was actually very interesting, because even from across the room and with naked eye, could tell she was not from usa --
1146711;1432783813;asciilifeform;because had a human face instead of 'robotic statue'
1146712;1432783813;decimation;heh
1146713;1432783837;asciilifeform;i almost wanted to ask 'what are you doing here, in the kingdom of malicious robots, fellow earthling'
1146714;1432783854;decimation;in my experience this is worse on the east coast
1146715;1432783875;decimation;I think people's reaction to high population density is to treat humans as if they were robots
1146716;1432783898;asciilifeform;can't say that we have 'tokyo' population density here in d.c. suburbs.
1146717;1432783907;asciilifeform;if anything, far lower than, e.g., buenos aires
1146718;1432783913;asciilifeform;but here - robots, there - people.
1146719;1432783927;decimation;yeah that's a fair point.
1146720;1432783995;decimation;perhaps it's the narcissism.  "your real self" is only shown to those whom you select
1146721;1432784029;asciilifeform;perhaps only behind closed doors
1146722;1432784033;decimation;after all, if you could see the size of the egos in the dc area you would find tokyo roomy
1146723;1432784039;asciilifeform;when talking to chums, etc. in public, these folks have precisely same face.
1146724;1432784087;*;asciilifeform is speaking of women, primarily; men seem to wear proverbial 'poker face' just about anywhere
1146725;1432784237;decimation;asciilifeform: I wonder what it was like to walk around in a society where marriages were arranged
1146726;1432784254;decimation;thus freeing women from unwanted sexual attention to some degree
1146727;1432784312;decimation;!up mogreen
1146728;1432784608;decimation;!up Xuthus
1146729;1432785021;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt0BJ0QE-9Y << mega-relevant
1146730;1432785082;asciilifeform;^ 18th episode of ru cult-cartoon 'just you wait' - a kind of sov. equivalent of american 'tom & jerry', takes place in 'beriozka' shop
1146731;1432785508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00030836 = 5.0879 BTC [+]
1146732;1432785609;decimation;asciilifeform: heh the vacuum has a 'GE' logo
1146733;1432785935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50439 @ 0.0003136 = 15.8177 BTC [+] {2} 
1146734;1432786362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.0003142 = 25.7958 BTC [+] {3} 
1146735;1432786667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57050 @ 0.00030833 = 17.5902 BTC [-] {2} 
1146736;1432789412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.0003091 = 2.2011 BTC [+]
1146737;1432789656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00030785 = 6.5418 BTC [-]
1146738;1432790083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00030785 = 16.2853 BTC [-]
1146739;1432790632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51050 @ 0.00030999 = 15.825 BTC [+] {2} 
1146740;1432792096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00031452 = 15.6631 BTC [+] {2} 
1146741;1432792340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34156 @ 0.00031482 = 10.753 BTC [+]
1146742;1432792523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147962 @ 0.00030541 = 45.1891 BTC [-] {3} 
1146743;1432794048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00030185 = 4.1052 BTC [-]
1146744;1432794844;fluffypony;q
1146745;1432794902;fluffypony;that was supposed to be me closing my IRC client
1146746;1432794905;*;fluffypony needs more coffee
1146747;1432794913;*;fluffypony is afk
1146748;1432796732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00030185 = 15.7264 BTC [-]
1146749;1432797248;BingoBoingo;!up TheAdversary
1146750;1432797586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00030158 = 19.3162 BTC [-] {3} 
1146751;1432799422;BingoBoingo;Watchmen (2009) has a beautiful black Mac SE/30
1146752;1432799843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.0003035 = 12.1704 BTC [+]
1146753;1432800026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.0003035 = 4.4008 BTC [+]
1146754;1432801438;scoopbot_revived;An inconsiderable speck. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/28/an-inconsiderable-speck/
1146755;1432802832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00030345 = 8.0263 BTC [-]
1146756;1432802913;davout;mod6: nice work on the metrics gathering!
1146757;1432802982;davout;did you measure the total consumed BW for each sync?
1146758;1432803001;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o hey, nice.
1146759;1432803236;BingoBoingo;davout: How much of what kind of CPU is monero taking as it syncs?
1146760;1432803381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18338 @ 0.0003035 = 5.5656 BTC [+]
1146761;1432803409;davout;BingoBoingo: doesn't seem to use up a lot
1146762;1432803429;davout;I have ~16% CPU, 32% MEM
1146763;1432803447;davout;the box has 4gb ram
1146764;1432803458;BingoBoingo;davout: And it still takes so long to sync days?
1146765;1432803496;davout;I'm 158 days behind still
1146766;1432803516;mircea_popescu;sounds more like a weak network than anything
1146767;1432803756;BingoBoingo;If monero's still around in a year might be interested.
1146768;1432803785;BingoBoingo;That would still be like getting into Bitcoin in 2011-ish
1146769;1432804113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00031482 = 2.8649 BTC [+]
1146770;1432804903;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146642 << at least it stopped checking out the teenaged prices.
1146771;1432804903;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 01:51:58; BingoBoingo: MPOE seems like It's been awfully stable at the 3 mark lately
1146772;1432804911;BingoBoingo;yeah
1146773;1432805042;BingoBoingo;This is probably either one of the best or the worst times to move into s.mpoe
1146774;1432805073;*;BingoBoingo rather... marinated... discovered #fatpeoplehate is a channel on freenode
1146775;1432805189;BingoBoingo;so cathartic
1146776;1432805211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00030543 = 15.9434 BTC [-]
1146777;1432805221;BingoBoingo;probably appeal less to #b-a members not in the god damned middle west
1146778;1432805272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61750 @ 0.00031483 = 19.4408 BTC [+] {2} 
1146779;1432805363;mircea_popescu;it is /!
1146780;1432805365;mircea_popescu;?!
1146781;1432805467;BingoBoingo;It really is. Apparently they organize around a reddit, butwho knows how long that part will last given reddit's censorship.
1146782;1432805718;mircea_popescu;heh
1146783;1432805868;BingoBoingo;Mebbe they move to 8chan for moar ad impressions?
1146784;1432806014;BingoBoingo;!up diana_coman
1146785;1432806041;cazalla;gee that was one awful hangover
1146786;1432806061;*;BingoBoingo not even done drinking and next hangover is beginning
1146787;1432806089;cazalla;imma go to AA or something lol
1146788;1432806200;BingoBoingo;But who will help keep the #b-a glass full?
1146789;1432806274;cazalla;"If you answered �yes� to more than 8 questions, you may have a serious level of alcohol-related problems requiring immediate attention and possible treatment."
1146790;1432806289;*;cazalla scores 22, what's this 8 business?
1146791;1432806309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00030543 = 8.3688 BTC [-]
1146792;1432806466;cazalla;BingoBoingo, full? it's been spilling over for months if not years
1146793;1432806495;BingoBoingo;cazalla: We got to carry it inshifts like and olympic torch
1146794;1432806500;BingoBoingo;!s olympic
1146795;1432806501;assbot;39 results for 'olympic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=olympic
1146796;1432806693;cazalla;i don't really want to be a gold medal winner at drinking
1146797;1432806705;BingoBoingo;I kinda still do
1146798;1432806736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121881 @ 0.00031851 = 38.8203 BTC [+] {2} 
1146799;1432806772;cazalla;the shit is too expensive anyway
1146800;1432806799;BingoBoingo;http://8ch.net/btc/res/331.html#340 lol
1146801;1432808140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00031868 = 8.5088 BTC [+]
1146802;1432808502;mircea_popescu;lol jay
1146803;1432808562;BingoBoingo;Don't forget silent bob, he kinda filmed it
1146804;1432808608;BingoBoingo;I also kinda like/might have wrote http://8ch.net/btc/res/332.html#q341
1146805;1432808668;cazalla;don't link my drunken shit posting :P
1146806;1432808675;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I dun know how you imageboard post. You aussies are all alike.
1146807;1432808687;BingoBoingo;On that medium
1146808;1432808688;cazalla;dats raysis
1146809;1432808700;BingoBoingo;Not as racis as dem abbos
1146810;1432808762;BingoBoingo;Linked from fatpeoplehate IRC https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/xo41d/doctorsnursesredditors_what_has_been_your_most/c5o66p2
1146811;1432808932;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146705 << ahaha win.
1146812;1432808932;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 03:26:41; *: asciilifeform spotted a gurl from transylvania today; she worked in a restaurant; queried based on accent, familiar from hanging out with mircea_popescu
1146813;1432808937;mircea_popescu;so where was she from ?
1146814;1432808995;*;BingoBoingo guesses Cluj
1146815;1432809104;BingoBoingo;Nice one whoever http://8ch.net/btc/res/322.html#q343
1146816;1432809240;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146729 << heh nu zayet... moderately popular in ro of the 90s.
1146817;1432809240;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 03:50:21; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt0BJ0QE-9Y << mega-relevant
1146818;1432809835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00031567 = 15.3889 BTC [-] {2} 
1146819;1432810445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42943 @ 0.00031836 = 13.6713 BTC [+] {2} 
1146820;1432810506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49257 @ 0.00031882 = 15.7041 BTC [+]
1146821;1432810581;BingoBoingo;!up PinkPosixPXE
1146822;1432810584;BingoBoingo;!up chatquack
1146823;1432812214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00031086 = 8.3777 BTC [-] {2} 
1146824;1432812229;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel
1146825;1432812281;gabriel_laddel;trinque: send you an email with the solution
1146826;1432812703;gabriel_laddel; s/send/sent
1146827;1432812896;BingoBoingo;lol http://wptavern.com/wordpress-theme-review-team-is-cracking-down-on-violations-of-the-presentation-vs-functionality-guideline
1146828;1432813078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.0003147 = 18.6302 BTC [+] {2} 
1146829;1432813102;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell nubbins` where all did you live in Korea?
1146830;1432813103;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1146831;1432813149;BingoBoingo;lol http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/05/fifa_arrests_sepp_blatter_s_organization_might_actually_go_down_thanks_to.html
1146832;1432813209;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Isn't nubbsy in twodogs land?
1146833;1432813209;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: I've nfi what twodogs land is and idk
1146834;1432813217;BingoBoingo;!s twodogsland
1146835;1432813218;assbot;0 results for 'twodogsland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogsland
1146836;1432813226;BingoBoingo;!s twodogs land
1146837;1432813227;assbot;0 results for 'twodogs land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogs+land
1146838;1432813238;BingoBoingo;!s two dogs land
1146839;1432813238;assbot;0 results for 'two dogs land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=two+dogs+land
1146840;1432813242;BingoBoingo;huh
1146841;1432813514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00030878 = 17.5696 BTC [-]
1146842;1432813880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.0003066 = 12.9692 BTC [-] {2} 
1146843;1432814060;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo basically, these dudes allowed the us into soccer in the 80s, now the us doesn't want them to be the bosses anymore.
1146844;1432814075;BingoBoingo;pretty much
1146845;1432814081;mircea_popescu;pretty cheeky.
1146846;1432814142;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd3hurG6I1ri9dzjo1_500.gif
1146847;1432814202;BingoBoingo;Kinda what US just doing what it does
1146848;1432814202;mircea_popescu;fifa should probably just convict "us prosecutors" for fraud etc.
1146849;1432814231;BingoBoingo;Basketball and Hockey were US tamed pretty readily, but the last couple years European teams started doing a bunch of exhibition games in the US and selling out so Nike and Gatorade had to call their congressmen
1146850;1432814256;mircea_popescu;lol
1146851;1432814276;BingoBoingo;Because OMG Serbia Vs. Croatia sold 45,000 tickets in a third tier midwestern city for and exhibition game
1146852;1432814354;mircea_popescu;that said, a bunch of these twerps were pretty rotten. jack warner being a fine example
1146853;1432814361;mircea_popescu;of course he got kicked out years ago, but whatevs.
1146854;1432814388;gabriel_laddel;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji6aYOJJHhY << re: stoya (MP's latest news)
1146855;1432814448;gabriel_laddel;re:ass-pussy (buggery) http://cdn.ftvgirls.com/images/super/update/large/065.jpg
1146856;1432814508;gabriel_laddel;also, http://cdn.ftvgirls.com/images/super/update/large/183.jpg
1146857;1432814568;gabriel_laddel;!s epic mega-series
1146858;1432814569;assbot;1 results for 'epic mega-series' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=epic+mega-series
1146859;1432814569;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: To be fair in illustrating the US's humiliation over the soccer situation the US's most bezzel'd league had teams selling tickets under five dollars to not fill stadiums in some the same cities soccer was selling out.
1146860;1432814576;BingoBoingo;They are embarassed
1146861;1432814656;BingoBoingo;They also don't so anything in the way of running a minor league either, but...
1146862;1432814690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00030537 = 22.0783 BTC [-] {2} 
1146863;1432814928;BingoBoingo;The hockey situation in the US/Canada isn't much better. A number of great players drafted by NHL teams are staying in the KHL
1146864;1432814944;BingoBoingo;;;google vladimir sbotka
1146865;1432814945;gribble;Vladimír Sobotka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladim%C3%ADr_Sobotka>; Vladimir Sobotka - St Louis Blues - NHL.com: <http://blues.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8471743>; Vladimir Sobotka, Blues - Stats - NHL.com - Players: <http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471743>
1146866;1432815056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28657 @ 0.00031416 = 9.0029 BTC [+] {2} 
1146867;1432815422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40726 @ 0.0003194 = 13.0079 BTC [+] {2} 
1146868;1432817618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20009 @ 0.00031417 = 6.2862 BTC [-] {2} 
1146869;1432818289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52521 @ 0.00031136 = 16.3529 BTC [-]
1146870;1432818777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21352 @ 0.00031981 = 6.8286 BTC [+]
1146871;1432819021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12738 @ 0.00031136 = 3.9661 BTC [-]
1146872;1432819820;gabriel_laddel;hola pete_dushenski
1146873;1432819853;gabriel_laddel;!up pete_dushenski
1146874;1432819869;pete_dushenski;hola gabe !
1146875;1432819904;gabriel_laddel;so what jurisdiction are you visiting today?
1146876;1432819915;pete_dushenski;bern today.
1146877;1432819927;pete_dushenski;and the sun is *finally* shining !
1146878;1432819942;pete_dushenski;22C and crystal clear blue skies
1146879;1432819971;pete_dushenski;spring is definitely in the air in switzerland
1146880;1432819971;gabriel_laddel;sorry, bern?
1146881;1432819974;gabriel_laddel;ah
1146882;1432819979;gabriel_laddel;ohhoho
1146883;1432819985;pete_dushenski;my goodness can these people garden
1146884;1432819986;gabriel_laddel;that sounds lovely
1146885;1432820003;pete_dushenski;it is :)
1146886;1432820031;pete_dushenski;sort of a quieter, smaller scale japan full of big-eyed folks
1146887;1432820042;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: you've been to JP?
1146888;1432820050;pete_dushenski;ayup.
1146889;1432820072;pete_dushenski;tokyo, osaka, nagasaki
1146890;1432820101;pete_dushenski;spent a few days in each
1146891;1432820263;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-05-2015#1144993 << heh.
1146892;1432820263;assbot;Logged on 26-05-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something.
1146893;1432820306;*;pete_dushenski imagine a japanimation lockness bursting forth from between girl's legs
1146894;1432820378;gabriel_laddel;Oh that would make a lovely hentai. Breaking the 4th wall pixellation of privates.
1146895;1432820455;pete_dushenski;one wonders what it'll take to break the pixelation wall
1146896;1432820466;pete_dushenski;fukushima... wasn't enough.
1146897;1432820512;pete_dushenski;i can see the idiots giving up on their idiocy after a good chinese butt pumping.
1146898;1432820527;gabriel_laddel;JP is weird. I don't know that they're censoring it because they find it "offensive"
1146899;1432820573;gabriel_laddel;did you see the signs telling schoolchildren to "beware the chikan"?
1146900;1432820598;gabriel_laddel;BAD (#bitcoin-assets distro) update #3. Install works (writing this from a machine formatted in the past 24hrs) and is a massive PITA. Next TODO on my list is to radically simplify (automate) the install. I've updated install doc if anyone is interested: gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html
1146901;1432820617;gabriel_laddel;mod6: ^ is based on funtoo, a variant of gentoo.
1146902;1432820656;gabriel_laddel;mod6: Idk what exactly your goals are on your gentoo quest, but have you reached the conclusion that portage is insane and must go?
1146903;1432820686;pete_dushenski;http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/24945225.jpg << this 'chikan' ?
1146904;1432820746;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146846 << my first impression was that the instrument is a very long... spoon
1146905;1432820746;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 11:55:42; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd3hurG6I1ri9dzjo1_500.gif
1146906;1432820746;gabriel_laddel;^ I can't read Japanese, but that looks correct from what I've read of the phenomenon.
1146907;1432820746;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform clearly a horsewhip
1146908;1432820842;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel it looks effective to me. at least as much as any fuzzy rat puppet (in canada) telling kids not to trust strangers
1146909;1432820926;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: ah, but the weird bit is that this is (according to asa akira) the *most common* offense in JP, and happens to a huge percentage of the population.
1146910;1432820973;gabriel_laddel;So, they put up signs warning schoolgirls about being molested on the packed trains, but never put any effort into... putting personal space on the trains or the like.
1146911;1432821000;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: they did proclaim female-only train cars iirc
1146912;1432821024;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel how does one insert personal space onto an small mountainous island ?
1146913;1432821079;pete_dushenski;this is like trying to build a concrete foundation under a mountain
1146914;1432821091;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: how I would go about it - pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6
1146915;1432821094;pete_dushenski;under *the whole thing*
1146916;1432821189;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel this is the spec/manifesto for BAD ?
1146917;1432821212;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: nah, it was a message to someone on #lisp
1146918;1432821225;gabriel_laddel;also, I tried getting someone doing housing in SF excited about it
1146919;1432821230;pete_dushenski;good god man get yourself a blog already.
1146920;1432821238;pete_dushenski;what is this, 1960 ?
1146921;1432821248;gabriel_laddel;(he raised something like 30MM - is doing traditional housing)
1146922;1432821251;gabriel_laddel;fucking moron
1146923;1432821275;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: cars (at least of the petrol variety) underground is a ventilation nightmare. use trains, like sane people
1146924;1432821323;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: noted.
1146925;1432821329;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel what 'it' were you getting mr. sf-house-builder excited about ?
1146926;1432821346;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i will also note that i tried the opengl thing, and barfed
1146927;1432821356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49557 @ 0.00031132 = 15.4281 BTC [-] {2} 
1146928;1432821357;*;pete_dushenski is using trains to bounce around la suisse.
1146929;1432821358;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: right?
1146930;1432821360;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: it doesn't map to henderson-style 'functional graphics' at all
1146931;1432821374;gabriel_laddel;OpenGL needs to be taken out back and shot, along with its creators
1146932;1432821397;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: modular, robotically assembled human habitation
1146933;1432821424;*;asciilifeform bbl
1146934;1432821460;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel ah ok.
1146935;1432821462;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: how do the trains compare to your merc?
1146936;1432821527;pete_dushenski;lol the scenery out the window is prettier. also, tracks are a hell of a lot smoother than shitty alberta roads.
1146937;1432821537;pete_dushenski;swiss tracks in particular.
1146938;1432821600;pete_dushenski;the train system here is fantastic : frequent scheduling, short trips, stations are conveniently located.
1146939;1432821615;pete_dushenski;it helps that everything is tightly packed together.
1146940;1432821635;pete_dushenski;a 45 min or even 2 hour trip doesn't eat your day up
1146941;1432821656;pete_dushenski;the 6-9 hour train i took across spain and portugal a few years ago most certainly did.
1146942;1432821671;gabriel_laddel;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_passenger_car#Japan << lol
1146943;1432821731;gabriel_laddel;!up pete_dushenski
1146944;1432821753;gabriel_laddel;debuggering
1146945;1432821754;gabriel_laddel;!up pete_dushenski
1146946;1432821763;pete_dushenski;aha 'chikan' means groping
1146947;1432821777;*;pete_dushenski shakes fist at slow-ass-assbot.
1146948;1432821896;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: are you traveling the world, or do you take up residency in these countries from time to time?
1146949;1432821984;pete_dushenski;i just travel for a few weeks here and a few more weeks there.
1146950;1432821991;pete_dushenski;it's a hobby more than anything.
1146951;1432822002;pete_dushenski;homebase is still in canada.
1146952;1432822094;pete_dushenski;traveling keeps me sane and clear-headed. edmonton is pretty dull but that's where my roots are.
1146953;1432822113;pete_dushenski;i'd leave at the drop of a hat if push came to shove, but it hasn't yet.
1146954;1432822152;gabriel_laddel;https://www.linkedin.com/in/richling << Impressive resume. Mitch also has a collection of CL mathematics hacks, mjrcalc.
1146955;1432822331;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: ever been to China or Korea?
1146956;1432822415;pete_dushenski;mhm. i've been to pusan (where i have a cousin), beijing, shanghai, and hong kong.
1146957;1432822443;pete_dushenski;ftr my cousin isn't korean, his wife... is.
1146958;1432822492;pete_dushenski;gabriel_laddel just curious ? have you been to kr and cn as well ?
1146959;1432822512;gabriel_laddel;pete_dushenski: Nope. Consider this a request for a blog post on your travels in these two regions.
1146960;1432822564;pete_dushenski;i'll take your request into consideration :)
1146961;1432822625;gabriel_laddel;!up pete_dushenski
1146962;1432822630;*;gabriel_laddel is going for a walk
1146963;1432822644;pete_dushenski;cheers !
1146964;1432822700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.0003058 = 18.6844 BTC [-] {2} 
1146965;1432823314;pete_dushenski;"In a fifth floor office just off Zurich's main shopping street, researchers at UBS (UBSG.VX) are testing dozens of technologies to see what could make the world's biggest wealth manager more appealing as fortunes pass to the next generation."
1146966;1432823322;pete_dushenski;""How do you get under the skin of clients today, because they often work on their mobiles and they manage their wealth in their spare time," said Dave Bruno, head of UBS's innovation lab. "It might be in the bathroom, it might be waiting for a flight.""
1146967;1432823327;pete_dushenski;"Bruno and his team are designing video games, including a prototype puzzle for iPads and smartphones, and looking at virtual reality simulations to help people visualise what are often complex investment portfolios."
1146968;1432823332;pete_dushenski;"They are also working on technologies that allow clients to log into their accounts using their voice patterns and facial features, doing away with the time consuming and frustrating need to answer security questions."
1146969;1432823354;pete_dushenski;the future of this country... looks awful.
1146970;1432823397;pete_dushenski;thankfully, there are plenty of relics and pieces of art to pick from once they shoot themselves in the head 9 more times.
1146971;1432823440;pete_dushenski;also, it's worth mentioning that for anyone into 100+ year-old deadtree books, switzerland is where it's at
1146972;1432823522;pete_dushenski;i've never seen so many beautifully preserved copies of literature, philosophy, history, biology, you name it. in german, french, latin, english too
1146973;1432823577;pete_dushenski;i saw one such bookstore in manhattan a couple years back, complete with $30,000 copy of le petite prince, but that was just one shop.
1146974;1432823597;pete_dushenski;there are a handful of such stores in pretty much every town here !
1146975;1432823627;pete_dushenski;it's pretty heavenly, i have to admit.
1146976;1432824147;gabriel_laddel;copypaste: re: your ddos / anon problems, have you read about wotnet in the logs? \
1146977;1432824286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00030502 = 3.6602 BTC [-]
1146978;1432824353;pete_dushenski;"Avago, a maker of chips for the wireless and industrial markets, is offering Broadcom shareholders $17 billion in cash and Avago shares valued at $20 billion in one of the biggest deals ever in the chip industry." << i have to admit that i'd never heard of 'avago' before.
1146979;1432824412;pete_dushenski;though apparently they recently purchase 'emulex' as well
1146980;1432824415;pete_dushenski;!s avago
1146981;1432824415;assbot;0 results for 'avago' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=avago
1146982;1432824754;gabriel_laddel;!up pete_dushenski
1146983;1432824767;pete_dushenski;"Broadcom is known as a fabless company. It outsources all semiconductor manufacturing to Asian merchant foundries, such as GlobalFoundries, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, Silterra, TSMC, and United Microelectronics Corporation." << ahaha. so what the fuck did $37 bn even buy ?
1146984;1432824816;mod6;<+gabriel_laddel> mod6: Idk what exactly your goals are on your gentoo quest, but have you reached the conclusion that portage is insane and must go? << this project had to take a pause; I need to get some cash together to buy a physical box to put together steps for configuration on real hardware as opposed to aws or other cloud infrastructure.  no, for now, I'm trying to stick with a Gentoo-amd64-uclibc-hardened.  That's the goal anyway.
1146985;1432824833;mod6;I should be able to get a box for this sometime after the 1st.
1146986;1432824869;gabriel_laddel;mod6: what is your ultimate goal with the gentoo quest?
1146987;1432824888;mod6;it's in the logs.
1146988;1432825131;gabriel_laddel;!up TheAdversary
1146989;1432825754;mike_c;http://i.imgur.com/XSCaapg.png
1146990;1432825814;mike_c;we gotta get more chinese in here.
1146991;1432826852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111812 @ 0.00030373 = 33.9607 BTC [-] {2} 
1146992;1432826912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134588 @ 0.00030168 = 40.6025 BTC [-] {4} 
1146993;1432827389;mod6;gabriel_laddel: also, it'll get discussed in the Monthly Address.
1146994;1432827399;mod6;so, stay tuned :]
1146995;1432828071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00030137 = 5.7712 BTC [-]
1146996;1432828437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35361 @ 0.00030108 = 10.6465 BTC [-] {2} 
1146997;1432829461;mod6;incase anyone missed this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000093.html
1146998;1432829521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35000 @ 0.00005898 = 2.0643 BTC [-] {6} 
1146999;1432829582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00030411 = 5.4132 BTC [+]
1147000;1432830599;ben_vulpes;(it's a boy)
1147001;1432830838;mike_c;ben_vulpes: your baby arrived?
1147002;1432830860;ben_vulpes;naw, just the sonogram
1147003;1432830863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00030411 = 5.8389 BTC [+]
1147004;1432830879;mike_c;ah.  correct # of fingers and toes?
1147005;1432830890;ben_vulpes;looked like
1147006;1432830893;ben_vulpes;many measurements
1147007;1432830893;mike_c;congrats!
1147008;1432830914;ben_vulpes;then the machine ran out of paper and there were many windows error modals
1147009;1432830919;mike_c;hehe
1147010;1432830920;mod6;ben_vulpes: congrats!!
1147011;1432830965;ben_vulpes;ty mod6
1147012;1432831102;mod6;yw. glad to hear the good news.
1147013;1432831107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81536 @ 0.00030778 = 25.0952 BTC [+] {2} 
1147014;1432831170;ben_vulpes;probly best to reserve congratulations for when it survives that first night on the porch
1147015;1432831505;mike_c;everybody's bringing their newborns to c4, right?
1147016;1432831792;jurov;http://pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6 that's some elaborate shannonizer?
1147017;1432832462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3369 @ 0.000315 = 1.0612 BTC [+]
1147018;1432833316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.000315 = 13.293 BTC [+]
1147019;1432833744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0003162 = 1.6442 BTC [+]
1147020;1432833928;jurov;ben_vulpes: congrats! hope it'll be mangy after the daddy!
1147021;1432834292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137727 @ 0.0003094 = 42.6127 BTC [-] {4} 
1147022;1432834353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57698 @ 0.00029985 = 17.3007 BTC [-] {3} 
1147023;1432835323;mircea_popescu;mike_c omaigerd...
1147024;1432835428;mircea_popescu;heh yeah. stoya is probably the defining woman of the 2000s.
1147025;1432835462;mircea_popescu;shoulda been jolie's crown. but libertardism can ruin anything.
1147026;1432835534;felipelalli;Finally in English: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37maml/the_fabulous_bitcoin_island/ - thank you danielpbarron for the help.
1147027;1432835807;mircea_popescu;jurov in any case he means consumed not "consummate"
1147028;1432835820;mircea_popescu;consummation is what happens to virgin brides.
1147029;1432835914;mircea_popescu;so now the choice is between system-d and system.html ?
1147030;1432835950;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146904 << it's a crop.
1147031;1432835950;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 13:45:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146846 << my first impression was that the instrument is a very long... spoon
1147032;1432836058;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146910 << i think the idea is that the warning enhances the experience.
1147033;1432836058;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 13:49:33; gabriel_laddel: So, they put up signs warning schoolgirls about being molested on the packed trains, but never put any effort into... putting personal space on the trains or the like.
1147034;1432836160;mircea_popescu;for the record, egypt had women only cars in the subway
1147035;1432836165;mircea_popescu;i know because i got into one.
1147036;1432836218;chetty;but you cant do that in the west, it wouldnt be fair to have women only stuffs
1147037;1432836261;mircea_popescu;chetty oh remember how giggly they were when we ended up in the wrong car ? lol
1147038;1432836289;chetty;hahahahaha
1147039;1432836344;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146972 << most of the old jewish haunt, from berlin to moscow, is a huge pile of old books looking for new onwners
1147040;1432836344;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 14:32:02; pete_dushenski: i've never seen so many beautifully preserved copies of literature, philosophy, history, biology, you name it. in german, french, latin, english too
1147041;1432836363;*;mircea_popescu personally doesn't care about books anymore, but can readily see the collector's mindset.
1147042;1432836480;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/XSCaapg.png << heh best cycles ever. we're getting back to the baseline, which was 1820
1147043;1432836541;chetty;I still like the feel of an actual book, but the worlds libraries on your lap is hard to beat
1147044;1432836541;mike_c;except for europe.  i don't think they're going to turn it around
1147045;1432836566;mircea_popescu;i think they are probably going to be 20-30% forever.
1147046;1432836585;mircea_popescu;the last major invention in the world (the cellphone) is yurpean.
1147047;1432836594;mircea_popescu;the last time the us invented something, hitler wasn't born yet.
1147048;1432836608;mike_c;the nsa invented bitcoin
1147049;1432836617;mircea_popescu;oh right, i forgot.
1147050;1432836641;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1147000 << congrats! even thousdand too look at that.
1147051;1432836641;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 16:29:59; ben_vulpes: (it's a boy)
1147052;1432836680;felipelalli;ben_vulpes: congrats man! :)
1147053;1432838492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00030821 = 9.6007 BTC [+] {2} 
1147054;1432839224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00029906 = 7.8952 BTC [-] {2} 
1147055;1432839956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7368 @ 0.00030144 = 2.221 BTC [+]
1147056;1432840200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56611 @ 0.00030144 = 17.0648 BTC [+]
1147057;1432840262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00030201 = 3.156 BTC [+]
1147058;1432840810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00030732 = 15.3045 BTC [+]
1147059;1432841373;mircea_popescu;mod6 o hey check it out, early report
1147060;1432841441;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: is anyone interested in seeing the (elementary) 4294967297 proof as a proper article ?
1147061;1432841446;asciilifeform;or is it obvious to everyone by now
1147062;1432841456;mircea_popescu;documenting things is always a good idea.
1147063;1432841459;mircea_popescu;so go right ahead
1147064;1432841469;asciilifeform;well yes, but is there any part of it that isn't obvious
1147065;1432841476;mircea_popescu;no.
1147066;1432842020;williamdunne;Mm should be in Bucharest in a couple of weeks..
1147067;1432842307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: has anyone considered the effect of not storing 'orphan transactions' ?
1147068;1432842404;mod6;I can't remember if we discussed that or not, outside of the context of your OrphanageBurner
1147069;1432842409;asciilifeform;not related
1147070;1432842418;asciilifeform;or rather, not directly
1147071;1432842479;asciilifeform;our 0.5.3.x has MAX_ORPHAN_TRANSACTIONS but the boojum is that a malicious (or 'cosmic rayed') node can transmit orphan transaction of any size, iirc
1147072;1432842518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.0003016 = 12.9688 BTC [-] {3} 
1147073;1432842521;asciilifeform;1) and thus, valgrind will not see this as a leak, because the memory is theoretically reclaimable
1147074;1432842536;mod6;ah!
1147075;1432842537;asciilifeform;2) tiny turds, stored and then reclaimed, lead to fragging
1147076;1432843339;ben_vulpes;interdasting
1147077;1432843365;asciilifeform;about to try this.
1147078;1432843372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48949 @ 0.00030149 = 14.7576 BTC [-]
1147079;1432843405;ben_vulpes;intentionally filling a 0.5.3.x with orphans?
1147080;1432843412;asciilifeform;no, the opposite
1147081;1432843451;ben_vulpes;*.x << contains thermonuke?
1147082;1432843459;asciilifeform;naturally, with thermonuke also
1147083;1432843479;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> about to try this. << still failing to parse
1147084;1432843489;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it will make sense once you read the patch.
1147085;1432843990;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html
1147086;1432844111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10865 @ 0.00030149 = 3.2757 BTC [-]
1147087;1432844194;asciilifeform;gentlemen, start your engines.
1147088;1432844207;asciilifeform;mine is at 87132 and counting.
1147089;1432844294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17919 @ 0.00030149 = 5.4024 BTC [-]
1147090;1432844300;*;asciilifeform takes off 'madman muntz' napoleon bicorn
1147091;1432844488;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 please consider this patch for your test rig
1147092;1432844488;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1147093;1432844573;*;asciilifeform is stuck wondering why nobody tried this
1147094;1432844620;asciilifeform;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2012-3789 << the power ranger version
1147095;1432844850;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu this patch sorta sits right down and has lunch right on top of your 'clean air filter' third rail discussed in c3. but this gordian knot -will- have to be cut one way or another.
1147096;1432844851;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1147097;1432845119;ben_vulpes;why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform
1147098;1432845180;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: because the simplest way to get more space, so to speak, in one's house, is to -stop- bringing in and keeping driftwood, dead animals, neighbour's garbage
1147099;1432845184;asciilifeform;rather than building bigger house
1147100;1432845191;asciilifeform;or hiring a housekeeper
1147101;1432845199;asciilifeform;and ought to be tried first.
1147102;1432845253;asciilifeform;!s hoarders buried alive
1147103;1432845254;assbot;0 results for 'hoarders buried alive' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hoarders+buried+alive
1147104;1432845261;asciilifeform;;;google hoarders buried alive
1147105;1432845262;gribble;Hoarding: Buried Alive | TLC: <http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/hoarding-buried-alive/>; Hoarding Moments Season 1 | Hoarding: Buried Alive | TLC: <http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/hoarding-buried-alive/videos/videos/>; Hoarding: Buried Alive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding:_Buried_Alive>
1147106;1432845282;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1147107;1432845429;asciilifeform;133060 & counting.
1147108;1432845444;asciilifeform;~69M.
1147109;1432845618;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html << wow! nice. will review & start up a test on this later tonight. many thanks. :]
1147110;1432845678;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: more seriously, the only kind of allocator that is a sure pill against fragging is a compacting one. which means -relocating- !! just picture this in a cpp proggy not originally designed for it
1147111;1432845678;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sorta like the proverbial 'jet engine on a ford pinto' situation.
1147112;1432845739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00029847 = 11.8791 BTC [-] {2} 
1147113;1432845946;ben_vulpes;'twasn't serious.
1147114;1432846163;mike_c;slab allocation would prevent fragging too
1147115;1432846166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37563 @ 0.0003162 = 11.8774 BTC [+]
1147116;1432847071;danielpbarron;!up antonosika_
1147117;1432847101;asciilifeform;mike_c: slab only really works when we have a small number of known sizes of object
1147118;1432847180;mike_c;like orphan blocks, no?
1147119;1432847193;asciilifeform;mike_c: we no longer have orphan (bastard) blocks..
1147120;1432847200;asciilifeform;(or at least i don't)
1147121;1432847203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00029844 = 12.7135 BTC [-] {2} 
1147122;1432847226;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: incidentally, now that we have a bounded memory footprint, it may be time to try running pogo with swap space again
1147123;1432847240;asciilifeform;danielpbarron ^
1147124;1432847250;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: iirc you had something set up for this ^ ?
1147125;1432847630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56020 @ 0.00031694 = 17.755 BTC [+] {2} 
1147126;1432847653;danielpbarron;yes my pogo uses 2 gigs of swap
1147127;1432849049;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: incidentally, even though 'transaction orphanage amputator' may not be a magical pill against oom-on-pogo (my preliminary investigation suggests that it is -not-) it still rips out the idiotic ddos vector that every unbounded cache of anything whatsoever is.
1147128;1432849089;asciilifeform;and yes, even with the count-bound, the in-practice bound on the tx orphanage bytewise is ridiculous - 5GB ?
1147129;1432849131;asciilifeform;'hoarders' belong in lunatic asylums.
1147130;1432849242;asciilifeform;imagine having a special door in your house through which perfect strangers are invited to dump in up to five thousand tonnes of gravel.
1147131;1432849277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00030959 = 10.0926 BTC [-] {2} 
1147132;1432849292;asciilifeform;and in the case of 'pogo', the door is not in your house, but in... your car.
1147133;1432849765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00030099 = 7.615 BTC [-] {2} 
1147134;1432851179;cazalla;so it occurs to me that a #b-a version of archive.today might be useful, really nothing stopping whomever going back to edit archives whereas with our own, we could sign the archives we make
1147135;1432851334;scoopbot_revived;DoJ Charges Dark Market Coupon Merchant http://qntra.net/2015/05/doj-charges-dark-market-coupon-merchant/
1147136;1432851412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00029788 = 12.928 BTC [-] {3} 
1147137;1432851595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00030254 = 5.5667 BTC [+]
1147138;1432851706;hanbot;cazalla, you can alter what you sign. you mean deedbot?
1147139;1432851979;cazalla;hanbot, well of course someone can alter what they submit but they risk their rep in doing so if found out
1147140;1432852025;hanbot;just like if unsigned then? :D
1147141;1432852026;cazalla;i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website)
1147142;1432852093;hanbot;ahaha. mp was calling them scammers a month ago, everyone was like "orly, mp is so crazu". turns out...
1147143;1432852134;hanbot;anyway, archive.today the deedbot page consisting of a dump of the page source of an archive.today page? haha!
1147144;1432852449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106915 @ 0.00032148 = 34.371 BTC [+] {5} 
1147145;1432853181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00032262 = 4.5973 BTC [+]
1147146;1432854521;asciilifeform;184650, ~166M
1147147;1432854523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16878 @ 0.00030939 = 5.2219 BTC [-]
1147148;1432855385;asciilifeform;re: memory hunger: anyone investigated effect of https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_04/html/api_reference/CXX/envset_memory_max.html ?
1147149;1432855445;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: ^^
1147150;1432857625;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: noooo
1147151;1432857646;ben_vulpes;have not, no.
1147152;1432857715;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sorta like the proverbial 'jet engine on a ford pinto' situation. << obligatory: http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/
1147153;1432857942;ben_vulpes;"*** Update 7/18/06 *** You have to give the California Department of Motor Vehicles (the DMV) credit for creativity on this one.  A DMV insider has disclosed to me that the DMV has made a formal request to a federal agency to rule if my Beetle constitutes a threat to national security based on what could happen if it got into the wrong hands."" << hah news to me since the last time i looked at the
1147154;1432857945;ben_vulpes;thing
1147155;1432858313;BingoBoingo;It's copper theft season again http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article22358088.html
1147156;1432858444;cazalla;half figured that was going to be an electrocution
1147157;1432858467;asciilifeform;aaaaaand now for something completely different...
1147158;1432858470;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1147159;1432858472;cazalla;common for people to get toasty'd on our rail way lines here trying to get at the copper
1147160;1432858475;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
1147161;1432858476;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
1147162;1432858536;asciilifeform;(EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus !
1147163;1432858618;asciilifeform;mod6: you can use this to create a blockheight vs heap plot
1147164;1432858636;asciilifeform;just call getinfo along with profileheapdump
1147165;1432858681;mod6;oh, darn. ok im compiling right now with : bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation }
1147166;1432858695;mod6;think I should stop and compile that in as well?
1147167;1432858696;asciilifeform;no hurry
1147168;1432858710;mod6;well, was going to launch this for a full sync test.
1147169;1432858724;mod6;nice tho!!
1147170;1432858740;asciilifeform;(goes without saying that you need igprof on your box for this to work)
1147171;1432858759;*;ben_vulpes dreams of a box beefy enough to run sync tests for every patch submitted
1147172;1432858775;mod6;i've never used it. im guessing i can just compile/install via 3rd party package?
1147173;1432858782;asciilifeform;mod6: aha
1147174;1432858788;mod6;ok.
1147175;1432858792;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: your hardware is not the limiting reactant here
1147176;1432858800;asciilifeform;(the network is)
1147177;1432858841;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: some several tb of disk would be nice
1147178;1432858886;ben_vulpes;anyways, that's a nifty muntzing in the first one
1147179;1432858917;asciilifeform;2nd one is some dark magic, only serious sappers need apply
1147180;1432858919;mod6;do you reccommend "Scientific Linux 5" or "Scientific Linux 6"?
1147181;1432858928;asciilifeform;mod6: i have never seen, smelled, touched - either.
1147182;1432858935;ben_vulpes;selinux? when what hum how?
1147183;1432858948;mod6;oh, just looking for a version of IgProf to grab... maybe im looking at the wrong thing.
1147184;1432858970;asciilifeform;http://igprof.org
1147185;1432859030;mod6;yeah, thats where i am, i just wasnt on the DL page, nm.
1147186;1432859356;asciilifeform;btw, after dumping a heap profile snapshot,
1147187;1432859368;asciilifeform;igprof-analyse -d -v -g -r MEM_TOTAL heap1 > heap1.txt
1147188;1432859372;asciilifeform;and so forth
1147189;1432859379;asciilifeform;gives the plain text output
1147190;1432859405;asciilifeform;(just like many other profilers, this one craps out somewhat terse encoded transcript by default)
1147191;1432859480;asciilifeform;this gives MEM_TOTAL (how much churned)
1147192;1432859490;asciilifeform;other options (e.g., MEM_LIVE) described in manual.
1147193;1432859547;mod6;ok i'll come back to that, it's like a whole process to build that thing.
1147194;1432859552;asciilifeform;http://igprof.org/analysis.html
1147195;1432859612;asciilifeform;'MEM_LIVE records the �live� memory � memory that hasn�t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application�s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated a
1147196;1432859612;asciilifeform;nd the number of calls involved.'
1147197;1432859696;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/blockheight-115500_igprof_mem_live.txt
1147198;1432859756;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: ^^^^ sample output
1147199;1432859817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00030928 = 13.6083 BTC [-] {3} 
1147200;1432859900;asciilifeform;^ both orphanage-destroyers applied for this example run
1147201;1432860020;*;mod6 looks
1147202;1432860039;mod6;oh wow, nice.
1147203;1432860046;asciilifeform;aha.
1147204;1432860051;asciilifeform;and you can get these -during runtime- now
1147205;1432860059;asciilifeform;instead of waiting for the thing to die, as in valgrind.
1147206;1432860081;mod6;:]
1147207;1432860088;mod6;very cool
1147208;1432860173;asciilifeform;also the thing appears to have better coverage of dynamic libs
1147209;1432860185;asciilifeform;(if you have libs with debug symbols, will display line #s therein as well)
1147210;1432860287;asciilifeform;iirc there might be some fancy html-output mode also. but - have not tried this yet.
1147211;1432860422;mod6;good deal.
1147212;1432860443;mod6;i'll work on building this tool here this weekend.
1147213;1432860493;mod6;well, maybe after this sync is done with these 2 patches anyway.  gotta still write this SoBA yet.
1147214;1432860977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24969 @ 0.00030496 = 7.6145 BTC [-]
1147215;1432861465;danielpbarron;!up referredbyloper
1147216;1432861685;ben_vulpes;quick poll: who writes in cursive?
1147217;1432861712;*;asciilifeform would, but had handwriting neural circuitry utterly nuked by alphabet switch in childhood
1147218;1432861725;*;asciilifeform now can only write in the worst possible print
1147219;1432861762;asciilifeform;interestingly, the longer i go without writing by hand, the more this part of brain rots
1147220;1432861775;asciilifeform;i even found myself, as of 4-5 yrs ago, often writing the 2nd letter of a word first
1147221;1432861796;asciilifeform;this -never- happened at any point when i actually picked up a pen on a daily basis (school)
1147222;1432861877;referredbyloper;The cancer of bureaucracy: how it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else. http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2009.11.038
1147223;1432862056;ben_vulpes;referredbyloper: and who are you?
1147224;1432862071;ben_vulpes;and hyu with that auto-downloading pdf
1147225;1432862123;ben_vulpes;<asciilifeform> interestingly, the longer i go without writing by hand, the more this part of brain rots << expected behavior
1147226;1432862137;ben_vulpes;i refuse to take notes on a computer
1147227;1432862161;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: is there a russian equivalent to cursive?
1147228;1432862174;ben_vulpes;of course there is
1147229;1432862264;decimation;asciilifeform: you can get some of this kind of data with 'perf'
1147230;1432862270;decimation;which comes with the kernel
1147231;1432862281;decimation;but not the details
1147232;1432862333;mod6;asciilifeform: full sync of bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } underway
1147233;1432862728;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146983 < primarily it bought a whole pile of sunk costs in existing designs, plus serfs who know how to manipulate the tools
1147234;1432862728;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 14:52:47; pete_dushenski: "Broadcom is known as a fabless company. It outsources all semiconductor manufacturing to Asian merchant foundries, such as GlobalFoundries, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, Silterra, TSMC, and United Microelectronics Corporation." << ahaha. so what the fuck did $37 bn even buy ?
1147235;1432862797;decimation;but when you consier that apple bought renasas for $0.48 bn, you gotta wonder if they are overpaying
1147236;1432862913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00031052 = 11.4892 BTC [+]
1147237;1432863049;mod6;<+asciilifeform> re: memory hunger: anyone investigated effect of https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_04/html/api_reference/CXX/envset_memory_max.html ? << I haven't, but I certainly wanna try this out.
1147238;1432863110;mod6;What's the memory cap that you wanna use on a pogo? 256Mb?
1147239;1432863110;danielpbarron;!up rwg
1147240;1432863110;*;mod6 reminds himself to setup that pogo
1147241;1432863318;williamdunne;!up referredbyloper
1147242;1432863325;rwg;danielpbarron, yo
1147243;1432863401;decimation;!s referredbyloper
1147244;1432863402;assbot;10 results for 'referredbyloper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=referredbyloper
1147245;1432863427;decimation;http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6 < "One project where my friend and officemate Steven T. Kent (now chief scientist and vice president at BBN, and a chief advisor to NSA) and I lost was our strong argument to put mandatory end-to-end encryption into TCP (and adaptations of the ideas to UDP-based protocols, such as RTP, hich I worked out but abandoned). "
1147246;1432863487;mod6;asciilifeform: in the igprof_mem_live output, is the "Total" column in aggregate bytes - a sum of all bytes from the call's of said function?
1147247;1432863487;decimation;"Steve?s design was rejected, not because it was unsound, but because NSA did not want to see ANY encryption work going on in the public domain ARPA project, some say because they did not want to see the world be ?too secure? by default. (Rivest and friends  had just invented RSA, and the government was trying to declare it Top Secret, then later prohibited under ITAR munitions control export laws)."
1147248;1432863497;danielpbarron;hi rwg !
1147249;1432863509;danielpbarron;do you know how to gpg ?
1147250;1432863942;decimation;mod6: here's how to read the output http://igprof.org/text-output-format.html
1147251;1432864002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00031052 = 11.3185 BTC [+]
1147252;1432864002;decimation;by my eye, it looks to me that ThreadMessageHandler(void*)  is a turd
1147253;1432864002;mod6;thx decimation
1147254;1432864211;mod6;have you looked at ThreadMessageHandler2 ?
1147255;1432864304;mod6;wait, these are not just bytes allocated during calls, these are LEAKED BYTES?!
1147256;1432864369;decimation;actually CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10]
1147257;1432864372;decimation;yes
1147258;1432864437;mod6;lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?!
1147259;1432864460;decimation;yes but noted that the leaks were all in its children
1147260;1432864474;mod6;asciilifeform: how long (how many blocks) was bitcoind sync'ing while you took this sample?
1147261;1432864485;decimation;if you follow that trail you find it's AddToBlockIndex
1147262;1432864493;mod6;ahh. ok
1147263;1432864494;*;mod6 looks
1147264;1432864577;mod6;asciilifeform: oh nm, 115500, didn't see that in the URL
1147265;1432864644;mod6;decimation: i see now
1147266;1432864647;mod6;26'370'420 / 26'370'420     346'503 / 346'503       CBlock::AcceptBlock() [11]
1147267;1432864650;mod6;leads to
1147268;1432864670;mod6;26'370'420 / 26'370'612     346'503 / 346'506       CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10]
1147269;1432864683;decimation;There is all kinds of allocation that happens in that fuction
1147270;1432864715;decimation;this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost
1147271;1432864787;mod6;!up ascii_modem
1147272;1432864803;ascii_modem;nonono not leaks
1147273;1432864810;ascii_modem;plz read manual
1147274;1432864824;mod6;aight, me goes back to it.
1147275;1432864831;ascii_modem;there are no leaks in the usual sense
1147276;1432864847;ascii_modem;the flat graph from mod6 tells us this
1147277;1432864853;ascii_modem;thinkaboutit
1147278;1432864891;ascii_modem;as for the memlimit thing, it has to do with bdb only!
1147279;1432864909;ascii_modem;and 256m is insane, we only have 128 total
1147280;1432864925;mod6;ah, ok, couldn't remember the amt.
1147281;1432864932;ascii_modem;db should't get more than 4 or at most 8
1147282;1432864936;mod6;and yea, just for db.
1147283;1432864943;mod6;ok
1147284;1432864968;*;mod6 reads
1147285;1432864984;ascii_modem;and - plz remember how to read profilers - the 'turd' is merely the procedure that is at the root of call graph tree
1147286;1432865016;ascii_modem;so naturally will appear 'heavy' because 'all roads lead to rome'
1147287;1432865024;mod6;yah, werd.
1147288;1432865264;danielpbarron;!up rwg
1147289;1432865422;decimation;asciilifeform: all roads lead to home, yes, but home is a good place to start examining each potential pathway
1147290;1432865695;decimation;mod6: so you did a graph of vmstat calls?  Is that what ascii is talking about?
1147291;1432866198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28472 @ 0.00031217 = 8.8881 BTC [+]
1147292;1432866530;mod6;decimation: ah, no. graphs are from nmon. there is a document that goes along with all of that. it's in the mailing list and in the http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/ root
1147293;1432866590;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/nmon_tests_201505.txt
1147294;1432866650;decimation;so the goal here is to reduce memory use, not to find leaks?
1147295;1432866650;mod6;is that directed at me with my perf tests? or at asciilifeform?
1147296;1432866650;decimation;I guess at ascii, why he bothered with igprof
1147297;1432866665;decimation;presumably the 'leaks' were found by igprof because he killed it after running a certain time, so memory wasn't freed?
1147298;1432866672;mod6;yeah, im not even sure what i'm looking at anymore with that igprof stuff yet.
1147299;1432866686;mod6;i was just getting started reading and got pulled away for a minute.
1147300;1432866716;mod6;but as far as the nmon tests, I wanted to system level profile the entire sync process -- get some visuals, see what we're looking at as far as overall system usage, etc.
1147301;1432866723;decimation;it defintely thinks those areas are leaks, but that might be because of how it was killed, not because it was actually leaked (in the sense of the pointer was lost)
1147302;1432866752;mod6;yeah, im not sure. i need to read more there.
1147303;1432866759;decimation;I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke)
1147304;1432866814;mod6;in addition to the valgrind tests that ascii did earlier this month, i was going to dig into some of that myself in june.
1147305;1432866822;mod6;and now, maybe learn the ropes on igprof.
1147306;1432866834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00032704 = 6.4754 BTC [+]
1147307;1432866870;mod6;<+decimation> I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke) << ahh
1147308;1432866930;asciilifeform;decimation: where do you see leaks ?
1147309;1432866951;asciilifeform;and i will add, nothing was killed, that thing is running even now, without interruption
1147310;1432866997;decimation;the igprof documentation says that the report shows memory leaks
1147311;1432867019;asciilifeform;decimation: all i noticed is the same 'pocket change' leaks as valgrind shows
1147312;1432867027;decimation;"MEM_LIVE records the ?live? memory ? memory that hasn?t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application?s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated and the number of c
1147313;1432867031;mod6;so the docs say, "MEM_LIVE records the ``live'' memory -- memory that hasn't been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end
1147314;1432867037;mod6;haha. was just typing that out ^^
1147315;1432867038;asciilifeform;well no shit it wasn't freed
1147316;1432867040;asciilifeform;it is in use !
1147317;1432867043;asciilifeform;as in, actually alive
1147318;1432867052;decimation;ah so it wasn't killed, that makes sense
1147319;1432867055;asciilifeform;this is not valgrind! it does not need the process to terminate.
1147320;1432867069;mod6;cool.
1147321;1432867073;*;mod6 goes back to reading
1147322;1432867085;decimation;asciilifeform: so is your goal to trim out all the 'inactive' memory use?
1147323;1432867103;decimation;so that it fits more comfortably in the pogo?
1147324;1432867112;asciilifeform;decimation: my goal is to get it to sit down in 120M or so.
1147325;1432867116;asciilifeform;whatever it takes.
1147326;1432867149;asciilifeform;there is no acceptable reason for the thing not to go in this very generous box.
1147327;1432867170;asciilifeform;in fact, i want it in 32M.
1147328;1432867177;decimation;heh.  you realize this means you are gonna probably have to discard all the C++ shit
1147329;1432867194;asciilifeform;decimation: aaaaand without any major rewrite.
1147330;1432867215;asciilifeform;just by taking every piece of retarded cruft and shooting it in the head.
1147331;1432867226;decimation;yeah there's tons of cruft in there, no doubt
1147332;1432867234;asciilifeform;every piece of 'orphan' nonsense, where thing works 100% as well with it gone
1147333;1432867242;asciilifeform;every kind of cache
1147334;1432867258;asciilifeform;every idiot dependency that just adds retardation (e.g., dns)
1147335;1432867276;decimation;resolving the fixed hostnames?
1147336;1432867280;asciilifeform;every piece of shit that gets stored & kept around for no reason
1147337;1432867282;asciilifeform;fuck the fixed hostnames
1147338;1432867289;asciilifeform;didn't i kill those already ?
1147339;1432867362;decimation;I'm not sure, I need to get back on the patch train
1147340;1432867381;mod6;<+ascii_modem> nonono not leaks << ok i see, so with -mp in the MEM_LIVE output we're just seeing a live heap.  not leaks as the other doc page said.
1147341;1432867397;mod6;<+ascii_modem> there are no leaks in the usual sense <+ascii_modem> the flat graph from mod6 tells us this << right
1147342;1432867414;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_live.txt
1147343;1432867474;asciilifeform;and
1147344;1432867474;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_max.txt
1147345;1432867534;asciilifeform;^ where it is now
1147346;1432867534;mod6;that other page about "text-output-format.html" threw me off.
1147347;1432867534;*;mod6 looks
1147348;1432867534;asciilifeform;l0l extra 0 in there
1147349;1432867534;asciilifeform;rather, extra 1
1147350;1432867534;asciilifeform;172660, meant.
1147351;1432867534;decimation;asciilifeform: does it slow the processing down (igprof)?
1147352;1432867534;asciilifeform;decimation: not noticeably
1147353;1432867534;decimation;interesting.
1147354;1432867534;asciilifeform;then again, it is running on a very generously oversized box
1147355;1432867592;asciilifeform;;;calc 144897106 - 74026911
1147356;1432867592;gribble;70870195
1147357;1432867599;asciilifeform;where the hell did -these- go ?
1147358;1432867611;asciilifeform;this is -exactly- my complaint with valgrind.
1147359;1432867649;mod6;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/172660_mem_max.txt << 404
1147360;1432867709;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_max.txt
1147361;1432867769;asciilifeform;yes, it's a typo
1147362;1432867769;mod6;OH, i didn't actually need to take the extranious '1' out. gotcha
1147363;1432867769;asciilifeform;i'd fix it, but these links are not intended as permanent
1147364;1432867769;asciilifeform;i want everybody to try this at home.
1147365;1432867808;decimation;asciilifeform: your complaint is that valgrind doesn't catch all the memory use?
1147366;1432867812;asciilifeform;aha
1147367;1432867822;asciilifeform;trivially verified with pmap
1147368;1432867930;asciilifeform;let's put it another way:
1147369;1432867947;asciilifeform;there is absolutely no reason for bitcoind to ever use more than at most a few MB more than when it first boots.
1147370;1432867994;asciilifeform;is there even any reason ever to keep more than one or two (second being, one that is in the process of load/verify) blocks in ram at one time
1147371;1432868096;decimation;asciilifeform: it appears a big chunk of the memory in use is tied up in the CBlockIndex class
1147372;1432868128;asciilifeform;decimation: that might be the bdb cache
1147373;1432868132;asciilifeform;(see earlier link)
1147374;1432868146;asciilifeform;it does -not- appear to grow significantly as the thing runs
1147375;1432868380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13748 @ 0.00032704 = 4.4961 BTC [+]
1147376;1432868685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73528 @ 0.00031891 = 23.4488 BTC [-]
1147377;1432868785;mircea_popescu;o look at that
1147378;1432869119;mircea_popescu;mthreat interesting. so basically they run them looser and with a momentum-consuming groove in one spot.
1147379;1432869317;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is awake !
1147380;1432869352;*;asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to eat the log
1147381;1432869413;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform << this is two degrees of magnitude easier, at least.
1147382;1432869458;asciilifeform;none of it is hard.
1147383;1432869459;asciilifeform;but,
1147384;1432869461;asciilifeform;magical allocators are entirely the wrong place to begin.
1147385;1432869468;asciilifeform;that is how you get shitgnomatrons in the first place
1147386;1432869480;asciilifeform;(that is, by plastering over retardation with magic)
1147387;1432869505;mircea_popescu;lol "dark market coupons"
1147388;1432869515;asciilifeform;if, -after we nuke all of the powerranger cruft- - we end up having to go there - then we go there.
1147389;1432869516;asciilifeform;not before.
1147390;1432869582;mod6;makes sense.
1147391;1432869601;mircea_popescu;cazalla i think she has a point actually. deed the pages, that's proof enough. and as the derps probably don't know (or don't know they should know), we might even catch a diddled page. maybe.
1147392;1432869709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "as far as we know" tm, there's no effect.
1147393;1432869782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: which ?
1147394;1432869876;mircea_popescu;the berkley db mem allocation
1147395;1432869906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i get a ballooning all the way to ~23M during first few hours of runtime, where it stays (based on pmap data)
1147396;1432869913;asciilifeform;just for bdb
1147397;1432869930;mircea_popescu;i think it pre-allocates locks or something
1147398;1432869972;asciilifeform;according to docs, this is not a hard necessity.
1147399;1432869985;mircea_popescu;well no, just how it does it
1147400;1432870024;asciilifeform;there is a hard-ram-bound option, presently unused, and entirely separate from the locks constant. see link in log.
1147401;1432870024;scoopbot_revived;Former US House Speaker Indicted on Attempting to Evade Financial Surveillance http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-us-house-speaker-indicted-on-attempting-to-evade-financial-surveillance/
1147402;1432870308;mircea_popescu;decimation rather old news at this point, the entire "nsa hoped and lost"
1147403;1432870342;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147258 << welcome to "we're improving bitcoin" bitcoin.
1147404;1432870342;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 01:53:57; mod6: lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?!
1147405;1432870361;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plz read log. these are not leaks...
1147406;1432870370;mircea_popescu;im parsing!
1147407;1432870395;mod6;:] i read a doc from the igprof site that had me confused on what I was looking at.
1147408;1432870400;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147270 << an' use what ?
1147409;1432870400;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 01:58:35; decimation: this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost
1147410;1432870476;mircea_popescu;oh okay i see.
1147411;1432870496;mircea_popescu;somehow i thought we're still looking at valgrind stuffls.
1147412;1432870512;decimation;mircea_popescu: yeah but the interesting thing is to see how they were involved in the early creation of internet protocols
1147413;1432870539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nah this is an entirely other animal, 'igprof.' takes malloc byte counts from a living (!) process
1147414;1432870543;asciilifeform;which is running still.
1147415;1432870555;mircea_popescu;by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
1147416;1432870563;asciilifeform;to do this, you need http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
1147417;1432870623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00031228 = 8.1505 BTC [-] {2} 
1147418;1432870623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i see. no clear call on whether they were leaked or not yet.
1147419;1432870623;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: snapshot lets you take counts of live allocs as often as you like
1147420;1432870623;mircea_popescu;yea
1147421;1432870636;asciilifeform;any that monotonically increases is candidate for a leak. but mod6's test (and mine) suggests that there are no longer leaks in the classical sense
1147422;1432870655;asciilifeform;in that the total footprint does not exceed a certain size
1147423;1432870684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47622 @ 0.00031283 = 14.8976 BTC [+]
1147424;1432870703;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147327 << the many things alf wants to fit in his mind, and the place where we find his brain is actually 32mb memory.
1147425;1432870703;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 02:39:30; asciilifeform: in fact, i want it in 32M.
1147426;1432870709;decimation;they are 'leaks' in the sense that the memory is in use and isn't free
1147427;1432870723;asciilifeform;decimation: 'leak' has a precise technical definition
1147428;1432870746;asciilifeform;which is, memory which ought to have been freed, but can -no longer ever be-
1147429;1432870786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i want the thing to shoehorn into, e.g., 'hootoo tripmate'
1147430;1432870791;asciilifeform;which comes with 32MB
1147431;1432870883;mircea_popescu;aha
1147432;1432870894;mircea_popescu;and he's not into anal sex
1147433;1432870902;mircea_popescu;he just likes shoving hot rods into tiny crevices.
1147434;1432870904;BingoBoingo;!b 5
1147435;1432870905;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NTMMD7.txt )
1147436;1432870918;asciilifeform;to each man, his favourite crevice
1147437;1432870976;BingoBoingo;damn too early
1147438;1432870985;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147415 << this is beautifully and amply documented in 'the electronic privacy papers' by (yes) schneier (pre-lobotomy)
1147439;1432870985;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 03:35:55; mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
1147440;1432870986;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo old age problems
1147441;1432870990;mircea_popescu;used to be too late.
1147442;1432871012;asciilifeform;i have the dead tree
1147443;1432871025;asciilifeform;(one nice thing about dead trees is that they cannot be doctored remotely)
1147444;1432871073;asciilifeform;'the great soviet encyclopaedia' and the 'corrections' mailed to owners, complete with razor for slicing out 'unpersons', notwithstanding
1147445;1432871121;asciilifeform;(btw it was a very spiffy encyclopaedia and unjustly gets shat on today)
1147446;1432871174;asciilifeform;incidentally, it would be a mistake to conclude that nsa was specifically raging against rsa and only it
1147447;1432871185;asciilifeform;but more broadly against crypto research outside of the castle walls, as a class
1147448;1432871227;BingoBoingo;Well, CPU time used to be expensive for kleptocrats too
1147449;1432871228;asciilifeform;in late '80s - early '90s, laughably weak symmetric crypto (even rotor machines !) were still in use worldwide, for instance
1147450;1432871291;asciilifeform;a great many ciphertrons sold by nato cocksucker nations (western europe) were actually electronicized versions of 'enigma'-style rotors
1147451;1432871357;decimation;asciilifeform: your definition of 'memory leak' seems to be narrower than common parlance
1147452;1432871380;asciilifeform;decimation: common parlance, as always, is uselessly broad
1147453;1432871400;decimation;yes, point taken.  but what do you call memory that might be a leak, or might not?
1147454;1432871422;asciilifeform;decimation: you call it 'i need to instrument the thing in real time and find out'
1147455;1432871438;asciilifeform;alternatively 'i need to fit the code in head'
1147456;1432871474;asciilifeform;the latter is the only reasonable goal, and the only reasonable purpose of the former is to advance it
1147457;1432871596;decimation;asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/247-an-interview-with-voja-antonic-gerontogenous-galaksija-genesis/ < that podcast is an interview with voja antonic, who invented an 8-bit 'home computer' that was published in a magazine in yugoslavia
1147458;1432871656;asciilifeform;decimation: i think every sovblok pesthole had at least two dozen homebrew published z80 things
1147459;1432871661;asciilifeform;(on top of the mass-produced sinclair clones)
1147460;1432871683;decimation;in it, he says that he feels that code that is compiled and assembled from a higher level language (higher than assembly) isn't 'his'
1147461;1432871698;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I think in this case it was a z80 clone
1147462;1432871734;decimation;apparently in the yugoslav case it was because it was illegal to buy a foreign device above a certain dollar value - but you could buy the parts and assemble yourself
1147463;1432871774;asciilifeform;they had genuine z80 !?
1147464;1432871785;asciilifeform;bought with dollars ?!
1147465;1432871805;decimation;now, thinking about what the assembly from (say bitcoind) would look like - our slavic human assembler would think that whoever wrote the code was afflicted with a case of 'word salad' madness
1147466;1432871817;decimation;asciilifeform: I think he said he bought with marks
1147467;1432871827;decimation;and yes, apparently parts were available
1147468;1432871839;asciilifeform;decimation: reading disasm of cpp crapolade is a misery
1147469;1432871845;*;asciilifeform does it regularly, does not relish
1147470;1432871872;decimation;right, so 'fits in head' fails in all languages higher than assembly, on the c machine
1147471;1432871891;decimation;because it's the bedrock yo
1147472;1432871919;asciilifeform;decimation has a point in that even a very trivial cpp proggy can have very peculiar manifest behaviour
1147473;1432871933;asciilifeform;even aside from cryptozoological animals like gcc errata
1147474;1432871969;decimation;right, the 'value' of c++ is that you can 'forget' about the crap like 'malloc' 'free' etc
1147475;1432871989;decimation;but these are precisely what you want to 'fit in head'
1147476;1432872032;decimation;how to fit std::map and std::vector in head?  bastards designed by committee
1147477;1432872041;asciilifeform;which is why i think that at a certain point the advantage of a 'bitcoin' which can be -understood- will outweigh the danger of failing to enumerate every possible corner case of the original turd when crafting the ada safety-critical bitcoinatron
1147478;1432872095;decimation;yes.  but until that point comes, I agree that there's alot of cruft in there - there's no reason why working memory needs to be gigabytes
1147479;1432872208;asciilifeform;we'll know when it comes when the folks who have skin in the game say it did..
1147480;1432872232;asciilifeform;(see excellent old thread re: this subject)
1147481;1432872289;decimation;the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of trading them for something)
1147482;1432872411;decimation;asciilifeform: amusingly the yugoslav guy said that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume)
1147483;1432872418;asciilifeform;that was sop
1147484;1432872425;asciilifeform;where else are you gonna store
1147485;1432872443;decimation;he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games
1147486;1432872474;*;asciilifeform has trouble believing that this came to any good unless you lived next door to the station
1147487;1432872497;decimation;well, if the SNR was high and the bitrate was low, it would work well enough
1147488;1432872522;decimation;I suspect it was something like 300 baud "bell 202" type modem
1147489;1432872553;*;asciilifeform as a boy sometimes listened to his brother's 'bk-0010' tapes
1147490;1432872570;asciilifeform;we didn't have the thing at home. just the tapes
1147491;1432872611;asciilifeform;(his school didn't have tape decks, you had to bring yer own if family had one)
1147492;1432872658;decimation;heh interesting
1147493;1432872672;decimation;Yeah before flash and cheap hard drives/floppy drives your only option was tape
1147494;1432872678;decimation;or 'prom'
1147495;1432872697;asciilifeform;tape was the mega-storage because just about everyone could beg/borrow/steal a deck
1147496;1432872705;asciilifeform;no special hardware needed
1147497;1432872742;decimation;yeah also common and cheap I guess
1147498;1432872781;asciilifeform;incidentally, long after connecting analogue tape decks to computer was a forgotten misery in the west, ru folks were connecting vcr and getting respectable (10-20G) backup
1147499;1432872785;asciilifeform;as late as early 2000s
1147500;1432872854;asciilifeform;vhs tape can hold a surprising amount (helical scan head!) but tends to rot rather quickly
1147501;1432872904;decimation;yeah you would need heavy forward error correction
1147502;1432872930;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> which is why i think that at a certain point >> that point is conceivably after our times.
1147503;1432872944;asciilifeform;definitely after my time.
1147504;1432872965;decimation;mircea_popescu: you think folks will make do with shit c++ code for our lifetime?
1147505;1432872967;mircea_popescu;<decimation> he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games << i had games i had downloaded off the natl tv station.
1147506;1432872971;mircea_popescu;CRACKED games.
1147507;1432872978;decimation;heh that's amusing
1147508;1432872981;decimation;for c64?
1147509;1432872996;asciilifeform;decimation: c64 was not a z80 box
1147510;1432872999;mircea_popescu;for tim-s
1147511;1432873002;mircea_popescu;which was a z80 clone.
1147512;1432873004;decimation;yeah I know
1147513;1432873010;decimation;ah interesting
1147514;1432873050;decimation;c64 had a version of 6502 like apple II
1147515;1432873065;mircea_popescu;this was the 48kb + 16kb for basic interpreter thing
1147516;1432873082;mircea_popescu;but you could also wipe the 16kb if you never called the thing, via DMA of the time
1147517;1432873093;mircea_popescu;user could poke arbitrary ram
1147518;1432873098;mircea_popescu;(instruction being called... POKE)
1147519;1432873104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interpreter wasn't in rom on your thing ?
1147520;1432873112;mircea_popescu;the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated - the machine's on isn't it ?
1147521;1432873122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was in rom and copied to the ram at startup iirc
1147522;1432873129;asciilifeform;ah
1147523;1432873133;mircea_popescu;not run FROM rom
1147524;1432873177;decimation;from the comments on that yugoslav interview: "Also, there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of trying to stop the drain of foreign currency. The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods that cost more than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in todays money). "
1147525;1432873181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33139 @ 0.00031476 = 10.4308 BTC [-]
1147526;1432873197;asciilifeform;exercise for readers: describe -why- it was common (as is today) not to run directly from rom.
1147527;1432873251;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'peek' and 'poke' were sop on c64 and most micros of the time, aha
1147528;1432873274;asciilifeform;the two most useful 'basic' keywords, yes.
1147529;1432873282;asciilifeform;arguably none of the others needed to be learned..
1147530;1432873342;decimation;asciilifeform: was it because loading the contents of the rom into ram allowed a single address space?
1147531;1432873358;asciilifeform;decimation: it was a single address space no matter what
1147532;1432873378;asciilifeform;(not one of these things had an mmu, nor was there any conceivable need for such a thing on a single-process os)
1147533;1432873398;asciilifeform;the reason is that you can do local vars ('static' to a 'c' programmer) in ram
1147534;1432873421;asciilifeform;but in rom, you need a ram stack/heap and can't simply shit where you eat
1147535;1432873443;decimation;it seems that you could pull this off
1147536;1432873450;decimation;but it would be highly non-portable
1147537;1432873453;asciilifeform;you can - but it takes planning
1147538;1432873492;asciilifeform;x86 never runs from rom. not even on warmup when sdram waitstate timer is not yet initialized
1147539;1432873500;asciilifeform;(how? 'cache as ram' mode of x86 cpu)
1147540;1432873572;asciilifeform;hypothetically, one could run an x86 box without any ram inserted, given a clever bios made for this occasion.
1147541;1432873608;asciilifeform;i thought about actually making this, some years ago, as it had useful applications
1147542;1432873611;decimation;especially with modern cpus that have tons of cache
1147543;1432873622;asciilifeform;(cpu is warm and 'remanence' is a non-issue. think, crypto.)
1147544;1432873642;decimation;plus low power, small form factor
1147545;1432873648;asciilifeform;and no wait-cycles
1147546;1432873657;asciilifeform;good for data-compact number crunching problems
1147547;1432873671;asciilifeform;(of the kind i was working on with al schwartz and others)
1147548;1432873678;decimation;to the poor slav z80 coder, the 'naked' xeon has embarassingly rich resources
1147549;1432873709;asciilifeform;hell, the 8MB cache of my ancient 'opteron' is more than i had in my 486dx2
1147550;1432873715;asciilifeform;(of total ram)
1147551;1432873792;decimation;asciilifeform: ideally you would want to connect this naked cpu to others via the memory bus
1147552;1432873806;decimation;but God help the poor soul who would try
1147553;1432873809;asciilifeform;nah we're talking about off-the-shelf iron
1147554;1432873816;asciilifeform;and making best use thereof
1147555;1432873836;asciilifeform;but i have thought about connecting generic x86 boxen via the ram slots
1147556;1432873838;decimation;well, off the shelf you could attach to a good 10gigE card with netboot
1147557;1432873854;asciilifeform;$$$$$$$
1147558;1432873858;decimation;yeah exactly
1147559;1432873877;decimation;it would be cheap to use a 1 gige, but it would also have sad throughput
1147560;1432873889;asciilifeform;ethernet, also, has ludicrous cpu overhead
1147561;1432873903;asciilifeform;so the maximal throughputs are virtually never reached in practice
1147562;1432873908;decimation;yeah, especially if ip stack
1147563;1432874011;asciilifeform;(connection via ram slots is not, as it may appear, lunacy, but could be done with fpga, which would pretend to be a slice of sdram to two boxes at the same time, ignoring refresh cycles and managing locking somehow)
1147564;1432874035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00032766 = 7.8147 BTC [+] {2} 
1147565;1432874117;decimation;yeah I can imagine it for a pair of cpus, but what if you wanted N cpus?
1147566;1432874120;asciilifeform;there was an outfit which sold something quite like this (fpga on sdram stick) and even one in the shape of a cpu, which could sit down in ordinary cpu socket on multisocket mb
1147567;1432874122;decimation;I suppose a ring of some sort
1147568;1432874125;asciilifeform;but it got nsa'd
1147569;1432874152;asciilifeform;ring, yes
1147570;1432874157;asciilifeform;or preferably 2d fabric
1147571;1432874162;asciilifeform;(compass arrows)
1147572;1432874172;decimation;yeah
1147573;1432874176;asciilifeform;hell, crossbars.
1147574;1432874202;asciilifeform;i assume that the folks who a) want this b) can afford it --- have it.
1147575;1432874211;asciilifeform;as always.
1147576;1432874377;decimation;yeah, but if they can afford it they can also probably also afford to design a custom motherboard
1147577;1432874392;asciilifeform;economy of scale
1147578;1432874401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38444 @ 0.0003267 = 12.5597 BTC [-]
1147579;1432874409;asciilifeform;can get that many more generic turdboards for same price
1147580;1432874423;asciilifeform;ever since the '1024 chickens' transition, that is generally how it was done
1147581;1432874520;asciilifeform;folks with infinite money do bake own mb, yes
1147582;1432874529;asciilifeform;but even there, there are not ten thousand on one board
1147583;1432874535;asciilifeform;usually there is some interconnection bus.
1147584;1432874553;asciilifeform;(between boards)
1147585;1432874565;decimation;the original 'cray' machines used differential ecl lines
1147586;1432874571;asciilifeform;'hippi' aha
1147587;1432874574;asciilifeform;or what was it.
1147588;1432874773;decimation;"Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. " < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1
1147589;1432874839;asciilifeform;exotic then, but today every piece of shit lcd is plugged in through something entirely like this.
1147590;1432874873;decimation;heh yeah.  or pcie
1147591;1432874898;asciilifeform;just about anything.
1147592;1432874903;asciilifeform;try find a pc mb without 'meanders'
1147593;1432874988;decimation;well, with clock rates above 500 mhz, your pcb starts to look like an rf transmission line
1147594;1432876358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00032774 = 15.0105 BTC [+]
1147595;1432877096;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. randomize usr eh.
1147596;1432877646;mircea_popescu;"and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
1147597;1432877673;mircea_popescu;alternatively, it would be 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day
1147598;1432877906;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144
1147599;1432878163;mircea_popescu;mostly because http://trenchcoatx.com/about lulz. "We believe in high quality product, fair prices for the consumer, and fair pay for the people who work for us. Right now we�re in beta, figuring out how these values fit into today�s adult entertainment industry. "
1147600;1432878223;mircea_popescu;glhf. the problems of being born in the 80s, ie, too late.
1147601;1432879626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4306 @ 0.0003267 = 1.4068 BTC [-]
1147602;1432881517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57650 @ 0.00031605 = 18.2203 BTC [-] {3} 
1147603;1432881944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32301 @ 0.00031404 = 10.1438 BTC [-]
1147604;1432882067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74936 @ 0.00031404 = 23.5329 BTC [-]
1147605;1432882310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59582 @ 0.00031404 = 18.7111 BTC [-]
1147606;1432883042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.0003135 = 22.3682 BTC [-] {4} 
1147607;1432883469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00031331 = 11.7805 BTC [-] {2} 
1147608;1432883530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00031104 = 11.1974 BTC [-]
1147609;1432884445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53850 @ 0.00030766 = 16.5675 BTC [-] {3} 
1147610;1432885321;punkman; http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/
1147611;1432885807;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this is EXACTLY how communists ran their industry in romania of the 60s
1147612;1432885817;mircea_popescu;"free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!"
1147613;1432885869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00031723 = 4.0923 BTC [+]
1147614;1432885959;mircea_popescu;"eRadiators makes the data more secure: "It becomes nearly impossible to know what data is where, when it is there and how to get to it," Nerdalize's Florian Schneider told the BBC."
1147615;1432885962;mircea_popescu;yeah, right.
1147616;1432885967;mircea_popescu;and i have a bridge to sell.
1147617;1432886538;punkman;I wonder how they'll keep the workload at 1kw when the box doesn't have work to do, run some useless code?
1147618;1432886617;punkman;maybe cpu-mine bitcoin for a couple satoshis :P
1147619;1432887002;punkman;mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" << "Academica has installed a new 2MW database server centre ... Water warmed while cooling the servers will go on to provide heat for 500 homes or 1,000 flats ... After the heat is extracted, the water will be recycled back to cool the servers again."
1147620;1432887017;punkman;not a bad approach if you don't have to suffer the smog I guess
1147621;1432887122;punkman;!up Vexual
1147622;1432887216;Vexual;lol tamper proof, not in my loungeroom
1147623;1432887272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119250 @ 0.00032727 = 39.0269 BTC [+] {4} 
1147624;1432887315;punkman;and some frenchies with the same idea http://www.qarnot-computing.com/technology
1147625;1432887637;Vexual;id put a little rainbow sticker on a kb and get alf and mp 'round with a case of cognac
1147626;1432887674;Vexual;tell em its a z80
1147627;1432887941;scoopbot_revived;Planes, trains, automobiles, and atomic dirigibles der Schweiz. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/29/planes-trains-automobiles-and-atomic-dirigibles-der-schweiz/
1147628;1432889022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00031666 = 10.0381 BTC [-]
1147629;1432890242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29934 @ 0.00031538 = 9.4406 BTC [-] {2} 
1147630;1432892927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00032869 = 5.1933 BTC [+]
1147631;1432893170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31458 @ 0.00033063 = 10.401 BTC [+] {4} 
1147632;1432893611;jurov;<ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
1147633;1432894207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29187 @ 0.00033108 = 9.6632 BTC [+]
1147634;1432895915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8432 @ 0.00032533 = 2.7432 BTC [-]
1147635;1432896647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00032866 = 9.9584 BTC [+] {2} 
1147636;1432897379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00033153 = 8.6861 BTC [+] {2} 
1147637;1432899575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00032712 = 2.895 BTC [-]
1147638;1432899758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00032712 = 11.4165 BTC [-]
1147639;1432900063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00032449 = 13.8882 BTC [-]
1147640;1432900368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00031517 = 16.9404 BTC [-] {4} 
1147641;1432900767;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://sidewalkcircus.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/baskethead.jpg
1147642;1432900827;mircea_popescu;punkman the correct way to do this would be with heat exchangers of course.
1147643;1432900827;mircea_popescu;but the arrangement prolly more expensive than the dc
1147644;1432901193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00032721 = 6.6424 BTC [+] {2} 
1147645;1432902230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0151 = 1.2533 BTC [+]
1147646;1432902352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50469 @ 0.00033203 = 16.7572 BTC [+] {2} 
1147647;1432902596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00033269 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2} 
1147648;1432902840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.0003331 = 17.4878 BTC [+]
1147649;1432903694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00033042 = 21.8738 BTC [-] {2} 
1147650;1432903755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00033344 = 17.3722 BTC [+] {2} 
1147651;1432904548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00031737 = 15.3924 BTC [-] {2} 
1147652;1432905646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00031571 = 10.3553 BTC [-] {2} 
1147653;1432906194;asciilifeform;;;later tell Vexual maxpeers 1 addpeer local doesn't test behaviour against torrential 'orphan' crapolade, and other wild things
1147654;1432906195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103700 @ 0.0003328 = 34.5114 BTC [+] {2} 
1147655;1432906195;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1147656;1432906287;asciilifeform;in other news,
1147657;1432906298;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_LIVE.txt and http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_MAX.txt
1147658;1432906479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30256 @ 0.00033413 = 10.1094 BTC [+] {3} 
1147659;1432906527;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
1147660;1432906527;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman:  http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/
1147661;1432906540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23694 @ 0.00033482 = 7.9332 BTC [+]
1147662;1432906758;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
1147663;1432906758;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 05:34:06; mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
1147664;1432906959;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov 'Source Code Browser' link on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html appears to point to unpatched generic 0.5.3 ?
1147665;1432907019;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1147666;1432907385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00031508 = 5.9235 BTC [-]
1147667;1432907629;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195921_end_total.txt << totals after we sigterm bitcoind
1147668;1432907689;asciilifeform;^ not especially useful, afaik
1147669;1432907690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.000321 = 16.1463 BTC [+] {2} 
1147670;1432907734;*;mod6 looks
1147671;1432907756;mod6;btw my test with both of your patches {thermonuke} + {tx amputation} is at 193988
1147672;1432907820;asciilifeform;mod6: post pmap -x -p [yourprocessid]  plz
1147673;1432907995;mod6;ok. -p doens't seem to be a thing...
1147674;1432907999;mod6;one sec
1147675;1432908130;mod6;http://dpaste.com/12NDD1X.txt
1147676;1432908190;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1147677;1432908190;mod6;np
1147678;1432908190;asciilifeform;the interesting number, btw, is 269868
1147679;1432908231;asciilifeform;(current total of 'dirty pages')
1147680;1432908238;asciilifeform;in kB
1147681;1432910325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72450 @ 0.00033494 = 24.2664 BTC [+] {2} 
1147682;1432910569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14247 @ 0.00033507 = 4.7737 BTC [+]
1147683;1432910813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00033507 = 9.7673 BTC [+]
1147684;1432911179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216242 @ 0.00032483 = 70.2419 BTC [-] {2} 
1147685;1432912948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6144 @ 0.00033507 = 2.0587 BTC [+]
1147686;1432912984;BingoBoingo;Oh lol, Gavin might run of to HearnCoin http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34155307/
1147687;1432913243;BingoBoingo;Obligatory Derpatary wit much Hernia https://archive.is/SNAlx
1147688;1432913609;BingoBoingo;!up phf
1147689;1432913646;phf;thanks
1147690;1432915255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00032923 = 3.1606 BTC [-]
1147691;1432915435;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller
1147692;1432915448;BingoBoingo;!up phf
1147693;1432915478;danielpbarron;!up rwg
1147694;1432915485;rwg;hello
1147695;1432915490;rwg;about to head out.
1147696;1432915495;rwg;packing the car lol
1147697;1432915516;danielpbarron;no problem; i'll keep upping you till you get a gpg key registered
1147698;1432915536;rwg;lol
1147699;1432915558;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu asciilifeform : http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34155307/ << this nigga has declared war on the anti-forkers... seems like spinning wheels but knowing hearn, we'll likely see an XT release with the 20MB removed.
1147700;1432915602;thestringpuller;now that axe-time is essentially at doorstep...
1147701;1432916247;punkman;heh http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-development/thread/CANEZrP15X2JbMazMN7Rw2oxums6X-D3m5zBP02YoqTa6UTzfHQ%40mail.gmail.com/
1147702;1432916307;punkman;"There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
1147703;1432916377;danielpbarron;EPiSKiNG-, this letter http://qntra.net/2015/05/ulbricht-to-be-sentenced-friday/
1147704;1432916437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18468 @ 0.00033147 = 6.1216 BTC [+]
1147705;1432916864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00033147 = 2.2374 BTC [+]
1147706;1432916987;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
1147707;1432916987;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for Cusipzzz with note: banned me from -otc for speaking out against the fork
1147708;1432916988;scoopbot_revived;Gavin Threatens to Quit Bitcoin Development and Join Hearn's Fork http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/
1147709;1432917035;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot Cusipzzz
1147710;1432917036;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user Cusipzzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=Cusipzzz | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Cusipzzz/
1147711;1432917038;danielpbarron;:D
1147712;1432917291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00033147 = 11.1042 BTC [+]
1147713;1432917629;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller
1147714;1432918034;BingoBoingo;!up Xuthus
1147715;1432918450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36892 @ 0.00032923 = 12.146 BTC [-]
1147716;1432918511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47271 @ 0.00033544 = 15.8566 BTC [+] {4} 
1147717;1432918634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55936 @ 0.0003363 = 18.8113 BTC [+] {2} 
1147718;1432919208;BingoBoingo;Phuctor is closing in on half a million moduli
1147719;1432921012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00033713 = 6.0178 BTC [+]
1147720;1432921475;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1147721;1432921798;danielpbarron;!up sinetek
1147722;1432921927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00033433 = 22.2998 BTC [-]
1147723;1432922110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00033713 = 1.1631 BTC [+]
1147724;1432922415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54735 @ 0.00033715 = 18.4539 BTC [+] {2} 
1147725;1432922842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.0003376 = 17.589 BTC [+] {2} 
1147726;1432923356;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1147727;1432925160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130350 @ 0.00033794 = 44.0505 BTC [+] {3} 
1147728;1432925413;mod6;!up ascii_field
1147729;1432925709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35158 @ 0.0003334 = 11.7217 BTC [-] {2} 
1147730;1432925755;ascii_field;l0l re: hearniacoin
1147731;1432926503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.0003289 = 3.3242 BTC [-]
1147732;1432927417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55600 @ 0.00032766 = 18.2179 BTC [-]
1147733;1432928149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6532 @ 0.00033008 = 2.1561 BTC [+]
1147734;1432929563;jurov;asciilifeform: why do you think? the patches are not there? unless i made a mistake, it is the result of mod6's 0.5.3.1 release build script
1147735;1432930106;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html guess imma check against this
1147736;1432930191;jurov;mod6 why did you change directory layout in the .tar.gz? i either lose the ability ot compare it to other versions, or lose all files like README, auto.sh that are on the top level
1147737;1432930215;jurov;(the latter happened in this case)
1147738;1432930400;jurov;and looks like nobody ever followed the manual when submitting additional signatures to the turdatron :(
1147739;1432930427;mod6;huh?
1147740;1432930438;*;mod6 looks
1147741;1432930531;jurov;mod6: original releases have src folder one level deep, your has it two
1147742;1432930596;mod6;yeah, this is where these artifacts needed to be.
1147743;1432930641;jurov;and it's ever more important than consistency for comparisons?
1147744;1432930658;mod6;it didn't make sense to me to build boost, openssl and bdb under the "bitcoin" directory.
1147745;1432930678;mod6;I didn't have any clue this would impact anything that you had working.
1147746;1432930763;jurov;now you do. it does break recusrive diff
1147747;1432930764;mod6;where are you having issues with this?
1147748;1432930829;jurov;i will have to flatten the hierarchy before feeding it to lxr browser ( and if you will move files further around, undo that as well)
1147749;1432931069;jurov;if it was convenience for build script, usually build scripts create new directories for their dirty stuff anyway, so i don't see the problem there
1147750;1432931996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50850 @ 0.00032563 = 16.5583 BTC [-] {2} 
1147751;1432932254;felipelalli;hi friends! If I want to sell 1000 BTC in Italy, is that easy to make this off-exchange? Any useful contacts?
1147752;1432932361;jurov;you need them how quickly?
1147753;1432932362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55896 @ 0.00032434 = 18.1293 BTC [-] {2} 
1147754;1432932703;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1147755;1432932712;ascii_field;http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa
1147756;1432932954;trinque;yep, they're thowing away the key
1147757;1432932958;trinque;*throwing
1147758;1432933626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12932 @ 0.00032167 = 4.1598 BTC [-] {2} 
1147759;1432933748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48278 @ 0.00031725 = 15.3162 BTC [-]
1147760;1432933879;jurov;https://twitter.com/chijs/status/603599293602234368 free led bulbs!!!11 :DDD
1147761;1432933907;jurov;no need to fuss with cable tv boxes, even
1147762;1432933962;ascii_field;'Bitfury developed a light bulb that automatically mines Bitcoin when you screw it in' << for usg, aha
1147763;1432934123;trinque;has the govt announced an auction for the rest of ulbricht's coin?
1147764;1432934142;ascii_field;trinque: didn't agent force walk with it ?
1147765;1432934193;trinque;not sure how much he made off with
1147766;1432934251;trinque;http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents
1147767;1432934341;decimation;ascii_field: more interesting is this case: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/05/28/former-house-speaker-dennis-hastert-indicted/
1147768;1432934401;ascii_field;decimation: http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-us-house-speaker-indicted-on-attempting-to-evade-financial-surveillance
1147769;1432934461;decimation;he was indicted by a grand jury for... not telling usg what he was going to do with his cash
1147770;1432934461;trinque;"structuring"
1147771;1432934461;decimation;did you read the indictment?
1147772;1432934461;ascii_field;aha
1147773;1432934461;decimation;it's fucked up.  if there's any good call for jury anullment, this is it
1147774;1432934461;trinque;I have not, taking a look
1147775;1432934461;ascii_field;cattle vote precisely as ordered to - whether at election or in jury
1147776;1432934462;decimation;now you know the reality is that the press and the prosecutors are going to talk about how he was dirty bastard or whatever
1147777;1432934474;decimation;but the actual fact is that he didn't submit to the government spies who work in his bank
1147778;1432934533;decimation;!up ascii_field
1147779;1432934562;decimation;another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
1147780;1432934581;trinque;I wonder if it will ever be known how many usg intelligence agents have been planted in various public offices
1147781;1432934587;trinque;judges, so on
1147782;1432934607;decimation;trinque: there's not need.  the bank is illegal if it doesn't comply
1147783;1432934626;trinque;perhaps just being a part of the same govt is enough for them to help each other
1147784;1432934637;trinque;does seem though that certain things always find a willing judge
1147785;1432934658;decimation;well, they are elected by the same cattle generally
1147786;1432934666;trinque;I always think of Jessie Ventura's story about being summoned to DC for questioning by the CIA
1147787;1432934682;trinque;topic of "where the fuck did you come from?"
1147788;1432934741;ascii_field;<decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
1147789;1432934744;felipelalli;jurov: I'm not sure yet, it is not for me, but to my father. As soon I have more details, can I contact you in pvt?
1147790;1432934748;ascii_field;otherwise he would be untouchable
1147791;1432934761;decimation;yeah, somebody somewhere pulled the trigger, no doubt
1147792;1432934773;decimation;probably because of political enmity or whatever
1147793;1432934773;jurov;felipelalli:  yes you can
1147794;1432934795;felipelalli;jurov: thank you.
1147795;1432935133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00031714 = 17.1256 BTC [-] {3} 
1147796;1432935197;danielpbarron;https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png >> ...that thumbnail...
1147797;1432935489;jurov;win.
1147798;1432935628;trinque;ahaha
1147799;1432935642;trinque;opening trilema in public is always a dice roll
1147800;1432935665;jurov;felipelalli: i recommend explaining to your father asap that it's better not to sell whole package at once
1147801;1432935735;felipelalli;jurov: I said that to him. He said he'll study to keep (or distribute) some part in bitcoin. I already found sellers here in Brazil.
1147802;1432935782;trinque;decimation: in reading the indictment of the former speaker, the terrible consequences of using "intent" as a legal concept are apparent
1147803;1432935820;trinque;allows for a black hole of thoughtcrime charges
1147804;1432935832;williamdunne;felipelalli: You want to sell? I might be able to organize this for you
1147805;1432935875;williamdunne;!gettrust williamdunne felipelalli
1147806;1432935875;assbot;Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/
1147807;1432935933;trinque;it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
1147808;1432935963;felipelalli;williamdunne: move usd from Brazil to Italy. My father is studying to use bitcoin. A Brazilian exchange is helping me with that but the problem now is find buyers in Italy.
1147809;1432935976;felipelalli;williamdunne: are you Italian?
1147810;1432936085;williamdunne;I am not italian but I have access to euro
1147811;1432936098;williamdunne;You don't need money in Italy, you need money in Europe
1147812;1432936101;williamdunne;All the same money..
1147813;1432936124;williamdunne;But yes, I can't organize 200k in cash but I can probably find a buyer via bank transfer
1147814;1432936133;felipelalli;williamdunne: they can make free transfer between different countries?
1147815;1432936152;williamdunne;Yes, but why would you care about free on a deal that large?
1147816;1432936162;felipelalli;williamdunne: "free" I mean cheap.
1147817;1432936170;williamdunne;Yeah one or two euro
1147818;1432936177;felipelalli;it's free :)
1147819;1432936202;williamdunne;Aha, well yes. But on 1000 bitcoin even a wire transfer at 20 euros isn't really a problem :D
1147820;1432936212;felipelalli;sure!! :)
1147821;1432936214;williamdunne;But yes, do you need this? I will speak to someone
1147822;1432936219;felipelalli;But 1% would be a problem.
1147823;1432936223;williamdunne;Sure
1147824;1432936242;felipelalli;I have to talk with him again. I'm waiting his call.
1147825;1432936250;felipelalli;thank you guys.
1147826;1432936275;williamdunne;Sure thing, I'll PM you if I know someone interested
1147827;1432937984;jurov;wiring 200k euro isn't a problem if you're a company that does it like, every month
1147828;1432938037;williamdunne;Yeah thats fine, I could handle that
1147829;1432938321;scoopbot_revived;Ross Ulbricht Sentenced To Life In Prison http://qntra.net/2015/05/ross-ulbricht-sentenced-to-life-in-prison/
1147830;1432938612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00032949 = 10.4448 BTC [+]
1147831;1432939344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10699 @ 0.00032904 = 3.5204 BTC [-]
1147832;1432940076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66800 @ 0.00032974 = 22.0266 BTC [+] {2} 
1147833;1432941174;mircea_popescu;hey check it out, nsa-dev goes to join ver-foundation in the pile of relevancy ?
1147834;1432941178;mircea_popescu;this is good for bitcoin.
1147835;1432941363;mircea_popescu;!rated sipa
1147836;1432941363;assbot;You have not rated sipa.
1147837;1432941381;mircea_popescu;;;later tell sipa if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, i'll rate you so you can voice.
1147838;1432941382;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1147839;1432941400;mircea_popescu;!rated BlueMatt
1147840;1432941400;assbot;You rated user BlueMatt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
1147841;1432941423;mircea_popescu;;;later tell BlueMatt if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, you have a rating already, so you can voice.
1147842;1432941424;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1147843;1432941571;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << incidentally, the fact that this has been funded is proof positive that bezzle IT industry broadly agrees with me : moore's law is dead.
1147844;1432941571;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman:  http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/
1147845;1432941586;mircea_popescu;there's no expectation the contents of the boxes be obsolete any time before it amortises.
1147846;1432941668;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147632 << i do, whenever i write by hand. the women and nurses can usually read it, but not really anyone else.
1147847;1432941668;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 10:00:11; jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
1147848;1432941782;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147659 << obviously eats your air. engineering assumption being "where could we get a fixed 20 degrees source ?", otherwise who'd bother with the meatsacks.
1147849;1432941782;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
1147850;1432941845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36255 @ 0.00033716 = 12.2237 BTC [+] {2} 
1147851;1432941853;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147662 << in principle, but this is eminently one of those cases where the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory does not exist.
1147852;1432941853;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 13:39:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
1147853;1432941899;mircea_popescu;"in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, while in practice theory does not exist." fify!
1147854;1432941982;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147678 << does your 32 mb inner core feel encouraged by this ? :D
1147855;1432941982;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 14:03:10; asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868
1147856;1432942699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00033891 = 15.2679 BTC [+] {2} 
1147857;1432942860;mircea_popescu;as BingoBoingo points out, this has been a very high lulz week.
1147858;1432942864;mircea_popescu;price increase incoming ?
1147859;1432942897;BingoBoingo;MPOE price is moving  up
1147860;1432942939;mircea_popescu;oh that it is huh.
1147861;1432942980;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, the one interesting tidbit in all this : one difference between current bitcoin and hearn-bitcoin is that the latter replaces Jeff Garzik's DNS seed with the seed run by one Addy Yeow.
1147862;1432942981;BingoBoingo;Also this is only high lolz compared to recent weeks. We're probably still below December's lolz levels still.
1147863;1432942995;mircea_popescu;rather than simply getting rid of it.
1147864;1432943004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00033066 = 2.9485 BTC [-] {2} 
1147865;1432943009;mircea_popescu;this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
1147866;1432943043;mircea_popescu;not just from a "must be in there for we need all the dns-carried pores imported via glibc etc", but also in the much lower level "who's in charge of the it!!1" thing
1147867;1432943065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32533 @ 0.00032246 = 10.4906 BTC [-] {2} 
1147868;1432943142;mircea_popescu;(addy yeow aka ayeowch, "bitnodes" bs)
1147869;1432943221;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147702 << "the troops are just right over the horizon" and "real america supports me, for i am not a crook".
1147870;1432943221;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 16:18:27; punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
1147871;1432943225;BingoBoingo;Ah, the nodecounter that only counts post Hearnfork1 nodes
1147872;1432943228;mircea_popescu;is socialism ever getting a new playbook ?
1147873;1432943275;BingoBoingo;Of course software developers get no say. The say goes to the content farms in the Phillipines.
1147874;1432943287;mircea_popescu;"i paid someone to make five hundred thousand fake facebook pages that like me, SO THERE1!1"
1147875;1432943320;mircea_popescu;anyway, gavin best lolcow of 2015.
1147876;1432943353;mircea_popescu;i remember the sad days when all we had was kludge the banker and ponzi the smooth operator.
1147877;1432943418;mircea_popescu;got slightly better once mtgox got finished, but not by much. that year's lolcow promotion was delulded fatso, the pageantry genius with her "chamber of commerce", that schmuck in ny that meanwhile got sent to "privately practice" with his privates...
1147878;1432943429;mircea_popescu;2014 wasn't altogether bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to 2015 so far.
1147879;1432943570;mircea_popescu;drastically humiliated cantor fitzgerald vp, drastically humiliated nsa assets, i can't wait for autumn.
1147880;1432943605;mircea_popescu;oh, and lets not forget http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1147141
1147881;1432943605;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2015 22:27:06; cazalla: i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website)
1147882;1432943616;BingoBoingo;"muricademia also getting pretty lulzy this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/29/laura_kipnis_title_ix_investigation_feminism_political_correctness_controversy.html
1147883;1432943676;mircea_popescu;mildly humiliated us marshalls service and slightly more humiliated federal prosecutors. tho both of these being public servants, they can do a lot better than this.
1147884;1432943676;mircea_popescu;slate still exists huh
1147885;1432943676;BingoBoingo;Yeah, hard for them not too.
1147886;1432943705;BingoBoingo;They still have enough name of their own that they can cut their expenses gawker style without collecting as much gawker stench
1147887;1432943737;mircea_popescu;now this is a point
1147888;1432943761;mircea_popescu;gawker was somehow the loss leader in that, but otherwise "industry"-wide it's been a serious case of "work for free or don't work at all, for money there isn't".
1147889;1432943775;cazalla;i overstated that tbh.. most of it has been removed, there are a few remnants but the majority is gone
1147890;1432943779;mircea_popescu;which, inasmuch as it's factually correct, is what it is.
1147891;1432943793;mircea_popescu;cazalla screenshotted teh remnants ?
1147892;1432943828;mircea_popescu;"On Friday, Kipnis published another piece in the Chronicle, revealing that, in a twist that's ironic on more than one level, she is now the subject of an investigation into graduate student complaints that her earlier column and a subsequent tweet violated Title IX, the law that prohibits sex descrimination in education."
1147893;1432943833;mircea_popescu;i do not get how this is "ironic"
1147894;1432943836;cazalla;most of it is pdf and xls files such as www.usmarshals.gov/readingroom/foia_logs/2014_foia_log.xlsx
1147895;1432943859;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as the woman's public communication is being indicted for failing to kow-tow to idiocy, it'd seem this is just cultural-revolution style maoism.
1147896;1432943873;cazalla;still shows foia requests unresolved
1147897;1432943885;mircea_popescu;cazalla ahahaha idiots. same derps did this purge job that did thew original reddit "bitcoin blocks consensus" purge job ?
1147898;1432943909;BingoBoingo;Ironically the definition of irony used on the ESL interwebz has expanded so much it has no meaning. It nao has as much meaning as "a" or "the"
1147899;1432944053;mircea_popescu;cazalla "Error: Network error." lol archive no werk
1147900;1432944259;cazalla;who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine
1147901;1432944292;cazalla;so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation?
1147902;1432944826;mircea_popescu;depends. one counterfitter was freed from bastille.
1147903;1432944848;mircea_popescu;gheorghe gheorghiu dej went from common criminal to head of romanian state in a decade
1147904;1432944856;mircea_popescu;generally, the actual criminals do quite well.
1147905;1432944865;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt
1147906;1432944925;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1147907;1432944925;mircea_popescu;ah come on!
1147908;1432944925;trinque;I've asked numerous times for a list of URLs people want whitelisted.
1147909;1432944925;trinque;I assume I should add trilema :D
1147910;1432944925;mircea_popescu;trinque no but just don't check url
1147911;1432944925;mircea_popescu;the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him.
1147912;1432944925;trinque;I suppose I can dial back the paranoia
1147913;1432944928;mircea_popescu;ty.
1147914;1432944942;mircea_popescu;gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good.
1147915;1432944951;trinque;that's reasonable
1147916;1432944963;trinque;when I build new things I tend to err towards caution
1147917;1432944972;mircea_popescu;understandabru
1147918;1432945148;trinque;mircea_popescu: ok give it another go
1147919;1432945181;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt
1147920;1432945241;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1147921;1432945241;mircea_popescu;yay
1147922;1432945252;cazalla;check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
1147923;1432945312;mircea_popescu;how's this supposed to work.
1147924;1432945312;mircea_popescu;SummaryStatus: Disconnected lolk
1147925;1432945313;cazalla;apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation
1147926;1432945330;mircea_popescu;uhhh
1147927;1432945335;mircea_popescu;except this doesn't work lol.
1147928;1432945357;mircea_popescu;old coinbases still get priority.
1147929;1432945373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00031931 = 15.2949 BTC [-] {2} 
1147930;1432945400;mircea_popescu;not to even mention... fee paying txn
1147931;1432945408;cazalla;well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway
1147932;1432945436;mircea_popescu;the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk
1147933;1432945451;mircea_popescu;spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases.
1147934;1432945789;cazalla;some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn
1147935;1432945814;mircea_popescu;imagine the "stress test" if the blocks ACTUALLY WERE 20mb.
1147936;1432945828;mircea_popescu;one can always spin up an arbitrary number of spammy txn.
1147937;1432945830;midnightmagic;Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else..
1147938;1432945944;mircea_popescu;"Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meeting�and has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation."
1147939;1432945947;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy.
1147940;1432945960;mircea_popescu;i think ima start "tit 1337" investigations of random people nao.
1147941;1432945963;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not even.
1147942;1432946010;williamdunne;midnightmagic: I think its most likely just stupid people, nothing nefarious
1147943;1432946012;williamdunne;Well
1147944;1432946017;williamdunne;Outside of the stupidity that is
1147945;1432946073;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?
1147946;1432946073;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 16:29:47; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
1147947;1432946290;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147755 << seems adequate. "you mean kid in a dorm somewhere dared do something we disagree with on an ideological level ?!!!1?!?!?!"
1147948;1432946290;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa
1147949;1432946339;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff.
1147950;1432946339;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 21:17:31; trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents
1147951;1432946343;decimation;yeah but life in prison?
1147952;1432946391;mircea_popescu;they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits.
1147953;1432946407;cazalla;t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full
1147954;1432946411;mircea_popescu;what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house.
1147955;1432946428;decimation;he could 'buy' 'a house' though
1147956;1432946433;mircea_popescu;so he did.
1147957;1432946454;cazalla;don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds
1147958;1432946456;mircea_popescu;honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
1147959;1432946463;mircea_popescu;you can just paint or w/e it is you wanted to do.
1147960;1432946500;mircea_popescu;become a literary critic.
1147961;1432946520;cazalla;but the food..
1147962;1432946530;mircea_popescu;eh, it's about on par with what people generally eat.
1147963;1432946541;cazalla;he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator
1147964;1432946550;williamdunne;cazalla: Owes 18m, they removed what they gained from selling the coins
1147965;1432946568;decimation;apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef
1147966;1432946576;mircea_popescu;williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ?
1147967;1432946577;mircea_popescu;lmao
1147968;1432946578;decimation;but in chicken, simonella (which can eat your brain) isn't
1147969;1432946589;mircea_popescu;salmonella ?
1147970;1432946599;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all << Get yourself Bariatric, then get the life sentence for maximum cost infliction
1147971;1432946601;cazalla;williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."
1147972;1432946632;williamdunne;Can't remember which article I read it on
1147973;1432946634;williamdunne;But yeah
1147974;1432946642;trinque;does this come out of his deodorant and titty magazine account in prison?
1147975;1432946651;mircea_popescu;lol
1147976;1432946654;williamdunne;Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it
1147977;1432946674;decimation;yeah salmonella
1147978;1432946680;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility </sarc>
1147979;1432946689;mircea_popescu;decimation very unfair contrast, this. e coli is natural gut fauna. salmonella is never found in healthy humans.
1147980;1432946694;decimation;apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's
1147981;1432946726;decimation;where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination
1147982;1432946731;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> salmonella ? << It Birds and reptiles it is part of their normal flora. Can't be considered an adultrant
1147983;1432946743;mircea_popescu;but we're feeding us, not them
1147984;1432946753;decimation;BingoBoingo: but e.coli is in beef
1147985;1432946776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00033304 = 24.0621 BTC [+] {2} 
1147986;1432946783;BingoBoingo;decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli
1147987;1432946793;mircea_popescu;the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic
1147988;1432946805;mircea_popescu;these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic.
1147989;1432946813;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding you can make a steel sword and behead someone
1147990;1432946856;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic << unless you are a chicken or turtle... then salmonella is just normal poop bacteria
1147991;1432946869;mircea_popescu;well sure, i guess chicken fda has a diff take
1147992;1432946959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00033584 = 3.8118 BTC [+]
1147993;1432947043;BingoBoingo;Most people who self diagnose salmonella usually actually test positive for campylobacter anyways when chikken makes em sick
1147994;1432947075;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street.
1147995;1432947075;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
1147996;1432947084;mircea_popescu;check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
1147997;1432947285;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ?
1147998;1432947285;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
1147999;1432947299;mircea_popescu;is it related to his tooth brushing habits ? is it a function of being loose with women ?
1148000;1432947312;mircea_popescu;that is the point. to fall from grace there must be a grace first. there isn't.
1148001;1432947362;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/#comment-25130
1148002;1432947459;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png << bwahahaha.
1148003;1432947519;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, cazalla and i : bringing wtf to fb normies since a while ago.
1148004;1432947520;cazalla;normies get out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAO92foBwA
1148005;1432947580;BingoBoingo;best thumbnail
1148006;1432947580;mircea_popescu;dude can't even screem wtf.
1148007;1432947580;mircea_popescu;sounds liek a prison rape.
1148008;1432947603;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147807 << quite exactly.
1148009;1432947603;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
1148010;1432947631;mircea_popescu;once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed.
1148011;1432947707;BingoBoingo;So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming.
1148012;1432947763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00032301 = 16.1828 BTC [-] {2} 
1148013;1432947775;cazalla;keel it! fuck i hate cats
1148014;1432947778;BingoBoingo;All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish
1148015;1432947823;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside
1148016;1432947824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88174 @ 0.00031694 = 27.9459 BTC [-] {3} 
1148017;1432947839;cazalla;what harm is a field mouse?
1148018;1432947853;BingoBoingo;if it gets inside it shits everywhere and dies
1148019;1432947865;mircea_popescu;"As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. "
1148020;1432947874;mircea_popescu;random commentator on internets has an excewllent point
1148021;1432947884;mircea_popescu;that the defense failed to call out the moral-panic powered prosecution
1148022;1432947897;mircea_popescu;and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused,
1148023;1432947914;mircea_popescu;whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before-  BURN THE WITHCq!1"
1148024;1432947930;mircea_popescu;is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history.
1148025;1432947955;mircea_popescu;whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense.
1148026;1432947961;williamdunne;The lawyers derped there, big time
1148027;1432947979;mircea_popescu;nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth.
1148028;1432948048;BingoBoingo;Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao.
1148029;1432948053;cazalla;BingoBoingo, but cats shit every where too
1148030;1432948114;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either
1148031;1432948169;cazalla;i can't say i've ever had a problem with mice or know of anyone that has down under.. cats though? huge problem, huge shits, lots of noise
1148032;1432948297;cazalla;fyi http://i.imgur.com/sr1rQaa.png
1148033;1432948357;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147945 << http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/05/29#l1432915387.0
1148034;1432948357;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 00:34:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?
1148035;1432948423;decimation;mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street"
1148036;1432948423;mircea_popescu;!rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
1148037;1432948423;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6a33e02f8f285012
1148038;1432948446;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.cusipzzz.-10:7efb49656c3c4fe3426e105cd84804e418313f0ad96ac8ae211f55148c7a83cf
1148039;1432948446;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
1148040;1432948463;BingoBoingo;Well, for what it is worth this cat sucks at being feral. I went out for a cig and it was just sitting under a tree. Might be someone wanted an outdoor cat as a pet.
1148041;1432948481;mircea_popescu;and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked.
1148042;1432948481;BingoBoingo;cazalla: You forget we have farms, woods, and native wild bunnies
1148043;1432948483;mircea_popescu;should be simple enough.,
1148044;1432948554;BingoBoingo;Oh, -otc basically a trap nao?
1148045;1432948561;danielpbarron;defo
1148046;1432948583;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo -otc has all teh "relevancy" one could ever wish for.
1148047;1432948864;BingoBoingo;I kinda thought as much
1148048;1432949809;midnightmagic;williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private)
1148049;1432949817;midnightmagic;And they get paid by people they never met.
1148050;1432949889;williamdunne;Sure, I know shills exist, I was offered some myself
1148051;1432949901;williamdunne;I just thing the vast majority of the people are just derping
1148052;1432949929;mircea_popescu;this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping
1148053;1432949934;mircea_popescu;they just derp to themselves.
1148054;1432950299;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up
1148055;1432950299;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
1148056;1432950313;BingoBoingo;midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd
1148057;1432950391;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo afaik it's just a hard working guy that is completely misguided as to what constitutes business etc.
1148058;1432950401;mircea_popescu;"professional"
1148059;1432950424;williamdunne;Won't even own any bitcoin because it could make him 'biased'
1148060;1432950430;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories
1148061;1432950480;mircea_popescu;williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ?
1148062;1432950498;mircea_popescu;fresh off a community college course in "introduction to journalism" from wichita ?
1148063;1432950524;midnightmagic;I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh.
1148064;1432950576;williamdunne;Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset.
1148065;1432950601;mircea_popescu;yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them.
1148066;1432950618;mircea_popescu;they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future.
1148067;1432950793;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? << Whichever Timothy go hooked into working for Vox faced this dilemma. Staid with Vox to his peril
1148068;1432950793;scoopbot_revived;The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/
1148069;1432950811;danielpbarron;!up Bjander
1148070;1432950968;decimation;!gettrust belxjander
1148071;1432950968;assbot;belxjander is not registered in WoT.
1148072;1432950980;decimation;!gettrust bjander
1148073;1432950980;assbot;bjander is not registered in WoT.
1148074;1432951468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00031579 = 19.8158 BTC [-] {3} 
1148075;1432951707;mircea_popescu;also http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-145.0-149.0 to go with that article.
1148076;1432951889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00032293 = 4.5533 BTC [+]
1148077;1432951975;decimation;representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people
1148078;1432952014;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one
1148079;1432952032;mircea_popescu;sure o.O
1148080;1432952073;BingoBoingo;decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions.
1148081;1432952117;BingoBoingo;Now how long we gotta wait on scoopy...
1148082;1432952117;scoopbot_revived;Some Other People Sentenced This Month in US Courts http://qntra.net/2015/05/some-other-people-sentenced-this-month-in-us-courts/
1148083;1432952143;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if you can find someone like this, it'll usually be a paralegal.
1148084;1432952173;*;BingoBoingo presently has a "good christian lawyer"
1148085;1432952175;decimation;A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself).  The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector)
1148086;1432952208;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: but yeah you hire them for their license and make em paralegal for you
1148087;1432952211;decimation;the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts.  meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job
1148088;1432952216;mircea_popescu;"Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O
1148089;1432952249;decimation;My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately'
1148090;1432952265;mircea_popescu;well, in cases which are essentially this to begin with...
1148091;1432952270;decimation;exactly.
1148092;1432952292;decimation;well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton
1148093;1432952311;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him.
1148094;1432952339;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wow check it out, woman betrayed teh pakistani ring!
1148095;1432952351;BingoBoingo;Tends to happen.
1148096;1432952396;mircea_popescu;"Chrisopher Serna (archived) was sentenced to 50 years in prison by a Florida court for cutting off his girlfriend's head and sticking it on a pole."
1148097;1432952397;mircea_popescu;o.O
1148098;1432952402;asciilifeform;in other news:
1148099;1432952403;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/crate.jpg
1148100;1432952463;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence
1148101;1432952463;mircea_popescu;i like qntra.
1148102;1432952490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ?
1148103;1432952498;williamdunne;qntra is good
1148104;1432952500;BingoBoingo;It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again.
1148105;1432952517;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is that the other kind of board?
1148106;1432952518;mircea_popescu;"If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords."
1148107;1432952521;decimation;50 years is less than life
1148108;1432952523;mircea_popescu;should bne interesting to see irl.
1148109;1432952539;decimation;apparently mr. silk road should have just beheaded random women
1148110;1432952551;mircea_popescu;decimation too late for him
1148111;1432952570;mircea_popescu;apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service.
1148112;1432952576;BingoBoingo;decimation: Nah, known women. Known is a mitigating circumstance
1148113;1432952594;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak
1148114;1432952594;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
1148115;1432952622;decimation;asciilifeform: how to replace?  .conf with ips?
1148116;1432952624;asciilifeform;and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd.
1148117;1432952653;asciilifeform;(or not, and pass seed ip on commandline as discussed in old thread)
1148118;1432952664;BingoBoingo;<decimation> 50 years is less than life << This kinda depends on the age of the person at time of sentencing
1148119;1432952697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nb.
1148120;1432952730;decimation;asciilifeform: and then discover peers by asking the seed about his connections?
1148121;1432952876;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz
1148122;1432952876;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
1148123;1432952886;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/604474262259265536
1148124;1432952904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, privacy is overrated. especially in old age.
1148125;1432952920;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily
1148126;1432952980;mircea_popescu;!up baghodler
1148127;1432952980;mircea_popescu;trinque aha!
1148128;1432952980;trinque;one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer"
1148129;1432952980;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147996 << he fell from grace. let me know when buffet, musk, gates, thiel - starve.
1148130;1432952980;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
1148131;1432952980;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo thats a point.
1148132;1432952980;trinque;great comic too
1148133;1432952998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what grace is this ?
1148134;1432953021;mircea_popescu;note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive.
1148135;1432953056;williamdunne;mm asslag again
1148136;1432953061;williamdunne;Guessing its freenode servers
1148137;1432953148;decimation;it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law
1148138;1432953156;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148054 << with or without my two skull'n'crossbone patches ?
1148139;1432953156;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 01:44:59; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up
1148140;1432953304;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't.
1148141;1432953324;danielpbarron;without
1148142;1432953374;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? << next best thing. sealed sony trinitron, of what i think is the largest 4:3 size that was made.
1148143;1432953395;BingoBoingo;Nice
1148144;1432953406;asciilifeform;GDM-5402
1148145;1432953439;decimation;I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day
1148146;1432953443;decimation;took to the dump a few years ago
1148147;1432953448;BingoBoingo;First stint of grad school I was so pissed when fucking druggy never returned my 9" trinitron
1148148;1432953456;asciilifeform;2048X1536@75Hz, 1600x1280@96Hz
1148149;1432953502;cazalla;144hz master race
1148150;1432953505;decimation;thing was a heavy bastard
1148151;1432953523;asciilifeform;this one is ~40kg
1148152;1432953541;decimation;I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical
1148153;1432953546;asciilifeform;rather like the identical but aged, dim unit i have already on other desk
1148154;1432953565;asciilifeform;decimation: they did until very recently
1148155;1432953573;asciilifeform;(they do not, as we all know, last forever)
1148156;1432953575;*;BingoBoingo had a nice 9" trinitron rf signal display machine with integrated optical disk player. A historical, more trusting Bingo loaned it to a neighbor and gone.
1148157;1432953580;decimation;I suppose lcds are getting better w.r.t. contrast
1148158;1432953586;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable
1148159;1432953595;*;asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens
1148160;1432953606;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not at all, but compared to cheap LED's
1148161;1432953615;BingoBoingo;*LCD's
1148162;1432953627;decimation;thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy
1148163;1432953644;asciilifeform;decimation: remember the knock-offs without the guidewires ?
1148164;1432953648;decimation;heh yeah
1148165;1432953652;decimation;was always easy to tell
1148166;1432953689;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded...
1148167;1432953723;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/qntra/status/604477372625068033
1148168;1432953828;decimation;yeah I remember playing nintendo on an ntsc trinitron, was better than random shit tv
1148169;1432953905;BingoBoingo;Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory
1148170;1432953948;asciilifeform;thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's
1148171;1432953954;asciilifeform;but not sure if house wiring can handle it
1148172;1432953969;decimation;heh.  I don't think they take that much power do they?
1148173;1432953976;asciilifeform;or whether my desk will auger in
1148174;1432953995;decimation;I guess 200 watts
1148175;1432954003;decimation;yeah that's probably the first thing to fail
1148176;1432954014;decimation;heh 70 lbs
1148177;1432954015;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> or whether my desk will auger in << What else are the studs in the walls for if not bearing weight?
1148178;1432954024;asciilifeform;my doubleconverter ups would probably catch fire
1148179;1432954037;asciilifeform;it's already at ~70% load
1148180;1432954077;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this hovel, interestingly, has steel frame. first time i lived in such a thing. a real bitch to hang up anything in
1148181;1432954110;asciilifeform;the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one
1148182;1432954171;BingoBoingo;Amazing. So you actually do have a frame that can handle pretty much whatever weight UPS packages can throw at it without bumping your shit down to "freight" treatment.
1148183;1432954171;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1148184;1432954185;BingoBoingo;^lol labcoin reference
1148185;1432954203;asciilifeform;wai wat
1148186;1432954262;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2013#296505
1148187;1432954262;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2013 19:00:25; kakobrekla: amazing company
1148188;1432954276;decimation;asciilifeform: actually this is probably a good faraday cage for low frequencies
1148189;1432954281;decimation;your steel frame walls
1148190;1432954310;BingoBoingo;decimation: I doubt he's as worried about submarines listening as... vans
1148191;1432954993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00031976 = 14.9808 BTC [-] {2} 
1148192;1432955089;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.felipelalli.2:20778d891b1ba5e5a1a3a10728673c4f2804e99d0b8801794a2846a253ccebba
1148193;1432955089;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for felipelalli from 1 to 2 with note: enthusiastic aspiring writer
1148194;1432955351;felipelalli;thank you danielpbarron!
1148195;1432955499;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1148196;1432955503;gribble;Current Blocks: 358608 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47477961159.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.72402
1148197;1432955611;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvOcII_KT8
1148198;1432955671;decimation;whatever clicked on apparently clicked off
1148199;1432955730;asciilifeform;decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only
1148200;1432955876;mircea_popescu;maybe it was just noise.
1148201;1432955956;asciilifeform;gentlemen! anyone else play with my patches from last night ?
1148202;1432955972;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform> decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only << But if you replaced the drywall with classically done plaster...
1148203;1432956008;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time
1148204;1432956052;asciilifeform;imho the preoccupation with man-sized faraday cages is a classic usg idiocy
1148205;1432956059;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time << might as well look it up nao while waiting waiting for 1nd and third opinions on the orphan slaughter
1148206;1432956060;asciilifeform;plugging the wrong end of the funnel as always
1148207;1432956096;asciilifeform;last i heard, they had a mobile one made for the fuhrer himself
1148208;1432956113;asciilifeform;which he has to step out of every time he wants to check main on his iPnohe
1148209;1432956118;asciilifeform;*mail
1148210;1432956230;asciilifeform;!up RUchimp
1148211;1432956245;RUchimp;No need to voice, just gonna idle and see whats goin on.
1148212;1432956262;asciilifeform;RUchimp: consider reading the log on www
1148213;1432956270;asciilifeform;RUchimp: log.bitcoin-assets.com
1148214;1432956289;decimation;asciilifeform: did you see this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/28/avago_broadcom/
1148215;1432956349;BingoBoingo;RUchimp: Introductions never hurt
1148216;1432956349;decimation;avago is probably going to slice and dice broadcom, sell off peices
1148217;1432956358;asciilifeform;if broadcom were hit by plague or asteroids, i'm not certain that i would notice or care
1148218;1432956363;asciilifeform;and would certainly shed not one tear.
1148219;1432956373;asciilifeform;unfortunately, their products will remain with us.
1148220;1432956400;decimation;heh yeah agreed
1148221;1432956421;RUchimp;\Sorry, using a different handle
1148222;1432956440;decimation;interestingly it was acquired by the former hp semiconductor division based in singapore, run by chinese
1148223;1432956482;decimation;asciilifeform: also related http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/business/dealbook/intel-takeover-of-altera-is-expected.html
1148224;1432956542;decimation;intel is gonna buy altera, after minting their chips for years
1148225;1432956542;*;asciilifeform waits for cocacola to buy pepsi
1148226;1432956542;decimation;heh
1148227;1432956555;decimation;more like pepsi being bought by its combined bottlers
1148228;1432956566;asciilifeform;the not-so-secret here is that intel wants to bake fpga directly on x86 die
1148229;1432956569;asciilifeform;for the usg market
1148230;1432956581;asciilifeform;which orbits around deep-packet shenanigans and likes fpga
1148231;1432956590;decimation;sure
1148232;1432956594;asciilifeform;and infinite money
1148233;1432956603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8982 @ 0.00033584 = 3.0165 BTC [+]
1148234;1432956612;decimation;but what's the probability that intel can deliver this functionality with non-retarded tools?
1148235;1432956639;asciilifeform;decimation: there is no question of non-retarded tools. in so far as is known, intel's entire toolchain is winblows
1148236;1432956667;asciilifeform;even their joke of an 'open' bios is built in vs, with megs (yes) of .bat script as build chain
1148237;1432956685;asciilifeform;at any rate, this product is 'not for people'
1148238;1432956724;decimation;also note that this is a tacit admission by intel that they can mint lots of transistors but have no idea how their customers want the transistors to be arranged
1148239;1432956757;asciilifeform;afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked
1148240;1432956787;decimation;yeah they keep trying to make mobile shit
1148241;1432956843;decimation;the writing on the wall is that the xeon stuff isn't gonna keep making money forever, especially when intel can only deliever 20% improvement per 5 years
1148242;1432956886;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche.
1148243;1432957073;decimation;umm, where are amd netbooks?
1148244;1432957085;decimation;netbook died because it cut out profits for everyone
1148245;1432957110;decimation;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/tisa-yet-another-leaked-treaty-youve-never-heard-makes-secret-rules-internet/ < "But the latest leak has revealed more. The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates"
1148246;1432957170;*;asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard
1148247;1432957170;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah but did you notice that the tablets that 'replaced' the netbook have less functionality?
1148248;1432957182;asciilifeform;naturally
1148249;1432957193;decimation;and cost twice as much
1148250;1432957589;trinque;https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/tech-tips-and-tricks/streaming-tv-shows.html << this was a particularly weird market for intel to get into, afaik nothing has come of it
1148251;1432957649;trinque;hm that one doesn't describe exactly what I was looking for
1148252;1432957649;trinque;I recall Intel saying they were going to make their own streaming service
1148253;1432957680;trinque;http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/27/intels-planned-streaming-tv-service-is-stalling-hard/
1148254;1432957740;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard << Life for it I saw on campuses was people who wanted laptop, but didn't want to carry a laptop. Same people the next years I saw with heavier tablet/keyboard combos
1148255;1432957775;trinque;http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/01/21/verizon-to-purchase-intel-media-assets << bahahaha
1148256;1432957883;BingoBoingo;netbook as notetaking machine was a solid niche
1148257;1432957934;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the crapification of 'netbook' stands out in clear, cartoon colours when compared with something like the 1997-1999 toshiba 'libretto'
1148258;1432957960;BingoBoingo;yeah
1148259;1432957960;asciilifeform;machine in all respects similar, but with decent keyboard and sans the 'disposable' chinese plastic feel
1148260;1432957965;trinque;asciilifeform: apparently now refers to a tablet monstrosity http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/libretto
1148261;1432958025;asciilifeform;all models after '110ct' were halfway to the kind of garbage now familiar as 'netbook'
1148262;1432958025;danielpbarron;http://www.heca.be/museum/A_Portege610CT.jpg << i used one of these things with debian
1148263;1432958085;asciilifeform;^ that's an ordinary laptop
1148264;1432958086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61950 @ 0.00033467 = 20.7328 BTC [-] {3} 
1148265;1432958187;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah where are modern 'librettos' or hp lx200s?
1148266;1432958213;asciilifeform;decimation: in the same place as modern lisp machine
1148267;1432958222;decimation;or a portable machine with error correcting memory?
1148268;1432958251;asciilifeform;nowhere, unless mircea_popescu had one hand-soldered for his use by pretty gurlz
1148269;1432958268;mircea_popescu;laptocks sup.
1148270;1432958323;asciilifeform;!b 3
1148271;1432958323;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EFW6G6.txt )
1148272;1432958355;decimation;mircea_popescu: why is a laptop worse than a standard workstation console?
1148273;1432958367;decimation;other than the obvious ergonomic issues
1148274;1432958386;asciilifeform;why is a pine stake worse than a bar stool?
1148275;1432958387;mircea_popescu;othar than ?
1148276;1432958389;asciilifeform;other than the ergonomic issues
1148277;1432958391;mircea_popescu;;;google laptop si oo coapte
1148278;1432958392;gribble;Istanbul selamlar! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/istanbul-selamlar>; Copilaria anilor `80 - inceputul anilor `90 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8RgzvzwlVQ>; Cozonac Rosenkrantz - Retete Aluaturi dulci - Gastronomie online ...: <http://gourmandine.ro/retete-aluaturi-dulci/cozonac-rosenkrantz/>
1148279;1432958399;mircea_popescu;google, you suck.
1148280;1432958419;mircea_popescu;decimation the notion of carrying a portable cooker in your lap as a male should be pretty self-defeating
1148281;1432958423;decimation;yes, but in exchange for poor posture, you gain 'can carry with luggage'
1148282;1432958439;decimation;mircea_popescu: of course, don't rest it on your balls
1148283;1432958443;mircea_popescu;because what, i'm the servant, and gotta make do with whatever ?
1148284;1432958443;trinque;lol I try to keep the thing away from the balls
1148285;1432958446;mircea_popescu;luggage is what i say it is
1148286;1432958452;mircea_popescu;not what some clerk somewhere feels like lifting up
1148287;1432958455;asciilifeform;e.g. trinitron
1148288;1432958503;asciilifeform;(what do you do when clerk drops the trinitron ?)
1148289;1432958513;mircea_popescu;but all this aside, not that more's needed : i never bought a premade computer in my lyf.
1148290;1432958516;asciilifeform;charge the airline what it'd cost to blow a new one ?
1148291;1432958517;mircea_popescu;i don't see why i would, either.
1148292;1432958518;decimation;or you want information in your console while in transit
1148293;1432958548;decimation;that's a better argument, but still lame given that most computing components use close designs; firmware
1148294;1432958565;decimation;in fact, why not use a stallman 'libreboot' laptop?
1148295;1432958568;mircea_popescu;by this reason, since all humans use closed designs, there's no benefit to accounting
1148296;1432958569;mircea_popescu;cmon.
1148297;1432958574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116553 @ 0.00033976 = 39.6 BTC [+] {4} 
1148298;1432958576;mircea_popescu;the fact that i decide the matches is actually sufficient.
1148299;1432958596;cazalla;http://dpaste.com/28TJGEE.txt interest part of an aussie article
1148300;1432958656;cazalla;interesting even
1148301;1432958656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article.
1148302;1432958656;mircea_popescu;i thought it was written
1148303;1432958656;asciilifeform;not afaik
1148304;1432958656;asciilifeform;iirc it exists as two sentences in an old mircea_popescu piece, and several dozen lines of log here
1148305;1432958698;decimation;!s diddling
1148306;1432958699;assbot;70 results for 'diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=diddling
1148307;1432958699;mircea_popescu;well then go for it!
1148308;1432958724;trinque;^ I'd have expected far more
1148309;1432958734;*;asciilifeform shiva hands full, will be writing broadcast -and- testing 32 rng units this weekend
1148310;1432958764;trinque;any idea what a cardano might cost yet?
1148311;1432958767;decimation;asciilifeform: I certainly understanding that having firmware in hand is not a full defense against diddling, but it is a strong start
1148312;1432958856;asciilifeform;trinque: as a rough guide, expect it to cost around what your computer cost.
1148313;1432958900;asciilifeform;(deliberately roomy set of bounds here, yes)
1148314;1432958913;trinque;yep
1148315;1432958926;decimation;raspberry pi or xeon server?
1148316;1432958934;trinque;as the thing has no real alternative.. should command a price that reflects it
1148317;1432958957;asciilifeform;trinque: understand that the first crate will be given to mircea_popescu, who has the unenviable chore of deciding precisely what to do with it
1148318;1432958967;trinque;ah k
1148319;1432959011;mircea_popescu;i've had worse.
1148320;1432959025;*;asciilifeform tries to picture this 'worse'
1148321;1432959029;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what are we looking at here, product available by autumn ?
1148322;1432959086;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if our manufacturing phriends continue their good work, then very much so. incidentally i am in the process of investigating a possible alternative firm
1148323;1432959088;asciilifeform;just in case.
1148324;1432959100;mircea_popescu;cool.
1148325;1432959171;*;asciilifeform really wishes presently that someone might fix the engine in therealbitcoin train, because presently it appears to only move when i push it
1148326;1432959262;asciilifeform;for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ?
1148327;1432959278;asciilifeform;it is necessary for, e.g., pogo
1148328;1432959290;asciilifeform;and overall retardation removal
1148329;1432959326;mircea_popescu;lol conductor's fallacy eh.
1148330;1432959353;asciilifeform;?
1148331;1432959642;mircea_popescu;jurov's trying to get you folks to stop ruining his mailer an mod6's been profiling to quote jus' off top of head
1148332;1432959776;cazalla;how's this.. muh bank uses this select 3 icons from 9 icons as 2FA when logging in except they've recently changed all the icons except the 3 i use to login
1148333;1432959808;trinque;probably did that for everbody, and made some distinction about "legacy" icons or some nonsense
1148334;1432959885;trinque;re: bitcoind thread, I'm a hair above useless in C++, and also swapping heavily; however, maybe a page on the foundation site for available missions might help?
1148335;1432959887;mircea_popescu;lulzy
1148336;1432959916;trinque;as somebody who might have an afternoon here or there, that plus the right sequence of patches to get to whatever the present state is would help me contribute time efficiently
1148337;1432959926;mircea_popescu;trinque it's a republic not a corporation, ppls are supposed to pick up stuff they're good at and a good fit for
1148338;1432959970;mircea_popescu;corporation is "gotta give everyone something to fill their company hours with"
1148339;1432959977;asciilifeform;l0l
1148340;1432959979;trinque;yeah, that makes sense
1148341;1432960018;*;asciilifeform fondling argentine 100 peso banknote in left hand, notices mention of 'social justice' on one side
1148342;1432960119;trinque;probably no easy way to make the deturding casual side-work
1148343;1432960144;asciilifeform;l0l what do you suppose it is for me
1148344;1432960153;trinque;hey man, you lamented the lack of hands
1148345;1432960166;trinque;I suspect we all have to eat
1148346;1432960180;trinque;however, when the republic starts its first software company give me a holler :D
1148347;1432960194;asciilifeform;eh you need money for that
1148348;1432960200;trinque;actually, I guess the ministry of games takes that cake
1148349;1432960210;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform el minimo respeto!
1148350;1432960224;*;asciilifeform falls d0wn
1148351;1432960250;mircea_popescu;trinque speaking of which, game got icons! for all the... 1k!!11 items involved.
1148352;1432960254;mircea_popescu;and player models.
1148353;1432960255;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1148354;1432960259;trinque;nice
1148355;1432960270;trinque;I downloaded it for to be checking out maybe this weekend
1148356;1432960277;mircea_popescu;nah not released yet.
1148357;1432960281;trinque;ah ok
1148358;1432960288;mircea_popescu;that's an old version, 0.1 will be coming out!
1148359;1432960288;trinque;found a link somewheres
1148360;1432960292;trinque;sweet!
1148361;1432960321;mircea_popescu;currently it's 0.0.4 iirc
1148362;1432961839;decimation;!up liquidassets
1148363;1432961978;liquidassets;Can't wait to lose the chaff when they go on their fork
1148364;1432962039;liquidassets;https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/how-the-great-fork-will-occur-160f0e462371
1148365;1432962711;danielpbarron;liquidassets, nice work
1148366;1432962815;liquidassets;I'm mostly spectator for now
1148367;1432962823;liquidassets;but it's interesting to watch
1148368;1432962841;liquidassets;plenty of skin in the game..
1148369;1432962860;liquidassets;you know what this world lacks? at least the world I've grown up in..?
1148370;1432962870;liquidassets;discernment
1148371;1432962893;liquidassets;no one knows who the fuck knows what they're actually talking about
1148372;1432962930;liquidassets;no one knows how to shut their mouth, put their head down, and follow.
1148373;1432962974;danielpbarron;speaking of which, get in the WoT
1148374;1432962987;liquidassets;Or discern what is what or who is real
1148375;1432963408;mircea_popescu;liquidassets who're you ?
1148376;1432963439;liquidassets;mirchea_popescu: right here
1148377;1432963465;liquidassets;ok..uncloaked this time again..unsure about my gpg skills
1148378;1432963519;liquidassets;I always seem to lose the ability to log on..seems I have the best luck with the link to irc #b-a from the mainpage
1148379;1432963552;liquidassets;but have had a terrible time using colloquy from my desktop
1148380;1432963605;mircea_popescu;;;google colloquy
1148381;1432963606;gribble;Colloquy: IRC, SILC & ICB Client: <http://colloquy.info/>; COLLOQUY | Loyalty Talks: <https://www.colloquy.com/>; Colloquy | Definition of colloquy by Merriam-Webster: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colloquy>
1148382;1432963624;liquidassets;ok, here goes: newb me..liquidassets this time
1148383;1432963627;mircea_popescu;i think everyone here uses xchat or irssi
1148384;1432963724;mircea_popescu;!up liquidassets
1148385;1432963864;danielpbarron;handle 20 MB blocks right now.
1148386;1432963870;danielpbarron;do support bigger blocks and sooner rather than later. But we cannot
1148387;1432963894;danielpbarron;http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34157036/ >> Hello. I am from F2Pool. We are currently mining the biggest blocks on the network. So far top 100 biggest bitcoin blocks are all from us. We
1148388;1432964214;decimation;pete_dushenski: are you still in der Schweiz?
1148389;1432964251;liquidassets;fuck yeah Pete's here
1148390;1432964336;liquidassets;pete_dushenski: I remember when I beat you 15-0: 15-0 weren't you at that Vancouver tournament?
1148391;1432964410;danielpbarron;!up pete_dushenski
1148392;1432964418;pete_dushenski;thx dan !
1148393;1432964424;pete_dushenski;liquidassets eh ?
1148394;1432964451;pete_dushenski;i'm guessing you mean badminton, but i don't recall having ever played in vancouver
1148395;1432964457;liquidassets;Heh he, so you remember then
1148396;1432964461;pete_dushenski;not that i was never bagelled.
1148397;1432964473;liquidassets;okay maybe you got a few points
1148398;1432964494;pete_dushenski;liquidassets would i remember your irl name ?
1148399;1432964510;liquidassets;Looks like you do..?
1148400;1432964527;pete_dushenski;lol nope.
1148401;1432964558;liquidassets;oh nvrmind dan p..
1148402;1432964595;pete_dushenski;i played tournies in montreal, winnipeg, saskatoon, calgary, edmonton... and golf tournaments in victoria... but i really dun think i played badminton in vancouver.
1148403;1432964615;liquidassets;hmm maybe not, but you look pretty familiar, I'm almost certain we were at a few of the same tourneys
1148404;1432964648;liquidassets;I've played in Montreal and Calgary if I remember correctly, I know for sure I was in Quebec
1148405;1432964676;liquidassets;we're talking 96' maybe..
1148406;1432964707;pete_dushenski;then you're mistaken, my man.
1148407;1432964713;pete_dushenski;i was playing 5-10 years later.
1148408;1432964789;liquidassets;did you start later?
1148409;1432964803;pete_dushenski;decimation yup, au lausanne aujourd'hui
1148410;1432964811;liquidassets;yeah I was done by 2000
1148411;1432964839;decimation;sounds like a nice place
1148412;1432964840;pete_dushenski;decimation finally get to lean on my french a bit !
1148413;1432964847;pete_dushenski;liquidassets later than what ?
1148414;1432964858;decimation;heh yeah isn't the north and central more german-speaking?
1148415;1432964860;pete_dushenski;2000 ? ya
1148416;1432964867;pete_dushenski;decimation mhm
1148417;1432964882;pete_dushenski;though in bern, everyone says "merci"
1148418;1432964888;pete_dushenski;instead of danke
1148419;1432964904;pete_dushenski;even though hardly anyone but bartenders speaks a lick of french
1148420;1432964954;pete_dushenski;liquidassets did you ever win any tournaments ?
1148421;1432965032;liquidassets;Any? sure
1148422;1432965059;pete_dushenski;such as ?
1148423;1432965077;liquidassets;I thought for sure we played doubles at some point. Haven't been into it for awhile
1148424;1432965117;liquidassets;no big tournaments..actually I won one mixed doubles international tournament. My partner I was set up with was from Taipei
1148425;1432965118;pete_dushenski;liquidassets well, the "p" surname doesn't really give me much to go on.
1148426;1432965146;liquidassets;you were talking to the other dan...
1148427;1432965218;pete_dushenski;when ? where ? be specific man. we don't have to dance around all day
1148428;1432965279;mircea_popescu;laters mob
1148429;1432965279;liquidassets;Manhattan Beach used to have an international badminton tournament every year
1148430;1432965333;pete_dushenski;adios mp !
1148431;1432965342;liquidassets;Canadians always made a showing, Peru, Argentina, Taipei, Jamaica..
1148432;1432965348;liquidassets;ever go to it?
1148433;1432965362;pete_dushenski;can't say i did.
1148434;1432965403;liquidassets;How far did you take it? Were you on a national team or did you just fuck around in high school?
1148435;1432965404;decimation;!up liquidassets
1148436;1432965408;decimation;!up pete_dushenski
1148437;1432965419;pete_dushenski;thx decimation
1148438;1432965427;decimation;np
1148439;1432965486;pete_dushenski;liquidassets played nationals 3 times, played club tournaments for 7-8 years, played college and won a few tournaments, won high school provincials
1148440;1432965662;pete_dushenski;"I know most blocks would not be 20 MB over night. But only if a small fraction of blocks more than 10 MB, it could dramatically increase of our orphan rate, result of higher fee
1148441;1432965662;pete_dushenski;to miners." << suck it, gavin.
1148442;1432965747;pete_dushenski;there's your consensus for you.
1148443;1432965766;pete_dushenski;there's your "community"
1148444;1432965788;pete_dushenski;that, a trillion sm accounts, and $5 buys you coffee
1148445;1432965821;liquidassets;pete_dushenski what game did you like better singles or doubles?
1148446;1432965845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00034188 = 17.3504 BTC [+] {2} 
1148447;1432965884;pete_dushenski;liquidassets i was always a better doubles player. i'm too big, too white, and my size 12s are too slow to compete in singles.
1148448;1432965906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00034311 = 8.2861 BTC [+]
1148449;1432965944;pete_dushenski;i was a strong defensive doubles player in my heyday.
1148450;1432965973;pete_dushenski;today, i'm in better physical shape and can play singles and offensive doubles just as well.
1148451;1432965999;liquidassets;Haha nice
1148452;1432966007;pete_dushenski;though my joints don't have the endurance to play 10 games in a day anymore so i just play for fun once a week or so.
1148453;1432966058;pete_dushenski;liquidassets were you more proficient at singles or doubles ?
1148454;1432966225;pete_dushenski;"A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out
1148455;1432966381;liquidassets;Doubles is more technical and more fun to play, by 16 I was hardly mediocre in singles at the international level
1148456;1432966564;pete_dushenski;notbad.
1148457;1432968163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00033261 = 13.0882 BTC [-] {2} 
1148458;1432969749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00033777 = 5.8772 BTC [+]
1148459;1432972250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15934 @ 0.00032933 = 5.2475 BTC [-]
1148460;1432975910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22808 @ 0.0003348 = 7.6361 BTC [+]
1148461;1432977205;mircea_popescu;on the topic of "the broken husk of a world the imbeciles born before us left behind", and the sacrifices ~IT~ must make to redeem itself and become acceptable for us, http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/#comment-114388
1148462;1432977265;mircea_popescu;chick has an excellent description (in her area of interest) that is not merely of the area in question, but of the world in general
1148463;1432977265;mircea_popescu;which is the common and imo sensible criterion to distinguish the artist from the common (wo)man : the world in a raindrop effect.
1148464;1432977631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33613 @ 0.0003348 = 11.2536 BTC [+]
1148465;1432977825;mircea_popescu;and in otherr news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/147ea479fbb07dce5fdc500b8e0466f2/tumblr_mlq5ceoTQT1qz8guyo1_500.gif
1148466;1432978800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00033135 = 3.349 BTC [-]
1148467;1432979227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19343 @ 0.00033135 = 6.4093 BTC [-]
1148468;1432979228;scoopbot_revived;OKCoin Ver Dispute Escalates http://qntra.net/2015/05/okcoin-ver-dispute-escalates/
1148469;1432979351;cazalla;that is probably the worst tumblr link i've yet to see in here
1148470;1432979404;mircea_popescu;cazalla nice.
1148471;1432979413;mircea_popescu;haha, why ?
1148472;1432979449;mircea_popescu;"raffic which is claimed by Zhang to be around 2500 unique visitors per day." lulziest part.
1148473;1432979581;cazalla;because not even samuel l jackson had that in mind when he said he eats everything
1148474;1432979627;cazalla;fuck, got my zhous and zhangs mixed up
1148475;1432979658;mircea_popescu;you never ate a chicks nose drool ?
1148476;1432979658;cazalla;these guys just moved on from alibaba to bitcoin it seems
1148477;1432979677;cazalla;not consciously but hey whatever pleases you
1148478;1432979698;cazalla;you do all sorts of crazy shit on that sherm eh
1148479;1432979711;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1148480;1432979731;cazalla;watched that last night, at least for the first time in full, not a bad movie
1148481;1432979752;mircea_popescu;true romance ? it's great, provided you have the director's cut
1148482;1432979789;mircea_popescu;what the studio released is piss. and the comparison an interesting exercise in how "management" can fuck up a movie even when having everything needed for greatness in a neat package.
1148483;1432979824;cazalla;well shit, i'm not sure which copy i have
1148484;1432979844;mircea_popescu;does it end with them on a beach ?
1148485;1432979852;cazalla;yeah, with a kid
1148486;1432979854;mircea_popescu;piss.
1148487;1432979924;cazalla;what's the difference, just the ending?
1148488;1432979982;mircea_popescu;some bits here and there, and the ending, yeah.
1148489;1432979996;mircea_popescu;but qt was fucking incensed at the time, and i agree he had a point.
1148490;1432980097;chetty;I been hearing an ad for a TV show ...Dark Web, apparently all about Silk Road
1148491;1432980138;cazalla;mr robot?
1148492;1432980149;cazalla;8chan.net/pol is pretty sure that one is about them
1148493;1432980173;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJNZF3LR0VM
1148494;1432980253;mircea_popescu;cazalla kinda what adolescents have been doing since forever, neh ? pick a movie/music video/whatevs and imagine it was "about them".
1148495;1432980416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00032933 = 19.8915 BTC [-]
1148496;1432980548;cazalla;well it wouldn't be the first time tv writers have use chans for story lines
1148497;1432980610;mircea_popescu;or vice-versa >D
1148498;1432980674;cazalla;yeah that too.. other idea is that the writers are shitposting about their show to drum up some viral marketing type shit knowing that /pol/ will and has run with it
1148499;1432980689;mircea_popescu;anyway, in fairness what i'm saying is that i don't believe that chan is impressive enough in bodycount to constitute a market anyone would wish to cater to, creating the tv version of hot topic, nor intellectually impressive enough to constitute anyone's thought leadership.
1148500;1432980696;mircea_popescu;but i could be wrong on either score, obviously.
1148501;1432980721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75700 @ 0.00032838 = 24.8584 BTC [-] {3} 
1148502;1432980745;mircea_popescu;if you feel like giving me a top 5 or whatever most relevant ideas coming out of /pol/ i'd read it.
1148503;1432980789;cazalla;5 might be a little tough
1148504;1432980827;mircea_popescu;i'll take anything.
1148505;1432980994;cazalla;well i guess the multi-culti immigration might be a start, not that i mind immigrants but i think they are somewhat right in that it undermines social trust in a community
1148506;1432981028;mircea_popescu;this is by no means a novel point, or all that aptly expressed there, is it ?
1148507;1432981102;cazalla;i just see my own anecdotes mirrored there.. grew up in a homogeneous society where everywhere knew everyone.. 25 years later that is no longer the case
1148508;1432981139;cazalla;but then the argument usually veers towards this being the fault of jews
1148509;1432981148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00032781 = 14.2925 BTC [-]
1148510;1432981153;cazalla;but then that is sorta like blacks blaming whites for their predicament
1148511;1432981180;mircea_popescu;well at least it's not blaming the freemasons.
1148512;1432981190;mircea_popescu;or loose women
1148513;1432981200;cazalla;they blame both of those too
1148514;1432981220;mircea_popescu;(actually, there IS a trend of angry older men trying to make these issues about "whores", but general social discourse's keeping them well repressed atm)
1148515;1432981226;mircea_popescu;ahga.
1148516;1432981267;cazalla;they blame loose women for the down fall of the family unit
1148517;1432981286;cazalla;don't get me wrong.. i like the idea of a strong family unit.. but i also like the idea of loose whores provided the strong family doesn't find out
1148518;1432981337;mircea_popescu;anyway i suspect there isn't a way out. historically, the "civilised world" was rich and powerful because it enjoyed a monopoly on trade, built out of scientific and military effort. the twerps in question, joe average, decided to quit supporting the industrial-military complex (chiefly because they got burned twice in 16-18 and then in 39-44, and it hurt badly, esp the 2nd time, and so it's understandable)
1148519;1432981349;mircea_popescu;as a result, it collapsed, and as a result there is absolutely no reason they should make more than a dollar a day.
1148520;1432981363;mircea_popescu;which is where everyone's headed, from alabama to tasmania.
1148521;1432981382;mircea_popescu;which i don't see any problem whatsoever with, but then again i'm privileged, or as alf put it, "rootless kosmopolitanski"
1148522;1432981383;cazalla;so i still read /pol/ daily but i can easily point out where i am hypocritcal on just about everything discussed there.. do as i say, not as i do sort of thing is really what it comes down to
1148523;1432981392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56036 @ 0.00033196 = 18.6017 BTC [+] {2} 
1148524;1432981453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14464 @ 0.00033814 = 4.8909 BTC [+] {2} 
1148525;1432981471;mircea_popescu;the question of "what exactly is so speshul about joe doe that he should live other than in a hovel like random nigerian" is paramount, and none of the anti-imigration types seem inclined to address it.
1148526;1432981476;mircea_popescu;so... why is he special ?
1148527;1432981517;mircea_popescu;once we get an answer to that we can start discussing how to oppress the nigerian again, at which point "immigration policy" may be on the agenda. not befoar.
1148528;1432981606;mircea_popescu;and the family unit is more of the same. why should 85% have any access to women at all, and why should the 1% not get 94% of all the pleasantly nubile stoyas out there, with the remainder 6% going to the 14% aspirational betas ?
1148529;1432981675;cazalla;well he's not special and in saying that, i'm not special, but i like but can't explain my desire of social cohesion, which is why i like the hitler videos with endless crowds
1148530;1432981698;mircea_popescu;that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.
1148531;1432981701;cazalla;i don't have egalitarian values so that the minority get the majority of anything does not bother me
1148532;1432981750;mircea_popescu;cazalla there is something to be said for social cohesion, the problem with it is that it tends to flow towards all-germany / all-russia sort of constructs.
1148533;1432981761;mircea_popescu;either trench warfare or "great leap forward" sorta crap.
1148534;1432981795;mircea_popescu;society (as an immanent beast in human affairs) is scared to death of it, these days. i can see why.
1148535;1432981810;mircea_popescu;i suspect for a while yet the only real social cohesion to be head will be in mmorpg raiding parties.
1148536;1432981815;mircea_popescu;had*
1148537;1432981872;mircea_popescu;previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow, which i find very weird.
1148538;1432981941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75007 @ 0.00032781 = 24.588 BTC [-]
1148539;1432981959;cazalla;i would guess because the last thing that matters is the music.. it's all seating arrangements etc now
1148540;1432982003;cazalla;tickets, cds, tshirts.. it's an expensive hobby these days
1148541;1432982089;mircea_popescu;maybe so
1148542;1432982099;cazalla;mmorpg raids is an interesting thought.. i wonder what race demos of that is
1148543;1432982117;mircea_popescu;i personally care a lot more about the fact that there are no movies/bands/anything worth going to see
1148544;1432982133;mircea_popescu;than the fact that some random immigrant's drooling over random 16yo neighbour.
1148545;1432982169;cazalla;my problem with immigrants is that i grew up knowing my neighbours, my community, it was homogeneous and everyone knew everyone (also was a small town)
1148546;1432982194;mircea_popescu;broadway's fucking dead, think about it - it was born out of the need to provide entertainment on the cheap for the hordes of stated insland escapees
1148547;1432982195;cazalla;in the suburbs just outside the city there is none of that and the idea that you know who lives around you is a foreign idea to everyone i've met down here
1148548;1432982202;mircea_popescu;and now... what ? da fuck does it do.
1148549;1432982275;mircea_popescu;cazalla well the idea of community based on geographic proximity / random accident like that is certainly taken a beating on account of the internets. used to be you had a shot at random neighouring cunt just on the grounds of being neighbouring, at some point.
1148550;1432982294;mircea_popescu;nowadays location's nigh on irrelevant.
1148551;1432982296;cazalla;yes i remember a trilema article along the lines of this
1148552;1432982319;cazalla;or maybe it was discussed in logs but made sense in any case
1148553;1432982325;mircea_popescu;prolly was.
1148554;1432982427;cazalla;pol also made it clear that prior generations always had one that came after it which was seen as worse than the one before it, at least until now
1148555;1432982444;mircea_popescu;not true.
1148556;1432982450;cazalla;it's sorta agreed there that this might be the first generation which is more of a pussy than the last
1148557;1432982452;mircea_popescu;human civilisation fails periodically.
1148558;1432982478;mircea_popescu;russia and central europe had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 90s.
1148559;1432982503;mircea_popescu;china had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 30s, that's what the entire revolution was about. china actually has lots of these.
1148560;1432982539;mircea_popescu;pick a country and i'll tell you at least one example.
1148561;1432982559;cazalla;i believe you, just sorta reveals the size of the timeline you and i think on
1148562;1432982568;mircea_popescu;austria had one during friedrich's reign and most of europe had one in the 1790s / 1800s
1148563;1432982574;cazalla;the world began in 1982, didn't ya know? :P
1148564;1432982579;mircea_popescu;ah, there is that.
1148565;1432982636;mircea_popescu;heck, woodstock is exactly this "you suck" moment of the us. much blander than historically the norm.
1148566;1432982710;mircea_popescu;(friedrich of teschen, for the readership. ww1 implosion)
1148567;1432983344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57799 @ 0.0003421 = 19.773 BTC [+] {4} 
1148568;1432984869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00034357 = 14.3956 BTC [+] {3} 
1148569;1432985296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137400 @ 0.00034518 = 47.4277 BTC [+] {2} 
1148570;1432986018;scoopbot_revived;Tiganii daca erau... http://trilema.com/2015/tiganii-daca-erau/
1148571;1432987346;mircea_popescu;incidentally re https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144 BingoBoingo danielpbarron or anyone still having a shitter acct : tell the girl i'm giving her 1 bitcoin and help her collect ?
1148572;1432987362;mircea_popescu;but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.
1148573;1432987614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00034537 = 16.8195 BTC [+] {2} 
1148574;1432988712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9577 @ 0.00034611 = 3.3147 BTC [+]
1148575;1432988899;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148454 << lol this should be fun to watch.
1148576;1432988899;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 06:10:25; pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out
1148577;1432989083;mircea_popescu;hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.
1148578;1432989145;*;mircea_popescu would like to see a pink wv beetle with an avenger gun mounted. 
1148579;1432989234;mircea_popescu;"it can do 0-100 in 27 seconds going forward on the engine and 0-100 in 0.5 seconds going backwards on the gun"
1148580;1432989581;cazalla;heh
1148581;1432989779;mircea_popescu;"it also can take out any police vehicle in one shot"
1148582;1432994690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32046 @ 0.00034611 = 11.0914 BTC [+]
1148583;1432994850;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Doing
1148584;1432994942;williamdunne;Done
1148585;1432996850;mircea_popescu;danke
1148586;1432996855;mircea_popescu;!up yang
1148587;1432996870;mircea_popescu;yang what is this fsf thing doing ? is it still even active ?
1148588;1432997004;punkman;http://sakurity.com/blog/2015/05/21/starbucks.html  probably how some of the 50% discount starbuck giftcards were created
1148589;1432997241;mircea_popescu;mthreat ^ :D
1148590;1432997374;mircea_popescu;punkman in any case, chasing around these idiots trying to help them is a stupid idea.
1148591;1432997390;mircea_popescu;take their money, let them come here and beg for getting it back.
1148592;1432997426;mircea_popescu;force them to have someone on 24/7 with a valid gpg sign, the works.
1148593;1432997432;mircea_popescu;respect is earned, at the point of a pointed stick.
1148594;1432997491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15184 @ 0.00034634 = 5.2588 BTC [+] {3} 
1148595;1432997744;punkman;I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies
1148596;1432997777;mircea_popescu;they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.
1148597;1432997781;mircea_popescu;perhaps overly optimistic.
1148598;1432997796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00034076 = 30.7706 BTC [-] {2} 
1148599;1432998156;punkman;best case you get $3.50, worst case you get sued/arrested. doesn't make much sense.
1148600;1432998318;williamdunne;A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness
1148601;1432999916;mircea_popescu;williamdunne none of these shits that figure they own the world.
1148602;1433000315;williamdunne;deedbot http://dpaste.com/16GTVPC.txt
1148603;1433000375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00034659 = 9.9818 BTC [+] {2} 
1148604;1433000375;williamdunne;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/16GTVPC.txt
1148605;1433000435;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1148606;1433001563;mircea_popescu;that's the most peculiar invoice i ever saw. yo udon't say who's invoicing, who's being invoiced, it references no contract, how's anyone to use that ? (not that it's any of my business)
1148607;1433001692;mircea_popescu;!rate deedbot- 1 trinque's notary bot.
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1148611;1433001900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57250 @ 0.0003467 = 19.8486 BTC [+] {2} 
1148612;1433002134;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Yeah, its fairly informal
1148613;1433002561;danielpbarron;!up t
1148614;1433002563;danielpbarron;!up rwg
1148615;1433003109;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147849 i don't see any "venting to the street there" it's supposed to hat the air indoors in winter
1148616;1433003109;assbot;Logged on 29-05-2015 23:23:02; assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
1148617;1433003149;jurov;*heat the air... and since it's needed only seasonally, it can be upgraded every summer, i suppose
1148618;1433003995;mod6;<+asciilifeform> for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ? << I was planning to test this on the gentoo box that I built, but it was AWS. I'm going to be picking up a cheap box this weekend to finish up the gentoo guide & then test how it compiles with uclibc afterward.  I'm putting in a line about it in the SoBA this month.
1148619;1433004161;mod6;And my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 237452
1148620;1433005926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210600 @ 0.00034101 = 71.8167 BTC [-] {4} 
1148621;1433006103;ben_vulpes;<mircea_popescu> [10:29] previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow << it mutated into the 'festival' circuit
1148622;1433006163;asciilifeform;jurov: the article specifically mentioned that the server runs continuously, but the house thermostat controls a selectable vent to the street (hence must be installed on an outer wall)
1148623;1433006637;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148530 << i don't remember the turks having had 'instagram' ...
1148624;1433006637;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 10:28:18; mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.
1148625;1433006774;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148572 << i somehow missed the explanation, if there ever was one, re: the how, what, and why of stoya
1148626;1433006774;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 12:02:42; mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.
1148627;1433006838;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148577 << what does mircea_popescu picture american shootouts being conducted with? panzerfaust ?
1148628;1433006838;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 12:31:23; mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.
1148629;1433006950;asciilifeform;'The unpleasant part is a guy from Starbucks calling me with nothing like �thanks� but mentioning �fraud� and �malicious actions� instead. Sweet!' << moral: sell it to spammers next time. for btc.
1148630;1433006962;asciilifeform;'give war a chance' (TM) (R)
1148631;1433007053;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148595 << actually i suspect i know why. they want to eat. (there is still a misguided notion floating around that 'disclosure' can get you hired as 'seekoority' business)
1148632;1433007053;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 14:55:44; punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies
1148633;1433007109;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148596 << except that they approximately don't exist. average schmuck knows of nothing like a reasonably safe way to monetize an 0day
1148634;1433007109;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 14:56:17; mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.
1148635;1433007145;asciilifeform;hell, i'm personally sitting on a stash of 0days that i can't do anything practical with.
1148636;1433007160;asciilifeform;and this is likely true for most folks who have even a passing interest in reversing
1148637;1433007190;asciilifeform;if you don't have an 'in' to the correct 'world', you're out in the cold.
1148638;1433007237;asciilifeform;can either publish, anonymously or jailably; or sit on it. those are the choices.
1148639;1433007345;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148600 << -nobody- pays anything like what the goods are worth in the underground.
1148640;1433007345;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 15:05:18; williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness
1148641;1433007366;asciilifeform;'bug bounties' are without exception - sad jokes
1148642;1433007534;asciilifeform;think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?
1148643;1433007586;asciilifeform;this sorta dovetails into mircea_popescu's 'schmucks can't own gold' article
1148644;1433007681;asciilifeform;see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'
1148645;1433007872;asciilifeform;back to the 0day thing - it is what is known as a 'tournament market.'
1148646;1433007893;asciilifeform;where folks sweat and kill themselves with digging for free, in hopes of getting a few crumbs from the master's table.
1148647;1433007934;asciilifeform;a select few have the meatwot to actually profit.
1148648;1433007946;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-03-2015#1064083
1148649;1433007946;assbot;Logged on 22-03-2015 16:53:09; assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
1148650;1433007963;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044115
1148651;1433007963;assbot;Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:25; mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
1148652;1433009403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00033725 = 24.6193 BTC [-] {3} 
1148653;1433009539;chetty; see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'//worthy action
1148654;1433009754;jurov;!up liquidassets
1148655;1433009782;liquidassets;gracias
1148656;1433011570;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/ulbricht-266.pdf << more ulbricht l0lz
1148657;1433012484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14018 @ 0.00034651 = 4.8574 BTC [+] {2} 
1148658;1433012545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25257 @ 0.00034732 = 8.7723 BTC [+] {2} 
1148659;1433012668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00033637 = 2.2369 BTC [-]
1148660;1433013029;jurov;http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/i-crashed-a-wall-street-secret-society.html?mid=facebook_nymag
1148661;1433013089;jurov;lulz
1148662;1433013333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83400 @ 0.00032856 = 27.4019 BTC [-] {2} 
1148663;1433013394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00033192 = 13.4262 BTC [+]
1148664;1433013767;mod6;ok, drove all over timbuktu and got a rebuilt pos box to test out this gentoo stuff.
1148665;1433013829;ben_vulpes;noice
1148666;1433013961;mod6;let's just hope that it gets the job done :]
1148667;1433013984;mod6;the scary thing is going to be my bill for aws in may
1148668;1433014145;ben_vulpes;those bandwidth charges, eh?
1148669;1433014183;mod6;yeah, used a lot of b/w, but also was running up to 3 different m3.mediums at some points.
1148670;1433014473;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes maybe, tho i kinda doubt it. you have any idea what an iron maiden / acdc / aerosmith thing was like ?
1148671;1433014489;mircea_popescu;100k fucken people. each town. european tour = 20, 30, 50mn sold tickets.
1148672;1433014509;nubbins`;;;later tell gabriel_laddel 남양주시, 경기도
1148673;1433014511;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1148674;1433014511;mod6;i'd have liked to see AC|DC back in the day
1148675;1433014520;nubbins`;just outside of seoul
1148676;1433014533;mod6;you are?
1148677;1433014536;nubbins`;was
1148678;1433014583;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's this scrawny serbian chick that has and prominently displays the correct female attitude.
1148679;1433014653;mircea_popescu;jurov the thing is based o nsomething like <1% service. if you imagine they can touch every item every year...
1148680;1433014655;mircea_popescu;that's bankruptcy.
1148681;1433014726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the turks had scheherezade nevertheless.
1148682;1433014732;mircea_popescu;how do you think gossip was born ?
1148683;1433014744;mircea_popescu;eastern societies' need to distribute the vicarious fucking.
1148684;1433014781;mircea_popescu;mod6 in the 80s sort of thig. yeah.
1148685;1433014788;mod6;yeah
1148686;1433014951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the alternative is, post it here, turn it into a weapon against the idiots that be.
1148687;1433014979;mircea_popescu;but what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue.
1148688;1433014980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39443 @ 0.00034821 = 13.7344 BTC [+] {2} 
1148689;1433015041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35157 @ 0.00035034 = 12.3169 BTC [+] {4} 
1148690;1433015109;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...  post it here, turn it into a weapon << as mircea_popescu well knows, weapons do not fight by themselves. (outside of norse legend)
1148691;1433015145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue << let's put it this way. my crops are worth more to me burned than given to kolhoz.
1148692;1433015156;asciilifeform;to friends - sure
1148693;1433015160;asciilifeform;to kolhoz - fuck'em
1148694;1433015168;mircea_popescu;that i can see.
1148695;1433015194;mircea_popescu;but the fetlife thing, for instance, is certainly intended as a standard.
1148696;1433015208;mircea_popescu;i don't need "to eat", certainly not from derpy canadian rottinculo
1148697;1433015220;mircea_popescu;and moreover, blowing a hole the size of their head in their arse is fun.
1148698;1433015221;mircea_popescu;so...
1148699;1433015649;hanbot;hey mircea_popescu check out the mp shrinery http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/realwork/EXPORT/projects/bitcoin/wikipedia/Mircea%20Popescu%20-%20Wikipedia,%20the%20free%20encyclopedia.html
1148700;1433015710;mircea_popescu;o.O
1148701;1433015775;*;asciilifeform rather happy that no one ever wrote a pediwankia page about -him-
1148702;1433015800;felipelalli;stolfi is a Brazilian very known bitcoin hater.
1148703;1433015814;mircea_popescu;the only thing in /wikipedia/ too
1148704;1433015828;asciilifeform;felipelalli: where in the standard taxonomy of 'bitcoin haters' does he fall ?
1148705;1433015837;felipelalli;asciilifeform: see his twitter: https://twitter.com/jorgestolfi
1148706;1433015897;asciilifeform;'there is only one gold-like element' << wai wat??!
1148707;1433015897;felipelalli;asciilifeform: he is a Computer Science professor, but he is a communist. He think makes no sense to invest into Bitcoin.
1148708;1433015946;felipelalli;His reddit: http://www.reddit.com/user/jstolfi
1148709;1433016006;asciilifeform;!s gallium
1148710;1433016007;assbot;25 results for 'gallium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gallium
1148711;1433016007;felipelalli;I don't know why he put the Mircea Popescu page in his personal website, but I did realize it before browsing on his page.
1148712;1433016024;asciilifeform;'validation cost scales as N^2' << wai wat
1148713;1433016058;felipelalli;lol
1148714;1433016067;mircea_popescu;he has a superficial understanding of some issues about at the level of a waiter overhearing a something awful buttcoin center meeting.
1148715;1433016084;mircea_popescu;then again, i suppose this is good for the third world.
1148716;1433016085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far i am not seeing even 'superficial level of understanding'
1148717;1433016102;mircea_popescu;your standards are too high.
1148718;1433016112;felipelalli;he has many Brazilians followers that support his hatery to Bitcoin. He dedicated his life to spread lies.
1148719;1433016153;mircea_popescu;he's in academia, whadda ya want.
1148720;1433016172;asciilifeform;it is not -strictly- necessary to be retarded to work there
1148721;1433016174;felipelalli;I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches.
1148722;1433016241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose defloration's also not strictly necessary to work at the brothel.
1148723;1433016250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00034541 = 4.7148 BTC [-]
1148724;1433016259;felipelalli;He says Bitcoin has a "fake scarcity" because there are shitcoins in the market! lol
1148725;1433016273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: given the world's apparent preoccupation with the bunghole, it is probably not in fact necessary...
1148726;1433016308;mircea_popescu;quite.
1148727;1433016341;mircea_popescu;felipelalli i don't think anyone seriously cares about this guy anymore than about the average forum lolcow.
1148728;1433016390;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://sourceforge.net/blog/gimp-win-project-wasnt-hijacked-just-abandoned
1148729;1433016450;asciilifeform;'Mirrored projects are sometimes used to deliver easy-to-decline third-party offers, and the original downloads are always available.'
1148730;1433016450;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: I agree with you.
1148731;1433016450;asciilifeform;^ 'sourceforge' replaces winblows exes with malware
1148732;1433016450;mircea_popescu;heh
1148733;1433016450;mircea_popescu;"tyhey're always available!111"
1148734;1433016450;asciilifeform;ahahahaha.
1148735;1433016454;felipelalli;!s bitcoinxt
1148736;1433016454;assbot;2 results for 'bitcoinxt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoinxt
1148737;1433017029;asciilifeform;http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-switzerland-privacy-concerns << l0l, zapo moves to nsaland
1148738;1433017149;mircea_popescu;eh, in their case it'd be a relevancy gain
1148739;1433017182;asciilifeform;http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bitcoinland-april-2015.png << 'let's pretend certain things don't exist, maybe they will vanish'
1148740;1433017242;mircea_popescu;hey, it worked with their sex drive...
1148741;1433017252;asciilifeform;what happened to their sex drive? bad blocks ?
1148742;1433017256;asciilifeform;head crash ?
1148743;1433017405;mircea_popescu;it went away
1148744;1433017913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00032781 = 19.2424 BTC [-]
1148745;1433018033;asciilifeform;!up referredbyloper
1148746;1433018769;trinque;asciilifeform: ^ I think this is one of the agents assigned to you.
1148747;1433018775;trinque;lurking silently
1148748;1433018805;*;asciilifeform can haz better clownz ?
1148749;1433018824;trinque;heh, no you get silent bob and meowmix
1148750;1433018834;asciilifeform;don't forget mr spam.
1148751;1433018841;trinque;ah yes
1148752;1433020285;jurov;1mpif
1148753;1433020290;jurov;!mpif
1148754;1433020291;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1148755;1433020300;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1148756;1433020300;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)
1148757;1433020597;BingoBoingo;<felipelalli> I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches. << Have you seen Animal House, may offer room for finding pride.
1148758;1433021051;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ud7KxL0u--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/q07zwqccwnzkinanp8bg.jpg
1148759;1433021504;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm a bit fuzzy on the rules of the game, but that's the fella who doesn't do any running, no ?
1148760;1433021837;trinque;as a nascent lisper, I run into so many 404s, or if lucky abandoned repositories
1148761;1433021843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00033515 = 11.4621 BTC [+]
1148762;1433021850;trinque;CLIM in particular seems to have fallen down the memory hole
1148763;1433021884;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I did not watch yet, do you recommend?
1148764;1433021907;asciilifeform;trinque: it didn't help that many clim folks were (are?) using $maxint commercial lisps
1148765;1433021922;trinque;ah I see, this is because of all the dead lisp companies?
1148766;1433021934;asciilifeform;trinque: oddly enough, the two firms in question are alive!
1148767;1433021947;asciilifeform;franz inc. and lispworks
1148768;1433021965;asciilifeform;if you have a spare 5-10k usd, can go play.
1148769;1433021969;trinque;ah ok, lol
1148770;1433021971;trinque;I do not
1148771;1433021998;*;trinque will play with sbcl and mcclim instead, and see if he can build a back-yard nuke
1148772;1433022125;trinque;this clim model where the UI doodads map directly onto data structures, and the whole thing's practically speaking a REPL with graphics capabilities... I love it
1148773;1433022145;trinque;have to find some way of making use of this stuff in real life
1148774;1433022201;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yeah. In that particular variant that guy doesn't have to run
1148775;1433022232;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: It is a great movie for people who need perspective on their higher education experiences
1148776;1433022845;jurov;!up referredbyloper
1148777;1433023734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46893 @ 0.00033482 = 15.7007 BTC [-] {2} 
1148778;1433024283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00033477 = 5.8417 BTC [-]
1148779;1433024920;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8EE2B12D71183AE76CC5958CFDF198F9C1F0D10BF65B1118F0A49CF04029B6E8 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63C1658E30A500296C4975B61649B3C3A9C860AC037AC97C845944B85F9F6126 and, wtf, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2DBF4B56A4C68D2C96B10DB9E60CE7D63A35FF1A8BAE1209E2408BE8D7B734F
1148780;1433025100;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1148781;1433027312;funkenstein_;fucking thank you mircea popescu for the story of joshua dratel
1148782;1433027388;funkenstein_;if you was a dwarf i would send thanks by sending my daughters over
1148783;1433027445;funkenstein_;but you'd have to escrow a tidy sum to allay my fears they come back shaven
1148784;1433028395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12567 @ 0.00033477 = 4.2071 BTC [-]
1148785;1433029065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139724 @ 0.00032564 = 45.4997 BTC [-] {4} 
1148786;1433029309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19182 @ 0.00033459 = 6.4181 BTC [+] {2} 
1148787;1433029370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39677 @ 0.00033938 = 13.4656 BTC [+] {3} 
1148788;1433030407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00032732 = 13.7802 BTC [-]
1148789;1433030712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29271 @ 0.00033841 = 9.9056 BTC [+]
1148790;1433032696;williamdunne;Anyone got some good reading material to suggest? Novels preferred
1148791;1433032910;asciilifeform;williamdunne: 'anathem' (neal stephenson)
1148792;1433032938;thestringpuller;snow crash is my favorite stephenson novel.
1148793;1433032950;thestringpuller;but alf was never a pizza delivery guy so he can't relate.
1148794;1433032969;asciilifeform;i was never the creatures pictured in 'anathem' either, l0l
1148795;1433032981;asciilifeform;(or was i...)
1148796;1433033002;williamdunne;Yeah okay that sounds pretty cool
1148797;1433033015;williamdunne;I'll give it a shot, thanks
1148798;1433033060;asciilifeform;it isn't really like anything else, not even other stephensons
1148799;1433033069;asciilifeform;some - love, some - hate.
1148800;1433034024;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Another usefull asciilifeform suggested reading is 'Wasp' I think it was our book club book a bit before you arrived
1148801;1433034045;williamdunne;Same guy?
1148802;1433034069;williamdunne;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_%28novel%29 ?
1148803;1433034617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00033283 = 30.0213 BTC [-] {2} 
1148804;1433035022;BingoBoingo;williamdunne: Yeah, there's a link to a pdf of it somewhere in here
1148805;1433035040;williamdunne;Can't stand reading off of screens, I'll order the paperback
1148806;1433035125;BingoBoingo;Ah, just figured with the drama and lulz recently people would be moving any spare fiat into Bitcoin. Drama is the closest thing Bitcoin has to a price signal.
1148807;1433035475;cazalla;https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/05/30/presidential-proclamation-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-pride-mon gee americans are fags
1148808;1433035589;cazalla;bah misread for 2015 for some reason but anyway
1148809;1433035751;decimation;cazalla: I think the truth is that fags run the tv/newspapers in the us
1148810;1433035755;decimation;so politicians pander
1148811;1433035762;decimation;plus they give big donations
1148812;1433035953;BingoBoingo;So neighborhood cat started its slaughter early tonight
1148813;1433036090;cazalla;give it a bowl of anti freeze
1148814;1433036139;BingoBoingo;As long as it keeps killing critters less desirable than itself it is fine
1148815;1433036146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15233 @ 0.00033298 = 5.0723 BTC [+]
1148816;1433036370;cazalla;BingoBoingo, you might enjoy this thread http://8ch.net/b/res/2913764.html
1148817;1433036430;*;asciilifeform would like cats even - especially - if they killed people
1148818;1433036436;BingoBoingo;nice
1148819;1433036504;BingoBoingo;Cats killing people would be a plus.
1148820;1433036750;williamdunne;I didn't know they could make people out of plasticine nao
1148821;1433036751;williamdunne;http://8ch.net/b/src/1433035560913-2.jpg
1148822;1433036848;cazalla;if i had to choose, i think i'd opt for the african african than american african
1148823;1433037024;decimation;asciilifeform: plenty of big cats can kill people
1148824;1433037177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45265 @ 0.00032767 = 14.832 BTC [-] {2} 
1148825;1433037208;asciilifeform;decimation: well yes
1148826;1433037387;decimation;felis domesticus is overpopulated anyway.  haven't you see bob barker?
1148827;1433037543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25185 @ 0.00032353 = 8.1481 BTC [-]
1148828;1433037679;decimation;asciilifeform: the rate of blockchain sync seems to go down when you get to block 220000 or so
1148829;1433037685;decimation;with the thermonuke patch applied
1148830;1433037694;asciilifeform;decimation: all thermonuke nodes will experience 'doldrums'
1148831;1433037699;asciilifeform;just as, i might add, ordinary ones
1148832;1433037708;decimation;it seems to trip on big piles of 'bastard blocks'
1148833;1433037715;asciilifeform;trip as in terminates ?
1148834;1433037734;asciilifeform;or fails to move for a day straight ?
1148835;1433037791;decimation;no it moves, but at a slower rate, maybe one block per 10-60 seconds
1148836;1433037807;asciilifeform;decimation: for how long did you observe this ?
1148837;1433037862;asciilifeform;(one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)
1148838;1433037892;decimation;I'm still observing it
1148839;1433037908;asciilifeform;yes, but how long has this particular node been stuck?
1148840;1433037922;asciilifeform;and has it reconnected to new peers? or pulling from one ?
1148841;1433038099;decimation;does the debug.log contain that kind of information?
1148842;1433038133;asciilifeform;aha
1148843;1433038140;asciilifeform;ought to be watching it, if running a node
1148844;1433038183;decimation;I don't see it.  do I need to run with -debug?
1148845;1433038186;asciilifeform;no
1148846;1433038196;asciilifeform;tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
1148847;1433038236;decimation;are those ip addresses in hex?
1148848;1433038306;decimation;I'm getting plenty of messages like: "ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2b75371e92 mapTransactions prev not found e5e2cf8270"
1148849;1433038323;asciilifeform;these are sop
1148850;1433038329;asciilifeform;and no, not ip
1148851;1433038332;decimation;I don't have a firewall port open, so everything has to be outgoing
1148852;1433038339;asciilifeform;familiarize yourself with an ordinary 0.5.3's output.
1148853;1433038388;mod6;speaking of sync'ing tests:  my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 256863
1148854;1433038565;decimation;the debug.log output isn't exactly very self-explanitory
1148855;1433038574;decimation;I'm going to have to spelunk the codebase more
1148856;1433038661;mod6;it doesn't hurt to run it in gdb either, putting break points at strategic places -- then you can watch it go through the entire process
1148857;1433038663;decimation;I jiggled the handle on the node's network connection and it seems to have forced the ratio of bastards/accepted lower
1148858;1433038735;decimation;in fact now I see no bastards.  let me look and see if I can point fingers at a particular node
1148859;1433038767;asciilifeform;decimation: in my experience, all such conditions have been transient.
1148860;1433038772;asciilifeform;though sometimes lasting up to an hour.
1148861;1433039464;ben_vulpes;have we done 20 meg bastard block accumulation yet?
1148862;1433039468;ben_vulpes;;;calc 20 * 700
1148863;1433039469;gribble;14000
1148864;1433039739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00032244 = 14.6871 BTC [-] {2} 
1148865;1433040059;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << notice anything ?
1148866;1433040120;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1148867;1433040583;BingoBoingo;That is just beautiful
1148868;1433040588;decimation;heh the pnSeed array is lulzy
1148869;1433040913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98550 @ 0.00033298 = 32.8152 BTC [+]
1148870;1433041314;decimation;it's amusing that satoshi re-implemented MFC classes in his little util.* stuff.  he was definitely a winblows VC++ guy
1148871;1433041324;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu the next screamingly obvious step is to catalogue 'liar keys' - the most interesting species of which consists of keys where the claimed fingerprint stored with a modulus differs from the recomputed (by us) fingerprint. as per http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-12.2
1148872;1433041384;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1148873;1433041435;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu this is yet another attribute of the animal we are hunting (the yet-undiscovered diddled pgp client.) almost certainly it shows the claimed fp rather than the actual.
1148874;1433041437;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1148875;1433041456;decimation;asciilifeform: why do the sks keyservers take the position that all crypto checks are 'up to the user'?  would you expect your router to check ip/tcp headers?
1148876;1433041474;asciilifeform;decimation: sks as presently running -does- check
1148877;1433041485;asciilifeform;it just doesn't do anything in particular with the info, other than displaying it
1148878;1433041489;decimation;heh
1148879;1433041520;decimation;imma clearly label the particles of shit in yer wine
1148880;1433041577;decimation;!s MFC
1148881;1433041580;assbot;22 results for 'MFC' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=MFC
1148882;1433042387;BingoBoingo;!up referredbyme
1148883;1433042406;cazalla;lol
1148884;1433042412;cazalla;it's all my free cams and me
1148885;1433042770;BingoBoingo;lol
1148886;1433042886;decimation;!up referredbyurmom
1148887;1433047992;decimation;asciilifeform: what confuses me is that the processblock messages absolutely come from a particular node
1148888;1433048022;decimation;but looking at my iptraf monitor, there are several nodes connected at once, and traffic seems to originate from a particular node in a somewhat random way
1148889;1433048054;decimation;so I don't understand how you could identify a particular 'bastard block' message as coming from a particular node without added debug statements
1148890;1433048704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8782 @ 0.00033296 = 2.9241 BTC [-]
1148891;1433048750;decimation;I added said debug and am gonna watch it overnight
1148892;1433053934;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/a/nJJCU/noscript
1148893;1433055188;BingoBoingo;Diabeetus https://i.imgur.com/0QljRfa.jpg
1148894;1433056590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93600 @ 0.00032681 = 30.5894 BTC [-]
1148895;1433057078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.0003191 = 19.7523 BTC [-]
1148896;1433059701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260100 @ 0.00031512 = 81.9627 BTC [-] {7} 
1148897;1433061775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00032246 = 4.4016 BTC [+]
1148898;1433063178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14660 @ 0.00032246 = 4.7273 BTC [+]
1148899;1433064069;BingoBoingo;!up gmaxwell
1148900;1433065558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.00031218 = 25.7549 BTC [-] {2} 
1148901;1433065986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111828 @ 0.00031011 = 34.679 BTC [-] {5} 
1148902;1433066075;cazalla;winter tmw :\
1148903;1433068059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00030791 = 12.8706 BTC [-]
1148904;1433069055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yep.
1148905;1433069706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230300 @ 0.00031052 = 71.5128 BTC [+] {4} 
1148906;1433071905;cazalla;http://rt.com/usa/263473-nyc-subway-manspreading-arrests/
1148907;1433072172;mircea_popescu;heh.
1148908;1433072185;mircea_popescu;the article misrepresents what's going on. this is quite likely "broken windows" ideology.
1148909;1433072192;mircea_popescu;apparently ny has a major problem with gangs.
1148910;1433072268;cazalla;"According to reports, the NYPD has allegedly issued more than 1,400 summons for manspreading this year"
1148911;1433072283;cazalla;that's some gang
1148912;1433072766;chetty;jeeze next they will arrest folks for taking up too much space cause they are fat ..hmm maybe not such a bad idea :P
1148913;1433073054;mircea_popescu;cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public,
1148914;1433073071;mircea_popescu;which makes the police become more aggressive which increases the perceived need of the plebs to act tough,
1148915;1433073078;mircea_popescu;which spirals into doom.
1148916;1433073104;mircea_popescu;by now everyone's a gang of one.
1148917;1433073136;cazalla;and the poor bastards just needed a bit of room for their balls
1148918;1433073139;mircea_popescu;which is a sad state of affairs given the history of new york
1148919;1433073168;mircea_popescu;that city exists primarily because of its renowedly incredible ability to diffuse social tension.
1148920;1433073179;cazalla;article mentions the homicide rate is up so that fits
1148921;1433073237;chetty;apparently its up all over the US, more evidence of social breakdown
1148922;1433073259;mircea_popescu;ability probably typified by  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9-rYBOS5w
1148923;1433073319;mircea_popescu;but nobody's going aaaaaaaa! anymore.
1148924;1433073458;mircea_popescu;in other news at 10mn hits / 7mn pages may 2015 stands as trilema's largest month. tananana.
1148925;1433073675;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148758 << da fuck is that omg.
1148926;1433073675;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 21:24:11; BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ud7KxL0u--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/q07zwqccwnzkinanp8bg.jpg
1148927;1433073765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148782 << there is a possibility that your daughters may have foond their way by themselves, especially if they be tall dwarvettes.
1148928;1433073765;assbot;Logged on 30-05-2015 23:09:48; funkenstein_: if you was a dwarf i would send thanks by sending my daughters over
1148929;1433073794;mircea_popescu;so take heart of ironwood my friendly lumberjack.
1148930;1433073981;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=joshua+dratel&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:w << and i see it as the 2nd result, too.
1148931;1433074080;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148790 << asylum, lol
1148932;1433074080;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 00:38:16; williamdunne: Anyone got some good reading material to suggest? Novels preferred
1148933;1433074119;cazalla;page 4 on down under google and with that, zzz
1148934;1433074149;mircea_popescu;nn
1148935;1433074269;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << i would like to see a patch which maintains VALUED list of other nodes.
1148936;1433074269;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 02:04:22; asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)
1148937;1433074291;mircea_popescu;with a time decay, with a penalty for sending bad blocks and a positive for sending good blocks at a good speed.
1148938;1433074376;mircea_popescu;say something like : every bad block received, -10 points. every minute where connection is kept at 80% of its allocated bw or over, 1 point. every hour score decays 1% towards 0, be it either positive or negative.
1148939;1433074459;mircea_popescu;then it could allocate 1/n of its available bandwidth to each available peer, and disconnect peer under a threshold
1148940;1433074529;mircea_popescu;ideally bw_threshold, dc_threshold, bad_block_penalty, per_minute_salary could all be settable via config file.
1148941;1433074651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/dupes << useful.
1148942;1433074713;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone had before a way to "check all the keys i've signed" on one page.
1148943;1433074773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60890 @ 0.00031795 = 19.36 BTC [+] {2} 
1148944;1433074811;mircea_popescu;can it somehow be structured to serve that purpose ? as a dump it's ok for now because it's short, but by the time the entire db is processed it will be a gb or some shit. maybe make it a list of entries of the format "name fragment", "first 32 characters in base 64'd modulus"
1148945;1433074832;mircea_popescu;where name fragment is a 32 character match across the users textfield
1148946;1433074931;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148870 << imagine that a windows user managed to pull a disappearing act.
1148947;1433074931;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 03:01:54; decimation: it's amusing that satoshi re-implemented MFC classes in his little util.* stuff.  he was definitely a winblows VC++ guy
1148948;1433074960;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148873 << for the record, i suspect these may well be two different items.
1148949;1433074960;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 03:03:55; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this is yet another attribute of the animal we are hunting (the yet-undiscovered diddled pgp client.) almost certainly it shows the claimed fp rather than the actual.
1148950;1433075014;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148879 << this is a complicated problem, in part because the spec isn't terribru good.
1148951;1433075014;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 03:05:20; decimation: imma clearly label the particles of shit in yer wine
1148952;1433075476;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1148953;1433075479;gribble;Current Blocks: 358801 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 46 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 43 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47427773469.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.82685
1148954;1433078494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79653 @ 0.00032505 = 25.8912 BTC [+] {2} 
1148955;1433078793;mircea_popescu;and the harmonic series has, of course, no closed form solution
1148956;1433078801;mircea_popescu;bloody fucking useless math of this world i swear.
1148957;1433078921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85925 @ 0.00032359 = 27.8045 BTC [-]
1148958;1433079302;fluffypony;oh mircea_popescu you're famouze
1148959;1433079308;mircea_popescu;i am ?
1148960;1433079309;fluffypony;and apparently Gavin can't spell your name
1148961;1433079310;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37xxmj/gavin_is_being_too_divisive_core_devs_need_to/crqsf4l?context=3
1148962;1433079370;fluffypony;"Mirceau Popescue"
1148963;1433079370;mircea_popescu;lmao
1148964;1433079370;mircea_popescu;what's with all the extra vowels people seem to need ? am i too swedish or something ?
1148965;1433079370;fluffypony;Haagen-Popescue
1148966;1433079370;mircea_popescu;hwrothwar hwrothwarsson ?
1148967;1433079385;fluffypony;lol
1148968;1433081488;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: Any pro tips for while I'm in Bucharest?
1148969;1433081553;mircea_popescu;don't use the scummy people trying to trick tourists into using their "cabs" at the airport ; insist the masseuse actually sucks you off ; avoid street food
1148970;1433081601;williamdunne;Actually on that note, and particularly good places to eat?
1148971;1433081684;mircea_popescu;i could never stand bucharest. i think i spent a total of a week there in my entire life. shittiest town in romania. so i really dunno.
1148972;1433081713;williamdunne;Ah, fair nuff
1148973;1433081725;mircea_popescu;you there on business or what ?
1148974;1433081731;williamdunne;mYeah
1148975;1433081751;mircea_popescu;then do what i always did, have locals pick
1148976;1433081784;mircea_popescu;it's not that decent and even excellent places don't exist - they certainly do. but romanians are unreliable and southerners are unreliable ^ 2, and so they keep changing.
1148977;1433081861;williamdunne;Kinda looking forward to it, only gonna be there for a few days though.
1148978;1433081939;mircea_popescu;the old town is not so bad.
1148979;1433081944;mircea_popescu;unfortunately, inhabited.
1148980;1433082067;williamdunne;Just did a google, yeah looks like there's some kinda cool architecture there
1148981;1433082142;fluffypony;[16:19:03]  <+mircea_popescu>unfortunately, inhabited. <- it's like what I say about America: beautiful country, the biggest problem with it are the Americans
1148982;1433082187;williamdunne;A country of that size can't exactly *not* have beautiful parts
1148983;1433082188;mircea_popescu;plebs infesting the world are the biggest problem everywhere pretty much, except china
1148984;1433082196;mircea_popescu;and even in china / se asia it's becoming an issue
1148985;1433082202;williamdunne;"Damn Scotts, they ruin Scottland"
1148986;1433082204;mircea_popescu;williamdunne sure, go to brasov :)
1148987;1433082220;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how about south africa ?
1148988;1433082238;fluffypony;so much space that you don't have to run into anyone :-P
1148989;1433082280;mircea_popescu;lol right.
1148990;1433082287;williamdunne;mircea_popescu: I'll see if I can. If I can convince someone to bugger off with me for the day I will, but only there for a few days :/
1148991;1433082347;*;williamdunne sees horde of 70,000 tourists preparing to descend upon fluffypony
1148992;1433082352;fluffypony;lol
1148993;1433082371;mircea_popescu;williamdunne only about 100 miles or so, shouldb't be more than a coupla hours.
1148994;1433082375;mircea_popescu;and you get to cross the mointains
1148995;1433082398;williamdunne;Guessing there's a train or summin?
1148996;1433082427;mircea_popescu;sure.
1148997;1433082573;williamdunne;If I do get there, anything in particular I should be doing?
1148998;1433082715;mircea_popescu;in brasov ?
1148999;1433082732;mircea_popescu;well check out piata sfatului, maybe go on the skylift thing
1149000;1433082813;mircea_popescu;sinaia (the old royal winter residence) is also nearby
1149001;1433082869;williamdunne;Sounds good to me, see if I can get that done the day before Prague
1149002;1433083871;williamdunne;More ponzi fail:
1149003;1433083871;williamdunne;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37ye6d/major_scammer_alert_cloudtd/
1149004;1433086576;williamdunne;Guessing bitbet.us is against the blocksize increase
1149005;1433087202;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148942 << not an accurate picture of what it is. what we have is a list of keys that share one or more public modulus. nothing to do with signatures
1149006;1433087202;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 12:18:33; mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone had before a way to "check all the keys i've signed" on one page.
1149007;1433087232;mircea_popescu;uh
1149008;1433087253;mircea_popescu;so how come jurov and old mpex keys are in there ?
1149009;1433087258;mircea_popescu;i assumed it was because he had signed them ?
1149010;1433087291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: old mpex is an easy one - not all of the moduli changed
1149011;1433087302;asciilifeform;(recall, there is no 'changing' on sks, only repeat upload)
1149012;1433087311;asciilifeform;as for jurov's - i have no idea
1149013;1433087399;mircea_popescu;this is fairly odd
1149014;1433087440;mircea_popescu;!up btcdrak
1149015;1433087497;asciilifeform;i thought of adding a download link on individual key pages, but then folks will be tempted to use phuctor as a key server
1149016;1433087503;asciilifeform;which is a microscope-hammer
1149017;1433087539;mircea_popescu;myeah
1149018;1433087713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0003275 = 1.965 BTC [+]
1149019;1433087787;*;asciilifeform presently contemplating the fact that sks appears to contain virtually no gurlz
1149020;1433087851;mircea_popescu;seks!
1149021;1433087867;asciilifeform;numerically, use of pgp is 'manlier' than drilling for oil...
1149022;1433088010;thestringpuller;wake up this morning and all I see in my BTC feed is derps talkinga bout hard-fork?!?
1149023;1433088106;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what if instead you found them speaking of sex with pigs? would it then also be a matter of interest ?
1149024;1433088276;asciilifeform;http://rt.com/news/220375-mexican-gangs-initiation-cannibalism << l0l!!! aztlan!
1149025;1433088336;thestringpuller;Then I would think I was legit in the twilight zone if i saw headlines like "Prime Minister of UK to have intercourse with female pig."
1149026;1433088346;thestringpuller;which was an episode of Black Mirror: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Anthem_%28Black_Mirror%29
1149027;1433088368;asciilifeform;male pig is sop in britain ?
1149028;1433088387;jurov;i have no idea why my keys are listed there, too. i have extended the expiration date of D0AEE7D7 few times, then removed expiration completely.
1149029;1433088402;asciilifeform;jurov: recall that nothing is ever removed from sks.
1149030;1433088484;asciilifeform;http://rt.com/news/262825-isis-sniper-rifle-photos << musket ?
1149031;1433088544;jurov;but periodical prolonging is normal course of events, even recommended to newbs, there should be many more such keys
1149032;1433088759;jurov;now, how one checks that: "Please make sure these are yours" ?
1149033;1433088766;asciilifeform;jurov: i think what mircea_popescu was asking was - how a mircea_popescu modulus ended up in a jurov key
1149034;1433088934;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37y8wm/list_of_bitcoin_services_that_supportoppose/ << civil war list. derps vs. the non-derps?
1149035;1433089266;jurov;i'm slow on uptake today.. exactly which keys share the moduli? and how can EDDF63E share more than 2 moduli with other keys?
1149036;1433089493;jurov;can anyone pls explain what is shown on http://nosuchlabs.com/dupes ?
1149037;1433090119;williamdunne;thestringpuller: Funnily enough, half of the derps in the derp list are d.somethings
1149038;1433090262;joecool;jurov: i think it's keys with multiple uid's?
1149039;1433090284;jurov;joecool: what do you mean_
1149040;1433090312;joecool;well i don't see any in there so far without a second uid on the keyserver
1149041;1433090398;joecool;oh nevermind i see what it is
1149042;1433090409;jurov;for example what exactly is 8C70D661E98EDAEABBA1064A5CC7C91AF270720114DAF220E1CB12334EDDF63E ????
1149043;1433090473;jurov;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8C70D661E98EDAEABBA1064A5CC7C91AF270720114DAF220E1CB12334EDDF63E lists me, mircea and bunch of unrelated people
1149044;1433090533;asciilifeform;joecool: keys with multiple uid's? << no
1149045;1433090533;joecool;asciilifeform: yeah i realized not now, i should have looked closer before answering
1149046;1433090554;asciilifeform;jurov: lists me, mircea and bunch of unrelated people << unfortunately i have not the faintest clue who created this key and why.
1149047;1433090563;asciilifeform;as far as i can see, it is harmless
1149048;1433090569;asciilifeform;but why does it exist? i do not know.
1149049;1433090611;jurov;how is it possible to create such key so that it has my factor in?
1149050;1433090651;asciilifeform;jurov: nothing was factored
1149051;1433090669;asciilifeform;jurov: but i can take any set of moduli and shoehorn them into a valid key, sure
1149052;1433090732;asciilifeform;the basic unit of pgptronics is the public modulus / exponent set, rather than 'key' - which is a fairly arbitrary collection thereof
1149053;1433090827;asciilifeform;jurov: now, how one checks that: "Please make sure these are yours" ? << i suppose this is when i explain -why- i wrote the 'dupes' feature to begin with.
1149054;1433090937;asciilifeform;the idea of phuctor is to detect duplicate privatekey material in use anywhere. the reuse of one particular divisor is only one possible scenario - it is also possible that a very ham-handedly sabotaged pgptron somewhere reuses a whole pair of factors - that is, two or more strangers may, somewhere, share an entire private key.
1149055;1433090984;asciilifeform;because said key was hardcoded in, or some schmuck had his seldom-used privkey substituted under his nose, or whatnot.
1149056;1433090999;asciilifeform;hence 'make sure these are yours'
1149057;1433091012;asciilifeform;if someone can suggest a better phrasing for this, please write in.
1149058;1433091269;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu paused pump, resumed werker. we have around 1/4 of the total rsa keys available submitted (or processed) at this point.
1149059;1433091270;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1149060;1433091366;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/wences/status/595768917907402752 << mega-l0l! wasn't this fella a chum of yours at one point? give him a thrashing ?
1149061;1433091368;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1149062;1433091598;jurov;asciilifeform: no i meant how do i check someone used my whole moduli vs. someone actually has one or both factors?
1149063;1433092140;asciilifeform;jurov: if someone has one factor, you would end up in http://nosuchlabs.com/phuctored
1149064;1433092200;asciilifeform;jurov: if someone is using both, you will end up in http://nosuchlabs.com/dupes - even though most dupes are harmless
1149065;1433092408;jurov;ok, thanks for explanation. i have not realized the difference between moduli and factors
1149066;1433092463;asciilifeform;beyond this, it helps to review how rsa works.
1149067;1433092670;jurov;yes, but gpg keys are not pure rsa
1149068;1433092710;asciilifeform;jurov: phuctor deals -only- with rsa moduli.
1149069;1433092725;asciilifeform;(key containing no rsa moduli will not be stored or processed)
1149070;1433092840;jurov;i mean there can be multiple rsa keys in one gpg key, no?
1149071;1433093031;jurov;like EDDF63E ... and looks like it was submitted to phuctor directly, i can't find it on sks keyserver
1149072;1433093112;jurov;is the original submission for EDDF63E available somewhere?
1149073;1433093437;asciilifeform;jurov: i suppose i will have to implement 'download key' button after all...
1149074;1433093467;asciilifeform;jurov: if you give me a permalink, i will pull it out of the db for you
1149075;1433093511;jurov;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8C70D661E98EDAEABBA1064A5CC7C91AF270720114DAF220E1CB12334EDDF63E << you mean this?
1149076;1433093660;asciilifeform;jurov: http://dpaste.com/1MV98N9.txt << here you go
1149077;1433093720;jurov;tyvm
1149078;1433093842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72443 @ 0.00032383 = 23.4592 BTC [-] {2} 
1149079;1433094635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.0003286 = 29.9683 BTC [+] {2} 
1149080;1433096210;ben_vulpes;http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html << merit washing plus "social science" leads to lulz in short order
1149081;1433096557;asciilifeform;'It�s the sort of brazen data fraud you just don�t see that often, especially in a journal like Science.' << this particular item from the gobbelsism toolbox needs a name
1149082;1433096565;asciilifeform;*goebbels
1149083;1433096595;asciilifeform;sorta like the very occasional corrupt dogcatcher they shoot in china
1149084;1433096674;asciilifeform;'see, the crown cares! the rare irregularities are dealt with! watch this impalement and move along now'
1149085;1433096874;asciilifeform;'This was a graduate student who successfully ran the gauntlet of the Princeton interview process with a publicly posted CV that contained wild falsehoods about his grant receipts ... ' << this is sorta like counterfeiting usd. when the counterfeiter-in-chief cranks up the press and doubles the toiletpaper in circulation, that is blessed by the crown. when some schmuck ? headzoff
1149086;1433096945;asciilifeform;'�My puzzlement now is, if he fabricated the data, surely he must have known that when people tried to replicate his study, they would fail to do so and the truth would come out,�' << l0l re: the obvious 'fnord' here
1149087;1433096976;asciilifeform;as if any of these gasbags ever seriously replicate anything
1149088;1433097021;mod6;Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 280995
1149089;1433097051;asciilifeform;mod6: neato
1149090;1433097126;mod6;meanwhile, I'm nearly there with this gentoo install on this pos box.  i did something funky i think, at the end of lastnight grub was screwed up. need to figure that out.
1149091;1433097291;asciilifeform;'the fraud could have been uncovered sooner, potentially forestalling a great deal of the disruption it inflicted on various careers and on social science as a whole.' << mega-l0l! as if any of the 'careers' built upon this or similar crocks of shit - other than the exemplary scapegoat's - will skip so much as one beat
1149092;1433097575;mod6;ah, up to 20 moduli broken now 'eh
1149093;1433097618;mod6;ah, and my key was re-tested
1149094;1433097635;mod6;ok, i see you fired up the werker, stopped the pump
1149095;1433098055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, whatever, random derp trying to sell books or whatever by "being controversial"
1149096;1433098058;mircea_popescu;not worth the time
1149097;1433098433;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149054 << the particular example in question just looks like an older mpex key somehow related to the various people who signed it.
1149098;1433098433;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 16:48:57; asciilifeform: the idea of phuctor is to detect duplicate privatekey material in use anywhere. the reuse of one particular divisor is only one possible scenario - it is also possible that a very ham-handedly sabotaged pgptron somewhere reuses a whole pair of factors - that is, two or more strangers may, somewhere, share an entire private key.
1149099;1433098726;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149080 << special interest politics, from gay to womens to minorities to what have you is fraud, run on ambition, high hopes and bad numbers. i am so shocked i think ima become a vegetarian nao.
1149100;1433098726;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 18:16:50; ben_vulpes: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html << merit washing plus "social science" leads to lulz in short order
1149101;1433099950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: again, signing a key - on ordinary gpg - does not throw your whole modulus in it
1149102;1433099959;asciilifeform;not on any pgptron i've ever used
1149103;1433099979;asciilifeform;but this might be configurable.
1149104;1433100440;decimation;asciilifeform: as an example, I have 131 'BASTARDS' between two accepts
1149105;1433100459;decimation;from multiple nodes
1149106;1433100691;mircea_popescu;yeah its weird
1149107;1433100755;decimation;http://dpaste.com/327TNG4 < dpaste of the debug.log between two 'ACCEPT' blocks
1149108;1433100832;decimation;I added the ip of the node that was passed when ProccesBlock was called
1149109;1433101493;asciilifeform;decimation: this is normal in my experience
1149110;1433101528;asciilifeform;(incidentally, a while ago i posted a patch that kills log rollover. might be of interest to some of you)
1149111;1433101548;asciilifeform;^ makes it possible to preserve debug output from zero to synced in its entirety
1149112;1433101620;asciilifeform;<mircea_popescu> yeah its weird << nothing weird about it. the sync mechanism is braindamaged more or less as far as it is even possible to be braindamaged.
1149113;1433101653;asciilifeform;and has no abort on the sending end
1149114;1433101673;asciilifeform;so when peer starts crapping out bastards, it won't stop until finished or disconnected
1149115;1433101688;asciilifeform;read the source (TM)
1149116;1433101784;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << there is already tracking of misbehaving nodes, can't that be plugged in?
1149117;1433101784;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 02:04:22; asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)
1149118;1433101813;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah I'm trying to crawl my way through it.  are these nodes actually hostile or do they just not have the full blockchain?
1149119;1433102144;decimation;jurov: there is definitely tracking of when a node was 'last heard'.  what misbehvior are you talking about?
1149120;1433102252;jurov;decimation: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?v=0.10.0&_string=misbehaving&!v=0.5.3.1
1149121;1433102312;jurov;"misbehaving peers"
1149122;1433102485;decimation;jurov: yeah it does seem that there is some tracking of orphan spamming nodes
1149123;1433102506;decimation;but I'm not sure if those checks actually are effective in the bastards case, gonna need to read more code
1149124;1433103106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86254 @ 0.00031667 = 27.3141 BTC [-] {2} 
1149125;1433104818;decimation;lol http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_cw1nNUYOXSAKwrq < apparently now there's a 'facebook' for economists to 'like' ideas or not
1149126;1433104878;decimation; Question A:
1149127;1433104878;decimation;If the US replaced its discretionary monetary policy regime with a gold standard, defining a "dollar" as a specific number of ounces of gold, the price-stability and employment outcomes would be better for the average American.
1149128;1433104878;decimation;William Nordhaus of Yale: '10 strong disagree'  This proposal makes no sense in the modern world. Just look at the Eurozone to see the consequences.
1149129;1433104906;decimation;Anil Kashyap of U. Chicago '10 strong disagree'  A gold standard regime would be a disaster for any large advanced economy. Love of the G.S. implies macroeconomic illiteracy.
1149130;1433104963;decimation;if you want to see academic 'tardation in its glory, this is the place to go
1149131;1433105337;williamdunne;Deflation is bad because why buy a sandwich today when you can buy two in 30 years
1149132;1433106471;decimation;heh
1149133;1433106827;*;Adlai plays devil's advocate; or rather, s/evil/avout/
1149134;1433106835;Adlai;if we're gonna have live trades, why not add paymium?
1149135;1433107077;jurov;heh. +1
1149136;1433107434;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.
1149137;1433107434;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 19:49:44; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << there is already tracking of misbehaving nodes, can't that be plugged in?
1149138;1433107466;asciilifeform;err, bastards
1149139;1433107588;asciilifeform;i have come to the conclusion that the -only possible- non-retarded solution to bastard blocks -when we can only adjust our end- is to throw them into the sun.
1149140;1433107594;asciilifeform;ditto for orphan tx
1149141;1433107614;asciilifeform;let's rewrite it as a maxim:
1149142;1433107621;asciilifeform;if it cannot be immediately validated, DON'T STORE IT!
1149143;1433107623;asciilifeform;not hard.
1149144;1433107625;asciilifeform;srsly
1149145;1433107653;asciilifeform;i don't even apprehend why this 'jam tomorrow' nonsense was even in there in the first place.
1149146;1433107654;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/threnody/
1149147;1433107714;jurov;premature optimization, i guess
1149148;1433107753;Adlai;premature hyberbitcoinization is the root of all bubbles
1149149;1433107914;asciilifeform;it was 'optimization' strictly in the sense that shitting into your pants is optimization over looking for toilet
1149150;1433107967;Adlai;it's ok, you start looking for a toilet after 750 nuggets
1149151;1433107974;Adlai;it's a compromise
1149152;1433107978;asciilifeform;!b 3
1149153;1433107978;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3WRZ0E9.txt )
1149154;1433108202;danielpbarron;!up on247
1149155;1433110266;williamdunne;jurov: Have you seen online.net? Its kinda like the server hosting thing you were looking at
1149156;1433110302;williamdunne;http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-scg2
1149157;1433111319;jurov;williamdunne: yes i knew about it. but, what do you think "victim of its own success" mean? :DDD
1149158;1433111475;midnightmagic;A 100% freshly-installed, default-settings online.net server in France was owned virtually immediately. Online.net support didn't answer the reinstall ticket for a month. If online.net has been successful, then success probably caused them to start sucking.
1149159;1433111571;midnightmagic;There also doesn't seem to be any ways to use keys without passwords, or set up new servers without email.
1149160;1433111723;williamdunne;jurov: Out of stock, too many people bought that cheap 6 euro dedicated server
1149161;1433111742;williamdunne;midnightmagic: To use keys?
1149162;1433111763;jurov;I personally got only an offer to share a rack with 4x100MBit(can be upgraded to giga) and 4xIPv4 for 500 euro/mo
1149163;1433111785;williamdunne;Yeah its definitely not a perfect in every way, but looks pretty good
1149164;1433111796;williamdunne;jurov: Wow, I can get you better than that. Thats pretty pathetic
1149165;1433111804;midnightmagic;williamdunne: We are forced to use a TLS channel to order product from them. We should be able to spin up a fresh server using that interface solely, and ssh keys entered via it.
1149166;1433111828;williamdunne;What sort of density can you achieve?
1149167;1433111851;williamdunne;i.e using the cheap blades how many servers can you fit per maybe 48us?
1149168;1433112103;williamdunne;midnightmagic: SSH would be preferable, but how important is it really?
1149169;1433112128;midnightmagic;Important enough when the alternative is an emailed rootpass. :(
1149170;1433112392;williamdunne;Can't you just change it as soon as you connect
1149171;1433112477;jurov;williamdunne: pwned immediately, see above
1149172;1433112800;midnightmagic;williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also, this is presuming the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering the physical drives are unavailable for examination.
1149173;1433112877;danielpbarron;!up shesek
1149174;1433112910;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/shesek/status/605005384026177537
1149175;1433112926;danielpbarron;>> At this time, I oppose increasing the block size limit as per Gavin's proposal.
1149176;1433113330;ben_vulpes;hola shesek
1149177;1433113404;danielpbarron;!up Lk4_DPB
1149178;1433113501;Lk4_DPB;danielpbarron: obliged
1149179;1433113548;danielpbarron;sure; who are you?
1149180;1433113616;ben_vulpes;!up Lk4_DPB
1149181;1433113643;Adlai;!s dpb from:ascii*
1149182;1433113644;assbot;0 results for 'dpb from:ascii*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dpb+from%3Aascii%2A
1149183;1433113648;ben_vulpes;what brings you by, Lk4_DPB ?
1149184;1433113652;Adlai;http://l1sp.org/cl/dpb
1149185;1433113712;BingoBoingo;Oh lololololol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1075590
1149186;1433113772;Lk4_DPB;i was at some event in milano and they talked about assets as a the place that knoews best about bitcoin adn that discovered a probem with rsa keys
1149187;1433113772;Adlai;the keys are fine, the servers are fucked
1149188;1433113776;Lk4_DPB;the servers accept any key is the problem?
1149189;1433113796;ben_vulpes;Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1124561
1149190;1433113796;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 01:17:36; ben_vulpes: look danielpbarron there's a function in common lisp named for you!
1149191;1433113806;Adlai;ben_vulpes: "aha"
1149192;1433113812;Adlai;s/"/'/g
1149193;1433113832;Adlai;Lk4_DPB: doubtful, it's more likely the dud keys were placed there intentionally
1149194;1433113852;Lk4_DPB;by dud or someone else?
1149195;1433113901;Adlai;"by dud"?
1149196;1433113926;Lk4_DPB;by the owner or someone else?
1149197;1433113987;Adlai;why would key owners distribute bad versions of their own keys?
1149198;1433114017;Adlai;although i guess it could be an experiment, and the experimenters wanted to only diddle their own keys, to minimize collateral damage
1149199;1433114049;Lk4_DPB;i would not know, perhaps it was not a smart question
1149200;1433114682;Adlai;there are no stupid questions, only stupid people
1149201;1433115059;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1149202;1433115064;gribble;Current Blocks: 358878 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1985 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 56719622139.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.18493
1149203;1433115112;mircea_popescu;somebody should write a better estimator sometime.
1149204;1433115144;midnightmagic;nanotube accepts patches pretty solicitously :)
1149205;1433115155;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1149206;1433115164;mircea_popescu;it's a complicated problem tho.
1149207;1433115186;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149112 << i was talking about the mixed moduli situation yo.
1149208;1433115186;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 19:47:00; asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> yeah its weird << nothing weird about it. the sync mechanism is braindamaged more or less as far as it is even possible to be braindamaged.
1149209;1433115225;mircea_popescu;as to the bastard situation, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148935
1149210;1433115225;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 12:11:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << i would like to see a patch which maintains VALUED list of other nodes.
1149211;1433115344;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149130 << notwithstanding that the dudes in question are probably illiterate, gold standard does in fact not work for a large array or reasons. this exercise is not unlike an attempt to deride qm on the grounds that the various twerps making money out of govt grants in physics academia could not explain it.
1149212;1433115344;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 20:42:43; decimation: if you want to see academic 'tardation in its glory, this is the place to go
1149213;1433115422;mircea_popescu;and gold standard != deflation for the record. not anymore than diarrhea = transpiration
1149214;1433115512;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136 << the latter point is correct, for now. but, much like us being here makes live marginally harder for now, yet the presence of punishment for idiots provides them an incentive to either get killed or get fixed, just so putting that in there pre-pogo provides an avenue for the network to purge itself of idiocy.
1149215;1433115512;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.
1149216;1433115714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which idiocy ?
1149217;1433115728;BingoBoingo;orphan shitters
1149218;1433115732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: our 0.5.3.xyz isn't any more clever on the transmitter end!
1149219;1433115737;mircea_popescu;in the case of the blockchain, the existence of nodes that pump out bad info.
1149220;1433115747;mircea_popescu;in the case of the world, the existence of people that pump out stupidity.
1149221;1433115750;asciilifeform;it is 'bad' from standpoint of node which doesn't have the antecedents, yes
1149222;1433115767;mircea_popescu;biology works in this manner alf.
1149223;1433115775;asciilifeform;but this reflects the lack of a reasonable 'gossip' mechanism - on both ends
1149224;1433115778;mircea_popescu;"it's bad from my pov so fuck you."
1149225;1433115786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149979 @ 0.00031638 = 47.4504 BTC [-] {3} 
1149226;1433115792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha but here there isn't a 'me' and 'you' yet
1149227;1433115802;mircea_popescu;not yet, no.
1149228;1433115803;asciilifeform;there would just be folks shooting selves in the feet
1149229;1433115807;mircea_popescu;yes.
1149230;1433115813;mircea_popescu;how else do you think me and you is born ?
1149231;1433115819;asciilifeform;once we have a reasonable 'embrace and extend' of sync mechanism - then yes
1149232;1433115824;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1149233;1433115838;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing "This by itself and right now"
1149234;1433115848;mircea_popescu;im not gavinue aendreaessaen
1149235;1433115864;mircea_popescu;or w/e you spell it.
1149236;1433115877;ben_vulpes;genuinely asinine
1149237;1433115887;mircea_popescu;that's a point.
1149238;1433115930;Adlai;!s gribble source
1149239;1433115931;assbot;898 results for 'gribble source' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gribble+source
1149240;1433115978;Adlai;!s patch gribble OR nanotube
1149241;1433115979;assbot;18385 results for 'patch gribble OR nanotube' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=patch+gribble+OR+nanotube
1149242;1433115984;Adlai;fuck
1149243;1433115992;mircea_popescu;what are you trying to do ?
1149244;1433116019;asciilifeform;anyway, for all who want, replace 'return true;' in 'if' block where begins with printf("ProcessBlock: BASTARD... with 'if (pfrom) pfrom->Misbehaving(whateverconstant)'
1149245;1433116028;Adlai;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149204
1149246;1433116028;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 23:32:24; midnightmagic: nanotube accepts patches pretty solicitously :)
1149247;1433116059;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149145 << you have to appreciate the situation at the time. not that many nodes alive or expected, and a certain desperation to "make it work".
1149248;1433116059;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 21:27:33; asciilifeform: i don't even apprehend why this 'jam tomorrow' nonsense was even in there in the first place.
1149249;1433116077;mircea_popescu;and someone coding in windows and without much of a clue about programming as a theoretical discipline.
1149250;1433116117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: granted, but 'don't let strangers throw ten pounds of shit each into your five-pound bag' is not higher mathematics ...?
1149251;1433116134;mircea_popescu;Adlai are you looking for his github ? same name.
1149252;1433116138;Adlai;nonsense, satoshi had every clue about proper code, but he didn't want to make it too easy
1149253;1433116144;Adlai;gotta leave something to work for
1149254;1433116166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at the time the 4096 ounce bag should have been enough for everyone.
1149255;1433116254;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/business/ << shit. my lyf ;/
1149256;1433116314;asciilifeform;l0l
1149257;1433116422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149172 << that is always and without exception the sign of a vps being sold as fake "dedicated"
1149258;1433116422;assbot;Logged on 31-05-2015 22:53:20; midnightmagic: williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also, this is presuming the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering the physical drives are unavailable for examination.
1149259;1433116475;Adlai;aha, the culprit is https://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate
1149260;1433116535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85500 @ 0.00032489 = 27.7781 BTC [+] {2} 
1149261;1433116535;asciilifeform;y'know, it isn't hard to test for all known types of virtualizer from inside
1149262;1433116535;asciilifeform;turdware artists do it sop.
1149263;1433116535;mircea_popescu;Adlai yes.
1149264;1433116535;mircea_popescu;you could have asked THAT , it's not uknown.
1149265;1433116567;*;Adlai found that in the gribble source, didn't realize it was just parotting a value from elsewhere
1149266;1433116657;mircea_popescu;bbl
1149267;1433116691;Adlai;https://github.com/lirazsiri/blockexplorer -> PHP 95.4% -> nope
1149268;1433116752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00032857 = 19.6321 BTC [+] {2} 
1149269;1433116752;ben_vulpes;rewriting the block explorer now, Adlai ?
1149270;1433116752;Adlai;nope. nope nope nope
1149271;1433116752;*;Adlai has already (defun-json-rpc bitcoind.rpc ..)